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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The pogroms in Istanbul

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was Deleting with prejudice. I am dismayed at the sockpuppetry occuring here, and I must express my thanks to those of you who watched out for it and pointed it out when necessary. You make our jobs so much easier. --Golbez 22:11, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

The pogroms in Istanbul
Although I am unfamiliar with the details of the Cyprus dispute, this article seems to be a POV attack designed to further the views of User:Argyrosargyrou, It is in a similar vein as Hellenic Holocaust and Hellenic Genocide, all created by this user and subsequently deleted. Hence, despite my lack of familiarity with the subject, I nominated this page for deletion. Scimitar 21:12, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Comments by Scimitar indicate that the nomination of this page for deletion is part of an attempt to peruse a Personal vendetta against me. Therefore the nomination should be declared invalid. --Argyrosargyrou 22:03, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * This page has become nothing more than a series of PERSONAL ATTACKS against me in violation of Wikipedia rules. The most recent attack is by ChrisO who has restored to using threats to prevent me from removing the repeated personal attacks. (see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Argyrosargyrou&diff=0&oldid=15140825) --Argyrosargyrou 22:25, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * For the record, I warned Argyrosargyrou not to delete other users' comments on this VfD. He ignored the warning so has been blocked for 24 hrs for common vandalism. -- ChrisO 22:40, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't think he did. Your warning is time stamped 22:20, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC) and his last revert was at 22:17, 13 Jun 2005 and that was before the warning was given. He did nothing wrong. I believe you banned him out of your own personal prejudice, to prevent him from contributing to the discussion.--SaintJerome 00:49, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * created this ID today, the first edit was to the Cyprus dispute page, where they made the exact same idiosyncratic edits that Argyrosargyrou makes. A possible sock puppet.  RickK 00:58, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm reverting. You, of all people, have no right to claim someone is 'personally attacking' you after edits like this actual personal attacks. I invite you to read the actual policies, and request that you cease vandalising this page, and others user pages. --Kiand 22:06, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Eh, STOP VANDALISING this page. There is nothing here that is classed as a 'personal attack' in any official or even not-yet official policy. --Kiand 22:10, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I would like to ask impartial observors to review evidence and vote please, as User:Argyrosargyrou has claimed I am pursuing a personal vendetta. If anyone other than User:Argyrosargyrou wishes to defend this article, I remain open to change my vote. --Scimitar 22:11, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Votes to delete

 * Delete. --Kiand 21:27, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * User not impartial. Vote should not be counted. See Kiand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Kiand#RfA_on_Argyrosargyrou --TheEmpire 17:47, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * And how, under any circumstances, being asked to join an RfAr, and NOT doing so, make me impartial? Explain that one first. --Kiand 18:03, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Argyros' sockpuppet? Aecis 22:54, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. Yet another episode in Argyrosargyrou's campaign to push extreme POVs into Wikipedia articles. -- ChrisO 21:35, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * This vote by ChrisO should not be counted since there is evidence to prove that ChrisO is pursuing a personal vendetta against Argyrosargyrou, including deliberately preventing that user from contributing.--Atriades 17:00, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Sockpuppet? (note the use of the term "personal vendetta") Aecis 22:54, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete, more Argyrosargyroucruft. RickK 22:12, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * This vote from RickK should not be counted since there is evidence to prove that RickK is pursuing a personal vendetta against Argyrosargyrou, including deliberately preventing that user from contributing. Evidence of RickK's conspiracy against Argyrosargyrou can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Scimitar#RfA_on_Argyrosargyrou

 * This proves that the only reason Scimitar nominated this page for an RfD is because RickK influenced him beforehand by slandering Argyrosargyrou. More evidecen of the conspiricy to slander Argyrosargyrou can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Scimitar#Argyrosargyrou and on SaintJerome's talk page.--Atriades 17:00, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Would this perhaps be a sockpuppet? Aecis 22:54, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. I highly recommend that anyone considering a 'keep' vote here, please read the current request for arbitration first. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd  22:28, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Why do people feel the need to fight the Cyprus dispute in the Wikipedia? Can't they just armwrestle for it or something? --Xcali 22:36, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete for being unencyclopedic. Sigh, deep sigh... Calling it "pogroms" is as out of place as talking about "Turkish Cypriot Genocide". There were unrests, places were destroyed, but this is only good for a newspaper article - not an encyclopedia entry. Argyro, pursue your rants on internet pages you own. - Snchduer 23:53, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * The vote by Snchduer should not be counted either because he is involved in a content dispute with Argyrosargyrou over the Cyprus dispute page. He is not voting on the content of this pages and is not even willing to discuss the page civilly, but is voting out of prejudice against Argyrosargyrou.--Atriades 17:00, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Why should that prevent my vote from being counted? Argyro, stop sockpuppeting and read the rules on which votes are counted first. - Snchduer 18:12, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Argyros' sockpuppet? Aecis 22:54, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete, irredeemable POV. --Angr/undefined 07:10, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Mixed feelings. The topic in itself may be Wikipedia-worthy, but definitely not with this title and this extremely POV content. In any other case, I would probably have voted keep but cleanup, but in this case, that would take so much time, and in the meantime the horrible content of this article would be able to do its work (whatever "doing its work" may be). Therefore: delete. Aecis 22:38, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC) (@Argyros: let me spare you the effort of having to come up with how I could be pro-Turkish: I'm from the Netherlands, and during the last Eurovision Song Contest, we gave 12 points to Turkey, 10 to Greece and none to Cyprus. This clearly demonstrates how unbelievably biased I am ;))
 * Delete. Sigh... what's taking the RfA so long? Feco 03:08, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * The vote by Feco should not be counted either since he is involved in a content dispute with Argyrosargyrou over the Cyprus dispute page and over the Hellenic Genocide page. Feco's voted is not against this page but against Argyrosargyrou --Atriades 17:00, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Give it up, Argyros. It won't work. Aecis 22:54, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. Yet another POV fork by Argyrosargyrou in his personal Wikipedia crusade. Sarg 10:45, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete More of the usual. --E.A 10:48, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * The vote by E.A should not be counted since he is involved in a content dispute with Argyrosargyrou over the Cyprus dispute page as well and over various other Greco-Turkish issues. --Atriades 17:00, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh dear, Argyros again... Aecis 22:54, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. --Kbdank71 19:07, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete as POV fork, and also because of the painful sockpuppetry below. --TenOfAllTrades(talk) 19:10, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is ridiculous. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 19:54, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete, POV fork. Now, under what grounds should my vote not be counted? --Carnildo 20:42, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * The vote by Carnildo should not be counted as his user name includes the letter "C", which is not found in the Greek alphabet, clearly showing anti-Greek bias. ;-) -- ChrisO 22:56, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. Wikipedia is not a political platform. Extreme POV warriors should go off and write their own encyclopedias. func (talk) 00:06, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete, obviously. Radiant_ >|< 09:19, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)

Most of the above votes for deletion are personal abuse and should be disconunted. I doubt that any of these voters have actually read the page in question. No one has pointed out anything that might factually inaccurate in the article let alone proven it to be nor have they even attempted to discus its contents, so I take that no one actually objects to the subject mater of the page at all. Obvious campaigning has taken place for votes for deletion as noted by other people, and these votes were cast because of unfounded slanders against its contributor. The discussion below which is all directed against the same person proves that. The above votes should be discounted and the entire RfD should be thrown out. If so-called sockpuppets are not allowed then neither are people ganging up against someone else, they are sockpuppets just as much. Sockpuppets of ChrisO and Kiand.--HeavensDoor 23:44, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm a sockpuppet of myself. Oh, by the way, ChrisO and Kiand are bribing me with a Ferrari to ensure that I vote delete. Sarg 11:50, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I said 'red fiat made car'. Never said Ferrari. --Kiand 12:02, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Awww... Only Nazi holocaust deniers use red fiat made cars! Sarg 12:10, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I have never, ever used a sockpuppet on the Wikipedia. Considering I have a totally static IP, it would be isntantly detectable. However, its clear that all the Keep votes are from the one person.
 * Also, I have read the article. Theres some MAJOR problems with it. Its completely and utterly hopeless unsavable POV. Its a huge mainly unwikified text dump from a Public Domain source and doens't come close to meeting the MoS. Its very poorly referenced - an autobiography or two, and a lot of redlinked books. And its by an author who is likely to getting banned by RfAr, meaning that their edits will all be reverted anyway. And thats just the start of reasons why it doesn't deserve to be in the Wikipedia.
 * I couldn't care less about what the article covers - its not a peice of history that interests me. But Wikipedia is not a soapbox, so it has to go. --Kiand 23:51, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I've never read so much nonsense that borders on holocaust denial in my life. Why don't you tell me that the stories of the Jews who were deported from the Europeans cities the NAZI's occupied should be banned from Wikipedia because they are too controversial. Why don't you actually read the books that are linked to and vist the web pages on the issues. It was PROVEN in a Turkish court that the Turkish government was responsible for the pogroms in Istanbul when the officials responsible were put on trial. How can you claim that something is poorly reference when you have not even read the references. Is the US Congress, House Concurrent Resolution 148, September 9, 1997 also a poor reference ? Have you visited http://www.hellenicgenocide.org/quotes/photos-cons-cem1.html which contains photographs of the destruction of Greek Churches and Greek owned property in Constantinople in 1955 and pictures of the Turkish mobs ? Are you telling me that "The Economist" which is quoted is not a good enough source.

 * And as for the RfAr its a complete joke as has already been pointed out. Arbitration what arbitration ? Its nothing more than a gang of your and ChrisO's sockpuppets ganging up against one person because he's challenged their one sided point of view and he knows about the issues that he is talking about better than them or you and that's what you and they don't like.--HeavensDoor 00:29, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * It's sad, Argyros, that you have to rape the Holocaust and its millions of victims just to get your lousy point across. This just shows how worthless you are, and how right the RfAr is. Aecis 09:07, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Votes to keep

 * Speedy Keep Attempt at political Censorship of historically proven facts --Argyrosargyrou 21:15, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Article author, on WP:RfAr --Kiand 21:28, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * With respect, it is nothing of the kind. I explained my reasons at the beginning, and if you were more reasonable and less unilateral, I would never have put it up for deletion. (Incidentally, calling me a holocaust denier on my user page simply convinces me that this was the correct path to take). --Scimitar 21:31, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Don't waste your effort in trying to convince him this is not political censorship, Scimitar. It just won't work. Let him believe what he wants to believe. Convincing the Great Wall of China to do the moonwalk is easier than convincing Argyros. Aecis 11:13, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Strong Keep As a Christian I have known the history of the anti-Greek pogroms in Istanbul for a very long time, ever since I learned about Turkey's closure of the Halki Theological School in 1971. I see nothing in this page that is not historically accurate, biasd or unfair and I believe that certain users are only voting to delete this page because of unfounded prejudice against the person who created it, while I know that others, from what they have said on their talk pages are colluding with each other in order to peruse a pro-Turkish agenda. --SaintJerome 00:49, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Users second edit outside of his own user space. --Kiand 00:52, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep Wikipedia rules are being used and twisted to whitewash history and prevent people with a knowledge of these events from contruibuting and censor their contributions. The events described in this page are no different to events that took place during the Jewish Holocaust or the Rwandan Genocide, and denials of those events in history would never be allowed so why deny the Pogroms against the Greeks of Istanbul.
 * Unsigned vote by User:64.76.83.118, first contrib., probable sock-puppet. --Kiand 21:35, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * It's an open proxy in Colombia. -- ChrisO 07:06, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Strong Keep Don't you suppose that the unsigned voter you are insulting might have been someone who was genuinely looking for something about the pogroms and after finding the information that he was looking for decided to vote to keep the page ? Even if he wasn't I was and I do not appreciate your attempt at censorship of information which I found extremely useful. I am disgusted with the way that this page was nominated for deltion based on personal prejudice and a lack of knowledge of the events. These historical events deserve to be recorded so that people can learn from them so that they can never happen again.--Jagrafes 21:51, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Users first contribution, probable sock-puppet. --Kiand 21:52, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Strong Keep My family were deported from Constantinople in 1964 so I can testify to you that this article is accurate. I resent that Kiand and others are trying to discardit other people who voted because they do not agree with their opinions. Isn't this an abuse of the rules ? How much are you getting paid by Turkey to deny this act of ethnic-cleansing ?
 * Sigh. New user, first contribution. Probable sockpuppet. --Kiand 22:26, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Strong Keep This article is no more POV than any article on the crimes against humanity perpetrated during the NAZI hollcaust. The RfD on this page is an attempt at holocaust denial.--JohnChaucer 22:47, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Users first edit. This user is an -obvious- sock-puppet of User:Argyrosargyrou, as he has all the same terminology and hysterical use of NAZI and holocaust denier--Kiand 22:48, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Strong Keep Why are you so desperate to deny that tens of thousands of indigenous Greeks were deported from Istanbul after the Turkish state organised pogroms against them ? Why do you have to accuse everyone who vote to keep this page of being a sock puppet ? Are you ashamed of your nations guilt. I'm assuming that everyone who voted to delete this page is Turkish of course, after all you think everyone who has voted to keep this page is a sock puppet. I suppose you are going to call me one now.--NeilKinnock 22:59, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Because you are. Users first edit, probably sock puppet. Oh, and I'm Irish; not Turkish. --Kiand 23:00, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Could someone please move the sockpuppets' reactions to a separate section of this page, so they don't obscure the equation, as it were. (I won't do it, because I'm off to bed :-)) Aecis 23:07, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Strong Keep No valid reason for deletion. No attempt was made to discusses this article before it was nominated. This smacks of censorship. Kiand if you don't agree with the content of the article then discuss the point you do not agree with like a civilised human being, and Aecis stop trying to rig this vote. --Enforcer2 23:09, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Sock. One edit. Come on, you KNOW the admins doing the count up are going to drop all these votes, you'll go to VFUD where its long-term users only, and get completely slaughtered with no support. Just give it up. --Kiand 23:13, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * And how would I be rigging this vote? Are you man enough to prove your baseless accusations? Aecis 11:00, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Strong Keep The pogroms in Istanbul did happen ! --TheHolyGrail 23:34, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Sock. 1 edit. --Kiand 23:40, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Strong Keep I vote strongly to keep this page. There were Turkish state organised pogroms in Constantinople in 1955 which resulted in most of the Greek, Armenian and Jewish population being forced to leave the city. If that was not enough in the 1960's Turkey forcibly deported the Greek population.--MaxPlank 16:41, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Sockpuppet - 1 edit. -- ChrisO 17:01, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Strong Keep This RfD was never about the issue of the Pogroms in Istanbul but about a personal vendetta being pursued against Argyrosargyrou by E.A, Snchduer, ChrisO, RickK, Feco, and Scimitar.--Atriades 17:07, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Users 3rd edit, not edited any other pages than this VfD. --Kiand 17:11, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Sounds like Argy, votes like Argy . . . --Scimitar 18:25, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Strong Keep Isn't a Scimitar a Turkish sword ? I would say that Scimitar who nominated this page is connected with Turkey in some way. Obvious anti-Greek campaign on Wikipedia by an organised group of Turkish historical revisionists, if you ask me. --TheDogsDinner 17:27, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Users second edit. --Kiand 17:38, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * It's a catchall for a host of Asian, Indian, turkish, and fictional swords, actually. But, on the basis of that compelling evidence, I feel the need to offer some of my own. Your only edits ever, are on this page.  Why is that, exactly? --Scimitar 18:25, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Strong Keep The page on the pogroms is factually accurate and should be kept. --TheEmpire 17:52, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Guess what... Sarg 17:54, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 3 edits, all to this VfD. --Kiand 17:55, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Strong Keep The pogroms occurred and tens of thousands of indigenous Greeks were ethnically cleansed by the Turkish government.--HeavensDoor 23:27, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Sigh... Aecis 23:30, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * May as well keep up my tradion, eh?. One edit, sockpuppet. --Kiand 23:38, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Did the Turkish government use a proper ethnic soap for the cleansing? --Carnildo 23:39, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh no! Now Argy's puppets will claim we used humour and that should get our votes discounted!! Because only HOLOCAUST DENYING NAZI's use humour, right? --Kiand 23:42, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Strong Keep Just take a look at the evidence for a moment and judge this page ON ITS CONTENTS ALONE

 * George Horton; "The Blight of Asia" (Indianapolis: Bobb and Merryl, 1925)
 * Leonidas Koumakis; "The Miracle" (1993)
 * Marjorie Housepian Dobkin; "Smyrna 1922 the Destruction of a City"
 * Henry Morgenthau; "I was sent to Athens"
 * Edward Hale Bierstadt; "The Great Betrayal"
 * Thea Halo; "Not Even My Name" (May 2000 Picador USA/St. Martin's Press)
 * Speros Vryonis, Jr.; The Mechanism of Catastrophe: The Turkish Pogrom of September 6-7, 1955, and the Destruction of the Greek Community of Istanbul, (2005)
 * Christos P. Ioannides; In Turkey's image: The transformation of occupied Cyprus into a Turkish province, (New Rochelle, NY: Caratzas, 1991)
 * Tessa Hofmann (HG); Verfolgung, Vertreibung und Vernichtung der Christen im Osmanischen Reich 1912-1922, Münster: LIT Verlag, 2004
 * The Asia Minor Holocaust of 1922 - Four articles from the New York Times--Yorik 17:54, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Another night, another round of sockpuppets. Just give it up, dammit!
 * Two edits, definate sockpuppet. --Kiand 17:56, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

If one checks list of users and admins here, then it will be possible to see that many wikipedians are now not engaged in writing the artickles, not even participating in editing wars, but mostly spend their days voting for page deletion(or keeping). WonderfulGabrichidze 17:56, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep. If this resourse wants to stay an encyclopedia and not degenerate in one of the numerous opinion forums then this attempts to delete the artickles regarding the historic facts should stop(however please feel free to edit the artickle and discuss changes at the talk page). I prefer to see a vanity pages once in while (which will be abandoned any way) instead of seeing a useful artickles about historic events being constantly marked with a deletion tags only because they hurt someones pariotic feelings(or other feelings does not matter). This deletionism should stop.
 * If you want to prevent Wikipedia from degenerating into an opinion forum, then it's these übernationalistic rants that have to stop, not the attempts to delete them. Edits to articles by Argyrosargyrou have been attempted, but they have only led to immediate reverts by Argyrosargyrou or one of his sockpuppets, followed by seemingly incessant back-and-forth revert wars. Argyrosargyrou will not discuss his edits, and he is not willing to compromise or seek a consensus. He will only accept his way, with only the wording he chooses, and the words he chooses are not encyclopedic at all. And in those cases, I think it's better not to have an article at all, than to have an unencyclopedic, sometimes factually incorrect, one-sided POV rant by perhaps one of Wikipedia's biggest trolls. Aecis 23:00, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages.  Please do not edit this page .


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Southern Association

The Southern Association' (SA) was a higher-level minor league in American organized baseball from 1901 through 1961. For most of its existence, the Southern Association was two steps below the Major Leagues; it was graded Class B (1901), Class A (1902–1935), Class A1 (1936–1945), and Double-A (1946–1961). Although the SA was known as the Southern League through 1919, the later Double-A Southern League was not descended from the Southern Association; the modern SL came into existence in 1964 as the successor to the original South Atlantic ("Sally") League.

A stable, eight-team loop, the Southern Association's member teams typically included the Atlanta Crackers, Birmingham Barons, Chattanooga Lookouts, Little Rock Travelers, Memphis Chicks, Nashville Vols, and New Orleans Pelicans. The eighth club was usually either the Knoxville Smokies, Mobile Bears, or Shreveport Sports.

The Association was formed from the remnants of the Southern League (1885–1899) by Abner Powell, Newt Fisher, and Charley Frank.

Resisted integration
After Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier in 1946 with the Montreal Royals of the International League, the Southern Association continued to adhere to the Jim Crow segregation laws of the time. Only one African-American ever played a meaningful game during this time: Nat Peeples of the 1954 Atlanta Crackers, the only black player in the league's history. On April 9–10, 1954, Peeples played in two road games in Mobile, and went hitless in four at bats. He was demoted to the already-integrated, Single-A Jacksonville Braves of the Sally League before the Crackers played a home game.

The Southern Association then played the rest of its history, through the end of 1961, as a racially segregated league. Partly due to this, its Major-League parent clubs were among the last to integrate during the 1950s, a period when African-Americans and Latin-American players of African descent were beginning to dominate Major League Baseball. By the end of the 1950s, the SA was the target of a boycott by activists of the Civil Rights Movement.

Disbanded in 1961
In its last three years, the Southern Association was plagued by frequent franchise shifts. Little Rock moved to Shreveport after the 1958 season, and New Orleans moved to Little Rock after the 1959 season. Memphis' park burned down just before the 1960 season, forcing the Chicks to play in several temporary facilities before moving to Macon, Georgia, for 1961. The league finally ceased operation after the 1961 season.

Member cities slowly began to join remaining leagues, which were racially integrated. The Atlanta club moved up to the Triple-A International League in 1962. Little Rock followed suit (as the renamed Arkansas Travelers), moving to the International circuit in 1963 and the Pacific Coast League from 1964 to 1965, before making a permanent home in the Double-A Texas League in 1966. Macon, a longtime member of the Sally League, returned to that circuit in 1962. After a one-year hiatus, Nashville and Chattanooga joined the Sally League in 1963. Later in the decade, Birmingham (1964) and Mobile (1966) joined the Southern League, and Memphis and Shreveport (both in 1968) entered the Texas circuit.

Member teams

 * Atlanta Crackers (1902–1961) – at times known as the Firemen and various other names depending on which newspaper was covering them
 * Birmingham Barons (1901–1961) – at times known as the Iron Barons
 * Chattanooga Lookouts (1901–1902; 1910–1943; 1944–1961)
 * Knoxville Smokies (1931–1944)
 * Little Rock Travelers (1901–1909; 1915–1956; 1957-1958; 1960–1961)
 * Macon Peaches (1961)
 * Memphis Chicks (1901–1960) – short for "Chickasaws" and at times known as the Turtles and Egyptians
 * Mobile Bears (1908–1931; 1944–1961) – known as the Marines in 1931
 * Montgomery Rebels (1903–1914; 1943; 1956) – at times known as the Black Sox, Senators, Climbers, and Billikens
 * Nashville Vols (1901–1961)
 * New Orleans Pelicans (1901–1959)
 * Selma Christians (1901)
 * Shreveport Sports (1901–1907; 1959–1961) – at times known as the Giants and Pirates

Champions
While a league pennant winner was crowned each season, some seasons (1928 and 1932–61) also concluded with either the top two or four teams in the league competing in playoffs to determine a league champion. These playoffs varied between being best-of-five and best-of-seven contests. The Atlanta Crackers, termed by some the "New York Yankees of the minors," won the Southern Association pennant 13 times, the most among all teams. They are followed by the New Orleans Pelicans, with nine pennants. As far as playoff championships are concerned, the Nashville Vols captured the most, with nine—dominating the league with six straight championships from 1939 to 1944. They are followed by Atlanta, with six playoff titles. Combining both pennants and playoffs, the Crackers won the most (21), with the Vols trailing them with 17. On the other hand, the Chattanooga Lookouts, charter members of the association, won only one title during their 54 years in the league—with that coming during the Southern Association's final, 1961 campaign.

Most Valuable Player Award
The Most Valuable Player Award was given to honor the best player in the league from 1936 to 1961.

Southern Professional Football League
In both 1940 and 1944 league leaders tried to start a minor football league, with plan to draw crowds of 15,000 to 20,000, but both attempts were cancelled at the early stages.

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Talk:Theta Theta

Closed deletion listing
This article was listed for deletion on 25 May, 2005. The discussion was closed with the result of no consensus. This article will not be deleted. You can view the discussion, which is no longer live: Votes_for_deletion/Theta Theta. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 21:13, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Mark Alleyne

Mark Wayne Alleyne (born 23 May 1968) is an English cricket coach and former first-class cricketer who made ten One Day International appearances for England between 1998/99 and 2000/01. He is the head coach at Gloucestershire County Cricket Club.

Classed as an all-rounder, he mostly batted in the middle of the order and bowled at a medium pace, but he has also kept wicket for both England and his county, Gloucestershire.

He is the first Black British and third Black overall to coach an English first-class cricket team after Derief Taylor and John Shepherd.

Domestic career
Alleyne impressed early for Gloucestershire, scoring a century for them at 18 and a double-hundred at 22, being in both cases the youngest to achieve the feat for the county.

He replaced Jack Russell as captain in 1997, and in 2000 led Gloucestershire to two one-day cups and the National League title, just missing out on promotion in the County Championship, his achievements winning him a Wisden Cricketer of the Year spot. In the ensuing few years he became renowned as a leading tactician in the one-day form of county cricket, leading Gloucestershire to 4 one day knockout cups in 6 years.

In 2001, however, his performances fell away somewhat, especially with the bat, and Alleyne relinquished the captaincy to Chris Taylor in 2004. Indeed, he played just four county matches that year and did not make his first appearance in 2005 until 10 June.

International career
On the 1998/99 tour of Australia he made his England debut at Brisbane.

In February 2020, he was named in England's squad for the Over-50s Cricket World Cup in South Africa. However, the tournament was cancelled during the third round of matches due to the coronavirus pandemic.

Coaching career
After coach John Bracewell left Gloucestershire Cricket Club to join the New Zealand Test Team, Mark took over as Head Coach at Gloucestershire between 2004 and 2007 narrowly missing out on the Twenty20 title in 2007. He stood down as coach by mutual consent in February 2008 with nine months of his contract remaining. Alleyne then took up coaching at the National Performance Centre at Loughborough, where he coached the England Under-15s. In February 2009 he was named as the new MCC head coach, succeeding Clive Radley, who retired after a 48-year association with Lord's.

He subsequently became cricket professional at Marlborough College, a public school in Wiltshire. In 2022 he coached the England Men's T20I team on a tour of the Caribbean and in 2023 he served as white-ball coach for Glamorgan and Welsh Fire.

In February 2024 Gloucestershire announced his return as head coach.

Personal life
Born in England, Alleyne is of Bajan descent. At the age of 4, he moved with his parents to Barbados where he learned to play cricket, and returned to England 11 years later to further his education. His son Max Alleyne is a professional footballer for Premier League side Manchester City.

Alleyne was awarded the MBE for services to cricket in the Queen's New Year Honours list for 2004. As of 2009, he was Chairman of the Professional Cricket Coaches Association.

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Talk:Runway visual range

Wikipedia is not a technical manual. While this is all interesting stuff, we should make sure that someone coming to the article knowing nothing about approach procedure or aeronautics can understand. Also, while this is not copyright, is there really any point in just copying another website? Why not just give the URL? That way the information is updated by someone else. DJ Clayworth 21:14, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I think there is an error; it was supposed to be for Class IIIC (not b) there is no RVR limit required, right ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.139.33.48 (talk) 20:36, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

I know for sure that older jet aircraft (at least Boeings) had a visual height, not distance as warning system. On Boeing 707 and 720 this minimum height was 400 feet above ground. Clouds often "disappears" (for the pilots) at a certain height rather than a certain distance. Since my knowlidge of this subject is rather old, I do not argue anything. Just asking if minimum height has become obsolete. Boeing720 (talk) 02:17, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

good points...
You make some good points, while the wilipedia is not a technical manual, it is an 'encyclopedia,' and as such has a duty to be technically correct to the extent possible. Truth be known, I entered the article about runway visual range only because I was adding my techincal knowledge to another article that made reference to this particular subject.

Again, I agree this wikipedia is not a techincal, but i feel it is important to be as techically correct as is possible. For some people many of the terms and ideas contained in this article is jibberish, and for others who may want to know that level of detail it may be a good source for useful information. Besides, others may not know what technical manual to turn to for this information. Not to mention that someone who would be looking at such a piece of obscure aviation minutia would either need to know what runway visual range is, or ought to know what it is already.

I only wish there was such a complete reference on the internet when I was a student.

Globalise!
This article is VERY AMERICAN. I don't know if it people are aware of this, but most of the world does RVR IN METRES, NOT FEET and any values given in the article are relevant to the USA only (and a few other places that deviate from the international standard).

 * The globalization was best done by major surgery. The new one is much snappier, has much less trivial technical detail and is international.  Technical and globalize tags consequently removed.BaseTurnComplete 21:52, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Flying technology is actually globalized. Idon't know about RVR, but f.i. altitude and vertical speed is globalized as feet (and thousands of feet per minutes). However I do agree with BaseTurnComplete in general. International english is the "Queens English".  Boeing720 (talk) 02:33, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Converting RVR to metereorological visibility
File:US_Terminal_Procedures_Vol_1_Michigan_1998-03.jpg --Thirunavukkarasye-Raveendran (talk) 14:31, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Bareback (sexual act)

Page Move
This article was recently renamed and moved to this new article by User:CaptainEek without a discussion or reason provided. Before moving back to the original title, I want to discuss this here. Please provide a justification for this undiscussed move User:CaptainEek. --- FULBERT (talk) 18:20, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , Howdy hello! It was as part of a series of moves that was cleaning up Category:Sexual acts, which had inconsistent disambiguators. The issue was first raised at WP:DISCORD, noting that there were a variety of disambiguators, including "Sex act" "Sexual act" "sex" "Sexual practice", and that there didn't seem to be any consistency/ rime or reason. Thus choosing a single consistent disambiguator seemed to better serve the goal of disambiguators. If folks feel that this was a bad move, feel free to propose some alternative solutions. Perhaps a broader RfC is needed to determine the best disambiguator. CaptainEek  Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 18:31, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

 * I don't see an issue with CaptainEek having moved this and the other sexual act articles from "sex" or "sex act" to "sexual act" with regard to their parenthetical disambiguations. But similar to the Public sex article, this article should simply be titled "Bareback sex" since there is no other Wikipedia article tilted "Bareback sex." Bareback sex already redirects here. And it is the common name for this topic.

 * Please don't ping me if replying to me or commenting on something I stated. This article is on my watchlist. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 00:14, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

 * After stating the above and looking at search results, I meant to state that "barebacking" seems to be the actual common name. Well, both "bareback sex" and "barebacking" are common names, but "barebacking" seems to be used more. It also redirects here. So the article could also be changed to that title. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 01:46, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Health risks
The health risks section could be strengthened. There should be more WP: WEIGHT on STIs. Prcc27 (talk) 04:30, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Men with men specifically?....
The article says a couple times that the term is mostly used for men having unprotected sex with men, but I've heard it mostly used as a slang term for guys doing it with girls without a condom....

Now personally I don't have many gay friends, and I don't talk much about sex with the gay guys I do know, so it certainly could well be that the term is ALSO commonly used among gay men, and perhaps it even originated in that community.

But I can say for sure that nowadays the term is in VERY widespread use to describe a guy doing it with a girl with no condom.....And given that the straight population is much larger than the population of gay men, it's almost certainly used much more in total (if not as a percentage) for hetero sex. -2003:CA:8708:3FED:1093:CBB:52D9:8112 (talk) 10:18, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

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Thomas Mesereau

Thomas Arthur Mesereau Jr. is an American attorney known for defending Michael Jackson in his 2005 child molestation trial, as well as Mike Tyson, Bill Cosby and, in 2023, Danny Masterson, a case in which Mesereau was sanctioned by the judge.

Mike Tyson
Mesereau represented former world heavyweight boxing champion Mike Tyson in a rape investigation conducted by the San Bernardino County, California District Attorney's Office in 2001. Charges were dropped.

Robert Blake (actor)
Mesereau was the second lawyer during pre-trial proceedings in actor Robert Blake's case for the murder of his wife Bonnie Lee Bakley. Blake's first attorney Harland Braun resigned over Blake's decision to appear in a televised interview with Diane Sawyer against Braun's advice. For unprofessional conduct during the deposition, Mesereau was fined $18,950. After losing an appeal of the fine, he paid a total of $22,000. After Blake spent ten months in isolation in Los Angeles County Jail, Mesereau obtained bail for him. Mesereau cross-examined prosecution witnesses in a three-week, televised preliminary hearing. The hearing revealed flaws in the prosecution's case. Mesereau resigned from the case, declining to explain why.

Michael Jackson
In 2004, Mesereau and Susan Yu were hired to replace attorneys Mark Geragos and Ben Brafman as lead trial counsel. Johnnie Cochran, who represented Jackson during earlier molestation accusations, recommended Mesereau to Jackson's family. In an unusual pretrial hearing, Mesereau called Santa Barbara County District Attorney Thomas Sneddon to the witness stand and examined him under oath. The trial lasted from January to June 2005 and ended with Jackson acquitted of all 14 charges. Mesereau attended Jackson's funeral service and interment in 2009. In 2019, followed by the release of the documentary Leaving Neverland, Mesereau defended Jackson once again.

Joe Babajian
In 2009, Mesereau and Yu defended Joe Babajian in a high-profile mortgage fraud criminal trial in federal court in Los Angeles. Babajian had been indicted by a federal grand jury for twenty-one felony counts, including criminal conspiracy, real estate fraud, bank fraud, loan fraud, and wire fraud. Federal prosecutors claimed Babajian participated in a scheme to inflate property values and submit fraudulent loan documents and false property appraisals.

Eight individuals pleaded guilty to being part of the conspiracy prior to trial. Three individuals, including Babajian, went to trial. On August 10, 2009, the jury returned his verdict, acquitting Babajian of thirteen counts and being hung on the remaining eight counts. The other two defendants were convicted.

Claudia Haro
On April 9, 2012, Mesereau and Yu began jury selection in their defense of Claudia Haro, the ex-wife of Oscar-winning actor Joe Pesci. Haro was charged with conspiracy to murder and multiple counts of attempted murder. She was facing two consecutive life sentences.

The Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office claimed that Haro masterminded numerous attempts to murder her next husband, Garrett Warren, a stuntman who appeared in the movies Mission Impossible III, Avatar and Iron Man 2. The prosecution said Haro hired her brother, convicted drug dealer Manny Haro, and three others to murder Warren. During his divorce with Claudia Haro, Warren opened his front door and was shot four times, losing one eye.

The gunman, Jorge Hernandez, received life in prison in a separate trial. Haro's brother, the self-admitted middleman, also received life in prison. He agreed to testify against his sister. After the start of jury selection, Haro pleaded "no contest" to two counts of attempted murder with a sentence of twelve years, four months.

Suge Knight
On May 30, 2015, Mesereau was retained by rap mogul Marion "Suge" Knight, founder of Death Row Records. His appearance prompted the judge to reschedule a hearing on a motion by Knight to dismiss murder, attempted murder and hit-and-run charges. On January 22, 2016, however, lawyer Stephen L. Schwartz replaced Mesereau as Knight's defense lawyer. Schwartz and colleague Thaddeus Culpepper were later replaced by criminal defense attorneys Antoine D. Williams, Jamal Tooson, and Jeremy Lessem on May 9, 2016, as well.

Bill Cosby
On August 22, 2017, comedian Bill Cosby's sexual assault retrial was postponed after it was announced that Cosby had hired Mesereau to represent him at his retrial. On April 26, 2018, a jury found Cosby guilty of felony sexual assault on all three counts. Each of the three counts carries a prison term of up to 10 years. On June 15, 2018, Cosby fired Mesereau, replacing him with attorney Joseph P. Green Jr. On June 30, 2021, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court overturned Cosby's convictions.

Pro bono work and awards
Although known for his celebrity cases, Mesereau is also an advocate for pro bono volunteer legal services. He has established a legal clinic in Los Angeles and accepts one capital murder case each year on behalf of a defendant in the Deep South who cannot afford representation.

In 2005, Barbara Walters named him one of the year's "Ten Most Fascinating People". GQ Magazine named him one of its "Men of the Year" in their December 2005 issue.

He has been named "Criminal Defense Lawyer of the Year" by the Criminal Courts Bar Association, Los Angeles and the Century City Bar Association, Los Angeles and has been listed as one of the "One Hundred Most Influential Attorneys in California" by the Los Angeles Daily Journal. Mesereau has also received the "Humanitarian Award" from the National Association of Blacks in Criminal Justice. Mesereau received a "Community Service Award" from Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa.

Personal life and education
Mesereau was educated at Phillips Academy, Harvard University (cum laude), the London School of Economics and the University of California, Hastings College of the Law.

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Talk:Banana (disambiguation)

Lists
I removed things like banana split   sucks ass, etc., again. From WP:D: "Lists of articles of which the disambiguated term forms only a part of the article title don't belong here. Disambiguation pages are not search indices. Do not add links that merely contain part of the page title (where there is no significant risk of confusion)." Banana boat may be known as simply "banana", but no one calls a "banana split" a "banana". -- JHunterJ 11:30, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Nothing about 1banana.com? 98.196.117.157 (talk) 00:58, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Banana in language
What about "going bananas" as an expression, shouldn't that b added here? --Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 11:48, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

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Julia R. Masterman School

The Julia Reynolds Masterman Laboratory and Demonstration School is a middle and secondary school located in Philadelphia. It is a magnet school, ranked the 4th best high school in the nation, located in the Spring Garden neighborhood. Prior to 1958, the school building was used by the Philadelphia High School for Girls and the building was placed on the National Register of Historic Places under that name in 1986.

Rankings and awards
Masterman is ranked first in the School District of Philadelphia and in the state of Pennsylvania. It is considered one of the best college-preparatory public schools in the country. The school has twice been named a National Blue Ribbon School of Excellence. U.S. News & World Report ranked it as the top public school in Pennsylvania since 1996, and 4th in the nation in 2024. The acceptance rate for the middle school is approximately 7%. Acceptance for the high school is approximately 3%, making it one of the most difficult schools to get into in the country.

History
The Julia R. Masterman Laboratory and Demonstration School was established in September 1958 as an academic magnet school for elementary school students in grades 4, 5 and 6. A junior high school program was initiated in 1959, and a senior high school was added in 1976. In 1990 Masterman was re-organized as a middle school (grades 5-8) and a high school (grades 9-12). Masterman is located in the former Philadelphia High School for Girls building.

Students are admitted from all areas of Philadelphia based on academic performance, and staff members are selected based on professional expertise. The high school is a preparatory school for select students of superior ability.

The school was named for Julia Reynolds Masterman, who was instrumental in establishing the Philadelphia Home and School Council and served as its first president. The Masterman family still participates in school events and contributes awards at commencement.

In 2006 the district considered establishing an annex for 5th and 6th grade students to increase the school's capacity. The proposed site was Stoddard-Fleischer Middle School.

In 2007, Masterman was a filming location for the 2008 M. Night Shyamalan film The Happening starring Mark Wahlberg. The film shows interior shots of a science lab on the fourth floor, the auditorium, and the main corridor of the first floor hallway, along with various other shots of the school.

In 2010, President Barack Obama chose Masterman as the site of his second annual back-to-school speech, which was broadcast nationally. There, he spoke about how the core of America's future is represented by the students of this generation.

Jeannine Payne, who attended Masterman for middle school, was named principal in 2021.

Dress code
The current dress code states that students must wear clothing which is appropriate, acceptable and not offensive in any way. Jeans are allowed, but cannot be ripped in inappropriate places. Flip-flops, crop-tops, and tank tops are not allowed. References to alcohol, illegal drugs, profanities, or slurs of any sort are not permitted on any personal property.

Beginning in 2001 the School District of Philadelphia required all schools to enact school uniforms or strict dress codes. To comply with the district-wide policy, the Masterman administration banned shirts with logos and emblems.

Notable alumni

 * Kevin Bacon, actor and musician
 * Ingrid Croce (nee Jacobson), singer-songwriter and restaurateur
 * Joel Fagliano, crossword puzzle maker
 * Ellen Forney, author, graphic artist
 * Kenneth Frazier, chairman and chief executive officer, Merck & Co.
 * Andrea Gardner, former WNBA basketball player
 * Stephanie Gatschet, actress
 * Germaine Ingram, lawyer, professor and dancer
 * Leila Josefowicz, concert violinist
 * Shana Knizhnik, author and lawyer
 * Emtithal Mahmoud, poet
 * Angela Nissel, writer
 * Leslie Odom Jr., actor and singer
 * Mia Roberts Perez, federal judge.
 * Chynna Rogers, rapper and model
 * Gregory Shahade, chess player and poker professional
 * Jennifer Shahade, chess player
 * Julie Slick, musician
 * Eric Slick, musician
 * Will Smith, musician and actor — seventh grade
 * Raymond Teller, magician and writer

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