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Talk:New Britain Party

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I don't know much about this party but there may be some errors in this article. If anyone with better knowledge can assist in cleaning it, this would be appreciated.

Firstly, I can't reconcile the character of Patrick Moore with the "infamously chaired by TV astronomer Patrick Moore" reference. I can't think that he would do anything infamously. Does it mean that the fact that he was associated with the party at all was infamous or that he chaired it in an infamous manner? In any event it's probably POV.

Does the NBP still organise an annual March for Freedom from Runnymede to Westminster if it's now just one man?

I don't think the UKIP supports any other political party, but the statement that NBP is supported by them seems questionable.

User:DavidFarmbrough 13:50 (BST) 15 JUN 2005

Intruiged by this question, I did some Google searches. Searching on New Britain Party, I found very little about the party itelf, but literally hundreds of pages referring to the past membership of the party of UKIP's Nattrass and Titford, always with the implication that this shows UKIP to be 'Brownshirts in Blazers". The original text references, much duplicated, seems to come from the Britain in Europe website and from this Wikipedia article.

Googling on "New Britain Party" + "March for Freedom" I found literally nothing except repetitions of this Wikipedia article in the usual places.

Googling on "March for Freedom" + "Runnymede" I found two pages on the website of the all-party Campaign for an Independdent Britain. These referred to the march taking place in 1998 and 1999, and said it was organised by the Anti Maastrict Alliance (a eurosceptic umbrella group, now nearly defunct, which so far as I can tell had nothing to do with the NBP though it may have been connected with UKIP).

I therefore conclude (a) that the annual March for Freedom was organised by the Anti Maastricht Allaince, not the NBP and (b) that so far as I can tell, the march hasn't taken place since 1999. I am therefore amending the NBP article to remove any mention of the march. [Twilde 4/12/05]

This article is identical to that on http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/New_Britain_Party. I don't know which was copied from the other.Chile Nose Jam (talk) 16:02, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That site is a mirror of Wikipedia. Fences  &  Windows  21:34, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

 * A party which opposes immigration isn't therefore "white nationalist", or "avowedly racist"!203.184.41.226 (talk) 06:53, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Website link
Hi, the website linked (newbritain.com) no longer appears to be associated with the party. Should it be replaced by a wayback machine link? 31.50.4.56 (talk) 10:44, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

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Sepet

Sepet (English: Slit Eyes) is a 2005 Malaysian Malay-language teen romantic comedy-drama film set in Ipoh, Malaysia. Directed by Yasmin Ahmad, it tells of a love that blooms between a Chinese boy and a Malay girl. Sepet is a Malay word which, in this context, refers to the 'slit eyes' of the Chinese.

Plot
A 19-year-old Ah Loong (who also called himself "Jason") is in charge of a stall selling unlicensed VCDs. Contrary to the stereotype of his social standing, Ah Loong is an incurable romantic with an unlikely hobby: he loves to read and write poetry. Quite content with being the Romeo of the slums, Ah Loong's life takes a sudden turn one day when a Malay schoolgirl, Orked, comes to his stall looking for films starring her favourite actor, Takeshi Kaneshiro. Love blossoms between Orked and Ah Loong, although social and racial pressures stand in their way.

In the end, Ah Loong is involved in a motor vehicle accident while Orked is going to England to pursue her studies. It is not clear if he lived or died until the sequel, Gubra which shows that Jason died. After the credits finish rolling however, Orked is shown sleeping beside Jason, both wearing a wedding ring. In Mukhsin, the third instalment, Jason and the adult Orked are shown to be living together. However, the adult Orked is not called by her name in this scene as the young Orked is.

Cast

 * Choo Seong Ng as Jason aka Ah Loong
 * Sharifah Amani as Orked
 * Linus Chung as Keong
 * Mei Ling Tan as Mah, Ah Loong's mother
 * Ida Nerina as Mak, Orked's mother
 * Harith Iskander as Abah, Orked's father
 * Adibah Noor as Kak Yam
 * Kar Hoong Thor as Pah, Ah Loong's father
 * Zehan Marissa as Lin

Sequels
The sequel to Sepet, called Gubra, was filmed in Ipoh, Malaysia and released in 2006. The third movie in Yasmin Ahmad's Orked trilogy is a prequel to both Sepet and Gubra, titled Mukhsin.

Adaptations
Theatre company Liver & Lung debuted a musical adaptation of Sepet in September 2019. Shafeeq Shajahan directed the adaptation, with music and lyrics by Shajahan and Badrish. The adaptation was a critical success, winning Best Direction at the BOH Cameronian Arts Awards in 2020. Joshua Anthony Gui and Badrika Baluch played the roles of Jason and Orked in the adaptation, receiving positive reviews. Theatre critic website Critic Republic wrote that the musical had an "unexpected quality, where audiences all cried, laughed and smiled together."

Songs from the musical were released on Spotify in July 2021, to celebrate Yasmin Ahmad's 12 year death anniversary.

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

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Talk:Sienna Miller

Get, rid, of, the, commas
— Heading-only unsigned comment added by 193.92.138.201 (talk) 14:18, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Done? -- AstroU (talk) 09:57, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Neutrality
This article is not neutral, and never will be. 150.204.49.17 13:51, Aug 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * This troll put NPOV tags on several, apparently randomly selected articles. To make an NPOV dispute you have to say what it is. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 16:00, August 19, 2005 (UTC)

What's the deal with comparisson to Kate Moss in several occassions?! The article is actually slamming down Sienna Miller. Wikipedia is supposed to be neutral and not judge what people do with their lifes. Please!! Let's keep Wikipedia credible.

I agree. This article is gossipy and includes information that does not belong in an encyclopedia -- the aim of which is to be short, factual, neutral. (Truthbody (talk) 00:51, 6 December 2008 (UTC))

Exactly! Sienna Miller has been nominated for Razzie Award in 2010, but wiki-clowns keep deleting this information saying it's "vandalism". This is not an encyclopedia, it's a biased collection of information from internet-trolls. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.205.181.248 (talk) 18:33, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * First off, calling other editors "wiki-clowns" is not only a very pathetic attempt at put-down but it is also against WP:NPA. If you can't maintain some semblance of maturity, don't venture to a place where you have to play with others. Second of all, a consensus was reached to not include awards like the Razzies in articles because they're not a legitimate award. If you want to complain about that, open an RfC and change the current consensus. The article currently contains content that supports Miller's notability. I don't see anything overly complementary or negative which is in line with policy. Unless you can point out some troublesome content, I think we're done here.  Pinkadelica ♣  19:37, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, you've just proved all my points. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.205.181.248 (talk) 21:46, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

American?
I really don't think its fair to call her "an American actress and model". She was raised in Britain, has a British accent, and considers herself British. The fact that she was born in American, and (presumbly) carries American citizen ship does not make her American.

 * She was born in America so there is no questions that she an American citizen. Her parents are American and South African.  I could find no proof that she holds British citizenship.  Her only claim to Britain is that she has lived there a long time. There is proof that she is American and none that she is British, so it would be not be consistent with the facts to call her British.  Maybe 'British raised American' would be an appropriate tittle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.224.218.206 00:51, 5 August 2006 (UTC)|--63.224.218.206 00:51, 5 August 2006 (UTC)]] (63.224.218.206 00:51, 5 August 2006 (UTC)|talk]] • 63.224.218.206 00:51, 5 August 2006 (UTC)|contribs]])

 * Instead of going over this, yet again, as this has been discussed below, why not just contact PFD, which is her agency and ask? There website is www.pfd.co.uk. I don't have time to make the necessary enquiries, but until someone can prove she's not English (again, distinguishing from British, which is a nationality) the point remains that she's an 'American-born English' actress and model. Cheerio, Roche-Kerr 10:57, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

look here: she has both american and british passports and has lived in england from the age of 1 years old i think its very hard to say shes american even though shes lived here nearly all her life "ameican born-english actrees" sound rightVeggiegirl (talk) 13:09, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I'd agree to that, and thanks for the link (definitely answers the question). Roche-Kerr (talk) 14:36, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Yet this was never corrected. Technically speaking, she's British-American. Born in New York, she has both British and American passports, however, still raised and educated in the UK.SchumiChamp (talk) 20:03, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

She was born in the US, has American citizenship and her father is American. Why is any addition of her being American repeatedly removed from the lead? It is her nationality and citizenship as well as her ancestry, even if she considers herself English only, which it isn't clear that she does anyway. Jim Michael (talk) 02:07, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

 * Sienna cannot possibly be British AND American, quite simply because the American government does not allow their citizens to hold dual nationality, plain and simple!

 * Sienna Miller is a British citizen, she lives in Britain, holds a British Passport, and pays her taxes to the British Government. She is emphatically NOT American, no matter her father's nationality. If anyone doesn't like that it's too bad, but it's the truth. Alidiginous (talk) 20:38, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

 * Everyone born in the US has American citizenship from birth. Why is she described in the lead as English, yet her sister Savannah Miller is described as American in the lead of her article? Jim Michael (talk) 09:50, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

 * Further, in the Personal Life section, I wanted to read about her life as a youth, not just her dating. Where was she born in America? What of her parents and their children?  Personal life is not just about her current love life.  At least the section talks about her children with Jude Law; but what about her prior personal life.  Most WP articles cover the early life and I would assume most other WP editors and readers would also be interested. TIA, thanks in advance, AstroU (talk) 10:03, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
 * To answer my own question(s), I just read her 'Early life' section. -- ✅ -- AstroU (talk) 10:23, 30 January 2015 (UTC) -- Over, and out. TNKS; THE ARTICLE LOOKS GREAT TO ME. Thanks, Again.
 * I can't find a source that actually makes her british. She's american, and the source that is listed for her britishness is a link to a wikiarticle, which, is most certainly not a reliable source!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:CA0D:8C00:2C41:B105:34E8:1C47 (talk) 22:20, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Controversial
This article is controversial. --Anilocra II 10:27, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 * This user is vandalizing WP and putting tags on articles at random, usually with no comments on talks. Qaz  ( talk ) 10:44, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Nationality/ethnicity
Does she have an English citizenship? If not, despite whatever she considers herself to be, she isn't English. For now, I'm putting her under the American categories because we know for sure she has American citizenship. Also, is her mother of English/South African descent or something like that? JackO'Lantern 07:35, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

If she was born in the US she would have US citizenship. She would then have British citizenship through her father, and SA citizenship through her mother. She almost certainly owns a British passport as her "main" one, but probably, as she travels/works in the US has one of those too (even tho the US tell you can't have one of theirs plus another passport, even if you hold multiple citizenship). Just go find sme candids of her in an airport and see what she's clutching. And, if you're going to categorise her as american, i'd move the quote where she asserts her Britishness into the main article. Amo 15:28, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I put in "she considers her nationality English" under Early life. Why would she have British citizenship under her father? Is he British? I thought he was an American banker? Anyway, until we see a good source that she has British citizenship we can't really call her "British" (I.e. I don't think they even call Madonna British, and she must have British citizenship). JackO'Lantern 16:27, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Wow, there's me not paying attention; i just assumed her dad was English. I guess we'll just have to assume she's american/South african or naturalised british. But she's a bit of a different case to Madonna, as Miller moved here so young. I mean, Madonna is eligable to live and work here through her marriage to an english man, but i doubt she's dropped her US citizenship. Amo 19:57, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I guess we'll find out eventually if she has any other citizenship than American... JackO'Lantern 19:58, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

There is no such thing as 'English Citizen', she can be a British Citizen and a US Citizen, but she can also be English, as it's a national idenity, not a citizenship. There is a reason our passports say 'British Citizen' (or whichever citizenship the British national may hold) while we refer to 'England' or 'Scotland' or 'Wales' as our home. Thus, 'American-born English actress' is more appropriate, as she considers herself English, regardless of citizenship, which seems to be a US way of defining someone, rather than their cultural orientation. Nick Kerr 11:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Yes, 'American-born English actress' is a very good was of phrasing it. Although it should be noted that a passport never (in my experience of being a dual US/UK citizen) records any other citizenship than the one is represents.
 * Another thing that occurred was the question of her parents marrige at the time of her birth? Were they? I think America grants citizenship to anyone born there, but that's not the case in every country if your mother is foriegn. I'll check that one out.Amo 12:44, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well again, are you saying that anyone who considers themselves "English" and calls themselves "English" is automatically English? "English" is a nationality. If you're saying she's "an American-born English actress", you're saying she was born in the US but she is of English nationality - and nationality is attained only through citizenship - i.e. being an official member of a country. The fact that her cultural orientation is English is relevant - and is noted under "Early life" (i.e. "she considers her nationality English"), but we're reporting what she factually "is" - and although it's possible she has an English citizenship/passport, it certainly isn't a certainty and I haven't seen anything to that fact, although I am looking. She may have South African citizenship because of her mother, but that's about it. JackO'Lantern 17:44, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, i think it's fair to call her English if that's how she wishes to be identified. Perhaps "British" would be better (although i personally think that turn of phrase binds it more to a citizenship issue. I mean, i would never say "i am an English citizen". i think that's more about identity)...If you really have a problem with it, how about "an American-born actress currently based in the UK"?Amo 18:09, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

But she's not just UK-based, she's English. She may have a US passport, or a British passport, or what not, but if she culturally identifies herself as English that's what she is. If someone identifies themself as a New Englander or a Californian, they are simply stating cultural identity, not their passport's colour. And that is what matters, I am not trying to take away from her US-birth, simply that she is English (maybe British, that needs to be shown). Nick Kerr 18:24, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well I admit this is a complicated issue - maybe more than I thought. I guess I'll just go on the assumption that she has English citizenship for now. JackO'Lantern 22:27, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * As I said, she doesn't have to have British citizenship to be English, and there is no such thing as an 'English citizen'. She simply can be an 'American-born English actress' =) Nick Kerr 22:45, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I changed it to the "ethnically" comment, because i think your ethnicity more a matter of opinion. "nationally" is more a matter of fact, and we just don't know the facts in this case. How about "culturally", or "despite her birth, she considers herself English"?Amo 20:13, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well "ethnicity" usually means someone's ethnic makeup. i.e. half Polish and half Italian, or something like that. I mean, for all we know, she isn't English at all by ethnicity. "Culturally" definitely works, though. JackO'Lantern 20:22, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd have to agree. Why not just 'she considers herself English', removing the issue of nationality or ethnicity. Cheers, Nick Kerr 22:05, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

My only quibble with simple using the phrase "she considers herself English" is that it's quite conspicuously blunt. It rather sticks out, especially as it's under her "early life" and it's not really/only a facet of that.Amo 22:27, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe more relevant under Personal life, then? JackO'Lantern 23:23, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * That could work Nick Kerr 09:24, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

The identification as English, rather than British, should stay, especially as it keeps being reverted to something that is cumbersome and does not serve any real point. If Miss Miller considers herself English, and the English consider her English, and she lives in England, then it would follow that she's English. Her identity is thus not particularly disputable. While the issue of national identity has more prominence in the UK (and BOTs), and is not as easily defined by foreign conventions (though most Europeans understand the system), it should be respected as it is. By my understanding, and everyone I know, she would be considered English, though the matter of British is a question of the greater concept of 'Britain' and her passport status. As she further believes herself to be English, and lives here, I fail to see any points of contention. I was also born in the States, have lived in England for less time than she has, but I've only ever known the Americans to consider this to be important, and to have ever considered me American, while Europeans, other Britons (I only have a British passport, so this can't be disuputed), and Commonwealth citizens would think me English. Thus, beyond ignorance, why is this constantly being reverted? Roche-Kerr 18:13, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It should say what reliable sources say, i.e. WP:V. So if the majority of sources say she is English (I think they do, right?) that's what we should say. If there's also a significant majority of reliable sources that says "American", I guess it could be "English/American" or "American/English" Mad Jack 18:20, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think anyone is contesting that she is American, hence my frustration with this. Having just checked over Google, and not being the biggest fan of 'on the balance of probabilities', she is listed as being, on various links 'American', 'British', and 'English'. I don't think anyone is arguing where she was born. Also, you'd use 'Anglo-American' if saying someone is English and American =) Roche-Kerr 18:47, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh well, are you happy with the way the article is now? It seems fine Mad Jack 21:41, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, just numbered non-users keep reverting it to 'Culturally English', which is getting quite irritating.Roche-Kerr 00:19, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
 * If someone considers themselves English or any other background/culture/nationality just from living in the respective country and acting with similar mannerisms, it should be pointed out as such. She was born in the US, with a US born father and South African born Mother.  You don't become English just because you really want to or that you live there.  If I lived in China my whole life but my parents were not Chinese and I was not born in China, I would not be Chinese or Asian. I may consider myself Chinese but it doesn’t change the fact that I am not. If one thinks of themselves English fine, but it should be pointed out why and who considers it.--63.167.255.231 12:41, 1 January 2007 (UTC)(me)
 * And that's fine, but not in the opening line of the article (and it is referenced), it's fine if it's mentioned later (though her early life information does explain her moving to England). Furthermore, you might not be ethnically Chinese, but if you speak fluent Chinese, live in Hong Kong, and consider yourself Chinese, I fail to see how you are not. As I've said earlier, the perception by any other English person would be that she is English, she considers herself English, and she lives in England. By your logic, I cannot be English because I wasn't born here, and while my father is British, he's of Cornish descent, not Anglo-Saxon. So she may be referenced as to her motivations for feeling English (as may be possible), but the opening lines should remain.Roche-Kerr 13:03, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
 * If your father is British (I am assuming born in the United Kingdom) then sure, you have an inside track, however neither of Miller's parents have such ties to England.
 * There is no such thing as an 'inside track'. I am descended from people from this island, as both my grandparents (on my mum's side) are Scottish (as in actually Scots). So I'm British, if we're going to use the racial definition, and particularly so as I'm descended from the Celts who were on this island the longest on known record. This does not, however, mean that people who are born in Zimbabwe, move to England as children, have Zimbabwean parents, and speak like me are not English. A very good friend of mine meets that description, went to a public school, and I consider her English, without any hesitation. The characteristic of 'connection' is very tenuous, and while I am a supporter of greater control over citizenship (both for Britain and for other countries), the rules stand as they are, and cultural identity does as well.Roche-Kerr 22:04, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

mishca burton as born in england but moved to amercia at a young age people consider her amercian Sienna has lived in england from the age of 1 years i find it hard to belive she doesn't have a british passport now after all this time you don't get english,welsh,scotish,northern irish passports only british ones. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Veggiegirl (talk • contribs) 13:20, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

"She is primarily known for"
The manual of style indicates that the opening paragraph of a biography should record both what someone does and why they are significant. If you don't agree with that opener, i think it should read "who is most famous for playing Francesca in the film ''Amo 19:24, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Living in NYC
well, to be fair she was living there while shooting "interview", but yeah, i haven't seen any evidence that she keeps a home there or anything. Amo 10:34, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * She also lived there for acting training, as well as being born there. My greatest concern is that she must maintain a residence there, and must spend some visible amount of time there. If I have a house in London and a house in Cornwall, but spend three weeks a year in Cornwall, I think it would be safer to say 'Lives in London, with a holiday home in Cornwall' than 'Lives in London or Cornwall'. Also, there seems to be a bias on Wikipedia about people randomly living in NYC, as I had to change this for Stephen Fry as well, as he was down as New York, when they meant Norfolk =P Cheerio, Roche-Kerr 13:57, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, you're right about eatblishing that, but the article is the best example as it does establish a context for her previous previous connections to NYC. Amo 00:27, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism
There are several bits of vandalism in this page, particuarly saying that Kate Moss is more attractive and talented than Sienna Miller.

Pittsburgh is angry. Don't make Pittsburgh angry. We bite. Kolindigo 01:14, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Opening para
The opening paragraph is meant to describe who she is and why she's important. that sentence "culterally she considers..." has no place in the opener, and would best be replaced by reference to awards she has won or similar. Her ethicity needs to be incorperated into the article, but seeing as i favour the "america-born english actress" mould i'm at a loss as to how to do it, and think it would be better done by someone else.Amo 13:11, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I know nothing about Miller. Does she speak with an English or an American accent? Thankz.67.176.14.100 14:58, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Not sure, but considering she calls herself an actress and moved to Southern England as a child and spent a significant amount of time there - her London accent in Layer Cake is terrible! Not quite the Dick Van Dyke school, but surely she could have done better? If not then she should go back to acting school!!

It's NOT 'London' there is no such accent, as it varies all across the capital, it is actually 'Cockney' and pretty accurate actually. Her normal accent is what's termed 'Estuary' but you'd have to be British to know what that is. Alidiginous (talk) 20:47, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

She was on Top Gear 18th July 2009, and she speaks with a British accent and she was the first person to successfully sue the paparazzi to get them off her back which i think is extremely notable and should be included in the first paragraph.122.107.150.4 (talk) 08:13, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Filmography
Yellow-bellied sapsucker has today wiped out the filmography on the questionable basis that it is already linked to IMDb. According to WP:BIO such lists are appropriate. I've copied the removed text below for reference. Wwwhatsup (talk) 21:46, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Television
I nominate that the filmography be included in the article. Please indicate support or opposition below. Wwwhatsup (talk) 21:46, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Look it's no a big deal, but why input a lengthy, unselective filmography when the link to IMDb is already provided?? I am not going to contest whatever you decide to do. I am onto something else. Cheers. Yellow-bellied sapsucker (talk) 22:06, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

 * There's no reason to even debate this. This person is under the provenance of WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers and one of the goals of that project is to complete and table filmographies. A link to IMDB isn't sufficient and isn't encyclopedic. I'm returning the filmography. Wildhartlivie (talk) 22:40, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

 * I concur with the keep. I see two benefits with including the filmography -- enabling wiki-links to the films the actors have been in, and also being able to leave notes about a particular film, such as an award win or a voice role. — Erik  (talk • contrib) - 13:58, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

 * This is absurd. IMDb is not part of Wikipedia. Does Encyclopedia Britannica delete core information about subjects because the World Book has it covered? Does IMDb delete core information because Yahoo Movies lists it? This is the silliest logic I think I've ever heard on Wikipedia, so I just had to comment! Go look up the word "encyclopedic." --Melty girl (talk) 19:06, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Agree entirely, it IS absurd, but then again, the majority of vandalism is carried out by the self-appointed experts in all things who call themselves Mods, or some such, and inevitably put their own spin on everything, changing the face of Wikipedia to to suit their ends, and interpret Jimmy Wales ideal of 'guidelines' as 'rigid rules' to be adhered to with Nazi-like zeal - that's what happens when people spend 18 hours a day glued to the same website.

Okay, rant over Alidiginous (talk) 20:59, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Robin Hood
I've changed up the section on Robin Hood. The Wikipedia article cited a rumor that she was removed for her partying and extramarital relationships. However, other sources say she was removed because her youth and beauty were too much of a contrast to Russell Crowe's older age and excessive weight. I'm erring on the side of encyclopedias just not having rumors in them period. Chicken Wing (talk) 13:29, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree. I just reverted the re-addition of the content. If someone feels that the information is paramount to the article, a discussion needs about its inclusion needs to take place before the content is re-added.  Pinkadelica Say it...  05:06, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Is she Jewish?
I've read somewhere that her father is.C'est la vie (talk) 19:50, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

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Biased section headers?
"Resurgence"? "Continued acclaim"? Can we use some more neutral terms for section names?172.87.33.194 (talk) 19:33, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Revisiting Nationality in Lede as per MOS:ETHNICITY
Quoting MOS:ETHNICITY: Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless it is relevant to the subject's notability. [emphasis mine] Similarly, previous nationalities or the place of birth should not be mentioned in the lead unless relevant to the subject's notability. Based on this, "American-British actress" or "American-English actress" in the lede (or in the Short description) is incorrect, as those are ethnicities, not nationalities.

The correct construction for this at this article's lede is either "American and British actress" or "American and English actress". The note at the end of MOS:ETHNICITY is directly relevant here – there is no preference for "British" over "English". As Miller seems to self-identify as "English", we should go with "English" over "British". --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:07, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Note as “first cousin once removed” in the infobox?
Why there is a note as “first cousin once removed” in relatives section within the infobox? What does it really mean? Thanks. 176.55.121.101 (talk) 12:25, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

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Claudius Mamertinus

Claudius Mamertinus (fl. mid-late 4th century AD) was an official in the Roman Empire. In late 361 he took part in the Chalcedon tribunal to condemn the ministers of Constantius II, and in 362, he was made consul as a reward by the new Emperor Julian; on January 1 of that year he delivered a panegyric in Constantinople by way of thanks to the Emperor. The text of this is extant, preserved in the Panegyrici Latini. Claudius Mamertinus later went on to become praetorian prefect of Italy, Africa, and Illyria before being removed from public office in 368 for embezzlement.

The panegyric text is followed by two panegyrics from three quarters of a century earlier, addressed to the Emperor Maximian (the first delivered in 289 and the second in 290 or 291). The text of the Panegyrici that has survived also attributes these to Claudius Mamertinus; it is unclear whether there was an older orator of the same name or the text is corrupt. They have also been attributed to Eumenius but later scholarship disputes that attribution.

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User talk:HateIslam

from Username:

 * Wikipedia does not allow inflammatory or offensive user names. Inflammatory usernames are needlessly discouraging to other contributors, and disrupt and distract from our task of creating an encyclopedia. This includes, but is not limited to:
 * Names which promote racial/ethnic/national/religious hatred
 * Names which are recognised as racial/ethnic/national/religious slurs
 * Names which refer to symbols of racial/ethnic/national/religious hatred

for this reason, I have blocked this account from editing. Please pick another username in accordance with policy if you want to help building the encyclopedia, thanks. dab (ᛏ) 12:51, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Peer review/Colonel Light Gardens, South Australia/archive1

Colonel Light Gardens, South Australia
I think this article looks complete. Can't think of anything to add. Zzymurgy 12:52, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I think you'd better find a way to get rid of one sentence paragraphs. And while I'm not knowledgeable on the subject, it seems incredibly short for a featured article.
 * Do any celebrities live there? Have there been any important events? Can you expand on the politics and the number of people who live there and their demographics?

- 131.211.210.14 11:36, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)


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User:Plutor/Math sandbox

I use this page to create LaTeX math images for random things. See Help:Formula for documentation.

$$ \sigma_0 = \langle\sigma_m\rangle \approx \int_0^{\varepsilon_0} {\rm d}\varepsilon_0 \left\lbrace 2\kappa\frac{n(\varepsilon_0)-n(\infty)}{n(0)-n(\infty)} +\alpha\left[ v_p(\varepsilon_0)-v_p^\max(\varepsilon_0) \right] \right\rbrace $$

Carrying change
2.7 miles = 1.35 hours 1 lb = 453.59237 g penny = 2.5g = 250 g/$ = 0.551155655 lb/$ * 1.35 cal/lb*day = 0.74406013425 cal/$*day

Value-density of a penny:

\begin{matrix} \mathbb{D} & = & \frac{2.5g}{\$0.01} \\ \ & = & 250\;g/\$ \\ \ & \approx & 0.551\;lb/\$ \end{matrix} $$

Energy used carrying a penny around for a day:

\begin{matrix} \mathbb{E} & = & \mathbb{D} * \frac{2.7\;mi}{2\;mph} * \frac{1\;cal}{lb * hr} \\ \ & = & \mathbb{D} * 1.35\;cal/lb \\ \ & \approx & 0.744\;cal/\$ \end{matrix} $$

When is Powerball worth it?
For http://plutor.org/blog/2006/02/15/when-is-powerball-worth-it/

\ \begin{matrix} v_{ticket} & > & \$1.00 \\ \\ v_{ticket}  & = & \frac{v_{jackpot}}{p_{jackpot}} + \frac{v_2}{p_2}+ \frac{v_3}{p_3} + \cdots + \frac{v_n}{p_n} \\ \\ \$1.00       & < & \frac{v_{jackpot}}{146,107,962.00} + \frac{\$200,000}{3,563,608.83} + \frac{\$10,000}{584,431.85} + \frac{\$100}{14,254.44} + \\ &  & \frac{\$100}{11,927.18} + \frac{\$7}{290.91} + \frac{\$7}{745.45} + \frac{\$4}{126.88} + \frac{\$3}{68.96} \\ \$1.00       & < & \frac{v_{jackpot}}{146,107,962.00} + \sim 0.19711512 \\ \\ \$117,307,873 & < & v_{jackpot} \end{matrix} \ $$

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Hornsey Housing Trust

Hornsey Housing Trust was set up in 1933 by Margaret Hill with the purpose of housing people in the Hornsey and Crouch End areas of North London. Since that time, it has grown to become a specialist provider of a range of housing, support and care options for over 400 older people and people with other support needs. Hornsey's focus is within north and east London, building from its base in Haringey. It is a partners involved in delivering the Supporting People strategy in Haringey.

Half of Hornsey's work involves the management of 385 tenancies for older people, spread across Haringey in Hornsey, Crouch End, Harringay, Highgate and Tottenham. Hornsey also provides a range of support services for the majority of those tenants, running floating support and scheme management alongside a housing management and maintenance service tailored for the needs of an older client group. Their support team is well established and one of their latest initiatives is to establish ‘extra-care’ support as part of a scheme to convert two of their schemes into extra care sheltered housing, for frailer tenants. This project is one of seventeen projects from over 200 bidders to gain Department of Health funding to create new extra care provision. Hornsey's focus as an organisation is providing housing-related support to older people to enable them to remain independent for as long as possible.

Hornsey have gained success in running a contract to provide floating support for 140 older and disabled people across the London Borough of Barnet. This project is funded by Barnet's Supporting People programme and is run as a close partnership with the Borough's Social Services department.

Hornsey joined with the Novas Group (later to become People Can and formally declared insolvent in 2012) in creating the 60+ in Haringey service. This service provides floating support for 300 older people across the borough and includes a range of tenure groups – council tenants, housing association tenants, private rented tenants and owner-occupiers. Most recently, 60+ has led in the partnership on establishing working links with Haringey Primary Care Trust to develop a delayed hospital discharge project. This involves providing short-term support to older patients who need additional help in settling back into home life after a hospital stay.

Hornsey's housing management, support and care service operations are dedicated to the needs and aspirations of older tenants.

Three of Hornsey's sheltered schemes are developed and managed for multi-cultural communities, with flats for a range of African, Caribbean, Asian, Chinese, Irish and continental European tenants.

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Talk:Karaim

Karaim both Jews and Turks?
Let's see if i understand this correctly: Karaim are both Jews and Turks?

Gringo300 12:53, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Not exactly. Jews most certainly.  Jews who speak a Turkic language, most certainly.  But Turks, i.e., Turk(ic?) converts to Judaism?  Not necessarily.  The history of the group who speak the "Karaim" language is far too shrouded by history, or ahistory, to make any reliable assertions about their origins.  :-p  -t Tomer TALK  09:50, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)

I work with Karaims in Lithuania. They definitely do not identify themselves as Jews. Nonstopbrakes 02:05, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Absolutely correct Nonstopebrakes, there is a difference between the ancient pre-caliphate Karaism of a simple Karaite (uncircumcised laity, eating Kibinai which mix butter with meat, belief in the Quran, the prophet-hood of Christ, and reverence for Muhammad S.A.W. etc.) which was known to Abu Hanifa, and the post-caliphate Karaite Jews whose Karaite Judaism was only inspired by the simplicity of the Karaites although it has not much in common with original Karaism. Unfortunately these facts are suppressed by wikipedians in favour of the mainstream Jewish opinion on what Karaites actually believe.Kaz 08:24, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Not a disambig page
I have removed the disambig template from the article because it is not formatted as a disambiguation page, and I don't see any advantage in trying to force it to fit that format. If this were a disambiguation page, it would not belong in other categories and would not have any informational links in the introduction. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 10:26, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed.Kaz 08:25, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Karaite which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 22:34, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

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