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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Live Sex (Interlude)

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Live Sex (Interlude)
This page is way too thug! Gangsta Walk 12:23, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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Talk:Muzzle (firearms)

Wikitionary?
this really belongs in wikitionary and could be deleted without any harm GraemeLeggett 12:25, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Rather expand and include []muzzle blast]] as well as countermeasures, making it a useful entry. --21:06, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Gun parts
Maybe someone can/should take all the various "parts of a firearm" article and put it all together somewhere, instead of all these little articles like "muzzle" and "stock" and "pistol-grip", etc. Thoughts? Arthurrh 21:36, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

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Jacobs Creek (Australia)

Jacob's Creek is a small creek located in Mid North region of the Australian state of South Australia.

Course and features
Jacob's Creek rises in the Barossa Ranges and flows westward through the wine-producing region of the Barossa Valley, approximately 80 km north of Adelaide. The creek is only several kilometres long and eventually meets the North Para River at. The watercourse is studded with ancient and picturesque River Red Gums.

It was first discovered (but not named) by Europeans in December 1837 by an expedition led Colonel William Light and was surveyed in 1839 by his assistant surveyor, William Jacob (1814–1902), as part of a wider survey of the Barossa region. Jacob settled here in the early 1840s, hence the origin of the name. In the local aboriginal dialect it is called "Cowieaurita", meaning "yellow-brown water", in an area known to them as Moorooroo, which became the name of the Hundred.

In the early 1840s Jacob's Creek was briefly home to Johann Menge, South Australia's first geologist, who lived for some time on an island and in nearby cave on the creek. Here he grew vegetables, and was particularly struck with the possibilities for viticulture. Menge was influential in facilitating the settlement from the Barossa Valley by German Lutheran immigrants.

The creek lent its name to the famous wine brand Jacob's Creek, which is produced by Orlando Wines, located 2 km southwest along the Barossa Valley Highway in the small town of Rowland Flat. Johann Gramp, the founder of Orlando Wines, first planted grape vines on the banks of Jacob's Creek in 1847.

In 1997 Orlando Wines, in conjunction with the Northern Adelaide and Barossa Catchment Water Management Board, commenced a rejuvenation project for Jacob's Creek. All non-native plants and trees, such as bamboo, ash, and olives were removed, and replanted with blue gums, red gums and other Australian native trees and shrubs. As a result of the project, many native species of frogs, native fish, and waterbirds have returned, with the creek gradually returning to its former natural state.

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List of parliamentary constituencies in Northamptonshire

The county of Northamptonshire is divided into 7 parliamentary constituencies - 2 borough constituencies and 5 county constituencies.

2024 boundary changes
See 2023 Periodic Review of Westminster constituencies for further details.

Following the abandonment of the Sixth Periodic Review (the 2018 review), the Boundary Commission for England formally launched the 2023 Review on 5 January 2021. Initial proposals were published on 8 June 2021 and, following two periods of public consultation, revised proposals were published on 8 November 2022. The final proposals were published on 28 June 2023.

The commission proposed maintaining seven constituencies in Northamptonshire, as detailed below, with boundary changes to reflect changes to ward boundaries following the reorganisation of local government authorities within the county and to bring the electorates within the statutory range. Corby was renamed Corby and East Northamptonshire, and Wellingborough renamed Wellingborough and Rushden. These changes came into effect from the 2024 general election.

Containing electoral wards from North Northamptonshire

 * Corby and East Northamptonshire
 * Daventry (part)
 * Kettering
 * South Northamptonshire (part)
 * Wellingborough and Rushden

Containing electoral wards from West Northamptonshire

 * Daventry (part)
 * Northampton North
 * Northampton South
 * South Northamptonshire (part)

Results history
Primary data source: House of Commons research briefing - General election results from 1918 to 2019

2024
The number of votes cast for each political party who fielded candidates in constituencies comprising Northamptonshire in the 2024 general election were as follows:

Percentage votes
11974 & 1979 - Liberal Party; 1983 & 1987 - SDP-Liberal Alliance

* Included in Other

1974-present
The borders of Northamptonshire changed from 1974, with the Soke of Peterborough area becoming part of neighbouring Cambridgeshire.

Historical representation by party
A cell marked → (with a different colour background to the preceding cell) indicates that the previous MP continued to sit under a new party name.


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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joseph Bindert

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Joseph Bindert
Lazy (though ably wikified) writing about an unremarkable high school kid. No, it's not patent nonsense. And it's not vanity, either. It's just been a patent waste of time in a high school computer class. (Just think, the kids could have been learning glockenspiel design, synchronized swimming, Farsi, dendrology, or principles of cryptanalysis instead.) -- Hoary 12:30, 2005 Jun 8 (UTC)
 * Glockenspiel design? I think he's getting off lightly. Delete --W(t) 12:36, 2005 Jun 8 (UTC)
 * Delete, I don't think I even have to say why. Jasonglchu 15:04, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn/joke/pointless. Take your pick. --Etacar11 17:17, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete Aecis 18:43, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete prank. JamesBurns 07:16, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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Nancy Richey

Nancy Richey (born August 23, 1942) is an American former tennis player. Richey won two major singles titles (the 1967 Australian Championships and 1968 French Open) and four major women's doubles titles (the 1965 US Championships, 1966 Australian Championships, 1966 Wimbledon Championships, and 1966 US Championships). She was ranked world No. 2 in singles at year-end in 1969. Richey won 73 singles titles during her career and helped the US win the Federation Cup in 1969. She won the singles title at the U.S. Women's Clay Court Championships a record six consecutive years, from 1963 through 1968.

Richey married Kenneth S. Gunter on December 15, 1970. They were divorced on December 28, 1976, and Richey reverted to her maiden name. She is the sister of American tennis player Cliff Richey. They were the first brother-sister combination to both be concurrently ranked in the USA Top Ten. They were ranked in the Top Three concurrently in 1965, 1967, 1969 and 1970. Nancy Richey was inducted into the International Tennis Hall of Fame in 2003.

Grand Slam singles tournament timeline
1 The Australian Open was held twice in 1977, in January and December. 2 Richey did not play. Her opponent got a walkover. 3 Richey was seeded No. 7, but withdrew from the tournament before it began.

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Judith Leiber

Judith Leiber (born Judit Pető; January 11, 1921 – April 28, 2018) was a Hungarian-American fashion designer and businesswoman.

Life and career
Leiber was born Judit Pető in 1921 in Budapest, Hungary, to Helene, a Vienna-born homemaker, and Emil, a commodities broker. She also had one sister named Eva. Leiber was sent to King's College London in 1938 by her family to study chemistry for the cosmetics industry, in part since her father thought she would be safer in London in the case of a war.

She returned to Hungary before World War II, where thanks to family connections she obtained a traineeship at a handbag company, where she learned to cut and mold leather, make patterns, frame and stitch bags. She was the first woman graduated to master craftswoman, becoming the first woman to join the Hungarian Handbag Guild in Budapest.

She avoided Nazi persecution when she escaped the Holocaust of World War II to the safety of a house set aside for Swiss citizens, when her father, a Hungarian Jew who managed the grain department of a bank, was able to obtain a Swiss schutzpass, a document that gave the bearer safe passage. This pass is on view at the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC. The flat where Leiber survived the war housed 26 people.

In December 1944, those living in the apartment were taken to one of the Hungarian Nazi-run ghettos. After the liberation of Hungary by the Red Army, Leiber's family moved into a basement with 60 other people.

In 1946, she married Gerson Leiber (Gus), who was a sergeant in the United States Army serving in Eastern Europe. They met when she was making purses for the secretaries of the American Legation in Budapest, and they moved to New York City in 1947. He was an abstract expressionist painter, member of the National Academy of Design, with some of his works displayed at the Philadelphia Museum of Art, the Smithsonian Museum, the Israel Museum in Jerusalem, and other institutions.

Fashion career
After working as a handbag designer for other companies, Leiber founded her own business in 1963. She is known for her crystal minaudières, evening purses made of a metal shell often encrusted with Swarovski crystals, plated with silver or gold and with various forms, such as baby pigs, slices of watermelon, cupcakes, peacocks, penguins, and snakes. Sold at exclusive boutiques around the world, her purses may cost up to several thousand dollars and have become a status symbol for many women, including several Presidential First Ladies to whom she has given them as a present, from Mamie Eisenhower to Barbara Bush and Hillary Clinton. Animals are a recurring theme in her designs, and often ornament the most expensive purses of the collection, with prices on some animal-shaped minaudières exceeding US$7,000. Some wealthy women collect them; Bernice Norman, an arts patron in New Orleans, owns close to 300 of the Leiber bags.

In 1992, Leiber received the Golden Plate Award of the American Academy of Achievement. In 1994, Leiber received a Lifetime Achievement Award from the Council of Fashion Designers. She retired in 1998. In September 2008, she was rated the most prestigious luxury handbag brand for the second year running by the New York-based Luxury Institute. In 2010, Leiber received a Visionary Woman Award from Moore College of Art & Design. Examples of her work can be found in the permanent collections of the Smithsonian Institution in Washington, DC, the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York City, and the Victoria and Albert Museum in London. The Taubman Museum of Art in Roanoke, Virginia, has had a gallery of her work on display since it opened in 2008.

The Leibers bought property in Springs, New York in 1956 and it became their primary residence in 2011. In 2005 they opened the Leiber Museum across the street from their home to display the bags as well as paintings by Gerson Leiber. The Leibers sought to buy back an example of all of the purses to be displayed at the museum. The museum also displays various awards including the 1973 Coty Award.

Stores
The Judith Leiber boutiques are exclusive as there are only four in the world. They are located in New Delhi, Jakarta, Singapore and Kuala Lumpur. However, some of her collection is available at selected fashion stores like Neiman Marcus, Harvey Nichols, Lane Crawford, Holt Renfrew, Harrods, and Saks Fifth Avenue.

Death
Leiber died at her home in Springs, New York, on April 28, 2018, just a few hours after her husband Gerson Leiber had died.

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User talk:Nichalp/Archive 7

newb with a proposal
Greetings,

I know almost nothing about the world of wikipedia. I have (helped?) to start www.zeriwiki.org in an effort to help a group of people advance an important social mission. I think they are on to something very important and want to ensure it is recorded and hopefully implemented.

How does any of this involve you? I see your interest in India and would like to communicate with you about ensuring these ideas are spread to an Indian audience as I believe they would be beneficial to the people of that country and likely implemented there before they will be widespread here in the US.

I feel the same way about China, as these two countries, as well as several in Africa, suffer from overpopulation and neglect (for now) on behalf of the rest of the world. One major advantage this leaves them is that they have need and lower barriers to implementation of such important ideas by virtue of the lack of certain repercussions of the 'benefits' of being a 'first world country'.

Perhaps you can review the wiki and suggest appropriate help - I don't have a budget (considering going to soros) and I don't have knowledge abut the wiki system, but I have good intentions, determination, compassion, peace, freedom and even abundance... sometimes ;)

Thanks for your help!

namaste. -Justin justin@lightservers.net (my colleagues got me on to the wiki thing :)

 * I don't know what to do as there isn't a goal of the project on the page. == 08:04, May 12, 2005 (UTC)

Response
Thanks for your comments.

I am a bit stubborn, yes, but just look at their attitude towards me in Zanskar and other articles. All I request from them is a little patience.

You stated that ''/temp page for the article, but it is often a mirror image of the original article. The temp page should be done if a major structural and content change is expected. The temp page has a limited shelf life and should be open to others to comment about it. However using a temp page to portray a viewpoint or biased matter is a gross abuse of its use''

That is exactly what I'm doing for Wee Kim Wee. However, I don't understand why Mel stated that I am taking ownership of articles. His impatience also caused the result of this dispute, if you realise that. I admit that my English my have its flaws, but stating about the issue of personal attacks I have my backings against them.

Also what I did in Zanskar was doing for major structural changes. If you can see, the older version of Zanskar needs major structural editing, especially in the format and english.

I"ll stop here. Anyway, I hope you understand my quick-cut comments, as I have a lot to do. Thanks a lot.

Tan 18:21, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

 * If you read the RfC, you'd have seen Smoddy say that we are extremely calm and patient with him. He's not.

 * Zanskar's English is okay. I dunno why he has to do this. JMBell° 11:13, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

You do not understand why. The article is just unacceptable. if I give a detail of the explaination, it will take a lot of time. So I want to edit first, then explain why. I am not vandalising at all!

Tan 23:22, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Things do not work this way, Tan, much as I'd regret to say. You only have limited power here. You must give a detail first before editing so that you won't be judged as a vandal. It's true - if the RfC has no effect on your behavior, we will have no choice except to request for arbitration. I really don't want to do this because then it will be on our record, so please listen to us. You only need to give a short explanation of your edits with a few details, and if we approve (I might), then you can go ahead. But not the other way round. JMBell° 15:30, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

That is exactly what I have proposed to do. What I'm wondering is: is it legal to "claim" a temp page as your own property and tell others not to edit it? My understanding of Wikipedian policies is that all articles can and may be edited by any user, even user pages that aren't their own. I just want to know if it's allowed to keep a temp page to yourself and then replace the whole of the original text with the /temp page and then ask others their opinion. If that's the case, shouldn't we be using a subuserpage instead of a temp page? Wondering, JMBell° 12:10, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Cricket
Well, if rules are available online or in printed format they would be a great thing to use to verify that the article is correct. Then check for any books on cricket. Try to use those to verify the facts in the article. Perhaps look for commentary from prominent observers of the sport. Is there some official compendium of statistics? That could be used as a reference for any that are cited, such as records, etc. Some of this should be available online and that would be great, but ideally both online and printed sources would be used. Hope that helps. - Taxman 13:03, May 12, 2005 (UTC)

Get Well soon
Dear Nicholas,

Hope it is nothing serious, get well soon --IMpbt 21:26, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Dear Nichalp,

I'm very sorry to hear that you are sick, and I'm here to wish you for a speedy recovery.

As for the hostile and hard-headed Mel, don't worry about me and him, I can manage to solve the dispute with him collaboratively.

Tan 22:44, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Hi. Hope you get better soon!  When you do, have a look at User:Smoddy/WikiReader Cricket on my suggested content for the cricket wikireader.  Cheers, Smoddy (Rabbit and pork) 16:22, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Hello, wishing you a speedy recovery! Thanks, too, for your opinions! Best regards - JMBell° 16:52, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Adding my concurrence with the views expressed above. Get well soon, jguk 17:22, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Take it easy, my friend. Hope you get well very soon. Take Care. -- PFHLai 19:41, 2005 May 14 (UTC)
 * I feel sad. Please take care. I wish you fast recovery. Please take rest, and donot worry much.--Bhadani 04:45, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Gracious - I didn't know you were poorly. Get well soon. -- ALoan (Talk) 11:20, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Desai speaks at last :)
Sorry, was extremely busy. Saw your message for help on Goa just now. Still busy with some work. Not sure if I'll be able to login often, so what I'll do is check this page. You could send me messages in here itself and I'll reply here. I had entered quite a bit in a lot of sections. What I'll tell you right now was, we had a problem with Lucio Mas abt a year back, he kept changing it to "Portuguese India", and we had to revert it back everytime. After a complaint to the mods, he got quiet, so I thought he got banned. I know FN, also know that he's sensible, and you can refer to what he says as fact. Wish you speedy recovery, just read that ur sick... --Desai 19:05, May 15, 2005 (UTC)

Welcome back !
Good to hear that you feeling better. Welcome back ! :-) -- PFHLai 06:41, 2005 May 17 (UTC)

 * I'm glad to hear that you're feeling better. May I ask what it was you were sick with? Best regards and welcome back! JMBell° 11:29, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Welcome back! utcursch | talk 11:35, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

Good to see you back. You may be interested to see WikiProject Cricket/Collaboration of the fortnight - if we can tempt you away from India articles for a bit:) All the best, jguk 12:05, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Nice to see you back :-) --IMpbt 13:35, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Very glad to see you back! Smoddy (Rabbit and pork) 16:51, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Nicolau
Your name in Portuguese ;). I think the info in would be enough. It is in the article. And it is possibly were Lúcio got his info about the subject in demographics. hugs. -Pedro 22:20, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Bengali interwiki
I can read Bengali, although I don't always understand what I'm reading, and not very good at typing Bengali (although I can write it well). Anyway, I took a look at bn:. Unfortunately, the article (&) seems to only consist of the text "ভারত", bhārat. It interwikis to the "India" articles on many different languages, including en:. There isn't any history (it was created earlier this year) and I couldn't find the article under any other name. Is it worth interwikiing to this "article" (which would qualify for speedy deletion here) or should I keep an eye on it until it is expanded? Linking now might influence someone to improve it. — Knowledge Seeker দ 06:03, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Cricket collaboration of the fortnight
The Ashes has been selected as the first cricket collaboration of the fortnight with four support votes. Let's all now make it up to featured status before the first Test. Kind regards, jguk 07:29, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Quotes from wikiquote to wikipedia
Hi! Your links from wikiquote to wikipedia are consistently incorrect -- en: is obselete, please use w:. If you wish to reply, I'm MosheZadka on wikiquote. 80.74.101.132 08:36, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for letting me know, :o ==

Maharashtra/temp
See the talk page for my edit, please. This also applies to Wee Kim Wee/temp.

Tan 00:54, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Did you know?
 Did you know has been updated and a fact from the article Kuttanad, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you have another interesting fact to submit, then please suggest it at the section's talk page.

Kannur
I have created Kannur article. Will you help the article to Featured article status sumal

Did you know?
 Did you know has been updated and a fact from the article Jinnah House, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you have another interesting fact to submit, then please suggest it at the section's talk page.

India in Inuktitut language
I made the stub, although I just transcribed the English name, I found no reference to India in Inuktitut anywhere. The stub is at ᐃᓐᑎᐊ. --Diderot 12:07, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Maharashtra/temp
Hi Nicholas, regarding the above, would it be a better idea to have this article on a user subpage? It's currently in the main namespace, yet seems to be your personal draft, and until recently had a do-not-edit notice on it. Is there a particular reason you don't want it on a user subpage? SlimVirgin (talk) 15:18, May 26, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks, Nichalp. I have alrwady seen your comments, and they really give me a sense of inspiration to me. I'm really sorry for all the trouble caused upon you with my "war" against Mel Etitis. I do not understand where I'm rude, but anyway I"ll give a try to improve my social adequate--got to settle my things first before I leave.

Tan 17:37, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

Indiya
Well, I think so. American languages are different so among them, but this pronunciation isn't hard enought. Eequor is iu: (inuktitut) administror and could maybe help you with it. Good luck! --Huhsunqu 21:18, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

Please stop!
Nichalp, PLEASE stop adding your pages to Wikipedias in languages you don't know!!

For many of these Wikipedias, the name of the country isn't even "India", and even then the article is of little help and might even be considered vandalism (what little content it does have, is in English)

Those you have already created I am going to ask for them to be deleted, unless somebody improves them in the meantime...

Node 05:35, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

 * I have modified the article about India on Javanese wikipedia. Personally I don't mind too much, I don't consider it as vandalism, at least on Javanese Wikipedia. Well Nichalp at least has tried his best to look at the content of other articles. Meursault2004 09:50, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi, yes, on the jv.wikipedia he did good. But on other Wikipedias he didn't even have text, just an image, or the text was in the total wrong language.

 * The languages he did this on (there are others): tpi: (fixed), chr:, sw: (fixed), ps:, km:, roa-rup:, sd:, cv:, nv: (deleted)... sd: was in Hindi, ps: was in Arabic.

I don't know Nichalp but it looks to me like you think other Wikipedias are just some joke. It's fine to add a page if it's in the native language but I am going to tell you again: do NOT add pages like you did in chr:, roa-rup:, etc with just 3 images and a small amount of text in English! Especially do not add long articles in the entire wrong language like you did on ps: (Arabic is a very different language from Pashto) and sd: (Sindhi is a different language from Hindi!). Articles like those types are not acceptable and it just makes more work for everybody to delete them. It's fine if you have somebody translate it for you (like you did with got:, mt:, etc...), go ahead and do that as much as you want, but the others were NOT acceptable. Do NOT continue to do that! --Node 20:08, 29 May 2005 (UTC) added mt:Indja .. Srl 18:11, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. Re: rather than nominating for deletion or deleting, turning into a stub article: For most of these languages, I can't do that and I don't know anybody who can. Others though I can try - Yiddish and Sardinian for example, I should be able to write a short article about India. I don't want to write just a sentence though, so do you think you could give me a paragraph (5-7 sentences) to translate with the basic information about India? --Node 00:39, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

India on Gothic Wikipedia
PS I did not find any online link where I could learn more about this language.
 * I don't know in which languages you are proficient, but a good resource about basis Gothic is [members.terracom.net/~dorothea/david/gothic/ Gothic Lessons], written in English. This site doesn't use the Gothic script, but a chart of the script can be found in my (Dutch) wikibook on learning Gothic, here (you don't need to know Dutch for the chart, it should be clear without the headers, but the first is the Gothic character, the second the name and the third the transcibed character in Latin script).
 * This should be enough to get started reading the Gothic articles.
 * About the Gothic article on India, the reason it didn't exsist, and is rather difficult to create, is that a lot of names weren't know by the Goths, who never had that much contact with peoples outside mainland Europe and scandinavia. Therefore, most names of places and languages have just been transcribed, or in case of the languages, turned into neologisms.
 * Anyway, thanks for the images, and feel free to try to enhance the article, in the Gothic wikipedia grammatical / spelling errors are not that problematic, since there are 0 native speakers of Gothic, and most people writing / reading there are students in the language (including myself, I learned it in my free time and I don't pretend to be professional or anything, I know moderately Gothic, and am working to improve myself and teach others) and make many mistakes, too.

Harðor 13:02, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes, it is perfectly possible and I think even presumable that the Goths might have heard of India, but I don't know how much information they had, and no Gothic writings concerning India has been found. And, because of the linguistic / ethnic relation between Germanic tribes and Indian peoples, it is even possible that legends far predating Alexandrian times have existed about "a land far to the south east". Unfortunately, nothing remains of it, and unless new manuscripts are to be found, we may never know for sure.
 * What do you mean with Cyrillic as a roman language? I always thought it was the name of a script used to write Slavic languages, which are not Romance, but a seperate but related (about just as close as Germanic is related to both) family.
 * The script used to write Gothic is the Wulfilan alphabet, named after the Visigothic bisshop whose writings are the only manuscripts to survive, and who is also considered the inventor of the script (he used it to translate the Bible in Gothic, and thus needed characters for sounds not found in Runes, which were also / previously used).
 * The script was inspired by Greek, Runic and Roman scripts, and is thus related to the Latin script used today. Many of the characters might be readable without practice.
 * The script is indeed not supported as standard Unicode, and is a bit difficult to activate in some operating systems. This is because the characters are located on Plane 1 of unicode, which contains among others archaic European scripts. Plane 1 is located after the "standard 16 bit Unicode" of 65535 characters, and needs 32 bits (two characters) to display one glyph. It is, however, part of Unicode.

Harðor

Chess
You can't play in the championship, at least not until/unless we have another one, but if you just want to play a game of chess there are people that will play you a game. If you want, I'll play you, just go to my user page and click the link there. -Sholtar | talk 19:07, May 29, 2005 (UTC)

 * To play, just edit the page and move a piece. -Sholtar | talk 20:39, May 29, 2005 (UTC)

 * I may have misunderstood what you meant... if you thought that I meant to play on the talk page, sorry. I meant click the link right under the link to my talk page.  The one that says "Play me a game of chess."  -Sholtar | talk 02:30, May 30, 2005 (UTC)

Date format change
May I ask why you are changing the date format? --Just my 2 cents -- Hemanshu 20:55, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Windows 2000
Thanks for helping with spelling errors. I'm always pretty bad with that sort of stuff. - Ta bu shi da yu 08:37, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

 * No probs, just ran it through my word processor. = Nichalp  ( Talk )= 09:51, May 30, 2005 (UTC)

India
Yes ഇന്ത്യ means India -Bijee 15:47, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

UK - Australia relations
I don't really know what you mean by "UK- Australia relations before 1882". There was no such place as "Australia" in a political sense before Federation. In 1882 Australia was five self-governing colonies and one crown colony (WA). The colonies did not have foreign relations and dealt with the British government through the Colonial Office. I'm not sure what connection this could have had to cricket. Adam 22:59, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

I don't think there was any hostility between Australians and British in the 1870s. The majority of Australians were British by birth and most of the rest regarded themselves as British by blood and by loyalties. Most Anglo-Australians were Empire loyalists, the only significant exception to this was the Irish minority. I don't think your thesis will hold water in this instance. In any case I've never seen any suggestion that sporting relations between Britain and the Australian colonies were anything other than friendly. Adam 12:36, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Re: User:Taxman's kid
I saw your comment on his talk page. I am quite certain that User:Taxman's child was created solely because of User:Taxman, as his only two edits were to request an account at the "User:Bank of Wikipedia" and to demand money from his "father" (see ). I asked that user to change his name; the next day I blocked it indefinitely. He then created User:Taxman's kid to protest my block. See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Advice on username block. I plan to block this second account as well unless the user can come up with some good reason. If you feel I am in error, please let me know or add to the discussion at WP:AN/I. Thanks! — Knowledge Seeker দ 09:10, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Green
I support your idea of trying a different green - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Babel#en-0 - Robin Patterson 23:20, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Non-English Wikipedias
Hi Nichalp,

The rules for translation only apply when there is an active community.

Generally, a page will be allowed to remain for a couple of weeks in the wrong language before being deleted.

However, in most of the Wikipedias in question, there is a 0-5% chance that the article would be translated in that time period, as there are few or no active users.

I'll work on the promised translations now.

Node 00:02, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ashes Image
Hi. Alas I didn't keep a copy of the image (which I did up in Paintshop Pro). I have copied it off the wikipedia and converted to png format as you suggested though (and changed the article).

I also posted it to commons. - Ian 05:47, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the explanation - that's filled in a few gaps for me. How do you categorise an image in the commons after uploading?.  Yes, can you deleet the dupliactes please. - Ian 08:00, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Maharashtra
Hello, Nichalp, nice to see you again (I may or may not be leaving).

I have noticed that all the contents have been shifted from Maharashtra/temp to the main article itself. Do you need such a hassle to go through several users before you can move the page independently? This is what happened to Wee Kim Wee.

Your comment will be greatly appreciated.

Tan 17:35, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hi
Hi and thanks for the welcome. I just look in now and then, but I am afraid to begin contributing seriously lest I get fully involved again:-) Lets see. BTW, its good to see that you have been very consistent, I think you are the only one from us early Indian wikipedians who is still active. KRS 15:21, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Re: Linux config
Hi Nichalp!

It sounds strange, huh? I think it's network based, to be honest. You're saying it's only going to mandrake-related sites... is it possible that these sites are actually stored in the system itself? Linuxbeak | Talk | Desk 15:25, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your support vote on my adminship, even though I have withdrawn candidacy. — Chameleon 19:10, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Geography of India

 * Hi, sure. I will try to do that today and on monday.--Bhadani 12:56, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi, some of the write up on the rivers of india (especially the classification) was pretty good and covers more ground. Anyway that can be accommodated into the present write up ?. --IMpbt 15:15, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * This was the geographical area based classification and listing of rivers (himalayan, peninsular, coastal, inland basin). This is the most prevelant classification I can find on the net (the references were in the html comments of that section). I think we could possibly spin this off into another article by itself.--IMpbt 17:30, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I think we are having a edit conflict, because we are both trying to save the article at the same time. I will stop for now, pick up during a period of inactivity.--IMpbt 19:53, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Singapore
Hi Nichalp,

I did some touchup on the Singapore article, and would like to invite to you review it before I send it for FAC again (which you previously objected to). Please do let me know how is it, and if any further improvement is needed. Looking forward to hearing from you. :)

- Best regards, Mailer Diablo 14:54, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi Nichalp,

 * Thanks for the feedback, I'll take a look into it. Hopefully I and my fellow editors will be to work hard enough to raise the article to FA standards. :)

 * -Cheers, Mailer Diablo 15:23, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Be bold :-)
If you think you can make it better, by all means don't let me get in the way! Thanks for asking first, though - Ta bu shi da yu 23:19, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Geography of India
Great effort on the article. I will copy edit the article in the next 2 days. I will also try to expand the linked articles from the article over this week and the next. kaal 05:41, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Same from me. Also will work on Indian Railways this weekend. -- 05:52, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)

My RFA
Hi Nichalp, thank you for your vote of confidence on my recent successful RFA, it was much appreciated. I will work to demonstrate that your trust was well-placed. And keep up the awesome work on the India-related articles, it really is a breath of fresh air from the otherwise eurocentric en wiki atmosphere! Fawcett5 19:36, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

You're welcome. = Nichalp ( Talk )= 19:40, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)

Aryan invasion theory
Hi Nichalp. I notice that you've removed the WP:FARC nomination for Aryan invasion theory. I would like to know why you did that even when a number of people have voted for it's removal? Also, you've not archived the nominations with a conclusion of either keep/remove. Am I missing something here? -- 09:23, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * If you remove the nominatins, please go the full way and add the appopriate notes to the articles talk page. Otherwise you may be wasting somebody's job, allowing bad article to stay and acting contrary to the FARC spirit. Also, Aryan invasion theory was nominated on 4th, you should not remove this one, especially considerign the amount of votes. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 09:46, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * OK, I see your point. Glad to have it resolved. I don't watch Talk on FARC, so I didn't see your motion, but I agree with it. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 10:58, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Even I saw your point completely only now. I've replied you in my talk page. -- Sundar 11:09, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

Signpost
Thanks for letting me know about the FARC story. I will say, however, that it would probably be better in the future to post any news story suggestions in the newsroom, since that will allow me to get the story in on Monday. I think most people read the signpost on Monday, and as a result, they'll never see the sections that are added on Wednesday. I'm not sure yet what's going to happen with this particular story -- personally, I'm in favor of taking it out of this week's edition and putting it in next week's. That way everyone sees it, albeit a bit late. If that's a problem, let me know. --Spangineer (háblame)  10:56, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'll include that bit of info. I probably would have looked up the discussion to find out on Saturday or Sunday when I write the article, but thanks, now that's not necessary. --Spangineer  (háblame)  19:42, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

Manual of Style: &nbsp
thanks for your comment - i didn't realise! I had made a few other alterations to the article, which got reverted too though - so I've put them back. UkPaolo 12:27, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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1919 in Norwegian football

Results from Norwegian football in the year 1919.

Class A of local association leagues
Class A of local association leagues (kretsserier) is the predecessor of a national league competition.

National team
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Tevita Vakalalabure

Ratu Tevita Vakalalabure (1927 – 6 May 2005) was a Fijian chief and politician.

Ratu Vakalalabure held the chiefly title of Vunivalu of Natewa, one of the three senior titles in Cakaudrove Province. He served as a Senator in the 1990s, becoming President of the Senate before winning the Cakaudrove West Fijian Communal Constituency in the House of Representatives in a byelection in 1996. He was also a member of the Great Council of Chiefs.

Vakalalabure was the father of eight children, including Ratu Rakuita Vakalalabure, who became Deputy Speaker of the House of Representatives in 2001, and subsequently served a prison sentence for his involvement in the 2000 Fijian coup d'état. Ratu Rakuita was released from prison to attend his father's funeral.

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Etchinghill, Kent

Etchinghill is a village in Kent, England, about 5 km north of Hythe, and 1 km north of the Channel Tunnel terminal at Cheriton, near Folkestone. It is in the civil parish of Lyminge.

The village has a standard golf course noted for its hills, as well as a pub restaurant called The Gatekeeper which claims to be the closest pub to the Channel Tunnel. Village facilities include a basketball court, two football goals, and a village hall. A large BT Group communication mast, which was used as a telecommunication relay during the Cold War, still stands in the village.

History
The hamlet of Etchinghill lies at the southern end of the Parish of Lyminge. Its original name was Tettinghelde 1240 (Tetta’s slope). A spring rises to the north side of Westfield Lane, (the road to Tolsford Hill) and the resultant stream flows across the fields to join up with the Nailbourne that rises in Well Field, Lyminge. This stream is known as the East Brook and probably in the Saxon period, when the settlement got its name of Tetinghelde, the volume of water would have been much greater. By the 15th century the hamlet’s name had altered to “Etynghyld” and “Etynghyll”.

It was later known as Eachendhill or Etchinghole before settling to become Etchinghill. For centuries the hamlet remained a small farming community around the crossroads, one of which led to Dover; one going south to Hythe and north to the village of Lyminge where the church is; the track up Westfield Lane over Tolsford Hill led people to West Hythe no doubt, but the importance of this waned as the coastline altered; and a final lane (now vanished) led to Newington.

Over the years the hamlet has grown with additional development on all four of the roads leading from the crossroads, the establishment of a cricket club and, more recently, the creation of a golf course spreading across the land which separates Etchinghill from Lyminge.

Railway
To the northeast of the village are the remains of the Elham Valley Railway, characterised by steep-sided cuttings and tunnels. The line which ran from Canterbury to the port of Folkestone, was closed in 1947 and dismantled between 1950 and 1954. The line is crossed by Teddars Leas Road (bridge) and Badger's Bridge as well as the Golf Course.

Although there was no station in Etchinghill, villagers could catch the train by travelling to the neighbouring village of Lyminge, approximately 2 miles to the north via road or one of the many public footpaths.

Boche Buster
During the war, Etchinghill was home to the Boche Buster, a large rail-mounted gun which could be retracted into one of the many tunnels to provide cover from aerial photography and German bombing raids, and which gained a certain notoriety owing to its large size (there were other large rail-mounted guns in service, but none of 18 inch bore).

The Elham Valley Railway was requisitioned during the war as a military railway. With a range of around 12 miles, the gun was designed to attack invading German forces whilst still in mid-channel. Some sources still claim that the Boche Buster had a range of over 30 miles and could fire across the channel into German-occupied France. This was not the case, although it shared a considerable amount of history with a set of 13.5 inch railway guns also stationed in Kent, which were capable of firing into German-occupied France. The gun's location and operation were considered secret, and it was initially transported to Kent disguised (by camouflage) as a banana freight train.

St Mary's Hospital
Until the early 1990s, the village was dominated by St Mary's Hospital. This was constructed in 1836 by the Elham Poor Law Union as the workhouse for the surrounding area, including the towns of Folkestone and Hythe. Prior to this each parish had relieved the poor the best way they could, usually by allowing them to remain in their own homes and giving them outdoor relief, although Elham and Newington each had a small local workhouse facility. In 1834 Parliament passed the Poor Law Amendment Act and suggested parishes might group together and provide cross-community facilities. This led to the foundation of the Elham Poor Law Union in 1835, and the building of the workhouse at Etchinghill in 1836 at a cost of £6,500.

Designed by architect Sir Francis Head, the workhouse was designed to accommodate 300 inmates. In 1841 an additional building had been erected to provide food and temporary accommodation to some of the many vagrants who wandered the countryside. Despite its large size, it was considerably extended in 1890, with the addition of new dormitory wards, an infirmary, and a chapel.

Following the closure of the workhouse in 1947, the buildings passed to the National Health Service, and were re-opened as St Mary's Hospital, specialising in geriatric care. There was also a hospital annexe providing isolation facilities for patients with highly infectious diseases. The hospital was helped by community volunteers who included hospital visitors (who befriended patients), the local St. John Ambulance (who provided qualified auxiliary nurses for routine nursing and bed making duties throughout the 1980s), and a very active League of Friends (who raised money to provide many additional comforts for the residents), active from 1962 until the hospital's closure.

St Mary’s hospital was closed in 1990 and all the buildings, with the exception of the un-consecrated chapel, were demolished. 52 houses now occupy approximately two thirds of the land, with a new village hall and amenity land for all to enjoy taking up the remainder of the land. The hospital chapel, the last remaining physical element, has been converted into a private house.

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Face the Truth (Stephen Malkmus album)

Face the Truth is the third solo album from Stephen Malkmus, released on May 23, 2005 in the UK and May 24, 2005 in the US.

Although not formally credited as a Jicks record, much like the earlier self-titled record, each member of the band is featured on at least one track of the album, and "& The Jicks" is written on the back of the sleeve.

Prior to its release, the album title was rumored to be Hamburger Serenade. Malkmus discounted those online rumors and said the album was always leaning toward the title it was given.

This album was chosen as one of Amazon.com's Top 100 Editor's Picks of 2005.

Track listing

 * 1) "Pencil Rot" – 4:08
 * 2) "It Kills" – 4:39
 * 3) "I've Hardly Been" – 2:56
 * 4) "Freeze the Saints" – 3:54
 * 5) "Loud Cloud Crowd" – 3:32
 * 6) "No More Shoes" – 8:00
 * 7) "Mama" – 3:11
 * 8) "Kindling for the Master" – 3:20
 * 9) "Post-Paint Boy" – 4:08
 * 10) "Baby C'mon" – 2:44
 * 11) "Malediction" – 2:50
 * Bonus tracks
 * 1) "Wow-Ass Jeans" - 3:13

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Frank H. Plant

Frank Henry Plant (November 17, 1883 – November 7, 1952) was a Canadian businessman and politician. Plant served as mayor of Ottawa from 1921 to 1923 and in 1930. He also served on Ottawa Council from 1917 until 1921 and from 1925 until 1930.

He was born in London, Ontario in 1883 and came to Ottawa with his family in 1900. Plant worked in various accounting jobs during his youth and later got into the investment business. In the 1924 directory, Plant was listed as president of W. H. Plant, Limited, carriage makers on Murray Street.

Plant was first elected in 1917 to Ottawa Council, winning again in 1918, and 1919 on the Board of Control. Plant defeated Joseph Kent by six votes in the 1921 mayoral election, confirmed by a margin of 22 votes in the recount. Plant won in 1922 by 5,000 votes and was acclaimed as mayor in the 1923 election. Plant lost the January 1924 mayoral election to Henry Watters. Plant returned to council as a controller in 1925. Plant remained a controller until 1930, when he was chosen as mayor. Plant left municipal politics in 1930 to run in federal politics, but was defeated in the 1930 federal election in the riding of Ottawa. As an alderman, he helped introduce the "two platoon" system for firefighters in the city. Before that, firefighters were on duty 24 hours per day every day.

Plant served as president of the Ottawa City Hockey League and the City Baseball League during the 1920s. Plant served as a member of the Ottawa Hydro Commission from 1936 until 1951. Plant also served as a director of the Ottawa Senators hockey team, a director of the Ottawa Nationals baseball team, vice-president of the Ottawa Amateur Athletic Association, president of the Ottawa Kennel Club and a long-time (over 20 years) director of the Central Canada Exhibition Association.

The Plant Bath, a recreational facility originally built in 1924, is named after him. The pool, along with Champagne Pool, was personally championed by Plant. A home of Plant's at 170 Clemow Avenue in Ottawa, is a designated heritage structure. It is used today as the High Commission of Cameroon.

Plant died at his home on Clemow Avenue on November 11, 1952. He had spent the previous day at a kennel club meeting and listened to a hockey game on the radio.

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Ust-Ilimsk

Ust-Ilimsk (Усть-Илимск) is a town in Irkutsk Oblast, Russia, located on the Angara River. Population:   53,000 (1977).

History
An ostrog (fortress) was built on the present site of the town in the 17th century; however, the modern town was not founded until 1966, during the construction of the Ust-Ilimsk Hydroelectric Power Station, which backs up both the Angara and the Ilim Rivers, and, incidentally, flooded the old town of Ilimsk, which was located further up the Ilim. The region was the site of one of the most notorious gulags of the 1930s ; tens of thousands died in the camp.

Town status was granted to it in 1973; the dam was completed in 1980.

Administrative and municipal status
Within the framework of administrative divisions, Ust-Ilimsk serves as the administrative center of Ust-Ilimsky District, even though it is not a part of it. As an administrative division, it is incorporated separately as the Town of Ust-Ilimsk —an administrative unit with the status equal to that of the districts. As a municipal division, the Town of Ust-Ilimsk is incorporated as Ust-Ilimsk Urban Okrug.

Climate
Ust-Ilimsk has a subarctic climate (Köppen Dfc) with warm, humid summers and severely cold, drier winters. The monthly 24-hour average temperature ranges from −23.1 °C in January to 17.7 °C. Precipitation is moderate and is somewhat higher in summer than at other times of the year. Sunshine is generous and the area receives 2,011 hours of bright sunshine annually.

Economy and infrastructure
Alongside the hydroelectric plant, a thermal power plant, sawmills and industries such as food production are employers in the town.

A 214 km branch railway connects Ust-Ilimsk to Khrebetovka on the Baikal-Amur Mainline. The town is also connected by road to Bratsk.

Ust-Ilimsk has a tram line, constructed by a local timber company to connect the city center with a nearby sawmill. Construction of the tramway began in 1982, with its opening in 1985. The line was later extended to a total length of 18 km. Traffic is coordinated to coincide with shift change times at the mill, as well as hourly runs outside these times. There are plans to extend the line to a new mill to the north of the town, as well as to the city railway station.

The Ust-Ilimsk Airport was closed in 2001.

Sports
Lesokhimik is a professional bandy club which played in the highest division of the Russian Bandy League between 2004 and 2008.

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Orchestral Manoeuvres In The Dark - Messages. Original UK 45 rpm single picture cover

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Phil Spencer (television personality)

Philip John Edward Spencer (born 11 December 1969) is an English media personality, television presenter and journalist, best known as the co-presenter of Channel 4 property show Location, Location, Location along with its spin-off Relocation, Relocation between 2004 and 2011 alongside Kirstie Allsopp.

Early life and education
Spencer grew up in Littlebourne, Kent. He was educated at Uppingham School, a co-educational independent school in the small market town of Uppingham, Rutland, in the Midlands, where he was Head Boy.

Business career
Having studied as a surveyor in the early 1990s, Spencer decided that there was a lack of professional support available for buyers, and set himself up as a home finder. He founded property search company Garrington Home Finders Ltd in 1996. He describes himself as not the first to see this opportunity, "but I was probably second or third, and Kirstie [Allsopp] was the fourth." The company entered into administration in early 2009.

Spencer remains an active property investor and landlord. He launched the website Move iQ in 2018 to support buyers and renters in the UK property market, and tenants in the UK.

Media career
In early 2010, Spencer partnered with co-host Kirstie Allsopp and launched a new independent production company called Raise the Roof with colleagues from IWC Media. Spencer is a director and shareholder.

Spencer has written three books. In April 2010, his book Adding Value to Your Home was published.

In 2013, Spencer hosted the daytime game show The Common Denominator, on Channel 4.

Personal life
Spencer lives in Hampshire with his Australian wife Fiona and their two sons. He is an Ambassador for SOS Children's Villages. He is also a patron of St Mungo's, a London homelessness charity, and a supporter of the Countryside Alliance.

In August 2014, Spencer was one of 200 public figures who were signatories to a letter to The Guardian opposing Scottish independence in the run-up to the 2014 referendum on that issue.

In August 2023, Spencer's parents were killed in a car accident in Kent.

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Ambassador-at-large

An ambassador-at-large is a diplomat, a secretary, or a minister of the highest rank who is accredited to represent a country and its people internationally.

Unlike an ambassador-in-residence, who is usually limited to a country or embassy, the ambassador-at-large is entrusted to operate in several usually neighboring countries, a region or sometimes hold a seat in an international organization like the United Nations and the other international organizations. In some cases, an ambassador-at-large may even be specifically assigned a role to advise and assist the state or a government in particular issues. Historically, presidents or prime ministers have designated special diplomatic envoys for specific assignments, primarily overseas but sometimes also within the country as an ambassador-at-large.

Honorific title
According to international protocol, ambassadors and ambassadors-at-large are officially styled and addressed as His/Her Excellency, or Mister/Madam Ambassador. The title may be abbreviated in official correspondence as H.E.

United States ambassadors-at-large
The US president appointed the first official who specifically bore the title of ambassador-at-large on 12 March 1949 under the authority vested in Article II, Section 2 of the US Constitution to deal with specific foreign policy issues, which have been frequently spelled out in their commissions.

Ambassador-at-large positions in the diplomatic corps of the US State Department include:

 * Coordinator for Counterterrorism
 * United States Ambassador-at-Large for Arctic Affairs
 * United States Ambassador-at-Large for Global Criminal Justice
 * United States Ambassador-at-Large for Global Women's Issues
 * United States Ambassador-at-Large for International Religious Freedom
 * United States Ambassador-at-Large to Monitor and Combat Trafficking in Persons
 * United States Global AIDS Coordinator

Asia

 * Princess Masna Bolkiah, Brunei's Ambassador-at-Large and Minister of Foreign Affairs and Trade
 * 🇮🇷 Mehdi Samii, Iranian ambassador-at-large for Economic affairs and Advisor to the Prime Minister for International Financing (1971–1973)
 * Lon Non, Ambassador-at-Large for the Khmer Republic
 * 🇧🇩 Mohammad Ziauddin, Ambassador-at-large of the Prime Minister of Bangladesh
 * 🇵🇰 Javed Malik, Pakistan's Ambassador-at-Large to the Persian gulf Region
 * Carlos P. Romulo, President of the United Nations General Assembly (1949–1950), Secretary/Minister of Foreign Affairs and Ambassador-at-Large under three Philippine Presidents: Elpidio Quirino (1950–1952), Diosdado Macapagal (1963–1964) and Ferdinand Marcos (1968–1984)
 * León María Guerrero III, Undersecretary for Foreign Affairs under Ramon Magsaysay (1953–1954) and Ambassador-at-Large under four Philippine Presidents: Ramon Magsaysay (1954–1957), Carlos P. Garcia (1957–1961), Diosdado Macapagal (1961–1965) and Ferdinand E. Marcos (1965–1980)
 * 🇸🇬 Chan Heng Chee, Ambassador-at-Large representing Singapore and former ambassador to the United States from 1996 to 2012
 * 🇸🇬 Tommy Koh, Ambassador-at-Large of Singapore
 * 🇸🇬 Ong Keng Yong, Ambassador-at-Large at the Ministry of Affairs, Singapore and former Secretary-General of Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN)
 * 🇸🇬 Gopinath Pillai, former Ambassador-at-Large of Singapore
 * 🇹🇼 Gene Loh, Ambassador-at-Large of the Republic of China (Taiwan) from 1997 to 2001
 * 🇹🇷 Ahmet Davutoğlu, Formerly Ambassador-at-Large of Turkey; he subsequently served as Foreign Minister and Prime Minister

Europe

 * 🇦🇲 Charles Aznavour, Franco-Armenian singer, Armenian Ambassador-at-Large to Switzerland, then to the United Nations Organization
 * 🇫🇮 Petri Salo, Finland's Roving Ambassador for the South Caucasus (Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia)
 * 🇬🇷 Stavros Lambrinidis, Ambassador-at-Large of Hellenic Republic, Vice President of the European Parliament and Minister for Foreign Affairs of Greece
 * 🇭🇺 Georg von Habsburg, Ambassador-at-Large of Hungary
 * 🇮🇪 Dame Nuala O'Loan, of Ireland. Roving Ambassador for Conflict Resolution and Special Envoy to Timor-Leste
 * 🇵🇱 Jaroslaw Pijarowski, Ambassador-at-Large of International Human Rights Organization for Poland

Africa

 * Nicolas Kazadi, Ambassador-at-Large for the Democratic Republic of the Congo
 * 🇰🇪 Amina Mohammed, Ambassador-at-large representing Kenya
 * 🇱🇸 Lineo Ntoane, Kingdom of Lesotho Ambassador-at-large
 * 🇧🇮 Princess Esther Kamatari, Ambassador-at-large representing Burundi

Americas

 * 🇧🇸 Chavano "Buddy" Hield, Ambassador-at-Large for The Bahamas
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Talk:Bar (music)

Confusing
"In musical notation, a bar line or measure is a segment of time defined as a given number of beats of a given duration."

This is the first line, and I don't understand it fully. Is the same meaning derived by typing: (?) "In musical notation, a bar or measure is a segment of time defined as a given number of beats in the segment of time."

If it means the same thing I prefer the latter, because it's more clear to me.Logictheo 07:00, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Please sign your posts on talk pages per Sign your posts on talk pages. Thanks! Hyacinth 07:26, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

"Hypermeasures must be larger than a notated bar, perceived as a unit, consist of a pattern of strong and weak beats, and along with adjacent hypermeasures, which must be of the same length, create a sense of hypermeter." Wow! What does that mean? Could someone clarify this? I'm not one of those jerks who brags about having two doctorate degrees... but I do and one of them is in music and I really, really don't know what this sentence is supposed to mean. Gingermint (talk) 06:59, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

word "preceded" has 2 meanings?
Since it seems it means both 1. Go before than, and 2. Has higher rank (with other words, has something extra), I'm replacing the word with the meaning behind each word. Comments welcome. Logictheo 09:06, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Awesome, noticed that too. 2001:8003:617A:7701:FD8B:95AC:276A:EFDC (talk) 09:50, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Repeat barline is not a barline
There is an article about this symbol, the title of which is [Repeat sign]. There, the expression "repeat barline" is not even mentioned. I suspect that this is not just an imperfection of that article. Indeed, theoretically the repeat sign should not be called a barline, because it consists of two barlines and two dots. See also modern musical symbols.

So, I suggest to delete the reference to "repeate barline" in this article, unless you have an authoritative reference proving that this improper terminology is accepted and used (as it often happens even in sciences). If you have such a reference, then I suggest to indicate this alternative terminology in the articles repeat sign and modern musical symbols as well, for the sake of consistency. Paolo.dL (talk) 19:08, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

 * If you can find a Wikipedia policy or guideline which suggests the removal of the term "repeat barline" for reason please do so. If you can find a source which denounces it as incorrect terminology please do so. Hyacinth (talk) 03:45, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Bar and measure
This is funny: "Measure (music)" redirects to "Bar (music)", but the latter article is mainly saying that "bar" is poor usage, "measure" is good usage. According to my New Grove (1980), English "bar" and American "measure" are equivalents, as are English "bar-line" and American "bar". Not to speak of the "twelve-bar blues". --91.32.134.232 (talk) 22:49, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

 * I agree, somewhat arbitrarily... I wonder what the reason is for our English bias? Seniority? =) So, I suppose we should transform this page a bit and rename it to Measure (music). Other input/opinions? --DJ Phazer talk 09:31, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

 * What? Why? No, ‘Bar (music)’ is a good name. As I said above, it is wrong to call ‘bar’ bad usage, ‘measure’ good usage; ‘bar’ is correct British English. We should remove the following sentence: ‘Although the words bar and measure are often used interchangeably the correct use of the word “bar” refers only to the vertical line itself, while the word “measure” refers to the music contained between bars.’ --91.32.132.189 (talk) 15:44, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

 * Changed. --91.32.161.2 (talk) 16:59, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Bar is the same as measure - measure can be used more professionally in some situations but bars is just as fine. This is a weird edit in the publishing. 2001:8003:617A:7701:FD8B:95AC:276A:EFDC (talk) 09:51, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

We should still cite sources. Hyacinth (talk) 21:59, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

I think that the distinction between bar and measure as British and American usages, respectively, is overemphasized in this article. I don't know about the UK, but in the U.S. the terms are used practically interchangeably. When the Andrews Sisters sang "Beat Me Daddy, Eight to the Bar" they certainly weren't referring to the bar lines but rather to measures. That was many decades ago; the usage has become ever more common since then. Steve Bob (talk) 14:09, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Just to let you know, and obviously this is subjective, but in England I've only heard bar, I only came across measure a few years ago when I bought an American music book.--94.0.110.108 (talk) 18:58, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Bar numbering
Seems like a lot of the first section is concerned with bar numbering rather than bars per se. (Also it's pretty prescriptive.) Maybe the discussion of numbering could be moved lower down, and the first section could talk more about how bars typically divide the sound into regular patterns of stressed beats. —Wahoofive (talk) 06:34, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Requested move: "Musical scale" → "Scale (music)"
I have initiated a formal RM action to move Musical scale to Scale (music). Contributions and comments would be very welcome; decisions of this kind could affect the choice of title for many music theory articles.

N oetica Tea? 00:10, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

 * This will help with consistency and understanding 2001:8003:617A:7701:FD8B:95AC:276A:EFDC (talk) 09:52, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Notational convention
Is a bar an aspect of audible music, or only a convention of notation? The current lede defines a bar as a segment of time defined by a given number of beats, but I would suggest that only notated music contains bars, which are demarcated by barlines. This in turn implies something about the meter of the music, but the word bar itself is only meaningful in notation, much like note values themselves. Agree? —Wahoofive (talk) 06:04, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The bar is a 2D-diagram of music, where the x coordinate is time and the y coordinate is sound frequency. You can fold the bar into a circle and use polygons to represent monophonic sounds like percussion . In the latter example, the ability to represent musical notes has been traded for the ability to represent polygons in a circle (instead of a series of bars on a line). The barrel organ, phonograph cylinder and compact disc are examples of 3D notational systems. Machine readability increases with every dimension, but human readability decreases. --83.137.6.237 (talk) 10:51, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Piano music in the 15th and 16th ???!!!???
We read at the section "History": The earliest barlines, used in piano and vihuela music in the 15th and 16th centuries... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.65.56.10 (talk) 18:12, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Replaced with "keyboard" —Wahoofive (talk) 19:46, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
 * nope 2001:8003:617A:7701:FD8B:95AC:276A:EFDC (talk) 09:51, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

A Manual of Modern Practice?
Is it wise to be using a source for distinctions of usage in modern English that was written almost 40 years ago (1979)? I don't have access to any more recent books with a similar purpose but I feel that, especially given that it was cited in regards to a distinction that could easily be outdated (whether the term bar and measure can be used interchangeably in American English) it might be wise to get a source from this millennium to weigh in on the issue.Snowblinded (talk) 00:45, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

barline spelling
In the article there are two spellings in use: barlines and bar lines. I don't care if it should be the British or the American spelling, but it should be spelled uniformly. --Rettinghaus (talk) 12:56, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

First illustration is misleading
The first image gives the impression that barlines are called "bars". It doesn't show that a bar contains notes and is about duration and rhythm. Instead, there should be a time signature and for example three bars of music, each bar in a different color, and the figure caption can explain that ("the first two notes are in the first bar (shown in blue), ..."). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.10.194.100 (talk) 01:09, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Intro
The introduction is unclear to me in terms of everything but visuals. "The bar line (or barline) is a vertical line written in the music which separates the bars."along with the illustration is clear enough, but how does one hear a bar? Kdammers (talk) 02:35, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * You can't hear a bar; it's strictly a notational device. —Wahoofive (talk) 01:14, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

New lede
I'd like to rewrite the lede, both to remove specialized topics (which might go lower down) and to steer away from the term "beats," since the relation between time signature and beat is not consistent (e.g. compound meter), while accommodating nonstandard usages, such as irregular unmetered bars, which occur both in early music and modern usage. Here's a proposed first sentence:

 * In musical notation, a bar (or measure) is a short passage of notated music bounded by vertical lines, known as bar lines (or barlines), usually indicating one or more recurring beats. The length of the bar, measured by the number of note values it contains, is normally indicated by the time signature.

This would replace most of the first two paragraphs. Obviously I'd add suitable links to related topics.

Comments welcome. —Wahoofive (talk) 23:06, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Basically I agree. The current first paragraph includes such gems as "each bar of staff symbols can be read and played as a batch", which is simply beyond meaningless. A couple of comments: in your phrasing, I do not think "passage" is the right word, since this normally refers to a (longer) mucisally coherent stretch of music. I think a more neutral word, like "section" would be better.
 * Secondly, I strongly disagree with the claim above that we should pretend that English and American are more or less the same. A properly written article in AmE could reasonably say, with proper sources, that it is incorrect to call a measure a "bar", while a properly written article in BrE could reasonably ignore the word "measure" entirely, as it is essentially never used. The current article has some rather silly claim about "international usage", whatever that is supposed to mean. A very simple table of the equivalences (including 'bar' and 'barline') would help. Imaginatorium (talk) 06:56, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments. I hope you can clarify for me what the situation is with British vs. American usage. This isn't really like "elevator" and "lift". As an American, I'd usually say "measure" but I hear plenty of people say "bar", and it wouldn't occur to me or any American to think that's "incorrect." Same with "barline." What is the usage in UK (or other Anglophone countries)? Since the article is titled "Bar," it seems like the British usage should predominate, but I don't think the difference is as clean-cut as "lorry" and "truck." More like "taxi" and "cab." I'm happy to be educated, though.

I don't think changing "passage" to "section" really solves the problem. "Fragment"? "Segment"? "Period"? —Wahoofive (talk) 16:40, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

By the way, none of Lorry, Elevator, or Taxi dwell on the regional usages; they just give the synonyms and go on. —Wahoofive (talk) 16:43, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Bar x line
The question is the value of x: space, hyphen, or null. I think the last ("barline") is preferable. Reference books to hand suggest: older British texts (first pub. 1940s and 1950s) use "bar-line"; Gardner Read (US) uses "barline", even in the middle of a misguided rant about how non-American terminology is wrong or unprofessional. The Dolmetch reference I just removed also uses "barline", as do most of the comments above. I think it is OK to list all three alternative spellings, but suggest using "barline" through the article. Imaginatorium (talk) 12:07, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

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Coat of arms of Switzerland

The coat of arms of the Swiss Confederation shows the same white-on-red cross as the flag of Switzerland, but on a heraldic shield instead of the square field.

The federal coat of arms (eidgenössisches Wappen) was defined by the Swiss Diet (Tagsatzung) in 1815, for the Restored Confederacy. A more elaborate federal seal was also defined, as the federal coat of arms surrounded by the twenty-two cantonal coats of arms. Similar heraldic arrangements representing the Thirteen Cantons of the Old Swiss Confederacy are on record from the mid-16th century.

The 1815 legislation remained in force in the federal state established in 1848, as was explicitly recognized by the Federal Council in 1889. While the simple coat of arms was in wide use, especially on coins, and from the early 20th century also on car number plates and passports, the full seal did not see official use beyond its representation in stained glass in the Federal Palace of Switzerland (c. 1900).

The 19th-century definition of the federal seal and coat of arms was replaced only in 2017, with the adoption of a new law which defined the Swiss coat of arms as "a Swiss cross in a triangular shield" with fixed proportions, but which no longer recognizes a federal seal.

Design
The 2017 law defines the "Swiss coat of arms" (German: Schweizerwappen) formally the "Coat of Arms of the Swiss Confederation" (Wappen der Schweizerischen Eidgenossenschaft, armoiries de la Confédération suisse consistent, stemma della Confederazione Svizzera) as "a Swiss cross in a triangular shield". The Swiss cross (Das Schweizerkreuz, la croix suisse, la croce svizzera) is defined as
 * "a white, upright, free-standing cross depicted against a red background, whose arms, which are all of equal size, are one-sixth longer than they are wide."

The shape of the "triangular shield" is defined by means of an image given in an annex to article 2. The color red to be used is specified in the same annex as:

The triangular shield has been in use by the federal administration since the first half of the 20th century. It is an unusual shape, based on the triangular or "heater" shaped shield of classical heraldry, but with a curved top.

Alternative shapes of the heraldic shield were also in frequent use, and still remain in use in spite of the 2017 legislation. A frequently seen shield shape is the "Iberian" or "curved" type, specifically used to mark Swiss embassies and border crossings, and also used on the five franks coin. Another frequently seen variant is a Renaissance-style articulated shield, shown as being held by the national personification Helvetia on the ½, 1 and 2 franks coins.

Old Confederacy

The Swiss cross originates as a field sign worn by the troops of the Old Swiss Confederacy. Use of the emblem is attested with certainty in the context of the Old Zürich War, for the year 1444, when the Tagsatzung defended itself against allegations that the troops of the Confederacy had deceptively used two different field signs (Heerzeichen). Aegidius Tschudi (Chronik II.390) cites a song containing this allegation, specifying that the Swiss were bearing "two kinds of crosses, white at the back and red in front" (Si trügend zweierlei Crützeren, [...] Hinden wiß und vornen rot) to deceive the Zürich side.

Heraldic representation of the Confederacy was by representations of the cantonal coats of arms. Petermann Etterlin on the title page of his Kronika of 1507 shows the coats of arms of the Thirteen Cantons (besides those of Chur, Valais and St. Gallen) surrounding the imperial coat of arms, reflecting the claim of the cantons of the Confederacy to imperial immediacy within the Holy Roman Empire.

The first known example where the cantonal coats of arms are shown as surrounding a Swiss cross representing the Confederacy is a medal commissioned by the Tagsatzung from Zürich goldsmith Hans Stampfer in 1547 as a gift for the French princess Claude. The obverse side of this medal shows the coats of arms of the Thirteen Cantons in their order of precedence, the reverse shows the coats of arms of the Associates, both groups surrounding a central cross with ornamental foliage. Similar representations are found throughout the early modern period, on commemorative medals and on regimental seals used by Swiss Guards in French service. The first mention of the Confederate Cross (Eidgenossen Crütz) shown in a shield (on pennies minted by Schwyz) dates to 1533.

Napoleonic period and Restored Confederacy
The Napoleonic Helvetic Republic adopted an official seal on 12 May 1798, showing William Tell and his son, holding the apple pierced by the crossbow bolt. This seal disappeared with the dissolution of the Helvetic Republic five years later. The Swiss Confederation established by Napoleon in 1803 adopted the seal, described as: "an armed Old Swiss, on whose shield shall be inscribed 'XIX. Kantone', surrounded by the inscription 'Schweizerische Eidgenossenschaft. 1803.'"

The Tagsatzung (Swiss Diet) re-introduced the white cross in the red field for the seal of the Confederacy in 1814. The commission for drafting a federal constitution on 16 May 1814 recommended the adoption of a seal of the Confederacy based on the "field sign of the old Swiss". On 4 July 1815, the Diet accepted the design of the commission, adopting it as the provisional seal and describing it as "in the center, the federal red shield with the white cross as common federal heraldic emblem, surrounded by a simple circular Gothic ornament, on the outside of which the inscription 'Schweizerische Eidgenossenschaft' with the year number MDCCCXV, and in an outer circle all XXII cantonal coat of arms in circular fields, according to their federal order of precedence; around all, a simple wreath".

Modern Switzerland
In November 1889, the Federal Council published a "communication regarding the federal coat of arms", detailing the history of the use of the Swiss cross since the 15th century.

Seals produced from 1815 onward, and cantonal coins minted from 1826 showed the arms of the cross in the 7:6 length to width ratio. Later in the 19th century, there was a trend of depicting the cross as composed of five equal squares. The two competing designs were controversially discussed in the late 19th century, especially after the introduction of the new design for the five franks coin, which showed the Swiss coat of arms in a Baroque-style heraldic shield. The Federal Council in 1889 introduced the 7:6 ratio as official. The associated communication explains that "our heraldic cross is not a mathematical figure, but at the same the Christian cross symbol and the field sign of the Old Confederacy". The 1889 law avoids specification of the shape of the shield, the omission being explained in the communication as deliberate, in order to avoid prejudicing the ongoing controversy, and in order to enable the shape of the shield to be  left to the "tastes of the current time and practical necessity". The legislation, passed on 12 December 1889 (SR 111), explicitly invokes the Tagsatzung decision of 1815 as retaining validity, with the only addition of specifying the proportions of the cross, the four arms having equal length, in a ratio to their width of 7:6.

In the 1850 series of the Swiss franc coins, the small denominations (1, 2, 5, 10 and 20 centimes) had a coat of arms with floral ornaments, while the larger denominations (½, 1, 2 and 5 francs) showed a seated Helvetia figure holding a triangular shield on which the Swiss cross was displayed within an oval shape. The coat of arms in the  denominations 5, 10 and 20 centimes was replaced by a female head (Liberty) in 1881. In the 1 and 2 centimes coins, the coat of arms was replaced by a simple Swiss cross in 1948. For the ½, 1, and 2 francs coins, the seated Helvetia was replaced by her standing figure in 1875. The 1888 five franks coin showed a coat of arms with a heraldic shield in a shape inspired by Baroque cartouche designs. The 1922 design of the five franks coin introduced a simplified shield of the rounded "Iberian" type.

The Model 1900/06 Parabellum pistol ("Swiss Luger") had a Swiss cross engraved on the top of the chamber. The Swiss cross was represented as "in splendor" in the batches produced during 1906–1908, and in a heraldic shield from 1909. The heraldic shield was of the "baroque" type, with an engrailed top, in the 1900/06 models produced from 1909–1914 by Deutsche Waffen- und Munitionsfabriken (DWM). The coat of arms is no longer present in the model 1900/06 batches produced by Waffenfabrik Bern during 1918–1933. The Swiss coat of arms is again present on the Model 1929 Parabellum pistol made by Waffenfabrik Bern during 1933–1947, now with a triangular shield. Ordnance pistols produced for the army, models SIG Sauer P210 (1949–1975) and SIG Sauer P220 (from 1975) continued to have the Swiss coat of arms with triangular shield engraved on the slide, rendered in simple outline (without hatching of the shield).

The representation of the Swiss coat of arms in a convex triangular shield representing the federal administration is a tradition introduced in the early 20th century. This special shield shape had no official force prior to the adoption as "logo" in 2005, but it came to be used de facto as emblem by the federal authorities from the 1930s, shown on Swiss passports during 1932–1984 (the passport of 1915 still showed a coat of arms with a  "French" style shield in a wreath on its first page). Early Swiss car registration plates, introduced in 1905, showed coats of arms with articulate "Baroque" shields.

Beginning in 1933, this design was replaced by simplified a shield shape of the "triangular" type with vertical sides, with slight design variations between cantons.

Use by the federal administration
The Federal Council in 2004 announced the introduction of a "corporate design" in the sense of a contemporary logo, to be used by all organs of the federal administration. Adoption by the Federal Council itself was announced for 2005, with adoption to be complete by all of the federal administration by the end of 2006, with a projected cost of CHF 25 million. The logo consists of the Swiss coat of arms in convex triangular shield alongside the name "Swiss Confederacy" in the four national languages in black Frutiger Light typeset. Provision is made for using white script and adding a white line surrounding the coat of arms in cases where the logo is printed on red or black backgrounds.

In keeping with the new logo, a new law was passed in 2017, known as Wappenschutzgesetz (WSchG, SR 232.21). This law replaces a 1931 law on the protection of federal, cantonal and foreign heraldic emblems. While the older law did not contain any specifications as to federal emblems, the new law specifies the "Swiss coat of arms" and the "Swiss flag", including two images in an annex, declared as authoritative in the text of the law, so that the federal "Swiss coat of arms" is now defined as a Swiss cross in a convex triangular shield. The 2017 law thus also renders obsolete the 1815 definition of the federal coat of arms and its 1889 confirmation, SR 111 being marked as abrogated per 1 January 2017. The image of the coat of arms shown in the document shows the hatching indicating heraldic tincture (red or gules indicated by vertical hatching) which has traditionally been used in black-and-white representations of the coat of arms throughout the 20th century. By contrast, the "corporate design" manual used by the federal administration specifies that no such hatching is to be shown in black-and-white representations of the logo, the red shield instead being shown in solid black. In spite of the more restrictive 2017 definition of the "Swiss coat of arms", other styles of heraldic shield remain in official use, specifically on coins and number plates.

A number of regulations passed along with the new flag law, also in force from 2017, restricted the commercial use of the Swiss cross. Dubbed the "Swissness regulation" (Swissness-Verordnung), these changes were originally proposed in 2006 by national councillor Jasmin Hutter and state councillor Anita Fetz, and eventually implemented in five separate regulations. Numerous exceptions were granted to companies who have historically used the Swiss cross, such as Swiss army knife producer Victorinox (uses the federal coat of arms as company logo since 1909).

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Talk:Spotted dove

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I have always grown up with these pigeons around me (Australia), but from observation, the female has a darker (almost like a dusty brown colour) and rounder head than the male. - Frances 8/6/05
 * I don't know. Is the Australian form is a different subspecies, or whether what you say is true throughout the range?jimfbleak 05:54, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Why?
Why is this page entitled "Spotted Dove"? I think it should be "Spotted Turtle Dove". All my bird books identify the species as that and offer "Spotted Dove" as an alternative name. Frances76 23:57, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

 * All the Indian bird guides refer to it as merely Spotted Dove. The idea of making common names such as Turtle Dove go along with genera like Streptopelia is a recent fashion. And strangely it is rarely followed for American and English birds such as the Robins, Redwings, Blackbirds etc even if they all belonged to Turdus. Shyamal 10:06, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Leave it as Spotted Dove - that's what it's called throughout its native range, and in Birds Of India - no need for the elitist addition. jimfbleak 15:31, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

What is the difference between White spotted and the Black Spotted Dove?

I believe that this is the species that is known in Hawaii as the Lace-Necked Dove. They are quite common on the island of Oahu and congregate in large numbers at bird feeders. (71.22.47.232 (talk) 18:02, 26 May 2010 (UTC))
 * Google agrees with you. Added.  howcheng  {chat} 18:53, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Anyone studying these?
A few summers ago I filmed a pair of these who were mating and feeding on my deck in New Zealand. They had some pre-mating rituals, like wing stretching and general preening. Both were attacked by cats while protecting their nest. The scars made them easier to identify. I also have footage of their first few days teaching their chicks to feed before they chased them off. And a couple of territory disputes. If anyone is studying them and is interested in the footage, please contact me and I will arrange to send it to them.

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Gallery
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