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Carlton railway station, Sydney

Carlton railway station is located on the Illawarra line, serving the Sydney suburb of Carlton. It is served by Sydney Trains T4 line services.

History
Carlton station opened in 1889 with two platforms. As part of the quadruplication of the Illawarra line, a second island platform was added in 1925. In January 2008, lifts were installed at the station.

It is the closest station to Jubilee Oval with NSW TrainLink services from Wollongong making extra stops during St George Illawarra Dragons games.

Transport links
Carlton railway station is served by two NightRide routes:
 * N10: Sutherland station to Town Hall station
 * N11: Cronulla station to Town Hall station

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Comedy in Bosnia and Herzegovina

Comedy has a long and rich tradition in Bosnia and Herzegovina, and its people have long been associated with humor in various forms. The humor is usually directed towards the different ethnic groups in the former Yugoslavia, and there are many racial slurs, but they are usually taken lightly.

Examples
During the 1980s and 1990s there was a series of popular comedy shows, most notably Audicija, and Top Lista Nadrealista. The shows, translated as Auditions and Top List of Surrealists featured early performances by many well known Bosnian, Croatian and Serbian actors and musicians. Both shows were re-incarnated to various degrees during the 1990s and onwards, with new casts and material.

Most "settings" would have a representative (if the sketch was racially orientated) from Serbia, Montenegro, Bosnia, and Hercegovina. This combination would cause calamity and comedy would begin creating itself.

The popular protagonists of many jokes in Bosnia are Mujo, Suljo and Fata (sometimes Mujo, Haso and Fata). Mujo and Haso have recently been brought to life, in a series of sketches based on some of the more popular jokes, widely available online and in video and DVD formats.

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dan Herman

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Dan Herman
Vanity/not notable. CDC  (talk)  23:33, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn vanity. --Etacar11 00:19, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable. DS1953 01:10, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable. Mr Bound 02:22, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. CV. Besides, presidents of Students Unions don't tend to be the one who actually are in charge of multi million dollar developments, they just happen to have been elected president when it was planned. Average Earthman 07:47, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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Talk:Rudolice

I'd moved the page into full name as Rudolice is name of about six villages in the Czech Republic and someone may create pages on them.

Ok ;)

I think that old panelak (flat) they built that local residents completely demolished might be worth mentioning.
 * Ah yes, the "Greenhouse". But too bad, it would be considered NPOV...--62.77.100.41 20:28, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David burnett

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David burnett
More vanity. CDC  (talk)  23:34, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Deus Ex 23:48, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete vanity, again. --Etacar11 00:11, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable. DS1953 01:11, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete: Some dude. Fails Geogre's Law. Geogre 01:58, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete vanity. JamesBurns 10:19, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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Allawah railway station

Allawah railway station is located on the Illawarra line, serving the Sydney suburb of Allawah. It is served by Sydney Trains T4 line services.

History
Allawah station opened on 25 October 1925 on the same date that the Illawarra line was duplicated. It consists of two island platforms with an overhead concourse and ticket office at the northern end. The original brick station buildings were demolished in the 1990s and replaced by lighter passenger shelters.

In 2001, the station was upgraded with the provision of passenger lifts and expanded shelters.

Transport links
U-Go Mobility operates one bus route via Allawah station, under contract to Transport for NSW:
 * 947: Kogarah station to Hurstville

Allawah railway station is served by two NightRide routes:
 * N10 Sutherland station to Town Hall station
 * N11 Cronulla station to Town Hall station

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Talk:M-112 (Michigan highway)

Comments
Was M-112 in the M~US highway numbering conventions like 131, 24, 25, etc used? --SuperDude 23:36, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Merge
See Talk:U.S. Route 112.

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Talk:Tal Brooke

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This article was listed for deletion; the result was to keep. See Votes for deletion/Tal Brooke for a record of the discussion. Postdlf 23:36, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Brooke's views on SSB
I do not think that Brooke's view on the guru Sathya Sai Baba, are still a source of controversy, so I removed that. Apart from that the paragraph was inaccurately worded. For example, I do not think that just "elements" of Brooke's story can be found on the websites of former followers of SSB. Most of Brooke's story is treated, if you take the time and effort to search it (and learn Dutch language). Andries 20:14, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I admit that Brooke's views are not widely shared among former followers of SSB, but to say that they are a point of controversy is incorrect in the case of former followers of SSB. Andries 20:17, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

One opinion on Brooke's book about SSB
Hi. I liked Tal. I was there for several of the incidents that Tal put in his book; his telling is melodramatic and overblown. In short. I do not think he is account is reliable.

For example, he doesn’t dwell on the fact he wrote a book announcing that Sathya Sai Baba was the Second coming. I am reliably informed that he sent it to Calcutta to be published before completely changing his mind. Many of the incidents in the book happened before he wrote the book praising Sathya Sai Baba.

On the other hand, I am no longer a disciple of Sathya Sai Baba. I'll not put my name but anyone who was there will guess who I am. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.146.108.251 (talk) 08:54, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lisa Dawn Schneider

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Lisa Dawn Schneider
Not notable. CDC  (talk)  23:36, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn vanity. --Etacar11 00:22, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, notability not established. Mr Bound 02:22, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Borderline Keep. She is just a special columnist, but for widely-known CNN. Marginally notable; doesn't appear to be vanity. — RJH 16:05, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and expand. Borderline notable. JamesBurns 05:32, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Notability is extremely borderline at best, and there are no sources so the article is unverified.  (The CNN link simply goes to CNN's main page.)  If the only thing that can be said about her is that she is a special columnist for CNN, that's not notable enough. Quale 23:19, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * keep, special columnist at CNN is plenty notable enough for an unlimited encyclopedia. Kappa 22:39, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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Siege of Negoro-ji

The Siege of Negoro-ji (根来寺の戦い) was commanded by Toyotomi Hideyoshi, a former vassal of Oda Nobunaga, who came to inherit his armies, his land, and his rivalry with the warrior monks of Japan when Nobunaga was killed in 1582. Thus, in a way this was the next in a series of many sieges that Oda Nobunaga's forces undertook in the 1580s, against the many fortresses of warrior monks.

The Negoro-gumi, the warrior monks of Negoro-ji, were quite skilled in the use of firearms, and were devout followers of Shingi, a branch of the Shingon sect of Buddhism. They were allied with the Ikkō-ikki, and with Tokugawa Ieyasu, one of Toyotomi's chief rivals. In particular, they attracted Hideyoshi's ire for their support of Tokugawa in the Battle of Komaki and Nagakute the previous year.

After attacking a number of other warrior monk outposts in the area, Hideyoshi's force turned to the Negoro-ji, attacking it from two sides. By this time, many of the Negoro-gumi had already fled to Ōta Castle, home of the Saiga Ikki; the numbers present during the siege are unclear. The complex was set aflame, beginning with the residences of the priests, and Hideyoshi's samurai cut down monks as they escaped the blazing buildings.

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Rockdale railway station

Rockdale railway station is a heritage-listed railway station located on the Illawarra line, serving the Sydney suburb of Rockdale in Bayside Council. It is served by Sydney Trains T4 line services. It was added to the New South Wales State Heritage Register on 2 April 1999.

History
Rockdale station opened on 15 October 1884 on the same date as the Illawarra line from Redfern to Hurstville with two side platforms. At the opening of Rockdale Railway Station, a goods shed and siding was provided on the eastern side.

Rockdale station is unusual in that it initially provided a rail connection for coal transfer and passengers for Saywell's Private Tramway. This was originally a steam powered tramway operation, which began running from Rockdale to Brighton on Botany Bay from 1885. In 1887 another tramway service from Rockdale to Sans Souci began operation. In 1899 Thomas Saywell converted his steam trams to electricity. In 1937 the tram service from Rockdale to Sans Souci was replaced by a trolley bus service, and the tramway to Brighton closed in 1938. In the latter years of the tramway's operation, the rail connection was also used for the transfer of Departmental rolling stock to the tramways in the area.

In 1907, the northbound platform was converted to an island with a new southbound track. The former southbound track (current Platform 4) became the northbound track, with the former southbound platform (current Platform 3) becoming a refuge siding.

In 1908, Platform 3 was converted to an island platform and an additional track laid along its western face. Rockdale now had four platform numbers. In 1923, a terminus platform (current Platform 1) was erected, when the Illawarra line was quadruplicated from Wolli Creek and the level crossing at Frederick Street was replaced by a bridge.

During the 1920s a siding for the State Meat Depot was added to Rockdale Railway Station, as was the Municipal Council's siding in 1923. In 1928 a siding was added for the small companies of Carroll Lynn and finally the Warne Family Company.

In 1920 a steel footbridge from the Maitland District was re-erected, followed in 1922 by the timber overhead booking office. In 1923 quadruplication of the line was undertaken, and new platforms added for the quadruplication. The original signal box was built on the north end of Platform 2-3 but in 1923 was replaced by the present (disused) brick elevated box on the western side of the line, east of the T junction of Railway Street and Oakura Street. Also in 1923 a new Platform No. 1 with brick waiting shed was built along with another siding, both having "dead-end" sidings for carriage storage. In 1926 the lines were electrified, and the tramway link was disconnected in 1938.

There were only relatively minor changes until abolition of the goods yard in 1979.

In February 1993 Rockdale Signal Box was abolished. Its frame consisted of a combination of pistol grip and large mechanical levers, the last example in New South Wales.

In February 2003 alterations to the station to install lifts, new access stairs and additional platform and stair canopies, and canopies to the overhead footbridge and station entrance areas were complete.

The 1925 power signal box and dead-end sidings and remains of structures relating to goods sidings and tram rolling stock, are no longer extant.

Transport links
Transit Systems operates nine bus routes via Rockdale station, under contract to Transport for NSW:
 * 420: Westfield Burwood to Mascot Station via Sydney Airport
 * 422: to Railway Square
 * 473: to Campsie
 * 476: to Dolls Point (Loop Service)
 * 477: to Westfield Miranda via Sans Souci
 * 478: to Westfield Miranda via Monterey
 * 479: Rockdale Plaza to Brighton
 * 492: to Drummoyne
 * 493: to Roselands Shopping Centre

U-Go Mobility operates two bus routes via Rockdale station, under contract to Transport for NSW:
 * 452: to Beverly Hills station via Bexley & Hurstville
 * 453: to Percival Street, Bexley

Rockdale station is served by three NightRide routes:
 * N10: Sutherland station to Town Hall station
 * N11: Cronulla station to Town Hall station
 * N20: Riverwood station to Town Hall station

Description
The heritage-listed station precinct includes the Platform 1 building (1925), the Platform 2/3 building (1908), the Platform 4/5 building (1884), the overhead booking office (1922), the footbridge (1920), the platforms and the Signal Box (1923).

Rockdale Railway Station is located between Railway Street on the west and Geeves Avenue on the east and is accessed from both streets via a footbridge, stairs and modern lifts. The station has three island platforms. Along both Railway Street and Geeves Avenue adjacent to the station are extensive bus shelters. Adjacent and to the south of the western entry to the station (off Railway Street) is a distinctive 2-storey brick Inter-War Functionalist style retail building.

A small brick platform building with an unpainted brick wall on the main west elevation, and painted brickwork on the other elevations. The building is built to the platform edge on the east side. The building has a gabled corrugated steel roof, with gable ends to north and south, and a cantilevered awning on the west side only. The awning is on steel brackets mounted on stucco brackets and features timber valences at each end. The building features rectangular timber louvred vents to the gable ends. There are three timber framed double hung windows covered over on the east elevation. The building's west elevation features stucco mouldings, and timber double doors with glazed upper panels. An old telephone is mounted on the west elevation, below the awning.
 * Platform 1 Building (1925)

The island platform building is a painted brick building with a gabled corrugated steel roof, with gable ends at north and south ends. There are no extant chimneys. The building has cantilevered awnings on east and west sides mounted on steel brackets in turn mounted on stucco wall brackets. The building has timber framed double hung windows with 16-pane top sashes with multicoloured glazing and timber 4 panel doors. There are moulded stucco sills to windows. The awnings have timber valances at north and south ends. There is one 8-paned fanlight above a timber 4 panel door which appears original.
 * Platform 2/3 Building (1908)

The interior features timber tongue and grooved, and later gyprock ceilings, and a chimney breast to one room.

The island Platform 4/5 building has painted brick walls. The building has a complex gabled corrugated steel clad roof form with two central gables, gables at north and south ends, and pairs of gablets near the north and south ends. There are no extant chimneys. The building features arched openings; one pair of original timber panelled double doors; narrow, tall, timber framed double hung windows and timber 4-panel doors with most fanlights covered over. The building features painted sandstone sills to windows. Both east and west sides of the building have skillion corrugated steel roofed awnings on cast iron posts with cast iron friezes and brackets.
 * Platform 4/5 Building (1884)

At the northern end of the platform is a separate small painted brick detached wing with a gabled roof (with the roof ridge in a transverse direction to the main roof ridge of the platform building), with gable ends to east and west. The roof is corrugated steel. The building features timber framed double hung windows. There is a modern awning structure wrapping around the north and west sides of the building. The asphalt platform surface is raised from the original height and partially covers some building vents. There are modern steel security screens to windows and doors.
 * Detached Building on Platform 4/5

The Station Managers' office in the Platform 4/5 building (which appears to be converted from a waiting room) has an original fanlight with two vertical glazing bars, an original plaster ceiling with plaster ceiling rose, and an original chimney breast (though no fireplace).

A weatherboard building with a hipped corrugated steel roof with a large gable facing Platform 2/3 to the north. The building features, timber framed double hung windows with 9 paned top sashes featuring multicoloured glazing. A modern awning cuts across the top of the top sashes of the windows on the north side of the building.
 * Overhead Booking Office (1922)

Steel, two sets of taper-haunched girders, one set for street access, the other for platform interchange. The footbridge is located towards the southern end of the platforms. The steel footbridge structure, steps, step railings and posts with star pattern detail, are original, manufactured by Dorman Long & Co., however modern railings have been added to the footbridge. The footbridge supports the weatherboard overhead booking office (1920), and modern corrugated steel clad entry buildings and lifts have been constructed at east and west ends.
 * Footbridge (1920)

Three island platforms, all with asphalt surfaces and brick faces. Platform 1 abuts the rail tracks on the east side, and has white powder coated aluminium fencing preventing access on the east side.
 * Platforms (1884-1925)

Various modern platform canopies with steel posts with concrete bases and green corrugated Colorbond gabled roofs. Platform 2/3: A platform canopy structure leads from the platform entry stairs at the southern end of the platform to the platform building. There is also a platform canopy north of the platform building. Platform 4/5: A platform canopy leads from the platform entry stairs at the southern end to the main platform building. There is also a platform canopy wrapping around the north and west sides of the separate small building at the northern end of the platform.
 * Platform Canopies (2005)

Two storey signal box with brick ground floor and fibro walls to 1st floor, hipped corrugated steel roof. Windows are timber-framed. Two metal stairs give access to a deck along the west elevation.
 * Signal Box (1923)

Shrub and tree plantings at northern end of platforms.
 * Landscape/Natural Features

Old telephone attached to west wall of Platform 1 building.
 * Moveable Items

Condition
The buildings on platforms 1, 2/3 and 4/5, the overhead booking office, the platforms and the 1920 footbridge have been reported to be in good condition, while the signal box is in moderate condition.

The platform buildings are relatively intact externally. Original internal features are extant to Platform 2/3 and 4/5 buildings. The overhead booking office is one of the more intact such structures on the Illawarra line.

Heritage listing
Rockdale Railway Station – including Platforms 1-5 and all platform buildings, footbridge, overhead booking office and signal box – is of State heritage significance. The collection of station structures at Rockdale is considered to be of State significance as a very intact collection dating from 1887, including one of the most intact of five extant 1887 3rd class brick platform buildings on the Illawarra line (Platform 4/5 building) and a rare platform building built for a tramway.

Rockdale Railway Station is of historical significance as an important station on the Illawarra line developed from 1884 as a major transport hub to the Rockdale area. The development of the station has included the construction of Platform 1 to service trams (which ceased operation in 1938). The Platform 1 building and platform are of historical significance as structures which demonstrate the role of Rockdale Railway Station from 1885 to 1938 in connecting trains with steam (and later electric) trams.

The 1884 Platform 4/5 building is of historical significance as one of only five extant 3rd class platform buildings on the Illawarra Line. The platform buildings, overhead booking office, footbridge and stairs and signal box are of aesthetic significance as good representative examples of railway architecture and railway structures of their respective periods. The 1925 Platform 1 building, built to connect to a tram service, is very rare.

Rockdale railway station was listed on the New South Wales State Heritage Register on 2 April 1999 having satisfied the following criteria.

The place is important in demonstrating the course, or pattern, of cultural or natural history in New South Wales.

Rockdale Railway Station is of State historical significance as an important station on the Illawarra line developed from 1884, which demonstrates its development over time from 1884 to the present. The development of the station has included the construction of a platform and platform building on Platform 1 to service trams (which ceased operation in 1938). The Platform 1 building and platform are of historical significance as structures which demonstrate the role of Rockdale Railway Station from 1885 to 1938 in connecting trains with steam (and later electric) trams. The 1884 Platform 4/5 building is of historical significance as one of a few 3rd class station buildings on the Illawarra Line (other examples at St Peters and Sydenham). The Platform 1 building and platform are of historical significance as structures which demonstrate the role of Rockdale Railway Station from 1885 to 1938 in connecting trains with steam (and later electric) trams. The station as a whole is of historical significance for its role as a major transport hub for the Rockdale region since 1884.

The place is important in demonstrating aesthetic characteristics and/or a high degree of creative or technical achievement in New South Wales.

The platform buildings are of aesthetic significance as good examples of railway architecture of their respective types and periods. The 1884 3rd class Platform 4/5 building with separate toilet block is a fine example of late Victorian railway architecture with some Victorian Rustic Gothic and Victorian Filigree style influences, including an elaborate gabled roof form and awnings on elaborate cast iron posts. The 1908 Platform 2/3 building, and the 1925 Platform 1 buildings are fine representative examples of brick platform buildings from the early decades of the 20th century with Federation Queen Anne and Victorian Italianate style influences, and typical features of this type of railway structure such as simple gabled roofs and cantilevered awnings.

The place has strong or special association with a particular community or cultural group in New South Wales for social, cultural or spiritual reasons.

The place has the potential to contribute to the local community's sense of place, and can provide a connection to the local community's past.

The place possesses uncommon, rare or endangered aspects of the cultural or natural history of New South Wales.

The 1884 Platform 4/5 3rd class building is rare, being one of five examples on the Illawarra line (other examples at Carlton, St Peters, Sydenham and Wollongong railway stations). The Platform 1 building, built for a tram service, is a rare feature of this locality (only other example on the Illawarra line of a tramway building associated with a railway station is at Sutherland railway station).

The place is important in demonstrating the principal characteristics of a class of cultural or natural places/environments in New South Wales.

The platform buildings as a whole, the overhead booking office and footbridge, and signal box are representative of standard railway station buildings and structures of their respective types and periods.

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Highwire

Highwire may refer to:

 * Highwire (protein)
 * "Highwire" (song), by the Rolling Stones (1991)
 * "Highwire", a song by Gin Blossoms on their 1996 album Congratulations I'm Sorry
 * "Highwired", a song by Nebula on their 2022 album Transmission from Mothership Earth

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Talk:American-born confused desi

derogatory?
I doubt the use of derogatory in the description. I have many Indian friends who use the term ABCD without any derogatory intention. The terms is very similar to ABC for American Born Chinese. I also know may Chinese friends who call themselves ABC. Kowloonese 23:43, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

While it is used to be derogative on occasion, most of the time I hear it used in a friendly manner; I could abide by 'derogatory', but agree with the edit. shuri 30 June 2005 20:45 (UTC)

History deletion
Some text that was previously added to the article that was incorrect and possibly libelous. It had already been removed a few months ago, but I've now those revisions from the history on the request of the person who was mentioned in the article. The only changes deleted that remain in the current article were by and are shown in this diff (with the exception of the addition of the category). No other significant edits were affected by the removal of these revisions. Angela. 11:16, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

object to merge
This article has more do with social issues for not just Indian Americans.--Dangerous-Boy 01:14, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

 * I dont foresee this article growing more than what it is at present. With slight changes this will perfectly fit into Indian American as a section. If you link at what links here you only see Indian related articles only. So none of the other relevant parties seems to be concerned about it --Vyzasatya 06:30, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

nit pick
Why would a so-called 'abcd' have a house in Jersey ? I must be missing something. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 219.77.91.41 (talk) 05:13, 22 December 2006 (UTC).

It is a play on the fact that New Jersey is home to a significant Indian American population Akubhai 17:13, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Poorly Written
The article has too many problems. Too many POV- and unsourced statements. What is the history of the term? All those goofy statements about why American born people of Indian heritage might be confused need to go. (From my perspective, although I haven't looked for sources for this, it is more likely that the Indian-born American immigrants feel the "confusion" and then project it on the American-born "cousins.") Fowler&fowler  «Talk»  15:49, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Its not notable outside a couple diaspora films, which liberally use the term to describe "ABCD" in contrast to FOB. Baka man  23:03, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Not to mention, the article contains a lot of original research. I don't think it merits having its own article (unless it can be written WAY better?); it should be merged with Indian Americans. --vi5in[talk] 17:31, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll put up a template stating this. -- vi5in [talk] 17:37, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Merge
Here are my reasons:

 * The article is poorly written (a lot of POV, Original Research, and plain goofy statements). If it can be rewritten, it may be good enough for an article by itself.
 * It's not notable outside the south-asian community in the United States. Like someone mentioned before, the term is liberally used in diaspora films but outside of that, it is virtually unknown. So I don't know if that makes it notable enough.
 * I think it would make more sense to have this article as a subsection of South Asian American since it definitely describes a subset of the same.

These are just my reasons. -- vi5in [talk] 17:42, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

 * I second the "merge" idea. A short paragraph about ABCD could be added to a "Trivia" section in South Asian Americans.   Fowler&fowler  «Talk»  19:29, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

 * I support a merge, as perhaps a "portrayal in media/self-portrayal" section. No need to repeat what vivin and fowler have already said in terms of rationale. Baka man  22:24, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

 * I support the merge as well. Vivin has sufficietly dealt with the reasons. ABCD seems too trivial to exist on its own. GizzaChat  © 23:37, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

 * I have added a paragraph to the "Identity" section in South Asian American, which describes the term ABCD. -- vi5in [talk] 16:29, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Since this article has been merged with South Asian American, I'm going to put this up for deletion. I'm going to redirect this to the same. I hope there are no objections. -- vi5in [talk] 15:20, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Revert Merge, reasons
I have just undone the merge and restored the original article. Ghis is because ABCD is not used to describe a social group, it is a term used in a derogatory and judgemental way and to a. Describe the social and cultural norm of a group of people, ie 2nd generation (or later) Indians and to descrie a way of life. b. That this way of life is different from a depicted parent (Sub-continental) culture and a different destination culture (western society). c. That the individual may ascertain his Cultural heritage when in a western society, but ascertain his amalgamtion when in presence of those from the prent culture or society. d. They may and do feel judged, and attenuate their behaviour accordingy, and this shapes a new cultulre. See and  for reference.

 * No access to the source? -- vi5in [talk] 02:49, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

generalizations
"Most modern day "American Born" Indians have very strong ties to India."

I think this is a massive generalization that does not hold true for many of my friends. The ABCDs I know are North Americans who happen to be brown and get pissed when guys ask if they wear saris.

Also, Canada exists. Sevenlies 14:15, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

"ABCD", 1999 Movie
There is a 1999 movie called ABCD (at imdb.com). Plot summary: "The only goal of an ageing Asian-American widow is to see her son and rebellious daughter (described as an American Born Confused Deshi or ABCD) married off to respectable Indian families." IMDB calls it a drama but it also had some funny moments. For a VERY low budget ($200,000) film, it was very good. I suppose it would help to explain ABCD in an entertaining way so I think it might be useful to include it in the main article somewhere. Also, a movie named "ABCD" gives a sort of cultural validation to the term. (The film was NOT a blockbuster, so the opposite argument could also be used: ABCD was a title devoid of cultural meaning that no one could relate to which is why the movie bombed at the box office.) 130.132.24.95 (talk) 05:28, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * In October 2012 someone created a Wikipedia article for this film at ABCD: American-Born Confused Desi. --Marc Kupper|talk 06:40, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The current article says:
 * "The term American-Born Confused Desi first appeared in the movie American Desi (2001)."

 * Since "ABCD" was released in 1999, that cannot be accurate. The term must have been in use prior to release of the earlier movie, otherwise they would have had to spell it out in the original title. www.abcd-themovie.com/press.html 162.205.5.130 (talk) 00:10, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

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82.132.139.14 (talk) 17:23, 15 March 2010 (UTC)I lost my 1930s original (?) book of Bircher Benner muesli easy recipes years ago but as I recall the fresh fruit had to be seasonal and whole; ie every bit of the apple was to be eaten 82.132.139.14 (talk) 17:23, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Pronunciation
OED draft revision gives m(j)uːzli for the British pronunciation, or U.S. mjuːzli. The yodless pronunciation is certainly very common in the UK. Will edit appropriately. --Che Gannarelli (talk) 14:02, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I've simply gone for '(j)'. I felt it unimportant to explicitly state that the yod is always pronounced in the U.S. No objection if anyone changes this, though. --Che Gannarelli (talk) 14:05, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Somebody has changed final /i/ to /iː/. This is incorrect, as explained here. Fixed.--Che Gannarelli (talk) 20:11, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Removal of "Customised Muesli" section
I have removed this seciton. Here is the explanation. First, the inclusion of a lengthy section on "customized" muesli is out of proportion with the significance of the concept. The proportion of "customized muesli" to overall muesli consumption is surely miniscule, and the significance of the listed companies' services to the essential subject of the article is minimal at best.

Second, the section read like advertising copy: the frequent (unsupported) claims that the companies' products are healthier than pre-packaged muesli, the assertion that "[t]he best taste of customised muesli is achieved if mixed with milk or plain yogurt", etc.

For what it's worth, I would have thought that somebody wanting "customized" muesli could mix it up himself (how hard can it be?) rather than ordering breakfast cereal by courier. --anonymous cereal guy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.109.160.198 (talk) 17:51, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Making hot as oatmeal/porridge vs cold steeping overnight
I noticed from trying this, that it's like pouring cold milk on uncooked raw rolled oats or other porridge grains without 'cooking'/steeping with boiling or hot water. It seems that using either hot water/milk or cold steeping would be healthier and more palatable. B137 (talk) 23:44, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Edit Warring
I'm gonna invoke 3RR and suggest that one user in particular stop silently reverting the constructive edit on the main advocates of Muesli. If this user has beef, he must state it clearly in Talk. There's absolutely no reason for the non-inclusion of this section Ieu1ogy (talk) 22:42, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Removal of toasted
Can editor ZH8000 please explain why he is repeatedly erasing "toasted" from this article because of WP:SOAP. The link is to a very long policy so please explain how it applies to the edits you made to remove basic information that oats are toasted? Not all muesli is packaged. Muesli is made in the home by first toasting oats... why does WP:SOAP allow for removal of such basic facts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nemo230 (talk • contribs) 21:25, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * What exactly do you mean by "toasted"? Here in Australia, toasted muesli is what Americans (to the best of my knowledge) would call granola, and home-made muesli uses rolled oats without any further cooking. Meticulo (talk) 15:21, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

 * Agreed, and the oats don't have to be soaked. Kdammers (talk) 15:53, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Refining edits
Hi. I've rewritten some of my recent edits after you deleted them. Please have a look at the article and see what you think. (I decided to try the bold, refine method rather than the BRD cycle). Some points: Thanks, Meticulo (talk) 13:50, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Modern variants: I've created a seperate subsection and rewritten this material in an effort to spell out what's happening - that cafes in English-speaking countries have a dish called 'bircher muesli' on their menus but it's not the original recipe.
 * Cultural connotations: I agree with your edit summary that such details don't necessarily belong in the history section. (Any chance you could add something to this section? Perhaps citing sources with perspectives from the homeland of muesli, and elsewhere in continental Europe, so the section is not entirely anglophone and derogatory.)
 * Templates for 'Fresh' and 'Prepackaged' sections: I'm not planning to delete anything from these, just thought I'd signpost them. Also, I've added a passage about home cooks premixing dry ingredients, which is also without citations but perhaps needed for clarification if the section is to stand. I'm happy for you to delete this, and may do so myself if I can't find sources.

"Museli"
I seem to be getting into an edit dispute with User:Johnbod. He has inserted "often in English museli" into the article, citing websites that spell the word as "museli". I, on the other hand, don't think this is a spelling variation, but simply a typographical error. One of the websites Johnbod cites isn't even consistent in the spelling, it uses "museli" first but "muesli" later. I would like this matter to be settled. Is "museli" really a spelling variation or just a typographical error? J I P | Talk 00:20, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I believe it's a spelling mistake, in some cases a typo and possibly in others spelled deliberately that way, but incorrectly. I looked at various dictionaries and 'museli' isn't mentioned in any of them as a legitimate variant spelling of 'muesli'. In other words it is just incorrect (according to current thinking) and therefore it should not be mentioned on the page in my opinion. Dubmill (talk) 00:56, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

 * My view is clear; it is easy to find "museli" spellings. In English, usage is king, and when enough uses are found it can't be dismissed as a typo. As JIP has admitted, the "Muesli" spelling is not comfortable in English, and does not seem to reflect the pronunciation. Dictionaries are notoriously slow to update in such matters. Johnbod (talk) 03:39, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Dictionaries may be slow to update but they should still be respected. While it may be easy to find instances of this spelling mistake if you go looking for it, that doesn't mean it's a widespread usage that's about to enter the dictionary. For what it's worth, I'd never seen it spelled 'museli' until yesterday, which leads me to believe that it is spelled 'muesli' in the vast majority of cases. I think it is misleading to suggest that it is routinely or commonly spelled 'museli' in English. Also, there are other ways it could be and is spelled wrongly, so are you going to mention that it is sometimes spelled 'meusli' in English? Dubmill (talk) 13:18, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It's not a word one often sees spelled at all, outside a supermarket (or I suppose recipe book, but not in my case). I've never knowingly seen 'meusli'  (nor for that matter the various continental spellings in the article). Johnbod (talk) 14:50, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I, on the other hand, have usually seen it spelled "mysli" or "müsli". I suppose "muesli" is the accepted spelling in English though. J I P  | Talk 15:02, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I've never seen 'meusli' before either, but I thought I'd search for it, and in fact there are websites (as with 'museli', mainly blogs and cookery or food interest websites) where that spelling is occasionally used. I've certainly never seen anything other than 'muesli' on British food product packaging, and I eat various mass-produced versions of the food a lot so I would notice. Muesli used to be, and maybe to a degree still is, popularly associated in Britain with a certain kind of person, and there are newspaper and magazine articles that mention it for this reason. Once again, I only recall 'muesli' being used. That's why I was surprised to see this issue cropping up yesterday. Dubmill (talk) 15:24, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * These variations are just spelling mistakes by illiterates. --Ef80 (talk) 09:23, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

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Legal Implications
In Germany, providing wireless networks has mostly legal implications, as the provider will be held responsible for any illegal activities of those connecting via a LAN into the Internet. If someone does not close his WiFi he will be held legally responsible if someone uses this open network for illegal activities, like illegal downloads, cyber war or cyber crime. |This way the German government protects the businesses providing network services, especially Deutsche Telekom. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.78.75.150 (talk) 10:10, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Translation
"free radio" is a bad translation. --Fmrauch (talk) 12:29, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Perhaps a literal translation would be "Free Spark", as a reminder that the first broadcasts apparently were done by means of series of electric sparks, using the Morse Code. 70.27.152.243 (talk) 18:47, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Funk is also short for Rundfunk, and that means radio and also broadcast. In German any kid of wireless transmission is called Funk (e.g. Radio, mobile phones are called Funktelephone, and also the now defunct analogue TV, as well as any kind of wireless data transfer e.g. WLAN)
 * Therefore I think "free broadcast" would be a better translation than "free radio" Rava77 (talk) 10:18, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Why are Freifunk IPs blocked from editing wikipedia?
When I use a Freifunk IP, after logging into Wikipedia and trying to edit a page, I get an error set up by user:Martin Urbanec - administrator, bureaucrat and checkuser of the Czech Wikipedia vice-chair, Wikimedia Czech Republic and Wikimedia Steward  claiming I am using an "open proxy". I presume an open proxy is not the same as a wireless community network as Freifunk is? If it helps, I could create a screenshot of the error window that pops up. --Rava77 (talk) 08:31, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

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Observation tower

An observation tower is a structure used to view events from a long distance and to create a full 360 degree range of vision to conduct long distance observations. Observation towers are usually at least 20 m tall and are made from stone, iron, and wood. Many modern towers are also used as TV towers, restaurants, or churches. The towers first appeared in the ancient world, as long ago as the Babylonian Empire.

Observation towers that are used as guard posts or observation posts over an extended period to overlook an area are commonly called watchtowers instead.

Construction and usage
Observation towers are an easily visible sight on the countryside, as they must rise over trees and other obstacles to ensure clear vision. Older control rooms have often been likened to medieval chambers. The heavy use of stone, iron, and wood in their construction helps to create this illusion. Modern towers frequently have observation decks or terraces with restaurants or on the roof of mountain stations of an aerial ropeway. Frequently observation towers are used also as location of radio services within the UHF/VHF range (FM sound broadcasting, TV, public rural broadcasting service, and portable radio service). In some cases this usage of the tower is at least as important as its use as an observation tower. Such towers are usually called TV towers or telecommunication towers. Many towers are also equipped with a tower restaurant and allow visitors access via elevators. Also common is the usage of water towers as observation towers. As in the case of TV towers the visitor will usually reach the observation deck by elevator, which is usually at a lower height above ground The typical height of the observation deck of water towers is 20 metres up to 50 metres, while the typical height of the platform of TV towers is from 80 metres up to 200 metres. Finally, some church towers may have observation decks, albeit often without an elevator. Many other buildings may have towers which allow for observation.

Dedicated observation towers

In particular prior to World War I rambler associations, and some municipalities, built observation towers on numerous summits. Usually these towers were built of stone, however sometimes wood or iron was also used. At nearly all these towers access to the observation deck, usually at a height of between 5 and 40 metres, is only possible by way of stairs. Most of these towers are used only for tourism, however some of these towers might also be used, at times of high forest fire risk, as fire observation posts or in times of war as military observation posts with anti-aircraft positions placed beside it. Further uses were not intended at most of these buildings, although some of these towers today now carry antennas for police/fire engine radios, portable radio or low power FM- and TV-transmitters. Older observation towers frequently have a flag pole at its top.

Some of these towers are permanently accessible, either free or with the payment of an admission fee. Others are accessible only at certain times, in most cases only with the payment of an admission fee. At these towers the platform is usually open, with some having a restaurant in the basement. There are also towers with a much more extensive use; for example. the observation tower on Rossberg mountains in Reutlingen contains a hotel within its structure.

Although most of these towers were initially built before World War I, such structures are still being built, in particular as attractions at horticultural shows. Modern observation towers are in most cases no longer built of brick, but concrete, steel and wood are used as the preferred building materials.

Permanent observation towers are also sometimes found in amusement parks, however in parks where each attraction is not separately paid for, panorama rides are preferred.

Watch towers

Watch towers are observation towers, on which persons supervise a larger area. Strictly speaking, control towers also fall into this category, although surveillance from these structures is mostly done in a non-optical way using Radar. Watch towers usually have a closed pulpit to protect the observer against bad weather. Watch towers do not have an elevator as a rule, since these buildings are mostly not higher than 20 metres. Active watch towers are not as a rule accessible to the public, since they usually serve for the monitoring of sensitive ranges. However watch towers can be quite ordered for forest fire monitoring a platform accessible for the public or be used during times without forest fire risk as observation towers. Shut down watch towers can however be easily converted to observation towers.

Radio towers
Also some radio towers were so built that they can be used apart from their function as transmitting tower also as observation tower. A condition for this is a sufficiently stable construction, which permits a permanent safe visitor entrance without interruption of the transmission services. This is the case for towers for radio services in the UHF/VHF-range the case, not however for most types of radio towers for long and medium wave, why a use of these structures as observation tower is impossible in most cases. That the use of a tower as radio tower for medium wave and observation tower not well fits, showed up in Radio Tower Berlin, which originally carried together with an 80 metres high mast a t-antenna for medium wave and stands on insulators. However one notices at the first experimental transmissions that at the tower voltages would arise, which would have unpleasant consequences for visitors and so the tower was grounded by the elevator shaft. However this shifted direction of main beam of transmitter away from actual supply area, the city of Berlin. As before World War II nearly whole radio traffic took place in the long -, medium and shortwave range, first after World War II with introduction of radio services in UHF/VHF-range required towers only acting as antenna carriers, radio towers with observation decks built. For this the closed reinforced concrete construction way was nearly always used. Radio towers with observation decks often serve for TV transmission or for radio relay link services and are called therefore usually TV tower or telecommunication tower. As a rule an elevator is available in these buildings for the visitors of the observation deck, as the observation deck lies usually very highly (mostly within the range between 50 and 200 metres, at some towers also more highly). Many of these towers have also a tower restaurant, which can be designed as revolving restaurant. While tower restaurants for the protection of the restaurant guests from the wind are in closed rooms, the prospect platform can be open or in a closed room. An open platform is more favourable for photographing, since no reflexes at the disk arise, while closed platforms are for many visitors more pleasant. Prospect outlooks on TV towers are opened only at certain times and their entrance is possible only under payment of an admission fee.

Highrise buildings
Space Needle at dusk 2011 - 02.jpg, an observation tower in Seattle, Washington

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Also numerous highrise buildings have observation decks, sometimes even a restaurant. The height of these platforms, which can be glassed or open-air depending on the height of the building, where they are most common on the topmost floor. As a rule access usually requires the payment of an admission fee, is possible by elevator only at dedicated opening times.

Water towers
Also numerous water towers have, a usually open-air observation deck opened for public traffic, whose height is mostly as the height of older observation towers in the height range between 10 and 50 metres. It can be reached depending upon tower by stairs or by an elevator. Some water towers have also a tower restaurant. Prospect platforms of water towers are nearly only accessible under payment during the opening times, which are different for each tower.

Church towers
Also some church towers possess observation decks. However elevators are only available in rare cases. The entrance of this platform is in contrast to the entrance of the church usually only possible under payment an admission fee at the opening times of the church. The height of the observation decks is usually in the range between 20 and 50 metres. The platform is nearly always open-air.

Lighthouses
Some lighthouses have an observation deck open to the public. Access is usually by stairs. An admission fee is often charged and hours may be limited. The observation deck of a lighthouse is usually between 10 and 50 metres high, and is almost always open air.

Sports facilities
Some sports facilities have high buildings with observation decks. This is often the case at ski jumps, as these have a tower and are usually unused in the summer. In addition, there are other sports facilities with observation decks, like the inclined tower of the Montreal Olympic stadium. Access to the platform of nearly all sports facilities with observation deck is only possible during opening times after paying an admission fee. Depending upon the building the access can be done by an elevator and/or a stairway. The platforms can be vitreous or open. The height above ground lies usually between 10 and 50 metres.

Fire lookout towers
Fire lookout towers have been used widely in Australia, Canada, and the United States to hoist fire lookout persons to heights where they can identify and report new wildfires. In the United States, there once were over 5,000 fire lookout towers.

Bird observation towers

Areas where birdlife congregates are often associated with bird observation towers to assist with viewing.

Hyperboloid structures
Hyperboloid structures have a hyperboloid shape that is usually lattice framework and an observation deck on top.

Other towers

There are also some very unusual observation towers, which fit not well into one of these categories. Examples for this are the Henninger Turm, a grain silo with tower restaurant and observation deck in Frankfurt, the bell tower of Berlin Olympic stadium, whose platform is accessible by an elevator, the winding tower of the mining industry museum in Bochum, which has an open-air observation deck to which an elevator runs or a wind turbine in Holtriem wind park, which is equipped with a closed platform accessible over stairs. Also aerial tramway support towers, which serve as observation tower (and aerial tramway station), were realized, like Torre Jaume I in Barcelona. Even on the pylons of suspension bridges were already observation decks installed, as the example of Nový Most in Bratislava shows. A very unusual observation tower is Pont basculant de la Seyne-sur-Mer. It was once a bascule bridge, now permanently put upright and used as observation tower.

Germany
In Germany, observation towers first appeared on the countryside at the end of the 18th century. These early towers were often built by wealthy aristocrats. It was not until the mid-19th century that citizens took control of the construction of such towers. In Austria and Switzerland many observation towers were established by alpine and tourist associations, and continue to be cared for by them. In the Waldigen Mountains, many citizen committees were active. Because of the long reign of emperor Franz Joseph, many observation decks carry the name "anniversary observation platform". The invention of the elevator in the late 19th century made taller observation decks possible. Most notably, the Eiffel Tower and the Blackpool Tower were built in this era. Radio towers developed as combined sending and observation tower between 1924 and 1926 in the city of Berlin. After World War II, a great need for tall observation towers arose, due to their dual usage as television and radio transmitters. In large cities, the desire existed to provide these towers with a tower restaurant and an observation deck, in order to make the building of towers more economical via admission fees and increased notability. Several water towers were also built with this in mind, but many have not survived to the modern day.

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List of archbishops of Gniezno and primates of Poland

This is a list of archbishops of the Archdiocese of Gniezno, who are simultaneously primates of Poland since 1418. They also served as interrex in the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth.

 * From 1821 until 1946 in personal union with the Archdiocese of Poznań.
 * From 1946 until 1992 in personal union with the Archdiocese of Warsaw.

List of archbishops
 * (999–after 1000) Radim Gaudentius
 * (before 1025? – 1027) Hipolit
 * 1027–1028 Bossuta Stefan
 * 1076? – 1092 Bogumił
 * ?  Heinrich von Wülzburg
 * (attested 1100–1112) Marcin
 * (attested 1136–1146/48) Jakub I ze Żnina
 * (1149–after 1167)	Jan Gryfita
 * (attested 1177–1180) Zdzisław I
 * (probably in 1180s.) Bogumilus
 * (attested from 1191 – died 1198/9) Piotr Łabędź
 * 1199–1219 Henryk Kietlicz
 * 1220–1232 Wincenty Niałek
 * 1232–1258 Fulko I
 * 1258–1271 Janusz Tarnowa
 * 1271–1278 vacant
 * 1278 Martin of Opava
 * 1278–1283 vacant
 * 1283–1314 Jakub Świnka
 * 1314–1316 vacant
 * 1316–1317 Borzysław I
 * 1317–1341 Janisław I
 * 1342–1374 Jarosław Bogoria
 * 1374–1382 Janusz Suchywilk
 * 1382–1388 Bodzęta z Kosowic
 * 1389–1394 Jan Kropidło
 * 1394–1401 Dobrogost z Nowego Dworu
 * 1402–1411 Mikołaj I Kurowski
 * 1412–1422 Mikołaj II Trąba (first primate of Poland since 1418)
 * 1423–1436 Wojciech I Jastrzębiec
 * 1437–1448 Wincenty II Kot
 * 1449–1453 Władysław I Oporowski
 * 1453–1464 Jan Odrowąż from Sprowa
 * 1464–1473 Jan III Gruszczyński
 * 1473–1480 Jakub III Siemieński
 * 1481–1493 Zbigniew Oleśnicki
 * 1493–1503 Fryderyk Jagiellończyk
 * 1503–1510 Andrzej I Boryszewski
 * 1510–1531 Jan IV Łaski
 * 1531–1535 Maciej I Drzewicki
 * 1535–1537 Andrzej II Krzycki
 * 1537–1540 Jan V Latalski
 * 1541–1545 Piotr III Gamrat
 * 1546–1559 Mikołaj III Dzierzgowski
 * 1559–1562 Jan Przerębski
 * 1562–1581 Jakub IV Uchański
 * 1581–1603 Stanisław I Karnkowski
 * 1604–1605 Jan VI Tarnowski
 * 1606–1608 Bernard Maciejowski
 * 1608–1615 Wojciech II Baranowski
 * 1616–1624 Wawrzyniec Gembicki.
 * 1624–1626 Henryk II Firlej
 * 1627–1638 Jan VII Wężyk
 * 1638–1641 Jan VIII Lipski
 * 1641–1652 Maciej II Łubieński
 * 1653–1658 Andrzej II Leszczyński
 * 1659–1666 Waclaw Leszczyński
 * 1666–1673 Mikołaj IV Prażmowski
 * 1673–1674 Kazimierz Florian Czartoryski
 * 1674–1677 Andrzej III Olszowski
 * 1677–1679 vacant
 * 1679–1685 Jan IX Stefan Wydźga
 * 1685–1688 vacant
 * 1688–1705 Michał Stefan Radziejowski
 * 1706–1721 Stanisław II Szembek
 * 1721–1723 vacant
 * 1723–1738 Teodor Andrzej Potocki
 * 1739–1748 Krzysztof Antoni Szembek
 * 1749–1759 Adam Ignacy Komorowski
 * 1759–1767 Władysław II Aleksander Łubieński
 * 1767–1777 Gabriel Podoski
 * 1777–1784 Antoni Kazimierz Ostrowski
 * 1785–1794 Michał II Jerzy Poniatowski
 * 1795–1801 Ignacy I Krasicki
 * 1801–1806 vacant
 * 1806–1818 Ignacy Raczyński
 * 1818–1821 vacant
 * 1821–1825 Tymoteusz Paweł Gorzeński
 * 1825–1828 vacant
 * 1828–1829 Teofil Cyprian Wolicki
 * 1829–1831 vacant
 * 1831–1842 Marcin II Sulgustowski–Dunin
 * 1842–1845 vacant
 * 1845–1865 Leon Michał Przyłuski
 * 1866–1886 Mieczysław Halka Ledóchowski
 * 1886–1890 Juliusz Józef Dinder
 * 1891–1906 Florian Stablewski
 * 1906–1914 vacant
 * 1914–1915 Edward Likowski
 * 1915–1926 Edmund Dalbor
 * 1926–1948 August Józef Hlond
 * 1948–1981 Stefan Wyszyński
 * 1981–1992 Józef Glemp (Primate of Poland until 18 December 2009)
 * 1992–2010 Henryk Muszyński (Primate of Poland from 18 December 2009)
 * 2010–2014 Józef Kowalczyk
 * 2014–present Wojciech Polak

Auxiliary bishops

 * 1469–1474 Anton Nicolai
 * 1509–? Mikołaj Mściwy
 * 1527–1541 Jan Busiński
 * 1541–1560 Sebastian Żydowski
 * 1608–1627 Andrzej Wilczyński
 * 1628–1638 Andrzej Gembicki, Appointed Bishop of Lutsk
 * 1640–1644 Jan Madaliński
 * 1644–1658 Adrian Grodecki
 * 1660–1665 Gaspar Trizenieski
 * 1667–1674 Jan Chrzciciel Bużeński
 * 1676–1693 Wojciech Stawowski
 * 1694–1700 Konstantyn Józef Zieliński, Appointed Archbishop of Lviv
 * 1699–1718 Stefan Antonin Mdzewski


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I suggest a removal of the defunct parties from this list. The current entries are not as important as others. Sarcelles 23:45, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * You are welcome to edit this list, but please keep the defunct parties in. They belong in an encyclopedia. Electionworld 06:27, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Tense of article
The tense of this article alternates between past and present tense...do they still exist? perhaps all of this should be phrased in the past tense. freestylefrappe 23:46, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * As far as I know it is unclear if they still exist; they were a secretive sect, and if they exist, presumably still are. Their existence is widely rumoured. Jayjg (talk)  16:43, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * there are many discussions (right now) in Turkey about their number, identity, hidden agenta etc, but these are considered to be conspiracy theories in the mainstream. since they have always been kind of secretive, there is not really much info about the current situation, but you can see in media now and then some people who identify themselves as donme. it is also widely believed among public that some prominent families are donme (at least in origin). so i think it is safe to say that they still exist, but i suspect they are still a group based on religion. i think there is really very little academic study on their current situation. Fethi 29 June 2005 04:47 (UTC)
 * In that case any content that is not specifically historical should be put in present tense form. I will make any appropriate changes. freestylefrappe June 29, 2005 19:53 (UTC)

There aren't that many and as the intercommunal marriage rule does not really apply anymore, they are mostly diluted and assimilated to an extent. My grandmother side comes from Theseloniki. Hence I am only a quarter dönme, plenty of people have maried out of the selanik circles within that branch of my family. Social status and or merit has gained priority over ethnicity in marital criteria, since as early as the 20s and 30s.

The conspiracy theories are pretty much baseless. Allthough most of the dönme are financially well off, the major cause of this is the wealth tax (varlik vergisi) of the 50s. Their influence pales in comparison to most muslim families. The most prominent and influential family are the Eczacıbaşıs, but I can neither confirm their origins to theseloniki nor to any other branch of sabethayism.

As duallity is hard to maintain, most dönmes are either deist or atheist and tend to stick to muslim tradition. Some have converted completely to islam, others to judaism. Both cases are rare. Most donmes I have met celebrate ramadan (though i have known none to fast) and kurban bayramı(with store bought meat:), but they wont keep shabath or celebrate passover, hanukkah, yom kiphur etc.. I have however witnessed many christmasses celebrated (on the 25th as opposed to new years) within my family. Because:

 * its fun and the food is nice
 * a great many have married christians
 * they are rich pretentious pricks.

either of the above.

Donmeh or Dönme ?
In Turkish, the correct term is dönme (which can also mean transsexual), why is this article titled Donmeh" ? --Pylambert 12:39, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe it's too late but for others I should add an infolog. "Dönme" literally means "turning" or "returning" it's used like these two or more ways, there is so many words like this in Turkish language, the word comes from "dönmek" verb, here you can see: https://translate.google.com/#tr/en/dönmek Karak1lc1k 03:11, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Sabbateans
I propose to change the article name to Sabbateans. Donmeh has a somewhat pejorative undertone, to put it mildly. The correct pronounciation would be "dönme" anyway, and the term is valid for anyone who changes religion, although it implies, in varying degrees depending the circomstances, disapproval of the act by those who use the term (more or less equal to "aposthate"). "Avdeti" is a neutral term in that sense, but is archaic today, very rarely used. Turks would use "Sabataycı" or "Sabetaycı". It's still not a compliment but defines the people in question better. And "Selanikli" (from Salonica) is misleading because not all Turks from Selanik are Sabbateans, although Sabbateans themselves would use that term more readily than others, if ever. Cretanforever 15 June 2006 (Name change proposal)

Cretanforever, to move Donmeh article to Sabbateans was a wrong action for several reasons. Please try to be more informed on subject and to discuss with people here before you decided for such a move. These terms have very different meanings; Sabbateans means any follower of Sabetai, esp. believers that believed in his Messiah claim, this includes the movement before his apostasy, thus the term Sabbatean movement etc., even after the mass conversion in Salonica in 1680s, still most believers remained within the Jewish fold. Donmeh or Donme, is a non-official turkish designation since early 18. century, only for the Muslim converts of his followers, more specifically the sect itself with particular beliefs, rituals etc. The recently coined Turkish term Sabetayci tries to replace the Donme but does not succeed because Sabetayci is used in Turkey to label living people as if they still believe in Sabetai Zevi or follow the rituals, wheras Donme means the community itself with origins in Salonica. I strongly suggest to move the article back to Donme.Argonit 22:14, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Worship Tzvi?
The Sabbateans worshipped Shabbosai Tzvi? Is there a source for that?--Meshulam 04:51, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

(moved from article)
Warning: this is a wierd and inaccurate article, which I do not have time to correct, but the notion of 'secret' Judaizing among the donmeh is a miscomception. They are perhaps better conceptualized as blending belief in Islam and in Shabbatai Tzvi with the use of a Jewish language and observance of the Jewish holidays according to the Jewish calendar, but each holiday recomeptualized as commemorating a date in the life of Shabbtai Tzvi, along with the Muslim holidays and shaaria. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dianamuir (talk • contribs) 18:37, 16 August 2006.

List of names-reason for deletion
Anyone a bit familiar with this subject and the current discussion in Turkey can see the absurdity of this list of names and surnames. This is an encyclopedia article and not a forum for allegations and claims. For most of these prominent people there is no evidence at all and even there is actually contrary evidence that they are not of Donmeh origin. Therefore I am deleting all the section until real evidence with reliable sources is supplied. The article should focus on their culture, history and beliefs. Argonit 09:31, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

I visited the talk page because the list struck me as allegational and many of the pages of 20th C. figures contain no documentation of this allegation. I see that it was addressed but reinstated without discussion, so I will delete it. If someone wishes to restore it, they should address Argonit's quibbles above —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.114.164.64 (talk) 23:26, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

About Gossip Links
Please put reliable links. Not gossips. Specially about Ataturk's ancestry.--Karcha 12:36, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Donmeh and Jews were  understandably  concerned about the nationally defined Greek state and its ambitions towards Salonika. They made up a surprisingly substantial portion of the Young Turk movement there. Of course there will be speculation about Salonikan Young Turks. Jd2718 03:34, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

A book that draws on sources like The Protocols of the Elders of Zion should not be linked to, either. Removed the link.--Ankimai 09:51, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Tags
I put in OR, reference and NPOV tags since the whole article seems to be standing on a bunch of gossip sites and a series of newspaper articles. Please bring in better and more impartial sources on this.. Baristarim 15:34, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

"Donmeh" and "Sabbateans" is NOT the same thing!
Please see the clarifications in this article that the Sabbateans were Jews who practiced only Judaism, but who either openly or secretly accepted Sabbatai Zevi as the one and only true Jewish Messiah. They were primarily a notable deviant Jewish sect for centuries after Zevi. On the other hand, the Donmeh, while in some ways being a branch-off of the original Sabbatians associated with some of Zevi's followers who converted to Islam with him or afterwards, were Muslims first and foremost and kept their hidden rituals of Judaic origin hidden and concealed which had no resemblence to normative Judaism. Very significantly, the majority of Jews who had followed Zevi did not convert to Islam even though they may have clung fervently to their belief in him as a (temporarily failed for some) Jewish Messiah. This is a crucial difference bteween the "conventional" Sabbateans and the "unconventional" Donmeh, and to lump the Donmeh with all Sabbateans is a gross error, a misuse of the term "Sabbateans" and an insult to Jewish history and accepted scholarship. This is a complex area of Jewish history that is prone to misunderstanding and needs to be approached with great caution. IZAK 06:28, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

 * I find it odd that Donmeh has a note across the top distinguishing between them and Sabbateans, but every paragraph of Donmeh (except the first) refers to them as "Sabbateans". After the first paragraph, the only other use of the word "Donmeh" is in the "External Links". — Malik Shabazz | Talk 00:14, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

What is Sabbateanism?
What did they believe? What were their tenets? Their Scriptures?

The article repeats over and over that everyone was shocked when their leader became Muslim--but it never discusses what he did before that conversion.

I suggest a more accurate title to the article would be "Post-Founder Sabbateanism" or "Persecution of Sabbateanism."

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Is Sabbateanism an Abrahamic Religion?
Talk: Table of prophets of Abrahamic religions, Wondering if it a sect, a movement, or a whole separate religion. Apha9 (talk) 22:26, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * That table is not important and not serious. Nobody is looking at that rather awkward table with any degree of seriousness. As for the Sabbatean sect, it was an illegitimate, hidden sect in Judaism for a while, after the alleged messiah converted to Islam. The parts of the sect that also converted to Islam following the example of the false "messiah,' were also officially Muslims. So the sect was a hidden, illegitimate sect in both Judaism and Islam. Enough of all this silliness because of an unimportant, unserious, awkward table that should rather be deleted. Thank you, warshy (¥¥) 02:40, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The table is important that is why there a Wikipedia page on it. You see this conversation as a WP:DEADHORSE, but insist on continuing to discuss this topic and hate on the table. Apha9 (talk) 19:56, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Nobody cares about that unimportant, rather silly table other than you. Sabbateanism in not an "Abrahamic religion." There aren't any reliable sources for your misinformed idea. This is a dead horse that only you keep insisting on beating. You were informed of all this multiple times by more than one editor. I will just keep reverting you until you desist. warshy (¥¥) 20:10, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree with everything has just said. Jayjg (talk) 20:18, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * " You were informed of all this multiple times by more than one editor."- warshy. The only two people to discuss this topic with me are you two. which are technically more than one. Apha9 (talk) 20:31, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You have been advised multiple times to desist from this whole misinformed silliness, for which there are no reliable sources. This is all just your own invention, out of whole cloth. Enough said. warshy (¥¥) 20:36, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * This is a topic for debate isn't that why you brought it back instead of archiving it? Apha9 (talk) 20:46, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , please review WP:NOTAFORUM. Jayjg (talk) 22:08, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

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There needs to be some kind of confirmation for these figures in this article, and it needs a complete rewrite from someone more familiar with the subject. --Scimitar 23:47, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'm going to rewrite this article very soon when I get the chance. There has been a few studies that have been released recently that show over 40% of Albertans support separation and this needs to be included. rasblue

Is one poll by a magazine and one statement (That was rediculed by many) by Ralph Klein really make Alberta Separtism a movement?Habsfannova 06:00, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Do a Google News Search. There is much chatter in the Canadian Media currently in regards to 40%+ of Albertans wanting to explore seperation from Canada.

Well, Mr. Baldwin, I personally think that another poll should be seen before we take the Western Standard too seriously on the matter. The question really was very vauge.Habsfannova 01:37, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm sure one is coming. That of course doesn't discount the fact that the Albertan Independance Movement is growing and not shrinking. rasblue

If a party has zero seats, I wouldn't call it one of Alberta's largest. Thes entinel 17:48, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

I rewrote this article, and probably wrote 75% more then existing content. Existing sections did not have full context. Hope my major rewrite is interesting. :-) User:Kermit7   —Preceding undated comment added 04:08, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

Also, I was very interested to see that this article was earlier voted for deletion. Do not delete! Alberta separatism is alive and well, and experiencing another resurgence (with the election of Trudeau junior). There are related ideas that could be expanded on. User:Kermit7  —Preceding undated comment added 13:28, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

Opening Paragraph
I have edited the comment in the opening paragraph which stated 'Alberta separatism advocates the secession of province of Alberta from Canada either by forming an independent nation, by creating a new federation with one or more of Canada's other four westernmost provinces, or by joining the United States.'

While there are numerous Alberta Separatist groups, I have not managed to find one single source that is seriously campaigning for Alberta become part of the United States. (Although I am sure there are some people out there, but no sources from Alberta that I could find.)

I have examined all of the links on this page, as well as the 'See Also' section.

None of the links or 'see also's provide ANY references or sources for such claims. Infact, most of the 'see also's have THIS page as a link. This includes 'The 51st State' which refers to Alberta, but redirects back to this page. The 'Annexationist Movements of Canada' has no references or sources. And the 'Republic of Alberta' clearly discusses an independant Alberta. Not American affiliation.

Also, my own personal opinions not withstanding, (I personally think there could be merit to an Independant Alberta) It should be noted that the Western Standard poll that is so frequently referenced, does not once mention affiliation with any other sovereign entity. And, it must be noted that the Western Standard is a decidedly Conservative publication. Also, the poll that was conducted by said publication, did not specify WHO the poll group was. Only that it was conducted by The Western Standard using 'random selection methods'. That could mean anything from picking 500 names out of a phone book, to contacting 100 subscribers of the Western Standard. The souce is exceptionally vauge on their pool of voters, and therefore, can hardly be considered a reliable source. SJM 3 April, 2007

I have yet again deleted the 'Or by joining the United States' segment of the opening paragraph (for the third time). If you wish to include this in the opening paragraph, show a citation that supports this claim. SJM 7 November, 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by RainnIceberg (talk • contribs) 08:37, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

I deleted the US words in first sentence. Keep it deleted please, re first paragraph. In 2018, Alberta "separatists" are not wishing to join the US, they generally see US as competitor (as does Canada). They are also very vague on being separatist, as most truly just want to reform the Equalization distribution. They want a better deal for Alberta, and "if you won't give it to me, let's discuss separatism." ~ User:Kermit7

History
Further history on Western Alienation is needed. Historically this dates back too when Alberta was still part of the Northwest Territories. Kc4 04:58, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I added in a section for 1970s to give better context. But truly, Alberta was talking separatism as early as the 1950s. (not sure about how it dates back to being part of NWT) ~ User:Kermit7

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45.2.193.160 (talk) 23:39, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

The article needs serious work on its neutrality
I understand that a lot of work has gone into making this article, and the main reason why I do not fix it myself is because I want to give the authors the chance to rework some sections into good content, and I feel I might be too heavy handed in deleting non-neutral content. The last thing I want is to start an edit war, but I'll gladly help if help is needed. (Ping me, as I might be occupied with other things)

Some work is needed to make the article neutral. It is clear that in some parts of the article, citations were taken from primary sources and then a less-than-unbiased narrative is written in between the quotes. Some parts of the article are even written in a way that is more like an essay supporting separation of Alberta than an encyclopedic article. For example, let's look at the section "2010s Liberals Again, Resurgence" is written in a way that implies that the United Conservatives support the separation of Alberta. (If that is true, then it needs to be properly cited and not just extrapolated from campaign speeches) There is a whole paragraph about Trudeau Jr. getting booed at a hockey game that is completely irrelevant to everything in the article. The excerpts from Peter Zeihan are lumped in with no explanation of their significance. Sentences like "Mr. Hopper correctly described the landlocked problems of an independent Alberta but did not argue the benefits presented by Mr. Zeihan and others" are borderline non-encyclopedic. The entire premise of this sentence is to dismiss the critiques of separatism by stating that he disregarded a portion of the evidence. I understand that it's sometimes difficult to present a subject in a neutral light, but when every single mention of separatism being criticized is followed up with an explanation of why the speaker is wrong, it becomes a problem.

Other sections have minor problems, but seem to be less opinionated and more fact-based. These sections are clearly the way to go.

I'd usually remedy this myself, but I know next to nothing about Albertan Separatism. For example, I don't know if Zeihan's works are significant, some statements I might have removed myself might be able to be sourced somewhere, or rephrased with added context. They might also be able to be replaced with scholarly sources, which tend to be more encyclopedic in nature.

I'd really like to see this article flourish, as it's a frequently misunderstood of part of Canadian culture (at least if you live in the east, like I do) and I can see it being made into a very good resource to educate all Canadians about Western-Canadian issues and preoccupations.

Best, Acebulf (talk) 01:18, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

I made significant write to this Separation article (July 2018), and see others changed what I wrote. In no way do the United Conservatives in Alberta today support separation (but many of their members do want the conversation). With lower economies and rising debt, separation sentiments rise - there is a cycle - and the cycle is political to the extent of who is in power. Separatism sentiment rises when Liberals are in power, so a point made about Trudeau and a hockey game are relevant to that extent. But whoever did the edit on that seems to have run on too long with it. Likewise with the sentence about "Mr. Hopper correctly described the landlocked problems of an independent Alberta but did not argue the benefits presented by Mr. Zeihan and others." I don't recognize these sentences as my contribution. There is too many edits to click on under history but if you show me a list of words and sentences added since my contribution, I can rework the article back to unbiased status. The entry should inform not promote Separatism. Kermit

This article seems to promote an Alberta seperatist view as opposed to a neutral world view of Western Seperatism. It needs to be properly flagged as lacking neutrality. I find it odd that the article describes almost every Eastern federal policy as being "catastrophic" for Alberta yet separatism sentiment often can't get a single candidate elected... the counter political sentiment that Alberta should remain in Canada seems largely ignored and provincial government responsibilities during economic downturns seem conveniently ignored. 204.48.92.87 (talk) 23:28, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Spelling
prime minister and minister are not capitalised because they are not proper nouns. The Prime Minister of the United Kingdom or The Queen are proper nouns because they refer to a person. Therefore, it is prime minister the Right Honourable Justin Trudeau but, The Prime Minister of Canada.

"Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau's" seems to be correct as is used elsewhere and is a title. Should I change to be Right Honourable Justin Trudeau? Kermit

First Past The Post
FPTP favours the Conservative party since by most accounts it over-represents rural and suburban constituencies that historically favour Conservatives. Stephen Harper did not "succeed against the odds"-he was the odds-on favourite to win the election of 2006 because of the Sponsorship scandal and a United Conservative party that at the time had a larger base ie. western Canada and rural Ontario than did the Liberal party whose traditional base Quebec had splintered between the BQ, and Liberals and a resurgent NDP. Furthermore such a comment is inappropriate as it is conjecture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.44.150.150 (talk) 22:46, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Which sentence are you referring to? It is fact that Harper did win against political odds (calculation not partisan comment) based on current political structure in Canada that does bias in favour of eastern Canada. Kermit — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:56A:F478:3800:75FE:3069:6AED:3C (talk) 13:37, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

This is the talk page
This is the article's talk page. Instead of repeatedly adding the same material after users have pointed out problems with it, you discuss the matter here.

When doing so, you need to assume good faith from others.

It would also be a good idea for you to familiarize yourself with our policies and guidelines regarding:
 * original research
 * neutrality (especially avoiding advocacy, editorializing, and undue weight)
 * paying attention to what others have pointed out instead of making the same dismissed argument over and over
 * making sure your primary interest is helping the encyclopedia, instead of some other goal like "righting great wrongs".

Ian.thomson (talk) 21:08, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

 * This definitely reads like an argument for Alberta separatism, rather than an encyclopedia article about Alberta separatism. I've done some clean up, but this needs an overhaul. Ground Zero | t 20:48, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

#wexit is of dubious WP:LASTING significance
A spike and a drop-off over 48 hours is the very definition of not lasting significance. Simonm223 (talk) 16:54, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * There have been other articles about that movement recently that should be added. I have a backlog. MikkelJSmith (talk) 02:12, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Lack of neutrality in the title, renaming proposal
Since the article claims that its neutrality is disputed, let's start by this problem : the title. "Separatism" by its very nature is a pejorative word which has an history of either being used to scare the concerned people thinking about independence to stay loyal to their existing country or portray an independence movement in a negative light internationally by the dominating nation to prevent international sympathy. There is a deeper reason why villains (think Star Wars or any another cultural product) that desire in their fictional world independence for their people are labeled as "separatists" and why heroes in a similar situation are labeled "freedom fighters". By having "separatism" in the title, the article already take a side with a negative point of view over the subject and promote this negative portrayal to viewers by its choice of words, making it violate the principles of neutrality of Wikipedia. Which is why I'm proposing this article to be renamed : Albertan independence movement. The wording in it is much more neutral without going into automatically-positive territory either. Not only that, but other similar pages use this naming form for a reason (think the Québec sovereignty movement article -the name the movement gave to itself- or Cascadian independence movement article). Users should be free to decide in a more neutral ground for themselves what they think of the movement. I personally don't agree with it yet I still think calling it "Alberta separatism" is just unfair. A vote should be held. 96.22.228.193 (talk) 02:21, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * We don't vote, we reach consensus, and we use terminology derived from sources, not individual editors' analyses. I'm not seeing the term "independentist" in a preponderance of sources, but "separatist" appears in many. Also, "independentist" would tend to exclude sentiment to join the U.S., which is covered in the article. I've reverted the change.  Acroterion   (talk)   02:06, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Even if the words the sources use might be negatively biaised and thus against the value of neutrality and neutral perspective on Wikipedia and thus perpetuate these negative or mocking perceptions rather than setting the record straight in a more neutral ambiance? Also that wasn't everything I did, I also tried to make some sentences more encyclopedic in tone since this page visibly has a neutrality problem hence the banner. Finally, not necessarily, "independentist" can also include annexion movements (doesn't it already have its own distinct page, the annexion movements of Canada, however?) like California, which got independence first...in order to join another country later. 96.22.228.193 (talk) 22:57, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * You need sources for all that, and you need to explain how sources describe the subject, not your own perception or preference for one term over another.  Acroterion   (talk)   23:40, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * This is not how "my preference" goes, this is an objective observation that similar independence movements here, compared to each other, experience a visible double-standard with some using the very much pejorative "separatist" (as it has been historically used by anti-independence campaigns to make the prospect of independence scary and deligitimize their advocates by using this term, including in both Québec referendums, which is still reflected to this day in popular works prominently using "separatists" to describe movements the audience must consider evil or crazy compared to "freedom fighters" in a similar position, which is used to make audience consider them good and never the other way around) and others using the neutral "independentist" or "independence movement" (advocating for independence, permanent or temporal, with no historical track record giving it a positive or negative connotation, just that they want a country, which is stating a fact, no dressing attached). This is what I'm talking about : wikipedian neutrality. Even if you are normally right that sources should say what is and shouldn't be said, you can't deny there is a visible contradiction with the biais of these sources using this loaded word (history and all to show it is pejorative and regarded as pejorative) as well as their nationality of origin, which in itself could reveal a conflict of interest, promoting naturally what holds their country the benefit from together, as Russian sources can be about the Soviet Union compared to Ukrainian ones or Han Chinese ones about China compared to Uighur ones. I was just hoping to start a conversation about this potential issue, which didn't really happen really however sadly. 96.22.228.193 (talk) 03:54, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Again, you need to address wha the sources say, not what you perceive. You appear to be starting from a position and arguing in its favor, not following the references. About four times as many of the references mention “separatism” or “separation” than “independence”, and a substantial number describe joining the United States, which is not independent nationhood.  Acroterion   (talk)   10:52, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

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This article is rife with fringe sources
Seriously there's a lot in here sourced to youtube and some guy's soundcloud. These are not WP:RS. Simonm223 (talk) 17:06, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

 * Could you be more specific? I don't see any YouTube or SoundCloud references in the article. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 16:23, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
 * That is because I removed them. Simonm223 (talk) 20:49, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Are there any more sources left that you view as questionable? –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 22:35, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Still evaluating. I tend to be a measure first cut once guy. YouTube and soundcloud are obvious inadequate sources. Beyond that I have questions about whether some of the cited opinions are WP:FRINGE but need to research further. Simonm223 (talk) 06:38, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

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Tsuburaya Productions (円谷プロダクション) is a Japanese special effects studio founded in 1963 by special effects director Eiji Tsuburaya and was run by his family, until October 2007, when the family sold the company to advertising agency TYO Inc. The studio is best known for producing the Ultra Series. Since 2007, the head office has been located in Hachimanyama, Setagaya, Tokyo.

History

First established by Japanese special effects (tokusatsu) pioneer Eiji Tsuburaya in 1963, it was responsible for the creation of such classic shows as Ultraman (and its many sequels), Kaiju Booska and many other spectacular tokusatsu family/children's shows. The company, when first formed in 1963, was called Tsuburaya Special Effects Productions (円谷特技プロダクション). In 1968, Toho Company Ltd. forced the company to change its name to the simpler "Tsuburaya Productions", not only because its executives thought Eiji was acting as though only he could have done special effects, but also because they felt that his own TV shows were becoming a strong competition to the movies he was doing for them. Although Eiji had strong political power at Toho, he and the company were at odds with each other until his death in 1970.

The company's current logo was originally the arrow-like logo from their 1968 TV series, Mighty Jack, designed by that show's art director, Tohl Narita. Tohl Narita left the company the same year.

Tsuburaya has officially made their Ultraman and non-Ultraman content widely available on their YouTube channel, even simulcasting several of their series with English subtitles, the channel has reached over 2 million subscribers.

Tsuburaya's more recent work includes the "Ultra N-Project" (Ultraman the Next and Ultraman Nexus) based loosely on an unused concept which was planned before the production of Ultra Q, but never actually filmed.

Corporate buyout
In October 2007, due to rising production costs, the Tsuburaya family sold the company to Japanese advertising agency TYO Inc., which then held an 80% stake in the company. Bandai, the main licensor of merchandise for the Ultra Series, acquired a 33.4% stake in 2007 with TYO transferring another 15.6% in 2009 giving Bandai a total of 49.9%. As a result, the old Kinuta office used by Tsuburaya as its head office was razed, and the company moved to newer facilities. Kazuo Tsuburaya, Eiji's grandson, stayed with the company on its board of directors.

In 2010, pachinko maker Fields Corporation bought out TYO's 51% stake in Tsuburaya Productions, with Bandai retaining the remaining 49%.

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