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Talk:Luis Carrero Blanco

Conspiracy theories
Should there be a section on the conspiracy theories behind the accomplice? Although most people say that ETA’s role is undeniable, did the US have a role in the assassination?

What is the significance of Franco’s “no hay mal que por bien no venga” comment in a speech four days later after the assassination? My contemporary history Complutense professor doesn’t know. Does anyone? --Patpecz 23:22, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Disputed paragraph
Obviously, this page is translated from Spanish. Few things cause people's blood to boil like ETA or Franco, but frankly, I find this section be a bit biased. Talking about Spanish jokes regarding any Spaniard's assasination is of questionable taste and probably irrelevant to the facts at hand, that is my first comment.

I haven't read the English page for ETA, so am not aware of where the terminology regarding "etarras" has settled in English, however, linking the assasination of Luís Carrero Blanco and the subsequent transition from the Falangist dictatorship of Franco to the restauration of the monarchy and later institution of Spain's 1978 constitution is pure conjecture.

The last year's of Franco's regime involved issues more complex than those presented here, and I believe the bias of author is showing in this regard.

I have no love for Franco nor ETA, but saying that transition from the Falangist dictatorship of Franco to the restauration of the monarchy and later institution of Spain's 1978 constitution is pure conjecture These paragraphs need re-assessment. -sirimiri 06:02, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Huh? Jokes? Anyway, just to add that I don't see any bias in here. I am studying Spanish History right now and that is just about what my textbook says. Carrero Blanco was one of the most prominent figures in Spain at the time, widely applauded as Franco's successor and in line with Franco's conservative policies. His death did make a difference towards the democratic transition, as Franco's later "successors" lacked his standing.

You don't see the bias? What about mass executions, when it was exactly five people executed, and not all of them Basques (large amounts!). I just corrected this point.--JoseFMartindelPozo 20:29, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

 * On which period do you count? Repression against Basque separatism lasted about the whole duration of the regime... Surely the Franquist regime executed more than five people... -- JidGom 14:51, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I have been trying to find exact figures, but found none. Anyway, executions (apart from the first few years after the Civil War) were exceptional. I daresay no more frequent than in contemporary USA. --JoseFMartindelPozo 21:51, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Seriosly, the part with the jokes about Carrero Blanco being the first spaniard on the moon should really be edited away, regardless of what it says in your history book. Such unneccessary and tasteless information has no place in Wikipedia. Wikipedia is supposed to be an encyclopedia, and thus should it not take part of the subjects of the articles. nor should Wikipedia take part indirectly, i.e. adding unneccesary information in the article, information that obviously is written to show the opinions of the author of the text.

What would be interesting to know, though, is what happened to the assasins, those who arranged the bombing. I have a slight memory that I read somwhere that they were caught and that they were to be garroted, but that Franco eventually - propably after reactions from the outside world - changed his mind and had the convicted persons executed by a firing squad instead.

The Spanish verision of this page says that the detonation charge was loaded with 100 kilograms of explosives, not a ton (=1000 Kilograms). Which one is correct? -SzymonSpengler October 3, 2005, 01:31 (CET)

 * According to the movie Ogro (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0079655/) at least the chief of the commando (Izzara) was alive 10 year after. I don't think any of them got caught... I tried unsuccessfuly to source the book by Julen Agirre... Sourcing this book would clear the explosive question too. JidGom 03:21, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Made some changes to the text to make it more fluid, but the content is essentially the same. There's a lot of discussion as to whether ETA are terrorists or "armed separatists" but the previous text said "independist" which doesn't seem like common usage in English to me...perhaps a direct translation of "independista"? At any rate, I modified it to simply say "members" of ETA, since that seems NPOV and  factual, without any added controversy.

Regarding the "moon" phrase, I still posit that it is irrelevant to the facts and should be stricken.

The current phrasing "his death forced the transition toward a democratic government in Spain" is an oversimplification and should be modified, in my opinion. To equate the assasination of one man (albeit influential) with modern, constitutional Spain popping out on the the other side of the rabbit hole is over-reaching.

Raymond Carr's "Spain 1808-1975" is a good reference book for details regarding the Franco era...having read the section about Blanco's assasination, I can find no mention of his death being "widely applauded by the liberal sector", much less any definition of who or what groups might have composed this "liberal sector". So we can better understand each other's positions, what is your source and what does it have to say?

I've said these things because I believe a topic like this, which is tangential to hot button issues like Franco/ETA, etc. should try to leave the debate on those pages and be as NPOV and factual as possible. -sirimiri 07:19, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I changed the wording making his death "instrumental" in the democratic transition and not "having forced it". Does it suits everyone? JidGom 16:36, 2005 Jun 23 (UTC)

Weighing in on the importance of Blanco death to the transition, I watched a documentary produced by the Spanish tv station RTV, part of Memoria de Espana. The documentary said the assassination killed the only person capable of continuing a Francoist regime. Considering the documentary's source, I think it mostly presents the accepted history, so Blanco's death seems to be considered very important to the transition.--Bkwillwm 8 July 2005 21:31 (UTC)

--- Anonymous Spanish user,

The text says Carrero was a monarchist... If that's true he could have acted as Suarez. Suarez was the first Spanish president after Franco. He "killed" Franco political structure from inside. I guess his intentions weren't clear and I thinks it's clear he couldn't talk about democracy being at a dictatorship and being a so close person to Franco. He would have been removed.

I think the earlier edit talking about his death being "instrumental" (JidGom 16:36 2005 Jun 23) helps move it towards NPOV, thanks for the contrib. I'm still not so sure about the "widely applauded by the liberal sector", perhaps we could put something more like "applauded by some liberal opponents of the Falangist regime"? That would be enough to remove the NPOV tag, in my opinion. Comments? -Sirimiri 06:47, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't think that we could call the late Franco regime "Falangist" personally, feel free to tone down the sentence a bit and remove the tag. JidGom 17:19, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

 * Okay, I've put in some less polarizing language and removed the tag. If only all Wiki-wording tussels were this civil :) Oh, also re-worked that last para a little bit, as there was some word repetition which was a bit laborious to read.
 * Sirimiri 07:58, August 20, 2005 (UTC)

Statement by ETA
I believe that the "manifesto" section added by Kaliz is blurring the line betwine this article and the one for Operación Ogro. In that, LCB was a member of government, etc. etc., later assassinated by ETA, but the particulars of that last action are best spelled out on the Ogro page, not on Blanco's. It's quite a lot of text and my opinion is it should show up once, on the Ogro page. Opinions? --Sirimiri 17:29, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

 * ...perhaps it should be suppressed altogether, is that it? The assassination is the standard marker that journalists and historians use to designate the beginning of the transition from the Falangist dictatorship of Franco to the restauration of the parliamentary monarchy and Spain's 1978 constitution: it would not be dismissed as "pure conjecture" by any neutral witness. I have added a reference to the US Library of Congress on this point, though I have not incorporated into the article this LoC assessment:
 * "Carrero Blanco had embodied hard-line Francoism, and he was seen as the one who would carry on the Caudillo's policies. His assassination precipitated the regime's most serious governmental crisis and interrupted the continuity that Franco had planned."

 * To say that the assassination was applauded by liberals is actually incorrect—because of the restrictions on the Spanish press in 1973, not because the liberals did not breathe a sigh of relief. If "Falangist" may not be applied to Generalisimo Franco because it is "polarizing", what kind of a rewriting of Spanish history is being insisted upon here, by a single individual?  --Wetman 03:06, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Accents in titles
[copied] Hallo! I see you moved Luis Carrero Blanco to Luís Carrero Blanco. As the author of the German version I found out by interwikis. AFAIK in Spanish Luis is written without accent as the accent lies on the "u", not no the i. Chigliak 20:52, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * In this case, I was just going by the orthography within the article. If the article was wrong, then it should be moved back and the article text should be changed accordingly. - Jmabel | Talk 23:54, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[end copied]

 * Just did that. Chigliak 13:45, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Opus Dei is non-political
I will remove Opus Dei in this phrase: Carrero Blanco and Opus Dei, without explicitly supporting political liberalization, aspired to economic integration with European markets.

Opus Dei encourages political pluralism. British historians Paul Preston and Brian Crozier state that the Opus Dei members who were Franco's ministers were appointed for their talent and not for their Opus Dei membership. Also, there were notable members of Opus Dei who were vocal critics of the Franco Regime such as Rafael Calvo Serer and Antonio Fontan, who was the first Senate President of Spain's democracy. The German historian and Opus Dei member Peter Berglar calls any connection made between Opus Dei and Franco's regime a "gross slander."

Offspring & Don
Any reason for using these honorary titles (Don & Doña) to refer to his offspring? Is this standard wikipedia?

In fact is there even any reason to mention them at all? The Spanish page doesn't, and they are not particularly important characters. Not a single one is linked to their own page. 77.192.9.175 (talk) 00:29, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Same for the admiral himself. And it is not an honorary title, at least not more honorary than "Mr." or "Signor" or "Herr". Some weirdo is going around the articles on Spanish personalities adding "Don" and "Most Excellent". Perfectly absurd. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.141.242 (talk) 13:35, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

What were his political views?
I can't believe that his lineage is so detailed but there is nothing here about his political or economic views. He was made the Prime Minister, there must be some research that discusses what kind of contribution he might have made. Undoubtedly, he backed Franco on most things (or he would never have been appointed) but he couldn't have been an exact clone. This article spends no time explaining why he might have been chosen to be Prime Minister by Franco. Is he truly a historic enigma, shrouded in mystery? 63.143.210.215 (talk) 20:13, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Controversy
"Since Carrero Blanco could have become the most powerful figure in Spain upon Franco's passing, his death was perhaps instrumental in the transition toward a democratic government in that country". I think this sentence should be deleted, for it may be interpreted as an apologia to ETA and it tries to justify this man's death, which is an insult to him. Furthermore, the reflection is completely subjective and not logical at all: Carlos Arias Navarro succeded Carrero Blanco as the President of the Government, and the Transition was carried out as well because the very Francoist Parliament decided that it was time to become a democracy and passed the Law for the Political Reform, in 1976.

Mario Ricci link
The article includes a link to the page of the cyclist Mario Ricci- is this the same individual linked with Avanguardia Nazionale or do they just happen to share a name? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rednotdead (talk • contribs) 02:27, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

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film reference
I just wanted to point out that his car bomb assassination was recreated in the fictional film "Balada triste de trompeta" (English title: The Last Circus) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572491/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.192.71.18 (talk) 16:54, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Trolling
Carrero Blanco was not an astronaut. 95.22.121.2 (talk) 21:20, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

The Spanish Astronaut
While I understand the wide public perception of the first Spanish astronaut colloquialism is from a meme, I provided a source that was created well before twitter was even conceived of. I don't understand why this keeps being reverted. APTerminator24 (talk) 04:38, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Claim is not in the source, the page that is cited is a recipe for a casserole. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 15:03, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

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Peerless Quartet

The Peerless Quartet was an American vocal group that recorded in the early years of the twentieth century. They formed to record for Columbia Records, where they were credited as the Columbia Quartet or Columbia Male Quartet. From about 1907, when they began to record for record labels other than Columbia, they were more widely known as the Peerless Quartet.

The Peerless Quartet was one of the most commercially successful groups of the acoustic era and made hundreds of recordings, including popular versions of songs such as "Sweet Adeline", "By the Light of the Silvery Moon", "Let Me Call You Sweetheart", and "I Want A Girl (Just Like The Girl That Married Dear Old Dad)". The group continued to record until 1928, with many changes of personnel. They were led until 1910 by Frank C. Stanley, and thereafter by tenor Henry Burr.

Formation and early years, 1890s–1910
The first cylinder recordings by the Columbia Male Quartet (or Quartette) were made in the late 1890s. The earliest version of the group included first tenor Albert Campbell, second tenor James Kent "Jim" Reynard, baritone Joe Belmont and bass Joe Majors. The same line-up also recorded in 1901–02 as the Climax Quartette for Climax discs, a predecessor of Columbia's own discs, although later recordings under that name were by a different group. Over the next few years, Reynard was first replaced by George J. Gaskin, and then, around 1902, by Henry Burr. Majors was first replaced by Tom Daniels and then, in about 1903, by Frank C. Stanley. On some recordings, Belmont was replaced by Arthur Collins or Bob Roberts.

By 1904, the group's membership had stabilized as tenors Albert Campbell and Henry Burr, baritone Steve Porter, and bass Frank C. Stanley. Frank Stanley (born William Stanley Grinsted) became the group's lead singer and manager, and, as freelance musicians, the group began recording for other labels as well as Columbia. They recorded as the Peerless Quartet for Zonophone from 1907; for the Victor Talking Machine Company from 1908; and for Edison's National Phonograph Company from 1909. The group's most successful early recordings included "You're The Flower of My Heart, Sweet Adeline" for Columbia in 1904, and "Honey Boy" for Columbia and Zonophone in 1907. In 1909, Arthur Collins replaced Steve Porter, who continued to record as a solo performer and in duos. They continued to have success in 1910, notably with "By the Light of the Silvery Moon", which they recorded for Columbia, Zonophone, and Everlasting, and "Silver Bell", recorded for Victor and Everlasting.

Peak of success, 1910–1918
Frank C. Stanley died of pleurisy in 1910. He was replaced in the group by John H. Meyer, and Henry Burr took over as their lead singer and manager, a position he retained until the group dissolved in 1928. The Peerless Quartet's popularity peaked in the years between 1911 and 1918. Their most successful recordings over the period included "I Want A Girl (Just Like The Girl That Married Dear Old Dad)" and "Let Me Call You Sweetheart" (both for Columbia in 1911); "The Ghost of the Violin" (Columbia, 1913); "Don't Blame It All On Broadway" (Columbia and Victor, 1914); "I Didn't Raise My Boy To Be A Soldier" (Columbia, 1915); "My Bird of Paradise" (Columbia and Victor, 1915); "The Lights of My Home Town" (Victor, 1916); "Over There" (Columbia, 1917); and "I Don't Know Where I'm Going But I'm On My Way" (Columbia and Victor, 1918). They also recorded and released the Irving Berlin-penned tune "At the Devil's Ball" (Columbia) with singer Maurice Burkhart in 1913.

In his book Pop Memories 1890–1954, music archivist and statistician Joel Whitburn assessed a variety of sources such as Talking Machine Worlds lists of top-selling recordings, and Billboards sheet music and vaudeville charts, to estimate the most successful recordings of the period. He concluded that the Peerless Quartet had 102 "top ten" hits in all between 1904 and 1926, and in the decade 1910–1919 had more successful recordings than any other musician or group. Although Whitburn's methods of assessment have been criticized, this broadly confirms statements that the group were the most popular of their era. In addition, Henry Burr, Albert Campbell and Arthur Collins also recorded very successfully as solo singers: Burr and Collins, in particular, were two of the most popular singers of the first two decades of the century. The group also accompanied other singers including Ada Jones, Byron G. Harlan, George O'Connor, and Irving Kaufman. Burr, Campbell and Meyer also recorded together as the Sterling Trio.

Later career and dissolution, 1918–1928
In 1918, Collins left the group and was replaced by Frank Croxton. The line-up of Burr, Campbell, Meyer and Croxton remained together until 1925 and continued to record for Columbia and Victor. They had diminishing success, but in 1922 made the first recording of "Way Down Yonder in New Orleans", later a rock and roll hit song.

After that line-up disbanded in 1925, Burr formed a new version of the Peerless Quartet, with himself, Carl Mathieu, Stanley Baughman and James Stanley. The line-up made a film at that time with Pathé Films. The quartet finally disband in 1928, though Burr continued to record thereafter.

Awards and recognition
The Peerless Quartet are acknowledged as one of the major influences on the development of barbershop vocal harmony music. They were inducted into the Vocal Group Hall of Fame in 2003.

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A London Symphony

A London Symphony is the second symphony that Ralph Vaughan Williams composed. The work is sometimes referred to as Symphony No. 2, though the composer did not designate that name for the work. First performed in 1914, the original score of this four-movement symphony was lost and subsequently reconstructed. Vaughan Williams continued revisions of the work into its final definitive form, which was published in 1936.

Instrumentation
The work is scored for:
 * Woodwinds: three flutes (the third doubling piccolo), two oboes, cor anglais, two clarinets, bass clarinet, two bassoons, contrabassoon
 * Brass: four horns, two trumpets, two cornets, three trombones, tuba
 * Percussion: timpani, bass drum, snare drum, triangle, tam-tam, sleigh bells, cymbals, glockenspiel
 * Strings: harp, and strings.

Structure
Vaughan Williams said that while the title may suggest a programmatic piece (and the work includes sounds heard in London such as the Westminster Quarters), it was intended to be heard as absolute music. In a programme note in 1920, he suggested that Symphony by a Londoner might be a better title. However, he allowed the conductor Albert Coates to provide elaborate descriptions for the 1920 performance.

The symphony is in four movements.

1. Lento – Allegro risoluto
The symphony opens quietly, and after a few nocturnal bars, the Westminster chimes are heard, played on the harp. After a silent pause, the allegro risoluto section, much of it triple forte, is vigorous and brisk, and the ensuing second subject, dominated by the wind and brass, is no less so (evoking "Hampstead Heath on an August Bank Holiday" and referencing ‘have a banana’ from the popular song Let's All Go Down the Strand – written a few years earlier).

After a contrasting gentle interlude scored for string sextet and harp, the vigorous themes return and bring the movement to a lively close, with full orchestra playing fortissimo.

2. Lento
The movement opens with muted strings playing ppp. Vaughan Williams said that the slow movement is intended to evoke "Bloomsbury Square on a November afternoon". Quiet themes led in turn by cor anglais, flute, trumpet and viola give way to a grave, impassioned forte section, after which the movement gradually subsides to its original quiet dynamic.

3. Scherzo (Nocturne)
In the composer's words, "If the listener will imagine himself standing on Westminster Embankment at night, surrounded by the distant sounds of The Strand, with its great hotels on one side and the "New Cut" on the other, with its crowded streets and flaring lights, it may serve as a mood in which to listen to this movement." In the definitive score, the movement revolves around two scherzo themes, the first marked fugato and the second straightforward and lively. The piece closes with muted strings playing pppp.

4. Finale – Andante con moto – Maestoso alla marcia – Allegro – Lento – Epilogue
The finale opens on a grave march theme, punctuated with a lighter allegro section, with full orchestra initially forte and appassionato. After the reappearance of the march, the main allegro theme of the first movement returns. Following this, the Westminster Chimes strike again, this time the harp plays the first three-quarters of the hour chimes, and there is a quiet Epilogue, inspired by the last chapter of H. G. Wells's novel Tono-Bungay:

"The last great movement in the London Symphony in which the true scheme of the old order is altogether dwarfed and swallowed up ... Light after light goes down. England and the Kingdom, Britain and the Empire, the old prides and the old devotions, glide abeam, astern, sink down upon the horizon, pass – pass. The river passes – London passes, England passes."

History and versions
The symphony was composed from 1912 to 1913. It is dedicated to Vaughan Williams's friend and fellow composer George Butterworth (1885–1916) who was subsequently killed by a sniper on the Somme during World War I. It was Butterworth who had first encouraged Vaughan Williams to write a purely orchestral symphony. Vaughan Williams recorded that:

"We were talking together one day when he said in his gruff, abrupt manner: "You know, you ought to write a symphony." I answered... that I'd never written a symphony and never intended to... I suppose Butterworth's words stung me and, anyhow, I looked out some sketches I had made for... a symphonic poem about London and decided to throw it into symphonic form... From that moment, the idea of a symphony dominated my mind. I showed the sketches to George bit by bit as they were finished, and it was then that I realised that he possessed in common with very few composers a wonderful power of criticism of other men's work and insight into their ideas and motives. I can never feel too grateful to him for all he did for me over this work and his help did not stop short at criticism."

The work was first performed on 27 March 1914 at Queen's Hall, conducted by Geoffrey Toye. The performance was a success. Shortly afterwards, the composer sent the score to the conductor Fritz Busch in Germany, and the original score disappeared in the upheaval of the outbreak of World War I. The second performance was given in Harrogate on 12 August 1914 by the Harrogate Municipal Orchestra under Julian Clifford. The composer, aided by Geoffrey Toye, Butterworth and the critic E. J. Dent, reconstructed the score from the orchestral parts, and the reconstruction was performed on 11 February 1915 by the Bournemouth Municipal Orchestra under Dan Godfrey.

The symphony went through several revisions before reaching its final form. Vaughan Williams revised it for a performance in March 1918, and again in 1919–1920. This second revision became the first published version, and was recorded for the gramophone in 1925 by the London Symphony Orchestra conducted by Sir Dan Godfrey. It was also recorded in 1941 by the Cincinnati Symphony Orchestra conducted by Sir Eugene Goossens. It had already received its American premiere on 20 December 1920 when the New York Symphony Orchestra played it under the baton of Albert Coates.

While he was working on his fourth symphony in 1933, Vaughan Williams made time to revise A London Symphony yet again. He regarded this version, which was published in 1936, as the definitive one, and it is this version that entered the repertoire, being played in concert and on record by many conductors.

In 2001, a new commercial recording appeared on Chandos of the original 1914 score, following assent from the composer's widow, Ursula Vaughan Williams, for a recording only, without live performances. The new recording of the original 1914 score attracted attention from various music critics, including some commentary that the composer had cut many bars of interesting music. Richard Tiedman commented:

"The 1913 score is more meditative, dark-shaded and tragic in tone, almost Mahleresque in its inclusiveness. By 1933, Vaughan Williams's concept of symphonic architecture was becoming more aligned with a Sibelian logic and severity."

Andrew Clements has separately remarked:

"Some of the excisions seem to have been sensible - the finale is dangerously episodic in the first version... Much of what was removed is music of vivid poetic description. Admirers of Vaughan Williams will certainly want to hear all this restored music, some of it of a very high quality indeed, and while it does not supplant the version of the work that we know, it makes a very worthwhile addition to the catalogue."

The main differences between the first and last versions may be summarised as follows:
 * First movement: One bar was cut from the 1914 version.
 * Slow movement: 52 bars of the 1914 score were cut in 1933/36, chiefly from the quiet coda.
 * Scherzo: At the end of the original is a dark andantino passage, of which no trace survives in the definitive version.
 * Finale: In the 1914 score, the central E minor section, familiar in the definitive text, is interrupted by an orchestral "cry of anguish" based on the opening theme, after which the allegro resumes. After the conclusion of the allegro section, the 1914 score has a long andantino section for strings and woodwinds later dismissed by Vaughan Williams as "a bad hymn tune". Finally, the original Epilogue extends to 109 bars.

Below is a summary of the changes made between the original and the two published versions. It shows the number of bars in each movement and the total for the whole symphony: The final version is more than twenty minutes shorter than the original, as some indicative timings show:

1914 version: 1920 revision: 1933/36 revision:
 * London Symphony Orchestra/Richard Hickox: 61:19 (I: 15:04; II: 16:16; III: 11:04; IV: 18:50)
 * London Symphony Orchestra/Dan Godfrey (rec 1925): 44:39 (I:13:37: II:12:17; III: 7:07; IV: 11:45) [Godfrey had already recorded the first movement (very heavily cut) and second movement (complete) in 1923, with the same forces. However, this later recording is still not a complete performance, since he now cut 23 bars from the Epilogue in order that it would fit on to 12 sides. The cut was from 9 bars after T until W. This is exactly what the composer would later do for the 1933 final version, leaving the suspicion that he may have been influenced by Godfrey's recording.]
 * Cincinnati Symphony Orchestra/Eugene Goossens (rec 1941): 38:45 (I:11:06: II:9:22; III: 5:09; IV: 13:15) [This performance makes no cuts, but does not play the repeat in the third movement.]
 * Queen's Hall Orchestra/Sir Henry Wood (rec 1936): 37:09 (I:11:40: II:8:39; III: 5:21; IV: 10:49)
 * London Philharmonic Orchestra/Sir Adrian Boult (rec 1971): 43:03 (I: 14:24; II: 9:32; III:7:07; IV:12:00)

The reception accorded to the Chandos recording of the 1914 score persuaded Ursula Vaughan Williams to allow a live performance of the original version. In November 2003, Richard Hickox conducted the original 1914 score with the London Symphony Orchestra at the Barbican, in the first live performance of this version since 1918. The Proms presented an additional live performance of the 1914 version on 19 July 2005, with Hickox conducting the BBC National Orchestra of Wales.

In his liner note commentary to the Chandos recording of the original version, Michael Kennedy placed the status of the original score as subordinate to the final 1936 published version:

"There can be no question of the original version supplanting the revision. The 1936 score represents the symphony as Vaughan Williams wanted it to exist for posterity. The cuts and re-scorings were his own decisions, not forced on him, like Bruckner's, by well-meaning friends. Vaughan Williams would, and did, ask for advice, but never took it against his own inclinations."

Recordings

 * Dan Godfrey – London Symphony Orchestra (LSO) – Columbia 78s L 1717–22 (24 April and 1 May 1925)
 * Henry Wood – Queen's Hall Orchestra – Decca 78s X 114–8 (21–22 April 1936)
 * Eugene Goossens – Cincinnati Symphony Orchestra – RCA Victor 78s 11 8375–8379 in set M 916 (19–20 Feb 1941)
 * Dmitri Mitropoulos – NBC Symphony Orchestra (+ Malcolm Sargent's recording of Symphony No. 9) - Pristine Audio XR PASC 234 (Studio 8H, New York, 9 December 1945)
 * Adrian Boult – London Philharmonic Orchestra (LPO) – Decca LXT 2693 (Kingsway Hall, 8–11 Jan 1952)
 * John Barbirolli – Hallé – Pye Red Label CCL 30134 (Free Trade Hall, 28–29 Dec 1957)
 * Malcolm Sargent – Chicago Symphony Orchestra (+ music by Copland + Schuman-W) - CSO CD 4677 00-07 (Ravinia, 6 July 1967)
 * John Barbirolli – Hallé – HMV ASD 2360 (Abbey Road, London, 11–14 July 1967)
 * Adrian Boult – LPO – HMV ASD 2740 (Kingsway Hall, 1–2 March 1971)
 * Andre Previn – LSO – RCA Red Seal SB 6860 (Kingsway Hall, 6–7 Jan 1972)
 * Vernon Handley – LPO – Classics for Pleasure CFP 40286 (Kingsway Hall, 5–6 Jan 1977)
 * Andre Previn – Royal Philharmonic Orchestra ( + The Lark Ascending) - Telarc CD 80138 (Fairfield Halls, Croydon, 15–16 Sep 1986)
 * Bernard Haitink – LPO (+ Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis) - EMI CDC 7 49394 2 (Abbey Road, 9 October 1986)
 * Bryden Thomson – LSO (+ Concerto grosso) - Chandos CHAN 8629 (St Jude-on-the-Hill, Hampstead, 14–15 March 1988)
 * Gennady Rozhdestvensky – USSR StSO – Melodiya CD 10-02170-2 (Philharmonia Building, Leningrad, 2 May 1988)
 * Owain Arwel Hughes – Philharmonia (+ music by Elgar + Ireland) - ASV CD DCA 634 (St Peter's Church, Morden, 1–2 Dec 1988)
 * Leonard Slatkin – Philharmonia (+ Norfolk Rhapsody No. 1 in e + Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis) - RCA Victor Red Seal 09026-61193-2 (Abbey Road, 1 June to 29 November 1991)
 * Vernon Handley – Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra (RLPO) (+ Symphony No. 8) - EMI Eminence CD EMX 2209 (Philharmonic Hall, Liverpool, 3–4 March 1992)
 * Andrew Davis – BBC SO (+ Symphony No. 8) - Teldec 4509-90858-2 (St Augustine's Church, London, March 1993)
 * Kees Bakels – Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra (+ Overture to The Wasps) - Naxos 8.550734 (Poole Arts Centre, 5–6 April 1993)
 * Roger Norrington – LPO ( + Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis + Serenade to Music) - Decca 467 047-2 (25–27 Nov 1996)
 * Richard Hickox (original 1914 score)– LSO (+ music by Butterworth) - Chandos CHAN 9902 (19 Dec 2000)
 * Christopher Seaman – Melbourne SO (+ music by Chopin + Dukas) - ABC Classics 476 8363 (Hamer Hall, Melbourne, 6–7 May 2005)
 * Mark Elder – Hallé – (+ Oboe Concerto) - Hallé CD HLL 7529 (Bridgewater Hall, 14 October 2010)
 * Christopher Seaman – Rochester Philharmonic Orchestra (+ Serenade to Music) - Harmonia Mundi HMU 807567 (March 2011)
 * Martin Yates (1920 version) – Royal Scottish National Orchestra (+ Concerto in C for 2 Pianos and Orchestra) - Dutton Epoch CDLX 7322 (13 Jan 2015)
 * Andrew Manze – RLPO (+ Symphony No. 8) - Onyx 4155 (Philharmonic Hall, Liverpool, 29–30 March 2015)
 * Martyn Brabbins (1920 version) – BBC SO (+ Sound Sleep + Orpheus With His Lute + Variations for Brass Band) - Hyperion CDA 68190 (Henry Wood Hall, Nov. 2016)
 * Lynn Arnold & Charles Matthews (pianos). Arrangement of 1920 version for piano duet by Archibald Jacob. Albion ALBCD046 (2021)

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This page is linked to the "John Clayton" from ESPN. Not sure if there is a John Clayton of ESPN page, however this link needs to be fixed.
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Yarragon, Victoria

Yarragon is a town in the Shire of Baw Baw in the West Gippsland region of Victoria, Australia. The town lies on the Princes Highway and the Gippsland railway line approximately halfway between the major towns of Warragul and Moe. Hills of the Strzelecki Ranges rise over 500 m immediately to the south of the town, providing a spectacular backdrop, while the Moe River and the lowlands lie to the north and east. Mount Worth at 515 m above sea level is the highest near peak to the south in the Mount Worth State Park 16 km SSW of Yarragon. Mount Baw Baw at 1563 m in the Baw Baw Ranges as part of the Great Dividing Range to the north is approximately 85 km NNE of Yarragon. The township sits at approximately 88 m above sea level. At the, Yarragon had a population of 1131.

History
The town was a centre for dairy farms in the vicinity (a former dairy factory lies to the north of the railway line), as well as logging activities in the heavily forested hills to the south. The Post Office opened around October 1878 as Waterloo, Gippsland and was renamed Yarragon in 1883.

Today
Significant expansion of facilities and businesses along Yarragon's main Princes Highway streetscape since the 1990s aimed at capitalising on the tourist potential of passing traffic has resulted in the town being informally dubbed 'Yarragon Village'.

The town has its own railway station on the Gippsland railway line. The station is unstaffed and its buildings are 100 years old as of April 2012. the two platform station used to also be home to rail yards and storage for track gangs.

Yarragon has an Australian rules football team, known as the Power (formerly the Panthers), competing in the Mid Gippsland Football League which won the Under 18's Premiership in 2013 and the Under 16's in 2012. Yarragon is also home to the Yarragon Netball Club.

Newspapers
Yarragon has two weekly local newspapers, The Warragul and Drouin Gazette and a free publication, The West Gippsland Trader. According to the Warragul Regional Newspapers website, The Gazette and The Trader are distributed to locations from as far as Pakenham to Moe and from Poowong to Noojee covering over 40,000 readers.

Yarragon is also serviced by free monthly tabloid and online newspaper the Warragul & Baw Baw Citizen. The paper was established as The Warragul Citizen in 2011 as a quarterly print paper before becoming bimonthly in 2012, covering Warragul, Drouin and Yarragon. The paper's online news offering started in late 2011, covering all of Baw Baw. The paper moved to being online-only in 2013, before returning to print in its present form in July 2014.

Radio
Warragul radio stations Triple M Gippsland and 3GG service this region.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/DVO

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DVO
An actual band but not notable enough for Wikipedia. Admittedly, I created this article when I was a new user, thinking at the time that DVO was notable. I now see the error of my ways. MrHate 06:09, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
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 * Delete per original creator's concession of non-notability. -- BD2412 talk 19:56, 2005 Jun 14 (UTC)
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HKMOO
Non-notable web forum. RickK 06:11, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * From the article, Alexa ranking of 324,000. Hey, at least the author is honest. Delete --FCYTravis 06:17, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete … G u y M … (soapbox) 06:18, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)

Don't delete - it has some info, at least not useless - (anon vote by User:203.218.55.39 - FCYTravis 06:09, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)) The previous entry was made by superboy1304
 * Delete non notable. JamesBurns 06:35, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy ad. forumcruft --Xcali 07:07, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * delete lacks notability --TimPope 23:01, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Don't Delete At least it does have information. JJnie 06:35, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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MANIAC II

The MANIAC II (Mathematical Analyzer Numerical Integrator and Automatic Computer Model II) was a first-generation electronic computer, built in 1957 for use at Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory.

MANIAC II was built by the University of California and the Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory, completed in 1957 as a successor to MANIAC I. It used 2,850 vacuum tubes and 1,040 semiconductor diodes in the arithmetic unit. Overall it used 5,190 vacuum tubes, 3,050 semiconductor diodes, and 1,160 transistors.

It had 4,096 words of memory in Magnetic-core memory (with 2.4 microsecond access time), supplemented by 12,288 words of memory using Williams tubes (with 15 microsecond access time). The word size was 48 bits. Its average multiplication time was 180 microseconds and the average division time was 300 microseconds.

By the time of its decommissioning, the computer was all solid-state, using a combination of RTL, DTL and TTL. It had an array multiplier, 15 index registers, 16K of 6-microsecond cycle time core memory, and 64K of 2-microsecond cycle time core memory. A NOP instruction took about 2.5 microseconds. A multiplication took 8 microseconds and a division 25 microseconds. It had a paging unit using 1K word pages with an associative 16-deep lookup memory. A 1-megaword CDC drum was hooked up as a paging device. It also had several ADDS Special-Order Direct-View Storage-Tube terminals. These terminals used an extended character set which covered about all the mathematical symbols, and allowed for half-line spacing for math formulas. For I/O, it had two IBM 360 series nine-track and two seven-track 1/2" tape drives. It had an eight-bit paper-tape reader and punch, and a 500 line-per-minute printer (1500 line-per-minute using the hexadecimal character set). Storage was three IBM 7000 series 1301 disk drives, each having two modules of 21.6 million characters apiece.

One of the data products of MANIAC II was the table of numbers appearing in the book The 3-j and 6-j Symbols by Manuel Rotenberg, et al., published in 1959. Page 37 of that book contains a brief description of the implementation of the program on the computer, and the I/O devices used in the production of the book.Hoover was also the co-creator

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Orange-winged amazon

The orange-winged amazon (Amazona amazonica), also known locally as orange-winged parrot and loro guaro, is a large amazon parrot. It is a resident breeding bird in tropical South America, from Colombia, Trinidad and Tobago south to Peru, Bolivia and central Brazil. Its habitat is forest and semi-open country. Although common, it is persecuted as an agricultural pest and by capture for the pet trade (over 66,000 captured from 1981 to 1985). It is also hunted as a food source. Introduced breeding populations have been reported in Puerto Rico and Tenerife in the Canary Islands.

Taxonomy
The orange-winged amazon was formally described in 1766 by the Swedish naturalist Carl Linnaeus in the twelfth edition of his Systema Naturae He placed it with all the other parrots in the genus Psittacus and coined the binomial name Psittacus amazonicus. Linnaeus cited the 1760 description by the French zoologist Mathurin Jacques Brisson. Brisson used the French name "Le Perroquet Amazone" and the Latin name later used by Linnaeus, Psittacus amazonicus. Although Brisson coined Latin names, these do not conform to the binomial system and are not recognised by the International Commission on Zoological Nomenclature. The orange-winged amazon is now one of around 30 species placed in the genus Amazona that was introduced by the French naturalist René Lesson in 1830. The species is considered to be monotypic: no subspecies are recognised.

Description
The orange-winged amazon is a mainly green parrot about 33 cm long and weighing about 340 g. It has blue and yellow feathers on its head which varies in extent between individuals. The upper mandible is partly horn colored (gray) and partly dark-gray. It has orange feathers in the wings and tail, which can be seen when in flight. The male and female are identical in external appearance.

Diet and feeding
The orange-winged amazons are noisy birds and makes loud, high-pitched screams. It eats fruit, seeds, nuts, blossoms, leaf buds, and berries, including the fruit of palm trees and sometimes cocoa, mangoes, and oranges. It roosts communally in palm and other trees, and large numbers can be seen at the roost sites at dawn and dusk. It is becoming common as a feral bird in the Miami, Florida area, and there are colonies in London, England.

Breeding

The orange-winged amazon nests in tree cavities. The eggs are white and there are usually three or four in a clutch. The female incubates the eggs for about 26 days and the chicks leave the nest about 60 days after hatching.

The orange-winged amazon has been introduced to Tenerife in the Canary Islands, where it has been observed successfully hybridizing with a feral scaly-headed parrot (Pionus maximiliani) and also attempting to breed with feral monk parakeet (Myiopsitta monachus) and rose-ringed parakeet (Psittacula krameri), even involving itself in the former species' unusual nest-building behaviour.

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Talk:1952 Alberta general election

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The party compostition listed on the Elections Alberta Website is wrong, the results were 52 Social Credit 4 Liberals, not 53 Social Credit 3 Liberals. --Cloveious 06:15, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yes, correction needs to be made. There were also 61 seats as text but not table indicates. Nine opposition 4 Lib., a P-C., a Cons., 2 CCF, and an Independent Social Credit MLA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.3.178.111 (talk) 17:23, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

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British india band
Non-notable band vanity. Nonsense article, too, probably copyrighted, though I can't find from where. "British india" "Outside 109" gest 11 Google hits. RickK 06:16, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
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Talk:Iron Chef America

Morimoto's actual win/loss record.
Mention should be made of Masaharu Morimoto's 16-7-1 record on the original Iron Chef, even if only as a footnote in the stats table. Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 02:20, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Subliminal McDonald's ad during show?
This was on the news...anybody know whether it is real? Should it be mentioned in the article? --96.21.156.229 (talk) 13:00, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Iron Chef Lagasse?
Watching last night's Iron Chef America Super Chef battle (with the White House garden theme), I noted Chef Lagasse's white jacket top during the judging segment said "Iron Chef Lagasse" on it. Is this jacket labeling in itself enough to elevate Chef Lagasse to Iron Chef status (akin to similar status as Wolfgang Puck)? For visual proof, see http://www.foodnetwork.com/super-chef-battle/video/index.html video at 0:24, a image in back of the White House, as well as http://img.foodnetwork.com/FOOD/2009/12/02/ica_super-chef-battle_emeril-lagasse_s4x3_lg.jpg Erpbridge (talk) 18:42, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * He wore the full Iron Chef insignia and uniform last night, and other than Symon and Garces, the IC's aren't chosen by competition, just designated. That makes him an Iron Chef in my book.  It needs to be written into the article pretty much as you describe -- as a one-night only appearance similar to Wolfgang Puck's.  I was planning to do it when I had enough time to write it carefully, but go for it if you'd care to! Drmargi (talk) 18:43, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Have at it... I don't think I'd be able to handle the wording well. I was just wondering because other than the visual references (which may be removed by food network in the future, so watch for the future referencing), he is only verbally described as Super Chef on the webpage, on the show, and in advertisements on television for the show. Erpbridge (talk) 18:48, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * We can reference the episode if need be. There is precedent for his being called an IC in Puck, and Psilakis, who cooked with Symon last week, work a black tunic with no insignia, so it's clear the designation was quite deliberate.  Drmargi (talk) 19:47, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't think you could call Lagasse an Iron Chef. The Chairman and the captions clearly identify him as a Super Chef; the costume detail may be a production error.PhantomObnserver|talk 18:34, 4 Feb 2010 (UTC)
 * Trouble is, that's an assumption. The Food Network page and his uniform identify him as an Iron Chef.  On the other hand, if you look at how he's presented in the article, at least what I've written (which I think is pretty much everything), it's reasonably clear this was a one-shot deal.  He's not in the records table, nor in the infobox; he just gets a mention in the narrative. --Drmargi (talk) 07:07, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

The Super Chef Battle: Fruits and Vegetables
If we want to be accurate on this detail, one just needs to mention that the fruits and vegetables picked from the White House garden were delivered to a local food pantry. The produce used in Kitchen Stadium in New York were replacements, possibly originating closer to New York. However, honey (the only ingredient that does not spoil) was the one item that could be and was shipped to New York from the White House beehive. (This issue started a controversy in the American political world, but I believe only the facts should be written and the politics be set aside.) Both teams were only allowed to use the types and amount of produce they picked in the White House garden. I remember Bobby Flay getting upset at Mario Batali for taking of both available colored cauliflowers. Tape delay production likely prevented Food Network from shipping the produce from Washington. After all, if you think about it, taking fruits and vegetables from the White House garden to New York City defeats the purpose of using locally grown produce. | Dallas Morning News DaDoc540 (talk) 04:24, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * This was widely publicized at the time, and I believe there is a note to that effect on the episodes page. If not, it's easily added.  Drmargi (talk) 05:26, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Controversy about show buried in this article
This article could do with addressing the controversy regarding the staged nature of this show more directly.

There have been a number of reports about the staged nature of the production of this show, most aspects of which Food Network has eventually conceded to. Some of these aspects are included in the article (e.g. ingredients known ahead, only one chef present etc.) but they are buried; the editing shows a favorable bias towards the show. It does not take long researching the show to find many articles about the show and how the highly edited and staged production is not at all transparent to its viewers.

Much of this controversy was "handled" by Food Network by admitting to it not being real, this article pretends as though it was always obvious this was the case (as does Food Network). I could imagine Food Network's PR wanting the page in its current state which I believe intentionally clouds the aspects of this show which are not real and its history.

My edit referencing the Village Voice article detailing the production of the show source was reverted twice by User:DrMargi. The first revert cites a non-objective source (Ted Allen, Food Network), the second just seems to say it's factually incorrect. VV is a 3rd party source with more legitimacy than a Food Network spokesperson.

DrMargi, can we agree on some way to update the article to better surface the controversy regarding the show (that can be easily found from objective sources with some basic research)?

While the wording can be changed, grouping together the information which makes clear the aspects of the show which are staged etc would make the article better reflect the history of the show, which is not nearly as clean as the article indicates. Also, I was not able to find your claimed refutation of the VV article by Ted Allen, which I would like to read [despite this not being an objective source].

99.185.42.182 (talk) 04:52, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Batali and Cora
A month ago, an edit was made to the IC navigation template to show Batali and Cora as still Iron Chefs, saying that there was no sourcing for them having retired. Cora's own page lists her as an IC through 2012. I'm pretty sure both are no longer IC, but we probably do need official sourcing. Does anyone have any sourcing for either or both of them leaving the show? - TexasAndroid (talk) 21:12, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

 * None, and I wish we did so they can be noted as retired. Cora's article is no help; it has several errors that I spotted quickly. Batali quite obviously parted company with Food Network under not entirely good terms once his shows were canceled, and Cora is on Bravo now, so common sense tells us they've gone.  Sadly, common sense doesn't meet WP:VERIFY.  --Drmargi (talk) 21:19, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm. OTOH, it's verifiable that they are not currently on the show.  Whether or not they are officially "retired" is another matter.  Betali's article discusses his removal from the opening.  That's a fact that could likely be cited directly to the show itself.  Hmm..... - TexasAndroid (talk) 21:33, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
 * To add to the confusion, Alexandra Guarnaschelli's page mentions in the lead that she is the only current female IC. A fact which is only true if Cora is retired.  Sigh. - TexasAndroid (talk) 21:36, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Hummm... Let me do a bit of reading, and we'll have a re-think. Alex isn't an IC yet, technically, because she hadn't made her debut.  --Drmargi (talk) 00:54, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Less than 24 hours now, though. :) - TexasAndroid (talk) 06:04, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

BOM?
If you're going to use acronyms in the article, can we please make sure to define those acronyms?

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The program has, alas, been off the air for several years, but the article still has everything in the present tense. Somebody needs to go through this and adjust the tenses for the fact that the program's run has ended. I don't have the time, or I'd do it myself. JDZeff (talk) 21:15, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

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Connection to Iron Chef USA
This discussion addresses an issue on multiple pages, relating to this show. I have reverted the inclusion of Iron Chef USA, which is an earlier adaptation of the Japanese series Iron Chef as a related series. Although the show is related to the original program, it was produced for the now-defunct UPN by an entirely different production team, and failed after two episodes. Iron Chef America was subsequently produced by and for Food Network, which also carried the original Japanese show, includes one of the original Japanese Iron Chefs, and is connected via two related characters, one on each show. While there is a connection between Iron Chef USA and Iron Chef, and an obvious connection between Iron Chef America, and the subsequent Next Iron Chef, Iron Chef Gauntlet and Iron Chef Showdown, there is no connection between Iron Chef USA and any of the American shows produced by Food Network, they are not part of some imaginary "Iron Chef family" (whatever that might be) cited in an edit summary, and Iron Chef USA should not be included as a related show. -- -- Dr. Margi  ✉  09:05, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

 * They are all licensed productions and adaptations of the Japanese original, so whatever production company or network they come from, they are ultimately all derivatives of the Japanese show, and thus related. It is simple and as clear as the name they chose for the show, "Iron Chef". All of them, the Vietnamese, the Indonesian, the various ones in the U.S., are all related to the Japanese show. The same as the various Idol series, Voice series, Worst Driver series, Ninja Warrior series, Gladiators series. Or how Australian 60 Minutes is related to the U.S. original 60 Minutes. Or the relationship between the Japanese "Ringu" novel, manga, TV show, films, and the U.S. films. Or how the French film "Cage aux Poules" is related to the U.S. film "Birdcage". -- 70.51.45.76 (talk) 07:20, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

 * SanAnMan, no one is questioning that they are related to the Japanese show. The material point, which you seem to miss whether editing signed in or as an IP, is that the UPN show and the Food Network shows are not related to each other. They simply come from a common origin, as do the various international iterations, the exception being Iron Chef UK, which is part of the Food Network canon.  There's a big difference between being related to one another, and having a common origin, and I see nothing that establishes the FN and UPN shows are related to one another.  -- -- Dr. Margi   ✉  09:07, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
 * , is there any verifiable evidence that these programs fix the infobox criteria for inclusion as "related", which requires that related articles be "remakes, spin-offs, adaptations for different audiences, etc."? A direct link needs to be shown and, in the case of this article, I don't see it. From what I can make out, Iron Chef USA was made by one company for one network and failed. Then, this program was made by a different company for a different network based on the concept only. That's not a direct link. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 12:59, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for bringing up the infobox criteria. That solidifies my point:  these shows, while having a common origin in the original Japanese Iron Chef, are not related to each other (i.e. one is not a spin-off of the other), and thus are not related to each other.  The criteria say nothing about being part of some sort of "family" or anything similar.  Jeez, by that standard, you'd have to list every English-language adaptation.  -- -- Dr. Margi   ✉  17:54, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

 * I am not ; I saw your comment saying that things are not related, and I stated that they are licensed derivatives. You did not address your comment to user:SanAnMan; so you should expect anyone happening onto your comment to reply. --  70.51.45.76 (talk) 03:29, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

 * Just to clarify and confirm, User talk:70.51.45.76 is not my IP or account, I have not done any type of IP-only editing (at least on purpose) for years now. Plus, a simple WHOIS lookup shows that IP in Canada, and I am proud to call San Antonio, TX my home. I don't sock and I really don't appreciate in the least being implied of it. So yeah, we're not the same. But, I do happen to agree with that editor's opinions. Iron Chef USA was a sequel of the original Iron Chef. That has been accepted as fact. Iron Chef America is also a sequel to the original Iron Chef. That is also accepted as fact. Simple correlation states that if A is related to B, and A is related to C, that somehow B must be related to C. In addition, Iron Chef USA has been listed in the infobox of the ICA article as a sequel ever since this edit from November 17, 2007. So it seems like what you're trying to convince people is that for 10 years and literally hundreds of edits from hundreds of other independent editors (including multiple edits in that time frame by User:Drmargi I should note), the article has been wrong. I was trying to maintain what I saw as a status quo of the article that had been in existence for 10 years. Explain this please. - SanAnMan (talk) 14:41, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
 * The infobox instructions require that to be related for the purposes of the infobox the program be a remake, spin-off, adaptation for different audiences, etc of the article's subject. That means that both Iron Chef USA and Iron Chef America might be related to the original Iron Chef, but since they are not remakes, spin-offs, adaptation for different audiences, etc of EACH OTHER, they don't meet the criteria for being related to each other. That the edit has remained in the article for so long doesn't mean it's correct, it just means that nobody has picked up the error, which happens too often. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 17:07, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
 * To tag on to what AussieLegend said: first of all, a correlation is a mathematical relationship, so there is no "correlation" between the two shows, simple or otherwise.  Second of all, your relationship logic is faulty.  Just because A and C are each related to B does not by default make them related to one another.  Check some basic logic models and you'll see how that falls apart.  Moreover, Iron Chef Showdown, Iron Chef Gauntlet and Next Iron Chef all branch off Iron Chef America, are a different generation of programming, and are related to neither Iron Chef nor Iron Chef USA. I concur with Aussie's opinion that, just because it's been included doesn't by default mean it should be included on other than the Iron Chef page.  Policies change, definitions change, and content comes and goes.  This is an encyclopedia, not a fan page.  -- -- Dr. Margi   ✉  20:50, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Your arguments do make sense. In the end I was just trying to maintain a status quo. But I do question one part of your statement,, if ICS, ICG, and NIC are not related to the original Iron Chef, then why do they include Iron Chef in their related shows areas? Just being honest here. - SanAnMan (talk) 23:18, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Iron Chef franchise
We are missing a franchise article to cover all the licensed productions around the world. The Iron Chef article should not be heavily loaded with the non-Japanese derivatives. We need a new article -- 70.51.45.76 (talk) 07:25, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Why? There's a list in the Iron Chef article that already needs to be pruned down to English-language versions.  What can be said that would merit an article of its own?  This whole notion of so-called franchises (such as NCIS) doesn't exist in the industry; it's a Wikipedia creation.  -- -- Dr. Margi   ✉  17:55, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Why would you say it needs to be pruned down to just the English language versions? That makes no sense. The Voice doesn't only list English language versions. Indeed, something like that list of versions would make a good starting point for an Iron Chef franchise article. Or other similar ones, like The X Factor, etc. -- 70.51.45.76 (talk) 03:33, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Time to talk about show in the past?
It's pretty clear Food Network is no longer investing in this show. Can we change page to reflect lack of new shows? FN has not announced any new shows in more than a year.
 * Unless you have a source that they plan not to make any further episodes, we can't do that. -- -- Dr. Margi   ✉  23:18, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Does the channel need to formally announce it's abandoning the franchise in order for it to be considered done? Probably not something they're excited to proclaim, given the lagging ratings, the failed reboots, etc. The fact that they're not actively making new shows is more telling, isn't it? AMDG09 (talk)

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Wallace Ford

Wallace Ford (born Samuel Grundy Jones; 12 February 1898 – 11 June 1966) was an English-born naturalized American vaudevillian, stage performer and screen actor. Usually playing wise-cracking characters, he combined a tough but friendly-faced demeanor with a small but powerful, stocky physique.

Early life
He was born Samuel Grundy Jones in Bolton, Lancashire, England, into a working-class family of limited means. At the age of three, he was placed by his uncle and aunt, in whose care he had been, into a Barnardo's orphanage home, since they were unable to maintain his upkeep along with their own several children. When he was seven, he and other children from similar backgrounds were shipped to Canada to be found new homes with farming foster families as a part of the British Empire's ongoing programme to populate the territory.

Samuel was adopted by a family in Manitoba. He was ill-treated and became a serial runaway, being resettled several times with different families by the Canadian authorities. According to his own account, at the age of 11 he ran away for the last time and joined a vaudeville traveling troupe touring Canada called the Winnipeg Kiddies, from which he acquired his initial training as a performer.

In 1914, 16-year-old Samuel and another youth named Wallace Ford decided to head south to the United States to seek their fortunes, riding a freight train illicitly. During the trip, Ford was killed beneath the wheels of a train. Later, Samuel adopted as his stage name the name of his dead traveling companion.

Acting career
Following his service as a trooper in the army at Fort Riley, Kansas, with the United States Cavalry during World War I, he became a vaudeville stage actor in an American stock company. In 1919, he performed in an adaptation of Booth Tarkington's Seventeen, which played to full houses in Chicago for several months, before transferring to a successful run on Broadway in New York City. Ford became a successful Broadway performer through the Roaring Twenties, appearing in multiple productions, including the lead role in the Broadway smash hit Abie's Irish Rose.

In motion pictures, he made his credited debut with Possessed in 1931, appearing with Clark Gable and Joan Crawford, and the next year he was given the lead in Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer's Freaks, directed by Tod Browning. Ford went on to have an extensive career over 30 years, appearing in more than 150 films, with lead roles in the 1930s and '40s in Hollywood B movies such as The Rogues' Tavern (1936), Murder by Invitation (1941), and Roar of the Press (1941) and supporting roles in larger feature films such as The Lost Patrol (1934), The Informer (1935), Shadow of a Doubt (1943), Spellbound (1945), and Dead Reckoning (1947).

In 1938, he returned to the Broadway stage to play the role of George in the original production of Of Mice and Men.

In 1945, Ford appeared in the film Blood on the Sun alongside Jimmy Cagney, whose physique and acting style resembled his own. In the late 1940s and early 1950s, he transitioned into a character actor, appearing as a regular performer in the newly fashionable Western genre, and in multiple John Ford productions as one of his preferred support players.

In the latter stage of his career, during the 1950s and early 1960s, Ford performed increasingly on television. He had a recurring role in the Western series The Deputy starring Henry Fonda and his final appearance on the "small screen" was on The Andy Griffith Show in 1964, playing Roger Hanover, Aunt Bee's old flame. The next year, he appeared in his last film, A Patch of Blue, for which he received a Golden Laurel nomination. Ford's performance as Ole Pa in A Patch of Blue proved to be the final role of his extensive acting career.

Personal life
The actor became a naturalized United States citizen on May 8, 1942; by this act, he also legally changed his name from Samuel Grundy to Wallace Ford. He met his future wife, Martha Haworth, in 1922 while they were performing together on Broadway in Abie's Irish Rose, she being a chorus girl at the time. They had one child, a daughter named Patricia (1927–2005).

After the death of his wife in February 1966, Ford moved into the Motion Picture & Television Country House and Hospital at Woodland Hills, California, and died in the hospital there of heart failure four months later. His body was buried in an unmarked grave at Culver City's Holy Cross Cemetery.

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Clive Hale

Clive Norman Hale (26 April 1937 – 5 June 2005) was an Australian television presenter, best known for his 38-year association with the Australian Broadcasting Corporation.

Early life
Hale was born in Cowell, South Australia on the Eyre Peninsula. Hale was the youngest of three children.

He was educated at Norwood High School and studied art at the South Australian School of Art with the intention of being an artist.

Career
In 1949, Hale secured his first job as a newspaper boy, selling copies of The News.

While studying his fine arts degree in 1957, Hale obtained work at Adelaide radio station 5KA presenting a night show, before getting a job with 5DN to host the interview program Monitor.

In 1959, Hale relocated to Perth where he started working of the ABC, commencing his television career at ABW-2 from the first night the station was on air. While at ABW-2, he was a news presenter and hosted the station's first news maagazine program Roundabout.

In 1966, he returned to Adelaide to anchor the local weeknight edition of ABC News on ABS-2, before hosting the local current affairs program This Day Tonight (or TDT) the following year. With Hale as the presenter, TDT became hugely influential in South Australian politics. Hale's popularity as the host of the South Australian edition of TDT was such that the ABC printed bumper stickers saying "I like Clive".

Disgruntled at the way ABC managers were censoring TDT story rundowns, Hale left the ABC in 1971 and defected to the Nine Network where he worked on NWS-9's current affairs program Newsbeat. Although Hale considered the journalism "incredibly tabloid", he also described it as "sort of fun". Hale returned to the ABC in 1973 when he commenced hosting Saturday Week over the summer period while Four Corners was off the air.

In 1978, Hale relocated to Sydney when he was appointed as the host of the national edition of This Day Tonight but it was axed later that same year. Hale was then the national host of the replacement program Nationwide when it began broadcasting in 1979. He would present the common stories broadcast across Australia with a state-based presenter presenting local current affairs stories. Hale said it was during this period he pitched ideas to the ABC about producing programs about visual arts but to no avail.

In 1982, Hale temporarily relocated to Japan where he spent twelve months working at NHK, advising them on news and current affairs. In 1988, Hale hosted an hour of highlights from the Australian Bicentenary to 125 countries via satellite which he considered to possibly be his "proudest ABC moment".

In 1990, Hale became the national presenter of the ABC's first late night news service on ABC TV. Hale continued in this role until 1995 when he was replaced by Indira Naidoo. Despite media reports to the contrary, Hale volunteered to leave the role when he was offered the job to host another series of the antiques show For Love or Money. Hale also read the weekend news in NSW.

Happy that he finally persuaded the ABC to do a program surrounding decorative arts, Hale hosted For Love or Money for three seasons from 1987 with regular panelists such as antique dealer Peter Cook.

He returned to Adelaide before his retirement in 1997. Upon his retirement in 1997, Hale said he was looking forward to enjoying many aspects of life in Sydney and exploring his interest in information technology, multimedia and the internet as well as travel and antiques.

Hale developed an interest in computer art after buying an Apple Macintosh computer in 1985.

Death
Hale died of cancer in 2005 and was survived by his wife economist Helen Lapsley and son Tony.

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Seasoned salt

Seasoned salt is a blend of table salt, herbs, spices, other flavourings, and sometimes monosodium glutamate (MSG). It is sold in supermarkets and is commonly used in fish and chip shops and other take-away food shops. Seasoned salt is often the standard seasoning on foods such as chicken, French fries, deep-fried seafood and potatoes.

Chicken salt
Chicken salt was originally developed in the 1970s by Peter Brinkworth in Gawler, South Australia to season chicken for rotisseries. This recipe was purchased by Mitani Group in 1979, and is now commonly used on chips throughout Australia.

The first recipe for chicken salt consisted of salt, onion powder, garlic powder, celery salt, paprika, chicken bouillon and monosodium glutamate (MSG), along with some unspecified herbs and spices. There are versions of chicken salt that use chicken flavouring as well as vegan versions.

American chip spice
Invented in the 1970s in Hull and claimed to have been inspired by seasoned salt used in American diners, "chip spice" was introduced into the United Kingdom by Rod and Brenda Wilson; the recipe is paprika and salt-based. A chilli-based variant is also available. The brand American Chip Spice is now owned by Wilson's Seasonings.

Mesmorfries
Mesmorfries was created in 2022 in Hull by Daniel Howard. It is inspired by similar seasoned salt recipes, and has a subtle smoky flavour. Mesmorfries is manufactured by MES Seasonings and is primarily marketed in the local area.

Types
Lawry's, the oldest commonly used "seasoned salt" in the US, was originally developed for seasoning steaks in the 1930s.

Morton Season-All is the #2 seasoned salt in the US by market share.

Cajun and Creole seasoning. In Louisiana and the surrounding states, many companies make Cajun/Creole seasonings. It is a spicy blend of onion powder, garlic powder, paprika, oregano or thyme, salt, pepper, and chili powder. Brands include Tony Chachere's, Zatarain's and Paul Prudhomme.

Old Bay is a celery salt-based seasoned salt commonly used on seafood.

Market
The seasoned salt industry in the United States sells $100 million in seasoned salt annually. According to the US Federal Trade Commission, two brands make up 80% of the market.

The combined marketshare of Lawry's seasoned salt and Season-All was of sufficient concern that the FTC required McCormick, then-owner of the Season-All brand, to sell it to Morton as a condition of McCormick purchasing Lawry's in 2008.

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Talk:Canadian Action Party

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 * * * —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.55.11.34 (talk) 12:30, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I dispute whether the LINK on the name of Paul Kemp is correct. President of CAP Paul Kemp is not likely the famous fantasy author. That link should be removed.

 * * * —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.55.11.34 (talk) 04:53, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I am adding an additional "popular vote" column that illustrates, in ridings where voters actually had the choice of voting for the party, what percentage used that opportunity.

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Various Party Positions with regard to the War of (aka "on") Terror
I removed this ALL-CAPS comment from the article: (THIS IS NOT THE NDP'S POSITION-- THIS IS A PARTISAN STATEMENT, NOT BASED ON FACT). While I agree this section is currently under referenced and in its present form may not follow NPOV as well as it could, this discussion page is the spot for these types of comments, not the article itself.Garth of the Forest (talk) 18:02, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Riddled with Conspiracy Lunatics
This party seems to have morphed into a fringe group with more and more loonies making the cut and most rational people deserting the ship. The belief in "alternative theories" to what really happenned on 9/11 is but one example. In fact they are really only now known as being a fringe party. Should not this stated and documented. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.67.154.249 (talk) 06:23, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Please do. But please make sure to make edits in line with Wikipedia's policies on neutrality and verifiability. Thanks. Ground Zero | t 11:47, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

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