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User talk:Loom91/Archive 1

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Wait!
I'm not as new as you think. Only that I was too lazy to register an acount. I've extensive edits in multiple featured articles, have sucessfully campaigned for renaming and have many other minor edits. Please stop editing the JF page and let's have a discussion. Loom91 08:33, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the best place for a discussion is on the talk page of Jamaica Farewell. -- Hoary 08:58, 2005 May 31 (UTC)

Re: Modified Newtonian dynamics
Supported, looks good to me now that there are references. Phoenix2 21:13, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

Mohin
Hi, I just put up a lengthy article on Mohiner Ghoraguli. Info about the band is very difficult to find. If you can help with an album cover image, would really appreciate that. Thanks. --Peripatetic 17:07, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I do have that song, how do you want to get it? -- Peripatetic 17:41, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Just sent the song. Please let me know if you got it ok. --Peripatetic 18:00, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

hi
Hi, would like to know more about you.Ypu can find out me at Dwaipayanc

fractional calculus
You are way ahead of me. I was just beginning to study gradients and parametric surfaces when in was in 10th grade. I did some independent speculation about fractional derivatives, but it was before I further examined Gamma Function.

 * Lindberg G Williams Jr

Hi
No Probaly I do not know Aparna Gupta...Please elaborate...who she happens to be?and where are you from?

Dwaipayanc

Reply hi
yep I know you are from Kolkata.What I asked is where r u in Calcutta?anyway,molu,or,shish(thats really an uncommon name),I am in yahoo messenger as dwai_cha@yahoo.com. hope to see you there...whats your username? bye.another thing I have to ask.How do you add the time with signature in this page?I really do not know. Dwaipayanc

Style tips
Hi Loom91. Just some tips, based on this edit of yours. The link Sets should be instead sets, and the link Functions should be functions. That is to say, links should be lowercase, and for the function link, it should not point to function, rather, to function (mathematics). Thanks. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 21:01, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your tips. I actually knew that, but I was in a hurry so I forgot. Loom91 09:04, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Novels wlecome
Welcome to the Novels project, answers to you questions, with question. Could I encourage you to add the userbox to your user page theis advertises us and also automatically puts you in our members category. Thanks for joining, there is plenty to get working on. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page)  10:33, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Game theory welcome
HI Loom - Welcome to WikiProject Game theory. Any help you can provide would be great, so don't worry about your qualifications ;) Feel free to jump right into any projects. If there is anything I can help you with, feel free to let me know.  Again, welcome! --best, kevin [kzollman][talk] 00:26, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Jebus Christ Username Blockage
Hi Loom91. Thank you for the supportive words on my discussion page. You have prompted me to begin a petition to have this username reinstated. Would you be willing to sign your name to in the petition section of my discussion page? User talk:Jebus Christ. Thanks in advance Jimididit 02:37, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a million for your support in this. I appreciate it. Jimididit 00:02, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Just an update on my little crusade. I thought you might find it interesting to know that Secretlondon (admin and the person who requested the block) has, in some capacity, actively defended the mahomad images from vandalism. It seems that it's ok to offend other cultures but not hers. Jimididit 10:53, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Deleted edits
The deleted edits are edits made on pages which had been deleted latter. If you make an edit on a page and then this page will be deleted, then you will have a deleted edit. -nagytibi ! ? 13:38, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Censorship
Hi Loom91, I see you made some amendments to the policy page. Good luck with it. If you want to start a poll all you need to do is add a new section titled "Poll" with space for support and space for Oppose. I myself have given up on the idea and have started my own wiki instead. Gerard Foley 08:16, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Chandrabindu (band)
Images are thumbed so that readers can choose whether or not to see the large versions, and to make pages load more quickly (especially important for people on dial-up). Increasing the size of a thumbed image defeats the object. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 13:15, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

 * You will notice that a very large number of images in Wikipedia are not thumbed. Aesthetic considerations must be taken into account, and that image looks horribly ugly when thumbed. It is not Wikipedia policy or guideline to thumb images, we must select whatever looks better. Please keep the image in a size sufficiently large to look good. Loom91 15:17, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

 * That it looks "horribly ugly" is a matter of opinion (not mine); that it causes loading of the page to slow down is a matter of fact. You also keep reverting to the dubious claim about the fame of something that most readers won't have come across, and a piece in odd English about another band, which isn't obviously relevant in this article. --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 16:03, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

 * 1) Again, that the image causes the page to load more slowly when it's increased in size is a fact, not a a Wikipedia policy. That other articles have (often ridiculously) over-sized images is true, and they also need to be reduced.  I do it when I come across them, and there is rarely any complaint.
 * 2) The material about Mohiner Ghoraguli belongs in Bangla bands, not in this article.
 * 3) Concerning the use of "famous", you make the point perfectly; it's subjective (or, at least, culturally relative). It would make sense to tell the reader that it's famous among readers of Bengali literature, but not siomply to state that it's famous; those for who it is famous will know that alreasy, and those for whom it isn't will disagree. --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 08:22, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

So far we've compromised on the image size and agreed on "famous". Just two to go, one of which isn't mentioned above.
 * 1) As explained at Use subheadings sparingly, subheadings should be used... well, sparingly. You're trying to introdcue an unnecessary subheading that creates a two-sentence, line-and-a-third section.  Why?
 * 2) The text that you keep trying to introduce is: "Though the title of first Bangla Band in epar Bangla(West Bengal in India) is usually given to Mohiner Ghoraguli, they came long before the popularisation of Bangla Bands, lone rangers in a hostile enviorment." This is both irrelevant to Chandrabindu and poorly written and presented.  Leaving aside the spelling and spacing, the "lone rangers" stuff is purplish and unencyclopædic.  The main problem, though, is the irrelevance; it's relevant to the kind of music, not this specific band. --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 15:07, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi
It seems you are the one who let me know about the Hare School article in my talk page. The article is great. However, I stubbed it for a reason. Let it remain as a stub for some days, may be a month (unless, of course, you add a lot of information meanwhile). In stub condition, often more Wikipedians are attracted to improve the article! BTW, please feel free to improve Kolkata and also add Kolkata related articles. Thanks.--Dwaipayanc 13:39, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi! Again technical mix-up. This time you are sufferer. Please re-edit. Seems we are working simultaneously! Bye.--Dwaipayanc 13:54, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Why don't you add a school infobox in Hare School, as in Barasat Peary Charan Sarkar Government High School ? The Saraswati Puja photo has to be shifted somewhere down in that case. Bye !--Dwaipayanc 16:06, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for moving Kolkata to the Good Articles list. Bye.--Dwaipayanc 14:05, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:Censorship
Glad to do it! I have now voiced my opinion.Brian1979 13:26, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

 * FYI, I voted in the poll like you asked. I voted Support in the poll, But oppose is still winning. The Republican 22:09, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for calling the censorship poll to my attention. Just to be absolutely sure, we are now voting on the 2nd poll, the first one has been abandoned right? I'm just asking because a lot of people seem to still be voting on the original proposal. - Serodio 14:59, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

 * We are now voting on the second poll, it is an unfortunate misunderstanding that people are still voting in the first poll. It's my fault actually, I should have been more specific in my messages. WOuld you (or someone else) mind leaving these users a short note on their talk page notifying them of their mistake and pointing to the second poll. Because of these "wrong" votes, we are potentially getting a skewed idea of consensus here. Thank you.Loom91 18:09, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Spamming user talk page - censorship
Stop spamming user talk pages with this censorship stuff. You get blocked for disruption.--Commander Keane 13:35, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Your 'proposal' that Wikipedia allow sexual depiction of minors if obviously impractical, since doing so will allow Wikipedia to be prosecuted in the US and closed down. Please think a little. DJ Clayworth 17:20, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm not spamming user pages and the policy explicitly forbids anything against US law, so both of these claims are baseless. I've not violated any Wikipedia policies, so I do not see how I can get blocked. Loom91 17:46, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree, I seemed to have misunderstood the poll. -- Orbit One    [ Talk 03:44, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Blocked - disruption
You have been blocked for 24 hours for disruption - the spamming of user talk pages. I also left a note at WP:ANI so other admins can review the block. Sending out hundreds of unsolicited talk page messages to users is disruptive to Wikipedia, do not continue.--Commander Keane 12:10, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * You should have warned him first. Maybe he was not even aware of the rule. This is uncivil. ROGNNTUDJUU! 12:53, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes a warning should have been issued first. I for one am very thankful of the message this user left me concerning the Wikipedia_talk:Censorship discussion. - Serodio 15:03, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Feel free to look a teeny bit up the talk page -- you might noticed that he was, in fact, warned. .:.Jareth.:. babelfish 16:57, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

 * I have not violated any WIkipedia policy or even guideline. In fact my actions are permited by the Wikipedia policy on Spamming (see under subjeading Internal Spaming). Keane has blocked me for his personal reasons and not from the blocking policy. I believe it was a good faith mistake on the par of Keane and he assumed policies which were not actualy there, but it seems nobody is taking the trouble to unblock me. I've already emailed Keane and the mailing list, I'm losing valuable time here unable to edit Wikipedia. If someone else thinks I did not do anything wrong, would that person please unblock me/request an admin to unblock me? Thank you. Loom91 17:26, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Please see this discussion for the reasons you have not been unblocked. You were blocked for disruption. .:.Jareth.:. babelfish 17:37, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

 * That discussion also seems to indicate that some editors think the block is unwarranted and I was not commiting any disruption. Wikipedia policies and a sense of what is best for the encyclopaedia allow me to do this (see below) and nothing prohibits me except the personal taste of some sysops. Loom91 18:05, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Why I should be unblocked
I've already sent this to Keane and the mailing list, I'm saying it again here.

What really happened was that a poll on the proposed policy Wikipedia:Censorship is ongoing and I wanted to inform potentially interested users abut this, so I posted a short and polite message on their talk page requesting them to review the policy and make their opinions known (I did not ask them to vote for any particular side). Some users read this and voted (on both sides of the debate) and some even thanked me for bringing this matter to their attention. Not ll have the technical know-how, time or adventure necessary to keep track of such things.

In response, I was blocked by Commander Keane with only a very brief and informal warning with no mention of administrative authority that I had disregarded as routine pseudo-vandalism. Below, I detail why in my opinion the block was a mistake.

1)A user can only be blocked according to the Blocking policy. In this case the section of the policy cited was Disruption, but Disruption includes no mention whatsoever of posting legitimate comments on talk pages. Loom91 18:02, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

2)The policy Spam clearly shows that such postings are to be tolerated as long certain conditions are fulfilled, and all of these conditions were fulfilled in my case. It says

"Clean up your mess. For example, after engaging in cross-posting to promote some election, be sure to remove those cross-posts after the election is complete. Be open. Don't make cross-posts that initially appear to be individual messages. Be polite. Wikiquette issues are extra-important when a message is likely to be read by many people. Less redundancy. Rather than copying the same five page essay to twenty talk pages, write it once, in the place where it is most relevant, and then link to it. Don't use a bot. If you're not willing to spend the time personally sending the messages, don't force us to spend the time reading it (or throwing it away)."

3)I was not vote-stuffing. Disruption is "disrupting the normal functioning of Wikipedia". By involving a larger number of WIkipedia contributors in the discussion, I was facilitating better functioning of Wikipedia. You will notice that the the people I invited have voted on both sides and I also invited many who voted Oppose in the previous poll simply because they may be interested in the new poll.

Many editors have thanked me for bringing this matter to their attention as they are interested in making their opinions known and would not have found out otherwise. My message also (unlike some other instances) invited the editor to voice their opinion, not vote on a particular side. They were very polite and short requests that would annoy no one.

A high turnout at a vote is always regarded as a positive thing and makes for better consensus. Considering all, I hope you will agree that the block was not warranted and I should be unblocked and allowed to resume my work. I've worked at this project for a long time now and added a lot of content. I love the concept of an encyclopedia anyone can edit and it is a passion of mine. It grieves me to witness such misunderstandings and not be able to contribute to the project. Please set me free! Thank you. Loom91 18:20, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I was sent a message by Loom91 and I'd like to thank him for doing so. In my humble opinion he should be un-banned. It should also be noted that I did not vote in accordance with Loom91. --Nicholas 21:58, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia_Talk:Censorship
It's a pity you're banned (HAHA! you got banned :-p). Aside from that, I thank you for correcting me on my stance. By the way, I do hope the proposal passes, but it looks shaky right now (50-50, i.e. no consensus).--Frenchman113 19:08, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

More on spamming
Wikipedia is a great place with lots of great people. When someone gives you a warning on your talk page, it's best to assume good faith and heed that warning - or at least consider it. If you thought my warning was vandalism, a short trip to my user page or Special:Listusers would have shown you otherwise.

You need to understand that Wikipedia is not a democracy, and that consensus doesn't need to have every/lots of Wikipedians involved to be established. Also, Wikipedia isn't a society where we spend our time writing rules and rules-lawyering - I don't need a law set in stone to block you for disruption. I made a judgement and acted. Many admins reviewed the block at WP:ANI and yet the block still stands - this must tell you something: spamming is not acceptable. There are other ways to draw attention to something - try a note at the Village pump, or maybe the Community Portal.

Spamming is disruptive, and if you continue will result in blocking without further warning. Many admins agree with this.

If you agree never to spam again I am more than happy to lift the block immedietely - just mention it here (I will be watching this page).--Commander Keane 07:59, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

 * I did not spam anyone, as you can see that many people were actually benefited by my messages instead of being annoyed. I will never spam anyone, but if you consider my previous actions to be spamming I can not agree to not repeat them. Loom91 09:27, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm not here to argue about the definition of spam or disruption, but out of curiosity, how did you select the people to send messages to?--Commander Keane 11:01, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

 * When I noticed the message to me, I immediately thought about my userboxes. One automatically puts me into Category:Wikipedians_against_censorship.  I looked at your contributions, and looked at that category, and when I noticed the overlap on the first couple ones, decided not to contribute.  I looked at the page I was being directed to, and it has some stuff that sounds like voting, so I'm going to stay out of it for fear of this being a form of vote stacking.  I suspect Commander Keane may have noticed this same pattern, and that's probably why they are asking you.  I -am- interested in censorship topics, and this message would have been appreciated if you had said why you picked to message me instead of somebody else.  But without telling me, I have to guess that you just were messaging everyone in Category:Wikipedians_against_censorship.  --Atari2600tim (talk • contribs) 09:31, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

A number of people (including me) attested to the fact that the messages weren't unwanted, and disputed the claim of disruption and the application of an editing block. I think that, at the very least, this should be discussed (perhaps at Wikipedia talk:Blocking policy before another block is imposed. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 11:07, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

 * I'll add my name to the list of people who appreciated the message. Two more points: first, this is a discussion we should have had before Loom91 was blocked, not after (yes, I know he was warned, but it would have been constructive if the blocking parties had tried to find anyone who felt their user page was disrupted). Second, the block happened within a day of Sam Korn's RfC being deleted by Phil Welsh, over a technicality. The RfC was based on Sam Korn's action deleting an image, a move that already violated policies on consensus, and would easily fall under the proposed Censorship policy, on which a vote was being held (the reason for the talk page messages in the first place). If nothing else these two events together created a bad... I dunno... aura. :-/ -AK7 13:01, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Aye, agreed.--Frenchman113 18:54, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Yup - Serodio 23:49, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

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What the NOR debate is about
Slimvirgin changed policy by unilaterally rewording two parts of NOR to fit a definition favorable to a debate she was engaged in with another user. I objected to this definition as it existed because it could be abused by editors in and endless game of catch-you which would lead to endless debates and edit wars over synthesis. I then modified her contribution to try to bring balance and asked the community there to engage in a consensus forming poll or collaboration to ferret out our two versions to: form a compromise version, keep her version, keep my version, or to keep the original. Whatever consensus said would remain. Instead of civil discourse, this user resorted to name calling, accusations of a persons edit number, an elitist attitude towards new editors etc. etc. It all can be read...this lead to a revert war, where I went overboard to try to protect the original version before any changes..until consensus could be reached as the page itself says that consensus is needed for any changes of substance. I was blocked for this, an Arbcom member unblocked me when I expressed the sentiments above to him and the desire to revert no more as it is not useful even though I was trying to uphold policy and that I gave him my word on this, which I keep my word. While I was blocked the same said editor then decided to debate my version by distorting it. I could not respond. Even though the before said Arbcom member unblocked me, I still have not responded on my word to him. Not to get to lengthy...Thats it in a nutshell. There is no consensus for change, the original version should stay until consensus is reached, and civil debate or polling should commence to ferret out differences. So far this has not happened. Best wishes - --Northmeister 06:35, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

 * You officially recommended that I start a RFC or RFA. How do I do this in order to conclude the debate officially on NOR for all intent and purposes? --Northmeister 02:23, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

photo details
Hello Loom91. I used a Canon 20D with a 108mm macro lens, and a 1/4s exposure to take the picture. Glad you liked it. Debivort 19:31, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

DNA Resequencer
Hi, I haven't talked to you on WP before, but I saw that you storngly supported the FAC for Stargate (device). Two days ago I nominated DNA Resequencer for FA but everyone hated the nomination so i withdrew it. Now, two days later, I have made massive imporvements to the article. I would like to ask if you think it's ready to go on FAC. Thanks. Tobyk777 00:51, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup
If you're serious about finding a new arrangement for your userboxes, I suggest you look at the Boxes section on my userpage. You can steal it if you want, and fiddle with the colour parameters if red isn't quite your style.Kelisi 00:03, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Goofs
You've never heard of Goofs!? HAHAHA -- That cracks me up! Ewlyahoocom 10:20, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

IP addresses
I don't know, I'm afraid. You could try WP:AN, or Village pump (technical). --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 18:27, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: A technical request for information
You asked at the Village Pump whether there was a tool to find out what IP addresses in a range have made contributions. There isn't that I know of, but it's easy enough to do for such a small range with some local scripting. So, as I wrote there, I wrote and ran the script and here's the output:

 * 61.95.147.6 (talk • contribs • [ page moves] • block user • [ block log])
 * 61.95.147.26 (talk • contribs • [ page moves] • block user • [ block log])
 * 61.95.147.50 (talk • contribs • [ page moves] • block user • [ block log])
 * 61.95.147.54 (talk • contribs • [ page moves] • block user • [ block log])
 * 61.95.147.70 (talk • contribs • [ page moves] • block user • [ block log])
 * 61.95.147.75 (talk • contribs • [ page moves] • block user • [ block log])

I can't make any absolute claims about accuracy since there very well might have been a bug in the script, but it's something. Cheers! — Saxifrage ✎ 21:54, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Circumcision Userbox
You may find a userfied version of the deleted box in my user space at User:Tomyumgoong/ubx/nocirc, feel free to subst or transclude it if you wish. Tomyumgoong 07:12, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi
hello fellow wikipedian...just displaying cordial greetings...well yes, i have a little problem. How does one go about writing in Bengali in the Bengali Wikipedia. Your help would be much appreciated in this matter. Thank you.

BengalRenaissanceEccentrica 00:57, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

 * amar boyosh 16. Ami Santiniketan e Patha Bhavan e portam. Ekhon grade 11 e Toronto, Canada e pori. Apni/Tumi/Tui(please pick) kon classe poren/poro/poris? kon school? Ami Canada e babar songe thaaki. Aachcha, East Calcutta Wetlands niye ekta article kora jaye na? aar bangali user ther jonno ekta board thaka dorkar! ami International Baccalaurerate pori. Kolkata te school ekta khulbe ei program niye. Pailan school mone hoi. Amar kolkatar notun generation niye boroi chinta. Ami kina gramer manush. ei dhoro fossils aar cactus, babba ki shaaj! Amar rock gaaner kono apotti nei. Ami nijei guitar bajayi. kintu amar mone hoi na ei shob bangali torun toruni jara nijeder ke khoob rocker bhabe, shotti kore rock philosphy ba history jaane. ottonto dukkher kotha. Eder ke shikkhito kora chai. lol. nijer kotha bolte giye opinion niye kothaye chole gelam!

BengalRenaissanceEccentrica 03:37, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

 * I pick tui :) Amio tor grade, Hare School. Ki ki subject niechhis? Article to onek kichhu niei kora jar, what one needs is time and effort. It's not easy getting information on the East Calcutta Wet Lands. It's even more dificult finding reputable sources for that information. Ei to recently South City wetlands-er opor bari banachhilo bole court-e onek jhamela holo. Kichhu labh hobe na, ei somosto big budget project sobai politically backed, ja korar thiki korbe.

 * Have you ever listened to Fossils (band)? Except a few songs, the lyrics are outright ridiculous. Their lyricist once said that their lyrics were based on introspection. A very strange sort of introspection it must be, for usually the lines don't have any meaning. I'm not talking about any inner meaning or message, the sentences simply don't mean anything! Fossils have produced only two songs of some quality. Cactus otota kharap noi, but good quality songs sei hate gona koekti. Aar jokhon stage gae tokhon to dekhlei hasi pae :D Amar favorite bangla band Chandrabindu (band). Lyrics gulo darun mojar lekhe Chandril. Tor favorite musician/musical group ki?

 * The active Bangla population is growing in Wikipedia. How about opening a WikiProject Bangla? One of the energetic folk like Dwaipyanak or Ragib may do it with some encouragement:) Loom91 05:33, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Hi! Sorry that I am intervening! Please go on with an article on East Calcutta Wetlands. In fact, I had some mention of it in Kolkata, but had to remove on certain grounds. (eg most of them have been converted to gheri or bheri, the fishing farms. So by truest definition, they are not probably wetlands! At least, not wild wetlands. This was ponted out by in peer review, and I had to agree and modify. Also, the ever increasing size of the article was a concern.)
 * AFAIK, an International Baccalaurerate school is there in Kolkata, not sure if it's in Poilan.
 * Bengali user board is a great idea. You can develope a West Bengal portal, from where there will be links to articles as well as boards. See Portal:Kerala for guidance. Please also see Portal:India and Portal:Bangladesh. In fact, you can consult with users from Bangladesh, if you are intersted in creating a common Bengali board. and  are very active users from Bangladesh, besides many more.
 * I share with you the comment that if at all the majority of people understand rock philosphy and history here in WB.
 * A request: try to restrict your comments/messages in English. Other non-Bengali users can also read your talks, and communicate. Bye.--Dwaipayanc 05:48, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

 * As requested by Dwaipayanc, I shall try to limit my overly long ramblings in Bengali as much as I can. lol. I am taking Higher level English, Math and Chemistry and Standard Level Geography, French and Physics. I am quite angered by the way the West Bengal government deals with the environment. and they call themselves communist when they allow all these retarded shenanigans going on that help retards make money off of the environment and other people. i.e. Sonar Tori, Santiniketan. I can't stand how people are all happy and dandy about rich retards taking over the very very rare khoai. I do not deal with these things with a kind heart...

 * Anyways, to a lighter topic. The only bangla bands that I truly like are Bhumi and Mohiner Ghoraguli. Others I look at with extreme criticism....this is just my opinion, but i think that a lot of these Bengali rockers are posers. And Fossils are the posterboys for Bengali posers. Musicians that I really love are Led Zeppelin, Janis Joplin, The Doors, Queen, AC/DC, Soundgarden, Nirvana, Queens of the Stone Age, Audioslave, The White Stripes, The Strokes and System of A Down. I also starting to really like Magneta Lane. When I tell these to other people in India, they are surprised and they are like "err...aren't you from Santiniketan? How did this come about?" And in Canada, people are wierded out because according to stereotypes Indians don't like rock music. I am still however a huge fan of Indian music. I learned Hindustani Vocal Classical Music since I was six. I am a hardcore bhatiali and baul music fan. I am from Santiniketan after all: a child of the red earth. And I am obsessive over Bengali literature and often times I have many interesting interpretations of works that have not been studied very much on a critical, analytical and academic level. For example, I find so much social commentary on Sukumar Roy's work. And in Rabindranath Tagore's work too, I find a sort of Gothic tone, and sometimes misanthropic principles and philosophies, as well as rejection of traditions and society sort of ideas, which I of course rejoice. Yes. I am what Bengalis would call an "antel" oh and can I be in Wikiproject Bengal?BengalRenaissanceEccentrica 21:29, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

 * I don't see what lack of concern for the enviorment has to do with being a communist. Marx was not known to be an enviormentalist :) They are not communists, but the reasons have nothing to do with how they treat the enviorment. I'm also a most eminente and most noblest antel :D Thakur's work is of course very philosophical, but I never felt the same way about Sukumar Roy. I find him to be a brilliant writer (HaJaBaRaLa and Chalachittochanchari are probably my favorites), but not full of a critical take on the social dogmas like Lewis Carol. What sort of commentary did you find in his work?

 * I have to comment on something, I haven't ever heard of most of the groups you named. But I listen to English music a lot (I'm in fact musically tri-lingual). Vocal classical, huh? I can do that too. Let's see, aaah, aaaaaah... Umm, why are those dogs barking?

 * Your subject combination is not uncommon here. You have replaced the fourth subject from the Pure Science quartret (Physics, Chemistry, Math, Bilogy/Statistics) with Geography and Bangla with French. We may have a few of those Geography-in-science in our school too. I'll be taking Physics, Chemistry, Math and Stat. I don't want to have anything to do with Steel Industries of Jharkhand and Coffee belts of south India again! It's only been 1 month 3 weeks since the Madhyamik ended and I'm already studying more in a week than I did before the Madhyamik :(

 * Hey, look at this, I don't even know your name! Quel est votre nom, Mademoiselle?Loom91 06:16, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Also, I find that the Bangla project had previously been created at WikiProject Bengal but has become inactive due to the lack of participants. Loom91 11:42, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

 * In this post, I shall address each of what you said one by one. lol. Marx wasn't an environmentalist. true. what i meant was that the WB government has started to do things for solely for the sake of money. For example, truely what kind of people would get a benefit out of something like sonar tori. The rich of course! Oh how i wish those buildings just evaporate into thin air! As for Sukumar Ray, since I have lots to say, and believe me, lots, what ill do is on my free time ill find a list of social commentaries and write an essay on it and then ill put it up somewhere. Have you read "Shrishrishobdokolpadroom" and "Chalochitto Chanchori"? Both deal with the problem of knowledge and scholasticism and the fight between different schools of thought...with a satirical tone of course, but that is the aspect that makes it a social commentary. I understand why you dont know most of the groups I named. A lot of them are indie bands for Canada, US and UK. I dont know why you dont get them in india. I would guess its probably because most people like pop and hip-hop better. But these bands are really really great and I suggest you check them out. Other than my vocal classical skills, did you know that i can precisely imitate goats? oh yes. Its one of my well-hidden gifts. Sometimes, when I am in Santiniketan, I start doing it and all the stray goats in the neighbourhood/village congregate around my house and join me in unison. If you are ever to visit Santiniketan and see such event, you can now be sure it is only me. As for my uncommon combination of subjects, it is due to the way the International Baccalaureate Diploma program is structured. Each candidate must take at least one subject from the six subject areas (First Language, Second Language, Social Sciences, Experimental Sciences, Mathematics, and Arts) or he or she can take an additional social science or experimental science instead of an art. So that is why I have two sciences (Physics and Chemistry), a first language (english, although in reality my first language is bangla), a second language (french), a social science (geography), and mathematics. Basically in the IB program, even if you were going into the humanities, you would still have to take math and at least one science. The philosophy is to make a well-rounded person. Anyways. I enjoy geography too. It's just so much fun learning about how Ethiopian farmers starve to death while, north americans die of eating too much. the IB geography course in the standard level focuses more on the demographic and economic aspects so i dont have to really memorize paths of rivers and stremas. I truly enjoy it. English and French are awesome as well. I love existentialism. And in the math curriculum, we do calculus, statistics as well as geometry and algebra. So more or less, you and I are studying the same things. I LOVE math. anyways...as for my name, I am Aadita Chaudhury. Aadita means "shrishtir prothom" in Sanskrit. I am equivalent to the Biblican Eve or Lilith, whichever you prefer. I personally like Lilith better. anyways. Do you come on yahoo or msn messenger? you can add me at chaudhury_aadita@yahoo.ca...i also have an msn..but i wont say it here for the world to see. lol. Bye BengalRenaissanceEccentrica 23:07, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Chalochittochanchari is my favorite Ray after HaJaBaRaLa. Remember Naxvomica-30? :D I have both a Yahoo! and a MSN ID, but I don't have nearly enough time to be actually active on those. After the studies, I barely find enough time to do daily maintenance tasks on the net. I'm severely alarming myself with the amount I'm studying, and I'm trying to motivate myself to put in a few more hours daily to cope with the pressure of preparing for IIT-JEE. I'm told that students start preparing for it from class 7, how horrible! Of my current teachers, only the Physics teacher seems to teach at the level of IIT-JEE, and that's a cause of concern. I'm particularly worried about my chemistry teacher, who knows a lot about chemistry (he's doing research on Inorganic Reaction Mechanism in JU) but seems to have a low faith in the abilities of his students and has set his standards very low. Anyway, I've rambled a lot about my studies. Do you know, I'm credited as the camera assistant in a Bangla Existensialist movie *gloat* :) Do you ever come to India? Loom91 18:38, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Wow...the obsession with IIT-JEE. Sucks the last drop of life out of us children doesn't it? My goodness, you haven't even started class 11 and you are already worried about JEE? wow...and those people who start preparing from class 7....wow...that is my only comment. I cannot sometimes understand the need to get tutors....it just takes away everything...all free time...hobbies etc. Man that really sucks big time. oh and for which movie were you the camera assistant? The last movie I saw was 15 park avenue. That was in February. lol. And yes, I come to India every year for two months. This year, I shall be as well, but specifically to research on my Extended Essay. I am arriving on June 25. BengalRenaissanceEccentrica 22:23, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Actually I find tutors to be important. They help me to focus my studies and provide guidance. They also let me experience better teachers when the teachers from my own school are not so good. My existensialist movie hasn't released yet, I believe it's due sometime in August or September. What are you writing your EE on? Loom91 11:55, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

 * my EE is most likely on either wastewater management in west bengal or the crisis of groundwater arsenic contamination and possible solutions. what's ur movie called? oh i have been wanting to ask...which bangla band is the going through its 15 minutes of fame at the moment? BengalRenaissanceEccentrica 01:36, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Hello
Hi! How are you doing? Kolkata is a featured article candidate now. You can visit the page and say something. Bye.--Dwaipayanc 16:59, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Chandril
Hi Loom! Write an article on Chandril.It will be great. Did you read the poila boisakh article of Chandtil that appeared in Anandabazat patrika, regarding the forst vote of Apu? It was fantastic, jusr like his other articles. And do not worry much about reliable sources on Eastern wetlands. It's there. See some soutces cired in Kolkata. Also see this site for history of Saltlake. Plus you have recent newspaper articles like the one you mentioned. It won't be mush difficult to start an article, at least a stub. Go on. Bye.--Dwaipayanc 05:57, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Do not always worry about creating a great article right from the start. Begin with considerable content. Build up gradually.v Others will contribute gradually. I may sound pedantric, but it's really cool way. It's not disgraceful to start a stub, if it has good verifiable content. You may search through the "Kolkata-related topics" in "see also" section of Kolkata. Many of those are stubs, because not much content. But they needed to be there to support the mother article. Please help if you can improve those. Bye.--Dwaipayanc 06:14, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

LoL
Haha, you write quite correctly no one reads talk pages for entertainment! I just bumped into your discussion. Usually people just happen to go to some unknown talk pages. Basically, talks often start some germinating ideas. (for example, your own talks on east calcutta wetlands). Who knows, some person with no knowledge of Kolkata may peovide you, by chance, with great source on those. That's why I requested. We should consider the multi-lingual audience of the English wikipedia. Talk pages are not exactly private either. Please do not mind. Bye the way, thanks for supportinf passive voice! LoL. Peculiar suggestions people have. You can follow that guy (Bob) to know that he is not exactly pro-India. In fact, he put the article India for removal from featured article status. Nichalp and others had a great time refuting his points! Bye.--Dwaipayanc 06:09, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

bn wiki
Hi Loom, I was wondering if you've been to bn wiki. যদি গিয়ে থাকেন, তাহলে কলকাতা, পশ্চিমবঙ্গ, ইত্যাদি বিষয়ে নিবন্ধ লেখা শুরু করে দিন। আমরা বাংলাদেশের বিভিন্ন বিষয়ে অনেক নিবন্ধ লিখছি, কিন্তু ভারতের বাঙ্গালীদের সংখ্যা বাংলা উইকিপিডিয়াতে অনেক কম। তাই সেখানেও যদি আপনি অংশগ্রহন করে থাকেন, তাহলে ভাল হয়। আপনার স্কুল (হেয়ার স্কুল) এর উপর নিবন্ধ দিয়ে শুরু করে দিন .. :) --Ragib 06:14, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject: Bangla
Hi,

Before we go ahead with the idea of a new wikiproject, we need to see what we intend to cover under the new project. You may be able to bunch all Bangla related issues under WikiProject Bengal which was created to cover the overlapping scenarios for Bangladesh and other Bangla-speaking territories (mainly the West Bengal of course). Also, it seems you are working on several articles involving Bangla words. Please refer to Bengali script to see the transliteration scheme that we have adopted (by months of hard work and discussion) on how to write Bangla words in English.

I am a little busy these days on non WP stuff, but time-to-time I shall be happy to contribute. In the meantime, I believe you are already in touch with User: Ragib who is now also an admin. He spends significant time on WP and I'm sure he'd love to help you out.

Cheers, -- urnonav 21:44, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Patha Bhavana article
yeah well so i created this stupid stub. care to review it? Your valuable and constructive criticism is sought in this regard. thanks. BengalRenaissanceEccentrica 02:56, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

 * It's a nice start. You may want to consider taking a look at the format devoloped at WikiProject Schools, Hare School which was written using the same template and a couple of Featured Articles on schools to see how they organise and present the information. Also consider Citing Sources and WP:NPOV. Photographs make an article aesthetically more pleasing and convey information in a different format than text, so you may also consider adding some images. That should be enough to keep you working for a couple of months :) Loom91 06:22, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Nomination of school
You have twice nominated an Indian school for speedy deletion. As stated for the talk page, there is no applicable grounds for speedy deletion. If you want to suggest it for deletion, you should go through articles for deletion. Capitalistroadster 07:09, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

 * For the record, I am an admistrator of 6 months standing. I have been active on Articles for Deletion for 18 months. I assess articles against the standards of speedy deletion which are much stricter than Articles for Deletion. In no way does this article meet the criteria for speedy deletion. If it was to be deleted, there would be a motion to undelete it. Capitalistroadster 10:27, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

David Hare
Hi, on 3 April 2006 you "made way for disambiguation" by moving David Hare (the British playwright) to David Hare (dramatist). All links to David Hare are now redirects, and, using the search function, I couldn't find any other David Hare. Could you help me here? All the best, <KF> 17:17, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Googling "David Hare", I just found this Scottish philanthropist. Were you thinking of him? <KF> 17:28, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Non-notability
There's no time limit. The only relevant factor is whether or not notability is claimed: if it is, the article can't be speedily deleted by an admin, but has to be taken to WP:AFD. There's a 48-hour limit for speedily deleting a copyright violation, but I think that that's the only case where any such limit applies.

Advice to admins includes being cautious about speedily deleting an article on grounds of non-notability when a number of editors have edited it, which might in effect create a time limit. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 20:55, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

 * No, again, no time limit. Many AfDs are opened on articles that have been around for a long time; the only limitation of opening an AfD is that it should be opened in good faith (ruling out AfDs that violate WP:POINT, and often AfDs that are opened too soon after an article has passed an earlier vote). --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 08:31, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Re:Suman
Hmm! I do not know much about him. The article, as you rightly pointed out, is full of translated songs which is rather unnecessary. I shall try to improve, but am short of time now. Sorry. If you can managa some time, please go ahead. Bye.--Dwaipayanc 09:26, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Proposals
Hi! I just gave a message to. I am almost copy-pasting it to you too. If you write about West Bengal, many categories on West Bengal and Kolkata have been created. See Category:West Bengal. You can create more categories. However, try to make categories accotding to the ideal sections mentioned in a state article, as laid out in WikiProject Indian states. So, you can make categoris like Category:Economy of West Bengal, Category:Flora and fauna of West Bengal etc. A good example is the categories under Kerala. See Category:Kerala. Portal:Kerala can be a nice example if you want to rejuvinate wikiproject Bengal. Bye!--Dwaipayan (talk) 15:02, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Template:Seeintro
I consider this to be well intentioned but misguided. Our style guides say, that all articles should start with an accessable introduction, when an article gets long and technical, it should be considered to split off the technical parts, not the introduction. --Pjacobi 12:04, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Reference Kolkata
Please see my reply in Kolkata talk page i reply to your message there, regsrding the refrences. When you replace inotes with ref format, please use Template:Cite web or Template:Cite news as applicable. These have been used in the rest of the article and provide comprehensive info on the cited sources. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 15:14, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Darjeeling
Hi! Could you please have a quick look of Darjeeling? Please give your suggestions in the article's talk page. This is for an internal review before moving to peer review. Thanks. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:13, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

An article you may like
Hi, I just read what you wrote at the bottom of This FAC. You said that you didn't think it was even possible to write a article as detailed as that. You also said that you don't think making clear obvious assumptions that every is supposed to make counts as Orignial Reasearch. Based on that I think that you will really like this article. I was thinking of nominating it on FAC again. What do you think? Tobyk777 22:24, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

IAALBOAHL
Much as it's a nice idea, it looks too much like protologism to me, so I'm nominating it for AfD. Feel free to make your own argument for its defence. Confusing Manifestation 14:41, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Juan Cole
Hi, It has been a few days since the censorship case has been brought up there, I'm wondering what the follow-up will be. (note: if you look at my user page it will say I am on wikibreak. I am not editing on Wikipedia anymore until the conclusion of this matter and surrounding ones, but will watch out for your reply or developments on this particular case)Elizmr 17:06, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

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Dear Boys

Dear Boys (stylized in all caps) is a Japanese sports manga series written and illustrated by Hiroki Yagami. It was serialized in Kodansha's shōnen manga magazine Monthly Shōnen Magazine from June 1989 to January 1997, with its chapters collected in 23 volumes. The story concerns the progress of the Mizuho High School basketball team as it attempts to win the prefectural championship. It also deals with the relationship between the players on the team, especially the two main characters Kazuhiko Aikawa and Takumi Fujiwara.

Dear Boys has spawned other manga series, also published in Monthly Shōnen Magazine: Dear Boys The Early Days (1997); Dear Boys Act II (1997–2008); Dear Boys Act 3 (2008–2015); Dear Boys Over Time (2016–2017); and Dear Boys Act 4 (2018–present).

A 26-episode anime television series adaptation of the original series, produced by OB Planning and animated by A.C.G.T, was broadcast on TV Tokyo from April to September 2003. In North America, the series was licensed by Bandai Entertainment and released under the title Hoop Days.

By March 2019, the overall Dear Boys manga series has sold over 45 million copies, making it one of the best-selling manga series of all time. In 2007, Dear Boys Act II won the 31st Kodansha Manga Award in the category.

Plot
At the outset of the manga, the Mizuho High School basketball team is in trouble, as there are not enough players to play a game. Additionally, the coach has left after a conflict with Fujiwara. However, Aikawa transfers to Mizuho and through his enthusiasm and sheer love of the game, infuses the few remaining members with a sense of purpose.

Despite the fact that there are only five of them (i.e., they have no substitutes), they manage to get the coach of the girls' team to coach them as well. At first, she seems very strict, but later reveals her attachment to her "Dear Boys". Together, they do their best to make their dreams come true and take their team to the top of the prefecture.

Characters

 * Kazuhiko Aikawa (哀川 和彦)
 * He was the one who convinced the remaining players to play basketball again. Mutsumi had once said that it was as if Aikawa reminded them all about how much fun they could've all had playing basketball together. He was once the trump card and captain of the Tendōji High's basketball team. He plays the position of small forward in the team. He also has a knack of being able to jump higher than most people, and that makes up for his height disadvantage. Even though he is short, he is able to dunk.
 * He is considered to be a genius as can be seen in the anime and it is seen that his skills seem to improve with every game that he plays. He is also the best friend of Masato Sawanobori, the star player and point guard of Tendōji High School and Fujiwara Takumi, the captain of the Mizuho basketball team.
 * He is always able to encourage the other players no matter how difficult the game is.
 * He is romantically involved with Mai Moritaka of the girls' team.
 * He is romantically involved with Mai Moritaka of the girls' team.

 * Takumi Fujiwara (藤原 拓弥)
 * Fujiwara is a second-year student at Mizuho High. He is often nicknamed Taku by his close friends and seems to be romantically involved with Mutsumi Akiyoshi of the girls' team. Fujiwara also appears to be very close to his long-time friend, Miura Ranmaru.
 * He was involved in an incident where he was provoked into punching the coach in his first year. The coach has since transferred to another school and Mizuho's boys' basketball team was banned from any tournament for a year.
 * He has an old injury on his right knee which came from one of his games involving Miura and was ordered by Anzaki to rehabilitate his knee and make it more flexible to improve his playing ability in time for the prefectural tournament.
 * Fujiwara is the captain of the Mizuho basketball team and plays the position of point guard. He attended Mizuho Junior High and was Miura's teammate at that time as well.
 * As seen in the anime and said by Aikawa that he (Takumi) is the reason why Aikawa can push himself way beyond his limits. It is denied by Aikawa that he (Fuji) was equal to Masato Sawanabori of Tendouji in skills.
 * As seen in the anime and said by Aikawa that he (Takumi) is the reason why Aikawa can push himself way beyond his limits. It is denied by Aikawa that he (Fuji) was equal to Masato Sawanabori of Tendouji in skills.

 * Ranmaru Miura (三浦 蘭丸)
 * Miura has a calm and quiet personality. He has been Fujiwara's best friend since middle school. Miura was seen not to have good stamina at the beginning of the series. He plays the shooting guard position and is the three-point specialist of the team. It was mentioned in the manga that he would rather be scoring points than being the playmaker of the team. He is also talented at stealing balls from his opponents. He is also the one who can shoot fade away three-pointers.
 * During the match versus Kadena Nishi, he is forced to shoot NBA 3-pointers to help Mizuho win the match. Unfortunately, he was injured due to a foul made by Kenta Shimabukuro. He was then rested for the subsequent match.
 * Miura attended Mizuho Junior High and was Fujiwara's teammate at that time as well. He blamed himself for causing Fujiwara's knee injury although it is not his fault. In the anime, Keiko Ogami of the girls' team seems to have a crush on him.
 * Fujiwara had intended Miura to, before the start of the tournament, become a player to be feared. He wants Miura to be like before, be unpredictable with his pinpoint passes, judgement and sharp shooting.
 * Fujiwara had intended Miura to, before the start of the tournament, become a player to be feared. He wants Miura to be like before, be unpredictable with his pinpoint passes, judgement and sharp shooting.

 * Tsutomu Ishii (石井 努)
 * Ishii is an extremely short-tempered person. It was highlighted that his weakness is being easily provoked by the opposing team to foul, and is prone to committing four fouls at a crucial time of a match. However, as the team starts to advance to the final, he has grown mature and his skills were also starting to grow more steady and powerful.
 * He plays the position of power forward in the team. It appears that he and Dobashi are close friends, having played on the same team during middle school. Ishii attended Takakura Junior High.
 * And it says in the episodes that he matches with the big machine.
 * And it says in the episodes that he matches with the big machine.

 * Kenji Dobashi (土橋 健二)
 * Dobashi is the largest in the team. He resembles Miura and has a quiet personality. Although his legs are not strong, he proves to his teammates that he can steal, rebound and defend better than ever before. He plays the position of center in the team.
 * He is often called "old man" by Ishii because of his hair and appearance. In the anime, before the prefectural championship, he changed his hairstyle. Dobashi attended Takakura Junior High.
 * As the story passes, he was one of the pillars for the team and his presence is felt. Whenever he was injured, the team performance will fare badly because everyone expects him to be their main guy in defence.
 * As the story passes, he was one of the pillars for the team and his presence is felt. Whenever he was injured, the team performance will fare badly because everyone expects him to be their main guy in defence.

 * Tōya Takashina (高階 トウヤ)
 * Takashina is first seen practising alone in one episode, and later became the 6th member of the boys' team. It was said that he can play any position in a team. He is extremely talented in shooting three pointers, matching up to Miura's level of skill and excellent in rebounds.
 * It is said that Takashina was a friend of Ayumi Fuse during middle school.

 * Mutsumi Akiyoshi (秋吉 夢津美)
 * Mutsumi is the captain of the girls' basketball team, and is a close friend of Moritaka's. She seems to be romantically involved with Takumi Fujiwara of the boys' team. She plays as a point guard on the team and used to admire Fujiwara's talent. During the quarter-finals match, she couldn't play because of her emotional distress, and she fouled many times and was benched. But after Fujiwara opened up to her before the finals, she played to her fullest, making Mizuho win.
 * Mutsumi is the captain of the girls' basketball team, and is a close friend of Moritaka's. She seems to be romantically involved with Takumi Fujiwara of the boys' team. She plays as a point guard on the team and used to admire Fujiwara's talent. During the quarter-finals match, she couldn't play because of her emotional distress, and she fouled many times and was benched. But after Fujiwara opened up to her before the finals, she played to her fullest, making Mizuho win.

 * Mai Moritaka (森高 麻衣)
 * Mai seems to be romantically involved with Kazuhiko Aikawa and becomes his girlfriend later in the series. Aikawa nicknames her "Pony/Pony tail" because of her long ponytail when he first saw her.
 * Her position on the team has never been revealed, neither in the manga nor in the anime. However, after some advice and personal training from Aikawa, Mai has the highest shot percentage among all her teammates when it comes to 3-pointers.
 * Her position on the team has never been revealed, neither in the manga nor in the anime. However, after some advice and personal training from Aikawa, Mai has the highest shot percentage among all her teammates when it comes to 3-pointers.

 * Keiko Ōgami (大神 恵子)
 * Keiko plays as a center for the girls' team and is the tallest among all her teammates.
 * She appears to have a crush on Miura and is proven on two occasions: one when she gave Miura a 'victory sign', and another when Mutsumi remarked if Keiko would get jealous after seeing a couple of girls approach Miura to congratulate him over the team's recent victory.
 * She appears to have a crush on Miura and is proven on two occasions: one when she gave Miura a 'victory sign', and another when Mutsumi remarked if Keiko would get jealous after seeing a couple of girls approach Miura to congratulate him over the team's recent victory.

 * Masato Sawanobori (サワンボリ マサト)
 * Masato is Kazuhiko's best friend and another member of the boys' basketball team at Mizuho High school.
 * Masato is Kazuhiko's best friend and another member of the boys' basketball team at Mizuho High school.

 * Igarashi Osamu (五十 嵐修)

 * Satomi Anzaki (杏崎 沙斗未)
 * The manager of the Mizuho team, she was in the same junior high as Fujiwara and Miura (one year below them). She used to be a star player in the female basketball team, but suffered an injury that cut off her career as a player. As a result she's become somewhat withdrawn and bitter, to the point the other players think she's too harsh and cold. Over time, however, she warms up to them and does her best to support them.
 * The manager of the Mizuho team, she was in the same junior high as Fujiwara and Miura (one year below them). She used to be a star player in the female basketball team, but suffered an injury that cut off her career as a player. As a result she's become somewhat withdrawn and bitter, to the point the other players think she's too harsh and cold. Over time, however, she warms up to them and does her best to support them.

 * Kyoko Himuro (氷室 京子)
 * A homeroom teacher and the coach for the Mizuho female team, she takes it upon herself to save the male basketball team from being shut down for good. Being friends and former teammates with Aikawa's older sister, she arranged his transfer from Tendōji, believing he could become the soul that would bring out the best in the male basketball team. While she can be strict, it becomes clear she's very fond of her "Dear Boys", and wants to see them become the team she knows they can be.
 * A homeroom teacher and the coach for the Mizuho female team, she takes it upon herself to save the male basketball team from being shut down for good. Being friends and former teammates with Aikawa's older sister, she arranged his transfer from Tendōji, believing he could become the soul that would bring out the best in the male basketball team. While she can be strict, it becomes clear she's very fond of her "Dear Boys", and wants to see them become the team she knows they can be.

Manga
Written and illustrated by Hiroki Yagami, Dear Boys was serialized in Kodansha's manga magazine Monthly Shōnen Magazine from June 1989 to January 1997. Kodansha collected its chapters in 23 volumes, released from 16 December 1989 to 17 March 1997. Other related series and sequels, published in the same magazine, have been released:

 * Dear Boys The Early Days
 * Serialized from February to May 1997; its chapters were collected in a single volume, released on 12 August of that same year.

 * Dear Boys Act II
 * Serialized from July 1997 to November 2008. Its chapters were collected in 30 volumes, released from 17 November 1997 to 17 February 2009.

 * Dear Boys Act 3
 * Serialized from 6 December 2008 to 4 December 2015. Its chapters were collected in 21  volumes, released from 17 June 2009 to 17 February 2016.

 * Dear Boys Over Time
 * Serialized from 5 February 2016 to 6 January 2017. Its chapters were collected in three  volume, released from 17 June 2016 to 17 February 2017.

 * Dear Boys Act 4
 * It started on 6 October 2018. The first volume was released on 15 March 2019. As of 15 March 2024 16 volumes have been released. A six-volume prequel to Act 4, titled Dear Boys Shōnan Dai Sagami Special Selection (DEAR BOYS 湘南大相模スペシャルセレクション), set two years before the events of the story, was published digitally on 15 March 2019.

Video games
A video game, published by Yutaka for the Super Famicom, was released on 20 October 1994. Another video game, titled Dear Boys: Fast Break!, published by Konami for the PlayStation 2, was released on 18 September 2003.

Anime
A 26-episode anime television series adaptation, produced by OB Planning and animated by A.C.G.T, was broadcast on TV Tokyo from 8 April to 30 September 2003. Da Pump performed the opening theme "Sound of Bounce", while Chris Sasaki (credited as Chris) performed the ending theme "Baller no Shōgō" (Ballerの章号).

In North America, the series was licensed by Bandai Entertainment in 2004. They released it under the title Hoop Days; episodes were partially released on two DVD sets on 28 June and 23 August 2005 and a "Complete Collection" was later released on 5 June 2006. The series was licensed in Australia and New Zealand by Madman Entertainment, who released a Complete Collection set on 6 September 2006. Medialink licensed the series in Southeast Asia and was broadcast on Animax Asia.

Reception
By March 2019, the overall Dear Boys manga series had sold over 45 million copies.

In 2007, Dear Boys Act II received 31st Kodansha Manga Award in the category.

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Gor (disambiguation)

Gor is the alternate-world setting for a novel series by John Norman.

Gor or GOR may also refer to:

Fiction and mythology

 * Gor (film), a science fiction and fantasy film, 1987
 * Gor Saga, a 1981 novel by Maureen Duffy, televised as First Born
 * Gór, a legendary Norse ancestral hero, brother of Nór
 * Gor, a mythical elephant in Pygmy Mbuti mythology
 * Gor (Marvel Cinematic Universe), a character in Jessica Jones

Given name

 * Gor Agbaljan (born 1997), Armenian footballer
 * Gor Malakyan (born 1994), Armenian footballer
 * Gor Minasyan (born 1994), Armenian weightlifter
 * Gor Mkhitarian (born 1973), Armenian musician
 * Gor Sujyan (born 1987), Armenian singer
 * Gor Vardanyan (born 1972), Armenian actor

Surname

 * Avika Gor (born 1997), Indian actress
 * Gennady Gor (1907–1981), Russian writer
 * Lokman Gör (born 1990), Turkish footballer
 * Priyal Gor (born 1994), Indian actress
 * Pooja Gor (born 1991), Indian actress
 * Yakup Gör (born 1988), Turkish wrestler

Maritime

 * Global Ocean Race, a yachting race
 * Gor-class gunboat, in the Royal Norwegian Navy, 1884–1887
 * HNOMS Gor, two ships of the Royal Norwegian Navy

Places

 * Gōr, an ancient city in Iran
 * Gor, Granada, Spain
 * Gór, Hungary
 * Gor, Sikkim, India
 * Gor, an ancient city, now Drâa-El-Gamra, Tunisia

Codes

 * GOR, the IATA code for Gore Airport in Ethiopia
 * gor, the ISO 639-2 and -3 codes for the Gorontalo language spoken on Sulawesi, Indonesia
 * GOR, the London Underground code for Goldhawk Road tube station in London, UK
 * GOR, the National Rail code for Goring & Streatley railway station in Oxfordshire, UK

Other uses

 * Gor language, spoken in Chad
 * GOR method, in bioinformatics
 * Gas oil ratio
 * German Operations Research Society (German: Gesellschaft für Operations Research)
 * Gor Mahia F.C., a football club based in Nairobi, Kenya
 * Duke of Gor, a Spanish title of nobility

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Ecocentrism

Ecocentrism (from Greek: οἶκος oikos, 'house' and κέντρον kentron, 'center') is a term used by environmental philosophers and ecologists to denote a nature-centered, as opposed to human-centered (i.e., anthropocentric), system of values. The justification for ecocentrism usually consists in an ontological belief and subsequent ethical claim. The ontological belief denies that there are any existential divisions between human and non-human nature sufficient to claim that humans are either (a) the sole bearers of intrinsic value or (b) possess greater intrinsic value than non-human nature. Thus the subsequent ethical claim is for an equality of intrinsic value across human and non-human nature, or biospherical egalitarianism.

Origin of term
The ecocentric ethic was conceived by Aldo Leopold and recognizes that all species, including humans, are the product of a long evolutionary process and are inter-related in their life processes. The writings of Aldo Leopold and his idea of the land ethic and good environmental management are a key element to this philosophy. Ecocentrism focuses on the biotic community as a whole and strives to maintain ecosystem composition and ecological processes. The term also finds expression in the first principle of the deep ecology movement, as formulated by Arne Næss and George Sessions in 1984 which points out that anthropocentrism, which considers humans as the center of the universe and the pinnacle of all creation, is a difficult opponent for ecocentrism.

Background
Environmental thought and the various branches of the environmental movement are often classified into two intellectual camps: those that are considered anthropocentric, or "human-centred," in orientation and those considered biocentric, or "life-centred". This division has been described in other terminology as "shallow" ecology versus "deep" ecology and as "technocentrism" versus "ecocentrism". Ecocentrism can be seen as one stream of thought within environmentalism, the political and ethical movement that seeks to protect and improve the quality of the natural environment through changes to environmentally harmful human activities by adopting environmentally benign forms of political, economic, and social organization and through a reassessment of humanity's relationship with nature. In various ways, environmentalism claims that non-human organisms and the natural environment as a whole deserve consideration when appraising the morality of political, economic, and social policies.

Anthropocentrism
Ecocentrism is taken by its proponents to constitute a radical challenge to long-standing and deeply rooted anthropocentric attitudes in Western culture, science, and politics. Anthropocentrism is alleged to leave the case for the protection of non-human nature subject to the demands of human utility, and thus never more than contingent on the demands of human welfare. An ecocentric ethic, by contrast, is believed to be necessary in order to develop a non-contingent basis for protecting the natural world. Critics of ecocentrism have argued that it opens the doors to an anti-humanist morality that risks sacrificing human well-being for the sake of an ill-defined 'greater good'. Deep ecologist Arne Naess has identified anthropocentrism as a root cause of the ecological crisis, human overpopulation, and the extinctions of many non-human species. Lupinacci also points to anthropocentrism as a root cause of environmental degradation. Others point to the gradual historical realization that humans are not the centre of all things, that "A few hundred years ago, with some reluctance, Western people admitted that the planets, Sun and stars did not circle around their abode. In short, our thoughts and concepts though irreducibly anthropomorphic need not be anthropocentric."

Industrocentrism
It sees all things on earth as resources to be utilized by humans or to be commodified. This view is the opposite of anthropocentrism and ecocentrism.

Technocentrism
Ecocentrism  is also contrasted with technocentrism (meaning values centred on technology) as two opposing perspectives on attitudes towards human technology and its ability to affect, control and even protect the environment. Ecocentrics, including "deep green" ecologists, see themselves as being subject to nature, rather than in control of it. They lack faith in modern technology and the bureaucracy attached to it. Ecocentrics will argue that the natural world should be respected for its processes and products, and that low impact technology and self-reliance is more desirable than technological control of nature. Technocentrics, including imperialists, have absolute faith in technology and industry and firmly believe that humans have control over nature. Although technocentrics may accept that environmental problems do exist, they do not see them as problems to be solved by a reduction in industry. Indeed, technocentrics see that the way forward for developed and developing countries and the solutions to our environmental problems today lie in scientific and technological advancement.

Biocentrism
The distinction between biocentrism and ecocentrism is ill-defined. Ecocentrism recognizes Earth's interactive living and non-living systems rather than just the Earth's organisms (biocentrism) as central in importance. The term has been used by those advocating "left biocentrism", combining deep ecology with an "anti-industrial and anti-capitalist" position (David Orton et al.).

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User:Schwalbe

Schwalbe is the german word for Swallow. I used to use that nick in the german wikipedia since Oct 7th 2004.

If you like to contact me you may more likely see me on my de:discussion page. I will answer in english language.

de:Benutzer:Schwalbe fr:Utilisateur:Schwalbe

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Rudolf Baumgartner

Rudolf Baumgartner (14 September 1917 – 22 March 2002) was a Swiss conductor, violinist and music educator. In 1956 he founded the Lucerne Festival Strings chamber orchestra together with Wolfgang Schneiderhan.

Life and career
Born in Zürich, Switzerland, Baumgartner earned degrees in music from the University of Zurich and the Zurich Conservatory. At the latter institution he was a pupil of Stefi Geyer and Paul Müller-Zürich. After completing these studies, he pursued further training in the violin privately with Carl Flesch in Paris and Wolfgang Schneiderhan in Vienna. He later co-founded the Lucerne Festival Strings with Schneiderhan in 1956.

In the 1950s Baumgartner recorded the complete sonatas for violin and harpsichord of J.S. Bach with the Austrian harpsichordist Isolde Ahlgrimm for Phillips, although the masters have been lost. In 1954 he joined the faculty of the Lucerne Conservatory as a professor of violin, and later became the director of that institution in 1960. From 1969 through 1980 he was also artistic director of the Lucerne Festival.

Baumgartner died in Siena, Italy on 22 March 2002.

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Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Radiant!

Radiant!
final (71/9/2) ending 08:05, 7 June 2005 (UTC)

Radiant has an outstanding record of service to Wikipedia, and has shown a great deal of effort in policy questions and consensus. Examples of policy discussions he has conducted out has been WP:FICT and Schools, the first one being a commonly cited result on many a VfD debate. I think he would be a great administrator. Sjakkalle 08:10, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Candidate please indicate acceptance of the nomination here

 * Thank you. I never really expected to become an admin (since I have a tendency to try to resolve controversial issues, it seems that people tend to associate me with controversy). But if people would like my help with a variety of admin tasks, I'd be more than willing to join. Radiant_* 11:21, May 31, 2005 (UTC)

Edit count
 * Kate's tool says, 7906 edits.
 * Of which 1719 are to article namespace; the other 6187 are to talk, templates, categories or wikipedia.

Support Having see Radiant!'s recent amazing efforts on Schools, I've decided to vote in favour. Support. James F. (talk) 20:58, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Support, among other things because I'm the nominator. Sjakkalle 08:07, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Support. All together now: I thought he was already one!. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 08:12, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) Support. Filiocht | Blarneyman 08:34, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
 * 4) El_C 08:58, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 5) Support with the greatest pleasure. Would have nominated him myself if I hadn't thought he already was... Grutness...  wha?  09:32, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 6) Support. Radiant! is a valuable Wikipedian who I feel deserves being entrusted with the provebial mop and bucket. Thryduulf 09:54, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 7) Very Strong Support Great work all around, relating to VfD in particular. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd 12:09, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
 * 8) Support. A very impressive amount of work in a short space of time. — Xezbeth 12:16, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
 * 9) Very Strong Support. Radiant! is a very sensible user who will will make a great admin. utcursch | talk 13:16, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
 * 10) Support. A strong choice, in my opinion. --Scimitar 14:03, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 11) Support. Looks good, and I think we need admins who aren't afraid to deal with controversial issues. Linuxbeak | Talk | Desk 14:44, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
 * 12) Seems like a good chap. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 15:58, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 13) Support. Radiant! takes part in policy discussions, and seems a generally trustworthy sort.  Joyous 17:11, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
 * 14) Support. Everyking's endorsement convinced me. --Carnildo 18:14, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 15) Support -- Some of Radiant!'s edits are unpopular, sure, but that's part of being bold. --Spangineer ∞ 18:59, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
 * 16) Support. -- Viajero | Talk 19:01, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 17) Support. --Silversmith Hewwo 19:24, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 18) Emphatically support. --Kbdank71 20:09, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 19) Support- Awww... I got here late again. The oppose votes surprise me; in my experience he's always made a good-faith effort in contributing. --Dmcdevit 20:20, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 20) Support CDC   (talk)  21:55, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 21) Support. Admins will necessarily become involved in controversial topics on occasion.  Radiant! has had some practice in advance. :-)  On a more serious note, I do not foresee him (mis)using the admin tools to further any argument, so there isn't a problem with giving him the keys to the mop closet. --TenOfAllTrades (talk/contrib) 22:01, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 22) Support, will make a good admin. :) - Mailer Diablo 22:17, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 23) Definitely. Anybody who Everyking hates must be a good guy.  :)  RickK 22:54, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
 * 24) "I thought you were already an admin!" ☺ Support. --cesarb 22:57, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 25) Support. Ditto the above. -- BD2412 talk 01:22, 2005 Jun 1 (UTC)
 * 26) Support. Heart-clutchingly bold, indeed, but we need a few people like that. (Just a few, though!) I don't agree with everything he does, but I believe Radiant! will continue to be bold, admin or not, and won't abuse the extra powers to further his position. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 02:37, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 27) This should be no big deal. JuntungWu 05:58, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 28) Support. Knowledgeable in cleanup and deletion related matters. jni 06:17, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 29) Strong support. Ambi 06:58, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 30) Support.-gadfium 08:47, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 31) Support. Has addressed my concerns below.  Thanks!  -- Un  focused  11:49, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 32) Support. Very good at bringing the dregs of Wikipedia into a coherent whole. Susvolans (pigs can fly) 14:08, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 33) Support. We've disagreed on some issues but Radiant! is unquestionably a very valuable contributor. - SimonP 18:43, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * 34) support Kingturtle 18:46, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 35) Support, good user, good contributions to policy discussions. JYolkowski // talk 20:41, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 36) Not sure. Perhaps a little too far into the "pushy" beyond the "bold" stage, and too quick to jump to decisions, but does some great work, too. James F. (talk) 23:04, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Support...didn't I already do this? :S -Frazzydee|✍ 21:41, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Support -   BanyanTree 23:39, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) Support - Highly commendable for working hard to resolve differences with certain people. --Jondel 00:46, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 4) Support. --Idont Havaname 02:27, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 5) Support. I thought I voted yesterday.  Getting absent... uh, oh yeah, minded.  SWAdair | Talk  02:45, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 6) Support. My experience is that R has bent over backwards to accomodate others rather than "rushing to judgement". Entirely sensible.  Votes against are quite instructive. Slac  speak up!  05:43, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 7) Support. All persons with known cardiac condition, people with pacemakers, pregnant women and small children are advised to edit with caution! BOLD EDITOR coming through! The first of a new, improved breed, Radiant lights our path into the future! :-) (And he's a decent editor too.) Kim Bruning 09:55, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 8) Support this fine fellow. -- Hoary 13:30, 2005 Jun 2 (UTC)
 * 9) Gamaliel 15:12, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 10) David Gerard 16:18, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 11) Support. Though we had somewhat different viewpoints on the school issue, Radiant, I and others worked together towards a compromise, which Radiant very diplomatically outlined at WP:SCH.  Though he is bold in asserting his mergist principles, I've found that he's willing to discuss differences of opinion, and I would hope this would continue when he becomes an admin. --BaronLarf 17:11, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * 12) Weak Support, although it may be a concern that hes a strong deletionist and may be too quick to delete articles. Hedley 17:24, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 13) Support. Fawcett5 17:50, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 14) Support. Jonathunder 18:00, 2005 Jun 2 (UTC)
 * 15) Support. We need strong leaders, iron men with iron wills.-Ashley Pomeroy 20:13, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 16) Support - strong editor. Johntex 23:43, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 17) Support. – ugen64 04:51, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 18) Support--Duk 16:13, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 19) Support.  Grue  05:26, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 20) SupportMy contact with him has always been positive. His handling of others is always for the good of wikipedia. Giano | talk 08:01, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 21) Support. I thought he was one already. I think he certainly will be able to handle the increased responsibility. Sarg 12:56, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 22) Support! the wub (talk) 14:28, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 23) Support. Neutralitytalk 08:13, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * 24) Support. User:Acela Expresstalk08:36, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * 25) Support. I thought he'd been hard-banned? (Well, not really, but it beats "I thought he was one already"). --W(t) 08:39, 2005 Jun 5 (UTC)
 * 26) Support. I was put off by one or two support votes (especially Ashley Pomeroy's), but they were balanced by some of the oppose votes, and Everyking pushed me into support (actually it's at least as much a matter of his contributions record, etc., but that would have been boring). Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 13:55, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 27) Support: There was a little naivette in the past, but Radiant's views seem judicious in general, and I fully support. Geogre 14:52, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 28) When voting, I rarely take into consideration who supports or opposes a candidate. However, this is one of those rare instances. Carbonite | Talk 17:09, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 29) Support Flcelloguy 21:28, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 30) Support.  I'm going to use the overused: I thought he already was one! humblefool® 05:54, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 31) Support.-JCarriker 07:01, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * 32) Support (my first ever vote on RFA). The oppose list makes me more inclined to vote here. -R. fiend 22:14, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 33) Support. Postdlf 22:17, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 34) Support. Sensible, reliable, good communicator. Dpbsmith (talk) 22:53, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 35) Andre ( talk ) 22:57, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) Weak Oppose Radiant is a nice guy but he is at times too quick to rush into judgement, and take things personally, and has overly strong deletionist tendancies. I am also not impressed by the hounding of User:GRider, who in my mind embodies the wikispirit. While in do think Radiant would be a good admin, I worry about his judgement in relation to VfD, which is one of the most visible roles of an admin. Too me the fear information loss outwieghs any concerns of an avalanche of cruft.Klonimus 15:57, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * One note: GRider was in fact a sockpuppet, one of a string of sockpuppet accounts; "hounding" may well have been entirely appropriate - David Gerard 16:18, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Emphatically oppose—attitude completely unsuitable for adminship. Based on what I've seen this user say I think we could expect controversial deletes and blocks on a daily basis. Everyking 09:32, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Do you ever support anyone for Rfa, Everyking? Seems like when a vote is 40-1 in favour, the one vote against will usually be yours. Grutness...  wha?  09:40, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Sure, I think I support maybe 2/3rds of the time...look down the page yourself, there's a few support votes. Everyking 09:58, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not really sure where that came from; I do not presently intend to do VfD or CSD cleanup or closure (unless there's a huge backlog; heck, most of my votes these days are to merge) and I don't recall ever having called for a user block, except possibly for a sockpuppet or two. Radiant_* 11:21, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Although I think that Radiant! has been a valuable contributor to the Wikipedia, I have also seen an inclination to rush to judgement on some issues. For the time being, I am not ready to hand him the keys to the Wikipedia mop closet. Blank Verse  ∅  13:44, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) I've seen too much where this person has acted against common practice, performed major actions without explaination or regard for requests to slow down/hold back, and is quite prone to edit warring.  If adminship is about trust, I would have to see some major improvements.  I would suggest he spend a considerable amount of time working back on the main encyclopedia. -- Netoholic @ 14:52, 2005 May 31 (UTC)
 * You have every right to your opinion, but allegations that I would be prone to edit warring are simply not true. I've never even come close to the 3RR. I do admit to having opposed your edits a couple of times lately, but that has only happened when you reverted people's good-faith changes and didn't respond when asked why (e.g. Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment). And note that in all such cases I have quickly dropped the issue in the hopes of getting a third party's opinion. Radiant_* 15:17, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
 * I believe this recent example (User_talk:Radiant) shows much of what I've said - plus an inexplicable deletion by you of one of my Talk page comments. -- Netoholic @ 17:44, 2005 Jun 1 (UTC)
 * It strikes me as odd that you should complain about a relisting of one TFD vote that clearly had no consensus either way (6 keep/5 del), since you had no problems with two relistings that happened a couple days earlier. Also, why haven't you responded to the matters at RFC/talk or your own talk page? Radiant_* 18:10, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose -- This user frequently edits policy and process without consensus (and in my opinion, to further an agenda). This is a gray area, and I admit I sometimes do the same. But I wouldn't support myself for admin, and I can't support this user, either. I find it significant he has felt compelled to defend himself here; ideal admins do not seek the office. We need cooler heads to hold the keys. — Xiong熊 talk*  01:08, 2005 Jun 2 (UTC)
 * 2) Oppose - a while ago i was noticing this user tagging/redirecting a lot over at Deadend pages, which is fine, but unfortunately a lot were done incorrectly, such as adding multiple stub tags and for example redirecting Guardian's Office to Scientology, when scientology made no mention of the redirected topic. i know these are fairly pathetic examples, but i remember encountering a lot of them. I would never hold anything against anyone, but it frustrates me to see any recklessness. Bluemoose 15:51, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) Oppose. Although this user is a good contributor, but am not sure that I can support him as an admin at this point. Tim Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy)  22:31, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 4) Oppose Does not meet my admin criterion, jguk 12:44, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 5) Oppose because Radiant deleted the discussion of TFD votes after Netoholic cited it as an exhibit. Sebastian (talk) 06:22, 2005 Jun 7 (UTC)

Retracted
 * # Being bold is one thing, but I think many times he crosses the line into "pushy," and I don't think we need another admin that is so combative. Mike H 15:37, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
 * # Radiant! is good at seeking consensus, but has been far too stingy with edit summaries, especially in Wikipedia space. Edit summaries are at the core of simple courtesy to other editors and I oppose adminship for anyone who doesn't make them a personal habit.  I also believe Radiant! is frequently on the verge of being too bold, especially in policy matters, but respect that WP needs someone pushing hard to really nail the issues down.  A sincere promise to use admin tools far more cautiously than regular edit tools, and a promise to use edit summaries buys my vote.  -- Un  focused  00:17, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Neutral
 * I almost thought he already was an admin! ;-) Extreme boldness makes me somewhat nervous, I'm not sure weather I should vote strong support (because BE BOLD! is an important wikipedia rule which I support with my head :-) ) or strong oppose (because bold people still make me clutch my heart :-/ ). Let me ponder this. Or drop me a line! :-) Kim Bruning 13:45, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Well if you already thought Radiant was an admin, and you didn't try to get him/her desysoped, then what's the prob? ;)

 * 1) Currently I oppose Radiant! for admin 1) doesnt have enough constructive content creation under his belt IMO. Talk pages, vfd and the like (which are very good for community spirit/togetherness) just isnt enough to make an admin. 2) I dont think another avowed deletionist as an admin is what we need. Of course feel free to take this opinion with a grain of salt, since Radiant! and I do regularly oppose each other on VfD issues. 3) I just dont think he has the right attitude overall to be an admin. Of course everyone said that about me too... so *shrugs*.   ALKIVAR ™[[Image:Radioactive.svg|18px|]] 09:48, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * more research into his recent history has pushed me back to neutral, but i'm still not sure he'd make a good admin.  ALKIVAR ™[[Image:Radioactive.svg|18px|]] 10:30, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) I believe Radiant is a thoughtful worthwhile contributor. He works through issues with people and there have been occasions I've opposed his efforts and other times I've helped. I'd like to see some genuine reflection into the honest and (mostly) true criticisms made in the oppose votes rather than hasty defenses before I could cast a support vote. SchmuckyTheCat 16:15, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Comments
 * Recently I deleted twice "User:Radiant!" on meta, because there was no account under this name. Assumingly the page was created under assumption there was single account policy, or not. I don't know this editor personally but I'm skeptical if the editor is familiar with system & technical side of our project, if this page was created by the user under the same name on English Wikipedia. -- Aphaea *  11:07, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, that would be me, and I apologize if that was out of order. I rarely visit meta, but have given comments on a discussion or two in the past. Since it turned out my signature wasn't pointing anywhere useful, I figured it would be easiest to direct it to en:User:Radiant! So no, I'm not fully familiar with the system of meta (or, indeed, of any other language wikipedia, or of wiktionary, but am presently familiarizing myself with the latter thanks to DMCdevit) but I'm happy to learn. Radiant_* 11:27, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your clarification. It would be nice if you sign with a link to your wiki in this case, I suppose, but I recommende you to create an account there ;-) -- Aphaea *  05:54, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Since my last posting here, this user has engaged in a protracted debate on my talk page over the subject of whether my comments are factual and appropriate. This relentless effort to nullify all opposition is indicative of character. I believe this project is best served by neutral, calm admins who display the ability to ignore personal attacks on themselves and not dish out as good as they get, but instead are resilient, flexible, and non-confrontational. Adminship is a position held in trust for the benefit of the Community and the Project as a whole. Candidates should be prepared to withstand intense scrutiny and frequent criticism of their actions without overreacting. — Xiong熊 talk* 16:48, 2005 Jun 3 (UTC)
 * Moved from the Oppose section to here --cesarb 19:01, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Are you voting...twice? Mike H 17:06, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * I've read what he wrote on your talk page. Where do you get that he is confrontational?  You say repeatedly that he has an agenda, yet you don't back it up with evidence.  Do you in fact have any evidence of this?  --Kbdank71 17:07, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate

A few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:
 * 1. What sysop chores, if any, would you anticipate helping with? (Please read the page about administrators and the administrators' reading list.)
 * A. In particular, category reorganization (per WP:CFD). Also, I periodically clean up WP:VFU (and also RFC and TFD, but that doesn't require admin rights); this morning I wanted to close Altar Q but realized I couldn't, since majority says to undelete. Since I'm currently the one who closes and unlists WP:TFD discussions, it probably wouldn't be appropriate if I deleted those templates. Finally, I was under the impression that WP:RPP requests do not always get a response; I'd like to give that a hand since it is about distilling rational debate from non-constructive reverting.
 * 2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikipedia, are there any about which you are particularly pleased, and why?
 * A. I believe I'm mostly known in Wikipedia namespace... I was happily surprised by the amount of constructive response at Schools. Also I'm rather proud of both WP:FICT and the speedy renaming procedure at Categories for deletion policies. While both were the product of ideas and feedback from a large group of users, I do feel responsible for both starting and realizing the proposals.
 * In article namespace, my main contributions are to areas of pop culture including The Simpsons, Monty Python and some webcomics, notably Megatokyo. I'm not the main author of any of those, but have done a bunch of miscellaneous additions, fixes and reorganization. Recent articles that I wrote include Jomanda and Martian Dreams. Basically, I tend to browse sections of the 'pedia that I know something about, and add things I know that aren't already there.
 * 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and will deal with it in the future?
 * A. I recently had an argument with User:Xiong about the scope of TFD. While this started as a simple I'm wrong/you're wrong exchange, after we'd both made our points we decided it would be worthwhile to discuss some kind of compromise, that may some day turn into a wiki proposal. In other words, since we both kept explaining ourselves we turned an argument into a workable solution.
 * I know I have a reputation for being bold, but I only do that when I think most people would agree (which usually turns out to be the case). When someone does disagree or revert me, my response would be to enter the talk page and explain it (e.g. ) or in the case of opposing opinions, ask for a third party.
 * Radiant_* 11:21, May 31, 2005 (UTC)


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Kommanditgesellschaft

A Kommanditgesellschaft (abbreviated KG, ; from Kommandite + Gesellschaft) is the German name for a limited partnership business entity and is used in German, Belgian, Dutch, Austrian, and some other European legal systems. In Japan, it is called a gōshi gaisha. Its name derives from the commenda, an early Italian medieval form of limited partnership. In Indonesia, it is legally called commanditaire vennootschap (CV) or Persekutuan Komanditer, derived from colonial Dutch administration.

Description
Partnerships may be formed in the legal forms of General Partnership (Gesellschaft bürgerlichen Rechts, GbR), or specialized in trading (Offene Handelsgesellschaft, OHG), or Limited Partnership (Kommanditgesellschaft, KG).

In the OHG, all partners are fully liable for the partnership's debts, whereas in the KG there are general partners (Komplementär) with unlimited liability and limited partners (Kommanditisten) whose liability is restricted to their fixed contributions to the partnership. Although a partnership itself is not a legal entity, it may acquire rights and incur liabilities, acquire title to real estate and sue or be sued.

For example, a Gesellschaft mit beschränkter Haftung & Compagnie KG (GmbH & Co. KG) is a limited partnership with, typically, the sole general partner being a limited liability company. It can thus combine the advantages of a partnership with those of the limited liability of a corporation.

A dormant partnership (stille Gesellschaft) comes into existence when a person makes a contribution to an existing enterprise (company, partnership, sole proprietorship) and shares in the latter's profits. The dormant partner has no liability for the debts of the enterprise; in case of insolvency of the enterprise he is a creditor with the portion of his contribution not consumed by losses. Strictly speaking, the dormant partnership is nothing more than an 'undisclosed participation'.

A Civil-Law Association is not a legal entity and cannot sue or be sued. It is often used for single joint ventures (e.g. construction projects) and comes to an end when the joint project has been completed.

A Private Foundation (Privatstiftung) constitutes a conglomeration of property having legal personality but no shareholders; its activities involve managing its own funds and assets for the beneficiaries.

title: Kommanditgesellschaft