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Glyptostrobus pensilis

Glyptostrobus pensilis, known in Chinese as 水松 (Shuǐ sōng), and also Chinese swamp cypress, is an endangered conifer, and the sole living species in the genus Glyptostrobus.

Description
It is a medium-sized to large tree, reaching 30 m tall and with a trunk diameter of up to 1 m, possibly more. The leaves are deciduous, spirally arranged but twisted at the base to lie in two horizontal ranks, 5 - 20 mm long and 1 - 2 mm broad, but 2 - 3 mm long and scale-like on shoots in the upper crown. The cones are green maturing yellow-brown, pear-shaped, 2 - 3 cm long and 1 - 1.5 cm diameter, broadest near the apex. They open when mature to release the small, 5 - 20 mm long, winged seeds. Like the related genus Taxodium, it produces 'cypress knees', or pneumatophores, when growing in water, thought to help transport oxygen to the roots.

Distribution and habitat
G. pensilis is native to subtropical southeastern China, from Fujian west to southeast Yunnan, and also very locally in northern Vietnam and down to central Laos, where stands exist in the Nakai-Nam Theun area. It typically grows in river banks, ponds and swamps, growing in water up to 60 cm deep.

Conservation
The species is nearly extinct in the wild due to overcutting for its valuable decay-resistant, scented wood, but it is also fairly widely planted along the banks of rice paddies where its roots help to stabilise the banks by reducing soil erosion. There appear to be no remaining wild plants in China and few of those in Vietnam are seed-bearing. A population of Chinese swamp cypress was recently discovered in central Laos. The species is found in several botanical gardens around the world. It was previously reported that there were four specimens of this tree growing in Bank Hall Gardens, Lancashire, United Kingdom, but it has now been confirmed that they are in fact the swamp or bald cypress from the southeastern USA, Taxodium distichum.

Remarkable Specimens
The largest known cultivated tree is located at the Christchurch Botanic gardens in New Zealand. The tree measures 82.67 ft tall, 40.3 ft wide and 10.53 ft in girth.

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Logie Awards of 1996

The 38th Annual TV Week Logie Awards was held on Sunday, April 21, 1996, at the Melbourne Park Function Centre in Melbourne, and broadcast on the Nine Network. The ceremony was hosted by Daryl Somers, and guests included Gloria Reuben and Holly Hunter.

Winners and nominees
The nominees for the 38th Logie Awards were announced in early April 1996. Unlike previous years, there were five nominations in each category. These were then cut to three on the night of the ceremony.

The winners were announced during the awards ceremony on 21 April 1996.

Winners are listed first, highlighted in boldface.

Most Outstanding Programs

 * Most Outstanding Achievement in Drama Production
 * Winner:
 * Blue Murder (ABC TV)

 * Most Outstanding Achievement in Public Affairs
 * Winner:
 * "Minor Surgery, Major Risk", Four Corners (ABC TV)

 * Most Outstanding Documentary
 * Winner:
 * Untold Desires (SBS TV)

 * Most Outstanding Achievement in News
 * Winner:
 * "Muraroa Protests", National Nine News (Nine Network)

 * Most Outstanding Achievement in Comedy
 * Winners:
 * Frontline (ABC TV)

 * Most Outstanding Achievement by a Regional Network
 * Winners:
 * No Time For Frailty (Prime Television)

Performers

 * Kate Ceberano
 * John Farnham

Hall of Fame
After a lifetime in Australian television, Maurie Fields became the 13th inductee and 2nd posthumous inductee into the TV Week Logies Hall of Fame. However, Val Jellay accepted the award on his behalf.

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Hungary in the Eurovision Song Contest

Hungary has participated in the Eurovision Song Contest 17 times since making its debut in. Hungary attempted to participate in but failed to qualify from Kvalifikacija za Millstreet, a special qualifying competition set up for seven former Eastern Bloc countries.

Hungary's first contest in 1994 remains its most successful, with Friderika Bayer finishing in fourth place. The country's only other top five result is a fifth-place finish by András Kállay-Saunders in. Other top ten results are Magdi Rúzsa finishing ninth in, ByeAlex tenth in , and Joci Pápai eighth in , giving Hungary a total of five top ten placements.

History
Hungary's first entry in the Eurovision Song Contest would have been "Árva reggel", performed by Andrea Szulák, in, but a qualification round was held for former Eastern Bloc countries, and the song did not manage to qualify to the final. The first official Hungarian participation was with "Kinek mondjam el vétkeimet?", performed by Friderika Bayer, in. Hungary received the maximum score of 12 points from the first three countries to vote. However, as the competition progressed, it attracted fewer votes and ultimately finished in fourth place.

The entry was not as successful, garnering only 3 points, narrowly beating last-place Germany. In Hungary again failed to qualify when "Fortuna", performed by Gjon Delhusa did not qualify from the pre-qualification round.

Hungary withdrew after the contest. It had planned to return in 2004, but ultimately did not take part in the contest. They eventually returned in, where they finished in 12th place in the final with "Forogj, világ!", performed by NOX. However, Hungary withdrew again in, returning in with "Unsubstantial Blues", the first Hungarian entry in English, performed by Magdi Rúzsa, the winner of the 3rd season of the Hungarian talent show Megasztár. The song came 9th in Helsinki, receiving 128 points in the final.

After coming last in the semi-final in the contest, Magyar Televízió (MTV), the Hungarian broadcaster, confirmed Hungary's participation at the  contest in Moscow. After MTV's original choice was revealed to have been released before 1 October 2008, breaking contest rules, it was decided that "Dance with Me", performed by Zoltán Ádok, would be Hungary's entry, after MTV's second choice to represent Hungary declined. The song placed 15th in the second semi-final, failing to qualify for the grand final for the second time since the introduction of the semi-finals in.

In October 2009, MTV confirmed that it would not participate in the contest due to financial limitations in the company which would prevent it from sending an entry. Duna TV broadcast the event live and applied for EBU membership to send a representative to Düsseldorf in 2011. However, during the EBU's 65th conference, Duna TV's bid to become an active member was rejected. In December 2010, it was confirmed that MTV had agreed to return to the 2011 edition. MTV internally selected the song "What About My Dreams?", performed by Kati Wolf. The song placed 7th in the first semi-final with 72 points and was the first entry representing Hungary to qualify for the final since. In the final, the song placed 22nd with 53 points.

In, MTV organised a national final, A Dal, to select the Hungarian entry for the contest in Baku. The song "Sound of Our Hearts", performed by Compact Disco, was selected. The song placed 10th in the first semi-final with 52 points, and 24th in the final with 19 points. A Dal had been used as the Hungarian selection process every year since.

In, Hungary reached the top 10, when the song "Kedvesem (Zoohacker Remix)", performed by ByeAlex, placed 10th with 84 points. Hungary reached the top 5 in, when the song "Running", performed by András Kállay-Saunders, placed 5th with 143 points, achieving the best result Hungary has had since their first participation in 1994.

Hungary made it to the top ten once again in, when the song "Origo", performed by Joci Pápai, placed 8th with 200 points, achieving their best result in three years. Pápai represented Hungary again in with the song "Az én apám", but failed to qualify for the final, marking Hungary's first non-qualification since 2009.

Hungary did not appear on the final list of participants for the later-cancelled contest; it has been absent from the contest since. MTVA stated that it would continue to organise A Dal to "support the valuable productions created by the talents of Hungarian pop music directly" instead of participating in the contest. The withdrawal came during a rise of anti-LGBTQ+ sentiment among the leadership of Hungary and MTVA; while no official reason for the withdrawal was given by the broadcaster, an inside source speaking with the website Index.hu speculated that the contest was considered "too gay" for MTVA to participate.

Conductors
Their first entry was conducted by Péter Wolf

Heads of delegation
The Head of the delegation was Szilvia Püspök between 2008 and 2016, then Lőrinc Bubnó in 2017, 2018 and 2019.

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The Big Steal

The Big Steal is a 1949 American black-and-white film noir reteaming Out of the Past stars Robert Mitchum and Jane Greer. The film was directed by Don Siegel, based on the short story "The Road to Carmichael's" by Richard Wormser.

Plot
U.S. Army lieutenant Duke Halliday (Robert Mitchum) is robbed of a $300,000 payroll by Jim Fiske (Patric Knowles). When Halliday's superior, Captain Vincent Blake (William Bendix), suspects him of having taken part in the theft, Halliday pursues Fiske into Mexico. Along the way, he runs into Joan Graham (Jane Greer), who is also after Fiske, she for $2000 loaned to her now ex-boyfriend. The two join forces, tentatively at first, as they are not sure if they can trust each other.

Fiske stays one step ahead of the couple as they chase him near the length of Mexico, pursued all the while with equal ardour by Blake. When Halliday is knocked down trying to stop Fiske from getting away, he comes to the attention of Police Inspector General Ortega (Ramon Novarro). Halliday claims to be Blake, using identification he took from the captain after a brawl. Ortega lets him go after Fiske, but keeps an eye on him. His suspicions towards Halliday are confirmed when the real Blake shows up at his office seeking help.

Halliday and Graham ultimately track Fiske to a safehouse in the desert, where a fence, Seton (John Qualen), offers him $150,000 in untraceable bills in exchange for the payroll. After a shootout, the couple are captured by Seton's henchmen. When Blake shows up, Halliday is initially relieved to be rescued, until Blake reveals that he is actually the brains behind the crime.

Fiske turns squeamish at the prospect of Graham being murdered and dumped in the desert along with Halliday, and proposes taking her with him. Blake, who is calling all the shots, rejects the idea, and in an act that shocks everyone shoots Fiske in the back when he goes to leave. Revealing just how ruthless he is, he then calmly explains to the others that his cover story will be that his late ex-partner, “apparently still at large”, will take the blame for the missing payroll. Seeking to twist Blake’s confession back on him, Halliday then points out to Seton that if Blake gets rid of him too, he can cover his tracks with the army by giving the stolen money back to it and keep the $150,000 for himself.

Alarmed, and taking no chances, Seton pulls a gun on everyone, and disarms Blake. Graham then creates a distraction for Halliday to jump Blake, whom he bests in a bruising fistfight, while she accidentally wounds Seaton during a successful struggle over his gun. Ortega is called to come make the arrests.

Cleared by Ortega of all wrongdoing, Halliday is free to return to the army. When he indicates to a waiting Graham there is nothing to do in Mexico to keep him there any longer, she points his attention to a passing Mexican couple parading their seven children. He gets her drift as she smiles coyly.

Cast

 * Robert Mitchum as Lt. Duke Halliday
 * Jane Greer as Joan Graham
 * William Bendix as Capt. Vincent Blake
 * Patric Knowles as Jim Fiske
 * Ramon Novarro as Inspector General Ortega
 * Don Alvarado as Lt. Ruiz
 * John Qualen as Julius Seton
 * Pascual García Peña as Manuel

Casting
Robert Mitchum's arrest for possession of marijuana on September 1, 1948, and his subsequent conviction and incarceration, had a large impact on the production of The Big Steal. RKO head Howard Hughes saw Mitchum's notoriety surrounding the arrest (the actor already seen as a 'bad boy' in Hollywood) as a positive that would boost attention for a rather low-rent - but hopefully profitable - production.

George Raft was originally cast, but was replaced by Mitchum after the arrest. Lizabeth Scott was slated for the female lead but quit three weeks prior to filming due to the arrest, and was replaced by Jane Greer (Mitchum and Greer had been earlier paired in the successful 1947 noir Out of the Past). Hughes had been keeping Greer, a former girlfriend, from appearing in any RKO films in an attempt to ruin her career, but finally conceded when no other actress would take the part.

Filming
Filming (Los Angeles and Tehuacán, Puebla, Mexico) was rushed in order to capitalize on the publicity generated by Mitchum's drug charges and incarceration, with some scenes shot while Mitchum was serving his sentence. Seigel commented upon the effect of Mitchum's absence upon a scene in which William Bendix pursues Mitchum through a forest, shot three months apart:

"Mitchum in the picture would come running into a sequence and the trees would be green, and Bendix would be right on his heels and the tree would be bare."

Jane Greer's pregnancy ensured that the schedule was kept tight. This was part of the reason for the film's relatively short 71 minute runtime. Despite this Siegel said the film came in under budget.

The screenwriters Gerald Drayson Adams and Daniel Mainwaring (nom de plume Geoffrey Homes), were undecided as to Mitchum's film characterization, and according to film critic Judith M. Kass, viewers may be “confused about Mitchum’s motives until the final chase and denouement.”

Release
Capitalizing on Michum's headlines was a proven scheme for Hughes, who immediately following the arrest had pushed for another of Mitchum's pictures, Rachel and the Stranger, to be released sooner than planned. Rachel was released on September 18, 1948, and became one of the year's biggest hits.

Home media
The U.K. Region 2 DVD from 2008 (in a box set with 8 other film noir thrillers) is a colourised version, produced by Turner Entertainment, copyrighted 1991.

The U.S (multi region) DVD from 2007 is the black and white version and is on a double bill with 1955’s Illegal (1955 film) starring Edward G. Robinson.

Critical response
Channel 4 film reviews describes the movie as "Sparkling dialogues, fast-paced chases and the occasional twist make this an at first somewhat confusing but ultimately hugely entertaining film."

Hal Erickson writing for AllMovie calls the film "tautly directed by Don Siegel, who manages to pack plenty of twists and turns into the film's crowded 71 minutes."

In a review posted at Allmovie.com in 2024, Craig Butler writes:

“For a film noir, The Big Steal is surprisingly light. Unlike noirs such as The Big Sleep, which lace the darker proceedings with plenty of humor, Steal is fairly amusing all the way through. The setup and the stakes are serious, but the execution, even at its most action-packed, is handled with a sense of humor. Those looking for typical noir existentialism will be disappointed, but most will find themselves drawn in by Steal's charm…If The Big Steal falls short of classic status, it's because it's ultimately a caper film without a lot of depth to it; but if it's little more than one long chase, it's still an entertaining ride.”

Critic Judith M. Kass, writing in The Hollywood Professionals, Volume 4 (1976), singles out Jane Greer's performance for special mention: “The real support for Mitchum comes from Greer, who is fast-talking, quick-thinking and light on her feet as any masculine lead…”

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Talk:Namestnik

Наместник или генерал-губернатор - по учреждению о губерниях 1775 г.полагался в каждой губернии или наместничестве; но в виду того, что власть Н. во многом совпадала с властью губернаторов, их стали назначать по одному на две и даже на три губернии. Только Москва имела своего особого Н. Наместник назначался Высочайшею властью. Он должен был следить за строгим исполнением законов и обязанностей службы лицами, ему подчиненными, и предавать виновных суду, но сам судить их не мог. Он считался "ходатаем за пользу общую и государеву, заступником утесненных и побудителем безгласных дел". Он был обязан побуждать суды к скорому решению дел, а если находил решение несправедливым, то мог остановитьего исполнение, донеся об этом сенату или в делах, не терпящих отлагательства, императрице. Решения судов по делам уголовным, влекущим за собою отнятие жизни и чести, не могли быть приведены в исполнение без ведома Н. В наместничестве, лежащем на границе, Н. обязан был принимать меры предосторожности; в этом случае, равно как и при народных волнениях, в распоряжение Н. предоставлялись войска. Ему же подчинялись коменданты крепостей, гарнизонные и армейские полки. Приезжая в С.-Петербург, Н. имел право заседать в сенате по делам своего ведомства. Ему полагался конвой в 24 человека с подпоручиком и два адъютанта; сверх того дворянство командировало к нему по одному из молодых дворян от уезда, которых он отпускал по своему усмотрению. В 1816 г. Сперанский составил проект учреждения наместничеств, главные черты которого сводятся к следующему: всю империю разделить на 12 наместничеств, по 3, 4 или более губерний в каждом; главное управление в каждом наместничестве поручить Н. и его совету, который "в малом размере должен представлять комитет министров"; власть Н. должна обнимать все части высшего управления, не только судебного, полицейского и хозяйственного, но духовного и учебного: устройство губерний следует оставить на прежнем основании, но в каждой губернии учредить губернский совет по примеру наместнического. На этом проекте подробно останавливается Калачов в своей рецензии на исследование Андреевского: "О наместниках, воеводах и губернаторах" (XXIV, Присуждение демидовскихнаград, СПб., 1866). На окраинах России звание Н. существовало в Царстве польском, где оно в 1874 г. заменено званием генерал-губернатора, и на Кавказе, где оно в 1883 г. заменено званием главноначальствующего гражданской частью. Слово Н. соответствует нем. штатгальтер (Statthalter); звание это носит в Германии лицо, стоящее во главе управления Эльзас-Лотарингией, а в Австрии лицо, стоящее во главе администрации каждого из 9 наместничеств.

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Talk:City College of New York

Edit request
Can someone change the following text in the North Campus section:
 * There were five original neo-Gothic buildings on the upper Manhattan campus, which opened in 1906.

to the following:
 * There were five original neo-Gothic buildings on the upper Manhattan campus, which opened between 1906 and 1908: Shepard Hall, Baskerville Hall, Compton Hall, Harris Hall, and Wingate Hall.

User:Melchior2006 removed these as being unreferenced, but I'm providing a reference for these buildings. (Additionally, there actually are references for each building further down.)

Thank you in advance. – Epicgenius (talk) 20:46, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
 * done. --Melchior2006 (talk) 20:56, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Movies and shows filmed at the institution
Iss246 is insisting that this article include several trivial, poorly sourced mentions of movies or television shows filmed at this institution. Specifically, they are insisting that the following items be added to or remain in the "In media and popular culture" section:
 * The graduation scene in the 1970 movie Love Story was filmed at City College.
 * In 2018, the penultimate episode of The Americans (season 6, episode 9) was filmed at City College.
 * In Woody Allen's 1971 film Bananas, Nancy, the love interest of the central character Fielding Melish, is a philosophy major at City College.
 * The 1984 movie Beat Street was partially filmed at City College, which features a dance audition at Aaron Davis Hall as part of the story.

First, it's unacceptable for Iss246 to edit war to add or keep these items in the article. This is not their own personal article in which they wield a veto over all other editors.

Second, these are trivial facts that do little to help readers understand this institution. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information and our advice on college and university articles has specific guidance what should be included in sections like this: "[It] should not be an indiscriminate list of instances where the college or university is mentioned (in movies, books, television shows, etc.) nor should the section offer examples and discussion selected only by Wikipedia editors." There are other items included in this section that are helpful for readers - these are not.

Third, IMDB is not a reliable source. It's been discussed so many times that it has a specific entry in our list of commonly-discussed sources which in turn links to an essay that goes into more detail. ElKevbo (talk) 18:57, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

 * Thank you. I fully agree.  These are summary articles, and should not be burdened with such minor points, as details that CCNY was backdrop in a movie, or that such-and-such a building is LEEDS certified.  Puffery and trivia bloat on these articles is a constant problem.  Jax MN (talk) 19:39, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I also agree that these popular-culture mentions can't remain in the article and should be removed (I would do it myself if I didn't have a COI with the City University of New York, as I've mentioned in a previous section). However—with regards to your point about buildings, Jax MN—I do think there is an argument for splitting out the buildings into their own articles, where info such as LEED certification would be DUE. At least some of the buildings, such as those on the North Campus, are noteworthy enough to be designated as historical landmarks. – Epicgenius (talk) 00:53, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

 * What is with the snobbery about popular culture? I have two points to make in this regard.

 * First, IMDb is not as error-prone as you assert it to be. The Wikipedia article on IMDb indicates that submissions undergo consistency checks by the staff before text is published to the Web. As with Wikipedia, there is a volume of information to be checked, and therefore delays between when an item of information is submitted and when it appears. Occasional mistakes are "inevitable," but readers and staff members underline the mistakes. Staff members correct mistakes. In some respects, IMDb is comparable to Wikipedia in that there are contributions and checking by users. But unlike Wikipedia there is a paid editorial staff.

 * Second, popular culture references are important. Philip Kay wrote a doctoral dissertation at Columbia on the place of City College in the popular imagination. Sure, the location of City College in high culture is important. Of course that idea applies to City College's relation to books like Irving Howe's World of Our Fathers. The location of City College in popular culture is also important. It tells us about the relation of the institution to the surrounding world, even for individuals who haven't read Howe's masterwork. That the college shows up in movies and TV is important too. It is of interest that Fielding Melish's love interest studies philosophy at City College. It tells us about the character. And it tells us about City College in the popular imagination. Iss246 (talk) 04:08, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * We aren't "asserting" anything about IMDb; the community consensus is that it's generally unreliable, and this is listed at WP:RSP. If you would like to have that changed, you are free to start a discussion at WP:RSN. However, the current consensus among the Wikipedia community, again, is that IMDb is not generally reliable and should be supplanted by a source which actually is reliable.Second, I don't think there is a need to list out all of CCNY's pop-culture appearances. As @ElKevbo said above, "our advice on college and university articles has specific guidance what should be included in sections like this: "[It] should not be an indiscriminate list of instances where the college or university is mentioned (in movies, books, television shows, etc.) nor should the section offer examples and discussion selected only by Wikipedia editors." We can, at best, summarize the pop-culture appearances, if they are significant. But we should not be including every single movie where CCNY serves as a backdrop, or every single book where CCNY is mentioned; merely summarizing that info is sufficient to "tells us about City College in the popular imagination", as you say. Epicgenius (talk) 05:51, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Puffery and inflationary over-presentation of trivia is damaging Wikipedia on several fronts. I am for deleting the minor entries Iss246 has been edit warring about. --Melchior2006 (talk) 10:35, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Puffery because you don't like it. I call removing the additions because they come from popular culture snobbism. Iss246 (talk) 01:04, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * It would be helpful if you addressed these objections to the popular culture entries on their merits, rather than calling it "snobbism". – Epicgenius (talk) 14:30, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Indeed. My sense is that the protagonist in this discussion is yoked to a very predictable response among fans of the Ivys or of certain old-line east coast schools, like CCNY. No offense intended, but it is a self-absorption that is endemic among this milieu. (And I say this as as someone who enjoys Manhattan, and how direct New Yorkers are.) It's what drives the constant fretting over school ratings in their Wikipedia articles, and the minutiae of reporting exactly their number of Nobel laurates, etc. Then we get to the deep dive into popular culture and every effort to chisel in the IMPORTANT FACT that Woody Allen sneezed here, or to note a particular window of a campus building wherein in the backstory of a secondary character of a novel (a NYT bestseller, no doubt!), brooding Sheila sat in that very campus building and assessed her dubious life choices up until then. Or that a particular CCNY building was Mise-en-scène in the third panel of a Zippy cartoon from a Sunday in early June, 2005. It is so predictably neurotic. Loveable, even.  But we denizens of fly-over country laugh, and New Yorkers cannot perceive the joke. It's. A. Summary. Article.
 * If wishes to write a book, authoritatively listing the nexus points of all popular culture incidents where fame, fortune and CCNY meet, have at it.  There may be an audience for it.  But that is not here, in a limited, introductory, summary article about CCNY. Jax MN (talk) 17:17, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't know what the fuck you are talking about. I spend a lot of time in Minnesota, so-called flyover country. Iss246 (talk) 22:10, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Figured. In the spirit of the season, I'd love to buy you a drink next time you are here. I have a favorite bourbon that has won 7 best-in-class medals, is certified organic, endorsed by two A-listers and is carbon-neutral with featured placement in an upcoming movie... So there's that. Either Minneapolis or St. Paul will be fine. On the larger point, let these summary articles remain as launch pads for further research, without shoehorning in every darn point.  Again, I think there may be a market for When Woody Allen walked these mean streets - CCNY in the popular imagination, 1920-2020. I'd even  write a blurb for the jacket. Run with it, Iss! Jax MN (talk) 22:39, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * You run with it. Run with the sarcasm dripping from your lips. Iss246 (talk) 05:11, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * (Another holiday party last night...) Actually, that was a drop of bourbon on my lower lip, but thanks for noticing. Golly Iss, I even tried to find common ground for our proposed Twin Cities cocktail, noting the wealth of cultural affirmations or endorsements that my bourbon choice had earned. These apparently are validating ... for people. --Me, I just like the bourbon, and am not a "labels chaser."  CCNY is important in its own right, and the cultural nexus points cannot gild the lily any further. Rather, they can appear to be a thinly-veiled effort to resuscitate the purported "importance" of an otherwise fading film or dusty book, only benefiting the film or book by way of mention, versus adding any gravitas to the school.
 * Let me take another tack: During the Colonial period, it was popular for various inns to declare that "Washington once slept here!". I suppose your interest in linking CCNY to various cultural mention is similar in intent, but I cannot get too worked up over a 50-year old film background shot, or the resume of a minor character, or the logistics that declare Woody Allen once sneezed there. None of these rise to the importance of Geo. Washington, though perhaps opinions may diverge. I'd therefore omit all or most of the cultural mentions.  Given the range of opinions, this discussion is valuable to gain consensus, if not 100% agreement. Jax MN (talk) 18:44, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm going off on a tangent here, but since we have some experienced editors in this discussion, let me ask about procedure: how long does this discussion continue (fine with me if it does continue) and who finally decides what to do? Are there guidelines? --Melchior2006 (talk) 14:54, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Melchior2006, there is a policy, Consensus, which states: "Consensus on Wikipedia does not require unanimity (which is ideal but rarely achievable), nor is it the result of a vote. Decision making and reaching consensus involve an effort to incorporate all editors' legitimate concerns, while respecting Wikipedia's policies and guidelines." In other words, while not all participants have to agree, arguments backed by guidelines or policy have greater weight than those that are not. – Epicgenius (talk) 16:25, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Now, back to this question. It seems clear to me that Iss246 has shown edit-warring behavior and is not interested in consensus, particularly since they don't take the substantial questions seriously that were raised above. Nobody has anything against popular culture, there is lots of it on Wikipedia, but in this case it is a detriment to the higher-ed encyclopedia article on City College. I see no reason to keep the trivia in the article. Are we waiting for further opinions on the matter? Melchior2006 (talk) 08:13, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

 * If you disagree and provide reasons for your point of view, you are edit-warring. You are also subject to ridicule. Iss246 (talk) 17:48, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

 * An edit war is something different. This, this is a discussion.  And nothing Epicgenius or Melchior have written seems to be worthy of ridicule. BTW, anyone in the room here write Theater as "Theatre"? Jax MN (talk) 18:44, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I like Jax MN's suggestion of deleting the whole "In media and popular culture" section. Let me go through the points one by one. 1. "In World of Our Fathers, Irving Howe writes about Jewish immigrants' children attending City College." That there were/are a lot of Jews at CCNY seems to me to be really obvious and unnecessary as an additional point. 2. "The 2023 documentary The Five Demands provides archival footage and interviews with students who led the 1969 protests at City College." Unless the students were protesting in some specific CCNY way, this is superfluous. 3. "The graduation scene in the 1970 movie Love Story was filmed at City College." Delete, nothing to discuss. 4. "The central character in Woody Allen's short story "The Kugelmass Episode" is a lovesick City College humanities professor." Delete for same reasons. 4. "In 2018, the penultimate episode of The Americans (season 6, episode 9) was filmed at City College." Delete for the same reasons. 5. "In Woody Allen's 1971 film Bananas, Nancy, the love interest of the central character Fielding Melish, is a philosophy major at City College." Utterly irrelevant. 6. "The 1984 movie Beat Street was partially filmed at City College, which features a dance audition at Aaron Davis Hall as part of the story." There is no encycloopedia-relevant information here; who cares what hall was used? --Melchior2006 (talk) 19:51, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Not including text on Jews attending City College, particularly in an era when institutions like Harvard, Yale, and Columbia put quotas on the numbers of Jews those institutions would admit would be problematic deletion. City College did not impose a quota system on members of ethnic groups. Irving Howe's book is thus important with respect to City College and the aspirations of Jewish youth. The documentary film called the Five Demands covers an inflection point in the history of City College. It was one of the harbingers of the Open Admissions experiment that changed City College and other units of the City University of New York (see the WP entry on Mina P. Shaughnessy). What the participants in this discussion also miss is that City College was once an educational beacon for many New Yorkers, particularly Jewish New Yorkers. They also miss the institution's esteem once held in the popular imagination of New Yorkers. See Philip Kay's Guttersnips and 'Eliterates: City College in the Popular Imagination. Columbia University, 2011. Iss246 (talk) 23:38, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Hold on a moment - instead of summarizing that dissertation and using its bibliography to write a meaningful section with prose and context you're defending this Wikipedia editor-selected list of examples, several of which are really poor examples that tell readers nothing about the subject of this article??? Sorry but you're going about this all wrong.
 * I intend to remove the specific examples that all of the other editors have already agreed don't belong. If you really believe that this kind of information needs to be included in this article, I strongly recommend that you consider rewriting the section entirely using sources that are actually on-topic instead of spending time defending a poorly described collection of examples that tell readers little about this college. ElKevbo (talk) 02:11, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I do agree these events are important, especially given that the Jewish student population at CCNY is covered in numerous other sources. However, there's a distinction between mentioning the cultural impact of CCNY by summarizing these sources, and mentioning every single work of media where CCNY is featured. I'd look for reliable secondary sources for the documentary and the book you mentioned, because these might be noteworthy. (I'd have to disagree a bit with Melchior that mentioning the book is "really obvious and unnecessary as an additional point", but I figure he said that because, right now, the article only mentions that the book talks about Jews being at CCNY, rather than their impact.) The popular culture entries that were just removed had little, if anything, to do with CCNY. – Epicgenius (talk) 14:53, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm all for relevant content on Jews being at CCNY as a special presence, different from other anti-semitic colleges, and so on. But the fact that a novel (sorry: book) described a Jew being a student there, that is too insignificant. Was he there because he was rejected elsewhere? Was he there because there was a tradition of Jewish students? Was there recruiting of Jews? This kind of information is relevant. --Melchior2006 (talk) 17:03, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * What novel is that? Iss246 (talk) 22:10, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I meant book. Thanks for the question, it prompted me to look at Howe more closely. It is a book of history, therefore it was in the wrong place (Media). I integrated some of Howe's assertions in more appropriate places and documented them. --Melchior2006 (talk) 07:40, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Irving Howe book doesn't belong in Media and Pop Culture
World of Our Fathers by Irving Howe "writes about Jewish immigrants' children attending City College" is covered above in the article. It is redundant here, and since Howe's book is historical scholarship, it doesn't belong in this section at all. Melchior2006 (talk) 07:16, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Since no one had any arguments for retaining the Howe book in the wrong section, I removed. it. --Melchior2006 (talk) 07:42, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't agree with you. Howe goes into detail about "a small trickle of boys from east European-Jewish families had joined the several dozen German-Jewish boys entering City College each year" back in the 1890s. That beginning was followed by the "great Jewish inpouring to the college." The book by Irving Howe belongs in the section. I will return it there. Iss246 (talk) 15:57, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * This is not your article, Iss246. You do not get to personally dictate its contents especially when other editors disagree with your edits. If you continue edit warring and editing against consensus you will likely end up blocked. ElKevbo (talk) 16:06, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * You have explicitly continued an edit war. Please tell us why we shouldn't ask an administrator to block you as that seems to be the only way to prevent you from edit warring. ElKevbo (talk) 21:47, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Elkevbo, you don't own the site and you don't own me. What I own is the set of books I cite. Iss246 (talk) 21:51, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * This is really getting out of hand. ElKevbo, I think it's time to get help from an administrator. Iss246 isn't willing to talk about issues in a reasonable manner, and we have been patient, but now the matter is becoming clear. -- Melchior2006 (talk) 07:31, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Since there appears to be consensus among 3 of the 4 editors involved in this discussion that the book doesn't belong, I'm removing it again. Iss246, if you restore this content without first demonstrating that consensus has changed then I will ask that you be blocked from editing this article. ElKevbo (talk) 23:37, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * If I may, the book technically counts as media, insofar as books are a type of media. It does not, however, count as popular culture. I'd also surmise that the info about this book could easily be integrated in the "History" section of the article, which already seems to be the case, so mentioning it in the media/pop culture section seems extraneous here. – Epicgenius (talk) 21:45, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree and have previously recommended that Iss246 use the book to see if more information can be added to the article. ElKevbo (talk) 23:37, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Same for the 2019 Goodman book The City Game: Triumph, Scandal, and a Legendary Basketball Team - it may be a good source for adding to the article or editing existing material but it's not appropriate for this section. ElKevbo (talk) 23:39, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * You're right, Goodman should go, too. The section "Media and Pop Culture" is not the place for non-fiction books which cover CCNY; these should be (and are already) referenced periodically throughout the article. Howe is already very well-represented. Iss246 is misunderstanding the purpose of the section. While, as Epicgenius writes, all books are technically media, what we mean here is TV/online journals/magazines/radio/comics and so one. AND: there has to be substantial reference to CCNY in these media, not just cameo roles. -- Melchior2006 (talk) 07:29, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Gaza protests?
The following sentence was recently added to this article:

The City College campus was the site of the "CUNY Gaza Solidarity Encampment", and was host to numerous student demonstrators from across the CUNY system for nearly a week before it was raided by campus police and the NYPD.

I do not know how WP:DUE this is in the long run, but given my involvement with CUNY, I'll leave this alone. However, there are two things I suggest if this sentence is kept:
 * Please consider adding "In 2024" at the beginning of the sentence. This sentence currently has no date.
 * Please consider linking "CUNY Gaza Solidarity Encampment" to List of pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses in 2024

Thanks. – Epicgenius (talk) 13:53, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Goldencat

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Goldencat
No released albums, no established following, promotional in nature. Delete-- Un focused  02:33, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)  (BTW, this is a supposedly a "caucasian internet rap artist" who is "one of the most oppressed") -- Un  focused  02:38, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete agreed with above Sasquatch′↔Talk↔Contributions 03:01, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete nn rapper vanity. --Etacar11 03:18, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete vanity. JamesBurns 04:34, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete: 14 year old who is an Internet rapper, rather than a recording artist. No evidence that his mad rhymes yo have been especially popular or notable or influential, and he is not yet a proper article subject. Geogre 12:10, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, vanity. Harp Heaven 15:22, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, LOL what a wanker!!!! Sweetvermouth3 03:16, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete and lobotomise. It's been a long time between drinks. Alphax τεχ 05:12, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Pathetic drivel.  Postdlf 05:16, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, hahaha, the only thing this article is good for is the humor value it adds to someone's day. Conradrock 05:22, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Mikhail Vorontsov

Mikhail Vorontsov may refer to:

 * Mikhail Semyonovich Vorontsov (1782—1856), Russian prince, field-marshal, statesman
 * Mikhail Illarionovich Vorontsov (1714—1767), Russian count, statesman, diplomat

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Talk:Dover Demon

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Opossum
A theory proposed by the posters on cryptozoology.com (it may not be there anymore) suggested that the Dover Demon might have been a opossum suffering from frost bite. Apparently their ears and tails are prone to being lost to frost bite, giving them an unusual look. Has anyone else heard this theory?

 * Well seems to me to answer the description of a frilled neck lizard seen at night. Why a frilled neck lizard was running around Dover don't ask me. Pool god 14:42, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Frost bite would be difficult in late April, even in Massachusetts it rarely gets that cold even at night. I read in one of the links that  1977 was such an active year for "alien/UFO" sitings.  Coincidentally that was the year "Close Enounters of the Third Kind" was released.  The some of the aliens in that movie are similar to the Dover Demon.

 * Well...I still think it was an opossum. But with nothing to back that up I won't add mention of it to the artical. =( —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.45.124.176 (talk) 03:25, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It's possible, but opossums look almost no different then they usually do when they get frostbite. It seems unlikely that someone would mistake a semi-regular looking opossum for a creature of The Dover Demon's description; not to mention it was late April so it's unlikely any opossum would even get frostbite at this time. But it's not impossible for a frostbitten opossum to be mistaken as a strange creature, especially at night- when people can't see all that well and their imaginations would run wild. Spr.ing peeper (talk) 14:22, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Questions of Credibility
The claim that '[...] no creature created in a work of science fiction was ever found that met the description of the Dover Demon.' seems to be patently false, as 'grey' type aliens were an increasingly common theme at the time - as is mentioned, 'Close Encounters of the Third Kind' (released in November of the same year) bears more than a few similarities. So I've removed it pending a citation to back up the claim. SchmittVanDean 14:47, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Maybe it was just some short, skinny, messed up naked dude.

Haydebn Planetarium
The words 'Hayden Planetarium' redirect to one in New york City, when he was the assisstant director for the onw in Boston. geowhiz1010 22:21, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Chilean link
I found a link bou that chilean guy who took the photo, personally i think its fake cause its blurry, but i dunno hwo to check closer, anyways here is the link http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case380.htm

Jens Christensen 83.72.180.63 20:02, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Is it true that Dover Demon is going to appear in an American comic book series?
I've heard several rumors to that effect, and I'm curious to know if they have a shred of prove to them. Albert Cheng 01:52, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Dover demon.JPG
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Poorly written
This article is in need of much work. Right now it reads like bad sci-fi. There is a definite POV here, as some explanation is given whenever a negative response is brought up. Of course as Wikipedians we are not in a position to judge the merit of such positions, but this is the Dover Demon for Pete's sake. Honestly, no one is going to take this article seriously unless it gets a good, neutral rewrite. What do credible scientists have to say (by credible, I mean not fringe scientists or conspiracy theorists) about the Dover Demon? What was the popular response of society at the time? Now? These are questions that need to be addressed. We aren't the national enquirer. If you want to rave about Dover Demon or Mothman being real, do it on your own website and time. Wikipedia is not the place. Thank you.--Wick3dd (talk) 20:21, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I have something to say about the dover demon.
The dover demon might have been an alien that was left behind on earth, or it might be a newley discovered species that IS native to earth. It is a possibility. --Superscaryguy (talk) 19:03, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

New primate?
I think that the dover demon may be a new species of goat-sized prosimian or ape. It did run bipedally, of which a moose cannot do, and its fingers were adapted for digging for roots, or for probing for the tenderest carrion in a carcass. Its mouth is probably hidden under the head, so that the creature could have superior binocular vision.--Superscaryguy (talk) 12:04, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Bar in Dover?
I grew up in an adjacent town in the 70s, and I don't remember there being a bar in Dover. Does anyone know the name of the bar the three teens say they first saw the creature in front of? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skydog61 (talk • contribs) 00:16, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Expansion
This article is poorly written and underdeveloped, needing significant attention. The history section (which should be renamed sightings) is underdeveloped and needs to be expanded in more detail than what it currently is with more information on how the sightings became public need to be added. Such statements as "The Dover Demon went on to gain worldwide attention, and drew comparison to stories such as that of Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster." give no information or reason as to how that statement is true apart from the citationa and should be elaborated. There should also be a section on its appearances in popular culture as well.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:55, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

OWL?
When I saw the picture of the drawing in this article the first thing that came to mind is a great horned owl, Bubo virginianus. These creatures can be up to 25 inches tall. They can perch almost anywhere including on a stone wall. From ten feet away in a dimly lit area driving past fairly quick I could see how one could see one but not recognize it as an owl. Their eyes will appear to glow yellow or orange. Their beaks can blend into their feathers. In the dark of night their brown feathers may appear as grey. They have long talons that could be mistaken for long slender fingers. Except for their "horns" which are in fact feathers, their heads are rather rounded on top and their body could be mistaken for a long watermelon shaped head. Also, it should be noted that some owls can be afflicted with diseases that will cause some loss of feathers, particularly at the top of the head. Throw in a small tree branch resting on the stone wall and this fits Bartlett's description quite well. Now add in the other two sightings and you have a two mile straight line and owls often will travel in a relatively straight line over fairly long distances. It would have simply been a coincidence that three different people just happened to see said owl rest at the intersections of their flight path and the paths of the three "witnesses." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:9000:FF00:8E:2151:8FFF:10A4:5D53 (talk) 20:26, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ted the Caver

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Ted the Caver
Do we need this...um..."memecruft"? Grutness...  wha?  02:36, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * What exactly is your reason for wanting it deleted? It is a story that has been passed along online since 2002, a bit more information would be great, which could happen. --JE 03:22, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Where shall I start? Will "non-notable" do? How about "Un-encyclopaedic"? Grutness...  wha?  01:27, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * You should have put that first, though, instead of just labelling it 'cruft'! Sonic Mew 14:44, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, being as I'm new to Wikipedia's policies, I'll agree it wasn't very "encyclopaedic". I dislike being flammed, though.--JE 22:34, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * "Cruft" is by definition non-notable. Delete. — Phil Welch 22:20, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Me too - so it's a good thing that no-one was. Grutness...  wha?  07:19, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * 247 Google hits. Delete as non-notable. --Idont Havaname 03:52, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. Notability not established. --Tabor 03:54, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete non notable. JamesBurns 04:35, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete: Memorial to a dead mass-forwarded story. Perhaps it could be found on Snopes, but it oughtn't be found here. Non-encyclopedic. Geogre 12:11, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete As above, not 'cruft', but not notable or encyclopaedic Sonic Mew 14:44, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Notability not established. carmeld1 16:38, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Federal Correctional Institution, Texarkana

The Federal Correctional Institution, Texarkana (FCI Texarkana), is a low-security United States federal prison for male inmates in unincorporated Bowie County, Texas. It is operated by the Federal Bureau of Prisons, a division of the United States Department of Justice. The facility also has an adjacent satellite prison camp for minimum-security male offenders.

FCI Texarkana is located in northeast Texas near the Arkansas border, 70 miles north of Shreveport, Louisiana, and 175 miles east of Dallas, Texas.

Notable incidents
In early 2012, Keith Judd, a FCI Texarkana inmate serving a 17-year sentence for extortion, filed papers to run for president in the 2012 general election, and attained ballot status in the West Virginia Democratic primary. On May 8, 2012, Judd won 41% of the primary vote in West Virginia against incumbent Barack Obama, a higher percentage of the vote in one state than any other primary opponent of Obama had hitherto achieved in 2012 (a figure later surpassed by John Wolfe Jr.'s showing in the Arkansas primary). While this showing would normally have entitled Judd to delegates at the 2012 Democratic National Convention, state officials expressed some uncertainty as to whether Judd had completed the required formalities, such as filing a slate of delegates and completing paperwork. Judd, who has not qualified for any other primary ballots, contested the ballot count, alleging that ballot workers suppressed the actual total (which he said showed him in the lead) in an effort to cover up an Obama loss.

Notable inmates (current and former)
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Colorado State Highway 7

State Highway 7 (SH 7) is an 81.64 mi state highway in Colorado, United States. It is located in the north-central portion of the state, traversing the mountains on the east of the continental divide south of Estes Park as well as portions of the Colorado Piedmont north of Denver. The northwestern segment of the highway is part of the Peak to Peak Scenic Byway and furnishes an access route to Estes Park, Colorado and Rocky Mountain National Park. In its southeast portion it skirts the northern end of the Denver Metropolitan Area, providing an access route connecting Boulder, Lafayette and Brighton with Interstate 25 (I-25) and Interstate 76 (I-76).

The western terminus is at the junction of U.S. Route 36 at North St. Vrain and South St. Vrain avenues in Estes Park. The eastern terminus is at I-76 exit 25 in Brighton. The portion between Lyons and Boulder, where it is concurrent with US 36, is unsigned. The highway is two lanes along the entire route except for portions in the cities and towns.

Route description

From Estes Park, SH 7 climbs into the mountains of southwest Larimer County and skirts the east side of Rocky Mountain National Park, providing the closest vehicle approach to the popular trailhead to the summit of Longs Peak. Near the community of Raymond it intersects State Highway 72, which takes the Peak to Peak Scenic Byway designation with it to the south, while SH 7 turns to the east and follows South St. Vrain Creek downstream onto the piedmont at Lyons, where it intersects US 36. South of Lyons it is concurrent with US 36 along the base of the foothills to Boulder. (This section is signed only as US 36.) It is also concurrent with State Highway 119 on 28th Street within Boulder. It runs straight east from Boulder as the extension of Arapahoe Avenue to U.S. Route 287 (US 287) north of Lafayette, jogging 1 mi to the south while concurrent with US 287, then going due east again, as Baseline Road, to I-25. East of I-25 it jogs 1 mi south, then due east as 160th Avenue (part of the Greater Denver street numbering system) through Brighton to I-76 in the eastern part of Brighton.

History

The route was established in the 1920s. It began at Estes Park and traveled south to Lyons, then south to Boulder. It then continued to its terminus at U.S. Route 87 (now also I-25) east of Lafayette. The route was paved from Boulder to Lafayette in 1932 and from Estes Park to Lyons in 1936. In 1939, the route was extended southeast to Brighton, where it met U.S. Route 6; this extension was paved by 1946. In 2006, the section on Broadway between US 36 and Canyon Boulevard in Boulder was turned back to the City of Boulder, and SH 7 was rerouted to be concurrent (unsigned) with US 36 on 28th Street through Boulder.

Related route
Colorado State Highway 7 Business (SH 7 Bus.) is a 1.592 mi east–west state highway business route in Boulder County, Colorado, United States. SH 7 Bus.'s western terminus is at SH 7 in Allenspark, and the eastern terminus is at SH 7 east of Allenspark.

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User talk:MichaelSnow

William Jennings Bryan
I don't know what's going on with you, but perhaps you could work it out without disrupting Wikipedia by inserting erroneous information? - Nunh-huh 03:04, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Nevermind, I see you're actually an imposter. - 03:10, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Bridal Veil Falls (Utah)

Bridal Veil Falls is a 607 ft double cataract waterfall in the south end of Provo Canyon, close to US189 in Utah, United States. Battle Creek Falls is on a nearby mountain side, approximately 10 miles north of Bridal Veil Falls.

History

 * An aerial tramway service to the top of the falls was built in 1961, and the small, six-passenger tramway functioned as a recreational attraction and as the only access to the mountaintop Eagle's Nest Lodge and restaurant, situated on a cliff at the top of the falls and built by Groneman Construction. When the tramway was in operation prior to the 1996 avalanche, it was heralded as the "world's steepest aerial tramway," although that claim is difficult to ascertain.
 * The falls were a featured point along the route of the Heber Creeper tourist train until the train discontinued its service past the falls, in the late 1980s. The train tracks in front of the falls were removed and converted into a recreational trail. Now, the falls and a small park just west of the falls (Bridal Veil Park) can also be accessed via U.S. Highway 189.
 * In early 1996, an avalanche destroyed the building housing, the tramway machinery, and a gift shop, and they were never rebuilt.
 * In July 2008, an arson fire burned the building at the top of the tramway, and very little remains.
 * In August 2008, the Utah County Sheriff's Office ordered the property owners, the Grow family from Orem, to pull down the remaining cable, fearing adventurers might use it to scale the rocky face by the waterfall.
 * In October 2016, 2 deaths occurred which put the falls in the hot seat for being a dangerous place to hike, noting that there is about 1 death here per year. Rather, in October and November, the rocks can become very slippery due to the rapid temperature change creating thin layers of ice.
 * Starting in April 2017 the remains of the tram and restaurant are to be removed from the site.
 * In early 2023, an avalanche ran down the route of the waterfall, altering its landscape and greenery.

In art, entertainment, and media

 * The movie Savannah Smiles (1982), contains scenes in Provo Canyon, including Bridal Veil falls. The film also shows a scene with characters in the movie riding the tramway when it was still functioning.

It can also be seen in James Bryan's horrorfilm "Don't go in the Woods" from 1981

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User:Mifrank~enwiki

Welcome to my personal site.

I am currently living in Frankfurt (Germany). My interests are very variable, so I won't give examples. I am at Wikipedia since May 1st 2005.

Comments are always welcome.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Poèmes

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Po%E8mes
Atrocious formatting, completely unencyclopedic Tiefighter 02:42, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn vanity. --Etacar11 03:25, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I think this falls under patent nonsense.... delete – ugen64 04:13, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * The article tells us the ISBN of the book that had been copied and pasted wholesale into the article, along with its price in pounds, dollars, and euros. Copyvio. Uncle G 04:33, 2005 Jun 5 (UTC)
 * Delete copyvio. JamesBurns 04:35, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete copyvio. Revolución 19:43, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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Russia in the Eurovision Song Contest

Russia has participated in the Eurovision Song Contest 23 times since its debut in. Russia won the contest with Dima Bilan performing the song "Believe". In, the country failed to qualify for the final for the first time in its history. The Russian entry has been chosen through both internal selections and a televised national final titled Evrovidenie, with its most recent entry being chosen by the latter.

Following its exclusion from the due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, on 26 February 2022, the Russian broadcasters VGTRK and Channel One announced that they would suspend their membership in the European Broadcasting Union (EBU). The EBU made effective the suspension on 26 May, preventing Russia from participating in further Eurovision events unless its membership is resumed.

Contest history
Russia debuted in the contest after becoming a member of the EBU. Russia came second at four contests; in with the song "Solo" performed by Alsou, in  with Dima Bilan's song "Never Let You Go", in  with the song "Party for Everybody" performed by Buranovskiye Babushki, and in  with Polina Gagarina's song "A Million Voices". They also achieved four third-place finishes; in with t.A.T.u's song "Ne ver', ne boysia", Serebro in  with their entry "Song #1", and in  as well as  with Sergey Lazarev's entries "You Are the Only One" and "Scream" respectively.

Russia has failed to qualify for the final on two occasions. In 1996, Russia's entry was Andrey Kosinsky with the song "Ya eto ya", but he scored an insufficient number of points in a special qualifying round, while in 2018 Yulia Samoylova, who represented the country with the song "I Won't Break", failed to qualify from the televised second semi-final.

In 1998, because Russia did not participate in the contest (due to lower average scores in participating in previous competitions), Russia refused to broadcast the competition and the European Broadcasting Union in return forbade the country to participate the following year. According to unconfirmed information, Russia intended to send Tatyana Ovsienko with the song "Solntse moyo" (My Sun), which turned out to be a false rumour as the song was officially released in mid-1997 on Tatyana's album "Za Rozovym morem". Tatyana herself, during an interview, said that she did not go to Eurovision because she was "Either afraid or not very sure, besides, I knew that there were stronger guys and girls, and I thought that I would still have time [to go to Eurovision]."

Russia won their first and so far only contest in 2008, when Dima Bilan, participating for the second time in the contest, won with the song "Believe", bringing the contest to Russia for 2009.

Russia was the most successful country in Eurovision between 2000 and 2009, with one win, two-second places, and two third places. However, in 2010 they finished 11th, and in 2011 they were 16th, which was the worst placing for Russia since 1995. Interest in the competition fell, but in 2012, Buranovskiye Babushki finished in second place, increasing Russia's interest in the show. Russia holds the record for the most top five finishes in the 21st century, with ten, with Sergey Lazarev holding the record of the highest score of any Russian contestant, who finished third in 2016 with 491 points.

In February 2019, Sergey Lazarev was once again confirmed as the Russian representative for the 2019 contest, becoming the second returning artist in Russia's Eurovision history after Dima Bilan, who participated in 2006 and 2008 respectively. This time he represented his country with the song "Scream", with which he brought Russia back to the final for the first time since 2016 and achieved the country's 10th top 5 result, by finishing third once again.

For the 2021 contest, Russia opted to return to a national selection, after Little Big declined to return following their intended participation in the later-cancelled 2020 contest with "Uno". "Russian Woman" performed by Manizha emerged as the winner of the selection, which then went on to finish in 9th place in the final.

Russia had originally planned to participate in the contest, but was excluded from participating by the EBU due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. In response, the Russian broadcasters VGTRK and Channel One announced their intention to suspend their membership in the EBU. The suspension was made effective by the EBU on 26 May, preventing Russia from participating in further Eurovision events unless its membership is resumed.

Broadcast
The contest has been broadcast irregularly on two different public state channels in Russia, both EBU members: in 1994 and 1996 it was broadcast on Russia-1 of VGTRK, while in 1995, 1997 and from 1999 to 2007 the contest was broadcast on Channel One. Since 2008, there is an alternation on broadcast and selection duties, with Russia-1 on even years, and Channel One on odd years. This alternation was disrupted when Russia withdrew from the 2017 contest, after which Channel One assumed broadcast and selection duties in 2018, 2020 and 2021, and Russia-1 in 2019.

Participation overview
Notes:

Commentators and spokespersons
The contest was also aired on radio stations and alternative channels, including Радио 101, commentated by Olesya Trifonova, in 1995. From 2008 until their suspension, Channel One and Russia-1 switched roles to broadcast the contest.

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Habetrot

Habetrot (Habitrot, Habtrot and Habbitrot) is a figure in folklore of the Border counties of Northern England and Lowland Scotland, associated with spinning and the spinning wheel.

Folktale
Habetrot appears in a Selkirkshire folktale which is a variant of the Aarne–Thompson–Uther Index tale type ATU 501, "The Three Old Spinning Women". She is an old, deformed woman who lives underground with a group of other spinsters, all disfigured by their work (some have splayed feet or flat thumbs). The only other named spinster is Scantlie Mab. Habetrot spun yarn for a local girl and then convinced the girl's new husband that she should never spin again. Similar tales appear in countries such as Germany (such as The Three Spinners) and Norway (The Three Aunts).

Other Legends
According to the folklore of the borders, it was considered unlucky to step upon "unchristened ground" (the graves of stillborn or unbaptised children) and any who did were said to catch "grave-merels" (or "grave-scab") an illness that causes difficulty of breathing and trembling limbs as well as the burning of the skin as if touched by a hot iron. The only way to relieve this was for the afflicted to wear a sack made from linen grown in a field using manure from a farmyard that has not been disturbed for forty years, spun by Habetrot, bleached by an honest bleacher in an honest miller's milldam and sewed by an honest tailor.

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Talk:Red Dwarf Remastered

NPOV, anyone?
I agree with everything on this page. However it reads a lot like "They remade Red Dwarf and I hate it". Yes, the computer graphics were totally crap. Frankly I found the model shots very realistic, whereas the CG just always, always looked like CG. Now, can anything objective be said on this page, rather than just "Many felt that". Was there actually an "outcry" or was it just lots of people like me, angry and grumpy, but silent? Stevage 23:35, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * In the US the Remastereds were received as a big improvement. We used to joke that the original series seemed like a parody of Thunderbirds rather than Star Wars!  Since Star Wars was getting its Special Edition improvement in '97, it seemed good timing to show whose side you were on and go with improving Red Dwarf too and lose all that cutesy model stuff.  That's how we saw it then, and I'm pretty sure that view was never revised, so it'll be interesting to see how the Bodysnatchers set will sell over here.
 * Whatever. The facts remain that Red Dwarf Remastered is a crappened version of the first three series, and that series VII and VIII are terrible, stupid series to anyone with intelligence.  Of course we'll fighting our ground against stupid people but facts are facts.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.144.204.125 (talk) 17:59, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

DVD Releases
I've added details of releases in continental Europe of the Remastered versions.White43 11:17, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Odd sentence
I've removed this sentence from Fan Reaction:

"The filmizing process resulted in degraded picture quality." This is POV.White43 22:10, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Old comment - but this isn't POV. The primitive field-removal technique they used to filmise the video does degrade the picture quality - throwing away half of the spatial and temporal resolution of the image. By any objective technical standard, the picture is of a lower quality after being processed. It's only from a subjective personal POV that it could be considered an improvement. Marwood (talk) 20:39, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Remastered Broadcast dates
Is there anywhere I can find out the transmission dates of the Remastered episodes? Most info reads along the lines of: 'The remastered edition of The End aired as part of the show's tenth anniversary. The rest of the series followed soon after'

CGI additions
Re-removing the claims of CGI additions to live-action shots as no-one has provided a CGI example as yet. Skutters, flames, heads etc. were compositied from live-action plates. Also changed the funeral description back to 'heads' in the foreground - as they ARE heads. What would floating rocks be doing at a funeral? 86.144.204.125 15:40, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Also taken out the bizarre claim of a Cat caption, which does not appear on any master tape or home release. Credited example, please? 86.144.204.125 15:40, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Updated: Please stop ignoring the edits unless you are able to provide accurate examples of CGI being added to live-action elements, or the other details. 86.144.204.125 15:40, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

 * What more do you want besides the extended polymorph introduction? We can't list every single addition of CGI to the remastered series - better to keep the list concise and to the point. 86.144.204.125 15:40, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

 * What more do I want? Truthfully, that a change be given consideration before being reverted - why keep re-inserting 'floating rocks' and a made-up caption? 86.144.204.125 15:40, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

 * This "floating rocks / made up caption" thing was already there and I didn't notice I was putting them back in when I was reverting your other change. My reversion also sorted out a slightly dodgy spacing edit you'd made with your deletion.  Anyway it said "shuffling rocks" but I don't suppose this alters the point.  Until the Bodysnatcher DVD comes out it remains an elusive special effect to me and I don't know whether it's suppose to be shuffling rocks as the article said before (to give perspectival depth to the scene I would presume) or floating heads like you say (presumably the disembodied heads of people from previous funerals, which is a bit macabre?)  Anyway I'm not fussed as to exactly what this special effect is meant to be, as it'll be explained with the DVD documentary and we can put the article right then. 86.144.204.125 15:40, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

However, on this point maybe it's the original article wording that's at fault. The line reads "applied to particular scenes", which suggest augmentation to existing filmed scenes ("applied to" rather than "replaced"). The Polymorph example simply replaces an existing model shot, it is not a CGI application to existing footage. Nor is there an example available from The End, despite the sentence stating that these changes are especially prevalent in that episode. 86.144.204.125 15:40, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

My feeling would be that we already have CGI model replacements covered at least twice in the preceding points, and unless there are other examples of CGI being laid over actual scenes, it's best to leave it there. For the list to be well-organised and sensible, including the same model effects more than twice churlish. 86.144.204.125 15:40, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Well, to be fair, both of these "CGI model replacements" bits concern different aspects of remastered. There's the replaced models of Red Dwarf in space, and the article observes the impact this has on the mood of the programme.  Then we address the new CGI crafts including the newly modelled Blue Midget.  I'd argue that this relevantly covers a different aspect of remastered and isn't just repetition of the same point.  Before it came to our attention that the skutters and other elements inserted into scenes were actually physical models bluescreened in, the rest of the visual alterations came into a third category described as "CGI elements added to live-action screens".  Thinking about what you've said I think that these elements should be described simply as bluescreen ones, as you've been saying, but we should introduce a third example of CGI to the list - one that covers miscellaneous, non-ship based CGI alterations.  This would need to be broken up to include entirely new effects sequences like the tunnel into backwards earth, the polymorph introduction etc, but also the alterations to scenes such as Rimmer glitching in Queeg.  How does this sound to you? 86.144.204.125 15:40, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Well, I'd say that the time hole comes under space and model effects, along with the dust storm or any nebula the ships pass. It's all one thing. And the vent replaces a model shot - a push in on a hole in the hull - with a CGI shot that begins aoutside the ship. They're still ship exterior model sequences, really. The glitching Rimmer isn't CGI at all, though. It's another Avid composite trick. 86.144.204.125 15:40, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Fine, but I'm going to leave the article as it is for now until I find another breach of fact or other suddenly creeping in that particularly annoys me. For the first time ever that list is readable and in a sensible order.  You can change Rimmer's glitching for the pedal bin if you like but I don't think it matters.  And also I'd argue that there's a difference between the replaced model shots and CGI transition scenes without ships.  The latter need to be mentioned at least, and why bundle them in with the former when you'd then need to alter what stands as a good explanation of the model shots being replaced with CGI? 86.144.204.125 15:40, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Still, I finally found a live-action/CGI element! The swing-bin fix in The End! It may be the only full-on example, but I stand corrected that there is one at all! 86.144.204.125 15:40, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

 * See above. I appreciate some of the other changes you've made but I disagree with the use of the word "hologrammatic" which, despite its use in the programme, isn't a real word.  Putting "hologrammatic" into wikipedia indeed redirects to "hologram" but this doesn't negate the point since anyone can make such a link, and anyway this then points to "holography".  If we're being descriptive and authoritative we need to ensure we don't just use words we've acquired from the characters.  As an actual fact of description, Rimmer is holographic, and we should describe him as such in the article.  We could say 'despite being what the other characters called "hologrammatic"' but this seems unnecessarily long-winded, and quite unnecessary given the purpose of wikipedia.  Best place is "made-up words" in the main Red Dwarf article. 86.144.204.125 15:40, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

However, I'll leave you to think it over. I will, however, be correcting some other factual glitches (such as the 'tin can' in the opening titles, which only appears on DVD intro menus for non-remastered episodes). Before reverting, I'd appreciate the opportunity to debate if you're absolutely certain of the facts. 86.144.204.125 15:40, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

 * I've made the changes that I was suggesting above. Hopefully they'll allow us all to get back to our lives! 86.144.204.125 15:40, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Yeah, I should probably get me one of those... 86.144.204.125 15:40, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Added Heads
Just to be clear - the 'objects' added to the funeral scene of The End are heads. They are meant to be people attending the funeral, with the camera just catching the tops of their heads. People were filmed from behind in front of bluescreen and composited in. This is not hypothesis, just simple fact. 86.144.204.125 15:39, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Why this doesn't make sense to some users, yet 'amorphous blobs' or 'floating rocks' (?!?!) does is beyond me. Look at the tapes - since when do rocks have bald spots? 86.144.204.125 15:39, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Well it's subjective isn't it, that's why people have this view or any other interpretation. Rocks don't have bald spots, and there was never any suggestion they were floating.  Rocks have various reasons why they're lighter in some places than in others.  Bleaching from the sun, erosion, lichen etc.  Nobody ever said they were "floating rocks with bald patches".  I posted ages ago that they were "shuffling rocks" because I thought that's what they were, and that they had been added because GNP were unhappy with the lack of perspective in the room or something.  A pile of rocks though, with the occasional one teetering, not "floating".  Somebody else put something about them being amorphous shapes as it seems fair to keep this unopinionated until that rather vague special effect is finally explained on the DVD.  I'm not going to continue an edit war, though, so they can stay as "heads" since it's as good an explanation as any, and I doubt that many people will come here and be mislead in the meantime if you're wrong. 86.144.204.125 15:39, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not wrong, it's not opinion. I've directed the new documentary - hence I know that the heads belong to Ed, Doug, Mark the editor and his assistant. But even if I didn't you need only look at the episode. They are head-shaped heads that look like heads. See also: almost any fan article about this addition. It's easy to research, and they all recognised them. I just figured the article shouldn't suffer just because of two fans' eyesight! 86.144.204.125 15:39, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry I wasn't involved in this debate earlier, looks like it's been fun! I have to say that I too had no idea what those things were supposed to be in the funeral scene, so it's wrong to say "you only need to look at the episode".  It's Rorschach as far as I'm concerned and you'll easily see them as heads if you KNOW they are heads. 86.144.204.125 15:39, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

The Starbug is a children's show train?
Can someone fix this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

 * Percy, his name is. Thanks for pointing this out - now fixed.  81.157.212.157 15:55, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Argh I've accidentally put Percy back in! 81.157.201.189 16:24, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

LOL Percy's back in again! Don't you see? Starbug is green and so is Percy! So they are the same!! It's funny putting him in the Red Dwarf Remastered article, don't you agree? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.144.204.125 (talk) 14:03, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

 * It's not especially funny. But even if it were, this is an information site. The Remastered episodes are coming out on DVD shortly, searches for information are becoming more prevalent, and it's better that users be provided simple facts rather than one person's 'comedy'. 91.104.93.162 20:22, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Well, it is funny. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.144.204.125 (talk) 14:17, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

 * LOL look at that old Persil there. 86.144.204.125 15:38, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Why is everyone flaunting the same signature in this damn coop?
Why in Dobbin's name is everyone flaunting the same signature in this damn coop? It's confusing. 81.132.254.74 16:02, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I've added a picture of Gemini 12
I've supplemented the pictures of other remastered ships with a new one of Gemini 12 from Tikka to Ride Remastered. It's captured from the DVD and hope this doesn't break any copyright laws. If it does we can always take it down. 86.133.14.35 20:40, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Yes, you're adding two "humorous" pictures to the article. I'm sure we're all impressed. --Rawfully 20:48, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your support but it seems you've accidentally removed them from the article. I've put them back.  86.133.14.35 20:58, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Unfortunately, I'm afraid that pictures of Percy the Engine and a pair of Nike trainers don't quite adequately illustrate space vessels such as Starbug or the Gemini 12. But thank you for your contributions, anyway. --Rawfully 21:03, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Since when were you quality control? Please keep this a reasonable debate or stop reverting my edits.  86.133.14.35 21:12, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for locking the article
Thanks to whoever locked the article. However you realise you've "locked in" the vandalised version? It contains incorrect pictures and misinformation. 208.105.10.10 23:08, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Erm, no it doesn't. The version that exists now is the unvandalised version. Seb Patrick 14:43, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:RedDwarfShip.jpg
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BetacommandBot (talk) 10:16, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

 * How long before deletion of this picture is implemented? Anything we can do to speed it up?  :)  86.141.193.252 (talk) 16:32, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Added valid "non-free/fair use rationale" to image. -- Nreive (talk) 09:53, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

A discovery - Balance of Power Remastered
I've discovered something strange... if you check out Ed Bye's promotional trailers for Red Dwarf Remastered, you'll notice that the "after" version of Lister's biking to the bunk room (in the Balance of Power clip) has new moving stars and nebulae added outside the window, until Lister says "lights" and the stuff outside the window disappears, as if a result of the contrast with the lit room. However - check it with the final remastered version of Balance of Power, and you'll see that the window has been left as per the unremastered episode. Anybody else notice this before? 86.132.202.76 (talk) 16:32, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Rimmers Mother
Have just watched the remastered version of polymorph. Anyone know why the voice of Rimmers Mom was re-dubbed and what was wrong with the original ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.149.134.40 (talk) 22:50, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * See Polymorph. The makers felt that the original voice didn't fit in with Mrs Rimmer's posh character. Nreive (talk) 10:03, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Once again - very stupid of them. Have they recognised that they were wrong to do this or do they still not fundamentally understand the series?  I don't hold out much hope for the forthcoming series X since the people making it still haven't acknowledged how crap series 8 was!  It'll be clownish falling and fart jokes from start to finish!  81.159.52.5 (talk) 10:39, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Was the yellowish background colour an error, then?
For series 3 remastered, one of the main visual changes was the stripping out of the yellowish background colour which I always considered intrinsic to the series 3-5 aesthetic. As visible below: thumb

Was the yellowish colour an error, then? A shame that one of the things I always considered central to the character of the series was probably an error with the tape or recording process, and something the makers wanted to remove. 92.40.220.60 (talk) 03:19, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

A horrible voice
A horrible voice ruins the "Re-Dwarf" documentary on the Bodysnatcher disc. I wonder why the BBC chose such a crap narrator. Longacre Broomuncle (talk) 07:41, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
 * That's the voice of Andrew Ellard, one of the main Red Dwarf fans. I think he runs a fan magazine or convention or something, and he was picked so that the narration would seem more objective.  They could have gone with Robert Llewellyn but it would have made it seem like a more internal project.  86.135.75.159 (talk) 17:59, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

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This Last Night in Sodom

This Last Night in Sodom is the third full-length album by the English synth-pop duo Soft Cell. It was released on 16 March 1984, about a month after the duo (Marc Almond and David Ball) publicly announced they were dissolving the partnership. The album peaked at number 12 in the UK Album Chart, and would be Soft Cell's last album for 18 years.

Background
The album represents a shift in style from the delicate, erotic, dancefloor-friendly pop of their earlier records and contains a more eclectic mix of styles as well, from the Spanish-influenced "L'Esqualita" (inspired by the drag bar in New York City called "La Escuelita") to the rockabilly-tinged "Down in the Subway". The thematic elements of the songs are also noticeably darker, even for Soft Cell, and center around self-destruction and the breakdown of innocence. "Meet Murder My Angel", according to Almond, is about the mind of a murderer before he slaughters his victim, while "Where Was Your Heart (When You Needed It Most)" centres on a girl who loses all self-esteem after being raped while intoxicated. The first single from the album was "Soul Inside", which reached number 16 on the UK charts in September 1983. "Down in the Subway" was released as the second single, peaking at number 24 in March 1984.

The artwork was originally printed entirely in red and gold ink, down to the liner notes, lyrics, LP labels, and serial number. The album was largely a critical success, but ultimately received little commercial attention, and has since gone out of print. A remastered version with bonus tracks, which included a 12" single mix of "Soul Inside", a cover version of the theme from the James Bond film You Only Live Twice, and "Her Imagination", cut during a session at the BBC, was also released. Although physical releases of this version have since gone out of print, digital copies remain available.

Track listing

 * 1) "Mr. Self Destruct" – 3:12
 * 2) "Slave to This" – 5:04
 * 3) "Little Rough Rhinestone" – 4:33
 * 4) "Meet Murder My Angel" – 4:39
 * 5) "The Best Way to Kill" – 4:43
 * 6) "L'Esqualita" – 7:03
 * 7) "Down in the Subway" – 2:51
 * 8) "Surrender to a Stranger" – 3:38
 * 9) "Soul Inside" – 4:25
 * 10) "Where Was Your Heart (When You Needed It Most)" – 5:09

Extra tracks on remastered CD: Some Bizzare / Mercury (558,267-2, June 1998)

 * 1) "Disease and Desire" – 4:02 [B-side of "Down in the Subway"]
 * 2) "Born to Lose" – 2:52 [B-side of "Down in the Subway" 12"]
 * 3) "You Only Live Twice" – 4:30 [B-side of "Soul Inside"]
 * 4) "007 Theme" – 3:34 [B-side of "Soul Inside" 12"]
 * 5) "Soul Inside" (12" mix) – 11:57
 * 6) "Her Imagination" – 5:21 [B-side of "Soul Inside" double 7"]

Personnel
with:
 * Soft Cell
 * Marc Almond – vocals, percussion, (guitar on "The Best Way to Kill")
 * David Ball – keyboards, instruments, bass, guitar, percussion
 * Gary Barnacle – saxophone
 * Gini Ball – vocals
 * Richard Smith – liner notes (1998 re-issue)

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The Baby Squad

The Baby Squad is a dystopian thriller by Andrew Neiderman first published in 2003. Set in the United States in the not-too-distant future, the novel envisages a future American society where giving birth to children is illegal and where only few women are biologically able to reproduce.

Plot introduction
Perfect babies are created in laboratories outside the woman's womb and then put up for adoption. When the wife of an aspiring local politician becomes pregnant she reluctantly confides in her husband and is secretly sent to an institution where she can spend the remaining months of her pregnancy and give birth to her baby. However, she feels imprisoned and threatened there and starts doubting her husband's good intentions.

Explanation of the novel's title
The "baby squad" of the title is a voluntary communal organisation led by a militant woman which has formed to root out dissidents.

title: The Baby Squad


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Aguas Verdes

Aguas Verdes (literally "green waters"), is a town in the Zarumilla Province of the Tumbes Region in northwestern Peru. It has a population of 2,390 (1999) and is capital of the Aguas Verdes District.

Aguas Verdes is located in the border with Ecuador. An international bridge that goes over the Zarumilla River connects it with the Ecuadorian town of Huaquillas. Both towns have an intense commercial life and many formal, as well as informal street sellers that sell goods both in Peruvian soles and US dollars, which is the only currency in Ecuador.

A free transit agreement exists and people from both countries can travel freely between these towns. Peruvian and Ecuadorian immigration control posts are located further inland to both sides of the border.

Aguas Verdes is located 27 km northeast of Tumbes, the regional capital. Since it is a rather chaotic town, tourists are advised to take a cab when visiting Aguas Verdes.

The northern terminus of the Pan-American Highway, the largest road in the country, is located in Aguas Verdes at the border crossing.

title: Aguas Verdes