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Talk:Dumbledore's Army

Lavender Brown
I saw the film last night, and her character does appear in "Deathly Hallows." She is NOT the girl who is attacked and killed by Fenrir. That character is unnamed. 174.99.62.175 (talk) 04:23, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Yeah no it is Lavender, as to 'almost attacked' i'd like to point out the large gaping wound on her neck and the blood around Fenrir's mouth, I think it was a little more than almost 125.237.96.178 (talk) 21:27, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

J.K. Rowling never actually addressed whether Lavender died in the end of DH. In the novel, the last mentioned of Lavender was that she was stirring feebly and crawling away, but never was said to be dead. In fact, when talking about where they placed Voldemort's body, it is said that his was placed away from 'Fred, Tonks, Lupin and Colin Creevey, plus some fifty others who fell.' Lavender was important enough that I think she would have been mentioned here had she died Iheartthestrals (talk) 21:19, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

 * There is absolutely gigantic discussion on HP Wiki on whether Lavender has been killed or not. To quote preface of that page “If you wish to weigh an opinion on the subject of Lavender Brown's death, please take a few moments first to read through the many, many discussions on this issue already in the talk page archive. Before starting any new topics about this, please consider whether or not it would really add anything new to the debate, or whether it would simply be repeating what has already been discussed. Thank you.” Ceplm (talk) 09:59, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Served in Battle?
Okay, next to some people's names under the list of members, it mentions that some of them "served in battle". Wouldn't something else be appropriate? Served in battle sounds like they were in the military or sounds like they fought in a war. According to what I remember, they didn't have any MAJOR battles or anything. Wouldn't something like "active in combat" be better?

 * I think "Battle" is appropriate, as it refers to the "Battle of Hogwarts" where they fought against the Death Eaters. Almost all DA members were present to fight.

--Airox 06:48, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Wrong Name
The real name is Defense Association or something alike, not Dumbledore's Army. hello!

--CranberryJ 23:58, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Incorrect! Defense Association was an idea for the name, but after Ginevra suggested Dumbledore's Army, it became the official name, and Hermione recorded it at the top of that sheet with all their names. Supersaiyanplough|(talk) 04:24, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Incorrect her name is genny not ginevra
 * Genny is also wrong The girl is most commonly known as Ginny.(E-flah)
 * Cho Chang suggested the name "Defense Association" and the abbreviations "D.A.," so they can talk about the secret organization in public without blowing the whole secret to others. Ginny liked "D.A." but suggested "Dumbledore's Army" instead to mock the Ministry of Magic, who thought Dumbledore was building up an army.

--Airox 06:53, 5 August 2007 (UTC) --BCherri28 21:24, 20th January 2011 —Preceding undated comment added 21:25, 20 January 2011 (UTC).
 * Ginny's real name is Ginevra. Ginny is her nickname.
 * That is correct, her full name is Ginerva Molly Weasly but more commonly known as Ginny.

Framing Dumbledore
In the section where it remarks Dumbledore rescued Harry by framing himself, then escaping the Aurors; are we first sure that these could be called Aurors, given that Cornelius Fudge was at that point adamant no Dark Forces remained active? Furthermore, should it be acknowledged that one of these, Kingsley Shacklebolt is a member of the Order of the Phoenix and assisted Dumbledore - by surreptitiously modifying Edgecombe's memory?
 * While that may be the case, the Ministry is still training Aurors, as can be seen by Tonks, who had only completed the training the year previous to OoTP. - Supersaiyanplough|(talk) 11:05, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

The ministry may deny that Lord Voldemort has returned, however I dont think they have ever claimed that there are no Dark Wizards still at large or indeed former Death Eaters, (for example the sequence at the Quidditch World Cup in GOF). Therefore this may account for the continued need for Aurors. Dan 03:02, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Rowling called them Aurors in OotP so I see why they shouldn't be called such. Iheartthestrals (talk) 21:21, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

I mean I DON'T see why they shouldn't be called such. Iheartthestrals (talk) 21:21, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

DA Image
The fan-drawn image doesn't really seem appropriate. I'd request its removal, if other people agree... --Cruci 13:45, 18 July 2005 (UTC) Supersaiyanplough|(talk) 03:31, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Why not? No other image is yet available. When OoTP movie comes out, use one from there, but until then what's wrong with the fan one?
 * I was going to say the same thing. I think it should go. 207.59.86.5 19:53, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * It's not particularly well drawn, and is in a style wholly alien to the series, for starters. Can we agree to follow what the majority of replies here suggest? It's rather like putting in pencil drawings on paper knapkins for all of the other characters that we haven't yet seen - it's simply inconsistant.--Cruci 23:02, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

I don't know. I like the image, actually, in the sense that it's a good drawing, but I don't know about whether it's good to use fan art to illustrate articles. Also that is a point about being in anime style, which is a little out of place. Everyking 05:08, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I'd be rather in favour of the image, especially since no film has yet be made about this, so this is one valid personal image of the little band; however, I would be more comfortable if the image had a proper licence. Rama 13:03, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Firstly the movie is not expected out until 2007 so where is the harm in keeping the image there until then. Secondly the idea that we cannot illustrate characters in works of fiction until those books have been addapted into a major motion picture is troublesome. The motion picture itself is nothing more than the filmmakers conception of characters. What if the in the movie characters are absent or their appearence is different than that described in the novel, wouldn't that presentation be inconsistant? While it would be ideal for J.K. Rowling to provide us with an illustration of the group, as far as I know she has not published one, so any reasonable illustration of what she has written (Film included) should be valid. While there is still the issue of the Eastern style of the portrait, no one here has supplied an accurate illustration that is consistant in style with English fantasy.

kmmck, 16:46, 6 September 2005

Pronuciation
Do you pronouce it the DA (rhyming with la) or D.A. (2 separate letters)
 * I believe it is meant to be said the "dee ay." Just like you don't sake the "ussuh" for USA or "uck" for UK. --Fbv65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 23:48, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

pronouncing it: DAA!! wud just be stupid.....srry...
 * Well daa... ;) ϲнʌɴɗɩєʀ  18:35, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Cho Chang's apparent betrayal
The article mentions the trailer showing her alongside members of the Inquisitorial Squad, and a parenthetical rebuttal mentions that it appears as if Draco Malfoy is holding her by the back of her cloak. According to this particular still photograph from the movie, it's quite clear that Draco is holding her by the back of her cloak. This means that Cho is not responsible for willingly betraying the D.A., and the paranthetical rebuttal statement is also unnecessary. Therefore, I am removing both the betrayal statement and its rebuttal. --Deathphoenix ʕ 18:31, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, she gave them up under the influence of Veritaserum. But if that should be considered betrayal... I dont know, I really don't even think that the changes they made in the movie should be found here, but only in the film articles under some sort of "differences from the book" ϲнʌɴɗɩєʀ  18:34, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Marietta Edgecombe service
I think it's safe to say the Marietta didn't serve in battle. She wasn't even mentioned in Deathly Hallows, so I'm going to change it from unknown to none. Lionheart08 02:04, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

guy in the left of the picture
does anyone knpw who the guy on the left is in the picture?
 * No idea :/ Ravenclaw at least. So Anthony Goldstein, Michael Corner or Terry Boot. CHANDLER  talk  20:22, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

It is Michael Corner. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Booksurle (talk • contribs) 23:00, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Justin Finch-Fletchley
Does anywhere in Deathly Hallows explicitly say he returned to Hogwards to fight? As a muggle-born he wasn't allowed in the school I know. Small5th 16:51, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Hermione Granger fought. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.18.38.210 (talk) 17:56, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

 * however she fought because she accompanied Harry to the school in the serch for Ravenclaws dìadem and was not at the school that year prior to the event. It is possible that Justin returned t the school to fight when he heard that there was a batlle happening howevwr thatis assuming that he didnt hear about it only after the bbattle had finished. 122.150.144.254 (talk) 13:25, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

"Battle" and "war"
References to "Battle of ..." and "... War" should be removed from this article. See here for centralized discussion and links to the relevant pages. Savidan 01:34, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

In-universe
That's going to be a tough issue to solve because Rowling didn't talk about the D.A. too much in interviews. Beemer69 04:14, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Page protected
As to why this page is currently protected by an administrator, there is a dispute on merging the Luna Lovegood and Neville Longbottom articles into this one. See discussion at Harry Potter WikiProject: Merge Proposal Luna Lovegood and Neville Longbottom. --Oakshade (talk) 03:53, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

About Cho Chang
Is she a Chinese girl or has some Asian origin? Her name sounds like a Chinese name in Cantonese accent. Dreamback1116 (talk) 05:20, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Merge proposal
I come with this merge proposal because of several reasons. First of all, many other important characters have been already merged, such as Sirius Black, McGonagall, Lupin, James and Lily, the Weasleys, etc., most of them as important or more important than Luna. Also, her article violates several Wikipedia guidelines. For example WAF, all sections of the article have in-universe plot description, even the intro and the "Character development" section. The "Appearances" section is extremely long if compared to the rest of the content (even the "Life after book series section", is larger than any of the "Epilogue" sections in other articles such as Harry's, Hermione's or Ginny's). Furthermore, it also violates N. No sections about deep analysis, attributes or true character development have been added. That's why I propose to merge it into Dumbledore's Army, as it was basically her involvement in the organization which made her important. -- LoЯd  ۞pεth  23:03, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose Merge - There's far too much topic-specific content in the Luna Lovegood article to be merged into the already long Dumbledore's Army one. Not completely following a style guideline like Wikipedia:WAF is a matter of article improvement, not deletion/merge (I never subscribed to the “We must destroy this article in order to save it” mentality).  The topic also easily passes the core criteria of WP:NOTABILITY as this topic has received very substantial in-depth coverage by secondary sources, the very core criteria of WP:N (examples: ).  Just as a reminder, the General notability guideline of WP:NOTABILITY states:
 * If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article. --Oakshade (talk) 23:36, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

 * The "too much topic-specific content" is violation of WAF, as it is mostly overdetailed scenes. Just look at Hermione's article, which is rated GA, and it has smaller sections in Order of the Phoenix, Half-Blood Prince and Deathly Hallows, and is by far a much more important character and has obvioulsy more appearances in those books than Luna. Even without a merge proposal, that article needs trimming and improvement.
 * The first link you provided is not about Luna, is about Harry Potter and talks about lots of characters, including Cho Chang, Filius Flitwick, Padma Patil, and even Trevor (Neville's toad). I don't think that because of a small mention in a list of characters' profiles, Trevor and Padma Patil are notable. The second link talks about lots of things including wands, Quidditch and Hogwarts Houses (which are also an important topic in the HP universe and have been already merged). Thus, Luna's article has not proven the Notability you claim. In the other hand, it is entirely plot re-tell, and you have done nothing to improve it and have not even made an edit since the last proposal. -- LoЯd   ۞pεth  23:56, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The chapter entitled "Luna Lovegood" is not about Luna Lovegood? (Never claimed the book was about her.)  It seems you're under the false impression that WP:N stipulates an entire book must be written about a topic to be notable.  Not the case in any manner.  As long as the coverage is substantial not "trival" (defined by WP:N as a "passing mention" or "directory listing"), the coverage suffices.  An attack on a specific editor for having edited an article or not is a red herring and has absolutely nothing to do with the merits of article inclusion. --Oakshade (talk) 00:07, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Shall we then create articles for Padma, Crookshanks or Trevor the toad? They are mentioned too, so I suppose they are extremely notable... -- LoЯd  ۞pεth  00:09, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

 * (ec) Case in point: These are the changes in the article since the last merge proposal four months ago (i.e. not much). The article still has a long way to go to become a GA (or even just B-class), if that's even possible. I think I stated in the last merge proposal to first trim the plot summary of this character and then compare article sizes, because I admit that 48kB+15kB isn't the best proposal. But if the HP wikiproject wants to write a Featured Topic on the characters on day (which is certainly doable), then I don't think Luna would be part of it as a stand-alone article, hence I support a merger in principle. – sgeureka t•c 00:10, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Observation - Sadly, evidence of violation of WP:VOTESTACKING is already occurring for this discussion. Two currently active users who “voted” in favor of the merge position in the last merge discussion have been notified of this current merge proposal by the nominator  while he didn’t notify any active users who were opposed to the merger.  We have no problem with strongly having a point of view, but guidelines like this were set up in order to always acquire a proper gauge of consensus --Oakshade (talk) 00:48, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Two editors is not "mass canvassing". And neither Judgesurreal nor Beemer are "Keep/Delete/Merge only voters". They have always provided well-thought arguments. -- LoЯd  ۞pεth  01:46, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

I'll add my two Knuts here. Luna appears late in the series and consequently doesn't have a whole lot of backstory that's truly worthy of an individual article. While she was involved in the climax battles in the last three books, it was in a supporting role each time, and it's not until Deathly Hallows that the Lovegoods play a significant part in the overall storyline. Everything else pretty much consists of Luna's mannerisms providing comic relief (her appearance, nonsense words, The Quibbler). If Potter powerhouses like Sirius Black and Minerva McGonagall can be couched into one main article, it doesn't quite make sense that a lesser character like Luna continues to have her own page, which I think is merely because she's a fan favorite. That being said, a good portion of the article is indeed mainly superficial information that needs paring. Therefore, you'll get no argument from me if the merge goes through. sixty nine  • spill it •  06:58, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Comment / Question - Should we not have (or quickly develop, if not) some sort of agreeable notability criteria for deciding if HP characters "deserve" articles on their own merit, as opposed to characters being en-forcibly merged into (for example) a group article or a book article (along with with appropriate redirects for convenience of all users)? Perhaps we need to come to consensus on a set of "rules" that clearly state how a character must demonstrate a "significant presence" or "active role" in at least the majority of the seven books. This presumably would provide a level field for a fair debate on whether a character meets the threshold of "significant presence" or "active role", since it is relatively easy to filter for their appearances or not in "the majority of books". Having a relatively firm agreed-to consensus requirement should eliminate the problem of ongoing merger wars that seem to continue come around every few months. Or perhaps we already have one in the HP Project archives, and it has been forgotten or ignored? For the record, I don't know off-hand if Luna would qualify for her own article or not under a rational set of criteria, so I am neutral for now. --T-dot ( Talk/ contribs ) 18:18, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The thing here is that no matter how important a fictional character is within a story, for encyclopedic purposes it should have significant popular culture impact, coverage by reliable secondary sources (not characters' guides and lists), and all those requirements established by Wikipedia. Appearances in books are not that relevant without this stuff, take McGonagall as an example, who appeared in all books with strong presence, or Sirius Black, the eponymus "Prisoner of Azkaban"; these two are examples of characters already merged (and there was no problem when merging them). Taking into consideration the Wiki guidelines that Luna's article has failed to meet, and even comparing the character's role with other characters (again, McGonagall or Sirius have much more relevance within the story than Luna), it is evident that Luna does not qualify for her own article. -- LoЯd  ۞pεth  18:48, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * OK - so just exactly how does merging deleting Luna's article and redirecting info-searchers to a "merged" Dumbledore's Army article (and also any other generic HP characters related page) satisfy the stated requirements for "significant popular culture impact" and "coverage by reliable secondary sources (not characters' guides and lists), and all the other requirements established by Wikipedia"? Shouldn't Dumbledore's Army also be merged deleted and redirected to Harry Potter? I understand the policies and guidelines (and the differences) very well, thank you.  What is perhaps most alarming is the ongoing trend towards strong-armed information "deletionism", backed by various user's interpretations of the policies and guidelines.  I also know a lot of folks spent a lot of time and energy creating and contributing towards HP related articles to the Wikipedia, and these are being systematically deleted, redirected, merged, and generally eliminated, and the participating contributors are being silenced or run off the site in shame under the policies and guidelines hammer.  Is it in fact the long term goal here really to essentially eliminate all HP pages except for the one core base one, on the grounds that all such articles have no "cultural impact" or "reliable secondary sourcing" outside of the HP universe itself?  It can certainly be argued that way - at least it appears to be so.  After all - it is just a bunch of books about an imaginary universe, and nobody will ever provide significant reliable second sourcing for their theoretical lasting importance on society.  It is an inherent impossibility.  So - shouldn't everything HP-related then be redirected to Harry Potter, and then politely refer folks who want more details on certain specific characters and aspects of the HP universe to a more appropriate and perhaps "friendly" web site (perhaps an HP-Wiki?) that has no such information restrictions?  Just wondering where we are really going with this.  What is the end game?  Again, I am just theorizing here, trying to capture the mood of the consensus - not pushing or !voting one side or the other.  I understand both sides of this issue.  --T-dot ( Talk/ contribs ) 22:32, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

 * I understand your point, but, in the other hand, Wikipedia shall not be a detailed guide on every aspect of Harry Potter or any other fictional universe, especially if each individual element has not proven notability, and is written in an primarily in-universe style. Of course the intention is not and will never be to merge everything into the Harry Potter article in the end. However, as an encyclopedia, Wikipedia must work with encyclopedic content, not with overdetailed scenes and descriptions. If you take a look at Voldemort' or Snape's articles you will see what is expected from an individual article to be encyclopedic enough. -- LoЯd  ۞pεth  00:28, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

 * Fair enough. I am simply trying to understand your criteria for keep / no-keep, and your action-plan and process.  So ... can I assume we have already assembled an agreed-to and organized list (perhaps in a consensus discussion held at the HP Project?) of overly-detailed non-notable in-universe HP-related articles that need to be immediately merged away, in the least painful way, with a demonstrated and conclusive consensus?  Or are we randomly going around picking on arbitrarily-targeted articles one-at-a-time for maximizing pain and anguish (which is how it seems to be)?  It seems to me this could be decided and done en-masse in one single event, rather than dragging it out for weeks or months.  What else could be the purpose of the HP Project than to clean up the "riff-raff" as quickly as possible, and be "best-in-class"?  --T-dot ( Talk/ contribs ) 02:47, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Final note - please remember ... "But Wikipedia is more than a website. We share a common cause: Imagine a world in which every single person on the planet is given free access to the sum of all human knowledge. That's our commitment."(Jimbo) --T-dot ( Talk/ contribs ) 16:37, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

It has been more than two weeks that the proposal was made, and more than a week since the last comment. Only one user voted against the merge and 3 provided arguments in favor which means it is 75% merge 25% oppose. The last time a proposal was made votes also favored the merge, but it was 8 vs 7 (around 55% vs 45%). This time it is clear that the result is to merge, which is supported by the fact that, since the proposal, there has been only one small addition. The article remained without the addition of any real world content and it is entirely plot synopsis written in in-universe style and being extremely overdetailed. Given this, the merge is being performed. -- LoЯd  ۞pεth  01:15, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * This discussion needs to go at least a month before such a major merge is performed. Two weeks is not adequate.  Wait another two weeks and if there is no change is the discussion status, perform the merge and I will have no issue with it.--Oakshade (talk) 03:29, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Oppose merge as I believe she is specifically individually notable as per Oakshade. rkmlai (talk) 05:44, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Being part of a character guide in which also Padma Patil or Trevor the Toad are mentioned establish no notability at all. Look at Dumbledore's, Voldemort's or Snape's articles and you would see what is expected to be in an article to establish notability. Furthermore, notability is not the only issue addressed in the nomination. -- LoЯd  ۞pεth  19:29, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Support Merge As a supporting character, there isn't really a whole lot to say about Luna. Does Luna meet Wikipedia's notability guideline? Sure, otherwise we'd be talking about deletion rather than merging. But just because we can have an article about something doesn't mean we should. The information on Luna would be better presented in the Dumbledore's Army article, along with comparable characters. faithless   (speak)  01:58, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Per Oakshade's request, the time for discussion was extended a month, which finishes today. Oakshade told me that, while he disagrees with the merger itself, he respects current consensus. Thus, Luna is merged into this article. -- LoЯd  ۞pεth  19:43, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

I Believe Luna should have her own Profile because she is for one a very notable character within the Harry Potter series and the description about her now in the Dumbledore's Army is very short and doesn't really give as much information about her as it should. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aaronbane (talk • contribs) 05:52, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Ginny Weasley
I think that the section on ginny weasley should be moved to its own page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by What do i want to... (talk • contribs) 10:53, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose It already has it's own page. Airplaneman  talk 21:58, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes it does have it's own page. This bring up the question of why a wiki search for Ginny Weasley brings me HERE and not to the Ginny Weasley main page. . . --Redwulf25 ci (talk) 01:18, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

...I don't ee that she has her own page; did we move her back? --Glimmer721 (talk) 17:53, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Someone needs to move the Ginny Weasley section to its own page, same with Neville's, Luna's, and Cho's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.109.105.76 (talk) 03:20, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

 * No. Someone doesn't. Just because she is a character in the HP series doesn't mean she should have her own page.  Off to harry potter wiki if you want to be on a fan page. Ccrashh (talk) 18:06, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Cho Chang
Why add Chinese characters to this character's name? She's created by a British author who presumably has no knowledge of Chinese. Whatever the Chinese translator cooked up for their translation doesn't matter and is irrelevant. DHN (talk) 04:34, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

According to MuggleNet, "chou chang" means "melancholy." This fits her character really well, especially in OotP. Mention anywhere in the article? --Glimmer721 (talk) 17:51, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

 * Furthermore, is the name she uses Mandarin or Cantonese-based? Or some other Chinese language (Wu, Min, Hakka,...)?--Solomonfromfinland (talk) 08:46, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Roger Davies
Roger Davies redirects to this page even though he is not mentioned anywhere in the article. Additionally, he was never part of Dumbledore's Army. Wingardium Leviosa (talk) 20:20, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Doesn't anymore. --Glimmer721 (talk) 17:54, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The redirect has now been deleted per WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 25. Jay  💬 14:10, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Suggested replacement image
Exact same image, much higher resolution. Unfortunately I don't know how to upload images so if anyone could do it for me that would be great :) Image location: http://www.hp-lexicon.org/images/film/op/DA.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by Applenerd96 (talk • contribs) 12:14, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

 * Thank you, I will upload it. -- Glimmer721  talk  22:29, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Deathly Hallows
I realise most of the articles below were posted in 2007 but it is now 2011 so I would like some opinion in The Deathly Hallows Part 1. It's really good but I think they missed out a part, Harry was supposed to tell Ron "I love Hermione as a friend, I thought you knew that" in their fight. Why didn't it say that?!?! I realise Dobby's death was a main part in the book but why, why, why?!?! I love Dobby to pieces and they had to go and kill him didn't they. I despise Belatrix more than anything else in the world. Stupid Mrs. Malfoy's sister.

--BCherri28 (talk) 21:50, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

 * this is a page about the DA, not any specific charicter. if you want to discuss the details of sepcific charicters or a charicter not in the DA you can go to their specific artivles or the harry potter wiki but here its not really relatevant thanks. 122.150.144.214 (talk) 13:40, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Snape
We all know that Snape was on the side of the Army, but every mention of him in the article makes it look like he was on the Death Eaters' side. So what can we do about that? jc iindyysgvxc  (my contributions) 23:27, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow, now that you mention it, a lot of the references to year 7 do sound like they were written by someone who's not a big fan of Snape. I would suggest that you be bold and go through and change what you think is biased wording. I don't have time to do it myself, but I think rephrasing references to "Snape's reign/regime as headmaster" would probably not go amiss; additionally, that reference to the Carrows as "Snape's deputies" is completely uncalled for and nonsensical since he was actually working behind the scenes to ameliorate their actions.
 * So yeah, please rephrase as you see fit. If you don't do it, I'll probably eventually go in and do it myself but I don't have time right now. Princess Lirin (talk) 06:12, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

"Impact in the real world"
Not really related either to the book or even any impact in the real world. Removing. --CAVincent (talk) 04:05, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

 * Generally impact in the real world sections have little to do with the books, they are based on parodies, criticism, influence, etc. In this case, the goal of the D.A. inspired the actor to do a protest group in a similar fashion. Also, that section is the only real-world content in the article and proves notability of the subject, thus it shall not be removed. -- LoЯd  ۞pεth  21:51, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

 * I have no objections to the original comments about the "real world" DA being (re)inserted into the article. It does seem to have gained some minor notability, and is obviously named after the Harry Potter DA, but I do take umbrage to the extra comments that I removed here which I feel are not necessary to the article - Slack's intentions to "highlight the crisis in Sudan... etc" are enough.  The rest is just excessive.
 * I also take issue with editors who use statements such as "shall not be removed" and "must remain" - which are basically demands or commands - normally I would take an opposing stance simply on the grounds of the defending editors attitude, however this time round I agree with the inclusion, but not the way it's being argued.  a_man_alone (talk) 08:07, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

bamf
Neville "BAMF" Longbottom Not to spoil anyone's fun but meme references don't have a place here. 66.252.163.188 (talk) 00:53, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

 * Yeah - I'm not sure why Neville is a primary target for vandalism. But hey, anythign goes on the internet I guess.
 * Just keep removing it.  a_man_alone (talk) 07:03, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Reversing the lede
It seems to me that the primary purpose of the DA was to learn Defence Against the Dark Arts, because Umbridge refused to teach it. It was only secondary that they were secret and standing up to Umbridge's regime. Therefore I propose to reverse the two sentences in the lede to reflect their primary purpose. Elizium23 (talk) 23:35, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Edits
I changed the subsection title “Ginny Weasley” to “Ginevra Weasley” in hopes that it would get rid of the redirect of “Ginny Weasley” to said subsection. When that was unsuccessful, I reverted the edit. This was so that I could then create a separate article on Ginny. I really want Ginny to have her own page in Wikipedia, as many others have asked for. I know Wikipedia is not a fanpage, but is inexcusable that of the following languages - Dutch, English, Estonian, Finnish, Icelandic, and Swedish - English Wikipedia should have the fewest individual Harry Potter characters with their own pages (lists of characters, such as Order of the Phoenix, don't count); only 8 in English, but 11 in Icelandic, about 70 in Estonian,.... It is also inexcusable that there should be only 8 individual HP characters with their own pages, but 9 for Animal Farm, 42 for Buffy the Vampire Slayer, 10 for Hamlet, 17 for Midsummer Night's Dream 10 for Romeo and Juliet, and 9 for Twelfth Night (the Shakespeares are each less than half the length of Sorcerer's Stone, making the existence of large numbers of pages on individual characters harder to justify; and Twelfth Night is not nearly as influential as the other Shakespeares I just mentioned). (Not that I dislike Shakespeare; I am actually a big fan of him.)

How do I get rid of the the redirect of “Ginny Weasley” to “Dumbledore's Army” so that I can launch a separate article on her? I have already constructed much of such an article.--Solomonfromfinland (talk) 09:41, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Do not do that, as it will be deleted. The article on Ginny Weasley has already been merged into this page twice.  See past discussions on Talk:Ginny Weasley Mezigue (talk) 12:11, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Infobox
The infobox currently claims that the leader of the DA is 'room of requirement' and that the location is Harry, Neville, Ginny, and Luna. They are the correct way round in the source though, and I can't work out why they're not like that on the actual article (It's wrong in both FF22 and IE10). I've played around with the infobox and the only way I can get them to appear correctly in the article is to put them the wrong way round in the source, I'm therefore going to switch them round as a temporary fix, but could someone else have a play with it and work out why it isn't displaying properly. Will Bradshaw (talk) 09:30, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * . Edenc1 • Talk 13:01, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Fred and George
Where does it states that Fred's full name is Fred Gideon Weasley and George's George Fabian Weasley? Nowhere in the books states that. 1.64.143.167 (talk) 10:25, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * . Edenc1 • Talk 23:41, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

About this page's article titles
I'm user of ja.wikipedia, so I can't speak English well. So I say requirements only. This page's article titles is Dumbledore's Army now, but the article titles doesn't include other students of Hogwarts. So I think it should be Moving the page to "Hogwarts student". --ミランブラジル (talk) 09:19, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The article is only for characters in the series who were members of Dumbledore's Army. I think what you're after can be found in the following pages:

 * List of Harry Potter characters
 * and
 * List of supporting Harry Potter characters
 * Hope that helps. Chaheel Riens (talk) 09:25, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

" [b] it of a nasty shock"
This seems to have stirred up some opinions, so rather than flip-flopping, let's discuss it.

I believe that as we are changing a full sentence - albeit a broken one - to a part of a sentence and yet also using a direct quote, we should show the change - from upper to lower case. What should this not be done? Chaheel Riens (talk) 16:26, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

 * WP:SIC states that square brackets should only be used when wording is changed. Changing a capital letter should be done without comment as it is not textually important. I'd say that the brackets, in this case, are unnecessary and make the sentence unsightly. Thanks —  Quasar G  t - c 19:32, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * It also says "Quotations must be verifiably attributed, and the wording of the quoted text should be faithfully reproduced" - we are not faithfully reproducing the text. Nor are we correcting errors of any kind. We're changing the wording from being capitalised to non-capitalised.
 * I'll grant you that it doesn't specifically cover the issue here, and that it's open to intepretation - you are intepreting it one way, and I the other. Chaheel Riens (talk) 20:32, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

 * "Faithfully reproducing" in this context means keeping the wording and the meaning the same. Since we arent changing either of these things (capitalisation does not count as wording), the square brackets aren't required.

 * This may seem a bit petty: it is such a small issue after all, but I didn't expect there to be any opposition to this change. Thanks for discussing it civilly, however.  Quasar G  t - c 20:50, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

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Separate page for Ginny Weasley
I think a strong case exists to have a separate and independent page for Ginny Weasley. She is not "just another character" within Dumbledore's Army like say, Padma Patil, Seamus Finnigan, or Susan Bones. She is Harry's wife, part of the main sextet along with Harry, Ron, Hermione, Neville and Luna, part of the "Big Seven" as J.K. Rowling outlined a few years back, as well as being a main character in Cursed Child. Neville and Luna should probably also get separate pages too. Some information on her can be provided here, but there should still be a link to a more detailed page.

Additionally, plenty of other articles in other languages have a separate page for her, below are some examples:

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginny_Weasley https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginny_Weasley https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginny_Wemel https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%87%91%E5%A6%AE%C2%B7%E8%A1%9B%E6%96%AF%E7%90%86 https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginny_Weasley https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginevra_Molly_Weasley

GinnyFan (talk) 23:21, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * As comes up a lot during these kinds of discussion, that is all true in-universe. but notability for fictional elements requires significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Most sources I can find cover her primarily as the wife of Harry Potter or Ron's sister. These issues make it difficult to make a well-sourced article based in the real-world (as Wikipedia requires when Writing about fiction). Even Harry Potter (character) ran into this problem, and was de-listed as a good article. menaechmi (talk) 23:43, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

 * There was a discussion regarding notability of Harry Potter characters in the real world, and there is little or no deep coverage of neither Ginny nor Neville or Luna, that's why only 8 characters kept individual articles. -- LoЯd  ۞pεth  17:55, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

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Barton W. Stone

Barton Warren Stone (December 24, 1772 – November 9, 1844) was an American evangelist during the early 19th-century Second Great Awakening in the United States. First ordained a Presbyterian minister, he and four other ministers of the Washington Presbytery resigned after arguments about doctrine and enforcement of policy by the Kentucky Synod. This was in 1803, after Stone had helped lead the mammoth Cane Ridge Revival, a several-day communion season attended by nearly 20,000 persons. Stone and the others briefly founded the Springfield Presbytery, which they dissolved the following year, resigning from the Presbyterian Church altogether. They formed what they called the Christian Church, based on scripture rather than a creed representing the opinion of man. He later became allied with Alexander Campbell, a former Presbyterian minister who was also creating an independent path, sometimes allied with Baptists, and formed the Restoration Movement. Stone's followers were first called "New Lights" and "Stoneites". Later he and Campbell brought the groups together that relied solely on the Scriptures.

Several church groups have historical roots in Stone's efforts. The three main groups are the Churches of Christ, the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ), and the independent Christian churches and churches of Christ. Additionally, there are the International Churches of Christ, the International Christian Church, the Churches of Christ in Australia, the Churches of Christ in Europe, and the Evangelical Christian Church in Canada.

Early life and education
Stone was born to John and Mary Warren Stone near Port Tobacco, Maryland on December 24, 1772. His immediate family was upper-middle class, with connections to Maryland's upper class of planters. The first Protestant governor of Maryland, William Stone, was an ancestor; and one of the signers of the United States Declaration of Independence, Thomas Stone, was his second cousin.

Mary Stone was a member of the Church of England and Barton had been christened by a priest named Thomas Thornton. After Barton's father died in 1775, his mother moved the family to Pittsylvania County, Virginia in 1779, then on the frontier. After the move to the Virginia frontier during the war, Mary joined the Methodists. Barton was not himself notably religious as a young man; he found the competing claims of the Episcopalians, Baptists, and Methodists confusing, and was much more interested in politics.

Barton entered the Caldwell Log College, in Greensboro, North Carolina, in 1790. While there, Stone heard James McGready (an evangelical Presbyterian minister) speak. A few years later, he was ordained as a Presbyterian minister.

Career
As Stone looked more deeply into the beliefs of the Presbyterians, especially the Westminster Confession of Faith, he doubted that some of the church beliefs were truly Bible-based. He was unable to accept the Calvinistic doctrines of total depravity, unconditional election and predestination. He also believed that "Calvinism's alleged theological sophistication had . . . been bought at the price of fomenting division" and "blamed it . . . for producing ten different sects within the Presbyterian tradition alone."

The huge Cane Ridge Revival of 1801 was "set up as a traditional Presbyterian 'sacramental occasion'," similar to the one he attended earlier that same year in Logan County which was later called the Revival of 1800. Like its predecessor, Cane Ridge continued for two to three days amid much fervor. Attracting an estimated 20,000 people, Stone was one of eighteen Presbyterian ministers, along with a number of Baptist and Methodist preachers who attended the participants. Traditional elements included the "large number of ministers, the action sermon, the tables, the tent, the successive servings" of communion, all part of the evangelical Presbyterian tradition and "communion season" known in Scotland.

In a disagreement with the Kentucky synod over its determination to censure a minister for what they said was deviation from doctrine of the Westminster Confession of Faith, in 1803 Stone and four other ministers formed the Springfield Presbytery. By 1804 the Springfield Presbytery had attracted 15 congregations in Ohio and Kentucky. The leaders of this newer presbytery became concerned by its growth, because they did not want to create a new denomination or "party". Ultimately convinced that their newer Springfield Presbytery was sectarian, the ministers dissolved it on June 28, 1804.

To publicize the dissolution, they signed a document entitled The Last Will and Testament of the Springfield Presbytery.  This tract willed that "this body die, be dissolved, and sink into union with the Body of Christ at large." It expressed the desire for Christian union and identified the Bible as the only standard of Christian faith and practice. In addition to signing the Last Will and Testament, they agreed to take "no other name than christians" on the basis that it was "the name first given by divine authority to the disciples of Christ." Soon, they adopted the name "Christian" to identify their group. Thus, remnants from the Springfield Presbytery eventually became known as the Christian Church. It is estimated that the Christian Church numbered about 12,000 by 1830.

Elias Smith had heard of the Stone movement by 1804, and the O'Kelly movement by 1808. The three groups "declared themselves one" by 1810. At that time the combined movement had a membership of approximately 20,000. This loose fellowship of churches was called by the names "Christian Connection/Connexion" or "Christian Church."

In 1819 Stone moved with his family to Georgetown, Kentucky, where he had been hired as principal of the Rittenhouse academy, which became Georgetown College in 1829. In 1834 the Stones moved to Jacksonville, Illinois, in part to be able to free slaves whom his wife had inherited. This was not possible in Kentucky because they were attached to the estate. His mother-in-law's will bequeathed the slaves to his wife and her children in perpetuity in a way that placed them under the control of trustees. Moving to a free state allowed the Stones to emancipate them. Stone was a proponent of abolition and an active supporter of the American Colonization Society, which promoted sending free blacks to a colony in Africa (this was the basis of Liberia). By 1833 Stone had become disillusioned by the lack of success of the colonization efforts and began to support the immediate abolition of slavery.

The "Christian" movement associated with Stone merged with the "Disciples" movement led by Alexander Campbell in 1832. This was formalized at the High Street Meeting House in Lexington, Kentucky with a handshake between Barton W. Stone and "Raccoon" John Smith. Smith had been chosen, by those present, to speak in behalf of the followers of the Campbells. A preliminary meeting of the two groups was held in late December 1831, culminating with the merger on January 1, 1832. Campbell had been publishing the Christian Baptist since 1823, and Stone the Christian Messenger since 1826. Through these publications, they had begun bringing their followers closer together in uniting under Christ.

When the Christians and Disciples united in 1832, only a minority of Christians from the Smith/Jones and O'Kelly movements participated. Those who did were from congregations on the frontier, west of the Appalachian Mountains, that had come into contact with the Stone movement. The eastern members had several key differences from the Stone and Campbell group: an emphasis on conversion experience, quarterly observance of communion, and nontrinitarianism. Stone died on November 9, 1844, in Hannibal, Missouri at the home of his daughter. His body was buried on his farm in Morgan County, Illinois. When the farm was sold, descendants had his remains reinterred at Antioch Christian Church east of Jacksonville. In 1847 his remains were moved again and reinterred at Cane Ridge, Kentucky.

A marble obelisk there is inscribed: "The church of Christ at Cane Ridge and other generous friends in Kentucky have caused this monument to be erected as a tribute of affection and gratitude to Barton W. Stone, minister of the gospel of Christ and the distinguished reformer of the nineteenth century. Born December 24, 1772: died November 9, 1844. His remains lie here. This monument erected in 1847."

Theological controversy
Stone was ordained Presbyterian but rejected many things from the Westminster Confession of Faith. In particular he had issues with the classical view of the Trinity. He denied being Unitarian, Arian or Socinian but he did have a subordinationist view of Christ. In addition to his issues with the Trinity, he also took issue with the prevailing understanding of Christian Atonement. He did not believe that Jesus died in man's place as substitutionary sacrifice; his views are more in line with the "moral influence theory" of Charles Finney.

Stone outlined his views on the Trinity in a publication called An Address to the Christian Churches in Kentucky, Tennessee & Ohio on Several Important Doctrines of Religion.

"The doctrine of Trinity has long been a subject of endless controversy among theologists. I have thought the contest a war of words, while the combatants believed the same thing; seeing they all maintain the divine unity. On this doctrine many things are said, which are dark, unintelligible, unscriptural, and too mysterious for comprehension. Many of these expressions we have rejected; and for this reason we are charged with denying the doctrine itself. I shall state the doctrine, as generally stated and defended by our brethren, who oppose us, and give my reasons why I cannot receive it.

It is commonly stated, that there are three persons in one God, of one substance, power and eternity. To me it is evident that they, who maintain this proposition, do not—cannot believe, that these three persons are three distinct spirits, beings or Gods, each possessed of the personal properties of intelligence, will and power; for this would not only contradict the scriptures, but also those sections of their creeds just quoted, which declare that there is but one only living and true God, without parts. They must understand the term persons in God, not in the proper and common sense of the word person; but in such a qualified sense as to exclude the notion of three distinct spirits or beings. What this qualified sense should be, has long puzzled divines; and in no proposition are they more divided. The cause of this perplexity is obvious, because no idea of it is to be found in revelation, nor reason. Revelation no where declares that there are three persons of the same substance in the one only God; and it is universally acknowledged to be above reason.—Imagination has been set afloat, taking different courses in different men, and wandering through the unknown fields of eternity, infinity and incomprehensibility. Their labors have been great; but after all their vast excursions, they have ended in mystery. ...

The doctrine, that there are three persons in one God, is principally founded on I John 5, 7. 'There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one.' From reading the context, it is plain, that the matter testified of, is that Jesus is the son of God. The Father testified this, when he spake from heaven, 'This is my beloved Son, hear ye him.' The Word or Son, testified the same by the many wonders he performed when incarnate. This also the Holy Ghost witnessed by the many miracles wrought thro' the apostles. These three are one. They are one, or agree in their testimony; as, in the next verse, the three witnesses on earth agree in one. To say these three are one God, would contradict the original; for the word hen, translated one, is in the neuter gender, and cannot agree with the word God. ... Now as all believers are not one substance nor one being; and as they are all one, even as the Father and Son are one; we must then conclude, that the Father and Son are not one substance, nor one being. This is farther evident from John 10, 30, 'I and my Father are (hen) one,' says Jesus. Yet in the same Evangelist he said, 'My Father is greater than I.' John 14, 28. If they were one substance, or one being, there could be no comparison; as one cannot be greater or less than itself. The fact is, all believers are one in spirit, purpose, and mind—and this is the oneness which our Lord prayed they might have--this was the oneness of Paul and Apollos.—This appears to me to be the oneness of the Father and the Son.

... That the scriptures speak of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, is believed and admitted by christians of every name; and that these three are one in some sense, I think, none will deny. My view of this oneness I have expressed a few pages back. If they are one in any other sense, I shall rejoice to know it."

Charles Chilton Moore
Stone's grandson, Charles Chilton Moore, initially became a preacher in the tradition of his father and grandfather, but he later became one of America's most famous atheists and founded the Blue Grass Blade, a newspaper which he used to promote atheism and criticise religion.

Legacy and honors

 * In 1847, a monument was erected in Stone's honor at his gravesite in Cane Ridge, Kentucky
 * Barton College (formerly Atlantic Christian College) in Wilson, North Carolina was named in his honor.

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Cayambe Canton

Cayambe is a canton in the northeast of the province of Pichincha, in northern Ecuador, South America. The canton is named after the Cayambe, a 5,800-meter-high snow-covered stratovolcano in the east of the canton. The main part of the canton occupies the eastern portion of the Pisque river basin and is surrounded by volcanoes.

The seat of the canton, also named after the volcano, is Cayambe. The economy of the canton is agricultural, based on raising cattle and producing dairy products and growing flowers for export in greenhouses, and also cereals for local consumption. The Swiss food company Nestlé and the Cayambean company Miraflores have dairy-product factories in the city of Cayambe.

The Pambamarca Fortress Complex, several pre-Columbian pucaras (hilltop forts), is located in Cayambe Canton on the slopes of Pambamarca volcano. Here, the Cayambe people defended their territory from the Inca Empire in a war that took place in the late 15th and early 16th century.

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Dina Farinango was born in Cangahua in Cayambe, in 1993 and went on to be member of the National Assembly.

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The Trews

The Trews are a Canadian rock band from Antigonish, Nova Scotia, consisting of vocalist Colin MacDonald, guitarist John-Angus MacDonald, bassist Jack Syperek, and drummer Chris Gormley. The band is currently based in Hamilton, Ontario. From their formation in 1997 to 2016, The Trews were among the top 150 best-selling Canadian artists in Canada and among the top 40 best-selling Canadian bands in Canada.

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The band started their career with the name One I'd Trouser, a line taken from a song in Monty Python's The Meaning of Life. They changed their name to Trouser and eventually changed their name to The Trews. They released an EP as One I'd Trouser, and a second EP under the name The Trews.

In the early summer of 2002 the band entered Rocksearch, a high-profile contest that is held annually by CHTZ-FM, a St. Catharines rock radio station. Winning the contest would prove to be their big break as they soon landed a recording contract with Bumstead Productions.

The release of their first full-length CD House of Ill Fame followed in 2003. Produced by Big Sugar's Gordie Johnson, the album contained the singles "Every Inambition", "Not Ready to Go", "Tired of Waiting", "Fleeting Trust" and "Confessions". "Not Ready to Go" hit number one on Canadian rock radio and was the most played song of 2004 in that format. The band was nominated as New Group of the Year at the 2004 Juno Awards and "Not Ready to Go" was nominated as Single of the Year in 2005. House Of Ill Fame has been certified platinum in Canada. It was re-released with a bonus live album called The Live Cut which featured live versions of songs taken from the album.

The song "Hollis and Morris" on their first album, refers to an intersection in the city of Halifax and not an intersection in Antigonish as previously speculated. The band has mentioned during concerts and in interviews that the corner of Hollis and Morris is notorious for prostitution.

The band released a follow-up to House of Ill Fame on August 16, 2005. The album, Den of Thieves, was produced by legendary producer Jack Douglas (Aerosmith, Cheap Trick, John Lennon, New York Dolls). The first single, "So She's Leaving", was released to radio June 28, 2005 and was followed by the singles "Yearning", which was their second single to reach number 1, "Poor Ol' Broken Hearted Me", and "I Can't Say". In the summer of 2005 the band was invited to share the stage with the Rolling Stones at the Phoenix Concert Theatre in Toronto as part of the Stones' Bigger Bang Tour. In fall of the same year they were invited to open for Led Zeppelin singer Robert Plant on his cross-Canada arena tour. Den of Thieves was certified Canadian Gold in April 2006. The album was released 18 April 2006 in the United States on Red Ink and Sony BMG.

The Trews were nominated in the Best New Band category in Classic Rock magazine's 2007 Classic Rock Roll of Honour Awards. Issue #104 of the magazine (the April 2007 edition) also included a four-track promotional EP entitled Out of the Past, Into the Dark.

The Trews' third album, No Time for Later, was released in February 2008. The first single, "Hold Me in Your Arms", was made available on 25 November 2007. It premiered at the 2007 Grey Cup pre-game show and was immediately released on iTunes; the video for the song eventually went to number one on MuchMusic for a week in April 2008. In early 2009, "Hold Me in Your Arms" won in The 8th Annual Independent Music Awards (US) for Best Hard Rock/Metal Song. A bonus song called "Long Way from Freedom" was included with the single but was not released on the album. "Hold Me in Your Arms" went on to spend 22 weeks in the top ten at rock radio in Canada and in May 2010 was certified Canadian gold the commemorate the sales of over 20,000 digital downloads. In early February 2008, the band added keyboardist Jeff Heisholt to their live lineup. The second single from No Time for Later was "Paranoid Freak", the video for which was released in May and went straight into rotation on MuchMusic. The third single, a ballad called "Man Of Two Minds", was released September 8, 2008 and the video reached number one on MuchMusic sister station MuchMoreMusic. The fourth single, "Can't Stop Laughing", was sent to radio in January 2009 with a video that followed in April and became the band's tenth single to enter the top ten at Canadian rock radio. The band was nominated for two Juno Awards in 2009, Album of the Year (for No Time for Later) and Group of the Year.

No Time for Later was released in the United States on April 7, 2009, on Merovingian Music. The first single "Paranoid Freak" was sent to radio a few weeks prior to its release and was added in heavy rotation at Sirius Satellite Radio's Alt. Nation. The second single in the US was "Hold Me In Your Arms" and garnered significant play at Active Rock.

Their second live album, Acoustic - Friends & Total Strangers, released Oct. 6, 2009, was an acoustic session recorded over two nights at Toronto's Glenn Gould Studio in January 2009 for a live audience. It was released without any edits or overdubs and was produced by the band's guitarist John Angus MacDonald. There is also a 23-song DVD of the same name available which captures the second nights performance in its entirety as well as candid interviews with the band. The release earned the band their fifth Juno nomination for DVD of the year in 2010. The album's only single, "Sing Your Heart Out", a new song written specifically for the performances, won Best AAA/Alternative Song at the 2010 International Acoustic Music Awards (US).

Following Acoustic - Friends & Total Strangers the band released the single "Highway Of Heroes". It was inspired by the 2006 death of Capt. Nichola Goddard, the first Canadian female soldier killed in Afghanistan and a schoolmate of members of the Trews. It refers to the stretch of Highway 401 in Ontario, between CFB Trenton and downtown Toronto, where hundreds gather on bridges and overpasses to mourn soldiers killed in Afghanistan while the bodies of the fallen soldiers are transported from Trenton to the coroner's office in downtown Toronto. The song was made available on iTunes in Canada only, with all proceeds from the sales of the song going to the Canadian Hero Fund, a charity that provides academic scholarships to the spouses and children of soldiers killed in combat. In October 2014 "Highway of Heroes" was certified Gold in Canada for sales of over 40,000 digital downloads.

In November 2010, the band performed the Canadian National anthem at the 98th Grey Cup in Edmonton.

The band's fourth studio album, Hope & Ruin was released on April 12, 2011. The album was co-produced by John-Angus MacDonald and the Tragically Hip's Gord Sinclair and was recorded at the Hip's own Bathouse Studio in Bath, Ontario. The album was mixed by Canadian engineer/mixer Mike Fraser (AC/DC, Franz Ferdinand, Aerosmith, Mother Mother). The first single "Hope and Ruin" entered the top ten at Canadian rock radio within 3 weeks of its release. The video for Hope and Ruin received significant play on MuchMoreMusic. The second single and video from the album, "The World, I Know", received significant play and is the 12th single to enter the top 10 at rock radio in Canada. The third single from Hope and Ruin was "Misery Loves Company" which climbed to No. 6 on the rock charts making it the band's 13th top ten rock single. Hope & Ruin was released in Australia with first single "Hope & Ruin" receiving heavy airplay on Australian rock radio chain triple M; the band toured the continent three times during the album cycle. Hope & Ruin was also released in the United Kingdom, with "The World, I Know" acknowledged in the Top Songs of 2011 by Classic Rock Magazine. The band toured the UK and the USA heavily during this time. In August 2012 the band supported Bruce Springsteen at Magnetic Hill outside of Moncton, New Brunswick. They were invited by Bruce to join him in his encore for a 10-minute rendition of "Twist and Shout".

On November 6, 2012, the band issued a 7-song EP entitled ...Thank You and I'm Sorry. Co-produced by John-Angus MacDonald and Gordie Johnson, the EP features guest appearances by The Black Crowes' Rich Robinson as well as ex-Black Crowes Eddie Harsch. Ian McLagan of Small Faces and the Faces also makes an appearance. The EP's first single "The Power of Positive Drinking" received extensive airplay across Canada reaching number 1 on the CBC rock chart the week of December 7, 2012.

In April 2014 the band released its 5th full-length studio album eponymously titled The Trews. It was the band's highest charting debut to date reaching No. 1 on the Rock, Alternative and Independent Album Charts and #3 on the overall chart in Canada. The album's first single "What's Fair is Fair" reached No. 2 on the Canadian Active Rock radio chart and its video received heavy play on MUCH, MUCHMORE and MUCH LOUD. The album's second and third singles "Rise in the Wake" & "New King" also reached the top ten at Canadian Rock Radio bringing the total to 16 top ten Active Rock hits. In the August 2014 edition of the UK's Classic Rock Magazine (issue #201), 90,000 copies of "The Trews" were distributed free with the magazine; the issue featured Slash on its cover. In September 2014 the band took part in the first ever CapeFest in Sydney, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia along with Slash and Aerosmith.

In September 2016 the band released "Time Capsule", a 20-song album that included 16 of their greatest hits as well as 4 brand new recordings. The album's first single "Beautiful & Tragic" peaked in the top 5 on Canadian Rock Radio and became the band's 17th top ten rock radio single of their career. In support of the album they launched a Canadian tour in the fall of 2016 and joined Weezer on tour in the spring of 2017.

On March 16, 2018, the band released "the New US" to radio as the first single from their forthcoming album. The song stirred up some controversy with its political lyrics that took aim at the madness of Trump's America. A second radio single, "Vintage Love", was released on June 22 and became the band's 18th single to chart top ten at active rock radio in Canada. A bonus track from the album entitled "Bar Star" was also released on July 29. The album, entitled 'Civilianaires', was released on September 14, 2018, to great critical and commercial success. It debuted number 1 on the Alternative Album charts in Canada, number 3 on the Digital Current chart and number 6 over all on the Current Album Chart. The band announced that they would be supporting the album with tours in the states in the fall of 2018 and Canada in early 2019. 'Civilianaires' was nominated Rock Album of the Year at the 2019 Juno awards. This was the band's sixth Juno nomination to date.

In September 2019, with no announcements or fanfare, the Trews released “Touch”, a song they had recorded earlier that spring with 'Civilianaires' producer Derek Hoffman. The video was shot in one day and was directed by John-Angus MacDonald; it's a single-shot from beginning to end, only their second video to be shot in this format. The second song from that session, “God Speed Rebel”, was released in April 2020 during the global COVID-19 pandemic. The band recorded the video using Zoom video chatting technology, one of the first groups to do so, and all proceeds from the song, including views on YouTube and streams on Spotify and Apple Music, go to the Unison Benevolent fund, a Canadian arts charity that supports musicians and those in the music industry in times of emergency. The band also canvassed for videos from their fans of them lip-syncing along with the song, and created another version of the video that was released with the title “Stay Home Rebel”.

In April 2021, the Trews released the single "I Wanna Play," a song inspired partly by the COVID-19 pandemic. The music video featured an appearance by photographer and musician Bob Lanois and was filmed shortly before his sudden death.

Dalton's departure
On 14 July 2015, drummer Sean Dalton stepped down from the band sending this message to fans via email:

"To all the hard core Trewbadours out there: Well what can I say folks its been an amazing run. The years playing with the Trews have been best years of my life. Countless hours in the jam space and playing thousands of live shows all over the world have shaped me as a musician, and playing with such great guys has made me a better human being. I will miss it very much.

Due to unforeseen circumstances, I've decided to step down from the drum throne. Nothing weird goin' on here folks...just time to do what's best for me and the family. I wish the Trews nothing but the best, and was so fortunate to play with the best friggin' band in the country. I'll be hanging with you all in the crowd at the next show."

Gavin Maguire took over as the band's drummer. In March 2018, Chris Gormley replaced Gavin Maguire as the band's drummer.

Current

 * Colin MacDonald - rhythm guitar, lead vocals (1996–present)
 * John-Angus MacDonald - lead guitar, backing vocals (1996–present)
 * Jack Syperek - bass guitar, backing vocals (1996–present)
 * Chris Gormley - drums (May 13, 2018 – present)

Touring

 * Jeff Heisholt - keyboards, backing vocals (2008–present)

Past

 * Rose Murphy - drums (1996)
 * Ramsey Clark - drums (1997-2001)
 * Sean Dalton - drums, backing vocals (2001-2015)
 * Gavin Maguire - drums (2015-2018)

Juno Awards

 * 2004: New Group of the Year – Nominated
 * 2005: Single of the Year ("Not Ready to Go") – Nominated
 * 2009: Group of the Year – Nominated
 * 2009: Rock Album of the Year (No Time for Later) – Nominated
 * 2010: DVD of the Year "Acoustic: Friends and Total Strangers" – Nominated
 * 2019: Rock Album of the Year (Civilianaires) - Nominated

East Coast Music Awards (ECMA)

 * 2005: Group of the Year – Won
 * 2006: Video of the Year (So She's Leaving – Director: Stephen Scott) – Won
 * 2011: DVD of the Year (The Trews Acoustic – Friends & Total Strangers – Director: Tim Martin) – Won
 * 2011: Fan's Choice Video of the Year (Highway of Heroes – Director: Tim Martin) – Won
 * 2012: Fan's Choice Entertainer Of The Year - Nominated
 * 2012: Fan's Choice Video Of The Year ("Hope & Ruin") - Nominated
 * 2012: Group Recording Of The Year ("Hope & Ruin") - Nominated
 * 2012: Song Of The Year ("Hope & Ruin") - Nominated
 * 2012: Rock Recording Of The Year ("Hope & Ruin") - Won
 * 2013: Fan's Choice Entertainer Of The Year - Nominated
 * 2014: Fan's Choice Entertainer Of The Year - Nominated
 * 2014: Group Recording Of The Year ("...Thank You & I'm Sorry") - Nominated
 * 2014: Rock Recording Of The Year ("...Thank You & I'm Sorry") - Won
 * 2015: Group Recording Of The Year ("The Trews") - Nominated
 * 2015: Rock Recording Of The Year ("The Trews") - Won
 * 2015: Fan's Choice Entertainer Of The Year - Nominated
 * 2015: Fan's Choice Video Of The Year (What's Fair is Fair -Director: Drew Lightfoot) - Nominated

Independent Music Awards (US)

 * 2008: Best Hard Rock Song ("Hold Me in Your Arms") – Won
 * 2009: Vox Pop best Concert Photo taken by Nancy Desrosiers
 * 2010: Best AAA/Alternative Song International Acoustic Music Awards (US) "Sing Your Heart Out" - Won
 * 2012: Rock Artists / Group Or Duo Of The Year - Nominated

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Gauja

The Gauja River (Koiva jõgi, Livländische Aa) is a river in the Vidzeme region of Latvia. It is the only large river of Latvia that begins and ends its flow in Latvia. Its length is 460 km, of which 93.5 km (approximately one-fifth) are in Gauja National Park. In this part, the Gauja River flows through the Gauja Valley, which is between 1 and 2.5 km wide, and the maximum depth near Sigulda is 85 m. Thus, the Gauja is the longest river of Latvia if only the parts of the river in the country's territory are counted. The Daugava has only 367 km in Latvia, whereas the entire length of the river is over 1,000 km.

The sandstone rocks on the banks of the Gauja and its adjoining rivers started forming 370 to 300 million years ago, during the Devonian period.

History
Before the 13th century, the Gauja River used to serve as a trade route and border river between the Livonian and Latgalian lands. In some territories, they used to live mixed together. When Livonian languages were still present along the Gauja River and the sea, it used to be called Koivo (the Birch River; Livonian keùv or Estonian kõiv). In Latvian, the name of the Gauja River used to mean 'a great amount', 'a crowd', and was therefore called the 'big river'. The Livonians suffered greatly during the Great Northern War and suffered a plague in the 18th century. That was the period when the remaining Livonians assimilated with the Latvians.

Today
The Gauja River tends to change its bed rapidly, and has gained the reputation of being deceitful. The bed of the river is made of unconsolidated sand and gravel deposits that move along with the current. In some places, the bed is pebbly, forming boulder rapids: Kazu, Raiskuma, Rakšu, and Ķūķu. The bottom of the river in Gauja National Park is 60 to 120 meters wide with a rapidly changing depth from 0.3 m to 7 m. The decline is 0.5 m/km. The speed of flow during low water is 0.2 to 0.4 m/s, and during the spring water period 2 to 3 m/s. Due to the fluctuations in water level, current speed, and special flow features, the Gauja River may be characterized as a rather non-homogeneous watercourse.

Usually the Gauja River freezes over in mid-December, and the ice starts moving in late March. During warm winters, the river does not freeze over. Much underground water flows into the Gauja River. It therefore has a lower water temperature than other large rivers in Latvia.

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Wikipedia talk:Texan Collaboration of the Year

Maybe we should actually overhaul the main Texas article, first?
Just a thought I had, after looking at it. Shem (talk) 22:09, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC) All set up; disambig's already been made, and I determined that the correct name for the Texas Rangers was indeed the "Texas Ranger Division."
 * It could definitely use it. But I tend to think that maybe we should start small, until we get our sea legs, so we don't bite off more than we can chew at first. · Katefan0(scribble) 22:25, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * took the words right out of my mouth. -JCarriker 22:31, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. So should those of us here just declare the Texas Rangers our first collaboration?  If so, feel free to reflect such in the collaboration's templates (Template:Current Texan COTM, Template:TexanCOTM article, and Template:Texan Collaboration Notice). Shem (talk) 23:58, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Works for me. -JCarriker 05:20, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

Texas Ranger info
Does anyone have information about the one Texas Ranger that broke up the riot in Denton back in the 60s or 70s? I looked through some Texas Ranger links and didn't see anything about it. I think that info should be on this page since they have a "larger than life" image. I remember hearing about it and thinking "wow, one person broke up a whole riot!" Maybe I'm just dreaming the whole thing up? maltmomma 15:41, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * I think that tale is largely embellished -- the Rangers like to say "One Ranger, one riot" because of some incident I think in the late 1800s... I can't recall details off the top of my head, but I think that the Ranger museum has some info on it. This would be a good one for the "Ranger mythos" section, seeing that the legend of the event has grown much larger than the actual event in terms of the Rangers' involvement... · Katefan0(scribble) 16:55, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

Next?
Well, I think maybe we've thrashed around on Texas Ranger Division long enough. No article is ever fully complete, but it looks much better than before I think and the improvements are mostly static for the moment. Shall we switch our attentions to something else? · Katefan0(scribble) 16:40, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
 * I think the Texas article should be next. It currently lacks a lot of information and pictures. The Texas article has too many lists and it clutters up the page. We should add information and move most of the lists away from the main page to their own articles. Let's make it look like the United States article. I like their format, content, and style. UH Collegian 16:59, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I'd like to see the King Ranch or the Treaty Oak expanded. maltmomma 17:24, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
 * I'll go record your votes on the project page. Anybody else reading this, go vote! · Katefan0(scribble) 20:55, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't think we should mess with Texas just yet, I think the row over the college pics proves that reforming that page is going to be a massive undertaking. Other than the main article I'd say that Juneteenth and King Ranch were the most signifigant topics. However, I'm going to be busy over the next few weeks overseeing Hatshepsut's featured nomination, working on East Texas which is the next future FAC on my to do list, and cleaning up Marshall's subpages for when it will be on the main page in early August; so I wouldn't mind seeing a topic like Treaty Oak, which I know little about but find interesting, selected as the main candidate either. -JCarriker 21:07, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
 * Anybody object to setting Aug. 1 as the date on which voting will close? · Katefan0(scribble) 02:42, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * August 1st works for me. Shem(talk) 19:19, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Request for help
Marshall, Texas will be featured on the main page on August 3, this is the oldest Texas related featured article and the first since 1900 Galveston Hurricaine to be feautured on the main page. The Marshall article itself is near perfect- please don't touch; so I'm requesting assistance in making the the Marshall related articles at least look nice in Sites of Interest, Colleges and Universities, and Notable Natives etc.; ETBU and Wiley especially need work. I'd appreciate any help. Thanks. -JCarriker 17:36, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

The Strand
Apparently, there IS a stub on the Strand, it's just terribly named. Strand National Historic Landmark District. Could still use lots of work. · Katefan0(scribble) 20:11, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

King Ranch
OK folks, time to mosey on over to King Ranch and let the fixin' up begin. If you find yourself with a spare minute, let's see what we can do to make this article better. · Katefan0(scribble) 16:45, September 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * I hope you don't mind if I continue to work on Texas Rangers Division in the meantime? I'd reaaaally like to see that article Featured someday... - Shauri  Yes babe?  19:38, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Not at all! Please do, and I'll continue to help.  It could still use quite a lot of work (including the criticisms hinetd at by DemonBurrito). · Katefan0(scribble) 19:51, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

Texas History Movies
I don't know about the rest, but what stuck with me from my Texas history in 7th grade came from a little cartoon book Texas History Movies put out by an oil company. We all seem to have gotten, for free, personal copies of what would be called anime today. My brother-in-law was so struck by the crudity of the text he asked for it, which I gladly gave.

So my question is "What company sponsored Texas History Movies?" It had a red and blue cover, with little cartoons inside to teach us.

Never mind. It's Mobil Oil. Texas History Movies ISBN 0-87611-080-4

Maybe it would be a fun article? Ancheta Wis 22:53, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Six-man football
Since West Texas is so sparsely populated, this variant of football is the rule in the smaller high schools; perhaps more could be said? --Ancheta Wis 11:30, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Call for votes
Of our current candidates, two are tied. How about we have folks vote on which one they'd prefer to tackle next? Anybody feel free to start it off. I've placed a voting section on the main page. · Katefan0(scribble) 21:15, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Since I'm not sure anymore how many of our old contributors are still active at the moment, let's have voting open through Sunday, and at that point we'll close it out and start workin'. Anybody object? · Katefan0(scribble)/ my ridiculous poll 17:16, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

University articles
What does everyone think of a future collaboration on University of Texas at Austin, Texas A&M University, and Texas Tech University? All three are fair to good articles that could use a great polish to push them to FA status. When we are feeling more ambitious, maybe we can try them? -Scm83x 23:18, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
 * My inclination is to say sure, although sometimes folks get territorial about their schools. I think if we decide to go this route, we should work on the articles with caution, probably even announce what we're about on the talk page beforehand, lest we appear as carpetbaggers =) · Katefan0(scribble)/ my ridiculous poll 17:17, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Definitely. I know that people are touchy about their alma mater's page, generally.  But if we make a comment on the talk page informing users that we intend to collaborate on the page, I think that we could actually gain a lot more people in the Texan Collaboration cause.  Realistically, I think it will be the best way to add people to this group because of how many people no doubt have their alma mater on their watchlist. -Scm83x 17:41, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Up next: Juneteenth
See y'all there. · Katefan0(scribble)/ mrp 06:29, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

August 2006
Hello fellow Texan Collaboration of the Month editors, We have made some good progress with Texas over the past month. However, I am not sure if we have improved the article enough yet to contemplate nominating it for FA (or at least GA). I propose that we spend one more month on it before choosing a new topic. I further propose that we archive the existing list of future candidate articles. Some of the nominations are quite old. I think we should take fresh suggestions during August for a new article to collaborate on in September. I look forward to your thoughts. Johntex\talk 00:57, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Was there any discussion about nominating the article Texas for FA status? It would have been better to run it through peer-review or something similar before nominating.  Can it be withdrawn before more time has passed? -Acjelen 20:45, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Biography
Let us know if you happen to pick an article on a person and we'll alert our members! plange 05:36, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

October
Texas has been the collaboration for 2 months, and this page was just listed as inactive...So, I'm going to go ahead and change it to Strand National Historic Landmark District, which has the most aproval votes. Jo e  I  19:45, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi Joe - I think that's a good choice. I just looked at the article.  It has some good stuff.  It needs sourcing.  Currently there is just one in-line reference.  I'll work on adding some more.  Given that participation in the monthly collaboration has been difficult to maintain, I think we should work on Strand until February and then try to pick a new article. Johntex\talk 05:53, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

U.S. Wikipedians' Collaboration of the Month
I'm not sure if anyone monitors this talk page anymore but we have reactivated the US Collaboration of the Month and we welcome you to stop by and participate if you are interested. --Kumioko (talk) 20:10, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

This project is active as the Texas Collaboration of the Year, which for 2013 is Lizzie Velásquez
Tramadul (talk) 00:21, 10 March 2013 (UTC) Nominations from prior to 1 January 2012 have been cleared away.{{subst:Unsigned|


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Talk:Magical creatures in Harry Potter

Discrepancies Between Sections
Currently, there is a section entitled "List of magical creatures mentioned in the film series." However, each sub-heading within this section is mostly dedicated to information exclusively from the books. As such, I would suggest renaming this section to reflect general notability, as that seems to be the reasoning for their current inclusion. However, before I begin overhauling this article, I wanted to see the general consensus on this point. TNstingray (talk) 14:41, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

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Sweet Leaf

"Sweet Leaf" is a song by English heavy metal band Black Sabbath from their third studio album Master of Reality, released in August, 1971. A single of the song was released in the Philippines. It is considered one of the band's best songs. It was later included on their 1976 greatest hits compilation We Sold Our Soul for Rock 'n' Roll.

Overview
The song begins with a tape loop of guitarist Tony Iommi coughing from a joint he was smoking with bandmate Ozzy Osbourne. The song's subject is cannabis, which the band was using frequently at that time. The title of the song was taken from a packet of Irish cigarettes that read "It's the sweet leaf".

Significance
"Sweet Leaf", and the Master of Reality album as a whole, arguably represents the earliest example of the music that would influence the emergence of stoner rock in California in the early 1990s. A compilation album, also titled Sweet Leaf, comprising covers of Black Sabbath songs by stoner rock bands, was released by Deadline Music in 2015.

Billy Corgan has cited the significance of 'Sweet Leaf' as an influence on The Smashing Pumpkins sound in numerous interviews, noting that he first heard the song from his uncle's copy of 'Master of Reality' when he was 8 years old and thought "this is what God sounds like".

Samples and covers
The main guitar riff, paired with a loop of a drum sample from Led Zeppelin's "When the Levee Breaks", is the instrumental basis of the Beastie Boys' song "Rhymin & Stealin", the first track on their breakthrough album Licensed to Ill (1986).

The Butthole Surfers reworked the song as "Sweat Loaf" (1987).

The Red Hot Chili Peppers play the riff as the outro to their hit song "Give It Away" (1991).

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Frank McGrath (actor)

Benjamin Franklin "Frank" McGrath (February 2, 1903 – May 13, 1967) was an American television and film actor and stunt performer who played the comical, optimistic cook with the white beard, Charlie B. Wooster, on the western series Wagon Train for five seasons on NBC and then three seasons on ABC. McGrath appeared in all 272 episodes in the eight seasons of the series, which had ended its run only two years before his death. McGrath's Wooster character hence provided the meals and companionship for both fictional trail masters, Ward Bond as Seth Adams and John McIntire as Christopher "Chris" Hale.

Early life
McGrath was born in Mound City in Holt County in far northwestern Missouri.

Career
His first role, uncredited, was in the 1932 film, The Rainbow Trail, a study of Mormon polygamy based on a 1915 Zane Grey novel of the same name. In 1948 and 1949, McGrath was the US Army Bugler in two of the greatest westerns ever made, Fort Apache and She Wore a Yellow Ribbon. In Fort Apache, McGrath appeared in fifty one scenes with both main characters John Wayne and Henry Fonda. In She Wore a Yellow Ribbon, McGrath appeared in one hundred and twelve scenes (112). Only John Wayne himself surpassed McGrath in scenes in this movie. McGrath worked closely with John Wayne and was in many screen shots in both of these films, which were directed by John Ford. Even at the age of fifty-three, the durable stunt performer McGrath completed three separate horse fall and drag scenes for the 1956 John Wayne picture The Searchers not long after McGrath had barely recovered from having broken his back.

A year before Wagon Train began, McGrath appeared briefly as ranch foreman John Pike in a 1956 episode "Quicksand" of the first hour-long television Western series, ABC's Cheyenne, starring Clint Walker. In 1957, McGrath had an uncredited role as a stagecoach driver in the Henry Fonda film, The Tin Star. In 1958, he portrayed the character Jake Rivers in the episode "The Most Dangerous Man Alive" on NBC's Tales of Wells Fargo, starring Dale Robertson.

After Wagon Train, McGrath appeared in 1965 and 1966 as Uncle Lucius in nine episodes of ABC's situation comedy Tammy, with Debbie Watson in the title role and Denver Pyle as the grandfather. Thereafter, McGrath was a guest star on two network westerns, as stagecoach driver Neddie Henshaw on the 1966 episode "Linda" of NBC's The Virginian and as Buster in the 03/13/1967 episode "Plunder", of ABC's The Big Valley. Shortly before his death, McGrath played a bartender in the picture The War Wagon, the character Ned Martin in Gunfight in Abilene, and Ballard Weeks in Glenn Ford's, The Last Challenge. All three films were released in 1967.

For a number of years he was a stand-in and stunt double for Academy Award winning actor Warner Baxter. He so greatly resembled Baxter that they could have passed for brothers according to Los Angeles Times reporter John Scott writing in 1935. The two men formed a friendship outside of the studios and McGrath worked in several capacities for him.

Still photos exist today from 20th Century Fox film "Slave Ship" (1937) showing identically dressed Baxter and his stand-in, McGrath, looking very much like brothers. In late 1938, McGrath gave an extensive interview carried by the Associated Press. He said they had met in 1928. Baxter was taken by their resemblance to each other and had him used as a stand-in. If closer in age they could have passed for twin brothers. By 1935, that professional relationship was written into Baxter's contracts. In 1938, McGrath was being paid $150 per week ($2,762.32 in 2019) part by Baxter and part by his studio to be a stand-in, stunt double, and personal trainer. Stand-ins at that time usually were paid $35 per week. They did much together to maintain Baxter's fitness to include swimming, tennis, boxing, and occasional body guard. A personal friendship grew from that. They hunted several times a year in addition to fishing trips. It was on a hunting trip to a remote part of Colorado in 1934 when McGrath saved Baxter's life. Baxter had broken his leg and McGrath carried him for four days on his back out of the wilderness and to a hospital. It was that event that cemented the personal friendship. When asked what they would talk about, McGrath said anything but pictures.

His last role was as Mr. Remington in the Don Knotts comedy-western, The Shakiest Gun in the West, released in 1968, the year after McGrath's death. His former Wagon Train costar Terry Wilson also appears with McGrath in The War Wagon and The Shakiest Gun in the West.

Personal life
McGrath married Libby Quay Buschlen (1902–1978), a native of Arthur Ontario, Canada. He died May 13, 1967, aged 64, of a heart attack in Beverly Hills. He was interred at Forest Lawn Memorial Park in Glendale.

Filmography
• 1932: The Rainbow Trail as Horseman (uncredited)

• 1932: Robbers' Roost as Mexican (uncredited)

• 1935: Under the Pampas Moon (uncredited)

• 1940: High School as Student in Fight (uncredited)

• 1941: Western Union as Posse Rider (uncredited)

• 1941: Riders of the Purple Sage as Pete

• 1942: Sundown Jim as Henchman

• 1942: It Happened in Flatbush as Baseball Game Spectator (uncredited)

• 1942: The Man in the Trunk as Photographer (uncredited)

• 1942: The Black Swan as Pirate (uncredited)

• 1942: The Ox-Bow Incident as Posse Member (uncredited)

• 1945: Her Highness and the Bellboy as Brawler (uncredited)

• 1945: They Were Expendable as 'Slim' – Bearded CPO (uncredited)

• 1946: Heldorado as Bearded Man Next to Carnival Jail (uncredited)

• 1948: Alias a Gentleman as Murph (uncredited)

• 1948: Fort Apache as Cpl. Derice (uncredited)

• 1948: Half Past Midnight as Taxi Driver (uncredited)

• 1948: A Southern Yankee as Dispatch Rider (uncredited)

• 1949: Big Jack as Posse Member (uncredited)

• 1949: She Wore a Yellow Ribbon as Bugler / Indian (uncredited)

• 1949: Mighty Joe Young as Cowboy (uncredited)

• 1950: Wagon Master as Posse Member (uncredited)

• 1950: The Flame and the Arrow as Guard (uncredited)

• 1950: Broken Arrow as Barfly (uncredited)

• 1950: Devil's Doorway as Posse Member (uncredited)

• 1950: The Milkman as Man (uncredited)

• 1951: Night into Morning as Irate Driver (uncredited)

• 1951: The Red Badge of Courage as Captain (uncredited)

• 1951: Slaughter Trail as Jamora (uncredited)

• 1951: Across the Wide Missouri as St. Leger (uncredited)

• 1951: Westward the Women as Outrider (uncredited)

• 1953: Ride, Vaquero! as Pete

• 1953: Hondo as Lowe's Partner (uncredited)

• 1954: The Egyptian (uncredited)

• 1956: The Searchers as Texas Ranger (uncredited)

• 1956: The First Texan as Mexican Horseman (uncredited)

• 1956: The Boss as Saloon Patron (uncredited)

• 1957: The Tin Star as Jim Clark – Stagecoach Driver (uncredited)

• 1957: Hell Bound as Detective (uncredited)

• 1965: The Sword of Ali Baba as Pindar

• 1967: Gunfight in Abilene as Ned Martin

• 1967: The War Wagon as Bartender

• 1967: Tammy and the Millionaire as Uncle Lucius

• 1967: The Reluctant Astronaut as Plank

• 1967: The Last Challenge as Ballard Weeks

• 1968: The Shakiest Gun in the West as Mr. Remington (final film role)

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Monte Vista National Wildlife Refuge

Monte Vista National Wildlife Refuge is a United States National Wildlife Refuge located in southern Colorado. The refuge is located in the San Luis Valley south of the town of Monte Vista, Colorado in southeastern Rio Grande County, Colorado, in the watershed of the Rio Grande. It was established in 1953 by the Migratory Bird Conservation Commission to provide a habitat for wildlife, particularly waterfowl, in the San Luis Valley.

Description and history
The site was historically an agricultural area and thus water is intensively managed on the refuge, especially in comparison to the nearby Alamosa refuge. Irrigation includes numerous dikes and other water control structures that provide water to a patchwork of diverse wetland habitats ranging from shallow wet meadows to open water. The refuge includes Artesian wells, pumped wells and irrigation canals, some dating to the "ditch boom" of the 1880s. The refuge is a major stopover for migrating greater sandhill cranes moving between their wintering area around Bosque del Apache National Wildlife Refuge  in New Mexico and breeding grounds in the northern United States and southern  Canada. Up to 20,000 cranes pass through in the spring and again in the fall. Three remaining endangered whooping cranes from a failed attempt to establish a wild migratory population in the 1980s can be seen migrating with their foster species, the sandhill crane. Beginning in the 1980s, a herd of elk began using the refuge. At present, several hundred elk may be seen on the refuge seeking winter food and sanctuary from hunting pressure on nearby public lands.

Climate
Waverly is roughly 5 miles southeast of Monte Vista National Wildlife Refuge. Waverly has a cold desert climate (Köppen BWk), closely bordering on a cold semi-arid climate (Köppen BSk).

title: Monte Vista National Wildlife Refuge