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User talk:Francis Tyers/Fuck the Border

Chinese
The simplified and traditional Chinese versions are nonsense, nothing to do with borders. — Pekinensis 14:45, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Many thanks, I will remove them, I don't suppose you could give the correct translation? - FrancisTyers 16:03, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I have been thinking about this for some time and have come up with nothing. A literal translation is extremely unnatural Chinese. — Pekinensis 16:19, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Doesn't have to be a literal translation, just capture the essence of the phrase. For example, the Armenian says "send the border to hell" (or something similar). This is fine :) - FrancisTyers 07:25, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Of course, but I haven't been able to come up with anything close. I will keep thinking about it. — Pekinensis 21:18, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps "打倒边界", literally something like "beat down the border", but it's more of a call to (possibly violent) action, whereas I imagine "fuck the border" as more of a call to disregard or ignore the border. — Pekinensis 17:24, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, it depends on the meaning of "beat down". Can this only be taken in a literal sense? e.g. Someone going and hitting an imaginary line in the earth with a baseball bat, or can it be a more metaphorical thing? If its the latter then that would be perfect :) "Fuck the border" can be a call to disregard borders or to work for their destruction. The English nominally means to work for their desctruction. - FrancisTyers 18:46, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

It means literally to beat and thus cause to fall. In slogans and on banners, it is or has been commonly followed by phrases such as "American imperialism", "the Japanese bastards", "the land-owning class", or "the Gang of Four". Perhaps a better translation in these contexts would be "destroy".

I read the phrase in the Propagandhi lyrics as a call to disregard the border, with prejudice perhaps, and perhaps implying that its destruction would be a good idea too, but not as directly an exhortion to destroy it.

I don't think what I gave would be a terrible translation, but it is definitely a couple of steps more militant than the English original.

— Pekinensis 19:22, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Ok, have added it, sounds good to me :) I'm sure its right, but I could do with getting a couple of people to confirm it. Will look around for some Chinese speakers on irc. Thanks again - FrancisTyers 09:43, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, you could say, "他妈的国界去死!", but I have no idea if that sounds at all right when you are talking about an inanimate object. You could also try, "跟国界一起作爱吧" if you want more of a romantic mood ... - Nat Krause 09:45, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Right. These are the translations that immediately suggest themselves, but:
 * The imperative wording of the first sounds seems to be addressing the border, as in "Fuck you, damned border!". It might be improved by becoming a declarative sentence, like "他妈的国界可以去死", but as you point out, "go die" is incoherent for nonliving things anyway.
 * I'm guessing from your user page that you are a nice Buddhist boy, so it falls upon me to use the word "肏" (cào), and a shorter and less romantic version of your second sentence is the most literal translation of the English: "肏国界". I believe that the main downfall of either version is that they are again imperative sentences, implying an addressee, this time not the border itself but a listener or reader who is told to carry out the absurd act.
 * Does that seem right? I hope I'm not being too pompous here.  I'm thinking of changing fields to become a professional translator, and I would like to become more precise and explicit in my thinking about the subject.
 * — Pekinensis 16:04, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

 * No, not at all. You raise very reasonable issues, although I'm not familiar enough with Chinese swearing to suggest a way around them. "肏国界" is certainly the most literal translation (perhaps this is what the old suggestion means by 曹?), perhaps the best as well. After all, the English version is also an imperative statement suggesting an absurd act. - Nat Krause 04:56, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I do believe you guys are being too literal about the colloquialism, because it needs to be short-and-sweet enough to be as a slogan as "fuck the border". I belive "国界去死" (border, go and die), or failing that "让国界去死" (let the border go and die), captures the essence best. Although the border is not a living entity and cannot die, "去死" is more connotatively equivalent to "go to hell" than a literal death.
 * As far as "肏国界", I have never heard "肏" used alone as a declarative verb, at least in my region (Zhejiang).
 * If the style of "打倒边界", or "Down with the Border", is to be used, then it should at least be changed to "打倒国界", for "national border". However, this style has, as have been previously mentioned, militant-rebellious overtones as opposed to the civil-disobedience-ignore that's intended.
 * And "国界是猪想出来的！" (Borders are thought up by pigs) Come on! It's too long to be an insult. It's sorta like lengthening "fuck the border" into "may the border have the opportunity to be fucked".
 * -- Znode (talk) 22:31, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

 * "肏国界" is the best one so far. I haven't lived in China for about 10 years, so I don't know if it captures the mood of the phrase. But it means "fuck the border". -- infinity 0 00:02, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

 * "borders are thought up by pigs" (closest approximation with any real insulting motive —Preceding unsigned comment added by Infinity0 (talk • contribs)

Redux
I was speaking to a Chinese guy on IRC, and I got this info, any comments?

http://88.96.32.194/~spectre/chinese.txt  these words can't be translated directly by cutting them from some full sentences  in different sentences (maybe like different suitation), they have different meanings,  first, the word "fuck" in english is a derogatory term yeah this is correct  but the first two words in 4 is usually a commendatory term  i can translate these two sentences word by word, maybe you can understand something ok  first: mother fucker, national border go to die  sec: mother fuck, national border can go to die ok so how would you personally translate it ?  chinese is not like english, one word can express varied meanings by putting in different sentences  first, it's more like an slogan, battle cry slogan is fine the english is a slogan too  it contain some commendatory emotion  first: mother fucker, national border go to die  sec: mother fuck, national border can go to die ^-- do these make sense can you understand what is meant by them?  yes, I know these two sentences more like some one is abusing abusing ? what?  abusing and offending people  e.g.  if someone offend me, and I am so angry then I will say "Fuck ***" ok so this is like "the national borders offend me, I am angry so "fuck the national borders"" <BTMAN> that should be the someone abusing others suitation <BTMAN> yup, in some way, you can understand like that <BTMAN> but, it's different suitaion in the sentence ONE ok, whats the situation there? <BTMAN> what is your opinion about this word "rebel" well, depends what its rebelling against :) rebelling against national borders is good <BTMAN> yup, rebelling for freedom for national for national borders or from national borders <BTMAN> yes, the first sentence is in that good suitation <BTMAN> for, not from ok <BTMAN> e.g. <BTMAN> I rebel for my country's independant, then I can say sentence ONE

I wasn't quite sure what "commendatory" meant and we couldn't quite crack it. If anyone wants to shed some light on this, cool :)

- FrancisTyers 23:46, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I believe he meant "complimentary" or similar (antonym of derogatory). -- Znode (talk) 22:15, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Filipino and Danish
As you might have noticed, I just corrected the Danish version. 'The Border' in Danish is 'grænsen' with a Danish æ. The Filipino version, should be changed to: Putang inang border na yan -- Stereotek 05:26, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Many thanks :) - FrancisTyers 07:25, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Confirmation on the Danish from a Dane here. Mikkel 19:15, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Serbian and Croatian
Well, you could've asked, but... :)

Serbian: Зајеби границу / Јебеш границу Zajebi granicu / Jebeš granicu

Croatian: Zajebi granicu / Jebeš granicu

"Zajebi" and "Jebeš" are in this context synonims of Serbo-Croatian. The difference is very subtle, but the message is same :) --Dejan Čabrilo 4 July 2005 20:44 (UTC)

 * Hey, thanks :) I thought I'd already asked you about it! I'll move those into Confirmed now. - FrancisTyers 5 July 2005 08:24 (UTC)
 * No probs... though, you can probably use only, e.g. "Jebeš granicu" for both. I mean, the whole point is "fuck the border" :) --Dejan Čabrilo 5 July 2005 09:00 (UTC)

Italian
Can i suggest to you a better translation for this sentence in italian? Maybe "Fottitene dei limiti" signify in a more clear and accurate way its meaning. Bye --Kal-El ☺ post here! 12:06, 24 July 2005 (UTC) (native italian speaker)

 * Thanks, I've updated the page :) - FrancisTyers 08:16, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm not a native speaker, but doesn't "confini" has a meaning closer to "state borders" ? I know it is always said "i confini d'Italia" for "Italian borders". bogdan ʤjuʃkə | Talk 08:36, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * You're right confini means "state borders" in italian, but we use confini also in figurative language to mean "limit" or "bound". That's 'cause i think a non literal - word for word - translantion is more exact and get the idea better. I hope to made myself clear and in correct language (i need more practice ^__^). Ciao --Kal-El ☺ post here! 15:46, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Ok, thanks :) - FrancisTyers 16:04, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

I confirm the Italian traslation "Fottitene dei limiti", it's perfect! --Timendum 16:18, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Hungarian
After talking with a friend online, the last hungarian suggestion was moved to "confirmed". The other two, for reference were: Francba a határokkal and Baszom a határokat . Apparently they all mean the same thing, but the last one is the one that he would think of first. Anyone who disagrees, mention it here :) - FrancisTyers 17:23, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

English
In English shouldn't it be "Fuck the Borders"? --Connel MacKenzie 08:34, August 20, 2005 (UTC)

 * Interesting point, and something I've been thinking about. The original page was conceived as a translation of the title of the Propagandhi song. However after reading the lyrics, it appears that although the content of the song does specifically attack all borders, the song seems to be about the Mexican-USA frontier in particular. Although in English, it works but perhaps slightly clumsily ("Fuck the Border" can be taken to mean any border) it does make things slightly confusing in other languages. Of course, if it were to be made plural, I'd probably have to drop the "the". "Fuck the Borders" doesn't sound quite right. I'd be open to suggestions. - FrancisTyers 18:54, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, perhaps because I've spent a lot of time in both Southern California and Republic of Ireland, I feel this way: "Fuck the border" is a much more evocative phrase than "Fuck the borders" or "Fuck borders". "The border" suggests an intimate acquantaince with a given border, a feeling that the border impinges on your life in a real and regrettable way, and you want the goddamn thing gone. "Fuck borders" sounds much more abstract and political, and not nearly so potent. But at the same time "fuck the border" does not exclude the possibility of broader political goals...it just suggests that those goals would be born of first hand experience, rather than out of a book. I say don't change it at all. Babajobu 04:13, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Right, it's a cry for freedom, and "fuck the border" serves that purpose good. --Dejan Čabrilo 07:11, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Dutch and Flemish
I've been speaking to someone online and apparently the second Dutch saying was better. Also, it would be the same in Flemish. I don't feel the need to add Flemish as a second language unless it is different, so unless someone knows a colloquial Flemish way of saying "fuck the border", I'll just leave the Dutch. - FrancisTyers 20:13, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Dutch or Flemish
Both are Dutch (or Flemish for that matter). Neither means fuck the border exactly, nor would these lines be (imho) the most logical choice for someone trying to translate fuck the border:

Literal translation:
 * Naar de hel met die godverdomde grens (Dutch) : The goddamned border should go to hell
 * De grens kan mijn kloten kussen (Vlaams) : The border can kiss my balls

My suggestion: Schijt aan de grens : (literal translation would be "shit to the border").

"Neuk de grens" would be a 1-on-1 literal translation, yet it would not be used in everyday Dutch, regardless of how much the person dislikes a border) 71.201.70.208 06:02, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Bengali
Spoken to someone from Bangladesh at a Norwich Anarchist Students meeting. Apparently the Bengali would be:

 * এশমআ ছএন ছএন

 * e sh maw ah  ch e n   ch e n (Transliteration into English)

Literally translating to "Border don't want don't want". Unfortunately it was written down in what I can assume is Bengali handwriting not block letters, so I've had to approximate it here. If anyone can confirm that its right/wrong I'd be very grateful. - FrancisTyers 15:19, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Ok, that was wrong (it's quite hard for me to transcribe from handwriting to "computer writing"), updated version;

 * ষকীমকাণকা চকাই চকাই

 * Hope its right this time :) - FrancisTyers 20:46, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Both of the above fragments don't mean anything in Bengali. Not even a single word of it, I'd guess someone pulled a joke on you here :D. Anyway, in Bengali, Border = সীমান্ত (To view the unicoded text in Bengali correctly, view them in a unicode compliant Pango-enabled firefox, or in IE). The pronunciation of সীমান্ত would be (she-maan-tow) (the t is a soft-t). Thanks. --Ragib 21:27, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I produced the above version by copy/pasting from the Bengali script page, so its quite likely I made an error ;) Thanks for the translation of border, is the "don't want don't want" correct, or would there be another way of writing/expressing it? Many thanks, - FrancisTyers 21:51, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Still working on trying to get the "don't want" part... - FrancisTyers 02:41, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

 * So I set up Bangla keyboard layout on my computer, with Ankur transliterated input and I got:

 * েপাাসোোলূদৈ মপাল মপাল

 * - FrancisTyers 18:51, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Unfortunately, the Bangla text still looks gibberish. :( --Ragib 20:38, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Not surprising :) Can you provide a complete translation? Would "Border don't want don't want" be the way it would be expressed in Bengali, or would there be an other way of expressing it? - FrancisTyers 20:59, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Ok, let me know what you exactly want? Something like "To hell with borders" or "we don't want borders"? --Ragib 23:49, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Both is good, ideally the more offensive the better, but anything that means "fuck the border", "down with borders", "destroy the borders", "against borders". In English, the "border" can be singular, in Bengali it might need to be plural as in French. The most important thing is the message :) e.g. in German: "shit on the border", in Armenian "to hell with the borders", in Hebrew "stick your cock in the border" etc. The best way in your language :) - FrancisTyers 08:30, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Ok, here you go: "পৃথিবীর সব সীমান্ত জাহান্নামে যাক" (a transliteration would be "Prithibeer shawb sheemanto jahannam a jaak": a translation would be "all the borders of the world go to hell". Thanks. --Ragib 09:39, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Awesome, thankyou very much :) - FrancisTyers 12:01, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

 * From my point of view, "পৃথিবীর সব সীমান্ত জাহান্নামে যাক" (May all the borders of the world go to hell) is the perfect translation in bangla, expressing the agitation correctly while keeping the soft and smooth nature of bangla laguage. I support this translation. Auyon03:42, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I support that. Amazing, I've been speaking Bengali for 18 years, and I'm still not sure if there's a word for "fuck". Oh well, we live and learn... it'll turn up. By the way, I'm changing Bengali to Bengali, if you don't mind. — riana_dzasta • t • c • e  • 15:50, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Kurdish
I've just inputted the Kurdish in the correct character set. This is a Kurdish from East Kurdistan and so is written in the arabic alphabet. The transliterated forms will be here for a record: Snoorakash (hudoodakash) bedje / Qoona soonrakat bedji - FrancisTyers 21:10, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

 * In Kurdish (Kurmancî) you might say "Navê sînoran nim." But I am not good in curses. --Erdal Ronahi 14:29, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks very much :) - FrancisTyers 16:09, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Bosnian
Just confirming that it would be "Jebeš granicu". Live Forever 07:17, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks, as I thought its the same as the Serbian and the Croatian and I can bet the Montenegrin and Zlatiborian are the same :) Instead of cluttering up the page with two versions of the same thing I'll just put both languages next to each other if thats ok by you? - FrancisTyers 14:38, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Discussion on livejournal
Here: http://www.livejournal.com/community/linguaphiles/2120037.html (Spanish, Icelandic, Norwegian, French, Tok Pisin) - FrancisTyers 20:00, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Ukrainian
For Ukrainian, I can offer "До холєри з границею" (transliterated Do kholiery z hranytseyu, literally "to cholera with the border"), which will probably sound quaintly archaic, at best, to anyone from Ukraine (I grew up in Canada, a son of Galician parents). Cheers. —Michael Z. 2005-12-27 06:07 Z

Malayalam
അതിര്ത്തി is border. നാശമ് is saying something is bad or you have negative feelings to it. informal. so നാശമ് അതിര്ത്തി. though i feel like a five year old saying it... making it plural. sounded better to me.

Awesome!
This is great! I didn't know you were a radical (you kept your mouth closed most of the time during our mediation on the anarchist page). That's a great song too. The Ungovernable Force 05:49, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Armenian
Գրողի ծոցը գնա սահմանը: (Armenian) This is more like 'Damn the border'; therefore, inaccurate and not even plural.

Քունեմ սահմանները: - I'll fuck the borders. Քունում ենք սահմանները: - We are fucking the borders. Քունենք սահմանները: - Lets fuck the borders. Քունի սահմանները: - This literally means fuck the borders, but is directed towards one person. Քունեկ սահմանները: - Fuck the borders, directed towards multiple people.

However, as another user told you already, the word fuck in Armenian is very taboo among average blue collar people and is mostly used by men, odds are if you use it front of a female you will be attacked by an angry mob :) --Eupator 18:42, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Czech
Zkurvené hranice. / Do prdele s hranicemi. Capitals start each sentence; else, confirmation on the Czech from a Czech here. Szozdakosvi (talk) 16:31, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Re: French & Romanian
Well, I'm not sure what to say... because for me, native Romanian speaker, Fuck the border & Fuck the borders is not the same thing! And the original is singular, not plural. But if several people told you it should be plural, so be it (they might be right & I might be wrong), so feel free to revert me! :) I didn't realize you were learning Romanian, but keep up the good work! If you've got some other things & I'm not around & nobody rereads them (but usually there is someone round the clock RC patrolling ;) feel free to add it on my user page (I've got a section with articles to proof-read (you'll see some marked with "strike", those have been read). --Vlad 01:40, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, you were completely right, and I was completely wrong! Thank you for taking the time to explain! Next time I'll try harder to grasp the concept instead of looking simply at the form and trying to translate it mechanically... On the other hand, being lazy, I've asked User:Orioane to revert my edit! --Vlad 19:36, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Estonian and Esperanto
The two E-languages are both correct. The Estonian translation literally reads "to the ass all borders", but that's the usual way of saying things in Estonian. :) The Esperanto is a literal version of the English and also OK. PeepP 21:19, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Urban Transylvanian
The Urban Transylvanian Romanian "Fute-ţi-ai graniţele!" is correct. Singural would be "Fute-ţi-ai graniţa". Ronline ✉ 12:00, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Lojban
I suggested the Lojban, "terkorgretro .i'enaicai.", which I translated myself. It literally means "extreme disapproval toward the controlled border (i.e., that-which-is-controlled-by-boundary-controllers)". See http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/korgretro. Note that the ' is pronounced like an "h", the c is pronounced like a "sh", and the periods are basically silent; everything else is basically the same as in the average European language (the e's are usually fairly short). - Nat Krause(Talk!) 23:59, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Welsh
The suggestions for a Welsh version on your page at the moment all border on gibberish. How about Twll din y ffin? It rhymes, it makes grammatical sense, and it deliberately recalls the rather wonderful slogan twll din y Cwîn I saw on a T-shirt once. [talk to the] H AM 18:18, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Tagalog / Filipino
Great list of translations! hah. For the Tagalog one, I would probably say putanginang border. Putangina is like puta madre (whore mother) in Spanish but it's the strongest and most commonly used cussword in Tagalog; so the meaning is like "fucking border." The first two translations you have are fine, but they include the demonstrative "that" (na yan) so "that fucking border. The first translation is a contraction of putangina while the last translation is missing a linker.

Another possibility is kesehoda ang border, which is derived from Spanish que se joda - but it seems to me that people over the age of 60 use this word. Also, if you prefer, the Tagalog word for border is hangganan, but people are more apt to use the English word. Also, I would label it as Tagalog rather than Filipino. --Chris S. 01:38, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

hindi
I would say the Hindi is correct, too. — riana_dzasta • t • c • e  • 15:53, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks :) - FrancisTyers · 16:29, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it's the first one, but then again, I haven't spoken Hindi in about 5 years, and it was sketchy even at the best of times :p So I'd sit on it. Still, I like where your list is going. — riana_dzasta • t • c • e  • 03:42, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Both are wrong. The correct one is "सीमा को चोदो" The addition of "ओं" "सीमाओंं" would mean a plural form of the word i.e. borders. Am not signing, coz its an insulting, trashy & unparliamentary word in hindi language, not used in a civil society.
 * Yes, it's naughty. Dx — riana_dzasta • t • c • e  • ER • 00:03, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Swedish
Skit i gränsen alright, although I'd rather say Åt helvete med gränsen - while that would literally translate to "To hell with the border", it's closer than the current literal translation "Shit on the border" (or something like that). Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 22:58, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

more Spanish

 * Que se joda la frontera [lit. may the border be fucked]
 * A la mierda con la frontera [lit. to shit with the border]

–Andyluciano 22:43, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

 * In Cuba we have no frontiers. Only water us apart from the rest of the world. And most of people can't flight or sail out by our political restrictions. By the way, when we refers to something that makes no odds, we shout, for example "Al diablo las fronteras" / "Pal' carajo las fronteras" / "Pa' la mierda las fronteras" (Note: "Pal" and "Pa" uses a lot in Cuba as acronym of "Para + spanish defined article" ZorphDark

 * I want to confirm this two: Me cago en la puta frontera / ¡Al diablo las fronteras! in spanish. My grandma is almost fluently in this language ;) She told me this one. --Їковскаждиньскй! Єкажднуваче... 06:04, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Latina
Fines perfutue. (N 3 3 NOM means signifies noun, 3rd declension, nominative case. PRES ACT IMP) signifies present tense, active voice, imperative mood.)--Josh Rocchio 23:30, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

 * What do you need more for confirmation? Phd students citing a highly reputable dictionary isn't enough these days?--Ioshus (talk) 03:30, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Persian, Pashto and Tajiki
The Persian and Pashto ones literally mean, Fuck the Border. I saw three unconfirmed Tajiki phrases, since I speak the same dialect, the first one I think is more correct which means, Fuck border. While the other two both mean, I've fucked border.

Casimiri 01:53, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I found an Iranian person here who confirmed that the last of the three versions in Persian is "Fuck the borders!". The first two looks more polite. :)

Finnish
Hello, nice page you got going here... I changed the offered Finnish translation ('Rajat vittuun') to a more correct one. 'Rajat vittuun' means sth akin to 'to hell with (all) the borders' whereas 'Vitut rajasta' refers to one single border (sth like 'I don't give a fuck about the border'). -- N eo fe lis N eb ul osa (моє обговорення)  07:52, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Hi, thanks for the input :) I'm actually probably looking for the plural. The idea of the phrase/slogan is "down with all national borders". So although in English, we can say "fuck the border (as an idea)" in the singular, it is not always the same with other languages. Should 'border' be singular or plural in Finnish? - Francis Tyers · 16:28, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * That would be Vitut rajoista. Trondtr 21:54, 9 January 2007 (UTC).
 * Hi, now that you told me what the idea behind the phrase is, the original (Rajat vittuun) is the most correct. So it should indeed be plural in Finnish. To me, Trondtr's offering doesn't mean the same, it's more like 'I don't give a fuck about the borders' (but it doesn't hold the idea that the person wants all borders to come down). Anyhow, I think this is excellent usage of Wikipedia space :), keep it up. -- N eo fe lis N eb ul osa (моє обговорення)  13:53, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Turkish
Hmm :)) "Sınırları sikerim".. I suppose that would be it.. Baristarim 19:17, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the input. For Turkish I currently have "Sınırları sikeyim" could you tell me the difference between that and "Sınırları sikerim" ? - Francis Tyers · 19:59, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Hi! "... sikeyim" is in the subjunctive mode. Indicates a wish to fuck the borders. But "... sikerim" is in the 'simple present tense' of Turkish. It indicates rather... hmm... that you have the capability, capacity (?), or 'habit' to fuck the borders. The latter mode ("... sikerim")is used also when threatening someone (Threatening to fuck the borders in this context.) Also note that in the Turkish version, 'border' part of the sentence is in plural form. I mean, it is literally "Fuck the borders!". The singular form is "Sınırı sikeyim!" And it becomes "X-Y sınırını sikeyim!" if you are talking about a particular border between two particular countries. Such as "ABD-Kanada sınırını sikeyim!" ("F. the US-Canada border"). But I think subjunctive mode with plural "borders" gives the sense better than all the rest. Sınırları sikeyim! Okan 18:42, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Greek
Γαμό τα σύνορα. english phonetics: gammo ta senora

(UNFanatic 20:57, 13 December 2006 (UTC))

Your spelling of the word for fuck as γαμό is incorrect. Γαμώ with the omega, means 'I fuck', and is used in Greek in such phrases as γαμώ το μουνί της μάνας σου (I fuck your mother's cunt), and the construction γαμώ____ (I fuck ____) is a lot more common than the imperative form γάμα ____ (fuck ____). So, my proposal would be Γαμώ τα σύνορα (I fuck the borders).

Koba Malvado —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.4.179.209 (talk) 10:49, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Your confirmation is slightly wrong. The proper wording should be "Γαμιούνται τα σύνορα" (The borders are -or better "should get" in the context that it is used- fucked) or the other proposed "Γαμώ τα σύνορα" (I fuck the borders). For me the more proper and following the slang should be the first. The second is sometimes used for positive meaning e.g. "[αυτός είναι και] γαμώ τα παιδιά" ([he is] a (fucking) great guy). But in any case you should omit the word "εθνικά" (national) because it adds an unnecessary ugly tone concerning someone's nationality/ethnicity whereas it's supposed to be someone's country so it doesn't even make proper sense in the context that it is used here. Also in relation to your post on anegdote.com, there is no ambiguity in the word "σύνορα", or more precisely not one that can be confused with the meaning of "limits" ("όρια"). It means border and in fact, if not clarified, the other speaker will instantly understand you're talking about the borders with another country, the moment you say the word, whereas one might be referring to property borders (e.g. on a piece of land) by the end of the sentence.85.74.228.215 (talk) 23:10, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

 * I have to agree with Koba Malvado on 'γαμώ τα σύνορα'. The use of 'γαμιούνται' is awkward, impersonal, and loses the revolutionary nuance of 'γαμώ', which is far more commonly used in the sense intended here.

Norwegian
Your listed "Til helvete med.."' doesn't quite translate the impact and feels dated, as suggestions of going to hell go.. I'd say Føkk grensa which is sufficiently strong, contemporary and rebellious ;)  — M URGH   disc.  12:07, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Thats presumably in the singular? Would that make sense as a statement in Norwegian? Also would it be the same in Bokmål and Nynorsk ? — I figure those are just written registers, but I'm not sure... - Francis Tyers · 17:29, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Yes, singular, but within the "street" realm of Bokmål only. It would make clear sense to most Norwegians alive today. While Nynorsk is exclusively written, it is close enough to several spoken dialects, but I don't know how this would be expressed. One so rarely catches them speaking remotely profane ;)  M URGH   disc.  20:53, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Québec French
I also confirm the Québec French to be correct, although there are some other words you could use as well. :) 142.157.197.221 18:33, 29 April 2007 (UTC) * Sorry, I wasn't logged in the above confirmation is from me. Basser g 18:38, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Romanian
Hm. What sounds most natural to me, and probably to most Bucharesters, is "Să mă fut pe graniţă" or "Mă fut pe graniţă"; there's also "Fute-m-aş pe graniţă", "Fute-m-aş pe ea de graniţă" (the latter takes some liberties with the grammar). Come to think of it, there is also "Fute-m-aş în ea de graniţă". There are more specific, more common, and sexually discriminatory ways of saying it - involving anatomical parts that slide into the border -, but that is probably overkill for what you are asking for here. (I didn't use the academic diacriticals, but I'm sure you can do the switch if you decide to add or change.) Dahn 22:29, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

 * If you are looking for the plural verison, which I guess reflects the "borders in general" idea better, it is, respectively: "Să mă fut pe graniţe", "Mă fut pe graniţe", "Fute-m-aş pe graniţe", "Fute-m-aş pe ele de graniţe", "Fute-m-aş în ele de graniţe". Dahn 22:52, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Man, this reads like I have Tourette's... Dahn 22:53, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Haha! :D - Francis Tyers · 07:04, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

More portuguese
One more in portuguese, very common in my city, Florianópolis and nearby cities:

Tô cagando e andando pra fronteira... (almost equal to spanish Me cago en la puta frontera)

I hope that this can be useful to you... Thnks! -- vonu sovef (wha?) 07:51, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Uzbek
I suppose Sik chegaralarni would be more correct (translated as Fuck the borders). Chegarani sikay is translated as I'd fuck the border. Abdullais4u (talk) 08:08, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Esperanto
It's probably not relevant anymore, but the Esperanto translation is a bit too literal in my opinion. I think it should be "Fek al landlimo". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.179.184.165 (talk) 08:57, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

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Operation Galaxia

Operation Galaxia (Operación Galaxia) was the codename given to the plan which preceded the 23-F attempted coup d'état in Spain. It was named Galaxia, because the officers who took part met in Cafetería Galaxia in Madrid (later known as Van Gogh Café, and as of 2019 is a Taco Bell), on 11 November 1978.

It was meant to take place on 17 November 1978, to stop the Spanish transition to democracy taking place at that time. That date was chosen because the King, Juan Carlos, would be away in South America. The three people in charge of the operation were Guardia Civil Lieutenant-Colonel Antonio Tejero, Major Ricardo Sáenz de Ynestrillas Martínez, and another colonel, whose name has not been revealed.

An Infantry Captain of the Police, and an Infantry Commander of the Army were present at the conversation, and informed their superiors of the plot.

On 8 May 1980, the two main suspects, Tejero and Ynestrillas Martínez, were court-martialled, and on their way, they were cheered by crowds with nationalist flags, but also insulted, which showed the division of Spain at that time. The attorney general asked for six years for Tejero, and five for Ynestrillas Martínez, but they were only given seven months and a day and six months and a day respectively, the minimum sentence. Neither of them lost their military rank, and Ynestrillas Martínez was later promoted to Commander (Major).

In 1986 Ynestrillas Martínez was assassinated by Euskadi Ta Askatasuna (ETA) along with Lieutenant-Colonel of the Infantry Carlos Vesteiro Pérez, and their driver Private Francisco Casillas. As the car they were travelling in approached Ynestrillas Martínez home on Avenida del Manzanares, Madrid on 17 June 1986 two members of ETA who had been lying in wait opened fire on the car killing all 3. Ynestrillas Martínez was 50 at the time of his death.

1981 attempt
Lieutenant-Colonel Tejero attempted another coup on 23 February 1981, in the middle of the voting by the deputies for the new Prime minister. He took over the Cabinet and lower house of Parliament with 200 men, holding 350 deputies hostage and announcing the constitution of a military junta. This became known as the 23-F coup.

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WeB
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Scribbly

Scribbly was a Dutch comic strip, created by Jan-Paul Arends. It ran daily in the Dutch edition of the Metro free newspaper from 1999 to 2010. Seven albums have been published containing the daily strips. The comic is known for its weird cast, and its tendency for parodying well-known films, books and famous people.

Cast

 * Scribbly is the eponymous protagonist. He is a schizophrenic and lives in an institute for people who are mentally disturbed.
 * Psychotron is Scribbly's super-hero alter ego, in a few strips where he deludedly wears a red cape, which allows him to think he can fly.
 * Frits is Scribbly's voice-inside-his-head.
 * Quibus is an animated sheet of paper who is usually Scribbly's friend.
 * Doctor Psilo leads the House for the Mentally Disturbed.
 * Zark is an extraterrestrial alien who looks like a giant pickle with an antenna. He can use the antenna for radio reception, remote control, as well as hearing Frits. He hails from planet Zortian II.
 * Kraz is Zark's brother. He lives on the same planet where Zark used to live.
 * Waverider is Zark's super-hero alter ego, who has no known powers.
 * Doe-ran is a haunting spirit, in the shape of a floating mask, that was initially summoned by Quibus to torment Scribbly. He is a powerful magician.
 * Draakje is a little dragon that doesn't talk and has a tendency of breathing fire at inconvenient moments. He barks just like a dog.
 * Olav is a huge man who is a porter at the House. He shouts a lot.
 * V-252 is a friendly robot from outer space with a television on his belly. He is married to another robot, and they have a toaster for a child.
 * H-Nibal is a huge killer robot from outer space, who was eventually defeated by D-2120.
 * Mildred is a nurse at the House, who keeps an eye on the patients using Meneer Pollepel.
 * Pollepel is a ladle with a drawn-on angry face. When used, he scares the patients.
 * Eddy is one of the newer patients in the House, and is a naughty baby duck. He likes wine, and drives around the house in a pink toy Cadillac.
 * Geestenclub are four ghosts who incidentally appear in the comics.
 * Flumpy is a huge bee, who is the mascot of the brand of cereal eaten in the House.
 * Giovanni is a shrimp, who is sometimes being drawn by Zark in an attempt to create a comic book. Giovanni lives in Garnaalsmeer.
 * Zen is a robot who thinks for himself, created by V-252.

Albums

 * 1) "Ik hoop dat die ene goeie erin staat" (I hope that good one is in here)
 * 2) "Ik snap ze nooit" (I never get them)
 * 3) "Doe maar iets creatiefs" (Make it something creative)
 * 4) "Daar moet je een stripje over maken" (You should make a comic about that)
 * 5) "De verzonken stad van Zahn-Luac" (The lost city of Zahn-Luac)
 * 6) "Een opsteker van jewelste" (A big stroke of luck)
 * 7) "Meer wafels, minder misdaad" (More waffles, less crime)
 * 8) "Het is maar een droom, jongen" (It's just a dream, son)
 * 9) "Absurdor"

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Talk:Donald Maclean (spy)

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Untitled
"Had Blunt learned of the impending questioning of Maclean, and warned Burgess that the time had come?" - this is the first mention of Blunt since the very beginning, when Maclean gets recruited. It's a confusing mention for anyone reading this through without prior knowledge of Blunt's story. Could someone expand this mention with details of what Blunt was up to, and why he would be in a position to tip off Burgess?

I am looking for a famly tree of Donald Duart Maclean. Can anyone help?
 * From Oxford Dictionary of National Biography v.35 (2004):
 * b. 25 May 1913, third of four sons and five children of Sir Donald Maclean (1864-1932), Liberal politician and cabinet minister, his wife Gwendolen Margerat, eldest daughter of Andrew Devitt JP of Oxtet Surrey.

 * Sir Donald Maclean's father was the elder of two sons of John Maclean (no dates), a master cordwainer native of the Hebrides; his mother Agnes Macmellin (1833-1924) was a Gaelic-speaking Scottish highlander. Both Presbyterians.

 * Entries are provided for both Donald & his father Sir Donald with sourcing. Nobs01 16:53, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Why in the world is "Soviet Spy" before his name every time it's mentioned, as if it were part of his name? Terrible writing, that.
 * Because for most people, the name alone is not enough to spark recognition. Failing to communicate with the majority of your readership is surely worse, no?

Maclean, his (? ex-)wife, and Philby
In "Life in the Soviet Union", it says Maclean and his wife were divorced and she married Kim Philby. In "Family", it says Maclean's wife began an affair with Kim Philby and went to live with him, making no mention of any divorce from Maclean. What’s the truth? Did the Macleans divorce or not? And if so, did she marry Philby or live with him as de factos? -- JackofOz 06:54, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I think I wrote that 'Family' section, Jack. Philby defected to the Soviet Union in 1963 and was joined in Moscow by his American wife Eleanor, whom he had been living with in Beirut. In 1965, Eleanor left Philby and returned to the US, where she died in 1968. Philby had begun an affair with Maclean's American wife Melinda (whose maiden name was Melinda Marling), probably in 1965. She left Maclean and went to live with Philby in 1968. However, they didn't marry and he left her for a much younger Russian woman called Rufina Ivanova, whom he married in 1971. Melinda Maclean is still alive and using the name Maclean. I believe the Macleans' marriage broke down rather than ending in divorce. Philby's four wives were: (1) Alice (Litzi) Friedman, m. 1934, divorced 1946; (2) Aileen Furse, m. 1946, died 1957; (3) Eleanor Brewer, m. 1959, died 1968; (4) Rufina Ivanova, m. 1971, still alive. Some of this is missing from the Kim Philby article, I'll update it. Xn4  21:43, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Thanks Xn4. Nice to run into a Ref Desk colleague out here in the trenches.  I'm seeing more and more - not just on WP but generally - separations being described as "divorces", and divorces being described as "annulments".  So it's not always easy to know exactly what people are talking about when they use these terms, hence my call for clarification.  If you have the facts and cites, I'm sure you're in a better position than me to edit the article to remove the terminological inexactitude.  Cheers.  --  JackofOz 22:08, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I've fixed it. Xn4  22:27, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

-How can Alexander Matthew Renick MacLean III be both his great grandson and his great grand nephew?

-Why does this article use so many commas? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.130.14.179 (talk) 11:27, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

All the articles on the Cambridge Spies suffer from 'crazy commas'. I assume the same person wrote the bulk of all the articles, and five attempts failed to produce a successful use of punctuation. BearAllen (talk) 01:43, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

British Intelligence
When did Maclean work for the MI5 or MI6? The article only mentions his government employment in the Foreign Office, without a word of any work for the MI5 or MI6 (although the infobox on the right alleges that Maclean was an MI5 agent). PasswordUsername (talk) 18:21, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Neither. Maclean worked for the Foreign Office, and through he is not the best known member of the Cambridge Five spy ring, he was the one who provided the most intelligence to the Kremlin. --A.S. Brown (talk) 15:48, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Paris
Are you kidding me? Who on earth thought using the script of a drama was eligible as a source for a serious article? And reproducing a made-up conversation verbatim? Just turns the whole thing in to a joke. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.106.47.26 (talk) 23:23, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Urgh, written like a book
Whow this article is bad. It reads like a story book.

"When Modin had recovered, he drew the half postcard from his pocket. Melinda immediately fell silent, reached across for her bag in the car, and produced the other half."

and lets not forget this beauty..

"But Melinda usually concealed her thoughts behind an expressionless look. "I will not admit that my husband, the father of my children, is a traitor to his country", she would say in outraged tones."

The use of such emotive and descriptive language feels so very odd and disturbing in this article. Is this normally allowed? 86.181.152.61 (talk) 01:32, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

His education
In the infobox, we have 'Greshams School' and 'Trinity Hall, Cambridge', both in red, while there are perfectly good links to the websites of both these acclaimed educational establishments. Valetude (talk) 22:00, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

LGBT?
In the Talk Page, this is classified under 'Start-Class LGBT articles' and 'WikiProject LGBT studies articles' -  but not on the main page. I don't understand why Maclean is classed at LGBT at all. Are you sure it isn't Burgess you're classifying? Valetude (talk) 23:15, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Maclean was a bisexual, and through you never know it from reading this article, he did have affairs with men as well as women. Of the Cambridge Five, Blunt and Burgess were gay, Caincross and Philby were straight and Maclean was a bisexual. Not that any of this really matters.--A.S. Brown (talk) 15:52, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if that's true, but why does that make this a LGBT article?--Jack Upland (talk) 20:52, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

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 * In his second year at Cambridge, his father died, afterwards marking a period of Maclean's embrace of Soviet Communism.

Why "afterwards"? What "period"? Hadn't Maclean already embraced Communism?--Jack Upland (talk) 22:15, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

his body was cemented
"his body was cemented"??

Would that be "cremated"? 88.3.12.13 (talk) 22:59, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes it would. Thanks for spotting that, I have corrected it. DuncanHill (talk) 23:12, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Spain under Franco

flag
Anyone got a free version of the "Una Grande y Libre" flag of spain during that era? I think it is required, as the Second Republic has its flag there. If anyone has it, please add it to the article. [Zespris - 14/6/05]

The statement that Spain was "the second most backward country in Europe" in the Spanish miracle section is a major value judgment. Something statistical like that it had the second lowest literacy rate, or the second lowest GDP in Europe should be provided, if either of those is true. "Backward" is a thin and insupportable description. Dave 19:11, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Proposal of an article about francoist repression
''Note: This thread has been copied from talk:Catalan negationism. As the article was requested for delete on Dec,16 2005 WP:AfD, but the thread was deemed interesant and more suited for this article, is has been brought here. Comments are welcomed''--Wllacer 12:34, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree that this article should be highly improved. I think that creating an article about Catalan repression under Francoism would be more interesting and suitable. This could also be a complement to current Spain under Franco. The different revisionist ideas could also be included in that article and also their legacy nowadays. There is much bibliography and info about that topic on Internet, but of course, it's also an amazing huge task. Toniher 13:30, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Wouldn't recommend an specific article for Catalonia for three reasons:
 * Unless some specifity (there are cases) is needed it's a worthless and decremental effort trying to separate catalan and spanish entries.
 * I'm requesting for help on the case of repression during and after the civil war, from both parties (see talk:Francisco Franco) as only the global study of political violence during and after the war (and even before) makes sense. From the info I have now, the only thing "special" about Catalonia is that francoist repression seems to have been relatively mild.
 * A separate article would be in theory nice. But due to the lack of consensus (or better said the extreme polarization) of the sources, its objectivity value (we are working on an encyclopedia) would be nil, so a few well measured sentences and references to the main scholary contestants, would be of more educational caracter. That's what i intend to do in Franco's article, and propagate them later on other relevant places. I find the topic extremely disgusting, and much more how it is treated nowadays in Spain. Is not a good moment to try to write cooly --Wllacer
 * Hi Wllacer. I agree with contributing in a more "general" way, in this case, in a Spanish context, when possible. I have recently found Language politics in Francoist Spain and this would also be an interesting place to add Catalan-related info. However, if there is relevant and enough quality information to make a specific Catalan related article, I see no problem doing this. I know polarization makes things difficult (let's say, vandalism, it's tiresome, etc.) but it may also enrich the NPOV of the article if properly managed. If we avoided some subjects because of that, we would end up ignoring too many things.
 * Well, all this above has been a little off topic. I would simply urge those who may have enough background on these topics, to help in all this Franco-related articles, as Wllacer is asking for. Toniher 17:13, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, basically we agree
 * The Language politics in Francoist Spain, a User:Error's idea will be a good sample of how such things can be done with a global view. Perhaps then an specific catalan article may then prove interesting (or not)
 * In case we were dealing with repression, and we decide to go the hard way (an article) i'd make it fuller (including not only francoist but also republican repression) and longer in time (eg. 1931-1947)
 * I believe Franco's repression after the war can not be fully, -but not only- understood without reference to the same during the war, and in turn it's imposible to understand how we went blood-crazy, without showing how the action-reaction spiral grew. The upper limit would coincide with the end of the "maquis", the last offshot of the civil war. Also i'd make it rather more general (incluiding  state violence, terrorism, street violence, uprisings, repression, religious persecution ...) and call it Political Violence in Spain (1931-1947).
 * The problem with it is that this plan fits the so-called revisionist agenda ... I need rather more thinking and discussion
 * As this article seems to be doomed, and i consider this thread most interesting, if you give me permision, I'll move it from your first entry downward, somewhere else, Spain under Franco suits you ? I'll also excise, if you don't mind, the "It's to late ..." paragraph.
 * --Wllacer 07:03, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Of course, if you think this may be useful, go ahead. Toniher 00:39, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

I think much more can be said on this article, but expanding it risks taking losing NPOV 195.57.80.67 22:27, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Questionable link
Should we really have the link for the documentary When Franco died we were 30? As far as I can see, the linked site has vey little information unless you are paying to view the film. - Jmabel | Talk 05:39, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I could be wrong, but isn't there a policy about linking to sites that you have to pay to use? Murderbike 20:51, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Merger With Spanish State
I think that Spain under Franco needs to be merged with the Spanish State article. One of the Spanish series links to the Spanish State article, while the History of Spain series links to Spain under Franco. Are these two articles not about the same thing? I would do the merger myself, but I don't really know how to do it. Suggestions? Oscabat 21:50, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

 * In the strict sense of the word, they should be two different articles: Spanish State would be more concerned with constitutional issues and type of regime, whereas "Spain under Franco" covers also economical issues (the "Spanish miracle"), cultural events (repression of regionalism, etc.). You could, however, merge it (see WP:MERGE) but I think others opinions would be good. The main reason for a merge would be to avoid a fork & duplicate content, but again, I think the two article covers different things. Tazmaniacs 16:10, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree with the idea of a merger. Spanish state is covering the entire history of the spanish state. Spain under franco is an historic period that certainly deserves its independent article.·Maunus· · ƛ · 19:32, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Good point Tazmaniacs. However, if that is the case, then there certainly needs to be a lot more work done on removing duplicate content, and enhancing the Spanish State article.  I disagree with you, Maunus, however, because the "Spanish State" was a title referring to the period under which Franco ruled (it even explains it in the article).  The second part of the article that discusses it's current day use is probably more for posterity and even has a different meaning.Oscabat 05:15, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

 * Hmm, it seems quite clear that Estado de España ("Spanish State," not "Spanish state") refers specifically to the regime that existed between 1939 and the Bourbon restoration (Reino de España), much as how l'État Français only ever signifies Marshal Pétain's Vichy-based regime, not the French "state" itself (la République Française). While our rote abhorrence of the Franco regime and ideology is quite understandable, the zeal with which we sometimes thunder away against any trace of Franco, pushing for bizarre piping and unnecessary disambiguation, is neither justified nor dignified. If anything, Spain under Franco should be merged into Spanish State, considering WikiProject Former countries's habit of using the autochthonous names of the period. Cheers, Albrecht 02:31, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Correct spanish denomination was Estado Español. Technically the merger is obvious. Both articles are refering to the same period (well there is an appendage in the "Estado" article not history but political lingo related not exactly matching). My only caveat is that the official denomination (Spanish State) is almost forgotten nowadays and its usage nowadays rather points to the "neospeak" term used by those for which the term Spain is taboo (as explained in the entry). Wllacer 19:52, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Decolonization
The chronological presentation makes it difficult to mention the gradual decolonization of Francoist Spain, contrasting it with the stubbornness of Portugal. --Error (talk) 19:43, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Several fixes needed in section "Franco's regime"
In the section "Franco's regime", I've added a number of tags to statements that are vague, un-cited, or weasel-ish. I did not do this simply to be troublesome -- I honestly believe that these need to be addressed. -- 201.37.229.117 (talk) 06:06, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Franco's legacy
The Legacy section starts with the sentence "In Spain and abroad, the legacy of Franco remains controversial". There is severe POV concern with this sentence, and trying to justify the numerous human rights violations carried out during Franco's regime. Neo-Nazis admire Hitler, and not all of them are fringes, in this way we can continue to add this kind of structure in all articles about mass-murderers.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 17:32, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

 * I personally believe that ityis uncontroversial to say that Francos legacy is controversial in Spain. However Otolemur apparently believes that one of the views (I guess the pro-Franco view) is too fringy to constitute actual controversy. He compares pro-franquism to German neonazism. In my experience Pro-Franquism is quite common in the Spain of today, especially among conservatives and catholics, and some opposition parties even vote against the current left governments motions to remove pro-franco monuments. I think it is quite fair to say that his legacy is controversial and not weaselish at all - as long as we say who holds the different views of Francos legacy. Can we discuss this please?·Maunus· ƛ · 17:33, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * By the way I agree that there are som Pro-Franco POv problems with the articles on Franco - mostly constituted by the fact that the negative view of Franco as a dictator and anti democrat is severely underrepresented. But to deny that there is a somewhat broad movement in favour of Franco in Spain of today is falsifying history as well.·Maunus· ƛ · 17:35, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The word "controversial" is unsourced. My point is that this sentence is trying to justify the mass-murder carried out by Franco. Do you know that the American neoconservative even do not view him as fascist? Yes, it is true. They firmly believe he was not fascist and a democratic ruler, the prove is here . But the view of some right-wingers and American neoconservatives is not going to alter what is truth.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 17:38, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not about the truth. It is about balance, neutrality and verifiability. In my understanding the word "controversial" simply means that there are differing opinions about something. You are obviously aware that there are different viewpoints - What you call "the truth" does not coincide with what is "the truth" to many spanish conservatives and apparently also some American ones. This means that wikipedia needs to show that both "truthes" (meaning of course viewpoints) exist and that there are indeed differing opinions about the nature of Franco's legacy. One word to show that there are different views is to describe his legacy as controversial. ·Maunus· ƛ · 17:53, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I am agree with the different viewpoints. I am also agree wikipedia is not about truth, and this is why many information in wikipedia is blatant lie because the sources it use are lies or the viewpoints it included are best to avoid for ethical purpose. But again wikipedia is not truth site, not about truth. But the word "controversial" is both unsourced and weasel wording. I will rather propose to rewrite the first sentence in this way - "he is considered to be a fascist dictator who formed a repressive regime, however there are positive views on Franco among right wing politicians". It will be much more neutral.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 17:58, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That much more weasely in my opinion - because it doesn't state who considers him a fascist dictator. I don't know what controversial means to you - but to me it only means that there are different opinions. So I don't understand how we can disagree about his legacy being called controversial when you acknowledge that there is more than one viewpoint. The fascist dictator part needs to be sourced and attributed to someone important - I am nearly certain that there is be some kind of statement to that effect made by the current leader of the Spanish government. That would be a good source for that view point. A good source for the opposing viewpoint would be if a pro-Franco opinion has been voiced by some of the leaders of the Spanish conservative opposition. Also it would be great to refer to some of the recent political debates in Spain such as the wording on the Fraco monument etc, and regulations about paying homage to the dead falangists.·Maunus· ƛ · 18:25, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Another problem is that, epithets and popular culture notwithstanding, Franco, although authoritarian, was not a fascist. Read the article...almost no scholars consider him such.  He does remain controversial.  Although he was a repressive dictator, many consider that he was preferable to alternative, a Stalinist style state that appeared to be emerging from the Republic when the civil war began. I think the sentance as it was was NPOV and acceptable.Mamalujo (talk) 19:16, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

WORLD WAR II

If I well remember, Franco besides sending soldiers to fight against Soviets, sent also soldiers to fight against Japan in the Philippines. Is it true? If it is the case, it should be mentioned as well. Thanks Arnaldo Mauri. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arnaldo Mauri (talk • contribs) 06:06, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Were the WWII volunteers fighting against communsim?
Under the WWII section, it says ...Franco did send volunteer troops to fight communism joining the Axis armies on the Eastern Front against the Soviet Union.... For someone to make this statement, which I highly doubt is true, they should cite it at least. I feel that this wasnt the case, since communism wasn't a big thing during the second world war and this phrase compromises the neutrality of the article. I suggest changing the word communism into Russian Army or something in that sense. Also, there should be a comma before the word "joining". JasonDomination (talk) 19:47, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

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Clarence Kolb

Clarence William Kolb, sometimes given as C. William Kolb, (July 31, 1874 – November 25, 1964) was an American vaudeville performer and actor known for his comedy routines that featured a Dutch dialect.

Biography

Kolb started out as one half of a vaudeville comedy team, Kolb and Dill, with Max Dill. They styled their act on the famous team of Weber and Fields. In addition to their stage work, they appeared in a series of short films and a feature-length movie in 1917. Afterwards, Kolb made a return to vaudeville, only returning to the movies in the late 1930s.

In 1935, Kolb left the act to work in films as a character actor, eventually appearing in 75 feature films. He became famous for portraying the same type of character in many films, namely, a politician or businessman. He is best remembered for his roles as the grumpy father in the multi-Academy Award-nominated hit comedy film Merrily We Live (1938), as the corrupt mayor in the comedy His Girl Friday (1940), and as Mr. Honeywell in the television sitcom My Little Margie (1952). Kolb played himself in his last movie appearance, Man of a Thousand Faces (1957), opposite Danny Beck (who played the late Max Dill).

On September 1, 1917, Kolb married dancer May Cloy (whose birth name was Mabel S. Larsen). They were still married when he died.

Kolb died at age 90 of a stroke at the Orchard Gables Sanitarium in Hollywood.

Partial filmography

 * A Million for Mary (1916) - Louie
 * The Three Pals (1916) - Louie
 * Bluff (1916) - Louie
 * Peck o' Pickles (1916) - Rudolph Schlitz
 * Lonesome Town (1916) - Louie
 * Glory (1917) - Louie Bohn
 * Beloved Rogues (1917) - Louie Vandergriff
 * Two Flaming Youths (1927) - Kolb - as Kolb and Dill
 * Fury (1936) - Durkin's Friend (uncredited)
 * After the Thin Man (1936) - Cousin Lucius (uncredited)
 * Maid of Salem (1937) - Town Crier (uncredited)
 * The Toast of New York (1937) - Cornelius Vanderbilt
 * Portia on Trial (1937) - John Condon
 * Wells Fargo (1937) - John Butterfield
 * Gold Is Where You Find It (1938) - Senator Walsh
 * Merrily We Live (1938) - Mr. Kilbourne
 * Give Me a Sailor (1938) - CaptainTallant
 * Carefree (1938) - Judge Travers
 * The Law West of Tombstone (1938) - Sam Kent
 * Honolulu (1939) - Mr. Horace Grayson
 * I Was a Convict (1939) - John B. Harrison
 * Society Lawyer (1939) - Mr. Leonard
 * It Could Happen to You (1939) - Alfred Wiman
 * Good Girls Go to Paris (1939) - Ted Dayton Sr.
 * Five Little Peppers and How They Grew (1939) - Mr. King
 * Our Leading Citizen (1939) - Jim Hanna
 * Beware Spooks! (1939) - Commissioner Lester Lewis
 * The Amazing Mr. Williams (1939) - Police Captain McGovern
 * His Girl Friday (1940) - Mayor
 * Five Little Peppers at Home (1940) - Mr. King
 * The Man Who Talked Too Much (1940) - E.A. Smith
 * No Time for Comedy (1940) - Richard Benson
 * Tugboat Annie Sails Again (1940) - J.B. Armstrong
 * Michael Shayne, Private Detective (1940) - Brighton
 * Caught in the Draft (1941) - Col. Peter Fairbanks
 * Blossoms in the Dust (1941) - Texas Senator T.R. Cotton (uncredited)
 * Nothing But The Truth (1941) - Mr. Van Dusen
 * The Night of January 16th (1941) - Tilton
 * Bedtime Story (1941) - Collins
 * You're in the Army Now (1941) - General Winthrop
 * Hellzapoppin' (1941) - Andrew Rand
 * True to the Army (1942) - Gen. Marlowe
 * The Sky's the Limit (1943) - Harvey J. Sloan (uncredited)
 * The Falcon in Danger (1943) - Stanley Harris Palmer
 * True to Life (1943) - Mr. Huggins
 * Standing Room Only (1944) - Glen Ritchie
 * Irish Eyes Are Smiling (1944) - Leo Betz
 * Something for the Boys (1944) - Colonel Grubbs (uncredited)
 * Three Is a Family (1944) - Mr. Steele
 * What a Blonde (1945) - Charles DaFoe
 * Road to Alcatraz (1945) - Philip Angreet
 * The Kid from Brooklyn (1946) - Mr. Austin
 * White Tie and Tails (1946) - Mr. Arkwright
 * The Pilgrim Lady (1947) - Prof. Rankin
 * Lost Honeymoon (1947) - Mr. Evans
 * Fun on a Weekend (1947) - Quigley Quackenbush
 * The Hal Roach Comedy Carnival (1947) - Cornelius Belmont Sr., in 'Fabulous Joe'
 * The Fabulous Joe (1947) - Cornelius Belmont, II
 * Blondie in the Dough (1947) - J.T. Thorpe
 * Christmas Eve (1947) - Judge Alston
 * Impact (1949) - Darcy
 * Adam's Rib (1949) - Judge Reiser
 * The Rose Bowl Story (1952) - 'Gramps' Burke
 * Shake, Rattle & Rock! (1956) - Judge McCombs
 * Man of a Thousand Faces (1957) - Clarence Kolb (final film role)

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Talk:Linköping

Linköping Municipality or just Linköping?
Why is this page at "Linköping" only, when other Swedish cities of almost the same size and of similar age is at "X Municipality"? Compare with Västerås Municipality and Norrköping Municipality. I think it makes sense to cover the the municipality and the city proper in the same article, and I can see the reasons for Stockholm, Gothenburg, Malmö and Uppsala being exeptions from the "X Municipality" principle for article naming, due to their size and international name recognition. But I think the cutoff point should be before Linköping rather than after it. / Alarm 14:50, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Government in infobox
Government information was recently added to the infobox; should it be removed? The entity that is discussed in this article is not a political one and has no government. Its population does constitute the majority of Linköping Municipality but they are not equal. The fact that we call the entity discussed here a city while it's the leader of the municipality that is styled mayor confuses things a little. -- Jao 18:37, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Lkpg
I removed this alleged "nickname" - it's just a space-saving abbreviation sometimes used in writing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Orcoteuthis (talk • contribs) 15:41, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Lkpg
Linköpings kommun har tre slags internationella relationer med orter i Europa eller i andra delar av världen. Orterna i de nordiska länderna benämns ”vänorter”. Samverkan med dessa har grundlagts av Föreningen Norden.

De övriga samarbetsorterna är av två slag; dels systerorterna, där relationerna byggts upp och sköts av kommunens systerortsförening och dels samverkansorterna med vilka kommunen slutit avtal om samarbete. Vänorter och andra samarbetsorter

Kommunen har samarbete med fyra vänorter i de nordiska länderna. Dessa är Tönsberg i Norge, Isafjardarbaer på Island, Roskilde i Danmark och Joensuu i Finland.

Linz i Österrike, Kaunas i Litauen samt Guangzhou och Macau i Kina är de orter med vilka kommunen tecknat särskila avtal om samarbete. Tidigare var också Oradea i Rumänien en samverkansort, med vilken kommunen samverkade kring ett demokratiprojekt. Systerorter

Bland systerorterna har kommunen och systerortsföreningen regelbunda kontakter främst med Palo Alto i USA. Med de övriga systerorterna Esteli i Nicaragua, Morogoro i Tanzania och Pietra Santa i Italien har kontakterna varit av betydligt mindre omfattning.

Samtliga dessa är orter med mycket olika förutsättningar.

Den ökade internationaliseringen och EU-medlemskapet har skapat nya förutsättningar för internationell samverkan. Det har blivit allt vanligare med flexibla partnerskap kring konkreta frågor i stället för fasta avtal under lång tid. Samverkan baseras då ofta på den direkta nyttan för olika verksamheter i de samverkande orterna.

http://www.linkoping.se/Om-kommunen/Utveckling-och-samverkan/Internationellt-samarbete/Vanorter/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.170.149.226 (talk) 00:50, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

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Pronounciation
I am confused by the English pronunciation guide. Based on the IPA, and experience at work (the company I work for has offices in Linkoping), I would put say it is pronounced more like "" than "" as suggested in the article. Is there really supposed to be an r sound in there? GiovanniSidwell (talk) 14:26, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

What you're focussing on is probably the vowel sound - also, the "Linköpingans" pronounce the name differently than the rest of the country. They do the "linn-SHE(r)P-ing", where the rest of us do "LEAN-she(r)p-ing". You are correct, there is no r sound, but the vowel sound itself is closer to the vowel in "sherp" than the vowel in "shop". As a second point, the "sh" sound is closer to the "ch" from "churn" than the sound from either "shop" or "sherp". So "LEAN-chu(rn)-ping" might be closer, using the three English words "lean", "churn" and "ping" would probably best describe the general Swedish pronunciation. 130.239.144.254 (talk) 12:51, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Leoncopung
In the "Gutasagen" says "Sithan en gutar wendus withr cristindom tha sentu thair sendibutha til hoygsta biscups i leoncopungi" There the name is Leoncopung, copung meaning tradearea or tradecenter. Leon looks like "lion" but could it be Linum "Lin" and then the Linköping could mean "Línkaupangur" but kaupangur is somewhat common in icelendic, and "lín" also although lín or flax was not common to produce or grow in Iceland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ivarara59 (talk • contribs) 22:22, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

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Bone spavin

Bone spavin is a bony growth within the lower hock joint of horse or cattle. It is caused by osteoarthritis, and the degree of lameness that results can be serious enough to end a horse's competitive career.

Description
Bone spavin is osteoarthritis, or the final phase of degenerative joint disease (DJD), in the lower three hock joints. It usually affects the two lowest joints of the hock (the tarsometatarsal and the distal intertarsal joints), with the third joint, the proximal intertarsal, being the least likely to develop bone spavin. This condition has various types: jack spavin when lesion on the tarsal and carpal bones is large, and high spavin when the pathology occurs higher in the joint than is typical. Conversely, occult spavin does not produce any significant exostoses on the small tarsals, whilst bog spavin and blood spavin do not involve bony changes.

Cartilage compression
Excessive compression can cause, over time, the cartilage between the upper and lower surfaces of the lower tarsal bones to become compressed and eroded. The joint spaces then become smaller, and new bone growth may occur in the area.

Uneven loading
Uneven loading causes excessive compression of the cartilage and bone on one side, and strain in the joint capsule and supporting ligaments on the other side. When the joint is repeatedly overloaded on the edge of its surface, exostoses, or "bone spurs," occur. Strain of the supporting ligaments can cause exostosis around the joint as well.

Contributing factors
There are several conformational defects that contribute to bone spavin. Those that cause uneven loading of the hocks, such as sickle hocks and cow hocks, are especially noteworthy. Poor trimming or shoeing can also contribute to bone spavin in any horse, no matter what their conformation.

Certain types of activities may also contribute to uneven or repeated loading of the lower hock joints, and thus bone spavin. These include sports that require a great deal of hock flexion (dressage), stress (jumping), sudden stops or turns (western events, such as reining), or a great deal of concussion (Standardbred racing).

"Juvenile spavin" is the occurrence of bone spavin in horses less than 3 years old. It usually occurs before the animal has done much work. While osteochondrosis lesions are the likely cause in some cases, this condition can also occur secondary to the distortion of the cuboidal bones which can occur in premature or dysmature foals.

Typical signs
Initially, signs of bone spavin may include sporadic and vague hindlimb lameness. Some horses may become uncomfortable in one lead, or may demonstrate stiffness walking downhill.

In many cases lameness worsens, becoming more obvious and consistent. Advanced cases may have a bony swelling on the hock, typically on the inside of the joint. Lameness, although usually worse in one leg, is commonly bilateral.

The affected limb usually lands toe-first, wearing down that foot faster than the other. The affected limb usually has a shorter, lower arc than the other foot, as the horse is trying to reduce the painful flexion of the joint, so the leg appears to drag.

A flexion test of an affected limb often produces a temporary worsening of the lameness. Such a response to a flexion test would support the diagnosis of bone spavin. A flexion test involves holding the hock in forced flexion for a period of time before trotting the horse away immediately.

Diagnosis
A provisional diagnosis of bone spavin should usually be supported by further investigation in order to confirm the diagnosis.

X-ray
Typical radiographic changes include spurs, new bone, bone destruction and/or joint narrowing or loss.

Intra-articular local anaesthesia
Anaesthesia of an affected joint is a more definitive way of confirming the presence of pain arising from that joint. Introduction of local anaesthetic into a joint should abolish or at least significantly lessen the lameness. This technique is not absolutely specific, as the distal pouches of the tarsometatarsal joint are immediately adjacent to the suspensory ligament. This means that anaesthetic in the tarsometatarsal joint can occasionally desensitize pain arising from suspensory ligament, giving the false impression that joint pain has been abolished.

Scintigraphy
Scintigraphy (bone scan) can help to differentiate between suspensory origin desmitis and bone spavin.

Treatment
Bony changes of the lower hock joint are irreversible. It is possible, however, to manage the problem and thereby slow the progression of the bone spavin, ease the pain, and control the lameness. Surgery is an option for horses that do not respond to conventional treatments.

Medications
NSAIDs, or non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, may help improve the lameness in the horse. However, it is important to note that high doses of NSAIDs given over several days can cause kidney damage, as well as ulcers. NSAIDs may also be illegal in competition, so it may be necessary to stop treatment with NSAIDs several days before the horse competes.

Corticosteroid injections into the lower hock joints may solve the lameness of the horse for several weeks or months. Unlike other joints, the drugs can be repeatedly injected into the lower tarsal joints as needed. Again, it is important to check association rules to see if corticosteroids are not allowed in competition, so that they may be discontinued before the horse competes.

Tiludronic acid, a bisphosphonate, tradenames Tildren and Equidronate (UK) has demonstrated to be beneficial in the treatment of bone spavin. It is administered by slow infusion (30 mn) mixed with saline.

Other joint medications, like hyaluronic acid and Adequan, may help alleviate the pain if the horse has mild bone spavin. However, they are less useful for treating moderate of severe cases. MSM may also help horses with moderate bone spavin.

Shoeing
Proper shoeing is critical in the management of a horse with bone spavin. Shoes most helpful for these horses include shoes that assist in breakover (like a square or rolled toe, or shoes with wedge pads). Shoes with heel support may also help horses with bone spavin, such as egg bar shoes. A set toe can be applied to protect the toe from increased wear, as lack of flexion in the hock will cause the horse to drag its toe. A trailer or lateral extension can be fitted to prevent an axial swing developed by the horse, allowing the horse to make contact with the ground earlier and prevent rotation within the hock. Each case of bone spavin should be shod independently depending on the severity of the case and the horses needs, there is not a specific shoe to be applied.

Exercise and work
It is best for a horse with bone spavin to be exercised daily. Preferably, this should be ridden or driven work, as round pen or longeing exercise places uneven stress on the joint. Pasture turnout may not be beneficial if the horse does not move much.

It is best to decrease the intensity of the workload for a horse with bone spavin. However, even with careful management, bone spavin will progressively get worse, and the animal may not be able to continue at the level of competition it was first used for once the lameness is consistent. Many horses can still be successful in a less-strenuous career. Light exercise is better than no exercise at all, and a change of career may prolong the horse's useful life.

Surgery
Fusion of the joint with bone may end the lameness, as the joint has then become stable. However, this may take several years, or never occur. In these cases, surgery may be an option.

Some of the joint cartilage is destroyed with a drill bit or a laser, and the holes are sometimes filled with bone grafts.

The veterinarian may also inject a caustic agent into the joint to destroy the cartilage, as opposed to drilling the joint. After the procedure, the horse will be lame for weeks or months, until the joint has fused.

Exercise can help accelerate the fusion of the bones, so the horse may be hand-walked after the injection. NSAIDs are usually given to ease the pain.

Prognosis
The prognosis for bone spavin varies, depending on several factors including:

 * the number of joints involved
 * the severity of the bony changes within these joints
 * how quickly the horse's condition is worsening
 * what the horse is used for

Most horses cannot continue at a high-level of competition for long. However, many horses can continue happily for use as a trail or pleasure horse, or for light work.

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Useful link : www.orlikprints.com

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Thorpe

Thorpe is a variant of the Middle English word thorp, meaning hamlet or small village.

Thorpe may refer to:

People

 * Thorpe (surname), including a list of people with the name

England

 * Thorpe, Cumbria
 * Thorpe, Derbyshire
 * Thorpe, East Lindsey, Lincolnshire
 * Thorpe, East Riding of Yorkshire
 * Thorpe, North Yorkshire
 * Thorpe, Nottinghamshire
 * Thorpe, Surrey
 * Thorpe by Trusthorpe, Lincolnshire
 * Thorpe by Water, Rutland, East Midlands
 * Thorpe Hamlet, Norwich, Norfolk
 * Thorpe Hesley, South Yorkshire
 * Thorpe in Balne, South Yorkshire
 * Thorpe in the Fallows, Lincolnshire
 * Thorpe Latimer, Lincolnshire
 * Thorpe-le-Soken, Essex
 * Thorpe le Street, East Riding of Yorkshire
 * Thorpe-next-Haddiscoe, Norfolk
 * Thorpe on the Hill, Lincolnshire
 * Thorpe on the Hill, West Yorkshire
 * Thorpe St Andrew, Norfolk
 * Thorpe St Peter, Lincolnshire
 * Thorpe Tilney, Lincolnshire
 * Thorpe Waterville, Northamptonshire
 * Thorpe Willoughby, North Yorkshire

Elsewhere

 * Thorpe, Missouri, a community in the United States

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