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Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Archive 16

User:El_C and User:Sam_Spade
I'm requesting mediation on behalf of El_C regarding several contentious discussions on battleground pages and what El_C feels is a lack of civility on Sam's part. Socialism (which has apparently been protected due to their disputes) and racialism are good examples of what is at issue here. See talk pages for more.

Note that both El_C and Sam Spade have agreed, to me personally, to undergo mediation in advance of this request. Both are eager that this problem should not reach arbitration. Speedy redress would be welcomed. Wally 02:40, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Wally -- I'd love it if El C and Sam could provide the names of some mediators they would mutually trust to handle the dispute. Also, if each one could offer a brief list of agreements they want to mutually agree upon by the end of the mediation, that would provide a good starting point. Jwrosenzweig 03:37, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I object to the statement "Both are eager that this problem should not reach arbitration". I frankly don't think thats true, and suggest a review of User_talk:Wally, where information regarding that, as well as discussion of goals can be found. User_talk:Sam_Spade contains similar discussion of agreements sought. Similar to El C (@ User_talk:Wally), I'd accept users Ed Poor and Danny (altho I'm not ruling others out). (Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 06:54, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Should this be taken, Sam, to indicate you don't desire mediation?

 * Also, while El_C is not terribly familiar with most of the Mediation Committee, he relates to me that both Danny and Ed Poor "enjoy [his] confidence as mediators for this case." I echo this. Wally 02:31, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Re: the former: Absolutely not, I stand by my advice that User_talk:Wally be reviewed, and have made clear thruout that I prefer compromise rather than escalation. (Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 12:09, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Please see User_talk:Sam_Spade. Cheers, (Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 16:33, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

External links in Online poker
Amid a recent campaign by the online community to make the Wikipedia article for Online poker the number one result in the search engine Google for that term, the page became the target of heavy vandalism and was subsequently locked for this reason. As the page was getting a large amount of traffic, I asked politely in IRC for an administrator to unlock the page so I could format the external links in MLA format, as I often do, even for featured articles while they are featured so that they are more presentable and professional looking. In the past, no one has ever complained, and people typically thank me for it as it takes some work, however, user 2005 has claimed that what I did was vandalism. Several people, including at least one admin, have informed him on the talk page that his conception of vandalism is flawed, and I explained to him that since he was persisting even in the face of several users and an admin that it would be necessary for us to engage in the dispute resolution process to solve the problem, as he is the only person who views this as vandalism. At that point, user 2005 quietly left the scene for several days, abandoning the discussion. Then he came back, presumably after others were not looking, and without attempting to reengage those who were watching the article reverted the MLA formatting citing, once again, vandalism in his edit summary. He is now attempting to lure other users into revert wars and is sticking to his claim that it is vandalism. For clarity, here is the definition of the term, according to Vandalism:

''Vandalism is indisputable bad-faith addition, deletion, or change to content, made in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of the encyclopedia [...] Wikipedians often make sweeping changes to articles in order to improve them—most of us aim to be bold when updating articles. While having large chunks of text you wrote removed, moved to talk, or substantially rewritten can sometimes feel like vandalism, it should not be confused with vandalism.''

--Alterego 00:15, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)

 * Not surprisingly, Alterego persists in blatantly untrue actions. None of this has anything to do with MLA format.  Zero.  He used that pretense to make significant content edits to the article, and then tried to disguise this indisputable bad faith deletion, done under the cover of a protected article, by labeling the its as "m"/minor, and subsequently pretending the issue has something to do with formatting.  His actions are the definition of bad faith, in particular because the content edits in questions have been debated extensively in the discussion for that article, which Alterego has chosen to not particpate in.  I ignored Alterego's comments previously as the bad faith edits have been reverted, and he has thus far refused to justify in any way his completely inappropriate behavior, or participate in discussion over the content of the article. Once again even mentioning the MLA cover of the malicious editing shows a lack of remorse and a disinterest in dealing with any genuine issues involved. 00:49, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)

 * This is incorrect. I immediately posted on the talk page that I forgot to mark an edit summary, and explained what I had done. This goes above and beyond a simple edit summary. As a matter of fact, it was only one minute later. You are using a lot of loaded phrases like "indisputable bad faith deletion", "bad faith edits", "completely inappropriate behavior", "malicious editing", "lack of remorse", and it is leading me to wonder if you are trolling. Look again at my single edit and explain how any of these terms you are using describe improving the presentation of external links, something I do often. I don't understand your motivation here and I am not willing to engage in a revert war with you, as you were attempting to lure me (and others) into. --Alterego 01:10, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * I just want to make clear that I have not made a single edit to the 'content' of the article above the external links section, so please lets keep our discussion specific to that area. --Alterego 01:18, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)

 * Sorry that no one from the Mediation Committee replied before now. This was quite a few weeks ago. Is this problem still something which requires mediation? Angela. 02:18, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)

TDC and Tony Sidaway

TDC will be notified of this request immediately.

As a result of a few encounters with TDC, and observing that he frequently seems to attract quite a lot of friction from other editors, I supported an RFC brought concerning his behavior. As a result of the confirmation that not only I but several others have found our encounters with him characterized by extreme rudeness, resort to personal attack, and somewhat determined edit warring, I decided that mediation would almost certainly help, if TDC was willing. He has accepted. I hope that by a mediated dialog we will be able to establish better communication, and that this will lead to less problematic behavior on his part, or at least more understanding on my part of his reasons for behaving as he does. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 21:28, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Do either of you have any preference for a mediator? Those currently listed as active are Andrevan, Bcorr, CatherineMunro, Cimon Avaro, Danny, Ed Poor, Stevertigo, TUF-KAT, Jwrosenzweig, and Improv, though you may want to check their contributions to see whether they really are active. Angela. 10:57, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)

 * I have no preferences. Any mediator willing to help us to establish a rapport would be fine with me. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 11:04, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

User:Gzuckier, User:Harro5, anon user 4.22x.X.X, re Yale University

 * HELP!!! Excuse me if this is lengthy, but it's getting out of hand and I'm wondering if I'm completely off base. On Yale University I added a section on murders of random students, the effects on Yale admissions, and how Yale handled the most recent such crime, in response to a suggestion on Talk:Yale_University by User: Patrick Grey Anderson who felt it was relevant, and with explanation in Talk:Yale_University of my thinking as to relevance. User:Harro5 apparently got inspired and added a similar segment to a lot of colleges which were then deleted from most of them, random murders of students by townspeople not being a big feature of life at MIT or for their admission process, for instance. See here and User talk:Harro5, as I wasn't in on it or privy to all the details.
 * On April 24:
 * anon user 4.22x.X.X deleted the entire Yale_University section from the Yale article, with only explanation being an edit summary Other high profile crimes - Not necessarily high profile; "significant" violates NPOV; deleted redundant material on the Jovin case, which already appears in the article on Jovin. Note: deleted entire miscellany section, not just the high profile crimes section.
 * 14:40, 24 Apr 2005 I partially restored it, deleting some of crime section in consideration of user 4.22x.X.X's "suggestions", with edit summary why it was important for yale that this not be 'random murder', i.e. the piece I did not delete as 'redundant'.
 * User:Harro5 deleted entire miscellany section again, with only edit summary For reasoning see here, said link being where it was decided not to include his edits to MIT page, with no suggestion that he or others should remove similar section from Yale.
 * On April 25:
 * 15:48, 25 Apr 2005 I restored miscellany section with edit summary wondering how deletion was supposedly somehow due to MIT's suicide rate., the target of the link which given in the edit summary of the deletion.
 * user 4.22x.X.X deleted entire miscellany section again, with only an edit summary. Removed Vandalism from User: Gzuckier. For reasoning see here, same irrelevant link as before. Note accusing me of vandalism for restoring his unilateral edit, or bilateral if you include User:Harro5
 * 21:17, 25 Apr 2005 I restored miscellany section with edit summary reverted big chop by self-appointed VandalAvenger who appears to believe that the talk:MIT article forbids the yale article mentioning bladderball. I admit to getting annoyed, being called a vandal and all, but I still don't see link to MIT suicides as great justification for deleting section on Yale bladderball, frisbee, golf course, etc. with no other discussion.
 * On April 26:
 * user 4.22x.X.X deleted more specifically high profile crimes section again, with only explanation repeat of edit summary: Removed Vandalism from User: Gzuckier. Note again accusing me of vandalism for restoring his unilateral/bilateral edit. At least the rest of the miscellany section was spared this time.
 * 03:07, 26 Apr 2005 I restored crimes section, explained thinking on User_talk:Harro5 and in Talk:Yale University for user 4.22x.X.X.
 * user 4.22x.X.X leaves message on User talk:Harro5 complaining that I have "added no justification or argument to the discussion", have "an attitude of not wanting to discuss the issue in a serious manner" and request that User:Harro5 report me for three revert rule violation. Note 1: I have justified the section when I wrote it, on User talk:Harro5, and on Talk:Yale University; whereas User:Harro5 and user 4.22x.X.X have done nothing but post links to Talk:Massachusetts_Institute_of_Technology and call me a vandal. Note 2: I took pains to NOT  violate the three revert rule, and did not.
 * User:Harro5 deleted high profile crimes section again, with only edit summary rv. added gzuckier to the Three Revert Rule violators list.
 * User:Harro5 attempts to report me for three revert rule violation on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR. Administrator notes that I did not make three reverts within 24 hours.
 * User:Nunh-huh (spontaneously without contact from or to me of any kind) restores section, with edit summary:there's no reason to delete this material.
 * So am I totally offbase here? Gzuckier 19:34, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * It might be best to start with discussions on the talk page before coming to mediation, which as far as I can tell, Harro5 hasn't done for the Yale article at all yet. However, he has now said he'd allow the changes at User talk:Gzuckier, so perhaps the issue is already resolving itself without mediation? Angela. 11:04, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)

User:Zappaz and User:Goethean vs. User:Andries re: Guru
Inability to break deadlock, onging revert war. Recent RfC did not bring any help from other editors. User:Zappaz and User:Goethean complaint is that User:Andries, is attempting to use WP as a place for advocating against gurus. The complaint is basically that a general, neutral encyclopedia article on gurus is filled with criticisms of gurus by a few Western anti-guru authors with what amounts to using the Wikipedia for advocacy, which is explicitly forbidden by Wikipedia policy. On the other hand, User:Andries, claims that the article needs to feature an extensive section on criticism of gurus because [sic]"even if these gurus did not commit crimes, they are controversial because they disappoint their followers because they often turn out to be very human and incompetent to bring the disciple to their promised moksha in spite of their claims to be saints etc, [...and that...] The concept of guru is very controversial in the West." and that "the negative opinion about gurus is the majority and hence deserves majority space.". User:Goethean replies that [sic] "gurus, is one of the most important concepts in Eastern religions (which are practiced by 1.3 billion people, not including Western New Agers and that hence the Western critics are a minority POV. Request page protection and mediation to break deadlock. --Zappaz 20:09, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I said that the criticism of the gurus can be large in the section about gurus in the West because there the majority view of gurus has been intensely criticized. I was not talking about the amount of criticism in the article in general. Andries 20:32, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I am willing to mediate. Seems like a minor matter of how to best represent the material. -SV|t 22:55, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Thank you Stevertigo. How do we proceed? --Zappaz 23:03, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

User:Slrubenstein vs. User:The Rev of Bru re: Jesus
Rev of Bru reverts changes made by Slrubenstein. RoB is a POV warrior who has made it clear that he will not accept claims that important scholars accept that Jesus once existed: and. Slrubenstein accepts that some scholars reject the existence of Jesus, but maintains that most well-respected critical scholars accept Jesus' existence. Slrubenstein and RoB have argued over who is considered a respected scholar:. SR's criteria for "scholar" is someone who has a relevant PhD., teaches at a major accredited university, publishes books in academic presses and/or articles in peer-reviewed journals, regardless of whether their views coincide with SR's or not. RoB's criteria for "scholar" is anyone, whether they have credentials or not, who agrees with RoB's POV.
 * Slrubenstein's summary of conflict

In short, I object to RoB's knee-jerk reverting of any change I make to the article, without any consideration for process (explaining his edits, responding to my explanations). Moreover, I object to his knee-jerk POV warrioring, refusing to accept views other than his own Slrubenstein  |  Talk  19:20, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I am willing to accept this matter, if thats agreeable. This seems to be about a fairly basic issue of proper sources, and perhaps RoB would like to comment. -SV|t

I would like to comment. That is a most unfair summary of events so far. I have repeatedly objected to user Slrubstein removing parts of the article which he does not like and repeatedly reverting my edits.
 * Rev of Bru comments
 * 1) I have always tried to compromise but there comes a point when compromise results in inaccuracies.
 * 2) I have repeatedly asked Slrubstein for a list of secular scholars who, on investigating the issue, have concluded that there definitely was a historical Jesus Christ.  He has yet to reply with any.
 * 3) He did provide a list of non-secular scholars, but that is not what the dispute was regarding originally anyway, and is irrelevant.
 * 4) I provided a list of several secular scholars who dispute his existence. The current ratio of secular scholars who are skeptical vs accepting is hugely in favour of skeptical. IF he or anyone can provide a greater number of accepting secular scholars, then the article should be changed.  If not, I don't see why his POV reverts should remain.The Rev of Bru

 * Slrubenstein's response to Rev of Bru's comments

 * 1) Can Rev of Bru provide one example of a compromise on his part?
 * 2) RoB says I have yet to provide a list of scholars who argue that Jesus existed?  This is a flat-out lie.  I provided a lengthy list on April 28:
 * 3) RoB says the list of scholars I provided are not secular, and thus irrelevant?  This is a lie.  RoB calls these scholars "non-secular" soleley because he disagrees with them.  The scholars I listed are the most well-respected critical scholars of the NT.  That he continues to falsely call these "non-secular" and to dismiss them as authorities is simply more evidence of his POV warrioring.
 * 4) RoB says he provided an extensive list of scholars?  I explained why most of them are simply not "scholars" .  His list includes a mechanical engineer, a geologist, and a German teacher.  I grant that these may be authorities on mechanical engineering, geology, and German, but they are not scholars of the NT.  The only reason RoB calls them "scholars" is because he agrees with them — another example of his POV warrioring (at the expense of the quality of this encyclopedia, which of course requires good research of good scholarship). Slrubenstein   |  Talk  18:10, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

-SV
 * Mediator comments on issue of behaviour
 * 1) The use of blanket reverts is improper outside of cases of vandalism or error. If their use is pervasive, this is grounds for a review by the Arbitration Committee, where they will ascertain if such compounded behaviour breaches Civility policy. -SV
 * Mediator comment on article issues

Concerning the specific edit in dispute, I have provided a lengthy explanation for my changes ; this explanation was provided on: Note: Rev of Bru never responded to this explanation.
 * Narrative of discussion on Talk Page
 * 21:36 April 28 2005
 * explanation for edits

'''Note: Since I posted this explanation, Rev of Bru has reverted my changes twice (through three separate edits). In this time Rev of Bru has provided no explanation on the Talk page.

When I complained about this on the talk page, Rev of Bru makes three assertions:
 * 1) that I am pushing a POV because most people have not studied the evidence . In fact I adressed this question in a comment on the Talk page on April 20.
 * 2) that he has explained why he added the sentences in question . In fact there is no such explanation on the talk pages.
 * 3) that I never explained my edit, aside from an edit summary stating that RoB is wrong . In fact I provided a lengthy explanation for my edits on April 28 explanation for edits

 * Chronicle of edits to article
 * 18:24 April 28 2005
 * SR edits a paragraph; no change in content:
 * 18:35 April 28 2005
 * SR deletes one sentence;
 * 21:15 April 28 2005
 * RoB reverts edits by SR:
 * 21:29 April 28 2005
 * SR makes changes again, "see talk" in edit summary:
 * 18:00 29 April 2005
 * RoB reverts second half of SR's edit
 * 13:55 April 30 2005
 * RoB reverts first half of SR's edit
 * 18:27 April 30 2005
 * SR again makes changes, again writes "see talk" in edit summary
 * 18:38 April 30 2005
 * RoB again reverts, writes "see talk" in edit summary but does not provide any explanation in talk page
 * 18:42 April 30 2005
 * SR reverts
 * 20:02 April 30 2005
 * JimWae attempts a compromise
 * 21:59 April 30 2005
 * SR reverts ; SR provides an explanation for reversion on talk page
 * 23:54 April 30 2005
 * JimWae attempts another compromise, taking into account SR's comment ; SR accepts JimWae's compromise
 * 19:24 May 1 2005
 * RoB changes JimWae's compromise
 * 19:39 May 1 2005
 * SR reverts to JimWae's compromise

Outside Point of View
User:The Rev of Bru is obviously just an older incarnation of User:CheeseDreams which she has now starting using again, so re-banning based on the ArbCom decision is probably more appropriate than mediation. Jayjg (talk) 06:07, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Armenian Genocide : Fadix & Coolcat
Content dispute with possible POV issues at Armenian Genocide. Please see /Archive 15 for details. No mediator has volunteered to take on this case yet.
 * I'm taking a look now. Discussion at least seems civil. -SV|t 20:53, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

John Anderson (Australian politician)
I've been having this issue on the page for a while, but its getting ridiculous. The issue started during the Australian Election last year, when Deputy Prime Minister John Anderson made a couple of comments on the Australian Greens, in the form of humour but in line with how Anderson normally speaks. I have added these quotes a number of times to the page, and they are valid. However, Adam Carr, who works for my local MP, and a member of the Australian Labour Party, has repeatedly removed these quotes calling them jokes. I have already discussed it with him on the Talk Page, however, Doctor Carr has acted highly pompous on this issue, and keeps removing the quotes calling them "frivilous" and alike. He has also then proceeded to take a shot at me for being of the youth division of the Liberal Party, "Anderson's joke lines, given out of context, are unencyclopaedic, no matter how amusing Young Liberals find them", and has tried to discount my ability to edit on the Wikipedia. These quotes are in context, but it is impossible to let others view them when Doctor Carr keeps judging what are and what are not quotes. I am requesting another credible user mediate and set out what and what can be quoted and whether or not Doctor Carr has been acting pompously on this issue. Evolver of Borg 18:39, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Mediation is no longer required as Doctor Carr has not made any further dedits to the quotes section, de facto acknowledgement of their legimacy. Evolver of Borg 21:05, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

User:Curps and User:AndyL
Dispute on April 25 at The Matrix involving protection, unprotection and editing under protection. AndyL 12:53, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

 * You yourself rejected mediation when I suggested it a week ago... you insisted on starting an RfC instead. But then you boycotted the RfC process you yourself started, after putting me through the time and effort of doing two very extensive RfC writeups which you would not or could not respond to, and now claim to want mediation after all.  In other words, you wasted my time and then just walked away.  I have no doubt you would just do the exact same thing here, again.  You're playing games and we're going in circles.

 * This mediation request is in bad faith. It's merely a ploy to sabotage an RfC process which turned out heavily to your disadvantage.  I'm sure you also simply wanted to be able to pretend in the future that it was me who rejected mediation when in fact it was you. -- Curps 07:53, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

 * "But then you boycotted the RfC process you yourself started,"

Wrong. Philwelch started the RFC process, not me. AndyL 20:19, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

 * You filed an RfC against me which I replied to. I filed an RfC against you which you did not reply to. You take refuge in invented techicalities and even reverted other people's contributions to RfC pages as a way to avoid answering what they wrote.  I don't have time to play games with you.  This experience has left me convinced you lack the integrity or competence to be an admin.  As usual, you will insist on having the last word, so take your parting shot and then we'll move on. -- Curps 21:47, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

"and even reverted other people's contributions to RfC pages as a way to avoid answering what they wrote. "

That's a misrepresentation. A third party inappropriately added comments to the response which belonged on the discussion page.AndyL 22:21, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

"I filed an RFC which you did not reply to"

I replied to Philwelch's RFC and then wrote one of my own in regards to your behaviour. You then rewrote Phil's RFC after it had already been certified and after I had already written a detailed response. I thought rewriting an RFC after it had been certified and expecting me to rewrite my response was inappropriate and a violation of procedure.AndyL 01:47, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Given Curps' rejection of mediation and the fact that this dispute is not active I am withdrawing my request for mediation. AndyL 18:40, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

User:Joshuaschroeder and User:Ungtss
Ongoing dispute involving editing of Theistic realism and other articles. Joshuaschroeder 04:18, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

User:Joshuaschroeder's summary of the conflict:

User:Ungtss is a creationist editor of many articles who maintains editorial control over articles by making accusations that his opponents haven't researched and are biased in providing edits. This is particularly apparent in Theistic realism where Ungtss has refused multiple attempts on the talkpage to work with him to resolve conflict. Currently I have been trying to work with him to gain an understanding of where to go with the piece on theistic realism, but his insistence that I don't know what I'm talking about is getting tiresome. Joshuaschroeder 04:21, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

User:Ungtss's summarry of the conflict: Schroeder is a materialist editor who maintains editorial control over articles by engaging all editors who disagree with him in endless debates in an effort to tire them out. this has recently been observed by other editors here and here, in his recent effort to delete the page entirely, which he summarized as follows:. Additionally, he was recently blocked for 24 hours for a violation of the 3rr on this page. he repeatedly deletes portions of cited quotes from authors writing about the topic of the article, and will edit war when necessary. the 3rr violation was over this edit. i have no objection to mediation. Ungtss 02:10, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

User:Sarcelles
I hope I am at the right place with this comment/request.

User:Sarcelles is banned in the German and French Wikipedias, he has been blocked several times in the Italian and nds:-Wikipedias. The reason for action against him was usually that he produced dozens of badly written stubs per day, with information which he was not prepared to prove and which often enough turned out to be simply wrong after some follow-up. I was among those who cleaned up the mess he left in the German Wikipedia. It seems that after he was temporarily blocked in nds:, he now starts his activities in the English language Wikipedia. His contributions to follow up are here, the quality seems to have improved in comparison to what he contributed in de:, however, I have good reasons to doubt the correctness. I don't know how you guys in en: handle this kind of problems, I just want to alert the one or other among you about this potential problem case. --de:Benutzer:Herr_Klugbeisser.

Processor, CPU, and User:24.126.184.213
I have tried my best to ask this user to justify his edits and have explained in detail why they are totally unmerited. Basically this user is trying to slant a few articles very heavily to PowerPC when it is totally inappropriate. For example, why should PowerPC be given more mention on the Processor article when there are literally hundreds of other processor architectures we could list? PowerPC is a notable architecture, but it isn't any more important than the many many others I can think of. I have confronted the user with these facts and his only response is to re-add his edits, give me a list of applications of the PowerPC processors (which, I might add, are applications of many many different types of CPUs), and post profanity on my talk page. The bulk of this discussion can be found on my talk page. I'm somewhat tempted not to even ask for mediation here since the user has shown little civility or willing to budge on his ridiculous position, but I'd rather give him a chance to be reasoned with first. -- uberpenguin 14:06, 2005 May 7 (UTC)
 * Currently the user continues to add back content without explaining it. He continues to insist that IBM is the originator of PowerPC rather than the AIM alliance, which is neither true nor in line with the corresponding Wikipedia articles.  He also continues to add a large list of PowerPC processors to both the Central processing unit and the CPU electrical consumption pages without any justification.  Granted, detail is desirable, but not when a third or less of what he is posting will suffice to make the point.  The volume of statistics he cites just makes the page unnecessarily long and makes it seem as if PowerPC is more abundant or plentiful than the many other CPU architectures listed.  Could someone please assist here?  I hope I'm not the only one who believes these edits are confusing and lend nothing of value to the articles in question. -- uberpenguin 00:24, 2005 May 8 (UTC)
 * One of the requirements of mediation is that both parties agree to it. Have you informed User:24.126.184.213 of your request for mediation? humblefool® 22:28, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Ack! I'm so sorry, I'm such a fool for forgetting that...  I reverted the articles again with a message requesting his presence here, and added a similar message to my talk page.  Hopefully he'll see that and post his concerns here. -- uberpenguin 14:44, 2005 May 9 (UTC)
 * Currently the only remaining conflict involves a quasi edit-war surrounding the CPU article. In the CPU article the anonymous editor asserts that PowerPC is IBM's creation alone rather than that of the AIM alliance. The justification he provides is that "all companies license PowerPC from IBM" and a MacNews World interview . I assert that PowerPC is an open architecture that anybody can implement WITHOUT having to license, and cite an IBM developerWorks article to back my claim up.    When the intervew he cites talks about Motorola licensing IBM PowerPC technology, it refers to them licensing specific IBM implementations, not the open PowerPC ISA itself.  I can also dig up links where IBM itself provides the entire ISA of PowerPC for download, free of charge or licensing.

 * It is true that IBM solely designed the POWER architecture that was largely the base of what is now called PowerPC, but totally ignoring Motorola and Apple's roles is fallacy. As a small example, SIMD instructions (i.e. AltiVec/VMX in PowerPC chips) were never (and still are not) a part of IBM's POWER design; the addition of SIMD units to PowerPC chips was mostly motivated by Apple and Motorola.  Apple, one of the largest consumers of IBM PowerPC implementations, is heavily reliant on the SIMD instructions provided by the AltiVec units.  I somewhat get the feeling that this user isn't doing a good job distinguishing between PowerPC as an instruction set architecture and PowerPC as the various implementations of said ISA.

 * Note that the related Wikipedia articles on the matter (PowerPC, AIM alliance) support my standpoint{which is also wrong}, not his. A handful of other users have also reverted his changes in favor of my own.  I don't want to carry on an edit war, and would like to have this resolved nicely.  See my talk page for a few more details on just how well our past discussions have gone.  -- uberpenguin 03:21, 2005 May 20 (UTC)

>>>>>>>>>>>>PowerPC is a registered tradmark of IBM corp. NOT AIM NOT MOTOROLA NOT APPLE BUT "IBM" berkeley firmworks amcc motorola tradmark IBM tradmark of IBM PowerPC tradmark of IBM tradmark of IBM PowerPC hitachi PowerPC tradmark of IBM tradmark of IBM IBM legal page PowerPC tradmark of IBM

 * So what? Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds; that doesn't indicate anything about its Free status.  It simply means that Linus has some legal leverage to somewhat control the use of the name.  PowerPC is still an open ISA that does not have to be licensed from IBM to implement.  You still haven't provided any counterpoint to this, or have provided reason why we should TOTALLY IGNORE Apple and Motorola, who were instrumental in the development of the AltiVec/VMX, one of the most important features in higher-end PowerPC cores. -- uberpenguin

>>>>>>PowerPC consist of the 32-bit operands of the 64-bit POWER architecture .... altavec/vmx an extension to book E of the PowerPC architecture.. open standard=yes : ibm defines the standard of PowerPC to ensure that it works with the POWER Architecture
 * You don't read Wikipedia very much, do you? POWER was not originally a 64-bit design, neither was PowerPC.  What's more, you have things a bit backwards; IBM maintains a high degree of compatibility with the PowerPC spec, but that's because the ISA hasn't changed all that much since PowerPC64 was defined.  Now, what was your point again? -- uberpenguin 20:05, 2005 May 23 (UTC)

>>>>>>>>uberpenquin wikipedia is a menagerie of dis-conjointed ideas and beliefs with the hope that future refinements will find an equilibrium between fact and fiction. i do not profess to be an expert on all thing POWER/PowerPC, but if i were you would respectfully allow my revisions, that same courtesy would be offered to you if you knew of all things related to POWER/PowerPC. but neither case is true. i really don't have a problem with the term aim alliance but in the context in which its used. to promulgate the belief that each member contributed 1/3 to the creation of PowerPC is a terrible injustice exacted upon the hundreds of engineers at IBM research, and marginalizes all previous endeavors in system design(system\360,AS\400,RS\6000,.........etc.) as wasted efforts. IBM never publicly disclosed the POWER ISA which was evolving from AS\400,RS\6000,system\360{199xAD), and later powerpc.I guest its easier to belief that it only needed about 50 engineers{i grossly exaggerated from memory,might be less} sent from Motorola/apple to IBM research before the public unveiling of the PowerPC 601 to synergize IBM’s IP into what is now POWER/PowerPC. the facility which would become the center for research&development  for the apple/ibm/motorola{aim} alliance was located at _____{either ibm research campus/motorola site i’m tiredLookUpSomTimeNever}.

you keep on insisting that PowerPC is an openStandard and on this i agree. in 1996(i think) exponential technologies release 750(notSure,7??). but there was a dispute(dontRemeberDetails) between apple/motorola/exponentialTech. what became of ET (baughtByAIMdontRemeber)

 * First of all, the S/360, S/38, AS/400, RS/6000, etc were all architected long before PowerPC/POWER came along (and POWER was named retroactively anyway), so let's just get that straight. The S/360 has almost nothing to do with PowerPC/POWER anyway, and the S/38 and AS/400 used a CISC architure called IMPI by IBM before Amazon was conceived and Belatrix was designed (and here the history and names get a bit convoluted).  In fact, the original POWER, which first appeared in an RS/6000 ca. 1990, doesn't really even resemble PowerPC or what is now called POWER at all.  I do not disagree that PowerPC is MAINLY IBM's doing, but it is not EXCLUSIVELY IBM's doing.  By the same merit that it is unjust to say that all three contributed equally, it is unjust to pretend that Motorola and Apple did nothing at all.

 * Now, currently the AIM alliance article DOES indicate that PowerPC was mostly IBM's work, and if you'd like to clarify that further I wouldn't object whatsoever. What I object to is ignoring Motorola and Apple, that is all.  On a brief overview page like that, it is totally appropriate to say AIM alliance, and then on the more detailed pages elaborate that PowerPC was originally IBM's design, but was expanded some for use in lower-end computers, the original design re-named POWER, the AIM alliance formed, etc.  So if you want to expand the history on the PowerPC page some (which needs to be done anyway), or indicate that the AIM alliance built mostly upon IBM's previous work in that article, I have no problems.  However, I still cannot see a justification for ignoring Motorola and Apple simply because PowerPC is MOSTLY IBM's. -- uberpenguin 21:30, 2005 May 25 (UTC)

 * I found a great article that plainly lays out the differences in POWER and PowerPC and clearly shows that they are NOT the same and NOT totally compatible. It was written by Frank Soltis, who is a long-time IBM engineer that designed the System/38 and AS/400 architectures and has a lot to do with the design of the POWER/PowerPC ISA.  Please read this to clear up some of your misconceptions since it is written by an actual IBM engineer and not some third party that can misconstrue facts.  -- uberpenguin 13:41, 2005 May 24 (UTC)

 * Some of the things you have said indicate a somewhat disturbing lack of knowledge about this subject. Calling portions of an ISA "operands" is very loose terminology at best, and at worst totally incorrect.  I'm not here to criticize your knowledge (only the edits you have made regarding the PowerPC article), but if you don't know what you're talking about you really shouldn't be insisting on your phrasing...  In any case, you still have not provided justification for ignoring the significant roles that Motorola and Apple played in the birth of PowerPC.  IBM holding the trademark means nothing, and while they did design most of what is now called PowerPC, it is by no means totally their creation.  -- uberpenguin 22:38, 2005 May 23 (UTC)

 * Since nothing further has been added to this, I'm going to change the CPU article to read "AIM Alliance" once more for the reasons I've outlined. I'll also try to revise the AIM Alliance and PowerPC article a bit in the future to explain IBM's prominant role (though the PowerPC article already does a decent job). -- uberpenguin 03:59, 2005 Jun 6 (UTC)


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Babe Pratt

Walter Peter "Babe" Pratt (January 7, 1916 – December 16, 1988) was a Canadian professional ice hockey defenceman/left winger who played for the New York Rangers, Toronto Maple Leafs and the Boston Bruins in the National Hockey League between 1935 and 1947. He is the father of the NHL hockey player, Tracy Pratt.

Babe was an important member of two Stanley Cup winning teams, the 1940 Rangers and 1945 Maple Leafs. He won the Hart Trophy in 1944. He was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame in 1966.

In January, 1946 Pratt was caught betting on hockey games and was subsequently suspended from the NHL. Pratt admitted to gambling but denied ever placing a bet against his own team. After promising to quit betting he was reinstated to the Toronto Maple Leafs. His last NHL season was with the Boston Bruins in 1946–47 and he played in the minors after that.

He subsequently worked as an analyst for CBC Television's Hockey Night In Canada telecasts from Vancouver in the 1970s and served as a goodwill ambassador of the Vancouver Canucks. Pratt died of a heart attack in the media lounge of the Pacific Coliseum in Vancouver during the first intermission of a Canucks game on December 16, 1988. The Canucks honored Pratt's memory by stitching "BABE" on their sweaters for the remainder of the hockey season.

In 1998, he was ranked number 96 on The Hockey News' list of the 100 Greatest Hockey Players.

Awards and achievements

 * MJHL Scoring Champion (1935)
 * Turnbull Cup MJHL Championship (1934)
 * Stanley Cup championship (1940 and 1945)
 * NHL First All-Star team Defence (1944)
 * Hart Memorial Trophy winner (1944)
 * NHL second All-Star team Defence (1945)
 * Inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame in 1966
 * Inducted into the Manitoba Sports Hall of Fame and Museum in 1990
 * Selected to Manitoba's All-Century first All-Star team
 * Honoured Member of the Manitoba Hockey Hall of Fame
 * In 1998, he was ranked number 96 on The Hockey News' list of the 100 Greatest Hockey Players
 * In the 2009 book 100 Ranger Greats, was ranked No. 47 all-time of the 901 New York Rangers who had played during the team's first 82 seasons
 * Tied for most assists by a defenceman in one game with 6
 * Scored the game-winning goal for the Toronto Maple Leafs in the 1945 Stanley Cup Finals

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Culture of Nepal

The culture of Nepal encompasses the various cultures belonging to the 125 distinct ethnic groups present in Nepal. The culture of Nepal is expressed through music and dance; art and craft; folklore; languages and literature; philosophy and religion; festivals and celebration; foods and drinks.

Dance and music
Legends state that dances in this country originated in the abode of Lord Shiva — the Himalayas, where he performed the tandava dance. This indicates that dance traditions of Nepal are very ancient and unique. With altitudes and ethnicity, the dances of Nepal slightly change in style as well as in the costumes. The Dishka, a dance performed at weddings, includes intricate footwork and arm movements. Accompanying music and musical instruments change in tune with the themes, which revolve around topics like harvesting of crops, marriage rites, war stories,love, and several other themes and stories from everyday life in the villages. The Tharu stick dances and the peacock dance are also performed.

Languages
As many as 123 languages are spoken in Nepal according to the 2011 census. Most of them belong to either the Indo-Aryan or the Tibeto-Burman language families. The major languages of the country (percent spoken as mother tongue) are Nepali (44.6%), Maithili (11.7%), Bhojpuri(6%), Tharu (5.8%), Tamang (5.1%), Nepal Bhasa (3.2%), Magar (3%) and Bajjika (3%), Magar (3%), and Doteli (3%).

Nepali, written in Devanagari script, is the official national language and serves as lingua franca among Nepalese ethnolinguistic groups.

Religions and philosophy
The 2011 census identified 81.6% of the population being Hindu. Buddhism was practiced by about 9% of the population. About 4.2% practice Islam and 3.6% follow the indigenous Kirant religion. Christianity is practiced officially by less than 1.0% of the population.

Hindu and Buddhist traditions in Nepal go back more than two millennia. In Lumbini, Buddha was born, and Pashupatinath temple, Kathmandu, is an old and famous Shiva temple of Hindus. Nepal has several other temples and Buddhist monasteries, as well as places of worship of other religious groups. Traditionally, Nepalese philosophical thoughts are ingrained with the Hindu and Buddhist philosophical ethos and traditions, which include elements of Kashmir Shaivism, Nyingma school of Tibetan Buddhism, works of Karmacharyas of Bhaktapur, and tantric traditions. Tantric traditions are deep-rooted in Nepal, including the practice of animal sacrifices. Five types of animals, always male, are considered acceptable for sacrifice: water buffalo, goats, sheep, chickens, and ducks. Cows are very sacred animals and are never considered acceptable for sacrifice.

Festivals and celebrations
Several of the festivals of Nepal last from one to several days. As a predominantly Hindu and Buddhist nation, most of the Nepalese festivals are religious ones. The festivals of Nepal have their roots in Hinduism as more than 80% of the population of the country is Hindu. Buddhism, the second-largest religion of the nation which accounts for 9% of the population, has influenced the cultural festivals of Nepal. Dashain or Vijaya Dashami is the longest and the most important festival of Nepal. Generally, Dashain falls in late September to mid-October, right after the end of the monsoon season. It is "a day of Victory over Demons". The Newars celebrate the festival as Mohani, Tihar or Dipawali, Holi, Saraswati Puja, Rakshabandhan, Janmashtami, Gai Jatra, Nag Panchami, Teej, Chhath, Kartik Poornima, Maghe Sankranti, or Makar Sankranti, Maha Shivratri and Chhechu are widely celebrated important festivals of Nepal. New Year's Day of the lunar calendar Nepal Sambat occurs in November. Several Jatras take place throughout the year and public holidays are declared in some regions.

Other important festivals include Buddha Purnima (the celebration of the birth of Buddha) Maha Shivaratri (a festival of Lord Shiva) and during Maha Shivaratri festivities, some people consume excessive drinks and smoke charas. Sherpas, mostly located at higher altitudes and in the Mount Everest region, celebrate Mani Rimdu, for the good of the world.

Most festivals include dancing and music, and a variety of special foods are consumed during festivals and on special occasions.

The Sagan ceremony is the ritualized presentation of five food items (boiled egg, smoked fish, meat, lentil cake and rice wine) to a person which is done to bring good fortune as per Tantric tradition.

Architecture and archaeology
Nepal Sampada Sangha (Nepal Heritage Society) has compiled an inventory of 1,262 significant architectural and archeological sites in Nepal outside Kathmandu Valley.

Sports
The government declared volleyball as the national game of the country. Before it used to be dandi biyo.

A Cabinet meeting held at the Prime Minister Pushpa Kamal Dahal's residence in Baluwatar took the decision. The Ministry of Youth and Sports had put the proposal to declare volleyball as the national game. Nepal Volleyball Association had been demanding that the sport, which is played in all 75 districts of the country, should be the national game.

National Sports Council's former Member Secretary Yubaraj Lama had initiated the process of deciding the national game, while the current Member Secretary Keshab Kumar Bista had recommended for the national game.

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Gilles Tremblay (composer)

Gilles Tremblay, (6 September 1932 – 27 July 2017) was a Canadian composer from Quebec.

Early life and education
Trembay studied at the conservatories of Québec in Montréal and Paris (1954–61), where his teachers included Olivier Messiaen (analysis), Andrée Vaurabourg-Honegger (counterpoint), Yvonne Loriod (piano), and Maurice Martenot (inventor of the ondes Martenot). He also attended Stockhausen's summer courses at Darmstadt, where he became interested in electro-acoustic techniques.

Career
Tremblay returned to Quebec in 1961. He taught musical analysis at the Centre d'arts Orford and at the Conservatoire de musique du Québec in Quebec City. Beginning in 1962, and for many years, he taught composition at the Conservatoire de musique du Québec à Montréal. Among his pupils are Serge Arcuri, Raynald Arseneault, Yves Daoust, François Dompierre, Marc Hyland, Ramon Lazkano, Robin Minard, Éric Morin, Silvio Palmieri, Micheline Coulombe Saint-Marcoux, Isabelle Panneton, André Villeneuve, Claude Vivier, and Wolf Edwards.

Early in his career he performed as a specialist on the ondes Martenot.

In 1991, he was made an Officer of the National Order of Quebec.

Tremblay died August 4, 2017, at Côte-des-Neiges–Notre-Dame-de-Grâce.

Compositions (selective list)

 * Mobile, for violin and piano (1962)
 * Champs I, for piano and 2 percussionists (1965)
 * Cantique de durées, for seven groups of instruments (1960)
 * Sonorisation du Pavillon du Québec, 24-channel electronic music (1967)
 * Souffles (Champs II), for 2 flutes, oboe, clarinet, horn, 2 trumpets, 2 trombones, piano, 2 percussionists, and contrabass (1968)
 * Vers (Champs III), for 2 flutes, clarinet, trumpet, horn, 3 percussionists, 3 violins, and contrabass (1969)
 * Jeux de solstices, for orchestra (1974)
 * Oralléluiants, for soprano, bass clarinet, horn, 2 percussionists, and 3 contrabasses (1975)
 * Fleuves, for piano, percussion, and orchestra (1976)
 * Vers le soleil, for orchestra (1978)
 * Le Signe du lion, for horn and tam-tam (1981)
 * Triojubilus "À Raphaël", for flute, harp, and cowbells (1985)
 * Les Vêpres de la Vierge, for soprano and orchestra (1986)
 * Musique du feu, for piano and orchestra (1991)
 * L'arbre de Borobudur, for horn, 2 harps, double bass, ondes Martenot, 2 percussionists, and gamelan ensemble (1994)
 * L'espace du coeur (Miron-Machaut), for mixed voices and percussion (1997)
 * Les pierres crieront, for cello and large orchestra (1998)
 * A quelle heure commence le temps?, for baritone, percussion, piano, and orchestra (1999)
 * L'appel de Kondiaronk: symphonie portuaire, environmental work for battle sirens and 2 locomotives (2000)
 * String Quartet Croissant (2001)
 * En partage (Concerto), for viola and orchestra (2002)
 * L'eau qui danse, la pomme qui chante et l'oiseau qui dit la vérité, Opéra féerie based on "The Dancing Water, the Singing Apple, and the Speaking Bird" (2009)

Writings

 * 1968. "Note pour Cantique de durées." Revue d'esthetique 21, nos. 2–4 ("Musiques nouvelles"): 51–58.

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Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Kevehs and Sam Spade

User:Kevehs and User:Sam Spade
I have been unable to communicate with this user since I first encountered them, and feel they lack Civility. I am requesting mediation as part of the Conflict resolution process. (Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 12:46, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid that I can't join Sam in requesting mediation, as the requisite steps that are supposed to come in the process prior to requesting it have not yet been attempted. I would therefore think this yet another example of Sam abusing wiki procedures whenever doing so would appear to produce the results he desires.  However, I will happily take part in this procedure if said mediator hopes some good will come of it, and perhaps it will help clarify the reasoning behind Sam's behavior.  Kev 14:25, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Kev, I'm getting mixed messages from your post -- do you refuse mediation (on the grounds that you believe this is premature) or do you accept (I think mediators always hope good will come of the discussions they facilitate)? I appreciate your taking the time to clarify. Jwrosenzweig 15:19, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm happy to accept and take part sincerely should there be a mediator who thinks they can help resolve the issue. That is my only condition.  However, I think it is important to note that my personal position is that it is premature (given that the standard procedures were not followed), and I certainly don't want to waste anyones time if mediators agree that this is premature or believe that the issue is intractable. Kev 22:16, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Given the above, are there any mediators willing to pursue this matter? (Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 12:33, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * The above mentions nothing about what particular debates or conflics the two users are having, and user:Kevehs seems to have been inactive for a couple weeks, only lightly active before that. Again, its unclear, other than accusations of incivility, what the points are. Recommend archive. -SV|t 20:58, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * User:Kevehs hasn't edited since April 12. I think this can be archived too. Mgm|(talk) 13:31, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)


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Marcel Pronovost

Joseph René Marcel Pronovost (June 15, 1930 –April 26, 2015) was a Canadian professional ice hockey defenceman and coach. He played in 1,206 games over 20 National Hockey League (NHL) seasons for the Detroit Red Wings and Toronto Maple Leafs between 1950 and 1970. A top defenceman, Pronovost was named to four post-season NHL All-Star teams and played in 11 All-Star Games. He was a member of four Stanley Cup championship teams with the Red Wings, the first in 1950, and won a fifth title with the Maple Leafs in 1967. Pronovost was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame as a player in 1978.

Pronovost began coaching in 1969 and spent several seasons behind the bench of the junior Hull Olympiques and Windsor Spitfires. He was head coach of the Chicago Cougars in the World Hockey Association's inaugural season in 1972–73, coached 104 games in the NHL for the Buffalo Sabres between 1977 and 1978 and was briefly an associate coach of the Red Wings. Pronovost worked for the NHL Central Scouting Bureau for five years until 1990, when he was hired as a scout for the New Jersey Devils, with whom he was a member of three Stanley Cup championship teams, with the last coming in 2003. The 53-year span between his first championship and his last is a Stanley Cup record.

Early life
Pronovost was born June 15, 1930, in the community of Lac-à-la-Tortue, Quebec. He was the third of 12 children, nine boys and three girls, of Leo and Juliette Pronovost. Leo was a construction worker who worked with aluminum and occasionally moved around; the family settled in the nearby town of Shawinigan Falls by the time Marcel was five years old.

Cross-country skiing was Pronovost's first sport, but he quickly developed a passion for hockey. He began skating at the age of three years and was playing competitive hockey by age five. Pronovost played and studied at College Immaculate Conception Superior School (CIC) in Shawinigan Falls where he played centre and left wing. His team won the Quebec provincial midget hockey championship in 1944–45. It was with CIC that Pronovost was discovered by National Hockey League (NHL) scouts. The Detroit Red Wings sent scout Marcel Côté to sign Larry and John Wilson at a Quebec tournament. Larry suggested that Côté observe Pronovost. As a result, he was also signed to the Red Wings.

Hockey was a significant part of life for the Pronovosts, and three of Marcel's brothers followed him to the NHL: Claude was a goaltender who played three games and Jean played nearly 1,000 at forward. In his autobiography, A Life in Hockey, Marcel argued that the NHL having only six teams until 1967 prevented some of his other brothers from reaching the league.

Playing career
The Red Wings placed Pronovost with the Windsor Spitfires, one of their junior teams in the Ontario Hockey Association (OHA), beginning in 1947–48. The Spitfires were a dominant team that season; Windsor finished with the best record in the OHA but lost the championship series to the Barrie Flyers after Detroit was forced to recall Windsor's goaltender, Terry Sawchuk, to one of their minor league teams. Pronovost believed that the Spitfires would have won the league title and gone on to play for the Memorial Cup if they hadn't lost Sawchuk. At the same time, Pronovost also played for the Detroit Auto Club team in the International Hockey League (IHL). At the time an amateur league, the IHL based most of its teams in Detroit or Windsor and the majority of players were affiliated with the Red Wings. Playing in the two leagues prepared Pronovost for the rigors of an NHL schedule. He played 52 games that season, and 51 in 1948–49. Pronovost permanently moved to defence during his tenure with the Spitfires.

Upon starting his professional career in 1949–50, the Red Wings assigned Pronovost to the Omaha Knights of the United States Hockey League (USHL). He appeared in 69 games for the Knights and scored 13 goals and 52 points. Pronovost set a scoring record by a defenceman and was named the USHL's rookie of the year. He was also named to the first All-Star team. At 19 years of age, Pronovost was compared to legendary defenceman Eddie Shore and Detroit coach Jack Adams described him as being "one of those guys who comes around once every 20 years".

Detroit Red Wings
The Red Wings brought Pronovost to Detroit at the conclusion of his USHL season. Gordie Howe had suffered a serious injury early in Detroit's 1950 Stanley Cup Playoff series against the Toronto Maple Leafs forcing the team to move Red Kelly to forward and insert Pronovost into the lineup at defence. He made his NHL debut on April 6, 1950, in the fifth game of the series. Pronovost appeared in nine playoff games as Detroit eliminated the Maple Leafs then came back from a 3–2 series deficit in the final and defeated the New York Rangers in the final two games of the series to win the Stanley Cup.

The NHL All-Star Game format of the time had the defending champion face a team of the all-stars formed from the remaining teams. The 1950 All-Star Game was played prior to the start of the 1950–51 season and Pronovost played in the contest, a 7–1 victory by Detroit. It was the first of 11 All-Star Games which he would ultimately play. The Red Wings had been promoting Pronovost as their next great defenceman, but he suffered a broken cheekbone and a cracked bone in his ankle in separate incidents during the pre-season. Not wanting to let the team down, he tried to play through the injuries but his performance suffered and by December 1950, the Red Wings demoted him to their American Hockey League (AHL) affiliate, the Indianapolis Capitals. Pronovost scored 32 points in 34 games with Indianapolis before the Red Wings recalled him back to the NHL. Though he played only a half season with the Capitals, he was named an AHL Second Team All-Star on defence. He finished with seven points in 37 games with Detroit and scored his first NHL goal on February 19, 1951, on goaltender Jack Gelineau. It was a last-minute goal that salvaged a 2–2 tie against the Boston Bruins.

The Red Wings again won the Stanley Cup in 1951–52, defeating the Montreal Canadiens in the final. It was Pronovost's first full season in the NHL; he appeared in 69 regular season games and eight more in the playoffs. The Red Wings set a record that post-season by winning all eight games played – four by shutout – and the series spawned the Legend of the Octopus. When an octopus was thrown onto the ice near the end of the clinching game (the eight tentacles meant to represent the eight wins required to win the Stanley Cup at that time), Pronovost was the only player willing to pick it up and remove it. He won his third and fourth Stanley Cup championships in 1953–54 and 1954–55 and played his second and third All-Star Games after each victory. Pronovost's 34 points in 1954–55 were the most of his NHL career. He also played in an ill-fated game in Montreal on March 17, 1955, in which fan anger over the NHL's suspension of Maurice Richard precipitated the Richard Riot. Awarded a forfeit victory in that game, Pronovost and the Red Wings won their final game of the season, also against Montreal, to clinch top spot in the NHL standings for a record seventh consecutive season.

By the 1956–57 season, Pronovost had gained recognition as being one of the NHL's top defencemen. The Red Wings named him an alternate captain of the team, a position he held until 1965. He was named to represent the NHL All-Stars at the 1957 All-Star Game, the first of five consecutive appearances, and was named to the post-season Second All-Star team in both 1958 and 1959. Pronovost scored a career high 11 goals in 1958–59 and was named to the first All-Star team in both 1959–60 and 1960–61. The Canadiens even fêted him by holding "Marcel Pronovost Night" on March 5, 1960, in which he received gifts and was cheered by the opposing Montreal crowd. It was reported as being the first time in NHL history that a team honoured an opposing player.

The Red Wings were unable to duplicate the championship success Pronovost enjoyed in his first six seasons. In 1959, Detroit missed the post-season entirely and Pronovost worked those playoffs as an analyst for Hockey Night in Canada. The team reached, and lost, the Stanley Cup Finals to Chicago in 1961. Pronovost suffered a broken bone in his ankle that caused him to miss two games of the series and play the remainder in significant pain. Toronto owner Harold Ballard argued that Detroit would have won the series if Pronovost had been healthy. Detroit also lost in the 1963 and 1964 finals, which marked eight appearances in the final for Pronovost. He is also one of four players in NHL history to play in four game 7's in the Stanley Cup Finals.

Toronto Maple Leafs
Pronovost's tenure with the Red Wings came to an end on May 20, 1965, as he was involved in an eight-player trade. He was dealt to the Maple Leafs, along with Aut Erickson, Larry Jeffrey, Eddie Joyal and Lowell MacDonald in exchange for Andy Bathgate, Billy Harris and Gary Jarrett. Pronovost, who heard about the trade on the radio before being contacted by either team, was shocked at being dealt away from an organization he played with for 18 years. He adjusted quickly and reached a career milestone early in the 1965–66 season. Pronovost became the seventh player in NHL history to play 1,000 regular season games in a November 28, 1965, contest against the Rangers. He also missed 16 games after suffering strained knee ligaments after colliding with Earl Ingarfield. It was the first of several knee problems that would affect the remainder of Pronovost's career; he also missed games early in the 1966–67 season due to strained knee ligaments.

The 1966–67 Maple Leafs had the oldest roster in the NHL and became known as the "Over the Hill Gang". The team lost ten games in a row at one point, but qualified for the 1967 Stanley Cup playoffs in third place. The Maple Leafs were considered underdogs against both the Chicago Black Hawks in the semi-final and the Canadiens in the final. So much so that organizers at Expo 67 in Montreal built a presentation space for the Stanley Cup in anticipation of victory before the series began. Sports Illustrated writer Pete Axthelm called Pronovost the best defenceman of the finals; he and defensive partner Larry Hillman were on the ice for only one goal against at even strength during the entire post-season. Pronovost also scored a key shorthanded goal in a 4–1 win in the fifth game of the series, and Toronto clinched the Stanley Cup with a 3–1 win at home in game six. It was also his 134th, and ultimately final, playoff game. At the time, only Red Kelly (164) and Gordie Howe (150) had appeared in more.

Pronovost appeared in 70 games for the Maple Leafs in 1967–68 and recorded 20 points, but he was held to only 34 games the following season. He missed the majority of the season to injury, and it was at that time that Maple Leafs president Conn Stafford Smythe suggested Pronovost should be installed as a player-coach of one of Toronto's minor league affiliates. He was offered a position with the Tulsa Oilers of the Central Hockey League (CHL), and though initially reluctant to go, the Oilers organization was able to convince Pronovost and his wife to move to the Oklahoma city. He played and coached for much of the year in Tulsa, but was briefly recalled back to Toronto part way through the 1969–70 NHL season. He recorded one assist in seven games with Toronto, the last of his NHL career.

Coaching career
Supported by Tulsa's general manager Ray Miron, who helped him behind the bench, Pronovost appeared in 53 games for the Oilers in 1969–70 and coached the team to a record. He ended his playing career after appearing in 17 games for Tulsa in 1970–71, and coached two additional seasons for the Oilers before taking his first major league job. The Chicago Cougars of the newly founded World Hockey Association (WHA) announced Pronovost had signed a two-year contract to become the franchise's first head coach on July 6, 1972. He lasted only one season in Chicago before being fired as the Cougars posted a 26–50–2 record in 1972–73.

Pronovost returned to coaching in 1975 as he was hired mid-season to take over the Hull Festivals of the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League (QMJHL). He remained with Hull, who were renamed the Olympiques, for two seasons before he hired to coach the Buffalo Sabres for the 1977–78 NHL season. Pronovost was reluctant to take the job, and did so only following the encouragement of Hull general manager Norm Baril.

Among the highlights for Pronovost and the Sabres in his first season was Buffalo's first regular season victory in franchise history against the Philadelphia Flyers in Philadelphia, on November 10, 1977. Buffalo had 15 losses and two ties in its previous 17 visits (not counting the 1975 Stanley Cup Finals, in which the Sabres won two and lost four). The Sabres finished with a 44–17–19 record and finished second in the Adams Division. They defeated the Rangers in the first round of the playoffs before being eliminated by Philadelphia. However, after the Sabres recorded only eight wins in their first 24 games in 1978–79, the organization fired Pronovost along with general manager Punch Imlach. Pronovost returned to Hull almost immediately, but left the team again in 1979 to become an assistant to head coach Bobby Kromm in Detroit. When Kromm was fired late in the 1979–80 season, general manager Ted Lindsay and Pronovost took over as the team's coaches. Lindsay was the official coach of the team for the final nine games of the season, but Pronovost worked behind the bench as the Red Wings won only two contests and lost seven. Pronovost remained with Detroit as Lindsay's assistant to begin the 1980–81 season, but both were dismissed after Detroit began with a 3–14–3 record.

Returning again to junior hockey, Pronovost was hired as the coach of the Ontario Hockey League's Windsor Spitfires. The team went 22–44–4 in 1981–82, while Pronovost described the following season as being a "disaster". He was given a ten-game suspension for verbally harassing the officials and continuing to coach from the stands after being ejected from a game and was dismissed as Windsor's coach after the team won only two of its first 15 games. Pronovost's final season as a coach came in 1984–85 when he led the junior C Belle River Canadiens to the franchise's first league title and a Clarence Schmalz Cup win as Ontario provincial champions.

Scouting career
Pronovost turned to scouting in 1985 when he joined the NHL Central Scouting Bureau. He already had some experience with the role as one of his duties as coach in Tulsa included searching for talent to improve his team. Pronovost spent five years traveling across North America for the Scouting Bureau. In 1990, he joined the New Jersey Devils as one of the team's scouts. The 2013–14 NHL season was his 24th with the franchise, during which Pronovost has been a member of three Stanley Cup champions, in 1995, 2000 and 2003. New Jersey's goaltender for all three championships was Martin Brodeur, whom Pronovost helped convince the Devils to select with their first pick in the 1990 NHL Entry Draft.

Legacy
Known as an offensive defenceman at the outset of his NHL career, Pronovost played an aggressive rushing style that led Red Wings fans to call him "Detroit's own Flying Frenchman". He also established a reputation as a physical player who rarely missed time to serious injury. He overcame numerous injuries, including a cracked vertebra suffered in 1954. Among his other injuries, he suffered a broken jaw, broke his wrist twice, separated his shoulder and broke his nose 14 times. By age 32, he had required over 200 stitches to close various cuts and lacerations. Pronovost viewed the injuries as part of the game: "My game is a contact sport. It's a game of men. I expected to get bounced and get my lumps. I also expected to play in every single game."

2012 marked Pronovost's 65th year in professional hockey, tying King Clancy for the longest such tenure by anyone in NHL history., a mark since surpassed by John Bucyk. His name has been inscribed on the Stanley Cup eight times; five as a player and three as a scout. The 53-year span between his first victory in 1950 and most recent in 2003 is a record for the trophy. He published an autobiography in 2012 titled A Life in Hockey that documents his career in the sport.

In 1978, Pronovost was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame. He has also been inducted into the Windsor and Essex County Sports Hall of Fame (1995), had his uniform number 4 honoured by the Windsor Spitfires in 2005 and in 2012 was inducted into the Michigan Sports Hall of Fame. The Detroit Red Wings recognized Pronovost's contribution to their organization in 2009 by presenting him with a championship ring from their 2009 title season.

Personal life
Pronovost adopted Windsor as his home having played or worked close to the city for most of his career. He earned a degree in electrical engineering, and during hockey off-seasons drove a truck and did sales for Molson. He met his first wife, Cindy, while playing with her brother on a softball team in Shawinigan. They were married in 1951 and have three children: Michel (Marie), Brigitte and Leo, deceased (Tina). Also three grandchildren, Tannis, Melissa and Ryan. Cindy died of cancer in 1993. Pronovost married his second wife, Eva, in 1994, and he fought his own battle with bladder cancer in 2012. Pronovost died on April 26, 2015, after a brief illness.

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Talk:Squadron Supreme (Supreme Power)

Supremeverse merge
Support - While I didn't list it for merger, I did create Supremeverse and can see little need for it now. It is the setting for one team (basically one book) and a limited crossover series. I see little need for expansion outside of those articles. --Newt ΨΦ 14:58, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

SupportThuranX 20:43, 24 June 2006 (UTC)  You created a subsequent article describing the setting for this series, which means an article SUPPORTING this one, and now you want to merge it into your own? No. 9Edit, changed my vote to reflect my new understanding of the intent.ThuranX 03:20, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: Sorry, the way I understand it, Supremeverse would be merged with this article. Jesus, that'd be pretentious of me. I said above I see no need for the article I created (Supremeverse) anymore.  --Newt ΨΦ 23:38, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Good. Then nominate Supremeverse for speedy deletion.ThuranX 03:41, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

 * OpposeBrown Shoes22 01:17, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Support Cybertooth85 02:35, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Support Simply not enough info for a seperate article. Any important continuity information can be dealt with on the pages of the individual comics. --InShaneee 00:35, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Closed with a consensus of Merge. CovenantD 04:34, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Removal of bibliography
The issue titles (and their respective release dates) are not relevant. Not only are they independent chapters that are better read as a single graphic novel, but they also have a tendency to become a large list as more issues are published. A list of titles, without context, is just clogging the page, and opens the possible that someone will add a list of issue titles to, for example, X-Men, a comic that has over 500 issues published consecutively since 1963 and is more culturally relevant than the re-imagining of a parody. See List of The Amazing Spider-Man comics for my point. --Pc13 17:54, 2005 Jun 5 (UTC)

Info
Thair isn't much info on
 * Doctor Spectrum, (based on Green Lantern)
 * Zarda, better known as Power Princess (based on Wonder Woman),
 * Amphibian (based on Aquaman).

The Character history I add for Doctor Spectrum was deleted by Pc13. --Brown Shoes22 16:26, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Arc III
Hyperion (Superhuman powers and postition with the government), Nighthawk (Who knows what to look for), and the Blur (Superspeed to found him faster) have formed an uneasy partnership. In order to captured the super-human serial killer. After found him and start a fight that slaughtering 35 human and destroys or badly damaged private property. Doctor Spectrum show up and takes Michael Redstone (the super-human serial killer) in custody to a prison original made for Hyperion.

We Meet General Richard Alexander who is now head of the government's new super-hero program and hopes to being Hyperion back under Government control. Redstone origins are introduced as a renegade killer soldier who murder six women and escaped the experiment and in a flashback Tom Thumb is seen. After a fight, Hyperion, Nighthawk, and Blur break up. Nighthawk keeps his distance from the rest, but not his feels like said: Calling Stanley Stewart a House Negro and Hyperion for not stoping Doctor Spectrum, taking Redstone into custody and not stay trial. Mark extraterrestrial origin and the Government's propaganda, decides he was outside the system. Gareth and Henderson ask The Blur to keep quiet about Redstome, fearing bad media and the government cover-up Redstone.

Doctor Spectrum is ordered to look for and capture Amphibian for the Government, after a picture which show she killing would is revealed to the media, the first spotted by humans who she kills in self-defense. After capturing Amphibian and given her the name Kingsley Rice and starts a Romantic relationship. Doctor Spectrum meets Power Princess who attempted to remove the power prism and retrieve her memories. But before that happened, she was attacked by Amphibian in retaliation for harming Spectrum. Later she kills a woman and steals her Identification. General Richard Alexander asks Hyperion to work with them again and he says no. Then it is revealed to the media by means of Jason Scott that Hyperion is an extraterrestrial.

Wikiquote
How do you start a Wikiquote has a collection of quotations by or about: Supreme Power--Brown Shoes22 16:53, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Starting a wikiquote
Who would like to start ass quotes !--Brown Shoes22 06:00, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Started Supreme Power a wikiquote page--Brown Shoes22 16:19, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Add quotes !--Brown Shoes22 02:33, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Several super-humans that have been seen in Supreme Power: Hyperion
--Brown Shoes22 06:11, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Golden Archer
 * 2) Blue Eagle

Name change!
ON Marvel Knights Supreme Power will change to Squadron Supreme--Brown Shoes22 02:49, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

 * You are smoking the wacky weed, Brown Shoes22. Supreme Power will relaunch with a new issue 1 under the Marvel Knights banner, as "Supreme Power". Dyslexic agnostic 09:00, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

 * And I fail to see what's with the urgency. We'll get to that when the comic comes out. Every time something minor happens in Supreme Power, BS22 jumps and adds it to the article.--Pc13 12:10, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

 * I do not smoke Cannabis drugs, Dyslexic agnostic. And in Marvel Previews Issue 28 Page 22 to 23 it say "Suquadron Supreme #1"! I NOT A IDIT ! and to Pc13 it's called a heads up! --Brown Shoes22 05:17, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Hey, calmness! Just playing with you (it's easy to do).  Let me see my copy... one sec... oh, here it is, and on page 22 (flip flip)... WOW!  You are right, Brown Shoes22! Saga of Squadron Supreme!  Then... 'Squadron Supreme #1 !! My word. And a nice pic of Zarda too. OK, team, let's get cracking... major edits to make (NOT). You may have the honour (that's Canadian for honor), BS22!!! Dyslexic agnostic 05:29, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

 * When I say go ahead, though, I would suggest just a one-liner re: the upcoming change. Don't rename the pages or anything scary (please?). Dyslexic agnostic 05:31, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

 * In fact, don't do anything... that means stand still... until issue #1 is published... that is, four months from now. So, don't do anything until February. --Pc13 14:28, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Differences between Supreme Power and Squadron Supreme
Make a new artile. With more indeath information and Character to Character changes.--Brown Shoes22 00:48, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
 * That really doesn't seem necessary. All that page would do is repeat information included on other pages.  If we want more in-depth info, then the more sensible option would be to flesh out the differences on the individual pages, rather than make a new one that would be nothing more than a collection of the info from all the other pages. Pitr 01:55, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Why was Bibliography removed?
Bibliography
 * Supreme Power Vol. 1 (MAX imprint): #1 (August 2003) - #18 (August 2005)
 * Doctor Spectrum: Full Spectrum: #1 (August 2004) - #6 (March 2005)
 * Supreme Power: Nighthawk: #1 (September 2005) -
 * Supreme Power: Hyperion: #1 (September 2005) -
 * Saga of Squadron Supreme: upcoming one-shot issue in February 2006
 * Supreme Power Vol. 2 (Marvel Knights imprint): upcoming onging series starting in 2006

Dyslexic agnostic and/or Pc13 removed this part ?--Brown Shoes22 00:55, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Pc13 removed it... I'm fine with that, but I don't think I agree that the character list should be in the "top" part of the article (should be under heading characters). Dyslexic agnostic 20:04, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Supremeverse
I noticed that there is not an article for the Supremeverse and any time the Supremeverse is mentioned there's just a link back to this article. Should there be a separate article for the Supremeverse? I realize much of the information about the Supremeverse is in this article, but nothing about its distinctness from Earth-616. As a reader of these books, I know at least that there is a difference (though I don't know the half of it), but that doesn't mean everyone does, nor that everyone can garner that there is a difference from this article. I'm gonna go ahead and start a stub. Psyphics 01:50, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

 * I would suggest that Supremeverse redirect to Supreme Power, and that the latter expalin the term. -- Dyslexic agnostic 03:19, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Where does the name Supremeverse come from? I have never seen it other than here.--RedKnight 14:14, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

The Voice
M'Butu's power seems psychic (parapsychological, not psychological) in nature and limited to suggestion so far. Edited the ongoing history in Vol.2 to reflect that. Psyphics 19:19, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Inertia
Does inertia have a DC counterpart? Elijya 16:45, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Her DC counterpart maybe Halo (comics). The character was part of Nighthawk's America Redeemers analogous to the Batman and the Outsiders.--Brown Shoes22 02:11, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Civilians
Recurring civilian characters are not listed. I think Blur's mother, Hyperion's human parents, the first General and others need to be listed. Since I don't have the TPB, I'll need to unbox my set and reference it unless someone else can post them.--Nuke-Marine 01:47, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Arcs Need Own Page
Due to size constraints, will each of the arcs need their own page in time? Two major arcs a year will be bound to add up in time.--Nuke-Marine 01:47, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * NO !! Not it this time. --Brown Shoes22 02:13, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't see why, particularly. Just write a couple of lines per arc. we don't really need that much in depth detail. get the basics. If someone wants ridiculous detail ,they'll read the stories.ThuranX 02:57, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed, a couple lines per arc and when that becomes unwieldy for this article, then we'll talk about splitting. --Newt ΨΦ 03:45, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Couple of lines? It appears each arc gets its own 5 paragraph structure or more. However, it's correct that the size is not unwieldy at this time. It seemed the most likely to get its own page in time if the series continues for more than 40 issues.--Nuke-Marine 07:58, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Each arc should only be a few lines. --Chris Griswold 00:32, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed, the arcs should be briefly summarized. -- Dyslexic agnostic 03:16, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Just to add - WikiProject Comics editorial guidelines do state that plot summaries "should not become so enlarged as to become separate articles" (as per WP:NOT) & "articles focused on describing storylines should be avoided unless significance is established through real world sources". Keep that in mind if considering additional articles. --Mrph 16:29, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Redstone
It says that Redstone has no DC equivalent which maybe accurate for the original Squadron Supreme it isn't very accurate for the Power version. I am going to change the Redstone listing from "No DC eqivalent" to "Ultraman" if there are no objections. Bushido Brown 22:02, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * A little! In the Roy Thomas Squadron Supreme the character was part of Nighthawk's America Redeemers analogous to the Batman and the Outsiders and ounterpart may be based on Geo-Force--Brown Shoes22 22:29, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Is Michael Redstone a new character?--Brown Shoes22 17:27, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Speculation, speculation. If you can't cite it, forget it. And where the heck did the red kryptonite thing come from? It only does that on Smallville! Noclevername 12:18, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Navbox Guidelines
Please follow this link Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics/templates/navboxes to join in on the discussion. --Basique 12:17, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Invisible Woman ?
How is the Arcanna based on the Invisible Woman ?--Brown Shoes22 22:03, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Arcanna is based on Zatanna--RedKnight 14:10, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

That doesn't sound right
"Ultimate Power is a nine-issue comic book limited series that will take place in the Ultimate Marvel Universe (known as Earth-1610), tying that universe into the (second) Supreme Power universe (known as Earth-319160" There are two supreme squadron universes and only one supreme power universe so should the "second" part be dropped? or should supreme power be dropped in favor of supreme squadron.
 * As of the end of the Supreme Power run both teams are now called Squadron Supreme, the distinction between the two would only be the Earth designation number.--RedKnight 14:12, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Supreme Power, Squadron Supreme and the other Squadron Supreme
This is all starting to get tangled. With the ongoing series now Squadron Supreme, it's going to get increasingly confusing as time goes on. Especially as most characters share the same codename and alter ego for all versions. Looking at the current list of articles: ...and WikiProject comics guidelines say that roman numerals are discouraged as a way to identify differing versions of a character, which is a rule that hasn't been applied to most of these, either. Opinions on the best way forward? --Mrph 16:45, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * This article is Supreme Power and only the earlier Thomas/Gruenwald version is under Squadron Supreme
 * Nighthawk (Supreme Power) details this version of the character, with the other versions at Nighthawk (Marvel Comics).
 * Hyperion (Supreme Power) covers this version, Hyperion (comics) covers the other five(!).
 * Doctor Spectrum covers all four versions
 * Power Princess covers two versions
 * Amphibian (comics) covers two versions
 * Redstone (comics) covers two versions
 * Tom Thumb (comics) covers two versions
 * Master Menace covers two versions
 * Inertia (Marvel Comics) covers two versions
 * Shape (comics) covers two versions
 * Nuke (Squadron Supreme) covers two versions
 * Arcanna covers two versions

Five unnamed African super-humans ?
Why no DC Comics or Marvel Comics counterpart. Two would be the Marvel Family and the Poeple of Wakanda--Brown Shoes22 19:26, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Tidy Up
OK...some streamlining to sort this all out for the new reader. Any search for Supreme Power will at present come here, to the Earth-31916 page. Note that this entry is now about just that...the team efforts, not the one-off missions for pairs/trios that came prior to this, as the team had yet to form. It was also all in a "blow by blow" format, which is suitable for fan pages, but not Wikipedia. There's not much there, but then the publication is only just starting. Also culled all the POV, of which there was a great deal.

Asgardian 11:19, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

No Info on the series Supreme Power
Supreme Power is the backstory of Squadron Supreme. But all info was now removed !--Brown Shoes22 04:59, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Merge
Proposal to merge Supreme Power into Squadron Supreme (Supreme Power). Supreme Power was split off of this page after a page move, however both pages cover the exact same subject. Retain Squadron Supreme (Supreme Power) as the main page as it has the longer edit history. -- 69.182.199.231 (talk) 07:20, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Support, so long as the majority of what's merged is the publication history, and not the fannish issue by issue plot recaps, which are excessively long for the 20 or so issues that the series has. I'd go one further, and suggest that as these articles are the 'trunk' articles for the entire rebooted Squadron, we should redirect the couple of miniseries, and include them here in publication history, with larger paragraphs that use one or two sentence plot precis instead of full articles. The miniseries weren't so notable as to really need full wiki-articles. ThuranX (talk) 12:39, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No Supreme Power is a article on the series, Supreme Power and Squadron Supreme Vol.2 and Squadron Supreme (Supreme Power) is article on the team all the backstory would be lost and the Squadron Supreme (Supreme Power) is a bad article and deleting it and merge team info with Supreme Power would be a good thing!!--Brown Shoes22 (talk) 18:53, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Brown Shoes, I'm a little confused by your response. First you say no but then you say a reverse merge would be good. Squadron Supreme (Supreme Power) has the longer edit history aht Supreme Power was spun off from so it has to remain the main page. All info will be returned to main article for editing. -- 69.182.199.231 (talk) 09:02, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Discussion Closed: Result was MERGE

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New Squadron
Should info be added on this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.134.101.223 (talk) 14:11, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Volume numbering
Once again I've had to correct the numbering of the latest Squadron Supreme series. It is volume 2, not volume 3. While we clearly have had 3 series involving these characters, the first of which was under the MAX name, Supreme Power. So we had Supreme Power, Squadron Supreme and now Squadron Supreme v2. And to make this even more concrete, Marvel has always referred to this latest series as volume 2 e.g., http://marvel.com/catalog/?id=9099. Sorted. Planewalker Dave (talk) 09:57, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The problem is the other Squadron Supreme had a 12 issue miniseries back in the mid-80's. That would then make Supreme Power's Squadron Supreme series v2 and v3 respectively. This isn't the first time Marvel has butchered volume numbering (see The Punisher for the most egregious case). Irish Souffle (talk) 11:51, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * What about the Power to the People and Bright Shining Lies TPBs? I can't figure out how they fit into the current list of collected editions. Thanks, Aristophanes 68   (talk)  16:39, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

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Junín Department

Junín Department may refer to:

 * Junín Department, Mendoza, Argentina
 * Junín Department, San Luis, Argentina
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[Category:Peachpit Press Books]
Does not seem to be notable enough for own category. Suggest deletion. You 17:55, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - Certainly not improtant enough Celestianpower 17:58, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)


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Michael Jarrell

Michael Jarrell (born 8 October 1958) is a Swiss composer and academic teacher, whose operas, such as Cassandre, have been performed internationally.

Life
Born in Geneva, Jarrell studied at the Geneva Conservatoire, and later with Klaus Huber in Freiburg. His works span many genres. In 1982, he won first prizes for composition and went on to win many more, including the Acanthes Prize in 1983, the Beethovenpreis awarded by Bonn in 1986, the Marescotti Prize (1986), both the Gaudeamus International Composers Award and the Henriette Renié prizes in 1988, and the Siemens-Förderpreis (1990).

From 1986 to 1988, he was resident at the Cité des Arts in Paris, taking part in the computer music course at IRCAM. His next residency was at the Villa Medici (1988–89), home of the French Academy in Rome, followed by membership of the Istituto Svizzero di Roma in 1989–90, after which he became composer-in-residence at the Orchestre de Lyon (October 1991–June 1993). In 1993, Jarrell was appointed professor of composition at the University of Music and Performing Arts, Vienna.

In 1990, he established some of the bases of Computer Music. In 2016, the composition problem he proposed was successfully solved using a Constraint programming.

In 1996, he became composer-in-residence at Lucerne Festival, while the 2000 Musica Nova Helsinki festival was dedicated to him. In 2001, the Salzburg Festival commissioned a piano concerto entitled Abschied (Farewell). The same year, Jarrell was made a Chevalier of the Order of Arts and Letters. In 2004, he was named professor of composition at the higher Academy of Geneva.

He is regarded throughout Europe as one of the most important Swiss composers of his generation. His "spoken opera" Cassandre, which is based on Christa Wolf's novel Cassandra, was premiered in Paris in 1994 and performed at the Ojai Festival, CA, in June 2008.

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Bob Pulford

Robert Jesse Pulford (born March 31, 1936) is a Canadian former professional ice hockey forward who played for the Toronto Maple Leafs and Los Angeles Kings in the National Hockey League. He later served as head coach of the Kings before spending 30 years with the Chicago Blackhawks as a coach and general manager.

Early life
Pulford and his family lived on King St. in Weston, Ontario from 1940 to 1950, and he attended Memorial School before the family moved to rural Ontario.

Pulford played junior hockey in Weston, then senior hockey for the Marlboros.

Playing career
Pulford played junior hockey for the Toronto Marlboros for three seasons from 1953 to 1956, winning two Memorial Cups under coach Turk Broda. He moved up to the Maple Leafs for the 1956–57 season and remained with the team for 14 seasons wearing jersey number 20. Pulford was an important member of the Leaf teams that won four Stanley Cups in 1962–1964 and 1967.

With the series tied 1–1, Pulford scored the overtime game-winner in game 3 of the 1967 Stanley Cup Finals against the Montreal Canadiens. The Montreal goalie was Rogie Vachon. Pulford later coached Vachon in Los Angeles as the Kings rose to prominence in the mid-1970s.

The Leafs traded him to the Los Angeles Kings on September 3, 1970, where he played two seasons and retired as a player in 1972.

In 1967 Pulford was elected the first president of the National Hockey League Players' Association.

Coaching career
Immediately after retiring as a player, Pulford became head coach of the Kings for the 1972–73 season and led the team for five years before becoming coach and general manager of the Chicago Blackhawks in 1977. As coach of the Kings, he helped Los Angeles go from being one of the worst defensive and penalty-killing teams in the NHL to one of the best. He guided the Kings to their first playoff appearance in five years in 1974 and won the Jack Adams Award as coach of the year in the NHL in 1975. That season, the Kings amassed 105 points, still a club record through 2013. He also led the Kings to their first playoff series wins since 1969 when they defeated the Atlanta Flames in the first round of both the 1976 and 1977 NHL playoffs. Pulford left the Kings after the 1976–77 season after constant feuding with then owner Jack Kent Cooke. Pulford wanted to become General Manager as well as coach, or at least have a bigger role in player personnel decisions. Cooke however, often meddled in player personnel matters, and in the mid-1970s, reverted to his old habits of trading promising young players and draft picks for veterans, past their prime former stars.

He served as coach for the Blackhawks on three separate occasions from 1977 to 1987. He was promoted to senior vice president in 1990, but took on the general manager's duties again from 1992 to 1997, from 1999 to 2000, and from 2003 to 2005. During his third stint as general manager, Pulford nominally doubled as head coach, demoting Lorne Molleken to an assistant. However, Molleken remained the team's main operator on the bench, with Pulford as more or less a senior consultant.

In seven seasons and 426 games as Hawks coach over three stints, Pulford won 182, lost 176, and tied 68. At the time he left the bench for good, only Billy Reay had won more regular season games for the Hawks. Pulford is now third, behind Reay and Joel Quenneville for most regular season games won as Hawk coach.

He won the Jack Adams Award for the best coach in the NHL in 1975. Pulford was also honoured to be named head coach of Team USA during the 1976 Canada Cup tournament.

He was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame in 1991.

On October 11, 2007, Pulford was named an officer with the Wirtz Corporation, parent company of the Blackhawks, and is no longer part of the day-to-day management of the Blackhawks.

His son-in-law is Dean Lombardi, a former assistant general manager for the Minnesota North Stars, GM of the San Jose Sharks, and president and general manager of the Los Angeles Kings. He is currently a senior advisor in the Philadelphia Flyers organization.

In 2012, Pulford was honoured by the Kings in a pregame ceremony; the team wore their purple and gold 1970s throwback uniforms in the game following this ceremony.

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UltramaticGuy-

Just stopped by the article that I started for the UltraMatic transmission last winter and I have to compliment you on the information that you added - the article has far more value now then when I entered it as a stub - Thanks! Stude62 17:58, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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This article began with material from David Rosen, where two different people were being discussed, so its earliest history is at that title. JamesMLane 17:58, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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