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Talk:Trekkie

AS connection?
"it is widely believed that Trekkies experience a high incidence of Asperger's Syndrome."

 * I'd love to see this documented - or even a citation for this! It seems like utter nonsense, as Asperger's Syndrome is widely unknown. John Elder 05:45, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree. The claim is very dubious. I'm taking it out until there is a source.--198.93.113.49 17:07, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Okay, it's still there, and I'm not seeing a source. unsigned

 * Its called a forum troll. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.94.128.10 (talk) 14:15, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Asperger speculation citation provided. Davidkevin 22:54, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

 * The source provided doesn't provide any sort of statistical data to show why Trekkies would be more prone to Asperger's, or even that they are more prone to Asperger's in the first place. It mentions Star Trek once in a side bar and states clearly that Attwood's comment was "speculation" and was "half in jest."  Does this "controversy" really belong in the article?  It seems to be making too much of a fuss out of an insignificant comment that can only be verified by a newspaper from a small tourist town in Maine... I personally feel the entire topic should be removed unless some scientific reasoning and evidence can be procured... RufusX 04:42, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm not a Trekkie, but I don't see why that belongs. People seem to think that any subject which touches another should be mentioned in both articles. That's not necessarily so. Let's imagine a minor band, "Band X". They have just about enough notability to warrant a Wikipedia article. Band X record a cover version of the Beatles song Yesterday. Band X's article will now reference The Beatles, of course it will. But do we need to mention Band X in the Beatles article? A lot of editors - especially those with POV issues or who are on the fandom trail - will mistakenly think yes, whereas of course the answer should be an obvious "no".

 * Coming back to this case, Trekkies may be relevant to Attwood's argument, but I don't think Attwood is hugely relevant to Star Trek. It's probably a little more so than my cover version example, however, which is why I would look at putting the bare minimum in - perhaps a See Also link, or one sentence only. We have wiki links; we don't need to duplicate content across articles. If the reader is interested in Attwood's ideas they can click on the link. --kingboyk 10:06, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

List of Celebrity Trekkies
How long should the list be? Here's a link upon my Trekkie message board pertaining thereto...
 * StarTrekFans.net's List of Known or Suspected Trekkies/Trekkers

 * Here's Takara's latest...

* Colin Powell * Dahlai Lama * Tom Hanks * Dr. Mae Jamieson * Neil Armstrong * Jean Simmons (actress) * Paul Sorvino * Mira Sorvino * Berkeley Breathed (cartoonist - Opus, Bloom County) * Bill Amend (cartoonist - Fox Trot) * Seth McFarlane (creator of Family Guy) * Bill Gates * Al Gore * Eddie Murphy * Jason Alexander * Dr. Stephen Hawking * Scott Adams (cartoonist - Dilbert) * Isaac Asimov * Laurell K. Hamilton * Douglas Adams * Carol Moseley Braun * Christan Slater * Whoopi Goldberg * Most, if not all, of NASA * Most, if not all, of Microsoft * George Noory * Art Bell * Marc Scott Zicree * Ben Browder * Rockne S. O'Bannon * Charles M. Schulz * King Abdullah of Jordan * Vin Diesel * John Glenn * Mel Gibson * Sally Ride * Mick Fleetwood * James Worthy * Bebe Neuworth * Kelsey Grammer * Tom Morello * Martin Luther King Jr. * Arthur C. Clarke * Rod Serling * Trey Parker * Matt Stone * Howard Stern * Will Smith * Iggy Pop * Ben Stiller * Conan O'Brien * Kirstie Alley * Tom Bergeron * Beastie Boys * Kevin Newman * Richard Dean Anderson * Drew Carey * Eric McCormack * Weird Al Yankovic * Joss Whedon * Mel Brooks * Robert Atkins * Kathy Lee Gifford * Paul "Big Show" Wight * George Lucas * Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson * Tim Allen * Neal McDonough * Barry Manilow * Robin Williams * Paul McGillion * Jim Meddick (cartoonist - Monty) * Dave Foley * David Hewlett * Number of people at Pixar Animation * late Douglas Adams * Alan Keyes (Repulican Senate candidate, Illinois) * Dennis Haysbert * Brad Paisley * Jim Davidson * Jonathan Ross * The Wiggles * Someone working on the kids' series Big Comfy Couch * Jane Wiedlin (formerly of the GoGo's)   * David Reddick (cartoonist) * Kevin Sorbo * Tony Danza * Bryan Singer * David X. Cohen * Alec Newman * Someone in charge at Beavis and Butthead * Jon Stewart * Rick Rashid * Steven Harper DrWho42 04:26, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Mmm, sorry that I didn't know about this article before posting the above. DrWho42 04:41, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

TREKFAN
I don't want to be known as a Trekkie OR a Trekker!! I don't care where Lt. Barclay was born or Spock's last name. I just enjoy the great stories in the shows. They are fine drama that happen to take place in the 'sci-fi' future. So---I want to anounce here and now that I AM A TREKFAN!! T`sitra Yel Darb 19:46, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Spock is his last name.. =P Although his first name is nearly unpronounceable to humans, but I get your drift.DrWho42 00:11, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Here's the way I've always described it...I'm not a Trekkie....I'm a Trekker -- meaning I actually have a life outside of ST. (Of course, the fact that I met my wife of, so far, 15 years through a Rrek writing club weakens the argument, but you get the idea! You could tell how our real-world relationship was going by reading how our characters interacted!)

Nobody cares. The discussion board is to discuss the article, not your insecurities about what other people think of you and not your life story. Go find a fan site for that.129.139.1.69 (talk) 17:23, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Deleted list of well-known Trekkies
This already has its own article and therefore does not belong here, except in a 'see also' section. Furthermore, as illustrated above on this talk page, there is no good way to determine how long it should be or who should or should not be included in this list. Therefore I have removed the list. As of 2/20/06, it read like this:

==Well-known Trekkies==

Well-known trekkies include: *Bjo Trimble, who helped spearhead the letter writing campaign that convinced NBC to continue Star Trek for a third season *Gabriel Köerner, who was also a profilee on Trekkies; he went on to guest star on The Drew Carey Show and as the "Star Trek Geek" on the game show Beat the Geeks *Bob Rajic, who had cosmetic surgery to look like William Shatner and was the subject of the film Auto Destruct: One Man's Obsession with William Shatner

Celebrity Star Trek fans include: *Isaac Asimov *Tom Bergeron, host of Hollywood Squares and America's Funniest Home Videos, guest star on Enterprise *Phillip J. Fry, fictitious character on Futurama *Bill Gates, who dressed up as Spock one Halloween *Whoopi Goldberg, who played the role of Guinan in Star Trek: The Next Generation *Al Gore, former Vice President of the United States *Kelsey Grammer, who guest starred in the Next Generation epidode "Cause and Effect" and performed an uncredited voiceover in Star Trek: First Contact *Tom Hanks, who was considered for the role of Zefram Cochrane in Star Trek: First Contact, but had to turn it down due to a conflict *Stephen Hawking, who played himself on the Next Generation episode "Descent" *Dennis Haysbert, actor on 24 *Seth MacFarlane, creator of and voices on Family Guy, and two-time guest star on Enterprise *Eddie Murphy, who nearly starred in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home *Richard Rashid *Ben Stiller, actor, writer, and comedian *Bryan Singer, director of The Usual Suspects, the first two X-Men films and Superman Returns. Singer actually had a brief cameo as a bridge officer in Star Trek: Nemesis.

Instead, let's add a "See also" section and put the reference there. Makaristos 01:24, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

-- It appears even the separate article has been deleted. What gives? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.36.177.44 (talk • contribs) 04:27, 20 October 2006
 * I reinstated a section, with a quote about one such fan (with reference). I leave it to others to cite sources for others who might merit a mention.  72.244.206.119 13:09, 17 January 2007 (UTC).

citations needed, citation style off
okay, tons of stuff in here was obviously made working from a book or article, but that article doesn't have it's place in the references section. Needs to be fixed. Lotusduck 22:39, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

among other ridiculous assertions
More as a comment in the approach to Trek documentation [and undoubtedly most fictional works documented on Wikipedia], these kinds of statements not only fall under "OR," but it does the term "research" a bad turn:

"They probably own, or perhaps have helped create, the blueprints for various Federation starships, have explanations for all apparent contradictions, such as why in Next Generation episode 5.24, "The Next Phase," in which some characters were incorporeal beings, they could still breathe and were affected by artificial gravity and floors."

And the idea of "notable star trek fans" in an article that mentions at length the pejorative aspect of the phrase seems little more than an attempt at glorification, seeing as I'm sure there are "notable" fans for a lot of the fictional works here on wikipedia and yet those lists do not exist; not to say that the absence in itself does all the telling, but I imagine there'd be quite some resistance if one were to, say, add a list of "notable shakespeare fans," or, perhaps more relevant to "pop" culture, "notable star wars fans," or batman, or [insert whatever the hell].russ. 12:14, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Trekkie vs. Trekker
I have moved this material here: For adherents to Star Trek canon, the case that "Trekkie" is the correct term was settled once and for all by Roger Nygard, the director of the 1997 documentary film Trekkies. In a post on the official website for the documentary, Nygard cited Gene Roddenberry's former assistant and Star Trek researcher as the source for the following:

 * Gene (Roddenberry) didn't recognize the term "Trekker" however. Somebody once corrected him when he used "Trekkie" on stage. He responded, "Excuse me, did you say 'TrekkER?' The word is 'TrekkIE.' I should know, I created them."

...until such time as a second, separate source can be found for this statement. There have been assertions that this person cited by Mr. Nygard frequently put his own words into Gene Roddenberry's mouth, as it were, especially during Mr. Roddenberry's last years of declining health and memory, using Roddenberry's name to foster his own agenda with regard to Star Trek.

-- Davidkevin 20:02, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

There appears to be vandalism on the page - the exchange between Gene Roddenberry saying "trekkie" and a fan correcting him to "trekker" has been reversed. 19:08, 7 February 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:600:A17F:B4B5:215E:B777:1AFC:7B2 (talk)
 * PARAGRAPH SEPARATOR -- IGNORE EXCEPT FOR THAT PURPOSE. -- Davidkevin 20:59, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Trekphiler added this:
 * ""Trekker" is usually used as a term for the dedicated Star Trek fan with considerable knowledge of the show. The obsessive fan (so considered even amongst Trekkers) with encyclopedic knowledge of show lore, who can identify episodes by the color of the sky, is known as a "Trekist"."

based on the book by the two women who organized the first Trek con. Unfortunately, I haven't got it in front of me, so I can't cite it. Can somebody credit it? Trekphiler 09:33, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Well that's just scary :) Avt tor 09:36, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

 * I've been an active Star Trek fan for 35 years, and not once have I ever heard or seen anyone use the term "Trekist" until reading Trekphiler's paragraph.  -- Davidkevin 20:59, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

AMParker: I am working on a linguistics project currently and found this article that may be relevent to the wiki article: Star "Trek Lives: Trekker Slang" by Patricia Byrd. American Speech, Vol. 53, No. 1 (Spring, 1978), pp. 52-58. You can find it in JSTOR but I'll post the link to the article that I have: http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0003-1283(197821)53%3A1%3C52%3ASTLTS%3E2.0.CO%3B2-A This talks about trekkie vs. trekker, and may be helpful in this discussion concerning the verifiability problems for the wiki trekkie article.

I've known many fans in over 35 years of convention work and dated a big-time fan in the late '70s (she had put out several fanzines and had put on the first Trek-related convention in her native state). She defined the terms roughly as (I"m paraphrazing, but this is the basic concept):

 * A 'Trekker' goes to the conventions, dresses up in costumes, etc., but has a normal life outsside of cons;
 * A 'Trekkie' lives, breathes, and dreams Star Trek in their normal life;
 * and a 'Trekkist' goes to a con, won't dress up (maybe Spock ears), but sits in the Hospitality Suite and discusses why Spock smiled in 'The Cage', or the ramifications of warp-drive technology on 23rd century economics.

The often-cited example of a trekkie is the fellow who legally changed his name to 'James T. Kirk'. (This was in the '70s, and I never heard if he actually used 'Tiberius'). I did know a lady who quit her (well-paying) job because she could not get the vacation time she wanted, so she could go to New York for the premiere of Invasion of the Body Snatchers with Leonard Nimoy. CFLeon 09:05, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Someone who goes on a Hike is a "Hiker" and not a "Hikie" are they not? So it could be said that someone who goes on a trek would be a "trekker" and not a "trekkie" Never the less, it could also be argued that since the fans aren't actually the ones on the "trek" that they could not accurately be called "trekkers" since they are not in fact trekking. The actual treking is done by the fictional individuals on the fictional starship. Therefore, despite my own preference for the word "Trekker", it probably isn't grammatically correct. "Trekkie" would probably be more accurate although another alternative, Trek Fan, might be more pleasing to those of us who despise the media hyped "Trekkie". Dmoorefield68 (talk) 03:34, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Good point that one who goes on a Trek is a trekker. Which brings me to why I am here. Trekker redirects to this page. Trekker being a legitimate word meaning - One who treks; thus, a hiker, led me to the assumption that the wikilink trekker would link to the page trek. I caught it in time before blindly placing the link in a new article I had created, but I was wondering if the destination Trekkie was the best redirect. I have heard of this use of the term, but not aware of how common it was. Racerx11 (talk) 03:15, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Copy-vio
Some major parts of this article seem to be lifted from Particularly the parts on Origins. If someone has the time to weed through the article... RichMac (Talk) 06:47, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * My bad, the entire blog entry was lifted from here without giving any credit. RichMac (Talk) 08:00, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Timothy McVeigh
Seems to be ref'd as a big fan. Should he be added to list? - SimonLyall (talk) 10:06, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely NOT. There is nothing in Star Trek to justify being a mass murderer and hater of his own democratic government. McVeigh was a terrorist! Star Trek was anti-terrorist in nature. I'm removing the McVeigh reference.Dale Husband 04:17, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I've added him back. His Star Trek fandom is better documented than many on this list (who seem to often be one-off remarks) and shouldn't be removed just because he is a negative figure. Star Trek delt with terrorism as a matter of course, eg episodes like Chosen Realm. - SimonLyall (talk) 09:45, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

If it is documented, then were is the link? Show us a link that provides proof that it is true. Otherwise, what's to keep anyone from claiming that anyone is a Star Trek fan? "Son of Sam, Star Trek fan. The Unibomber, Star Trek fan.  Osama bin Laden, Star Trek fan.  Where's the proof?  Well, it's been documented." See how easy that is?
 * Read his bio, will this link do ? - SimonLyall (talk) 11:25, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

I believe it is deplorable and reprehensible to include Timothy McVeigh. This is a popular culture entry and there is absolutely no need to include him or to remember him in any other way--unless you knew him personally--than for his murderous and terrorist actions. This is an affront to the people he killed, their families, and to any civil human being.107.221.229.121 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:15, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Parodies
Family Guy season seven: Peter takes the family to a Star Trek convention, Stewie kidnaps the cast of TNG using his Transporter made from bluprints aquired at the convention etc. All voiced by the main cast of TNG: Stewart, Frakes, Spiner, Burton, Dorn, Sirtis, McFaden, Weaton, and even Denise Crosby. The fact that the cast were in the FG ep is surley grounds for adding it? Poll? ZellDenver (talk) 11:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Trekkies In The News (clarified info)
In the Sci-Fi Channel's information program of "SCI-FI BUZZ", host Mike Jerrick interviewed Babara Adams by phone. He asked:

Mike Jerrick: "You weren't kicked off the Whitewater Trial for just wearing your Star Trek uniform?"

B. Adams: "No I was not kicked off for wearing my Star Trek uniform...A TV news reporter from another network kept asking me about my uniform and nothing else about the trial....Although, there was not a violation and any trial disclosure. The trial judge said he was supported of me. Still the rules said no jury member could talk to the media about anything." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spaceman42 (talk • contribs) 20:41, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

 * New stuff goes at the bottom. Ian.thomson (talk) 21:35, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Child porn?
First one user, then several anon IP addresses keep editing in a section on "child porn links to Star Trek fans". The "citations" are bogus at best. Opening discussion after removing the section. If anyone feels strongly about vetting the sources and keeping the material in we would need a neutrality tag on this one.

Liblarva (talk)

 * Sorry, just because you don't like something in Wikipedia doesn't mean you can arbitrarily delete it, if the text in question is cited and relevant. And, in this case, it is; the citations are from 1) The Los Angeles Times, 2) Macleans, and 3) a blog run by an academic associated with Yale Law School who did his own followup research. The text does not claim that all Trekkies are into child porn, but the Toronto Police sex crimes unit was pretty unambiguous in its determination that an unusually high number of its child porn suspects are Trekkies. Also, you're misreading the edit history; the only IP editors involved with the section (and one unregistered user) have all been vandals who've removed it without discussion or an edit summary. Ylee (talk) 07:57, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

 * So you discuss it without edit warring. The material should stay out until it's discussed, not slapped back in because you think it should be. It has nothing to do with disagreement, if those are the findings then it should be presented as such, that one PD in Toronto has this "finding". Liblarva (talk)

 * Actually take the time to read the articles cited. It's selective quoting at it's worst presented in the wiki. Some relevant but left out lines from the Maclean's article include:

 * "It's the type of oddball coincidence that's difficult to ignore."

 * ""We've had suspects from age 18 to 82. People who live in housing projects and in Forest Hill mansions," he says. "If there's a common thread, we're missing it.""

 * "When it comes to pedophiles, there's more myth and anecdote than hard facts. And after more than 100 years of study, the task of separating the science from the fiction has only just begun."

 * The cherry picked quote is the worst kind of selective quotation. The research mentioned that Seto and Eke will continue (from 2005), I found their article "Examining the Criminal History and Future Offending of Child Pornography Offenders: An Extended Prospective Follow-up Study" which doesn't mention the "Star Trek" connection.

 * The quote "The fascination with Star Trek—and not a general interest in science fiction or fantasy subjects like Star Wars or Harry Potter[54]—is however, according to the Child Exploitation Section, the only common characteristic it has found among pedophiles, who otherwise come from many professions, incomes, and educational backgrounds. Pedophiles may use Star Trek collections to groom potential targets.[51]" is directly contradicted by the article cited as the source. The "If there's a common thread, we're missing it." line specifically. The wiki citation cites this article as declaring a connection when the article actually says there's none. I'm leaving the discussion up but will remove that section of the wiki unless there's objection from any who've read the articles cited.

 * "Seto hypothesizes that the pedophiles might be using their toys and memorabilia to groom victims" is what the Maclean's article states, while the wiki article presents it as fact: "Pedophiles may use Star Trek collections to groom potential targets.[51]" The research hasn't been conducted, it's a hypothesis of one person presented as fact without accurate writing presenting it as an unfounded opinion without support. Liblarva (talk) 18:59, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

I didn't revert you; another editor did. Regarding previous reverts by me and others, there is no requirement to discuss reverting editors who remove cited sections without even edit summaries; that's the definition of vandalism. You're the first to bring it up in Talk. Regarding the cites: I invite other editors to judge for themselves whether the disputed section accurately represents the cites, and whether Liblarva is, in fact, the one who is engaging in "selective quoting as its worst" above. Ylee (talk) 21:07, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The "oddball coincedence" line in Maclean's is followed by "Even more so when you realize there's virtually nothing else, beyond their shared perversion, that links the new generation of child sex offenders." In other words, Star Trek is the single commonality.
 * The "common thread" line must be read in the context of the article; Detective Lamond is clearly talking about the lack of a commonality other than Trek. He also says "But it's mostly Star Trek".
 * Same with "100 years of study." The takeaway from the sentence, and the article, is that there is still very little known about what is different about child porn freaks. However, fascination with Trek, according to the article and the Los Angeles Times piece, is one thing University of Toronto researchers and Toronto police have identified as a commonality; as the introduction to the Maclean's article says, "A surprising number of child sex abusers appear to be Trekkies. Trying to figure out what that means, however, shows how little we really know about pedophiles". That the second sentence acknowledges an uncertainty does not affect the relative certainty in the first among both law enforcement and academics, for the Toronto area at least.
 * My alumni library privileges don't give me access to the Seto/Eke 2010 paper so I'll have to take your word on it. However, Dr. Seto specifically links to the Maclean's' article as an example of his communications with the press, so must feel comfortable with its representation of his research.
 * Ernest Miller's 28 April 2005 blog post, which is cited in the relevant text, specifically deals with whether we are talking about a fascination with fantasy/sci-fi in general, or Star Trek in particular. His findings from his communication with the Toronto police are broadly consistent with the news articles' (much to his surprise, mind you; he began his research because he was skeptical of the child porn-Trek connection the Los Angeles Times claimed).
 * The Wikipedia text states that Trek-related grooming "may" be the case, and cites the source. In any case, you are incorrect about stating that the hypothesis is only one expert's; you omitted the conclusion of the sentence, "-- a view that Blanchard shares." Blanchard is then quoted further on the topic.

 * Okay, so we're at a bit of an impasse here, you're using the LA Times article so support keeping Maclean's, but the blog posts specifically refute the LA Times piece. Seto's theory is "supported" by one other expert, but there's no science here. There's no follow up article, which reduces this to a throwaway line in Maclean's without support / confirmation. The quoted section from the Maclean's is also specifically refuted in the blog posts cited. So your position is that despite the cited articles having been refuted, they somehow are worthy of inclusion here. That makes no sense.

 * The blog posts specifically refute both the LA Times and Maclean's articles, which is noted in the wiki, granted, but the block quote from Maclean's is also specifically refuted in those same blog posts. Check verifiability, "that directly supports the material". The LA Times and Maclean's articles are explicitly refuted via the blog, yet there's still a block quote included. That these officers claim a connection is supported by Maclean's, and repeated in LA Times, both of which are directly refuted by the blog posts. It's a house of cards one boot strapping the other despite them both being refuted. At the least the section should be edited to reflect this and the block quote removed as it's specifically refuted. Liblarva (talk) 03:05, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

 * The only thing Ernest Miller's Corante blog posts contradict from either article is the Los Angeles Times claim that "all but one" child porn suspect the Toronto police have caught in the past several years was a Trekkie; the police officer the author spoke to said that was an exaggeration, something the disputed section acknowledges. (The Times stood by its claim, though.) However, the broader point--that the Toronto police have noticed a consistent link between child porn suspects and their interest in Star Trek (and not Star Wars, Harry Potter, or other SF/fantasy subjects)--has absolutely not been contradicted. Certainly nothing in the blockquote, which is from the Maclean's, article, was contradicted. Rather, the Toronto police Miller spoke to reiterated this stance, and so did the authors of both the Maclean's and Times articles. Again, I ask other editors to read the cites and judge for themselves whether the disputed text accurately represents them, and whether Liblarva is doing so in this discussion. Ylee (talk) 03:19, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

This seems like a clear case of undue weight being placed on a singular datum from a singular source. I don't see any reason to include this "factoid" in the article until it garners wider support from the media and from the criminal justice community. Powers T 13:36, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

 * But it's not a singular source; as reporters there are two reliable news sources, and a Yale Law-affiliated legal expert who was initially skeptical about the news sources' findings. They spoke to both the Toronto Police's sex crimes unit and experts at the University of Toronto's Centre for Addiction and Mental Health. Maybe the Trekkie-child porn link only exists with Canadian perverts, or Toronto perverts, but RS clearly indicate that Toronto police and psychologists accept the link's existence. Again, please read the cited articles and blog posts if you haven't already. Does the disputed section misrepresent them? Ylee (talk) 19:08, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * By "one source", I mean the Toronto Police. Right now, it's just one organization making this accusation, and given the depth and breadth of the larger topic of "Trekkies", having three paragraphs on the topic is unquestionably undue weight.  The question of whether the section is accurate or not is irrelevant to me.  Powers T 00:33, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * This section clearly does not belong on this article. Anyone arguing for it or adding the information to the page is most likely a troll. LogicalFinance33 (talk) 00:39, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * That's going a bit far, don't you think. I'm sure Ylee is arguing in good faith.  Powers T 01:47, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the support. Regarding the WP:UNDUE argument, I can see a case for shortening the section, perhaps by removing or abridging the blockquote. However, given the repeated attempts at vandalism regarding this section--and Liblarva and LogicalFinance33's blatant WP:IDONTLIKEIT-based claims above--anything else, without clear consensus to do so, would be inappropriate. In an article that attempts to cover all aspects of Star Trek fandom including history, stereotypes, and sociological/religious/anthropological aspects, I don't see how a possible link to abnormal behavior that is backed by reliable sources and credible experts is out of place.Ylee (talk) 06:21, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I disagree; without a clear consensus to include this content, it should be removed. Powers T 11:48, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * That's not how consensus works on Wikipedia. The text is properly sourced and is relevant to the article. Because WP:BLP is not relevant, there is no automatic preemption; the onus is the text's detractors to demonstrate that it is inappropriate in some other way. Let me save you some time:
 * I have already acknowledged that WP:UNDUE may be applicable here in the sense that the section could perhaps be abridged, but given the article's length and breadth of discussion WP:UNDUE simply won't apply to the entire section without a consensus for doing so. (You stated that WP:UNDUE was your only concern, that "The question of whether the section is accurate or not is irrelevant to me". Have you changed your mind?)
 * WP:TRIVIA? Nope. Again, this is a worthwhile (if unpleasant and gross) topic that is relevant to the article. The lengthy list of "celebrity Trekkies" would go first were TRIVIA applied on the article.
 * Bottom line: WP:IDONTLIKEIT exists for a reason. Ylee (talk) 12:16, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * WP:JDLI is an argument to avoid in deletion discussions. That doesn't obviate the need for a consensus for inclusion of bare material such as this.  Powers T 14:09, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * While WP:IDONTLIKEIT is primarily meant for deletion discussions, true--because those diputes are the most severe--its underlying point is one of Wikipedia's fundamentals when dealing with any kind of content. As it states, "while some editors may dislike certain kinds of information, that alone isn't enough by itself for something to be deleted." Consider the converse, WP:ILIKEIT. Is there anything in there that applies to my defense of the section? In particular, does it fail the verifiability test, probably the single most important test for Wikipedia content? No, it does not. Let me repeat: Text that passes certain basic tests like WP:V/WP:RS/WP:UNDUE (again, I am willing to trim the section if necessary), and does not violate WP:BLP (which doesn't apply here), does not need consensus for inclusion (Otherwise every single edit on Wikipedia would require prior consensus first, which of course is nonsensical given that as it stands anyone is allowed to, in most cases, create and edit articles without even registering.)Ylee (talk) 18:24, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Well either way you parse it, you're the only one defending this content, and at least four people have objected to it. I'm going to remove it, and we can continue discussing it here to see if a consensus develops to include it.  Powers T 20:53, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I only count three objectors (the numerous IP editors who vandalized the section don't count), and you are the only one who has bothered to debate in any meaningful way; the others have 1) claimed nothing more than WP:IDONTLIKEIT, or 2) blatantly lied about the contents of the cites in course of arguing WP:IDONTLIKEIT. I reiterate that removing otherwise-compliant text without consensus is improper, but will not revert you for now, and will seek moderation through appropriate channels. Ylee (talk) 21:26, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I know you're really fond of tossing that WP:IDONTLIKEIT thing around, but at some point you should recognize it for the ad hominem that it is. I'm not as versed in wiki politics as you, granted. But that's no reason to get personal. I've stayed out of this as Powers is much better at speaking to you in a way you'll listen to and respond well to. The content doesn't belong in the article, not because I personally object to it, but for all the reasons cited by me and others. Powers and Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs are correct, the content should be pulled. Liblarva (talk) 07:03, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You didn't made a single valid argument; instead, you repeatedly misrepresented cites and failed to back up your claims when challenged. LtPowers has made reasonable arguments, and I've asked for clarification for Fuchs' rather vague statement. Ylee (talk) 07:32, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

I have asked for feedback at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Star Trek. Ylee (talk) 21:47, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * In the absence of the fact that no one is actually trying to prove that "if you are a Star Trek fan, you are a pedophile" or the inverse, I really don't see this section as anything but undue weight and out of place (noting the section it's in, I would also say the "one Star Trek fan on a jury" mention isn't worth including either.) Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 22:42, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't understand your point about "actually trying to prove"; Wikipedia articles aren't supposed to "prove" anything. I agree about the Whitewater juror, but that can be easily turned into a sentence or two elsewhere in the article, perhaps in Anthropology. Maybe the solution for the disputed section is to turn it into a brief mention elsewhere, in this case in Stereotypes (which already discusses Trekkies' other aberrent behavior)? Ylee (talk) 23:08, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I think David Fuch's point about "proof" is that this connection hasn't been the subject of concerted research; rather, this is a correlation discussed by a single crime unit. If this spawned broader research into correlations between folks' sexual and entertainment proclivities and/or this correlation came directly from some meaningful research (and not just a quote from a few cops), then perhaps it would warrant some more attention. As it stands, though, this specific moment (along with, BTW, the Trekkie juror) are snapshots of isolated (in so far as media and research have presented) moments. A big ol' block quote and separate section seem inappropriate for both. Perhaps best merely to say in the lead that, "Star Trek fans include world leaders, jurists, pedophiles, and Wikipedia editors." --EEMIV (talk) 21:26, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Guys, the statement that many pedophiles in Toranto are into Star Trek only applies to pedophiles in Toranto, it doesn't apply to Trekkies at large, which is what this article is about. Many of the Trekkies I know here in South Carolina are conservative Christians.  Is that a fair sample?  No.  Is this a reason to add a section about Trekkies in the Christianity article?  I'm sure I could find reliable sources, but that still wouldn't make it due weight.  One of the sources also says "The higher rate of left-handedness is important because it strongly suggests that pedophilia may have more to do with nature than nurture."  Should I add this to the left-handedness article?  Because that statement was made universally, unlike the Toranto statement.  Ian.thomson (talk) 01:29, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * If Toronto were primarily comprised of child porn sickos/pedophiles, of course this wouldn't be notable. That Torontonians are, presumably, people much like those anywhere else in North America is what arguably makes the finding encyclopedic. And yes, there would be nothing wrong with discussing a possible connection between left-handedness and child porn in other articles, if appropriate; both left-handedness and pedophilia already discuss other correlative factors. Ylee (talk) 15:45, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Unless your study claims that this constitutes a norm beyond Toronto, any claim of notability by your part that this should be like normal society because Toronto should be no different constitutes either synthesis or original research. --OuroborosCobra (talk) 15:58, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I phrased that badly. We don't know whether child porn freaks outside Toronto show the same correlation with Trek as Toronto's do. It's possible the correlation exists in Chicago and New York and LA too, and the cops have noticed it, but it just hasn't shown up in the press yet. It's also possible there's something unique to Toronto's water that causes this correlation there but not elsewhere. Since we don't know either way, we can't talk about other cities. All we can do is to lay out the bare facts regarding what Toronto police and local researchers have found, period. That's what the section currently does. Ylee (talk) 16:49, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree that me using the word troll was going too far and I take that back. However, in regards to claiming WP:IDONTLIKEIT, I am not a trekkie, nor do I know any trekkies. I didn't make my comment because I don't like the section. I just felt that it was unfair to trekkies, and seems like an attempt to create a stereotype that, "if you're a trekkie, you're more likely to be a pedofile", which seems very unfair. LogicalFinance33 (talk) 05:33, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * In other words you didn't bother, despite my repeated appeals, to read the cites to judge their credibility or see how accurately I had used them; instead, you saw the words "Trek" and "child porn" in the same paragraph, thought to yourself "That's obviously wrong!" and thus called me a troll. All the section says is that Toronto police and researchers have found that over a period of several years an unusually high percentage of those the sex crimes unit arrests for child porn are also Trekkies. As mentioned I am willing to compromise regarding the text itself, but I am not willing to agree to a blanket removal without better reasons than what you and others have raised. Ylee (talk) 15:45, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

I for one question its notability to the topic of Trekkies. While unique percentage of Toronto pedophiles may be Trekkies, that's notable to the topic of Toronto sex offenders. Is there an unusual occurrence of pedophiles among Trekkies claimed in this study, or an unusual occurrence of Trekkies among pedophiles? --OuroborosCobra (talk) 15:58, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The latter. If the Toronto police found that an unusual occurrence of general sci-fi/fantasy fandom occurred among child-porn perverts, discussion of this wouldn't belong in this article; it would belong in child pornography and/or pedophilia. (I don't think there is an article that discusses the history, culture, and characteristics of SF/fantasy fandom in general the way Trekkie does for Trek fans.) That it is specifically interst in Star Trek and not Star Wars, Harry Potter, or other topics is what makes it relevant to this article (and, I suppose, to an article on Toronto sex offenders were one to exist). Ylee (talk) 16:58, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

I've finally read the whole discussion and it looks like the local consensus is that the Toronto police unit's observations don't warrant their own section, and really can be sufficiently covered in a sentence or two. Ylee, if you disagree with the consensus or think the groupthink is missing something, your best avenue would probably be to find academic research sources or coverage of this aspect some fans' behavior in other contexts. --EEMIV (talk) 17:53, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I am happy to compromise. I only disliked the blatant knee-jerk WP:IDONTLIKEitis and and misrepresentation of the cites displayed by several opponents of the section, and the accompanying quasi-condoning of the repeated vandalism the text saw before this discussion began. I will work up some way to briefly mention the findings elsewhere in the article. Ylee (talk) 19:35, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's notable enough to merit a mention at all. We are not obligated to include information just because it appeared in a news item somewhere.  Powers T 18:14, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * If the article were much shorter, sure. Not so, given the article's current length and breadth of coverage over Trekkies' behavior and characteristics. Ylee (talk) 18:50, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Article length is not an argument for notability. As it stands, you have stated that this is an unusual occurrence of Trekkies among Toronto pedophiles, which makes it possibly notable to an article about Toronto pedophiles, but not to an article about the worldwide Trekkie phenomena. There is nothing notable here to the larger Trekkie topic. --OuroborosCobra (talk) 21:21, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Article length isn't by itself an argument for notability, but that's irrelevant anyway because WP:NOTABLE determines whether topics have their own articles, not articles' content themselves. Length certainly is, however, a consideration when evaluating WP:UNDUE claims of the type made here. Ylee (talk) 21:29, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * As it stands, you have stated that this is an unusual occurrence of Trekkies among Toronto pedophiles, which makes it possibly notable to an article about Toronto pedophiles, but not to an article about the worldwide Trekkie phenomena. There is nothing of note here to the larger Trekkie topic to justify the weight given to it by putting it in the article. --OuroborosCobra (talk) 21:34, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ylee, you're right that I did jump to the conclusion that a section about pedophiles on the trekkie page didn't belong. It instinctively seemed implausible that out of all trekkies in the world, a significant percentage of them were pedophiles. However, it seems that that instinct was correct, since it isn't out of all the trekkies in the world (which is the scope of the article); it is a percentage of trekkies in a specific location, Toronto. Which is why I have to agree with OuroborosCobra that it could be "possibly notable to an article about Toronto pedophiles". LogicalFinance33 (talk) 21:46, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I've taken the liberty of renaming this section to no longer question whether the addition is vandalism. That may have gotten the debate off on the wrong foot to begin with and those raising concern with Ylee's additions should have assumed good faith first and tried to discuss the content in question rather than simply calling it vandalism. That is especially true considering that it is reliably sourced. That said, in the language of WP:UNDUE:
 * "An article should not give undue weight to any aspects of the subject but should strive to treat each aspect with a weight appropriate to its significance to the subject. For example, discussion of isolated events, criticisms, or news reports about a subject may be verifiable and neutral, but still be disproportionate to their overall significance to the article topic."
 * No measure of significance to the article topic has been established. Toronto is not anywhere near the entirety of the global Trekkie community. Even within Toronto, it would seem that these studies do not make a conclusion of a significant portion of the local Trekkie population being pedophiles. Therefore, the addition of this material would be giving it undo weight. With theme as charged as pedophilia, we should take extra care to make sure that any addition to the article actually represents something significant to the topic as a whole, especially since that topic is a group of people. We do not need to risk people concluding that Trekkies are more likely to be pedophiles when that claim may not be supported even within Toronto, let alone among the global community. --OuroborosCobra (talk) 22:41, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I appreciate LogicalFinance33's retraction, and OuroborosCobra's retraction of Liblarva's slander; I still await an apology for Liblarva for blatantly lying about the accuracy of the disputed section relative to the cites.
 * That said, nowhere is the claim made that Trekkies are more likely to be pedophiles. There is verifiable evidence, according to the Toronto police and local researchers, that pedophiles they have dealt with are more likely to be Trekkies than the general populace. We do not know whether this is true of pedophiles in general; this may be so or may not. The absence of data should not be interpreted as a negative or a positive, which means we are just as unjustified in concluding that this is a Toronto-only phenomenon as in concluding that this is true of pedophiles worldwide. Thus, all we can do is present the facts as established by reliable sources, say nothing else, and let readers draw their own conclusions. In any case, Toronto is one of the world's largest cities, and the cites establish that over a period of several years a large number of pedophile Trekkies have been arrested; we are not talking about one or two found in Nowheresville, Arkansas. In an article that discusses the history, behavior, and positive and negative characteristics of Trekkies (both collectively and that of individual members) in great detail, to exclude any mention of such a significant, unusual behavior pattern that has been reliably reported would be unencyclopedic.
 * Once again: Since WP:BLP is not involved, the only determinants of whether certain content should be included are the likes of WP:TRIVIA (this is not a list of random, miscellaneous factoids), WP:NPOV (I feel comfortable in saying that the section passes this), WP:OR/WP:V/WP:RS (clear passes), and WP:UNDUE (resolvable by making the content's length appropriate to its importance and the size of the rest of the article). As icky as all non-perverts find the topic of pedophilia/child pornography, there is no WP:SQUEAMISH or WP:UNPLEASANT in Wikipedia; WP:IDONTLIKEIT does exist for a reason. Ylee (talk) 04:53, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The question is, why are you (and only you, as far as I can see) so adamant that this information be included? In what way is it relevant to understanding the topic of "Trekkies"?  You yourself admit that we can't draw any conclusions from this single data point, but the mere act of including it in the article indicates to the reader that we find it significant.  Yes, a few news sources picked up on the factoid, but that doesn't make it automatically relevant to any particular encyclopedia topic.  Powers T 12:41, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Unusual, significant, documented behavior that is related to Trekkies is relevant to Trekkies, an article about the behavior and characteristics of Trekkies. No need to "draw any conclusions" about it. Period.
 * I've been very patient here. I didn't revert you despite your remarkable claim that text that does not otherwise violate basic Wikirules needs consensus to be added and not deleted, which is totally backwards; requested third-party opinions; seen the text vandalized many times before the current dispute; and repeatedly offered to compromise on the location and length of the disputed text. What have I received in return? Flat-out lies about the text's accuracy, claims of vandalism against me, repeated mistaken claims like "The disputed text says most Toronto Trekkies are pedophiles!", and repeated arguments that are explicitly or implicitly variations of WP:IDONTLIKEIT. It's quite frustrating. Bottom line: The burden of proof is up to you, not me, to show that the text violates a basic Wikirule. Ylee (talk) 14:03, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

First, drop the "IDONTLIKEIT" line. The arguments against you have not been based on personal wishes or dislikes for quite some time now. I am tempted to consider your continued use of that line in ignorance of actual arguments being made against you to be ad hominem.

Second, you claim we cannot treat this as a Toronto-only phenomena, that the absence of further data cannot be treated negatively or positively. You seem to be forgetting the "positive" part of that sentence. We cannot claim that this is only true for Toronto (no one here has, by the way), but you cannot claim that it extends beyond Toronto either. The only thing that can be said is of an occurrence of Trekkies among pedophiles in Toronto. No more, no less. That does not on its own carry weight worth mentioning in an article that is about the world Trekkie population, and not only about Toronto. No one is saying that it is impossible for it to extend beyond Toronto, only that we have no source or information stating that it extends beyond Toronto. We don't even have a source claiming that Trekkies within Toronto are more likely to be pedophiles than the general population, so even among Toronto Trekkies we do not necessarily have weight for inclusion. Your study says something characteristic for Toronto pedophiles, not Toronto Trekkies. There is no information on behaviors characteristic of Trekkies. The burden of proof is on you to defend the significance of this content for the article, and you have failed to do so.

Third, do not take your repeated offers for "compromise" as putting you on higher moral ground. While compromise is often a goal and avenue to reach consensus, compromise should not be used to force inclusion of material that is of undo weight for the article or violates any other policies. Compromise is not always possible within disputes. In this case, you have a nearly unanimous group of other editors saying that your content is of unduly low weight or importance or significance to the topic to merit inclusion in this article. You are the only one still hoping to include it. You are not going to reach consensus for supporting of including your content, particularly if you continue with this kind of attack on other editors with "IDONTLIKEIT" and playing the victim.

Fourth, as the section of WP:UNDUE I quoted states, the solution to weight in article content is not only length. Sometimes it is lack of inclusion of disputed material at all.

Fifth, in the interest of coming to any sort of positive end to this dispute, you need to drop any demands of Liblarva apologizing. Be the bigger person and move on, especially considering that Liblarva hasn't even been involved in this conversation for about four days now. Don't hold a grudge, and don't let events from an editor that is seemingly no longer involved in the dispute cloud your willingness to discuss this with the rest of us. --OuroborosCobra (talk) 17:00, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) How/why did the arguments against this section get based on personal wishes/dislikes in the first place? Doesn't your acknowledgement say something sad about what I've had to deal with here since the dispute opened? I hate playing the victim but, dang it, I have been here. If I hadn't been around long enough on Wikipedia to know how things (ought to) work, I might've been bullied away by the start of this dispute.
 * 2) Hypothetical: If reliable sources stated that a significantly higher-than-average percentage of Chicago high school valedictorians over the past several years were Star Trek fans (not the likes of Harry Potter or Star Wars, but Star Trek), and Northwestern University researchers stated that there might be something about interest in Star Trek that was linked to unusually strong performance in school, would this be appropriate for mention in the article in some way? Why or why not? How does your answer apply to this dispute?
 * 5) You are right. I will do so, with the one caveat of noting here that he, the one who began this discussion, is a prime example of what I was talking about in 1).
 * 3)/4) I have always acknowledged that WP:UNDUE is the one standard Wikitest the disputed section really might fail, and I can't argue that, even aside from the unfair attacks, consensus here has been against me regarding the worthiness of the content. I am prepared to drop the dispute if I can get satisfactory answers to 2). Ylee (talk) 19:44, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Your hypothetical seems like a comparable trivium that would need wider coverage or evidence of significance to merit a mention in an encyclopedia article on "Trekkies". Perhaps in a section that discussed potential merits of being a Trekkie, it would not be out of place, but absent that kind of context, it probably should not be included.  Powers T 21:05, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Well...nice to see at some point in the past 9 years this section was removed. Sounds like irrelevant bogus crap to me. Alexandermoir (talk) 22:50, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Preempted
Hi

I just changed preempted to cancelled (History section, end para. 1)

The body of text states "a Canadian TV station" and had "preempted".

 * The ref used has the first report about a TV station, and says "replacement"
 * The next report talks about the CBC network calls and says "preempted"

Changed to match the specific TV station report mentioned in the article. Chaosdruid (talk) 13:58, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

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Bill Gates's Entry
This entry is confusing Bill Gates for Les Solomon, the one who named the Altair 8800. Someone needs to provide information about Bill Gates himself being a fan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.168.151.40 (talk) 18:41, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Notable fans, recommend truncation or removal
My two cents. I see there has been conflict over the notable fans sections for many years. Can someone high up just deliver a verdict? I think the section is not only silly and flippant but also poorly written. Whoever sat there and wrote it said everyone “is a huge fan.” That’s sophomoric language for what purports to be an encyclopedia. Alexandermoir (talk) 22:48, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Other Names sections (the one that talks about DS9 fans being called niners)
Hi all, While I understand the humor of the section "other names," I feel that it is not really relevant to the article. Before I delete it, I would like to reach a consensus. A quick google search revealed no source that seems to pass WP:NOR for the information provided. NANPLover47 (talk) 04:47, 11 November 2021 (UTC)NANPLover47
 * thats what I stumbled over, too, and brought me here. The article is full of small-detail non-information, but this "niner" nonsense tops is all. please remove! 47.71.34.207 (talk) 10:04, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Rename to Star Trek fandom?
Should this be renamed to Star Trek fandom (currently a redirect here)? It seems like a more apt framing of the discussed phenomenon. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:35, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

 * That would be ideal. Trekkie is the demonym that refers to a Star Trek fan. ― Susmuffin Talk 23:57, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

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Labour council

A labour council, trades council or industrial council is an association of labour unions or union branches in a given area. Most commonly, they represent unions in a given geographical area, whether at the district, city, region, or provincial or state level. They may also be based on a particular industry rather than geographical area, as for example, in the Maritime Council of Australia which co-ordinated the waterfront and maritime unions involved in the 1890 Australian Maritime Dispute.

Affiliates of labour councils are trade union branches or locals, and occasionally other labour movement organisations. Citywide or provincial councils may have district or regional labour council affiliates as well as trade unions. Some labour councils restrict their membership to organisations which are affiliated with a particular national trade union federation, such as many state-level labour councils in the United States, which are chartered from the AFL–CIO national confederation.

Finances are usually obtained through an affiliation fee, often based on a per capita tax on the membership of affiliates. In Australia, Trades and Labour Councils often have their own hall and offices known as a Trades Hall, with the term Trades Hall often used as a colloquial expression for the Labour Council or Trades Hall Council.

Note on usage
Labour councils are a widespread phenomenon, but are given different names in different English-speaking areas. Labour Council is most common in Canada and Australia, Labor Council is used in the (USA) and Trades Council, Trades Union Council or Trades and Labour Council in the United Kingdom (and until recently was widespread in Australia) and some other countries. Another term sometimes used is Industrial Council, as in for example, the Barrier Industrial Council of Broken Hill in Australia.

National associations of trade unions, such as British Trade Union Congress may also be considered a labour council, though the term often implies a primarily local organisation.

History
Labour Councils were formed to meet a need to co-ordinate trade union activity in a geographical region. The earliest examples of this form of organisation can be found in the medieval craft guilds and Craft halls that developed in European cities. An example of this is the historic Glasgow Trades Hall wherein the 14 Incorporated Trades of Hammermen, Tailors, Cordiners, Maltmen, Weavers, Bakers, Skinners, Wrights, Coopers, Fleshers, Masons, Gardeners, Barbers, Bonnetmakers & Dyers yearly elected members of the Trades House, headed by the Deacon Convener of the Trades:

"The Trades House of Glasgow was created at the time of reform of Glasgow's local government in 1605. At that time the electorate was basically divided into two groups, the Merchants and the Craftsmen. The Craft Incorporations or Guilds comprised the trades Rank of Burgesses under the leadership of the deacon convener, who was given a council. This included the Craft leaders and is the body we now recognise as the Trades House."

The trade union activity of the late nineteenth century in particular spurred the establishment of Labour Councils and Trades Councils acrossing North America, Australia and Britain.

Some notable events in the history of labour councils include:

 * 1791–1794 – Glasgow Trades Hall built to serve as a public hall and meeting place for the city's Trades House and 14 Incorporated Crafts
 * 1834 – attempt to establish the Grand National Consolidated Trades Union in Britain
 * 1848 – first Liverpool Trades Council founded
 * 1856 – Melbourne Trades Hall Committee formed. Now known as Victorian Trades Hall Council
 * 1858 – Sheffield Trades Council and Glasgow Trades Council founded
 * 1859 – Melbourne Trades Hall opened in May. Edinburgh Trades Council and Bolton Trades Council founded
 * 1860 – London Trades Council and Leeds Trades Council founded
 * 1861 – Dundee Trades Union Council founded
 * 1864 – Manchester and Salford Trades Council formed.
 * 1868 – First Trades Union Congress called by Manchester and Salford Trades Council in Manchester, with invitations being sent to "trades councils and other similar federations of trade societies" only.
 * 1871 – Trades & Labor Council of Sydney formed.
 * 1871 – Toronto Trades and Labour Assembly (now the Toronto and York Labour Council) formed
 * 1893 – San Francisco Labor Council chartered.
 * 1895 – Trades Union Congress (Britain) restricted to unions, with trades councils excluded altogether to avoid dual representation.
 * 1896 – Building Trades Council (now known as the San Francisco Building and Construction Trades Council is formed in San Francisco, California, uniting various craft unions in the construction industry.
 * 1926 – In Britain, Trades Councils play a prominent role in organising the General Strike

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Unison, Virginia

Unison is an unincorporated community village in Loudoun County, Virginia. It is located approximately five miles from Middleburg in the Loudoun Valley close to the Fauquier County border.

History
Founded in about 1740 by Quakers who had migrated down from Pennsylvania, via Maryland and across the Potomac to the fertile farmlands of Northern Virginia, the village and its surrounds - later to become known as Union, and then Unison - was referred to as "Greenland" or "Butterland" in early 1800s deeds. The name "Butterland" was said to have come about as a nod to the Royal taxes at the time being collected in pounds of butter, rather than coin. In 1813 Virginia's General Assembly chartered the village as the Town of Union. That same year the federal government established the Union Post Office, discontinued twice in its early years, from 1820-1824, and in 1828. The post office was reestablished in 1829 under Union's new name of Unison which was forced on the town largely because Monroe Court House in Monroe County, Virginia had taken the name Union a few years prior, even though its own post office had been established 4 years after Loudoun's Union post office. Unfortunately for Loudoun's Union, Monroe County got preferred treatment because their courthouse was situated in their town of Union.

By the 1830s Unison was the 4th largest town in Loudoun County. Yardley Taylor, writing for Joseph Martin's Gazetteer of Virginia in 1835, used the old name "Union" to identify Unison and counted 25 dwellings, 3 houses of worship, a school, 2 general stores, a blacksmith, and a tavern. Among the 135 inhabitants there were a number of professionals including a lawyer and 3 physicians.

As the prospect of a civil war loomed on the horizon at the opening of the 1860s, the last vote of the Unison Precinct on May 23, 1861 - a count to affirm Virginia's secession from the Federal Union - was 150-0, the largest shutout vote for secession in the county. All the Quaker pacifists had remained home during the voting, so their voices against secession remained silent.

Between October 31 and November 2, 1862, the village was the scene of several skirmishes between Confederate cavalry under J.E.B. Stuart and Union cavalry, infantry and artillery in what is now known as the Battle of Unison. Because Stuart's delaying tactics at Unison cost the Federals time, a major portion of Lee's force had crossed the Blue Ridge, reached Culpeper and now had time to regroup and prepare for the next major encounter between the two sides at Fredericksburg. Lee's army and his capital were saved. On November 5, 1862, the New York Times correspondent reported "Stuart . . . balked what might have been a splendid success".

After the war Unison remained Loudoun County's 4th largest town for only a few more years. By the late 1870s towns along the railroad line running through western Loudoun County, which missed Unison by 8 miles, saw their populations boom, and soon outstripped Unison in both commercial and population importance. Unison's post office remained until 1919 when the mails were discontinued to the town, the post office was closed, and mail delivery moved to the post office in nearby town of Round Hill which was served by the Washington and Old Dominion Railroad. However, even into the middle of the 20th century, Unison maintained itself as a viable town with its own churches, general store, and a saddle shop, and even a baseball team that played in the Loudoun baseball leagues. By the 1980s the town had been in decline, too far away from the new highways that now carried the bulk of Loudoun's commerce and population. By the 1990s the town had become little more than a sleepy residential enclave with only 50 permanent residences and 14 or so houses. The last retail enterprise, the Unison Store, a general store that had been in continuous business since 1880, closed in August 1996.

In 2001 the vacant Unison Store building was being considered by a buyer as a tear down. This news prompted a local gathering of residents to attempt to save the building. They formed a 501[c]3 non-profit group, incorporated as "The Unison Preservation Society", their stated goal to help protect and preserve the historic village and surrounding countryside of Unison. As a result of their efforts Unison was placed on the Virginia Landmarks Register in 2002 as the Unison Historic District, and on the National Register of Historic Places in 2003. The store was purchased at highest bid by a local business at a public auction in 2001, and the building subsequently renovated. It was used as an office business until April 2013 when the building was again sold. It was purchased this time by a local philanthropist, Dr. Betsee Parker, owner of Huntlands, who then gifted the building to the Unison Preservation Society. The old Unison Store is now a community center, serving the village and the surrounding area.

On Sept. 22, 2011, due to the successful efforts of the Unison Preservation Society's research and documentation into the important historical significance of the battles and skirmishes that took place in and around the Unison area, Virginia added further buildings and acreage to the Virginia Landmarks register and nominated the 8,000-acre Unison Battlefield Historic District for inclusion on the National Register of Historic Places.

The population count of Unison is now about 30, greatly outnumbered by the horses in the surrounding farms. The village contains a single United Methodist Church, and a number of private home businesses.

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Wende

Wende may refer to:

 * Die Wende (1989–1990), the historical period around German reunification.
 * Wende Museum, a museum and educational institution in Culver City, California, United States
 * Wende, Alabama, an unincorporated community in Russell County, Alabama, United States
 * Wende, New York, a hamlet in the town of Alden in Erie County, New York, United States
 * Wende Correctional Facility, a maximum security prison
 * Wende Station, a station on the Taipei Metro in Taiwan
 * Wende–Bauckus syndrome or Pegum syndrome, a medical condition
 * Wende horn, a runic symbol
 * Wende (album), a 1976 Ran Blake recording

People

 * Wende (singer) or Wende Snijders (born 1978), Dutch singer
 * Empress Wende or Empress Zhangsun, (601–636), of the Tang dynasty China
 * Bruno Wende (1859–1929), American soldier who received the Medal of Honor
 * Daniel Wende (born 1984), German figure skater
 * František Wende (1904–1968), Czechoslovak skier
 * Gottfried H. Wende (1852-1933), American politician from New York
 * Horst Wende (1919—1996), German bandleader, arranger and composer
 * Philipp Wende (born 1985), German rower
 * Richard Vander Wende, American visual and video game designer
 * Wende Wagner (1941–1997), American actress

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User talk:Invictus61101

Why are you changing "BTK killer" to "BTK strangler" when the title of the article is clearly BTK killer. Killer gets over 20,000 Google hits and strangler gets over 8,000. RickK 05:46, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2005-06-06/Lists and rankings

Wikipedia picked up another honor last week as it was named one of the year's 100 best products by a major computer magazine, following a similar designation received recently by Wiktionary.

Last Wednesday, PC World magazine released its list, "The 100 Best Products of 2005", which appears in its July issue. This honor, which the magazine calls its "World Class Awards", is for "great products [that] meld practical features with innovation." In spite of the designation, however, not all of the "products" are commercial in nature, and Wikipedia is actually one of 23 honorees that are available free of charge.

Wikipedia came in at #60 overall on the ranked list, which was topped by Mozilla Firefox. The list — dominated, unsurprisingly, by computer software and hardware products — included only a handful of other websites, among them Google, Flickr, and Internet Archive. Also included at #33 was the website of the The New York Times, the only other information site to appear.

Earlier, Wiktionary was named one of the top 100 websites by PC Magazine in its annual feature, "Top 100 Sites You Didn't Know You Couldn't Live Without". The story was part of the magazine's 26 April edition (in contrast to PC World, the list is not ranked in order). Last year, Wikipedia was included as one of the top 100 sites in the same feature.

In other news related to rankings, Alterego reported in his blog Monday that Wikipedia has climbed up a notch in Google's rankings to achieve a PageRank of 9. Specifically, he indicated that it was the main page of the English Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page) that reached this mark, rather than Wikipedia's multilingual portal (http://www.wikipedia.org), which still has a PageRank of 8. The difference can be explained because traffic to the portal would generally only come from people who don't have the main page for a particular language bookmarked. Only 63 sites have a PageRank of 10, the highest score possible.

Also this week: Downtime — Passwords — Content arbitration — Brockhaus — Features — Top 100 list — T.R.O.L.L. — Press coverage


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Brad May

Bradley Scott May (born November 29, 1971) is a Canadian former professional ice hockey player who played in the National Hockey League (NHL). In the 2006–07 season he won the Stanley Cup as a member of the Anaheim Ducks. He currently works as an NHL analyst with AT&T SportsNet Rocky Mountain. May was born in Toronto, Ontario, but grew up in Markham, Ontario.

Playing career
May was drafted by the Buffalo Sabres, 14th overall, in the 1990 NHL Entry Draft. While not a prolific scorer, May contributed to Sabres history in his second full season with the team. In Game 4 of the opening round of the 1993 Stanley Cup playoffs against the Boston Bruins, the teams were tied at 5 and required overtime to decide a winner. May took a pass from a falling Pat LaFontaine at center ice, deked past Ray Bourque, then went on goal where he faked out Andy Moog, which caused him to fall and leave an open space for May to score on a wrist shot. The goal not only won the game but secured Buffalo's upset of the second-best team in the NHL. The goal is referred to informally as the "Mayday goal", thanks to the following call from Sabres voice Rick Jeanneret:

Here's May coming in on goal, he shoots, he scoooooores! Mayday! Mayday! Mayday! Mayday! Mayday! Brad May! Wins it in overtime! Buffalo sweeps the Bruins!

May was later traded by the Sabres to the Vancouver Canucks for forward Geoff Sanderson on February 5, 1998.

After sitting out during the 2004–05 NHL lockout, May signed with the Colorado Avalanche as an unrestricted free agent for two years on August 20, 2005. May's signing caused much conjecture and debate in Colorado due to his role played in the previous season's Todd Bertuzzi and Steve Moore incident as a Vancouver Canuck. He was later traded on February 27, 2007, to the Anaheim Ducks for goaltender Michael Wall. The Ducks went on to win the Stanley Cup that year.

On July 4, 2007, May re-signed as a free agent with Anaheim for another two years. In the 2007–08 season, May played his 900th career NHL game on November 16, 2007, and scoring his 125th career goal as the Ducks beat the Los Angeles Kings 6-3. May was selected during the year to ride on Anaheim city's float at the 2008 Tournament of Roses Parade to accompany and parade the Stanley Cup.

During the 2008–09 season on January 7, 2009, May was traded from the Ducks to the Toronto Maple Leafs in exchange for a conditional 6th round draft pick in 2010. On April 8, 2009, May played in his 1,000th career NHL game against the Buffalo Sabres. It was no coincidence that the milestone came against the Buffalo Sabres, as he was purposely sat out for the previous game.

On September 23, 2009, May was invited to try out for the Detroit Red Wings, reuniting temporarily with former Vancouver teammates Todd Bertuzzi and Dan Cloutier. May made his Red Wings debut in a pre-season game on September 25, 2009. At the start of the 2009–10 season on October 8, 2009, May then signed a one-year contract with the Red Wings. After posting 2 assists in 40 games with Red Wings May was put on waiver to clear roster room for Andreas Lilja on February 12, 2010. After clearing waivers and briefly contemplating possible retirement May decided to report to Wings AHL affiliate, the Grand Rapids Griffins, to play out the season. In an expanded role with the Griffins May scored 10 points in 17 games before he was returned to Detroit as a part of the extended squad for the playoffs.

Post-playing career and broadcasting
On September 20, 2010, without an offer of a new contract, May effectively announced his retirement in accepting a position as a CBC American Hockey League analyst. Following the retirement of longtime Buffalo Sabres analyst Mike Robitaille after the 2013-14 season, May joined the Sabres broadcast crew on a limited basis before moving into Robitaille's slot in a full-time role for the NHL 2014-15 season. May was replaced on Sabres broadcasts by Martin Biron following the 2016-2017 season. Beginning with the 2017-2018 season, May serves as an analyst for the Vegas Golden Knights with AT&T SportsNet Rocky Mountain. In 2024, May competed on the tenth season of The Amazing Race Canada with his daughter Sam.

Phoenix Coyotes
As a member of the Phoenix Coyotes on November 11, 2000, May was suspended for 20 games for slashing Columbus Blue Jackets forward Steve Heinze in the nose with his stick. Heinze would need nine stitches, but returned to the ice quickly. After the game, May apologized to Heinze, who accepted the apology. At the time, the 20-game suspension was the fourth longest in NHL history.

In 2002, May was arrested after assaulting a police officer and disorderly conduct at a nightclub in Scottsdale, Arizona. He was consequently sued by the police officer and in December 2005, was ordered to pay damages from a civil jury.

Steve Moore
May was also noted for allegedly putting the bounty on the head of the Colorado Avalanche's Steve Moore that ultimately resulted in the Todd Bertuzzi incident that essentially ended Moore's career. May was named in a lawsuit filed by Moore, but unable to prove if May did in fact put out a bounty on Moore, charges were later dropped in Colorado as the case was moved to a Canadian court.

Kim Johnsson
May was suspended for three games in the 2007 Stanley Cup Playoffs for punching Minnesota Wild defenceman Kim Johnsson in the face during the final minutes of Game Four between the Ducks and Wild. Both teams were involved in a large scrum of fighting, pushing, and shoving. May turned around and without warning punched Johnsson, who was skating towards the scrum. Johnsson was knocked unconscious for a short amount of time. Johnsson was not seriously injured, but was hospitalized, and missed Game Five of the series. The Ducks would win that game and eliminate the Wild from the Playoffs. In an interview, May said that he intended to contact Johnsson to apologize and explain what happened.

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List of television shows filmed in New York City

This page provides a partial list of television shows shooting in New York City.

In 2011, 23 TV shows were shot in New York while only nine shows were a decade before.

Shows filmed primarily on location and/or using studio facilities in the Five Boroughs

 * 3AM (2015)
 * 30 Rock (2006–2013)
 * 666 Park Ave. (2012–2013)
 * All My Children (1970–2009) - moved to Los Angeles in 2010
 * America's Got Talent (2012–2015)
 * The Americans (2013–2018)
 * Another World (1964–1999)
 * Armstrong Circle Theater
 * Arthur Godfrey and His Friends
 * Arthur Godfrey's Talent Scouts
 * As the World Turns (1956–2010)
 * The Bedford Diaries (2006)
 * The Black Donnellys (2006–2007)
 * Blue Bloods (2010–present)
 * Boardwalk Empire (2010–2014)
 * Bored to Death (2009–2011)
 * Broad City (2014–2019)
 * Calucci's Department (September–December 1973)
 * Captain Kangaroo (1955–1984)
 * Car 54, Where Are You? (1961–1963)
 * The Carrie Diaries (2012–2014)
 * Cashmere Mafia (2008)
 * The Colbert Report (2005–2014)
 * Conviction (2006)
 * Cosby (1996–2000)
 * The Cosby Mysteries (1994–1995)
 * The Cosby Show (1984–1992)
 * Crashing (2017–2019)
 * The Daily Show
 * Damages (2007–2012)
 * The Days and Nights of Molly Dodd (1989–1991)
 * The Defenders (2010–2011)
 * Delocated (2000–2013)
 * The Dick Cavett Show
 * Dick Clark's New Year's Rockin' Eve (1972–present)
 * The Dr. Oz Show
 * East Side/West Side
 * The Ed Sullivan Show
 * The Edge of Night (1956–1984)
 * Elementary (2012–2019)
 * The Equalizer (1985–1989)
 * The Following (2013–2015)
 * Flight of the Conchords (2007–2009)
 * Fringe (2008–2013)
 * A Gifted Man (2011–2012)
 * Girls (2012–2017)
 * The Goldbergs (1949–1956)
 * Golden Boy (2013)
 * The Good Wife (2009–2016)
 * Gossip Girl (2007–2012)
 * Gotham (2014–2019)
 * Guiding Light (1952–August 14, 2009) - since 2008, shooting 1/5 of its scenes on location in Peapack, New Jersey
 * Heroes (2006–2010)
 * The Honeymooners (1955–1956)
 * Hope & Faith (2003–2006)
 * How to Make It in America (2010–2011)
 * In Treatment (2009–2010)
 * Inside Amy Schumer (2013–2016)
 * Daredevil (2015–2018)
 * Jessica Jones (2015–2018)
 * Luke Cage (2016–2018)
 * Iron Fist (2017–present)
 * Jessie (2011-2015)
 * The Job (2001–2002)
 * The Jury (2004)
 * Kate and Allie (1984–1989)
 * Kings (2009)
 * Kraft Television Theatre
 * Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (2014–present)
 * Late Night with David Letterman (1982–1993)
 * Late Night with Conan O'Brien (1993–2009)
 * Late Night with Jimmy Fallon (2009–2014)
 * Late Night with Seth Meyers (2014–present)
 * Late Show with David Letterman (1993–2015)
 * The Late Show with Stephen Colbert (2015–present)
 * Law & Order (1990–2010; 2022-)
 * Law & Order: Criminal Intent (2001–2011)
 * Law & Order: Organized Crime (2021–)
 * Law & Order: Special Victims Unit (1999–present)
 * Law & Order: Trial by Jury (2005)
 * Life on Mars (2008–2009)
 * Lipstick Jungle (2008)
 * Live (1983–present)
 * Louie (2010–2015)
 * Love & Hip Hop (2011–Present)
 * Love Monkey (2006)
 * Love of Life (1951–80)
 * Love Life (2021 - Present)
 * Made in Jersey (2012)
 * Mama (1949–1957)
 * Manifest (2018–present)
 * Martha Stewart
 * Master of None
 * The Merv Griffin Show (1965–1970)
 * Mob Wives (2011)
 * Naked City (1958–1963)
 * New Amsterdam (2008)
 * New York Undercover (1994–1998)
 * The Newsroom (2012–2014)
 * Nurse Jackie (2009–2015)
 * NYC 22 (2011–2012)
 * N.Y.P.D. (1967–1969)
 * One Life to Live (1968–2011; series last aired in 2012)
 * Once Upon a Time (2011–2018)
 * Orange Is the New Black (2013–2019)
 * Pan Am (2011–2012)
 * The Patty Duke Show (1963–1966) - production moved to Los Angeles midway through final season
 * The Phil Silvers Show (AKA: You'll Never Get Rich} (1955-1959) Final season shot in Los Angeles.
 * Person of Interest (2011–2016)
 * Rescue Me (2004–2010)
 * Royal Pains (2009–2016)
 * Ryan's Hope (1975–1989)
 * Saturday Night Live (1975–present)
 * Search for Tomorrow (1951–1986)
 * The Secret Storm (1954–1974)
 * Sesame Street (1969–present)
 * Sex and the City (1998–2004)
 * Shining Time Station (1989) - after season one, shooting in Toronto
 * Smash (2012–2013)
 * Spin City (1996–2002) - after season four, filming in Los Angeles
 * Stage Show (1954–1956)
 * Stanley (1956–1957)
 * Third Watch (1999–2005)
 * Today (1952–present)
 * The Tonight Show (1954–1972, 2014–)
 * Tonight Starring Steve Allen (1954–1957)
 * Tonight! America After Dark (1957)
 * Tonight Starring Jack Paar (1957–1962)
 * The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson (1962–1972) - moved to Burbank, California in 1972
 * The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon (2014–present)
 * The Wendy Williams Show (2008–2022)
 * Ugly Betty (2006–2010) - pilot and season 3 onward
 * Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt (2015–2019)
 * Unforgettable (2011–2016)
 * The United States Steel Hour (1953–1963)
 * Wallflowers (2012–present) - web series
 * Watch What Happens Live (2009–present)
 * Westinghouse Studio One
 * White Collar (2009–2014)

Shows filmed using studio facilities in the Five Boroughs but with significant location shooting elsewhere

 * The Sopranos (1999–2007) - Silvercup Studios in Queens, most location shooting in New Jersey, some in New York City
 * The Book of Daniel (2006) - Silvercup Studios in Queens, various suburban locations, church scenes at All Saints Church, Pasadena, California

Shows filmed primarily elsewhere but have some location shooting in the Five Boroughs
All with primary filming in Los Angeles-area studios, unless otherwise noted.
 * Becker (1998–2004)
 * Blind Justice (2005)
 * Brooklyn South (1997–1998)
 * CSI: NY (2004–2013)
 * Friends (1994–2004)
 * How I Met Your Mother (2005–2014)
 * Kojak (1973–1978)
 * Mad About You (1992–1999)
 * McCloud (1970–1977)
 * NYPD Blue (1993–2005)
 * The Odd Couple (1970–1975)
 * Rules of Engagement (2007–2013)
 * Seinfeld (1989–1998)
 * Suits (2011–2016) - primary filming in Toronto
 * Will & Grace (1998–2006)


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Simplesse

Simplesse is a multi-functional dairy ingredient made from whey protein concentrate used as a fat substitute in low-calorie foods. Originally brought to market in 1988, the manufacturer, CP Kelco (a former NutraSweet subsidiary), sells Simplesse to food processors as a "microparticulated whey protein concentrate" in dry powder form, and recommends that it be labelled as dairy protein on food labels. Older versions of the product also contain egg whites.

The protein is partially coagulated by heat, creating a micro dispersion, in a process known as microparticulation. It is due to the small particle size of the protein that the dispersion is perceivable as a fluid with similar creaminess and richness of fat.

History
Simplesse began in 1979 as "a substance that gelled like egg white but crumbled like Styrofoam." At that time, Shoji Yamamoto, an associate of Norman S. Singer at Canadian beer company John Labatt Ltd. in London, Ontario, brought Singer the whey protein substance. After sensing that it gave the taste texture of cream cheese, another scientist put a sample under a powerful microscope and saw "tiny spheres of protein rolling over each other" about a tenth the size of particles of powdered sugar. It was this particle rolling action that gave a smooth creaminess sensation. Another associate of Singer, scientist Nina Davis, worked for three years with Simplesse (then called microcurd) to adapt it to and incorporate it into many different food products. After Singer's boss observed that the product tasted like cheesecake, Singer filed for and received a United States patent for his efforts with the product. Labatt licensed the product to NutraSweet, a subsidiary of Creve Coeur, Missouri, United States chemical conglomerate Monsanto, in 1984. The product was given the trademark "Simplesse" in January 1988. An initial version of the product, approved for use in frozen desserts like low-fat ice cream substitutes by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), was introduced to the public about that same time as being "the first completely natural fat substitute." The FDA approved a second version of the product in 1991 for use in salad dressings, butter, and baked goods.

Product
Simplesse is a protein-based fat substitute derived from milk proteins that allows calorie reductions of up to 80 percent compared with foods that contain fat. Described in a United States patent abstract as "a proteinaceous, water-dispersible, macrocolloid comprising substantially non-aggregated particles of dairy whey protein," Simplesse particles are so minute that a person's tongue perceives the texture of the substitute as being smooth and creamy. Its texture is due to its ability to form a colloid, similar to the way fat is dispersed in homogenized milk. It differs from other whey protein concentrate mainly by virtue of the principles of food rheology; it is produced by a mechanical, rather than a chemical process. However, when heated such as by frying, the ingredients in the faux fat begin to gel similar to egg whites so the product mostly is used in ice cream, butter, spread cheeses, sour cream and dips, oil-based products such as salad dressings and mayonnaise, and other products that do not involve cooking.

Application
Simplesse is used in ice cream, yogurt, cheese spread, salad dressings, margarine, mayonnaise, coffee creamer, soups, and sauces.

According to the Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA), the common name of Simplesse for use in the list of ingredients of a food depends on the form of Simplesse used in the final product. If the Simplesse is made from egg white and milk protein, then the common name must appear in the list of ingredients as "egg and milk protein". The trade name "Simplesse" may appear in brackets following "egg and milk protein". An earlier suggested common name "microparticulated protein" is no longer required. If Simplesse is actually "whey protein concentrate", it may be described as either "whey protein concentrate" or "modified milk ingredient" (section B.01.010 (3) (b) item 7.1, of the Food and Drug Regulations) in the list of ingredients. In either case, the trade name "Simplesse" may appear in brackets following it. (09/MA/90; 20/MR/92; 06/NO/92; MA 25/94.) Date modified: 2012-09-21

Nutritional fact
Simplesse is digested as a protein, but due to the micro dispersion formed, it produces only 1.0 to 1.3 Cal/g as opposed to 9.0 Cal/g that produces regular fat. Consuming Simplesse gives the possibility of maintaining the rich texture of the product by avoiding the high calorie intake. Simplesse allows the consumer to feel satiety just as consuming a regular fat.

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