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Talk:Gustaf V

Early comments
So everyone who has once had a homosexual affair is bisexual?--Fred-Chess 21:23, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yes, he was homosexual!--83.226.184.147 06:40, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

He apparently had several times. Actually, the question should be his self-definition re sexuality, as from the facts it could be possible that he was a homosexual (but repressed for a time, and forced himself to live in heterosexual marriage) but it is equally possible that he felt himself natural with both males and females (which would mean he was bisexual). A telling point is that he apparently never had a female lover but several male (which speaks volumes how voluntary he felt). 217.140.193.123 30 June 2005 19:18 (UTC)

No one have ever presented any evidence to support the theory that Gustav V was bi- or homosexual. Haijby was a small thief, he had been convicted of theft and fraud on several accounts. He was even a convicted murderer. He tried to blackmail the court - saying that he had had an affair with the king- and they payed him a substantial amount of money. But that doesn't prof that there was any truth behind the accusations. 83.248.26.176 20:59, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

 * eh. So he was homosexual? Or has it been confirmed? Эйрон Кинни  19:05, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

 * The truth is that nobody knows. Haijby was a low-life, he even killed a policeman while escaping from prison and served time for the killing. His story is full of really strange statements. Haijby claimed that he had been seduced by the king when he was just 14 years old. It have been confirmed that Haijby and another boy scout was granted an audience with the king. It is also confirmed that the two boys (naturally) newer were alone with the king. When the accusations arose the other boy was tracked down, he witnessed that nothing strange had happened at the audience. 20 years after the audience Haijby wanted to open a restaurant. As he was a criminal he could not get the permits. In those days any citizen could complain about the authorities by turning to the king directly. Haijby was granted a second audience with the king, but this did not help him.
 * Haijby then started blackmailing the court - not the king but the court. Some court officials payed Haijby a lot of money over the years. It's not clear why they did it. It might be that they feared that the story was true, but it might also be that they were naive and that they simply were not used to this kind of business. The way these court officials handed over the money in dark alleys, dressed in trenchcoat and floppy hat, indicates that they were plain stupid. There have been a couple of investigations, and everything indicates that Haijby was a lier. There's simply no substance to his allegations.
 * It is of course possible that Gustav V was homosexual but the plain truth is that there are no evidence that he was - the accusations are all speculations, with nothing but Haijby's story to back them up. 83.248.30.142 15:28, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I removed the part about the Haijby affair. The affair had nothing to do with the king himself and it's covered in a separate article. 83.248.25.135 16:43, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

 * In light of Ebervall and Samuelson's newly published "Ers majestäts olycklige Kurt" ("Your Majesty's Unhappy Kurt") reviewed in Dagens Nyheter — see external links for the article — I have restored the section about the Haijby affair, which is if anything too mild, it being clear that Gustaf V was homosexual — and more than a little sympathetic to Germany of the 1930s. — Robert Greer 17:12, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

 * "Ers majestäts olycklige Kurt" is a novel! And, as mentioned, the Haijby affair did not concern the king himself. It was all about Kurt Haijby and the way he was (mis)treated by Swedish authorities. The previous removal of the section was correct. M3926-990031 (talk) 22:42, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

 * I removed the section about the Haijby affair. As pointed out, this affair had nothing to do with the King. And by the way, as far as we know Haijby only met Gustaf V twice and on both occasions there were plenty of other people present. M3926-990031 (talk) 22:09, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

 * May I ask whether you have read either the "novel" as you call it (it is based on until-recently classified Swedish documents and is better described as non-fiction fiction in the tradition of Truman Capote) or the review in Dagens Nyheter?

 * I have restored this — again — and have neither the time nor inclination to translate either the book or the review, for which I would need to obtain copyright clearance in any case.

 * But if the book is to be believed, the Swedish authoritites took the connection between Haijby and Gustav V very seriously, going so far as to ask Hermann Göring to take care of Haijby!

 * Which he did — for a time.

 * To remove this section is to censor an unfortunate episode in Swedish history, one in which no lesser personage than the King of Sweden was a key player and which was originally uncovered by no lesser author (and authority) than Wilhelm Moberg. — Robert Greer (talk) 15:53, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

 * The book you are referring to is a novel, it's fiction, it's a made up story, the text is fabricated. The authors themselfs admits that all details are fictional but claims that the frame of the story is based on real facts. However, nowhere do they specify what these facts should be, nor do they give any references. A novel is not a reliable source, but what you do is even worse, you use the reviews of a fictional story as references and that's not OK.
 * But what's more important is that the Haijby affair did not concern the king. It was not about the king in person, it was not about his relations, it was not abut his sexual orientation or anything else that had to do with the king. The Haijby affair was all about the way Kurt Haijby was treated by Swedish authorities, nothing else! Therefore a section about the Haijby affair should not be included in an article about the king. The affair should of course be mentioned in an article about the king, but that's all. M3926-990031 (talk) 20:54, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Links to reviews of a fictional story about a man that claimed that he had had a sexual relation with the subject of this article are not relevant to said article. And the reviewed book has to be regarded as fictional since its content is unverifiable. M3926-990031 (talk) 03:22, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

 * No, Haijby's accusations did not become known to the public because of the investigative journalism of Moberg. Since Moberg was not stupid he did not write about Haijby's strange claims. He focused on the, in his opinion, great injustice done to Haijby. The fact that Haijby's accusations became public was a sideffect of the Haijby affair. M3926-990031 (talk) 07:06, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Gustaf V was not involved in any sex scandal. When the Haijby affair surfaced the king was already dead, and the affair was not a sex scandal. I'm not convinced it even was a scandal, but if it was it was a political or a juridical one. As I, and others, have pointed out the king was not involved in the Haijby affair. It was all about Kurt Haijby and his encounters with Swedish authorities. That's the reason why it's known as the Haijby affair. M3926-990031 (talk) 07:06, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

The King and Hermann Göring
Is there really a point in the Göring picture? I would like to see it removed. G5 was no nazi. --Dahlis 19:18, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

 * He wasn't a Nazi, but he was very Pro-German, during both World War I and World War II. That is an important historical fact, and should be mentioned. -Bronks 26 February 2006
 * Yes it is but they way that its put forward isnt exactly objective. It was even worse before i edited it. --Dahlis 21:38, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

It should not be said that Gustav V or Prince Gustaf Adolf were friendly with the Nazis. Both the King and the Prince had meetings with Nazi leaders, but as far as anyone knows they were simply fulfilling their ceremonial functions as head of state. The Swedish Royal Court denies any connection between Gustaf Adolf and the Nazis, as mentioned in Aftonbladet today. As for Gustav V, it is wrong to say he was friendly with the Nazis, without describing it in the historical context and providing adequate evidence. For instance, he was fulfilling his royal duties when he met with Nazi leaders and gave them honorary orders. It doesnt necessarily reflect his own political views. Also, the royal family had family and cultural ties to the Germans, and strong conservative values as well. I think it should be written in a more nuanced and careful way. --Akseli 04:01, 9 March, 2006

 * The Swedish Social Democratic Party government and its current leader Göran Persson have been persuing a dedicated quest to enlighten people on the atrocities of the Nazis and how bad the Nazism is to counter xenophobic tendencies and hate-violence of the 1990s. So I'm not surprised the young people of today think it is important to mention the connection the king and prince had with Nazi Germany.
 * Of course, it is irrelevant -- the Nazi government wasn't that bad at first; they managed to salvage Germany and were regarded as the new wave in the world in the 1930s. They gave themself good press whilst doing it. I'm sure a lot of people were pro-German at the time. It doesn't matter. It's no big deal.
 * Fred-Chess 10:01, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

 * According to Aftonbladet, it's true

 * Aftonbladet is a tabloid with very little credibility (their source in this article is by the way charged with arson). 83.248.25.135 16:43, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

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Coffee or Tea
I read that the king commuted the death sentence of a pair of identical twins on the condition that one drink tea and the other drink coffee three times a day. The imprisoned tea-drinker died first at age 83. It is recorded as the first study done on coffee & tea in regards to its effects. by BB

 * Interesting storry, but utterly false. 83.248.25.135 16:43, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Did Gustaf V of Sweden have any illegitimate children?
All information on this topic is greatly appreciated.

I have heard storys that Gustaf V had one illegitimate son who eventually migrated to Australia and changed his name. KM — 66.160.217.39 13:35, September 6, 2006

Gustav V to Gustaf V ?
This page was moved from 'Gustav V of Sweden' to its current title, without any discussion or consent. Why? GoodDay 01:18, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

 * I've moved this page back to 'Gustav V of Sweden', for above reason. GoodDay 23:18, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

It should be moved back, Gustaf is the official spelling. See

 * Please discuss this before any further page moves are made. See Requested moves
 * Fred — J 14:51, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Gustaf is the correct spelling and Gustaf V the correct title; of Sweden is superfluous (this is not about Tom of Finland afterall.) — Robert Greer 00:02, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

 * It's a little more complicated than "Gustaf is the correct spelling", but I certainly won't oppose Gustaf (nor would I oppose Gustav, if used consistently for all the kings). The pre-emptively disambiguating "of Sweden", however, is mandated by Naming conventions (names and titles), so unless you get that changed, you'll have to live with it. — Jao (talk) 08:58, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

 * I am not the person who moved the article (nor would I bother to move it one way or the other; though I speak the language, Swedish articles are far from my main area of interest.) While fifty million Frenchmen can't be wrong, fifty million Wikipedians can, especially when writing naming conventions. They may know their computers — a field of which I am not ignorant — but are not necessarily knowledgeable of the subject matter upon which they intend to impose such conventions, especially when it involves foreign languages — and I don't mean COBOL.

 * There is a stronger argument for spelling the name Gustav as opposed to Gustaf — both of which are pronounced the same in any case — as though they were spelled Gustav — than there is for the of Sweden. The argument in favor of the former spelling is that Gustav is Anglicized, and Gustaf can be left to Swedish Wikipedia.

 * Google is not the final arbiter of content — nor much of anything else — but does provide a quick check on usage. There are a grand total of nineteen — yes, 19 — Swedish websites that contain Gustaf V av Sverige and Gustav V av Sverige combined vs. 49,800 for Gustaf V and Gustav V (the situation isn't much different for Gustaf V of Sweden and Gustav V ; 2,310 vs. 258,600.)

 * Wikipedia's naming convetions to the contrary, this page should be — take your pick — Gustaf V or Gustaf V. — Robert Greer 17:16, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

 * I don't see the case for ignoring all rules here. I appreciate that there are arguments for Gustaf V or Gustav V, but are there any such arguments that would not also apply to Louis XVI of France, Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom, Christian VIII of Denmark or Haakon VII of Norway, just to take a few? None of these need disambiguation, all of them are certainly in more common usage without disambiguation. Yet you suggest that we move only this one, without changing the naming conventions (thereby requiring the other ones to be moved as well)? If you want them all to be moved, then that's more reasonable. Such proposals have been made, not quite successfully but also not quite without support. Perhaps it's time to bring it up at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (names and titles) once more? Consensus can change. -- Jao (talk) 18:06, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Not at all, I would move all of them to their unabmiguous titular names; Louis XVI, Elizabeth II, Christian VIII and Haakon VII; and would create disambiguation pages for royal names that do present problems, which is how such problems are handled in most other areas (in the cases you mention there are already redirect pages from the short titles to the long; I would merely reverse them.) Men som sagt har jag ingen lust att syssla med sådant!

 * My sole interest in this article arose from having read Lars Linder's review in DN of Ebervall and Samuelson's Ers majestäts olycklige Kurt while on vacation in Stockholm this summer; I hope to pick up a copy of the book itself when I'm back there in January. For the most part I write about New York City Ballet, George Balanchine and Jerome Robbins' ballets in particular. — Robert Greer 21:06, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

 * I see your standpoint, then. And yes, we all must choose our battles here; or rather, choosing what to do and what not to do is a privilege that comes with our work being voluntary. Lycka till med balettartiklarna! -- Jao (talk) 21:43, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Tack detsamma! — Robert Greer (talk) 20:56, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Sexuality redux
From what I can tell, Gustav's supposed homosexuality is based on the reports of one person and/or event. Unless we can get better sources on his sexuality, he really doesn't belong in Category:LGBT royalty. Thoughts? -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 16:08, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with you fully. / Fred-J 17:06, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * This would probably be the view of a person who did not live in Sweden during his reign. Obviously, this is one instance (among many) where Wikipedia and its editors shows their weaknesses. More or less everyone who lived in Sweden during his reign will tell you that he was indeed a closet homosexual. Cheers --Law Lord (talk) 13:51, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * His homosexual "leanings" (so called in those days) were well known but the extent of these leanings is still debated. The recent book Gustav V - En biografi by Stig Hadenius (2005) does not take a definite stand, and only mentions it in a short chapter at the end. To claim with certainty that he was a closeted without proof would be wrong.
 * Fred-J 16:37, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Whether it's a "weakness" or not, WP policy is that controversial claims must be backed up by reliable sources. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 03:01, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

It was not "an official secret that the king was homosexual". Haijby's accusations were of course official, due to the Haijby affair, but beside that there seems to be no contemporary sources mentioning anything about the king's sexual orientation. Except for Haijby there is only one man that have claimed that Gustaf V made any sexual advances toward him. Haijby was committed to psychiatric care because he had a psychic illness. He was not sent to Germany, he went there by his own free will and this has of course nothing to do with Gustaf V. Neither have the fact that Haijby was arrested for two cases of sexual offense in Germany. M3926-990031 (talk) 01:53, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

recent research
Cross-posted from the Haijby affair talk page.

Lars Linder's review from April 9th in Dagens Nyheter is of course in Swedish, as is its subject, Ebervall and Samuelson's Ers majestäts olycklige Kurt. DN, as it is known, is very high quality newspaper, it's only competition for the title of newpaper of record in Sweden being Svenska Dagbladet, called SvD. I have read only the review, not the book yet, but it is based previously classified Swedish documents and reveals far more than Wilhelm Moberg was able to find. — Robert Greer 00:32, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

 * But the new book isn't a history book, it is written as a novel.
 * Påståendena i verklighetens affär var många och beläggen ofta osäkra. Men romanformen tystar bekvämt alla följdfrågor.
 * If so, the stories in the book can hardly be used as reference material.
 * Fred-J 11:17, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

 * The headline in DN reads:
 * Lena Ebervall och Per E Samuelson: 'Ers majestäts olycklige Kurt'
 * Dokument eller roman? Vad är egentligen sant i Lena Ebervall och Per E Samuelsons kittlande bok om Haijbyaffären?
 * Lars Linder anser att händelsen bör tas på större allvar  [emphasis added].
 * Or, for the benefit of those who do not read Swedish:
 * ... the events [described in this book] need to be taken in utter earnest.
 * My bedtime reading while on vacation in Stockholm this summer was Vilhelm Moberg's Min svenska historia (My Swedish History).
 * In the foreward to which he explains that his novels were based on historical research and that he is using the same materials for a nonfiction work.
 * I would suggest that Ebervall and Samuelson's work is similar to Moberg's or to Truman Capote's nonfiction fiction.
 * More generally that one can write a wholly false work in a scholarly format, Holocaust deniers being an extreme but apt example.
 * And that one can write perfectly factual material in the format of fiction, of which Capote's In Cold Blood is a prime specimen.
 * — Robert Greer (talk) 04:06, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Well, but större allvar doesn't mean utter earnest, it means more earnest.
 * I suppose some part of the book could be used as reference though, depending on how those sections are written and what can be established as historically verifiable.
 * Fred-J 21:06, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Well, I don't agree that Ebervall and Samuelson's novel could be regarded as "research". And where have you found the information that the novel "is based [on] previously classified Swedish documents"? I guess that could be true if you by previously classified means a decade or so ago de-classified, but otherwise I doubt it. Ebervall and Samuelson's book is a novel, and it lacks references, period. Lars Linder's opinion about this novel is subsequently of less interest to Wikipedia than the novel itself. But for your information, Lars Linder strongly dislikes the monarchy and have in DN expressed the opinion that the present king is almost an idiot. By the way, Vilhelm Moberg was a vivid republican too. M3926-990031 (talk) 22:05, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

 * From the review in Sydsvenskan: Den här berättelsen har allt som en riktigt smaskig skandal ska ha. Dessutom bygger den på en sann historia.... ”Ers majestäts olycklige Kurt” är en sannsaga späckad med kandelaberbögar, kungligheter, förräderi och mygel. Här uppträder Karl Gerhard och Gestapo och en hoper parfymdoftande direktörer och, inte att förglömma, stjärtarna på både små och stora gossar. [I believe that this quotation, fifty words from a book review in a month-old newspaper, is within the limits of fair use.]

 * Translation: This story has all that a really delicious scandal should have. Despite which it builds on a true story .... Your Majesty's Unhappy Kurt is a true-story larded with candelabra gays, royalty, treachery and finagling. Here appear Karl Gerhard and the Gestapo and a [whole] crowd of perfumed directors and, not to be forgotten, the backsides of both small and large boys [emphasis added.] — Robert Greer (talk) 17:15, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

 * P.S. I have added two additional book reviews to the article and am taking the liberty of cross-posting this section to the talk page for Gustaf V. — Robert Greer 17:15, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

 * The book "Ers majestäts olycklige Kurt" is still a novel! But, yes it is based on a true story, the Haijby affair. The Haijby affair did occur, that's common knowledge. What's also common knowledge is that the Haijby affair is about the authorities treatment of Kurt Haijby, it's not about Haijby's alleged sexual affair with the king!

 * And you still haven't answered the question about where you got the information that the novel "is based [on] previously classified Swedish documents". M3926-990031 (talk) 21:33, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Kurt Haijby's mistreatment cannot be explained without or seperated from his connection to Gustaf V; scoundrel that he was (and I most emphatically do not find him charming) there was no justification for placing Haijby in the hands of the Gestapo nor can doing so be justified by arguments that one needs to view the Swedish government's actions in the context of the times.

 * I intend to buy a copy of Ers majestäts olycklige Kurt when I'm in Stockholm at Christmas; all I read prior to the edit war you've begun is the review in DN — which you dismiss out of hand — when I was there in August, so it must have been in that review, which you are free to read at your leisure.

 * I skimmed the Expressen and Sydsvenskan reviews before adding them to the External links and chose them for solely for variety, omitting Svenska Dagbladet and Aftonbladet not wanting Stockholm papers to dominate and not wanting to list more than three external links (some Wikipedians criticize excessively long lists of the same); and could have added Göteborgs-Posten instead of Sydsvenskan but the latter came up near the top in a quick Google search.

 * And I have other fish to fry: this is not a matter of enought interest to me to do more than restore See also Haijby affair to the Gustaf V article, which I will thank you not to remove. — Robert Greer (talk) 17:32, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

End of cross-posting.

 * I think it is pretty shocking that so much of the content of this discussion is about his sexual orientation and so little about his support for Germany in WWII. Contrary to Fredchessplayer, supporting the Nazis in their war of aggression is a VERY big deal and they WERE that bad right from the start as their immediate introduction of concentration camps shows. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.194.138 (talk) 09:13, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Gustav V
545 English language books (published after 1990) refer to him as Gustav V, while 438 books refer to him as Gustaf V. This article and the article about his successor should be consistent with the articles about their namesakes (Gustav IV Adolf of Sweden, Gustav III of Sweden, Gustav II Adolf of Sweden and Gustav I of Sweden). It is perfectly normal for some names to be translated; Gustav VI Adolf's British contemporary is known as Georg VI av Storbritannien in Swedish. Surtsicna (talk) 19:55, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - See same discussion at Talk:Gustaf VI Adolf of Sweden and let's do this there, not on two pages! SergeWoodzing (talk) 23:41, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

 * You oppose what? I haven't proposed anything :) Surtsicna (talk) 17:52, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

They should be moved back. GoodDay (talk) 19:47, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Oppose, as above. SergeWoodzing (talk) 22:39, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Olympic reference
Between the references and the succession boxes, there's a single note about opening the 1912 Olympic Games. Since it's preceded by a #, that begins a numbered list of one. Is there a good place for this? While there are succession boxes, I think, for successive Olympic Games, I don't think there's one for the openers of each Games (e.g. the Governor-General of Canada at the Winter Olympic Games of 2010 in Vancouver). —— Shakescene (talk) 10:48, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Long lede
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Was he the strongest monarch in Western Europe following the Portuguese and Monegasque revolutions (or even earlier) and up to 1917? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.249.43.225 (talk) 04:27, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

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I returned the intro bc it being the longest running AfrAm show is significant.AfrAm shows are few so this one being on for 8yrs is significant. I returned 'reruns on wetv cable channel' bc why cant it be on here? Reruns(syndication) is lsited on wiki articles on tv shows. I returned the theme songs (opening sequence) section bc it is relevant to the article. 173.79.58.33 (talk) 18:51, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Page Moved Yashovardhan (talk) 05:01, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Girlfriends → Girlfriends (U.S. TV series) – There's 3 other movies called "Girlfriends", a British reality show with the same name, and even though it was very popular it has not been on in 9 years, so therefore I believe this is not the primary topic and that "Girlfriends" should redirect to Girlfriend. 76.116.198.27 (talk) 02:55, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Support - My immediate thought was Girlfriends (UK TV series) so this seems like a logical move.Mark E (talk) 10:39, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

 * Support. No way this is the primary topic. Redirect Girlfriends to Girlfriend (disambiguation)--Cúchullain t/ c 19:41, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

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Gençay is a small market town in the heart of the Vienne. In the evenings it is quiet and often the only sound to be heard are the towns neon street lamps. This is a place to settle with doctors, pharmacies, supermarkets and all other sorts of shops within walking distance. The locals are friendly and helpful. There is the normal sort of small shops like the bakers, the betting bar, café bar and a new salon de thé. Strangely enough there are 4 hairdressers and not surprisingly 4 estate agents as this area is now becoming sort after by those wishing to buy holiday homes or houses/farmhouses to renovate. If you are thinking of retiring or staying for a short while then this is the place. Peaceful - Quiet - Calming. What more can I say.

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Millerettidae

Millerettidae is an extinct family of parareptiles from the Middle Permian to the Late Permian period (Capitanian - Changhsingian stages) of South Africa. The millerettids were small insectivores and probably resembled modern lizards in appearance and lifestyle.

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Palace of Zarzuela

The Zarzuela Palace (Palacio de la Zarzuela ) is the residence and working offices of the reigning monarch of Spain (King Felipe VI), although the official residence of the Spanish royal family is the Royal Palace of Madrid. The Zarzuela Palace is on the outskirts of Madrid, near the Royal Palace of El Pardo, which accommodates visiting heads of state. The palace is owned by the Spanish government and administered by a state agency named Patrimonio Nacional (National Heritage).

The Zarzuela Palace was the home of King Juan Carlos I from May 1962 until his departure to live abroad, following allegations of financial impropriety, in August 2020. It has not been announced whether it will remain the home of his wife, Queen Sofía, who did not accompany Juan Carlos abroad. Although King Felipe VI has his office in the palace, he and his family live in the Pabellón del Príncipe on the grounds just east of the Zarzuela Palace.

History
During the 17th century, King Felipe IV of Spain ordered a country palace or hunting lodge to be built at La Zarzuela near Madrid. The name "Zarzuela" is thought to be derived from the word "zarzas" meaning brambles, due to its function as a hunting lodge, meaning that it is situated amongst the brambles of the King's Hunting Grounds. It was a rectangular, slate-roofed building with two lateral arcades. King Carlos IV had the building altered to adapt it to 18th century fashion, and adorned it with tapestries and porcelain, as well as furniture and his much-loved clocks.

Royal residence
King Juan Carlos I and his wife, Queen Sofía, lived in the palace from their marriage in May 1962 until Juan Carlos' move abroad alone in August 2020. Queen Sofía continued to live in Spain. After the death of the dictator Francisco Franco in November 1975, the King decided not to occupy his Palace of El Pardo, leaving it for foreign state guests, designating the Palacio de la Moncloa as the residence of the President of the Spanish Government, while they remained at the Zarzuela. The Palacio Real (Royal Palace) in the centre of Madrid, the former principal residence of the Spanish monarchs, is the official residence of the King, although it is now used only for state occasions.

During the summer of 2002, King Felipe VI, then Prince of Asturias, moved into a new residence, a 3150 sqm pavilion built within the grounds of the Palace of La Zarzuela.

Opera
The palace theatre was the place of origin of the Spanish genre of musical drama, zarzuela.

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Mary Anne Stirling

Mary Anne (Fanny) Stirling (29 July 1815 – 28 December 1895) was an English actress renowned for her comedy roles in a career for over fifty years.

Biography
Stirling was born in Mayfair on 29 July 1815, the daughter of a spendthrift father Captain Simon Hehl and his second wife Mary Anne Lucas. As part of her education she was sent to convent school in France. She appeared as Zephyrina, the widow, in The Devil and the Widow at the Pavilion Theatre, Whitechapel in January 1832. Later that year she married the playwright, actor and manager Edward Stirling Lambert (1809–1894). They worked together and they were known as Mr and Mrs Stirling and her husband's first play was Sadak and Kalasrade which was performed in Theatre Royal, Birmingham in 1835. Having been successful as Celia in As You Like It and Sophia in The Road to Ruin, Macready gave her an opportunity to play Cordelia to his Lear, and Madeline Weir to his James V in the Rev. James White's King of the Commons.

In 1852 she created Peg Woffington in Reade and Taylor's Masks and Faces.

In later years Mrs Stirling gained a new popularity as the nurse in Irving's presentation (1882) of Romeo and Juliet where she was said to "steal the show" from a cast that included Ellen Terry but she returned to the role in 1884 with Mary Anderson; and she was the Martha in Irving's production of Faust (1885). She died on 28 December 1895, having in the previous year married Sir Charles Hutton Gregory (1817–1898).

She is buried in Brompton Cemetery; at her request there were very few mourners, one of whom was the actor-manager Squire Bancroft. London. A biography of her was published in 1922 by her grandson Percy Allen; the appendix lists all the principal parts Mrs Stirling played from 1831–2 to 1885. An obituary in The Era also gives an extensive critique of her many performances.

Her second husband died in London on 10 January 1898, and he was also buried in Brompton Cemetery.

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Edel Quinn

Edel Mary Quinn, (14 September 1907 – 12 May 1944) known as Edel Quinn was an Irish-born Roman Catholic lay-missionary and Envoy of the Legion of Mary to East Africa.

Life
Born in Kanturk, County Cork, Edel Mary Quinn was the eldest child of bank official Charles Quinn and Louisa Burke Browne of County Clare. She was a great-granddaughter of William Quinn, a native of Tyrone who settled in Tuam to build St. Mary's Cathedral. The spelling of her name was inspired by the edelweiss flower. Her parents had intended to name her Adele but the priest who baptized her thought they meant to call her after the flower and baptized her Edelweiss, which was shortened to Edel.

During her childhood, her father's career brought the family to various towns in Ireland, including Tralee, County Kerry, where a plaque was unveiled in May 2009 at Bank Of Ireland House in Denny Street commemorating her residence there between 1921 and 1924. Quinn attended the Presentation Convent in the town between 1921 and 1925.

Quinn felt a call to religious life at a young age. She wished to join the Poor Clares but was prevented by advanced tuberculosis. After spending eighteen months in a sanatorium, her condition unchanged, she decided to become active in the Legion of Mary, which she joined in Dublin at age 20. She gave herself completely to its work in the form of helping the poor in the slums of Dublin.

In 1936, at age 29 and dying of tuberculosis, Quinn became a Legion of Mary Envoy, a very active missionary to East and Central Africa, departing in December 1936 for Mombasa. Quinn settled in Nairobi having been told by Bishop Heffernan that this was the most convenient base for her work. By the outbreak of World War II, she was working as far off as Dar es Salaam and Mauritius. In 1941, she was admitted to a sanatorium near Johannesburg. Fighting her illness, in seven and a half years she established hundreds of Legion branches and councils in today's Tanzania, Kenya, Uganda, Malawi, and Mauritius. J.J. McCarthy, later Bishop of Zanzibar and Archbishop of Nairobi, wrote of her:

 * "Miss Quinn is an extraordinary individual; courageous, zealous and optimistic. She wanders around in a dilapidated Ford, having for sole companion an African driver. When she returns home she will be qualified to speak about the Missions and Missionaries, having really more experience than any single Missionary I know."

All this time her health was never good, and in 1943 she took a turn for the worse, dying in Nairobi, Kenya of tuberculosis on 12 May 1944. She is buried there in the Missionaries' Cemetery.

Cause of beatification and canonization
The cause for her beatification was introduced in 1957. She was declared venerable by Pope John Paul II on 15 December 1994, since when the campaign for her beatification has continued.

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Fecal Matter (band)

Fecal Matter was a punk rock band from Aberdeen, Washington. The group was formed in 1985 by Kurt Cobain, the future frontman of Nirvana, along with Dale Crover of the Melvins and drummer Greg Hokanson. Melvins members Buzz Osborne (also known as "King Buzzo") and Mike Dillard appeared in a later version of the band during rehearsals the following year. The band was short-lived, disbanding in 1986.

Songs from the group's sole recording session were issued as the Illiteracy Will Prevail demo tape. With the exception of the song "Spank Thru", the tracks from this session remain unreleased officially. A re-recording of "Downer" was also released on the first Nirvana album, Bleach. Illiteracy Will Prevail is the earliest documentation of Cobain's songwriting in circulation, and helped Cobain establish himself as a composer and performer among his peers in the emerging grunge scene in Washington State.

History
Fecal Matter formed early in 1985 after Kurt Cobain had dropped out of Aberdeen High School. One of "several joke bands" that arose from the circle of friends associated with the Melvins, it initially included Cobain singing and playing guitar, Melvins drummer Dale Crover playing bass, and Greg Hokanson playing drums. The band spent several months rehearsing original material and covers, including songs by The Ramones, Led Zeppelin, and Jimi Hendrix.

In the SeaTac home of Cobain's aunt Mari Earl, Cobain and Crover recorded the Illiteracy Will Prevail demo on a 4-track recorder. The date of the recording session has been disputed; many have followed Michael Azerrad's dating of the session to December 1985 in his Come as You Are: The Story of Nirvana biography from 1993, while Gillian Gaar contends in her 2012 biography Entertain Us!: The Rise of Nirvana that Easter break (i.e., late March) in 1986 is more likely. With Crover playing both bass and drums, the two recorded 13 original songs in total, which Cobain would later remember as a "totally abrasive" batch of punk songs reflecting his dual interest in Black Sabbath and Black Flag. Although Crover later dismissed the demo as "amateurish," Melvins frontman Buzz Osborne recalled a "certain magic" in the band's simple but effective recording, citing as memorable their "ability to put something together in an interesting way."

Later in 1986, Osborne and former Melvins drummer Mike Dillard joined the group playing bass and drums, respectively. This incarnation rehearsed for a brief time only; Azerrad mentions Cobain's frustration with Osborne for failing to take the band seriously enough to buy a bass guitar amplifier. The only live performance of this era occurred on May 3, 1986, in Olympia under the name Brown Towel (sometimes reported as "Brown Cow"). This short-lived and related project featured Cobain's poetry and lyrics along with Osborne and Crover's musical accompaniment.

Fecal Matter disbanded that year while Melvins supported their debut EP, Six Songs.

Legacy
Although the band had become inactive, Cobain continued passing around the Fecal Matter demo tape to friends and peers. His acquaintance Krist Novoselic, with whom Cobain had briefly jammed previously and had wanted to collaborate for some time, heard the tape and particularly liked the song "Spank Thru". The two agreed to form a band, which eventually became Nirvana. They began rehearsals later in 1986 for the new project, and reused the Fecal Matter songs "Downer", "Anorexorcist", and "Spank Thru".

Krist Noveoselic later mentioned in the linear notes for the From The Muddy Banks of the Wishkah live album that "Spank Thru" was "...the first Nirvana song" and it is perhaps the earliest known example of what would become Nirvana's signature combination of punk energy, noise, and pop melodies. "Spank Thru" has been featured on several official Nirvana releases and was performed live numerous times early in the band's career:

 * "Spank Thru" was recorded by Nirvana on three occasions: January 1988 during the band's first studio recording session and a second version was recorded a few months later. This second version was included on the Sub Pop 200 compilation released in December 1988, making it the third ever Nirvana song to be officially released. Later on in 1989 "Spank Thru" was also recorded at the band's first BBC Peel Session.
 * "Spank Thru" holds the distinction of being the only Fecal Matter song played live after 1988. It was included on many "Bleach" era setlists and rarely on "Nevermind" era setlists. Officially released live versions include: a 1990 live version that was included the UK Sliver CD single pressing and later Deluxe versions of Bleach, an 1991 version included on the From The Muddy Banks of the Wishkah live album, and the band's legendary 1992 Live at Reading performance.
 * A video recording of a 1988 band rehearsal performance was included on 2004's With The Lights Out boxed set's DVD.
 * 2005 Nirvana rarities album Sliver: The Best of the Box included the original "Spank Thru" recording; this is the first and only official release of any recording from Illiteracy Will Prevail.

"Downer" was re-recorded by Nirvana in January 1988 during the band's first studio recording session. Although originally omitted, "Downer was eventually added to Nirvana's Bleach album starting with its 1992 reissue and was part of the Incesticide compilation also released that same year.

The song "Anorexorcist", part of a nine-minute medley on the Fecal Matter demo, was on setlists of several early Nirvana shows. "Anorexorcist" was played during a 1987 performance on KAOS when the band was named "Skid Row"; this performance was eventually officially released on 2004's With the Lights Out boxed set.

Illiteracy Will Prevail remained a highly sought-after and elusive item for collectors as Nirvana rose to fame, and became notorious for forged versions being bootlegged as being the demo. The first known copy to be publicly shared, although an incomplete, poor-quality version of the demo was leaked in March 2006. A week later, three full songs from the demo were briefly hosted on a MySpace site ("Sound of Dentage", "Bambi Slaughter" and "Laminated Effect"). The clips were confirmed authentic by collector Mike Ziegler and others who had heard the demo.

In August 2015, the two anonymous leakers shared the content of the whole tape in both mp3 and lossless format. A remastered version is also available.

Members

 * Kurt Cobain – vocals, guitars (1985–1986)
 * Dale Crover – bass guitar, drums (1985–1986)
 * Greg Hokanson – drums (1985–1986)
 * Buzz Osborne – bass guitar (1986)
 * Mike Dillard – drums (1986)

Illiteracy Will Prevail
Notes
 * The titles "Laminated Effect" and "Blather's Log" are thought to apply to two of the compositions on the cassette, though it is unclear which.

 * The tape was recorded on a TEAC A-2340 four-track recorder. The inside of the cover listed hand-written contact information for Cobain and Crover.

 * Personnel
 * Kurt Cobain – vocals, guitar
 * Dale Crover – bass, drums, backing vocals

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Talk:Neighborhoods of Minneapolis

Other business districts
What a bore for the previous author to ONLY mention Uptown and Dinkytown as known unofficial business districts -- which happen to be the most white might I mention. How about we see a mention of Eat Street on Nicollet Avenue (which has actually spurred condo development derived from its district name unlike the "popular" ones), West Broadway, East Lake Street and Midtown, Lyn-Lake (which is NOT Uptown), 50th and France Avenue, Warehouse District. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davumaya (talk • contribs) 17:43, January 4, 2007

Communities AND Neighborhoods
There should be a section here for communities as well as neighborhoods, with a better explanation of their differences. The city breaks itself down into communities composed of neighborhoods. The communities should be listed as well(see map of Minneapolis). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.122.211.122 (talk • contribs) 21:28, June 1, 2005

Lake St isn't only E-W running street that isn't a number.
The information on E-W running streets could use a little attention. Franklin is an exception to the stated rule. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Edkohler (talk • contribs) 20:01, November 8, 2005

Phillips Map
It might be noted that the graphic accompanying the article is outdated. Phillips has since been split into different neighorhoods: Ventura Village, West Phillips, East Phillips, and Midtown. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.73.52.36 (talk) 23:45, 1 February 2007 (UTC).

Other notes about the map
It would be good if we could get a map to specify where each neighborhood is; like is done for Minnesota on its page, highlighted within the map of the United States. Highlighting each neighborhood within a map of Minneapolis would be a nice feature for the neighborhood articles. matt91486 01:45, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * This has now been done. Eco84 | Talk 18:44, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I would propose we further your efforts by updating the map to possibly do a few things such as all the names of the neighborhoods (more for clicking on larger veresions) so that visitors will always know where they are in relation to other neighborhoods. A real super-badaz advancement is to actually have the map be clickable to go to different neighborhoods. A different option would be to indicate landmarks such as downtown Minneapolis, the Mississippi River, 35W, 94, etc.
 * Also lastly, I am thinking about a bloated master map for demonstration purposes which shows all the n'hoods, communities, landmarks, and districts and informal places. .:DavuMaya:. 09:34, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Proposals for template change
I have created two alternatives to the current Minneapolis neighborhood template. They are available for viewing on the template talk page. The two templates categorize each neighborhood according to what community it is located in. Currently, the communities and neighborhoods are listed separate from each other. Eco84 | Talk 00:20, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I like alternative #1 best. Good job.--Appraiser 11:57, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Unofficial designations
Since Neighborhoods of Minneapolis is mostly about official neighborhoods, I've reworked the commercial districts section into "unofficial neighborhoods." Most of the content is still there, just reframed to note the different ways unofficial neighborhoods relate to the official neighborhoods. I'd suggest that further discussion of commercial districts go to the general Minneapolis, Minnesota article.--Natcase 03:25, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

And I just did something similar for "Local areas" renaming it "City regions." Any better titles are welcomed. I took the previous authors' lead in tying the section together by street suffixes (N,S,E,W,NE,SE) and tried to just make it all make sense. Anyway, folks please have at it...--Natcase 04:05, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes..... crap, I hate it when you guys record each individual edit you do instead of more mass edits :) Its harder to track what has been changed. Anyway, it looks better but still not great. I can't imagine a better way to organize this information yet. Oddly we know more about the "unofficial" Minneapolis than the official one. Perhaps the next goal should be to gather actual information on each neighborhood to determine an overall history of how neighborhoods came into effect. I think as an encyclopedic article, people will want to know the history more than what currently exists as we see it because they can always go to Wikitravel for Uptown-esque info. .:DavuMaya:. 20:57, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

 * If you have Javascript enabled, on the History page there are two columns which you can use to select two versions, then press the button to view the differences between those two versions. Just as if there had been a single large edit.  -- SEWilco (talk) 04:20, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Map of neighborhoods
I've tagged the image Image:Mpls.png as having no source information. I'm pretty sure the image is from the city's website and if so would not be a work of the federal government. Someone might want to create a free map of Minneapolis to replace it. Eóin (talk) 22:43, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I've created a replacement, but it's not the greatest. Seeing how Image:Mpls.png has been deleted, it'll have to do until someone can make a better one. Eco84 | Talk 00:02, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Useful images
Anyone working on articles about individual Minneapolis neighborhoods might benefit from the images taken by Max Hailperin, whose blog All of Minneapolis documents his journey walking Minneapolis neighborhood by neighborhood, in alphabetical order. Images are licensed CC-BY-SA-4.0 and include both neighborhood landmarks (churches, libraries, etc.) and less notable buildings/locations (community gardens, walking paths, houses, stores). The project is, as of January 2019, in the Ls, so about half of neighborhoods have been walked (and photographed) so far. If you do upload them over on Commons, make sure to tag the pages with licencereview so a reviewer can confirm their external license (example ). Best —Collint c 15:09, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Community divisions--out of date?
I've been checking this page and its sources for information on official communities and cannot find any official City of Minneapolis source that discusses the communities of Minneapolis. Half of the references on the page are broken (likely just since the city overhauled the website) and the others don't give information on the communities existing. I even looked at a few neighborhood organizations' official websites and can't find anything. The city and the organizations define neighborhoods by their boundaries and not within larger Communities.

Anyone know--is this still a thing? Would have to restructure a bit of the neighborhoods and areas' articles individually to truly update it. Malvoliox (talk) 17:49, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

 * digging in a little more to this mystery, there are a only few larger areas that do have community organizations acting as overarching neighborhood organizations: Phillips and (Greater) Longfellow have full neighborhood/community orgs -- though phillips neighborhood network seems to have a broken website. Northeast also has a lot of organizations representing the area, though they aren't consistent in their definitions of Northeast/the "East Side". Some include neighborhoods in the old 'university' community -- see Eastside Neighborhood Services. Others like the Northeast Minneapolis Arts District represent a smaller portion of Northeast. Malvoliox (talk) 18:11, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for trying to improve the article. The City of Minneapolis has active links to maps of communities and refers to areas as communities in official documents. A few official examples of maps of communities include this one last updated on 3/8/2022 and this one updated June 7, 2019. The Minneapolis 2040 comprehensive plan published in 2020 referred to communities, such as on Page 321 when it stated, "The area of study includes portions of the Phillips Community, Corcoran Neighborhood, the Longfellow Community, and the Seward Neighborhood."
 * It is also important not to conflate community, neighborhood, and neighborhood organization in Minneapolis. They are all different, but sort of overlapping. There are 11 communities, 84 neighborhoods and 70 neighborhood organizations. Obviously the 84 neighborhoods are grouped into the 11 communities. For neighborhood organizations, it is a bit different. See this and this. Most neighborhood organizations follow neighborhood boundary lines while some organizations are a grouping of a few adjacent neighborhoods. The groupings of neighborhoods are still within a community boundary (e.g., Near North Willard-Hay organization is all within the Near North Community; Nokomis East organization is all within Nokomis).
 * It seems like communities are still a thing in Minneapolis based on the above. Did you find any sources stating that the city is doing away with the community distinction? Without confirmation of that officially or in reliable sources it encroaches on original research to infer that the communities are no longer relevant.
 * Thanks for starting the discussion. Minnemeeples (talk) 19:26, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * That makes sense. I would still argue that, while it's useful to use communities as a category and continue to mention them later in the article if we don't know for sure they're not a thing, it might not fit as well in the lead as it used to. If the consensus of other encyclopedia type folks is that they are indeed an essential distinction, it makes sense to keep. If we were writing this article now, I doubt that anyone would feel it important to structure the discussion of neighborhoods around communities as an official designation. I'd say this conversation is worth continuing to have for the sake of accuracy.
 * I will note -- the sources you share don't seem to fully support the significance of communities at present. The 2040 plan refers to the 2 communities that are more consistently established outside of the city designation (Longfellow and Phillips are the two that have any kind of organizational structure of their own that I can find). Sadly, the 2040 plan had to be paused in many ways when it was taken to court -- so its conception as a current document can also be called into question. The GIS map you linked from 3/8/22 is the only  map or list with communities that I've seen yet with updates more recent than 2020--and the one updated in June 2019 doesn't even have communities in it.
 * I'll also note that NCR (Neighborhood and Community Relations) has plenty of documentation about engaging "underrepresented communities" and about working in neighborhoods, but not a lot of language about communities as a formalized structure. They're the descendant of/new manager of the NRP that initially created the neighborhood and community designations, and even their use of 'community' in the name does not seem to refer to this grouping.
 * The main reasoning I had is that, in all the city's current language about neighborhoods-on their website and anything released in the past 2 years-communities as defined here are not mentioned. The city website's Community and Neighborhood page only refers to neighborhoods, cultural districts, and 'youth' engagement -- seeming to use the word 'community' in the more colloquial sense for the third group.
 * My initial reasoning for looking into communities was around the Calhoun-Isles community, a name that refers to the old name of the lake. The only documents that have been shared here, the ones you linked too, came prior to the renaming of all the neighborhoods named after Calhoun (namely, the former ECCO, CARAG and West Calhoun), and these older documents still use the name Calhoun-Isles. It seems unlikely that the city intends to keep using this name, but we don't have a new one in place--and the more looking to find evidence of its existence I did, the more I saw that all the official maps are outdated -- with old neighborhood names -- or come from links to the former city website.
 * While I'm at it, I can't find a source saying that the neighborhoods are defined by council and not by CPED/NCR. Interesting that the lead phrases it as a council designation. Have you been able to find a citation for this detail? Malvoliox (talk) 16:27, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the continued conversation! The communities are important of the history of the city (see this map from 1925) and a relevant feature today. An article of Minneapolis neighborhoods would be incomplete without discussion of communities.
 * I would caution against making too many profound inferences about whether communities are still a thing from some of the content you have viewed on the current iteration of the City of Minneapolis website. It used to have very detailed demographic and historic profiles of communities and neighborhoods (e.g., Phillips Community as archived in 2011). The website in 2024 is more service focused (e.g., how to contact look up you neighborhood and who to contact your neighborhood organization) without much of the background, demographics, and history it used to have. And in place of that history, the city seems to be using its website to tout its own current-day political initiatives and goals (e.g., new cultural district designations, George Floyd Square community engagement, economic revitalization, youth, and etc.) That doesn't mean communities were officially eliminated or no longer relevant.
 * You still find community-level information via the city's page, such as the maps I posted above. If you go the Community and neighborhoods page you mentioned and scroll to the bottom there is a link for "Income, demographics and population of Minneapolis and Saint Paul neighborhoods" that takes you to a MNCompass page for Minneapolis-Saint Paul Neighborhoods: Minneapolis-Saint Paul at a glance--that page has the map of communities. If you click on a community, it provides you with detailed demographic data at the community level.
 * The community was not a level of local government. As such, a city website focused on city services and current political goals is not going to have much focus on communities. However, communities were and are an important grouping of neighborhoods, often with distinct identities and characteristics, for which present-day demographic data is still available. Minnemeeples (talk) 15:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for clarifying -- and providing a few more sources! It's especially cool to see those earlier community boundaries. Just wanted to understand how it does work & avoid misinforming -- this makes a lot of sense.
 * Malvoliox (talk) 17:50, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Q. Are We Not Men? A: We Are Devo!

Page move

 * Very strong support for move to an article title with a question mark after "Men". This page-move has been one of the ones haunting my dreams for months. I think about it constantly: will it ever be moved? Should it? Of course it should. Why hasn't it already? It's even given as an example of the ideal way an article should be named when "Q:", for example, is impossible. It has seized my brain like a fever. Let the madness finally end that I may find peace; please, for the love of god, move the article. -Silence 22:48, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Clarification of this proposal The actual title of the album is Q: Are We Not Men? A: We Are Devo!, but the article cannot reside there because Q: makes links to Wikiquote. So it is being proposed that the Q: and A: be spelled out as a compromise. —jiy (talk) 18:07, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Support Spelling out the words "question" and "answer" as opposed to eliminating them altogether seems like an appropriate compromise. -Dan40 16:37, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Support the renaming of this article strongly as well, this is a much better alternative to the present situation. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 18:51, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Support. I think I'd prefer just the letters (even without the colons), but anything would probably better than what it is now. Folkor 18:05, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Johnny B. Goode
"'Come Back Jonee' incorporates the famous guitar lick from Chuck Berry's Johnny B. Goode..."

Pardon me, but am I the only person who missed this when I heard the song?

Er...

Page move idea
What about moving it to Q. Are We Not Men? A. We Are Devo! with periods instead of colons? -- Jordan Elder talk 04:14, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

LP sides
Track listing should reflect album as originally issued (i.e., LP vinyl/cassette) per WP:ALBUM: "Albums originally released primarily on vinyl or cassette should similarly list the tracks of each side separately under sub-headings named "Side one" and "Side two". "Cloonmore (talk) 18:21, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You wouldn't believe how much flak I get when I do it the "correct" way (side one-side two) for certain albums made before 1987, even when I point people to that paragraph. The operative part is "should similarly list" rather than "should always, except under expressly-stated conditions, have listed" . No arguments from me. Fantailfan (talk) 01:17, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Syntax? Grammar?
This article reads like crap. Cloonmore (talk) 06:12, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, there's always Civility, but I've tried to clean it up. That list stuff in the middle is all very trivial and cites imdb, which needs to be cleaned up and inputted with more useful information. I'm not the best and writing, but I'm trying my best. If you see something you dislike about the article grammar or syntax wise, why not help clean it up? Cheers. Andrzejbanas (talk) 06:39, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * There we go! Thanks for cleaning up the page! I think we should add information about themes and style of the music in the album before submitting it for a GA. Thanks Cloonmore! Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:23, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * GA?Cloonmore (talk) 03:16, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * GA! Andrzejbanas (talk) 04:36, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Title
Do we really need that page header note, who is it helping and what is it adding? In ictu oculi (talk)

DISPLAYTITLE to fix display title
Wikipedia now has Template:DISPLAYTITLE to fix titles like this. I'm not sure how to do it. Could someone who is confident enough fix it? -Taras (talk) 00:33, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

 * For posterity, the reason this is not done is because the page titles are not equivalent: Warning: Display title "Q: Are We Not Men? A: We Are Devo!" was ignored since it is not equivalent to the page's actual title. — cBuckley (Talk • Contribs) 15:11, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 08:11, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

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Tibthorpe

Tibthorpe is a village and civil parish in the East Riding of Yorkshire, England. According to the 2011 UK census, Tibthorpe parish had a population of 157, a decrease on the 2001 UK census figure of 162. It is 5 mi to the west of Driffield on the edge of the Yorkshire Wolds, it lies on the B1248 road between the villages of Bainton to the south and Wetwang to the north. High Wood and Low Wood to the south are a haven for wildlife.

The village has a long history stretching back to before the Domesday Book when it was known as Tibetorp. It is recorded that centuries ago monks from Watton Abbey pastured sheep around the village and could rest at a 'chapel of ease' located in the village. The village has no pub, school or church. There was once a Methodist Chapel, built in 1823, that was demolished some years ago, along with a number of 18th century cottages, during road construction.

In the past several small businesses flourished in the village, including a cobbler, a fishmonger, a milkman, a butcher and a fruiterer as well as a village store and blacksmith.

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Talk:New Traditionalists

"Markedly different" sounds?
This doesn't make sense. How can New Traditionalists be "markedly different" from Freedom of Choice, when that's classed as being different from its respective previous album for the exact same reason?

"Freedom of Choice is an album by New Wave musicians Devo, released in 1980 (see 1980 in music). It was highly unlike Devo's previous albums, full of synthesizers and outright synth pop elements. The album is considered to be quintessentially Eighties."

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Choice

New Traditionalists is a 1981 album by the New Wave rock band Devo. It features the minor hits "Through Being Cool", and "Beautiful World". The sound was markedly different from the previous album Freedom of Choice, with synthesizers moved to the forefront, and guitars more subdued. The lyrics are extremely dark and vitriolic, as well.

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Traditionalists

--86.130.116.148 08:43, 13 July 2006 (UTC)frosty

Yup, sounds like rubbish to me too :)--feline1 08:58, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Amazing how few changes can make an article much better. Thanks, cat. --Fantailfan 12:18, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I am amazed by the complete lack of attention to the fact that the lead singer, Mark Mothersbaugh, only features on three vocals, compared to bass-player/songwriter Gerald Casale's dominance. Does nobody know why this is the case? Why at the commercial peak of their powers did Devo decide to get decent-yet-hardly-lead-singer-material band member Gerry to become lead singer on this album? Did Mark have something wrong with his voice? Subsequent Devo albums would feature far more Casale lead vocals too, to the material's obvious detriment. Is there an official reason that lead singer duties were shared from this point on? I mean no offence: Gerry isn't a bad singer at all, it's just that Mothersbaugh has an incredible voice and one that obviously belongs to a LEAD SINGER....... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trip Head (talk • contribs) 19:11, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

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Alternate Music Videos Used In Tour.
As noted in interviews, Gerry Casale was forced to edit some of DEVO’s music videos, to get MTV airplay. But, for the “New Traditionalists” Tour, it apparently was “anything goes”. Specifically the “Love Without Anger” video, only released in edited form to home media, had a couple of changes. For example; the scene with the innocent DEVO choir boys, singing from a book titled “Love Without Anger”, there was a reverse shot to show the contents of the book - two toy dolls having sex. DEVO, it seems, wanted concert goers to get the real truth about de-evolution! 75.106.32.81 (talk) 22:24, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

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Thug Life, Volume I

Thug Life, Volume I is the only studio album by the American hip-hop group Thug Life. The album was released on September 26, 1994, by Interscope Records and Out da Gutta Records and distributed by Atlantic Records. The group, started by American rapper 2Pac, comprised 2Pac, his stepbrother Mopreme Shakur, and Stretch, who was heavily involved in 2Pac's previous two albums, Big Syke, The Rated R, and Macadoshis.

The album features guest appearances by Y.N.V. and Nate Dogg and production by Thug Music, comprising 2Pac and Stretch, Stretch himself, Professor Jay, Johnny "J", Warren G, and Easy Mo Bee. Since 1998, the album has been reissued by Amaru Entertainment. The album debuted at number 42 on the Billboard 200 and was certified gold by Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA).

Background
In 2016, Mopreme Shakur, Macadoshis, and Big Syke, members of Thug Life, spoke exclusively to VladTV about how 2Pac heavily advocated for Interscope to sign them after he formed the group. Syke explained that it took a lot of persuading from 2Pac to convince the label to sign them and added that they then faced an uphill battle with censorship on the album, revealing that due to the heavy criticism of gangsta rap at the time, the original album wasn't what got released to the public. Speaking more about their debut project, Syke revealed that Thug Life was never supposed to be a group, it was supposed to be a movement, a compilation album represented by more rappers than what appeared on the album, one rapper being The Notorious B.I.G. He added that the idea of making Thug Life a group was thought up by Interscope Records during their rearranging of the album's tracks.

With many songs deemed by Interscope Records too controversial to release, the album only features ten songs, with two being solo songs by 2Pac and two not featuring the rapper. Since 2Pac died in 1996, many songs removed from the album have been released on the rapper's posthumous releases. One song recorded during the album's creation and scrapped due to its theme is Runnin', which features The Notorious B.I.G., Dramacydal, and Buju Banton alongside 2Pac and Stretch of Thug Life. The song was officially released in November of the following year as a single from the compilation album One Million Strong. In 2003, a remix of the song, with an alternate verse from 2Pac and featuring only The Notorious B.I.G., was released as a single from the soundtrack to the Academy Award-nominated documentary film Tupac: Resurrection.

Singles
The first single, "Pour Out a Little Liquor" was released on August 23, 1994. It was first released on the soundtrack for the film Above the Rim earlier the same year.

The second single, "Cradle to the Grave", was released on November 4, 1994. An earlier version of which had been released that same year on 2Pac's "Papa'z Song" single.

A clean version of "How Long Will They Mourn Me?" was released as a promo single and music video in 1995, and in 1998, the album version appeared on 2Pac's Greatest Hits album.

As the original version of the album never came to fruition, the planned first single from the album, "Out on Bail," was never released, although 2Pac did perform it at the 1994 Source Awards, and it has since been remixed by Eminem and included on 2Pac's posthumous album Loyal to the Game.

Critical reception
The album has been met with critical acclaim retrospectively as a classic underground rap album. "Full of machismo and do or die stances," wrote Jake Barnes in Q, "the lyrics' hardcore posturing is perversely undercut by sweet and delicate backings from artists like Curtis Mayfield, George Clinton and The Isley Brothers."

"A shockingly considered, thoughtful rap record," opined Select's Matt Hall. "And a very chilling one."

Commercial performance
The album was certified gold on January 24, 1996, selling over 500,000 copies.

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Democratic Party (Slovakia, 1989)

The Democratic Party (Demokratická strana, DS) was a political party in Slovakia, active between 1989 and 2006.

History
The party emerged from the Democratic Party Party of Slovak Revival (SSO) which had been a bloc party within the communist-dominated National Front of the ČSSR since 1948. In December 1989, at the end of the Velvet Revolution that ended the communist rule in Czechoslovakia, the SSO decided to change its name to Democratic Party, claiming to be a continuation of the historical Democratic Party that had existed from 1944 to 1948 and had been the strongest party in Slovakia during the immediate post-war period before the communist takeover.

The DS won 7 seats out of 150 in the Slovak parliament (Slovak National Council) and no seats in the federal parliament in 1990, but no seats in any parliament in 1992.

In 1994, the party was "recreated" by a merge with the parties: The new chairman of the party was P. Hagyari, and the vice-chairman was Ivan Mikloš, the finance minister of Slovakia in 2010 - 2012.
 * Občiansko-demokratická únia (ODÚ, Civic Democratic Union, i.e. the remnants of the former Public Against Violence party)
 * Občianska demokratická strana Slovenska (Civic Democratic Party of Slovakia)
 * Demokrati 92 (Democrats 92)
 * Hnutie česko-slovenského porozumenia (Movement of Czech-Slovak comprehension)
 * Zelená liga (The Green League)

In the 1994 parliamentary election, the party run for parliamentary seats together with the Strana podnikateľov a živnostníkov (Party of Entrepreneurs and businessmen), but again won no seats. Hagyari was replaced by Ján Langoš, the former minister of the interior of Czechoslovakia, in 1995.

In the 1998 election, the party run for parliamentary seats within the coalition (later party) Slovak Democratic Coalition (SDK), so that many candidates of the Democratic Party got into the parliament as candidates of the SDK. In the course of the subsequent dissolution of the Slovak Democratic Coalition in 2001, some members left the Democratic Party (Ivan Mikloš, for example, became a chairman of the newly founded Slovak Democratic and Christian Union), and František Šebej became the new chairman for short time and was quickly replaced by Ľudovít Kaník.

In the 2002 election, the party run for parliamentary seats together with the parties Civic Conservative Party (OKS, led by Ján Langoš) and Liberal-Democratic Union (LDÚ, led by Ján Budaj), both of which arose in the course of the dissolution of the SDK. Shortly before the election however the party withdraw its candidature and recommended its voters to vote for the Slovak Democratic and Christian Union (SDKÚ) of Mikuláš Dzurinda. This was due to an agreement with the SDKÚ, according to which Ľudovít Kaník, the chairman of the Democratic Party, received one seat in the new 2002 government - the seat of the minister of social affairs and family. After a scandal, however, Kaník left the government in October 2005 and talks about a merge of the Democratic Party with the SDKÚ were announced.

The extraordinary party congress held on December 17, 2005 approved that the party would merge with the SDKÚ (whose name then changed to SDKÚ-DS). The merger was approved by a SDKÚ congress held on January 21, 2006.

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User talk:Roosterhead

Welcome, ! I noticed that you placed a vote on Votes for deletion/HYPS. Participation in the community is encouraged, of course, but your status as a brand new user means that your vote might not be counted. Please understand that this is a common practice on Wikipedia, and that it is necessary to prevent deliberate misuse of our voting systems. Straw polls on Wikipedia are meant to measure community consensus, and should not necessarily be taken as literal one-member one-vote voting. However, please do make further contributions to Wikipedia, and express your opinion on policy matters. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 21:32, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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User talk:Stanford08

Welcome, ! I noticed that you placed a vote on Votes for deletion/HYPS. Participation in the community is encouraged, of course, but your status as a brand new user means that your vote might not be counted. Please understand that this is a common practice on Wikipedia, and that it is necessary to prevent deliberate misuse of our voting systems. Straw polls on Wikipedia are meant to measure community consensus, and should not necessarily be taken as literal one-member one-vote voting. However, please do make further contributions to Wikipedia, and express your opinion on policy matters. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 21:31, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

University of California, Berkeley
Thanks for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and has now been reverted or removed. Please use Sandbox for any other tests you want to do, since testing in articles will be reverted quickly. Please see the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks. -- ericl234   talk  23:24, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

Japan article: non NPOV contributions
Stanford, I realize you are passioante about the territorial disputes with China, but this text does not belong on the Japan article for several reasons: 1. It is not Neutral point-of-view 2. It is not confirmed information (it depends on heresay) 3. It is way too detailed to appear on this article page. You should put the text (in a neutral format) on a sub page. Davejenk1ns 10:23, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

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Green Party (Slovakia)

The Green Party (Strana zelených, SZ), between October 1991 and January 2006 called the Green Party in Slovakia (Strana zelených na Slovensku), was an environmentalist political party in Slovakia without parliamentary representation.

History
The Green Party was founded on 9 December 1989 as a Czechoslovakia-wide party, and was the second green party in post-communist countries. It was registered on 3 February 1990 and three branches were set up – Bohemian, Moravian-Silesian and Slovak. The first congress of the Slovak branch was held in February 1990 in Banska Bystrica, with Juraj Mesík elected as chairman.

In the 1990 Slovak elections the party received 3.1% of the vote, winning six of the 150 seats in the National Council. The combined party failed to win any seats in the nationwide elections. On 21 October 1991 the Slovak branch of the party was officially registered as a separate party with the Ministry of the Interior as the Green Party in Slovakia.

In the 1992 Slovak elections the party's vote share fell to 2.1% and it lost all six seats. Prior to the 1994 elections the party joined the Common Choice alliance. The alliance finished in second place, winning 18 seats, of which two were taken by the Greens.

In June 1995 the party became the 28th full member of the European Green Party but is no member anymore in 2020.

It joined the Slovak Democratic Coalition (SDK) in the buildup to the 1998 elections. With the SDK winning 42 seats, the Greens took four seats. The party contested the 2002 elections alone, but received only 1% of the vote and failing to win a seat.

In 2006 it changed its name from the Green Party of Slovakia to the Green Party. It had some candidates on the Free Forum list in the 2006 elections, but failed to win a seat. In the 2010 elections it had candidates on the Party of the Democratic Left list, again failing to win a seat. They contested the 2012 elections alone, receiving 0.4% of the vote, remaining seatless.

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Liberal Party (Slovakia)

Liberal Party (Liberálna strana, LS) was a political party in Slovakia founded on 28 March 2003 by dissident parliamentarians who split from Vladimír Mečiar's Movement for a Democratic Slovakia (HZDS). The party was founded under the name People's Union (Ľudová únia) and renamed itself to 'Liberal Party' on 26 March 2007. From 2003 to 2006 the party had MPs in the Slovak Parliament (elected on the HZDS ticket), since 2006 the party is extra-parliamentary. LS runs on a conservative and populist platform.

History
The party was founded by 11 Movement for a Democratic Slovakia party MPs: Miroslav Abelovský, Jozef Brhel, Jozef Elsner, Ján Gabriel, Ján Mikolaj, Ivan Kiňo, Gustáv Krajči, Igor Pinkava, Ladislav Polka, Vojtech Tkáč, Rudolf Žiak and numerous prominent ex-HZDS members like Peter Chudík, Peter Tomeček and Oľga Keltošová.

The party was first led by Vojtech Tkáč, before Gustáv Krajči was elected leader in 2004. Krajčí remains the president of the party.

In July 2004, Tkáč resigned from his position of party leader. Oľga Keltošová and other deputy leaders resigned as well, citing their opposition to some party members voting differently in the Parliament than agreed upon inside the party.

Party leadership

 * Since founding on 28 March 2003: Vojtech Tkáč (Leader)
 * Since the 9 October 2004 Party Congress in Spišská Nová Ves: Gustáv Krajči (Leader), Vladimír Hricko (Deputy for Public Service and Regional Politics), Ján Gabriel (Deputy for Economics)
 * Current leadership: Gustáv Krajči (Leader), Peter Kováčik and Miroslav Jevočin and Anton Tanistrák (Deputies), Alexandra Farkašová (General Secretary)

Elections results
The party took part in the European Parliament election in 2004 under the name People's Union (ĽÚ) in coalition with Movement for Democracy (HZD). Together they received 1,69% of votes and therefore no seat in the European Parliament.

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Social Democratic Alternative

The Social Democratic Alternative (Sociálnodemokratická alternatíva) was a political party in Slovakia.

In 2001 the Party of the Democratic Left (SDL) more and more turned away from the Dzurinda-government – the then finance minister Brigita Schmögnerová and other popular politicians from the social-liberal wing of the SDL (like Peter Weiss and Milan Ftáčnik) the SDL to found a "modern, anti-nationalist and anti-populist" party. At the last legislative elections, 20 and 21 September 2002, the party won 1.8% of the popular vote and no seats. It merged with the SMER party as from January 2005.

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True Slovak National Party

The True Slovak National Party, also translated as Real Slovak National Party or Right Slovak National Party (Pravá Slovenská národná strana), was a minor extreme far-right political party in Slovakia. At the 20 and 21 September 2002 legislative elections, the party won 3.7% of the popular vote and no seats. Since that time, the party re-merged with the SNS, which elected Ján Slota chairman.

History
In 2000, the internal conflicts within the Slovak National Party (SNS) between Anna Malíková (later known as Anna Belousovová) and Ján Slota finally led to a split, by shutting out Ján Slota and 7 other MPs of the SNS, who founded the True Slovak National Party in late 2001. The founding congress elected unanimously Ján Slota chairman of the party. After the unsuccessful parliamentary elections of 2002, the party formed a coalition with SNS. After the 2004 European Parliamentary elections, where they nominated candidates together, and failed to send any candidates, since they reached only 2,01%. The two parties re-merged on April 4, 2005.

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Wikipedia:Cleanup Taskforce/RN Ensign image

RN Ensign image
I've been trying to get copyright-OK images of various naval ensigns and jacks uploaded recently. One of those that I have sorted out is the Royal Navy ensign image. There is a version created by me and licensed under the GFDL at Image:RN-White-Ensign.png. The problem is that the previous version which has copyright problems is linked to by hundreds of articles in the standard ship table. I would thus appreciate some help in getting the old ensign image Image:rnensign.png unlinked to all those pages and replaced with the new version. Until we have got rid of all those links there is no point deleting the old image as it would break many, many articles. The new image should be set to a size of 60px to appear the correct size in the tables. David Newton 21:34, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Adding to User:Tony Sidaway/Desk (organization and link rationalization). -- Beland 06:18, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Old image is unlinked, now closing issue - Trevor MacInnis (Talk | Contribs) 00:57, 30 August 2005 (UTC)


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User talk:Batgirl

Greetings
It's been a few months, but I just stumbled across the Sonja Graf article you created. It's well written and very interesting. Thanks for your contribution. Quale 21:35, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I'd just like to echo Quale's remarks; hopefully you'll write some more articles in the future. You'll see from the various suggested articles at WikiProject Chess that we are short of a number of woman player biographies and a lot more besides. Also - thanks for all the great chess photos you've put on the web. I must confess that I've posted a few of them here on Wikipedia. Brittle heaven (talk) 00:51, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

ACA
Hi, thanks for chiming in on Talk:American Chess Association. Also, I wanted to say thank you for the excellent resources you have put online at batgirl.atspace.com. You may be interested in WikiProject Chess, and s:Wikisource:Chess; the latter is over on our sister project Wikisource, and has been a pet project of mine to put online all of the important pieces of chess history. Cheers, John Vandenberg 16:19, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Gisela Gresser
What is the source of this:

 * When she died at age 94, the USCF still had her listed:

 * Gresser, Gisela Kahn (WIM) USA 2090.

I looked at the issue of CL with her obit, and I didn't see it. Also, her last rating, according to MSA, was 1937 (last rated game was from 1991). If this was on the USCF website somewhere, if it's still there, we can cite it, but if it isn't, we can't. Bruce leverett (talk) 20:00, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I found the source of the 2090; it's her last FIDE rating, according to Olimpbase. Her first FIDE rating, in 1972 when FIDE ratings for women were first computed, was 2065; she lost some points during the 1970's, then got 100 free points in 1986-7, then lost a few more (when she was about 80 years old).

 * So I know what this last sentence means. Usually, we do not give a person's peak FIDE rating in the text of the article, but there is a place for it in the Infobox.  I will look into creating an infobox for this article.  Bruce leverett (talk) 04:30, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

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