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Hi, I'm Gateman, and obviously you're not :)

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First off the basics, I'm a guy and I live in Fremont, California. You don't get to know my real name however, unless you want to guess it. I'll give you a hint, it's a book of the bible. First one to guess it gets a complimentary barnstar.

I derive my username from one of my favorite TV shows Stargate SG-1 and the year it started. I'm a highway, traffic light, lighthouse, soccer, travel buff who has contributed mainly to road related articles, stadium articles, and ligthhouses. However I also worked for Apple Computer and sometimes will drop in and touch up those articles as well.

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My first attempt at an entry was the oft deleted Systemwars.com article. Sadly it didn't go over so well and quite frankly it was crap. But I got better at this whole Wikipedia thing :)

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 * California State Route 130
 * Maine State Route 208
 * Marlin Model Golden 39A
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 * New Oakland Ballpark
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Chuck Norris, why we love'em

 * 1. Chuck Norris' tears cure cancer. Too bad he has never cried. Ever.
 * 2. Chuck Norris does not sleep. He waits.
 * 3. Chuck Norris is currently suing NBC, claiming Law and Order are trademarked names for his left and right legs.
 * 4. The chief export of Chuck Norris is pain.
 * 5. If you can see Chuck Norris, he can see you. If you can't see Chuck Norris, you may be only seconds away from death.
 * 6. Chuck Norris has counted to infinity. Twice.
 * 7. Chuck Norris does not hunt because the word hunting implies the probability of failure. Chuck Norris goes killing.
 * 8. Chuck Norris doesn’t wash his clothes, he disembowels them.
 * 9. Chuck Norris is 1/8th Cherokee. This has nothing to do with ancestry, the man ate a f***ing Indian.
 * 10. In fine print on the last page of the Guinness Book of World Records it notes that all world records are held by Chuck Norris, and those listed in the book are simply the closest anyone else has ever gotten.
 * 11. There is no chin behind Chuck Norris' beard. There is only another fist.
 * 12. Chuck Norris once roundhouse kicked someone so hard that his foot broke the speed of light, went back in time, and killed Amelia Earhart while she was flying over the Pacific Ocean.
 * 13. Crop circles are Chuck Norris' way of telling the world that sometimes corn needs to lie the f*** down.
 * 14. Chuck Norris is ten feet tall, weighs two-tons, breathes fire, and could eat a hammer and take a shotgun blast standing.
 * 15. The Great Wall of China was originally created to keep Chuck Norris out. It failed misserably.
 * 16. If you ask Chuck Norris what time it is, he always says, "Two seconds 'til." After you ask, "Two seconds 'til what?" he roundhouse kicks you in the face.
 * 17. Chuck Norris drives an ice cream truck covered in human skulls.
 * 18. Chuck Norris sold his soul to the devil for his rugged good looks and unparalleled martial arts ability. Shortly after the transaction was finalized, Chuck roundhouse-kicked the devil in the face and took his soul back. The devil, who appreciates irony, couldn't stay mad and admitted he should have seen it coming. They now play poker every second Wednesday of the month.
 * 19. There is no theory of evolution, just a list of creatures Chuck Norris allows to live.
 * 20. Chuck Norris once ate three 72 oz. steaks in one hour. He spent the first 45 minutes having sex with his waitress.
 * 21. Chuck Norris is the only man to ever defeat a brick wall in a game of tennis.
 * 22. Chuck Norris doesn't churn butter. He roundhouse kicks the cows and the butter comes straight out.
 * 23. When Chuck Norris sends in his taxes, he sends blank forms and includes only a picture of himself, crouched and ready to attack. Chuck Norris has not had to pay taxes ever.
 * 24. The quickest way to a man's heart is with Chuck Norris' fist.
 * 25. A Handicap parking sign does not signify that this spot is for handicapped people. It is actually in fact a warning, that the spot belongs to Chuck Norris and that you will be handicapped if you park there.
 * 26. Chuck Norris will attain statehood in 2009. His state flower will be the Magnolia.
 * 27. Nagasaki never had a bomb dropped on it. Chuck Norris jumped out of a plane and punched the ground.
 * 28. Chuck Norris originally appeared in the "Street Fighter II" video game, but was removed by Beta Testers because every button caused him to do a roundhouse kick. When asked bout this "glitch," Norris replied, "That's no glitch."
 * 29. The opening scene of the movie "Saving Private Ryan" is loosely based on games of dodgeball Chuck Norris played in second grade.
 * 30. Chuck Norris once shot down a German fighter plane with his finger, by yelling, "Bang!"
 * 31. Chuck Norris once bet NASA he could survive re-entry without a spacesuit. On July 19th, 1999, a naked Chuck Norris re-entered the earth's atmosphere, streaking over 14 states and reaching a temperature of 3000 degrees. An embarrassed NASA publically claimed it was a meteor, and still owes him a beer.
 * 32. Chuck Norris has two speeds: Walk and Kill.
 * 33. Someone once tried to tell Chuck Norris that roundhouse kicks aren't the best way to kick someone. This has been recorded by historians as the worst mistake anyone has ever made.
 * 34. Contrary to popular belief, America is not a democracy, it is a Chucktatorship.
 * 35. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is based on a true story: Chuck Norris once swallowed a turtle whole, and when he crapped it out, the turtle was six feet tall and had learned karate.
 * 36. Chuck Norris is not hung like a horse... horses are hung like Chuck Norris
 * 37. Chuck Norris is the only human being to display the Heisenberg uncertainty principle -- you can never know both exactly where and how quickly he will roundhouse-kick you in the face.
 * 38. Chuck Norris can drink an entire gallon of milk in forty-seven seconds.
 * 39. Rather than being birthed like a normal child, Chuck Norris instead decided to punch his way out of his mother’s womb.
 * 40. If you say Chuck Norris' name in Mongolia, the people there will roundhouse kick you in his honor. Their kick will be followed by the REAL roundhouse delivered by none other than Norris himself.
 * 41. Time waits for no man. Unless that man is Chuck Norris.
 * 42. Chuck Norris discovered a new theory of relativity involving multiple universes in which Chuck Norris is even more badass than in this one. When it was discovered by Albert Einstein and made public, Chuck Norris roundhouse-kicked him in the face. We know Albert Einstein today as Stephen Hawking.
 * 43. The Chuck Norris military unit was not used in the game Civilization 4, because a single Chuck Norris could defeat the entire combined nations of the world in one turn.
 * 44. In an average living room there are 1,242 objects Chuck Norris could use to kill you, including the room itself.
 * 45. Chuck Norris does not teabag the ladies. He potato-sacks them.
 * 46. Pluto is actually an orbiting group of British soldiers from the American Revolution who entered space after the Chuck gave them a roundhouse kick to the face.
 * 47. When Chuck Norris goes to donate blood, he declines the syringe, and instead requests a hand gun and a bucket.
 * 48. There are no weapons of mass destruction. Just Chuck Norris.
 * 49. Chuck Norris once challenged Lance Armstrong in a "Who has more testicles?" contest. Chuck Norris won by 5.
 * 50. Chuck Norris was the fourth wise man, who gave baby Jesus the gift of beard, which he carried with him until he died. The other three wise men were enraged by the preference that Jesus showed to Chuck's gift, and arranged to have him written out of the bible. All three died soon after of mysterious roundhouse-kick related injuries.

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 * Vin Diesel hates Apple so much he once took a bite out of their logo.

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Could you two please come to some kind of compromise using this talk page? Otherwise, I am going to protect the article →Raul654 21:53, Mar 7, 2004 (UTC)

Cautious, the vulgar stuff about von Ribbentrop has no place in this article about Molotov. And it was not an "obvious lie" that the USSR had not provoked Germany. As far as I know, it is the unanimous verdict of historians that the USSR tried very hard not to provoke the Germans. Everyking 21:57, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * While I agree that the "obvious lie" phrase doesn't belong here, the concentration of the Red Army at the border hardly can be evaluated as "trying hard not to". Mikkalai 23:09, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * Well, you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't. Surely you agree that the USSR was trying to avoid a war with Germany? Most historians believe Stalin was very conciliatory in his efforts to avoid or at least postpone a war, almost to the point of absurdity. Everyking 23:17, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * Yes, but... Words vs. deeds. Stalin was more than coniciliatory; he was helpful, but Hitler was not an idiot as American movies try to portray. At all times concentration of forces outweighs any other arguments. Mikkalai 23:24, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * But is that a provocation, seriously? Someone points a gun at you for no good reason, and you point one back in an attempt to deter him? I have a lot of trouble with adding material to this article that seeks to mitigate the essential truth that the USSR was a victim of blatant Nazi aggression. Everyking 23:41, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * Only recently, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, documents start to emerge hinting that Stalin planned a "preventive" strike. Anyway, I am not an expert in military history, neither it is the issue of this article. So let's wait some 5-10 more years. Mikkalai 00:56, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * Well, the relative strength of the two countries in terms of military power, as demonstrated by the initial success of Barbarossa, makes this seem very unlikely to my mind. But at least we can agree that this has no basis in conventional history and should not be included unless serious evidence comes to light...but even if it did, that still wouldn't be enough to justify "an obvious lie". Everyking 01:11, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

 * As for fon Ribbetrop part:
 * First sentence: I strongly suspect that he din't use the word "Nazi". In general, any specific comments attributed to a third person if they ar not widely known or easily acceptable are better be quoted literally. Otherwise they are out of encyclopedia on the slightest doubt. Hence, it's gone for now.
 * The second phrase, if it is Ribbentrop's, is obviously irrelevant for this article. Mikkalai 23:24, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I think that there must be some verification of the Molotov speach, except description that it was hearthening. Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was the pact of common aggression and therefore it lead to outbreak of WW2. The actions of Soviets helped Hitler to start and proceed with a war. Therefore, the statement of Molotov, that Soviets did nothing to provoke the war are nonsense. Soviets provoked the war elsewhere and now it reached themselves. By the way, Soviets were deeply enganged in WW2 since 1939: invasion of Poland and Finnish-Soviet war. Cautious 10:31, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

 * But Molotov's speech was about the German invasion, not Poland. The fact that the USSR made the 1939 pact was the opposite of a provocation: it was an attempt to avoid or postpone war with Germany. You can add what you want to this article when it is unprotected, but it has to be A) about Molotov (Ribbentrop's drunken ramblings are not) and B) stated in a NPOV manner ("an obvious lie" is not). Everyking 13:52, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

We are discussing following paragraph: "Hours after the German invasion on June 22, 1941, he gave a famous and heartening speech to the Soviet people, explaining the situation and emphasizing that the USSR had done nothing to provoke the war, but would fight on until victory now that it had begun. " Soviat Union did a lot of to provoke the war and it was Soviet folly, that lead to German attack. The Molotov speach was the attempt to cover the truth with the lie. This was to be proven Cautious 14:01, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

One more point: German invasion of 1941 was the part of WW2, correct? And WW2 started with Stalin help. So the fact, that SU will take part in WW2 was the question of time. Therefore, saying that SU did not to provoke a war is non sense.

I think that we can add that Molotove missed the truth or something like that.

Why you don't like Ribbentrop appraisal for Molotov? They were just partners.

3rd question: for Poles, it was very important, that Molotov was the one to make chauvinistic speaches against Poles. What you have against adding this information here? Cautious 14:06, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * The pharasing gave an impression that the chauvinistic speech cited belongs to Ribbentrop. Mikkalai 17:07, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

 * Well, if Molotov did say that -- sounds very uncharacteristic of him (and very characteristic of Ribbentrop), especially considering the propaganda department was working hard to portray Stalin as the savior of the Polish people -- then just provide some sort of cite, because Google turns up nothing.

 * The USSR did not help start WWII. Be realistic. If Stalin had not cut that deal in 1939, all of Poland would've fallen immediately under the Nazi yoke, and the Soviet Union would've had less territory to fall back on in 1941, increasing the odds of its defeat.

Everyking 18:09, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * This is Soviet propaganda POV. Many historians agree, that Ribentrop-Molotov pact was the direct reason for starting WW2, giving Hitler the free hand to invade Poland. Cautious 08:56, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

 * I don't object at all to more information being added to the article on the Nazi-Soviet Pact (it is one of the things for which Molotov is best known), but it should be characterized appropriately.

 * Anyway, feel free to cite some sources for your claims that the USSR provoked the war. I recall some Nazi claim that the Russians had bombed some Romanian oil fields or something; you might want to try that one. Maybe we could settle on a compromise like:

 * "Hours after the German invasion on June 22, 1941, he gave a famous and heartening speech to the Soviet people, explaining the situation and emphasizing that the USSR had done nothing to provoke the war, but would fight on until victory now that it had begun. (German propagandists, however, disagreed with this and accused the Soviet Union of instigating the conflict.)" Everyking 18:09, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Hours after the German invasion on June 22, 1941, he gave a famous and heartening speech to the Soviet people, explaining the situation and emphasizing that the USSR had done nothing to provoke the war, but would fight on until victory now that it had begun. What he forgot to mention was the Soviet engagement in the predecessing phase of WW2: invasion of Poland and Finland, delivery of strategic war materials to Germany, help of communist underground in France in undermining French defense. Some historians claim, that Hitler invasion came only few weeks before the one planned by Soviets. Nevertheless, currently there is disagreement when the planned Soviet invasion was planned (1941 or 1942) To me it sounds NPOV. Cautious 08:56, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

 * Can you cite some historian who believes that the Soviet Union was planning an invasion of Germany in 1941 or 42? Furthermore, none of your examples amount to anything that could be seen as a provocation of Germany, except arguably the attack on Finland. Everyking 17:02, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * Alexander Suvorow in 1941, his oponent Gorodetski thought about 1942. Cautious 14:22, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

 * Actually, Cautious, since I know good and well a politically motivated dispute like this could drag on forever, why don't I just propose this compromise wording: "Hours after the German invasion on June 22, 1941, he gave a famous and heartening speech to the Soviet people, explaining the situation and arguing that the USSR had done nothing to provoke the war, but insisting that it would fight on until victory now that it had begun." Everyking 17:18, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

This is not political discussion, but historical. Your proposal, doesn't include anything that forms a compromise. First, it must be stated that Molotov pact with Ribbentrop lead to the outbreak of WW2 and his statements about peace loving Soviet Union had nothing to do with reality. If you draw the border lines through neighbouring countries with some gangster, that also known for writing a book, where lebensraum is shown on your territory, would you expect that he would made aggression only against those countries you both agreed on ??

Soviet Union took part already in WW2 as a passive player on the side of Germany, just as US took part as passive player on the side of UK. Cautious 14:22, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

 * It is indeed historical discussion on my side, but it has become plain that it is political discussion on yours. My compromise proposal changed "emphasized" to "argued", and I think everyone can agree that is NPOV language. So what is left to do? You can't simply state as fact that the Soviet Union provoked the war, or was responsible for starting it, when I and so many others believe that is nonsense. The best you can get is a wording that does not cast judgment on the truthfulness of Molotov's speech, a wording that leaves it open to the individual's judgment whether or not the USSR provoked the war, and that is what I offered. Everyking 21:17, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * Everyking, the POV version of history you are trying to smuggle into 2004 encyclopedia, was written by official Soviet historians to reason the moves of Soviet government. Despite the fall of communism and the fact, that all of us have now quite easy access to information, you not only follow the offiical Soviet line, but also deny that this is the opportunity to voice other views.

NPOV version of Molotov's aertcle, should include some other views: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0241126223/002-0267282-0223240?v=glance
 * a believe that without consensus from Stalin side in the form of pact, Hitler might not start a WW2,
 * Soviet invasion of Poland was performed at inistance of Germany,
 * Molotov made some highly chauvinistic speaches against Poles,
 * according to some historians (Viktor Suvorov, Stalin planned the invasion just few weeks later
 * even historians that tried to repudiate this version, claim that the original plan was about 1942 or 1943

Cautious 08:41, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC) Read this: Stalin speach Aug 1939

One more point: how could possibly Germany invaded SU in 1941, if there were no Molotov-Ribentrop pact? In 1939, there were Poland between them, and Poland was determined not to fight Soviets in alliance with Nazis. Cautious 09:05, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

 * Cite the "chauvinistic speeches". I got not a single hit on Google for "aborted child Versailles Molotov", and I couldn't find anything like that in any of my own history books, either. But if he did say them, of course they have a place here.

 * The Soviet Union and Germany did not sign the Pact as friends. You say yourself that the Soviet Union was planning an imminent invasion (How was this possible, when the Soviets were so utterly crushed in the first phase of the war? Obviously they had not nearly enough strength to attack Germany then.), and obviously the Germans were planning an imminent invasion, yet at the same time you say that Germany and the Soviet Union were good friends. And what about the attack on Finland, done during the time of the Pact? The Finns received German assistance, and the Soviet objective was plainly to reduce the threat to Leningrad in the event of a German invasion, as happened just a year later.

 * But I digress. Propose a compromise wording; but it cannot include something so POV as "an obvious lie", and it cannot include the attribution of "chauvinistic speeches" unless you can provide cites for that. Everyking 17:17, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

 * How was this possible, when the Soviets were so utterly crushed in the first phase of the war?
 * Quite evident for a military man. There is a huge difference to be ready to an offensive and to be ready to a defensive. How did Pearl Harbor happen? Mikkalai 19:08, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * Obviously the Germans had considerably greater military strength than the Russians. I don't see how you can deny that point. Continued industrialization and preparations would've enabled the Soviet Union to possibly manage an attack on Germany by the mid-1940s, but by 1941, they were just not ready. The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was successful, but how successful would an invasion of California have been? Everyking 19:43, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * Obviously you are not familiar with pre-war statistics. Let's not discuss the issue here. It is not the point, besides neither me, nor I are experts in military history. But for starters, take a look at Soviet tank production during World War II and German tank production during World War II. Have you ever seen the so-called "medium" tank T3 of Germany? Some used to make a laughing stock of Polish cavalry when writing that they attempted to attack Nazi Panzers (Sabre against tank! Dummy pollocks...). In fact, not once Polish cavalry defeated these Deutsche tin cans. Mikkalai 20:16, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * As for California, it wouldn't sound so funny, if Japanese managed to mobilize China first, as they did in Europe: there were Bulgaria, Romania, etc. against Russia. Mikkalai

Mikkalai, instead of arguing with me over points that are tangential to the actual dispute, why don't you suggest some sort of compromise, since Cautious is evidentally unwilling to accept mine? Maybe he'll get banned for this sort of thing someday, but I'd like to get this article unprotected sooner rather than later. Everyking 20:38, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

 * Guys, why an old lazy software Engineer must do a job of a hsitorian for you?

 * Ann Su Cardwell, Poland and Russia: The Last Quarter Century (Sheed and Ward: New York, 1944), 223-245. Cited at http://www.lituanus.org/1989/89_1_02.htm

 * In a lengthy report to the Supreme Soviet on 31 October 1939 Molotov made it clear that there was no question of restoring the "old Poland." Germany and Russia, as Molotov put it, had abolished the "ugly offspring of the Versailles treaty.
 * In fact, Molotov used the Russian word "ubliudok", which fairly corresponds to "bastard". Which, in fact, is used in MSN Encarta article on Molotov.

 * As to the second issue whether Molotov lied or not, the word "lie" is definitely out. The article is about Molotov. Molotov is politician. Have you ever heard about a politician telling truth, whole truth and nothing but truth? I suggest to use the word "misleading", since he said truth, but not the whole truth. Mikkalai 22:30, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

 * OK, a compromise version can include Molotov's comment about Poland as an ugly bastard child. Strike out the "chauvinistic speeches against Poles", though, since he is evidentally referring to the state here, not the people.

 * I don't like "misleading". It casts judgment on the truthfulness of his speech. "He argued..." seems like fine NPOV wording to me. Everyking 23:50, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

 * It occurs to me now that I don't see any particular reason to mention his speech. It is almost unknown in Russia, because it was heavily outweighted by Stalin's speech of July 3, 1941, in which he absolutely unusually addressed to the people: Brothers and sisters: ....

 * OK. Here is the whole text. As one can see, Molotov took greater lengths to state that Germany cannot present any formal complaints to the USSR, and hence Germany is agressor. A standard political procedure. I see no reason that he attempted to cheat anyone in any larger degree than a first best politician would do in such situation. I see absolutely nothing special in the speech. If you do, I'd suggest to start a Molotov's speech article for explanations in what closet exactly did Molotov hide the corpse. Mikkalai

 * Mikkalai, I believe all information about a person that passes a minimal threshold of relevance has a place in Wikipedia if someone is willing to write about it. Molotov's speech is very far above that threshold: it was very important as being the Soviet government's initial response to the invasion, and I can't even begin to understand your reasoning here. You seem to think there should be a quota on how much should go into this article, whereas I'd like to see it unprotected so that I and others can add more to it. Everyking 01:40, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * The reasoning is very simple: if the speech is very, important, then it deserves a separate page. Where did you get the idea I am in for quotas? Of course this speech is much more important than, say, clothespin article. I expressed my opinion, nothing else. Since, as I repeatedly claimed, I am not a historian, you may happily disregard my evaluation of its importance; I am not going to go into edit wars because of it. Mikkalai 01:55, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * Let me say for the record that I side with you in that this article is no a place to make a trivial one-sided black-and-white comment on the truthfullness of this speech, and I'm done here. Mikkalai 01:55, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

If someone can please add Vyacheslav Molotov. Thanks!
 * Snowdog 00:17, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * Done. →Raul654 00:19, Mar 15, 2004 (UTC)

"Poles were proud of the strengh of their army. Nevertheless, it required only the onslaught of German army from the West and the onslaught of Red Army from the East and nothing remained from that bastard of Treaty in Versailles, feeding itself by persecution of non-Polish natialities." My proposal is: He publicly stated Soviet-German bortherhood in arms against Poland and expressed his content from the fall of Poland under the join Soviet-German invasion.
 * 1) I resign from describing Molotov speech as a lie, on condition that the description will be NPOV: so that he stated unprovoked German aggression.
 * 2) Regarding Polish speech: (my translation)
 * 1) It should be also stated, that Molotov was among the Soviet leaders that on March 3, 1940 signed the order to execute 26,500 Polish intelligentsia, including 15,000 Polish POW, known later as Katyn massacre. Cautious 10:12, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)

All right, Cautious, a mention of the speech is fine, but I don't think it should be stated in terms of a "brotherhood of arms" with Germany. The speech was in line with a lot of Soviet rhetoric of that time, which blamed the Polish state for oppression of minorities as a way of justifying its breakup. So I think any mention of the speech should be in that context.

The exact context of the speech is:
 * 1) Molotov signed the partition treaty of Poland
 * 2) Soviet Union invaded Poland
 * 3) Molotov expressed his content from both German and Soviet invasions and in highly chauvinistic speech he offended Poland as a country
 * 4) Molotov signed the order to execute Poles (you hardly call such a murderous speeches rhetoric, do you??)
 * 5) Germans invade SU and Poles are again an ally against the common enemy. Unfotunately, newly formed Polish army has deficit of officers, since they all were killed 2 years before. Cautious 14:22, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)

 * I am not going to accept "brotherhood in arms". Let's just mention the speech for what it is, and let readers draw their own conclusions. And I don't see the sense in omitting the context of 1939 Soviet rhetoric against the Polish state. Orders and speeches are two different things. Everyking 16:46, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)

The second part doesn't really make sense: how can 26,000 intelligentsia include 15,000 POWs? Everyking 13:57, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Everyking, Everyking read little bit. Soviets regiestered all retired and reserve officers in Eastern Poland. Reserve officer in the country with conscription, means somebody with university degree, intelligentsia. They gathered them in the camps. The decision, Molotov signed, meant execution of 99% of them. In addition, 11,000 more people were executed, probably family members, but I am not sure. Cautious 14:22, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)

 * Ok, well, that wording is confusing. Clarify it and I'll accept it. Everyking 16:46, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)

 * Cautious informed me on my talk page about this compromise. I don't really know the issues or the facts in the case. I got involved merely to stop the edit war. So consider me an impartial 3rd party. I do encourage both of you to compromise though - revert wars are considered harmful. →Raul654 14:00, Mar 18, 2004 (UTC)

Holodomor
This needs clarifying: "Despite the bad harvest and an epidemic of typhoid, he managed to collect 4.2 million metric tons of grain (of planned 4.6 million tons), which resulted in a severe famine in the Ukraine known as Holodomor today." It seems to say that the fact that Molotov collected 4.2 m tons of grain caused the famine, but it also says that there was a bad harvest and an epidemic of typhoid. Could a little more detail be added on this? Everyking 19:28, 2 May 2004 (UTC)
 * This is an article about Molotov, not about the Great Famine, where one could go in much more detail. An extremely severe famine along Volga (Povolzhye, Volga region) is a well-known fact as well.

 * Who/what caused "severe famine": Bad harvest was known: The plan was decreased from regular 7.7 mln ton to 4.6, but even it was not implemented despite Molotov's draconian measures. I am not a historian, just my memories, but I am inclined to believe that if Molotov did not succeed in implementing the plan (and was not punished for that !), then he did really clean Ukrainian stocks for good.

 * Ukrainian nationalists try to present holodomor as genocide agaist Ukraine. While they are taking it out of context of the whole Great Famine (and tend to forget a coulpe of earlier famines (1891, 1900-3, 1911) that costed Ukrainians another 3-4 millions without any Bolsheviks (not yet extanct)), indeed these events gave Stalin an opportunity to present the bad harvest as anti-Soviet efforts of "bourgeois-nationalists" (there was a decree of Sovnarkom Dec. 16, 1932? about that: "On grain harvesting in Ukraine, Northern Caucasus and Western regions (sic!)"). Mikkalai 20:11, 2 May 2004 (UTC)

The youth
"After what appears to be an odyssey through the landscape of geographic and political Russia including an important role in the October Revolution and editing the newspaper Pravda for a while, he started working under Joseph Stalin in 1922." And that's all about his revolutionary actions. What odyssey? What important role in Revolution? --Vasile 05:54, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)

molotov
What is this supposed secret protocol? Is this like the secret Protocols of the Elders of Zion? Where is the proof outside of Cold War propaganda?

Molotov was demoted by Stalin, but what establishes he was "in peril"? This is a contradiction as well, if he was a "staunch Stalinist" if that is code for "agreeing with the majority of the Politburo and Central Committee", he would not have been demoted, never mind supposedly in peril. The last part of it is qualified, so I'll leave it in (the "suspected" thing).

So it's just a coincidence that a friend of Golda Meir and Zionist gets locked up right after Israel turns against the USSR? This fact disappears in the memory hole, it's just a coincidence that this so-called anti-semitic campaign starts in 1948? Please. Ruy Lopez 02:02, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * My main problem with your edit was the removal of the reference to the rootless cosmopolitans campaign, which this issue was clearly a part of. Everyking 10:09, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * The protocol is an appendix of the pact which was secret at that time (1939). It became known to public after the defeat of Nazis in 1945. Soviet Union denied its existence until 1989 when they admitted that the text known in the West was real. One more fact that used to be dismissed as "Cold War propoganda" but has been confirmed by archive documents from Soviet Union now. Andris 22:55, Sep 25, 2004 (UTC)

Anti-offer to Marshall plan
When Marshall plan was announced Czechoslovakia (and Poland) initially accepted the plan. Premier and foreign minister of Czechoslovakia were then asked to come to Moscow and were forbidden (by Stalin, personally) to continue in negotiations (they give up this pressure).

Soviets did promise to send trains with grain (600,000 tons, paid by uranium ore). This was used a lot in pre-election propaganda in Czechoslovakia.

Pavel Vozenilek 18:57, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * http://studena.valka.cz/marshalluv_plan1.htm (in Czech only, sorry)
 * http://smk.webpark.cz/historie4/priprava.html (dtto)

Reverting etiquette
I've copied my message to User:198 here:
 * Reverting edits with nothing more than "rv lol you've GOT to be kidding me :)" or "rv mel's edits" is not acceptable, especially when your reversion turns NPoV into PoV language.
 * Reverting when someone else has edited in between, thus deleting all their changes (in this case, extensive changes to the inter-Wiki information) is even more unacceptable, not to mention very bad manners.
 * If you want to discuss this, do so on Talk:Vyacheslav Molotov. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 08:38, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I refuse to comprosmise on this page, and frankly the damn bot was in my way.--198 05:53, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Look, the question is POV wording regarding the rejection of the Marshall Plan and joining Comecon? The degree of force/pressure involved? Surely some wording could be changed to find something agreeable? Everyking 11:24, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

 * IMHO, that RV war was misplaced, so take it someplace else or better yet, cite reputable sources. One thing is certain, with Stalin enjoying absolute power, Molotov did not define Soviet policies.  ←Humus sapiens←Talk 01:46, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
 * True Humus. Although I think Molotov was still important (below Stalin); mind he was one of a few old Bolsheviks to survive--198 03:13, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

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Thomas Edward Simpson

Thomas Edward Simpson (August 10, 1873 – July 16, 1951) was a Canadian politician.

Born in Dufferin County, Ontario, Simpson represented the electoral district of Algoma West in the House of Commons of Canada from 1917 to 1935. He was a member of Robert Borden's Unionist Party caucus from 1917 to 1921, and of the Conservative Party caucus after 1921.

He served as Chief Government Whip from 1930 until his retirement from politics in 1935.

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Talk:John Stofa

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From everything I can find, this is incorrect about how he became the first Bengal. Stofa was apparently traded from the Bengals to the Dolphins in 1967, prior to the 'veternan draft'. among others. Niteowlneils 06:25, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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According to the Bengals Calendar. John Stofa was traded to the Bengals from the Dolphins for a pair of draft choices in December, 1967. This was nine months before the Bengals played there first game.

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Dorothy Porter

Dorothy Featherstone Porter (26 March 1954 – 10 December 2008) was an Australian poet. She was a recipient of the Christopher Brennan Award for lifetime achievement in poetry.

Early life
Porter was born in Sydney. Her father was barrister Chester Porter and her mother, Jean, was a high school chemistry teacher. Porter attended the Queenwood School for Girls. She graduated from the University of Sydney in 1975 with a Bachelor of Arts majoring in English and History.

Works and awards
Porter's awards include The Age Book of the Year for poetry, the National Book Council Award for The Monkey's Mask and the FAW Christopher Brennan Award for poetry. Two of her verse novels were shortlisted for the Miles Franklin Award: What a Piece of Work in 2000 and Wild Surmise in 2003. In 2000, the film The Monkey's Mask was made from her verse novel of the same name. In 2005, her libretto The Eternity Man, co-written with composer Jonathan Mills, was performed at the Sydney Festival.

Porter's last book published during her life was El Dorado, her fifth verse novel, about a serial child killer. The book was nominated for several awards including the inaugural Prime Minister's Literary Award in 2007 and for Best Fiction in the Ned Kelly Awards.

Two other works have been published posthumously: her poetry collection The Bee Hut (2009), as well as has her final completed work, an essay on literary criticism and emotions, entitled On Passion.

Porter, who found many outlets for writing, including fiction for young adults and libretti for chamber operas, was working on a rock opera called January with Tim Finn at the time of her death.

Personal life
Porter was an open lesbian and in 1993 moved to Melbourne to be with her partner, fellow writer Andrea Goldsmith. The couple were coincidentally both shortlisted in the 2003 Miles Franklin Award for literature. In 2009, Porter was posthumously recognised by the website Samesame.com.au as one of the most influential gay and lesbian Australians.

Porter was a self-described pagan, committed to pagan principles of courage, stoicism and commitment to the earth and beauty.

Death
Porter had been suffering from breast cancer for four years before her death, but "many thought she was winning the battle," according to journalist Matt Buchanan. In the last three weeks of her life, she became very sick and was admitted to hospital, where she was in intensive care for the final 10 days. She died aged 54 on 10 December 2008.

On 21 February 2010, actress Cate Blanchett read excerpts from Porter's posthumously published short work on literary criticism and emotions in literature, On Passion, at the Malthouse Theatre, Melbourne.

Brett Dean dedicated the first movement of his "Epitaph for string quintet (viola quintet) (2010)" in memory of Dorothy Porter.

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Arthur Cyril Boyce

Arthur Cyril Boyce (September 12, 1867 – August 4, 1942) was a Canadian politician.

Born in Wakefield, West Yorkshire, England, Boyce was educated at private educational institutions in Wakefield, York and Carlisle, England, and Osgoode Hall Law School, Toronto. A lawyer, he practised law in Port Arthur (1890–1892), Rat Portage (1893–1903) and in Sault Ste. Marie.

He represented the electoral district of Algoma West in the House of Commons of Canada from 1904 to 1917, during which time he became involved in the case of Angelina Napolitano, a Sault Ste. Marie woman who became the first in Canada to use the battered woman defence. He was a member of the Conservative Party.

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Edward Borron

Edward Barnes Borron (December 6, 1820 – April 23, 1915) was a Canadian politician. He represented the electoral district of Algoma in the House of Commons of Canada from 1874 to 1878. He was a member of the Liberal Party.

The son of John Arthur Borron and Mary Geddes, he was educated at Lancashire, Newcastle upon Tyne and the University of Edinburgh before entering work in his father's mines in Lanarkshire. In 1842, he became general manager. Borron came to Upper Canada in 1850, working in Michigan before becoming general manager for the Montreal Mining Company's operation at Bruce Mines. He married Marie-Edesse Février dit Laramée in 1854. In 1858, he returned to Scotland but came back to the Sault Ste. Marie area in 1862. From 1869 to 1873, he was crown lands agent and mining inspector for the province in the Lake Superior division. In 1879, he was named stipendiary magistrate for the northern Nipissing district. He retired to Toronto in 1904 and died there in 1915.

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Talk:Rosina Bulwer-Lytton

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I added the Relations section. What is really needed is more info on her life in general. (I didn't get sign it, because Wik kept crashing when I was signed in.  Kim Dammers

Omitting the hyphen makes her look like the former Miss Bulwer. --Wetman 08:14, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Was the title of her book about her husband really Cizeveley? I've seen it called Cheveley. I'm wondering if this might be the result of a bad OCR scan. MK2 21:34, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Timeline
"The imprisonment of socially inconvenient women, at the behest of their male relatives, had been revealed to the public with the case of Louisa Nottidge and Wilkie Collins's novel based on it, The Woman in White."

But if the Bulwer-Lytton case happened in 1858, Collins's 1859-1860 novel hadn't been written yet, and nothing had been revealed by it to the public. 2A02:AA1:104E:E813:909C:4BA2:8A5C:EAF (talk) 20:42, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Moore machine

One thing that's not very clear from this article, is: "When do the actions (lambda) trigger?"

Does it happen when you enter a state? Does it happen when you leave a state? Does it happen when the clock fires?

Is the Moore machine description mute on the question?

LionKimbro

Well, I know what a clocked sequential system (a kind of Moore machine) would do. I'll stick that in the article, and hope that any theoreticians correct any mistakes. --DavidCary 01:28, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Ah: I see: So an important part of a Moore machine is that it is like electronic circuitry, and has a continuing output signal. It's not like: "Oh, you entered a state, here's your event registering that you entered the state." LionKimbro

examples of Moore machines
The article seems to claim that there are some Moore machines that are *not* clocked sequential systems. I can't think of any -- can you? --DavidCary 01:28, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, I've simulated them in software before. It's pretty easy to model entry triggers in software. But things make so much more sense now, that I understand it's a continuous output signal, and that "Moore machine" is intended for electronic component circuits, where it's not a burden to have a continuous output signal.

What was the phrase you use: "clocked sequential system." I think this could be clearer in the text of the page. Actually, I think this could be clearer throughout computer science textbooks in general, which briefly mention the Moore machine, but don't always hook it up with the concept of electronics, "clocked sequential systems," etc.,.

LionKimbro

I am actually most familiar with Moore machines from a context unrelated to electronic circuits, clocked or otherwise. There is a large literature on Moore machines representing strategies and playing games against one another. In particular, there are dozens of papers about Moore machines playing tournaments of repeated Prisoners' Dilemma. There are also lots of papers on evolving Moore machines to solve a problem using genetic algorithms. I think the machines in question are almost always virtual. 64.142.87.46 21:25, 23 March 2007 (UTC)J. Andrew Hoerner

Moore Machine: 7-tuple?
Is the Moore Machine really a 7-tuple machine? I thought it didn't have accepting states since it was a transducer (it generates an output for a given input) rather than an acceptor (returns true or false if the input is an acceptable string). I'm just learning about these things, so I don't really have the authority to change it, but all the other sites I've been referencing say that Moore Machines have no accepting states. Is there anyone out there with the authority and confidence on the subject to change it? previously unsigned comment left by User:150.208.12.223

 * A more machine can have accepting states - that would be a sequence detector type of machine. I really dunno what this transducer garbage is all about - never heard of that in this context, and all the links to transducer don't make any sense in the context of a sequential circuit - except in the most very basic and useless way. Fresheneesz 02:49, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

6-tuple formal definition
The "formal definition" looks kinda ridculous. One thing that bothers me - an initial state is not neccessary to define a machine. A machine takes inputs (the starting state *and* and input sequence), and produces outputs. The starting state can be considered an input, and is not neccessarily part of the machine. Fresheneesz 02:53, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

The formal model contradicts the statement that a Moore machine doesn't use input symbols (and in fact, the formal statement looks like it was lifted straight from the corresponding section for Mealy machines.) 213.41.128.67 15:59, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Do you mean that "A transition function {\displaystyle T:S\times \Sigma \rightarrow S}T : S \times \Sigma \rightarrow S mapping a state and the input alphabet to the next state" should not be taking the input alphabet as input? That would make sense to me, but I've learned about Moore machines only recently. Janmanuel (talk) 20:58, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Moore and Mealy Equivalence
It is NOT neccesserily wrong to consider the label of the target state as the output of the transition. It depends solely on whether your input signal is synchronous or asynchronous, which means that the output will be synchronous or asynchronous, respectively. Johnplusb (talk) 23:08, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Application of theory
Being a programmer I fail to see in what way this theory help design anything any better? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.165.138.185 (talk) 05:29, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Creemore Springs

Microbrewery
When the first sentence says "Creemore Springs was a microbrewery located in...", it instantly suggests that the brewery no longer exists. While I understand that the original author was trying to imply that Creemore is no longer considered a "microbrewery" (due to their ownership structure and level of production), I don't think that was the best way to word it. As a result, I changed the first sentence to "Creemore Springs is a brewery...". --Firefox444 (talk) 22:43, 23 January 2014 (UTC) A user apparently close to the subject of this article removed a sentence and its associated citation dealing with public response to the brewery's new logo. I have replaced this deleted content with a brief reference to the controversy, and a contemporaneous citation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.239.127.210 (talk) 17:26, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

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Information we need in this article 1) Anual volume 2) Split of volume by major package type (bottle, can, keg) 3) History of the company before the Molson aquistion and since. --Kevin Argudin 16:42 Oct 12 2006 (EST)

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Okotoks Erratic

Okotoks Erratic (also known as either Big Rock or, in Blackfoot, as Okotok) is a 16,500-tonne (18,200-ton) boulder that lies on the otherwise flat, relatively featureless, surface of the Canadian Prairies in Alberta. It is part of the 930 km Foothills Erratics Train of typically angular boulders of distinctive quartzite and pebbly quartzite.

This massive angular boulder, which is broken into two main pieces, measures about 135 by and is 30 ft high. It consists of thick-bedded, micaceous, feldspathic quartzite that is light grey, pink, to purplish. Besides having been extensively fractured by frost action, it is unweathered. Big Rock lies about 5 mi west of the town of Okotoks, Alberta, Canada, 11 mi south of Calgary in the SE. 1/4 of Sec. 21, Township 20, Range 1, West 5th Meridian.

Big Rock is a glacial erratic that is part of a 580 mi long, narrow (0.62 to 13.7 mi wide), linear scatter of thousands of distinctive quartzite and pebbly quartzite glacial erratics between 1 ft and 135 ft in length. This linear scatter of distinctive quartzite glacial erratics is known as the Foothills Erratics Train. The Foothills Erratics Train extends along the eastern flanks of the Rocky Mountains of Alberta and northern Montana to the International Border. The boulders and smaller gravel, which comprises the Foothills Erratics Train, consist of Lower Cambrian shallow marine quartzite and conglomeratic quartzite, which occurs only within the Gog Group and is found in the Athabasca River Valley of central western Alberta. Big Rock is the largest erratic within the Foothills Erratics Train. Lying on prairie to the east of the Rocky Mountains and like all the larger erratics. it is visible for a considerable distance across the prairie and, likely served as a prominent landmark for Indigenous people.

Geologic history
Near the end of the Pleistocene Period, between 12,000 and 17,000 years ago, a massive landslide occurred within the upper reaches of the Athabasca River valley. As a result of this landslide, millions of tonnes of beige to pinkish quartzite and quartzitic conglomerate slid from the side of a mountain and onto the top of a valley glacier within the Athabasca River valley. On its top, the narrow valley glacier carried eastward this mass of Gog Group quartzite and quartzitic conglomerate. Because it lay on and within the top of this glacier, the highly fractured boulders were neither broken up into smaller blocks nor rounded by movement of the glaciers that transported it. After leaving the Rocky Mountains, the valley glacier collided with the westward moving ice streams of the Laurentide Ice Sheet and both it, other Rocky Mountain valley glaciers, and Laurentide ice streams coalesced as ice streams and were diverted southward and parallel to the eastern flanks of the Rocky Mountains. Together they flowed as far south as northern Montana as an ice sheet before they stagnated and melted. When the ice sheet melted, erratics of Gog quartzite and quartzitic conglomerate were dropped to form the line of rocks known as the Foothills Erratics Train. Big Rock is one of these glacial erratics of Gog quartzite and quartzitic conglomerate that originated as part of a landslide in the Athabasca River valley and carried on the top of a glacier, later ice stream, to its present site.

History
The people of the Blackfoot First Nation used Big Rock as a landmark for finding a crossing over the Sheep River (where Okotoks stands today) long before European settlement. The town's name, Okotoks, is derived from "o'kotok", meaning "rock" in the Blackfoot language, and may refer to the rock. The rock also contains native pictographs and was considered a medicine rock to the natives. In the 1970s the government declared it a Provincial Historic Site to protect its geological and cultural importance.

James Hector, a geologist with the Palliser Expedition, first documented the rock in 1863. He misidentified the feature as a klippe.

Indigenous perspective
One interesting feature of Big Rock is the large split down the middle. A Blackfoot story describes how this may have happened:

One hot summer day, Napi, the supernatural trickster of the Blackfoot peoples, rested on the rock because the day was warm and he was tired. He spread his robe on the rock, telling the rock to keep the robe in return for letting Napi rest there. Suddenly, the weather changed and Napi became cold as the wind whistled and the rain fell. Napi asked the rock to return his robe, but the rock refused. Napi got mad and just took the clothing. As he strolled away, he heard a loud noise and turning, he saw the rock was rolling after him. Napi ran for his life. The deer, the bison and the pronghorn were Napi's friends, and they tried to stop the rock by running in front of it. The rock rolled over them. Napi's last chance was to call on the bats for help. Fortunately, they did better than their hoofed neighbours, and by diving at the rock and colliding with it, one of them finally hit the rock just right and it broke into two pieces.

Not only does this story explain why the rock is in two pieces, but also why bats have squashed-looking faces. The tale provides helpful caution against taking back what you have given away.

Present day
Although it has been claimed to be the largest glacial erratic in the world, e.g. Sterenberg (2013), Big Rock is not. For example, one large glacial erratic in Germany measures 2 by and is 30 ft thick. Near Cooking Lake, Alberta, one of several large glacial erratics, which is called the Cooking Lake (Number 6) megablock, covers an area of at least 4 sqmi, has a length of 2.5 mi and is about 33 ft thick. Pollen studies indicate that the Lower Cretaceous sedimentary strata that comprise this glacial erratic were transported a minimum distance of about 160 mi.

Big Rock is located along the side of Highway 7, and public parking is available at the turn-off. Despite the presence of a fence around Big Rock and a sign telling people not to climb, many tourists, who visit the rock, ignore the warnings to either boulder or climb the 30 ft tall erratic.

In popular culture
Big Rock Brewery in Calgary is named after Big Rock.

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