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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hossein Derakhshan

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was keep. — Xezbeth 15:07, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

Hossein Derakhshan

 * Delete Vanity Page 70.19.111.5 03:45, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * It seems this was created by User:Hoder, who hasn't created a user page of his own. So this would count as vanity, but it's been NPOV'ed by other users.  For right now, I'd say this should be Userfied to Hoder.  -- Grev -- Talk 04:14, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Change vote to keep per ElfWord. -- Grev -- Talk 18:12, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete There's no room for bloggers in Wikipedia. --Bloghate 05:07, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep
 * Keep and delist. VfD vandalism by IP address 70.19.111.5 who is working hand in glove with User:Bloghate.   —RaD Man (talk) 08:16, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep notable journalist. Mgm|(talk) 09:52, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable. DS1953 14:03, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep I found articles on this guy in BBC and Wired in no time. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 14:38, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages.  Please do not edit this page .


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Talk:Ampang and Sri Petaling lines

First open
Is it 16 December 1996 (in the info box) or 16 December 1995 (in the introduction)? --208.87.233.201 (talk) 02:56, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Merge with Ampang Line and Sri Petaling Line
The Ampang Line and Sri Petaling Line of the Kuala Lumpur rail transit network are previously known as the STAR Line. The two lines share a common ticketing and operating system, trains and tracks between the Sentul Timur Station and Chan Sow Lin Station. Besides, a significant part of the two articles are exact copies of each other. For the article Kuala Lumpur Star Light Rail Transit, it is the former name of the two LRT lines, and should be merged with the two article as well. I propose that the three articles (Ampang Line, Sri Petaling Line and Kuala Lumpur Star Light Rail Transit) should be merged into one article titled Ampang Line and Sri Petaling Line. -- Joshua  C  hi  e w 03:34, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Opposed - They are of different entity. Star was part of Ampang and Sri Petaling lines. Now both lines are being noted separately.
 * I think that you might have misunderstood something. When Rapid KL took over the LRT system, STAR LRT was renamed to Ampang Line and Sri Petaling Line for the two branches of the system.-- Joshua  C  hi  e w 03:39, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * What I was meant to say is, this is Rapid KL and government's effort for a simpler naming system. Thus it rebrands Star LRT into Ampang Line and Sri Petaling Line so that to combine it with Kelana Jaya Line. It is true they is part of the same system, but we should value its separation. if we merge both articles, we have to modify many stuff and it will be messy. We have to modify the link in Rapid KL rail section and also in Public transport page. In the template on both pages, don't they look better in a separate form rather then in a combined forms?
 * We also have to modify the infobox to include "Number of Line" and we have to modify the alignment as well. It will be all so messy.
 * KTM Komuter also have a separate Rawang-Seremban Line and Sentul-Port Klang Line despite also having KTM Komuter article. They use the same ticketing, service, and also share some lines. Do we need to merge these as well? They are perfect in separate articles. So do Ampang and Sri Petaling Lines.
 * Airlines pages for example, will usually left their old name/defunct name under a separate article so that it will be an article about its history. For example Singapore Airlines and Malaysia Airlines and their old name as Malaysia-Singapore Airlines. We should treat this similarly. Just point both of Ampang and Sri Petaling Lines page to Kuala Lumpur Star Light Rail Transit in their history section. --Zack2007 04:17, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You've got your point, but as the a part of Ampang and Sri Petaling lines articles are exact copies of each other, any updates concerning the "common part" must be update in both articles. As for the links, I think that redirects are good enough to do the jobs.-- Joshua  C  hi  e  w  05:21, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Hence you agree to oppose the merger? Yes, that is true, and I guess the updates has to be put for both pages. However, the stuff unique for one line will be the one that differ. Remember the offshooting of train event? The Ampang Line train was involved, not the Sri Petaling Line train. Zack2007 11:33, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

As far as the discussion is concerned, I am going to close it and leave it as a status quo. So No Merge

Parking Lots, not free anymore (in most places)
I didn't really keep note of this, but if I am not mistaken, most of the parking lots available in most Ampang Line and the Sri Petaling line Star LRT stations do charge a fee. Possibly RM2.00 per entry a day. This is because there's a company which has taken over the free parking lots. Sorry if I couldn't state the details further, but this is currently happening. I did see the parking lots at Cempaka and Pandan Indah where a fee is needed to park their cars inside the station. Please take note. Thank you. Darrencomp (talk) 15:28, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Integration and connectivity
The section headed "Connection to other railway systems" begins "Since its launch, the Ampang Line had been intended to include forms of interchangeability with other rail-based systems in the region". Is there any evidence for this statement? My impression on the ground was always that each line was conceived in complete isolation, and only belatedly did the authorities realise that an urban rail network needs to be integrated. A notorious example is the interchange at Masjed Jamek where you have to go out of one station and along the street to get into the other one. Same thing at Hang Tuah with the Monorail. Also different fare structures and (for a long time anyway) no through ticketing. KTM Komuter all different again - each behaving as if the others didn't exist. So unless somebody can provide a citation for this assertion, I am inclined to delete it. - Alarics (talk) 08:19, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Split
Considering that I was the one who started the merge discussion on top, it's ironic that I am now starting a discussion to split this article. At that time, the system was treated and publicised as two lines by the rail operator. Zack2007 made a convincing argument against the merge, and so the articles were kept separate. Sometime later the articles were merged anyway, because RapidKL decided to treat them as one line. Now in the current rail transit map, it's back to two lines again. In addition, as the Sri Petaling Line is planned to be significantly extended, I think it should have its own separate article.-- Joshua Talk to me What I've done? 15:48, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Ampang Line
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I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 16:49, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

CSR Zhuzhou AMY trains tendered prices
(1) CSR Zhuzhou awarded Ampang Line train contract 10 Apr 2012 says "Lowest bidder CSR Zhuzhou has won a 530m ringgit contract to supply 20 trainsets for the 27 km Ampang Line metro in Kuala Lumpur, which is being extended by 17·7 km to Putra Heights." That's about RM26.5 million per AMY train.

(2) Kuala Lumpur orders CSR Zhuzhou metro trainsets 24 Oct 2014 says "Scheduled to be delivered between May and July 2015, these 30 trainsets worth 1·13bn yuan are in addition to 20 which were ordered in 2012 for delivery from November this year as part of the Ampang Line Extension project, the first section of which is scheduled to open in October 2015."

(3) 'AMY' Unveiled As Prasarana Reaffirms Commitment On Public Transport Thu, 2015-01-29 says "Manufactured by CSR Zhuzhou Electric Locomotive Co Ltd. (CSR ZELC), Amy is one of 50 new LRVs purchased under a contract worth about RM1 billion in a massive effort by Prasarana to further improve public transport services that included extension of the current LRT lines. While 20 units are procured under the Ampang LRT Line Extension Project (LEP), the remaining 30 are purchased to replace the existing fleet of 30 trains that had been used since 1996 during the days of STAR LRT." That's about RM20 million per AMY train.

Oh, can somebody please put above info in appropriate place in main article? TQVM. ;-) sabre23t (talk) 07:10, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

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Change Ampang Line Terminus from Chan Sow Lin to Sentul Timur
Previously, the Sri Petaling Line served the route from Sentul Timur to Putra Heights while the Ampang line was reduced to a branch line between Chan Sow Lin and Ampang. This was because of the upgrading of the signalling systems; the the portion between Chan Sow Lin and Ampang at that time have yet to be upgraded. Now the previous Ampang Line route, from Sentul Timur to Ampang, has been fully restored. The Ampang Line and Sri Petaling now share a common route from Chan Sow Lin to Sentul Timur. Trains travelling from Ampang now travel all the way to Sentul Timur. The northern terminus of the Ampang Line has to be changed from Chan Sow Lin to Sentul Timur and all stations between Chan Sow Lin and Sentul Timur have to be added to the Ampang Lines, together with the station codes corresponding to the Ampang Line. AG1 starts at Sentul Timur and Ampang is AG18. https://www.myrapid.com.my/traveling-with-us/how-to-travel-with-us/rapid-kl/monorail-and-lrts Draco97 10:12, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Changing the name of the article
The Ampang Line and Sri Petaling Line, though having a shared common route from Chan Sow Lin to Sentul Timur, has long been treated as two separate lines. The line numbers, colours, the transit maps and even station signage and on-board train announcements all show that they are indeed two different lines. Separating the lines into two articles will not be ideal because of the shared history and operations of the lines (rolling stock and routes etc). However, RapidKL has separated the two routes many years back and have disused the common name "Ampang Line" for both train routes. Therefore, the title of the article should now read "Ampang & Sri Petaling Lines" or "Ampang Line & Sri Petaling Line".Draco97 (talk) 15:38, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree. -- Alarics (talk) 19:53, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree with that too. I prefer "Ampang and Sri Petaling Lines" Fikku fiq (talk) 01:26, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
 * "Ampang and Sri Petaling lines" without the capped Lines is more appropriate, as in sources and per MOS:CAPS. Dicklyon (talk) 05:33, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Done. Dicklyon (talk) 05:46, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

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Ayyavazhi mythology

Ayyavazhi mythology is the mythology of the South Indian religious faith known as Ayyavazhi, which is officially considered a Hindu sect. The main source of Ayyavazhi mythology is the Ayyavazhi scripture, Akilathirattu Ammanai, and its supplement, Arul Nool. The Akilathirattu Ammanai is a recitation by Mayon (the Tamil name for Vishnu, or Lord Narayana) to his consort Lakshmi. It is divided into three sections: Early Avatars, incarnational events and post-incarnational events.

Early Avatars
The early avatars are all those that occurred prior to the earthly incarnation of Mayon.

The first six Yugas
The first Yuga ("aeon" or "era") was called Neetiya Yuga. During this time, divine, human and all other virtues flourished without hindrance. They did not fear demons, and there was perfect harmony among the creatures of the Universe, as well as among those who lived in the Fourteen Worlds. In this yuga, the king was righteous and did not oppress his people through taxes or other means.

During this peaceful time, Kroni was born. Kroni, who is analogous to Satan in the Christian tradition, is a primordial personification of evil. Though Kroni is said to have been born with multitudinous limbs, each the size of a mountain, he nevertheless assumes different forms in different yugas: as Ravana or Duryodhana, for example. Likewise, Mayon also incarnates in different yugas as different Avatars: for example Rama or Krishna.

In order to quell the ravenous hunger in his stomach, Kroni drank all of the waters of the sea. With these waters being insufficient, he swallowed Kailayam, the abode of Sivan (the Tamil name for Shiva), and then proceeded to devour the entire universe. Akilam one: 440-446. (text available at Wikisource)

Mayon, residing with Sivan in Kailayam, escaped to undertake tavam (tapas, meaning "austerity") and to receive permission from Sivan to destroy Kroni. Isvaran granted this permission, but made Mayon aware of the necessity to appear in different forms in the successive six yukams in order to destroy the Six Fragments of Kroni. Following this advice, Mayon sliced Kroni into six fragments and saved the universe. The first yuga thus came to an end.

In the second yuga, called Chathura Yuga, one of the six pieces of Kroni was formed into a creature named Kuntomasali. It had the shape and size of a mammoth leech, and when it disturbed the tavam of those in Tava lokam (the land of austerity), Mayon destroyed the leech by catching it with a hook.

In the third yuga, called Netu Yuga, another fragment of Kroni created two wicked individuals called Thillaimallalan and Mallosivahanan. They ruled over the people by extracting Uliyam and Iraikal (taxes) from them. When this exploitation became unbearable, the Devas (celestial beings) complained to Sivan, who, in turn, commissioned Mayon to carry out the destruction of the wicked rulers, which he did.

The fourth yuga was called Kretha Yuga. The third fragment of Kroni was, again, made into two siblings, called Suraparppan and Sinhamuka Asuran, and they were given responsibility to rule the Earth. The wicked rulers began to crush the Devas, who reported it to Mayon. Mayon took the form of Arumugan, the Tamil name for Kartikeya, and advised the rulers to desist from their wickedness. However, when they arrogantly spurned his advice, Arumugan eliminated them. During the same Yuga, Suraparppan was created, this time as Iraniyan. Mayon, incarnated as the son of Iraniyan (Prahlada), challenged his authority and finally took on the therianthropic form of man and lion (Narasimha) by piercing his stomach. On his deathbed, Mayon asked him to repent, but he replied arrogantly: "You cannot kill me. Only by placing ten mountains as ten nails might you kill me. Otherwise you can't."

In the ensuing yuga, called Thretha Yuga, Sivan, as per the request of Mayon, created the fourth piece of the primordial Kroni as a ten-headed mighty warrior, with the ten mountains as ten heads, naming him as Ravanan. He oppressed all those living on Earth by extracting Uliyam from them. He subdued all the earthly kings and made them pay tributes to him. Suffering under his oppression, the Devas sought the help of Mayon who, for the purpose of destroying him, took birth as Raman. On his death-bed, he repented, saying: "Only with the help of my brother were you able to destroy me." With this episode of killing Ravanan, Thretha Yuga came to an end.

In the sixth yuga, called Dwapara Yuga, the fifth fragment of Kroni was portioned into a hundred pieces, and made into Duriyodhanan and ninety-nine brothers to support him. The three brothers of Raman, along with Vibushanan and Sampoovan of the preceding epoch, were created as Pancha Pandavas in this aeon. The wicked Duriyodhanan was killed by the Pancha Pandavas, with the support of Mayon, who came in the form of Krishna. Even at the brink of death, Duriyodhanan refused to repent, saying that "only with your cunning mind were you able to defeat me, and otherwise not." Mayon then told him: "You will be created with knowledge, intelligence, and artistic skill in the next Yukam, and if you do not repent in that age, that will be your eternal annihilation." Having said this, Mayon went to Srirangam and dwelt there.

The Santror
Towards the end of Dvapara Yuga, Thirumal (Mayon), with the aid of Seven Virgins (Saptha Kanniyar), had begotten seven sons, known as the Santror Makkal (see Santror Pirappu), in order to accomplish the task of destroying the Kalineesan and Kali mayai (Kali Yuga Maya) that were to be countered in the following Kali Yuga.

After the birth of Santror, they were all named by conducting a naming ceremony (see The Naming ceremony of Santror) and fed with celestial nectar (see Feeding the children with Celestial Nectar). The Santror were raised by Bhadrakali and married to the daughters of Nirupathirajan (see Fostered by the acclaimed Deity Patrakali).

Kalineesan, Kali Yuga, and Kalimayai
The sixth fragment of the primordial Kroni was Neesan, the epitome of wickedness ((Tamil neesa meaning "wickedness"). Neesan was created in the form of a male human being who was wise, beautiful and intelligent. Neesan pushed himself out of the earth in an inverted form. Upon seeing his appearance, the celestial diviners predicted that he, being without normal human parentage, would have an undefined and rude physique, and that his intelligence and five senses would be rooted in falsehood. They further predicted that he would have a life as fragile as that of a bird, but he would unleash wickedness on people with arrogance.

Having obtained innumerable boons (see Boons), including the Chakra of Mayon and invincibility, Neesan proceeded to earth to rule over the people. On his way, he was accosted by Thirumal, who appeared as a Pantaram (an itinerant mendicant), with long flowing unkempt hair and torn clothes. Thirumal challenged him to a duel which Neesan refused, considering it beneath his dignity to fight with a Pantaram coming in such an attire without any weapon. Taking the opportune moment, Thirumal shrewdly made Neesan promise to forfeit all his boons if any of his lies caused trouble to any Pantaram on earth in the future. Then, he bought the Chakra from Kaliyan and cursed it as money. The money asked Thirumal when this curse would leave it, to which Thirumal replied: "It will leave you when Kali is defeated".

The Neesan was thenceforth called Kalineesan because the Kali Yuga had dawned along with his birth. Along with him was born an evil force called Kali Mayai (Kali Yuga Maya). The Kali here refers to the evil spirit behind Kali Yuga and not Kali, the Hindu deity).

Kali Maya engulfed the whole world and consequently, deceit and illusion began to contaminate the minds of the people. Age-old traditions and conventions, based on Dharmam, were unduly overthrown. Kalineesan introduced the discrimination of caste among the people. The powerless people were crushed with brute might. People, caught in the Kalimayai, began to be inimical towards one another - men against women, children against parents, and so forth. People used demonic force to harm one another. Kalimayai captured the king of Thiruvitankur and began to rule over the people as their king.

Thirumal in Thiruvananthapuram
Thirumal, dwelling at Sri Rangam hitherto, found it unworthy of his abode because of the misdeeds of the priests there. He shifted his tent to Thiruvananthapuram. When he reached there, a Pulayar woman saw him and spread the news to one and all. Hearing of this, Kalineesan constructed a temple of fine granite at the site where the Pulayar woman spotted Tirumal, and decorated the temple with gold and pearls. The king instituted scores of rituals and ceremonies at the temple to be performed by Namboothiri Brahmins. The lights of the temple were, however, lit daily from a torch brought from the home of the Pulayar woman.

Venneesan
Kalineesan had no children, so he went on a pilgrimage to Kasi, a holy place, and stood in tavam (spiritual suffering) for a son. While performing the tavam, he was distracted by the scene of a cleric embracing a woman. Because of this, Kalineesan's semen came out and fell into the water. A white crane came and swallowed the semen, became pregnant, and delivered a baby boy in the water. A sage, Punal Rhishi, took the baby, which was white in appearance, and looked after it.

Kalineesan, his tavam being defective, returned to his country in despair, resigned to a prediction that even if he were to have a son, it would be only the sons of his sister who would rule the country.

The baby, delivered by the white crane, grew up and came of age, and was married in the land of Chenkomatti. He prospered there with his progeny, who later emerged as a powerful people by learning the skills of ship-travel, trading in gold and silver, and diplomacy. This people, called Venneesa kulam, propagated a religion of their own, and through the lure of money gained many new members. Venneesan (the name comes from two words, venmai meaning "white," and neesan, meaning "wicked person") introduced a new calendar.

Santror in Kali Yuga
Kalineesan, coming to know about the valour and loyalty of the Santror people, appointed them as his bodyguards. It so happened that one day, while guarding the entrance of the king’s room, the body-guards happened to fall asleep, during which time, the enemies of the king, hailing from the king’s own race, entered the room and assassinated the king. The Kalineesan, while succumbing to the murderous attack, mistaking it to be a betrayal by the body-guards, cursed them that they and their progeny would be oppressed with oozhiyam (coolie service) and regressive taxation as long as the king’s dynasty ruled the country. The curse of the king began to take effect on the Santror. The Kalineesan, the successor of the previous king, imposed innumerable taxes on every article used by the Santror for their day to day living. Their occupational implements, the palmyra trees that supported them, and every item of the produce of these trees were punitively taxed. The produce of the palmyra trees was to be given to the high castes, failing which the Santror were tortured with corporal punishments. There were many arbitrary taxes imposed on them. The Santror found no favour with the rules, in spite of paying these cruel taxes.

Thirumal deserting Kalineesan
Having witnessed the woes of the Santror, Mayon admonished the king to desist from oppressing them. He reminded the king that it was his seventh birth, coming in the lineage of the primordial Kroni, and if he failed to repent during this opportunity, then it would be his eternal damnation. He exhorted him to revoke the cruel taxes and the exploitative system of uliyam, imposed on the Santror, the people born of Mayon's seeds.

The king retorted, saying:
 * "How dare you advise me to revoke the taxes and the oozhiyam imposed on the low caste Chanar? If I do so, how else do I earn gold coins - a hundred of them needed to perform puja for you every morning and evening, a thousand of them needed to take care of all the temples and me, and a ten thousand of them needed to pay my staff? Do I not get these gold coins by squeezing the labour of these Chanar? Even if you desert me and go to one of the Chanar places, I will never revoke the taxes and oozhiyam imposed on them."

Responding to the king, Mayon said:
 * "Did I ever ask you to offer me puja by exploiting the people? You offer puja not to me, but to the Namboothiri Brahmins. The whole world knows that the only thing that I receive whole-heartedly is the light brought by the Pulayar woman."

Peeved at the response of Mayon, the king mockingly said: "If you have not tasted any of my offerings, what then have you to do with me? Go wherever you want to..." Listening to the impenitent and brute words of the king, divine rage overcame Mayon and he said: "You have mocked at me and ill-treated me as you do to the Chanar. Lo, I am going away from your place to Thiruchendur. I will take on you in another form. Then, I will perform a Dharmam that you and the world will acknowledge as the greatest. I will destroy the pervasive demonic cult and crown the Chanar".

Having said these things, Mayon deserted Thiruvananthapuram. He told the people: "Henceforth, let all castes united as one people, come to the place where I am going to dwell". Having said this, he proceeded to Thiruchendur. It happened then that the fortress of the Kalineesan crashed into pieces. The earth was covered with darkness of slumber, the sea engulfed the land, and all the palatial buildings of the king were effaced. Seeing these calamities, the Brahmins lamented and the priests wailed. Mayon took his abode at the seashore of Thiruchendur. During this time, the venneesan had spread his wicked rule over the country, trampling upon the traditions of the land. He flouted the principles of Dharma, observed by the Santror and failed to give the dignity due to them.

Incarnational events
Incarnational events include preparations for incarnation, the event of incarnation, and the proclamations and instructions given to the newly incarnated god. Since Mayon's incarnation, as Lord Vaikundar, is the foremost power, this is considered to be the most important part in Akilathirattu Ammanai. Below is an elaboration of these events.

Preparing for incarnation
Seeing the degraded status of the Santror, the celestial gods made a plea to Mayon as follows: "Our young brothers, the Santror, are suffering endlessly under the yoke of the centuries old oozhiyam and have lost dignity and respect on account of that. Have you not seen their iniquities?" After listening to the plea, Mayon prepared for the incarnation. He made all the celestial gods take birth in the world in order to assist in destroying the kali. He set out to create new cattle, reptiles, birds, plants, trees, and all other elements of nature that would befit the new age of Dharma Yukam because the Dharma Yukam was to be characterised by a new life, new people, and new thinking. In that new age Shastras, Vedas and all the religions would be the same; the Tamil language would permeate the world; people would live united as a single humanity; the people of Mayon would live with pristine glory and they would flourish with all prosperity; the earth would yield abundantly; diseases, calamities and the impact of the evil magical practices would not affect the people; the old Shastras would be turned untrue, and instead, a new code would be enshrined.

Mayon — on the identity of his people
Mayon then enunciated the attributes of his children who would be his collaborators in the world. He said:

 * "The identity of my people is that they do not offer puja or sacrifices, do not have temples and priests, do not have offerings of flowers, do not offer blood sacrifices of goat, bull and roosters, and do not worship cows and images made of clay. Instead, they are those who do Dharmam to all those who come in my name."

Final admonition through Thiruvasakam
Before the incarnation of Mayon could take place, the three godheads decided to send a final admonition with the name of Thiruvasakam to Kalineesan that he might amend''. (see : Thiruvasakam (Ayyavazhi))''

Deciding to incarnate as Vaikundar
Kalineesan did not pay heed to the Thiruvasakam. Mayon then decided to incarnate as Vaikundar and, to that effect, walked towards the seashore of Thiruchendur. When the day came, Lord Narayana then instantly went into the sea, amidst the chanting of the celestial gods. Inside the sea, enveloping himself in a scorching flame, he approached Lakshmi who was awaiting his arrival in the form of a Lotus pedestal. Afraid of the ball of flame approaching her, Lakshmi worshipped it with reverence. Mayon revealed himself and took Lakshmi and told her of his intention to create a son. By that time, Mayon had come into the sea. Then, Lord Narayana himself incarnated as Vaikundar during an encounter with a deity Goddess Lakshmi, he was beget inside the sea and arose from the sea of Tiruchendur on Kollam Year 1008 at 20th day of Tamil Month Masi (1 March 1833 CE, Friday).

I (Hari Gopalan) am writing these words of Akilattirattu Ammanai with the grace of God!

" ‘O’ Lord you took avatar for Pandavas and eliminated their enemies.

You attained the abode of Kailasa with anger due to birth of Kaliyan.

Came again to the world to protect santror (good people) and dharma"

"On Masi 1008, I (Lord Narayana) myself appeared as Pantaram on the banks of sea, have taken residence in Theksanapuri as Vaikundar" – Akilattirattu

Akilattirattu says, Lord Narayana himself incarnated as Vaikundar and appeared as Pantaram on the banks of sea. This place became a holy place for the devotees of Ayya vazhi and they erected a temple there named Avathara pathi.

God says this prophecy,

"I (Lord Narayana) took the avatar for yuga trail and became the praise child for Sita.

As a king of Dharma yuga, I am going to rule the world with single command" – Akilattirattu

He then imparted certain arcane knowledge in the form of proclamations and instructions, known as Vinchai, to his newly niall son, Vaikundar. (see: Vinchai to Vaikundar)

Having given these exhortations, Mayon called his son intimately as Narayana Vaikundar and told him that if these teachings were observed strictly, the illusory force of kali would be contained and when people learned to live with self-respect, Kali would destroy itself.

Then the whole array of celestial gods sang lullabies (See:Thalattu, Palli Unarthal, Abayam.), praising the special attributes of the newly born child, Vaikundar. They praised him for having been born as the child of Mayon, in the race of Chanar, in order to teach the virtue of Dharmam to the world and to incinerate Kali.

Lord Vaikundar, having received all the instructions from his father, walked out of the sea to go into the world. Mayon sent two celestial sages (Kalai Muni and Gnana Muni) with him as witnesses to his activities. Vaikundar took the human form as Pantaram at Tharuvaiyur near seashore. From the point of incarnation of Vaikundar, it is said that he will destroy Kaliyan and the evil in Kali Yuga. It is also said that he will take all righteous people along with him in the succeeding eighth yuga called as Dharma yuga.

Post-incarnational events
The various episodes, that are portrayed to be occurring after the event of incarnation, are called here as post-incarnational events. Given below is an elaboration of them.

Vaikundar's emergence out of the sea
Vaikundar crossed over to the land from the sea and showing a human appearance as Narayana Pantaram to the mother of Muthukutty (alias Sampoornadevan), told her: "Woman, you had been Muthukutty mother before the year 1008 (AD 1833). I (Narayana) have been born as Vaikundar, the child of Mayon. I have received powers for redeeming the Santror. I am going to destroy the evilmongers and rule the world under a single command." Having said this, Vaikundar set out towards Detchanam (Dakshin, the south).

Vaikundar's journey to Detchanam
Vaikundar walked towards Detchanam, along the sea route. All along his path, the creatures of the sea and the animals of the forest greeted him, expressing their happiness, for they were to be freed from the clutches of Kali. Vaikundar, announcing the glad tidings to everyone, traversed the path towards Manavaippathi (Puvantantoppu) in Detchanam. The itinerant Vaikundar, reaching the temple of Pakavathi at Kanyakumari, told her that he, the Narayana Vaikundar, had come to uplift the lowly by ruling the world under the banner of Dharmam and therefore, she was to rescind from accepting any sacrifices or offerings.

Tavam
Making himself known to the people as Vaikundar, the great Narayana took his abode under a tree at the entrance of Manavaippathi.

Burning of the demons
When a year and a half had passed after undertaking the Tavam, people complained to Vaikundar of the disturbances caused by the demons in the world. Vaikundar, intending to put an end to the misdeeds of the demons, thought of incinerating them totally. He then summoned a celestial sage and sought his counsel on this matter. The sage, after going through the Akamankal (Agamas), told Vaikundar:

 * From the moment Narayana became Vaikundar and came to the world, the demons, the evil spirits and all other deceptions of the world are disappearing; Kali Yukam is being destroyed, together with the old Vedas. Puranas and Agamas have lost their substance. As of now, Vaikundar is establishing a Dharma Yukam that he will rule eternally. So, now is the right time to destroy all that are to be destroyed.

Vaikundar then assembled all the demons in one place. He made some persons in the gathering, who were accustomed to ‘possession’, to get ‘possessed’ of the demons in the presence of the people. The demons that had ‘come on to these persons’ began to tremble with fear and, by making loud cries, bemoaned their end. Resigned to their fate, they requested Vaikundar to tell them the modalities to surrender. When the demons asked it themselves, Vaikundar ordered them to make an oath in front of the people that they had surrendered all their powers. Accordingly, the demons made a public oath that they had surrendered all their powers. Then they fled to the mountain and killed themselves by falling into fire. As this happened, those that were dancing due to the ‘possession’ of the demons got exhausted and fell flat on the grounds. As the crowd was witnessing all these happenings, a few shepherds, tending their flock in the mountain, came rushing and reported that they heard the loud cries of the demons as they were falling in the fire. When the crowd heard these, they appreciated the way the demons were destroyed and acknowledged that Vaikundar was really the Narayanar needed for the country.

Seizing the power of magic, witchcraft, sorcery, trickery, etc.
Having destroyed the demons, Vaikundar thought of incarcerating the powers of Malaiyarasar, the people of the mountain who performed black magic, witchcraft, sorcery, etc., with the aid of evil spirits. No sooner had he thought of it than the wild animals, being released from the clutches of the Malaiyaracar, went berserk and attacked the people ferociously. Horrified at the behaviour of the animals, the Malaiyaracar resorted to their usual black magic to contain the animals. But, alas, this time, their magic did not work. Disappointed and worried, they became panicky and sought the help of a Kuratti, the village astrologer, to make them known the cause of these events.

Kuratti, hearing their woes, told them that Vaikundar had incarnated to eradicate the sufferings of all and therefore, they would do well to meet him to get rid of their woes. Coming to know of Vaikundar, the Malaiyaracar came to him immediately and pleaded with him to solve their problems. Vaikundar told them it was time for the destruction of all the evil forces and therefore, they would do well to surrender the knowledge of black magic, witchcraft, sorcery, and trickery, the spells used to bind others, and all types of esoteric charms in their possession. If refused to comply, they were warned of severe consequences. Hearing the admonition from Vaikundar, and fearing the consequences of the refusal to surrender, they agreed to hand over all their powers to him. Since they had not brought with them the manuscript documents that contained the spells, they vowed in front of Vaikundar and the people that they would never again resort to these practices. When they did so, Vaikundar advised and blessed them to take to cultivation as an alternative profession. When this was done, the celestial Gods wrote it in the heavenly records that Vaikundar had done away with the evil forces and had made Dharmam to prosper in the world.

Exhortations
Having incinerated the demons and seized the powers of the Malaiyaracar, Vaikundar exhorted the people as follows:

 * "From this day on, repose your faith only in Vaikundar, and fear not any other powers. Do not give offerings to temples, do not cast away your hard-earned money into dump-boxes, and keep your wealth to yourself."

Listening to these exhortations, people of all castes realised that kalimayai was being destroyed and Dharmam was established. Vaikundar brought Dharmam also to the flora and fauna, exhorting them not to hurt or kill each other, and not to crush the weak, but to live in harmony as one family. People came as one family and listened to the exhortations of Dharmam given by Vaikundar. They accepted him in their hearts as the undisputed God and lived happily.

Vaikundar's trial
At this time round, the king of Thiruvithankur, the Kalineesan came to Suchindrum for his routine visit. He was an agitated man. With his powers already been curtailed by the foreigners, he wanted to know whether there was any one else in his kingdom that could challenge his authority. The ministers told him as follows:

 * "From the race of the Chanar who perform the menial uliyam for us, someone, claiming to be the incarnation of Vishnu, is making pronouncements that he is going to rule the land under his one undisputed command. He has gathered people of all castes into one place around him. He has also claimed that he would destroy all his enemies and establish a rule of Dharmam. It looks the Chanar people are having a great day".

Listening to this, the king grew weary. He summoned a seer to know whether the news was true. The seer confirmed it, saying it was time the great Vishnu incarnated as Vaikundar. The king retorted to the seer saying:

"''"Even if the great Vishnu wanted to incarnate, would he, leaving aside the honourable Namboothiri and other Brahmin caste, come into this untouchable Chanar people? It looks to be a cheating".''

Listening to the king, an elderly person from a shepherd caste, who was in the assembly, advised the king saying:

"''"If Vishnu wants, he will take birth in any race and in any form. He may come as a Panan or a Pariyan. So better not to disturb this person".''

The king was infuriated and was not ready to listen to anyone's counsel. He ordered one of the chiefs of the army to bring Vaikuntar to him. Accordingly, a squad of soldiers came and surrounded Vaikundar who was sitting on a cot, performing his tavam. As the troops prepared to seize him, the Santror, standing near Vaikundar, got enraged and readied to attack the troops. Sensing trouble, Vaikundar prevented the Santror saying:

 * "My children, it is those who contain the instant rage that will become great. You are people of love. Keep restraint, I will make you rule the earth".

The army personnel, then, took hold of Vaikundar, tied him with a rope, and tortured him ruthlessly. They questioned him with spite:

 * ""Whether he became a deity for the Chanars? Whether he disguised himself as a deity in order to amass wealth?"

He was then led along the streets to the king. The wicked people threw stones at him, pulled his long hair and teased him, calling him demoniac. Some people from the low castes accused him of bringing disgrace to their race. Vaikundar did not utter a word in response. He reached Suchindram and was brought in front of the king. The king wanted to test Vaikundar's powers. He hid a ring in the palm of his hand and asked him to name it. Vaikundar, being aware of the fact that showing his powers would not aid his mission in any way but that it would only precipitate matters unduly, remained reticent. The king, being hurt by his silence, ordered him to be tortured more. Five kinds of poison were mixed in an arrack and given to him to drink. Vaikundar drank it as if he were drinking milk and remained unaffected. Seeing that the poison had not worked, Vaikundar was confined in a stinking prison, infested with worms and leeches. Vaikundar took upon himself all these sufferings for the sake of his poor Chanar.

Then Vaikundar was led through Kottar, Chunkankadai, Thuckalay, Padmanabhapuram, Balaramapuram, and brought to Thiruvananthapuram where he was detained in an open prison. While in the prison, many people came and worshipped him.

The Kalineesan did not relent from torturing Vaikundar. He ordered him to be thrown to a starving tiger. In that, Ayya Vaikundar proves to the world, his Power (see Katuvai Sothanai).

After that event, a person known as Poovandar went up to the king, and testifying to the genuineness of Vaikundar, pleaded for his release. The king, considering the request, wanted Vaikundar to sign a document as a condition for the release. The condition was that he would not any more gather the different castes, except his own, into one place. Vaikundar tore the piece of material that contained the condition into pieces and threw it on to the ground. However, the king did not wish to retain him in the prison anymore.

Vaikundar chose the nineteenth of the Tamil month Masi (February/March) to be the day of his release. His devotees, the Santror, carried him on a cradle through Balaramapuram, Parvathipuram, Kottar, Suchindram and reached back to Thamaraippathi.

Thuvayal Thavasu
Back in Tamaraipathi, Vaikundar continued according to the instructions of his Father. He instructed the people to undertake a tavam called thuvayal thavam (thuvay means to wash) which was also called Thuvayal Thavasu, an act of ritual washing of one's physique and clothes along with practice of self-abnegation and self-restraint.

Marriage with the Seven Virgins
Even as Vaikundar was continuing to instruct and serve the people, he intended to marry the seven virgins. He made some people of Chanar, young and old, male and female, get into a trance and dance. He made some of them narrate the accounts of the world, and of the story of the seven virgins carrying the seeds of Mayon and delivering the seven sons of the Chanar.

Vaikundar then, putting on the appearance of Narayana, made the Santror, who stood around him, to walk in the four directions and call out to their mothers, the Seven Virgins. The seven divine mothers, listening to the call of their sons, came out and paid respect to Vaikundar who had come to marry them and give them back their children as it was promised to them in their previous birth.

Once the divine mothers came, after confirming their desire to get married and to get back their children, Vaikundar announced to the world the news of the marriage of the Seven Virgins with Vaikundar. Vaikundar then asked the Santror what they would give as gift to the bridegroom. (see: Thirukkalyana Ekanai).

The Santror, the kith and kin of the brides, answered that all their wealth, even their very lives could be given as gift to him. Vaikundar then requested the Santror to take and give the hands of the seven virgins to him in marriage. When they did it ceremoniously, Vaikundar placed a glittering golden chain around the necks of the seven divine women.

The celestial saints then praised the special attributes of the marriage partners, and the race in which they hailed from. Then, singing the praises of Narayana and praying that he might fulfil his mission of ushering in the Dharma Yukam, the brides and the bridegroom circumambulated the ‘Pathi’ in their ceremonial attire. The supplications of the brides were that Vaikundar should destroy the evil age, usher in the age of Dharma, and make his people rule the Dharma Yukam.

When the marriage had taken place as per the earlier promise, the Santror realised that all the curses incurred by them had been erased and there was no curse anymore on their race. People came from all directions to pay homage to Vaikundar and presented him with various gifts.

Festivals and celebrations
Vaikundar thought of organising festivals and celebrations with the people who garnered around him. He fixed Sunday, the day of his birth in the sea, to be the day in every week for celebrations. People gathered there on every Sunday, bringing him gifts. They decorated the vicinity with flowers and festoons. Amidst crackers of fireworks and music of joy, the seven virgins, dressing themselves in saffron and sporting the Namam (sacred symbol on the forehead), came in grand procession on the streets alone with Vaikundar. Ayya Vaikundar, as a Pantaram, had donned himself in squalid rags, smeared the white mark on the body, tied a turf on his hair, and carried a cane. Besides his disciples, a large number of Santror came in procession along with him. Those who had participated in the thuvayal thavam also accompanied him by chanting the prayer, "Siva Siva" Those men and women, that were ‘taken hold of by divine power’, sang the praises of Narayaya and accompanied the procession.

During the procession, Vaikundar was carried in a golden cradle. A conch shell was blown, womenfolk made kuravai, and the celestial gods were showering flowers from above. People held these festivals in high esteem.

Vaikundar as the Reigning King
Vaikundar, being instructed through a dream that occurred to one of his followers, came to Moolakuntappati (Ambalappathi) with his kith and kin. Here he enthroned himself like a reigning king on a grand seat in a mansion built with pearls, designed with a pedestal for conducting the Ukattheerppu (the judgment). He vested himself in white silk, wore a golden cap on the head, and arbitrated for the people. People celebrated his presence there.

Marriage with the Deities
Vaikundar then decided to marry deities such as Pakavathi (Bhagavati), Valli, Theivanai, Mantaikattal, Lakshmi, Parvathi and Poomadanthai. He took on different forms and told the deities that they were to be united with him in order to destroy Kali Yukam and establish the Dharma Yukam. Then, compelling each deity to seduce a woman in the gathering, he married them in a grand manner.

Vaikundar, having married these deities, continued his activities among his people. People flocked to him in large numbers. They were pleased to invite him to their houses. They took him in chariots, arranged grand feasts in his honour, and presented him with very valuable gifts. Vaikundar laid the foundation for Nizhal Thangals in some villages that he visited.

Ascending to Vaikundam, the abode of Thirumal
Having accomplished whatever he intended doing, Vaikundar thought of attaining Vaikundam, i.e., leaving this world and going to the world of Vaikundam. He prayed to Thirumal to take him back as he had accomplished his mission. Thirumal, too, had thought of calling his son back, and so he commanded his sages to decorate the house for his son in Vaikundam.

Vaikundar then began contemplating on Vaikundam alone. As he was preparing, he instructed his Santror not to be afraid, and to live united in love. He gave them a white mark on their forehead. Then he began his journey to Vaikundam on 1126, Itabam 21, at noon. As he reached Vaikundam, Thirumal and Isvaran received him warmly. The Devas praised him for his singular, unsurpassable achievement of the tavam that he had undertaken for the sake of destroying the Kali.

When he was received in the celestial abode, his women and children on earth interred his golden body, erected a temple and conducted celebrations regularly.

Dharma Yukam [The final victory]
In Vaikundam, Thirumal asked his son whether he had fulfilled, without any flaw, all that had been told to him earlier. Vaikundar, in response, told him about the six-year tavam and other activities. The sages who had been sent to accompany him vouched for the flawlessness of the tavam he undertook. Being satisfied at the performance of Vaikundar, Thirumal and Isvaran crowned him gloriously, gave him a sceptre and other divine paraphernalia, and seated him on the throne. While on the throne in Vaikundam, he was worshipped by his people on earth. All those who stood by him and served him when he undertook the tavam were granted happiness on earth, besides the assurance of a life with him in Vaikundam. Those Neesakulam that opposed and tortured him were condemned to hell.

Once Vaikundar was crowned as the king, everything belonging to Dharma Yukam appeared as per the wish of Vaikundar. People worthy of Dharma Yukam, including his children and women, appeared instantly. A whole lot of new creatures, animals, plants and trees appeared. A new earth, new moon, new sky, new wind, etc. emerged. The wicked people disappeared and the people, worthy of Dharma Yukam, appeared. All those living beings, that had been ordered to come up at the coronation of Vaikundar, awoke to the new age. All those unworthy of Dharma Yukam were engulfed by the sea.

Then, Thirumal brought up the life of Kroni for judgment.

Thirumal interrogated him as follows:

 * "I had come as a Pantaram in the kaliyukam and had burned the demons, healed the people with water, solicited Dharmam, prevented offerings, and gathered the people in one place and taught them. You caught me and tortured me cruelly due to your wickedness. You did these things, contrary to your own promise given me earlier that you wouldn’t torture any Pantaram. You have violated your promise, and therefore, you yourself have brought ruins upon you. Have you any response to this?"

Kalineesan, then, without having anything to say, surrendered all his powers and boons. The force of illusion took hold of him and put him into the flames of the abyss where the devils resided. All the evil forces of the kalimayai were also destroyed likewise. And then, Vaikundar blew a conch shell to announce his victory. Hearing the sound of the conch-shell, all that befitted Dharma Yukam - the virtues, the Sastirankal, the plants and trees, the reptiles and the birds, the divine women and their children - all gathered around Vaikundar. He gave them blessings, and instructed them to live fearlessly. He enjoined upon them to assemble in one place, to drink from the same well, and live happily as per the values of Dharma Yukam.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anil Dash

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was keep. — Xezbeth 15:06, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

Anil Dash

 * Delete No personal vanity page here! randomhater (There is no user named randomhater; page history shows this comment was added at the top of discussion on June 15 by anonymous user 216.27.176.184. User:Betsythedevine
 * Delete Vanity Page 70.19.111.5 03:48, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete There's no room for bloggers in Wikipedia. --Bloghate 05:08, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Bullshit. There are 270 blogger-related articles on Wikipedia at this very moment.  See Category:Bloggers.  Anil Dash is VP of the company which owns LiveJournal, amongst other things.  This entry is notable, verifiable and NPOV.  No valid reason given for deletion by the anonymous nominator.  My vote is to keep and delist from VfD as an invalid nomination.  —RaD Man(talk) 05:56, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: User:Bloghate was created the same day this article was posted to VfD. Probable sock puppet as the user migrated immediately to VfD and this particular vote was their 8th edit.   —RaD Man(talk) 05:59, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Mild Keep Sounds worth an entry, and User:Bloghate has a bit of an agenda. StuTheSheep 05:26, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - to nullify agenda-filled voter. --FCYTravis 06:39, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I'd like to point out that there seems to be a noticeable overlap between the contributions(which all seem to be votes for deletion) of User:70.19.111.5 and User:Bloghate. Not sure where to report this, but it should be addressed. As to the issue at hand, Anil is one of the leading contributors to current online technologies as Vice President of notable software company Six Apart. Keep and Delist--ElfWord 07:30, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Noteworthy person. Mgm|(talk) 09:51, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - not because she blogs, but because she's vice-pres of a major company. Radiant_ >|< 10:53, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Side note: Anil is male. --4.38.40.52 00:02, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable. DS1953 14:04, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete: Regardless of the motives of the VfD nominator, I think this particular person is not an encyclopedic topic at this time. There are more vice presidents than sands on the beach.  We need, IMO, something unique and notable. Geogre 16:46, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * LiveJournal has more registered users then Denmark, Finland, Ireland, Israel, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden or Switzerland have citizens. That's not notable? -153.18.146.28 18:31, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Wikipedia is not paper.Bbpen 20:20, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Anil was one of the notable personalities and business people of the personal online publishing revolution of the early 2000s. Something profound is happening to the way people express themselves and use the media, and Anil, he is at the center of that. JustinHall 22:15, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Prominent person in online circles.Capitalistroadster 23:59, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. If blogs are important enough, Anil is important enough. Uttaddmb 00:25, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. See above.   —  Adam Conover † 01:36, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Just started reading RSS and bloggers - given the history on this page and his role as a seminal player in this new arena, he deserves the mention. User:BobNovak2154 10:10 Jun 14, 2005 EST
 * Keep. I don't think anything should ever be deleted from Wikipedia. As long as the information is correct, it should stay no matter how trivial it is. Slightlymanic Stephen Collins

Keep!
 * Keep! Anil is notable, interesting, and wikiworthy. User:Betsythedevine
 * Delete as per George. JamesBurns 05:40, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep! Anil is an important figure at one of the leading blogging technology companies, responsible for LiveJournal, Movable Type and TypePad. User:ianbetteridge
 * Keep! Anyone who can get a goatse.cx t-shirt into the new york times deserves canonization, let alone 1.5K of markup on wikipedia.

(Minor) Delete!!!
 * Delete I really dont think he is that important a person who needs a mention on wikipedia.As has been already said there are lots of VPs and good number of them have done wonders, livejournal having a more users that citizens in some countries isn't really a good reason to add livejournal's vp to wikipedia.Also a good deal of whatever he writes isn't useful to common public anyway. by Badrinath.V.S

 * Strong keep. Anil was one of the early webloggers and that he continues to this day is amazing, and he's still one of the most high-profile ones. This, more than his position within a company, should certainly net him a place on Wikipedia if it's true that 270 other webloggers are listed. (On a side note, this concept of condemning anything containing the four letters "blog" in combination is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. What if someone registered "Gamehate" and went on to kill all pages with one-off Mario RPG characters?) Wootest 08:42, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep No one accomplishment may warrant his inclusion but the sum of them make him a noteworthy and recognizable figure on the Internet landscape. The page is NPOV and I doubt it is an attempt to push publicity like an artist or somesuch. --michaelfavia 16:13, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep I'm disturbed by [User:Bloghate]'s attempt to delete pages of well-known and influential people in the context of an important emerging technology. Should we delete Jimbo Wales' page because he's "only" the creator of wikipedia? SixApart is a significant company in the context of computing today, and Anil has been an influential voice in the development of weblogs. Mamamusings 19:08, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep Just because there are "lots of VPs" doesn't mean that Anil's work isn't worthy. If the only reason he was listed was because "he's a VP", then there's scant _information_ that adds to the body of knowledge of the Wikipedia. He's listed because he's "done something" and has been part of the formation of a new body of work, a new mechanism for communication and a new style for communication; and that would seem to be sufficient. On a side note, look at how many people have opinions on him. This doesn't suggest to me that he's a non-entity.

 * Delete (minor) if "Dash is known for his love of all things Prince, and his encyclopedic knowledge of music breaks" is what passes for wikiworthiness these days, then fine, keep it. Or mebbe he needs to come in here and blow loud and hard his own horn.  He's a likeable, intelligent person but *on his own* hasn't really "done anything" noteworthy that future generations really oughta know about. I mean, there's still Google (and his own blog).  You can still find him if you want to.
 * The rest of this article is fine with me, and I do agree that that one sentence does not make him "wikiworthy". But one bad sentence is a reason to re-edit the article, not delete it entirely! Wootest 10:36, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep. Certainly notable in the field of social software. I'll admit that some of the current content is subtrivial, and it doesn't help to have supporters here who don't know his gender (are they confusing him with Mena Trott?). And I'll grant that this field is often easier for us to cover; however, the fact that we should have articles on comparable people in other fields, but don't, is not a valid argument for getting rid of this one. --Michael Snow 05:41, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Keep - I've heard of him, I could tell you various things about him, and I've never once visited or read his blog. Clearly notable. --John Kenneth Fisher 22:12, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. It's a pure vanity page and not relevant in encyclopaedic terms.  By all means have an entry for Movable Type or LiveJournal as landmarks of the Internet, but personalities should stay out.  Either that or let everyone have their own vanity page, as everyone contributes to life in their own way! -- Gashdot 10:55, 16 Jun 2005 [UTC]
 * keep please but take out the love of music parts Yuckfoo 18:07, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keepand Comment. Atleast Anil Dash finds this somewhat amusing.  :)--Kross 18:50, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep To my view part of the purpose and value of wikipedia above and beyond traditional encyclopedias is that it documents and explains emerging and obscure trends in culture and media, and provides a fairly authoritative source to point people to where there often isn't otherwise one. Blogging fits that bill, and Anil is certainly a prominent enough blogger to make the cut.jddunn
 * Keep. Krypton is doomed. EurekaLott 22:49, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Obvious Keep - One wonders how many notable accomplishments those voting to delete have accrued?  [[User:fabartus || TalktoMe]] 06:29, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Well-known blogger. This is a disruptive VfD nomination. Rhobite 02:24, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

 * This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages.  Please do not edit this page .


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Special Operations Command

Special Operations Command may refer to any of these military or police organizations:

 * Special Operations Command (Australia)
 * Special Operations Command (Brazil)
 * Special Operations Command (Canada), see Canadian Special Operations Forces Command
 * Special Operations Command (Colombia), see Colombian National Police Special Operations Command
 * Special Operations Command (Denmark)
 * Special Operations Command (Germany), see Kommando Spezialkräfte
 * Special Operations Command (France), see Commandement des Opérations Spéciales of the French Armed Forces
 * Special Operations Command (Greece), see 13th Special Operations Command of the Hellenic Army
 * Special Operations Command (Indonesia), also known as Komando Operasi Khusus Tentara Nasional Indonesia.
 * Special Operations Command (Maldives)
 * Special Operations Command (Malaysia)
 * Special Operations Component Command (New Zealand)
 * Special Operations Command (Philippines)
 * Special Operations Command (Singapore)
 * Special Operations Command (Spain)
 * United States Special Operations Command
 * United States Army Special Operations Command
 * United States Air Force Special Operations Command
 * United States Naval Special Warfare Command
 * United States Marine Corps Forces Special Operations Command
 * Joint Special Operations Command

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User:Jimbreen

G'day. This is Jim. I see there is a miniature Jim Breen wiki entry, but in summary I am an honorary senior research fellow (i.e. retired professor) at Monash University in Australia. My main interests are Japanese lexicography and related aspects of computational linguistics. If you really want to find out about me, see my home page.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sharon Kelley

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was DELETE. Golbez 01:06, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

Sharon Kelley
Looks like vanity. I get no relevant Google hits. I only noticed this article after processing Votes for deletion/Douglas Darkwater because that vanity article on Darkwater linked to this one on Kelley. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 03:51, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete There's no room for bloggers in Wikipedia. --Bloghate 05:09, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * She's not a blogger, and you're a bit obsessed. StuTheSheep 05:29, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete: Amateur artist, I gather, with online representation, but no shows now. Geogre 14:56, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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Copyvio
The possible copyright infringement is from (quotation):

"from an article by Mr. James Garretson, former chairman of the CHS Social Studies Department which appeared in HiLite April 25, 1999"

Schooling
Carmel High School is the most common high school. Mascot- Greyhounds

Middle schools (6-8) that feed into CHS are: Carmel, Clay, and Creekside.

Elementary schools are: Carmel, Cherry Tree, College Wood, Forest Dale, Mohawk Trails, Orchard Park, Prarie Trace, Smoky Row, Towne Meadow, West Clay, and Woodbrook.

Roundabouts
Roundabouts surround lots of Carmel. Over the past few years, many roundabouts have been replacing four-ways stops.

Yeah, Ever since the construction of Hazel Dell Parkway on the East Side (of Carmel), roundabouts have been implemented throughout the city, err, community. For instance, Spring Mill Road (West Side) has only 1 stop sign and 6 (I think) roundabouts through it's entire route in Carmel. I actually believe the number now to be over 23. Still, they're very controversial, as I found out after writing my Senior Thesis on Roundabouts. --The_Source 16:11, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Average home price
Can some one please cite the reference that puts the average value of a house at $750,000 before stating it as fact? That seems far too high considering the per capita is $35k. K_Watson1984

Will be contacting several real estate agents and city offices on 04/03/07 to obtain the offical 2005 average house price. Until then please do not include the disputed value. K_Watson1984

Please make sure you are finding the average home price... I keep finding the median home price on the web, but not the average one. And the per capita does not affect the average home price in Carmel; if you take a look in real estate ads from the past few years, there's more than a handful that are pretty pricey. An example would be the former Conseco CEO's mansion, which is being sold at around a price of 20 million... Heyhey Hey 15:59, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Umm...Jermaine O'neal does NOT play for the pacers anymore... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.123.212.63 (talk) 22:19, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Fifth-largest city in Indiana
Carmel is the fifth-largest city in Indiana (see List of cities in Indiana) and the second largest municipality in the Indianapolis metropolitan area.--Kevjgav (talk) 19:36, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

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Infobox map
Since Carmel annexed Home Place in 2018, the map in the infobox needs to be updated. Indyguy (talk) 21:33, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Promotional content
User:76.248.240.121 has engaged in a content dispute with myself and User:Fettlemap about the removal of promotional content: Carmel has an educated and affluent population whose households have average median income levels of $109,201, and the median average price of a home is $320,400, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. It is cited as one of the Best Places to Live in America by Money magazine (No. 1 in 2012, No. 3 in 2018) and other surveys such as Wallet Hub, Niche, and SafeWise. The city has also been honored for being one of the safest in America, and best place to launch a career and to raise a family.

The city of Carmel has been recognized with numerous awards and ratings for its programs and services.
 * Listed as #1 best place in US to launch a career by Money Magazine in 2018
 * Listed as #1 best place to live by Niche in 2017 and 2018
 * Listed as #16 best place to live by Money Magazine in 2017
 * Listed as #3 best place to live by Money Magazine in 2014
 * Listed as #1 best place to live by CNN Money Magazine 2012
 * Arborculture’s highest award – the Gold Leaf Award in 2002
 * The 2006 City Livability Award to mayor Jim Brainard for roundabouts. The award recognizes mayors for implementing programs to improve the quality of life in their cities.

The text does not improve the article because it is biased and promotion, per WP:PROMO and WP:NPOV, and is not endorsed at WP:USCITIES. The input of others is welcome. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:13, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I think the first paragraph there is fine. I don't like it, but it's a common enough structure in US city articles. May need slight wordsmithing and ensure it's all referenced. The list of awards however should go, I don't believe its encyclopaedic. Canterbury Tail talk 19:43, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

The content which Magnolia677 seeks to remove is a statement of demographic data and a general description of Carmel. Magnolia677 disregards the instructions they themselves cite at WP:NPOVHOW. This editing is disruptive and consistent with a pattern of other edits that Magnolia677 has made for which they have received numerous warnings. User:Fettlemap is not involved in this dispute as their revert was based on procedure rather than content.

The WP:USCITIES guidelines furthermore state clearly that "Notable unusual characteristics and characteristics commonly associated with it" are to be included in the lead section of city articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.248.240.121 (talk) 18:35, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

 * I will concede that the content Magnolia seeks to remove includes demographic data, but not all of the content is that. Per the "Notable unusual characteristics" clause, The article should mention some of the awards, but I don't think a listing of all or even most of the awards is notable. I think Canterbury's proposal s the best way to go.
 * Something I am wondering is how exactly did Magnolia violate WP:NPOVHOW?
 * One more thing. Magnolila's edits to this page were made in good faith and were not disruptive. I know she has been warned on her talk page multiple times for disruptive editing, but that would only matter at a place like WP:ANI, where conduct disputes are settled. Magnolia started this talk age section after reverting you 1 time, which is the right thing to do, since it builds consensus instead of edit warring. You, on the other hand, almost violated WP:3RR. I would suggest you think twice before starting a conduct dispute with Magnolia. Caleb M1 (talk) 15:15, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

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Notable people
Mark Herrmann 1980 Heisman Trophy finalist, pro football player 2601:803:C502:D330:B034:DAAA:93B7:7622 (talk) 11:43, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

 * Done. Indyguy (talk) 15:06, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * You beat me to it. I found not the best source, but it's all I could find. I'll add it. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 15:08, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

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Ballot Act 1872

The Ballot Act 1872 (35 & 36 Vict. c. 33) was an act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom that introduced the requirement for parliamentary and local government elections in the United Kingdom to be held by secret ballot. The act abolished the traditional hustings system of nomination and election in Britain.

Background
Employers and landowners had been able to use their sway over employees and tenants to influence the vote, either by being present themselves or by sending representatives to check on the votes as they were being cast. Small retailers were also concerned not to upset their bigger customers by voting differently from them. Radicals, such as the Chartists, had long campaigned for the system to end by the introduction of a secret ballot.

The Representation of the People Act 1867, or Second Reform Act, enfranchised the skilled working class in borough constituencies, and it was felt that their economic circumstances would cause such voters to be particularly susceptible to bribery, intimidation or blackmail. The radical John Bright expressed concerns that tenants would face the threat of eviction if they voted against the wishes of their landlord. It fell to Edward Aldam Leatham, the husband of Bright's sister, to introduce the Ballot Act on leave.

Many in the Establishment had opposed the introduction of a secret ballot. They felt that pressure from patrons on tenants was legitimate and that a secret ballot was simply unmanly and cowardly. Lord Russell voiced his opposition to the creation of a culture of secrecy in elections, which he believed should be public affairs. He saw it as "an obvious prelude from household to universal suffrage".

Election spending at the time was unlimited, and many voters would take bribes from both sides. While the secret ballot might have had some effect in reducing corruption in British politics, the Corrupt and Illegal Practices Prevention Act 1883 formalised the position and is seen by many to have been the key legislation in the attempts to end electoral corruption.

The Ballot Act, in combination with the Municipal Elections Act 1875 and the Parliamentary Elections (Returning Officers) Act 1875, is considered to have ushered in today's electoral practices.

Effects
The secret ballot mandated by the Act was first used on 15 August 1872 to re-elect Hugh Childers as MP for Pontefract in a ministerial by-election, following his appointment as Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster. The original ballot box, sealed in wax with a liquorice stamp, is held at Pontefract museum. Of those who voted, 16%, were illiterate, and special arrangements had to be made to record their previously-open oral votes.

The first general election using a secret ballot was in 1874, which saw the first Conservative majority elected since 1841.

The Ballot Act 1872 was of particular importance in Ireland, as it enabled tenants to vote against the landlord class in parliamentary elections. The principal result of the Act was seen in the general election of 1880, which marked the end of a landlord interest in both Ireland and Great Britain.

Although the ballot in the UK is routinely characterized as "secret" the fact that ballot papers are numbered, and that the voter's electoral roll identifier is written on its identically numbered counterfoil by the officer issuing the ballot to the voter at the voting station, means that in principle the identity of a voter can be linked to the ballot they cast.

Abroad
The Act inspired Belgian minister Jules Malou to implement a similar system in Belgium, which he did with the act of 9 July 1877 (la loi du 9 juillet 1877 sur le secret du vote et les fraudes électorales). The elections of 1878 were a victory for the Liberal Party.

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Talk:Rumer Willis

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The bio-box seems to indicate she was born in Kentucky at age 18. A nice trick being born as a teenager. Paul, in Saudi 13:12, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating
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Graffiti
Someone graffiti-ed this page with "A Perez Hilton no le gusta." While it is fair to say that Perez Hilton does not appreciate Rumer (often referring to her as "shiteous") the entry was unencyclopedic and therefore removed. --MathewBrooks (talk) 13:40, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Notability
I saw previous edit about her noticeably over sized jaw. I feel that it is only fair that this be included in the article as that is what is she most famously known for, secondary to her lineage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.104.246.88 (talk) 11:53, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

 * Yes, got catch on the jaw. Some other info would also be nice, such as whether she has a boyfriend or some contact info.  She is not bad looking, though not a knock out like mom, but still OK to drag around with you.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.116.212.23 (talk) 18:54, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Relevance of step-parents
I wonder if it is really relevant to say "stepdaughter of Emma Heming & former stepdaughter of Ashton Kutcher". I think that estating who are the parents it's enough. Eosar (talk) 14:04, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

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Suggested edit
Given that none of the sources for this entry call Jade Jagger a "socialite", I think it should be removed. The discussion here explains the issue more broadly. I'd like to add that it is entirely possible to go out and dig up sources which call her a socialite, and I think it would be rather a bit WP:POINTy if someone were to do that for no good reason!

I would simply make the edit myself, but I have a COI here as Jade is a neighbor.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 13:20, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

 * Reading the sources, they do call her a "lifestyle icon". "boho lifestyle queen -- an image on which she's built not just a brand but an empire"; "'I think a lot of people look to me as a sort of lifestyle icon,' says Jade Jagger in the West End office where she is plotting what could be a very lucrative new commercial venture, 'Someone who has made their lifestyle as something that's important to them - the way I live, the way everything aesthetically is.'". Would that be a satisfactory substitute? --GRuban (talk) 13:57, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I think so, yes.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 13:39, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

 * ✅ Also it looks like she also designs homes, not just jewelry, so added a sentence on that. Have to say the article could use more work - surely designing one dagger-or-ice-pick didn't "revive her career" - but that will have to be done later. --GRuban (talk) 14:12, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

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User:Tompee

Greetings,

I am a minor contributor from Melbourne, Australia with an appreciation of clear and elegant English. To satisfy this lust, I will do little but fix typos and restructure the occasional sentence where I think there is the need. Hopefully when I have less commitments I will be able to contribute in other ways.

I am nearing completion of a Bachelor of IT at Griffith_University.

Interests at this moment include Ethics, and Atari_ST_demos, but could include anything by this afternoon :-)

One of the areas in which I believe wikipedia could find improvement is cultural bias. Eg "Crop X is grown in the Y region of Kansas and Florida, as well as Africa and Europe" Small towns (with populations of 1000 or less) in large, rich countries such as the USA and UK also seem to be documented in Wikipedia while much larger and more significant population centres in smaller countries are not. There is only one way to correct that I guess...

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Al-Muhajabah

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was no consensus. — Xezbeth 15:05, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

Al-Muhajabah

 * Delete Spam 70.19.111.5 03:58, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Userfy if possible then Delete seems like a vanity page (note the list of personal web pages). Sasquatch′↔Talk↔Contributions 04:24, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete There's no room for bloggers in Wikipedia. --Bloghate 05:09, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable. Alexa: 203,315. A и D я 01D  TALK  EMAIL  05:23, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Al-Muhajabah is part of an extremely influential software company, Six Apart, and her blog covers a unique niche. I'd also like to note that this nomination for deletion seems to be part of a campaign of such nominations by suspected double user User:70.19.111.5 and User:Bloghate. --ElfWord 07:38, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. VfD vandalism by IP address 70.19.111.5 who is working hand in glove with User:Bloghate.   —RaD Man (talk) 08:15, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete smells like vanity. JamesBurns 10:48, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete reads like vanity, Alexa score way too low. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd 10:52, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, notability not established (and please do not the remove VFD notice template). Radiant_ >|< 10:53, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep. Her website "veiled4allah" gets 52,000 hits on Google. She is definitely notable.  Also, though it may "read like vanity" to some (not to me), it was created by a frequent Wikipedia contributor, not someone who came on once or twice and just posted this article. DS1953 14:13, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Notability established. --Irishpunktom\talk 14:58, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep notable enough, and a unique perspective worthy of mention for the tiny cost of keeping this article. --Unfocused 15:25, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * DELETE WORTHLESS PRO-ISLAM BLOG STORM LEGION666 15:53, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia, STORM LEGION666. I've noticed that, with you're newly created user account, you've already managed to cast votes much like this one in seven vfd's (although you've done nothing else). -- BD2412 talk 16:25, 2005 Jun 14 (UTC)
 * I have reported this user for Vandalism in progress. Please remove this paragraph when problem solved. -Snorre/Antwelm 16:35, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Sock puppet user, likely (one can hope) will be blocked --LeFlyman 18:11, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep, there's plenty of room for bloggers in Wikipedia; this woman is certainly more likely to be looked up than, say, Robert Harkness is. Eliot 16:17, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * delete nonnotable person. mikka (t) 16:26, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete While I have no issue with notable/renowned blogs/bloggers being on Wikipedia (such as the Baghdad Blogger), this one just doesn't cut it. This is a promotional article, not encyclopedic.. --LeFlyman 18:11, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * keep please we have room for this one Yuckfoo 18:03, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete looks like non-notable.  Grue  17:17, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep --but make into a redirect with actual name of the woman for the bio.  [[User:fabartus || TalktoMe]] 06:25, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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List of Ohio Wesleyan University people

This is a table of notable people affiliated with Ohio Wesleyan University, including graduates, former students, and former professors. Some noted current faculty are also listed in the main University article. Individuals are sorted by category and alphabetized within each category.

Academics

 * Janet Frost, Class of 1971 – Professor emeritus in biology, microbiology, and chemistry at the Capital Community College
 * William Hsiao, Class of 1963 – Professor of Economics, Harvard University School of Public Health
 * Alexander Brown Mackie, 1916 – founder of Brown Mackie College
 * Judith McCulloh, B.A. – Folklorist, ethnomusicologist, and university press editor
 * Edward D. Miller, MD 1964 – Chief Executive Officer of Johns Hopkins Medicine, 1997–2012
 * Shriram Krishnamurthi, BS 1993 - Computer science professor, programmer, creator of various languages, Brown University
 * James B. Preston, M.D. - Professor and Chairman of the Department of Physiology at SUNY Upstate Medical University
 * Ram Samudrala, 1993, PhD – Professor and Chief, Division of Bioinformatics, Department of Biomedical Informatics, University at Buffalo
 * Robert M. Stein – Lena Gohlman Fox Professor of Political Science, Dean of Rice University School of Social Sciences, 1995–2006
 * Ezra Vogel, Class of 1950 – professor emeritus, Harvard University; author of Japan's New Middle Class (1963), Japan as Number One (1979), [he Four Little Dragons (1991) and Is Japan Still Number One? (2000)

Nobel Prize winners

 * Frank Sherwood Rowland, Class of 1948–1995 Chemistry Nobel

Science

 * Helen Blair Bartlett, class of 1927 - geologist and mineralogist
 * Hü King Eng, Class of 1888 - physician and second Chinese woman to attend university in the USA.
 * Hazel Marie Losh, class of 1920 – astronomer and first woman to be a tenured astronomy professor at the University of Michigan; well-known for her love of U-M sports
 * Gerald Gordon May, 1962 – psychiatrist and theologian
 * Ram Samudrala, Class of 1993 – pioneering researcher in protein and proteome structure, function, interaction, and evolution; recipient of 2010 NIH Director's Pioneer Award, 2005 NSF CAREER Award, and 2002 Searle Scholar Award; named to MIT Technology Review's 2003 list of Top Young Innovators in the World (TR100)

Education

 * Guy Potter Benton – president of Miami University, University of Vermont and University of the Philippines
 * Isaac Crook, Class of 1856 – president of Ohio University, Ohio, 1896–1898
 * George Richmond Grose – president of Depauw University, Indiana, 1912–1924
 * Edwin Holt Hughes – president of Depauw University, Indiana, 1903–1909
 * Francis John McConnell – president of Depauw University, Indiana, 1909–1912
 * Benjamin T. Spencer – author of The Quest for Nationality: An American Literary Campaign
 * Thomas R. Tritton – president of Haverford College, Pennsylvania, 1997–2007

Sports

 * John Barry Clemens – former professional basketball player; attended Ohio Wesleyan before being drafted by the NBA's New York Knicks in 1965; had 11-year career with five teams: the Knicks, the Chicago Bulls, the Seattle SuperSonics, the Cleveland Cavaliers, and the Portland Trail Blazers; retired in 1976 with career totals of 5,316 points and 2,526 rebounds
 * Tim Corbin, Class of 1984 – college baseball coach for Vanderbilt Commodores baseball, coached 2014 and 2019 NCAA Division I Baseball Championship teams; 3x SEC Coach of the year
 * Scott Googins, Class of 1992 – college baseball coach for Xavier
 * George Little, Class of 1912 – football coach for University of Cincinnati, Miami University, University of Michigan and University of Wisconsin–Madison; inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame in 1955
 * Branch Rickey, Class of 1904 – general manager of the Saint Louis Cardinals, Brooklyn Dodgers, and Pittsburgh Pirates; pioneered the farm system and racially integrated Major League Baseball by signing Jackie Robinson for the Dodgers
 * Keith Rucker, Class of 1993 – nose guard; five-plus seasons in the NFL; played for Cincinnati Bengals, Philadelphia Eagles, Washington Redskins, and Kansas City Chiefs
 * Phil "Lefty" Saylor, Class of 1890 – pitcher; first quarterback in OWU football history
 * Olin Smith – former professional football player; played in eight games in the early NFL; played for the Cleveland Bulldogs in 1924
 * Ed Westfall – former quarterback and running back in the NFL; played for the Boston Braves/Redskins and the Pittsburgh Pirates

Politics

 * Horace Newton Allen, Class of 1878 – diplomat
 * Kathryn Barger, Class of 1983 - Los Angeles County’s Fifth District Supervisor
 * William G. Batchelder, Class of 1966 – member of Ohio House of Representatives
 * Hiram Pitt Bennet – Congressional delegate from the Territory of Colorado; Colorado Secretary of State
 * Samuel G. Cosgrove – sixth Governor of the state of Washington
 * Charles Vernon Culver – U.S. Congressman from Pennsylvania
 * Samuel Hitt Elbert, Class of 1854 – sixth governor of the Territory of Colorado, 1873–1874
 * Jo Ann Emerson – US Representative, Missouri, 8th District
 * Charles Fairbanks, Class of 1872 – Vice President of the United States under Theodore Roosevelt
 * Arthur Flemming, Class of 1927 – former Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare; served under presidents Franklin Roosevelt through Ronald Reagan; served as president of University of Oregon, Ohio Wesleyan University, and Macalester College
 * Joseph B. Foraker – 37th Governor of Ohio; U.S. Senator
 * George Benson Fox, 1861; honorary degree 1909 - Ohio General Assembly, American Civil War officer
 * Paul Gillmor - U.S. Representative from Ohio, 5th District; President of the Ohio Senate
 * Nehemiah Green – 4th Governor of Kansas
 * John Marshall Hamilton – 18th Governor of Illinois
 * Lucy Webb Hayes, Class of 1850 – wife of Rutherford B. Hayes, U.S. President, 1877–1881
 * Myron T. Herrick – 42nd governor of Ohio
 * John W. Hoyt – third Governor of Wyoming Territory
 * John W. McCormick – U.S. Representative from Ohio
 * Masa Nakayama, Class of 1916 – first female cabinet minister in Japan
 * Rudolph Schlabach – Wisconsin lawyer and legislator
 * William E. Stanley – fifteenth Governor of Kansas
 * George Washington Steele – first Governor of Oklahoma Territory
 * Shirin Tahir-Kheli, Class of 1961 – Special Assistant to the President and National Security Council
 * Michael van der Veen, attorney for former President Donald Trump
 * James A. Boucher, US Representative representing Albany County, Wyoming.

Social activists

 * Mabel Cratty, Class of 1890 – leader of Young Women's Christian Association in its early days
 * Mary King, Class of 1962 – civil rights activist
 * Kim Ransa, Korean independence activist and feminist
 * Mildred Gillars, Class of 1918 and 1973. Broadcaster of Nazi propaganda under the name "Axis Sally" during World War II. Convicted of treason and incarcerated.

Literature

 * Eleanor Hoyt Brainerd – novelist and editor of the early 20th century
 * Mary Bigelow Ingham, writer, educator, social reformer
 * Robert E. Lee, Class of 1939 – playwright and lyricist
 * James Oberg, Class of 1966 – expert on space; author; TV personality
 * Richard North Patterson, Class of 1968 – author
 * Imad Rahman – Pakistani-American fiction writer, author of I Dream of Microwaves
 * Maggie Smith, Class of 1999 - poet, freelance writer, and editor, born in Columbus
 * Jane Speed, mystery writer and radio dramatist
 * May Alden Ward - Class of 1872 – author
 * Martha Wintermute (1842–1918) – author and poet

Arts and entertainment

 * Fred Baron, Class of 1976 – producer of Moulin Rouge; executive producer for the BBS According to Bex
 * Jim Berry, Class of 1955 – national newspaper cartoonist
 * Matt Furie, Class of 2001 - creator of Pepe the Frog
 * Jim Graner, attended 1937–39 – weeknight TV sports anchor for WKYC TV-3; radio color commentator for the Cleveland Browns
 * Clark Gregg,Class of 1984 – actor, director, screenwriter, The New Adventures of Old Christine,"Marvel's Agents of SHIELD"What Lies Beneath, The West Wing, The Avengers
 * George Kirgo, attended 1944–45 – screenwriter, author, humorist, former WGAW president (1987 -1991), and founding member of the National Film Preservation Board of the Library of Congress
 * Ron Leibman, Class of 1958 – Emmy and Tony-winning actor, Angels in America, Norma Rae, Slaughterhouse Five, Friends
 * Wendie Malick, Class of 1972 – film, TV actor, Just Shoot Me, Dream On, The American President, Hot in Cleveland
 * Robert Pine, Class of 1963 – TV, film actor, CHiPs, Murder, She Wrote, Hoover vs. the Kennedys, Six Feet Under; father of actor Chris Pine
 * Art Sansom, Class of 1942 – creator of the daily comic strip The Born Loser
 * Salman Toor, Class of 2006 - painter
 * Trish Van Devere – actress, Curacao, Messenger of Death, Hollywood Vice Squad, Haunted
 * Melvin Van Peebles, Class of 1953 – actor and director, Sweet Sweetback's Baadasssss Song (1971)
 * JoAnn Verburg, Class of 1972 – photographer

News

 * Mariana Gosnell, science journalist and book author
 * Byron Pitts, Class of 1982 – CBS News correspondent
 * Kenyon Farrow, Class of 1997 - Senior Editor at TheBody and TheBodyPro; healthcare journalist and equal rights activist

Religion/Ministry

 * Nathan Sites, graduated in 1859 - Methodist Episcopal missionary stationed at Fuzhou, China from 1861 to 1895.
 * Charles Wesley Brashares, 1914 – a bishop of the Methodist Church
 * Orville Nave – author of Nave's Topical Bible
 * Norman Vincent Peale, class of 1920 – author of The Power of Positive Thinking (which sold over 20 million copies in 41 languages); founder of Guideposts magazine; host of the weekly NBC radio program The Art of Living for 54 years; also wrote The Art of Living (1937), Confident Living (1948), and This Incredible Century (1991)
 * Ralph Washington Sockman – author; host of NBC's National Radio Pulpit, 1928–1962; minister of Christ Church, Methodist, New York City, 1916–1961

Corporate leaders

 * Daniel Glaser, Class of 1982 – CEO of Marsh & McLennan Companies
 * Ira A. Lipman, founder and chairman of Guardsmark, later vice chairman of AlliedBarton.
 * Orra E. Monnette, Class of 1897 – author; banker; co-founder and co-chairman of Bank of America, Los Angeles
 * James J. Nance, Class of 1923 – industrialist; CEO of Hotpoint, Zenith and Packard Motors; Vice President of Ford Motor Company's Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln Division; Chairman of Central National Bank of Cleveland; first Chairman of the board of trustees of Cleveland State University; member of the board of trustees of Ohio Wesleyan University
 * Frank Stanton, Class of 1930 – CEO of CBS, 1945–1973

title: List of Ohio Wesleyan University people