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How is the Heidegger quote helpful, exactly?
The quote from Heidegger is ponderous and goes beyond what needs to be said in an intro paragraph. I suggest shortening it to the quote about how there would be no Galileo without Aristotle.131.96.30.60 (talk) 13:19, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

actuality
hum, an entry on potentiality and actuality (Aristotle) would be quite important for the Philosophy project and to expand information on A's metaphysics. "Actuality" is a word with a current meaning and a distant technical meaning in Aristotle... --zuben

Copy-editing needed
This article reads very poorly. The English is nigh nonsensical. It is in definite need of clean-up. 205.157.110.11 (talk) 03:20, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I just removed this sentence from the general "Books" level-2 section: "Force may be defined as the cause for separation of an object from one point of reference and union with another point of reference." It may be true (I can't say), but it seems out of place. JKeck (talk) 00:06, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm removing this sentence: "Books III and IV are lacking in interest and probably formed a textual whole, defining the preconditions of motion." I'm not sure what "lacking in interest" means (uninteresting?) and "defining the preconditions of motion" is patently false, as the definition of motion cannot be a precondition for motion. It might be true that some have claimed that the two books formed a textual whole (in some hypothetical source text? Or seem to complete each other as they now stand?), but it needs to be footnoted. I'm also redoing the sentence on the definition of motion, which as stated ("Change is the passage from being something potentially and becoming it actually...")is circular (see Kosman 1969). JKeck (talk) 02:25, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Online versions of the Hardie-Gaye translation
None of the online versions have the italics present in the Britannica edition. I'm just wondering if the italics were in the original edition published by Oxford in 1930 or an addition by the editor of the Britannica version. Anyone have a copy of the original? JKeck (talk) 23:17, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * There is a "searchable-image PDF" scan of the 1930 Oxford edition of the Physics available at the Internet Archive . (Unfortunately it's a soiled, marked-up copy of the volume.) It contains the italics which were retained in the Britannica (Great Books) edition. I don't know if these italics were the work of the translators or editor (W.D. Ross) or both, but they are helpful in marking the use of the familiar Latin phrases used by the translators as well as in getting the sense of Aristotle's sentences which are notoriously compressed in style (what we might call note-taking or telegraphic style). For example, writing of Parmenides at 186a33:

 * It is necessary for him, then, to assume not only that 'being' has the same meaning, of whatever it is predicated, but further that it means (1) what just is1 and (2) what is just one.2
 * 1 i.e. substance.
 * 2 i.e. indivisible unity.
 * 2 i.e. indivisible unity.

 * Notice that I retained the explanatory notes. The Great Books version drops all these very helpful explanatory notes, as does the two volume 1984 Oxford Revised edition of the Complete Works of Aristotle, to save space.
 * —Blanchette (talk) 05:45, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Book IV
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 * Contrary to popular belief and many so-called disciples of Aristotle, what he calls void is not the same as an absence of air or other sensible body.

Says who? As far as I can understand, he uses it both as "a nothing" – which nobody believe exists – and then as an empty space – which most people believe exist today – as a means to prove that matter is not atomic, because if it were, then vacuums, i.e. nothingnesses, can exist, and that is inherently a contradiction. So Aristotle "disproves" vacuum and atoms by using what we today call an obscurantism. Rursus dixit. ( m bork3 !) 23:39, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Or more specifically an Equivocation, one of the classical fallacies in Aristotles Organon, not his only one. Rursus dixit. ( m bork3 !) 23:49, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Recensions Section?
Might need a new section on recensions of the (original) text. Would include Bekker, Ross. Maybe this one as well: Carl Prantl, Publisher: Lipsiae : in aedibus B.G. Teubneri, 1879. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.247.66.88 (talk) 18:13, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Comment
I'm just getting here after reading the article of Aristotelian Physics, so it is clearer to me why it is as it is. A distinction is being made between Physics and Aristotelian Physics, which is why the Heidegger. He's the one making the distinction. I'm impressed by this article, not by the Aristotelian Physics one. Heidegger is notable so if he makes the distinction it is fair game. I think this is a good article. It has been worked on obviously. I don't know what I can do here beyond polishing it a bit. It is certainly way beyond a start class.Botteville (talk) 07:55, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

 * How can we go about removing the Start-Class deisgnation? JKeck (talk) 18:19, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't think we should yet, there's more to an article's rating than just how long it is. As it is, there aren't many inline citations and very few cited references so this article would need a lot of work to be more than start class, it's basically just a mostly uncited summary of the text with a few blockquotes. I think if the existing content was actually cited and worked more into prose, we'd probably have a C-class article, but it's pretty far from B-class without a lot more comprehensive content.  - car chasm (talk) 02:22, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Though to be clear, there's no reason it *has* to be more than a start class article. Assuming the content is all verifiable and there's no original research there's nothing wrong with it as it stands now. Adding inline citations and a bit more on the influence/background of the work would probably be the next logical step in that direction though.  - car chasm (talk) 05:33, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Nah, I changed my mind/I was wrong, B-class is fine. The inline citations aren't as necessary for summaries of a work.  - car chasm (talk) 00:09, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Organization
OK, I'm "up" in it. I still like it, great article. I don't find the language difficult or non-sensical from a philosophic or scholarly point of view. The difficulty reported above is undoubtedly caused by the that fact that this is Aristotle's "esoterica", the material he revealed only to the inner circle because of its difficulty. The answer to us I believe is blue-linking and care to make sure everything is explained. There is what I see as an organizational problem. There are something like a half-dozen bibliographies, many repeating the same work. They are mainly above the numbered references. I believe the custom is to put them below the references. I don't say there should not be an extensive bibliography for such an important philosopher. I do say we should bring them all below the references and make better sense of them, which I will start to do next session. If you use harvnb, you can automatically reference a work below the references. Only see also should be above them. Also, the biblio is for the most part not in proper format, hindering auto references to the items. So, I'll be making organizational and formatting changes there. But the language, no, nothing wrong with that. We just need the blue links and the explanatory phrases and sentences.Botteville (talk) 11:10, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Removed biblio item
"* Oresme, Nicole, Oresme's Commentary on Aristotle's Physics. Edition of the Quaestiones on Book 3 and 4 of Aristotle's Physics and of the Quaestiones 6 - 9 on book 5. Edited by Stefan Kirschner. (Stuttgart: Steiner, 1997)."

This is not what it seems to be. The book is in German, and only in German. I did find it on the Internet. The publication place of Stuttgart gives it away. The editor or the work from which he copied it has done the translation. That makes it an imaginary book. That is why it is so important to use the cite book and other formats. If there were a real translation, the translator would be listed and the date and edition would be different. Of course I considered whether to cite the German book. In this topic there is no lack of top-notch books in German by excellent German-speaking scholars. We pick the English books here because this is the English Wikipedia. Of course German books are sometimes cited on WP. That is in the case of indispensible German works. I do not think this is one of those. So, my disposition is to drop it from the list. Now, about that list. This is a terribly difficult list just because it is not formatted correctly. Each item is its own big problem. The English-speaking audience could never use this list without a big research project on each item. It might as well never have been done. I do find some gold beneath the scrapings however. You might have to put up with some Greek and Latin but there is a lot of good English also. So, I have done the research, or am going to do it, and have properly formatted the items with very useful urls in many cases. Most of the others are previewable if you care to look it up. Most of the article so far is bibliography but you know such a famous work of such a famous man is owing some sort of book list.Botteville (talk) 23:51, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Rowett-Osborne
The professor, scholar, and translator Catherine Osborne is the same as the professor, scholar and translator Catherine Rowett. She doen't seem to want to say that anywhere, but it is none of our business. Apparently her married name is Osborne. At some point she reverts to the maiden name of Rowett. Apparently this has to do with running for office on the Green Peace ticket. We should not jump to any conclusions, as she mentions a husband and two children at home. Nevertheless the change is an Internet confusion. Therefore I want to use Catherine Rowett Osborne following the American custom of making the middle name of a married woman the same as the maiden name, if that is all right with all concerned. I think it will save the usual Internet periphrasis.Botteville (talk) 18:29, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Joe Sachs and Aristotle's Motion
Joe Sachs is currently touted as the poor man's guide to Aristotle. I don't think he is. For example, he thinks the etymologies of Aristotle's vocabulary are guides to their meanings. But, those words evolved in the theory of matter and form. The connections are not always obvious. Incidentally he does not mention that noted theory. I think he is trying to work out his own concepts of Aristotle. I don't think he is up to people like Ross. For example, energeia is always "form." The "energy" twist is entirely modern. Well. I appreciate that he is a published author and is at St. John's, even though I don't think he is of much help to us. Sorry, Joe. He is only mentioned a few times. I'm leaving those references in if thy fit as intended, but if you don't mind I think we can dispense with the glowing reports of his utility to us. Specifically, the etymologies don't tell us much. The peripatetics were just twisting the words to their own purposes. It's a specialized theory, and you can't present Aristotle without presenting the theory. That is the Theory of Matter and form. I happen to be a Protestant, but the Jesuits do the best job of presenting Aristotle I know of. St. Thomas of course uses Aristotle extensively. Now, I don't want to get into this, but Joe has to do better if he wants to be a better source for us.Botteville (talk) 01:20, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Schindler ref

 * Schindler, David L., "The Problem of Mechanism," Beyond Mechanism: The Universe in Recent Physics and Catholic Thought, ed. David L. Schindler (University Press of America, 1986).

This is a bad specification. The link is dead, so it is no good for a link. There is one sentence using it as a ref. As that, it should be explaining the theory of matter and form. We don't need it for that, as just about all the content is linkable to WP articles. But, let's say that we tried to use it. It isn't what it seems. It is actually a collection of essays by different authors. Which one is not specified, or any page numbers. I did notice a certain problem with phony refs that had been copied out of books you can preview on the Internet. It is no good as a ref and it is not needed anyway, so I'm taking it out. At some point this content material will have to be gone over by someone cognizant of the theory of matter and form.Botteville (talk) 15:52, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

The essay being referenced was "The Problem of Mechanism." It's amazing that that has to be pointed out. And it was a useful reference, since that essay has a particularly good explanation. JKeck (talk) 21:42, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Possible splits
I think all this material relates to the topic but it may be getting extensive, especially when you consider the history of the corpus. I have noticed however that there are quite a few articles, some in the beginning state, where this material could go. Some of them need some heavy edits. I would say, if you notice some of the material getting so extensive as to suggest a split might do better, don't hesitate to suggest it or do it. Right now I am trying to plug through to the end otherwise I would want to take on these other articles. But, if someone notices specific material would do better elsewhere, and does not want to fix it, I can make some temporary jumps to the other articles.Botteville (talk) 13:25, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

 * Agree, the prolix stuff on the Academy should at the very least be moved to the bottom, and as you say preferably to an on-topic page, leaving a concise summary here. 98.4.124.117 (talk) 13:38, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

 * Surely most of the fascinating material on the history of the Corpus Aristotelicum is not peculiar to the Physics, and should be moved to Corpus Aristotelicum or made into a separate article. --Sir Myles na Gopaleen (the da) (talk) 11:04, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

 * Agreed. It is fascinating material (though I'm not sure all of it avoids being "original research"). By all means, it should definitely be moved elsewhere. JKeck (talk) 21:45, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

 * Corpus Aristotelicum is most likely the best target article for this material, since that is what the material is about. Is there a special procedure for moving material from one article to another? JKeck (talk) 22:11, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

 * If there are no objections, I'm going to move that material (The authorship paradox, Research at the Lyceum, The question of the library) to Corpus Aristotelicum. JKeck (talk) 23:31, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Since there were no objections, I went ahead and moved those sections. JKeck (talk) 13:41, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

"...they do match any line counts." -> should be ? -> "...they do NOT match any line counts."
"...they do match any line counts." -> should be ? -> "...they do NOT match any line counts." 172.58.197.70 (talk) 18:16, 18 December 2021 (UTC) The meaning of physics in Aristotle It is a collection of treatises or lessons that deals with the most general (philosophical) principles of natural or moving things, both living and non-living, rather than physical theories (in the modern sense) or investigations of the particular contents of the universe. The chief purpose of the work is to discover the principles and causes of (and not merely to describe) change, or movement, or motion (κίνησις kinesis), especially that of natural wholes (mostly living things, but also inanimate wholes like the cosmos). In the conventional Andronicean ordering of Aristotle's works, it stands at the head of, as well as being foundational to, the long series of physical, cosmological and biological treatises, whose ancient Greek title, τὰ φυσικά, means "the [writings] on nature" or "natural philosophy".

Description of the content The Physics is composed of eight books, which are further divided into chapters. This system is of ancient origin, now obscure. In modern languages, books are referenced with Roman numerals, standing for ancient Greek capital letters (the Greeks represented numbers with letters, e.g. A for 1). Chapters are identified by Arabic numerals, but the use of the English word "chapter" is strictly conventional. Ancient "chapters" (capita) are generally very short, often less than a page. Additionally, the Bekker numbers give the page and column (a or b) used in the Prussian Academy of Sciences' edition of Aristotle's works, instigated and managed by Bekker himself. These are evident in the 1831 2-volume edition. Bekker's line numbers may be given. These are often given, but unless the edition is the Academy's, they do match any line counts.

Book I (Α; 184a–192b) Book I introduces Aristotle's approach to nature, which is to be based on principles, causes, and elements. Before offering his particular views, he engages previous theories, such as those offered by Melissus and Parmenides. Aristotle's own view comes out in Ch. 7 where he identifies three principles: substances, opposites, and privation.

Chapters 3 and 4 are among the most difficult in all of Aristotle's works and involve subtle refutations of the thought of Parmenides, Melissus and Anaxagoras.

In chapter 5, he continues his review of his predecessors, particularly how many first principles there are. Chapter 6 narrows down the number of principles to two or three. He presents his own account of the subject in chapter 7, where he first introduces the word matter (Greek: hyle) to designate fundamental essence (ousia). He defines matter in chapter 9: "For my definition of matter is just this—the primary substratum of each thing, from which it comes to be without qualification, and which persists in the result." — Preceding unsigned comment added by NagaveniDandappanavar (talk • contribs) 09:37, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

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Wtf.com
Unencyclopedic Web forum - WP:NOT a Web directory. FCYTravis 23:50, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * WTF. Delete. Mike H 00:05, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy I think it has been once already. --Xcali 05:26, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete website advertising. JamesBurns 05:44, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. --Schulte 05:48, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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42 Loads
Appears to be a vanity article. The article says that they faded into obscurity when they split up, it doesn't look to me like they were ever notable. Leithp 23:50, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - Google hits are all Wikipedia mirrors or have nothing to do with this bandlet. Appears to have been a high school garage band. --FCYTravis 00:02, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete This article is a load of something. --Xcali 05:27, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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 * Delete. Yah. The article is pretty lame. The band did not matter. reniform june13/05
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Babiker Hassanain
Seems like vanity to me. Short article, person in question only gets 18 hits on google (most relating to someone at a university, and to a pool club). The article seems to say hes the first physicist for Sudan but the lack of Google hits makes me want to delete this. Hedley 23:53, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Looks like a consistent enough article - the chap who googles up is at Balliol & the Oxford theoretical physics centre, late of Pembroke Cambridge, entry 1999, which would mean he'd be ending year two or three of his PhD now. One paper published, which is most certainly theoretical physics (you can tell, as I don't know what half the words mean...). Note that the claim isn't that he's the first physicist from there; it's that he's the first physicist at that college from there.

 * However... that's not establishing notability. Could well be on his way to greatness - he certainly seems smart enough - but delete. We can always recreate an article later if need be. Shimgray 00:46, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Just to emphasise the likelihood of it being vanity (or at least created-by-a-friend), incidentally, it was created by User:163.1.166.216, which resolves to hm216.balliol.ox.ac.uk... hmm. This user seems to be adding a spate of such articles and comments. Time to chase up. Shimgray 00:55, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * The user also created Adam Easton, a definite vanity (and again Balliol-related); I've put this on VfD and will leave the anon. (who I suspect to be Adam Easton or a friend) a note. Shimgray 01:06, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete, notability is questionable, article one liner. Pavel Vozenilek 00:51, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete --Xcali 05:25, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete notability not established. JamesBurns 05:46, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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Porn Star: The Legend of Ron Jeremy

Porn Star: The Legend of Ron Jeremy is a 2001 American documentary film based on the life of porn actor Ron Jeremy. The film is directed and written by Scott J. Gill. The film features Ron Jeremy describing his life and career, and co-stars Larry Flynt, Adam Rifkin, Seymore Butts, Alisha Klass, Phoebe Dollar, Kenny Dollar, Jenna Jameson, and Troy Duffy. The film is produced by Kirt Eftekhar, and Scott J. Gill.

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Michael O'Sullivan, writing for The Washington Post, called Porn Star "a documentary portrait that is as sad as it is funny". Edward Guthmann of San Francisco Chronicle wrote: "Shot over 18 months and edited from 150 hours of footage, "Porn Star" is a lively, ultimately sad portrait that asks a very good question – how can someone who looks as bad as Jeremy be a porn star? – and offers some reasonable answers".

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Legality section
There is a reference, but this section is completely false, there is no grey area regarding copyright and trademark in this type of scenario, suggesting they might is buying into one of the biggest misconceptions online, people seem to think copyright and trademark only exists of you aim to make money.

Czarnibog (talk) 22:47, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Two words
Note: Starwars.com and TheForce.net use "Fan film" as two words. See here for evidence. - Dr Haggis - Talk 18:29, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll leave it at that, then. Thanks. QuantumAdam 18:31, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

C2F
Addition: Added C2F Cinema, which is clearly another internet fanfilm source. Extended fanfilms.com description, as they host other films as well.. as seen here. --GrgurMG 11:32, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Very expensive?
I deleted the statement "Fan films are very expensive to produce" because the phrase "very expensive" is only meaningful when the cost of something is (at least implicitly) compared to the cost of something else ... and fan films are inexpensive compared to the films they are inspired by. --Metropolitan90 09:47, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Production types
I'd like to see some mention of describing fan films by method of production ... The reason I bring it up in talk first is because it might be stretching the bounds of the definition of a fan film. Is a Sim movie a fan film? It is video created by fans. --Kirok 01:48, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Live action
 * Costumes, scenery
 * CGI effects, Chromakeying (Greenscreen)
 * Virtual reality
 * Stop motion eg Lego Brick movies
 * Machinima incl. Sim Movies
 * CGI animation incl. Anim8r, Blender, Lightwave ...

Max Payne edits
83.217.164.35 keeps trying to insert language to the effect that a Fox C&D letter was a "failed attempt" to shut down a Max Payne fanfilm, eventually adding |this link as a source - however, that link quite clearly shows that the Fox C&D *did* shut down the Max Payne fanfilm - the filmmakers did decide to continue the production, but without the Max Payne elements, making the continued production an original story, and no longer a fanfilm. The original wording ("Fox Studios, which used a cease and desist letter to close a Max Payne short that was in production") is the more accurate description of these events, and the changes mentioning "failed attempt" strike me as very POV and appear to be pushing an agenda on the part of the anonymous IP - since, in fact, the Fox C&D did shut down the fanfilm. TheRealFennShysa (talk) 19:29, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Are fan films a type of fan labor?
I presumed that fan films were a type of fan labor and thus the article should sport a link to the fan labor article -- TheRealFennShysa reverted this edit, so I have to ask: is that assumption incorrect? If so, why? To my knowledge (which may be faulty) fan films are labor-intensive works created by fans of a media property to celebrate, explore or criticize that property -- which is the same as the definition of any other creative fan work (fiction, machinima, video games, art, music videos, ...). So, what am I missing? I see 3 potential paths forward: Multiple paths might be called for -- first am looking for an explanation since I admittedly have little background in fan films and could be missing something fundamental.... Elatb (talk) 18:05, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) edit this article so it is clear why fan films do not count as fan labor (without necessarily calling it out as "not fan labor" -- simply saying "fan films do not XXX" where XXX is a necessary condition for fan labor activities) -- fwiw, a clearer definition of a fan film or a well-known example of one would really be helpful to me to have in this article as well, since I am going off my experience with faux-trailers and personal recollection of Star Trek fan films, and after reading the article I wasn't 100% convinced that is what it was discussing,
 * 2) edit the fan labor article so the definition is clearer (and attested) as to the reasons why it would (not) include fan films, or
 * 3) include the link to fan labor in this article (perhaps caveated however is appropriate),

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authorized fan films or non-authorized fan films
The section Fan film describes a film called Georgie with no mention of whether or not it is actually an authorized fan film. Is it non-authorized by virtue of the fact that the owners of the source material haven't said anything about it? in contrast with the other examples which describe the rights holders objecting to the fan films being made.

i guess another way to ask the question might be, does this article have 2 sections (fan films made with permission, fan films made without permission) when it should have 3 (films the copyright holder approves, films to which the copyright holder objects, and films about which the copyright holders have said nothing, possibly including films the copyright holders do not know exist)?

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Jason Court

Jason Court (born September 6, 1963) is an American actor, voice actor, and winemaker. He became a winemaker after retiring as an actor in the early 2000s. Court is most famous for playing Kyle Katarn in the cutscenes of Star Wars Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II. The looks of the character from that point forward were based on Jason and his performance.

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Episkopon

Episkopon (Greek: ΕΠΙΣΚΟΠΩΝ, "bishop") is a secret society at Trinity College in the University of Toronto, which has been active since 1858 when its male branch was founded. The 225th reading of its original male branch was held in 2011. The female branch of Episkopon had been active since 1899, holding their 182nd Reading in 2019. Prominent alumni of the Episkopon include Former Canadian Minister of Foreign Affairs Bill Graham, filmmaker Atom Egoyan, and Former Canadian Governor General Adrienne Clarkson. The organization is one of the oldest collegiate secret societies in North America and the oldest in Canada.

The male and female branches both present three annual Readings during which they publicly satirized the goings-on about college through a wide range of jokes, songs, and poems delivered by the branch's leader, the Scribe. The society's mythological premise is to deliver "gentle chastisement" on behalf of the Venerable Father (or Mother) Episkopon, a spirit who supposedly resided at Trinity and who was represented at Readings by a human skull. Described in the media as a "self-perpetuating board of directors", the clandestine group of former Scribes and their assisting editors style themselves as the Order of the Golden Key. The motto of the organization is from Horace: Notandi Sunt Tibi Mores (Latin: "The manners of men are to be carefully observed").

In 1992, Episkopon was censured and disassociated from the Trinity College Council following allegations of racism and homophobia. Despite policies prohibiting Episkopon from engaging in any activities on College property, the society nevertheless continues to play an important role in undergraduate life at Trinity.

History
Episkopon was founded in 1858, when it was announced that the first Scribe was Pakenham Edward Stewart, later an Anglican priest. Episkopon began as a student newspaper, developed into a form in which only one copy of each edition was created, to be read aloud by the Scribe. Episkopon provides insight into College history, through the keeping of archives dating back to 1879. A poster by artist Roloff Beny advertising a Reading from 1945 is in possession of the National Archives of Canada. Also in the National Archives is a film about the former Trinity College campus on Queen Street West, made by Gordon Sparling, in which Episkopon's traditions feature prominently. A board listing the names of female Scribes once hung in Trinity's St. Hilda's College, but was removed upon the group's decision to disassociate from the College, a show of solidarity with the male branch in the 1990s.

On June 3, 2020, the female branch of Episkopon announced its dissolution, following renewed controversy on social media about its problematic past. Although the male branch is rumoured to have dissolved as well, there has been no public acknowledgement of this.

Controversy
One attempted student suicide was allegedly linked to a 1985 reading, although the circumstances of the connection were not reported, and were later refuted by a CBC radio investigation. In October 1991, following accusations of racism, sexism, and homophobia in Episkopon, a task force was formed to investigate it and Trinity College at large. When the male Scribe of the 1992-1993 academic year refused to draft a constitution that was consistent with the task force's recommendations, the Trinity College Council voted unanimously to sever all ties with the organization. Investigative journalist Declan Hill, a Trinity alumnus, in a 1993 documentary broadcast on the CBC Radio program Ideas, claimed that Episkopon's Readings tended to ridicule certain groups and actions as a form of social control. The article cited student objections to the singling out of individuals for public shaming. In 2008, a prospective male member of Episkopon sustained head injuries when he tripped and fell down a hill during an initiation ritual.

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Mean Street Posse

The Mean Street Posse was a professional wrestling stable in the World Wrestling Federation. The group consisted of Pete Gas, Rodney, and Joey Abs. The Posse's gimmick was that they were friends of Shane McMahon from the "mean streets" of Greenwich, Connecticut, and were from a similarly upper class background. This was emphasized by their attire of sweater vests and dress pants.

History
Gas and Rodney were legitimate school friends of Shane McMahon, whereas Joey Abs was already a professional wrestler who was brought in to be the 'worker' of the group. The Posse was closely allied with Shane McMahon, often helping him defend the European Championship throughout early 1999. At the beginning, the group also featured other members named Willie Green, Billy P. and Sir Horowitz. It is unknown as to why they were pulled from the group, and who portrayed them remains largely unknown also. They were only ever featured in sporadic backstage segments and in the crowd for WrestleMania XV. The new three membered Posse attempted to help McMahon defeat Test at SummerSlam, but were unsuccessful. After they turned on Shane, the Posse were relegated to being enhancement talents, losing to teams such as the Dudley Boyz, The Holly Cousins and Too Cool. Despite this, Gas would manage to briefly hold the Hardcore Championship. At WrestleMania 2000, all three members of the Posse would briefly win the Hardcore Title. They then began a short-lived program with Edge and Christian, in which the Posse was hired to steal the Tag Team Championship from the Hardy Boyz. On the October 8, 2000 episode of Sunday Night Heat, Gas and Rodney faced the Hardy Boyz for the title, but they were unsuccessful. Abs was then involved in a short-lived storyline with Stephanie McMahon, where it was revealed that they were ex-lovers.

Split and aftermath
In 2000, the entire Posse was moved to Memphis Championship Wrestling, a developmental territory of the WWF. While in MCW, the Posse managed to win several titles before being released from their contracts in June 2001. After their release from WWF, Rodney and Abs retired from wrestling. Gas wrestled until 2003.

On December 10, 2007, Raw held its 15th-anniversary special and Gas represented the Posse in a 15th Anniversary Battle Royal, where he was subsequently eliminated by Bart Gunn.

In 2009, WWE.com interviewed the Posse as a part of the website's "Where are They Now?" feature. All three members have since retired from wrestling, as Gas now works for W.B. Mason, an office supply company, Rodney owns his own landscape management company in Glen Ridge, New Jersey and Abs works in his family's car repair shop.

Pete Gas released his autobiography Looking at the Lights: My Path from Fan to a Wrestling Heel in 2017. The book covers stories about the Posse, in ring and outside the ring events.

Championships and accomplishments

 * Memphis Championship Wrestling
 * MCW Hardcore Championship (1 time) – Abs
 * MCW Southern Heavyweight Championship (2 times) – Abs
 * MCW Southern Tag Team Championship (2 times) – Abs and Rodney
 * World Wrestling Federation
 * WWF Hardcore Championship (4 times)1 – Gas (2), Rodney (1), Abs (1)

1Due to inconsistent reports from WWE, Gas' additional reign and both Abs' and Rodney's during WrestleMania 2000 are considered unofficial as they are not featured in their online history for the title, but are listed in the title's history in the "WWE Encyclopedia: The Definitive Guide to World Wrestling Entertainment" published in 2009.

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San Bartolomé de Tirajana

San Bartolomé de Tirajana is a village and a Spanish municipality in the south-eastern part of the island of Gran Canaria in the Las Palmas province in the Canary Islands. With an area of 333.13 km², San Bartolomé de Tirajana is the largest municipality in area on the island as well as the Canary Islands. The population is 56,698 (2013).

The municipality contains the large beach resorts of Maspalomas, including Playa del Inglés and San Agustín, and the Pilancones natural park. The municipal capital, the village of San Bartolomé de Tirajana is situated in the mountains, 17 km from the coast and 27 km south-west of Las Palmas, at about 900 m elevation. Most of the population lives along the Atlantic coastline. The GC-1 motorway passes through the southern part of the municipality, and connects it with Las Palmas de Gran Canaria and the Gran Canaria Airport.

Location
Located in the south of the island, 54.5 kilometers from the island's capital, the municipality has a triangular shape with a vertex in the interior and a wide base that covers a good part of the southern coast of Gran Canaria.

With an area of 333.13 km², it is the largest municipality on the island, covering more than a fifth of the island's surface area.

The municipal capital, the rural nucleus of Tunte, is located at 850 meters above sea level, reaching the maximum municipal level at 1,957.3 meters above sea level at the elevation known as Morro de la Agujereada.

Orography
The centre of the coast of the municipality is characterised by its long and wide golden sand beaches, as well as the dune field of Maspalomas and its brackish water pool. The northern end of the coast is, on the contrary, rocky, and the southern end is cliff.

Above the coast there is a wide, fully developed coastal plain, which gradually rises up and, furrowed by deep ravines, heads towards the mountains in the centre of the island.

Evolution of urban land, according to the Cadastre (2010 data): urban land in 2006: 1586 hectares; urban land in 2007: 1612 hectares; urban land in 2008: 1635 hectares; urban land in 2009: 1649 hectares; urban land in 2010: 1657 hectares, representing 5.2% of the total land of the municipality.

Climate
The weather conditions are given by the leeward position of the island and, therefore, to the protection of the humid winds of the northeast. This results in low and concentrated rainfall in the winter months and pleasant temperatures almost all year round.

The average annual temperature is 15,8 °C, with January being the coldest month at 12,1 °C and August the hottest at 20,5 °C. As for rainfall, the average is 307 mm per year.

This justifies the fact that the high tourist season extends from September-October to April, the time of year when the mild temperatures make the island a destination for European tourism.

Protected areas
The municipality has a large part of its surface area included in the Canary Islands Network of Natural Protected Areas. The Riscos de Tirajana Natural Monument, the Pilancones Natural Park, the Fataga Protected Landscape, the Maspalomas Dunes Special Nature Reserve and the Juncalillo del Sur Site of Scientific Interest are all within its boundaries. In addition, it shares with the neighbouring municipalities the Nublo Rural Park and the Los Marteles Special Nature Reserve.

All these areas are also included in the Natura 2000 Network as Special Areas of Conservation - SACs, to which the Amurga and Taurus massifs are added, as well as the coastal strip from the tip of Tarajalillo to that of Maspalomas due to the existence of underwater tallow meadows known as sebadales. The surface of the protected landscape of Fataga, Pilancones and the rural park of El Nublo are also Special Protection Areas for Birds -SPA-.

The municipality also has the public utility mountains of San Bartolome, La Plata and Maspalomas, as well as Montaña del Rey.

Economy
Tourism is the single crop of the coastal area, while as we go up, we see cooler weather, more fertile land and more agricultural activity.

Rustic land (29,615 hectares), divided into 9,369 cadastral plots: pasture and uncultivated land 85.90%; slow-growing timber species 9.5%; irrigated land 2.3%; fruit trees 1.1%; dry farming 1%. (Source: Cadastre, 2009)

Tourism, the main economic activity in the municipality, is currently in a phase of adaptation. Different studies and organized plans that attend to the current demand and elaborated with the participation of different institutions such as the ULPGC, City Hall, Cabildo and the Government of the Canary Islands, are being put into practice in order to highlight the identity of the municipality and its innumerable values.

They also attend to the modernization of the accommodation plant that, being a pioneer municipality at a tourist level, shows in its urban structure the passage of time, trying to preserve the artistic or heritage value and replacing what has become obsolete.

These plans include new buildings such as a multi-adventure theme park and a high performance sports centre linked to the world of motor sports in Punta de Tarajalillo. Also in Punta de Tarajalillo, the creation of the Wake Park Feliz theme park, dedicated mainly to the offer of water sports.

Settlements

A B C F H J L M P R S T
 * Agualatente
 * Aldea Blanca
 * Arteara
 * Ayacata
 * Ayagaures
 * Bahia Feliz
 * Berriel
 * Calderin
 * Campo Internacional
 * El Canalizo
 * Casas Blancas
 * Los Caserones de Fataga
 * Castillo del Romeral
 * Los Cercados
 * Cercados de Araña
 * Cercados de Espino
 * Chira
 * Ciudad de Lima
 * La Culata
 * Fataga
 * Las Filipinas
 * La Florida
 * Hoya Gercia
 * Hoya Grande
 * Hoya de Tunte
 * Los Hortigones
 * Huesa Bermeja
 * La Humbria
 * Juan Grande
 * Lomito de Taidía
 * Lomo de la Palma
 * Maspalomas
 * El Matorral
 * Media Fanega
 * Los Meloneras
 * La Mimbre
 * La Montaña
 * Montaña La Data
 * Montaña de Rosiana
 * Monteleon
 * El Moral
 * El Pajar
 * Los Palmitos
 * Pasito Blanco
 * Pedrazo
 * Perera
 * La Plata
 * Playa del Aguila
 * Playa del Inglés
 * Risco Blanco
 * Risco la Candelilla
 * Los Rodeos
 * El Salobre
 * San Agustín
 * San Fernando
 * Santa Águeda
 * El Sequero
 * Los Sitios
 * Sonnenland
 * El Tablero
 * Taidía
 * Tarajalillo
 * Las Tederas
 * Trejo
 * Tunte (San Bartolomé de Tirajana)

Education
The British School of Gran Canaria maintains its South Campus in this municipality.

Climate
It is located on the leeward portion of the island. Humid winds cover the northeast in the summer months. Precipitation is lower than the northern part of the island and temperatures are slightly higher than in the north all year round.

Sister cities

 * Alajuela, Costa Rica
 * Elche, Spain
 * Segovia, Spain

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Festa Junina

Festas Juninas (, June Festivals, "festivities that occur in the month of June"), also known as festas de São João for their part in celebrating the nativity of St. John the Baptist (June 24), are the annual Brazilian celebrations adapted from European Midsummer that take place in the southern midwinter. These festivities, which were introduced by the Portuguese during the colonial period (1500–1822), are celebrated during the month of June nationwide. The festival is mainly celebrated on the eves of the Catholic solemnities of Saint Anthony, Saint John the Baptist, and Saint Peter.

Since Northeastern Brazil is largely arid or semi-arid, these festivals not only coincide with the end of the rainy seasons of most states in the northeast, but they also provide people with an opportunity to give thanks to Saint Peter for the rain. They also celebrate rural life and feature typical clothing, food, and dance (particularly quadrilha, which is similar to square dance).

Origins and history
Various aspects of the festival originate from the European Midsummer celebrations, such as the creation of a large bonfire. Many of these celebrations now occur with influence from Brazilian rural society. The festivities usually take place in an arraial, a huge tent made of raw material (with a thatched roof) that was reserved for important parties in older Brazilian rural areas. As the Brazilian climate differs greatly from Europe, Brazilian participants would often use the festival as a way to show gratitude for rain. The creation of a large fire, known as a fogueira, is lit during the festival. This originates from a Catholic story of a fire being lit to warn Mary about the birth of St. John the Baptist, and thus to have her assistance after childbirth, Elizabeth would have to light a fire on a hill. Most festivals occurred away from the coast line, closer to the interior where many larger plantations were. While still ruled by Portugal, coastline cities, in Pernambuco especially, became industrialized and saw much greater economic prosperity. Hoping to further this growth, King Dom João modified his economic policy to favor cities such as Recife rather than rural interests. Though the Festa Junina continued, its practice in modern cities became much larger. Today, the sizes of the celebrations have surpassed that of Europe. Although they are primarily practiced and hosted by schools, many cities host their own major celebration. In Caruaru, Pernambuco, a celebration of the festival in 2011 saw approximately 1.5 million attendees, earning a Guinness Book World Record for having the largest celebration of the festival in the world.

Traditions

In Brazil, the festival is primarily practiced by rural farmers, known as caipiras or matutos. Men dress up as farm boys with large straw hats and women wear pigtails, freckles, painted gap teeth and red-checkered dresses.

Dances throughout the festival surround "quadrilha". Most of these dances emerge from 19th-century Europe, which were brought by the Portuguese. The "quadrilha" features couple formations around a mock wedding whose bride and groom are the central focus of the dance. This reflects the fertility of the land. There are various types of dance within the category of quadrilha. Cana-Verde, a subcategory of fandango dance styles, are more popular in the south and are primarily improvised. Dances involving Bumba Meu Boi are also present during this festival. Here, the dance revolves around a woman desiring to eat the tongue of an ox. Her husband kills the ox, to the dismay of the ox's owner. A healer enters and resuscitates the ox, and all participants celebrate.

Accompanying these dances is a genre of music known as Forró. This traditional genre primarily uses accordions and triangles, and focuses on the life and struggle of caipiras. The music greatly focuses on saudade, a feeling of nostalgia or forlorn, for rural farm life. More modern versions of the music can include guitars, fiddles, and drums.

Many games targeted at children are present at Festa Juninas, especially at festivals hosted in schools serving as a fundraiser.

 * Pescaria: Children use a fishing rod to pick up cans or paper designed to look like fish from a box.
 * Corrida do saci: Children hop on one leg to the end of a line in a race, mimicking the movement of the saci perere.
 * Corrida de três pés: A three-legged race, where two participants tie one of their legs to their partner's leg, and race others.
 * Jogo de argolas: Ring Toss. Rings are thrown onto bottles in an attempt to land around the neck.
 * Tiro ao Alvo: Dart toss. Darts are thrown in an attempt to gain the most points.

Winners of these games are often given miscellaneous prizes, usually toys or food.

Modern criticisms
Today, São João festivities are extremely popular in Brazil's largest cities. The presence of a festival celebrating rural life in an urban setting has revealed modern stereotypes of caipiras. Those residing in larger cities believe rural farmers to be less educated, simple minded and unable to properly socialize. This is often reflected in caricatures of caipiras taught to children in Brazilian schools, who are told to use incorrect grammar and act foolish during the festival. Anxieties over the changing meaning of the festival also reflect a growing "carnivalization" of the tradition. Rather than an emphasis on religion, the festival is presented as a massive gathering for both Brazilians and tourists with large concerts in major cities.

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Naming
This opera is named using the English name, per WikiProject Opera guidelines. --DrG 00:00, 2005 Jun 12 (UTC)
 * _ _ I think that's about the Hungarian diacritics, which IMO are reasonable to keep in accordance with the (probably more recent) policy that makes Zürich the title of the article rather than of the rdr. (If the guideline cited says otherwise, IMO the guideline should be changed.)
 * _ _ However, "the English name" is ambiguous. János Kádár is a normal English ordering of the Hungarian name of Kádár János, and quite properly used as that article's title. Similarly, János is a given name, and Háry a surname, but most monolingual English speakers who are aware of the opera know it as Háry János or Hary Janos without realizing that it reflects the CJK-like order of the Hungarian name. If the editor above were suggesting Janos Hary (or even János Háry) as the title of the article on the opera, that would be a bad mistake. --Jerzy•t 19:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Sneeze
"In Hungarian tradition a sneeze by the teller of a story is an indication that the story is not true." This is exactly the opposite of what I have always understood to be the case, that a sneeze was the guarantee of veracity: a quick Google turns up the following in support:

The opposite view (i.e. that represented by the present text) is however supported by the following:  together with a somewhat ambiguous statement at which probably supports the previously-cited  in warning that the very guarantee of veracity gives the story-teller the opportunity to work in any number of "elaborations". Vilcxjo 00:41, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

I have tried to adapt the text to reflect a slightly more complex understanding than simply "is it/isn't it true". Contributions from those with a deeper understanding of Hungarian folklore are welcome! Vilcxjo 01:06, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Found a quote from Kodály himself, which definitively answers the question. Incorporating it into article. Vilcxjo 12:33, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Intermezzo and Klezmer
Has anyone else noticed the similaries (melodically the same, only syncopated) between part five, the Intermezzo, and the klezmer piece "Lebedik Un Freylekn?" If you'd like to look it up, the Klezmer Conservatory Band does a version of it. You can find it on rhapsody.com or someplace like that. When I first heard it, I couldn't shake the feeling that I'd heard something very similar before. A quick check with my ipod revealed the similarities. What do you guys think? Does anyone know why? 08:38, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

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Stepanov

Stepanov (Степанов), female Stepanova is a common Russian and Serbian surname that is derived from the male given name Stepan and literally means Stepan's. The Latvianized form is Stepanovs. Notable people with the surname include:

 * Aleksandr Stepanov (disambiguation), several people
 * Alexandra Stepanova (born 1995), Russian ice dancer
 * Aleksandra Stepanova (handballer) (born 1989), Russian handball player
 * Aleksei Stepanov (born 1977), Russian association football player
 * Alexander Stepanov, designer of the C++ Standard Template Library
 * Alexei Stepanov (1858–1923), Russian painter
 * Andrei Stepanov (footballer) (born 1979), Estonian association football player
 * Galina Stepanova (rower) (born 1958), Russian Olympic rower
 * Galina Stepanova-Prozumenshchykova (1948–2015), Russian swimmer
 * Georgy Stepanov (1890-1953), Soviet naval officer
 * Igors Stepanovs, Latvian association football player
 * Ilona Štěpánová-Kurzová (1899–1975), Czech pianist and professor
 * Inna Stepanova (born 1990), Russian archer
 * Konstantin Stepanov (1922–1999), Soviet army officer and Hero of the Soviet Union
 * Maria Stepanova (born 1979), Russian basketball player
 * Marina Stepanova (born 1950), Russian hurdler
 * Milan Stepanov, Serbian association football player
 * Nadezhda Stepanova (born 1959), Russian long-distance runner
 * Oleg Stepanov (judoka), Soviet judoka
 * Olga Stepanova, Russian sport shooter
 * Onufriy Stepanov, an explorer of the Russian Far East
 * Sergei Stepanov (disambiguation), several people
 * Tatiana Stepanova (born 1962), Ukrainian ballet expert
 * Tatiana Stepanova (ballerina), Ukrainian ballerina
 * Varvara Stepanova (1894–1958), Russian avant-garde artist
 * Vasilijs Stepanovs, Latvian weightlifter
 * Vasiliy Stepanov (disambiguation), multiple people
 * Veronika Stepanova (born 2001), Russian cross-country skier
 * Vladimir Ivanovich Stepanov, Russian dancer
 * Vladimir Stepanov (disambiguation), multiple people
 * Vyacheslav Stepanov, Russian mathematician
 * Yuliya Stepanova (born 1962), Russian cross-country skier
 * Yuliya Stepanova (born 1986), Russian athlete

Fictional characters

 * Stepan Stepanov, or Uncle Styopa

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Danish name of the opera. --DrG 00:05, 2005 Jun 12 (UTC)

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Agriculture
Good thorough treatment, but not overly detailed for such an umbrella topic. Very strong History section. Partial self-nom. JDG 00:07, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Object. It's a good summary for such a vast topic, but it needs a longer lead section and the environmental problems and policy sections should be turned into prose. - SimonP 16:52, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * Object. I agree with Simon P here. Generally, it's an interesting read, but the Environmental Problems, Policy and Methods sections need expanding. They're basically just lists at the moment. Perhaps you could start off with including small summaries of each (e.g. "aeroponics is..."). Extraordinary Machine 18:19, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Object. As well as the objections listed above, I would like to see specific source citations inline. I have marked it up accordingly. --Theo  (Talk) 19:55, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Overall, it's a good article, but I must object since I don't really see any mention of how the finished goods are transported; a major part of farming is getting the product to buyers since failure to do so means no income from the product that is created. In my eyes, Agriculture isn't just planting and growing, it's also selling and transporting the finished product.  For example, the North American "wheat rush" every fall can generate revenues large enough to subsidize some small railroads for an entire year.  Many farmers in America join together into co-ops to market and transport their crops to buyers.  The Canadian Wheat Board was setup as an agency that would handle much of the marketing of various grains across Canada.  There's more that could be said, and I think it needs a mention here. slambo 19:46, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * Object too many lists, stats are not up to date (and I'd prefer to see stats from the FAO than the USDA), the format is bad in places, the list of methods and see alsos needs pruning to only the immediately relevant links, there is very little information on livestock (should have a section similar to crops), there needs to be a decent discussion of pest and disease management and trade of agricultural goods and futures, environmental policy and problems need to be prose.--nixie 22:47, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Far to broad a subject to be covered by one article. Each small diversity could be long article in itself e.g. "Wheat Production in East Anglia", or "Agriculture in Ancient Egypt". Not too mention the minefield of "Genetic crops"  The word agriculture can only really be a vague dictionary definition.  Agriculture should be a category not an article.  Not voting on this as my comments are not really actionable. Giano | talk 12:30, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Well, folks, you're right. I see now that as good as the existing text is, a number of other areas need to be fleshed out, foremost among them Livestock, as nixie says. But I disagree vehemently with Giano. When writing for WikiP I always keep kids in mind, your typical 12 or 14 year old who was just hit with a homework assignment. Poor kid needs to do a writeup on Agriculture, surfs optimistically over to the best new reference work in the world and is met with "Please use the Agriculture-related links below.", which links lead off to endlessly detailed, often obscure sub-aspects. No, we need strong entries for high--level topics like this. This movement to severely limit article size and throw everything relevant into sub-articles is downright poisonous. This is an encyclopedia, not a vast index-finger workout room. JDG 20:03, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Further comment Children today are not told "go find out what is agriculture" even at a young age thay are given a defined (excuse the pun) field to research, e.g what do cows eat to make milk, what are daddy cows called, why does mummy cow need a calf once a year, etc. etc. etc. That is the detail that needs to be covered on every aspect of agriculture if you are writing for children, or even adults who want to know more. Then one can cover more complex issues calving indexes, feed conversion rates. Yields per hectare. Fertiliser nitrogen rates per hectare to improve protein yields in milling wheat, the perceived detrimental effects of those rates on the environment, before one even approaches the history of the subject, the projected future of the subject, it's effects on the landscape. Agriculture in the political field of the 21st century (very relevant in Europe). The effects of irregation in agriculture on the economy of a country (think Egypt, Aswan damm) and so on. Giano | talk 20:57, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, being a parent of a 10-year-old, I've heard and helped with many of the homework assignments that have been assigned this year. Sometimes the question is "What is TOPIC?"  Other times, it's "Find 5 facts about TOPIC."  For questions like these, I showed my son how to do a quick search on WP to find an answer.  So, yes, we do need to think about children accessing the site for homework with broad questions.  However, we do need to stick to certain conventions when nominating articles for featured status.  I don't think these two goals are at odds with each other since brilliant prose can be, and often is, accessible to younger readers.  slambo 17:28, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)


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Murphy Radio

Murphy Radio was a British manufacturer of radios and televisions based in Welwyn Garden City, England.

Murphy Radio was founded in 1929 by Frank Murphy and E.J. Power as a volume manufacturer of home radio sets. Its factories were in the Hertfordshire town of Welwyn Garden City, England, starting with fewer than 100 employees. Murphy also had a manufacturing facility in Islandbridge, Dublin, Ireland.

The company played an important role during World War II, designing and manufacturing radio sets for British Armed Forces use, chiefly the Wireless Set No. 38. After the war, Murphy used its military experience to design and build sets for Naval use, principally the 'B40' series for the British Commonwealth Navies. The company also produced the Larkspur era A41 VHF manpack transceiver for the British Army during the 1950s.

Murphy himself left the company during 1937 and went on to found another company called, perhaps unwisely, 'FM Radio'. He died aged 65, in 1955. Although the company became well known for the manufacture of television sets, it was eventually amalgamated with Bush Radio in 1962. The brand 'Murphy' has survived, but as a licensee for Far Eastern electronics.

In 2012, the brand gained wide attention in India due to the movie Barfi!. A vintage Murphy radio also appears in the opening of the 2012 film Life of Pi.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Positivity

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was DELETE. Golbez 07:16, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

Positivity
Advertising. Not encyclopedic. Google search:. Oh and by the way, Tom Rath definitely didn't coin the term "positivity". I don't believe this needs a redirect to something relating to the physical/electrical concept of "positivity" or the emotional concept of "optimism" so I'm nominating it for deletion.  Barfooz  (talk)  00:09, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. — Phil Welch 00:57, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Neologism. Bratsche talk  5 pillars 01:02, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete neologism. JamesBurns 05:46, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - more of a definition than an encuclopedic entry. Maybe move it to the Wiktionary Epolk 16:48, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - neologism. Plus, I thought the Spice Girls invented the word. -Splash 23:07, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages.  Please do not edit this page .


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Humphrey Mitchell

Humphrey Mitchell, (September 9, 1894 – August 1, 1950) was a Canadian politician and trade unionist.

Life and career
A land surveyor employed with Hamilton Hydro, Mitchell was active with the union movement in the city. Upon the death of Hamilton East's Conservative Member of Parliament (MP), George Septimus Rennie in 1931, Mitchell was approached to run in the by-election to fill the seat as a Labour candidate. Hamilton East was a strong working class riding that had elected Labour candidates to the Legislative Assembly of Ontario and to city council.

The Liberals, in opposition having lost the previous year's general election did not run a candidate against Mitchell in order to avoid dividing the anti-Conservative vote. Given future events, it is also possible the Liberals believed that Mitchell would support the Liberal Party unofficially if elected.

Mitchell won the by-election, and entered the House of Commons of Canada. He did not get along well with the rump of Independent Labour MPs led informally by J.S. Woodsworth and referred to as the "Ginger Group". While Mitchell attended the "founding meeting" of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation in William Irvine's office, he refused to join the new party when Labour MPs joined with farmers groups, socialist groups and others to officially launch the CCF in 1932 and refused to work with its supporters in Parliament.

In the 1935 general election, the CCF ran a candidate against Mitchell in Hamilton East (while the Liberals, again, ran no candidate). The split in the labour and anti-Tory vote resulted in the Conservative candidate defeating Mitchell despite the nationwide trend against the Conservatives. Mitchell was then acclaimed to the Hamilton Board of Education as a school trustee that December.

Mitchell did not run in the 1940 election, however, following the death of Welland's Liberal MP in late 1941, Mitchell was appointed to the Cabinet of William Lyon Mackenzie King as Minister of Labour, and was elected shortly thereafter as the new Liberal MP for Welland. He served as Welland's MP and as Labour minister in the governments of King and Louis St. Laurent until his death in 1950.

Mitchell became Labour minister just over a year after the introduction of unemployment insurance in Canada, and oversaw the early implementation and expansion of the program. He also oversaw the mobilization of the labour force during World War II, and the widespread introduction of women into war production.

With the responsibilities his department had for immigration, he also had a controversial role in advocating and implementing the deportation or detention of tens of thousands of Japanese Canadians during the war.

Electoral record

 * }

!rowspan="2" colspan="2"|Candidate !rowspan="2" colspan="1"|Affiliation !colspan="2"|Popular vote !rowspan="2"| Elected? ! Votes ! %

!colspan="2" style="text-align:right;" |Acclaimed
 * style="text-align:left;" | Humphrey Mitchell
 * style="text-align:right;" | Independent Liberal-Labour
 * style="text-align:center;" |Yes check.svg
 * style="text-align:right;background-color:#FFFFFF;" colspan="3" |Total votes
 * style="text-align:right;background-color:#FFFFFF;" colspan="1" |
 * style="text-align:right;background-color:#FFFFFF;" colspan="2" |
 * style="text-align:right;background-color:#FFFFFF;" colspan="3" |Registered voters
 * style="text-align:right;background-color:#FFFFFF;" |
 * style="text-align:right;background-color:#FFFFFF;" colspan="1" |
 * style="text-align:left;background-color:#FFFFFF;" colspan="1" |
 * style="text-align:left;" colspan="6" | Note: Candidate campaign colours are used as a visual differentiation between candidates and to indicate affiliation.
 * style="text-align:left;" colspan="13" |Sources: "Five School Trustees Are Not Opposed", Hamilton Spectator, November 22, 1935, pp. 7,17.
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 * style="text-align:left;" colspan="6" | Note: Candidate campaign colours are used as a visual differentiation between candidates and to indicate affiliation.
 * style="text-align:left;" colspan="13" |Sources: "Five School Trustees Are Not Opposed", Hamilton Spectator, November 22, 1935, pp. 7,17.
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On Mr. Rennie's death, 13 October 1930:
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Talk:Iolanta

Russian name of the opera. --DrG 00:09, 2005 Jun 12 (UTC)

Recent cuts - February 2015
I reverted some recent performance history cuts.
 * 1) Saying the first performance ever at the Metropolitan Opera after 123 years is not a significant event seems subjective, many others would say it was. It attracted significant media attention, including the invasion of the stage by political protesters. Furthermore the event was referenced in several other places on the page, so the deletion did not make much sense,
 * 2) A citation tag is not becessarily a challenge of veracity, simply a request for the source. We have no reason to doubt the veracity, and the preferred option would have been to check the Bolshoi's own schedule. Frankly it does not matter how many performances were given in 2006, unless it was unusual, but it was performed and is in the repertoire. I added some citations.--Michael Goodyear (talk) 19:52, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Whether "firsts" at the Met are particularly notable is debatable. The paragraph about recordings of Robert's aria, a filmed version, and regularly performances at the Bolshoi and in Belarus had been challenged since January 2010. I don't doubt the veracity, but such statements in Wikipedia articles need references. If they stay unsourced after 5 years, they should be removed. The reference from the Bolshoi you now added doesn't support that claim either, and the other two parts of that paragraph remain unsourced. Appropriate tags, failed verification and citation needed, should be added. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:59, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

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Jeremias Benjamin Richter

Jeremias Benjamin Richter (10 March 1762 – 4 May 1807) was a German chemist. He was born at Hirschberg in Silesia, became a mining official at Breslau in 1794, and by 1800 was appointed assessor to the department of mines and chemist to the royal porcelain factory at Berlin, where he died. He is known for introducing the term stoichiometry.

Developer of titration
He made some of the earliest known determinations of the quantities by weight in which acids saturate bases and bases acids. He realised that those amounts of different bases which can saturate the same quantity of a particular acid are equivalent to each other (see Titration).

He was thus led to conclude that chemistry is a branch of applied mathematics and to endeavour to trace a law according to which the quantities of different bases required to saturate a given acid formed an arithmetical progression, and the quantities of acids saturating a given base a geometric progression.

Law of definite proportions (stoichiometry)
Evidence for the existence of atoms was inferred from the law of definite proportions proposed by him in 1792. Richter found that the ratio by weight of the compounds consumed in a chemical reaction was always the same. It took 615 parts by weight of magnesia (MgO), for example, to neutralize 1000 parts by weight of sulfuric acid. From his data, Ernst Gottfried Fischer calculated in 1802 the first table of chemical equivalents, taking sulphuric acid as the standard with a value of 1000. When Joseph Proust reported his work on the constant composition of chemical compounds, the time was ripe for the reinvention of an atomic theory. The law of definite proportions and constant composition alone do not prove that atoms exist, but their existence is difficult to explain without assuming that chemical compounds are formed when atoms combine in constant proportions.

Publications
His findings were published in Über die neueren Gegenstände in der Chemie (1792–1802) and Anfangsgründe der Stöchiometrie or Messkunst chemischer Elemente (1792–1794), but a considerable period of time elapsed before they were fully acknowledged. This was partly because some of his work was incorrectly ascribed to Carl Wenzel by Jons Berzelius which was only corrected in 1841 by Henri Hess, professor of chemistry at St. Petersburg, and author of the laws of constant heat-sums and of thermoneutrality.

Later work
Between 1792 and 1794 he published a three-volume summary of his work on the law of definite proportions. In this book Richter introduced the term stoichiometry, which he defined as the art of chemical measurements, which has to deal with the laws according to which substances unite to form chemical compounds.

Richter was fascinated with the role of mathematics in chemistry. Unfortunately, his writing style has been described as obscure and clumsy. His work therefore had little impact until 1802, when it was summarized by Ernst Gottfried Fischer in terms of tables.

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New Future

Ny Framtid, abbreviated NYF (New Future) was a eurosceptic political party in Sweden. It was founded before the 1994 parliamentary elections in an attempt to prevent Sweden from joining the European Union. After Sweden joined the EU, the party changed its political position and declared their goal to get Sweden to leave the EU, and instead creating a deeper co-operation with Norway and Finland, in a movement reminiscent of Scandinavism. In the 2002 parliamentary elections it received 9337 votes, making it the tenth largest party outside of the Swedish parliament, and 1171 votes in the 2006 elections.

The party has not campaigned in any elections since 2006.

Policies

 * Sweden leaving the European Union
 * More job creation
 * Lower taxes on fuel so no one would have pay more than 7 SEK for a litre of fuel.
 * Strong opposition to discrimination and racism
 * Higher pensions for pensioners
 * Higher salaries for workers
 * Progressive taxation

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Talk:Serve (tennis)

Serve terminology: Should that be removed or moved to See Also?
Not sure I see the point of the terminology section. I'm considering removing it, but can anyone present a compelling reason why it should not be touched? Thanks. Katsarephat (talk) 16:12, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Kick Serve vs. Twist Serve
Could someone please clarify the difference between these two serves before I combine the two. There is no such thing as a pure topspin serve....it is impossible to generate pure topspin during the serve. The brushing action ranges from pure sidespin to something like 45 degrees. The term twist serve is older then the term Kick and I have heard of the twist serve referred to as Australian Twist and American Twist. Nowadays everybody says kick. I think these two sections should be combined.

This article confuses a Kick Serve and Topsin Serve - a Topspin serve is not a "type of Kick serve." You are right to combine the Kick and "Twist" Serve because they are one and the same (the latter using a dated term). A Topspin serve is where the ball spins forewards and bounces high and in the same direction from which it was hit. A Kick serve is hit with forewards/sideways spin (right-way spin for right-handers, left-way spin for left-handers). It generally bounces higher than a Topspin serve and changes direction once it hits the ground. The Kick serve is used by most professionals as their second serve. A Topspin serve is easier to pull off since it requires a less efficient throwing motion and less wrist pronation. Magnifico19 02:47, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

We are not going to settle the dispute about what a kick serve is here. We must live with the fact that "kick serve" means different things to different people. Most use the term "kick serve" to apply to any serve with heavy topspin on it = the topspin serve and the twist serve. The high topspinning bounce that results seems like the court "kicks" the ball up at the receiver. Those who argue that a "kick serve" is a twist serve are associating the term "kick" with the breaking bounce of the twist serve only. But they have a hard time explaining why the term "kick" has also long been used to describe the bounce of any shot (such as a drive) with heavy topspin on it. Call the twist serve a "twist serve," period. Say that it is a kick serve. But also note that most regard the topspin serve as a kick serve as well.

As for the argument that there is no such thing as a pure topspin serve, it holds no water. There is no such thing as a pure flat serve or slice serve either. These are relative terms. Ken2849 03:45, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Intention to serve
I saw one minor flaw in this article. The author(s) mention that if you touch the ball with your racket or body it is a fault. However, this is not the case. As long as you did not intend on hitting the ball, it is not a fault. For example, you may catch the ball on your racket if you don't like your toss.

I SAW THIS AS WELL AND CHANGED IT ONCE BUT HE CHANGED IT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL WRONG VERSION I just changed it again, by the way. I think we'll just keep doing this until he/she gets tired of changing it back. So ignorant to not even look up to see that my change was legit before changing it back. Maybe his was the truth in The Congo Jungle Tennis Association rulebook.

Proper grip for serves
I've always thought the continental grip is somewhat less natural on serve (but not on strokes). Using the grip, the racket doesnt face squarely to the ball; many players trying to hit a twist serve for the first time often hits it on the frame. After a while the continental grip is easier to use, but novices often have trouble with it. Anyway, your text is much nicer. Cheers -Aree
 * I myself think it's much easier to use for any kind of serve, whether spin, twist, or flat. But then I use it for everything anyway.  True, when I was a kid, sometimes I would hit the frame when trying to hit an American twist serve.  But I would also hit myself on the left shin during the follow-through of a flat serve.  Ouch!

 * The continental grip is the proper grip for all types of serves, except maybe a flat serve can be hit with an Eastern.Magnifico19 03:04, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Geez, would you please join the adults and delete those stupid pix that idiot is posting into the tennis article. How can he/she/it possibly be so stupid?  Words fail me.... Double cheers! Hayford Peirce 00:50, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Serve and volley vs. Serve-volley

 * There are 4 times more Googles hits for "serve and volley" than "serve-volley". I think that the article "serve-volley" should be renamed to the other.  But I'm too lazy to go to the trouble to move it around myself. Hayford Peirce 00:01, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Thought so as well. Serve-volley term is not used so much.

Which side of the court
Which side of the court does the receiver stand on odd and even points?

 * On Even points (Deuce), the server and receiver stand on the right side of their respective courts. On Odd points (Advantage), on the left side.

Great servers
What is Svetlana Kuznetsova doing in this list? What makes a great server? First serve speed? Winning percentage? Serve positioning? Aces? All of the above? One of the above?

What's the criteria for a "great server?" Where is McEnroe? There should be some standard for such a list.

I alphabetized the list, since it was, basically, random.

I also suggest that, if the list survives, it should be two lists -- men and women. Don't start screaming, but the best professional men server much faster than even the best professional women. JJ 00:26, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

 * None of these valid points were ever addressed, nor were they followed up on. There is only one way to go about handling this in an encyclopedic manner and that is removal. This is to be reinstated ONLY when verified and defined: what makes the best servers, and who made the call. Drmies (talk) 20:33, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

popularization of the American twist serve
I've been using it off and on since 1955 and consider myself at least a fair student of the history of tennis and I've never heard that bit about the Davis Cup in relation to it. Not saying it isn't true, but I think there ought to be some real *facts* here before it's so baldly stated. For instance: *which* Davis Cup round? Who was playing? Who used the American twist? Did it work? Etc. etc. Hayford Peirce 04:07, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Topspin-Slice serve???
Has anyone heard of this? It seems like an oxymoron to me - how can you hit a ball with topspin and still make it dive downwards? I will remove this section if others agree.Magnifico19 03:09, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * "Slice" refers to "sidespin" in regard to serves. This type of serve spins with topspin but also curves to one side.--70.253.208.227 04:56, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Topspin-slice serve vs. Twist
Perhaps I misunderstand, but what is the difference between topspin-slice and twist serves? The descriptions even make them sound the same except that they bounce differently. If they are hit the same and spin the same, why does one bounce one way, and one the other? Either the article is in error, or this point could use some clarification. I'm a beginner, and trying to learn, so thanks for your help oh tennis gurus.--Dbbenton 01:39, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

 * These two serves are hit differently. I favour the topspin-slice serve and I hit the ball usually above and to the right of my head. The twist is hit above your head or even sometimes above and behind it. The strokes are somewhat different which causes the differences. Jaewonnie (talk) 00:04, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Puff-ball Serve
I see this term used a lot in news reports but its meaning is not easily found on the web. Wikipedia could really help here. Could someone who knows more add a definition? 150.101.78.49 (talk) 23:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * if i had to guess, I think it would be a begginer's serve where the ball is tossed directly in front of you, and then "punched" over the net with the racquet only using part of your arm (ususally just the wrist or elbow down). I've never heard that term before, though, so just a stab in the dark.

Useless Information
"In the anime/manga named "Prince of Tennis", the main character; Ryoma Echizen, uses this move a lot!" That is not relevant to the article at all. It has been removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.41.118.95 (talk) 19:46, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Rectocentricity?
I'm a lefty and this article, with the serve description directions being right-handed, is confusing to me. I understand that writing the article over again for southpaws makes no sense, but could someone clarify directions and add a warning about those directions being for a right-handed player? Thanks in advance. MToolen (talk) 20:01, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

 * I'm also a lefty and I will take a look and see what I can do. Thanks. Katsarephat (talk) 16:10, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Legal standing position
The 'Legal Serves' paragraph doesn't say where you can serve from, exactly.

Can you serve from outside the inner tram-line?

Can you serve from outside the outer tram-line?

Trafford09 (talk) 18:08, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

'Players with great first serves' section = dubious?
IMHO, the 'Players with great first serves' section is pointless, unless the reason for a particular player's inclusion is given (which in 4 cases it is) _and_ citations are given. Otherwise, anyone could add a player in (and I guess delete a player).

Are there official statistics held - and accessible as valid [wp:RS]] - for each player's serving success? Trafford09 (talk) 18:15, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Nobody looking after this part of Tennis, it seems, so I've been wp:Bold, and removed the 'Others players' subsection. Of course, feel free to add (or re-add) a player PROVIDED you can also supply wp:RS to back up their claim. --Trafford09 (talk) 08:29, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Lets
Can someone who is experienced with editing in Wikipedia try to add what I was trying to add about the alternative rule to play lets. (You'll find it in history.) Currently, the way the footnotes are set up is confusing because the footnote is not a reference for what is written there but rather an exception. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carinamc (talk • contribs) 00:55, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Haas serve
Can somebody please use an image in which server does NOT foot fault, thanks. Splićanin (talk) 08:22, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

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Magiya

Magiya Hala (Manchu: ; Chinese: 馬佳氏) was one of the Manchu Great Eight Clans. Originated from Giyaliku Magiya area, named by the place.

After the demise of the dynasty, some of its descendants sinicized their clan name to the Chinese surnames Ma (馬) or Jin (金).

Males

 * Tuhai (图海), a grand tutor of crown prince, a grand secretary of Zhonghe hall and first class Zhongda duke (一等忠达公), later enshrined in Imperial Ancestral Temple under the name Wenxiang (文襄)
 * Nuomin (诺敏), a Minister of Rites
 * Ma'ersai (马尔塞)
 * Gaishan (盖山), an examiner (员外郎，pinyin:yuanwailang)
 * Santai (三台)
 * Santian (三忝)
 * Hengguang (恒广)
 * Shengjin (昇寅)
 * Baoxun (宝询), a supervisor of the Manor of Charitable Heaven (奉天府尹) and General Shengjing (盛京将军)
 * Baolin, a supervisor of the Manor of Stable Knowledge (定知府)
 * Shaoying (绍英), a Minister of Revenue in 1911
 * Shijie (世杰) & Shiliang (世良)
 * Prince Consort
 * Prince Consort

Females
Imperial Consort
 * Consort
 * Consort Rong (d. 1727), the Kangxi Emperor's consort, the mother of Chengrui (1667–1670), Saiyinchahun (1672–1674), Princess Rongxian (1673–1728), Changhua (1674), Changsheng (1675–1677) and Yunzhi (1677–1732)

Princess Consort
 * Concubine
 * Yunki's concubine, the mother of Princess (1699–1743), Lady (1703–1724) and Lady (1705–1784)

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Talk:West Coast Main Line

New route diagram
I created a shorter but wider double-column version of the diagram in the sandbox. I felt it would be too WP:BOLD to simply change the existing, so I am instead asking for comments. AlgaeGraphix (talk) 01:14, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks like an improvement to me. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 20:32, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

West Coast Route Modernisation
Does anyone think the whole saga of the 1999-2010? WCRM needs its own Wikipedia article? GRALISTAIR (talk) 12:59, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
 * If you've got more information to add than what is already recorded here then an independent article could be good. I imagine there's a lot of information that isn't particularly relevant to the WCML today but could be useful if contained in its own article. NemesisAT (talk) 14:07, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Well it would not happen overnight. There is all the lead up and all referencing and House of Commons etc questions, to make the article truly encyclopedic. It is certainly something I would enjoy doing but do not want to do  a huge amount of work if the article then gets rejected by an over-zealous reviewer. Chicken or egg I guess GRALISTAIR (talk) 15:01, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I noticed some of your articles got rejected in the past. I thought they looked good! I tend to just create the article straight away, occasionally someone will move it to the draftspace. Unfortunately I can't commit to helping write such an article as I should be spending less time on Wikipedia. NemesisAT (talk) 16:22, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Well I did write the article and it did get accepted so that is good. I keep getting suggestions form SuggestBot saying this article needs more references but it looks pretty good to me GRALISTAIR (talk) 15:17, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Wolverton bend: citation help needed
At Wolverton railway station, there are two statements that need a citation or they will have to be deleted. Can anyone oblige with a book reference as apparently the only info online is wp:CIRCULAR. Thank you if you can. (I have also put this question at talk:Advanced Passenger Train.) 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 23:29, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * With the advent of fast trains, Wolverton gained notoriety among railwaymen for its famously tight curve.
 * The Advanced Passenger Train failed its trials here in the early 1990s but the Pendolino tilting trains passed them in the early 2000s.

Class 730 "Aventra"
Some of these units have been introduced on the south section from London Euston to Bletchley. Article should be updated to reflect this https://www.londonnorthwesternrailway.co.uk/travel-information/whats-new/new-trains https://railuk.com/rolling-stock/lnr-welcomes-class-730-into-passenger-service/ Memediatek (talk) 13:54, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

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Huskies Stadium

Huskies Stadium is a Canadian football stadium at Saint Mary's University in Halifax, Nova Scotia, home to the Saint Mary's Huskies.

It had a promoted capacity of 9,000 to 11,000 that is achievable via temporary seating, but the actual permanent seating is only 2,000. It was built in 1969 for the 1970 Canada Summer Games. It has hosted many Canadian Interuniversity Sport Atlantic & Uteck Bowl national semi-final football games.

On June 11, 2005, the stadium hosted an exhibition game between the Hamilton Tiger-Cats and the Toronto Argonauts to gauge Halifax's public support for a CFL franchise. The game was called "Touchdown Atlantic". For the game, the stadium's capacity was temporarily augmented to 11,148. In July 2009, new seating was added that holds up to 500 people on the east-end of the stadium.

The main grandstand was demolished in Spring 2014. The site was used for football and track in 2014 with seating for fans on new east-side bleachers and on a new grassed area formerly occupied by the stadium grandstand. The university said at the time it will continue to examine options for a future new grandstand facility in the interim.

On July 25, 2020, the stadium was scheduled to host Touchdown Atlantic, a regular-season CFL game between the Toronto Argonauts and the Saskatchewan Roughriders, but the game was ultimately rescheduled for 2022 and relocated to Wolfville, Nova Scotia, due to the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic. Another Touchdown Atlantic game was played on July 29, 2023. For the 2023 contest, the venue was augmented with temporary seating to bring the capacity to 11,555 spectators.

title: Huskies Stadium