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 * I think using Swedish language in discussing here, will not be so popular among the other Wikipedians. /

Habj 02:45, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The name of this page
I find it unfortunate that the title of the page says it's a place for Swedish people. Let's make it a space for people generally interested in things Swedish, and let its title mirror that. Swedish stuff notice board, or something similar. Let's not be exclusive. /Habj 02:45, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * No problem. Perhaps like this: Taiwan-related topics notice board? Or we could also just write it in the intro of the page that it is about all Swedish topics, not only for Swedish people, and stop using Swedish when writing... :-) --Fred-Chess 10:27, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Sweden-related topics notice board would be OK. Uppland 11:02, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * It mainly seems to be a consistency thing. I think of the first similar notice boards was Irish Wikipedians' notice board (which even has a "mission statement" saying "This page is a notice board for things particularly relevant to Irish Wikipedians"). Most others have been named in a similar fashon, although Category:Regional Wikipedian notice boards lists several, mainly Asian ones, that have the form X-related topics notice board. I think the latter form is better, but I would prefer a general discussion at the Village Pump, aiming to achieve a general naming consensus across all similar projects. / Alarm 12:15, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Seems like a good idea. If the issue is taken up at the Village Pump, will a notice of that be posted here? for those of us who don't regularly check the VP. /Habj 12:21, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Translation of "Församling"

 * Original message in /Outdated talk1. The sub page /Terminology directs the issue.

note on RAÄ images
There are several images on Swedish Wiki that are cortesy of Riksantikvariatsämbetet RAÄ (www.raa.se). There is a much temporary template on here template:RAÄ, basically derived from sv:Mall:RAÄ. Images from RAÄ can not really be used here anymore!!! They are not released under a free license, and they are also not impossible to acquire by ourselves (a requirement for fair use). So do not upload them here, and if you see any, please add the above tag to them, so that we can trace them, and possibly note the uploader about this policy. --Fred-Chess June 30, 2005 12:00 (UTC)

 * I agree that most of these pictures should be easy to replace. Most of those used on sv are just exteriors of buildings which anyone could photograph. A few may be more difficult to replace for the time being (like the Kockum crane or some air photos), but we can probably do without them or eventually replace them as well.

 * Anyway, I have started a subpage here to be able to include more detailed image requests: Swedish Wikipedians' notice board/image requests. Uppland 30 June 2005 14:51 (UTC)

Swedish province/county/region names
Is there any sort of agreement as to whether one should use the Latin names for Swedish regions or the Swedish names? "Dalecaria" is an abomination. --Adamrush 6 July 2005 00:33 (UTC)

 * You can write which ever you like to. I often prefer to Latin as they are more neutral and easier to pronounce for non-Swedish speakers. Alt. you can use both, such as "in Smalandia (Småland) there are [...]" --Fred-Chess July 6, 2005 09:45 (UTC)

 * The Swedish province articles have been boldly moved from Latin to Swedish names, and the "abomination" Dalecarlia now redirects to Dalarna. One user, in fact Fred Chess, has protested at Talk:Skåne, and I have given my reasons for the move. Please weigh in with your opinion! Please let's keep all Latin/Swedish discussion at Talk:Skåne and avoid dispersing it over all the province articles. Bishonen | talk 11:20, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Just for the record, this discussion has been conducted at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Swedish provinces before (with pretty obvious anti-Latinization results). That is the project page for the provincial names and by definition the most appropriate forum for these discussions.
 * As for using any Latin name except for "Scania", I strong advise against it. If you Google search for them, the Swedish names often outnumber the Latin ones by at least 1000:1. And that's with modifiers set for English and "+Sweden", "-Wikipedia" and all that. They're inherently non-notable and not appropriate for encyclopedic use, even in running text.
 * Peter Isotalo 13:01, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Some precise points from Peter. The pro of Latin names are that they are neutral. The con is that I don't think they are actually used, and I have never been able to see apoint in using names that no one uses; I have been forced to keep a reference list next to my computer to keep track of them.
 * For Scania I'm double edged. Scania is clearly a name used. I wouldn't change it from "Scania" to "Skåne" but also woulnd't change it from "Skåne" to "Scania". So I'm happy. I'm only not happy that no one asked here first :(
 * --Fred-Chess 13:50, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * I forgot to mention: I'm not going to change any more "Scania" into "Skåne". The name is common enough to allow it to be up to individual editors to decide. (Especially since the adjective form "Scanian" is very convenient.) I encourage others to do the same.
 * Peter Isotalo 13:30, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Runes

 * I moved this section here from the "Suggestions and requests" section of the project page, since it is a question rather than a request for specific articles to be created. / Alarm 12:15, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

(Please move this subheading if it is inappropriately placed) I've been translating and touching up a few articles on rune stones in Sweden from the sv wiki and have come upon some problems with christening those which have no colloquial name. There is a relatively well-known system called Rundata which consists, usually, of a code for its region and its serial no. (t.ex. "U 1011" comes from Uppland and is no. 1011). Maybe this is the wrong place to take a vote, but would you prefer if these articles are titled after their Rundata (U 1011) code exclusively or should I additionally create a redirect page with a human-readable title like (Upplandian Runic Inscription 1011)? --Adamrush 6 July 2005 00:23 (UTC)

Naming discussion I: Linköping
A few weeks ago I asked at Talk:Linköping why the page is named "Linköping" only, when other Swedish cities of almost the same size and of similar age is at "X Municipality", e.g. Västerås Municipality and Norrköping Municipality. If anyone here knows if there is a policy on this, or simply has an opinion on whether or not the page ought to be moved to Linköping Municipality, please comment at Talk:Linköping. / Alarm 15:03, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I actually don't care. Mic's original idea was to seperate all pages into municipalities and tätort, just as he did with counties and provinces and so on. Right before he left, he did it to some in Blekinge, e.g. Karlskrona and Karlshamn.
 * I asked Uppland how we should do, before I started on the project of writing about them. He advised me that the material about the municipality is so small that is is of no use yet. I agree with him. I haven't moved any municipality or town though because I think contents is more important than the title. --Fred-Chess 20:16, July 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Opps forgot to write about Linköping... Well, very few pages are in the format "X" (w/o mun.). When I first saw it, my first belief was that some unknown person had moved it at some time because he thought the page wasn't about the municipality. My second guess was that it was just a mistake, it was left like that by mistake. In any case, I don't think there is a policy about it. --Fred-Chess 20:28, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

 * I hadn't noticed Karlskrona, Karlshamn and other similar examples. (I've since then noted that Lund has the same division.) In the long term, I think this is probably the way to go for all of them, but it certainly seems unneccesary to embark on a major project to divide stubs in two parts. However, I would argue that it would be logical to move any pages "X" to "X municipality", with the exception of the four more well-known major cities Stockholm, Gothenburg, Malmö and Uppsala. For these four, it might be relevant to create new "municipality" articles and move the relevant information there, while keeping information about the cities proper/the urban areas at the present titles. (Suggestions along these lines have been floated at Stockholm, where some confusion as to what the article should cover admittedly exists.) If we do this, all municipalities will have an article on the "X Municipality" form, which would be nice. / Alarm 18:36, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Nice to see you agree with me.... I have made a little revision of the infobox template which I hope will clarify this matter also.
 * Surely Linköping could be L. Municipality.
 * Concerning Stockholm, I see no reason to favour "Stad" for "City", because City is the English word for Stad. Unless you would use the name "Stockholm Stad" when speaking to a foreigner?
 * --Fred-Chess 18:48, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

Oh no! Not another subpage!
I'd like to point you in the direction of Swedish Wikipedians' notice board/Terminology, which I've just created. I have had the idea to create a kind of dictionary for some time, and now it's done! I hope that it will be useful to anyone writing about Swedish topics and that it can help standardize the terminology used on Wikipedia. The page lists English translations of some common Swedish terms used in articles relating to Sweden and Swedish issues and provides links to more specialised lists. I welcome fact-checking and review as well as further additions. However, please avoid bloating the page by adding whole lists, e.g. translations of all military ranks. I think it works much better to link to a page which already has a list of the terms in both languages. / Alarm 15:18, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

About references
After reading the policy concerning references, I realized I have been doing slightly wrong for a while. I might as well advise others here: try to acquire references in English, because Swedish references are of no use to the majority of English speakers... If there are no comparable English ones, then we have no choice, of course.

For instance when I was writing the article about Swedenborg I found many good books in Swedish, but none the less, if it is possible, books in English are to be preferred as cited references.

--Fred-Chess 20:11, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

Hitchhiking in Sweden?
If anyone happens to be an expert on hitchhiking in Sweden, you could help out with a question at the Reference Desk. / Alarm 18:13, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Quality template discussion

 * I have created three quality measures for Sweden related articles. They are Template:Sweden-article-1 Template:Sweden-article-2 and Template:Sweden-article-3. Their intention is to show the goals for Swedish articles, and to distingiush the "good" and "decent" articles from the stubs. Comments are appreciated. --Fred-Chess 10:07, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * I am fairly certain that templates like these should not be placed on the article page, but on the talk page. I've moved them to the talk pages and also updated their style to correspond to the style used by other talk page messages (for example oldpeerreview). Revert these edits if you think they were no good. Otherwise, a very good idea and I hope we can arrange some kind of voting for articles that would be suited to have any of the three templates. -- Elisson • Talk 11:06, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Well the thing is -- they are intended for readers, not editors. As such they are more useful on the article page. --Fred-Chess 22:04, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, but the featured template is also for readers, stating the article is one of the best articles on Wikipedia, but it is on the talk page. I don't know if there is any guideline on this, but I think that notices that "are forever" (for example awards like this one) should not be placed on the article page itself. I'm going away tomorrow (see my user page) so I probably won't be able to contribute to the discussion for a while. -- Elisson • Talk 20:17, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes... Well, you know my opinion. Let's see if we get can other opinions. I will actually also be going away tomorrow, and Alarm is away (until the 18th). --Fred-Chess 20:37, August 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * Placing templates like these in the article pages is as far as I know considered inappropriate by most of out editors. I'm not sure if there is actual policy written, but it might as well be considered official. I have seen some discussion with proposals of placing some kind of discrete notice that an article has been selected as an FA, but these have not gained much support. I agree that templates like these belong on the talkpages, since references to the inner workings of Wikipedia should only be used when there are content disputes over an article. / Peter Isotalo 11:12, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
 * The aproximate measures I have in mind are something like this: A page with at least one reference is usually a "decent article" (someone has spent some time on it). If the article has several pages of text it is a "good article". For premium articles, I am judging by working hours dedicated to the article: more than, say, 20 dedicated hours would make it a premium article. --Fred-Chess 13:52, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, I would like to supplement the criteria you propose with some that more directly address the quality of the article, apart from the process of writing it. I mean, length, reference, and lots of work say that time has been spent on it, but they don't address the actual result of the work—the quality of the product. Of course there's a strong correlation between time spent and quality, I'm not disputing that, but it's not an absolute or invariable correlation. It seems to me we'd also need criteria like, say, "well-written", "well-structured", "doesn't leave out any important aspects". Also, what's the decision-making you have in mind for placing one of the templates—a vote on our talk page (or a dedicated page)? Without something like that, it wouldn't be exactly accurate to state that the article "is regarded by the Swedish notice board as" being decent or good or excellent. The question then would be whether we'd be able to generate enough interest in such voting procedures. The idea is intriguing, though, and I do appreciate that many or most of the articles you have in mind are probably too short to aim straight for the stars (=Featured Article status). Still, perhaps it would be as practical, or more so, to try to work up just a few of the Swedish articles into FAs? Seeing as WP:FAC has a voting procedure already in place and tends to generate much interest. Just a suggestion. (Any templates of this nature definitely need to go on the talk page IMO, btw.) Bishonen | talk 13:09, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Nr 1. We haven't yet voted on any articles. The 3-step borders have large margins. I added some initial article to the categories to give you an idea of what I had in mind.
 * Nr 2. The articles are bascially here not only as a lower quality FA, but as a higher quality stub marking. There are just too many Swedish articles that are stubs, and I think one needs to be able to find the "corns" among the bunch. Most Swedish artist-articles, for instance, are stubs. Then we have your article about Cornelis that is a lot longer. A good article, and marked as such.
 * Nr 3. Obviously -- yes -- quality is important. So no, a 50 hours work of stub isn't going to make it. I would say that one needs to estimate the amount of work required to create the page for the average editor. When an article has gotten more than 20 hours they tend to cover a lot, etc. I think it is fairly easy to say when an article has more than 20 hours of work in it. Swedish language probably has at least 100 hours.
 * Nr 4. I would like the article itself to at least be in a category. The current design isn't suited for the article page (my initial design was a little more subtle, so would perhaps have worked better, but I see the difficulty in having dozens of quality markers on the article page -- so I will rest my case for now...) The idea, by the way, comes from German Wikipedia. They have quality measures on the article pages, and I think they do their work fine. (See de:Stockholm)
 * --Fred-Chess 16:08, August 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * I think I more or less agree with Bishonen on this issue; I am not convinced of the value of a separate quality evaluation process from the peer review and FA pages Wikipedia already has, and I am not sure we have enough people here to have a peer review process all of our own. What I think we should do is to identify those articles which either have potential to become FAs or which really need much work but should become FAs because of the inherent significance of the subject. I still think Fred's Emanuel Swedenborg article should be nominated for FA, as soon as more detailed references have been added. I'd also like to see a much better, FA status, article on Carl Linnaeus, who, like Swedenborg, is one of the internationally best known Swedes (that article actually sucks right now, although it is still better than the Linnaeus article on the Swedish Wikipedia, but that's what you'd expect). I don't know if I want to actually propose a "Swedish Collaboration of the Week" type project, as we may be too few too complete something in a week, but perhaps a monthly focus area, a "Qualitätsoffensive", as they call it on the German Wikipedia. Looking at the de:Stockholm article, I think that may what what Fred has in mind, but perhaps we should only use these tags for articles on which we are actually working. Uppland 09:31, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I second most of what Bishonen and Uppland are saying. I'd also like to mention that I've noticed that Fred keeps adding these tags, saying that the Swedish notice board regards articles to be of high quality. While these articles might indeed be good, I'm rather uncomfortable with Fred acting on the behalf of the rest of the notice board. Myself, I'm very sceptical about the value of marking all "decent articles". This would require more work than it is worth. I agree with Uppland that the effort would probably be better spent working towards FA status. (I find the Irish featured article drive a reasonable way of handling this.) Myself, I would suggest Sweden and Stockholm as obvious targets for collaboration towards FA status. Another interesting option might be to start a Wikiportal for Sweden which might point to quality articles without involving the official endorsement a template referring to the notice board would mean. (There is even one for Estonia!) / Alarm 15:11, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Man... Alarm, I did not even add "Swedish Wikipedians Notice Board" to the templates, Elisson did. But what is wrong with adding a quality measure on articles? The wording on the templates do not matter so much to me...
 * I want templates to be for our dear readers, who may get tired of seeing stubs for 3/4 pages, and miss out on good articles.
 * --Fred-Chess 16:01, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes, it was me that added the notice about who regards what, so don't blaim Fred for that. I added it because I thought that it was the meaning of the template, to have a vote or discussion on this page about articles that would be attributed with the "award". As this does not seem to be the case at the moment, feel free to change the wording. -- Elisson • Talk 16:57, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

 * OK, sorry for jumping to conclusions, Fred! I just reacted to the wording of the template not corresponding to reality (perhaps I'm a bit grumpy today...) - but I'm sure we can find a process for handling this and move on. My first-hand alternative for aiding the reader in finding high-quality Sweden-related articles is still a wikiportal (provided we are at least five people interested in updating it), but if there is strong support for a "quality stamp" template I'm all right with that. However, I fail to see the point of having a grade for "decent" articles. To me, it would feel more relevant and less complicated to restrict it to a single version, reserved for articles that are within a stone's throw of reaching FA status. / Alarm 19:40, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Swedish schools
Just in case anybody feels like starting to enter articles on Swedish schools, there is a page on the website of the Swedish National Agency for Education (Skolverket) where one can search for schools in Sweden. Searching for all schools of all types in the whole country results in 7872 schools. Limiting oneself to secondary schools, the search results in merely 818 institutions. :-) Uppland 19:19, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I'd be careful about creating articles about Swedish schools, especially high schools. There has been a lot of bruhaha about US high schools and there are some pretty strict demands that any high school article needs to be about thoroughly notable, or it will wind up in a VfD and will most likely get deleted (I tend to agree with this view). This would probably limit the selection to older, prestigous schools in Stockholm, Gothenburg and Malmö, and in particular the schools founded during the older school system like Norra latin, Södra Latin and Östra Real in Stockholm.
 * Peter Isotalo 11:22, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree. That's more or less what I have written on the notice board. --Uppland 11:36, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Naming conventions III: Swedish regiments
A long time ago, when I started working on this series as a newcomer on Wikipedia, I got the advice to translate all names to English, following the Use English convention, and I did so. However, now, after a year, I feel that was not the right way to go, for two reasons:

 * Would anyone ever search for my translations? I mean, who would type in Queen Dowager's Life Guard Regiment in Pomerania, when looking for info on Riksänkedrottningens livregemente i Pommern? There is a difference between typing in 1st Panzer Division when looking for the German unit, and typing in Westrogothia Cavalry Regiment or Västergötland Cavalry Regiment, as very few people ever write Swedish regimental names in English, while the German units are commonly refered to with an English name.
 * Some names are not easily translated, like the above, or Västgöta-Dals regemente (Västgöta-Dal Regiment, Västergötland-Dalsland Regiment, Westrogothia-Dalia Regiment?). Most names are based on the [province]+regiment composition, and not on the [number]+[type]+division composition, which is much easier to translate. There is not much difference between Norrbottens regemente and Norrbotten Regiment, and as the first is much more common, why not use it?

What is your opinion in the matter? -- Elisson • Talk 22:35, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Since no-one has answered yet, I'll start moving articles to Swedish names. Please stop me if you have something important to say. :) -- Elisson • Talk 11:39, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi, I am back now. I suggest that you image how a page of CIA would write. I think they would write "the Norrbotten Regiment" because it is a mere translation of a descriptive name. So I would chose the English ones. But as they are not in English use yet, it maybe does'nt matter -- as long as the redirects are there. --Fred-Chess 15:52, August 12, 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes, I'll keep/create redirects for "possible" English names, so that won't be a problem. -- Elisson • Talk 18:07, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Swedish substubs
I don't really want to be negative, but I have noticed some Swedish contributors writing one-line substubs. The Swedish Wikipedia, where article count is the reigning principle, is full of those, most of which give about as much info as anybody looking up the topic can already be expected to know. I would like to recommend contributors to write a decent stub from the start, maybe two or three paragraphs of 5-10 lines altogether, preferably with at least one reference which points at where the info came from. It is easier for whoever starts the article to do so from the beginning, than for someone else to do it later. It better invites further contributions by others if the article has had a decent start, rather than if it looks as something the original author just wanted to get out of the way with minimal effort. I wouldn't support actually deleting such substubs, if the topic is notable, but it would be better if they weren't created in the first place (unless necessary for disambiguation purposes or something, of course).

I think this is particularly important if you pick something from the list of requested articles. I just added Bror Hjorth there. I would see a substub saying "Bror Hjorth was a Swedish sculptor" or something to that effect as less than useless, as it will make it a blue link and give the impression we have an article on the subject, which we still won't have at that point. Uppland 10:41, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I fully agree with all you are saying, and I have added a note on this in the introduction of the "Requested articles" section, as well as a "Substubs" section under "Requests for improvement/expansion", where any such articles can be listed. I suggest that we limit the list to the most glaring substubs, with three sentences or less of main article text. / Alarm 19:57, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Subpage for all new articles
Inspired by New articles (Australia) I have created a new subpage for all new Sweden-related articles, whether or not they have been listed on the notice board, at Swedish Wikipedians' notice board/New articles. All editors are encouraged to add all Sweden-related articles they come across, as well as their own creations, to the list.

I decided to compile such a list for two reasons. Primarily, I am curious to know what kind of Swedish-related articles are created, and I also think many of us would want to check out new ones and see if we can contribute to them. Secondly, seeing the large number of very relevant articles that are created without first having been listed on "Requested articles", the old list I've been updating, that only mentions such articles, felt a bit irrelevant. There are a lot of other people who deserve credit for working hard with filling the holes in Wikipedia's coverage of Sweden. However, in aiming to list all new articles created during July and August, I think I was biting off more than I could chew... I had absolutely no idea that so many Swedish-related articles were created every week! (Of course I'm convinced that I haven't even found them all.)

Anyway, I hope you find this list useful, and that you're interested in helping out maintaining it. I will try my best, but the more people involved, the more effective will this be. If you come across a newly-created article on a Sweden-related topic, please consider adding it to the list. Oh, and if you think this is a totally useless idea, please let me know and I won't bother. / Alarm 22:23, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Ok Alarm. I hadn't noticed you posted at the talk page, but think you deserve a reply, better later than never. I was sceptical about your idea, because it seemed to take a lot of time to register all articles one creates. Consider there is already many "side" things that needs to be done such as interwiki, copy images to commons, finding a category, and so on...

Anyway, I came to the talk page to propose something else (see below)

How about some joint work then?
As many users have expressed a wish to join up to create Featured Article about Swedish topics, I think we really should try and do that, especially since I think it would be fun. Of course, I am still pissed that all my dedicated hours of Swedenborg will never become a featured article, having being up for peer review twice even, so I haven't cared much about the debacle of featured articles, but I assume it must work in theory.

(I personally don't know why an article has to be "featured" to be good, I'd much rather prefer two excellent but non-featured articles than to spend the time creating one article and putting it through a time wasting nit-picky peer review. I'd rather dedicate the time expanding both Stockholm and Gothenburg, for instance)

It seems to be a lot of work to create and maintain a Portal, as Alarm suggested, but if you do it Alarm, I'd surely join that party.

In the meanwhile we could work on something here. Although I cherish such dedication as Swedish hip hop, IFK Göteborg, and the Swedish alotment system, I think it would require too much extra study for most of us others to get acquainted with the topic to be able to contribute -- and I'm not even sure everyone is interested in, say, Swedish hip hop. So if we were to make a combined featured article I think it would be best for the editors, and for the readers, to write about something more general Swedish.

I'd agree with Alarm about something like Stockholm. Of course, I have only been there once myself, and the thing I liked the most was a computer game at the Vasa Museum, but I'd still think it would be worthwhile to learn more about.

Other suggestion might be Gothenburg, Visby, Drottningholm, Sigtuna, or some other city maybe? (I know them very well by know, and it never fails to impress girls when I tell them that Umeå is known as the city of birches ;-)

Fred-Chess 13:31, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

 * See below for comments on the Wikiportal suggestion. As for a collaborative effort to improve the quality of one or more articles, I'd do what I can to contribute. I'd suggest that we try the informal road, to see how it works, before we set up a formal "Swedish collaboration of the week/fortnight/month/quarter". I think we should go for very well-known and general topics. Mainly because that would make most of us able to contribute without having to do major research, but also because I find the quality of such articles more important than the quality of specialist subjects. Following this reasoning, I'd say that even Sigtuna might be a tad to narrow a subject. I'm going to be bold here, and put up a quick "show of hands" below in order to check support for some suggestions. / Alarm 17:07, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Quick show of hands - Informal Swedish collaboration
Users prepared to contribute (to a smaller or larger extent) to an informal Swedish collaboration, add your signatures below it. New suggestions can of course be added.

Sweden

 * 1) Alarm 17:07, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Fred-Chess 16:00, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

Stockholm

 * 1) Alarm 17:07, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Uppland 12:38, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Gothenburg

 * 1)  -- Elisson • Talk 17:41, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Fredrik | talk 17:43, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Culture of Sweden

 * 1) Alarm 17:07, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Fred-Chess 16:00, August 27, 2005 (UTC)  This is a sub-section (or linked as "main article") of Sweden. IMO, If we write about Sweden, we would need to utilize such sub sections.

Music of Sweden

 * 1) Alarm 17:07, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Postwar history of Sweden

 * 1) Alarm 17:07, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Comments
I think a comments section below the voting would be justified.

I feel that we should try and make the articles smaller by utilizing sub sections more, inspired by Alarm. So that each section about Stockholm should be perhaps 3-4 paragraphs, the rest goes to sub articles. There is a discussion on meta about this, don't know the address, but they used the article Poker as an example.

I feel that the "average Joe" won't read through 5 pages if he wants an overview of something. Fred-Chess 16:08, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

Wikiportal
As I've just posted in the News section, I just found out that an anonymous user actually created a Swedish Wikiportal in June, from a copy of the British one, but did not even finish the startup work. The page is now listed on Votes for Deletion and I'd say it's basically up to us here if we want to keep it or not. I see that Fred has already started to work on it, and I might put in some work later. However, I hope that at least a few others can offer to help out with maintenance. After having looked more closely at other country-related Wikiportals, I'd say it need not be that labour-intensive. (Unless we opt to create an "In the news" section as ambitious as the one over at the Canadian Wikiportal. However, several Wikiportals have no "In the news" section at all, e.g. the Romanian one, and I suggest we skip that for now too.) As I see it, the chores would mainly consist of: As long as I'm able to devote time to scanning newly created articles, I'll try to contribute some "did you know"-lines. / Alarm 17:58, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * maintaining a list with a few candidates for featured articles and featured pictures,
 * changing the featured article and the featured picture every once in a while (once a week?)
 * adding "Did you know"-lines for some of the newly created articles (perhaps 2-3 per week)
 * monitoring the portal and its subpages for vandalism

 * I see no harm in trying. Fred-Chess 18:09, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

Nazi Wiki (off topic)
Very off topic, but you might like to know that a bunch of American neo-nazis have set up their own wiki by downloading and importing the entire Wikipedia database. This includes user pages. That's right, you all now have user pages on a Nazi wiki. I have registered there, under the same username, and erased my stuff from my user talkpage. You may consider doing the same (remember to use another password than the one you use here). Another thing: It seems Å, Ä, and Ö don't work there. The article Hermann Göring is only accessible through the redirect Hermann Goering and it looks like Hermann G�ring. I can't help finding Nazis with such problems handling German orthography particularly contemptible. Uppland 20:03, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * At this moment, their Main Page article is in Hebrew. LOL. I noticed some people on #Wikipedia today coordinating subversive efforts like that. Bishonen | talk 20:25, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Three crowns?
I notice that the image for "article regarded of high quality" is of two crown imposed on a blue background. Shouldn't it be three crowns?

 * Well, we have a premium quality too ;-) (Comments on this are appreciated)
 * Fred-Chess 10:21, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

 * Yeah, I see now, sorry... You base a Michelin Guide system on the national emblem. How curious... =P

Malin Baryard - I Love Horse (Do You Want To Ride?)
I've created an entry for Malin Baryard by translating the Swedish Wikipedia entry. This includes a single-entry discography for a supposed 2004 song called I Love Horse (Do You Want To Ride?). I found this so funny I nearly wet myself (a combination of the broken English and the innuendo).

I'd love it to be true, but a Google search doesn't give much evidence to support this. Does anyone know whether or not this is legit, or was it a case of vandalism on the Swedish entry? If it was vandalism, it seems odd to me that it's been on the Swedish entry so long without being reverted. CLW 19:22, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

 * The title is "do you wanna ride" :-)
 *  Malin Baryard spelar in en singel i hemstaden i Norrköping med Spånka NKPG, med Norrköpingsprofilen Anders "Gresse" Grentselius vid mixerbordet, rapporterar Rockphoto. "Gresse" är även medlem i bandet Spånka NKPG.   http://www.ridsport.se/kortnyhet.htm
 * A small image here: http://img.kelkoo.com/se/medium/903/195/0058147701613981741499332193493409195903.jpg
 * Fred-Chess 19:58, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

 * Great! I shall make the appropriate ammendments. Thanks, Fred CLW 20:06, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

 * More from Google:
 * http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/ridsport/story/0,2789,455797,00.html
 * http://www.expressen.se/index.jsp?a=119233
 * Uppland 20:12, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

 * According to Malin Baryard herself, the lyrics are about horseriding, and she couldn't understand how anyone could interpret it differently, (personal note: the insufficient grammar aside =P). Basically, the lyrics consist of three lines "I love horse, do you wanna ride? Horse is my fetish.", and I believe that if Malin Baryard was too ignorant to realize the implication herself, the songwriter probably did.

What Should Stockholm Be About.?
Hi everyone. I have made a little informal poll on Talk:Stockholm. Hopefully we can agree on the scope of the article "Stockholm". I encourage you all to weigh in your arguments. Fred-Chess 21:12, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

Polish wikipedia offers coverage on Sweden's municipalities
I have been desiring a robot assisted insertion of infoboxes and information about Swedish Municipalities for five months now. It has now been created -- but on Polish Wikipedia. pl:Kategoria:Gminy_Szwecji. Polish wikipedia has now articles for all Sweden's municipalities.

Fred-Chess 14:32, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

Outlining the scope of the notice board
Some section of the notice board have, since the notice board was started in June 2005, proved more successful than others. This likely is related to users willingness to contribute to them. As the notice board should be serve a purpose, it is probably better to focus on the sections that works and cut off the rest.

The notice board will serve its purpose best if it encourages constant contributions. So all assitance-request will be moved to a sub-page, where discussion on the articles will take place as well a section one can enter his name when finished working on it. // Fred-Chess 14:11, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Conclusion on various section:

 * The request for improvement / expansion sections often require knowledgeable people to spend quite a lot of time. Nobody has also been been interested in maintaining the sections, checking if they have indeed been expanded or improved on.
 * Other sections that have not been maintained includes requested translation and requested images.
 * The to-do list is confusing since there are also sections with the same content. It has proven difficult to maintain both of them, adding/removing article as necessary.

// Fred-Chess 14:19, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Accuracy of translations from sv Wiki
If a member of this notice board would like to invite other members to check his translation of a Swedish article, where is the proper place to do so?

I just finished an article on the personnummer which includes not entirely universally official English translations of Swedish government bureaus. --Adamrush 14:53, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi Adamrush. I guess here is as good a place as anywhere else to ask other editors to cast their eyes over translations! I've had a quick copy edit of your translation. I'm guessing that you're referring particularly to the translation of Skatteverket? Funnily enough, a translation I've been working on today referred to Skatteverket, which I translated as the Swedish Tax Agency just as you did. http://www.skatteverket.se/ don't seem to be particularly consistent - I found both Swedish Tax Agency and Swedish National Tax Board in the English section of their site and preferred the former. CLW 17:19, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Please see the "Utrikes Namnbok ", according to which the name should be "National Tax Board". // Fred-Chess 17:56, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

 * You'd think the Skatteverk could read that! --Adamrush 18:02, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Please see the /Terminology subpage for that and other useful glossaries from sweden.gov.se. Bishonen | talk 18:06, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the list
Thanks, Fred, for the list of quality articles you mentioned here. That's very helpful to the WP 1.0 project, thanks, we'll probably be including those articles in WP 1.0. Walkerma 21:58, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Swedish middle names
Most articles on Swedish people include their middle names in bold. To me this seems as slightly misleading, since middle names in Sweden are largely ignored and very seldom, if ever, used to address someone. I dabbled with moving putting them after the name in italics, but someone pointed out that this could look pretty odd to non-Swedes. Any suggestions on what format would be most appropriate?

Peter Isotalo 19:20, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Why not just put them in the middle not using bold or italics? // Liftarn

 * Or it might look more natural to lay the name out as follows:
 * Göran Persson (born Hans Göran Persson, January 20, 1949)...
 * I don't think that people who don't know much or anything about Swedish names would understand the current layout at Göran Persson. I mean, even I find it odd looking, and I reckon my knowledge of things Swedish is above average for a non-Swede. CLW 09:19, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

 * I am not really clear why Swedish middle names should be treated in any way differently from other full names. The name the person is known under is shown as article title, is it not? Adding 'born' or italics and such just makes for hard reading. Having Göran Persson as article name, and starting the article with Hans Göran Persson in IMO the simplest and clearest solution.--Sannab 10:08, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

 * It's fine as it is in most cases (i.e. "Hans Göran Persson" should all be bold). The name a person is known by should be clear from the title of the article, unless the person is actually better known by the full name (as Per Daniel Amadeus Atterbom, Carl Jonas Love Almqvist et al.), and the name, excluding "middle names" can also be used later in the article text to make it clear. In any case, "middle name" is not really a good term for what may come first or anywhere else in a series of names. (Additionally, mellannamn actually means something more specific in the most recent version of the Swedish law on names, but that is a recent innovation and seldom relevant for our purposes.) Uppland 10:26, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

 * I just think it's slightly misleading to bold completely unused first names. No one ever refers to Göran Persson by anything other than "Göran Persson". Not in Sweden nor abroad. If you look him up in NE, you won't even find "Hans" in italics or non-bold like they do with August Strindberg's or Putte Wickman's additional names.
 * Peter Isotalo 13:13, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

 * In this case, I can't see that "Hans" is essential for the article... The current way it is written is perhaps a good alternative. /Fred-Chess 08:26, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Presumably it is part of his full name (I haven't actually checked). The way Peter has done it seems more confusing to me. The "Name (born Fuller Name)" alternative is also confusing, as it gives the misleading impression somebody intentionally changed his/her name, rather than just using it more or less the same way the whole life.

 * We could italicize the tilltalsnamn, as is done in some publications, but I really see no reason for it as long as the article title makes it clear how the person is known. Svenskt biografiskt lexikon uses bold for the entire name at the beginning of an entry, but only the tilltalsnamn in headers, captions and inside the article. There are some complications with Swedish names in other cases (such as medieval people with patronymics), but in this particularcase, I see no reason to depart from general Wikipedia style. Tony Blair notes his full name at the beginning of the article as Anthony Charles Lynton Blair. How is that different from Göran Persson? Uppland 08:50, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I'd change it into Hans Göran Persson, but that would be confusing with the audio since that is of Göran Persson. / Fred-Chess 13:02, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

The virtual flora
I'm confident that most Swedish biologists or botanists know about the virtual flora at Naturhistoriska riksmuseet, it's basically a flora covering anything that grows in Sweden. The question is, is translating it to Wikipedia articles a copyright violation? Will we have to ask permission first?

If so, I'd be willing to undertake the project of integrating the information into Wikipedia, anyone interested in the field is naturally welcome to help O bli (Talk) ? 17:46, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

 * A straight translation would probably be illegal. using the information from it is not. You may want to check sv:Wikipedia:Nordens flora first. // Liftarn
 * Seems to be about the same thing, the only thing we'll need from the virtual flora would be the English names, then. O bli (Talk) ? 19:10, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Translation help for Sweden Democrats article
I'm going to stop editing the Sweden Democrats article after receiving a death threat, but there still is a need for some translation help as much of the sources are in Swedish. // Liftarn

Translation from en to sv
I have recently created an article on the Swedish military bicycle. I needs to be translated by a competent Swedish speaker for use on the sv wikipedia. Does anybody want to step up to the plate? --Adamrush 16:06, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Nordenskiölds
I recently made a surname-dab at Nordenskiöld, in preparation for my writing a stub at Nils Otto Gustaf Nordenskiöld. In the process of googling, I found a bunch of other Nordenskiöld with entries in the Svenskt biografiskt handlexikon, so I added redlinks for them. Could I ask someone to check my characterisations of the occupations of each of the entries with SBH exlinks. Thanks. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 11:59, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Succession Swedish monarchs
Template:Succession Swedish monarchs has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. (I was intending to notify User:Mic, but apparently he is gone, so I am saying this here just in case.) Ardric47 00:37, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Request for incorporating some content
There is a Swedish-language page on Ben oil at She net whose content I would love to see incorporated into the Ben oil page. Would a Swedish speaker be interested in taking a look? Waitak 12:00, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Sub-page for Swedish-English translations
Requests for Swedish-English translations has been moved to the sub-page at Translation into English/Swedish. --Ezeu 18:27, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Standard naming scheme
Please see the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Regional notice boards. Zocky | picture popups 00:52, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Request for comment on Christopher Gillberg
The discussion on Christopher Gillberg has been heated. Third opinions are welcome.

Fred-Chess 19:37, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Kubb
Could someone have a look at the Kubb article. It seems to be getting lots of unsourced additions. --Mais oui! 10:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Hmm, this would need references. I'll see what I can find. / Fred-Chess 10:36, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Ta. --Mais oui! 11:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Again with Scania/Skåne.
There was just an other undiscussed move by User:John Anderson of Skåne to Scania (region) followed by a flurry of renaming in various articles, some of which I have reverted for now. I think we might have to have another discussion about this at and I've started a thread to get a dialogue going.

Peter Isotalo 15:37, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

DYK
The DYK section featured on the main page is always looking for interesting new and recently expanded stubs from different parts of the world. Please make a suggestion.--Peta 02:11, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Request for comment on Talk:Swedish Anarcho-syndicalist Youth Federation
There is a dispute going on at the article of Syndikalistiska Ungdomsförbundet. The dispute in question is about sources, and as a Swedish organization, most sources are Swedish. I though I'd list it here as dispute resolution may as thus require knowledge of the Swedish language. Tack på förhand, Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 01:55, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Swedish military industry
Shouldn't there be an article about Swedish military industry? Or is there one and I cannot find it? There are quite a few articles in the category Category:Defence companies of Sweden and Category:Military equipment of Sweden, but I reckon there should be an integrated article giving an outline of the likes of Bofors, Kockums, SAAB and perhaps even Huskvarna – companies that have had an impact not only in Sweden but also internationally. --Ezeu 10:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Elisson is working on one. See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Sweden.
 * He calls it Military history of Sweden.
 * Fred-Chess 15:20, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Frölunda HC - Requested move
I have started a WP:RM for Frölunda HC to be moved to the standard, official name of Frölunda Indians.

Please contribute at Talk:Frölunda HC. --Mais oui! 16:08, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Members of the Riksdag
Hello. I'd just like to mention I've begun some kind of a one-man wikiproject on our MPs: members of the Riksdag. See User:Jobjörn/Riksdagsledamöter and feel free to help out. Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 20:14, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, this is dull
Well, this is one dull notice board. The WikiProject isn't too active either. Anyone want to cooperate on something? Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 22:44, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

 * I think the project is better suited for cooperative tasks? But, to reply here, I can think of many things we can cooperate on. It depends on what you are interested in. Do you want to write lists, GA:s, FA:s, comprehensive stub articles, or B-class articles to cover larger topics? For example, one could create an article for every member of the Riksdag. Pia wanted to create articles of all Scanian castles. And some people like to write GA:s or FA:s, but they would take a lot longer time to write. / Fred-Chess 15:15, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Norse history and culture
has been formed. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 21:28, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Swedish language
Swedish language has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. –panda (talk) 03:18, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Swedish language (again)
Disputes over contents in Swedish language don't appear to be approaching any reasonable consensus, and the discussion is pretty much in a stalemate with accusations of personal attacks. The discussion could really use input from other editors. Please see talk:Swedish language for the current discussion.

Peter Isotalo 13:29, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

OT: possibly incorrect info at the sv. wiki
Over at the Zoroastrianism article, we have a tendentious anon editor who has repeatedly inserted incorrect information. It appears that he/she has pulled the same stunt over at Zoroastrism (this edit of 14 March), and has perhaps mangled a cited statement in the process. A speaker of Swedish might wish to check if the cited source backs up that change. Regards. -- Fullstop (talk) 00:53, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Since I do not have the book I can not check if it is correct or not, but even if it is, it would not be a strong source, the source is a pocket book collection of statistical numbers, so it is a very general source, only relying on other source for its data and can easily have added a extra zero by misstake when printing, my guess is that he ignored the source and just edited. --Stefan talk 02:11, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * *nod*, I suspect the anon just ignored the source as well. The previously sourced figure of 270,000 was added to the sv.wiki on 18 June 2006 by sv:Anv%C3%A4ndare:Flinga. Could you please post a note of the discrepancy on that editor's talkpage? Thanks. -- Fullstop (talk) 22:08, 13 April 2008 (UTC) ps: stronger sources would be: "some 200,000" in Melton, J. Gordon & Baumann, Martin, eds. (2002), Religions of the World: A Comprehensive Encyclopedia of Beliefs and Practices, Oxford: ABC-CLIO, ISBN 1-57607-223-1, p. 634; "approximately 250,000" in Hopfe, Lews M. & Woodward, Mark R, eds. (2003), Religions of the World, New York: Prentice Hall, ISBN 0-13-183007-4, p. 313; "130,000" in Eliade, Mircea & Couliano, Ioan P., eds. (1991), The Eliade Guide to World Religions, San Francisco: Harper Collins, ISBN 0-06-062145-1, p. 254; "[...out of] a world Zoroastrian population of 150,000" in Palsetia, Jesse S. (2001) The Parsis of India, Leiden: Brill, ISBN 90-04-12114-5, p. 1 n. 1. Incidentally, the anon tried to cite flaky adherents.com, which—judging from this page—was an invalid cite as well.

Talk:Midvinterblot
The article is about a Swedish painting and the references provided are Swedish. I, as the GA reviewer of the article, wanted two of references verified. Can someone please verify if the references are translated perfectly in English? Thanks.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 07:33, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Lars Fredrik Nilson
The chemist Lars Fredrik Nilson who discovered Scandium has only a stub article with a link to a swedish orbituary. It would be nice if anybody could add some content from the biography! By the way there is no swedisch article at all for him!!--Stone (talk) 17:23, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

 * DONE Thanks for your help and the instant response! --Stone (talk) 05:04, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Date format poll confirmation
There is ongoing discussion on the talk page for the Manual of Style (including a series of polls) aimed at achieving consensus on presenting dates in American (June 6, 1523) or International (6 June 1523) format on an article by article basis. The poll gives full instructions, but briefly the choices are: If you wish to participate or review the progress of discussion, you may follow this link. --Pete (talk) 06:15, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * C = Option C, the winner of the initial poll and run-off. (US articles have US format dates, international format otherwise)
 * R = Retain existing wording. (National format for English-speaking countries, no guidance otherwise).

Nordic cinema task force
A Nordic cinema task force has been proposed at WP:FILMS, which would include the cinema of Sweden. Interested editors are encouraged to sign up - if there is enough interest, then the task force will be created! Many thanks, Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 18:20, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

tungsten
The sentence in the tungsten article was changed from:
 * The name "Tungsten" (from the Swedish tung sten, meaning "heavy stone") is used in English,
 * to
 * The name "Tungsten" (from the Danish tung sten, meaning "heavy stone") is used in English,
 * Now my question is: What is right, or is danish and swedish so similar that the word is the same in both languages? --Stone (talk) 14:00, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Tung sten is heavy stone in Swedish, but the languages are very similar and wiktionary gives the same for Danish (see and ).
 * --Skizzik talk 14:58, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * However, the online source the article cites for the ethymology connects the element's name with analysis of the mineral tungsten (later scheelite) by Carl Wilhelm Scheele and Torbern Bergman, both of which were Swedish chemists. So even if tung sten can also be Danish (or Norwegian), that's not the languages where the expression came from. Tomas e (talk) 15:07, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the help! --Stone (talk) 15:11, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

The Jämthund and the Swedish Armed Forces
I came across claims in the article Jämthund which I suspect could be hoax: it is supposed to be "...the National Dog of the Swedish Marines, and the Swedish Air Force's official service canine..." and they "...were mobilised during wartime for sled pulling". You can chime in at the talk page if you have anything to add. Tomas e (talk) 16:04, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Need a check on some Swedish literature
In the controversy about the Christianization of Scandinavia (see also: Fringe theories/Noticeboard) I would need more information about the Swedish sources currently used in that article. There is, for example, one: Schön, Ebbe. (2004). Asa-Tors hammare, Gudar och jättar i tro och tradition. Fält & Hässler, Värnamo. ISBN 91-89660-41-2 I was wondering, whether a monograph about Thor's hammer is really the best source for the Christianization of Scandinavia, so I searched a little, and according to google books, the publisher is not Fält & Hässler but Hjalmarson & Högberg. I checked out the homepage http://www.hohforlag.se/ and it doesn't really look encouraging. They are advertising a book about Oswald Spengler there. However, that is only my first impression, and I might be wrong. I would appreciate it, if a Swedish-speaking editor could look at these sources.

I know that is is difficult to find English-language sources if you aren't living in an English-speaking country. I used German introductory textbooks, too, but I also went through the effort of finding English literature, in this case: Sanmark, Alexandra (*1970-* ): Power and conversion : a comparative study of Christianization in Scandinavia; Uppsala : Department of Archaeology and Ancient History, Uppsala University, 2004, 322 p., Occasional papers in archaeology ; 34, the English Ph.D. thesis of a Swedisch historian. There are some inconsistencies between this textbook and the article Christianization of Scandinavia as it currently stands, so I would need to asses the reliability of the sources used there. Zara1709 (talk) 12:45, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * After taking a quick look at the webpage of Hjalmarson & Högberg (which already sounded somewhat familiar as a publisher) I wouldn't at all characterise it as a "weird publisher". Possibly they have an overrepresentation of "debate books" rather than just noncontroversial subjects. I noticed both a book on Swedish foreign and defence policy by a conservative voice (Jan Larsson) and a collection on writings on Israel and Palestine commissioned by the social democrats' study organisation & their Christian wing, so I see no obvious signs that they are biased in their publishing. As to the author Ebbe Schön, he is a quite prolific author in the folkloristics area, and his entire Swedish-language publication should be registrered here. From their titles, I get the impression that many of his publications are made for a general rather than an academic audience, and includes some  youth novels. Tomas e (talk) 21:05, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

 * Zara, the Sawyers have written a review: /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 21:54, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

 * The main problem, why I turned to this noticeboard, is not to find additional English sources for the topic. The problem is assessing the reliability of the Swedish sources currently used in the article. The work I've mentioned above is used as a reference for the sentence: "Thirteenth century runic inscriptions from the bustling merchant town of Bergen in Norway show little Christian influence, and one of them appeals to a Valkyrie." Although this is rather dubious alone ("A cathedral, three stone monasteries and seven or eight stone churches were built in Bergen before 1200." page 155), the next sentence is contradicted by my university-level textbook. The article currently says: "At this time [13th century], enough knowledge of Norse mythology remained to be preserved in sources such as the Eddas in Iceland." My textbook says: "The extant verses [of scaldic and eddaic poetry] were written down in Christian times, mostly during the thirteenth century." "It is thus possible that the strong personalities of the eddaic gods and other beings were mostly developed by Christian writers, such as Snorri Sturluson."(Sanmark 2004: 23, 179)

 * In giving the impression that the Eddas are authentic accounts of pre-Christian 'paganism', the article Christianization of Scandinavia currently appears to be biased towards a Neopagan point-of-view. To sort this out, we would need to know what the Swedish sources used in the article actually say, in an English translation. But I don't know whether I can expect that from the Swedish speaking editor who (instead of locking up some academic references on his own) accuses me of violating wp:NPOV and wp:synth. (diff) Technically it is possible that my source, although it is a Ph.D. thesis from London College, does not represent the mainstream academic view. But then we would need to know what other academic sources have to say, and English translations from the Swedish sources currently used in the article. So I think it would really be helpful if some Swedish-speaking editors could take a look at the article and the sources, although this might require quite a lot of time. Zara1709 (talk) 19:46, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

 * The article has problems at many levels. It is a broad subject, and few people have an overview, as history i usually dealt with on a per country basis. That is probably the reason why Lund (archbishopric!) is hardly mentioned.
 * Yes, you are right, Iceland had adopted Christianity two centuries before Snorri was writing. Of course he and his sources were influenced by biblical and classical writings.
 * The Swedish sources are not scholarly books. Lagerquist is a numismatician who wrote a book with biographies of Swedish kings, a widely available piece of popular monarchical history writing up to the present king, but without any references. Mats G. Larsson is an archeologist who has produced several popular history books. His book "Göternas riken" has been harshly criticized by academic historians for dusting off antiquated scholarship, for having an uncritical attitude to primary sources, etcetera. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 20:23, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It is always amusing to see how you twist things Pieter. Mats G. Larsson is an authority on the Viking Age, and he was hardly more criticized than scholars usually are by scholars with opposing ideological stances.--Berig (talk) 09:14, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Rakowitz
Please see my question about a strange toponym used on de and sv wiki at Talk:Battle of Warsaw (1705).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 19:30, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

A hacker/hackare can be a short Swedish farmer without a computer?
Please see my post at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sweden. I'm cross-posting it here because I assume there could be people here who are not signed up for WP:SWEDEN who could know this subject. Tomas e (talk) 10:34, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Translation request
I'm currently working on an article about a ship, the SS Penelope. This webpage appears to mention her, possibly in connection with a captain who served on her at one time. I'm not really sure as I don't speak/read Swedish. Once the article has gone live, I'd appreciate it if an editor could expand the article from that source if possible. Mjroots (talk) 18:05, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * It's an article from the newspaper Nya Åland about Kurt Eriksson, a retired sea captain. Penelope is only mentioned in passing as one of the ships Eriksson commanded, and Eriksson himself doesn't seem to be notable. Bo Lindbergh (talk) 22:04, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Pronunciation request
Hi! Could someone help with the correct Swedish pronunciation with IPA of the names Robert (Robin) Sanno Fåhræus and Johan Torsten Lindqvist? It would make a lot of help for the article: Fåhræus–Lindquist effect and later in the biographical articles of the two scientists. Thanks, Timur lenk (talk) 21:39, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Should diacritics be encouraged or discouraged in article's titles?
You may be interested in my proposal here. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 20:41, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Grinding grooves in Gotland
Someone please look at astronomical calendars in Gotland. The grooves undoubtedly exist and are probably worth writing up. But is their interpretation as a calendar accepted? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:51, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

 * Ask User:Mrund. He is a professional archaeologist (who has done work on Gotland, although perhaps not on this specific topic) as well as an active debunker of fringe archaeology. --Hegvald (talk) 06:41, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Perth requested-move notification
A requested move survey was started at Talk:Perth_(disambiguation), which proposes to move:
 * Perth → Perth, Western Australia
 * Perth, Scotland → Perth, Perthshire
 * Perth (disambiguation) → Perth

Background: There was a previous requested-move survey which ran from late May to mid June. There was a great deal of controversy surrounding the closure and subsequent events, which involved a number of reverts and re-reverts which are the subject of an ongoing arbitration case. There was a move review process, which was closed with a finding that the original requested-move closure was endorsed; however, the move review process is relatively new and untried. — P.T. Aufrette (talk) 04:15, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Parishes of Sweden
There are some users hunting Swedish historic geography articles. They say parishes are generally not notable. But there are even disambiguation pages for parishes, e.g. Saint George Parish. See the deletion attacks at Sollentuna Hundred, Sollentuna Parish, Bromma Parish. ChemTerm (talk) 00:51, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Erik Gottfrid Christian Brandt for DYK?
Feel free to expand, I can't find any more English sources. Would make for a fun hook. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:51, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

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Block issue
I was permanently blocked from Swedish Wikipedia some time ago under rather deplorable circumstances, including one or more users posing as me abusing Wikipedia. After one year had passed, I was kindly permitted by administrator to apply to get unblocked on my Swedish user talk page. The request, however, was dismissed by another administrator,, since evidently "nothing new has happened which would motivate unblocking". That's true - no contributions are permitted to Swedish Wikipedia from the account. Nor was continued access to my talk page there accepted. I guess I am referred to continue to make contributions to other parts of Wikipedia. Perhaps another unblocking request after another year has passed would be considered taking into account the lion's share of contributions outside of Swedish Wikipedia, where notably I have never really had any similar unpleasant experiences whatsover. Chicbyaccident (talk) 15:58, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Your main interest was on svwp Roman catholic church, which I see still is your main interest on enwp. And the min bone of contention was that you want to see the mideival church adm units in Sweden as a early stage of the catholic adm units set up in modern time in Sweden, where the majority wanted to se them as a pre stege to the Lutheran church adm units set upp in mid 1500. (and to this came the way you acted when your view was not accepted). I have seen that you now have changed this issues on enwp according to your view, and I suppose the interest on this issue is so much smaller on enwp, that noone bother to oppose you. But with this change I think you can forget getting access to svwp, it will be interpreted that you have bypassed the view on svwp by doing contradictionary edts on enwp.Yger (talk) 17:53, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

 * The ban on editing the talk page was lifted in June this year to give Chicbyaccident a chance to plead for unblocking. That did not lead to an unblock, and I hardly think any action of theses two months would be of such merit that a new request would be successful.
 * Andejons (talk) 06:52, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

 * I find it peculiar how a few administrators could be intimidated by one user humbly advocating English Wikipedia consensus on the Swedish Wikipedia, that they couldn't but block the signature altogether. Coincidently the impartiality of precisely the administrators that vouched against my user account's access to Swedish Wikipedia are raising concerns on other subjects, with other users. Yger was friendly enough to let me get access to my proper talk page on Swedish Wikipedia in order to ask for unblock after a year had passed. I suppose I will have to wait before I bother you with another such request. Chicbyaccident (talk) 18:52, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

 * Dear and, I have now contributed significantly more to the English Wikipedia both in terms of time and quantity of edits. I have never been blocked or threatened with blocking here or in any other language version. The majority of my edits have met no opposition. If anything, the feedback on my contributions has tended to be positive as far as I am concerned, e.g. barnstars. Perhaps senior contributors , Laurel Lodged, Marcocapelle, TonyBallioni, Andrewa, Necrothesp, Cuchullain or Fayenatic london with whom I have collaborated occationally may be asked for an examples of a references here? Throughout these years, I have refrained from creating a new account on Swedish Wikipedia, hoping that the block of the preexisting one could be reevaluated (or at least that of my talk page there). Notwithstanding, in such a request last year that  kindly initiated,  (who blocked my account) asserted that "nothing new had happened". Hence, what more would be prerequisite to reconsider this permanent block there? Any advice on how to better meet the expectations of the Swedish administrators that had my account there permanently blocked would be appreciated. Please excuse the inconvenience. Chicbyaccident (talk) 18:47, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

 * I have raised the issue at svwp. We'll what the reaction is. Andejons (talk) 20:40, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
 * If entered into a personal commitment not to return to the pattern of behaviour that got him blocked in the first place, then perhaps SW admins might re-open the case. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:19, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

 * With the risk of reopeing the controversy and make way for repeated miscrediting by the opposing administrators, as far as I can recall, the block threat against me on Swedish Wikipedia generally surrounded the following issues (in Swedish articles): 1) advocating article name equivalence on Swedish Wikipedia with that of English Wikipedia on Catholic Church, 2) connecting the Diocese of Sigtuna with the Catholic Church, and 3) introduction of a "Criticism" section on Expo (magazine).
 * Altogether that proved a fatal approach with more than one hornet's nest, I guess, sadly even resulting in users scrambling to pose as me in personal attacks during temporary blocks in order to further undermine attempts to insist on credibility. I have not been alone in my points on any of these issues, though, and several users supported my perspectives, so that's fine. Furthermore, I have felt relieved with the peaceful co-existance of different opinions on English Wikipeda. I would just want to have the control back of my user account on Swedish Wikipedia, at least the userpage and talk page, especially since I don't expect to be able to contribute as extensively to Wikipedia as the last years. So that would be appreciated. The request on Swedish Wikpedia that Andejons kindly helped me with fell out in the archive without any result. Please let me know if there is anything I could do to achieve this. Thanks! Chicbyaccident (talk) 21:52, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

 * Chicbyaccident clearly has a strong POV on the Catholic naming dispute, but he’s not the only one, and many of his views have gained consensus on en.wiki. If a TBAN were proposed here, I do not think it would pass. He’s an editor in good standing here, even if he advocates strongly one position to an extent I would not. I have no opinion on the sv.wiki block as I try to stay local to en.wiki when commenting on admin actions since I do a fair amount of work with admins from other projects. That being said, commenting as an en.wiki editor, he’s done nothing near the level of sanctionable conduct here. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:12, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I entirely agree with User:TonyBallioni. Advocating a particular view on the naming of articles of categories is obviously something completely else than misbehavior. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:58, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I can't speak on the block at Swedish Wikipedia, but on English Wikipedia, I'll echo 's comment above that I've never seen any conduct from that would warrant sanctions.--Cúchullain t/ c  14:36, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Agree. My views on the naming of Catholic Church articles are strong too and often in conflict to theirs, but I have found them consistently respectful, rational and passionately here. In particular, if there were any behavioural issue concerning that dispute, I would expect to have seen it by now. The Swedish block is surprising to me and regrettable to the point of tragedy. On the other hand it is beyond my control, and even competence. I speak no Swedish, but there are two even more important issues. Obviously, the Swedish behavioural standards may be very different to ours (and I would like to restore ours to what they once were! But not to the point that there would be any problem with Chicbyaccident's behaviour). Possibly more important still is the possibility of code switching. I'm a much nicer person in French than in my native English (which is one reason I love to speak it I guess). So if I can help I will, but apart from encouraging others to do so I can't see how at this stage. Andrewa (talk) 19:14, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I know most of you do not speak Swedish, and that makes it hard for you to understand why there was a permanent block on Chick. If you use a translator and try to read the discussions in his Swedish archive (end of 2014, 2015 and 2016) you might understand better.
 * First of all Svwp is not "under" enwp, and there are different rules and ways to interact. By saying "in enwp they do like this, then you have to do that on svwp too" is not a good way of trying to get consensus.
 * Secondly, which you see in 2014, you shall not proceed with controversal mass-changings in articles while the controversal issues are discussed. (that leads to a preventive block, because the disussions have to be finished first) If that kind of behaviour proceeds after the preventive block, and also restarting the discussion (were the concensus was against him) it might lead to more blocks and finally a long block to give the others time to work with wikipedia and building articles and not discuss what a "one-subject user" wants to discuss forever.
 * Please do not see the permanent block as a "he did nothing and got a permanent block directly", but a long process over 3 years with a lot of blocks before the last (which came just 3 days after a 6 months long block). Look at the archive and you might understand better. And, of course he did not only do bad edits. Noone have said that. Best regards, Adville (talk) 21:37, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comment. Conversely, naturally not all edits were impeccible. My contributions to Swedish Wikipedia weren't thoroughly flawless. Certainly a couple of early ignorant mistakes of third turn reverts etc. in hindsight motivated procedural initial short blocks, as were calls for increased patience with WP:CONSISTENCY (strong and in hindsight counterproductive determination on both sides in contention). I've excused that inconvenience. Without going into what other users have asserted about your biases or that of the other couple of main opponents of my participation (who have themselves been blocked), I regret that this resulted in seemingly a mutual discontent around participation in talks, and a subsequent arguable trigger happiness of blocking administrators. The permanent block in question post the 6 months block was carried out by an administrator for mere participation in one of these subjects on a talk page. The previous 6 months block was, if I remember right, influenced by a perception that I commented outside of a previous block - which I didn't; someone else posed as if in order to miscredit my already marginalised account. Anyway, thanks for sharing your concerns as an opponent. Still hope an amnesty could be evaluated. Happy to have any further thoughts on that. Chicbyaccident (talk) 22:59, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I think it is best to let anyone who is interested to read and translaget themselves from the archive to not get our pov. What the Svwp decides will be a matter there. Hopefully your contributing here might help you (I have not checked you at all here). But to be frank with you I think your chances are small, because it was a lot of blocks and endless discussions. Best regards Adville (talk) 18:42, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * It is as pointless for those who do speak Swedish and are parts of the Swedish Wikipedia community to justify here their actions there as it would be for the English Wikipedia community to criticise them. That is their business alone. If they wish to take notice of our experience here that is fine, and if not that is fine too. I would hope that were the situations reversed that we would consider their more recent editing record on other Wikipedias, but again that would be none of their business.
 * It's not just that my looking at the Swedish Wikipedia archives would be an enormous investment in time for little effect. More important, it should have no effect whatsoever. A complete waste of time at best. Andrewa (talk) 11:00, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Andrewa, of course you are right, and that is what I mean too. I saw this question on svwp and saw that it seems like there even now would be a no to unblock. But we will see. Adville (talk) 19:13, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * From a selfish POV, perhaps swwp's loss is our gain. I badly need an editor of their particular competencies to take on a real stinker of an issue, right now. But it's not one I would wish on my worst enemy, so I have hesitated to involve them. Andrewa (talk) 11:03, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

I just checked the KAW (comments about administrative actions) on svwp. The discussion about you, Chick, which were started about unblock had been automatic archived. However the last comment was like this: "I think the permanent block was correct and the user did not seem to want to change the behaviour. However I think his user discussion should be unblocked to give him a chance to make his point". Noone wrote after that, and therefor I did unblock that discussion for you. Please use this posibility well, and remember there are many users that were involved in all the conflicts around your editing. (Its not only the catholic church, but also right wing extremism edits and the most important, using bloggs anf other not good sources and not understanding why they were not good. The last issue I hope you have learned here on enwp to master. I have not checked that.) Best regards Adville (talk) 09:02, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Yes. Especially considering that you have been one of the main adverseries in conflicts where I regrettably participated, I appreciate your courtesy. As such, I regard my above request as closed. Thanks also for the comments from third part users and administrators whom I asked! Appreciate that too. The kind words by including the quotation certainly makes you reflect. Now I'm just uncertain on how to proceed in order to not provoke the kind of "veto" enforced by the couple of users that rejected the previous unblock request. Could you please help me how I could proceed? I don't expect to be ably to contribute much to Wikipeda henceforth altogether. It is the simply some amnesty that I would hope for. Chicbyaccident (talk) 12:50, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

I'm a bit late to the discussion (been on wikibreak). If I understand correctly, this is all resolved with an unblock now, isn't it? — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  10:21, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Very welcome back! The talk page of my account was unblocked - which was enough for me to withdraw from the Swedish Wikipedians' notice board - but not the account. I'm trying to resolve that but still having a hard time. Your input would be appreciated. For details, please see: User talk:Chicbyaccident. Chicbyaccident (talk) 11:05, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

 * My user account on Swedish Wikipedia has now been recovered. Thank you for your kind help. PPEMES (talk) 16:43, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I was involved in the unblock. Just want you to know the user Chick changed his name after the unblock and wrote above. Else that edit seems strange. Good luck, PPEMES. BR Adville (talk) 22:07, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

 * Thanks, yes, that's correct. PPEMES (talk) 05:00, 3 January 2019 (UTC)


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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Electoral roll

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was SPEEDY DELETED. Postdlf 07:39, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Update: The content was speedy deleted but a new page was recreated with this title to redirect to Electoral register. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 20:41, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Electoral roll
This seems like a weird Star-Wars-New-Jersey nonsense joke? Philthecow 01:21, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

There is definitely fact, and great. it must live. it is the jedi way.

Delete Put it in Wikibooks, not Wikipedia.--AI 01:29, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

No wait this is absolute jenius you musn't delete it it's a traaaaaaap --AdmiralAckbar 01:29, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Dont delete --Tarkin 01:30, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

What about it is joking? The whole thing seems very serious to me. Electoral rolls are an Easter tradition in my family, going back hundreds of years; I was thrilled to see this article created, finally explaining my family's long-loved food to the rest of the ignorant world. Don't take it down and keep the cycle of ignorance going! Yeah, I agree. It is a benefit to the whole of Wikipedia. It ties in several articles that otherwise may not be tied to anything. --Laura 01:31, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This is legit. The roll is an important part of the culture and shows how several different worlds took advantage of easy trade routes to better their economies. The Electoral roll is a symbol of simple ideas turing into a thriving business. --WWHITE 01:34, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Dont Delete this is not trash! --Cenataur_Palpatine 01:30, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Dont delete. This is a well researched, well written article. It is both informative and entertaining, and I applaud the writer on his/her article and its connections to various articles that might otherwise fade into obscurity.--Paca 01:31, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete or Speedy as nonsense. Seems to be a BJAODN attempt that went on a paragraph or two too long. The sockpuppets aren't helping. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd  01:52, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

Don't delete. This article exists in the 23rd dimension and deleting it will surely make us slaves to the infinite void. Christopher Walken's Ambiguous Potato 01:36, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Delete as nonsense. --PolPotPie 02:04, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

PS A Google search for Electoral Roll returned 148,000 pages. Capitalistroadster 02:09, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. This article is utter nonsense and sock supported to boot. However, I would vote to keep a genuine article or reasonable stub on Electoral Rolls which are lists of eligible voters in the UK, Australia and New Zealand. Capitalistroadster 02:08, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as per sockpuppets. Mr Bound 02:16, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment/explanation. PolPotPie blanked the whole page (including the vfd notice) to put in the legit article topic suggested by Capitalistroadster. I restored everything and put PolPotPie's new text at the bottom, as it was not appropriate to remove the vfd notice (even if the new material was legit). I vote to speedy delete the current silly hoax history, and then immediately restore PolPotPie's text as a stub for a new article on the legit topic of recorded lists of voters, and the sale thereof. Cheers! -- BD2412 talk 02:23, 2005 Jun 14 (UTC)
 * Just to be sure PolPotPie's new text is not lost in any event, he wrote:
 * An electoral roll is a list of eligible voters in the United Kingdom, New Zealand, and Australia. Its function is similar to a census, in that it is a comprehensive population list, but it can be bought or sold privately by specialized companies.

 * Cheers. -- BD2412 talk 02:31, 2005 Jun 14 (UTC)

 * Redirect to Election. Geogre 02:48, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

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Cheapness and Beauty

Cheapness and Beauty is the fifth studio album by English singer and songwriter Boy George, released in 1995. It peaked at number 44 on the UK Albums Chart.

Background
Having scored his biggest solo success in the US and Canada with the theme song for the movie The Crying Game in 1992, George decided to move away from an electronic sound and record some rock-oriented tracks with a glam-rock edge. One of the reasons he cited for this move was revisiting his teenage years while writing his autobiography, Take It Like a Man, which was released around the same time as the album. The album also marked the first time in which George didn't hide his gay sexuality in the lyrics. The tracks "Genocide Peroxide" and "Il Adore" were both later featured in the musical Taboo.

Singles
The album opens with a cover version of Iggy Pop's "Funtime", which was released as a single and reached number 45 in the UK Singles Chart. Another single was the ballad "Il Adore" which peaked at number 50, and "Same Thing in Reverse", which reached number 56 in the UK and number 28 on the US Billboard Dance Charts.

Track listing
All tracks composed by George O'Dowd (Boy George) and John Themis; except where indicated
 * 1) "Funtime" – 3:05 (Iggy Pop, David Bowie)
 * 2) "Satan's Butterfly Ball" – 3:03
 * 3) "Sad" – 3:52
 * 4) "God Don't Hold a Grudge" – 2:49
 * 5) "Genocide Peroxide" – 3:44
 * 6) "If I Could Fly" – 4:04
 * 7) "Same Thing in Reverse" – 3:33
 * 8) "Cheapness and Beauty" – 3:59
 * 9) "Evil Is So Civilised" – 3:32
 * 10) "Your Love Is What I Am" – 4:12
 * 11) "Blindman" – 4:42
 * 12) "Unfinished Business" – 3:33
 * 13) "Il Adore" – 6:12

Personnel

 * Boy George – lead vocals
 * John Themis – guitar, vocals and musical director
 * Winston Blisset – bass guitar
 * Tansay Ibrahim – drums
 * Mike Timothy – keyboards
 * Lady Zee, Linda Duggan, Stefan Frank – other vocals
 * Luís Jardim – ethnic percussion on track 11
 * Hossam Ramzy – mandolin
 * Martin Bell – extra drums
 * Uli Webber – cover picture
 * Jessica Corcoran – production
 * John Themis – production on tracks 5, 6 and 13

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Denistone railway station

Denistone railway station is located on the Main Northern line, serving the Sydney suburb of Denistone. It is served by Sydney Trains T9 Northern Line services.

History
Denistone station opened on 26 September 1937 with two side platforms. However, they were built with provision to be converted to island platforms at a later date. The western platform was converted on 24 October 1978, and the eastern platform on 27 November 1989 when extra lines were opened.

It contains one of Sydney's smaller commuter car-parks. The station is located on a steep 1 in 40 gradient.

The station was earmarked for closure in 2001 due to low patronage but the plan was strongly opposed by the community who eventually won their appeal for it to stay open.

In early 2019 planning for an upgrade to the station commenced with the project set to be completed in 2023.

This upgrade involves two new lifts being built, one for each island platform. The upgrades were completed in September 2023.

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Ratu Adil

The Ratu Adil, literally meaning Just Ruler, is a messianic figure found in Indonesian folklore, more precisely in Javanese tradition. It is believed that they will establish universal peace and justice in the manner of similar figures, such as King Arthur in European folklore. The Ratu Adil is first mentioned in the Pralembang Joyoboyo, the set of prophecies ascribed to the 12th century King Jayabaya of Kediri. The Ratu Adil is described in Jayabaya's prophecies, also according to the 19th century poet Ranggawarsita; as a figure who has an exceptional ability to lead the country.

Description
The prophecy predicts that in a time of a great peril, the Ratu Adil will come from an unassuming background; either they will come from a modest family, poor, and at first unknown.

It is believed that Ratu Adil has exceptional qualities identified as Hastabrata, an eight characteristics symbolized by sun, moon, stars, earth, ocean, wind, fire and water.

In Indonesian history, this belief was highly advantageous to most early nationalist leaders. The prophecy also talks about the decline of the nobility as the established rulers.

History
In Javanese history, there are several examples or episodes that in the time of chaos, injustice, or great peril, a man from unassuming background or unpredicted position, could successfully rise, seized the power, and become the Ratu (Javanese term equate to "Leader/Ruler"). This historic figures among others includes Airlangga the King of Kahuripan, Ken Angrok, the founder of Rajasa dynasty of Singhasari, and Raden Wijaya, the founder of Majapahit. They mostly took the role as the dynastic founder.

In the Javanese religious tradition or Kejawen, it is believed that certain events are preordained by the gods, the divine or God almighty. It is believed that in the time of great danger and injustice, a hero will come and restore the sacred order. This is reminiscent of the function of Vishnu's avatars in Hinduism, or Maitreya bodhisatva in Buddhism. After the adoption of the Islamic faith, local tradition took its Islamic counterpart as the Messianic figure of Imam Mahdi. Thus in Javanese perspective, a Ratu Adil is its own version of Messiah or Great Just Ruler that will deliver the people from injustice and restore order in Java or by extension, Nusantara (Indonesian archipelago).

Applications
The mantle of Ratu Adil has been applied to a number of persons in recent Indonesian history, including Prince Diponegoro, Sultan Hamengkubuwono IX, Tjokroaminoto, President Sukarno, and Dutch military officer Raymond Westerling (Legion of the Just Ruler).

In 1951-1964 around Paniai Lakes there was a messianic movement called Wege, the members consisted primarily of Ekari people believed of a Ratu Adil figure from Java that will come to bring wealth and found "Kingdom of Happiness". The basis of this movement is of a local folktale of Situgumina, a local figure with the knowledge of life and death and the knowledge of world's treasures, after his travel to the west to Java, and would return again. The leader of this movement was Zacheus Pakage, a local village elder and former preacher that had studied in Kebo, Enarotali, and Kemah Injili Church in Unjungpandang. After which he helped missionaries in Moni, Uhunduni, and Dani. Through these experience he experienced discriminations by Dutch authority toward other missionaries, as he did not receive salaries for his service. Members of these movement prepared for the second coming of a Ratu Adil by constructing secret barracks and secluded communities in the forest and participated in ceremonies for weeks and advocated for gotong-royong. Dutch colonial authority would stop this movement in 1954 and sentenced Zacheus Pakage to prison and mental institution. These movement resulted in numerous revolts against Dutch authorities, in 1954 by Agadide community which believed if they killed Dutch local authorities then, they would have to recognized defeat and leave. This along with rumours that white pigs from Dutch authorities caused whooping coughs resulted in escalating tension and lead to Obano uprising in 1956–1957.

Later, a Dutch-Indonesian Pencak Silat pioneer, Rudy Terlinden, gave his pencak silat style the name of Ratu Adil. In his belief, the Javanese mythology of Ratu Adil is christened as Jesus Christ.

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User talk:Louis Molnar

If you want to create an article about Trudy Young (NOT Trudy young), please write an article about her. Copying the information direct from imdb, even in their own formatting and their own words, is a copyright violation. RickK 01:24, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

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Eastwood railway station

Eastwood railway station is located on the Main Northern line, serving the Sydney suburb of Eastwood. It is served by Sydney Trains T9 Northern Line.

History
The station opened as Dundas on 17 September 1886 on the single track line. It was renamed Eastwood on 1 September 1887. The line through Eastwood was subsequently duplicated and has since been quadruplicated. In 2004, the platforms were extended towards Epping to allow 8-car Intercity trains to service the platforms.

The station subway is accessible by non-paying members of the public, although this was separated from the station concourse by a fence. In February 2007, the fence was removed to allow construction of smartcard readers for the Tcard system.

In March 2006 it was revealed, that asbestos fibre had been disturbed by contractors installing cabling for the Tcard project in the roof of the ticketing office at the station. The station offices were temporarily closed and replaced by a temporary booking office in the station carpark.

In June 2008, an upgrade to the station including lifts was complete.

Central Coast & Newcastle Line trains used to serve the station until the 30 September 2018 timetable change, when the service was altered to no longer stop here.

Transport links
Busways operates eight bus routes via Eastwood station, under contract to Transport for NSW:
 * 515: to Top Ryde
 * 521: to Parramatta station
 * 541: to Epping station
 * 544: Macquarie Centre to Auburn station
 * 545: Macquarie Park to Parramatta station
 * 551: to Marsfield

Eastwood station is served by one NightRide route:
 * N80: Hornsby station to Town Hall station

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