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Ross McCloud

Ross Quartz McCloud (April 16, 1819 – August 22, 1868) was a California pioneer and early settler in Northern California. While he is regarded by some as a namesake of the town of McCloud, California, and the nearby McCloud River, please see historical note below.

Born and raised in Ohio, McCloud moved to Iowa when he was a young man, where at the young age of 20, he was elected to the position of County Surveyor of newly organized Linn County, Iowa. He married Mary Campbell in Iowa in 1848, came to California during the California Gold Rush as a Forty-Niner in the early 1850s, but had limited success in the gold fields. His wife took the Oregon Trail and joined him in Northern California in 1853. Together they operated an early inn in the (now-disappeared) mining settlement of Portuguese Flat, California on the upper Sacramento River. The McClouds purchased the rights of the Lockhart brothers to property at the site now known as Upper Soda Springs in present-day Dunsmuir, California, where they expanded an early wayside hostel into a more substantial inn.

McCloud was instrumental in improving the roads and trails in Siskiyou County, California, and was twice elected County Surveyor. In 1856, the Shasta Courier published a statement by Ross McCloud in which he advertised completion of his new project: "The new trail by way of the Sacramento river to Yreka is now completed and (mule) trains can now pass without crossing any mountains or having any deep snows to contend with. No molestation from Indians.  The undersigned claims this trail to be the best mountain trail in Calif, and asks the public to test its merits and decide for themselves. There is no want of feed for animals on this route.  Ross McCloud, Shasta, Cal. Feb, 2, 1856." McCloud's improvements were an upgrade to an earlier and rougher version of what became known as the Siskiyou Trail.

By 1860, mule train and later stagecoach traffic between California's Central Valley, Yreka, California and Oregon had increased, and the McClouds (and their business partner Isaac Fry) built and operated a toll bridge over the Sacramento River at Upper Soda Springs, as well as increasing the size of the inn. In particular, travelers came to enjoy the "soda water" at the Upper Soda Springs site. Ross also built and operated a sawmill near present-day Mount Shasta, California.

The McClouds eventually sold their interest in the Upper Soda Springs inn, and moved to a ranch near present-day Gazelle, California, where Ross died in 1868. The Upper Soda Springs inn was later acquired and operated by the daughter of Ross and Mary, Elda McCloud Masson, under the name "Upper Soda Springs Resort" until 1920 (see image at right of Upper Soda Springs Resort about 1885).

Origin of the placename "McCloud"
The McCloud River was likely originally known as the "McLeod River," after Alexander Roderick McLeod, the leader of a number of hunting and trapping expeditions for the Hudson's Bay Company in Northern and Central California. A.R. McLeod's expedition of 1829-1830 spent several weeks during that winter trapped by heavy snow near the headwaters of the McCloud River. By the early 1860s, however, the spelling "McCloud River" was widely used in the region; while some regard this spelling as being adopted partly to respect the pioneer Ross McCloud and his family, it appears that the use of the "McCloud" spelling developed primarily as it was the conventional American spelling of the name. When the town of McCloud, California was later organized, the town similarly took the spelling "McCloud."

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Cockerham

Cockerham is a small village and civil parish within the City of Lancaster district in Lancashire, England. It is 6 mi south of Lancaster and 15 mi north-northwest of Preston. Lying on the River Cocker, at the estuary of the River Lune, the parish had a population of 671 at the 2011 Census.

Cockerham has lain within the historic county boundaries of Lancashire since the Middle Ages, having previously formed a township and parish within the hundred of Lonsdale. Between 1894 and 1974, Cockerham lay within the Lancaster Rural District.

Medieval life of Cockerham manor has been recorded in the Custumal of the Manor of Cockerham, compiled in 1326–1327 and revised in 1463. The custumal, a record of rents and services owed by the tenants to their landlord, combines a local code of laws with an inventory of all resources of the land, from peat fuel, cattle and sheep to shoreline mussels. The tenants were forbidden to trade local fuel to the "strangers" who collected mussels on the shore.

The local church is St. Michael's. The original parish church was in the middle of the village but was resited on higher ground due to frequent flooding.

Close by are the remains of Cockersand Abbey. The village has a pub, the Manor Inn.

Airfields
Cockerham Airfield (also known as Patty's Farm) is 0.75 mi west of Cockerham and south of Hillam Lane. Its ICAO airport code is GB-0611. It is home to the Black Knights Parachute Centre. In 2023, former footballers Jamie Carragher, Roy Keane and Gary Neville skydived at the facility for an episode of Sky Sports' The Overlap.

Tarn Farm Airfield (also known as Rossall Field) is two miles south-west of Cockerham, on Gulf Lane. It is home of The Bay Flying Club, West Lancashire Microlight School. Its airport code is GB-0440.

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Monterey Bay National Marine Sanctuary

The Monterey Bay National Marine Sanctuary (MBNMS) is a federally protected marine area offshore of California's Big Sur and central coast in the United States. It is the largest US national marine sanctuary and has a shoreline length of 276 mi stretching from just north of the Golden Gate Bridge at San Francisco to Cambria in San Luis Obispo County. Supporting one of the world's most diverse marine ecosystems, it is home to numerous mammals, seabirds, fishes, invertebrates and plants in a remarkably productive coastal environment. The MBNMS was established in 1992 for the purpose of resource protection, research, education, and public use.

Description
The Monterey Bay National Marine Sanctuary (MBNMS) is one of the largest of a system of 14 National Marine Sanctuaries administered by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), within the U.S. Department of Commerce. It stretches from Rocky Point in Marin County, just north of the Golden Gate Bridge, to the town of Cambria in San Luis Obispo County, and encompasses a shoreline length of 276 mi and 6094 sqmi of ocean surrounding Monterey Bay. Its seaward boundary is an average of 30 mi offshore, and shoreward boundary the mean high tide. Its area is 6,094 square statute miles or 4,024 square nautical miles. The deepest point is 10,663 ft in the Monterey Submarine Canyon, which is deeper than the Grand Canyon. The average ocean surface temperature is 55 °F.

The sanctuary provides habitat for 36 species of marine mammals, 94 species of seabirds, at least 525 species of fish, four of turtles, 31 phyla of invertebrates, and more than 450 species of marine algae. Historical sites include 1,276 reported shipwrecks and 718 prehistoric sites. The MBNMS has major programs for research and monitoring, and another for education and outreach. Public recreation activities such as kayaking, SCUBA diving, and surfing are permitted, along with commercial fishing. Oil drilling and seabed mining are banned to protect the sanctuary. The sanctuary provides economic value via ecotourism as well as fishery resources including the Dungeness crab and market squid. Otter trawling has been shown to have significantly negatively impact the benthic invertebrate biodiversity in areas where trawling is less restricted. Despite its protection as a National Marine Sanctuary MPA, a study found microplastic concentrations were higher than the global average, with a higher amount closer to shore.

Visitors centers
A Coastal Discovery Center is located across the Pacific Coast Highway from the Hearst Castle visitor's center in San Simeon, California near the William Randolph Hearst Memorial State Beach.

The Monterey Bay Marine Sanctuary Exploration Center opened on July 23, 2012 at 35 Pacific Ave. in Santa Cruz, CA.

Collaborations
MBNMS collaborations include:

 * The Sanctuary Advisory Council's twenty voting members represent a variety of local user groups, as well as the general public, plus seven local and state governmental jurisdictions. In addition, the respective managers for the four California National Marine Sanctuaries (Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary, Cordell Bank National Marine Sanctuary, Gulf of the Farallones National Marine Sanctuary, and the Monterey Bay National Marine Sanctuary), the Elkhorn Slough National Estuarine Research Reserve and the United States Coast Guard sit as non-voting members. Members are appointed competitively by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and serve three-year terms. The Advisory Council meets bi-monthly in open sessions located throughout the almost 300-mile boundary of the Sanctuary.
 * Working groups of the council: Research Activities Panel, Sanctuary Education Panel, Conservation Working Group, Business & Tourism Activities Panel
 * Regional partnerships
 * B-WET (Bay Watershed Education and Training Program): a grant program to provide funding and support for environmental education for students, teachers, and communities throughout the Monterey Bay watershed.

Events and activities
See the MBNMS event calendar for a list of meetings, as well as volunteer events such as Snapshot Day, Urban Watch, First Flush (water quality monitoring programs), and TeamOCEAN (kayaker naturalist program).

The organization launched the Sanctuary Integrated Monitoring Network (SIMoN) website in 2003 to collect metadata for its various monitoring projects. In 2012, this information was released as an iOS application to allow visitors better access to the over 4,200 photos that have been collected.

History
A Marine Sanctuaries Study Bill was first proposed in 1967 with lobbying efforts by the Sierra Club. The Marine Protection, Research, and Sanctuaries Act of 1972 authorized the United States Environmental Protection Agency to monitor off-shore dumping. In 1975, the California Coastal Zone Conservation Commission recommended a marine sanctuary and in 1976 Santa Cruz County and Monterey County joined the lobbying effort. In 1983 the Ronald Reagan administration dropped the area for consideration as a sanctuary.

In 1988 congress re-authorized the Sanctuaries Act and proposed a sanctuary in Monterey Bay. However, public hearings, with the memory of the 1969 Santa Barbara oil spill, brought protests demanding a larger size. The first Draft Environmental Impact Statement was released in 1990, and a final management plan in June 1992 proposing the extended area. On September 20, 1992, the MBNMS was authorized by legislation proposed by congressman Leon Panetta. It was the largest federal marine sanctuary.

Management
There have been five Superintendents of the MBNMS since its inception:

 * 1) Terry Jackson (1992 to 1997):  Jackson was a NOAA Corps officer that was assigned to the MBNMS as its first manager in 1992. As a NOAA Corps officer, Jackson's land-based assignment ended in 1997. Over the next year, Jackson hired the first MBNMS staffers. Jackson retired from the NOAA Corps in 1998.
 * 2) Carol Fairfield (June and July 1997): A call for Superintendent applicants went out in the spring of 1997. However, that process was ended by the National Marine Sanctuaries Chief, Stephanie Thornton, because she "did not believe any of the current applicants had the skills she was looking for to be the MBNMS Superintendent." The call for applicants was re-advertised, and Carol Fairfield (with the NOAA's NMFS Protected Resources Program) was selected. Fairfield was selected in June and spent her first month at the Sanctuary Headquarters in Silver Spring, Maryland. Fairfield was reassigned on July 28, 1997, and Thornton said "Fairfield¹s reassignment is a personnel matter which cannot be discussed in detail."
 * 3) Joanne Flanders (1997): At the time of Jackson's departure, Joanne Flanders (another NOAA Corps Officer) was Assistant Superintendent. Flanders was appointed Acting Superintendent for about six months.
 * 4) William J. Douros (1998 to 2006): In January 1998 William J. Douros, who had previously worked for Santa Barbara County became superintendent.
 * 5) Paul Michel (2007 to Present): In 2006 Douros was promoted to West Coast regional director for the National Marine Sanctuary Program. Paul Michel, who had worked at the Environmental Protection Agency since 1987, became superintendent.

Management of northern section
Since the Gulf of the Farallones National Marine Sanctuary (GFNMS) had been established earlier and had a staff already, the section north of Año Nuevo point near the San Mateo County line was managed by GFNMS from its office in San Francisco. By 1996, Terry Jackson of MBNMS requested to have the management boundaries match the preserve. Ed Ueber of GFNMS saw no reason to change.

Oil and gas reserves
There are oil and gas reserves off the coast, but exploration has not been permitted. In 1982, Interior Secretary James G. Watt proposed opening the Central California coast outer continental shelf to oil and gas exploration. California residents and politicians strongly opposed the proposal and it was defeated. In 1990, President George H. W. Bush used an obscure 1953 law to permanently ban oil and gas development in California's Monterey Bay. In late December 2016, President Obama used the same law to ban oil exploration from Hearst Castle to Point Arena in Mendocino County, California.

In July 2017, under the direction of Executive Order 13795 from President Donald Trump, the U.S. Department of Commerce began re-evaluating the protected status of the sanctuary, which includes the Davidson Seamount off the coast of Big Sur. The seamount, at 23 nmi long, 7 nmi wide, and 7480 feet high, is one of the largest in the world. Opening the area to oil and gas exploration was opposed by many environmentalists and residents.

Related protection areas
A large number of protected areas have overlapping jurisdictions. From roughly from north to south:

 * Gulf of the Farallones National Marine Sanctuary adjacent to the north
 * Golden Gate National Recreation Area
 * San Francisco Bay National Estuarine Research Reserve
 * Fitzgerald Marine Reserve
 * Half Moon Bay State Beach
 * San Gregorio State Beach
 * Pomponio State Beach
 * Pescadero State Beach
 * Bean Hollow State Beach
 * Pigeon Point Light Station State Historic Park
 * Año Nuevo State Marine Conservation Area
 * Año Nuevo State Reserve
 * Theodore J. Hoover Natural Preserve
 * Greyhound Rock State Marine Conservation Area
 * Natural Bridges State Beach
 * Lighthouse Field State Beach
 * Twin Lakes State Beach
 * New Brighton State Beach
 * Seacliff State Beach
 * Manresa State Beach
 * Sunset State Beach
 * Santa Cruz harbor
 * Zmudowski State Beach
 * Moss Landing State Beach
 * Moss Landing Wildlife Area
 * Elkhorn Slough National Estuarine Research Reserve
 * Salinas River State Beach
 * Salinas River National Wildlife Refuge
 * Marina State Beach
 * Monterey State Beach
 * Edward F. Ricketts State Marine Conservation Area
 * Lovers Point State Marine Reserve
 * Asilomar State Marine Reserve
 * Asilomar State Beach
 * Carmel Pinnacles State Marine Reserve
 * Carmel Bay State Marine Conservation Area
 * Point Lobos State Marine Reserve and State Marine Conservation Area
 * Pfeiffer Big Sur State Park
 * Los Padres National Forest
 * Julia Pfeiffer Burns State Park
 * Big Creek State Marine Reserve and Big Creek State Marine Conservation Area
 * Cambria State Marine Conservation Area
 * William Randolph Hearst Memorial State Beach
 * San Simeon State Park
 * White Rock (Cambria) State Marine Conservation Area

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Parrotia persica

Parrotia persica, the Persian ironwood, is a deciduous tree in the family Hamamelidaceae, closely related to the witch-hazel genus Hamamelis. It is native to Iran's Caspian region (where it is called انجیلی anjili) and Azerbaijan (where it is called Dəmirağacı). It is endemic in the Alborz mountains, where it is found mainly in Golestan National Park.

The species was named by Carl Anton von Meyer to honor his predecessor at the University of Dorpat, German naturalist Georg Friedrich Parrot, who botanized in the Alborz on a mountaineering expedition in the 1830s.

Another species Parrotia subaequalis (commonly called Chinese ironwood) originates from eastern China. There are five disjunct populations of P. subaequalis in eastern China: two each in Jiangsu and Zhejiang provinces (Huang et al. 2005) and one in Anhui (Shao and Fang 2004). A full account of this sibling species can be found in an article "The Chinese Parrotia: A Sibling Species of the Persian Parrotia" by Jianhua Li and Peter Del Tredici.

This species is listed as critically endangered by the IUCN (under its former name of Shaniodendron subaequale, which is no longer an accepted name for the species). P. subaequalis is also considered critically endangered (Grade I Key protected Wild Plant) in the China Red Data Book, with a very narrow distribution range. The five known relict populations of P. subaequalis comprise no more than 100 reproductive individuals. Therefore, this species has high conservation priority.

Description
Parrotia persica grows swiftly when young, maturing in gardens to 30 m tall and 8 - 15 m broad, multi-stemmed and naturally somewhat congested but prunable to a single trunk up to 150 cm in diameter. The bark is smooth, pinkish-brown flaking/peeling to leave a mosaic of cinnamon, pink, green, and pale yellow patches in a similar manner to plane trees. The leaves are alternate, ovoid, often slightly lop-sided, 6 - 15 cm long and 4 - 10 cm across, with wavy margins; they are glossy green, turning in autumn to a rich purple to orange and brilliant red, often on the same tree.

The flowers are somewhat similar to witch-hazel flowers but dark red; they are likewise produced in late winter on bare stems, but differ in having only four rounded sepals with no petals; the stamens are however fairly conspicuous, forming a dense red cluster 3 - 4 mm across. The fruit is a two-parted capsule containing two seeds, one in each half.

Fossil record
Among the middle Miocene Sarmatian palynoflora from the Lavanttal Basin, Austria, researchers have recognized Parrotia fossil pollen. The sediment containing it had accumulated in a lowland wetland environment with various vegetation units of mixed evergreen/deciduous broadleaved/conifer forests surrounding the wetland basin. Key relatives of the fossil taxa found with Parrotia are presently confined to humid warm temperate environments, suggesting a subtropical climate during the middle Miocene in Austria.

Cultivation
Parrotia persica is cultivated as an ornamental tree for its brilliant autumn colour and the smooth, patterned bark. As an uncommon, drought-tolerant garden tree of moderate size, it is prized for its striking autumn colour and the exfoliating bark that develops on mature specimens.

Several cultivars have been selected for garden planting:
 * 'Horizontalis': semi-weeping, wide-spreading horizontal branching pattern.
 * 'Pendula' (Kew Form): Compact, weeping, quite graceful
 * 'Select': Young leaves have purple margins, otherwise same as species
 * 'Vanessa': Upright, columnar habit

'Vanessa' has gained the Royal Horticultural Society's Award of Garden Merit.

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Swatch (disambiguation)

Swatch is Swatch Group's namesake brand of watches.

Swatch may also refer to:
 * The Swatch Group, a Swiss company and watch manufacturer
 * Swatch Internet Time, an alternate means of telling time that uses decimals instead of hours and minutes
 * A textile sample
 * In computer graphics, the term has come to mean a palette of active colors.
 * In painting, the word means a sample of color designed to show the actual dried result of applying certain paint(s).
 * Swatch (knitting)
 * Swatch Mercedes ART
 * Swatch Open
 * Swatch (Log monitoring), an Open source software project under SourceForge delivering a program for monitoring Unix/Linux log files
 * Swatch, a character in the video game Deltarune

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File:Reefers-shorty-ATSF-CM-type-1898-cyc ACF builders photo.jpg

A "shorty" reefer, ATSF "CM-type" circa 1898. ACF builders photo.

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Jean-Jacques Dordain

Jean-Jacques Dordain (born 14 April 1946) was Director General of the European Space Agency between 2003 and 2015.

Graduating at École Centrale Paris in 1968, Dordain began his scientific career in the French Aerospace Research Agency (ONERA) and later worked as a professor at the National Higher School of Aeronautics and Aerospace in the 1970s and 1980s. He has conducted extensive research in rocket engines and microgravity experiments. He was also a European astronaut candidate.

In 1998 he was Executive Secretary at the Japanese Space Agency (then NASDA, now JAXA) and later started as Director of Launchers at ESA, where he became Director General in July 2003.

He also holds the honorary function of Chancellor of the International Space University.

On 1 July 2015, he was succeeded as Director General of the ESA by Johann-Dietrich Woerner of Germany.

In 2019, Dordain was elected as a member into the National Academy of Engineering for contributions to complex space systems and leadership of space exploration programs worldwide.

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Michael Brown (mayor)

Michael R. Brown is an American politician and doctor who served as the 26th mayor of Grand Forks, North Dakota from 2000 to 2020.

Early life and education
Brown was born in Albuquerque, New Mexico, the son of a United States Air Force jet mechanic. He spent his childhood in Japan and England before returning to New Mexico. Brown earned a Bachelor of Science and Master of Arts degree from Baylor University before joining the United States Air Force, where he served in the intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) community. He served as a Deputy ICBM Launch Control Officer, ICBM Launch Control Officer Commander and ICBM Launch Control Officer Instructor. He was stationed in Grand Forks, and earned a Doctor of Medicine from the University of North Dakota School of Medicine and Health Sciences. He became a lieutenant colonel.

Career
Brown is an obstetrician at Altru Health System in Grand Forks.

He was first elected mayor in 2000 and reelected in 2004, 2008, 2012, and 2016.

In 2007, Brown was appointed to the advisory board of the Federal Emergency Management Agency. After the June 9, 2020, election, Brown was succeeded as mayor by Kazakhstani-American National Hockey League player Brandon Bochenski.

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William Hutchinson (superintendent)

William Hutchinson (1772 – 26 July 1846) was a British convict who was transported to the Australian colonies, ultimately to become a successful public servant and businessman.

Hutchinson was by trade a butcher in England. In June 1796, Hutchinson was convicted at the Old Bailey of stealing £ 40 worth of goods, and was sentenced to death, though this was later commuted to transportation for seven years. After spending three years in London on board the prison hulk Newgate, Hutchinson was transported to Australia on the Hillsborough, sometimes referred to as the "Fever Ship" since some ninety-five of the three hundred convicts aboard died from typhoid fever brought aboard from the prison hulks. Reaching Sydney in 1799, Hutchinson was again convicted of theft after stealing from the government stores in Sydney, and was transported to the penal settlement on Norfolk Island.

Hutchinson soon gained employ in the administration of the settlement, becoming an overseer of government livestock. In June 1801, he married his first wife Mary Cooper (also known as Mary Chapman), a convict who had been transported from Surrey, arriving on Norfolk Island in 1798; together they would have eight children, six of them born on Norfolk Island. In June 1803 he was appointed an acting superintendent of convicts on the island, and in 1805 he officially became an emancipist. By 1809 he was made a superintendent proper. Hutchinson acquired significant land holdings on the island, and did a handsome trade selling pork to the government.

After 1803, there was a push for the settlement on Norfolk Island to be disbanded, mainly on the part of the then Secretary of State for War and the Colonies Lord Hobart; the military presence there was ultimately withdrawn in 1813, and Hutchinson, along with the boat-builder Thomas Ransom, was among the last of the settlers to leave the island in February 1814.

Most of the Norfolk settlers were relocated to the recently founded Hobart Town, in the colony of Tasmania. However, Hutchinson had been recommended to the Governor of New South Wales, Lachlan Macquarie, by the former Lieutenant-Governor of Norfolk Island, Joseph Foveaux, and so Hutchinson instead returned to Sydney, where Macquarie appointed him the superintendent of convicts and public works, to succeed Isaac Nichols from April 1814. Hutchinson gained much influence in this position, however after John Bigge's reports into the transportation system in the Australian colonies, Hutchinson was replaced as superintendent by Frederick Hely in 1823. Hutchinson was to have been appointed chief wharfinger in Sydney in 1817, though this appointment was never formally recognised by the British authorities.

Hutchinson's eighth child with his first wife Mary was born in 1817; Mary is thought to have returned to England in March 1819, and there was no record of her after that. On 21 June 1825 Hutchinson married his second wife, Jane Roberts, who was also a former convict (having been transported for seven years, arriving in 1803) and who was the widow of another former convict turned businessman. Though the marriage only lasted a short time, two of Jane's sons from her first marriage married two of Hutchinson's daughters from his first marriage.

Hutchinson became a significant businessman in Sydney, forming business partnerships with Edward Eagar, William Redfern and Samuel Terry, among others; he also had extensive land holdings in Sydney, its suburbs and the surrounding towns, and also in Melbourne. His more rural holdings made him a successful pastoralist. He had participated in the 1816 founding of the Bank of New South Wales, and was a director of the bank from January 1829 onwards. In 1835, he was elected to the board of directors of both the Marine Insurance Co and the Australian Wheat and Flour Co, and participated in the formation of the Australian Patriotic Association, and in 1840 he was one of the original directors of the Mutual Fire Insurance Association.

At his death, Hutchinson left goods worth £20,000; together with his land holdings, his estate was worth £220,000, or about A$1.77 billion in 2004 value. On this valuation, in 2004 William Rubinstein placed Hutchinson at 147th on his list of the two hundred richest Australians of all time.

Flour Business
William Hutchinson, Samuel Terry, Thomas White Melville Winder, George Williams, William Leverton and Daniel Cooper went into flour mill operating partnership. The Mill was renamed the Lachlan and Waterloo Flour Mills. The partnership traded as Hutchinson, Terry & Co. It had previously been established in August 1820 on Samuel Terry’s land in Kensington and in a partnership with Samuel Terry and Thomas White Melville Winder. Hutchinson sold out in 1825.

In 1835 he was elected a director of the Marine Insurance Co. and the Australian Wheat and Flour Co.

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Talk:The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou

MobyDick
I agree with the previous author who brought up Moby dick. There are many references. The red school of fish are like the birds that follow Moby Dick. Ned is a son who dies in the course of the journey. The Reporter is Starbuck. DeFoe is Flask. Its a voyage for revenge against a fish for god's sake!

why will the distributor section not work?--El Slameron 00:42, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC) more editing is definitely needed
 * It wasn't working because the previous line did not end with a | character. Went ahead and fixed that. --67.36.24.175 03:47, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

seahorse
i cant remember the names of the Klaus's nephew (if he is his nephew) or the species of seahorse at the beginning of the film. anyone who can please edit the caption of the new photo in the trivia section. --El Slameron 23:38, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * It's a rainbow ponyfish.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 07:25, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * His nephew's name is Werner. psimionides — Preceding undated comment added 14:59, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

No critical review
There`s no critical review of this film. So this article is crearly POV. I will nor write my own POV as i went searching the Wikipedia when i could not believe such great actors acting in a film i could not ¿Understand?.

- What are you saying? --69.84.100.212 23:57, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Rebel Rebel...
Is actually a song from the album Diamond Dogs, not Ziggy Stardust nor Hunky Dory as explained by the original author. Hate to be nit-picky.

Song title
I made a small change by correcting the name of the Sigur Rós song from Stralfur to Starálfur.

Moby Dick
Umm, I'm surprised there is no mention of the story line similarities to Melville's novel. If no one minds, by replying to this post, I'll add it. I'll check back in a couple of weeks.

Redundant Link
I removed the link on the name "Steve Zissou" as it just linked back to the very same article. --Phl3djo 16:04, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Trivia Section: utterly out of control
The trivia section in this article is longer than the article itself. I will be rewriting (read: removing) it shortly. If there's anything there you want to save, I suggest you rewrite it in encyclopedic form, in paragraphs of text rather than bullets. Soon. Nandesuka 21:58, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I think rather than getting rid of it it should just be tapered down to what matters. I got rid of a bunch of trivial stuff, like the names of characters and such. Ww.ellis 00:35, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I've made an attempt to organize the trivia section as it existed upon my arrival. This is what we have to deal with:
 * "The scene during the credits... inspired by the film The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai...." I moved to the existing Film references section. It seems a particularly bizarre reference, and a description of the scene to which it refers would be helpful.
 * I created a Real-world references section for trivia on references within the film to the outside world, which currently includes the Coppola family reference and three references to the names of real-world people.
 * The remaining trivia can be subdivided as follows: two "used in the film" bits (the ship and the orca); one World Records-style bit of trivia (the shark puppet's size); an explanation of Hydrogen Psychosis, which seems to be somewhat important to the article (see further down this talk page); and two references from the real world to the movie.
 * I did not add or significantly edit any of these points, since there seems to be so much venom around towards the worth of trivia points that I'm afraid they may be deleted any way. -AndromedaRoach 06:32, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Relevant?
For some reason, _all_ the wild animals in the movie are computer-generated. I can think of several different motives for this to have been made so, but it strikes me as relevant, and not trivial.

All the wild animals are ficticious species. Anderson obviously wanted this to have a deliberately unrealistic feel to it. RossyG 17:19, 18 May 2006 (UTC) 17:16, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

 * He mentions this in the comments on the DVD -- 201.78.233.162 14:24, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

 * The man of war and orca are not fictional species. There are many actual animals in the movie. Although i suppose the orca wasn't wild —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.76.60.163 (talk) 20:10, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

hydrogen psychosis
the page Hydrogen psychosis redirects here, but there is no explaination on this page of the term. according to a google search of define:Hydrogen Psychosis, there used to be a servicable definition on the Hydrogen psychosis page. what was the reason for this redirect?
 * "Hydrogen psychosis" is a condition invented by Baumbach and Anderson for this movie. There was an article on it, but it was just a very short stub.  Hence the redirect, I'm guessing.Bjones 04:59, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

 * From the history of the old 'hydrogen psychosis' page I've added a shortened definition of it to the trivia section. I'm not entirely sure this is appropriate, but I also feel there needs to be some reference to it if the original article is a redirect. 24.14.187.193 21:58, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

 * The article no longer includes any explanation of Hydrogen psychosis. I've copied the text here in case anyone wants to include it again, not sure how best to fit it into the article. -- Horkana (talk) 00:48, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

 * Hydrogen psychosis is a fictional ailment acquired by SCUBA divers in the Wes Anderson film The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou, which is also referred to as "Crazy Eye". It is based on the very real health risk of nitrogen narcosis, caused by the effects of relatively fast, relatively great changes in external pressure on the human body.
 * Just to be a pedant, it's caused by nitrogen being breathed under high pressure. You may be thinking of the bends (decompression sickness) caused when a rapid drop in pressure causes gases expand in the blood and collect at the joints. Nitrogen narcosis occurs even during very slow descents 86.153.240.61 (talk) 00:29, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

That one song
Whats the song played during the end of the film, its in the scene with the Jaguar shark. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zerath13 (talk • contribs)
 * It is Starálfur from Sigur Rós album Ágætis byrjun. --18 hours 23:28, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Lifeaquaticposter.jpg
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Winslett-Richardson
Is there any documented evidence of the character's surname coming from the two actresses? There's no apparent connection between these actresses except that they're all British. Explain? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.140.155 (talk) 23:49, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Guns not Glocks
The filming details are glaringly incorrect to anyone with more than a basic knowledge of firearms. Steve uses a Glock to threaten Jane, and he may have holstered it a few times, but the crew's pistols in the firefight scenes appear to be Beretta 92 models. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.110.3.40 (talk) 00:24, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Abusive Tagging?
Abusive tagging, the term abusive seems to imply bad faith and where are the sources? Also, the Trivia tags were deleted, thats against Wiki policy I believe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.137.207.191 (talk) 13:33, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * There, if any of that stuff is true, it can't be much harder to find sources for it than it is to argue with me, and despite not actually being called Trivia, the various "References" sections are displaying Trivia information which is inappropriate. At least I'm not just deleted all of the unsourced original research material :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.137.207.191 (talk) 13:50, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Real-world references
I removed the following and bring it here for discussion:

 * The scene at the end of the movie with Steve walking the red carpet with Klaus's nephew on his shoulders was inspired by Francis Ford Coppola walking with daughter Sofia on his shoulders at the Cannes Film Festival in the late 1970s. The scene is the same down to the white knee socks and black shoes Sofia wore.
 * "Zissou" was the nickname of French photographer Jacques Henri Lartigue's older brother. The portrait of Lord Mandrake, Zissou's mentor, is based on a famous photograph of Lartigue, and the photographer (who died in 1986) is even credited as playing the part in the end credits. Wes Anderson also referenced the photographer's work in Rushmore.
 * Although Anderson had made up the main character's unlikely name, it was eventually learned that there is a real Steve Zissou, a trial lawyer in New York. After being contacted by the film's production company, Zissou granted permission for his name to be used in the film, and he is listed in the film's credits.
 * The name of Zissou's research ship was the Belafonte. The name is a parody of Jacques-Yves Cousteau's ship the RV Calypso. Harry Belafonte is a famous singer of Calypso music.
 * Near the end of 2005, Mikhail Matz, a professor of marine biology at the University of Florida, witnessed and confirmed the fluorescence of the Chain Catshark making it very similar to the fictional "Jaguar Shark" of the movie.
 * The character of Zissou's producer, Oseary Drakoulias, is named after two prominent music executives, Guy Oseary and George Drakoulias.

None of this is referenced, and it should not be restored until it is sourced. ---  RepublicanJacobite  The'FortyFive' 06:02, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Film references
I removed the following from the article because it is completely unreferenced:

 * At one point Steve Zissou and Klaus Daimler are standing outside Jane Winslett-Richardson's cabin door. Steve says "Not this one, Klaus", a little homage to the character of Jules in the Truffaut film Jules et Jim. Jules and Jim have been happily sharing their girlfriends, but when Catherine comes onto the scene, Jules is smitten.
 * There is a scene from the documentary in which Bill Murray, Owen Wilson and Cate Blanchett are arranged in a row and are pointing forward, looking straight ahead. This is a reference to an earlier Anderson film, Bottle Rocket, where characters Dignan, Anthony and Bob are arranged as such for the cover. The shot was also recreated using the three main characters in Anderson's film The Darjeeling Limited.
 * Both scenes involving aerial shots of character's feet (in the Hot Air Balloon as well as the shot before the helicopter crashes) are homages to Fellini's 8½.
 * The scene during the credits, in which the characters walk along a pier, was inspired by the film The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension, which also featured Jeff Goldblum. When the characters board the ship, there is a man wearing a pilot's uniform and smoking a pipe at the top most point of the ship, before the rest of the crew have boarded. This is Ned reappearing for a "curtain call" (per the director's commentary), similar to how a deceased character appears at the end of the Buckaroo Banzai credits.
 * When Steve, Ned and Bill (the bond company stooge) are in the elevator leaving Oseary's office, Bill says "I'm also a human being" — possibly a quote from Victor Lazlo in Casablanca.
 * In the scene where the whole team has descended using the mini submarine to meet the jaguar shark, the puppet-like animation of the submarine is a possible reference to the Stingray television series.
 * The last scene of the movie is a tribute to Satyajit Ray's Apur Sansar.

As no sources are provided, all of this amounts to original research, with editors making their own determinations of Anderson's influences. This should not be restored unless it is sourced. ---  RepublicanJacobite  The'FortyFive' 17:14, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Literary inspiration
The "literary inspiration" subsection is titled incorrectly. What is offered there are suppositions from two different critics about similarities between this film and a novel, on the one hand, and another film, on the other. A section about "literary inspiration," especially as a subsection of the plot, would offer information about works of literature or film that, by his own admission, inspired Anderson in the making of this film. The information in this section, as it currently exists, should be moved to the critical reception section. ---  RepublicanJacobite  TheFortyFive 03:52, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

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Breweries
Do we really need an article on every brewery in Oregon? →Iñgōlemo←  talk 00:42, 2005 Jun 5 (UTC)
 * See Wikiproject Beer. —Sean κ. + 18:34, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Another wiki
Portland beer lovers looking to build up a wiki on the subject, but seeking a more permissive environment than Wikipedia, may be interested in the Portland beer wiki. -Pete (talk) 01:45, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Most Breweries per Capita?
This statement is not true: "Portland has more breweries and brewpubs per capita than any other city in the United States."

Asheville, NC has eight breweries and brewpubs for a population of about 78,000, or one for every 9750 people, compared to Portland's 46 breweries and brewpubs for a population of 582,000, or one for every 12,600 people.

Source: http://www.exploreasheville.com/foodtopia/food-adventures/asheville-breweries/index.aspx That article lists nine breweries, but Pisgah is in Black Mountain, NC. 98.17.66.47 (talk) 18:02, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

 * Yes, these sorts of "facts" are usually quite slippery. If it includes the Portland metro area of ~2 million, plus all the surrounding brewpubs, does that improve it?  What about Asheville?  What about a brewpub which has multiple locations around town—a chain?  Does it count as one?  A more comprehensive and reliable source is needed to give all competing claims in the article.  I doubt there is a definitive answer to be found.  —EncMstr (talk) 18:25, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

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"Eisenach sights" has been merged with "Eisenach, Germany". See following page history as transferred from "Eisenach sights":

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Dieter Simon 00:44, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Heinrich Liebe, in `personalities', was born in Gotha according to his Wiki biography. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.9.25.250 (talk) 08:07, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

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David L. McDonald

David Lamar McDonald (September 12, 1906 – December 16, 1997) was an admiral in the United States Navy, who served as the 17th Chief of Naval Operations from 1 August 1963 to 1 August 1967 during the Vietnam War era.

Early life and education
McDonald was born in Maysville, Georgia, on September 12, 1906. He originally sought to go to the United States Military Academy, receiving a nomination from Representative Thomas Montgomery Bell of the 9th Congressional District. After learning he was 2 months and 12 days too young, he opted to attend Riverside Military Academy first, then entered the United States Naval Academy, graduating in 1928.

Naval career
Before becoming a naval aviator, McDonald was assigned to the battleship USS Mississippi (BB-41) and the battleship USS Colorado (BB-45). He spent three years, from 1935 to 1938, as a flight instructor at Naval Air Station Pensacola in Pensacola, Florida. Between 1938 and 1955, he served as flag secretary of the aircraft command of the United States Atlantic Fleet, commander of the Naval Operational Training Command, executive officer of the aircraft carrier USS Essex (CV-9) in the Pacific and assistant chief of staff for operations of the United States Pacific Fleet.

From 1951 to 1952, McDonald served as the commander of the escort carrier USS Mindoro (CVE-120). During the mid-1950s, McDonald commanded the aircraft carrier USS Coral Sea (CV-43). In the early 1960s, before becoming Chief of Naval Operations, he served as Commander, United States Sixth Fleet. At the time of his selection as Chief of Naval Operations, he was the youngest full admiral in the navy, and had only received his fourth star a month prior.

While serving as the Chief of Naval Operations, he denounced the alleged cover-up surrounding the 1967 USS Liberty incident: “I think that much of this is extraneous and it leaves me with the feeling that we’re trying our best to excuse the attackers…Were I a parent of one of the deceased this release would burn me up. I myself do not subscribe to it.”

In 1976, nearly a decade after he retired, McDonald wrote in his autobiography of his participation in the escalation of the Vietnam War: "Maybe we military men were all weak. Maybe we should have stood up and pounded the table... I was part of it and I'm sort of ashamed of myself too. At times I wonder, "why did I go along with this stuff?""

The airfield at Naval Station Mayport, Florida, is named after McDonald.

Awards

 * Navy Distinguished Service Medal with gold star
 * Legion of Merit
 * Bronze Star Medal with "V" device
 * Navy Commendation Medal with "V" device and gold star
 * Presidential Unit Citation with bronze star
 * American Defense Service Medal with "A" device
 * American Campaign Medal
 * Asiatic-Pacific Campaign Medal with one silver and one bronze star
 * World War II Victory Medal
 * Navy Occupation Medal
 * National Defense Service Medal with star
 * Philippine Liberation Medal with two stars

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blatcherism

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. — Trilobite (Talk) 14:57, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Blatcherism
Neologism with 52 google hits. →Iñgōlemo←  talk  00:45, 2005 Jun 5 (UTC)
 * Delete. If you go by the news media, every politican has his or her own ism. But we strive for more long-term notability. 01:30, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete: The neologism is one factor, but truthfully the reason for deletion is that, whether the term is in use or not, it is not stable. It's ephemeral.  While "Thatcherism" indicated a precise set of economic policies and a particular manner of dealing with dissent, this attempted coinage will slide away because there is no single method or policy, so this will go away as soon as dissent to Blair does. Geogre 01:43, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete neologism. JamesBurns 04:29, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete neologistic rant masquerading as scholarship. Blairism is a recognised political term in the UK - although it is ephemeral - of this I've never heard. The concepts involved can be, and are, discussed elsewhere. Anyway, isn't Blair’s ideology about opportunity - known as opportunism? --Doc (?) 13:48, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.


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User talk:Dscos/archive13

=May 2005=

Signpost article
You can save your strength and ideas for next week when I'm gone. I'll do this week's Signpost article (late tonight or tomorrow morning). Any ideas are appreciated, though. Mgm|(talk) 17:12, May 7, 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, alright. I can usually do it, just let me know a little while in advance.  Next week, then?  BLANKFAZE | (что??) 17:16, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

FAOC
Re your vote on styles. I understand and agree. But only casting one vote is effectively a vote against Alternative 1 because it means that less opposition is recorded against its nearest rival. Ireland uses an electoral system called Proportional Representation using a Single Transferable Vote. It works on the same principle as the one being used (only less complicated! I never thought I would find a system more complicated than PR.STV!) What you do is give your bottom preference to the people you want to defeat, and spread your vote in a way that boosts the rivals of the alternative you do not want. So if for example, you find Alternative 3 the one you least like, give it your bottom vote so that opposition to it is recorded. And spread the other votes to ensure the weakest get votes ahead of it. If for example in Ireland I want to ensure candidate 'x' of Fianna Fáil is elected, and ensure candidate 'y' of Sinn Féin is defeated, and there are 15 candidates, I give my number 1 to 'x', my number '15' to 'y' and spread my other votes to ensure that all other candidates beat 'y'.

Sinn Féin and Fianna Fáil voters famously used to practice a 'first and only choice' vote by just voting for their own preferred candidate and then stopping. They eventually realised that they were wasting their vote because they weren't using it to block those they were most opposed to, or to build up the rivals to the candidate they were opposed to. To stop Alternative 3 winning, if that is what you want, give it your fifth choice and give your second, third and fourth choices to the weakest options.

Just be careful though not to copy everyone else doing it. If everyone gives the same other alternatives the same order of votes they may win. So if option 4 gets a lot of 2s, give it a 4. Doing a full vote right down the line will have the effect of strengthening Alternative 1 vis-a-vis 3 or whatever. Just voting for 1 and stopping actually weakens it against its rivals if everyone else votes down the line, because while their opposition to different alternatives is recorded, by stopping at 1 your's isn't. That is why though very popular Alternative 1 is being beaten. Remember the winner won't be decided by who has more votes for, but which faces the least opposition. By voting first and only choice you haven't recorded your opposition to the other options. Slán Fear ÉIREANN (talk) 00:23, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't like Condorcet voting. I prefer straight up polls, with one choice per person.  That's why I didn't list other choices. BLANKFAZE | (что??) 00:40, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

 * It is your prerogative how to vote. I am posting the following to all those who are currently voting First and Only Choice on any alternative. Whig 13:01, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Survey on Prefixed-Styles
Since you are one of the people currently voting a "First and only choice" I am hoping to encourage you to vote a full set of preferences in the ongoing survey before May 14, in order to prevent a deadlock which will result in no consensus. Whig 13:01, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry, buddy. There are no other acceptable options in my mind than the one for which I "voted";  therefore "ranking" or any sort of other thing would be wrong, because no other option would be my second or third or so on preferred choice, for I prefer no other options. BLANKFAZE | (что??) 18:27, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
 * That's fine. I tried to be fair and post the same encouragement to everyone who had expressed a single preference, regardless of which preference they had chosen. There is very little chance of deadlock now, in any case. Despite any disagreement between our respective positions, I appreciate that you've taken the time to express your view. Whig 17:13, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Btw, I do intend to submit the winner of the survey to a straight up or down ratification vote. Whig 17:14, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Jeffrey W. Parker
Hello, I have done significant work on this article since your vote. Please consider changing your vote, should be persuaded that notability has been more convincingly established by these modifications. Thanks, 205.217.105.2 16:46, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Warren County Canal
Perhaps a Signpost article could be written on the swiftness (13 days) that this article went from creation to featured status? User:PedanticallySpeaking.
 * Yeah, maybe so, but I'm not really interested in writing it... :-) BLANKFAZE | (что??) 23:07, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

User:24.70.95.203
User:24.70.95.203 is a menace. This person should be blocked. I noticed that you removed much of this person's talk page when you issued a warning. I was wondering why? Thanks. -- Samuel Wantman 09:59, 15 May 2005 (UTC) I've restored the past talk to an archive and linked it to the talk page. I don't see evidence that it is a different person. -- Samuel Wantman 20:14, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
 * A lot of the stuff was months and months old... I figured it was probably a different user... BLANKFAZE | (что??) 17:07, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Spelling
See Manual of Style. Gdr 20:33, 2005 May 15 (UTC)
 * I'm well-familiar with the MoS, thanks. BLANKFAZE | (что??) 00:03, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Then how do you justify your edit ? Gdr 08:36, 2005 May 16 (UTC)
 * The correct spelling should be used on our most visible of pages. It embarasses me, to have corrupted spellings on the main page. BLANKFAZE | (что??) 11:50, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
 * But "color" is not an incorrect spelling. Are you really familiar with Manual of Style? Gdr 11:57, 2005 May 16 (UTC)
 * Yes, yes it is. And yes, very much so, I've read the MoS from cover to cover, more than once, even. BLANKFAZE | (что??) 20:38, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
 * What make you think it is incorrect? Gdr 21:55, 2005 May 16 (UTC)
 * What do you mean what makes me think that? British English is correct;  all variants are corruptions... BLANKFAZE | (что??) 00:16, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

(что??)
I had to comment on your signature. что is one of the few words in Russian I still know on sight. (If nothing else you can easily keep a conversation going... "что?"... and they keep talking... - Tεx  τ  urε  21:14, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
 * :-) I don't see you around much, anymore, bud... good to see you. BLANKFAZE | (что??) 21:29, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Life is like that... lotsa interruptions... -  Tεx  τ  urε  21:39, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

PHS
I made some edits regarding Pensacola High School and the high black population, and the link between new zoning laws to bring more white people in. I'm afraid the way I worded it was a bit...racist, so please read it and tell me what you think. Mike H 22:14, May 16, 2005 (UTC)
 * Eh, it's alright, I guess. I myself would probably just excise the paragraph entirely, as I don't think it's really that imporant/worth any possible conflict... but it's fine, I guess.  Maybe you should try try rewording it a little bit... right now it sort-of implies that there is an implicit connection between African-Americans and poverty, as if the two go hand-in-hand.  BLANKFAZE | (что??) 23:22, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Maybe there's not a direct correlation between the two, but come on....I went there and it's pretty obvious. I know the "no original research" rule; I'm trying to get around that. Mike H 01:50, May 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * I realise that, but I think associating the two is treading on thin water, and I'd prefer to avoid it. BLANKFAZE | (что??) 01:54, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Signpost
I feel like a jerk for not remembering this sooner, but I won't be able to do this week's article either. I have to go to a wedding. Can you take over again? Mgm|(talk) 12:14, May 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I probably can... I have an obligation Sunday... but I might be able to do it Saturday if I don't have any-Navy related stuff to do, I'm not sure, though. BLANKFAZE | (что??) 21:34, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Another Pensacola media-related article
Voilà. Mike H 20:19, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * This is an article not related to media, but this time a person. Mike H 02:44, May 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * Wow. How... interesting. BLANKFAZE | (что??) 05:43, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
 * And a follow-up. Mike H 18:02, May 22, 2005 (UTC)

I added pictures to the Beth-El and PHS articles. Take a look-see. Mike H 01:36, May 29, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks mate
I'm beginning to feel a bit better. But... from now on I'll not do any more pranks that disrupt pages. - Ta bu shi da yu 07:04, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

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Zarumilla Province

Zarumilla is one of the three provinces of the Tumbes Region in northwestern Peru. It borders the Pacific Ocean on the north, Ecuador on the south and east, and the Tumbes Province on the west.

Its capital is the town of Zarumilla. Other important settlements in the province include Matapalo and the border town of Aguas Verdes, which is connected to Ecuador by a bridge.

Zarumilla was established as a province on November 17, 1942.

The Zarumilla River, located in the eastern part of the province, marks the border between Peru and Ecuador. In 1998, during El Niño, the river changed its course, moving 1 km2 of land into its eastern margin. Ecuadorians took advantage of this situation, saying that the river is the natural border marker and therefore gives them rights in the affected area. The Peruvians argued that the area is sovereign Peruvian soil.

Boundaries

 * North: Pacific Ocean and Ecuador
 * East: Ecuador
 * South: Ecuador and Tumbes Province
 * West: Tumbes Province

Political division
The province is divided into four districts (distritos, singular: distrito):
 * Matapalo
 * Papayal
 * Zarumilla
 * Aguas Verdes

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Suzanne Mubarak

Suzanne Saleh Mubarak (سوزان مبارك, Thabet [ثابت]; born 28 February 1941) is the widow of Egyptian former president Hosni Mubarak and was the First Lady of Egypt during her husband's presidential tenure from 14 October 1981 to 11 February 2011. She has served as Goodwill Ambassador of the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization, and founded the Cairo Child Museum in collaboration with the British Museum.

Early life and education
Suzanne Saleh Thabet was born in Al Minya Governorate, located on the Nile River about 250 kilometres to the south of Cairo, on 28 February 1941. She was the daughter of an Egyptian paediatrician, Saleh Thabet, and Welsh nurse Lily Palmer, a native of Pontypridd. Her parents married in London in 1934, when Thabet was a medical student at Cardiff University and Palmer was a nurse working at The Infirmary on Camden Road, Islington. Mubarak has an older brother, Mounir Sabet, who is a former president of the Egyptian Olympic Committee. She attended St. Claire School in Heliopolis, Cairo.

She met her future husband, Egyptian Air Force officer Hosni Mubarak, when she was 16 years old. The couple married when she was 17 years old and had two sons; Alaa Mubarak and Gamal Mubarak. She returned to school ten years after her marriage. She is a Christian.

Mubarak graduated from American University in Cairo (AUC) in 1977 with a bachelor's degree in political science and then received a master's degree in sociology from AUC in 1982. Her thesis is entitled "Social Action Research in Urban Egypt: Case study of primary school upgrading in Bulaq".

First Lady of Egypt
Mubarak became First Lady of Egypt upon her husband's accession to the presidency on 14 October 1981 and served as First Lady until her husband's resignation on 11 February 2011.

Mubarak's activities in projects relating to human trafficking and family affairs became prominent in Egypt. She led the Egyptian U.N. delegation in conferences relating to women and children. In 1985 she founded the Child Museum of Cairo in collaboration with the British Museum. In 2005, she opened the Hurghada branch of Mubarak's Public Library. In October 2008, she was nominated as Goodwill Ambassador of the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations (FAO). She was a patron of the children's television series, Alam Simsim (Arabic for "Sesame's World"), Egypt's version of the American series, Sesame Street.

In March 2008, Egyptian journalist Ibrahim Eissa was arrested for reporting on Hosni Mubarak's health problems in August 2007. Mubarak then gave a rare television address to allege that Hosni was actually healthy and reporters who suggested otherwise deserve to be punished.

Family

Suzanne Mubarak has two sons, Alaa and Gamal, a granddaughter, and two grandsons, one of whom, 12-year-old Muhammad Mubarak, died on 18 May 2009, in Paris after a two-day health crisis.

On 12 March 2021, the European Union lifted the sanctions against nine Egyptian individuals including the Mubarak family, in place since 2011.

Honours

 * 2006: Ibsen Centennial Commemoration Award, presented by Queen Sonja of Norway in Egypt on the occasion of the Ibsen Year
 * The 1989 UNICEF Executive Board conferred upon Mubarak its highest honour, the "Maurice Pate Award", in recognition of her efforts for child survival, protection and development.
 * Given the highest Award in 1989 by the Rehabilitation International Centre for her outstanding services and support to disabled children.
 * Given an Honorary Fulbright Award, in recognition of her efforts in the field of child development and education,
 * The "Together for Peace Foundation" bestowed upon Mubarak "The 1992 Enrique de la Mata International Prize for Peace" in recognition of her promotion of child development and alleviating the suffering of victims of natural disasters.
 * The Rotary Foundation of Rotary International named Mubarak in 1992 a "Paul Harris Fellow" in appreciation of the assistance for the furthering of better understanding and friendly relations between peoples of the world.
 * The "Health for All Gold Medal", the highest distinction awarded by the World Health Organization, was conferred upon Mubarak in June 1994 in recognition of her contributions to improving the quality of life of the women and children of Egypt and her commitment to international efforts aimed at integrating health in the development process.
 * Mubarak received the International Book Committee, International Book Award in April 1995 in recognition of her efforts to promote reading in Egypt.
 * Soka University bestowed upon Mubarak its Award of Highest Honour in April 1995.
 * Westminster College, New Wilmington, honoured Mubarak with the degree of Doctor of Laws in recognition of her achievement for the people of Egypt and in causes valued by the international community.
 * "The American World Book Association for Publication Award" in recognition of her role in the publication of books and her efforts in supporting the campaign of "Reading for All".
 * "Award of the Arab Publishers Federation" in recognition of her efforts in promoting Arab literature. Cairo, 1996.
 * The UNESCO Avicenna Medal in recognition of her role in promoting cultural activities in Egypt, 1997. The award "honours heads of state and other personalities who have made a significant contribution to the advancement of UNESCO’s goals".
 * "Prize of Tolerance", European Academy of Sciences and Arts, Salzburg, 1998.
 * "The Degree of Professor Counsellor", Shanghai University, April 1999.
 * "Honorary Doctor Degree", Iwa University, Seoul, for her efforts to promote women's education and social development in Egypt, April 1999.
 * The "Rotary Award" for her efforts in combating polio, June 1999.
 * "Honorary Doctor Degree for Humane letters", American University in Cairo, February 2000.
 * "Honorary Doctor Degree", American University in Spain, in recognition of her efforts in the social field in Egypt, February 2000.
 * "Honorary Doctor Degree", Azerbaijan State Economic University, in recognition of activities in field of education and her efforts to protect and promote women and children rights across the Arab world. November 2009
 * The Alexandria Regional Center for Women's Health and Development was formerly called The Suzanne Mubarak Regional Centre for Women's Health and Development, in recognition of her work on behalf of women in Egypt.
 * In December 2006 Mubarak received the Dr Rainer Hildebrandt Human Rights Award endowed by Alexandra Hildebrandt.

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Edwin Eugene Bagley

Edwin Eugene Bagley (May 29, 1857 – January 29, 1922) was an American composer most famous for composing the march National Emblem.

Bagley was born in Craftsbury, Vermont on May 29, 1857. He began his music career at the age of nine as a vocalist and comedian with Leavitt's Bellringers, a company of entertainers that toured many of the larger cities of the United States. He began playing the cornet, traveling with the Swiss Bellringers for six years. After his touring days, he joined Blaisdell's Orchestra of Concord, New Hampshire.

In 1880, he came to Boston as a solo cornet player at The Park Theater. For nine years, he traveled with the Bostonians, an opera company. While with this company, he changed from cornet to trombone. He also performed with the Germania Band of Boston and the Boston Symphony Orchestra. In the early 1900s he played with Wheeler's Band in Bellows Falls, Vermont. Wheeler's Band was the first to publicly perform Bagley's "National Emblem March" in 1906.

Edwin Eugene Bagley is best known for composing marches, particularly the famous march National Emblem. This piece is played as a patriotic tune on Independence Day celebrations in the United States and features an excerpt from "The Star-Spangled Banner". It is also used by the U.S. military when presenting and retiring the colors. A theme from this march is popularly sung with the words "and the monkey wrapped his tail around the flagpole".

Bagley died in Keene, New Hampshire, on January 29, 1922.

Bagley's Marches

 * L'Agresseur (The Aggressor) March (1915)
 * America Victorious
 * American Salute
 * Arbitrator March (1908)
 * Bagley's Imperial March (1901)
 * Col. Estey March (1908)
 * Counselor March (1917)
 * Father of His Country March (1931)
 * Federation March
 * Front Section March (1909)
 * Holy Cross Commandery March (1902)
 * Knight Templar March (1911)
 * March Imperial
 * The Morning Light March (1900)
 * National Emblem (1906)
 * Our Republic March (1908)
 * Patriot March (1902)
 * Post 68 G.A.R. (1902)
 * Regent March
 * Royal March (1902)

Edwin was married to Jannette S. Hoyt (1855–1927). His brother Ezra M. Bagley (January 3, 1853 – July 8, 1886) was the first trumpeter in the Boston Symphony Orchestra from 1880 to 1884 and also composed marches for bands. Edwin died at the Elliot Community Hospital in Keene, New Hampshire, and is buried at the Greenlawn Cemetery in Keene. The Victorian Bandstand in Keene is named in his honor.

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Home Entertainment Suppliers

Home Entertainment Suppliers Pty. Ltd. (or HES) is an Australian company that distributes computer games and gaming equipment. HES' offices are based in Riverwood, Sydney. HES's founder and managing director is Sebastian Giompaolo.

They began distributing Commodore 64 titles such as Pitfall! made in 1982 and Kung-Fu Master in 1984 and Atari 2600 titles nearing the end of the 1980s under the name Activision.

HES still remains a dominant distributor within Australia, despite not being well known. HES currently is the distributor for Mad Catz, Saitek, and Gamester joysticks, cables, memory cards, and other peripherals. HES also remains the official Australian distributor for Action Replay.

Quite a large number of software titles are currently also being distributed by HES for Windows, Xbox, PlayStation 2 and Game Boy Advance by publishers ZOO Digital Publishing, Tru Blu Entertainment and Phantagram.

In the past, HES had gained a reputation for developing and distributing some interesting peripherals such as their auto fire controllers, Game Boy power adaptors, Master System converters for the Mega Drive and adapters for NES games such as the HES Unidaptor and HES Unidaptor MKII.

In 1999, the company created the publishing arm Tru Blu Entertainment for software titles created by the company, including the hit NRL Rugby League and AFL Live titles.

Unlicensed
In the late 1980s and early 1990s, HES ported games from American Game Cartridges, American Video Entertainment (AVE), Bit Corp, Color Dreams, Epyx, Thin Chen Enterprise (Sachen, Joy Van, etc.) and Tengen onto the Nintendo Entertainment System (NES) as unlicensed titles, although they did not release games by Camerica or Active Enterprises. Most games were released in plastic cases like a video box with printed instructions on the inside, however sometimes the AVE titles were released in their original AVE boxes with a HES sticker simply stuck over AVE's original one. HES at the time became widely known for their unlicensed distribution of NES games at budget prices. Nintendo tried to fight against all unlicensed companies by introducing a Nintendo Seal of Quality on all their products which signified that titles adorning the symbol are guaranteed to operate on their NES hardware. To combat this, HES introduced their own seal that mimicked Nintendo’s seal, possibly in the hope of confusing buyers.

In order to circumvent other methods that Nintendo created to stop unlicensed developers (10NES), HES developed the 'Piggy Back' or 'Dongle' games, where one could insert an official NES cart into the HES game and it operated the country code of the official title instead of HES'. This was so successful that HES also used the same technology to build a device to entirely bypass the 10NES security protocol which was released as the HES Unidaptor. The adapter allowed 72-pin and 60-pin NTSC NES/Famicom games to be played on a PAL NES.

HES introduced games to Australia that were not released elsewhere in the western world, and these have become very sought after classics. However, HES also chose to release their multigame cartridges and a few of their single game titles in very limited numbers. Such titles are extremely scarce and thus nearly impossible to find.

NES titles

 * Arctic Adventure: Penguin & Seal
 * Chiller
 * Death Race
 * Duck Maze
 * F-15 City War
 * Impossible Mission 2
 * International Ultimate League Soccer
 * Jackpot
 * Little Red Hood
 * Othello
 * Pac-Man
 * Pipemania
 * Raid 2020
 * Pyramid
 * R.B.I. Baseball
 * Sidewinder
 * Super Sprint
 * Toobin'
 * Twin Eagle
 * Vindicators

Multi-game cartridges

 * 2 Pack Special (International Ultimate Soccer League (Magexa Soccer), Super Sprint)
 * 4 in 1 Fun Blaster Pak (Pipemania, Twin Eagle, Joyvan Kid, and Little Red Hood)3
 * 4 in 1 Total Funpak (Pac-Man, Sidewinder, Duck Maze, and Othello)
 * 4 in 1 Mind Blower Pak (Math Quiz, Jackpot, Arctic Adventure, and Incantation)
 * Maxi 15 (2 Variants, Red Cart which had Game Number 3 as "Death Race" and Game Number 6 as "Double Strike" and a more rarer Green Cart which has Game Number 3 as "Pyramid" and Game Number 6 as "Black Jack"
 * Real Players Pack 6-Pak (has the same unique games as Caltron 6 in 1/Myriad 6 in 1)

4 Pak All Action
4 Pak All Action was a 1995 unlicensed video game for the Master System that was released exclusively in Australia. This game is only compatible with the Master System 2 console. It includes four games: Power Block, Adventure Kid, Twin Mouse',' and Cave Dude''.

Atari 2600 titles
HES released quite a few titles and multi game packs for the Atari 2600 Video Computer System. The cartridges are virtually identical to the Activision cartridges, but the Activision logo on the underside is blacked out.
 * 2 Pak Special (Dungeon Master, Creature Strike)
 * Smash Hit Pak (5-in-1 cartridge: Frogger, Stampede, Seaquest, Boxing, Skiing)
 * Super Hit Pak (5-in-1 cartridge: River Raid, Grand Prix, Fishing Derby, Sky Jinks, Checkers)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The White Lion, Thornbury

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was merge with Thornbury, South Gloucestershire. Sjakkalle (Check!)  14:20, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The White Lion, Thornbury
No evidence of notability. --W(t) 00:53, 2005 Jun 5 (UTC)
 * Delete . There must be a White Lion in many English towns.  I wouldn't trust this article because it's by a known vandal who cannot spell Gloucestershire. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 01:11, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Well I did my homework and the place does exist. I change my vote to merge with Thornbury, South Gloucestershire, with redirect, or keep. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 21:05, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete even though I wish Tony would stop dragging personality issues into VfD discussions. They don't help (especially when the delete consensus is pretty much a foregone conclusion) and they damage our ability to work together. Isaac R 01:26, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. I'm sorry if you think that I've done this in any case, let alone this one. I think you've misunderstood what I wrote (my fault). The edit history of the person who created this article (whom I'd never encountered before this) shows that he is engaged in some pretty blatant vandalism.  That isn't a personalit issue, it's a fact that tips my judgement on this already rather dubious entry. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 01:39, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Call it what you want. It is not useful to make general allegations against users here. Let's talk about content, not people. ---Isaac R 02:17, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * That was actually a very specific allegation. The editor in question has vandalized. The fact that an article has been produced by a vandal is a factor in determining whether it can be taken on good faith. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 02:43, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * If you have a basis for these allegations, you should pursue sanctions against the user. But as long as we allow somebody editing privileges, we have to assume good faith. Without that assumption, this whole collaborative editing experiment is a waste of time. Isaac R 04:12, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * That may be your interpretation of "assume good faith" but it is certainly not everyone's. Many people interpret it as "assume good faith until an editor betrays that faith; after that, the burden of proof is upon them to demonstrate that their edits are sincerely meant and worthwhile."  I don't see how everyone's time is wasted by learning from experience; I don't see why we must assume that an editor who has vandalized in the past is now making good edits until it's proven that those specific edits are not. -- Antaeus Feldspar 19:39, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * That would turn every discussion into a debate over good/bad faith. One last time: let's talk about CONTENT. Isaac R 19:17, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * No, I think once someone is a confirmed vandal it pretty much settles the debate on whether they can be counted on for good faith. -- Antaeus Feldspar 23:55, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete: Just a pub. Single businesses (like high schools) are not proper subjects of articles unless they are notable in some way and stand out from the others of the type.  Wikipedia is not the restaurant guide. Geogre 01:38, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete non notable. JamesBurns 04:30, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, this pub stands out because "it won the 1999 Britain in Bloom" award for Best Pub Display. Could be merged with Thornbury if not kept. Thanks for the research Uncle G. Kappa 07:13, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge There isn't much reason to keep this stub, but there is a good article on Thornbury that it would easily fit into. Sonic Mew 13:42, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge, this pub is already mentioned in the Thornbury article, and there is even a picture of it, but there isn't a need for its own aritcle. NSR 18:37, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge to more complete parallel article. Mr Bound 19:13, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment As it happens the White Lion, Thornbury is verifiable (there in an entry in the British Pub Guide, for instance.  So I could buy a merge with Thornbury, South Gloucestershire.  There are three other pubs in Thornbury on beerintheevening.com, so if someone is keen on pubs it might be fun to add pub entries to British villages and towns. Quite a large task, though. There must be around twenty pubs within a half hour walk of my house. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 20:25, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge into Thornbury, South Gloucestershire - one of many real and fictitious pubs with that name - Skysmith 10:07, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep ··gracefool |☺ 03:53, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Suisei (mythology)

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was - kept - SimonP 14:48, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

Suisei (mythology)
Contents is "Suisei (水星) is a figure of Japanese mythology and is the messenger god. This is also the Japanese name for the planet Mercury." I believe the "figure of Japanese mythology" part is incorrect, coming from Mercury being a messenger god in Greek mythology. "Suisei" means water star, Japanese planets mostly take their name from "elements" like water, wood, fire etc, not from mythical beings. Kappa 00:54, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * ''After more content has been added, this article should now be merged or kept in my opinion. Kappa 21:13, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep but edit let's just remove that part and add more information.Sasquatch′↔Talk↔Contributions 01:31, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete --- No, you can't save the article by removing controversial facts. That leaves you with "Suisei is the Japanese name for the planet Mercury" and I don't see an article in that. ¶ Incidentally, this myth-myth is also on List of geological features on Mercury. Makes you wonder if there isn't some general misunderstanding. It does so happen that the Japanese name for Wednesday is Suiyobi (water day). The Japanese didn't start using a 7-day week until they opened up to the West in the 1870s. So this might be a nod to the fact that Wednesday is Dies Mercurii in Latin. Perhaps Suisei is the Japanese name for a western god? Isaac R 03:42, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Japanese names for the first five planets were adopted from Chinese.  (The more recently discovered planets are a different story).  Search of 水星 turns up only the planet, or discussion of Western mythology.  Same findings at ja:&. --Tabor 04:08, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete unverifiable. JamesBurns 04:31, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete unless someone who actually knows something about Japanese mythology is willing to defend it with reputable cites. Somehow I don't see that happening. Schmeitgeist 22:28, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * My username is the Chinese/Japanese name for the planet Mars, so that much is true. Abstain until I can do more research. Fire Star 04:25, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify, the fact that 水星 (water star) is the Japanese name for the planet Mercury is not disputed. This is easily confirmed.  The question is whether it denotes any Japanese mythological figure, because without that, there is nothing to support an article here. --Tabor 18:02, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment --- It's interesting/useful to examine ja:&. (What? You don't read Japanese? The Google translation is suprisingly readable.) That article has a big section on Mercury in western mythology, but nothing about any Japanese messenger god. Isaac R 18:48, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * KEEP, as there is no dispute that Suisei is the name of the planet in Japanese, (and ***CHINESE**** for that matter, which is the original language from whence the name comes), and there is mythology associated with it. It just needs a rewrite. 132.205.45.148 19:29, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Fine. What's the article about? The fact that Suisei mean "Mercury"? If that's all you have, it belongs on Wiktionary. Isaac R 20:04, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - article has since been expanded. ··gracefool |☺ 03:50, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Current article has nothing about Suisei as a Japanese mythological figure. ---Kusunose 03:36, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Assuming it survives, I'll merge/redirect it back to Suisei. Kappa 21:51, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - with four different stub catagories, one would hope it would recieve some expansion attention from a ethnic interested party once finals are over. Fabartus 05:11, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages.  Please do not edit this page .