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Ex-Cubs Factor

The Ex-Cubs Factor (or Ex-Cub Factor) is a seemingly spurious correlation that was seen as essentially a corollary to the Curse of the Billy Goat. Widely published in the 1990s, the hypothesis asserted that since the appearance by the Chicago Cubs in the 1945 World Series, any baseball team headed into the World Series with three or more former Cubs on its roster has "a critical mass of Cubness" and a strong likelihood of failure.

Ex-Cubs Factor hypothesis
The theory was developed in October 15, 1981 by Ron Berler, a freelance journalist and Cubs fan. Berler posited in an article that "it is utterly impossible for a team with three or more ex-Cubs to win the series." Berler based this on a pattern that he observed in the post-1945 era; 1945 being the last time the Chicago Cubs made it to a World Series until 2016.

Berler cited many examples of teams with three or more ex-Cubs on their teams that reached the World Series and lost: including the 1958 Milwaukee Braves, the 1966 Los Angeles Dodgers, and the 1978 Los Angeles Dodgers. The 1978 Dodgers, according to Berler, had lost the 1977 World Series with three ex-Cubs on their roster and seemed to be doing well the next season when they traded one of those ex-Cubs (Mike Garman) away and began playing excellently. However, four weeks later, the Dodgers traded for ex-Cub Bill North and, in the words of Berler, the "team suffered an immediate tailspin and barely beat Cincinnati to the pennant" (North was actually traded to the Dodgers first on May 17, and Garman was traded away three days later). The 1978 Dodgers lost the World Series to the Yankees leading to Berler's hypothesis of three ex-Cubs making it impossible to win a championship. In addition, the 1980 Kansas City Royals lost the World Series as well with 3 ex-Cubs.

In the original article, Berler predicted that based on this pattern the 1981 New York Yankees would not win the World Series because they had five ex-Cubs on their roster (Oscar Gamble, Bobby Murcer, Dave LaRoche, Rick Reuschel, and Barry Foote), this prediction went against the odds which heavily favored the Yankees at the time. His prediction about the 1981 World Series based on this hypothesis was proved correct with the Yankees losing to the Dodgers, four games to two.

Explanation of the relationship
Berler relates the relationship to the inherent "cubness" that ex-Cubs take to their future teams. In the original article, he wrote that "the ballclub possesses eerie, bewitching powers over its players" and that "'Cubness'...is synonymous with the rankest sort of abject failure, and is a condition chronic among all Cubs, past and present."

Mike Royko, who popularized the term in his columns in Chicago, wrote that cubness was a "virus" where "Three or more ex-Cubs could infect an entire team with the will to lose, no matter how skillful that team might appear." Berler adopted a similar explanation in later articulations, writing that the virus "attacks all who've played for the Cubs, even if only for a single day. There is no inoculation, no cure. When traded to another team, ex-Cubs become carriers of this debilitating disease—the ticks of baseball. Any World Series team infested with three or more of them turns addled and confused, losing all ability to win."

Modified Ex-Cub Factor
Mike Royko developed an additional hypothesis contending that "A team with no ex-Cubs probably has the edge on a team that has even one." The key evidence provided for this was the 1986 World Series which had the New York Mets (with no ex-Cubs) defeat the Boston Red Sox (with a dramatic error by ex-Cub Bill Buckner). This hypothesis was largely discredited in the 2003 World Series with the Florida Marlins (who had ex-Cub Lenny Harris) defeating the New York Yankees (who had no ex-Cubs), though Harris did not play in the World Series.

Cases for the Ex-Cubs Factor hypothesis
Since 1945, of the 24 teams to reach the World Series with three or more Cubs players, only 4 have won the World Series (the 1960 Pirates, the 2001 Diamondbacks, the 2008 Phillies, and the 2012 Giants). Since its articulation in 1981, the Ex-Cubs Factor has been used to predict and explain post-season and World Series defeats for many different baseball teams.

During the 1980s, the ex-Cubs factor was used to explain a number of losses by teams. It was used, in a letter to the editor, as a reason for the loss by the San Diego Padres (who ironically beat the Cubs to get to the Series) in the 1984 World Series (with three ex-Cubs) and by the collapse of the 1985 Toronto Blue Jays who had added ex-Cub Cliff Johnson on August 28 and then blew a 3-1 lead over the Royals in the 1985 American League Championship Series.

While not falling under the curse in the traditional sense, Bill Buckner's infamous gaffe in Game 6 of the 1986 World Series can be interpreted to fit the Ex-Cubs Factor. Buckner, a former Cub, booted a ground ball hit by New York Mets batter Mookie Wilson, allowing Ray Knight to come around and score the winning run. The Mets would go on to win the series in seven games, and Buckner would never win the World Series in his career. Upon video analysis, Buckner was shown to be wearing a Cubs batting glove under his mitt when he made the error.

The theory became more prominent in 1990 when it was popularized by syndicated Chicago Tribune columnist Mike Royko and continued predictions by Ron Berler. On October 16, 1990, Berler again asserted the ex-Cubs factor as the reason that the favored Oakland Athletics (with ex-Cubs Scott Sanderson, Dennis Eckersley, and Ron Hassey) would lose in the 1990 World Series (which they did by getting swept by the Cincinnati Reds). It was again cited by Berler as a reason for the defeat of the league-leading 1991 Pittsburgh Pirates in the 1991 National League Championship Series to the Atlanta Braves. Mike Royko used the ex-Cubs factor to predict the playoff collapse of the 104-win 1993 Atlanta Braves (which did occur in the 1993 National League Championship Series).

The ex-Cubs factor hypothesis was used to predict the San Francisco Giants (with three ex-Cubs Shawon Dunston, Benito Santiago and Tim Worrell) loss to the Anaheim Angels in the 2002 World Series.

The ex-Cubs factor hypothesis has also been used to explain the results of the 2004 American League Championship Series (ALCS) and the 2004 World Series, both won by the Boston Red Sox. In the 2004 ALCS, the Yankees (with six ex-Cubs) lost a 3-0 game lead to the Boston Red Sox, the first time in Major League Baseball history. The Red Sox (with only two ex-Cubs) then went on to defeat the St. Louis Cardinals (with three ex-Cubs) in the World Series. The 2009 World Series resulted in a win by the New York Yankees (with two ex-Cubs) over the Philadelphia Phillies (with three ex-Cubs).

Cases against the Ex-Cubs Factor hypothesis
Berler's study of the ex-Cub factor since 1945 revealed only one exception since 1945: the 1960 Pittsburgh Pirates, who won the World Series with three ex-Cubs on their roster. Berler contends that one of those ex-Cubs, Don Hoak, spent so little time in Chicago (121 games in one season), that he did not fully develop what Berler called his "Cubness". Berler quoted pitcher Jim Brosnan as saying that "Hoak is quite possibly the only man who ever conquered his Cubness".

The Society for American Baseball Research researched the rosters of each World Series roster from 1946 to 2013 through records and noted each Series that had at least one former Cub while noting the distinct conjectures between Berler and Royko's theories. Perhaps predictably, the Berler rate was found to be more effective (17/22 as compared to 32/56), although there are a few evident cases against each conjecture.

Most notably, the 1973 Oakland A's had three ex-Cubs in Pat Bourque, Ken Holtzman, and Bill North all on the roster during their run to the World Series, although North did not play in the Series due to injury. This also applies to the 1979 Pittsburgh Pirates, who won the World Series with three former Cub players in Matt Alexander, Bill Madlock, and Dave Roberts, although Roberts didn't play in the Series itself.

The 2001 Arizona Diamondbacks similarly had four ex-Cubs on their roster (Miguel Batista, Mark Grace, Mike Morgan, and Luis Gonzalez) but defeated the New York Yankees in the 2001 World Series. Mark Grace declared in an post-game interview that "We beat the ex-Cub Factor!". The sympathy many fans felt for New York City following the September 11 attacks, topped off by the four ex-Cubs on the Arizona roster, seemed to stack up against the Diamondbacks. But Arizona won Game 6 in a lopsided score, and then won Game 7 in a come-from-behind finish, scoring a pair of runs in the ninth inning to win the Series. In fact, two of the four former Cubs played prominent roles in that ninth inning, Mark Grace getting a lead off single and Luis Gonzalez driving in the winning run with a single.

The 1960 Pittsburgh Pirates and the 2001 Arizona Diamondbacks (both with victories over the New York Yankees) are among the few instances of teams ever having won the World Series in Game 7 walk-off victories. The former was a home run hit by Bill Mazeroski to end the 1960 World Series.

The 2008 Philadelphia Phillies team was declared prior to the post-season by Berler as "doomed this year by the Ex-Cub Factor" (with three ex-Cubs Scott Eyre, Jamie Moyer, and Matt Stairs on their roster). However, the Phillies defeated the Los Angeles Dodgers (a team also with three ex-Cubs) in the National League Championship Series and the Tampa Bay Rays (one ex-Cub) in the 2008 World Series.

Applied to other teams
The Ex-Cubs Factor hypothesis has been applied to other professional baseball teams in both positive and negative references. For example, sports writer Jeff Blair has argued there exists an "ex-Expos factor" where number of former Montreal Expos players correlates with post-season success, owing to several careers starting in Montreal that ranged from Randy Johnson (the winning pitcher of the final game in 2001) to Pedro Martínez (part of the Red Sox team who made the epic comeback over the Yankees in 2004) to Gary Carter (was on the Mets team that won in 1986), each of which whom won a World Series after leaving the Expos. Jim Caple for ESPN.com has similarly proposed an ex-Mariners factor (or XMF) which explores the excellent play by ex-Mariners for other teams in postseason baseball.

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User:Pauly~enwiki

Pauly AKA Paul Clarke. I am a programmer and web developer, originally from Portchester, Hampshire now living in Folkestone, Kent and working in London.

I made the systems behind the websites for Popex, Celebdaq, Popbitch, Barfly, NME, and The Fly among others.

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Odqan

Odqan is a fire spirit in the shamanistic traditions of Mongolia. The name, meaning 'fire king', is borrowed from Turkish

He is usually described as a red coloured humanoid, riding a brown goat. His older female counterpart is Yal-un eke, the 'fire mother'.

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Iam Balan B - a Manipuri - Born and brought up in Imphal(Manipur, India), currently residing at Bangalore, India.

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Stonnall

Stonnall is a large village in Staffordshire, England, close to Shenstone, Brownhills, Walsall Wood and Aldridge. It is divided into Upper Stonnall, Stonnall and Lower Stonnall — Upper Stonnall partly lies in the Metropolitan Borough of Walsall; the remainder of the village is in the district of Lichfield.

The village is closely associated with the hamlets of Hilton, Lynn and Thornes. It has a population of 1,546 residents.

Etymology
There are two possibilities or there may have been two dialectal forms.

The name Stonnall may be derived from the Anglo-Saxon words stan and halh, meaning stony nook of land.

However, in the medieval pipe rolls, the alternative Stonwal is given alongside the more familiar form. In this case, the second element may be Anglo-Saxon waelle, giving a meaning of a stony and watery place. It is certainly true that the area has been historically prone to flooding.

History
Bronze Age activity in the area is attested by the discovery of the Stonnall Hoard at Gainsborough Farm in 1824. The items recovered included 22 bronze, copper and lead artefacts.

Iron Age activity in the area is attested by the hill fort at Castle Old Fort, otherwise known locally as the Castles or Stonnall Hill Fort. The fort was probably constructed by the Celtic tribe, the Cornovii.

In the 12th century, Stonnall together with the rest of the Parish of Shenstone was given to Osney Abbey by Baron Robert D'Oyly, the high constable of Oxford. Stonnall remained in the hands of the abbey until the Reformation.

After the Reformation, much of the land was in the ownership of the Manor of Shenstone based at Little Aston Hall.

In the late Middle Ages, Stonnall was a staging point on the coach route between London and Chester. The Welsh Harp and the Swan Inn provided service to travellers on Old Chester Road.

In the early 19th century, under the direction of the Church of England and with the assistance of the manor, a very highly detailed tithe map of the Parish of Shenstone was produced, along with a book of awards that was signed off by John Mellor, the estate manager at Little Aston Hall. These documents are extant and kept in a county records office.

St Peter's Chapel of Ease was built in 1822 and consecrated on 23 January 1823. Some years later, Stonnall became an ecclesiastic parish in its own right and the chapel was consequently designated as a fully-fledged parish church. Its first minister was Rev James Downes BA, who was the incumbent until his death in 1893.

William Tennant, Lord of the Manor of Shenstone, gave the land on which the church is situated along with £100 towards the construction of the building. Robert Peel of Tamhorn gave a further £60. A total of £623/19s/0d was raised from public subscriptions. John Mellor took on the role as clerk of works as building began.

William Tennant also provided land for the construction of the National School, Stonnall's first educational establishment. This served the village and surrounding area until 1874 when St Peter's School was opened.

Stonnall was part of Lichfield Rural District until 1 April 1974, when local government was reorganised following the Local Government Act 1972.

Local government
As a constituent part of the civil parish of Shenstone, the village elects members to Shenstone Parish Council.

As far as higher local government is concerned, the village is divided between two local authorities. The division of the village that is to the west of Chester Road is part of the metropolitan borough of Walsall.

To the east of the road, Stonnall is part of the District of Lichfield. Liz Hassall and Joseph Powell are the currently elected to Lichfield District Council.

Stonnall is part of Lichfield Rural South ward of Staffordshire County Council. David Smith is the current county councillor for that ward.

United Kingdom Parliament
Stonnall is within the parliamentary constituency of Tamworth. The current member of parliament is Sarah Edwards.

Notable buildings in Stonnall
Wordsley House, which is located in upper Main Street (originally a part of Old Chester Road), is the former public house and inn known as the Welsh Harp. This was for many years one of the staging posts on the coach route between London and Chester.

The Manor House at Lazy Hill was built by Rowland Fryth of Thornes Hall in the early 18th century and was the former public house and inn known as the Swan Inn. Originally, it was built to compete with the Welsh Harp for coaching route business.

Other buildings in Stonnall
Stonnall has a small collection of shops, two public houses, (the Royal Oak and The Swan), a village hall and St Peter's C of E Primary School. There are also many residential buildings and some farm buildings, with the Sandhills water pumping station, owned by South Staffordshire Water, located just outside the village. There is also a park and the Youth and Community Centre.

A notable landmark
Stonnall features an isolated beech tree on top of Grove Hill. Known as the Stonnall Tree, it has been the cause of endless fascination and speculation for over a hundred years and has become a village icon.

Drainage
Pen Brook rises at the Fox Covey on Castle Hill and flows through Stonnall Gorse and alongside Lazy Hill Road where it then enters a series of culverts at Chester Road. The brook is visible on the eastern side of the playing fields and again where it emerges from the last culvert at the Wall Heath fields.

Public transport
Stonnall is served by hourly Chaserider service 36 which runs between Walsall, Aldridge and Lichfield. Previously this service was operated by Midland Rider as 991 then by Central Buses and Diamond Bus as route 35B. Select Bus took over and curtailed the route from Lichfield to Aldridge only. However this was recently extended back to Walsall following the takeover by Chaserider. The nearest railway station is at Shenstone.

Notable people
Sidney John Genders, who in 1970 was the first person to row single-handedly across the Atlantic, was born in Lynn in 1919.

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Tangut language

Tangut (Tangut: ; ) is an extinct language in the Sino-Tibetan language family.

Tangut was one of the official languages of the Western Xia dynasty, founded by the Tangut people in northwestern China. The Western Xia was annihilated by the Mongol Empire in 1227. The Tangut language has its own script, the Tangut script. The latest known text written in the Tangut language, the Tangut dharani pillars, dates to 1502, suggesting that the language was still in use nearly three hundred years after the collapse of Western Xia.

Classification
Since the 2010s, Tangutologists have commonly classified Tangut as a Qiangic or Gyalrongic language. On the basis of both morphological and lexical evidence, Lai et al. (2020) classify Tangut as a West Gyalrongic language, and Beaudouin (2023) as a Horpa language.

Rediscovery
Modern research into the Tangut languages began in the late 19th century and early 20th century when S. W. Bushell, Gabriel Devéria, and Georges Morisse separately published decipherments of a number of Tangut characters found on Western Xia coins, in a Chinese–Tangut bilingual inscription on a stele at Wuwei, Gansu, and in a copy of the Tangut translation of the Lotus Sutra.

The majority of extant Tangut texts were excavated at Khara-Khoto in 1909 by Pyotr Kozlov, and the script was identified as that of the Tangut state of Xixia. Such scholars as Aleksei Ivanovich Ivanov, Ishihama Juntaro (石濱純太郎), Berthold Laufer, Luo Fuchang (羅福萇), Luo Fucheng (羅福成), and Wang Jingru (王靜如) have contributed to research on the Tangut language. The most significant contribution was made by the Russian scholar Nikolai Aleksandrovich Nevsky (1892–1937), who compiled the first Tangut dictionary and reconstructed the meaning of a number of Tangut grammatical particles, thus making it possible to actually read and understand Tangut texts. His scholarly achievements were published posthumously in 1960 under the title Tangutskaya Filologiya (Tangut Philology), and the scholar was eventually (and posthumously) awarded the Soviet Lenin Prize for his work. The understanding of the Tangut language is far from perfect: although certain aspects of the morphology (Ksenia Kepping, The Morphology of the Tangut Language, Moscow: Nauka, 1985) and grammar (Tatsuo Nishida, Seika go no kenkyū, etc.) are understood, the syntactic structure of Tangut remains largely unexplored.

The Khara-Khoto documents are at present preserved in the Institute of Oriental Manuscripts of the Russian Academy of Sciences in Saint Petersburg. These survived the Siege of Leningrad, but a number of manuscripts in the possession of Nevsky at the time of his arrest by the People's Commissariat for Internal Affairs (NKVD) in 1937 went missing, and were returned, under mysterious circumstances, to the Institute of Oriental Manuscripts only in October 1991. The collections amount to about 10,000 volumes, of mostly Buddhist texts, law codes and legal documents dating from mid-11th up to early 13th centuries. Among the Buddhist texts a number of unique compilations, not known either in Chinese or in Tibetan versions, were recently discovered. Furthermore, the Buddhist canon, the Chinese classics, and a great number of indigenous texts written in Tangut have been preserved. These other major Tangut collections, though much smaller in size, belong to the British Library, the French National Library ('Bibliothèque nationale de France'), the National Library in Beijing, the Library of Beijing University and other libraries.

Reconstruction
The connection between the writing and the pronunciation of the Tangut language is even more tenuous than that between Chinese writing and the modern Chinese varieties. Thus although in Chinese more than 90% of the characters possess a phonetic element, this proportion is limited to about 10% in Tangut according to Sofronov. The reconstruction of Tangut pronunciation must resort to other sources.

The discovery of the Pearl in the Palm, a Tangut–Chinese bilingual glossary, permitted Ivanov (1909) and Laufer (1916) to propose initial reconstructions and to undertake the comparative study of Tangut. This glossary in effect indicates the pronunciation of each Tangut character with one or several Chinese characters, and inversely each Chinese character with one or more Tangut characters. The second source is the corpus of Tibetan transcriptions of Tangut. These data were studied for the first time by Nevsky (Nevskij) (1925).

Nonetheless, these two sources were not in themselves sufficient for a systematic reconstruction of Tangut. In effect, these transcriptions were not written with the intention of representing with precision the pronunciation of Tangut, but instead simply to help foreigners to pronounce and memorize the words of one language with the words of another which they could understand.

The third source, which constitutes the basis of the modern reconstructions, consists of monolingual Tangut dictionaries: the Wenhai (文海), two editions of the Tongyin (同音), the Wenhai zalei (文海雜類) and an untitled dictionary. The record of the pronunciation in these dictionaries is made using the principle of fǎnqiè, borrowed from the Chinese lexicographic tradition. Although these dictionaries may differ on small details (e.g. the Tongyin categorizes the characters according to syllable initial and rime without taking any account of tone), they all adopt the same system of 105 rimes. A certain number of rimes are in complementary distribution with respect to the place of articulation of the initials, e.g. rimes 10 and 11 or rimes 36 and 37, which shows that the scholars who composed these dictionaries had made a very precise phonetic analysis of their language.

In distinction to the transcription in foreign languages, the Tangut fanqie makes distinctions among the rhymes in a systematic and very precise manner. Due to the fǎnqiè, we now have a good understanding of the phonological categories of the language. Nonetheless, it is necessary to compare the phonological system of the dictionaries with the other sources in order to "fill in" the categories with a phonetic value.

N. A. Nevsky reconstructed Tangut grammar and provided the first Tangut–Chinese–English–Russian dictionary, which together with the collection of his papers was published posthumously in 1960 under the title Tangut Philology (Moscow: 1960). Later, substantial contribution to the research of Tangut language was done by Tatsuo Nishida (西田龍雄), Ksenia Kepping, Gong Hwang-cherng (龔煌城), M.V. Sofronov and Li Fanwen (李範文). Marc Miyake has published on Tangut phonology and diachronics. There are four Tangut dictionaries available: the one composed by N.A. Nevsky, one composed by Nishida (1966), one composed by Li Fanwen (1997, revised edition 2008) and one composed by Yevgeny Kychanov (2006).

There is growing a school of Tangut studies in China. Leading scholars include Shi Jinbo (史金波), Li Fanwen, Nie Hongyin (聶鴻音), Bai Bin (白濱) in mainland China, and Gong Hwang-cherng and Lin Ying-chin (林英津) in Taiwan. In other countries, leading scholars in the field include Yevgeny Kychanov and his student K. J. Solonin in Russia, Nishida Tatsuo and Shintarō Arakawa (荒川慎太郎) in Japan, and Ruth W. Dunnell in the United States.

Phonology
The Tangut syllable has a CV structure and carries one of two distinctive tones, flat or rising. Following the tradition of Chinese phonological analysis the Tangut syllable is divided into initial (聲母) and rhyme (韻母) (i.e. the remaining syllable minus the initial).

Consonants
The consonants are divided into the following categories:

The rhyme books distinguish 105 rhyme classes, which are, in turn, classified in several ways:/grade (等), type (環), and class (攝).

Tangut rhymes occur in three types (環). They are seen in the tradition of Nishida, followed by both Arakawa and Gong as 'normal' (普通母音), 'tense' (緊喉母音), and 'retroflex' (捲舌母音). Gong leaves normal vowels unmarked and places a dot under tense vowels and an -r after retroflex vowels. Arakawa differs only by indicating tense vowels with a final -q.

The rhyme books distinguish four vowel grades (等). In early phonetic reconstructions, all four were separately accounted for, but it has since been realized that grades three and four are in complementary distribution, depending on the initial. Consequently, the reconstructions of Arakawa and Gong do not account for this distinction. Gong represents these three grades as V, iV, and jV. Arakawa accounts for them as V, iV, and V.

In general rhyme class (攝) corresponds to the set of all rhymes under the same rhyme type which have the same main vowel.

Gong further posits phonemic vowel length and points to evidence that indicates that Tangut had a distinction that Chinese lacked. There is no certainty that the distinction was vowel length and so other researchers have remained skeptical.

Vowels
Miyake reconstructs the vowels differently. In his reconstruction, the 95 vowels of Tangut formed from a six-vowel system in Pre-Tangut because of preinitial loss. (The two vowels in parentheses appeared only in loanwords from Chinese, and many of the vowels in class III were in complementary distribution with their equivalents in class IV.)

The classes here is related to those of Chinese rime tables.

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Nicolas Bentley

Nicolas Clerihew Bentley (14 June 1907 – 14 August 1978) was a British writer and illustrator, best known for his humorous cartoon drawings in books and magazines in the 1930s and 1940s. The son of Edmund Clerihew Bentley (inventor of the clerihew verse form), he was given the name Nicholas, but opted to change the spelling.

Early career
Nicholas Clerihew Bentley was born on 14 June 1907 at Highgate in London. He was educated at University College School, which he left at the age of 17, having decided that his academic abilities would not take him to university. He then enrolled at Heatherleys School of Fine Art, a prestigious private college, but left after a few months. After leaving Heatherley's, Bentley worked without pay as a clown in a circus. When this job ended, he was a film extra; and during the General Strike of 1926 he worked on the London Underground.

Professional illustration
It was at this time that Bentley sold his first drawing to his godfather, G. K. Chesterton. He had a commission to draw illustrations for a trade newspaper called Man and his clothes in 1928, and his first regular job as an illustrator was in the publicity department of Shell. Bentley worked for Shell for three years, but disliked working in advertising. In 1930, Hilaire Belloc (who was a friend of his father) invited him to illustrate his book New Cautionary Tales. The good critical reception of this book and its illustrations allowed him to go freelance.

Publishing career
As well as becoming a freelance artist, writer and journalist, Bentley also followed a career in publishing. From 1950 he was director of Andre Deutsch. He later worked as an editor for Mitchell Beazley Ltd; for Sunday Times Publications from 1962 to 1963; and for Thomas Nelson from 1963 to 1967.

Author and Illustrator
During the 1930s Bentley illustrated works ranging from J. B. Morton to Damon Runyon. His most famous drawings were to illustrate T. S. Eliot's Old Possum's Book of Practical Cats, but he illustrated more than 70 books in the course of a long career. He customarily used the byline "Nicolas Bentley drew the pictures". His favourite illustration work was for his own books and he considered himself primarily an author. One of his best-known books, Ready Refusals, or, The White Liar's Engagement Book gives a quotation for every day of the year, drawn from a surprisingly wide range of sources, together with an appropriate illustration. He also wrote and illustrated Golden Sovereigns – and some of lesser value – from Boadicea to Elizabeth II (1970), a humorous book about the English/British monarchy.

Marriage
On 17 October 1934, he married Barbara Hastings (1908–1989), a writer of children's books and the daughter of Sir Patrick Gardiner Hastings; they had one child, Arabella, in 1943.

Post-war work
Bentley had enrolled as an auxiliary fireman in 1938 and served in the London Fire Brigade during the Second World War. He illustrated How to be an Alien (1946) by George Mikes.

After the war he took a few regular cartooning jobs, including on Time and Tide (1952–54) and drawing pocket cartoons for the Daily Mail from 1958. He gave this job up in 1962, complaining that it put too much strain on him. In later life he was the illustrator for Auberon Waugh's Diary in Private Eye and contributed other cartoons to the magazine.

He moved to Downhead, near Shepton Mallet in Somerset. He died on 14 August 1978, in the Royal United Hospital, Bath, Somerset.

His autobiography, A Version of the Truth, was published in 1960. On his death, Auberon Waugh wrote in Private Eye: "Nick was a gentle, modest, humorous man, with none of the usual characteristics of the highly individual genius which inspired his quiet professionalism and supreme technical ability."

Books written and illustrated (selected)

 * All Fall Down (Nicholson & Watson, 1932)
 * Die? I Thought I'd Laugh (Methuen, 1936)
 * Ballet-Hoo (Cresset, 1937)
 * Le Sport (Gollancz, 1937)
 * The Tongue-Tied Canary (Joseph, 1948)
 * The Floating Dutchman (1950)
 * Third Party Risk (Michael Joseph, 1953)
 * How can you bear to be human? (Deutsch, 1957)
 * Nicholas Bentley: A Version of the Truth (Deutsch, 1960)
 * Nicholas Bentley's Book of Birds (Andre Deutsch 1965)
 * The Victorian Scene: 1837-1901 (Weidenfeld, 1968)
 * Tales From Shakespeare (Beazley, 1972)
 * Edwardian Album (Weidenfeld & Nicolson / Cardinal, 1974)
 * The Dickens Index
 * Tales from Shakespeare
 * Inside Information – crime novel (Deutsch 1974)
 * Nicolas Bentley's Book of Birds
 * Second Thoughts
 * case of a sharp-eyed jeweller

Books illustrated (selected)

 * Bentley, E. C., More Biography (Methuen, 1929)
 * Belloc, H., New Cautionary Tales (Duckworth, 1930)
 * Morton, J. B., The Beachcomber Omnibus (Muller, 1931)
 * Belloc, H., Cautionary Verses (1940)
 * Eliot, T. S., Old Possum's Book of Practical Cats (Faber, 1940)
 * Queneau, Raymond, Zazie (Bodley Head, 1960) – dust jacket design only
 * Southern, Terry, The Magic Christian (Deutsch, 1959) – dust jacket design only
 * Duke of Bedford, John, The Duke of Bedford's Book of Snobs (Peter Owen, 1965)

title: Nicolas Bentley


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Ben Franklin (Canadian politician)

Ben Franklin (August 15, 1942–March 22, 2003) was a Canadian teacher and politician who served as mayor of the city of Nepean, Ontario from 1978 to 1997.

Early life
Franklin was born in Elgin, Ontario on August 15, 1942, one of three children. Franklin's mother was a school teacher and his father worked at a cheese factory before serving in the Second World War. The factory closed by the time his father returned and the family moved to Ottawa, living in the downtown area before moving to the west end. His father found work as a taxi driver and, later, became manager of the Red Line taxi fleet at the Ottawa Airport.

As a teenager, Franklin attended Glebe Collegiate and, later, Laurentian High School. He studied at Carleton University and Ottawa Teacher's College. He worked for the Ottawa Board of Education as a geography teacher – at both the elementary and high school level – from 1964 to 1978. He married Sherrell Willman and the couple had two children.

Political career
Franklin was first elected to the Nepean council in 1972 and he took office in January 1973. He continued working at as a teacher, as the council position was a part-time job. In 1975, he ran unsuccessfully as the Liberal candidate in the riding of Carleton in the Ontario general election.

Franklin was first elected mayor in the 1978 municipal election, defeating fellow councillor Robert C. Mitchell. Franklin was Nepean's second mayor following Andrew Haydon, who had held the position for the six days following Nepean's incorporation. As mayor, Franklin established a "pay as you go" policy which brought the city out of debt. He retired in 1997 due to health problems. His executive assistant, Mary Pitt, succeeded him as mayor of Nepean after running a campaign that promised to continue Franklin's vision. Nepean became part of the city of Ottawa in 2001.

Later life
Franklin received an artificial heart in March 2003 but died of heart failure later that month at the age of 60.

Awards and recognition
Ben Franklin Place at Centrepointe was named after Franklin. In 2001, he was the first person to be given an honorary key to the new city of Ottawa.

title: Ben Franklin (Canadian politician)


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User talk:Flowerofchivalry

Welcome!
Welcome!

Hello,, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers: I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Where to ask a question, ask me on my talk page, or place  on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome! Flcelloguy 18:50, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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P.S. If you have any questions at all, don't hesitate to ask me at my talk page. (Just click the link and click the "edit" tab). Happy Wiki-editing!

3RR violation
Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert an article to a previous version more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you.

I note that you have already reverted Iris Chang 4 times today, but as you have not previously been warned I am not blocking you this time. I will block you if you make 1 more revert, or break the 3 revert rule in future. Thryduulf 10:27, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

reply from my talk page
I'm sorry for not explaining it so you could understand last time, I'll try again below. I hope this helps. Thryduulf 07:11, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * The Three Revert Rule (3RR) means that you can be blocked if you revert any page more than three times in any 24 period.
 * user:Markalexander100 (who signs himself as just Mark) reported on the 3RR violations page - Administrators' noticeboard/3RR - that you had reverted the Iris Chang article 4 times between 06:45 and 15:41 (both times UTC) yesterday (3 June).
 * Normally this would mean that you would be blocked from editing for 24 hours. However, as you had not been warned about the rule I used my discretion and did not block you (obviously), but chose to warn you instead.
 * When I wrote the warning method, what I meant was that if you made one more revert before 09:24 today (one 24 hours and 1 minute after the second revert), then I would block you for violating the rule. The second part means that as you have been warned, any time in the future you make 4 or more reverts in any 24 period you will be blocked.
 * You can read the report Mark made at Administrators' noticeboard/3RR, which details all the individual reverts.
 * You can revert Iris Chang in the future, as long as you don't break the 3RR. That said, continutally reverting is not acceptable. If there are any disputes as to the content of an article the first step is to discuss in on the talk page - in this case talk:Iris Chang.

RFC
Hi Flowerofchivalry. After much deliberation we have decided to bring RfC into play, and we have submitted a request for comment here. Please respond to it under the "response" heading. Thanks. -Hmib 11:47, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Thank you for providing me a funny commedy story. I'm sure this does not work because the person must be accused is you. Don't you remember? Mark told you to stick to the facts. If you sticked to the fact, you can't accuse me. Don't waste your time while complaining you have the final exam. --Flowerofchivalry 12:35, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Please provide an example where I did not state a fact. -Hmib 12:41, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * BTW, feel free to start a RfC against me. -Hmib 12:43, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * All. Oh wait, it is a fact that my English sucks. So what? You can fix my English if you can. Why not??
 * RfC against you? I think I don't need it because you did by yourself. I told you you shouldn't do it but you don't listen. --Flowerofchivalry 12:45, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Please direct all further RfC-related issues to its own talkpage, and/or write a response. -Hmib 12:54, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Iris Chang
Hey, Flower, you're just going to have to deal with the fact that Japan did lots of really evil things in Asia in the 1930's and 1940's. I don't blame most contemporary Japanese for what their ancestors did - but those like you, who aren't strong enough to face the truth and admit it, well, them I consider to be voluntarily taking a share of the guilt for those heinous acts. Noel (talk) 21:07, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hello Noel or Jnc, thank you for your comment. I have one question. Why you assume "Japan did lots of really evil things in Asia in the 1930's and 1940's." There are many sources that support your assuming while there are many sources that decline your assuming. --Flowerofchivalry 21:18, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

So what the Japs did in China are all 'assumptions'? And there's alot of 'evidence' from nwo-Nazis on that the Holocaust never happened. Why don't you include them as well?

Help...
OK.

I want to be impartial and not favor either side in this, and to do so I will not be researching the article or articles in question. I will merely attempt to help facilitate discussion. I might or might not also work with others in the dispute, anyone who asks for help, I will attempt to help.

I am assuming good faith on the part of everyone involved, to begin with, and I will not 'take sides' or judge who is wrong or right, merely make suggestions. If that works for you, I would be glad to help.

Also, our conversations on my talk page will be available for anyone to read, I see no need for secrecy... portions of our discussion might be copied to the appropriate article's talk page.

One issue that may be affecting communication is that at least one of you appear to not be a native speaker of English. If you have difficulty expressing your ideas, I would be happy to "translate your English into English" for you, and try to help you express precisely what it is you wish to express.

It would be helpful to me if you don't refer to other editors in our discussion, but merely the statements:
 * that are in the article, but are false, or untrue, or misleading;
 * that are in the article but are not neutral or are not 'encyclopedic;
 * that are not in the article but are important and must be included for completeness;
 * that contain Point of View problems, either:
 * expressing a strong point of view that is not neutral
 * or
 * omitting an opposing, valid point of view.

Just to begin. I'll check my messages tonight. I am in time zone GMT - 8 hours, West Coast of North America. Please continue this discussion on my talk page in the section you started.

If you have any questions, I'm happy to answer. Pedant 21:33, 2005 Jun 25 (UTC)

I greatly appreciate your help. Yes, please do NOT  favor my side...because I have to listen to the third parties' opinion.

I strongly believe Hmib has made all the problems, but if you find my problem, please do not hesitate to tell me that. This is what I would like you to do it.

In addition, yes, my English sucks. This is a fact. However, I passed all university level English composition classes. It is clear for me that I have to keep improving my skill of English.

Again, thank you for your offer, and please don't hesitate to point my problem, if there is any. --Flowerofchivalry 01:11, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * more on my talk page Pedant 02:09, 2005 Jun 26 (UTC)
 * even more on my page, glad we are making some fast progress, thanks for your quick replies. I'll be offline until tomorrow afternoon or evening.Pedant 03:16, 2005 Jun 26 (UTC)
 * Just checking in with you, glad you are not stressed by recent events. Yes the RfC can take good care of itself, and will only serve to help bring attention to the problems you were having with the article.  Just remember to be polite to anyone, especially someone who isn't polite at all, and you will have almost no problems at all.  Please let me know if you need more help with anything, or advice.  Or if there is an interesting article growing somewhere, I edit almost any subject.  Pedant 2005 June 30 23:32 (UTC)
 * I understand. I even appreciate Hmib to post the RfC so many people are now paying attention to us. I'm extremely busy these days, but I still pay attention to Wikipedia. Thanks. --Flowerofchivalry 1 July 2005 06:05 (UTC)

Vandalism
Hi Flower, can you supply a link to where s/he said "a fucking jap neo-nazi holocaust denier." Thanks, SlimVirgin (talk) 10:41, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)

here or here or here or here or here if not more. Sorry for lacking the information.

--Flowerofchivalry 10:47, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

or this. There are many. --Flowerofchivalry 10:55, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for supplying the links. I've left a warning on his talk page. If he does it again, let me know. SlimVirgin (talk) 10:58, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)

 * Thank you for your help. I hope it works. --Flowerofchivalry 10:59, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Flower, thanks for reverting those edits/articles of mine that person kept editing for criticism of the CCP/Mao/etc. John Smith's 16:36, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * You're very welcome. --Flowerofchivalry 21:26, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Godammit, that person is at it again. Can you help me by reverting articles when you can? I'll be doing it 3 times in 24hrs at this rate. Cheers! John Smith's 28 June 2005 09:30 (UTC)

Next time, please do not forget to sign your comment. I will do my best, but I have a broken heart right now, and almost start crying because my friend left the US. I'm busy with planing to go and see her ;) Anyhow, I have never overlooked vandalism and not going to. If I can help you more, don't hesitate to tell me ok?

--Flowerofchivalry 28 June 2005 09:34 (UTC)

 * Flower, I don't see the example you gave as being a personal or racist attack. What you have with the anon is a content dispute, so the way to deal with it is to stick closely to our policies: WP:NPOV, WP:NOR, and Cite sources. Write in an encyclopedic style, and cite reputable sources for any contentious points you make. I can't get involved in the details of the dispute because I'm not familiar with the issues. Cheers, SlimVirgin (talk) June 29, 2005 06:13 (UTC)

Reverting
Please make yourself aware of the Three revert rule (3RR). Any violation is likely to result in a 24-hour block. SlimVirgin (talk) June 29, 2005 16:00 (UTC)

He has been warned at least 3 times already. The usefulness of those warnings, I shall let you decide for yourself. -Hmib 30 June 2005 00:37 (UTC)

Japanese Self-Defence forces
Hi, flower. As someone who can (OBVIOUSLY) read Japanese, I was wondering if might like to help me on a project. I see that the Japanese Self-Defence forces have a page on wiki, but only a general one. There are no sub-pages for the JGSDF, JMSDF or JASDF. I could certainly get started, but as I can't read Japanese I wouldn't be able to supply the most up-to-date information. So I was wondering if we could try to work together, or you could ask some other Japanese people you know to help out if they're more interested in the military than you. Otherwise I can do my best by myself and just ask if you could find specific information.

Cheers John Smith's 2 July 2005 16:40 (UTC)

 * Why not??? I'm glad to work with you. Yes, there are three forces, army(JGSDF), navy(JSMDF), and air force(JASDF). The Japanese people are trying to change their name to the Japanese Army, Navy, and Air Force. I'm extremely busy these days, but still I'm interested in. Do you have a specific plan?

 * --Flowerofchivalry 2 July 2005 21:46 (UTC)

 * Erm, I'm not sure :) To be honest what I need is someone who is willing to "find" me information - i.e go onto whatever website and translate the necessary info. So if I get stuck, then perhaps I could drop you a line. Otherwise feel free to either complete what you're working on now - or of course drop in if you have some suggestions. I'll get started on the Navy first.

 * Look, tell you what, perhaps you could do me a small favour. If you go to the Globalsecurity website, could you try to find out the latest information on the "DDH-X" and "DDG-X" projects? Also anything that Globalsecurity hasn't mentioned. That would be the best way to ensure anything I put up there is up-to-date. Cheers John Smith's 3 July 2005 21:09 (UTC)

3RR
Query for you here. SlimVirgin (talk) 07:57, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi FoC, you've been reported for a 3RR violation at Nanjing Safety Zone, and having looked at the evidence, and taking into account the previous warnings, I've blocked you for 24 hours. If you feel this is unfair, please feel free to e-mail me using the link on my user page. SlimVirgin (talk) 08:28, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

I replied the all of your e-mails. Please take a look at.--Flowerofchivalry 06:28, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

from your advocate
FlowerOfChivalry, have you edited Nanjing Safety Zone using anonymous IP addresses?
 * No. I said this more than ten times.

If so was this done to circumvent enforcement of the 3 revert rule? If not, is it actually your belief that another user did this to 'frame' you?

 * I don't know. I don't accuse anyone without evidence like Hmib and Mark did. One thing I can say it those anon IPs and any username are not mine.

If you do believe that, do you have any evidence? Anything else I should know?
 * Mark, Hmib, and (probably Jnc) are pro-Chinese extremists who strongly push their twisted view (without any proofs) and censor any ideas the Chinese don't like. For example, please take a look at Nanjing Safety Zone. Hmib is trying to entrap the scholars he does not favor.

Really, it's inappropriate to revert an article 3 times in 24 hours, if you feel the need to do so, it is probably better to negotiate the article's content on the discussion page.
 * I did. Hmib ignored. I answered every single questions he asked, and he didn't say anything.

If that fails, and you feel the need, you can request comments from other editors, and if you can explain the problem you see with the article to the other editors, then the content can be adjusted to satisfy encyclopedic standards of accuracy. (this is the part I would help with best, I simply can't do much to help you if you try to force your point of view -- and if you can't explain it to me, as patient as I am, it's going to be really hard for you to continue editing articles) I think most editors are committed to accurate articles, accuracy insures neutrality. Anyone who consistently edits inaccuracies into an article can be blocked.
 * That's good news for me and the most people on the earth. Please gather as many as third party people, and ask them to take a look at. I don't care their political standpoint as long as they are fact-driven.

Here's an example: Say there's an article about the Pope, the head of the Catholic church. Assume I am a Catholic and believe that the pope is 100% infallible, that he is always right. Assume someone else has edited the Pope article to include a statement that says something like "because the Pope made the wrong decision, 1,000 people were put to death." I as a Catholic would maybe insist that that isn't true, I know the Pope is always right because he's the Pope.

In this case, I would be wrong to insist on editing out the part that said the Pope was wrong, (if there werew references supporting that he was wrong) however, I might be able to negotiate with the editors for a better wording, that doesn't offend my religious beliefs but it would be even better to put aside my personal belief, and investigate the evidence on all sides, and to add information about the evidence and include references to sources I used to obtain the information. '''Information, including references, is much more convincing than personal opinion, or unsupported facts. Even true facts, without references, are weaker than those supported by evidence.'''
 * I agree with you completely. Hmib and Mark entrap some scholors while they write what they want without evidence.

It also might be worthwhile to examine your own feelings, and to open-mindedly try to see if you are editing from personal belief or from well-researched and substantiated factual data. Sometimes it can be better to just not edit the articles you feel strongly about, but to only add discussion on the article's talk page. That's what the talk page is for, to help to improve the article, not argue with people who have a different opinion, but to cite specific corrections that you feel need to be made to the article, and the reasons why. If you have to revert the same edit or similar edits, more than once, that's a good indication that some activity needs to occur on the talk page, and that's the best place to change a controversial article or one that involves anything you think might be personal opinion, either your opinion or that of another editor.
 * In my opinion, talk pages don't work for those "activists." People like Mandel, who has the similar view to them, can talk and discuss, but Hmib and Mark ignores anything they don't favor, and then start labeling. Don't say that's because Hmib is a small kid, Jnc, who claims himself as elderly, did the same kind of labelings.

Let me know if you'd like me to comment on the 3 revert rule charges or your ban. Pedant 18:52, 2005 July 12 (UTC)

 * Fortunately, I am unblocked, but I should not be blocked from the beginning. Hmib and Mark conspired with each other to evade 3RR. According to the rule, they violated 3RR. I appreciate your comment if you believe it helps resolving the issue.

 * Finally, let me say this; Hmib and Mark are liars. I have been trying to solve the conflict through talkings but it doesn't work. Because, again, they are liars.

--Flowerofchivalry 06:53, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

RE: Original research and interwiki
You're better off consulting WP:NOR than asking me. However I will answer as best as I can.

 * Original research refers to original research by editors of Wikipedia. It does not refer to original research that is published or available elsewhere (although such research may be excluded if editors consider the source to be disreputable or inappropriate).

 * The phrase "original research" in this context refers to untested theories; data, statements, concepts and ideas that have not been published in a reputable publication; or any new interpretation, analysis, or synthesis of published data, statements, concepts or ideas that, in the words of Wikipedia's founder Jimbo Wales, would amount to a "novel narrative or historical interpretation".

For the validity of interwiki versions, no they are not always correct. However there is nothing wrong with translating them to the English version. The accuracy of the translated version is to be discussed in en.wikipedia, with references back to the original verion when appropriate. -Hmib 20:30, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

You wrote you "created the article based on the zh version and my own research" How did you do the research? Please cite everything come from other than zh.wikipedia.org. Besides, I can translate Iris Chang and Nanking Massacre from ja.wikipedia.org. My version is way milder than the Japanese version. I translated many articles from en to ja such as lithium and other chemistry stuffs, but the topics like history is not very appropriate to translate, especially from the country involved. I could agreed the articles I translated, and there are very few disputes over science topics, but there are many over history topics. --Flowerofchivalry 12:30, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

 * From WP:NOR: It does not refer to original research that is published or available elsewhere. Read it. It helps. -Hmib 08:26, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

E-mail
Hi Flower, regarding the e-mail you mentioned, I don't recall receiving anything. Let me know if it's something still current. SlimVirgin (talk) 14:28, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

Shintaro Ishihara
I've traced the origin of one of the disputed sentences myself. It seems the problem stems from multiple users whose first language is not English, who don't understand the need for sources, and who can't edit in accordance with WP:NPOV.

 * At 20:18 July 23 adds: "Ishihara stated he respects the French culture but he just pointed out the problem of French language." POV, poor English, unsourced, and meaningless: what's the problem with the French language that causes problems for mathematicians? (Some of the world's best mathematicians are French.)
 * At 19:45, August 2,, who seems to be French, changes it to: "Ishihara stated he respects the French culture but he just pointed out his ignorance about french mathematicians and his stupidity." POV, poor English, unencyclopedic, insulting, unsourced.
 * At 00:02, August 11, changes it to: "Ishihara then apologized by stating his apreciation for the French culture." Unsourced and contains a spelling mistake (possibly just a typo).
 * At 02:15, August 17, User:Hmib reverts to: "Ishihara stated he respects the French culture but he just pointed out his ignorance about french mathematicians and his stupidity." See above.

Perhaps the dispute between FoC and Hmib could be reduced if you were both to supply sources for every edit that's likely to be challenged. Also, please bear in mind that this is the English Wikipedia, and edits must conform to a minimal standard of English. This is especially true when the edits are contentious and are leading to weeks-long edit wars. I'm leaving this on Hmib's page too. SlimVirgin (talk) 21:51, August 21, 2005 (UTC)

 * Sources must be in English, must be credible, and must be cited properly in the article and linked to after the edit or sentence if offline. If you want me to look at the 3RR violation, you must supply the correct diffs. The ones you supplied don't match the times. See, and please respond there. SlimVirgin (talk) 22:15, August 21, 2005 (UTC)

 * Please supply all the diffs as requested several times, and as the instructions make clear are needed, and reply there please, not on my talk page. SlimVirgin (talk)  22:41, August 21, 2005 (UTC)

 * You've changed the diff back to the current version. You're very close to being blocked for disruption, so I'd quit while I was ahead in your shoes. Either supply a diff showing a version he reverted to before 03:19, 21 August, or withdraw the report. SlimVirgin (talk) 06:12, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

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こんにちわ！
Hi! How do you say "running fridges rule" in Japanese? Runningfridgesrule (talk) 18:33, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

title: User talk:Flowerofchivalry


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Shenstone, Staffordshire

Shenstone is a village and civil parish in The Lichfield District, Staffordshire, England, located between Lichfield and Sutton Coldfield. The parish also contains the village of Stonnall.

Transport
Shenstone is very well served with National Express West Midlands service X3 to Lichfield, Sutton Coldfield, Erdington and Birmingham along the Birmingham road. Chaserider service 36 operates through the village connecting to Walsall, Aldridge and Lichfield.

The railway station in the village is served by the Cross-City Line and offers connections to the West Coast Main Line at Lichfield Trent Valley and the Chase Line at Aston for services to Wolverhampton, Walsall, Cannock, Rugeley and Rugeley Trent Valley for the West Coast Main Line. There are also services to Redditch and Bromsgrove as well as Birmingham New Street. The village also is the only settlement in Lichfield District to have an active railway station after the two stations in Lichfield.

The village is also situated next to the M6 Toll which offers road connections to Stafford, Wolverhampton, South Staffordshire, Brownhills, Cannock, Tamworth and Coleshill. It also offers connections to the M6 Motorway and M42 Motorway. The village is also near Watling Street which connects from Holyhead in Wales to London. The village is also near the main Chester Road between Brownhills and Leamington Spa.

Education
The village is served by Greysbrooke Primary School on Barnes Road. A previous incarnation of the school was located on Birmingham Road, on the land currently occupied by the Greysbrooke cul-de-sac. Shenstone Lodge School lies on the Birmingham Road approximately 1/2 mi south of the village.

Interests

Shenstone was formerly the manufacturing home of the Norton Motorcycle. David Garside, a mechanical engineer who had developed a twin-rotor Wankel motorcycle for BSA, joined NVT to help establish production of the Norton Rotary bikes. The old factory still remains on the outskirts of the village, however has been taken over by Elbit Systems and is the site of regular protests.

The village is served by four public houses: The Fox & Hounds, The Railway, The Plough, and The Bull's Head.

Demography
The village had an estimated population of 2,234. The ethnic make-up of the village was 97% White, 2% Asian, and 1% Other ethnic. The religious makeup of the village was 62.7% Christian, 35.1% No Religion, 1% Muslim, 0.8% Sikh and 0.2% Hindu.

Notable people
Actress Helen Baxendale grew up in the village.

Henry Sanders, curate of Shenstone from 1755 to 1770, was author of The History and Antiquities of Shenstone, described as "a model parish history, containing elaborate accounts of the local manors, hamlets, farms, genealogies, and assessments".

History
Shenstone is mentioned in the Domesday Book and its population described as quite large.

title: Shenstone, Staffordshire


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Talk:New Radicals

Vandalism/Featured Article
Shouldn't this page be locked now that it's featured on the main page? Much vandalism occurring... thegreattim 18:22, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Featured articles of the day are usually only protected against moves. See Main Page featured article protection for reasons why they aren't fully (or semi) protected. --Fritz S. (Talk) 19:22, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

A Walk To Remember?
On the page it says that Mandy Moore and Switchfoot both did a cover of "Someday We'll Know" in "A Walk To Remember". But I own that movie, and as far as I understand it, "Someday We'll Know" was, indeed, part of the movie's soundtrack, but it was the original version. And Mandy Moore and Switchfoot were, indeed, also in the movie's soundtrack, but both were doing versions of Switchfoot's "Only Hope" song. 209.137.226.65 07:56, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You might have this confused with New Radicals' "Mother, We Just Can't Get Enough", which really is the original on the soundtrack. But in addition to the two versions of "Only Hope", Moore and Switchfoot's Jon Foreman also did a cover version of "Someday We'll Know" as a duet. See . --Fritz S. (Talk) 10:13, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Legacy
Shouldn't all of Gregg Alexander's post-New Radical exploits be listed under his own article? This article is already pretty much a Gregg Alexander fanboy lovesong. It doesn't seem like any of the solo stuff he (or Danielle) did is really relevant, except to say that "After the breakup of The New Radicals, Alexander, Danielle, et al. have continued on with solo careers." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kthejoker (talk • contribs).
 * I think the short mentioning that currently is in the article is relevant, as Alexander was mostly hired due to the New Radicals' success. His song "A Love Like That" is relevant because it includes lyrics that originally appeared in the booklet of Maybe You've Been Brainwashed Too. Also, please note that prose is usually prefered over lists in Wikipedia, so don't listify information that already is in prose. --Fritz S. (Talk) 11:18, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

How on earth is this a featured article?
This article is no where near up to the quality of what one would expect from a featured article. Seems more like one of somebody's favorite bands getting a plug.

This type of behavior is what makes Wikipedia seem like a unreputable reference. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.5.192.73 (talk) 02:48, 30 January 2007 (UTC).

 * "seem like an unreputable reference"? Wiki is a joke, grossly inaccurate, poorly written, amateurish - just try pointing out errors or incorporating non-trivial information and see what kind of response you get from the "experts" lurking around it. Reliable information? You'd be better off using on some kid's 8th grade term paper as a reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.66.153 (talk) 02:40, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

 * I agree entirely.. I read Wikipedia on a daily basis whilst at work, and until now I have never once been motivated to comment on a featured article..  I can't find a single fathomable reason as to how or why this article passed certification to become Featured..  The previous contributor, above, who described this as a pointless "Gregg Alexander fanboy lovesong" was right on the money..

 * "Relevancy and importance in the grand scheme of things" is not a Featured Article criteria. Which is probably for the best since determining a subject's "relevancy and importance in the grand scheme of things" would be hopelessly subjective. See Featured article criteria.--RevWaldo 15:00, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

 * the part on "widely considered a one-hit wonder" in the third paragraph... i thought such phrasing is frowned upon in WP. Chensiyuan 17:12, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Is not that bad for being a featured article, but your criteria is really confusing. I've came across FA on the Spanish Wikipedia which doesn't even have one reference. But you'll say that's another project and blah blah.--Fluence (talk) 19:38, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Discography
I think it is not necessary to list all unofficial bootlegs and live recordings in the discography, and neither should cover version of their songs by other artists be listed, as these clearly are not part of the New Radicals' discography. So, unless there are any objections, I'll remove those parts. --Fritz S. 10:32, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)

With any other artist I would agree with you, however given the limited material we're working with, I think it's appropriate. YGWYG at Leno isn't that unofficial either, I mean it was an appearance on a popular talkshow. M.C. Brown Shoes 12:05, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Yet, I think we should try to have some constancy in Wiki, therefor leave it out. Plus, if one includes these, we'd also have to include all other live performances there are mp3s of, like the Much Music performance, etc. And the covers also would be a very long list, especially if we include covers on concerts. --Fritz S.

 * Much Music performance? There's an MP3 of that? Do you mean the Gregg Alexander interview? And what other covers have there been? M.C. Brown Shoes 13:03, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * No, I don't mean the interview. They also did one song. And there are so much crappy covers of "You Get What You Give" I lost track... Most of them should be mentioned in the forum on newradicals.net. Still I think none of this really belongs on a Wiki article. --Fritz S.

 * Yeah, but they're all amateur covers by dodgy bands like "Full Flavor", I hardly think they'd rate a mention. The Covers section would only be for established artists. Incidentally could you send me that mp3? :p M.C. Brown Shoes 13:10, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Even if one excludes unsigned bands there are still some of them and in my opinion covers fit the songs' articles better (if at all) than the band's discography. Imagine The Beatles' discography listing all covers... As for the House of Blues and Tonight Show appearance, both are already mentioned in the history section and I think that should be enough. --Fritz S.

 * But then, we are hardly dealing with a broad discography spanning decades, dozens of albums and countless bootlegs, as with say Prince. When there's only three covers by established artists and only *one* complete live recording available, I think information about them is appropriate for Wiki visitors seeking information about the New Radicals. M.C. Brown Shoes 07:17, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * It's not like the information isn't there. As I said, it already is in the history section. And to keep it in style with the rest of Wikipedia, I'd omit bootlegs and covers by others from the discography, even if these are small section for the Redicals. And there were more than 3 covers by established artists. Ronan Keating for example also did one. --Fritz S. 10:29, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

 * Ai'ight, I see where you're coming from. M.C. Brown Shoes 13:36, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Hey also, just out of interest, what other covers are there of YGWYG? I'd be interested to hear them. M.C. Brown Shoes 07:20, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Don't have a list at hands, but - as I said - most of them should be mentioned in the fan forum. --Fritz S.

Members' see also
I moved the see also link in the members section back to the bottom, as I think it doesn't make as much sense to readers before they read the members section and know that there weren't any real members. I know that WP:MOS suggests it should go to the top of the section (although I find that a little inconsequent, as the See also section always goes on the bottom of the article, why shouldn't a single See also line not go to the bottom of the section?), but I think in this case we should ignore the rules and put it at the bottom of the section, to make it a better read. --Fritz S. (Talk) 11:26, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

"Mother" single and remix
The "small" online stores selling these probably only sell test pressings. If this had been properly released it'd surely be listed at www.amazon.de and there'd be way more used copies floating around.

In accordance with Wikipedia's guidelines, I also removed the lengthy paragraph about the remix, as it lacks reliable sources and (if genuine) should not be covered in this extent in the main article, but rather in the article about "Mother". -- Fritz S. (Talk) 19:05, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

LMC
I decided to add the LMC single to the discography: it counts as New Radicals cause they're named on the front cover as an artist, similar to Enya being charted for I Don't Wanna Know by Mario Winans, and it's currently charting so it's relevant. What do you think? M.C. Brown Shoes 15:10, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, I've taken it out for now cause it occured to me that we'd have to put "Don't Let Go" in as well. But then that might be considered more of an NR release anyway as it had Gregg's actual vocals in it. Again, what do you think? M.C. Brown Shoes 15:11, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd leave it out. The single I found does not list them on the cover and from what I've heard it's actually a cover version ("Don't Let Go" was a remix, but that was never really released - apparently due to leagal reasons, because they weren't allowed to use the original vocal track; Seems like that's why they released it with Rachel McFarlane). --Fritz S. (Talk) 15:22, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Album certifications
Unless I'm mistaken, platinum and gold certifications are for numbers of albums shipped (and not sold, as it currently says in the article). I didn't want to change it without discussing first though, because this article appears to be well-referenced. Extraordinary Machine 21:37, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure about this, but in the main article (Music recording sales certification) it also says "sold", not "shipped"... --Fritz S. (Talk) 09:41, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I guess they mean sold to distributors. The Wikipedia article says the same thing. Gdo01 04:31, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Featured Articles
all feautured articles should be locked, they're ussually vandalized every time. Just lock it for the day they are feautered. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.104.39.227 (talk • contribs).
 * I agree, this page has been vandalised 10 or more times in the past 15 minutes....

Link9er 14:35, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

 * This is typically answered with Main Page featured article protection. That is... unlikely to happen.Circeus 18:17, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

 * I've been watching this, mainly for personal edification as I'm working on an article of similar scope. So I did the article diff for the entirety of January 30, and it looks like all it gained was... a flagicon in the infobox (which we're actually starting to turn against, I think), a trivia item about Ice-T, a date fragment linked, and, somehow, both overzealous typo correction and a couple of new typos.
 * I'm for front page featured articles being unprotected, but I was a bit disappointed that so little was changed during this article's moment in the sun. –Unint 05:08, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I noticed that. Space Shuttle Challenger Disaster did slightly better, but not by much, I'll admit. They are actually seriously considering making semi-protection of the featured article the norm. Circeus 14:06, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

If it is already a near-perfect article, why should we allow unregistered users editing it? Most of them are vandals. See it this way: disbanded group; no new albums on sight. Then, what can be added? If it was an active band, it shall remain unlocked. But what's the point then?--Fluence (talk) 19:40, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It's unprotected because we assume good faith (even from unregistered users) and because semi-protection "should not be used as a pre-emptive measure against vandalism that has not yet occurred". If you look at the article's history, there have only been around 5 edits per month this year. Even if all of that were vandalism (which it isn't) that would be hardly enough to justify protection. In fact, there hasn't really been any vandalism to this article since March, and even that was minor. --Fritz S. (Talk) 08:05, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Gregg Alexander, the writer and the producer
I am not sure, but there are so many songs that he has helped write and or produce. For example, many are listed on this website: http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/TechnicolorLover/

Another one is "Ain't It Better Like This" sung by Mónica Naranjo on her CD "Chicas Malas" from 2001. The song is written and produced by Gregg Alexander. Maybe is it possible to have a seperate section called something like: Gregg Alexander: song writer and producer. What do you all think? 05 Feb 2007, callarse1 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.148.164.7 (talk) 10:42, 5 February 2007 (UTC).

 * I think a section like that would be misplaced in this article (where the focus should be on the New Radicals). However, there already is such a list in the Gregg Alexander article. --Fritz S. (Talk) 11:27, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't know much but I know I love this album! Pure genious... So sad no more came out of this group!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.227.116.52 (talk) 23:20, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

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