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Social position

Social position is the position of an individual in a given society and culture. A given position (for example, the occupation of priest) may belong to many individuals.

Definition
Stanley Wasserman and Katherine Faust Stanley cautioned that "there is considerable disagreement among social scientists about the definitions of the related concepts of social position, social status, and social role." They note that while many scholars differentiate those terms, they can define those terms in a way that clashes with the definitions of another scholar; for example they state that "[Ralph] Linton uses the term 'status' in a way that is identical to our use of the term "position".

Social positions an individual may hold fall into the categories of occupation (medical doctor, academic lecturer), profession (member of associations and organisations), family (parent, sibling, etc.), hobby (member of various clubs and organisations), among others. An individual is likely to create a personal hierarchy of such positions, where one will be a central position while the rest are peripheral positions.

Social positions are visible if they require an individual to wear a uniform or some other kind of identifying mark. Often individual clothes or other attributes will advertise what social position one has at the moment. Non-visible social positions are called hidden. A position that is deemed the most important to a given individual is called central, others are peripheral. If a sequence of positions is required to obtain a given position, it can be defined as a career, and a change of position in this context is a promotion or demotion. Some social positions may make it easier for a given person to obtain others; in other cases, some positions may be restricted to individuals meeting specific criteria.

Social position together with social role determines an individual's place in the social environment and social organisation. A group of social positions will create a social class and a social circle.

A social conflict caused by interference between social positions is called a position conflict.

Subjective social position
Subjective social position refers to an individual's perceived social position in a social hierarchy. According to Kristina Lindemann the individual objective characteristics like education, occupation and income are related with the subjective social position. In addition, the culture and society that a person lives and grows in, heavily impacts an individual's subjective social position. "An individual's subjective social position status depends not only on the objective characteristics but also on how people experience society, the way they perceive their position in comparison with others, and what they imagine their position would be in the future." Lindemann divides objective characteristics into two groups, ascribed and achieved characteristics. Ascribed characteristics are things like age, gender, and ethnicity. Achieved characteristics are things like the education level, occupation, or income. Studies have indicated a significant relevance of these characteristics to an individual's subjective social position.

On the other hand, some theories expect that objective characteristics do not have influence on subjective social position. The reference group theory mentioned by Lindemann in her essay states that people see the world as an enlarged version of their reference group. People base their social position upon the people around them. Typically people's family, friends, and co-workers are usually very similar, and in general, most people see themselves as average and unexceptional. The status maximizing process also mentioned by Lindemann means that subjective social position reflects also person prospects and hopes for future societal attainment.

Lindemann's empirical study focuses on Estonian society. Age is considered an impactful characteristic on people when identifying with their social position in Estonia. Young people give higher estimation to their social position, which is a tendency also found in other Eastern European countries. Gender and ethnicity, are also considerable characteristics in identifying social position. In general, the subjective social position of men and women is not significantly different in western countries. Ethnicity impacts social position differently from country to country. More importantly the influence of ethnicity is closely related to the extent ethnic minorities are accepted by the overall society.

Different studies have shown that the effect of income on class identification in particular has increased during the last decades in Western countries. In Estonia, the income is the most important determinant that shapes people opinion of their social position. The increased influence of income on the subjective social position can be explained by the rise of consumer society values. In her studies Lindemann also found that occupation and education influence significantly the subjective social position. As expected, managers and professionals and higher educated people identify with the middle or higher strata, while unskilled workers and low educated people relate with the lower positions in social hierarchy.

In several studies, researchers have assessed Individuals' perceived social position using the single-item MacArthur scale of subjective social status. The MacArthur scale of subjective social status is a drawing of a ten-rung ladder presented as the distribution of individuals in a social hierarchy. People with the highest salaries, best ranked jobs and highest education levels are depicted as standing on the upper rungs of the ladder, whereas those with the lowest salaries, poorest jobs, and lowest education levels are those who stand at the bottom of the ladder.

Social class
A social class (or, simply, class), as in class society, is a set of subjectively defined concepts in the social sciences and political theory centered on models of social stratification in which people are grouped into a set of hierarchical social categories, the most common being the upper, middle, and lower classes.

Class is a subject of analysis for sociologists, political scientists, anthropologists, and social historians. However, there is not a consensus on a definition of "class", and the term has a wide range of sometimes conflicting meanings. In common parlance, the term "social class" is usually synonymous with "socio-economic class", defined as "people having the same social, economic, cultural, political or educational status", e.g., "the working class"; "an emerging professional class". However, academics distinguish social class and socioeconomic status, with the former referring to one's relatively stable sociocultural background and the latter referring to one's current social and economic situation and, consequently, being more changeable over time.

The precise measurements of what determines social class in society has varied over time. Karl Marx thought "class" was defined by one's relationship to the means of production (their relations of production). His simple understanding of classes in modern capitalist society, are the proletariat, those who work but do not own the means of production; and the bourgeoisie, those who invest and live off of the surplus generated by the former. This contrasts with the view of the sociologist Max Weber, who argued "class" is determined by economic position, in contrast to "social status" or "Stand" which is determined by social prestige rather than simply just relations of production.

The term "class" is etymologically derived from the Latin classis, which was used by census takers to categorize citizens by wealth, in order to determine military service obligations.

In the late 18th century, the term "class" began to replace classifications such as estates, rank, and orders as the primary means of organizing society into hierarchical divisions. This corresponded to a general decrease in significance ascribed to hereditary characteristics, and increase in the significance of wealth and income as indicators of position in the social hierarchy.

Human capital
One way to change one's social position is to increase human capital. The human capital theory suggest that people having more job-relevant resources, such as education and training, should receive more organizational rewards i.e. promotions than people with fewer of these resources. Human capital alone can affect social position to a certain extent. An individual has to have social skills and build social networks to help promote their social position.

Social capital
Another way to effectively increase one's chance of obtaining or sustaining social position is by increasing social capital. The social capital theory posits that certain qualities in workplace relationships are beneficial for receiving organizational rewards, and employees whose relationships are not characterized by these qualities are at a disadvantage. In other words, people who have social relationships with upper management might get to know about a promotion possibility before someone lacking in the social capital infrastructure that relays that sort of information.

Erika James finds through studies and analysis that in general blacks have been promoted at a slower pace than whites. This workplace discrimination occurred most likely because of unequal human/social capital between the two races. Clearly this is not a justification for the actions to occur. The issue of race still exists as a statistically proven factor in American job markets.

Trust
For an individual to hold a social position thoroughly and knowledgeably they must be trusted in the market and reflect it in their behavior. Paul S. Adler says that a review of trends in employment relations, interdivisional relations, and interfirm relations finds evidence suggesting that the effect of growing knowledge-intensity may indeed be a trend toward greater reliance on trust. He believes the form of trust that is most effective in this context is of a distinctively modern kind - "reflective trust" - as opposed to traditionalistic, "blind" trust.

The values at work in modern trust are those of the scientific community: "universalism, communism, disinterestedness, organized skepticism" (Merton 1973, p. 270). Modern trust is inclusive and open. The author concludes that the efficacy of trust for knowledge management and the likelihood of its growth over time are maximized if:

 * 1) Trust is balanced by hierarchical rules to ensure stability and equity
 * 2) Trust is balanced by market competition to ensure flexibility and opportunity
 * 3) Trust is modern and reflective rather than traditionalistic and blind

There is an element of trust necessary within society and for identifying with a particular social position - especially relevant to particular community positions where one's actions weigh heavily on one's social position.

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Franz von Soxhlet

Franz Ritter von Soxhlet (12 January 1848 – 5 May 1926) was a German agricultural chemist and inventor.

Biography
Franz von Soxhlet was born on 12 January 1848 in Brno, Moravia, Austrian Empire and migrated with his family to the German Confederation. He was the son of spinning industrialist Hubert Soxhlet, an immigrant from Dalhem near Liège (in the former Duchy of Brabant).

He gained a PhD at Leipzig in 1872 with the dissertation Zur physiologischen Chemie der Milch. In 1879, he became a professor of agricultural chemistry at the Technical University of Munich.

He invented the Soxhlet extractor in 1879 and in 1886 he proposed pasteurization be applied to milk and other beverages in order to prevent disease and spoilage.

Soxhlet is also known as the first scientist who fractionated the milk proteins in casein, albumin, globulin and lactoprotein. Furthermore, he described for the first time the sugar present in milk, lactose. The Soxhlet solution is an alternative to Fehling's solution for preparation of a comparable cupric/tartrate reagent to test for reducing sugars.

Death
He died on 5 May 1926 in Munich, at the age of 78, and was buried alongside his wife at the Alter Friedhof Pöcking, Starnberg (district).

Family
Franz was married to Helene Maria, née Dreßler (1847–1914). They had two children: Son Erich, Dipl.-Ing. in Munich, and daughter Helene (1881–1955), who married Lieutenant Colonel Walter von Lossow (1872–1943).

Honours (excerpt)

 * Order of Saint Michael (Bavaria), Knight 2nd Class
 * Honorary doctorate (Dr. med. h. c.) from the University of Halle in 1894
 * Awarded the honorary title of Privy Councilor (Geheimer Hofrat) in 1911

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User:Ytrottier

 * "The much lauded objective evidence is never triumphantly there; it is a mere aspiration or Grenzbegriff marking the infinitely remote ideal of our thinking life..."
 * -William James

About
I sign my posts with my first name, Yannick. I am a Canadian engineer with an MIT degree and 16 years of of diverse practical experience: I've been lucky enough to work on submarines, helicopters, space payloads, nuclear reactors, and geothermal heat pumps. On Wikipedia, I get to share my knowledge, as well as keep it in a handy place for myself when my memory (or hard drive) fails. I am much more interested in content than format, but I sure spend a lot of time on citations of late. My Wikipedia contributions are an important source of pride and intellectual satisfaction for me. My first official edit was on June 5th, 2005, but I was contributing anonymously a few months before that. I was at Wikimania 2006 and had a great time.

Yannick Trottier

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Eugene Allen Gilmore

Eugene Allen Gilmore (July 4, 1871 – November 4, 1953) was Vice Governor-General of the Philippine Islands from 1922 to 1929, serving twice as acting Governor-General of the Philippines in 1927 and again in 1929. He also held positions as the Dean of the College of Law at the University of Iowa from 1930 to 1934, the twelfth President of the University of Iowa from 1934 to 1940, and the law dean at the University of Pittsburgh School of Law from 1940 to 1942.

Biography
Gilmore was born in Brownville, Nebraska to Andrew Gilmore and Sarah Jane Allen Hall. He received his B.A. degree from DePauw University in 1893, and his LL.B. from Harvard in 1899. He married Blanche Bayse of Rockport, Indiana on December 27, 1899. After practicing law in Boston, Massachusetts from 1899 to 1902, Gilmore served as faculty at the University of Wisconsin Law School from 1902 to 1922. While in Madison, he commissioned Frank Lloyd Wright to design a home, the Eugene A. Gilmore House. He was the Vice Governor-General of the Philippine Islands from 1922 to 1929.

Gilmore died of a heart attack at his home in Iowa City, Iowa on November 4, 1953.

Legacy
Gilmore Avenue, Quezon City, a major thoroughfare in the Metro Manila, is named after him, in turn lending its name to Gilmore station, an urban mass transit station located near the avenue. Gilmore Hall at the University of Iowa is named for him.

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In addition after you provide a source for the images, another requirement for Wikipedia images that it needs to be tagged. See: Image copyright tags. Most of the images that you uploaded seem to be "Fair Use." --Chill Pill Bill 16:58, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * You did everything right on the Terrell Owens wings flap image just remember that Wikipedia image tags or templates are caps sensitive which is why it didn't work for you. --Chill Pill Bill 01:31, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I didn't see anything wrong with the T.O. article. There is no duplicate. Good luck. --Chill Pill Bill 01:21, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Quincy Morgan

Quincy Demond Earl Morgan (born September 23, 1977) is an American former professional football player who was a wide receiver in the National Football League (NFL) for the Cleveland Browns, Dallas Cowboys, Pittsburgh Steelers, and Denver Broncos. He played college football for the Kansas State Wildcats, earning first-team All-American honors in 2000. With the Steelers, he won Super Bowl XL over the Seattle Seahawks.

Early life
Morgan attended South Garland High School in Garland, Texas. In football, he was a three-year letterman. As a junior, he was named All-State by The Dallas Morning News. As a senior, he received Team's Most Valuable Player, All-Area, All-Conference, All-State and prep All-American honors.

College career
Morgan enrolled at Kansas City Kansas Community College during the spring of 1998, where he ran track. He transferred to Blinn Community College at the end of the year. As a freshman, he helped the team win the Junior College National Championship. As a sophomore, he had 38 receptions for 645 yards, 9 touchdowns and was considered one of the top wide receivers in Junior College. He transferred to Kansas State University after the season.

As a junior, he posted 42 receptions for 1,007 yards, a 24-yard average (school record) and 9 touchdowns. As a senior, he registered 64 receptions (fifth in school history) for 1,166 yards (school record), an 18.2-yard average and 14 touchdowns (school record).

Morgan finished his college career with 106 receptions (sixth in school history), 2,173 yards (third in school history), a 20.5-yard average (school record) and 23 touchdowns (second in school history). He became one of only seven KSU players to catch more than one hundred passes, one of only four players with more than 2,000 receiving yards, second with eight 100-yard games. He was also the only Wildcat to notch 1,000 receiving yards in two consecutive seasons.

Cleveland Browns
Morgan was selected by the Cleveland Browns in the second round (33rd overall) of the 2001 NFL Draft. As a rookie, he passed Dennis Northcutt on the depth chart and started 9 games. He made 10 receptions for 432 yards and 2 touchdowns. Late in the season, against the Jacksonville Jaguars, Morgan was involved in a controversial ruling when he bobbled a fourth-down pass from Tim Couch; although Couch subsequently spiked the ball on the next play, officials reviewed Morgan's catch afterward and ruled he did not have possession of the ball. The verdict prompted angry Browns fans to throw beer bottles onto the field in an incident dubbed "Bottlegate".

In 2002, he had his best season as a professional, recording 56 receptions for 964 yards, a 17.2-yard average (led the NFL) and 7 touchdowns, while helping the team make the playoffs. In the season opener against the Kansas City Chiefs, he had 9 receptions for 151 yards and 2 touchdowns, but his effort was lost after linebacker Dwayne Rudd committed what is known in Browns lore as "Helmetgate", after taking off his helmet to celebrate with less than 10 seconds left on the clock and the Browns clinging to a 39–37 lead, which drew a critical unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. His most memorable catch was a Hail Mary touchdown reception with no time left against the Jacksonville Jaguars on December 8, sealing a 21–20 win.

In 2003, he started 15 games, collecting 38 receptions for 516 yards and 3 touchdowns.

In 2004, he started 5 games, collecting 9 receptions for 144 yards and 3 touchdowns. On October 19, he was traded to the Dallas Cowboys in exchange for wide receiver Antonio Bryant, following a public dispute between Bryant and Cowboys head coach Bill Parcells.

Dallas Cowboys
In 2004, Morgan would have a rather mediocre season with the Cowboys in 2004, despite his rapid elevation on the depth chart following an injury to Terry Glenn, finishing with 22 receptions for 260 yards. In 2005, Morgan performed poorly in an unexpected depth chart battle against second-year player Patrick Crayton and Parcells began to perceive him as uncompetitive, dropping him to fourth on the depth chart. He was released in order for the Cowboys to pick up wide receiver Peerless Price off waivers on September 5.

Pittsburgh Steelers
On September 6, 2005, he was signed by the Pittsburgh Steelers, reuniting former Browns offensive coordinator Bruce Arians. He was mostly used to return kickoffs, ranking fifth in the AFC with 23 returns for 583 yards and a 25.3-yard average. He also had 9 receptions for 150 yards and 2 touchdowns. He suffered a fractured fibula in the first-round playoff game against the Cincinnati Bengals, missing the rest of the playoff run towards winning Super Bowl XL winning team. He was released on September 2, 2006.

Denver Broncos
On September 18, 2006, he signed as a free agent with the Denver Broncos to return kickoffs. He appeared in 7 games, registering 17	returns for 423 yards and a 24.9-yard average. He was released on September 1, 2007.

Personal life
He ran a trucking company after he retired from football.

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The One I Love

The One I Love may refer to:

 * The One I Love (Belongs to Somebody Else), a 1920s song
 * "The One I Love" (Allan Jones song), a song from the 1938 movie Everybody Sing
 * "Dedicated to the One I Love", a 1957 song by The Shirelles
 * "The One I Love" (R.E.M. song), a 1987 song and a top ten hit in the US.
 * "The One I Love" (David Gray song), a 2005 song and a top ten hit in the UK.
 * The One I Love (manga), a manga series by Clamp
 * The One I Love (film), a 2014 American film
 * "The One I Love", a 2014 song by Blonde Redhead from Barragán
 * "One I Love", a 2002 song by Coldplay and the B-side of the single "In My Place"

Celui que j'aime

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Welcome to the Machine

"Welcome to the Machine" is the second song on Pink Floyd's 1975 album Wish You Were Here. It features heavily processed vocals, layers of synthesizers, acoustic guitars as well as a wide range of tape effects. The song was written by bassist Roger Waters.

Recording
The track was built upon a basic throbbing sound made by an EMS VCS 3 followed by a one-repeat echo which Waters would have played originally on bass guitar. On the original LP, the song segued from the first 5 parts of the suite "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" and closed the first side. On the CD pressings, especially the 1997 and 2000 remastered issues, it segues (although very faintly) to "Have a Cigar". This segueing is a few seconds longer on the US version than the UK version. David Gilmour admitted that he had trouble singing one line of the song, saying, "It was a line I just couldn't reach so we dropped the tape down half a semitone." He sang the part at a slightly lower pitch then the tape speed was raised back to normal.

Time signatures
Like many Pink Floyd songs, "Welcome to the Machine" features some variations in its metre and time signatures. Each bass "throb" of the VCS synthesizer is notated as a quarter note in the sheet music, and each note switches from one side of the stereo spread to the next. Although the introduction of the song (when the acoustic guitar enters) does not actually change time signatures, it does sustain each chord for three measures, rather than two or four, resulting in a nine-bar intro where an even number of bars might be expected.

The verses and choruses are largely in, or "common time". However, on the line "It's all right, we know where you've been", a measure of is inserted, shortening the sequence, and causing the left-right stereo panning to be reversed for quite some time. An instrumental section begins, with the acoustic guitar adding variations in its strum pattern, until it switches to for a length of time, when a 12-string acoustic riff is introduced, ascending up the E minor scale until the chord changes to C major seventh. Finally, the instrumental section ends, and the second verse begins. With the lyric, "It's all right, we told you what to dream", once again a measure of is inserted, and the stereo panning is finally returned to normal. Incidentally, these two phrases beginning with "It's all right ..." are the only parts to feature any chord other than some form of E minor or C major—these phrases go to an A bass in the first verse, and in the second verse, the acoustic guitar articulates the A as a major chord, with its C♯ in contradiction of the frequent C chords. The song remains in from this point forward.

Music video
The music video was animated by Gerald Scarfe which was initially a backdrop film for when the band played the track on their 1977 In the Flesh tour. The fanciful video begins with what appears to be a giant mechanical Horned Toad crawling across a rocky terrain. The scene segues into a desolate industrial cityscape consisting of towering gleaming steel structures. A cylinder disturbingly cracks and oozes blood while a cuboid unfolds itself and the scene goes into girders laden with decayed corpses and rats (with one of them looking emaciated). A view of a barren landscape with a tower that extends from the horizon that morphs into a screaming unnatural form, which then stops to pant for a few seconds before viciously decapitating an unsuspecting man in the foreground. The head then very slowly decomposes to a skull as the sun sets. Finally, three buildings stand tall until an ocean of blood washes away this scene. The waves turn into thousands of hands waving in rhythm to the music (much like people at a rock concert). All of the surrounding structures are swept away except for one. Despite being pulled at by the bloody masses, the monolith survives and synchronizing with the synthesized sound at the end of the track, it flies upwards high above the clouds into space where it fits securely into a hole in a massive floating ovoid object.

Personnel
Music and lyrics by Roger Waters.

 * David Gilmour – six and 12-string acoustic guitars, double-tracked vocals
 * Nick Mason – timpani, cymbals
 * Roger Waters – bass guitar, EMS VCS 3
 * Richard Wright – EMS VCS 3, Hammond organ, ARP String Ensemble, Minimoog

Live performances
The song was performed for the first time on Pink Floyd's 1977 In the Flesh tour. Gilmour and Waters shared lead vocals, although in initial performances, Gilmour sang on his own with some backing vocals by Waters. Also for the 1977 live performances, David Gilmour played his acoustic guitar parts on his Black Strat, Waters played an Ovation acoustic guitar, Snowy White played bass guitar, Nick Mason played his timpani parts on his drum kit with mallets, and Rick Wright handled the Mini-Moog synths and VCS3 while Dick Parry played the string synths off-stage. The live renditions of the song were complex because music had to be synchronised with the backdrop film and its sound effects. As a result, the band had to wear headphones and listen to a click-track which, in turn, meant that there was very little room left for improvisation.

Pink Floyd would play the song again on their A Momentary Lapse of Reason Tour (1987–89) where Tim Renwick played lead guitar, while Gilmour played a 12-string acoustic guitar. These renditions were not synchronised to the film.

The song was performed by Roger Waters during his 1984-85 Pros and Cons of Hitch Hiking Tour, on the 1987 Radio K.A.O.S. Tour, with Mel Collins as saxophone soloist. All of these performances were perfectly synchronised to the film. These live versions deviated significantly from the album version. It was also played on the 1999–2002 In the Flesh tour (only stills from the animation were used) and appears on the In the Flesh concert DVD and CD. Waters also performed the song on his Us + Them Tour (2017–18), in a version which resembles the album version, in which the music is yet again synchronised perfectly with the screen video.

Studio notes
David Gilmour's quotes on the recording process, taken from the Wish You Were Here songbook.

"The only time we've ever used tape speed to help us with vocals was on one line of the Machine song. It was a line I just couldn't reach so we dropped the tape down half a semitone and then dropped the line in on the track."

- David Gilmour, 1975

"It's very much a made-up-in-the-studio thing which was all built up from a basic throbbing made on a VCS 3, with a one repeat echo used so that each 'boom' is followed by an echo repeat to give the throb. With a number like that, you don't start off with a regular concept of group structure or anything, and there's no backing track either. Really it is just a studio proposition where we're using tape for its own ends -- a form of collage using sound."

- David Gilmour, 1975

"It's very hard to get a full synthesiser tone down on tape. If you listen to them before and after they've been recorded, you'll notice that you've lost a lot. And although I like the sound of a synthesiser through an amp, you still lose something that way as well. Eventually what we decided to do was to use D.I. on synthesiser because that way you don't increase your losses and the final result sounds very much like a synthesiser through a stage amp."

- David Gilmour, 1975

Cover Versions
Shadows Fall recorded a cover of the song on their 2002 album, The Art of Balance.

Queensrÿche recorded a cover of the song on their 2007 covers album, Take Cover.

Finger Eleven recorded a cover of the song on their 2023 Greatest Hits album.

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Sneakers (2002 video game)

Sneakers, released in Japan as Nezmix: Have A Mice Day! (ねずみくす), is a video game developed by Media.Vision and published by Microsoft Game Studios exclusively for the Xbox in 2002. Sneakers is an action-puzzle game in which the player leads a group of mice to explore a house and its surroundings to detect enemy rats and protect their group in beat 'em up fights. Marketed as making use of 'fur shading' graphics, the design of the mice in Sneakers was intended to showcase the technical capabilities of the Xbox. The game was developed as one of two Japan-exclusive launch titles for the Xbox, and was later released in North America in an exclusive distribution with Toys R Us retail stores. Upon release in Japan, Nezmix sold poorly, with critics attributing the release to contributing to the poor launch of the console in the country. The North American version of Sneakers received generally unfavorable reviews, with criticism directed at the game's linear and repetitive gameplay.

Gameplay

In Sneakers, the player leads a group of mice to locate and battle with four squads of enemies in a stage. Gameplay in Sneakers takes place across two phases. In the 'search phase', the player moves in a linear direction around various areas to hunt for enemies within a time limit. Players are able to choose a direction at certain points where their path splits, and can climb and jump across certain gaps. Navigation is assisted by the game's stage map, which allows players to identify visited and unvisited areas and the location and number of enemy squads. When the player identifies an enemy scout is nearby, the player can press a button to enter the 'check mode' to move a cursor with the thumbstick to select a scout or interact with items a scout is hiding in to reveal them. The player may encounter obstacles that prevent them from moving, requiring them to interact with items or solve puzzles to progress.

Once the player has located all the scouts from an enemy squad in an area, the player can navigate to a battlefield area to enter the 'battle phase'. In this phase, the player leads a squad of mice to defeat the enemy squad in beat 'em up combat, using a series of skills including punches, kicks and blocks. Players have a limited amount of lives and health that can be replenished by food. Players can issue commands to friendly mice using 'command mode' to task them to collect food or other items. When a player defeats the squad in a stage, they then face a boss. Upon completing the stage, the player receives a 'stage grade' for their performance from A to E, with factors such as the time limit, number of enemies defeated, items collected and surviving friendly mice influencing the grade.

Plot
In Sneakers, the player takes on the role of a mouse named Apollo, a mouse living in the attic of a small house on a river in Paris. Apollo and his friends, Bonnie, Brutus, Watt, Pete and Tiki are planning a celebration alongside the humans living in the house, who are having a party in a local park. After collecting scraps of food for the festivities, the mice discover that the local rats have stolen their food. Unlike the mice, the rats are hostile and unfriendly. Bosses of rats have organised and amassed the other rats, known as bully rats, into packs. In the midst of the chaos, Bonnie discovers that her brother Tiki is missing, and disappears to search for her. Aided by his friends, the player's goal is to find and eliminate the squads rats across five levels, spanning a house, alley, park, cellar and bridge, and rescue the missing mice.

Development and release
Sneakers, initially released in Japan as Nezmix, was developed by Japanese studio Media Vision, who had previously released titles under the Wild Arms and Crime Crackers series of video games. The developers originally conceived the game to depict a cartoon or picture book theme, but pursued experimentation with a realistic visual style after attending a demonstration of 'fur shading' techniques at SIGGRAPH, and intended to showcase the graphical capabilities of the Xbox. Nezmix was announced at the Tokyo Game Show in October 2001 in anticipation of the Japanese launch of the Xbox. The game was published by Microsoft Game Studios as a launch title for the console, at the time being one of two releases exclusive to Japan alongside Nobunaga's Ambition: Chronicles of Turbulent Times. Upon its initial release in Japan, Nezmix performed poorly, selling over 8,000 units at launch. Critics noted that the commercial failure of the game was reflective of the poor performance of the launch of the Xbox in Japan. Describing the launch as a "disappointment", Game Developer Magazine noted that "none of the games designed specifically for Japanese gamers, such as Sneakers, have made a big impact. Edge attributed the dismal launch to the decision by Microsoft to select Sneakers as a launch title over the more successful Halo: Combat Evolved, citing the game's failure as due to its "lacklustre animation" and departure from the kawaii design preferred by Japanese audiences.

Microsoft Game Studios announced that Nezmix would be released as Sneakers in North America, and showcased the game at E3 in May 2002. Pre-release reception of the game was mixed. IGN described the game's demo as "wretchedly boring" and "animated poorly", writing the game "doesn't even attempt to flex the Xbox muscle." In a more positive preview, GameSpot praised the title as a "nice-looking game" due to its fur rendering system and "exquisite" environmental textures, although hoped future development would "transcend the limitations placed on it by the lack of wholly free movement". Sneakers was released in North America as an exclusive distribution deal with Toys R Us stores, with the method of distribution viewed as an ominous portent of the game's quality. Xbox Magazine described the game as a "risky release" and noted that "the fact Microsoft was cautious about releasing this over here warrants some concern." Similarly, Electronic Gaming Monthly remarked "if you were Microsoft, would you release a game you thought was any good to one chain of stores? Didn't think so."

Reception
The game received "generally unfavorable" reviews according to the review aggregation website Metacritic. Many critics noted the game's easy and simplistic mechanics and limited variety. GameSpot reflected that the modes of gameplay were "neither challenging or compelling", with the game "beaten in two hours or less". Xbox Nation wrote "the specific challenges...are easy enough to accomplish; individual rats can be targeted and dispatched simply by shifting to a first-person view, putting a cursor over the foe and pressing a button". Describing the game as "limited and simplistic", Allgame noted that the "objectives remain the same in each of the five areas".

Several reviewers also critiqued the game's linearity and limited level of exploration and interaction. Describing the gameplay as "an interesting concept but limited in practice", Official Xbox Magazine found the game's movement to be "restrictive in exploration" due to the game's "rigid track". Edge noted the game contained "no freedom", writing that whilst "junctions afford a choice of route...the implied non-linearity is utterly superficial" due to the requirement to explore all areas. Finding the game to be "poorly designed" and "irritating", Allgame wrote that the game's navigation was "confusing to the point where players are in relation to the door leading to the next room", noting that "interacting with the environment is non-existent".

Reviewers also expressed disappointment in the game's graphics and touted use of 'fur shading'. IGN described the shading as "a poor example of what (the) Xbox can do visually" and critiqued the game's low frame rate. GameSpot remarked that the shading "looks cheap and inconsistent, and draws attention to the simplicity of the character models". Allgame critiqued the game's animations, writing that "walking is funny looking, as each rodent moves with approximately two frames of animation." However, GameSpy praised the game's "clear and colourful" environments and found the fur shading to make the mice "fuzzy and pet-able". Xbox Nation found the game's puzzles to be "not so puzzling" and "add little depth to an otherwise very shallow children's game."

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Florent Placide (talk) 21:36, 21 January 2014 (UTC)Florent PlacideFlorent Placide (talk) 21:36, 21 January 2014 (UTC) Colby Donaldson appeared in a episode of Larry David's "Curb your enthousisam", episode 9 "The Survivor". I think if it's a choice between a stub article about the subject and a redirect to a different article, a stub is better. MK2 17:17, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Frankly, anything but a redirect is going to get deleted through VfD anyway. It was pretty close to being a speedy candidate. Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 18:56, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Is this just your personal opinion or are you following some existing policy I'm unaware of? There are numerous other articles on Survivor players - enough so that it's become a category. And the article you deleted was only a hour old, so it hardly had enough time to grow beyond a stub. MK2 03:08, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It's my experience of articles on nobodies whose only claim to "notability" is to appear on cheesy reality-TV programmes. Moreover, I didn't delete it, I made it into a redirect. Are you claiming that there's anything more interesting to say about him? Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 10:55, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Sure, you didn't delete it - you just removed all the words. It's a subtle distinction. If we delete every article on any subject that somebody thinks isn't interesting, we'd have a pretty small encyclopedia. The fact that other people (including myself) consider the series and its players worth writing about indicates that there are other people who are interested in this subject. If you're somebody's who's not interesting in this topic just ignore it. MK2 05:02, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * No, you misunderstand. First, deleting is very different from blanking. The article is still there, its history intact, as a redirect; if I'd deleted it, there'd have been nothing.  Secondly, Wikipedia isn't a free-for-all, where everyone can come and write whatever they like; it's a community, collaborating on an encyclopædia, and it has policies, guidelines, and customs.  When I said that the article would have been deleted by VfD, I was making a prediction of what the community would decide, not expressing my personal opinion.  My personal opinion coincides with what I think the community would decide, but that's incidental (I often disagree with community decisions). Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 09:09, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I guess we'll have to agree to disagree: I feel the difference between deleting an article in its entirity and removing all its content is essentially meaningless. And I also feel that you have misread the views of the community on whose behalf you were acting. Others and myself have put forth some effort into writing articles on the television series Survivor and its players. Obviously, we are interested in the subject and think other readers are as well. If you feel this strongly on the issue, I would suggest we submit it to a wider forum and find out what the actual consensus is.MK2 17:08, 6 Jun 2005

Donaldson's rivalry with Jerri Manthey should be mentioned. Ross22 (talk) 12:57, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Fraternity and Survivor discussion

 * Mel, I understand your opinion re "It's my experience of articles on nobodies whose only claim to "notability" is to appear on cheesy reality-TV programmes" but just because you think they are nobodies, doesn't necessarily mean they all are. I respect your opinion, but this is a site dedicated towards helping people find information.  Just because YOU think that somethings are irrellevant, doesn't make it so.  Reality tv is huge and its characters have become minor celebrities.

 * The discussion above is irrelevant to the current disagreement, though. We now have an article on an actor, and I'm perfectly happy about his notability and the appropriateness of the article.
 * The issue now is whether to include tedious detail of uninteresting antics on a reality television show (which I'd guess he himself would rather be left behind him), and (even less notably) the fact of his having belonged to a student group one of whose members was someone famous... I mean, you're really not doing the man any favours by implying that these are interesting or notable facts about him.  If one is made notable by that sort of thing, then any graduate of a major University is notable. I've been a member of a number of Oxford Colleges, and a list of the novelists, actors, politicians, etc., who were also members, many of whom I knew, would fill a Wikipedia article much longer than this one.  I bet you'd vote against it in a VfD, though.  I would. --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 18:43, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * What he is most remembered for is how he lost a chance at a million dollar prize. Congrats on being a member of many Oxford Colleges.  Maybe an article is appropriate for notable members of those colleges.  Donaldson's Fraternity Phi Delta Theta has a list of notable members.  As do many of the well known Universities that have pages here. Also, you stated "irrelevant matter of who was also a member of his fraternity", and I consider that to be an interesting fact, as some others might.  If you feel that the connection is not needed, so be it, but deleted the entire reference to what Fraternity he was even a member of. AriGold 19:07, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

 * 1) Anyone who's notable will have an article, and the Colleges have lists of notable alumni.
 * 2) I don't recall seeing membership of fraternities in any other article on genuinely notable people; this seems simply to be an attempt to suggest notability by association.
 * 3) I've placed this article at requests for commewnt, in the hope that this issue can be settled by outside opinions. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 09:34, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

I don't recall seeing membership of fraternities in any other article on genuinely notable people
 * You said...
 * Link to reference in Ronald Reagan's article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan#Early_life_and_career
 * Link to reference in Steven Speilberg's article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Spielberg#Trivia
 * Link to reference in Benjamin Harrison's article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Harrison#Biography
 * Link to reference in Bill Clinton's article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_clinton#Arkansas_political_career_and_education
 * Link to reference in Neil Armstrong's article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Armstrong
 * Link to reference in Brad Pitt's article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_pitt
 * Link to reference in Frank Lloyd Wright's article : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Lloyd_Wright
 * Link to reference in William McKinley's article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_McKinley#Biography
 * Link to reference in David Spade's article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Spade
 * Link to reference in Johnny Carson's article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Carson#Before_The_Tonight_Show
 * Link to reference in Roger Ebert's article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Ebert#Personal_life
 * Link to reference in Burt Reynold's article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burt_Reynolds
 * Link to reference in Lou Gehrig's article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lou_Gehrig#Life_before_professional_baseball

Should I keep going? AriGold 12:41, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

 * No, fair enough; I'd never read any of those (and if I had, I'd probably have ignored the fraternity business, because it doesn't mean anything to me). --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 13:00, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks, though I still disagree on your deletion of how he lost on Survivor. How can this be resolved? AriGold 13:10, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

As I mentioned above, I've listed the article on RfC, so I'm hoping that we'll get outside views on the question; I'll go and alter it now, given that half the issue has been resolved. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 13:26, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks, it's just my opinion that the way he lost the million dollars is relevant to his article, afterall, it is what made him "famous" in the first place (his picking the wrong opponent for the final round when he had a sure win against a lesser opponent). AriGold 13:42, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's probably the main reason we know who he is and I think that is a notable fact about him. Bollar 13:48, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

But who's the "we"? People who watch U.S. reality television programmes, possibly, but that's not even most Americans. Most people won't (like me) have heard of him at all, but if he's going to become notable, it will surely be because of what he does, not because of a minor incident in a past he'd probably rather leave behind him. (Incidentally, so far as I can tell, he didn't lose a million dollars — he failed to win it... Millions of people fail to win large sums of money, but losing it would have been notable.) --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 14:06, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * "We", yes the american television watching public. Most people in the US don't know who Cristiano Ronaldo is, should we delete most of his post because a lot of people dont know about him or care to know about him? I think you are failing to understand that just because YOU don't think it's a notable fact, doesn't make it so. Let me put it this way, every week over 20 million Americans watch Survivor. That's equivalent to 1/3 of all of the people in England.  Survivor has been one of the highest rated/most watched, in certain years it was THE highest, shows on American television. Donaldson became so famous for the way that he "lost" the prize, that Rosie O'Donnell rewarded him with a motorcycle. Donaldson, at the end of Survivor, had two choices 1) Take Keith and be a sure winner for the million dollars, as the other contestants who vote for the winner did not like Keith but did like Colby, or 2) uphold his promise to Tina and run the risk of losing the prize because she was also well liked.  He upheld his promise and lost because of it.  That is "losing" the prize, when you make a decision you know will take away you chance at an almost sure thing. Bollar agreed so far also, and that is all the input we have so far. In the eyes of the American public and media, he lost it. AriGold 14:14, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

No, no, you're going back to the beginning; I'm not contesting his notability, or the existence of the article (and I don't know who Gary Neville Cristiano Ronaldo (you changed the example while I was replying) is; I'll look it up in a minute); I'm saying that details of a here today, gone tomorrow reality programme shouldn't overbalance the details of his career. Perhaps he's well-known now — for this now, but Wikipedia is an encyclopædia, not a news magazine. We're not limited to timeless truths, but we shouldn't include details that are too ephemeral. My view is that this is ephemeral, and while it's fine to mention it, we shouldn't include a blow by blow account. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 14:33, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I couldn't decide which player to use, sorry. :-)  I am guessing your not a football fan.  The fact is, with Donaldson, regardless of what he manages to do in his career and however pathetic it might be, he will probably always be "the guy who blew it on Survivor".  I don't understand why you are so against added the fact that propelled him into being "famous". It's like saying we shouldn't mention the fact that Drew Barrymore is John Barrymore's grand-daughter because it might overshadow her career or include a blow by blow account of her personal life. Also, as far as it being a "here today, gone tomorrow reality programme", it has endured 10 seasons now, it doesn't really seem to be "here today, gone tomorrow".  AriGold 14:43, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Perhaps the Drew Barrymore example is a good one here: mentioning her famous grandfather is fine; spending hald the article talking about it (how he used to dandle her on his knee, how she had his nose but her other grandfather's eyes, etc.), would be unbalanced. Your version of the article spends more than half its length on this one episode. (And you're right, I'm not very interested in football.  Now if you'd mentioned Viv Richards or Ian Botham...) --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 16:56, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

You've reverted the article on the basis of the one person to post here from the RfC; the RfC has been up for a matter of hours — let's have a little more patience. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 17:04, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Although I didn't mind the detail, the edit you just made seems fine to me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bollar (talk • contribs) 18:11, 19 July. 2005
 * Agreed. I just reworded a bit.  Seem ok to everyone?  AriGold 17:18, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

I'm very glad that my attempted compromise went down OK — though I'm more than a little surprised that you took out the reference to the million dollars. I'd thought that that was one of your main points? I removed the brand as I assumed that Wikipedia wasn't in the business of advertising a particular make of razor. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 18:17, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Again, this is all up for debate and subject to everyone's opinion, but I thought how he lost was the most important thing to note. Let's not argue about advertising on the page, he is a spokesman for a certain company, there's no need to hide that. Just like Sarah Jessica Parker's work with The Gap, on her page they don't say "a clothing retailer", you know?  References in Kate Moss's page recite "Versace, Chanel, Gucci, Dolce & Gabbana" as brands she works for.  Just because a brand is listed doesn't make it an ad. Are you just looking to bicker about stuff?  ;-)  AriGold 18:27, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

 * No, I was explaining why I removed the detail that you'd replaced, and was hoping for some consensus on the right approach. Note that, as Wikipedia is full or mistakes, non-policy formatting and content, and inconsistencies, one shouldn't justify an edit on one article by pointing at another article, unless there's independent reason to think that they're both right rather than both wrong. --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 19:46, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, it's my opinion that editing out the names of corporations, brand names or others that are used for informational purposes, and are not blatant spam or unsolicited advertising, are perfectly fine. There is nothing wrong with saying, "so-and-so is the spokesmodel for such-and-such brand of clothes".  Once you start replacing brand names with generics like "a certain clothing line", you're making a decision that deprives people of basic knowledge for no good reason. I'm done with this whole discussion now.  Thanks for all your help. AriGold 19:52, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Personally, I just what to make a comment about the idea that his Survivor appearance is not notable. Survivor was a huge cultural impact on American Television (it basically made Reality TV Popular, though it didn't invent it), and despite your assertion that it is "here today, gone tomorrow", the show is actually still on, and will premier it's Sixteenth season late February. The Finale of Australia I believe was the show's most watched episode, and may have broken 40million viewers, I could be wrong on that, but I'm pretty sure I'm at least close. That moment in the scope of reality TV history and even general Television history, is extreme. Reality Television, despite the automatic bias that many non-viewers have against it, is legitimate for of media. Yes, a lot of it is trashy, but Survivor isn't even one of those. It is actually a very interesting look and human nature and even better a really great look at game theory. I have heard of college professors using the show as an example of game theory. Though it has it's casual viewers that treat it like trash entertainment, it's hardcore fans take it to a very high level of intellectual analysis. For example, looking at this thread (http://survivorsucks.yuku.com/topic/15771 ) shows that statistical game theory analysis involved in the game. I just want you to know that your belittling of the show seems to be an effect of the anti-reality TV bias that sadly even good shows like Survivor (and the Amazing Race) have to suffer. --Madhackrviper (talk) 05:09, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Really?
"Donaldson also hosts the new spin off of Top Shot, called Top Guns, which premiered on H2 February 15, 2012, which features firearm instructors and former Top Shot competitors from Top Shot who test firearms throughout history."

I can't argue about him hosting Top Guns, especially as at this point I have thus far watched every episode aired. But on that last part of this sentence is it really neceissary to say Top Shot twice. I'm refering to the part discussing the former Top Shot competitors. It seems a redundancy to me to say "former Top Shot competitors" and then say "from Top Shot." I mean if you say former Top Shot competitors doesn't that make sense that they had to appear on the show to be former competitors of it? As it stands it is basically saying twice that these are folks who competed on the show. Perhaps this should be changed to either "former Top Shot competitors who test firearms throughout history" or to "former competitors from Top Shot who test firearms throughout history." No need to say twice that these folks appeared on the show.

Also, isn't this a bit of a run on? Should the sentence end after 2012 then make a second sentence starting with "The show features....." instead of one sentence which appeares to focus on two subjects? The first subject is Donaldson hosting Top Guns and when the new show premiered. But then the focus switches to explaining what Top Guns is about, which is a different subject. -anonymous 3/27/212 11:56 PM EST — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.64.5.105 (talk) 03:56, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

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Note on Anzio Participation:
Original article stated that the 3rd Infantry Division served at Anzio for just under 4 months, whereas it has now been corrected to just over 4 months. The first elements arrived at Anzio on January 22 and the breakout that the 3rd ID spearheaded occurred on May 23rd.

Also, it mentions that the breakout was Operation Diadem. More accurately it should be stated that the breakout was Operation Buffalo, which was the code name for the attack towards Cisterna. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.254.18.190 (talk) 18:47, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Update to page
Hi, this is Sgt. Udejiofor, I am the social media NCOIC for the 3rd Infantry Division PAO, we were trying to update all our previous CSM, but we were blocked on doing so; Could you advice me on what/how to edit the 3rd Infantry division page? 2600:1005:B058:A8FE:8059:F0B9:BB18:4736 (talk) 14:56, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You will need to make an account, and thoroughly review our policies on conflicts of interest and paid-contribution disclosures, and make the appropriate disclosures on your account first. Those articles will explain the limitations on what types of edits you are allowed to make to the 3rd ID page. Thanks. ⇒   SWAT Jester   Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 16:26, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


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Abraham Yates Jr.

Abraham Yates Jr. (August 23, 1724 – June 30, 1796) was an American lawyer, civil servant, and pamphleteer from Albany, New York.

Early life
Yates was born on August 23, 1724, in Albany, New York. He was the ninth child born to Christoffel Yates, a prosperous farmer and blacksmith, and Catelyntje Winne. His siblings included Joseph Yates, a merchant, and John G. Yates, a blacksmith.

His paternal grandparents were Joseph Yates and Albany native Huybertie (née Marselis) Yates. His nephew Robert Yates represented New York at the Philadelphia Convention. Another nephew was Continental Congressman Peter Waldron Yates.

Career
After completing preparatory school, Yates was apprenticed to a shoemaker, which later led his political foes to call him a "crude cobbler" and Philip Schuyler to deride him as the "late cobbler of laws and old shoes". An ambitious man, he went on to become a surveyor, investing in land, and then studied law with Peter Silvester, setting up a successful law practice. Eventually, Yates was appointed the Sheriff of Albany, serving from 1754 until 1759 under the agency of Robert Livingston Jr.

From 1754 until 1773, he was elected and served on the Albany City Council where he was closely associated with the populist George Clinton (who eventually became the Vice President of the United States). Yates' election was notable as the council was generally made up of wealthy merchants and he was the sole lawyer among the group, and was known for his attacks against the patrician landowners of the era and support for small farmers. He was also known to be a forceful opponent of British oppression.

From 1774 to 1776, he was the chairman of the Albany Committee of Correspondence. Yates was also a member of the New York Provincial Congress from 1775 to 1777, serving as president pro tempore on November 2, 1775, August 10, 1776, and was its chairman in 1776 and 1777.

Yates was a delegate for New York to the Congress of the Confederation in 1787 and 1788, and won a reputation as a "churlish delegate who often cast the only 'nay'" vote. Yates was the solitary vote against the Northwest Ordinance for its gross violation of Native American rights. He argued against "the seizing on countries already peopled, and driving out or massacring the innocent and defenceless natives, merely because they differed from their invaders in language, religion, in customs, in government or in colour." He was also a member of the Council of Appointment in 1777–78 and again in 1784.

New York State Senate
Commencing on September 9, 1777, Yates was a member of the 1st New York State Legislature, having been elected to represent one of six seats for the Western District, which consisted of Albany and Tryon counties. He was re-elected several times and served thirteen consecutive sessions in the Senate until he declined re-election following his refusal to sign an oath to the U.S. Constitution. He was succeeded by Stephen Van Rensselaer. By the end of his time in the Senate, the Western District consisted of Albany, Columbia and Montgomery counties.

Yates, along with his fellow Anti-Federalist nephew Robert, with whom he shared the pen-name the "Rough Hewer", was a prolific pamphleteer. He was known for his strong Anti-Federalist writings around the encroachment of Federal powers over New York state affairs and his opposition to the ratification of the Constitution. Both Yates were prominent opponents of the nationalist Federalist Alexander Hamilton.

Mayor of Albany
Following his retirement from the State Senate, Yates old friend and the then New York Governor George Clinton appointed him as the mayor of Albany in 1790, a role he served in until his death in 1796. As mayor, Yates opposed and was a vocal critic of the Federalist John Jay (who succeeded Clinton as Governor and appointed Stephen Van Rensselaer as his Lt. Governor) following the Jay Treaty, which was a 1795 treaty between the U.S. and Great Britain which purportedly averted war between the countries and resolved issues remaining since the Treaty of Paris of 1783 (which ended the American Revolutionary War). The opposition led to the formation of the anti-Treaty Democratic Republican party in New York. During his term, oil street lamps were installed in Albany.

Yates was a presidential elector in 1792, and cast his votes for George Washington and George Clinton. In 1795, Yates was also a founding trustee of Union College.

Personal life
In 1746, Yates was married to Antje De Ridder (1726–1795), the daughter of Cornelis De Ridder and Susanna (née Vandenbergh) De Ridder. Together, they were the parents of five children, Christoffel, another Christoffel, Tanneke, Cornelis, only one of whom survived to adulthood:
 * Susanna Yates (1762–1840), who married New York State Treasurer Abraham G. Lansing, the brother of Chancellor John Lansing Jr. They lived in a house built by his Yates at what became 358 North Market Street in Albany.

Yates died in Albany on June 30, 1796, and was buried at Albany Rural Cemetery.

Descendants
Through his only surviving child Susanna, he was the grandfather of fourteen, including: Jannetje, who died unmarried; Abraham, who died young; Gerrit Yates, a member of the U.S. House of Representatives who married Helen Ten Eyck (daughter of Abraham Ten Eyck); Cornelius De Ridder; John, who died unmarried; Antje, who died young; Sanders Jr., who married Angelica Schuyler; Christopher Yates, who married Caroline Mary Thomas; Anna, who married Rev. Walter Monteath; Sarah B., who died unmarried; Susan, who married Peter Gansevoort; Barent Bleecker, who married Philanda Orcutt; George, married Harriet Schermerhorn (daughter of Cornelius K. Schermerhorn b. 1779 d. bef. 1850). and Abraham Yates, who married Eliza Van Alstyne.

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Great White Hope

Great White Hope may refer to:

People

 * James J. Jeffries (1875–1953), American boxer
 * Jess Willard (1881–1968), American boxer
 * William Warren Barbour (1888–1943), American amateur boxer
 * Luther McCarty (1892–1913), American boxer
 * Jerry Quarry (1945–1999), American boxer
 * Gerry Cooney (born 1956), American boxer
 * Willie de Wit (born 1961), Canadian boxer
 * Tommy Morrison (1969–2013), American boxer
 * Al Kaufman (1886 – 1957), American boxer and film actor
 * Al Palzer (1890 – 1917) German-American boxer

Other

 * The Great White Hope, a 1967 play by Howard Sackler
 * The Great White Hope (film), a 1970 motion picture adapted from the play
 * "Great White Hope", a song by Styx on the 1978 album Pieces of Eight

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Category:Political divisions of the United States

The territory of the United States may be divided into three classes of non-overlapping top-level political divisions: the 50 States, the federal district, District of Columbia, and a variety of insular areas. There are other political divisions overlapping with or subordinate to the above, for example: counties.


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Is "Tuscan 'Chiana' district" a typo? The only entry on Chiana is a farscape character. Balletgirl313 17:21, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

Is the correct spelling Trasimene or Trasimeno? The correct spelling is Trasimeno. Btw 'Chiana' is not a typo.

Trasimeno is the Italian spelling. Trasimène in the French spelling. Trasimene is the British-English spelling. (British-English spellings of Italian place names frequently follow French.)

When Britain still thought of itself as an imperial power, the educational curriculum included a lot on the Roman empire, almost as though it were a precursor to The British Empire. British school children, at least in the posh schools got, a lot of classical history. They certainly got an earful of the Ballad of Lars Porsenna of Clusium (Chiusi), an Etruscan King who had a run-in with the expanding Roman empire a couple of centuries before the Caesars killed off the republic. In that ballad the lake is Trasimene. However, since the British stopped learning classical history and (more recently) stopped learning any history at all, most of us have no reason to know that there ever was an 'English' word for Trasimeno!Charles01 23:11, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Cleaned up the copy
OK, I edited the copy, obviously badly translated from the Italian. If anyone doesn't like how I did it, feel free to do it yourself. Jhobson1 18:46, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

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Talk:Robert Edwards (physiologist)

Photo
There is an image of Prof. Geoffrey on the Nobel Prize websitethat would be suitable for use on this article. Cathal Toomey.

 * He deserves the Nobel prize for basically inventing IVF. Ekem 17:22, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * There we go. Ekem (talk) 17:31, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

 * Ekem you must be feeling gratified! Your prediction came true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.144.36.2 (talk) 19:24, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Beautiful. --Aqwis (talk) 23:27, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

The invalid picture and caption should not be part of the article, unless someone can find the photo somewhere on Wikipedia somewhere or find if it available to be used on wikipedia. Otherwise, it should be deleted. Feedback is appreciated. Adamdaley (talk) 11:38, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

why this nomination had to wait thirty five years until it became true and agreed on? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.90.196.132 (talk) 17:06, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Birthplace
I believe that Robert Edwards was born in Batley, West Yorkshire and not Manchester. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Countarthurstrong (talk • contribs) 20:14, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Article title

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved Tiggerjay (talk) 03:27, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Robert Edwards (physiologist) → Robert Edwards (physiologist) – per WP:COMMONNAME - sources do not use his middle initial Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:05, 12 April 2013 (UTC) PS: I attempted to move this manually, from the old title of Robert G. Edwards, but obviously did something wrong and then was unable to self-revert. As far as I can see, the talk page has been renamed but not the article - I'm not sure why. Apologies to anyone having to clear this up. Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:08, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

 * Comment. Looking through some of the sources the results seem mixed, maybe you could put together a case here to support your claim? Also bear in mind that we prefer natural disambiguation, which in this case would be to include the initial rather than use parentheses. Zarcadia (talk) 21:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * If you are looking at sources now, you need to bear in mind that many of the obits will have used this article - particularly its title - as a source for his name, and that many academic journals routinely use initials. But news reports and other non-academic sources when he was alive do not, so far as I know, use the initial, and on that basis it should not be used as the article title.  But my main concern is that whatever I did (and don't ask me to explain how) has left the article and its talk page with different titles, and that needs to be rectified one way or the other.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:24, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * It seems that reliable sources are mixed over the usage of the initial, please see below:

Robert G. Edwards:

Robert Edwards:

so I don't see a case to move an article with natural disambiguation to one using parentheses. Zarcadia (talk) 22:01, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, fine. I don't really care.  But will someone remove the inconsistency between the article and the talk page?  Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:12, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey! Don't get despondent. It's not personal, we just want to make the most informed choices possible. I'm sure you've got a lot to give to the wikipedia project! :) Zarcadia (talk) 22:27, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * "I don't really care" means "I don't really care" - not "I'm going to end it all". :-)  Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:36, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

 * Support if the G. isn't always used, and it isn't, then (physiologist) is a better way to find this Robert Edwards among many. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:22, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Support per In ictu oculi. Green Giant (talk) 00:22, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Support Natural disambiguation has its shortcomings, and in particular shouldn't be used to insert a middle initial unless it's very commonly used, such as with John F. Kennedy. --BDD (talk) 16:47, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment consensus appears clear, requesting G6 to make room for move. Tiggerjay (talk) 05:06, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
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For conflict of interest reasons I am offering these suggestions rather than editing (I am Robert Edwards authorized biographer and knew him for forty years). 1) delete ‘lung disease’ in final section (not the cause of death); 2) mention should be made of his pioneering work on embryonic stem cells in Glasgow. For reference I suggest his historical article: Edwards, RG. IVF and the history of stem cells. Nature 413; 349-351, 2001; 3) at the risk of being accused of self-serving I suggest the subject’s authorized biography should be cited as the most complete and up to date record of the man’s life andachievements: Gosden RG. Let There Be Life.  An Intimate Portrait of Robert Edwards and his IVF Revolution.  Jamestowne Bookworks, Williamsburg, Virginia, 2019. ISBN 978-0-9975990-4-6 RogerGosden (talk) 22:08, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Call him "Sir"?
Please check: Is Robert Geoffrey Edwards with title CBE entitled to be called "Sir"? Normally the male with CBE, being the third class of the Order of the British Empire, is not called "Sir"; only males of the two highest classes are.

116.110.42.241 (talk) 09:12, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

 * No this is correctly documented. His knighthood (as documented Knight Bachelor, awarded 2011) is not associated with any order, so post-nominal initials are not appropriate, nor do they supersede his CBE. Semudobia (talk) 11:25, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Bast (biology)

OK, someone please try to give some logical rationale for why a substub on something not very well known gets to be listed at Bast, while a detailed article on the most commonly known use of the word is stuck at Bast (goddess). That other article should definitely be here and this thing can exist as a dicdef disambig line in italics at the top or bottom of that other article. DreamGuy 17:23, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

I'm guessing its because plant biology is more commonly described in an academic environment than Bast, who is only one deity of many, in a field of study (egyptology), which is no-where near as popular, or as useful to industry, as botany. 17:48, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia policy is that the most common use of the term gains precedence for the article title. In this case it is clearly the mythological figure. And I would disagree strongly that this term in biology is more often used in an academic environment that the goddess, having seen no proof of it anywhere and lots of contrary proof. DreamGuy 00:45, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

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Bow (watercraft)

The bow is the forward part of the hull of a ship or boat, the point that is usually most forward when the vessel is underway. The aft end of the boat is the stern.

Prow may be used as a synonym for bow or it may mean the forward-most part of the bow above the waterline.

Function

A ship's bow should be designed to enable the hull to pass efficiently through the water. Bow shapes vary according to the speed of the boat, the seas or waterways being navigated, and the vessel's function. Where sea conditions are likely to promote pitching, it is useful if the bow provides reserve buoyancy; a flared bow (a raked stem with flared topsides) is ideal to reduce the amount of water shipped over the bow.

Ideally, the bow should reduce the resistance and should be tall enough to prevent water from regularly washing over the top of it. Large commercial barges on inland waterways rarely meet big waves and may have remarkably little freeboard at the bow, whereas fast military vessels operating offshore must be able to cope with heavy seas. On slower ships like tankers and barges, a fuller bow shape is used to maximise the volume of the ship for a given length. The bow may be reinforced to serve as an ice-breaker.

The forward part of the bow is called the "stem" or "forestem". Traditionally, the stem was a timber (or metal) post into which side planks (or plates) were joined. Some boats such as the Dutch barge "aak" or the clinker-built Viking longships have no straight stem, having instead a curved prow.

Types
Many types of bows exist. These include:

Etymology
From Middle Dutch boech or Old Norse bógr (shoulder). Thus it has the same origin as the English "bough" (from the Old English bóg, or bóh, (shoulder, the bough of a tree) but the nautical term is unrelated, being unknown in this sense in English before 1600.

Prow
The "prow" (French : proue) is the forward-most part of a ship's bow above the waterline. The terms prow and "bow" are often used interchangeably to describe the most forward part of a ship and its surrounding parts.

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Psycho Sid

Psycho Sid may refer to:

 * Sid Eudy, an American professional wrestler
 * a character in the British comic Smut

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Talk:Polish diaspora

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I do not think the stub tag serves this article best; it already has more than a stubs worth of content. The expand template seems made for this purpose. If you don't think so, perhaps you could consider using the Template:Section stub tag instead? See User:Triddle/stubsensor/20050516 and User:Triddle/stubsensor/20050516 -- Triddle 17:25, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

Portuguese Language
"Polonia" also means Poland in Portuguese, in addition to the languages already listed. It does, however, carry a circumflex, i.e., "Polônia", so I don't know if it disqualifies it for mention in the article. -- tmegapscm 2005-08-07
 * "Polonia" is the name for Poland in a whole lot of languages. It wouldn't make sense to list them all here. – Kpalion (talk) 10:07, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Edit
A part of the Polish citizens that migrated to USA were Jewish, but not all, so I think that the words "were actually" is incorrect and misleading. Informationguy

Polish diaspora
I think the search for Polish Diaspora should redirect here, as non-polish people may not know what Polonia is, I didn't.

Polish Jews
Are those descended from Polish Jews considered to be part of Polonia by modern-day Poles? My Jewish grandmother's parents came from Poland, and they definitely did not consider themselves to be Poles. --Jfruh (talk) 21:51, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

 * It depends on individual cases. I've known both. Basically if you keep up the Polish language and share in some of the culture (music, etc.) then yeah, you're part of the Polonia, broadly defined. It's mostly a matter of self identification. It might also be worth noting that not all Poles living abroad (who still identify themselves as Poles) consider themselves to be part of any "official" Polonia. Sometimes those organizations got their own politics and subculture which can seem strange to, say, more recent, arrivals.radek (talk) 06:59, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Name Change from Polonia to Polish diaspora
"Diaspora" itself is an ethnic-specific word for the Jewish people outside of Israel and Judah. And that remains the default meaning unless the word is qualified (e.g. "German diaspora"). Polonia is the loan word with the most specific meaning. Despite my concerns, is there agreement on the rename? RevelationDirect (talk) 01:07, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

15 to 20 Million
Hi,

I removed the 15 million because 15 is far too low and impossible, alone the top 4 countries (USA, Germany, Brazil and France) are around 15 million together, 900.000 in White Russia, 500.000 in UK, 450.000 in Argentinia, 300.000 in Lithuania and 300k in Russia, 150.000 in Ireland, 75.000 in Latvia, 100.000 in Italy and very much countries with more than 1.000.

See the graphic (if its not grey you found polish people there) or just check the nice table in the german article (countries with flags and numbers, so you don't need to know 1 word german to understand the list):

From South Africa to Norway or Iceland, from New Zealand to Germany (New Zealand is the country with the largest distance to Germany and I think South Africa and Iceland could be the same) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kilon22 (talk • contribs) 13:52, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

 * The use of national populations as the key to colour an entire country is misleading because it does not reflect the population of the host country. The United States has 9 times as many people of polish descent as Canada, but it also has 9 times as many of everybody.  I would suggest using circles.  A large circle would represent 1 million poles, a smaller circle (1/3rd the size for example) would represent 100,000, a smaller circle yet 10,000, and so on. Or for less than 100,000 you could use a segment of the 100,000 circle. Jamescobban (talk) 09:58, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

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The table states 5000 Poles in Denmark, which is supposed to be 0.001% of Denmark's population...

which doesn't make much sense, as it would mean there are 500 million of Danes in total. — Preceding unsigned comment added by McCartney~plwiki (talk • contribs) 19:49, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

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Jews
I put https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Polish_diaspora&diff=922026951&oldid=921889351 back because the source is a tenured academic cited 100s of times. Exclusion of Jewish Holocaust survivors should be stated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.52.79.24 (talk) 12:42, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * All that this article is saying is that this and some other English Wikipedia articles are incomplete. Feel free to expand them. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:44, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Polish diaspora
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Polish diaspora's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

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Brazil numbers highly exaggerated
Brazil's population is overwhelmingly black or mestizo. However, all pages related to Europeans settled in Brazil cite exaggerated numbers. The same goes with German-Brazilians, British-Brazilians, etc. Neighbouring Argentina accounts for half a million Polish and its national football team has two playes of Polish ancestry (Foyth and Dybala). Can anybody cie a Polish-Brazilian in Brazil's national team? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.189.238.80 (talk) 19:23, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Diaspora numbers can be tricky. However, the number of football players of Polish ethnicity on the national team isn't a yardstick for anything.Nyx86 (talk) 15:42, 17 March 2021 (UTC) strike sock
 * A little knowledge ...
 * The fact is that from 1850s onwards Brazil and in particular, Curitiba, received many European immigrants, among them, around 300,000 people from Poland! Po Mieczu (talk) 12:33, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/BP MS 150

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BP MS 150
Charity-bike-ridecruft. Some Google hits but I doubt that charity rides across part of a US state are inherently notable. Hedley 17:26, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not sufficiently notible. -SocratesJedi | Talk 18:12, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Remark: .808 kiloGoogles (kG) -SocratesJedi | Talk 18:12, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Question: Are all these links relevant to the article? Mgm|(talk) 18:51, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
 * 423 unique Googles for "bp ms 150". Most appear to be relevant. No vote. A и D я 01D  TALK  EMAIL  20:56, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete non notable. JamesBurns 03:59, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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