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Talk:Chuck Munson

Media references and published works
If anybody is really, really curious, they can find a more comprehensive list of my press clippings and a list of where I've been published at my blog Another Blog Is Possible. The blog also has an About Me page and a draft overview of why I identify as an anarchist.

Quote from Critical Studies in Media Communication
Okay, what's the scoop on the use of this article? From the edit summary of the edit at 19:31, we are supposed to learn that this individual "can only be" Munson. At best, this is original research; it might also be unverifiable. thanks... Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:37, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Check almost any other external link on the page; Munson runs Infoshop.org. The ref isn't even necessary to establish he is an anarchist, and can be easily replaced, but it does verify info about Munson and it is a useful piece for readers. скоморохъ  19:43, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * But do you disagree that the use of the reference in this way constitutes original research? Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:48, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I think this is a little abusive of the OR tag. When something as benign as this is totally obvious, please ignore all rules. Murderbike (talk) 19:54, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

 * What you might be thinking of is WP:SYN. And no, I agree with Murderbike; it's clear as day and uncontroversial that Munson is a) an anarchist b) the individual behind Infoshop.org and c) the person referred to in that quote. You can challenge it if you like, but I don't exactly see why anyone would want to. Regards, скоморохъ  19:57, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Yes, of course, synthesis. The reason to object to it is that it makes it more difficult to argue in other cases where something isn't as benign; it doesn't strike me as a good precedent.  As for whether or not he's an anarchist, I have no idea - never heard of him before.  I just think the source doesn't do the work claimed for it here. Why do you consider it necessary to use it? Are there no other sources that will do?  thanks, Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:11, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

 * There's no worry about precedent - Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy. If you look to the first discussion on this page, you will see that Munson himself has listed a number of resources, including Why I am an anarchist for editors use. We don't have to use this specific source here, I just think it would be a shame to remove it altogether as it has a lot of informative material, is a secondary source, and is a reliable scholarly source, unlike much info on Munson online. I'll move it somewhere else. Regards, скоморохъ  20:17, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Thanks. I've also just noticed that the quote refers to someone in DC, but in the intro to the page on Munson here it says that he is in Kansas. (If only it were true that "Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy"!!  People argue in terms of precedent all the time here, and I imagine that's inevitable.) Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:23, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Yeah, Munson's location differed at the respective timesof writing - he did spend some time in DC. It helps in general to keep a firm grasp of Ignore all rules in mind, I think. We wouldn't want to have to find sources for the claim that Tony Blair is expressly not a Martian, for example. Hope the new version of the article is more to your liking. Regards, скоморохъ  20:32, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

 * My take is that this citation was added by somebody to shut up the idiot who was questioning anything and everything about the entry on me. They had a political axe to grind and they took out their problems with me by arguing that I wasn't an anarchist. This "citation trolling", for want of a better term, is an annoying abuse of Wikipedia. It's well-established that I'm an anarchist. The New York Times even published a feature on me that noted that I am an anarchist. People ought to read that article on Slashdot today about the fight between "inclusionists" and "deletionists" across Wikipedia. What this person was doing is similar to the deletionist philosophy. This cited article may be a bit off topic, but I think whoever added it was making a good faith effort to provide citations to shut up the troll. Chuck0 (talk) 04:39, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

New changes
Given that I am an active Wikipedian, people really ought to ask me before they make additions and changes to this entry. This entry was way too long before the recent changes and now some of the changes reflect the agenda of Wikipedia critics. The sentence about my anarchist political beliefs, with the citation to my blog article, is a nice addition, but the addition of words about anarcho-capitalism reflect the priorities of other Wikipedia editors, not any of my priorities as an anarchist. I removed the sentence about my early years, as my religious background is irrelevant and the part about Kansas City, Kansas is completely wrong. I grew up in south Kansas City, in both Missouri and Kansas. Kansas City, Kansas is west of KCMO. Look it up on the map. People outside of KC get that wrong all the time.

The sentence about my involvement in anti-filtering campaigns is also inaccurate. It is true that a briefly ran an anti-filtering website, a fact that is less interesting than my activism against pro-filtering librarians and activists. The sentence falsely implies that the Anarchist Librarians Web was short-lived--in fact, it is still online and has been online for 10 years. I was a co-founder of the "anarchist librarians movement" which got started 10 years ago and currently has an active e-mail list of over 300 people. Chuck0 (talk) 15:39, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

 * I am definitively an "outsider" to this article/topic, and so I have no investment here other than very general Wikipedia principles and policies. I would simply like to observe that, while it is reasonable for a living person as a "subject" to comment on the article and even to edit in particular ways, BLP (and Wikipedia more generally) does not give a privileged position to the "subject" of an article when it comes to editing.  It is simply untrue that the subject must be consulted prior to editing, and decisions about what is "relevant" are a matter of debate and consensus.  Nomoskedasticity (talk) 16:07, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Chuck didn't say that you "must" consult him, just that we "ought" to, which makes a heck of a lot of sense. Murderbike (talk) 16:36, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Right. Perhaps I should have bolded ought to underscore that I wasn't demanding that I be consulted. My point was that I'm here and can answer questions and provide citations. Just trying to be helpful. Chuck0 (talk) 03:53, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Yo, thanks for responding (and not reverting), Chuck. I was motivated to start expanding this article after I noticed your userpage was a better resource on the subject than our article; the sources are scant and I had to fill in the gaps a little in places. So apologies for the error with regard to the Anarchist Librarians Web; the Kansas City info I took from the source. If you want a better picture of your filtering activism, just point us to a source with the info and we will add it in. As for the anarchist without adjectives/anarcho-capitalism reference, I thought it gave the reader a good idea of what kind of anarchist you are. I reworded the sentence to make it less leading, I hope the new version is an improvement.

As regards asking you before making changes to this article, the proposition is of course ridiculous; this is a free encyclopedia which anyone can edit and no-one owns any article. If you intend on monitoring this page regularly, it is probably a good idea to give you a heads-up so that easily-rebutted info such as that on Kansas City can be prevented from going in. I'm still not happy with the state of the article; it relies far too heavily on the subject as a source, is a scattered and patchy biography and has no criticism of someone who is no stranger to ideological/movementarian conflict. For my part, if I continue to try and expand the article (and all articles should be expanded with appropriate content, WP:SIZE permitting) I'll keep in mind your willingness to help keep the facts in check. It's worth remembering though, that your status as a notable Wikipedian affords you no authority here. Regards, скоморохъ  00:46, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Hey Chuck0, it's me, earthworm. I'm not going to edit the article because I know you, but I do echo Murderbike's sentiment that it makes an awful lot of sense to run something by the wold's foremost expert on a subject (which I would think Chuck0 would be on the subject of himself) for accuracy, if we happen to have him on hand.  But I don't think anyone was implying any ownership of the article :-)  delldot on a public computer   talk  02:06, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

 * It's not a big deal, but I'm active on Wikipedia, even if most of that activity means that I'm reading articles and watching pages. Yes, this biography represents a patchwork of edits over the years. That's what Wikipedia produces. I think that the article is too long by current Wikipedia standards, even though I'm an "inclusionist" who thinks that articles should be longer, rather than shorter. This entry was started several years ago, back in the "Wild West" days of Wikipedia. This article was started (not by me) back when most articles didn't have citations and editors were throwing in everything save the kitchen sink.

 * Those of you who know me, or are long time editors, know that this entry has been frequently vandalized, both by people who dislike my politics and several crazies out there who thought they could use Wikipedia to facilitate their attacks. I was active in reverting many of those attacks, until Wikipedia developed a more reliable process of preventing the use of biography articles to attack people. I'm glad that things have settle down. I've also added material to this article back in 2006, just to provide more information about myself.

 * I appreciate that скоморохъ  has been using material from my blog to add citations. Part of the reason why I added that material to my blog was because some editors here were questioning every single fact about me in this entry. The number of "citations needed" that have been added to this article have been excessive, but it's good to see that more citations have been added.

 * I disagree with the suggestion that this entry needs more critical things about me. Adding that material would constitute a personal attack and would fall afoul of current Wikipedia guidelines about biographies and organizations. If I can't add critical links to organizational pages, then people shouldn't be using this entry to attack my reputation. I will end here by reiterating that almost all of the personal attacks that have been directed at me come from crazies and people who nitpick my politics. I'm actually not that controversial. I state my opinions like everybody else. Chuck0 (talk) 03:53, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

 * In the absence of evidence to the contrary, I'm more than willing to take your word for it. Thanks for having an even-handed attitude towards the matter. скоморохъ  00:31, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Anarchism without adjectives
This statement is absurd: "Munson identifies as an anarchist without adjectives, describing himself as "an anarchist who is open-minded about anarchist ideas",[8] and rejects the notion that anarcho-capitalism is a form of anarchism, citing its lack of opposition to "the hierarchical authoritarian capitalist workplace." If that's the case, then he's not an anarchist without adjectives. If a person is an anarchist without adjectives, that means he doesn't care what the proposed system is like, hierarchical auhotarian or not, as long as no one is forced to join that system. That's what anarchism without adjectives is. Voltairine de Cleyre described this way: "There is nothing un-Anarchistic about any of [these systems] until the element of compulsion enters and obliges unwilling persons to remain in a community whose economic arrangements they do not agree to. (When I say 'do not agree to' I do not mean that they have a mere distaste for...I mean serious differences which in their opinion threaten their essential liberties...)...Therefore I say that each group of persons acting socially in freedom may choose any of the proposed systems, and be just as thorough-going Anarchists as those who select another." Claiming someone an anarchist without adjectives while saying he claims that anarcho-capitalism is not a form of anarchism is incoherent. That defies the meaning of the term. Operation Spooner (talk) 04:54, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I call Zaxlebax. We have two claims:
 * 1. Anarchism without adjectives is inclusive of, and only inclusive of, all types of anarchism
 * 2. Anarcho-capitalism is a type of anarchism

 * Munson holds, perfectly consistently, the first claim while denying the second. You hold both claims. The only issue here is whether the second claim is true. To a left anarchist, "anarcho-capitalism" is as coherent as "anarcho-statism" or "dry wetness". There is no logical error, incoherence or absurdity afoot in Munson's point of view, you are just defining your terms differently. Nothing to see here. Skomorokh  05:02, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

 * No, that misses the point of anarchism without adjectives. Read what Cleyre said. "There is nothing unarchistic about.." If someone claims that a proposed "anarchist" system whose adherents don't say they will force anyone into their society is unarchistic, then he's not an anarchist without adjectives. What gave rise to anarchism without adjective is people claiming that each other's systems weren't genuine anarchism. So there is no way possible that he can be an anarchist without adjectives, as it's normally understood, that I can see. Operation Spooner (talk) 05:08, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

 * All it shows is that de Cleyre, Munson and Woodward have different conceptions of what AWA is. Skomorokh  05:16, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Or Munson is using the term without grasping the traditional meaning of the term. But of course no one says one has to be traditional to be an anarchist. Or do they? Operation Spooner (talk) 05:19, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * If they did, your anarcho-capitalists would be in trouble ;) Nah, the way I see it the term just means "I recognize more than one form of anarchism, but the differences between forms are not important to me." Skomorokh  05:25, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Just so we're clear, Anarcho-Capitalism isn't a species of Anarchism under *any* sane definition. Its a very confused and ahistorical pair of words to jam together. Remember, Anarchism is a political tradition whos core claim precludes any collaboration or affinity with Capitalists or others who seek to oppress their fellow human. Obviously. Its not a mere dictionary definition. Duckmonster (talk) 08:05, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

On another note, is this guy even notable enough for an article? Recently the Per Bylund article was deleted because he wasn't notable enough, and he doesn't seem to be any more notable than that guy. Operation Spooner (talk) 05:03, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Two AfD's seemed to think so: first, second. In my opinion, being interviewed by the NYT and WashPo make someone notable enough. Bylund wouldn't get that coverage in a million years. Skomorokh  05:18, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

 * I don't see what that makes someone notable enough for an article. My father for example, has been interviewed by NYT, WSJ, and other newspapers, more than Munson has, but I don't think that makes him notable enough for an article. People are interviewed by newspapers all the time. I don't see how someone getting 15 minutes of fame in a newspaper article make someone notable enough for an encyclopedia article. Operation Spooner (talk)
 * NYT etc are reliable sources. On Wikipedia, if something has had non-trivial coverage (i.e. more than a passing mention) in multiple reliable sources, that means they are notable enough for an article. Skomorokh

Jesus Christ! Do you guys have anything better to do than to argue about this arcane changes to an entry? This entry about little ole me is already too long, compared to most Wikipedia biographical entries. It's even stranger to read a section about my "thought" that emphasizes things that are pretty minor in terms of what I've written over the years. The stuff here about what I think about anarcho-capitalism is taken out of context. The recent changes consitute original research by a person who is simply using this entry to express their personal opinions about me.

At least somebody pointed out that this entry has survived two notability votes. I guess people have documented that I am indeed "notable" according to Wikipedia standards. I'm just wondering where the trophy is. Spooner should understand that several major newspapers have profiled me as a notable anarchist. That's different than being interviewed--I've been interviewed by a variety of media outlets. Don't see why any of this is relevant. The whol point of Wikipedia is to create a democratic encyclopedia. What's the point of Wikipedia if it isn't going to cover notable people in their fields?

It's also amusing to find out that I don't qualify as a de Cleyrist. I know what an anarchist without adjectives is. Do you really think that I've been an anarchist for more than 20 years and don't understand the concept? The whole point of anarchism without adjectives is that sectarian labeling within anarchism just isn't that important. That doesn't mean that an anarchist without adjectives doesn't hold some opinions about where the limits of anarchism lie. An anarchist without adjectives is usually anti-sectarian, but obviously there are some things that aren't anarchism. Chuck0 (talk) 07:01, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * "Jesus Christ! Do you guys have anything better to do than to argue about this arcane changes to an entry?" No, it gives us intense pleasure to debate the minutiae of some obscure policy on a website that is the anal-retentive's paradise; it is where the socially inadequate, particular-to-the-point-of-autism, power-hungry nerds get revenge on the world after a lifetime of persecution by getting to define The Truthtm. Go have a beer or talk to females or something, let us have our fun. ;) Skomorokh  14:24, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Funny. Chuck0 (talk) 16:38, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You're not an anarchist without adjectives. You're just twisting the meaning of the term. Operation Spooner (talk) 05:13, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You are entitled to your opinion, but I know what my politics are. I've identified as an anarchist without adjectives since the 1980s. I know what it means. You don't. I know that you are annoyed with things I've said about anarcho-capitalism, but you should know that I've mellowed a bunch on that topic in the past year. This isn't the place to pick arguments with me or otherwise engage in discussions. Chuck0 (talk) 03:44, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

"Munson identifies as an anarchist without adjectives, describing himself as "an anarchist who is open-minded about anarchist ideas",[8] and rejects the notion that anarcho-capitalism is a form of anarchism, citing its lack of opposition to "the hierarchical authoritarian capitalist workplace." If there is a contradiction here, it's not important. What's important is that the sentence is an accurate statement of the subject's beliefs.  Arguing about possible flaws in his reasoning does not seem germane to an encyclopedia article, unless we can source them from outside.   Silasthecat (talk) 23:47, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Remove article
I'd like to get this article removed from Wikipedia as the subject of this article. Can anybody advise? Do I have to nominate it again for non-notability? I am not a public figure and this biographical article is way longer than articles about famous people. Chuck0 (talk) 16:13, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * We don't delete articles on subject request, and articles that have been kept at deletion discussions (as this one has twice) cannot be deleted except through another deletion discussion (AfD). That said, the decisions to keep in previous discussions were marginal, norms have changed somewhat since, and editors tend to be sympathetic to subject requests, so a deletion proposal would have a fighting chance. If you like I can nominate it on your behalf. An alternative would be to quietly redirect it to Infoshop.org or Alternative Media Project, which would be fine as long as no-one objected.  Skomorokh,  barbarian   16:18, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't participate in Wikipedia any more, so I don't know the current norms or policies. I can live with this article staying here, but only if several things are removed. The main thing I will insist on being removed is the part about where I live. That provides no useful information to this entry and it's a violation of my privacy. I also want the link removed to my personal blog. I think these are reasonable requests. Chuck0 (talk) 00:09, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'd also like removed the following: 1) The sentence about my academic background. Most biographical entries on Wikipedia don't include similar information and this is irrelevant to this entry; 2) the sentence about me working at the University Of Maryland. This entry is already too long for a biography of a non-notable subject, so I think these deletions will actually improve this article. Chuck0 (talk) 00:12, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It's within discretionary range, so no objections from me. Are there any remaining issues with the article?  Skomorokh,  barbarian   21:12, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Can somebody delete the redirect? If the subject is non-notable, there shouldn't be a re-direct either. Chuck0 (talk) 00:55, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Couldn't agree more, to be quite honest. -- Kharay1977TC 01:35, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Remove anarchist stuff?
Can all, or some of the anarchist stuff, be removed from this entry, as I no longer identify myself as an anarchist? The "anarchism" and "anarchist without adjectives" boxes should at least be removed. Chuck0 (talk) 22:26, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * If we are going to go that route then there is not much point in retaining the article; as such, I've redirected it to Infoshop.org.  Skomorokh   22:37, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Why would you do that? Infoshop.org is not me. It's a collective project. Chuck0 (talk) 05:33, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

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Aer Productions
Non-notable advertising, one hit in Google. Delete. --Sn0wflake 23:35, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete unless a rewrite makes this company notable. Vegaswikian 02:39, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 1 Google hit? Surely they can do better!  Unfortunately, we are not a webspace host, so we can't help them.  Delete as spam. --Idont Havaname 03:23, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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User talk:Husky

problems with Minefield
Hello Husky! Minefield seems to dislike ampersand characters in the filename. I had problems with File:War cemetery for World war I in Marchtrenk, Lower Austria, Austria-italian section-field D&E PNr°0642.jpg. I also had the same problems with two other files in the same category (both with ampersand), but the rest worked fine. I'm not sure where do you want to collect bug reports --D-Kuru (talk) 18:15, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , the problem wasn't the ampersand, but the fact that Minefield only accepted Commons URLs and i guess you were feeding it  URLs. I updated the tool: it will now accept any URL, as long as it starts with `http` and includes `/wiki/` somewhere. Hope that helps! [[File:Huskyoog.jpg]] Husky (talk page) 21:20, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the fast reply! I don't think so. The input just was "File:War cemetery for World war I in Marchtrenk, Lower Austria, Austria-italian section-field D&E PNr°0642.jpg". I did not include any website. I got this error:
 * "-","error","File:War cemetery for World war I in Marchtrenk, Lower Austria, Austria-italian section-field D","-"
 * And since it stopped at the ampersand, and this as well as this image were the only ones from Category:War cemetery Marchtrenk (first world war) that didn't work I thought that it might don't like the ampersand since the filename is pretty much the exact same.
 * --D-Kuru (talk) 21:31, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , you're right. I wasn't considering the fact that you were using page titles instead of URLs. It was a bit more complicated, and like you expected, the ampersand was indeed the culprit. Things should work now! [[File:Huskyoog.jpg]] Husky (talk page) 22:00, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Just tested it. Everything seems to work fine. Thanks for the fast fix. --D-Kuru (talk) 12:49, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
 * 👍 [[File:Huskyoog.jpg]] Husky (talk page) 14:30, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

I think I found another batch of filenames: The interesting thing is that these worked: The only idea I have right now is the length of the filename
 * File:SMATRICS high performance charging site Designer Outlet Center Salzburg at Kasernenstraße 1 in Salzburg, Salzburg, Austria-station CCS CHAdeMO plug PNr°0700.jpg
 * File:SMATRICS high performance charging site Designer Outlet Center Salzburg at Kasernenstraße 1 in Salzburg, Salzburg, Austria-station oblique CCS CHAdeMO plug PNr°0703.jpg
 * File:SMATRICS high performance charging site Designer Outlet Center Salzburg at Kasernenstraße 1 in Salzburg, Salzburg, Austria-station oblique CCS CHAdeMO plug close PNr°0704.jpg
 * File:SMATRICS high performance charging site Designer Outlet Center Salzburg at Kasernenstraße 1 in Salzburg, Salzburg, Austria-station oblique CCS CHAdeMO plug near full PNr°0705.jpg
 * File:SMATRICS high performance charging site Designer Outlet Center Salzburg at Kasernenstraße 1 in Salzburg, Salzburg, Austria-station oblique CCS CHAdeMO plug near large PNr°0706.jpg
 * File:SMATRICS high performance charging site Designer Outlet Center Salzburg at Kasernenstraße 1 in Salzburg, Salzburg, Austria-station CCS plug PNr°0701.jpg
 * File:SMATRICS high performance charging site Designer Outlet Center Salzburg at Kasernenstraße 1 in Salzburg, Salzburg, Austria-station CHAdeMO plug PNr°0702.jpg
 * On preview I saw that the files do not exist. The reason is that Minefield seems to remove some parts of the filename. See

 * File:SMATRICS high performance charging site Designer Outlet Center Salzburg at Kasernenstraße 1 in Salzburg, Salzburg, Austria-station CCS CHAdeMO plug PNr°0700.jpg
 * in comparison to

 * File:SMATRICS high performance charging site Designer Outlet Center Salzburg at Kasernenstraße 1 in Salzburg, Salzburg, Austria-station CCS+CHAdeMO plug PNr°0700.jpg
 * The "+" is missing --D-Kuru (talk) 10:38, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , thanks for reporting this. I guess the '+' could be a problem indeed, might be an URL encoding issue. I've made a ithub issue for your problem, hope i'm able to fix this soon. [[File:Huskyoog.jpg]] Husky (talk page) 11:15, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Wikimedia Documentation Directory - the link seems not working
Hello Husky, When addressing the https://hay.toolforge.org/wdd/ nothing more than a black page loads. Is it my fault or is there some problem? OrCer (talk) 13:43, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , no this is not your fault. That project has been deprecated for a long time (although i guess that could be indicated better) which means that when it fails i won't fix it anymore :) [[File:Huskyoog.jpg]] Husky (talk page) 14:30, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Robert Smithson Broken Circle image idea
Hello Husky, I'm Netherzone. I've worked on the Smithson article and have it on my watchlist and noticed the new photo you added of the Broken Circle piece in Emmen. Nice! The new photo is great in terms of letting our readership know what it looks like now, but I have a thought I want to share with you. It also seems important for readers to understand what this earthwork lookedd like when the piece was first made. How about if we include both images nested within one frame along with the dates of the two images. I've never done that sort of image group coding, but it doesn't seem that it would be too hard to figure out. Let me know your thoughts on including a "before" and "after" image. With these types of works that continue to change over time, it seems important. Best to you from another continent, Netherzone (talk) 23:43, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , i definitely agree with you that with works like this it's interesting to see the passage of time and i think a 'before' and 'after' frame would add something to the article. However, the image i've replaced was unfortunately not from when the piece was first installed in 1971, it's actually from a pretty recent date (2009). I'm not sure if it would really add something to the article. But i do think the 2009 picture would work really well in a separate article on the piece. The Dutch Wikipedia actually has an article on the piece, i was a bit surprised the English WP doesn't. If you would be up for it i could make a start by doing a partial translation of the Dutch article, and then maybe you could expand it a bit? [[File:Huskyoog.jpg]] Husky (talk page) 21:02, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
 * all good thoughts and ideas. I'll see if I can find a 1971 photo to pair with the 2009 image to show the progression over time. I agree that Broken Circle is a good candidate for a stand alone article. I've got a fairly comprehensive collection of books on Smithson in my home library. I will see what I can find, it shouldn't be too hard. If you can take a bit of time to start translating the Dutch article, that would be great. I've started a sandbox here: User:Netherzone/sandbox/Broken Circle/Spiral Hill -- Netherzone (talk) 21:49, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
 * great! I wonder if you're able to find a picture from 1971 thats freely licensed... I'll see what i can add from the Dutch article to your sandbox. [[File:Huskyoog.jpg]] Husky (talk page) 09:19, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and started an article: Broken Circle/Spiral Hill. Please add any contributions there, rather than to the sandbox linked above. The infobox image is from 2006, which shows the Broken Circle element much the way it looked when it was first build, based on the non-free images I've found from the original 1971 installment. (No reeds or grasses growing in the water or surrounding the edges of the interior canal; distortions of the banks due to erosion & vegetation "cleaned up", I'm guessing by the city of Emmen as routine maintenance of the work.) Netherzone (talk) 18:58, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , nice work! Really happy that the work now finally has an English article as well. I expanded it with some sources on maintenance and the location. One sentence in the article i was a bit surprised by is this one: After the Sonsbeek temporary exhibit ended, the people of Emmen voted to keep Broken Circle/Spiral Hill as a permanent park. That seems unlikely. The quarry site has as far as i can find in sources, always been private property and used as an active quarry by the De Boer family until 2019. I did find some sources about restoration works on the project in 1972 (i'll add those to the article), but nothing about a public vote. Something very interesting from that article (i hope Google Translate allows you to read the article) is that apparently Smithson made another work for the Sonsbeek exhibition. A Stonehenge-like observatory apparently, that was never fully realised because of ground problems at the proposed site. [[File:Huskyoog.jpg]] Husky (talk page) 10:12, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Husky, The article is looking good. We still need some citations on the unsourced material (which I'm guessing was unsourced in the Dutch version?) Re: the surprising sentence, here is what the Robert Smithson: Retrospective book says: Commissioned as a temporary piece for the Sonsbeek International art exhibition (1971), this work was so popular that the people of Emmen voted to maintain it permanently as a park - but according to what you've written above, it seems this never happened. I think it's best to remove the sentence. If we find something to substantiate this, it can be added back in the future. I'll look for the article you linked. Interesting to know about the unrealized Stonehenge-like project. I looked for a drawing of it in Eugenie Tsai's book and also in the Smithson drawing book from the Kunstraum München, but did not find it. What I did find in Tsai's book is a drawing called Meandering Canal (Emmen) 1971 that was never realized - a canal with four deep "oxbows" and four hills. Very cool looking! It somehow reminded me of the Serpent Mound. Netherzone (talk) 12:19, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , thanks! I'll try and find a source for the fact that the De Boer family worked on the project (it was in the audio tour, but i'll look for a text source). Considering the other fact (about the distance of the site from Arnhem), that seems a bit redundant: that's something that can be verified by a search query on any random map service or an atlas. [[File:Huskyoog.jpg]] Husky (talk page) 14:50, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, and the article is looking really good. Here's a thought - would you be interested in jointly submitting the article as a DYK for the main page? It's eligible for nomination within 7 days of creation. If we are able to source everything (or remove any unsourced content), I'm sure we can come up with an interesting Did you know... "hook", and image. The Smithson quote is quite evocative, might be a good place to start looking for a "hook"? Netherzone (talk) 17:15, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * a DYK would be lovely. Are there specific instances where you think we need more references? I just updated the section on Sjouke Zijlstra who turns out to be a he, not a she (Dutch names are confusing sometimes). A couple of DYK hooks i could think of:

Did you know that...
 * the only work by land artist Robert Smithson not in the US is in a former sand quarry in Emmen, the Netherlands?
 * a 1971 land art piece from Robert Smithson that was supposed to be temporary is still maintained after fifty years?
 * Robert Smithson made a land art piece with a boulder in the center that he suggests is a warning from the Ice Age?
 * an abandoned sand quarry in the Dutch city of Emmen is the location of a famous piece of land art?

Husky (talk page) 11:15, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

 * I was thinking in a quirky direction for a Hook, capitalizing on Smithson’s unique way of talking/writing about his work. We could also consider combining parts of your more factual hooks with the more quirky content to draw in readership.

Did you know that…
 * …the land artist, Robert Smithson was “haunted” by a glacial erratic boulder?
 * ...artist Robert Smithson’s work Broken Circle/Spiral Hill was inspired a 1953 flooding disaster in the Netherlands and felt "haunted" by a glacial erratic boulder?
 * …Robert Smithson suggested that the boulder in the center of his piece Broken Circle/Spiral Hill was a “warning from the Ice Age?”
 * a famous piece of land art has existed in an abandoned industrial sand quarry in the Dutch town of Emmen for the past 50 years?

As to an image, the two I like best is one that you shot in 2021, or one that Gerardus shot in 2009.

Once we decide on these matters, I think the only other thing left to resolve are the three unsourced sentences that end paragraphs. (distance from Arnheim; De Boer family; planting of vegetation by the city) We might want to simply remove these three sentences, but keep them on an off-article “to do” list in the event that one of us can find sourcing in the future. The article is still very strong without these three sentences. - Netherzone (talk) 13:48, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , great suggestions. I think i like your second suggestion the best because it combines the most facts in a single sentence and still feels quirky enough. I added references to the three open facts you mentioned. I leave the choice of choosing the best image up to you, i think it's best if the photographer of one of the two pictures is not involved in that choice :). [[File:Huskyoog.jpg]] Husky (talk page) 14:18, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I too like the second suggested hook, but just realized I need to adjust the wording because it is grammatically incorrect. Here is a re-write:
 * Did you know that...artist Robert Smithson’s work Broken Circle/Spiral Hill was inspired a 1953 flooding disaster in the Netherlands, and he felt "haunted" by a glacial erratic boulder?
 * I prefer your photo for the image, as it is descriptive of the work in 2021, and shows the readers that in 50 years its shape has been maintained. That in itself is an impressive act of devotion towards an temporary work of art that never had an official maintenance plan.
 * Do you know if it is ok to have red links in DYK's? If not, I'll unlink the two in the article for now. Also, do you have thoughts on which of the hooks would make good alternates (or even if alternates are necessary)? I like my #3 and your #2 & #3. Today is a busy day for me but I can work on this tomorrow and Friday, and will nominate in both our names. This has been a fun project to work on with you, thank you! Netherzone (talk) 14:33, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * . I don't know if red links are allowed, it would be nice if that is bait for the next editor/reader to start those articles. I think your #3 and my #2 would be the best alternatives. Great if you can nominate the article, and indeed: a really fun project to work on together. Really glad that this work finally has a proper, well-referenced article. If i ever find any other Smithson works that lack an article i'll send you a message ;) [[File:Huskyoog.jpg]] Husky (talk page) 14:56, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Husky, I'm nominated the article as a DYK. It's listed under articles created on Sept. 6. There is a link on the article talk page to the nomination Broken Circle/Spiral Hill. When you find a moment, did you want to have a look at the nom to make sure I've not made any mistakes? Netherzone (talk) 13:34, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , the nomination seems fine, thanks for making the effort! [[File:Huskyoog.jpg]] Husky (talk page) 21:28, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Depictor and watchlist
Greetings. Thank you for having developed Depictor. It is a fun and efficient tool to tag structured data. Is there a way to configure the tool in order for the files not to be automatically included in one's Commons watchlist? --Webfil (talk) 14:19, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , good question. I think you've probably enabled the 'Add pages and files I edit to my watchlist' preference, which will automatically add all Depictor edits to your watchlist. I don't think i can prevent anything from the Depictor side with that setting enabled. You might be able to add a manual filter to your watchlist to prevent Depictor edits from appearing (all those editors are being tagged), but i'm not sure how that would work. [[File:Huskyoog.jpg]] Husky (talk page) 10:55, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
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 * How nice of you, thank you so much! [[File:Huskyoog.jpg]] Husky (talk page) 10:58, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Hay’s tool directory index stuck ?
Hi, it seems the crawler of your tool directory is stuck in febuary ? https://hay.toolforge.org/directory/crawler.log

Is it normal ? TomT0m (talk) 10:50, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
 * , could well be, the Tool Directory needs some maintenance, but i'm a bit stuck on time for now so this could be a while. In the meantime you could try the new Toolhub, which is supposed to have the same information but more up-to-date. [[File:Huskyoog.jpg]] Husky (talk page) 12:56, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks ! I probably searched for toolhub in the first place, but for some reason yours might still be easier to find. TomT0m (talk) 13:35, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

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Highest Alemannic is a branch of Alemannic German and is often considered to be part of the German language, even though mutual intelligibility with Standard German and other non-Alemannic German dialects is very limited.

Highest Alemannic dialects are spoken in alpine regions of Switzerland: In the Bernese Oberland, in the German-speaking parts of the Canton of Fribourg, in the Valais (see Walliser German) and in the Walser settlements (mostly in Switzerland, but also in Italy and in Austria; see Walser German). In the West, the South and the South-East, they are surrounded by Romance languages; in the North, by High Alemannic dialects. In the Swiss canton of Graubünden (Grisons) only the Walser exclaves in the Romansh part and the Prättigau, Schanfigg and Davos are Highest Alemannic; the Rhine Valley with Chur and Engadin are High Alemannic.

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The distinctive feature of the Highest Alemannic dialects is the lack of hiatus diphthongization, for instance 'to snow',  'to build' vs. High Alemannic,.

Many High Alemannic dialects have different verbal plural endings for all three persons, for instance wir singe(n) 'we sing', ir singet 'you (plural) sing', si singent 'they sing'. Almost all other German dialects use the same ending for the first and third persons in the plural.

There are High Alemannic dialects that have preserved the ending -n which has been dropped in most Upper German dialects.

The Highest Alemannic dialects are considered to be the most conservative dialects of German. The dialect of the Lötschental, for instance, preserved the three distinct classes of weak verbs (as in Old High German) until the beginning of the 20th century.

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Acámbaro

Acámbaro (Otomi: Mä'wada) is a city and municipality in the southeastern corner of the Mexican state of Guanajuato, on the banks of the Lerma River, and the oldest of the 46 municipalities of Guanajuato. Acámbaro was originally a Purépecha settlement which was invaded by the Spanish, and their Otomi allies, in 1526. Acámbaro is noted as a major railway junction, a local transport hub, and the origin of the nationally famous Acámbaro bread. The 2005 census population of the municipality was 101,762, and that of the city proper 55,082. The municipality covers an area of 877.8 km2 (335.01 sq mi) and includes many small outlying communities, the largest of which are Iramuco and Parácuaro.

The municipality of Acámbaro is bordered to the north by Tarimoro and Jerécuaro, to the southeast by Tarandacuao, to the south by the state of Michoacán, and to the west by Salvatierra.

History
The name Acámbaro is derived from a Purépechan term meaning place of magueyes. The first inhabitants of this area belonged to the Chupicuaro culture, one of the oldest in Mesoamerica. Their origin is estimated to be from 1200 B.C. In this region there have been valuable archaeological finds of ceramic that are now exhibited at the local museum.

The city was founded on September 19, 1526, by the cacique Don Nicolás de San Luis Montañés, with the name San Francisco de Acámbaro. It was the first Spanish town in what is now the state of Guanajuato. The evangelization process was undertaken by Franciscan friars, who also constructed splendid structures that remain standing today, such as the Templo del Hospital (Hospital Temple), an aqueduct in the Mudéjar style (1527), and a stone bridge over the River Lerma (1750). The first bullfights on the soil of New Spain were held in Acámbaro, and the Fuente Taurina fountain in the city's plaza commemorates the introduction of the sport to Mexico. Acámbaro is the only city in Mexico that has a fully intact colonial-era aqueduct.

The 18th century brought prosperity to Acámbaro. In that time important religious and public buildings were constructed. Several temples, bridges, and houses were left as remnants of the city's colonial architecture.

An important event in the history of Mexican independence took place in Acámbaro. Don Miguel Hidalgo stayed there on October 22, 1810, and brought a ceremony that declared Acámbaro military quarters for the Ejército Grande de América (Grand Army of America). Hidalgo was given the title of Generalísimo de las Américas (Grand General of the Americas). That same day, a parade of eighty thousand insurgents took place, that demonstrated the speed of growth of the movement: one month prior on September 16 just 800 men responded to the Grito de Dolores and raised arms against the Spanish in Dolores Hidalgo. Because of its strategic location, Acámbaro was the key to the development of the railway in Mexico, and had a major junction, yard and shop facility for the National Railways of Mexico (The rail lines are now owned by Kansas City Southern de Mexico). Acámbaro was the home of the only full scale locomotive repair facility in Latin America that was capable of constructing steam locomotives. During 1944 Acámbaro's mechanical workshop built La Fidelita 296, a steam engine that is a symbol of a time in history of the Acambarense society. La Fidelita is now on display as the cornerstone exhibit of Acámbaro's railway museum. Another souvenir of Acámbaro's age of steam is a large model locomotive that sits on an elevated platform in the center of a major highway intersection east of the city. The model engine was originally intended to be placed in a church as a thanks by railway workers to the Virgen del Refugio (patron saint of the city) for bringing prosperity and jobs to Acámbaro, however, the model would not fit through the doorway of the church. Consequently, it was decided to mount the model outdoors.

Acámbaro has been notable as a point of controversy in the field of archeology as the source of the Acámbaro figures, a collection of about 32,000 clay figurines discovered by German archaeologist Waldemar Julsrud in 1944 near the city's most prominent landmark, the Cerro del Toro (Bull Hill). The figures are claimed to be hoaxes, as some of the figurines resembled dinosaurs (thus implying that man and dinosaurs co-existed) and their discovery is used by some as evidence to support creationism. Many of the Julsrud finds are now on display at the Museo Waldemar Julsrud.

Less controversial archeological artifacts are on display at the Museo de Chupícuaro (also known as Museo Fray Bernardo Padilla), documenting the history of the Chupícuaro people, and the Museo Local de Acámbaro, which has over 4000 relics relating to local Mesoamerican cultures. The Museo Local also contains paintings related to colonial Mexico and the war of independence.

Pan de Acámbaro (Acambaro bread), Acámbaro's most famous culinary export, is a bakery product similar to Jewish Challah (It is supposed that the similarity is not coincidental). The largest of the six city bakeries devoted to the production of Pan de Acámbaro is Tio Sams (Uncle Sam's), which claims credit for its invention. Photos of Acámbaro's annual bread fair

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Robert Barrie

Rear-Admiral Sir Robert Barrie (5 May 1774 – 7 June 1841) was a British naval officer noted for his service in the War of 1812. He was helped early in his naval career by the patronage of his uncle, Sir Alan Gardner, who arranged for him to take part in the Vancouver Expedition. When the Pacific Coast was explored, he had served as a midshipman with Captain Vancouver in 1791.

Career
Barrie served in European waters from 1801 to 1811. He was mentioned in dispatches for his gallant conduct in a fight with a French squadron when, as First Lieutenant of Bourdelais, "though dangerously wounded, he had disdained to quit the deck". Barrie then commanded a number of ships during the French Revolutionary and Napoleonic Wars. In 1804 he had been promoted Captain commanded Brilliant at 24-guns and in 1806 he went to Pomone at 38-guns. On 5 June 1807, he attacked a convoy of seventeen ships, sank three men-of-war, and captured fourteen other warships and store ships. He captured a privateer commanded by De Boissi, the Adjutant-General of France. In 1809, he captured a French warship and five transports. In 1811 he captured a Corsican fort and three French men-of-war. In 1811, he captured several important French prisoners, including Napoleon's brother Lucien Bonaparte on a French ship. He was particularly active during the War of 1812, carrying out several successful attacks on American towns and shipping in the Penobscot River region, and helping to destroy the Chesapeake Bay Flotilla. From 1813 to 1815 he served in the Dragon in American waters, and here again he made many captures. In 1813 Barrie collected runaway slaves from the Maryland and Virginia shores. After a brief period spent living in France Barrie took up the post of Acting Commissioner of the Quebec Dockyard 1817–1818.

By 1819, he served as Commissioner of the dockyard at Kingston. He was active in a number of areas, building and expanding the dockyard and promoting important hydrographic surveys and the construction of canals. Between 1819 and 1820 Captain Barrie, as Flag Officer of the Great Lakes, built the Stone Frigate in Kingston Royal Navy Dockyard to house the gear of the warships of 1812 laid up in Navy Bay. His instructions were to expedite the repair of the vessels at the bases in case of any emergency. From December 1820, the command of Flag Officer of the Great Lakes disappeared from the Navy List. In March 1824 Barrie was listed as "Acting Resident Commissioner, Kingston, Upper Canada" and his headquarters was shown to have been transferred to Kingston.

He cultivated friendships with several important political figures, and on his return to England in 1834 received a number of honours.

Family and early life
Barrie was born at St. Augustine, Florida on 5 May 1774, the son of Scottish surgeon Dr Robert Barrie of Sanquhar and his wife, Dorothea (Dolly) Gardner, the sister of Sir Alan Gardner. His mother returned to England on the death of her husband in 1775, and settled in Preston, Lancashire. In 1784 she remarried George Clayton, a textile manufacturer, while her son was schooled at Neston, Cheshire, and later at Dedham. Between 1784 and 1788, he was carried on the books of HMS Europa as a servant to the captain (his uncle, Alan Gardner) but most likely his first shipboard service was as a junior midshipman on HMS Goliath.

Vancouver expedition
Gardner arranged for Barrie to serve as a midshipman aboard HMS Discovery (1789) from December 1790 until 1795, during George Vancouver's voyage of diplomacy and exploration along the Pacific coast of North America. Many of his letters home survive, describing his experiences of adventure, punctuated by periods of boredom after he exhausted the books on the ships. Barrie gained an acting promotion to Lieutenant on the expedition, and commanded a survey party on the northern coast of what is now British Columbia. He was formally promoted to Lieutenant upon the return to England in October 1795. In 1800 Barrie served in the West Indies under Thomas Manby, who had also taken part in the Vancouver expedition. On 23 October 1801 Barrie received a promotion to commander, and seven months later was advanced to post-captain while commanding the 16-gun sloop Calypso.

Later commands
Barrie took command of the frigate HMS Pomone (1805) in June 1806, serving initially off the French coast and then in the Mediterranean. He captured two significant Frenchmen during this period, the adjutant general of France, Chevalier Charles de Boissi, in June 1809, and Napoleon's brother Lucien Bonaparte, in October 1810, while Lucien was attempting to escape to America from Italy.

On 1 May 1811 with two other ships, he entered the Gulf of Sagone, Corsica, sank three ships and destroyed its fortifications. He was then ordered to bring the British ambassador to Persia back to England, but Pomone was sunk while approaching Portsmouth. The subsequent court-martialled for the loss of the ship acquitted Barrie of misconduct but did censure the pilot.

War of 1812
Barrie took command of the 74-gun third-rate HMS Dragon (1798) in October 1812, and sailed to America during the War of 1812. He participated in the blockade of Chesapeake Bay. He served as the commodore of the squadron for several months, and captured over 85 vessels. His squadron blockaded the Patuxent River between June and August. In September 1814 he joined Sir John Coape Sherbrooke's forces for the attack on the Penobscot River region in the American state of Maine (then part of Massachusetts). Barrie commanded a joint expedition that defeated American militia in the Battle of Hampden, capturing and looting the towns of Hampden and Bangor and destroying the frigate USS Adams (1799). Barrie's rough treatment of the captured towns in central Maine earned the British lasting resentment in that region.

Forces under Barrie went on to destroy the Chesapeake Bay Flotilla.

In November 1813, ten of Virginia slave owner Thomas Whittington's slaves escaped to the Dragon.3 The ship had dropped anchor off St. George's Island near the Maryland shore of the Potomac River, but it was also visible from the Virginia shore. The ten slaves were George, age twenty-five; Jane, age thirty-three; Leviticus, age sixteen; Willouby, age thirteen; Levincy, age ten; John, age ten; Eliza, age seven; Louisa, age five; and Ezekiel and Isaiah, both six months old.4

Post-war
Barrie went onto half pay after the end of the Napoleonic Wars in 1815. He married Julia Wharton Ingilby on 24 October 1816 and went to live in France. He returned to service in January 1819, with the post of commissioner of the dockyard at Kingston, Upper Canada. The post made him senior naval officer in the Canadas, with control over the inland waterways and the port at Quebec. His instructions were to expedite the repair of the vessels at the bases in case of any emergency. He settled at Point Frederick, Kingston and among his achievements was the construction of a three-storey stone warehouse between 1819 and 1820. The building held the equipment of the ships reduced to the reserve under the Rush–Bagot Agreement of 1817. It was used briefly as a barracks, and then refitted to become part of the Royal Military College of Canada by 1876. It still survives, and is known as HMCS Stone Frigate.

From December 1820, the command of Flag Officer of the Great Lakes disappeared from the Navy List. In March 1824 Barrie was listed as "Acting Resident Commissioner, Kingston, Upper Canada" and his headquarters was shown to have been transferred to Kingston. Barrie exerted himself in a number of maritime-related matters, including the International Boundary Commission. He promoted a hydrographic survey of the Saint Lawrence River and the Great Lakes, the building of the Rideau and Welland canals, and relations with the United States. He became particular friends with a number of politicians, including Governors Lord Dalhousie and his successor Lord Aylmer, and Sir Peregrine Maitland and his wife Lady Sarah. During his later time in Canada Barrie considered the possibility of a seat on the executive councils of the Canadas, but received an unpromising response from Sir George Cockburn.

Later life
Barrie returned to England in 1825 and was consulted by the Admiralty on the naval establishments and defences of the Canadas. He was subsequently promoted to commodore first class and returned to Kingston in 1827. In August 1827, the Cockburn, was commissioned as the first of the Rush-Bagot treaty gun-boats. In 1831, he was ordered by the Admiralty to sell off the old warships of 1812 and to prepare to close down the dockyard fit. He remained there until June 1834, when the inland naval establishment was abolished. In 1834, he was ordered to strike his broad pennant and pay off the Cockburn. After the St. Lawrence was sold, for $9925, the other old warships remained as hulks in the Navy Bay or "in frame" on the stocks on Point Frederick. The naval stores were sold, or sent down to Quebec for carriage to England. Barrie, a popular figure in Kingston, left for England.

He was appointed a Knight Commander of the Royal Guelphic Order and was knighted by King William IV. Barrie was promoted to rear-admiral in 1837, and in 1840 was further honoured by being created a Knight Commander of the Bath. Rear-Admiral Sir Robert Barrie died on 7 June 1841 at his seat in Swarthdale.

Legacy
Barrie's time as commissioner in Canada was commemorated in a number of place-names, foremost of these being the city of Barrie, Ontario. Others include Barrie Creek in British Columbia, Barrie Point in British Columbia, Barrie Reach in British Columbia, the village of Barriefield in Ontario, and Barrie Island in Lake Huron.

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User talk:Cheers.loser

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Voiced labial–velar nasal

The voiced labial–velar nasal is a type of consonantal sound, used in some spoken languages. The symbol in the International Phonetic Alphabet that represents this sound is ⟨ŋ͡m⟩.

The labial–velar nasal is found in West and Central Africa and eastern New Guinea, as well as in certain contexts in Vietnamese.

Features
Features of the voiced labial–velar nasal:

Labialized variant
Some languages, especially in Vanuatu, combine this labial–velar nasal with a labial–velar approximant release, hence.

In the Banks Islands languages which have it, the phoneme is written $⟨m̄⟩$ in local orthographies, using a macron on the corresponding bilabial. In other languages of Vanuatu further south (such as South Efate, or Lenakel), the same segment is spelled $⟨m̃⟩$ with a combining tilde.

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User talk:Symon17

I've noticed that you've been testing in articles, although you have been reverting your edits. Please use the Sandbox for any further testing. Thank you. You 23:40, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:Lge K.jpeg
Thanks for uploading Image:Lge K.jpeg. I notice the image page currently doesn't specify who created the image, so the copyright status is therefore unclear. If you have not created the image yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the image on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the image yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page.

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Pilot Hill, Hampshire

Pilot Hill is the highest summit in Hampshire, England, with a maximum elevation of 286 m. It lies around 2 mi to the south-east of Walbury Hill, the county top of Berkshire, which is 297 m high.

The hill is about 7 mi southwest of Newbury on the Hampshire/Berkshire border and is part of the north-facing scarp of the North Hampshire Downs, a chalk ridge within the North Wessex Downs Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty. The upper slopes are open calcareous grassland, while the lower slopes are wooded.

The hill lies within the civil parishes of East Woodhay (which includes the summit), Faccombe and Combe. East Woodhay is within the district of Basingstoke and Deane in the administrative county of Hampshire, Faccombe is in the Hampshire district of Test Valley, and Combe is within the unitary authority area of West Berkshire and the ceremonial county of Berkshire.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ross "Jesus Nixon" Lambie

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Ross "Jesus Nixon" Lambie
I can't verify a word of this. '"Ross Lambie" rollerblader' scores zero googles --Doc (?) 23:41, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable, probably vanity. --Tabor 23:59, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete teenage vanity. I trust. --Etacar11 02:02, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete vanity. This is all BS. --Miketwo 15:00, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * Change vote to Speedy delete this was already speedied once. KFP 17:34, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:New Super Mario Bros.

Nintendo Power isn't included in the table under the reception section
Is there a reason Nintendo Power isn't included in the table under the reception section? MarioGalaxy2433g5 (talk) 23:00, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

 * They’re both made by Nintendo, so Nintendo Power probably can’t be a reliable source for a review of New Super Mario Bros. — NRen2k5 (TALK), 05:05, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Normally, it would be (it has its own editorial staff et al), but, especially for a game published by Nintendo, one needs to be wary in what is being referenced from NP. For instance, it wouldn't be a good idea to reference a review from NP in the Reception section. Content for gameplay, plot, or development would be OK. MuZemike 05:36, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Should we use this image?
IIRC, it would be one less fair use image needed, which would improve the status of the article, and certainly isn't an image of diminished quality. - A Link to the Past (talk) 02:55, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The image is still fair use and copyright violation. Check out the copyvio tag on the image. Box art and such is not fair use and cannot be accepted by commons' policies. It will probably be deleted in no time. The Prince (talk) 14:13, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Sequel
There has been some talk about a possible sequel to the game, if i find the article again i'll post it here —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.153.12.82 (talk) 20:18, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I saw a screenshot in theOfficial Nintendo Magazine but they didn't talk about it Ultamatecharizard (talk) 18:53, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

First Original Mario Platformer since Mario Land 2?
What about Mario vs. Donkey Kong?

- tSR - Nth Man (talk) 00:28, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

 * He has a point actually. That's a side scroller. –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 17:30, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The reference says that it's the first "2D platform game" so I've changed it to that. Gary King  ( talk ) 18:40, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * That doesn’t solve anything. It might even make it worse. MvDK is a side-scroller in limited ways, but it is DEFINITELY a 2D platform game. --WikidSmaht (talk) 20:32, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

What about SMW2: YI?

Stop kidding yourselves guys, MvDK definitely, and SM2: YI definitely counts. So what if it doesn't sound as impressive, it's better than flat out lying, and by saying that it is the "fist side-scrolling game starring Mario" we ARE lying. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.190.89.236 (talk) 20:48, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

 * It's definitely not the "first side-scrolling mario game" since mario land 2, but MvDK is a Game boy spinoff in the Mario Vs. Donkey Kong series. Many people consider it a sequel to DK94 on the Gameboy, which isn't a (mainline) mario game. Yoshi's island is a little more difficult since it's the first game of the Yoshi series, but is sometimes considered as a mario game.
 * I think the best way to say it is "first traditional mario game since ML2" or "First mainline mario game since __"
 * It depends on whether you think Yoshi's Island is a mainline mario game or not. Shrgok (talk) 01:43, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

LOLENGLISH
"making Bowser become a skeleton"

Awesome standards there Wiki. Especially considering the hypocrisy that has lead me to post this section again. The entire plot section is written very weakly. I can't be the only one who noticed this. 199.227.86.10 (talk) 17:52, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Feel free to change it if you think it needs improvement. That particular text that you quoted was actually in the article for only about a week, so I guess no one caught it. Gary King  ( talk ) 18:45, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I like you. :3 But yeah, I would be Bold and change it, but my own English sucks just as bad. So I figured to do the next best thing and bring it to attention. Which someone sure did rather dramatically, ha. 199.227.86.10 (talk) 21:14, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You should have done that before, instead of setting me up like that! MuZemike 07:51, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Stupid comment
Someone posted "[Mario Bros is beyond awsome, totaly cool and lets not forget one of the coolest games ever.]" in the first paragraph - I removed it, but the fact that it got a high quality rating is kind of disturbing.--Veg20xx (talk) 07:38, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * That is a classic example of vandalism, regardless of how benign it is. It has been reverted. MuZemike 07:46, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * What's "a high quality rating" supposed to mean? Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 16:19, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Poor Choice of Words
the first paragraph doesn't make any sense.

"The game was released in North America and Japan in May 2006......first game to be a part of the main Mario series of video games since Super Mario Galaxy in 2008.

how can something before 2008 be after 2008?

i would re-edit this myself but i am not that familiar with the topic

--~5349U11~ 08:34, 17 May 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 5349U11 (talk • contribs)
 * Anonymous user 67.177.64.123 changed the game and year, but did not change the tense of the words before them. I changed it back to Sunshine for now, but the user may have a point: are the Sunshines part of the main Mario series, or just a spin-off group separate from Galaxy (and, for that matter, is Galaxy itself canon)? --an odd name 08:58, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Mario (series), section "Main series", lists Sunshine and Galaxy, so I'd suggest that 67.177.64.123 keep it as before unless they can prove otherwise through some source. :) --an odd name 09:07, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I have not seen any reliable sources ever question whether Sunshine or Galaxy are part of the main series. IMO is highly unlikely that they are spinoffs.--76.65.140.218 (talk) 18:40, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

this game is from nintendo 2006 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.244.80.12 (talk) 16:42, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

POV
Is "leaving a grotesque skeleton" point of view? I thought the skeleton was adorable!

Plot section
Why does the article go into detail of the first boss battle but not world 2,3,4,5,6,or 7?129.139.1.68 (talk) 19:13, 3 May 2010 (UTC) I took the librety of fixing it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.238.255.62 (talk) 19:51, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

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FAR concerns
I'm afraid this article is going to need an FAR soon. Given how popular this game was, I'm surprised by how short this article is. The "sequels" section is unsourced, and there's no discussion of this game's legacy. To my understanding, it's also missing a lot of information about development; only the second and fourth paragraphs are really about development, the rest are either about announcements/release and gameplay changes. JOE BRO  64  17:34, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Scripulous Fingore hoax
There has been a hoax regarding an enemy that does not exist in the game named Scripulous Fingore. Can you add it to the page?--24.44.76.88 (talk) 17:41, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

 * Do you have a reliable source for this that indicates its notability?--Megaman en m (talk) 23:21, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

 * I have a Polygon page about this hoax. https://www.polygon.com/22407992/mario-nintendo-scripulous-fingore-fake-memes-jokes --24.44.76.88 (talk) 14:43, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

 * New Super Mario Bros. isn't even mentioned in that article though, why would it fit here? I'm not sure if this information could fit anywhere on Wikipedia actually, it seems far too niche and not notable enough. Maybe if someone made an article about urban myths in Mario games? That would be completely unprecedented as far as I know and wouldn't make the cut probably.--Megaman en m (talk) 03:48, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Tree
"When Mario lands on top of a tree, it teeters over and eventually falls if he is stationary for too long."

I don't remember a tree platform in the game. Searching in the web, it seems like it was a beta scrapped element that was not present in the actual game. Redjedi23 (talk) 15:54, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

 * I removed it. Do you have any other concerns with this article? QuicoleJR (talk) 18:46, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @QuicoleJR Nope, thank you so much. Redjedi23 (talk) 21:19, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

"New Soup" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Christopher Pizzey

Christopher Pizzey (born 23 December 1976) is a British actor and comedian from London, best known for playing Mr. Stephen in the CBBC series The Basil Brush Show.

Early life
Pizzey was born and raised in London and graduated from the Rose Bruford College.

Career
Pizzey's first notable appearance was as Keith in episode 11.9 of TV series London's Burning. His next appearance was as Busyboy in the Doc Martin TV series. He then appeared in the UK film Anomaly in 2005 as Captain Dale Waxman.

His most long-standing appearance was as Basil Brush's sidekick Mr Stephen in the 2002 remake of the classic Basil Brush show from 2002 to 2005. He appeared from series one to series four as one of the four main characters who all lived in the same flat. This show was regularly repeated on the Channel until the programme ceased to be aired in the late 2000s.

He has also appeared in the BBC soap EastEnders as the character of Andy in a 2006 episode and the Roman Mysteries episode of The Pirates of Pompeii (2007) as the character of Actius for one episode along with an appearance in the BBC daytime drama Doctors in May 2007 as well as appearing in a stage production of The Wind in the Willows at the West Yorkshire Playhouse, Leeds as Mole. In November 2008, Christopher appeared in an episode of The Bill playing Richard O'Leary, a man whose car was stolen. He also appeared as Sarah Jane's father, Eddie Smith, in Episodes 9 and 10 of The Sarah Jane Adventures.

Pizzey starred in the 2007 feature film The Shrine, directed by Duncan Catterall and co-starring Natasha Coulter and Greg Chapman.

He also stars in the Basil Brush co-star Ajay Chhabra's television show Planet Ajay, in which he plays one of the regulars, "Mr Killjoy".

Personal life
Pizzey is of English and Italian heritage. He also has two daughters.

Theatre

 * Biloxi Blues as Don Carney (National Youth Theatre)
 * By Jeeves as Bingo Little (New Vic Theatre)
 * Cinderella as Buttons (Spillers Pantomime)
 * Into the Woods as Jack (Donmar Warehouse)
 * Dick Whittington as Dick Whittington (Richmond Theatre)
 * Dick Whittington as Sleepy Jack (Salisbury Playhouse)
 * Ham as Paul Matthews (New Vic Theatre)
 * Jack and the Beanstalk as Simple Simon (UK Productions)
 * On The Piste as Dave Trueman (Derby Theatre)
 * Peter Pan as Smee (UK Productions)
 * The Basil Brush Theatre Show as Mr Stephen (Basil Brush Ltd)
 * The Demon Headmaster as Lloyd Hunter (Churchill Theatre)
 * The Wind in the Willows as Mole (West Yorkshire Playhouse)
 * Sleeping Beauty as Silly Billy (UK Productions)
 * Up on the Roof as Tim (Oldham Coliseum Theatre)
 * Vincent in Brixton as Sam Plowman (Manchester Central Library)
 * Zigger Zagger as Harry (Royal National Theatre)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vicki Fox

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Vicki Fox
Delete advert for nonnotable online cartoon character that seems to function as a mascot for someone's web design business and puppet show side-project. Alexa ranking for the site was approaching 800,000; fewer than 20 other unique websites appear to link to the site's homepage (81 total linking pages, most of which were hits from the site itself). Only 5 unique external sites link to the site's webcomic page, so that doesn't seem like a very good basis for notability either. Postdlf 23:42, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I have to agree.  I have explored the website, and it does seem like this character is just a promotional tool, with the comic strip as a sideline at best.  I have heard of a Vicki Fox, but that was somebody's furry character that they always depicted in 3D render.  Definitely not this one. --Krishva 08:15, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)

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Grenland Friteater

Grenland Friteater is one of the oldest independent theatres in Norway, based in the small industrial town Porsgrunn. Every year in June, Grenland Friteater organises the Porsgrunn International Theatre Festival.

Startup and members
Grenland Friteater was founded in 1976 by Trond Hannemyr, Lars Steinar Sørbø, Lars Vik and Tor Arne Ursin. Lars Steinar Sørbø was the first Norwegian actor from an independent theatre to become part of a national theatre, Den Nationale Scene in Bergen. Trond Hannemyr, Lars Vik and Tor Arne Ursin are still a part of Grenland Friteater.

In the early 80s, the theatre was reinforced by actors Geddy Aniksdal and Anne Erichsen, and producer Hans Petter Eliassen. From the early 90s, Grenland Friteater has also cooperated with a lot of young talents. Today there are 9 core members, and several freelancers working on the different projects.

Evolution
In the last few years, the theatre has done some bigger projects, many of them outdoors. Some of these are "Smuglere", "Harde Tak" and "Peer Gynt" (Peer Gynt was done in cooperation with Teater Ibsen). The theatre has also done productions for children - one is "En rosenkål for mye" by Gro Dahle.

In the early 90s, the theatre started to arrange the theatre festival "en Sommernattsdrøm", which was later renamed Porsgrunn International Theatre Festival. Having toured a lot, the theatre invited the best performers they knew to Porsgrunn. The festival contains New Circus, comedies and outdoor plays in world class, and it has become part of the city's identity.

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Sunlight House

Sunlight House is a Grade II listed building in the art deco style on Quay Street in Manchester, England. Completed in 1932 for Joseph Sunlight, at 14 storeys it was the tallest building in Manchester, and the top floors of turrets and multiple dormer windows and mansard roofs create a distinctive skyline.

Description
Sunlight House is a 14-storey steel and concrete structure, clad in Portland stone. The building is almost square in plan, with three street frontages, and a large central light-well. There is a basement swimming pool below a leadlight domed skylight at first floor in the centre of the lightwell. Each of the three street façades are seven bays, with the two street corners expressed as three sided towers, which each rise to a four level octagonal turret, topped by a domed lantern and finial. Behind and between the turrets, the top four floors are expressed as a mansard roof with multiple setback square dormer windows, which together with the turrets create a distinctive skyline and a major feature in the city.

20th century
Sunlight House was completed in 1932, at the height of the Great Depression, and was built by architect and developer Joseph Sunlight as the headquarters of his property business, with offices and shops to let. It was originally intended to be 40 storeys high, but this plan was scaled down due to opposition by the city council. On completion, at 14 storeys and 135 ft, it was the city's tallest building until the 1960s (excluding towers and turrets of other buildings), and claimed to be Northern England's first skyscraper. A 40-storey extension proposed in 1948 was never built.

The building was renovated in 1997 when it was found that bolts holding the cladding had rusted through. It now houses offices, shops and a health club. The health club uses the original basement swimming pool.

21st century
CIS bought Sunlight House from Gadaricus in 2002 for £27.5 million and sold it in 2005 to Warner Estate Holdings for £40 million. In 2014, it was bought by Scottish Widows Investment Partners' Property Trust for £34.5 million. In 2018, Aberdeen Standard Investments commissioned a £4 million refurbishment of Sunlight House.

In 2022, the building was acquired by Kinrise in a joint venture with real estate fund Karrev for £42 million. In 2023, plans for the refurbishment of Sunlight House were approved by Manchester City Council.

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