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Omaha Beef

The Omaha Beef are a professional indoor football team based in Omaha, Nebraska. The Beef plays their home games at Liberty First Credit Union Arena in nearby Ralston. The Beef competes in the National Arena League (NAL). The Beef has been a member of several leagues, including being a charter member of Champions Indoor Football (CIF).

Early years (2000–2008)
Omaha originally played in the Indoor Professional Football League (IPFL) in 2000 and 2001 as an expansion team. The Beef made the playoffs their first and second seasons, advancing to the 2001 IPFL Championship.

The IPFL folded after the 2001 season and the Beef moved to the National Indoor Football League (NIFL) on October 10, 2001. After three seasons in the NIFL, the Beef joined the United Indoor Football (UIF) in 2005 as a charter member.

Indoor Football League and organizational instability (2008–2012)
In 2008, the UIF merged with the Intense Football League to create the Indoor Football League (IFL). From 2009 to 2011, the organization went through several general manager and head coaching changes, but still finished near the top of the league. In 2009, James Kerwin was head coach of the Beef and led the team to a 12–2 record and to the second round of the IFL playoffs. The Beef continued their consecutive playoff qualification streak, which ended after 14 years across five leagues when the Beef failed to qualify for the playoffs in 2014.

The organization entered their thirteenth year of existence and fourth year as a member of the IFL in 2012. Despite constant expansion and contraction changes within the league, the Beef were a constant and competitive member. During the 2012 season, ownership of the team was then taken over by the league. The head coach was fired during season and several other changes were made to cut costs. Despite this, Andy Yost and James Kerwin took over as co-head coaches. The Beef finished in a tie for the last conference spot in the playoffs but did not qualify because of a lower point differential, resulting in the end of a 12-year playoff appearance streak.

Cornhusker Beef, Inc. ownership (2012–2018)
In December 2012, the Omaha Beef were bought by Cornhusker Beef, Inc. On December 6, 2012, the Beef announced the new ownership group composing of Rich Tokhiem, Gerard Daly, and Jim Tokhiem. In December 2012, the Omaha Beef was accepted by the Champions Professional Indoor Football League (CPIFL) to begin play in March 2013.

In their first season in the CPIFL, the Beef hired Andy Yost as head coach, who had finished the previous season as interim co-head coach. Yost led the Beef to a 10–2 record and qualified for the playoffs, as they finished second, in a three-way tie (Sioux City (1), Wichita (3)) in the league. The Beef fell to Wichita 31–25.

After leading the team to the playoffs in 2013, Yost moved from head coach to quarterback coach for the 2014 season. The Beef hired Steve Heimann as head coach and he coached the Beef to a win in their 2014 exhibition game. However, he then resigned before coaching a regular season game. The Beef promoted defensive coordinator Dan Thurin to head coach. The Beef finished with a record of 4–8, which was an all-time franchise worst at that time.

On January 7, 2015, the Beef announced that former Cornhusker and NFL veteran Cory Ross would be the head coach for the 2015 season. Ross previously coached the Lincoln Haymakers of the CPIFL, also owned by Beef owner Rich Tokhiem, which ceased operations after the 2014 season.

In 2015 season, the Beef started playing in Champions Indoor Football (CIF), created by the merger of the CPIFL with the Lone Star Football League (LSFL).

Omaha opened 2015 with their worst start in franchise history at 0–5. On April 1, defensive coordinator Demetrius Ross opined that the Beef's poor start was in part due to preparations beginning in January instead of October and that the coaches did not get to select the players that they wanted. The Beef finished the 2015 season with a record of 1–11, their worst record in franchise history. The Beef also finished in ninth place in the nine-team CIF, marking the first time the Beef ever finished last in a league. In their 11 losses, the Beef lost by an average of 25.0 points per game, were last in the league in points with given up at 672 (56.0/game), points scored at 395 (32.9/game), and a turnover differential of –16.

In 2016, the Omaha Beef took advantage of their schedule to improve their record to 7–5. Omaha played six of their 12 games against first year franchises (Chicago Eagles and Salina Liberty) in which the Beef recorded five of their seven wins. Omaha only had one win over a team with a winning record when they played (Wichita Force 4–1 on April 16) and only played three games all season against teams that came into the contest with a winning record. In the Beef's seven wins, the opponent's combined 2016 records were 29–54. Despite playoff expansion for the CIF in 2016, where half of all teams in the league qualified for the playoffs, the Beef failed to make the playoffs for the third year in a row, the longest playoff drought in franchise history.

The 2017 season saw the team return to the playoffs. The Beef took advantage of an again increased playoff field, where the top four of seven division teams qualified for the playoffs, a schedule with five of 12 games against first-year expansion teams and a division with three, first-year expansion teams, to qualify for the 2017 playoffs. Omaha was outscored by their opponents during the regular season and only played four games against teams with winning records at the time of the game, winning only one (Bloomington on March 18) and dropping three (Sioux City on March 31, Sioux City on May 27, and Dallas on June 3). Omaha's seven regular season wins came against teams with a combined 2017 record of 25–59. The Beef's wins during the 2016 and 2017 seasons came against teams with a combined 54–113 record. Omaha qualified as the North Division representative for the CIF Championship game. The South division saw six of the seven teams post winning regular season records as the Texas Revolution came out of the tougher division for the Champions Bowl III bid. Texas controlled most of the championship game, never trailing. The Revolution played conservatively in the fourth quarter, with a 30-point lead to defeat the Beef 59–49 and claim the league title.

Prior to the 2018 season, and for the second time under this ownership, after qualifying for the playoffs, the head coach left the position before the following season. On August 16, 2017, head coach Cory Ross was announced as the head coach for the CIF expansion Quad City Steamwheelers. Victor Mann was named head coach, who had led the Texas Revolution to the league championship in 2017. Despite being a centerpiece in the Beef's off-season marketing campaign, days before the opening of the 2018 season, the Omaha Beef announced that Mike Bonner would be head coach for the upcoming season with Mann never coaching a game for the Beef. Four games into the 2018 season, though a public announcement was not made by the organization at the time, players confirmed that Mike Bonner was removed from the head coach position and Rod Miller, the assistant head coach and former Beef head coach, was appointed head coach before Omaha's fifth game of the season. Bonner was head coach for only four games, posting a 1–3 record, including losing the last three by a combined five points. Miller became the seventh person to hold the position over the previous six seasons. Midway through the season, Omaha suspended starting quarterback Anthony Iannotti. Iannotti led the Beef to the 2017 Champions Bowl, where he started 14 out of 15 games. Iannotti was later released. Omaha finished the season losing four out of the last five games and posting a 4–8 record, tied for second worst in franchise history with the 2014 season. The Beef failed to qualify for the playoffs for the fourth time in five seasons, the longest stretch in franchise history.

Ricky Bertz and Craig Tirey ownership (2018–present)
During the 2018 offseason, the Beef were for sale. On October 24, 2018, the Beef announced the new owners as Ricky Bertz, a founder of the CIF, and Craig Tirey. On November 6, 2018, the Beef announced that James Kerwin would return as head coach for the 2019 season.

In July 2023, after winning two of the three previous CIF championships, the Beef announced they were leaving the CIF for a new league along with the Sioux City Bandits and the Topeka Tropics. On August 9, 2023, the team announced they had joined the National Arena League (NAL) beginning with the 2024 season.

Sioux City Bandits
Known as the "I-29 Rivalry," the Beef and the Sioux City Bandits have been rivals since their time in the National Indoor Football League (NIFL) starting in 2002, becoming one of indoor football's oldest rivalries, the only breaks in their rivalry coming in 2011 and 2012 during the Bandit's two years in the American Professional Football League (APFL) and again in 2020 when the CIF season was cancelled due to the COVID-19 pandemic. , the Beef hold a series lead of 26–24 and the teams have met fourfold in the postseason. The Beef won the 2004 meeting, 46–40 in a game that was host to controversy related to fan interference, before falling to the Billings Outlaws in a 59–68 shootout in the very next round. Thirteen years and four different leagues came between the two I-29 adversaries until the 2017 postseason, as the Beef prevailed over the Bandits to claim the 2017 North Conference championship with a 55-45 victory, but lost the championship to the Texas Revolution in Champions Bowl III 59–49.

Sioux Falls Storm
Dating back to the Beef's time in the NIFL, United Indoor Football (UIF), and Indoor Football League (IFL), the rivalry with the Sioux Falls Storm was one-sided with the Storm holding a 17–6 series lead (including three postseason victories). However, during the 2008 season, the Beef defeated the Storm 34–18 and ended the Storm's then-record 40 game winning streak, which had begun with a 51–41 win over the Beef in the 2005 season. The rivalry came to an end after the conclusion of the 2012 season, when the Beef left to form the Champions Professional Indoor Football League.

Billings Outlaws
The Billings Outlaws held a 12–3 series lead over the Beef before folding after the conclusion of the 2010 season. The rivalry was renewed over a decade later after a new Outlaws franchise joined the CIF for the 2022 season. Since then, the Beef have a 3–1 series lead, including a 42–6 win in the 2023 CIF playoffs to secure their third straight Champions Bowl appearance.

Salina Liberty
The 2020s has seen a new rivalry emerge for the Beef in the form of the Salina Liberty. From 2021 to 2023, the league's championship games have been played by the Beef and the Liberty. , the Beef have a 10–7 series lead over Salina. The two teams have an even a 2–2 record in the postseason, with Omaha, winning Champions Bowl VI and Champions Bowl VIII, and Salina winning Champions Bowl VII.

Awards and honors
The following is a list of all Beef players who have won league Awards

Non-player personnel
The Beef organization have the only all-male dance team in indoor football, the Rump Roasters, along with a dance team, the Prime dancers. The Prime dancers have won several awards including the best dance team three times in the UIF and 2009 dance team of the year in the IFL. They are ambassadors for the Beef organization as well and perform in conjunction with the Rumproasters. The Prime were named Dance team of the Year once again for 2012.

The mascot for the Beef is an Angus bull named Sir Loin. He won mascot of the year three times in UIF and was named 2009 Mascot of the year in the IFL. He was named Mascot of the Year for 2011 and again in 2012.

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Sioux City Bandits

The Sioux City Bandits are a professional indoor football team based in Sioux City, Iowa, and compete as a member of National Arena League (NAL). The team was founded in 1999 as the Sioux City Attack. In 2001, the team assumed their current name of the Bandits. The Bandits play their home games at the Tyson Events Center.

History
In 2000, the Sioux City Attack joined the original Indoor Football League (IFL). After this season concluded, the Orlando Predators of the Arena Football League bought out all but two of the league's teams. Once they were founded, the Sioux City Bandits assumed identity of the Attack. The organization has played in eight different leagues including the original IFL (as the Attack), the National Indoor Football League (NIFL), United Indoor Football (UIF), the new Indoor Football League (IFL), American Professional Football League (APFL), the Champions Professional Indoor Football League (CPIFL), and then Champions Indoor Football (CIF).

Notable early team accomplishments include former Sioux City running back Fred Jackson being signed by the Buffalo Bills of the NFL. Jackson, out of Coe College, was the 2005 United Indoor Football's league leading rusher in which he set an indoor football record for most yards in a single season with more than 1,700. That year the Bandits hosted the championship game facing their rival Sioux Falls Storm. Sioux City had beaten Sioux Falls three times during the regular season but lost the championship game, 40–38.

After owning the team for 20 years, owner Bob Scott sold the Bandits to Missouri businessman J. R. Bond on 20 January 2021. After the 2021 season, Don Belson came on as the minority co-owner of the team. Belson had been associated with the team for nearly 20 years working in game day operations.

In July 2023, the Bandits announced they were leaving the CIF for a new league along with the Omaha Beef and the Topeka Tropics, the last of which would ultimately fold before the 2024 season. On August 8, 2023, the team announced they had joined the National Arena League (NAL) beginning with the 2024 season.

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Images
Can you provide copyright tags for all the images you've uploaded please, as instructed on the upload page. Also, they need more descriptive filenames than the letters and numbers you've given them. Thanks. — Trilobite (Talk) 16:20, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I see you've just slapped "fair use" on them all. How are they fair use? You need to provide a rationale for claiming fair use, and "I want to use them" doesn't really qualify. I'm guessing you grabbed them off a website, but someone owns the copyright to them and we can't have copyright violations on Wikipedia. If you can't get permission for reproducing them, please list them for deletion. — Trilobite (Talk) 15:34, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Texas Metropolitan Areas
While I appreciate your penchant for Census Bureau, I suggested as WikiPedia standard regional model, Template:Texas does not use them. It uses metropolitan areas, that are more or less generally accepted by the metros' inhabitants, as such I will be reviewing the changes you made to the template and be readding some information i.e- Longview-Marshall, Sherman—Denison, and Galveston. If you have insight on a metro that is not included I'd appreciate your insight.- JCarriker 21:48, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * I understand where you got the names, as I said above I suggested that the Census Bureau regional model as wikipedia's standard so I share your interest in the way the Census Bureau classifies things and believe in the importance of including it here. The metropolitan area standard was suggested to keep the proliferation of suburbs that come with largest cities list which tends to exclude smaller major cities in favor of large suburbs, something that both the 2000 and 2004 classes maintain. That said, Template:Texas, unlike the list in the Texas article does not use MSA's, but rather the recognized metropolitan areas. I don't object to including cities listed in the 2004 MSA's but I do object to remoning metropolitan areas that have existed to decades and still exist in the eyes of the people who live in them. The Sherman-Denison metropolitan area has not ceased to exist, and as a resident of the Longview-Marshall metropolitan area, I know for a fact that both cities still use it even if the Census Bureau doesn't. If you'd like to work on a new policy for inclusion I'd be happy to participate, as I said I'd be reviewing your changes not reverting them. -JCarriker 05:08, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

WikiProjects
You should consider joining WikiProject Texas and WikiProject U.S. regions. -JCarriker 11:25, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC)

Houston Aeros
Yeah, mentioning practice sites is fine by my book. You have to admit your first draft was misleading though and I think that sentence might be better placed after the "play in the Toyota Center...previously Compaq" statement. Where they practice is probably the lowest priority information there. Enjoy ccwaters 13:40, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hey there
I've seen you around some of the Texas articles and wanted to say welcome! If you're interested, you should pop by the Texan Collaboration of the Month page -- right now, we're working on improving Texas Ranger Division. · Katefan0(scribble) 18:00, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)

Houston- Fastest growing
--I'd like to know why my deletion of the quotes was "irrelevant". If you want to restore them, you'll need to reference your sources since the issue is already being discussed on the Houston talk page. Also, the quotes you put in really make no sense due to the mixing of plurals and singulars. --Jleon 17:34, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

--Well I don't know the source of the quotes either, and I have already shown evidence that they are entirely false. At one point, we had several different U.S. city articles claiming to be the fastest growing at the same time, so this is something I've tried to keep on top of. --Jleon 17:52, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

--"Non regular"? From the looks of it, you have completely taken over the Houston article. There are very good reasons not to have the Houston pic on that section, and this has been discussed at length. I'm sure you think that Houston is the greatest, but you need to develop a more objective viewpoint of other U.S. cities. The basic fact is that Houston is not seriously considered a "global city" by anyone, and has contributed very little culturally to the U.S. --Jleon 18:04, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Sorry to interject. I believe the policy on that page is to maintain pics on the three largest cities. I'd urge you to ignore the above Jleon's insult in regards to Houston, UHCollegian. If you are insistent on including in Houston I'd suggest you ask the opinion of WhisperToMe, whose been the most prominent Houstonian on Wikipedia for years. Please also keep me aprised of the situation. -JCarriker 11:31, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

--How is anything I said insulting? Its true that Houston is not considered a global city by virtually anyone in the fields of Urban Studies or Urban Planning. Furthermore, I don't see what great cultural influence Houston has had on the U.S. I mean just compare it to the incredible influence other cities have had in terms of literature, film, theater, and music. I don't even see anyting subjective about my above comments, so there's certainly no reason for anyone to feel insulted. I do think overall UH Collegian, you've done some great work on the Houston article, lots of great photos and new material. Houston is a great city, but its just not in the same league as the other top three. --Jleon 17:24, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

U.S. Southern wikipedians' notice board
I have now reopened the notice board, if you are interested in contributing new topics, or in nominating articles for the Collaboration of the Week, which also received a revamp. Please post on the project's talk page if you show interest. Mike H 02:50, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)

Economics page
Please explain reverted Economics page.

 * I second the request (Edit at 21:19, 18 Jun 2005 to be exact). Jrincayc 21:44, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the explaination. Jrincayc 02:26, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Houston map
What are the ten counties for it? Does the U.S. government define the Houston Metro area as ten counties?

I can re-make the image by adding more counties.. WhisperToMe 17:38, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Getting Sugar Land featured
Your article has already come very close to meeting a featured criterea. The Marshall article seems to have become the standard model for getting a city article featured status, I've noticed several cities have used it as an example in their attempts to become featured. The most important thing is to catch your own POV, when someone loves a city enough to try to get its article up to featured status, they have a natural dispostion toward promoting the city— this was a problem with my early Marshall edits. However, rather than list specific suggestions or offer vague general advice, would you mind if I made some changes to the article directly then offered suggestions about the remaineder? We could contiue the discussion on Talk:Sugar Land. -JCarriker 17:55, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * I'll let you know when I post, but you can also add Sugar Land and Talk:Sugar Land to your watchlist and check recent changes to the article on your wathclist by using the My watchlist option in the sidebar. You can add a page to your watchlist checking the box bellow the edit summary box when you edit a page or can add a page without editing it by using the Watch this page option. I find it very useful for tracking changes to topics I'm interested in but aren't directly involved in those changes, for instance I know you added yourself to list of Southern Wikipedian's before MikeH moved it to its new location, because I notice the changes on my watchlist. -JCarriker 19:21, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * I've made some change to the article as well as create the Sweet Land of Sugar redirect. I posted my further suggestions on Talk:Sugar Land, Texas, I hope I don't sound condescending, as that's not my intent, I'm tired and really just through my suggestions out there. Now sleep deprivation talking: One lump or two? -JCarriker 05:12, Jun 25, 2005 (UTC)

Wharton County Junior College
Hi, note that Kjammer did not delete the page; another admin, who must have missed my edit summary did and I have left them a note on it. I'm sure that this was simple human error and in no way malicious and would ask you to accept that nobody here is down on you or your article. Many volunteers patrol Wikipedia to ensure the removal of vandalism and trivial pages and we all make mistakes from time to time, but these mistakes are easily undoable. For example, if you had asked, I could have restored the deleted page for you, saving you the bother of recteating it. I am also copying this message to User talk:Kjammer. Filiocht | Talk 10:43, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

 * Just so you know, many editors and admins take the speedy deletion criterion, "Very short articles with little or no context," very literally. They feel that it is extremely poor etiquette to create a page just to be a place holder. They feel that when you save an article for the very first time, you should at least have one or two sentences of reasonable content. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 11:02, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Reply to your comment on my talk page:

Have you ever heard of the   template?

This means that you are activly working on the article. The article in question did not have a noticeable outline or anything (the title in boldface + a stub is hardly an outline for anything). A "placeholder" is rather pointless, why not create the article when you actually create the article. I see you've added a sentence to the new article that defines the subject, which could've (should've) been written with the article's creation. — Kjammer ⌂  11:15, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * There's no need for placeholders; the page won't run away. It's best to write the article in a subpage of your userpage (like User:UH Collegian/Wharton County Junior College) until you've got something substantial before posting it in the article space or use inuse as suggested. Hopefully, my nominating it for vfd hasn't put you off contributing. Happy editing! - Mgm|(talk) 12:59, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Butting in. Many users create their own sandboxes (modeled after wikipedia's public sandbox) for such experimentation and place holding, e.g User:JCarriker/sandbox. -JCarriker 05:16, Jun 25, 2005 (UTC)

Template:Texas
I like most of your changes, but I have replaced the image of El Capitan with a map of Texas. We should have something that symbolizes all of the regions rather than one that is emblamatic of one. Again, good work! -JCarriker July 3, 2005 14:15 (UTC)

RE: Talk:Texas post
I'd stongly urge you to change the all caps emphasis in your post on Talk:Texas, as it could be considered rude (all caps is a stand in for yelling if you didn't already now that.) Please use italics or bolding to place emphasis. Thanks. -JCarriker July 9, 2005 14:24 (UTC)
 * Please remove your second post, it and your first post (that I unfortunatley neglected to read thouroughly) will be construed as personal attacks., which are unacceptable even if someone else launches one against you. I'll deal with Z-whatever, please take a cooling off period by editing something else, Sugar Land perhaps? -JCarriker July 9, 2005 15:47 (UTC)
 * Please delete your second post, its only going to hurt you. Things both you and Zershek said are personal attacks. You can't pull the first post because he has responded, but please pull the second one before its too late. There is no need to start an article war over this, I beleive I can broker a compromise. -JCarriker July 9, 2005 15:58 (UTC)
 * Please clarify for me these are your greivences:
 * Z called your picture "ugly"
 * Z says that UH is a sceond tier school
 * Z calls you a kid
 * JCarriker July 9, 2005 16:13 (UTC)
 * I recomend that you let removing the pic be an option during negotiation. This is necessary for disuccusion of option like removing all the pics or reducing the to the two flagship pics. Also I'd like you to consider offering an apology for your part in the personal attacks. One more thing: in your opinion was his negative comment about the picture what set the negative tone of the conversation and the subsequently hostile post you wrote? -JCarriker July 9, 2005 17:16 (UTC)

I owe you an apology for responding to you with the "look kid" remark. I'm sure we can discuss mutual differences under a more positive and proper setting. After all, we're both interested in portraying TX in a better light.--Zereshk 22:32, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry I missed this post on my talk page. In regards to e-mails, this is not e-mail correspondence this is a community collaboration on wikipedia. Wikipedia beleives in Wikiquette and Wikilove and above all No personal attacks. I have proposed a compromise that eleminates MD Anderson but includes UH. Zereshk has apologized for his remarks and agreed to a compromise, I hope you will apologize for your role in the conflict as well. It is important to assume good faith, many times we fall short of this but it is important to rectify the situation when we do fall short of good faith. -JCarriker 23:15, July 9, 2005 (UTC)

East Texas
In short Southeast Texas is a sub region of East Texas. You came to the right place, for information— I created both articles. I'm also a geogrpahy person so please indulge me for babling about more info than neccesary. East Texas can be divided into several subregions, Northeast Texas and Southeast Texas are always present. Additionally the Houston Metropolitan area, may be carved out of Southeast Texas, in my experience this is prefered by Houston and other Southeast Texans. There is also another potential sub-region, Deep East Texas which consists of the upper parts of Southeast Texas and lower parts of Northeast Texas (Think Jasper through Nacogdoches). In some defintions East Texas might be reduced to just the Piney Woods exluding the Gulf Coast, but I find that view chauvanistic and detrimental to working together to achieve common goals. Then there is the fringe region where it is debateable if the area is part of East Texas or part of the adjoing North Texas and Central Texas, a line from Columbus, though Bryan/College Station and Corsiacana, ending at Greenville basically covers that area, anything farther west usually is not considered part of East Texas. While areas further west might culturally be Southern, one of the criteria for being in East Texas, areas farther west are not (in terms of physical geogrpahy and ecology) part of the Southeastern United States another criteria for being part of East Texas. Feature east of the Columbus to Greenville line, like the Piney Woods, Caddo Lake, and Buffalo Bayou make East Texas part of the Southeast physically and ecologically. Also see above RE: Texas. -JCarriker July 9, 2005 17:16 (UTC)
 * I used the base map of Texas from wikipedia that I downloaded so long ago I don't remeber where its location on wikipedia is anymore. I colored teh map using paintbrush, and converted it into jpeg using the shareware program VicMan's Photo editor. Given your interests, you really should consider joing WikiProject U.S. regions. Also, I'd appreciate a vote of support to redirect American West, which is a Duplicate article and should have never existed in the first place, back to Western United States. Its continued existence, in violation of policy, an my inability to do anything about it is the reason my Wikistress is so high. Thanks. -JCarriker 21:44, July 9, 2005 (UTC)

User Categories
Since the British have there own category UK Wikipedians. I'm thinking of creating two other user categories, one based on culture US Southern Wikipedians and the other on generation Millenial Wikipedians (people born in the 1980s and 1990s, late seventies also a possible interpretation). Think you'd be interested in adding them to your user page if I created them. It make researching researching our systemic bias easier. -JCarriker 22:24, July 9, 2005 (UTC)

Removing pic idea
He got the idea from the back channel negotiations I was conducted. It was not your idea, the idea to remove MD Anderson (since it is part of the UT system) and keep UH was one of the compromise ideas I proposed. I have not heard your response to it either way. Zershk has made a major mistake in posting that vote I hope you will hold off a little longer before acting a little longer to give me more time to save the negotiations (if possible). -JCarriker 23:51, July 9, 2005 (UTC)

Post on Talk:Texas
Please remove your most recent reaticon to Zershk's vote. There's no need to thereathen You have the moral ground here, please don't loose it by making threats. I have notified him I won't ask him to return to negotiations, when there over I will be freer to speak my mind on the situation and respond to your proposal on my talk page. It would be unethical of me to respond to your post while there I'm serviving as the go between, however I can drop clues like this articles title. -JCarriker 00:27, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

Apology
I'm about to ask you to do something difficult, if it works- everyone wins, if it doesn't- it strengthens your hand. I know, given that Zershk offered an apology you would have offered one for your hostile tone in the original post had he not proceded with that vote. I ask that you precede with that apology as if that interlude had not happened, he has said "I will only come back to the table if he apologizes to me on the talk page". Yes he is the one that pulled out of negotiations, I'm asking you to be big about this and forgive him for making that mistake. He wrote explictly that he would return and I'll hold him to it. Diplomacy is hell, but its often the best way. -JCarriker 01:26, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

Clarification needed
I really need to know if you are willing to apologize to Zereshk for the hostile tone you took. That would not mean that he was in the right it would simply acknowledge you acted poorly as well. The other users on the page both Kate and Laura are supporting the negotiations and thus holding off on any vote until the 12th. I realize that there there's a lot of crap going on so let me make a simple analyisis, if you apologize I imagine the UH pic has a good chance of staying, if you don't it chances are not as good, 50/50 at best. It really is in your best interest to apologize and I hope you will, despite of how Zereshk behaved during the negotiaions he did apologize to you, and had he not taken the action he did I'm sure you would have apologized to him as well. Again I need to know if you are going to apologize, because if you don't negotiaitions will fail and the chances of UH being shown will go down significantly. Thanks. -JCarriker 15:23, July 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Would you like me to remove the offending post or would you like to revise your first post (as Zereshk did). Since your post is much longer than Z' (and thus more work to revise), I'm letting you know that sometimes wikipedia recommends removing offending passages from talk pages when the users reconcile. This would not include the vote passage or your rationale sections, but your first post and Zereshk's response.-JCarriker 15:58, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

Please see
This isn't as important as the above clarification post, but please see Votes for deletion/American West, it'd be funny if it wasn't sad. Poor guy, I kinda feel sorry for him. Oh, well. -JCarriker 15:41, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

Deleting pics
He got the idea by jumping to conclusions. During negotiaions I put out feelers as to what might be acceptable compromises to him, he greabbed one of them and took it to the talk page before I could convey his response to you and yours back to him. The apologies are what is facilitiating a dialogue, so please stop trying to provide justification for your response to Zereshk he'll only interpret it as trying to assign blame to him and accuse you of backing out of the apology. -JCarriker 16:21, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

You have been...
...selected to review a proposal at WikiProject U.S. regions/Maps to replace the current grab bag of U.S. maps with a standardized style. The maps also remove the always, sometimes, and rare classification currently in use, in favor of a core area always in a region highlighted in red, while states that may or may not be included in a region are shown in pink. Please comment on the talk page. If approved or revised by participants, I'd like to make the transition within the next two weeks. Thanks. -JCarriker 19:31, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

TX school pics
Apology accepted. I didnt mean to belittle your school. It's just that I have been encountering a lot of people who think TX, its people, and everything associated with The South are dumb and backward. And that pisses me off. I was trying to counter that by beefing up the academic image of Texas.

I dont feel like pursuing this matter really that much. I dont have too much internet time. Id rather be spending it on writing/perfecting articles.

What do u think of putting the Melcher Hall pic there instead of the current one? I think the double facaded Melcher Hall pic gives an impression of forwardness and advancement. A good choice, in my opinion.--Zereshk 22:12, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Compromise on College pics
Please see: Talk:Texas I believe this should be acceptable to all parties involved. -JCarriker 23:54, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

Houston
Hi,

I was just trying to update the look of the infobox to make it look nicer. Also, the flag and seal are way too big. I was just moving the infobox down a little bit to make the page look nicer. Furthermore, I don't think you know how things work in Wikipedia, but you need to ALWAYS give the source for an image no matter what, and especially because it's in the public domain, you have to say where it's from, and say that they said it was under a free licence, because people won't believe you. --Hottentot

Response
I have responded to your inquirey on my talk page. Also you may want to consider archiving your talk page at something like User talk:UH Collegian/archive1 in the near future. -JCarriker 17:53, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * I can do it either way. Personally, I view my talk page as a cohesvie entity, as such I prefer to cut and paste rether than move it. Cut & paste also has the advatnage of selecting what you want to archive, thus avoiding hainvg to move arctive conversations like the one below. If you wish to cut and paste, selecte the material begining with this post and above, cut and paste it to User talk:UH Collegian/archive1, make sure you provide a link to the archive on the talk page. -JCarriker 19:32, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

Glad...
...to see that we've been able to come to an agreement. It's not ideal for any side, but often that's what compromises are. Anyway, the reason I'm writing, beyond saying I'm glad everything got resolved, is because I've noticed that you have redirected Houston Metropolitan Area to Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown Metropolitan Area. I personally disagree with this change. While it may be a more technically correct naming style, it's not what anybody refers to it as and probably is not what anybody is going to link to it as, which is going to mean a huge headache. It will mean regularly checking Houston Metropolitan Area for disambiguation, and will mean a load of nicknames inside the article text, because Houston Metropolitan Area is much more reader-friendly than H-SL-BMA. · Katefan0(scribble) 19:07, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * Just a quick note to UH, this could be accomplished and still recognize Sugar Land, such as in the lead: The Houston Metropolitan area, officially known as the Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown Metropolitan Area. What Kate's proposing would do very little in the way of belittleing Sugar Land's importance, and might make editing easier on wikipedians. Please give it careful thought, she means no insult by this, and only wants, as do you, what's best for wikipedia. Thanks. -JCarriker 19:23, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

HMA/H-SL-BMA
Have you given my proposal any more thought? What JCarriker said is true -- I don't mean any insult to Sugar Land. My main concern with the suggestion is making it easier on editors in terms of disambig, and making the article texts more reader-friendly. We could definitely make sure on the main metro area page that it lists the official designation. Please let me know what you think. · Katefan0(scribble) 15:17, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * Of course, absolutely no harm done and thanks for answering. I only mentioned it as a practical and style matter.  I would like to make the change if you're amenable to it.  I don't mind mentioning the official designation on the main Houston page either, just not every page that links off of Houston.  I don't know that I know what a short dash looks like on here -- how is it made?  Best · Katefan0(scribble) 17:59, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * No, I wouldn't object to the short dash at all. I see what you mean about it being smushed-looking.  Wait, I'm confused.  You've basically taken the information and made it into a template... but he keeps putting back the old table structure?  It's the same information, right? · Katefan0(scribble) 18:07, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmm.... well, sometimes small things can be annoying. Let's see if we can get him talking and find out why having the smaller size is so important to him. · Katefan0(scribble) 18:37, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

Page protection
I have protected the page per your request to avoid an edit war. I cannot endorse one version of the page over the other or advise you on this issue— to do so would be unethical as I am the one who protected the page. I still can advise you on other issues but on this one to do so would now be inappropriate. Please feel free to ask for help regarding on other issues or to request the page be unprotected. -JCarriker 19:41, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * Try saving your changes. I show an option for unprotection on my sidebar- meaning it should be protected.-JCarriker 20:09, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * (Sorry for butting in) -- sometimes WP takes a few minutes to actually lock out the page once the protected tag has been put in. I've seen it happen a few times.  It should be there in a few minutes. · Katefan0(scribble) 20:11, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * I think it was my error. The protection box used to have a box admin's had to check to confirm protection, that box is now an option of protecting pages from moves only, I think I accidentally checked it. The page should be really protected now. -JCarriker 20:17, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * UH Collegian, I believe we made a compromise that I wouldn't move the infobox down as long as you keep the flag and seal to a normal size. You say that I need to be banned but you have violated the 3RR as well. --Hottentot
 * Examples of standard sizes: Example 1, Example 2, Example 3, Exmaple 4, Example 5. --Hottentot
 * Oh, why I changed it in the first place? Well, firstly, I noticed that the flag and seal were too BIG, and I've quite frankly never seen an infobox with things that big before, and the infobox itself and an old style that wasn't in form. --Hottentot
 * Ok, thanks for letting me know about Chicago's template. I have made the map smaller. --Hottentot
 * UH Collegian, I'm not talking about the whole infobox, I'm just talking about the flag & seal!!! --Hottentot
 * Ok, let's have a second compromise: I'll stop toutching the downtown houston pic (which you refuse to give the source of) if you stop touching the flag and seal. Deal? Hey that rhymes. --Hottentot
 * Yeah, me too. --Hottentot

Extraterritorial jurisdictions
Areas within the ETJ of another city cannot be considered a part of that city; the definition of an extraterritorial jurisdiction is enforcing laws outside of the city's boundaries; therefore Mission Bend is not a part of Houston... WhisperToMe 04:38, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

hma
Hey, don't even worry about it. I don't mind doing it at all, anything related to home is mostly a labor of love. Actually in going through the disambig, I've found a few county pages that need serious work.. one of which was even a potential copyvio. 72K! Yeesh. I still think the article is too wordy and even rambly in spots... and I think the neighborhood information is WAY too detailed. I'd like to see it forked into Neighborhoods of Houston or something like that. WhisperToMe doesn't seem to agree. Oh well. Keep up the good work 'round the neighborhood ;) · Katefan0(scribble) 01:05, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

Houston, Texas
I would appreciate it if you would not propose any cutting of the pictures on the article. I have worked really hard the past 2 months to find pictures that were free use and PD. Why must you always propose to cut my edits? I don't get it. You have propose to change the article too much aleady, please give it a break. With the adding of pictures the past few months, I have left pictures that were added by other users intact still. I request that you not move the pictures I put up or any other users' picture that they have put up. All I am trying to do for the Houston article is to bring it up to featured article standards, that's all. I also want it to look nice. (your comment from my talk page)
 * Please know that when I propose a change to something, it's nothing personal. I think that your contributions are well-meaning, but not always done in the most proper fashion, and it's my experience that you tend to react way too strongly when a contribution of yours is examined critically.  As far as that goes, I'm far from perfect, there are plenty of things that I do here on Wikipedia that other people have improved and I confess I don't always like it either, but I do try to be polite about it.  The important thing is to realize that we're all here for the same reason, and to find a way to work together in mutual pursuit of a goal instead of getting defensive or combative.
 * I also appreciate that you're trying to improve the article to be a FAC. I think that's a great goal and I'm equally interested in seeing that happen.  But I think that if you were to subject the article to a Peer review, which is necessary before submitting it for FAC, I suspect that would be one of the primary criticisms -- there are simply too many pictures that are too redundant.  A casual observer reading the article would think Houston was nothing but buildings (well..... =) ).  Some of the shots are quite attractive, but they're ultimately redundant given the large number of similar shots.  It's unfortunate that this means some wasted work on your part, and I truly regret that, but it doesn't change my opinion because my ultimate responsibility is to the article, which I think would be improved with some photo trimming.  Or at the very least, replacing some of the very most redundant shots with something else, some other view of Houston, which we both know has a lot to offer. · Katefan0(scribble) 19:24, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree, some of them are really great shots. But that doesn't make them less redundant.  We have several views of essentially the same skyline that convey basically the same idea, that we really just don't need.  Also, before you go just unilaterally replacing the photos with something else, I think it might be best if you seek a consensus for whatever photos you find first.  That's part of why you're having these issues now -- Wikipedia tells us to be bold, and that's a directive I agree with.  But for things that are disputed, it's not always a good idea.  So, I'm going to post a few suggestions myself, and let's come up with something the community as a whole likes. · Katefan0(scribble) 19:46, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * The pictures were never disputed to begin with. It has been there and intact for a while. Also, from what I am seeing, you are discussing your proposals exclusively with Jleon, not with the "community". Also, you said the "community"...what community? There are basically four people editing the Houston article on a regular basis and posting on talk page — that is us, WhisperToMe, and Rockhopper10r. These four people really the ones that care about the Houston article and it seems none of what I do really matter since you are discussing and getting consensus from Jleon exclusively. Jleon only edited the Houston article twice and that was to remove something he did not like. He is from New York City and really think low of Houston. Why dont we just use that picture of NASA from your userpage. I like that one. UH Collegian 20:01, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
 * For now, we three are the only ones around to comment. But anybody can (and should), and I'd suggest that we should hold off making any actual changes for maybe a day or so to give other people a chance to weigh in if they so choose.  I'd hope that more than just the three of us would be the ones talking about it.  But three people can be considered a consensus if that's what it comes down to.  As to Jleon, whether he's from NYC or not is immaterial -- geography doesn't make his opinion matter less (though I do wonder why he's so interested in the Houston page).  I prefer the shuttle shot because it's specifically flying over JSC.  It's more related to Houston specifically than the one on my userpage (which is a nice shot!) because the one on my userpage is taken at KSC in Florida. But this is stuff we should really be discussing on the article's talk page, where it's exposed to the entire community of folks who might be interested. · Katefan0(scribble) 20:09, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * I never agree to a consensus or compromise. I never said anything about a consensus or compromise. You just brought it upon yourself and demand it to be a compromise and/or consensus on the talk page and then start proposing without my consensus. This is a dispute you have brought on and is between you and I. There you go again with flying out with compromises and proposal. Again, this is a dispute between you and I. You started this whole dispute of pictures thing and now you want some of it removed. I don't care if people add more pictures but I have never removed any of the pictures that were added by another user, even though I didn't like some of it. I do not mind you adding NASA and if you want, I can find a nice shot of NASA, but don't do in place of any pictures. Also, the panoramic Downtown Houston pic stays. If you were to look at other citites, they have multiple shots of downtown as well. I got all these ideas from other pages. UH Collegian 20:18, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Pardon, but disputed information is often resolved by seeking a consensus of interested editors. I'm sorry you feel like this is some sort of personal battle between the two of us -- I don't think so at all, I think it's a chance for us to work together to find something we all like.  I'd love to see a NASA shot added to the article, but I do think there are too many pictures already there that are too redundant.  Since your concern was to keep the article looking attractive, my offer of compromise was to replace one of them with the shuttle photo.  Not removing some of the redundant photos is no compromise.  As to you finding "a nice shot of NASA," I have already found one I thought was good.  I'm sorry you disagree.  I find your statement "The panoramic Downtown Houston pic stays" to be counterproductive and, frankly, a little offensive.  You are not the final arbiter of what stays or goes in the article, nor am I.  If the community decides it should go, then it should go -- and while I've been extraordinarily polite with you so far, I will not be bullied and I won't tolerate ultimatums.  Personally, I like the skyline pic.  I'd like to see it kept.  But you aren't winning me over with this sort of "I won't compromise" stance. · Katefan0(scribble) 20:27, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Hey y'all! Why don't both of you take a wikibreak of a week from editing the Houston page? It could give y'all's nerves a rest and allow the other side to become clearer. (UH, ultimatums should be resereved for violations of policy, not content dispute. Be thankful your disagreement is with Kate, who is actually willing to compromise rather than one of the crazies running loose on wiki.) BTW way if you want an offical mediation I am a real Mediator now. Just file one at WP:RFM and request me. - JCarriker 12:49, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

U.S. regions
I've posted on his main account User:Latitude0116 directing him to U.S. regions talk. These maps have been agreed upon by consensus, and the box there is is a variant of a box that has existed for years. In other words revert him when you can and restore the maps when you can't revert him. Interestingly many of the maps the he is restoring were uploaded by him, I imagine ego is at the least a small factor here. P.S. make sure yoiu don't violate the WP:3rr, wou can be blobked for it. Thanks. -JCarriker 12:49, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * Could you please help me keep Category:City founders by supporting it on Categories for deletion. -JCarriker 03:58, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * The regions pages have been unprotected, please don't revert them it would damage the discussion at Talk WP:USR. Also you violated the 3rr on Template:U.S. regions yesterday, alwasy remember to only revert a page three time in a 24hr period- you can get temporarily blocked for violating the 3rr. Thanks. -JCarriker 16:13, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

A real, vicious troll
I know you belive, Zereshk to be a troll (I disagree) and both of you have had strong word in the past, but if you want to see an example of a trull vicious troll please see this attack on me by a probable sockpuppet intent of getting his own way. Consider it a case study on the brutality of wikipolitics, if you will. -JCarriker 05:17, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

Rollback on Talk
made comments on Talk:Dallas, Texas. You used the rollback feature to remove them. I can see you are in the midst of a dispute with this user, but removing talk page comments which are not evidently vandalism or personal attacks is a very unusual action to take, and I would ask you to explain and/or reconsider. Dragons flight 19:08, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Drama
When you push for change your going to be a controversial person. I'm a controversial person because I think that their should be a standard base map for the U.S. regions map display. If you are stongly convinced that Zeresk is a sockpuppet you should compile your evidence and file an RFC. As for your postion on the MSA's I'm not sure your postion is fully understood by every one. Please consolidate your views in a single post, specifically cite which MSA's should be included in your list. The list on Texas and Template:Texas contradict each other and seem to contradict your position. As I said your postion may not be fully understood, please clarify what you want included specifically. Thanks. - JCarriker 03:43, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

Greenspoint
If any of Greenspoint is within the Houston city limits, is it a district or a neighborhood? I want to put it on Houston's template but I cannot figure out where to put it. WhisperToMe 18:01, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Hatshepsut
If possible could you take a look at the Hatshepsut article, and see if you can support her FAC. Thanks. -JCarriker 10:11, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

Template:Texas
Stop reverting this template (anonymously or otherwise). There are 49 other templates that this has to conform with. ed g2s •  talk  15:16, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Seeing as you're pretty much the only editor of this page, and the anonymous IP traces back to Houston, I suggest you stop making these reverts before you get yourself blocked. ed g2s  •  talk  18:11, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I apologise if the anonymous reverts were not made by you. I did not threaten to block you, I was merely warning you. I find your assertion that because I don't live in Texas I have no business on the page quite worrying. Having looked through the state templates I can tell you all the state boxes (with one or two exceptions) have a simple coloured header bar, and nothing else (no state-related images tenuously linked to the words "regions" and "metropolitan areas", although this is not a major issue). While you may have spent a lot of time choosing a colour scheme, it is not for users to force their own visual preferences upon others (as much as possible). This is why we have a stylesheet, and try to keep the styling to the stylesheet, so not only does Wikipedia have a consistent look, but users can choose from a number of skins if they don't like the default one, or over-ride things they don't like in it, by editing their special user page. I appreciate that you have spent a lot of time thinking up a design, but Wikipedia is not a personal home page for us to experiment with our web-design skills. ed g2s  •  talk  19:52, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

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