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Jackie Leven

Jackie Leven (18 June 1950 – 14 November 2011) was a Scottish songwriter and folk musician. After starting his career as a folk musician in the late 1960s, he first found success with new wave band Doll by Doll. He later recorded as a solo artist, releasing more than twenty albums under his own name or under the pseudonym Sir Vincent Lone.

Biography
Leven started his musical career in the late 1960s under the pseudonym John St Field, and recorded one album, Control, in 1971 which was released only in Spain in 1973.

He formed the band Doll by Doll in 1977. They released four albums between 1979 and 1982. After Doll by Doll disbanded in 1983, Leven began a solo career. He suffered a street assault and near strangulation during the recording of his first solo album in 1984, which left him unable to speak for nearly two years. During this time he became addicted to heroin. He also collaborated with fellow ex-Doll by Doll members Joe Shaw and David Macintosh, plus ex-Sex Pistol Glen Matlock to release the single "Big Tears" under the band name Concrete Bulletproof Invisible. The record was a Melody Maker single of the week in 1988.

Leven eventually cured himself of his addiction with the help of his wife Carol, through a combination of acupuncture and psychic healing. This led him to form The Core Trust organisation, which favours a holistic approach to the treatment of heroin addiction.

In 1994, Leven's solo career restarted with the release of the mini-album Songs from the Argyll Cycle and the full-length album The Mystery of Love is Greater than the Mystery of Death, now signed to Cooking Vinyl and recording in the folk rock style. After that he released fifteen albums, including a joint album with crime writer Ian Rankin, Jackie Leven Said, with multi-instrumentalist Michael Cosgrave. In addition to his broader commercial releases, he released a number of limited edition, fanclub-only live albums through the Haunted Valley fanzine and website.

In 2006, Leven released the album Songs For Lonely Americans using the pseudonym "Sir Vincent Lone". A second Sir Vincent Lone CD, When The Bridegroom Comes (Songs For Women), was recorded a year later. Initially sold only at live shows, it proved so successful that it eventually saw commercial release by Cooking Vinyl.

Leven wrote about the "Sir Vincent" pseudonym:"Some years ago I noticed that I was writing a lot more songs than I was ever going to record and get released, especially in these times where you can only release one studio album every eighteen months. As I am a writer of genius, this began to worry me more and more. So I went to see my Cooking Vinyl boss, Martin Goldschmidt, to ask him if I could make more records. He said no. I said to him 'look, The Beatles once released four albums in one year, and nobody said to them, hey that's too many records in one year'. Martin said 'Jackie, this is not 1967 and you are not The Beatles'. We talked some more and we agreed that I could make records under a different name – that name is Sir Vincent Lone."

Leven's next album, Lovers at the Gun Club was released in 2008; followed in 2009 by a third Sir Vincent Lone record (Troubadour Heart) plus four instalments of The Haunted Year under his own name: twofers of eight albums previously released through The Haunted Valley. Gothic Road was released in 2010, followed in September 2011, two months before his death, by Leven's final studio album, Wayside Shrines and the Code of the Travelling Man, a collaboration with Michael Cosgrave.

Death
Leven died on 14 November 2011, aged 61, of cancer. Leven had been due to perform at the Green Hotel in Kinross for Mundell Music on Friday night 18 November.

As John St Field

 * Control (1971) – initially released on a Spanish label, reissued in 1997 by Cooking Vinyl, again reissued in 2001 by Cooking Vinyl as part of the Great Songs From Eternal Bars 4CD-set

As a member of Doll by Doll

 * Remember (1979), Automatic
 * Gypsy Blood (1979), Automatic
 * Doll By Doll (1981), Magnet
 * Grand Passion (1982), Magnet
 * Revenge of Memory (Live at The Sheffield Limits Club 1980) (2005), Haunted Valley

As a solo artist

 * "Love is Shining Down (On Me)" (1983) 12" single – 45RPM, Charisma Music Publishing, Virgin Records UK ** The Famous Charisma Label
 * "Uptown / Tropic of Cool" (1984) 12" and 7" single, Charisma

Commercial releases

 * Songs from the Argyll Cycle EP (1994), Cooking Vinyl – Scotland only release
 * The Mystery of Love Is Greater Than The Mystery of Death (1994), Cooking Vinyl
 * The Right to Remain Silent: the Mystery Supplement EP (1994), Cooking Vinyl
 * Forbidden Songs of The Dying West (1995), Cooking Vinyl – reissued as part of the Great Songs From Eternal Bars 4CD-set (2001)
 * The Argyll Cycle, Volume One (1996), Cooking Vinyl
 * Fairytales For Hardmen (1997), Cooking Vinyl – reissued as part of the Great Songs From Eternal Bars 4CD-set (2001)
 * Night Lilies (1998), Cooking Vinyl
 * Defending Ancient Springs (2000), Cooking Vinyl
 * Creatures of Light And Darkness (2001), Cooking Vinyl
 * Great Songs From Eternal Bars (2001), Cooking Vinyl
 * Shining Brother, Shining Sister (2003), Cooking Vinyl
 * For Peace Comes Dropping Slow (2004), Cooking Vinyl
 * Songs For Lonely Americans (2006), Cooking Vinyl – as 'Sir Vincent Lone'
 * Jackie Leven Said (2005), Cooking Vinyl – with Ian Rankin
 * Elegy for Johnny Cash (2005), Cooking Vinyl
 * Oh What a Blow That Phantom Dealt Me! (2007), Cooking Vinyl
 * When the Bridegroom Comes (2007), Cooking Vinyl – as 'Sir Vincent Lone'
 * Chip Pan Fire – Jackie Balfour (2007), Cooking Vinyl
 * Lovers at the Gun Club (2008), Cooking Vinyl
 * The Haunted Year – Winter (2009), Cooking Vinyl
 * The Haunted Year – Spring (2009), Cooking Vinyl
 * Troubadour Heart – Sir Vincent Lone (2009), Cooking Vinyl – as 'Sir Vincent Lone'
 * The Haunted Year – Summer (2009), Cooking Vinyl
 * The Haunted Year – Autumn (2009), Cooking Vinyl
 * Gothic Road (2010), Cooking Vinyl
 * Wayside Shrines and the Code of the Travelling Man (2011), Cooking Vinyl – with Michael Cosgrave
 * Heroes Can Be Any Size (2012), Cooking Vinyl: Cover-mounted CD with March 2012 issue of The Word, also commercially available

Fanclub-only releases

 * For Peace Comes Dropping Slow (1997), Haunted Valley – reissued by Cooking Vinyl (2004)
 * Saint Judas: When I Went Out to Kill Myself (1998), Haunted Valley
 * Man Bleeds in Glasgow (1999), Haunted Valley – as Jackie Leven and the Celtic Soulmen – reissued by Cooking Vinyl as The Haunted Year – Spring (2009)
 * The Wanderer (1999), Haunted Valley- reissued by Cooking Vinyl as part of the Great Songs From Eternal Bars 4CD-set (2001)
 * Greek Notebook (1999), Haunted Valley – reissued by Cooking Vinyl as The Haunted Year – Autumn (2009)
 * Munich Blues (2000), Haunted Valley – reissued by Cooking Vinyl as The Haunted Year – Winter (2009)
 * Deep In The Heart of Nowhere (2001), Haunted Valley – reissued by Cooking Vinyl as The Haunted Year – Summer (2009)
 * Barefoot Days (2002) – reissued by Cooking Vinyl as The Haunted Year – Summer (2009)
 * Greetings From Milford (2002), Haunted Valley – with The Stornoway Girls – reissued by Cooking Vinyl as The Haunted Year – Spring (2009)
 * Men in Prison (Live from Bergen Prison) (2003), Haunted Valley – reissued by Cooking Vinyl as The Haunted Year – Winter (2009)
 * Only The Ocean Can Forgive  (2003), Haunted Valley – reissued by Cooking Vinyl as The Haunted Year – Autumn (2009)
 * One Long Cold Morning  (2011)

Other releases

 * The Meeting of Remarkable Men (DVD) (2005), Cooking Vinyl
 * Live at Rockpalast (DVD) (2011), Intergroove Media GmbH

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Talk:Dutch Mission

Completely revised article
This appears to have been (badly) translated from some language. I can't work out what it is about, otherwise I would have a go at putting it into better english.

It looks like a - really, really bad - translation from Dutch. I will try to improve the translation, but won't make any alterations, because I don't know much of this subject. –Goingin 15:10, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I tried to just correct the translation of the previous version, but it was just so bad, I just revised the entire article. It contains the basic information of the Dutch Mission, and I think it's much, much better now. –Goingin 16:14, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Lists of bishops
I think that this article, as well as the related articles found in the relevant discussion box above, can be improved by: Please comment in Talk:Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Utrecht to centralize the discussion. –BoBoMisiu (talk) 20:13, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * moving all the lists of bishops and administrators during the period of the missions into either Dutch Mission or List of apostolic vicars and officials of the Dutch Mission, as is done in the corresponding article in the Dutch Wikipedia

Requested move 26 November 2018

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved (page mover nac) Flooded  with them hundreds  18:36, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Holland (Batavia) Mission → Dutch mission – Simplicity. Noun. Chicbyaccident (talk) 18:02, 26 November 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. bd2412  T 00:03, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose Dutch mission would be Dutch preachers somewhere anywhere, there must be a more accurate name. "The Holland Mission or Dutch Mission (Dutch: Hollandse Zending or Hollandse Missie) (1592 – 1853) was the common name of a Catholic Church missionary district in the Low Countries during and after the Protestant Reformation." ...some more thought please. In ictu oculi (talk) 22:24, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Although I don't see why it isn't called Holland Mission (which redirects to it). And it's a proper name, so the capitalisation is fine. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:19, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

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Talk:Stedelijk Museum Amsterdam

So where is it right now?

 * The Stedelijk had been temporarily relocated from its old Museumplein venue to the Oosterdokskade 3–5, just east of the Central Station.

Has or had? The website for the museum seems to suggest it's not opening at Museumplein till 2009. So is the first para of this article wrong? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.207.242.163 (talk) 14:07, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Issues
After reading the article I was under the impression that a large part of the article was written by someone from the museum. Looks like my assumption was correct. Parts are not very neutral and not source. This article needs some attention. Multichill (talk) 13:47, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree, barely any of the sections have proper references, and several sections should be rewritten into a more encyclopedic style. – Editør (talk) 14:26, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I have removed some of the unsourced sections and I've added some clean-up templates. – Editør (talk) 13:36, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Criticism
-- Michael Bednarek (talk) 00:45, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Kimmelman, Michael (23 December 2012). "Why Is This Museum Shaped Like a Tub?". The New York Times. "Offhand I can’t recall seeing a more ridiculous looking building than the new Stedelijk Museum" -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 00:45, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

 * Hawthorne, Christopher (28 September 2012). "Review: Stedelijk Museum's 'bathtub' awash in awkwardness". Los Angeles Times. "It's getting from the city outside to the artwork that's the problem, since it requires not only confronting the antiseptic enormity of the bathtub but also the awkward manner in which the new wing relates to the Museumplein."

Eas295 (talk) 18:27, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Cornell University Student Project
We are seniors at Cornell University who will be editing this article for personal interest as well as for a class assignment. Our class is called "Online Communities". You can see our course page here.

Group Members: Emily Schuit Ian de Vries Santiago Cruz

Emily is a design student who has visited the museum and has personal photos to share. She also did a case study about the logo design. Ian is from Amsterdam, speaks Dutch, and has spent some time at the Stedelijk growing up nearby. Santiago has the technical expertise, having done a similar project before.

Specifically, we plan on targeting the following areas: -Walking through the history of the logo design -Detailing the current logo design, including who designed it and their intent, as well as recognition the new design has received -Discussing the overall branding strategy used -Adding images of the museum (primary sources from personal photographs: exterior, interior, and collateral) -Provide a more neutral point of view -Talk about the controversy surrounding the 'bathtub'

Initial list of references: http://www.stedelijk.nl/en/news-items/new-visual-identity-by-mevis-en-van-deursen http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/24/arts/design/amsterdams-new-stedelijk-museum.html?_r=0 (many more recent sources than the ones currently listed)

+Cornell University library resources

Division of labor: We plan on working on the majority of these tasks together. Emily- Speak more to logo and brand components Ian- Cultural perspective Santiago- Technical contributions

Eas295 (talk) 20:59, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

 * Feedback from Prof. Leshed
 * Seems like you have chosen an interesting project and that you are a well-rounded team to take on the challenge - good job!
 * A few suggestions:
 * Be careful with using the Stedelijk website as a source - referencing the website that is closely related to the article content might be considered promotional. Instead use secondary sources. The NY Times article is more appropriate.
 * Look up the Dutch website and see if its content is more elaborate than the English article. If so, you could translate some of the Dutch article into the English article, especially given that Ian speaks Dutch.
 * Happy editing! LeshedInstructor (talk) 02:53, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Feedback from Niteshgoyalwiki (talk)
 * Move the Template for Educational Assignment to the top of the Talk Page. Done. Good Job.
 * You need to make sure that your content about the logo design & branding does not seem promotional. Do you have non museum sources?
 * How about some of the biggest works at the museum. For example Van Gogh museum is mostly gogh's works - what does the municipal museum have? I remember that it had some of the national treasury arts stuff - you might want to describe the biggest draws at the museum.
 * Is their collection a part of the Google museum archival collection? If yes - would be great to discuss what is in there, with some external links.
 * There does not seem to be much foot-fall at the article by other folks. You might want to engage other wikipedians on the talk page or comment back on their text saying how you plan to address that. Fee free to talk to them at their talk page.
 * This is a long shot but you might want to to contact people who are interested in Dutch museum collections - if there is an online community outside wikipedia to help you find more interesting content
 * Remember to nominate your article to did you know by the end of class on October 1. Niteshgoyalwiki (talk) 15:14, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

 * We are looking to add a section about the criticism received after the new wing was built. We also want to detail more about the new layout of the museum. Additionally, we are in the process of taking content from the Dutch page and fitting it into the content for this page.

Eas295 (talk) 18:40, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Calling all Wikipedians: please help us!
Hey guys, as Emily said in the most recent section, we're a group of students who are touching up this page as part of a project to help us get a better grasp on interpersonal dynamics in online communities. Over the next week we'll be adding in new research, sources, and all kinds of fun stuff to make this article as informative and neutral as possible. However, we need your help. In order to make sure we do things right, we would love it if you guys critiqued our edits and discuss them with us on this talk page if you disagree or think we can improve somehow. Please don't just delete or redact our changes without giving us an explanation why you did that.

We're looking forward to working together to improve this article!

IchiniSanti (talk) 01:19, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * A suggestion at the outset: since this article is already long, its highest priority is sourcing. I'd aim to source every sentence added or modified in the article (i.e., add a footnote to each sentence) and then expand from there. As mentioned above, WP prefers independent, secondary, and reliable sources, and if you feel a source may not meet those categories, try discussing it here first before spending the time working it into the article. It feels somewhat deflating to have your hard work edited by others, especially as US schools associate edits with shame, but we're all here to build an encyclopedia. I think you'll find a balance by first adding references and asking where unsure instead of adding tomes of info, which "impresses" professors but rarely helps the article for posterity. czar  ♔  13:11, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * While I generally agree with the above, citation overkill can be an issue, so please let's not take "add a footnote to each sentence" ad literam. Same way as a good article can be compact rather than long, referencing quality (i.e. reliability of sources) is more important than the number of citations. If a paragraph relies on a single source, than one reference for it should be sufficient. -- ELEKHHT 14:25, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey, thanks for the advice! I talked it over with my group and we'll make sourcing one of our top priorities (within reason, of course).  I'm sure our professor wouldn't be upset if we focused on that over adding volumes of new text.  We hope you'll give us further feedback as we keep adding to this talk page/article. --IchiniSanti (talk) 18:36, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Maybe it is good to note here that the consensuses on citing sources on the Dutch and English Wikipedia are different. Many Dutch Wikipedians advocate minimal sourcing, where only controversial statements should be sourced, whereas English Wikipedians try to source all facts in an article (while avoiding citation overkill). I do not wish to discuss the policies here, just stating their difference. – Editør (talk) 09:46, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, please note that tagging an article for an educational project does not give you ownership of the article. Wikipedians are free to change the article as they see fit. When they give unsufficient explanation, you can always ask them about it or discuss the changes on this talk page. If you want to experiment, use the Sandbox or make a Help:Userspace draft. Success with the project, I'm looking forward to see your contributions. – Editør (talk)

Visual Identity
We want to add a section about the logo and branding design and how it has evolved. Let us know what you think. We also plan on adding some images of the logo and other printed materials once we upload our primary sourced photographs to the Commons:

Eas295 (talk) 18:34, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Added bq for legibility. Consider using list-defined refs (putting the citations within the References section, makes the wikitext easier to read). Footnotes go on the other side of the punctuation. I moved ref4 above, for example. I recommend paring this section down to its essentials (has details that aren't really pertinent to the subject of the article) and including it within a greater section about the museum's 2012 reopening and any renovations that happened alongside. czar  ♔  19:07, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Also (re: images), taking original photos of copyrighted material isn't enough for clearance to Commons. For example, if I take a picture of a book, the book's art is still copyrighted, and I would need a fair use rationale, which is very specific and limited (see WP:NFCC) unless cleared by the copyright owner under a free license (CC BY-SA or freer). czar  ♔  19:11, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

 * Consider whether the details about the visual identity are relevant in an encyclopedic article about the museum in general. If you think they are too specific, you can also consider adding parts of it to the articles of the designers instead.
 * The articles should be sourced differently, this article is not published by the Stedelijk Museum Amsterdam, so the reference should look something like this:
 * Katie Treggiden, "Wim crouwel in conversation", Confessions of a design geek, 2011. Retrieved on 2013-09-29.
 * And finally, note that Wikipedia is a work in progress, so your paragraph doesn't need to be perfect before it can be added to the article. Succes with your project. – Editør (talk) 10:11, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

 * Thank you so much for the feedback. I am working on stripping this section down as you suggested, and I plan on adding it to the section about the reopening. As a graphic designer, I guess the visual identity component is way more applicable to me than the average encyclopedia reader. I am working on formatting citations, so I really appreciate the help! I began adding and editing directly on the article page, and will continue to do so today. I am still wondering about my personal images. I used some photos of the brochures handed out at the museum in another project. I am going to consult with someone over at the Commons to see what they think, but of course I understand what you're saying regarding copyright issues.

Eas295 (talk) 13:43, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I just wanted to share that I reached out to the museum to see if I can get permission to use one or two of my personal photos. If I hear back from them, I will upload them to the Commons and see where they would best fit into this article.

Eas295 (talk) 22:26, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Course assignment
Hi Cornell folks working on this article. It might be a good idea to start putting in content and editing the article, because the assignment is due on Thursday. Please remember to be logged in to Wikipedia when making edits, so that the teaching staff evaluating your work can attribute the contributions to you. LeshedInstructor (talk) 14:02, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the reminder. We have been working on a Word doc to further compile and refine information (I am increasingly getting more comfortable posting on the article page). We plan on adding more and more content to the article page today. I have already begun editing the existing content, mainly for neutrality purposes. I am having a hard time adding citations to this existing content though, and I cannot seem to track down the user who originally contributed this. Additionally, I have checked out some books from the Fine Arts library and retrieved some content from them. Eas295 (talk) 13:48, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * If you can't source the existing content and it has no obvious citation, common practice is to either delete it or to move it to the talk page for discussion. (This is why I prefer to source every sentence, otherwise if someone adds a sentence to the middle of a paragraph, it would seem to be covered by the footnote at the end of the paragraph.) And a suggestion: try editing in short bursts so that others can read your changes ("diffs") in the page history neatly. When paragraphs are moved around, there's no easy way to tell how much content was altered from its original position. czar  ♔  22:06, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay. Again, thank you SO much for this feedback; you are extremely helpful! I will make sure to make small edits from here on out. Most of the major changes are from this very insightful book that I am reading. In this case, is it OK to just put one citation at the end of the paragraph? I am also trying to find sources for some of the pre-existing content, which is easier said than done. Eas295 (talk) 22:32, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * It's totally okay to footnote only at the end of a paragraph, but as I mentioned, it creates some issues later down the line. Yes, sourcing the unsourced is a great pain, but only imagine how non-editors unfamiliar with how WP works would try to do the same thing, if they even try. Your work cleaning up this article will be read by more people in a day than all of your college papers will (most likely) be read ever. It's worth the time to make it your best work. czar  ♔  00:35, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Please Review the Added/Edited Content on Article Page
I would greatly appreciate it if all interested parties would take a look at the information I have been adding on the article page, specifically in the History section. I have checked out an awesome book from the Cornell University Fine Arts library which gives extensive information about the Stedelijk's history. Specifically, I would love some feedback on organization. As I add more content, I am worried that the History section, mainly the 20th century section, is becoming longwinded and could be better segmented. Any suggestions? Also, I am a bit confused how to reference the same source multiple times throughout. I tried coding with, but it is still showing up as an error. I will continue adding and revising content, so stay tuned and comment away! Thanks a bunch. Eas295 (talk) 21:40, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Since I don't have the book, I can't verify the details, but I can offer stylistic advice. With the "ref name", the issue is the slash. Only add the slash after the ref's first usage. For example, I'm about to move your repeated ref to the bottom of the page (list-defined refs) and then only use the slash format to reference it throughout the article. Also use en dashes instead of hyphens for ranges (esp. page ranges). czar  ♔  21:46, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Also the footnotes go outside the closing punctuation (I mentioned this above with an example). czar  ♔  21:48, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Since you have many refs coming from that page range, you may want to try using sfn short footnotes to name the specific pages for the reference without creating a lot of work. If you want to give it a go, I'll help clean up if you have trouble. czar  ♔  21:55, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

From the article:

Looks like an error was made here when moving stuff around—you can check what happened in the page history and try to correct it czar  ♔  22:02, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you!! I will work on cleaning this up. Eas295 (talk) 22:21, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * There appears to be a broken link (labeled [2]) in the second paragraph of the 21st Century section. I couldn't fix it because I'm not sure which source it's referencing; can the person who posted that please fix your syntax? --IchiniSanti (talk) 04:01, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

I was catching myself up on Mike Kelley's coroner's report and happened upon this WSJ article on Stedelijk and the artist. Maybe worth adding, if you have time. czar ♔  00:57, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Czar--Thank you for sharing this article on Mike Kelley. I am adding a bit to the article about the cost of the renovation, but I don't think I'll mention the show of Kelley's work just because I think it's getting too specific. Is there anything else from this article in the WSJ that you think is applicable? Eas295 (talk) 15:27, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * As you can see, I am still having trouble with referencing the same source multiple times. I am trying to reference the WSJ article twice. I tried to mimic what you did with the book reference that I included, but I am obviously missing something... Eas295 (talk) 15:50, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I added the WSJ article. Take a look at my diff in the page history to see exactly how it works. It doesn't necessarily need anything more than a short mention, if even that. (Also remember that you can sign your comment on the same line so it appears at the end of your comment instead of on a new line.) → czar  ♔  21:32, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Permission to Use Photos
I just heard back from Michiel Nijhoff who is head of library and collection registration over at the Stedelijk. He has given me permission to use a personal photo that I took in October 2012 of the interior, specifically of the enclosed escalator leading upward from the ground floor of the new wing. According to the Stedelijk website, the escalator running between the lower level and the second floor is enclosed to allow visitors to "enjoy exhibitions without distractions".

The current article page already has some nice photos of the exterior, but nothing from inside. Because showing photos of actual artwork or pieces would infringe on copyright, I think the best thing is to simply show this piece of interior architecture. I am uploading it to the Commons now, and will post shortly with an appropriate caption.

Eas295 (talk) 13:03, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Please forward the permission with a link to the file per the instructions at OTRS (which documents the approval for posterity). If the works included are in the public domain or of extremely minimal use, their inclusion is fine. Post a link to the image and I can help you with its copyright. czar  ♔  14:24, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

 * Here is the photo. I just uploaded it to the Commons. Do you think I should brighten it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eas295 (talk • contribs) 16:17, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * This caption is a bit long, but the one in the article is fine. I know it takes a lot of effort to get things approved and uploaded, but I'm not sure this image contributes enough to the article. The escalator isn't mentioned in the article other than in the caption and it seems relatively peripheral to the article's scope. If the escalator is as important as other elevators in the museum and there is little secondary source coverage on it, I would consider leaving it out. (Though it can stay here on the talk page for posterity, of course.) Also I'm not sure that you need outside permission for photos like this that don't contain copyrighted elements. czar  ♔  23:51, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Additional content from Stedelijk Collection Reflections
I am going to add in this additional information from the Stedelijk Collection Reflections book (I know I have used this source a bunch--is that alright?)

Information about renovations of interior: In 1934, Baard turned the loggia above the museum's main entrance into an exhibition space and had several galleries repainted in light colors. When Röell took over in 1936, he changed the gallery wall coverings and doorways. Röell had the polychrome staircase whitewashed in 1938. and replaced the yellow glass in the skylight with lime-washed glass.

Conflict & Criticism: De Wilde was faced with generational conflicts, protest movements, and a call for democratization. Critics accused De Wilde of paying too much heed to the international, 'capitalist' gallery establishment. The Beroepsvereniging van Beeldend Kunstenaars (BBK), a left-wing artists' association, demanded local artist and the general public participation in museum policymaking. On 16 January 1970, the BBK disrupted a Claes Oldenburg exhibition's opening and occupied the museum. The protestors were evicted by the police the next day. Years later, the left-wing liberal councillor E. van Antwerpen proposed a resolution that condemned De Wilde's purchasing and collecting policy, which did not pass.

Any suggestions on reorganization? The history sections are getting really dense... Eas295 (talk) 16:52, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * See diff for changes. This info may be a little too specific. It would be fine to say that he "upgraded the galleries" if it covers what we need to know. "Democratization" means a whole lot of things—specify. Also avoid starting each sentence with "in year comma" and vary the sentence structure. It's fine to keep using this source as long as it's reliable and footnoted in the article. Good work czar  ♔  23:44, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Feedback from Museum Staff
As I mentioned, I have been talking with Michiel Nijhoff, who is the head of library & collection registration over at the Stedelijk. He is "looking forward to the updated page". In addition to approval on a photo, I have asked him to check out the work we have been doing on this article and to provide us with some feedback. I will keep you updated, but if you have any specific questions that you want me to direct to him, please let me know. I really appreciate the help on this! Hopefully we can move this article up from C-class! Eas295 (talk) 17:00, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Suggestions
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SMIF (interface)

SMIF (Standard Mechanical Interface) is a wafer carrier used in semiconductor wafer fabrication and cleanroom environments. The isolation technology was developed in the 1980s by a group known as the "micronauts" at Hewlett-Packard in Palo Alto. It is a SEMI standard.

Use
The purpose of SMIF pods is to isolate wafers from contamination by providing a miniature environment with controlled airflow, pressure and particle count. SMIF pods can be accessed by automated mechanical interfaces on production equipment. The wafers therefore remain in a carefully controlled environment whether in the SMIF pod or in a tool, without being exposed to the surrounding airflow.

Each SMIF pod contains a wafer cassette in which the wafers are stored horizontally. The bottom surface of the pod is the opening door, and when a SMIF pod is placed on a load port, the bottom door and cassette are lowered into the tool so that the wafers can be removed.

Both wafers and reticles can be handled by SMIF pods in a semiconductor fabrication environment. Used in lithographic tools, reticles or photomasks contain the image that is exposed on a coated wafer in one processing step of a complete integrated semiconductor manufacturing cycle. Because reticles are linked so directly with wafer processing, they also require steps to protect them from contamination or from being the source of contamination in the litho tool.

SMIF is typically used for wafers no larger than 200mm. The equivalent for 300mm wafers is the FOUP (Front Opening Unified Pod). The greater flexibility of 300mm wafers means that it is not feasible to use SMIF technology and designs for 300mm, hence the reason for the emergence of FOUPs. Several FOUP SEMI standards, including SEMI E47.1-1106, are related to both 300 and 450 mm wafers.

Development
The core development team was led by Ulrich Kaempf as engineering manager, under the direction of Mihir Parikh. The core team that developed the technology was driven by Barclay Tullis, who held most of the patents, with Dave Thrasher, who later joined the Silicon Valley Group, and Thomas Atchison, a member of the technical staff under direction of Barclay Tullis. Mihir later provided the technology to SEMI, and then licensed a copy for himself, and spun out Asyst Technologies to provide the technology commercially. Asyst technology subsequent acquire by Brooks Automation in their Versaport. The interface is the same after being acquired

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User talk:JMaxwell

Hello JMaxwell.

I have seen progressive users come here, time and time and time again, and have seen their articles and contributions targeted, and have seen themselves targeted. They begin by trying to contribute, then get into fights, and after a while they realize the way Wikipedia is they can't win despite theoretical "neutral" rules, and eventually they leave not just wikipedia but any wiki encyclopedia for good. I myself have made about one edit a day in the past month, whereas I used to make more. I primarily concentrate on other wiki encyclopedia's like Infoshop's OpenWiki and Anarchopedia. Sometimes I contribute to Demopedia or dKosopedia.

Wasting time on fights here is completely pointless. Look at the Khmer Rouge page. It has been battled over since 2003 but is still essentially the way it was back in 2003. On the other hand, in that time period wikis like Infoshop's OpenWiki, Anarchopedia, Demopedia and dKosopedia have put up articles not hampered by a right wing goon squad trying to muck it all up. I feel my efforts are better served on these other wiki's. Of course, Wikipedia has more momentum, which is why I'm removing my piece of that momentum from here, and focusing it elsewhere. Wikipedia is owned by Jimbo Wales, an Ayn Rand devotee and millionaire, and it will always be the same. It can not be "fixed", as some seem to think, just like a wife can't fix a drunk husband. The only way to fix it is for someone with the resources to copy it (allowed under the GFDL), and build the same level of momentum it has. I'm not trying to fix Wikipedia though, I'm part of building something new. Ruy Lopez 21:21, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Ring strain

In organic chemistry, ring strain is a type of instability that exists when bonds in a molecule form angles that are abnormal. Strain is most commonly discussed for small rings such as cyclopropanes and cyclobutanes, whose internal angles are substantially smaller than the idealized value of approximately 109°. Because of their high strain, the heat of combustion for these small rings is elevated.

Ring strain results from a combination of angle strain, conformational strain or Pitzer strain (torsional eclipsing interactions), and transannular strain, also known as van der Waals strain or Prelog strain. The simplest examples of angle strain are small cycloalkanes such as cyclopropane and cyclobutane.

Ring strain energy can be attributed to the energy required for the distortion of bond and bond angles in order to close a ring.

Ring strain energy is believed to be the cause of accelerated rates in altering ring reactions. Its interactions with traditional bond energies change the enthalpies of compounds effecting the kinetics and thermodynamics of ring strain reactions.

History
Ring strain theory was first developed by German chemist Adolf von Bayer in 1890. Previously, the only bonds believed to exist were torsional and steric; however, Bayer's theory became based on the interactions between the two strains.

Bayer's theory was based on the assumption that ringed compounds were flat. Later, around the same time, Hermann Sachse formed his postulation that compound rings were not flat and potentially existed in a "chair" formation. Ernst Mohr later combined the two theories to explain the stability of six-membered rings and their frequency in nature, as well as the energy levels of other ring structures.

Alkanes
In alkanes, optimum overlap of atomic orbitals is achieved at 109.5°. The most common cyclic compounds have five or six carbons in their ring. Adolf von Baeyer received a Nobel Prize in 1905 for the discovery of the Baeyer strain theory, which was an explanation of the relative stabilities of cyclic molecules in 1885.

Angle strain occurs when bond angles deviate from the ideal bond angles to achieve maximum bond strength in a specific chemical conformation. Angle strain typically affects cyclic molecules, which lack the flexibility of acyclic molecules.

Angle strain destabilizes a molecule, as manifested in higher reactivity and elevated heat of combustion. Maximum bond strength results from effective overlap of atomic orbitals in a chemical bond. A quantitative measure for angle strain is strain energy. Angle strain and torsional strain combine to create ring strain that affects cyclic molecules.

Normalized energies that allow comparison of ring strains are obtained by measuring per methylene group (CH2) of the molar heat of combustion in the cycloalkanes.

 * $ΔH$combustion per CH2 − 658.6 kJ = strain per CH2

The value 658.6 kJ per mole is obtained from an unstrained long-chain alkane.

Cycloalkanes generally have less ring strain than cycloalkenes, which is seen when comparing cyclopropane and cyclopropene.

Angle strain in alkenes
Cyclic alkenes are subject to strain resulting from distortion of the sp2-hybridized carbon centers. Illustrative is C60 where the carbon centres are pyramidalized. This distortion enhances the reactivity of this molecule. Angle strain also is the basis of Bredt's rule which dictates that bridgehead carbon centers are not incorporated in alkenes because the resulting alkene would be subject to extreme angle strain.

Small trans-cycloalkenes have so much ring strain they cannot exist for extended periods of time. For instance, the smallest trans-cycloalkane that has been isolated is trans-cyclooctene. Trans-cycloheptene has been detected via spectrophotometry for minute time periods, and trans-cyclohexene is thought to be an intermediate in some reactions. No smaller trans-cycloalkenes are known. On the contrary, while small cis-cycloalkenes do have ring strain, they have much less ring strain than small trans-cycloalkenes.

In general, the increased levels of unsaturation in alkenes leads to higher ring strain. Increasing unsaturation leads to greater ring strain in cyclopropene. Therefore, cyclopropene is an alkene that has the most ring strain between the two mentioned. The differing hybridizations and geometries between cyclopropene and cyclopropane contribute to the increased ring strain. Cyclopropene also has an increased angle strain, which also contributes to the greater ring strain. However, this trend does not always work for every alkane and alkene.

Torsional strain (Pitzer strain)
In some molecules, torsional strain can contribute to ring strain in addition to angle strain. One example of such a molecule is cyclopropane. Cyclopropane's carbon-carbon bonds form angles of 60°, far from the preferred angle of 109.5° angle in alkanes, so angle strain contributes most to cyclopropane's ring strain. However, as shown in the Newman projection of the molecule, the hydrogen atoms are eclipsed, causing some torsional strain as well.

Examples
In cycloalkanes, each carbon is bonded nonpolar covalently to two carbons and two hydrogen. The carbons have sp3 hybridization and should have ideal bond angles of 109.5°. Due to the limitations of cyclic structure, however, the ideal angle is only achieved in a six carbon ring — cyclohexane in chair conformation. For other cycloalkanes, the bond angles deviate from ideal.

Molecules with a high amount of ring strain consist of three, four, and some five-membered rings, including: cyclopropanes, cyclopropenes, cyclobutanes, cyclobutenes, [1,1,1]propellanes, [2,2,2]propellanes, epoxides, aziridines, cyclopentenes, and norbornenes. These molecules have bond angles between ring atoms which are more acute than the optimal tetrahedral (109.5°) and trigonal planar (120°) bond angles required by their respective sp3 and sp2 bonds. Because of the smaller bond angles, the bonds have higher energy and adopt more p-character to reduce the energy of the bonds. In addition, the ring structures of cyclopropanes/enes and cyclclobutanes/enes offer very little conformational flexibility. Thus, the substituents of ring atoms exist in an eclipsed conformation in cyclopropanes and between gauche and eclipsed in cyclobutanes, contributing to higher ring strain energy in the form of van der Waals repulsion.

monocycles
 * cyclopropane (29 kcal/mol), C3H6 — the C-C-C bond angles are 60° whereas tetrahedral 109.5° bond angles are expected. The intense angle strain leads to nonlinear orbital overlap of its sp3 orbitals. Because of the bond's instability, cyclopropane is more reactive than other alkanes. Since any three points make a plane and cyclopropane has only three carbons, cyclopropane is planar. The H-C-H bond angle is 115° whereas 106° is expected as in the CH2 groups of propane.
 * cyclobutane (26.3 kcal/mol), C4H8 — if cyclobutane were completely square planar, its bond angles would be 90° whereas tetrahedral 109.5° bond angles are expected. However, the actual C-C-C bond angle is 88° because it has a slightly folded form to relieve some torsional strain at the expense of slightly more angle strain. The high strain energy of cyclobutane is primarily from angle strain.
 * cyclopentane (7.4 kcal/mol), C5H10 — if it was a completely regular planar pentagon its bond angles would be 108°, but tetrahedral 109.5° bond angles are expected. However, it has an unfixed puckered shape that undulates up and down.
 * cyclohexane (1.3 kcal/mol), C6H12 — Although the chair conformation is able to achieve ideal angles, the unstable half-chair conformation has angle strain in the C-C-C angles which range from 109.86° to 119.07°.

Bicyclics
 * bicyclo[1.1.0]butane (66.3 kcal/mol), C4H6
 * bicyclo[1.2.0]pentane (54.7 kcal/mol), C5H8
 * bicyclo[1.3.0]hexane (26 kcal/mol), C6H10
 * norbornane (16.6 kcal/mol), C7H12

Ring strain can be considerably higher in bicyclic systems. For example, bicyclobutane, C4H6, is noted for being one of the most strained compounds that is isolatable on a large scale; its strain energy is estimated at 63.9 kcal mol−1 (267 kJ mol−1).

Cyclopropane has a lesser amount of ring strain since it has the least amount of unsaturation; as a result, increasing the amount of unsaturation leads to greater ring strain. For example, cyclopropene has a greater amount of ring strain than cyclopropane because it has more unsaturation.

Applications
The potential energy and unique bonding structure contained in the bonds of molecules with ring strain can be used to drive reactions in organic synthesis. Examples of such reactions are ring opening metathesis polymerisation, photo-induced ring opening of cyclobutenes, and nucleophilic ring-opening of epoxides and aziridines.

Increased potential energy from ring strain also can be used to increase the energy released by explosives or increase their shock sensitivity. For example, the shock sensitivity of the explosive 1,3,3-Trinitroazetidine could partially or primarily explained by its ring strain.

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Couture, Charente

Couture is a commune in the Charente department in southwestern France.

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Talk:Anti-Germans (political current)

Categories
Going by a number of recent edits, I believe there's some contention as to if this page should be part of a number of categories such as Category:Socialism and Category:Critical theory. As the ideology as a whole appears to be part of those ideas is there any particular reason why this page should be excluded? Browsing through the other pages currently under those categories I am finding it difficult to see how this page in particular should be excluded.

Untitled
I shortened the article a bit. It is much better to read now!

In English there is no such thing as a "political current," it should be a "political movement". I don't have an account so I lack the permissions to change the page name. Additionally, is there no equivalent page on the German Wikipedia?

"Neoconservative"
I made an edit to clean up the categories earlier but someone reverted it- there's multiple citations through the piece linking this ideological current to the radical left, and zero to say they're somehow neoconservative. Is there anything of interest and relevance as to why this page should be linked to the neoconservative category, given there's no actual citations in the actual article? And on a related note, why it shouldn't link to other "left" wing things cited through the article, like socialism? Dreadunicorn (talk) 13:28, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Crap
This article is just crap. Applying the term "Anti-German" to these people is radical and incorrect. Using it in this conetext certifies a lack of education and a diminished intelligence to the person who does so. I´m German and until now i have only heard this term on the part of right-wing extremists. It´s like calling an American who criticizes the Vietnam War "Anti-American". It doesn´t make any sense at all. Maybe you could apply the term to people that just "don´t like Germany", but even then it would be highly doubtful, as it is a radical expression per se. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.57.227.204 (talk) 20:35, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your constructive criticism. Actually these people call themselves Antideutsche. It's not a term anyone is applying to them.--Carabinieri (talk) 21:49, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

I apologize for the polemical undertone of my comment. The article itself is written well I think, i just have a problem with it´s content. Until now I´ve meat only one of these so called "Anti-Germans" personally and he didn´t refer to himself as such. However I´ve heard or read right-wing extremists using this term frequently in order to refer to anybody who is pro-israel or anti-nationalist. Refering as anti-germans to them seems radical to me. It´s like a German had to be nationalist to be German and we all now that today it´s quite the reverse sometimes. It´s a very incorrect term and even the fact that "Anti-Germans" themselves use it doesn´t change this. Again, I apologize for insulting the article while it just summarizes allready existing information about this topic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.57.227.204 (talk) 09:39, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

 * Hi, I'm from Germany and active in the political left, where I also have contact with Anti-Germans. I can understand, why you get a flap reading the title, because it's really a term of neonazis to insult everything left or antinationalist, but the Anti-Germans are flexible in their ideology and adapt to new agiitations of the neonazis. Now they really call themselves Anti-Germans and their postions try to be the opposite of the right populist or nazist content. The problem with that is, that the neonazis are copying left arguments and positions, so the Anti-Germans react and get away from the "orthodox" left side. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.83.121.66 (talk) 17:11, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, it was the other way around: Konkret, Jutta Ditfurth, and Thomas Ebermann began calling themselves Antideutsche in the late 80s shortly before the fall of wall as a local strain of anti-racism and anti-nationalism, and their first big, publically visible campaign was Nie wieder Deutschland in reference to Re-Unification.

 * Later during the 90s, Bahamas and Junge Welt tried to jump the bandwagon and claim the term for themselves, where Junge Welt only used the label to paint it somehow progressive, fasionable, and Leftist to deny Israel's right to exist as they've always done ever since they were still part of East-German state-controlled media, and Bahamas used the label to pioneer free Capitalist enterprise and nationalism among the Left by calling all critiques of it anti-Semitic (in a way that did and does sound a lot like what conservative to right-wing papers such as Welt, FAZ, Junge Freiheit have always been saying about the Left, who soon began gratefully quoting Bahamas and copying their way of utterly distorting short blurbs from Marx, Adorno, and Horkheimer to prove how Capitalism had always been right and the Left had always been wrong), with both being strategies none of the original late-80s originators of the label (see above) would do, even though they were fierce critics of anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism as well. Note though that this issue that Bahamas really did act pro-Capitalist is separate from how Leninist anti-imperialists used to accuse all anti-Germans of being pro-Capitalist because anti-Germans were attacking their Leninism by means of Luxemburgian critique of Lenin.

 * Eventually, some people working at Junge Welt began to understand their paper was made up of nutcases and split off to form Jungle World in the late 90s, which I'd call more genuinely and legitimately anti-German in the original way that had popped up in the late 80s. But by 2005, the appropriation of the Antideutsche label on behalf of Bahamas and Junge Welt forced the original anti-Germans to drop the label as the other two groups were giving them a bad name.

 * Around 2008-10, a conference of many of the priorly involved called Auf einer Skala von 1 bis 10, wie scheiße ist Deutschland? happened, where most legitimate anti-Germans called Bahamas out on how it had misappropriated the label while only daring to speak of "Some anti-Germans..." rather than flat-out saying they meant Bahamas, which by the end of the conference gave a great opportunity for Bahamas to now divorce themselves from the label with great fanfare because, as Bahamas then pointed out, the conference had shown how "crazy" "those anti-Germans" had always been and they wanted nothing to do with "them" anymore. Ever since then, Bahamas even actively and fiercely denies being Leftist or opposed to Capitalism in any way (before then, they'd only claimed to be while actively defending free enterprise and lack of social solidarity), now only calling themselves "critical towards ideology" (ideologiekritisch).

 * And it was only *AFTER* that conference that some right-wingers first heard of the term and misunderstood it mainly as just a synonym for the slur Vaterlandsverräter ("unpatriotic traitors of one's own nation"), and partly also for people from other countries being "racist" towards Germans and "discriminating" against them. --2003:71:4E07:3B72:C8B9:C40D:F7B1:9516 (talk) 02:51, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

@62.57.227.204 - Wow. So according to you, calling people that want to take DOWN Germany, and that's just what the banner says, "Anti-German" is radical? Are you serious? I can't help but shake my head. No words.... --89.0.185.40 (talk) 20:53, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Sinistra!
the anti-german group sinistra! wrote a text in english about the anti-german ideology. http://www.copyriot.com/sinistra/reading/texte/antigermans.html

Structure ?
From the article, it´s possible to figure out what "Anti-Germanism" is against, but not it´s theoretical schematics. As far as I can see it (having consulted the linked documents), "Anti-Germanism" is a rather scattered set of theoretical and historical fragments. Therefore I assume the lack of structure of the article corresponds well to that of it´s topic. It seems to be tough work to set this straight...

antigermans
the anti-germans are not just marxist...there are also some anarchist or non-marxist communist who are anti-german! also it is not only based on the solidarity with israel but also on the thought that german politics and society is the most capitalistic and imperialistic and that (western)germany never was "cleaned" of the old nazis which made lots of careers in the post-war-germany. also they fight against that part of the new german pop-culture who stay for a new "proudness"of being german,who are very popular at the moment in germany (fler/mia etc.) there are two kinds of antigermans the so called hard- and softcore antideutsche (antigermans).

Anti-German
There is only one sentence for the topic of "anti-German" proper! I understand that this is an English-language Wiki, but this is absolutely ridiculous. The first step in helping racism succeed is to convince observers (and the victims) that it doesn't exist. First there is the ethnic factor, some form of anti-German feeling is present wherever Germans are a minority, in most places around the world including the United States and South America. The Volga Germans of the former Soviet Union are now the most rapidly disappearing ethnic minority on the planet. Second, there is the national factor- you could go on for pages about the British press!

I desire to see this article fixed, but I doubt there would be many takers... judging by the articles on German Expulsion from the East, it has become fashionable on Wikipedia to adopt an anti-German bent. So much for NPOV.

Can we split this article?
May be we can write remove the redirect and write an article Anti-German sentiment, and write an article following the example of the article Anti-French sentiment and anti-Americanism. Anti-German sentiment was quite strong just after WWII and enduring in some countries, like Norway. This should be described somewhere. (I am somewhat pro-German by the way). Andries 21:40, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, I don't think there is anything stopping anyone from writing an anti-German sentiment article. This one refers to something entirely different. I'm not sure if it would need to be moved, although we could create Anti-German (ideology) or something if there was a lot of confusion.
 * However I would caution that an anti-German sentiment article would need to be historical and only makes sense if it identifies a geneaology of the phenomenon with references provided. Otherwise, the page, just like the old Anti-American sentiment page and the French page, will just become a mess of random ranting with a contemporary focus. Tfine80 22:07, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

 * But I do agree it is dumb to have that sentence at the top. We should either have an article or not mention it here. Tfine80 22:11, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Anti-German sentiment was of significance in post war Europe for some time and to a lesser extent even now. For that reason an article should be made. I dunno how to make it a good article and how to keep POV disputes and edit warring out of the article, but that is another question. I would appreciate help. Andries 22:17, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree that it is a phenomenon. Probably much more coherent than a subject like Anti-Australian sentiment. However, it is hard to know where to begin. I think that anti-Americanism is an important article because it discusses a clear concept that has been variously defined and we can try to place some limits on its scope. To understand anti-German sentiment we would have to examine the Congress of Vienna, Bismarck, German colonial policy, and German landholdings in Eastern Europe. And it would differ from every historical perspective and actor. What I don't like is an article that gives a brief history and then discusses petty (in the long term) and contemporary issues like trade disputes or emotional topics like the Iraq War. Or one that collapses into a collection of stereotypes. Tfine80 22:28, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

 * It is perhaps important to write the article first before wondering about POV issues. It hasn't even been written yet. You're still only talking about doing it. I don't understand what the contention is about. Why not see what the content is first before you voice your disapproval of the article? Goodbye to All That had a few passages describing anti-German sentiment on the English homefront during WWI, for example, which isn't mentioned at all in any Wikipedia article.--Denkmal 03:37, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Much better!
This topic is so scattered, I wasn't even aware of the "organised persecution" article. "Well done" to the person who corrected this problem. --Denkmal 00:41, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

This article is a POV mess
Sources need to be cited. This article seems to just be someone's opinion written as fact. The term needs to be discussed for what it is - a subjective label that some people apply to some other people. Also, the term has different meanings in different contexts - whether it's someone in the states with hostility towards germany and germans due to a prejudice that they're all nazis or a person in germany who opposes his government's policies and is thus labled by some other germans as "anti-german." i'm not even sure how pervasive the use of that term is in that context. see the Anti-Americanism article for a good example of what an npov article might look like. good luck everyone... Blackcats 08:47, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Disagree with Blackcats. My impression is that Anti-German (or antideutsch) refers to a coherent movement unlike Anti-Americanism, so the article you linked to is just completely irrelevent to this topic. (contributed by 67.188.209.23, 10:40, April 5, 2006)

 * It is not "a subjective label that some people apply to some other people". It is a self-chosen and self-applied label: the "Antideutsche" call themselves just that. I think it is a translation of Antideutsche, which does have sources, including the authoritative (but POV) page Antideutsch from the Home Office of North Rhine-Westphalia, but all are in German. --Lambiam Talk 07:56, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

It IS a POV Mess. The defining paragraph for this entry seeks to establish that "The Anti-Germans emerged as a response to the rise in racist attacks and nationalism in the wake of the German reunification." This can only be read as a passive aggressive justification for anti-germanism. It should be made more neutral. The opposite interpretation is that anti-germans are not reacting to anything, but are rather the aggressors or initiators of anti-nationalist force.

Also, the writer seems to intend to disperse and broaden the membership roster of this political tendency. The article therefore lacks scholarship in this section which appears to inflate, camouflage, and mystify the subject rather than describe it.

Someone is also trying to divorce Israeli solidarism from anti-Germanism. These three paragraphs taken together form an apologia for Antifa cells, not an objective description of anti-germanism.

The at this point collapses into a tiresome elaboration of Theodor Adorno and Max Horkheimer. I am assuming this article could be written without becoming a defensive essay of Marxism. --contextflexed Talk 12/13/07  —Preceding comment was added at 14:51, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Communism, anti-German criticism and Israel
Stephan Grigat from the anti-german group "Cafe Critique" describes these three subjects: http://www.cafecritique.priv.at/interviewIN.html

the german left
i do not think you can say that "most antifa groups in germany also hold an israel-sympathetic position" and that solidarity with israel "is in fact a position widely shared, though not universally, among many sections of the german left". i live in germany and especially during the lebanon-war it was quite obvious that the majority of the german left does not practice solidarity with israel, but did even march together with islamists, namely supporters of the hizbullah. links: http://planethop.blogspot.com/2006/08/wir-sind-alle-hizbollah-heute.html -> the weblog of the editor of the weekly newspaper "jungle world" http://www.krasse-zeiten.org/foto.php?dir=libanon this demo was supported by the german left party and parts of the radical left wing. in fact most of the german left is very antiimperialist, antiisraeli and antizionist. and, btw, you should mention the anti-german solidarity with the usa and the uk and their war against terror.

Difference between Anti-Germans - Anti-Nationalists
The Anti-Germans did not call for "unconditional" support for the regime of Slobodan Milošević. (I don't know any argument for this.) They criticise the war, because it helped the islamistic UCK and their seperistism.

The difference to the Anti-Nationalists ist, that Anti-Nationalists say, every Nation ist equally bad. The Anti-Germans recognise differences according the form of states: Israel ist the only state, which has a reasonable reason to exist. It is the only resort to every person persecuted by Anti-Semitism in the whole world. The world that knows Capitalism and Nations generates Anti-Semitism. That is why Capitalism and Nations should be abolished, and Israel must be the Country that exist longest.

 * I concur that it would not be fair to label the Anti-Germans collectively as pro Milošević. They are a heterogeneous current and their exponents can be expected to have conflicting views on just about anything. However, the Anti-German current of the mid-90s was not the same as that of today. In the works of one of the most outspoken representatives of the then Antideutsche, Jürgen Elsässer, you find strong pro-Milošević positions, plus lots of anti-Albanian statements which in my view do not only border racist stereotypes. Elsässer has later turned his back on the Antideutsche and rejoined the more traditional anti-imperialist camp. But during the initial phase of the Antideutsche current, he has been one of the most influential figures. Also, I strongly remember the positions that the Junge Welt advocated during the war in Bosnia, 1995. (This was way before a schism in the editorial office, between the traditional East German and the post-working-class West German camps led to the eventual founding of the Jungle World weekly.) At that time, both self-styled antideutsche and anti-imperialists jointly praised Milošević and denounced all reports of massacres in Bosnia as rumours. But even today, people associated with the more "hardcore" segments of the current, with whom I have personally communicated, continue to advocate a strong pro Milošević position. So, however unfair such a generalisation may seem, there is a grain of truth. --Johannes Rohr 23:13, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Neutrality, accuracy, etc.
I'm not too impressed by this article. It is certainly not adequate for the average reader of the English Wikipedia, who cannot be expected to be familiar with sub-factions of the German Autonome Linke ("Autonomous left (current)"). However, it is surprising that such an article exists at all, as the "Antideutsche" represent a truly marginal phenomenon.

Even in Germany, few people outside the radical left are aware of their existence. To put things into perspective: Most the critique voiced by Antideutsche is targeted at other radical-left factions, or even at other sub-factions of the Antideutsche current.

The first and foremost task of an encyclopaedia is to differentiate between the more and the less important. If we look at political life in contemporary Germany, the Antideutsche are without doubt of little importance.

In my view, their most outstanding feature is that they use radical-left language to justify right-wing politics. They have vigorously supported George Bushes and Rumsfeld's politics in Iraq, they have even spoken out pro Guantanamo bay, pro Abu Ghraibh. The so-called Hardcore Antideutsche (most promimently represented by the journal "Bahamas") have mostly exchanged their former anti-German convictions by anti-muslim sentiments, which includes support for and admiration of right-wing populists such as Pim Fortuyn. While they are regularly bashing moderately left media such as the daily die tageszeitung, many hail right-wing newspapers such as Die Welt, Germany's most outstanding right-wing conservative daily. To go even further: Personally, I have spoken to Antideutsche who openly favour the "transfer" of all Palestinians from "the territories" to Jordan, something, that even openly islamophobic right-wing Germans wouldn't easily demand.

However, according to my personal observations, the Antideutsche current has its future already behind them. With the war on Iraq turning more and more into an undeniable disaster, they have lost much of their former attractiveness. Many observers judge that this movement has already passed a point of no return from the bourgeois conservative, islamophobic environment, where many Antideutsche have since taken refuge...

Anyway, in short: Make it clear that this is a marginal faction, please don't make too much fuzz about it... --Johannes Rohr 22:11, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Great to hear your opinion... Branding everyone associated with a certain opinion as right wing is probably indeed the most sophisticated form of denuniciation. But working on the article might be more helpful than that.--Carabinieri 12:15, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Mind you, how would you label Die Welt or the current US administration? I would say, that "right-wing" is a faily appropriate, non-polemic description. Second, I did not start editing right away, because having been involved in editing de:Antideutsche, I am well aware, how controversial and contested this topic is. Third, what also deters me from getting involved, is the current messy state of the article. Generally, this topic is better for some ranting then for serious article work. It may become easier in a few years time, if my observations are correct and this current is more and more becoming history. Adequately judging such a phenomenon in retrospect is probably easier. --Johannes Rohr 15:50, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

In comparison with e.g. the former SPD-Greens government in Germany, I would not label the Bush administration as right wing. The former enthusiastically supported the Fascist UCK and its opposition to the Iraq war was mostly motivated by blatant anti-Americanism and economic interests in the Middle East (illicit trade with Hussein's Iraq as well as legal trade with its neighbors). Further prominent members of the Greens (Christian Ströbele, for example) have openly spoken out for the fascist Ba'athist regime and anti-Israeli terrorism. On the other hand, such politics are not really exclusively right wing, if one considers the fact that most of the post-WWII left wing has been pro-PLO (and most recentlyparts of it pro-Hamas).--Carabinieri 17:37, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

 * While what you wrote, is a truly authentic representation of core beliefs held in the Anti-German current, it certainly is not what I would call NPOV. With all due respect: The simple fact, that the Bush administration represents the right-of-centre segment of the American political spectre is something, that cannot be seriously disputed. I won't go into details, even though I feel that some of your above statements are gross misrepresentations. But I have been through this kind of discussions way too often, and I feel that it is nothing but a huge, fat waste of time. --Johannes Rohr 13:20, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I was presenting my POV, just like you were when you wrote "In my view, their most outstanding feature is that they use radical-left language to justify right-wing politics" for example. Are you seriously claiming that what you wrote was NPOV?--Carabinieri 13:43, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Anyway, what I was trying to show is that the simplistic formulas "right=bad" and "left=good" are complete nonsense.--Carabinieri 13:42, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Nope. This is not about good or bad, but about right and left. Why? Again, simply because it is an outstanding (although not entirely unique) feature of Anti-Germans that, while identifying themselves as "communists", they have increasingly assumed political views, which are typically associated with right wing politics. And outstanding features of a particular subject should be mentioned in the respective article. --Johannes Rohr 15:15, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Adding image
It seems that the following is an Image from a demonstration of the Anti-Germans (according to Talk:Militant anti-fascism). However, I didn't manage to find a way to make it fit nicely into the article. Can anyone help me with this?

Tal :) 15:59, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

 * To include a picture requires to say what the picture shows. On Talk:Militant_anti-fascism, the image has the caption Antifa's demonstration against anti-semitism and in support of Israel, in Hamm 2004.. Unfortunately, the link given as a source on Image:Hamm02.jpg seems to be dead. I'm afraid to just include this picture with this caption would be original research. About a year ago, there has been a lengthy discusison about a similar problem on the German page Diskussion:Antideutsche#Beanstandete_Teile. The recent stage of discussion there is (since August 2006) to remove some pictures of antigerman demonstrations from the article, with the reason given that original pictures of an event donated by wikipedians are allowed only if there has been an independent press coverage about the event. Otherwise, the picture would be original research. In our case this would mean that this picture could be included only if the article would refer to an independent source which confirms that there has been an antideutschen demonstation in Hamm 2004.--Schwalker 10:04, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

 * This seems really abstruse to me, is anybody going to object if I include this photo?71.182.183.14 (talk) 19:17, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Kurz and zionism
I think that the reference about Robert Kurz and his School is incorrect. They don't support zionism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.18.243.13 (talk) 02:12, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Reference to Robert Kurz deleted
It was false. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.18.243.13 (talk) 12:33, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Reference to Robert Kurz restored
I have restored the reference to Robert Kurz, and sourced it. I don't understand why the previous user even regards it as controversial. The support of the Krisis and Exit groups for Israel is well-known, and the third issue of the Exit journal even includes a theoretical defense of Israel within the context of an article on anti-semitism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Negative potential (talk • contribs) 17:00, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

German speaker wanted
Am I right that the text on this banner means "German thinking is Auschwitz thinking"? 71.182.183.14 (talk) 19:08, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

 * No, it means "Thinking (of) Germany means thinking (of) Auschwitz"145.18.233.228 (talk) 15:39, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.95.240.91 (talk) 22:25, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Terminology incorrect, biased
Referring to this group as leftist is incorrect, and the preface "anti-fascist", used in reference to members of the groups, is innapropriate, and an example of bias. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.82.195.134 (talk) 02:14, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Karl Rössel v Philippa Ebene
The following paragraph was recently added here. I think it should be deleted, because it is a lot of proportion of the article devoted to something not that central. If it is included, can we have references that make it clear that Karl Rössel is actually part of the anti-deutsch movement? It also needs better wikilinks etc A current example of anti-German (anti-deutsch) activities are the attacks of Karl Rössel against Philippa Ebene, the director of an institution in Berlin called Werkstatt der Kulturen. Rössel, the curator of an exhibition called 'Third world during WW2' attacked her because she rejected his exhibition, by claiming that she had only refused it because it showed pictures that depicted the collaboration of Arabs with Hitler. The actual reasons for said rejection were that his entire exhibition was deemed racist by Philippa Ebene because the curator was unable to distinguish which 'non-white' soldiers actually hailed from developing countries. Yet Rössel decided to claim that the real reasons were the images showing Arab collaborators. He retracted later from this claim when asked directly, but it was too late. The German press not aware of Rössel's long standing anti-Arabic feelings had already helped him achieving something no right wing party had ever achieved in Germany, which is that Germans can now claim that they were not the main culprits of the Third Reich,  but the entire Arab world was almost equally responsible for the Shoah. BobFromBrockley (talk) 15:13, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Well the most important is missing
"Antideutsche" or in english "anti germans" is a term that was coined by the nsdap. It is the term they used for anyone nazi regarded as an enemy or opposed to nazi germany. Mosst prominently the resistance but also allied forces in WW2. Its a propagandistic term used against antifascist. Some antifascists took that term up for themselves saying "yes we are those you call anti germans". It might be a good idea for wikipedia not to use the term in a diffamatory way as thats where it derives from. this article really is a shame. 84.57.37.220 (talk) 00:22, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * do you have a reference for the claim that phrase was originally coined by the Nazis (I never came across any usage of the term anti-deutsch/anti-german in the Nazi-era context, yet)95.208.187.120 (talk) 10:27, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Islam
It should be made clear, that they hate muslims and germans (themselves), but love the US, Israel, support the building of settlements, support war (even nuclear!) against Iran, oppose antiimperialism ... I have seen these people in Vienna. They are truly evil, racist and retarded. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.121.36.33 (talk) 17:28, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

What an Idiotic comment — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.158.165.172 (talk) 18:29, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

 * It sounds like you are the evil, racist, and retarded one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spentgrodfg3 (talk • contribs) 09:33, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * In fact the position is true, they do hate muslims and germans, but love the US, Israel, support the building of settlements, support war (even nuclear!) against Iran, oppose antiimperialism ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.223.126.54 (talk) 10:44, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

The so-called Anti-Germans who are mostly Germans themselves are indeed Racists but they do not hate Muslims they are just against Islam. German Anti-Germans are just like Jewish Anti-Zionists self-haters.--141.19.228.15 (talk) 17:06, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

 * The only mention of Islam is in the categories. If they have a position on Islam, it should be in the article. --Error (talk) 14:56, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Image
is this image related to this movement, or is it just snark? its categorized as "Euromasochism", not sure if this exists.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 02:52, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

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Racism/Linksextrem
An anon editor put this book in as a "primary source" (although of course Wikipedia doesn't do primary sources, see WP:PRIM, but they probably didn't mean primary source) because it described the Anti-Germans as racist: Harald Bergdorf and Rudolf van Hüllen Linksextrem – Deutschlands unterschätzte Gefahr? Schöningh, Paderborn 2011, ISBN 978-3-506-77242-8. I have removed it, as I looked through it and couldn't find any reference to the Anti-Germans. Does anyone think (a) this book should be on the page, and (b) the page should be included under category:racism? BobFromBrockley (talk) 21:20, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

 * Im a German and I read the book and Anti-Germans are mentioned there and clasified as Racist.--Der Graufuchs (talk) 16:13, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I've searched again, and it doesn't use the term Antideutsch or Anti-German, or the word rassist(isch). Can you point to a page number or give more info? BobFromBrockley (talk) 13:36, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

A source to peruse for a critical section:
https://thecharnelhouse.org/2015/03/05/the-anti-german-ideology-towards-a-critique-of-anti-german-communism/

I don't have the energy to waste on this marginal movement in germany, currently loathed by the general left-wing and "jewish antifa Berlin" and boycotted more widely by others in Germany. Some have even worked with the AFD.

I can also recommend investigations into club/activism and culture which is the wellspring of various activisms in germany, for the antigermans this shitty clubs are called Golden Pudel (Hamburg), Conney Island (Leipzig), About Blank (Berlin), and roving parties called "love techno, hate germany":

These particular club spaces have banned the traditional scarf of the Kafiyah, provided material support to antipalestinian bigots, showed support for the recent Likud-pushed and Likud-titled "jewish nation/state law" which legitimates the exclusion of arabic culture from Israel (declassifying arabic as an official language and setting the stage for further push to destroy all palestinian culture in the region), and been implicated in numerous attacks on asylum-seekers and anti-bibi jewish-identifying israelis in berlin at protests (keep in mind antigermans are mostly demographically white germans...).

As you can see, I ghave a bit too much bias for these additions myself, but they are real things, so maybe someone else can add all this shit so we don't get the one-sided story of that exists here presently, this article is embarrassingly innacurate. talonx 77.191.121.255 (talk) 16:00, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * what you fail to see is that all of this, the criticism of islam, of german nationalism, of the Palestinian nationalist movement, of regeessive anticapitalism, their support of Israel and Zionism and general sympathy to USA all of it is based on a very orthodox marxist and critical theory position.These people are NOT anarchists, Trotskyists, Leninists, Stalinists, Maoists whatsoever but really very traditional Marxists and may identify as communist, social democrat, left liberal... but usually NOT as Anti-german.A small minority did use that term and a small kinority still does self-identify as such, but the majority does not and never did and still does not like the term seeing it as a slur from outside, either from right wing or very authoritarian and dogmatic left wing groups to oust all critics as "Anti-german".Also "Anti-germans" do not want to destroy or abandon the german state by violence, most of these people would be best described as either council-democrats or even "left-republicans", they are not very militant folk.--188.100.196.249 (talk) 13:48, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

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Alain Pompidou

Alain Pompidou (born 5 April 1942) is a French scientist and politician. A former professor of histology, embryology and cytogenetics, he was the fourth president of the European Patent Office (EPO) from 1 July 2004 to 30 June 2007. He is the adopted son of Georges Pompidou, former President of France.

Biography
Pompidou was born in Paris.

Professor of histology, embryology and cytogenetics (1974-2004)
He took doctorates in medicine, biology, and science. From 1974 to 2004, he was professor of histology, embryology and cytogenetics in the medical faculty of the University of Paris. Until 2004 he was also director of the laboratory of the Cochin – St Vincent de Paul – La Roche Guyon Hospital in Paris, head of the cytogenetics and pathology department, and chairman of the hospital group's advisory board. He hold tenures at the University of Alabama at Birmingham and at the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York.

He is also the author of numerous articles and monographs on science, ethics and society, as well as on biomedical ethics.

Advisor for science policy and science ethics
Pompidou served on the consultative and scientific committee of numerous national, European and international organisations, including the World Health Organization (WHO), UNESCO and the European Commission.

From 1990 to 2004, he was a member and founder of the French Academy of Technologies.

Between 1986 and 1997 he acted as a special adviser to the French prime minister, the minister of research and higher education and the minister of health.

He is also the author of Souviens-toi de l'homme: l'éthique, la vie, la mort (Payot, Paris, 1990).

He was rapporteur of the subcommission on ethics of outer space activities of the World Commission on Ethics (COMEST) of the UNESCO, and he became a member, then vice-chair of COMEST in 2004. From 1999 to 2004, he served as a spokesman on research and space policy on the French Economic and Social Council. In 1999, he authored the joint report of UNESCO and the European Space Agency (ESA) about The Ethics of Space Policy.

Member of the European Parliament (1989-1999)
As a member of the European Parliament from 1989 to 1999, he was particularly concerned with the EU Framework Programmes for Research and Technological Development, with the preparation of the Directive on the legal protection of biotechnological inventions ("gene patent directive"), and with bioethical issues as well as in innovation policy.

From 1994 to 1999 he was president of the European Parliament's Scientific and Technological Options Assessment, as well as President of the "Intergroupe Ciel et Espace Européen".

President of the European Patent Office (2004-2007)
In 2004, he was elected by the Administrative Council of the EPO as a result of a compromise. Although former presidents of the EPO held their post for at least seven years, Alain Pompidou was president for three years. He was succeeded by Alison Brimelow for an equal term. Alain Pompidou was the first Frenchman to hold the post of President of the EPO.

On 30 June 2004, the day before becoming president of the EPO, he and Albert-Claude Benhamou were granted, filed on 16 March 2001, for a "Device for in situ analysis and/or treatment consisting of a flexible rod and a micro-system fixed at one end of said flexible rod".

As the first president of the EPO with a background that is not specific to intellectual property, his action aimed at making the Organisation more open and at raising awareness about the importance of patent policy, in particular among policy makers.

The Saint Vincent de Paul Mortuary
Between 1990 and 2004 he was professor in charge of a number of medical services at Saint-Vincent-de-Paul hospital, in Paris, where in 2005 a collection of 351 foetuses and still-born babies was discovered.

The Parquet de Paris (Paris Public Prosecutor's office) found that no violation of French criminal law had taken place. The relevant ministries decided to put the case to the so-called Disciplinary Commission (the competent jurisdiction regarding lecturers and hospital employees of university hospitals) which has reprimanded Pompidou. Incurring a reprimand is extremely rare.

Honours

 * Knight of the National Order of the Legion of Honour Chevalier de la Légion d'Honneur
 * Officer of the Order of National Merit of France (Officer de l'Ordre national du Mérite)

title: Alain Pompidou