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User talk:Hadal/Archive5

This is an archive of User talk:Hadal spanning the 1st of February to April 27th, 2005. I most likely won't reply to anything posted here, so if you want to address something in this archive please post a new section to my talk page. -- Hadal 03:03, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

HO Scale
What do you mean to say that HO is superior to Z? Train layouts are actually best in the good way in O, but HO is till the better one.

3RR on race
User:Slrubenstein has just broken the 3RR rule on race. He should be blocked for 24 hours. Jalnet2 20:30, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Just for the record, I chose not to act on this because it was rather late by the time I read the message and because I hadn't been following the issue and hadn't the time to decide if a block really was necessary. -- Hadal

Petrified wood edits
Hi - looks like we were editing at the same time. I took a while - reading that artificial petrified wood reference, need a better ref than USA Today methinks. Anyway, when I saved my edit there was no edit conflict warning so was not aware that I had wiped your edit out. Sorry 'bout that. -Vsmith 12:52, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hair
Back to version with 'Hair-miracle'.

Mr Hadal: the woman concerned has give me permission for publishing the pictures and she felt rather offended by your saying that her hair is gray. If you look better then you see that the “gray” is actually gloss (some pictures without gloss show indeed dark brown hair) and you can see the tiny amount of real gray in the hair in the micro-picture.

Besides, I thought that censorship was only applied to insulting discriminating or dirty texts. I can find neither of that in the text or pictures. Why censoring this? Can you tell me the real reason?

I always thought (and was told) that Wikipedia was a ‘free’ encyclopedia. But if censorship is applied because the opinion of one single person, Mr. Hadal, and thus forbidding all other Wikipedia-readers to get known of the (harmless) text concerned, then I think it’s a sad thing.

Isn't it better to save your censorship powers for real insulting or social-damaging texts or texts that have a technical problem (concerning the programming language or the lay-out of Wikipedia itself, for instance) instead of harmless texts which want to tell something special?

If you yet doubt about the color of her hair, in spite of some pictures which show very obvious dark brown hair (dark blonde), why don't you come to the Netherlands to visit this lady and thus convincing yourself of the truth?

If the hair is gray indeed, well, then I'll pay you back the journey to the Netherlands (because than I have been wrong, which I'm certainly not).

You can contact me at my e-mail about that: caterpillar27@home.nl

 * I've replied at User talk:Caterpillar. -- Hadal 13:45, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Nogay vs. Nogai
I apologize, I had no idea. However it still stands the term Nogai is the correct descritpion. I have checked multiple Dictionaries such as Webster and they all agree if you can find anywhere that is lists Nogay to be the proper term let me know, I can't. It is much more than Google results, and often Google results are a good way to find such things. 207.224.215.134 21:28, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Don't Try To Bully Me
My external links were placed at the end of the page, and were presented as different viewpoint opinions to add to the depth of the article, not as facts(which have POVs). If you would like to be an ostrich, trying to stifle information by sticking your head in the sand, that's fine. You cannot intimidate me.

Now, if you'd excuse me, I have more external links to add to the Bush page. --Karmafist 03:34, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I apologize for jumping the gun, a more experienced Wikipedian friend looked at my talk page and helped me understand that the admin "threat" wasn't from you, but just someone pretending to be you on a blank IP.

I appreciate the work you're doing, and thanks for sticking up for me against that fake admin. I have no desire to censor anyone unless they are defammatory, but in return I expect the same treatment. I think for the most part Wikipedia does this, and I hope I can help it grow as I get more experienced at it.

--Karmafist 14:52, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Question
Hello, Hadal. I've got a simple question to which I can't find an answer in the Wikipedia's help section, and I was hoping you could give me an answer:

What is the policy relating to images that aren't used in articles, but rather in User pages? Do I need to use any special idetification for the image's name? Is there a maximum number of images allowed (I am not thinking about including more than three)? Cheers. --Sn0wflake 15:40, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Image on commons
On DYK, you said: (Image:Humpback anglerfish.png is at the Commons, so loading a local version might necessary to hinder vandalism). Can't we ask someone at the commons to temporarily protect the pic? Mgm|(talk) 11:41, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)
 * Oops, you're right that wasn't you. Good article anyway. :) I'll just put it up and see if it works without protection. I would imagine signing up for the commons just to deface a pic would be way too much trouble for people. Besides, they have to find it first. Please, feel free to load a local version if you think it's necessary. Mgm|(talk) 13:42, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, it was me. It's a good example of an ToL article, and the picture is both striking and thumbnails well. However, it's an interesting dilemma: The Commons is an excellent repository, but even if it is protected, a local image with the same name would override it. But in the interests of obscurity I'm not going to bring it up, at least while it's on the front page. Anyway:

 Did you know has been updated and a fact from the article black seadevil, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you have another interesting fact to submit, then please suggest it at the section's talk page.

Well done. (And despite widespread usage, "anonymous" is a misnomer. I have a static IP, which makes me considerably less anonymous than anyone who is masked by an account. "Unregistered" is more accurate.) 68.81.231.127

 * Thanks. But I wouldn't stop using the Commons. This is a very narrow, obscure, potential problem which can be addressed at that level (uploading a local image, protecting it, and deleting afterwards one way). It's just the first time it's come up since the main page was locked down. I'll probably bring it up tomorrow. The worst thing about the Common is obscurity... it took me quite a while to figure out that I could steal the Nile crocodile range map even without the power to upload images. :) 68.81.231.127 16:20, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * There is no solution yet, but it's being discussed at: Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Front page security hole.3F 68.81.231.127 23:46, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Graffiti on current events
Thanks for quick reverts. I have blocked 205.223.214.108 for 2 hours. --user:Ed Poor|Uncle Ed (talk) 19:21, Feb 8, 2005 (UTC)

User:210.50.249.123
please see his talk page and his contributions, including those of other accounts he has used to post on talk:Liberal Party of Australia. is there something that can be done about such recalcitrants? Xtra 04:12, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Mark replied to me first and said he would not block. I don't want you to block based on that as Mark has told me it would be innapropriate. Xtra 05:00, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

User: 12.75.217.238
Hi, I noticed you reverted vandalism by 12.75.217.238 on my user page. I believe he/she is angry that I asked them not to remove a VfD page from an article. He/she continues to vandalize my user page (after having been warned). If you feel a block is warranted, it would be appreciated. Thanks. Carrp | Talk 03:59, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your quick action and reverts of vandalism. Good work! Carrp | Talk 04:12, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks kindly for the rv on my user page. I've blocked the new IP address, not sure how much good it'll do. Meelar (talk) 04:21, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)

 * Cheers yourself. I've been busy, but it is good to be back (and to have people notice I'm not around). Best, Meelar (talk) 04:38, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)

Anon "Save Enterprise" vandal
Good catch on the Star Trek page with the "Save Enterprise" vandal. I did a quick check and reverted a similar bit of graffiti from the same user at the Les Moonves page. Although I want to see Enterprise saved, this gives the effort a bad name. Unfortunately it's just an anonymous user. I'll have to keep a close eye on some of the Trek pages I have on my watchlist. Cheers. 23skidoo 03:53, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Followup - I hear ya. ENT, Alias and Corner Gas are the only shows I watch anymore (BSG is on at a bad time for me but I know it'll undoubtedly be put on DVD so I'm not too concerned). I spend more time watching DVDs than broadcast these days (UFO and Wonderfalls are the two series that are alternating in my player right now). At least ENT is going out in style. I don't know if you get a UPN feed where you are (I'm in Calgary) but tonight's episode was excellent and I don't see a potential dud among the 8 episodes that are left. 23skidoo 04:13, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Princess Eugenie of York
Congratulations on spotting my test-vandalism in two minutes. I thought nobody would find it, despite the edit summary, for at least five since I only added a colon. Please reply here.--212.100.250.212 07:18, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Heh. Thanks, I guess. I would have been even quicker if I weren't presently falling asleep at my keyboard. But for the sake of all things wiki, please use the Sandbox for any further tests, okay? :) -- Hadal 07:22, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * I wasn't doing it to test the syntax. I know all about that, as you can s ee. I was testing how fast vandalism would be reverted.--212.100.250.212 07:26, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Noted. I hope your expectations were exceedingly exceeded. -- Hadal 07:30, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
For reverting vandalism to my user page. Fredrik | talk 15:35, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Greetings!
Are you a Todo?

Holocaust
I wish to complain about a paragraph in this topic.

"Adherents of this position claim that there never was a Nazi attempt to exterminate the Jews, and that many other minorities were persecuted as severely or worse than the Jews, particularly Ukranians under Stalin (the latter persecutions are often attributed to Jews). Many people who hold this position further claim that Jews and/or Zionists know that the Holocaust never occurred, yet that they nonetheless disingenuously use the Holocaust to further their political agenda. These views are not accepted as credible by mainstream historians."

Now I do not deny the Holocaust nor the extent of the suffering at the hands of the Nazis. But what I do have a problem is the insinuation that we who believe that the Holodomor had just as many victims as the Holocaust(which is clearly up for debate. The exact numbers for both tragedies is not known), are in fact belittling the impact or the scope of the Holocaust. While no doubt, many people seek to belittle the impact of the Holocaust by noting the numbers of other purges throughout history because of their anti-Jewish beliefs, I and many others, are not among this group. So we take issue with such a statement on Wikipedia.

 * I've replied at User talk:DM123. -- Hadal 02:54, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
For your hard work on wikipedia. Specifically, thanks for reverting the vandalism on my user page. - snoyes 18:54, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

vandalism
your userpage was vandalised by User:Sass. Xtra 13:53, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

for hadal
mr hadal i am just having a good time and i am removing my edited pages only seconds after posting them.

$#!@&^%
Sheesh

P.S. Are you a Todo?

Anon VFD-Recommending Vandalism
What's up with 64.12.117.12 (and others of similar IPs) putting vfd tags on ALL the articles I work on? Many thanks for reverting his/her horseplay. —ExplorerCDT 05:33, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

My user page
Thanks for reverting 198.81.26.7's vandalisation of my user page, lookin at edit histories, I think he's also going after people's talk pages. Thanks for fixing my page in 2 minutes at 2am! Boffy b 10:41, 2005 Feb 20 (UTC)

Multi-stub
Hey tere, Hadal. I've got a very quick question which I think you can answer: I recently orgnaized Jupe, and today an user made an edit to it where he added two different stub classes to the sub-sections of the article. Is this technically correct? Thanks in advance! (Mark) --Sn0wflake 15:27, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Great idea, man. Thanks for the input! --Sn0wflake 03:34, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Re: Bukkake
Hi-

There is a wikipedia page on the topic "bukkake". Here is the URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bukkake.

I added an external link to the web site "Bukkake.com" on this page and it was removed for "vandalism". The only article that this external link was added to was the article on bukkake. Here is the URL for the Bukkake.com site: [blacklisted link removed by EVula].

The Bukkake.com site has over 100 pages of bukkake-related content and its existence PREDATES the wikipedia article about this topic. Although Bukkake.com accepts advertising from some adult sites, it is not a porn site. I would argue that it is one of the best sources in the world for information about bukkake. It is a safe bet that whoever wrote the wikipedia article looked at Bukkake.com to get some of the information now published on the wikipedia site. What is the rationale for removing this external link?

 * I've replied at User talk:64.174.151.22. -- Hadal 03:25, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

PLEASE VOTE

 * Wikipedia talk:Requested moves - help save Requested Moves, bring friends. I'd hope you vote to keep voting at RM instead of running away to cabal at distant talk pages. —ExplorerCDT 19:15, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Image use.
Hi Gregory.

Could you please contact me at: gospideygo(at)gmail(dot)com about the origin and use of this image.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Blue_morpho_butterfly.jpg

Thank you.

Holocaust
O, sorry. I thought you did write it. I sometimes get confused on these things. While I don´t like the idea that you said "many people do" because it leaves the potential for those you wish to bring up the discussion of numbers to charges of being deniers when they are not, I understand your reasoning to say that. Thank you for your message.

Response from 64.246.58.26
Dear Hadal, My deepest apology. Forgive my ignorance in the past. Since I had not realised that one had to login to edit the pages. The edit that I made was to add a link to the page regarding the topic "mid-levels", as I found this site on the internet that was quite interesting and would like to share with readers. I have a lot of respect for the Wikipedia site and for all those people who have contributed to it. Hence, I have absolutely no intention to deface (editing pages without loggin in) it. From now on, I will register and will refrain from editing without having logged in.

 * Hmm. I've replied at User talk:66.139.77.214. -- Hadal 03:18, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Katharine Hepburn
Thank you for rv'ing those changes. I am relatively new to dealing with problems from other Wikipedia users so I wanted to bring this to your attention, since you're an admin. This person has actually regularly been deleting material from the KH article and you now represent about the third person who has RV'ed their completely unexplained and unwarranted deletions. I have left two messages now on two separate talk pages in response to the most recent deletions but some of the problem may be that this person logs in from different IP's, so I'm not sure they're getting the message. It is most likely the same person as they make virtually the exact same changes every time, and their IP's all trace back to PacBell Internet. It's not vandalism exactly -- nothing profane added, entire page not blanked -- but it certainly is disruptive and goes against the guideline of logging in before making drastic changes to existing articles. The IP's in question seem to be: 63.202.235.24 ( -- the one you rv'ed), 63.202.233.235, 64.169.233.195 , 63.207.141.97 , and possibly others. Looking back through the history page before I got involved, it appears that this person has in fact deleted the same information about 6 other times. I'm now approaching the three-revert rule, and this person has clearly violated it already, so I am at a loss as to how to go from here. Katefan0 17:25, Mar 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * Got your generous message. Thanks so much for your insight.  So far it's been quiet... but he seems to pop back up every few days.  I don't mind being diligent ;).  I think I'm going to post to RfC and keep a watch... (I'm betting that I care more about the topic than whoever this is). Katefan0 22:59, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)

You warned me
Hey jerk, I'm not Intimidated, he's just my mate. So kindly don't think we are one in the same. Thank you :-)

Oi
I didn't ask for the warning to be removed. I merely wanted to point out that we were separate people. There's no needs to get snippy.

yep
you heard me

Hey Dickless,
Whether or not someone chose to call an electron a negatron (note that this is currently underlined in red as it is NOT a word) to allow parallelism to the positron, the fact is that it is not what people call electrons, under any circumstance. Grow a pair.

 * Not that you deserve one, but I've responded at User talk:128.135.116.37. -- Hadal 05:30, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * 128.135.116.37, there are two reasons you shouldn't stoop to personal attacks in this matter. One is that it's against our code of conduct.  The other is that...  well...  it's really sad.  This is what riles your blood, inflames you with a fever for vengeance?  Whether "negatron" is a real synonym for an electron or not?  That's ... really sad.  If you were getting inflamed about something that would send a single child in the world to bed hungry -- then your inability to keep your discourse civilized would be more understandable.  But I can't help thinking that if you woke Einstein himself in the middle of the night and cried "Professor Einstein, someone's calling the electron a 'negatron'!" his response would not be "Gruss Gott!  Those  dickless bastards!" but "Oh.  Can I go back to sleep now?"  -- Antaeus Feldspar 15:29, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hey Oneball
The following textbooks I have have no mention of negatron in their index

Quantum physics- Eisberg and Resnick Principals of Quantum Mechanics- Shankar Physical Chemistry- McQuarey and Simon Physical Chemistry- Berry, Rice and Ross Inorganic Chemistry- Miessler and Tarr Principles of Modern Chemistry- Oxtoby, Gillis and Nachrieb Quantum Physics- Gasiorowicz Classical Electricity and Magnetism- Panofsky and Phillips Introduction to Electrodynamics- Griffiths

I own no other textbooks that would possibly mention wrong namesof the electron The bottom line is that at best, one will see negatron and wrongly think that it is synonymous for electron.

I hope you have buds growing down there by now (don't pick at them)

RC Airplane
Hi! When I saw that article in recent changes I thought to add a category/stub template in hopes that it could be accurately expanded (until the sarcasm popped up, which I deleted, and then you canned the article ;) ). Unfortunately, sarcasm was added by the same IP. Oh well, that particular article is better in the delete pile anyway...At least, until a non-circular definition and content can be added. Tygar 03:58, Mar 6, 2005 (UTC)

Marvin Griffin Article
You will note that the Marvin Griffin article is heavily plagiarized from a website called the New Georgia Encyclopedia.

 * I don't think so; see my reply at User talk:68.211.111.113. -- Hadal 02:49, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

What's wrong with the above template being added to your userpage? Please reply here.--anon

 * I already have that template on my userpage—at the very bottom where I prefer it to be. -- Hadal 19:56, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Why the heck did you bug me for vandalism?
I'm on a school network and have not accessed it all day until now, when you gave me crap for "vandalism" on Castro... I didn't do it... !!!! There're 700 of us here, and we have aboot(Canadian like you) 500 seperate IPs for the school (280 computers on network)... so there's really no reason to bug us with the message about vandalism, because the vandal doesn't get your message.

-Lep

 * It's standard procedure to warn before blocking; that said, I was not the one who warned you today. I've replied at User talk:199.243.125.2. -- Hadal 19:56, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Lord's Page
I've used up my three reverts on the Lords Page spammer at The Da Vinci Code, and he's arguably not quite near enough to outright vandalism for me to exceed it. He's still pushing the book, and beginnng to show a degree of cunning by concealing his additions in larger rearrangements. -- 21:10, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

dere hadal
who ever you are / administrator or not

you are not up on this topic enough to be editing inputs in regard to it

try reading Da Vinci Code / Holy Blood Holy Grail and many more, .... and The Jesus Presidents

BEFORE weirdly commenting on topics you are not up on

Gregory, Why are you so concerned with the deborah page. Your name is not Deborah.

Dumb Butt
Alright. Thanks for understanding Haldal.

General Mayhem
FYI, this is on their main forum page here, so we may get a few more dings. Temp protection has worked in the past if it gets to be too much. Of course, blocking the really annoying IP's isn't bad either :) -- Netoholic @ 04:47, 2005 Mar 9 (UTC)

Probably needs another temporary protection -. -- Netoholic @ 07:14, 2005 Mar 30 (UTC)

Diamond
Gregory, I've responded to your comments on my talk page. Get ready for a nice long read... :) Bantman 18:17, Mar 11, 2005 (UTC)

 * Brilliant work on material properties of diamond! Three cheers! Bantman 07:11, Mar 13, 2005 (UTC)

 * Gregory, just located a fantastic drawing of the historical development of cuts ... only problem is, it's in German. Do you think you could relabel the cuts in English (I don't recognize all of them, so I don't know the right names to use for each one)?  I think it would be a valuable addition to both the main article and the diamond cut article. - Bantman 19:55, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)

Can You Help Me?
You seem to be an authority, as I saw you just blocked someone. I'm trying to stop a vandal who enjoys creating nonsense pages and defending them by removing the delete tags. Now he's made one named after me. There's no threats being made, but he's obviously not "editing in good faith."

See my vandalism notice here: Vandalism_in_progress Thanks. --Feitclub 07:28, Mar 12, 2005 (UTC)

 * OK, thank you for help. --Feitclub 07:32, Mar 12, 2005 (UTC)

Copyright tags
I'm happy to add a GFDL tag to the Rilo Kiley image i posted. It's not all clear how to do this however. If you'd like to add it on my behalf that'd be fine. -- Matt Whitby

Thank You! from Carbonite
Thank you for supporting my RfA. I very much appreciate your confidence in me. Please let me know if you see something I should (or shouldn't) be doing as an admin. Regards, Patrick. Carbonite | Talk 13:52, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thank you.
I am sorry for causing trouble.

Oregon Trail
Thanks for sorting out the Oregon Trail image with that anonymous user. :) Angela. 21:27, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)

User:206.45.15.82
I notice that you placed a couple of test notices on this anon user's page a few days ago. i thought that I'd let you know that he's back and being petty again. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 22:11, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Right...right...

I have a question! If your name is really Gregory, then who the hell is Hadal???

---Chicken Edwards

A move problem
Sorry to bother you, but a new user has just contacted me with the following problem:
 * I do have one request, as I don't know who else to ask at this point. I tried to use the "move" feature several times, but have been unsuccessful. Every time I click on it, it says that I must be logged in, even though I already am. In any case, I found Mathew Walker knot, created Matthew Walker knot, cut and pasted the old to the new, and redirected the old to the new. I know now that this is taboo.... Could you (or do you know an admin who could) clean this move up for me?
 * Thanks in advance and again for your kind welcome. BoomHitch 08:22, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC

I'm not sure what the problem is on the log-in front, though I've seen the same complaint from new users before. Is there some common mistake that would account for this? As for the Page-move problem, would it be possible for you to sort it out? I'm not an admin, so can't do it myself.

Thanks in advance. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 09:21, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

How did you spot vandalism so quickly?
How did you spot vandalism so quickly? Did you use the search feature or do you have some sort of special program?

- Stevey7788 04:39, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

IM
Ask anyone you know what IM means. I've never heard of any other meaning of it until I searched Wiki.

 * I've replied at User talk:24.44.44.34. -- Hadal 06:07, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Google X
Hi, I'm new so I'm not sure what was wrong with my edit in Google X. Please explain to me what was wrong so I can learn what not to do. Thanks.

 * I've replied at User talk:172.193.235.223. -- Hadal 05:23, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Advertising on wikipedia
How can i advertise on wikipedia?

User:Ladnav
Can you block this user at once ? He keeps vandalizing articles and user pages at a phenomenal rate. He has been warned by you already and now I see that he has even vandalized your user page. Time to act ! JoJan 15:23, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * That's what I call a quick response from the 'Fast Intervention Team' -- Good work !  JoJan 15:33, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for moving it. I'll write that down somewere so i can remember :) --goncalopp 22:03, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

re: vandalism
thank you. i think it is the same anon as before. some people have nothing better to do. Xtra 05:17, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

User talk:68.111.238.67
This vandal doesn't seem to take you at your word as he's still at it. I think you have given him enough rope to wrap around a very long block. ;-) hydnjo talk 04:03, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I noted a blocking notice on this user's page dated 23 March 2005 but he has continued to vandalize after that (or do I have my dates screwed-up). This anon seems to have a thing for U2 (and maybe you too). ;-) hydnjo talk 19:25, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

User page
Hello Hadal.

Long time no talk. I'm requesting you put the text of your much deserved awards under the barnstars, so that your user page is 800x600 compliant. Thanks. - RoyBoy 800 06:19, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

IRC channel
Where've you been? Contributing to Wikipedia but missing from the IRC channel for 3 weeks? - Mark 03:55, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Ahh fair enough. You are not the first person to basically leave the channel because it's become too hostile a place. Problem is, by you all leaving the channel, it just makes it worse for those of us who stay, because we have to put up with more crap and have less people to back us up :) But I respect your decision. There's no good reason to stay in a channel which makes you feel alienated. But enrc is fixed (again), if that's incentive enough to come back. - Mark 05:21, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

BARNSTARS FOR THE WIKIPEDIAN WE ALL KNOW AND LOVE!!!
Hadal, thank you for doing such a great job on Wikipedia! Your relentless and aggressive blows on vandalism have made Wikipedia a place of no nonsense and  completely anti-offensive. Let's now take a look at the history of vandalism at Wikipedia.

There are many factories and large companies in the US and UK, right? Well, these companies were always scrutinizing possible sources of cheap labor, so they started outsourcing to foreign nations such as China and India and Mexico. However, astronauts recently discovered a civilisation on the planet of Mars and started outsourcing to THAT planet. In only 24 hours, thousands of low-paying sweatshops were set up on Mars, especially in the region of Olympus Mons. The three-eyed little green men had to start working long hours under unbearable conditions. But the good side is that technology was improved in Mars, as almost all of the little green men had access to the Internet. One day, one of the little green men went to Wikipedia by accident and suddenly came up with an idea. The idea was that the Martians could vandalize Wikipedia, thus threatening the companies and factories on the nearby planet Earth to start paying higher wages in return for not vandalizing their only vital source of knowledge (well, at least they thought it was going to be like this!). Then the Martians ran into some anti-vandalism Wikipedians like you. Because of your hard work on reverting nonsense and offensive edits, the retarded Martians are beginning to understand that strikes, not Internet trolling, is the most effective method of ending poverty and unfair opportunities in the world of business and industry. Thus, vandalism is probably starting to decrease. (Note I said PROBABLY because dumb people on earth are now doing most of the vandalism on Wikipedia.) Because of your work here, I will now present you a series of barnstars that you, Hadal should deserve.

Here is the Original Barnstar which I shall now present to you - for doing such a great job on Wikipedia.

The Editors Barnstars. Your

For working extremely hard, snuffing out vandals during the day and during the night.

Because we all love you, Hadal!

Another one, just to add to the fun!

Thanks again for beating back those Martians!

--

Righteous Monkey 00:58, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Sketches of Spain
Aloha. I noticed you were online and was wondering if you could help me move a page back to the correct title, as I don't have admin rights to delete an improper page move. User:The silentist meant well, but moved Sketches of Spain to Sketches Of Spain. According to Naming conventions this is incorrect, as the convention is not to capitalize prepositions. Since the page has been moved, could you delete the old page (Sketches of Spain) and move the current page (Sketches Of Spain) to the original title (Sketches of Spain)? I've left the user a message on Talk:Kind of Blue and on his user talk page. Thanks in advance. --Viriditas | Talk 09:56, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Many mahalos. That was wiki wiki! --Viriditas  | Talk 10:05, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the good advice and handy tip. --Viriditas | Talk 10:56, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

banning
Hi. I'm reporting frokonti as a vandal. It says so on his user page, and he hates you. Just thought youd like to know. Howabout1 04:59, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hadal is no physicist:)
Dearest Hadal,

Your total lack of understanding simple motional derivatives as they relate to Newtonian mechanics is laughable, and you should be ashamed for correcting pages dealing with these topics because us Ivy Leaguers are smarter than you jackass!

Sincerely, Your local physicists

 * A physicist I am not; but if you're truly an Ivy League-educated fellow, I think you should demand your tuition be refunded: -- Hadal 02:51, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Kerry
If you try to say this "but no evidence was offered to prove his record false." is true, I will lose all respect for you. You know that it's not true. The Swift Boat Vets offered tons of evidence. In fact, of all the false and biased pro-Kerry edits I have seen to date, this most recent one is by far the worst. You should be ashamed of yourself. That sentence is totally false and you know it. 216.153.214.94 06:29, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * It seems you felt my reply on your talk page was "obviously false" and worth summary removal without consideration, so for the public record's sake I'll repost it here:

 * I'm sorry to disappoint you, but to the best of my knowledge there really wasn't any supporting and/or verifiable evidence provided. You could split hairs and qualify "evidence" with "factual and verifiable", but this would rely on a belief that (heavily biased) opinions of people with no official latitude to judge Kerry's record constitute "evidence". I am always welcome to apprisal in this and any matter, so if you have factual and verifiable evidence to present, by all means do so. -- Hadal 07:00, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia email
Hi dude. Check your email, there is one from me waiting for you there. - Mark 08:34, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for supporting my adminship — I vow to use my super powers for good not evil. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 09:59, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

who are you and why did you remove my aids story?
wingover

Help needed on the Ethics article
Unfortunately, someone set up an article parallel to our article on Ethics, in violation of Wikipedia policy. That parallel article violated NPOV by acting as a blog for one man's personal views, a person that also happens to be hard-banned user. Please see Votes_for_deletion/Simple view of ethics and morals Thanks for your time. RK 20:13, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
... for supporting my recent RFA; I'll do my best. This rollback tool is so convenient for fighting the never-ending scourge of vandalism; I'm enjoying it already. Keep up the good work Gregory. Antandrus 02:51, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Newgrounds
Thanks man, i was thinking that i was going to have to revert this the whole night. --Boothy443 | comhrÚ 02:30, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Just doing whats right, and considering i personaly know the guys who run the site though we have lost touch over the past couple of years. You might want to keep an eye on User:DanPanic he vandalised the talk page a copule of mins ago. --Boothy443 | comhrÚ 02:41, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Well he is a newbie, and his only edit has been the vandalsim, i figure he is one of the anons, gave him a stern warning, he he has shut up now, so we will see what happens. --Boothy443 | comhrÚ 02:52, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Why did you delete my links?
I added "History and Folklore" links to the different gemstone pages which you have now deleted. According to the Wikipedia rules, "inappropriate" external links are considered spam. I don't believe that these links are inappropriate. Each one gives useful and interesting information about the history of each stone. I commonly get questions from students looking for gemstone information to use in reports. I always refer them to this information.

According to the Wikipedia rules: "Articles considered advertisements include those that are solicitations for a business, product or service, or are public relations pieces designed to promote a company or individual." The external links I posted are not a solicitation for a business, product or service. They are not designed to promote my company in any way. There are no commercial links or commercial references whatsoever on these linked pages.

According to the Wikipedia rules: "there's nothing wrong with adding content-relevant links". I believe that the information provided through the external links adds valuable content to the article, but is inappropriate to be included in the body of the article itself because of the anecdotal nature of the information.

On another note - when I first posted the external links last week, there were commercial links on the pages. These external links were promptly removed by administrator "Vsmith". I therefore redesigned the pages to have no commercial links and resubmitted them. This second batch of external links was "approved" (not removed) by "Vsmith" until they were removed by you.

I ask you to please reconsider these links.

68.237.246.162 22:43, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Image problems
Thanks for the info on image copyrights, I have added most of the sources and other info to my uploaded images. If there are any other that I have missed please let me know.

A link on "Hard Disk" entry
Hi. A couple days ago, I added a link to another online encyclopedia, describing a Hard Disk because I thought that maybe explaining things a different way would add to the topic. However, you reverted the page to before I had added the entry.

I was just wondering if you would be so kind as to explain why my link had been removed. Thanks for all of your work around here. Keep up the good work!

4.29.7.168 21:15, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Oh, nevermind. Fair Call. Not really a great deal of new info.

4.29.7.168 04:35, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Please stop blocking those you are having personal disagreements with. I have spoken. Carlshooters 17:16, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Usercomment / Add / Tilde
Hi, I see all three templates survived TfD. I hope you don't hold the nomination against me; I'm ashamed to say I did it for less than pure motives. I do take issue with the nonstandard divbox, but that's a quibble.

It does seem to me that {{usercomment}}, {{add}}, and {{tilde}} could usefully be merged into one or two templates. I'd like to see if we can work something out together. — Xiong熊 talk 03:59, 2005 Apr 16 (UTC)

Any new comment? Not here to make a fuss, just want to work on something together. — Xiong熊 talk* 02:35, 2005 May 3 (UTC)

Paul Vogel
Hi, I just reverted some vandalism on User:Paul Vogel. I understand his timer is supposed to begin again if he edits, but I thought an admin might have to do that. Just thought I'd let you know. - Revived 02:52, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

List of political epithets
If you think this is a list and that "it shouldn't go into details of who finds what offensive and why", why don't you also edit the entry for "Judeofascism" to delete the fact that Jews find it offensive to the memory of Holocaust victims? --Islamist 15:33, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Tulsa
I have resolved the misunderstanding regarding dan's edits. I thought he had dropped thetulsan on the 11th but in fact he dropped another site that was inappropriate. I appreciate what you are doing for wiki and apologize for the fuss.

RfC
Hello. To let you know, User:Islamist is currently the subject of a Request for Comment (RfC). The page is located at Requests_for_comment/Islamist. Please share any thoughts that you might have. Zscout370 02:09, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Francis Bacon
I don't get it. Why on earth does Francis Bacon attract so many vandals ?!¿"? - and not just today, its got quite a history. -- Solipsist 17:25, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Research project on wiki contributors
Hello-

I am aware that this is not the typical message usually posted, so I would like to apologize and ask for your kind understanding. I am a PhD student at Syracuse University School of Information Studies. My advisor and I are working on a research project on contributors to Wikis. This project received Institutional Review Board Approval number 05048. I would like to have a brief email dialog with you about your experience as a Wikipedia contributor. Please respond to this posting or send me an email at wikiresearch@hotmail.com, if you would be willing to answer a couple of quick questions. I would like to assure you that your comments will remain confidential.

Best regards, -Isabelle Fagnot

formal apology
hello,

i just wanted to extend a formal apology for my recent additions to the 'pope' page. i'm still fairly new to using wikipedia and was suggested by couple of friends [name undisclosed] to add my entries. i made a bad judgement in adding it there. there are probably more apporpriate places for such entries.

again, i want to extend a formal apology; i do not mean to offend or abuse the system. it may come across this way partly due to my status as a 'neophite'

ps: i would have sent an email, but i couldn't find an address for you.

Nlamore 18:16, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

So fast, I am just amazed
hi, I saw you reverted useless additions to Patna so fast, within minutes...how could you do that? Anyway, Thanks. --Bhadani 17:59, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:List of Armenian patriarchs of Jerusalem

Comment
If this is an office in the Armenian Apostolic Church, the article should say so explicitly at the beginning. Michael Hardy 03:04, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Proposed Oriental Orthodoxy project
There is now a new proposed project at WikiProject Council/Proposals for a group which would focus on articles relating to the Oriental Orthodox Church. Any individuals interested in working with such a group should indicate as much there, to allow us to know if there is enough support to actually begin such a project. Thank you. Badbilltucker 14:26, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Assessment of Christianity and Oriental Orthodoxy
Your last revert causes the assessment of Oriental Orthodoxy to be "???", so the rating ("importance") needs to be added. Also, the assessment in Christianity is "???", unless WP Christianity is added. Therefore, the best way is to use the following formula: which supplies both the Oriental-Orthodoxy and Christianity with the right assessment. Peace. JohnThorne (talk) 06:59, 4 September 2019 (UTC) thanks! Peace Anahid66 (talk) 5 September (talk) 05:24, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:NBA on NBC

Logo Used
Can we get the original logo up there. That was classic. The new one just wasn't quite the same. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.235.221.33 (talk) 04:59, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

older comments
It should be pointed out that this was the worst period in NBA history. Jordan won all of his 6, Phil won all of his 9 coaching, championships in the NBC era. Any coincidence? -Amit

 * Pointing that out would be point of view, specially considering the Celtics dominated the late 1950s-early to middle 1960s.- Antonio repeat Glory Marti

 * The ratings for that period would say otherwise; the NBA's top 4 rated NBA Finals occured in '93, '96, '97', and '98. Paulsen 20:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Origin of Opening
When was the NBA on NBC open first used (you know, with the beams of light forming the peacock)? If it did indeed begin in 1990, then that would be saying a lot about the animation of that era! 71.111.232.40 22:10, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

It was futuristic animation... that's what made the NBA on NBC so great. Seriously, even some of the graphics in the late 90's seemed ahead of their time, as no other network really had 3-D transitions between replays. The graphics were always crisp and clean with NBC Sports, and not overdone. The font they used was perfect too. I always thought to myself, if I were to setup a broadcast with graphics, I'd choose NBC's naturally. Amazing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.235.221.33 (talk) 04:12, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

"The" NBA on NBC?
Just curious as to where "The" is used as an official title. Every instance I see is strictly NBA on NBC. --Zimbabweed 01:14, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Good point. The visual title of the show is "NBA on NBC"; while 'The' is added before the title in spoken word, (ex., Jim Fagan saying "this is the NBA on NBC"), it is not in the actual title. I moved the page to 'NBA on NBC'. Phillip J. Fry 01:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * All the sponsor promos begin by saying "The NBA on NBC is brought to you by..." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.237.29.125 (talk) 17:05, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Fan Support section
This section is unreferenced, poorly written and punctuated, and adds very little value to the article. I propose it be deleted entirely. If someone wants to put together a coherent, researched new section on the same topic, be my guest. The current one should probably go. Franklin Bynum 04:54, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

I am Marv Albert. I miss the NBA on NBC. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.235.221.33 (talk) 04:10, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Easily the greatest sports telecast in the history of western civilization. Someone build a time machine so we can go back and live the glory days. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.235.221.33 (talk) 04:57, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

 * I miss the NBA on NBC. Life just isn't the same without it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.237.29.125 (talk) 20:55, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned references in NBA on NBC
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of NBA on NBC's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "GiantsFSN": From NBC Sports Bay Area:  From NBC Sports Regional Networks:

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 03:43, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

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Kutang

Kutang may refer to:
 * Manaslu, also known as Kutang, a mountain in the Himalayas
 * Kutang language, a Tibeto-Burman language of Nepal

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Comercial Mexicana

Tiendas Comercial Mexicana S.A. de C.V., colloquially known as La Comercial and La Comer, was a Mexican hypermarket group that operated mainly in Mexico City and Central Mexico. It was founded in 1930 and operated by Controladora Comercial Mexicana. From 2016 to 2018 it was owned and operated by Soriana, which also owns Alprecio stores. Comercial Mexicana, including its different store formats, was the third-largest supermarket chain in Mexico as of 2014.

History
The first store, which was opened by Carlos González Nova and his father, Antonino González Abascal, in Mexico City in 1930, primarily sold textile products.

In January 2015 it was announced that Organización Soriana would buy Comercial Mexicana stores, from which 118 will be fully owned while 42 would be leased and operated by third parties.

Stores
Comercial Mexicana had different retail formats, with the general stores branded as Comercial Mexicana, the larger stores as Mega Comercial Mexicana and its smaller facilities as Bodega Comercial Mexicana. Many of its general stores were connected to a shopping mall with competing businesses surrounding. An example was in Plaza Río in Tijuana, Baja California, which had a Comercial Mexicana as an anchor store but also has a traditional department store and smaller specialty stores selling items that could be purchased in Comercial Mexicana.

Formats
From 1962 to 2016, Controladora Comercial Mexicana (currently Grupo LaComer) managed 10 store formats, among which were hypermarkets (Comercial Mexicana), megamarkets (MEGA), self-service warehouses (Bodega Comercial Mexicana), general and premium supermarkets (Sumesa, Fresko and City Market), rural supermarkets (Alprecio), warehouse clubs (Costco) and restaurants (California Restaurants and Beer Factory).

Due to the financial crisis that Controladora Comercial Mexicana went through in 2008, the company decided to gradually dispense with its formats, being Costco the first Comercial Mexicana format to be sold to its US counterpart in 2012, in which said price club entered to the Mexican market through a joint venture in 1991, in which on July 14, 2012, Controladora Comercial Mexicana sold the stake in Costco México to its United States subsidiary Costco Wholesale Corporation for 12,791 million Mexican pesos. Likewise, on August 21, 2014, Controladora Comercial Mexicana sold its Beer Factory and California restaurants to Grupo Gigante for 1,061 million Mexican pesos, which were converted into Toks.

In 2015, with the agreement to sell stores to Soriana, Controladora Comercial Mexicana becomes a subsidiary of Tiendas Soriana; however, it only kept 143 of the 155 stores purchased. However, the process of unification and merger will be staggered, beginning with the joint operation of campaigns, such as that of Julio Regalado. Controladora CM has most of the branches of the original company (143 branches), which operate in the formats Tienda Comercial Mexicana, Bodega Comercial, Mega Comercial and AlPrecio. Between 2016 and 2018, Soriana had the rights to use the original name and logo of "Comercial Mexicana", so the stores that use this badge are those that are managed by the company originally from Torreón and currently based in Monterrey. After this time, these stores were renamed to one of the formats managed by the chain.

As of January 4, 2016, the new company "La Comer" was born, successor to the original company founded in 1930, which intends to manage the four profitable formats of the company, identified as City Market, Fresko, Sumesa and the new entity, known as "La Comer".

Unlike the previous company, it will not offer massive discounts but exclusively in El Buen Fin and its new concept of season of offers, Temporada Naranja (national pulicitaria campaign, successor to Julio Regalado); In addition, the new store will no longer offer clothing or footwear in its new formats. Initially, the company started with 54 units.

Current formats (Grupo LaComer)

 * Comercial Mexicana (Currently LaComer)
 * Fresko Comercial Mexicana (Currently Fresko LaComer)
 * City Market
 * Sumesa

Former formats (Soriana)

 * MEGA Comercial Mexicana
 * Bodega Comercial Mexicana
 * Alprecio Comercial Mexicana

Former formats (Grupo Gigante and Costco Wholesale)

 * Costco Wholesale (originally Price Club since 1992)
 * Restaurantes California
 * Beer Factory

Programs
Comercial Mexicana also had programs for children. In exchange for working in stores as bag boys, the children received family support, tuition support and educational supplies, and basic services. The children worn almost-trademark brown uniforms with the orange pelican logo and were expected to be well groomed. They helped most of the customers out of the store and return the carts, which in turn kept the shopping cart thefts low.

Executives
Carlos González Nova, Comercial Mexicana's co-founder, served as the chairman of the company's board of directors until 1998.

In 2000 he was responsible for killing musician Kirsty MacColl by striking with a powerboat he was operating recklessly, having entered a restricted area off the coast of Cozumel, Mexico. He remained the honorary chairman of Comercial Mexicana until his death on August 19, 2009, at the age of 92.

In 1998, Guillermo González Nova, younger brother of Carlos, became chairman of the board.

Carlos González Nova's son, Carlos González Zabalegui, was the last company's executive chairman and CEO.

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Talk:Roaring Twenties

Discussions
I started different topics. I'm sure I'm leaving stuff out. Also, where should the womens first election to vote, and the suffering of the Agriculture industry go? 12.220.47.145 03:07, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

It's late where I live, so I need to stop. But the Red Scare, and Morality of the Roaring Twenties should be adde in. Thx. Falphin 03:21, 31 May 2005 (UTC) ''' Umm, could you PLEASE paste the sites that you used for this research because I'm doing a project on the 20s and 30s in Canada. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.193.27.210 (talk) 13:29, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Hopefully I will be able to add some of these when I get back tongight. We also need to add a section about Immigrant life during the Roaring Twenties if info can be found on that and African American life during the Roaring Twenties. Falphin 13:10, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * It would also be nice to have a section title "Symbols of the Roaring Twenties". Falphin 01:23, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Returning Soldiers
I'm going somewhere with this... It's a start. Maybe someone can help tie it in. It's late here too.

Also, I know that Prohibition was a part of the culture, but it was also part of the cause too... Needs to be moved back up. Maybe split into three parts: Prohibition (in Causes), Speakeasies (in Culture), and 21th Amendment (under Stock Market Crash, or End of the Twenties)  ℬ astique▼ talk 04:15, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree Falphin 13:11, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Introduction & Sections
I thank you all for initiating the discussion. I feel the article should have a small beginning of few sentences, encapsulating the time and spirit of Roaring Twenties. I will try to do that and all are invited to re-edit the same as may be required. I will also try to rearrange and rephrase the sections/sub-sections, but that will be done very slowly. I will try to expand certain sections. Let us come closer to create a really remarkable article.--Bhadani 14:43, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I have placed few introductory words/also updated this article's area in the Community portal. I shall continue to add further edits to the article during the week. --Bhadani 16:48, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Should the
Kellog-Briand pact and Washington Naval treaties be included on this page?. Falphin 13:14, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * We should remember that this is not the 1920s or the History of the United States (1918-1945) article. My understanding of the Roaring Twenties is that it was mainly a cultural and economic notion, not really a political one. There wasn't much Jazz Age about Calvin Coolidge. I thus feel we should keep the politics content to minimum. - SimonP 13:54, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * Your right. Falphin 14:38, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I kinda agreee, but the problem is that these acts aren't talked about in either article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.255.4.47 (talk) 02:47, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Key Figures
I'm not sure whether Bobby Jones or John Logie Baird are necessarily important here. The other four figures are critical because of the events surrounding the article:
 * Al Capone: His reason for being here goes without saying.
 * Mae West: Famous actress, was convicted of obscenity charges. Key figure--the morals question and changing roles of women.
 * Charles Lindberg: Changing technology, crossed the Atlantic, major celebrity
 * Will Rogers: cowboy-humorist, wrote a widely read column during the 1920s. Very much a part of the culture.  Had a lot to say.

Bobby Jones: Not sure who this is because the link leads to a disambiguation page. If he is the golfer, then he doesn't belong here, because golf as a sport does not figure into the culture of the Roaring Twenties.

John Logie Baird was the Scottish engineer who invented the television in very late 20s--which didn't enter into wide use until much later. He doesn't really figure into the article at all.

IMHO of course ℬ astique▼ talk 19:12, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Personally I could see a case made for Bobby Jones the golpher.(The basketball player wasn't born until the 50's and the others I have never heard of). Since he represented, IMHO American prosperity and ideals during the 20's. As for John Logie Baird I don't think he belongs in the article at all. Of course this is also IMHO. :) Falphin 21:38, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

boom, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.235.199.10 (talk) 16:27, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Canadian politics during the 1920s

 * Can someone tie this into the article? It's just kind of sitting there, explaining nothing but itself.  What about the economy of Canada, and how Canadian authorities dealt with all the liquor illegally leaving its borders?  This is more in tune with the article.

 * This article isn't about everything that happened in the 1920s. It is about the events, lifestyle and culture that made it the Roaring Twenties.  ℬ astique▼ talk 21:33, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Reverted edits

 * I reverted annon user 69.231.249.12 edits because of the massive rewording and some content take outs. It can be discussed here. Falphin 16:36, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree with the revert --Fenice 17:41, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Introduction

 * To begin with the article was without any introduction. I created few words of Introduction. Now, I feel we have a large introduction of 3 paragraphs. Introduction may  be made more compact. Some portion of the matrials may be placed under a separate Section. We may think of such a move and decide the name of that section. This is just a suggestion.--Bhadani 18:04, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * For such a long article three paragraphs is fine. Long intros are actually required for featured articles. See today's Papal Tiara page, for instance. - SimonP 18:21, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree, eventually this topic will likely reach the Featured Article Status because of all the info on the topic, decreasing the size of the introduction is just a going in the oppoisite direction. Falphin 18:53, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * After the COTW is over this should probably be sent to Peer review. Of course it is going to need more references but I imagine it will get good remarks. Falphin 18:56, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Ok, now I understand the position. Yes, it is fine because only a long introduction shall be able to introduce the topic well. Good. Thanks for clearing my doubts about introduction. And, sure, each one of us should continue to refine this article till it becoames a Featured one. --Bhadani 01:58, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Geographical balance?
"American historical period" or "North American historical period"...is/should this article (be) only about the US or does/should it also include Canada in a significant way? ~ Dpr 20:24, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * It should be North American, the Roaring 20s are just as much a part of Canadian history as American. The new ideas mostly originated in the U.S, but they quickly made their way north. In terms of the economy the 20s were even more of a boom decade in Canada than in the United States. A question I haven't been able to answer is if the term can also accurately be applied to Europe. Some books and websites seem to, but everything I have read does not indicate that the decade was particularly booming outside NA. - SimonP 21:15, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure whether the actual literal term Roaring Twenties is used much in the UK. The German (Golden) and the French term (Golden or crazy years) are no literal translations of roaring, but the mentality they are trying to describe are exactly the same, even to some extent the economical surge (thus the word golden), (no prohibition though). These terms are also well known, they are not rare. --Fenice 22:54, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I have been taught the phrase (GCSE history) as solely referring to the US in the Twenties. smoddy 22:49, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * The Canadians were involved. Where do you think US joints got their liquor? ℬ astique▼ talk 22:52, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * The term "roaring twenties" seems to have been used in the UK as well, see here, , .--Fenice 09:34, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't think it makes sense to split the article.--Fenice 09:40, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I think it makes perfect sense to split the articles into Europe and North America (i.e. make one for Europe). As it is now the article only talks about North America (excluding Mexico). As mentioned in this article there was a Golden Twenties era in Europe too. Look at the French and German interwiki articles. And Great Britain's culture certainly sparked up in that period too I suppose. As it is now, American hegemony is too big -- and the article too.--Phlebas 14:09, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Well the solution is not really to complain about it, but to add the appropriate content. So if it focuses too much on the U.S., it's not because other content is actively being kept out.  I think every editor here would welcome relevant content from Canada or even the UK if it's appropriate.  Be bold.   —thames 00:51, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Florid prose
Language like "The decade encapsulates a fascinating story" is subjective and adds no information to the article. It makes it read too much like an essay or an emotion-laden summary - should be edited out. --Tothebarricades.tk 03:54, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)

Swing?
Ought Swing (really Lindy Hop) music and culture be a part of this article? —thames 15:31, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Lindy Hop belongs to the thirties.--Fenice 09:36, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * If you read the Lindy Hop article, it started in 1927. It can certainly be mentioned.   —thames 00:51, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree. The way it is presented in the text now is really excellent.--Fenice 07:57, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Marlene Dietrich
 Was the U.S. really even aware of Dietrich before the 30s?

OMG noobs google.com rocks eat my shorts!!!!!!!darfawegvwedcasrebytehsebdfbre rwegserdgbdf rftg bxdrhserfgdfgfb rgdfgbhdxrthge  rghetgh rh fh rfgbh  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.226.97.219 (talk) 23:49, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed! Why is there an image of Dietrich? I think most people tend to associate her more with the 1930s than the Roaring Twenties. I think it would be better to find another image of an iconic twenties actress like Louise Brooks or Clara Bow. ExRat 20:53, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Moved???
Its not known as the 1920's in North America but the Roaring Twenties, why was this moved???? Falphin 02:51, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Ask SPUI. Mike H 02:53, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * The article is about the 1920s in North America. An article at Roaring Twenties should talk about the term and its use, while this title reflects that the article talks about the 1920s in North America in general. --SPUI (talk) 03:00, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * The Roaring Twenties is a cultural period. My four main reasons for keeping it at the Roaring Twenties spot.
 * Nobody refers to the period that way
 * It is not a time period but a cultural period
 * It was agreed upon this way at the COTW.
 * This isn't about everything that happened in the 1920's in NA but what is considered significant about the Roaring Twenties. --Falphin 03:02, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Speculation and crash
When I first read this article this morning, I found that the neither the word "speculation" nor the word "crash" appeared in the article, which I thought was a remarkable oversight. I inserted a brief section on speculation, which was largely reverted by Will Beback, for reasons which escape me. I have restored it, and invite discussion here. -- HK  01:24, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I didn't revert it, I moved it to one of the sections which already covered the economic aspects of the era. It is more helpful there rather than as a two-sentence, one paragraph section. The crash is already covered in a longer section towards the end, which already uses the word "speculative". Except for the word "speculation" and an essay by an Austrian-School economist the material was redundant. -Will Beback 01:30, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think a little redundancy will hurt. These issues were seriously underemphasized in the article. -- HK  07:43, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Fashion and the changing role of women:
I am rather puzzled by the fllowing sentence in the section 'Fashion and the changing role of women':

"In Europe, this look featured women with short hair (Bubikopf) for the first time; in the U.S., the bob was introduced by actress Louise Brooks in the late 1920s."

I do not belive this to be correct information. While Louise Brooks is renowned for her bobbed hair, so was Colleen Moore, Leatrice Joy and numerous others. While Brooks may be recalled for her bobbed hair, I do not believe she "introduced" it to the American public. Also, the bob came into vogue much earlier than the late 1920s as photographs of my grandmother and her sisters from 1922 show - they are all teenagers and all have quite severe bobbed haircuts. ExRat 20:44, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Dietrich and the "Fashion" section.
I changed the "request for a speedy deletion" photograph of Marlene Dietrich with one of actress Louise Brooks who I feel more accurately protrays the "ideal" look of 1920s fashion. Also, as mentioned above, while Dietrich was quite popular in the late 20's, her androgynous look became more popular in the early 1930s and not in the 1920s. ExRat 22:46, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Delisted GA
This article did not go through the current GA nomination process. Looking at the article as is, it fails on criteria 2b of the GA quality standards. No references are provided and the citation of sources is essential for verifiability. Most Good Articles use inline citations. I would recommend that this be fixed, to reexamine the article against the GA quality standards, and to submit the article through the nomination process. --RelHistBuff 12:27, 9 August 2006 (UTC)soorrrry man be al ittle nicer —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.22.186.7 (talk) 21:02, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

elsewhere
It's a good article, but too much concentrated on the USA. If you try searching in Google "roaring twenties Britain" or other countries there was quite a sense of roaringness elsewhere too jm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.125.119.162 (talk) 07:59, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

--in Europe its called the "Golden Twenties", the Roaring Twenties was only the US. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.188.52.137 (talk) 15:20, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Merge with Golden Twenties
Should this page be merged with Golden Twenties? - jlao 0 4 12:09, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. This article principally addresses an era in the U.S., while the other article covers a slightly different time period in Germany. -Will Beback 21:56, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Also, we have an article which covers the whole decade from a global perspective, 1920s. -Will Beback 22:06, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. - jlao 0 4 01:27, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Remove img in Overview section
I propose to remove the image in the Overview section as it is of a terrible quality. - jlao 0 4 11:57, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * We already have a good drawing of fashions. I don't think it adds much. -Will Beback 21:25, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Questionable comments in first paragraph, last sentence
Could someone please check this article? There are some questionable statements and vandals have been hitting article. Ronbo76 15:24, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Vandalization February 14, 2007]
I wonder why this is getting a lot of hits? Ronbo76 19:14, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

In first paragraph: "The era was further distinguished by several long johns and realities of far-reaching importance..." long johns? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.226.11.248 (talk) 19:54, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Capitalization of "Roaring Twenties"
In my opinion, "roaring twenties" should not be capitalized. It is not a proper name. --Jeremy Butler 13:26, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I believe that it should because it is an era in our history, such as "The Great Awakening" or the "Era of Good Feelings." Do you believe they should be capitalized? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aragornrox (talk • contribs) 15:33, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

GDP of what?
I'm assuming that the graph shows GDP in the USA, you might want to mention it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.18.164.66 (talk) 09:47, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

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Contradicting?
"Various policies initiated by the Republican Party had a horrendous impact on the boom. The government was associated with laissez faire economics, which helped create the conditions for the boom."

So, which sentence should we kill? 124.82.6.85 (talk) 08:39, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for spotting that, it's vandalism. The text previously read:
 * Various policies initiated by the Republican Party had a big impact on the boom. The government was associated with laissez faire economics, which helped create the conditions for the boom.
 * I've changed it back. ·:· Will Beback  ·:· 21:08, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Gay Clubs in the 1920s
Is it true that there were gay clubs back in the 1920's? Can you find a source on that because I think it says something on gay clubs and how it was called pansies club and I just want to verify the source that this come from?--67.34.213.78 (talk) 18:51, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Canadian politics
I just undid an edit where someone deleted the section on Canadian Politics and replaced it with the words "Who gives a damn". Although this is clearly not good enough for wikipedia, as I read what he had replaced I couldn't help but agree. I think the section should be either deleted or rewritten to reflect the impact of canadian politics on the culture of the roaring 20's and not the 20's in general. --DarkAvenger (talk) 08:28, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

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Normalcy
Normalcy is not a word. It is normality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.191.90.18 (talk) 21:29, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

As per the article, it was a term coined by Warren G. Harding during his 1920 Presidential campaign and thus is appropriate.

It should also be remembered that Harding was "notorious for his verbal gaffes." Poet e.e. cummings referred to him as "The only man, woman or child who wrote a simple declarative sentence with seven grammatical errors." Doug O'Connell (talk) 15:13, 24 September 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doug O'Connell (talk • contribs)

Political Bias
Changed the subject heading from "Government Interventionist Economic Policies" to "Economic Policies". Also, did a slight edit to remove bias from a part that suggested that reducing the top income tax bracket to 25% was a government interventionist policy. That rate is low historically and was actually a reduction from the 77% that was in effect from 1916-1925. The section is sourced to the CATO Inst, a laissez faire oriented think tank. While the argument could made, it's not by any means a consensus. This entire section should be updated to inculde other views. Some of the other arguments that the 1920's were interventionist are suspect, particularly regarding lending and spending. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.149.10.2 (talk) 21:24, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

The Cato is totally rewriting history. The twenties were a period of explicit faith in markets to achieve policy ends. Hoover's economic team urged business to volunarily work with the government. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.124.70.112 (talk) 02:57, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

I added the convential view of "economic policies" as a period of cooperation between business and government and merged it with the vigorous challenge made by the Cato and other conservatives that argue that it was intrusive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.124.70.112 (talk) 04:28, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

I cleaned up some grammatical errors to make it more coherent. Nice job. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.149.10.2 (talk) 16:05, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The whole section on economic policy is wildly biased. It explicitly attributes the post-war boom to federal government economic policies with no regard for the incredible rise of mass production of the era. Tysto (talk) 14:14, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Broader coverage
I added the "Globalize" banner at the top because the scope of the article is too narrow. It is heavily focusing on the Northeast and Midwest of the U.S. with a tiny bit of coverage on Canada and the West Coast. Events in Canada and the West Coast were more significant than this makes it sound. But even more glaringly this completely neglects Texas which was one of the areas of the greatest growth and change during this time (indeed the oil boom there can be said to have substantially spurred the growth in the 20s). There were a lot of other areas as well where significant things were going on.

One other area that would be interesting to cover in this article as well is the rise of gambling empires. Remember that laws against gambling had developed in the early 1900s. During the 1920s major gambling empires arose as a result of this and Prohibition in places like Miami, New Orleans, Galveston, Hot Springs (AK), etc. These empires all greatly influenced the later development of Las Vegas (one could argue that Las Vegas would never have developed as rapidly or as lavishly as it did had these gambling empires in more established cities not created a mould for Vegas to follow later).--Mcorazao (talk) 21:33, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The lead briefly mentions how other Western cities/countries experienced something similar, but the entire article is then silent on how London, Berlin, etc. faced the Roaring Twenties. This is a serious deficiency. Johnleemk | Talk 05:42, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

There does need to be more, especially on London and the major capitals of Europe, all of which were very much effected by the Roaring Twenties. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.102.231.211 (talk) 12:19, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Garbage Text
"The spirit of the Roaring Twenties was marked by a general feeling of discontinuity associated with modernity, aProxy-Connection: keep-alive Cache-Control: max-age=0"

the sentence in the article doesn't make sense. 132.161.197.102 (talk) 23:34, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I've fixed it. -- Why Not A Duck 00:16, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

An instance of vandalism, March 2010
Erm, not an expert on the era at all, but does anyone know what this sentence at the start of 'Economy' should say?

"The Roaring Twenties is traditionally viewed as an era of sex economic prosperity driven by the butt holes of a wide array of new penis's."

...I'm reasonably sure that isn't how it should read. "Loop holes of a wide array of new laws" and taking out the sex is my best guess, but I'm really not sure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.98.114.237 (talk) 17:11, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks like that was vandalism. Someone replaced the valid text with garbage.  Someone fixed it a couple hours later.  So, problem solved. -- Why Not A Duck 23:46, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Jazz and Dance Music
Jazz and dance music are related, as some of the roots of jazz are in dance music and some music is jazz music suitable for dancing. However, they are not the same. Some artists are jazz artists, some dance music artists and some are both.

Some artists listed in the Jazz Age section were reverted in an overly conservative later edit. Although some of the artists deleted should be listed as "dance", or more generally "popular" artists and not placed in the jazz section, the list was of very reasonable length and a well-chosen selection of the "best of the best".

The comments on radio in the beginning of the jazz section should be edited. The information on KDKA would be more appropriate as the beginning of a section on radio in the 1920s. Furthermore, the spread of jazz should be attributed also to recorded music and live performances, not just to radio. Niel Shell (talk) 18:56, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Factual Errors
The statistics listed in the section "Factual Errors" are incorrect. The article claims that when Harding took office, unemployment was over 20%, and yet official sources place the 1920 unemployment rate at 5.2% http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0104719.html#axzz0zdK7VyGK

Also, far from experiencing "runaway inflation", the economy was in fact experiencing a 1.24% rate of deflation. Shanbo (talk) 21:08, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Grammatical Mistakes
In the introduction there is a mistake; " By the middle of the decade, prosperity was widespread. The second half of the decade becoming known as the 'Golden Twenties'." Could someone please edit this so that the last sentence is a proper sentence? For example, "By the middle of the decade, prosperity was widespread, hence the calling of the 1920's as 'The Golden Twenties' in the latter half of the decade." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.171.54.107 (talk) 11:39, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Possible Vandalism as of November 23, 2016
The "dance" section of this article makes note of "pole dancing" and "stripper clubs." I am reasonably certain that this is not correct, but am not sure what it *should* say, since the past month+ of history leaves this intact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.187.170.190 (talk) 18:35, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

 * The blatant childish vandalism is still there as of 24 June 2017. Perhaps the editors who have been piling on more text recently could divert some of their energies into cleaning up and judiciously pruning what is already in this very problematic article? For example, there is a "Cinema" subsection which covers the advent of "talkies" in a concise way (before veering off into excessive cartoon-geek detail about Disney and Oswald the Lucky Rabbit), so maybe we could do without the disproportionately long "Sound movies" section earlier in the article, which goes into way too much technical and corporate detail for this context, material available in Sound film, Vitaphone, and other specialized articles. At the same time, the major impact of Hollywood films on contemporary culture, especially youth culture, is completely ignored. So perhaps, instead of the current meaningless laundry list of film stars' names, devoting that space to something about one or two of the most influential—say, Rudolph Valentino and Clara Bow—would better serve the reader? 66.81.105.214 (talk) 13:23, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

POV and peacock issues
I tagged this article to twice because this page seems to be soaked with POV and peacock statements, e.g.: "Jazz music blossomed, the flapper redefined modern womanhood, Art Deco peaked, and, in the wake of hyper-emotional patriotism after World War I, normalcy returned to politics." I will scan through the page and correct as needed, but I hope others assist if they can.-- Sıgehelmus  (Talk) |д=)  17:45, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
 * those statements all reflect the consensus of the RS. Which one does not?? Rjensen (talk) 07:36, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * The RS? The bias is clearly there. The article carries the tone of, "oh, those Victorian times were so backwards and oppressive and nationalistic, then the Twenties came and saved America." Which I hope is obviously not the kind of style we want to bring to this site, there's enough bias at is. IMO this entire article needs to be scanned with a fine-tooth comb and sorted to only include a summarization of the objective facts of the decade. We shouldn't be putting wild statements like "redefined womanhood" (a sentiment straight out of a clickbait Buzzfeed article). I'm not trying to be sour but this article is something I'd expect from a tabloid, not an encyclopedia.-- Sıgehelmus  (Talk) |д=)  17:26, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

 * History is just as much about perception and interpretation as the facts. We are not writing a chronicle.Dimadick (talk) 12:24, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * it's false to claim '[The article carries the tone of, "oh, those Victorian times were so backwards and oppressive and nationalistic, then the Twenties came and saved America."] One phrase only is mentioned: redefined womanhood In fact that is terminology scholars actually use. 1) Nancy K. Bristow Making Men Moral: Social Engineering During the Great War (1997) p 50:  "...the reformers' largely secular ideal for their society, an ideal based in urban, middle-class experience. The CTCA redefined womanhood, modernizing it in the expansion of domesticity and in the departure from piety...." 2) Linda Eisenmann Historical Dictionary of Women's Education in the United States (1998): "New collegiate opportunities for women profoundly redefined womanhood by challenging the Victorian belief that men's and women's social roles were rooted in biology."; 3) on an earlier era: Patricia Johnston (2006): "In her deliberate refashioning of self, Sojourner Truth redefined womanhood in broader and more inclusive terms with her public performance of multiple and complex identities: former slave, worker, orator, feminist, and woman." 4) Anne Ruggles Gere (1997) says Karen Blair, The Clubwoman as Feminist: True Womanhood Redef1ned, (1980), shows how clubwomen redefined womanhood, thereby inserting them into the feminist tradition." Rjensen (talk) 13:00, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * This site is not on some feminist crusade, this is an encyclopedia. With all due respect, sources with names like "Making Men Moral" and using polemical terms like "former slave" to describe traditional gender roles is kind of like using Third Reich apologia for a World War II article; anything worth salvaging needs to be heavily analyzed in context and carefully supplanted in a way that does not disrupt the delicate balance of WP:NPOV. These kind of views by Eisenmann et al in their analysis of "opportunities" "profoundly" "redefining womanhood" should be in their own section of how contemporary (and past) historians interpret them. The article is embarrassing, dishonest, and amateur otherwise.-- Sıgehelmus  (Talk) |д=)  15:06, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Feminism was a major factor in the 1920s say the RS, and every statement is sourced. Bristow's major scholarly book Making Men Moral (NYU press) has been cited in over 150 scholarly books and articles as listed here. That is what a reliable scholarly source looks like.  What is missing from the above critique is an alternative base of RS that take a different view. Sigehelmus is worried about what he calls dishonesty and amateurism, so I challenge him to provide the RS he is using for his attacks on this article.  I doubt he has any.  Rjensen (talk) 15:17, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not denying that(?), or your work which I was going to compliment/thank soon. And yes, sourcing is good of course, but what matter is how sourcing is referenced and how that fits into the tone of the article (what feelings is it trying to promote to the reader? What is portrayed -unintentionally, half-heartedly, subconsciously or otherwise - as good and bad? And so on). You and Dimadick have been fixing a lot of problems with this article. I don't mean to imply anything negative about that, I was speaking in the past.-- Sıgehelmus  (Talk) |д=)  16:53, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

technologies not used in 1920s
I suggest we have a long article and can skip technologies (like TV, penicillin) that were not part of the decade and use the space for items that were much more important in practice, such as radio & insulin. Rjensen (talk) 20:27, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Television and penicillin were discovered in the 1920s and are among the major technological innovations of the era. Their historical impact is not that minor. I pretty much skipped television innovations of the 1930s, though we do have articles on several of them.

No objection to covering radio, though our History of radio pays more attention to developments prior to the 1920s.

I honestly overlooked insulin, as I was unaware of its historical uses. Outside Wikipedia, I have come across several books and history books covering penicillin and its uses in detail, but only found a couple of passing mentions to insulin. Then again it might be based on Alexander Fleming's celebrity status. As a 6-year-old, I had a couple of books lionizing Alexander Fleming as a science hero, right next to Louis Pasteur. His widow Amalia Fleming was a successful Greek politician and quite a celebrity in her own right, at least in my country. Dimadick (talk) 20:54, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * this is an article on broad social trends and does not include the history of scientific & medical discovery is not covered, The most important advances, per the coverage in history of science, came in physics (eg quantum mechanics, Uncertainty principle & Dirac equation) . Penicillin was invented over a period of decades (see History of penicillin and was unknown to "Roaring twenties". Fleming became famous after the 1920s. --Wiki article states: Fleming published his discovery in 1929, in the British Journal of Experimental Pathology,[16] but little attention was paid to his article. On the other hand insulin was very much a product of the decade and put Canada on the medical map.  Rjensen (talk) 22:53, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

add pictures to upper right like in the world war articles
Can we add a picture collage to this article like the articles for the world wars? I think it would be a good idea for people to get a quick overview of the topic. Synesthetic (talk) 06:22, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Adding to the Prohibition Section
For my history class we were assigned to add information to a Wikipedia article. I've chosen the "Roaring Twenties" page because I believe that the "Prohibition" section could have more information added to it. I will be basing my information from sources similar to the ones that I've referenced below. My overall goal will be attempt to improve the section a bit more. If anybody has any suggestion on reputable sources please let me know! Thanks. Histedit110m (talk) 01:24, 8 May 2017 (UTC)Histedit110m

 * I don't believe that the Prohibition section should be expanded any further. This article is for a general overview of the period. If you wish to expand on Prohibition may I suggest that you do so at the main article, Prohibition in the United States. Good luck. Canterbury Tail talk  12:32, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Homo-historical revisionism
The "Homosexuality" section shares an unfortunate early-21st-century tendency to view the condition of sexual minorities in olden times through some very rose-colored glasses. In the US, at least, there was nothing the least bit "more acceptable" about homosexuality in the 1920s, at least not outside a few rarefied urban enclaves in the arts, and being truly "out" was risky even there. Actor William Haines, whose very unusually "out" existence (although he was certainly not "out" to the general public) is currently cited as an example of the "relative liberalism of the decade", ended up having to choose between his film career at MGM and his mate (bye-bye MGM), and thanks to some lovely upstanding neighbors in his lovely oceanside neighborhood, he was LYNCHED by a mob, although he escaped with his life. Editors too young to remember the pre-Stonewall era should be aware that being exposed as gay usually meant loss of employment, ostracism by family and friends, and even felony charges under the then-ubiquitous "crimes against nature" laws. Suicide was not an uncommon result. To Mr. and Mrs. American Citizen, "those people" were simply unspeakable sex perverts, out to molest and recruit innocent children; they were worse than murderers, and they should either be locked up or shot. That viewpoint is, or course, not entirely extinct even today, but it was ubiquitous and normal before the social revolutions of the late 1960s and 1970s. 66.81.105.142 (talk) 15:06, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

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Too much irrelevant stuff crammed in here
The Roaring Twenties was an American era completely based around American history and culture. I understand that other countries were experiencing similar things but they should have their own articles for that (and some do.) It's like randomly jamming in irrelevant information about a number of other countries in the Années folles or Golden Twenties articles. Even in those articles and in this same one in other language it is referred to as American. Those things should just be in the article about the 1920s and not this one. SMTWTFS (talk) 18:30, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Woloch
This cannot be right: Woloch, Women and the American Experience: A Concise History, pp. 28–3.--Johnsoniensis (talk) 08:08, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Leftist-Liberal political bias
The article is full of phrases based on POVs, and has a clear liberal bias. The article, for example, tries to associate Ford and his bussiness model based in efficiency with more opinative topics like the form of gonverment, regulation and culture, calling all of this “progressive”. Well, this is a eufemistic word (progressive) that the academic left considered good to be used when talking about their political views - they prefer calling it progressive. I think this should be avoided in Wikipedia, some scholars can think whatever they want, but, this encyclopedia should be neutral and non biased. And this supersedes the fact that “The editors are just copying what the scholars had published”. We have to be more selective. This article seems like pure liberal propaganda. Regulation is harmful for the economy, brings unemployment in the private sector and it’s survival is guaranteed only by bureaucrats and their supporters, they can justify their salaries and create the narrative that some area needs “some control”, but it’s good to the political establishment and the bureaucrats, not to the economy. So when we associate that with “progress” we are just lobbying for people that make money on our taxes. I think we should not “play stupid”, of course the word “progressive” is used just to associate some public policies to progress, and talk about that as we were unbiased is dishonesty. The article is absolutely biased, even if the literature is biased, some contradictory arguments can be used instead, the right to disagree, the right to the contradictory... all of this should be celebrated here, instead of totalitarian-like literature. Just to clarify, the “progressive” side as a word in political science is already greatly impregnated in the academia and the media, but we can always search for an independent path when selecting what is going to be added here, in order to collaborate with the article’s equilibrium. Sorry for the English, the misspellings that are obviously possible here at some extent, and cheers from Brazil. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:D55:4:A3DC:6D64:C9B0:9726:912B (talk) 02:47, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * No "liberal bias" is apparent in the text--while the last contributor expresses points of view that sound pretty ideological. Wiki's text on Ford for example is based on solid scholarship --Ford was a political activist (he ran for US Senate in 1920 as a progressive Democrat, & led a major peace initiative that was hailed by the progressives of the day.) And "progressive" in the early 20c is a term in common use by historians of all points of view. Rjensen (talk) 05:33, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Last Silent Film
This says the last silent film was a poverty row film in April 1930, but City Lights was released in 1931 and is a true silent. It cites reference 33, which I suppose is wrong. 2601:408:8002:69E0:CCF0:A8CD:5C5:510E (talk) 00:03, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * City Lights isn't a silent film. True it has no dialogue, but it has a soundtrack as part of the film and not played separately as silent films did. As a result it's a non-talkie, but not a silent film. Canterbury Tail talk 01:12, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

In USA it was called Golden Twenties first
In a documentary produced in 1950s, the decade was referred to as The Golden Twenties. A task would be to find when it was first called Roaring Twenties, probably The Roaring Twenties (1939) film. 98.248.161.240 (talk) 23:57, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * https://www.mvhistory.org/the-golden-twenties-2/
 * The Golden Twenties: The Story of an Era (1950) Red Barber Robert Q. Lewis

title: Talk:Roaring Twenties