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Nights in White Satin

"Nights in White Satin" is a song by the Moody Blues, written and composed by Justin Hayward. It was first featured as the segment "The Night" on the album Days of Future Passed. When first released as a single in 1967, it reached number 19 on the UK Singles Chart and number 103 in the United States in 1968. It was the first significant chart entry by the band since "Go Now" and its recent lineup change, in which Denny Laine and Clint Warwick had resigned and both Hayward and John Lodge had joined.

When reissued in 1972, the single hit number two in the US for two weeks on the Billboard Hot 100 (behind "I Can See Clearly Now" by Johnny Nash) and hit number one on the Cash Box Top 100, making it the band's most successful single in the US. It earned a gold certification for sales of over a million US copies (platinum certification was not instituted until 1976). It also hit number one in Canada. After two weeks at #2, it was replaced by "I'd Love You to Want Me" by Lobo. It reached its highest UK position this year at number 9. Although the song did not enter the official New Zealand chart, it reached number five on the New Zealand Listener's chart compiled from the readers' votes in 1973. The 1972 single release of "Nights in White Satin" was inducted into the Grammy Hall of Fame in 1999.

The song enjoyed a recurring chart presence in the following decades. It charted again in the UK and Ireland in 1979 reaching numbers 14 and 8, respectively. The song charted again in 2010, reaching number 51 in the British Official Singles Charts. It has also been covered by numerous other artists, most notably Giorgio Moroder, Elkie Brooks, and Sandra, and has been used in a variety of cultural mediums, including commercials and films.

Production
Band member Justin Hayward wrote and composed the song at age 19 while touring in Belgium and titled the song after a girlfriend gave him a gift of satin bedsheets. The song itself was a tale of a yearning love from afar, which leads many aficionados to term it as a tale of unrequited love endured by Hayward. Hayward said of the song, "It was just another song I was writing and I thought it was very powerful. It was a very personal song and every note, every word in it means something to me and I found that a lot of other people have felt that very same way about it."

The melody of the song resembles that of Ben E. King's 1963 song "I (Who Have Nothing)", although the instrumentation makes "Nights in White Satin" sound different.

The London Festival Orchestra provided the orchestral accompaniment for the introduction, the final rendition of the chorus, and the "final lament" section, all of which were in the original album version. The "orchestral" sounds in the main body of the song were actually produced by Mike Pinder's Mellotron keyboard device, which would come to define the "Moody (Blues)'s signature sound".

The song is written in the key of E minor and features the Neapolitan chord (F).

Single releases
The two single versions of the song were both stripped of the orchestral and "Late Lament" poetry sections of the LP version. The first edited version, with the songwriter's credit shown as "Redwave", was a hasty-sounding 3:06 version of the LP recording with very noticeable chopped parts. However, many versions of the single are listed on the labels at 3:06, but in fact are closer to the later version of 4:26.

Some versions, instead of ending cold as most do, segue briefly into the symphonic second half ("Late Lament") and, in fact, run for 4:33 (but are also listed on the label as 3:06). For the second edited version (with the song's writing credited to Hayward), the early parts of the song were kept intact, ending early at 4:26. Most single versions were backed with a non-LP B-side, "Cities".

Reception
Although it had only limited commercial success on its first release, the song has since garnered much critical acclaim, ranking number 36 in BBC Radio 2's "Sold on Song Top 100" list.

Cash Box said that the "intense mood of the funk orchestration serves up an atmosphere that penetrates to the very core of this depressed love ballad" and praised the "terrific instrumental break and a searing vocal."

Classic Rock critic Malcolm Dome rated it as the Moody Blues' greatest song, calling it "one of the best singles from the late 60s." Ultimate Classic Rock critic Nick DeRiso rated it as the Moody Blues' 2nd greatest song. Classic Rock History critic Brian Kachejian rated it as the Moody Blues' 8th greatest song, calling it "a great song, a beautiful historic song."

Graeme Edge credits the song's belated success in 1972 to autonomous DJs in the United States who would play the song despite its length. He explains to Rolling Stone in 2018: "There used to be things called regional breakouts. Instead of the big conglomerate radio stations like now, there were these FM guys and they had their own playlists. DJs were stars in those days and they prided themselves on discovering new talent. We had a regional breakout in Seattle. I think after the breakout started happening, there was a decision to re-promote it in other areas. It spread from Seattle down to San Francisco and down to L.A. It was going great everywhere, slowly going up the charts again until in the end it got to Number Two. But it sold a hell of a lot of records because it took so long to get up there."

"Late Lament"
The spoken-word poem heard near the six-minute mark of the album version of the song is called "Late Lament". Drummer Graeme Edge wrote the verses, which were recited by keyboardist Mike Pinder. On Days of Future Passed, the poem's last five lines bracket the album and also appear at the end of track 1 ("The Day Begins").

While it has been commonly known as part of "Nights in White Satin" with no separate credit on the original LP, "Late Lament" was given its own listing on the two-LP compilation This Is The Moody Blues in 1974 and again in 1987 (without its parent song) on another compilation, Prelude. Both compilations feature the track in a slightly different form than on Days of Future Passed, giving both spoken and instrumental tracks an echo effect. The orchestral ending is kept intact, but mastering engineers edited out the gong (struck by Mike Pinder) that closes the track on the original LP as it relates to the closing of the original album (with Side 1 beginning with the gong fading in) and not the track alone.

From 1992 through the early 2000s, the Moody Blues toured with shows backed by live orchestras. When with orchestral accompaniment, they often took the opportunity to include "Late Lament" in the performance of "Nights in White Satin". On these occasions, Edge recited it himself, since Pinder had left the band.

Personnel

 * Justin Hayward – 12-string acoustic guitar, lead vocals
 * Ray Thomas – flute, backing vocals
 * Mike Pinder – Mellotron, backing vocals, narration (on "Late Lament"), gong
 * John Lodge – bass, backing vocals
 * Graeme Edge – drums, backing vocals, percussion

 * Additional personnel
 * Peter Knight and the London Festival Orchestra – orchestral arrangements

Sandra version
A cover version of "Nights in White Satin" was released by German singer Sandra on her sixth studio album Fading Shades (1995). It was produced by Michael Cretu.

The song was released as the lead single off Fading Shades in the spring of 1995 and failed to match the success of Sandra's previous singles. The song only reached #86 in Germany, becoming her least successful lead single there to date, and #34 in New Zealand, where it remains her only charting single. It fared much better in Israel where it peaked at number 1, and was a Top-20 hit in Finland, and a top 10 airplay hit in Poland.

The music video, directed by Angel Hart, showed only close-ups of Sandra's face as she was pregnant at the time. A still from the video was later used on the Fading Shades album cover. The music video was released on Sandra's 2003 DVD The Complete History.

Formats and track listings

 * CD maxi single
 * 1) "Nights in White Satin" (Radio Edit) — 3:35
 * 2) "Nights in White Satin" (Club Mix) — 6:05
 * 3) "Nights in White Satin" (Techno Mix) — 5:29
 * 4) "Nights in White Satin" (Jungle Mix) — 6:09
 * 5) "Nights in White Satin" (Dub Version) — 4:02

 * 12" maxi single
 * A1. "Nights in White Satin" (Club Mix) — 6:05
 * A2. "Nights in White Satin" (Techno Mix) — 5:29
 * B1. "Nights in White Satin" (Jungle Mix) — 6:09
 * B2. "Nights in White Satin" (Dub Version) — 4:02

Elkie Brooks version
Elkie Brooks recorded the song for her 1982 album Pearls II.

 * 7 Single UK and Ireland
 * A. Nights In White Satin	4:35
 * B. Lilac Wine (Live Recording) 6:08

 * 7 Single Promo
 * A. Nights In White Satin	4:35
 * B. Lilac Wine (Live Recording) 6:08

 * 7 Single New Zealand and Australia
 * A. Nights In White Satin 4:37
 * B. Thank You For The Light 3:31

 * 7 Single Spain
 * A. Nights In White Satin	4:35
 * B. Lilac Wine (Live Recording) 6:08

Other cover versions

 * Italian band Nomadi released a version of the song as a single in 1968 with the title Ho difeso il mio amore reaching #20 in the Italian chart. The lyrics of this version differ significantly from the original.
 * German singer Juliane Werding covered the song in German as "Wildes Wasser" for her 1973 album Mein Name ist Juliane. The single reached #40 in Germany.
 * Giorgio Moroder recorded the song as "Knights in White Satin" for a 1976 album of the same name. His cover reached #44 on the Walloon singles chart in Belgium.
 * Los Angeles punk rock band the Dickies recorded a cover of the song for their 1979 LP Dawn of the Dickies. Released as a single, it charted in the top 40 on the UK singles charts.
 * The group Il Divo released their cover "Nights in White Satin (notte di luce)" on the 2006 album Siempre. Their version reached #81 in Switzerland.
 * A cover by the Dutch singer Erwin Nyhoff reached the top 5 in the Netherlands in 2012.
 * Rachael Leahcar recorded a cover of the song for her debut album Shooting Star (2012). The song reached #43 in Australia.
 * Oceans of Slumber recorded a cover of the song for their album Winter (2016).
 * Progressive rock supergroup Transatlantic released a cover of the song on the special edition bonus disc of their album Kaleidoscope (2014).
 * The Relentless released a cover of the song on their album American Satan (2018).

Theme park attraction and other uses
The work was reinterpreted as the focus of Nights in White Satin: The Trip, a dark ride at the Hard Rock Park theme park in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, U.S.A. The attraction, which included 3D-black light and fibre-optic lighting effects and purpose-made films, was developed by Sally Corporation and Jon Binkowski of Hard Rock Park. Riders entered through a bead curtain and were provided with 3D glasses.

The attraction operated as "The Trip" for the single 2008 season the park operated as Hard Rock Park, but was rethemed as "Monstars of Rock" with the sale and retitling of the park as Freestyle Music Park; "park officials said the experience will be similar but the presentation will be changed." Freestyle Music Park would cease operations after its only season as such in 2009.

Nights in White Satin was the title of a 1987 film directed by Michael Barnard, and starring Kip Gilman and Priscilla Harris. The Moody Blues recording of the song was featured prominently in the soundtrack, particularly during a rooftop dance sequence.

In late 2023, the song was featured in a commercial for Bleu de Chanel featuring actor Timothée Chalamet. The song also gained further attention for its use in the 2012 Tim Burton film Dark Shadows, where it features as a prominent part of the soundtrack and saw use in marketing material.

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Swedish Defence Materiel Administration

The Swedish Defence Materiel Administration (Försvarets materielverk, FMV) is a Swedish government agency that reports to the Ministry of Defence. The agency is responsible for the supply of materiel to the Swedish defence organisation. It is located in Stockholm.

Directors General since 1968

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 * 2012–2015: Lena Erixon
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Thank you!!! :D most nagyon meg vagyok hatódva és még büszkébb vagyok a Miskolc szócikkre :) Alensha 17:44, 13 December 2005 (UTC) have you seen my translation of your Hungarian Cave Bath article? let's hope this one will end up on the main page too :D Alensha 23:04, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Just checked, nice job! :) I only wish we had a more interesting picture to it like one of the hall or at least the "shell", which is currently under construction --Serinde 19:25, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

It would be good, but I don't visit baths often, especially in winter, and I'm not fond of the idea of paying 1600 just to take some photos :) I couldn't get to the shell because the construction workers fenced in the whole area. I'll try to find out whether we can use any photos from the official site, but I've just criticised their webmaster's work and I'm not sure it'll be taken kindly, so it'll be better to wait a while :) Alensha 23:24, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

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Thanks for your help - this has become a real battle! Istvan 16:16, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi Serinde, you may be happy to hear that 56 is now scheduled for FA on 23 October. Istvan 04:56, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

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Talk:CSE Revue

Closed deletion listing
This article was listed for deletion on 26 May, 2005. The discussion was closed with the result of no consensus. This article will not be deleted. You can view the discussion, which is no longer live: Votes_for_deletion/CSE Revue. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 18:55, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I've merged the article with UNSW Revues, per the actual apparent consensus. One delete, two merges and one half-keep does not make a "keep". Ambi 01:36, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree with the above comment. - Bambul 04:23, June 10 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Gaston Caperton

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OK, calmypal -- you slapped on the POV tag about a month ago. What's the objection?

B.Wind 18:53, 9 Jun 2005

 * "What's the objection?" Did you even read it? It looks like the whole thing was copied directly from a campaign document, present tense and all! Examples: "revolutionary" improvement in education, "among Caperton's most visionary accomplishments," "under his innovative leadership," etc. I should probably work on this later. - Calmypal (T) 19:17, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC)

Cleanup
I worked on some of the NPOV wording and whatnot. There is more to do, however, including adding some of the criticisms of his administration and an expansion of his roll in improving the SATs. Youngamerican 15:13, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

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Km130
advertisment Lord Voldemort 18:56, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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 * Delete it's been blanked anyhow. jglc | t | c 19:50, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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 * Delete - see also User:Km130 A curate's egg 20:01, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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 * delete - see also User:Km130 VFD'd Josh Parris ✉ 02:30, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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Golden Lion Throne
non notable Dune thing. deleteMelaen 18:57, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, notable Dune thing. jglc | t | c 19:42, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not important enough to be worth merging anywhere. --Carnildo 22:44, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, notable Dune thing but not important enough to be worth merging anywhere. Kappa 22:54, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment There is not enough here on which to base a vote. Would those arguing 'keep' like to expand it, to show notability and context? --Doc (?) 23:11, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Upon consideration of other like WP:FICT entries, merge and redirect to House Corrino jglc | t | c 15:11, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete no evidence of notability CDC   (talk)  00:19, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete or merge somewhere. And I don't see how something too insignificant to merge warrants its own article. -R. fiend 00:36, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge with House Corrino, WP:FICT. Radiant_ >|< 09:29, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge/Redirect to House Corrino as per WP:FICT. -- Lochaber 10:15, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete: Fancruft. Items and settings in fiction need to be hugely important to the fiction to be worth recording, and, if they're hugely important, they're needed in the article on the fiction, not in solo locations. Geogre 13:00, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge and Redirect to House Corrino. carmeld1 16:08, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Merga and redirect like mentioned above. Sasquatch′↔Talk↔Contributions 21:27, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
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Talk:Oracle ZFS

zfs share
Add section to discuss 'zfs share' feature?

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ZFS is Allocate-On-Write
"This, when combined with the copy-on-write transactional semantics of ZFS, eliminates the write hole error. RAID-Z is also faster than traditional RAID 5 because it does not need to perform the usual read-modify-write sequence" ... but read-modify-write is Copy-On-Write. ZFS do not need to modify the original block. Something must be wrong!

NTFS for example is Copy-On-Write. read, write backup, modify and write new block. WAFL is Write-Anywhere or Reallocate-On-Write. read, modify fixed block, write new block to anywhere inside Flex Volume. ZFS is something like Allocate-On-Write. Perhaps it only need to write the new block inside Pool, because it use flexible block sizes.

I did some changes on the german wiki, but it's hard to find any good explaination for it. Help is needed! — Preceding unsigned comment added by SchaubFD (talk • contribs) 20:39, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

 * Read-modify-write here means to read an entire RAID stripe in order to modify only part of it together with a new checksum. This happens when only a block smaller than a whole stripe is written. This is avoided here by use of a variable stripe size.
 * Copy-on-write only needs read-modify-write if the written data is smaller than the smallest possible stripe size (physical block size) or if it is not aligned to a block size. -- Juergen 87.175.215.51 (talk) 14:02, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

datasets
The article mentions datasets, but does not explain what that is. -- Juergen 87.175.215.51 (talk) 13:54, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Dataset is a collective name for zfs filesystems and zvols.

A zvol is a block device created in a zpool. Typically used as a swap device and/or dump device by the OS. Can also be used to house an iSCSI or Fiber channel LUN, and for databases and other applications that expect to use a raw or block device. Can also be used to house another type of filesystem, such as UFS, FAT, ISO9660, etc.

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RFC: merging or reorganizing ZFS and OpenZFS to more accurately represent the implementations of ZFS [ENDED. Consensus was: Refactor]

 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Should the ZFS and OpenZFS articles be merged or reorganized, and if so, in what way? If not, how do we approach the issues caused by the term "ZFS" referring to two implementations and the file system each develops (their coverage overlaps by about 99% for our purposes)? FT2 (Talk 19:56, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Summary of issue
We have 2 articles covering pretty much 3 almost-identical/overlapping "meanings" of ZFS (as seen from a Wikipedia perspective). They probably have 99% overlap. They are:
 * 1) ZFS the filing system, covering what ZFS is and how it works, and its history as a filing system, and then two specific major implementations of ZFS:
 * 2) Oracle's ZFS (an implementation by Oracle) and
 * 3) illumos and OpenZFS's ZFS (a second implementation technically managed by two teams, also refers to the project/team; their implementation was originally based on Oracle's wayyy back in 2006 but has been independent for many years).

The implementations of ZFS themselves are probably about 99.9% identical for the purposes of our coverage. Once ZFS itself is described, the histories of Oracle's and OpenZFS' versions, and any differences, would probably fit into quite a modestly sized/small section however we organize these topics.

Right now the ZFS article is a bit disingenuous. Our article on OpenZFS is fine, but our coverage of ZFS in depth (where users looking up the filing system will inevitably go), is within our article at ZFS ... and that article portrays ZFS as an Oracle product, and written by Oracle, despite that for over 10 years it's been two distinct forks, one of which has nothing at all to do with Oracle since about the days of the Pentium 4.

What to do? I don't want to leave the ZFS article representing ZFS as "Oracle", because 50% of it isn't, and that 50% is also used in far more operating systems and operating system installations than Oracle's. On the other hand to merge them (which feels sensible TBH) would replace OpenZFS by either a redirect to ZFS, or a short article with two sections ("details of ZFS" + "OpenZFS" history) almost all of which would be repeated pretty much identically or in more detail in ZFS anyhow. I've patched it a bit but it still needs dealing with.

I feel like these two articles really should be fully merged from a strictly wiki perspective, and the merged article should then emphasize both variants equally and cover their history. It would add almost nothing (lengthwise) to the ZFS article. Normal handling of very similar/overlapping topics also suggests this approach. But I have a bit of a concern that this could upset some users who might potentially be quite attached to continuing to have a specific OpenZFS-specific article.

An alternative would be to redo the split, and refactor into two articles called ZFS and Implementations of ZFS, the first covering the file system, the second covering the two variants and their histories.

Hence this RFC, to seek community views on covering these topics in a single article that's neutral to both implementations, or two articles splitting the topic between ZFS itself vs specific implementations. How should these related topics be presented?

I've also specifically asked User:Dsimic's comments, as the contributor who has made the majority of edits at OpenZFS.

FT2 (Talk 19:48, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Discussion
Refactor. The article is quite long and I like the techie stuff away from the history stuff as I'm likely to be interested in one or the other at any particular point in time. Currently mulling about article naming and a couple of other issues. May be a bit of a pity to disrupt the openZFS article. Djm-leighpark (talk) 10:21, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Comment. I don't feel qualified to !vote on what should be done about the two articles covering three closely-related topics. But I find it disappointing that the two articles don't each do more to make the reader aware of the existence of the other. Maproom (talk) 06:25, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Refactor for the reasons mentioned by User:Djm-leighpark. I definitely agree with the position that we have an unnecessary fork here. I'd be happy with an article about ZFS which briefly mentions the history of the different implementations, and then goes into technical details, and a separate article about the history of the projects. --Slashme (talk) 06:10, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Refactor, per nom. “WarKosign” 07:38, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Comment ...disingenuous... and that article portrays ZFS as an Oracle product, and written by Oracle -- Yes it is Oracle's product and nothing disingenuous in stating this (besides the fact it was developed by Sun and a bit of tweaking by Sun again but within Oracle). Forks have their own names. On the contrary, it is disingenous to overpomote forks, which are just tweaking of the major invention by Sun. Yes, Support refactoring everywhere where articles are long. Refactoring must be done per WP:Summary style. (1) Main article must describe the essentials (Origin, basic description, development history). (2) Technical detail common to all flavors (such as " Inappropriately specified systems" and "ZFS terminology and storage structure") is separate page. (3) Tables of forks and supported OSes is a separate page. (4) Significant forks are separate pages. (5) And of course PROVIDE THE FREAKING REFERENCES! Staszek Lem (talk) 17:57, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Close by opener
Thanks everyone who contributed. I left the RFC open a while (almost 4 weeks) to get decent response levels.

As the consensus is pretty clear and it doesn't look like anyone else is planning to close it, I've closed it myself. If anyone wants to reopen and get an uninvolved close, that's fine by me.

I've started an article to address the fairly clear consensus, at History and implementations of ZFS, if anyone's interested. It'll take a bit of time, but in a while it'll be a decent article in its own right, and then the existing articles can be sorted out and link to it, completing the RFC consensus. Please do help! FT2 (Talk 13:05, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

 * The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Separating ZFS and OpenZFS
Hi, fellow Wikipedians!

As ZFS is a trademark belonging to Oracle, I don't think it's appropriate to lump together the open-source fork and the closed-source repo. Besides, the development of Oracle ZFS is pretty much unknown now because of its closed-source nature. Any publicly available feature additions should go to OpenZFS. Tomskyhaha (talk) 01:24, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Advice and glossary removed
I removed glossary and advice in these edits:

It's not the purpose of Wikipedia to teach how to use ZFS. If anyone is interested in writing a detailed guide to ZFS, they can post it on the OpenZFS wiki or on Wikibooks. There are some manuals for open-source projects on Wikibooks already.

As noted in WP:!:

Wikipedia is an encyclopedic reference, not an instruction manual, guidebook, or textbook. Wikipedia articles should not read like:
 * 1) Instruction manuals. While Wikipedia has descriptions of people, places and things, an article should not read like a "how-to" style owner's manual, cookbook, advice column (legal, medical or otherwise) or suggestion box. This includes tutorials, instruction manuals, game guides, and recipes. Describing to the reader how people or things use or do something is encyclopedic; instructing the reader in the imperative mood about how to use or do something is not. Such guides may be welcome at Wikibooks instead.
 * 2) Textbooks and annotated texts. Wikipedia is an encyclopedic reference, not a textbook. The purpose of Wikipedia is to present facts, not to teach subject matter. It is not appropriate to create or edit articles that read as textbooks, with leading questions and systematic problem solutions as examples. These belong on our sister projects, such as Wikibooks, Wikisource, and Wikiversity. Some kinds of examples, specifically those intended to inform rather than to instruct, may be appropriate for inclusion in a Wikipedia article.

Tomskyhaha (talk) 01:38, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 18 May 2020

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: The dab page stays where it is. The history and implementations page has been moved to ZFS and will serve as a common article for Oracle ZFS and OpenZFS. Anything common to both can be moved to ZFS but the other two will stay as standalone articles. Oracle ZFS and OpenZFS may be moved again to more natural titles, but that can be discussed separately. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:51, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Oracle ZFS → ZFS – Undiscussed controversial major move of ZFS Djm-leighpark (talk) 07:55, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * This is a contested technical request. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 11:09, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

 * If Oracle ZFS is the dominant meaning of the initials ZFS. Else, move ZFS (disambiguation) to ZFS. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 11:12, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

 * @ ... this is all back to front. At 18 May 2020  moved ZFS to Oracle ZFS without discussion on .  That may have been good move, but it can also have been a rubbish move and should have been discussed in my opinion.  IT may well be supported, I may even support it myself.  But it is not a move I would have expected to see without discussion.    ZFS (Oracle filesystem) would be a more appropriate name perhaps if it was to be moved from ZFS.  Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 14:04, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * @ No, Oracle ZFS is not the dominant meaning of the initials ZFS. As of 2020, Oracle has all but ceased development and marketing on its proprietary implementation, which is only available on Solaris, a platform of which Oracle has laid off all core development staff back in 2017. ZFS mostly refers to OpenZFS and its implementations on different platforms. OpenZFS is under active development. Tomskyhaha (talk) 15:31, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

 * Is there a better solution? I came here after trying to fix File systems, which now links to a redirect to the dab.  In particular, I looked at the link under encryption (dubious, since that's not a key feature of ZFS) and found OpenZFS to be a clone of Oracle ZFS (just like the software it describes).  Are readers best served by having two articles here, or should they be merged to form one article called ZFS which is the clear primary topic for the term? Certes (talk) 16:01, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Votes

 * Oppose @: My fault not opening discussion before moving. My arguments are 1. OpenZFS (forked from last public release of OpenSolaris) has diverged enough (50% code rewritten, numerous feature additions) from ZFS as developed by Oracle after 2010, so the two filesystems should be separated. 2. ZFS as the article name for the one developed by Oracle is simply not enough to signify its Oracle ownership. As one can see in previous revisions, lots of material exclusive to the open-source fork was added in this article partly due to not demonstrating a clear distinction between the two. 3. In several documents published by Oracle, ZFS has been referenced as Oracle ZFS (as in Oracle ZFS Storage Appliance and Oracle Solaris ZFS (as in Oracle® Solaris ZFS Administration Guide, Oracle Solaris ZFS File System (Introduction). Admittedly, instances of referencing the filesystem simply as ZFS also exist throughout in the latter document. This "Oracle ZFS" & "OpenZFS" problem also exists on related articles such as History and implementations of ZFS. Tomskyhaha (talk) 15:21, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Pinging recent contributors on this page:, , , , . Tomskyhaha (talk) 16:13, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * @: My key concern was there should have been concensus for this move prior to it being actioned; and probably should have been moved back from once there is a concern; now it hasn't been, and ignoring the "proposal" here, (Maybe I screwed up parameter order and section at ) the question really is: Should this article have remained under the name "ZFS", or is everyone happy with the move to "Oracle ZFS", or should the name have been ":ZFS (Oracle filesystem)", or should the name be something else? Djm-leighpark (talk) 17:34, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * @: Perhaps we should wait for a week or two before making conclusions on the suitability of the article name. Obviously there hasn't been enough people aware of this change. Tomskyhaha (talk) 00:44, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The worst thing to be done is swinging it back and forth. The fact there has been no uproar, apart from me, implies the people and Larry are not immediately happy with "Oracle ZFS", but yes, best to wait a week or two for further responses.
 * Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 02:47, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * ZFS has almost never been referred to as Oracle ZFS. As I mentioned earlier, the name Oracle ZFS Storage Appliance is not "a storage appliance based on Oracle ZFS"; it is "an Oracle-branded storage appliance based on ZFS".
 * The fact that it is often referred to as "Oracle Solaris ZFS" does not support the name "Oracle ZFS".--NapoliRoma (talk) 14:00, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * @: I agree with you on this point. The current article name is not well thought out and should be changed to something like ZFS (proprietary filesystem) or Oracle Solaris ZFS, as I've suggested in Talk:Oracle ZFS.

 * Oppose: Keep the status quo that each article on this topic has its own specific name: there's no article which unambiguously is the main topic for the three letter acronym ZFS. I would prefer the disambiguation page to be moved to ZFS, leaving ZFS_(disambiguation) as a redirect to ZFS, but I don't feel that strongly about that aspect. --Slashme (talk) 04:43, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Although still registered as an Oracle trademark in some countries, the common usage of ZFS today is as a generic term which includes OpenZFS.  ZFS (disambiguation) is now WP:MALPLACED and should be at the base name ZFS.  Certes (talk) 14:32, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Support (a significant main article at "ZFS"). Well over 500 pages already link to the three-letter "ZFS", mostly expecting to find some sort of technical article about the filesystem.  I suspect very few of those links are bothered in the slightest about trademarks, commercial takeovers and other squabbles; they simply want something technical at the end of the link. Feline Hymnic (talk) 15:22, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree that "ZFS-type file systems" is the dominant meaning, but that topic doesn't have a single article. Certes (talk) 15:37, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * @: (1) There are some major problems with both Oracle ZFS and OpenZFS, one of those is not drawing a clear distinction between the two filesystems. Take encryption for example: encryption was not added in Oracle ZFS until pool version 30 in 2012 (the last open-source release was version 28, released in 2011). Encryption was added in 2019 at version 0.8 (pool version 5000) in ZFS on Linux (a distribution of OpenZFS, which itself is transitioning to OpenZFS on Linux and FreeBSD ) These two are incompatible in every way, yet the articles failed to differentiate the two filesystems. （2) About the duplicates in OpenZFS: Most of the technical contents in OpenZFS was copied from Oracle ZFS by myself as a starting point separating them. Before that, OpenZFS was mostly about the project. （3） In my opinion ZFS now mostly refers to OpenZFS, as Oracle ZFS is only supported on Solaris, a platform discontinued in 2017. People are using OpenZFS on Linux, FreeBSD and other platforms, not the Oracle one. Tomskyhaha (talk) 22:42, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * @: As noted above, the problem is not just the trademarks: the two are technically incompatible. A ZFS pool created with later Oracle ZFS could not be used on (OpenZFS) ZFS on Linux, 50% of the code was rewritten, etc. Tomskyhaha (talk) 23:03, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

 * @ But how does that address the existing hundreds of articles that link to that page? Could you outline how you would propose fully resolving that, please? Thanks. Feline Hymnic (talk) 09:42, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

 * Support The proper name for the article about the filesystem ZFS should be "ZFS", and the filesystem named ZFS is still the most notable use of that initalism.  "ZFS" should be the article, and "ZFS (disambiguation)" should remain the dab page.
 * There is no entity mentioned on Oracle's own site canonically called "Oracle ZFS". (The top hits for "Oracle ZFS" on oracle.com is for the Oracle ZFS Storage Appliance, which is a storage appliance made by Oracle based on ZFS, not a storage appliance using "Oracle ZFS".)
 * Reverting a unilateral name change not supported by popular usage should be non-controversial.--NapoliRoma (talk) 01:19, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * There is no entity mentioned on Oracle's own site canonically called "Oracle Sun", but Sun is still about our star because the Oracle brand is not the term's primary topic. Secondary sources use the term ZFS as a generic term, like Hoover (UK) or Xerox (US), whether describing implementations by Oracle or by the open source community, as here and here. Certes (talk) 09:17, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

 * There is no consensus to be found here. it would help if you could make your opinion known on this issue (rather than just complaining about the procedural irregularities). Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:17, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I confess to not having followed the zfs filesystem much over the last two or three years so am not totally up to speed. As illustrated from the above arguments the move of this subject from "ZFS" (the original status quo" to "Oracle ZFS" 04:13, 18 May 2020 should probably have been pre-discussed.  I could have moved it back myself at the time but that might have been a contentious decision.  For most mortals the core features of zfs of both Oracle zfs and openZFS will be identical and probably coverable in one article called ZFS or ZFS (filesystem).  As soon as we have both "Oracle ZFS" and "openZFS" we likely have a WP:CFORK.  I apologise as my mind is elsewhere .. I have a new book, I have an article with an "Under Construction" to sort.  Simple answer is per  .. "Reverting a unilateral name change not supported by popular usage should be non-controversial".  Because of changes to he article it might unfortunately be necessary to go back to Oldid 955898691 for example as some later changes may relate refocus of the purpose of the article; however most would argue some of the content changes were good.  I know its not helpful but I was really looking to go with consensus of up to date ZFS gurus on this one; and I see no consensus to go with.  Realise this doesn't help much.  Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 21:22, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

 * The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Reorganisation

 * Suggestion I could move this back to ZFS per the status quo but I don't particularly want to revert 's good faith edits to the article. What if we were to move History and implementations of ZFS to ZFS with the idea of making this a general article about the file system, suitable for the general reader? Then the other two articles could stay where they are. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:17, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I support that idea. Most of the content currently common to Oracle ZFS and OpenZFS can then be split out and merged into the article moved to ZFS.  We then have three articles: ZFS as a concept; Oracle's implementation-specific details, history and marketing; and OpenZFS-specific content.  It's also extensible to ZFS+ and to any further implementations which might become notable in future.  ZFS (disambiguation) can stay as is.  Certes (talk) 09:47, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Support the suggestion per and refinement by ; albeit not planning at this time to assist in any implementation.  It is hopefully a normalisation that has the potential for reducing WP:CFORK and should have the potential to able to appeal to those needing an overview of ZFS or have touched it and are interested to see its progression.  Small details pertaining to particular version are best left to the manuals or WikiBooks.  Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 11:32, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Count me in. This approach could solve the links to ZFS problem mentioned by while not blurring the line between Oracle ZFS, OpenZFS and other distributions / implementations. Tomskyhaha (talk) 11:39, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It might also be desirable to move Oracle ZFS to ZFS (Oracle filesystem), ZFS (proprietary filesystem) or something similar, as noted above, Oracle ZFS is not supported by popular usage. Tomskyhaha (talk) 12:03, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Good point. The current title seems to be a good-faith but misguided attempt at natural disambiguation. Certes (talk) 12:13, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I can also help. I have a computing background and Sun experience but have never used any form of ZFS in anger.  I think that most of the Oracle ZFS article is actually about ZFS in general and should move into ZFS.  For example (or if you enjoy irony), compare OpenZFS with Oracle ZFS. Certes (talk) 12:13, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Post RM
How do we best go about reorganising the articles? A 2018 RfC and subsequent edits left us with three articles: ZFS, Oracle ZFS and OpenZFS. The last two have substantial duplication: the white parts of and the text omitted from it. Do we want ZFS to contain details common to all ZFS versions, with the other two articles opening with a brief summary but concentrating on Oracle-specific and OpenZFS-specific details? Essentially it would mean moving the white text, suitably organised, into ZFS. That would split both the history and the technical detail across three articles but may still be the best way to proceed. What do others think? Certes (talk) 13:17, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Looks fine to me. Although the article name Oracle ZFS might warrant further discussion. --Tomskyhaha (talk) 14:15, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

I have performed a major reorganisation of ZFS, Oracle ZFS and OpenZFS. I added and removed very little but I hope that each piece of text now appears once in the most appropriate place. Further improvements, and a better title for Oracle ZFS, would be very welcome. Certes (talk) 15:24, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Proposed merger
proposes merging this article (currently titled Oracle ZFS) with ZFS. There is clear continuity between the subject matter of ZFS (the pre-2010 open-source versions) and this article (Oracle's proprietary releases). However, much of the content of ZFS (#Features, #Limitations, #Data recovery) applies to OpenZFS as much as to [Oracle] ZFS, which is why it was duplicated and is now a separate article. We shouldn't give the impression that ZFS is an Oracle product and these are its exclusive features.

If we do plan to merge, we should first agree which of the two pages lives on as the "main article" (probably this one, as its history is longer) and what its title should be (I !vote for "ZFS" with a prominent hatnote to OpenZFS). Pinging, who moved this article from the title ZFS last month. Certes (talk) 14:52, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

 * Disregard. I see this discussion already took place recently and the decision was to leave it as is. I don't really support that decision, but I will respect it. Removing hatnote. Kstern (talk) 19:07, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

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Stephen Mitchell (translator)

Stephen Mitchell (born 1943 in Brooklyn, New York) is a poet, translator, scholar, and anthologist. He is best known for his translations and adaptions of works including the Tao Te Ching, the Epic of Gilgamesh, works of Rainer Maria Rilke, and Christian texts.

Education
Stephen Mitchell was born to a Jewish family, educated at Amherst College, the University of Paris, and Yale University, and "de-educated" through intensive Zen practice. He studied for four and a half years with Zen master Seungsahn and for two and a half years with Robert Baker Aitken, Rōshi.

Career
Mitchell's translations and adaptions include the Tao Te Ching, which has sold over a million copies, Gilgamesh, The Iliad,  The Odyssey, The Gospel According to Jesus, Bhagavad Gita, The Book of Job, The Second Book of the Tao, and The Selected Poetry of Rainer Maria Rilke. He twice won the Harold Morton Landon Translation Award from the Academy of American Poets. His Selected Rilke has been called “the most beautiful group of poetic translations [the twentieth] century has produced” (Chicago Tribune), his Gilgamesh was runner-up for the first annual Quill award for poetry, and his Iliad was one of the New Yorker's Favorite Books of 2011.

He is also coauthor of three of his wife's bestselling books: Loving What Is, A Thousand Names for Joy, and A Mind at Home with Itself. His 2019 book, Joseph and the Way of Forgiveness, is a Zen-inflected midrash on the Joseph story from the Book of Genesis. The First Christmas is a reimagining of the Nativity story.

Personal life
Mitchell is married to Byron Katie, founder and promoter of the self-inquiry method 'The Work.'

Poetry

 * Parables and Portraits, HarperCollins, 1990, ISBN 0-06-092532-9

Fiction

 * The First Christmas, St. Martin's Essentials, 2021, ISBN 978-1-250-79069-9
 * Joseph and the Way of Forgiveness, St. Martin's Essentials, 2019, ISBN 978-1-250-23989-1
 * The Frog Prince: A Fairy Tale for Consenting Adults, Harmony Books, 1999, ISBN 0-609-60545-3
 * Meetings with the Archangel: A Comedy of the Spirit, HarperCollins, 1998, ISBN 0-06-018245-8

Nonfiction

 * A Mind at Home with Itself: How Asking Four Questions Can Free Your Mind, Open Your Heart, and Turn Your World Around, by Byron Katie with Stephen Mitchell, HarperOne, 2017, ISBN 0062651609
 * A Thousand Names for Joy: Living in Harmony with the Way Things Are (with Byron Katie), Harmony Books, 2007, ISBN 0-307-33923-8
 * Loving What Is: Four Questions That Can Change Your Life (with Byron Katie), Harmony Books, 2002, ISBN 1-4000-4537-1
 * The Gospel According to Jesus, Harper Perennial, 1993, ISBN 0-06-092321-0

Translations and adaptations

 * Catullus: Selected Poems, Yale University Press, April 2024, ISBN 978-0300275292
 * Beowulf, Yale University Press, October, 2017, ISBN 978-0-3002-2888-5
 * The Odyssey, Atria Books (Simon & Schuster), 2013, ISBN 978-1-4516-7417-0
 * The Iliad, Free Press, 2011, ISBN 978-1-4391-6337-5
 * The Second Book of the Tao, Penguin Press, 2009, ISBN 1-59420-203-6
 * Gilgamesh: A New English Version, Free Press, 2004, ISBN 0-7432-6169-0
 * Bhagavad Gita: A New Translation, Harmony Books, 2002, ISBN 0-609-81034-0
 * Real Power: Business Lessons from the Tao Te Ching (with James A. Autry), Riverhead Books, 1998, ISBN 1-57322-089-2
 * Full Woman, Fleshly Apple, Hot Moon: Selected Poems of Pablo Neruda, HarperCollins, 1997, ISBN 0-06-018285-7
 * Genesis: A New Translation of the Classic Biblical Stories, Harper Collins, 1996, ISBN 0-06-092856-5
 * Ahead of All Parting: The Selected Poetry and Prose of Rainer Maria Rilke, Modern Library, 1995, 0-67-960161-9
 * A Book of Psalms: Selected and Adapted from the Hebrew, Harper Perennial, 1994, ISBN 0-06-092470-5
 * The Selected Poetry of Dan Pagis, University of California Press, 1996, ISBN 0-520-20539-1
 * Tao Te Ching, HarperCollins, 1988, hardcover ISBN 0-06-016001-2, paperback ISBN 0-06-016001-2, ISBN paperback P.S. edition 0-06-114266-2, pocket edition ISBN 0-06-081245-1, illustrated edition ISBN 0-7112-1278-3
 * The Book of Job, Harper Perennial, 1992, ISBN 0-06-096959-8
 * The Selected Poetry of Yehuda Amichai (with Chana Bloch), University of California Press, 1996, ISBN 0-520-20538-3
 * The Sonnets to Orpheus by Rainer Maria Rilke, Simon & Schuster, 1985, ISBN 0-671-55708-4
 * The Lay of the Love and Death of Cornet Christoph Rilke by Rainer Maria Rilke, Graywolf Press, 1985, ISBN 0-910457-02-6
 * Letters to a Young Poet by Rainer Maria Rilke, Random House, 1984, ISBN 0-394-74104-8
 * The Notebooks of Malte Laurids Brigge by Rainer Maria Rilke, Random House, 1983, ISBN 0-679-73245-4
 * The Selected Poetry of Rainer Maria Rilke, Random House 1982, ISBN 0-394-52434-9, Vintage, 1989, ISBN 0-679-72201-7
 * "Tao Te King", Lao Tseu, Synchronique Editions, 2008
 * "Tao Te King, Un Voyage Illustré", Lao Tseu, Synchronique Editions, 2008
 * "Tao Te King", édition Poche, Lao Tseu, Synchronique Editions, 2012
 * "Gilgamesh, la quête de l'immortalité", traducteur français Aurélien Clause, Synchronique Editions, 2013

As editor

 * Question Your Thinking, Change the World: Quotations from Byron Katie, Hay House, 2007, ISBN 1-4019-1730-5
 * The Essence of Wisdom: Words from the Masters to Illuminate the Spiritual Path, Broadway Books, 1998, ISBN 0-7679-0305-6
 * Bestiary: An Anthology of Poems about Animals, Frog, Ltd., 1996, ISBN 1-883319-48-X
 * Into the Garden: A Wedding Anthology (with Robert Hass), HarperCollins, 1993, ISBN 0-06-016919-2
 * The Enlightened Mind: An Anthology of Sacred Prose, 1991, ISBN 0-06-092320-2
 * The Enlightened Heart: An Anthology of Sacred Poetry, HarperCollins, 1989, ISBN 0-06-092053-X
 * Dropping Ashes on the Buddha: The Teaching of Zen Master Seung Sahn, Grove Press, 1976, ISBN 0-8021-3052-6

Children's books

 * The Ugly Duckling, by Hans Christian Andersen (illustrated by Steve Johnson and Lou Fancher), Candlewick Press, 2007, ISBN 978-0-7636-2159-9
 * Iron Hans: A Grimms’ Fairy Tale (illustrated by Matt Tavares), Candlewick Press, 2007, ISBN 0-7636-2160-9
 * Genies, Meanies, and Magic Rings: Three Tales from the Arabian Nights (illustrated by Tom Pohrt), Walker & Co., 2007, ISBN 0-8027-9639-7
 * The Tinderbox, by Hans Christian Andersen (illustrated by Bagram Ibatoulline), Candlewick Press, 2007, ISBN 0-7636-2078-5
 * The Wishing Bone and Other Poems (illustrated by Tom Pohrt), Candlewick Press, 2003, ISBN 0-7636-1118-2
 * The Nightingale, by Hans Christian Andersen (illustrated by Bagram Ibatoulline), Candlewick Press, 2002, ISBN 0-7636-1521-8
 * Jesus: What He Really Said and Did, Harpertempest 2002, ISBN 0-06-449009-2
 * The Creation (illustrated by Ori Sherman), Dial Books, 1990, ISBN 0-8037-0618-9

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Screen Gems Network

The Screen Gems Network (SGN) was an American afternoon television program which ran in syndication from September 20, 1999, to September 9, 2002, launched by Columbia TriStar Television Distribution and produced by Evolution Media. The concept for the program was announced on January 11, 1999 and it began airing on September 20, 1999; for the block's first season, only half-hour sitcoms were part of the block, with the second season expanding to include hour-long drama shows. (While not part of the Screen Gems Network itself, CTTD and Evolution also produced 130 half-hour compilations of shorts featuring The Three Stooges in a similar manner to that of the Screen Gems Network.)

SGN was the first broadcast-based service airing classic shows from the Columbia Pictures Television vault, airing shows with a resource base of 58,000 episodes of 350 television series from the 1950s to 1980s, included were shows created by Columbia Pictures Television, Tandem Productions, and ELP Communications. The announcer of the program was Billy West, who was tapped by CTTD to be the announcer for the program on August 11, 1999.

Programs were creatively grouped for theme weeks such as "Love is in the Air", "Pilots", "Best Music Videos" and "Before They Were Stars". Holiday based theme weeks include promotions for Halloween, Christmas, Mother's Day and Father's Day, among others.

The block was intended to be carried by stations in daytime slots, primarily afternoon and early evenings; for instance, WNYW in New York ran the block at 2 p.m., while WUAB in Cleveland aired it at 11 a.m. The block covered 62% of the country by March 1999; this number had risen to 80% of the stations carrying it by January 2000. The block was still being advertised by CTTD as late as May 2001.

Screen Gems

 * Father Knows Best (1954–1960)
 * The Donna Reed Show (1958–1966)
 * Hazel (1961–1966)
 * Bewitched (1964–1972)
 * I Dream of Jeannie (1965–1970)
 * Gidget (1965–1966)
 * The Monkees (1966–1968)
 * The Flying Nun (1967–1970)
 * Here Come the Brides (1968–1970)
 * The Partridge Family (1970–1974)
 * The Paul Lynde Show (1972–1973)
 * The Farmer's Daughter (1963–1966)
 * HAWK (1966)
 * Batfink (1966–1967)
 * Iron Horse (1966–1968)

Columbia Pictures Television

 * Starsky & Hutch (1975–1979)
 * Charlie's Angels (1976–1981)
 * What's Happening!! (1976–1979)
 * Fantasy Island (1977–1984)
 * Benson (1979–1986)
 * What's Happening Now!! (1985–1988)

Tandem Productions

 * All in the Family (1971–1979)
 * Maude (1972–1978)
 * Sanford and Son (1972–1977)
 * Good Times (1974–1979)
 * Diff'rent Strokes (1978–1986)
 * Sanford (1980–1981)

ELP Communications

 * The Jeffersons (1975–1985)
 * One Day at a Time (1975–1984)
 * The Facts of Life (1979–1988)
 * Silver Spoons (1982–1987)

Paired series

 * Bewitched & ''I Dream of Jeannie
 * The Partridge Family & The Monkees
 * The Jeffersons & Benson

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User:PedanticallySpeaking/Images

These are images I've uploaded to Wikipedia:

Ohio Second Congressional District Election, 2005
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Dawson's Creek
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Bruce Johnson
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Others
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Muscat Stadium

Muscat Stadium (マスカットスタジアム) is a baseball stadium located in Kurashiki Sports Park, Kurashiki, Okayama Prefecture, Japan. It has a capacity of 30,670. It is an all-seater.

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Isaac Taylor (priest)

Isaac Taylor (2 May 1829 – 18 October 1901), son of Isaac Taylor, was a philologist, toponymist, and Anglican canon of York (from 1885).

Life and family
Taylor was ordained a priest, and served as rector of Settrington. He was Canon of York Minster from 1885 until his death.

His daughter Elizabeth Eleanor Taylor married in January 1903 Ernest Davies, son of the Rev. Robert Davies, Rector of the Old Church, Chelsea.

Writing and ideas
Though he wrote several inflammatory theological pamphlets, such as The Liturgy and the Dissenters (1860) and Leaves from an Egyptian Notebook (1888), he is chiefly remembered today for his archaeological and philological studies, which include Words and Places (1864), Etruscan Researches (1874), The Alphabet (1883),  and Greeks and Goths (1879), in which he argued that the runes were derived from a variety of the Hellenic alphabet used in the Greek colonies on the Black Sea about the 6th century B.C.  "It would seem that the Goths, who then occupied the region between the southern coast of the Baltic and the upper waters of the Dnieper," Taylor argued in a subsequent paper, "must have obtained a knowledge of the art of writing from the merchants of Olbia and other Greek colonies on the Euxine, who, according to Herodotus, voyaged forty days' journey to the North by the great trade route of the Dnieper."

Taylor's ideas concerning religion raised many eyebrows amongst his contemporaries. In 1887, he argued that Islam had been more successful than Christianity in "civilizing" Africa and ridding the "Dark Continent" of cannibalism, devil worship, human sacrifice, witchcraft, infanticide, and bad hygiene. Cheers followed not Taylor's lecture—made to a British audience primarily of Anglican missionary supporters—but the remarks made by the speakers who followed him and denounced his theories. In the same address, delivered to the Wolverhampton Church Congress in 1887, Taylor argued that "Islam, above all, is the most powerful total abstinence society in the world; whereas the extension of European trade means the extension of drunkenness and vice, and the degradation of the people." Ultimately, Taylor's comments were made based upon the racist assumptions of Islamicist controversialists, including the famous traveller and writer Richard Burton that the lower races were better adapted to respond to the message of Islam than that of Christianity.

In 1890, Taylor published Origin of the Aryans, in which he proposed the "round-head theory," in which he argued that European Russia was the homeland of all of the Indo-European peoples, in opposition to the assertion of Max Müller, who had argued for Central Asia. Taylor believed that the Celts (tall stature, round heads), a branch of the ancient Finns, were the only true Aryans who had "Aryanized" the Iberians (short stature, long heads), the Scandinavians (tall stature, long heads), and the Ligurians (short stature, round heads).

In regards to the origin of the Basques, Taylor believed that they were direct descendants of the Etruscans. Taylor’s theories on the Etruscans, though now obsolete, caused great interest at the time that they were presented. He believed that the Etruscan language belonged to the Altaic language group, and that Etruscan mythology was fundamental to that presented in the Kalevala, the great Finnish epic.

In his The Origin of the Aryans (1892), concerning Lithuanians, Taylor wrote that: "'Thus it would seem that the Lithuanians have the best claim to represent the primitive Aryan race, as their language exhibits fewer of those phonetic changes, and of those grammatical losses which are consequent on the acquirement of a foreign speech.'"In his Names and Their Histories (1898), Taylor presented an impressive survey of local, foreign, and national names. Though many of his toponymic theories have been discounted, he laid the groundwork for future research in this then-new discipline.

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User talk:Barachel001

Welcome to Wikipedia! Thanks for your contributions to the coolest online encyclopedia I know of =). I sure hope you stick around; we're always in need of more people to create new articles and improve the ones we already have.  You'll probably find it easiest to start with a tutorial of how the wikipedia works, and you can test stuff for yourself in the sandbox.  When you're contributing, you'll probably find the manual of style to be helpful, and you'll also want to remember a couple important guidelines.  First, write from a neutral point of view, second, be bold in editing pages, and third, use wikiquette.  Those are probably the most important ones, and you can take a look at some others at the policies and guidelines page. You might also be interested in how to write a great article and possibly adding some images to your articles.

Be sure to get involved in the community – you can contact me at my talk page if you have any questions, and you can check out the village pump, where lots of wikipedians hang out and discuss things. If you're looking for something to do, check out the community portal. And whenever you ask a question or post something on a talk page, be sure to sign your name by typing ~~~~.

Again, welcome! It's great to have you. Happy editing! --Spangineer (háblame)  19:01, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)

Removal of category from your userpage
Hi. In enacting consensus from User categories for discussion, I have removed the category Category:Wikipedians interested in books from your userpage. It was determined in that deletion debate that this category should be depopulated of individuals, but kept as a parent category. If you wish to display a category reflecting your interest in books, please consider one of the specific sub-categories under its umbrella. Thanks, and please excuse the necessary editing of your user page! Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:48, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

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User talk:Km130

Welcome to Wikipedia! Thanks for your contributions to the coolest online encyclopedia I know of =). I sure hope you stick around; we're always in need of more people to create new articles and improve the ones we already have.  You'll probably find it easiest to start with a tutorial of how the wikipedia works, and you can test stuff for yourself in the sandbox.  When you're contributing, you'll probably find the manual of style to be helpful, and you'll also want to remember a couple important guidelines.  First, write from a neutral point of view, second, be bold in editing pages, and third, use wikiquette.  Those are probably the most important ones, and you can take a look at some others at the policies and guidelines page. You might also be interested in how to write a great article and possibly adding some images to your articles.

Be sure to get involved in the community – you can contact me at my talk page if you have any questions, and you can check out the village pump, where lots of wikipedians hang out and discuss things. If you're looking for something to do, check out the community portal. And whenever you ask a question or post something on a talk page, be sure to sign your name by typing ~~~~.

Again, welcome! It's great to have you. Happy editing! --Spangineer (háblame)  19:01, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)

Advertising
This User page appears to be an advertising page - and should be considered for vfd A curate's egg 19:43, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I concur jglc | t | c 20:26, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I concur. Josh Parris ✉ 02:22, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * This User page has now been deleted in accordance with the consensus reached at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/User:Km130. JeremyA 21:47, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

A friendly note about Wikipedia
Dear KM130,

I understand that you're new on Wikipedia, with only a handful of edits. Please note that Wikipedia is not a place for commercial advertisements for products or companies (specifically, Wikipedia is not a soapbox). You're welcome to continue contributing to established articles, or to create articles on well-established topics, institutions, persons, or notable products, but please do not continue using copyrighted images and promoting a company. Further spamming will result in actions taken against your postings.

Thanks :)

jglc | t | c 16:07, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

What a load of...
Some people have been involving a lots of time and effort to come tho this page to, edit, alter and distrub content. We can only assume those people have nothing better to do. This page has been accused of promoting or/and advertising. But if the same people had taken the time to read/search they might (just) have found out what Km130 is all about. We can only come to the conclusion that it is not much of our interest to pursue posting informations on this wiki if the majority of reader reflect the ones that have been visiting this last few days. What a shame. For those who have posted compaints, we have visited your pages. Please tell me there is actually something that could be of any interest to anyone, because we have struggled. What a load of...
 * No. Your behaviour has indicated that there is nothing you have to say that is of even marginal interest for wikipedia. jglc | t | c 16:22, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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NK Vrapče

NK Vrapče is a Croatian football club founded in 1938, in Zagreb's neighbourhood Vrapče which is situated in west part of the city. Its characteristic colors are blue and yellow.

In seasons of 1992–1997, NK Vrapče played in Croatian Second League and that was the biggest success of this club. In June 2020 they appointed former Casino Salzburg player Damir Mužek as sports director.

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User:Jerseyshawn

Well, lets see.... there's so much I could share, but you'll just have to ask first!

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