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Santa Maria, Bulacan

Santa Maria, officially the Municipality of Santa Maria , is a 1st class urban municipality in the province of Bulacan, Philippines. According to the 2020 census, it has a population of 289,820 people. representing 7.8% of the population of the province.

Located on the banks of the Santa Maria River, 32 km north of Manila, Santa Maria has been a thriving settlement for almost four centuries. It was founded as a barrio of Bocaue in the early 17th century until it was established as an independent municipality on November 26, 1793, by the Spanish friar Francisco Dominguez Javier OFM. Known before as Santa Maria de Pandi, it is named under the patronage of the Immaculate Conception (also known as La Purisima Concepcion). Its administrative center, the Poblacion, forms the historic core of the municipality. It is surrounded by four rivers and it still largely retains its 2.88 square-kilometer boundaries since the Spanish Colonial Era.

Santa Maria, with a population of 289,820, remains by a significant margin the most populous municipality in Central Luzon, as well as the 7th most populous municipality in the Philippines. It is also the 2nd most populous local government unit in Bulacan next to San Jose del Monte City. The projected population for 2025 was 305,668. There are 142,380 registered voters in the municipality. In the last 2022 election, voter turnout rate is at 88.91%. The said voter turnout rate in the 2022 national elections is the fourth highest among the municipalities in the province of Bulacan.

Its downtown area consists of three highly urbanized barangays: Poblacion, Bagbaguin, and Sta. Clara. It is one of the biggest and busiest commercial centers in the province as it accounts for more than half of all economic activities in the municipality. It is also one of Bulacan's leading financial centers. According to the Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas (BSP) and the Philippine Deposit Insurance Corporation (PDIC), Santa Maria's total bank deposits reached PHP 31.27 billion as of December 2021, this accounts for almost 75% of Eastern Bulacan's total bank deposits. Likewise, Santa Maria is the richest municipality in Bulacan with an assets totaling to PHP 1.87 billion and revenues reaching an all-time high of PHP 1.206 billion as of the 2022 report from the Commission on Audit (COA). It has a relatively high standard of living, with only 4% of the population living in poverty which is one of the lowest in the country (19 out of 1,489 municipalities).

Santa Maria was the home town of José Corazón de Jesús, a Filipino poet popularly known as "Huseng Batute", who started composing his verse as a child. Another native of Santa Maria is Francisco Santiago, a composer who wrote "Nasaan Ka Irog" and other kundiman songs. In the political arena, Santa Maria has produced three Bulacan governors: Jose Serapio (1900–1901), Trinidad Icasiano (1912–1916), Fortunato Halili (1943–1944 and 1946–1951); and two representatives of the second and fourth district: Rogaciano Mercado (1953–1972, 1987-1989) and Reylina Nicolas (2001–2010).

Etymology
Santa Maria got its name from the Immaculate Conception (also known as La Purisima Concepcion). Formerly known as Santa Maria de Pandi, the second name Pandi was derived from pande, Kapampangan word of "blacksmith," cognate of Tagalog word "panday."

Pre colonial (before 1521)
Before the Spaniards came to the Philippines, Santa Maria was just a vast wilderness, inhabited by wild animals and covered by thick and lush rainforests. Aetas and Dumagats are also known to inhabit the place a long time ago.

Spanish Era (1521–1898)
Santa Maria's existence can be traced as early as the year 1647 when it is still a barrio (village) of Bocaue. The barrio was believed to be established on the same period when the Dominicans founded the vast Hacienda de Lolomboy that extends up to the Angat river on the north, Bocaue river on the west, Marilao river on the south and the Pulo River (Pulong Buhangin) on the east.

Santa Maria was founded as an independent town by the Franciscan Fray Francisco Dominguez Javier on November 26, 1793. He began constructing the church which was completed in the early 1800s by Fray Tomas Marti. The construction of the church was viewed as the foundation of the spiritual crusade in the said locality. Natives were converted into Christianity and more people began to inhabit the place. Civil affairs started to take shape and the appointment of the first Capitan del Barrio, Andres dela Cruz, paved way for the permanent establishment of Poblacion, which was the seat of Spanish colonial government. People in those days were just renting their pieces of land. They paid their rents to the friars who were stationed in what is now known as Sta. Clara, a barangay where at present one can see the ruins of a big convento of friars. People from other nearby places such as Balagtas, Pandi, Santa Maria, and San Jose del Monte, paid their rents in this convento. Santa Maria at that time was then called "Santa Maria de Pandi". The people acquired their lands after paying certain sum to the friars and the land became "Lupang Tagalog".

There were 82 capitanes who served the Spanish colonial administration from 1793 to 1899.

American Era and Japanese Occupation (1898–1946)
Under the Americans, the title "captain" was changed to "presidente". The first to hold the position was Maximo Evidente, who served from 1899 to 1900. Of the 12 others who succeeded him, the most popular were Agustin Morales (1928–34) and Fortunato F. Halili (1934–37). Morales was responsible for the construction of the first main water system in the town. Halili, who never drew his salary as executive, later on became Governor of Bulacan. It was during Halili's term as provincial governor when the Capitol building at Malolos was heavily damage due to the aftermath of World War II. He decided to take over and resurge Casa Real de Malolos as a temporary Gubernatorial Office during the period when the Capitol building was severely damaged. It was his effort to rebuild and to reconstruct the Capitol building into its original structure.

During the Japanese Occupation, Dr. Teofilo Santiago, dubbed as Dr. Kamoteng Kahoy for his widespread campaign among the town's citizenry to plant cassava, became mayor of Santa Maria. Santiago was also responsible for the launching of the poultry industry – a livelihood project which earned for the town the distinction of being "The Egg Basket of the Philippines". He was also the "Father of Santa Maria Dairy Plant". After the Liberation, Capitan Ireneo Hermogenes was appointed Municipal Mayor from March 20, 1945, to October 1945. He was succeeded by Marciano Bautista.

From the American colonial rule until the restoration period after World War II, Santa Maria was administered by 12 Presidentes from 1899 to 1937 and 4 Alcaldes from 1938 to 1947.

Liberation period (1947–present)
The post-liberation period saw Conrado Ignacio as the first elected Mayor of Santa Maria (1947–1955). He was succeeded by prominent personalities in Santa Maria local politics such as Ricardo G. Nicolas Sr. (1956–1959/1964–1967), Eriberto Ramos, Sr. (1960–1963), Paulino M. Luciano Sr. (1968–1971), Ricardo D. Nicolas, Jr.(1972–1978) and Paulino Luciano, Jr. (1979–1986).

After the People Power Revolution in February 1986, President Corazon Aquino appointed Dr. Alfredo Perez, who was then the vice mayor of the town, as Officer-in-Charge of the municipality until May 1986, when he was replaced by Ricardo Nicolas, Jr. In December 1986, however, Nicolas was appointed OIC Vice Governor of Bulacan and was succeeded by Benjamin G. Geronimo (1987–1988) and Atty. Ramon H. Clemente (1988).

During the 1988 elections, Eriberto Ramos was elected Mayor and served until June 30, 1992. On July 1, 1992, he was succeeded by Reylina G. Nicolas. Her three terms of leadership gave the municipality various awards and citations. On July 1, 1993, the municipality rose from third class to second-class municipality and July 1, 1996, the income level of the municipality rose again from second-class municipality to first-class municipality. In the 2001 elections, Nicolas ran for Representative of the 4th Congressional District of Bulacan and won a landslide victory with more than 80,000 votes over her closest rival. Nicolas was succeeded by Bartolome R. Ramos.

During the 2004 elections, Jesus Mateo defeated the incumbent Ramos and became mayor of the municipality until 2007. One of Mateo's accomplishments as mayor of Santa Maria was the establishment of the Santa Maria extension campus of the Polytechnic University of the Philippines in 2005. In 2007 elections, Bartolome R. Ramos defeated Mateo and became mayor of the municipality again.

Cityhood
Fourth District Congressman Henry Villarica has pledged to file a house bill to convert Santa Maria into a component city. Last February 29, 2024, Representative Salvador A. Pleyto (6th District-Bulacan) filed House Bill 9998 entitled, " An Act Converting the Municipality of Santa Maria in the Province of Bulacan into a Component City to be known as the City of Santa Maria."

Geography

The municipality of Santa Maria lies 32 km north-east of Manila and is located at the eastern portion of Bulacan. The town is bounded on the north by the municipalities of Angat and Pandi; portion of San Jose del Monte City on the south; Norzagaray and other portions of San Jose del Monte on the east; and the municipalities of Marilao and Bocaue on the western side. Santa Maria is 18 km away from Malolos City, the provincial capital, and 38 km from San Fernando, Pampanga, the regional centre of Central Luzon.

Santa Maria has a land area of about 9092.5 ha. The town is generally plain although hilly at the northern portion. It has a lone body of water – the Santa Maria River.

The topography of Santa Maria is generally flat, however, it is becoming hilly towards the north. This area covers the barangays of Silangan, Mag-asawang Sapa, Pulong Buhangin and some parts of Balasing with landscape ranging from 8 to 18 percent slope. The rest of the barangays have a slope range from level to undulating.

Most of the barangays in the municipality of Santa Maria have low susceptibility to flooding. Those with portion with moderate to high susceptibility to flooding are located along the Santa Maria River and near or adjacent to creeks that are tributaries of the Santa Maria River.

There are 18 barangays with low susceptibility to flooding in the municipality (Manggahan, Santa Cruz, Cay Pombo, Caysio, Pulong Buhangin, Mag-asawang Sapa, Silangan, Balasing, Parada, Tumana, Mahabang Parang, Bulac, Catmon, San Vicente, Camangyanan, Tabing Bakod, Buenavista and San Gabriel). The barangay centers and populated areas in the barangays have low susceptibility to flooding. The portions of the barangays usually inundated are the generally low-lying areas and catchment areas of the barangays and near active creeks and rivers.

Santa Maria was part of the 4th district of Bulacan along with Marilao, Meycauayan, and Obando from 1987 to 2022. It was moved to 6th district since 2021 along with neighboring municipalities Angat and Norzagaray.

Land use
Basically agricultural, about 29.02 km2 or 30.54% of the town's land area is devoted to crop production. Approximately 26.66 km2 of riceland in Santa Maria are rain-fed and 2.36 km2 are irrigated. An area of 32.74 km2 are classified as non-productive agricultural area or open grasslands.

Mineral resources
The town of Santa Maria has rich deposits of gravel,sand and volcanic tuff or adobe. Quarrying has been a good source of livelihood among the citizens.

Climate
Due to its location near Metro Manila, rainfall and climate in Santa Maria is almost similar to the country's capital Manila. The location of Santa Maria in the western side of the Philippines made Philippine Atmospheric, Geophysical and Astronomical Services Administration (PAG-ASA) to classify its weather scheme as Type I. Wind coming from the Pacific Ocean is generally blocked by the Sierra Madre mountain range, a few kilometers east of the municipality.

Its proximity to the equator tends to make its temperature to rise and fall into very small range: from as low as 19 C to as high as 35 C. The Köppen climate system classifies Santa Maria climate as tropical monsoon (Am) due to its location and precipitation characteristics. This means that the municipality has two pronounced seasons: dry and wet seasons. The municipality's driest months are from November to April where it receives less than 60 mm of rainfall. On the other hand, maximum rain period is from June to September where it receives not more than 600 mm of rainfall. Hail and snow is not observed in the municipality.

Humidity levels are usually high in the morning, especially during June to November, which makes it feel warmer. Lowest humidity levels are recorded in the evening during wet season. Discomfort from heat and humidity is extreme during May and June, otherwise it is higher compared to other places in the country. Average sunlight is maximum at 254.25 hours during April and minimum at 113 hours during July, August and September.

Barangays
Santa Maria is politically subdivided into 24 barangays. Each barangay consists of puroks and some have sitios.

Demographics
In the 2020 census, the population of Santa Maria, Bulacan, was 289,820 people, with a density of undefined PD/km2. It is the largest among the municipalities in the Central Luzon Region in terms of population.

Among the 24 barangays comprising the municipality, barangay Pulong Buhangin was the leading barangay in terms of population size with 41,218 persons. Barangay Pulong Buhangin is the ninth most populous barangay in the entire province of Bulacan.

Religion
The majority of the population are Christians. Roman Catholicism is the dominant religion with 91% of the populace professed themselves as Roman Catholics. Santa Maria is under the jurisdiction of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Malolos. There are eight parishes and one quasi-parish in Santa Maria namely: Minor Basilica and Parish of La Purisima Concepcion – Poblacion; Our Lady of Mount Carmel Parish – Pulong Buhangin; Santo Niño Parish – Parada; St. Gabriel the Archangel Parish – San Gabriel; Holy Family Parish – Catmon; St. John the Apostle and Evangelist Parish – Bagbaguin; Blessed Sacrament Parish – Cay Pombo; Parish & Diocesan Shrine of Mary, Mother of the Eucharist & Grace - San Vicente and San Isidro Labrador Quasi-Parish – Partida, Pulong Buhangin. The majority of villages in each barangays have their own chapel and patron saint.

Other religious groups with strong presence in the municipality are the following: Members Church of God International, Iglesia ni Cristo, United Methodist Church, The Church of God, Jehovah's Witness, Jesus Is Lord Church and other evangelical or "born-again" groups, Pentecostal, Islam, and others.

The Members Church of God International, or popularly known as Ang Dating Daan, has multiple coordinating centers or locales in the municipality, namely: Poblacion, Balasing (located in Pulong Buhangin near their border), Bulac, Cay Pombo, Caysio, Gardenville (Pulong Buhangin), and Parada. Although a locale is named after a barangay, members come from the barangay itself and neighboring barangays. For example, the locale of Bulac has members from nearby Catmon and Sapang Palay Proper (San Jose Del Monte City).

UNTV Public Service channel and Members Church of God International has provided many public service activities to Santa Maria such as tree planting, blood letting, free medical missions and free legal consultations. Thousands of residents have benefited from the charity events.

Residential
There are about 45 subdivisions in the municipality of low, medium and high density category. The existing residential hub occupies 1,360 hectares (13.60 km2) of land distributed unevenly in its 12 barangays. These subdivisions used to occupy the stretch of the roads but now they are now developing the inner portions of their barangays. It is expected that within the next ten years, land use development in Santa Maria will represent the sub-urban mix which means that the government will provide development where the level of accessibility is very high. This will provide for the clustering of lower density land uses to help meet housing, employment and public services needs of the people.

Economy

Santa Maria is one of the municipalities in Bulacan with a high population growth rate due to in migration. Its rapid population growth contributes largely to the establishment of more commercial and trading activities as some people see this as an opportunity for business. Industries in Santa Maria include agribusiness, food processing, cottage making, banking, fireworks making, rubber, and textile making.

The public market at Poblacion and the private market in Pulong Buhangin are the major areas for the exchange of goods and services.

On March 3, 2003, President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo issued Presidential Proclamation No. 337 designating the Santa María Industrial Park as a Special Economic Zone (Ecozone).

There are 28 pyrotechnics manufacturers, 5 textile, 87 garment factories, and 9 rubber industries operating in the municipality.

In the Cities and Municipalities Competitive Index 2022 Rankings, the Municipality of Santa Maria was ranked No. 5 for economic dynamism and No. 9 for infrastructure.

Agriculture
Rice, orchard products, corn, vegetables, hogs, cattle, and poultry, and freshwater fish are the major agricultural products of the municipality.

Food processing
There are about 36 food processing establishments in Santa María.

Agro-industrial sector
Industrial activities in Santa María are mostly agro-based. For the past two decades, there has been a great boom in its poultry and hog raising industries. Presently, there are around more than 150 poultry and piggery farms.

The boost in agri-business necessitated the establishment of feed mills and feed trading centres. There are eight commercial feed mills and 15 feed trading centres operating in the town.

There are 20 rice mills in Santa María that accommodate the milling and storage needs of the farmers for their palay harvest.

Cottage industry
There are 10 furniture-making establishments in the town.

Commerce
Santa Maria has one public wet and dry market, the Pamilihang Bayan ng Santa Maria, in Poblacion and several private wet and dry markets (one each in Cay Pombo and in Pulong Buhangin).

The mall has a supermarket, kiosks, a department store, school and office supplies store, bookstore, drugstore, 3 cinemas, hardware, and several restaurants. Convenience stores can also be found in the neighborhoods of the municipality.

Local government
Like other municipalities in the Philippines, Santa Maria is governed by a mayor and vice mayor who are elected to three-year terms. The mayor is the executive head who leads the municipality's departments in the implementation of municipal ordinances and in the delivery of public services. The vice mayor heads a legislative council that is composed of 10 members: 8 councilors and two ex-officio officers: one for the Sangguniang Kabataan Federation President, representing the youth sector, and one for the Association of Barangay Chairmen President as the barangay sectoral representative. The council is in charge of creating the municipality's policies in the form of ordinances and resolutions.

Santa Maria is part of the 6th District of Bulacan.

Tourism

Santa Maria is home to ten resorts located in barangays Pulong Buhangin, Balasing, Catmon, Bulac, Mahabang Parang, Tumana and Lalakhan. These resorts have become the main destinations of the residents from Metro Manila and Santa Maria's nearby towns for their leisure and summer experience. Facilities like swimming pools, convention/seminar rooms, hotel, cottages, and spacious parking spaces that could accommodate fifty buses at a time equipped these resorts. Some resorts accommodate local and foreign tourist for live-in accommodations.

In 2005, over 138,000 tourists visited the resorts in Santa Maria. Sitio Lucia Resort situated in Pulong Buhangin attracted 36 percent of the total volume of resort visitors. 4K Garden Resort of Barangay Catmon came next with 29 percent share. The Summer Resort in Barangay Mahabang Parang settled at the bottom with 2 percent contribution.

Historical places

 * La Purísima Concepción Parish Church
 * Huseng Batute Marker
 * Francisco Santiago Marker

Festivals
The town fiesta of Santa Maria in honor of its Patroness, the Purisima Concepcion is a month-long celebration in February which clearly shows the Marian devotion of the town. The movable feast is held on the Thursday after February 2 which tradition refers to as La Candelaria. It is preceded by the traditional novena of Masses before the feast and High Masses and processions on the Sundays of the month.

Throughout the month several other events are held such as musical variety shows led by popular personalities, outdoor sports exhibitions of nationally acclaimed players, concerts by well known bands and cultural shows.

Most notable during the month of February is the availability of "Tuge", a ready to eat root crop sold by vendors that signify the ambiance of the festivity together with the cool breeze which last right after the celebration of the town fiesta.

The joyous celebration of February takes on a somber mood as the liturgical calendar moves on to Cuaresma or Lent.

Apparently, the devotion was brought by the Franciscans who evangelized the town where the principal celebrations before the War was celebrated at the Lourdes Church which was then in Intramuros. Lost during the War, it was revived by the Hermandad y Cofradia de la Sagrada Pasion y de Maria Santisima de la Esperanza, a confraternity organized in 1999 to spearhead the revival and promotion of the Lenten traditions of Santa Maria from the Jubilee Year 2000 onwards. Incidentally, the Hermandad de la Sagrada Pasion has been an affiliate of the Hermandad de la Macarena in Seville, Spain since 2008 making it the twenty first confraternity to be recognized, the second outside of Spain and the first in Asia.

Sports and recreation
The Philippine Arena is a multi-purpose indoor arena at Ciudad de Victoria, a 75-hectare tourism enterprise zone located in the towns of Santa Maria and Bocaue, Bulacan. With a capacity of up to 55,000, it was the centerpiece of the Iglesia ni Cristo's (INC) centennial, which was celebrated on July 27, 2014.

Sports and recreation activities in the locality are usually basketball, softball, bowling, badminton, tennis and chess. The most common sports and recreational facilities in the town are basketball courts located in school compounds and in other part of 24 barangays. These courts also serve as multi-purpose pavements. A tennis court and a gymnasium named after the late Ricardo D. Nicolas, Jr. was constructed at the FFHNAS campus in Barangay Guyong. There are also two badminton courts in the town.

Bridges
As of 2004, Santa Maria has a network of ten bridges passing rivers and other waterways of the town. All are made of reinforced concrete design girders which are in good condition and passable.

Communications
Communication facilities in Santa Maria are provided by government telegraph (BUTEL), postal system, the Philippine Long Distance and Telephone Company (PLDT), Radio City Telephone Company (RACITELCOM), Digitel telephone Company, Converge ICT, the three major cellular companies (Smart Communications, Globe Telecom, Dito Telecommunity) and two MVNO: (Talk N' Text, Sun Cellular and Touch Mobile).

Water
Water supply is provided by LWUA (Local Water Utilities Administration) through the Santa Maria Water District.

Electricity
The Manila Electric Company (Meralco) is the sole electric distributor in Santa Maria.

Health
Santa Maria has one government-run hospital and seven private hospitals.

Animal health
Santa Maria also have veterinary clinics and an animal pet corner center.

These veterinary clinics handle farm animals and pets. Services range from simple to major surgeries, microchip implantation, vaccinations, laboratory works, confinements, emergency cases, and grooming.

Peace and order
Santa Maria is generally peaceful being served by 51 policemen and 15 firemen. The backlog of manpower requirement is complemented with 480 barangay tanods coming from 24 barangays. Crime incidence is low with 37 cases reported and 33 case were solve resulting to 89.19% crime solution efficiency.

Education

Santa Maria is part of Division of Bulacan under the Department of Education (DepEd). There are 32 public elementary schools and 5 public secondary schools in the municipality. The public schools are divided into three educational districts for representative purposes. Private schools can also be found in the municipality.

There are two tertiary institutions in the municipality. The Polytechnic University of the Philippines operates a campus in Santa Maria.

Notable people

 * José Corazón de Jesús (1896–1932), Huseng Batute – Filipino poet
 * Francisco Santiago (1889–1947), Ama ng Kundiman
 * Jolina Marie B. Reyes (born 1996), A child actress, also known as Krystal Reyes
 * Angel Locsin (born 1985), actress, commercial model and host
 * Alfred Vargas (born 1981), actor
 * Maine Mendoza (born 1995), also known as "Yaya Dub" and one of the co-hosts of Eat Bulaga!

Sister cities
Santa Maria is twinned with:
 * 🇨🇦 Milton, Ontario, Canada (since July 6, 1999)

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Introduction Discussion #3: Proposed Introduction
''The Emerging Church developed in the late 20th Century into the 21st Century as a dialogue in Western Europe, North America, and the South Pacific concerned with the deconstruction and reconstruction of protestant Christianity. Its development stemmed from a mix of a lack of growth in protestant churches, particularly amongst generation x; concern over how the Church would adept to postmodernity; opposition to fundamentalist doctrines and practices in the modern church; a modern neglect of ancient Christian tradition and practices; the need for an ecumenical, catholic Church; increasing suspicion of the market-driven church, mega-church, institutionalized Christianity, and its missiology. By 2005, the Emerging Church was also occurring to some extent in Asia, Africa, and South America affirming scholars and thinkers that the dialogue had grown to become an incipient movement. ''

Based on the discussion we've been having, I would like to propose this change to the introduction. It is a rewrite of the Intro. It maybe a temp replacement until we can write the rest of the article. Feel free to comment. I would like to make these changes within the next 7 days. Thanks. --Artisan949 21:49, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

 * A dialogue supposes that there is some other party, perhaps involved in the discussion. Why not just use the word conversation and identify who it is among: some pastor and leaders in the evangelical church. Which scholars and thinkers are citing that the "emerging church" is a movement? ==charleswear

 * Yes, I prefer "conversation" as well. Don't you think though that conversation means other people / party is involved as well?  At any rate, "conversation" is more genuine of the EC.  The following suggest the EC is a movement: Emerging Churches (manuscript), Gibbs & Bolger; And Becoming Conversant w/ the EC, Carson as well as various other critics.  In this discussion, Jones said that some   aspects of the global EC prefer movement over conversation.  Thus, movement should be included though I know many (including myself) do not agree with that term. --Artisan949 15:53, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Also, charleswear earlier made mention of the redundancy of "incipient." I agree and will drop it from this proposal. With the changes, thus far, the proposal now reads: The Emerging Church developed in the late 20th Century into the 21st Century as a conversation in Western Europe, North America, and the South Pacific concerned with the deconstruction and reconstruction of protestant Christianity.  Its development stemmed from a mix of a lack of growth in protestant churches, particularly amongst generation x; concern over how the Church would adept to postmodernity; opposition to fundamentalist doctrines and practices in the modern church; a modern neglect of ancient Christian tradition and practices; the need for an ecumenical, catholic Church; increasing suspicion of the market-driven church, mega-church, institutionalized Christianity, and its missiology.  In 2005, the Emerging Church was also occurring to some extent in Asia, Africa, and South America affirming scholars and thinkers that the conversation had grown to become a movement. Additionally, there will be a section that addresses the tension between the labels. --Artisan949 17:19, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Is "adept" the word you want to use, or is it "adapt"? charleswear

 * Hah. Oops.  You are right.  Adapt would be correct.  Not adept.  That will be changed whenever we publish.  Thanks.  Do you think everything else is OK?  --Artisan949

 * Without further discussion, changes were made today. --Artisan949 00:08, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I have come late to this whole conversation (pun intended). And, having read the Emerging Church entry found it for the most part to be very weighted to the North American context/world view. The introduction starting off with mention of the South Pacific got to me if you are refering to what is happening in Australia and New Zealand then it should say so. The South Pacific is significantly more that Australia and New Zealand and I am not sure that the church community in a lot of the Pacific islands are going through the experience. --entheos 02:08, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


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 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. — Xezbeth 08:06, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)

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Animé dictdef. Not notable. →Ingoolemo←  talk  04:36, 2005 Jun 7 (UTC)
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Jannali railway station

Jannali railway station is located on the Illawarra line, serving the Sydney suburb of Jannali. It is served by Sydney Trains T4 line services.

History
Jannali station opened on 7 February 1931. The development was requested and largely funded by Sutherland Shire Council. The road bridge over the railway at Jannali was constructed at the same time as the station.

A minor upgrade was completed in April 2013. Improvements included redesigning and rebuilding the ramp on the western side of the station and upgrading the footpath on the eastern side of the station.

The station received a more substantial upgrade in 2017, when a footbridge with lifts was built.

Transport links
U-Go Mobility operates two bus routes via Jannali station, under contract to Transport for NSW:
 * 967: Westfield Miranda to Oyster Bay & Como West
 * 968: Westfield Miranda to Kareela & Bonnet Bay

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 * I'll take another look. Perhaps you were looking at the wrong place. I was looking here: Comparison of audio formats. My main concern is that the AMBE codec is represented. Which, look again, isn't.War (talk) 15:40, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I added it. It still needs to be added to the technical details section.War (talk) 16:09, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

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 * ok...I'm happy to devote my time here to learning new things and helping to make Wikipedia the worlds most awesome and accurate body of knowledge. I'm very happy to see you editing articles. I've learned that unsourced opinions (mine in some cases), are not adequate and I will strive to always bring sourced facts to the table. Happy editing! War (talk) 05:49, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

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I would like your opinion on a subject that is near to my heart at Wikipedia, and that is the issue of “trivia” and the difference between “trivia” and “In Public Culture” and similar section titles. It's my opinion that for the most part, “In Public Culture” sections are a way around a general “dislike” for “trivia” sections, but that the content is the same, that the two titles are synonyms. Wikipedia “discourages” so-called “trivia” but does not disallow it. My point is that “In Public Culture” is almost always “trivia”, and we should strive for honesty. If it's “Trivia”, call it “Trivia”. I feel that it is disingenuous to call trivia “In Public Culture” simply because it is considered “low class”. I say, call it what it is or get rid of it. Your opinion? By the way, again, I'm sorry for being a “douche” to you in the past, I'm working on not being “passive aggressive” ... Am I barking up the wrong tree here? =//= Johnny Squeaky 03:36, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

 * Personally I think trivia is a waste of brain cells and a waste of time. However, there is some trivia that is the "common knowledge" and then perhaps worth mentioning. I probably wouldn't mention it but people (fans) of the topic might consider the information to be very important. I'm having a tough time thinking of an example so I'll make one up. Let's say you invent Sham Wow II and become rich and famous. You get your own Wiki page and your face on the cover of all the magazines you see in the grocery store isle. Next, pretend you own an orange cat named "Shammy". That fact would be trivia. I don't think it belongs on your wiki page. On the other hand, say one night Shammy decides to sleep on your face (as cats will do) and you suffocated to death...then Shammy may be of some historical and cultural significance. I could conceive of a "In Public Culture" section of the article where a "Shammy" is referred to in popular culture as a "particularly embarrassing death" or when people started giving people they hate orange cats as passive-aggressive way of saying, "choke on this". If you give me an article that illustrates what you are talking about I'll look at and give you a better answer. I hope that was helpful.War (talk) 06:17, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

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Isn't that wp:synth, taking the percentage of who agree with You believe there is a God and calling the remainder as did not agree with the stand "I believe there is a God". I wouldn't call the ones who answered You believe there is some sort of spirit or life force exactly atheist either. I would think that the ones who agree with You don’t believe there is any sort of spirit, God or life force would be the number to display. What do you think? I assume you are referring to pg 381 of the Eurobarometer document? Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 10:03, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
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 * Will do. War (talk) 04:07, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Can you please answer my question on Xbox's talk page as you suggested? thanks Grandia01 (talk) 07:10, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I meant the talk page of the article page, so that other editors can chime in also.War (talk) 07:11, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * yes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Xbox_Series_X_and_Series_S#RPG_focus

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And the fact that it isn't a real encyclopedia article is the reason it isn't allowed to be in categories, because categories are only for real encyclopedia articles and not for sandbox pages. Bearcat (talk) 22:25, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

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WikiProjects
Hi Martin, I did some housekeeping on the Chemistry wikiproject. My intention is to give the various effort a combination, so that they can be better together than separate. Please discussWim van Dorst 18:56, 2005 Apr 10 (UTC).

 * Wim, I like the cleaned up version. I suspect it may be better to omit the reference to the HCl article in the participants section, especially as there is no reference to the featured article on Titanium (Put refs to both of these somewhere else?). I like the new chemistry "icon", even though the cynic in me asks why a Dean-Stark trap is  attached to an Erlenmeyer flask!  It's so much more interesting than the standard old benzene ring and so on.  When I get some time (2 exams to give this week!) I will try to start adding in the template to the pages I've worked on.  Please see my comments about the main chembox template- personally I don't like this template, and I think we could do much better now we have a "critical mass" of active chemists.

Thanks for all of your work on this stuff- I feel comfortable with chemistry but get out of my depth when I start getting involved with templates and so on. Walkerma 22:28, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Since you seem interested in chlorides, please see WikiProject Chemicals. H Padleckas 16:45, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi there H. I am in fact currently writing a page on phosphorus tribromide, which I will probably have done by tomorrow.  When writing it I found it was so easy to do the other PX3 compounds at the same time that I have already done tables for these.  I can probably have a page for phosphorus trichloride done within a week, then I will have (albeit shorter) pages finished for phosphorus trifluoride and phosphorus triiodide shortly after that.  I am thinking that while I have all of the phosphorus books out in my office, I may as well do phosphorus pentachloride and phosphorus oxychloride while I'm on, as well as two long-standing goals of mine, triphenylphosphine and triphenylphosphine oxide.  These probably won't get done till after the end of the semester (later May), then I can perhaps look at ethylbenzene too.  Walkerma 18:13, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * My name is Henry. Nice job on Phosphorus tribromide.  Are you finished with it?  Please see Talk:Phosphorus chlorides and Talk:Phosphorus tribromide.  H Padleckas 15:19, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for letting me know your name, Henry! Regarding general vs. specific pages, I have put comments on the individual pages, but I will give a more general response here.  Fundamentally this is almost a philosophical question- and I see each compound like a character in a play, and if the play is important enough (and much of chemistry is) then each deserves its own personality to shine out.  I think that's why I like to show pictures, too.  Also there is the long term aspect- I accept that right now this page is fine for where we are now, but in 5, 10 years, people are going to want to find out specifics on individual compounds, and they will expect to find them on Wikipedia.  We probably need a hierarchy of both general pages and specific pages, of pages on esters and other specific pages on (say) ethyl acetate if these are distinctive and important enough to warrant them.  We have something working against us, namely The Two Cultures, so despite the immense importance of chem & the chem industry to the world our subject is often seen as too difficult for ordinary people, or obscure- but I think Wikipedia is big enough to accomodate individual pages.  (I think for PCl3 there is probably enough to write a book!)  I do accept that many compounds will never warrant their own pages- I took out lots of these when I wrote List of organic compounds- but let's not go too far the other way.

 * As for "family" pages (as I think of pages like this) I think they do fulfil a useful role in the hierarchy, and I for one am really glad that you have taken on many of the hugely important commodity chemicals like the xylenes and the phthalic acids. So I think I would like to keep such pages in place, but if something is important enough it should also have a more general page.  I've been thinking for a long time that we need family pages like Iron(II) or Copper(I) that would give a general description of iron or copper in that particular oxidation state, to supplement pages like iron(II) sulfate or copper(I) chloride, and to cover things like complexes that don't warrant their own pages.  But I'm not going to write any any time soon..!  Walkerma 17:28, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * A presentable draft of a phosphorus halides page is now available for comment at User:Physchim62/Temp. I agree with Dr Walker's comments about "family" pages: they have their place in the hierachy, and all the more so as Wikipedia coverage becomes more complete. They enable us to give some information about compounds which either do not merit their own page or for which we haven't yet got round to writing a better article. Physchim62 13:53, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Hey, that phosphorus halides page looks GREAT! That looks like exactly what I had in mind when I was talking about family pages. This really enhances the quality of the Wikipedia compound pages, if we have pages like this as a layer above the individual compounds.  I look forward to seeing things like PuO2 and MoO3 going up, too.  (I notice someone else started a very brief stub on the latter already).  To meet our project goal, though, we'll have to turn these into full-length articles.

 * I have added a page on phosphorus triiodide, this was half-done about a month ago, I wanted to get it finished off and uploaded. I'd appreciate if Physchim62 and Henry can clean up the page as needed. The Chem. Commun. reference you include too on non-existence of PI5, in case you don't have access to it (I have it on my desk), says that PI4+ I− is very endothermic, most likely PI3 + I2 based on thermodynamics. They made PI4+ AsF6−.

 * By the way, do you want us to call you Physchim62, or are you willing to reveal your real name? Thanks again for great work! Walkerma 18:11, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

 * I have looked at your recently posted Phosphorus triiodide article and made a small correction. When I get a chance, I may make a couple additional small observations on the Talk:Phosphorus triiodide page.  H Padleckas 09:51, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Glad you like the phosphorus halides stublet, and thanks for the details on PI5. You guessed correctly that I didn't have the ChemComm in front of me, but the idea that PI5 is unstable with respect to reductive elimination of I2 seems eminently believable, especially if it's someone like Thomas Klapötke who's saying it!

As for phosphorus triiodide, I deliberately left this one to you as its seems that its main interest is as a reagent in organic chemistry. It might be worth checking the claim in Greenwood & Earnshaw that it is useful as a mild oxygen-atom acceptor. 22:50, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

See Phosphorus Halide pics
See Talk:Phosphorus tribromide and Phosphorus chlorides. H Padleckas 20:12, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

See end of User Talk:H Padleckas about Phosphorus chloride pictures and response regarding Phosphorus trichloride review. H Padleckas 22:08, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Also, in case you haven't seen it yet, see the my POCl3 picture in Phosphorus chlorides and my response to your question on the 103° bond angle reference question on my talk page: User talk:H Padleckas. H Padleckas 09:08, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

FREE BEER (but not yet)
I now have confirmation that phosphorus trifluoride has no large-scale, legitimate industrial uses. However this is not because of toxicity or hydrolysis, simply because its notable use is not large-scale and is no longer legitimate... As for WikiProject_Chemicals, I consider myself a minor participant. For the moment I am working through cleanup, including cleanup of Category:Chemistry stubs but also a lot of translation work. So far my only original chemical contribution is stibine! All the same, rhodium(III) chloride, iridium(III) chloride, Wilkinson's compound and Vaska's compound are on my to do list, and I will take on zirconium tetrachloride and hafnium tetrachloride if you are doing the oxides. My other priority is to improve the level of safety information in these articles, but one thing at a time! All the best, and see you on the talk pages! Physchim62 19:25, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
 * That should be cleanup of Category:Chemistry stubs, if only to prove that I am still a WikiBeginner! Physchim62 19:30, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

 * You caught my attention with the section heading! I have a picture of HfCl4 if you do a page on that.  I would call it Wilkinson's catalyst, by the way.

 * Regarding the safety info, please see the comments & proposed changes to the standard table. One problem with Wikipedia is that it is not a legally reliable source for safety info, so personally I would never dream of using it.  I have the alcohol page on my watchlist, and several times a week there is some drunk who adds something like "Uses- You can get out of your mind by drinking it." Also, there can be so much safety info there is a danger that the page switches from being an encyclopedia entry into being an amateur MSDS page.  I am proposing that we put in just the basics of safety, then for more information you can click a link to see a full MSDS page.  Please give me your comments on this before we standardise on the template, I'd be very interested to hear.

 * Regarding the WikiProject_Chemicals/Organization page, our goal is in fact just to ensure one compound per element. Things like RhCl3 and Vaska's complex therefore help us reach our goal, but something like AlBr3 doesn't.  Of course it doesn't stop people writing several pages on one element (e.g. P halides), but that's separate from the project goal.  Cheers, Walkerma 20:14, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Hey, nice job "Monsieur", on those transition metal compounds, I've been so busy on the template and my students' exams I didn't notice those links turning blue! I like the one on Vaska's complex particularly  I'll scrutinise them more when I have a little more time.

 * TRIVIA QUESTION- worth one free beer, brewed in the Adirondack Mountains, available in my home town of Potsdam, New York, to the person who knows where Vaska did most of his work. Walkerma 23:43, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
 * At TAMU and Clarkson, coincidentally (?) in Potsdam, New York, where he still lives in the area. Read about it on Lauri Vaska ;-). As I don't like beer, I'll let you buy me champagne if ever I might find myself in the SUNY area. PS Thanks for the nice hunt subject for a lazy Whitsun-Monday morning (holiday here in The Netherlands). Wim van Dorst 12:35, 2005 May 16 (UTC).

 * Well done, Wim! I thought you might find the Potsdam connection amusing- it's only a little town in the middle of nowhere, but we have two colleges, so practically all of my neighbours have PhDs! The Clarkson chemistry department is mainly known for its colloid chemistry, but Vaska certainly made his mark too.

Thanks for the support on the List of Schedule 1 substances (CWC) VfD, but you missed the crucial clue in the Arras free beer competition! Phosphorus trifluoride is a chemical weapons precursor, notably in the "military" syntheses of Sarin and Soman (info is PD, but you will excuse me for not shouting the links from the rooftops). Terrorists (Aum Shinrikyo in the Sarin gas attack on the Tokyo subway) and (apparently) the Iraqi government used a somewhat different route to the same compounds (see note above). Otherwise, I agree with your comment that we cannot start making MSDS's for the compounds, but neither can we ignore the safty issue altogether: the way that I see around this problem is to provide a collection of official safety data in the same way that we try to for, e.g., thermodynamic data. See my (still incomplete) article on Directive 67/548/EEC and links thereto to get some idea. Finally, I have to admit that the articles on Wilkinson's catalyst and Vaska's complex are not my work - I only did copy-editing on them once I found them. Physchim62 20:05, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Great question, I had PF3 behind me when I stumbled across your list page, I should have spotted that! Did those metal complex pages come from the French Wikipedia? I've been surprised how little chemistry is in the French version as yet, compared to the German & English ones, why is that? Walkerma 21:49, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
 * No, the metal complex pages were there already, just badly indexed. I found them when I finally sat down and thought I should do a bit of proper article writing and not just cleanup work. I've no idea why fr: is so lousy on chemistry, even es: is better (for a smaller total number of articles, I'm not saying hispanophones are bad chemists ;). The francophones have got decent pages for the elements, but not much else as yet. Personally, I use de: regularly when I'm working through the list of chem-stubs and on other chemistry copy-edits, but I only check fr: in the hope of being surprised one day!
 * BTW, the free beer question was not just a tease: as you seem to be the person keeping an eye on phosphorus halide pages, you should be aware that it is possible, even accidentally, to prepare small quantites of cholinesterase inhibitors while working with them. For the moment, I shall leave the ethical questions to individual editors, even the one who submitted the ricin article, but I let myself draw your attention to the fact that such questions exists!
 * Finally, sorry for not submitting comments for the new chembox: I didn't realise the discussion was going on! Never mind, I suggest that the new version be "road-tested", and reviewed in a couple of months' time. Personally, I think I shall be sticking to for my articles, but that merely reflects the obtruse subject matter that I choose! Physchim62 22:37, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for pointing out the connection- I tend to think of PX3 P(OR)3 as simple compounds that a chemist might use for organic or inorganic transformations, just like all of the other halides I've worked on. I'd thought of those organophosphorus compounds as being a long way from PF3- I'm naive, I suppose.  I was astonished at how extensive the Wikipedia entries for things like sarin, all the more amazing when you consider that until last month we didn't have any entry for PCl3. I think the simple inorganic box is fine (I wrote it!), it's got the basic info in it, without you needing to travel to Lille for books. Walkerma 15:00, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

FREE BEER anyway, seeing as I've had to withdraw my complaint about the preparation of PF3! Only had to go to Lens to do so, and it was sort of on my way home from work! I also picked up enough info to try for a stubbish phosphorus halides page; it will appear here first for comments.

USELESS FACT OF THE EVENING: not even ja: has a phosphorus trichloride page (they have some 600 other chemical compound pages), so we're not doing too badly.

Maggie, Maggie, Maggie...
ARRAS FREE BEER QUESTION: which post-war British Prime-Minister has a Ph.D. in Chemistry? Physchim62 19:15, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Although I know by heart that Margret Thatcher did do chemistry before her political career, but whether she has a PhD? If so, do I have to go to Arras to collect a bottle of champagne? Easier than Potsdam :). Wim van Dorst 20:20, 2005 May 18 (UTC).
 * Yes, you have to come to Atrecht to claim your prize. Disclaimer: Please consult the List that didn't get VfD'd before accepting :) Physchim62 21:19, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't recall whether or not she got her PhD, though Wikipedia doesn't mention a PhD. That would make sense since she was always referred to in England as "Mrs. Thatcher" not Dr. Thatcher (though I lived in Gateshead, solid Labour party (UK) territory, where she was usually called by less polite names). I could be wrong, though. One interesting trivia point- although she rarely gave TV interviews, she did do a special on the chemistry of cooking while she was prime minister!  I suspect she wanted to soften her image, by showing herself as intelligent yet wearing an apron, baking cakes like a good housewife.  The Wikipedia page says she worked as a chemist at an ice cream company.  I'm not aware of any other post-1945 UK PMs that were PhD chemists. Walkerma

Yes, Margaret Hilda Roberts has a Ph.D. in Chemistry. Rumour has it that it was only awarded only the understanding that she would never use it professionally (she studied Law afterwards, but never practised that either). She is also (as PM) supposed to have stopped a draft directive that would have forbidden the production of compounds for which no safety data was available (imagine chemical research...) The rumours are, or course, unverifiable (but persistant)! As for editor bias, I was born about 15 miles from Scunthorpe, 'nuff said! Physchim62 22:04, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Oestrogen chemical infobox
You asked for it. Wim van Dorst 18:24, 2005 Jun 6 (UTC).

 Very amusing, I'm sure, now deleted thank you. I'd have chosen a rather prettier picture myself, like Image:Mirren.jpg. By the way, Wim, I should perhaps mention that I have put User:Wimvandorst up as a Vfd candidate- not the user page, the user himself. Walkerma 18:53, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It wouldn't work: Mirren doesn't have glasses ;-).

PS. Your picture is still on Wikipedia in Image:Walkerma.jpg available. If you don't want that, it really should be deleted. Of course I'm quite willing to delete it, but perhaps you want to use it for your homepage or so. And I checked the Vfd page. Wim van Dorst 20:57, 2005 Jun 6 (UTC).

I will leave it up- it's not as bad as most pictures of me- I will use it from time to time on my user page. Cheers, Walkerma 04:32, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ongoing work

 * By the way, will the new phosphorus halides page use the phosphorus chlorides page as a starting point? I'm almost ready to post my new page (written over several weeks) on vanadium(V) oxide, by the way, and I would very much appreciate feedback and edits. Walkerma 21:26, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

 * I originated the Phosphorus chloride article to cover PCl3, PCl5, and POCl3 as well as any other oddball phosphorus chlorides there happened to be, such as P2Cl4. At the time, I thought it would be difficult to come up with enough material to make full articles for individual compounds.  I admit that it is a rather unfinished hodge-podge of facts and pics.  I have a few more things to add to it and then I would like to leave it to  Walkerma (or does Physchim62 want to work on it ??) to develop this article/information as he sees fit, including perhaps dividing the material into separate articles, or merging/expanding it into a general phosporus halide article with links to important individual compounds.

 * I am also in the process of writing a separate article covering polyphosphoric acid and polyphospates. I have already started this article offline.  So if somebody wants to write about this topic, please let me know, so there's not a duplication of effort.  H Padleckas 09:08, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Is the Vanadium(V) oxide article finished yet? I have looked at it and see some potential "inconsistencies" in it. However, if you're not finished with it yet, I would rather wait for you to finish before I make further corrections.  I also noticed a red link to Chromium(VI) oxide in there, so I made that page a redirect link to Chromic acid, which currently covers chromic and dichromic acids and chromium trioxide.  Please see my comment on the Talk:Chromic acid page.  Also please see my comment on Talk:Phosphorus oxychloride too.  H Padleckas 09:51, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes, I had considered the V2O5 page complete other than the supplementary page. I realise that I have included information on vanadates too, but that seemed appropriate since it is what happens when you play with aqueous solutions/slurries of V2O5 (as with MoO3, I believe). Please bring to light any inconsistencies- the article was written over about a month, by "distilling down" a lot of detail from a variety of sources, so inconsistencies may well have arisen.
 * The V2O5 page is good, but needs some copy-editing (is on my 2DO list...) I am fine with your coverage of vanadates, as the polyoxovanadates formed at intermediate pH values deserve a page of their own. Overall, I think you have struck a very good balance between pure chemistry and industrial applications. Bravo. Physchim62 19:01, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

For more serious matters, I will put any phosphorus halides article in my userspace(at least initially): I have already mentioned my misgivings about the phosphorus chlorides article, but it has the undeniable virtue of being available! After verification, the Preparation sections of Rhodium(III) chloride and Iridium(III) chloride are pretty much ready: I am willing to take on molybdenum trioxide and molybdenum disulfide as well, although I am currently short of the structure diagrams that these articles should really have. Physchim62 22:04, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Don't expect a novel-length article on PuO2, there's just not enough that's worth saying about it. MoO3 is another story! This will need a project to link through to articles on the polyoxomolybdates and on its analytical uses (at the very least). MoS2 looks promising as a candidate to take through to Peer Review: the subject is reasonably self-contained and of general interest. Otherwise, I'm doing remedial cleanup work around group 17 (see, e.g. chlorine fluorides): the noble gas compounds (perxenate, xenon tetroxide, xenon hexafluoroplatinate etc.) will need pulling into shape as well. And I guess my employers will want some work from me before the end of term as well! Physchim62 22:50, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

 * While I'm in a "phosphorus mood" I'm working my way through the Wittig reaction, this important reaction deserves more than a stub. Walkerma 14:42, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Amino acids
Now moved to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals

Back to NMR Spectroscopy
Please see comment on NMR Spectroscopy at the bottom of the web page in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chemicals. H Padleckas 08:59, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Image suggestion
Hello Walkerma! I really like the images you've made for the Wittig reaction article. I have one minor comment, and I hope this isn't too nit-picky. I think the literature reference is very important to include, but not in the image itself. I would consider the literature reference to be "metadata", which should be included in the image description. I wouldn't change any of the images already made, just future images. As I said, this is very minor, but just something I wanted to bring up. ~K 04:19, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

OK, I will follow your suggestion in future. I may redo the Schlosser image anyway, since I inadvertently wrote the "bold" in wikicode instead of real bold- a sure sign I'm spending too much time on Wikipedia! I put the ref in because I can imagine these images (being PD) getting copied and recopied- I see this in students papers all the time- and I judged that having the reference in the image was better. Walkerma 04:26, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Naming of organic compounds with prefixes
Sorry about PABA. Didn't realise. Shame Mediawiki does not document page moves in the history. JFW | T@lk  08:01, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry to butt in on a private conversation, but if this problem has a relevance for style guidelines (and, God knows, we have problems with prefixes) can you make a public summary available? Cheers! Physchim62 14:20, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Nothing new here really- hence no need to put it on the main project page. When I edit list of organic compounds, I regularly find pages that need fixing.  I moved the page in accordance with our "rough style guide", but someone else immediately reverted it.  I pointed out the reason for my move, and he very kindly restored the move.  This is the section from his talk page- User_talk:Jfdwolff.  You can see that I also solicited his opinion on the interface with the drugs Wikiproject (he is a medical doctor and member of that project). Walkerma 14:50, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Menthol image
Hey Walkerma, I read the Menthol article, and it looks really great. You are quite a prolific wikipedian. I like your image of the synthesis of menthol from myrcene. Hopefully, you have it saved somewhere, because you're missing a double bond in the top right structure. I don't mean to be nit-picky, but I thought I should mention it. ~K 5 July 2005 19:24 (UTC)
 * I was about to classify this as an obvious A-Class article, but this blooper and missing the NFPA ratings really blocks such grade. Just kidding: this is again a very good article, Martin. Compliments. Wim van Dorst July 5, 2005 19:38 (UTC).

 * Thanks for the feedback, please feel free to add more modern material, many of my sources are older than I am! I have fixed the blooper, thanks for spotting that. Regarding the NFPA diamonds, I don't have numbers to hand to insert into these- do you get them off MSDS sheets or what?  Regarding the whitespace reduction, Wim, are you aware that you've made the table a lot wider on Menthol?  I actually inserted some  s in so that the table doesn't take over the page.  Can we insert a couple of them back in in the appropriate places? Thanks again, Walkerma 6 July 2005 22:09 (UTC)

Hey, I found the NFPA rating for menthol and put it on the page. I also narrowed the chembox a wee bit. The page looks great. And thanks for fixing the blooper. ~K 7 July 2005 04:10 (UTC)
 * Thanks, K, I was still looking for that NFPA data. And yes, I was aware that I was widening the table, but I just wasn't done yet. The important thing that I reduced are the double hard returns and  's in there that make the table look very erratic in layout. Again, here K did the appropriate thing: first I made it a wide table, using the   with no whitespace (spaces, return, etc) around, and then he put the breaks where they should be. Thanks Martin for starting the article for real, and thanks K for nishing the job. PS. Of course it is in the Fully compliant A-Class on the list of A-Class articles. Wim van Dorst July 7, 2005 19:32 (UTC).

Whitespace

 * Wim, can you give us some general guidance on whitespace etc? Maybe this should go in the style guide or the infobox page?  I did in fact the same thing with menthol, making a wide table then adding in a few breaks as needed to narrow down the page (I do most of my "edits" using preview mode).  I learned HTML in a room full of programmers, who taught me that in writing code you should feel free to space things out and move things onto the next line to make the code readable.  I had thought that the server CPU usage for such things would be minimal, am I wrong?  Many of my carriage returns are in order to make the table clearer (IMHO) to read- though I think in general these tables are horrendously "user-unfriendly"!  So, can you give some guidance on making the code clear and comprehensible yet compact and efficient? Thanks, Walkerma 7 July 2005 20:04 (UTC)

There isn't anything special here: the wiki interpreter just interpretes whitespace differently than an HTML-browser. For Wiki a hard return is a line break, for HTML it is just white space, thus to be ignored. Making an empty line in Wiki-editing is therefore two line breaks, and in HTML that is still ignorable whitespace. And Wiki does odd things with two line breaks, e.g., it inserts 1.5 empty line on what you see on your webpage (depending on which browser you use). A simple recommendation is:

and another simple recommendation:

Note that the results as you see them here are highly browser dependent. Depending on the browser, these two tables may show you small oddities or larger ones. Success with taking precautions against it. Wim van Dorst July 7, 2005 20:39 (UTC).

Naming conventions (chemistry)
Thank you for contributing to Naming conventions (chemistry). I have now summarized the discussion on that page and added certain points which have been discussed at WikiProject Chemicals. Any comments, and especially improvements, on the results would be more than welcome. Physchim62 7 July 2005 11:00 (UTC)

Two cleanups in the phosphorus tribromide chembox
Yeah, right, only two 'cleanups', and now to trace who put a trifluoride under the heading of other ions. I'll help you: it was this guy. As faithful table converter, I of course kept this kind of 'worthwhile' information in ;-). Wim van Dorst July 7, 2005 21:33 (UTC).
 * Wim, I did the fluoride, chloride and bromide all at the same time to save time, and I realised that this mistake was a result of my cutting & pasting- sorry about that! As I see it, SbF3 is too remote from PBr3 as it differs in two ways, not just one, and its not as if there is nothing else closer. Sorry about that! I was only trying to help! Walkerma 8 July 2005 02:58 (UTC)
 * No need to apologize, Martin. All your efforts are highly appreciated, as you know. It did give a nice puzzle to work on (real relation or not), but as I couldn't be sure either way, I simply left it in. Wim van Dorst 19:37, July 13, 2005 (UTC).

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Introduction
What "African American and another black people" means? Maybe afrodescendents it's better. Punk it's not exclusively of african american people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grancricri (talk • contribs) 03:18, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

 * I agree that it is odd to say "African American and other black people". This section seems under-cited. Referring to Afropunk's mission statement could be effective here, to better define its identity. Chelsea.osei (talk) 20:22, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Sub-article?
This article will probably never have enough information it it in order to be a full article, and is essentially a subtopic. Therefore, I recommend it be merged with Punk culture. Falcon 04:41, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Given that it is about category:punk rock groups or Category:Punk genres it probably should go there not to culture Paul foord 5 July 2005 14:07 (UTC)

 * Could become a list

Film
this is an article about a film, not a band. It should be a stand alone article about the film Afro-punk.. the word afro-punk as a descriptor could have a note on the page, but the most notable use of this word, is as the title of the film. I think this link should provide more than enough references. There are also many, many, many links to Afropunk in a google search. Actually, this article really needs to be expanded. Xsxex 21:16, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

 * I agree, though since the film's release more and more people are using the term as cultural description. – Morganfitzp 00:58, 11 August 2006 (UTC) (West Philly)

Split article
The article has been split into Afro-punk and Afro-Punk (film). Both have garnered significance earning them their own articles. Morganfitzp 19:42, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

This article is wrong!
James Spooner, the creator of the film says that this word "Afro-punk" DOES NOT refer to black people who are punks. It is simply the name of the film AFROPUNK. This article shoudl be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.156.151.127 (talk) 02:04, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

 * That's what happens with culture: it changes. The term catch 22 did not exist until Joseph Heller coined it in the book of the same name. When Minor Threat recorded a song called "Straight Edge" they did not anticipate that it would become the moniker for an entire lifestyle politic. With all due respect to James Spooner and the excellent and important film that he has made, Afro-punk has grown to be a word that people use as an adjective ("Have you heard this new Afro-punk band?") and possibly a noun ("Esteban is an Afro-punk.") Morganfitzp (talk) 23:39, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Agreed. This is a terrible argument for keeping the article. Yes, culture does change over time, but it doesn't mean that calling black people "Afro-punks" isn't offensive. It's completely offensive to many black people and being perpetuated by white people who saw a documentary by the same name. I would also wager that these same white people have never spent time with people of color. I find it peculiar that Morganfitz uses the name "Esteban" in his example of using "Afro-punk" as a noun. It's the perfect example of why the article should be deleted. Esteban is a Latino name, not african, as the label "Afro-punk" might suggest. People of color can be any race, not just African. James spooner made a brilliant documentary. Let us leave it as is and delete this article once and for all. Black people in the rock scene do not need a label, but white people seem to have the need to give them one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.41.78.223 (talk) 13:02, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Latino and Black are not mutually exclusive terms. There are plenty of black folks in Cuba, Brazil, and other Latin American countries.

-NR — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.174.90.231 (talk) 03:08, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

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Minto railway station

Minto railway station is located on the Main Southern line, serving the Sydney suburb of Minto. It is served by Sydney Trains T8 Airport & South line services.

History
These days, Minto Railway Station is nothing more than another stop on the timetable much like its adjacent stations of Leumeah (south) and Ingleburn (north). However, this station has a detailed (and busy!) history.

On 29 October 1856, it was announced that the Great Southern Railway was to be extended [single line] from Liverpool to Campbelltown and it was to pass through the Minto Parish. This rail line was subsequently opened 4 May 1858 with stations between Liverpool and Campbelltown yet to be determined.

Progressively, stations began appearing between Liverpool and Campbelltown with Glenfield, and Macquarie Fields having been already added by 1874.

Initially, a temporary platform had been erected next to Campbell Fields for the use of the nearby encamped Volunteer Force on the weekend of 23–25 May 1874 with a service scheduled for the Friday before that weekend. A newspaper report on the activities of that weekend described Campbell Fields as having a "commodious" siding. The Minto Parish was often used as a training ground for the Volunteer force and this platform provided facilities for visitors to alight from Sydney (and elsewhere) to observe the activities. But its future was not guaranteed as the New South Wales parliament debated on its continued existence. In the meantime, the platform was being used by the public at least on an “excursion” basis.

It seems the platform’s future was looking bright as, in October 1876, it was published in the Great Southern Railway timetable as, Campbellfields (although some newspapers, and even government publications, published this name as Campbell Fields) acquiring the name from the nearby property of Dr. William Redfern’s “Campbell Fields”. Initially, the platform was the recipient of three Down services and three Up services (with an additional Up and Down service on Saturdays). Passengers alighting here were to notify the guard of the train at the previous stopping station as this platform only picked up and set down when required. Travel time was approximately 1 hour and 25 minutes from Sydney (via “Parramatta Junction”, Fairfield, and Liverpool).

The future of this railway location received a significant boost when, in 1877, the NSW Parliament Legislative Council stated, "the traffic manager had recommended a new platform and waiting shed for Campbellfields.

By 1882, at some point between February and March, Campbellfields was renamed to Minto. For a period of time, this platform was referred to as “Minto (late Campbell Fields)” in various timetables and government gazettes.

Minto now received four down and four up weekday services with an additional up and down service on Saturdays. Despite additional stops being added to the timetable, travel time from Sydney varied little from the previous 1 hour and 25 minutes.

It seems the platform was important to the community with an 1883 article in the Campbelltown Herald focusing on the duties of the Traffic Inspector at the station where they more than earned, “a fair day’s work for a far day’s wage.” At the time, Minto received goods from the surrounding area such as firewood, and was an offloading point for cement.

The importance of the platform to the community continued to grow and in 1885, a Post Office was established. It was noted at the time that farmers in the vicinity "find the platform very convenient for forwarding their produce".

On 2 December 1890, the NSW Department of Railways issued a tender for "Erection and completion of Waiting Sheds (wood) at Glenfield, Macquarie Fields, Ingleburn, Minto, Leumeah, on the Great Southern Line.". This tender was subsequently won by Le Breton & Son 30 December 1890.

By June 1891, the line between Liverpool and Campbelltown had been duplicated (with some exceptions). It is not clear if Minto possessed a second platform at this time or if it was to receive one at a later date as, “At Glenfield, Macquarie Fields, Ingleburn and Leumeah there will be a second platform, but no other alterations or additions of importance are to be made.” There are indications there were multiple platforms by at least 1895. It is unclear when Minto started to be referred to as a “station” although by 1884 this term was occasionally attributed to the structure.

Throughout the 1890s, Minto continued to be the scene of goods loading (such as firewood, potatoes, mushrooms, lucerne/hay, block wood, fruit, sheep, cattle, and milk ) from the surrounding area and transported to Redfern markets for sale. The surround bush provided a large quantity of wood (sourced mainly from along St Andrews Road ) such that consignees of goods at the station were complaining of their ability to access their goods from the shed. Adjoining the goods yard was, "an enormous [sawmill] and every day two or three trucks of block wood were consigned to the city market."

In the morning, the goods train locally known as the "Minto Truck", would arrive from Sydney, be unloaded, and the trucks shunted off to the siding. Fruit, when in season, would then be loaded into the trucks for collection later in the day. The milk train from Picton (also known as "Milk Pot") would arrive and be loaded with milk cans from the local area. As many as 40 carts would, "back up to unload milk and some had to pull out to let late arrivals unload." These milk cans were, "all consigned through to Sydney for the Dairy Farmers and Fresh Food & Ice Companies."

On 23 January 1902, government announced that land was to be acquired for the construction of a gatehouse on the eastern side of the railway line along Minto Road as well as an expansion of the rail yard. Additionally, the government awarded tenders for the construction of the gatekeeper’s cottage.

Due to the increasing population of the area, in 1903, a movement began to relocate the Post Office from the station to somewhere more accessible while also avoiding the need for people to cross the rail line. The majority of the population, at the time, was located on the eastern side of the railway line.

Meeting minutes from the Minto Progress Committee indicates there being a Goods Shed at the station. The Committee resolved to ask the railway commissioners for a weighing machine and the raising of the milk cart stand.

In 1905, Minto station witnessed the start of a conflagration that allegedly began from a spark from a railway engine and “spread with great rapidity, and covered some miles of country in its course”

Newspaper articles indicate that the rate of firewood stored at the station did not decline over the previous years. And with Minto station being no stranger to it, on 12 September 1907, a fire occurred in the sawmill, [again] allegedly started due to a spark from a locomotive located in the railway yard (although an alternate theory is from a "swaggie's" fire ). The fire began in a stack of about 150 tons of firewood in the railway yard resulting in over 1500 tons (spread over an acre) of firewood having been burnt. The fire required a locomotive with tanks full of water to assist with controlling the blaze which burned for weeks. The sawmill ceased operations as a result of this fire.

From one extreme to another, during March 1913, Minto railway station was the scene of a washaway as a result of storms hitting the area. A washaway nearly occurred again in March 1914 where, “The water is over the railway at Minto, and there is a possibility of a washaway occurring if the rain continues.”

Leading into 1935, Minto station had a yard, a Goods shed, an engine shed and railway workshop. The station was a significant point for the loading of milk from the local area where, "in the olden days the whole length of the platform was a line of milk carts backed up waiting for the 'milk' train."

It appears a significant number of cattle was in the area to produce this milk as, at the time in 1935, Campbelltown Council erected a standpipe and water trough near the station for watering stock.

Electricity came to Minto in 1935 and the Railway Department soon took advantage of it as it announced on 17 September 1937, that electric lighting was to be installed at the station. This followed the announcement by the Railway Commissioners in August 1929 to allow for the electricity main running along the southern line to be, “tapped at Minto to provide current for the town.”

Station gardens were a long-established tradition for railway stations. The Railway Commissioners even established a competition judging the best gardens. In 1938, it was Minto’s turn to receive a mention having secured, “a Special Prize of £1/1/- for a newly formed garden.”

By 1943, Minto station was still a stop of significance but it’s time as a stop for all trains passing through had ceased. The Southern Highlands Express discontinued allowing passengers from Sydney to alight at Minto (among other nearby stations) causing some consternation in the community. During World War II, a large shed was erected besides the goods shed and was used by the Department of the Army to store biscuits.

In its history, Minto hosted three level crossings: two to the north with one at 30 miles 35 chains and 50 links, and the other at Minto Road (30 miles and 22 chains), and one on the south side at Redfern Road. In 1922, a petition to the railway commissioners was successful resulting in the installation of, “wicket gates” at the Sydney-side level crossing.

By 1954, however, the number of crossings was to be rationalised to one when the Office of the Secretary for Railways announced the closure of the northern crossings. The last remnants hinting at this crossing is the gatekeeper’s cottage (constructed in 1902 ) on the curve of Minto Road near the railway line.

At some point after World War II and the electrification of the line, the daily goods train ceased to operate due to changes in modes of transporting goods from the area. As a result, the goods yard and trucking facilities became redundant. Subsequently, the goods yard, siding, and associated infrastructure, was removed.

The next major event for the station was the electrification of the line from Liverpool to Campbelltown in 1968.

The last railway crossing was removed in 1993 via the construction of the Ben Lomond overbridge south of the previous crossing.

The Southern Sydney Freight Line passes by the western side of the station. As part of its construction work, Minto received an upgrade with lifts to the platforms, which was complete in 2012.

Since the second half of 2017, Minto railway station has been served exclusively by the Airport and East Hills line, meaning commuters have to change at Glenfield to travel to either the city via Granville or to Blacktown via the Cumberland Line.

Freight
Since 2013, long-distance freight trains have had their own separate track, the Southern Sydney Freight Line.

The Macarthur International Shipping Terminal which is an inland port is owned by Qube Logistics and is located south of Minto station. It consists of a crossover and a siding. Qube Logistics operates both trip trains which carry containers from Port Botany. Qube also runs these trains to its facilities at Yennora and its newly opened terminal at Moorebank. Qube also runs malt and barley trains from Melbourne to Minto. These services run to Enfield Yard where the locomotives switch ends before continuing the journey to Minto.

Transport links
Transit Systems operates five bus routes via Minto station, under contract to Transport for NSW:
 * 850: to Narellan
 * 873: to Ingleburn
 * 874: to Raby
 * 875: to St Andrews
 * 880: to Campbelltown station

Minto station is served by one NightRide route:
 * N30: Macarthur station to Town Hall station

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miranda Tedholm

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was Delete. Also, Mirandom seems to not want it userfied. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 16:22, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Miranda Tedholm
I am Miranda Tedholm (no, really), and I'd much rather have this page be created once I've actually accomplished something in life. Until then, it's a vanity page, I didn't write it, and it makes me kind of uncomfortable. I am flattered, though, that someone wrote it. I hope I did this right. Mirandom 04:43, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)Ŵ
 * Keep HELL NAH, cause all I wanna do is THUG. -BrowardBulldawg 06:42, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as she requested, although nominating an article on herself for deletion in the wave of vanity articles we see certainly makes her notable. Good luck. DS1953 07:28, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy userfy If she really wants it gone, though, delete is fine with me, too. --Xcali 19:00, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable (yet). Why userfy at all if the subject is uncomfortable with the page? -- BD2412 talk 19:40, 2005 Jun 7 (UTC)
 * Userfy or delete whichever Mirandom prefers (Mirandom, "userfy" is slang for "put on the user's personal page"). And a belated welcome to Wikipedia! Dpbsmith (talk) 19:44, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as requested, much as I appreciate academic achievement and foreign artsy films, isn't notable quite yet. Average Earthman 21:51, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak keep, since when we're deleting articles on request? User:Mirandom may just as well be an impersonator or something.  Grue   09:43, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable.  Grue   07:08, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Userfy or delete, regardless of the request this person is not particularly notable as of yet (just like she claims) since she organizes a local film festival. Radiant_ >|< 12:29, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. The subject requested it, and it would set a very bad precedent to keep articles on non-notable people who request the article be deleted.  Kaibabsquirrel 06:11, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages.  Please do not edit this page .