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User talk:Samuel Curtis

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Category:Aspergian Wikipedians
Category:Aspergian Wikipedians which you have included on your user page has been proposed for deletion you can comment at Categories for deletion. The is also a proposal to create an association to meet the needs of users with mental health conditions. --Salix alba (talk) 18:55, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Regarding spelling of "Mori" on Talk:Case Closed
"By WP:MOS-JP, both forms are incorrect; it should be Mōri. Samuel Curtis 07:13, 14 July 2006 (UTC)"

Not true - According to the MOS, "official naming" goes before the macronned form. VIZ Media romanizes her original name as "Ran Mori" WhisperToMe 18:40, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Case Closed RfC
It's getting dirty? Anyway, I won't mind an RFC on the naming convention, though I'm surprised one isn't there already. WhisperToMe 16:59, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

EDIT: Oh, the RFC is here User:Samuel Curtis/Case Closed RfC WhisperToMe 17:02, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

May I tweak the description of the RFC by adding: WhisperToMe 20:27, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The UK manga is published by Gollancz Manga
 * I know of no other English-language editions
 * The Latin American Spanish dub uses a new set of dub names, while the Spain dub and other known dubs use the Japanese names.

In my opinion, the first and the third point seemed redundent; the second can be added. You may add it now since appreantly no-one has commented on this RfC yet. Samuel Curtis 02:05, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I disambiguated the Soka universities
Please check my response to your discussion point on the Soka talk page, let me know if my changes work for you. I actually made the change and then read your comment suggesting approximately the same thing. --I think it works ;-) --Bobak 19:32, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Your edits to Risperidone were deleted
It appears your careful edits to Risperidone were completely deleted. on 2 November 2006 by User:195.93.21.70. I am hesitant to restore them, but I hope you can do so. JimmB 04:12, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It's okay, I changed the policy that is completely anti-anti-psychiatrist. Since the original edit was with a anti-psychiatrist intention, it'd be better deleted. -- Sa mue l C urt is -- TALK  04:26, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

 * HEY! You reverted my reversion of an apparent accidental deletion, leaving an incomplete sentence:
 * Risperidone is metabolised fairly quickly so this potential for
 * Someone else fixed it again.
 * Also, As a lay person, the SAFETY RISKS and WARNINGS sections (which were deleted) are valuable! I wish you would put them back in some form.   JimmB 19:00, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

You Deleted a Fact About Taco Bell!!
Hey You, i got this message from you "Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, as you did to Taco Bell, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. --Samuel Curtis-- TALK 16:54, 19 November 2006 (UTC)" wtf is wrong with you? i live in iceland, The first taco bell restaurant out side of the united states, canada and austrila will be opening here in the end of november.. stop being a bully!

Amy Yoshida/Yeager
"(cur) (last) 13:58, 19 November 2006 Samuel Curtis (Talk | contribs | block) m (moved Amy Yoshida to Amy Yeager: Name Harmonization; CC version to be used.)"

She is Amy Yoshida in the VIZ manga WhisperToMe 00:50, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

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Teitan/Titan High
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Case_Closed&curid=298049&diff=96895524&oldid=96691535

The school is "Teitan" in the VIZ stories. WhisperToMe 08:43, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

 * I have Viz's version too-- but in any rate U7's edit was redundent-- two Teitan Elementary School. Moreover, we don't know what is used more, Viz or FUNimation's names.

About the discussion
Hmm... I would wait to see if one side really wants a decision now- then try a WP:RM WhisperToMe 02:50, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, we can ask now to gauge to see if people want WP:RM. WhisperToMe 09:30, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Autoblock
i hope this is a private message to you mr. curtis if not i am sorry but you repremanded me for my supposed "vandalism" of your page when the truth is you really did make me cry and it has been evident that you dislike the band t-unit

Mr. Curtis, I really do know a juggler named Travis Bear who was forced to resign from Egghead after being falsly accussed of stealing money from the safe. Check out www.oddcouplecoins.com Herbert Feldman is my father
 * I accept your explanation, but please include your context when you answer your talk. I haven't heard of who is Herbert Feldman or who is Travis Bear. --Samuel CurtisShinichian-Hirokian-- TALK · CONTRIBS 17:10, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Random Smiley
Jerry lavoie 05:54, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Comments
I just added comments to you on Talk:Case_Closed. I hear Funazaki himself doesn't want to damage the kids' idol, that's why he didn't bring this issue to the court. So I didn't intend to oppose you, but apparently you went too far this time. --1523 11:37, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

hey
Hey,

sorry for the Kaka-"Vandlism" i just know the people who added stupid comments tehre and tried to delete those. Didnt mean to vandalise the page.

Greetings :)

WHAT???
What are you talking about sr? I have NEVER vandalize anything on wikipedia! Please trust me I havent even considered it! Please do blame me for THIS! I take that to be offensive! No never ever have I done that i am not stupit! O please tell me what I did please! --Lolicon(Anti Child Porn)Saikano 18:18, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Removal of your own signature at WP TALK:ANIME is not justified, do you know that? It implied that you want to hide your identity. --Samuel CurtisShinichian-Hirokian-- TALK · CONTRIBS 18:30, 26 February 2007 (UTC) if i did remove my id i did it by mistake. i did not mean for it to get to this point forgive me!--Lolicon(Anti Child Porn)Saikano 18:52, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Help in Japanese readings
The case here is I am confronted with a controversial content addition, in which the editor who added it said it can fulfill WP:V requirements by merit of Japanese material. However, I don't know Japanese, and I can't verify its veracity, and no-one from the article's discussion offered help. What should I do? --Samuel CurtisShinichian-Hirokian-- TALK · CONTRIBS 14:23, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Samuel, if the article is on a Japanese topic, is there a previous contributor to the article that might be able to help? If not you could try users in Category:User ja (specifically the more advanced ones), users at Translators available or possibly someone from WikiProject Japan. Hope that helps, mattbr30 15:31, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Blogging and canvassing concerns
--Samuel CurtisShinichian-Hirokian-- TALK · CONTRIBS 12:52, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

 * I can see this is obviously upseting you, even though I'm not an administrator I've left some adivce there and hopefuly this helps]] but if it does not I'm sure a sysop would be able to help too. Happy editing!  Telly addict  16:28, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, do you think you could find another user who he has insulted or made attacks against in other languages, if you could find the diffs and get a translation then if it turns out to be another insult against another user please leave me a message and then if then we could consider taking this to the Mediation Committee because at this stage, I do not think Arbitration is necessary but I do think the mediation committe would be the answer? Any thoughts and or comments?  Telly addict  15:40, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The other user insulted has been on that ANI thread now. --Samuel CurtisShinichian-Hirokian-- TALK · CONTRIBS 16:02, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Mhhh, I tell you what, maybe Mediatation is not the best answer (at the moment), I'll leave a formal warning using this template attack and an explanation before, if this user makes any other personal attacks or anytyhing dis-regarding policy please instantly leave me a comment and we'll take it from there....Regards -  Telly addict  16:28, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, I've left a level one warning attack warning on his talk page because you are not really meant to skip warnings, again I hope this helps and follow up if problems continue. Telly addict  16:48, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

history merge
If you are so intent on applying the on Shaykh Abdalqadir as-Sufi, at least apply it to the right page. The page that currently is a redirect (Abdalqadir as-Sufi al-Murabit) is the correct title, not where it is currently located. Your application of the template is therefore confusing and should be avoided. But I'll just wash my hands in innocence (seems appropriate for this time of year). Er rab ee 22:23, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Episodes List Notability
I'm afraid I don't understand - do you want me to just improve the List of Case Closed Episodes and leave it like that (and not do anything to the individual episodes pages) or do you want to delete them all together? --<-Winged-> 17:39, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Citation help
The article I am currently editing have a source that came from the government register from a defunct country. What should the citation style be? I've read WP:CITE but found no guidance.

 * Hi there. Can you be a little more specific? --KFP (talk | contribs) 18:56, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

 * No need to worry - just insert it however you think. If it's wrong, someone will fix it at some point. However, one of the citation templates may be what you're looking for? --h2g2bob (talk) 00:33, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Case Closed Clean Up
Just to make sure you know, I'm going through the articles just to delete trivia and the like right now. When I think about integrating the remaining trivia into the articles in one swoop, my head starts spinning. O.o Jezebel Parks 12:35, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

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Environmental Report
That survey did mention about Yum! Brands, but only KFC and Taco Bell participated in the survey. Pizza Hut is a sister company of Yum, but did not participate in the survey so I didn't add the report in the Pizza Hut article. OhanaUnited   Talk page   11:36, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Lucky/Save Mart/Albertsons/Supervalu
You make a good point. The last I herd Supervalu had won an temporary restraining order against Grocery Outlet, though technically the two companies are still in court.

While for now the store in not a Lucky (from the information I found so far - which is about a year old) I will try and find evidence of that, though that has been hard since there has been little to no press about it in almost a year.

MortalConviction 20:51, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
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Manchukuo
Although I support your position in the article, I have to notify you have definitively violated WP:3RR in the process. Of course, is User:Flying tiger is found to be stubborn about his position, and no-one supports his position, then... -- Samuel di  Curtisi  di  Salvadori  18:05, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Please demand to participate in the discussion from Flying tiger. I can point out the mistake of his source. --Azukimonaka 18:08, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

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Case Closed template
Good work on that new template you made! FamicomJL 16:34, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

George Foreman Grill
The George Foreman Grill popular culture list is longer then the article about the product itself. the "in popular culture" section of the list just encourages people to contribute bulleted tangential entries that do not contribute to a better understanding about the main article. If anything, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=george+foreman+grill+site%3Alivejournal.com says more about the grill in popular culture then a list cartoons, movies and comics that mention the grill. See the discusson in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.138.143.4 (talk) 20:54, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Templates to Transwiki
Scrolling through a whatlinkshere for a template, I came across your subpage User:Samuel Curtis/List of Templates to Transwiki. It's funny that you have those listed, as I've recently had to transwiki (and slightly adapt) many of those same templates on Digimon Wiki. If you're having any problems with the templates not working on another wiki, it could be due to templates that mix wikitable code with html table code. I'm also thinking of making a page that will list commonly used templates that other wikis might want to take from; a sort of template toolbox for those just starting up. If you have any ideas about such things, I'd love to hear them :D -- Ned Scott
 * aaah, we've already talked about this! haha. I was thrown because your sig looks different from your raw username. Well, in any case, if you still need any help feel free to ask me, or to share any tips you've learned. -- Ned Scott 05:29, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

National Anthem of Manchukuo
Thank you for the clarification! --MChew (talk) 02:35, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Develop the page of Havana-Club
Hi,

I have tried to ask on the discussion page of Havana-Club if there was a way to develop the content according to its new website www.havana-club.com : "Hi, I am working for Havana-Club and I would like to know if it is possible to develop this section. Havana has built a website www.havana-club.com discussing on cocktails, rum making process... Is that possible to create some article in this page telling for exemple that Havana recommand / suggest to make Mojito or Daiquiri cocktail in a special way (explain what ingredients to use...), that havana make its rum with in particulalry way...?"

Do you think it is possible to make some change or it is impossible?

Thank you in advance.Amagon Rosh —Preceding comment was added at 14:32, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Case Closed Movie # 2
Hi there I was just wondering if you would be interested in helping me improve the Case Closed: The Fourteenth Target article ,sense you seem to be familur with case closed. I saw this movie so I am going to try and help out as much as I can, but any help from other people would be great. Just compare this artcile to the older movie The Time-Bombed Skyscraper. That one has far more info and is better then this artcile. I'd like and try to make the 2nd movie, as good as the first one. - Prede (talk) 02:23, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah that's perfeclty all right. If you ever find yourself with some time off,nothing to do, or your semester ends and you want to still help, your welcome to. Thanks anyway - Prede (talk) 03:57, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Detective Conan/ Case Closed Wiki
Yes I would defently be interested in joining that wiki. However I am unsure how much time I can commit to that, sense randomly I become very busy with real life stuff and other things. But I would enjoy joining your wiki, and helping as much as I can. Thanks for the invite, get back to me. - Prede (talk) 22:46, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok thank you very much. I'll go there in a little bit, once I get some time. Hope I can help ^.^ . - Prede (talk) 23:47, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * By "KB" you mean you brought List of Hiroshi Agasa's Inventions to the Case Closed/ detective Conan wiki? If so that's great. Sorry I haven't been there too much, been busy lately. Planning on helping out there A LOT real soon.- Prede (talk) 22:18, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah I just relized KB=Kudo's Bookshelf the Case closed/Detective Conan Wiki. I didn't relize that at first. Thanks so much for uploading that list of inventions to the CC/DC wiki. If it gets deleted here (I would rather hope not) then at least we have a copy there. Also I can upload the pictures there if you want, when I get some free time. But for now, I must be going. - Prede (talk) 22:29, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of List of Hiroshi Agasa's inventions
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Leads
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TfD nomination of Template:Case Closed cite
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Re: Lucky Star characters
No, it was my mistake. I made the first part visible to see how long it was in relation to your shortened version in the preview, and simply forgot to re-hide it. I am not ready to comment on your edit though, yet, as right now I'm trying to figure out how much to remove from List of Kashimashi: Girl Meets Girl characters, so I don't really have an opinion on what is too crufty and what is not.--  十  八  06:31, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Case Closed Name Cleanups
Hi, since I'm assuming your doing the main works for case closed, I'm wondering if the boxes for the names should be removed and have the names put in the intro paragraphs of characters with their own page.DragonZero (talk) 23:00, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

 * I don't think I deleted anything important. For the info boxes there could be a sentence added at the end like "X was named X and Y for English" or something.DragonZero (talk) 04:26, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Hello, just here to give a heads up. I'll be merging the Conan and Jimmy separations together and creating a page for the Junior Detective league with their articles on there. I might do the same for the Kudo family and Moore.DragonZero (talk) 21:46, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I would like to suggest Anita Hailey page be moved to Shiho Miyano because that is her real name and she is using Anita as a cover.DragonZero (talk) 07:24, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

 * I removed the box for Gin.DragonZero (talk) 23:43, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I'm hoping you could find a way to boast the article List of Case Closed episodes (season 1) to a B rank somehow. I'm out of ideals on what to do for it. DragonZero (talk) 22:52, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: List of Lucky Star characters
First of all, a heavily reffed character article I believe is better than one that is not. Especially since most of the info that often appears in character articles is cruft, and can be removed. We're not trying to inform people what Konata ate in episode 17, and why it was significant because it was only shown once, or which outfit Kagami may have worn in manga chapter 34 because it was notably more stylish than her normal clothes (I just made both of these up). So, just focus on what is essential for a character. On the second point, it's not hard to write notable differences between the anime and manga, like differences that may cause confusion if someone is unsure whether you're talking about the anime or manga. Meaning we don't have to cite differences in hair accessories that Kagami wears between the anime and manga, but differences that reflect base differences between the personality of a character between media may be fitting to include, such as if a character from the manga showed to be more developed in later manga chapters that were not shown in the anime, or a character that appeared underdeveloped in the anime because the animators didn't have enough time to fully develop their characters for any number of reasons. Taking into account the featured anime/manga character lists, and asking those who worked on such lists, would also be recommended.--  十  八  06:27, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

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Your comments at the Notability (fiction) RFC
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Hi
Good to see your back. There hasn't been projects to Case Closed as far as I know but there was two failed Featured List nomination, Haha. I'm hoping you could get this article to featured list, List of Case Closed episodes (season 1). Thanks! DragonZero (talk) 04:55, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

 * Thank you, my grammar was one of the problems. The main concert is the references which I deem quite impossible unless there are archives of Adult Swim air dates. DragonZero (talk) 02:52, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

My bad, I only watch the Japanese episodes.DragonZero (talk) 18:48, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

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Havana Club (Bacardi)
Hi Samuel! As I can see, you started this article 2 years ago. Could you tell me the source of this sentence, please: After more than 10 years of legal struggles between the parties, on August 8, 2006, 5 days after the Cuban version of the trade mark was denied renewal (in the United States), Bacardi released their own version of Havana Club (produced in Puerto Rico). Thanks from Germany, --Knut.C (talk) 16:49, 14 August 2009 (UTC) Thanks a lot. --Knut.C (talk) 18:20, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm full aware of the case. Basically I just wanted to know, if you still have the source of the date as Bacardi released his HC. I'm currently working on the German article. If you want to further improve the English article, you will find a lot of useful sources there, most are in English. --Knut.C (talk) 22:45, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:Baccarat

Opening comments
This article is unclear on how the house/croupier makes money; what is the house cut? It is also unclear on whether or not the money in the bank is withdrawn by the banker when he "retires" or whether it is passed to the next banker. These rules need an overall, high-order "summary" before the start, as in "the object of the game is to get... and the structure of the game is...". Thanks in advance!

I re-wrote the opening two sections as it was unclear. I hope it makes a little more sense now.

Punters?
The use of the term 'punter' in the context of this game is highly inappropriate.

And why is that? It is a term commonly used for a player in a casino and it is at least kinder than saying "sucker." 67.130.101.194 (talk) 15:54, 12 December 2008 (UTC) Will in New Haven 67.130.101.194 (talk) 15:54, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Baccarat Cards
I was allways under the impression that baccarat cards were numberless and had a more "classy" look to them than regular playing cards.
 * Oh really? LOL.

Is there any information regarding classic baccarat cards versus what is probably more of a "use whatever deck you can get your hands on" scenario?
 * In North America, there are no special baccarat cards that I've ever seen. Must be a European thing. Realkyhick 08:47, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Some Las Vegas casinos do have special Baccarat cards, but the only thing "special" about them is normally that the word "Baccarat" appears under the casino's name and logo on the cardbacks. Sometimes Baccarat cards are laminated paper while all other cards at a casino are plastic; this is to accommodate the predilection of Baccarat players for bending and tearing the cards.  Heather (talk) 16:39, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Copyright infringement
The rules to Chemin are taken from http://www.hotlib.com/articles/show.php?t=Baccarat_Chemin_De_Fer_-_Rules_Of_The_Game

They are also make no sense! Damiancorrigan 13:29, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
 * They are also make no sense??!??
 * I've removed it. It wasn't very good anyway, someone who understands the game and can write properly should write something in.Damiancorrigan 10:51, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

What more of a reference do you want? Article is by J Finney, a well known casino writer.Damiancorrigan 21:14, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * This article predates what you cite by several years. Please look at the history of the page before removing large sections of articles that are sourced, in this case apparently taken from a 1911 Britannica article. 2005 22:31, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Glad you finally found the Talk page. The text is widely referenced as being by Finney, I can't tell how to work out when exactly the other page was made. But what I CAN say, is that it is the worst piece of writing I have ever seen, and is in dire need of a clean up. Damiancorrigan 22:48, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Go to the top of the article page (not this discussion page), click the history link, scroll down to the first page creation, you would find this page http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Baccarat&oldid=34699 which shows the text was inserted then and taken from that 1911 source referenced in various articles. Whether it is coherent or not and needs cleanup is of course a different isssue. :) In the future if you add a "see discussion" comment to your edit summary that would be helpful if you explain the edit in discussion rather than the edit summary. 2005 22:56, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * But that isn't the same text as in the article today! Have you actually read what you are refering to?

1911: "The banker places before him the sum he wishes to stake and the punters do likewise, unless a punter desires to go bank, signifying his intention by saying, Banco" Today's version: "The dealer places before him the amount he is disposed to risk, and the players "make their stakes." Any punter, beginning with the player on the immediate right of the dealer, is entitled to say "Banco", meaning to "go bank," to play against the whole of the banker's stake." http://www.hotlib.com/articles/show.php?t=Baccarat_Chemin_De_Fer_-_Rules_Of_The_Game: "The dealer places before him the amount he is disposed to risk and the players "make their stakes." Any punter, beginning with the player on the immediate right of the dealer, is entitled to say "Banco", meaning to "go bank," to play against the whole of the banker's stake."

NOW do you see? Damiancorrigan 23:12, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

The offending text was inserted here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Baccarat&direction=next&oldid=233090 As you can see, this bears no resemblance to the previous edit, and is NOT from 1911. Damiancorrigan 23:23, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * The article was originally created using an old text. Another editor inserted the text you don't like four years ago. I'm not sure what isn't clear to you. The hotlib.com website was not even registerd to July 2002. While User:Imran's addition may have been copied from somewhere or not, there is no reason to assume the person you referenced who rewrites wikipedia articles on various sites is the original author, particularly since nearly four years has passed now. 2005 00:36, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Either way it would probably be re-written. The old english style text does not read well by todays standards of writing. And even if it isn't copyright it is plagarism.155.144.251.120 21:21, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Baccarat Deck
Would Baccarat be a better game or a worse game if the 10's, J's, Q's & K's were removed from the deck? Jillbones 21:18, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The game would be better. In a 6 deck game there would actally be an edge to anyone who bet on Banker of about 0.1% to 0.2%. This is because the banker is more selective on when he draws a card than the player.--155.144.251.120 21:37, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It would be a different game.

Rituals
I would love to see a discritpion of the various rituals players use when playing NA baccarat. for example, it is very common for high-rolling aisan players to go through a absurd ritual of bending up the corner or side of the cards in order to "peek" at what they may be, using sheer will to change the value of the card as it lies face down.
 * Discription?

This is often referred to as card squeezing. The croupier will offer a participant in the game (usually the highest staking for the Banker or Player bet) the option of squeezing the cards dealt to the hand he/she has bet on. It's a slow reveal whereby adjacent sides are bent up so that only the suit symbols on those sides are revealed but not the suit symbols in the center of the card (or the card number of course). As an example, two suits across the top and three down the side could be either a 6, 7, or 8 card depending on whether there are 0, 1 or 2 suit symbols respectively in the middle of the card. This process will usually be repeated to the 2 initially dealt cards, as well as the third card if required. The 'squeezer' will then try and apply other techniques (based purely on superstition and belief, not physics!) to influence the value of the card before it is flipped and its value revealed. Returning to the case of the card that is either a 6, 7, or 8, if a 6 is needed for a win, blowing on the card is said to blow away any suit symbols that may exist in the center of the card thereby helping to produce a win. I wrote an article on this at http://www.livedealer.org/blog/2012/04/the-baccarat-card-sqsueeze-ritua/.

Another example is the use of score cards to track previous hands. Players then use these cards to 'predict' whether the player or banker will win the next hand (conditional probability).

I think what you are referring to here are the baccarat road maps, or tracing indicators known individually as Bead Road, Big Road, Big Eye Road, Small Road and the Cockroach Road. They are simply different graphical depictions of the deal history, much like a roulette outcome history panel (although more complicated to construct). Some players use them as a means of predicting future hand outcomes although whether they are really helpful in this regard is debatable. A detailed guide on what the various road maps depict and how they are each constructed can be found at http://www.livedealer.org/blog/2010/09/the-baccarat-roadmap-manual/.

 * Sounds very US TPT.

When I play, I like to piss them all off by simply flipping a coin: Heads I bet on Player, Tails I bet on Banker. ckindel 07:02, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I doubt they are 'pissed off' as you express it. They're probably just regarding your less than sophisticated demeanour.
 * I think this 'like to piss them off' person does not belong in this discussion.

You are right - BUT : You must take into concideration of the probability of the coincidence of two random /parallel/ eventsTamaslevy 01:30, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Another TPT here. This is not good.

What does the word "Baccarat" actually mean?
This is not explained in the article. 81.158.0.23 15:52, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

It is the name of a card game. However, perhaps you mean "what is the origin of the word". The word entered French from Provençal in the fifteenth century. The Provençal spelling was "baccara": there is no evident justification for the French addition of a silent t. The word cannot be traced further back with any certainty, but it and the game are thought to have originated in medieval Italy, and it is suggested that at the time the word "baccara" was in use to mean zero: hence the use of the word to designate a hand worth zero in the game. 217.158.132.22 09:07, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I can find no evidence that 'baccara' has ever meant zero in any Italian dialect. I have only seen this asserted by people who wish to believe that the card game Baccarat is of medieval origin. But so far as I know there is no contemporary reference to any card game called Baccarat before the 19th century. This despite the fact that we have wriiten records from from both France and Italy going back to the 17th century and earlier, including descriptions of gambling games, pieces of gambling legislation referring to banned and permitted games and casino records. Pagat1703 (talk) 12:59, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
 * According to Scarne, the game was imported to France from the Italian game Baccara in 1490. But, I don't know of any source for "zero". Objective3000 (talk) 17:10, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
 * But Scarne is wrong. There is no real evidence that any game called Baccara existed in Italy in 1490 or any time before the 19th century. Several 20th century writers have claimed a 15th or 16th century origin for Baccara, but without any justification apart from the assertions of other recent writers. If you can find any authentic 18th century or earlier document that mentions Baccara as a card game I will be happy to be proved wrong. Pagat1703 (talk) 14:35, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The OED says the word is adopted from French and gives the oldest English ref at 1866. Which really doesn't really tell us if it originated in France or Italy. I'll ask a French expert if he has any info on the etymology. Objective3000 (talk) 15:21, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

 * Some additional stuff: . Nothing definitive. Objective3000 (talk) 15:48, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

 * A friend responds: "Every one of a considerable number of dictionaries and encyclopedias that I have, including the Grand Larousse Encyclopedique, say 'unknown origin.' But they do seem to indicate that the game was imported to France from Italy." This is WP:OR, but lends credence to Scarne. Objective3000 (talk) 17:06, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

 * I looked further. The source for Baccara originating in Italy appears to be Firmin Didot’s Dictionnaire de la Conversation et de la lecture, written in the 19th Century. Baccara means little pitcher in a Sicilian dialect. I'll provide the source when I get some time. Objective3000 (talk) 18:49, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

 * Thierry Depaulis (card game historian) told me a few years ago (private communication) that 'baccara' was a Provençal word meaning 'bankrupt'. That is the only plausible etymology that I have come across. I will ask him if he has any further relevant discoveries or evidence. Pagat1703 (talk) 09:07, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I found a couple sources on the history and updated the article. The English source discusses the word at length. The word had several meanings, who knows which if any were a part of the etymology. Objective3000 (talk) 12:10, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately your sources are unreliable and out of date. There are absolutely no sources for card games utilizing modular arithmetic in the West before the appearance of Macao around 1800. On the other hand, card games similar to baccarat were described in China from the early 17th century and were well known in Korea and Japan during the 18th century. There is also one Indian game similar to the East Asian games but that has only been recorded recently. Scarne is extremely unreliable as he is not an actual scholar on the history of card games. For example, he received criticism from Michael Dummett over his handling of the history of poker which was basically sloppy plagiarism of Robert Frederick Foster's research. David Parlett believes baccarat originated from Macao but Macao's true origins are a mystery. The name suggests a Sino-Portuguese heritage but it may be Hungarian as claimed by the Meyers Konversations-Lexikon.--Countakeshi (talk) 10:01, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I realize Scarne was careless. But, I took the earlier sources to WP:RSN before using them here. Objective3000 (talk) 10:42, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
 * From the snippet in Google Books, the first source, The Academy (periodical), only proves the word exists not the card game (I would like to see more of this source). The second source is a tertiary source which doesn't cite its own sources. If baccarat, the card game, existed since the Renaissance, then there should be mention of it in legislation, game books, and diaries before the 19th century. I can provide secondary sources for Macao and the Asian games which should take precedence over tertiary sources.--Countakeshi (talk) 11:17, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
 * The first source specifically calls it a game. The second source is a dictionary, and calls it a card game. Both refer to the origin in the 15th Century. I’m not aware of European legislation about games in the 15th Century. Objective3000 (talk) 16:31, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
 * The first source calls it a game but the author's sources are dictionaries that don't mention a game as far as I can see. The author simply looked for similar looking words which turn out to be outside the context of card games. The second source is a dictionary and dictionaries are tertiary sources. It also does not list its primary or secondary sources. Modern research should take precedence as more contemporary researchers have access to more primary and secondary sources (WP:RS AGE)--Countakeshi (talk) 17:30, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
 * No point in discussing this both here and at RSN. Also, when taking something to a noticeboard, you really should warn editors with whom you are discussing a subject. Objective3000 (talk) 17:52, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Discussion has moved here if anyone wants to follow: WP:RSN:Secondary sources for baccarat

History and French name
I put in a bit about how the French name was made because I noticed that on many sites in English, they were incorrectly saying that it had something to do with trains or railways. This is just idiotic; the name was given when it was introduced in the 15th century, so there was no such thing as a train or a railway. One site was saying that "chemin de fer" literally means "railway" - this is incorrect. It translates as railway but it literally means "way of iron". When I searched through French sites, I quickly found that it got the name because the cards were put in an iron box. Owen214 (talk) 05:27, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

 * "Chemin" translates more accurately into "Path." Thus, a "chemin de fer" would be an "iron path."  Hence the eventual usage to mean railway.  --LePhil (talk) 03:58, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

 * There is no difference at all between 'iron path' and 'way of iron' Owen214 (talk) 12:57, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

The author of this article needs to be clear about the meaning of the French term "chemin de fer". As other commentators have said above the term is the ordinary French designation for "railway" (in British English) and "railroad" (in U.S. English). The author's belief that "chemin de fer" could mean "iron shirt", and by analogy "iron box", raises great doubt in my mind about his fitness for public writing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grobblakk (talk • contribs) 19:28, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

 * Well, at the very least, he didn't do well in high school French, having clearly confused "chemin" with "chemise."Marguerite de Navarre (talk) 05:43, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

 * The 'author' didn't say anything about shirt, the previous anonymous contributor just made that up. He gives a really good argument why chemin de fer shouldn't be translated 'railway' when referring to the card game. Zargulon (talk) 10:08, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

It can mean railways because baccarat and chemin de fer originate from the 19th-century. I've added better references regarding the history of this game. Do not rely on websites that don't give out any sources.--Countakeshi (talk) 22:39, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Casino Royale
In fact, the game played in this novel is the one described here as "Baccarat Banque" - although the casino does not have enough players for Le Chifre (who has bought the bank for the evening) to play against two tables at once.

External Link section.
I'm of the opinion that the (only) link in the external links [sic] section is unimportant to the article. It only describes one version of the game, and not significantly better than the article itself. The link text itself also is overly commercialized fluff ("A great Site explaining Baccarat in simple clear language"). Cnj 03:42, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Being a baccarat addict, I came across this free non-commercial baccarat course from Asia. The teacher is obviously trying to change the way we Chinese all play from superstition-based to mathematical-based. There was no charge to study the course and I was never solicited because I had studied the course. So I decided to add the link to give others a chance to see this material.

As per the commented instructions on the edit page for Baccarat, I would like you to consider a link for the "External Links". The site is Baccarat Advisor It gives a history of the game, the rule, variations, comments on strategy. Also throughout it emphasizes the fact that Baccarat is not so much a game of strategy as a game for enjoyment, and that gamblers should understand that it is NOT a platform for making millions of dollars from the casinos.72.251.53.15 (talk) 15:05, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Makccarat
A new game has appeared in Sands and Venetian Macau (and it appears on a Macau government gambling statistics website). It is played as baccarat is with the same amount of cards but the rules are very different in terms of when a card is drawn and how tax is taken. I'm wondering if we need a new article or if it can fit in this article.DietEvil (talk) 17:57, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * If it meets WP:V and WP:N, then it could be its own article, but if it is just acasino variation, then it probably just merits a couple sentences here, for now at least. 2005 (talk) 22:54, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I have added it below Mini-Baccarat and I'm sure the wording isn't terribly clear but I did the best I could. If anyone needs any clarification or wants to help re-write it, I more than welcome your help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DietEvil (talk • contribs) 04:17, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * This game is going to need references from at least 2 casinos. If the game is only played at one particular casino, then it should not be discussed or even mentioned here, as it would just be advertising.Owen214 (talk) 07:38, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Skill to play a LARGE part?
"In baccarat chemin de fer and baccarat banque, by contrast, both players can make choices, which allows skill to play a large part."

This is, in my opinion, nonsense. The decision whether to take another card only occurs for the punter when he has a total of five. The banker has more options but the idea that the punter's demeanor would give away whether he had a decision or not assumes a childish foolishness on the part of that individual. I suppose it would be really skillful to hesitate and consider hitting a seven total, without ever intending to take another card, so your opponent would take no cards with a worse hand.

I'm not saying there is no skill involved but compared to bridge, poker or even blackjack, it does not play a large part. I would edit out the word "large." 67.130.101.194 (talk) 16:01, 12 December 2008 (UTC)Will in New Haven67.130.101.194 (talk) 16:01, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

 * Yes, I think the word "large" is unnecessary. We don't need to get into the philosophical matter of whether there's more skill in baccarat than in Texas Hold'em. I think the original point of that sentence was to note that those varieties of baccarat include some matters of skill (unlike punto banco, which is strictly a game of chance--all moves are forced after you make your bet). The word "large" is unnecessary. So I nuked it. Whee! -- Narsil (talk) 20:49, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

 * The question of whether skill plays as large a part in any form of baccrat as it does in Holdem is not philosophical. It is mathematical and the answer is clear. Baccarat is a game for people to dress up fancy and donate money to casinos. And feel sophisticated. 65.79.173.135 (talk) 18:43, 12 July 2013 (UTC)Will in New Haven65.79.173.135 (talk) 18:43, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Baccara a Deux Tableaux
The 2003 edition of "Hoyle's Official Rules of Card Games" spells the name "Baccara" rather than "Baccarat". Further, it describes "Baccara a Deux Tableaux", which, as near as I can understand, is identical to the "Baccarat Banque" described in this article. Does anyone know the source of the difference in spelling? And should "a Deux Tableaux" be added as an alternate name for "Banque"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.69.190.75 (talk) 22:44, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 'Baccara' was a Provençal spelling - an old precursor to French. Who knows why Hoyle wrote it that way, but the book was written a long time ago and the consensus worldwide is to write it in its French spelling: Baccarat Owen214 (talk) 07:41, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Popular culture
I would hardly describe Team Fortress 2 as being part of popular culture, so this game making a passing reference to Baccarat isn't worth a mention is it? Besides, Baccarat is much more widely known than Team Fortress 2.

Rush Hour 3 was a well-known movie, but if one character just happened to be in a baccarat game during one scene, that doesn't seem worthy of note either.

The difference between these and the James Bond reference is that James Bond is widely popular, it's been around for a long time and James Bond regularly plays Baccarat - it isn't just a passing mention of Baccarat on 1 occasion. Please remember this is meant to be an encyclopaedia; not a reference of video games and movie characters. Owen214 (talk) 04:29, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

 * I agree, and have removed the TF2 comment as being far too obscure for WP inclusion. It's not even just a feature in a videogame, it's from some sort of promotional materials for some supplement to the game.  Far too obscure to merit mention, much less several sentences.  The Bond inclusion makes sense though, as I'd imagine millions of people primarily know the game from seeing it in those films. MatthewVanitas (talk) 06:41, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

This popular culture section has again become out of control. Apparently somebody playing Baccarat in an episode of a TV show counts as a reference to this game in popular culture. As a guide to the fans of these TV shows who can't wait to list their show as making reference to Baccarat, the character should play Baccarat as a habit (eg James Bond) or the plot must be significantly influcenced by the game being played in some sort of unusual way. Also, the TV show / movie / whatever must be very popular. At the moment, my perception of references in popular culture would not include the listings about Mission Impossible, Rush Hour 3, Warren Zevon or A Hard Day's Night. I'll remove them in the next few days unless somebody provides some sort of logical opposition. Owen214 (talk) 07:52, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Reading Casino Royale lately, the game played resembles Baccarat banque more closely than chemin de fer - the bank is bought and not relinquished on loss. Sadly I can't find a text to reference it in online. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.193.167.238 (talk) 22:46, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

 * I agree that the pop culture is out of control -- I mean, Mission Impossible? Especially when there's no mention whatever of Edward VII being a baccarat aficionado when he was Prince of Wales, which greatly increased the game's popularity, and especially of his unwilling involvement in the Tranby Croft scandal and trial, which turned on someone being accused of cheating at baccarat.

 * On a different point, the whole "modulo 10" thing is arguably unnecessary and at least ridiculously overdone. It has the feel of some math undergrad showing off his lesson of the week. At the very least, knock the jumbo-size font down to normal! -- Michael K Smith Talk 21:51, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

 * I have taken your excellent suggestion of including the Royal Baccarat Scandal in the Pop Culture section. If anything, I think that this helps to strengthen the argument for the removal of some of the other pop culture blurbs.  Heather (talk) 16:59, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

External link suggestion
How about a link to the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica article? A simple citation can be made:

Or the attractive poster shown can be used. The template for the poster is best located at the top of the section.

— Bob Burkhardt (talk) 19:23, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

US vs Euro rules:

Forgive the spelling...

What are the rules in Baccarat and Chemin-de-fer about drawing a card?

In the US casinos do it automatically, but when the player or bank has options then strategy comes into play.

Duzykawa (talk) 15:17, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

16 Valuation of a Baccarat hand
I think that after the explanation of the value assigned to each card, this section is written in unnecessarily complicated fashion. I think that the basic idea is that for hands where the aggregate face value of the cards (represented by x) is less than 10, the value of one's hand is x, whereas if x is 10 or greater, the value of one's hand is x - 10. In other words, I think it's pretty straightforward, but introducing modular mathematics terminology and accompanying equations make this section less helpful and user-friendly than it could be. Marguerite de Navarre (talk) 06:22, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Which hand wins?
Reading the punto banco section (I haven't read the other varieties'), I don't see that it says which hand wins. It does say
 * If either Player or Banker or both achieve a total of 8 or 9 at this stage, the coup is finished and the result is announced: Player win, a Banker win, or tie. If neither hand has eight or nine, the drawing rules are applied to determine whether Player should receive a third card. Then, based on the value of any card drawn to the player, the drawing rules are applied to determine whether the Banker should receive a third card. The coup is then finished, the outcome is announced and winning bets are paid out.

— but nothing there says which hand is the winner if one hand has eight or nine (in the first quoted sentence), or which outcome is announced (in the last quoted sentence). This is a grave omission.—msh210 ℠ 17:19, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, never mind: I see now: it's in the lede: "three possible outcomes: 'player' (player has the higher score), 'banker,' and 'tie.'".—msh210 ℠ 17:35, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Clarity on scoring
The section for "Chemin de Fer" says, "... if either has an eight or a nine, this is immediately announced and the hands are turned face-up and compared. If neither hand is an eight or nine..." These statements seem to contradict each other based on the use of the word "has". The first sentence implies if either card is an eight or a nine, then the clause is true; the second sentence implies if the score of the hand totals eight or nine, then the clause is true. 24.19.231.240 (talk) 01:37, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

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Macao
I am aware of Parlett, the existence of the game in London and its possible origins in Hungary. But, all of this post dates the Italian game of Baccara brought to France in the 15th century. The Macao section would seem to contradict the lead. O3000 (talk) 17:31, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

What is the pallet for?
The first image mentions the pallet but no further information is provided. The caption assumes the reader knows what a Baccarat pallet is, but some explanation of it's purpose is necessary.  freshacconci  (✉) 13:16, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, they're pretty much obsolete outside of James Bond movies or possibly chemin de fer in Monte Carlo. Probably should find a better image. O3000 (talk) 13:30, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
 * In the older forms, including chemin de fer, the tables are fairly large, larger than banco punto, so the croupier will use the pallet to pass the player cards to the bettor serving that role. Being that chemin de fer isn't all that popular of a version these days, being largely seen as an old fashioned version, it's pretty much an archaic throwback, but is still also associated with the game as a whole. oknazevad (talk) 17:16, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 12 July 2021

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. There is a consensus that the card game is the primary topic and that the commune should be at Baccarat, Meurthe-et-Moselle. (closed by non-admin page mover) Lennart97 (talk) 20:40, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

– With 20 times the average page views, a worldwide significance, and no known etymological link between the names, it seems to me the card game is a clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and should be at the base name. (As an aside, I'm not wedded to the disambiguator for the commune and am open to suggestions. oknazevad (talk) 18:41, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Baccarat (card game) → Baccarat
 * Baccarat → Baccarat (commune)
 * Support. Move Baccarat to Baccarat, Meurthe-et-Moselle. 162 etc. (talk) 19:30, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

 * Support 2nd, Neutral 1st. I don't have an opinion on the card game becoming the primary, but it's quite clear that if there's a primary topic the commune definitely isn't it. We could possibly reassess after possibly putting a dab page at the basename, maybe. Also, not sure / neutral on what should come after "Baccarat" in the new title of the commune's page. Paintspot Infez (talk) 19:38, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Support. The card game is the clear primary topic based on page views, It gets an average of 1,000 hits per day compared to the French place, which gets less than 50 despite being at the base name. -- Calidum  19:41, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah. I don't know why my link to the page view too was misformatted. Thanks for the fix. oknazevad (talk) 19:57, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Support with Baccarat, Meurthe-et-Moselle. The card game is the primary topic.  User:力 (power~enwiki,  π,  ν ) 19:44, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment for those unsure about the disambiguator, I'll note that the article's previous title was Baccarat, Meurthe-et-Moselle, and this would revert an undiscussed move from 2014. 162 etc. (talk) 19:50, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Since the move to the base title was undiscussed, then it's particularly egregious that it occupies the base title while not being the primary topic. That move should be reverted anyway. Especially since the rationale given in the move summary (that everything else is named after the commune) is both false (as I said above and is noted on the talk page, the etymology of baccarat as the name of the card game is uncertain at best) and irrelevant (there is no clause in WP:PRIMARYTOPIC about the oldest use getting precedence; such suggestions have always been flatly rejected.) oknazevad (talk) 19:57, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Agree, and it would have been eligible for WP:RMT, although now an RM is open and we should let it play out. 162 etc. (talk) 21:30, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

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 * Support, the card game is clearly the primary topic. J I P  | Talk 00:02, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Support 2nd as Baccarat, Meurthe-et-Moselle but consider putting the DAB at the basename instead, even the company gets more views (2,389)[].  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 09:37, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * More views than the commune, but still an almost 10-to-1 in favor of the card game. (21,889 to 2,389) oknazevad (talk) 12:58, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Support 1st. Very clear primary topic. Move 2nd to Baccarat, Meurthe-et-Moselle. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:09, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Support Move 2nd to Baccarat, Meurthe-et-Moselle because of there is no etymological link beetwen commune and game. Neutral on giving primary topic for the game, though not oppose because of according to the article is dated on 15-19th century. Dawid2009 (talk) 14:36, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment WP:PRIMARYTOPIC has no clause about which came first. It's entirely about which is the most common meaning of the name. With page views that are 10-1 of the next most viewed article, there's little question in my mind that the card game is the primary topic. oknazevad (talk) 16:10, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Requesting the page be locked to logged-on users only due to frequent recent casino link spamming
Looking at the history page, no less than 6 attempts (5 of them IPs, spread across both IPv4 and IPv6) from 1st through 10th of November 2023 of what I got the impression are likely the same spambot, have attempted to rampage the page by replacing random bits of text with casino fraud links. Its edits were understandably quickly undone (and the one registered account perma'd), but at this point I think it's suitable to consider limiting editing of the page to logged-in users only; or, if that's not possible, to autoconfirmed users. Dandelion Sprout (talk) 12:04, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

 * It was temporarily semi-protected for a time as a result of that spate of spam, but that expired after a month and here's only been one spam attempt since then. As such, there's unlikely to be enough recent issues to semi-protect it again. oknazevad (talk) 18:02, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

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Skipjack tuna

The skipjack tuna (Katsuwonus pelamis) is a perciform fish in the tuna family, Scombridae, and is the only member of the genus Katsuwonus. It is also known as katsuo, arctic bonito, mushmouth, oceanic bonito, striped tuna or victor fish. It grows up to 1 m (3 ft) in length. It is a cosmopolitan pelagic fish found in tropical and warm-temperate waters. It is a very important species for fisheries.

Description

It is a streamlined, fast-swimming pelagic fish common in tropical waters throughout the world, where it inhabits surface waters in large shoals (up to 50,000 fish), feeding on fish, crustaceans, cephalopods, and mollusks. It is an important prey species for sharks and large pelagic fishes and is often used as live bait when fishing for marlin. It has no scales, except on the lateral line and the corselet (a band of large, thick scales forming a circle around the body behind the head). It commonly reaches fork lengths up to 80 cm and a mass of 8 –. Its maximum fork length is 108 cm, and its maximum mass is 34.5 kg. Determining the age of skipjack tuna is difficult, and estimates of its potential lifespan range between 8 and 12 years.

Skipjack tuna are batch spawners. Spawning occurs year-round in equatorial waters, but it gets more seasonal further away from the equator. Fork length at first spawning is about 45 cm. It is also known for its potent smell.

Skipjack tuna has the highest percentage of skeletal muscle devoted to locomotion of all animals, at 68% of the animal's total body mass.

Skipjack tuna are highly sensitive to environmental conditions and changes. Climate change effects are significant in marine ecosystems, and ecological factors may change fish distribution and catchability.

Fisheries
It is an important commercial and game fish, usually caught using purse seine nets, and is sold fresh, frozen, canned, dried, salted, and smoked. In 2018, landings of 3.2 million tonnes were reported, the third highest of any marine capture fishery (after Peruvian anchoveta and Alaska pollock). Countries recording large amounts of skipjack catches include the Maldives, France, Spain, Malaysia, Sri Lanka, and Indonesia.

Skipjack is the most fecund of the main commercial tunas, and its population is considered sustainable against its current consumption. Its fishing is still controversial due to the methodology, with rod and reel or fishery options being promoted as ecologically preferable. Purse seine methods are considered unsustainable by some authorities due to excess bycatch, although bycatch is said to be much reduced if fish aggregation devices are not used. These considerations have led to the availability of canned skipjack marked with the fishing method used to catch it.

Skipjack is considered to have "moderate" mercury contamination. As a result, pregnant women are advised against eating large quantities. In addition, skipjack's livers were tested globally for tributyltin (TBT) contamination. TBT is an organotin compound introduced into marine ecosystems through antifouling paint used on ship hulls and has been determined to be very toxic. About 90% of skipjack tested positive for contamination, especially in Southeast Asia, where regulations of TBT use are less rigorous than in Europe or the US.

Japan
Skipjack tuna is used extensively in Japanese cuisine, where it is known as katsuo (鰹/かつお). It is eaten raw in sushi and sashimi, as well as slightly seared in katsuo tataki. It is also smoked and dried to make katsuobushi, and the shavings are commonly used to make dashi (soup stock). Katsuobushi flakes are also used as seasoning, such as in onigiri (rice balls) or on top of tofu. The raw viscera of skipjack tuna is salted and fermented to make shutō, a type of shiokara.

The fish's fat content changes during migrations along the Japanese islands. When they migrate north in summer, they are called hasugatsuo ("first katsuo") or noborigatsuo ("ascending katsuo"), and have a lesser amount of fat. When they migrate south in autumn, they are called modorigatsuo ("returning katsuo") or kudarigatsuo ("descending katsuo"), and have a high level of fat.

Other places
In Indonesian cuisine, skipjack tuna is known as cakalang. The most popular Indonesian dish made from skipjack tuna is cakalang fufu from Minahasa. It is a cured and smoked skipjack tuna dish, made by cooking the fish after clipping it to a bamboo frame. Skipjack known as kalhubilamas in Maldives is integral to Maldivian cuisine.

Skipjack tuna is an important fish in the native cuisine of Hawaii (where it is known as aku) and throughout the Pacific islands. Hawaiians prefer to eat aku either raw as a sashimi or poke or seared in Japanese tataki style.

The trade in pickled skipjack tuna is a driving force behind the commercial fishery of this species in Spain.

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Bold textKing Said lived a thousand years ago. king Said had ten trustful knights. Broadband, Frenchy, Grandpa, Krackhead and bushman. Broadband was the guy who would give you the most jokes like for e.g. in times of battle he would put you completely off by screaming out i am going to tell mummy. Frenchy was the guy who will be funny but be intrested more in his looks for e.g. in the middle of a battle will bring out a mirror and check if he is still looking good. Grandpa was the guy who always complain about problems he don't have e.g. in time of battle he will shout out that he has back pains which will totally put the person off which is trying to kill him. Krackhead was the guy who wouuld like one type of music, very smart but at the same time be very dumb e.g. in time of battle he will probably tell his enemy a stupid joke then walk in a circle which will just put the enemy of completley. bushman was the slient but very violent knight, he was the guy who was the oldest therefore experinced the most like fighting with lions, chasing tigers e.g. in time of battle he will be the guy who wait and smile untill the knights need his help. seki was the guy who gave everyone laughter, anything he touches becomes funny yet his quite and mysterious cause no one knows anything about him e.g. in time of battle know one will how he fights but everyone knows his quite dangerous. Eric was the most quitest knight but when he speaks everyone listens with a strong accent e.g. in time of battle he is the probably the one knight everyone looks to and even the emenmy is sacred. Walter is the yet all these knghts all have a twisted mentallity which makes them effeiecnt killers

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Flow control structure

A flow control structure is a device that alters the flow of water in a stream, drainage channel or pipe. As a group these are passive structures since they operate without intervention under different amounts of water flow and their impact changes based on the quantity of water available. This includes weirs, flow splitters and proprietary-design devices that are used for stormwater management and in combined sewers.

Flow-control structures are known to have existed for thousands of years. Some built by the Chinese have been in continuous use for over 2,000 years. The Chinese used these structures to divert water to irrigate fields and to actually deposit silt in specific areas so that the channels were not blocked by silt build-up. Structures like this required yearly maintenance to remove the accumulated silt.

More modern structures add to these basic principles. In Hawaii, there are numerous flow-control structures that have been built to irrigate the pineapple and sugar cane fields. The purpose of these structures is to divert water into the various canals and to keep them full. When over full, they dump excess water back into either streams or other canals. Among the simplest is a low dam across a shallow stream, forcing all of the water to one side to allow it to be easily collected in a canal. This can keep a canal full even with very low flows in a stream.

Another simple device is a series of concrete piers installed in a spillway to slow down the descending water so that it does not cause damage at the bottom of the spillway.

Applications

 * Low-impact development
 * Sustainable drainage system
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