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The Dong-A Ilbo

The Dong-A Ilbo is a daily Korean-language newspaper published in South Korea. It is considered a newspaper of record in the country, and was founded in 1920. The paper has been a significant presence in Korean society and history, especially during the 1910–1945 Japanese colonial period, when it championed the Korean independence movement.

The Dong-A Ilbo is the parent company of Dong-a Media Group (DAMG), which is composed of 11 affiliates including Sports Dong-a, Dong-a Science, DUNet, and dongA.com, as well as Channel A, general service cable broadcasting company launched on 1 December 2011. It covers a variety of areas including news, drama, entertainment, sports, education, and movies.

The Dong-A Ilbo has partnered with international news companies such as The New York Times of the United States, The Asahi Shimbun of Japan and The People's Daily of China. It has correspondents stationed in five major cities worldwide including Washington D.C., New York, San Francisco, Beijing, Tokyo, Cairo and Paris. It also publishes global editions in 90 cities worldwide including New York, London, Paris and Frankfurt.

Background
Many of the earliest modern Korean newspapers flourished during the early Korean Empire period. However, concurrently, the Empire of Japan was rapidly encroaching on Korean sovereignty. Japan increasingly pressured Korean newspapers to close, and by the time of Korea's official colonization in 1910, only a handful were left. This included the Korean-language Maeil Sinbo, which was de facto operated by the Japanese colonial government. Colonial restrictions on the Korean press and freedom of speech were initially tight; by 1915, the last remaining Korean-owned newspaper Gyeongnam Ilbo was pressured to close, which left the Maeil Sinbo as the only Korean-language newspaper allowed in Korea.

In 1919, the nationwide March 1st Movement protests took Japan by surprise. The colonial government violently suppressed the protests, then began making significant policy changes to prevent future unrest. It announced that it would allow a limited number of Korean-owned newspapers to be established. The first three newspapers approved for publication were The Chosun Ilbo (established on March 5, 1920; a month before The Dong-a Ilbo), The Dong-A Ilbo, and the pro-Japanese Sisa Ch'ongbo, although the latter paper would close the following year.

Founding
Journalist (and later Vice President of South Korea) Kim Seong-su, on behalf of a staff of 78 people, successfully applied for the paper's creation. The Dong-A Ilbo published its first issue on April 1, 1920. Park Yung-hyo served as the paper's first president, and Yang Gi-tak and Yu Kŭn as its editorial directors. Its first editor-in-chief was Chang Deok-soo. At the time of its founding, it had 23 regional offices in all but two provinces of Korea. By the end of the month, it had offices in all provinces.

The newspaper initially published four pages per issue. It increased this to six on August 1, 1925, to eight in September 1929, ten in September 1934, and twelve in January 1936. During its six-page phase, it briefly published two issues per day, in the mornings and evenings, making it the first Korean newspaper to do so. It resumed and kept this practice in November 1932.

Its pricing was initially 4 sen per issue and 75 per month. It initially suffered financial difficulties, and raised its prices four months after its start. Despite this, by April 1924, raised enough to construct a new office building. It was completed in December 1926, and was in front of Gwanghwamun.

The newspaper quickly proved to be a success. The paper was highly popular as a venue for sharing foreign ideas. It soon assumed a prominent place in Korean society; employment at the newspaper came to be seen as prestigious. According to colonial government statistics, in 1928, the newspaper had a circulation of 40,968. By contrast, Maeil Sinbo 's circulation was 23,946, The Chosun Ilbo 's was 18,320, and the Chungoe Ilbo 's was 15,460. According to historian Michael Shin, it had sales of 37,802 copies by 1929, compared to 24,286 for The Chosun Ilbo and 23,015 for Maeil Sinbo.

Pro-independence advocacy
Throughout the Japanese colonial period, the newspaper advocated for the rights of Koreans and for the Korean independence movement. On April 15, just two weeks after its first issue, it published an article about March 1st Movement–related protests in Pyongyang, which caused its publication to be briefly suspended. In September 1920, it published an article that was deemed insulting to the Imperial Regalia of Japan, and the paper was put on indefinite suspension. The suspension was lifted in January 1921. During this period, in November 1920, The Dong-A Ilbo journalist Chang Dŏk-chun was killed by Japanese soldiers while investigating a massacre of Koreans by Japanese soldiers in Hunchun, Manchuria. He became the first Korean reporter to be killed while reporting.

In April 1924, the Sikdowon Incident occurred. The Dong-A Ilbo published critical articles about pro-Japanese Korean organizations, which led to backlash from those groups. One of these groups requested a meeting with the newspaper's president Song Jin-woo and executive director  Kim Seong-su to the restaurant Sikdowon. The pair were then threatened at gunpoint. News of the incident spread rapidly, with Koreans around the country expressing outrage.

In March 1926, it published a speech about the anniversary of the March 1st Movement, which brought another suspension that would be lifted the following month. In April 1930, it republished a letter from an American journalist that advocated for the Korean independence movement, which resulted in a suspension until September.

Sohn Kee-chung uniform scandal
Ethnic Korean marathoner Sohn Kee-chung became the first Korean to win a gold medal at the 1936 Summer Olympics in Berlin. However, because Korea was under Japanese rule, his uniform featured the Japanese flag. Lee Kil-yong, Lee Sang-beom, and others worked together to erase the Japanese flag off Sohn's uniform, and published the image in the paper. The morning after the publication in August 1936, about 10 journalists of Dong-a Ilbo were hauled off to the police station where they were beaten and tortured. The paper was suspended from then until June 1937.

Increased repression and forced closure
With the rise of the Second Sino-Japanese War in 1937, the colonial government tightened restrictions on Korea. It censored and applied increasing pressure on The Dong-A Ilbo; in one instance, the government ordered the paper to remove an image of the Hibiscus syriacus flower (a symbol of Korea) from its logo. In 1940, the colonial government announced a policy that has since been dubbed One Province, One Company (1道1社; ). Under this policy, both Japanese- and Korean-language newspapers were made to consolidate to one per region. As part of this effort, The Dong-A Ilbo and The Chosun Ilbo were forced to close on August 10, which again left the Maeil Sinbo as the only prominent Korean-language newspaper allowed in Korea, although several minor Korean-language newspapers continued to be published. Much of the printing equipment and staff for the Korean-owned papers was transferred to either the Maeil Sinbo or the de facto official Japanese-language publication Keijō Nippō.

Liberation of Korea and interwar period
On August 15, 1945, Japan announced that it would surrender to the Allies, which signaled the liberation of Korea. Printing equipment was still held by the Maeil Sinbo and Keijō Nippō; the remnants of the colonial government protected the equipment from being seized by Koreans even weeks after the surrender. In September, the United States arrived and established the United States Army Military Government in Korea (USAMGIK) south of the 38th parallel, which encompassed Seoul. The U.S. allowed for greater freedom of the press for Koreans, and facilitated the closure of the Japanese-owned papers and transfer of printing equipment to the Koreans.

After five years and four months on hiatus, The Dong-A Ilbo released an issue on December 1, 1945. However, the left-right political divide intensified after the liberation and division of Korea. The Dong-A Ilbo sided with the right-leaning Koreans.

Korean War
On June 25, 1950, North Korea launched an invasion of the South, which began the Korean War. The Dong-A Ilbo published an issue on June 27, 1950, and then went on hiatus as Seoul was captured in the First Battle of Seoul. The Second Battle of Seoul saw Seoul's liberation by September 28; the paper resumed publication with a two-page issue on October 4. However, the Third Battle of Seoul and retreat from Seoul on January 4, 1951 caused the paper to go on hiatus again, and the paper was reestablished on January 10 in Busan, which was then serving as the provisional capital. There, the paper shared printing equipment with local newspapers; they struggled to print even two-page issues. In February 1952, they finished construction on a temporary headquarters in Chungmu-dong. However, the paper published critically about the Syngman Rhee administration, which it described as dictatorial. This caused the paper to eventually be indefinitely suspended (for its fifth time) on March 15, 1955. The suspension was lifted a month later.

Post-war period
In April 1960, the pro-democracy April Revolution protests against Rhee occurred. In December, the newspaper published an article that drew the ire of protestors, which caused 1,000 people to demonstrate at its offices. The following year, Park Chung Hee launched the May 16 coup and established a military dictatorship. Park's administration imposed restrictions on the press; The Dong-A Ilbo was allowed to print 36 pages per week in the evenings. This limit was increased to 48 pages per week in March 1970.

By the 1970s, The Dong-A Ilbo was seen as one of the most prestigious newspapers in Korea to work for, in part because of its historical role as a vanguard in the Korean independence movement. In the 1970s, The Dong-A Ilbo advocated for greater press freedom, in what has dubbed the "Fight for Press Freedom". On October 24, 1974, one of their issues was censored by the government, and prevented from being published. In protest of this, The Dong-A Ilbo published a public statement demanding more press freedom. The Park Chung Hee administration then contacted various companies that advertised in The Dong-A Ilbo, and pressured them to break their contracts with the newspaper. This led to the December 1974 The Dong-A Ilbo blank advertisement incident, where no advertisements were published in a number of issues of the paper for months. The newspaper and other media outlets were pressured into firing journalists who published critically about the Park administration. The newspaper attempted to compensate for their losses with private donations and by downsizing. On February 28, 1975, management of the paper held a meeting where it was agreed that they would fire some staff members who were the most vocal about freedom of the press. On March 8, the paper fired 18 employees, then fired an additional two more who protested the firings. Over a hundred of the paper's staff protested the firings, and staged a sit-in and hunger strike in the company offices. The strike was framed as a "riot", and was broken using force; the striking reporters were dragged out of the offices. By the time the unrest largely ended, almost half of the paper's staff had been fired or left. Pressure on the paper was lifted by July 1975. According to a reporter who wrote about this incident in The Hankyoreh in 2012, The Dong-A Ilbo became much more conservative and pro-government since the incident, and is still considered a conservative paper.

Timeline

 * 1920-09-25: The first suspension for indefinite period of time: for printing the article "Discussing the Problems with Rituals" which were critical of three items sacred to Japan
 * 1926-03-06: The second suspension for printing a message celebrating the March 1 protest
 * 1930-04-16: The third suspension for printing "The Dong-A Ilbo Plays an Important Role in Chosun's Current Situation" which was a letter sent by a press in US in support of Korea
 * 1931-03-21: Held the 1st Dong-a Marathon Games, Korea's first marathon race
 * 1936-08-29: The fourth suspension: for erasing the Japanese flag from Korean born Olympic gold medalist
 * 1940-08-10: Forced closure by the Japanese government
 * 1945-12-01: Re-opening of Dong-a Ilbo
 * 1961-03-15: Articles were printed criticizing the legitimacy of the May 15 election (lead to the April revolution)
 * 1963-03-17: Published newspaper without editorials in protest to the continued military rule
 * 1963-04-25: Opened Dong-a Broadcasting Station. The first media company to own print and broadcast media
 * 1964-07-15: Establishment of Children's Dong-a
 * 1967-01-28: Establishment of Dong-a Annual
 * 1971-08-17: Staff reporters receive Korea Reporter's Award
 * 1974-10-24: Announced the Free Press Declaration
 * 1974-11-20: Awarded for efforts made in freedom of speech by US Freedom House
 * 1974-12-20: Published blank advertisements in protest of the tyrannical military administration's advertisement oppression
 * 1975-04-18: Dong-a Ilbo President Sang-man Kim receives Press Freedom Golden Pen award
 * 1980-11-30: Dong-a Broadcasting Station closed due to the mandatory merger by the military government forces
 * 1984-04-01: Establishment of Dong-a Music (magazine)
 * 1986-01-01: Establishment of Dong-a Science
 * 1987-01-16: Exclusively reported the torture and death of Park Jong-chul, which acted as a catalyst for the June democracy uprising
 * 1993-04-01: Changed from an evening newspaper to a morning newspaper
 * 1994-03-21: Established Ilmin (People's) Culture Foundation
 * 1996-10-01: Began internet news service: DongA.com
 * 1996-12-19: Ilmin Museum of Art opened in the former Dong-a Ilbo newspaper building
 * 2000-01-01: Moves into Dong-a Media Centre in the Gwanghwamun area
 * 2000-12-15: Newspaper museum "Presseum" opened
 * 2001-07-01: World edition of paper printed in over 90 cities
 * 2002-01-01: Starting of Dong-a Ilbo's mobile services
 * 2002-01-04: The first Korean newspaper company to publish the weekend section, Weekend
 * 2003-04-01: Introduced the Knowledge Management System (KMS), 'Genie'.
 * 2005-07-15: On and Off-line Newsroom unifies
 * 2005-08-17: Begins printing 32 pages of Dong-a Ilbo in color

Feminist movement
In 1933, Dong-a Ilbo launched The New Women (later to become Dong-a Women.) The publication held events such as cooking schools and wives’ picnic providing women a place to socialize outside of the home. Articles such as “The New Woman and Education”, “Liberation of Women and the Nuclear Family” and “Women and Career” were printed to stimulate women's participation in society and the development of women's rights. Dong-a Ilbo also hosted athletic events for women. “Women’s National Tennis Competition” is Korea's and Dong-as oldest contest ever to be held.

The paper is considered a newspaper of record in Korea.

Awards and recognition

 * Receives Korea's Best Brand Award (2006)
 * Dong-a Ilbo President Sang-man Kim receives Press Freedom Golden Pen award (1975)
 * Awarded for efforts made in freedom of speech by US Freedom House (1974)
 * Staff reporters receive Korea Reporter's Award (1971)

Readership

 * Circulation: over 52 million
 * About 51% of the readers are in their 30s - 40s
 * Over 50% of the readers live in metropolitan area
 * 55% of the readers are university educated or higher

International partnerships
Dong-a Ilbo has partnered with internationally acclaimed news companies such as the New York Times and Reuters. They share information including articles and video clips. Dong-a Ilbo also prints global editions in 90 cities such as Washington DC, London, Paris, Frankfurt, etc., and has 22 branches worldwide including LA, Vancouver, Osaka. It also has international correspondents stationed in 6 cities with New York, Tokyo, and Beijing among them. Also, the digital edition of the paper is available in English, Japanese and Chinese.
 * Partnership:
 * The Times (UK)
 * Asahi Shimbun (Japan)
 * People's Daily (China)
 * Izvestia (Russia)
 * Sydney Morning Herald (Australia)

Publishing
Dong-a Ilbo also has an active publishing sector which produces magazines and books. There are four monthly magazines, two weekly magazines and one annual magazine. The literature sector concentrates on translating and distributing foreign material and also creating domestic content. DongA Books has brought to Korea many international bestsellers and award-winning literature as well as creating million sellers on its own.

 * Magazines:
 * Shin Dong-a (Current events magazine)
 * Women's Dong-a (Women's magazine)
 * Dong-a Science (Popular science magazine)
 * Dong-a Science KIDS
 * Weekly Dong-a
 * Weekend
 * Dong-a Annual
 * Books
 * Interpreter of Maladies by Jhumpa Lahiri (a Pulitzer winning fiction)
 * A Walk in the Woods by Bill Bryson (an international bestseller)
 * Sponge series (Korean content) has sold over a million copies

New and multi-media services
Dong-a Ilbo has been investing in many ventures that integrate technology into the method of spreading the news. First was the establishment of DongA.com which is the online version of the paper with much more content. It provides space for discussion and submission by the readers. From the success of the on-line content, the company also started its mobile services allowing readers to seek out the news wherever and whenever they are. With recent partnership with Reuters, Dong-a aims to add multimedia services to its methods. With raw video feeds from Reuters which Dong-a has the right to edit for its own use, DongA.com aims to reach its readers through text, images and video.

Community service
Dong-a Ilbo has always recognized its responsibility as a public corporation. As stated in Dong-a DNA, humanism is a great part of Dong-a Ilbo. It has a Culture & Sports Operations department (New Project Bureau) that works to raise awareness of different areas in arts and sports as well as promote healthy lifestyles. The company also has many foundations and scholarships for the less fortunate students in the country.

Arts
Dong-a Ilbo holds annual competition of high quality as well as hosting many cultural exhibitions. and more
 * International Music Concours
 * Dong-a Theatre Awards
 * DongA-LG International Animations Competition
 * Rembrandt and 17th Century Netherland Painters Exhibition (2007)

Sports
Dong-a Ilbo hosts annual competitions for various sports of different levels. It first began its program to raise awareness and help promote areas in sports that were less popular. and more
 * Seoul International Marathon
 * High School Baseball Tournament
 * Dong-a Swim Meet

Education
Dong-a holds annual competitions to help the brightest students. Other sectors such as Dong-a Science has its own educational program which also holds competitions to award the talented.
 * National English Competition (University & high school division)
 * National Scientific Essay Contest (hosted by DongA Science)

Charity
Dong-a Ilbo has established many foundations and scholarships for students and children of less fortunate circumstances. It has also established a foundation which promotes peace and culture.
 * Dong-a Dream Tree's Foundation: Scholarship foundation
 * Inchon Foundation: Founded in celebration of Kim, Sung-soo. Scholarship foundation.
 * 21st Century Peace Foundation: Promotes peace and harmony between North and South Korea through various means of communication and more

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Talk:Contre-jour

Do you think this picture I took is a good exemple of contre-jour? If yes, I'd like to donate it to wikipedia, to help illustrate this article. I find it a didactic example because there's lots of lens flare :)

how do you pronounce Contre-jour

zak 01:22, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

 * I'm not great at phonetically spelling words, but I'm French so I might as well give this one a try! . The 'rh' would be your classic 'rolling r' sound. Hope it helped! Ph33rspace 05:31, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Not only photography
Surely the term contre-jour can apply to painting as well as photography. Skeptic2 (talk) 16:06, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

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Egoi

Egoi is a minor divinity among the Basques associated with the south wind. Egoi creates windstorms.

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User talk:Jayhawkfixer

Welcome!

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Definition of Boat/Ship
I see you put in the United States Coast Guard article that they consider a boat as a vessel under 65 feet. Are you sure of that? I know the United States Navy considers a boat to be a vessel under 200 feet, except submarines, which are all called boats, regardless of size. It just seems interesting to me that 2 US military branches would have such a different definition of the same term. (you may reply here, or on my talk page). --Rogerd 18:19, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)

Image Copyright status.
Hi there. I've noticed that you've been uploading pictures of several coast guard ships but that you haven't identified the source or copyright status of these images. To protect itself from possible copyright lawsuits, Wikipedia requires that all images be tagged with an appropriate copyright tag and that their source be identified. If you obtained these images from a Coast Guard website or source, they ARE useable and you need only put on the image page and a link to the source. If these images turn out to be a copyright violation, they will unfortunately have to be deleted. I can help with that if that's the case. -Lommer | talk 18:22, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Definition of Boat/Cutter
Well I can tell you for a fact that we, USCG, call our boats cutters that are over 65 feet and a small boat that is under 65 feet. We unfortunately do not have cutters over 500 feet. I think our longest cutter is 420 and it a Polar Class cutter.
 * Well, as a USCG member, that would make you more of an authority than me. Thanks!  And thank you for your service to our country.  --Rogerd 19:46, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)

No worries, I appreciate the input and help, still learning the ins and outs of this cool entity. Hope I did the right thing in getting back to you.
 * Absolutely. Some people prefer carry out a conversation by posting on each other's pages, while others prefer keep it one place. This works for me.--Rogerd 21:51, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)

Kinda curious, I was reading the help section and noticed that a vanity page is a no-no. Do you have any suggestions on how to do a user page?
 * There is an article that has guidelines for it, User page. I think there is a lot more leeway (nautical term, eh?) for stuff that approachs vanity there than if you created an actual article about yourself like Jay H. Fixer (not a real page).  I looked at the history for your user page User:Jayhawkfixer, and I don't see anything wrong with the previous (pre-blank) version.  Many users have user pages, like me User:Rogerd, that have information about themselves that other wikipedians might find useful when communicating. --Rogerd 00:43, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

Ok that is very helpful. Yea I did put together a User Page but after reading the vanity aspect I took it down, but I will put it back on. Thanks

Image Copyright
New to the system and still learning, I appreciate the help and I will continue reading up on the help links and topics. Thanks

Link on your user page
FYI, I fixed the PO2 link on your user page. There actually is an article already on that. Cheers. -- Dave C. 05:58, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Image:USCGc.jpg listed for deletion
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Talk:Proportionality (mathematics)

(Does linear imply proportional?)
If y = kx + c, then would it not be correct to say that y is proportional to x, or y is directly proportional to x irrespective whether or not c = 0 or non-zero? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.97.78.203 (talk) 00:02, 10 June 2005 --Patrick 12:44, 23 August 2005 (UTC) --198.59.188.232 02:44, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure it is. I was just about to comment on that issue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.194.211.181 (talk) 04:41, 23 August 2005 (two edits)
 * I don't think so. Their change is proportional, but they are not themselves.
 * No, they're not proportional unless c = 0.

Direct proportionality
There is no distinction made between merely proportional and directly proportional, in the article. Perhaps one could be made by commenting on the origin graphically.00:36, 1 November 2003 (UTC)

what is the symbol for inverse?
the article shows that the symbol for directly proportional is α (alpha), but it doesn't say what the symbol for inverse proportional is. can anyone share that with me, i am having trouble remmebering it. I think its either a backwards alpha or an alpha with a line over or under it, something like that. can anyone help?--68.249.39.158 18:18, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

 * I thought it was just written as "x is proportional to the reciprocal of y", like this: X α 1/Y  capitalist 03:41, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

 * The sign of proportionality is not the greek lower case letter alpha (α), but the symbol ∝ (in Arial Unicode MS the symbol is a bit too small, in most type faces it is bigger, as seen in LaTeX: $$\propto$$). In some countries, Sweden for instance, the symbol $$\sim$$ or ∼ is used instead of ∝. The Unicode-code for ∝ is U+221D (Proportional to) and for ∼ U+223C (Tilde operator). /85.197.143.234 21:51, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Even more symbols

 * So there is no difference in ∝ and ∼? While checking the Mathematical Operators table at http://www.decodeunicode.org/w3.php?ucHex=2200 i found the character ∽ by the name reversed tilde - maybe this is the inverse proportional sign? By the way, there are many more abstruse characters found in this part of Unicode with most of them hardly to figure out. Maybe someone can help out and expand (that is create redirects) for these characters? Thanks, --Abdull 21:29, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

 * I am not too sure about Unicode specifically, but my guess is that it is similar to LaTeX in the sense that there are a lot of characters in LaTeX that can be called or used that do not have predefined meanings in common mathematics nomenclature. These symbols are in LaTeX so that users can define new operations without worrying about creating a new symbol for it and other things like this where it is nice to have a set of undefined, but premade symbols.

Graphs
Graphs would be helpful here, for examples of an inversely direct and an inversely square relationship. I don't have an SVG editor, so the only thing I can provide is a PNG... Tito xd (?!?) 07:43, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Proportionality to x^2?
Should there be a section on proportionality of x^n (n=1,2,3....)? --124.217.57.41 13:19, 4 September 2007 (UTC)BY Mr. Ignacio

That is not, to my knowledge, proportionality. I suppose you could call that "parabolic proportionality", but that would be original research if not a neogolism. dm yers t urnbull   ⇒ talk 05:15, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Improving article
Some suggestions for improving this article include having separate articles for direct and inverse proportion, as they are sufficiently comprehensive and practical topics that deserve separate articles (the redirects will have to be fixed. I must say that I am surprised this article and also ratio are quite short, given their usefulness in real life. I will try to expand the articles once I find the time. I encourage others to help ! Thanks. MP (talk•contribs) 19:20, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Given the ubiquity of direct proportion in civilization's systems of rationality, one might expect that that cousin "inverse proportion" would get some attention too. But once you look for sources and experts, books and articles, and real instantiation, the subject slips away into obscurity. Presently I am madly attempting to provide references for the article hyperbolic coordinates which is linked from the paragraph that we have presently. Probably the best evidence for obscurity comes from special relativity, where the hyperbolic curve of inverse proportion is taken for a map of the potential future moment, depending on the speed (or rapidity). The decades it has taken experts to expose the underlying linear algebra of Lorentz' transformations reflects the delicacy of parsing a physical model. Please, yes, if you have some references to build an article, that would be of great assistance.Rgdboer (talk) 20:45, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

In addition, the section Symbols mentions two Unicode proportionality symbols, ∷ and ∺, but doesn't make any attempt to explain what these symbols are used for, other than giving their Unicode names. There should be a better definition of what each means, over and above the Unicode names. For example, the former of the two is simply named 'PROPORTION', which isn't enough to truly define it.. --Ge0nk (talk) 23:45, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Dispute about factuality
Two quantities can be directly proportional even if they don't vary by a constant multiple. For example, Newton's law of universal gravitation states that every particle in the universe attracts every other massive particle with a force that is directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them This statement can be represented as
 * $$F = G \frac{m_1 m_2}{r^2}$$,

where: You can find that in about any physics textbook, even a modern one. Because F depends on three variables, m, m′, and r, F does not vary with m⋅m′ by a constant multiple. Yet, they are proportional. Wolfram Mathworld states "If a is (directly) proportional to b, then a/b is a constant. The relationship is written a proportional b, which implies a=cb for some constant c known as the constant of proportionality. What is a good way to explain that other variables may be involved? We could simply say that a∝b does not imply that the only variables involved are a and b, but that is awkward. We need a citation for the definition. I've been looking for one but have had little luck. I'll improve the wording a bit. dm yers t urnbull   ⇒ talk 02:28, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * F is the gravitational force between the two point masses,
 * λ is the gravitational constant,
 * m is the first mass,
 * m′ is the second mass, and
 * r is the distance between m and m′
 * You're just confused by having seen too many examples where the inherent requirement that there are no other variables than the two (i.e., that all other variables are held constant) was not made explicit. In fact, it is implicit that distance be held constant for the first proportionality, and that the product of the masses be held constant for the second. --Jerzy•t 05:55, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Lead
In the lead:
 * i removed
 * or equivalently if they have a constant ratio
 * bcz ratio implies same units, yet for constant speed, distance and time are directly proportional despite different units, and i rem'd
 * Proportion also refers to the equality of two ratios.
 * bcz a ratio is a quantity, making the statement redundant and inviting confusion about how it could be useful. (If you have some point, show us on this talk page an example of why anyone would care; if you're right, someone will find a less mysterious way to say it.)

--Jerzy•t 06:20, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Please emphasize direct proportionality can be negative!
Since there NO charts showing negative slopes, some beginning readers might incorrectly think that direct means positive and inverse means negative.

And the examples in the inverse section also involve a negative proportion, so again, we might mislead people that don't read very closely.

Waxmop (talk) 18:36, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

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 * ✅. Petr Matas 00:23, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

removed section cleanup
I removed the following part which was party full of format issues but also some of detailed content seem somewhat inappropriate here. It might be ok for its own article though.--Kmhkmh (talk) 09:58, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Theorem of Joint Variation
'''If x ∝ y when z is constant and x ∝ z when y is constant, then x ∝ yz when both y and z vary. ''' Proof: Since x ∝ y when z is constant Therefore x = ky where k = constant of variation and is independent to the changes of x and y.

Again, x ∝ z when y is constant.

or, ky ∝ z when y is constant (since, x = ky).

or, k ∝ z (y is constant).

or, k = mz where m is a constant which is independent to the changes of k and z.

Now, the value of k is independent to the changes of x and y. Hence, the value of m is independent to the changes of x, y and z.

Therefore x = ky = myz (since, k = mz)

where m is a constant whose value does not depend on x, y and z.

Therefore x ∝ yz when both y and z vary.

Note: (i) The above theorem can be extended for a longer number of variables. For example, if A ∝ B when C and D are constants, A ∝ C when B and D are constants and A ∝ D when B and C are constants, thee A ∝ BCD when B, C and D all vary.

(ii) If x ∝ y when z is constant and x ∝ 1/Z when y is constant, then x ∝ y when both y and z vary.

Some Useful Results:

Theorem of Joint Variation

(i) If A ∝ B, then B ∝ A.

(ii) If A ∝ B and B∝ C, then A ∝ C.

(iii) If A ∝ B, then Ab ∝ Bm where m is a constant.

(iv) If A ∝ BC, then B ∝ A/C and C ∝ A/B.

(v) If A ∝ C and B ∝ C, then A + B ∝ C and AB ∝ C2

(vi) If A ∝ B and C ∝ D, then AC ∝ BD and A/C ∝ B/D

Now we are going to proov the useful results with a step-by-step detailed explanation

Proof: (i) If A ∝ B, then B ∝ A.

Since, A ∝ B Therefore A = kB, where k = constant.

or, B = 1/K ∙ A Therefore B ∝ A. (since,1/K = constant)

Proof: (ii) If A ∝ B and B ∝ C, then A ∝ C.

Since, A ∝ B Therefore A = mB where, m = constant

Again, B ∝ C Therefore B = nC where n= constant.

Therefore A= mB = mnC = kC where k = mn = constant, as m and n are both Constants.

Therefore A ∝ C.

Proof: (iii) If A ∝ B, then Ab ∝ Bm where m is a constant.

Since A ∝ B Therefore A = kB where k= constant.

Am = KmBm = n ∙ Bm where n = km = constant, as k and m are both constants.

Therefore Am ∝ Bm.

Results (iv), (v), and (vi) can be deduced by a similar procedure.

Logarithmic proportionality
The current logarithmic proportionality definition
 * $$y = k \log_a x$$

is not good, because it can be written as $$y = \log_{a'} x$$, where $$a' = \sqrt[k]{a}$$. The constant k is clearly superfluous because it can be absorbed into the base a′. Furthermore, if x is exponentially proportional to y according to $$x = k a^y$$ with $$k \neq 1$$, then y will NOT be logarithmically proportional to x, which is not nice.

I think that the logarithmic proportionality definition should be changed to
 * $$y = c + \log_a x.$$

This will correspond to the exponential proportionality defined with $$x = k a^y$$, where $$k = a^{-c}$$. Also, y will be logarithmically proportional to x precisely if x is exponentially proportional to y.

Anyway, a reliable source is really needed for this section. Petr Matas 02:34, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Equal products
There was notably the following image. It would be better to explain this incomprehensible deletion. Now it's my turn to click on "undo". Arthur Baelde (talk) 12:13, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

 * Dear Arthur, as you are fairly new here, you may not have absorbed the way things are done on Wikipedia. I deleted your contribution with the comment that it was unsourced. It is one of the pillars of Wikipedia that all contributions must be verifiable, which in this case means that it must be sourced. Unsourced material can be removed at any time– it says so at the top of every edit page. As editors, we do not just write things up, we report on what is available in the literature. While it is not always necessary to delete unsourced material when WP: NOR is violated it is fairly typical to do so. I was persuaded by the spelling errors (now fixed), awkward phrasing, and lack of clarity that this was most likely a case of OR. If this assessment is wrong, it can easily be fixed by providing the source for this material. If this is indeed your own work, you should remove it before some other editor does, just to show that you understand Wikipedia policies. --Bill Cherowitzo (talk) 17:06, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

What specific topic might require to be documented? Arthur Baelde (talk) 09:42, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

 * The whole thing. Yes, you did get the definitions of means and extremes right, but the rest of this is a circular argument. The definition of two fractions being equal is that $ad = bc$. The equality $a⁄b = c⁄d = a + c⁄b + d$ is based on this definition. Your rectangle illustrates this relation, but it is only valid because of the definition ... it does not prove the definition! You will not be able to find any documentation for this since serious authors would see through this circularity and would never write this. Please remove it. --Bill Cherowitzo  (talk) 18:44, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

 * "The definition of two fractions being equal" is a very bad beginning, obviously we suppose everybody knows the meaning of an equality. You tangle up the debate. It appears you cannot justify your undo.  Arthur Baelde (talk) 12:14, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

 * I am sorry that you do not understand the mathematical difficulty here. I have been very tolerant and have given you two opportunities to self-revert. I will now do so myself. --Bill Cherowitzo (talk) 16:48, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

 * No circular argument in my contributions. Your second deletion is as unjustified as the first one.  Arthur Baelde (talk) 14:52, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

 * I will make one more attempt to show you where your error is. You make the statement that the large rectangle is similar to each of the smaller rectangles, in particular for the sake of argument the $a$ × $b$ rectangle. Now, why is this true? You don't say, but I will assume that your reasoning might be that the corresponding sides are in proportion. Algebraically, that is: $a⁄b = a + c⁄b + d$. Why then are these two fractions equal? Well, everyone knows that two fractions are equal if the product of the means equals the product of the extremes, which is just ancient terminology for $a × (b + d) = b × (a + c)$. Now multiplying out and subtracting the common $ab$ leaves you with $ad = bc$. Thus the fractions are equal and the rectangles are similar only if this equality holds. You use the similar rectangles to "prove" that $ad = bc$, but if that weren't true the rectangles would not be similar. This is a circular argument, you are proving what you assumed to be true in the first place. If there is something you don't understand or have a question about in this argument, please ask.--Bill Cherowitzo (talk) 23:22, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

What you call the definition of two equal fractions is absolutely irrelevant. When you wrote “the definition of two fractions being equal is that …”, you allude probably to a construction of the field of rationals numbers. However, a coefficient of proportionality in mathematics is not necessarily a rational number. So your third deletion of the same section (10 edits) is as unjustified as the first one and the second one. Arthur Baelde (talk) 09:28, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Circularity issues and sourcing aside, I don't quite see what this section has to do with proportionality or how it helps to understand proportionality. To me the section appears rather alien in the article and if anything possibly confusing or irritating readers.--Kmhkmh (talk) 11:04, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Indeed, nothing here about proportionality edited by Bill Cherowitzo, who removed three times a whole section of the article, and claimed to define two equal fractions: an absurdity.  Arthur Baelde (talk) 15:46, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
 * If you agree with me that there is no helpful relation to proportionality and that the section is alien to the article, then you should agree witz Bill's removal as well.--Kmhkmh (talk) 18:35, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Bill -- thanks for thinking of me, but Purgy seems to have already taken care of the problem. Rick Norwood (talk) 17:50, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Negative constant of proportionality?
Currently, the lead and the section on direct proportionality say in a number of places that x and y are directly proportional if y/x equals a non-zero constant. But is it really conventional to call it direct proportionality if y/x is negative? Loraof (talk) 18:56, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Text has been changed requiring constant positive per convention. — Rgdboer (talk) 01:05, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Split Proportion (mathematics)
Please discuss at Talk:Proportion (mathematics). fgnievinski (talk) 18:42, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Inverse proportionality with negative k
"With inverse proportion, an increase in one variable is associated with a decrease in the other." But what if k, the constant of inverse proportionality, is negative? Perhaps one could add ", when k is positive" or something similar. 94.33.226.183 (talk) 18:20, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Proportionality studies select axis for positive constant of proportionality; similarly for inverse proportion. Text now indicates positive constant. — Rgdboer (talk) 01:07, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

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Shout (Devo album)

Shout is the sixth studio album by American new wave band Devo, released on October 8, 1984 by Warner Bros. Records.

Arriving two years after their previous studio album, Oh, No! It's Devo (1982), the album retained the synth-pop sound of their previous few records, with an extensive focus on the then-new Fairlight CMI Series IIx digital sampling synthesizer. Despite the popularity of synth-pop in 1984, the album was a critical and commercial failure, peaking at only No. 83 on the Billboard 200 and ultimately leading to Warner Bros. dropping the band from their label. Most of the band members have stated that they were not satisfied with the completed album and the band went on hiatus for four years following its release. Although Devo would release two studio albums through Enigma Records, they would not release another studio album through Warner Bros. until their ninth Something for Everybody (2010).

Production
Shout was recorded over a period of ten months between July 1983 and February 1984, in sessions that took place at the Record Plant in Los Angeles, California.

Over the course of their career, Devo had been transitioning away from using analog synthesizers. Shout made extensive use of digital equipment such as the Fairlight CMI, as well as the LinnDrum LM2, E-mu Emulator and Synclavier II. Mark Mothersbaugh enjoyed the process of sampling real instruments, as well as blending acoustic samples from the Fairlight's library with the band's synth tracks. As such, the compositional process for the band became more insular for him.

Gerald Casale has stated that Mothersbaugh purchased the Fairlight with band money and introduced it into the sessions, and that Casale reluctantly agreed to its use because he'd heard that Depeche Mode had used one. After some experimentation, Casale and other band members were dissatisfied with the results, so he suggested centering the album around the use of bass, drums and guitar, reserving the Fairlight for sequencer lines, "scary sounds" and "abstract element[s]". Mothersbaugh eventually rejected this idea, and as a result, Casale began withdrawing from the sessions.

"Here to Go" was inspired by artist Brion Gysin's theory that constant change was the meaning of life and an essential component for humanity. Warner Bros. initially rejected the album and asked that the band include a cover version, with Casale suggesting the Jimi Hendrix Experience's "Are You Experienced?".

Shout was the final studio album by the 1976–1985 line-up of Devo, with their third and most prominent drummer, Alan Myers, leaving the band shortly after the album's release. According to the book We Are Devo, Myers cited a lack of creative fulfillment as his reason for leaving the band, something that he had felt since Devo's move to Los Angeles in the late 1970s. Devo's increased use of drum machines and electronics through the years had greatly reduced Myers' role in the band, although Casale has said that he begged Myers not to leave.

In a 2007 interview with Billboard magazine, Casale stated that Shout was the biggest regret of his career, "because the Fairlight [synthesizer] just kind of took over everything on that record. I mean, I loved the songwriting and the ideas, but the Fairlight kind of really determined the sound." According to a 2005 interview with the band's guitarist, Bob Mothersbaugh, "Mark and Jerry kept saying in interviews that the guitar was obsolete and wanted to prove it with the Shout album." In 2017, Casale, in response to a question from a fan on Twitter, stated that recording the album was even "too painful to talk about."

Artwork and packaging
The album's cover photograph, taken by Karen Filter, is a head shot of Timothy Leary's son Zachary Leary (credited as Zachary Chase) on a composite background with his left hand raised by his open mouth in a "shout" gesture. The album's back cover depicts a head shot photo of guitarist Bob Mothersbaugh's daughter Alex with her eyes focused upwards and her left hand raised by her ear in a listening gesture. It's notably their first studio album since 1978's Q: Are We Not Men? A: We Are Devo! not to feature any of the band's members on the outside cover.

As with every Devo studio album, the band developed a new look for the album, eschewing the black T-shirts and slacks with white "Spud Ring" collars of the Oh, No! It's Devo (1982) period and replacing them with "Chinese—American Friendship Suits."

Promotion
The band was allotted $50,000 to make a music video for "Are You Experienced?". However, the band drew criticism that the video, which featured white Hendrix impersonator Randy Hansen emerging from a coffin, was "tasteless" and "disrespectful", which did not aid the album's reception. As a result, the band did not tour to promote the album, leading Warner Bros. to ultimately offer a termination of the band's new six-album contract in exchange for $250,000.

Despite being one of Devo's most visually complex and expensive music videos, "Are You Experienced?" wasn't included on the 2003 DVD music video collection The Complete Truth About De-Evolution (although it had been included on the LaserDisc of the same title issued in 1993). In an interview with Gerald Casale for Ear Candy, he explained:

E.C.: Speaking of de-evolution, why didn't the Hendrix estate give you permission to put the "Are You Experienced?" video on the DVD?

Gerald Casale: Further de-evolution. You understand that the consortium of people that now represent the Hendrix estate are basically run by lawyers; the lawyer mentality. Lawyers always posit the worst-case scenarios. Though that video was loved for years by anybody who saw it including the man who commissioned it —Chuck Arroff, a luminary in the music business, who still claims to this day that it was one of his five most favorite videos ever—, they [the lawyers] didn't get it and assumed we were making fun of Jimi. That's like saying "Whip It" makes fun of cowboys. This is so stupid it's unbelievable.

Critical reception
Writing for The Village Voice, music journalist Robert Christgau stated, "Marking time (actually, a computer marks it for them), they create the rock—no, new wave—equivalent of baseball's 'Play me or trade me.' I played it. Now I'm trading it."

Mark Deming of AllMusic retrospectively called it a "forgettable, slick and glossy product with all human surfaces stripped away."

Personnel
Credits adapted from Pioneers Who Got Scalped: The Anthology (2000) CD liner notes:

Devo
 * Mark Mothersbaugh – vocals, keyboards, guitar
 * Gerald Casale – vocals, bass guitar, keyboards
 * Bob Mothersbaugh – lead guitar, vocals
 * Bob Casale – rhythm guitar, keyboards, vocals
 * Alan Myers – drums

Credits adapted from the original album's liner notes:

Technical
 * Devo – producer, graphic concept
 * Bob Casale – engineer
 * Ed Delena – assistant engineer
 * Mike Shipley – mixing (tracks 1–9)
 * Steve Marcussen – mastering
 * Jim Mothersbaugh – technical assistance
 * Will Alexander – programming consultation
 * Al Horvath – additional Emulator programs
 * Bill Wolfer – additional Emulator programs
 * Vigon Seireeni – art direction
 * Karen Filter – photography
 * Effective Graphics – computer graphics
 * Zachary Chase – cover kid (boy)
 * Alex Mothersbaugh – cover kid (girl)
 * Clacton and Frinton – Devo's Chinese—American Friendship Suits

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wiked Wood

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was DELETE. Postdlf 05:19, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Wiked Wood
non notability - ad Melaen 00:08, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Nothing but puffery.  Not surprisingly, no AMG entry.  Postdlf 00:11, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment -- I made the page Neutral-Point-of-View, so it's more "factual". However, it seems to be one of those "high school bands" as I'd call it, since their official site is Tripod. MessedRocker 00:14, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. The original author also modified horrorcore to add a list of bands (including Wiked Wood and Playaz Lounge Crew, both on VfD today) of which none appear on AMG (the change has since been reverted).  --Dachannien 00:55, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. The fact that someone so obviously intimate with the band has so little to say about them suggests how non notable this entry is -Phantym 04:37, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Leave Article. Wiked Wood is a well known underground horrorcore group in Philidalphia, PA. I was actually the one that put them up with a bunch of other great underground acts from this genre. Someone did not look up their facts right about Wiked Wood, because if they had they would know that Wiked Wood has a huge fanbase and also is shown love by horrorcore fan sites such as www.realjuggalettes.com, www.hallsofillusions.com, faygoluvers.net and many others! Playaz Lounge Crew is actually in the underground psychos contest held by Psychopathic Records and is considered to be the top contender and on their way to becoming one of the biggest things in horrorcore! The other groups I listed in the horrorcore section, also all have successful careers. Don't let the age of these youngsters fool you! These guys are the real deal! With or without being in the AMG! Horrorcore is about being underground! I am out!!!!! Peace! And have respect... (preceding unsigned comment by  69.248.177.100 04:44, 2005 Jun 10 (UTC)) (according to edit history. Uncle G 15:19, 2005 Jun 10 (UTC))
 * Delete non notable. JamesBurns 06:28, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. 18 Google hits? That suggests the facts aren't worth looking up. Too obscure and non-influential to be worth an article. Average Earthman 06:43, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Band vanity. A fifteen year old and a thirteen year old well known underground in Philly? Not likely. --bainer (talk) 08:00, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * A 15-year-old and a 13-year-old who have been performing together since 2002. I shudder to think of a 10-year-old rapper.  RickK 19:35, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Mild Keep While I wonder why something self-described as "underground" could have an entry anywhere as anything other than historical or sociological note, this is a group with it's own web site and following. So what if I've never heard of them and never would - this is not a paper encyclopedia and not restricted to what lots of people know.  As to "notable" - I've seen it said that something is notable if it's in Wikipedia and it is here so it is notable: i.e. it requires a better reason than "not notable" to be removed.-Snorre/Antwelm 14:25, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment OK, a lot of pages gets deleted for `band vanity`. Please tell me whats the go with U2 then ? Im not a band player, nor a fan. Lets give these kids a go, as long as the articles are not NPOV etc.. -Snorre/Antwelm 14:25, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. Uh... U2 is a multiplatinum-selling band that's been around in the global music scene for decades, frequently selling out venues on their tours. Are you implying that their track record is in any way on the same level as these amateur "rappers"? jglc | t | c 16:40, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Please review WP:MUSIC. The band needs to meet those criteria.  RickK 19:35, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * something is notable if it's in Wikipedia — That's a faulty circular definition that most Wikipedia editors realize to be faulty. Uncle G 15:42, 2005 Jun 10 (UTC)
 * Keep. Other paper encyclopedias would have this as a foot note as best, with an online encyclopedia devoted to being as broad ("all human knowledge" - Jimbo Wales) as is possible I see little reason why this could not have it's own article. --ShaunMacPherson 12:38, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. This doesn't require a better reason than non-notability, as Wikipedia is in the business of putting factual information out on important events, phenomenon, etc. If these guys are good, they'll probably make it big in a few years, and then they'll get an article.  Until then, however, this article is likely to be of little use to anyone. --Scimitar 13:12, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:VAIN and/or lack of WP:MUSIC. Radiant_ >|< 13:13, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * ``Keep``` Non-notable? Defined by people who haven`t heard of them? I wouldn`t have if it wasn`t for this vote. Lets keep it, so that when/if they get _big_ we already had something on them. PS: Something should be done with the history section though; Still sounds like rambling. -Snorre/Antwelm 13:22, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * This user's second vote on this topic.
 * If the band becomes significant, then it will merit an article. Wikipedia deals with what is known now, not what may be.  I don't get an article just because, some day, I may be the president.  The same is true of start-up bands that haven't actually achieved anything yet. Uncle G 15:42, 2005 Jun 10 (UTC)
 * Delete Band vanity and nn --Lord Voldemort 13:49, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 100% KEEP!!! Just like Insane Clown Posse and Twiztid this group deserves the same amount of exposure! This encyclopedia covers everything so why should underground acts not be kept! I looked Wiked Wood up and indeed there fan base big! They are not just a "highshool" band!" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.43.67.130 (talk • contribs) 14:15, 2005 Jun 10 (UTC) (according to edit history. Uncle G 15:19, 2005 Jun 10 (UTC))
 * Google: "Wiked Wood", results: 16 pages found. When I took out all the pages that were just different sections of their official site, I got 5. Wow. Five. Big fan base there. And by the way, you used the wrong "there" in your comment. You should have used "their." Matjlav 20:01, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Wikipedia is not a means for obtaining "exposure" for your band. Wikipedia is not an advertising billboard. Uncle G 15:42, 2005 Jun 10 (UTC)
 * Keep. it's all legit ive been a bunch a juggalo sites and they have a link in just bout all of them. they have solid fan base in philly which I can prove since im a fan myself [female dog]! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.43.67.130 (talk • contribs) 14:21, 2005 Jun 10 (UTC) (according to edit history. This user's second vote. Uncle G 15:19, 2005 Jun 10 (UTC)) (Refactored comment in brackets that could be construed as a personal attack.)
 * Keep. Some of the best music does not have to be in the AMG guide allot of it is "underground". So, their official site is published by Tripod (so what???!!!) they still own a domai name and their fanbase is a high quanity checked (hallsofillusions.com) a fansite for this genre and indeed they were listed as being a "real" group. All in all this is an encyclopedia covering everthything just becuase you may not know exacly who these kids are does not mean you can say nobody else does! Just as big as Jumpsteady in my mind and Jumpsteady does not even have a site!" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.43.67.130 (talk • contribs) 14:29, 2005 Jun 10 (UTC) (according to edit history. This user's third vote. Uncle G 15:19, 2005 Jun 10 (UTC))
 * No evidence that this band meets the WP:MUSIC criteria. Delete. Uncle G 15:42, 2005 Jun 10 (UTC)
 * Delete --Xcali 15:53, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong delete; I'm a big hip-hop fan, located in northern Delaware, and I follow the local scene. These guys are utterly and wholly unnotable. jglc | t | c 16:14, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Generally, notable bands aren't defended by sock puppets, because a) more than one real person cares about them, and b) sock-puppets have a low life-expectancy, and burn in wiki-hell when they die. --Scimitar 17:32, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per Lord Voldemort. --FCYTravis 18:07, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete: The fury with which these folks are fighting speaks eloquently for their not having any notability. I don't think that U2 would care if they were mentioned here, because they're well known.  On the other hand, fictional and desperately feeble bands scream bloody murder over any possibility of a delete vote.  The reason is that they're using Wikipedia for advertising, which, of course, is against the deletion policy.  This isn't even to get to the issues of verifiability or notability. Geogre 18:25, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete: Delete per Lord Voldemort and Geogre. The copious amounts of slang used in the article makes it feel somewhat suspicious to me too. Scott5114 19:24, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, scokpuppet limit has been exceeded. RickK 19:32, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Vanity, and a surplus of anons. --Carnildo 21:07, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Does not meet WP:MUSIC, sockpuppet parade. A и D я 01D  TALK  EMAIL  22:04, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. No evidence of discography or anything that shows compliance with Wikimusic project guidelines. Capitalistroadster 22:37, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, although this edition of sockpuppet theater has been entertaining. -- BD2412 talk 23:07, 2005 Jun 10 (UTC)
 * Delete Do we need every damn rap "music" group from podunk's bio here? No! Hohokus 23:25, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Here's a simple rule: if a band has no mass media exposure, is formed by non-notable musicians, and is only a couple of years old, it's obviously not notable. No, I take that back -- it's not a question of notability. It's a question of HTF are we supposed to keep track of the thousands of minor bands that are born every single year? Isaac R 02:00, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Definitely looks like a very amateur garage band not worth noting on a worldwide encyclopaedia... Matjlav 02:05, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete I agree with Matjlav its just vanity. Falphin 01:34, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delte Anon IP has voted wayyy more than once, probably sock-puppets involved and nothing to even show it has notability. Sasquatch′↔Talk↔Contributions 06:30, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, bandcruft. Alphax τεχ 11:12, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * DeleteNo music or lyrics released ("We do not make lyrics available 4 the public." from their website), not notable on the "scene", no awards, no indication that even their friends have listened to their music. Best of luck to them. If they actually do release something some day, they can come back and create a new page! --Habap 18:43, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages.  Please do not edit this page .


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Larry Brantley

Larry Wayne Brantley (born October 30, 1966) is an American voice actor and a former stand-up comedian and radio spokesman, best known as the voice of Wishbone, a Jack Russell Terrier who was featured in a PBS children's television series. Brantley, who went to Conroe High School, specializes in character voices. He was also a voice actor on the animated project for children called Boz the Bear, and voiced Corporal Franklin Paddock in Brothers in Arms: Earned in Blood. He was also a volleyball coach in McKinney, Texas for a team called "The Straight Aces" and "Orange Crush". He currently stands as a cast member at Medieval Times Dinner and Tournament in Dallas.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SE Share-A-File

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was DELETE. Postdlf 05:20, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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 * Delete If Wiki needs software tools, we don't need to download them from some unknown. Apparently a variety of "type: Vanity, Student, one each". Fabartus 02:40, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 *  Delete non notable, Vanity. -Phantym 04:40, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, if only because it has a direct link to an .EXE file - anyone could do this and link to a virus. The program is NN too. Jamyskis 10:22, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, non-notable, vanity. Aecis 13:18, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 *  Delete vanity, potential danger (virus) -Snorre/Antwelm 14:11, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I've removed the external link. Aecis 14:15, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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 * Delete nn --Xcali 15:54, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Non-notable vanity. Nestea 03:46, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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Grand Marais, Michigan

Grand Marais is an unincorporated community and census-designated place (CDP) in Alger County in the U.S. state of Michigan. It is located within Burt Township on the shores of Lake Superior, and the community is the eastern gateway to the Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore via H-58.

History
The name Grand Marais (French: great marsh) is a reference to the large, shallow harbor. French explorers and fur traders from the time of New France used the word "marais" to mean "harbor of refuge" as well as "marsh."

A breakwater was later built that extends from the bay into Lake Superior. The Grand Marais Outer Range Light is at its end, and the Fresnel lens is still operative. It is one of only 70 such lenses that remain operational in the United States; 16 of these are in use on the Great Lakes, eight of which are in Michigan. Many controversies in the little town relate to the costs of dredging and breakwall-repair operations to keep the harbor functioning. See Grand Marais Harbor of Refuge Inner and Outer Lights.

Grand Marais was one of five U.S. Life-Saving Service Stations established along the coast of Lake Superior between Munising and Whitefish Point in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. It was part of the U.S. Life-Saving Service District 10 (later part of District 11). The other four Life-saving Stations were Deer Park, Two Heart, Crisp Point Light, and Vermilion Point. In 1915, these stations became part of the U.S. Coast Guard. In 1939 the U.S. Lighthouse Service also merged under the control of the U.S. Coast Guard.

The community was home to the Grand Marais Air Force Station from 1954 to 1957. The station was part of the Air Defense Command, and provided general surveillance radar along the northern frontier of the United States.

We Hear You America contest
Grand Marais, with a population of about 300, gained national attention early in 2011 when it became the leader in a national contest sponsored by Reader's Digest. Visitors to the We Hear You America web site had the opportunity to "cheer" for any community in order to win recognition and cash prizes. Grand Marais' harbor was officially deemed a Harbor of Refuge because it was the only lifeline a sailor had along the dangerous shipwreck coast of Lake Superior. Years of neglect had caused deterioration of its harbor breakwall, allowing sand to fill in, but the cost to repair it seemed prohibitive. Grand Marais attained 1,281,724 "cheers" and won the top municipal first prize of $40,000 in the contest, as well as notoriety for its plight in a Reader's Digest article.

Geography
Grand Marais is the northern terminus of M-77. Seney and the Seney National Wildlife Refuge are to the south.

Demographics
As of 2020, its population was 234.

Arts and culture
Grand Marais is a four-season tourist destination. Snowmobiling is popular in the winter, and swimming, hiking, boating, kayaking, agate collecting on the beach and fishing are among the summer activities.

Points of interest and events include:
 * The former United States Coast Guard Life-Saving Station, which now serves as a ranger station. The Coast Guard radio operator here had the last communication with the SS Edmund Fitzgerald before she sank during a storm in 1975, with all hands lost. The former keeper's quarters of the station were adapted to house the Grand Marais Maritime Museum.
 * The Pickle Barrel House Museum (1926).
 * The Au Sable Light, which is listed on the National Register of Historic Places.
 * Muskallonge Lake State Park.
 * Sable Falls, west of Grand Marais.
 * The Gitche Gumee Agate and History Museum.
 * The Lake Superior Brewing Company operates a brewery and pub at Grand Marais.
 * In mid June, the harbor at Grand Marais is the site of the annual sea plane fly-in, hosted by the Grand Marais Pilots Association on behalf of the National Seaplane Pilots Association.
 * In mid July, the Great Lakes Sea Kayak Symposium is held at the harbor. This multi-day event attracts sea kayakers from around the country. It is billed as "the largest and oldest sea kayaking symposium on the Great Lakes."
 * During the second weekend of August the town of Grand Marais hosts a music and arts festival, showcasing folk and rock music as well as local art.

The Michigan-born writer Jim Harrison (1937-2016) had a cabin in Grand Marais where he would come to relax and write.

Education
Burt Township Schools is the local school district.

Highways

 * has its northern terminus in the community just north of the intersection with H-58.
 * is a county-designated highway that runs east–west through the community.

Airport

 * Grand Marais Airport is a general aviation airport.

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Neopryn
vanity - sillyness Melaen 00:11, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Vanity.  Speedy if possible!  --Dachannien 00:59, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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User talk:Yakobbokay

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Just thought I'd let you know, you accidentally replaced the vandalism on snooker. Here --Wildnox 00:06, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
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J. H. Rush article
You are probably right. However, I removed the speedy tag because the article did have an assertion of notability. You must understand that CSD A7 was designed so that we could quickly deal with articles along the line of "Bob is a student at Hicksville School. HE ROCKS.", not so we could quickly get rid of every article that fails to meet the notability criteria. If you feel that the article does not meet the notability crieria proposed deletion and AfD are still available. Dsmdgold 11:39, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

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Can you say what this molecule is? -unsigned —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.233.235.38 (talk) 22:06, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

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User talk:Nagytibi

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Vandalism
Szia! Bejelentettem itt. Adam78 23:20, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Re:[[Budapest]is
Akkor jó; kösz, hogy visszaállítottad. Az interrogációdat az anonim editek revertjéről negligálnom kell: fogalmam sincs, és az angol help szisztéma oly komplikált, hogy koncepcióm sincs, hol kell megcsekkolni. Gubbubu 10:02, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Good then, thanks for reverting. But I'm phobic I must negotiating your interrogation about reverting anonym edits, I have no idea, and because of the maximal complicatedness of english help system I have no conception about that where I could check it. Gubbubu 10:02, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

User categorization
Hi! You can add yourself to the Category:Wikipedians in Hungary if you want to. :) Alensha 16:50, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

RfC against 86.105.71.34
Hi Tibi,

I'm putting together an RfC against anonymous user 86.105.71.34, who I think has engaged in several types of misconducts on Wikipedia, especially on Transylvania, Romania, Republic of Moldova, Romanian language. I'm writing to you because you attempted to solve one or more of those issues on the user's talk page. If you endorse this RfC, or have anything to add to the statement of dispute, please sign and share your comments at Requests for comment/86.105.71.34. Thanks, IulianU 00:05, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Nagytibi, could you weigh in at Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/86.105.71.34? -- Jmabel | Talk 18:44, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Municipiul in Hungarian
Szerbus Tibi! I'm currently working on a Romanian localities project for Wikipedia, both Romanian and English versions, and as you know, in Romania there is a law that states that all localities where an ethnic group makes up over 20% of the population, the language spoken by that group becomes a working language of local government. There are various localities in Romania that meet this requirement in regards to the Hungarian language. Due to this, the name on the infobox must be in both Romanian and Hungarian, as at Salonta or Oradea. So - I would like to know what the word for "Municipality" is in Hungarian. In Romania, Municipality is a status given to larger towns. The Romanian name is "municipiu". Currently, at the Salonta page there is "Municipiul Salonta" and just "Nagyszalonta". It needs to read "Municipality of Salonta" in Hungarian. Thanks, Ronline 07:56, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi! Thanks for following this up. So, from what I gather - is it OK just to list the Hungarian name of the city without "municípium"? In public administration here (correspondence from the City Hall) I have seen just "Nagyvarad" - that's why I asked! Ronline 06:39, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Hungarian wiki message
Thank you for the greeting at the Hungarian wiki. I probably will only use that account to add interwiki links, but I am thankful for the welcoming. In case you are unaware, Halibutt is going through the administrator vote process. I believe that any input you could provide would be valued. Olessi 07:53, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

iWiW
Then can you please put the link http://index.hu/tech/net/orkut0603/ on the article so it asserts its notability? Though the source is in Hungarian, it's okay. See WP:WEB for more info. Thanks. -- Perfecto 00:36, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Collaboration
Azért írok neked, és még két-három magyar wikipédiásnak, mert szeretnék vmi szervezkedést elindítani a magyar történelemmel illetve a határon túli magyarsággal kapcsolatos oldalak ügyében. Úgy látszik, apró eredmények eléréséért is nagy harcokat kell vívni a szomszédainkkal, akik rendszerint sokkal jobban szervezettek, felkészültebbek és öntudatosabbak nálunk, így a történelmünket érintő cikkek vagy gyatra minőségűek vagy elfogultak vagy egyszerűen elhallgatják a nekünk kedvező tényeket. Kicsit fáradt vagyok már az állandó magányos csatározástól (bár a legérzékenyebb témákat eddig elkerültem) és jól jönne néha a segítség. A wikipedia azon az elven működik, hogy a sok-sok szerző egymást állandóan javítva, korrigálva, egymással vitatkozva jobbítja a cikkeket. Úgy tűnik, mi túl kevesen vagyunk ahhoz, hogy ez természetes módon, tudatos szervezkedés nélkül működjön. Ha van vmi ötleted vagy csak néha benéznél egy-egy felforrósodó topikba, előre is köszi! Üdv. Zello 03:16, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Translation request
Hey Tibi,

I need a bit of help from a native speaker of Hungarian. We are putting together a portal page for the Romanian Wikimedia local chapter at http://www.wikimedia.ro, and would like to have the text in as many languages spoken in Romania as possible. Could you translate the following bit of text into Hungarian, please?

Imagine a world in which every single person is given free access to the sum of all human knowledge. That's what we're doing. And we need your help. Wikipedia in Hungarian

(it's actually Wikimedia Foundation's slogan. Well, we'll work out something more substantive later :-) )

Thanks! Iulian U. 14:31, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Timea Vaginavoelgyi

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thanx for cleaning up hungarian-related articles. ♥ ♥ ♥ Gubb   ✍  22:23, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Deleted edits
Thank you. Could you also tell me how I can know the article that was deleted after being edited by me?Loom91 13:45, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

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Talk:Medieval commune

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This was an interesting article; I'd never heard of medieval communes of this sort before. Harkenbane 00:13, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure this is an article worth keeping--the above user may have not heard the term because it's original research or otherwise unsubstantiated. This struck me as a candidate for merging or deletion. Paul 03:48, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I wrote most of it and can provide citations. "Medieval commune" is just a way to disambig from "commune", which has many broader modern meanings. It can certainly justify its own article, the title doesnt impart original research, any more than "medieval science" is original research. Stbalbach 04:29, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Perhaps a good place to begin to take the bloom off one's perfect innocence in this area would be to Google "medieval commune" and read a little bit about the phenomenon called the "rise of the communes". Why not? ...but how could one actually arrive at any opinion one way or the other under the circumstances, one wonders?  --Wetman 07:38, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Fair enuff, although I think the language of the article needs to be more encyclopedic. Also, there could probably be a more specific category for the article. I would attempt to fix the article but my knowledge of the subject is not extensive enough. Paul 18:59, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Since the communes of Central Italy and the Po valley arose about the same time as those in the Low Countries, to suggest priority would be invidious, and to divide the story in two would lose information, perhaps the normal heading "Medieval commune" as it appears in titles of articles etc could stand. --20:37, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Proposed edits
Making some changes, explaining rational here:

--Stbalbach 16:42, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) or with an entrepreneurial spirit - I think the word entrepreneurial contains modern assumptions that wouldnt hold true for the medieval period.
 * 2) where examples provided Henri Pirenne with a thesis he too widely applied - this is an interesting aside and opinion that perhaps many (but not all) may agree with, but Im not sure Henri Pirenne's thesis, and the debates therein, is directly relevant to communes to warrant a mention. Perhaps theres some connection here im not aware if so it needs expansion.
 * 3) re-ordering of sections (physical protection first) and integration of repeated origin material.

Another change: Removed the statement "England never saw much of the commune movement because it was by comparison a pretty well-run kingdom and did not need local protection forces" as being a general assumption with no basis; or an inaccurately expressed statement.SaraFist 05:24, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

 * speaking of Henri Pirenne there is very little about Flanders or the Low Countries in this article and they are arguably as important as Italy, much more should be added — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.1.191.34 (talk) 15:16, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

That's only half of the story
A few assorted thoughts: This article seems to focus almost exclusively on the development of towns, and describes a "medieval commune" in very narrow terms ("allegiance of mutual defense"). It also seems to focus on the situation in northern Italy only. It completely neglects the development of medieval rural communes, which not so much arose out of defensive needs but equally from a need to collaborate to manage the commons. Besides, in times of a weak government, communes typically formed to ensure the safety on the roads (Landfriede) on their territory to enable commerce. Perhaps the most successful such medieval community was the one in the alpine valleys north of the St. Gotthard Pass: it later resulted in the formation of the Old Swiss Confederacy. But this is by far not the only one. See Städtebund for some communes amongst cities. Besides the Swiss, there were similar alpine, rural communes in Tyrol, but these got quenched by the House of Habsburg. Other such rural communes developed in the French Alps (Briançon), in the Pyrenees, in northern France (Forêt de Roumare), in northern Germany (Frisia and Dithmarschen), and also in Sweden and Norway. The colonization of the Walser also is related. The southern medieval communes most probably were influenced by the Italian precedent, where the communal movement was a rural affair very early on (it went well beyond the Lombard League of cities in the 12th century...), but the northern ones (and even the Swiss communes north of the St. Gotthard pass) may well have developed concurrently and independently from the Italian ones. And then one should not forget the Golden Bull of 1356, which effectively outlawed any such communes. Some key words to search for: Eidgenossenschaft, Bundesbrief (most hits for this term will be for the Swiss acts of allegiance, either the 1291 one or one of the later ones (there were many), but some hits will also be for acts of allegiance of communes in northern Germany), confederatione(s), conjuratione(s), universitas or universitates (the last three being latin terms used at that time to (self-)describe this form of self-government). Note, however, that only very few of these medieval rural communes ever attained reichsunmittelbarkeit (where they would have been subject only to the king/emperor); most still remained subjects of some more or less distant liege lord. Lupo 12:54, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Lupo, I've simply pasted your notes into the article with minor cleanup. We can proceed from here. --04:08, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
 * —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wetman (talk • contribs)

 * Darn. It's not really encyclopedic language. I posted it here on talk because I don't really have the time to properly research this in depth, and just tacking on a section on "rural communes" doesn't really solve the problems of this article. It needs a thorough rewrite. For the time being, I have rephrased it some to make it read more like a real encyclopedia entry and moved the "search key words" to a "see also" section. Lupo 06:50, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Another useful search term is "communal movememnt", although most English-language hits will be for the town development. Lupo 09:10, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

 * The Dictionary of the Middle Ages article on this is 10 large double-columned pages long, there is a lot to say. I originally wrote the article for a "general audience" (general audience encyclopedia?) just to get a quick idea of what it is and why it was important, but I guess invariably we enter the realm of the specialists and the depths of detail, so I moved the 7-11 version to Simple (which someone has since tagged as being not simple enough *sigh*). The DMA is a good source, it's already been condensed into Encyclopedic form and vetted by the specialists - it does say there are not many general sources in English, most are specific studies in French and German. --Stbalbach 14:47, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Wetman, why did you just revert my changes? Your revert replaced a clean text with my utterly unencyclopedic ramblings above again (which even directly address the reader, a big no-no for a good encyclopedia article) and furthermore removed two references. If that had been done by a less respected or known editor (say, an anon), it would have been considered plain vandalism. If you don't like the "see also", you should have rephrased and worked them into the text yourself. (I have done so now.) That revert was just despiseable. Lupo 07:01, 27 April 2006 (UTC) (P.S.: The direct question ("What did it mean for a commune member to defend another?") in the text should also be rephrased.):

 * I've made a mess, once again! --Wetman 08:40, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

The correct word is COMUNE and not COMMUNE
The word "Commune" does not exist as such, the exact word is COMUNE, that's why Wikipedia is not reliable, because it tries to anglicize medieval italian words of which it completely ignores its meaning and history. You can't change COMUNE into Commune because only a simple guy without any relevant cultural background could do that. That's why Wikipedia is condemned to self destruction because it's a dictatorship of ignorant deaf people and not a "free encyclopedia" made by people in the know. Shame on you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.7.20.63 (talk) 10:46, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Of course the Italian word is comune, but this is the Wikipedia in English and if you look into any English language dictionary you will discover that it is spelled with two M’s. Try reading some medieval history in English, and you will discover that this spelling (of the English word, which translates both the Italian comune and the cognate French term commune) is used by historians who are far from simple, far from common, and highly knowledgeable about medieval Italian history. Ian Spackman (talk) 13:12, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Horseradish
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Proposed merge with Communalism before 1800
Same topic. Septrillion (talk) 00:09, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

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The Beacon Pub
non notability - vandal Melaen 00:13, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Bwah! Delete. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson 02:10, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete as patented nonsense. --Sn0wflake 02:40, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete as patent nonsense. Patent it too!  Nice Horse though! I've added the Nonsense tag if any Administrators look in! Fabartus 02:47, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy. -R. fiend 03:52, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not a meaningful article -Mysidia 04:24, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment Are we sure it is patent nonsense? Isn't The Beacon Pub the name of the horse? Perhaps it is notable in that community.  If the name of the horse is The Beacon Pub then I don't think the article is nonsense...possibly non notable, but I don't know that it is particularly harmful either. -Phantym 04:44, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedily deleted. If you can't make heads or tails of it, then it is Patent nonsense (WP:CSD#1).  If you can make heads or tails of it, it is a very short article with little or no context (WP:CSD#1).  Speedy either way.  SWAdair | Talk  06:01, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.


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Aide (deity)

Aide is the Basque numenistic deity of the air. She could manifest herself in both good (gentle breeze) and evil (storm wind) forms.

title: Aide (deity)