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Talk:SeaMonkey

Allizom
Why (does) Allizom redirects here, but there's nothing about Allizom in this article?--Kakurady 01:00, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for adding that, though I like Allizom better (but that should go to ) ^n_n^ --Kakurady 15:12, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

If I may say so, why does "Allizom" need to be referenced in the article at all? It was just an unimportant joke irrelevant to the software. --Andrew T. 04:33, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Seamonkeys aim
Was wondering if you should add their aim stated on seamonkeys website.

"The SeaMonkey project is a community effort to deliver production-quality releases of code derived from the application formerly known as "Mozilla Application Suite". Whereas the main focus of the Mozilla Foundation is on Mozilla Firefox and Mozilla Thunderbird, our group of dedicated volunteers works to ensure that you can have "everything but the kitchen sink" — and have it stable enough for corporate use."

 * ~thanks, but who included the above comment & quote, it's unsigned-- unless its supposed to be the author for the following comment, Numbers, etcFairlylowtekk (talk) 19:37, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Numbers make me happy
Any info on how many downloads, etc.? I know that FireFox prides itself in having 1M downloads on the first day, 10M in the first ten days, among other milestones. I can't find this information superficially. --RealGrouchy 23:53, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

We've had the ability to track download counts for about 6 days, though we shipped about 9 days ago (so unfortunately we don't have numbers for the first ~3 days). In the past ~6 days, there have been about 30,000 downloads through the download.mozilla.org links (we can't count downloads if you go directly to the FTP server). --CTho 23:22, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and the information isn't readily available - getting download counts currently requires asking a sysadmin, which is why RealGrouchy couldn't find it. --CTho 23:25, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Merge
I am for the merge, however, which should remain the title page. There are arguments for both.

 * In favor of SeaMonkey remaining the title: SeaMonkey is the current incarnation of Mozilla Application Suite. Therefore, it should remain the title, with a section on Mozilla Application Suite.

 * In favor of Mozilla Application Suite remaining title: This was the original name of the product. Therefore, that is its name, which makes it the article title.  Make a section on SeaMonkey.--Ljlego 21:33, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
 * From the marketing point of view, Mozilla Suite and SeaMonkey are different products. Technically, it's a fork. Different products maintained by different people have separate articles, even if they share the same codebase. - Sikon 14:04, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No, SeaMonkey is not a fork of Mozilla. It's the same code sitting on the same servers as before, only now branded as SeaMonkey, and it's actually maintained by many of the same people that Mozilla was. But it is a different product distinct from Mozilla, so yes, it should have its own article. -- Schapel 18:40, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I am against the merge. Mozilla Suite should remain for historical reasons. --65.19.87.53 18:41, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I too think they should have separate articles. As mentioned above, they are different products. It's not the same as when Phoenix became Firebird became Firefox, is it? `Zozart .chat 20:21, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No, it certainly isn't. Pheonix was renamed Firebird and then to Firefox, but was always the same product from the same group and used the same versioning system. SeaMonkey is a different product from a different group and has a different versioning system. -- Schapel 04:46, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks like most people are for the merge, I am as well. Different Product, Different Marketing, clearer target audience, etc.  Lets leave the articles seperate! --Callek 00:12, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm certainly against. You should have mozilla page for historical reasons, with a section which gives a little information about SeaMonkey with a link to the main page. Although they are similar now, you won't want SeaMonkey 1,2,3 all on the Mozilla page in a couple of years! -- User:simongoldring 16:26, 26 March 2006 (GMT)
 * Completely agree with simongoldring. Mozilla is near to be defunct project, and its page will actually be history article. Seamonkey article may now depict almost the same product, but it is an ongoing project and who knows what will future up-to-date informations be. Anyway, if SM should be merged to Mozilla because of its heritage, think about how many browsers should then be merged to NCSA Mosaic? ;) --Arny 03:36, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Zero. - Sikon 04:36, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that they should be merged, with SeaMonkey the title, after the Mozilla Suite is done away with, if ever. Otherwise, no merge. ~Linuxerist L / T 14:55, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

I was reading that wiki wants to merge this with mozilla. I think if they are going to do that, they should make a mod section for all of the browsers built off mozilla. Anyone?

Faster & Tweaked
Keep the article on Sea Monkey. I just downloaded Sea Monkey and it's faster and less of a resource hog than Mozilla 1.7. with a lot of tweaking. Just a different animal. Noles1984 22:03, 29 March 2006 (UTC) ''FireFox 3.6 is out, now see which is faster. And also, this is an opinion that will not be incorporated.'' --6MonthsLeft (talk) 12:46, 8 May 2010 (UTC)Ian C.

What does it do?
There doesn't seem to be any mention here of what SeaMonkey actually does. Is is just Firefox+Thunderbird, or something similar to that, or is there anything else in the suite? HenryFlower 14:54, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I thought the first sentence covers that by saying it's an Internet suite. -- Schapel 15:55, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Yes but Schapel, internet suite is a fairly broad term. I'm also kind of confused as to what the difference here is between just downloading seperate apps and download seamonkey. Are the browsing capabilities just FF rebadged or what? The biggest section of this article is about the name! Seems the priorities are a bit messed up.--Santahul 03:25, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

 * More than half a year later, this article still fails to provide a meaningful description of what its subject is. In computer-geek terms, it's more like a "release notes" or "diff" page than a proper article. Considering that people coming to this article to learn what "Seamonkey" is are not likely to know about Mozilla Application Suite, and that MAS appears to be defunct, which means no one is reading about it anew even in the trade press, this is a serious flaw. (We don't go to Persian Empire to learn about Iran, after all.) Can the editors of this article take a few moments to rectify this basic problem? Thanks. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 18:55, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

 * Jeff, you are quite right. There: I fixed it. Simple enough. Hope you like it. If you don't, please feel free to amend / add / enhance it. Regards, --AVM 15:09, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the other posters. After reading the article thoroughly, I still don't really "get it". Also, after looking at the internet suite page, I don't even get a full understanding of what that is either... 80.47.117.229 (talk) 09:49, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

SeaMonkey project hidden?
In the Products page, accessible from the front page of http://mozilla.org, SeaMonkey is hidden, and instead, the older Mozilla Suite is shown. Are they trying to hide something? Same issue with their downloads page. —Tokek 13:09, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I've filed bug 335249 and bug 335376 on the issues you mention, but nobody has done anything yet. -- Schapel 15:09, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure. As SeaMonkey is not officially supported. --minghong 02:42, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Camino also isn't a Mozilla product, but it's listed on the Featured Products and Downloads pages. -- Schapel 12:37, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Seamonkey is now prominently displayed at http://www.mozilla.org/products/ .-- Mumia-w-18 16:36, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
Somebody please protect this page. I think someone vandalized it, because I saw an inappropriate picture when I visited this article. Interestingly enough, when I logged in and viewed the page, the picture was gone. Emanla Eraton 20:05, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Features etc - we need more details
As mentioned earlier in the discussion, this article is very vague as to what the software actually does, it just says "internet suite". A more in-depth section about exactly what it can and can't do seems obvious as I'm still unsure myself after reading this article. It would also be nice to know how SeaMonkey works alongside Firefox, Thunderbird etc. For example, is the built-in web browser just rebadged Firefox or is it a browser in its own right based on Mozilla? This article spends more time discussing the name than anything else.--Santahul 13:42, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, much material needs to be copied over from the MAS article, so that this article stands more on its own. Right now, it is written assuming that the reader is already knowledgeable about the [Mozilla Application Suite]. 69.87.193.176 12:37, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

SeaMonkey 1.1 might be released soon
On their FTP-server they have a new folder holding candidates for the SeaMonkey 1.1 release, see here. Usually they release these candidates one or two weeks later. --Denniss 19:03, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Is it proprietary software?
In the Licensing section of the Mozilla Firefox article it is stated that the binaries of Firefox are proprietary because of Talkback. The FSF sees also other issues and therefore did a fork but »Google and Mozilla developers are working on Airbag, an open-source replacement for Talkback, that will allow official Firefox builds to be entirely free of proprietary software.« Now what about SeaMonkey and Thunderbird? If there is no opposition, I will remove all the »free ...« categories an add -- mms 15:33, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Only trunk builds have Talkback installed at the moment, so official SeaMonkey releases are entirely free of proprietary software. -- Schapel 15:41, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Portable?
Is there a portable version of SeaMonkey? It would be helpful if the article mentioned this. 69.87.193.176 12:33, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Because of the way configuration files are handled, it is difficult to make a generic portable version of SeaMonkey. There is no U3 version. We can only hope that future versions are designed to facilitate portability. 69.87.193.176 14:19, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That statement is very misleading, since it implies that SeaMonkey is not portable across operating systems; whereas what it really means is that it cannot be easily used by putting it on a USB disk and using it on multiple computers of the same operating system (eg, MS Windows). I'm removing that line from the article. --Mike 07:55, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * There is now a SeaMonkey, Portable Edition which seems to be similar to Mozilla Firefox, Portable Edition. I guess that it should be mentioned somewhere. (Stefan2 (talk) 08:28, 9 September 2011 (UTC))

Alternative Images
Here are all available Images (mostly screenshots).

At the moment these may not be useful but if the article get expanded they could be. Kc4 17:15, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Plugins/Plugin Repository
Does anyone know of any plugins for SeaMonkey? FireFox's power seems to be in its ability to integrate plugins, but I really haven't seen much for SeaMonkey. samwaltz 20:14, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Those are called add-ons — extensions and themes. See SeaMonkey Add-ons at AMO. Also, many extensions support multiple host programs.
 * Firefox is capitalized “Firefox” or “firefox”, not “FireFox”.
 * Wikipedia is not a place for such questions, but I guess I will add the link to the article.
 * --AVRS 20:28, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, and plug-ins are binary libraries mostly used to play multimedia et al. formats in a page. --AVRS 20:29, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

SpiderMonkey+Tamarin+ActionScript = ActionMonkey
http://wiki.mozilla.org/JavaScript:ActionMonkey - No article here exists yet. Wikipedia is slacking! :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.215.164.97 (talk) 06:59, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

About bugs or faulty support: small edit war
I object to User:Adahan's assertion (sic) "rv (Wikipedia is not the place to air your personal grievances about SeaMonkey. Use the newsgroups or Bugzilla to report bugs. See WP:NOR and WP:V))" , and his reverting my edits for mysterious reasons.

FIRST, I hold no grievances at all toward an admirable piece of software that I use daily and depend on for my work. In fact, I started using the original Mozilla browser ever since it appeared, and have not used Microsoft's Internet Explorer for years. As a proof that I'm fully in favor of it, I can say that I'm the one who expanded the article's lead to include a text on "What does it do?" after a complaint by User:Jeffq, thus:

More than half a year later, this article still fails to provide a meaningful description of what its subject is. (see the preceding paragraph in this discussion)

SECOND, I provided a reference (which he erased) about the PDF problem, taken from the same source he mentions: the Mozilla Newsgroup. Hence, no "Original research". In other words, it's not only me: several people have encountered problems when trying to open a .pdf file link from within Seamonkey. Moreover, the problem mentioned could not be more easily verifiable.

THIRD: Why does User:Adahan so stubbornly deny that bugs still do exist? It looks like it's him who is taking any less-than-favorable comment about Seamonkey as a personal grievance. Which it is not.

Regards, --AVM (talk) 21:51, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

 * What's so "mysterious" about my edits? I gave clear reasons why I reverted your changes each time.  I don't see how you could miss those when you even quoted one of them.

 * Re: FIRST: I'm not denying that you use and are in favor of SeaMonkey, but how can you say that you have no grievances with it when you keep trying to add two of them to the article? Are you misinterpreting the word "grievance" to mean something else?

 * Re: SECOND: First of all, that was from the MozillaZine forums, not the newsgroups. Second of all, when did I even say that a newsgroup post would be a valid source?  I asked you to take your griping about it there instead of here, but I didn't say anything about it being used as a source.  Third of all, that MozillaZine thread only shows that most people do not have the problem you're ranting about, which only weakens your argument further.  Finally, you have yet to provide proof that the problem lies with SeaMonkey as opposed to Acrobat or Windows.  In fact, the bug report that you never bothered to link to shows that the bug is UNCONFIRMED, meaning that the testers have not even verified that it is an actual bug yet.  That is far from being a significant, well-known SeaMonkey problem worthy of being mentioned in the article.

 * Re: THIRD: Where in the world are you getting that I don't think any bugs exist? Although the developers are doing a great job at keeping things in order, there are always hundreds of open bug reports at any given time for each Mozilla product (or any other software project of that size, for that matter).  Not once did I ever deny that, so please quit it with the false assumptions.  Now, out of all those bugs, what makes you think that your bugs are more important than the others to the point where they deserve a mention and the others don't?

 * The bottom line here is that I think you are attempting to use the SeaMonkey article to artificially inflate the importance of your "pet bugs" in hopes that they will get fixed. Not only is that improper use of Wikipedia, but it will also get you nowhere, because the SeaMonkey developers and testers are highly unlikely to even notice this article.  If you want those bugs to be fixed, follow up on their bug reports with useful information on the problem rather than polluting the Wikipedia article with them, then acting rude toward those who revert your changes.  --Adahan (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 10:22, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

 * --Touché. I found this discussion to be highly educational. Thanks. (Whew!) --AVM (talk) 18:07, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

seamonkey council
I resigned from the council. Someone might want to update the list of members (we're actually restructuring the leadership a bit - someone should probably stop by #seamonkey on irc.mozilla.org and get an update). --CTho (talk) 05:39, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Looks like Callek updated it. http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/seamonkey/archives/2008/01/seamonkey_counc.html --CTho (talk) 23:56, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Quibble: "Peacock term"
"Several of its ingenious features ... have been introduced into Microsoft's Internet Explorer 7." -- "Ingenious" is IMHO opinion and peacock. Perhaps "novel" or "innovative" or something else would be better. -- Writtenonsand (talk) 12:28, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Quibble: "Navigator" vs "Web browser"
"SeaMonkey ... consists of a Navigator which is a descendant of the Netscape family"

"Navigator" links directly to Web browser here. I believe that many Wikipedia users are likely to recognize the term "web browser" when they see it, but might not understand that "Navigator" here means "web browser". (Following on "yes, but what does it do?" above

I suggest that we change this to: "SeaMonkey ... consists of a web browser which is a descendant of the Netscape family ..." or to "SeaMonkey ... consists of the web browser, Navigator, which is a descendant of the Netscape family ..." (if that last is correct - I don't know myself.)

Or am I completely off the mark here? -- Writtenonsand (talk) 12:47, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Your last suggestion is the best. The browser is called Navigator, but it's best described as a Web browser. Chris Cunningham (talk) 12:59, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

GUI
Does anybody know why the Mozilla Application Suite (or at least later versions of it) used the Netscape 6 tool bar icons, while SeaMonkey uses the old-school Netscape Communicator icons? 80.42.220.53 (talk) 20:25, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Revision History
I'm not an expert in wiki formalities so I apologise if I'm incorrect in this matter but I don't believe that the revision history should be here. I think there is such a thing as too much detail. If this information is to be provided it should be summarised and describe differences between major releases as opposed to "bug fixes" which is quite meaningless. I think at the moment it has been put in simply as filler. If this article has more relevent information added (is edited to a state that can be regarded as "complete" or "full") then the revisions history should definitely be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.85.4.179 (talk) 09:55, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

 * Article updated. 121.210.170.141 (talk) 22:17, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

 * Version history restored on separate page. --DeTru711 (talk) 21:39, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

System requirements
Would be nice to have some indication of which operating system versions are supported, whether there's a minimum memory requirement, etc. AnonMoos (talk) 16:17, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Release History
Where did it go? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Reinnier (talk • contribs) 05:14, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

This discussion topic already exists (here). Please ask there. Luciform (talk) 09:04, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Where? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Reinnier (talk • contribs) 04:50, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Composer Is Dead
SeaMonkey composer is so full of bugs that were present in Netscape composer 12 years ago in 1998 (like the annoying right click does a select all) that I don't think that it is a) supported or b) used by anyone.

It is very, very, very much not what you see is what you get. Just like the .html e-mail in Thunderbird (which also has Netscape bugs circa 1998), it will very often show the author, for example, an all-Arial font page, then when looking at that mail on the computer of the recipient, or after saving it out to an .html file, you will see that it is chock full of words and lines of New Times Roman, and that anything that was cut and pasted in is painfully obvious to the viewer later on, because the fonts don't match, even though the author selected paste without formatting or repeatedly set all fonts to Arial.

This article should point out that one of the "components" of the Mozilla Suite is about as used, useful, and relevant as throwing in a copy of Windows 3.1. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.127.100.147 (talk) 07:36, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

I very much do not agree. Please state a version you tested and relevant bug reports you are reffering to. -current is 2.0.3-Minikola (talk) 11:49, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Describe needed references before tagging unreferenced
Describe needed references before tagging unreferenced. Please do not tag this article as unreferenced since there is a lot of references in it. If you have a problem with specific parts of the text, say what they are and references could be found for it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Minikola (talk • contribs) 11:46, 9 March 2010 (UTC) Minikola (talk) 11:50, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I would tend to disagree with you when you suggest 7 inline citations is a lot of references. The refimprove tag would of been better. I don't agree with the rating as WP:BCLASS as article doesn't cover subject completely, there is no summary in the lead and more citations are still needed. - Shiftchange (talk) 01:24, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

"Navigator"
The article currently uses the name "SeaMonkey Navigator" for the web browser part of SeaMonkey. However, I only see the word "Browser" in version 2.3.3 (when pointing the mouse at the earth globe icon at the bottom-left part of the window or when opening the "Window" menu from the menu bar). Have the names changed at some point? (Stefan2 (talk) 08:33, 9 September 2011 (UTC))
 * Furthermore, I see that the word "SeaMonkey" appear in the names of various components in this article (e.g. "SeaMonkey Composer"), but this word is not there in my copy of the product. Have names been changed, and if so, should the article be changed to reflect this? (Stefan2 (talk) 08:34, 9 September 2011 (UTC))
 * Probably more accurate without. - Shiftchange (talk) 09:16, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

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doesn't run on Mac OS Ventura
If only temporarily, this should be added. v2.9.1 "will open" but it is full of bugs and freezes - not ready for prime time 50.111.25.11 (talk) 12:54, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Is versions of SM that much behind Firefox?
Looking at the versions, the newest SM is still using circa 2017. Am I reading it wrong? Septagram (talk) 02:34, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

 * They're behind for sure. The devs are prioritizing back-porting security patches.
 * Early versions of Gecko were embeddable. That's how Camino worked and also kind of why it died when Mozilla killed embedding circa 2011. SeaMonkey switched to XULRunner (Gecko for standalone applications), but Mozilla dropped support in 2015 and XULRunner doesn't work beyond Firefox 52, which is where Pale Moon had to fork their code base. Firefox 57 was a major rewrite. I think SM's current target is to get all the features of Firefox 60 (2018) working smoothly. Rjjiii  (talk) 04:19, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Ouch! I guess this is why I keep getting "your browser is not supported" messages Septagram (talk) 18:13, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

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Polytan

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Company history
Polytan was founded in 1970 as Firl + Schretter Sportstättenbau in Neuburg an der Donau and, initially, installed polyurethane-bound in-situ synthetic surfaces for sports facilities.

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From 2007 to 2009, Polytan bought production and installation companies in Australia, Germany and France.

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Products
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Ricardo La Volpe

Ricardo Antonio La Volpe Guarchoni (born 6 February 1952) is an Argentine former professional footballer and manager. He is a World Cup-winning goalkeeper who played for most of his career in Argentina and Mexico.

As a coach, La Volpe was in charge of both the Mexico and Costa Rica national teams, coaching the former at the 2006 World Cup. As club manager at Atlante, the league title was won in the 1992–93 season.

On 22 April 2020, in an interview with David Faitelson, he announced his retirement from management.

Playing career
In Argentina, La Volpe played for Banfield and San Lorenzo. In Mexico he played for Atlante and Oaxtepec.

La Volpe made eight appearances with Argentina throughout his career. He was the reserve goalkeeper when they won the 1978 FIFA World Cup with Argentina.

Early career
Ricardo La Volpe began his career as a coach in the Mexican league in 1989, managing several teams such as Oaxtepec, Puebla, Atlante, Guadalajara, Querétaro, América, Atlas, Toluca, and Monterrey. Despite mixed results, La Volpe earned a reputation for his offensive style of football. He led Atlante to the 1992–1993 season championship and reached the league final with Atlas in 1999.

Mexico national team
In 2002, La Volpe was named coach of the Mexico national team. He led the team to win the 2003 CONCACAF Gold Cup. He qualified for the 2006 World Cup, as well as finishing in fourth place at the 2005 Confederations Cup, most notably defeating eventual champions Brazil in the group stage. With La Volpe at the helm, Mexico reached fourth place in the FIFA World rankings.

Also, under his leadership at the 2004 Copa América, Mexico managed to defeat Argentina for the first time in years but lost to Brazil in the quarterfinals. Mexico also lost in the 2005 CONCACAF Gold Cup quarterfinals to Colombia. Mexico was also eliminated at the 2004 Olympic Games after losing to South Korea in the group stage.

At the 2006 FIFA World Cup, Mexico finished second in their group, qualifying for the Round of 16 before going out 1–2 in extra time to Argentina. The Guardian named him Best Coach of the World Cup for his attitude.

Boca Juniors
After leaving the Mexico national team, he met with Boca Juniors officials on 24 July 2006. After several weeks of negotiation, it was agreed on 22 August that La Volpe would take over as Boca manager on 15 September, replacing Alfio Basile, who had been selected to manage the Argentina national team.

La Volpe had a bumpy start with Boca Juniors, including a 3–1 loss against arch-rivals River Plate on 8 October. On 12 October, Boca lost 3–1 to Uruguayan club Nacional on penalty kicks in the Copa Sudamericana, and so were out of the competition. Boca failed three times to claim the Apertura Championship in the final weeks of the season and then lost a playoff against Estudiantes. Keeping his word that he would quit if he lost, La Volpe resigned after the match. Later that year, he became the new Vélez Sársfield manager but did not stay in the job long. After watching his team suffer bruising defeats by River Plate and Boca Juniors in the Apertura 2007, and his team in 10th place, he resigned as coach.

Return to Mexico
In 2008, Ricardo La Volpe returned to Mexico as Monterrey's manager. After several days of speculation, the club's official website finally announced that it was replacing former manager Isaac Mizrahi. He had a bumpy start and didn't win until his fifth match. Monterrey finished the season in 8th place and had the league's leading goal scorer, Humberto Suazo. Monterrey's league would end in the semi-finals, where they were eliminated by Santos Laguna after an aggregate score of 3–3. Fans of Monterrey spoke highly of La Volpe for helping the team reach the playoffs again after two dismal seasons of not qualifying, including a last-place finish during the last tournament. In the Apertura 2008, the team would have a pretty good start, but ultimately fell apart towards the end of the tournament, placing Monterrey in the bottom of the table, hence not qualifying to the playoffs. After the disappointing tournament, the team did not offer the money La Volpe was looking for, and he decided to leave the team.

Return to Atlas
On 28 January 2009, La Volpe signed once again with Atlas. Fans of the team had been yearning for him to return to the squad, in which many said he had the most success. The tournament was unsuccessful, with the team failing to qualify for the playoffs and finishing 13th. On 18 November, the Argentine coach quit Atlas due to poor results and was replaced by Carlos Ischia.

Costa Rica
On 9 September 2010, the former Atlas coach became the new manager of Costa Rica, replacing interim coach Rónald González. The Argentine had initially been signed until July 2014, however, poor performance during the 2011 Gold Cup and 2011 Copa América, ended his contract prematurely on 11 August 2011.

Guadalajara
La Volpe was named Guadalajara manager after a 4–0 loss against América with just four games to go in the tournament. After a win against Pachuca on his debut, he finished the league with a draw and 2 losses. However, on 30 April 2014, La Volpe was fired by Vergara after a female staff member alleged improper behavior by La Volpe toward her, resulting in a lawsuit.

América
Following the sacking of Club América's manager Ignacio Ambríz, La Volpe was announced as manager on 22 September 2016. Just two days after becoming manager, they defeated Universidad Nacional, 2–1. He led América towards a strong final stretch at the end of 2016, culminating with a fourth-place finish at the FIFA Club World Cup and finishing runners-up in the Apertura championship match against Tigres UANL.

Although contributing by debuting major prospects such as Diego Lainez and Edson Álvarez, La Volpe and America decided to part ways after a lackluster Clausura 2017 where America failed to qualify to the playoffs for the first time since 2011.

Influence
La Volpe's philosophy, style of play, and attitude referred to as "Lavolpismo," has played a considerable role in the evolution of tactics and strategy in Mexican league football. Coaches who have studied under and continue to use a modified version of his style of play and philosophy are referred to as "Lavolpistas". Notable managers directly influenced by La Volpe include Miguel Herrera, José Guadalupe Cruz, Rubén Omar Romano, Hernan Cristante, Jose Saturnino Cardozo and Sergio Bueno.

Criticism
During Mexico's first group-stage match in the 2006 World Cup against Iran, La Volpe was seen chain-smoking in the dugout, leading to an official warning from FIFA that he was not allowed to smoke in the competition area. La Volpe responded by telling FIFA's executives that he would "rather give up football than smoking", although he later consented.

He has also had clashes with the press. During a press conference at the 2006 World Cup, La Volpe told a journalist: "¡Fuera de mi vista! No saben nada. No me rompan los huevos, idiotas." ["Get out of my face! You know nothing. Don't bust my balls, you idiots."]

He has odd superstitions some which include wearing a lucky tie, performing "oriental" rituals and avoiding shaking the opposing manager's hand prior to or after the game.

Player
Banfield
 * Primera B Metropolitana: 1973

Argentina
 * FIFA World Cup: 1978

Manager
Atlante
 * Primera División de México: 1992–93
 * CONCACAF Champions' Cup runner-up: 1994

Atlas
 * Pre-Libertadores tournament: 2000
 * Liga MX runner-up: 1999

Boca Juniors
 * Primera División runner-up: 2006 Apertura

América
 * Liga MX runner-up: 2016–17 Apertura

Mexico
 * CONCACAF Gold Cup: 2003

Mexico U23
 * CONCACAF Olympic Qualifying Championship: 2004

Costa Rica
 * Copa Centroamericana runner-up: 2011

Individual
 * Primera División de México Best Manager:1992–93

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Northern Eagles

The Northern Eagles were a rugby league team that competed in the National Rugby League (NRL) between 2000 and 2002. The club was formed during the rationalisation process of the NRL by forming a joint venture with the North Sydney Bears and the Manly Warringah Sea Eagles in 2000. The team shared home games between Brookvale Oval and Central Coast Stadium, Gosford, New South Wales.

Little success was had during three seasons (2000-2002), finishing 12th, 10th, and 9th, winning 30 of 76 games. Also, the new club's decision to play games in Gosford instead of the Bears home ground at North Sydney Oval alienated many North Sydney fans, despite North Sydney's planned move to the new Central Coast Stadium, which had been rebuilt for the Bears on the site of the old Grahame Park ground. In spite of this, the club provided more players for the 2001 State of Origin series' New South Wales team than any other club. The partnership folded in 2002, with Manly emerging as the stand-alone entity as the licence revert to them. The 2002 season was played under the Northern Eagles name, although effectively the club was the Manly Warringah Sea Eagles by another name due to Manly managing all affairs and pocketing all of the money offered by the NRL as an incentive to form joint ventures. Halfway through the season, the Eagles even abandoned playing games at Gosford, due to a sharp decline in attendances. The people of Gosford preferred to wait until a home-grown team was based there. The Manly Warringah Sea Eagles name and colours returned to the NRL in 2003.

North Sydney now field a team in the NSW Cup, the competition immediately below NRL level, as a standalone club. They previously had feeder deals with both the South Sydney Rabbitohs and the Sydney Roosters. There are plans to again be part of the NRL in coming years as the Central Coast Bears or Perth Bears.

Home grounds
The Northern Eagles shared their home games between Brookvale Oval in Sydney and Grahame Park in Gosford. The record attendance for the club was 20,059 for the club's opening game against the Newcastle Knights at Grahame Park on 6 February 2000. The record attendance for the club at Brookvale Oval was 14,521 against Cronulla on 21 July 2002.

Players
A total of sixty nine players played for the club. Steve Menzies played the most games for the club, with 69 caps.

New South Wales

 * Geoff Toovey (2000)
 * Adam Muir (2000–01)
 * Steve Menzies (2001–02)
 * Brett Kimmorley (2001)

NSW City

 * Steve Menzies (2001)

NSW Country

 * Brett Kimmorley (2001)

Club records
Biggest win
 * 28 points, 30–2 against Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks at Brookvale Oval on 18 March 2000

Biggest loss
 * 58 points, 10–68 against New Zealand Warriors at Ericsson Stadium on 14 April 2002

Most consecutive wins
 * 2 matches, 21–26 February 2000
 * 2 matches, 23–29 April 2000
 * 2 matches, 25 June – 2 July 2000
 * 2 matches, 22–28 April 2001
 * 2 matches, 23–29 June 2002
 * 2 matches, 4–11 August 2002

Most consecutive losses
 * 4 matches, 25 March – 15 April 2000
 * 4 matches, 9–30 July 2000
 * 4 matches, 25 August 2001 – 30 March 2002

Most points in a season
 * Ben Walker – 279 (18 tries, 103 goals, 1 field goal) in 2001

Record attendance
 * 20,059 vs Newcastle Knights at NorthPower Stadium, 6 February 2000
 * 14,521 vs Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks at Brookvale Oval, 21 July 2002

Post 2003
Since the Northern Eagles folded at the end of 2002, Manly and North Sydney have gone their separate ways.

Manly officially returned to the NRL in 2003 (playing out of Brookvale Oval, though they played at least two games per season in Gosford until 2015) and have since played in four NRL Grand Finals (2007, 2008, 2011 and 2013), winning the premiership in 2008 and 2011.

North Sydney began playing in the NSW Cup (formerly known as Reserve Grade) at their traditional base, North Sydney Oval, where they are the feeder team to the Sydney Roosters. Before this, Norths were the feeder team for South Sydney from 2007 to 2018. As of 2014, there have been several attempts for the Bears to come back into the NRL by being based at the Central Coast, North Sydney, Perth, Gold Coast and Brisbane. Former North Sydney internationals Greg Florimo and David Fairleigh play a prominent role in the club's push to join the NRL. So far they have failed to gain a licence to re-enter the NRL with the latest push of buying the Manly Sea Eagles licence from Penn Sports for $6,000,000 after a failed attempt by Qatar to buy Manly for $22,000,000 a week earlier.

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Glory Road (film)

Glory Road is a 2006 American sports drama film directed by James Gartner, based on a true story surrounding the events leading to the 1966 NCAA University Division Basketball Championship. Don Haskins portrayed by Josh Lucas, head coach of Texas Western College (now known as University of Texas at El Paso or UTEP), coached a team with an all-black starting lineup, a first in NCAA history. Glory Road explores racism, discrimination and student athletics. Supporting actors Derek Luke and Jon Voight also star in principal roles.

The film was a co-production between the motion picture studios of Walt Disney Pictures, Jerry Bruckheimer Films, Texas Western Productions, and Glory Road Productions. It was commercially distributed by Buena Vista Pictures theatrically and by the Buena Vista Home Entertainment division for the video rental market. It premiered in theaters nationwide in the United States on January 13, 2006, grossing $42,938,449 in box office business despite generally mixed reviews from critics. Glory Road was nominated for a number of awards including the Humanitas Prize; the film won the 2006 ESPY Award for Best Sports Movie.

On January 10, 2006, the original motion picture soundtrack was released by the Hollywood Records music label. The soundtrack was composed and orchestrated by musician Trevor Rabin. The DVD release, featuring theatrical trailers, extended interviews with players and colleagues of coach Haskins, and deleted scenes, among other highlights, was released in the U.S. on June 6, 2006.

Plot
Don Haskins is the newly wed men's basketball coach at Texas Western College in El Paso, Texas. Lacking necessary financial resources, he makes an effort to recruit the best players regardless of race to form a team that can compete for a national championship. Some of the young men he brings in possess skill, but are raw in talent when it comes to organized teamwork focusing on defense and ball distribution. In the end, his Texas Western Miners team comprises seven black and five white athletes; a balance that raises eyebrows among university personnel. Haskins puts his players through a rigorous training program, threatening to cut anyone who doesn't work as hard as he demands, while trying to integrate his players into a single team.

Following initial victories against mediocre local teams, Haskins quickly discovers that he has to give his black players more free room on the court. Yet, the more victories his team achieves with its flamboyant style, up until this point rarely seen in college basketball, the more racial hatred mounts on his squad. This culminates in threats to his own family, the beating of a player while on the road and ultimately the vandalism of his team's motel rooms by racists while they are at an away game. Increasingly frightened, the team loses its last game of the regular season after the black players stop playing with passion. Thus, the Texas Western Miners finish the 1966 regular season with a 23–1 record, entering the 1966 NCAA tournament ranked second in the nation.

Going on to the NCAA final, played at College Park, Maryland, they take on the top-ranked University of Kentucky under legendary coach Adolph Rupp. Rupp, with a well-organized and more experienced all-white Wildcats squad, firmly believes that his opponent stands no chance. On the eve of the decisive game, Haskins decides to experiment with a bold strategy, informing his team that he intends to start an all-black lineup in the game, and also only using the two other black players in the rotation.

In the midst of seemingly insurmountable odds, Texas Western encounters mounting problems with forward and team captain Harry Flournoy leaving the game with an injury, and their center David Lattin in foul trouble. In a close game, the Miners narrowly lead at halftime, but finally manage to beat Kentucky 72–65 with some impressive steals, rebounding and passing techniques in the second half. The film ends with the players exiting the plane that brought them back to El Paso to the greeting of a raucous crowd.

Cast

 * Josh Lucas as Don Haskins
 * Derek Luke as Bobby Joe Hill
 * Austin Nichols as Jerry Armstrong
 * Jon Voight as Adolph Rupp
 * Evan Jones as Moe Iba
 * Schin A.S. Kerr as David Lattin
 * Alphonso McAuley as Orsten Artis
 * Mehcad Brooks as Harry Flournoy
 * Sam Jones III as Willie Worsley
 * Damaine Radcliff as Willie Cager
 * Emily Deschanel as Mary Haskins
 * Al Shearer as Nevil Shed
 * Red West as Ross Moore
 * Tatyana Ali as Waltina "Tina" Malichi
 * Wilbur Fitzgerald as Wade Richardson
 * David Dino Wells Jr. as John Anderson

Development
Glory Road was inspired by a true story, as described by Texas Western's head coach Don Haskins in his autobiography of the same title, a national bestseller released in 2005 by Hyperion Books. The book details Haskins' early life as a player (including a one-on-one game against a black friend that opened his eyes) and women's basketball coach. Like the film, it then focuses on the 1966 Texas Western men's basketball team and the aftermath of the championship. It was reprinted five times in its first four months of release and was selected as an "Editor's Choice" by the New York Times Book Review. Additionally, Glory Road is the name of a street on the UTEP campus near the Sun Bowl which was renamed to commemorate the 1966 NCAA championship.

Later asked about his decision to start five black players, Haskins downplayed the significance of his decision. "I really didn't think about starting five black guys. I just wanted to put my five best guys on the court. I just wanted to win the game." Though credited with advancing the desegregation of college basketball teams in the South, he wrote in his book "I certainly did not expect to be some racial pioneer or to change the world."

Dunking was banned in the NCAA from 1967 to 1976, not the least due to the success of the Texas Western team and UCLA player Lew Alcindor (better known later as Kareem Abdul-Jabbar), who was just then becoming NCAA varsity eligible.

Next to the closing credits, scenes from interviews with some of the real-life players from the team are shown, including one player from the opposing University of Kentucky team beaten by Texas Western in the NCAA finals, NBA head coach Pat Riley. The real-life Don Haskins was cast as an extra in the film as a gas station attendant, and David Lattin was cast as an extra as a military bartender.

The players on the 1966 team were David Lattin, Bobby Joe Hill, Willie Cager, Willie Worsley, Jerry Armstrong, Orsten Artis, Nevil Shed, Harry Flournoy, Togo Railey, Louis Baudoin, Dick Myers, and David Palacio. The team was nominated in its entirety for the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame, and was inducted on September 7, 2007, ten years after coach Don Haskins had already been enshrined.

The movie skipped a crucial game that Texas Western had played. On March 18, 1966, the Miners defeated Utah 85–78 in the Final Four to advance to the national championship game the following night. In the movie the team played against Kansas in the regional final and the following game was the national championship, which is incorrect. In addition, it depicts the sequence of Hill stealing possessions from Kentucky twice in a row as if Kentucky was leading by four, rather than the real result of it leading to the Miners leading 16-11 (incidentally, Texas Western never trailed for the rest of the game).

Filming
Several scenes in this movie were filmed at the University of Texas at El Paso (UTEP), which is the former Texas Western College, and El Paso High School in El Paso, Texas. Other scenes were filmed at Southeastern Louisiana University in Hammond, Louisiana, Jesuit High School and Douglas High School, formerly F. T. Nicholls High School, in New Orleans, Louisiana, and Chalmette High School in Chalmette, Louisiana. The IHOP scene was filmed in the old Airline Motors Diner on Airline Highway just west of New Orleans. The school shown for the girls' basketball game in Fort Worth, Texas at the beginning of the film is actually the front of El Paso High School, as shown by the engraving on the top of the columns. The lunchroom basketball trash can scene was filmed at Booker T. Washington High School, the first high school built in New Orleans for African-Americans. Towards the beginning of the film for the shot of Texas Western College, the Wells Fargo Plaza and the Chase Bank Building in downtown El Paso can be seen in the top left corner. The Wells Fargo Plaza was not completed until 1971, and the Chase Bank Building was still the Texas Commerce Bank building until the early 1990s. In addition, Ralph Strangis (the former Dallas Stars play-by-play announcer) had a small speaking role as a courtside broadcaster. Ben Affleck was the original choice for the role of coach Don Haskins, but had to drop out of the filming due to prior commitments. NBA point guard Kirk Hinrich was offered a role in the film, but chose not to participate "because of time constraints".

During the scene of the Texas Western-Seattle University basketball game broadcast the announcers inadvertently used the call letters WTSM, which is an FM radio sports station from Tallahassee, Florida instead of the El Paso station KTSM.

Controversy
Kentucky Wildcat fans and other Rupp supporters said the film at least implicitly portrayed UK coach Adolph Rupp as a racist, with such lines as Bobby Joe Hill's that Rupp would not have recruited him. Like other teams in the Southeastern Conference, Kentucky was all-white, but they were the first and for about a decade the only SEC team to regularly play inter-conference opponents with black players, starting in the 1950s, and took the place of Alabama (1956) and Mississippi State (1959, 1961) in the NCAA Tournament after their respective state legislatures or university leadership refused the invitations because of the possibility of playing against integrated squads. Starting in 1964, Rupp had recruited Kentuckians Wes Unseld and Butch Beard, along with eight other black players who received formal scholarship offers before Tom Payne in 1969 became University of Kentucky first black player. While doing so, he told them (just as Branch Rickey did to Jackie Robinson) about the racial difficulties they could expect in playing in the SEC, and Unseld and Beard went to Louisville instead.

In the game between East Texas State University, now known as Texas A&M University–Commerce, and Texas Western, East Texas State fans are shown throwing popcorn and drinks, and yelling racial epithets. In a later scene, racial slurs are shown painted onto the hotel rooms of the black Texas Western players. After verification that the events never took place, Texas A&M–Commerce asked for an apology from Disney and the makers of the film. Disney did not directly apologize; rather, it explained that the movie was not a documentary and that it had been necessary to consolidate events given the time limitations of the film, and that Disney did not intentionally set out to misrepresent any group and was sorry for any misunderstanding. The President of Texas A&M–Commerce said that, given the way the school was shown in the film, it was hard to believe that Disney could plausibly argue that the portrayal of the school was unintentional. The scene even prompted the Texas state senate to consider a bill which would allow financial assistance from the state to be withheld for films that portray the state negatively.

Soundtrack
On January 10, 2006, the soundtrack was released on the Hollywood Records label. The film score was orchestrated by musician Trevor Rabin and features music composed by various artists.

Home media
Following its release in theaters, separate widescreen and fullscreen editions of the motion picture were released on DVD in the United States on June 6, 2006. A UMD version of the film for the PlayStation Portable was also released on June 6, 2006.

A restored widescreen high definition Blu-ray version was released on October 17, 2006. Special features include backstage feature film: Audio commentary with producer Jerry Bruckheimer & director James Gartner; Audio commentary with screenwriters Chris Cleveland and Bettina Gilois; "Surviving Practice" – a featurette looking inside a typical grueling Haskins practice with former NBA star Tim Hardaway, and seamless menus.

Critical response
Among mainstream critics in the U.S., the film received mixed reviews. , the film holds a 55% approval rating on Rotten Tomatoes, based on 152 reviews, with an average score of 5.92/10. The consensus states, "As formulaic as sports movies get, this underdog story still triumphs on the strength of its inspiring story." At Metacritic, which assigns a weighted average out of 100 to critics' reviews, Glory Road received a score of 58 based on 33 reviews.

The film won the 2006 ESPY Award for Best Sports Movie. Furthermore, in 2006, Glory Road was nominated for the Humanitas Prize. In 2007, the film garnered nominations for Best Screenplay, Adapted or Original and Best Original or Adapted Song from the Black Reel Awards.

Box office
The film became a box office number-one in the U.S. grossing $16,927,589 on its opening weekend, yet was only released straight to DVD or just shown on TV in some countries that have no connection to college basketball. The film grossed a total of $42,938,449 worldwide.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Language of dna

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. — Xezbeth 08:15, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)

Language of dna
Original research. Much of the article is from this webpage, which doesn't seem to be particularly neutral or research-based. Joyous 05:48, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)
 * It also seems to be based heavily on this press release, which is trying to sell a vaguely-defined product from this company. Delete as original research. --TenOfAllTrades (talk/contrib) 06:15, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. -- Toytoy 07:14, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete; original research/nonsense. See  which gives a paper in the Journal of Theoretical Biology which would be a better starting point for such an article. Dunc|☺ 19:53, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I'll give you the abstract: DNA sequences usually involve local construction rules that affect different scales. As such their may not follow Zipf's law (a power law) which is followed in every natural language. Indeed, analysis of many DNA sequences suggests that no linguistics connections to DNA exist and that even though it has structure DNA is not a language, Computer simulations and a biological approach to this problem further support these results. Dunc|☺ 20:08, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, unless changed into a discussion of studies into its non linguistic nature.     22:39, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as an original research copyvio. Shouldn't we blank the page and throw up the copyvio tag? func (talk) 19:58, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Nonsense - unencyclopedic language. --Ian Pitchford 14:35, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, nonsense. --nixie 04:11, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages.  Please do not edit this page .