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Wynnewood, Pennsylvania

Wynnewood is a suburban unincorporated community, located west of Philadelphia, straddling Lower Merion Township in Montgomery County, Pennsylvania and Haverford Township in Delaware County, Pennsylvania, United States.

The community was named in 1691 for Dr. Thomas Wynne, William Penn's physician and the first Speaker of the Pennsylvania General Assembly. Wynnewood is one of many neighborhoods on the historic Philadelphia Main Line, and is the home of institutions such as Lankenau Medical Center, St. Charles Borromeo Seminary, Palmer Theological Seminary, All Saints' Episcopal Church, and Friends' Central School.

Demographics
Wynnewood is neither an incorporated area nor a census-designated place. As of 2010 census, there were 13,572 people and 5,436 households residing in the community. In 2000, the population density was 3,882 people per square mile. The racial makeup of the community was 92.9% White, 3.2% Asian, 2.5% African American, 0.40% from other races, and 1.0% from two or more races. 1.2% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.

The median income for a household in the community was $86,861, and the median income for a family was $111,683. The per capita income for the community was $51,543. About 0.8% of families and 2.9% of the population were below the poverty line, including 7.7% of those under age 18 and 10.1% of those age 65 or over.

Residents of Wynnewood cooperate with those of adjacent Ardmore in many ways, one of which is the ArdWood Civic Association. South Ardmore Park is partly in Wynnewood, and partly in Ardmore. This park is the site of a free or low-cost summer camp, sporting activities, walking paths, and a verdant setting.

The ZIP Code for Wynnewood is 19096.

Commerce
Wynnewood is mostly residential with its shopping centers located in various clusters.

The largest shopping center in Wynnewood is the 257000 sqft Wynnewood Shopping Center opened in 1949. In 1954 its first anchor stores opened, John Wanamaker and luxury retailer Bonwit Teller. Over time it seen anchors come and go such as Old Navy, and Borders. The Wanamaker's building was divided into a Genuardi's supermarket and a Bed Bath and Beyond. Current anchors as of late 2023 are Old Navy, DSW, and Giant.

Other shopping venues in the suburb include Wynnewood Square and the Whole Foods Shopping Center (named for a market there), both on East Lancaster Avenue. As Wynnewood is primarily a residential community, its residents visit other districts of the Main Line, such as Ardmore or Narberth, for shopping.

Along with its tree-shaded streets and mature old stone homes, Wynnewood has also been known historically for its car dealerships, which line Lancaster Avenue from South Wynnewood to Argyle Road. Gracious, old-fashioned restaurants, Stouffer's and the Viking Inn, both on Lancaster Avenue, have disappeared and not been replaced, although less expensive fare is widely available.

Transportation
Opposite the Wynnewood Shopping Center is the Wynnewood train station. Built in the 1870s, the vintage regional rail (SEPTA) train station (MP 7.5) was designed by Wilson Brothers and Company for the Pennsylvania Railroad. Towns on the lower "Main Line" adjacent to Wynnewood include Overbrook, Merion, Narberth, Ardmore, Haverford, and Bryn Mawr. The SEPTA Route 105 bus runs along the length of Lancaster Avenue on the Main Line, and the SEPTA Route 44 bus supplements the trains for service between nearby Ardmore and Narberth and Center City Philadelphia. South Wynnewood is served by the SEPTA Norristown High-Speed Line (former Route 100),which runs from the Montgomery County seat of Norristown through the central and eastern Main Line to 69th Street Transportation Center and connections to the Market-Frankford Line for service to Center City and Northeast Philadelphia.

Wynnewood is located along Lancaster Avenue (U.S. Route 30) and is also easily accessible from nearby Interstate Routes 76 (the Schuylkill Expressway east and west) and 476 (the Philadelphia bypass nicknamed the "Blue Route", traveling south and north between Chester and Interstate 95 in the south and Plymouth Meeting, Germantown, and the east-west Pennsylvania Turnpike in the north).

Hospitals
Wynnewood is also home to one the principal three teaching hospitals that serve Philadelphia's Main Line. Along with the eponymous Bryn Mawr and Paoli Memorial hospitals, Lankenau Hospital, on Lancaster Avenue (Route 30) in Wynnewood near the Overbrook border, has traditionally been affiliated with either Jefferson or Drexel colleges of medicine and is always (with Bryn Mawr and Paoli) on the list of the nation's top community hospitals. Saunders House, a rehabilitation facility, can be found on Lankenau's premises, as is a large and busy medical office building that is home to many of the private practices of the hospital's attending physicians.

Public education
Most of Wynnewood's public school children attend the Merion, Penn Wynne, or Penn Valley elementary schools, part of Lower Merion School District headquartered in Ardmore; Bala Cynwyd Middle School; and have a choice between Lower Merion High School and Harriton High School. Other schools, private and parochial, include all-boys The Haverford School, all-girls Baldwin, and Agnes Irwin schools, coeducational Friends Central School — are within the Wynnewood postal district — and private, Catholic, Country Day School of the Sacred Heart in nearby Bryn Mawr, Waldron Mercy and Merion Mercy academies in nearby Merion. Saint Margaret's Elementary School in nearby Narberth also serves Wynnewood's Catholic elementary school community. There are other private schools such as Episcopal Academy (Newtown Square), as well as Jack M. Barrack Hebrew Academy (Bryn Mawr) and the Solomon Schechter School (Wynnewood), which are both Jewish-affiliated schools. Finally, there is a French International School which has two locations—the lower school near the Bala Cynwyd Library and the upper school on City Avenue, still in Bala Cynwyd.

Saint Joseph's University is close by with parts of its campus in Merion, Bala Cynwyd and West Philadelphia; Villanova University, straddling Lancaster Avenue, and Rosemont College, on Montgomery, are also nearby, as are Cabrini College and Eastern University, both in nearby Saint David's. Haverford College is a non-denominational college on Montgomery Avenue in Haverford. St. Charles Borromeo Seminary is across the street from parts of Saint Joseph's University's campus.

The Japanese Language School of Philadelphia (JLSP, フィラデルフィア日本語補習授業校 Firaderufia Nihongo Hoshū Jugyō Kō), a supplementary Japanese school, holds its classes at the Friends Central School (FCS) in Wynnewood and in Lower Merion Township.

Media
The area is covered by The Main Line Times.

Features
The well-regarded 1962 dramatic film David and Lisa was filmed in part at and around the Wynnewood train station.

Also located in the community is Shortridge Memorial Park, a small park in a creek valley with stone bridges under which Indian Creek flows. The Indian Creek district has been ecologically revitalized and restored. Wynnewood residents are active in the Wynnewood Civic Association and the Shortridge Association of Wynnewood. There is also a Wynnewood Valley Park Sensory Garden which is an attraction for those who are visually and non-visually impaired.

Notable people

 * Walter Annenberg, former media mogul, philanthropist, arts patron, and U.S. ambassador to the United Kingdom
 * Aaron Beck, professor emeritus of psychiatry at the University of Pennsylvania and father of cognitive therapy
 * Anthony Bevilacqua, former Archdiocese of Philadelphia cardinal
 * Kobe Bryant, former professional basketball player, Los Angeles Lakers
 * Kat Dennings, actress, 2 Broke Girls, Thor, Thor: The Dark World, and ''WandaVision'”. Located at University Avenue and Vare Avenue toward Mifflin Street.
 * Wayne Ellington, former professional basketball player
 * George Matthews Harding, American painter and author
 * William P. Henszey, Baldwin Locomotive Works partner
 * Jonathan Hoffman, investment banker and bond trader
 * Hannah Clothier Hull, Quaker pacifist
 * Joan Jett, rock musician
 * Owen Jones, former U.S. Congressman
 * Hilary Koprowski, former virologist responsible for first oral poliomyelitis vaccine
 * Patti LaBelle, musician known as the "Godmother of Soul"
 * John Lucas III, former professional basketball player and current assistant coach, Los Angeles Lakers
 * Jeffrey Lurie, Philadelphia Eagles owner
 * Benjamin G. Neel, scientist
 * Lori Erica Ruff, identity thief
 * Rebecca Rutstein, artist
 * Henry Scattergood, former cricket player
 * Alex Scott, Alex's Lemonade Stand Foundation founder
 * Gerhard Spiegler, former president, Elizabethtown College

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DeLaSalle High School (Minneapolis)

DeLaSalle High School is a Catholic, college preparatory high school in Minneapolis, Minnesota. It is located on Nicollet Island.

History
DeLaSalle opened in 1900 and has been administered by the De La Salle Brothers (French Christian Brothers) throughout its history. The school's current president is Patrick Felicetta. Enrollment peaked at 1654 boys in 1964, dropped to the range of 400–500 by the early 1970s despite the 1971–72 advent of co-education, and continued to decline to a 70-year low of 306 in 1991. Over the past two decades DeLaSalle's enrollment has climbed, and the school now receives an average of 400 applications each year for ninth grade admission. Strategic plans from 2000, 2007, 2012 and 2017 are based upon an optimum overall enrollment of 650-700 students.

Then-Archbishop John Ireland helped raise money in the late 1800s to build the new Catholic secondary school in Minneapolis. Ireland's goal was to provide education to sons of immigrants who were moving into Minneapolis neighborhoods from many European countries. Only a few months after groundbreaking, the "DeLaSalle Institute" building was ready for occupancy. Fifty boys joined three teaching Christian Brothers in the new school in October 1900. The number of pupils rapidly expanded, and by spring, a fourth Brother had arrived to handle the overcrowding. By 1907, an addition had been added to the original building, and in 1914, the Archdiocese, at Archbishop Ireland's direction, purchased the adjoining King property to provide space for eventual expansion. Enrollment stood at 352 boys.

In those early days, DeLaSalle was a commercial school. Through the work of Brother Hercules, the first graduating class, 13 members strong in 1903, all received positions with the leading business firms of Minneapolis before graduating.

By 1920, parents were calling for a high school that was primarily college preparatory. So Archbishop Dowling, Ireland's successor, went to all Minneapolis parishes to raise the $200,000 needed to build a new high school on the former King property, adjacent to the existing commercial building. Construction began in May 1922, and within a year, the new DeLaSalle High School building (today known as the "B Building") had opened. Within six years, DeLaSalle was accredited as college preparatory by both the University of Minnesota and the North Central Association of Colleges and Secondary Schools. (More than eight decades later, the school is still accredited by AdvancEd, the successor to North Central.)

By 1950, enrollment was growing significantly each year, so much so that ninth graders were being educated in a separate building at West 43rd Street and Wentworth Avenue in south Minneapolis. The school's administration opened a new residence for the Christian Brothers in 1950, facing Grove Street on the back side of the DeLaSalle campus. In 1960, in order to "bring the freshmen back to the Island," the school opened the third classroom building on campus (today known as the "A building"). The original school building stood until February 1971, when a weekend electrical fire damaged much of the structure. Because enrollment was dropping precipitously at the time, the original building was razed and not replaced.

In order to meet emerging educational and facility needs for a growing student body, in 2014 the DeLaSalle Board of Trustees authorized the construction of a new building. With funds and pledges raised from an ongoing five-year capital campaign run by the school's president, Barry Lieske, and the development office staff, DeLaSalle opened the new "D building" when the 2016–17 school year began. The centerpiece of the project is the "Center for Innovative Learning," new learning spaces providing teachers and students enhanced educational technology and facilities that integrate more efficiently with the tablet- and cloud-technology used by all students. Within the project's scope, DeLaSalle also was able to replace decades-old boiler and electrical systems, improve the energy efficiency of the entire campus, enhance traffic circulation with new corridors and a new north-side entry, and relocate athletic and theatre / fine arts functions closer to the gymnasiums, athletic field, and auditorium respectively.

In the Strategic Plan of 1993 the school focused its curriculum only on college preparatory classes, in large part to maximize resources that could be available for financial assistance for families. To this day, graduation requirements mirror typical college entrance requirements, plus requirements for completion of Christian Service hours and Theology coursework. Placement is available in one of two levels within a department: Honors/Advanced Placement or regular college prep, with 13 different AP courses available to students. Since 2000, over 68 percent of each graduating class has matriculated to college. De graduates are enrolled in colleges in 36 states.

The school was founded to provide a Catholic school option to poor and immigrant families (primarily European) moving into Minneapolis in the late 19th century. This mission continues to this day, to provide a Catholic and college preparatory education to students from all family and socio-economic backgrounds. The school provides over $3.0 million of financial assistance to assist 53 percent of its students with reduced tuition. In addition to its socio-economic diversity, DeLaSalle is the most diverse Catholic School in the state of Minnesota as measured by almost all demographic areas: 45% of its students are people of color, 35% matriculate from single-parent households, and 33% have been raised in faiths other than Catholic.

The student body of 760 is drawn from over 120 parochial and public grade schools across the Twin Cities. Over 85 students were born in other countries, some attending DeLaSalle because of its proximity to the University of Minnesota. DeLaSalle has launched an innovative Global Advantage Program, partnering with Hamline University, St. Mary's University, St. Catherine's University, and the University of Minnesota in areas of international academic travel and student exchange experiences.

DeLaSalle is one of 13 Catholic high schools in the Twin Cities, one of two within the city limits of Minneapolis.

Sports and activities
Over 90 percent of DeLaSalle students participate in at least one school activity each year, and more than 75 percent will join two or more. Academic, fine arts, athletic and leadership/service groups and teams all are available to students. The largest activities in terms of participation are theatre (six productions each year), music (both vocal and instrumental programs), and Lasallian "Campus" Ministry.

Since 2000, teams or individuals from DeLaSalle have qualified for participation in the MSHSL's championship tournaments in speech, one-act play, boys' and girls' basketball, football, boys' soccer, boys' and girls' track-and-field, wrestling, cross country, and baseball. DeLaSalle students have succeeded in other programs not directed by the MSHSL, including competitive cheer (eight state titles), Quiz Bowl (eleven straight years qualifying for the National Championships), and musical theatre (20 group or individual awards earned in the annual Spotlight Program of the Hennepin Theatre Trust in 2017). Of note, nearly 45 percent of the students are in a music program, one of three bands, two choirs or orchestra.

DeLaSalle is a member of the Tri-Metro Conference, a mix of private and public high schools throughout the Twin Cities that sponsors competitions, leadership programs, and other collaborative activities.

Over its history, several dozen DeLaSalle alums have continued to participate in college athletic and arts programs, many with scholarship support from their colleges.

Notable alumni

 * Sacar Anim '15, basketball player in the Israeli Basketball Premier League
 * John R. Arlandson, Minnesota state legislator and lawyer
 * James R. Casserly, Minnesota state legislator and lawyer
 * Patrick M. Daugherty, '46, Minnesota state legislator
 * Thomas Dubay '39, Catholic priest, author, and retreat director
 * Bishop Emeritus John Kinney '55, Bishop of the St. Cloud diocese from 1998 to 2013.
 * Bob Wetoska '55, Notre Dame '59, retired NFL player
 * Albert Hofstede '58, former mayor of Minneapolis
 * Roy Gagnon, retired NFL player
 * Bishop John Levoir '64, Bishop of the New Ulm diocese from 2008 to present
 * Steve McClellan, Minneapolis concert promoter
 * Nora McInerny, '01, author
 * Jack Meyers, general manager of First Avenue
 * Dennis Newinski '63, Minnesota state representative and machinist
 * Larry Pogemiller '69, retired Minnesota Senate Majority Leader
 * Jim Rice - Minnesota state legislator
 * Mark Dienhart '71, Executive Director of the Richard M. Schulze Family Foundation and former Director of Men's Athletics at the University of Minnesota
 * Don Zierden '76, longtime coach in the NBA, WNBA and CBA
 * Derreck Robinson '00, retired NFL player
 * Alan Anderson '01, former NBA basketball player
 * Geno Crandall '14, basketball player with Hapoel Be'er Sheva in the Israeli Basketball Premier League
 * Reid Travis '14, University of Kentucky and Stanford University basketball player
 * Tyrell Terry '19, former Stanford University basketball player and former NBA basketball player for the Memphis Grizzlies
 * Thomas E. Ticen, Minnesota state legislator and lawyer

Notable faculty

 * Walt Dziedzic, politician, police officer, and baseball player

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Jedediah M. Grant

Jedediah Morgan Grant (February 21, 1816 – December 1, 1856) was a leader and an apostle of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church). He was member of the First Council of the Seventy from 1845 to 1854 and served in the First Presidency under church president Brigham Young from 1854 to 1856. He is known for his fiery speeches during the Reformation of 1856, earning the nickname "Brigham's Sledgehammer". Grant is the father of Heber J. Grant, who later served as President of the Church.

Early life
Jedediah M. Grant was born February 21, 1816, to Joshua Grant and Athalia Howard in Windsor, New York. He was baptized into the Church of Christ by John F. Boynton on March 21, 1833, at age 17. By age 18, he had participated in Zion's Camp, marching from Kirtland, Ohio, to Missouri under the direction of Joseph Smith. Though the physical objectives of the march were not met, many members later became leaders in Smith's church. Grant's close relationship with these men from such an early age would last the rest of his life.

Grant was among the first Latter Day Saint missionaries to go to Maryland, North Carolina, and Virginia. His preaching efforts in the Toms River area of New Jersey in the late 1830s led to the conversion of members of the Ivins family.

Grant was one of a group of men (which also included Brigham Young, Wilford Woodruff and George A. Smith) who were called in 1844 to campaign for Smith's election to President of the United States.

Church leader
After Smith's death, Grant was called to serve as a President of the Seventy. As a Seventy, he assisted with the trek westwards and the settling of the Salt Lake Valley. He would later become the first mayor of Salt Lake City, Utah, serving in that position from 1851 until his death. Morgan County, Utah, and Morgan, Utah, are both named for him. In 1854, Grant was ordained an apostle, but he did not become a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. Instead, he was called to the First Presidency as Young's Second Counselor, filling the vacancy left by the death of Willard Richards.

Grant served in the Utah Territorial Council in 1851.

Sermons during the Mormon reformation
In 1856, Grant was called by Young to tour the northern sections of Utah Territory, calling the Latter-day Saints to repentance. Grant inspired the Mormon Reformation of 1856 as he delivered fiery speeches on this tour. He issued a call for rebaptism of all the members of the area. Grant's speeches earned him the title "Brigham's Sledgehammer". The effects of his speeches were felt almost immediately; members throughout the area, as well as in distant parts, were rebaptized to signify their commitment to renew their commitments to the LDS Church and the gospel.

Death and descendants

Grant contracted pneumonia after his vigorous tour. He died on December 1, 1856, just nine days after his son, Heber J. Grant, was born to his wife Rachel Ridgeway Ivins. He was buried at Salt Lake City Cemetery.

Like many early Mormons, Grant practiced plural marriage, a form of polygyny. He had a total of seven wives, among them Susan Fairchild Noble Grant, who wrote reminiscences of early life in Utah and was a leader in the Relief Society after Grant died. By his wives, Grant had 11 children (10 biological, one adopted). His son, Heber, became the LDS Church's seventh president.

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Leatherman (vagabond)

The Leatherman (born Jules Bourglay (unconfirmed)? c. 1839–1889) was a vagabond famous for his handmade leather suit of clothes who traveled through the northeastern United States on a regular circuit between the Connecticut River and the Hudson River from roughly 1857 to 1889. Of unknown origin, he was thought to be French-Canadian because of his fluency in the French language, his "broken English", and the French-language prayer book found on his person after his death. His identity remains unknown, and controversial. He walked a repeating 365 mi route year after year, which took him through certain towns in western Connecticut and eastern New York, returning to each town roughly every 34 days.

Life
Living in rock shelters and "leatherman caves", as they are now locally known, the Leatherman stopped at towns along his 365 mi loop about every five weeks for food and supplies. He was dubbed the "Leatherman" as his adornment of hat, scarf, clothes, and shoes were handmade from leather.

An early article in the Burlington Free Press dating to April 7, 1870, refers to him as the "Leather-Clad Man". It also states that he spoke rarely and when addressed would simply speak in monosyllables. According to contemporary rumors, he hailed from Picardy, France.

Fluent in French, he communicated mostly with grunts and gestures, rarely using his broken English. When asked about his background, he would abruptly end the conversation. Upon his death, a French prayer book was found among his possessions. He declined meat on Fridays, giving rise to speculation that he was Roman Catholic.

It is unknown how he earned money. One store kept a record of an order: "one loaf of bread, a can of sardines, one-pound of fancy crackers, a pie, two quarts of coffee, one gill of brandy and a bottle of beer"

The Leatherman was well known in Connecticut. He was reliable in his rounds, and people would have food ready for him, which he often ate on their doorsteps. Ten towns along the Leatherman's route passed ordinances exempting him from the state "tramp law" passed in 1879.

Health and death
The Leatherman survived blizzards and other foul weather by heating his rock shelters with fire. Indeed, while his face was reported to be frostbitten at times during the winter, by the time of his death he had not lost any fingers, unlike other tramps of the time and area.

The Connecticut Humane Society had him arrested and hospitalized in 1888, which resulted in a diagnosis of "sane except for an emotional affliction", after which he was released, as he had money and desired freedom. He ultimately died from cancer of the mouth. His body was found on March 24, 1889, in his Saw Mill Woods cave on the farm of George Dell in the town of Mount Pleasant, New York, near Ossining.

Identity controversy
The Leatherman's former tombstone read: "Final resting place of Jules Bourglay of Lyons, France, 'The Leather Man'…" He is identified with that name in many accounts. However, according to researchers including Dan W. DeLuca, as well as his New York death certificate, his identity remains unknown. This name first appeared in a story published in the Waterbury Daily American on August 16, 1884, but was later retracted on March 25, 26, and 27, 1889, and also in The Meriden Daily Journal on March 29, 1889. DeLuca was able to get a new headstone installed when the Leatherman's grave was moved away from Route 9 to another location within the cemetery on May 25, 2011. The new brass plaque simply reads "The Leatherman".

Grave
The Leatherman's grave is in the Sparta Cemetery, on Route 9 in Ossining, New York. The following inscription was carved on his original tombstone:

FINAL RESTING PLACE OF

Jules Bourglay

OF LYONS, FRANCE

"THE LEATHER MAN"

who regularly walked a 365-mile route

through Westchester and Connecticut from

the Connecticut River to the Hudson

living in caves in the years

1858–1889

Reburial
The Leatherman's original grave in Sparta Cemetery was within 16 ft of Route 9. On May 25, 2011 the grave's contents were exhumed and reburied at a new site in the cemetery. No visible human remains were recovered during the exhumation. Only coffin nails and soil from the original burial plot were reburied in the new grave. One of the reasons for the exhumation was the hope there were remains that would help determine Leatherman's origins.

Nicholas Bellantoni, a University of Connecticut archaeologist and supervisor of the exhumation, cited time, the effect of traffic over the shallow original gravesite, and possible removal of graveside material by a road-grading project for destroying all hard and soft tissue in the grave.

Popular media

 * The Leatherman inspired a song by the American rock band Pearl Jam, "Leatherman". It was released as a B-side of the single "Given to Fly" from the 1998 album Yield.
 * The song "Mennyt mies" by Finnish singer-songwriter J. Karjalainen makes a reference to "Uuden-Englannin nahkamies" ("New England Leatherman").
 * Leatherman was the subject of a 1984 video documentary which was shown on Connecticut Public Television.
 * In 1965, on his program Perception, Dick Bertel interviewed Mark Haber (1899–1994) about the Leatherman on Channel 3, WTIC-TV (WFSB since 1974) in Hartford, Connecticut.
 * The Leatherman's story (and his caves) are detailed as a vignette in the 2018 video game Where the Water Tastes Like Wine, by a mysterious character later revealed to be the ghost of the Leatherman himself.

Mapped routes

 * Brewster–Waterbury, 77.7 miles
 * Waterbury–Stratford, 109 miles
 * Stratford–Chappaqua, 65.5 miles
 * Chappaqua–Woodbridge, 115 miles
 * Woodbridge–Brewster, 183 miles

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CB slang term
Should we add a mention to this article that the CB slang term "smokey," referring to highway patrol officers, is based on Smokey Bear? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 02:54, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

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The name was always "Smokey the Bear" and it was never, ever Smokey Bear. Smokey the Bear was always THE bear cub that survived a forest fire. Hence, Smokey the Bear makes sense. 2601:249:187F:D35F:D9DF:9B60:15D0:4842 (talk) 16:20, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:ToeJam & Earl

Name?
One page on Wikipedia is called "Toe Jam & Earl". Another page is called "ToeJam and Earl" with the word "and" instead of the ampersand. However, judging from the offical site the game is actually called "ToeJam & Earl", meaning neither name is exactly right. More importantly, I think these pages should be merged.

 * Well one page seems to discuss the idea of ToeJam & Earl, and the other decsribes the first game in detail, so maybe there is a way to make the second one ToeJam & Earl (Genesis version) or whatever.

 * I personally don't think there needs to be a platform-specific article, as I doubt there are many differences between the different platform's games. Truthfully I never got to play the game on any platform, I just happened upon these articles through chance. Retodon8 (That was me earlier.)

 * However you came across them, you're right that they should be merged. Though, also from what you said, they should probably be merged under ToeJam & Earl, which is currently a redirect. -- Supermorff 20:11, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, I just merged ToeJam and Earl with Toe Jam & Earl using the latter page as the end result. I made sure not to lose any information, and I also corrected a few small things while I was at it. Now the correct page ToeJam & Earl needs to be deleted before the new merged page can be moved there (in order to save the editing history.) After that all incorrect titles should redirect to this same page. Retodon8 01:30, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Can the three games possibly have their own wiki pages? This will allow more information on each game to be included...I'll add information to them, but in their current states it's not viable to...

I agree, the three games should each have their own page. Even if they are left as stubs, it will encourage people to expand them.--Mysterious Bob 14:29, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I've made a page for the second game in the series, as its the only one I own. I'll update it further in a few days. I'll try to include as much information about it as possible. This is my first ever edit/article so It might be a bit messy or have incorrect grammar, so feel free to change it. Jamsoup 11th April 07

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PAGE MOVED to correct title. -GTBacchus(talk) 14:01, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Requested move
Toe Jam & Earl → ToeJam & Earl – Correct spelling of the name, target is currently a redirect back to the current page TJ Spyke 03:33, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

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Wii doesn't count?
Some guy just removed the Wii as a platform. He said "Only physical copies count". Was this vandalism or the truth. I have seen Super Mario 64 with Wii under it. For now I will keep it added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Starmenclock (talk • contribs)
 * Only systems where the game has physically been released count. I didn't know about Super Mario 64, thank you for pointing it out. TJ Spyke 20:56, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Personally, I don't think there's an official rule either way regarding use of the infobox; a quick check of current Xbox Live Arcade games indicates a preference to leave it out, although they all have categories and a mention in the article prose. Nifboy 01:25, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but this is complete bs. No place on earth does it say only physical copies count. That's complete bias, if you don't mind me saying so. If TJ&E is available as a paid commodity on the virtual console, it goes on the release list just as much as any online-only distribution of a game. By this standard, several Steam games might not count as well. It is simply illogical, and any argument for it will fall apart under the fact that digital distribution is the coming dominant form of software distro. Putting it back in, in the name of WP consistency. --Decept404 20:54, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Then again i shouldve checked if it had actually been removed ;) Sorry. In any case my rant stands.--Decept404 20:55, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Phyisicaly data on a Nintendo Wii is a actual atom so it does count.
 * Idiot. Seriously. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.183.73.117 (talk) 08:53, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Decept404's rant. When I look at the "Platform(s)" field of an Infobox, I want to know "Which platforms does this game run on?" I don't care about its "physical release". ProResearcher (talk) 04:05, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Toejam
Why does toejam redirect here? And why isn't there a disambiguation page for toejam? They should have an article for it; it's the black stuff that collects under one's nails. Ratso 23:51, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Toe Jam is a hygenic term and a character in a bunch of classic SEGA games for SEGA and X-BOX.

Though I do think it's bizzare to direct here and not have disambig.It also depends on the color of the sock fabric
 * I just created the disambiguation page Toe jam; it no longer redirects here. =Axlq 23:11, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Incidentally, I've never had any "toe-jam" on my feet, EVER. Some people just wear their shoes too long. --70.234.42.109 (talk) 11:18, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

ToeJam & Earl article's purpose?
Accidentally wrote this in Talk:ToeJam_and_Earl due to the redirect. Anyway, this article is very confused. The introductory paragraphs describe information pertaining specifically to the first ToeJam and Earl game, and then the article moves on to tautologically discuss the first game in its own section, then the second and third games. The infobox also only lists information about the first game, and the other games remain largely ignored in this sense. Is this article about the series or about the first game or about the two titular characters? Perhaps we should have one article per game and another article listing the characters and giving descriptions. -- Reinhart 01:37, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your suggestion! When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the  link at the top. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to).  The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills.  New contributors are always welcome. 137.22.11.214 00:23, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Not that I'm badmouthing SEGA but I want someone to add a toejam article in another context (sorry)

Music emphasis
Nitpicking, but in what game ISN'T music a part of the concept? Slightly rewriting that paragraph--Decept404 20:57, 3 January 2007 (UTC) yes especially if it's a classic game.

Christmas
I've removed this:
 * "It is possible that the game is set at Christmas time. Santa Claus appears (albeit as an enemy) and all the items come in the form of gifts (whose contents are randomized - opening a present is the only way to tell which item is in each parcel). The Nintendo Wii Virtual Console release of ToeJam & Earl was also made available on December 25th."

Suggesting it's Christmas is original research. Santa Claus is not an enemy. Opening gifts is not the only way to find out what's in them. The statement about the Wii release might be true but needs a source and needs to be not tied to the unsourced statement that it's Christmas. Angela. 21:01, 14 January 2007 (UTC) I disagree, afterall it looks just like Christmas,and Santa Claus is waaaay not an enemy.

Christmas aside, I think it should be noted in the article that if you manage to sneak up on Santa and touch him, without him noticing and rocket-packing away, he will drop several presents for you (between 2 and 5 usually). --Trevc63 01:13, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Point System
I think it would be cool if we could add some to the detail of the point system, perhaps how many points are awarded per present opened, map square revealed, phone picked up, etc. Also, it would be cool to have the point thresholds at which each of the ranks are attained. --Trevc63 21:48, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Earthlings
I merged all the info in the article regarding earthlings and did a little cleanup, but I think it would be cool to add the "good" earthlings such as the Carrot Man and add info regarding how many tomatoes it takes to kill each one and how much the "good" ones charge for their services. Also, perhaps it would be better to organize them in tables. --Trevc63 21:49, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Toe Jam & Earl.jpg
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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:56, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Reverts
RE: this and similar edits. Firstly, the source does not say anything about a poll and indeed says very little at all. Secondly there is little indication that genesispoll.com is a reliable source and seems at best to a primary source. It seems that thus far no reliable secondary source (at least English language) has cared to comment upon the game's supposed rerelease. This should be left out until there is reliably sourced information of some actual substance available. bridies (talk) 10:16, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Genesispoll.com is the site Sega is using for that purpose (see e.g. this post on Sega.com, which links to genesispoll.com), making it a primary source. Mike Fahey wrote about the poll on Kotaku. Nifboy (talk) 16:27, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The message on the site doesn't even mention the poll though. Mike Fahey's article would be a better source but it was written when the poll was still on-going. bridies (talk) 01:31, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Featured article status
Just a note from the original author of this page...I'm extraordinarily pleased to see it featured on the front page of the site, and I'm pleased to see that the community here has taken what I originally wrote nearly five years ago and embraced it, improving it to an extent that it qualifies for such a high honor. Congratulations to all involved. Jam on, Wikipedians! - Erbo (talk) 00:56, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

 * I, for one, want to congratulate everybody involved in the edition of this article for making it a Featured Article. I Nostalgia'd when I saw this for the first time in more than a decade. Keep up the good work. --201.166.41.5 (talk) 03:40, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the use of the word "nostalgia'd" (sorry: "Nostalgia'd") pretty much says it all 90.221.226.158 (talk) 05:49, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Given that this is a featured article and on the Wikipedia front page, I'm concerned about these two sentences in the "legacy" section:

There also been demand from fans for ToeJam & Earl to appear as playable characters in the upcoming Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing, which is again met with licensing issues. Greg, posting on the Sega forums under the pseudonym 'Big Earl', has responded to this and is in talks with Sega about the possibility of including them as downloadable content, as well as ToeJam & Earl on XBLA.

The first sentence is unsourced. The second has a forum post as its source, but I don't see how we're supposed to be able to verify that it is written by the person it is attributed to. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:57, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * This was just added today. bridies (talk) 14:25, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I realise that but shouldn't it be removed since it threatens the article's FA status? Cordless Larry (talk) 15:19, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for removing it, Bridies. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:42, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

The name ToeJam
No discussion of the name ToeJam? In British English slang, at least in the Midlands, 'toe jam' is the gunk you get between your toes if you haven't washed them often enough (a mixture of dead skin, sock fluff and other oomska, I guess). Not sure if it's a phrase used in the US at all. Just to date me, I was using the phrase in the early 70s. 86.134.26.104 (talk) 09:16, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Ooh look here it is at Urban Dictionary . 86.134.26.104 (talk) 09:18, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It's used in Canada, and I'm pretty sure in the US. Not just British English. Zazaban (talk) 19:49, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes it is used/understood in the US. Brutannica (talk) 20:48, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Cartoon?
I and several of my friends recall a cartoon adaptation of Toejam & Earl, or a program that was the inspiration for the game. Unfortunately, my ability to locate info on the web concerning it is very limited. If one of the more info-savvy wikigurus could find anything, I'm sure this article (or another in the TJ&E franchise) will benefit from it. Unfortunately, I can't really pin down when I watched it year-wise, so I can't give any timeframe for when the program was aired, nor a channel on which it was shown. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vaeos (talk • contribs) 04:24, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Cartridge size
Per this discussion, the size of the cartridge is not likely verifiable against a reliable source. It's questionable whether this technical detail should be in the infobox, but at least please provide a reliable source for the cartridge size before adding it back in. bridies (talk) 09:46, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

title: Talk:ToeJam & Earl