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User talk:Shaul

Why did you destroy the links to other language versions in the Article on Hebrew? You put "Hebrejstina" instead of "Hebrejština", "Hebraische Sprache" instead of "Hebräische Sprache", "Hebreu" instead of "Hébreu", etc. - all these links were thus destroyed! You should get a browser or editor that can handle special characters. Babelfisch 00:54, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. Shaul 17:47, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Ooops! It was some clipboard problem, not browser's or editor's one. Fixed.

Hi Shaul

would you be able to set up category:he-0 and template:user he-0 as in "fr" and "ke" which are meant to house those who have some awareness of the language but know very, very little. Which is where I am of course. I am in as he-1 but I believe that over states my competence. As this has a few takers in other languages I believe an entry for Hebrew would be in order. I understand the Wiki part of it but not the 'text' to use, for obvious reasons. Kevinalewis 14:50, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Hello, Shaul:

On the page for Dov Gazit, you edited out the comment (short form variation of Borislav) refering to Borys. Please refer to several name sites, such as http://www.babynamer.com/Boris which provide the following... Meaningof Borislav: Its source is bor slav, a Slavic name meaning "Glorious battle." Nickname For: Borislav Nicknames: Borja Alternative Spellings: Borris and Borys Since not only my limited Russian, and that of my Russian relatives concur with my original comment, but so to do several references, I will, with your agreement, reintroduce the explanation you had deleted. SZAgassi 15:35, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

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User talk:Baxter3

3RR
You appear to have violated the Three revert rule (3RR) at William White (agitator). As you haven't been warned before, I'm not going to report it, but if you do it again, you will be reported, and are likely to be blocked from editing for up to 24 hours for each offense. Please also read our core policies before editing any further, particularly No original research, Neutral point of view, Verifiability, and Cite sources. Many thanks, SlimVirgin (talk) 00:54, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

 * SlimVirgin, you have repeatedly vandalized the William White (agitator) page that I have been editing, and no violations in my reversions to the non-vandalized versions have occurred. I am also not the only user who has reverted the page in question and deleted your vandalism.  I have asked for mediation and reported your account for disciplinary action.  Baxter3 01:06, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Please note that any revert to a previous version in whole or in part counts as a revert. If you do this more than three times in 24 hours, you're in violation of 3RR. The only other person who has reverted to your version is, so far as I can tell, User:Sam Spade. I strongly encourage you to start editing in accordance with our policies, as your edits will not be allowed to stand otherwise. SlimVirgin (talk) 01:25, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

 * Ma'am, you're not in charge here. You reverted three times before I did, because you did one, then SamSpade went back, then you again, then me, then you again, then me, then you again -- four times.  Further, correction of page vandalism is not "reversion".  Read the rules.  The whole point is to avoid edit wars, and you are engaged in one -- not me.  I've referred this to mediation.  Please accept it.  I have also asked your acccount be suspended from editing the article -- we ar trying to develop a structure by which the sources cited can be evaluated and both sides of the issue can be discussed, and you are simply deleting it and trying to impose your POV.  68.10.35.153 01:27, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I didn't revert four times: go and look more carefully at the page history. You're correct that reverting vandalism isn't subject to 3RR, but edits don't count as vandalism just because you disagree with them. Please stop reverting and allow the editing to continue; once it's finished, you may find that you don't disagree with it. But regardless of anything else that happens, that long list of articles you inserted can't stay, as WP is not a place to store lists.
 * It generally isn't a good idea to create and edit a page about yourself; it invariably leads to these disputes because people can't view themselves with any objectivity, and so I advise you to step back for a bit, and wait to see what other editors come up with. Also, I note that you're editing as User:Baxter2, User:Baxter3, and User:68.10.35.153. Although there's no policy against having multiple accounts, we're not allowed to use them to make it appear that there's more support for a position than really exists, or to try to get round 3RR or violate other policies. Please see Sockpuppet. SlimVirgin (talk) 03:25, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

Sources and request for mediation
Have you considered cutting down the references to the most important ones. If you include over a 100 references, not only is it too time consuming to go through them all, the list would be longer than the article itself.

In mediation, you should always warn the other party of the request. I'll do so now. Mgm|(talk) 20:41, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

Bill White (activist)
I've just about finished the rewrite of this page. If you take a close look at it, I think you'll find that it's a fair and well-sourced write up. (In case it's been changed since I last looked, check the last version under my name to see what I wrote.) I've tried to stick closely to what the third-party sources say, and linked to them whenever I could - though sometimes I had to link to websites other than those of the news organizations, because not all the articles are online. Rather than reverting, how about letting me know what specifically you disagree with, if anything? Or if you think something important has been left out, or something has been emphasized unfairly, please say how you think it could be rectified, bearing in mind that it probably shouldn't get much longer. Regarding the list of articles you wanted, Willmcw suggested as a compromise that we put a link to the list on your website under External links; he or I will do that as soon as we can access your site. SlimVirgin (talk) 09:36, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Holly Ben-Joseph

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Holly Ben-Joseph
del. Vanity. nonnotable, nonverifiable. mikka (t) 00:55, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Vanity, nonnotable.  Ridethefire3211 01:19, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete vanity, non notable -CunningLinguist 01:19, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete vanity. It is verifiable the person is a landscape designer but notable? Nah. --Chill Pill Bill 01:20, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * It is not verifiable that the person is "considered one of the greatest landscape archritects". Of course, I am not going to contest that Holly was born on May 9. mikka (t) 01:59, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * delete see aboveWAvegetarian 04:38, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Nothing on the internet about a landscape designer by this name (according to google) shaunw 15:07, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment According to Google, her husband is a professor of landscape design. WAvegetarian 02:01, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete vanity. — Chameleon 19:29, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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Prince Eitel Friedrich of Prussia

Prince Wilhelm Eitel Friedrich Christian Karl of Prussia (7 July 1883 – 8 December 1942) was the second son of Emperor Wilhelm II of Germany by his first wife, Princess Augusta Viktoria of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Augustenburg. He was born and died in Potsdam, Germany.

Early life
Prince Eitel Friedrich was born on 7 July 1883 as the second son of the then Prince Wilhelm of Prussia, and his first wife, Princess Augusta Victoria of Schleswig-Holstein. He was born in the Marmorpalais of Potsdam in the Province of Brandenburg, where his parents resided until his father acceded to the throne as Emperor Wilhelm II in 1888. He spent his childhood with his siblings at the New Palace, also in Potsdam, and his school days with his brothers at the Prinzenhaus in Plön in his mother's ancestral Schleswig-Holstein.

On 27 February 1906, Prince Eitel married Duchess Sophia Charlotte of Oldenburg (2 February 1879 Oldenburg – 29 March 1964 Westerstede) in Berlin. They were divorced on 20 October 1926 on the grounds of her adultery before the war. They had no children.

In 1907, it was reported that Member of the Reichstag Otto Arendt had proposed the elevation of Alsace-Lorraine to a grand duchy within the empire, with Eitel Friedrich as monarch; however, while the Kaiser did express interest, ultimately nothing came of the plan.

World War I
Raised at the cadet corps of Plön Castle, Prince Eitel was in the front line from the beginning of World War I and was wounded at Bapaume, where he commanded the Prussian First Foot Guards. He temporarily relinquished command to Count Hans-Jürgen von Blumenthal, but returned to duty before the end of the year. The following year, he was transferred to the Eastern Front. During the summer of 1915, he was out in a field in Russia when he had a chance encounter with Manfred von Richthofen, who had just crashed with his superior officer, Count Holck. The two men were hiding in a nearby tree line from what they thought was the advancing Russian army and who turned out to be the grenadiers, guardsmen, and officers of Prince Eitel.

After the war, he was engaged in monarchist circles and Der Stahlhelm ex-servicemens' organization. In 1921, the Berlin criminal court found him guilty of the fraudulent transfer of 300,000 Marks and sentenced him to a fine of 5000 Marks.

Titles
From 1907 to 1926, he was Master of the Knights (Herrenmeister) of the Order of St. John (Johanniterorden). He received the Pour le Mérite order in 1915. His body is buried at the Antique Temple in Sanssouci Park, Potsdam.

Regimental Commissions

 * Hauptmann (captain) and commander of the Leibkompagnie (Life-company), 1. Garderegiment zu Fuß (1st Regiment of Foot Guards)
 * à la suite, Grenadierregiment König Friedrich Wilhelm IV.(1. Pommersches) Nr. 2
 * à la suite, 1. Gardelandwehrregiment (Guard Reserve Regiment)
 * Hauptmann (captain), Austria-Hungary K.u.K. Infantry Regiment "Wilhelm I., Deutscher Kaiser und König von Preußen" Nr. 34
 * Hauptmann (captain), Saxon Army
 * à la suite, 7. Königsinfanterieregiment (King's Infantry Regiment) Nr. 106
 * First Brigade of Imperial Guards, commander, 1914–15

Orders and decorations
• undefined:
 * German decorations

• * Knight of the Black Eagle, 7 July 1893; with Collar, 17 January 1902

• * Grand Cross of the Red Eagle, with Crown, 7 July 1893

• * Knight of the Prussian Crown, 1st Class, 7 July 1893

• * Grand Commander's Cross of the Royal House Order of Hohenzollern, 7 July 1893

• * 34th Master of Knights of the Johanniter Order, 1907–1926

• * Founder of the Cross of the Mount of Olives, 24 December 1909

• * Iron Cross (1914), 2nd and 1st Classes

• * Pour le Mérite (military), 22 March 1915; with Oak Leaves, 14 May 1915

•  Hohenzollern: Cross of Honour of the Princely House Order of Hohenzollern, 1st Class with Swords

•  Baden:

• * Knight of the House Order of Fidelity, 1904

• * Commander of the Military Karl-Friedrich Merit Order

•  undefined:

• * Knight of St. Hubert, 1913

• * Officer of the Military Merit Order, with Swords

•  undefined: War Merit Cross

•    Ernestine duchies:

• * Grand Cross of the Saxe-Ernestine House Order, with Swords

• * Cross for Merit in War (Saxe-Meiningen)

•  Hamburg: Hanseatic Cross

•  Hesse and by Rhine: Grand Cross of the Ludwig Order, 7 September 1904

•  Mecklenburg:

• * Grand Cross of the Wendish Crown, with Crown in Ore

• * Cross for Distinction in War, 1st Class (Strelitz)

•  Oldenburg:

• * Grand Cross of the Order of Duke Peter Friedrich Ludwig, with Golden Crown, Collar and Swords

• * Friedrich August Cross, 1st Class

•  undefined:

• * Knight of the Rue Crown

• * Knight of the Military Order of St. Henry, 20 March 1915

•  Württemberg: Grand Cross of the Württemberg Crown, 1899

•  Austria-Hungary: Grand Cross of the Royal Hungarian Order of St. Stephen, 1900
 * Foreign decorations

•  China: Order of the Double Dragon, Class I Grade II

• 🇩🇰 Denmark: Knight of the Elephant, 19 November 1906

• 🇬🇷 Greece: Grand Cross of the Redeemer

•  undefined: Knight of the Annunciation, 27 August 1902

•  undefined: Grand Cordon of the Order of the Chrysanthemum, 21 May 1908

•  undefined: Grand Cross of the Order of Prince Danilo I

• 🇳🇱 Netherlands: Grand Cross of the Netherlands Lion

• 🇳🇴 Norway: Grand Cross of St. Olav, with Collar, 15 December 1906

•  Ottoman Empire:

• * Order of Glory

• * Order of Osmanieh, 1st Class in Diamonds

•  Persia: Order of the Lion and the Sun, 1st Class

•  undefined:

• * Grand Cross of the Tower and Sword

• * Grand Cross of the Sash of the Two Orders

•  undefined:

• * Grand Cross of the Order of Carol I

• * Grand Cross of the Crown of Romania

•  undefined: Knight of St. Andrew, 1910

• 🇹🇭 Siam:

• * Knight of the Order of the Royal House of Chakri, 6 June 1902

• * Grand Cross of the Crown of Siam

•  undefined: Knight of the Military Merit Order, 3rd Class

• 🇸🇪 Sweden: Knight of the Seraphim, 1 December 1904

•  undefined: Honorary Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order, 1 July 1904 (expelled in 1915)

Two ships were named after Prince Eitel, the passenger ship Prince Eitel Friedrich (1901) and the Reich postal steamer Prince Eitel Friedrich (1904).
 * Honours

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Ono no Imoko

Ono no Imoko (小野 妹子) was a Japanese politician and diplomat in the late 6th and early 7th century, during the Asuka period.

Ono was appointed by Empress Suiko as an official envoy (Kenzuishi) to the Sui court in 607 (imperial embassies to China), and he delivered the famous letter from Japan's Prince Shōtoku which began "The Son of Heaven where the sun rises [Japan], to the Son of Heaven where the sun sets [China], may good health be with you." Emperor Yang was angered at being addressed in this way, although it is not clear whether he was angered more by the insult of Sui being referred to as the land of the setting sun, or by the use of Son of Heaven to refer both to himself and the emperor of Japan, hinting that they were equals, premodern China considered other Kingdoms to be nothing more than barbarian states and uneducated culture before the Huaxia ideology and any lands on the Earth's surface not engaged at the Sinocentric tributary system were called Huàwài zhī dì (化外之地; "lands outside of civilization"), the Emperor of China was considered the only legitimate emperor of the entire world (all lands under heaven) and the Japanese use of the same Chinese characters for Emperor ("son of heaven") was a subversion of this principle and Chinese theocracy. Nevertheless the Japanese disrespect, Emperor Yang was probably more interested in diplomatically distancing Japan from Goguryeo and getting support from Japan for being the other powerful kingdom besides Goguryeo in Northeast Asia than in matters of decorum, and despite the insult, he sent his own envoy, Pei Shiqing (裴世清), back to Japan with Ono. Goguryeo for years raided and assaulted Chinese borders, in an ill-fated attempt to subjugate the kingdom in the north, the Sui dynasty later  collapsed from unfavorable political opinion generated by the Goguryeo-Sui War and other causes.

Ono was then appointed envoy to Sui for a second time in the fall of 608 and accompanied Pei Shiqing on his return trip to China. Ono returned to Japan from his second mission in 609 and then largely disappeared from the historical record. Ono no Imoko is often cited as an example of an official who achieved promotion under the new meritorious Twelve Level Cap and Rank System implemented by Prince Shōtoku in 603. When Ono first appeared in the historical record and was appointed envoy to Sui, his rank was listed as Greater Propriety (5th rank), but he was later promoted to the top rank of Greater Virtue, largely due to his successful missions to the Sui court.

Ono no Imoko's family was notable for linguistics and scholarship, and the descendants of the family include Ono no Komachi, beautiful female poet; Ono no Takamura, poet and scholar; and Ono no Michikaze, calligrapher.

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Shush

Shush may refer to:
 * Shush, Iran, a city in Iran
 * Shush-e Olya, a village in Iran
 * Shush-e Sofla, a village in Iran
 * Susa, which is Shush in Persian
 * Shush County, Iran
 * Istgah-e Shush, a village and railway station in Iran
 * Shush Metro Station, a station on Tehran Metro Line 1
 * S.H.U.S.H., the fictional peace-keeping organization
 * Shush!, BBC radio sitcom

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yoav shapira

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Yoav shapira
Vanity. 00:57, 2005 Jun 8 (UTC) (Unsigned: User:Denni)
 * Delete - vanity. See discussion tab of the article. The creator has commented: "Never mind, I think I understand. I moved the contents to my user page. Thanks." --Chill Pill Bill 01:18, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Nonnotable. mikka (t) 02:43, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete vanity. JamesBurns 06:15, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy - article already userfied by creator (as per talk) --Doc (?) 08:54, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy deleted per request from user. David | Talk 11:29, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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User:Jay-W

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Railway Digest

Railway Digest is a monthly magazine, published in Sydney, covering contemporary railways of Australia.

Overview
The magazine's publisher is the Australian Railway Historical Society (ARHS), NSW Division. The first issue was published in March 1963 under the name New South Wales Digest and regular publication commenced with the May 1963 edition. It was renamed in January 1983. In January 1985 it changed paper size from SRA5 to A4.

Originally an enthusiast magazine mainly focusing on reporting day-to-day workings of the New South Wales Government Railways and it successors, it was produced by volunteers using a hand-operated duplicator at the home of one of its members. In May 1993, a paid editor was appointed and the magazine's focus gradually shifted to reporting news from across Australia. It has evolved into a professional full-colour production directed at the wider community and commercially distributed to newsagents throughout Australia.

The magazine content is mainly news, with some feature articles. The other six state and territory divisions of the ARHS publish their own news magazines, while Australian Railway History is the national magazine for well-researched historical features. , it retailed for $12 per issue and had printed and digital subscriptions.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anarchism (anti-state) and Anarchism (socialist)

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was Delete, 16 delete 5 keep 2 merge. Ingoolemo  talk  04:27, 2005 Jun 20 (UTC)

Anarchism (anti-state) and Anarchism (socialist)
Both are POV forks of Anarchism. Delete both. --cesarb 01:00, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Note: If Anarchism (anti-state) is deleted, Template:Anarchism should go to TFD. --cesarb 01:17, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Note: One editor wants to link the expression "POV forks" above to POV fork. Please do not edit other people's comments; put a comment below it (like this one). --cesarb 17:15, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Note: Another POV fork is at Anarchism (theory) (see Votes for deletion/Anarchism (theory)). --cesarb 22:09, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep both. RJII 01:16, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep both. Use the Neutral Disambiguation Page and let the Wiki user choose the meaning (s)he intends. Both Anarchism (anti-state) and Anarchism (socialist) are (more or less) NPOV wrt the definition of "anarchism" specified on the Neutral Disambiguation Page. --Hogeye 01:27, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete both. They are both redundant, and were only created by copying a previously existing article and changing a few words for the purpose of importing a particular POV.  Kev 01:57, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * One was created from the favored anarcho-socialist version, the other from the favored anarcho-capitalist version, in a recent edit war. If you want to avoid the definitional feud, then the Neutral Disambiguation Page seems the only way.  But if you like edit wars, and you think your tag team has more people...  --Hogeye 02:29, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Merge into Anarchism whatever NPOV factual information isn't there already. Most of it seems redundant. -R. fiend 03:21, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Although both pages, as well as various related pages, requiring a great deal of editing on several counts, and some need to be merged as well (this arrangement, for instance, vitiates the need for anarchism (disambiguation) and left anarchism), I do not believe that they need to be deleted outright. I vote keep for both. After the dust has settled, it will probably be advisable to merge the edit histories of one of these pages with that of anarchism, though. I disagree that these qualify as POV forks. The Wikipedia page on that topic says the following:
 * The controversial aspect of new forks can be reduced to three elements:

 * the necessity for a fork,
 * the new article's scope, title, or premise
 * the manner in which the article is written

 * The necessity for a fork is the obvious problem arising from different senses of the word anarchism. The scope and premise of these articles is quite reasonable given the definitions they are using. The manner the articles are written in is not always great, but that can be solved through editing. - Nat Krause 05:03, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete both and replace the anarchism page with what was there before. Anarchism has a long history of anti-state and anti-capitalism (whatever that is).  While there is a more recent arising of people calling themselves anarcho-capitalists, there is a page describing their beliefs.  A brief link to the other in each page should be sufficient.  These two pages repeat each other a lot, and repeat other pages on anarchist ideas.  Not only that they seem to be obviously POV towards minimal state capitalism (or anarcho-capitalism if you wish).--harrismw 06:00, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete, I'm sorry, this is just getting silly Saswann 13:49, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge both into Anarchism. If there must be anti-state and socialist distinctions, they should be contained in headings for each pov (or a "different points of view within anarchism" heading) within the article. Jasonglchu 14:38, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Account created after VfD began --cesarb 19:57, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep both. Qadir 17:14, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * User's first edit-R. fiend 17:21, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * And this absolutely discredits my thoughts and diminishes my ability of reading comprehension? Please. Qadir 18:40, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * It is customary in wikipedia to dismiss the votes of people that have made very very few contributions. Luis rib 18:44, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) No, it only means your vote will not count (however, your comments (had you added any) will). See the Guide to Votes for deletion. --cesarb 18:47, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Either solve the whole thing on Anarchism (currently a leftist propaganda page) by including some mention of anarcho-capitalism, or keep both in case the first solution is not viable. Maybe a vote on the future of Anarchism might be useful. Luis rib 18:26, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete both - forks. If there's something to salvage put it into Anarchism. Pavel Vozenilek 19:36, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge them back into Anarchism. Don't let the ancaps undermine the project for their own ends.  Policy is so clearly against the existence of these redundant POV forks that they should be deleted regardless of voting here.  — Chameleon 20:22, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Jasonglchu> "If there must be anti-state and socialist distinctions, they should be contained in headings for each pov (or a "different points of view within anarchism" heading) within the article."

Sounds good in theory, but experience shows that this leads to a permanent edit war. Many/most anarcho-socialist editors routinely and automatically delete references to anarcho-capitalism, and/or claim that anarchism is necessarily anti-capitalist. --Hogeye 23:10, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete both. POV forks. JamesBurns 07:05, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * please keep both - PK — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.68.65.130 (talk • contribs) 15:28, 9 Jun 2005

Please merge into one anarchism page. . . or should we have a separate page for every individuals take on the subject. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.135.157.237 (talk • contribs) 16:13, 9 Jun 2005

Question: According to Wiki policy, the vote is just for show and there is an arbiter who decides. Who is the arbiter,or arbiters? Are they neutral? When do they decide? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.178.26.242 (talk • contribs) 15:53, 9 Jun 2005 <-- a comment by anonymous #70.178.26.242

 * The answer to this question is that this vote is not just a show. An administrator will perform the actual deletion, but only if a large majority of the people voting vote to delete. Also, I'm not sure of the details, but I believe votes from people who just showed up to vote on this one issue are not normally counted. - Nat Krause 18:06, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Will the administrator/arbitor be unbiased? I mean, it's not going to be the same administrator that proposed deletion and voted, is it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hogeye (talk • contribs) 20:44, 9 Jun 2005

 * It could be me who will close the discussion, but it probably won't (and I can keep my biases in check; for instance, if this discussion were to be closed right now, it's a clear "no consensus" for both articles). --cesarb 20:59, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Delete the socialist entry. The government-and-censorship loving socialists need to keep their statist propaganda and censorship of genuine anti-statism off of the anarchism entry. Free-market anarchism has a much longer history and breadth of scholarship than does the statist "anarchism" of the socialists.--James Redford — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamiemichelle (talk • contribs) 16:02, 9 Jun 2005
 * User's first edit --cesarb 19:50, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Merge both into Anarchism. keep shared texts from both pages; keep factual info from either page, keep opinion from either page if shared among many ansocs AND ancaps. Add ancap section in middle of controversies without 'most important,' etc. language. OR add ancap section in a discussion of coerced, voluntary, and disputed hierarchies. OR ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacob Haller (talk • contribs) 16:43, 9 Jun 2005
 * User's second edit --cesarb 19:50, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Correct all incorrect references to property in socialist text to references to possession. Add discussions of Mutualism/Individualism (i.e. socialist market anarchism) to socialist text. Expand discussions of economic systems. - Jacob Haller - 8 Jun 2005 17:41 GMT — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacob Haller (talk • contribs) 16:43, 9 Jun 2005
 * User's second edit --cesarb 19:50, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete both. Anarchism IS anti-statism - thats it. The state claims a monopoly on force. If the state enforces capitalism, then ALL (AC and AS) anarchists would be against that. A government, on the other hand, could mean your home owners association or even a democratic vote. It doesn't necessarily imply state-like powers since the option of secession (sell your home and move or find another union) is always available, though possibly not preferable. So I don't think ANY anarchist could be against government as long as it's voluntary (non-state sponsored). The free market implies all transactions are handled voluntarily absent any coercion. State sponsored capitalism would not be a truly free market. It seems to me that a simple definition of Anarchism would simply be anti-statism. It goes without saying that an anarchist would be against state sponsored capitalism, socialism, feminism, or communism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.238.102.176 (talk • contribs) 18:11, 9 Jun 2005

 * Delete Anarchism (Socialist). (The "Socialist Anarchists" are nothing but pro-state Marxists. They clearly love the state when it supports Marxist restrictions on capitalism.) TexasDawg  15:09 EDT, 9 Jun 2005
 * Sorry, we can't delete an article be cause you think their theories aren't sound. All anarchistic societies are purely theoretical anyway. -R. fiend 19:54, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * His reason wasn't that their theories aren't sound. His reason was that they are pro-state, therefore not anarchists.  IMO he is wrong, and there are anti-statist versions of both socialism and capitalism.  He's simply the other side of the 'ancaps aren't really anarchists' coin.  I.e. Some intolerant ansocs can't conceive of stateless capitalism, and some intolerant ancaps can't conceive of stateless socialism.  Here are some good acid tests for socialist anarchists:  Do you think the State should outlaw sweat shops?  Do you support minimum wage laws?  If they answer "yes" to either,  they are not really anarchists.  --Hogeye 20:31, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, that's sort of the same thing, he thinks they aren't sounds anarchistic beliefs, which may or may not be true, but is irrelevent. Sort of like saying an article on National Socialism should be deleted because the ideas aren't socialist. Or Christian Science for not being scientific. -R. fiend 20:49, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I've had to think about this quite a bit. Emotionally, I feel like socking it to the socialists in order to support the "capitalist team"... but that wouldn't be encyclopedically sound, or NPOV.  Thus...  Delete "Anarchism (anti-state)"... though I actually agree with the content of this article more than the socialist one, it just doesn't make logical sense to have an article of this title; is there an "Anarchism (pro-state)" to contrast it to?  But Keep "Anarchism (socialist)"; that's a distinctive political movement that deserves a page to itself, just not sole ownership of the unqualified "Anarchism" article.  Then, move "Anarchism (disambiguation)" to "Anarchism", and rework it so its two most prominent links are to the two main political movements that are referred to as anarchist: "Anarchism (socialist)" and "Anarcho-capitalism".  And then try to clean out some of the other debris the edit-wars have left. *Dan* 23:28, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC)

 * DELETE BOTH - Follow the books written on the subject. And keep original Anarchism article. POV aplenty with the articles being used as platforms for evangelical Anarcho-capitalists and Nazis. -max rspct 23:38, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete both. These are POV forks aimed at circumventing the normal editing process. No more needs to be said. Grace Note 08:18, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete both and take some inspiration from how Libertarianism was solved through mediation, arbitration, discussion and debate. Libertarianism now has US-style Libertarianism as the main entry, but an excellent top-of-page redirect to a disambiguation article. Anarchism has had far too many edit wars which acts strongly against gentle participation and article quality.  I remember at least five major restructures which have shuffled content in and out of the main article, eventually resulting in the deletion of useful added content because original editors had abandoned the page.  Additionally, a great many people on wikipedia need to lose their US-centric bias which has informed the anarchism debates.  Wikipedia is an encyclopedia of the world, and in relation to society and history, of world society and world history.  Additionally, en.wikipedia is an encyclopedia written in international English, not exclusively in en-US. Fifelfoo 04:52, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete Both I completely agree with Fifelfoo. millerc 12:53, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I understand. Good idea!  Using the Libertarianism article as a model, our article should begin like this:

 * Anarchism

 * The term anarchism is also claimed by anti-capitalist anarchism, (also called anarcho-socialism). For other usages, see anarchism (disambiguation). This article deals with the standard dictionary meaning of "anarchism".

 * Does everyone agree to that? --Hogeye 18:21, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Is that some kind of joke? He was saying to take inspiration from the dispute resolution process which generated that article, not to take inspiration from the article itself! --cesarb 18:46, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * This is called 'talking to other parties involved.' Pure Wiki. I simply suggested an unbiased beginning to the article.  The standard dictionary definition is about as unbiased as you can get.  Do you agree that the suggested beginning is NPOV?   --Hogeye 19:52, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * How about: The term anarchism is also claimed by anarcho-capitalists. This article deals with the predominant political usage of the term anarchism within international English. ? Fifelfoo 03:31, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Thats fine with me, subject to verification by English dictionaries that "predominant political usage of the term" is anti-capitalist. If most dictionaries don't reqire anarchism to be anti-capitalist, then of course we should go with this:

 * Anarchism
 * The term anarchism is also claimed by anti-capitalist anarchism, (also called anarcho-socialism). For other usages, see anarchism (disambiguation). This article deals with the standard dictionary meaning of "anarchism".

 * Let's be totally objective and unbiased, take the top ten hits in a dictionary search, and settle the "predominant political usage" once and for all. Here you go... --Hogeye 04:20, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete both. This is stupid.  The anarchism page has been developed over a long time with a lot of effort. This sudden introduction of two redundant, free market fundamentalist POV versions is unacceptable. AW 11:16, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * DELETE BOTH There's no reason to make a false disctinction between these flavours of anarchism (except anarcho-capitalism, which is a made-up term that no-one seriously believes in). This isn't stupid, or mundane, or a time-waste, but it is divisive. Fragmenting anarchism and anarchists benefits whom...? An An 11:31, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Plenty of people believe in anarcho-capitalism, and plenty of libertarian minarchists respect anarcho-capitalism as a more extreme version of what they believe in. Many regard anarcho-capitalism as being a lot more intellectually consistent and logical than the socialist forms of anarchism. *Dan* 12:40, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete both. This is one of the more aggressive attempts at controlling language I've witnessed so far on Wikipedia. 80.203.115.12 15:57, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete both after merging useful information to main article. – Kaihsu 12:58, 2005 Jun 16 (UTC)

 * Keep both, bring in a horde of non-anarchist editors to help overhaul the anarchism pages. Sam Spade 14:35, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete Both the editors holding up consensus on the Anarchism page created these in order to avoid/ignore the conflict resolution process. --albamuth 13:41, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete both. Would prefer to see User:Fifelfoo dab note on the top of Anarchism. Christopher Parham (talk) 23:00, 2005 Jun 19 (UTC)

Commentary
What is at issue:
 * The definition of anarchism. Should it be defined according to its Greek roots, meaning "without political rule"?  Or should it be defined according to some 19th century proponents who happened to be anti-capitalist?

 * The Greek roots of anarchism means "without rulers", not "without political rule". Its an assumption that the -archy must refer  to state politics. millerc 12:50, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

What is not at issue:
 * The size or importance of anarcho-capitalism within the general movement.

What does this have to do with deleting Wiki articles? This is a little more complicated. Ideally, everyone could 'just get along' and create an unbiased article, with both definitions considered in a neutral manner. Practically, this approach hasn't worked well since too many people insist on their preferred definition by deleting any edits which are not in conformance. Most Wiki editors, regardless of which side of the definitional issue they support, agree to this:
 * There will be a permanent edit war if there is only one Anarchism article.

So here on this page, we are trying to decide whether to continue with the permanent edit war or 'split the question.' A vote to KEEP BOTH is saying that you think we should split the question, i.e. have a separate page for each definition. A vote for DELETE BOTH or MERGE is saying that you want to continue with a single hotly contested page, and continue the edit war. --Hogeye 20:08, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

--cesarb 21:01, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * False premise :Nothing says a permanent edit war will continue if the page is kept the same. It is possible that a way of presenting the article which is considered agreeable by both sides is found.
 * False premise :Deleting and merging do not necessarily mean it will continue being a single page; first because it's already been split between Anarchism and Anarcho-capitalism, and if a consensus is found to move Anarchism (disambiguation) to Anarchism you have a separate page for each definition.
 * Appeal to emotion :Most long-time editors have feelings against edit wars. You are trying to associate both delete and merge votes, to which you are opposed, with these negative feelings.
 * Appeal to motive :You are trying to guess the unstated motives of the voters. There are a lot of possible different motives (the motive of my delete both vote, for instance, is a belief that POV forks are wrong).
 * Well said, Cesar. — Chameleon 21:05, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Cesar> "Nothing says a permanent edit war will continue if the page is kept the same. It is possible that a way of presenting the article which is considered agreeable by both sides is found."

Yes, it's possible, but evidence from past interactions indicate otherwise. See the history page. Your reason does not remotely prove the premise false - only that it is possibly false.

 * But you made it sound as if it would never be possible. That's what I was objecting to. --cesarb 01:13, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Cesar> "Deleting and merging do not necessarily mean it will continue being a single page; first because it's already been split between Anarchism and Anarcho-capitalism..."

You miss the point here. The point is to have an unbiased Anarchism article (or articles.) The Anarcho-capitalism article is irrelevant to this, as is any other article about a particular school.

 * It's not irrelevant. Since the dispute (from what I understood) is between the theory presented at Anarcho-capitalism and the theory currently presented at Anarchism, one possible solution (and the one the Anarchism side seems to be favoring) is to keep the current split. Another (which your side seems to be favoring) is to keep the current split but make it more symmetrical (making Anarchism into a disambiguation page to the two theories). --cesarb 01:13, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Cesar>"... and if a consensus is found to move Anarchism (disambiguation) to Anarchism you have a separate page for each definition."

Here it sounds like you agree with my solution - to have a Neutral Ambiguation Page pointing to both definitions of anarchism - Anarchism (anti-state) and Anarchism (socialist) - each of which can be unbiased wrt that definition. I think it is legitimate to point out a likely consequence of deletion - an edit war. This is hardly a logical fallacy. --Hogeye 23:56, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Looks like you still didn't get my point, which is that, again from what I understood, the article currently at Anarchism and the one you created at Anarchism (socialist) are about the same thing, while the article currently at Anarcho-capitalism and the one you created at Anarchism (anti-state) are also about the same thing. The ones you created are redundant with the ones which already existed, and deleting them would only lose a pointless split. If (notice I was presenting an hypothesis) the disambiguation page gets moved over the current article (which I believe won't happen, basically because it happened before and in the end it got moved where it is right now), you would then have two separate pages for the two definitions, even if your creations are deleted, because they are redundant with articles which already exist. --cesarb 01:13, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Cesar> "From what I understood, the article currently at Anarchism and the one you created at Anarchism (socialist) are about the same thing, while the article currently at Anarcho-capitalism and the one you created at Anarchism (anti-state) are also about the same thing."

 * Aha. Here is where we are not on the same page.  In my understanding (and I've worked on the articles in question) the Anarchism (anti-state) and the Anarcho-capitalism articles are two totally separate articles.  The former is about anarchism in general. It covers all major schools, and the history of anarchism including the socialist schools.  The latter is about one particular school of anarchism.  Look at the articles and you can see for yourself that they cover different subject matter.

 * The dispute as I see it, is about whether a general article on anarchism should use the narrow partisan socialist definition of anarchism - even though it goes against every dictionary on the planet. (Slight exaggeration, perhaps, but I've never ever seen a dictionary specifying that anarchism is anti-capitalist.) --Hogeye 04:15, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

In my opinion there only needs to be one main anarchism page (with a disambiguation page as well). This would be a basically socialist one ('cause that is what anarchism is). However, there should be a link to the capitalist page in the first paragraph so that people can see it if that is what they are looking for.

It seems that many people are trying to claim that there is simply two types of anarchism, capitalist and socialists. This is quite wrong. That are a number of different sorts of anarchism, all of them socialist (unless you happen to think that anarchism does not mean no social hierarchy or rulers, but rather simply no state). However, many anarchist violently disagree whether other forms would even work or be anarchistic. --harrismw 01:44, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Lets say the state as we know it disappears tomorrow. If you have a centralized plan for how everyone SHOULD live and want that plan enforced, I'd question whether you're an anarchist. In my opinion, the AC crowd has no plan and would leave it up to individuals as to how they'd live. Their version would allow the AS crowd to live out their socialist dreams as they please. On the other hand, the AS crowd seems to have plans for everyone and wouldn't be tolerant of the AC. My hunch is they'd immediately talk about outlawing the AC lifestyle - and that would require state-like powers. Honestly, I question whether or not an AS is really an anarchist (anti-state). This could be why the ACs are so adamant - they don't see the AS as serious or credible in their anarchism, and not worthy of the title anarchist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.154.113.253 (talk • contribs) 03:41, 11 Jun 2005

 * Harris> "It seems that many people are trying to claim that there is simply two types of anarchism, capitalist and socialists."
 * No, no, no. The issue is not about that at all.  The issue is about whether the general Anarchism article should be about all types anarchism, or only anti-capitalist anarchism.

 * Perhaps you are an individualist anarchist, a la Benjamin Tucker. Suppose a bunch of Wiki editors got it in their heads to define anarchism as anti-individualist, wrote at the top of the page that all anarchists are anti-individualist, and deleted all individualist thought from the general article except a link labeled 'not-really-anarchist' pointing to the Individualist Anarchist article.  Would you find this satisfactory?  --Hogeye 04:16, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages.  Please do not edit this page .


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Natalia Oreiro

Natalia Marisa Oreiro Iglesias (born 19 May 1977) is a Uruguayan actress, singer, songwriter, model, television presenter and fashion designer. She began her career in telenovelas but since 2008 she has switched to work primarily in films. Oreiro has worked on social awareness shows and events for organizations like Greenpeace and UNICEF, the latter of which designated her as ambassador for Argentina and Uruguay in September 2011.

Her starring role as Milagros Espósito on Muñeca Brava (1998–99) gave her wide international fame, especially in Central and Eastern European, Central Asia and former Soviet countries, where her popularity remained even after the end of the telenovela, which has been broadcast on several occasions. She has also made several tours and special performances in these regions. The term "Oreiromania" was adopted to describe the frenzy of her fans. She has been included in Esquire magazine's "The Sexiest Woman Alive" list.

Her most recognized works in cinema are the films I'm Gilda (Gilda, no me arrepiento de este amor), Super Crazy (Re Loca), and the shortlisted for the Oscar Clandestine Childhood (Infancia Clandestina) and The German Doctor (Wakolda). As an actress she has participated in some of the most important film festivals, such as Cannes, San Sebastian, and Venice, winning many awards for her performances including 3 Silver Condor Awards and a Platino Award.

As a singer, she has sold over 10 million records worldwide and has been nominated for the MTV Video Music Awards and the Latin Grammy Awards among others. Likewise, she has also dabbled in television hosting, presenting reality series such as Got Talent Uruguay, La Voz Uruguay and ¿Quién es la Máscara? Argentina.

Early life
Natalia Oreiro was born on May 19, 1977 in Montevideo, to Carlos Florencio Oreiro Poggio and Mabel Cristina Iglesias Bourié. She is of Galician and Italian descent and has an older sister Adriana. In 1986 her family moved to Málaga, Spain, where they lived for two years, before returning to Uruguay. She attended elementary schools No. 30 and No. 40 in the Villa del Cerro neighborhood of Montevideo. She began studying drama at the age of eight, and auditioning for advertising campaigns at twelve. During her teens she appeared in more than 30 television commercials for such trademarks as Coca-Cola, Pepsi, and Johnson & Johnson.

1995–2000: Career beginnings
At the age of 16 she moved to Buenos Aires, Argentina where she began auditioning to unleash his ambition to be a star. In 1993 she won the children's contest El Show de Xuxa and became the "super paquita" (entertainer and assistant) of the program and representative of its presenter Xuxa in different Latin American countries. She worked as an MTV VJ and in 1995, she landed a minor role in El Nueve's soap opera Dulce Ana. In 1996 she was cast in El Nueve's telenovela 90-60-90 modelos as Lucía, and made her stage debut in the Leonard Gershe's Butterflies Are Free. In 1997 she obtained her first leading role, playing Valeria García Méndez de Salerno in the soap opera Ricos y Famosos.

She starred in the Argentinian film Un Argentino en New York (1998). After the movie, Natalia launched her first album, Natalia Oreiro and the single "Cambio Dolor" became the opening theme for her next acting project, the prime time show Muñeca Brava (1998–1999). For her performance in Muñeca Brava, Natalia was nominated twice (1998 and 1999) for a Martín Fierro Award as Best Actress in a leading role. In 1998, Natalia Oreiro recorded the theme "Paths of the Soul" next to Kennedy Choir and with more than 120 Argentine artists under the direction of Instrumental pianist and conductor Nazareno Andorno.

In January 2000, Natalia was named "Celebrity of the Century" by E! Entertainment Television. She became popular in Russia and Israel due to the success of Muñeca Brava in that country and was even invited to star in a Russian telenovela. In Israel, she performed many times on big stages and many television shows and won the Best Telenovela Actress Award and Best Theme Song "Cambio Dolor" at the "VIVA 2000" awards, 2002 Israeli Cable TV had a live competition for finding the Israeli Natalia Oreiro, and she was the guest of honor for the evening.

2000–2005: Tu Veneno and Turmalina
She pursued her musical career with the next album Tu Veneno and presentations at Gala de la Hispanidad, Gala de Murcia (both in Spain) and Festival de la Calle 8 in Miami. Her most important appearance was in the prestigious Latin television show Sábado Gigante Internacional, hosted by Don Francisco. Natalia's major achievement at this time was her music performance in Chile at Viña del Mar Festival 2000 for which she was crowned Queen of that event. The album scored a Latin Grammy nomination for Best Female Pop Vocal Album, but lost to Christina Aguilera's Mi Reflejo.

On 1 June 2002, her third studio album Turmalina was released by BMG Ariola Argentina. Turmalina was produced by Latin record producer Kike Santander and is a combination of styles such as rock, pop and 50's and 60's sounds. On this album, Oreiro wrote and composed the songs: "Alas De Libertad" which is inspired by kids she met some time ago in the city of Jujuy, Argentina; "Mar" tells the love story between a sailor and his girlfriend. Natalia also contributed to the lyrics of "Cayendo". "Que Digan Lo Que Quieran" is Turmalina ' s first single. The official Uruguayan 2002 World Cup song "Pasión Celeste" is recorded with Fredy Bessio. "Cuesta arriba, cuesta abajo" was the opening song of the soap opera Kachorra (Runaway Lady). Kachorra ended with a rating lower than 20 points in Argentina.

In March 2003 she started filming her second film Cleopatra together with Norma Aleandro, Leonardo Sbaraglia and Héctor Alterio, under the direction of Eduardo Mignogna, a co-production with Spain. In the middle of 2003, she started a tour for Eastern Europe and Latin America. On 1 March 2004 she started filming El Deseo.

2006–2014: Sos mi vida, switch to cinema and other works
In 2006 she joined as the female boxer, Esperanza Munoz, the cast of the telenovela Sos mi vida along with her Muñeca Brava co-star Facundo Arana. It was directed by Rodolfo Antúnez and Jorge Bechara and broadcast by Canal 13. It began broadcasting on 16 January 2006 and ended 9 January 2007. During its broadcast averaged 26.9 points overall rating, and ended as the most watched fictional Argentine television program ever, until it was displaced by the 2009, telenovela Valientes. It was written by Ernesto Korovsky and Sebastian Parrotta, and won four Martín Fierro Awards and three Clarín Awards.

On 30 April 2008, Oreiro starred in Amanda O which was an internet television series in Argentina and produced by Dori Media Group. It was the first soap opera ever made for the internet, and was seen by 550,000 users over Novebox.com, from Argentina, Uruguay and Paraguay during its first season and beginning of the second. Later in 2008 she co-starred in the film Las vidas posibles, along with Germán Palacios and Ana Celentano and got nominated for a Silver Condor for Best Supporting Actress.

In 2009 she starred with Diego Peretti in Música en espera. The film premiered in Buenos Aires in March 2009 and sold 235,000 tickets. During the same year, she visited several international film festivals to present the film Francia directed by Adrián Caetano, including the San Sebastian Film Festival among others.

In 2010 she starred in the film Miss Tacuarembó, a musical comedy, which was co-produced by Uruguay, Argentina and Spain. For her performance, she received the Iris award for Best Actress. Oreiro also participated in the soundtrack of the film, performing all the songs. During the same year, she presented Se dice de mí, a program that sought to raise awareness about women's rights.

During the first half of 2011, she starred with Daniel Hendler in My First Wedding, a film comedy directed by Ariel Winograd.

In 2012 she started in Lynch, a series created in Colombia and broadcast throughout Latin America. The same year the film Clandestine Childhood, which takes place during Argentina's last military dictatorship, premiered in Argentina. The film was selected to compete for a nomination in the Best Foreign Film category at the 2013 Oscar Awards. For her work in this film Oreiro won the Silver Condor Award and the Argentine Academy of Cinematography Arts and Sciences Award for Best Actress. At the end of 2012 she returned on stage and performed in the Superdiscoteca of the 90s Festival, which took place in St. Petersburg, Russia.

During 2013, she starred in the telenovela Solamente vos, which marked her return to television after a 7 year hiatus. For her performance in the series she won awards for Best Comedy Actress in the Tato Awards and Martín Fierro awards. Her next leading role was in the film The German Doctor, which was shot during 2012 in the city of Bariloche, and premiered in September 2013. This film, became the second in Oreiro's career to be shortlisted by the Academy of Arts and Sciences of Argentina to compete for a nomination in the Oscar Awards at the category for Best Foreign Film. She also won awards and nominations for Best Actress in the Condor de Plata awards, Sur awards, and the Unasur Festival. The film was nominated for a Goya Award and presented at several international film festivals.

2014–2017: Nasha Natasha tour, Entre caníbales and I'm Gilda
At the end of 2013 she resumed her musical career performing a tour in Eastern Europe called Nasha Natasha Tour Hits (lit. Our Natasha in Russian, from the Russian diminutive form of Natalia). She also released a new song and video clip, a cover of Gloria Trevi's song "Todos me miraran". With the "Nasha Natasha Tour 2014 ", she toured a total of 19 Russian cities making it a total of 34 shows. One of the most important was the one she held at the Olympic Sports Hall in Moscow, which broke a record, as it gathered more than 60 thousand people. She later recorded a new Russian version of "Me muero de amor" («Я умираю от любви»), with a video clip that starred Facundo Arana.

In 2015 she returned to television starring in the dramatic series Entre caníbales, along with Benjamín Vicuña and Joaquín Furriel, and under the direction of Juan José Campanella. The series was broadcast by the Telefe network for Argentina, and by Fox Life for the rest of the Latin American market.

In 2016 she starred in I'm Gilda reaching 953,120 in Argentina's box office, a film based on the life of the Argentinian singer, Gilda, who died in a car accident in September 1996. The soundtrack of the film became the fourth album in her musical career. In December 2016 she presented the first single of the album, the song Corazón Valiente in collaboration with Ruben Rada. The film was presented at several festivals such as the Miami International Film Festival in 2017 and the Malaga Film Festival the same year, and for her performance she won several awards: Sur Award (2016), Audience Platinum for Best Actress (2017) and Condor Award (2017). She has been at the 2016 Platinum Awards as a host and singing "Garota de Ipanema" during the presentation.

2017-2019: Return to the stage, Super Crazy and FIFA World Cup
Her return to music, with the soundtrack of the I'm Gilda film, gave her the opportunity to return to the stage and at the beginning of 2017 she sang at several festivals in Argentina (such as Lincoln, Villa María and Mar del Plata, among others). In Madrid she repeated her role as host of the 2017 Platino Awards (winner of the Best Actress award from the audience) and the same year she received a Platinum Iris for her career at the 22nd Iris Uruguay Awards. During 2018, the movie Super Crazy was premiered, which reached 759,546 spectators in Argentina's box office, and she released two songs for the FIFA World Cup held in Russia ("United By Love" was included in the official album of the 2018 FIFA World Cup and the song "Mi Pobedim"). She attended the Kids Choice Awards 2018 (winner of a Lifetime Achievement Award) and the Gramado Festival in Brazil (winner of Crystal Kikito ). In 2019, her tour called the "Unforgettable Tour" was launched with 14 concerts in various cities of Russia, Belarus, Moldova and Armenia. A few months later she returned to Russia to attend the New Wave Festival in Sochi to sing with Roberto Kel Torres the theme Acapulco. In November 2019, the Fort Lauderdale International Film Festival in the United States awarded her with the Career Achievement Award for her career. In Argentina she appeared in the films "La Noche Mágica" (Bad Christmas) (Gaston Portal's first film) with Diego Peretti and "Las Rojas" (The Broken Land) with Mercedes Moran. The turn of the year found her in Poland singing some of her greatest hits in front of 120,000 spectators.

2020–present: Got Talent, La Voz, Evita and Yosi, the Regretful Spy
At the beginning of 2020, she filmed some scenes for the film Hoy Se Arregla El Mundo by Ariel Winogrand with Leonardo Sbaraglia. During the year she hosted Got Talent Uruguay, which was renewed for a second season broadcast in 2021, and a third broadcast in 2022. On 6 August 2020, Netflix premiered Nasha Natasha worldwide. The documentary directed by Martín Sastre, refers to her special bond with Russia, while revealing aspects of her private life that were unknown until then. The documentary reached the top positions in Uruguay, Argentina and several European countries and also reached the 30th position globally.

In 2021, she filmed the first season of the Amazon Prime Video series Yosi, the Regretful Spy, which premiered on 29 April 2022, and follows a spy who infiltrates a Jewish community to gather information that was used to carry out the AMIA bombing. On 17 February 2022, it was officially announced that she would be the host of La Voz, the Uruguayan version of The Voice of Holland. That year the western film Las Rojas was also released, in which she stars alongside Mercedes Morán, and the Star+ series Santa Evita also premiered, in which Oreiro plays Eva Perón.

In July 2023, she continued to host the second season of La Voz, in addition to starring in the premiere of the romantic comedy film Casi muerta, in which she plays a woman who finds out she has a terminal illness.

Personal life
In 2001, Oreiro began a relationship with Argentine singer and musician Ricardo Mollo, best known for his career as member of the rock bands Sumo and Divididos. They secretly married later that year, on 31 December. On 26 January 2012, in a clinic in Buenos Aires, Oreiro gave birth to a boy named Merlín Atahualpa Mollo Oreiro. She and her son received Russian citizenship on 25 October 2021.

She has declared herself as a socialist.

Discography

 * Natalia Oreiro (1998)
 * Tu Veneno (2000)
 * Turmalina (2002)
 * Gilda, no me arrepiento de este amor (2016)

Awards

 * 2017 Iris Uruguay Awards: Platinum Iris Award
 * 2015 Martín Fierro award: Best Actress for Drama Series (for Entre caníbales)
 * 2014 Argentinean Film Critics Association Awards as Best Actress for "Wakolda"
 * 2013 Argentine Academy of Cinematography Arts and Sciences Awards as Best Actress for "Wakolda"
 * 2013 Martín Fierro Awards: Best Lead Actress For a Comedy Series (for Solamente Vos)
 * 2013 Tato award as Best Lead Actress in a Comedy Series, for Solamente vos
 * 2013 Argentinean Film Critics Association Awards as Best Actress for "Infancia clandestina"
 * 2012 Argentine Academy of Cinematography Arts and Sciences Awards as Best Actress for "Infancia clandestina"
 * 2006 Martín Fierro Award as Best Lead Actress in a Comedy Series for "Sos mi vida"
 * 2000 VIVA's (The Israeli telenovellas channel) "VIVA 2000" Award for Best Actress and Best Theme Song in Muñeca Brava

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Talk:List of Jurassic Park water rides

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Simple. This seems too personal and not encyclopedic. --michael180 01:06, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * Fixed it a bit awhile ago. --michael180 14:52, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

Fixed several broken Wikipedia links in the article. Juansmith 01:45, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

More pictures
Its a ride; more pictures needed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.169.178.49 (talk) 14:47, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

 * The park is open 7 days a week, maybe you could go there and get us some! Go ahead, I'll wait here until you come back. -- blm07 02:30, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm too lazy to edit the article, but I distinctly remember that the ride I took in Hollywood earlier this year no longer has the Jeep or the Tyrannosaurus (he appears before the splashdown now to roar at the passengers - before, it was similar to the Orlando ride, where he was wrecking pipes and roaring throughout). 75.51.147.40 (talk) 07:57, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't know where we can discuss the content of the article so I will do it there :

1/ The ride has changed since it's release, you get LESS water now. You used to get soaked, it's no longer the case.

2/ There is still the dropping car and the T-rex at the end. Either you where one of the first boats of the day, and some stuff wasn't started off yet, or the attractions was undergoing some maintenance that didn't prevent the park to open it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.194.132.70 (talk) 11:45, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Changes made to the ride
The boats have been altered since the release of Jurassic Park the ride in hollywood studios.

There use to have some kinda pipes at their end, that grabbed water to throw it in the air (see the two huge colums of water on first article pictures). Those things have been removed (see other picture in the article : no more colums of water).

Dilophosaurus have been changed throughout time in the ride. They used to be in the environmental building, then have been moved outside the ride in the tram tour, then taken back in the ride. We might need to have some insight from people working there to figure out how it was changed. But it DID change, for sure.

There are 2 raptors at the end of the ride, right before the drop. I had never seen them before my last visit. But since the place is very dark, it's possible I never saw them because it was too dark. They stand before the final trex, on the right hand side (after the Trex attack from the ceiling).

The "command center" (with universal studios castmembers) features several dinosaurs action figures. they also have incredible hulk standing by their window (very funny). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.194.132.70 (talk) 11:55, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Missing section
Shouldn't we also describe the queue and Pre-show as well in the ride through section. We have done that for every attraction except this one. trainfan01 —Preceding undated comment added 13:34, 12 May 2010 (UTC).

I have added a "Queue and Pre-show" title to the "Ride-Through" section and have given space for typing it in. I am not near a Universal Park to describe this, so feel free to type in the description for the queue and pre-show. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trainfan01 (talk • contribs) 02:38, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Well what's going on. How come has there not been any typing in on the queue and pre show at all? trainfan01 —Preceding undated comment added 02:33, 18 May 2010 (UTC).

One more?
From the Hollywood section:

"Additionally, after the final drop, one more Dilophosaurus sprays guests with water just before the raft returns to the station."

Is this even right? It seems kind of a wierd way to have this occur after the main climax of the ride. If no one can come up with any supporting proof about this by June 10 it will be deleted. trainfan01 —Preceding undated comment added 03:37, 4 June 2010 (UTC).

No proof has been given at all so I have deleted it. trainfan01 —Preceding undated comment added 04:15, 13 June 2010 (UTC).

Cleanup
This article features information about three different rides with two different names (Jurassic Park: The Ride and Jurassic Park River Adventure). This article should be split up into appropriate articles with information only relating to that particular installation. The Template:Infobox water ride should be used on all articles.
 * Jurassic Park: The Ride (Universal Studios Hollywood) for the Universal Studios Hollywood attraction.
 * Jurassic Park River Adventure (Islands of Adventure) for the Islands of Adventure attraction.
 * Jurassic Park: The Ride (Universal Studios Japan) for the Universal Studios Japan attraction.

Information about the ride and its queue should be specific to that installation only. This page should become a disambiguation page and all links should be updated. At the moment the article is very hard to follow. The Jurassic Park Rapids Adventure sections have already been split into Singapore and Dubailand pages. Movieworld (talk) 07:27, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

 * UPDATE: I have moved the pages and split the information. The only information that was removed was the trivia section available for viewing and/or replacement in the appropriate articles.

Trivia

 * Most of the designers, architects and engineers who worked on the attraction have been immortalized throughout the ride in the form of their three initials followed by their birth date stenciled in various places (i.e. DVP101257). Most can be found on pipe runs.
 * "Dino" Don Lessem, fresh from the Jurassic Park film as its authenticator worked closely with Universal Creative staff to ensure accuracy of the attractions dinosaurs.
 * Exterior scenes shot for the attraction pre-show video were filmed on location at the Los Angeles Arboretum and the Franklin Canyon Reservoir, which is the same location where the opening of The Andy Griffith Show was shot.
 * During the pre-show video when John Hammond is addressing guests, Steven Spielberg makes a quick cameo appearance as he walks through the set behind Hammond, looking upwards.
 * The Jurassic Park Visitors Center that guests see in the pre-show video is the actual set from the motion picture. The exterior set was built on location in Hawaii, while an interior set was constructed on Soundstage 12 at Universal Studios, Hollywood. Filming for the attraction's pre-show video was completed the day after Spielberg wrapped production on the film.
 * Dr. Margaret Engel (who is featured in the ride's pre-show video) is an homage to Neil Engel, the attraction's producer.
 * There are 1.5 million gallons of water used for the ride.
 * The ride culminates in an eighty five foot (twenty five meter) drop at a fifty one degree angle, sending the rafts to speeds in excess of fifty miles per hour (eighty kilometers per hour).
 * A total of sixteen animatronic dinosaurs populate the attraction.
 * The main show building in which the drop is housed, which is known as the Environmental Systems Building, is thirteen stories tall.
 * The Ultrasaur’s height is thirty five feet.
 * The ride's narration is provided by the late Richard Kiley; the very person who provided narration for the Jeep Tour in the Jurassic Park film.
 * A maximum of thirteen 25-passenger rafts, dispatched every thirty five seconds, carry guests through the attraction, making for a total theoretical hourly ride capacity of 2,000 people per hour.
 * The total ride time is six minutes and twenty four seconds.
 * The total flume length is approximately 1,900 feet (580 meters).
 * There are twelve separate show scenes featured on the ride.
 * The attraction covers six acres (2.4 hectares) of land and contains 353 palm trees of eleven species, 300 bamboo plants of six varieties, and 7,441 shrubs, plants, and flowers of seventy six species.
 * The ride is mentioned in the original film. During the scene in which all of the characters are eating lunch, John Hammond mentions a river rafting section of the park and one of the projectors shows a snapshot of the opening scene of the ride with the Ultrasaur. The ride was actually being built while the film was in pre-production.

The Project Team credited with bringing this classic attraction to life is as follows:

 * Project Director - David Pushkin
 * Project Manager - David Wilson
 * Project Coordinator - Michael McGuire
 * Show Producer - Neil Engel
 * Project Engineer - Gene Leisure
 * Ride Manager - David Mispagel
 * Technical Manager - John Canavan
 * Construction Manager - Blaine Rhea
 * Project Architect - Craig Doyle

Movieworld (talk) 08:33, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

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Russian Trotter

The Russian Trotter is a breed of trotting horse from the Russian Federation. It originated from cross-breeding of native Orlov Trotter horses with imported American Standardbred stock from about 1890; by about 1950 the Russian Trotter breed was considered established, although some cross-breeding with American stallions continued. A stud-book was established in 1927; in 1989 it ran to 23 volumes.

The Russian Trotter is widely distributed, from the Baltic to Siberia. In 1989 there were approximately 290,000 in the USSR, of which some 27,000 were considered purebred.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Doroquez

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was DELETE. Golbez 08:50, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

Michael Doroquez
Middle school teacher. Non-notable.--Nabla 01:07, 2005 Jun 8 (UTC)
 * Delete - Not notable. Just a middle school teacher. --Chill Pill Bill 01:15, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, because a line must be drawn somewhere, and a voice must be raised to the teeming hordes who seek to cross this line, and that voice must say, "You shall not pass!!!" -- BD2412 talk 01:42, 2005 Jun 8 (UTC)
 * Comment - I guess the teeming hordes weren't enough aware of the line crossed. The stub would have been expanded to an article of reasonable length that meant something to hundreds of people.  But if you guys still feel that violates the deletion policy's "Wikipedia is not a general knowledge base" clause, it's ultimately your call.  The one favor I ask is that you let the redlinks stand, so that if the subject becomes article-worthy, the name will still be available.  Article author, wikinick 03:28, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry if I came across harshly there, but there are over 6 billion people on the planet, and if we add all those who have come and gone, we probably top 9 billion. If Wikipedia had an article on every person, it would be an unmanageable, unsearchable mess - so we draw notability lines that limit us to perhaps a few dozen thousands of persons. Sounds like a lot, but it's really a tiny proportion of the whole. Also, what redlinks? Nothing links here except the redirect that you made from "Mr. D" - which is hardly an appropriate redirect, because there's very little chance the average user typing in Mr. D will expect this result. -- BD2412 talk 03:50, 2005 Jun 8 (UTC)
 * Comment – I agree that 9 billion biographical stubs would be a mess, but perhaps you'll allow me to point out that Wikipedia's a still just a six-thousandth of that size. And certainly not every article has meaning to dozens of thousands of people.  For example, lots of the data-generated articles for small municipalities wouldn't qualify.  Take Maza, North Dakota.  Home to five people.  Or an article about Astley Cooper Key, lifted from the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica and edited twice, once minor.  Dozens of thousands?  Doesn't seem like it.  Now, I'm not saying that my article fits your notability criteria, I know it doesn't.  But I had always felt that one of the coolest things about Wikipedia was that it really seemed like what ever subject I wanted to learn about, no matter how obscure, there might be an entry for it.  Maybe that's not feasible, but even impossible ideals can be worth pursuing.  About the redlinks, I guess I didn't use the term correctly.  All I meant was to ask for the article name to be left available, even if the current article is deleted.  That way, if the subject ever does reach his notability quota, he can still have an article.  As for the redirect, its appropriateness I won't contest, but remember there wouldn't be many users typing in "Mr. D" at all.  It's a common nickname of the subject, and not used anywhere else on the site, so I created the redirect without realizing the rigid standards under which one may create new pages. That's just stating my reasoning; I'm not saying it was valid.  Last but not least, don't worry about seeming harsh.  According to the Guide to VFD, the people frequenting it "may seem terse, gruff, and abrupt, but that is not actually the case."  wikinick 10:08, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment - Mr. Key was First Sea Lord - being in charge of the Royal Navy is an inherent claim to notability. Being a middle school teacher isn't. --FCYTravis 19:39, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, do not leave a redlink, as Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Wikipedia is not Google, it's an encyclopedia, therefore don't expect it to contain everything - some selection is required. Average Earthman 06:08, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete non notable. JamesBurns 06:16, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment, I really have to ask: If every school that has ever existed is notable, why isn't ever teacher who has ever existed?  RickK 07:29, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * Excellent question. Perhaps you'd be willing to explain exactly what would be wrong with a short piece about every teacher who has ever existed? Perhaps you could focus on the harm it would do? Don't work yourself up over it, Rick. Purely rhetorical questions. Grace Note 05:46, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * That beats me too, RickK. Example, this stub: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinkaid_School.  It links to Houston and Texas and nothing else. wikinick 10:08, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmmm so if every village deserves an article in wikipedia, so does every villageperson... never thought of it that way. Kappa 23:58, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Please delete. Wikipedia is not a census. Jasonglchu 14:40, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is not a census.  — Chameleon 20:15, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and allow for organic expansion. If all schools are worth keeping, then so are all teachers. --Carnildo 23:27, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * All schools are not worth keeping, and neither are all teachers. jglc | t | c 23:37, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about Carnildo, he's just making a POINT. Kappa 23:56, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. He is a grade 6/7 Math teacher. Nothing else can be verified. Double Blue  (Talk) 23:51, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete I really wanted to do a speedy on this one, but could not see a valid reason. If this article is deleted,  also Delete the redirect for Mr. D. Vegaswikian 04:53, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Should this article be deleted, the redirect at Mr. D will be a speedy as it redirects to a non-existent article. Double Blue  (Talk) 20:56, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I liked many of my teachers too, but I would not be silly enough to write articles about them in an encyclopedia. Indrian 03:36, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree that the article was inappropriate. But then, kindly discuss the article, and not how silly the author may have been. wikinick 05:10, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages.  Please do not edit this page .


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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lord Voltino

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Lord Voltino
Non-verifiable fan fiction. No substantial Google hits. Nufy8 01:08, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - no proof of existance. --Chill Pill Bill 01:16, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per what everyone else has said. -CunningLinguist 01:18, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete unless some fragment of existence can be ascertained. Denni ☯ 02:10, 2005 Jun 8 (UTC)
 * Delete Same as above.--Kross 11:43, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - for my reasoning see Votes for deletion/Exaro Taas. -- Lochaber 14:03, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete fanfic. Jasonglchu 14:38, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. — Chameleon 20:15, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Clearly a fake or fanfic.--M412k 00:15, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Since when did encyclopedias document every character and fanfictional character from every movie and video game?--Major.T 00:22, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages.  Please do not edit this page .


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Talk:Stoppie

Motorcycling also?
Isn't there a motorcylists version of this trick?--Knife Knut 01:08, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Endo
This article seems to claims that the stoppie and the endo are the same, while endo (cycling) says they are different, but doesn't say how. Pissant 00:08, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

i always thought that an endo was the rider bailing over the handlebars, while the stoppie was riding the front wheel.Motorbyclist 10:03, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Same here. I've always been under the impression that a Endo was a "failed" stoppie where you flip your bike end-over-end thus the name 'End-o.' Maybe we need a citation needed for this? RaggTopp (talk) 12:55, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

It would definitely be good to get some clarity on the difference, if there is any, and some etymology of known. jezmck (talk) 19:30, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Consistency Problem: Rear Brake
The article states that the rear brake is not used, which appears to conflict with the graph's indication that it is used. DavidGC 10:52, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

 * The graph clearly shows the rear brake being applied only at the end of the maneuver. It is not necessary. -AndrewDressel (talk) 15:24, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Applying the rear brake when the wheel is spinning would contribute to the forward pitching moment. I'm not sure if it's significant. It could also be a reflex action from the rider. --90.231.35.118 (talk) 19:02, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Image and graph
In the image the motorbike is facing in the opposite direction to the sequence in the stills. Someone who can manipulate images needs to reverse this part of the image so that just as the sequence goes left to right, the bike appears to travel that way. Lumos3 11:54, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Managed to do this myself. Lumos3 12:28, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

that graph is a mess, and the images, while effective could be of higher qualityMotorbyclist 10:04, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

 * The graph looks like an elementary school art project. It should be removed, and the entire article needs cleaning up.   Exploding Boy 17:02, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Friction
The description of friction is incorrect. Friction does *not* increase as you put more weight on the front tire. I'm updating this section along with a reference to http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4533.

 * The entire topic of friction appears to have been removed, along with the bogus forum reference. -AndrewDressel (talk) 15:25, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Safety warning
I feel very strongly that the warning of the unsafe nature of an Endo has no place here. This encyclopaedia covers a raft of risky activities, be they rock climbing and mountaineering, cycling, or whatever, and cannot comment authoritatively on the safety of them all. Further, there is a serious risk of liability if we create a perception that dangerous activities are listed as such. Any dangerous activity not so listed could then open WP up to legal action. In short, we should not presume to advise anybody on what they should or should not be doing. Article edited accordingly. --Che Gannarelli (talk) 23:14, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

G forces and de-acceleration
Is there any calculations of the G forces and de-acceleration? My own roughly calculations for about 10-15 years back came to a conclusion that the force/de-acceleration is something like 2-3G for a bike. I think that a motorcycle gives more G:s because of its weight. Can this be verified with reliable source? --Kslotte (talk) 14:45, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * According to Bicycle_and_motorcycle_dynamics :

For an upright bicycle on dry asphalt with excellent brakes, pitching will probably be the limiting factor. The combined center of mass of a typical upright bicycle and rider will be about 60 cm (23.6 in) back from the front wheel contact patch and 120 cm (47.2 in) above, allowing a maximum deceleration of 0.5 g (4.9 m/s² or 16 ft/s²).[10] If the rider modulates the brakes properly, however, pitching can be avoided. If the rider moves his weight back and down, even larger decelerations are possible.
 * The last sentence is interesting. For example with mountain bikes the rider moves his weight back and down when breaking. But with a motorcycle the rider can only move back, not down. --Kslotte (talk) 14:59, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Ridiculous
This has to be the most stupid thing you can do on a motorcycle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.130.46 (talk) 03:27, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

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Menlo Park City School District

The Menlo Park City School District is a public school district in the San Francisco Bay Area, primarily serving the communities of Menlo Park and Atherton. Through the Tinsley Voluntary Transfer Program the district allows 24 students from Ravenswood City School District to attend MPCSD schools.

Middle school

 * Hillview Middle School (PTO Website, District School Website)

Elementary schools

 * Oak Knoll School (K–5)
 * Laurel School (K–5) (Website)
 * Encinal School (K–5) (Website)

title: Menlo Park City School District


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Talk:Kyong Won-ha

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FWIW, "Kyong Wonha" gets zero google hits, but "Kyong Won-ha" gets some. Niteowlneils 03:15, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Accurate?
This article is unsourced, and I am dubious about it's accuracy. As well as few google hits, some of the info raises doubts, eg:
 * "According to a South Korean report, Kyong Won-ha, a former US nuclear engineer at Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico and a former professor at McGill University in Canada, reportedly gave North Korea design information on a Canadian heavy-water research reactor. This data may have been helpful in constructing the 5MW reactor. Other reports, however, say that the reactor may be based on a French reactor design, which is well suited for plutonium production." (Center for Nonproliferation Studies)

The NK reactors are in fact based on the UK/French GCR designs, not the Canadian heavy-water reactors, so Kyong Won-ha's direct knowledge was not used. Rwendland 12:09, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

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