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Talk:Korçë

President of activist group used as a source
Just want to remind everyone that sources written by activist leaders of irredentist organisations do not meet wp:RS [].Alexikoua (talk) 09:22, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * If you are talking about Ardit Bido and his book, he is the director of the National Archives, so it does meet WP:RS standards, Autoqefalia e Kishës Ortodokse të Shqipërisë në marrëdhëniet shqiptaro-greke, 1918-1937. Edion Petriti (talk) 09:57, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, great! If my memory doesn't fail me (I'd appreciate a confirmation by the older editors or admins), Ardit Bido was active in Wikipedia a long time ago, prior to 2011 (when I formally joined the Project) and he was banned. The reason for the ban was POV if I am not mistaken. Citing a banned editor's work and baptising it a "WP:RS" isn't the way to go. Find another source to back the information in question, not a banned editor. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ (talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 11:02, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Are you sure that Ardit Bido the editor was the same as our Ardit Bido we're talking about? Do you have any proof? Edion Petriti (talk) 11:41, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

 * The work in question is . RS is determined by the quality of the work, which in this case is a 2020 publication by a high-quality publishing house, Routledge. Further personal remarks about a living scholar are under the scope of WP:BLP and I will ask immediately for them to be deleted.--Maleschreiber (talk) 12:30, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

RFC
Should we use Ardit Bido as a source? Edion Petriti (talk) 11:49, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Arbit Bido is/was the president of "Cham Albanian Youth" & "Club of Young Patriots" both irredentist organisations. He is involved in various minor incidents as an activist leader in these irredentist organisations [][]. These are far too low standarts to meet wp:RS.Alexikoua (talk) 12:06, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * close the RfC. We're not going to discuss if the author of a 2020 publication by Routledge is RS because some editors are making personal remarks about him and linking far-right Greek Orthodox sites as "proof" whose frontpage features articles which explain to readers why Greece should follow Poland's path and ban abortions, Title: A Catholic country gives a cultural lesson to 'Orthodox' Greece --Maleschreiber (talk) 12:30, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * @Maleschreiber: I assume this means that nationalist advocatives by all sides can be used as RS? It's clear that the specific author is quite famous in Albanian tv for his irrendentist activity and he certainly does not meet RS. Another nationalist declaration: []. Ardit Bibo is widely involved in nationalist politics so not the best example of RS. Alexikoua (talk) 12:51, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I think we should get an opinion from a user who is not involved in this debate. But for me, his doctoral thesis presents no problems, as part of published Academia. Otherwise we would not be able to cite Hitler's Mein Kampf because some user states that he was a national-socialist. If he has made irredentist claims, meaning some portion of an existing state should be allocated to another, links and sources should be given. Also, the above argument of him being a former user means nothing, does not stand. Edion Petriti (talk) 13:08, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Um, we should not be citing Hitler... in any case the appropriate venue is WP:RSN.--Calthinus (talk) 13:17, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * +1000 to Cal's comment ... for many reasons. The book was published by Routledge in 2020. RS judges the work and maybe the author based on criticism of their work. If you want to challenge it, the appropriate place to do so is RSN. Until then, the source will be returned and used. But this RfC and its comments can't continue - they're a BLP violation.--Maleschreiber (talk) 13:27, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The specific publication is reliable: Routledge Religion, Society and Government in Eastern Europe and the Former Soviet States  – Βατο (talk) 13:36, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * A leader of the nationalist Party for Justice, Integration and Unity can't be wp:RS in this encyclopedia. This definitely needs admin oversight. @Bato: Nationalism is something we should be all against.Alexikoua (talk) 15:29, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * @Alexi yes, but I personally don't know the career of the author of the book, I noticed it was published by Routledge in a series of . The more appropriate evaluation of the specific source is WP:RSN. – Βατο (talk) 15:47, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The author of this work is a leader of the nationalist PDIU in Albania and that's not a private information. The publishing house alone isn't enough to justify works issued by representatives of such parties. Let us wait for the outcome of the rfc.Alexikoua (talk) 15:54, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I, as an editor who opposed and still opposes all nationalist ideas, and who -mind you- went too far as to receive even idimidating threats by nationalists both outside and inside Wikipedia (something which the AE committee can confirm), find it unfortunate that the editors are sinking deeper into WP:NATIONALIST in this topic area. Yet, the worst isn't this. Is that the editors failed to ever realize how low this is! Even the willingness to consider RfCs or the RSN instead of dropping it outright, speaks volumes. From me is a big NO to any of the above recommendations and ideas. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ (talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 16:10, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

 * There can be no RfC that determines whether someone is a "nationalist" or not as means of examining WP:RS criteria. The next comment will go straight to BLP. You can't call the author of 2020 publication which is part of Routledge's series on religion a nationalist and use far right Greek Orthodox sites as "proof" in order to bypass WP:RS. It's a BLP attack. You can't call a living academic a "nationalist" without offering any proof that their work is actually nationalist and/or biased. In my book, if you don't want to use RSN, it means that you can't actually prove that the work is unreliable, so you're resorting to personal attacks against the author. I've seen it before when Sabrina P. Ramet was attacked without any shred of evidence. --Maleschreiber (talk) 19:54, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * PDIU is a nationalist party. This is widely accepted in mainstream Albanian media too []. Saying that an author does not meet RS is not a BLP attack. We need to be sensitive on such issues.Alexikoua (talk) 21:00, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * WP:SCHOLARSHIP: Bido (2020) is part of a Routledge series .  Routledge established that the author has achieved a level of academic maturity which makes him a reliable source for its publications, which are then distributed under various contracts in the libraries of humanities' departments around the world.

 * You are an anonymous editor on wikipedia and you can only judge reliability on the basis of the criteria which academic publishing houses establish. You cannot under any circumstances establish your own RS criteria and narrative (based on far right Greek websites) and you cannot use your personal criteria in order to characterize any living author. Other academics who publish under their real name in reliable journals can do so, not you. You can only accept WP:SCHOLARSHIP and use RSN for works, which you consider to be dubious. You can do that and if a community discussion supports your claims, then you can remove a source.--Maleschreiber (talk) 23:00, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

 * It's very disappointing for you to support the PDIU agenda that way. By the way WP:SCHOLARSHIP does not state that specific publishing houses can turn political activists into neutral authors. We need to use heavy precaution on this issue.Alexikoua (talk) 23:24, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I support the "agenda" of highly valued academic publishing houses against your personal narratives and a link from a far right Orthodox site. You can discuss your narrative with the community on WP:RSN. Until you do, I'll support the judgment of an academic publishing house which handles thousands of titles every year as opposed to the narrative of a far right blog. You do what you want to do with that information, but the debate is over because, frankly, you've got no argument in terms of WP:RS.--Maleschreiber (talk) 23:49, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * If you can support the claim that the specific author is not a leader of a nationalist party then there is no problem. This kind of political agenda is something all of us should be against. euronews.al isn't an far right Orthodox site.Alexikoua (talk) 00:21, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't see any problems. We should focus on the work itself, and not the author, he is probably RS. As for the claims made in his work, those should be under scrutiny. Edion Petriti (talk) 12:34, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
 * No wonder the work recicles the PDIU nationalist narrative: Himara was always Albanian inhabited, victimizing Albanians, demonizing non-Albanians, etc.. By the way there is no rule that a publishing house turns political leaders of far right political parties into neutral academics.Alexikoua (talk) 12:44, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Do you have any sources/links to back that up? Edion Petriti (talk) 12:55, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
 * As a source for what? This is a bad RfC, as it is not clear what is being asked. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 16:11, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
 * As a source for political and ecclesiastical matters regarding the Orthodox Albanians and Church. Are publications like
 * The Albanian Orthodox Church: A Political History, 1878-1945, 2020
 * Kisha Ortodokse Shqiptare: një histori politike (1878-1937), 2016

 * Autoqefalia e Kishës Ortodokse të Shqipërisë në marrëdhëniet shqiptaro-greke, 1918-1937

 * reliable? Should we use them in our edits? Because users like Alexikoua and SilentResident oppose using them. Edion Petriti (talk) 18:49, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
 * is right. This is a malformed RfC. Wikipedia is not a democracy. Reliability is established by WP:RS not via RfC.--Maleschreiber (talk) 03:59, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Motion to close RfC. This was never a productive venture. --Calthinus (talk) 04:32, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * No wonder the author above has already received negative reviews by reknowned academic journals (Friedrich Ebert Academic Foundation): as serving a specific point of view.Alexikoua (talk) 08:25, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

"Albanians remained in the province of Epirus, our brothers and language of a nation, are today's most pressing minorities across Europe.. PDIU asks today officially and directly, to the President, Prime Minister and Foreign Minister and any other state instance raise the issue of the remaining minority Cham Albanians to their Greek counterparts and the European Union.

"The demand of the Albanian side should be official recognition of the status of the Albanian national minority in Epirus. They are denied basic rights today: the right of self-proclaimed Albanian and education, communication involved when pushing native language. It is unconscionable if the Albanian state continues to be silenced, "said bido. I have the feeling that this serves a certain pov.Alexikoua (talk) 09:14, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Agree with to close the RfC. The reliablility of a source should be discussed at WP:RSN. – Βατο (talk) 10:13, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

 * Is the specific author a leader of a nationalist party? If yes then there is no need for discussion.Alexikoua (talk) 10:31, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * is an anonymous users' personal thought not backed by reliable sources. The opinions of three scholars about the specific publication can be found here, and contrast with yours. It should be discussed at WP:RSN, not here. – Βατο (talk) 10:38, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * A. Bido is a leader of the nationalist party PDIU. I can provide a mountain of sources for this fact. Moreover, since when opinions displayed in the book itself are considered a neutral selection of views?Alexikoua (talk) 11:05, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * . To sup up: that's not RS.Alexikoua (talk) 11:25, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * It is not the same publication. You removed from this article a book published under the Routledge editorial board in the high quality series: Routledge Religion, Society and Government in Eastern Europe and the Former Soviet States. You can discuss it at WP:RSN. Regards. – Βατο (talk) 12:41, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * According to Albanian media: [] he attacked Anastasios of Albania. You really believe that a specific author is neutral? Authors directly involved in politics, especially in the field of far-right irrendetism can't be qualified as RS. There is a strict policy wp:WHATWIKIPEDIAISNOT.Alexikoua (talk) 12:55, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , you shouldn't confuse bias with reliability (WP:BIASED). It is likely that Bido writes with an Albanian nationalist bias, but that doesn't mean that his book is unreliable for factual statements, just that it should be used alongside other sources. (t · c)  buidhe  12:58, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * There is already plenty of non-neutral bibliography in Balkan politics. I can name several published PhDs that were not so well accepted in wikipedia but this reaches a new level: the author (per Albanian media) being involved in far-right activism as a nationalist party leader.Alexikoua (talk) 13:15, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree with User:Buidhe. His statements should be discussed one for one, and not be taken down as a whole. Edion Petriti (talk) 14:09, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Anonymous editors can't decide whether a source is reliable or unreliable based on what they call "nationalist". Also, there's a BLP problem: you as an anonymous editor on wikipedia can't call any living author a nationalist without WP:EXTRAORDINARY backup from reliable sources. And you can't accuse someone of being a nationalist by providing as evidence the fact they seem to support Albanian language rights in Greece. That's not "nationalism", it's a basic human right which every community should enjoy throughout the world. I'll stop here - it's not wikipedia's function to be a WP:FORUM. Routledge's editorial board already decided that the work written by the author ( RS focuses first on the work and then the author if they have a long publishing history) is RS. They have the expertise to make that decision. Your contribution to that decision can only be made via the submission of a review article to a journal. --Maleschreiber (talk) 21:52, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * PDIU is a nationalist, far-right political party:[][][]The Party for Justice, Integration and Unity (Albanian: Partia Drejtësi, Integrim dhe Unitet orPDIU) is a nationalist political party in Albania whose primary aim is the promotion of nationalissues. The party's goals and objectives are to express the struggle of the "Ethinic Albanians,[]: The Party for Justice, Integration and Unity (Albanian: Partia Drejtësi, Integrim dhe Unitet orPDIU) is a nationalist political party in Albania whose primary aim is the promotion of nationalissues. The party's goals and objectives are to express the struggle of the "Ethinic Albanians,. The author of this work is president of the party's youth and among the main activists.Alexikoua (talk)

 * We're not discussing PDIU, we're discussing a particular work published in 2020 by Routledge. I'm sure that the Routledge editorial board took into account everything which they considered relevant about the publication's reliability. --Maleschreiber (talk) 22:19, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * A political party has leaders, one of them is the specific author.Alexikoua (talk) 22:34, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber, achieved a Ph.D. in mathematics from the University of Michigan. That doesn't mean all the mathematicians are bombers. Please provide sources regarding Bido's career and statements. The adherence to a political party disliked in Greece doesn't make him automatically an unreliable source. I saw his doctoral thesis, it was well-researched and had a lot of sources, 4-5 on every page. So... that's about that. Edion Petriti (talk) 07:36, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Promoting works by nationalist leaders falls into: wp:WHATWIKIPEDIAISNOT.Alexikoua (talk) 12:42, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The term "nationalist" is not even mentioned into the wp:WHATWIKIPEDIAISNOT. Which paragraph are you referring to? Edion Petriti (talk) 13:38, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Advocacy, propaganda, or recruitment of any kind: commercial, political. Imagine that this is about far-right politics. By the way PDIU advocates for the "unification of Albanians into one state" []. Off course a leader of a political party can be mentioned as representing his political views.Alexikoua (talk) 11:34, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Some links on sources regarding his activities of advocacy, propaganda or political recruitment would do, thank you. Or nationalist statements, in Albanian or English. Edion Petriti (talk) 08:25, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Recent Disagreement
@Khirurg, the line you have just readded and the corresponding source do not belong there. The source mentions nothing about the demographic reports of Korçë being affected by pro-Albanian bias and sympathies, it simply alludes to someone possibly passing pro-Albanian information onto the Commissioner in question, but the content of that information is not specified either. If you continue to add it, you will be violating WP:SYNTH. As per WP:SYNTH:

Nowhere in the quote that is currently present does Lambros Psomas say that based on biased pro-Albanian reports, Commissioner Sederholm noted in 1922 that Korçë's population was "entirely Albanian; the numbers of Greeks being insignificant". In fact, the quote makes no mention of Sederholm's report whatsoever, and the first half of the quote is entirely irrelevant. If there is another quote from the source which does indeed state that Sederholm's report on Korçë's demographics was influenced by misleading pro-Albanian information, then sure. Until then, it is WP:SYNTH. Botushali (talk) 03:51, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

 * There is no SYNTH whatsoever. SYNTH occurs when combining two or more sources, but there is only one source here. The source makes it very clear that Sederholm was influence by a biased report, it really is that simple. Khirurg (talk) 03:54, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * It's really not that simple, Khirurg. You cannot dismiss the fact that the quote makes no direct reference to the demographic report in question. Just read the quote and point out where it talks about this specific report being biased. And yes, this is SYNTH as it is combining the source from Psomas, who talks about something unrelated for the most part, and the source from Austin, which describes the report, to imply that Commissioner Sederholm wrote a biased, pro-Albanian misleading report on Korçë's demographics, but that is simply not the case. Unless you have a quote that actually says what it is you are trying to add to the article, any further discussion is practically useless. Botushali (talk) 04:07, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Here's the full quote from the source: Eyres was able to understand what was taking place in Korce¨. Because of Jacob’s presence, the ‘‘Manifesto,’’ the tension, and the uncertainty in the area, he followed the developments there directly and carefully. Yet, he misinformed his government by reporting that in the region of Gjirokaster the population had participated in the electoral process normally. 35 But the reality was that the Gjirokaste¨r region, together with the town of Himare¨, were strongly pro-Greek and the Orthodox Christians living there had abstained almost entirely from voting. Thus, the general picture that Eyres provided was misleading: the inhabitants of Gjirokaste¨r region, known for their allegiance to Greece, had indeed participated in the electoral process, which meant, for Eyres, that their supposed pro-Greek sympathies did not express the majority of the Orthodox Christians. In the pro-Albanian city of Korc¸e¨, a large part of the Christian population abstained from voting ‘‘owing to intrigues of Greek bishop and mayor,’’ as he cabled to the Earl of Kedleston. 36 The abstention from voting, therefore, occurred only in Korce¨ and only due to the intrigues of Jacob and Kota. Eyres, nonetheless, received a very revealing reply. Charles H. Tufton, FO secretary and head of the Central Department, asked Eyres to be more careful, as his informant on Gjirokaste¨r region, Morton Frederic Eden, was probably a victim of Albanian propaganda. The FO in London knew that Eyres’ information was misleading. It was also aware of the source of such misleading information: Morton Frederic Eden.
 * So it's not a case of SYNTH, but rather that the source not backing the claim being made. But look what else the source says: In contrast, the League of Nations commissioner in Albania, Dr. Sederholm, was a man who traveled almost to every part of the country and came into contact with the local population. Based on the information he gathered on the spot, possibly from election cataloges, he was able to point out that the Orthodox Christian inhabitants of Korc¸e¨ had almost entirely abstained from voting (about 97 percent). Sederholm also criticized the Albanian government for the way it had formed the electoral districts in an effort to eliminate Christian representation in the newly-formed Parliament, concluding that the Christians were ‘‘at the mercy of Mohammedan majorities.’’
 * So yes, it does not appear that Sederholm was misled about the demographics, but he was very critical of the Albanian government, and that can and should be added to the article. Khirurg (talk) 04:43, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * If it’s relevant to the article of Korçë, sure. Botushali (talk) 05:11, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Supposed judicial error without any evidence (& decision never overturned)
Claims of judicial errors even by allied military courts need serious backing. The court took place in Thessaloniki and the sentence was never overturned. O. Pearson who claims about the court that "its members having been led astray by Greek informers who wished Gërmenji killed" doesn't mention that the decision was overturned either not even any kind of appeal or protest. By the way O. Pearson in this book declares himself (in his intro) as a pro-Zogist supporter and sympathiser []: as such wp:BLP accusations are not valid here: the reader needs to be aware of the quality of this information.

The same event is mentioned in Winnifrith (2002) (who is not a declared sympathizer of any specific ideology) he does mention this decision too but without saying anything about anonymous Greek informers who managed to influence the allied court because they wanted Germeni killed. This last clearly falls into WP:EXTRAORDINARY and claims of judicial errors by declared sympathisers claiming that anonymous informers managed to convince a court to impose the death penalty should be treated with heavy precaution.Alexikoua (talk) 02:55, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I haven't read what the dispute is about, but it's best to avoid discussing specific sources in such terms. If there is a particular concern about Pearson (2005), it's best to look for sources which review his work and bring the issue to RSN to the extent that a debate about his work exists in bibliography.--Maleschreiber (talk) 21:10, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I've read the available mainstream scholarship and there is evidence of Germenji was in close cooperation with the Bulgarian forces. Some quotes that are quite useful on the issue (by I. Blumi)

There is also Elsie & Winnifrith etc that don't mention anything about this so-called judicial error or the supposed Greek informers that finally convinced the court to execute Germenji. As such the text needs to be rephrased per wp:RS. On the other hand Pearson declares himself a fervent supporter and personal friend of Zog (quite interesting Zog was also a Central Powers supporters as stated by I.Blumi) Alexikoua (talk) 23:01, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Blumi and Pearson in what they say do not counter with each other. You have provided no credible reason why Pearson should be removed or even modified. Ktrimi991 (talk) 00:36, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The source you used talks about Bulgarians. Gërmenji was executed on accusations of being an Austrian spy, not Bulgarian. Botushali (talk) 00:54, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

 * Yet another academic paper that avoids this kind of wp:EXTRAORDINARY claim about a 'grave judicial error' without providing any evidence (Augris, 2000): . In general scholarship avoids to use weird claims without concrete evidence and the last sentence here describes the court's decision in a neutral way. Alexikoua (talk) 02:46, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * A 'grave judicial error' as it turned the Albanians against the French entirely. It is not a weird claim, it was a very unpopular decision on behalf of the French as it resulted in the Albanians rising against them. Nonetheless, I am not sure if you are able to read and write in French, but the source above does not disprove what Pearson wrote; in fact, it also supports the idea that Gërmenji was executed to appease the Greeks. You keep providing sources, none of which qualify for Pearson's removal from this article.
 * Also, as a side note, Pearson being pro-Zogist does not discredit what he wrote on Gërmenji. Much of the patriotic Albanian nuclei, of which figures such as Gërmenji were part of, opposed Zog just as they opposed Essad Pasha. It makes no sense for Pearson to make things up about Gërmenji to somehow support Zog. These two figures (Zog and Essad Pasha) are widely regarded as traitors of the Albanian people. Botushali (talk) 03:59, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Augris (2000) supports Pearson's statement that Germenji was executed to appease the Greek side. Thanks Alexikoua for finding that source. Ktrimi991 (talk) 11:50, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes he provides a detailed and neutral explanation on the court's decision "seems to indicate" without over- exaggerating about so-called "grave judicial errors" without providing evidence on that.Alexikoua (talk) 05:41, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Is this part verbally taken from Pearson It later became clear that the military tribunal had made a grave judicial error, its members having been led astray by Greek informers who wished Gërmenji removed since he was a powerful Albanian leader.? I kindly asked for a quote (without success) but now after acquiring access on this book it is definitely taken word by word from Pearson.Alexikoua (talk) 05:54, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Alexikoua, you never asked for a quote on this TP, and if you did on your edit summaries, it must not have been clear enough. Nonetheless, you have failed to provide any evidence that refutes or denies the statements made by Pearson, so please refrain from altering his work in the future. Thanks. Botushali (talk) 00:54, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * You fail to answer to the subject, but I assume that you need to familiarize yourself with wp:COPYVIO and COPYPASTE: In most cases, you may not copy text from other sources into Wikipedia. Doing so is a copyright violation. Always write the articles in your own words and cite the sources of the article.Alexikoua (talk) 04:46, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Peer review/Virtuti Militari/archive1

Virtuti Militari
The highest Polish medal. Besides the fact it has no references (I am working on it), I think it is ready for FAC. It looks as good as current FA Medal of Honor. Would you have any other comments? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 20:13, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Glad you like the article :) As to the comments - it indeed lacks references. Again, as with other articles I created, I can find a plethora of useless sources (that is Polish-language books I actually used) and a number of probably-related English language books I've never read. Which sources should I include? Halibutt 20:21, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Both, please :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 20:40, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * The tables look messed up on a 15 inch monitor - adding heaps of white space so you might want to play with the layout. I'd rather read some more prose on selected recipients than the list at the end so you might want to work some more names and details into the text, having more text might fix up the format too. You should only include the works you have used as references, include a list of further reading for the english language works since they weren't used for writing the text. --nixie 12:33, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Expanded prose. Still looking for references used. Tables look good on my monitor (17). Tnx for the comments. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 12:26, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Category talk:Jurists by nationality

International
There is no category for International Jurists, World Court judges for example.Nobs01 20:13, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Disputed
See Talk:Jurist as the definition given here is contradicted within the article Jurist. - Fayenatic (talk) 17:11, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

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The Safety Dance

"The Safety Dance" is a song by Canadian new wave/synth-pop band Men Without Hats, released in Canada in 1982 as the second single from Rhythm of Youth. The song was written by lead singer Ivan Doroschuk after he had been ejected from a club for pogo dancing.

The song entered the Canadian top 50 in February 1983, peaking at number 11 on May 14. In the meantime, "The Safety Dance" was released in the US on March 16, but did not enter the US charts for a few months. When it finally did, the record became a bigger hit than it had been in Canada, spending four weeks at its peak position of number 3 in September and October 1983, and staying on the Billboard Hot 100 for 24 weeks. It also reached number 1 on Cash Box, as well as number 1 on the Billboard Dance Chart. "The Safety Dance" found similar success in other parts of the world, entering the UK charts in August and peaking at number 6 in early November, and entering the New Zealand charts in November, eventually peaking at number 2 in early 1984. The song was also a massive success in South Africa, reaching No. 1 on the Springbok charts. The song has been inducted into the Canadian Songwriters Hall of Fame.

In 2021, the band released a recording of a new version the song, reimagined as a mid-tempo ballad, under the title "No Friends of Mine". The track is included on their 2022 EP Again (Part 1).

Meaning of the song
The writer/lead singer Ivan Doroschuk has explained that "The Safety Dance" is a protest against bouncers prohibiting dancers from pogoing to 1980s new wave music in clubs when disco was declining and new wave was coming in. Unlike disco dancing, which is done with partners, new wave dancing is done individually and involves holding the torso rigid while thrashing about; pogoing involves jumping up and down (the more deliberately violent evolution of pogoing is slamdancing). Clubgoers doing the newer pogo dance were perceived as posing a danger to disco dancers on the dance floor, and so club bouncers would tell pogoers to stop or be kicked out of the club. Thus, the song is a protest and a call for freedom of expression.

In 2003, on an episode of VH1's True Spin, Doroschuk responded to two common interpretations of the song. Firstly, he explained "The Safety Dance" is not a call for safe sex, and that this interpretation is "people reading into it a bit too much". Secondly, he explained that it is not an anti-nuclear protest song per se despite the nuclear imagery at the end of the video. Doroschuk stated that "it wasn't a question of just being anti-nuclear, it was a question of being anti-establishment."

Music video
The music video for the song (which uses the shorter single version), directed by Tim Pope, is notable for its British folk revival imagery, featuring Morris dancers, Mummers, Punch and Judy and a maypole. It was filmed in the village of West Kington in Wiltshire, England. Ivan Doroschuk is the only member of the band actually to perform in the video. Doroschuk, and others in the video, can be seen repeatedly forming an "S" sign by jerking both arms into a stiff pose, one arm in an upward curve and the other in a downward curve, apparently referring to the first letter in "safety". The Morris dancers seen in the video were the Chippenham Town Morris Men. The little person actor is Mike Edmonds, whose T-shirt in the video shows the Rhythm of Youth album cover. The identity of the blonde-haired woman by the name of Jenny seen dancing in the video remained unknown until 2013 when she was identified as Louise Court, a journalist who was editor-in-chief at Cosmopolitan and became a director at Hearst Magazines UK in 2015.

In popular culture
In 1984, "Weird Al" Yankovic released a parody of "The Safety Dance" titled "The Brady Bunch" on his album In 3-D, about The Brady Bunch TV series.

In 1996, Status Quo released a cover of the song featuring Tessa Niles on their album Don't Stop.

The song is performed in "Dream On", an episode of the TV series Glee. In the episode, wheelchair user Artie Abrams (Kevin McHale) fantasizes about being able to dance and lead a flash mob performance of the song in a shopping mall. Ivan Doroschuk credited this version with "reaching a whole other section of people" to appreciate the song.

Saturday Night Safety Dance is a 1980s-themed program on Sirius XM's 1st Wave channel.

In 2021, Angel Olsen released a cover of the song on her EP of 1980s covers Aisles.

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Road toll (Australia and New Zealand)

Road toll is the term used in New Zealand and Australia for the number of deaths caused annually by road accidents.

New Zealand
New Zealand reports a daily, monthly, quarterly and annual nationwide road toll, plus special period figures for a number of holiday periods:
 * Christmas – New Year : between 4pm on 24 December (22 or 23 December if 24 December falls on a weekend) and 6am on 3 January (4 or 5 January if 1 and/or 2 January fall on a weekend or 2 January falls on a Friday).
 * Easter — from 4pm on the day before Good Friday and 6am the following Tuesday.
 * Queen's Birthday — from 4pm on the Friday before the first Monday in June to 6am the following Tuesday.
 * Labour Day Weekend — from 4pm on the Friday before the last Monday in October to 6am the following Tuesday.

The road toll includes deaths which occur within 7 days of a road accident as a result of injuries received in the accident. Deaths of pedestrians and cyclists are included, but deaths from vehicular accidents not on legal roads (e.g. on farms) are excluded.

The New Zealand road toll has exhibited a downward trend since the late 1980s through to 2010, which was attributed to a number of factors:
 * A reduction in drink driving, due to public education and strict policing.
 * Improvements in vehicle safety.
 * An increase in the wearing of seat belts due to public education
 * Hazard mitigation works on dangerous stretches of road.
 * Reduction of speed limits in some accident blackspots and areas frequented by vulnerable road users.

Recent road toll figures
Road toll statistics are available from as far back as 1921, when records began. A peak was reached with 843 deaths in 1973. Here are some figures from the last few years (dashes indicate figures not published or unavailable).

Deaths per capita
Road deaths and injuries per capita since 2000.

By types of road user
A breakdown of the types of road users involved in the road death toll since 2010.

By age
The following table gives the number of road toll deaths by age group from 2010. The total killed includes unknown aged fatalities.

By region
Local Body boundary changes mean that records have been kept from 1980 onwards. In November 2010, the Auckland Super City was established. The figures have been altered for Auckland and other regions to allow for this development.

Trucks
Around 20% of deaths involve trucks, though trucks form only about 3% of traffic on the roads. A speed study of 188 trucks found 86% took corners faster than the recommended speed and, of truck crashes on the Kaikōura coast, 73% had rolled on a corners with an advisory speed sign.

Tourist road toll
Overseas licence holders are involved in just over 6 percent of fatal and injury crashes. In 2016 overseas drivers (those with an overseas drivers licence) were involved in 24 fatal traffic crashes, 114 serious injury crashes and 506 minor injury crashes. In comparison, in total in New Zealand in 2016, there were 286 fatal crashes, 2,099 serious injury crashes and 7,583 minor injury crashes. Over the five years from 2012-2016, 6.2 percent of fatal and injury crashes involved an overseas driver. Over the same period, 4.1 percent of all drivers involved in crashes were overseas drivers. In 2019 6 fatal crashes involved overseas drivers, killing 17 people.

Australia
In Australia the road toll is reported at a state level. Similar to New Zealand, Australia also reports national figures for special holidays, though usually only for the Christmas and Easter holiday periods.

In 2010, 1367 people lost their lives in road traffic crashes in Australia. While strategies to reduce road toll, including legislation, improvements to vehicle's which help to make them safer, and educational programs have been developed by the national government, under the 1992 Road Safety Strategy, it is up to the local governments to adopt and enforce these policies. The state of Victoria has implemented several initiatives such as speed camera, random alcohol breath tests, and an integrated state trauma system, which have successfully reduced the number of deaths caused by road traffic crashes.

Random breath testing ("RBT"), utilized throughout Australia, differs from the sobriety check-points commonly used in other countries. In Australia, random breath testing is accomplished by setting up a highly visible road block, wherein all drivers passing through are asked to take an alcohol breath test, regardless of whether there is any cause to believe the driver has been drinking. RBT was shown to reduce alcohol related road toll by 8–71% in fourteen different studies reviewed by Dr. Corinne Peek-Asa. Requiring motorists and passengers to wear seat belts appears to have reduced the road toll in Australia.

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South Lebanon (disambiguation)

South Lebanon may refer to:

 * 1978 South Lebanon conflict
 * Free Lebanon State, a quasi-state also known as South Lebanon
 * South Governorate, one of the governorates of Lebanon
 * South Lebanon Army, of the country Lebanon
 * South Lebanon security belt administration, a Christian provisional government in Israeli-occupied Lebanon
 * Southern Lebanon, the geographical area of Lebanon
 * South Lebanon conflict (1982–2000)
 * South Lebanon conflict (disambiguation)
 * South Lebanon Township (disambiguation)
 * South Lebanon Township, Pennsylvania, part of the Lebanon, Pennsylvania, metropolitan area
 * South Lebanon, Ohio, a village in the United States
 * South Lebanon, Oregon, a census-designated place in the United States

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Thamaraikulam Pathi

Thamaraikulam Pathi (தாமரைகுளம் பதி), is one among the Pancha pathi, the five holy places of Ayyavazhi. The Ari Gopalan Citar, who wrote the Akilam was born here.

Thamaraikulam Pathi was built by (present constructions) Pathi first Guru.Ponnaranainjavan Udaiyakutti in his land. Akilathirattu Ammanai Written by Arigopalancidar in Thamaraikulam Pathi. This was considered as a Pathi because the Akilam was written down here, which was one among the incarnational activities of Vaikundar. When Ayya Vaikudar came out from the sea (after his first vinchai) he decided and planned to do meditation at here only. This is the first place he visited and started his first pathi. This is the First pathi in the All Pancha pathi's. During the times of Ayya Vaikunder, he was taken once in a year in a Vahana by the devotees to this Pathi.

Prayers and Festivals
Like the other Pathis, the Panividais are conducted thrice a day the special panividais are on every Sundays. The Kodiyettru Thirunal is celebrated here during the Tamil month of Panguni starting from the second Friday of Panguni and last for eleven days. The Thirdu Eadu-vasippu here is celebrated here for seventeen days in the Tamil month of Karthigai. It was at the same time the same festival is conducted in Swamithope pathi. Since the Akilam was written down here, only during this fest the pathi is considered with high sacrament than Swamithope pathi. The Original Palm-leaf version of Akilam is readout here for seven days. Then worshippers as procession, used to bring it to Swamithoppe pathi on last Sunday of the Tamil Month of Karthigai and after completing it reading for seventeen days again return it to Thamaraikulam pathi and complete it by reading the rest in ten days. Another important festival celebrated by Ayyavazhi followers centering Thamaraikulam Pathi is the 'Vahana bhavani' (procession carrying Ayya in a Vahana) to Thamaraikulam from Swamithope pathi. It is a One-day-festival celebrated on the last Sunday of Tamil month Panguni. On that day people from Swamithoppe march in great numbers to Muttapathi under the leadership of Payyan carrying Ayya in a Vahana. It was in practice right from the time of Vaikundar.

Location and religious status
This Pathi is located 8 km South-east to Nagercoil 7 km North-west to Kanyakumari. It was also located 2 km south to Swamithope. It also lies 3 km west to the historical Agastheeswaram. There is a direct bus service from Nagercoil and Kanyakumari to here.

This is the place where Ayya commissioned the Citar to write down the Akilam by telling the first sullable of 'The Kappu', of Akilam, it was considered with equal importance with other Pathis. Also Akilam too accredit it as a 'Pathi'.

Architecture and Structure
As all other Pathis, the Palliyarai here forms the inner and the central structure of the whole architecture. An inner corridor, which allows the worshippers to circum-ambulate, surrounds the Palliyarai. In front of this inner corridor, there is a hall in which the prayers are conducted. Sivayu Medai is located in the south-east of Palliyarai.

Administration
Due to lot of issues now the temple is under administration/control of Hindu Religious and Charitable Endowments Department, however daily panividai and festivals are handled by traditional Thamarai pathi parambarai Guru family members. Now the situation is better since its administrated by Government of Tamilnadu (Hindu Religious and Charitable Endowments Department) and village separatists are not involved in temple administration.

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Allegorical sculpture

Allegorical sculpture are sculptures of personifications of abstract ideas as in allegory. Common in the western world, for example, are statues of Lady Justice representing justice, traditionally holding scales and a sword, and the statues of Prudence, representing Truth by holding a mirror and squeezing a serpent.

This approach of using the human form and its posture, gesture, clothing and props to wordlessly convey social values and themes. It may be seen in funerary art as early as 1580. They were used on Renaissance monuments when patron saints became unacceptable. Particularly popular were the four cardinal virtues and the three Christian virtues, but others such as fame, victory, hope and time are also represented. The use of allegorical sculpture was fully developed under the École des Beaux-Arts. It is sometimes associated with Victorian art, and is commonly found in works dating from around 1900.

Notable allegorical sculptures

 * The Four cardinal virtues, by Maximilian Colt, on the monument to Robert Cecil, 1st Earl of Salisbury in Bishop's Hatfield Church in the English county of Hertfordshire, before 1641.
 * Pinto's Allegories of Justice and Truth by architect Giuseppe Bonici and mason Giovanni Puglisi, 1758.
 * The figures of the four continents and four arts and sciences surrounding the Albert Memorial in Kensington Gardens, 1872.
 * The Statue of Liberty (Liberty Enlightening the World), 1886.
 * Passing of the Buffalo by Cyrus Dallin in Muncie, Indiana, 1929.
 * Figures of War and Peace located at the Millennium Monument at Heroes' Square Hősök tere, Budapest, Hungary, ca. 1900
 * In Pan-American Exposition of 1901 in Buffalo, New York had an extensive scheme of allegorical sculpture programmed by Karl Bitter.
 * Statue of Justice on the Old Bailey in London ca. 1902
 * Four statues, Industry, Science, Agriculture, and Literature, by J. Massey Rhind at the Birch Bayh Federal Building and United States Courthouse, Indianapolis, Indiana, 1905.
 * The allegorical group on top of Grand Central Terminal in Manhattan, created by the French sculptor Jules-Felix Coutan in 1912, represents the Roman gods, Hercules (physical energy), Mercury (commerce ) and Minerva (wisdom), and collectively represents 'Transportation'.
 * The Memory Statue is the centerpiece of the Sherborn War Memorial in Sherborn, Massachusetts by Cyrus Dallin, 1924.

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Recipe
Can you put the recipe in Wikibooks:Cookbook?159753 20:15, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I could, but even though Wikipedia is not supposed to be a cookbook, I think the presence of this brief recipe is acceptable here. The only reason I included it was to give readers a better idea of the dish - not to encourage them to try a recipe. I you feel otherwise, or if there is an unwritten rule that generally forbids the inclusion of recipes here, that's fine, and I am not going to protest if you remove it. Still, I for one would prefer to keep it for the time being. --Thorsten1 17:43, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * PS: I put the recipe in the Cookbook anyway . --Thorsten1 17:54, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Added headings and links to the cookbook entry. Thanks for contributing over there. Mrtea (talk) 04:57, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, nobody eats bigos with potatoes. Bigos is only served on big holidays and nobody even thinks of boiling potatoes and ruining the taste. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.199.198.237 (talk) 22:35, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I eat bigos with potatoes, for about a week and a half in the middle of winter, during which I keep the pot going by adding ingredients as they become depleted. No holidays involved.--BillFlis (talk) 03:07, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * … and Żerańska's book (see References) suggests serving both bigos myśliwski and bigos warszawski with potatoes or rye bread. Maybe you are of the exclusively rye bread camp. She also has some short chapters on various holidays and special occasions; she lists bigos on menus for the second day of Xmas, New Year's Eve, dinner parties, and banquets. But this is an old book (1968) and times change; for example, Xmas Eve is no longer meatless.--BillFlis (talk) 09:59, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * And you in any case never, I emphasize never, drain bigos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.75.167.214 (talk) 18:29, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

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almost correct :-)
"it may derive from German begossen, meaning "doused" or "basted"." No, from "der Beiguß". It came to Poland from Germany, via "multi-kulti" Silesia.

Poland? Yes, today.
"Originally from Poland" No, originally from the German "lands", it was a hunter´s dish.
 * Sounds like mixing up kraut and бигус together, Herr Anon. It's like mixing up cervelat, Bavarian smokey sausages and Vienna sausages as "all German"... 109.252.66.34 (talk) 14:07, 5 February 2023 (UTC
 * Sources, please? Merangs (talk) 23:25, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

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Coppelia

Coppelia may refer to:

 * Coppélia, an 1870 comic ballet
 * Coppelia, a 2021 ballet film combining live dance with animation
 * Coppelia (ice cream parlor), in Havana, Cuba
 * 815 Coppelia, a minor planet (asteroid)
 * Coppelia, the Animated Doll, a 1900 French short silent film

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User talk:Kdhenrik~enwiki

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 * Thanks for your standardmessage. However I'm not a beginner, I've been on the Swedish Wikipedia for a year now... /Kdhenrik 21:00, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hello Karlskronait
Hi. Someone recently wrote about Hyper Island which is in Karlskrona. Unfortunately I had to remove 95% of the article because it was copy-n-pasted from the official webpage, which is sad because it was intersting info.

But perhaps you'd be interst in having a look, and mention if you have heard of it, perhaps by providing some info?

Regards, Fred-Chess 16:50, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

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Families (TV series)

Families is a daytime soap opera, which was on ITV from 1990 to 1993 and created by Kay Mellor. It followed two families; the Thompsons, based in Cheshire, England (in the fictional market town of Westbury), and the Stevens, living in Sydney, Australia. It was produced and recorded at Studio 6 at Granada Studios in Manchester.

History
It was broadcast twice a week (Monday and Tuesday) at 3.20 pm with the first episode broadcast on 23 April 1990. Both episodes were also repeated on Thursday 10.40 pm in the Granada TV region as part of Granada's "10.40-extra" strand. The show was unusual for a daytime soap, regularly tackling subjects that at the time would have been deemed controversial for a prime time soap. These included murder, suicide, incest, drugs, adultery, prostitution, mental health problems and homosexuality. It also contained some strong language and scenes of a sexual nature, all of which were screened, in most ITV regions, just before children's TV started at 15.50. In its later months the show was screened at 14.45–15.15. The theme music was by Matthew Scott.

The Granada-produced soap ceased production in July 1993, to make way for daytime repeats of Coronation Street and Emmerdale. The last show episode of 320 was broadcast in August 1993. It had a dramatic feature length finale which saw a birth, a possible suicide and a large and unexpected inheritance.

Several of those who worked on the series later went on to higher-profile careers: Jude Law was a regular cast member for two years (as Nathan Thompson) and Russell T Davies wrote for the programme. Amanda Wenban went from Families to star in the Yorkshire Television soap Emmerdale before heading back to Cheshire to play the role of Ruth Tyler in the second series of Russell T Davies' camp and ironic late night soapy-drama Revelations.

Storylines
The link in the storyline was businessman Mike Thompson (Malcolm Stoddard), who walked out on his family on his birthday and flew to Australia to be with his true love Diana Stevens (Briony Behets), whom he had left years earlier. Unbeknownst to Mike, Diana had given birth to his son Andrew (Tayler Kane) and as complications ensued over the abrupt life changes for both families, Andrew travelled to England, where he met Mike's daughter, Amanda (Laura Girling), by his English wife Sue (Morag Hood), and they fell in love, not realising that they were half-brother and sister. This plot line was somewhat similar to the opening storyline of the popular Australian soap opera Sons and Daughters which had successfully aired on ITV daytime since 1983.

After two years, stories involving the Thompson and Stevens families—and the UK-Australian crossover angle—had run their course, with several characters either dead or left for pastures new (typically Brighton or Canberra). In their place came the wealthy Bannerman family, who were introduced during the summer of 1992, as they moved into the Thompsons' Cheshire mansion from a suburb of Manchester. In addition, some of the remaining Australian-based characters (including Diana Stevens and her husband Anton Vaughan) were re-located to England.

The series subsequently followed the intrigues involving the new family. Head of the Bannerman household was successful barrister Charles (Terence Harvey). The rest of the family comprised Charles' decorative wife Isabelle (Helen Bourne) and their four children—upstanding heir to the family law firm Simon (Thomas Russell), irresponsible teenager Matthew (Oliver Milburn), angelic countrywoman Rebecca (Karen Westwood) and beautiful go-getting vamp Juliette (Emma Davies). Juliette's best friend and Simon's fiancée Fiona Lewis (Claire Marchionne) also appeared, and turned out to be Charles' mistress.

To add balance to the series, the Richards family, who ran the local pub (The Railway), were also prominently featured, having been introduced during the latter Thompson family era in April 1991. They comprised: Larry (John Bowe), Jane (Margot Leicester) and daughters Chelsea (Tara Moran) and Louise (Victoria Finney). A son David was mentioned but never seen on-screen, as he lived in the US. Also present was Jane's sister Jackie Williams (Amanda Wenban) who had emigrated to Australia years earlier but was visiting Jane when the Richards family was first introduced. On her return to her own family in Sydney, she helped continue the UK-Australian crossover angle for a further year.

Main cast

 * Mike Thompson – Malcolm Stoddard
 * Sue Thompson – Morag Hood
 * Mark Thompson – Martin Glyn Murray
 * Nathan Thompson – Jude Law
 * John Thompson – Tim Woodward
 * Amanda Thompson – Laura Girling
 * Diana Stevens – Briony Behets
 * Christian Stevens – Simon Edward Stokes
 * Andrew Stevens – Tayler Kane
 * Justine Stevens – Imogen Annesley
 * George Davidson – Harry Littlewood
 * Ruby Davidson – Madge Ryan
 * Rachel Grandby – Anna Welsh
 * Corinne Todd – Tessa Humphries
 * Barbara Todd – Lyn Ashley
 * Lisa Shepherd – Jane Hazlegrove
 * Jackie Williams – Amanda Wenban
 * Brian Williams – Kim Knuckey
 * Paul Williams – Craig Black
 * Jade Williams – Sascha Huckstepp
 * Don McLeod – Bruce Hughes
 * Anton Vaughan – Rhett Walton
 * Larry Richards – John Bowe
 * Jane Richards – Margot Leicester
 * Chelsea Richards – Tara Moran
 * Louise Richards Victoria Finney
 * Neil Brooks – Patrick Cremin
 * Charles Bannerman – Terence Harvey
 * Isabelle Bannerman – Helen Bourne
 * Rebecca Bannerman – Karen Westwood
 * Simon Bannerman – Thomas Russell
 * Juliette Bannerman – Emma Davies
 * Matthew Bannerman – Oliver Milburn
 * Fiona Lewis – Claire Marchionne
 * Steve Harvey – Terence Hillyer
 * Linda Harvey – Louise Plowright
 * Gary Harvey – Jim Shepley
 * Daniel Fielding – Gary Turner
 * Dot Downing – Joan Campion
 * James Proctor – Harry Shearer
 * Dex – Harry Van Gorkum
 * Chris Harrison – Richard Standing

Filming
The show was filmed in north east Cheshire and Altrincham. Much of the UK/Australia plot was directed by Nicholas Ferguson, with all of the interior scenes shot in the Granada studio in Manchester. Cicely Mill in the village of Rostherne, Cheshire, was used as the Thompson/Bannerman house. The stables where Amanda and subsequently Rebecca ran their business were in the nearby Tatton Park estate (the stables have since been converted into a coffee shop/restaurant). The Thompsons' garage was Ashley Smithy Garage in Ashley and The Railway Pub can be found in Heatley. Fiona Lewis and Simon Bannerman got married in St Oswald's church, Lower Peover (which also featured in Revelations) and the aborted first wedding of Amanda Thompson and Neil Brooks was in St Mary's church, Nether Alderley.

Repeats
The series was given a full repeat on Granada Plus, when it launched on 1 October 1996, usually screened weeknights at 18:30. The run concluded on Friday 26 June 1998 and was replaced by Emmerdale from Monday 29 June 1998, with episodes beginning from 1989. Sky Soap also broadcast the series, Monday to Friday at 1.15pm, from 1 September 1997 to 26 November 1998.

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Pourouma cecropiifolia

Pourouma cecropiifolia (Amazon grape, Amazon tree-grape or uvilla; syn. P. multifida) is a species of Pourouma, native to tropical South America, in the western Amazon Basin in northern Bolivia, western Brazil, southeastern Colombia, eastern Ecuador, eastern Peru, and southern Venezuela.

It is a medium-sized evergreen tree growing to 20 m tall. The leaves are palmately compound, with 9–11 leaflets 10–20 cm long and 2.5–4 cm broad, on a 20 cm petiole. The flowers are white, produced 20 or more together in a 10 cm long inflorescence; it is dioecious, with male and female flowers on separate trees. The fruit is ovoid, 1–2 cm long, purple when ripe, grape-like except for its wintergreen smell; the skin is rough, inedible but easily peeled.

Agriculture
The fruit is sweet and juicy, eaten fresh and made into jams. The tree grows quickly, and grows well in poor upland soils. It is vulnerable to floods. The fruit is susceptible to fungal attacks and does not keep well, which limits its commercial viability.

It is considered a wild edible plant, as most of the little cultivation is for domestic consumption.

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Poo Pathi

Poo Pathi (பூப்பதி) is one of the Pancha pathi, which are the primary worship centers and holy places of Ayyavazhi. As the incarnational activity of Vaikundar, the marriage with Poomadanthai, the Goddess of Earth was the event that took place here. This Poomadanthai was the final deity unified by Vaikundar into himself, symbolizing the destruction of Kali from the world (earth).

Also some historians view that this was previously a Siva temple from which it was changed as a Pathi.

History
The village Soorangudi is situated east to Eathamozhi in the Kanyakumari district. Once a rich man named Sri rangan lived there, who had only one daughter. After she matured she remained only in the house, since during those days young ladies were not allowed to come out of the residence. At that time, informed by Vaikundar about the divine birth of such a virgin, the Citars of Vaikundar went to Sri rangan's house with a proposal for her from Vaikundar who was then acting as a Pandaram.

They gave the details about Vaikundar to Sri rangan. The moment he heard that the man for whom the people had come for, is an Age-old person, he grew angry and along with his workmen, attacked them severely and tied them to a pillar.

Then following a dialogue with the wisemen of the village, he released them. The citars came weeping, and walked eastwards to meet Vaikundar. At that time they met Vaikundar at a place called Naraiyan vilai. Ayya was seated under the shade of Laurel trees and asked about the happenings. The citars told what had happened. Hearing this Vaikundar said, "My women will come here." At the next moment the daughter of Sri rangan went there with her hair uncombed. Following her was a group of people.

Following them, Sri rangan and his wife came running and fell on the feet of Vaikundar and said,

"Your holiness, she was the one and only daughter given by God to us. She took only vegetarian food right from her childhood. She led a divine life by bathing and worshipping twice a day. She was not interested in marriage. Under such circumstance, when thine Citars came with the proposal addressing thineself as a Pandaram, I grew angry. When I beat them, my daughter cried out as if all beatings fell on her. Afterwards we can't control her and she ran towards here. So please pardon us. Please accept her."

Hearing this, Vaikundar advised him for his ignorance of the divine birth of his daughter. He said that she was the incarnation of the Bhooma Devi the goddess of Earth. She was performing austerity towards God to marry her and to unify her into himself. And so fulfilling that, the above drama is played out.

Vaikundar married her under the shade of the laurel trees. The trees threw flowers over the couple, wishing them well. The devas praised the couple and threw flowers over them, and since then that place is called Poo Pathi, where  'Poo'  means flower in Tamil Language. Afterwards, Ayya along with Bhooma devi returned to Swamithoppe, where the followers gave them a warm welcome.

Later the devotees established a Pathi at this place and it is called as Poo pathi. Festivals are conducted every year and this temple is owned by the village and maintained by the village committee. Poopathi is located about ten kilometers south of Nagercoil near Eathamozhi.

Festivals
Also apart from 'The Great Masi Procession' from Nagercoil to Swamithope pathi, there is also a procession conducted from Poo Pathi to Ambala Pathi, which was organised by unifying the different processions from western parts of Kanyakumari district.

The Thiru Eadu-Vasippu is conducted here starting from 2nd of the Tamil Month of Karthigai and will continue for about seventeen days. The celebration of Ayya Vaikunda Avatharam is celebrated for two days here on 19th and the 20th of the Tamil Month of Masi. Anna dharmam is conducted during all festival days. A bus facility is available for this Pathi from Nagercoil.

The special feature here is the Laurel trees. And Ayya unified Poomadanthai into him only under the shade of these laurel trees. Also some historians view that, this was once a Siva temple. Ayya Vaikundar changed it as Poo Pathi. The previous temple was called as Kalaswami temple. Presently there is the tomb of Kala Swami, west to the present Pathi. The Pathi is facing east ward. There is an old pipal tree on the front of the Pathi.

Location
Poo Pathi is situated near Naraiyan vilai, 4 km east to Eathamozhi in a natural atmosphere. This Pathi is situated 14 km west to Kanyakumari and 7 km south to Nagercoil. It also lies half-a-way between the towns of Muttom and Kanyakumari in the Western Coastal Road. This pathi is also one km apart from the Arabian Sea in the north. It was also located 7 km south-west to Swamithope pathi.

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Colossendeidae

Colossendeidae is a family of sea spider (class Pycnogonida). Like most sea spiders, species in this family have four pairs of legs, except for three species (Decolopoda australis, D. qasimi, and Pentacolossendeis reticulata) with five leg pairs, including the first polymerous (i.e., extra-legged) sea spider discovered (D. australis), and one giant species (Dodecolopoda mawsoni, with legs that can span 20 in) that was the first sea spider discovered with six leg pairs.

Taxonomy

 * Colossendeis Jarzinsky, 1870 (67 species)
 * Colossendeis acuta Stiboy-Risch, 1993
 * Colossendeis adelpha Child, 1998
 * Colossendeis angusta Sars, 1877
 * Colossendeis aperta Turpaeva, 2005
 * Colossendeis arcuata A. Milne-Edwards, 1885
 * Colossendeis australis Hodgson, 1907
 * Colossendeis avida Pushkin, 1970
 * Colossendeis belekurovi Pushkin, 1993
 * Colossendeis bicincta Schimkewitsch, 1893
 * Colossendeis brevirostris Child, 1995
 * Colossendeis bruuni Fage, 1956
 * Colossendeis clavata Meinert, 1899
 * Colossendeis colossea Wilson, 1881
 * Colossendeis concedis Child, 1995
 * Colossendeis cucurbita Cole, 1909
 * Colossendeis curtirostris Stock, 1963
 * Colossendeis dalli Child, 1995
 * Colossendeis drakei Calman, 1915
 * Colossendeis elephantis Child, 1995
 * Colossendeis enigmatica Turpaeva, 1974
 * Colossendeis ensifer Child, 1995
 * Colossendeis fijigrypos Bamber, 2004
 * Colossendeis fragilis Pushkin, 1993
 * Colossendeis gardineri Carpenter, 1907
 * Colossendeis geoffroyi Mane-Garzon, 1944
 * Colossendeis gibbosa Mobius, 1902
 * Colossendeis glacialis Hodgson, 1907
 * Colossendeis gracilis Hoek, 1881
 * Colossendeis grassa Pushkin, 1993
 * Colossendeis hoeki Gordon, 1944
 * Colossendeis insolita Pushkin, 1993
 * Colossendeis japonica Hoek, 1898
 * Colossendeis korotkevitschi Pushkin, 1984
 * Colossendeis kurtchatovi Turpaeva, 1993
 * Colossendeis leninensis Pushkin, 1993
 * Colossendeis leptorhynchus Hoek, 1881
 * Colossendeis longirostris Gordon, 1938
 * Colossendeis losinskii Turpaeva, 2002
 * Colossendeis macerrima Wilson, 1881
 * Colossendeis media Hoek, 1881
 * Colossendeis megalonyx Fry & Hedgpeth, 1969
 * Colossendeis melancholicus Stock, 1975
 * Colossendeis mica Pushkin, 1970
 * Colossendeis microsetosa Hilton, 1943
 * Colossendeis minor Schimkewitsch, 1893
 * Colossendeis minuta Hoek, 1881
 * Colossendeis mycterismos Bamber, 2004
 * Colossendeis nasuta Hedgpeth, 1949
 * Colossendeis notialis Child 1995
 * Colossendeis oculifera Stock, 1963
 * Colossendeis peloria Child, 1994
 * Colossendeis perforata Turpaeva, 1993
 * Colossendeis pipetta Stock, 1991
 * Colossendeis proboscidea (Sabine)
 * Colossendeis robusta Hoek, 1881
 * Colossendeis rostrata Turpaeva, 1994
 * Colossendeis scoresbii Gordon, 1932
 * Colossendeis scotti Calman, 1915
 * Colossendeis sinuosa Stock, 1997
 * Colossendeis spicula Child, 1994
 * Colossendeis stramenti Fry and Hedgpeth, 1969
 * Colossendeis subminuta Schimkewitsch, 1893
 * Colossendeis tenera Hilton, 1943
 * Colossendeis tenuipedis Pushkin, 1993
 * Colossendeis tethya Turpaeva, 1974
 * Colossendeis tortipalpis Gordon, 1932
 * Colossendeis vityazi Turpaeva, 1973
 * Colossendeis wilsoni Calman, 1915
 * Decolopoda Eights, 1835
 * Decolopoda australis Eights, 1835 — Scotia Sea (littoral)
 * Decolopoda quasimi Sree, Sreepada & Parulekar, 1993
 * Dodecolopoda Calman & Gordon, 1933
 * Dodecolopoda mawsoni Calman & Gordon, 1933 — Scotia Sea
 * Hedgpethia Turpaeva, 1973 (12 species)
 * Pentacolossendeis Hedgpeth, 1943
 * Pentacolossendeis reticulata Hedgpeth, 1943
 * Rhopalorhynchus
 * Rhopalorhynchus cinclus Bamber, 2001 — Bodgaya Southern Rim Reef, Malaysia (on a sponge)
 * Rhopalorhynchus claudus Stock, 1975 — Barbados (muddy sand, shell debris, sponge bottom)
 * Rhopalorhynchus clavipes Carpenter, 1893 — Torres Strait (between reefs)
 * Rhopalorhynchus filipes Stock, 1991 — between Loyalty Islands and New Caledonia, near Chesterfield Island
 * Rhopalorhynchus gracillimus Carpenter, 1907 — Maldive Islands (on a black crinoid)
 * Rhopalorhynchus kroeyeri Wood-Mason, 1873 — Andaman Islands (on the bottom of filamentous algae)
 * Rhopalorhynchus lomani Stock, 1958 — Makassar Strait, Indonesia
 * Rhopalorhynchus mortenseni Stock, 1958 — off Jolo, Sulu Archipelago (on sand and corals)
 * Rhopalorhynchus pedunculatum Stock, 1957 — Red Sea (shore)
 * Rhopalorhynchus sibogae Stock, 1958 — Flores Sea, Indonesia (on mud and sand)
 * Rhopalorhynchus tenuissimus Haswell, 1884 — Port Denison, Australia

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Wikipedia talk:Avoid personal remarks

This page is gentler and shorter than No personal attacks. I prefer it, when trying to get contributors to stop teasing each other. -- Uncle Ed (talk) 20:18, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)

 * Should be made an offical policy and be mentioned in WP:NPA. --Cool Cat My Talk 20:39, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Provoking personal remarks
Some users encourage others to engage in personal remarks during discussions through the manner in which they frame the discussion and phrase their comments in the discussion. While we should only hold those who make personal remarks responsible for having made them, we could greatly reduce the number of personal remarks made by encouraging editors to not provoke personal remarks (pedestrian safety is my model here). For example, when criticizing an article using the two alternatives below one is much more likely to provoke a response centered around the article and one is more likely to provoke a response centered around the user who lodging the complaint:
 * This article is well written for the most part but the first section is confusing in that it does not explain any of the technical terms used.

Hyacinth (talk) 02:50, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I think this article is a dangerous piece of crap and like my father doesn't explain anything, especially the first section's technical terms.

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User:Falphin/proposed suggestion

Matt Slick, whose full name is Matthew J. Slick, is the creator and webmaster of the popular Christian website CARM, or "Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry." Slick is a Christian apologist and a leader in the counter-cult movement. He considers it his mission to "answer opposition to the Christian faith," which in his view includes all non-Christian worldviews and non-Protestant denominations of Christianity, including Catholicism and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Biography
Matt Slick describes his upbringing as "nominally Christian," and asserts he was "mixed up in the occult" during that period. Slick graduated from Concordia University in Irvine, California with a Bachelors in Social Science in 1987 and from Westminster Theological Seminary with a Masters of Divinity in 1991, at approximately age 35. Slick's interest in apologetics and cults began after he was "outraged" by a quote from Joseph Smith. Slick has written a short autobiography on CARM. Slick is married with children, and has lived in Boise, Idaho since August 2004.

Religous Views
Slick is an Evangelical Protestant Christian. More specifically, Slick describes himself as "a five point Calvinist, amillennial, post-trib rapture, peudobaptistic (not for salvation), non-cessationist, and covenantal." A great deal of information on Slick's beliefs can be found on his website.

Books and Writings
Slick has written a book entitled "Right Answers for Wrong Beliefs," ISBN 1852402792 (2002 Sovereign World) as well as a 1,125 page notebook that contains much of the information from his website. He has also publishes the entire content of the CARM website on CD.

Webpages
Matt Slick is the founder and president of CARM and the Calvinist Corner. He is also an administrator on the discussion forums at CARM. He created CARM to be a resource for information on groups he considers to be cults and on other issues relating to Christianity. The Calvinist Corner gives information relating to Calvinism and his personal beliefs.

Controversy
Critics of Matt Slick commonly hold worldviews other than conservative Protestant Christianity. Their most common complaints center around what they consider his misuse of moderation to quash opposing viewpoints and his intentional misrepresentation of opposing viewpoints, his questionable tactics in debates, his general conduct when talking to those who do not share his beliefs , and the effectiveness of his methods in spreading the Gospel. Slick has had several long-standing disputes with these critics that have spilled off CARM's forums, spawning several related websites. The two most significant have been created by Universalist Christians and atheists.

Supporters of Slick praise his willingness to discuss a wide assortment of issues with both Christians and secularists. Supporters also assert that Slick's track record at CARM's forums speaks for itself, and cite the fact that CARM is one of the most active Christian discussion communities on the Internet and that its core user group is comprised of people of widely varied worldviews.

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More (Alex Alstone and Tom Glazer song)

"More" is a popular song with music by Alex Alstone and lyrics by Tom Glazer, published in 1956. The best-known version of the song was recorded by Perry Como on May 8, 1956, alongside, Mitchell Ayres and His Orchestra and The Ray Charles Singers.

It was issued as a single (RCA Victor catalog number 20-6554 on 78rpm, 47-6554 on 45rpm in the U.S., HMV POP-240 in the UK. It was also issued on an EP, With a Song In My Heart.

Chart performance
"More" reached No. 4 on the U.S. charts and No. 10 on the UK Singles Chart. The flip side of both releases was "Glendora".

Cover versions

 * A recording of the song was also made in the United Kingdom by Jimmy Young. It was issued by UK Decca Records as catalog number F 10774 and reached No. 4 on the UK Singles Chart in 1956.

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