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Talk:Live 8

List of performers
Like the original Live Aid page, the acts can be re-arranged in order of performance after the concert has happened... --Madchester 18:09, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

I've rearranged the list of performers at each of the show, so that they're in alphabetical order. This is to prevent the list's order from changing too much on a regular basis, and to remove the POV of any act perceived being more popular than another, by moving them to the top of the list. --Madchester 02:20, 16 June 2005 (UTC)

Would it be possible to put a complete alphabetical list of all the participants somewhere? Vanderdecken 19:10, 2 July 2005 (UTC)

Can we have a list of permormers in the order they appeared, along with the compares who introduced each act (e.g. Peter Kay)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.109.110.172 (talk) 15:50, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Redirection?
I've seen Live 8 described as "Live Aid II" in at least one external source...should Live Aid II be created as a redirect? --DXI 22:14, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Ok, but only if include the quote from Geldof that he doesn't want the event to be called Live Aid II. Pcb21| Pete 22:26, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

 * I was going to do a redirect page at Live Aid II when I set up the Live 8 page, but it occurred to me that it is very early days and it seems likely to me that the name Live 8 will become second nature to everybody over the weeks to come (it would be like having a redirect from Beetles to Beatles - I hope there isn't one or that destroys my argument) Btljs — Preceding undated comment added 08:22, 1 June 2005 (UTC)

 * Heh Beetles redirects to Beetle which links to Beetle (disambiguation), which does correct errant spellers by pointing to The Beatles amongst other things.
 * In the circumstances, I added a couple of sentences with links that showed it was called Live Aid 2 by lots of the press until they announced the official name. If down the line this turns out to be irrelevant, then we can remove it at that time. Pcb21| Pete 13:51, 3 June 2005 (UTC)

Criticisms
Is it just me or are those criticisms ubiquitous to any aid/charitable organization? Also, Live 8 is about promoting awareness (to things like debt cancellation and fair trade) NOT raising aid money.... Hence the free shows

A more realistic and potential problem I do see is scalpers hoarding all the lottery tickets and selling them on eBay, on site, etc....--Madchester 19:14, 1 June 2005 (UTC)

 * My concern is that the criticisms section is the thoughts of the writer, because that section doesn't seem to tally up with the actual criticisms that have been levelled on the last day or so. Who really says "neocolonialism" in the context of this event? Pcb21| Pete 19:34, 1 June 2005 (UTC)

 * May have spoken too soon. Have sourced the "catwalk" comment. Pcb21| Pete 19:47, 1 June 2005 (UTC)

 * More specific quotes are needed in this section definitely. Is there another article somewhere which covers the general debate between pro-charity and anti-charity parties when it comes to developing countries? If so, this should be cited to avoid having to restate all the arguments every time there is a charity event. If not we will have to insert a Counter-criticisms section for balance. Btljs — Preceding undated comment added 08:16, 2 June 2005 (UTC)

"Questioning whether trade or Western governments are indeed major factors in social problems within Africa, including AIDS, poverty and corruption, suggesting that internal reform within Africa is more important than foreign aid."

 * Firstly, I know of no news source that would seriously contend that trade is not a problem for Africa. Secondly, this criticism needs to be made more specific to this event.  I've taken it out for the moment.  Palefire 12:18, 3 June 2005 (UTC)

 * Good call. Pcb21| Pete 13:29, 3 June 2005 (UTC)

The criticism section needs a LOT more sources; everyone with a opinion is simply stating their 2 cents on the page, with no sources to back them up.--Madchester 19:50, 2 July 2005 (UTC)

Criticism: Ethnicity of performers
Mariah Carey, the only non White artist? (Isn't she white?) What about Snoop Dogg?--Richy 22:24, 2 June 2005 (UTC)

 * The joy of citing sources. BBC calls Mariah non-white, not us :). As for Snoop Dogg, the confusion probably arises because most lists of performers don't include him for some reason. He is not on the official website for example. Pcb21| Pete 10:38, 3 June 2005 (UTC)
 * Which just goes to prove what a ludicrous distinction it is being white or non-white. This isn't apartheid era South Africa. Btljs — Preceding undated comment added 14:47, 3 June 2005 (UTC)
 * Snoop was announced during the original press conference. Go to the BBC article, and his name is mentioned as part of the 7-8 minute video.  Razorlight too.  Both didn't get mentioned in printed material for some reason. --Madchester 15:28, 3 June 2005 (UTC)

Isn't Slash from Velvet Revolver as black as Mariah Carey? --Richy 19:35, 8 June 2005 (UTC)
 * Mariah's half-white, half-black.... kind of like Halle Berry... but both of them only focus on their black heritage... --Madchester 02:57, 10 June 2005 (UTC)
 * That's why I like Tiger Woods. He is a mutt - and proud of it! :P — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.195.88.83 (talk) 02:06, 4 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm blacker than Mariah Carey and I'm white as it gets heh... Anyone who the hell are these idiots who make all these racial critisms of Live 8. I'll bet that Japan had no black performers, I don't see people complaining about that. Russia aswell, I can't believe they even bothered to hold a live 8 in Russia, that country needs aid itself. Why isn't China in the G8 they're economy has surpassed Russia and Canada. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.141.214.87 (talk) 03:00, 6 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Cosign with the sarcastic sentiment. Mariah Carey meeting any kind of diverse, racial quota is hysterical. She's the whitest, non-white, Black woman on the planet. Anybody else reminded of that episode of South Park about the Goobacks? Cueball 05:19, 7 October 2005

There is no mention that the concert at The Meadows in Edinburgh was almost exclusivly African (actual African artists and African music) with the exception of a couple of Afro-Caribbean artists. And would anyone object to me changing the "Edinburgh near Gleneagles" bit? they are about 50 miles away from each other - near, but the article would make you think that they are over the road from each other. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.41.86.101 (talk) 20:24, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Charity?
Not meaning to nit-pick, but are these strictly charity concerts if they are not to raise money? I know that charitable organisations are involved and I don't quite know what else to call them but this is of a different order of event than Live Aid as it is directly targetting world leaders and politicians rather than the population at large. They are kind of political pressure rallies with music. Btljs — Preceding undated comment added 13:39, 3 June 2005 (UTC)
 * (Please use the "signature" button to sign edits to talk pages, with a timestamp.) I think "charity" is perhaps slightly less accurate than "activism". I think "charity concert" fits, though, as the performers essentially donated their fame and time as an "in-kind" gift toward the cause. --Dhartung | Talk 19:59, 6 July 2005 (UTC)

Tickets London Live 8 - text competition
I have a question about the “Ticket Lottery” – How can NON-UK-People take part??? I think it is not possible to send a Text Message to a Special “UK Texting Number” from a non UK mobile net!? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.141.154.216 (talk) 10:39, 5 June 2005 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, eBay scalpers will be heeding your call. It's inevitable... --Madchester 16:14, 5 June 2005 (UTC)

I think the article needs to go more in depth in explaining the tickets. If the concert was free then why did people want to win a ticket? and how is it a charity event if it was not actually raising any money and just awareness - Jonesolivia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonesolivia (talk • contribs) 05:16, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Scotland gig
How should we organize the format to fit the Scotland gig? It's kind of a lead up to Live 8 and the G8 Summit.... --Madchester 16:19, 8 June 2005 (UTC)

Text Competition
Does anyone know if you can improve your odds by texting multiple times or do they just add each individual person to the list to be drawn from once? Can each person only win one set of tickets also?--Richy 19:33, 8 June 2005 (UTC)

Sail 8
Something happening on July 3.... another follow up to the main concerts on the 2nd. http://www.news24.com/News24/Entertainment/Abroad/0,,2-1225-1243_1717907,00.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/4612621.stm --Madchester 21:30, 10 June 2005 (UTC)

eBay and public opinion
I would think that the general public was strongly opposed to the selling of tix on eBay. Many ppl responded to Geldof's criticism and added spoof bids or tickets to many listings on eBay. Now, this response has forced eBay to back off its orginal policy of allowing the sales of charity tix. W/o the public backlash, I doubt this would have been acheived. --Madchester 21:55, 14 June 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry but a few people doesn't constitute "the public". I for one am not "strongly opposed" and know many others that were not.  To claim otherwise is just incorrect, and stating that the organisers (including Geldof) and the government opposed it is good enough. violet/riga (t) 22:01, 14 June 2005 (UTC)
 * "Well, "my people" were strongly opposed to it. :-) I think it's a fallacy to use your friends and family as evidence for or against the issue.
 * The fact is there was a very quick and immediate response from the online community, which cannot be denied. The combined response of the public and Geldof were responsble for pressuring eBay in changing their own in-house policy, no question about that. --Madchester 22:06, 14 June 2005 (UTC)
 * No, the combined response of the organisers, the government and the media pressured them. Do you honestly think that a dozen people (of the millions that visit) could change eBay policy?  Certainly not.  I don't deny that there was a quick response from the "online community", but I do deny that the public as a whole were against it.  I tried to compromise earlier by stating that some people were angered by it, surely that's enough?  And I don't want to enter a revert war, so please just discuss this rather than reverting it again. violet/riga (t) 22:19, 14 June 2005 (UTC)
 * Watch eBay's UK chief David McCallum's interview ... he specifically stated that "while not unaminous, there is a very clear voice (the public) in favour of taking them down.... we are responding to the voices of our customers."
 * Do you think Bobby Geldof would have intervened like a pariah, had there been no public backlash in the first place? --Madchester 22:24, 14 June 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, because he saw it as going against the principles of the event. The reference clearly shows that McCallum "listened to customers' concerns" – that does not mean "the public". violet/riga (t) 22:39, 14 June 2005 (UTC)

Both groups are NOT mutually exclusive. There were also many non-customers who signed up, just to protest eBay's actions. --Madchester 22:59, 14 June 2005 (UTC)
 * But one is a subset of the other. People that objected to it could complain or make silly bids.  People that supported it could do nothing to show such support.  Based on that logic we could just as easily say that the public were in support of selling the tickets on eBay because some people were.  Saying "the public" implies a larger group than we can prove, and we should therefore avoid saying such things.  violet/riga (t) 23:28, 14 June 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually if you watched the BBC interview, there were a number of sellers/scalpers complaining about their rights. But the overwhelming response from the whole fiasco as suggested thru the media and interview has been against the resale of tix.  It should be noted that the tix themselves are deemed to be "non-transferable" and should never been sold in the first place. --Madchester 23:34, 14 June 2005 (UTC)

This is the official release:

''***Message from Doug McCallum: LIVE 8 Ticket Sales***

14 June, 2005 | 07:34PM BST

Dear all,

Today you have made it very clear to us that our previous decision to allow the sale of LIVE 8 tickets on eBay.co.uk was not one that the vast majority of you agreed with. As a result of this clear signal from the Community we have decided to prohibit the resale of LIVE 8 tickets on the site.

Although the resale of tickets is not illegal, we think that this is absolutely the right thing to do. We have listened to the views you expressed on the discussion boards and in the many emails you have sent to us. We shall be working over the next few hours to remove all LIVE 8 ticket listings from the site.

Thanks for taking the time to contact us and make your views heard,

Regards,

Doug McCallum Managing Director, eBay (UK) Ltd. On behalf of the whole eBay.co.uk team''

There had to be a considerable response from the public to generate such an unprecendented move by the company. --Madchester 00:42, 15 June 2005 (UTC)

 * And so now it's sourced, particularly if the above is included in the article, it's fine to say it. I do think, however, that it should be written to ensure that it doesn't imply that all the public were against it. violet/riga (t) 07:47, 15 June 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with that.... I just felt that there had to be some more mention of the public impact on eBay's decision. I don't think Geldof alone could have influenced their decision. --Madchester 15:37, 15 June 2005 (UTC)
 * Madchester you relise by the logic you have used here the public wants a vandalised wikipedia? Geni 08:37, 19 June 2005

Canadian Live 8 Site
Until a report has confirmed a location, please, don't make any changes to the format. There's enough speculation as it is already, and anything added w/o a verifiable source is just more speculation. I'm trying to understand why all these ppl are making all the Toronto to Barrie edits, when neither Park Place nor World Vision Canada have formally annouced it to be the actual venue. With Downsview dropping Caravan from its lineup and 680 News discussing plans of Sunnyside Park on-air with Dan Ackroyd, anything is possible at the moment, including last minute changes. --Madchester 06:19, 18 June 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not for advertising
Just a heads up to other Wiki peeps... some anonymous users edited the pages to use it to sell their Live 8 tickets. --Madchester 20:44, 18 June 2005 (UTC)

Wikinews links
This might be a surprise coming from me, but I think the three bordered Wikinews links are a bit over the top. I believe itemizing all Wikinews stories in the "External links" section should be sufficient. Thoughts?--Eloquence* 22:53, 19 June 2005 (UTC)
 * Agreed, especially since there are two in one small section. violet/riga (t) 23:08, 19 June 2005 (UTC)

 * Put as many external links as possible in the external links rather than in the bulk of the article, SqueakBox 23:22, 19 June 2005 (UTC)

 * How's that? It's not the standard template, but it seems more appropriate to me for multiple stories.--Eloquence* 00:25, 20 June 2005 (UTC)

"Paris" and Canadian shows
Since the show is actually held in Versailles (in the suburbs of Paris), should the location be changed likewise? even though it'll probably be referred to as the Paris show in most media.

Likewise, while the Canadian show is held just outside of Barrie, even promoter Michael Cohl says its "this is a Toronto gig, it is happening in a place north of toronto and south of downtown Barrie." Outside of Canada, the media will simply say that the show was held north of Toronto, in Barrie... even though it's an hour's drive away.

If you visit the official Live 8 concert listings ,the show is still labelled as being in Toronto, even though it's north of Toronto in Barrie.

How should we go with the city naming procedure in the article?

--Madchester 15:11, 21 June 2005 (UTC)

 * Naming it Toronto on the Live 8 website is a PR thing, come on who has heard of Barrie that lives outside of Ontario? Park Place is actually a part of Barrie not Toronto, so I'd name it Barrie but possibly add that it is only a bit north of Toronto. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.159.76.146 (talk) 23:32, 21 June 2005 (UTC)

The Live 8 website is now calling the Canadian show as "Barrie", NOT Toronto — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbfraser (talk • contribs) 19:30, 23 June 2005 (UTC)
 * We're all aware of that, but for the sake of an international audience at Wikipedia, it is best to refer to the Toronto location as well. Because most media outlets outside of Wikipedia will still be referring to the show as being held in or north of Toronto. --Madchester 20:06, 23 June 2005 (UTC)

Is there anything you need for or about the Barrie event??? I live in Barrie and also will be working the live 8 show in Molson Park (I'll never call it Park Place) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbfraser (talk • contribs) 20:39, 23 June 2005 (UTC)
 * First, Plz sign your remarks.
 * Second, Wikipedia has to appeal to the broadest audience possible. While ppl from Ontario know that Barrie and Toronto are two distinct cities, you can't assume that it's also common knowledge for people outside the province, let alone the outside the country.  It's especially important to present the relative location of Barrie to Toronto, considering that most international media outlets are doing so as well, whether it's Reuters, USA Today, or The New York Times.  Even Canadian sources from The Montreal Gazette to the CBC are providing similar details.
 * It'd be selfish and narrow-minded not to include such basic details for all readers, when they don't have the same geographical references that GTAers do. --Madchester 00:55, 24 June 2005 (UTC)

I suspect many Canadians are familiar with Barrie, since it has been a major concert venue for years. Even in high school in the 80s, I was accustomed to seeing concert tour t-shirts with Barrie listed and MuchMusic concert listing often mentioned the city. However, this knowledge may not be widespread and Barrie is probably unknown outside the country. So it should be qualified with "north of Toronto". --Westendgirl 04:51, 30 June 2005 (UTC)

Concert Name
Am I correct in guessing that Live8 is a play on "Live Aid" and G8? Unless I missed it, this is not addressed in the article, nor in the Live8 website. --Westendgirl 04:51, 30 June 2005 (UTC)
 * Totally right, yeah. We've made a poster in school about the event (and the name) and found it was not on the site.  It should be mentioned.  217.33.74.20 08:31, 30 June 2005 (UTC)
 * But is there a reference for this? --Westendgirl 18:44, 30 June 2005 (UTC)
 * None that I've seen, but I think it's pretty obvious. violet/riga (t) 23:48, 30 June 2005 (UTC)
 * An ad running in Canada says that 8 million people die from extreme poverty each year and then mentions the G8 leaders. So it appears there are 3 factors in the name. --Westendgirl 00:59, 1 July 2005 (UTC)

Time to split?
Is it time to split this into one page per concert, plus one page on the over-arching series? Then they'll be ready for set lists, etc. Andy Mabbett 11:35, 30 June 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not really sure that set lists are particularly encyclopedic, and I don't think there needs to be an individual article for each one. violet/riga (t) 13:46, 30 June 2005 (UTC)
 * The setlists are important, especially when the order of performers is known as the concerts are in progress. It can be used as a general timeline for the event, with a write up below to mention any memoriable incidents during the show.  Kind of like the Live Aid page.--Madchester 16:10, 30 June 2005 (UTC)

 * This article is rather disappointing in a way. Lots of list and bulletpoint type information. Splitting may well make it long better. Pcb21| Pete 14:59, 30 June 2005 (UTC)

Done now, anyway ;-) Andy Mabbett 16:13, 30 June 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't mind the concerts having separate articles so much (though a template should link them all) but I think some of the naming is a bit poor. Yes, there are multiple concerts in England, but why can't the other concerts (USA, Germany etc.) be listed under their more specific name (the city they are in)?  As it is we have some articles under a city name (London, Edinburgh), one under a county name (Cornwall) and many under a country name.  violet/riga (t) 23:44, 30 June 2005 (UTC)

 * I'd be happy for them to be moved to city names. Andy Mabbett 10:31, 4 July 2005 (UTC)

I think we should put events that occured across concerts simultaniously (ie, Will Smith's opening finger clicks) on the main page. User:Barberio 16:55, 02 July 2005 (UTC)

Setlist layout
How should we layout the setlists? I think we need to include the time, presenters and performers (obviously), songs performed, and any other notable events related to each act. --Madchester 02:08, 2 July 2005 (UTC)

G8 Edinburgh March
Should we mention the march on edinburgh on this page, or create a linked stub? --Barberio 11:35, 02 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, they are related afterall. --Oldak Quill 17:04, 2 July 2005 (UTC)

Events during the concert?
Should we start putting in, under a new header, significant events during the concert and events? --Barberio 15:38, 2 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Of course, this is the nature of a wiki. --Oldak Quill 17:05, 2 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, I added a Template Called 'Live' to signify that this is changing in near real time. This is what a wiki is about. Nick Catalano (Talk) 20:27, 2 July 2005 (UTC)

Naming
I've just organised the article names to be consistent with the ones used throughout the venues. These are used on the TV captions and above the stage. The main problem one is the Eden Project (currently at "Cornwall"), which I'm not sure what to call. violet/riga (t) 17:47, 2 July 2005 (UTC)

Performers Getting Paid
I have been told that everyone who performed in one of the concerts was given a gift basket that included, among other things, a $6000 watch. Now, I don't believe that this is true, as the goal wasn't for money, and seems to defy the entire purpose of Live 8. Can anyone verify this, and if it is true, maybe it should be put in the article? Kaiser Matias 08:56, 2 July 2005 (UTC)

 * If confirmed... NuclearFunk — Preceding undated comment added 22:15, 2 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Likely, in this kind of situation, corprate backers would have provided these gift baskets as a donation. Besides, the musicians have essentially done 3 months work without pay. Geldof owes them a lot, and he knows it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.101.102.157 (talk) 14:47, 3 July 2005 (UTC)

 * 3 months work without pay. You have got to be kidding. They got plenty of rewards anyway with the publicity. they are not the ones without a voice. BBC claimed the received a $3,000 hamper each, SqueakBox 14:56, 3 July 2005 (UTC)

 * The orginal AP story only mentioned Philadelphia perfomers, reprinted here. Was the BBC talking saying the same applied to performers at the other concerts? Pcb21| Pete 15:21, 3 July 2005 (UTC)
 * the news i read about it only mentioned philadelphia indeed, so far no information about other location, kinda sad how some people freak out about this, but it certainly should be mentioned. Boneyard 08:08, 4 July 2005 (UTC)

The article is very slanted towards the artists receiving the supposed gift baskets. The performers willingly came to perform for free, it was only the organizers and corporate sponsors who gave away these gifts in the first place. --Madchester 18:36, 6 July 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism
Apparently, it's very very amusing to change Live 8 to Live AIDS throughout this article. Because people in Africa have AIDS, get it? Yeah, me neither. I will continue to watch out for this one. Drseudo 21:25, 2 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Send it to WP:-) SYSS Mouse 02:29, 3 July 2005 (UTC)

Great
A great article is being created here...|||| — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.91.96.62 (talk) 00:18, 3 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree! But I also think that there should be a section covering significant/important events during the concerts... instead of doing a simple referring to the page of the specific concert... I think that many people will not bother, or take the time to browse thorugh it all... NuclearFunk — Preceding undated comment added 16:52, 3 July 2005 (UTC)

 * That's what the Concerts section should be, as I started doing yesterday. violet/riga (t) 17:07, 3 July 2005 (UTC)

Pink Floyd
We should mention the significance of the Pink Floyd reunion. I had, but this was removed in entirty as a 'POV'. --Barberio 11:06, 3 July 2005 (UTC)

"Strong language"
I have tried trawling through the Wikipedia policies, and I can see nothing which states that we have to pussyfoot around the use of words such as fuck which some people might find offensive. For this reason, I am adding back the direct quote from Madonna ("are you fucking ready, London?"), as it is a lot clearer to see why some complaints may have been made as a result, than if the article just says "Madonna, in London, was apologising for what she had shouted, due to profanity in her sentence after her first song." IF someone wishes to censor this article again, could they please discuss their reasons for doing so here first. And if there is a Wikipedia policy against quoting such language, then I apologise for breaking it. Regards. Tjwood 16:16, 3 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Quoting other people's swearing is absolutely fine, so what've you done seems fine. Pcb21| Pete 16:20, 3 July 2005 (UTC)
 * seen it happen in other articles also, some people are simply very touchy about such things and think they can make the world better by removing such words. Boneyard 08:11, 4 July 2005 (UTC)

Lineups
The lineups take up too much room, and should be kept on the individual concert's pages. Andy Mabbett 08:17, 4 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Especially as this page is now generating a size warning. Does anyone object, of I remove them? Andy Mabbett 19:33, 4 July 2005 (UTC)
 * OK, thats done. The removed material is here /temp lineups in case anyone needs to retrieve any of it and paste on th eseparate pages. Andy Mabbett 19:59, 4 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, removing them was a good idea. Jordan Turner 20:01, 4 July 2005 (UTC)

Sail 8
We should also mention Sail 8 Andy Mabbett 08:18, 4 July 2005 (UTC)

Live 8 Edinburgh March
I was under the impression the march on Edinburgh on Saturday was the one announced by MPH on New year's day, and was attended by about a quarter of a million, making it the largest protest in Scottish history, not 100,000 as said here. Geldof's one is on Wednesday, to coincide with the Live 8 concert then, which is why he said at the concert "I hope I'll see you in Edinburgh on Wednesday".

If this is correct, you should probably do something about this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.92.168.174 (talk) 19:25, 4 July 2005 (UTC)
 * This was a reference to the 'Last Push Concert', not a march. The 'Make Poverty History' group is the same organisation as 'Live 8'. (ps, please remember to add a signature on talk edits) --Barberio 21:41, 4 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Make Poverty History is a coalition of organisations, Live8 is merely a series of public events; MPH was launched on January 1, long before Live 8 was ever mooted. The protest and rally in Edinburgh on July 2 was announced at the same time as MPH launched, and it had been trailed in the press up here since January . Geldof and the other Live 8 initiators had little, if anything, to do with organising it. What Geldof did actually propose was a "Long Walk to Justice" protest four days later on July 6, to coincide with the final Live 8 concert in Edinburgh and the start of the G8 summit proper. This is totally different from the July 2 protest.  I've corrected the article to reflect this. Qwghlm 11:59, 5 July 2005 11:59 (UTC)

UB40
UB40 had with them a south- Asian style drum outfit; who were they? Andy Mabbett 19:32, 4 July 2005 (UTC)

Bill Gates
It would be nice to see some comments about Bill Gate's appearance in the Hyde Park show. Hearing the way Bob Geldorf idolizes Gates is a real disappointment. The donations made to Africa by the Gates Foundation is probably quite small compared to, say, the worldwide donations. Seeing Gates on a stage about poverty and justice makes me sick, when one considers all the laws he has broken and his continuing efforts to close file formats, patent trivial software algorithms, etc. [Anon.] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.105.190.93 (talk) 22:06, 4 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Umm regardless of his business pursuits, Bill Gates is the largest individual philantropist in the world today. And he's leaving a good chunk behind when he's dead. He donated 750 million to a Vaccine Fund to his charitable foundation this year (alone).  He's also the one funding all the ONE and Make Poverty History commercials you see on television. --Madchester 22:21, 4 July 2005 22:21 (UTC)

 * Gates donates $750m and he's some kind of heroic philanthropist, while the rest of the world poured $40b into the region over the same period, and we are nothing? And this is without mentioning that we, the workers, taxpayers and charitiable givers of the world, did not break the law to earn our money, nor are we in a position to push various IP restrictions down a variety of government's throats, thus stripping those nations of their ability to compete with America's software giants. And this a stage promoting "Justice". Why was Gates on the stage? To earn brownie points from the "feel good" left and pull attention away from his past and present business activities.--[Anon.] 18:28, 6 July 2005 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.105.188.205 (talk)
 * (Please sign edits to Talk pages.) I can see you have strong feelings on this point. You may wish to review Neutral point of view before suggesting changes. It may "sicken" you to see him on the stage, but it is a fact and it is encyclopedic to report it in the article, regardless of your personal feelings on the matter. --Dhartung | Talk 19:56, 6 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Of course a 750 million donation by one person makes him a heroic philanthropist. He's worth...40 billion or something.  He just gave almost 1/40 of his fortune in one year.  If you made $40 grand, would you give a grand in charity each year?  Also,  its not like Africa is not in the business of developing software.  So if he's stealing, he's stealing from first world countries and giving it to third world countries.  130.219.8.253 23:03, 8 July 2005 (UTC)

Reaction
Shouldn't there be a section on reaction to the performances? For example, many artists (especially Pink Floyd) have seen album increases in the UK following the concert, indicating that they were well-received. On the other hand, Pete Doherty's Libertines album registered a 35% decline in sales, the only album from a performer to fall...

Acegikmo1 07:11, 5 July 2005 (UTC)

I think there should be a follow up on the webpage hits for Make Poverty History, ONE, Live 8, etc. since the concerts have aired. And what about the sale of the white wristbands? I'm wondering if there's been more orders placed since the shows. --Madchester 18:38, 6 July 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not raw data
Not to sound crochety, but do we *really* need a country-by-country list of broadcasters? This is a very good example of why people should be conservative about adding current-events type information into an article -- because 90% of it is worthless after the event is no longer current.

Wikipedia is not a collection of pointless data. Does anyone really care that public channel CT2 of Ceská televize broadcast it in Czechoslovakia, or 99FM in Lebanon? How about a month from now? A year? Can you think of any realistic situation where someone would want to know that? No? Then why is it in the article? Lists are bad writing in general, and they dillute the useful information.

That section should be summarized (e.g, 99% of it deleted) as soon as the current events tag comes off, if not sooner. →Raul654 08:13, 5 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I would hive it off to a separate page, at the least (maybe leping key points); then, perhaps, VFD. Andy Mabbett 08:26, 5 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, now that you mention it, that is just a load of pointless information. A seperate page isn't even necessary; why would anyone care about all that to begin with? joturner 03:15, 6 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I think a seperate page should be created for the information. Most people won't care about it, but there are some possible scenarios in which people might want it, like if someone was writing an essay on Live 8 at some point in the future and used Wikipedia as a reference tool. Before the event I think it was worth having it on the main page, but now I think it should be moved to a seperate article. --Yoko-onassis 17:14, 6 July 2005 (UTC)

 * My example is that people are exchanging recordings of the concerts right now and use this information as a reference.
 * Most contries have not covered the event in full. So far I've only seen one song of the Moscow concert. Because of this is it interesting for me to know that CT2 (which is closer to Moscow than the BBC) had a coverage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.154.143.85 (talk) 07:29, 8 July 2005 (UTC)

Who paid for it?
It probably cost a few millions pounds to organize an event like that. I'm really curious who footed the bill? The article refers to the 500K vat rebate from the government to the 'organizers'... surely Bob Geldof didn't pick up tab? Adidas — Preceding undated comment added 16:33, 5 July 2005 (UTC)
 * As mentioned in the section on Tickets, some of the proceeds of the text lottery in the UK went towards costs of the London concert. I would conjecture that the remainder was paid by (largely unnamed) corporate sponsors (although there were big Nokia signs up in the background in Hyde Park), and perhaps the record companies contributed also (they would benefit from increased sales due to the the publicity). I imagine some of the equipment was provided at reduced rates/loaned free etc. Tjwood 20:36, 5 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Record companies were most likely not involved For example, the Canadian show was largely funded by broadcast fees from CTV, which won rights to air the show in Canada. --Madchester 21:28, 5 July 2005 (UTC)

Japanese Live 8
Is it true that only 7500-10000 people showed up for the Japanese live 8? Can anyone confirm this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.141.214.87 (talk) 03:00, 6 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Yeah I heard that too. I think that is true. - joturner 03:20, 6 July 2005 (UTC)

 * That's because it was announced less than a week before the event. The venue wasn't meant to hold that many people anyway. --Madchester 03:48, 6 July 2005 (UTC)

We might have to alter the playlist for McFly in Tokyo because it appears 'I've Got You' was not their opening number. There is a video on Youtube of the band performing ‘5 Colors In Her Hair’. It is definitely from the concert and appears to be their opening number. In every other video the lights are already up when the band begins, but in this song the lights are down and they emerge from the darkness to greet the hall.

Also, Good Charlotte apparently began their set with 'The Anthem' and not 'Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous'. Again, they emerge from the darkness and yell, "Tokyo, are you ready?!" And again, this is on Youtube.

Both videos I have identified as possible opening numbers also share a common thread with other opening acts from this venue: All begin with a projection of the Live 8 logo. (207.81.164.238 19:47, 19 December 2006 (UTC))

Opinion
Live-8 is really a bunch of "feel good, do good" people wanting to give Africa yet another large sum of money (this time in the form of debt forgiveness) with exactly zero performance goals. Too much aid, of whatever form, ends up buying weapons or increasing Africa's birth rate, setting it up (once again) for another disastrous round of devastating famines. Too often warlords sell product, buy weapons, and engage in civil war. An enlightenment needs to happen in Africa, moving it away from 12th century religious (and 19th century political) ideologies, and toward sustainment and democratic systems. Live-8 did nothing to address or promote these fundamental issues. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.105.188.236 (talk) 20:07, 6 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Since you have no sources or evidence to back your claims, I'd suggest that you share your comments on another medium whether its some messageboard or discussion forum. --Madchester 20:45, 6 July 2005 (UTC)
 * This isn't the "Live 8" article, Madchester. What's wrong with him voicing his opinions, which might I add, he did a very succinct job of doing? Cueball 05:25, 7 October 2005

Still a current event?
Is this still a current event? --Celestianpower 16:35, 7 July 2005 (UTC)

 * User:Estel has already removed the current event tag at 16:20, July 7, 2005. --michael180 21:40, 7 July 2005 (UTC)

Met goal of $25 billion?
I remember reading that Geldof wanted the G8 nations to pledge $25 billion in aid and that anything else meant Live8 failed. Now we know that $50 billion was pledged. However I just read on wikinews.org that the concerts failed to meet expectations. Does anyone else know about this? Bubbachuck 23:08, 8 July 2005 (UTC)

Performers list
I can't see a performer's list anywhere... is that just an oversite, or is there one somewhere. -- user:zanimum — Preceding undated comment added 23:10, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * They're listed under the individual concerts. Andy Mabbett 23:21, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

1985 Live8?
Is there already a page for the 1985 Live8 concert(s) as well? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.210.40.179 (talk) 12:12, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Yup, at Live Aid Sam Vimes 12:13, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Massive lobbying effort
I have something I would like to add to the "criticisms" section but I want to see if there is support for it first. What bothered me about Live 8 is that it was, essentially, a massive lobbying effort to get the politicians in the West to spend their citizen's tax money on a cause which the Live 8 organizers were hyped up about. But I could be the lone ranger here, and I don't want to just stick in my own point of view without getting some feedback to see if other contributors think it's and appropriate addition. orporg 13:01, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

DVD
Anyone know if this is coming out on DVD, or if they got permission off the performers to release it on DVD in the future? Richy 14:31, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

It came out already... WestJet — Preceding undated comment added 17:25, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

UK Slant
Did anyone else feel that this article is very biased towards the concert in the UK? You have to read it damn closely to even notice that other concerts were even held. -Drdisque 00:34, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * What UK slant? The UK gig was the largest one and had the most high profile performers... it's as simple as that. Don't forget, the G8 conference was being held in Scotland.  If you want the non-UK info, just read into the respective concert articles. --Madchester 01:13, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

'Sir' Bob
As Bob Geldof is a citizen of the Irish Republic, he is not entitled to use the prefix 'Sir' with his name despite being a KBE. I've therefore removed the two incorrect references. --Breadandcheese 19:45, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Kanye West's Comments
The fact that Kanye West stated that "man-made diseases placed in African communities" is not necessarily a reference to the theory that AIDS was created to exterminate African populations. There is another theory that AIDS was created in the small pox? vaccine, since it was created with monkeys' kidneys that were infected with the SIV virus that eventually transferred to humans. This theory is well developed in the movie "Origins of AIDS". The fact that the reference is ambiguous, and that only one is stated in this article, I argue, makes for a not-neutral POV. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.68.236.142 (talk) 23:26, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

 * I agree, I am going to change it to the belief in the OPV AIDS hypothesis because the comment is not context and it can only be editiorializing without a full quote. I do not think it is a netural POV either. 141.153.174.3 09:48, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

STOP SPAM PLEASE! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.130.149.138 (talk) 15:07, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Make Promises Happen Special
I added some info about the special airing tonight. WestJet 16:08, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Such information should be signaled in your edit summary, not on the talk page. Be bold! --m3taphysical 19:30, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Editing needed
Apologies -- I read wikipedia a lot but don't add or edit a great deal, but this article really seems to need some work. The Spice Girls section I found interesting and informative, but sentences like:

"Although the story behind this performance that never happened was more known only by people at the UK, news and rumours kept everyone for months unsure whether their reunion was true or not"

need to be rewritten. Also

"The MTV and VH1 Live 8 broadcasts were a complete betrayal of the foundations upon which the networks were built. It was a far cry from the comparative coverage of Live Aid, which aired live from the London opening to the Philadephia close."

seems to go against the neutral POV policy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swyves (talk • contribs) 07:37, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Raphael videos
I have two videos of Raphael performing in France on Youtube, whereas your playlist lists one. (207.81.164.238 01:00, 28 December 2006 (UTC))

Peter Kay
I'm pretty sure Peter Kay doesn't drink, so I don't think he was drunk when he introduced the Who. So I've removed it. Swaddon1903 20:07, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Memorable moments
Don't you people think that it's totally unnecessary - not to mention a bit of an exaggeration - to name the Roger Waters appearance with Pink Floyd "one of the most remarkable incidents of modern music history"? Memorable, widely anticipated, yes; "one of the most remarkable incidents of modern music history" sounds like mere POV. I've removed it. If someone opposes to it, we can rediscuss it here, though. I also edited the reference to The Who reprising their Live Aid performance, by playing Who Are You and Won't Get Fooled Again, since the former had not been played 20 years before - when the band did a 4-song performance, by the way, not merely two, like in 2005.

Now, another edit that I wish I had done, but preferred not to, since it would mean the deletion of an entire section of the article (albeit a very short one): don't you think that the lack of response of the Roman crowd to Duran Duran is hardly a memorable moment, worthy of mentioning here? By definition, memorable should imply something to be remembered (generally in a positive light), not something that people weren't even paying attention to at the time it happened. Mentioning the controversial appearance by Pete Doherty is one thing, since it generated a lot of talk, but Duran Duran seem to be entirely out of context here. I'm for removing the whole mention to Rome in this section, but preferred to post here first, to see some of the opinions about it. JimboB 05:18, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, so no one answered. I removed it then. Let's discuss it here. If someone feels it shouldn't have been done, show me your arguments. Cheers. JimboB 23:30, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Look like good changes to me. 74.77.208.52 15:27, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Bono's Jacket: The blurb about Paul McCartney stealing Bono's jacket and wearing it on stage - I can't confirm from the source cited BUT if you watch the video - Paul McCartney is NOT wearing a jacket during the performance.... Pklala (talk) 22:54, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.88.187.216 (talk) 16:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Is there will be another LIVE8 conert? and when?
Is there will be another LIVE8 conert? and when? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.61.164.98 (talk) 13:44, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Images
Hi there, this Flickr user has been very helpful and let me use some of his Pink Floyd images for an article I'm writing. I thought I'd post his page here, in case anyone else was interested:

Parrot of Doom (talk) 18:03, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

More needed
How much was raised total? Any information about ratings is needed too. Also something about it being broadcasred online.--Cooly123 01:50, 3 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)

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Afforestation

Afforestation is the establishment of a forest or stand of trees in an area where there was no recent tree cover. In comparison, reforestation means re-establishing forest that have either been cut down or lost due to natural causes, such as fire, storm, etc. There are three types of afforestation: Natural regeneration, agroforestry and tree plantations. Afforestation has many benefits. In the context of climate change, afforestation can be helpful for climate change mitigation through the route of carbon sequestration. Afforestation can also improve the local climate through increased rainfall and by being a barrier against high winds. The additional trees can also prevent or reduce topsoil erosion (from water and wind), floods and landslides. Finally, additional trees can be a habitat for wildlife, and provide employment and wood products.

An essential aspect of successful afforestation efforts lies in the careful selection of tree species that are well-suited to the local climate and soil conditions. By choosing appropriate species, afforested areas can better withstand the impacts of climate change.

Earth offers enough room to plant an additional 0.9 billion ha of tree canopy cover. Planting and protecting them would sequester 205 billion tons of carbon which is about 20 years of current global carbon emissions. This level of sequestration would represent about 25% of the atmosphere's current carbon pool.

Australia, Canada, China, India, Israel, United States and Europe have afforestation programs to increase carbon dioxide removal in forests and in some cases to reduce desertification. However, afforestation of grasslands and savanna areas can be problematic and scientifically flawed. Carbon sequestration estimates in those areas often do not include the full amount of carbon reductions in soils and slowing tree growth over time. Also afforestation can negatively affect biodiversity through increasing fragmentation and edge effects for the habitat remaining outside the planted area.

Definition
The term afforestation means establishing new forest on lands that were not forest before (e.g. abandoned agriculture). The same definition in other words states that afforestation is "conversion to forest of land that historically has not contained forests".

In comparison, reforestation means the "conversion to forest of land that has previously contained forests but that has been converted to some other use".

Types
There are three types of afforestation:

 * 1) Natural regeneration (where native trees are planted as seeds; this creates new ecosystems and increases carbon sequestration).
 * 2) Agroforestry (this is essentially an agricultural activity carried out in order to grow harvestable crops such as fruits and nuts).
 * 3) Tree plantations (carried out in order to produce wood and wood-pulp products; this can be seen as an alternative to cutting down naturally-occurring forests).

Procedure
The process of afforestation begins with site selection. Several environmental factors of the site must be analyzed, including climate, soil, vegetation, and human activity. These factors will determine the quality of the site, what species of trees should be planted, and what planting method should be used.

After the forest site has been assessed, the area must be prepared for planting. Preparation can involve a variety of mechanical or chemical methods, such as chopping, mounding, bedding, herbicides, and prescribed burning. Once the site is prepared, planting can take place. One method for planting is direct seeding, which involves sowing seeds directly into the forest floor. Another is seedling planting, which is similar to direct seeding except that seedlings already have an established root system. Afforestation by cutting is an option for tree species that can reproduce asexually, where a piece of a tree stem, branch, root, or leaves can be planted onto the forest floor and sprout successfully. Sometimes special tools, such as a tree planting bar, are used to make planting of trees easier and faster.

An essential aspect of successful afforestation efforts lies in the careful selection of tree species that are well-suited to the local climate and soil conditions. By choosing appropriate species, afforested areas can better withstand the impacts of climate change.

Benefits
There are several benefits from afforestation such as carbon sequestration, increasing rainfall, prevention of topsoil erosion (from water and wind), flood and landslide mitigation, barriers against high winds, shelter for wildlife, employment and alternative sources of wood products.

Afforestation projects create employment opportunities, particularly in rural areas, thus promoting sustainable livelihoods. They can create many jobs in various forest-related activities.

Environmental benefits
Afforestation provides other environmental benefits, including increasing the soil quality and its organic carbon levels, reducing the risk of erosion and desertification. The planting of trees in urban areas is also able to reduce air pollution via the trees' absorption and filtration of pollutants, including carbon monoxide, sulfur dioxide, and ozone, in addition to.

Afforestation protects the biodiversity of plants and animals which allows the sustenance of ecosystems that provide clean air, soil fertilization, etc. Forests support biodiversity conservation, providing habitats for about 80% of the world's biodiversity and contributing to ecosystem restoration and resilience. Water management can be improved afforestation, as trees regulate hydrological cycles, reduce soil erosion, and prevent water runoff. Their capacity to capture and store water helps in mitigating floods and droughts.

Forests act as natural air filters, absorbing pollutants and improving air quality. Urban forestation projects have been successful in reducing respiratory illnesses and enhancing overall air quality in cities. Trees provide shade and cooling effects. By shading and evaporation, forests can lower local temperatures, offering a more comfortable environment in urban areas and reducing the impact of extreme heat.

Afforestation in grasslands and savanna
Tree-planting campaigns are criticised for sometimes targeting areas where forests would not naturally occur, such as grassland and savanna biomes. Carbon sequestration forecasts of afforestation programmes often insufficiently consider possible carbon reductions in soils as well as slowing tree growth over time.

Impact on biodiversity
Afforestation can negatively affect biodiversity through increasing fragmentation and edge effects for the habitat remaining outside the planted area. New forest plantations can introduce generalist predators that would otherwise not be found in open habitat into the covered area, which could detrimentally increase predation rates on the native species of the area. A study by scientists at the British Trust for Ornithology into the decline of British populations of Eurasian curlew found that afforestation had impacted curlew populations through fragmentation of their naturally open grassland habitats and increases in generalist predators.

Surface albedo
Questions have also been raised in the scientific community regarding how global afforestation could affect the surface albedo of Earth. The canopy cover of mature trees could make the surface albedo darker, which causes more heat to be absorbed, potentially raising the temperature of the planet. This is particularly relevant in parts of the world with high levels of snow cover, due to the more significant difference in albedo between highly reflective white snow and more darker forest cover which absorbs more solar radiation.

Australia
In Adelaide, South Australia (a city of 1.3 million as of June 2016), Premier Mike Rann (2002 to 2011) launched an urban forest initiative in 2003 to plant 3 million native trees and shrubs by 2014 on 300 project sites across the metro area. Thousands of Adelaide citizens participated in community planting days on sites including parks, reserves, transport corridors, schools, water courses and coastline. Only native trees were planted to ensure genetic integrity. Rann said the project aimed to beautify and cool the city and make it more livable, improve air and water quality, and reduce Adelaide's greenhouse gas emissions by 600,000 tonnes of a year.

Canada
In 2003, the government of Canada created a four-year project called the Forest 2020 Plantation Development and Assessment Initiative, which involved planting 6000 ha of fast-growing forests on non-forested lands countrywide. These plantations were used to analyze how afforestation can help to increase carbon sequestration and mitigate greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions while also considering the economic and investment attractiveness of afforestation. The results of the initiative showed that although there is not enough available land in Canada to completely offset the country's GHG emissions, afforestation can be useful mitigation technique for meeting GHG emission goals, especially until permanent, more advanced carbon storage technology becomes available.

On 14 December 2020, Canada's Minister of Natural Resources Seamus O'Regan announced the federal government's investment of $3.16 billion to plant two billion trees over the next 10 years. This plan aims to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by an estimated 12 megatonnes by 2050.

China
A law in China from 1981 requires that every school student over the age of 11 plants at least one tree per year. But average success rates, especially in state-sponsored plantings, remain relatively low. And even the properly planted trees have had great difficulty surviving the combined impacts of prolonged droughts, pest infestation, and fires. Nonetheless, China had the highest afforestation rate of any country or region in the world, with 4.77 million hectares (47,000 square kilometers) of afforestation in 2008. Although China set official goals for reforestation, these had an 80-year time horizon and were not being significantly met by 2008. China is trying to correct these problems with projects such as the Green Wall of China, which aims to replant forests and halt the expansion of the Gobi Desert.

According to the 2021 government work report, forest coverage will reach 24 percent based on the main targets and tasks for the 14th Five-Year Plan period. According to the National Forestry and Grassland Administration, China's forest coverage rate increased from 12 percent in the early 1980s to 23 percent by August 2021.

According to Carbon Brief, China planted the largest amount of new forest out of any country between 1990 and 2015, facilitated by the country's Grain for Green program started in 1999, by investing more than $100 billion in afforestation programs and planting more than 35 billion trees across 12 provinces. By 2015, the amount of planted forest in China covered 79 million hectares.

From 2011 to 2016, the city Dongying in Shandong province forested over 13,800 hectares of saline soil through the Shandong Ecological Afforestation Project, which was launched with support from the World Bank. In 2017, the Saihanba Afforestation Community won the UN Champions of the Earth Award in the Inspiration and Action category for "transforming degraded land into a lush paradise".

The successful afforestation of the Loess Plateau involved collaborative efforts by international and domestic professionals alongside villagers. Through this initiative, millions of villagers across four of China's poorest provinces were able to improve farming practices and increase incomes and employment, alleviating poverty. In addition, the careful selection of trees ensured a healthy, self-sustainable ecosystem between tree and soil which facilitated a net carbon sink. The Loess Plateau, although successful, was costly, reaching almost US$500 million.

This contrasts with more recent initiatives where the results have not been as favorable. In an attempt to make afforestation both low-cost and less time-consuming, China shifted towards monoculture of mostly red pine trees. However, this did not adequately take into consideration environmental structure and led to increased soil erosion, desertification, sand/dust storms and short-lived trees. This has reduced China's environmental sustainability index (ESI) to one of the lowest in the world.

Regarding the effects of afforestation on long-term carbon stocks and carbon sequestration these decrease when trees are less than 5 years old and increase quickly thereafter. This means trees from monoculture planting that do not survive never reach full potential for carbon sequestration to offset China's carbon output. Overall, there is a possibility for afforestation to balance carbon levels and aid carbon neutrality, but several challenges still remain which hinder an all encompassing effort. Over 69.3 million hectares of forest were planted across China from 1999 to 2013. This large-scale reforestation contributed to China’s forests sequestering 1.11 ± 0.38 Gt carbon per yr over the period 2010 to 2016. This amounted to about 45 percent of the yearly greenhouse gas emissions during that period in China.

Europe
Europe deforested more than half of its forested areas over the last 6000 years. The European Union (EU) has paid farmers for afforestation since 1990, offering grants to turn farmland into forest and payments for the management of forest. As part of the Green Deal, the EU program "3 Billion Tree Planting Pledge by 2030" provides direction on afforestation of previous farmland in addition to reforestation.

According to Food and Agriculture Organization statistics, Spain had the third fastest afforestation rate in Europe in the 1990-2005 period, after Iceland and Ireland. In those years, a total of 44,360 square kilometers were afforested, and the total forest cover rose from 13.5 to 17.9 million hectares. In 1990, forests covered 26.6% of the Spanish territory. As of 2007, that figure had risen to 36.6%. Spain today has the fifth largest forest area in the European Union.

In January 2013, the UK government set a target of 12% woodland cover in England by 2060, up from the then 10%. In Wales the National Assembly for Wales has set a target of 19% woodland cover, up from 15%. Government-backed initiatives such as the Woodland Carbon Code are intended to support this objective by encouraging corporations and landowners to create new woodland to offset their carbon emissions. Charitable groups such as Trees for Life (Scotland) also contribute to afforestation and reforestation efforts in the UK.

India

As of 2023 the total forest and tree cover in India was 22%. The forests of India are grouped into 5 major categories and 16 types based on biophysical criteria. 38% of the forest is categorized as subtropical dry deciduous and 30% as tropical moist deciduous and other smaller groups.

In 2016 the Indian government passed the CAMPA (Compensatory Afforestation Fund Management and Planning Authority) law, allowing about 40 thousand crores rupees (almost $6 Billion) to go to Indian states for planting trees. The funds were to be used for treatment of catchment areas, assisted natural generation, forest management, wildlife protection and management, relocation of villages from protected areas, management of human-wildlife conflicts, training and awareness generation, supply of wood saving devices and allied activities. Increasing the tree cover would also help in creating additional carbon sinks to meet the nation's Intended Nationally Determined Contribution (INDC) of 2.5 to 3 billion tonnes of carbon dioxide equivalent through additional forest and tree cover by 2030 - part of India's efforts to combat climate change.

In 2016 the Maharashtra government planted almost 20,000,000 saplings and pledged to plant another 30,000,000 the following year. In 2019, 220 million trees were planted in a single day in the Indian state of Uttar Pradesh.

Israel

With wood production as a main objective, monocultures of Aleppo pine were vigorously planted between 1948 and the 1970s. Following a massive collapse of this species in the 1990s, due to attacks by the insect pine blast scale, the Aleppo pine was gradually replaced by Pinus brutia. Since the 1990s there has been a trend towards more ecological approaches planting mixed forests combining pines with broadleaf Mediterranean species e.g. oak, pistachio, carob, olive, arbutus and buckthorn. About 250 million trees have been planted through the JNF across Israel since 1990.Tree coverage increased from 2% in 1948 to over 8% at present.

United States
In the 1800s people moving westward in the US encountered the Great Plains – land with fertile soil, a growing population and a demand for timber but with few trees to supply it. So tree planting was encouraged along homesteads. Arbor Day was founded in 1872 by Julius Sterling Morton in Nebraska City. By the 1930s the Dust Bowl environmental disaster signified a reason for adding significant new tree cover. Public works programs under the New Deal saw the planting of 18,000 miles of windbreaks stretching from North Dakota to Texas to fight soil erosion (see Great Plains Shelterbelt).

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Harvard Radcliffe Orchestra

The Harvard-Radcliffe Orchestra (HRO) is a collegiate symphony orchestra comprising Harvard students and based in Cambridge, Massachusetts. Founded in March 1808 as the Pierian Sodality, the orchestra is considered by some the oldest symphony orchestra in the United States. Others dispute this because of the organization's somewhat informal beginnings (the original charter states that the intent of the Pierian Sodality is to "perform music for the enjoyment of others as well as serenade young women in the square"), and because at one point in its history, the Pierian Sodality was reduced to only one member, a flutist named Henry Gassett. As a result, some consider the New York Philharmonic the oldest American orchestra. The HRO assumed its current form as a modern symphony orchestra during the first half of the 20th century and was briefly the nation's largest collegiate orchestra.

The orchestra has over 100 members, and is the largest of Harvard's orchestras. In general, only Harvard College students are eligible for membership, though this rule is not absolute and has occasionally been waived when necessary, allowing students from the other Harvard schools to participate. The orchestra plays four concerts every year in Sanders Theatre on Harvard's campus. It also sometimes gives children's concerts and regularly participates in Harvard's annual Arts First festival. Its alumni board is still known as the Pierian Sodality of 1808.

From 1964 to 2009, the orchestra was led by James Yannatos, a composer and member of the music faculty. He retired after the 2008-09 school year, and Federico Cortese took over as music director on July 1, 2009.

The HRO has toured various places throughout its history, including South Korea, Brazil, Washington, D.C., Canada, Italy, Soviet Union, Asia, Europe, Cuba, and most recently, Mexico. It has also performed in Carnegie Hall, and in 1978 placed third in the International Festival of Student Orchestras.

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David Brandes

David Brandes (born David Brändle; December 9, 1968 in Basel, Switzerland) is a Swiss-born German songwriter and producer.

Biography
Brandes was born in Basel, Switzerland and raised in Germany. He has written and produced for many artists, including E-Rotic, Bad Boys Blue, Chris Norman, Lemon Ice and Vanilla Ninja. Brandes also had two hits in Europe during 1994, with "Heartbreak Angel" and "Heartless Dancer". In 1995, Brandes was profiled in Billboard magazine as one of Germany's top producers.

In 2005, it was revealed that Brandes had bought hundreds of his own CDs (Gracia, Vanilla Ninja, Virus Incorporation) to manipulate the charts. The musicians produced by Brandes were banned from the German Top 100 for three months. In contrast to Vanilla Ninja, Gracia continued her co-operation with Brandes.

Due to his managing both Gracia and Vanilla Ninja at the time, Brandes had two songs in the Eurovision Song Contest 2005; Gracia's "Run & Hide" for Germany and Vanilla Ninja's "Cool Vibes" for Switzerland.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ramon Akanni

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was Delete Zzyzx11 (Talk) 05:11, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ramon Akanni
This article is a slander. The alleged crime does not appear to be legitimately reported anywhere else.

 * Delete drini ☎ 21:29, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete — mark ✎ 01:32, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * What is now left is a stub, and un-notable. As is, probably wants speedy but earlier comments indicate that there was more --Simon Cursitor 07:29, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete --Doyouspeakchinese 20:34, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Patently non-encyclopedic. Delete, candidate for speedy deletion. - Mike Rosoft 21:43, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete non notable. JamesBurns 09:51, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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User talk:Farhad Timuri

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Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Eugene van der Pijll

Eugene van der Pijll
final (30/1/0) ending 18:15 7 June 2005 (UTC)

Eugene van der Pijll has, according to Kate's tool, made 5842 total edits to Wikipedia since he arrived in September 2003. He is a sterling worker, contributing particularly to Netherlands related topics. His contribution history appears to have no significant disputes in it, and there is plenty of praise for his efforts on his talk page. The talk page comments also show that he is ready to exlpain his actions in a calm, professional manner should any confusion arise. In short I think he would make a fine administrator. Thryduulf 18:15, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

 * I accept this nomination. Eugene van der Pijll 19:02, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Support
 * 1) Support, obviously. Thryduulf 18:18, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Sure. Everyking 19:32, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) Support, I have had only good interactions with this user. Bishonen | talk 19:51, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 4) Support. --Kbdank71 20:30, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 5) Strong support I was thinking of doing this meself gkhan 21:08, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
 * 6) Yep. --TenOfAllTrades (talk/contrib) 21:52, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 7) Support. Nothing but good with this user. Howabout1 Talk to me!  00:30, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 8) El_C 02:00, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 9) Support --nixie 03:11, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 10) Cool. JuntungWu 05:58, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 11) Go Dutch! Radiant_* 11:19, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * 12) support Kingturtle 18:43, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 13) Support = Nichalp  ( Talk )= 19:03, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * 14) Support Squash 23:13, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 15) Support Very nice, and good job. Bratsche talk  random 03:28, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * 16) Support. Valuable contributions and a familiar name (although we never personally interacted) — mark ✎ 10:23, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 17) Support. A good contributor, I trust him with the precious things of the shop. Rje 16:12, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * 18) Support Dmn / Դմն 17:16, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 19) Support Zzyzx11 (Talk) 22:34, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 20) Support Warofdreams 09:44, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 21) Support - seen him in action in 2004 Encyclopedia topics, great user. Bluemoose 15:36, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 22) Support--Duk 16:14, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 23) Support is also good at Wikifun.  Grue   05:18, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 24) Certainly support. Sietse 12:52, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 25) Support Mackensen (talk) 17:31, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 26) Support --Spangineer ( háblame ) 20:33, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * 27) Support Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd 14:59, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * 28) Andre ( talk ) 22:58, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * 29) Support. Not highly familiar with this editor, but I've only seen good from him. - Taxman Talk 23:29, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)
 * 30) Support. - Nunh-huh 00:59, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) Oppose Does not meet my admin criterion. If you disagree and think that you do and would like me to reconsider, please leave a note on my userpage, jguk 17:39, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Neutral

Comments

Questions for the candidate

A few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:
 * 1. What sysop chores, if any, would you anticipate helping with? (Please read the page about administrators and the administrators' reading list.)
 * A. At the moment, I'm not doing anything that would be helped by administrator tools. However, I have spent a large fraction of my time here on janitorial stuff: currently only archiving the Village Pump, but in the past I have done some new pages patrol, and some other vandalism-related chores, and I will probably be doing that in the future again; very likely with the administrators' quick reversion tool. And I'll perhaps lend a hand to other chores that need one.
 * 2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikipedia, are there any about which you are particularly pleased, and why?
 * A. I tend to do smaller changes, so it's not my articles that I'm most pleased about. I like the WikiProject Dutch municipalities, with associated template boxes, which I largely wrote. Also, I'm quite proud of the two Wikifun contests I wrote. Currently I'm mainly active in the 2004 Encyclopedia topics project, creating redirects and some stubs.
 * 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and will deal with it in the future?
 * A. I mostly avoid the more controversial articles, When something or someone really annoys me (which happens occasionally), I often take a break from that subject, and when I return a day or so later, I've calmed down. So I don't think most of the stress I've felt about editing here can be seen in my editing. As an administrator, I probably won't touch the more controversial tasks much either.
 * Eugene van der Pijll 19:02, 31 May 2005 (UTC)


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The Puzzle Place

The Puzzle Place is an American children's television series produced by KCET in Los Angeles and Lancit Media in New York City. Although production was dated and premiered on two Los Angeles PBS stations, KCET and KLCS, on September 15, 1994, it did not officially premiere on all PBS stations nationwide until January 16, 1995, with its final episode airing on December 4, 1998, and reruns airing until March 31, 2000. It became one of PBS Kids' most popular series on the line-up since Sesame Street.

On April 3, 2000, Between the Lions replaced it on the schedule of many PBS stations.

Premise
The series follows a multi-ethnic group of children (puppets) from different parts of the United States who gather and socialize at a special kids' hangout area known as the Puzzle Place. In each episode, the characters are confronted with an everyday conflict usually encountered in childhood years, such as making moral decisions, sharing, racism and sexism.

Characters

 * Julie Woo is a Chinese American girl from San Francisco, California. She is very sensitive and caring of her personal possessions and she sometimes tries a little too hard. She especially loves singing; though, outside of the show's musical numbers, her voice can be cacophonous to humorous effect. Performed by Alice Dinnean.
 * Kiki Flores is a Mexican American girl from San Antonio, Texas. She is very outgoing and has a temper. She is also a great chili cook and has a Spanish-speaking cousin named Magdalena (“Hello Maggie”) who helps everyone to learn about acceptance. Performed by Carmen Osbahr.
 * Ben Olafson is a Norwegian American boy from a farm near Renner, South Dakota. Like Jody, he is a child of a single parent, but unlike her, whose are divorced, his father is deceased (“Big Boys Don’t Cry”). He is good at solving difficult puzzles and a talented dancer. Though normally easygoing and friendly, he can be unforgiving when angered. Performed by Jim Martin.
 * Leon MacNeal is an African American boy, possibly of West African origin, from New York City. He wears dreadlocks, gets jealous easily, and sometimes does not think before he acts. He is a fan of hip-hop music and loves basketball. Performed by Noel MacNeal in seasons 1 and 2, with Eric Jacobson puppeteering him to MacNeal's voice in season 3.
 * Skye Nakaiye is a Western Apache boy from the Fort Apache Indian Reservation in Arizona. He always wears a bandanna, a yellow coat, and a feather necklace. He is naturally curious and believes in staying true to his values and culture. Performed by Peter Linz in seasons 1 and 2, and Matt Vogel in season 3.
 * Jody Silver is a Jewish Lithuanian American girl from Cincinnati, Ohio. Her parents are divorced, with her mother living in New York City (“Rip van Wrinkle”). She does not like to be called names, and she can be gullible but is usually enthusiastic. Performed by Alison Mork in season 1, Stephanie D'Abruzzo in season 2, and Terri Hardin in season 3.
 * Kyle O'Connor is an Irish American boy and wheelchair user who appears in some episodes. Initially performed by Drew Massey, and later puppeteered by Allan Trautman to Hardin's voice.
 * Weebus is the group's smart talking super-telecomputer that they use to communicate with people outside of the Puzzle Place. She is also capable of performing automated tasks and playing video clips to answer a question.
 * Nuzzle and Sizzle are the pet dog and cat, respectively, at the Puzzle Place. They are seen mostly in the basement, talking to each other, and acting as animals around the kids. They are usually involved in a subplot. Sizzle was performed by Dinnean, and Nuzzle was performed by Linz in seasons 1 and 2 and Vogel in season 3.
 * The Piece Police are multicolored inhabitants of the Puzzle Place. They communicate amongst themselves using gibberish, although they understand English. It is hinted in some episodes that they all know what Sizzle and Nuzzle are saying. Originally performed by Osbahr, Martin, MacNeal, and Mork, with D'Abruzzo replacing Mork in season 2, and Jacobson and Hardin replacing MacNeal and D'Abruzzo in season 3. D'Abruzzo also provided their singing voices.

Pilot episodes
In early 1994, two pilot episodes were produced for the series known as The Puzzle Works. Eventually, the show was renamed The Puzzle Place shortly before its premiere months later.

Broadcast
Besides the PBS stations in the United States, the series also aired on TV Cultura in Brazil, Discovery Kids in Latin America, RTP in Portugal, Israeli Educational Television in Israel, Fox Kids in Scandinavia, Kids Station in Japan, Channel 5 in the UK, and ABC Kids in Australia.

Home media
During its launch, Sony Wonder (and later KidVision) released The Puzzle Place on VHS.

 * Tuned In (10. Spud Buds and 14. Cute is as Cute Does)
 * Rock Dreams (18. Mad Music Magic and 8. Rock Dreams)
 * Rip Van Wrinkle (17. Going by the Book and 3. Rip Van Wrinkle)
 * Accentuate the Positive (6. Rudy One and 4. Accentuate the Positive)
 * Deck The Halls
 * Sing-Along Songs

Reception
In the weeks after its debut, The Puzzle Place won a great deal of acclaim and "enjoyed an average audience-per-viewing second only to Barney and Friends among shows in the popular PBS daily children's block." It received a citation of excellence from UNIMA-USA for its use of puppetry. In 1997, ten more episodes of the show were "in the works". Toys "R" Us, Sears, and Payless ShoeSource all announced that they would carry merchandising from the series and showcase that merchandise in its own separate "boutique" rather than integrating it with the other products.

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Samia Longchambon

Samia Maxine Longchambon (née Ghadie, previously Smith; born 13 July 1982) is an English actress. She has played the role of Maria Connor in the ITV soap opera Coronation Street since 2000. She also appeared as a contestant on the eighth series of Dancing on Ice in 2013, and won the third series of Cooking with the Stars in 2023.

Early life
Samia Ghadie was born in Eccles, Greater Manchester to Joseph, a French-Lebanese shop owner and Patsy, an English actress whom he met whilst working in Abu Dhabi. Samia lived there for a period as a child. She has a brother named Tariq.

Career
Longchambon first appeared as an extra in Coronation Street at the age of eight and 10 years later she became a regular on the show. She made her first credited TV appearance when she was 11 years old, appearing in an episode of Cracker ("The Big Crunch"). She also made appearances in Children's Ward, Heartbeat, Doctors, There's Only One Jimmy Grimble (feature film) and the children's series Life Force.

In 2000, she beat both Suzanne Shaw and Kimberley Walsh to get the role of Maria Sutherland in the ITV soap opera Coronation Street. In Autumn 2009, she took a short break from her role as Maria in Coronation Street on maternity leave and resumed her role in the show in May 2010. She won an episode of Celebrity Stars in Their Eyes impersonating Holly Valance. She also made an appearance in Bo' Selecta! in 2004 as part of a Coronation Street sketch along with co-star Suranne Jones.

In January 2013, Longchambon was a competitor in the eighth series of Dancing on Ice, partnered with French professional ice skater Sylvain Longchambon. However, she was concussed a few days into the pre-series training and unfortunately eliminated in week eight of the competition, losing out in a skate-off to Luke Campbell.

In 2023, Longchambon won third series of Cooking with the Stars.

Personal life
She married Matt Smith, a property developer, at St Philip's Church in Alderley Edge, Cheshire on 10 September 2005 after a seven-month engagement. On 19 October 2009, she gave birth to a baby girl, Freya, following which she left Coronation Street temporarily on maternity leave. On 4 January 2011, she and her husband announced that they had separated by mutual agreement. On 4 November 2011, she revealed that she had reverted to her maiden surname of Ghadie following a decree absolute which had been granted the same day. In May 2015, she announced her engagement to French professional ice skater Sylvain Longchambon. They married in August 2016. Their son, Yves Joseph Longchambon, was born on 24 September 2015.

Longchambon's father Joseph died of cancer on 14 April 2009.

Guest appearances
Samia has appeared twice on the ITV game show, All Star Family Fortunes. Her first appearance was in a Christmas special in December 2006, when she appeared as part of the Battersby-Brown family. Her second appearance was in May 2012, when she appeared with her own family. In 2008, by then known as Samia Smith, she appeared as a guest on Keith Lemon's Very Brilliant World Tour when the show visited Egypt. On 20 September 2014, Samia appeared as a contestant on the primetime game show, The Chase: Celebrity Special.

title: Samia Longchambon


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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/White Racialists World Union

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was Delete Zzyzx11 (Talk) 06:58, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

White Racialists World Union
Group vanity/advertisement. Zero Google hits for group name. No relevant hits for foundder's name. Not notable. Xcali 18:16, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete with pleasure - I can't verify this via google - if it has escaped google's notice than it is pretty low on the radar. --Doc (?) 19:02, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, nn vanity. Should probably be speedied, if our deletion policies have changed to allow that. --Idont Havaname 20:32, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - not notable and vanity -CunningLinguist 00:25, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete. User blanked it. Nestea 18:08, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete with prejudice. Ha.--MJR 23:49, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete without prejudice.     16:05, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, what they said. -- StopTheFiling 09:47, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - unverifiable Epolk 06:42, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. There are clubs at my university larger than this "world-wide" organization. Gamaliel 16:07, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.


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HRO

HRO may refer to:

 * Boone County Airport (Arkansas), in Harrison, Arkansas, United States
 * Harassment Restraining Order
 * Haroi language, spoken in Vietnam
 * Harold Wood railway station in London
 * Harvard Radcliffe Orchestra in Cambridge, Massachusetts, United States
 * High reliability organization
 * Holme Roberts & Owen, an American law firm
 * National HRO, a communications receiver

title: HRO


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Mapinguari

Mapinguari, or mapinguary (also called the juma), are mythical monstrous jungle-dwelling spirits from Brazilian folklore, said to protect the Amazon rainforest and its animals.

Description
There are various depictions of the mapinguari. Prior to 1933, traditional folklore describe it as a former human shaman turned into a hairy humanoid cyclops. This version is often said to have a gaping mouth on its abdomen, with its feet turned backwards. Creatures with such feet, which confuse those trying to track it, are found in folklore around the world.

In the latter half of the 20th century, some cryptozoologists speculated that the mapinguari might be an unknown primate, akin to Bigfoot.

Others claim that it is a modern-day sighting of a giant ground sloth, an animal estimated to have gone extinct at the end of the Late Pleistocene. These later descriptions may be attributed to David C. Oren, an ornithologist, who heard stories of the creature and hypothesized they might be the extinct sloths. This was met by criticism by scientists at the time, but an article Oren published in 1993 was picked up by major news papers despite no evidence. Skeptics point out that there have not been any fossil records of ground sloths for thousands of years

A 2023 academic study of the 1995 discovery of giant sloth bones “modified into primordial pendants” suggested that humans lived in the Americas contemporaneous with the giant sloth, specifically that “it may have served as inspiration for the Mapinguari, a mythical beast that, in Amazonian legend, had the nasty habit of twisting off the heads of humans and devouring them.”

Terminology
According to Felipe Ferreira Vander Velden, its name is a combination of the Tupi-Guarani words "mbappé", "pi", and "guari", meaning "a thing that has a bent [or] crooked foot [or] paw". Other names by which they are referred to include the Karitiana kida harara, and the Machiguenga segamai.

In popular culture
A reference to Mapinguari occurs in the 2020 animated film The Red Scroll, during the final scene when the character Wupa transforms into a giant sloth monster.

title: Mapinguari


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Talk:Tenes

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Hello I'm an Algerian citizen from the town of Tenes. I know little about the history of my native town "tenes" I want to know the relation between my Town "Tenes" and the mythical personality of TENES the son of Cycnos,keeping in mind that my town is located in orthern Africa in the west of the capital Algiers. Some historiens ascribe the name of this town to its old Phonecian name "KARTHENES" wich means the city of THENES, while others say something completely different:they claim that the Romans conquered northern Africa icluding my town and defeatd the VANDALS who terrorised the civilians and the folks there. The people of the area got happy and decided to reward the Roman army so they gave the saquadron chief's name which was Tenes to their city Carthenes and thus Carthenes became Tenes.

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Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Cantus 3

Case Opened on 18:17, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Case Closed on 06:40, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

Please do not edit this page directly unless you wish to become a participant in this request. (All participants are subject to Arbitration Committee decisions, and the ArbCom will consider each participant's role in the dispute.) Comments are very welcome on the Talk page, and will be read, in full. Evidence, no matter who can provide it, is very welcome at /Evidence. Evidence is more useful than comments.

Arbitrators will be working on a proposed decision at /Proposed decision.

Involved parties

 * Cantus
 * Netoholic

Netoholic is bringing this case against Cantus, on charges that he's failed repeatedly to abide by a previous ruling against him, continues to revert war, fails to gain consensus before making widespread changes, has performed vandalism, has misused anonymous proxies to bypass restrictions placed on him, fails to input edit summaries (particularly when his edits represent major changes), and is generally a persistent disruption to this project.

Statement by Netoholic
While I don't look forward to or enjoy bringing this case, I feel it is necessary in the best interests of the project's editors. I would say "the project", but frankly it is the constant stress and rework required where Cantus is concerned which is the most damaging aspect. This user has learned nothing since his previous Arbitration involvement.

 * Cantus has broken his revert parole on numberous occasions and has been given blocks of various lengths (Block log). These do absolutely nothing to help him avoid the problems leading up to revert wars. After a block, his usual first actions are to re-revert each and every change.  Please note this recent report where hs is shown to have broken the parole four times in one day

 * Wherever Cantus is in disagreement over a page, "slow revert wars" often start. No meaningful dialogue is happening, but Cantus persists in reverting at the rate of about once a day.
 * Terri Schiavo - May 9 to 14 - insertion of a particular template and bit of text., , ,
 * Template:Europe - Mar 10 to May 11 - over a seemingly minor bit of formatting., , , , , , ,

 * When blocked, or to avoid breaking his parole, Cantus has employed anonymous proxies to evade detection. For example, the histories of "Developed country" and "Template:Europe" show IP addresses which are reverting to Cantus' preferred version.  In Jan 2005, Cantus employed anon proxies to edit war with Gzornenplatz.
 * ,, and have recently been used to perform edits which revert directly to Cantus' prefered versions.

 * Cantus fails frequently to submit edit summaries (contribs). Many of these represent reverts or major changes which were not noted.

 * On May 8/9, Cantus made a change to a very commonly used template (see Template talk:Infobox Biography). Before gathering further opinion, he implemented that change. At first, the change was made just to the template, but that broke all the articles.  After User:PRiis fixed the template back, Cantus reverted the template to his version, and proceeded to make an alteration to about 250 articles without leaving edit summaries. This was all done before even 24 hours had passed since he first made his proposal.

 * Cantus vandalized User:Netoholic's user page

 * Cantus' user page (as of today) has a misleading message indicating he is no longer with the project, but this is far from the truth.

I ask the Arbitrators to accept this case so that his status can be corrected as necessary. I also ask that an immediate injunction be placed, banning Cantus from editing any pages except his user space and pages related to this case. -- Netoholic @ 08:05, 2005 May 14 (UTC)

 * To Ambi
 * I'm intentionally limiting my evidence to occurences after the last Arbitration case involving him. The patterns are the same as noted twice before in Arb cases, so I'm not sure what sort of further dispute resolution is recommended by you.  -- Netoholic @ 09:19, 2005 May 14 (UTC)

 * To Grunt and Raul654
 * I understand the initial reaction by you to recuse, but I really don't see where our mentorship agreement necessarily means you would have bias one way or another with regards to my providing evidence against Cantus'. Indeed, we can expect many other people to present evidence should this case be opened. Since this request is currently dead-locked, I'd like to ask you to consider un-recusing. -- Netoholic @ 15:46, 2005 May 31 (UTC)
 * It's not deadlocked anymore - I changed my vote last night (but it got lost in a page duplication). In the meantime, Neutrality has voted to accept, and I've put through the change of vote again. Ambi 16:09, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, thanks for the reply. I guess my point is still there, that I don't see the mentorship arrangement as necessarily biasing, but at least this can move forward now. -- Netoholic @

Statement by Cantus
To Netoholic: Ok, so now that you've been blocked from editing the Wikipedia and Template namespace, you feel so shitty that you want everybody else to suffer from your same punishment? I mean, bringing stuff from four months ago as evidence and declaring previous ArbCom rulings as steps in dispute resolution? This is all really sad, and I await for the arbitrators' quick dismissal of this baseless request. —Cantus… ☎   08:33, May 14, 2005 (UTC)

To arbitrators: Over time I've had a series of restrictions placed upon me by the arbitration committee; these restrictions have been placed without an expiration date (they are equal to life sentences), and there seems to be no policy on how to eliminate these through, for example, good behavior, etc. This makes the whole Wikipedia penal system unfair and counterproductive. I am saddened to say that I won't be able to continue to collaborate to this project if any further restrictions are placed on me, and if these policy flaws are not worked out in time. —Cantus… ☎   14:56, May 31, 2005 (UTC)

Arbitrators' opinions on hearing this matter (5/2/2/0)

 * Reject. Please pursue other avenues of dispute resolution first - most of these are either not recent (and thus have been dealt with by prior cases) or are too minor to stand on their own. Ambi 08:16, 14 May 2005 (UTC) Accept to consider issues of slow revert wars. Ambi 16:09, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * This could be a dispute of substance. Before accepting or rejecting, I'd like to hear the opinion of Netoholic's mentors on whether it seems not a bad idea. Cantus should also note that Netoholic is not presently restricted in the manner described - David Gerard 11:01, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
 * [Now] Accept. Note that Cantus has violated his revert parole again and is currently on a 24 hour block (username and IP) - David Gerard 08:44, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Recuse for obvious reasons. -- Grunt 🇪🇺 14:51, 2005 May 14 (UTC)
 * Accept. -- sannse (talk) 20:18, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Recuse, due to my current involvement as Netoholic's mentor. →Raul654 22:42, May 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm no longer Netoholic's mentor and I think I can decide this case fairly. →Raul654 19:58, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
 * Reject - A clarification request seems more appropriate. If such a request were made, then I'd suggest that admins be more willing to impose week long blocks for serial episodes of one-revert-per-day behavior. --mav
 * Reject ➥the Epopt 23:30, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Accept to consider slow revert wars Fred Bauder 10:58, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * Accept. --Neutralitytalk 06:43, May 31, 2005 (UTC)

Temporary injunction (none)
=Final decision=

Sustained edit warring
2) Sustained edit warring is harmful to Wikipedia.

 * Passed 5-0 with 1 abstention

Use of Sockpuppets
3) The use of anonymous editing or sockpuppets to evade editing bans is prohibited.

 * Passed 5-0 with 1 abstention

Prior cases
1) User:Cantus has been the subject of two prior arbitration cases. Requests for arbitration/Cantus and Requests for arbitration/Cantus vs. Guanaco.
 * Passed 6-0

Cantus 1
1.1) The decision in the first case which involved Cantus Requests_for_arbitration/Cantus provided:

1 Cantus is placed on revert parole, indefinitely, as was applied to Wik. As a result, he may not revert any page more than three times in any 24 hour period. This may be enforced by 24-hour temp-bans at sysop discretion, as per Wik.

2 Cantus is reminded to discuss matters in accordance with good Wikiquette, and is instructed to not engage in personal attacks, harrassment, or provocation.

3 If Cantus gets into further sterile and pointless revert wars in the future, the Arbitration Committee may ban him from editing the pages involved in order to discourage him from wasting his valuable Wikipedia time.

Decided August 1, 2004

 * Passed 6-0

Cantus 2
1.2) The decision in the second case which involved Cantus, Requests_for_arbitration/Cantus_vs._Guanaco, provided, in relevant part:

1) Cantus is banned from editing Clitoris and Siberia and the articles' associated talk pages for a period of one year, for engaging in sterile and pointless edit wars.

3) Cantus is limited to one revert per article per 24 hour period. Should he violate this, an admin may ban him for a short period of time (up to a week).

Decided November 24, 2004

 * Passed 6-0

Slow revert wars
2) User:Cantus, has engaged in lengthy edit warring with respect to a number of articles, see Requests_for_arbitration/Cantus_3/Evidence, Requests_for_arbitration/Cantus_3/Evidence and Requests_for_arbitration/Cantus_3/Evidence

 * Passed 6-0

Use of sockpuppets in revert wars
2.1) User:Cantus has used sockpuppets and anonymous editing in the conduct of these revert wars.

 * Passed 4-0 with 1 abstention

Template talk:Infobox Biography
3) User:Cantus, after minimal discussion, made a change to Template talk:Infobox Biography which did not work on a number of pages and was strongly objected to by other editors, after a time he retracted his change, see Template_talk:Infobox_Biography
 * Passed 6-0

Edit summaries
4) User:Cantus frequently does not enter adequate edit summaries, see his user contributions.
 * Passed 5-0 with 1 abstention

Cantus banned from certain articles
2) User:Cantus is banned from editing the articles Developed country, Template:Europe and Terri Schiavo
 * Passed 6-0

Edit summaries
3) User:Cantus is reminded to provide adequate edit summaries.
 * Passed 6-0

Further revert limitation
4.2) User:Cantus is limited to one revert per article or other page per 30 day period. Should he violate this, an admin may ban him for a short period of time (up to a week).
 * Passed 4-0

Sockpuppets and reverts
5) Should User:Cantus break his revert limitation on any page by using sockpuppets or anon editing, an admin may ban him from that page for up to a month. A list of pages that Cantus is banned from shall be kept for the reference of all.
 * Passed 4-0

Enforcing bans
1) Should User:Cantus edit any article from which he is banned he may be blocked from Wikipedia for a short period, up to a week for repeat offenses.
 * Passed 6-0

Sockpuppets
1.1) Should User:Cantus use a verifiable sockpuppet to edit articles from which he is banned he may be blocked from Wikipedia for one month.
 * Passed 5-0