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Wikipedia:Poképrosal/Poll

Poll: WP:FICT and Pokemon
Should the guidelines at WP:FICT be applied to Pokémon? That is, should major Pokémon have their own articles, while minor Pokémon should be merged into lists? The poll will continue for one week from 23:26, 27 May 2005 (UTC).
 * Since the time is over, this poll is now closed. There is a strong majority (>75%) that the WP:FICT guideline does apply.

Yes
Please take note to give more than a one sentence reason! Almost everyone voting for no seems to have had the common courtesy to write more than one or two sentences, of the exact same information posted in the previous vote.
 * 1) Emphatically yes. The Pokestubs are less useful to even Pokemon fans than properly-formatted lists for non-notable Pokemon would be. A Man In Black 23:24, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I'd just like to say that I personally have found them very usefull, and I know quite a few other people that have as well. So please do not say they're less usefull, unless you're actually a pokemon fan who finds them utterly useless Leukoplakia 22:55, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I fail to see how Murkrow, Dunsparce, or Forretress are of much use to anyone, and I am a Pokemon fan who finds stubs like this useless. Most of the potential expansion is Wikibooks material. A Man In Black 10:52, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but Dunsparce is useless to begin with. Ketsuban (is 1337) 02:37, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Ideally, all of the Pokestubs that have no content other than statistics would be moved to Wikibooks, but this is also a good solution. A и D я 01D  TALK  EMAIL  23:26, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Carnildo 23:33, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) I'm all for it gkhan 23:38, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * Yup, if WP:FICT is broken we need to fix it globally, not make exceptions for it. --W(t) 00:13, 2005 May 28 (UTC)
 * 1) Definitely yes, without a doubt. We've already got merged lists for Star Wars and Zelda and other fan things, so this should NOT be excluded. I'm a (fairly) avid fan of the games, and this info is right now useless to me. And the Pokemon Wikibooks content is currently looking lonely, so a lot of this could pad it out... Master Thief GarrettTalk 06:38, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Not all of thses creatures are notable enought o have an article, let's merge them in some way. I support a wikibooks option as well. BrokenSegue 13:30, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) Of course. This is no reason for an exception to the rules.  —Sean κ. + 18:35, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Please note that WP:FICT is not a rule (policy), but a guideline (semi-policy). --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 19:09, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) As long as they're stubs, they're better off merged. Radiant_* 09:07, May 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) I think merged lists are generally more useful for this sort of thing, as opposed to dozens of pages with minimal information. Rje 15:52, May 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) Merge lists are nearly always more useful than dozens of short stubby articles. There's nothing special about Pokémon that makes it an exception to this rule.    — P Ingerson  (talk)  20:07, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 4) Yes. Definitely. I'm not even sure that 'major Pokémon' is a realistic distinction and that they ought not to be merged too. David [[Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg|25px]] | Talk 20:49, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, merging smaller articles into larger ones on minor charachters is much better way of organizing information MechBrowman 03:33, May 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Yes, merge all small articles which only contain the stats tables. It's right for any of those characters to be linked to seperate articles, however, providing there is sufficient additional content to merit the addition of this seperate article. UkPaolo 19:05, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Oh yes. Agree with all above reasons. Merged lists will help users, especially those who are not dedicated Pokefolk, to see how the different Pokemon relate to each other. This is part of making an encyclopedia instead of an almanac or a general knowledge base. FreplySpang (talk) 03:53, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) Absolutely. — Phil Welch 05:51, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, these tiny stubs with no content apart from the stats and one or two lines should be merged. But let the authors of the Pokémon articles decide which of them, and how many of them are major. If they want to expand any (or all!) of them and put them into separate articles, I have no trouble with that. Sjakkalle 10:01, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Yes. I prefer to site precedent. Star Wars, Star Trek and The Simpsons all have lists of minor characters, and in my personal opinion they have had more impact on popular culture than Pokémon. Furthermore, there are many good reasons for lists, which I will not delve into as other users already have.--Scimitar 14:58, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, strongly. As others have stated, there is precedent in articles for characters from Star Wars and Star:FICT guidelines? As for concerns about what constitutes a "major" pokemon or a minor one, major pokemon should be those which feature prominently and significantly in the television shows, movies, etc. and for which a significant amount of information is amassed.--M412k 15:45, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Support, a list is more useful than a hundred sustubs. - Mike Rosoft 19:11, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, not only do I echo Sjakkalle's comments, I'm also failing to see the relevance of section 3 of WP:FIC, since all pokemon can be tied directly to the pokemon universe. Hiding 17:27, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, merge all of the stubs together. Break them out into independant articles only when they grow big enough to justify it. -- BD2412 talk 21:26, 2005 Jun 3 (UTC)
 * yes, the introduction section explaining that it's a fictional character from a fictional world is much better shared. Mozzerati 20:01, 2005 Jun 4 (UTC)
 * Yes, we have to keep consistent with Wikipedia standards. Pokemon does no warrant an exception. Sasquatch′↔Talk↔Contributions 06:01, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Of course. No special leeway for Pokemons.  Grue   12:14, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Yes. The ability to expand an article does not make it worth having an article - it is of course quite possible to write a very long article on any individual old enough to write, but the vast majority of these would be deleted as vanity. Few Pokemon are separately recognisable and would have any influence at all separate from the Pokemon game/series itself. The collection of statistics for these fictional characters is basically a game guide, and should therefore be in wikibooks. Average Earthman 10:27, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) Yes. For the most part, I don't see how a pokeman character is notable.  To me, only the series/concept itself is notable. --Xcali 22:13, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 4) Yes. The wikipedia standards have to be followed, that is a major concern as Sasquatch said. Also, many of these creatures have nothing significant about them that cannot be stated in a list, and forcing a user to click to each one's seperate article simply to read a line of text is not a good idea. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 00:56, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)

No

 * 1) Pokemon articles should be organized for the convenience of the users. Kappa 23:35, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) (I guess all I had to do was say the word :)) Detailed below. --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 00:37, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) *Due to the way redirects work, enforcing this proposal by merging would be cumbersome for end users when looking for types with many POKéMON. Searching for, say, Deoxys, would require you to wait until data on all 45 (24 if only using Type1) of the psychic POKéMON had loaded. These 23/44 extra POKéMON may very well be uninteresting for the average reader.
 * 4) *If we, as I assume, only use Type1 for organizing, Flying Pokemon would be practically empty, as all 50 Flying POKéMON have it as Type2. That way, we essentially have an article that must be present, but which will hardly ever be used, as most people will likely look for POKéMON by name, rather than type.
 * 5) *Since we will need to let at least SOME of the POKéMON keep their current articles as-is, we will either have permanently incomplete pages, or duplication.
 * 6) *The main reason for merging seems to be grouping statistics of similar POKéMON - this would essentially make the new articles strategy guides, which should be kept to Wikibooks. If this is not the case, a summary of the proposed changes must be made before concluding the poll and implementing the changes, and people must be given enough time to change their votes if they wish.
 * 7) *The poll gives no clear definition of the difference between a "major" and a "minor" POKéMON.
 * 8) The proposal seems to be really a "vote to pass the buck to someone else" to me.  It's really trying to stifle organic growth by largely arbitrary means. kelvSYC 05:12, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 9) When you take into account that all the Pokedexes of the different games add a new fact or two, individual Pokemon articles can only grow. Add into this anime appearances, availability notes, name origin notes, then you have a fairly full fledged article. This can be done for virtually every Pokemon. Having individual articles is convenient as well, as anyone searching for a particular Pokemon likely wants an article on that Pokemon instead of a long list full of tables that would quite exceed the suggested kb size for an article. -Dalkaen 19:02, May 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * 10) Strongly oppose -- see Dalkaen's points, as he put it better than I could. If you want a list of "foobar"-type pokémon, you use the category function.  There is no need to overcomplicate the Wikipedia by adding in a complex system of redirects like what is being proposed.  Almafeta 04:41, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 11) *Additionally, I just checked the WP:FICT guidelines for when fictional characters should have their own page, and Pokémon seem to already be covered under rule 3:
 * 12) *"Fictional characters which are cultural icons appearing in works of fiction not directly linked to themselves (e.g. as cameo or guest appearance), or who cannot be neatly tied to a particular work of fiction or fictional universe deserve articles of their own, regardless of other circumstances."
 * 13) *Each Pokémon appears in multiple videogames of varying genres for multiple systems, different 'traditional' games (including the card game and the short-lived paper roleplaying game), multiple manga by different authors, and three different animé series. This sort of multimedia diversity is as distant from the definition of 'particular work' as you are likely to ever see, so by WP:FICT, the current standard is the correct way to organize the pages.  Almafeta 05:14, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Star Trek and Star Wars, despite each covering at least a half-dozen movies, different television series, comics, novels, games, and other associated cruft, still have List of Star Trek characters and List of minor Star Wars characters. WP:FICT was written to handle both small and large franchises. A Man In Black 21:15, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Characters who only appear in a single work (such as Davik Kang) are in the list of minor characters. Characters who appear in multiple works (Boba Fett, Han Solo) have their own pages.  So it should be with Pokémon.  Almafeta 18:31, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) I don't see what the problem is. Is it really so cluttering? Does it get in the way of other articles? I think the reason the articles in question were created in the first place, was to provide an encyclopedic database for the different pokemon. So seeing as it is encyclopedic in nature, I think it belongs here just fine. Should we take every wikipedia article about animals and organize them into one big table? Listing their eating habbits and a bit about them? Big confusing tables, full of redirects, have no place in wikipedia. Like Dalkaen said, when a user looks for an article on a pokemon, he wants an article on that pokemon. Not the 400 others. Leukoplakia 08:21, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I disagree. When I look for a Pokemon, I want to see information on its evolutionary stages displayed in such a way that it's easy to compare them. Radiant_* 09:07, May 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * So how exactly would this proposal help with Eevee, arguably the POKéMON where getting an overview of these things is most complex? Besides, only a few other POKéMON can evolve into more than one POKéMON, so you already have a link to the pre-evolution and evolution in the infobox. We could help this out slightly by adding a field to the infobox named "Evolution chain", so you always have a link to every POKéMON in the same family. --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 10:17, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, for Eevee, personally I would like to see all five possible destination forms at the same time, together with the base form. Not on six different pages. That's the most complex case, isn't it? Nothing else evolves to Vaporeon, for instance, so I'd say the six form a family. Eevee does show that grouping strictly by type is probably not the best way of organizing, though. Radiant_* 20:46, May 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * It is true that I think reorganizing some pokemon would be nice. But I'd still like to see each individual pokemon in it's own article. Perhaps a section for links to every possible evolution. But sure as hell not one giant table full of redirects. Leukoplakia 23:10, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) There are better policies than WP:FICT, eg. Importance. ··gracefool |☺ 01:44, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * WP:FICT is a guideline, which is less than a policy and is more like a rule of thumb. importance is a controversial proposed policy, which limits its relevance. 05:04, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Strong Oppose Far from being a newbie mistake, our pokemon pages are a vast, complex, interconnected, and well-organised series of highly informative articles. While it's undeniable that some are currently stubs, there's enough to be said about each pokemon that they could all have real articles when someone has the time to write them, which they eventually will.  Mass merging or listing would stifle the sort of organic growth that Wikipedia is largely based upon. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd  11:46, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Muchly oppose. Where exactly is the problem in having an article about every Pokemon? A lot of people find all of them notable, and a lot of people find other "more valid" articles non-notable. If it can demonstrably be proven that somebody will die by a method other than suicide if every Pokemon has its own article, then I will change my vote. And not before. Ketsuban (is 1337) 02:35, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Comment

 * Could the author of the poll make a sample page to get an idea what these merged lists would possibly be like? Some of the comments on both sides seem to demonstrate a lack of understanding what such lists would and wouldn't be. I've been reconsidering my vote, especially if the lists are more like what Pidgeot has described and less like what I pictured in my head. A Man In Black 02:05, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * That really depends on the statistics table used in the combined list. If the decision is to use the full-sized table, then a merge criteria that puts about a dozen articles per list seems reasonable.  If we go with one of the reduced tables, leaving the in-depth statistics to the Wikibooks game guide, then 30 or so stubs per list is perfectly managable.  A minimum merge would be by evolutionary line.  I don't know enough about Pokémon to tell how many articles this would produce, but I think it would be somewhere around a hundred.

 * In regards to Pidgeot's objection about duplicate content, there is a standard method for creating a collection where some of the items have in-depth entries, while others don't: a one-to-two paragraph summary of the larger article is left on the collection page. Carnildo 03:35, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Please see Grass Pokémon and Fire Pokémon. Like that. Then at the bottom it would have "Pokemon with Grass as their Type2 characteristic" and a little list of wikilinks to *their* Type1 page, directly to them via bookmarks (#) so as to be as streamlined as possible. And see, Bulbasaur has a large enough page, so links back to its own page. Like that. OK? Master Thief GarrettTalk 05:02, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

Don't forget, POKéMON is still very much alive. As more POKéMON appear, these proposed pages become more and more unwieldy. --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 10:02, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Hm, um... yes... hadn't thought of that... the way things are going the series gains ~120 every three years... hmmm... I really don't know... hmmm... Master Thief GarrettTalk 13:26, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, as pokemon are added they become increasingly non-notable. Thus merging is the only way to control the growth of these articles on wikipedia. BrokenSegue 13:34, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah, that's another way of looking at it. And even the anime can't save them for long; the starters are the stars of the anime and have entire episodes devoted to them, but the moment the next game comes out, they get conveniently written out so Ash can acquire the new starters... oh, all except Pikachu of course, he has to stay, yes... Master Thief GarrettTalk 15:49, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Already now, there are 78 Water-type POKéMON. Of these, only 8 of these have it as their Type2. That's roughly 18% of the current POKéMON. If POKéMON Diamond/Pearl brung the total up to 500, there would be 90 Water-type POKéMON to display in just one article. Sure, some of them are more notable, like Squirtle, and will probably have their own articles, but many won't. This means that, even now, the article will be HUGE (easily becoming several hundred KB big), which will be of great inconvenience to users, particularly 56Kers, who want to read about on of the later POKéMON, such as Relicanth. --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 15:40, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * So what is to be done? Divide them by type and generation? No, because later generations add new evolutions... hmmm... maybe if we merge into things like Pokemon ? If we use the (Hoenn, is it?) numbering system that would take the added evolutions into account... and remember, we're cutting most of the stat-table data. I don't think it will be quite as long and annoying as you make it sound... Master Thief GarrettTalk 15:49, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Merging into number ranges would be much more preferable in my opinion, since it creates a more even distribution of the amount of data - however, I would still prefer everything left alone (which is why I voted No). --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 16:29, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * However, NO using any number system apart from the National POKéDEX. This is the only numbering system used everywhere, whereas other Dexes (Johto DEX, Hoenn DEX) are limited to a few games. Additionally, they have no official numbers for those POKéMON not in their "regular" DEX range. --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 10:17, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Even merging all of the series of evolutions (ex. squirtle, warturtle and balstoise) without respect to type could reduce the number of articles significantly. I still believe that the wikibooks option is preferable because it retain all content while not cluttering wikipedia with non-significant fictional constructs. These massive pages described above should be avoided and replaced with more medium sized pages. BrokenSegue 04:59, 29 May 2005 (UTC) Is it just me, or are those who vote Yes completely ignoring rather crucial points, such as the fact that WP:FICT is a guideline, not a rule, and that merged lists will be unwieldy and will continue to grow more so as time passes and more information is acquired? Everyone keeps spouting "we shouldn't make an exception to the rule," but it's not a rule, it's a suggestion, and I even think in this situation Pokemon are exempt, as they exist not only in several games, but in animes, mangas, merchandise, various games unrelated to the contiguous Pokemon games (Pokemon Snap, the Pinball games, etc) and because of this, many (relevant, encyclopedic) things can be written about virtually every Pokemon. --Dalkaen 21:06, May 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm glad the proposal finally got attention from more than a couple of users. However, I find the argument that it could 'easily become a 100kb page' not very convincing; presently, there isn't any information on 80% of the pokemon, except for game statistics. To my knowledge, there hasn't been anyone working on adding that information for a long time, and I'm not sure there exists information for many pokemon beyond what is put in the template. Radiant_* 09:07, May 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * If the merge lists get too big then break them up into smaller articles, as is already covered in the WP:FICT guidelines. But so many Pokémon articles are just stubs, the lists won't get too big for a long time.  And Minor characters from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy covers different versions of characters in radio, television, film, etc. so there's a precedent for merging characters across different media too.    — P Ingerson  (talk)  21:32, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm agreeing with you here, Dalkaen - to me, it seems like the Yes side virtually refuses to comment on the concerns of the No side. We have given a LOT of reasons not to perform this merge, but the only reason that's come from the Yes side seems to be "Follow WP:FICT" and "Merge because they're stubs". --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 21:56, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Seems to me that these 'guidelines' almost seemed to have Pokemon in mind when they were cooked up. I have to say I'm leaning towards supporting the motion, but I'm still trying to wade through the page to understand the opposing view. Sabine's Sunbird 22:47, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

I just checked the WP:FICT guidelines for when fictional characters should have their own page, and Pokémon seem to already be covered under rule 3: Each Pokémon appears in multiple videogames of varying genres for multiple systems, different 'traditional' games (including the card game and the short-lived paper roleplaying game), multiple manga by different authors, and three different animé series. This sort of multimedia diversity is as distant from the definition of 'particular work' as you are likely to ever see, so by WP:FICT, the current standard is the correct way to organize the pages. Almafeta 05:14, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * "Fictional characters which are cultural icons appearing in works of fiction not directly linked to themselves (e.g. as cameo or guest appearance), or who cannot be neatly tied to a particular work of fiction or fictional universe deserve articles of their own, regardless of other circumstances."
 * Ooookkkaaayyyyy.... And how can Pokemon (and I realise I may be showing myself to be an utter ignoramous here, but I have to ask it) not be considered to be tied a particular fictional universe? Sabine's Sunbird 23:08, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * One could argue that the entire POKéMON world consists of multiple parallel universes. For example, in the animé, you have Ash. But you also have him in RBY, although the two things tell a different (if somewhat similar) story, and he's also in GSC, again in a very different situation from what is seen elsewhere. By that logic, there is no single universe that POKéMON is tied to. --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 23:14, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * The thing here is that the guideline mentions a character which only shows up in a particular work. Pokémon is not a single fictional work.  Another such series which spans more than type of media and more than one series is Star Trek, which has individual pages here on Wikipedia for James T. Kirk, Jean-Luc Picard, Kathryn Janeway, Geordi la Forge, Deanna Troi, et multiple cetera.  Nobody's suggested that all the individual Star Trek pages be reorganized into Engineers of Star Trek, Captains of Star Trek, Admirals of Star Trek, Counselors of Star Trek, Red Shirts of Star Trek, and so on and so forth.  Almafeta 23:31, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * By that particular logic you could justify a page for every single character in every Scooby Doo cartoon (including old man Wilkins, the caretaker at the abandoned fairground), since the diffferent series and filums could represent different parallel universes. (I am never going to forgive myself for discussing the nature of reality in Pokemon). You're right, no one is suggesting merging James T. Kirk, Jean-Luc Picard, Kathryn Janeway, Geordi la Forge, Deanna Troi, anymore than Ash, Misty, Pickachu or Team Rocket are going to get merged. The Pokemon represents one multiverse, if you like, one phenomeon. They are pokemon, ergo they are part of the World of Pokemon. The World of Pokemon, the phenomon that Nintendo spawned and unleashed (and had me gaming in the rainforest when I should have been working, may I add. beat that!) is a 'particular work of fiction' that is represented in different media but is still one overall product.  Sabine's Sunbird 00:36, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Of course, by THAT logic, there is nothing fictional that cannot be represented as a particular work of fiction.
 * The trouble with your Scooby-Doo analogy is that we have no indications that things really DO happen at the same place, at the same time, but with different consequences. In POKéMON, we do - obviously, FR/LG and R/B/Y occur at the same time and place, but there are still many differences, regardless of which path the player chooses to use. --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 01:12, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Then maybe The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is a better analogy than Scooby Doo. The radio series, books, TV series, film, comic books, etc., all have similar-but-different versions events happening at the same place, at the same time, but with different consequences.  Just like the animé, manga, game, etc. versions of Pokémon.  But all the minor Hitchhikers characters are still merged into one Minor characters from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy article for ALL different versions of the Hitchhikers universe.  So why can't you do the same for all the different versions of the Pokémon universe?    — P Ingerson  (talk)  21:49, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Very minor characters would either be covered on a page dedicated to where they appeared. To continue the Star Trek anology, this would work similarly to List of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine characters, which covers characters which only appeared in one series of Star Trek as an unimportant or minor role.  Similarly, characters who appear in multiple forms of media (all the Pokémon, f'rex, or Professor Oak) or in multiple animé series (like Brock) would appear on their own pages, while characters who only appear in one game (most of the later Gym Leaders of the videogames, which haven't become recurring characters like almost all of the original game's gym leaders) or one animé (like Duplica) would only appear in pages like List of Pokémon (anime) characters.  Thus, your "old man Wilkins" would only appear in List of Scooby-Doo villains, while characters like Thelma, Scooby, Shaggy, etc., would get their own pages.  Almafeta 00:01, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Not exactly true, really. Pokemon is many different universes and works, and not all fans of one universe are fans of all the universes. Many fans of Pokémon Adventures consider themselves more mature than fans of the Pokémon anime, for example, as the former has a more organised, better-thought-out, and less-repetitive plot, as well as more character development and a somewhat more mature storyline. Fans of both Adventures and the anime, however, often overlook Magical Pokémon Journey, and the few of us who are fans of that series may also prefer it to other incarnations. Then there are the games (which are obviously distinct from any of the other universes); the TCG, the other; less-popular, manga series; and so forth. It's quite naive to say that Pokémon is only one franchise. Ketsuban (is 1337) 02:46, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

At the moment, where do we stand on how these articles will be merged under this proposal? I'm inclined to vote no since I've seen nothing definitive to how this will be done. I'm also afraid that after a while these merged pages are going to grow to a point where the information is going to have to be broken up into seperate articles again. -- I'm not up on my Pokemon, but can't we at least merge pages into evolutions of the first Pokemon. Meaning (for example so don't pick this too much apart for my choice) merge Blastoise, Wartortle and Squirtle at Squirtle? Is there a problem with something like this? This would at least cut down on the amount of stub-like articles. I don't know. I'm open to a merge, but it just seems like a bad idea to me. K1Bond007 04:36, May 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * Merging based on first evolutions wouldn't work either, since new evolutions (both 'before', in the case of Pichu → Pikachu, and 'after', in the case of Onyx → Steelix) are added all the time. Almafeta 23:52, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

 * That's not true. The process is 'merge and redirect'. So if, say, Uchakip is added before Pichu, then one could add that to the top of said article, and create a redirect. Radiant_* 15:08, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)

Question one: How will this vote work? Is it going to be simple majority, two-thirds majority (like a VfD, which is pretty much what this amounts to), or what? Question two: Would we be allowed to 'move out' full articles from the stats-only Pokémon ambiguation pages, once we have created full pages for them? Almafeta 23:52, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * The answer to your second question is a definite yes. The point is not to forbid something or to stifle inclusion of pokemons here. The point is that a number of people (at this point, the majority in the poll) find the information more conveniently accessible in merged form. That doesn't mean all pokemon in a single list; it doesn't either mean all Fire Pokemon into a single list (even if that has been a suggestion, it is by no means set in fire stone). But take a look at the table below and see if you find it useful... (yes, so I made that up; but the point is it does allow for easy comparison of the three evolutionary stages; add other columns as necessary) Radiant_* 15:08, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * See also Horsea for this kind of example applied to existing articles. Radiant_* 15:39, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)

(add story below, and anything that's common to all fruitmon doesn't have to be repeated thrice)

''In episode 42, Ash accidentally tries to eat an applemon, then it evolves into a grapemon before his eyes and attacks him with sour spit. But Pikachu comes to the rescue, and it's sour grapes for everyone!'''

Additional question. What are the Pokénav project pages going to do now? Before, in the pages, whenever they mentioned a pokémon who had notable influence in the plot of a movie, in the development of a character, or whatnot, they could just link to it. Are all the Pokénav pages going to have to be rewritten to have a "See Also: List of fire pokémon, list of grass pokémon," etc., section at the bottom of each page? Almafeta 14:53, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * They can still link to it, that's the beauty of Redirects. Just like Pokemon can be linked without the accented é. Radiant_* 15:08, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)

In reaction to Pidgeot
You said above that you were disappointed that the 'yes' voters didn't react to the comments by the 'no' voters, so I'm going to attempt that here. In my opinion, discussion is more important than voting in the first place.
 * 1) Most importantly, if we decide to merge things, the way in which it'll happen is open to discussion. The first suggestion was by prime type, but I'm not convinced that that's the best idea. Maybe merging all different evolutionary forms is best.
 * 2) Kappa wants information to be convenient. So do I. If I open Poliwag, I'd prefer to have information on its destination types available at a glance. Not at three or four additional clicks.
 * 3) The argument that the page grows too large is based on the mistaken opinion that things should be merged into lists of 40+ pokemon; that was never decided as such.
 * WP:FICT is indeed only a guideline. But Pokemon is one universe, even if it has varying plotlines. Buffy/Angel is one universe. All Star Trek things are one universe. Those three are three separate universes, and if Buffy were to appear with Picard, that would be 'transcendence'. But that's just semantics. Alfemata's argument that nobody wants Star Trek organized like List_of_Starfleet_officers is flawed, since we do have such lists. Ditto for Tolkien.
 * 1) People say that all pokemon articles can be expanded to become encyclopedic non-stubs. I'm far from convinced - 90% of them aren't. If they can be, prove it by doing so.
 * Give us a list of the pokemon comprising this 90% statistic that I believe you made up on the spot, And we'll get to work, but as Dalkaen said below, It'll take some time. lynch 08:48, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

So, I propose this compromise: merge all evolutionary stages of a pokemon into one article. After all, Blastoise is a Squirtle. And it allows for easy comparison. Radiant_* 07:49, May 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * You can see the next evolution of Poliwag without clicking at all, in the Evolves To cell. If you click that, you'll see his next evolution. Where are you getting "three or four additional clicks" from? One of the reasons I think merging is a bad idea is that suppose someone sees someone mentioning Charmeleon, for instance. This person, being especially clueless, has no idea what a Charmeleon is, and thus checks Wikipedia for answers and gets a page with all kinds of extraneous details about Charmander and Charizard. This person will have to scroll through all this additional information to get to what Charmeleon is. I just think it's more convenient if each of the Pokemon have their own article. The example you cited with the list of Star Trek characters isn't a relevant analogy, as that is merely a list, whereas these will be full fledged articles with statistic tables. And yes, I do believe that most Pokemon articles can be expanded beyond stub status, but you can't expect this to happen immediately. Give those of us who edit these articles time to research and to write these things. We can't devote 100% of our time to it. Otherwise, a lot of the articles would be stubs no longer. --Dalkaen 08:34, May 30, 2005 (UTC)

 * A good encyclopedia will not simply teach you what you want to know, but will entice you to want to know more. Your hypothetical clueless user should realize that Charmander and Charizard information is intimately related to Charmeleon, and will have learned more than he were seeking. Besides, the articles have partial overlaps. Radiant_* 10:57, May 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't this be fairly self-evident when they're listed in the fields "Evolves from" and "Evolves to"? I know this hypothetical users doesn't know anything about POKéMON, but that shouldn't have to stop him from knowing about evolution in general.
 * And for the record, ANY POKéMON has enough to write about to go beyond a stub - there's etymology, availability and info found in the POKéDEX for all of them - and as it happens, this is pretty much everything found in Nidoran♀, which isn't a stub. --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 19:20, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm happy to see PokeArticles evolve (pardon the pun) beyond stub (hm, the next evolve would be PokeFeature, I'd guess). Regarding which way of organizing is better, I'd say we both have a valid opinion so maybe we should agree to disagree. Radiant_* 08:34, May 31, 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Glen Riddle Farm

didn't war admiral lose to seabiscuit? that seems to be the most significant notoriety.

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I have flushed out the page with some information found at the link under See Also. There is a lot more to add, so please jump in! -- wackyvorlon

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Wells Fargo Center (Portland, Oregon)

Wells Fargo Center is a 40-story, 166.4 m tower and a five-story adjacent office building with three levels of parking below the surface in Portland, Oregon. The tower became the tallest building in the state of Oregon when it was completed in 1972.

History
The building and a connected five-story building were designed by Charles Luckman and Associates. Originally named the First National Bank Tower, the building opened on April 17, 1972, and was formally dedicated on May 25, 1972. At that time, the bank occupied the first 21 floors of the tower and the entire connected, five-story building, which is known as the Data Processing Building. The name was changed to the First Interstate Tower in 1980–81, after Western Bancorporation, the parent of First National Bank of Oregon, changed its name to First Interstate Bancorp. The current name was adopted after Wells Fargo purchased First Interstate in 1996. Upon opening in 1972, the Wells Fargo Center dwarfed all other buildings in downtown Portland. Public outcry over the tower's scale and the potential of new development to block views of Mount Hood led to height restrictions on all new development.

The public areas underwent extensive renovation in 2001, including the addition of more retail space. Renovations were completed in 2002 at a cost of $35 million. Focused on the lobby area, the work included the addition of a display on the bank's history. The center had been the headquarters of Willamette Industries until 2003, when that company was bought by Weyerhaeuser. In November 2017, Starwood Capital Group purchased the tower and adjacent carriage building from Wells Fargo.

Details
Wells Fargo Center contains the regional headquarters of Wells Fargo Bank. The tower is located in Downtown Portland, in the block bounded by Southwest Fourth and Fifth Avenues between Southwest Columbia and Jefferson Streets. A skyway connects the tower to the adjacent five-story Data Processing Building, which is also part of the Wells Fargo Center. The 40-story building is the tallest building in Oregon, and the third largest office building with 577339 ft2. The main bank lobby is home to an authentic 1870 stagecoach from Wells Fargo's past.

Architectural details include extensive use of marble. There is a total of 60000 sqft of white Italian marble, 3/4 in thick. The exterior of the building has columns of bronze-tinted glass, white Italian marble, and anodized aluminum running the entire height of the building.

Reception
The design of the building has been criticized for a variety of architectural issues. Ivan Doig, writing about Portland for The New York Times in 1976, stated the building was "huge and sleek and featureless".

Museum
A branch of the Wells Fargo History Museum is located in the building's lobby. The museum's exhibits include an 1854 stagecoach, telegraph and mining equipment, and displays about the company's use of steamboats along the Columbia and Willamette Rivers.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Poispakkoruotsi

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was - deleted - SimonP 00:25, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)

Poispakkoruotsi
This article has been a stub for two years. Only two pages link to it. I doubt this is anything more than a topic in a dissatisfied group, and does not need a separate page. --Fred-Chess 08:40, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Being a stub for a long time is not a reason to delete. Keep -- Thv 08:44, 2005 Jun 2 (UTC)

Whilst short, this article appears to the point and on a subject deserving of note. Keep, on the basis that the term would be what would be searched for. --Simon Cursitor 11:07, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC) Deleted; vote revoked; per Finnish comment below --Simon Cursitor 06:57, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I can not find any English pages about poispakkoruotsi on google.com, except for pages derived from wikipedia. --Fred-Chess 12:46, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep the finn-cruft! Seriously though, the stub seems notable.
 * Delete per Finn below --Scimitar 15:18, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge with Mandatory Swedish. Delete per Captain Disdain. Salleman 21:12, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. As a Finn, I'm familiar with this. Let me to give you guys some information: There used to be a www.poispakkoruotsi.com where people could sign a petition to remove mandatory studies of Swedish from schools. (They were aiming to get 15,000 names, but ended up with 8,401 -- they closed the petition in August 2003.) The petition was delivered to the powers that be. In any case, it's gone now -- the site's for sale. Seriously, this is not notable at all. I wouldn't even redirect it anywhere; it just isn't something that's likely to be a relevant entry point of research on Wikipedia for anyone. I mean, it's not even notable in Finland (the topic of there being an ongoing argument against mandatory studying of Swedish is, obviously, but "poispakkoruotsi" itself was just a really minor campaign with no impact; there have been -- and undoubtedly will be -- numerous other petitions of similar scale), let alone on the international scale Wikipedia operates on. It just isn't notable enough -- it isn't likely to be a term used by anyone researching the subject, either.
 * Delete as I defer to the Finn. However, I'd ask that he rewrite a small stub of information for the Mandatory Swedish asticle so that this article does not get created again since there is no mention of this petition.  Vegaswikian 05:59, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I suppose I could, but actually, I'd rather not. I don't really see any chance of this article being recreated -- it was originally created when the petition was still in existence, presumably by someone who was involved with it or felt strongly about it. (Even then, it was pretty much a vanity page; I'd say it was created not to provide information but to advertise the campaign.) Point is, the petition was already closed and delivered almost two years ago; there's no impetus for anyone to recreate the article now. Like I said, it's not the only such petition ever created and there will undoubtedly be many others... but unless one of them actually proves to be significant enough to have an impact on national policy or is of note in some other way, I'd rather not mention any one of them by name just so as to not afford any one of them status that they really don't deserve. However, I'd be happy to write in a mention of there having been numerous petitions and other similar undertakings to pressure the decisionmakers on this issue, but that none of them have been successful; that's true and not an insignificant phenomenon in itself, even though the particular campaigns have been less than noteworthy. -- Captain Disdain 10:26, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Added the following to the mandatory Swedish page: "There have been numerous petitions and other similar campaigns undertaken by citizens to pressure the lawmakers, but to date, they have had no significant impact on the established policy and have not attained a great deal of momentum. Thus, while the ongoing national debate is often heated and passionate, it has yet to reach a point where there is enough opposition to mandatory Swedish to force the government to consider a change of policy." Oh, and I also removed the link to the poispakkoruotsi article. -- Captain Disdain 11:06, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Mandatory Swedish covers this topic already, efforts should go to improving that article. jni 17:05, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages.  Please do not edit this page .


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Lithuania District

Lithuania District (Verwaltungsbezirk Litauen) was an administrative division of German-controlled territory of Ober-Ost during World War I. It was bordered by the Bialystok-Grodno District to the south and the Courland District to the north.

History
The area was formed roughly from parts of the former Vilna Governorate and Suvalki Governorate of the Russian Empire.

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Debra Lawrance

Debra Lawrance (born 1 January 1957) is an Australian actress. She is best known for her role on Home and Away, as Pippa Ross, which she played from 1990 to 1998 and in a number of subsequent return appearances, the most recent being in 2009.

Lawrance is also known for her role as Rose in Please Like Me, for which she won an AACTA Award for Best Performance in a Television Comedy and a Logie Award for Most Outstanding Supporting Actress.

Early life
Debra Lawrance was born in Melbourne, Victoria and was the second youngest of six children. In 1975 Lawrance studied and graduated in 1977 from NIDA alongside such alumni as Mel Gibson, Steve Bisley, Judy Davis, Sally McKenzie and Robert Menzies.

Career
Lawrance has appeared in a number of roles including The Sullivans as Prue Waterman (1976), in Skyways as Sheila Turner,  A Country Practice as Kerry Burgess (1982),  Bellamy (1981) as Lisa and  Sons and Daughters between 1983 and 1984 as Lisa Cook.

Prisoner, The Last Outlaw and The Fast Lane
Lawrance had a more permanent role in Prisoner from 1985 to 1986 as Daphne Graham, after having had minor roles including as a Nurse and Trainee Prisoner Officer Sally Dean much earlier in the series.

Lawrance featured in miniseries The Last Outlaw, (1980) a series about Ned Kelly, and feature film Silver City (1984).

Lawrance's big break was a lead role in The Fast Lane, a widely successful ABC comedy. Her success led to her appearance in the film Evil Angels (released as A Cry in the Dark outside of Australia and New Zealand) starring Meryl Streep. Lawrance also appeared in Two Brothers Running with Tom Conti.

Home and Away
In July 1990 Lawrance was cast in Home and Away, taking over the role of Pippa Fletcher (later Ross) from Vanessa Downing. Lawrance left the main cast in 1998, but has made returning guest appearances over the years, the last being in 2009. In 2023 Lawrance gave an extensive interview with Talking Prisoner were she revealed that she was still close friends with many of the cast.

Other projects
Lawrance subsequently starred in Blue Heelers in the recurring role as Reverend Grace Curtis, Tom Croydon's ill-fated wife from 2001 to 2004.

Debra's theatre credits include the London tour of Jack Davis' No Sugar, the role of Vi in the Melbourne Theatre Company production of The Memory of Water, the 2009 tour of Steel Magnolias in the role of M'lyn, the title role in the 2010 tour of Driving Miss Daisy.

From 2019-2022, Lawrance played Minerva McGonagall in the stage production of Harry Potter and the Cursed Child.

From 2013 to 2016, Lawrance played Rose, the mother of the protagonist Josh Thomas, in the comedy drama Please Like Me appearing in all four seasons of the show, during which her character dealt with divorce and mental illness.

In 2017, Lawrance appeared as a celebrity contestant on Hell's Kitchen Australia. Lawrance won the series, winning $50,000 for her nominated charity Ovarian Cancer Australia.

In 2018, Lawrance read Charlotte Voake's Ginger on Play School Story Time on ABC Kids.

She briefly joined the cast of Neighbours in 2018 as Liz Conway, the sister of Susan Kennedy.

In early 2023, it was revealed Lawrance had joined the cast of a new crime drama on the Nine Network called Human Error.

From 2 April 2023, Lawrance appeared as a contestant in the ninth season of I'm a Celebrity...Get Me Out of Here!. As on Hell's Kitchen Australia, Lawrance's nominated charity was Ovarian Cancer Australia. Lawrance was eliminated fifth on 23 April 2023.

Lawrance was named in the cast for channel 9's Human Error in 2022.

In June 2024, Lawrance was named as part of the cast for the second season of the Stan series Scrublands.

Awards
Lawrance's performance on Please Like Me was met with critical acclaim. She won an AACTA Award for Best Performance in a Television Comedy at the 4th AACTA Awards in 2015 for her part in a two-hander episode (with Thomas) in the show's second season.

Lawrance was also awarded a Logie in the peer-voted Most Outstanding Support Actress category at the 2017 Logie Awards.

Personal life
Lawrance met her husband Dennis Coard when he was cast as Pippa's second husband on Home and Away as Michael Ross. They married in 1992 and have two children, daughter Grace (born 1992) and son William (born 1999). Lawrance experienced four miscarriages before their son William was born.

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Consortium imperii

Consortium imperii is a Latin term dating from the Roman Dominate, denoting the sharing of imperial authority between two or more emperors, each hence designated as consors imperii, i.e., "partner in (exercising) imperium", either as formal equals or in subordination, in which case the junior was often the senior's designated heir—not necessarily the natural one—and successor. In theory, this arrangement served to share the burden of government and ensure smooth succession, as rivalry at these moments was a major threat to the stability of the Empire; however, in practice the net result was often more civil war.

Although in political reality adoption was an alternative technique to aim for the same result in terms of succession (and which succeeded in producing one genealogically "false" but politically satisfactory dynasty of so-called "Adoptive Emperors"), constitutionally, this was a horror as the Republic had never been abandoned in law. Thus, monarchical succession in the Principate, however realistic, was officially out of the question, and this stigma persisted in the Dominate, despite the obviously monarchical trappings adopted by the emperors in this era. 'Designation', rather than simple adoption, could at least be justified by qualitative criteria.

Roman consortia imperii

 * An early case of one emperor, remaining "sole sovereign" in charge but designating one junior and successor, was Marcus Aurelius (reigned 161–180 AD), who designated Lucius Verus.
 * Emperor Diocletian attempted an elaborate system with four emperors (two seniors styled Augustus, each with a junior styled Caesar), called later the Tetrarchy. Revolutionary was the notion that each was to be simultaneously in permanent charge of one quarter of the empire, not just sharing in central government. The experiment did not live up to its promise, as succession was not smoothened but contention multiplied, so the quadruple emperorship was abandoned—not the quarters, which remained as administrative and military divisions called praetorian prefecture, as did the lower level, called diocese, and the smaller size (and larger number) of Roman provinces.
 * In 395, the Roman Empire was split for good, but in two halves: Western and Eastern, each under a sovereign emperor, in charge of two praetorian prefectures, each with or without a partner in government.
 * Both the notion of "partnership" in the form of a senior emperor and several junior co-emperors (usually, but not necessarily, his sons), and Diocletian's titulature, but mainly versed in Greek (e.g. Sebastos for Augustus, a literal translation), became quite common in the Eastern Roman Empire, i.e. Byzantium, which lasted a further millennium after the fall of the Western Empire.

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Gisele Jackson

Gisele Jackson is a house music singer known for international club hits, "Me, Myself and I", "Make It On My Own", "Happy Feelings" and the Billboard charted #3, "Love Commandments" (1997). The song was remixed by Danny Tenaglia and by Stonebridge and also found success in Europe, reaching # 54 in the UK Singles Chart.

She graduated from Howard University, performed in tours for a few years with Ray Charles and Donna Summer building her career from Brooklyn, New York City. Gisele appeared singing in the 1996 film The First Wives Club and has performed all over the world, including at the presidential inauguration of Bill Clinton. She has performed solo at Carnegie Hall, Madison Square Garden and Lincoln Center. Gisele lent her voice to a worldwide commercial campaign by Johnnie Walker. She moved to Spain and toured with her 90-minute Classic Soul and Disco show 'JUMP!" with Gisele Jackson throughout Europe, Scandinavia and the Middle East.

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Alexander Karatheodori Pasha

Alexander Karatheodori Pasha (Αλέξανδρος Καραθεοδωρής; 1833–1906) was an Ottoman Greek statesman and diplomat. He was involved in diplomatic affairs following the aftermath of the Russo-Turkish War of 1877–78.

Biography
Born in Constantinople (now Istanbul) as a child of a leading Phanariote family. His father, Stefanos Karatheodori, was the personal physician of Sultan Mahmud II. After law studies in Paris, like many Phanariotes he pursued a career in the civil service of the Ottoman Empire. In 1874 he was appointed ambassador to Rome, and in 1878 he took part in the preliminary negotiations with Russia over the Treaty of San Stefano. Several months later was sent to Germany as the head commissioner of the Porte to the Congress of Berlin. There he was successful in changing the San Stefano peace terms in favour of the Ottoman Empire (Treaty of Berlin).

In November 1878, he was appointed Governor-General of Crete with the task of calming the island's tense situation, which had descended into near-civil war due to tensions between the Christian and Muslim inhabitants of the island. Soon however, in December 1878, he was recalled and became Ottoman Minister of Foreign Affairs, a post he held until he resigned from it in 1879.

Karatheodori finished his career as the Porte-appointed Prince of the autonomous Greek island of Samos for a full decade (1885-1895). In May 1895 he was again appointed Governor of Crete amidst renewed inter-communal tension, but was unsuccessful in restoring order and resigned in December.

He died in Constantinople. Another member of his family—his brother Konstantinos Karatheodoris (1841–1922)—later succeeded him for a brief princely rule in Samos in 1906.

Karatheodori translated a mathematical treatise by Nasir al-Din al-Tusi. His great-nephew was the mathematician Constantin Carathéodory.

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Annette Bear-Crawford

Annette Bear-Crawford (1853 – 7 June 1899) was a women's suffragist and federationist in Victoria.

Early life
Bear-Crawford was born in East Melbourne, her family was wealthy and she spent her childhood in Australia and England. She had three brothers and five sisters. Their father believed in giving his daughters 'every educational advantage' and Bear-Crawford was taught by governesses in Australia and England before attending Cheltenham Ladies' College, Gloucestershire. After some time in France and Germany she trained in social work in England, gaining experience of work in city slums and in London's New Hospital. She met leaders of the women's movement and became well known as an active member of the National Vigilance Association.

Women's suffrage
In April 1890, Bear-Crawford rejoined her mother in Victoria. She became a leading force in the growing women's movement which was then most concerned with gaining the franchise. Bear-Crawford believed that 'the vote would be the most effective instrument for improving conditions of life'. She used her fine organizing abilities to strengthen and eventually unite the existing suffrage societies. With the support of the Woman's Christian Temperance Union (WCTU), she formed the Victorian Women's Suffrage (Franchise) League. Then, on her initiative, the United Council for Women's Suffrage was founded in 1894, with representatives from organizations interested in the cause; she was first president and later honorary secretary. The council lobbied politicians and municipal councillors and organized a monster petition in favour of women's suffrage, but failed to persuade members of the Legislative Council to allow the passage of a franchise bill.

Bear-Crawford also helped to educate women for public work. An accomplished and logical speaker, she trained other women in the art; Vida Goldstein, who accompanied her to meetings, was shown how to handle hecklers and answer questions. Bear-Crawford constantly addressed WCTU and suffrage meetings and also encouraged women to gain election to school boards of advice. She helped to obtain amendments to legislation affecting women, including the raising of the age of consent to sixteen, and the appointment of women as factory inspectors and to the Benevolent Asylum Committee. She also saw the need for police matrons and women to administer the Infant Life Protection Act (1890), and was one of the first members of the Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Children and of the Victorian Vigilance Society. She was a stimulus and inspiration to Victorian feminists of the time. Perhaps her most enduring achievement was the foundation in Melbourne of the Queen Victoria Hospital for women, which grew out of her concern for the welfare of unmarried mothers and their children; she organized the successful Queen's Willing Shilling fund in 1897 to launch the scheme but did not live to see the hospital opened.

Personal life
In 1894, aged 41, Bear-Crawford had married William Crawford, a solicitor nine years her junior, and was thereafter known as Mrs Bear-Crawford. Her marriage brought her happiness but did little to change the even flow of her life. Beatrice Webb described her as a 'gentle-tempered intelligent woman who keeps me company in the dowdiness of her dress'. Domestic, affectionate and well-read, she had a 'lovable, sunny nature', but as an ardent feminist she believed strongly in women's equality with men; the Age reported in an editorial of 22 September 1897 that she had 'uttered the rather astounding dictum that most things worth having were originally produced by women. Man, she said, is destructive, while woman is constructive'.

In November 1898, after a farewell evening at the Prahran Town Hall, she left for England to attend the Women's International Conference. Her husband joined her in London only three weeks before she died of pneumonia, on 7 June 1899, aged 46. On 4 July a memorial service was held in St Paul's Cathedral, Melbourne; in 1902 a statue was unveiled in London to her memory and, in tribute to her work in England and Australia, her English friends placed a bronze plaque on the wall of Christ Church, South Yarra.

In 2007 Bear-Crawford was inducted to the Victorian Honour Roll of Women.

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MediaWorks

MediaWorks may refer to:
 * MediaWorks New Zealand, runs many radio stations across New Zealand
 * ASCII Media Works, a Japanese publishing house founded April 1, 2008
 * MediaWorks (publisher), a former Japanese publishing, which merged to form ASCII MediaWorks on April 1, 2008
 * SPH MediaWorks, a broadcasting company based in Singapore that was merged into MediaCorp

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BBS: The Documentary

BBS: The Documentary (commonly referred to as BBS Documentary) is a 3-disc, 8-episode documentary about the subculture born from the creation of the bulletin board system (BBS) filmed by computer historian Jason Scott of textfiles.com.

Production work began in July 2001, and completed in December 2004. The finished product began shipping in May 2005.

Although the documentary was released under the Creative Commons Attribute-ShareAlike 2.0 License and later under 3.0, meaning that anyone can legally download it for free, the author has made it known that the downloadable version is only a fraction of the available material and recommends that individuals purchase the documentary DVDs.

Episodes
Disc 1:
 * 1) Baud: the beginnings of the first BBSes, featuring Ward Christensen and Randy Suess
 * 2) SysOps and Users: experiences from those who used and operated BBSes, including B.W. Behling from Ahoy! magazine

Disc 2:
 * 1) Make it Pay: the BBS industry of the 1980s and 90s featuring Philip L. Becker, founder of eSoft
 * 2) FidoNet: details the largest volunteer-run computer network in history
 * 3) Artscene: the history of the ANSI Art Scene which thrived in the BBS world

Disc 3:
 * 1) HPAC (Hacking Phreaking Anarchy Cracking): hear from the users of "underground" BBSes
 * 2) No Carrier: the end of the dial-up BBS and its integration into the Internet
 * 3) Compression: the story of the PKWARE/SEA legal battle of the late 1980s

Disc 3 also serves as a DVD-ROM which contains thousands of photographs from the 200 interviews recorded during the 4-year production of the film. All of the episodes are subtitled in English and include director's commentary tracks. The Artscene episode is the only one to include subtitles translated into Russian. All discs include hidden easter eggs.

Reception
BBS: The Documentary was well reviewed, mainly by publications within the technology space. Wired called it "a five-and-a-half-hour paean to the era when computers were named Stacy and Lisa, and tech loyalists fought bitter battles over the superiority of Ataris to Amigas". Film Threat called it a "truly fascinating documentary about an increasingly obscure and obsolete technology". Popular Mechanics called it a "labor of love" and said it was "the sort of thing that not everyone can digest, but is utterly fascinating to those that can".

Since its release, the film has been cited by multiple academic works on the topic of computing history and internet culture.

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Guglielmo il Giuggiola

Guglielmo il Giuggiola (William, called the Ziziphus berry) was a 16th-century Italian poet and author of canzoni.

 * Canzona de' lanzi alabardieri
 * Canzona di lanzi che fanno schizzatoi
 * Canzona di lanzi venturieri

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User talk:The Beef

I have too much free time.

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Origin hypotheses of the Serbs

The Serbs trace their history to the 6th and 7th-century Slavic migrations to Southeastern Europe of the Early Slavs. Early Slavs absorbed the local Byzantines, who were primarily descendants of different paleo-Balkan peoples, and other former Roman citizens, and later established various states throughout the Middle Ages.

Early historical records of the Serb name
Various historical authors mentioned names of Serbs (Srbi) and Sorbs (Serbja; Serby) in different variants: as Cervetiis (Servetiis), gentis (S)urbiorum, Suurbi, Sorabi, Soraborum, Sorabos, Surpe, Sorabici, Sorabiet, Sarbin, Swrbjn, Servians, Sorbi, Sirbia, Sribia, Zirbia, Zribia, Suurbelant, Surbia, Serbulia / Sorbulia among others. These authors used these names to refer to Serbs and Sorbs in areas where their historical (or current) presence was/is not disputed (notably in the Balkans and Lusatia), but there are also sources that mention the same or similar names in other parts of the World (most notably in the Asiatic Sarmatia in the Caucasus). Attempts of various researchers to connect these names with modern Serbs produced various theories about the origin of the Serb people.

 * Early historical mentions of an alleged "Serb" ethnonym in the Caucasus:
 * Pliny the Younger in his work Plinii Caecilii Secundi Historia naturalis from the first century AD (69-75) mentioned people named Serboi, who lived near the Cimmerians, presumably on the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov.
 * In the 2nd century (around 175 AD), the Egyptian Greek scientist Claudius Ptolemy mentioned in his Geography people named Serboi or Sirboi, who presumably lived behind the Caucasus, in the hinterland of the Caspian Sea.

 * Early historical mentions of other Serb-sounding names that some researchers are trying to connect with the Serb people:
 * In the same book where he mentioned people named Serboi, Claudius Ptolemy also mentioned city named Serbinum in Pannonia.
 * Ancient geographer Strabo mentioned that river Xanthos in Lycia was formerly named Sirbis.
 * In the 10th century, Byzantine emperor Constantine VII Porphyrogennetos (912-959) mentioned in his book De Ceremoniis, apart from the Slavic Croats and Serbs, there were two tribes named Krevatades (Krevatas) and Sarban (Sarbani), which some researches identified as Croats and Serbs. These tribes were located in the Caucasus near the river Terek, between Alania and Tsanaria. The Sarban tribe in the Caucasus in the 10th century was also recorded by an Arab geographer.

Migration of White Serbs to the Balkans
According to De Administrando Imperio, written by the Byzantine emperor Constantine VII (912-959), the Serbs originated from the "White Serbs" who lived on the "other side of Turkey" (name used for Hungary), in the area that they called "Boiki" (Bohemia). White Serbia bordered to the Franks and White Croatia. DAI claims that after two brothers inherited the rule from their father, one of them took half of the people and migrated to the Byzantine Empire (i.e. to the Balkans), which was governed by Emperor Heraclius (610–641). According to German historian Ludwig Albrecht Gebhardi, the two brothers were sons of Dervan, the dux (duke) of the Surbi (Sorbs). Another part of the White Serbs did not migrate southwards, but remained in the Elbe region. Descendants of these White Serbs are the present day Lusatian Serbs (Sorbs), who still live in the Lusatia (Lužica, Lausitz) region of eastern Germany. There are also opinions that data from "De administrando imperio" that describes Serb migration to the Balkans is not correct and that Serbs came to the Balkans from Eastern Slavic lands, together with other South Slavs.

In the Balkans, Serbs settled first an area near Thessaloniki and then area around rivers Tara, Ibar, Drina and Lim (in the present-day border region of Serbia, Montenegro and Bosnia and Herzegovina), and joined with surrounding South Slavic tribes that came to the Balkans earlier (in the 6th century) and the Byzantine population consisting from different people and tribes. Over time, the South Slavic mixed with the Serbs and also adopted Serb name as their own.

The Emperor Constantine III (641) transferred a part of the Slavs from the Balkans (Vardar region) to Asia Minor. There these migrants founded the city of Gordoservon, the name of which gives grounds for supposing that among its founders there were Serbs, and was also known under names Gordoserbon and Servochoria.

Iranian theory
Theory about Iranian origin of the Serb ethnonym assumes that ancient Serbi / Serboi from north Caucasus (Asiatic Sarmatia) were a Sarmatian (Alanian) tribe. The theory subsequently assumes that Alanian Serbi were subdued by the Huns in the 4th century and that they, as part of the Hunnic army, migrated to the western edge of the Hunnic Empire (in the area of Central Europe near the river Elbe, later designated as White Serbia in what is now Saxony and Thuringia (eastern Germany), recorded by Vibius Sequester as Cervetiis (Servetiis). After the Hunnic leader Attila died (in 453), Alanian Serbi presumably became independent and ruled in the east of the river Saale (in modern-day Germany) over the local Slavic population. Over time, they, it is argued, intermarried with the local Slavic population of the region,  adopted Slavic language, and transferred their name to the Slavs.  According to Tadeusz Sulimirski, similar event could occur in the Balkans Serbia, settled by Slavs who came from the north and who were ruled by already slavicized Serboi.

Deformed human skulls that are connected to the Alans are also discovered in the area that was later designated as "White Serbia". According to Indo-European interpretation, different sides of the World are designated with different colors, thus, white color is a designation for the west, black color for the north, blue or green color for the east and red color for the south. According to that view, White Serbia and White Croatia were designated as western Serbia and western Croatia, and were situated in the west from some hypothetical lands that had same names and that presumably existed in the east.

Autochthonic theory
This theory assumes that Serbs are an autochthonic people in the Balkans and Podunavlje, where they presumably lived before historical Slavic and Serb migration to the Balkans in the 6th–7th centuries. Proponents of this theory (for example Jovan I. Deretić, Olga Luković Pjanović, Miloš Milojević) claimed that Serbs either came to the Balkans long before the 7th century or Serb 7th-century migration to the Balkans was only partial and Serbs who, according to De Administrando Imperio, came from the north found in the Balkans other Serbs that already lived there. It is suggested that the ancient city of Serbinum in Pannonia was named after these hypothetical autochthonic Serbs. In mainstream historiography, this is considered to be a fringe theory, and the methods used by its proponents are considered pseudoscientific.

Proto-Slavic theory

 * Sporoi (Σπόροι) was according to Eastern Roman scholar Procopius (500–560) the old name of the Antae and Sclaveni, two Early Slavic branches. Procopius stated that the Sclavenes and Antes spoke the same language, but did not trace their common origin back to the Venethi but to a people he called "Sporoi". He derived the name to Greek σπείρω ("I scatter grain"), because "they populated the land with scattered settlements". According to Bohemian historian Josef Dobrovský (1753–1829) and Slovak historian Pavel Jozef Šafárik (1795–1861) it was a corruption of Srbi (Serbs). Šafárik deemed that it was the oldest generic name of the Slavs.
 * In the mid-9th century the so-called Bavarian Geographer wrote that people named Zeriuani had so large kingdom that all Slavic peoples originated from there (or from them). According to one of interpretations, Zeriuani are identified with Serbs, and there are opinions that "Serbs" was an old name of all Slavic peoples. However, according to other opinions, Zeriuani might be a name used for Severians or Sarmatians instead for Serbs.

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Health effect

Health effects (or health impacts) are changes in health resulting from exposure to a source. Health effects are an important consideration in many areas, such as hygiene, pollution studies, occupational safety and health, ([nutrition]) and health sciences in general. Some of the major environmental sources of health effects are air pollution, water pollution, soil contamination, noise pollution and over-illumination.

A non-stochastic or deterministic health effect has a severity that is dependent on dose and is believed to have a threshold level for which no effect is seen. Stochastic health effects occur by chance, generally occurring without a threshold level of dose, whose probability is proportional to the dose and whose severity is independent of the dose, such as cancer and genetic effects. Occasionally, lack of exposure to certain effectors has detrimental consequences on an individual's health. Examples of such effectors include sunlight and exercise.

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Herreys

Herreys, sometimes Herrey's or Herrey, is a Swedish pop group, consisting of the three brothers Per Herrey (born 9 August 1958), Richard Herrey (born 19 August 1964), and Louis Herrey (born 3 November 1966). They won the Eurovision Song Contest 1984 with the song "Diggi-Loo Diggi-Ley". Richard and Louis Herrey became the first teenage males to win Eurovision and remain the youngest-ever male winners, being 19 years and 260 days and 17 years and 184 days of age, respectively. In 1985, they won the Sopot International Song Festival with "Sommarparty". At the time of their Eurovision win, the brothers were living and working as singers in Cleveland, Ohio, United States. Herreys continued to record and tour for a few years, but had no hits of the same magnitude as the Eurovision winner. They were the first European boyband preceding the international boom a few years later. Herreys was the bestselling pop group in Sweden in the 1980s, and enjoyed enormous success touring and performing in excess of 300 live shows.

The three brothers reunited to perform "Diggi-Loo Diggi-Ley" in the intermission of one of the Swedish Melodifestivalen semifinals of 2002. Richard Herrey made an appearance at Congratulations, a 50th anniversary concert, held in Copenhagen, Denmark in October 2005. In February 2006, Richard Herrey released his first solo album, Jag e Kung. They performed at Eurovision Song Contest's Greatest Hits, the 60th anniversary show in 2015, and also at the end of the second semi-final of the Eurovision Song Contest 2024 in Malmö, Sweden.

Albums

 * 1984: Diggi Loo, Diggi Ley
 * 1985: Crazy People
 * 1985: Not Funny
 * 1986: Different I's
 * 1987: Live in Tivoli
 * 1994: Där vindarna möts
 * 1995: Herreys Story
 * 2002: Gyllene Hits
 * 2010: The Greatest Hits

Singles

 * "Crazy people" / "I'm so sorry"
 * "You" / "I see the love"
 * "Kall som is" / "Mirror mirror"
 * (#18 in Sweden) (1984)
 * "Diggi-Loo-Diggi-Ley" (1984)
 * (#2 in Sweden, #3 in Belgium, #4 in Finland, #5 in the Netherlands and Norway, #10 in Switzerland, #11 in Germany, #18 in Denmark, #46 in UK)
 * "People say it's in the air" / "I'm so sorry"
 * "Varje liten droppe regn" (EP)
 * (#11 in Sweden)
 * "People from Ibiza" / "Sommarparty"
 * (#20 in Sweden)
 * "Din telefon" / "Why Why"
 * "Chinese Temptation" / "Sweet Love"
 * "Freedom" / "Little Pretty Girl"
 * "Min ensamma vrå" / "Livet i dig"
 * "Öppna dina ögon" / "Hanna"
 * "Här vill jag leva" / "Hon ger dig allt"

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Bentheim-Limburg

Bentheim-Limburg was a short-lived County of the Holy Roman Empire, created as a partition of Bentheim-Steinfurt in 1606. It was remerged to Bentheim-Steinfurt in 1632.

Count of Bentheim-Limburg (1606–1632)

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Bentheim-Alpen

Bentheim-Alpen was a short-lived County of the Holy Roman Empire, created as a partition of Bentheim-Steinfurt in 1606. It was later merged into Bentheim-Steinfurt in 1629.

Count of Bentheim-Alpen (1606 - 1629)

 * Frederick Ludolph (1606 - 1629)

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Central Huron

Central Huron is a township in western Ontario, Canada, in Huron County. It is situated on Lake Huron between the Maitland River and the Bayfield River.

History
The Municipality of Central Huron was formed on January 1, 2001, when the Town of Clinton, the Townships of Hullett and Goderich were amalgamated.

Communities
The municipality of Central Huron comprises a number of villages and hamlets, including the following communities:

 * Former Goderich Township: - Blue Water Beach, Clinton, Holmesville, Porter's Hill, Summerhill
 * Former Hullett Township: - Auburn, Blyth, Clinton, Harlock, Kinburn, Londesborough, Summerhill

 * Notes:

Demographics
In the 2021 Census of Population conducted by Statistics Canada, Central Huron had a population of $7,799$ living in $3,267$ of its $3,917$ total private dwellings, a change of NaN% from its 2016 population of $7,576$. With a land area of 449.43 km2, it had a population density of in 2021.

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Skryne

Skryne or Skreen (, or originally called The Hill of Acaill) is a village in County Meath, Ireland. On and around a hill between the N2 and N3 roads, it is 10 km south-east of the centre of Navan and 35 km north-west of the centre of Dublin. The village is on the far side of the Gabhra valley from the Hill of Tara (this valley is sometimes referred to as the Tara-Skryne Valley). The Hill of Skryne is higher than the neighbouring Hill of Tara. Skreen gives its name to the surrounding barony, civil parish and townland.

About 1170 Hugh de Lacy, Lord of Meath granted Skryne to Adam de Feypo, whose descendants used the customary title Baron Skryne, which was not a peerage in the strict sense. A 15th-century church, known locally as Skryne tower or The Steeple, remains in good condition at the top of the hill and is visible from a large area of Meath. At the foot of the tower is a pub and stables that feature in the Guinness "white Christmas" television advertisement.

Sport
The local Gaelic football club, Skryne GFC, is one of the most successful in Meath Senior Football Championship history and have never been relegated from senior level in the Keegan Cup. The club also has had at least one player on every Meath team that has won the All-Ireland Senior Football Championship. They have been county champions on thirteen occasions, most recently in 2010, when they defeated Seneschalstown in the final, coming back four times from Seneschalstown goals to win by 0–21 to 4–8.

Notable people

 * Matthew Corbally (1797-1870), leading politician and MP for County Meath; he and his wife are buried in the vault of Skryne church.
 * Agnetha Ní Máelshechlainn was Abbess of the St Mary's Augustinian Abbey, Clonard during the Anglo-Norman invasion of Ireland and ensured the church remained in church hands when Skryne was granted to Adam de Feypo.
 * William Skrene (died 1421), Chief Baron of the Irish Exchequer 1395–7, came from a family which derived its name from Skryne, though they later lived in Dundalk.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/7 Colored Fish

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete --Allen3 talk 11:46, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

7 Colored Fish
This may as well stand for all the pages I nominated yesterday, for the following reasons:
 * 1) The cards that these are written about are hardly notable. Many are not even famous within the Yu-Gi-Oh! community.
 * 2) The old "if every card had an article..." line holds true here.
 * 3) These articles have all been created by the same IP address. If several people made them, I could possibly accept it, but this person (or small group) have created all of these short, uninformative articles.
 * 4) The XYZ Series already has its own article, so the following pages may as well be merged with it:
 * 5) *X-Head Cannon
 * 6) *XY-Dragon Cannon
 * 7) *XYZ-Dragon Cannon
 * 8) *XZ-Tank Cannon
 * 9) *Y-Dragon Head
 * 10) *YZ-Tank Dragon
 * 11) *Z-Metal Tank
 * 12) An article already exists for each set, so we could always merge some of the more useful content into those articles, eg 7 Colored Fish into Metal Raiders.
 * 13) The creator appears to be somewhat biased towards WATER- and FIRE-type monsters. If these articles remain, there should at least be an even spread over the wide variety cards that could possess their own article.
 * 14) And finally, is it likely that Yu-Gi-Oh! fans will come to an encyclopedia of all places to find information on individual cards? If they are, should we begin reviewing cards? This appears to be the direction in which we are heading, if we do not act.

I made those articles and I am willing to talk about the problem. Maybe we could work things out so it benefits both of us.

Talk then; I have laid out my point of view. And you should really create an account if you embark on such a courageous project. Setokaiba 07:30, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Your idea about reviewing cards would be interesting.

 Setokaiba 17:59, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hey, why don't we start reviewing cards?

 * Strong delete for this, and all other individual weapons in Yu-Gi-Oh (or any other anime) that have their own articles. It's fancruft, I tell you. --Idont Havaname 3 July 2005 03:56 (UTC)

 * Delete Whilst I regularly contribute to Yu-Gi-Oh!-related entries on Wikipedia, this card is neither important OR contributed majorly to any storyline. DrachenFyre July 4, 2005 18:49 (UTC)

 * Delete --R OY  YO Я 8 July 2005 04:31 (UTC)
 * Delete non notable fancruft. JamesBurns 09:30, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete: Non-notable fancruft. I dunno how Yu-Gi-Oh! cards work, but if this thing belongs in any sort of series of cards, can't you just merge it in?  Individual cards do NOT need their own articles. --  CABHAN   TALK   CONTRIBS  13:48, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete unless someone wants to start WikiProject Duel Monsters to go with WikiProject Pokédex. That probably wouldn't work because there are over 1000 Duel Monsters cards and only 386 Pokemon.--pile0nadestalk 23:32, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Actually, that's not a bad idea. DrachenFyre 01:01, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete Wikipedia is neither a TCG card database nor a place for card reviews. Only cards that contribute majorly to the Yu-Gi-Oh! storyline deserve their own articles. Riddle | Talk 07:22, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete individual cards are not notable.  Grue  19:13, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Simple Network Paging Protocol

Simple Network Paging Protocol (SNPP) is a protocol that defines a method by which a pager can receive a message over the Internet. It is supported by most major paging providers, and serves as an alternative to the paging modems used by many telecommunications services. The protocol was most recently described in. It is a fairly simple protocol that may run over TCP port 444 and sends out a page using only a handful of well-documented commands.

Connecting and using SNPP servers
It is relatively easy to connect to a SNPP server only requiring a telnet client and the address of the SNPP server. The port 444 is standard for SNPP servers, and it is free to use from the sender's point of view. Maximum message length can be carrier-dependent. Once connected, a user can simply enter the commands to send a message to a pager connected to that network. For example, you could then issue the PAGE command with the number of the device to which you wish to send the message. After that issue the MESS command with the text of the message you wish to send following it. You can then issue the SEND command to send out the message to the pager and then QUIT, or send another message to a different device. The protocol also allows you to issue multiple PAGE commands, stacking them one after the other, per message effectively allowing you to send the same message to several devices on that network with one MESS and SEND command pair.

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