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Encyclopædia Dramatica

 * For the prior VFD discussion of Encyclopedia Dramatica, now a redirect to this article, see Votes for deletion/Encyclopedia Dramatica.
 * The decision was to delete basing on nonnotability. The page has been recreated without undeletion procedure. No new proof of notability is provided. Therefore the page is candidate for speedy deletion, and I am labelling it as such. mikka (t) 21:07, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * But this isn't Encyclopedia Dramatica. That page was recreated as a redirect.  Perhaps that's the one you want to speedy? --Badlydrawnjeff 02:20, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * A trick with changing a single letter will not go. It is still a candidate for speedy. mikka (t) 16:55, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * What's your grudge mikkalai? Did ED write an article about you? It's your VfD, and then you put in on the speedy delete track? And in the meantime you keep editing it. I'm beginning to question the good faith of this nomination. SchmuckyTheCat 02:19, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I put it on CSD according to the rules. I love this website. I love humour. I myself created an article about humor, which was under VfD, by the way (Russian joke). The real problem with rules is that one is very reluctant to follow them if it is against their likes. This is exaclty the case. I nice website, but sorry folks. 16:55, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * It is my habit to work on improving articles even if they are VfD. I even have a case I voted a page for deletion, then edited it, and this helped it to survive VfD, even though I was very insistent about its deletion (Votes for deletion/Muliebrity). (I am not bragging; I am writing this in hope to prove that I am impartial in the issues of deletion.) mikka (t) 17:02, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * del. non-notable. original research. mikka (t) 00:30, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * moderate keep, wikicruft CAPS LOCK 00:51, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * no matter what cruft, it does not pass very basic criteria. mikka (t) 00:54, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Conditional Keep - assumes Wiki takes other websites as arty topics. When I checked this, someone had vandalized by inserting an attack as the bottom third of the arty.  I moved that to talk. Fabartus 01:19, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete WP is not a web guide. Alexa rank 249,325 Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd  01:55, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikipedia is not a web directory. If this is kept, avoid self-references needs to be applied. A и D я 01D  TALK  EMAIL  02:23, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. I hate to reference Google as Google isn't exactly an unbiased source, but if it's got a pagerank of 4/10, that means it's of interest to a significant number of people.
 * Like many others, unsigned vote by Almafeta. Hedley 02:37, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Few Wikis matter and this one doesn't. Hedley 02:36, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep More notable than half a dozen other wikis that have pages on wikipedia. This page has been in a stable state for quite a while before being vandalized at a stretch today.  I'd probably just go back and revert the whole thing. SchmuckyTheCat 03:04, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep I noted on May 15 that Encyclopædia Dramatica had over a million page views. Since then, there have been another 200,000 page views. There seems enough public interest to merit inclusion. The Wikipedia self-reference is easy to remove if that's considered a problem. --Aussieintn 03:40, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I've removed the link to the Wikipedia article (Avoid self references). It seems to me that the other mention of Wikipedia should stay because it is historical and explanatory, and would make sense in other contexts (e.g., a mirror, a fork or in print). --Aussieintn 12:26, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Note:User's 9th edit, most of the other 8 are to the page in question.
 * Keep. Looks notable enough to warrant an article. 23skidoo 15:09, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. If this is being deleted for whatever reason, I'm curious as to what level of notability it has to reach, given the ever-growing amount of articles and ever-rising Google rank.  In my mind, even I couldn't really justify having it on WP 6 months ago, or even arguably 3. Now, though, I think it's reached a level of notability that is consistent with other arguable keeps. --Badlydrawnjeff 16:43, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep- has source and verifiable. Flcelloguy 17:03, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but I still don't see where the supposed self-reference was. There never was a self-reference. There is a relationship between Wikipedia and the Encyclopedia Dramatica, so there's no way and no need not to make Wikipedia talk about itself in this case. 2004-12-29T22:45Z 17:48, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * . Linking to a particular user of Wikipedia and using the "User:" syntax to refer to the user is a self-reference; it was there when I made my vote. Note that I did not use this as an argument for deletion, only as a suggestion for article improvement in the event of a consensus to keep. A и D я 01D  TALK  EMAIL  17:57, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * What's wrong with the self-reference? I don't care about the guideline about self-references. In this case, the guideline should not be applied, because it's important to mention User:Girlvinyl to show that there's a relationship between Wikipedia and the Encyclopedia Dramatica. After all, it's User:Girlvinyl who created the Encyclopedia Dramatica. The article should mention that the Encyclopedia Dramatica was, at least initially, created by the user to criticize Wikipedia as a result of flame wars in the talk pages. That's an important aspect about the Encyclopedia Dramatica that should not be left out, even if Wikipedia users don't like the criticism of their encyclopedia. 2004-12-29T22:45Z 18:16, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * Sure, Girlvinyl should be mentioned, but not Wikilinked or referred to as User:Girlvinyl. Ignore the guideline all you like, but "these references complicate forking and the use of Wikipedia articles by others" certainly applies here. A Wikipedia mirror will not necessarily have a User:Girlvinyl to link to. User space should never be linked to by article space. A и D я 01D  TALK  EMAIL  18:25, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * Why should we care about sites that copy the Wikipedia articles? If those sites copy the article, and they don't have the User:Girlvinyl article, because they don't have a User: namespace, then that's the problem of those sites, but not the problem of Wikipedia users. In my opinion, the hyperlink to the User: namespace should also be added. I don't see why we should change that just because other sites copy the Wikipedia article. Those sites should just eliminate the hyperlink if they don't have a User: namespace. Besides, if those sites create forks from Wikipedia, it's their problem, and not a problem for us Wikipedia users. 2004-12-29T22:45Z 18:36, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * Then we should agree to disagree. I think it's a good guideline – mirroring Wikipedia is a Good Thing™ and it should be as painless as possible. If you feel that strongly about it, take it up at Wikipedia talk:Avoid self-references. A и D я 01D  TALK  EMAIL  18:48, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * Hey, I like that "we should agree to disagree" oxymoron. If what you don't like is mentioning User:Girlvinyl as User:Girlvinyl, then we can just leave out the name of the namespace User: by adding a vertical bar after User:Girlvinyl, so that only Girlvinyl appears. It would look like this: Girlvinyl. I mean, if that's what you don't like about it. I don't see why removing the hyperlinks would be a "pain" to other Web sites that copy the pages. If they have computer programs that can copy Wikipedia articles en masse, then they could just as easily have a computer program that removes the broken User: hyperlinks automatically. It's their problem if they can't automate the process. 2004-12-29T22:45Z 18:36, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * The appropriate place to discuss this issue is at Wikipedia talk:Avoid self-references. 22:30, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. If there are entries for Something Awful, Portal of Evil, and Fark, no reason why there shouldn't be one for ED.  -hx 2/06/05 etc etc

 * Keep. I think it has become sufficiently notable. Masked Angel 19:14, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Note: User's 14th edit

I am totally baffled: now an internet thing may be judged notable with so small number of google hits? Also, how can it be anything but original research if no solid independent references are present? I have nothing against the site: I like jokes and humor very much, but people, isn't your judgement skewed here? mikka (t) 20:15, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC) --Jats 02:10, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * So what would it need to achieve to make you believe otherwise? What size Google rank?  What kind of information? --Badlydrawnjeff 20:38, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * It needs an information from an independent authoritative source. You cannot just open an arbitrary webpage, and write a wikipedia article to describe what you see there. Wikipedia in not catalog of websites. I can write a separate article about each linden tree along Unter den Linden. Wikipedia articles should be based on secondary sources: the main reason is that wikipedia is not in the business of peer review and correctness of information in an article cannot be guaranteed by article's author: this proof is relayed to outside sources.. mikka (t) 21:25, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * So if I insert information from, say, places that reference ED, your opinion changes? --Badlydrawnjeff 16:13, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete drini ☎ 20:37, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete on the same grounds as before. It's growing faster than I expected, but still not noteworthy enough for an article.  5000 Google hits for an "internet phenomenon" isn't much, and the Alexa rank is around 250,000.  Come back in a few years. --Carnildo 21:06, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * So how many Google hits are worthy enough for you? We've kept many other phenomenons with lower Google ranks, as you well know. --Badlydrawnjeff 02:06, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 5000? I get 8,940 using "encyclopediadramatica" and 6580 for two words, and even above 6000 using the Æ symbol. I essentially re-wrote the Unpedia (or whatever it is) article replacing Unpedia with ED. Putting Unpedia on VfD would be begging the point but it sure shows some bias towards "approved" wikipedia satires. SchmuckyTheCat 02:19, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. So, how did this go from VFD to Speedy? hydnjo talk 22:00, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Please read the top of this page. mikka (t) 16:55, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Could someone please explain why they want to delete this article in the first place? It makes no sense to me. "Non-notability"? What kind of garbage is that? 2004-12-29T22:45Z 22:25, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:NOT and WP:VAIN. Radiant_* 11:17, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete with extreme prejudice. — Phil Welch 23:07, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. NeoJustin 02:59, June 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Neutralitytalk 02:20, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. 2004-12-29T22:45Z 02:11, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and rewrite. — Instantnood 05:02, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nothing gives me a reason to change the previous vote. Vegaswikian 05:40, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, notability not established. Radiant_* 11:17, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, as before. Or speedy it even. — Xezbeth 11:19, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, and rewrite, observing NPOV. We may not like it, but it is a part of our Internet community, and we as Wikipedians cannot ignore what we don't like Antares33712 17:06, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC).
 * Who says we don't like it? But me liking my girlfriend is not a reason to write a wikipedia article about her. mikka (t) 17:18, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Is she as notable as ED? --Badlydrawnjeff 17:35, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Which ED?... Of course, she does not have a million views, but plenty, I assure you. mikka (t) 18:01, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Please, Wikipedia has a GNAA article. ED has way more relevancy. --Weev 22:21, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Disregarded. User's sole contribution. mikka (t) 22:25, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * That's debatable. Anyhoo, GNAA has been nominated four times, but (unfortunately, IMO) survived every time. A и D я 01D  TALK  EMAIL  22:34, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. It doesn't hurt anything by being here, as long as it is a NPOV, I don't see why it can't stay. It's just an entry about another wiki. See Antares33712's comment above. How much space is it taking up on the server, is it enough to warrant it's deletion?--Azathar 02:51, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. I think it's probably just notable enough, as long as it's kept NPOV. Nightwatch 17:57, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, looks notable.  Grue   12:18, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Seems popular enough but some things in the article should be removed because of NPOV
 * Keep Appears notable Falphin 01:30, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Appears? Google search results for "encyclopedia dramatica" fit into a single screen. mikka (t) 02:23, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Howland Center, Ohio

Howland Center, also referred to as simply Howland, is an unincorporated community and census-designated place in south-central Trumbull County, Ohio, United States. The population was 6,351 at the 2020 census. A suburb consisting of unincorporated urban portions of Howland Township, it is part of the Youngstown–Warren metropolitan area.

History
In 1620, John Howland landed in Plymouth, Massachusetts aboard the Mayflower. A descendant of his, Joseph Howland, purchased the township from the Connecticut Land Company in 1795. The first settler arrived in 1799, and Howland Township was organized in 1812. A sawmill was constructed in Howland in 1814, with a gristmill constructed the following year. Circa 1830, Howland Springs began operation as a health spa; it operated in the township until it burned in 1882. The Howland Local School District was formed in 1917 from the consolidation of five one-room schools. The township was sparsely populated until 1953, when the Clifton-Hyde housing development was built. The township has seen sustained growth since that time, as the nearby cities of Warren and Youngstown have suburbanized the township.

Geography
According to the United States Census Bureau, the CDP has a total area of 4.0 square miles (10.5 km2), all land.

Demographics
As of the census of 2000, there were 6,481 people, 2,462 households, and 1,925 families residing in the CDP. The population density was 1,605.9 PD/sqmi. There were 2,565 housing units at an average density of 635.6 /sqmi. The racial makeup of the CDP was 95.45% White, 1.67% African American, 0.06% Native American, 1.57% Asian, 0.02% Pacific Islander, 0.17% from other races, and 1.06% from two or more races. 0.80% of the population are Hispanic or Latino of any race.

There were 2,462 households, out of which 32.3% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 66.9% were married couples living together, 8.4% had a female householder with no husband present, and 21.8% were non-families. 19.6% of all households were made up of individuals, and 7.6% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.60 and the average family size was 2.98.

In the CDP the population was spread out, with 23.8% under the age of 18, 6.0% from 18 to 24, 25.6% from 25 to 44, 29.5% from 45 to 64, and 15.1% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 42 years. For every 100 females there were 95.6 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 92.6 males.

The median income for a household in the CDP was $52,317, and the median income for a family was $59,485. Males had a median income of $42,278 versus $29,232 for females. The per capita income for the CDP was $24,180. About 1.2% of families and 2.0% of the population were below the poverty line, including 0.8% of those under the age of 18 and 5.5% of those ages 65 and older.

Education
Howland is served by the public Howland Local School District, which includes Howland Springs Elementary School (grades PK–K), Howland Glen Elementary School	(grades 1–2), Mines Elementary School (grades 3–4), Howland Middle School (grades 5–8) and Howland High School (grades 9–12).

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'Early' and/vs. 'Individual' computers
Categories of Computers

I added the Early Computers category to EDVAC, and someone removed it. I don’t mind that, because of the way the Early Computers category is currently defined. However, I think that we need to address some problems.

Currently “Individual computers” includes the early one-of-a-kind computers, plus some newer ones and “early computers” includes machines that were made in larger quantaties. I think that someone looking for the earliest electronic computers (ENIAC, EDVAC, EDSAC, IAS, etc) would expect them to be in the “Early Computers” category. They wouldn’t think of looking for “Individual Computers”. Yes, someone could get to the rest of the early computers listed under “Individual computers” - if they knew the name of one of them, but they might not know. If someone found “early computers” they would miss the pioneering computers.

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(1) Categories of “Early one-of-a-kind (or unique) computers”, “Early mass-produced computers”, and move the non-early individual computers to another category. (2) Keep “individual computers” category defined as it is and rename it to “unique computers” or “one-of-a-kind computers”, rename “early computers” to “Early mass-produced computers”, and create the “Early one-of-a-kind (or unique) computers” category, and put the early unique computers in both “individual” and “early unique”. (3) A broad “Early Computers” category, with two sub-categories - one-of-a-kind and mass-produced. (4) “Early Computers” could include all early computers, one of a kind or mass produced.

Finally, as far as what constitutes “early”, I’d say before the IBM 360 (in 1964). --Bubba73 00:32, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * After thinking about the issue (me being the 'someone' above), I agree with you that the current naming scheme of these categories is highly problematic; in general, we certainly need to define and name WKP categories in the most commonsensical-logical way possible.

 * As for your suggestions I think the second one might be the best, but the term 'mass-produced' would be quite unprecise---since most early non-individual computers were manufactured in very low numbers, typically, say, some tens of machines. I therefore suggest we use the category name 'Early serially-produced computers'. BTW, the term 'unique' might be sliiiightly imprecise, due to the identical name a job control language of 1970s vintage, but I guess the mix-up possibility would be minuscule if at all existent. Perhaps we should go with 'individual' after all (or 'singular'?).

 * (Also, your definition of 'early' corresponds quite accurately with the one used so far; the S/360's introduction year seemed a reasonably good dividing line due to the general obsolescense of the concept of (even intravendor-designed, including, of course, IBMs own) incompatible systems that it inaugurated.) --Wernher 03:42, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Thank you for your useful comments. "Individual" computer just doesn't capture what the category is about, since any particular computer is an individual computer. At this point I don't know anything about redoing categories, so I'll leave that up to someone else, and I hope to get more feedback too. Bubba73 02:38, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * After yet more contemplation regarding the category names, I now tend toward favouring "Early on-of-a-kind computers" and "Early serially-produced computers". Some 'research' using Google suggests that the "one-of-a-kind" term is the only one of our options that unambigously describes the machines in question. As for the other category, the variation without the hyphen is by far the more common term---but that may well be due to the ubiquity of U.S. English documents on the web as compared with the number of British English ones (?). Tell me what you think. --Wernher 10:20, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I just notified the "Individual computers" category's creator about our discussion, in the hope of obtaining his agreement to a speedy renaming of that category (to, say, "One-of-a-kind computers"). If we aren't able to get his attention (he hasn't been contributing since 9 months ago), we have to list the category at the Categories for deletion page, specifying that we want the category to be moved/renamed rather that just deleted. As for the practical work of renaming as such, we can do it ourselves (I'm an admin).

 * Now, if we succeed with this, we'll have two top-level cats: "Early computers" and "One-of-a-kind computers". We then have several alternatives for cat'ing the machines in question. The simplest one might be to put the one-of-a-kind early computers into both those cats, and simply leave the serially-produced early computers as is in the "Early computers" cat (thus basing our cat scheme on the implicit fact that computers generally are serially/mass produced). Other alternatives would entail the creation of various numbers of subcats. --Wernher 07:33, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I think that "one-of-a-kind" should be hyphenated, but I'm not certain. Another possible catagorization could be "first-generation electronic computers" (vacuum tumes) rather than just "early".  And then they could be broken down into one-of-a-kind and serially produced.  And then the discrete transistor computers could go under "second generation".

 * One slight problem with the 1-of-a-kind versus serially-produced, is the case of ORDVAC and ILLIAC I. They were twins, so does that count as serially-produced, even though they have different names?  Some of the serially-produced ones had as few as three units, I think.

 * I think we should go forth with the following scheme for the time being: A) we'll rename 'Individual computers' to 'One-of-a-kind computers' and see to it that all the early computers now present in the 'Individual computers' cat are also put into the 'Early computers' cat (i.e., contrary to the present inclusion criteria for the two cats in question, but instead just like you argued in the beginning of this thread); B) as I indicated in my previous comment, we'll not create a separate cat 'Serially-produced computers', since all non-one-of-a-kind machines are, by definition, serially-produced ones.

 * The reasons I think we should perhaps avoid having "generational" categories of computers are that it would force us to decide on this quite controversial issue for each and every early computer; also, it entails using that scheme for more recent machines, for which the issue of a computer belonging to one generation or the next is usually even more hotly contested (as are indeed the very definitions of the generational spans during the last 30 years or so). --Wernher 2 July 2005 21:13 (UTC)

 * Your suggestions sound good to me.  Bubba73 3 July 2005 00:00 (UTC)

 * Thanks; now let the world know: please vote YES to have the renaming done! --Wernher 3 July 2005 00:27 (UTC)

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Ping Pong Ball Theory
Looks like a clever vanity page. Not enough information to verify. Joke137 00:34, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Searches on google are mimimal - 25 hits, and most of them, except mirrors of Wikipedia itself, are not relevant to black holes. -- Natalinasmpf 01:21, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, theory makes no sense as well. Might have been writen by somebody with no grasp of how black holes function. humblefool® 02:22, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, and refer to peer review. I've skimmed this before, and someone should be able to destubify it.
 * Vote by Almafeta. Hedley 02:31, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Possibly vanity, possibly original research, doesn't matter anyway. Hedley 02:31, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep as Stub|Physics with a Clean since is a little terse, and so unclear. Author cites reference (Book) so an appropriate scientific lit. search should generate a corrobatory paper (or five) for easy article elaboration/expansion.  This is exactly the kind of new sci-theory arty that meets notable status, since only cosmologists and theoretical physicists would otherwise become familiar with the general knowledge this effort attempts to sketch for those of us in the land of the blind (with scant cosmological accumen). This years wikistub could lead to next years top sci-fi story because someone saw such an arty.  Wiki could do worse things! Fabartus 05:03, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * That would be true if it weren't made-up. No Andrew W Ross has published a paper in particle or astrophysics since abstracts started being stored in the spires and ads databases, around fifteen years ago. I could only find one paper, unrelated and from 1984, with ping pong in the title. No luck finding the book on Amazon. Google scholar doesn't turn up a thing. Joke137 13:40, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete nn. Wikipedia is not a repository for ideas or original research.  It is an encyclopedia.  --Xcali 06:20, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete There is no evidence this theory exists in earnest. Google only brings back content that references back to Wikipedia, so there's no established presence of it at all on the web.  Ross has no books/articles for sale on Amazon, which would be atypical for an established physical sciences academic promoting a theory.  A search of physics websites yielded two references to his name...one in association with a physics hoax affair called Sokal's Hoax and another in an online physics newsletter Virtual Physics.  Both disparage Ross' academic competence (and we cannot be sure this is even the Andrew Ross being referenced in the article).  Unless somebody can show a verifiable sources that this is legitimate, I'm afraid it appears to be bogus.Tobycat 06:46, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is garbage, folks. No journal citation given, and the phrase "black hole's quantum structure" used in this context is rank nonsense. -- Decumanus 06:53, 2005 Jun 2 (UTC)
 * Delete. No evidence. May as well take a look at Trip Ross while we're at it. Looks like vanity and by the same anon that did this one. hydnjo talk 15:52, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Possibly hoax theory. Also probably vanity. Nestea 17:01, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Quale 18:58, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete drini ☎ 20:38, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Appears to be original research. --Carnildo 21:10, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete unless verified. — Phil Welch 23:09, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete unverified and probably nonsense. --Etacar11 23:32, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)d
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chap lap

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. CDC  (talk)  23:11, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Chap lap
Mon-notable derogatory neologism. User:Luigi30 (Υσηρ ταλκ ΛυηγηΛ) 00:38, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete drini ☎ 01:42, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedily delete this as disruption of Wikipedia. DreamGuy 05:01, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete - or move to bad jokes pages. Non-notable: Practice not widespread enough to be culturally significant, slang dicdef if anything; non-encylopedic and unprofessional tone. Fabartus 05:07, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * speedy --Xcali 06:17, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * speedy --Dvyost 07:23, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete. Jamyskis 10:53, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. No evidence. hydnjo talk 15:58, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete- non-verifiable. Flcelloguy 17:05, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. NeoJustin 02:59, June 3, 2005 (UTC)
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USS Conway (DD-507)

USS Conway (DD/DDE-507), a Fletcher-class destroyer, was the second ship of the United States Navy to be named for William Conway, who distinguished himself during the Civil War.

Conway was laid down 5 November 1941, launched 16 August 1942 by Bath Iron Works, Bath, Maine, sponsored by the wife of Captain Frank E. Beatty, U.S.N., Naval aide to the Secretary of Navy in part of the largest mass launch to that point in the war shipbuilding program and the largest in Maine's history in which five British Ocean type freighters, the Liberty SS Ethan Allen, USS Cony (DD-508) and Conway were launched. The ship was commissioned 9 October 1942.

1943
Conway cleared Norfolk 5 December 1942 for Nouméa, and Efate and arrived 13 January. She put to sea 27 January as her force sailed to meet Japanese ships evacuating troops from Guadalcanal. On 29 and 30 January, her force came under heavy enemy air attack in the Battle of Rennell Island. Conway splashed several enemy planes, and rescued survivors of USS Chicago (CA-29). Throughout February, she patrolled between Espiritu Santo and Guadalcanal, and between 4 and 6 March, participated in the bombardment of Vila Stanmore and a shipping sweep of Kula Gulf.

From 10 March 1943 Conway had patrol duty and conducted training from Efate. She sailed from Efate 15 June in support of the Rendova landings, escorting supply ships, then had the same duty for the New Georgia operations, and conducted bombardments of Kolombangara and Munda. Between 26 July and 12 August, she operated out of Purvis Bay, escorting fueling units and making night raids on Japanese shipping "up the Slot". She sailed from Purvis Bay 13 August to take part in the Vella Lavella operation, escorted LSTs and supply ships in to the beach, and then took up patrol north and west of the island. She returned to Guadalcanal 30 August escorting transports carrying the First Marine Raiders, and until 12 September conducted night raids on enemy barges off Guadalcanal.

After overhaul in the Fiji Islands and at Sydney, Australia, Conway returned to Southwest Pacific operations in October 1943. On 27 October she participated in the initial landings in the Treasury Islands, and then in landings on Choiseul. She supported the landings at Bougainville on 29 October, and until 10 February 1944, she continued operations in support of troops ashore on Bougainville, escorting reinforcement convoys and firing on shore targets. Between 11 and 17 February, she participated in the landings on Green Island, then returned to her Bougainville operations.

1944
Between 28 February 1944 and 17 March, Conway bombarded targets in New Britain and New Ireland by day, and conducted searches for enemy shipping by night in the waters off these islands, and until 4 May, continued operations in the Solomons on escort duty, patrol, and in exercises with cruisers.

On 8 May, at Majuro, Conway joined the 5th Fleet. She sailed from Majuro 14 May for Pearl Harbor and Kwajalein, where she loaded troops for the Saipan operation, landed them 15 June under heavy gunfire, and served as close fire support and screening vessel off the island. After replenishing at Eniwetok, Conway joined in the preassault bombardment of Guam and Tinian, remaining to cover the landings at Tinian. She continued to operate in the Mariana Islands campaign until 12 August, when she cleared for San Francisco and overhaul.

Conway returned to Ulithi 21 November 1944 to join the 7th Fleet. She put to sea at once to patrol in Leyte Gulf, join in an antishipping sweep in Camotes Sea, and fire in the bombardment of Plompon and Ormoc Bay. After replenishing at Kossol Roads, Conway covered the Mindoro landings, then patrolled west of Mindoro in the Sulu Sea until 23 December, when she put into Manus.

1945
Conway sailed again 31 December for the initial landings on Lingayen, Corregidor, and Parang, and continued operating in Philippine waters until June 1945. On 7 June, Conway sailed from Subic Bay in the distant covering group for the Brunei Bay operation. She covered minesweeping and fired in preassault bombardment at Balikpapan, guarded an underwater demolition team as it prepared the beach, and conducted bombardment during the actual landings. She rested briefly at Leyte. and then took part in the landings at Saragani Bay, Mindanao.

With the close of the war, Conway began patrolling east of Leyte Gulf, and supported minesweeping operations in the Yellow Sea, visiting Okinawa and Qingdao. She put into Jinsen, Korea, from 20 to 24 September 1945, and then sailed in the South and East China Seas as flagship of the forces lifting Chinese troops from Indo-China to Formosa and Manchuria until 29 December, when she sailed from Shanghai for San Diego, New York City, and Charleston, arriving 13 March. Conway was placed out of commission in reserve 25 June 1946, berthed at Charleston.

Post war
Conway was recommissioned at Boston 8 November 1950, following her conversion to an escort destroyer (DDE-507). After training, she departed Norfolk 14 May 1951 for Sasebo, arriving 15 June. She escorted a convoy from Shandong to Manchuria, participated in hunter-killer exercises off Okinawa, and screened Task Force 77 (TF 77) off the coast of Korea. Between 14 and 28 October, Conway fired in bombardments at Kolgochi-Ri, Hodo Pando, Hungnam, and Wonsan, and patrolled in these areas. She departed Sasebo 31 October for the Suez Canal, crossed the Mediterranean and the Atlantic, and returned to Norfolk 20 December.

Conway operated from her home port at Norfolk on coastwise and Caribbean training operations and on 16 September 1953 sailed for her first North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) exercise, in the North Atlantic, continuing to a tour of duty in the Mediterranean with the 6th Fleet, returning to Norfolk 8 February 1954. Her training concentrated on antisubmarine warfare, and in 1955 and 1957 she returned to the Mediterranean, in 1957 patrolling the eastern Mediterranean and the Dardanelles during the crisis in Jordan. In the early fall of 1957, she visited ports of northern Europe while joining in NATO exercises, and from January to March 1958, tested new antisubmarine weapons off Key West.

In April 1958, Conway put to sea with TF Alfa, a group experimenting with antisubmarine tactics, and through the remainder of 1958, 1959, and 1960 spent most of her time at sea with this force. In June 1960, she visited Quebec City, Canada, and in December of that year participated in the rescue of survivors of a merchant tanker which had broken in two off Cape Hatteras.

Conway reverted to DD-507 30 June 1962.

The Conway was deployed in Wes Pac Vietam from July 1966 through December 1966.

Conway was stricken from the Naval Vessel Register 15 November 1969. She was sunk as a target 26 June 1970.

Awards
Conway was awarded 13 battle stars for her World War II service and two for Korean War service.

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