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User talk:Niteowlneils/Archive5

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who are you to decide who is known or not?
if you were living in quebec you would certenely know cobaye molotov, but since you dont even taketime to inform yourself other than by google, it is evident why you miss the whole point, there is a real world outside the internet and the wiki's [unsigned from User:67.68.229.20 Jan 11, 2005].

Thank you
I had a pleasant surprise waiting for me to discover. You've used an article that I created (and User:Vaoverland helped with information on the equipment's use in passenger service) as an example of good Wikipedia style in Annotated article. I didn't see it until I was checking the "What links here" link on the Flatcar stub that I just added today. Maybe now I should consider putting it up as a Featured Article candidate? B-) slambo 21:10, Jan 11, 2005 (UTC)

Another Thank you
I am flattered you saw our work as an example. I left a reply at User talk:Slambo. Mark in Richmond. 21:46, Jan 11, 2005 (UTC)

Amused of North London
Hi. Just taking a moment away from the non-WP work I'm doing at the moment to refresh my watchlist and I see that a selection of my recently-created pages have been edited. Then realise that they were done by one person and by you, so recognise that I should say hello! (and thanks for spotting a number of typos I'd left around). --Vamp:Willow 23:26, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Re:Curious Chinese customs
No, I didn't notice it. Thanks for bringing this up.

I googled this text and discovered it to be "From the 'Canton Register,' the first English Newspaper published in China" dated 1828. The information seems outdated, Anglo-centric, bordering on racist, and probably unreliable. "great imperial ceremony of knocking the forehead on the ground thrice three times..." "...pray for felicity towards some domestic idol"

Some of it's factual (i dont know to what extent), I think it's too old and biased to be of any use. I would support deletion. --Jiang 01:41, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Hello Muddah from a puppy
Neils, thanks for the update to my new article Hello Muddah, Hello Fadduh. I didn't realize that the topic was THAT fresh, but apparently it is. Cool. Now I'm sure it was ok to give the song its own topic separate from Allan Sherman.

I notice you're involved in deletion wars and stub expansions -- more power to you! (I don't think I'd get into that, I'd rather show off my writing. But I'm grateful for those who do.)

Regards, Steverapaport 02:29, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Punctuation
Thanks for copyediting many of the articles I wrote on West Africa. Please note, however, that there is no need to change list punctation to US-style (A, B, and C) as British-style (A, B and C) is equally acceptable on Wikipedia. Warofdreams 10:56, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * You may be interested in the article on the Oxford comma. It is a bit of a generalisation to claim it is British v U.S. English, but it is common in the U.S. and often considered correct, while it is rare in British English and often considered incorrect.  It looks very odd to my eyes, unless it is needed to clarify the meaning of the sentence or to indicate that the last item in the list is of a different nature to the others.  I hadn't realised that the Manual of Style suggested its use, but I'd suggest that - at the very least - there is no need to change it in articles written in British English.  Warofdreams 10:32, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

couch
Thank you. I feel like a dolt; I hadn't even realized I'd failed to capitalize Darius Couch's name. Thehappysmith 20:10, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Wrong title & redirect & delete?
Re: Verandah Porsche v. Verandah Porche

OK, so I click on a link with a with a mispelling, and create a new page, then spot the mispelling and move the page. What was wrong with moving the page to one with the proper spelling, then flagging the page with the mispelling for quick delte, if I first changed all the linked pages to the new page with the proper spelling? Just asking. I don't understand why you deleted the quick delete flag if I had fixed all the underly9ng page links? Now its a redirect for a wrong spelling. ??? --Cberlet 03:08, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the very clear explanation you sent me. :-) --Cberlet 04:48, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Confusion over Agnes Dunbar
I'm a bit puzzled by why you added a redirect to the page on "Agnes Dunbar 4th Countess of Moray" (note no comma) to the version with the comma, since the former version has no links to it and was marked for speedy deletion. -PatGallacher 00:45, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Bandit cleanup follow-up
Great idea regarding those redirects, especially in light of the fact that the Bandit is now making positive contributions! I might do a few myself, time allowing since I'm liable for the creation of most of them in the first place. Do you have any specific redirects on your plate that you were were planning on fixing?

Geography stubs
Hi - good to see so many new articles originating here! Just a note that you seem to be putting or  on a lot of them, when there is a better category - , which is for places, buildings (and school districts!) in the US. Grutness|hello? 06:02, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * The same is true with places in the UK (like Christ Church Meadow, Oxford), which should get . Please?  Grutness|hello? [[Image:Grutness.jpg|25px|]] 00:13, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

San Jose, California
Great job. I would still like to get that City Council box out of there, especially since all of the links are red. I wonder if we could create a separate stub page and put the box in there? RickK 20:45, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd like to see it go, too, but there's no way I could support the article for FA with that red-link box in it. RickK 21:07, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)

How about San Jose, California city government? Or City government of San Jose, California? RickK 21:24, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)

Works for me. RickK 21:56, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)

 * OK, I voted. Happy now? ;-)  BTW, last week I was up in the Adobe towers and took a lovely late-afternoon shot of downtown san jose with the convention center, tech museum, theater, fairmont, all overlooked by Mt Hamilton with a dusting of snow--at least I hope it's lovely but it's still on an incomplete roll of film in my camera. I'll try to find an excuse to finish out the roll ASAP so maybe we can get that shot into the article, too. Elf | Talk 05:37, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

United States move
When you voted to support, you may not have realized that it is also being proposed to move United States (disambiguation) → United States. That is, the page United States would become a disambiguation page.

Can you please clarify at Requested_moves whether you are voting in favor of only one or both of the proposals? -- Curps 23:40, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

More Bandit follow-up
I gotta tell ya, I couldn't be more pleased to see this person finally come around. Real, constructive and useful edits...who'd a-thunk it? I only wish s/he would either establish an account or contact us as an anon. In any event, I think the matter is finally closed, thank heavens. See you 'round the Wiki! - Lucky 6.9 01:56, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Table of contents
Hi, I just saw your changes to in-yer-face theatre. I'm wondering why it is preferable to have the table of contents  after  the main body of the article. If, for some inexplicable reason, what you did is in accordance with Wikipedia policy, then I'd prefer having no table of contents at all. All the best,  14:26, Jan 26, 2005 (UTC)

 * You say that "the manual of style indicates there should be an intro before the first header." As you may realize, and as I've already pointed out above, the "intro" in this case is no intro but the main body of the article, the definition. What follows is only a quotation and a list of names.

 * I'm not going to follow pointless rules. But, rather than being banned for insubordination, I'll suppress the TOC. :)  16:10, Jan 26, 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, just for once I've decided on the easy way out and removed the table of contents. I can see the idea behind the rule you are referring to, for example in longer biographies, where the first header would be something like "Childhood and adolescence" and you would get a brief summary of the person's life before that, by way of introduction.

 * I'm one of those people who question rules when they don't like them, and next time I'll start a discussion on the manual of style talk page.  16:21, Jan 26, 2005 (UTC)

Geo-stubs again
(replying to your post on User talk:Grutness): Hi Neil, Fair enough. There has been a lot of proliferation in the geo-stubs area - which is why there's been a move to "granularity" there. It's only on geo-stubs. Almost all of them are in the form "Country-geo-stub", so memorising them shouldn't take huge amounts of time, really (a full list is at the top of Category: Geography stubs). As far as I know Canada is the only country with a separate bio-stub. The granularity has a good reason - up until a month ago the Geo-stubs category has over four thousand stubs in it - it was a mind-boggling task to try to find stubs if you were looking for one particular country. Now, thankfully, it's down to about 1200 (once it's below 1000, I'll stop making new subcategories... it should take about four more). It is good that you and others are putting geo-stub messages on, and they are definitely better than no stub at all - I think what's going to need to happen is for me (or someone) to go through all of Category: Geography stubs once every couple of weeks to sort out which of the new ones need to go elsewhere. Grutness|hello? 05:39, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * PS: I think the one for radio and TV is Template:Station-stub. Grutness|hello? [[Image:Grutness.jpg|25px|]]

So you can teach an old dog new tricks ;) Good to hear you've started using the regional geo-stubs! Keep up the good work! Grutness|hello?  06:23, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Dawson's Creek, Again
Salve, Niteowlneils! Saw your revisions to the DC article. The lead was one objection when I put it up for FAC. I really didn't know what more to say then, so I didn't touch it. Yours is a good summation of my rather long article. I do thank you for putting pictures up. That's not something I know how to do--or am able to, using the public library's computers to work. I a long time ago put this on requested pictures but nobody responded. And thank you for fixing my spellings. I see mistakes perfectly well on paper--they leap out at me--but I just can't see them on screen. Ave! PedanticallySpeaking 16:07, Jan 31, 2005 (UTC)

 * Salve, Nitowlneils! I don't quite understand the objection to red-links some have raised. So there's no article.  All that could be contributed on many people would be a stub and even people that ought to have more (e.g. Joshua Jackson) are inadequate.  I created stubs for most of the supporting cast and a couple behind the scenes people (e.g. Joanna Kerns).  I did turn the list of guest stars into prose but there's not much that could be done for lists of writers and directors.  As for articles on the characters, the reason I even put them in as links was when I got to the article there was a longf rather rambling article on Joey Potter, since cut down, and so put links to it and others.  I'm about to go now and I'll look at your comments more another time.  Ave!  PedanticallySpeaking 19:27, Jan 31, 2005 (UTC)

Virginian Railway
You said to remind you in a month or two about possibily putting this article up as a fac, What do you think? Other possibilities are Auto Train (Amtrak) and the related autorack article, and William Mahone. BTW, I see Dawson's Creek is coming along! Vaoverland 13:03, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)

Dawson's Creek
I believe some of the filming was done here in Richmond, Virginia at the University of Richmond I recognize the campus in some scenes. According to the U-R news here, the most recent campus shoot was an episode of Dawson's Creek in 1999. Vaoverland 13:29, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)

removing spaces in headings
Is there any special reason you're removing spaces in headings (like "== See also ==" to "==See also==") and in lists ("* item" to "*item"). Many editors, like myself, find the wiki-code much more readable when the spaces are there. Certainly both are acceptable and equally render the article the same, so why go through and remove them? -- Netoholic @ 20:18, 2005 Feb 4 (UTC)

VfD
Hi Niteowlneils,

You're welcome. I think a lot of people forget that this is a volunteer gig, and anyone with 15,000 edits is probably here because they want to make Wikipedia a better place. "Assume good faith" is actually a pretty good primary rule for Wikibehavior, imho. By the way, you have one great collection of resources and links on your user page. Best wishes, Antandrus 01:36, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Virginian Railway
It feels like we set a new record for timing on a failed nomination. In and out in a week flat! Anyway, I'll take the suggestions to heart. On review, I have to agree that content-wise, the article is too much about building the railroad, rather than a more balanced overview of the whole life-cycle. I fear that shortcoming is classic for some of my work, i.e. getting too focused on details and losing the bigger picture. I have a lot more content available to balance it out, once the building story has been condensed or perhaps spun off into a separate article. I went to Library of Virginia today, and am onto some more information for a number of articles I have been working on so some new factual sources is good. A goldmine of information in a huge new building. Staff was very helpful, and we found a bug in their computer program which is why I could not get to some of the stuff on-line! I hope the rejection is not Raul being unhappy with me in some way. I have been working hard to add good content. I have also have had good interaction with several other editors recently, and we've been adding good quality content to articles in my areas of interest. With my health and other family problems at home, I get my feelings hurt (too) easily. Anyway, thanks for the nomination, and let me know if I can help on any of your projects, etc,. Yours in Richmond, Mark Vaoverland 00:14, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. I think I can do better with the Virginian Railway article with proper attention. I have been watching Dawson's Creek re-runs on TBS mornings, but don't feel I have the depth to write well about it. We lost cable connection for a couple of days due to an ice storm, which is why I was missing in action first of the month.

William Mahone
I wanted to mention a couple of things about William Mahone. 1. I would love to learn more about Otelia B. Mahone, his wife. The State Library may be a resource. 2. I did not list the slave ownership under Trivia (or at all). Some other contributor did that. I was unaware of that aspect of his life, (if it is even correct, which it might be.) I will verify it while doing other research, but I am far too sensitive to race relations here to call slavery "trivia", even if it was part of a way of life which is (and has been) "Gone With the Wind." His father died in early 1855, and was a man of substance, so he may have inherited slaves. His mother lived about 7-10 more years, and died before the Emancipation Proclamation went into effect.

Knowing what I do of Little Billy, there is little doubt in my mind that his arranging the funding for the teacher's college (which became Virginia State University) and Central State Hospital (for black mentally-ill people) was mostly if not entirely political, and only incidentally philanthropic. I have tried to be gracious in crediting that to him, largely following the lead of The N&W: A History author E.F. Pat Striplin. We are editors, right? FYI, the reality is that Mahone's political power was dependent upon newly-enfranchised black voters, and the state's interest in the A.M, & O was sold for 10% of face value in 1881. Mahone and his associates had every intention of buying it back, (it had been under his control until financial panic of 1873). He needed the state's equity share as cheap as possible to pull off the deal to refinance the rest of the debt. Striplin stays silent on that part, but obviously promising that the proceeds from selling the state's share would go for the school and hospital was the means to that. What messed up his plan was another bidder was willing to pay even more than he had put together and he was unprepared at the auction for the surprise higher bidder. (Why?: The higher bidders were primarily interested in going after coal, which is where the potential big bucks were, and owned a lot of land in that area. Mahone was more focused on the general shipping interests of many types while running a railroad). So, that is why I am a weak in praising or presenting strongly his contribution to creating VSU. He is not an icon there. In contrast, William Jackson Palmer kicked in a lot of money to what is now Hampton University for no "apparent" personal gain. He is highly regarded there, although never a Virginia resident, and in fact, he moved west. Oh well, enough rambling. I found out this a.m. that WP has Cyrus McCormick (inventor of the reaper and founder of International Harvester Corp.) born in the place. I'll work on that. Thanks for staying in touch. Vaoverland 04:21, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)

UPDATE: I spent the afternoon as the Library of Virginia. Bonsai!! I was able to read over some rare docs that cannot be checked out, and I have 8 books including Blake's Mahone etc. for 28 days. About half are about Virginia localities I have been writing articles about. I will gone up on Mahone before trying to make more changes in that article and several related ones to get a better feel for the facts. Blake is cited as the source for many other places where information is found. So far, quick scanning does not reveal anything more about his mysterious middle initial (or lack thereof). As this has only come from one source, I will remove that one piece of unverified information from the article and the one on his wife ASAP. I should have verified more throughly before using it. We can always add it back if it turns out to be factual. If he did have the middle initial, he definitely didn't use it much, and apparently, neither did his opponents.

I also got access to some handwritten notes in manuscripts collection on William N. Page from a 1890 interview done by someone researching the Page family, which was one of the FFV's (founding families of Virginia). Nothing major, except some additional information about education and verification of the fact I unearthed earlier that most of the early iron and coal companies he worked for (1873-1889) were owned by British interests associated with Dr. David T. Ansted. No wonder he built his home in Ansted, West Virginia. The overseas money funding business enterprises was not unusual in Virginia after the Civil War. British and Scottish investors bankrolled Mahone's railroad expansion after the War also.

Well, off to the books! Vaoverland 05:48, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)

Intro pages
Thanks for adding more links. I was trying to advertise as widely as possible. I'm not personally advocating any changes, but since others have tried to make them, I think a consensus is needed one way or the other. The worst method would be to make the changes haphazardly. Isomorphic 17:59, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Guide entry
''Obvious pranks or "tests" (content is just "blah" or "so and so (or such and such) rocks!") on new pages (click on the page history link if you're unsure), should be flagged by adding to the article, so it can be speedily deleted by an admin/sysop. There are some other reasons an article may qualify as a candidate for speedy deletion.''
 * I would like it if the use of or  is encouraged in newbies. It is easier for an admin, at least for me, if people state their reasons obviously. Mgm|(talk) 10:54, Feb 14, 2005 (UTC)

FOAF
I think the computer program FOAF should be separated out, into "Friend of a Friend {computer program}" or something like that, to differntiate it from the saying, which would have an italicized note at the top saying For the social-networking programl see .... The current combination is very awkward. What do you think? - DavidWBrooks 15:28, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

NYC subway stations
Why did you change all these disambigs? It is useful to have a category of all of these, and it helps me make sure I make them all. I guess I won't be making any more of these, just the normal disambiguated articles. --SPUI (talk) 21:44, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Oh, and please tell me how 23th Steet (New York Subway) is not a speedy. --SPUI (talk) 21:46, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

By the way, thanks for fixing the redirects (not sarcasm). --SPUI (talk) 22:01, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thank you!
Just a quick "thank you" for voting me for admin. Now all I've got to do is find out how to use these worrying new powers... Grutness|hello? 06:03, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

User Friendly
Thanks for your formatting changes on User Friendly. Having reviewed your changes, I agree that they improve the layout.

The only explicitly copyright material are the images, which are authorised provided that the copyright information is attached. The article does not commit any GFDL violations, as images are not covered by it, except where the author of the picture decides to do so.

I look forward to speaking to you again.

Epideme 22:25, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

It appears I owe you some thanks for greg as well. Epideme 22:43, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Re: Bay Area Rapid Transit FAC
For infrastrucure, I was thinking primarily of some of the track sections that are elevated. The last time I was in the area (jeez, nearly 18 years ago now!), I remember seeing elevated sections around Berkeley. However, infrastructure to me also refers to repair and maintenance facilities, but these are much harder to gain access to for photography. slambo 11:55, Feb 20, 2005 (UTC)

WP:CP
No reported copyvios for TWO WEEKS?!? wtf?
 * The page got doubled. I'm going to try to fix it. --rbrwr± 22:14, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * ...and a little over 24 hours later, I'm done. --rbrwr± 23:18, 22 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Did You Know?
I have one that might be good for Did You Know? It is School bus yellow. I couldn't find how these are nominated, etc. Can you advise, or suggest it if you feel it is appropriate? I don't feel strongly about it, and don't want to spend much time pursuing this, but it might be an eye-catcher for younger readers and teachers. I have started watching DC reruns on TBS mornings. Getting hooked on Joey and Pacey and even Grams!!  23:40, Feb 25, 2005 (UTC)

Once again, you deliver on a request promptly and put that extra unrequested effort into it. In that spirit, I went back and put in some more facts about the manufacturers who participated in the National Standards Conference and added three more links. I also have been working to add to SLAMBO's Pioneer Zephyr article. I know he was a little discouraged by WP:FA failure of our collaborations on autorack and Auto Train. Have you considered whether your annotated autorack article might be a good one for FA? Raul (and other FAC reviewers) might embrace the concept of getting how to write/edit WP article right of there in front of everyone. Its a relatrively inetesting subject with your red additions that make it not too hard to read and follow. I'd being willing to nominate (and would like to) if you concur. Ogf course, after defending bad changes in the Battle of Hampton Roads during 24 hours it was on the main page, I can see why you might not want the annotated version subject to such intense publicity and editing. Whew!

One I have been working on (largely because of my own interest) which you might enjoy is Lost Counties, Cities and Towns of Virginia. I have some comment on teh talk page which you also might find interesting. You mentioned new employment, I hope that is going well. I went down to the new Library of Virginia and got some some rare docs on William Mahone and also found information and checked out several obscure books and state docs with info on some of Virginia's "lost" cities in Hampton Roads. Thanks again. Vaoverland 10:21, Feb 26, 2005 (UTC)

Vaoverland update
Greetings and Happy Sunday. 3 brief things. 1. Pioneer Zephyr is now a FAC. I have contributed, but article was created by and most work done by User:SLAMBO. Could you give it a look and any appropriate help and support? 2. When you go to my talk page, you will see the box thingy that automatically puts new messages at the bottom with their own section headers. I adapted mine from another user's talk page because it seemed such a good way to get the new talk messages where you want them. In turn, I also made one for one other user. Would you like one? 3. I have been nominated for admin. status. I understand the additional powers/responsibility that level involves, but I am a little confused as the routine duties, even after reading the pages recommended. Can you shed any light? Is it a matter of responding to complaints, looking for problems, are what? Thanks. Mark. Vaoverland 21:18, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)

Vaoverland reply
Thanks for the admin insight. I feel better about it. Let me know on the other items when you have time. The box thingy really helps me with maintain my talk page. Now if I can figure out how to archive.... Mark Vaoverland 23:07, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)

School bus yellow
I don't usually see lower half of the main page, so after your heads-up, the School bus yellow and Pioneer Zephyr articles in DYK were a treat! Vaoverland 00:25, Feb 28, 2005 (UTC)

On the CL&N
Salve, Niteowlneils! Thanks so very much for the offer. I searched some on the external links I had and then Google the line but didn't come up with a map. There's a very good map, a reproduction of the Pennsy's own survey maps, in the book I refer to in the article. You ought to be able to inter-library the book. (I have a full cite and the ISBN on it.) Alternatively, you could do a very simple map based on the co-ordinates of the towns it ran through. Most have co-ordinate data from the Census Bureau in their underlying articles. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful. Ave! PedanticallySpeaking 15:53, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)

Template:Infobox City
Since San Jose, CA is on my watchlist I saw it for the first time when you added it there. There are a couple things I think are improvements, such as the DST UTC offset, and it probably be good to have one template for all cities in the world, but I really don't like losing the non-metric area units. According to English language, 70% of English speakers are in the US, where metric values are fairly unknown, so I would think the English version of Wikipedia (at least, probably ideally they all would) should also have the non-metric values. I don't think I know enuf about Templates, Infoboxes, and Wiki syntax to do it myself, so I hope you will consider adding it while the template's still only on a few cities. Thanks. (I kinda miss the water area percentage, too, but that's more of a convenience/preferences issue than an understandability problem). Niteowlneils 04:37, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the feedback. I've added back some non-metric values to the page. The template leaves a good bit of flexibility for these sorts of things, but I welcome any more feedback you might have. -- Netoholic @ 04:50, 2005 Mar 2 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks. I guess I didn't think about it long enuf to figure out it would be possible to add miles even tho' only km are in the template. Looking at it more carefully, I see that your expansion of the 'subdivision' cell to include going out to the country level, which I wanted to mention I thot was a good improvement over the original Johannesburg box, also didn't require a template change. Niteowlneils 14:14, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Pioneer Zephyr is featured article
Thanks for your help in getting this one up to snuff and through. This is really an accomplishment of User:slambo,and is well-deserved as he has written a lot of good railroad stuff, a lot of it detailed content that isn't  spectacular (IE how much can one write about A boxcar, etc. Of course, the nuts and bolts articles (like much of his work) are important to Wikipedia as a reference tool, even though they don't always warrant images, or even a lot of text. BTW, my favorite recent small article is shunpiking. If you get a chance, congrats to slambo from you would be meaningful to him, I believe. Thanks again. Mark Vaoverland 18:19, Mar 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * Meaningful, indeed! Thank you.  I plan to keep building up articles to submit for featured status (and I've got another in the queue now, Franklin B. Gowen; and as soon as I add more business and financial details to Dakota, Minnesota and Eastern Railroad, there'll be another working its way through).  I guess the Pioneer Zephyr's track speed record rubbed off on the article creation speed.  It makes me wonder about other Wikipedia records...   B-)  slambo 14:04, Mar 9, 2005 (UTC)

I Thank You, My Mother Thanks You, and Julia Thanks You
Salve, Niteowlneils! Thanks for adding the photo to the Julia Stiles article. I'm very grateful. PedanticallySpeaking 17:55, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC)

Victorian Bushrangers
why don't you just move over the history and create a history section in the bushrangers page. Xtra 01:28, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

User:Vaoverland - administrator
Thank you for supporting my appointment as an administrator. I appreciate the pat on the back this represents. It felt nice to read the comments during the voting. Please let me know if you see something I should be doing as admin, as I intend to be fairly passive unless it is clear I should do otherwise. Thanks. Mark in Richmond. Vaoverland 20:06, Mar 6, 2005 (UTC)

Category links in your userpage
Dear fellow wikipedian, in browsing the categories "Basque", "Philosopher" and "Logician" I noticed that these categories linked to your personal user-page. This is obviously not a Wikipedia standard, so I removed the category links from its source, however much it is not a common liberty to edit your fellow wikipedian's user-page. Porcher 05:17, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the comprehension! Porcher 06:13, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

DYK candidate Carl G. Fisher
Hi. I wrote a new article on Carl G. Fisher (no relation to me). I think this one fits the criteria for DYK better than most, and I wrote a potential blurb for DYK on the talk page. (Talk:Carl G. Fisher). I was surprised WP didn't already have this man. A guy with a disability who overcame it too!

My problem is: User:Brian0918 has been my only contact for such things, and seems to be taking a break. I didn't want to miss the 72 hour new article criteria for DYK. Any suggestions? Your usual fine assistance would be most appreciated. (In other words HELP!)  Thanks in advance. Mark in Richmond. Vaoverland 19:17, Mar 9, 2005 (UTC)

Seattle FAC
I think it would be reasonable to contact anyone who was at the meetups, and there is a pretty good listing on the meetup pages. -- Jmabel | Talk 19:46, Mar 9, 2005 (UTC)

Carl G. Fisher
That is all good. I wasn't thinking from the competitive angle so much as just that it is an interesting story. I am enjoying the rollback button as an admin. It is like doing prices at Wal-Mart! Seriously, I have used it only for clear-cut vandalism, but I was already doing some of that with my watched articles, and it sure makes it easier. Thanks. Off to the massive new Library of Virginia tomorrow. I've had these books a month already! Vaoverland 00:32, Mar 10, 2005 (UTC)

Ron Santo
This discusses Ron Santo's diabetes, but not whether he was the first, which is what I always heard. He always had a lot of fans in his hometown of Seattle. Frankly, I've never heard of of another type I diabetes player, but there probably have been a couple since then. I believe his legs have been amputated at this time.--Silverback 17:49, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Award

 Just let me add my thanks as well for all your work to try and deal with everyone's concerns. I may have made the nomination, but it's entirely due to your effort that the nomination got pushed through. --Michael Snow 18:57, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Compression bug
Hello, Neil. You can replace the page contents with (pending pages should be blanked). That will move the article to Category:Pending deletions and out of Category:Candidates for speedy deletion. According to Administrators'_noticeboard, the page should also be protected -- something I don't always remember to do. SWAdair | Talk 07:07, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Carl G. Fisher is on DYK and has FAC potential
The article on Carl G. Fisher made it to DYK. I have added an image from LOC and sources. I would like to self-nominate it for FAC, but cannot figure out how to follow the new rules. There are only a few candidates right now, and if you will place it, I will comment (without voting of course) and follow through with it through the FAC process. I believe that this one is very worthy. BTW, how is Dawson's Creek coming along? Yours in Richmond, Mark. Vaoverland 13:45, Mar 11, 2005 (UTC)

Julia Stiles dates
You must not have noticed the talk page discussion of date wikilinking above in the talk page. Excessive wikilinking on wikipedia is a form of vandalism, date wikilinks are just one aspect of this. Wikilinking June 5 inside a biographical article's reference section can not possibly help someone find out more information about the subject of that biography, can it? Perhaps the article should be rewritten to not include so many dates? Why redundantly wikilink the same year over and over again inside an article (there are no formatting issues as far as years go is there?). Please tell me where I should go to propose a change of wikipedia policy on this issue. I believe excessive wikilinking also slows wikipedia down (more work to generate a page to see if wiki link exists or not [it all ads up]). zen master   T  22:55, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Is it really wikipedia policy that *ALL* dates and numbers *MUST* be wikilinked? I admit I overreacted a bit though I used the term vandalism primarily because the editor's check in comment did not make sense logically which is always a red flag in my opinion, and because excessive wikilinking can be considered a form of vandalism.  In the check in comments the editor claimed that the date wikilinks in this case are somehow helpful for finding out additional information about the references, I can't see how this is any way true and this editor has not responded to my request on the talk page for him to justify that statement.  I think it is impossible a random date wikilink inside a biographicaly article's references section to say June 5 can in anyway be beneficial.  To be clear, I am not proposing the removal of all date wikilinks, a celebrity's birthday and other things directly relevant to an article should always be wikilinked.  It comes down to how relevant, how the article ends up looking, and how likely a user will want to click on something for more information.  zen master    T  23:30, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Cupertino---I goofed
Hi Niteowlneils:

I goofed. You're right. It's the other way around. I got mixed up as to which school district Montclaire Elementary School was a part of. Feel free to modify the page.

--Coolcaesar 20:24, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Sikh Gurdwara
Would you obect to moving Sikh Gurdwara to Sikh Gurdwara - San Jose and then redirecting it to Gurdwara? There are many gurdwaras, all of them Sikh, and also several named Sikh Gurdwara. With a redirect to Gurdwara, anyone should be able to find the right one should an article exist. I would do it myself, but as the page already exists, it may require an administrator. There's no particular hurry as there doesn't seem to be many people working on the topic. Let me know if you want me to attempt it. Thanks. DialUp 20:59, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Seattle
Congrats on Seattle, Washington. Vaoverland 00:07, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)

Beat on the Brat (with a baseball bat)
Thanks for the cleaning of Oroonoko. All the things you caught (except for "eye witness," grumble grumble) were my fault entirely, and I appreciate having them fixed repaired. Oh, and the title of this message section is apropos of nothing. I just felt like quoting The Ramones and felt that it's done too rarely. Geogre 04:32, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Strike the Pose
Salve, Niteowl! Again, thank you for your help with the Julia Stiles article, which is now my second featured article. Since you are more adept than I at adding photographs, I wonder if you might be able to help with my Curtis Sittenfeld article. I wonder if you could add the cover of the book, which is on the main page of her home page here, and her photo from her biography here. Both cases would be fair use as we would be promoting her and her book. The portait is one for publicity and was featured in the New York Times Book Review when they reviewed it so it'd be like actors' head shots. Let me know. Ave atque vale! PedanticallySpeaking 18:02, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Niteowl! I'm very grateful for your work.  PedanticallySpeaking 17:31, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)

Vaoverland update
It was good to hear from you. I noticed your absence. As I'm sure you are following, I've been busy nursing Carl G. Fisher through the FAC process. It has suffered more from lack of votes than objections, and I had to stir up a couple of other users to take a look at it, but it has gotten a lot better through the ordeal. Thanks for your recent tweaking, also. It is the oldest one on the FAC list. Unlike William N. Page, this one might be of broad enough interest to be a main page article one day.

It sounds as if you and I are alike inasmuch as I have to work on multiple things to avoid getting bogged down.

I hope to go to the Virginian Railway Coalfield Seminar April 8-10. I am helping one of the authors of VGN-related books with the content of his presentation. He will speak about William Nelson Page and other topics. I am flattered to also be considered an author by these folks and hope to learn some new things to bring back to the WP articles. Here is the link if you need a little diversion from WP. http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/VirginianRailwayEnthusiasts/

Yours in Richmond, Mark. Vaoverland 02:13, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
For reverting the vandalism to my page, I believe user:Gioueeoi is gonna be trouble, I just reverted some vandalism of his from the anarcho-syndicalism article. Somehow I have an odd feeling they're a sockpuppet account, and I'm being targeted to a certain extent, cause they used one of my edit summaries for their vandalism to that page.--Che y Marijuana 22:12, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)

Julia Hits the Big Time
Salve, Niteowlneils! Good news. The Julia Stiles article is to be featured on the main page tomorrow. See Today%27s_featured_article/March_27%2C_2005. Ave! PedanticallySpeaking 20:42, Mar 26, 2005 (UTC)

FAC Time Again?
Salve, Niteowl! After your revisions to Dawson's Creek and the creation of articles on many of the people associated therewith, actions which addressed issues raised in its previous featured article candidacy, I wonder if you think it's ready to submit once again to FAC? Ave! PedanticallySpeaking 16:34, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)

Apollo 8
It was easy to support this one. I looked hard for something to suggest, but it really seems to have all the components. I wondered about the NASA double exposure photograph. Vaoverland 01:35, Mar 31, 2005 (UTC)

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Oxetane

Oxetane, or 1,3-propylene oxide, is a heterocyclic organic compound with the molecular formula, having a four-membered ring with three carbon atoms and one oxygen atom.

The term "an oxetane" or "oxetanes" refer to any organic compound containing the oxetane ring.

Production
A typical well-known method of preparation is the reaction of potassium hydroxide with 3-chloropropyl acetate at 150 °C: Yield of oxetane made this way is c. 40%, as the synthesis can lead to a variety of by-products including water, potassium chloride, and potassium acetate.

Another possible reaction to form an oxetane ring is the Paternò–Büchi reaction. The oxetane ring can also be formed through diol cyclization as well as through decarboxylation of a six-membered cyclic carbonate.

Derivatives
More than a hundred different oxetanes have been synthesized. Functional groups can be added into any desired position in the oxetane ring, including fully fluorinated (perfluorinated) and fully deuterated analogues. Major examples are:

Taxol
Paclitaxel (Taxol) is an example of a natural product containing an oxetane ring. Taxol has become a major point of interest among researchers due to its unusual structure and success in the involvement of cancer treatment. The attached oxetane ring is an important feature that is used for the binding of microtubules in structure activity; however little is known about how the reaction is catalyzed in nature, which creates a challenge for scientists trying to synthesize the product.

Disparlure
Oxetane is used in one of the syntheses of Disparlure (Gypsy moth sexual pheromone).

Reactions
Oxetanes are less reactive than epoxides, and generally unreactive in basic conditions, although Grignard reagents at elevated temperatures and complex hydrides will cleave them. However, the ring strain does make them much more reactive than larger rings, and oxetanes decompose in the presence of even mildly acidic nucleophiles. In non-nucleophilic acids, they mainly isomerize to allyl alcohols.

Noble metals tend to catalyze isomerization to a carbonyl.

In industry, the parent compound, oxetane polymerizes to polyoxetane in the presence of a dry acid catalyst, although the compound was described in 1967 as "rarely polymerized commercially".

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New Hampshire Route 124

New Hampshire Route 124 (abbreviated NH 124) is a 28.083 mi east–west highway in southern New Hampshire, United States. It runs from Marlborough to the Massachusetts border.

The western terminus of NH 124 is in Marlborough at New Hampshire Route 101. The road continues through Marlborough, a short section of Troy and enters the northwestern part of Jaffrey. The road skirts the southern slopes of Mount Monadnock, across Jaffrey, and into Sharon. In Sharon, there is a New Hampshire historical marker (number 68) on the northern side of the road marking the site of a gate that once collected tolls for the 3rd New Hampshire Turnpike, which followed much of the present-day route of NH 124. The road enters New Ipswich and continues through that town.

The eastern terminus of NH 124 is at the Massachusetts state line in Mason. The road continues into Massachusetts as Greenville Road in the town of Townsend.

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New Hampshire Route 125

New Hampshire Route 125 is a 51.994 mi north–south state highway in Rockingham, Strafford and Carroll counties in southeastern New Hampshire. The southern terminus is in Plaistow at the Massachusetts state line, where the road continues south into Haverhill as Massachusetts Route 125. The northern terminus is in Wakefield at New Hampshire Route 16 and New Hampshire Route 153.

Although NH 125 is mostly an undivided two-lane highway, it regularly carries heavy truck and tourist traffic, especially in the summer months, when it is used as a toll-free alternative to Interstate 95 and the Spaulding Turnpike.

The Epping–Lee–Barrington section is known as the Calef Highway, named after state senator Austin L. Calef and family who owned the locally famous Calef's Country Store in Barrington. The Milton section is the southernmost part of the White Mountain Highway. The Brentwood section is officially named the Officer Stephen Arkell Memorial Highway, named for a police officer of that community who was killed in the line of duty.

History
The section of NH 125 between Epping and East Barrington (the intersection with NH 9) was built on the grade of the Boston and Maine Railroad Worcester, Nashua and Portland Division, opened by the Nashua and Rochester Railroad in 1876.

Calef's County Store, a locally famous family-owned shop which first opened in 1869, is located near the intersection of NH 9 and NH 125 in Barrington.

The northern section of NH 125 between downtown Rochester and Wakefield occupies part of the original alignment of NH 16 (first designated as New England Interstate Route 16). The historic northern terminus of NH 125 was at the intersection of Columbus Avenue and South Main Street in downtown Rochester. When NH 16 was moved onto the Spaulding Turnpike in the early 1990s, the northern part of its old alignment in Rochester, as well as its entire alignment through Milton and into Wakefield, was redesignated as NH 125, extending NH 125 by over 16 mi.

Plaistow, Kingston, Brentwood
The NH 125 designation begins on Plaistow Road where Massachusetts Route 125 crosses the state line from Haverhill, Massachusetts, into Plaistow, New Hampshire. NH 121A also begins here and splits off as Main Street towards downtown Plaistow. NH 125 stays to the west of town and is initially a four-lane divided highway serving as the local shopping strip. After bypassing the downtown area, NH 125 crosses over NH 121A, then turns northeast and transitions into an undivided two-lane rural highway before crossing into the town of Kingston. In Kingston, NH 125 is first joined by NH 111 which approaches from the west, then 1.6 mi later by NH 107 which approaches from the east. Bypassing east of downtown Kingston, the three routes are overlapped for just over 1 mi before NH 111 turns east towards Exeter. NH 107 and NH 125 continue northwest for another 1/2 mile, then NH 107 turns off towards Fremont while NH 125 continues north and crosses into the town of Brentwood. The highway has one major junction in Brentwood with NH 111A (the main road in town) and continues north towards Epping.

Epping, Lee, Barrington (Calef Highway)
Upon crossing into Epping, NH 125 becomes known as the Calef Highway and expands to four lanes before interchanging with the NH 101 freeway at exit 7. The highway turns northeast to bypass downtown and crosses NH 27 and the Lamprey River, narrowing back to two lanes thereafter. NH 125 meets the western terminus of NH 87 and the southern terminus of NH 155 before turning due north and entering Lee. NH 125 crosses NH 152 and turns slightly east, bypassing downtown Lee (which is directly served by NH 155) to the west. Continuing north, NH 125 then intersects with U.S. Route 4 at the Lee Traffic Circle, a major two-lane roundabout. NH 125 enters Barrington and stays along the town's east side, crossing the Bellamy River and then NH 9 further north. The highway continues north and enters the Rochester city limits.

Rochester
The Calef Highway moniker ends as NH 125 enters Rochester, and the road becomes known as Gonic Road (after the neighborhood of Gonic which NH 125 passes through). The highway crosses the Isinglass River and passes alongside the Rochester County Club as it continues north towards downtown Rochester. After passing through Gonic, NH 125 has a major interchange with the Spaulding Turnpike (NH 16) at exit 12, and the road becomes Columbus Avenue as it transitions into an urban route. The highway crosses the Cocheco River and crosses South Main Street (which carries NH 108 and NH 202A, both of which terminate here) just south of downtown. While NH 202A heads straight into the heart of town, NH 125 follows Columbus Avenue in a partial loop around the east side of downtown. On the north side of downtown, Columbus Avenue ends and NH 125 turns north onto Wakefield Street, which becomes Milton Road. NH 125 has an interchange with US 202 and NH 11, which provide access to the nearby Spaulding Turnpike at exit 16, as well as to points east in Maine. As NH 125 continues north, it begins to parallel the Salmon Falls River (which forms the border between New Hampshire and Maine) to the west, and the Spaulding Turnpike to the east. The highway transitions back into a rural route as it enters the town of Milton.

Milton, Wakefield
Upon crossing into Milton, NH 125 becomes known as the White Mountain Highway, in recognition of its former status as the major route north to the White Mountains Region (it carried the original alignment of NH 16 before the Spaulding Turnpike was built). The highway meets the eastern terminus of NH 75, which connects to the nearby turnpike at exit 17, before passing through downtown Milton, continuing to run along the western side of the Salmon Falls River. After leaving the downtown area, NH 125 turns slightly westward away from the river and continues winding north, running nearly adjacent to the turnpike. As it approaches the Branch River, a tributary of the Salmon Falls, NH 125 turns west and interchanges with the Spaulding Turnpike again at exit 18. This interchange marks the northern terminus of the Spaulding Turnpike, and the White Mountain Highway designation continues northward on NH 16. NH 125 crosses into Wakefield and passes through the village of Union as Main Street, then intersects with NH 153. NH 125 is overlapped with NH 153 on Main Street for 0.29 mi (although this is only signed in the southbound direction) as the road bends around to the east to meet NH 16, where the NH 125 designation officially ends. The roadway continues north as NH 153 (Wakefield Road).

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Henry Gage, 6th Viscount Gage

Henry Rainald Gage, 6th Viscount Gage, KCVO, (30 December 1895 – 27 February 1982) was Viscount Gage of Firle Place during much of the 20th century.

He was born to Henry Charles Gage and Leila Georgina Peel. His Gage family ancestry included extensive roots in British North America from the Schuyler family, the Delancey family, and the Van Cortlandt family.

Upon the death of his father in 1912, he succeeded him as Viscount Gage when he was only 16. Gage served in World War I as a Captain of the Coldstream Guards, seeing action in both France and Belgium. He was appointed Honorary Colonel of the 58th (Home Counties) Field Brigade, Royal Artillery, on 17 June 1936. He held the office of Parliamentary Private Secretary between 1924 and 1929, to the Secretary of State, India. He held the office of Lord-in-Waiting between 1924 and 1929. He held the office of Deputy Lieutenant (D.L.) of Sussex in 1927. He held the office of Justice of the Peace (J.P.) for Sussex. He held the office of Lord-in-Waiting between 1931 and 1939.

In 1931, Gage donated papers and letters written between 1758 and 1764 by his famous relative General Sir Thomas Gage to the William L. Clements Library of Ann Arbor, Michigan. Gage later (between 1958 and 1965) donated letters and documents from ancestral in-law Vice-Admiral Sir Peter Warren to the Sussex Archaeological Society in Lewes.

At the beginning of World War II, the family moved to a smaller house, and nearby Southover girls' school in Lewes was evacuated for a short time to Gage's family home in Firle. After they had moved, Canadian soldiers were quartered at the family manor. In 1952, Gage's mother-in-law died, leaving artwork to his wife, Imogen. The couple decided to showcase the art in their home, opening Firle Place to public tours in 1954.

In 1968, Imogen died. Gage was remarried in 1971 to Diana Cavendish. He died in 1982 at the age of 86. A stained glass window by the artist John Piper was installed in St Peter's Church, Firle, and dedicated to his memory.

He was appointed Deputy President of Sussex Wildlife Trust on 13 January 1962 and retired at the AGM on 29 April 1967. He is listed as the Director of Over Timber (Fawley) Ltd. and of Firle Estate Co.Ltd

Family
On 26 February 1931, Gage married Alexandra Imogen Clair Grenfell (Imogen), daughter of William Grenfell, 1st Baron Desborough; they had three children:
 * George John St. Clere Gage, 7th Viscount Gage (8 July 1932 – 1993)
 * (Henry) Nicolas Gage, 8th Viscount Gage (born 9 April 1934)
 * Hon. Camilla Jane Gage (born 12 July 1937), married Edward Cazalet

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The Scholar (TV series)

The Scholar is a reality television show broadcast by ABC.

Filmed at the University of Southern California, The Scholar is the first reality television show to offer college scholarships as prizes. Ten high-achieving high school seniors compete for a full scholarship to the university of their choice in a competition that tests their skills in academics, leadership, school spirit and community service. The contestants were Amari, Alyssa, Davis, Elizabeth, Jeremy, Melissa, Milana, Scot, Gerald, and Max.

The series premiere aired on June 6, 2005. The first season ended on July 18, 2005.

Show Information

 * First Episode—The students competed first individually in a quiz about space history to determine who would be the captains. Jeremy and Davis won, and were given the opportunity to choose teams of five for a series of brain teasers. Davis' team won, so he was guaranteed a spot in the challenge on 19th and 20th century literature; the scholarship committee also chose Jeremy and Melissa, and Melissa won this challenge, advancing to the semi-final round and automatically earning fifty thousand towards her education.
 * Second Episode—The students competed first individually in a quiz about art history to determine who would be the captains. Liz and Melissa won, and were given the opportunity to choose teams of five in a school spirit competition. Melissa's team won; since she already had a semi-final spot, she chose Max to take her place. The scholarship committee also chose Scot and Gerald, and homeschooler Scot won this challenge, advancing to the semi-final round and automatically earning fifty thousand towards his education.
 * Third Episode—The students competed first individually in a word puzzle to determine who would be the captains. Milana and Max won, and were given the opportunity to choose teams of five in a community service competition. Milana's team won, so she was guaranteed a spot in the challenge on African geography; the scholarship committee also chose Liz and Amari, but Milana won this challenge, advancing to the semi-final round and automatically earning fifty thousand towards her education. At this point, Alyssa is the only student who has not been chosen to participate in a final challenge, and she is deeply upset about it. In a confessional, we see her wondering why she was even chosen.
 * Fourth Episode—The students competed first individually to put together a map of the United States to determine who would be the captains. Liz and Davis won, and were given the opportunity to choose teams of five in a movie-making competition. Each team had ten hours to write, shoot, and edit a two-minute short film based around a quote. Davis' team won, and a twenty-day trip to Europe was won by every member of that team. Davis was also guaranteed a spot in the challenge on American History from 1770 to 1815; the scholarship committee also chose Liz and Amari, and Liz won this challenge, advancing to the semi-final round and automatically earning fifty thousand towards her education. The major subplot in this episode involved a love triangle between Melissa, Max, and Alyssa; Max's favorable treatment of Alyssa angers Melissa, who feels that she was the first one to have a relationship with Max.
 * Fifth Episode—The six students who had not yet advanced to the semi-finals competed individually in a quiz on the Bill of Rights. Davis and Amari won, and were given the opportunity to choose teams of three in a debate about same-sex marriage. While all of the students agreed with the idea of same-sex marriage, Amari, Jeremy, and Alyssa were forced to argue against it. Davis' team, the pro side, won, so he was guaranteed a spot in the challenge on American presidents. Every other student was also asked to study, and the two other contestants, Amari and Alyssa, were announced at the challenge. Amari won this challenge, advancing to the semi-final round and automatically earning fifty thousand towards her education.
 * Sixth Episode (Final)-- The five semi-finalists are asked three questions to winnow the field to three, namely Scot, Melissa, and Amari. These three gave speeches to the scholarship committee along with mentors from back home and students from the house. Melissa was chosen as 'The Scholar' and won the full ride scholarship to the university of her choice, namely Pomona College.

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List of islands of England
Moved to Category_talk:English islands

Thanks
Hi, I noticed that you had cleaned up the categorization of stuff under Category:Stars and I just wanted to say thanks. It's been a real mess for a while and I'm glad someone was brave enough to do it! -JYolkowski 03:23, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * You're most welcome. Most of it went through well. Ian Cairns 11:18, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

WWII ignorance?
Hi Ian Cairns, do you happen to have any references handy on the studies you mentioned that found 'many youths have little understanding of what WWII was'? Thanks, --Nectarflowed 19:51, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hello Nectarflowed. This was formed from my recollection of various surveys that have been reported in recent years. Looking at Google, I can find: for starters. Is this OK? Ian Cairns 20:04, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/pressrelease.cfm?id=871 for Canadian youth
 * http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/story/0,5500,1275989,00.html for UK youth

Category:Ukrainian mathematicians
Hi there. Looking in the log for Category:Ukrainian mathematicians, I see you apparently listed the page on December 17 on CfD, claiming it was a typo for Ukranian mathematicians.

I actually think the opposite: Ukrainian more common and correct than Ukranian. I'm just curious about what happened about this, as I can find nothing useful in the CfD archives. --Saforrest 10:18, Feb 26, 2005 (UTC)

 * My apologies - I think I was incorrect. I do not remember any feedback on this - perhaps it is in abeyance? Ian Cairns 12:35, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Dumbass
Dumbass is a classic candidate for speedy deletion - there's no need to trouble the vfd process. It was also deleted already on the 23rd of January, and again the following day. -- John Fader 01:16, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for that. I'm still feeling my way around all this extra sysop responsibility. I thought I ought to involve at least one other in the decision process. Thanks again, Ian Cairns 11:28, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Myriametre

 * Hi! You reverted my edit to Orders of magnitude (length) in which I added the prefix "myria-", meaning 10,000. I assumed there must be some good reason for this, so I did a bit more research than I had originally in order to confirm my addition to the article. Now I find that it is a deprecated term. Would you consider it acceptable if I added myria-, with the precaution that it is an archaic term? I'm sure there are plenty of older texts in which this unit can be found. — flamingspinach | (talk) 23:18, 2005 Mar 4 (UTC)

 * Hello. I'm happy that myria- (and myrio-) is an archaic / obsolete / historical term and must be identified as such. It would appear to be relevant to an article on the history of orders of magnitude or history of prefixes. Surely a _current_ statement on the orders of magnitude would keep to the SI prefixes, which would be relevant to readers' experience? Thanks, Ian Cairns 23:33, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, I wouldn't say historical - it's valid in any document prior to 1982 (in the United States at least). So I thought maybe it could be useful for people to know what it means, in case they ever come across it in a document. How can it hurt to have it in the article, if I put "(deprecated)" next to it? — flamingspinach | (talk) 06:15, 2005 Mar 5 (UTC)

 * I think that deprecated means that the term is still being used but is no longer welcome / recommended. This is not the case. I think these terms are not being actively used today, and are either historical or obsolete. Myria and Myrio were first used systematically as prefixes by the French in the 1700s. However, they failed to make the grade in 1960 when the SI prefixes were agreed internationally. The only references I can find from Google are from 1913 Websters. There is no Wiki article on myriametre. If such an article were created suggesting it was an historical term, fine. If it were created suggesting it was current, then my guess is the article would probably be voted down. Please see the article SI prefixes and note the use of the word Obsolete Thanks, Ian Cairns 16:07, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Ahh, thanks for that article link (SI prefixes). I see, you're right. Thanks for your advice. :) — flamingspinach | (talk) 21:41, 2005 Mar 5 (UTC)

Asteroid categorization
I believe that it is not redundant, but for a subtle reason. Check out Categorization and Categorisation FAQ --- note that there are two types of categories: lists and topics. Categories that have plural titles are lists, categories that have singular titles are topics.

So, it seems to me that Category:Asteroid groups and families is a list and should contain all articles that are about asteroid groups and asteroid families. Articles about single asteroids wouldn't belong (directly) in that topic, but could belong to children of that topic. So, an article about an Amor asteroid should live in Category:Amor asteroids, Amor asteroids can live in both Category:Amor asteroids and Category:Asteroid groups and families, while Category:Amor asteroids can live in Category:Asteroid groups and families and other places, like Category:Near-Earth asteroids. Category:Amor asteroids would not live in Category:Asteroids directly, because Category:Near-Earth asteroids contains lists of individual asteroids and Category:Asteroids contains lists of individual asteroids.

See what I mean? I'm distinguishing between categories that contain asteroid articles and categories that contain articles about families of asteroids. It may seem odd, but I believe that is what happens with categories that are comprised of lists.

I'll stop re-adding family articles to Category:Asteroid groups and families until we reach consensus.

-- hike395 21:15, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Errrr... no, I don't see the difference. I agree that category Asteroid groups and families should contain all asteroid groups and it does. However, it does this by articles, sub-categories, sub-category articles, etc. etc. Thus Amor asteroid is an article within a sub-category within a sub-category etc. of Asteroid groups, and is therefore a member of this larger category. Providing more than one route for this categorisation is the redundancy that I was mentioning. Thanks for holding off. Ian Cairns 23:48, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Looking at the FAQ article you quoted, I find:
 * There are some natural hierarchies of lists. One example is the scientific classification of organisms, which would only place an article in one category.
 * This is what I was trying to describe. We have a hierarchical classification of Asteroids. Aten belongs to Near-Earth whic hbelongs to etc. etc. There would be no point in categorising Humans as both Primates and Animals, when Primate is automatically an animal. Ian Cairns 00:09, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * I concede the point --- asteroid families are much more like taxnomic families than separate aspects of the same topic. I'll revert. hike395 14:58, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Degree categories
Hi Icairns - I've just come across a group of categories on higher degrees you created late last uear as stubs. Just for future reference, a category can't be a stub (by definition, stubs are articles). The template you should use is Template:Popcat (And don't worry - I changed 'em! :) Grutness|hello? 09:04, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Many thanks for that. Ian Cairns 10:14, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Mars' Natural Satellites
Hi Ian. Shouldn't it be Mars's Natural Satellites? Cheers TigerShark 10:29, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Speaking as someone whose surname ends in S, I believe that either form ..s' or ..s's is acceptable. e.g. St James' or St James's. Do you know a constraint on these forms? Thanks, Ian Cairns 10:32, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Further research shows that both are acceptable - as in

http://www.ucalgary.ca/UofC/eduweb/grammar/course/punctuation/3_7.htm
 * However, I'm happy to change if s's is more common in Wikipedia Ian Cairns 10:45, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes you're definitely right that both are acceptable (I had always believed that only s's was correct). I am not sure what is more common on Wikipedia, but I can see articles on Nasa.org that use both. Perhaps you should leave it as is, and maybe create a different redirect if you think it might be useful. Cheers TigerShark 10:50, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Done. Many thanks, Ian Cairns 10:56, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Reading Bridge
Hi Ian.

You write:

 * Chris, I've edited Reading Bridge to try out a possible box to tidy the upstream and downstream crossings - a la Railway lines next and previous station boxes, which now stretch from Paddington to Goring and beyond. I would value your opinion - is it any use? Does it need removing? Can it be rescued, edited, etc.? Let me know what you think.

It looks good to me. I assume that the intention is that this will eventually replace the textual information that you have left in on the Reading Bridge article; I don't think I'd want to see it duplicated. -- Chris j wood 18:23, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for that. Yes, it was only experimental - I just wanted to see whether the layout could be more compact. I'll go ahead with this shortly. Thanks again, Ian Cairns 18:28, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Category:Black dwarfs
I noticed that this category you created is up for deletion at Categories for deletion, on the grounds that no stars fall into that category. I just wondered if you thought there were any particularly good reasons for keeping it (say, that there is are several articles about the theory of black dwarfs that would fit into it) or would it just remain unpopulated if kept? --VivaEmilyDavies 03:01, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Many thanks for letting me know. I'll investigate shortly. Ian Cairns 12:07, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Reading to Guildford by South West Trains
Hi Ian.

I notice you have added a SWT's service from Reading to Guildford stopping at Earley to various station articles. When does this run?. I've just queried the National Rail journey planner for a journey from Earley to Guildford for tomorrow, and all the journeys it offered me involved changing from SWT to Great Western Link at Wokingham, apart from a couple of late evening journeys via Virginia Water, Woking and somewhere else I cannot remember. -- Chris j wood 19:04, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * ps. I've removed the Waterloo service qualifiers from Bracknell railway station, Martins Heron railway station and Sunningdale railway station, both because there is no ambiguity between services at thos stations, and also to ease the transition at Ascot railway station, where the ambiguity is not to do with the inner terminal but rather the outer one. -- Chris j wood 19:25, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Chris - Many thanks for all that. I thought I knew the situation, but am most grateful for your corrections. BTW, was that you in the local papers the other day? Regards, Ian Cairns 13:55, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Depends what you saw. I write a advertorial column for the Reading Chronicle's monthly business pages on IT Security; I also wrote a letter to the Chronic on car parking at Reading station. -- Chris j wood 23:29, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Queens Regnant
Greetings! I noticed you were the one to create the "Queens Regnant" page. That is a great resource page. However, could it be titled something more broadly? Like Women Rulers? the reason I ask is because there are many historical heriditary rulers that were not queens per se, but reigning Princess, Duchesses, Countesses, ect. Even if we do not change the name of the page but include in its introduction that this topic includes reigning monarchs of lesser titles. Your thoughts?Drachenfyre

 * Hello Drachenfyre. Thanks for your note. I would have thought that Women Rulers sat nicely as a supercategory above Queens Regnant. I would be loathe to change Queens Regnant since it also fits within the Monarchs category, which would be inappropriate for Women Rulers. To save you the bother, I've just created a category Women rulers which sits within Women and above Queens - i.e. above Queens consort and Queens regnant. I hope that has helped. Regards Ian Cairns 13:53, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Casablanca
Hi - I notice you recently changed the stub template message on Casablanca from "AfricaN-geo-stub" to "African-geo-stub". AfricaN stands for Northern Africa. There are also AfricaW, AfricaE, AfricaC, and AfricaS geo-stubs. There is no "African-geo-stub". (The reason for this combination is to avoid confusion with the separate South Africa geo stub.) Grutness|hello? 01:08, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Duly informed. Ian Cairns 06:07, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Category main articles
Ian.

You write:

 * There are special rules for the 'name' article of a category; it can (and should) still be in the base categories Chris, please can you provide a source for this guideline - I've checked the Wiki Category FAQs etc, but can't find this. Also, most articles seem to have any stubs above the categs and interwikis. Do you have a source for the placement of stubs after these? Many thanks, Ian Cairns 18:03, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm quite convinced that I have read both in policy or mos, but can I find them now?. Sadly no I cannot.

The 'name article category' thing I remember reading some while ago, and I guess might have changed in the meantime; I will revert my change to the University of Reading.

The putting stubs after categories I read quite recently, and remember it because it surprised me too for exactly the reason you point out. The reasoning was so that the stub category links in the displayed article ended up after the 'substantive' category links. This seems eminently reasonable, and perhaps I'm just not looking in the right place for the source. I'll keep looking.

-- Chris j wood 14:11, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

3rd millennium
In response to your message on Dtobias's talk page: "Let me step in here to point this out. That a new millennium begins in XXX1 is not a "viewpoint," it's simple reasoning based on the observation that our calendar system has no year zero from which to begin counting, so the start dates of centuries and millennia (and decades, but that gets pretty widely ignored, I guess) are a year off.  The Wiki article Millennium has a good quote from Arthur Clarke: basically, "Would you accept it if a store clerk used a scale that began at one, and claimed to have sold you ten kilograms of tea?" If the scale doesn't start at zero, the first unit is skipped and you get nine kilograms. See also 0 (year).  Mr. Billion 20:45, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)" Ordinality and cardinality and all that.
 * Well, never mind. I see the contrary argument is based on use of the Common Era calendar, which also works. Cheers. Mr. Billion 21:04, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for reading through to the end. Regards, Ian Cairns 21:06, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

User:¸
Thanks for blocking this guy. If you don't mind, I'm going to change the block to indefinite. One, I believe that a username consisting solely of a nontypeable character is not an appropriate username. Two, he impersonated another user. Three, edits were only vandalism. Four, I believe this is a reincarnation of. Please change the block or let me know if you disagree. Thanks! — Knowledge Seeker দ 21:02, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Be my guest. I'm just sorry that I fumbled trying to find the block. I could have stopped this a couple of minutes earlier.... :-(( Oh well. Thanks again, 21:14, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Ian Cairns 21:15, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Incidentally, if you use the (default) monobook skin, you may find useful User:Korath's User:Korath/blockip.js, which should be copied and pasted in User:Icairns/monobook.js. It adds two tabs to user and user talk pages: a "block" tab which brings up the block screen with the username or IP address already filled in, and a "blocklog" tab which shows the blocking history for that user. I've found them to be incredibly useful. If you want more information or have questions on how to "install" it, let me know. — Knowledge Seeker দ 22:45, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Mechanical energy
Please see Talk:Mechanical work. --Smack (talk) 21:34, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Calendars
I see that at last someone else has noticed the dogs' breakfast that was the Calendars section in Wikipedia. I was going to organise the calendar categories better, but being a novice at the creation and maintenace of categories I had set it aside. Looks like you beat me to it :)

What further plans have you for the maintenance of the articles on calendars? I feel that the Calendar Reform article is rather sketchy and could do with more detail. Calendar reform has a surprisingly rich history, but alas little of it has made its way into the article on calendar reform. --  B.d.mills  (Talk) 00:55, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Many thanks for your kind comments - yes, there was a glut of calendars without an overlying structure (current, proposed, obsolete, etc). I'd like to see the Astronomical year numbering and ISO 8601 articles brought together into either a new Astronomical calendar article or more likely a new Astronomical calendar category (alternative names?). I must admit that it would be good to take quick stock of my recent changes before the next change. Thanks, Ian Cairns 09:57, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Punctuation
Just for your information, the issue of punctuation at the end of math is discussed extensively at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics. The almost unamimous decision was that one should follow the printed mathematics style, which calls for period at the end of formula if formula is at the end of sentence. I assume that applies to commas too. Cheers, Oleg Alexandrov 19:59, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Thank for that. Ian Cairns 20:04, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Freeware != Free software
Your recent creation of Category:Free Windows web browsers is totally unnecessary and your definition of "free" is seriously wrong. The word "free" refer to free software (open source), not freeware or proprietary software available free of charge. Hope your understand the problem. :-| --minghong 08:53, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Your comments are incorrect. I have answered this on the CfD page for the category. :-| Ian Cairns 09:59, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Reversion of Robert Burnham, Jr. article
Hi Ian. Please see my note under the heading ==Category Astronomy== at Talk:Robert Burnham, Jr.. Thanks --DannyZ 00:04, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Template:Unsolved
Hi,

I see you've been replacing uses of in list-of-unsolved-things articles (such as unsolved problems in physics) with chunks of HTML which comprise instructions on how to use the "unsolved" template. Is it your intention that you or someone else will edit these later?

What is the problem that has caused you to do this? I can't find a description anywhere. Could it be resolved with a separate or similar?

-- JTN 11:21, 2005 May 29 (UTC)

 * Hello JTN. I found an 'Unsolved ...' article / category that had a category 'Unsolved problems in' - just that. It came from an incomplete usage of the template. Also, usage of the template was giving the wrong positioning in the supercategory (everything went under U). I was therefore trying to sort out the categorisation, while showing the template box. HTH, Ian Cairns 18:04, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, the list-of articles can't stay in their current state. I'm still not convinced I fully understand the problem(s), or your solution. Would you object if I replaced the chunks of HTML with a new template, similar to  but with more appropriate categorisation (using sortkey " ", for example)? -- JTN 16:35, 2005 May 30 (UTC)

 * You're most welcome to do whatever you think best. I found an article with a non-existent category attached to it. This was caused by the template with a missing parameter. I attempted to circumvent further instances by inserting code rather than the template. Thanks, Ian Cairns 17:40, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Auftragsarbeiten
Can you give me an accurate translation of this word into something that makes sense in English. And, if you have some free time, can you translate the lead section of this page. I'm thinking this system would be a nice addition to the English version. -- BRIAN 0918  20:48, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Replied on Brian's talk page Ian Cairns 11:56, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Euro Committees
I was about to write to thank you for making the stubs! I'm thinking, tho, that the pages should be moved to "European Parliament Committee on...", as I'm sure some of the names are common to many governments. Cheers! -- BD2412 talk 00:44, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

 * You are probably right on that. However, there was only one name clash with an American committee of the same name - you can see this in the EU committee category listing - look for (EU). Even if the pages are moved then the remaining redirect should remain or become a disambig page as necessary. The reason for creating them with those names was to satisfy the links pointing to 'most wanted' articles. Each of those articles had dozens of existing links. Come to think of it, if you do move them, then you may get dozens of links to each disambig page that will need resolving .... Ian Cairns 00:49, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Point taken! -- BD2412 talk 01:42, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedians in Berkshire
Consider me nudged. :-) -- Chris j wood 20:11, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Billion
The American usage is not unknown in Britain and some of the lower grade aspects of the media incorrectly use it though in general a billion is the logical million million here. Its the way it has always been, its the way I have been taught in school since I started up until the current day (covering all levels of the British school system in the process). -Josquius

 * I disagree. Discussion taken across to User talk:Josquius and possibly onwards to Talk:Billion Ian Cairns 17:23, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Lord Chief Justices?
Should that not be 'Lords Chief Justice'? David | Talk 23:20, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm sure you're right. I'll correct - Ian Cairns 23:26, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedians by number of edits
What is the purpose of this supposed to be? There's only one page on it.--Pharos 21:34, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

 * From here Wikipedia crashed twice tonight.... I was in the middle of updating this. I'll finish. Thanks, Ian Cairns 22:40, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Myle
FYI, 66.200.223.113 appears to be Rktect, an editor who appears to have an extreme metrology viewpoint which he appears to want to push on Wikipedia. I'm trying to open up lines of communication, but he isn't very responsive so far; he just repeats basically the same general arguments. For further details, look at the recent edit histories of such articles as Mile, Eratosthenes, Ancient weights and measures, etc. Also see the request for mediation I filed on behalf of a user even less able to communicate with Rktect than I have been, for other articles. Pretty much everything Rktect touches seems to acquire a sheen of metrology.

I am nearly at my wits' end on this. If you have any advice you can offer, I would be more than happy to entertain it.

Ken talk 03:43, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

 * Ken, Thanks for that. I hadn't seen the whole picture - I think I have already been involved on one side, so am reluctant to assist in the mediation. There are two issues that I see:

How this comes about I don't know. It may be necessary to seek some article protection from an uninvolved sysop.
 * 1) multiple copies of the same article filed under different names and spellings. These should be reduced to a single copy under an appropriate name.
 * 2) progress on layout and content of the single article. This will need sourcing (for the accuracy of the article) and an agreement to indulge in communal improvement.

Good luck! Ian Cairns 11:45, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

How about instead of unilaterally reverting pages without discussion, marking pages for deletion before they are finished, making bogus claims of copywright infringement, deleting sources and references and networking others to revert after one persons reverts are used up that you take the time to post reasons for a revert or deletion and discuss them before actingRktect 14:19, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

Part of what I'm attempting to do is pick up red lines and turn them blue cross referencing as I go. Putting some information in to start a page and then adding and editing more information as I go along. So far I see the process as not helped much by having each brick removed as I place it. Rktect 14:19, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

Why? suppose I type in st3t looking for information that you have moved to say 3ht or khet because you don't understand the system in which the Egyptian standards of measure operated.

Why can't I have a page that puts up some information that is common to several things and unites several units as a system?

I have gone on to develop the pages in more detail, picking up how crop rotation combines 3 st3t of side 1 khet into 1 3ht of 300 royal cubits in an article on 3ht.

In another article I focus more on how a khet which is a measure of lenght and area and volume was used in the rhind papyrus to facilitate unit fraction calculations.

In another artcile I discuss how an itrw or river journey of 1 hour which is comparable to an hour of march of 21,000 royal cubits is a Greek schoenus of 1/10 degree and how that can be divided into 700 stadia of 300 royal cubits of 157.5 meters to give the staidia Eratosthenes calculations are based on

Having multiple copies isn't going to stop people finding and redirecting all his efforts

There is no need to redirect my efforts. If you back off and let me work for a while you might learn something, maybe not but that's on you.

One mediator is already involved. I don't know if anybody follows the rules around here but it would seem like a good idea to cease and desist with the vandalism until you actually know what is going on. Rktect 14:19, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

 * Please do not use perjorative words like Vandalism unless you are prepared to substantiate these. As an elected sysop, I know the rules and I follow the rules. I have been involved with some of your pages as a copyeditor.

 * I'm sure you hold yourself to a higher standard. You tell me you
 * follow the rules. I thought the rule was supposed to be to try
 * and discuss things and build consensus, then act. Basically the
 * good old golden rule. Are you and Ken and Gene and Egil setting
 * a good example for how the process works here?

Under Wikipedia policy, I can not therefore become involved as a mediator, which was my comment to Ken. If you have a problem with my copyediting, then you are at liberty to complain formally.

 * How about rather than complain to somebody else, we just discuss
 * the networking. Egil goes to Ken and Gene, Ken goes to you, I don't
 * know how many others. As a result I have had maybe a dozen pages
 * marked for deletion withing hours of my starting them in some cases
 * as I'm still in them, one marked for copy infringement because I cited
 * a dead author with a quote in quotations, perhaps a hundred coordinated
 * actions taken by a group acting in concert all told this week

I will justify my copyedits with respect to existing policy and guidelines. I did not see benefit to Wikipedia in having half-a-dozen articles with identical or very similar content.

 * There is a limit to how much stuff you can sensibly put on one page.
 * I'm trying to avoid doing one big data dump by breaking it up into pages.
 * One page is addressing crop rotation as a factor in the size of fields,
 * another the use of measures to make calculations, yet another
 * geocommensurate standards.

That is why I converted several of the articles to redirects towards a general article that was suitably named to deal with most if not all of the areas you inserted.

 * Most pages discussing measures in Wickipedia are decidedly Eurocentric
 * Among the deleted and redirected pages have been some on
 * standards of measure in the Pre-Contact Americas and the Medieval East
 * Eurocentric discussions of feet and miles appear to want to focus on
 * Modern Western Civilization. That might not be the right place to
 * redirect a discussion of the Japanese Ken System.

 * Your redirects have had an adverse affect on the logic of the entire
 * systematic presentation

 * A foot is divided into 12 inches and 3 hands
 * A pes is divided into 16 fingers and 4 palms
 * A pes is divided into 15 fingers and 3 hands
 * There is a reason for making the distinction

I did not post any of your articles for deletion. You may be thinking of another copyeditor.

 * I'm thinking of Ken with whom you appear to be working closely.

 * Regarding backing off while you finish your work, please bear in mind
 * If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, do not submit it.

 * I'm just asking, politely I hope, for a head's up if you have a problem
 * with something, and a chance to either correct a deficiency or discuss it.

 * Your work should be reasonably well layed-out - possibly in your own sandbox - before pasting into an active article. Obviously, this not always possible - hence so many stub articles, but they are usually reasonably well layed-out. The active article is the place where other Wikipedia contributors assist the development of the article.

 * Your position is clear, we'll see what happens.

 * BTW, it is usual to indent your comments to someone else's comments. In that way we can tell who wrote what. I've managed to rescue Ken's and my original comments above from your interspersed comments.

Ian Cairns 18:57, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Thank you for the correction Rktect 21:32, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

 * May I make it clear that I haven't ever communicated with Ken until his unsolicited message at the top of this talk page earlier today, and I haven't ever spoken with Egil to my knowledge. Much of what you may have thought was action in concert was actually independent people working in parallel, attempting to keep up the quality of Wikipedia's articles. Ken and Egil may have reacted slightly more abruptly than I would have done, but they are both acting well within my experience of normal behaviour of Wikipedia contributors and well within the policy and guidelines.
 * Clearly discussion helps. Hence the talk pages. Also, look at other areas of Wikipedia. You should find either multiple articles each on a separate narrow topic, perhaps collected by appearing together in a Category. Otherwise, you may find a central article that discusses several closely-related topics, with multiple redirects from each of the topic names to the central article. This was the target effect / improvement that was being attempted.
 * If I haven't been clear, I welcome you to Wikipedia. It will be the better for your presence. If you look at the page history of Wiki articles, you'll find lots of exampels of people trying to re-establish Wikipedia in their own mindset. The wonderful 'pedia' that is being created is the sum total / consensus of everyone's experience, approach and effort. This is a huge learning curve - but well worthwhile. HTH, Regards, Ian Cairns 22:31, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I got back from a week in Marana, AZ today and saw your welcome message. Positive vibes go a long way, Thank you for that.

 * You are probably correct that there are many independent people working in concert. My observation that it ceases to be parallel when its connected in series is a negative vibe and needs to go away.

 * We all tend to evaluate criticism as constructive or not depending on what we see in the model. Going to the reverters pages to see what they have contributed is instructive. Those people who spend most of their time focused and positive I respect and attempt to listen to attentively. Those who make it their business to destroy because they lack the ability to create I have less respect for. Rktect 23:58, August 19, 2005 (UTC)

Links
Hello Ian! I saw that you were trying to fix those red links at George Byng (the battle links). I actually tried wording those in every different way, but finally resolved to leave them as they were so I could write something in article space concerning those battles. I'll do it soon, I promise. As I say on my user page, I usually just write new articles when I am shocked that there is no existing entry on a particular topic. George Byng was definatly one of those. Well thanks for the effort at any rate! See you 'round the wiki! Hamster Sandwich 21:41, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Hello Hamster Sandwich - Thanks for that. Most battles I've seen as articles just start Battle of... so I thought they would probably fix up quicker eventually with my changes than without. Thanks again, Ian Cairns 22:25, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Buckinghamshire
You have contributed to Buckinghamshire in the past, so may I invite you to contribute to a dispute that is breaking out. Some guy who is obsessing about the traditional counties has plonked a great big infobox in the article. It's not useless stuff, but in my view it belongs in History of Buckinghamshire, not in the current main article. But I'll leave you to make your own mind up. Have a look and contribute to talk:Buckinghamshire, please. --Concrete Cowboy 23:16, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Rktect's additions
Rktect has accused me of vandalizing his edits. So I've started collecting evidence that the consensus on his material is to be removed. Please see, I'd appreaciate feedback or information I'm missing. -- < drini | ∂drini > 21:53, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

It might be of interest to someone who want's to see what's going on to have a look at Drini's contributions and maybe Egil, Ken and Gene's as well. For someone to mark a page vfd, falsely characterize it, then revert its wikification, selectively remove a large part of its content, tag its images, delete its references and generally make it appear substantively different to increase the likelyhood that it will be voted against is just plain slimy.Rktect 03:32, August 27, 2005 (UTC) I know that you occassionally do keep an eye out for that so it might be nice if some of those tags got removed Rktect 20:27, August 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * Egil appears to be tagging every page related to measures with a disputed tag and no discussion,

 * If you check on Egil's talk page, you'll see that I've asked him to discuss a dispute (the one I spotted) - as I've done on your talk page. Same Wiki policies / guidlines for everyone. Ian Cairns 02:17, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Request for arbitration, rktect
For your information, I have now submitted a request for arbitration: User:rktect -- Egil 11:33, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for letting me know. Ian Cairns 11:40, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Touché!
-- Egil 16:32, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

thanks and a request
Thanks for fixing my typos at Biblical scientific foreknowledge in the vegetarian lion section. I apppreciate it.

Here is my request. A bully boy was supressing the content so the pro Bible scientific foreknowledge info was hidden deep inside of footnotes or erased. Anything you can do to help would be appreciated. Keep an eye on the page if you could be so kind.

ken 00:12, 4 September 2005 (UTC)kdbuffalo

 * Thanks for the kind words Ken. I'm happy to keep an eye open from time to time. However, my own background is scientific, so I can only check that Wiki NPOV is happening. Ian Cairns 00:27, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Lattice gauge theory

Does lattice gauge theory have anything (perhaps a lot!) nontrivial to do with spin foams in QG? Is the spin foam approach to QG a lattice gauge theory? Thank-you! (Wed, June 8th, 2005). :-)

 * Not really. Lattice gauge theory uses the lattice as a regulator, but takes the size of the lattice to zero. It's purely a matter of calculational convenience. Spin foams, tho they do regulate your theory by setting a smallest unit of area, are supposed to be real physical entities. Also, spin foams are arbitrarily-connected graphs rather than regular lattices. -- Xerxes 21:31, 2005 Jun 8 (UTC)

merge suggested
OK, I really suggest merging Lattice field theory and this one in some sensible way, then perhaps renaming the whole "lattice field theory" as that is more generic. Otherwise you don't know what to link to from other articles. If, however, there really is something more specific to "lattice gauge theories" that cannot be covered in the main article, then a new article can be started. But I am really doubtful; the distinction between "lattice theories with pure gauge actions" and "lattice theories with fermions/particles in it" doesn't seem to warrant having separate articles, which would largely anyway just repeat each other. 131.111.8.96 22:39, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Sounds sensible. -David Schaich Talk/Cont 22:27, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

The statement that fermions are "only defined at the elements of the lattice" is misleading and incorrect. In the naive wilson action this is true, and as a result fermion doubling is a huge problem. So some solutions are to split the fermions amongst many links, which can reduce the doubling. Another solution is to introduce a 5th dimension, along with a dilaton field with an unusual action that tends to cause the two chiralities of the fermion to split. that is stuck on the either 4D side of the 5D cube is a chirality of the fermion. This technique is called domain wall fermions. And there are many others. Is anyone working on this article involved in Lattice QCD? (Travis Miller http://xxx.lanl.gov/find/grp_physics/1/au:+Miller_Travis/0/1/0/all/0/1). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.218.107.114 (talk) 17:58, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with the merger proposal, it seems much more useful to the reader. There is no point in describing twice the same stuff. The articles are both very short. If, in the future, someone will decide to elaborate further on lattice gauge theories, Symanzik improved action etc., then we can rethink the merge issue. As it is, the reader will profit from a merged article. Setreset (talk) 10:23, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

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Meave Leakey

Meave G. Leakey (born Meave Epps; 28 July 1942) is a British palaeoanthropologist. She works at Stony Brook University and is co-ordinator of Plio-Pleistocene research at the Turkana Basin Institute. She studies early hominid evolution and has done extensive field research in the Turkana Basin. She has Doctor of Philosophy and Doctor of Science degrees.

Flat-faced man of Kenya
Leakey's research team at Lake Turkana, Kenya made a discovery in 1999. They found a 3.5-million-year-old skull and partial jaw thought to belong to a new branch of the early human family. She named the find Kenyanthropus platyops ("flat-faced man of Kenya").

Personal life
Leakey was married to Richard Leakey, a palaeontologist. They have two children, Louise (born 1972) and Samira (born 1974). Louise Leakey continues family traditions by conducting palaeontological research.

Leakey initially studied zoology and marine zoology at the University of North Wales. Her first contact with the Leakey family was working for the Tigoni Primate Research Centre while studying for her PhD. At this time, the centre was being administered by Louis Leakey.

She received her PhD in zoology in 1968. In 2004, she was awarded an honorary D.Sc. from University College, London, for palaeontology. That same year, she received the Golden Plate Award of the American Academy of Achievement. Leakey is currently a Research Professor for the Turkana Basin Institute (affiliated with Stony Brook University). On 30 April 2013, Leakey was elected as a Foreign Associate of the US National Academy of Sciences, with specialities of geology and anthropology. This made Leakey the first Kenyan citizen and also the first woman citizen of an African country to be elected as a member of the National Academy of Sciences. She was elected to the American Philosophical Society in 2017.

Selected publications

 * Lothagam: The Dawn of Humanity in Eastern Africa by John Harris and Meave Leakey, Eds. (December 2001).
 * Stratigraphy and Paleontology of Pliocene and Pleistocene Localities West of Lake Turkana, Kenya by John Harris, Meave Leakey, Eds. et al. (October 1988).
 * Stratigraphy and Paleontology of Pliocene and Pleistocene Localities West of Lake Turkana, Kenya by John Harris, Meave Leakey, Eds. et al. (October 1988).
 * Stratigraphy and Paleontology of Pliocene and Pleistocene Localities West of Lake Turkana, Kenya by John Harris, Meave Leakey, Eds. et al. (October 1988).

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