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From other sources I learn that a Sikkim king Phyag-rdor rNam-rgyal, born in 1686, invented the Lepcha alphabet in the 1720s. How does he fit in with the history here? Could he be Chadok Namgyal? Evertype 13:04, 2005 May 31 (UTC)

I read long ago that India undermined the monarchy, so that Sikkim would no longer be able to govern intself and would acquiesce to annexation. Is there any truth to that? Dvd Avins 01:17, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

the artcile didn't state how india formally absorb sikkim after it became a nation from the british empire, can we have some india history on this? 218.186.12.8 (talk) 00:17, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

doesn't this article make you feel that Sikkim was annexed by India forcefully against the will of the people of the state, giving a criminal Character to India while deliberately undermining the fact that Sikkim was absorbed in union of India after a valid referendum? This article is Biased, at many-a-places the Nepalese are mentioned as 'Criminals'. i'd suggest to bring more facts in the say rather than making baseless accusations.--Samitus mallicus 10:18, 20 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samitus mallicus (talk • contribs)

Ironic that Sikkim should be condemned as a puppet state of Britain - particularly actually it wasn't a puppet state. What would be so bad about that anyway, surely it is better than being invaded and annexed by India - which is what happened in 1975. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.197.15.138 (talk) 00:20, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

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Conquering of Sikkim
I do remember the events as reported in the newspapers when Sikkim was taken over by India.

Indian armymen were sent inside in the guise of help train the soldiers there. I feel that there was some bitterness created by the Indian side. And they suddenly took over the palace. And the royal family was kept in custody.

The PM of India of that time was continuing her father's policy of Hindi imperialism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.96.24.131 (talk) 08:42, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

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Valens Thessalonicus

Valens Thessalonicus was a Roman usurper during the reign of Emperor Gallienus.

Background
In June 260, Persian king Shāpūr I defeated and took Emperor Valerian captive at Edessa in Roman Mesopotamia. Valerian's son, Gallienus who had ruled jointly with his father, immediately became the sole Roman emperor. Gallienus, however, ruled the western portion of the empire and was far away from the threats of the East.

Without Valerian in the east, the border populations and their legions felt vulnerable and elected their own emperors to guarantee they would have leaders against foreign threats. After the capture of Valerian, the legions of Pannonia threw off their allegiance to Gallienus and proclaimed Ingenuus, their military commander, emperor. After Gallienus put down this rebellion and returned to Italy to deal with the Alemannic invasion, another Roman general in Pannonia, Regalianus, would attempt to take the throne.

Meanwhile, in Syria, Macrianus Major, one of Valerian's officers in charge of the treasury took advantage of the situation, gained the support of a key military commander, Balista, and claimed the throne for his two sons, Macrianus Minor and Quietus. In 261, after securing control of Egypt, Syria and Asia Minor, Macrianus Major and his son Macrianus Minor decided that they would travel west to Italy to confront and overthrow Gallienus. In their path to Italy, however, were the governors of the various Roman provinces with their military forces. One such governor remaining loyal to Emperor Gallienus was Valens Thessalonicus of the province of Achaea.

Valens' revolt
To eliminate the threat of Valens and clear the track east, Macrianus Major and his son sent Piso to Achaea to kill Valens.

Little, however, is actually known about Piso. The only source of information about Piso and his mission is the unreliable Historia Augusta. Piso is said to be a descendant of the gens Calpurnia and to have received the title Frugi for his severe virtues.

The details of Piso's actions at the time are also unclear. Ultimately, Piso journeyed only as far as Thessaly where he pronounced himself emperor assuming the name "Thessalicus," most likely a confused reference to Valens Thessalonicus. Later that same year Piso's short revolt was ended when he was killed by Valens' troopers.

Valens actions during this same period are also unclear. Sometime during 261 as Piso was on his way to kill him, Valens also claimed the Roman throne. It is not clear if this was done to enhance his standing as he confronted the threat from the east or if the title and position was imposed on him by his soldiers. Regardless, Valens' soldiers sought out and killed the usurper Piso and later assassinated him for reasons unknown.

Aftermath
Macrianus Major and his son attempted to march their army to confront Gallienus, but were defeated in Thrace in 261 by Aureolus, Gallienus’ Imperial Horsemaster. Macrianus and his son were killed in the battle. According to Joannes Zonaras, their army was encircled by Aureolus and surrendered. Macrianus asked to be killed with his son to avoid being taken captive.

Quietus who had remained Roman Mesopotamia was besieged in Emesa in 261 and killed by Odaenathus of Palmyra, a loyal client king of the Romans.

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Upper Soda Springs

Upper Soda Springs is on the banks of the Sacramento River in Dunsmuir, California, USA. It consists of approximately 15 acres (60,000 m2) of level ground on both sides of the River, the surrounding hillsides, and continues north along the eastern bank of the Sacramento River to the Dunsmuir City Park. The State of California and the City of Dunsmuir oversee a public park on this historic site. The Upper Soda Springs site contains a riparian ecosystem and includes its namesake mineral water springs. In large part because of its location on the Siskiyou Trail, the site mirrors the history of the state and of the American West.

Before the California Gold Rush
Before the California Gold Rush, the site had no permanent inhabitants. The nearest inhabitants, members of the Okwanuchu tribe, used the site as a temporary campground during the annual salmon fishing season. Another nearby tribe, the Wintu, likely did not have regular habitation sites this far north along the Sacramento.

The first European or American visitors in the area were likely hunters and trappers, including Hudson's Bay Company hunting and trapping parties headed by Michel Laframboise, coming down from the Pacific Northwest during the 1820s-30s. As early as the 1830s, a pioneer cattle drive led by Ewing Young, along what was to become known as the Siskiyou Trail from Mexican-controlled California to settlements in Oregon, stopped at Upper Soda Springs. In 1841, an overland party of the United States Exploring Expedition with cartographers and botanists entered the upper Sacramento River canyon, and recorded visits to mineral springs sites on the upper Sacramento River, including passing through Upper Soda Springs.

During and after the Gold Rush
The discovery of gold at Sutter's Mill in 1848, brought the Forty-Niners to California in search of riches during the California Gold Rush. For the next ten years, these prospectors spread from the original Gold Country region of the Sierra Nevada throughout the state. Discovery of gold near Yreka, California in 1851 greatly increased the traffic between California's Central Valley and Yreka, and north into Oregon and Washington.

Packers with mule trains joined the prospectors heading north, following existing Native American foot trails through rugged mountains, including the Sacramento River canyon. A rustic wayside hostel for these travelers was the first permanent habitation on the site, established in the early 1850s. During this same time, a band of Wintu, fleeing the predation of the Forty-Niners on the Trinity River, crossed the mountains, and settled near the springs.

In about 1855, a toll bridge crossing the Sacramento River was built on the site by pioneers Ross McCloud and Mary Campbell McCloud. During the next 30 years, the first stagecoach road between the Central Valley and Oregon passed through the site and a more substantial inn was developed, with a covered "springhouse" to allow the public to enjoy the "soda water" from the mineral springs (on the far right in the image above.) Notably, the name "Dolly Varden trout" was first given to a colorful local fish species by Elda McCloud, the daughter of Ross and Mary McCloud.

The arrival of the Central Pacific railroad in 1886 heralded still further expansion of the inn. Now known as the Upper Soda Springs Resort, it was a destination for well-to-do Victorian Era travelers who would come to "take the waters" at the mineral springs.

With the increasing usage of the automobile in the 20th century, vacation tastes changed, and the Resort closed by 1920. The property was subdivided, and became private residences and businesses.

Modern era
Beginning in the late 1990s, through public and private efforts, riverside parcels of the historic Upper Soda Springs Resort property were acquired and dedicated to park land. After restoration and construction in the acquired property, Tauhindauli Park and Trail now exists on the section of the historic Resort property that is alongside the river.

Tauhindauli Park and Trail
Tauhindauli Park and Trail has been developed along the beautiful Sacramento River on the former site of the Upper Soda Springs Resort in Dunsmuir, California. It consists of approximately one-half mile of riverside frontage, including approximately eleven acres of level ground alongside the river, and approximately three acres north along the eastern banks of the river to the Dunsmuir City Park in north Dunsmuir. Long a favorite local fishing spot, swimming hole, and a site of both historical and ecological significance, this special place has been improved to enhance its recreational opportunities and esthetics. Environmental work and levee restructuring was done which improved flood control for downstream communities. This is a river restoration project which has created a natural park with pathways that wind through native grasses and plants, no manicured lawns can be found.

Walking trails, fishing access, and picnic areas are available so the natural beauty of the Sacramento River can be enjoyed to the fullest. For ecological and flood purposes, riparian forests and meadows have been restored close to their original condition. Levees have been moved and built up for maximum protection for the Park from river erosion and to restore the watershed to the natural habitat which provides food and shelter for insects, birds, and other wildlife. The Park can be accessed from River Avenue from the south and Stagecoach Road to Upper Soda Springs Road from the north.

Tauhindauli Park and Trail originated as a project of the Dunsmuir Garden Club. Funding for this project came principally from the Cantara Trustee Council (using funds from the settlement following the Cantara Spill of 1991). There is a Friends of Tauhindauli Park 501(c)(3) organization which is providing restoration and enhancement projects for the Park.

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White Australia Policy
Hi, I just wanted to ask you why you deleted the reference to the White Aust Policy in the Dubbo page. I don't object to removing the reference per se, but I wanted to know your reasoning before doing anything else. Cheers! Andrew Kay 03:47, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your response. I tend to agree with you that bringing in thw White Australia Policy could muddy things a bit and am happy to leave it out.  In practice though, the WAP was specifically used to target indigenous australians - I remember an illustration from a school textbook that showed WAP propaganda including aborigines with foreigners (the justification was along the lines of "they don't deserve the country" - it went hand in hand with the concept of Terra Nullius)  The closest illustration to show this idea I could find online was at http://www.slv.vic.gov.au/pictoria/b/1/3/doc/b13818.shtml (this is all just an illustration of my OCD tendencies, not an attempt to get you to change your mind Andrew Kay 00:56, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Blackbirding
Hi Bainer, I am new to Wikipedia and don't know the protocols. I think the amount of blackbirding is controversial amongst historians. Windschuttle (the WAP 2004) denies it happened at all. The main referenced claims of blackbirding come from Peter Corris' Passage, Port and Plantation MUP 1973. Historians such as Henry Reynolds (who is usually diametrically opposed to Windschuttle) also tend to believe blackbirding was not common. In WAP, Windschuttle does not deny that blackbirding (ie recruitment by force, by kidnapping, by trickery) happened. He argues that there were a very limited number of instances of such criminal behaviour and that the recruitment of South Sea islander labour wound up being tightly regulated by the colonial governments (particularly Queensland) to prevent it. He argues that most recruitment was voluntary as evidenced by the fact that the same ships were able to keep visiting and recruiting at the same islands over and over again (if they'd behaved criminally on a previous visit wouldn't the locals have remembered?). Also there is evidence that particular islanders signed up for more than one 'tour of duty', ie they went one time, made some money, came home and later went back to make some more money.

I am interested that you were taught that blackbirding was common - who was the lecturer? in any case I think the case for blackbirding is overdone in the WAP article. This article has already resulted in much argy-bargy but I feel it should be changed slightly - how do you do this? porturology@bigpond.com.--Porturology 12:14, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

 * We looked at it in a subject taught by Keir Reeves, Anna Clark (Manning's granddaughter) and Pat Grimshaw at Melbourne Uni. We looked at the Windschuttle/Reynolds business aswell (Anna co-wrote the book on the History Wars). I'd have to dig up the materials to check out figures, but Pat Grimshaw has done a fair bit of work in this area, you might want to check out some of her writings.

 * If you think that something needs changing, then you can go ahead and change it, just click the "edit this page" link at the top of the page. Wikipedia encourages people to be bold. The issue would be that for a controversial topic, it's probably best to discuss any changes you want to make on the talk page first. You've already started doing that anyway, so that's good! I've put the standard welcome message above, you might like to read some of the tutorials and rules, they're quite useful. --bainer (talk) 13:02, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Australian electoral divisions
Hello, I "copied" the format of other Australian electoral division pages to create the Division of Throsby page, so don't feel bad about copying me too. :-) --Humehwy 09:04, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)

Deletion of Ferguson Cannon Lawyers
Hi I am just wondering why it is going to be deleted? I have put some solid effort in with citing and referencing and think it's worthy of being there to let people know what is happening in the community and what Billy Moore is also up to. I also think it adds value to people who would like to know more about the Sunshine Coast, Gold Coast, Brisbane and Queensland community. --ashplatz —Preceding undated comment added 08:11, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

I've expanded the article Grafton Bus Crash that you voted to delete. Please look again and consider changing your vote. Thanks. --ScottDavis 6 July 2005 14:55 (UTC)

VFD
I've expanded the article Grafton Bus Crash that you voted to delete. Please look again and consider changing your vote. Thanks. --ScottDavis 6 July 2005 14:56 (UTC)

Criteria_for_speedy_deletion/Proposal/3-C
Hello! Sorry to bother you, but since you voted on the earlier CSD proposal about unremarkable bands, it would be appreciated if you cast your vote for this version. It has been reworded to address concerns raised against the earlier wording. Please take a look at it and consider if you support or oppose it. Yours, Radiant_ >|< 08:21, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

Beecroft Peninsula
I've undone your speedy nomination and expanded the article a little bit with info I got from a Clusty search. Apparently this area has a high biodiversity and there's also support to make this area a national park. I hope you find the current state of the article acceptable. (If you know the code for an Australian geo-stub, feel free to replace my notice.) - Mgm|(talk) 12:18, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi
Hello-, the ISIBL is one of the major school basketball leagues in Singapore. Featuring the biggest schools, good teams and attendents in their hundreds. Everyone associated with an international school knows about this which is 12,000+, possibly even more. Please let me keep it. Thanks. --Sand-Bar 12:52, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

AFD
If you want to renominate an article for AfD, you must create a new page. Read the instructions at the top of the archive page. Thanks. Christopher Parham (talk) 06:31, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Done it for you, here. Christopher Parham (talk) 06:36, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Christine Fitzgerald
I removed the speedy tag from Christine Fitzgerald, because the article isn't nonsense, at least not in the speedyable sense. Take a look at David Icke, which the article links to. Icke has claimed that Fitzgerald told him that the Royal Family were reptilian aliens. - it sounds like he's, eh, quite a character. Whether or not Fitzgerald is notable enough for an article is debatable, although I think she is, but that would be a matter for AFD, not speedying or proding. Just thought I ought to explain why I took Vary | Talk 02:01, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Valley book shop
I see that you prodded Valley book shop, but this had already been prodded. Twice in fact. Prod should only be used once, because it is for uncontroversial deletions only. Please check the page history when proposing articles for deletion.

Please also use edit summaries, so that later people can see that you proposed it for deletion, or that people with the article on their watchlist can see that you're making a major change to the article.

I moved it to AfD. NickelShoe 16:30, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Edit summaries again
I see you have been asked before, but it's obvously necessary to remind you again. Do not add tags which can get an article deleted (PROD, AFD) without mentioning this fact in the edit summary. Thanks. Kappa 00:49, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing the mistake
I know its easy to forget the redirect, thanks for fixing it :) -- Tawker 05:37, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Ronald Collé
Why did you copyvio the entire article? I didn't see any reason to think the opening paragraph was a problem. Thatcher131 23:50, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The instructions are not entirely clear, however they do say to revert to a previous non-copyvio verison if possible. There is a question in the WP:CV talk page about sections but it isn't answered yet.  (Last month I blanked a section in Beverley Knight but left the rest of the article and no one complained.) To be on the safe side I reverted to a version from before the copied text was added.Thatcher131 00:17, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

AfD on Manchester councillor
Hi, I've brought up this AfD: Articles for deletion/Abid Chohan, which you had previously commented on a batch of Manchester councillors including Mr Chohan. I think he is one of the least notable entries. Perhaps you feel like commenting? JASpencer 14:11, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Copyright violation in Old Government House, Parramatta
I edited Old Government House, Parramatta to remove the copyvio, and therefore removed the speedy delete tag. You may want to take a look at the current version of the article. -- Eastmain (talk) 12:34, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Your comment on Articles for deletion/Redemptorists of Australia and New Zealand
Hi Porturology. Please note that your comment on the above-captioned AfD discussion was made after the entire discussion was already archived, resulting in a misleading impression of the state of the discussion at the time of closure. Rgds, Bongo  matic  01:59, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

How Much Do You Love Your Kid
A tag has been placed on How Much Do You Love Your Kid, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. If you plan to expand the article, you can request that administrators wait a while for you to add contextual material. To do this, affix the template   to the article and state your intention on the article's talk page. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. De728631 (talk) 22:37, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Ginger Snaps (band)
An article that you have been involved in editing, Ginger Snaps (band), has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Ginger Snaps (band). Thank you.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. FingersOn  Roids  03:06, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

CSD tagging problems
I see you recently came back to work on speedy deletion tagging after a long absense; welcome back. One thing people mentioned before you left that's still true: always make an edit summary saying that you're proposing that the article be deleted, and don't tag an article for speedy deletion without warning the most recent author. You can find the CSD user warning templates at WP:WARN, in the column called "Deletion notifications". Thanks. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 03:05, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Automatic patrolling of tagged pages at New Page patrol
Hi there. There is a suggestion to get a bot to patrol any New Page that an editor has tagged for CSD, AfD, etc. As someone who patrols a lot, your opinion is particularly welcomed. -- Ged UK  10:08, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Akoustic Odyssey
Hi there! Could you please tell me how you can tag a good looking and well formatted article about a band with 1400 Ghits for speedy deletion within only THREE minutes? -- Avant-garde a clue - hexa Chord 2  07:42, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

 * The article does not claim wp:band notability. AFD in progress Porturology (talk) 11:26, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

 * And all of that did you find out in three minutes, incl. a little own research? You must be really fast! I'd like to point you to an interesting read at WP:ANI. -- Avant-garde a clue - hexa Chord 2  19:07, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

 * Please also see WT:NPP. -- Avant-garde a clue - hexa Chord 2  23:42, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Prod
You didn't have to post the notice on my page, I just removed the speedy as A7 applies only to persons, websites and organizations, not their work (such as albums). You might also want to check out Articles for deletion/In Love & War (band) and WP:CSD A9. Admiral Norton (talk) 23:20, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No harm done and a little zealousness won't hurt anyone. :-) Admiral Norton (talk) 23:22, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Aren Ober (formerly Savalan)
Thanks for letting me know. I put in a vote.--CyberGhostface (talk) 13:23, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of my article on A. H. Ahlbrand
My bad. I understand. I was trying to publish this in my sandbox, but, I guess I inadvertantly selected the incorrect location. There is historical merit to this article, but, I obviously need to include that proof "up front". Someone else stepped in and saved it to my sandbox which I greatly appreciate, otherwise I would have lost the contents. Jeff.mcginley.indy (talk) 12:10, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

AfD: Lil Henchmen
The AfD process seems a little confusing to me, can you tell me what happened with this article vs what should have happened? I would have taken it to the AfD process once the speedy deletion was yanked, but wasn't sure how to do it. (Yes. I've read the instructions, but those seem unclear.) Any help would be appreciated since I don't want to get into another tug of war like yesterday. JustAKnowItAll (talk) 01:19, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: Kenneth J. Kremer, RN, CCRN .....speedy deletion?
Porturology:

I thought this was notable as there is not much support of Men in Nursing on the prominent nurses wikipedia. Kenneth J. Kremer, RN, CCRN is a modern day role model for men in nursing. He also is receiving a "Stars of Life Award" by the American Ambulance Association for critical care nursing above and beyond the call of duty while providing life changing, life saving interventions over the road in an ambulance on a 40 mile + run to a higher level of care hospital that turned this patient around. The patient went from near death to being discharged home a few weeks later. The award is being presented by Bruce Jenner in Washington DC on May 3 2009.

This was a guideline that I followed.

Any biography

* The person has received a notable award or honor, or has been often nominated for them. * The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field.[7]

(Joules360 (talk) 19:08, 13 April 2009 (UTC)). Joules360

Kenneth J. Kremer, RN, CCRN....speedy deletion...
Porturology:

I understand your reasoning for deletion. I am the person in this autobiography....as you are well versed on the Joules360 nick as being the highest setting on the monophasic defibrillator. I understand that there is no "Stars of Life" noted in wikipedia. I wonder if I could do a write up on that and then just reference Kenneth J. Kremer, RN, CCRN as a recipient. What would I need to do that? The actual awards are not being presented until next month.

Thanks, (Joules360 (talk) 04:12, 14 April 2009 (UTC)). Joules360

that vandalism page
Hi Porturology, I've just deleted a bio that you nominated for deletion, but can I just make two little points? Firstly when there are negative things in a bio please don't quote them when you warn the author as the warning itself is publicly on the Internet. Secondly attack pages are worth tagging as  that way they get deleted quicker as they go to the front of the queue, and also a more serious warning is generated. Thanks and once again good call on wanting it speedy deleted.  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  11:53, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No probs, if you have similar buried attacks in future you can replace them with that way the diff shows the admin exactly what the attack was, and if anyone else wanders by before the page is deleted they won't see the attack. PS When you go back and sign your comment on mytalk page you might want to reconsider the template you left there;-)  Ϣere  Spiel  Chequers  15:46, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Spark (Keenen Davis)
Hi, recently you added a delete think onto one of my pages. I don't really care; but if you'd like to read the book, I encourage you to; my friends think it's awesome! Don't worry, I'm not mad! I'll delete the page until I get it published. Bye!

- Ikorinthian (talk) 06:34, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Stop Drop N Skank
Hi, I just wanted to ask why you added the speedy deletion tag to the Stop Drop N Skank page? They are a major band within the Toronto ska scene quickly rising to the top recently becoming acquainted with Stomp Records and regularly opening for bigger bands such as Mustard Plug, Planet Smashers and the Creepshow. They have been continuously active since 2005 and created one album so far. The second album is to be released the summer of 2009 with Stomp Records. What is your reasoning for adding the speedy deletion tag onto this page? Also, if possible, please assist me in creating the talk page as i do not have much experience editing. Thanks! (Saib0tx (talk) 23:55, 2 May 2009 (UTC))
 * I have answered this on your talk page Porturology (talk) 02:21, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Redirect of KIIT Group of Institutions
I don't know why you redirected the article KIIT Group of Institutions to KIIT University. But for information the KIIT Group of Institutions is a educational trust which runs a lot of institutions and KIIT University is a part of the group. So, the group can have a separate article. I am already editing the article, so that it becomes clear. Already explanation has been given at Talk:Kalinga_Institute_of_Industrial_Technology_University. Pls, kindly give the feedback at the before mentioned talk page. Amartyabag  TALK2ME  08:59, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Tagging for speedy deletion
Hi Porturology. Thank you for your work on patrolling pages and tagging for speedy deletion. I just wanted to inform you that I declined to delete Pisasu, a page that you tagged for speedy deletion under criterion A3 because of the following concern: A3 only applies if there really is no content or the only content is chat-like, external links etc. If the problem with the content is that it fails WP:NOT (like here WP:NOTDIC), A3 cannot be applied. Please review the criteria for speedy deletion and especially what is considered Non-criteria. In future you should rather tag such pages for proposed deletion or start an appropriate deletion discussion. Regards  So Why  09:13, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk Page
Don't mean to sound pushy and all, or rude, but I don in fact have the right to remove message from my talk page. A pplet  on  01:54, 10 May 2009 (UTC) Toddst1 (talk) 02:17, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Twinkle rocks, doesn't it? Toddst1 (talk) 05:27, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

May 2009
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Toddst1 (talk) 02:18, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Users are allowed to remove warnings from their talk pages. Doing so is considered acknowledgement of them. Users are not allowed to remove declined templates during a block, sharedIP templates or confirmed sockpuppet tags. Hopes this clarifies. Toddst1 (talk) 02:20, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of albums
Hi. You tagged Proudly Dressed with a db-band template. But as an album, this article is not eligible for speedy deletion under the A7 criterion. It was under the A9 criterion that this article should have been tagged with a db-album or db-song template. --  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 12:40, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Florida State Board of Administration
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George Foreman III
He is officially a pro boxer and should have his own page. If that doesn't deserve to be an article I don't know what does anymore. You may not follow boxing, but people who do would be outraged that he doesn't have an article. I was going to add more to the article today, but SOMEONE had to delete it. And come on he's following in his fathers footsteps and is going to get huge publicity.--Fire 55 (talk) 21:08, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

SupJustin.com
SupJustin.com is a website that publishes content that is exclusive to itself. It is a reliable source that is covered by MTV and Alternative Press. - Varsityhero (talk) 1:13 14 June 2009

I see what you mean.
Man, there's nothing worse on this site than a guy like that who just keeps on keeping on without the slightest acknowledgement of other editors. Are all those redirects you had to make necessary? I'm only asking as someone completely unfamiliar with Krishna Consciousness and whether all thos "HH" prefixes are important. Glad to have been of service. :) --PMDrive1061 (talk) 06:04, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Reported Gunter for vandal
Made a vandal report on the above. 13:52, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion Converted to PROD: Skiing (sex)
Hello Porturology, and thanks for your work patrolling new changes. I am just informing you that I have changed a page you tagged (Skiing (sex)) from being tagged for speedy deletion to being tagged for proposed deletion. The speedy deletion criteria are very narrow to protect the encyclopedia, and do not fit the page in question. Please review the criteria for speedy deletion before tagging further pages. If you have any questions or problems, please let me know. Thanks again!  So Why  12:59, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Steve Goff
I'm not questioning your judgment, so please do not think that, however, I am curious as to what it is in this article that is negative. Thanks, '''Javért | Talk 13:37, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Pokemon Indigo
I have given references and external links then why is it being deleted. It is being used by +500, 000 trainers are you are deleting it.--TZX Master (talk) 12:19, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

..
It is not a personal attack, he was in on the joke too so hush ya gumsz. Delete it if you want I dont care really its only wikipedia nothing important really. Haaaaarry (talk) 12:52, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion for Wild Soosh
Hello, thank you for your concern about this page, however, The Wild Soosh I am referring to is actually myself. I am in no way demeaning or threatening or poking fun at anybody, not even myself. I think if the page was re-read that would be clear. Can you please let me know what I can do to fix this page so that it does not get deleted?--Narvekar (talk) 10:25, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

dead irrelevant senator vs. current alive musician
Porturology, can you check out my talk page? HooshArted (talk) 03:21, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi
This is my first time to make my work.please let me copy a photo so i can finish my work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thezygs1 (talk • contribs) 04:33, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Miguel cagigas
Hello Porturology, and thanks for your work patrolling new changes. I am just informing you that I declined the speedy deletion of Miguel cagigas - a page you tagged - because: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. Please review the criteria for speedy deletion before tagging further pages. If you have any questions or problems, please let me know. decltype (talk) 10:30, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

NSW Labor leader
why would you link to a non existant page? Timeshift (talk) 04:07, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Again, why would you link to a non existant page? Timeshift (talk) 05:29, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Why would you link to a page that does not yet exist? Timeshift (talk) 05:40, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm happy now that it exists. WWGB (talk) 08:52, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Member lists
Bravo! This is a wonderful thing to see! Frickeg (talk) 04:01, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * They're huge, aren't they? Yeah, that's the way I understand it. Plus people were always being appointed to the Legislative Council, and that necessitated by-elections too. When I was making the first couple I intended to include ministerial by-elections too, but that would have been just too monstrous! Frickeg (talk) 04:07, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow! Keep it up! Frickeg (talk) 02:08, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Hey
Hey Porturology, no need to be over state your curiouisim we're human beings, but we are very sociologically curoius beings. I was born in the States but when I was young... very young... my father had to move us all to Australia for 5 years. I was 7 but have always had a keen intrest in politics, particularly Austral-American relations and politics (Im currently studying Political Science and American/ Australian relations throughtout the 20th/ 21st century at OSU. I was surfing the net after studying and came accross List of leaders of the Liberal Party of Australia (New South Wales Division) and saw that Pat Morton and Vernon Treatt didn't have articles in an article that I for goodness sake came accross (I go deep into the unknown). So I haven't been at this long but it is prety simple just copy and paste from the parliamentary website. But I got carried away and went into successors and predessessors. My brother also competed against Robyn Parker son at paper airoplane olympics and we keep in touch. I was also in Australia three weeks ago and am yet to upload all the pictures I have taken, but that is besides the point, Im rambling now. I thought it was just a little slack to see that those articles didn't exist, especially Vernon Treatt so I went ahead. If you would like me to stop that's not a problem. Or, if you would like to throw me a bone and give me some work that would be much appreciated. (Just if you would like the help). Thanking you Mruserbox (talk) 12:23, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Just clarify, Im not Kristina Keneally, I go to Ohio University and we were pretty stoked to see one of us go so far, so far away Mruserbox (talk) 12:23, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

I was just about to start on Athol Richardson, have you any plans for that article? Mruserbox (talk) 12:28, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Hey again, 3 of us study Austral-American relations, down from 5. Fortunately, I haven't had to endure much racisim whilst in Australia. When we lived in Australia we lived in Forster, New South Wales and now that Im a little more interested in former New South Wales members I have come accross Electoral district of Hamilton (New South Wales), Electoral district of Kahibah, Electoral district of King, Electoral district of Newcastle West, Electoral district of Paterson, Electoral district of Singleton, Electoral district of Western Division of Camden, Electoral district of West Maitland, Electoral district of Wollombi, Electoral district of Woollahra, Electoral district of Peats, Electoral district of New England, Electoral district of Macquarie, Electoral district of Kirribilli, Electoral district of Hunter, Electoral district of Gwydir, Electoral district of Albury. I will do Athol Richardson now and then move onto the members in the seats listed above. New South Wales Department of Health looks like another good place, has anyone ever thought about a template for all the NSW Ministers? It would make life a lot easier. Thanks, Mruserbox (talk) 02:18, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

 * I was nine when we came home. Athol Richardson is causing me a lot a problems now, he wasn't just the Minister for Health, but also Social services, Labour and Industry, Colonial Treasurer and Deputy Leader of the Opposition. How the heck do I put them all into the info box? Or should I just put Deputy Leader and seat and explain the rest in the body of his political carrer? Mruserbox (talk) 02:47, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Do you know much about copyrights? If there is a picture of a member of parliament who died before 1950, and it is on the parliment website, is it okay to upload it to wikipedia if the person was deceased long before the copyright expired? Mruserbox (talk) 10:18, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

 * As an aside you might want to look at the history/contribs on the above user's userpage. The user lives in Australia. Kudos definitely due to them for constructing such an *elaborate* block-evading sockpuppet, mind you... Orderinchaos 14:10, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Table
Fair question :) Two options to solve it:

1. Break the table and create a new one at that point. (That would be my preferred solution though it doesn't look as pretty) 2. Use colspan=2 on the two relevant fields to make them fit. This looks better but is less technically sound and may not work on some platforms. Orderinchaos 04:03, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with Orderinchaos above - the two separate tables is fine. Frickeg (talk) 04:10, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The WA one for example has a separate table per decade. (I do intend to combine at least some of them at some point, but the handy thing about doing it that way is that one can have notes underneath.) So there is precedent for it having been done elsewhere. Orderinchaos 04:15, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Brookfield in your by-election table
Just a heads-up - your description of the Brookfield casual vacancy in your by-election table is incorrect. Brookfield had two running mates from his rebel Labor party, one of whom would have been easily elected had a countback been held, and the other which would have been elected had the government followed the letter of the quirky casual vacancies legislation at the time.

The Storey government realised that under said quirky legislation, because Brookfield had supported Labor in confidence votes, they could ignore the existence of his running-mates altogether and nominate Jabez Wright, the defeated Official Labor member and a bitter opponent of Brookfield.

I have no idea how to explain that succinctly, though I'll probably write a couple of articles on the whole mess soon. Any idea how to incorporate that into the article? Rebecca (talk) 11:37, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

 * That sounds like a good way of doing it for now. Ta :) Rebecca (talk) 12:55, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
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Note
Hello I noticed that you tagged some articles with "db-person" and then placed at the bottom you place "courtesy blank". I would just like to remind you that you can use db-attack for that purpose. Not trying to be offensive, just trying to remind you. Happy editing! Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:40, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Reverting vandalism
In case you didn't see it before the bot cleared it: Re: 3rr Cheers —DoRD (talk) 02:48, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for the explanation Porturology (talk) 02:50, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Lang Labor at state level
Hi - saw your change to Electoral district of Phillip. I've been uncertain about how to handle Lang Labor at state level for a while (apart from the very limited 1940s version, which is easy). As I understand it, all NSW Labor MPs were "Lang Labor" between 1931 and 1936. I don't know how we should show this, seeing as NSW Labor was the main Labor party in NSW and "Federal Labor" (which won no seats) was the breakaway. As such I've been leaving them as Labor. Thoughts? Frickeg (talk) 04:46, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds good - I'll let you raise it at WT:AUP, since you've been doing a lot of work on NSW politics lately. And yes, I reckon there are only three or four really active editors on Australian politics at the moment, which means we'll have our work cut out for us once the federal election starts and we get bombarded with POV from left, right and centre (literally). Hopefully we'll get some new faces soon, or some old ones back on board. Frickeg (talk) 06:11, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * By the way, regarding colours: there is a template for the ALP (NSW): Template:Australian politics/party colours/Labor (NSW), although it uses the same colour as the Lang Labor and Non-Communist Labor ones, since they are broadly affiliated. Frickeg (talk) 00:18, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

1950 election
I think there's a slight error in the results table - independent Labor and Lang Labor are listed as having exactly the same number of votes, with different percentages of the vote.

Congratulations on getting every bio in the 1950-1953 parliament done, as well - that's a phenomenal effort, and I've been watching your progress and watchlisting them as they come along. It's fantastic now to see a page of blue links where you wouldn't expect it. Rebecca (talk) 17:46, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * What she said. Bravo! Frickeg (talk) 02:28, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow - that's a big task; good luck! I got them back to 1988 myself, and I may try and go back a bit further to help you out, although my current pressing task is to get federal election results done before the federal election. I think we've both got uphill battles ahead of us, but here's hoping we can get there! Frickeg (talk) 03:55, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll also try and help out a bit on this front, but am mad busy at the moment - hence my lack of activity lately. Rebecca (talk) 03:58, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Ultra-minor quibble - don't forget succession boxes! I'll try and help out adding them to the existing articles. Frickeg (talk) 04:15, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks like I was premature here - you've got most of them. By the way, any objections to moving Tom Armstrong (1903-1957) to Tom Armstrong (Australian politician)? Frickeg (talk) 04:36, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Ooh, tough one. (Hadn't seen the other Armstrong.) The first thing is to definitely have a disambiguation page at the (Australian politician) version. There's nothing wrong with having birth dates in this situation, although my personal preference would be for (Australian Liberal politician) and (Australian Independent politician), which I admit is a little unwieldy. Frickeg (talk) 05:54, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a plan (although we'll still overlap now and again, since some people served for ages). And by the way - any idea where we can get good lists for the Leg Council? (Or, even better, Leg Council election results/candidates?) Frickeg (talk) 06:36, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * OK. I'll try and get some done when I'm tired of doing election results and need a break. (And the LC was indeed frustratingly vague before direct election - I remember a blog post from Antony a while ago that made it seem as though he was still working on the LC elections (including pre-1978), but I guess it's a big task and he's not publishing it until he finishes. On a side note, aren't his Assembly pages at the NSW Parliament website fantastic? They often have interesting tidbits for bios that the Member register ignores, too.) Frickeg (talk) 09:10, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Just noticed this - NSW LC results prior to 1978 are a colossal pain in the butt to assemble, because there's indirect elections at random times, and I barely got further than a term before deciding it was all too hard and giving up. The big statistical register PDF should be enough to actually compile them if you work out all the details of whose term expired when, but it's going to be a nuisance. It's a shame that Antony Green's results page never arrived - considering that there's three elections in the next few months I dare say it won't be coming soon. Rebecca (talk) 14:30, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * And speaking of NSW politics, feel like getting involved in a terribly silly discussion going on here? Frickeg (talk) 03:56, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Would be grand if you could repeat what you wrote on my talk page - should hopefully end this breathtakingly stupid argument. Rebecca (talk) 03:58, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

MPs
Sure, would be happy to! Will probably wait a few days - my computer is stuffed and I'm on an antique old Mac that's a pain in the butt to use, but once I have it back, I'll get stuck into it. Rebecca (talk) 14:27, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

 * Heh! You and Frickeg are the two writing regular contributions to my areas of interest, so I keep a pretty close watch on your contributions list. Noticed that you beat me to Ian Griffith - so I guess it's on to Nick Kearns... Rebecca (talk) 22:05, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

 * Sounds fine by me. Rebecca (talk) 02:40, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Heh, thanks. You two have done an amazing job too - it's been pretty light going in the 80s. Sorry I'm taking so long ... I'm trying to do MLCs as well, which is slowing me down a bit. By all means start going back before 1950 - I was going to suggest that next anyway! (As to election results - it's up to you, of course. I've already done NSW, which is probably your main area of interest ... and, having come so far, it would be nice to get them done myself. But by all means join in if you enjoy results. I mean, unlike most people, I do actually enjoy them - you find the strangest results here and there (the Greens topped 10% in Capricornia in 1990!). Sounds like you've got your work cut out with NSW MPs anyway though ... hey, once all NSW MPs are done, feel like moving on to Victoria? ;) Frickeg (talk) 02:46, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

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Politicians
Tell me about it! There's just one left there - Albert Sloss - I'm going to write up a proper article on him because he's such a famously dodgy figure.

If it's alright with you, I'm next going to start from 1930 and work back towards where you are, since I'm particularly interested in the Lang era. Is that okay? Rebecca (talk) 09:32, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Quick question - where did you source the common names for some of these 1930s-era MPs? There's some, like Wilf Ratcliffe, that I can't find any sources for. Rebecca (talk) 16:31, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Doesn't it feel great to have achieved this? Just goes to show, I guess. I might start at 1900 and move forwards - that way I shouldn't run into either of you too much. Frickeg (talk) 21:49, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Well, considering how quickly the three of us knocked over 1950-present, I reckon 1856 should be doable! (Although we should start including MLCs in there somehow, if we can ever work out the lists for them ...) Frickeg (talk) 22:01, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

 * By all means go ahead with elections ... ANU has both the 1856-1901 and the 1901-1970 registers in reference, so when I'm back there in a week or so I'll have a look at them. A great source for the elections is The People's Choice, three volumes of NSW electoral history from 1901 to 1999, edited by Michael Hogan and David Clune - definitely worth a look if you haven't seen them already. Frickeg (talk) 22:12, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

No worries - will do them as I go. And yes, by all means go ahead with elections - bit strange if we have articles on all the MLAs but not the elections. Rebecca (talk) 03:16, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

 * One other thing I wanted to ask - I notice for some of the early parliaments you've switched the footnotes over to a table system. I'm not opposed to using that; it's more sortable, for one; but in its current form it doesn't work with the automated footnotes, and also seems to struggle to explain some of the more complex events (like that parliament where there was a chain reaction of about six changes) - anyway, whichever system would we use, it'd be good to get things consistent across the pages. Rebecca (talk) 04:17, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Hey, if you're disambiguating articles, you might want to check the main article - Lewis Martin is an American politician, so the Australian guy should be at Lewis Martin (Australian politician). Cheers :) Rebecca (talk) 11:12, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Going well!
Nice one! Not to mention this. Any chance that source of yours could help buff up Liberal Democrat Party (Australia)? (I created it ages ago basically from a tiny note on Psephos.) By the way, I'm thinking the LDP should be moved to Liberal Democratic Party (New South Wales), per one of my offline sources - does your source agree?

By the way, I've found in the past that it's a good idea to add the WikiProject tags (generally and  ) to the talkpages of articles you create (without rating them, of course, unless they're lists). Makes it a bit easier for the tireless people like Grahamec who do heaps of work with article ratings (it puts them in all the categories of unassessed etc., not to mention the living= parameter in WPBio which categorises them into living or non-living people). Frickeg (talk) 07:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

 * The guy was called Eric White, I remember ... it sounds like the People's Choice books might be the best source after all. Hopefully I can get at them here as well (as I have shifted locations since we last spoke).

 * For biographical articles, I generally add and , which seems to cover it pretty well. Frickeg (talk) 02:05, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

 * That's interesting about the two E Whites (I didn't get the links - I'd need to be logged on - but I got the drift, thanks anyway). My source only mentioned Eric, so it may be in error. I've had a look through the LDP's results in the 1943 federal election, where they contested nine seats, and it's really interesting in that they're a completely mixed bag. The best result is Eden-Monaro, where Denzil Macarthur-Onslow got 21.7% and came second (beating the sitting UAP member), and they also reached double figures in Parkes and Parramatta. The rest of the results are below 6% (some even below 2%), with no apparent geographic correlation, which makes me think that a great deal depended on the candidate. (WP:OR, but interesting anyway!) Frickeg (talk) 05:13, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Nice work! Caution needs to be taken using the SMH as a source though - the book I used said that it was ferociously aggressive towards the LDP and came close to running a vendetta against it. Frickeg (talk) 07:34, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Yes - hard to imagine the SMH as a bastion of staunch conservatism, but so it once was. I figured that was what had happened with the copyedits (just minor grammatical stuff anyway) - should be sorted now. And yes, the LC lists are arduous indeed. I've compiled a Word document listing them all chronologically - which took ages in itself - and am now going through the process of transforming them into lists. The NSW Parliament site's inconsistencies make it harder sometimes, too, plus occasionally they just forget to mention which party an MP was from and I have to assume they were an independent (any independents in the tables should therefore be taken with a grain of salt). Should be easy enough back to 1934, though - before that there were no fixed terms, so it'll be chaos. Still a way off though! Frickeg (talk) 07:43, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

New South Wales state election, 1968
Nice work with this article! I'm not sure about certain parts of the formatting (table form for the redistribution for example), but it's great to see this serious gap in NSW politics articles being filled! Anyway, this is just a quick note to let you know that there are CSD templates for deleting your subpages when you're done with them, since I saw you'd blanked your draft page in your contribs. Frickeg (talk) 10:50, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I've left NSW politics aside to focus on federal at the moment - but I'll be back to it! As for redistributions ... I wonder if prose is not the best way to go. I know that NSW redistributions tend to be rather more sweeping than federal ones, but I find the summary at Australian federal election, 2010 quite helpful. I get the feeling that redistribution tables are just one too many - we've already got the infobox, the results tables, the seats changing hands, the pendulums ... we need to get some text in there, or these articles will never be more than a collection of raw facts. Frickeg (talk) 00:56, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * RE the Independent Liberal colour - I'd be much happier with it the same as the normal Independent colour. Giving them a colour of their own implies that they're a party, when actually they're still independents, just using a slightly more specific term. Thoughts? Frickeg (talk) 03:39, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you make very valid points, especially considering the way they have often aligned themselves, but I'd personally rather show that by linking them (to Independent (politician) or perhaps as Independent Liberal) but keeping them grey. I know what you mean about the tables - they require all that coding, and I don't know how to test it in the sandbox either - but I don't think having a couple of grey ones is a problem. As far as I am aware (and correct me if I'm wrong here) the "Independent Liberal" or "Independent Labor" terms have never appeared on ballot papers (I know, of course, that no party names would have appeared until relatively recently), and I don't think that the parliaments have ever formally recognised them as anything other than Independents. Having said that, it is undoubtedly true that convention is to give them the Ind Lib or Ind Lab designation. I think we've got two different, valid approaches here, and I agree that we're unlikely to get too much response from WT:AUP - Rebecca would probably have an opinion, though. Although, thinking further on it, this does affect non-NSW areas as well, so perhaps it might get some interest. Frickeg (talk) 04:53, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

NSWLC
What a great resource! Thanks for letting me know. I'll try and get back to the LC lists when the federal results are finalised (they're the most pressing task!) - and those lists should help with the early Council enormously. Frickeg (talk) 04:12, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Hawkins
Eck. Might have been an error - feel free to move it back! Rebecca (talk) 13:03, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Laura Massey
I am new to Wikipedia and have created a page for Laura Massey that you tagged for speedy deletion. Can you please provide me with an explanation as to why I am not allowed to create this page? The message I got referred to an earlier deletion debate/discussion that took place -- would I be able to view this discussion to find out why the article is being deleted? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agentostrich (talk • contribs) 18:41, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply! I have read through the deletion discussion and have tried to frame my arguments to contest the speedy deletion with reference to the moderator's complaint re: notability. It seems like a long shot, but I figure this is a good way to learn more about how Wikipedia works and get involved in the community. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agentostrich (talk • contribs) 19:07, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Tom Dalton

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Evulsion
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Disputed Speedy Deletion of Biddle v. Perovich
Hi Porturology! I wanted to let you know that although I agree Biddle v. Perovich should be deleted in its current format (hence my PROD), I have disputed your speedy deletion tag of Biddle v. Perovich. That is because my understanding is case law itself is considered public domain, and not subject to copyright infrinments. In any case, even if there is copyright on case law (which some jursidictions are still trying to figure out), this case is from 1927 and the copyright would have expired. The problem in this case is it is just a copypaste of a primary source, and hence deletable, but not under any of the speedy deletion criteria. Singularity42 (talk) 13:52, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Altered speedy deletion rationale: How to add new information
Hello Porturology. I am just letting you know that I deleted How to add new information, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, under a different criterion from the one you provided, which doesn't fit the page in question. Thank you. Salvio Let's talk about it! 13:04, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

BLP prod
Hi there, regarding your BLP prod of Charles Luney, I've removed that again. He died in 2006, and it quite clearly says that in the article.  Schwede 66  12:09, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Your Suggested Deletions
I am puzzled by the disproportional efforts by you to suggest deletions of different pages in Wikipedia, which I feel is in sharp contradistinction to the very spirit of Wikipedia. I looked at the list of your prior deletions contributions and feel that many of them were quite useful if they had remained in Wikipedia. Not withstanding the likelihood of my own personal bias against your agenda upon suggestion to delete burnt-out diabetes mellitus, I feel that in the arena of science and art we would exercise higher level of tolerance for new ideas and that we need to be more forthcoming and open minded, rather than attacking new pages and themes that are not consistent with the traditional way of thinking and flag them for deletions. History has shown that paradigm shifting ideas encounter resistance by traditionalists and conservatives. Whereas we should all agree that conservatives should be free to exert their rights and freedom as they see fit, we should also hope that this is not at the expense of slowing down the process of advancement of science and art under the flag of "suggested for deletion". In my opinion, and I may be biased, such efforts are not very different from traditional vandalism and, hence, can be referred to as ""regulated vandalism"" or neovandalism. I welcome civil and non-hostile discussions on this subject. burntout123.burntout123].--To_Expand_Tolerance_ 17:53, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Alana Maddox BLPPROD
I've had to decline the BLPPROD here because of the strict letter of WP:BLPPROD, but you're welcome to take this to PROD or AfD if you believe they are appropriate. Best, --joe deckertalk to me 01:24, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Eyyub Yagubov
I really don't see why you put a speedy deletion up. I just started working on it. A person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 02:14, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Moving article to user space
I see that you moved Eyyub Yagubov to User:Since 10.28.2010/Eyyub Yagubov. For future reference, when you do this you should then tag the resulting redirect at Eyyub Yagubov with Db-r2 or db-rediruser to request deletion of the redirect. This is because it is not acceptable for a page in main article space to redirect to a userspace page. JamesBWatson (talk) 09:58, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Point noted - many thanks Porturology (talk) 12:11, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

thanks  A person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 22:14, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion converted to PROD: Cerno LLC
Hello Porturology. I am just letting you know that I have converted the speedy deletion tag that you placed on Cerno LLC to a proposed deletion tag, because I do not believe CSD applies to the page in question. Thank you. Danger (talk) 09:34, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

About Penrith National Park
Hi Porturology!

Apologies if this appears to be treading on your toes, but I've WP:AfD'd Penrith National Park. I agree with your WP:CSD tagging, but I think this is the best way to avoid teh unnecessary dramahz. Hope this is OK with you.

--Shirt58 (talk) 11:01, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Your article has been moved to AfC space
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Speedy deletion converted to PROD: Fly Away (Blackfoot album)
Hello Porturology. I am just letting you know that I have converted the speedy deletion tag that you placed on Fly Away (Blackfoot album) to a proposed deletion tag, because I do not believe CSD applies to the page in question. Thank you. JohnCD (talk) 15:21, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

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Articles for deletion
Feel free to tell me about your relationship with John. Castlemate (talk) 11:12, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for explaining your relationship with John. None of what you said seemed particularly relevant to the article or its deletion but it did convince me that your initial comment on the deletion page was rude and disrespectful. I also have a view of him personally but know that has no bearing on his inclusion on Wikipedia.

 * "... feel free to delete this message if you wish"
 * I did remove your comments as some of them weren't sentiments that I would want to remain on my page and I would be happy if you also removed my comments from your page.

 * "... it is a maxim that you should not speak ill of the dead but that probably does not apply when putting together an encyclopaedia article"
 * When discussing someone's suitability for exclusion in Wikipedia it is only appropriate to discuss facts, not your view of their personality, dead or alive.

 * "To me he was a complex and in many ways a lonely and quite difficult man."
 * If these personality traits were reasons for deletion, most of the world's great leaders would have their articles deleted from Wikipedia.

 * "To be frank he was not a particularly notable surgeon"
 * I have spent my life listening to surgeons criticise the surgical prowess of other surgeons. If it was left to surgeons to chose surgeons for inclusion in Wikipedia I doubt we would have a surgeon listed - the same could of course be said for barristers and architects.

 * "Rugby was ... amateur and very much an old boys’ network. The team doctor was an honorary position and I doubt if it was put out to tender."
 * Yes it was amateur and an old boys' network because most sport was amateur until recently and it was a boys sport until recently as well. If you are referring to an old boys' network in the sense of some elite and rarefied GPS/CAS clique then you are misguided. Rugby in NSW is, and has for most of its history been, a very "broad church". The Ella brothers and many other state-educated players from varying ethnic, faith and socio-economic backgrounds can attest to that. I suspect you are right when you say the position wasn't put out to tender but all the Sydney clubs at the time had doctors and all would have been possible contenders for the role that John undertook so the pool of talent available for selection would have been considerable. He was appointed and undertook the job with distinction.

 * "John had the connections, interest and available time to be the Wallabies doctor"
 * Malcolm Faser had the connections, interest and available time to be the Prime Minister of Australia.

 * "he would have been the first to admit that he had no particular skills in sports medicine ( which itself was very much an amateur speciality in those days)"
 * So let us celebrate him as a pioneer of a medical speciality especially given his founding chairmanship of the institute at Concord Hospital and for which he was honoured by his nation as read in his OAM citation.

 * "As for the OA, as you know it is chosen by a committee after a person is nominated."
 * That committee reporting to the Governor-General based on a community nomination seems to be a far superior award system to a party political leader nominating his mates to the G-G. Irrespective of your view, or my view, of the system, it is the national award process in Australia.

 * "As far as I am aware John was nominated by a particularly sycophantic registrar who had a habit of making AO nominations (he had successfully named his own mother-in-law and father-in-law, who were country GPS, the previous year).
 * Nominations for awards within the Order of Australia require a nominator and seven other referees. Those nominations are not made public and so I have no interest in idle gossip or one medico's opinion of another medico's personality. I would say in relation to this gossip that one nomination might appear to be an accident but three is definitely careless. If through this carelessness two hapless rural practitioners were honoured, then I am thrilled because I'm sure they are involved in their community in many ways over and above swiping a Medicare card.

 * "For these reasons I don’t think being the Wallaby’s doctor in the amateur era or an OA are automatically criteria for inclusion in Wikipedia."
 * For these reasons I couldn't disagree with you more and hope that others will see sense and support a Keep vote.

Cheers Castlemate (talk) 03:41, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

John Moulton
Hello again. In reference to the deleted article John Moulton (medical practitioner) I'm wondering if you might reconsider your opposition to this article. I have recently read WP:NRU and feel that it conclusively proves Moulton's notability for inclusion in Wikipedia. I hope you will agree and assist me in it being reinstated irrespective of your personal view of the subject. As a team official for a "High Performance Union" for a long period and particularly at the time of winning the Rugby World Cup he is clearly deemed notable by current standards. Castlemate (talk) 04:00, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

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Karun Treasure

Kârun Treasure is the name given to a collection of 363 valuable Lydian artifacts dating from the 7th century BC and originating from Uşak Province in western Turkey, which were the subject of a legal battle between Turkey and New York Metropolitan Museum of Art between 1987 and 1993, which were returned to Turkey in 1993 after the Museum admitted it had known the objects were stolen when they had purchased them. The collection is alternatively known as the Lydian Hoard. The items are exhibited in the Uşak Museum of Archaeology.

The collection made sensational news once again in May 2006 when a key piece, a golden hippocamp, on display in Uşak Museum along with the rest of the collection, was discovered to have been replaced by a fake, probably between March and August 2005.

Yet another term used for the collection is "Croesus Treasure". Although the artifacts were closely contemporary to Croesus, whether they should be directly associated with the legendary Lydian king or not remains debatable. Croesus' wealth had repercussions on a number of Asian cultures in a vein similar to his fame in the western cultures, and is referred to either as قارون - Qārūn (Arabic, Persian) or Kârun (Turkish), or Korah, with the mythical proportions of his fortune also echoed in various ways, parallel to the English language expression "as rich as Croesus". This explains why the term "Karun Treasure" took hold, and in any case, the king Croesus' Treasure consisted of more than 363 pieces and the tomb chamber tumulus where most artifacts were discovered (they originate from close but different sites) was that of a woman.

Discovery and smuggling
The main and the most precious part of the treasure comes from a tomb chamber of a Lydian princess reached through illegal excavations carried out by three fortune-seekers from Uşak's depending Güre village, at the proximity of which the tomb was located, at the locality called Toptepe. After having dug for days and unable to break through the marble masonry of the chamber door, they had dynamited the roof of the tomb in the night of 6 June 1966, to be the first to see the breathtaking sight of the buried Lydian noblewoman and her treasures after 2600 years. The treasure looted from this particular tomb was enriched by further finds by the same men in other tumuli of the locality during 1966-1967. The collection was smuggled outside Turkey in separate dispatches through İzmir and Amsterdam, to be bought by the Metropolitan Museum of Art between 1967–1968, at an invoiced cost of $1.2 million for 200 of the pieces within the collection.

Legal battle
The efforts made by successive Turkish governments to retrieve the collection were incited since the very beginning and followed until conclusion by the journalist Özgen Acar. Acar had chanced upon some pieces of the collection for the first time in 1984 in a Met Museum catalogue and had informed Turkey's Ministry of Culture of their clear provenance, while he also wrote several articles and pursued the bureaucratic channels within Turkey with insistence throughout the affair. He acted as a voluntary envoy of the Ministry within the frame of the judicial case launched in New York City in 1987 and brought to conclusion in 1993, at the same time as he was named consultant in the larger framework of the Turkey's participation in the work carried out by UNIDROIT regarding the protection of historic, cultural and religious heritage. Acar's name is also synonymous in Turkey for the retrieval of another set of smuggled archaeological goods, termed "Elmalı Treasure" in reference to their site of origin, the town of Elmalı in southwestern Turkey, and involving this time Lydian coins and extremely rare decadrachms dating from the period of the Delian League, with the Boston Museum of Fine Arts as his opposite party.

Uşak Museum case
The clear need for a museum worthy of the treasure was being voiced ever since the artifacts had returned to Turkey. With the seizure by the authorities of ten other illegally excavated artifacts in 1998, further archaeological discoveries and the known presence of eight gold pieces that had appeared in 2000 during an exhibition in a Paris private gallery for which attempts for retrieval were yet to be made, a handsome collection of base consisting of a total of 375 pieces was already accumulated. But the small museum in Uşak where the collection was placed, more focused on storage of Ushak carpets and operating under conditions of budgetary and staff restraints, did not fully meet the requirements for the preservation of Karu Treasure. Doubts about the site's suitability were reinforced by the filing of legal action against museum staff regarding the 2007 theft. Ten people were initially accused in relation to the hippocamp's replacement with a fake; the museum's former director was the only one kept in custody.

Curse of the treasure
Some in Uşak and beyond associate the treasure with a curse. Legend has it that the seven men who took part in the illegal digs "died violent deaths or suffered great misfortune".

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HNoMS Valkyrien

HNoMS Valkyrien, HNoMS Valkyrjen (in Norwegian the prefix KNM is used) has been the name of several ships in the Royal Norwegian Navy. Most of them have been in some way connected to the Royal Norwegian Navy's torpedo boats. The name honours the valkyries of Norse mythology. It has also been said that the ships have been given this name in honour of all women. Some of the ships:

 * The Dano-Norwegian gunship Valkyrien. Launched 10 March 1810. Decommissioned in December 1814.
 * Gun schooner Valkyrjen launched 1808 and decommissioned from the Royal Norwegian Navy in 1839.
 * HNOMS Valkyrjen – Launched 1896.
 * HNOMS Valkyrien (1953) – Formerly known as the passenger ship SS Polarlys
 * HNOMS Valkyrien (1965) – Formerly known as HMCS Toronto and HNoMS Garm.
 * HNOMS Valkyrien (A535) – The present support vessel for the Coastal Combat Flotilla.

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Victoria (ship)

Victoria or Nao Victoria (Spanish for "Victory") was a carrack famed as the first ship to successfully circumnavigate the world. Victoria was part of the Spanish expedition to the Moluccas (now Indonesia's Maluku Islands) commanded by the explorer Ferdinand Magellan.

The carrack (nao) was built at a Basque shipyard in Ondarroa. Along with the four other ships, she was given to Magellan by King Charles I of Spain (later Emperor CharlesV of the Holy Roman Empire). Victoria was an 85-tonel ship with an initial crew of about 42. The expedition's flagship and Magellan's own command was the carrack Trinidad. The other ships were the carrack San Antonio (carrack), the carrack Concepción, and the caravel Santiago (caravel).

The expedition began from Seville on 10 August 1519 with five ships and entered the ocean at Sanlúcar de Barrameda in Spain on September 20. However, only two of the ships reached their goal in the Moluccas. Thereafter, Victoria was the only ship to complete the return voyage, crossing uncharted waters of the Indian Ocean under Juan Sebastián de Elcano's command to sail around the world. She returned to Sanlúcar on 6 September 1522.

Victoria was later repaired, bought by a merchant shipper and sailed for almost another fifty years before being lost with all hands on a trip from the Antilles to Seville in about 1570.

Etymology
The Victoria was named after the Minim convent of Our Lady of Victory of Triana (Convento de Nuestra Señora de la Victoria de Triana [es]) in Seville, where Magellan took his oath of allegiance to CharlesI. The convent was subsequently deconsecrated during the French occupation of Spain during the Napoleonic Wars and later demolished.

Construction
While agreeing on its Basque origin, for a long period the vessel was thought to have been constructed in Zarautz, next to Elcano's home town Getaria. However, research conducted by local historians has revealed that the nao Victoria was built at the shipyards of Ondarroa in Biscay. It was originally called Santa Maria, owned by Domingo Apallua, a ship pilot, and his son, Pedro Arismendi.

According to a notarial document dating from 1518, the ship had been used in previous years for trade between Castile and England. Royal Castilian officials bought the ship at a set price of 800 gold ducats, a figure at odds with the estimation on the ship's real value provided by the accountant of Magellan's expedition, and accepted by the owners only against their will. The ship was renamed Victoria by Magellan after the chapel he frequented on his prayers in Seville, the Santa María de la Victoria.

Crew
The voyage started with a crew of about 265 men aboard five ships, however only 18 men returned alive on Victoria, while many others had deserted. Many of the men died of malnutrition. At the beginning of the voyage, Luis de Mendoza was her captain. On 2 April 1520, after establishing a settlement in Puerto San Julian in Patagonia, a fierce mutiny involving three captains broke out but was ultimately quelled. Antonio Pigafetta's and other reports state that Luis de Mendoza and Gaspar Quesada, captain of Concepcion, were executed and their remains hung on gallows on the shore.

Juan de Cartagena, captain of San Antonio, was marooned on the coast. According to Pigafetta, after Magellan's death on 27 April 1521, at the Battle of Mactan, remnants of the fleet tried to retrieve his body without success. Thereafter, Duarte Barbosa, a Portuguese man who had sided with Magellan in facing the mutiny, and João Serrão were elected leaders of the expedition. On 1 May 1521, they were invited by Rajah Humabon of Cebu to a banquet ashore to receive a gift for the king of Spain. At the banquet, most of the crew were killed or poisoned, including Duarte Barbosa and João Serrão, whom the natives wanted to exchange for Western weapons, but was left behind by the remaining crew. Pilot João Carvalho, who had survived the trap, then became the captain of Victoria. In August, near Borneo he was deposed and Juan Sebastián Elcano became captain for the remainder of the expedition.

Returning crew
Out of an initial crew of 260 people, only 18 returned to Seville with the Victoria. This was due to a scarcity in food, and a deadly outbreak of scurvy. Others had sailed back with the Santiago, which deserted near the Strait of Magellan. Yet others would return in the following months and years after having been made prisoner by the Portuguese.

They were:

Three of these survivors left written records. Elcano wrote a letter to the Emperor on the very day of his return with a brief summary of the trip, and provided additional information to authors such as Maximilianus Transylvanus. Francisco Albo kept a log book with the ship's positional data for every day of sailing. Antonio Pigafetta wrote a detailed first-person account of the voyage. His work, which he began compiling in 1522, was partially published in France around 1525 under the title "Le voyage et nauigation".

Voyage
The long circumnavigation began in Seville in 1519 and returned to Sanlúcar de Barrameda on 6 September 1522, after sailing 42000 mi, 22000 mi of which was largely unknown to the crew. On 21 December 1521, Victoria sailed on from Tidore in Indonesia alone because the other ships left the convoy due to lack of rations. The ship was in terrible shape, with her sails torn and only kept afloat by continuous pumping of water. Victoria managed to return to Spain with a shipload of spices, the value of which was greater than the cost of the entire original fleet.

Victoria was later repaired, bought by a merchant shipper and sailed for almost another fifty years before being lost with all hands on a trip from the Antilles to Seville about 1570.

Legacy
The Victoria was depicted in many sixteenth-century maps such as the Salviati planisphere or Abraham Orterlius's map of the Pacific Ocean.

A vignette of the Victoria forms the logo of the Hakluyt Society, a London-based text publication society founded in 1846, which publishes scholarly editions of primary records of historic voyages, travels and other geographical material. The logo appears on the cover of all the Society's published volumes.

Replicas
A replica of the ship was built in 1992 for the Universal Expostion of that year in Seville. It is now operated by the Fundación Nao Victoria. To commemorate the five hundredth anniversary of the first circumnavigation, the Fundación Nao Victoria, commissioned a second replica of the nao from the Palmas de Punta Umbría shipyards, which was launched on February 11, 2020, with the destination of becoming a permanent exhibition next to the Torre del Oro. The replica arrived in Seville on March 9, 2020.

In 2006, to celebrate the Bicentennial of Chile, an entrepreneur from Punta Arenas founded a project to build another replica of the ship. The search for the original plans of Nao Victoria took longer than expected and the project was delayed from 2006 to 2009. The replica was completed by 2011.

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