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Karl Pilkington

Karl Pilkington (born 23 September 1972) is an English presenter, actor, voice-artist, producer and author.

After working with Ricky Gervais and Stephen Merchant as producer on their XFM radio show, Pilkington became a co-host of The Ricky Gervais Show. He presented the Sky travel comedy series An Idiot Abroad and the Sky 1 travel comedy series The Moaning of Life. He made his acting debut in Gervais's comedy-drama series Derek and co-founded the television production company RiSK Productions alongside Gervais and Merchant. He also co-created, co-wrote, and starred in the comedy series Sick of It.

Early life
Pilkington was born on 23 September 1972 in Sale, Cheshire (modern day Greater Manchester). He grew up in the Racecourse Estate in Sale, and has an elder sister and brother. He has discussed having a close relationship with his parents, and has shared stories about his mother and father holding multiple jobs. However, he was never close to his siblings, which he attributed to being 10 years younger than them; he once said that it had been "years" since he had last talked to them. He attended Ashton-on-Mersey School in Sale. He said that he never liked school and struggled with the system, at some point losing all interest in it. He has said he attended school only to sell items to his schoolmates, usually video games that he had purchased and made copies of. He said, "I wasn't going to school to learn, I was going to earn." At the age of 15, he dropped out of school to work as a cassette and disk printer through a Youth Training Scheme programme.

Early work
Pilkington moved to London to work as a producer at XFM, where he was later promoted to head of production. While there, he unintentionally caused Gail Porter to leave the station in tears after only one show; he criticised her performance, which Pilkington defended as an attempt to encourage improvement.

After several years, he began work on The Ricky Gervais Show. Initially, Pilkington was solely the programme's producer and rarely spoke on-air, but as Gervais and Merchant began to frequently invite him to make cameo appearances, Pilkington's eccentric personality and unconventional views came to prominence and his popularity increased. He was eventually included as a main presenter on the broadcasts, with large amounts of airtime devoted to his controversial opinions on various subjects: often due to his misunderstanding of the stories.

Pilkington created many features for the broadcasts, including Monkey News, Rockbusters, Educating Ricky and many others. Rockbusters garnered the most attention, with regular emails being sent to the station from listeners in the hopes to win prizes. These prizes were often mundane and low quality and were often referred to as things Pilkington "picked up from around the office". In December 2005, Pilkington stood in on two BBC Radio 6 Music shows for Nemone, co-presenting with Russell Brand.

Celebrity
Pilkington's presence on The Ricky Gervais Show podcasts significantly increased his fame. He has often been mentioned in interviews given by Gervais and is often the victim of Gervais's pranks and insults directed towards the spherical appearance of his bald head, which has often been compared to an orange. During the podcast, Pilkington would often discuss his bizarre upbringing and worldview, alongside absurd news stories.

In describing a challenge from I'm a Celebrity in which contestants consumed a kangaroo penis, Pilkington claimed the challenge was more difficult than presented due to contestants consuming the kangaroo penis on an empty stomach. Pilkington reasoned that he could perform the challenge should it occur later in the day: surmising "I could eat a knob at night". In response to Pilkington's claim, Gervais encouraged his listeners to sample the humorous sound bite and remix it into dance music. The phrase spawned several dance music mixes, T-shirts and other merchandise. Many of Pilkington's quotes have since gained publicity, particularly on the Internet. Reuters described Pilkington as a "phenomenon" who had made "Internet history".

On 23 November 2010, while appearing live on Richard Bacon's Radio 5 Live afternoon show, Gervais surprised Pilkington with an on-air phone call. This led to a conversation in which Pilkington, who claimed to have been interrupted while grouting his kitchen, claimed that he had not yet been paid for his work on An Idiot Abroad and concluded the interview with an improvised link into the hourly news.

Pilkington has worked independently of Gervais and Merchant on several projects. He appeared as a guest on the shows Flipside TV and The Culture Show, and appeared in several short films as part of the Channel 4 project 3 Minute Wonders.

Merchant and Gervais have repeatedly denied claims that Pilkington's persona is their creation. In an on-air response to similar claims made by Chris Campling during a broadcast on Xfm, Merchant stated that he would be "ashamed" if the radio show had been scripted, adding that "I would not have squandered a character that good on this poxy radio station." Gervais concurred, pointing out that writing a single series's worth of six half-hour episodes of shows such as The Office and Extras consumed as long as a full year of their time. An interviewer for The Daily Telegraph concluded that Pilkington's behaviour is genuine.

In 2019, a species of insect from the Mutillidae family was named Traumatomutilla pilkingtoni after him.

Television and DVD
Pilkington appeared in an interview titled Meet Karl Pilkington on Gervais's live standup comedy DVD Politics. The DVD of Gervais's film The Invention of Lying contains a special feature also called Meet Karl Pilkington that documents his participation in the film as a non-speaking caveman in another special feature, The Dawn of Lying. He was given a small role in the final episode of Extras.

In September 2010, Pilkington starred in An Idiot Abroad, a light-hearted Sky1 travel documentary series produced by Gervais and Merchant in which he visits the New 7 Wonders of the World while participating in various activities along the way. He wrote a book to accompany the series.

The second series, subtitled The Bucket List, debuted on 23 September 2011 on Sky 1 and features Pilkington partaking in ultimate experiences from a list selected for him. In June 2011, he won the Best Presenter award for An Idiot Abroad at the Factual Entertainment Awards. The third series of the show, An Idiot Abroad: The Short Way Round, premiered in November 2012 and showed Pilkington and Warwick Davis travelling the Marco Polo route.

He made his acting debut on 12 April 2012 in the Channel 4 comedy-drama Derek, portraying caretaker and bus driver Dougie. He left the show after the first episode of the second series. From 2013 to 2015, Pilkington starred in a two-series Sky 1 documentary called The Moaning of Life. From 2018 to 2020, he co-wrote and starred in a Sky 1 scripted sitcom called Sick of It. In 2022, Pilkington starred in the ITV drama The Thief, His Wife and the Canoe as DC Phil Bayley. Pilkington has also performed voice-over work for such clients as Sky TV, One Stop Office Shop, FreeView, Vodafone, HMV, Sony PSP, WHSmith, Wickes, Unilever and SMARTY. In 2023, Pilkington appeared in the comedy-drama series Rain Dogs.

Charity work
In 2014, Pilkington designed and signed his own card for the Thomas Coram Foundation for Children charity. The campaign was launched by crafting company Stampin' Up! UK; his card, along with those designed and signed by other celebrities, was auctioned on eBay in May 2014.

Personal life
Pilkington resides in Sandbanks, Dorset. He is in a long-term cohabiting relationship with his partner, Suzanne, whom he frequently mentions in his work.

Pilkington supported Manchester City as a child, but has supported Manchester United since the 1990s. In January 2020, he revealed on Sunday Brunch that he had been attempting to eat fewer animal products and described himself as a flexitarian.

Regarding his experience of other religions during the production of An Idiot Abroad, Pilkington commented that "Religion was never a big part of my life. I wasn't christened."

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Mystic Man

Mystic Man is the fourth studio album by Peter Tosh. All songs were composed by Peter Tosh. It was released in 1979 by Rolling Stones Records (his second album for the label), EMI, and Intel Diplo (in Jamaica).

The album's cover photo, by Annie Leibovitz, shows Tosh's head in profile, with his head cupped in his hands, as if in prayer. Sw. Anand Prahlad, in his book Reggae Wisdom, suggested that on this and previous album Bush Doctor, Tosh was seeking to portray himself in the role of "healer and prophet".

The album peaked at number 6 in Italy, 17 in Germany, 25 in Austria, 27 in Sweden, 44 in the Netherlands, and at 123 on the Billboard 200.

The album was reissued in 2002 with five bonus tracks.

Reception
Lester Bangs, reviewing the album for Rolling Stone, saw Mystic Man as an improvement over Bush Doctor and viewed the 9-minute disco-driven "Buk-in-Hamm Palace" as the album's strongest track. Jonathan Daümler-Ford, for the Birmingham Daily Post, thought it lacked the immediate impact of the previous album, but "sneaks up from behind" with what he described as "one of the best reggae tracks I have heard ("Can't You See") and several close contenders", calling it a "slow starter but a strong stayer". Ralph Heibutzki, for Allmusic, saw the album as Tosh reasserting his "cranky contrarian militancy", "a proud declaration of Tosh's lifestyle, which he pointedly contrasts against Western consumerist decadence", viewing "The Day the Dollar Die" as a roots reggae classic.

Dave Thompson saw the album as a disappointment, picking out "Jah Seh No" and "Rumours of War" as highlights. Village Voice critic Robert Christgau wrote: "Mysticism should keep its own counsel; boast about it, translate your supposed experience of the ineffable into any but the most simpleminded ideology, and ninety-five times out of a hundred you'll sound like a smug asshole. Tosh's ever more preachy vocal stance does nothing for his dopey puns ('shitty' for 'city,' far out), his confused political-economic theories, or his equation of hamburgers with heroin. And his musicians sound like the bored pros rockers so often turn into."

Track listing
All tracks composed by Peter Tosh

 * 1) "Mystic Man"
 * 2) "Recruiting Soldiers"
 * 3) "Can't You See"
 * 4) "Jah Seh No"
 * 5) "Fight On"
 * 6) "Buk-In-Hamm Palace"
 * 7) "The Day The Dollar Die"
 * 8) "Crystal Ball"
 * 9) "Rumours Of War"
 * Bonus tracks on "The Definitive Remasters" 2002 EMI CD release:

 * 10. "Buk-In-Hamm Palace" (12" version)
 * 11. "Mystic Man" (long version)
 * 12. "Fight On" (instrumental)
 * 13. "Recruiting Soldiers" (version)
 * 14. "Dubbing Buk-In-Hamm" (from 12" single)

Personnel

 * Peter Tosh - lead vocals, guitar, keyboards
 * Robbie Shakespeare - bass guitar
 * Sly Dunbar - drums, percussion
 * Mikey Chung - keyboards, guitar, percussion
 * Robbie Lyn - organ, piano
 * Uziah Thompson - percussion; repeater drums on "Fight On"
 * George Young - alto saxophone, flute
 * Howard Johnson - baritone saxophone
 * Lou Marini - tenor saxophone, flute
 * Ed Walsh - Oberheim synthesizer on "Recruiting Soldiers", "Jah Seh No" and "Buk-In-Hamm Palace"
 * Barry Rogers - trombone
 * Mike Lawrence - trumpet
 * Sammy Figueroa - percussion; congas on "Mystic Man" and "Buk-In-Hamm Palace"
 * Clive "Azul" Hunt, Mikey Chung - horn arrangements
 * Brenda White King, Gwen Guthrie, The Tamlins, Yvonne Lewis - backing vocals
 * Keith Sterling - acoustic piano on "Mystic Man"
 * Ed Elizalde - lead guitar on "Can't You See"
 * Technical
 * Geoffrey Chung - recording, mixing
 * James Nichols, Michel Sauvage - assistant engineer
 * Dennis King - mastering
 * Annie Leibovitz - photography

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Eva Tamargo

Eva Tamargo (born December 24, 1960) is an American actress, best known for her roles as Pilar Lopez-Fitzgerald on the NBC daytime soap opera Passions (1999—2008), and as Celine Gonzales in the Oprah Winfrey Network primetime soap opera The Haves and the Have Nots (2013–2021).

Life and career
Tamargo was born in Brooklyn, New York, to Cuban immigrants. She was married to Michael Lemus from 1985 to 2003 and is sometimes credited as "Eva Tamargo Lemus". She is the daughter of the Cuban journalist Agustin Tamargo and Rosalba Nápoles. She has two children, Matthew and Gabriella.

From 1999 to 2008, Tamargo played Pilar Lopez-Fitzgerald in NBC soap opera Passions. Tamargo is also known in the international Latino community for her work on the daytime telenovela El Magnate as well as the reality dating show La Cenicienta. She has appeared in television, radio and print commercials as well as stage work with the Repertorio Español in New York City. She also starred in Marielena and Más Sabe el Diablo, and a guest appearance on NCIS.

In 2013, Tamargo was cast as Celine Gonzales, the spiteful domestic of John Schneider and Reneé Lawless in Oprah Winfrey Network primetime soap opera The Haves and the Have Nots. As of June 2020, Tamargo signed an exclusive management deal with Chris Giovanni at CGEM Talent in Los Angeles.

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Category:Skyscrapers in Israel

Skyscrapers in Israel.

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Category:Buildings and structures in Israel

 * Buildings and structures in Israel — from ancient to contemporary works.


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Talk:Cardinalidae

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I don"t know anything about vandalisim or any of your other problems but I would like to add some interesting data I have witnessed about Cardinals. I live just east of Tampa. Fla and have two pairs of Cardinals living around my home. The males have a prominent crest. The bird in your pic does not. They thrive here year around. Seeds and bugs (we have plenty) nourish them - we have two birdbaths that are well used. They love to bath and splash about - after bathing they go to a nearby bush to groom and dryout - it is always the same bush outside my window. we had a small basket hanging in our carport that last year and now this year again a female made a nest - Fantastic!! Last year she layed 4 eggs and they all hatched!! We pulled our car in and out which didn't deter her. We were thrilled watching the feeding going on - a couple of them moved on but we still have several that opt to stay. A male often comes to watch the seeds being put out. not very skittish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by User: (talk • contribs)

(clueless in cyberspace)
I would like to log in - Pat Brudy I'm new to the computer - how do I log in?(65.32.159.77 (talk) 20:35, 26 July 2014 (UTC)) What do you need?
 * (As this colleague almost surely has learned over the last 3 years...), mostly more confidence and self-reliance, or ideally a more experienced friend with the patience to "hold your hand" a little, maybe just by letting you watch what they do on line, and answering some "Why?" questions that arise. --Jerzy•t 22:24, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

(Vague in Seattle)
This page has been vandalized again. Please revert to : 12:33, 25 May 2005 Gdrbot m (Nomialbot - update old-style taxobox)

--TaranRampersad 20:53, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

(Clueless in multiple dimensions)
Who would vanalize a page about a bird? --Feb 20, 2006

 * Vandals of Wikipedia aren't necesarily motivated by anything much different from those who “randomly” damage things in the “real world”. Some pages are attacked simply because “they are there”. —SlamDiego 02:15, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

 * they live in china — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.87.66.16 (talk) 17:31, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

(Vague in Seattle)
There are (must be) differences in diet and shelter habits for this bird since it's range includes huge portions of the world. Diet and shelter choices (as well as requirements in extreme environments) made by the birds would be far more useful information than piddling about the One True Spelling.

I live in a subtropical environment where it rains in a way comparable to that of Bangladesh, yet if I drive an hour (on an island) I can be in a desert environment. So knowledge of preferred adaptations by the species to it's environment is something I care about. Coming here to find the pages lost in flaming pedantry is a serious disappointment, and obviously some of you need to spend less time considering issues of descriptive bias, and more time on issues of fact.

Mascot
I think we should talk about the cardinal as a popular high school or university mascot and include a list of such institutions. Example: Luverne Senior High School or Wesleyan University 74.106.19.218 03:03, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think you will find such a list at Northern Cardinal. jimfbleak 06:30, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.87.66.16 (talk) 17:35, 20 November 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.45.145.57 (talk) 03:01, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Americanization

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I reverted your change to the original spelling of colour as inappropriate. AFAIK, size of the population is not a basis for change. The USA is not the only anglophone country with cardinals, nor is it necessarily the one with the most species of this family.

 * The reason given wasn't a count of species but the size of the population. —SlamDiego 23:34, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

For a species largely limited to NAm, like Bald Eagle, I would accept the change, but not in this case.

 * Which would contradict the argument that you gave above. Moreover, cardinals are birds of North and South America; the nations of the latter are principally Spanish- or Portuguese-speaking nations.  The addition of the few Anglophonic nations of South America is not going to significantly shift population weights. —SlamDiego 23:34, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

There are many species/families with a distribution across the northern hemisphere - are you suggesting that all of these should be Americanized?

 * Hardly. Rather, I am suggesting that when the bulk of those that are in Anglophonic nations are in America, then the spelling should be American. —SlamDiego 23:34, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Because of the geographical size, for many of these groups there are bound to be more individuals in the USA/Canada than in the UK/Ireland, but I think you'll have struggle if you extend your new principle to eg ducks, birds of prey or waders. Jimfbleak.talk. 2 January 2007 (UTC)

 * You are simply misapplying the words “extend” and “new”. The principle is not new, and in application to birds would migrated from nations where one spelling prevailed to nations where another prevailed, the principle would be silent. —SlamDiego 23:34, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

The trouble is that you have not shown that there is a Wikipedia policy that numbers of individuals justify an Americanisation of spelling. As far as I know it's something you've made up.

 * No, this is perfectly in keeping with the Wikipedia policy about where to use various English-language conventions. You already gave the matter away in principle with your hypothetical case of bald eagles.  Neither cardinals nor bald eagles are limited to the United States, nor even to anglophonic nations; but the bulk of the cardinal population that are in an anglophonic nation are in one in which American spellings prevail. —SlamDiego 14:06, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Why does it not surprise me that that you dismiss the other anglophone nations in the New World as unimportant compared to mighty America?

 * That's not what I've done, and unless I receive an apology I will file a civility complaint against you. (I'm neither kidding nor bluffing.) —SlamDiego 14:06, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

If you want to play the numbers game, there are far more British English Anglophone nations in the New World than US-English

 * Counts of nations are irrelevant. Even populations of people are irrelevant.  Actual population of cardinals is what is here relevant. —SlamDiego 14:06, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

(but of course they're not Americans, so don't matter).  Jimfbleak . talk . 16:34, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Again, you will apologize for libel, or I will complain about your incivility. —SlamDiego 14:06, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

 * If you are so confident of your grounds for Americanisation of the spelling, all you have to do is point me to the appropriate policy page, and I will accept that. So far you have chosen not to do that, but have just continued the edit war. The threats and bluster are not a substitute for a verifiable Wikipedia policy. Since you instigated the spelling change it is up to you to justify the "policy" you are using to support the Americanisation. And talking of incivility, what does putting a stop sign on my talk page amount to, as if I was  common vandal?  Jimfbleak . talk . 15:43, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

 * I am required by Wikipedia policy on civility to post a warning on your talk page before proceeding with a complaint. Referring to my warnings as “bluster” is further incivility.  You have now been reported.  You have already conceded that the spelling change would be appropriate for a bird whose range in not confined to Anglophonic nations, and whose range includes nations in which American and non-American English spelling prevail. —SlamDiego 16:11, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

 * I've just noticed the Bald Eagle comment above, according to the article, it is restricted to Canada, USA and Northern Mexico. If that is correct, then it occurs only in US-english anglophone countries. I've certainly not seen it in Trinidad, Tobago or Costa Rica.  Jimfbleak . talk . 16:00, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Canada does not use American spellings. —SlamDiego 16:11, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

 * I've put a note on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life to try to get some intervention in this pointless edit war. I hope you see that as a constructive move, since we are getting nowhere with just the two of us.  Jimfbleak . talk . 16:04, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

 * I would have seen it as a constructive move had you engaged in it before an incivility report had already been made. Complaint/appeal processes should not be set into rivalry. —SlamDiego 16:11, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Per WP:MOS, I see of no reason even if there are more cardinals in North America to revise the language used to American english. Per the MOS criteria:
 * 1) Cardinals are not native only to regions utilizing american english.
 * 2) "Colour" is not a confusing regional term, as Lorry or Loo might be to residents in North America.
 * 3) Based on neither of the two above criteria being paramount, default should be to the flavor of english first used in the article...which would be the British english spelling.

Regards, as a mighty american :) Syrthiss 16:23, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

As I've said at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life, Manual of Style plainly states
 * If there is a strong tie to a specific region/dialect, use that dialect.

The policy does not refer to a unique tie; merely to a strong tie. —SlamDiego 16:31, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Exactly. I would equate the strength of the tie to be basically equal for the two regions.  I don't really care who has a greater population of cardinals or swallows or egrets: I care that both of you are disrupting this article when its really quite trivial whether the word is spelled color or colour for the subject matter of the article. Syrthiss 16:40, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

 * First, I'm not sure which you think are the “two” regions. Jimfbleak has been proceeding under the assumption that Canadians also would spell things “color” rather than “colour”.  Second, on what basis do you measure equality or inequality, if not population?  After all, we certainly have Americans (even native-born Americans) who write “colour”.  Third, no user is likely to notice the spelling changes as they are effected, and Jimfbleak and I have in fact taken care not to undo other edits. —SlamDiego 16:52, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Canada and the Caribbean countries have as strong a claim, especially as we are not just talking about Northern Cardinal. In the spirit of compromise, I am happy to leave the article in its present colo(u)rless form, and to apologise unreservedly for comments impugning the motives or integrity of any American editors.  Jimfbleak . talk . 16:47, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Again, what is your measure of strength? I stated my measure up front.  I am fine with “plumage” but note that the article could run into analogous problems in future as it expands. —SlamDiego 16:52, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

 * You give no figures to support your assertion that there are more cardinals in the US than elsewhere. Even if you mean Northern Cardinal, Canada ("colour" as you pointed out) is a big country full of Northern Cardinals. If you look at all the other cardinal species I doubt that the US has the majority of any of them and a zero population of many. Either way, without nitpicking about exact numbers, it's clear that that the US has no overriding claim to the family as a whole, or even with Northern Cardinal.  Jimfbleak . talk . 17:00, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

 * I am not claiming that the United States has most of the world's cardinals; I am claiming that it has most of the cardinals that are in anglophonic nations, which is relevant for the Anglophonic article. In a Portuguese-language article, the appropriate dialect would likewise be Brazilian — not because Portugal does not matter (not being the mighty Brazil), but because Brazil's the Portuguese-speaking nation with the most cardinals.  If you'll accept this natural metric, then I'll bother to get you the population estimates; otherwise it's a bit of a goose chase for me (and this article is not on geese).  But you, as a birder, should know enough from considerations of habitat. (Cardinals do not migrate, and those in Canada must endure winter as it finds them.) —SlamDiego 17:23, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

 * I should also explicitly note that you still haven't stated your metric. We've got claims of equality here being made without any meaning. —SlamDiego 17:51, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Shame, shame, shame! Slamdiego, you have violated the three-revert rule by reverting to the same state of the article four times within 24 hours. By rights I could block you for 24 hours. I will hold off because you did not receive a warning before the fourth edit, and it looks like the edit war has ended for now. I think I could also make a case for blocking you for being disruptive by insisting on a very contorted interpretation of the manual of style on national varieties of English. Jimfbleak, you can damn close to violating 3RR. Both of you, edit warring is never good,and solves nothing. It is particularly egregious when the issue is 'national varieties of English'. My philosophy is, never change existing (national varieties of English) spelling, and never revert when someone else does so. I have no sympathy for either of you. -- Donald Albury 21:32, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

 * No. One cannot violate that rule without having received a warning. (I will grant that I would not have reverted so many times had I been thinking of the 3RR when I made the fourth reversion, as being in mere technical compliance can still leave one in bad form.) —SlamDiego 01:24, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * No, by rights you cannot. —SlamDiego 01:24, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * More specifically, you must hold off, or jeopardize your administrative status. —SlamDiego 01:24, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * A case perhaps, but not a decent case. (Below, you assert a policyt which holds the rule itself in contempt.) —SlamDiego 01:24, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That's a dubious absolute. —SlamDiego 01:24, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That's simply false. Solutions are defined in terms of problems, which in turn are defined in terms of objectives. —SlamDiego 01:24, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * In other words, you object to the very rule that I invoked. No wonder, then, that you insist on seeing its invocation as disruptive, and my intepretation as contorted.  In any case, you should recuse yourself from administration where this rule is involved. —SlamDiego 01:24, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, you and I have a mutual lack of sympathy, then. —SlamDiego 01:24, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Please do not intersperse your comments in the middle of someone else's post. That makes it hard to follow who said what, and can be seen as rude. You can be blocked for revert warring, whether or not you have technically violated 3RR, and whether or not you have been warned during the current round. What matters is whether you could have been expected to know about the rule. Asserting your right to edit war is a good way to get in trouble in Wikipedia. Your interpretation of the manual of style concerning 'national varieties of English' is indeed contorted. I believe that my actions here are proper, and I will not recuse myself from monitoring the situation here. -- Donald Albury 03:41, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

 * I'm sorry if you find it hard to read interspersed replies, but they have a long tradition on the 'Net, and would not be found rude by those familiar with that tradition.
 * You wouldn't have been able to make the case that I was in knowing violation of the 3RR. (In fact, I wasn't in knowing violation.) And you shouldn't have threatened to engage in what would have been a misuse of you administrative prerogatives.
 * I did not assert a right to edit war. Pointing out that your assertions were fallacious is not the same thing as claiming that no legitimate objections to edit warring can be made.  Take care not to again misrepresent what I have said.
 * Baldly asserting that my interpetation is contorted won't make it so. (BTW, if anyone were familiar with myu history of edits, then he or she would know, for example from one of my edits to Liquorice that I will truly try to play by the rules, correcting articles to British spelling where American spelling has mistakenly been used.)
 * The reason that you should recuse yourself from all disputes concerning the rule on national spellings is that you've made plain your distain for the rule, by your objecting both to my attempts to bring the article into conformation and to Jimfbleak's attempts, and by asserting that we should instead ignore the rule in favor of tolerating whichever spelling that we find. (What you should perhaps do is work to change the rule to one more to your satisfaction.)
 * —SlamDiego 14:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

 * No, I've made it clear that I consider squabbling over things like 'color' vs. 'colour' is not something I choose to engage in. I support the guideline, which I believe you have been violating. However, I think that revert warring over such things is one of the silliest bits of behavior that anyone can engage in on Wikipedia. I prefer to use my reverts on vandalism, spamming, personal attacks and similarly blatant abuses of editing priviledges. -- Donald Albury 00:13, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

 * You may well be right about the silliness of 3RR warnings in such cases, but note that you did something very close to issuing a revert warning when you declared “you have violated the three-revert rule by reverting to the same state of the article four times within 24 hours. By rights I could block you for 24 hours.” Speaking for myself, I would rather see the 3RR significantly modified; I think that it creates sub-optimal Cournot-Nash equilibria.  But, exactly as that implies, the rule impels invocation.  The silliness is in the system.

 * In any case, your original statement (“never change existing (national varieties of English) spelling, and never revert when someone else does so.”) is not about the 3RR rule at all; and, if followed by everyone, it would operationalize as utterly discarding the guidelines on which dialect to use where; we would just use first dialect. That would be fine with me if indeed everyone adopted it. —SlamDiego 01:44, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

 * I said nothing to imply that 3RR warnings are silly. I said quite distinctly that edit warring over spelling changes was silly. Edit warring is always bad, and preventive blocks are appropriate to stop edit warring. Admins may impose an immediate block for violating 3RR. Gaming 3RR (such as making the 4th revert 24 hours and 10 minutes after the first) may also result in a block. Edit warring that does not actually violate 3RR may also result in blocks, although most admins will take the case to ANI rather than unilaterally blocking. In general, reverting more than once is frowned on. ARBCOM has put some edit-warriors on 1RR (no more than one revert on an article in any 24 hour period). I recommend you read Lamest edit wars. -- Donald Albury 16:02, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

 * I apologize for at one point misreading your “warring” as “warning”, and thence misattributing a position to you. I do not support edit warring.  My earlier point is simply that it accomplishes something for some people.  Whether those things should be accomplished is another matter. —SlamDiego 02:56, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

 * An understandable misunderstanding. No problem. -- Donald Albury 20:59, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

A challenge to spelling partisans
A challenge to spelling partisans:

To the Yanks: I challenge you to never revert this article over the spelling of the word color. Think about how it would put them in their place such that they were the only idiots edit warring over how to spell a word? And, to boot, they would be responsible for stupid spellings of words on Wikpedia pages. Also, we have states bigger than their entire dying country. Fuck them.

To the Brits: I challenge you to never rever this article over the spelling of the word colour. Think about how blimey stupid those yanks will feel - like someone shoved a loorie up their bum, when it turns out that they were the only idiots edit warring over how to spell a word? And, to boot, they would be responsible for stupid spellings of words on Wikipedia pages. Also, Keira Knightley vs. Lindsay Lohan. Fuck them. Hipocrite - « Talk » 22:01, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

 * The problem with these arguments is that they presume that both sides here are much motived by national chauvinism. I'm not, and I actually haven't seen real evidence that the other side is either. (The fact that I was personally attacked on the presumption that I was motivated by chauvinism does not prove that the attacker was a counter-chauvinists.) —SlamDiego 01:50, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

 * What's a loorie? or am I better off not knowing?  Jimfbleak . talk . 06:55, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

 * A truck? I think I butchered the spelling.Hipocrite - « Talk » 12:30, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

 * You meant “lorry”. Actually, the British use for motorized truck is uncommon in America, but here it is used to refer to sorts of wagons and rail cars. —SlamDiego 18:49, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

 * I had thought that it might have been a typo for "lourie", an unmotorised bird, but that seemed improbable given that this is a South African usage. Mind you, the bird wouldn't be quite so painful.  Jimfbleak . talk . 06:52, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Surely a confrontation with a motorized bird would be more awful. —SlamDiego 21:00, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Anyone who edit wars to change the spelling against established policy must be motivated by something. The idea of "most common spelling" would mean that Wikipedia would default to Indian English, since there are probably more English speakers in the subcontinent than anywhere else in the world.  In the case of a family of birds that is found in over a dozen English-speaking countries (all but one of which spell the word "colour"), there's no reason to weight population more than number of countries.  In the absence of any overwhelming rationale to associate the family of birds with one country with one system of spelling, changing the stable spelling amounts to a violation of policy on national varieties of English.  Guettarda 18:39, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Assessment
I gave it this rating because I don't think it has that much material that would put it above a start class, for this article it probably doesn't have the potential. Cynops 13:57, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Why the silly food fight?
The first comment referred to the quality of the article, that is, HOW MUCH INFORMATION DOES IT CONTAIN? Are so many users committed to "winning" a childish playground argument about spelling, rather than helping us educate each other about Cardinals? If I lived in Windsor, ON, a twenty minute drive from here, I would "capitalise", but since I am in Detroit, I "capitalize." In Michigan we have a Department of Labor, in Ontario it is the Ministry of Labour, but what the HELL is the difference, since neither of them are of any earthly use to me?

I came to this page after learning about the American Robin, turdis migratorius.. I would refer everyone commenting on this page to read the American Robin page, and use it as the gold standard for how much one can learn from it. It would take anyone with an I.Q. above 85 several hours to read and digest. There are many videos of adult Robins, male, female, eggs, hatchlings and fledglings. There is even one that plays the boy Robin's song.

I can whistle the Cardinal song. It is often the wake-up call that I do NOT get from a cock, since the neighbours do not like them, (or pigs), in the city. Having heard many foraging pairs working my yard. I sometimes whistle to the bloke and sometimes he answers with a message that probably means, "The missus and I are working, YOU pipe down!"

I am 60 years old, and have been watching, (and learning from), birds as long as I can remember. Some of my earliest memories are throwing bread crumbs on the lawn to feed them. A few years ago I saw a juvenile cardinal in a shrub next to my house. The poor little critter looked quite troubled, so I rang my librarian friend. Lillian was a birder, but she could not identify this little critter's problem, but she told me to ring up the local Audibon line. The Audibon lady told me not to worry about the little one, cardinals fledge this time of year and if I looked, I would see the adult that was watching over the young one. I looked on the peak of the garage, and sure enough, there was Dad! I was aware that they tend to be territorial, so when the time came, Mum and Pappa said, "We love you, but it's time to go make your own way in the world."

The other day my dog chased a junior bird out of the back-yard tall weeds onto the driveway. Daddy Robin embarked on furious kamikaze-like attempts to dive-bomb a hole into my dog's skull, so I had to twist Zeke's collar and drag all eighty pounds of him into the house. Pappa took a couple of close near-attacks at me as well. Although we heard a lot of bird fuss in the back, we made Zeke stay inside, even though he was obsessed with fulfilling his doggie job-description by going out and finishing his meal.

Over the last couple of days, I watched Dad train Junior to avoid other predators, and hunt for worms, insects and berries. I saw the two of them foraging on the lawn across the street. We have had so little rain this year that I believe they found very little, so I put our irrigation sprinkler on our brown lawn for a few hours, even though we can hardly afford the water bill. As a family, we have committed to wash our clothes and bodies less, and with this mild summer, (and a broken washing machine), that is not a terrible sacrifice.

But other than the initial complaint about the poor quality of the Cardinal article, I have seen no effort at improving it, so why don't we just forget the whole thing. I have a lot more fun watching birds than arguing about how to spell.--W8IMP 06:07, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Changing main cardinal image?
The current image being used for this article (the male northern Cardinal at the top of the page) could possibly use being replaced with something else, since it's not exactly the best quality. Here's a good representative, higher-quality picture of a male cardinal from Wikimedia Commons that I thought might be better pic to use: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Northern_Cardinal_Male-27527.jpg

I think it'd be beneficial if the current image was replaced with something else (like the one I linked above), since it's somewhat dim and actually appears that the bird is darker than it really is. What do you all think about that? Or is there some reason why a different image can't be used that I don't know about? Thanks for the feedback! JamieS93 (talk) 19:30, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Tried to add reference but it deleted a whole section
I added a sentence about the cardinal being the state bird and then tried to add the reference. When I added the reference, I failed to do the preview page and saved it. I then noticed that it had deleted everything below the reference I added. So, I went back in to undo the change so the information below would reappear. In spite of my best efforts, I have not been able to add the reference without it deleting what is below.

Here is the reference that goes to the sentence about the cardinal being the state bird of various states: —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mojomama (talk • contribs) 13:45, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * TravelinSista added it in for you, but that ref should go in the red cardinal article instead, so it was removed. - M0rphzone (talk) 05:12, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

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How many species
Does anyone know how many species are in this family? User:AustinRedd007

Shall we move the page title to "Cardinalidae" or "Cardinalid"?
Hi! I am in the current process of adding more info for this family. I was wondering if it makes more sense to move the title to either Cardinalidae or Cardinalid, as it is confusing vernacular-wise to refer all species as cardinals. It makes more sense to have "Cardinal (bird)" refer to just strictly the genus Cardinalis or at least a page discussing cardinal is a form taxon discussing Cardinalis and Paroaria. 4444hhhh (talk) 04:52, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * This a typical problem when following Wikipedia guidelines to use common names for biological taxa articles. Vernacular names aren't precisely defined or atuned to evolutionary biology. I think it would be better to always use the family name for article titles on biological families. One could argue that cardinal sensu lato applies to the whole family, just as tanagers is often used for the family Thraupidae, although the IOC describe the family contents as "Cardinals, grosbeaks and “tanager” allies" and "Tanagers and allies". If the move is made to Cardinalis it might affect a lot of links to the page, so Cardinal (bird) might be best as a disambiguation change. The same could be said for tanagers and some other bird names (finches etc). Perhaps a broader discussion at the project page is warranted. —  Jts1882 | talk 08:03, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Which is what I meant as Cardinal (bird) as form taxon page be a disambiguation change. I do agree WikiArticles on clades should be the clade name, not what the vernacular name may be. 4444hhhh (talk) 22:36, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The WP:COMMONNAME of this bird is the "Cardinal". I'd hesitate to move the page. —  Red-tailed hawk (nest) 15:41, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * That's the problem, though. The vast majority of the birds in this family are not called cardinals. That term is used as the common name (in both the Wikipedia and general sense) only for the trio of species in the genus Cardinalis. The current title is inappropriate for the taxonomic level covered by the article. If this article were at Cardinalidae and Cardinal (bird) were a redirect pinging to it, I would without hesitation retarget that redirect at the genus article. The family article should be at the family name. oknazevad (talk) 18:49, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Chiming in a few months later, but I concur with moving this article to the family name as most readers searching for the term "cardinal" in reference to the bird(s) who land here because "Cardinal (bird)" pops up in the search box are probably looking specifically for the northern cardinal or at the most the Cardinalis genus. Especially since of all the birds in the family taxon, only the three in that genus are actually called "cardinal" in their common names. It's just not a good use of the common name term to point to this high of a taxon. oknazevad (talk) 21:45, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 24 June 2023

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – Material  Works  16:13, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Cardinal (bird) → Cardinalidae – As discussed above, the use of common name "Cardinal" for this high of a taxon is poor, as only three species (well, two and a third sometimes) actually have the word "Cardinal" in their name, and those three are all in the same genus. Readers searching for this title are unlikely looking for this high level of a taxon. The article should be moved to the actual family name, and cardinal (bird) should redirect to the genus Cardinalis. oknazevad (talk) 15:18, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose per common name for the birds pictured on the page. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:37, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Only two of the pictures on the page have a common name containing "cardinal", and both of those are images of the same species. oknazevad (talk) 21:00, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

 * Support Nothing supports associating the title "Cardinal (bird)" with the subject of this article (the taxonomic family that includes the northern cardinal). The title is fundamentally misleading and makes it more difficult for readers to find the information they are looking for. As far as I can tell, none of the sources in the article use the term "cardinal" to refer to the family (a few use "cardinals and allies" or "cardinals, grosbreaks and (tanager) allies"). The title completely fails the criteria of PRECISION and NATURALNESS. It's not CONSISTENT with the (scientific name) titles used for other bird families where there is no vernacular name that refers to every species in the family. Following a move, I'd suggest retargetting "cardinal (bird)" to the disambiguation page cardinal. There are other birds called cardinals in the family Thraupidae: the 6 species in the genus Paroaria and the yellow cardinal. If there is a primary topic for "cardinal (bird)", it's northern cardinal, which is usually just referred to as "cardinal" and is an incredibly iconic species with a very wide distribution in an English speaking country (the only other "cardinal" occurring in an English speaking country is the desert cardinal, and it's restricted to the border regions of the SW US). However, if "cardinal (bird)" redirects to the disambiguation page, incoming links can be refined to a more precise article (I expect almost all of the incoming links intend "northern cardinal"). Plantdrew (talk) 19:59, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

 * Support family name is unambiguous.
 * Hemiauchenia (talk) 00:31, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

 * Support move to family name and redirecting Cardinal (bird) to the disambiguation. SilverTiger12 (talk) 15:47, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment I vaguely remember reading about using a scientific name over the common name when the latter needs disambiguation. I can't find documentation for this, though. If correct it would be another reason to support the move. —  Jts1882 | talk 20:36, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * , I don't think that's documented as a practice, but there were requested moves at Talk:Psophia (from "Trumpeter (bird)") and Talk:Thymallus thymallus (from "Grayling (species)" (which was still ambiguous with other entries at grayling)) that resulted in a scientific name title over a disambiguated vernacular name. And Talk:Coraciidae had a move proposal that started with moving it from "roller" to "roller (bird)" and resulted in a scientific name title. Plantdrew (talk) 21:29, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, I said I vaguely remember something. I was probably confusing some discussion like those. And the move doesn't need such reasoning. —  Jts1882 | talk 06:04, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

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 * Support The stated reason for the move is clear. Its a family of tanagers, gosbeaks and a few cardinals. The title doesn't match the content properly . — <span style="font-family:Arial;background:#d6ffe6;border:solid 1px;border-radius:5px;box-shadow:darkcyan 0px 1px 1px;"> Jts1882 | talk 06:04, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

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It's the End of the World as We Know It (And I Feel Fine)

"It's the End of the World as We Know It (And I Feel Fine)" is a song by American rock band R.E.M., which first appeared on their 1987 album, Document. It was released as the album's second single in November 1987, reaching No. 69 in the US Billboard Hot 100 and later reaching No. 39 on the UK Singles Chart on its re-release in December 1991.

Lyrics
The track is known for its quick-flying, seemingly stream of consciousness rant with many diverse references, such as a quartet of individuals with the initials "L.B.": Leonard Bernstein, Leonid Brezhnev, Lenny Bruce, and Lester Bangs. In a 1990s interview with Musician magazine, R.E.M.'s lead singer Michael Stipe claimed that the "L.B." references came from a dream he had in which he found himself at a party surrounded by famous people who all shared those initials. "The words come from everywhere," Stipe explained to Q in 1992. "I'm extremely aware of everything around me, whether I am in a sleeping state, awake, dream-state or just in day to day life, so that ended up in the song along with a lot of stuff I'd seen when I was flipping TV channels. It's a collection of streams of consciousness."

The song originated from a previously unreleased song called "PSA" ("Public Service Announcement"); the two are very similar in melody and tempo. "PSA" was itself later reworked and released as a single in 2003, under the title "Bad Day". In an interview with Guitar World magazine published in November 1996, R.E.M. guitarist Peter Buck agreed that "End of the World" was in the tradition of Bob Dylan's "Subterranean Homesick Blues".

The song was included on the 2001 Clear Channel memorandum of songs thought to be "lyrically questionable" after the September 11 terrorist attacks.

Reception
Cash Box said that "Overdriven guitars push this blazing rock ode to the modern calamity. A high energy AOR smash with R.E.M.'s unique stamp of disapproval."

Chart performance
In 1992, the song was played repeatedly for a 24-hour period (with brief promos interspersed) to introduce the new format for WENZ 107.9 FM "The End", a radio station in Cleveland, Ohio. When the station underwent a new format change to mainstream urban on May 14, 1999, they again played the song in 24-hour loop. There was a documentary film made about the station entitled The End of the World As We Knew It, released in 2009, which featured many of the former staffers and jocks.

The song was featured in several satirical videos on YouTube, in connection with the prediction of radio pastor Harold Camping of Family Radio, that the world would end on May 21, 2011; the song was later played on a loop following the sale of Family Radio station WKDN (now WKVP) in Philadelphia prior to a format change on that station. Also, before the supposed Mayan apocalypse on December 21, 2012, sales for the song jumped from 3,000 to 19,000 copies for the week. Alternative radio station CFEX-FM in Calgary, Canada, stunted by playing the song all day on December 21, 2012, interspersed with "Get to Know a Mayan" and "Apocalypse Survival Tips" segments.

Amid the global COVID-19 pandemic, the song received an increase in downloads and streaming in March 2020 alongside other apocalypse- and sickness-themed songs. Online downloads of the song rose 184 percent, while streams rose 48 percent.

Music video
The music video was directed by James Herbert, who worked with the band on several other videos in the late 1980s. It depicts a teenage skateboarder, Noah Ray, in a cluttered room of an abandoned, half-collapsed farmhouse. As he rummages through the junk, including several band pictures and flyers, he shows off various toys and items to the camera and plays with a dog that wanders into the house. As the video ends, he removes his shirt and starts performing skateboard tricks while still inside the room.

According to Herbert, the dog's appearance in the video was entirely unscripted, something he was quite happy with. Over three decades after the video's release, he said, "I wanted the distortions and the magic that can come just out of spontaneous combustion."

Initial release

 * 7": IRS IRM 145 (UK):
 * 1) "It's the End of the World as We Know It (And I Feel Fine)"  – 2:59
 * 2) "This One Goes Out" (live acoustic version of "The One I Love") – 4:19

 * 7": IRS IRS-53220 (US); cassette: IRS IRSC-53220:
 * 1) "It's the End of the World as We Know It (And I Feel Fine)"  – 3:29
 * 2) "Last Date" (Floyd Cramer cover) – 2:13
 * The single edit on US & Canadian releases removes about 23 seconds of audio at 0:21. Two edits were released, the first with "you" before "vitriolic, patriotic" and the second with "height" (possibly "high").

 * 12": IRS IRMT 145 (UK):
 * 1) "It's the End of the World as We Know It (And I Feel Fine)" – 4:04
 * 2) "This One Goes Out" (live acoustic version of "The One I Love") – 4:19
 * 3) "Maps and Legends" (live acoustic)

 * 12" Promo: IRS 7363 (US):
 * 1) "It's the End of the World as We Know It (And I Feel Fine)" – 4:04
 * 2) "Disturbance at the Heron House (Live from cassette 5.24.87 McCabes Guitar Shop)" – 3:41

Re-issue

 * CD: IRS DIRMT 180:
 * 1) "It's the End of the World as We Know It (And I Feel Fine)" – 4:04
 * 2) "Radio Free Europe" – 4:03
 * 3) "The One I Love" (Live Acoustic) – 4:19

 * CD: IRS DIRMX 180:
 * 1) "It's the End of the World as We Know It (And I Feel Fine)" – 4:04
 * 2) "Radio Free Europe" (Hib-Tone version) – 3:46
 * 3) "White Tornado" – 1:59
 * 4) "Last Date" – 2:13

 * "7: IRS IRM 180; cassette: IRS DIRMC 180:
 * 1) "It's the End of the World as We Know It (And I Feel Fine)"
 * 2) "Radio Free Europe"

Personnel
R.E.M.
 * Bill Berry – drums, backing vocals
 * Peter Buck – guitar
 * Mike Mills – bass guitar, piano, backing vocals
 * Michael Stipe – lead vocals

Cover versions

 * Vic Chesnutt, a folk singer discovered by R.E.M.'s Michael Stipe, recorded a very loose cover of the song for the 1992 R.E.M. tribute album Surprise Your Pig.
 * Newfoundland folk-rockers Great Big Sea covered the song on their 1997 album Play under the title "End of the World". Their version is a minute and a half shorter than R.E.M.'s, yet still contains all the verses (the faster time is achieved primarily by their increasing the tempo). It peaked at #24 on the Canadian Singles Chart on the week of April 6, 1998.
 * DC Talk covered a 7 minute and 18 second version of the song with a rap medley bridge and band introduction on their 1997 live album, Welcome to the Freak Show. A shorter, 2 minute and 12 second rendition also appears on the 10th anniversary edition of their album Jesus Freak.
 * The Suicide Machines covered the song for their 2001 release Steal This Record.
 * American actress America Ferrera covered the song during episode "Blackout!" of ABC television series Ugly Betty.
 * On May 21, 2011, in preparation for the apparent 2011 end times prediction, the song was covered by Matt Nathanson, Sugarland, and Little Big Town in Holmdel, New Jersey, and Bon Jovi did a separate cover in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
 * Orange County ska punk band Starpool released a cover of the song as a digital download on December 21, 2012.
 * In 2011, Chris Carrabba of Dashboard Confessional covered this song on his album Covered In The Flood.
 * Peter Buffett covered the song and released it on December 21, 2012.
 * Italian rocker and songwriter Luciano Ligabue covered the song and released it on his fourth album A che ora è la fine del mondo? (1994)
 * American duo Pomplamoose, alongside British artist dodie and Maddie Poppe, covered the song and released it during the COVID-19 pandemic (2020). It was recorded in their homes, as a result of the social distancing measures imposed around the world.


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Niko Kranjčar

Niko Kranjčar (born 13 August 1984) is a Croatian former professional footballer. He primarily played as an attacking midfielder, but could also operate as a winger or second striker. As of 5 May 2021, he works as an assistant to Josip Šimunić at the Croatia national under-19 team.

He has played with clubs in his homeland, playing for Dinamo Zagreb before sparking controversy by making a move to their fierce rivals Hajduk Split in January 2005. A transfer to England with Portsmouth soon followed in August 2006, and after several years of attempting to hold on to their key players,  Portsmouth decided to sell him at the start of the 2009–10 season, opening the way for a move to Tottenham in September 2009, where he was reunited with his former manager at Portsmouth, Harry Redknapp. He moved on to Ukrainian side Dynamo Kyiv in 2012, where he spent a two-year period on loan at Queens Park Rangers, reuniting with Redknapp for a third time. He finished his career with brief spells in the United States with New York Cosmos and Scotland with Rangers before retiring in 2018.

Hailed as the next Robert Prosinečki, Kranjčar was given his international debut by his father Zlatko in August 2004, and went on to represent his country at the 2006 FIFA World Cup, UEFA Euro 2008 and UEFA Euro 2012. In total he won 81 caps for the Croatia national team, scoring 16 goals in the process. His final match for the national team was on 15 October 2013, as he missed the 2014 FIFA World Cup because of a leg injury.

Early life
Kranjčar is the son of former Dinamo Zagreb and Rapid Vienna forward Zlatko and he spent his childhood years in Austria, where his father was playing. Therefore, he holds an Austrian passport and this qualified him as a European Union player prior to the enlargement of the EU and Croatia's admission in 2013.

Dinamo Zagreb
Kranjčar spent most of his youth playing for Dinamo Zagreb, and later, at the age of 17, became the youngest captain of the squad for the first time. He also became one of the youngest goalscorers in the Prva HNL as he scored on his league debut for Dinamo at the age of 16 before helping them win the double of a Croatian cup and a league title in 2003 and then the Croatian cup again the following season. Such abilities and assistance led him to become a fan favorite, he began to receive comparison to French football legend Zinedine Zidane.

Hajduk Split
In January 2005, Kranjčar experienced a disagreement with the Dinamo Zagreb management, which led to a surprise transfer to Dinamo's biggest rivals, Hajduk Split, which was accomplished thanks to Hajduk's sporting director Igor Štimac for a reported fee of €1.88 million. Over 10,000 people came to his official unveiling at the Poljud stadium.

Kranjčar made his league debut for Hajduk on 26 February 2005 in a 2–2 draw against Osijek. He scored his first goal for Hajduk on 23 April 2005 at Poljud in a 5–1 victory against NK Inter. He scored his second goal in the decisive 6–0 victory against Varteks on 28 May 2005.

Kranjčar helped Hajduk win the 2004–05 Prva HNL which was their 2nd league trophy in a row. Thanks to his fine games and good sportmenship, Kranjčar became the fans' favourite player instantly. Despite having a lot of international offers from abroad, he decided to stay at Hajduk for the next season. In the 2005–06 Prva HNL he was Hajduk's top goalscorer, with 10 goals.

After the 2006 World Cup, the world press hailed Kranjčar for his talents, and several clubs immediately showed interest in the young star. Among such clubs were Stade Rennais and the Spanish Club Celta Vigo. In August 2006, Rennes bid €4.5 million for Kranjčar, which Hajduk rejected, stating they felt they should get more for the player. Later on the same day, however, Kranjčar then moved for a reported £3.5 million (€5.2 million) to Portsmouth on 31 August 2006.

Portsmouth
Kranjčar made his Premier League debut for Portsmouth on 1 October 2006 as he played all 90 minutes in their 2–1 away defeat to Tottenham Hotspur. He scored his first Premier League goal on 31 March 2007 at Fulham, giving Portsmouth an early 1–0 lead in a match that eventually ended in a 1–1 draw. He made a total of 24 appearances and scored two goals in his first Premier League season. The following season, he played an integral role in Portsmouth's FA Cup win.

At the beginning of the 2008–09 season, AS Monaco apparently had a bid of £12 million rejected for Kranjčar, however this was denied by Monaco. On 12 February 2009, with Portsmouth battling relegation, Kranjčar publicly declared his desire to quit Portsmouth and move to a bigger club. Arsenal and AS Monaco have previously been linked with moves for the Croatian International. In August, Kranjčar stated: "For now I am staying, but we have not strengthened like I would have liked us to. That's why I will not sign a new contract. It's one more season for me and then I'm off".

Tottenham Hotspur
On 1 September 2009, Kranjčar joined Tottenham Hotspur from Portsmouth after the two clubs agreed a transfer fee of around £2.5 million, although the actual price was undisclosed. The deal was completed just before the transfer deadline passed with him signing a four-year contract. It was reported that Everton had made a late bid to sign Kranjčar, but the player opted to sign for Spurs, stating that: "Everton is also a big club but, in the end, the tradition and greatness of Tottenham made the difference. I also knew manager Harry Redknapp, and Luka Modrić and Vedran Ćorluka told me great things about the club". Kranjčar made his debut for Tottenham as a substitute in the 3–1 defeat to Manchester United at home. On 26 September 2009, Kranjčar made his first Premier League start for Tottenham in a 5–0 home thrashing of Burnley. He scored his first goal for the club in a Premier League match away to Bolton Wanderers on 4 October 2009. On 22 November 2009, Kranjčar scored for Tottenham in a 9–1 home thrashing of Wigan Athletic, with Jermain Defoe scoring a record equalling five. On 16 December 2009, Kranjčar grabbed a brace in a 3–0 home victory over Manchester City. On 20 March 2010, Kranjčar scored the winning goal in a 1–2 away victory over Stoke City. Kranjčar has found difficulty being chosen in starting line-ups, due to the rise in prominence of Gareth Bale, who also plays in his position. However Kranjčar continued to make a pivotal contribution to the season scoring late winning goals in two consecutive matches, coming on as a substitute against Bolton Wanderers in a 2–1 victory at White Hart Lane, and away to Sunderland in another 2–1 victory. In the beginning of the 2011–12 season, Kranjčar scored a 35-yard goal during a pre-season friendly, a 5–3 win against Milton Keynes Dons.

Dynamo Kyiv
On 6 June 2012, Ukrainian club Dynamo Kyiv confirmed the signing of Niko Kranjčar on a four-year contract. The transfer fee was estimated to be about £5.5 million. After his move to Dynamo Kyiv, Niko Kranjčar says he is "happy" and satisfied" of joining Dynamo Kyiv and does admits his time at Tottenham was ‘disappointing’. Kranjčar revealed that Dynamo Kyiv first took interest in signing him in 2003 during his time at Dinamo Zagreb. He scored twice on Matchday 5 against Volyn Lutsk. He scored another two goals against Karpaty Lviv on 14 September 2012. After having a good beginning of the season, in November Kranjčar felt an old ankle injury, which left him out of the game until the end of the year. He came back just in time for the second half of the season, after the winter break, but managed to make only two appearances before he got injured again while performing for the Croatia national team in March 2013. This time he was left out of the pitch until the end of the season.

After spending 2 years on loan at Queens Park Rangers from 2013 to 2015, Kranjčar returned to Dynamo Kyiv's first team.

Queens Park Rangers (loan)
On 2 September 2013, Kranjčar joined Queens Park Rangers on a season long loan to unite with his former boss Harry Redknapp, who signed two other players from former club Tottenham Hotspur. This was the third time Redknapp signed Kranjčar, having previously worked with him at Portsmouth and Tottenham. After a groin problem delayed his debut, Kranjčar made his first appearance for his new club against Yeovil Town, coming on as a second halftime substitute. He made his full debut before the Loftus Road crowd against Middlesbrough in late September 2013. Kranjčar scored his first goal of the season in the match against Millwall, when he also made his first assist of the season and was voted "Man of the Match". In January 2014 he scored once again to give QPR a 1–0 lead against Ipswich Town. He left the club on 1 July 2014 following the expiration of his loan, but returned on the last day of the summer transfer window on 1 September 2014 for another season-long loan.

New York Cosmos
After being released by Dinamo Kyiv, he went to USA and trained with Cosmos. However, he could not be a part of the squad due to foreign players' rule. In the middle of the March 2016, when one of the foreign players obtained American citizenship, Kranjčar finally signed for Cosmos.

Rangers
On 23 June 2016, Kranjčar signed for Rangers of the Scottish Premiership on a two-year deal, stating that it was a "big honour and privilege" and a "big responsibility" to be joining a club of such size. He made his debut for the club in a League Cup match against Motherwell on 16 July. and made his first start, three days later against Annan Athletic. Kranjčar scored his first goal for the club on 25 July, netting the third in a 3–0 win over Stranraer and netted his first league goal in a 2–0 win over Partick Thistle on 1 October. Kranjčar suffered a cruciate ligament injury in early October which would sideline him for the rest of the season. In January 2017, Kranjčar spoke about the progress of his rehabilitation and estimated a return in six-months; although he did acknowledge the severity of the injury could have led to him retiring. He made his return to competitive first-team action after eight months out, against Progrès Niederkorn in the Europa League on 29 June 2017. Kranjčar was released by the club on 23 March 2018, after struggling with injury throughout his spell in Glasgow.

International career
Kranjčar was previously a part of the Croatia national Under-16, Under-17, Under-19 and Under-21 teams before advancing to the senior national team. His senior debut for Croatia came on 18 August 2004 in a friendly match against Israel. He was a regular for Croatia during their qualifying campaign for the 2006 World Cup, making nine appearances and scoring two goals, including a brilliant single effort against Bulgaria. Niko was then chosen for "Young guns firing for World Cup glory" on eurosport.com with some of the greatest talents in the world, such as Lionel Messi, Lukas Podolski and future Pompey teammate Sulley Muntari. He went on to play in all of Croatia's three group stage matches at the final tournament, proving to be a prestigious player for his impressive performances.

With the departure of his father as national team manager, Kranjčar became a regular for Croatia in their qualifying campaign for Euro 2008, having appeared in all 12 matches and scoring two goals. The most famous of such was his long range opener for Croatia during their final match away to England. Croatia eventually won the game 3–2, resulting in England's failure to qualify for the final tournament. He then scored in a friendly match against Scotland with a spectacular effort from just inside the penalty area in a match played that ended 1–1, the equalising goal coming from Kenny Miller. He was a part of the Croatia team in Euro 2008 tournament, being a starter in 2 group match games and quarter-final game against Turkey. In Croatia's campaign for the 2010 World Cup he scored a goal against Kazakhstan. He was included in Croatia's 23-man squad for Euro 2012 and played in two out of three group stage games, missing only the last game against Spain. He missed the 2014 FIFA World Cup due to hamstring injury and since then, he has not received a single call-up for any of the national team's future matches. His last international game was on 15 October 2013.

Personal life
Kranjčar is the son of Croatian footballer and manager Zlatko Kranjčar. He was married to Simona Fistrić and the couple lived in Cuffley, Hertfordshire. Fistrić gave birth on 7 March 2011 to a baby girl by the name of Loree. However, Kranjčar and Fistrić divorced less than a year after Loree's birth. He is currently in a relationship with actress Zrinka Cvitešić.

International

 * Scores and results list Croatia's goal tally first, score column indicates score after each Kranjčar goal.

Honours
Dinamo Zagreb
 * Croatian First Football League: 2002–03
 * Croatian Cup: 2000–01, 2001–02, 2003–04
 * Croatian Supercup: 2002, 2003

Hajduk Split
 * Croatian First Football League: 2004–05
 * Croatian Supercup: 2005

Portsmouth
 * FA Cup: 2007–08

Queens Park Rangers
 * Championship play-offs: 2014

Individual
 * Croatian Football Hope of the Year: 2002
 * Prva HNL Player of the Year: 2003, 2005
 * HNL’s Footballer of the Year: 2003
 * SN Yellow Shirt Award: 2004

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Darragi
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 * No claim to notability, though that may be the article's fault. Still, delete. --W(t) 01:20, 2005 May 29 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable, vanity. Megan1967 04:38, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

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Richard Worsam Meade II

Captain Richard Worsam Meade II (21 May 1807 – 16 April 1870) was an American naval officer. He was also called Richard Worsam Meade, Sr. to distinguish him from his son, Rear Admiral Richard Worsam Meade III.

Life and career
Meade was born in Cádiz, Spain, on 21 May 1807, to American parents, Richard Worsam Meade I and his wife Margaret Coats Butler Meade.

Meade entered the United States Navy as a midshipman in April 1826, appointed from the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. During the next decade he served on a number of ships, among them the frigate USS Brandywine (1825) during the later 1820s and early 1830s and the sloop-of-war USS St. Louis (1828) in the mid-1830s. He was promoted to lieutenant in December 1837 and subsequently was assigned to the United States Coast Survey, the New York Navy Yard, the steamer USS Fulton (1837), and the store ship USS Erie (1813).

Meade's U.S. Navy service became intermittent in the mid-1840s, with a long period of "waiting orders" broken in 1847 by assignment to the steamer USS Scourge (1846). Meade resigned his commission in December 1851, but was again in U.S. Navy service in 1854–1855 as commanding officer of the steamer USS Massachusetts (1845) in the Pacific Squadron. He once more left the Navy in September 1855.

After the American Civil War broke out in April 1861, Meade returned to active duty in the U.S. Navy with the rank of commander, apparently backdated to September 1855. He commanded the receiving ship USS North Carolina (1820) (an old ship-of-the-line) at New York City until 1864. Promoted to captain in 1864, with the date of rank again apparently backdated, this time to July 1862, he was commanding officer of the steam frigate USS San Jacinto (1850) until she was wrecked in the Bahamas on 1 January 1865.

The war ended in April 1865. After the war, Meade became a member of the Military Order of the Loyal Legion of the United States.

Meade appears to have had no further active employment. He was retired in December 1867 and died at Brooklyn, New York, on 16 April 1870. He is buried in Philadelphia at St. Mary's Roman Catholic Church with his wife and several relatives.

Family
Meade's younger brother was Major General George Gordon Meade, the victor of the Battle of Gettysburg during the American Civil War, and he was the father of Rear Admiral Richard Worsam Meade III.

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Lauren Weisberger

Lauren Weisberger (born March 28, 1977) is an American writer and author of the 2003 bestseller The Devil Wears Prada, a roman à clef of her experience as an assistant to Vogue editor-in-chief Anna Wintour. Weisberger worked as a writer and editor for Vogue and Departures magazines prior to authoring The Devil Wears Prada, which was adapted into a film of the same name in 2006. She has since published seven other novels.

Early life and education
Weisberger was born in Scranton, Pennsylvania to a school teacher mother and a department store president turned mortgage broker father. Her family is Jewish, and she was raised in Conservative Judaism and later Reform Judaism. She spent her early youth in Clarks Summit, Pennsylvania, a small town outside Scranton. At age eleven, her parents divorced and she and her younger sister moved to Allentown, Pennsylvania, in the Lehigh Valley region of the state, with their mother.

She attended Parkland High School in South Whitehall Township near Allentown, where she was involved in intramural sports, some competitive sports, extra projects, and organizations. She graduated from Parkland High School in 1995 and attended Cornell University in Ithaca, New York, where she was an English major, a sorority member of Alpha Epsilon Phi, and graduated in 1999.

After graduating from Cornell University, Weisberger backpacked through much of Europe, the Middle East, and Asia, including Egypt, Hong Kong, India, Israel, Jordan, Nepal, and Thailand.

Vogue magazine
After returning to the United States following her backpacking expedition, Weisberger settled in Manhattan, where she was hired as assistant to Vogue editor Anna Wintour. After ten months, she and Vogue features editor Richard Story left the magazine. Weisberger said she felt out of place at the magazine, though Vogue managing editor Laurie Jones later said, "She seemed to be a perfectly happy, lovely woman".

Departures magazine
Weisberger and Story began working for Departures, an American Express publication, where she wrote 100-word reviews and became an assistant editor. She also published a 2004 article in Playboy magazine.

After mentioning her interest in writing classes to Story, he referred her to his friend Charles Salzberg. She started writing a story about her time at Vogue, and completed it by trying to write 15 pages every couple of weeks. After repeated urgings, she showed the finished work to agents; it sold within two weeks.

The Devil Wears Prada
Weisberger's first book, The Devil Wears Prada, was published by Broadway Books in 2003; it spent six months on The New York Times Best Seller List. By July 2006, The Devil Wears Prada was the best-selling mass-market softcover book in the nation, according to Publishers Weekly.

The Devil Wears Prada is a semi-fictional but highly critical book on the Manhattan elite, and is largely based on Weisberger's experience at Vogue magazine. The book's primary character Miranda Priestly is believed to represent Wintour and the fictional Elias-Clark publishing company in the book is believed to be modeled on Condé Nast. The book focuses on many comical aspects of a first job in the world of elite fashion.

While commercially successful, the book was not well received at Vogue. Kate Betts, a Vogue editor, criticized Weisberger and the book in The New York Times, writing that Weisberger and Wintour are actually the direct counterparts of their fictional characters. "Andrea is just as much a snob as the snobs she is thrown in with," Betts wrote in April 2003.

Film
Film rights to The Devil Wears Prada were acquired by 20th Century Fox, which released a movie of the same name in June 2006, starring Meryl Streep (as Miranda Priestly) and Anne Hathaway (as Andrea Sachs). The film grossed $27.5 million in its opening weekend, and amassed U.S. sales of nearly $125 million and worldwide sales of $326 million, making it one of the top-grossing films of summer 2006.

The film departs from the book in several ways. For example, in the film, Andrea is a graduate of Northwestern University; in the book, she is a graduate of Brown University. The film depicts Miranda asking Andrea to accompany her to Paris when a colleague falls ill. The book, however, has Emily catching mono and being unable to go with Miranda. In the book, Andrea's best friend Lily is an alcoholic who gets into a car crash, leaving Andrea to decide whether to stay with Miranda in Paris or return to assist her friend. The movie does not include any of these details and ends with Andrea and Miranda parting in Paris but viewing each other with mutual respect. In the book, however, Andrea curses Miranda to her face and is consequently fired.

Weisberger made a brief cameo in the film as the twins' nanny.

Television
In October 2006, Fox acquired the television rights to the book, though the series was ultimately never developed.

Everyone Worth Knowing
Weisberger secured a $1 million advance from Simon & Schuster for her second novel, Everyone Worth Knowing, which based on the trials and tribulations of the New York City public relations world; the book was published in fall 2005. It received generally unfavorable reviews. The New York Times Book Review described it as "fatuous, clunky." USA Today called it "lackluster imitation" and Entertainment Weekly said it was a "ho-hum rehash" of The Devil Wears Prada. It debuted on The New York Times Best Sellers List at No. 10, but dropped off the list in two weeks and was ultimately noted for disappointing sales. The audio book was read by actress Eliza Dushku. In some European countries, the novel was released under the separate title Gossip and Gucci.

Chasing Harry Winston
Chasing Harry Winston, Weisberger's third novel, was released May 27, 2008 and on May 19, 2008 in the United Kingdom. The book's main characters are three best friends in New York City, Emmy, Adriana, and Leigh, who are facing fears with turning 30. Recently dumped Emmy promises to make a drastic change and find guys from every continent for casual affairs. Beautiful Brazilian Adriana tries to leave her old lifestyle of sleeping around and living off her father to get a Harry Winston ring on her finger before her first wrinkles begin showing. Leigh, the one with the perfect life, does not know what she needs in order to be happy and relax.

In September 2008, Universal Pictures secured rights to the book, and it was translated into French, Dutch, and Italian. In some European countries, the novel was released under the separate title Chanel Chic. In Italy, the title is Un anello da Tiffany & Co (A ring from Tiffany & Co). In France, the title is Sexe, diamants et plus si affinités (Sex, Diamonds, and maybe more...)

The book was panned by critics and was voted "#1 Worst Book of 2008" by Entertainment Weekly.

Last Night at Chateau Marmont
Last Night at Chateau Marmont was released in August 2010. It debuted at No. 9 on The New York Times'' Bestseller List on September 5, 2010.

Revenge Wears Prada
Revenge Wears Prada, a sequel to The Devil Wears Prada, was released on June 4, 2013 and debuted at No. 3 on The New York Times Bestseller List.

The Singles Game
The Singles Game was released in 2016.

When Life Gives You Lululemons
When Life Gives You Lululemons, a second sequel to The Devil Wears Prada, was released in 2018. It follows the character of Emily Charlton, Miranda's Priestly's assistant played by Emily Blunt in the movie adaptation. This book has also been published under the title The Wives.

Where the Grass Is Green and the Girls Are Pretty
Where the Grass Is Green and the Girls Are Pretty was released in May 2021. This book has also been published as a paperback in the United Kingdom and Ireland under the title One Little Lie.

Short stories
Her short story "The Bamboo Confessions" is included in the anthology American Girls About Town. It is about a New York City backpacker who travels around the world and, in so doing, begins to view her love life back home in a different light.

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Skyscrapers in North Korea.

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Voltage?
What voltage do they operate at? I'm thinking about safety, if a tall person should reach up and short-circuit themselves. AC or DC? (I know they spark a lot, at least at the top connection.) Shouldn't that be in the article? --Hugh7 (talk) 09:34, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Untitled
at least in the uk most bumper cars i've seen have been just a rectangular area not a track of any kind. Plugwash 20:59, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

lucky 74.37.228.44 (talk) 08:48, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

This is what I know of the USA also, but admittedly I haven't seen many of the rides since I was a child, and I grew up in a small town so I only saw the small town fair variety. 151.190.0.1 (talk) 12:52, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Online Dodgems Game
An online dodgems game, written in java, can be found here. Up to six players each control a dodgem in order to try and be the last survivor. Dodgems which are not controlled by a human are controlled by the computer.

Question for someone
Does anyone out there know how the cars work? does it affect anything? We all know that they have a single wire that comes out of an upright pole from the back of the car. That wire touches a network of wires that run across the ceiling of the dodgem "room" and that network is obviously connected to an electricity supply. Most of us are of the understanding that for electricity to work you need a circuit - electricity coming in, and going out - but with only one wire, that doesn't fit. Is this an electricity question, more so than a dodgem car question?

 * The answer is that the electricity "goes out" through the metal floor of the dodgem arena - that is the return path. Electric trains and trams that run from overhead lines work on a similar principle. The article mentioned the floor being sprayed with graphite - I imagine this helps with conduction as well as being a lubricant. 220.157.83.87 14:08, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Bumper vs Dodgem
Shouldn't it be pointed out that there's a massive difference between bumber cars and dodgem cars? when riding in dodgem cars your supposed to DODGE people, where's the fun in that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.216.10 (talk) 07:51, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Depends where you are. Here in the UK we tend to call them all dodgems, whether bumping is allowed or not. 81.158.2.195 (talk) 00:58, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Growing up in Lincolnshire in the 1905s, we always called them "bumper cars". --129.67.146.105 (talk) 18:14, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

 * I grew up in the London area, and "dodgem" was the only name I knew for them. Looking on GloWbE (the global database of web-based English) I find the following distributions:

which indicates that "dodgems" is strongly preferred in UK sources. This is what I want to say; but of course this is OR. Anybody think of where I might find a reliable source for that difference? --ColinFine (talk) 22:23, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Dodgem vs Dodgems
Here is a proposed source for the Bumper Cars wiki should it be helpful or relevant. I am a newbie and this is my first entry, my apologies for any breach of policy.

The U. S. Patent and Trademark Office lists the word Dodgem as currently registered under serial number 74580007.

BaconUp (talk) 19:21, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Can lead to multiple micro and undetected concussions ?
Any study that conclude that playing with these bumper cars can lead to multiple and repeated concussions ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.81.156.83 (talk) 04:40, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Any 'study' can 'conclude' anything, these days. Wind-turbines cause cancer as everyone knows, including the President of the USA. And microwave ovens cause birth defects. Also mobile phones and overhead power-lines. Autism is caused by vaccination. And so on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:44B8:3102:BB00:1F0:A8A8:7B90:E94 (talk) 21:12, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

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Intended to be bumped
>Bumper cars were not intended to be bumped, hence the original name "Dodgem."

The citation says that they were called "Dodgem", but not that they weren't intended to be bumped. And, think about it, to dodge 'em, don't 'ey have to be trying to hit you? So it would end up a game of trying to hit, while not being hit, which is actually how bumper cars are played, any time I've been on them. What sort of boring ride would going round safely in circles be? Wouldn't there be a track in that case?

Unless you've got a really good citation, I think it's pretty obvious bumper cars were always for bumping. A dodgem would having nothing to dodge otherwise.

84.68.176.232 (talk) 23:44, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Surely not tin
"Original bumper cars were created out of tin." Really unlikely. Tin is very expensive. They would have used thin sheet iron. (Like cars did, only maybe thinner. Ducting, flashing, or scrap.) Pinstack "5 Surprising Facts About Bumper Cars" may be amusing but sounds more entertaining than authoritative. PRR (talk) 06:02, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Agreed. It looks like early toy bumper cars were made of tin and someone misinterpreted that to apply to full-size cars. Unfortunately, it appears that a number of sources have repeated this information in yet another example of WP:CITOGENESIS. I'm removing this sentence from the page.— JlACEer ( talk ) 15:31, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

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House of Responsibility

The House of Responsibility (HRB) in Braunau am Inn is the idea of establishing an international meeting place and a place of learning in the birth house of Adolf Hitler. People from all countries, backgrounds, religions and cultures should meet in order to discuss, learn and develop projects revolving around the concept of responsibility relating to the dimensions of past, present and future. The main demography shall be young people. The idea for a House of Responsibility originates from the founder of the Gedenkdienst and chairman of the Austrian Service Abroad Dr. Andreas Maislinger.

Conceptual background
The conceptual challenge surrounding the birthplace of Adolf Hitler roots in the fact that the place is neither a “perpetrator’s site”, such as the Obersalzberg, the Brown House or the Reichsparteitagsgelände; nor is it a “victim’s site”, such as Auschwitz, Mauthausen or Hartheim, since Adolf Hitler was merely born in that house and lived there for only two months as an infant. Nothing relating to the Holocaust was ever consciously decided or done in that house.

Nevertheless, the birthplace of Adolf Hitler is a place of symbolic meaning, a symbol of the birth of the Holocaust, for some a symbol for the birth of evil. The challenge posed is how to commemorate a place that merely is a symbol.

The House of Responsibility is about the creation of another symbol, of a counter-symbol with the opposite meaning of what the birth of Adolf Hitler signifies. The House of Responsibility intends and envisions to turn the symbol of the birth of the Holocaust into a symbol of responsibility, learning, peace and creativity while concurrently turning the city of Braunau am Inn into a city representing the same values.

The House of Responsibility would be based on the infrastructure and community of the Austrian Service Abroad and its worldwide partner organizations.

Origins: Braunau sets a sign
After the FPÖ (Austrian Freedom Party) took part in the government under Jörg Haider in early 2000, the "Braunauer Rundschau" (Braunau review) started to collect signatures under the slogan "Braunau setzt ein Zeichen" (Braunau sets a sign). Andreas Maislinger, an Austrian historian and founder of the Gedenkdienst and Braunau Contemporary History Days, reacted on the call and suggested setting up a House of Responsibility in the house where Adolf Hitler was born.

Past – Present – Future
The "Braunau review" presented the idea of Andreas Maislinger on May 4, 2000: (Translated)

"Volunteers from all countries, Austrian Zivildieners and former Austrian Servants Abroad should work and live together in the house. Because of this there should take place a constant exchange of ideas. The 'House of Responsibility' should be something completely new, split into three stories, where the 'unwanted inheritance' and the refurbishment of the background of the NS should take place on the first floor. The second floor will be devoted to the present, and concrete help for people will be offered for example through the Austrian Social Service and also by human rights – and third-world projects. On the third floor ideas for a more peaceful future should be worked out."

Philosophical basis for this project is the book Das Prinzip Verantwortung (The concept responsibility) written by Hans Jonas in 1979.

Realisation
The project couldn't be realized in the following years but the idea of taking responsibility remained. In 2005 the owner of a house close to where Hitler was born offered his house for the project. In 2002 members of the Gedenkdienst remembered the Austrian Righteous Among the Nations in front of Hitler's birth house. In October 2009 mayor Gerhard Skiba argued for the first time in support of a 'House of Peace' or 'House of Responsibility' in Hitler's Birthhouse in Austria's Newspaper Kurier.

In the first half of 2014 the HRB gained increasing support by the public and by acknowledged international organizations such as the Anti-Defamation League in New York, the Auschwitz Jewish Center in Oswiecim, the European Roma Rights Center and the John Rabe and International Safety Zone Memorial Hall in Nanjing.

On June 2 2020 the Austrian Minister of Interior announced plans for the Austrian police to move into the birthplace of Adolf Hitler. The Austrian Service Abroad opposes this decision and lobbies against it.

Supporting individuals

 * Argentina: Erika Rosenberg
 * Austria: Mina Ahadi, Martha Bißmann, Emil Brix, Erhard Busek, Alfred Dorfer, Klaus Eberhartinger, Valie Export, Franz Fischler, Alfred Gusenbauer, Josef Hader, André Heller, Ludwig Laher, Thomas Maurer, Cornelius Obonya, Florian Scheuba, Danielle Spera, Dirk Stermann, Ferdinand Trauttmansdorff
 * Brazil: Alberto Dines
 * China: Pan Guang
 * France: Michel Cullin, Beate Klarsfeld
 * Germany: Aleida Assmann Markus Ferber, Stefan Klein
 * Hungary: György Dalos, Paul Lendvai
 * Israel: Ben Segenreich, Moshe Zimmermann
 * Japan: Sven Saaler
 * New Zealand: Chris Harris
 * Poland: Wladyslaw Bartoszewski
 * Russia: Ilya Altman
 * South Africa: Tali Nates
 * Sweden: Gerald Nagler
 * Switzerland: Beat Wyss
 * Ukraine: Borys Sabarko
 * United Kingdom: Ladislaus Löb
 * United States: Abraham Foxman, Branko Lustig, Jack Kliger

Supporting organizations / institutions

 * Poland Auschwitz Jewish Center
 * USA: Anti-Defamation League
 * Ukraine: Past / Future / Art
 * Belgium: European Roma Rights Center

title: House of Responsibility


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