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Cold-Blood comment
Thanks for the kind words and helpful proofreading. I'm fairly new to wikipedia (especially when it comes to adding info), so I'm still getting used to the structuring (need to remember and add summaries more often). I'll look into adding entries for brady & tachymetabolism soon. Jura 02:58, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the message
I finally got my logging in issues resolved. However, I appreciate the help.

I began using the Mac in 1985, the MacPlus, with no hdd and the 9in, B&W screen. Had to load the OS from a floppy and then MacPaint or MacWrite as needed. I wanted one then but with the PC already dominating business, my mother refused to buy a computer totally incompatible with the ones she used at work. The business ineptitude of Jobs and Scully is to be deeply regretted. Imo, a truly viable competitor to Windows would certainly have made both OSes better to the great benefit of consumers.

I still retain a fondess for the Mac, though, imo, it really no longer has any serious advantage over XP (e.g. it's only marginally more secure); esp. since both are essentially UNIX now.

I deplore the absurdly high prices for Macs. Hopefully the move to Intel chips with make Mac prices more reasonable. As it is, one can get far more bang for the buck with a PC. The PPC chip is not only too expensive, but far too robust & powerful for desktops. It has abilities neither the MacOS nor XP can take advantage of; it is used in Real Time Computing extensively--e.g. in the Tomahawk Cruise Missile, training simulators for the F-15, 16, 18 and the HUD display for the latter. But make no mistake, if I could afford it, I'd have a Mac along with my three PCs.

 * Thanks for the comments. Though I must admit I'm not sure what "I'm a mac man so I can't really help you..."  The log in problems were really operator error.  I failed to note the correct password in the file in which I keep website passwords.  Hence the trouble.  Once I got the right one, no problem.  Hey, I went to public school.  I'm lucky I can read.  :o)

 * I've used Macs, off and on, since 1985, the box with the nine-inch screen and no hard drive. Loaded the OS first, then MacWrite/MacPaint to do the high school newspaper.

 * In re: mini Mac. Didn't you end up spending about twice the mini-mac's price buying all the stuff you need for a functional PC (in the sense of personal computer)?  While the price is low, Apple, imo, implemented in typical Apple fashion (e.g. the iMac which started out a reasonable PC alternative, is now far pricier than its PC equivalents).  What's really the point of computer that comes with nothing but the cpu, mobo, memory, small hdd, a couple of USB ports and no expansion bays?  I could be wrong on the last point, but I think that was mentioned in a couple of reviews I read.

 * I've always felt that Apple's any ability (if not willful refusal) to understand the personal computer business as a business deprived Microsoft of a real competitor. Failure to license the OS was probably the dumbest thing ever done in the history of computing.  Gates, for all his detractors, understood the fundamental nature of the pc business--that it would be software driven.  Had Jobs and company not been aiming for a complete monopoly (i.e. OS, hardware, applications) we'd probably have a "bi-polar" computer world.  And that could only have been a good thing for all.  With the adoption of Intel chips, I hope Mac prices will come down from the stratosphere.  At the moment, you get far more computer bang for your buck going PC.  While it's obviously a matter of opinion, the Mac really has no fundamental advantage over the Windows anymore (e.g. ease of use, stability, et cetera)--especially since they are both Windows.  And it's now come down the pipe that the Mac OS has been ported to Intel chips for the last five years.  Couple that with the purchase of Pixar from George Lucas and the iPod and Jobs seems to have a learning curve after all.

 * Liked the comment about engineers. When selling carpet, one of the worst customers I ever had was a mechanical engineer from the local Catperpillar plant.  He was too smart to realize how dumb he was and proceeded to lecture me on floorcovering.  Stifling giggles took all the composure I had.  Hope to hear more from you.  If you'd like to correspond, drop me a line at painman356@gmail.com Don't know about Down Under, the but deserts of Nevada are a barren place for intellectual conversation. PainMan 01:20, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

on feedback
the opening prargraph of feedback can be read as referring to musical creative use of feedback which is, I think, analogous. I do not doubt that it's dictinct. does that mean it should not be mentioned? many who go to feedback may be looking for the... I have an idea. 68.84.208.199 13:39, 10 September 2005 (UTC) oops. resignature: Ished-out amounts of Vonn-ness 13:40, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

 * lemme know if my last version works for you. thankz, Ished-out amounts of Vonn-ness 14:20, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Famine and distribution
Hi, just noting the changes in the famine article about the possible ineffectuality of agricultural technology against particular types of famine. I had originally removed the distribution part, as I thought that arguably all (or at least most) famines fall under this umbrella. If a greater yield can be acheived from the available land in troubled areas, then surely this would most likely help in avoiding the problem of poor distribution? Also, I admit that specific outcomes from most wars may make agricultural technological advances not effective, but do you think that "deliberate political intervention" is a little vague? Thanks... -postglock 13:28, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

 * It may be vague, but it is very relevant. And you are correct that "all (or at least most) famines fall under this umbrella". Often, though, "deliberate political intervention" is the primary cause of the famine. To pick an example that is not recent enough to push too many immediate political buttons, consider the famine in Ukraine under Stalin (the Holodomor): Ukraine had a major agricultural surplus; the famine was caused by the deliberate confiscation of that surplus and more. And this was not wartime.

 * Feel free to try other wordings; I'm not wedded to the wording, I'm just trying to make the point that no amount of improved yield can do anything about something like this. ~- Jmabel | Talk 03:21, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Sure, I think we are both coming from similar viewpoints with this. I suppose I meant "vague" in that different specific scenarios result in differing effectiveness for technological advances. Anyway, I had a shot at it again, see what you think? I'm not 100% happy with the wording, but I think it's closer... -postglock 08:28, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Geber and Copernicus
If you you like to read the two talk pages, you would take a step back and wait for the dispute to settle a bit. But you are right christian chemist Liebig sounds strange and gives a wrong impression, or even better the christian biologist Charles Darvin. So lets make him an Iran born Arab or an Persian, but with both suggestions you set fire to something nobody wants. My suggestion would be make him be born in one city and a link to the city and everybody who likes the nationality of the guy can figure out that at this time persia and the arabs changed teretory often and had several wares and Iran and Irak where not nations like we know it in our time, but edit wars never follow common sence, but POV pushing attackes and 3RR and all the other time consuming stuff.--Stone 09:21, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Yeah, I see that the edit war has blown up a bit... I don't really care either way, but I don't think there should just be his religion. I don't really mind if there is anything there or not, but if there is, then his nationality should prioritise. -postglock 11:49, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

famine
Hey,

essentially it is a matter of time -I'm gradually working my way around to it! Thanks for the reminder though. It's my understanding the weather message was highlighted to make the famine look like a supply side disaster- i.e. they didn't have enough grain to meet hungry mouth's demand. The reality seems somewhat different; in fact, demand side problems were the cause. Weather might have played a part in the later years, but is far from the cause (or trigger).

Regards- Tom --Mr magoo 17:43, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Sadcore edits
Sadcore is either a:) a very wide definition and not very useful (i.e. better classified as alt.country etc) or b:) an evolving and very specific new subgenre.

If we take it to be a very specific subgenre then there are actually very few really solid examples of sadcore artists. I take exception with at least half of the "sadcore" artists listed on the page but you can't remove them without them coming back so you have to bow to consensus.

Catpower and, perhaps more justifiably, Shannon Wright, embody all of the elements discussed (dissonance, lyrical traits, tempo, artistic inheritance etc). Sadcore is the best label for both of them (something we cannot say about other examples given). Furthermore, they are both developing the sound and contibuting directly to the potential of the subgenre (for example Wright's work with Albini and the use of samples) without crossing over or diluting the sound.

Quality is obviously subjective. Whether an artist is prolific hardly seems relevant, although I have chosen artists who are at least active and have recent releases. Sales is quantifiable and could be used to describe a leading exponent, however, we would have to be certain of a comparitive analysis of artists who are properly sadcore and not just indie/alternative. I think Catpower (popular artist) and Wright (less well known) are a good example because there is a a balance between sales and critical opinion.

So I dispute the NPOV charge and would rather someone came up with a good justification for a replacement of artists than just deleting the line as I think the article needs to be specific rather than just ending with a vaugely catch-all list of downbeat alternative artists.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Silverwood (talk • contribs).

Sadcore/slowcore
Hi Postglock,

It would be useful to get some other input on this point so it's not just the two of us but anyway I think a key point here is whether sadcore and slowcore are synonymous. Although very similar labels, I always thought they had developed the capacity to describe distinct styles. If it was up to me I would separate the two so we could talk about Low as slowcore and other artists as sadcore. I don't think either of these labels describes the totality of any of the artists considered but they are terms with currency and I thought we should get the best definition possible.

I agree with your point about female singer-songwriters: this is not what I meant but I can see how you would take that from the way I worded it.

I still don't know about the possible POV charge though. When I wrote "leading exponents" I think I wanted to talk about bands who were actually leading the field and "developing the sound" -I know what I mean by this phrase but I can explain it in more detail if you think it is too vague. It's not really a value judgement as the demonstrable use of new technology (samples, loops etc), stylistic influences (world, postrock) and experimentation whilst still remaining within the generic limits is a bit more objective and verifiable than that. I really don't see how this is making a judgement about "artistic integrity" as such either, although yes it could imply something by default about bands who are more slavishly confined to the pre-existing sound.

Do you think we could restore balance by removing reference to "female singer-songwriters", perhaps finding a better term than "leading exponents" and then including a line following this about a band such as Low who are a better known (if not necessarily generically progressive) example?

Thanks for the tip about signing BTW, I'll try it out now!

Silverwood-Silverwood 12:28, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Trans/cis density
I removed the line about density differences between trans and cis because it was disputed:

Cis have more dipoles then trans because in trans they are more symetrical and cancle out. In Trans no/less dipoles so there is less intermolecular bonds and the molecules may not be very close to each other, while in Cis, generally they have have more dippoles leading to more intermolecular bonds and they are closer together so a greater density. The extra intermolecular bonds are clear by the phase change temps. I'll remove the line, because it's desputed and not vital. "Trans isomers in general also have higher densities ." "Trans isomers in general also have lower densities ." -- Wolfmankurd 20:07, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Need help trying to put user contributions on watchlist
Hi, I was trying to find a way be notified when known repeated spammers contributed, so that I could check their edits. I know there is some kind of complicated (for me!) workaround with CSS and enhanced recent changes. I asked at the help desk, and was told: "(talk) 11:16, 28 August 2006 (UTC)" which was an adequate (if not ideal) workaround in theory.

I am having a little trouble getting it to work though. I've set up a page at User:Postglock/UserWatchlist, but when I click "Related Changes" from the toolbox, I can only get some edits to appear, although there are edits made after then. I'm not sure if others see the same thing, but (for example) no contributions from the first link Special:Contributions/203.129.192.23 appear on related changes. Thanks in advance. -postglock 07:18, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I would suggest taking this question to Village pump (technical) where someone will be able to answer your question in a much better fashion than any of us helpme helpers. Ryūlóng 07:29, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Ryūlóng. -postglock 07:44, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

My edits at Cult classic
Hi Stevegallery! I was just wondering why you removed the redirect at Cult classic to Cult following, and instead added information from the latter to the former? It appears to me that they are almost identical in scope. If you think there should be a name change for the main article, that is one thing, but I don't think that we should have two almost identical articles... -postglock 01:49, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi - I actually had split the information in Cult classic and Cult following into 2 different articles, but since that time, someone has duplicated the info such that the 2 articles are almost identical. I will try to put Cult following back to the way I had it. I think they are definately 2 seperate articles, since a cult following is a group of people, while a cult classic is the thing itself (film, etc). Steve

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Block appeal

 * Before your request can be considered we need to know your IP address. If you do not wish your IP address to be made public then you can appeal via WP:UTRS. Just Chilling (talk) 01:54, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you it's a VPN, so I have a range of IP addresses. It includes 31.24.225.96 and 2606:2e00:8015::1402, but likely more than that. —Postglock (talk) 02:08, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks I had already read that linked page, but was confused, thinking that my case fell under "an IP address range block", given that my VPN is indeed covered by a range block, at least by Wikimedia globally. I've emailed the mailing list, as you suggest. Cheers. —Postglock (talk) 04:41, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, I'm not meant to join that mailing list, am I, ? The page was not explicit. I presumed not, but my post is "being held" for review because it was a "post by non-member to a members-only list". I was just concerned that I would miss follow-up replies. —Postglock (talk) 04:44, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * No, I don't believe you would join the list. Replies will go to you directly. SQL Query me!  05:03, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks again after I hear back from the list, I'll edit the page to clarify. —Postglock (talk) 05:09, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Seaborgeum listed at Redirects for discussion
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User talk:SFEley

Welcome!

Hello,, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers: I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Where to ask a question, ask me on my talk page, or place  on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome! Kingturtle 06:28, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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 * Hi! I'm totally biased; I love Escape Pod completely, so I'll help you out with the deletion discussion on Pseudopod (podcast) if I can.  The guideline they're using is WP:WEB; it requires "multiple, nontrivial, independent sources."  It's going to be tougher with Pseudopod to establish notability than it was with Escape Pod, just because it's such a new podcast, and so many of the sources talking about it are blogs- blogs aren't worth much as sources at Wikipedia; they really prefer something with fact-checking editors.  I went searching and haven't found the sources that would save the article yet, but I'm sure you are more familiar with who's writing about you than I am.  (PS I did save Escape Pod from deletion today, but that one is easy to prove notability for.)-FisherQueen (Talk) 01:24, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I deleted Pseudopod (podcast) as I didn't see evidence in the discussion of the notability per our guidelines that FisherQueen mentioned above and most of those suggesting this be kept were asserting it met the guideline without demonstrating how it actually did. As I said in my closing notes though, I'm willing to consider sources if you have any that would demonstrate how it meets the guidelines.  If it doesn't currently meet them, but you get enough press in the future and can show how it meets the guidelines at a later date, I can always undelete the article for you to save you the trouble of complete recreation (or I'm willing to bet FisherQueen would do that for you as well).  Regards,--Isotope23 17:54, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Reliable sources
Hello, whether or not you are Eley, we need a reliable source to verify statements. Your edits to Invisible Pink Unicorn have been reverted. -- The Red Pen of Doom  03:33, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The guidelines for verifiability do say that self-published or questionable sources can be used as sources about themselves. That's exactly what I was doing.  --But regardless.  You want a hard citation for my quote, no problem.  It's in two published books, including one that's been used in Methodist Sunday school classes.  I'll cite them. --SFEley (talk) 04:05, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

User page
I just clicked on your signature and was a bit surprised to be redirected to an article. Would you consider changing the redirect and making it a link to the article instead. There is an essay about that at Cross-namespace redirects and redirects that go in the other direction are usually removed as per Wikipedia:Redirects#When should we delete a redirect? delete#5. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 04:35, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Raffles Institution String Ensemble

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was - deleted - SimonP 19:55, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

Raffles Institution String Ensemble
Non-notable high school musical ensemble. Gets 7 Google hits. RickK 06:31, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Raffles. --nixie 07:25, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete non notable. JamesBurns 10:52, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd 11:50, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable, it won a number of national-level awards, took part in many national music events and even an international concert tour. The article has sufficient amount of content not to be merged. And ... it was created less than 1 day ago! It was tagged vfd mere 12 minutes after its creation which is pretty unfair. Since then, the content has expanded considerably. Please give it more time, folks. Google-hit stats is not a good measure in this case, please read the article. -- Vsion 04:26, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 12 minutes or 12 months, it still doesn't make it notable. Seven Google hits.  RickK 20:34, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. What do you mean, "non-notable"? Its certainly not just vanity, especially if you consider its participation in the SYF. -- Natalinasmpf 04:56, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Seven Google hits makes something non-notable. RickK 20:34, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)
 * The article has established notability. I hope you are not claiming Omniscience of Google. Please use more creative argument next time. -- Vsion 22:02, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete: I'm sure it's a good ensemble, but that doesn't mean that it's an encyclopedic topic. Awards are nice, but a string of awards given to a person means one thing, and that same string to a group means something altogether less (because over time good years and bad will eventually mean a pile of awards).  "National" awards are similarly not really that substantial by themselves, as the categories can be narrow.  Again, no disparagement of the institution, but it is not now an entity that is of sufficient mystery as to require a discussion in an encyclopedia. Geogre 00:06, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Few organizations of this type are encyclopedically notable.  Quale 06:29, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge into CCA section of Raffles Institution (or create one if they don't have it). Not notable enough. What Geogre said. -Hmib 16:31, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Seems insignificant, maybe merge it into the main raffles article. Frankchn 02:03, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages.  Please do not edit this page .


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Sand shark

Sand sharks, also known as sand tiger sharks, gray nurse sharks or ragged tooth sharks, are mackerel sharks of the family Odontaspididae. They are found worldwide in temperate and tropical waters. The three species are in two genera.

Description
The body tends to be brown with dark markings in the upper half. These markings disappear as they mature. Their needle-like teeth are highly adapted for impaling fish, their main prey. Their teeth are long, narrow, and very sharp with smooth edges, with one and on occasion two smaller cusplets on either side. Sand sharks have a large second dorsal fin. The sand shark can grow up to 3.2 m long, and most adults can weigh around 200 kg. The average lifespan of both sexes is only about 7 years, though they may live longer in captivity.

Location and origins
The name sand shark comes from their tendency to migrate toward shoreline habitats, and they are often seen swimming around the ocean floor in the surf zone; at times, they come very close to shore. They are often found in warm or temperate waters throughout the world's oceans, except the eastern Pacific. They also frequent the Mediterranean and Adriatic Seas at depths from 20 to 200 m and sometimes more.

Behavior
The sand shark has a unique hunting strategy. It is able to gulp air from above the surface and collect the air in its stomach. This enables it to become buoyant and approach its prey virtually motionless. During the day, the sand shark stays mostly inactive, but at night, it becomes active and resumes hunting activities. Its staple is small fish, but it eats crustaceans and squid, as well. It occasionally hunts in shivers (groups), and has even been known to attack full fishing nets.

Reproduction
Sand sharks only develop two embryos, one in each uterus. The largest and strongest embryos consume their siblings in the womb (intrauterine cannibalism) before each surviving pup is born. It has one of the lowest reproduction rates of all sharks and is susceptible to even minimal population pressure, so it is listed as vulnerable and is protected in much of its range.

Attacks on people
Sand sharks are not known to attack humans. If a person were to provoke a sand shark, it may retaliate defensively. Sand sharks are generally not aggressive, but harass divers who are spearfishing. In North America, wreck divers regularly visit the World War II shipwrecks to dive with the  sharks that make the wrecks their home.

Conservation
A recent report from the PEW Charitable Trusts suggests a new management approach used for large mammals that have suffered population declines could hold promise for sharks. Because of the life-history characteristics of sharks, conventional fisheries management approaches, such as reaching maximum sustainable yield, may not be sufficient to rebuild depleted shark populations. Some of the more stringent approaches used to reverse declines in large mammals may be appropriate for sharks, including prohibitions on the retention of the most vulnerable species and regulation of international trade.

Species
The family contains three extant species, in two genera, as well as many extinct species in several genera. Recent mitochondrial DNA analysis of extant members has found the two extant members do not actually form a monophyletic clade. This family is therefore polyphyletic and in need of revision.
 * Genus Carcharias Rafinesque, 1810
 * Carcharias taurus Rafinesque, 1810 (sand tiger shark)
 * Genus Odontaspis Agassiz 1838
 * Odontaspis ferox A. Risso, 1810 (smalltooth sand tiger)
 * Odontaspis noronhai Maul, 1955 (bigeye sand tiger)
 * Subfamily Odontaspinae † Herman, 1975
 * Genus Striatolamia † Glikman, 1964
 * Genus Carcharoides † Ameghino, 1901
 * Genus Parodontaspis † White, 1931
 * Genus Priodontaspis † Ameghino, 1901
 * Genus Pseudoisurus † Glikman, 1957
 * Genus Synodontaspis † White, 1931
 * Subfamily Johnlonginae † Shimada, 2015
 * Genus Johnlongia †
 * Genus Pseudomegachasma † ( Shimada, 2015)

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User:Evvie

Typically I like to contribute to Wikipedia by wikifying and correcting spelling/grammatical errors for pages that have already been created. Other times I may add a few interesting bits of information that I see are missing.

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Bardwell Park railway station

Bardwell Park railway station is located on the East Hills line, serving the Sydney suburb of Bardwell Park. It is served by Sydney Trains T8 Airport & South line services.

History
Bardwell Park station opened on 21 September 1931 when the East Hills line opened from Tempe to East Hills. In 2000, as part of the quadruplication of the line between Wolli Creek and Kingsgrove, through lines were added on either side of the existing pair.

On 22 April 2015, the station suffered significant flooding due to inclement weather, with the flood water nearly reaching the height of the platform. A time lapse video of CCTV from the station was released publicly showing the rising flood water.

Transport links
Transit Systems operates two bus routes via Bardwell Park station, under contract to Transport for NSW:
 * 473: Campsie to Rockdale station via Clemton Park, Earlwood, Turrella and Arncliffe
 * 491: Five Dock to Hurstville via Ashfield, Canterbury and Earlwood

U-Go Mobility operates one bus route via Bardwell Park station, under contract to Transport for NSW:
 * 446: Roselands Shopping Centre to Kogarah via Earlwood and Bexley North

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Didier Courrèges

Didier Courrèges (born 15 June 1960 in Évreux, Eure) is a high-level horse rider. He is professor of equitation at the National School of Equitation in Saumur, France, and a member of its equestrian display team, the Cadre Noir.

He is a non-commissioned officer in the French Army and holds the rank of major. He was a member of the French team that won a gold medal in team eventing in the 2004 Summer Olympics.

Honours

 * Knight of the Legion of Honour

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Gynocriticism

Gynocriticism or gynocritics is the term coined in the seventies by Elaine Showalter to describe a new literary project intended to construct "a female framework for the analysis of women's literature".

By expanding the historical study of women writers as a distinct literary tradition, gynocritics sought to develop new models based on the study of female experience to replace male models of literary creation, and so "map the territory" left unexplored in earlier literary criticisms.

History
While previous figures like Virginia Woolf and Simone de Beauvoir had already begun to review and evaluate the female image in literature, and second-wave feminism had explored phallocentrism and sexism through a female reading of male authors, gynocriticism was designed as a "second phase" in feminist criticism – turning to a focus on, and interrogation of female authorship, images, the feminine experience and ideology, and the history and development of the female literary tradition.

Development as a literary critique
Gynocriticism also examines the female struggle for identity and the social construct of gender. According to Elaine Showalter, gynocritics is the study of not only the female as a gender status but also the 'internalized consciousness' of the female. The uncovering of the female subculture and exposition of a female model is the intention of gynocriticism, comprising recognition of a distinct female canon where a female identity is sought free from the masculine definitions and oppositions.

Gynocriticism accordingly challenged a Freudian psychoanalytic perspective whereby the female inherently suffers envy of men and feelings of inadequacy and injustice, combined with feelings of intellectual inferiority. Arguing that male 'phallic prejudice' itself creates a female consciousness that demands a critique, and that prejudice against the female incites a specific noesis that gets attributed to the female, Gynocriticism stressed that this prejudice has concealed the female literary tradition to the point of imitating the masculine.

Achievements and limitations
Gynocriticism helped reclaim from obscurity a vast body of early female writings, often published in Virago, as well as producing such feminist classics as The Madwoman in the Attic. However its very successes left it open to new challenges from within feminism. Poststructuralists complained that it fetishized the role of the author, at the expense of the reader and the text, and that its grand narrative, setting up a female canon in opposition to the male, was essentialist, and omitted differences and divisions among women, leaving out lesbians and women of color, for example.

Race, class, social interest, political inclination, religion and sexuality all arguably come into play in the construction of identity. Separating out such properties would create a one-dimensional view of the female, yet if gender and identity are merely constructs then it becomes difficult to assign any inherent qualities of nature or language to found a critique.

Despite such limitations, gynocriticism offers a valuable interrogation of 'female' literature, through the study of sameness and difference in gender. While the term is rarely used in third-wave feminism, the practices and canon establishment of gynocriticism continues to underpin feminist literary criticism.

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Talk:Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad

Requested move (2012)

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 15:59, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Chicago SouthShore and South Bend Railroad → Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad – The unspaced version is not supported by the cited sources and external links, which include the space in South Shore. Dicklyon (talk) 06:35, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Support--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:51, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Support. I've never seen the camel-case version and can find no sources to support it. Deor (talk) 21:18, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

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CamelCase
Per the above, I don't disagree with the move but there are various filings with the Surface Transportation Board that use the camel case form. If it's just a styling then that's no big deal; if the corporate form actually changed with the Anacostia purchase then that might be something. Mackensen (talk) 03:43, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Merger proposal
Formal request has been received to merge: The Chicago Lake Shore and South Bend Railway into Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad; dated: November 2022. Proposer's Rationale: Chicago, Lake Shore and South Bend Railway" is just the pre-1924 corporate identity of the "Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad" since 1925. There was a bankruptcy in-between. Thus this should all just be covered in the corporate history of the Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad article. Discuss here. -- 65.92.246.191 (talk) 23:33, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Support I support my own proposal, I am the nominator -- 65.92.246.191 (talk) 23:33, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Support I don't know how these two articles have existed in parallel for so long. - UtherSRG (talk) 00:20, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Obvious case. There's unfortunately a number of similar forks on Wikipedia that need to be merged likewise. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 02:59, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Support either the merge or a move to Chicago, Lake Shore and South Bend Railway. Either way, the article "the" has got to go. Lost on Belmont 3200N1000W  (talk) 16:28, 9 December 2022 (UTC)


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Talk:South Shore Line

Map
A map is now available at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:SouthShore.png, feel free to use it --JVittes 06:56, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Great, I put it in there, feel free to adjust it. Craig R. Nielsen 07:16, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

This is not an interurban
Referring to South Shore service as interurban streetcar service is simply incorrect. The route may be the legacy route of the old interurban, but solely heavy-rail commuter trains are operate along it. Today, this is a commuter rail service with a few streetside stops in Michigan City. Calling it an interurban gives the impression that light-rail stock is used on this line and that is far from the case. A distinction should be made between the description of the route as a legacy interurban route and a description of the trains actually operated along it. This is not a streetcar, plain and simple.

 * The South Shore began as an interurban in the interurban era. It was not run as a "streetcar" line even back in the day. They have used heavy rail vehicles since at least the 1920's. It was called an interurban with self propelled heavy rail vehicles then. The description continues to be valid.  71.115.87.182 (talk) 04:55, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Infoboxes needed
Who wants to install infoboxes for all the station articles? DanTD 21:43, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Street running in South Bend past 1970
I remember trackage in the middle of Bendix Drive south of Lincolnway West (old US-20) in the early 1980s. I can't seem to find when it was relocated to the east side. This page mentions 1975, but I remember it later (I was 4 in 1975). Whether it was used at the time, I don't know, but it definitely shifted from the east side of Bendix to the middle. There is a remnant of the street running visible on Google Maps' satellite - a disconnected stretch is visible cutting between Bendix and Westmoor Street immediately northwest of their intersection and immediately southeast of the current track (41.68487,-86.29356 ; if you use Acme Mapper, you can switch over to "Topo" and see the setup exactly as I remember it at Bendix/LWW). Mapsax (talk) 00:19, 6 March 2008 (UTC) Added View using Live Search Maps "Bird's Eye" view Mapsax (talk) 21:17, 19 March 2008 (UTC) Also added Last but not least, Google Maps Street View Mapsax (talk) 22:08, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

why the odd bend in South Bend
look at the map. instead of the track going straight to the airport, the track curves around and then comes into the airport from the east. Also, I have heard old timers say that the south shore used to go all the way to Notre Dame. Anyone have more info on either of these topics? If so, please post. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.95.242 (talk) 12:26, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * This set of pages mentions Notre Dame. Mapsax (talk) 19:45, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

 * The South Shore itself did not run to Notre Dame. The passengers brought into town transferred to streetcar lines that served the campus. The streetcars are now long gone (replaced by bus service). A local coach service is now used to transfer passengers from the train to the stadium for "Notre Dame" trains. (A separate company has proposed using an abandoned rail line for Notre Dame service but the current owner of the abandonment has refused to sell the line.) Also, the line to the airport does wrap around and approach from the east. This was to use an old freight line that served a few industries south of the airport off of Bendix and was intended to serve the industrial park north of the airport. NICTD and the airport intend to move the station to the west side and provide a more direct link, saving several minutes off of the trip. 71.115.87.182 (talk) 04:53, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

rollingstock?
rolling stock? Patcat88 (talk) 11:40, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Added ... at least for the passenger carrying equipment. NICTD also owns one GP38? diesel engine and a lot of rail maintenance equipment which isn't documented well enough to reference. Hopefully that also satisfies the expansion request. 71.115.84.208 (talk) 17:49, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

South Shore Line vs NICTD
Should Northern Indiana Commuter Transportation District really direct to this page? I don't believe it should be since this page is about the South Shore Line itself, not the current operator. It seems to me as if NICTD should have its own page specifically discussing it, in the same way that Chicago 'L' and Chicago Transit Authority are separate. NICTD is only the current owner and is seems as though this page should be focused on the history and current operation of the line rather than the funding mechanism and the agency that runs it.

Anyone agree? Lost on belmont (talk) 02:02, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

 * The question is, does NICTD have any real purpose or notability other than its funding and operation of the South Shore Line? Or, to put it another way, does NICTD do anything other that run the South Shore? As far as I can tell, the answer is no. And since the South Shore is the extent of NICTD's operations, having them be covered in the same article makes sense to me. oknazevad (talk) 18:09, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Disambiguator neccessary?
I'm wondering, do we really need the (NICTD) disambiguator at the end of the title of this article? Looking at the disambiguation page currently at South Shore Line, there's only four uses, one of which is a fairly obscure use for the Braintree branch of the Red Line (MBTA), and one is the freight operator for the same trackage, which is already linked here and has a totally different title, and one is here. Seems to me, based on WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, that the non-disambiguated title (South Shore Line) should point here, while the disambiguation page is moved to South Shore Line (disambiguation), with a hatnote reading something like ''This article is about the Indiana commuter rail line. For othr uses see South Shore Line (disambiguation).''

Thoughts?oknazevad (talk) 18:09, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

 * It isn't a disambiguator for NICTD. It is for NICD which is a redirect to this page. NICD can also stand for National Institute of Communicable Diseases. Lost on Belmont (talk) 20:09, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That is totally not what I was referring to. At all. I was talking about the (NICTD) in the title, not the hatnote.  oknazevad (talk) 00:32, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I just found another South Shore Railway in Quebec, that's somehow connected to the Central Vermont Railway and Grand Trunk Railway. It's not a South Shore Line but it's too close for comfort for me. DanTD (talk) 01:42, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
 * That's so obscure that it has absolutely no bearing on this being the clear primary topic associated with the term "South Shore Line". It's easily covered by a link to the disambiguation page. Plus it's title isn't the exact same, so no parenthetical would be needed. (The are meant only to be used when the titles are otherwise the exact same, not just "close".)oknazevad (talk) 03:07, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree completely and think we need to re-open the move request. With respect to DanTD, when 99% of people are looking for the South Shore Line, this is the article they want to find. We shouldn't be disambiguating based on a hypothetical article that isn't even written and doesn't even have the same name. The article on the Red Line doesn't even use the term "South Shore" until way into the History section, and then without substantiation. This isn't even close. Mackensen (talk) 23:42, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

New infobox?
I'm wondering if Infobox rail line would be better than the one currently in use. It has the option to contain the map (as opposed to the second box we have to have now&emdash;which looks rather crude) and has many useful parameters. Didn't want to do a sudden switch lest someone freak out and revert, so I'm offering it up here. Thoughts? Lost on Belmont (talk) 14:54, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks like an improvement to me. I saw go for it. oknazevad (talk) 15:04, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I like it too. I'm with Oknazevad on this one. DanTD (talk) 18:52, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Done. Lost on Belmont (talk) 19:21, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Requested move (2010)

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The result of the move request was: No consensus, pages not moved  Ron h jones (Talk) 22:17, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

South Shore Line (NICTD) → South Shore Line South Shore Line → South Shore Line (disambiguation) - This seems like a clear case of WP:PRIMARY. Currently the disambiguation page, which is at the undisambiguated title, lists three items. The first is the commuter rail operation, which has the abbreviation of the government agency that owns the physical line, whose full name is already a redirect to the article onthe commuter line. This commuter line is by far the most common use of the term "South Shore Line". The second is the freight rail operator that uses the same tracks as part if a contract arrangement. They do not own the main line, and they are already linked from the commuter line article. The third is an obscure reference to the MBTA's Red Line, referring to the branch far more commonly called the "Braintree Branch" after it's terminal. It seems to me that the commuter rail line is clearly the primary use of the term, and needs no disambiguation for the article tItle. oknazevad (talk) 15:40, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. Makes sense to me. Mackensen (talk) 10:16, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. The first two usages are clearly closely related and best dealt with by text interlinking (or maybe even merging) rather than disambiguating them as if they were unrelated uses of the same name. The third usage doesn't even rate a mention in the target articles lead, so is clearly very much a secondary name. -- chris_j_wood (talk) 10:08, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose, on the first move. While Oknazevad and Chris J. Wood seem to have valid arguments, eliminating the NICTD abbreviation will take away the distinction of the line. Aside from railfans and Chicago area residents, not too many people are going to know which "South Shore Line" the article refers to if it's renamed. I've even heard people incorrectly refer to the LIRR's Babylon-Montauk Branch as the "South Shore Line." DanTD (talk) 13:34, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * We don't need to account for errors with disambiguators. If someone is using an incorrect name for a line, as you say some do for the Montauk Line, then at most it warrants a mention at a disambiguation page. We don't alter the correct name of a page to make up for others' errors. More importantly, we don't introduce distinction where one is unneccessary. Parenthetical diambiguators are only used when two or more pages have the exact same title otherwise. Truth is, that's why WP:PRIMARYTOPIC exists. Not so much that every search doesn't lead to a disambig page (which is sometimes the right solution), but so that every title doesn't have a parenthetical disambiguator. Disambiguators are an inherrently clunky compromise to the issue of commonly used or identicle names. We should work to get rid of them as often as possible, not keep them around. When no other article on the disambiguation page even has a title in the form "South Shore Line (something)", we can safely get rid of the disambiguator. Any chance that the article on the Indiana-Chicago commuter line is not what a reader using the search box is looking for is covered by linking to the disambig page by a hatnote. They don't need to know ahead of time which usage of the term is covered in the article; they can that learn from reading the introduction.oknazevad (talk) 20:38, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * this specific name would still exist, it would just redirect, so there should be no loss of definition. billinghurst  sDrewth  05:17, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support  Clear case of primary topic.  Skinsmoke (talk) 03:27, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose Because I pretty much agree with DanTD's reasoning --Strannik (talk) 16:17, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment  I accept the point made by DanTD that not too many people are going to know which "South Shore Line" the article refers to if it's renamed, but would equally argue that, outside the immediate residents and a few rail buffs, not too many people are going to know what NICTD, LIRR or MBTA mean either.  If we are not accepting that the Indiana version is the prime topic, it might be better to rename this page South Shore Line, Indiana and have redirects for South Shore Line, Massachusetts to Red Line (MBTA); for South Shore Line, Staten Island to Staten Island Railway; and for South Shore Line, Long Island to Long Island Rail Road.  Alternatively, we could move this article to South Shore Line, as it's the only one formally with that name, and link to the others with hatnotes.  Skinsmoke (talk) 09:36, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It may be the dominant meaning to readers in the Illinois area of the USA, but across the world are many railways that run along south shores. Leave the plain name as the disambig page. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 09:25, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * But how many of them are called "South Shore Line" as a formal name, not just as a generic descriptor? If they aren't, then there is no actual naming conflict to consider. (The line's primarily in Indiana, btw.)oknazevad (talk) 19:26, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
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ridership
It appears that in 2009–2010 the ridership on the South Shore Line was approximately 300,000 passengers/month  or 3.6 million passengers per year.
 * 67.86.74.107 (talk) 03:19, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

One web source has "3.9 million passengers (down 7.1%). (NICTD)" for 2009. The source is noted as NICTD. 71.115.6.75 (talk) 07:30, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Metra South Shore Line?
I'm thinking on placing Metra into the "System" section in the infobox. Are Metra and the SSL in the same system? Cause there is a Metra template in the article. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOPFan300 22:00, 22 October 2011 (UTC)   — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fairlyoddparents1234 (talk • contribs)
 * No, the South Shore Line is not owned by Metra, so the inclusion would be incorrect (and has been reverted). The South Shore does use the Millennium Station terminal, which is part of Metra's Electric District, but it's via a trackage rights agreement, not because it's the same system.
 * Also, as an FYI, new comments/questions go on the bottom of the page. And it looks like your signature got a bit messed up. oknazevad (talk) 16:11, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Requested move (2012)

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The result of the move request was: Not moved Mike Cline (talk) 10:26, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

South Shore Line (NICTD) → South Shore Line – This is a repeat of the move request from 2010. That request was closed as no consensus on the weight of DanTD's objection that this move would rob the South Shore Line of its distinctiveness, and that the Red Line in Boston is also called the South Shore Line. I believe that this was a misreading of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, which provides a two-prong test for a primary topic: This article clearly satisfies these criteria. Furthermore, of all the articles listed at the disambiguation page, it is the only topic which is known primarily by this name. While the Chicago SouthShore and South Bend Railroad is also colloquially known as the South Shore Line, it is located at is proper name. Similarly, while there is anecdotal evidence that the MBTA Red Line is referred to as the South Shore Line, no one has proved this to be common usage, and it certainly isn't more common than Red Line. There are no doubt many other railroad routes throughout the world referred to as the "South Shore Line," as Anthony Appleyard noted in the last debate. If so, we don't have articles about them, or we do but in no case is this usage so prevalent that someone saw fit to add it to disambiguation page. Even if they had, none of these other railroads/routes/services have this exact name. This is the only topic on Wikipedia with the proper name South Shore Line. It is by far the most common usage of the term. Our article name should reflect that. Mackensen (talk) 23:54, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
 * A topic is primary for a term, with respect to usage, if it is highly likely—much more likely than any other topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term.
 * A topic is primary for a term, with respect to long-term significance, if it has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term.
 * Oppose The freight line and the passenger line are both intended by references to the South Shore Line, official names notwithstanding. They run on the same tracks. --Bejnar (talk) 02:32, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose -- clear ambiguity should be dealt with via a disambiguation page. Dicklyon (talk) 02:51, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose unless there are counts for usage to support the proposal. Being known primarily by this name is not a criterion for being the primary topic for this title. One determines which title the article should have, the other determines which article the title should lead to. -- JHunterJ (talk) 18:16, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support. The freight operator can easily be dealt with with a disambiguation hatnote, and is quite secondary to the passenger operation on these same tracks, while the use of "South Shore Line" for the MBTA Red Line is so obscure that it doesn't even warrant a mention in the lead of that article. This is clearly the primary usage of "South Shore Line" without any qualifier. Subsequently the article title should contain no qualifier, either. oknazevad (talk) 04:08, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose—per Dicklyon. Tony   (talk)  10:25, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

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Location of Dune Park
Changes were made to the page placing Dune Park in Porter instead of Portage. In the comments for the change it was noted that NICTD refers to the location of Dune Park as Chesterton. This location was dismissed without reference.

NICTD's General Offices are located at the Dune Park station and an address for that station are provided on the NICTD website. That address can be verified via the US Post Office website as: N IN COMMUTER TRANSP 33 E US HIGHWAY 12 CHESTERTON IN 46304-3521

I believe the references provided here should clear up the issue. Dune Park is located in Chesterton. 50.102.174.30 (talk) 00:51, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Requested move (2013)

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The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 23:33, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

– This is a repeat of the move request from 2010 and 2012. The 2010 was closed as no consensus on the weight of DanTD's objection that this move would rob the South Shore Line of its distinctiveness, and that the Red Line in Boston is also called the South Shore Line. The 2012 request was closed as no consensus on the basis that there could be confusion between this service and the Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad and that the primacy of the commuter service was uncertain. I believe that these objections can now be met. First, WP:PRIMARYTOPIC provides a two-prong test for a primary topic:
 * South Shore Line (NICTD) → South Shore Line
 * South Shore Line → South Shore Line (disambiguation)
 * A topic is primary for a term, with respect to usage, if it is highly likely—much more likely than any other topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term.
 * A topic is primary for a term, with respect to long-term significance, if it has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term.

This article clearly satisfies these criteria. Furthermore, of all the articles listed at the disambiguation page, it is the only topic which is known primarily by this name. While the Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad is also colloquially known as the South Shore Line, it is located at is proper name. Similarly, while there is anecdotal evidence that the MBTA Red Line is referred to as the South Shore Line, no one has proved this to be common usage, and it certainly isn't more common than Red Line. There are no doubt many other railroad routes throughout the world referred to as the "South Shore Line," as Anthony Appleyard noted in the 2010 debate. If so, we don't have articles about them, or we do but in no case is this usage so prevalent that someone saw fit to add it to disambiguation page. Even if they had, none of these other railroads/routes/services have this exact name. This is the only topic on Wikipedia with the proper name South Shore Line. It is by far the most common usage of the term.

Second, in August 2013 this article was viewed 3,476 times. By comparison, Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad was viewed 595 times. The disambiguation page, South Shore Line, was viewed a paltry 139 times. If you search for "South Shore Line" in Google, the top ten hits are all for commuter service.

When our readers think South Shore Line, they overwhelming think of, and are directed to, this article. Our article title should reflect that. Mackensen (talk) 01:02, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Support as I always have. It's the clear primary topic, based on page views, and the current title is an unnecessary disambgutor. oknazevad (talk) 02:26, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

 * Support Definitely the primary topic among the three links.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:31, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

 * Support per nom & comments above. Primary topic. Deor (talk) 17:13, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
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S-rail for "old" South Shore
Can someone create an s-rail set for an "old" version of the South Shore? Earlier today I added this article on the downtown South Bend station and proceeded to create an s-rail services box for both this station and for 53rd Street which both saw the loss of South Shore service before NICTD and, by extension, the airport terminal and the name "Millennium Station." I got as far as adding "South Shore Line|CSS&SB" to Template:S-rail/lines before realizing I didn't know what the next steps were. Nothing would need to be different for this set than the standard "NICTD" set except for pointing to the downtown South Bend terminal and using the name "Randolph Street." Aside from these two stations, this would come in handy for a number of other potential pre-1970 stations. Lost on Belmont 3200N1000W (talk) 19:15, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Lydick
There was never a passenger station here, but there was an electrical substation. KirksKeyKard (talk) 16:15, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure where your comment comes from, but there was a station at Lydick. The platform was at Quince Road. The station opened prior to 1909 and closed between 1960 and the 1980s (prior to NICTD). Lost on Belmont 3200N1000W (talk) 01:28, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I stand corrected. Please can you provide a source for this information.  This station (now abandoned) can then be added to the list, and the edit reverted by Mackensen can stand. Thank you. - KirksKeyKard (talk) 10:40, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

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South Shore overcrowding in the 90s
In the early 90s when the South Shore was awaiting new cars, bilevels and F40PHs were borrowed from RTA to be landed to the South Shore due to overcrowding. I think this should at least have a little blurb in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nstrainmaster (talk • contribs) 14:35, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

EAST CHICAGO TICKET OFFICE TO CLOSE ON MARCH 3, 2017
There is no longer a ticketing agent at NICTD's East Chicago Station. See article:

http://www.nwitimes.com/business/local/south-shore-s-east-chicago-ticket-office-closing-as-electronic/article_2ca02b6c-7e91-5a7e-b668-eb321ca300df.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.208.29.20 (talk) 20:04, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks; I updated East Chicago station. Mackensen (talk) 02:35, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

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When is an NICTD station an NICTD station?
We have two modules for stations: Module:adjacent stations/NICTD and Module:adjacent stations/Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad. The former is essentially for stations that are/were NICTD stations and the latter for those that weren’t. The question is, when did a station become an NICTD station?

In working to create an article for, I believe I’ve found some situations where this distinction is unclear. NICTD was formed in 1977 to subsidize the CSS&SB passenger service and bought it outright in 1992. However, in 1981, the arrangement between the two changed when NICTD became the purchaser of service from CSS&SB, similar to the arrangement with Metra and BNSF or C&NW/UP. Since the NICTD effectively owned the passenger service at this point, would we consider any stations still open after this point NICTD stations? Lost on Belmont 3200N1000W  (talk) 23:24, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

 * The date we've used up until now is 1990; that is, after the Venago bankruptcy when NICTD takes direct ownership. I think that still makes sense from a historical context; the real shift in ownership/operation is then, not when the subsidy becomes a purchase of service agreement. Are there significant shifts in operations between 1981-1990? Mackensen (talk) 03:26, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

 * I can’t (yet) say how significant the shifts is operation may have been, but according to this article by 1982, NICTD was setting fares and controlling the service levels for the line. Additionally, the construction of Dune Park was based on a study by NICTD and the Northwestern Indiana Regional Planning Commission. NICTD was the one making the decisions on closing and opening stations, not the railroad itself. Lost on Belmont  3200N1000W  (talk) 05:49, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Proposed Merger of The Chicago Lake Shore and South Bend Railway into Chicago, South Shore and South Bend Railroad
Since this is a related article, I thought I'd post this here for more eyes. There's a merge proposal at Talk:Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad over merging The Chicago Lake Shore and South Bend Railway into Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad. Lost on Belmont 3200N1000W  (talk) 17:00, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

New image for infobox
Since the beginning of the double-track project (which has now concluded), the SSL no longer runs in the street. It is historically important, so perhaps it should be moved further down the article, but I think something more reflective of the current SSL service should be in the main infobox. Perhaps a photo of a train sitting in the terminal at Millennium Station? 38.124.64.203 (talk) 02:57, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

 * I think that a new pic is a good idea. I'd rather a pic somewhere along the line's unique trackage than Millennium Station, if only to show the line's unique identity. oknazevad (talk) 19:03, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree with oknazevad. Ideally a daylight shot--somewhere in the Indiana dunes perhaps? Mackensen (talk) 20:10, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Portage/Ogden Dunes question
Can someone better describe the 1998-1999 double-tracking near the Portage/Ogden Dunes station as described in this railfan.net page?
 * "The station at Ogden Dunes has grown from being a simple flag stop to being a major station on the South Shore line. The line past Ogden Dunes was double tracked during a construction project in 1998-1999. A new low boarding platform was constructed along the north side of the former single track and a second track was added to the south of the former single track."

Which was the original single-track? Was it Track 1 (south) or Track 2 (north)? And when they say "the line past Ogden Dunes" do they mean east or west of the station? I've been looking for maps or diagrams of the original track set-up at the station prior to the 1998-1999 project, but can't find anything helpful. Criticalthinker (talk) 22:40, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

 * After studying this a bit more, the northern track east and west of the station (current Track 2) is the "new" trackage, and the southern track (current Track 1) is the original single-track section that continued all the way through. AT the station, they wanted to shift the parking (in a larger lot) to the north side of the station, so the old single-track at either end of the station was severed at both ends and connected to the new northern track, so that this track is now part of the current Track 2. A new track was built to the south of the old single-track at the station, and this became a new section of the current Track 1, and connected at each end to the old Track 1 east and west of the station.
 * I'm sure there is a better way to describe this. And quite frankly, a color-coded map would be very helpful on both this article and the Portage/Ogden Dunes station article, to more clearly show this. Criticalthinker (talk) 06:13, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

title: Talk:South Shore Line