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Talk:Long Island iced tea/Archive 1

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There seems to be a lot of evidence that this drink was actually invented in the 1970s at the Oak Beach Inn (OBI). Check Google. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mike Schiraldi  (talk • contribs) 08:07, 8 June 2005 (UTC)

 * I'd like to see any evidence that the OBI was located at any time in its history in HAMPTON BAYS. To the best of my recollection, OAK BEACH INN was on the Ocean side of Ocean Parkway, on -- I assume -- Oak Beach, just west of the Robert Moses Bridge.  Hampton Bays is much further to the east of both.  Perhaps the author is confusing the OBI with the CANOE PLACE INN which was in fact located in HAMPTON BAYS? — Preceding unsigned comment added by  209.139.22.54   (talk • contribs) 23:18, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

 * There were several OBI locations. The OBI East was near the Shinnecock Canal between Hampton Bays and Southampton. See the Wiki page on the Oak Beach Inn. [Paul Newman, Kings Park, NY native] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.57.248  (talk • contribs) 23:13, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

 * A real Long Island Iced Tea does not have tequila in it, by the way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.251.115.10  (talk • contribs) 01:03, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Taste like tea?
"The drink also shares a similar taste to tea." C'mon! If a long island ice tea tastes like tea to you, then you have either been drinking bad tea or bad long islands. Also, to me, a LIIT needs tequila and the cola must be Coca-Cola. Pepsi just doesn't have the complexity 58.107.87.183 09:18, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I've reworded the tastes like tea bit, to make it a little more NPOV. 58.107.87.183 09:29, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I think it tastes like artificially sweetened tea beverage ie: nestea or something like that 71.79.89.211 23:44, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

 * I will be happy to clear up any misconseptions about the LIIT. I was there.(Dabigw 03:01, 1 August 2007 (UTC))

 * "I was there" isn't a reference. The information you continue inserting is unverifiable by anyone else. This is why I keep removing it. Putting it up there and hanging a "citation needed" tag isn't valid, either. Provide proof from a reliable source and hey, great, it's verified and I can leave it alone. fethers 17:38, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Dear Feathers, Please excuse me. I'm not sure how to correctly have a discussion with you. I certainly am not proficient at using Wilipedia. You seem to be an expert. This is my first experience being directly involved with Wikipedia. I certainly don't want to yell at you. This is the 30th anniversary of what I believe to be the origin of the Long Island Ice tea. Because another bartender from OBI got his name in print doesn't make his the only verifiable story. It hasn't been easy staying quiet these many years. At this point in my life I figured the truth as I know it should be discussed. If in fact there is verifiable proof that the Long Island Ice Tea existed before 77-78 I will back down and call it a coincidence. Is the reason you keep pulling the story from Wikepedia because you have first hand knowledge? Dabigw 19:57, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Welcome to Wikipedia Dabigw. From what I can tell, Fethers is not removing any content due to his first hand knowledge, but due the fact that the claims are unverified. Check out that link to see what the burden of proof is on Wikipedia. Your contributions are certainly welcome, but they must be verifiable by reliable, third party sources - no original research. If you've got a source, check out WP:CITE for how to write citations. --skew-t 02:39, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Wow strange debate, it is called Long Island Ice Tea because it tastes like very sweet ice tea made from a mix served in cheap bars and diners, it is also often served in the same glass as ice tea is served to enhance the illusion. I agree it tastes nothing like real tea, so whatGeo8rge (talk) 22:43, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

 * A further comment 6 years on from the last... a GOOD Iced Tea does, in fact, taste like non-alcoholic iced tea. Those who think differently have never had a GOOD Long Island Iced Tea. Most places that sell them and most bartenders who make them do not have the faintest idea of what makes a good LI Iced Tea. Most of the junk you get is a sickly sweet concoction that tastes nothing like the real thing. Bad diners? "Sweet" tea? Give me a break. An authentic Iced Tea (I live on Long Island, we leave the "Long Island" part of the name for the tourists) is something most of the commenters here have never had, that's pretty obvious. JeffTracy (talk) 08:55, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Origins
There is mention of the possible origins in the article, and a link at the bottom. Someone needs to link these two as a citation. 58.107.87.183 09:28, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I imagine people that remove information without fixing what they feel is a problem is a common practice on Wikipedia. I have studied the origins of Long Island Iced Tea for many years because I grew up adjacent to the tiny community of Long Island in Kingsport, Tennessee where this cocktail was invented by Charles Bishop in the 1920's, passed along to his son Ransom and took mainstream in the 1940's.  The people of Long Island, Tennessee simply called it Ransom's Tea - and they had a great time with Teatotalers.  What puzzles me is that people don't want to know the truth about anything.  The almost always believe what they are told to believe.  I write a book about the community of Long Island - whoop - a -dee - do, it's about common people.  It's about "The Man" not giving the little guy his say.  It's about the birth and origin of Long Island Iced Tea.  I only want the story preserved.  I could care less about Pecuniary gain.  The fact that these crooked "by the book" Wiki-experts believe they know everything but consistently bash and take away good information based on their opinion is beyond me.  This is one reason people get disenchanted with Wikipedia - because these so-called experts know very little about truth - only what they are told to believe and think. (UnderstandingApples (talk) 16:55, 26 January 2008 (UTC))

 * This just showed up.

May I make a contribution to oral history before it's totally forgotten? Since it doesn't turn up on Google, I may be the last repository of this knowledge. What we know as the Long Island Ice Tea began its life as the Fire Island Ice Tea. It was created at Fire Island Pines at the Blue Whale in the 1970s and served during tea dance. AFter a short period of time mainland kids discovered that it was a damned fine date rape concoction and began turning up, not exactly welcome, at the tea dance. And they began falling into the harbor and blocking the ferry, which was driven by a friend of mine at the time. I also was around in those days, idly and without compensation helping deliver the Sunday Times to Calvin Klein and Tommy Tune. Amazingly, ferry captains and their dissolute friends like the drink too. Anyway, the Pines bartenders stopped serving it, and the drink migrated across the Bay and was picked up by mainland LI bartenders, who renamed it to eliminate the gay connection. Over the past few years some gay drink mixers have been doing a variant of the Long Island Ice Tea and calling it the Fire Island Ice Tea. No, Mary, not quite. Other way around. Doubt it can be verified obviously, but does it deserve mention at least as a possible origin? 76.14.65.190 (talk) 22:44, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

 * I think the Tennessee bootlegging moonshine story is a fable, see . The Long Island (Tennessee) connection seems even more impossible as the island was a chemical factory since the '20s. I also wonder how they got from moonshine and coke (I assume) to the ingredients in LIIT. Where did they get all 5 liquors, in white form, during the prohibition?  And why did they reduce their value by mixing them with coke?   The whole story seems like complete BS to me.  I think Y'all have been snookered.  I don't mind it being mentioned but it is most likely BS Geo8rge (talk) 22:59, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

 * Rereading the story, I also doubt there are any hills on Long Island Tennesse as the story suggests. The story also seems to imply that what was concocted was moonshine, maple syrup, coke and lemon(I assume).  Which is not a LIIT.  Once again I say the story is scam.  Geo8rge (talk) 23:15, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

 * "Fire Island Ice Tea" is also most likely a fable. I see it mentioned in all the net exactly once. Geo8rge (talk) 23:02, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

I see the following problems with the Long Island (Tennessee) origin:

 * The Long Island (Tennessee) connection seems impossible as the island was a chemical factory since the '20s.
 * As far as I can find there are no hills on Long Island (Tennessee), as the story states.
 * The drink described seems to be moonshine, maple syrup, coke and lemon(I assume), which is not a LIIT.
 * I doubt that during prohibition it was possible to get all 5 liquor ingredients, in white form, in the 'hills' of Long Island (Tennessee)
 * In the south they use the term sweet tea not ice tea. I admit in the 1930's in TN it might be ice tea.
 * The story goes "Tennessee remained a "dry" state up until late 1970s" but Jack Daniels resumed production in 1939.
 * While it is possible that barmen attempted to disguise an alcoholic beverage as ice tea, it does not seem practical for a bootlegger as it would mean transporting diluted booze. The economics do not work.
 * During prohibition it would have been hard to get all 5 liquors together in one place except for very high end places where the drink would surely have gotten publicity. Also The drink would have likely have appeared openly in Canada and Cuba, which did not have prohibition.
 * The WP entry may be a publicity stunt by the author or publisher of the 'apples' book, or a misguided fan..

I personally think the entry should be deleted or mentioned as a footnote, or as LIIT in popular culture. It seems like a really bogus story to me.Geo8rge (talk) 11:15, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

 * If the history is traced to the Oak Beach Inn, Babylon, New York, I believe it is based upon a concoction I created at a cast party at my house in the spring of 1974. I was a senior at the West Islip High School, we had just finished put on MacBeth at the school. I had the cast party at my house. One of the girls at the party asked for a different type of drink, so I mixed four liquors together, add a teaspoon of sugar and the Cocoa Cola for color. It was a big hit.

 * It would not supprise me if that girl, after graduating college, came back to the Oak Beach Inn, and asked the bartender to make up the drink. I cannot remember her name, I would have to go to the year book to see if I can remember who it was. The Inn was a local bar to West Islip as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.39.245.254 (talk) 15:12, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

 * Fans and historians claimed [...] What fans? What historians? Sounds apocryphal, and it contradicts the history section. Spike2021 (talk) 18:05, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Whether it's "fans and historians" or "claimed" by some unmentioned authority, it is nothing but weasel words. Unless and until a clear citation is found, I will continue to tag, and eventually will remove the prohibition-connection nonsense. Spike2021 (talk) 16:56, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * invented during the Prohibition era This seems bogus as the during prohibition getting the ingredients in the same place seems impossible.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Geo8rge (talk • contribs) 11:43, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Actual Origins
The Older Man, Charles Bishop, in the late 1920's concocted the first mixture of Long Island Iced Tea known of to the general underbelly of Kingsport upon the once sacred ground of Long Island in Tennessee. "The Meeting Place" holds the truth to the origins of this drink and Old Man Bishop's son Ransom perfected the drink in the 1940's. It contained their own homemade rum, white liquor, etc, but the KEY - and this for you is free - is the maple syrup. In the dirty south we are known for improvising to get by - stick it to the Man - and the teetotaler (or Tattle tale) information mainstreamed by the Corporate elite as false is actually TRUE. Those witnesses are still alive - though they pass away with each day - The Greatest Generation - your ancestors and mine. They fought together at Normandy and they died together at the Bastionne. Calling Hack Cleek "Click", an honorable man, a liar - or Clay "Dirt" Rodefer dishonest is like saying a chicken with it's head cut off isn't dead. It is gone gone gone, though it may run a mile and strut a final step. TRUTH - real truth - is obscured by deciet... lies. We must recognize the wolf. I am not saying Mr. Butt's claim doesn't have merit but his resurface has come much too late. Those of us who know the TRUTH - don't want a handout. We would prefer that TRUTH be preserved and that credit is given to the common men that first invented it. Tennessee remained dry until the 1970's where I live - the blue laws did not effect us. There was no reason to make the actual claim until Ransom - an ornery cuss but proud and simply put - a smooth salesman that sought no recognition for his contribution to the world - may not have spoke up then for fear of being incarcerated... again, his story deserves told just as much as Mr. Robert Butt's claim to a similar, stronger brother to our proud Long Island and your, too. (UnderstandingApples (talk) 02:18, 16 March 2008 (UTC))

Variations
I removed the out-of-control section about variations on the LIIT theme. There was no verification that these drinks are in widespread use. Also, when an explanation sounds like "this is substituted for this, and this other stuff is substituted for this other thing..." then we're talking about an entirely different drink, not just a variation. Joyous! | Talk 14:04, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Merge: Hamptons Iced Tea
I added a mergefrom tag for the article Hamptons Iced Tea. To me, this reads like a slight variation on the LIIT, but I don't know a lot about drink mixing, so please correct me! kateshortforbob 11:40, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism?
As can be seen, tequila was removed from the recipe which can't be correct? I'm not sure enough to revert this. --130.208.147.148 21:44, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Vandalism indeed. Tequila is listed in the, which the infobox references. Reverted. --skew-t 11:16, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Disagree. I would like to know the ages of people who think tequila should be in a LIIT.  Back when I drank more you only got tequila in one from some of those awful fake Mexican restaurants, and they sold them as Mexican Iced Teas.  I drank at bars all over and never had tequila added.  (I also had at least one bartending book - Mr Boston's -  with the same non-tequila recipe.)  I think adding tequila is something new. (Within the last 15? years). Jwkinraleigh (talk) 05:08, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

 * I grew up in Long Island from 1963 through the 80's. LIIT was my "birthday drink" from the time I was old enough to use a fake ID (16). Every bar I ever went to on LI served LIIT with Tequila. It continues to amaze me that this is even a point of confusion! [Paul Newman, Kings Park HS, Class of '81] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.57.248  (talk • contribs) 16:14, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

My Favorite Drink
The industry recipe is: Vodka, Tequila, Rum, Gin, and Triple Sec. Caveat: All Clear. After the standard 1 oz. pour of all liquors, add sour mix and coca cola. See The Cheeseake Factory's menu for more industry standard drinks. InvisibleDiplomat (talk) 15:39, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Highball?
I thought a highball had to have more mixer than spirit? A LIIT is 15 parts spirit (if you put them all together) and 11 parts non-acloholic liquid.86.167.221.159 (talk) 23:03, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

~28% alcohol?
I just noticed the wiki says "The drink has a much higher alcohol concentration (~28%) than most highballs because of the proportionally small amount of mixer" this can't be right can it? Using the following brands:
 * Bacardi white rum (37,5%)
 * Smirnoff vodka (37,5%)
 * Sauza silver tequila (38%)
 * Gordon's gin (37,5)
 * Cointreau (40%)

... the combined 7,5cl of these in the drink contain 38,1% alcohol, which is 2,8575cl... if 2,8575cl is 28% of the drink, that means the total amount of liquid in the drink would be 2,8575/28=0,10205 (1%) *100=10,205cl ... the liquors in the drink already make up 7,5cl, the lemon juice and gomme syrup another 5,5 which already makes a total of 13cl ... even without the added cola that's already less than 28% ... a dash is 0,9cl if i am correct, so that means the drink in total would contain 13,9cl of liquid...

 * 1% would be 0,139cl
 * 2,8575/0,139=20,56%

now 0,9cl is not a lot, so i would picture most bartenders putting in more than that, making the alcohol percentage even lower ... unless I'moverlooking some commonly used other brands of the liquors, which have higher alcohol percentages, i'd say that saying the drinks contains ~20% alcohol is more accurate... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hagelslagfabrikant (talk • contribs) 19:00, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

 * You seem to have forgotten the large amount of ice most bars put in the glasses, so there is probably far less lemon juice and syrup in it then you think. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.3.37.79 (talk) 23:25, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Northern New Jersey, 1977
This is only my story, which is why it's here and not on the Wikipedia page proper, but I had "Long Island Iced Teas" at a bar in Northern New Jersey in 1977 and 78. I later made them for my college fraternity parties in Virginia in the later 70s and early 80s, but that's another story. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.111.133.185 (talk) 18:47, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

More Origins Discussion
An IP editor is currently changing the article's content as to the invention of this cocktail - unfortunately without adding any references to support the changes. Are there verifiable sources, other than the print book by Degrof? Or is the true inventor lost in the mists of the 70s? Geoff TC 02:19, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I haven't seen any obviously reliable sources online stating the origin. Ask Yahoo and EHow mention the same details as this article does at present, but I'm not sure they match up to WP:RS and they don't specify their own source. Perhaps the dearth of info is in part due to the popular legend the drink was made to disguise the alcohol content during prohibition. --skew-t (talk) 03:16, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Merger of Frankston Iced Tea
I've added the text starting with, ":The Frankston Iced Tea is a highball containing Irish Whiskey, ...." in order to merge this NN cocktail. Cites needed. Bearian (talk) 20:02, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Long Island Iced tea
was created in shooters pub on montauk hwy. in Hampton Bays. Mongo was the owner,Bevo was his partner, we had a contest to see who could come up with the craziest cocktail, the original name was a GLASS of BRAINS, which was eventually changed to Ricardo's iced tea. we had a couple of bar owners from jersey who asked if they could serve the drink in their bar, at the time the recipe was a secret. they would come out every couple of weeks and one time they said what a hit it was, i said i did not want to be presumptuous because several bartenders Harpo Mickey Shields the Shaft had something to do with the cocktail. so i told Billy the owner of a bar from jersey to call it Long Island Iced Tea. this was in 1974 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.230.140.84 (talk) 02:09, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

The Craig Gilmore Iced Tea
OK, what does this excerpt supposed to mean? "The Craig Gilmore Iced Tea substitutes bacon vodka for the vodka, bacon gin for the gin, bacon rum for the rum, bacon tequila for the tequila, and a slice of bacon for garnish." Dreammaker182 (talk) 05:07, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Angosturas Bitters
I've been drinking LIITs in UK bars since I was old enough, and I've never seen it served with Angosturas Bitters. I think the comment that the unpopularity of sours mix means that other things are often used instead is relatively accurate but I wouldn't like to generalise about UK cocktails like that. I've in fact worked in a bar where sours mix was used, and another uses lemon purée and a squeeze of lime. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.47.201.176 (talk) 19:16, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Recipe
According to the german entry the original recipe does not include coke. Though the IBA recipe is used for the article it would be nice to mention this difference. There is probably a bit of research needed.178.9.135.122 (talk) 11:57, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Variations II
I removed this section because it's getting out of control, again. (Texas Tea: gin is substituted with tequila. ... there's already tequila in the drink.) I left the Adios Motherfucker because I am comfortable that is a widespread variant, but I'm fine with someone removing it because it's not sourced. 67.164.156.42 (talk) 07:08, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I think I had originally tagged the section. I'm removing the final one as unsourced. I fully believe there are hundreds of variations. However, without sources we have no indication that any of them pass the level of being "(your) Grandma's apple pie": yeah, one person (or several, if you count your aunts) make it that way, but it isn't significant to the history of apple pies. Sorry, Grandma. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 15:35, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Long Beach Iced Tea
I tried looking up Long Beach Iced Tea, but it re-directed here. I though re-directs were only for variations on the name of the same thing (such as "puma" or "mountain lion" redirecting to the article for "cougar"). Maybe it's a variation on the Long Island Iced Tea, but the Long Beach Iced Tea looks different, tastes very different and is definitely a different drink. To have it automatically redirect to the the Long Island Iced Tea page without further explanation implies that the two names refer to the same thing. If it's not going to get its own article, wouldn't it be better to have it just return ' The page ____ does not exist  '? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.49.169.167 (talk) 01:26, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

IBA Standard
This drink, like any other IBA drink, should adhere to a standard. That standard includes content, measures and procedure. The procedure I put on the page, and which was removed multiple times, is the one taken from the IBA site. It is also an IBA standard drink, putting a reference to the IBA official list seems redundant, as there are already links and info showing that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.229.60.238 (talk) 00:28, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Possible copyright violation removed
This edit added material that previously appeared here, apparently in 2009. , who added the material is a regular at Wikipedia, so I figured I might be missing something, but have had no response to my question. I have removed the material in question. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 13:26, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * The Adios Mother is consider a variation of the Long Island Ice Tea or a Blue Hawaiian.

 * I did eventually get to it ... Adios Mother redirects here so I thought some mention was important. --evrik (talk) 17:56, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Removing Origin Spam
I just removed some references to the Long Island Iced Tea having been in print in the 1960's. On March 11, 2014, the user, Drinkreader, added a note that read, "According to David Herpin the Long Island Iced Tea appears in literature as early as 1961 New picture cook book by Betty Crocker in 1961 American home all-purpose cookbook by Virginia T. Habeeb in 1966 Punch: Volume 256 by Henry Mayhew, Mark Lemon, Tom Taylor in 1969". I looked up the New Picture Cook Book by Betty Crocker and the American Home All-Purpose Cookbook, but neither one had a reference to the Long Island Iced Tea. Drinkreader, made a lot of contributions to other cocktail entries using the phrase, "according to David Herpin." So those too may be subject to more scrutiny. But for this article, I just removed the references to the drink appearing in print in the 1960's.

I also removed the mention that, "Local rumors also ascribe the origin to either Butt or another bartender at the Oak Beach Inn, Chris Bendicksen." When you read the cited source, Chris Bendicksen is mentioned as a rumor but there is no more context or credence to it then that. So, it didn't seem appropriate for this entry.

FidelCashflow (talk) 16:55, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Long Island, Tennessee notes
I was born in 1948 in Kingsport, Tennessee. Long Island is on the south end of town surrounded by the forks of the South Holston River.

 * Zero. The odds of two places both named Long Island developing a mixed drink called a Tea are pretty high.

 * One. Long Island was and is only partially owned by the Eastman chemical company, with a small residential community on the east end dating from the 1920s and a park commemorating the Cherokee Indian meeting ground on the west end.

 * Two. Only recently did the chemical plant buy out the last holdout residents of the Long Island community to further expand the factory to the east. There are other businesses, ball fields, and the park still on the west end.
 * Three. The county also had local option prohibition 1953-1968. Social membership-only clubs like VFW, Eagles, etc. with state liquor licenses were exempt. Six miles north, Virginia state operated Alcohol Beverage Commission stores. Long Island had bootleggers in that time (as did my neighborhood).

 * Four. During the late 1960s, I heard talk of Long Island Tea among party goers (notice, no ice.) It was kind like "jail house stew" -- everyone who came to a party contributed what they brought to the punchbowl, just like everyone contributed what they brought to the pot for jail house stew.

On who was first, May and June 2018 Kingsport Times-News carried a series of articles on the Long Island Iced Tea controversey. Two taste-offs were scheduled 27 Jun 2018, the Kingsport Team at Hudson's on the Mile at Long Island, New York, and then 13 Jul 2018, the New York team at Kingsport. https://www.timesnews.net/tags/long-island-iced-tea -- Naaman Brown (talk) 02:34, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 22 October 2019

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: MOVED as proposed - consensus is that it's not a proper noun per reliable sources. Nice Ngram usage - it really clinched the argument that the name is not predominately capitalized. Red  Slash  05:54, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Long Island Iced Tea → Long Island iced tea – capitalization is currently incorrect Зенитная Самоходная Установка (talk) 04:23, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
 * This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 14:36, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

 * queried move request Anthony Appleyard (talk) 14:38, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Most cocktail names are capitalized as proper nouns (see article's categories). This is not a descriptive phrase. Station1 (talk) 06:07, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose the title is is a proper noun. --evrik (talk) 16:55, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose per above, proper noun. See Template:IBA Official Cocktails for further examples.  Ignatz mice•talk 19:11, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose The article is not about iced tea made on Long Island, but a company.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 20:21, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment False, it's about the mixed drink that anyone can make in their home. This is not an article about Long Island Iced Tea Corp. Зенитная Самоходная Установка (talk) 20:44, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Either way, it's STILL not about iced tea made on Long Island, but about a drink called "Long Island Iced Tea".ZXCVBNM (TALK) 00:47, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

 * Comment Broader discussion going on at Village_pump_(miscellaneous) Зенитная Самоходная Установка (talk) 22:31, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Support lowercase, as it frequently appears in sources. Not a proper name. Dicklyon (talk) 22:58, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per MOS:CAPS, WP:NCCAPS, and dozens of but hundreds of prior moved of other recipe topics, from ethnic dishes to herbal teas to breakfast foods to coffee cultivars to traditional stuff drinks like malta and hotchata. Cocktail names are absolutely proper names any more than any other folk recipe is. This is already covered by MOS:GAMES, which applies to all generic folk/popular culture topics generally (dances, sports, card games, etc., etc.). Generic recipes of any kind are not some mystical exception. The fact that drinks-focused editors have engaged in a blatant WP:Specialized style fallacy, over-capitalizing in a topic area hardly anyone else pays attention to is not any kind of excuse; it's a WP:CONLEVEL policy failure, and means nothing more than we need to move several more articles in that category. Just as we did a year or two ago with dances (and after an RfC that firmly concluded to lower-case such public-domain things). PS: The fact that the name of this drink is jokey doesn't transmogrify it somehow into a proper name. Welsh rabbit is a symmetrical example.  — AReaderOutThataway t/c 05:36, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

 * Support. There is absolutely no reason for cocktails to be seen as proper names. This seems to be some sort of conceit of cocktail fans, just as military fans and police fans (in particular) support the conceit that all military and police terms should be capitalised. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:05, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

 * Support - It's a common enough bar staple that there's no proprietary reason to capitalize all four words.--WaltCip (talk) 14:17, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

 * Support - per MOS:CAPS, WP:NCCAPS, Wikipedia relies on sources to determine what is conventionally capitalized; only words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources are capitalized in Wikipedia. This is the substantive criertia for determining the question, as arrived at by a broad community consensus. Per this n-gram, it does not meet the threshold to be capped in full. However, I will address the theoretical arguements made. There is an often perceived but false equivalence between proper names and capitalisation - the former being a matter of grammar and the other, a matter of orthography. There are lots of things that might be capitalised that are not proper names. Proper names are not descriptive. Caps have been traditionally used to distinguish a phase as a phrase (see MOS:WORDSASWORDS) since typewriters could only otherwise only use underline or quote marks and special fonts added to the cost of typesetting. Such use does not make it a proper name nor does it mean that "capitalisation is necessary" per the MOS. I would agree that the name is not descriptive or its description is in a satirical way since, while it may look like iced tea, there is no tea in it. This criteria is therefore open to debate. Where a proper name is for a set, the size of the set is fixed and invariable. Just had one, so there goes that theory. The name is for the recipe, you might say. A recipe is an intangible, an idea - which may be written down and reproduced. Abstract or intangible nouns are rarely considered proper nouns - and then, generally only when they are personified (such as gods). So what of a particular model of car. Well, that comes under capitalising of brand names. If anything, this particular name is more like a title, similar to the title of a book. But everybody is so hung up on what a proper name is nobody would even think to argue that. And in any case, the guideline says to rely on the empirical evidence and that evidence does not support capping. Regards, just had another one, Cinderella157 (talk) 06:06, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

 * Support per User:AReaderOutThataway. —  AjaxSmack  23:58, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Support I think the question of the capitalization of cocktail names in general is a bit more subtle than others have claimed. (This MLA blog post on the subject is an interesting read. But basically style guides and reference works vary significantly in how they treat the problem.) I think the best we can do is analyse RS usage (per MOS:CAPS and WP:NCCAPS) on a case-by-case basis. In this case, as Cinderella157 has shown, RS do not consistently capitalize "Long Island iced tea", so we should not (in the title, or in running text). Colin M (talk) 01:19, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

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Sequential function chart

Sequential function chart (SFC) is a visual programming language used for programmable logic controllers (PLCs). It is one of the five languages defined by IEC 61131-3 standard. The SFC standard is defined as Preparation of function charts for control systems, and was based on (itself based on binary Petri nets  ).

It can be used to program processes that can be split into steps. Main components of SFC are:
 * Steps with associated actions;
 * Transitions with associated logic conditions;
 * Directed links between steps and transitions.

Steps in an SFC diagram can be active or inactive. Actions are only executed for active steps. A step can be active for one of two motives:
 * It is an initial step as specified by the programmer.
 * It was activated during a scan cycle and not deactivated since.

Steps are activated when all steps above it are active and the connecting transition is superable (i.e. its associated condition is true). When a transition is passed, all steps above are deactivated at once and after all steps below are activated at once.

Actions associated with steps can be of several types, the most relevant ones being Continuous (N), Set (S), and Reset (R). Apart from the obvious meaning of Set and Reset, an N action ensures that its target variable is set to 1 as long as the step is active. An SFC rule states that if two steps have an N action on the same target, the variable must never be reset to 0. It is also possible to insert LD (Ladder Diagram) actions inside an SFC program (and this is the standard way, for instance, to work on integer variables).

SFC is an inherently parallel programming language in that multiple control flows — Program Organization Units (POUs) in the standard's parlance — can be active at once.

Non-standard extensions to the language include macroactions: i.e. actions inside a program unit that influence the state of another program unit. The most relevant such macroaction is "forcing", in which a POU can decide the active steps of another POU.

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Special D.

Special D. (born Dennis Horstmann, 16 September 1980) is a German DJ and dance music artist who was particularly popular in the Netherlands, where he won the 'Best Dance International' award at the 2004 TMF NL awards. He was also popular among the Eurodance scene in North America. The "D" in Special D comes from the DJ's first name, Dennis.

His best-known track, "Come With Me", reached number 6 in the UK Singles Chart and number 4 in the Irish Singles Chart in April 2004. He proceeded making more tracks, such as "You" or "Here I Am", which were frequently played on European dance floors.

His music featured in Crank: High Voltage.

He has started using Ableton Live in his live sets.

Albums

 * Reckless (2004)

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Talk:Eltham College

Coeducational
I started in the first year of the senior school in 1984, and the 6th form was already coeducational at that point - my sister attended the school herself from 1987-89, so I think the claim that the 6th form went coed in 1994 is well over a decade out.

It certainly is! I remember that the first few girls were admitted to the 6th Form when I was in the 5th Form (1979). The following year (1980) no girls were allowed to join the 6th Form as a parent had objected on the grounds that the school's constitution (?) defined it as a school for boys. The document was revised that year, allowing girls to be admitted to the Lower 6th again the following year (1981, the year I joined the Upper 6th). Therefore the 6th Form has presumably been coeducational continuously since 1981. I'll amend the text. [signed Rick Lewis 22/8/06]

Where's the picture?
I think an image of the school would be highly informative. There was a picture of the previous headmaster Paul J. Henderson standing outside the school but it appears to have been removed. Was there some sort of copyright infringement? - SC 28th May 2007
 * Yes, it was, what is known as, replaceable fair use. -- zzuuzz (talk) 00:11, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Changing the subject slightly, are there any open source images of the full school crest on the internet? There's a version on Google Images, but I'm not sure if it's open source —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.244.147 (talk) 21:28, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Notable former pupils
I have deleted all the non-notable people listed below (ie: those without separate articles). Some of these may well be notable, but nobody's got round to writing their article yet - hence keeping their details here.... Paul W (talk) 19:32, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

 * Prof. Simon Batterbury, Lancaster Univeristy
 * Prof Bill Deakin, Professor of Psychiatry since 1990 at the University of Manchester
 * Alan Furness CMG, Ambassador to Senegal from 1993-7
 * Stephen Hockman, QC
 * Prof Martin Jones, George Pitt-Rivers Professor of Archaeological Science since 1990 at the University of Cambridge
 * Rear Adm Philip Marrack CB, commanded the Admiralty Reactor Test Establishment, Dounreay from 1967–70
 * Prof Bob Mash, Stellenbosch University
 * Dr Andrew McCulloch, Chief Executive since 2002 of the Mental Health Foundation
 * Prof Philip Page, Professor of Organic Chemistry since 2007 at the University of East Anglia
 * Brian Southam, academic publisher and authority on Jane Austen
 * Prof Geoffrey Waywell, Professor of Classical Archaeology from 1987-2004 at King's College London, and Director from 1996-2004 of the Institute of Classical Studies
 * K P Witney, C.V.O., M. A. Under Secretary in the Home Office, retiring in 1976. Distinguished historian of Kent in the Anglo-Saxon period. His books include "The Jutish Forest" and "The Kingdom of Kent". Chairman of the Federation of Amenities Societies in 1981. Born 1916, now deceased.

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William D. Browne

Major William D. Browne is a former U.S. Army officer. He served in the postwar occupation military government of Germany, as a Major in the Third Army. He was involved in the recovery of German documents at the end of World War II.

Report on recovery of Nazi documents
Browne was the author of a 1946 U.S. Army Report: "Covering the locating, safeguarding, collecting and disposition of NSDAP records during period 19 September 1945 to 21 January 1946, by the Office of Military Government for Regierungsbezirk Oberbayern." The report, which is lodged in the U.S. National Archives, describes the discovery of the Nazi Party's worldwide membership card files in May 1945 by U.S. Army Counter Intelligence Corps personnel.

The report states, "An estimated 68,000 kilos of Party records and documents of Reichsleitung SA were discovered by agents of the 45th CIC Det in a paper mill at Freimann (X-8763). Included among the papers were all Party membership cards with identification photos, documents relating to the Party, SA courts, and SA administration."

Six to seven million of these cards were moved to the Army's Munich headquarters, located in the "Reichfinanzhof" building (Reich Finance Court). Browne's report included a photo of these files. Browne came upon the remaining files at the paper mill in September 1945. He alerted General Eisenhower's Supreme Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Force (SHAEF), which immediately ordered a major task force to organize and catalog the files. Browne's discovery received worldwide press coverage. The files subsequently became the heart of the collections of the Berlin Document Center (BDC), and were instrumental in the Allied Denazification of Germany, and in the Nuremberg War Crimes trials.

Role of CIC Agent Michel Thomas
In 2000, "Test of Courage" a biography of former CIC Agent Michel Thomas gave an account of his rescue of the files in May 1945. When Thomas's account was questioned by a Los Angeles Times reporter in 2001, Thomas sued the reporter and the paper for defamation, and commissioned a private investigator to research this and other issues.

The investigator's research led to Volume XXVI of The History of the Counter Intelligence Corps. This states that the first U.S. soldier to see the files in May 1945 was Counter Intelligence Corps Agent Francesco Quaranta. However, when the investigator interviewed Quaranta's widow, she said he did not speak or read German and would not have understood what was on the cards, nor did he ever mention any role in the discovery of the files.

As of 2002, only one other Agent survived from Thomas's unit, Mr. Walter Wimer. He stated in a sworn Declaration filed in Thomas's defamation suit that there were at most six German-speaking members of the unit, including himself and Thomas, and was unaware of any other agent who claimed a role in rescuing the files.

Thomas also kept original Nazi documents that he found at the mill, including one bearing the original signature of Heinrich Himmler.

In 2002, this evidence was submitted to Robert Wolfe, a leading expert on captured German war documents from the National Archives. Wolfe concluded that Thomas was the Counter Intelligence Corps Agent who originally rescued the files in May 1945. His monograph reviewing the evidence can be found at http://www.michelthomas.org; the text is pasted into the Talk section of this article.

In 2006, Gregory Gordon, a career prosecutor at the U.S. Justice Department's Office of Special Investigations, wrote an article that also credited Thomas with the rescue of the files.

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Kerry Melville

Kerry Melville Reid (née Melville; born 7 August 1947) is a former professional tennis player from Australia. During her 17-year career, Reid won one Grand Slam singles title and 26 other singles titles and was the runner-up in 40 singles tournaments. Reid was included in the year-end world top-ten rankings for 12 consecutive years (1968–1979). She won at least one tournament annually from 1966 through 1979, except for 1975. Her career-high ranking was world No. 5 in 1971, behind Margaret Court, Billie Jean King, Evonne Goolagong, and Rosie Casals.

Career
Melville won 27 singles tournaments and was runner-up in 37 more between 1963 and 1979. Against Hall of Fame players, Melville beat Margaret Court three times, Billie Jean King eight times, Evonne Goolagong six times, Chris Evert twice, Martina Navratilova once, Rosie Casals 20 times, Francoise Durr 14 times, Nancy Richey eight times, Virginia Wade four times, Tracy Austin three times, and Hana Mandlikova twice. Overall, Reid played 1,047 matches from 1962 to 1985, with a win-loss record of 737 to 310 (70.4% winning ratio).

In January 1977, Reid won her sole Grand Slam singles title when she defeated fellow Australian Dianne Fromholtz in the final of the Australian Open in two sets. Reid and Fromholtz were the only top-ten players who played the tournament. The previous week, Reid also defeated Fromholtz in the final of the New South Wales Open, where Reid and Fromholtz again were the only top-ten players who entered.

Melville began her Grand Slam tennis career in 1963 when she reached the third round of the Australian Championships. In 1966, she reached the semifinals of both the Australian Championships and the U.S. Championships, defeating Billie Jean King in the second round of the latter tournament. In 1967, Melville again reached the semifinals of the Australian Championships and reached the semifinals of the French Championships for the first and only time.

Melville was the women's singles runner-up at the 1970 Australian Open, losing to Margaret Court in the final in straight sets. However, the Australian Tennis Federation banned Melville and fellow Australian Judy Tegart from playing the Australian Open in 1971 and 1972, owing to their roles in having started the Virginia Slims circuit. Melville was the singles runner-up at the US Open in 1972, losing to King after defeating Chris Evert in the semifinal in straight sets.

In 1972, Melville reached the final of the inaugural WTA Tour Championships, where she lost to Evert in two sets. Reid reached the semi's at the 1973 season-ending Virginia Slims Championship. In 1977, Reid played in both season-ending championships, the Virginia Slims Championships and the Colgate Series Championships, respectively, each limited to the top eight players. In 1978 and 1979, Reid was again among the eight who played in the year-end Colgate Series Championships.

Reid capped her last year on the professional tour in 1979 by beating Navratilova for the first time in tournament play. Reid defeated Navratilova in a Family Circle Cup semifinal in two sets, then lost to Tracy Austin in the final. Reid also competed in the year-ending WTA Championships (limited to the year's top 8 players).

Melville Reid won the Australian Open women's doubles title twice, outright in 1968 and shared in December 1977. With Wendy Turnbull in 1978, Reid won the women's doubles title at Wimbledon, was the doubles runner-up at the US Open and the year-ending Colgate Series Championship, and won the doubles titles at the Virginia Slims of Seattle, the Virginia Slims of Philadelphia, the U.S. Indoor Championships, and the New South Wales Open.

Melville was a member of the Australian team that won the Federation Cup in 1968. She also helped Australia reach four consecutive Federation Cup finals from 1976 through 1979 on a variety of court surfaces. During that run, she beat several top players, including Rosemary Casals (1976 final on carpet), Wade (1977 semifinal on grass in Eastbourne just weeks before Wade's Wimbledon victory), Austin (1978 final in Melbourne on grass) and Hana Mandlíková (1979 semifinal on clay).

Reid was a member of the "Houston 9", the breakaway group led by Gladys Heldman in 1971 that formed the nucleus of the women's professional tennis tour.

World TeamTennis
Reid anchored a World TeamTennis team for each season of its inaugural incarnation (Boston Lobsters 1974–1976 and San Diego Friars 1977–1978). In 1977, Reid was undefeated in singles against both Martina Navratilova and Virginia Wade, defeating each three times. As of July 20, 1978, Reid had "won the most games of any woman ever in WTT in women's singles. ... I think part of it is she's always been on teams where she's had the sole singles role. ... it's a longevity record." (Julie Heldman commentary with Vic Braden, HBO "Phoenix Racquets vs. San Diego Friars (July 20, 1978)," 0.3:40 - 0:4:10 at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcZebskRl3M)

Personal life
She married Grover "Raz" Reid, a Boston Lobsters teammate, on 27 April 1975 in Greenville, South Carolina. Raz retired as a player in 1977 and coached Kerry during the remaining three years of her playing career. The Reids then retired to Raz's home state of South Carolina and raised two daughters.

Honours and awards
Reid was made a Member of the Order of the British Empire by Queen Elizabeth II in 1979. In 2014, she was inducted into the Australian Tennis Hall of Fame. Reid was among the "Original Nine" inducted into the International Tennis Hall of Fame on July 17, 2021.

Grand Slam singles timeline
1 The Australian Open was held twice in 1977, in January and December. 2,3 Melville did not play. Her opponent got a walkover.

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The Raconteurs

The Raconteurs (, also known as The Saboteurs in Australia) is an American rock band from Detroit, Michigan, formed in 2005. The band consists of Jack White (vocals, guitar), Brendan Benson (vocals, guitar), Jack Lawrence (bass guitar), and Patrick Keeler (drums). Lawrence and Keeler were originally members of the Greenhornes, while White and Lawrence went on to become members of the Dead Weather.

History
The band is based in Nashville, Tennessee. According to the band's official website, "The seed was sown in an attic in the middle of a hot summer when friends Jack White and Brendan Benson got together and wrote a song that truly inspired them. This song was 'Steady, As She Goes' and the inspiration led to the creation of a full band with the addition of Lawrence and Keeler." The band came together in Detroit during 2005 and recorded when time allowed for the remainder of the year. Due to the various members' success in other bands, they were quickly dubbed a supergroup. The band, however, asserted they were not, saying that the term implies something pre-planned or temporary, whereas they are actually "a new band made up of old friends."

The band are known as "The Saboteurs" in the Australian market, due to a Queensland band already using the name "Raconteurs." The Queensland band refused to give up their name for the amount of money they were offered, and instead asked for a higher price from The Raconteurs' record company, who refused to pay the greater amount. A member of the Queensland band said that they had not been informed of who was trying to buy their name and asked for the larger sum of money to see what would happen.

The band has played a number of music festivals in Europe, Asia, and North America (including Oxegen in Ireland; Reading Festival, Leeds Festival, Glastonbury Festival, and T in the Park in the United Kingdom; Heineken Open'er Festival in Poland; Vegoose in Las Vegas; Lollapalooza in Chicago; Bonnaroo in Manchester, Tennessee; Austin City Limits Music Festival in Austin, Texas; Coachella in Indio, California; and Orlando Calling in Orlando, Florida), headlining many.

2005–2007: Broken Boy Soldiers

The Raconteurs' full-length debut, Broken Boy Soldiers, was recorded at Brendan Benson's in-home studio located in Detroit. The first single was "Steady, As She Goes/Store Bought Bones" and was released as a limited-edition 7-inch, 45 rpm vinyl record in Europe on January 30, 2006, and in North America on March 7, 2006. A CD version of "Steady, As She Goes" was released on April 24, 2006, with the B-side "Bane Rendition."

The Raconteurs first performed live at the Academy in Liverpool, UK, on March 20, 2006, launching a short British tour. Their first American date was the following month, on April 20, at New York City's Irving Plaza. Nearly nonstop touring followed, bringing the band to audiences around North America and Europe. The high profile of Jack White meant that even though the band was new, they were able to sell out mid-sized venues—a rarity for a band's first tour.

Broken Boy Soldiers was released on May 15, 2006, in the UK on Third Man Recordings/XL Recordings and May 16 in the U.S. on Third Man Recordings/V2 Records. It entered the UK charts at No. 2 and the U.S. charts at No. 7.

In November 2006, the Raconteurs played eight dates as the opening act for Bob Dylan on the Northeastern leg of his U.S. tour. On November 3, 2006, the Raconteurs performed the song "Store Bought Bones" and the title track, "Broken Boy Soldier" on Later with Jools Holland. According to Planet Sound (who had reporters in attendance), during "Store Bought Bones," White's guitar malfunctioned and they had to re-play the song. This eventually happened four times, with the band breaking up in laughter by the fourth take. The TV airing used edited pieces from all four performances and cut out any laughter. The band's cover of "Teenage Kicks" by The Undertones appeared on a 40-year anniversary of the BBC live compilation. They played it live on a John Peel tribute.

The band has performed a number of covers during live shows. For instance, the set list usually includes renditions of "Bang Bang (My Baby Shot Me Down)" (a song written by Sonny Bono and popularized by both Cher and Nancy Sinatra) and "Headin' for the Texas Border" by The Flamin' Groovies. Other songs the band has covered include Gnarls Barkley's "Crazy," Bo Diddley's "Who Do You Love?," Ron Davies' "It Ain't Easy," Love's "A House Is Not a Motel", and Charley Jordan's "Keep It Clean." The band has also covered the song "Floating" by the Irish band Jape, and "Send Me a Postcard", by Dutch band Shocking Blue. They have also performed an old Blues song written by Big Joe Williams in 1935 (popularized by Van Morrison's "Them" in 1964), "Baby, Please Don't Go."

In December 2006, the band's debut album, Broken Boy Soldiers, was awarded the title Album of the Year by Britain's Mojo magazine. In 2007, the album was nominated for the Grammy Award for Best Rock Album. The Raconteurs were nominated for two awards at the 49th Annual Grammys: one for Best Rock Album for Broken Boy Soldiers, and another for Best Rock Performance by a Duo or Group with Vocal for "Steady, As She Goes" although they did not win in either category. The intro and ending of "Steady, As She Goes" is often used to play out Saturday Live, a long running radio programme on BBC Radio4.

2008–2009: Consolers of the Lonely
The Raconteurs released their second album, Consolers of the Lonely, on March 25, 2008. The first single, "Salute Your Solution", was released the same day.

The band also played tour dates including: Coachella on April 25, the New Orleans Jazz & Heritage Festival on May 4, Bonnaroo on June 13, T in the Park in Scotland on July 12, Oxegen festival in Ireland on July 13 and The Open'er Festival in Poland on July 4. They played at "The Pyramid Stage" at the Glastonbury Festival 2008 on June 28, the Montreux Jazz festival on July 7, at Lollapalooza on August 1, and on the main stage of Reading and Leeds Festival 2008 on August 23 and 24, as well as at the Austin City Limits Music Festival on September 26–28, 2008. They played "The Eden Sessions" at the Eden Project in Cornwall on June 29. The band also toured the U.S. during summer 2008. In 2009, Consolers of the Lonely was nominated for the Grammy Award for Best Rock Album but lost to Coldplay's album Viva La Vida, or Death and All His Friends. The band, however, did win the Grammy Award for Best Engineered Album, Non-Classical.

2010–2018: Dormancy and recording hiatus
In an interview in February 2010, Brendan Benson stated that the future of The Raconteurs was ambiguous, stating "I think we're all just really focused on other things." He went on to add that "it will come around and we'll get together again and hang out and maybe make a record or maybe not." On April 17, 2010, Benson and Keeler performed Raconteurs songs as The Racontwoers at Jack White's Third Man Records venue to coincide with a repressing of Broken Boy Soldiers on copper-colored vinyl. The pair was accompanied by Mark Watrous and Andrew Higley. The band played at the MI Fest on September 17, 2011, as well as September 15 at the Ryman Auditorium in Nashville, Tennessee. On November 12, 2011, the band played the inaugural Orlando Calling festival in Orlando, Fl. The Raconteurs announced an additional American show to play at The Tabernacle in Atlanta, Georgia on November 13, 2011. In April 2012, Third Man Records released two songs that were supposed to appear on Consolers of the Lonely: "Open Your Eyes" and "You Make a Fool Out of Me". The songs were re-recorded for Brendan Benson's next solo album 'My Old, Familiar Friend'. In February 2013, Jack White announced that the band was back in the studio recording new music. In March 2014, in an interview in The Guardian newspaper, Brendan Benson announced that a new album was "kind of off the table", suggesting that a new album was not currently in the works, and that the band's hiatus was more like a split.

Benson and Lawrence joined White onstage during the encore of his January 28, 2015 concert at the Bridgestone Arena in Nashville, TN. They played "Salute Your Solution" and "Steady, As She Goes". Keeler was unable to join since he was on tour with The Afghan Whigs at the time.

2018–present: Help Us Stranger
On October 8, 2018, Third Man Records announced a deluxe reissue of Consolers of the Lonely through the label's Vault quarterly subscription service would feature two newly-recorded songs, "Sunday Driver" and "Now That You're Gone", on an accompanied 7-inch vinyl. Both songs were made available digitally on December 19 and subsequently were included on the 2019 album Help Us Stranger. The album was released on June 21, 2019.

Help Us Stranger was recorded at Third Man Studio in Nashville. White and Benson wrote all songs except for a cover of "Hey Gyp (Dig The Slowness)", by Donovan. The album was produced by The Raconteurs and engineered by Joshua V. Smith. Musical collaborators included Dean Fertita of The Dead Weather and Queens of the Stone Age and Lillie Mae and Scarlett Rische of Jypsi. The album was mixed by Vance Powell and The Raconteurs at Blackbird Studios in Nashville.

The band announced plans for a live album entitled Live in Tulsa, which was recorded live at Cain's Ballroom in Tulsa, Oklahoma from October 13, 2019 through October 16, 2019.

In May 2020, the band released their Live at Electric Lady EP and documentary via Spotify. The documentary features a studio cover of the Richard Hell & the Voidoids classic “Blank Generation” as well as the full concert in studio A.

Band members
Current members
 * Jack White – vocals, lead guitar, keyboards, organ, piano, stylophone, mandolin, production
 * Brendan Benson – vocals, rhythm guitar, keyboards, organ, piano
 * Patrick Keeler – drums, percussion, backing vocals
 * Jack Lawrence – bass guitar, banjo, backing vocals

Touring members
 * Dean Fertita – keyboards, percussion, guitar, backing vocals (2006; 2011; 2019–present)
 * Mark Watrous – keyboards, fiddle, percussion, violin, vocals (2008)

Brit Awards

 * 2007
 * The Raconteurs
 * International Breakthrough Act
 * Nominated
 * Nominated

Country Music Awards

 * 2009
 * "Old Enough"
 * Musical Event of the Year
 * Nominated
 * Nominated

Grammy Awards

 * style="text-align:center;" rowspan="2"| 2007 || Broken Boy Soldiers || Best Rock Album || Nominated
 * "Steady, as She Goes" || Best Rock Performance by a Duo or Group with Vocal || Nominated
 * style="text-align:center;" rowspan="2"| 2009 || style="text-align:left;" rowspan="2"|Consolers of the Lonely || Best Rock Album || Nominated
 * Best Engineered Non-Classical Album || Won
 * style="text-align:center;" rowspan="2"| 2009 || style="text-align:left;" rowspan="2"|Consolers of the Lonely || Best Rock Album || Nominated
 * Best Engineered Non-Classical Album || Won
 * Best Engineered Non-Classical Album || Won
 * Best Engineered Non-Classical Album || Won

Mojo Magazine

 * 2006
 * Broken Boy Soldiers
 * Album of the Year
 * Won
 * Won

MTV Europe Music Awards

 * style="text-align:center;" rowspan="1"| 2006 ||style="text-align:left;" rowspan="1"|The Raconteurs || Best Alternative || Nominated
 * style="text-align:center;" rowspan="1"| 2006 ||style="text-align:left;" rowspan="1"|The Raconteurs || Best Alternative || Nominated

mtvU Woodie Awards

 * 2006
 * "Steady, As She Goes" video
 * Best Live Action Video
 * Nominated
 * Nominated

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Committee of Sponsoring Organizations of the Treadway Commission

The Committee of Sponsoring Organizations of the Treadway Commission (COSO) is an organization that develops guidelines for businesses to evaluate internal controls, risk management, and fraud deterrence. In 1992 (and subsequently re-released in 2013), COSO published the Internal Control – Integrated Framework, commonly used by businesses in the United States to design, implement, and conduct systems of internal control over financial reporting and assessing their effectiveness.

History
In 1985, COSO began as a private sector initiative to investigate the causal factors that lead to fraudulent financial reporting as a result of a number of accounting scandals in the 1970s and mid-1980s. This initiative was termed the National Commission on Fraudulent Financial Reporting; the first president of the Commission was James C. Treadway, Jr., a former Commissioner of the US Securities and Exchange Commission, and therefore the initiative was commonly called the "Treadway Commission". The Treadway Commission was sponsored jointly by five major professional associations based in the United States:
 * American Institute of Certified Public Accountants (AICPA)
 * Financial Executives International (FEI)
 * American Accounting Association (AAA)
 * Institute of Internal Auditors (IIA)
 * Institute of Management Accountants (IMA)

COSO first examined financial reporting from October 1985 to September 1987, releasing "Report of the National Commission on Fraudulent Financial Information". The report included observations on the extent of fraudulent financial reporting, the root causes of such fraud, the role of independent public accountants in detecting fraud, and the steps companies could take to prevent fraudulent activity.

As an extension of the original report and to fulfill its mission of improving financial reporting, COSO prepared a set of guidelines for managing a system of internal controls over financial reporting. In 1992, COSO published "Internal Control – Integrated Framework" which detailed five key components of an effective internal control system, along with tools to evaluate the effectiveness of such a system. In 2013, COSO re-released the Integrated Framework, stating that significant changes in technology and global business trends increased the need for quality systems of internal control, and provided enhanced guidance for the application of the overall principles.

As part of the changes of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002, public companies in the United States are required to use a system of internal controls in order to evaluate the effectiveness of their own financial reporting, and to report on the results of that evaluation to their investors in their annual financial statements. The COSO framework is commonly used, given its broad applicability to all industries and enterprise sizes.

Key concepts of the COSO framework
The COSO framework defines internal control as a process, carried out by the board of directors, the administration and other personnel of an entity, designed to provide "reasonable security" with respect to the achievement of objectives in operations, financial reporting, and compliance with applicable laws and regulations.

COSO organizes its framework into five interrelated components, subdivided in 17 principles. COSO notes that in order for an effective system of internal control to reduce the risk of not achieving an entity's objectives, (i) each of the five components of internal control and relevant principles is present and functioning, and (ii) the five components are operating together in an integrated manner.

Control environment
The control environment sets the tone of an organization, influencing the control consciousness of its people. It is the basis of all other components of internal control, providing discipline and structure. Factors in the control environment include integrity, ethical values, the operational style of administration, the delegation of authority systems, as well as the processes for managing and developing people in the organization.

Risk assessment
Each entity faces a variety of risks from external and internal sources that must be assessed. A prerequisite for risk assessment is the establishment of objectives and, therefore, risk assessment is the identification and analysis of risks relevant to the achievement of the assigned objectives. Risk assessment is a prerequisite for determining how risks should be managed. The four underlying principles related to risk assessment are that the organization should have clear objectives in order to be able to identify and assess the risks relating to those objectives; should determine how the risks should be managed; should consider the potential for fraudulent behavior; and should monitor changes that could impact internal controls.

Control activities
Control activities are the policies and procedures that help ensure that management directives are carried out. They help to ensure that the necessary measures are taken to address the risks that may hinder the achievement of the entity's objectives. Control activities occur throughout the organization, at all levels and in all functions. They include a range of activities as diverse as approvals, authorizations, verifications, reconciliations, operational performance reviews, asset safety and segregation of functions.

Information and communication
Information systems play a key role in internal control systems, as they produce reports, including operational, financial and compliance-related information, which make the operation and control of the business possible. In a broader sense, effective communication must ensure information flows down, across and up the organization. An example is the formalized procedures for individuals to report suspected fraud. Effective communication with external parties, such as customers, suppliers, regulators and shareholders on related political positions, must also be guaranteed.

Monitoring
Internal control systems must be monitored, a process that evaluates the quality of system performance over time. This is achieved through continuous monitoring activities or separate evaluations. Internal control deficiencies detected through these monitoring activities must be reported upstream and corrective measures must be taken to ensure continuous improvement of the system.

Limitations
Internal control involves human action, which introduces the possibility of errors in prosecution or trial. Internal control can also be overridden by collusion among employees (see separation of duties) or coercion by senior management.

The magazine CFO reported that companies are struggling to apply the complex model provided by COSO. "One of the biggest problems: limiting internal audits to one of the three key objectives of the framework. In the COSO model, these objectives apply to five key components (control environment, risk assessment, control activities, information and communication, and monitoring "Given the number of possible matrices, it is not surprising that the number of audits can get out of control." CFO magazine continued to state that many organizations are creating their own risk and control matrix by taking the COSO model and modifying it to focus on the components that relate directly to Section 404 of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act.

Business risk management
In 2001, COSO initiated a project and hired PricewaterhouseCoopers to develop a framework that administrations could easily use to evaluate and improve the business risk management of their organizations. High-profile commercial scandals and failures (e.g., Enron, Tyco International, Adelphia, Peregrine Systems and WorldCom) prompted calls to improve corporate governance and risk management. As a result, Sarbanes–Oxley Act was enacted. This law extends the long-standing requirement for public companies to maintain internal control systems, which requires management to certify and the independent auditor to certify the effectiveness of those systems. The Internal Control – Integrated Framework continues to serve as the widely accepted standard to meet those reporting requirements; however, in 2004 COSO published "Enterprise Risk Management – Integrated Framework." COSO believes that this framework is expanded in internal control, providing a more robust and extensive approach to the broader issue of business risk management.

Four categories of business objectives
This business risk management framework is still aimed at achieving the objectives of an entity; However, the framework now includes four categories:
 * Strategic: high-level objectives, policy alignment and supporting their mission.
 * Operations: effective and efficient use of resources.
 * Reports: reliability of reports
 * Compliance: compliance with applicable laws and regulations

Eight frame components
The eight components of business risk management encompass the five previous components of the Integrated Internal Control Framework while expanding the model to meet the growing demand for risk management:
 * 'Internal environment': The internal environment encompasses the tone of an organization and establishes the basis of how risk is seen and addressed by the persons of an entity, including the risk management philosophy and risk appetite, integrity and ethical values, and the environment in which they operate.
 * 'Setting objectives': The objectives must exist before management can identify potential events that affect its achievement. Business risk management ensures that management has implemented a process to establish objectives and that the chosen objectives support and align with the mission of the entity and are consistent with its appetite for risk.
 * 'Event identification': Internal and external events that affect the achievement of the objectives of an entity must be identified, distinguishing between risks and opportunities. The opportunities are re-channeled into management strategy or goal-setting processes.
 * 'Risk assessment': The risks are analyzed, considering the probability and impact, as a basis for determining how they should be managed. The risks are inherently and residually assessed.
 * 'Risk response:' Management selects risk responses, avoiding, accepting, reducing or sharing risk, developing a set of actions to align risks with the entity's risk appetite and risk appetite.
 * 'Control activities:' Policies and procedures are established and implemented to help ensure that risk responses are carried out effectively.
 * 'Information and communication:' The relevant information is identified, captured and communicated in a way and time frame that allow people to fulfill their responsibilities. Effective communication also occurs in a broader sense, flowing down, through and up the entity.
 * 'Monitoring:' The entire business risk management is monitored and modifications are made as necessary. Monitoring is achieved through ongoing management activities, separate evaluations or both.

Limitations
COSO admits in its report that, although business risk management provides significant benefits, there are limitations. Business risk management depends on human judgment and, therefore, is susceptible to decision making. Human failures, such as simple errors or errors, can lead to inadequate risk responses. In addition, controls can be avoided by collusion of two or more people, and management has the ability to override business risk management decisions. These limitations prevent a board and management from having absolute security regarding the achievement of the entity's objectives.

Philosophically, COSO is more oriented towards controls. Therefore, it has a bias towards risks that could have a negative impact instead of the risks of missing opportunities. See ISO 31000.

While COSO states that its expanded model provides more risk management, companies are not required to change to the new model if they are using the Integrated Internal Control Framework.

Internal control over financial information – guidance for small public companies
This document contains guidance to help smaller public companies to apply the concepts of 1992 Internal Control – Integrated Framework. This publication shows the applicability of these concepts to help smaller public companies design and implement internal controls to support the achievement of financial information objectives. It highlights 20 key principles of the 1992 framework, providing a principles-based approach to internal control. As explained in the publication, the 2006 guideline applies to entities of all sizes and types.

Guidance on monitoring internal control systems
Companies have invested heavily in improving the quality of their internal controls; However, COSO noted that many organizations do not fully understand the importance of the monitoring component of the COSO framework and the role it plays in streamlining the evaluation process. In January 2009, COSO published its "Guidance on the monitoring of internal control systems" to clarify the internal control monitoring component.

Over time, effective monitoring can lead to organizational efficiencies and reduced costs associated with public information about internal control because problems are identified and addressed proactively, rather than reactively.

The COSO Monitoring Guide is based on two fundamental principles originally established in the 2006 COSO Guide:
 * Continuous and / or separate evaluations allow management to determine if the other components of internal control continue to function over time, and
 * Internal control deficiencies are identified and communicated in a timely manner to the parties responsible for taking corrective measures and to management and the board, as appropriate.

The monitoring guide also suggests that these principles are best achieved through monitoring based on three general elements:
 * Establish a basis for monitoring, including (a) an appropriate top tone; (b) an effective organizational structure that assigns monitoring roles to people with appropriate capacities, objectivity and authority; and (c) a starting point or "baseline" of known effective internal control from which continuous monitoring and separate evaluations can be implemented;
 * Design and execute monitoring procedures focused on "persuasive information" on the operation of "key controls" that address "significant risks" for organizational objectives;
 * Evaluate and report the results, including assessing the severity of any identified deficiencies and reporting the results of monitoring to appropriate staff and the board for timely action and follow-up if necessary.

Role of the internal audit
Internal auditors play an important role in assessing the effectiveness of control systems. As an independent function that informs senior management, internal audit can evaluate the internal control systems implemented by the organization and contribute to continued effectiveness. As such, internal auditing often plays an important "monitoring" role. To preserve its independence of judgment, the internal audit should not assume any direct responsibility in the design, establishment or maintenance of the controls that it is supposed to evaluate. Internal audit may only advise on possible improvements to be made.

Role of the external audit
Under Section 404 of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act, management and external auditors must report on the adequacy of the company's internal control over financial information. The Public Company Accounting Oversight Board, formed to oversee the external audit profession, published Auditing Standard 2201 which requires that auditors "use the same appropriate and recognized control framework to conduct their internal control audit on the financial information that management uses to its annual evaluation of the effectiveness of the company's internal control over financial information." Section 143 (3) (i) of the Indian Companies Act, 2013 also requires legal auditors to comment on internal control over financial information.


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Yin Shun

Yin Shun (印順, Yìnshùn; 5 April 1906 – 4 June 2005) was a Chinese Buddhist monk and scholar in the tradition of Chinese Mahayana Buddhism. Though he was particularly trained in the Three Treatise school, he was an advocate of the One Vehicle (or Ekayana) as the ultimate and universal perspective of Buddhahood for all, and as such included all schools of Buddha Dharma, including the Five Vehicles and the Three Vehicles, within the meaning of the Mahayana as the One Vehicle. Yin Shun's research helped bring forth the ideal of "Humanistic" (human-realm) Buddhism, a leading mainstream Buddhist philosophy studied and upheld by many practitioners. His work also regenerated the interests in the long-ignored Āgamas among Chinese Buddhist society and his ideas are echoed by the American Theravadin teacher Bhikkhu Bodhi. As a contemporary master, he was most popularly known as the mentor of Cheng Yen, the founder of Buddhist Tzu Chi Charity Foundation, as well as the teacher to several other prominent monastics.

Although Yin Shun is closely associated with the Tzu Chi Foundation, he has had a decisive influence on others of the new generation of Buddhist monks such as Sheng-yen of Dharma Drum Mountain and Hsing Yun of Fo Guang Shan, who were active in humanitarian aid, social work, environmentalism and academic research as well. He is considered to be one of the most influential figures of Taiwanese Buddhism, having influenced many of the leading Buddhist figures in modern Taiwan.

Biography
Yin Shun was born on 5 April 1906 (The traditional Chinese calendar: 12 March 丙午) in a village in Zhejiang Province, China. His birth name was Zhang Luqin (Wade–Giles: Chang Luch'in). At the time of Zhang's birth, it was the end of the Qing Dynasty. Eleven days after his birth, Zhang was critically ill and nearly died. He began school at age seven.

In his studies, he stumbled upon the subject of immortality—a subject that Zhang found interesting. His parents found what Zhang was doing to be very unusual, so they required him to teach at other schools.

Zhang turned his attention to Confucianism and Taoism, but neither of these philosophies satisfied his spiritual yearning. At one point, Christianity aroused his interest but Zhang realised the irrelevance in their doctrine and after two years could not commit himself to Christianity. One day, Zhang was looking for something to read. He stumbled onto the words "the Buddha Dharma". This immediately sparked spiritual interest in his heart, and Zhang zealously looked for anything that had to do with Buddhism.

Searching for the Dharma
In 1930, Zhang applied to a Buddhist college in Beijing. For many days he had travelled from his home to Beijing, with high hopes. He arrived too late for acceptance.

While pondering where he could go next, Zhang thought of a temple called "Tiantong Temple". Zhang then went to Mount Putuo, where he met a young man named Wang. Both searched for an abode where they could study the Buddha Dharma. They eventually found a small place where they could do so, where their abbot who was well-cultivated. They asked to study under him.

The elder monk then referred Zhang and Wang to another place called Fuzhun Monastery (福泉庵), less than a half mile from where they were. The two hurried to Fuzhun Monastery. Later, on October 11, 1930, the abbot, Master Qingnian (清念和尚), shaved Zhang Luqin's head and gave him the Dharma name of Yin Shun (印順).

Three Systems of Mahayana
Master Taixu 太虛 (1890–1947) divided Mahayana Buddhism into three types. They are: School of śūnyatā and prajña (faxing konghui zong 法性空慧宗, Madhyamaka), School of dharmalaksana and vijnaptimatra (faxiang weishi zong 法相唯識宗) and School of dharma-dhatu and perfect enlightenment (fajie yuanjue zong 法界圓覺宗). Furthermore, he states that dharma-dhatu is on the highest level, complete and the final dharma. On the following levels are Madhyamaka and Vijnaptimatra.

By contrast, Yinshun 印順 (1906–2005), Tiaxu's disciple, took a different direction from that of his teacher. He claims that Mahayana Buddhism can be divided into three systems. They are: School of śūnyatā and name only (xingkong 性空唯名系, Madhyamaka), School of illusion and Vijñapti-mātra (weishi 虛妄唯識系, Vijñapti-mātra) and School of genuine and permanent mind (zhenchang 真常唯心系, Tathāgata-garbha).

For him, early Mahayana Buddhism is characterized by Nāgārjuna's 龍樹 prajñapāramitā thought. Mahayana Buddhism, in its middle stage, is characterized by Vijñapti-mātra which was upheld by Asanga and Vasubandhu. Later Mahayana Buddhism is mainly characterized by Tathāgata-garbha thought 如來藏思想. Therefore, it is clear that Yinshun distanced himself from his teacher's position.

Achievements
In March 2004, he was awarded the Order of Propitious Clouds Second Class, for his contributions to the revitalization of Buddhism in Taiwan.

Encounter with Master Cheng Yen
In February 1963, a thirty-two-day novitiate for Buddhist monks and nuns was held in Taipei. Monks and nuns came from all over Taiwan to register. All were accepted except a young female devotee from Hualien, a county in eastern Taiwan.

Master Yin Shun recalled the day he first met Master Cheng Yen:

"Huiyin, a student of mine, brought her to the Hui Ri Lecture Hall, where I lived, to purchase The Complete Teachings of Master Taixu. Huiyin told me that the woman had been rejected from the novitiate because she had shaved her own head and her teacher was a layman. Someone said she could have just asked any of the monks or nuns present to accept her as a disciple, but she claimed that she needed to seek her master carefully. After she bought the book, there was a heavy rain shower and she couldn't leave. She then begged Huiyin to tell me that she wished to become my disciple. She had no idea that I rarely accept disciples¹. As if the heavens had heard her wish, I happened to walk out of my room just then. Huiyin came toward me and told me what was going on. I couldn't figure out why she chose me as her master, but I consented."

¹At the time, Yin Shun only had three disciples. All three now are teaching the Buddha Dharma in the United States.

Master Yin Shun then said to her, "Our karmic relationship is very special. As a nun, you must always be committed to Buddhism and to all living beings."

Since the registration for the novitiate was about to end within the hour, the venerable master quickly gave the young disciple her Buddhist name, Cheng Yen, and told her to get going and begin the novitiate promptly. At that moment, the conditions for the creation of the Tzu Chi Foundation began.

In the summer of 1979, Master Yin Shun came to Hualien. Living in this beautiful but undeveloped part of the island, Cheng Yen told Master Yin Shun about her aspiration to build a high-quality hospital for the people living in eastern Taiwan, where there were few medical facilities.

As he listened to her, he could foresee the daunting challenges lying ahead. Like a father sharing his life experiences with his daughter, he said, "Just like the time you told me you intended to begin charity work, I reminded you to think whether you would have the strength and the money when more people came to you for help. The task can only be realized with unwavering commitment."

Seeing his disciple's resolution, Master Yin Shun's mind was put at ease. With this talk, the hospital construction project began. Although Cheng Yen would soon face many insurmountable difficulties and challenges, Master Yin Shun's support gave Cheng Yen the strength to go on. He transferred virtually all the monetary offerings made to him by his followers to the hospital construction. The sum accumulated throughout the years was truly sizable.

Death and funeral
On 4 June 2005, Yin Shun died after suffering from complications pulmonary tuberculosis since 1954. He died in Hualien Tzu Chi Hospital at the age of 100. Tzu Chi, along with other Buddhist organizations and monasteries influenced by Yin Shun, joined in mourning for eight days, the length of his funeral.

Among those attending the services were Taiwanese President Chen Shui-bian, ROC Premier Frank Hsieh, and other legislators. Several monastics from many parts of the world, predominantly the United States, also attended Yin Shun's funeral. Monastics who were disciples of Yin Shun also attended the funeral, including Cheng Yen, who led the Tzu Chi delegation.

Yin Shun had a simple and spartan lifestyle in the last days of his life, so his disciples decided to keep his funeral simple but solemn. His funeral was held at Fu Yan Vihara in Hsinchu, where he had lived for many years until his death. Yin Shun was later cremated on 10 June and his ashes and portrait were placed inside a hall alongside the remains of other monastic alumni of Fu Yan.

Works

 * The Way To Buddhahood: Instructions From A Modern Chinese Master, Boston: Wisdom Books, 1998
 * , Buddha Dharma Education Association 1995. This a translation of selections of Sublime Clouds Collection 《妙雲集》, a major collection of Yin Shun's writings.
 * A Sixty-Year Spiritual Voyage on the Ocean of Dharma, Noble Path Buddhist Education Fellowship, 2009. Translation of Yun Shun's autobiography 《游心法海六十年》 by Yu-Jung L. Avis, Po-Hui Chang, and Maxwell E. Siegel.
 * An Investigation into Emptiness: Parts One and Two, Towaco, NJ: Noble Path Buddhist Education Fellowship Incorporated, 2017. Translation of 《空之探究》 by Shi Hui Feng.
 * Over 50 works in Chinese Mandarin, on a range of issues, covering many thousands of pages. These are presently in the process of translation into English.

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Blog with no notability. Delete. JFW | T@lk  12:16, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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Drum wrench

The drum wrench or bung wrench is a tool which is commonly used to open drum bungs and openings. When unopened, a large drum's contents may be under enormous pressure. If a drum is opened without the proper tools and precautions, the pressure may escape suddenly and violently, causing injury. A drum wrench reduces pressure during the opening process. A drum wrench is a convenient tool for safely opening and removing materials drums, but they are not the only means of protection from the hazards of said drums. Some drums act as a vacuum with very low internal pressures, increasing the risk of the top "popping up" soon after opening.

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Someone who wrote some software. Delete. JFW | T@lk  12:17, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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The Simpsons and Philosophy

'The Simpsons and Philosophy: The D'oh! of Homer' is a non-fiction book analyzing the philosophy and popular culture effects of the American animated sitcom, The Simpsons, published by Open Court. The book is edited by William Irwin, Mark T. Conard and Aeon J. Skoble, each of whom also wrote one of the eighteen essays in the book.

The book was released on February 28, 2001, as the second volume of Open Court Publishing's Popular Culture and Philosophy series, which currently includes eighty books. The book has gone on to be extremely successful, both in sales and critically, and is also used as a main text in various universities with philosophy courses.

Contents
The book includes contributions from eighteen academics in the field of philosophy. Topics included are comparisons of the characters in the show, such as Homer Simpson and Aristotle, or Bart Simpson and Friedrich Nietzsche. The book brings up topics such as why Homer's appeal is universal by arguing that he speaks to fundamental conflicts about what gives human pleasure.

Other topics include the manner in which the show makes philosophical statements, and its opinions on sexuality in politics. Religion is also discussed in the book, such as the guilt Homer feels for not going to church, or Ned Flanders experiencing tragedies, despite following the Bible closely.

Reception
The book was highly successful, selling over 203,000 copies, making it the best selling book in the Open Court Publishing's Popular Culture and Philosophy series. The book was also critically successful, highlighting the philosophical themes that the book was able to make with The Simpsons, such as Booklist, who wrote, "[...]these pieces make erudite concepts accessible by viewing things through the lens of a great cartoon series," or Publishers Weekly who wrote, "Fans of The Simpsons are certain to find this book to be the perfect rebuttal for those who dismiss the show as a no-brainer."

At Siena Heights University a course titled "Animated Philosophy and Religion" uses the book as one of the main texts in order to help teach philosophy. The book has been praised for being able to make connections to philosophical studies and to youth, by using popular culture. The professors who use the book say the book "helps draw people to philosophy." A course titled "Simpsons and Philosophy", devoted entirely to the show & philosophy, is offered at the University of California, Berkeley as part of the university's controversial DeCal program in which students take courses taught by their peers.

Steve Carroll of The Age criticized the book and others like it for watering down philosophical content while making tenuous connections with popular themes in order to maximize appeal to consumers. The book was satirized in an article titled "The 'Popular Culture and Philosophy' Books and Philosophy: Philosophy, You’ve Officially Been Pimped", in the online journal Flow TV.

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Privy Council of Scotland

The Privy Council of Scotland (c. 1490 — 1 May 1708) was a body that advised the Scottish monarch. In the range of its functions the council was often more important than the Estates in the running the country. Its registers include a wide range of material on the political, administrative, economic and social affairs of the Kingdom of Scotland. The council supervised the administration of the law, regulated trade and shipping, took emergency measures against the plague, granted licences to travel, administered oaths of allegiance, banished beggars and gypsies, dealt with witches, recusants, Covenanters and Jacobites and tackled the problem of lawlessness in the Highlands and the Borders.

History
Like the Parliament, the council was a development of the King's Council. The King's Council, or curia regis, was the court of the monarch surrounded by his royal officers and others upon whom he relied for advice. It is known to have existed in the thirteenth century, if not earlier, but has left little trace of its activities.

By the later fifteenth century the council had advisory, executive and judicial functions though surviving records are mainly confined to the last. It is at this period that the 'secret' or privy council makes its formal appearance when, in February 1490, parliament elected 2 bishops, an abbot or prior, 6 barons and 8 royal officers to form the king's council for the ostensioun and forthputting of the King's authorite in the administracioun of justice.

The Lords of Secret Council, as they were known, were part of the general body of Lords of Council, like the Lords of Session and Lords Auditors of Exchequer. After 1532 much of the judicial business was transferred to the newly founded College of Justice, the later Court of Session. The council met regularly and was particularly active during periods of a monarch's minority. A separate register of the privy council appears in 1545 and probably marks the point at which the secret council split off from its parent body.

After 1603 James VI was able to boast to the English Parliament that he governed Scotland with my pen. The council received his written instructions and executed his will. This style of government, continued by his grandsons Charles II and James VII, was disrupted during the reign of Charles I by the Covenanters and the Cromwellian occupation. There are gaps in the register during the upheavals of 1638–41 when the council was largely displaced by an alternative administration set up by the Covenanters and during the Cromwellian period, the council ceased to act at all.

After the restoration of the monarchy in 1660, Charles II nominated his own privy councillors and set up a council in London through which he directed affairs in Edinburgh, a situation that continued after the Glorious Revolution of 1688–9. The council survived the Act of Union but for one year only. It was abolished on 1 May 1708 by the Parliament of Great Britain and thereafter there was one Privy Council of Great Britain sitting in London.

Until 1707, the Privy Council met in what is now the West Drawing Room at the Palace of Holyroodhouse in Edinburgh. It was called the Council Chamber in the 17th century.

The Register of the Privy Council of Scotland (1545–1689) was edited and published between 1877 and 1970 by John Hill Burton, David Masson, Peter Hume Brown and Henry Macleod Paton.

Lord President of the Privy Council
The President of the Privy Council was one of the Great Officers of State in Scotland. The Lord Chancellor presided over the Council ex officio, but in 1610 James VI decreed that the President of the College of Justice should preside in the Chancellor's absence, and by 1619 the additional title of President of the Privy Council had been added. The two presidencies were separated in 1626 as part of Charles I's reorganisation of the Privy Council and Court of Session. The Lord President of the council was accorded precedence as one of the King's chief officers in 1661, but appeared in the Estates of Parliament only intermittently. office abolished in 1708
 * 1625: The 4th Earl of Montrose
 * 1649: The 1st Earl of Loudoun
 * 1660: The 7th Earl of Rothes
 * 1663: The 2nd Earl of Tweeddale
 * 1672: The 1st Duke of Lauderdale
 * 1681: Sir George Gordon of Haddo, 3rd Bt., later created Earl of Aberdeen
 * 1682: The 3rd Marquess of Montrose
 * 1686: The 1st Duke of Queensberry (questioned)
 * 1689: The 18th Earl of Crawford and 2nd Earl of Lindsay
 * 1692: The 2nd Earl of Annandale and Hartfell (later created 1st Marquess of Annandale)
 * 1695: The 1st Earl of Melville
 * 1702: The 1st Marquess of Annandale
 * 1704: The 4th Marquess of Montrose
 * 1705: The 1st Marquess of Annandale
 * 1706: The 4th Marquess of Montrose (later created 1st Duke of Montrose)

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Has anyone seen actual voting figures for the 2005 presidential election?
I am still hunting and would welcome any suggestions. Adam 12:23, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I have now located presidential figures, but I have not located voting figures for the legislative elections. If anyone has suggestions on this I would like to hear from them. Adam 01:14, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

referendum in 1945
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