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Hi Blakebs hope you are doing good I just got back from a cruse. I am not sure J. Christopher Giancarlo and Linda Puchala left becuse if they did leave they would not be on the website but I do beleave you on Douglas Webster but if you can dubble check this that would be great or find a reference that would be great. https://nmb.gov/NMB_Application/index.php/board-members/ https://www.cftc.gov/About/Commissioners/index.htm Thanks.96.36.68.29 (talk) 02:38, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

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About events in television
Hello there, TVSGuy (talk) 12:19, 18 November 2020 (UTC) here,

I noticed you moved the "Notable Events" and "Deaths" into a separate page, but can you, if time permits, do the past years (at least from 2009 due to lots of content, or earlier if better) so that it would be consistent and improvement? Readers like me likes a consistent article.

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Garnier

Garnier is a mass market cosmetics brand of French cosmetics company L'Oréal. It produces hair care and skin care products.

Launch
Laboratoires Garnier was founded in France in 1904 by Alfred Amour Garnier. The company's first product was a patented as the first hair lotion derived from natural plant ingredients. The company then introduced sun-care products in 1936, followed by permanent home hair color in 1960.

Expansion and products
Over the decades Garnier expanded from hair color and hair care into skincare since acquisition in 1970. In the 2000s, Garnier launched a line of hair color products, including permanent and semi-permanent dyes.

Concerns about skin-tones diversity
Garnier demonstrated concern about the diversity of skin tones in its products. In 2021, the brand launched a line of products aimed at black skin in Brazil. The product was co-created by the brand with Brazilian singer Iza and is especially aimed at darker skin tones.

Transition to Cruelty Free status
On 05 March 2021, Cruelty Free International announced that Garnier had been approved as Cruelty Free under the Leaping Bunny programme.

Many, but not necessarily all, of Garnier's products are also labelled as 'Vegan'. Garnier is still part of the L'Oreal group, which although claims not to test on animals, has not received Cruelty Free status on account of having an active market in China, where animal testing is a legal requirement for cosmetic products.

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cut Ending to Knights of the Old Republic II

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete as an unresolved copyright violation. Please note that the content is sourced right in the article as taken from Obsidian Forum Community, a site which is clearly marked as copyrighted. No one came forward during the discussion period with any claim or evidence that this content is allowable under any of the fair use exceptions.

I will, however, note that no concensus was reached on whether there ought to ever be an article on this topic. There was a clear concensus against keeping this as a stand-alone article. The majority opinion (but short of concensus) was to merge any salvagable material into Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords. I have not carried out that merge because the only non-copyvio content I saw already appeared to be well-included in the target article. This decision should not be considered precedent if a non-copyvio article is created on this topic. Rossami (talk) 20:58, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Cut Ending to Knights of the Old Republic II
If this information is copyrighted, we can't host it here. If it isn't, it should go to Wikisource. --RickK 06:30, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete/Decapitate with a lightsaber. --FCYTravis 06:38, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - while this may have been content deleted from the game, it doesn't need its own entry in the Wikipedia. --Epolk 07:53, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep- this is a subpage of KOTOR II, and a fairly important one for it. --maru 16:02, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * This isn't tertiary source material. It isn't even secondary source material.  This is primary source material (actual scripts, verbatim, extracted from files in the game). Don't include copies of primary sources.  If the scripts had been public domain or GFDL, the right place for them would have been Wikisource.  As it is the text is at the very least covered by a non-GFDL-compatible copyright (and almost certainly infringes the copyright of the game's creator, too).  Copyvio. --Uncle G 17:05, 2005 Jun 11 (UTC)
 * That isn't an argument for deletion- that's an argument for removing the offending material and leaving the rest (and not all of the article is "primary source") alone. --maru 17:44, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * That isn't an argument for deletion — It is on Wikipedia, when there's no non-violating version of the article to revert to. We do not keep copyright violations here.  The only non-violating version of the article is in fact this, the very first edit.  Given the content, reverting to that is largely pointless.  We might as well go the whole hog and remove the entire article.  not all of the article is "primary source" — Pretty much all of this article, bar 6 sentences (and external hyperlinks), is primary source material.  Uncle G 18:40, 2005 Jun 11 (UTC)
 * Keep and Cleanup to make it about the cut ending, rather than regurgitating the cut ending. -Rjo 18:08, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * You'd have to start the cleanup from this, to avoid basing it upon a copyright violation. Do you still argue for cleanup? Uncle G 18:40, 2005 Jun 11 (UTC)
 * You forget- most of the 'non-violating' stuff I added. I don't mind taking my (public domain) contributions and inserting them into the original edit. --maru 18:50, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I didn't forget, and that is exactly what you would have to do, yes. A significant fraction of your edits were alterations to the copyright violating text, though.  And minus the script dumps, what you would make here from that beginning would fit easily into Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords, which has plenty of room for 5 sentences (the 6th being irrelevant) and a few extra external hyperlinks.  Uncle G 20:10, 2005 Jun 11 (UTC)
 * Delete - primary source material, shaky legality, questionable notablility. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson 18:47, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. An encyclopedia describes and summarizes, it is not a textdump. Gamaliel 18:51, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge to Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords minus the copyvio stuff - I think the public domain stuff and links should still exists but the article is nothing w/o the script which should be removed. Yincrash 18:53, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge. It should never have been created as a separate article. --Woohookitty 18:59, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge with the KotOR II article, dropping the primary source text and adding more content. Links to the Restoration Project and the missing content should be added to the KotOR II article. --Nufy8 20:48, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge, definitely not worth its own article. --K1Bond007 20:06, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge, into KOTOR II. --Thunderbrand 20:43, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete: Why on earth go to the trouble of a merge of the small free material? There isn't anything really needful there, and, frankly, the game isn't exactly a great encyclopedia topic.  It's a great GameFAQs topic, but Wikipedia is not GameFAQs. --Geogre 02:48, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge into KOTOR II. This is a good article but I can see why people feel it should not have its own article. This is an important topic because the critism for KOTOR II's has become something of large discussion. And for the above user Wikipedia has many game articles. --User:Psi edit
 * Delete copy-vio stuffing. Merge to Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords. --Riffsyphon1024 08:46, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete/Lightsaber it. Don't care about legal issues, but this is hardly encyclopedic material, being nothing but game resources. Also add a link to a site where this material can be found to the main KOTOR II page. --Sikon 15:58, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep once copyvio issues are dealt with. The game was forced to production early, and the ending was a major disappointment, depite the commercial success of the game. Since the game sold so many copies and was a highly anticipated sequel, I think this is notable enough for its own article. --Scimitar 15:42, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Everything that you've just said is already said in Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords. What benefit is there in a duplicate article saying it again? Uncle G 21:24, 2005 Jun 13 (UTC)
 * Merge non-copyvio stuff. Sympleko ( Συμπλεκω ) 12:07, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per RickK and Uncle G. Quale 19:35, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep/Merge - Personally I feel that the best solution would be to wait until the Sith Lords Restoration Project is complete, then Merge it with the Main KOTOR 2 article. (unsigned comment by 80.42.153.146)
 * Keep - The article discusses the ending to a long, convoluted game with a planned epic climax likely including multiple character deaths that was left out to get the game released in time, making the end bizarre and nonsensical and robbing the entire influence system of its point. As such, there'll definitely be enough notability and demand for the subject, and enough to say about it to warrant a separate article. -- Kizor 14:47, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: This article's VFD poll is 10 days old. Still, no consensus is seen... --Sikon 16:47, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * What are the guidelines for an inconclusive VfD? Are they to err on the side of caution? --maru 17:29, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I do think they are. -- Kizor
 * 8 deletes, 5 keeps, and 9 merges by my count (numbers may not add up right due to people casting votes for two positions simultaneously). So definitely not delete, since 14 > 8, but whether to merge or keep goes both ways, depending on how you factor in the Delete votes, since they could tip it either way. --maru 21:45, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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 * This man's name is pretty obviously Peterson instead of Pieterson. To prove that there is a Hector Peterson Memorial Library in Cape Town, South Africa and finaly you can read his name at the Hector Peterson Memorial. --212.114.164.185 06:31, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * A google search for "Hector Petierson" soweto -wikipedia returns only 19 hits. With Peterson there are over 10,000. Move to Peterson ? Wizzy… ☎   11:20, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Hector's family insists that the correct spelling is Pieterson. The offical name of the first museum in Soweto is the Hector Pieterson Memorial Museum according to the telephone book. See Joburg council's site for Pitso or Petersen or Pieterson? --Jcw69 14:10, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Fine by me. Maybe these comments on the Talk page are enough ? Wizzy… ☎   14:21, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Date format
This is a South African article - so why are dates (June 16, 1976) in US format, rather than (16 June 1976) SA format? I didn't want to just go ahead and make the changes, but if there is agreement ...

COPYVIO!
I'm at work and can't investigate in detail, but |another site has exactly the same thing from "conflict" *forced off the computer* --Kizor 08:23, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Death Toll
I am a bit confused. This article states that,

"By the end of that fateful day 566 children were dead."

The article History of South Africa in the Apartheid Era, while refering to the exact same incident that,

"The official death toll on the day was 23 dead, but some placed it as high as 200."

Please clarify as to which is correct. It may be that I am reading one or the other incorrectly. If so, please clarify. Thank you.

The article "Soweto Uprising" dealing with the actual events of that day states: "The number of people who died is usually given as 176, with estimates of up to 700." It includes 3 references for this information. South African Government Information website claims approximately 700 deaths during the weeks following this event. Kokkieh (talk) 18:13, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Age
If he died at the age of 13, as the article states, he couldn't have been born in 1964. 69.137.220.179 23:12, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I noticed this as well. If he was 13, there's no way he was born in 1964. Tad Lincoln (talk) 01:22, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Picture
Why is the mentioned photograph not accompanying this article? 98.218.76.102 (talk) 04:37, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

This article appears to be biased. Example: when discussing the photograph that was taken of him. why does it say that they ran toward the photo-journalist "for publicity?" How do they know exactly the motive behind it? Could it not have been nothing more than the photographer happened to see them, and snapped the photo (as is often the case is such events). The entire article sounds as though it was written by a white, pro-apartheid individual, and lacks historic clarity. Please fix this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.178.203.48 (talk) 14:03, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You should fix it. Find the news sources and make the appropriate changes. --Moni3 (talk) 14:18, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Who shot Hector Pitso?
It's commonly implied that he has been shot by police, but what is the proof for this? --165.143.9.128 (talk) 15:34, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Seems nobody really knows this, or if they know, they don't tell us the truth. I'm sure Hector would still be alive, if he was in class learning what he was supposed to learn. --105.0.7.11 (talk) 13:03, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Your comment is not required as you are clearly a white supremacist. Our south African children had to take to the streets at that time to demonstrate against the evil apartheid system and the children were right to demonstrate.  The evil police and evil system of apartheid are accountable for their deadly actions against the indigenous youths of South Africa.. 86.6.98.203 (talk) 20:11, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

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Zolile was not a good boy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.245.122.59 (talk) 20:11, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

No one
Porn 41.116.108.43 (talk) 14:27, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

When did he die
He died in 1850 197.184.164.137 (talk) 21:48, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lorain County Young Democrats

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Lorain County Young Democrats
Nonencyclopedic political group - and I'm a Democrat. Do we need a few thousand Young Dem county pages with "hosted dinner with congresscritter" cruft? FCYTravis 06:33, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Unencyclopedic.  I generally support the Wikipedia is not paper doctrine and call for broad inclusion of most articles, but there still must exist a line somewhere. -SocratesJedi | Talk 06:40, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Primary author of Lorain County Young Democrats blanked this VfD page. Please add to watchlists to prevent. -SocratesJedi | Talk 06:43, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, vanity. RickK 06:41, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - non-encyclopedic. Epolk 07:49, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete — we don't need hundreds or thousands of YD or YR county group pages. Yes, Wikipedia is not paper, but we still have a policy of deleting "garage bands", and this is almost the political equivalent.  A case could be made for statewide YD/YR groups as there are good pages for some state political parties, but not for county ones.  (I still belive Lorain County, Ohio to be a perfectly fine place.)  Rlquall 10:53, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, I would clearly support state-level YD/YR articles on a notability and encyclopedic basis. Taking it the county level, though, is one step too far. --FCYTravis 11:00, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge all school/county chapters of Young Dems and Young Reps into the articles on the national orgs. -- BD2412 talk 13:38, 2005 Jun 11 (UTC)
 * Delete vanity. JamesBurns 04:33, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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Fan Museum

The Fan Museum, which opened in 1991, is the world's first museum dedicated to the preservation and display of hand fans. It is located within two grade II* listed houses that were built in 1721 within the Greenwich World Heritage Site on Croom's Hill in southeast London, England. Along with the museum, there is an orangery decorated with murals, a Japanese-style garden with a fan-shaped parterre, a pond, and a stream.

Overview
The museum owns over 6,000 fans and other fan-related cultural materials as of 2023. The oldest fan in the collection dates from the 11th century and the collection of 18th and 19th-century European fans is extensive. The entire collection is not displayed permanently due to conservation concerns, but there is a permanent educational display which teaches about fan history, manufacturing processes, and the various forms of fan. Exhibits include a fan with a built-in ear trumpet and one with a repair kit built into the design. Fan-making classes are also held at the Fan Museum. The Fan Museum also contains a reference library.

The Fan Museum is not publicly funded.

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Talk:Western Cape

Assessment Comment
Among the enhancements awaited are significantly more references.Gallador (talk) 23:55, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Figures
Figures have been edited by an IP used by a known vandale, User:205.188.116.74. Please vet the changes. --Wetman 06:35, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * The changes made by that IP were only to the dollar comparison (at a rate of R6.65 to the US$), so it seems like nothing fundamental was changed. As for the other more recent changes, please add sources - anonymous unattributed changes don't help too much. --Greenman 14 Jun 2005.

Municipal Demarcation
There has been changes in the demarcation of local municipalities and no mention is made that "local" muncipalities are grouped together into six "district" muncupalities. More info can be found at Municipal Demarcation Board and offical Weastern Cape government source. I attempted to start the process at Western Cape Province but links from that page need to be modified and the template at the bottom as well. So this should be a bottom-up edit and not top-down, and the local-municipal pages need to be changed/moved first. -- Warpedshadow 15:44, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I have re-organised all the WC municipalities into there districts and moved some of the pages to their new names. Warpedshadow 01:03, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Province
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After the long debate about whether or not to call Cape Town, City of Cape Town... I have another! :) What's everyone's view on using the word Province for all the provinces? It looks odd to me, and I know I'd never say 'Western Cape Province' or 'Gauteng Province'. They're just Western Cape, Gauteng, Mpumalanga etc. Joziboy 15 March 2006, 20:06 (UTC)

 * I know what you mean - certainly I wouldn't normally say "Western Cape Province", and it feels kind of wrong on all the articles. However, it is quite normal to talk about North West Province and Limpopo Province, if only to distinguish them from the cardinal direction and the river respectively. It seems to me that there are three choices:
 * sticking with the "Province" suffix on all 9 articles, which is probably technically correct with respect to the full name of the governmental entity - and after all, SA provinces are purely government entities; the provinces don't really have geographical significance.
 * dropping "Province" on the articles except Limpopo and North West, which would seem less wrong, but it wouldn't really be consistent.
 * dropping "Province" on all the articles, and change Limpopo to "Limpopo (South African province)" and similarly for North West. It also seems less wrong (to me), and more consistent with Wikipedia standards for disambiguating article titles.
 * I would be in favour of number 3, but I don't really have a strong opinion any way. - htonl 22:15, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, I wouldn't say Limpopo Province either. Prepositions usually clear up any confusion - "I'm going to Limpopo", "What's the capital of Limpopo?", "We have a house in Limpopo" all make it sound like it's the province. Else it would be the Limpopo. But yeah, I suppose it's not the end of the world either way. It just looks odd - we don't call South Africa "South Africa Country" :) Anyways, option 3 sounds good to me. Joziboy 16 March 2006, 15:13 (UTC)

Yup, count me in on #3 as well. I would very, very rarely add "province" when referring to any of our provinces. dewet|™ 15:19, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

I've copied this discussion to Talk:Provinces of South Africa, as it would seem to be more correct to have it there. - htonl 18:54, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

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Dissent on HIV/AIDs
I read that Western Cape broke with the national government on President Thabo Mbeki's policy of AIDs denial, significantly reducing death and infection rates compared to the rest of the country. I haven't found further references. Who was responsible for defying national policy? Were there repercussions? With more references, I might suggest including something on this issue, though I can't say where it would best fit. SpaceToast (talk) 16:21, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

AFRIKAANSLAND
The same way Lower Canada gave birth to QUEBEC Western South Africa will give birth to AFRIKAANSLAND with Afrikaans as the official language and driving thousands of Afrikaans-speaking South Africans to Afrikaansland. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.24.243.144 (talk) 15:46, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

 * That's moronic. Please don't hurt yourself.RiseRepublic (talk) 17:54, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

 * According to the census, only 20 % of the residents of the Western Cape speak English as their home language. Yet, the Premier of the Western Cape, who is from a party that claims to support multilingualism, delivers her State of the Province Address entirely in English. It is particularly shocking that Mrs. Zille, who is allegedly fluent in Afrikaans, couldn't make room for at least one paragraph in the language that is spoken by almost 50 % of the citizens she serves as head of the provincial government. I wonder why Western Capetonians do not demand a multilingual provincial government similar to the federal government of Canada for example. 161.24.19.112 (talk) 17:37, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

ANC Mandate
The first part of the introduction is accurate enough. However to say that "the Western Cape set itself apart early in post-apartheid South African history by being one of the two provinces to have rejected an ANC mandate" is overly political, and rather irrational. There was nothing automatic about ANC rule. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.197.15.138 (talk) 03:14, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Population Statistics
The population figures for Cape Town are not updated with figures from the 2011 census and do not reflect the proper demographics of the Western Cape population. Similarly, the page mentions that that Somerset West has a population of over 100 000 and Strand 50 000, when both of these have since being incorporated into the City of Cape Town municipality and thus are counted in the Cape Town population and should not be classified as cities on their own. I would suggest this page be updated with the correct population statistics.Sandelk (talk) 15:55, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

 * It's pretty commonly held opinion that Somerset West and Strand, though part of the City of Cape Town local authority, are distinctly separated from the continuous built-up zone of Cape Town by rural land and could be considered separate towns (Atlantis, Fisantekraal, Mamre, and Melkbosstrand can also be placed in this category). Of course there's no official definition of what is a city and what is just a suburb of another city. Other than that matter of opinion, what population statistics are you claiming to be inaccurate? - htonl (talk) 13:01, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

 * I am also hesitant when calling Somerset West part of Cape Town but when in doubt I still fall back on considering what ever is in the municipal area of City of Cape Town as part of the city. As such I think that Sandelk is right to ask for the stats to be updated accordingly and these areas to be included.--Discott (talk) 19:58, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

 * There aren't any stats to be "updated", though, as far as I can see. The only change would be to remove them from the list of towns. But if that is to happen then we must be consistent and also remove Atlantis, Mamre and Melkbosstrand which also fall within the City of Cape Town. - htonl (talk) 20:17, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Xhosa Translation
The Xhosa translation of "Western Cape" provided in the English article is different from the translation in the Afrikaans and Dutch articles. I don't speak Xhosa, but it would be nice if anyone who does could fix it.191.184.68.209 (talk) 17:37, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

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Did my best to break up the "Geography" section into bite-(not byte!)-sized, easily digestible portions with headings in bold. And rearranged some of the information. Also added an extra diagram to illustrate the information presented in the text. Hope this helps. Oggmus (talk) 15:04, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Provincial borders on topographical map
I was under the impression that the topographical map of the south-western corner of South Africa originally had the borders of the province superimposed on it. But going back into the history of the article I cannot find it. Could someone with the appropriate skills please draw those borders onto that map please. The "Geography" section would make a lot more sense if that were to happen. Oggmus (talk) 15:04, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

I now notice that User:Htonl's topological map does trace out the Province's boundaries, but they are almost invisible even when the map is viewed full size. So I have redrawn that map with a more emphasized boundary line, which, to my mind, looks better and is more informative, and in line with the text. Oggmus (talk) 11:53, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

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History
It seems somewhat strange that the history of Western Cape, if you read this article, only dates from the 1960s. Did nothing ever happen in what was to become the current province prior to that decade? Skinsmoke (talk) 17:46, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

 * For history of the Western Cape prior to this, I would recommend a link to the article on the Cape Province. --SmallMossie (talk) 12:23, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Independence Movement
While this is something we could reasonably cover we are going to need some third party sources (ie something other than the parties and campaign groups themselves) before we do so.©Geni (talk) 22:00, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Sorry for my ignorance, I'm quite new to adding information on Wikipedia. Why would third party resources be necessary? The paragraph only described the movement in of itself, describing the opinions that these parties and campaign groups hold. How could sources directly from these groups themselves then be considered inaccurate or inappropriate? So we would require third party articles describing their ideologies and the movement, but not something that comes directly out of the mouths of those supporting it? The media coverage on the movement is quite scarce so it might be hard to find sources fully describing it without input from a supporter. CapingThroughTheBlue (talk) 08:21, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

 * Third party sources provide some evidence that something is significant enough to cover and by using somewhat reliable third party sources we provide some coverage against the issue of people blatantly lying about themselves. see Verifiability.©Geni (talk) 15:16, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

I see a anonymous user once again added the section I wrote yesterday just as I was sending my message here. I'd like to be clear that this is not my doing, I want to respect the rules and culture of the website. If the paragraph is inadequate, I'm happy to make the appropriate changes for it to be on the article. CapingThroughTheBlue (talk) 08:26, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Geni, thank you for your response. I added new sources, are they more appropriate? CapingThroughTheBlue (talk) 13:59, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

 * Looks better.©Geni (talk) 05:57, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Proposed reformatting
I am not convinced that this should exist as a section of its own on this article. If we look at articles on provinces with similar independence movements (such as Catalonia and Quebec) this topic is referred to briefly in the introduction and expanded on in either/or both the history and politics sections of the article. I propose that we reform this article to meet the same format as those on article pages for provinces with similar movements in them.--Discott (talk) 17:43, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Other similar articles that also have this format would include Scotland (which is technically a non-independent country). It would also include Alaska, Taiwan (a non-reconised but functionally independent country), Tibet, Kashmir, Somaliland (same status as Taiwan), Chechnya, Kurdistan Region, Turkish Kurdistan (which includes multiple regions of Turkey), and Western Sahara. The Chinese province of Xinjiang seems to be an exception to this formatting trend.--Discott (talk) 18:10, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with the suggestion. The current text is poorly written, and has an evangelical tone to it, so needs serious attention anyway. A mention in the law and government section, like the other articles you mention, works for me. Greenman (talk) 18:56, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Geography
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Don’t use 2022 census for west cape
Look at the page of the 2022 SA census for more info, in short, census takers were not able to count accurately in the west cape, due to a myriad of reasons, the undercount is as much as freaking 31% percent!! So the demographics for the west cape are going to be pretty inaccurate, and it will be better to use the 2011 census. DirkjanenBert (talk) 21:34, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

 * Nah dude. The new census has issues but it's still more accurate than using data that's 12 years old. I spoke to Prof Tom Moultrie, demographer at UCT, and he said, quote, "Proportions are likely to be far more robust than the numbers". So when it comes to the race proportions you reverted I think we can reasonably use the new census stats. htonl (talk) 06:21, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Proportions are not more reliable than numbers, because the proportions are based off of numbers… using data that’s 12 years old is better than using wildly inaccurate data. DirkjanenBert (talk) 11:34, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
 * On this topic I believe a professor of demography more than a random editor. Bottom line, a national census is a reliable source unless you come with solid sources demonstrating specific inaccuracies (and not just speculation about the undercount). htonl (talk) 13:48, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
 * https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2023-10-12-how-much-can-we-rely-on-census-2022/ Read that. You say you “asked a demographer”, how am I supposed to verify that? I’m also just taking your word for it aren’t I? I frankly just don’t give a damn about Tom Moultry the holy demographer. DirkjanenBert (talk) 13:59, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

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Roy Orbison discography

Roy Orbison (April 23, 1936 – December 6, 1988) was an American singer-songwriter who found the most success in the early rock and roll era from 1956 to 1964. He later enjoyed a resurgence in the late 1980s with chart success as a member of the Traveling Wilburys and with his Mystery Girl album, which included the posthumous hit single "You Got It". At the height of his popularity, 22 of Orbison's songs placed on the US Billboard Top 40 chart, and six peaked in the top five, including two number-one hits. In the UK, Orbison scored ten top-10 hits between 1960 and 1966, including three number-one singles.

Born and raised in Texas, Orbison got his start in a rockabilly band in high school. According to The Authorized Roy Orbison, Orbison's first release was in March 1956 on the Je-Wel label. He broke into professional music under Sam Phillips at Sun Records in the summer of 1956, but he found only marginal success there. After a couple years writing for other musicians (including "Claudette", recorded by The Everly Brothers), Orbison recorded several songs at Monument Records under producer Fred Foster starting in 1959. With Foster, Orbison and his frequent songwriting partners Joe Melson and Bill Dees tailored many of Orbison's songs for his unique voice; his most popular songs were dramatic ballads ending with emotional crescendos that showcased his powerful vocals. After his biggest hit in 1964, "Oh, Pretty Woman", Orbison continued to record and chart intermittently in the UK and Australia, but it was not until 1987 that he again found the level of popular worldwide success he had known in the early 1960s, when his original recording of "In Dreams" was used in David Lynch's film Blue Velvet. The following year, Orbison co-founded the supergroup Traveling Wilburys with George Harrison, Jeff Lynne, Bob Dylan and Tom Petty. Lynne produced Orbison's final album Mystery Girl, which was released posthumously in February 1989.

This discography shows main official U.S. and U.K. releases. According to the discography in The Authorized Roy Orbison, there were numerous international single and album releases of importance (not released in the U.S. or U.K.) like the German "San Fernando" b/w "Mama" (London DL 20 726).

Compilation albums
There are hundreds of compilations and greatest hits of Roy Orbison released internationally. Below is a selection of all the compilation albums which have achieved global chart peaks. For a more complete list of compilation releases, see Discogs.

Collaborations and guest appearances

 * "Find My Baby for Me" – Sonny Burgess
 * "I Was a Fool" – Ken Cook
 * "Jenny" – Ken Cook
 * "I Fell in Love" – Ken Cook
 * "Rockabilly Gal" – Hayden Thompson
 * "Greenback Dollar", "Watch and Chain" – Ray Harris
 * "Cast Iron Arm" – Johnny Wilson
 * "You've Got Love" – Johnny Wilson
 * "Don't Do Me This Way" – Ricky Tucker (erroneously reported as being with Buddy Holly)
 * "Patty Baby" – Ricky Tucker (erroneously reported as being with Buddy Holly)
 * "Fools like Me" – Jerry Lee Lewis
 * "No One Really Cares" – Kris Jensen
 * "Shook Up" – Joe Melson
 * "Dance" – Joe Melson
 * "I'm in a Blue Mood" – Conway Twitty
 * "Tennessee Owns My Soul" – Bill Dees
 * "I Belong to Him" – Jessi Colter with Waylon Jennings
 * "Indian Summer" – Gatlin Brothers & Barry Gibb
 * "Leah" – Bertie Higgins
 * "Beyond the End" – Jimmy Buffett
 * "Zombie Zoo" – Tom Petty
 * "Life Fades Away" – Written by Glenn Danzig
 * "Crying" – k.d. lang
 * "Zigzag" on Zig Zag (Original Motion Picture Score) (MGM, 1970)

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Talk:Marxist feminism

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criticism section
Erm...should the criticism section really be longer than the main body of the article? Just a question. - Anon

 * If it takes more words to explain the criticism than the theory, then yes it should. - Corvus 2 July 2005 00:47 (UTC)

I agree with the concern of Anon above. Like many theories, Feminist Marxism can be explained quickly or in detail, so can the criticisms of it. Wouldn't it be possible to write a short description of evolution and then a book about the criticisms of it? Having a critique section longer than the article looks like a bias against it to me. - Another Anon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.83.179.125 (talk) 02:56, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

The first paragraph implies that capitalism is the root of women's oppression, despite the fact that women have been oppressed before capitalism arose. Marxist DO recognise this, and the article is wrong. The oppression of women came out of the development of CLASS SOCIETY, not specifically capitalism. - user:mattkidd12 18 July 2005 21:23

 * It was explained to me that Marxist Feminism is a subset of socialist feminism which specifically targets oppression of women arising from capitalism, not all forms of oppression. If the article implies all forms of oppression arise from capitalism then it is wrong, but that is not the impression I got. -- Corvus 18:47, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

I agree with mattkidd12's comments: Engel's book on the origins of women's oppression makes the case clear. Unless there are any objections, I suggest we revise that.--Duncan 13:53, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree absolutely. My interpretation of this is that Origins of the Family, Private Property, and the State by Engels should be considered the maiden voyage of Marxist feminism, and he is unequivocal that the historical domination of women began not with capitalism, but some millennia earlier with the overthrow of mother right. I suggest we find some citations for this and amend the article. --causa sui talk 23:31, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

"Radical Women"
Why does the article say "Radical Women, a major Marxist-feminist organization, bases its theory on Marx' and Engels' analysis".... Why not just "Marx' and Engels' analysis was"... It just looks like an unncessary name-check. --Duncan (talk) 12:04, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

updates made to Marist Feminism Page
The changes that have been done to the Marxist Feminist page; were done as a part of a project for an Introduction to Feminist Theory class, it was found that the information given on the original page was incomplete and needed to be added to. This was the goal of the project. To gain as much knowledge as possible and condense it, in order to give correct and complete information on the different subjects found in Feminist Theory. This is an attempt to expand the knowledge and history of Marxist Feminism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skylier Autumn (talk • contribs) Dec 9, 2008
 * Thanks for you contribution, it looks like it's the result of a fair amount of work and research. However, I think it's a mistake to completely rewrite the article, as you did, without discussing it first. The point of Wikipedia, after all, is that it is a collaborative encyclopedia, where we all correct and expand on each other's work. Although your rewrite added valuable new information, it also lost useful information from the existing article. So, I changed the article back to the version before your rewrite, but I don't want all your work to be wasted; please consider going through your version and adding information from it to the current article. I've stored your rewrite at User:Skylier Autumn/Marxist feminism, so you can use it to make additions to the current article. VoluntarySlave (talk) 19:13, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe that the 'The Three Waves of Marxist Feminism' and organisation of the key points section would be valuable to integrate into the current article.184.60.31.237 (talk) 04:31, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Cultural Marxist Feminism
Feminism itself is communism--it's Cultural Marxism using Critical Theory. I think this matter might be mentioned in the article. The emergence of feminism via the Frankfurt School (q.v.) should also be mentioned, to give more completeness to the article. --Just some suggestions. A good book to start with is "Red Feminism" by Kate Weigand. 50.202.81.2 (talk) 20:20, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Possible Issues In Writing Style etc.
The article could definitely use some revision. I think my brief critique can be best identified in the "Productive and Reproductive Labour" section. The first issue in the section is with the link two types of labor exist. The article is defining it as "productive and reproductive", but the link is sending it to "productive and unproductive". If these are different subjects the link should likely not exist. If it's the same subject, they difference should likely be reconciled between pages, or at least addressed in this particular article here. Secondly, this article is representing philosophical and/or economic theory. As such, to avoid being opinion and adhere as strictly commentary of opinion. Using statements like "according to..." and "as defined by..." tends to be preferable. The theoretical background on Marxism seems to do this appropriately, but you can tell it gets lost in the "productive and reproductive labour" section. I'm not even sure if this is a writing style issue or if the author of how it currently stands is actually just inserting opinion as fact (hopefully the former). Hobbeswood (talk) 00:48, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Social reproduction theory
A important trend to day in Marxist feminism seems to be social reproduction theory. (Since Lise Vogel, 1983?) I became aware of that trend trough https://monthlyreview.org/2018/01/01/women-nature-and-capital-in-the-industrial-revolution/. There is much about reproductive labour in the page, but no mention of social reproduction theory. There is a Wikipedia page about social reproduction, but in the sense of cultural heritage of social positions à la Bourdieu. I see therefore the following program: (1) mention social reproduction theory in this page; (2) a Social reproduction theory page; (3) a disambiguation page mentioning the new Social reproduction theory page and the existing Social reproduction page. I am in the comfortable situation of leaving this program to others because (i) I am not a social scientist; (ii) my English is not good enough. --Dominique Meeùs (talk) 06:36, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Gilman does not belong here
With some feat of acrobatics, it might be said that Gilman was a "socialist", but it's simply inaccurate to claim that she was a Marxist. Only one source cited claims that Gilman was a "socialist" and even here, it is claimed that she was a "19th century utopian modernis[t]", which was explicitly not a Marxist theory.

If Gilman's contribution to Marxist feminism is notable enough, it should be clearly stated that Gilman was not a Marxist. Otherwise the reference should be removed. If there is no discussion after a week or so, I will opt for the latter.

AndersLeo (talk) 13:34, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Removing Gilman would remove a lot of other valuable information that does relate to the Marxist feminism movement. I recommend rewording it to make it more accurate or incorporating another reference. Do you have another reference to replace Gilman with? Anne Phillips and Barbara Taylor can be good additions or starting points for a new reference for this section. Mjo82 (talk) 15:46, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

 * I have no issue with the references. And it's not a matter of simply replacing Gilman with some other reference. The issue is with referring to Gilman as a socialist with the further (erroneous) implication that Gilman is a Marxist feminist, which this article deals with. The point of contention is whether or not Gilman is a Marxist, a claim that none of the references support.

 * This applies not only to Gilman, but to a host of other theorists mentioned in the article. In that regard, Anne Phillips is not a "good addition" to the article, since Anne Phillips is not a Marxist. Merely critiquing liberal feminist theories does not make somebody a Marxist. In addition to specific theorists, there are some moderate WP:POV issues that need to be addressed as well. For instance, the claim that "In the capitalist system, two types of labor exist", where the link is a redirect to the page on Productive and unproductive labour, but the two types are referred to as "productive" and "reproductive". This is the claim of specific theorists who, although appropriately cited, do not necessarily represent the Marxist position. The statement is moreover non-exhaustive, as unproductive labour as espoused by Marx was not limited to reproductive labour (and furthermore, "reproductive" is not primarily used in the biological sense in Marxist literature).

 * That said, I am not opposed to the inclusion of decidedly non-Marxist theorists, as long as their contributions provide reasonable context for the Marxist feminist discourse. In that case, I recommend creating an entirely new section dedicated to non-Marxist feminists to very clearly indicate that they are, in fact, non-Marxist theorists, along with an explanation of their relevance to the development of Marxist feminist theory. AndersLeo (talk) 17:05, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Revert
I've done a manual revert of the page because the recent edits made by User:RTG were problematic for a number of reasons.

First: Multiple paragraphs were blanked, and entire new paragraphs were added. This is not necessarily a problem in and of itself, but most of the new edits involved detailed accounts of Engels' text, which has its own Wiki page and does not belong here.

Second: Content was added immediately before citations that were in the previous edit, effectively "piggy-backing" on the citation that was provided. If new content is added, the editor should decide whether or not the claim needs a source cited and if so cite properly.

Third: The edits were made in rapid succession, making collaboration and evaluation difficult. I may be mistaken, but to me this is seems to be poor etiquette. Unless there is a pressing reason not to do so, editors should try to make substantial edits at once, not 14 consecutive edits over the course of a few hours.

Fourth: Much of the added content was poorly worded and difficult to understand. In places where the content between the edits overlapped, the original edit represented a clearer overview of the subject.

AndersLeo (talk) 19:37, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

 * At this point, "However with the development of more effective methods of producing for human needs," the current article diverges from what is in the book. The section quotes to be emotive rather than explanatory.
 * "In a private ownership system, individuals who do not own land or other means of production are in a situation" -- This statement makes it seem as though we read two different books. I am talking about sitting with the book open on one page, and the article on another page beside it searching and reading exactly what Engels was explaining.
 * He doesn't just compare it to enslavement, but accuses it of being the very instigation of slavery as a part of human life.
 * He doesn't say "chastity and fidelity are rewarded"
 * These are just some points about the current section. It's not a copy edit. It's inaccurate over the most part. The truth of the book, which gives as much as it takes from the other "side", is much more convincing.
 * There is no "piggybacking".
 * I see several opinions of which none are focused. I have only described the main points of contention I can see in the section. ~ R.T.G 19:55, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

 * In my original edit, I left out explanation of "paired marriage", I made an assumption of my own "for the sake of the household", I left out "Asiatic" from his claim that there was abundant material to do the study, I left out the basis for the book being in Marx own works, and I didn't explain very well how the lineage of inheritance was skipping the males. When I came back and reviewed it the second time, I got the last of these points and considered it done. I got all the main points Engels makes up until the time where inequality is based, which I saw as the point of having a large explanation of the book in the section. I'm not particularly eager about any particular wording as long as it is accurate and representative. It's actually a quite deep and insightful study to that point in the book, not particularly focused on any politics so much as anthropology itself. That's my full two bits about it. ~ R.T.G 20:46, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

 * At this point, "However with the development of more effective methods of producing for human needs," the current article diverges from what is in the book. The section quotes to be emotive rather than explanatory.
 * The source text directly states that "All the surplus which the acquisition of the necessities of life now yielded fell to the man; the woman shared in its enjoyment, but had no part in its ownership." While you may be correct in saying that the section quotes are emotive rather than explanatory, that does not detract from the fact that they are germane to Engels' work in regards to Marxist feminism. In other words, the quote no less belongs to Engels as it stands simply because the editor has understood it outside of its intended context, as long as this biased understanding is not reflected in the article. I see no evidence that this is a type of "cherry-picking" of quotes. AndersLeo (talk) 08:19, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

 * "In a private ownership system, individuals who do not own land or other means of production are in a situation" -- This statement makes it seem as though we read two different books. I am talking about sitting with the book open on one page, and the article on another page beside it searching and reading exactly what Engels was explaining.✅
 * Yes, doesn't seem to conform with the literal text found in Engels' English translation. It's closer to the apparent translation used by the Communist Party of Peru in the 1974 statement |Marxism, Mariategui and the Women's Movement, which most likely originates from a translation from the English to Spanish, then from Spanish to English. If this is to be included, then it should be cited as such. AndersLeo (talk) 08:19, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

 * These are just some points about the current section. It's not a copy edit. It's inaccurate over the most part. The truth of the book, which gives as much as it takes from the other "side", is much more convincing. AndersLeo (talk) 08:19, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

 * There is no "piggybacking". ✅
 * On a second pass, I mostly agree. I'm not referring to rewording the explanation of Engels. I was referring to a more minor point about Engels' work being based on Ancient Society (1877), which I admit I extrapolated to be represented to the bulk of the edits. AndersLeo (talk) 08:19, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

 * I see several opinions of which none are focused. I have only described the main points of contention I can see in the section.✅
 * As other have pointed out, this article has a lot of serious issues and could, in this editor's opinion, be completely revamped. I'm not criticizing edits generally. My criticisms address mainly: 1) That the article should include Engels' work only insofar as it is relevant to Marxist feminism, leaving the most substantial overview of the text to its own Wiki page, which already exists, 2) That the edits were poorly worded and difficult to understand. AndersLeo (talk) 08:19, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

 * "It's actually a quite deep and insightful study to that point in the book, not particularly focused on any politics so much as anthropology itself."
 * Agree and disagree. Both Marx and Engels engage in an anthropological study. This is why it's even more important to emphasize that references to "Asiatic" society and so on are carried out as anthropological comparisons between societies, not orientalist generalizations of "civilized vs barbarians" that characterized much of the literature in their time. Moreover, it should be underscored that while both Marx and Engels were engaged in analysis, at no point could their contributions be understood as apolitical. Dialectic materialism as espoused by Marxism requires analysis through practice. Otherwise it is not Marxist. AndersLeo (talk) 08:19, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

 * I didn't mean to suggest that your edits were wholly unproductive. You make some salient points. The readability is secondary to content, in my opinion, and there's no reason we can't, as a community of editors, work on improving good content. What's more, where there's disagreement about the content itself, there's no reason we can't discuss it. My suggestion is that making fewer, but more substantial edits rather than smaller rapid-fire edits would improve collaborative work in this direction significantly. AndersLeo (talk) 08:19, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

 * Hi, when I say it diverges, given this topic is feminism, there is an awful lot of debate about the family and social position relevant to feminism, but the article skips that and goes to the effect of the acquisition of wealth. Given this is close to a major politics topic, I have my head in my hand at that stage. I mean, this is a real anthropological study of the nature and background of the family structure. A lot of interesting terms and connections are made. Assumptions are challenged and made. Someone has read that for the purpose of this article, skipped all the good stuff, and gone straight to complaining about the money, because this is a political genre after all, is my opinion.

 * Okay you agree there to an extent. Marxists is not giving me the link. I'll be more succinct. He is not talking about "private ownership system" at the relevant point in the book. What he says about ownership is, in my words, the man owned the outside world for gathering, and the woman owned the world of the house, and they both worked at what they owned, and their work was seen of equal value, providing a balance. There is none of this modern economic political rhetoric. It's is totally an anthropological study, at least up until the point where he claims subjugation is secure and slavery begins.

 * He doesn't argue specifically that a womans social disposition is "not biological", or that it revolves around "reproductive capacity". It says monogogamy would ensure that "only" his children... Engels didn't put it like that. Engels said to ensure any inheritance at all in the male line. He didn't portray it as greedy at all and in fact supports the move as a step forward accompanied by a step back, as I quoted in the article to show it is a major point he is making,

 * "Thus the heritage which group marriage has bequeathed to civilization is double-edged, just as everything civilization brings forth is double-edged, double-tongued, divided against itself, contradictory: here monogamy, there hetaerism, with its most extreme form, prostitution. For hetaerism is as much a social institution as any other; it continues the old sexual freedom – to the advantage of the men. Actually not merely tolerated, but gaily practiced, by the ruling classes particularly, it is condemned in words. But in reality this condemnation never falls on the men concerned, but only on the women; they are despised and outcast, in order that the unconditional supremacy of men over the female sex may be once more proclaimed as a fundamental law of society."

 * I have no prior knowledge about Engels or reading of his work specifically that I can recall. My main political bias is general negativity, and not only for the politicians, so mix ups in that genre are unlikely from me. If you consider anti-oppression a politic, then yes, that part of the book has occasional reference to inequality for the woman in both past and present times. If you consider equality between the sexes a part of nature, then no there is no politics in it at all, at least up to the point of enslavement.

 * Poor wording gets corrected over time. Inaccuracy must be stopped at a point with all other priorities rescinded. Now that's a politic.

 * There is no need to apologise for the book, and if you engage in doing so, bias is guaranteed. Keywords here are, impartial, dispassionate, neutral. All that is required to achieve this goal is to point out that the author was a close colleague of Marx, and based the book on Marx own writing. No conclusions should be drawn unless separately represented by reliable sources.

 * As far as I saw it, I was done with the section. My small fire edits were merely supposed to finish off, regarding the issues mentioned in my first response. There is no attempt by me to be poetic or anything like that, but my goal here is to disseminate the relevance of the book accurately. I'm not sure I can alter the rest of the article so significantly, but I probably will check at least some of it for, the more significant points, as most of the material seems to be available and this is a somewhat important topic in my estimation, beyond adherence to Marxism for instance, and should be accurate. ~ R.T.G 10:28, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

 * In my impatience I have come all the way around to finishing and reducing the section hoping that it might be smaller and more accurate than it was last week. I dropped most of the discussion on the precepts and the quotes, and otherwise don't think I missed any major relevant points. I've gone up to about page 30-35 where he says subjugation is secure and slavery begins as a feature of society, as what the previous version seemed to be aiming at. ✅ ~ R.T.G 15:09, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Sex work
While sex work is a worthy section for this topic, the current content could be deleted entirely. I've kept it for now until there's either something to replace it or more discussion in favor of removing earlier.

Deltacubes (talk) 04:56, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) Unsure of the relevance/importance of Sobel's work. If there's something compelling about his analysis then that should be added. In the meantime I've removed the "brings forth a challenging perspective" language since the claim is not, on its face, new or challenging.
 * 2) Similar quibble with Phillips and Taylor. What's the relevance to Marxist feminism/Marxism?
 * 3) Is SWOP a Marxist feminist organization? I can't find any reference to them as such, and "normalizing sex work" isn't a Marxist project. Not sure why they're here.
 * 4) Plenty to be added, but that's surely not surprising for a two-paragraph section that starts in 1980. Engels, Kollontai, and Lenin are the first who come to mind.
 * 5) Could use a brief intro or definition but not yet sure of scope.

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Sirmilik National Park

Sirmilik National Park (Inuktitut: "the place of glaciers" ) is a national park located in Qikiqtaaluk, Nunavut, Canada, established in 1999. Situated within the Arctic Cordillera, the park is composed of three areas: most of Bylot Island with the exception for a few areas that are Inuit-owned lands, Kangiqłuruluk, and Baffin Island's Borden Peninsula. Much of the park is bordered by water.

Geographically, it is representative of the Northern Eastern Arctic Lowlands Natural Region as well as parts of the Lancaster Sound Marine Region.

Etymology
In the Inuktitut (or Inuit language, traditionally spoken across the North American Arctic) Sirmilik means "place of glaciers," as it represents Bylot Island's plethora of glaciers and ice caps. As Canadian Arctic Inuktitut-speakers referred to northern Baffin Island as Sirmilik, the name of the geographic region became the name of the national park.

History

Extensive archaeological exploration of the park area has indicated that the area has been inhabited by humans for thousands of years. The earliest known are predecessors of the modern-day Inuit.

The area was explored by European whalers and by explorers in their search for the Northwest Passage. In the 1610s, the area was surveyed by British explorers William Baffin and Robert Bylot. They named several features of the area including Lancaster Sound and Bylot Island in 1616. It was 200 years before the next official attempt to find the Passage through this area. The expedition by the British explorer John Ross in 1818 confirmed the accuracy of Baffin's charts, but ended when he saw what he believed were mountains blocking the end of Lancaster Sound. The area was later thoroughly explored during an extensive aerial mapping program of Northern Canada by the Canadian Government which took from the 1930s until the late 1950s to complete.

The Byam Martin Mountains on Bylot Island were climbed by Pat Biard and then Ben Farris in 1954, including Mount Thule. In 1963 British explorer Bill Tilman traversed the island, but did not climb any of the larger peaks. In 1977, a Canadian expedition of Rob Kelly and others climbed 20 peaks of Bylot Island, and in 1984 Mike Schmidt with others climbed 28 peaks, including 16 first recorded ascents.

The park was first established as a bird sanctuary in 1965 and monitored by the Canadian Wildlife Service because of its seabird colonies. The area officially became a national park in 2001. Today, the area is inhabited by the Inuit who continue to hunt and fish as their ancestors did.

The park was the subject of a short film in 2011's National Parks Project, directed by Zacharias Kunuk and scored by Andrew Whiteman, Dean Stone and Tanya Tagaq.

Geography and climate
The park consists of three separate land and marine components. These are Oliver Sound, located to the south of Pond Inlet, characterised by a long narrow fjord flanked by towering cliffs and glaciers, the plateau and river valleys of the Borden Peninsula and Baillarge Bay, and finally Bylot Island, characterised by its rough terrain with mountains, coastal lowlands, icefields and glaciers. Hoodoos are unique eroded formations on Bylot Island and the Borden Peninsula. Evidence shows that the area was scoured by the Laurentide Ice Sheet, a massive sheet of ice that covered hundreds of thousands of square miles at least 20,000 years ago.

The Borden Peninsula extends north for 225 km and is 64 km – 169 km wide. The northern area, including the Hartz Mountains, are composed of flat, dissected rock rising to over 914 m above sea level. Admiralty Inlet forms a western border, with Elwin Inlet also to the west, while Navy Board Inlet forms a border to the east, separating the peninsula from Bylot Island. Navy Board Inlet's coastal cliffs rise to 457 m.

Bylot Island lies off the northern end of Baffin Island and with an area of 11067 km2, it is ranked 71st largest island in the world and Canada's 17th largest island. It is also one of the largest uninhabited islands in the world. While there are no permanent settlements on this Canadian Arctic island, Inuit from Pond Inlet and elsewhere regularly travel to Bylot Island. An Inuit seasonal hunting camp is located southwest of Cape Graham Moore. The Byam Martin Mountains extend from east to west across Bylot Island and are an extension of the Baffin Mountains which in turn form part of the Arctic Cordillera mountain system. The highest mountain in the range is Angilaaq Mountain, 1951 m, located near the island's centre. The Byam Martin Mountains are made up of Archean-Aphebian igneous crystalline rock and Proterozoic metasedimentary and metamorphic rock, such as gneiss. Sharp peaks and ridges, divided by deep glacier-filled valleys are typical features in the range and has been extensively modified by glacial erosion. Extensive glaciers dot the island including the Kaparoqtalik Glacier. Vertical cliffs along the coastline are made up of Precambrian dolomite. The island's north shore faces Lancaster Sound, a polar bear maternity den area, also noted for its high concentrations of marine wildlife. To the northeast of the park is Baffin Bay and to the south lies Pond Inlet and Eclipse Sound.

In the north of Baffin Island, there is a polar maritime climate which means long, cold winters and short, cool summers. The spring does not end until mid-June and the warmest period is late July and early August, with average maximum temperatures of 10 °C. The coldest month is January as the average maximum temperatures of about −30 °C. Rainfall is relatively abundant, contributing to the flora seen in the park.

Fauna and flora
Beluga whales, Arctic foxes, seals, Arctic hares, walruses, and caribou are found in this park. Bylot Island is a migratory area for narwhals. Sirmilik is one of eight Canadian national parks that contains polar bears. Arctic wolves roam and inhabit this park.
 * Fauna

A major seabird colony is located in the area of Baillarge Bay. Seabird colonies are also located on Bylot Island which have a large colony and nesting area of greater snow geese. More than seventy species of birds have been recorded here, of which about forty are known to breed. The park is known to be an important bird sanctuary. In 1965, Bylot Island enclosed within the park was also declared as a "Migratory Bird Sanctuary" in view of the large number of migratory birds in the area. A record 100,000 birds are reported to pass the park during summer months every year, and the large geese population of the island is known to constitute the most abundant herbivores of the island. On some of Bylot Island's rugged cliffs within the park, thousands of nesting birds can be found including 300,000 thick-billed murre and 80,000 black-legged kittiwake.

The wetlands of the park (10% of the area) have abundant vegetation of water sedge (Carex aquatilis), white cottongrass (Eriophorum scheuchzeri) and tall cottongrass (Eriophorum angustifolium). Other types of grass include the Fisher’s tundragrass (Dupontia fisheri), the polar grass (Arctagrostis latifolia) and semaphore grass (Pleuropogon sabinei). In addition, several species of brown moss have been recorded. In the Arctic environment of the southern part of the island 360 species of plants have been documented, which are considered to have rare quality and productivity.
 * Flora

Vegetation in the upland (on hill slopes and terraces) which constitute 90% of southern drier areas of the park consist of forbs, such as Arctic heather (Cassiope tetragona), mountain avens (Dryas integrifolia), Arctic poppy (Papaver radicatum) and mountain sorrel (Oxyria digyna), grasses, such as polar grass (Arctagrostis latifolia), northern foxtail (Alopecurus alpinus), bluegrass (Poa arctica) and northern wood rush (Luzula confusa) and shrubs, such as Arctic willow (Salix arctica) and northern bilberry (Vaccinium uliginosum).

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Chalcogenide glass

Chalcogenide glass (pronounced hard ch as in chemistry) is a glass containing one or more chalcogens (sulfur, selenium and tellurium, but excluding oxygen). Polonium is also a chalcogen but is not used because of its strong radioactivity. Chalcogenide materials behave rather differently from oxides, in particular their lower band gaps contribute to very dissimilar optical and electrical properties.

The classical chalcogenide glasses (mainly sulfur-based ones such as As-S or Ge-S) are strong glass-formers and possess glasses within large concentration regions. Glass-forming abilities decrease with increasing molar weight of constituent elements; i.e., S > Se > Te.

Chalcogenide compounds such as AgInSbTe and GeSbTe are used in rewritable optical disks and phase-change memory devices. They are fragile glass-formers: by controlling heating and annealing (cooling), they can be switched between an amorphous (glassy) and a crystalline state, thereby changing their optical and electrical properties and allowing the storage of information.

Chemistry
Most stable binary chalcogenide glasses are compounds of a chalcogen and a group 14 or 15 element and may be formed in a wide range of atomic ratios. Ternary glasses are also known.

Not all chalcogenide compositions exist in glassy form, though it is possible to find materials with which these non-glass-forming compositions can be alloyed in order to form a glass. An example of this is gallium sulphide-based glasses. Gallium(III) sulphide on its own is not a known glass former; however, with sodium or lanthanum sulphides it forms a glass, gallium lanthanum sulphide (GLS).

Up until recently, chalcogenide glasses (ChGs) were believed to be predominantly covalently bonded materials and classified as covalent network solids. A most recent and extremely comprehensive university study of more than 265 different ChG elemental compositions, representing 40 different elemental families now shows that the vast majority of chalcogenide glasses are more accurately defined as being predominantly bonded by the weaker van der Waals forces of atomic physics and more accurately classified as van der Waals network solids. They are not exclusively bonded by these weaker vdW forces, and do exhibit varying percentages of covalency, based upon their specific chemical makeup.

Applications

Uses include infrared detectors, mouldable infrared optics such as lenses, and infrared optical fibers, with the main advantage being that these materials transmit across a wide range of the infrared electromagnetic spectrum.

The physical properties of chalcogenide glasses (high refractive index, low phonon energy, high nonlinearity) also make them ideal for incorporation into lasers, planar optics, photonic integrated circuits, and other active devices especially if doped with rare-earth element ions. Some chalcogenide glasses exhibit several non-linear optical effects such as photon-induced refraction, and electron-induced permittivity modification

Some chalcogenide materials experience thermally driven amorphous-to-crystalline phase changes. This makes them useful for encoding binary information on thin films of chalcogenides and forms the basis of rewritable optical discs and non-volatile memory devices such as PRAM. Examples of such phase change materials are GeSbTe and AgInSbTe. In optical discs, the phase change layer is usually sandwiched between dielectric layers of ZnS-, sometimes with a layer of a crystallization promoting film. Other less commonly used such materials are InSe, SbSe, SbTe, InSbSe, InSbTe, GeSbSe, GeSbTeSe and AgInSbSeTe.

Intel claims that its chalcogenide-based 3D XPoint memory technology achieves throughput and write durability 1,000 times higher than flash memory.

Electrical switching in chalcogenide semiconductors emerged in the 1960s, when the amorphous chalcogenide was found to exhibit sharp, reversible transitions in electrical resistance above a threshold voltage. If current is allowed to persist in the non-crystalline material, it heats up and changes to crystalline form. This is equivalent to information being written on it. A crystalline region may be melted by exposure to a brief, intense pulse of heat. Subsequent rapid cooling then sends the melted region back through the glass transition. Conversely, a lower-intensity heat pulse of longer duration will crystallize an amorphous region. Attempts to induce the glassy–crystal transformation of chalcogenides by electrical means form the basis of phase-change random-access memory (PC-RAM). This technology has been developed to near commercial use by ECD Ovonics. For write operations, an electric current supplies the heat pulse. The read process is performed at sub-threshold voltages by utilizing the relatively large difference in electrical resistance between the glassy and crystalline states. Examples of such phase change materials are GeSbTe and AgInSbTe.

In addition to memory applications, mechanical property contrast between amorphous and crystalline phases is an emerging concept of frequency tuning in resonant nanoelectromechanical systems.

Research
The semiconducting properties of chalcogenide glasses were revealed in 1955 by B.T. Kolomiets and N.A. Gorunova from Ioffe Institute, USSR.

Although the electronic structural transitions relevant to both optical discs and PC-RAM were featured strongly, contributions from ions were not considered—even though amorphous chalcogenides can have significant ionic conductivities. At Euromat 2005 it was shown that ionic transport can also be useful for data storage in a solid chalcogenide electrolyte. At the nanoscale, this electrolyte consists of crystalline metallic islands of silver selenide dispersed in an amorphous semiconducting matrix of germanium selenide.

The electronic applications of chalcogenide glasses have been an active topic of research throughout the second half of the 20th century and beyond. For example, the migration of dissolved ions is required in the electrolytic case, but could limit the performance of a phase-change device. Diffusion of both electrons and ions participate in electromigration—widely studied as a degradation mechanism of the electrical conductors used in modern integrated circuits. Thus, a unified approach to the study of chalcogenides, assessing the collective roles of atoms, ions and electrons, may prove essential for both device performance and reliability.

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Mobile Suit Gundam: The Last Outpost

Mobile Suit Gundam: The Last Outpost (新機動戦記ガンダムW デュアルストーリー G-UNIT) is a manga series created and written Kōichi Tokita, first serialized in Kodansha's Comic Bom Bom magazine from September 1997 to April 1998, compiling up to 3 volumes. Tokyopop licensed the manga outside Japan. Kadokawa Shoten reprinted the manga series in a Shinsō-ban edition with Tokita's involvement, and is also released in 3 volumes from October to November 2020. A sequel manga was also serialized in Kadokawa Shoten's Gundam Ace magazine from August 2019 to November 2021.

The manga series is a spinoff of Mobile Suit Gundam Wing. Unlike most other Gundam Wing manga, G-UNIT introduces an entirely new cast of characters and mobile suits and does not feature any of the anime characters or Gundams, with the exception of a few brief cameos.

Story
The events outlined in the G-UNIT manga begin following the collapse of the United Earth Sphere Alliance government. The OZ organization, which subsequently rose to power, sought to quickly build a support base among the space colonies. One of the colonies which pledged its support was MO-V, a backwater asteroid belt colony with about 100,000 residents, known mainly for its outdated Leo production facilities. Because mobile dolls like the Taurus were replacing the aging Leo model, MO-V was largely ignored by OZ. However, a few people, notably Romefeller Foundation head Duke Dermail, knew about the colony's secret project to develop high-powered mobile suits.

Characters
Odin Bernett: Odin begins as a rash pilot who rushes headlong into fights before evaluating them. Initially enthusiastic about his role as a peacekeeper and Gundam pilot, Odin is forced to face reality as the war drags on. This experience helps him to grow more mature and responsible. Additionally, his skills also improve and he is able to activate the PX System and eclipse his brother's abilities.

Odel Bernett: Odel is calm and collected and possesses a good intuition both in and out of battle. His piloting skills are impressive, but he often finds himself on the losing end of fights. Still, his resolve to help MO-V survive is never suppressed, nor does he ever lose sight of his objectives. After losing Geminass unit 02, he adopts the identity "Silver Crown" and dons a mask to continue fighting from within Prize.

Lucille Aisley: Lucille is a mechanic, her duties include programming the unit's systems and repairs, and she is highly proficient in both. She secretly harbors feelings for Odin but is more vocal in her displeasure for his various shenanigans.

Tricia Farrell: Trica is a communications officer, her chief duties are operating the colony's communications and tracking equipment. She is Odel's fiancée.

Roga Hermann: Roga is the colony representative, he formerly worked with their father Mark and dreamed of humanity crossing the stars. Hermann cares deeply about the lives of his people and is determined to save the colony with as minimal damage as possible.

Dick Higasaki: Dick is the chief engineer, he is an expert at repairing the Gundams and has made several impressive modifications to their complicated PX systems. He even whips up mobile dolls to serve as colony defenses from spare Leo parts and stolen data Odel brought from Grand Shario.

Roche Nattono: Roche is the leader of the Stardust Knights. He is devoted to knightly honor and pride above all things. However, that pride got the best of him when he was humiliated in battle against Odin, and he became enraged at his supposed inferiority. After Valder Farkill assumed leadership of his team, Roche joined MO-V's defenses and learned to keep his emotions in check.

Kratz Silvy: Kratz is a Member of the Stardust Knights. She follows Roche but does not agree with his chivalrous ways. Thus, he welcomes the arrival of Farkill and happily joins his side so he can fight as effectively and brutally as he truly desires. His lust for power leads to his demise, however, as he pushes his mobile suit and mind past their limits.

Broom Brooks: Although his size and custom mobile suit speak volumes about his brute force, Broom is totally loyal to Roche's knightly approach and operates with restraint when called for. His refusal to accept Farkill's tactics results in his destruction.

Dr. Berg: Formerly a mobile suit designer at MO-V, he defects to OZ Prize and continues to play both sides against the other by continually upgrading their Gundams. His goal is to develop the perfect weapon and will happily make whatever sacrifices necessary without any question of morality. His failsafe, the "Auto-Destruct Program Berg-01" he activated with his last breath, further proves his shallow nature.

Valder Farkill: Nicknamed "Dark General of Destruction". In the battle against the UESA, he was in the same team as Zechs Merquise (the elite OZ "Specials"), but Farkill recorded more kills than everybody else combined. Farkill's abilities are nearly unmatched in combat, and he is driven by the mad desire to defeat Treize Khushrenada, a dream that he never got to realize.

Luna Armonia: Luna's beauty and charm cover her dark past, filled with ruthless combat and painful memories. She grew up as a guerilla and, along with sister Soris, managed to survive several difficult years before becoming a mobile suit pilot. She and Soris were recruited by Farkill and served him until their units were destroyed by Grand Shario's main cannon. She managed to survive, however, and was present at the Bernett-Farrell wedding.

Soris Armonia: Soris lacks Luna's grace but is a superb pilot, unwavering in the face of the enemy and unafraid to lose her life for what she believes. She helped her sister Luna survive a harsh guerilla war before becoming a mobile suit pilot. She and Luna served Farkill until their units were destroyed by Grand Shario's main cannon. She managed to survive, however, and was present at the Bernett-Farrell wedding.

Aretha Walker: She is an officer aboard Grand Shario. She secretly harbors feelings for Roche Nattono and happily obeys any orders he gives. During Operation Pandora, she defects to MO-V to be at Roche's side.

Lon Sernan: Lon is a Tech officer. He was present at Lake Victoria base when it was attacked by the Shenlong Gundam (Gundam Wing episode 4, The Victorian Nightmare) and was later assigned to space fortress Barge. Sernan went to MO-V on a secret intelligence-gathering mission but was intercepted by Prize. He was rescued and taken to the colony, where he helped with MO-V's mobile suits until the war's end, when he joined the Preventers as Agent Quatorize.

Captain Cage: Cage is the barge officer, he ordered Sernan on a top secret reconnaissance mission that was to be on his authority only - not even Lady Une was to know. Having apparently escaped Barge's destruction, he joined the Preventers after the war.

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