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Talk:Actors' Equity Association

Spelling of "Theater"
I saw that "theater" had two different spellings on the page and changed them all to "theater", then I saw that someone else had recently specifically changed some (but not all) from "theater" to "theatre". While I prefer the American spelling for this article about this American organization, I don't really feel it's that big a deal which spelling is chosen, but I do more strongly feel that it should be spelled the same way throughout the article.Danorton (talk) 18:23, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The spelling for the actors' art should be "Theatre", and for the building should be "Theater". See this interesting discussion on the origins of US/English spellings, thanks to Noah Webster: . JohnClarknew (talk) 01:32, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The "Kodak Theatre" on Hollywood Boulevard has it written thus, hewn in stone. Which seems to settle it once and for all. JohnClarknew (talk) 23:05, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Changes Reverted
I'm reverting two changes:

 * The union infobox was deleted without comment - why?
 * Also restoring "Mark Zimmerman" as President - Patrick Quinn recently died and Zimmerman was elected to the position.

--Chancemichaels 15:20, 6 October 2006 (UTC)Chancemichaels

A minor point just to complete the history above - Patrick Quinn resigned as president to become executive director. AEA press release JoanR 16:04, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Neutrality
Regarding the addition of the NPOV box: This page seems to be extremely sympathetic of the organization to a fault. It describes opposition as exerting "iron-fisted dominance", and hails it with such weasel-wording as having "refused to bend to the will of the industry bosses". It then features a quote from Richard Masur which seems to serve little purpose besides point out that the AEA was particularly brave and noble in this endeavor, hardly an addition for an ideally NPOV section. I personally know about as little about the history of theatre as one can know, and even without any preconceptions to the contrary, this article still seems inappropriately biased and aggrandizing in favor of the AEA. Either the wording should be made more neutral, or the calims better justified by a more detailed history of the events at hand; as-is, not even links to article about events like the "famous strike" exist, much less summaries on the AEA page. MrWallet 23:22, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

 * The offending phrases have been taken out, so I have removed the POV template. The Masur quote still needs to be cited, as does the article in general. --GentlemanGhost 16:15, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree-I can attest from working with a small theater company that there is a severe downside to AE69.9.28.202 04:05, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Present Day
The article is 95% on the history of the organization and not on the present day role of union, including the benefits of being a union member, etc. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 199.111.85.50 (talk) 14:46, 15 March 2007 (UTC).

 * And its downsides. In general, the impact (both good and bad; both in and out of New York) of Equity on American theatre is an important topic in understanding it.  67.172.93.9 23:23, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * What is a good published source to gain a balanced understanding of Equity? If there is no source for a balanced approach, then what are the most reputable sources for criticism and support of Equity? Online sources of articles discussing these matters would be best. Keep in mind that this is an encyclopedic article and not an opinion piece, so the article cannot take a position, it must remain neutral or Wiki will shut it down. If all opinions can be presented fairly and accurately, in a balanced description, and properly referenced to reputable published sources, the article might be well received. I don't think this is a good forum for laying out specific union benefits, but a discussion of the comparative situations for theatre employees pre-union and after might be possible, if the discussion remains factual and balanced. The negative and positive roles of Equity would be difficult to present without bias. I am willing to dabble in this over the summer. I'm not in the theatre world, which allows me to be unbiased, but it also keeps me from knowing the best sources. Point me in the right direction. I have limited time, but I can try. If you provide sources, others can try as well. Feel free. Pat 00:00, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I've attempted to include additional historical framework, but quite a bit more is left to be done. More details are needed about the fight against segregation, support for arts funding and the NEA, the fight against historic theaters being torn down, and the AIDS fight. Sourcing of some of the details about the Theatre Syndicate is needed. If someone can find out when AEA joined the AFL and include that date with a source, that would be useful. A broad description of the current role of the organization might be appropriate towards the beginning of the piece, but the information needs to be more encyclopedic and less like something you'd read on the organization's home page. Pat 01:34, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, this article suffers by comparison with the article on its parallel organization, SAG. Needs more information on the nature of Equity rules, how one becomes eligible to join, etc. 96.232.208.7 (talk) 02:08, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Alien performer issue
This case, filed by the NLRB, was instigated by Lynn Redgrave. She had been sued by Equity (under the leadership of Donald Grody) because she refused to part with 5% of her gross earnings from a US tour she financed with her own money, despite the fact that she was already a permanent resident. However, she lost the suit. That is when she went to the NLRB, and changed the course of US and British Equity's discriminatory practices towards each other. But unlike Yul Brynner, she did not get a refund (the ruling did not help those with earlier dates). I know because I was there. JohnClarknew (talk) 18:23, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Page entirely rewritten?
New user 67.100.175.197 eliminated the page as it existed, and appears to feel that it is OK to re-write it, deleting references he/she doesn't like. The contribution history of this anonymous user appears to show that the account was created for the sole purpose of making these changes. Sorry, that cannot be done. Has the user heard of NPOV? The article now crosses that line. I am restoring the article as it appeared prior to the changes made on January 22, 2009. If the user wishes to re-write the introductory paragraph, fine. But the union has had its problems, which were addressed previously, and were deleted. JohnClarknew (talk) 06:29, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 67.100.175.197 has done it again, this time as 67.100.175.198. Please don't edit the page again. If you have problems with it, this is the page for discussion. JohnClarknew (talk) 23:16, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

template for members' user pages
User AEA may be placed on Equity members' user pages. — Robert Greer (talk) 03:09, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Copyediting suggestions
Hi I am a new user and I think that this page can be improved upon. The history page needs to have more information about the issues that Actor's Equity has encountered through their time as a union. Issues such as segregation and the AIDS scare are not discussed or explained in how they affected the union. Also there needs to be more information on the lawsuits that the AEU has encountered and how this has affected the union and its formation. In addition, since wikipedia prides its self in usually being neutral, this article seems to be very biased towards the union. For instance they do not offer much content as to what is wrong with the union and its problems and instead the article seems to promote that the union is all good and does not have negative characteristics. Also it is very strange when it comes to the deletion of the article, I think this must be checked because the information should be verified. Also the lack of present day information should be checked because when someone needs to be informed about the union they need current information about how the union functions in today's world. Jgruey (talk) 01:11, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Content Suggestions
I am a new user. After reading this article on the Actor's Equity Union, I do have some content suggestions for this page. This article is supposed to be completely unbiased, and a fair representation of the organization should be accessible. Therefore, in looking at the article, readers might not get the full story on the union and its background, including lawsuits involving actors. Mentioning both the pros and cons of the organization might be wise. Including the history involving these lawsuits is simply being accurate. Also, the “Causes” section of the article is choppy because it jumps quickly through the causes without many details on current causes that it supports. I feel that this section of the article could be increased. Simply researching more would help. I think that including more information about the current state of the organization would be helpful as well. Many actors would find it helpful to be able to find information about the current state of the organization. For instance, including current membership numbers, membership fees, and contact information would be helpful. Overall, simply give a more thorough overview of the entire organization. Adding content only increases this article's validity and usefulness.Kag0205 (talk) 03:11, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Pabst Grand Circle Hotel…
…was not at 2 Columbus Circle. It was at the NW corner of 58th Street and 8th Avenue, succeeded by the New York Coliseum. See The Museum of the City of New York. Vzeebjtf (talk) 17:51, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Vzeebjtf (talk) 12:17, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Clarifications
I don't understand the use of the word "book" in "live stage productions without a book"; would someone please expand the article to explain? It seems maybe it is a term industry insiders recognize but an encyclopedia is for everyone.

Also how does one join this union? Are there restrictions or preconditions? Is membership required for some types of work? Does joining bring other advantages? It seems this article could support several more details if someone has the knowledge to add them. Thanks. 72.208.62.126 (talk) 12:42, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

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Adding a 1919 Actors' Equity Association strike section
Hi Wikipedians, I am in a Technical and Professional Editing class and have been working on the 1919 Actors' Equity Association strike article as part of a project for the past few weeks. I noticed that this article has a section for the 1929 strike, so I wanted to propose adding a section for the 1919 strike that would include an overview of the strike as well as a "See main article" link that directs to that page. It seems like some of the content about this strike is currently included in the second paragraph of the history section, so I was thinking that content would be part of this new section instead. What are your thoughts? Slaurensk (talk) 04:17, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Go for it AW (talk) 03:55, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Post-Kruse era and IWA/WIR?
What are these? They aren’t linked and aren’t clear. AW (talk) 03:55, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Encyclopedic tone
The use of "you" and "yours" in the lead. 0m9Ep (talk) 15:46, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

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Battle of Forbie

The Battle of Forbie, also known as the Battle of La Forbie or the Battle of Hiribya, was fought October 17, 1244 – October 18, 1244 between the allied armies (drawn from the Kingdom of Jerusalem, the crusading orders, the breakaway Ayyubids of Damascus, Homs, and Kerak) and the Egyptian army of the Ayyubid Sultan as-Salih Ayyub, reinforced with Khwarezmian mercenaries. The resulting Ayyubid victory led to the call for the Seventh Crusade and marked the collapse of Christian power in the Holy Land.

Prelude
The capture of Jerusalem by the Khwarezmians in August had caused great alarm among both the Christian and the Muslim states. Al-Mansur, the Emir of Homs and an-Nasir Dawud, ruling Kerak, joined the Templars, the Hospitallers, the Teutonic Knights, the Order of Saint Lazarus, and the remaining forces of the Kingdom of Jerusalem to take the field against the Egyptian Sultanate.

The two armies met near Forbie, a small village northeast of Gaza. On the allied side, Al-Mansur was present in person, commanding about 2,000 cavalry and a detachment of troops from Damascus. The overall Christian command was given to Walter IV of Brienne, Count of Jaffa and Ascalon, although Robert of Nantes, Patriarch of Jerusalem, and Philip of Montfort, Constable of Jerusalem, were also present. The Christian army consisted of about 1,000 cavalry and 6,000 foot soldiers. The Transjordanian forces were under the command of Sunqur al-Zahiri and al-Waziri, and consisted of about 2,000 mounted Bedouin. The Egyptian army was commanded by a Mamluk officer named Rukn al-Din Baybars al-Salihi which was slightly inferior in strength to its opponents.

Al-Mansur advised the allies to fortify their camp and take the defensive, waiting for the undisciplined Khwarezmians to disperse and leave the Egyptians at a considerable disadvantage. However, Walter, to whom the overall command had been given, was unwilling to refuse battle when he had the advantage of numbers, a rarity for the Christians of Outremer. The allied dispositions were as follows: Christians on the right wing, near the coast, the Emir of Homs and the Damascenes in the center, the Bedouin on the left.

Battle
Battle was joined on the morning of October 17, with the Christian knights repeatedly charging the Egyptians and fighting up and down the line. The Egyptian army held its ground. On the morning of October 18, Baybars renewed the fight and threw the Khwarezmians against the Damascene troops in the center of the allied line. The center was shattered by their furious attack, after which they turned on the allied left and cut the Bedouin to pieces. The Emir's cavalry held stubbornly, but they were nearly annihilated; Al-Mansur finally rode from the field with 280 survivors, all that remained of his troops.

Threatened by the Egyptians in front and the Khwarezmians on their flank, the Crusaders charged the Mamluks facing them and were initially successful, pushing them back and causing Baybars some concern. Their assault gradually lost momentum as the Khwarezmid tribesmen attacked the rear and the flanks of the Christian forces, which were defended by disorganized infantry. The well-armed knights fought on doggedly and it took several hours for their resistance to collapse.

Over 5,000 Crusaders died. 800 prisoners were taken, including Walter of Brienne, William of Chastelneuf, Master of the Hospital, and the Constable of Tripoli. Of the troops of the knightly orders, only 33 Templars, 27 Hospitallers, and three Teutonic Knights survived; Philip of Montfort and the Patriarch of Jerusalem Robert of Nantes also escaped to Ascalon. However, Armand de Périgord, the Master of the Temple, Hugues de Montlaur, the Marshal of the Temple, as well as the archbishop of Tyre, the bishop of Lydda and Ramla (St. George), and Bohemond, Lord of Botron and his son John, were all killed.

Aftermath
Pope Innocent IV at the First Council of Lyon in 1245 called for a new Crusade, the seventh, but the Franks were never again to muster major power in the Holy Land. The Kingdom of Jerusalem suffered worst in the aftermath of Forbie. It had not been able to put so large an army into the field since the Battle of Hattin, and would never be able to undertake offensive operations again. It brought no lasting success to the Ayyubids; the Khwarezmians were defeated outside Homs by Al-Mansur Ibrahim in 1246 after falling out with the Egyptians. Baybars was accused of joining the Khwarezmians and was later arrested by as-Salih Ayyub and executed in prison.

While the Battle of Hattin holds great symbolic importance as having led to the fall of Jerusalem, it was Forbie that truly marked the collapse of Christian power in Outremer.

In fiction

 * The events of the Battle of Forbie serve as a backdrop for the novella, "The Sowers of the Thunder", by Robert E. Howard.

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Intercultural Dramaturgy
Dramaturgy is not a solely greek/european tradition. There are works of especially Indian scholars on the field. I hope somebody can contribute with more interculturally oriented information on the subject. --Xact (talk) 01:06, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

description better in suomi article suggest incorp here
So here is a google translation of that (as wikipedia seems to require a translation now of non english sources - yet another pointless (becasue google translater is there for free if anyone really needs to see the translation) restriction on an encyclopedia "anyone" can edit.)

Dramaturgy Wikipedia Jump to: navigation, search

Dramaturgy of the aesthetics of drama, drama drama theory or science [1] means a material, usually changing the text or the organization of drama or motion. Mostly we talk about the dramaturgy of theater context, but can also talk about such a movie, concert or other event in dramaturgy. In all these cases, the dramaturgy means broadly defined how the motion or event, the different elements are arranged and rytmittyvät. Dramaturgy is required in understanding the material and their own perspective on the discovery and esityksellisten draamallisten and management of resources and knowledge.

When originally other genres, such as poetry or prose , the material held in drama or a presentation, talking about the material dramatization. Often such novels dramatize elokuvakäsikirjoituksiksi or a play. Yet the drama text written in the context of dramatization is often referred to when the drama text is interpreted output.

Theatre Academy of dramaturgy training program to educate students as well as dramatized in the existing material and to write plays. Adapted has traditionally meant that professional title, which organizes the existing material in motion, even if the training program will educate its students also playwright and drama of the translator 's tasks.

In practice, often the motion dramaturge may also act as a theater director. Dramaturgy and pilot activities are partly overlapping, and many industry-skilled work in both roles. For this reason, Finland, at the Theatre Academy students dramaturge and director student's curriculum includes both training in the field. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.231.182.113 (talk) 10:57, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

shaping a story or like elements
"Dramaturgy can also be defined, more broadly, as shaping a story or like elements into a form that can be acted." This seems to me to be a more narrow definition, unless the elements are more broadly defined. An encylopedic article must be understandable to someone who knows little about the subject: most people do not realize that a drama consists of a lot more than "story and like elements". People don't realize that all of the various props and costumes and extras, each one of them is chosen to have a supporting role. Is there a book sitting in sight? what book is it? Does a particular character have glasses? are they on, off, sitting on the book, put away in their case... That is one tiny piece of one tiny scene, and yet the dramaturge answers these questions for every single detail in every single frame of a drama. A character does not put on glasses for verisimilitude, because that matches with what people do in the real world; a character puts on glasses when the author wants to say "murky things in this work are about to be made clear to the hero".

 * You are describing the work of a director, not a dramaturge. DionysosProteus 02:45, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Shakespearean dramaturgy
my apologies for the different "feel" that my additions about Shakespearean dramaturgy have from the previous text, and for the depth accorded to a narrow area that has a number of other articles already written about it. But what I added seems dramaturgical, and is not found in those other places, so this seemed like the to put it. It's an important and widely not understood area of drama: I actually was looking for a place to put the information so I could go to the spoiler page and give people a basis to understand why spoilers aren't spoiling for everyone.

July 23. I've removed the Shakespeare stuff, troubled by the fact that its assertions are unsourced, and that attitudes supposedly held by Shakespeare's audience (but which are totally conjectural) are stated as fact. I also found the style grossly out of keeping with what would be acceptable in an encyclopedia. An analysis of Shakespearan dramaturgy would certainly be in keeping here, but I think something more professional and better documented is needed.

 * do you actually know anything about Shakespearean dramaturgy? Because you are dead wrong that what was in the article was "questionable"; it's completely mainstream. You're like the Taliban destroying those ancient Buddhist statues: why don't you try researching and improving, rather than just deleting things you personally don't understand. It used to be the wikipedia credo that it was better to add information even if it was not in perfect form.

deeper basis for classical dramaturgy
seems like the article could use some additions about the way ancient and traditional stories are told, like myths, the story of Genesis, the story of Jesus, etc. The stories that appealed to our ancestors in many ways fit classical forms; there is a resonance with something within us.

 * yes, definitely, and even today stories that fail to fit the classical forms often make for beutiful movies that we want to like and pretend we like, but which leave us feeling completely unsatisfied. That recent 6 hour epic about the Italian brothers and their families and friends, for instance.

This article sucks, you should give an actual situation and give an dramtergical analysis of it.

Merge?
Should we merge the dramaturge artical into this one? Struds 22:24, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

IPA pronunciation
An IPA pronunciation should be added. I'd add it, but I'm not sure how to pronounce this word. –Justin Force 05:26, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

the urge to dramatize
I am not in the least surprised to read that copyright issues have been involved in this extremely fuzzy area.

The Greek word occurs extremely seldom in classical writers. The term was 'coined' by Lessing and had some meaning for him and others. By the beginning of the 20th cent. the activities of 'directing' and 'producing' had largely taken its place, until once again (unfortunately) it was re-introduced in Germany in the late 60s.

Germans seem to like excavating terms from ancient languages, perhaps because they are able to theorize them and cock a snook at other language traditions. Writing books about them also provides German academics with gainful employment. Pamour (talk) 19:05, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

 * Whilst your claim about the predilections of "Germans" conveys something of your personal prejudices, it is not based in sound observation or reasoning. A more objective analysis would reveal that the "excavations" to which you refer are more to do with the inclinations of individuals from many cultural and national backgrounds and, yes, such predilections are plentiful amongst academics of many disciplines (sic), for whom they often form the basis for gainful (sic) employment.  Indeed, your claim could be seen to demonstrate that you "seem to like" excavations of your own, albeit ones built on rather shaky ground.

(I have no preference for or against perceived nation-based "likes", but admit to a preference for accuracy over emotive, unsubstantiated claims). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.118.89.250 (talk) 19:45, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

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American dramaturgy
Hi all, I am writing on behalf of LMDA (Literary Managers and Dramaturgs of America). We are a non-profit volunteer membership organization representing dramaturgs in America, Mexico, and Canada.

One of our big projects this year is to clarify the public information about dramaturgy, particularly how it has functioned in the American theater in the 20th and 21st century. We have copy for an entry ready to go as written by Anne Cattaneo, longtime dramaturg at Lincoln Center Theater in New York.

If we were to lay this into the Wikipedia page for dramaturgy, how could we go about guaranteeing that it will remain? We are doing this on behalf of the membership organization, and therefore it is (we think) as legit as possible!

Thanks for any help. Rsasch327 (talk) 17:10, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

 * Welcome to wikipedia! You are welcome to make edits to the entry, though I'd recommend you familiarize yourself with the wikipedia policies first. There's no guarantee of permanence, instead this is a collaborative approach where an entry evolves over time with the input of its participants. A good way to start is to propose some edits in the talk page and develop from there. Justinkrivers (talk) 17:42, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

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Awards and Honor of Gibson Kente
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Weird name?
Is it me or does "coriolanus" sound like it means "runka"? --MichTheWeird 28 June 2005 20:46 (UTC)

 * That depends. What does "runka" mean? --Thnidu (talk) 05:51, 5 August 2017 (UTC) (smh)

 * We may never know since Mich hasn't edited since December 2006. MarnetteD|Talk 06:01, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Runka means jerking off in Swedish. It's a troll. Tomiantenna (talk) 14:11, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Pronunciation
Does anyone know if the title is pronounced Coriolahnus or Coriolaynus? Bravado

Depends on where you come from. The Romans themselves most probably pronounced it Coriolahnus, with a long and open 'a', imagine the first vowel of 'up' lengthened. [Mehothra]

The actors in the Stratford production I just attended all pronounced it Coriolaynus. CaptainCanada 02:52, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I was hoping that wasn't the case. Oh well, I'll keep on trucking with Coriolahnus. I'm going to see that Stratford show soon anyways.Bravado 00:23, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Critical Appraisal?
Does the critical appraisal section really belong there? I saw that it's been flagged. It doesn't appear to be citing any published critical works, and it comes off as just one person's interpretation. It seems to me that it's a dodgy interpretation at that. Consider the following lines:

"Like Hamlet, the central relationship of the play is between a mother and her son, but in Coriolanus, this relationship is both less fractured and devoid of the sexual tension that exists between Gertrude and the danish prince."

Not only is it not uniform critical opinion that there is sexual tension between Hamlet and Gertrude, but the sexual tension between Coriolanus and his mother seems, to my mind, much more blatant. Consider the scene where she is introduced, and is constantly upbraiding his wife about her worrying, overtly stating that if she were her own son's wife, she would be proud of him. I'm sure any critic who does see sexual tension between Hamlet and Gertrude sees it between Coriolanus and Volumnia as well. I'm not really trying to get in a critical debate here, so much as point out that discussions of themes that are open to interpretation don't belong on an encyclopedia page. 71.197.121.239 05:53, 16 October 2006 (UTC)MOB

Uncited reference to being banned
Coriolanus has the singular distinction of being the only Shakespeare play banned in a democracy in modern times.[citation needed] It was briefly suppressed in France in the late 1930s due to its possible attraction to the far right.[citation needed]

--- is this even true? Don Shewey's review in American Theatre, 1989 (see www.donshewey.com/theater_reviews/coriolanus.html) states that a run in the inter war years was cancelled following some riots, but there is no indication this meant a ban for all performances of the play in France, just a cancel of the run. Meanwhile, this article does state that the play was banned in Berlin by occupying forces just after WW2 - however, Germany at this time was presumably not a democracy so doesn't fit here either? --richiau

Removing unnecessary spoiler tags
Most of the articles about Shakespeare plays have a clearly marked section labelled "Synopsis" in which the plot is discussed. It's really unnecessary, and quite insulting, to put a further warning directly beneath that. These are well established plays and people come to read about them. When they see that the article contains a synopsis, they're not going to be surprised because this is an encyclopedia. If they read on and find out the plot of the play, then we have done our job correctly. Pandering for some imaginary people who may not realise that encyclopedias tell you about stuff, or that a plot summary inevitably contains a summary of the plot, is not productive, and certainly no justification for unnecessary duplication of information. --Tony Sidaway 03:56, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Proposed move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was page moved. —harej (talk) (cool!) 19:37, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

 * Coriolanus (Shakespeare) → Coriolanus — “Primary topic by far. Moved without consensus from Shakespeare project earlier.” per the request (which I support) by  at WP:RM. Xover (talk) 04:51, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Coriolanus (Shakespeare) →  — Primary topic by far. Moved without consensus from Shakespeare project earlier. — DionysosProteus (talk) 22:24, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * A request based on one assertion of what the primary topic is is never uncontroversial. This needs to be discussed first. Parsecboy (talk) 22:43, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You're suggesting that the play by Shakespeare isn't the primary meaning? DionysosProteus (talk) 22:44, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No, I'm saying uncontroversial moves are those to fix capitalization, spelling, or other minor issues. Any move request that purports to assert the primacy of one topic over another is automatically potentially controversial and needs to be discussed. The very fact that the page was moved (even without discussion) means that the move back is controversial. Parsecboy (talk) 00:39, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I've put the move template on Talk:Coriolanus (Shakespeare) per the above. --Xover (talk) 04:53, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Returning to our muttons: Support move. Coriolanus himself is, by our habit in dealing with Romans, at Gaius Marcius Coriolanus; the Brecht play is much less frequently frequently mentioned; Shakespeare's play is primary usage. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 18:49, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Support. The Shakespeare play is really the only reason any of the others are known much at all. older ≠ wiser 15:55, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
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One Other Notable Performance
As part of a research project completed at university, I discovered that Morgan Freeman has also played this role. Looking around online, it is easy to find sources which confirm this: he played the role in 1979 as part of an all-black and -Hispanic cast at the New York Shakespeare Festival. Given Mr. Freeman's stature as an actor, I would think he merits inclusion in the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.236.162.147 (talk) 13:54, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you; and I see you've already added him to the article. But if you've done the research for this, perhaps you would be so kind as to also provide the source for it? Preferably something that reasonably fulfills the requirements of the Reliable Sources policy (peer reviewed work in a book on a university press, scholarly journal, or mainstream publication with a published editorial and peer review policy). No big deal, but it would save other editors having to dig up this information later. --Xover (talk) 15:08, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Film Adaptation?
Is it worth adding that there is a forthcoming film adaptation with Ralph Finnes? Mragsdale (talk) 14:14, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

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Adaptations - Zizek?
This section/paragraph feels needlessly politicized and I doubt that you will find any of this in the cited source- Wahnich, Sophie (2001). "Foreword". In Defence of the Terror: Liberty or Death in the French Revolution. Verso Books. pp. xxiii–xxix.

I already changed the portrayal of Coriolanus as a "left wing radical" (lol) to "right wing extremist", but I get the feeling that the whole paragraph wasn't written in good faith. Tomiantenna (talk) 14:20, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:List of Canadian plays

Size split?
Support - Article is over 100 kB, and should be split (if not deleted). Thoughts???--Jax 0677 (talk) 20:55, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose with a suggested alternative - I've never seen a Wikipedia article wrap around the footnote counter.  Perhaps we could find some references that talk about many plays at once, instead of citing the manuscript for each play. I don't know how you would rationally divide this article. Maybe it would be useful to tighten up the list criteria to "Plays that have had at least two cited public performances by a professional company for a paying audience".  An easier criterion would be "either the play or the author has an article" - we could apply that mechanically without a lot of research. --Wtshymanski (talk) 15:01, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Support - Because the year of publication already appears in the current list, the list could easily be split into three lists: List of Canadian plays: 19th century, List of Canadian plays: 20th century, List of Canadian plays: 21st century. On one hand, blue ink throughout (article already in existence) makes the page more attractive. On the other hand, people may be more inclined to contribute if they already see the play in red ink. Neojacob (talk) 19:19, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I must admit the vast number of Red Links makes me think the delete option is the better option. If the article is to be split, then please do it properly i.e. 1 article per first letter with a template for navigating etc. The way this split has started is not a long term solution. Op47 (talk) 23:41, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alleged Iraqi weapons of mass destruction

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Iraqi weapons of mass destruction

 * Delete, this redirects to "alleged weapons of mass destruction" because I moved it there. Why start an article on something that doesn't exist? There's already an article about this, called Iraq and weapons of mass destruction, though I seriously question the neutrality of such an article with that title. Revolución 04:03, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Are you seeking to delete a redirect? Or are you thinking the redirected article should be deleted?  The target article is plain awful, but is there a need for an article called Iraqi weapons of mass destruction?  Not really.  A more natural redirect might be Iraq War and one of the subheads there about the build up. Geogre 12:25, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Not quite sure what you want here, but keep one article at Iraq and weapons of mass destruction (not its present title) to be consistent with the naming of other pages. The fact that they were a figment of Anglo-American imagination aside.  Now, instead of the usual 5 day rule, how about making it 45 minutes from doom? Dunc|☺ 12:28, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Tempted to say - 'delete - non-existent'. But given that the search was a matter of international interest, an NPOV article should certainly be kept somewhere (it deserves a whole article), so Keep (alleged is fine, although unnecessary, since no-one debates they existed at some point (after Rumsfeld sold them?) --Doc (?) 14:05, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC) merge is better --Doc (?) 16:18, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * KeepI would vote merge with Iraq and Weapons of Mass Destuction but that article is already too long. The title should probably be Alleged Iraqi weapons of Mass Destruction. Falphin 17:22, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Important topic in its own right, whether or not the weapons existed, or existed in the quantities alleged. The controvery was quite notable (and still is). No Account
 * Keep surely there were some.  Grue   19:20, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep . As we can see from articles like Unicorn non-existence of the referent does not mean that the topic cannot be encyclopedic. --Tabor 19:54, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Change my vote to merge with Iraq and weapons of mass destruction, where material may be utilized in a cleanup of that article. --Tabor 20:42, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge to Iraq and weapons of mass destruction, since I think the latter title better fits our style guide requirements. --TenOfAllTrades (talk/contrib) 22:34, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge as per Tabor. Notable topic likely to be of historical interest. Capitalistroadster 23:18, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Could not find article, but we have evidence that it exists. Somewhere. Merge. Grutness...  wha?  01:30, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge to Iraq and weapons of mass destruction, 9000 Kurds are quite sure of the use of weapons of mass destruction b the previous government. Klonimus 03:29, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually there's no conclusive evidence that the Iraqi gvt. gassed the Kurds, and even a number of U.S. government and military agencies have concluded based on chemical tests that Iran was actually the responsible party. See the Halabja poison gas attack article. Blackcats 11:43, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Merge, concur with Klonimus. Sjakkalle (Check!)  07:11, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to Iraq and weapons of mass destruction. the wub (talk) 08:34, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge and be very wary of POV in articles like this. Radiant_* 12:20, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge and rewrite. That article title is POV. --Scimitar 14:43, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, though it does certainly need a cleanup. Blackcats 11:43, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * keep: goofling 'Iraqi "weapons of mass destruction"' yields nearly 1.8 million hits. Considering the paucity of weapons found in relation to the extraordinary sum of weapons used to vanquish the overblown threat, 'alleged Iraqi WMD' is an apt title, and an entirely valid article subject. Ombudsman 16:03, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge to Iraq and weapons of mass destruction. Jayjg (talk) 21:58, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge as previous comments ··gracefool |☺ 03:34, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Alternatively, merge as above.  Inherently POV and dishonest title.  Kaibabsquirrel 05:27, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Iraq and weapons of mass destruction. Merge anything suitable. Neutralitytalk 05:29, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge anything useful. Redirect might be useful. --Habap 18:22, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Breakneck Ridge

Breakneck Ridge is a mountain along the Hudson River between Beacon and Cold Spring, New York, straddling the boundary between Dutchess and Putnam counties. Its distinctive rocky cliffs are visible for a long distance when approached from the south, and together with Storm King Mountain on the opposite bank of the river forms Wey-Gat, or Wind Gate, the picturesque northern gateway to the Hudson Highlands.

It has several summits, the highest, some distance inland, reaching approximately 1,260 feet (384 m) above sea level. The southern face of the peak is known for its striking cliffs, the result of quarrying in past years. Lying within Hudson Highlands State Park, it offers views of the river and region and is quite popular with hikers, to the point that a rail flag stop has been established on the Metro North line which runs right by the base of the ridge along NY 9D. In 1932 a road tunnel was dug below the western slopes of the peak; it is now designated as part of Route 9D.

Approach
While several routes exist, most hikers take the white-blazed route up the mountain's west face that begins on the West (Southbound) side of Route 9D near the tunnel. After circling around to cross above the tunnels, it begins a steep, rocky and challenging climb up to the first bump of the mountain, about 720 feet (219 m) above the river, where there are views of the river and Highlands. It continues in a similar fashion over the remaining bumps until it reaches the summit, but keeps on going and becomes a trail that travels over several other summits, and eventually peters out at Beacon Fire Tower from which hikers have the option to turn around and return back the same way. However, there are other small trails that lead down from the white trail, as there are blue, red, and green trails that ascend from the various other summits that the white blazed trail crosses over. They serve as a shortcut to the base of the mountain as well as trails which lead to other parts of the greater Hudson Highlands State Park area.

The Ninham Trail, named after former Wappinger chief Daniel Ninham, opened in July 2021 as an alternate route to ascend Breakneck Ridge and to provide a safer option for less experienced hikers to descend the mountain. The new trail has more than 500 stairs made from stones hand cut from Breakneck Ridge. After the opening of the Ninham Trail, the Breakneck Ridge ascent (white trail) was converted to a one-way, up only trail.

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Robert L. Doughton

Robert Lee "Bob" Doughton (November 7, 1863 – October 1, 1954), of Alleghany County, North Carolina, sometimes known as "Farmer Bob", was a member of the United States House of Representatives from North Carolina for 42 consecutive years (1911–1953). A Democrat originally from Laurel Springs, North Carolina, he was the Dean of the United States House of Representatives for his last few months in Congress. He is the longest-serving member ever of the United States House of Representatives from the state of North Carolina. In the 1930s Doughton was a key player in the creation of the Blue Ridge Parkway and the passage of the Social Security Act.

Family and education
Doughton's father was a captain in the Confederate Army during the American Civil War; he named his son Robert after Confederate General Robert E. Lee. Robert earned the equivalent of a high-school diploma from the Traphill Academy. Although he never attended college, he was awarded honorary bachelor's degrees from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and Catawba College during his political career.

Doughton was married twice. His first wife, Boyd Greer, died in 1895 after only two years of marriage. He remarried in 1898 to Lillie Hix; they remained married until her death in 1946. He had two sons and two daughters. His elder brother was Rufus A. Doughton, who was at various times Speaker of the North Carolina House of Representatives and Lieutenant Governor of North Carolina. Doughton was a member and deacon of the Laurel Springs Baptist Church. After his death in 1954 at the age of 90 he was buried next to his wife Lillie in the church cemetery. In the 1990s Rufus Doughton's former home in Laurel Springs was restored, and it is now a popular bed-and-breakfast for tourists to the region.

The Robert L. Doughton House was listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1979.

Business and political career
In private life, Doughton was a prosperous farmer and banker. By 1900 he owned over 5000 acre of land in his native Alleghany County, North Carolina, where he raised herds of prized Hereford and Holstein cows. He was also the owner and president of the Deposit Savings and Loan Bank in North Wilkesboro, North Carolina; when the bank merged in 1936 with several other banks and formed the Northwestern Bank, Doughton briefly served as the new bank's director. His interest in farming led to his being named to the North Carolina Board of Agriculture in 1903; this marked the beginning of his career in politics. Before being elected to Congress, Doughton served one term in the North Carolina Senate (1908–09) and was director of the state Prison Board (1909–11).

Congressional achievements
Doughton was for 18 years (1933–1947 and 1949–1953) the Chairman of the powerful U.S. House Committee on Ways and Means, and as such he co-sponsored, held hearings on, and oversaw the passage of the Social Security Act in 1935. Doughton was also instrumental in the creation of the Blue Ridge Parkway, America's most-traveled scenic highway. The largest park and recreational area on the parkway is named in his honor. Doughton is also known for introducing the Marihuana Tax Act of 1937, which effectively served as a federal ban on marijuana prohibition in the United States in lieu of federal authority to directly regulate medicines or drugs.

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Talk:Four Brothers (song)

Who is the best known vocalist who sang this song? Clearly that should be mentioned. -- Infrogmation 04:06, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Er, folks, "Four Brothers" is not a "song" as defined by Song. It is a jazz tune without words, meant to be played by four saxophones within a larger orchestra. I've removed the song-stub tag. --Alan W 01:40, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Smith (philosopher)

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Michael Smith (philosopher)
Entire article consists of "Michael Smith was an ethical realist." This doesn't give me enough information to find out more about someone with such a common name to expand the article. Insufficient evidence of Notability. RJFJR 04:07, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * From Amazon.com: "Michael Smith is Reader in Philosophy at Monash University, Australia, having taught previously at the University of Oxford and Princeton University. He is the author of several essays in ethics and moral philosophy." In 2000, Smith's book The Moral Problem received The American Philosophical Association's first APA Book Prize for excellence in scholarship.  I would say that is pretty notable, but this is one of the worst legitimate stubs I have seen yet.  Why do people do this? Sigh... keep DS1953 04:32, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I fixed the article a little. DS1953 04:39, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, expand. Prof with award-winning book passes the notability bar for me. -- BD2412 talk 04:47, 2005 Jun 5 (UTC)
 * Keep and expand. The award indicates notability. Capitalistroadster 10:32, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - No reason to remove. --Irishpunktom\talk 11:33, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep I agree with Capitalistroadster and Irishpunktom there seems no reason to delete and the award makes him notable. Falphin 17:23, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Decius 22:39, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep notability verified. --Etacar11 23:16, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. --Takver 01:45, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep -- notable. Longhair | Talk 01:51, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep ··gracefool |☺ 03:32, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep--Cyberjunkie 16:05, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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User:Adricnet

Name: Adricnet

Email: account name at gmail dot com

Journal: http://adric.livejournal.com/

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William Robertson

William, Will, Willie, or Bill Robertson may refer to:

Military personnel and intelligence officials

 * Bill Robertson (Australian intelligence officer) (1917–2011), Australian Army officer and director of the Australian Secret Intelligence Service
 * William Robertson (VC) (1865–1949), Scottish sergeant-major and Victoria Cross recipient
 * Sir William Robertson, 1st Baronet (1860–1933), British Army officer
 * William Albert Robertson (1885–1942), Scottish rugby union international, doctor and soldier
 * William "Rip" Robertson (1920–1970), American covert agent

Politicians, judges, and viceroys

 * William Robertson (Western Quebec and Upper Canada) (c. 1760 – 1806), Scottish-born entrepreneur and colonial-era political figure
 * William Robertson (Nova Scotia), Scottish-descended merchant and political figure in Canadian colonies
 * William J. Robertson (1817–1898), American jurist from Virginia
 * William H. Robertson (1823–1898), American lawyer and politician from New York
 * William Tindal Robertson (1825–1889), English Member of Parliament for Brighton, 1886–1889
 * William Robertson (Australian politician) (1839–1892), barrister and politician in colonial Victoria, Australia
 * William A. Robertson (1837–1889), American state legislator in Louisiana
 * William Robertson (Ontario) (1897–1948), Canadian politician in the Legislative Assembly of Ontario
 * William Archibald Robertson (1832–1926), prospector and Scottish-born political figure in British Columbia
 * William Charles Fleming Robertson (1867–1937), British Governor of Barbados
 * William Robertson, Lord Robertson (1753–1853), Scottish lawyer
 * William Russell Robertson (1853–1930), Canadian politician in the Legislative Assembly of British Columbia

Association footballers

 * Bill Robertson (English footballer) (1923–2003), English football goalkeeper for Chelsea, Birmingham City and Stoke City
 * Bill Robertson (Scottish footballer) (1928–1973), Scottish football goalkeeper for Chelsea and Leyton Orient
 * William Robertson (footballer, born 1874) (1874 – after 1904), Scottish inside forward or wing half with Abercorn, Small Heath and Bristol Rovers
 * William Robertson (footballer, born 1907) (1907–1980), Scottish full back with Stoke City, Manchester United and Reading
 * William Robertson (1880s footballer) (1866–1926), Scottish footballer with Dumbarton and Scotland
 * Willie Robertson (footballer) (born 1993), Scottish footballer

Cricketers

 * William Robertson (Australian cricketer) or Digger Robertson (1861–1938), Australian batsman who played for Victoria and in California
 * William Robertson (Canterbury cricketer) (1864–1912), New Zealand cricketer who played for Canterbury from 1894 to 1901
 * William Robertson (Otago cricketer) (born 1940), New Zealand cricketer who played for Otago from 1960 to 1961
 * William Robertson (Middlesex cricketer) (1879–1950), English cricketer who played for Middlesex County Cricket Club from 1900 to 1919
 * William Robertson (Jersey cricketer) (born 1998), English cricketer who plays for Jersey

Other sportspeople and sports executives

 * Bill Robertson (Australian footballer) (1879–1957), Australian rules footballer for Geelong
 * William Albert Robertson (1885–1942), Scottish rugby union international, doctor and soldier
 * William E. Robertson (fl. 1914–1915), American baseball commissioner

Others

 * William Robertson (pastoralist) (died 1914), pioneer of South Australia
 * William Robertson (Australian settler) (1798–1874), Scottish-born pioneer in Tasmania and Victoria
 * William Robertson (Hebraist) (fl. 1650–1680), Scottish Hebraist
 * William B. Robertson (1893–1943), American aviator and aviation executive
 * William Robertson (historian) (1721–1793), Scottish writer and academic
 * William Robertson (Irish architect) (1770–1850), Irish architect with Scottish roots
 * William Robertson (Scottish architect) (1786–1841), Scottish architect
 * William Bruce Robertson (1820–1886), Scottish Secession/United Presbyterian Church minister
 * William Robertson (Irish priest) (1705–1783), Irish clergyman, theological writer and schoolmaster
 * Willie Robertson (born 1972), American TV personality and outdoorsman, known for the reality TV series Duck Dynasty
 * Bill Robertson (director), Canadian film and television director, producer and screenwriter
 * William Robertson (antiquary) (1740–1803), Scottish historian and antiquary
 * William Robertson (statistician) (1818–1882), Scottish physician, statistician and amateur photographer
 * William Henry Robertson (physician) (1810–1897), English physician
 * William W. Robertson (1941–2008), American lawyer, US Attorney for District of New Jersey

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Talk:The Nights Dawn Trilogy

I know nothing about this book series but stumbled upon the page and noticed it needed some cleaning up. Anyone knowledgeable enough? AquaDoctorBob 04:08, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Vote for Deletion
This article survived a Vote for Deletion. Its content was merged and redirected to the current target. The discussion can be found here. -Splash 20:26, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

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512 St. Clair

The 512 St. Clair (312 St. Clair during overnight periods) is an east–west streetcar route in Toronto, Ontario, Canada, operated by the Toronto Transit Commission (TTC). It operates on St. Clair Avenue between St. Clair station on the Line 1 Yonge–University subway and Gunns Road, just west of Keele Street.

History
The Toronto Civic Railways opened the St. Clair streetcar route in 1913 along St. Clair Avenue West between Yonge Street and the Grand Trunk Railway crossing (near today's Caledonia Road) to serve small developed areas in a newly annexed section of the city. Previously, the only streetcar service near this area was the Davenport line of the Toronto Suburban Railway (along Davenport Road) and the Avenue route of the Toronto Railway Company (ending at Avenue Road and St. Clair Avenue). At the east end of the St. Clair line, passengers could connect with the radial cars of the Metropolitan line of the Toronto and York Radial Railway running on Yonge Street. The St. Clair line was double-track but had no loops or wyes; thus, all streetcars were double-ended.

After its creation in 1921, the Toronto Transportation Commission took over the assets of the Toronto Civic Railways and the Toronto Railway Company with the goal to connect and integrate the two separate streetcar systems. With respect to St. Clair, the TTC expanded the line eastwards and westwards, adding turning loops at end points and replacing double-ended streetcars with single-ended cars (initially ex–TRC cars). At the east end, the line would continue north from St. Clair Avenue East on Mount Pleasant Road to Eglinton Avenue; however, this portion would later become a separate route that was subsequently converted to bus operation in the 1970s.

By 1930, the Bay streetcar route was running north on Avenue Road and then west on St. Clair Avenue. Passengers could travel from St. Clair Avenue and Caledonia Road to Bay Street and Queens Quay. By 1932, Earlscourt Loop at St. Clair Avenue and Lansdowne Avenue became the western terminus of the Bay route. With the opening of the Yonge subway in 1954, the Bay route disappeared, and the Earlscourt route was created to replace the St. Clair portion of the former Bay route. The Earlscourt route ran between St. Clair station and Earlscourt Loop overlapping the St. Clair route. About 1978, the Earlscourt route was merged into 512 St. Clair.

Dedicated right-of-way
When first built in 1913, the St. Clair streetcar operated in a dedicated right-of-way in the centre of St. Clair Avenue, similar to today's 512 St. Clair route. A dedicated right-of-way is a lane generally in the centre of the street, reserved for transit vehicles. However, it was removed between 1928 and 1935 and replaced with paved trackage open to mixed traffic.

However, since then, road traffic had increased and was degrading the reliability of streetcar service. Given the success of the new 510 Spadina route along dedicated right-of-ways on Spadina and Queens Quay and on portions on several streetcar routes, the TTC proposed to upgrade the St. Clair streetcar line to a dedicated right-of-way. The tracks along the route needed replacement, and the TTC estimated that building a dedicated right-of-way would cost only $7 million more than simply replacing the tracks. Furthermore, St. Clair Avenue is one of the few streets in Toronto wide enough to accommodate a dedicated right-of-way without significantly reducing the width of traffic lanes.

In 2004, Toronto City Council decided to proceed with the proposal. Construction started on September 25, 2005 and was completed in three stages: From St. Clair station to Vaughan Road on February 18, 2007, to Lansdowne Avenue on December 20, 2009, and finally with full service to Gunns Loop on June 30, 2010. On December 19, 2009, the day prior to the opening of the section from Vaughan Road to Lansdowne Avenue, there was a pre-opening event utilizing the TTC's two remaining PCC streetcars.

St. Clair Pilot (2005–2017)
From July 31, 2005, until September 2, 2017, the TTC ran a pilot project of providing 2-hour time-based transfers on this route as a temporary measure to support business along St. Clair during the construction projects of the new dedicated streetcar right-of-way scheme, under which passengers who took a paper transfer after paying their fares by cash or tokens were allowed to disembark and re-board another 512 streetcar, even one going in the opposite direction, as long as they did so within 2 hours of their original boarding. This meant that one could stop part-way through a journey and then continue, or even make a round trip, without paying multiple fares.

From December 14, 2015, until September 3, 2017, passengers who paid by cash or token were required to obtain a time-based paper transfer as a result of the proof-of-payment (POP) system that had come into effect on all TTC streetcar routes as passengers could have been asked at any time to show POP. At the time, the Presto card readers on the 512 cars were not configured to handle this special route-specific time-based transfer pilot scheme. Presto users who wished to take advantage of the project were required to board at the front door of the vehicle in order to obtain the special paper time-based transfer after tapping their cards on the fare reader there, or else they would have been charged another fare every time they re-tapped on the same route.

The pilot program was discontinued on September 3, 2017, the same day the new Flexity Outlook streetcars were deployed on the 512 route, as drivers of the new streetcars are situated inside a fully enclosed cab and are not responsible for handling fare collection or providing paper transfers.

Presto
The TTC reintroduced a 2-hour time-based transfer on August 26, 2018, but this time system-wide rather than for just the 512 route. It is currently available only to Presto card customers who pay single fares with stored card balance.

Proposed extensions
About 2007, two plans had been proposed to extend the St. Clair line west of Gunns Loop, but neither is active today. At the time, transit advocate Steve Munro thought that extensions west of Gunns Loop might lack the ridership to be justified.

The first proposal would see Route 512 extended west along St. Clair Avenue West to Runnymede Road, and south underneath the Canadian Pacific Railway Galt Subdivision line to a bus loop at Runnymede Road and Dundas Street West, replacing a portion of route 71A Runnymede. Streetcar tracks would then be extended southeast along Dundas Street West to Dundas West station where the 504 King and 505 Dundas streetcar routes currently terminate. The tracks on Dundas would be served by a new route replacing the current 40 Junction bus route. While the scheme may not be warranted by potential ridership, it would cut down the amount of deadhead (not-in-service) time required by St. Clair streetcars to get to St. Clair Avenue.

The other proposal comes as part of Transit City, the Light Rail expansion proposal. It would see route 512 extended west on St. Clair all the way to Jane Street, replacing portions of routes 71A Runnymede (now replaced by route 189 Stockyards) and 79B Scarlett Road, where it would connect with a planned Jane Street LRT.

Route description
Route 512 St. Clair serves St. Clair Avenue between St. Clair station at the east end of the line, and Gunns Loop at Gunns Road at the west end. The route passes through St. Clair West station in both directions. The route operates almost entirely within a dedicated streetcar right-of-way, with mixed traffic for a short distance east of Yonge Street and for very short distances at streetcar loops. There are five turning loops along the line; besides the station loops at St. Clair and St. Clair West stations, the other loops are Oakwood Loop at Oakwood Avenue, Earlscount Loop at Lansdowne Avenue, and Gunns Loop at Gunns Road. The streetcar tracks along Bathurst Street and Vaughan Road are the only connection between the St. Clair streetcar line and the rest of the Toronto streetcar system.

According to a 2011 Torontoist article, it took 29 minutes for the author to travel from St. Clair station to Gunns Loop shortly after the rush hour.

With the exception of stops at turning loops, all stops along the route are on-street surface stops with islands separating the regular traffic from the streetcar tracks and have streetcar traffic signals, partial shelters, and railings to protect patrons from the traffic. One end of each platform connects to a pedestrian crossing at a signalized street intersection. The other end of the platform has a planter. There are 22 on-street stops serving both directions and two serving just one direction: Old Stock Yards (eastbound) and Yonge (westbound), both near a terminus.

Half of the on-street stops have artwork consisting of vertical panels along the shelter roof. If an on-street stop has both eastbound and westbound platforms, only one of the two platforms displays artwork. Various artists were selected by competition to design the art pieces.

Streetcar service is provided 24 hours per day along the full length of the route. The overnight trips operate as the 312 St. Clair, which runs along the same route as 512 St. Clair.

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Chen Yonglin

Chen Yonglin is a former Chinese diplomat who sparked fears of a diplomatic incident through his defection to Australia in the summer of 2005. The episode highlighted the tensions faced by China's trade partners when concerns arise from that nation's human rights record. The episode was compared to the Petrov Affair by such observers as Shadow Minister for Immigration Laurie Ferguson and trade unionist Bill Shorten.

Background
Chen had been a university student in Beijing during the pro-democracy movement that ultimately led to the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre. Several of his friends were wounded in the ensuing repression by the government. He was said to have undergone political reeducation after the subsequent crackdown on dissidents, and joined the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs in 1991. This culminated in his posting as the consul for political affairs in the Chinese consulate in Sydney, Australia. In this position, Chen has stated that he was responsible for monitoring Chinese political dissidents, especially Falun Gong, living in Australia. He also reportedly had access to highly classified information on Chinese intelligence activities in Australia. Chen has claimed that he had "gone easy" on dissidents and Falun Gong practitioners and had not reported some actions, to protest China's policies towards political dissent. He has also suggested that the Chinese government was becoming suspicious of his activities, and that as a result, he fears for his safety if returned to China. Chen remains unapologetic over his defection, insisting that he betrayed the Chinese Communist Party, not China.

Factors contributing to the defection, according to Chen, are the torture and death of his father during the Cultural Revolution, his witness of the Tiananmen Massacre and the persecution against the Falun Gong imposed by the Chinese authorities.

Defection and allegations
On 26 May 2005, Chen walked out of the consulate with his wife and daughter. On that day he reportedly met an officer from the Department of Immigration who contacted the Chinese consulate to verify Chen's identity. A Senate inquiry later criticized the government for this action, citing Chen's stated concern that such contact would put his life in danger. On 31 May he met with a representative from the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade. Chen has stated that he was told at this meeting that his request for political asylum had been rejected, but that he could apply for a protection visa. The story broke to the international media on 3 June, when Chen contacted The Australian newspaper, sparking fears of a serious diplomatic incident between the two nations. Anne Plunkett the director of protocol at the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade met with Chen, who alleges that she repeatedly urged him not to defect.

On 4 June, though he allegedly feared being kidnapped, Chen came out of hiding to address a rally commemorating the 16th anniversary of the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre. During his speech, he claimed he would "reveal everything he knows". He also claimed that the Chinese government had more than a thousand agents in Australia, and that they were responsible for monitoring and kidnapping Chinese nationals back to China. Furthermore, Chen claimed that in one particular case in early 2000, Chinese agents in Sydney had kidnapped a student to force his father, Lan Fu, a former senior Chinese official to return to China.

After the June 4th rally, Chen once again went into hiding, having claimed that he was under constant surveillance and in fear of his life. On 5 June, the Chinese embassy released a statement claiming that Chen was due to return home and had invented allegations of wrongdoing in the hope that he would be allowed to stay. The statement was intended to alleviate fears for Chen's safety if he returned to China.

Support, opposition, and ultimate success
On 7 June Chen's claims of a thousand-strong spy network were supported by Hao Fengjun, a former police officer with the 6-10 Office, a special security force established to eradicate Falun Gong by whatever means they deem necessary. The Chinese government responded by claiming that documents seized from Hao's home in China had shown that he was a low-level policeman suspected of corruption. Hao's lawyer, Bernard Collaery, attacked the claims, however, arguing that they were "standard [Chinese] tactics." Hao was granted a protection visa by the Australian government in late July 2005.

On 7 July, a Chinese defector in Canada using the name Han Guangsheng emerged to support Chen and Hao's spying allegations. During his interview on the ABC show Lateline, Han explained "I do know that the Communist Party of China sent people to collect intelligence information, including Chinese Embassy and Consulate staff. Some of the reporters coming from state Chinese media and visiting scholars are also given special spying tasks to carry out." The fifty-two-year-old defector has been denied political asylum and ruled ineligible to remain in Canada, because the federal Immigration and Refugee Board found him a "willing accomplice" in prior human rights abuses. This appears consistent with Han's claim that he was in charge of Shenyang's public security and labor camps before his defection.

China's ambassador in Canberra, Fu Ying, condemned Chen for "attacking his motherland" with "allegations and noise" for what she claimed was the sole purpose of living in a wealthier country. She warned that many more would follow Chen, if he was allowed to relocate to Australia.

On 8 July, Chen Yonglin, his wife, and his 6-year-old daughter were granted permanent protection visas by the Immigration Department, despite the opposition of the Chinese government.

Post-visa statements and activities
Following the granting of protection visas to Chen and his family, he has met with Australian intelligence officials to discuss his earlier claims of a thousand-strong Chinese spy network. On 21 July Chen testified before the United States House of Representatives Subcommittee on Africa, Global Human Rights and International Operations as part of a panel discussing "Falun Gong and China's Continuing War on Human Rights." Here Chen broadened his earlier charges, stating: "I am aware there are over 1,000 Chinese secret agents and informants in Australia, and the number in the United States should not be less." He also testified that "The United States and Australia are considered by the CPC as the base of the Falun Gong overseas" and that "Chinese diplomats are required to denounce the Falun Gong and to distribute anti-Falun Gong materials whenever it is possible."

On 31 July, Chen attended a public seminar hosted by the Victorian Federation of Chinese Associations without invitation. There he defended and repeated his earlier spying allegations, and went on to claim that the VFCA was "controlled by the Chinese Consulate in Melbourne". The vice president of the federation, Sheng Wang, denied these claims and accused Chen of damaging the reputation of all Chinese Australians as well as undermining relations between China and Australia.

On 5 August, Chen was invited to a seminar at the University of Melbourne.

On 16 August, Chen accused the Chinese government of sending a three-member assassination squad into Australia, claiming he was alerted to their presence by a close friend in the foreign ministry. Chen told ABC TV, "they want to shut me up and ... they want to send a warning example to others who want to defect." Foreign Minister Alexander Downer called this "highly improbable."

In late September, Chen contended that the man in charge of China's spy network continued to operate out of the consulate-general in Sydney. As reported by The Bulletin, this individual works independently of the consulate, complete with his own budget. Chen did not name this alleged spymaster.

In October and November, Chen addressed the European Parliament, the Flemish Parliament of Belgium, and the British Parliament on the issue of humans rights in China. The Chinese Mission at the European Parliament sent three diplomats and three official media reporters to hear Chen's testimony at the European Parliament. While Chen was addressing to the British All-Party Parliamentary Group on Human Rights at the Palace of Westminster, President Hu Jintao was visiting Westminster. Prime Minister Tony Blair was forced to raise the human rights issue with Hu under the pressure of overwhelming media attention.

On 30 March 2006, Chen joined more than 4000 signatories in an open letter to Australian Prime Minister John Howard to question Premier Wen Jiabao regarding the persecution against human rights lawyers in China by the Chinese Authorities and concern about allegations of live organ harvesting at the Shenyang Thrombosis Hospital despite official Chinese denials.

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Talk:Take Five

Inspiration
Either it's Joe or the Turks who inspired; can't be both. So which is it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.65.43.62 (talk • contribs) 21:39, 4 November 2015  (UTC)

Origin/Recording
Ultimately, in my opinion, the article will have a section (augmenting and maybe replacing 'Musical Style') that ties together: Brubeck's inspiration (Eurasia), Morello's instigation (his 5/4 ability), Desmond's mandated creativity [being delegated by Brubeck to compose (main/bridge) melodies in 5/4 time], and the tortuous recording process (recounted superbly in Stephen Crist's 2019 book 'Dave Brubeck's Time Out', pp. 117-123). Birdman euston (talk) 12:24, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

 * To this end, I've now added a 'Composing and recording' section - surely this article is now more than Start-Class on the 'quality scale'? ;) Birdman euston (talk) 14:43, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Surprising that the article does not mention the recording engineer Fred Plaut (born in Munich/Germany 1907) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Plaut Ontologix (talk) 11:00, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Suitable photos
Can anyone add a suitable contemporaneous photo of the Quartet together or Paul Desmond alone, e.g. in the recording studio, that doesn't destroy copyright? Any college students out there whose institution subscribes to a free-use images database? Some fantastic colour photos of the Time Out recording sessions exist but they're owned by the estate of the late Don Hunstein, Columbia Records staff photographer at that time, or by Sony Music. Birdman euston (talk) 17:51, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

 * To this end, I've now added 'Public Domain' photos of Paul Desmond and the Dave Brubeck Quartet, sourced from Wikimedia Commons. Birdman euston (talk) 20:08, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Versions from other musicians
Cherry Wainer made her own version of the song purely on the Hammond B-3 Organ with drums in the 1960s. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h_N_VEI9nM

I feel this should be a section in the article, or as a note. Have other musicians modified the song to their own style that should be mentioned? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.193.254.87 (talk) 03:22, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

native symphony musicians
Native to where? and who were they? Marnanel (talk) 20:46, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

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User talk:Dzzl/archive91100

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91100?
Were you referring to 91100 (number) when you asked me for help in developing a number article?

The truth is, there doesn't seem to be anything interesting about this multiple of 911. It's not even listed in the Online Encyclopedia of Integer Sequences. 91100 is a run-of-the-mill squarefull, abundant, minimally polygonal number.

It's not a Fibonacci number. It's not part of a Ruth-Aaron pair. It's probably neither highly totient and certainly is not highly cototient. It's not a Friedman number, it's not a Harshad number.

So this number lacks interesting mathematical properties and seems to have just one mildly interesting cultural property. I'm sorry, but if this went to Votes for Deletion, I'd have to vote delete. PrimeFan 22:19, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

yo dzzl
uh - I saw what you did on u.s. and I think something should be said. so often people revert something extreme w/o considering- "should something be said"? It's cool. I think that's how revertism works. it kinda supposes that concerned parties will return and work at it- hopefully not in an edit war style re-revert fashion. so anyway, I said su-um to those nzz. it's kinda funny how a revert characterizes an edit as more rebellious. I still trust reverters when I never should. I gotta watch pages more often. oh well. I hate overly avid reverters. later, stzzl. Yameen? 05:54, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

"userfy"
hello. what is "userfy"? Kzzlfy 04:08, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * See Guide to Votes for deletion. --fvw *  04:10, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry. I figured out how to set the templates up step by step. how does one set up a template linked to a category under one's user page? McVonn 04:20, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * There's no need for a category as it's only for your page anyway, no need to clutter up the template namespace. You can include subpages of your userpage just like you include templates, make sure to specify the entire name, including the user: part. --fvw *  04:21, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

Template:User dz
There's a list at Babel, which at least covers languages with Wikipedias, I think. If you don't feel like reading, just change the code to something four letters or longer, since the language codes only go up to three letters. J.K. 06:19, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

 * No worries. The official list of codes seems to be here. Have fun. J.K. 06:36, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

hola
JK said it was cool to use dzl lang code. . I'm going to bed for tonite. I'll be back tomorrow evening or the next day. McVonn 06:59, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid that was a miscommunication or he was mistaken, you have to put it as a subpage of your user page. --fvw *  07:56, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

Language Codes
There are actually quite a few unused three letter codes in ISO 639 It just is that the range from qaa to qtz is reserved for made up codes. I suggested qdz because it was in the range for made up codes and you had originally used the last two letters dz as the language code. Caerwine 03:02, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Template:User dz
Anyone can nominate anything in Wikipedia for deletion (see Guide to deletion, which I just finished working on). However, nominations that are clearly in bad faith are usually speedy delisted. What matters is not who nominates it, but the type of discussion it receives. If it would have been in bad faith, someone would have caught it. I don't know Patrick Lucas, but looking at his contributions, he doesn't seem like a vandal. He might not be online right now, so that could be why he hasn't replied to your message. Assume good faith. I don't think he nominated it to spite you, but moving your template to user space will solve any and all problems. --Tito xd 04:47, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * What happens is that things in the template namespace are designed to be used by many users, and there's not a day in TFD that a template is nominated as "unused" when a few pages are using it. It is an issue of template namespace clutter. We're trying to stop it in its tracks. Have you thought what would happen if everyone created a template which seems like a good idea for them, but no one uses it? Eventually, there would be a point where things that are really needed can't be added without moving other stuff around.
 * Userfying isn't a bad thing. You can templatize an user page by typing it between the like for any other template. See my Status templates:  and . If you type  as it appears, you get:

 * And no one knows it isn't a template. --Tito xd 05:29, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

yay
You are hereby officially promoted to the Department of Redundancy Department. Radiant_ >|< 08:14, September 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what cool features you want, but please bear in mind that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and a group of people working on writing one. While I don't think anybody has been singling out your stuff to get it deleted, it is reasonable to assume that if you add nonsense, personal jokes or other non-encyclopediality anywhere else than in your userspace (that is, anything starting with User:Dzzl/) or in the Sandbox, then someone will notice it and put it up for deletion. And that includes any and all templates and categories. Radiant_ >|< 14:32, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

let me know what the question is
Hi - I responded on my talk page (I hate fragmented discussions). -- Rick Block (talk) 03:59, September 4, 2005 (UTC)
 * Replied again, see User_talk:Rick_Block. -- Rick Block (talk) 14:06, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

Re: anon users
hi. what do you make of anonymous users who don't seem to be ignorant of how wikipedia works who go around making seemingly decent edits, garnering praise and whatnot? I ask cuz you and I have each had a run-in w/ one. they irk me but I gott say- I'v made an anon edit or two in my life. I don't imagine wikipedia establishment is in love w/ this phenomenon. lemme know if you hav any feelings on about this. thankz, Ish Micka Vonn aAmerikazakh 17:31, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi Ish Micka Vonn aAmerikazakh —
 * Having anon users is a big part of Wikipedia philosophy: anyone is supposed to be able to edit, as we don't want to make it difficult to edit this encyclopedia. Looking around, I've found a page on this, Welcome anonymous editing. That said, having a user name makes it easy to communicate with a user, and automatically raises the level of trust in the eyes of other editors. A hard-to-verify edit, like the changing of a date in an article, is likely to regarded as probable sneaky vandalism if done by an anon user, yet more likely to be treated as good faith if the user is logged in.
 * If you're interested, many users put a note on the talk pages of valuable anon users suggesting that they create an account. I've got a template, for instance, at User:Asbestos/Anon, and I know there's a ready-made one around somewhere.
 * As a completely off-topic aside, there's been some discussion recently on signatures which don't correlate to the user's username. While there's no policy against it, it usually makes it easier if they do correlate (for instance, do I call you Ish Micka Vonn aAmerikazakh or Dzzl?). — Asbestos |  Talk   (RFC)  23:08, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
 * alrighty, cool. I suspected this one anon user of having a poiltical agenda that's not obvious unless you look closely. This person already received a suggestion to create an account but didn't seem interested. and this person didn't seem new to wikipedia so- o well.
 * dzzyology.
 * The signature is just a nickname. I think it's just long and not English so it stands out and confuses. What's this discussion about correlated names you speak of? sure it's confusing to use anything notably different from your username. that's what I like about it. following normative impulses can be so boring, sometimes, don't you think? Ished-out amounts of Vonn-ness 03:05, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
 * The signature is just a nickname. I think it's just long and not English so it stands out and confuses. What's this discussion about correlated names you speak of? sure it's confusing to use anything notably different from your username. that's what I like about it. following normative impulses can be so boring, sometimes, don't you think? Ished-out amounts of Vonn-ness 03:05, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Anagram
In case you're not watching the page, I replied to your comment at Talk:Anagram. paul klenk talk 00:20, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Hey, I've already weighed in with two solutions to the challenge. Where are you?  Are you up for this, or not?    :-)  00:50, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your e-mail. I think the issues will be addressed with some time and discussion' I am not worried about it.  Meanwhile I suggest you address subjects in which you have both interest and expertise; you will bring much more value to them, and the articles will be better for your contributions.

 * Talk to you later,

 * paul klenk talk

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Sheffield Ecclesall (UK Parliament constituency)

Sheffield Ecclesall was a Parliamentary constituency represented by a single Member of Parliament in the House of Commons from 1885 to 1950. It returned one Member of Parliament (MP) to the House of Commons of the Parliament of the United Kingdom, elected by the first past the post system.

Boundaries
1885–1918: Part of the Municipal Borough of Sheffield ward of Ecclesall.

1918–1950: The County Borough of Sheffield wards of Ecclesall and Sharrow.

Ecclesall constituency covered south central Sheffield. Most of the area that made up this constituency is now included in Sheffield Heeley constituency.

History
The seat was created in 1885, prior to its creation the area had been part of the larger Sheffield borough constituency, which was represented by two MPs. The 1885 Redistribution of Seats Act, which sought to eliminate multi-member constituencies and give greater representation to urban areas, led to the break-up of the constituency into five divisions, each represented by a single MP. Ecclesall was one of these new divisions. The seat was abolished in 1950 as part of a redrawing of the Sheffield constituency boundaries that also led to the abolition of Sheffield Central and the creation of Sheffield Heeley and Sheffield Neepsend.

Members of Parliament
The constituency was abolished in 1950. Peter Roberts subsequently stood for, and won, the new Sheffield Heeley seat.

Elections in the 1880s

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Ty Warren

Ty'ron Markeith Warren (born February 6, 1981) is an American former professional football player who was a defensive end for 10 seasons in the National Football League (NFL), primarily with the New England Patriots. He played college football for the Texas A&M Aggies from 2000 to 2003. He was selected by the Patriots in the first round of the 2003 NFL draft. A first-team All-Pro selection in 2007 and two-time Super Bowl-winner during his eight seasons with New England, he was named to the Patriots All-2000s Team in 2010.

Early life
Warren was raised in Bryan, Texas by his single mother and maternal grandparents. His family was poor, therefore he helped raise his siblings and worked odd jobs from an early age. At the local Boys and Girls Club, he met his wife, Kesha Drayton, with whom he has six daughters, two of them being twins. Warren continues to give back to his hometown. His uncle, Curtis Dickey, was an All-American tailback at Texas A&M (1976–79), where he ranks second on the career rushing list and was selected in the first round of the 1980 NFL draft by the Baltimore Colts.

Warren attended Bryan High School, where he was a letterman in both football and track. In football, he was a standout at defensive end and finished his career with 22 sacks, 248 tackles (69 for losses), and 90 quarterback hurries. As a senior, he won first team All-State honors and posted nine sacks and 109 tackles. Warren took his first airplane trip when he flew to California to play for an all-star game. Warren graduated from Bryan High in 1999.

College career
Warren attended Texas A&M University, where he majored in agricultural development and played for the Texas A&M Aggies football team from 1999 to 2002. In football, he played across the defensive line in his career, starting games at both defensive end and tackle. After appearing in five games as a freshman in 1999, Warren started the last eight games of his sophomore season in 2000, finishing the year with 38 tackles and five sacks while leading the team in tackles for a loss. He moved to defensive tackle in 2001, starting seven games there en route to an All-Big 12 Conference first-team selection. In his senior season in 2002, Warren moved back to defensive end, starting 10 games and recording 52 tackles. He finished his college career with 144 tackles and 13.5 sacks, plus two blocked field goals.

In the 2010 NFL offseason, Ty Warren went back to Texas A&M to finish his degree, and graduated in May 2011, becoming the first college graduate in his family.

New England Patriots
Patriots head coach Bill Belichick and his scouts were so impressed by Warren's college performance that they made a trade in order to get him at No. 13 in the first round of the 2003 NFL draft. Warren played in all 16 games in the 2003 season, starting four times and recording 33 tackles and one sack. Warren collected his first career sack when he sacked Miami Dolphins quarterback Jay Fiedler for a 1-yard loss in the first quarter of the Patriots' 19-13 overtime victory on October 13. Warren earned his first Super Bowl ring playing as a reserve in the Patriots' victory over the Carolina Panthers in Super Bowl XXXVIII. In the 2004 season, Warren became a starter at defensive end in the Patriots' 3-4 system and played in all 16 games, and recorded 48 tackles and 3.5 sacks. He played in Super Bowl XXXIX against the Philadelphia Eagles and earned his second Super Bowl ring for the Patriots' victory. In 2005, Warren again started all 16 games at defensive end, picking up 68 tackles and 1.5 sacks. Warren improved his statistics in 2006, recording a career-high of 84 tackles (56 solo), 1 safety and 7.5 sacks. He was named to Sports Illustrated writer Peter King's All-Pro team, but not the Pro Bowl. Following the season, Warren was named among the players who should have made the Pro Bowl, and among the more underrated players in the NFL.

Warren's teammates elected him a team captain before the 2007 season. On August 16, 2007, he signed a five-year contract extension with the Patriots through 2013. The contract has a maximum value of $35 million and guaranteed $18 million. In 2007, Warren ranked second in the team in tackles (83), quarterback hits (15), and fumble recoveries (3). He made four sacks.

In a press conference the week before Super Bowl XLII in February 2008, Patriots head coach Bill Belichick praised Warren's work ethic, attitude, and leadership. Belichick also pointed out that Warren had worked the hardest and had done nothing but work hard to improve since he was drafted in 2003. When Warren received his five-year contract extension, Belichick simply told him "Congratulations, get back to work."

Warren's 2008 season was reduced to 13 games because of a groin injury that caused Warren to miss three games in November and December, only the second season in which Warren had missed time due to injury. Warren finished the season with 41 tackles and two sacks. In early 2009, Warren had surgery to repair the groin injury as well as a prior sports hernia injury.

Warren started the first eight games of 2009 before he missed a Week 10 matchup against the Indianapolis Colts with an ankle injury. He left a Week 14 game against the Carolina Panthers with an ankle injury and did not play in the Patriots' final three games; he started the Patriots' playoff loss to the Baltimore Ravens. He finished the regular season with 46 tackles and one sack.

After suffering a hip injury during training camp, Warren was placed on injured reserve on August 13, 2010, ending his season. On July 29, 2011, it was announced that Warren had been released by the New England Patriots.

Denver Broncos
On August 2, 2011, he was signed by the Denver Broncos. He missed the entire 2011-2012 season with a triceps injury suffered early in training camp. After being asked by the Broncos to take a pay cut, he held out of the team's Organized Team Activities until June 6, 2012, when the Broncos and Warren agreed to a restructured contract. On September 7, 2012 (week 1 of the regular season) he tore his triceps again and missed the rest of the 2012 season. Warren did not sign with any team after the 2012 season.

Coaching career
Warren was hired as a William Clay Ford minority coaching assistant for the Detroit Lions in 2020. He was the interim defensive line coach for the team's week 16 game in 2020 against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers due to Bo Davis missing the game under COVID-19 protocols. He is currently serving as a preseason coaching intern with the New Orleans Saints as part of the NFL's minority coach internship program.

Warren was officially hired by the Orlando Guardians on September 13, 2022 He was no longer a part of the staff on March 20, 2023.

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