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History of Manchester United F.C. (1878–1945)

Manchester United Football Club was formed in 1878 as Newton Heath LYR Football Club by the Carriage and Wagon department of the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway depot at Newton Heath. The team initially played games against other departments and rail companies at their home ground at North Road, but by 1888 the club had become a founding member of The Combination, a regional football league. However, following the league's dissolution before the end of its first season, Newton Heath joined the newly formed Football Alliance, which ran for three seasons before being merged with The Football League. This resulted in the club starting the 1892–93 season in the First Division, by which time it had become independent of the rail company, dropped the "LYR" from its name and moved to a new ground at Bank Street. After just two seasons, the club was relegated to the Second Division.

In January 1902, with debts of £2,670 – equivalent to £0 in 2024 – the club was served with a winding-up order. Captain Harry Stafford found four local businessmen – including John Henry Davies, who became club president – each willing to invest £500 in return for a direct interest in running the club. As a mark of this fresh start, on 24 April 1902, the club's name was changed to "Manchester United". Under Ernest Mangnall, who became club secretary in 1903, the team finished as Second Division runners-up in 1906 and secured promotion to the First Division, which it won in 1908 – the club's first league title. The following season began with victory in the first ever Charity Shield and ended with the club's first FA Cup trophy. Manchester United moved to a new stadium at Old Trafford in 1910, and won the First Division for the second time in 1911, but at the end of the following season, secretary Mangnall left to join Manchester City.

In 1922, three years after the resumption of football following the First World War, the club was relegated to the Second Division, where it remained until regaining promotion in 1925. Relegated again in 1931, Manchester United became a yo-yo club, achieving its all-time lowest position of 20th place in the Second Division in 1934. Following the death of John Henry Davies in October 1927, the club's finances deteriorated to the extent that Manchester United would likely have gone bankrupt had it not been for an investment of £2,000 in December 1931 by James W. Gibson, who assumed control of the club. In the 1938–39 season – the last year of football before the Second World War – the club finished 14th in the First Division. During the war, the club participated in the Wartime League and the Football League War Cup, but in 1941, Old Trafford was damaged by German bombs and would not be fully repaired until 1949.

Early years: 1878–87
In 1878 the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Company granted permission for the employees of its Carriage and Wagon department to start a football team, which was subsequently named Newton Heath LYR, with Frederick Attock appointed as this new club's president. LYR stood for "Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway" and was used to distinguish the team from their colleagues from the Motive Power Division, who were known as Newton Heath Loco. The team was funded by the railway company, who paid the lease on its first home ground, a field close to the railway yard on North Road. It is said that the players were "tough, diligent men who formed a powerful side"; they initially played games against other teams of railway workers, very few of which were recorded. During the 1882–83 season, the team played a total of 26 recorded friendly matches, and the following season competed in the Lancashire Cup but lost 7–2 in the first round to the reserve team of Blackburn Olympic. In 1884, Newton Heath LYR applied for the Manchester and District Challenge Cup and reached the final, which they lost 3–0 to Hurst at Whalley Range. The team never failed to score at least three goals in each of the rounds leading up to the final, including in a first round match against Eccles that had to be replayed after the Eccles management protested about Newton Heath's third goal.

Newton Heath reached the final of the Manchester and District Challenge Cup a further five times, winning all but one. Meanwhile, in 1886, the club began to expand by signing players of national reputation such as Jack Powell, who became club captain, Jack and Roger Doughty, and Tom Burke. In 1886–87 the club entered the FA Cup for the first time and were drawn away to Fleetwood Rangers in the first round; they managed to earn a 2–2 but when club captain Jack Powell refused to play a period of extra time, Fleetwood were awarded the tie. A subsequent unsuccessful protest to the Football Association led to Newton Heath LYR entering a self-imposed exile from the FA Cup, which lasted until 1889.

League football: 1888–99
In 1888, having been spurned by the newly formed the Football League, Newton Heath entered their first ever league competition, becoming founder members of The Combination. In April 1889, The Combination hit financial difficulties and was wound up before the season could be completed.

In 1890, after an unsuccessful application (they received only one vote) to join the Football League, Newton Heath and 11 other clubs not in the League formed an organisation known as the Football Alliance, in which they finished eighth in the first season. After three further applications, the club joined the Football League when it merged with the Football Alliance in 1892 and Newton Heath was elected to the First Division. In their final season in the Football Alliance, the club finished second to Nottingham Forest, who joined them in the First Division. By this time, the club had severed its formal ties with the railway company and had dropped the "LYR" from their name, although most players were still employees of the railway company. The club had also become a limited company, raising £2,000 of share capital (at £1 each) via an application form which was returned to club secretary A.H.Albut, the club's first full-time official, who also assumed managerial duties.

In their first season in the Football League, Newton Heath finished in last place and retained their First Division status by virtue of a win against Second Division champions Small Heath in a test match. In 1893, the team moved to a new ground in Bank Street, Clayton, next to a chemical plant. It was said that when Newton Heath were losing, the plant would belch out acrid fumes in a bid to affect the visiting team. The 1893–94 campaign, however, was no better, and they once again were in the play-offs against Second Division champions Liverpool. This time, Newton Heath were defeated 2–0 and were relegated to the Second Division.

On 9 March 1895, the manager of visiting Walsall Town Swifts registered an official complaint against the state of the pitch; "drab expanses of wet sand, tufted sparsely with grass". The game went ahead and Newton Heath beat Walsall Town 14–0, the largest unofficial margin of victory in the club's history, but the result was declared null and void. In 1897, the club made the play-offs but failed to make back into the First Division.

Financial problems: 1900–02
They managed only 10th place in the 1901 season, losing more games than they won and with ticket sales flagging and debts mounting, the club decided to hold a four-day bazaar to raise money at St James Hall, Manchester. According to legend, one of the attractions was club captain Harry Stafford's St. Bernard dog, Major, who escaped with a collection tin on one of the nights after the bazaar had closed. Major then found his way to local brewer John Henry Davies, whose daughter became so smitten with it that he enquired about the origin of the tin, and in doing so saved the club.

On 9 January 1902, Club President William Healey applied to the court for a winding-up order against the club, claiming he was owed £242 17s. 10d.

On Monday, 13 January 1902, the Manchester Guardian reported:

"Attention was directed to the Second League by the unusual experience of Newton Heath. The club is financially in a bad way. A winding up order to meet a debt of £242 precipitated matters last week and no arrangements could be made for playing the game fixed for Saturday. One hears that a new club will be formed out of the ashes of the old one, but this has not been decided definitely."

Newton Heath were revived in time to play their next fixture on Saturday 18 January 1902.

It was the escape and recapturing of the dog which led to the meeting between team captain Harry Stafford and Davies, heading a group of three other investors. Together, they came up with £2,000 to save the club.

John Henry Davies became the club president, and on 26 April 1902, given that the team was no longer based in Newton Heath, the new owners renamed the club Manchester United Football Club, after considering the alternative names "Manchester Celtic" and "Manchester Central". The former was considered because a significant number of the individuals who established Newton Heath were Irish immigrants who had relocated to Manchester to obtain employment in the railway industry. They also changed the team's colours to red and white.

Having been saved from liquidation by four wealthy businessmen, the club played its first season as Manchester United in 1902–03. The badly needed injection of cash, plus some new players, gave the flagging side the boost it needed. They won 15 league games, notched up 38 points, and finished fifth.

Change of fortune: 1903–18
After a bad start to the season, the club took another important step in 1903 in hiring their first real team manager, Ernest Mangnall, a charismatic publicist who knew how to work the media. Under his leadership, the team finished third in the Second Division. The following season, Manchester United set a record when they went 18 games undefeated after losing to Bolton 2–0 in September 1904 up until they lost to Lincoln City 3–0 in February 1905. During the season they finished 3rd with 53 points. Off the field the club suffered a financial setback when they were banned from selling alcohol inside the ground, although under the ownership of Davies they at least had solid financial backing.

Mangnall created United's first successful side with a series of signings, eventually winning promotion in 1906. They finished second overall and reached the quarter-finals of the FA Cup, beating holders Aston Villa (one of the most successful English teams of that era) 5–1 in the fifth round. Among these signings was Billy Meredith, a legendary winger who is regarded by many as the greatest player of that era.

Ernest Mangnall managed to sign star defender Herbert Burgess, Alec "Sandy" Turnbull, and Jimmy Bannister after a scandal hit Manchester City and forced them to sell off most of their team. It paid off, and Manchester United won their first League Championship in 1908. They even attempted to sign Australian rugby footballer, Dally Messenger, a man recognised by some to be the top footballer of any code in his day. The next year, FA Cup success would follow as they beat Bristol City in the final 1–0. Sandy Turnbull scored the only goal and Billy Meredith was named man of the match.

In 1908, John Henry Davies once again gave financial aid by lending £60,000, a huge sum at the time, to finalise the team's move to a new stadium at Old Trafford. They played their first game there on 19 February 1910 as Liverpool spoiled the celebrations with a 4–3 win in a close game. United finished that season fifth in the league.

Ernest Mangnall's leadership brought United to their first successful era. They would be the first winners of the Charity Shield in 1908, and the League again in 1911 pipping Aston Villa on a tense last day of the season. The historic Charity Shield victory in 1911 would be the end of this era and Mangnall would leave the next year for Manchester City.

Manchester United players, in particular, Charlie Roberts and Billy Meredith, were instrumental in forming the Association of Football Players' and Trainers' Union (the AFPTU) (which the press called the Players' Union) in December 1907, the second attempt to unionize players. The Players Union is today the Professional Footballers' Association. When the Football Association threatened members of the Union with suspension before the start of the 1909–10 season, Manchester United players refused to relinquish their Union membership, and referred to themselves as "The Outcasts". A compromise was reached between the Football Association and the Union before the start of that season which allowed players to be Union members.

Without Mangnall, the club stumbled to 13th place in 1912. Attendances slumped to 15,000 and the squad started to age under the leadership of J.J. Bentley. They narrowly escaped relegation in 1914–15 by one point; three of United's players were later found to have conspired with Liverpool players in fixing a United win in the match between the sides, in the 1915 British football betting scandal. The United players were found guilty of match fixing and banned for life.

The Football League was suspended at the outbreak of the First World War, during which Sandy Turnbull was killed in France. On 28 December 1914, Jack Robson was appointed as the club's first official manager; previously, the club secretary had been responsible for the majority of matters relating to the playing of the game. Mangnall's position as secretary was first filled by T.J. Wallworth, then by Bentley, under whom Robson worked. No football was played during the war, which meant that the club was not generating any revenue, but the club had to continue to pay for the running of Old Trafford, and as such the financial situation worsened. Bentley died in September 1918, two months before the end of the war and a year before the resumption of league football.

Inter-war years: 1919–38
At the end of the 1921–22 season, Manchester United were relegated to the Second Division, having won only eight games. United finally returned to the top flight under John Chapman in 1925, finishing second to Leicester City. In October 1927, John Henry Davies, who had saved the club from extinction and brought them to Old Trafford, died and was replaced by G.H. Lawton as club president. On 7 October 1926, the Football Association announced that Chapman had been suspended from "taking part in football or football management" during the 1926–27 season "For improper conduct in his position as Secretary-Manager of the Manchester United Football Club" and was replaced for the rest of the season by experienced player Lal Hilditch.

A new manager, Herbert Bamlett was installed, but the club never finished higher than 12th in 1929 and finally finishing bottom of the First Division in 1931 after starting the season losing twelve times in a row. The finances were once again in a mess, and the much criticised Herbert Bamlett resigned. Secretary Walter Crickmer was given control of the team for the next season, and was aided by chief scout Louis Rocca, largely because the club couldn't afford a new manager. The players had gone to collect their wages just before Christmas and were told there was no money available. Another financial bailout was needed. They managed to finish mid table in the Second Division in 1931–32, despite losing 7–0 at Wolverhampton Wanderers on Boxing Day 1931, but with the club's finances precarious it seemed possible that the club could go out of business.

A new investor, James W. Gibson, arrived in December 1931. He was approached by a Manchester sportswriter, Stacey Lintott. He met with the board and offered to help on condition that he became chairman and could choose his directors. They had little choice but to agree, and Gibson invested £30,000 into the club. A new manager was found, Scott Duncan, one of the new breed of managers who were retired players, now common, but an innovation in those days.

In 1934, United reached their lowest ever league position. On the final day of the season they were placed second-last in the table with their final match away against Millwall, who were one point ahead. With destiny in their own hands, they beat Millwall 2–0 and stayed in the Second Division by one point, sending their South London hosts down.

The next season saw an improvement with the side winning ten out of eleven games during October and November 1934. It seemed things were back on track and the fans started to flock back to Old Trafford as United finished fifth, just falling short of promotion. After five years in the Second Division, they finished champions in 1936 after being unbeaten in the last 19 games of the season and were promoted back to the First Division. The title was won with a 3–2 victory at Bury, where over 31,000 fans invaded the pitch to celebrate a return to the big time.

Their joy was short-lived, however, as they were relegated back to the Second Division the next season. Scott Duncan resigned, and Crickmer resumed the manager's chair. Although now £70,000 in debt, United picked themselves up and finished runners-up in 1938, returning to the First Division, with future stars such as Johnny Carey, Jack Rowley and Stan Pearson. They would stay there for 36 years; after finishing 14th the next season, World War II broke out.

World War II: 1939–45
Upon the outbreak of the Second World War in September 1939, association football was effectively frozen, and Old Trafford was requisitioned by the military to be used as a depot. Football continued to be played at the stadium, but a German bombing raid on Trafford Park on 22 December 1940 damaged the stadium to the extent that a Christmas Day fixture against Stockport County had to be switched to Stockport's ground. Football resumed at Old Trafford on 8 March 1941, but another German raid three days later destroyed much of the stadium, notably the main stand (now the South Stand), forcing the club's operations to move to Cornbrook Cold Storage, owned by United chairman James W. Gibson. After pressure from Gibson, the War Damage Commission granted Manchester United £4,800 to remove the debris and £17,478 to rebuild the stands, although rebuilding work did not resume until after the war ended in 1945. During the reconstruction of the stadium, Manchester United played their "home" games at Maine Road, the home of Manchester City, at a cost of £5,000 a year plus a percentage of the gate receipts.


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Talk:Shine On You Crazy Diamond

shine
Barret hear shine on you crazy diamonds ,not wish you were here —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.254.248.81 (talk) 23:17, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

length
i think the first part lasts 13 minutes and 30 seconds, not 34. 13 and 34 is for a live version of the first part.

OMGWTFBBQ
"The last section (coda), 'Part IX', is introduced by a synth pedal point, which grows in volume as the previous goove dissipates. A slow 4/4 funeral march (9:08) becomes the parting musical eulogy to Syd."

I DIDN'T MEAN SYD DIED OMG! I meant it was thought of as a kind-of funeral dirge. Also, I was wrong... It's in Four. I think I used to play this part in three-four maybe. My mistake. 131.247.98.123

My viynl version says part 5 was (gilmour waters wright)not (waters)

Interesting. Which country is your vinyl version from? My UK vinyl copy credits Waters for part V and Wright for part IX as does the original, official songbook.NH78.147.104.165 (talk) 18:23, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Speaking of which... did you know the original Canadian edition of the LP just says "all lyrics by Roger Waters" on the innersleeve, and has no other composition credits on the label or cover? I'm not sure that's significant enough for the article, but at least it's here now on the talk page. I've seen this discussion before, and went to check my copy, but then remembered mine doesn't have credits. It's possible early copies of the album had mixed-up credits in various countries. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 01:55, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Take It From There
The article states Syd's theme came from a BBC program, "Take it from there". I think the program referred to is probably Take It From Here, a 1950s BBC radio comedy program, which always started with a four equal-duration-note motif played on glockenspiel that does indeed have similar (not identical) melodic shape and roughly the same rhythmic shape and speed. That said, can someone find more reliable documentary evidence for the assertion? --RobertG ♬ talk 16:27, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I believe that is from the Echoes FAQ, the most reliable Pink Floyd FAQ on the web. Hang on. I'm No Parking and I approved this message 19:29, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

The FAQ says it is called "Take it from Here", so I guess that it's inaccurate on that point. I'm No Parking and I approved this message Grrr...

The link above gives the answer. - Sasuke Sarutobi 00:29, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Laughter at 08:48
Does anyone know whether this is Syd laughing or not? It sounds vaguely similar to the laughter on The Dark Side of the Moon, but I'm not sure. -- Sasuke Sarutobi 00:13, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Wouldn't that be awesome? But it's almost certaintly not true. In his last studio appearance, Syd couldn't be bothered to bring a guitar that had strings on it, so I can't see him laughing on cue into the mike. Nor do I think Syd had much laughter in him by 1974. Plus, Syd was a baritone, with a rather nasal tone, and this chuckle sounds very tenor and breathy. I would bet it's Gilmour -- or else, as you indicated, Roger The Hat from "On The Run". Finally, I think Waters or Gilmour would have revealed such a startling tidbit by now. So, no. But damn, that would be cool.  --63.25.113.207 16:44, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Title
Well, okay, now it's "Shine on", so someone should go through the article and change it accordingly. Personally, I think the article should have the "O" capitalized as it makes more sense, but if wiki-rules are to the contrary then whatever... -albrozdude 03:07, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

The "O" in "On" should be capitalized. The rules of capitalizing in titles indicate that articles, prepositions and conjunctions should not be capitalized. As you can see from my Wiktionary link above, "On" is not functioning as a preposition here, but as an adverb modifying the verb "Shine". It should be moved back. - dharmabum 20:35, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Composers for the various parts of the song?
Where does this information come from (eg. crediting Waters alone for Pt. V)? The only authoritative sources I can find for the composition is "Waters, Gilmour, Wright" for all 9 parts. - dharmabum 06:54, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

It comes from the credits on the actual record label of the original LP AND the original songbook. Waters wrote part v and Wright wrote part IX.NH89.240.228.50 (talk) 02:25, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup
Having just finished reading this article, the first section reads as if it was written disjointly by many sources... because it was! I'd like to see a unified voice for this section. I don't have time right now to clean it up by myself, but I'll get to it over the next few days if someone else doesn't beat me to it. — X S  G  17:33, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I reorganized the information. From my point of view, problem wasn't that it read "as if it was written disjointly by many sources", but rather there was too much information under the 'Recording' section that didn't belong there. I moved the last paragraph to the introduction of the article (it's about the song and what's behind it, as a theme, and not about recording details), moved the information about the 'Part 1'/'Part 2' nomenclature to 'Trivia', and moved the "Two different edited versions of the composition have appeared on compilation albums." line to 'Edited versions' to pose as an intro to this section (which I also subsectioned for each of the compilations). Hope it's a good cleanup—I think it is, so I removed the cleanup template. —Rotring 17:31, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I reread the whole article and, apart from the section that was marked for cleanup, there might still be some cleanup base. Info about live performances is replicated, both on the song "analysis" by parts and on the live performances section; maybe maintain only the latter? —Rotring 17:42, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

4/4 Time in Part V . . . Really?
From the description of Part V: "After, a time signature switch from 6/8 to common time (4/4) gives the appearance that the the tempo speeds up the saxophone . . . ."

Time signatures can be arbitrary. You can call the faster section of Part V 4/4, if you like. . . but if you transcribed that section, you'd be putting little "3"s over all the eighth notes, because they're all triplets. Which is my sarcastic way of saying, this section is not in 4/4 time! Rather, the tempo has exactly doubled, where an eighth note at the new tempo is equivalent to a sixteenth note at the old tempo. That's why the arpeggio guitar part, unchanged, fits both tempos. It's in 12/8, or 6/8 if you want twice as many bar lines, but it ain't in 4/4. --63.25.113.207 17:00, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

It's 12/8 rather than 6/8, I think. Listen to Part III of the song and discover that it is a variation on a twelve-bar blues (with the final bar extended by 2 extra beats). 81.154.54.195 15:52, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Ah - I've figured it out... Yes, the time signature changes - from 12/8 to 12/16!!! This way that circling guitar riff plays in semiquavers/sixteenth-notes throughout the section. By the time you read this I will already have corrected the time signatures throughout the article to match this. --The guy with the axe - aaaaaaargh!!! 20:04, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Sorry, that's not the case either. The main part of the song is 6/4 and the solo bit is 12/8. BotleySmith 22:38, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

 * I don't know why I didn't get round to saying this before, but BotleySmith I haven't a clue what you're talking about. However, your solution is OK, I guess.  So I'm not about to change it back.  --The guy with the axe - aaaaaaargh!!! 17:02, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

As you say, the arpeggio's don't change but underlying beat does. Using twelve 8th notes for the repeating arpeggio (and for a measure), it seems to start with one beat for every two (or six or twelve) 8th notes (which makes 6/4) and change to 1 beat for every three 8th notes (4/4 with 8th note triplets) without changing the duration of the 8th notes. It clearly goes from 3/4 to 4/4 (but I'm not sure it would be good to transcribe it that way). In part VIII the arpeggio is extended slightly to fit into a 4/4 measure as 16th notes. (beautiful, isn't it!). lifeform (talk) 02:00, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

 * The original poster is correct. This part of the song is not in 4/4. It's in 12/8.
 * The sheet music book transcribes the main of the song in 3/4, and does not transcribe this section at all. (Seriously. It would have you believe that "Part V" ends on a sustained chorus of "Shine!") Musicologist Phil Rose's "Which One's Pink" describes the main of the song in 6/4, switching to 12/8. This makes the most sense.
 * To notate the seemingly-faster section in 4/4 would, as the original poster indicated, require measure after measure of forced, artificial triplets. It's precisely for music like this that the time signature of 12/8 was created. 12/8 is a time signature that feels like 4/4 but with strong, unyielding triplets. One sign that it is not in 4/4 is, there are no "straight" eighth notes.
 * . . . Okay, so I am the original poster, but that doesn't change my point!
 * And by the way, you are correct about Part VIII; the arpeggioes are "extended" (well put!) into a true 4/4.
 * --Ben Culture (talk) 14:19, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Pink Floyd Funk
This might seem a bit weird to some people, but doesn't Part 8 of "Shine On..." bear an odd resemblence to P-Funk? When I say P-Funk, I mean the style of funk that Parliament pioneered. Now there have been numerous other times that Pink Floyd have incorporated a few influences of funk music in their sound (like in "Echoes"), but to me, Part 8 definitely reminds me of something I might have heard on Mothership Connection with its "groovy" bassline and high-pitched synthesizer riff. I know the striking similarity is purely coincidental, because Wish You Were Here and Mothership Connection were both made in 1975, but I find Part 8 quite out of place with the rest of "Shine On..." because, like I said, it sounds exactly like something Dr. Dre would have sampled! Does anybody else notice this?71.183.84.74 23:58, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Wright was quite a fan of Miles Davis and other jazz virtuosi, perhaps he picked up one or two licks from them. Waters and Mason naturally played very funky owing to the wide downbeat they created (with Roger playing quite far ahead of the beat and Nick lagging behind ever so slightly). Check out the "Funky Dung" part of "Atom Heart Mother Suite" for a good example. BotleySmith 22:47, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

 * I would be very interested to hear a remix that omits this section entirely, with the last chorus of "Shine!" overlaid on the first chord of Rick Wright's "Part IX", which is so often sadly omitted from live performance, remixes, documentaries, etc.!
 * --Ben Culture (talk) 14:49, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

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Parts I-V
According to the tablature book "Wish you were here" the first five parts are not correct..

The last part (the guitar solo) of Part I should be Part II instead, and the following parts should all increase by one, making the four note pattern including the second solo Part III, the following Part IV and the vocal part should be merged with Part V.

80.162.185.210 11:46, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Part two begins with the 4 note pattern. Part three begins with the horn-like keyboards, part 4 with the vocals, and part 5 with the sax solo. Tablatures are not always reliable and are usually not written or based upon the band members own interpretations. - Floydian (talk) 20:16, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

 * So . . . What, you simply refute the sheet-music book? I agree there can be errors (the original Dark Side of the Moon book did not notate "Money" in 7/4; instead it put 3/4 and 4/4 side-by-side where the time signature goes. But then, that's better than notating it in 7/8, as David Gilmour has wrongly described it), but you're making some very clear statements, so what's your source?
 * The original sheet-music book is designed by Hipgnosis. Perhaps you've heard of them? They had a direct working relationship with the members of Pink Floyd.
 * The original poster is correct (and our article isn't); the sheet music notates "Part II" as the first guitar solo. "Part III" begins with the four-note pattern, through second guitar solo, "Part IV" with Rick's solo and third guitar solo, "Part V" vocals until the fade.
 * Seriously, all due respect, et cetera,
 * --Ben Culture (talk) 14:58, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

I have to back those who have identified the first 5 sections as being
 * I: keys solo
 * II: guitar solo 1
 * III: 4 note theme plus guitar solo
 * IV: key and guitar solos
 * V: vocals plus baritone, then tenor sax solo

This comes from spending months transcribing and interpreting all of the bs tabs out there for a show and then comparing back to the Hal Leonard/Music Sales song book ISBN 0825610796 - the Hipgnosis designed book.

I'd also point out that in terms of how the copyright and publishing rights have been claimed, the above breakdown is what is recorded in all registers around the world, not the obviously faulty description that keeps appearing in the article page.

Yes there are some minor issues with time signatures in this book, and missing sections (the sax solo at the end of V is not included nor is the full version of part VI included; these are quibbles in the bigger picture of the book providing structures and chord progressions).

I'm inclined to fix the article to reflect the published version, but guess that has been done multiple times and been undone by someone else. -- Bandcoach (talk) 15:20, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Synth Solo on First Half
I'm pretty positive that Richard Wright hardly ever or never used a Minimoog synth. I'm pretty sure the horn like synth solo at the beginning is actually a sawtooth wave Prophet V sound. I'm going to change it in the article and someone can change it back if they think otherwise. --User:PhilyG 22:05, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

this is more likely to be on an EMS VCS3 or Synthi than a Prophet, which was not invented until two years after (1977) the album was released (1975) Bandcoach (talk) 15:22, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

What a load of poop I am
You talk about music like a lawer. Totally missing the point. As if Pink Floyd give a shite about Picardy thirds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.42.51.27 (talk) 16:33, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Translation: "You said something I didn't understand, and that makes me angry. CARE about me!!!
 * They damn well do give a shit that the song begins in G minor and ends on a G Major chord, and that's what a Picardy fucking third means, you ignorant wipe.
 * They - and the readers of Wikipedia - do not care about a bunch of unsourced sophomoric (and likely psychotic) rambling (from people who discovered Pink Floyd five years ago) about What It All Meeeaans Maaan. Let me guess: Part I is "about" the innocence of youth, a handsome young man in a field of oversized psychedelic flowers, with Lewis-Carrollian overtones, right? (Yeah, I attended that horrible fucking Division Bell concert, too. Did you know that "Time" is about an infinite amount of flexible clocks in the sky?)
 * "Shine the fuck On You Crazy fucking Diamond" is about Syd Fucking Barrett. "It's not about all the crazy diamonds", says Roger Waters. It's about Syd, and we HAVE an article about him!
 * --Ben Culture (talk) 16:10, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

...agreed, the article talks about the sounds, not the meaning. What did Floyd mean by the Crazy Diamond? What were they trying to say with the album, and the various songs. Someone should hunt down quotes about that, and compile it into something more useful. People don't talk about meaning anymore. Interviews with songwriters focus on fame and fashion and rarely on their art. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.100.80.103 (talk) 17:59, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

 * Real, actual interviews with Pink Floyd members don't even introduce topics like "fame and fashion"! If you had read any you would know that.
 * Don't encourage this nonsense! Not from a position of complete cluelessness! "People don't talk about meaning anymore"?!? Easy to say. A sure applause-winner. But compared to when? And who doesn't talk about meaning? Are you sure you're even looking?
 * There are websites called "Songmeanings" and "Songfacts" and they are HORRIBLE. Go work at improving them, if you care so much about "meanings" instead of facts. I want Wikipedia to contain verifiable facts, not a bunch of review-ish nonsense about "plaintive" lyrics and "mournful" guitar solos. I have removed such adjectivist bullshit personally many times, and will continue to do so, from Pink Floyd articles. That's what you get when you start trying to talk about "meaning" -- you get a bunch of description, increasingly airy-fairy adjectives and cliches.
 * Pink Floyd just put out a whole DVD called "The Story of Wish You Were Here" -- and it's largely The Story of "Shine On You Crazy Diamond", which is The Story of Syd Barrett, which I already had in my DVD collection. I actually feel pretty ripped off by it, but at least I feel ripped off by Roger, David, Nick, and Rick personally.
 * There is a LOT of ROCK JOURNALISM out there. What you are talking about is ROCK JOURNALISM. I spent my whole adolescence reading it. It's insipid as hell. There's plenty being written about Pink Floyd on blogs every day. Go find it. Whole books are for sale. Go buy them. Maybe you'll learn that this song is about Syd Barrett and nobody else. Roger Waters has said so explicitly. I'm more interested in the music and the history and the recording and the design and the sales and the tour and the facts, the facts, and the facts.
 * --Ben Culture (talk) 16:10, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Impossible. The Prophet 5 didn't come out until 1978 and this recording was made in 1974. So I'm changing it back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.129.26.154 (talk) 08:43, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

 * And fuck you too!
 * --Ben Culture (talk) 16:10, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
 * (I'm kidding)

Division
''but the song grew longer than a single side of vinyl would allow. It was split into two parts and used to bookend the album.''

Sure? I remember having read in Nic Schaffners Book that it was Waters who wanted that divison. Genesis hat 2 LPs ("Selling" and "And then tere were 3") which have longer B-Sides, so I think it should have been possible to put "shine on" on a single side of the LP --Münzberg (talk) 10:09, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

 * I'm sure you're right; the division had more to do with the album's concept/structure than limitations of vinyl. Then again, if they had put "Shine On" on one side and the other songs on the other, they would have ended up with 26 min and 18 min sides ... which they could have corrected by writing and recording another song.  Their next album, Animals had a similar problem, as all 3 main songs were originally written to be around the same length (10 mins each), and one was padded a bit (as it seems to me) to fill a side, but it's a shorter side.  If you want to remove the claim, go ahead.  If you can replace it with a citation from the book you mentioned, even better. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 14:03, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

 * I would do so, but I haven't the book so I can't. (I red the book five yeard ago, lent by a former colleague. Maybe someone reading this has the book and can confirm what I remember --Münzberg (talk) 18:07, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

 * We can still remove the claim about vinyl limitations, and I've done so. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 18:34, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

All fine and good, but my understanding was, you can pack a lot of length onto vinyl, but the longer it gets, at some point you have to sacrifice sound quality, and we know they weren't going to choose that. Is that true, about vinyl? --Ben Culture (talk) 16:37, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

The Unanswered Question resemblance
I removed the following for the article: "It should be noted that this composition is bears resemblance to Charles Ives's The Unanswered Question." It has no encyclopedic value. If we can get reliable sources that tackle this "issue" than it can be added again. Personally, I didn't notice any resemblance except for the first trumpet note (that isn't very significant). Feel free to disagree here, or revert the edit and add some basis for it. -- Will Mak  050389  02:23, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Length?
Just a trivia perhaps... maybe more.

When I used my audio editing software Cool Edit Pro 2 to edit together the halves into one song, my length was 25:40.

I am not perfect, but this is within a second for sure. I come to this conclusion based on how I combined the tracks: I first used the first half from Wish You Were Here up until the end of the sax solo, when the last cymbol crashes and the wind fades in. At this point, I cut in the same point on the track off the disk Echoes. At the first audible bass note, I again cut, placing the second half off Wish You Were Here ahead of the cut.

So again... Perhaps only trivia, perhaps it's notable on the sidebar. 25:40 is the actual length of the combined suite. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Floydian (talk • contribs) 08:24, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

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Re-recording of piano
I don't feel confident enough to do it myself, but it should've been mentioned somewhere that Rick Wright in 2007 re-recorded a piano part for the SACD mix at British Grove Studios. http://www.pinkfloydz.com/missingpiano.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.102.167.136 (talk) 23:13, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

 * It was definitely worth adding to the article, and someone did, with a link to the video at vimeo.com. Basically, it was a ten-minute video to discuss, basically, 24 bars of what can only be described as "padding" - simple triads on right hand, with left-hand power chords thickening the bass register, with no noticeable reduction of Waters's bass guitar levels. It was mixed not to be noticed, but to lend atmosphere. Once you do notice it, you may wish you hadn't. I'm not wild about it. It is a case of a much older Rick Wright adding a genuinely new audio track to the 38-year-old multitrack, even if it's not a terribly notable part. It would have to be his last contribution to an original Pink Floyd record (and any Pink Floyd member's last contribution to that particular one). From the perspective of making the article better, the work has been done, so THANK YOU for bringing it up!
 * --Ben Culture (talk) 16:56, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Astronomy Dominé
The point about the very last keyboard lick being a tip of the hat to See Emily Play is absolutely right, but everyone seems to have missed the glaringly obvious (to me, at least!) reference to Astronomy Dominé! The chord structure under "Remember when you were young, you shone like the sun" is identical to the chord structure under "Lime and limpet green, A second scene, A fight between the blue you once knew", the former being Gm, F#, Bb and the latter being Em, Eb, G. MarkRae (talk) 06:38, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

 * No, because "Astronomy Domine" uses E MAJOR. The sequence is E, E-flat, G, and A -- all major chords.
 * --Ben Culture (talk) 18:54, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Electric piano on Part VIII
I found two different pieces of information in the article that seem to contradict one another. In the "Parts VI-IX" section, it says it's a Rhodes piano (without the Fender Rhodes and Mini-Moog overdubs) but in "Personnel" section, it says it's a Wurlitzer electric piano (clavinet and Wurlitzer electric piano on Part VIII) and both these bits of information appear to be unsourced. Furthermore, in the "Composition" section, there's a WP:OR maintenance template when all content must be verifiable. Does anyone have a reliable source with accurate information?--Kevjgav (talk) 10:50, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

I just listened to Part VIII and it sounds like a Wurlitzer more than it does like a Rhodes. It also says Wurlitzer in the credits. I know it may be original research (I'm not going to make that change without citing a reliable source) but I think the "Wurlitzer" is actually the correct information because I can very easily tell the difference between a Rhodes and a Wurlitzer. Also, it's consistent with Shine On You Crazy Diamond and Electric piano. Unfortunately, Wikipedia itself can't be used as a source.--Kevjgav (talk) 17:51, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

 * I too can very easily tell the difference between a Rhodes and Wurlitzer, and to my ear it is 100% a Rhodes on Part VIII :-) so I don't know where that leaves us. For now maybe we should edit both spots to just say "electric piano" without being specific about what kind. —Jeferman (talk) 01:54, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

A source that says its a Wurlitzer: http://sparebricks.fika.org/sbzine28/WrightGear-rev156.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agadish (talk • contribs) 11:58, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

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There was some talk about the time signatures years ago, but it's unclear if there was ever consensus, and regardless the page seems to have changed since then and is currently not consistent with itself. Most notably the page currently refers to parts II–V as being in both 6/4 and 6/8. I'm going to make some changes now which I think are consistent with the comments from years ago and are mostly in line with what the page has now: —Jeferman (talk) 18:31, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
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The article includes a section about the Barrett incident (Barrett visiting the studio while the song was being recorded). This incident, however, is also discussed at length, but with different quotations/details, on the page about the album, Wish You Were Here (Pink Floyd album). I think it would make more sense to describe the incident completely in one of the two articles, probably the page about the album, and not on the other. Any thoughts on this? Lennart97 (talk) 13:26, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Roman and Arabic numerals
The original UK LP label from Wish You Were Here in 1975 (SHVL 814) has Arabic numerals for the parts of the song (parts 1–5 and 6–9) while the US LP label from the same year (Columbia, PC 33453) has Roman numerals (parts I–V and VI–IX). I think we should mention the two numbering styles but use Arabic as standard notation. The Wish You Were Here album article does in fact use Arabic as standard. Binksternet (talk) 05:34, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

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Bureau de change

A bureau de change (plural bureaux de change, both ; British English) or currency exchange (American English) is a business where people can exchange one currency for another.

Nomenclature
Originally French, the term bureau de change is widely used throughout Europe and French-speaking Canada, where it is common to find a sign saying "exchange" or "change". Since the adoption of the euro, many exchange offices have started incorporating its logotype prominently on their signage. In the United States and English-speaking Canada the business is described as "currency exchange" and sometimes "money exchange", sometimes with various additions such as "foreign", "desk", "office", "counter", "service", etc.; for example, "foreign currency exchange office".

Location
A bureau de change is often located at a bank, at a travel agent, airport, main railway station, large supermarket branches, and anywhere else where there is likely to be a market for people needing to convert currency. They are particularly prominent at travel hubs, although currency can be exchanged in many other ways both legally and illegally in other venues. Some of the major players include HSBC, Travelex, JPMorgan Chase & Co., Wells Fargo, and Bank of America.

Business models

A bureau de change is a business which, in competition with other similar businesses, makes its profit by buying foreign currency and then selling the same currency at a higher exchange rate. It may also charge commission or fee on the purchase or sale. In setting its exchange rates, the business would keep an eye on changing market conditions, as well as the rates quoted by competitors, and may be subject to government foreign exchange controls and other regulations.

The exchange rates charged at bureaux are generally related to the spot prices available for large interbank transactions, and are adjusted to ensure a profit. The rate at which a bureau will buy currency differs from that at which it will sell it; for every currency it trades both will be on display, generally in the shop window.

The bureau sells at a lower rate from that at which it buys. For example, a UK bureau may sell €1.40 for £1 but buy €1.60 for £1. Quite often the terms "buy" and "sell" are used the other way round by a bureau de change, and the buy rate may seem higher that the sell rate: in such cases, it means "we buy/sell our local currency at the rate shown" (examples from Google Images).

For example, suppose that the spot price on a particular day is €1.50 to £1. Theoretically, an average consumer could exchange £2 and receive €3 (or vice versa), but in practice they would find it very hard if not impossible to secure such a rate. On that same day, a bureau de change might buy £1 for €1.40 and sell £1 for €1.60. If a consumer sold £1 to the bureau and then immediately bought back as much currency as possible, they would end up with (1.40 / 1.60) = £0.875, leaving the bureau with a revenue of 12.5 pence (12.5% of the original £1).

This business model can be upset by a currency run when there is a great imbalance between buyers and sellers because they feel a particular currency is overvalued or undervalued.

The business may also charge a commission on the transaction. Commission is generally charged as a percentage of the amount to be exchanged, or a fixed fee, or both. Some bureaux do not charge commission but may adjust their offered exchange rates. Some bureaux offer special deals for customers returning unspent foreign currency after a holiday. Bureaux de change rarely buy or sell coins, but sometimes will at a higher profit margin, justifying this by the higher cost of storage and shipping compared with banknotes.

In recent years, together with the emergence of online banking, currency exchange services have appeared on the Internet. This new model allows more competitive exchange rates and threatens traditional brick-and-mortar bureaux de change. Online currency exchange has two main models: the more popular model is provided by an established bureau de change, while social currency exchange platforms such as WeSwap allows participants to ask or bid for currency at their own rates (usually with an additional transaction fee).

It is estimated that the total revenue of this industry is $362 billion

Peer-to-peer foreign exchanges
The rise of peer-to-peer foreign currency exchange platforms and FinTech has led to disruptive P2P forex platforms that significantly undercuts traditional banks and financial institutions. Providers that use the P2P model to satisfy offsetting currency demands without an intermediary (such as a broker) has result in significant margin and spread compression in the foreign exchange business model.

Consumer issues
Changing money at a bureau is often more expensive than withdrawing it from an automatic teller machine at one's destination or paying directly by debit or credit card, but this varies depending on the card issuer and the type of account. Fees from multiple ATM withdrawals should also be considered. Some people may feel uncomfortable carrying a lot of cash and so prefer to use a card and carry minimal cash for tipping cabs, hotels, and restaurants. Hotels and rental cars many times also need cards for temporary holds.

Some may also prefer to hold foreign currency rather than change it back if they are expecting to return to where it is used. Companies that frequently send employees abroad may essentially act as their own exchange by reimbursing their employees in the local currency and holding the foreign currency. If exchange rates are relatively stable, the fees charged by a bureau may exceed any likely fluctuation and it also makes the company's accountancy easier.

In the alternate, some prefer to buy their currency before they travel, either just for a sense of security against credit card fraud typically achieved by tampered card readers or hackers, or because they expect to benefit from more favorable conditions thinking the exchange rate is better at that time than it will be when they make their trip. As well, some places may only take cash or have credit card terminals down.

In 2002, many bureaux reported substantial reductions in profit due to the replacement of many European currencies with the euro.

Illegal activity
Bureaux de change offer an opportunity for money laundering, and a number of countries require bureaux de change to register as money service businesses and are subject to their anti-money laundering measures. The Financial Action Task Force offers a set of recommendations for money services businesses to identify risky customers and transactions, however it is up to the various regulatory authorities to set out the specific regulations that govern the money services businesses in different countries.

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French ship Bucentaure (1803)

Bucentaure was an 86-gun ship of the line of the French Navy, and the lead ship of her class. She was the flagship of Vice-Admiral Latouche Tréville, who died on board on 18 August 1804.

Bucentaure was named after the Venetian state barge Bucintoro which was destroyed by Napoleon after the fall of the Republic of Venice in 1797. While the Venetian name is of uncertain etymology (it may have originated in the bucinatores aboard who blew their instruments to herald the arrival of the Doge), the French Bucentaure's figurehead depicted a : a mythical, centaur-like creature with the body of a bull and the head of a man.

Vice-Admiral Villeneuve hoisted his flag on 6 November 1804. Bucentaure hosted the Franco-Spanish war council while sheltered from the British fleet at Cadiz. The vote was to remain in safe waters (a decision later overruled by Admiral Villeneuve) During the council, Spanish general Antonio de Escaño complained that the atmospheric pressure was descending (a sign of approaching storms). French vice-admiral Charles René Magon de Médine famously retorted "the thing descending here is braveness". This offended Admiral Federico Gravina and other Spanish officers, who did not oppose later the imprudent order of taking to sea.

At the Battle of Trafalgar, on 21 October 1805, she was commanded by Captain Jean-Jacques Magendie. Admiral Nelson's HMS Victory, leading the weather column of the British fleet, broke the French line just astern of Bucentaure and just ahead of FRENCH SHIP Redoutable. Victory raked her less-protected stern and the vessel lost 197 men and 85 were wounded (including Captain Magendie); the surgeon on board was Dr. Textoris, the squadron's Chief Medical Officer. Admiral Villeneuve was lucky to survive, but this effectively put Bucentaure out of most of the fight. After three hours of fighting, she surrendered to Captain James Atcherly of the Marines from HMS Conqueror (1801).

Villeneuve is supposed to have asked to whom he was surrendering. On being told it was Captain Pellew, he replied, "There is no shame in surrendering to the gallant Sir Edward Pellew." When he was informed that the Conqueror's captain (Israel Pellew) was Sir Edward's brother, he said, "England is fortunate to have two such brothers." A prize crew of 71 was sent aboard and a tow line passed but this parted as soon as sail was set and both vessels drifted towards the shore during the night.

On the morning of 22 October, the Conqueror re-established the tow but, close by a lee shore with the weather deteriorating, she soon decided to leave her prize. That evening the captured French officers were able to persuade the heavily outnumbered prize crew to surrender and the combined crews managed to set sail for nearby Cadiz. The Spanish pilot aboard missed the harbour entrance in the stormy dark and at 8:15p.m. the Bucentaure hit rocks near the Santa Catalina fort. Efforts during the night to save the ship failed and the crew were evacuated by boat before the hull of the Bucentaure submerged on the afternoon of the 23rd. Her French crew mostly went aboard the Indomptable and drowned when she too sank on the night of 25/26 October.

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Mariatorget

Mariatorget (the Maria Square) is a square and a city park in the district of Södermalm in Stockholm, Sweden.

History
It was constructed at the end of the 1760s. Its original name was Adolf Fredriks torg (after King Adolphus Frederick, who reigned 1751–1771), but it was renamed "Mariatorget" in 1959 to avoid confusion with the church and parish of Adolf Fredrikskyrkan in Norrmalm. The modern name alludes to the nearby Maria Magdalena kyrka (Church of Mary Magdalene) and the surrounding parish.

The square faces the street of Hornsgatan to the north, and the street of Sankt Paulsgatan to the south. The street Swedenborgsgatan, named after Emanuel Swedenborg, starts there and continues southwards. In the northeast part is a bust in bronze from 1973 depicting Emanuel Swedenborg by Gustav Nordahl (1903-1992).

The central fountain is crowned by a sculpture by Anders Henrik Wissler (1869- 1941). Tors fiske (Thor's fishing), depicting the Norse god Thor slaying the sea serpent Jörmungandr.

A small former Methodist church, S:t Paulskyrkan, faces the southwest corner of the square. It housed the oldest Methodist congregation in Sweden. The building was inaugurated in 1876. The altar painting by Wilhelm Gernandt was added when the altar section was rebuilt in 1894.

The area surrounding the park offers quite a number of cafés and bars and is known as the area where Stockholm's LGBT+ nightlife concentrates. The Rival hotel and bar, which until recently was a cinema theatre, is partly owned by former ABBA star Benny Andersson.

Other sources

 * Article in Dagens Nyheter, published March 14, 2005 (in Swedish).
 * Alfredsson, B., Berndt, R., Harlén, H.: Stockholm Under. 50 år - 100 stationer. – Stockholm: Brombergs, 2000.
 * S:t Pauls Metodistförsamling - Official page (in Swedish).

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Content from Manchester United F.C.
I've merged it in now. Comments would be much appreciated.

Good Friday scandal of 1915
Anybody know anything about the Good Friday scandal of 1915 ? Cutler 23:43, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * If anyone is interested, we now have an article about it at 1915 British football betting scandal. doom gaze   (talk)  16:42, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

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Propose renaming
I propose that this article be renamed "History of Manchester United F.C. (1878-1945)" in line with the "History of Arsenal F.C." articles. Please feel free to leave your comments, whether they be pro- or anti- this proposed renaming. - PeeJay 20:09, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

FREDERICK ATTOCK
What about Frederick Attock, the founder of Newton Heath LYR later the Manchester United Football Club in this history of the club ??? Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.195.171.191 (talk) 22:40, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * OK I'll add him in. Tom (talk) 18:45, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Why 'United'?
I came here seeking clarification on the club's name. I'd imagined perhaps a number of different Manchester clubs had united to form a single club or something. The article reads: ...the new owners renamed the club Manchester United Football Club, after considering the alternate names "Manchester Celtic" and "Manchester Central". And that's all I could find. Do we know any more than this? --Jeff79 (talk) 08:32, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The suggestion is that the club was intended to represent the whole of Manchester, i.e. a "united" Manchester, but this is only conjecture. It's certainly nothing to do with a merger with another club. – PeeJay 02:48, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Who invested what in 1902?
This article says: ''...team captain Harry Stafford and Davies, who would lead a group of businessmen. Together, they came up with £2,000 to save the club.''

But Manchester United F.C. says: Captain Harry Stafford found four local businessmen, including John Henry Davies (who became club president), each willing to invest £500 in return for a direct interest in running the club (£2000 in total as above, but it came from only 4 people, not including Stafford)

History of Manchester United F.C. (1878–1945) is different again, saying: In March 1902, at a meeting in the New Islington Hall, Stafford announced to Newton Heath supporters that he, Davies and three other local businessmen had agreed to invest £200 each in the club in order to save it after a winding-up order had been issued two months earlier (£200 each from 5 people is only £1,000)

Bank Street (football ground) seems to agree with this article: ''The club was presented with a winding up order in January 1902, and Bank Street was on the brink of being repossessed until they were saved at the eleventh hour by a wealthy local brewer, John Henry Davies. He and four other men, among them club captain Harry Stafford, invested a total of £2,000 in the club, now renamed Manchester United F.C., and Davies himself paid £500 for the erection of a new 1,000-seat stand at Bank Street'' (£2,000 from 5 people, but it's not clear whether that includes the £500 for the stand)

And Harry Stafford isn't any help: ''The United captain told Davies about the club he played for and the financial trouble they were in. Davies decided to buy the team and wipe away the debt.''

59.108.42.46 (talk) 06:29, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * According to the sources I've seen, the investment group was made up of five people, including Harry Stafford. Stafford did not invest any money, while the other four contributed £500 for a total investment of £2000. – PeeJay 10:48, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

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Talk:List of people who died in road accidents

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I merged information from Famous automobile accidents as a result of the VfD for that article. Note that I did some fact checking to be sure these people really did die from an automobile accident (Grace Kelly, who is already on this list, had a stroke while driving or riding in a car, but I think that counts). --Deathphoenix 16:06, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

What about Timmy Taylor of Brainiac?

missing
Notable absentees from this list are James Fisher, the British naturalist and broadcaster, and David Penhaligon, the British Liberal MP, and potential party leader. Escoville (talk) 16:51, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Raimund Abraham, architect--died in a car crash in LA on Thursday March 4 2010. Here are some news stories about his death:

64.231.20.16 (talk) 00:24, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

And princess diana, I believe. 17:16, 15 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Solar flute (talk • contribs)

Robert Schimmel is missing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.5.185.73 (talk) 01:27, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Racing Fatalities
Any driver who were killed racing must be listed on the List of racing drivers who died in racing crashes page. Any found on this page will be removed. Willirennen 15:13, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

 * As the above applies, the Peter Brock will be removed as he was killed competing, not in a road accident as he is listed. Willirennen 19:13, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Rename?
Per the opening sentence, shouldn’t this article be called “List of notable people who died in road accidents”? --Ant (talk) 21:10, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Removal of Joe Rollino section
The reason why I took out the vehicle bit of the Joe Rollino section is because looking at it, I thought the vehicle section is supposed to be for those died driving or passengering that vehicle, as the media put it, safety standard for drivers and passengers are widely emphasised to that of pestrians; plus any pedestrian will be killed by any vehicle, why, because it is the carelessness of the driver. As for that entry, if a motorcyclist died, what are you going to put in, the bike the rider died riding on or the car that killed the driver.

I personally think the section should be reserved for those killed driving or passengering that vehicle. Donnie Park (talk) 15:58, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

 * Sure. Thanks for the edit summary; I was kind of baffled.I suppose a definition for each of the columns should appear at the top of the page, and then the bullted lists and tables below can eventually be made consistent with that. --Dbratland (talk) 17:45, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Carbon Monoxide Suicides
Noticing Prince Christopher of Yugoslavia appears in a list of people who died in accidents despite the statement his death was found to be suicide by carbon monoxide poisoning, I would consider this kind of death does not fall within the criteria specified by the heading and should not count for inclusion Such deaths would not take place driving on the roads but when vehicles were stationary. (Exhaust defects have caused accidents by causing drivers to pass out when driving; these would be countable as accidental deaths.)Cloptonson (talk) 21:32, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Missing
Iranian poetess Forough Farrokhzad and Pakistani Parveen Shakir. Both were very influential and both died in (relatively) young age in a car accident 65.26.50.116 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 04:58, 2 October 2014 (UTC)


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International Student/Young Pugwash

International Student/Young Pugwash (ISYP) is an international organization that promotes awareness and action among students and young professionals in relation to ethical implications of science and technology policy, particularly matters of international security and weapons of mass destruction. It developed from the Pugwash Conferences on Science and World Affairs.

"ISYP not only helps to introduce the younger generation to the principles and objectives of the Pugwash Conferences but also provides a forum for students and young professionals to critically examine and explore the motivations for scientific advancements and the corollaries of technology in the everyday lives of people."

History
Students have been invited as participants in Pugwash Conferences since the early 1970s. Following interest to create a forum specifically for students, student/young Pugwash groups started to form in the late 70s, Student Pugwash USA doing so in 1979. International collaboration among the groups began in 1988 in the Netherlands for the first jointly organized IS/YP conference. Student pre-conferences to the annual Pugwash Conferences began at the 1997 Pugwash Conference held in Norway.

During the 1999 Student/Young Pugwash Conference in Rustenburg, South Africa, representatives from various national Young Pugwash groups "formally endorsed a proposal to establish an international Student/Young Pugwash organisation to improve, expand, and coordinate the activities of national groups.". Sir Joseph Rotblat, one of the original signatories of the Russell-Einstein Manifesto in 1955 and joint recipient of the 1995 Nobel Peace Prize served on the first formally elected interim committee in 2000.

Today, ISYP continues to hold conferences in line with the Pugwash Conferences on Science and World Affairs. Their 11th International Conference, due to be held in Doha, Qatar, has been postponed until further notice due to COVID-19.

Organization
ISYP's members comprise national groups, which themselves may comprise loose or formal collections of school or university chapters, as well as individuals unaffiliated from national young groups. National entities include Student Pugwash USA (SPUSA) and British Pugwash among others.

A new ISYP board was elected in June 2021.

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Tyrannick Love

Tyrannick Love, or The Royal Martyr is a tragedy by John Dryden in rhymed couplets, first acted in June 1669, and published in 1670. It is a retelling of the story of Saint Catherine of Alexandria and her martyrdom by the Roman Emperor Maximinus, the "tyrant" of the title, who is enraged at Catherine's refusal to submit to his violent sexual passion. Dryden reportedly wrote the play in only seven weeks.

Nell Gwyn played the tyrant's daughter Valeria, and spoke "what must be the most amusing epilogue ever written" (in the words of Maximillian E. Novak, Dryden's modern editor). However, at that time "amusing" meant "thoughtful or thought-provoking" and was therefore very complimentary to both the play and the execution. The modern interpretation of "amusing" undermines the actual reality. When two stagehands came onstage to carry off Valeria's corpse at the play's end, Gwyn jumped up and assumed her genuine identity, though still in costume, to deliver the epilogue.

In addition to Gwyn, the original 1669 production by the King's Company featured Margaret Hughes as St. Catherine, Michael Mohun as Maximus, Charles Hart as Porphyrius, Rebecca Marshall as Berenice, William Cartwright as Apollonius, Edward Lydall as Valerius, William Beeston as Nigrinus, Richard Bell as Amariel, Elizabeth James as Damilcar and Edward Kynaston as Placidius. Mary Knep doubled the roles of Nakar and Felicia. The play was dedicated to the Duke of Monmouth.

The play was a major success, and was acted for 14 days straight. The work was revived in 1677, 1686, 1694, and 1702.

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Ian McCulloch (snooker player)

Ian McCulloch (born 28 July 1971) is an English former professional snooker player from Walton-Le-Dale, Preston, Lancashire. He is known for his ability to grind opponents down through protracted safety exchanges and disjointed breakbuilding. He compiled 105 century breaks in his career.

Career
McCulloch turned professional in 1992, and after steadily climbing up the rankings for many years, he reached the quarter-finals of a ranking event for the first time in the 1999 Welsh Open. He also made his debut in the Crucible stages of the 1999 World Championship.

Like Barry Pinches he entered his best form in his early 30s. He reached two ranking event finals – the 2002 British Open (losing to Paul Hunter) and the 2004 Grand Prix in his home town (losing to Ronnie O'Sullivan).

He beat David Gray to qualify for the 2003 World Championship in a clash between players who share their names with musicians, and went on to reach the quarter finals in 2004. He went one stage further in 2005, losing 14–17 to Matthew Stevens in the semi-final, beating Graeme Dott, Mark Williams and Alan McManus en route. He was ranked number 16 in the rankings in 2005/2006 season, which would normally guarantee a seeding in the ranking tournaments, but was pushed out by Shaun Murphy, who as the reigning world champion was not in the top 16 of the rankings, and was seeded ahead of him in tournaments.

In his 2005–06 season a quarter-final appearance in the Welsh Open was the highlight. He failed to qualify for the World Championship, losing to Dave Harold, causing him to drop down the rankings. He made his first appearance as a BBC pundit during the tournament.

An improved 2006–07 campaign included a quarter-final run in the Grand Prix. He qualified for the World Championship, and in the first round he eliminated defending champion Graeme Dott 10–7, but he lost in the second round 8–13 to Anthony Hamilton.

In the 2007 UK Championship he also knocked out the defending champion, by coming from 0–5 down against Peter Ebdon to beat him 9–8 in a remarkable comeback. He lost to Stephen Maguire 5–9 in the last 16. He missed out on the 2008 World Championship after losing 5–10 to eventual quarter-finalist, Liang Wenbo.

The 2008–09 season was a struggle, with only two wins in the first five tournaments. He failed to qualify for the World Championship again, losing to Rory McLeod despite scoring three centuries. After the 2011/12 season, he decided to quit the game for good after finishing number 68 in the world. This was in part motivated by an occupational shoulder injury. His best run was at the Welsh Open where he reached the final qualifying round before losing to Tom Ford 3–4.

On 11 October 2009, he won the Bodensee Open, although he was the only professional player taking part.

Broadcasting
McCulloch is a regular pundit for William Hill and can be heard in their shops previewing snooker tournaments and as a regular in-studio guest on their In-Play Radio service.

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Arthur Quinlan

Arthur Quinlan (15 January 1921 – 22 December 2012) was an Irish raconteur and print journalist with The Irish Times. Known for his interviews with politicians, royalty and film stars in a career spanning more than 50 years, he was widely regarded as a very important figure in his field, and was both the first Irishman to get a jet across the Atlantic Ocean to New York in 1958 and the only western journalist to have interviewed Che Guevara. Considered a "master of executing international scoops", his work was sent across the world.

Early life
Quinlan came from Dublin but was raised in Quin, County Clare. He attended University College Dublin (UCD), where he studied English literature and history and edited two student publications.

Journalism
Quinlan began working with The Irish Times in 1945. He was formerly based at Shannon Airport. Shannon is the most westerly airport in Europe and an important fuel stop for both eastward and westward traffic. Quinlan would start up his 1939 Morris 8 and head for the airport, using it as an opportunity to interview those passing through. He interviewed every United States President from Harry Truman to George H. W. Bush and many Soviet leaders, including Andrey Vyshinsky and Andrei Gromyko.

He once said,"'I interviewed many royals including the Duke of Edinburgh, Princess Margaret, King Michael of Romania and his mother (sic), Queen Maria, King Peter of Yugoslavia, King Zog of Albania, King Ibn Saud, founder of Saudi Arabia, Emperor Haile Selassie of Ethiopia, Queen Wilhelmina and Queen Juliana of Holland and that lovely couple Prince Rainier and his wife, the former Grace Kelly.'"

When Captain Charles Lindbergh's son was kidnapped, Quinlan interviewed him. A 4 am interview with George H. W. Bush on the Middle East left U.S. journalists perplexed as to why an Irish 'stringer' had managed to get hold of such a story.

Quinlan taught Fidel Castro how to make an Irish coffee and was the only western journalist to have interviewed Che Guevara. Guevara talked of his Irish connections through the name Lynch. He told Quinlan of his grandmother's Irish roots in Galway. Later, Che, and some of his Cuban comrades, went to Limerick and adjourned to Hanratty's Hotel on Glentworth Street. According to Quinlan, they returned that evening all wearing sprigs of shamrock, for Shannon and Limerick were preparing for the St. Patrick's Day celebrations.

In his 80s, he retired, declaring he had 'handed in his gun to The Irish Times'.

Awards and honours
Quinlan was a "member of honour" of the National Union of Journalists. He was recognised in media circles as "Mr. Limerick" and "Uncle Arthur". In 1982, he successfully proposed that women be allowed to join Shannon Rowing Club, from which they had been banned. The club's main slipway is also named "Arthur" in his honour.

Death
Quinlan died in Limerick in December 2012. A son and two daughters survived him. His wife, Vera, died shortly before him. Among those regarding him with fondness were Fergal Keane of the BBC.

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User:Aufregende

Aufregende holds a Master of Arts in European History and US Diplomatic History. He is currently a PhD candidate in International Relations. Registered Wiki User since May 2005

Articles I've made substantial additions to: Vietnam War

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West Sister Island

West Sister Island is an island of the U.S. state of Ohio located in the Western Basin of Lake Erie. The 82 acre island, jointly managed by the United States Coast Guard and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, is Ohio's only designated Wilderness Area, the West Sister Island National Wildlife Refuge.

Most of the island is covered with trees. Tall hackberry trees make up most of the canopy, with poison ivy on the ground. Polygonatum and a great variety of ferns, wildflowers, mushrooms, and other plant life can also be found.

The island is part of the Pelee Archipelago which also includes East Sister Island and Middle Sister Island (both in Ontario, Canada). West Sister Island is roughly 13 miles west of Rattlesnake Island, 14.5 miles east of Turtle Island, and 8.75 miles due north of the Ohio mainland.

Lighthouse
A lighthouse was established on the westernmost point of West Sister Island in 1848 to mark the west end of the South Passage through Lake Erie's Bass Islands. Standing on a stone foundation, the limestone and brick tower rises to a height of 55 ft. The West Sister Island Lighthouse is still an active aid to navigation, and is one of the oldest lighthouses to survive on the Great Lakes.

History
Ironically, after being established as a wildlife refuge in 1937, the island was used by the United States Army for artillery practice during World War II. Although the wildlife population and the lighthouse were not significantly damaged, the keeper's house was destroyed. It is also reported that fuel tanks jettisoned by dive bombers can still be found on the island.

West Sister Island was a popular stop for bootleggers during Prohibition. The island provided a certain level of visual cover from the authorities for rum runners crossing the lake. When approached by these authorities, bootleggers would often dump their illegal stash overboard. Legend has it that bottles of prohibition-era alcohol can still be found on the bottom of the lake around the island.

West Sister Island was once rumored to be the final resting place of missing Teamsters boss Jimmy Hoffa. It was speculated that after his abduction in Detroit, he was brought by boat to the island and buried. The island's jungle-like environment would have made discovery of his remains difficult; however these conditions would also have made the deposit of his remains difficult, therefore the island is not one of the more widely considered possibilities in the case.

Wildlife Refuge
The West Sister Island National Wildlife Refuge was established in 1937 by President Franklin D. Roosevelt "as a refuge and breeding ground for migratory birds and other wildlife...," specifically designated to protect the largest wading bird nesting colony on the U.S. Great Lakes. The refuge is managed by the staff of the Ottawa National Wildlife Refuge as a wilderness area, as provided under the Federal Wilderness Act. To protect it, public access is permitted for research only.

The refuge, which has a surface area of 80.13 acre, was recognized in 2000 as part of a globally Important Bird Area.

West Sister Island provides nesting habitat for 40% of all the nesting herons and egrets in the U.S. Great Lakes.

In popular culture
The wildlife refuge was featured in a 2007 episode of the Discovery Channel TV series Dirty Jobs with Mike Rowe. Due to the large number of birds vomiting and defecating from high in the trees the island is referred to as "Vomit Island" in the program.

In the animated television series Transformers Animated, the Dinobots reside in refuge on an island called "North Sister Island", located in Lake Erie, a fictional reference to West Sister Island.

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Talk:Dusty Mangum

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This article sums things up nicely, for anyone who's curious:

Some highlights:
 * Dusty Mangum's now-legendary field goal to win the Rose Bowl put him in a select club. In 101 years of football, University of Texas place-kickers have converted winning field goals on the game's final play only three times.
 * Dusty Mangum finished his career ranked among the most accurate kickers in Texas history. The top five, based on a minimum of 25 field goals made:

Kicker/FGM-FGA/Pct./Years

1. Kris Stockton 58-77 .753 1996, 1998-2000

2. Phil Dawson 59-79 .747 1994-97

3. Scott Szeredy 32-43 .744 1992-93

(tie) Jeff Ward 58-78 .744 1983-86

5. Dusty Mangum 50-73 .685 2001-04

Closed deletion listing
This article was listed for deletion on 27 May, 2005. The discussion was closed with the result of keep. This article will not be deleted. You can view the discussion, which is no longer live: Votes_for_deletion/Dusty Mangum. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 22:11, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Accessory

Accessory may refer to:

 * Accessory (legal term), a person who assists a criminal

In anatomy

 * Accessory bone
 * Accessory breast
 * Accessory kidney
 * Accessory muscle
 * Accessory nucleus, in anatomy, a cranial nerve nucleus
 * Accessory nerve
 * Accessory spleen

In arts and entertainment

 * Accessory (band), with members Dirk Steyer and Ivo Lottig
 * Video game accessory, a piece of hardware used in conjunction with a video game console for playing video games
 * Accessories (album), a compilation album from Dutch alternative rock band The Gathering
 * Accessory, a type of rulebook in Dungeons & Dragons and other role-playing games

Other uses

 * Fashion accessory, an item used to complement a fashion or style
 * Accessory suite, a secondary dwelling on a parcel of land
 * Rental accessories and attachments, accessories used in the rental industry
 * Cable accessories for connecting and terminating cables
 * Accessory fruit, in which some of the flesh is derived from tissues other than the flower ovary

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Preston & Steve

Preston & Steve is a morning radio, comedy, and variety broadcast on Philadelphia's active rock station 93.3 FM WMMR. The show features DJs Preston Elliot and Steve Morrison. The show originated at WDRE and then on Y100, both in Philadelphia, and features daily telephone interviews, in-studio guests, celebrity impersonations, unusual news stories, and numerous sound clips and running gags. It broadcasts live on the radio as well as streaming audio via the station website from 6 a.m. to 10:30 a.m. ET Monday through Friday, and is a featured podcast in the comedy section of the iTunes Store.

History
Preston Elliot, Steve Morrison, and Marilyn Russell were among a group of radio personalities introduced to the Philadelphia market through the now defunct radio station WDRE. With several of their WDRE co-workers, they departed the station for Y100 in 1997 when WDRE changed format. After four years of The Y100 Morning Show with Preston, Marilyn, and Steve, Marilyn Russell left the morning show on March 1, 2002, citing family reasons. She has worked part-time on other stations in the Philadelphia area since then, including WMGK, SoJo 104.9, WYSP, and joined morning personality Dave Cruise as co-host on "The BENFM Morning Show on 95.7 in 2007.

In 2001, WPLY's owner, Dan Lerner, one of the last independent owners in the Philadelphia market, sold the station to Radio One, a national broadcasting corporation that acquired Preston, Marilyn & Steve's previous radio station 103.9 WDRE. Radio One and hosts Elliot and Morrison did not successfully negotiate a new contract, and the personalities agreed to a deal with local broadcasting group Greater Media. The hosts' contract with Radio One expired on February 24, 2005, and Y100 changed format and became WPHI "The Beat" the same day.

A legal battle between Radio One and the Elliot and Morrison team over the hosts' non-compete clause was resolved by a ruling that they were no longer in competition with WPLY. On May 23, 2005, their new show debuted on WMMR.

In 2006, Elliot and Morrison received a long-term contract extension and in 2008, the station gave them a new 1800 sqft studio with their own production equipment.

They signed multi-year extensions in 2011 and in 2019. In May 2022, their contract with WMMR was extended to 2030.

Awards and ratings
The show has been named the "Best Morning Show" by Philadelphia Style magazine, and "Personality/Show of the Year" in the active rock category by Radio & Records trade magazine. Before switching to WMMR, the show won various Philadelphia A.I.R. Awards, including the "Best Weekday Morning Team" award for 2001, 2002, 2003, and 2005, and was voted best local morning show in the country in FMQB's Year End Leaders Poll for 2004 and 2005 in two different formats.

In the Summer 2004 Arbitron ratings book, the show was rated fourth in market share for all people ages 18–34, and second for men in the same category. The Preston & Steve show's ratings surpassed Howard Stern's during his last month on the air, and they outranked each of David Lee Roth's, Opie and Anthony's, and Kidd Chris's tenures at WYSP. , Preston & Steve was the top rated show in Philadelphia, and over a four-year period, they had the #1 show in the Arbitron ratings for the 25–54 adult demographic a total of 42 times.

In 2014, Elliot and Morrison were nominated by the National Association of Broadcasters as finalists for the NAB Marconi Radio Awards for Major Market Personality of the Year.

On June 11, 2019, Elliot and Morrison were honored by The National Association of Broadcasters Leadership Foundation, receiving the 2019 Service to Community Award in acknowledgement of the Camp Out for Hunger

On November 22, 2019 The Broadcast Pioneers of Philadelphia inducted the duo into their Hall of Fame.

In August 2021, it was announced that Preston Elliot and Steve Morrison will be inducted to the Radio Hall of Fame, being nominated under the “Spoken Word On-Air Personality” category.

Camp Out for Hunger
Since 1998, the show has held an annual Camp Out For Hunger, in which both Elliot and Morrison live in a motorhome for one week in November to raise food for Philabundance. The show awards prizes to individuals and groups that donate the most food. Since 1998, the event has collected thousands of tons of food and raised millions of dollars to feed the hungry across the Delaware Valley.

Results

10,000 marbles
To celebrate the anticipated 10,000th loss in Philadelphia Phillies franchise history, executive producer Nick McIlwain rolled 10,000 marbles down the steps of the Philadelphia Museum of Art as Bill Weston, WMMR's program director, looked on. After being cleaned up by the show's production crew, the marbles were donated to Toys for Tots and Children's Hospital of Philadelphia.

"Totally Office Calendar"
In 2006, Elliot had a slip of the tongue while trying to say "awesome" and instead said "office". Later that year they announced that they would be releasing a calendar featuring one (sometimes two) woman a month. Lauren Harris had been the only woman to appear in the calendar every year, until the 2015 calendar, when other commitments kept her from participating (she returned to appear in the 2016 Calendar). Release of the Calendar is typically accompanied by a "Totally Office Calendar Party", which can draw thousands of participants to see the women depicted in the Calendar in person and receive signed copies of the Calendar. There was no Calendar shoot nor a release party for 2020 due to the COVID-19 pandemic restrictions. Instead, a 2021 "Totally Office Calendar" poster featuring past photos from previous Calendars was created and was given to anyone that made a drive-through donation at the 2020 Camp Out for Hunger. The Calendar poster was later made available through the station's "Rock Shop" store on their website for the apropos price of $9.33.

"I Bleed for Preston & Steve" blood drive
This annual blood drive is hosted by Preston & Steve in coordination with the American Red Cross. The event typically attracts a very large crowd, and various promotional items and free concert tickets are often given out. The 2011 blood drive, the sixth annual drive, collected a total of 1,174 units of blood, and gives them a 6-year total of 6,409 units. The 2016 (11th annual) drive collected a total of 1,297 units of blood.

In popular culture

 * Elliot and his wife Rachelle were featured in the first episode of Season Five on Trading Spaces.
 * Morrison and his wife Claire were featured on an episode of the HGTV show Spice Up My Kitchen where their kitchen was redone for a budget of $40,000.
 * Producer Casey Foster and his wife Diane were featured on an episode of the HGTV show Bad, Bad Bath (later retitled Save My Bath) which premiered on October 17, 2006.
 * Reporter Kathy Romano had appeared on an episode of the third season of The Simple Life, commenting that the producers present on a Greyhound bus had to "spoon-feed" every line of dialogue to Paris Hilton.
 * Romano appeared in the 2009 film The Mighty Macs as a gate agent. The film is produced by Pat Croce and is about an all girl Catholic college basketball team.
 * Foster signed a one-day contract with the Philadelphia Soul.
 * Foster and McIlwain appeared in two episodes of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, and Romano appeared in the season three episode "Dennis Looks Like a Registered Sex Offender." Both Elliot and Morrison appeared in season 4 episode 3, playing construction workers, alongside several Philadelphia Eagles. Steve's role was originally to include one line ("Uh, yeah... I guess?"), but was shortened ("What?"), Preston's role had no lines. They were also featured as themselves in the episode "Mac's Big Break".
 * Foster appeared in the 2010 documentary film Bazaar of All Nations about a unique and influential shopping center in Delaware County, Pennsylvania.
 * Morrison and Magnatta appear on an episode of Diners, Drive-ins and Dives in 2011, where host Guy Fieri visits the Memphis Taproom in the Kensington neighborhood of Philadelphia.

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The Silver Branch

The Silver Branch may refer to:

 * Silver Branch, a symbol found in Irish mythology and literature
 * The Silver Branch (Sutcliff novel), a 1957 historical adventure novel for children by Rosemary Sutcliff
 * The Silver Branch (Kennealy novel), a 1988 fantasy novel by Patricia Kennealy

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