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User talk:Icarus3/Archive2

This archive spans March 2006 through September 2006.
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User: Raccoon Fox
thanks for helping me remove the duplicate templates on my page.

Raccoon Fox 04:46, 20 March 2006 (UTC

Alternative Living AfD
Dear Icarus3, I'm new to Wikipedia & have just created the Alternative Living page. I've noticed that you've placed the following tags on the top page: (cur) (last) 07:57, 20 March 2006 Icarus3 (adding AfD tag) (cur) (last) 07:56, 20 March 2006 Icarus3 (NPOV tag)

The page is new, and a work in progress, still learning the rope here. Would like to hear your advice and input on the code of practice at Wikipedia.

sincerely, WikiSoul
 * Thanks for your interest in Wikipedia, and especially for being open to learning instead of getting mad and removing tags you don't like. You wouldn't believe how many people do that!

 * The best place to start is with the links in the welcome message that Kukini left on your talk page. If you're wondering what policies in particular I believe Alternative Living is in violation, check out WP:NOT and WP:SPAM.  As for the POV tag, that is because is is, so far, reporting only one point of view.  It reads more like an advertisement for a certain dietary lifestyle than a neutral article about it (or even an actual article, covering a topic distinct from the numerous other article in the "See also" section).

 * Listing an article as an Article for Deletion does not mean that it will necessarily be deleted. All it means is that the matter is up for discussion.  An admin will review the article's entry and act according to the general consensus of Wikipedia editors who participate.

 * Again, welcome to Wikipedia. We all start out as newbies, but I'm sure you'll catch on in no time! --Icarus 08:56, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I've read many other pages, not sure what's the benchmark for Neutrality is. For each topic has its believers and doubters, with both sides being equally passionate. In my humble opinion, most importantly is to ensure page creators don't set out to disparage or demean any individuals or their belief systems, but treat all with respect. --WikiSoul
 * Right now it's actually more about a lack of citing sources for the medical, so I went ahead and removed the NPOV tag. The part I thought was the most iffy is gone now anyway. --Icarus 09:35, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Tomboy
I remember seeing it on a documentary a while back. PMA 16:25, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Do you remember the name of the documentary? --Icarus 18:16, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Gender thing on Four Corners IIRC - i'll find an episode guide. PMA 18:28, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Your opinion
I created for all the commonwealth realms articles on the monarch of. See e.g. Monarch of Belize. I did this because every country has a Politics of series. In this series allways a head of state article is included. It helps to find your way quickly. It would be nice if these Monarchs of XX could be enlarged, but at the moment this is what I can offer. Now it is proposed to delete these articles at Articles for deletion/Monarch of Jamaica. Because of the consistency of the Politics of series, I oppose the deletion of these articles. Could you reconsider your opinion? Electionworld = Wilfried (talk 09:43, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

power walking
I've added a link to a typical web site and removed the 'unsourced' tag. Please reinstate tag and/or find more references if still unhappy. Bob aka Linuxlad 10:01, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Ashley Furniture
Just curious when 11,000 employees and 2 billion in sales is not notable? What the hell? WP:CORP isn't even policy yet, so no need to quote it. If you really doubt that it's notable, please say something in the talk page... for now I'm removing under the assumption that you made a mistake. ---J.Smith 16:19, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm always suspicious of new business articles (and bio articles), as they're very often vanity. I wasn't sure in this case, which is why I added then notability template instead of a nomination for deletion.  Upon looking over the article again, I think you're right.  The article is short and has only one external link besides the official site, which are sometimes red flags, but in this case it's because the article is a new stub and not because the subject matter is non-notable.  The way I see it, adding the notability template is like asking a question, and you've answered that question, so thanks! --Icarus 19:36, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the response. Sorry for my tone... :( ---J.Smith 19:42, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Asian American
Hey, just wanted to thank you for re-redirecting Southeast Asian American and East Asian American to Asian American. I wasn't sure whether they should've been directed to the group of people or their origins. Admittedly, a big reason I redirected them to their places or origin was because User:Dark Tichondrias seemed less likely to begin an edit war that way (he's been heavily pushing pro-Asian, pro-racial categorization POVs lately). —  Indi  [ talk ] 12:33, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Google rule
This article has now been listed at WP:AFD, please come and participate in the discussion, whatever your opinion. --Hetar 05:33, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Paramita
Your tag's discussion wikilinke lead to nowhere. You might want to set the discussion up in Paramita talk page, explaining why you think the article should be deleted and content transfered to the main article. Vapour
 * Thanks for the heads-up! When I suggested the merge, The Ten Perfections was a brand new and very short article.  Someone else changed it to a redirect to Paramita after that, which I agree is a better way to handle it.  I'd have done so myself, instead of suggesting a merge, if I'd known that there was such an article to redirect to.  I've removed the merge tag on the main Buddhism article now.  Sorry for any confusion this may have caused! --Icarus 05:37, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

FASD
Hi Icarus, thanks for trying to clean up Trisma's edits to FASD. I take the view that it's best to revert material like that, because it's potentially harmful, so I've done that. I'll look to see if I can find the name of the Surgeon General in 1981, but I wonder whether it matters because it was a warning issued by the office, not by the man personally. SlimVirgin (talk) 02:54, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Minor edits
You know, you could always use the edit summary if you don't want to lok at the diff for every edit on your watchlist, the only things minor edits do in practice is weeding out non-vandalism for RC patrollers (vandals usually never mark their edits as minor) and determine the main contributors of an article if anyone wants to cite us.

Oh, and that's a help page, not a policy :) - O bli (Talk) ? 11:19, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Take a look at the userbox
Check it out - I got your userbox lined up with the previous one using a table. I'm proud of myself for that lol. Good idea making that userbox. J. Finkelstein 17:43, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for giving me my first Barnstar. Believe it or not, I did actually follow the link to Bridesmill to see what else we were instigated to delete. --Lambiam Talk 20:38, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

AfD and qif
Hi. Saw your question on my talk regarding AfD template. The problem is, the AfD template is subst'ed into articles. On older version of the AfD template had a call to qif in it. qif is now replaced by the built-in #if:. These are programming like constructs that emit one of two texts depending on a condition (see also ParserFunctions). This doesn't make that much sense when a template is substed as in the AfD template case. The problem is, substed templates make troubles for template mechanics like me, as we have to visit every page where a template has been substed if changes are needed.

has no effect, as both the then and the else text is empty, so it can be safely removed. qif is deprecated and may be even deleted (there is a delete discussion going on, see talk on qif).

Maybe it should be rethought if substing the Afd template is such a good idea. OTOH, with the new #if: it is a bit less painfully, and maybe the substing of templates will be improved in the future (currently the #if: constructs are just copied unoptimized (not evaluated) into the articles, which is indeed not optimal, because the conditional expressions are constant at substing time and could be evaluated at substing time.

Bah. I hope I didn't increase your confusion with all this :-). Just ask more if needed. Cheers! --Ligulem 08:53, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Acne
You added a warning re Benzoyl peroxide causing bleaching - which is true enough. I wondered though if this info should not be transferred to be under Benzoyl peroxide article itself, (rather than Acne). Whilst it is an issue for BP use, it is not a factor that generally affects whether or not it is appropriate for a given severity of acne, or in a patient deciding on choosing between treatment options. Similarly the antibiotic section does not mention for the tetracycline antibiotics that they may cause sun photo-sensitive rashes (yet the specific article on the drug group does). I thought I'd ask you directly rather than seeming to just blank your edit and transfer it elsewhere :-) David Ruben Talk 00:26, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for comments. I would point out that wikipedia should not be giving out medical advice, so no one should "only check the main article on acne before going out and buying over-the-counter products". You also mentioned that a doctor would discuss side-effects on prescription drugs, which lead me to wonder (seriously for a moment) - are there not patient information sheets provided inside each pack of benzoyl peroxide that gives out appropriate warnings - its a legal requirement in the UK/Europe ? Of course people often don't read instructions, but similarly wikipedia does not give precise warnings over use of chain-saws, but would be very stupid not to read the copious warnings that come with there instructions.

Now for my most important (not) concern for your comments: re your bedsheets being stained - I rather thought that BP was quite useful at keeping white sheets free from any stains, saving on any additional Vanish (or equivalent) stain-removers and the amount of washing powder needed to achieve that crisp clean look :-) Of course that assumes one starts with having white sheets in the first place, but otherwise I'm sure you are by now the proud possessor of hospital-white sheets at no additional expense :-) Ok, I giggled too much over this and so surrender - I'll leave your added comment in Acne for now :-) Yours David Ruben Talk 10:18, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

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red hair
Red_hair The avatars are a social function of Red_haired_people, and the "See also" correctly is about the hair. (you call it "stretching it"). However it really suits the article about the people, and it is a public service, you/anyone can have a redhead avatar today, and owe nothing for it (it is not a commerical advert).

I do not know if it makes sense to remove my links, but it is worth trying (as i make mistakes of course). It is not an article i created myself, and i do not like it the way it is. Probably you can help out re-write it? Akidd dublin•tl•ctr-l 14:12, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

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by the way i subscribed to the suggest bot i found on your talk, hope you do not take it personal (as it is not good style to browse people's business by random) Akidd dublin•tl•ctr-l 14:13, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Revert by automated bot
Your recent edit to Seth Bohstedt was reverted by an automated bot that attempts to recognize and repair vandalism to Wikipedia articles. If the bot reverted a legitimate edit, please accept our apologies – if you bring it to the attention of the bot's owner, we may be able to improve its behavior. Click here for frequently asked questions about the bot and this warning. // Tawkerbot2 19:06, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * This revertion was in error, and I have notified the bot's owner. I can understand where the mistake came from, however, as the article in question was nothing more than the article name repeated over and over and over again.  When I added the speedy deletion tag, I also removed all but a dozen or so lines of this.  The bot mistook this for blanking.  It's totally understandable, so I just re-did my edit and no harm done. --Icarus 19:20, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you Icarus
Thank you for that tip of advice, but please anything that was derived from the "defiinitions" was entirely for the purpose of clarification because It does not seem logical to have something like "corporeal" as exclusive to one article, but a general link

It's a reflex
Well I'd be damned, the things I'd learnd if I bothered to read things like those carefully :). I must unfortunately report that my minor-marking is still reflexive and rampant, but I'll try to keep it out of the way when dealing with prods and afds. (This message was marked as minor) - O bli (Talk) ? 06:35, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Image:Childwithdimples.jpg
Image:Childwithdimples.jpg: what's wrong with this image? I made it myself...why can't I put it up there? (Oahc)
 * If you really are the person who took this photo, then there's no problem. However, we need some kind of evidence to show this.  You were notified about this on your talk page back in February, but did not respond either on your talk page or on the talk page of the person who notified you.  If you can provide such evidence now, the image will be removed from the list of possibly unfree images and will not be deleted.  If you cannot prove that you are authorized to grant GFDL permission for this image, then it will be deleted to protect its copyright. --Icarus 21:08, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

 * How do I provide the evidence? (Oahc)
 * The image appears to be taken from www.jerilyndufresne.com. Do you have an e-mail address from this website (one that end in "@jerilyndufresne.com")?  If so, I can tell you how to use it to prove that you're really from that site. --Icarus 21:39, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't see the image anywhere on the site. (Oahc)

okay...maybe i did saw it. and how did you find the site anyway? You don't see the image up there anyway....only the same girl...but different photos.(Oahc)

 * this photo at jerilyndufresne.com is identical to your photo. ---J.S (t|c) 22:18, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, just do a search on Google images for "dimples." Did you know knowingly violating copyrights is against the law? ---J.S (t|c) 22:19, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Just me butting in where I don't belong. Don't mind me, I'll go away shortly. :) ---J.S (t|c) 05:58, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Madhav Nori
I have removed the prod tag from Madhav Nori, which you proposed for deletion, because I feel that the deletion of this article may be controversial. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still feel the article should be deleted, please don't add the prod template back to the article. Instead, feel free to list it at Articles for deletion. Thanks! Mango juice talk 02:40, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Boxipuss
The deletion of the Boxipuss was a mistake as there was a misunderstanding between user: Porge. - —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr. AlanSieve (talk • contribs)
 * This article has been repeatedly deleted for being nonsense without accurate sources. Please check the deletion log and ignore Alan's note. - Mgm|(talk) 10:28, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the information, but don't worry; I already know. Either this article should be protected against re-creation, or the good "Doctor" should be blocked for repeated re-creations, or both. --Icarus 17:35, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Cephalosporin template
Hi Icarus, the grouping of cephems (including cephalosporins) can be a bit of a mess – I've been trying to sort it out a bit on the cephalosporin page but haven't quite finished, unfortunately. Loracarbef is a carbacephem (carbacephems have a subtle modification to the cephalosporin nucleus), but for all intents and purposes is very similar to the second-generation cephalosporins such as cefaclor. It's similar enough that cross-reactivity occurs, but not technically a cephalosporin. Hope that helps and thanks for your work on the template. -Techelf 00:08, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Emancipation
The block of text you added looks like a contribution from User:FredrickS, relating to his idiosyncratic insistence on a link to proportional representation on the Emancipation disambiguation page. I assume he has been wandering various associated articles looking for support. BTW, would it be appropriate to delete the empty "Political" section on Emancipation of minors article, since the political emancipation article would not have anything specific to minors? - David Oberst 23:28, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks for the info. I really just scanned the block of text, and aside from seeing that it was in the wrong place, the content didn't really register in my mind.  That's why I just moved it to the seemingly appropriate talk page instead of moving it and commenting on it, or just deleting it for being in the wrong place.  I think you're right about removing that section from the Emacipation of minors article, though, as it's empty, so I'll go ahead and do that. --Icarus 23:33, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Spermatozoon waaah waah
Oh grow up, my silly addition was added specifically hidden as a comment. It's not "vandalism" in any sane definition of the word, as only someone editing the article can see it. --Kaz 18:46, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
 * You add unencyclopedic nonsense to an article (not blatantly or apparently maliciously, granted) and then remove the warning left on your talk page (which is itself generally considered vandalism) and I'm the one who needs to grow up? Interesting logic. --Icarus 04:22, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Are these bounties yours?
Mind giving me an example of where this user has added these templates? —   17:13, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, they're fine. —   19:22, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Mine is fine as well. I've offered a bounty for articles on rapid transit systems, which includes the Cairo Metro. It wasn't me who put the template on that article, but I'm happy for it to be there. Thanks for the heads-up, though. --OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 08:43, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Template
Here's the template name you requested:

It is pretty cool.=)

Srose talk  20:46, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Peeps links
Thanks for pruning the external links. The trimmed links keep growing back. Joyous! | Talk 04:26, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

commons:Image talk:Casale Bikini.jpg
That's really awesome, thanks for letting us know! pfctdayelise (translate?) 16:10, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Image:Dramatica what.jpg
I reduced it to semiprotection so registered users can edit the page now. Hopefully the trolling is done. NoSeptember 18:38, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Varsital Cop's Images
RE: the images on the Night Porter page - those are captured images I scanned personally -VARSITAL COP
 * You can post any information you have here by finding the entry about your images and posting a comment after it. --Icarus (Hi!) 20:13, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Split Mind
Hello. I saw that you "seconded" my prod on this. I just wanted you to know that it was deprodded, so I have moved it to AfD. --Brian G 17:41, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Regarding your comment at Articles for deletion/Throat Gaggers
Please try to keep the personal feelings out of things at AfD, especially when they go against policy, such as WP:NOT censored. It's not that I don't want you to have opinions, but there are editors involved who may be further agitated after a spirited AfD by comments like this. Because it looks like the article will be deleted, they may view your comments as salting their wounds; I know you didn't mean it that way but people get upset like that when they feel an article is theirs. Anyways, just something to think about, I'm not asking you to revert your comment or anything.  Big Nate 37 (T) 03:45, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Yeah, I knew that I wasn't exactly being nice with my "then clean Wikipedia with bleach" comment. If the creator of the article in question wasn't acting so unbelievably superior (nominating it to be a featured article, even!) I would have restrained myself. But you're right, I should still take the high ground. I'm going to remove the unnecessary snarkiness from my comment. --Icarus (Hi!) 03:49, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Ah yes, I forgot about that FA nom. Say, I noticed you're into New Page patrol as well, and your comments lead me to believe you sometimes get mistaken for being deletionist when you're not an admin. To blow my own horn for a second, I wrote an essay (User:BigNate37/I am not an administrator) to this effect and if it is at all helpful to you I'd be happy to have you use it by link or transclusion, and you're more than welcome to edit it to seem less first-person. I'm using it on my userpage if you're interested to see how it transcludes.  Big Nate 37 (T) 04:01, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/10th Kingdom character articles
Both Vary and I seem to think that if the articles are radically shortened and put in a list of 10th Kingdom characters (per WP:FICT for lesser important characters), there'd be no need for deletion (or the keeping of unencyclopedically toned articles). I'd even be willing to do the grunt work. Would you please return to the deletion debate and consider changing your vote to a shorten, merge and redirect? - Mgm|(talk) 09:28, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

External Link
Dear Icarus3, Please stop removing Technostorks from the External Links section of the article on IVF. Technostorks is a unique resource. It offers unbiased educational coverage on issues of infertility anf IVF. There is no other documentary that deals in depth with these issues out there. Thank you. technostorks 01:42, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Repeatedly adding a link to multiple articles goes against the Wikipedia guidelines for external links and spamming. You have been notified about this in the past, though I'm going to assume that you never received that notice because it was left for one of the anonymous IP addresses you were using at the time. Please familiarize yourself with these guidelines before adding your link again. If you still believe that your link should be included, you may present your case on the article's talk page so other Wikipedia editors can weigh in. --Icarus (Hi!) 21:45, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Mary Free Bed Page
I’m very new to editing pages on this site. I see you have edited my page, are you an administrator? There is a tag on the page that I made, and I’m not sure what needs to be changed...can you help me?

Speedy deletion criterion - repost
Icarus3, Your vandal fighting efforts are much appreciated. I noticed that in one of your speedy tags, you nominated an article on the basis of repost of an already speedied article. I want to call to your attention that the criterion is meant to apply to articles deleted as a result of AFD. The criterion (G4) specifically states: "This clause does not apply if the only prior deletions were speedy or proposed deletions. However, it is often the case with a recreated article that thes same speedy criteria hold.  — ERcheck (talk) 04:12, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info! I guess that sometimes I don't read things as clearly as I should, and this was one of those cases. I'll be more careful in the future! --Icarus (Hi!) 04:15, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Not a problem. I do want to be sure that you know that your efforts are much appreciated.  — ERcheck (talk) 04:18, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Icarus, bad edit
If you do not know about a subject, please don't change it. The jersey shore stretches from jersey city to Cape May, and is not an administrative region. The Shore region is Monmouth and Ocean counties. I would like to talk you about this more, as this was an uncalled-for edit from the unintelligible. -Evan 11:00, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Suggesting a merge is just that, a suggestion. I didn't change a single word of what was there, or even change it to a redirect (which still would have been no big deal, as it could have been easily reverted). If there's a clear reason why the merge would be a bad idea, then it won't be done and that will be that. There's no harm in simply inviting discussion!

 * As it was (and still is), the article does not have enough context to explain if the word "region" is being used in an administrative sense or in a colloquial sense. If it is the former as I believe you are saying here, then the article needs to explain that. Otherwise, people will continue to wonder why that particular section of the Jersey shore area is distinct from the rest of it. --Icarus (Hi!) 22:47, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

 * The article will now state the difference between the two. Thanks for the tip and I am sory for any misunderstandings we may have had. --Evan 12:40, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

More on External Link
As you suggested, the following note was posted on the discussion page for the article on IVF: Editors, please resolve an issue I have with Icarus3 who keeps removing Technostorks from the External Links section of the article on IVF (it was also removed form articles on Infertility and Fertility. Technostorks is a unique documentary. It offers unbiased educational coverage on issues of infertility anf IVF. I received many comments from the infertility community that they need to be aware of this resource. It is not spam as Icarus3 keeps assuming. Perhaps I should write a separate article on it and include it in the See Also. I would really appreciate your comments. Thank you very much in advance. -Technostorks 11:07, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Discussion continued here. Short version: This spammer posted the same link to at least 42 articles, up to 5 times each. --Icarus (Hi!) 09:27, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

DC and disambig
Hi there:

I noticed that you removed the from DC. I am in a rather annoying position. Neelix removed the first. My response to this was to update so that it identified itself as a disambiguation template. I then had William Allen Simpson revert my change to, claiming that  is not a dab template. At this point, I protested on Template talk:2CC but restored the until I could get a resolution. Then, older ≠ wiser made a similar change to, identifying it as a dab template. And then you removed from DC.

I'm getting whiplash, people. Make up your dern minds!

Sorry. I just want you to be aware of the wider context, and to aware that this is part of a larger battle that still has not been resolved.

— DLJessup (talk) 13:24, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Discussion continued at Template talk:2CC. --Icarus (Hi!) 03:40, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Assisted Reproductive Technologies
Hello, just wondering why you removed the list of ART procedures I added to the Assisted Reproductive Technologies page? If you're wondering about copyright issues, I do have permission from the site I referenced to publish that material in the Wikipedia.

Before removing anything else I add, I'd appreciate if you would talk to me about it first.

Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jen1026 (talk • contribs) 12:05, 28 August 2006.

Multiple Births - Miracle at Morgan's Creek
Hi, I think you may have deleted a chunk of text from the description i wrote for Miracle at Morgan's Creek in the Multiple Births entry under Fictional Multiple Births, and you mentioned that the movie details were incorrect. Could you be more specific please? I had just finished watching that movie an hour before so i'm pretty sure that my brief description was accurate. In fact, knowledge of the real-life Canadian quintuplets when the movie was made allows for one of the movie's more timely punchlines, since the movie was a fictional account of American sextuplets.

Thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dextersinister (talk • contribs) 16:34, 28 August 2006.
 * I found the edit you're refering too, and I'm not the one who did it. This edit is the one that removed some of the info you added, and it was done by the anonymous user with the IP address of 68.103.12.88. My username is there because I'm the one who did the previous edit, not because I was involved in this particular edit. Anonymous editors can be hard to contact, but if you're sure that your info is correct (and believe that it adds to the article) you can always re-add it. I'm not familiar with the movie, so I can't really help you there. --Icarus (Hi!) 03:37, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Jersey Shore - Shore Region Articles
Regarding your merge suggestion, I added language that should satisfy removal of the tag. Checking back now, I see it has not been removed. I have always felt that this should be left to the person that added it...would you please do so, or if there is some objection please let me know. Thanks.Rblaster 14:48, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Genital warts
You wrote on my talk page about no commercial external links when in fact there ARE commercial external links on that page - this is silly and hypocritical, especially when the page I linked to offers real information and actually helps people, unlike most of the sites out there that offer no real hope for people with this problem. Grinc 06:12, 9 September 2006 (CST)
 * Your link does not meet the consensus-driven guidelines at External links. If there are other links that do not appear to meet these guidelines, then they should also be evaluated and removed if necessary. I'll do that if I get the chance (though I have quite a few real-world obligations right now), or another editor might get to it before I do. If you think that certain other links should be removed, I suggest you mention which ones and why on the talk page of the relevant article. If another editor agrees, they can then remove it. If they disagree, they can explain why. --Icarus (Hi!) 15:59, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, I understand what you mean about all of that. Fine; it makes perfect sense. But if that's the case, then that naturallyguaranteed.com site needs to come off the external links too. Its nothing more than an affiliate site for "healing oils"...take a look and see for yourself. That site is the reason why I thought it was all right.

Grinc 14:51, 9 September 2006 (CST)

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page, such as the current discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Zhou Guoping

Zhou Guoping (born July 25, 1945), is a modern Chinese author, poet, scholar, translator, philosopher, and research fellow at the Institute of Philosophy of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences.

As of 2017, Zhou has published more than 20 books, some being issued in Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Korea. Most of his works are among the best sellers of their own genre.

Biography
Zhou was born in Shanghai, where he grew up and attended Shanghai High School. After he graduated from Peking University in 1967, Zhou worked on a Hunan farm for one and a half years. He was later relocated to work in the Tzeyuan town in Guangxi, where he married his first wife, Minzi (Chinese: 敏子).

Zhou was motivated by the resumption of Gaokao, the Chinese college-entrance exam, and started to pursue higher education. In 1978, he left Guangxi and attended the Institute of Philosophy of Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, where he received a masters and a PhD degree.

In the spring of 1980, Zhou’s first marriage ended. He then married Xiang Lingyu (Chinese: 项灵羽). When Zhou was 43, he had his first daughter Niuniu (Chinese: 妞妞), who was diagnosed with and died from a rare cancer, Retinoblastoma. His second marriage ended soon after Niuniu’s death.

In September 1997, Zhou started his third marriage with Guo Hong (Chinese: 郭红), who was twenty years younger than him. Together they had his second daughter Jiujiu (Chinese: 啾啾).

Zhou caused controversy in 2015 by a Weibo post which said that women were beautiful when cleaning the house or feeding babies, which led to him being accused of having straight man cancer.

Positions
1988 Assistant researcher in the Institute of Philosophy of Chinese Academy of Social Sciences

1994 Researcher in the Institute of Philosophy of Chinese Academy of Social Sciences

2009 Professor of Southwest University of Political Science & Law

2007 Advisor of National Central Library

2013 Honorary Director of Hubei Provincial Library

Work
Zhou was among the first group of scholars who began to study Friedrich Nietzsche after Chinese economic reform. He was first known for his dissertation Nietzsche: on the Turning Point of the Century and his translated work of Nietzsche’s the Birth of Tragedy.

He was further perceived by the public due to the popularity of his essay, some of which were selected in Chinese and Singapore textbooks because of their philosophical depth and precise use of language.

Niuniu: the Reading Notes of a Father
Niuniu: the Reading Notes of a Father (Shanghai People's Publishing House, 2006) was written after the death of Niuniu (Zhou's first daughter) from Retinoblastoma, which was claimed as a result of her doctor’s irresponsible conducts. The book generally describes Zhou’s family life with Yuer and Niuniu and his experience as a father. His detachment from the reality in the book was, according to himself, a tool to relieve the pain.

Men and Eternity
Men and Eternity (Shanghai People's Publishing House, 1987) was one of the most well-known work of Zhou and was re-published multiple times after its first publication in 1987. The book’s success in the market was attributed to Zhou’s genuine attitude regarding sharing his thoughts as well as the language precision in summarizing his philosophical viewpoints. In the form of short essays, Zhou expresses his thoughts on 26 broad topics, including life, nature, love, beauty and death. In Men and Eternity, Zhou generally expresses the idea of contradiction by nature of these topics and the impossibility of their reconciliation. He points out the contradictions between mankind’s greatness as the only species possesses the ability to pursue the meaning of life and how the process itself degrades the meaning they are pursued, which leads to a nihilistic belief that the human race is a meaningless product of the meaning less universe, making meaningless effort to pursue meanings in its meaningless creator.

The Starry Sky of Thoughts
The Starry Sky of thoughts (People's Literature Publishing House, 2009) was a selection of Zhou’s essays, covering topics from reflection of his life to philosophical discussions and comments on social phenomena. The Starry Sky of thoughts includes a great number of articles discussing his viewpoints on arts, including basic standards for arts and his definition of beauty. He states that the absence of audience was a necessary condition for the best and most genuine artwork as they are not affected by any external factors. Zhou also believes that no artworks presents a withering sense of beauty, as beauty is always healthy from artists’ perspectives. In the last few selected articles of the book, Zhou expresses his fear regarding the dominant role technologies play in the modern society. Zhou’s worry about the possibility that mankind was incapable of handling the technologies they invented was thought to embody his objection to utilitarianism and his pursuit of a simple and natural lifestyle.

Souls Only Walk Alone
Souls Only Walk Alone (People's Literature Publishing House, 2009) is divided into 11 chapters. Covering topics from critiques of social phenomena to reading notes of the Bible, the book is centered around the philosophical discussion of love, souls and life. In Souls Only Walk Alone, Zhou discussed his definition of a noble soul and its indispensability in a proper way of living. He states that for souls to function properly, people need to leave a space for souls alone and that the space should not and could not be shared with anyone else, including families and lovers. He also states that being alone is an inevitable yet beneficial state of souls. Zhou's definition of love as an interaction between two lonely souls instead of an emotional bond which removes the loneliness is thought to embody his pessimistic belief.

Freestyle
Freestyle (People's Literature Publishing House, 2001) is coauthored by Zhou and the most renowned Chinese Rock musician, Cui Jian (Chinese: 崔健). The book records dialogues between Zhou and Cui across more than ten years. In the preface, Zhou states that his appreciation of Cui might come from their shared viewpoints on arts. Discussing the role of art in the society, they both agree on the importance of art as the ultimate and strongest factor behind politics and culture. They also share the belief that real art is always for the entire human race instead of various cultural groups. The book is viewed as an example of Zhou’s interdisciplinary interest.

Reception
Niuniu: the Reading Notes of a Father mentioned that Niuniu's cancer was technically curable with a surgery. It was shown that Zhou and Xiang refused to sign the informed consent after knowing the probable consequences of blindness and reoccurrence in Niuniu's twenties. After its publication, the book has fostered numerous debates in medical ethics. Some readers held the belief that Zhou's decision ultimately killed his daughter and that the book was merely driven by hypocrisy.

In one article of the Starry Sky of thoughts, Zhou states that from his viewpoint, the beauty of a woman will inevitably be compromised if she fails to become a good lover, wife, and mother. His words lead to criticisms from numerous feminists. Lu Ping (Chinese: 吕频), a feminist activist, argued that Zhou’s words “was not only ignorant about women, but also contained an arrogant attitude from his ivory tower.”

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Jody Azzouni

Jody Azzouni (born Jawad Azzouni, 1954) is an American philosopher, poet, and writer. He currently is Professor of Philosophy at Tufts University.

Education
He received his bachelor's degree and master's degree from New York University and his PhD from the City University of New York.

Philosophical work
Azzouni is currently working on the philosophy of mathematics (he holds a degree in mathematics), science, logic, language and in areas of metaphysics, epistemology, and aesthetics. He acknowledges a debt to Willard Van Orman Quine. Azzouni is of the nominalist school of thought and has centered much of his philosophical efforts around defending nominalism.

Books

 * Metaphysical Myths, Mathematical Practice: The Ontology and Epistemology of the Exact Sciences Cambridge University Press, 1994.
 * Knowledge and Reference in Empirical Science Routledge, 2000.
 * Deflating Existential Consequence: A Case for Nominalism Oxford University Press 2004
 * Reviews, Bulletin of Symbolic Logic, 10:4, Dec. 2004, p. 573-577; Philosophia Mathematica, 2009.
 * Tracking Reason: Proof, Consequence and Truth. Oxford University Press, 2005.
 * Talking About Nothing: Numbers, Hallucinations and Fictions. Oxford University Press, 2010.
 * Semantic perception : how the illusion of a common language arises and persists. Oxford University Press, 2013.
 * Review, Mind, 2016 link
 * Ontology without Borders. Oxford University Press, 2017.
 * Review, Notre Dame Philosophical Reviews ejournal link
 * The Rule-Following Paradox and its Implications for Metaphysics. Synthese Library Book. 2017
 * Attributing Knowledge: What It Means to Know Something. Oxford University Press, 2020.

Poetry collections
Azzouni has published two collections of poetry with The Poets Press.

 * The Lust for Blueprints, 1999 (rev. 2001)
 * Hereafter Landscapes, 2010 (rev. 2019)

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Kevin Zeese

Kevin Bruce Zeese (October 28, 1955 – September 6, 2020) was an American lawyer, U.S. Senate candidate and political activist. He worked to end the war on drugs and mass incarceration, and was instrumental in organizing the 2011 Occupy encampment in Washington, D.C. at Freedom Plaza and occupying the Venezuelan Embassy in the District of Columbia. Zeese co-founded the news site PopularResistance.org in 2011 with his partner, Margeret Flowers. Zeese died of a heart attack on September 6, 2020.

Early life
Zeese was born in New York City in 1955. He grew up in Queens, New York, where he attended public schools. He received a bachelor's degree from the State University of New York at Buffalo. He graduated from the George Washington University Law School in 1980.

Advocacy for the end of the War on Drugs
Zeese began his career as an advocate working as chief counsel for National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML) in 1980 and served as NORML's Executive Director from 1983 to 1986. During his time at NORML he helped stop the spraying of herbicides on marijuana in Mexico and the United States, and he became a leading advocate of the medical use of marijuana.

Zeese co-founded the Drug Policy Foundation (DPF) with Professor Arnold S. Trebach in 1987 which merged with the Lindesmith Center in 2000 and is now the Drug Policy Alliance. Zeese served as Vice President and Counsel to DPF from 1986 to 1994. Drug Policy Foundation was the largest drug policy reform advocacy group until it merged with Drug Policy Alliance, now the largest reform group in U.S. history.

Zeese was a founder in 1993 of Harm Reduction Coalition, which advocates for a public health approach to drug policy that reduces the harms from drug use and abuse. Harm Reduction Coalition is "driven by a commitment to drug user rights and social inclusion of marginalized communities" and has advocated for and helped put in place policies like needle exchange programs, treatment on request, overdose prevention strategies and low threshold access to methadone treatment among other issues.

In 1994 he co-founded the Common Sense for Drug Policy along with businessman and philanthropist Robert E. Field and attorney Melvin R. Allen. Zeese continued to serve as president of Common Sense. The organization ran 152 public service advertisements in Reason, The American Prospect, The National Review, The Nation, The New Republic, and The Progressive from 1999 to 2007. Common Sense has published Drug War Facts since 1998, providing facts and citations covering 47 issue-areas related to drug policy.

Activism
In 2002, he worked with Washington, D.C. area peace groups in opposing the war in Iraq including the Montgomery County Coalition Against War. In 2004 he joined with Ralph Nader's Democracy Rising to make opposition to war a focus of the organization. In 2006, Zeese founded a national antiwar group, Voters for Peace and served as its director until 2011.

In October 2011, he was one of the co-founders of Occupy DC, which later merged into Popular Resistance. On January 29, 2021, another of the co-founders of Occupy DC died, Reverend Bruce Wright of the Poor Peoples Army.

In January 2018, Zeese outlined his anti-interventionist position in a column, stating: "The United States cannot be a moral or ethical country until it faces up to the realities of U.S. empire and the destruction it causes around the world. The U.S. undermines governments (including democracies), kills millions of people, causes mass migrations of people fleeing their homes, communities and countries and produces vast environmental damage." He also criticized humanitarian intervention saying that it is "based on the dubious claim that the U.S. has a 'responsibility to protect.'"

Zeese is listed in the U.S. Peace Registry which also provides a summary of his work.

Political activity
Zeese had his first official campaign involvement serving as an advisor to Linda Schade, who was running for the Maryland House of Delegates in 2002.

From 2003 onward, Zeese worked on a broad range of progressive issues and third-party and independent electoral campaigns. He was primarily active with the Green Party and even ran for office himself.

In 2003, Zeese went to California to work on the gubernatorial campaign of Peter Camejo in the election that followed the recall of Governor Gray Davis. Zeese was involved in writing position papers and organizing grassroots support for Camejo.

2004 Nader campaign
In 2004, Zeese joined the presidential campaign of Ralph Nader. His initial responsibility was developing a strategy for ballot access. He went on to become press secretary and spokesperson for Nader, and also worked with Nader in drafting position statements.

2006 U.S. Senate candidacy
Zeese ran for the U.S. Senate for Maryland in 2006 against Democrat Ben Cardin and Republican Michael Steele. After months of campaigning, Zeese received the Maryland Green Party's nomination for the U.S. Senate, and was also nominated by the Libertarian Party of Maryland in April 2006 and the Populist Party of Maryland in June. This is the only time the Greens and Libertarians nominated the same person for a statewide office. It is also the only time all three parties had nominated the same candidate. However, in early April 2006, the Maryland legislature passed SB 129, which held a candidate can be nominated by only a party with which he is registered. Therefore, Zeese ran on the Maryland Green Party ticket, with the Libertarians and Populists endorsing the nomination.

Zeese called his campaign the "Unity Campaign" and ran on a reform platform that advocated the withdrawal of U.S. troops and corporate interests from Iraq, economic justice, an end to corporate welfare (which he termed "big business socialism"), and electronic voting reform. He also was a vocal critic of the "hawkish" Israel lobby in the United States and Israel's 2006 bombing campaign against Lebanon. He challenged incumbent U.S. congressman Ben Cardin, who has close ties to the lobby, to break his silence on alleged Israeli wrongdoing.

Zeese was the first third-party candidate included in three-way debate; only one debate was publicly televised, the final Senatorial debate on Friday, November 3, 2006. In it he urged the audience to reject the major parties, saying: "Change has not come from status quo parties, it's come from the outside." Zeese finished third in the voting, receiving 27,564 votes for 1.5% of the total vote.

2016 Flowers campaign
In 2016, Zeese served as an advisor to the U.S. Senate Campaign of Margaret Flowers, his partner and a pediatrician.

2020 Hawkins campaign
In 2020, Zeese served as press secretary to the Presidential Campaign of Howie Hawkins until his death.

2020 Venezuelan embassy protection
Zeese's was an outspoken supporter of the Bolivarian Revolution and the United Socialist Party of Venezuela's policies. Zeese was also an ardent supporter of Nicolás Maduro, and argued during the Venezuelan presidential crisis that Maduro was the legitimate President of Venezuela, while stating that Juan Guaidó's appointment as Interim President by the National Assembly was a coup by the U.S. government. Zeese and former Senate candidate Margaret Flowers joined two other Green Party members participating in a delegation which traveled to Venezuela to meet with officials from the Maduro government, including Foreign Minister Jorge Arreaza. On March 15, Maduro met with the American delegation in Caracas for an hour and a half.

On April 10, 2019, the group Code Pink began occupying the embassy of Venezuela, Washington, D.C. by invitation from the Maduro government, after the withdrawal of its diplomats. The group was officially led by Code Pink founder Medea Benjamin, but Zeese was prominently visible as a spokesman for the group and for the policies and interests of the Maduro government. On May 16, DC Metropolitan Police, Department of State Diplomatic Security Service, and the Secret Service entered the embassy and arrested Zeese, along with the other three remaining members of the group. The members were charged in a federal court with a Class A misdemeanor; "interfering with a federal law enforcement agent engaged in protective functions."

Death
On September 6, 2020, Zeese died suddenly from a heart attack.

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Talk:WCBS-FM

On Friday, June 3, 2005 at 5 pm is the day the music died at WCBS FM.

Infinity Radio has decided to play a broader mix of current music while dropping all oldies, DJs and newscasters.

CBS-FM Logos
I think it was wrong for Hammersoft to take down the CBS FM logo history without discussion or Conscientiousness. They are deleted now. I kind of understand his or her reasoning. Still i would have liked to have an opportunity  to try to email the station to see if it was possible to get some kind of official approval to use them before they were taken down. DLA75 (talk) 06:49, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Surveys
Regarding the annual survey: Dom (see History) insists that "Earth Angel" was number one one year early on, but cites no source. I've left it as is, but I'd appreciate a citation one way or another beyond the one I've already provided saying "In The Still Of The Night" was number one every time. (Granted, that cite may not be definitive. I'm not saying I'm sure my cite is right, just that I'd like to have more info.)

I've clarified in the article that while "Hey Jude" was number one, that was NOT a listener-voted survey. To further confuse matters, "Hey Jude" WAS voted number one by listeners on a survey on the newly revived station.

As long as I'm posting, I'll say that I wouldn't mind seeing more detail about special programming and such from the heyday.

Brettalan 04:32, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Pull Yourselves Together!
This article needs intense cleanup and NPOVing. "All oldies" have not been dropped (Wings' Live and Let Die, John Lennon's Imagine, and The Beatles' Magical Mystery Tour have all been played within the past 18 hours). The DJ voice in between songs is not computer-generated (he sure sounds a lot like the guy who does Monk commercials for the USA Network). As much of a classic the old WCBS-FM was, and as much as I think Jack FM should have been a supplement station on another frequency instead of replacing the Oldies station, can we pull ourselves together and get this article into a more professional-looking format? GPHemsley→◊ 23:26, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree. The recent additions to the article are POV and speculative in nature. Maybe they should just be removed if they can't be rewritten. Rhobite 00:06, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

 * It seems the edit by User:63.13.249.88 is mostly to blame for the POV of this article. GPHemsley→◊ 03:20, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

I think that describing what happened in the way it was written was not a POV because this was a unique and significant event in the history of radio. When even the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame comments on it, it is not simply the sour grapes of some older fans mourning. Cousin Brucie, in an interview with the New York Daily News today, put it best, it was like "replacing Yankee Stadium with a fruit stand". Sure, the day may come to replace Yankee Stadium, but you do it with respect given the historical and cultural significance. This is likely the first time in radio that a station of historical significance had such a drastic change with no warning whatsoever; when WABC-AM went talk a couple of decades ago or even the end of WNEW-AM (or it's nationally-known progressive rock FM sister station) for that matter, it was known in the news for some time, which was the respect that WCBS-FM deserved.

In fact, the station was not planning to play the Beatles orignially, but has in that sense ceded to the protests of even those who were not fans of the station; I think the letter on the CBS-FM website on June 4 from the VP noting that many of CBS's "newer oldies" are the emphasis of the Jack station are proof of this and thus from a historical perspective of the situation this makes the copy noteworthy in this article.

And while this may be a POV thing to take out of the article (as I think someone did), Jack FM as part of this respect should not be making comments between songs like "CBS FM? Yeah, don't you wish, this is the new Jack FM", which has also generated controversy.

I am very against POV edits, but I feel in this case it is just historically describing the shock many felt and why and the reaction to it all.hairymon

Who is Jack?
I stated earlier that the pre-recorded voice sounds a lot like the guy who does the Monk commercials. The article was recently edited to say it was the same guy who does the GEICO commercials. Which is it? Is it both? Can we dig up other works that this guy did? How about his real name? GPHemsley→◊ 17:55, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

I think they are one and the same. Someone in a New York radio forum of some sort told me that it is the guy who does the GEICO commercials and listening to both I am almost certain he/she is right. Now that you mention it, the same goes for the Monk commercials.hairymon

Way to Much Jack
There is no reason why the less then one year of Jack should have a larger section then the 33 years of oldies. While this controversy has to be mentioned this is way to detailed. Mention what happened, the controversy it caused ,and why the controversy happened, the ratings drop, HD and possibly WABC’s introduction of a Saturday Night Oldies program then leave it be. 22:06, 14 March 2006 (Ed Kollin)

Here's my two cents. With CBS going around blowing up these heritage oldies stations that are practically institutions, I think of CBS as REALLY standing for Complete BullS**t. That's my thought of all the hiJACKings.

Unsourced assertion of explicative by Mayor Bloomberg
Where is the cite for the Bloomberg explicative? I'm tempted to remove it. Dogru144 03:22, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Toronto station as replacement for WCBS
The desperate /despondent can tune into 740 AM at night. This Toronto, Ontario, Canada station plays nice oldies, but sans the 70s, 80s rock 'n roll. Check it out. Dogru144 03:22, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

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We hate "jack" / On the welcome return to oldies
Good riddance, jack.

WCBS-FM in its oldies format was a favorite of everyone. It appealed to tastes of people young and old, black and white. We can't wait for the station's return to classic pop and real, human announcers, instead of "jack's" human-less automated format. Dogru144 13:52, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I know I know is is not 1:01 PM EST 7/12/07 yet but I just could no wait to un Jack this page. I got the NEW cbs fm logo from WCBS FM.com I had to clean out the pictures behind parts of the original image an create a new white backroud in photoshop useing the same shade as on WCBS FM.com The Jack logo i moved the the part of the page about jack. DLA75 19:05, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh my! What a mess!
This article is pretty long and sloppy. Of course, there will be a ton of activity here in the next few days or so since the station just changed its format. Not sure exactly what else can be added. If anything, perhaps the people who just have to add something to this article could help by doing a little cleanup, particularly toward the end (Jack, return to oldies, etc.). I cleaned up the lead paragraphs, since someone had put an advertising tag on it. I hope it meets with everyone's approval.--Fightingirish 19:30, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, I got bold and rewrote all the stuff prior to Jack (which I'll practically need a weed whacker for). I eliminated much of the repetitive and unnecessary stuff, paring it down considerably (I realize the length of this article was not sitting well with many people). Hopefully, this will cover everything relevant to the station and also be a better quality read. As for the Jack section, as I've been saying, this looks terrible. It does not need all of this 'information' (and much of it is POV with tons of weasel words and irrelevant information). I realize that with all of the changes CBS-FM's been through during the past two years, everybody feels they're justified in adding their own piles of crap to the article, but it does a major disservice to the article in general. This could all be said with much fewer words, and be much more effective.--Fightingirish 07:56, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Um, what spam?
The section on the change to Jack format alleges Wikipedia spam, but there are NO external links in that section at all. How did that happen? CarlFink 04:14, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * There's way too much irrelevant information that, for some reason, people see the need to clutter this article up with. I tried to clean it up, and got it down to what I thought was a straight-to-the-point approach. Unfortunately, people just added all the crap back in. This article in its current state absolutely sucks, and I think the appropriate punishment for all the people who have stuffed it with so much irrelevant garbage is to be forced to actually read this thing. --Fightingirish 05:58, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Let me please keep the on air line up even if you take down the rest of my changes can the jack aricle be edited and shortend so my stuff can stay. I took down the Jack rateings since Jack is gone DLA75 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The on-air lineup is directory-type stuff. However, it could be put in paragraph form. The on-air roster is unnecessary, since that type of stuff can easily be found on the station's website. Why repeat information, especially when it just leads to clutter on the article page?--Fightingirish 14:02, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

WCBS-FM-HD2
It is wrong to call New York's 101.1 WCBS-FM's HD2 "WCBS-HD2" Since WCBS is a AM station at at 880 and calling it WCBS-HD2 makes it sound like the HD2 belongs to WCBS 880 and not WCBS-FM 101.1. It I thik it should be called WCBS-FM-HD2 as Jack FM Identifies it’s self at the top of every hour. DLA75 (talk • contribs) 19:42, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

on air
I think in was good to have the times when the each DJ is on. WCBS FM has not posted them on their web site WCBSFM.com yet. I would recomed that you put the times back in. DLA75

Classic Hits?
I would not call CBS FM a true classic hits station it is more of a oldies/classic hits hybrid a true Classic hits station would sound more like Q104.3 without some of the harder cuts such as Black Sabbath and AC/DC with acts such Seals and Crofts,Jim Croce, America and the Hollies in their place. It would have little if any Motown,Soul and 60's and 70's pop and bubblegum rock hits. Though some songs the new CBS FM plays may songs that are best decribed as classic hits they still play many songs that are better describes as oldies then classic hits and clasic hits stations like Easten PA's 99.9 The Hawk would never play. CBS only calls it classic hits because the term oldies has become tabu in radio circles. DLA75

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Mandilion

A mandilion or mandelion is a loose men's hip-length pullover coat or jacket, open down the sides, worn in England in late sixteenth century.

It was fashionable to wear the mandilion colly-westonward or Colley-Weston-ward, that is, rotated 90 degrees so that the front and back were draped over the arms and the sleeves hung down in front and behind.

 * "...sithence such is our mutability that to-day there is none to the Spanish guise, to-morrow the French toys are most fine and delectable, ere long no such apparel as that which is after the high Almaine fashion, by-and-by the Turkish manner is generally best liked of, otherwise the Morisco gowns, the Barbarian fleeces, the mandilion worn to Colley-Weston ward, and the short French breeches make such a comely vesture that, except it were a dog in a doublet, you shall not see any so disguised as are my countrymen of England." - William Harrison, The Description of Elizabethan England (1577), 'Of Our Apparel and Attire'.

Why the fashion was named after the small village of Collyweston in Northamptonshire remains uncertain.

Another pronunciation of the fashion is "coley-westwards".

See Chaperon for a similar development in the medieval hood-turned-hat.

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Plaigarism?
The trivia section here seems to be lifted word-for-word from the IMDB trivia section for this movie.

I'm not sure if this is an NPOV issue or some other issue (or if this is an issue at all), but this article feels more like a movie review than an encyclopedia article. It makes subtle comments about the film's quality that, in tone and syntax, feel like a subjective reflection rather than an objective description of the film. Granted, analysis and explanation are needed in an article such as this, but nonetheless, I say it sounds like a movie review, even though it never actually says, "Go watch this movie!" --151.200.240.68 04:12, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I see your point in a few passages, and removed the ones that I think crossed the line a bit. I don't want to alter the article too much because it really is much better than most movie articles in WP (which are either "X was a 1999 movie. It was directed by Y. Cast: [list of the cast copied and pasted from IMDb]" or 20 long paragraphs giving a scene by scene rehash of the entire movie ["and then this happened. And then this happened. But then this other thing happened..."]). I'm going to remove the tag, but if anyone thinks it still needs work feel free to make some changes, or re-insert the tag and mention a few specific problem passages here. -R. fiend 22:39, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Is there going to be anything on this page about how Stone took dramatic license to a near extremem in this film? I mean c'mon after the whole JFK deal I would hope people would think twice about an Oliver Stone film.

 * Well, the film really doesn't make any concrete statements about the JFK thing. What the whole "Bay of Pigs" thing meant was only addressed as speculation by Haldeman. And Nixon did mention the Bay of Pigs quite a bit in weird contexts, as shown in the movie (you can read it in the tape transcripts). As for the nameless, shady guys Nixon met in Dallas, well, it's implied that they were involved in the assassination, but Stone makes it clear Nixon wanted nothing to do with them. (Nixon was in Dallas right before the assassination, that much is fact). Most of the film is quite accurate, though obviously many of the behind the scenes stuff had to be filled in with dramatic lisense (as is true of all historical dramas) and much was condensed. -R. fiend 15:06, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Article Re-write in Order
I applaud the author of this article from trying to do a Wiki article on a movie that is more than just the bare boned facts. However, there should be some section that points out that many of the people who knew and worked with Nixon, strongly dispute Stone's take on the former President.

According to Henry Kissinger, Nixon never called his wife "Buddy" while he was around and no one else who Kissinger worked with in the White House ever heard him call her that. He never yelled and raved in the WHite House (he was more withdrawn than anything else) and was NOT a drinker, nor did he take pills as depicted in the movie. The movie is also guilty of taking quotes from people and putting them in other people's mouths or putting them into a context they were not originally meant.

The author does allude to the fact that the movie is not meant to be a re-telling of history, but without highlighting the errors of fact and then calling some of the errors accurate, the entire article becomes misleading. I suggest some more research is in order to point out some of the more glaring factual errors in the movie. I am not talking about fictional meetings with conservatives in Texas, or allusions to some plot to murder Kennedy. I'm talking about Stone having Mao tell Nixon, "you are as evil as I am." The reader of this article should know that that line in the movie is a total fabrication by Stone. Ramsquire 19:15, 11 August 2005 (UTC)MAYBE THIS ARTICLE SHOULD BE MERGED WITH THE MOVIE JFK TO CREATE AN OLIVER STONE FILMS INVOLVING CONSPIRACY THERIOES ARTICLE.

I put through some changes regarding the movies allegations of the connections between Nixon and the JFK assassination. I think this is more true to the film, and I think the previous version was missing the subtleties of the connection.

"NIXON" vs "JFK"
Does anyone know what Stone really thougtht about the Kennedy assasination? In one movie he implicates Nixon and the Cubans, in the other it seems to place it more with LBJ and the Mafia. The CIA seems to get blamed in both, though.
 * Who cares what Stone thinks? It's not like he is an authority on anything.

Nothing in Nixon implies that Nixon had anything to do with the Kennedy Assassination, though there are some suggestions about Cuban involvment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roadshell (talk • contribs) 19:51, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

CLEANUP
See WikiProject Films/Style guidelines. Cbrown1023 17:34, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Cast
Does the long cast list even need to be listed in the article? Black Kat 20:36, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Exactly. That's what the IMDB is for. If no one else objects, I'll gladly delete this section as it is really unnecessary. Count Ringworm 19:22, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

 * I did it for you already. I hate it when people think wikipedia is imdb. It's not. -R. fiend 22:28, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

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Merge from Jack Jones (banker)
As per the desicion af the AfD of that article I merged its content into this article. Later I reworked it. I hope everybody will be happy. Debresser (talk) 14:04, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Please fix external link
White house museum is a parked domain. Its in external link section. Lisachocoholic (talk) 06:42, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

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