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NASDAQ/NYSE templates
Thanks. Actually, I was originally going to make an NYSE template, but NASDAQ's site was just easier to deal with (no frames, etc.), and I'm lazy. :) I may try one for NYSE once the "ooh, I made this and look how neat it is!" feeling wears off. —tregoweth 17:58, Nov 25, 2004 (UTC)

Penn State move
I saw your note on User talk:Raul654. The best action in most cases of cut and paste page moves is to perform a history merge, which requires an admin (it involves deleting and undeleting the pages in a specific manner). I've performed such a history merge. -- Cyrius|✎ 19:25, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Cyrius beat me to it :)
 * Long story short, to fix a page move (let's say Aaa was copy/paste moved to Bbb), you delete Bbb, move Aaa to Bbb, and then restore the old edits to Bbb. Aaa becomes a redirect, and the page histories are merged upon undeletion. You have to be an admin to do this. →Raul654 04:21, Nov 26, 2004 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome
Hi Spangineer, I just came across your biography of George Müller, a man I had never come across before. You've done a very good job there, and I hope you will enjoy contributing to Wikipedia also in the future. All the best,  09:58, Dec 11, 2004 (UTC)

I Want To Hold Your Hand
I've tried to address your objections on FAC. Can you look over the article again please? Thanks. Johnleemk | Talk 14:10, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Collaboration of the week
Congratulations, the candidate you voted for, Underground Railroad, is this week's Collaboration of the Week. Please help edit the article to bring it up to feature standard.

thanks for ...
...support on "Christmas". I can't recall if it was me or someone earlier who moved the "Theories on ..." section to the end. I liked it at the end because it was pretty far out stuff, almost belonging in a footnote.Sfahey 20:12, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

How did you make talk link?
I looked at your writing for COTW and noticed the infinite sign for your talk page. Is there a shortcut to make that besides writting out the whole thing? Respond in my talk page :)
 * posted by User:Chris Ducat --Spangineer ∞ 01:25, Jan 7, 2005 (UTC)

How about this one...
Do you know how to count how many contributions you've made to wikipedia? I was curious about this when I saw a particular user's page (User:Premeditated Chaos) that displayed how many contribution's she had made. Its not so hard with 50 or so, but 1000?! No luck contacting her or finding it on wikipedia: there's so many things to learn!

 * posted by User:Chris Ducat --Spangineer ∞ 04:09, Jan 7, 2005 (UTC)

EDIT: Thanks for the info, that makes sense to me. bernlin2000 ∞ 20:04, Jan 7, 2005 (UTC)

Cerro de la Silla
Oooh, wow, that is really a major improvement I think. I did enjoy the main picture a lot though too, so I've given both photos my support but I think it looks really great with the cropping you've done to the modified version. In any case, great work getting us a photo for that because that is really a nice job you've done. Cheers, -SocratesJedi | Talk 22:44, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Also Cerro de la Silla
I agree with SocratesJedi, the new version is a major improvement. Good work! Worldtraveller 11:33, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

PS no probs about the wacky editing on my talk page, looked like the server problems might have been the cause - similar things have happened to me recently!

Pic of theDay
Hi Nathaniel,

Just to let you know that your Image:Cerro de la silla.ncs.2.jpg is up for Pic of the day on the 31st of Jan. You may like to check the image caption at Picture of the day/January 31, 2005 -- Solipsist 22:29, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Evolution
I can't speak for the beliefs of most scientists, but most people who have spoken or published on the idea are funded by these far-right "think tanks". More than just being funded by these groups, they are for the most part formally affiliated with them. With regards to: since it seems to suggest that those scientists were bribed or something by creationist wackos who wanted some credibility for their theory I would say be inclined to agree with that statement except for the fact that much of the general public believes what these people have to say. I would say not disclosing the intimate association between the "politico-religous" groups and the scientists who are proponents of the theories would fail to be POV. Maybe not all of these scientists have direct financial connections to these groups, but most do.

I don't have specific information immediately accessible, and I suspect that it would take me several days to put it together. I think that the statement is misleading without the qualifiers. I will look into backing up my statement (or backing down on it a little, if it is an overly broad generalisation). Nonetheless, I don't think the former statement should stand without the qualifier; it is too misleading. Guettarda 21:49, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Funding for science is generally based on success in science. Scientists receive funding from agencies (e.g., the NSF) based on productivity in science.  If you take money from interested parties, it hurts your credibility.  If scientists involved in drug research took money from the makers of a drug and then produced results showing that the drug was effective when no one else did then their credibility would be undermined.
 * Scientific funding is supposed to be content neutral. It isn't the same as political funding, not by a long stretch.  You produce results, they pass peer review, and you gain stature.  People whose science is credible get funded (although not all of them, by any means).  Much like scientists who take money from energy concerns and then claim that there is no such thing as global warming (a conclusion which is at variance with what almost all other scientists find) this sort of activity undermines your credibility.
 * Your statements: To me it seems cynical to suggest that good scientists rejected a strongly supported theory and made themselves the laughingstock of the scientific community because they wanted funding from a creationist think tank. and but it just seems unlikely that they would toss away scientific credibility to receive funding (that they could have gotten from another source without switching from evolution to creation), and not because they firmly believe in creationism
 * I am not arguing that they are discarding their own opinions for the money. Nothing of the sort.  Science isn't about opinions or beliefs, it's about testing hypotheses.  It's perfectly reasonable to advance the idea that there are organs that are "irreducibly complex" (as Michael Behe has done).  But that doesn't prove anything except that Behe lacked imagination (most of his examples have been shown to be flawed).  To conclude from these observations that "irreducible complexity" is a reality (and proof of design) is both logically flawed (since the world isn't just an either-or) and scientifically flawed (since the scientific cannot "prove" hypotheses).  What they are doing is trying to support a religious agenda (pushed by these "think tanks") through activities that have the appearance of science.  The big names are not evolutionary biologists in any case.  The simplest conclusion is that they simply latched onto these ideas out of narrow religious interpretations.
 * John Kerry and George Bush didn't claim to be mere students of political thought. They each had an agenda, and they received money from groups who shared their agenda.  No one would claim that they were making unbiased, unslanted statements.  No one claimed that they were scientists.  It isn't a fair comparison.

Proponents of ID do not claim (up front) to be reliant on God. Instead they say that life shows evidence of "design", and conclude that, if there is design there must be a designer. Now, givent he links between ID proponents and Christian organisations I would guess that most of them assume that this designer is God (though, of course, it could be any other supernatural force, be it the devil, aliens...) but many of them have kept away from openly saying so (e.g., Behe, if memory serves me).

Now, many creationists (and I suspect ID proponents) seem to purport a conspiracy theory of science - that the scientific community "knows" that there are all these flaws in evolution, but as secular humanists or atheists simply have a political agenda to push (the whole "evolution is a religion" meme). If you accept that, then the scientists who are proponents of ID are being "kept down". Unfortunately, almost all the examples of "design" have been shown to be tractable without invoking design. If they were doing good science and yet were pushed to the fringe because they were agaisnt the mainstream, I would have some sympathy for them. But they aren't publishing experiments, they aren't proposing testable hypotheses.

In the past (and present, and future) "voices in the wilderness", on the fringe of science, have made big changes. Big changes come not when existing theories collapse under their own weight of inconsistencies, but when someone looks at things differently. Of course, often these people were wrong, and yet by challenging the status quo, by pointing out the flaws, they were able to force the mainstream to examine their assumptions. If you are doing good science then you are doing good science. People can question your conclusions, but your results should be reproducible. Once people can reproduce your results then consensus will come your way eventually. If your hypotheses are untestable or your results irreproducible, then you have a problem. Guettarda 00:08, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Sydney Riot of 1879
Thank you for your comments on Peer Review. I'll have a look at them and amend the article in the next few days in the light of them. Kind regards, jguk 22:27, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Intervarsity article
Thanks for your note on the Intervarsity article. I base my note on a story I read in this book. In addition, they are known as one of the more conservative on-campus christian groups. I feel confident having given them this category but if you can find something to contradict it I'm open. Alison9 01:32, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Based on your research I think you have a good point. Go ahead and remove the category. Alison9 06:20, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Cerro de la Silla
Hi Spangineer,

I love your photo of Cerro de la Silla. I decided to push it to the Commons as Commons:Image:Cerro de la Silla.jpg. The main benefit of uploading to the Commons is that the image can now be used on other language editions of Wikipedia, and on the sister projects. For example, it might eventually find its way to es:Monterrey.

I notice you multi-license your contributions with Creative Commons licenses. Perhaps you could go to Commons:Image:Cerro de la Silla.jpg and add cc-by-sa-2.0 there? (I just want to be absolutely sure you intend this picture to be multilicensed.)

Thanks, dbenbenn | talk 03:21, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Stubs
Hi Spangineer - I note that you've added a new stub category. Can I suggest that if you intend to add any more you check out WikiProject Stub sorting/Criteria first? Quite a thorough debating process goes on before the creation of stub categories, to ensure that they fit in with current criteria. As it is, "Manufacturing stub" cuts across Corporation stub and Technology stub, and is likely not to fit into the hierarchy particularly well because of that. Grutness|hello? 02:44, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi again - you wrote: Sorry about that! I didn't realize that there was a big process for that. What should be done now? I think the category as I visualized it would best fit in the technology category, but I see how it could potentially be construed to be related to corporations. Could I suggest the new category for debate? Let me know what you think; sorry to create a mess!

Well, it's largely a courtesy rather than compulsory, but it does help if people know what's there and why. I think it probably needs debating. I suspect that it will still work, possibly changing the name from Manufacturing though (perhaps to something like "industrial process stubs"?)
 * Looking over that page you linked to, perhaps the category could be split further? Perhaps a stub category for metalworking, etc.?

The rule of thumb is you need to be sure of at least 50 stubs in a category before it's worthwhile (some stub sorters suggest even more than that). See how many can be found for the original category first - if there look like there are going to be a couple of hundred of them, then think about splitting it! Grutness|hello? 03:14, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Also, I have a question for you related to your post regarding not having more than one stub category per page - what if the category was added manually, not with the stub template? That way, it shows up on multiple categories, but doesn't make the page look messy.

It makes the work a bit harder for the stub sorters (if you're editing 200 stubs a day, you use cut and paste a lot), and it tends to annoy some article editors (I got into an email argument with one about something that was both an Italy geography stub and a France geography stub - only the France-geo-stub template was on the page and the editor in question was Italian... you can probably work out the tone of his comments! :) As time goes on and "complex stubs" like US-politician-stub, which combine two types of stub, become more common, the number oif multiply stubbed pages will probably go down anyway. Grutness|hello? 03:32, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, where to post? Grutness is slowing down for his easter break so perhaps here.
 * I've been doing a few edits related to the metalworking side of things during my easter break (I've been ramping up during my break) and I saw you cruise through the watch list, now I know why you stopped.
 * I've been slowly working through the metalworking articles and converting any I've found that had a generic stub to the more relevant . I've also been adding it to any I create, such as Fishtail-Center gauge. On all pages I've been working on I've placed,  and  as apropriate.
 * From my point of view the approach is fairly well targeted, as the plea for additions goes to the tool-stub followers, while the Metalworking, Manufacturing and Tooling category indexes all get populated accordingly. It seems the best of both worlds. I tend to agree that multiple stubs appear untidy, especially for extra small articles.
 * Following through I don't see anything (except for the first paragraph) that points directly to manufacturing or metalworking fields — those pages are too high up the tree. Instead, following  gets to the heart of the matter, they are all tools, the first step in the process of manufacturing.
 * Ah, and from my point of view a lathe is a tool. ;-) — talk | Graibeard 09:47, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Following on from talk at graibeard. — In short, I agree.

Industrial processes category looks good, although I'll add that I didn't entirely disgaree with your, just its scope. I had actually tagged Molding (process) with your, as not only was it appropriate but the that it had was far from it. (Technology is the top of the tree, manufacturing is down a bit, processess are in the middle and tools almost near the roots. At least, that's the way I see it. ;-) So Die (manufacturing), which is the application of the molding process, would fall at the tooling level, thus the. There will always be gray areas though (just look at Staff (stick) or Bathtub) but then, that's life I guess.

Let me know what the stub name is ? ? and when it's right to go, I'll then add it to any appropriate ones I find. I'll continue with the other Category allocations of course as they are the indexing mechanism and what the user sees. — talk | Graibeard 13:47, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hi again - there is now a new stub - for industry in general and industrial processes in particular. Manufacturing-stub remains as a soft redirect to it. The stubs end up in Category: Industry stubs. The wording on the Industrial processes category makes the difference between the processes and the tools quite clear, BTW - turning, welding, smelting, etc are processes - the things used to do those processes (lathes, cutters, crucibles) are tools. (I'll cc this info to Graibeard) Grutness|hello? 00:16, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hello, Help is needed
Hello, I'm currently working in some Peruvian Related Topics, but I find myself overwhelm with this article that I once tried to wikify and state a NPOV: Alberto Fujimori. Since I saw your name in a NPOV page and also that you are concern in Latin American Articles, I though that you could at least take a look and help me with it. Please take a look and write in my talk page if it is confusing, biased or it is the right way to state the article in that way for the former president. thanks ! Messhermit 00:44, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your advice. I really apreciate the opinion of someone who is not involve in the debate. As you already said, the debate in the talk page has not always been "civil" (Myself was under a RfC for a while). But at least my opinion (as far as I can say) is two points:
 * That the article is too long for being just a biography
 * Let's said that Economical and Human Rights debate must be mentionate (important stuff), but for a much more accurate debate they must get their own Article
 * It appears that there is an owner, that prevent any contribution that doesn't please its point of view.
 * If oyu have notice, several wikipedist did have a problem with some user that pratically nulify any contribution that didn't like it
 * Thanks for any advice that you could gave me. Unfortunately, the Alberto Fujimori article sometimes focus more on his mistakes rather than giving the former president a NPOV article. It would help a lot if you could point its weakness, so i can work in arrange them. Thanks and feel free to respond to in my talk page. Messhermit 15:12, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

BTW, did you mention Bolivar? The article needs a better picture and I added some info about him. please look and gime your opinion. thanks ! Messhermit 15:12, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks a lot for your advices on the talk page! I'm sure that this would lead to a much more accurate info about the former president. As you said, the man has negative things and good this, and only history will judge him in a nearby future. Anyways, if you need any help on Latin American Topics, Please let me known it on my talk page. I would galdly contribute. once again, Thanks ! Messhermit 17:49, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Featured picture candidates/First Photograph
I just got a high-res version, and the image is public domain. Please support the high-res version. -- brian0918 ™  17:03, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Diagram drawing
I'm good at finding, cleaning up, and fixing photos, but not very good at drawing. You might try talking to User:SPUI who created Image:Chicago top down view.png. (I'm not sure if this is what you meant by a diagram, but he can probably suggest better software to use). -- brian0918 ™  03:10, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

Suggestions given by SPUI and avar are: Inkscape, and Macromedia Freehand. -- brian0918 ™  03:18, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

Sand Casting
Hey, thanks for finding those pictures of castings flasks and core boxes. It's a very nice addition to the Sand Casting article.
 * Posted by User:17.203.20.170 --Spangineer ∞ 12:04, May 5, 2005 (UTC)

Actually, it wasn't me, but I agree with you, those pictures are pretty nice. --Spangineer ∞ 20:23, May 5, 2005 (UTC)

FAC
Nice work on welding. I now support its FAC. --mav 01:04, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

History, Welding processes, Geometry, Quality, Unusual conditions, Safety issues, Costs and Trends (one section) does seem to be a more logical order and more in accordance with news style. But the current order is good as well. Thanks for your support on my FAC. :) --mav 01:36, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
 * What's this drawing you're looking for? I do CAD and might be able to help. Snapshots of CAD work can be exported as a simple JPEG or what not.  Also I have photos of finished weld joints to add to that fantastic welding article.  TTLightningRod 16:31, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Signpost beats
Yes, I think you'd be welcome to help cover featured articles. Even if someone is already working on it (and our coverage there has been a little erratic), having more than one person on a beat is okay. Just make sure that you link to any drafts you have on the Newsroom page, so anyone else working that beat knows where to help out. --Michael Snow 18:25, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Directory
Thank you for your enthusiasm to help. I am a student in high school, so I really don't have much time to do major overhauls. If you take a look at the german directory, you don't even need to be able to read German to realize how much better their directory is than ours. They have portals and such down many more levels. The portals in ours only go to the categorical level, such as chemistry, and beyond that, it is merely a category page. The german pages are much more helpful. In addition, you can use babel fish from altavista to help with the translation. Thanks again for your enthusiasm, and maybe we can get to a project level. clarkefreak 20:02, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Sounds like a good start. I added the categories on the mainpage that are not already portals to the list of requested portals on Wikiportal. We need to find more people who can contribute plenty of time to this project. Let's get this show on the road! clarkefreak 15:58, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

By the way, are you an admin? If not, it would probably help to get one involved to help us in this process. clarkefreak 16:05, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

This is off topic, but how do you do the infinity sign talk link? clarkefreak 22:26, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Caulfield FAC
You refered to poor wording and short paragraphs. I've responded to your critique, and would also be happy for you to have a go at rewording the problem areas. Thanks. Harro5 22:21, May 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Hi! You previously voted to object this FAC nomination, but the article has been significantly upgraded and improved since then. I would urge you to have a second look before leaving your final vote. Thanks. Harro5 08:20, May 25, 2005 (UTC)

FPC promotions
Hey Spangineer,

Thanks for adding an extra pair of hands in closing FPC nominations. It can be a bit confusing the first couple of times you promote an FP image, but don't worry about making mistakes, I can check over the promotions.

I thought there was an guideline about avoiding closing one's own nominations (to avoid concerns about bias), but now that I look for it I can't find that instruction. -- Solipsist 19:29, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Signpost
Hello, congrats on that article. My life hasn't allowed for signpost article writing lately and I was wondering if you would like to take over and write the new features and admins section for the next few weeks. Mgm|(talk) 08:44, May 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks! You might want to contact Michael Snow about it, so he knows who to talk to about these for the next few weeks. Blankfaze has filled in for me while I was away, maybe he wants to help you too. Mgm|(talk) 13:37, May 30, 2005 (UTC)

Cantos list
I see no great value in giving the same canto number twice in the one entry and am concerned that references must be given in numerical order so as to be of most use to someone reading the poem. Out of here now, back tomorrow. Filiocht | Blarneyman 15:28, May 31, 2005 (UTC)

Welding
Hello I fixed the oxy-acetylene link to point to the torch used. The gases are not mixed until they reach the nozzle - the result could be a disaster (flame propagating upstream).

I put a comment someplace about the danger of eye damage by UV when bystanders look at arc welding - maybe if you agree you will fix that up? Actual welders have safety masks (sometimes defeated by flaring that is too strong for even the mask lens, I believe) but bystanders such as people on a sidewalk or motoring by electric welding work could have retinal damage, I believe. Pdn 17:51, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Somehow I managed to put my reply to you latest comments on my own talk page, q.v. please. (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Pdn) Sorry Pdn 18:39, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

List of Popes
I am now papally satisfied. Thank you. --Theo (Talk) 18:01, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Not a problem - thanks for the help. Fortunately I had a few mins this evening! The monarchs are not going to be so lucky. -- ALoan (Talk)

Lists of lists and lists of wikipedia articles

 * I'm not sure what I think about lists like List of religious topics and List of lists of mathematical topics. They're really impossible to reference, since instead of being comprehensive, they are a list of topics that wikipedia covers.  No external sources appear to have been used to verify that everything is there that should be.  As such, anyone can add a semi-important religious figure to the List of religious topics and get away with it, I would think.  Where does one draw the line?  I don't think these types of lists can possibly be comprehensive, unless someone uses real references to generate the listing.  If it's based on something more than "all the topics that wikipedians can currently think of", it might be ok.  So I guess my opinion is that if a list doesn't have references, it shouldn't be featured.  Other opinions? --Spangineer ∞ 11:20, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)

This objection is absurd. How could a reference guarantee that all subjects are there?? It is impossible for all topics to be covered in any encyclopedia. And if there is some reason why a semi-important religious figure should not be listed, the same thing happens as when material that should not be there is put in any Wikipedia article. Why is Wikipedia less able to be "comprehensive" than any external source would be? Hundreds of mathematicians work on Wikipedia. Obviously they cannot make the list complete. A far smaller number of mathematicians work on the Encyclopedia Brittanica, which has a far less complete set of mathematical topics. And why would external references be any more important here than in any article, making sure everything is there that should be? And by the way, why shouldn't a semi-important religious figure be listed? Michael Hardy 00:18, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

New admins on signpost article
When I was regularly updating Goings-on with newly created administrators, I created a template the simplify the task of linking to both the user and their RfA, Template:Goa. The username and number of their request were the only two inputs (when a user requests adminship a second or third time, the common place to put it is at 2, etc.). Last week's list would then show up like this:

"Following votes on Request for adminship, five users were made admins in the past two weeks—Clarkk (nom), Arcadian (nom), Wiglaf (nom), Evil Monkey (nom), and Oven Fresh (nom)."

You are welcome to change the format of the template, or disregard the concept altogether. —Ben Brockert (42) UE News  00:33, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

Actual Substances
Hi You wrote: "" What if we simply said "acetylene gas" – that would eliminate the gas mixture thing, and since it should be generally known that hydrocarbons combust in air, we don't need to include oxygen. I'd prefer not to have it say "oxyacetylene torch" because for one thing, the torch isn't made out of oxyacetylene, things like "electric arc" and "ultrasonic" refer to the actual physical/chemical/whatever things that are providing the energy, not the equipment that directs the energy. So to be consistent, I think it's best to refer to the actual substance, not the tool used ""

I think your suggestion is not so good and I like the way I fixed the page, actually, and with all due respect. Points: (I) Wikipedia already has an entry for oxyacetylene torch and I do not think anybody could get confused on that. (II) a microwave oven is not made out of microwaves, a freshwater fish is not made out of freshwater, a loan shark is not made out of loans, etc. The term "oxyacetylene torch" is as American as "water faucet" (which is not made from water). (III) To leave out the "oxy" could be confusing, as the acetylene will not burn very clean and will probably not weld anything if ignited in air. In the latter case, not only would the dilution of the oxygen with nitrogen, CO2, and so on weaken the combustion efficiency, but the flame would only burn at the outside of the stream of acetylene. The intimate mixing of the two gases is essential. (IV) not to be picayune, I would not say an "electric arc" is made out of a substance called "electric" either. Even if it were, it seems reasonable to me to combine similar things without precisely parallel structure of word or phrase. Thus we could write of motor scooters and bicycles in one article about light weight transportation, without worrying about the use of the noun "motor" as an adjective. Hope we can leave this now. Peter Pdn 03:45, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I have seen "torch welding" with LPG and you can also use natural gas. Looks like you know what to do here, so I leave it to you. Pdn 05:37, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Signpost
I like to give credit where due. Filiocht | Blarneyman 14:08, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)

Portalspace
Thank you for your comment on my talk page. So far no developer has created a formal portalspace. If you know of one willing to do that, please persuade them! jguk 16:35, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

US-geo-stubs
Hi Spangineer - I've started putting the list in here. I'll add the south and west when I get time (probably after the down-time's over). Grutness...  wha?  00:04, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that link. How exactly did you get that listing?  Not by manually checking each link I hope...

I'm afraid so... just call me obsessive. Actually a lot of them were obvious (especially those with state names). The annoying ones were the counterintuitive ones like Dakota Hogback (Colorado, IIRC), and Northwest Region (Pennsylvania). Learnt quite a bit about US geography I didn't know doing it, though, so it wasn't a wasted effort (I could've sworn Okeefenokee was in Florida!) Grutness...  wha?  01:22, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Good work on the northeast! And no, I certainly hadn't considered double-stubbing structures. Grutness...  wha?  06:37, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

FLC
I'm not sure what comments you're referring to :), but in any case, I can say that I'm still quite unconvinced that all lists are "inherently featurable". To me, the beauty of a list is that it imparts information and serves as a navigation tool at the same time, simply by virtue of its organizational pattern, and usually despite a lack of text. That's what makes them featurable, the creative and useful content of an organized list that can make it informative. These other list we've been seeing, like the religious topics, which are justs lists of links to WP content, though... To me, these seem unfeaturable because they are only a navigation tool, meanwhile, they convey no knowledge in themselves. They are inherently devoid of references and images, even a purposeful lead. So, while they may have good reasons for being a list and not a category, they are really only glorified categories in the form of lists because of the advantages of the article namespace. This does not "exemplify Wikipedia's very best work" in my opinion. Wow, ramblemania! Hope this answers your question. --Dmcdevit 00:53, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm still not sure where I said that, could you point me to the discussion? In any case: "By saying that all objections must be actionable, you are saying that all lists are inherently featurable," that's where we differ, your premise. I'm pretty sure that it makes sense in most cases I can think of for objections to be actionable. But that doesn't make all lists inherently featurable, because an inactionable objection is inevitable for an invalid nomination. If I nominated a policy page, or a template, or a picture at FAC, it would be objected to, and I wouldn't be able to fix it. In a less extreme example, if someone nominate a list of lists, with no lead, references, images, or really, content even, it would be perfectly reasonable for me to make the (inactionable, I admit) objection, something like "Object, as this 'list' has no creative/useful content or organization, and therefore is rather more like a category than a list." Also, I actually think TUF-KAT's list could be comprehensive, because of its defined scope, and the possiblity to cover it with the list, but with that many red links, I might be forced to reluctantly object. It is a beautiful and well-organized list, though. --Dmcdevit 01:32, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, not really. I gave an extreme example with nominating a template on FAC, but even so, FAC doesn't cover all kinds of articles and FPC doesn't cover all kinds of pictures. Try nominating a logo, even an elegant one like, say, Pepsi, or a flag, even a well-designed one, and the FPC-ers will all object. And on the FAC there are some kinds of articlles that just wouldn't make it. The idea that there can be a "perfect stub" is, I think, really sort of a myth, even though its on style manual pages and the FAC criteria say basically length doesn't matter, only comprehensiveness. But if someone were to nominate a stub or a short article, they wouldn't have a chance. Or timelines and lists for that matter. My point is, just because its featured "lists" doesn't mean we have to make all lists eligible. --Dmcdevit 19:23, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I guess I'm not good at coming up with examples but the way FAC operates it seems impossible that they would tak anything besides its rigid many-screens-long prose. But real WP articles tend to be more varied than that. That's why FLC was created in the first place, because FAC wouldn't touch lists. So there's something that FAC invalidates just on the basis of the type of article it is. Remember what happened when that last one was nominated? But even disregarding the other "featured X" projects, it makes sense. Why couldn't we make our own rules even if they did disagree, (not that they really do). I mean, it's good to look to them for precedence, but improvement is better. --Dmcdevit 20:19, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * These are basically just my (or our?) personal feelings. I didn't think there was a point in policy-izing them because 1) The nominations I would have objected to based on them seem to have been universally rejected, so I have no need to fear, and 2) I doubt I would get wide support in seemingly "banning" some kinds of lists from participation. I just have a feeling that even if people aren't going to feel like putting it into policy, they will object when these come up for just the reasons I mentioned. But of course, if anyone does bring the topic up, I'd certainly support them; do you think it is needed? --Dmcdevit 00:01, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Signpost
Hi! I've included some text in your article on Signpost. It is regarding the new rules for removal candidates. Please make sure it stays as it is important. Regards, = Nichalp  ( Talk )= 07:48, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for pointing me to the newsroom. I thought the village pump (news) was the source for news. You can add it next week, no probs here. = Nichalp  ( Talk )= 11:20, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

Updates to articles in the current issue aren't fundamentally prohibited, but you're right that most people probably read them once and don't come back. The choice of whether to add to a current article or save something for the next issue depends on the circumstances. If it's more information about a specific subject you might not be returning to next week, might as well add it in directly; if it's a new item entirely, holding off is probably better. By the way, I like the rewrite you did of this particular text before removing it, nicely done. --Michael Snow 16:10, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Would it make a difference if I told you that it was my proposal to ammend the rules for FARC? = Nichalp  ( Talk )= 18:55, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your support
Thank you for voting on my RFA. Have some pie! I was pleasantly surprised by the sheer number of supporters (including several people that usually disagree with my opinion). I shall do my best with the proverbial mop. Yours, Radiant_ >|< 08:03, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

User:Humanbot update 08 June 2005
Version two-two released today includes in that green box a nice count of how many articles are left. This more or less co-incides with the event of hitting only 1000 articles remaining. Also, I have re-arranged the User:Humanbot page to make it easier to get to the right stuff. Progress charts, wikicookies, wikilove and a more thorough spelling check is promised when this is completed. (and also when the exam pressure eases off a little on me) r3m0t talk 17:37, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC) Note: If you think this message was too trivial for a mailing, tell me and I'll stick to more important announcements on the list.

Total reorganization of the list of lists of mathematical topics
Since this list of lists has now been completely reorganized, could you express yourself at Featured_list_candidates as to whether or to what extent this addresses your concerns, and whether you would therefore change your vote. Michael Hardy 00:12, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The cantos list
Hi

Finally getting around to responding to you. On reflection, and as others voting on the list do not seem to share your concerns, I'd opt for leaving the organisation as it is, if that's OK with you? Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:31, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)
 * Re WP:FARC, nothing is ever that easy around here, is it? Filiocht | Blarneyman

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User talk:Boryslaw

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Czy Pan Balcer mowi po polsku.

Przepraszam pana ale trzeba pisac pravdziwa historie albo pravdziwo tlumaczyc to co jest jusz napisane i ustalone na podstawi faktow i archivnych dokumentow!!!!!!!!

Boryslaw do 1933 r. nie byl wioska!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A Byl mjastem!!!!!!!!!

Boryslaw nie byl Woloski nigdy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I prawdziwe destyljat naftowy otkryl Johan (Jan) Zeh 30. 03. 1853 r.!!!!!!!!! Patent od 02.12.1853 r.!!!!!!!!!!! To jest pravda ktora jusz trzeba pisac!!!! Czytajce pravdziwe artykuly profesorow polskich i swiatowych!!!!!!!!

Pierwsze wiercenia i wydobywanie ropy w Boryslawiu wykonal Robert Doms w 1861 r. ze Lwowa!!!!!!!!!!

I tak dalej i temu podobnie!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jusz pora na Prawde PRL i Komunizm mnie sie wydaje ze sie skonczyl!!!!! czy nie????

 * Witam na Wikipedii. Uwagi do mnie najlepiej umieszczać na User talk:Balcer.

 * Cofnąłem twoje zmiany (na Wikipedii wszyscy są raczej na ty) bo nigdzie nie znalazłem na internecie jakiejkolwiek wzmianki o osobie o nazwisku Johan Zeh związanej z Borysławiem. Jeżeli masz wiarygodne źródła że ta osoba odegrała ważną rolę, proszę, podaj je w artykule, albo na stronie dyskusyjnej Talk:Boryslaw.  Przyznam że nie jestem ekspertem co do historii Borysława, więc być może moje cofnięcie było zbyt pochopne.  Przepraszam jeśli cię uraziłem.  Balcer 00:35, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Zapewne chodzi o odwieczny spór o to czy za głównego promotora wiedzy o możliwościach ropy należy uznać właściciela patentu Jana Zeha, czy też Łukasiewicza, który nie tylko się wynalazkiem swojego współpracownika zajął, ale też go rozpropagował i zaczął wykorzystywać w praktyce. Więcej na ten temat (choć dość jednostronnie) można poczytać tu:, . Halibutt 02:59, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)

Do 1933 r. Boryslaw byl miastem bo mial magistrat!!!!!!! I otym wszyscy wiedzow!!!!!! W 1930 r. poprostu do Boryslawia bylo dodano jeszcze 4 miejscowosci i dla tego bylo wydoano w 1933r. formalnie nowe zaswiadczenia miastu!!!!! Prawidlowo czytajci wersja Wikipedii po Ukrainsku o Boryslawie!!!!!!

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Talk:Pandemonium

Rename (2005)
(Rename|Pandemonium) Anyone agree? Most of the disamb. page is spelled Pandemonium. -- Cuahl 23:36, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I'll retract that thanks to Wetman's last edit -- Cuahl 00:17, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Lack of articles
Many of the defintions don't link (red-link or otherwise) to an article on the subject listed. I propose to delete them. Josh Parris #: 01:19, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup
This page was marked for cleanup per MoS:DAB because it contained too many non-article entries. I checked each entry and removed the following entries because the linked-to articles don't (or just barely) mention them, making it useless to list them on this dab page: Removed for being redlinks and not giving enough (reliable) context to determine notability. If I am wrong here, I'd prefer people with knowledge about these topics to at least create stubs and only then add these entries back on the dab page: – sgeureka t•c 14:07, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Dark's Pandemonium Carnival, the sinister travelling carnival in the 1983 film Something Wicked This Way Comes
 * Pandemona, a GF you can summon in Final Fantasy VIII
 * Pandemonium, a level in Doom
 * Pandemonium Fortress, the final fortress between Heaven and Hell in the video game Diablo II
 * Pandemonium, Dong Zhuo's Level 11 Weapon on Dynasty Warriors 4: Xtreme Legends
 * Pandemonium, an old castle of the Metal Demons in Wild Arms
 * Pandemonium, a zone in Anarchy Online (the last zone of the expansion pack The Shadowlands)
 * Pandemonium (Discworld), a demon city in the Discworld novels by Terry Pratchett
 * Pandemonium, one of the most difficult songs in the dancing video game In The Groove
 * Pandemonium (book) (2006), by Andrew Nikiforuk
 * Pandemonium - polish dark/black metal band. The tens of thousands of copies "Devilri" (1992) sold made it one of the best selling demos in the world.
 * Pandemonium dutch hardcorepunk band 1981-1986 http://homepages.nyu.edu/~cch223/netherlands/pandemonium_main.html
 * Pandaemonium italian Power Metal band
 * Pandemonium (disease)
 * Frost's Pandemonium Carnival, a touring group of magicians, illusionists, and fire jugglers in the southwestern United States

Requested move (2007)
Pandæmonium → Pandæmonium (disambiguation) — Pandæmonium should be about the capital of Hell since it is the only usage with the Æ —Reginmund 08:22, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Survey

 * Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with  or  , then sign your comment with  . Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

 * Support - per reasons given Reginmund 08:22, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose That means we are depending on the distinction between æ and e, and in some cases between æ and ae to dismbiguate articles. This seems foolhardy. There is the additional problem that editions of Milton are inconsistent: Project Gutenberg varies from ae to e within one edition. The secondary literature appears to use Pandemonium more frequently. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 21:14, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose, per PMAnderson.--Aldux 14:37, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. --Stemonitis 06:01, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

 * To me, it seems pretty clear that the page should be moved, per Disambiguation, since "capital of Hell" is the well-known primary meaning. Alternative spellings should redirect to that page and that article should have a link to the (disambiguation) page at the top. --Echo R314 (talk) 09:07, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was Pandæmonium (this article) moved to Pandemonium. Pandæmonium_(Paradise_Lost) not moved. --Aervanath (talk) 11:21, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

The disambiguation page contains one entry for something spelled "Pandæmonium," one entry for something spelled "Pandaemonium," and the rest are all "Pandemonium." It therefore makes sense for the disambiguation page to be placed at Pandemonium, which currently redirects here.

I am further suggesting that Pandæmonium (Paradise Lost) be moved to Pandæmonium, with a hatnote at that article linking to the disambiguation page for other uses. While it's entirely conceivable for someone to mix up the two spellings, it seems unlikely that a user would go to the trouble of inserting the funny ae for a spelling that doesn't actually include it. Propaniac (talk) 15:40, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Just to be clear, what I am proposing in the end is that: Pandemonium would be the disambiguation page, Pandæmonium would be the Paradise Lost article, and there would be a hatnote link from Pandæmonium to the disambiguation page (and, of course, the disambiguation page would list Pandæmonium among its entries). It would also be possible, if people chose, for Pandemonium to be the disambiguation page and Pandæmonium to be a redirect to the disambiguation page. The latter does not make sense to me personally, because it is supposing that a user would be likely to navigate to "Pandæmonium" when looking for an article titled "Pandemonium," but others may disagree with my reasoning. Propaniac (talk) 21:19, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

 * Support. Seems to be a good simplification. 199.125.109.126 (talk) 16:31, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Around the time when Paradise Lost was written, in England learned men often wrote 'æ' for 'ae' in Latin and Greek words. This 'æ' may as well be treated as equivalent to 'ae'. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:37, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Partial oppose/support I think the dab page should be at Pandemonium (Support), but both Pandæmonium and Pandaemonium should redirect to it. I do not support (Oppose) the move of the Paradise Lost page. 76.66.196.229 (talk) 06:59, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Can you offer a reason why you oppose the move of the latter page? Propaniac (talk) 20:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It is an alternate spelling of "pandemonium" and therefore should be pointed to the dab page. 76.66.196.229 (talk) 06:37, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * dizzy. But I guess I support the change of the spelling with all current variations redirecting to a single article, the Paradise Lost Pandemonium, which will contain a hatnote linking back to this page, which will be under the new name :) (?) Mrathel (talk) 20:31, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose all moves. The original, historic, and etymologically correct spelling should really be used for the dab page; and for Milton, who knew enough to spell it that way. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 15:45, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Time for cleanup again
List has been crufted up again, containing at least 21 entries that are not "associated with the title Pandemonium". That's the criterion for this db page, folks: any item added to the page must be associated with a WP article titled "Pandemonium". If it does not meet that criterion, it doesn't belong here. This isn't a dumping ground for your favorite thing named Pandemonium that wasn't sufficiently noteworthy to have generated a WP article. It's a directory of similarly named actually existing articles, to help users decide which one they're trying to find. 207.155.212.66 (talk) 20:33, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Video game entry
In the Diablo game series by Blizzard-Activision, specifically Diablo 2 and Diablo 3 (not sure about Diablo 4), there is a Pandemonium Fortress that players can visit. It is described as the last bastion of Heaven before one descends into Hell to fight demons. Not sure if people on here were aware of that. 2601:640:CC81:6830:79B3:6149:3CEB:8887 (talk) 06:50, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

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Mingan Archipelago National Park Reserve

Mingan Archipelago National Park Reserve or Mingan Archipelago Heritage Site bathes in the waters of the Gulf of St. Lawrence, in the administrative region of Côte-Nord, in Minganie RCM, Havre-Saint -Pierre municipality, facing Anticosti Island.

Accessible by sea or by air, the reserve protects a thousand islands, islets of rocks, cays and limestone reefs in a mosaic of several ecosystems coexisting on small island surfaces.

The reserve is home to the largest concentration of erosion monoliths in Canada, important fossil sites, unique ecological environments, alpine arctic flora, including the Mingan thistle, seabirds with the largest concentrations of Arctic terns, Common terns and Common eiders of the St. Lawrence.

Geology
The area of the Mingan islands and part of the mainland to the north of them is underlain by Ordovician sedimentary rocks. The Mingan Islands sequence is composed of two formations — the Romaine below and the Mingan above.

The exposed parts of the Romaine formation consist of dolomite and a little shale. There may be a sandstone at the base. Beds are generally thick and more or less rough in appearance, and in some places they appear kneaded together. The thickness is placed at about 260 feet.

The Mingan formation is composed of conglomerate, sandstone, and shale. These clastic strata are overlain by limestones. These strata contain much fragmentary fossil material and locally are poorly cemented. The larger part of the formation consists of finegrained limestones of which some have semi-lithographic texture. Fossils are locally common and frequently abundant. The exposed thickness is estimated not to exceed 155 feet.

The Mingan Archipelago is a major historical heritage site in Quebec; It is also a mid-Nordic natural environment with some original bio-physical elements: Ordovician limestone, cuestas, morphogenesis associated with the sea, subarctic vegetation cover and varied bird fauna. The construction of Highway 138 in 1976 opened up this fragile and unprotected land. In 1979, the author of The Mingan Archipelago: A Mid-Nordic Space Between Exploitation and Conservation, proposed that this archipelago become a park for conservation and extensive recreation, which was done in 1984.

Flora
With the exception of the covered area just behind the village, the area of Havre Saint-Pierre is mainly covered by large spruce forests and a few laricinin farms. White spruce, Dwarf birch, Rough alder, Quaking aspen can also be seen.

Brothers Marie-Victorin and Rolland Germain F.E.C. explored the region from 1924 to 1928. Their work has raised awareness in the scientific community of the enormous value of the Mingan Archipelago. Since then, other scientists have added to the ecology and phytogeography knowledge of this sector.

The vegetation of the Mingan Islands belongs to the Chibougamau-Natashquan boreal forest region, which is dominated by Black spruce. The high latitude and low altitude, combined with the proximity of the cold currents of Labrador, explain the subarctic vegetation specific to the Minganie.

The entirely calcareous nature of the horizontal stratified rocks, which make up the Anticosti - Minganie, exerts a profound influence on the structure of the flora and on the choice of species.

Remarkable for its richness, the flora includes 350 vascular plants including the presence of two rare taxa: Cirsium foliosum var. Minganense and Cypripedium passerinum var. Minganense. Sixty species are new to the list of Minganie harvests compiled by Marie-Victorin and Rolland-Germain (1969). There were also 150 bryophytes and 152 lichens, 29 of which were additions to the Nouveau Catalogue des lichens, published by Lepage (1972). '

Fauna
The sea and the land are two worlds intimately related. Strictly speaking, the park's territory consists only of the Mingan islands and not the sea. But how to dissociate the islands from the surrounding blue immensity?

Nearly 200 species of bird can be observed in the field

The large number of habitats here has provided refuge to many different mammals There are three types of seal living around the Mingan Archipelago The waters of and beyond the Mingan archipelago are the hunting grounds of the cetaceans attracted by the huge shoals of plankton and fish that abound in the cold waters of the Gulf of St. Lawrence.
 * Warblers, Terns, Ospreys, Passerines, Razorbills, many waders
 * Haliaeetus leucocephalus. -Bald Eagle. -Pygargue à tête blanche
 * Somateria mollissima. -Common Eider. -Eider à duvet
 * Fratercula arctica. Macareux moine. -Atlantic Puffin
 * Bucephala islandica. -Barrow's Goldeneye. -Garrot d'Islande
 * Castor canadensis. -Castor du Canada -North American Beaver.
 * Lontra canadensis. – Loutre du Canada. -North American river otter
 * Ondatra zibethicus L. – Rat musqué. -Muskrat
 * Vulpes vulpes L. -Renard roux. -Red fox
 * Tamiasciurus hudsonicus. -Écureil roux - American red squirrel
 * Lepus americanus. – Snowhoe hare. Lièvre d’Amérique
 * Mustela erminea L. – Stoat. -Hermine
 * Certain species of bats and a number of small rodents
 * Occasionally, Black bears and Moose can be found on certain islands near the coast.
 * Halichoerus grypus. -Phoque gris. -Grey Seal
 * Phoca vitulina. Phoque commun. -Harbour Seal
 * Pagophilus groenlandicus. -Phoque du Groenland. -Harp Seal
 * Lagenorhynchus acutus. -Dauphin à nez blanc. -White-beaked dolphin
 * Phocoena phocoena. -Marsouin commun. -Harbor Porpoise
 * Balaenoptera acutorostrata. -Petit rorqual. -Minke whale
 * Megaptera novaeangliae. -Baleine à bosse. -Humpback whales
 * Balaenoptera physalus. - Rorqal commun. -Fin whale

Woodland animals live side by side with those whose habitat is the coast or the cold salty water of the Gulf of St. Lawrence.

St Lawrence River
The river that the Native Americans called "the way that walks" is feared, and rightly so. On the route of conquerors, explorers, fishermen, hunters, adventurers, and other navigators, it is by entering the waters of the river that the most difficult operation of the journey begins. Shallow channels, estuary reefs, shoals, diagonal currents, fog and narrow, winding channels, winter and ice are the challenges that must be overcome.

In North America, during the French regime (1534-1763), several shipwrecks marked the history of navigation on the St. Lawrence River.

A path of discovery, a route of transport and settlement, an axis of trade and development, a privileged navigable route, little known, perilous and difficult, sailors did not venture on the St. Lawrence at nightfall, neither before the beginning of May nor after the end of November.

The Mingan Archipelago
Human occupation of the Mingan Archipelago dates back at least 2000 years. The First Nations, were attracted to the marine resources of this part of the gulf and engaged in molluscs harvesting, salmon fishing and seal hunting, among other activities.

Since the 16th century, the Spaniards, Portuguese and Basques have exploited the marine wealth of the coasts, the gulf and the estuary, the Basques have fished for cod and hunted whales in the Mingan archipelago.

Excavations carried out in 1986 by the Parks Canada, Quebec Region, on Mingan Island Nue and Mingan Harbour Island revealed the remains of a stone oven used by the Basques to melt the blubber of marine mammals. Historical documentation and artifacts suggest that this kiln was built and used by Basques in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries.

Route 138, from Moisie River to Havre-Saint-Pierre
At the beginning of the 20th century, the first routes of what would become Route 138 (formerly Route 15) were laid in the vicinity of Sept-Îles. In 1961, a section was added from the Franquelin region to the tip of the Moisie River, some 20 kilometres east of Sept-Îles.

On the north shore of the Gulf of St. Lawrence, until 1976, there was no continuous route to go further east than the Moisie River. Only bits of paths here and there connect a few coastal villages to each other, Natashquan connects to Aguanish by a dirt road (1959).

Route 138, from Moisie River to Havre-Saint-Pierre, opened in the spring of 1976, from there access to the islands of the Mingan Archipelago by sea.

In 1984, to commemorate the 450th anniversary of Jacques Cartier's arrival in New France, the Commission de toponymie gave this name to the part of Route 138 located east of the Saguenay River, that is, the part that extends from Tadoussac to Havre-Saint-Pierre. '


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Ernest Harmon Air Force Base

Ernest Harmon Air Force Base is a former United States Air Force base located in Stephenville, Newfoundland and Labrador. The base was built by the United States Army Air Forces in 1941 under the Destroyers for Bases Agreement with the United Kingdom.

From its establishment in 1941 until March 31, 1949, the base was located in the Dominion of Newfoundland. On March 31, 1949, the Dominion of Newfoundland was admitted to Canadian Confederation and became the 10th province of Canada. The agreement enabling the base's existence, from 1941 until closure in 1966, enabled it to function as a de facto enclave of United States territory within, first the Dominion of Newfoundland and later Canada, making United States military personnel stationed at the base subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

Following its closure in 1966, the base property was relinquished by the Government of the United States to the Government of Canada, under the terms of the original deal. The Government of Canada subsequently transferred the base property to the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador, which established the Harmon Corporation to oversee the disposition and use of the base property and facilities.

The airfield is now operated as Stephenville International Airport while many of the base's support buildings and housing have been incorporated into the town of Stephenville.

Construction and operation
During 1940, Germany was threatening the majority of Europe, as well as North America, through its successful air, land and sea campaigns. The destructiveness of the Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine in the Battle of Britain and Battle of the Atlantic alarmed military planners in the United States who theorized that the Nazis could in future establish a beachhead on Newfoundland and the adjacent French islands of Saint Pierre and Miquelon and use it for launching air attacks and eventually land and sea attacks on the industrial heartland of North America.

In 1940, the United States entered into the Destroyers for Bases deal with the government of the United Kingdom, allowing the US military to establish facilities in British Overseas Territories in the Western Hemisphere. The primary focus for North American defence from Nazi aggression was Newfoundland, which the United States sought to arm as a geographic buffer much as it was doing with its Alaska territory to defend North America against Imperial Japan in the northwest.

The United States established an administrative army air force and coast defense base named Fort Pepperrell in St. John's, along with a deepwater naval base and naval aviation field at Argentia on the Avalon Peninsula. The northeast coast of Newfoundland and the strategically important Strait of Belle Isle were left exposed, therefore military planners sought to establish an army air force base on 8159 acre of land at the northeast end of Bay St. George near the coastal hamlet of Stephenville. The 76th Congress approved the 99-year lease and in April 1941, construction began on a deepwater port and adjacent air field.

During the war a battery of two 155 mm coast defense guns was at the base, due to its coastal location. It was called Battery T8503 and was operated by Coast Artillery Corps troops of the Harbor Defenses of Argentia and St. John's.

The air force base was originally referred to as Stephenville Air Base. On September 1, 1943, the Newfoundland Base Command transferred control of the Stephenville Air Base to the North Atlantic Wing, Air Transport Command. The base was actively used throughout the war and was one of the largest U.S. military airfields located outside of the continental United States; it was capable of landing the largest cargo aircraft in the world at that time and the base became a frequent stopping and refueling point for USAAF aircraft crossing the Atlantic. Stephenville Air Base was renamed "Ernest Harmon Air Force Base" on June 23, 1948, in honor of Captain Ernest Emery Harmon. Capt Harmon was a U.S. Army Air Corps pilot who was killed in an air crash in 1933. The deepwater port which supported the base was named Port Harmon at this time.

Ernest Harmon AFB was transferred to Northeast Air Command in October 1950. The 6605th Air Base Wing served as the host unit at the base. In April 1957, with the rising threat of nuclear war, the Strategic Air Command (SAC) assumed control of the base for use as a forward refuelling point. The 6605th Wing was superseded by the 4081st Strategic Wing. Ernest Harmon AFB became home to a fleet of KC-97 Stratofreighter air refueling aircraft, which were kept on alert in order to meet and refuel nuclear armed B-52 Stratofortress bombers in the skies over western Newfoundland. The base also saw use as a refueling stop for transatlantic military flights and the base supported three Aerospace Defense Command (ADC) units. In 1957, the Canadian Department of Transport constructed an airport terminal to accommodate Trans-Canada Air Lines (now Air Canada) commercial flights; Ernest Harmon AFB being the only air field in western Newfoundland.

Aerodrome

In 1942 the aerodrome was listed as USAAF Aerodrome - Stephenville, Newfoundland at 48.53333°N, -58.55°W with a variation of 30 degrees west and elevation of 40 ft. The field was listed as "all hard surfaced" and had three runways listed as follows:

Cold War expansion and road construction
The Cold War expansion of the base in the early 1950s coincided with the Korean War and the rise in nuclear tensions with the Soviet Union. The USAF sought to build more roads in the area to serve the base and nearby Pinetree Line early warning radar site and to patrol the immediate area for security; the roads would also act as a means of dispersing personnel in an emergency. One of the more important projects was a bypass road around the base, known as the Hansen Memorial Highway.

In 1953, the 347th (Engineer Aviation) battalion was assigned the immense task (along with 2,502 contractor personnel) of completing the 62 line construction projects at Ernest Harmon AFB. These consisted of:
 * completion of major runways of up to 222000 yd2
 * taxiway and aprons of up to 421000 yd2
 * aprons of heavy duty pavement up to 351,000 yd2
 * construct a runway complex that was so large that the existing harbor facilities at Port Harmon had to be demolished to give proper clearance for aircraft
 * construction of fighter aircraft hangars
 * construction of three wharves and dredging of the existing harbour at Port Harmon, which, when completed was 8000 ft long, 200 ft wide, and 35 ft deep
 * construction of a flight control tower in September 1953
 * construction of four petroleum tanks with a capacity of 25000 to 125000 oilbbl of aviation fuel

By June 1953 the 347th Engineers had deployed 444 engineers. They were joined by an additional 750 engineers who departed Florida and arrived at Harmon on June 23 to construct three of the line construction projects:
 * a bypass road Hanson Memorial Highway to prevent civilian access through the base (in progress since April, 1943)
 * a base salvage yard
 * a trailer park for Harmon personnel
 * removal of a granite hill the north end of the Frobisher Bay AFB runway

The 347th Engineers was made up of four companies; three line companies and one Headquarters and Service (H&S) company. Company A was responsible for construction of the salvage yard and Company B and C were responsible for the construction of the bypass road with a budget of $583,000.

The salvage yard, which was situated near Noels Pond on 30 acre, was finished to partial occupancy by the fall of 1954 and completed in 1955. Thirty Butler Buildings (prefabricated steel) were located on the property. The machinery which constructed the bypass road was buried at the end of the property when it became over used and obsolete in 1959–1960, under the supervision of Warrant Officer Ebb Higdon, Company A. They were later dug up to be sold for scrap but were found to be useless and reburied. This equipment had come up from Florida in Liberty ships, with the battalion in 1953. In 1986, when this information was made available to the town of Stephenville via a series of articles in the Georgian newspaper, several doubters and curiosity seekers, armed with metal detectors, swarmed over the site and located the buried equipment.

Company B and C began work on the bypass road by working towards each other. Company C, under the command of Captain Claxton Ray began at the Stephenville side and worked towards Company B which began construction near Cormiers Village and worked in two directions towards Long Gull Pond and towards Stephenville. It was necessary to begin construction of the road at Cormiers Village and work back towards Stephenville pending the finalizing of property agreements. Company B was under the command of Captain Gomez. The H&S Company split operations equipment and men between the three Companies.

The 11 mi long construction began with a line of corduroy roads comprising one half of the road and when Long Gull Pond was reached in the fall of 1954, the other half was constructed. The road followed the existing rail road line. It was necessary to build three access roads approximately 2 mi in length in order to facilitate construction of the bypass road. These roads were built to the same specifications as the bypass road as they were used constantly for heavy hauling. The concrete bridge over Cold Creek was built in 1954 and the 60 ft concrete bridge over Warm Creek was programmed for completion in 1956. Not counting equipment, 90000 yd3 of fill. 30000 yd3 of crushed rock and 15000 yd3 of earth were used before the final 19 in of paving was laid down. Equipment and material were stored at the Gull Pond site. The bypass road was officially opened to the public in October 1957 and named the Hanson Memorial Highway. The third construction operation was cancelled.

The 347th (changed to the 823rd in 1954) Engineer Aviation Battalion was disbanded in 1957 and most of the men went back to the US. The two battalion commanders at the time were, Colonel Germain and Major Truet. The medical officer was V.H. Berry and the ground safety officer was 1st Lieutenant Arthur Everitt. The general construction on the base (buildings, roads and runways) was done under the base supervision of Colonel Koski and Colonel Bailey. J.A. Jones held the construction contract from 1954 to 1959. From 1956 to 1959, Major Ray was the superintendent for the asphalt, rock crushing and concrete operations for J.A. Jones and was responsible for the construction of 200 on base houses, two seven-story barracks for 1,500 airmen, additional runways and the Central Heating (steam) Plant. One of the barracks is used as residences for the College of the North Atlantic as well as a hotel during the summer tourist season. The other barrack was converted into a six-story apartment complex known as the Stephenville Manor.

Base schools
The first educational institution at Ernest Harmon AFB was an elementary school established in 1948 using a small clap-board building that housed 28 children and 3 teachers. The first high school graduating class (1957) matriculated in 1953 with all of the students beginning their educations at St. Stephens High School in Stephenville. A new elementary school was built near the base entrance in 1955 and was formally opened in May 1956 by former base commander, Colonel Richard Fellows and the school principal. In 1956 there were 19 teachers and 62 children.

On September 4, 1956, the base high school officially opened in building number T-394, the old elementary school building. In 1958, Harmon High established its own newspaper, The Harmon Highlight.

The base's civilian dependent population continued to grow during the early 1960s and the schools expanded along with them. A new high school was opened and in 1962–63, the high school teaching staff increased to 25 while the elementary-middle school staff of teachers jumped to 42.

By 1965–66, the last year of military operations at Ernest Harmon AFB, the total school population had grown to over 1000 elementary students and 38 teachers and the high school had a population of 171 junior high and 235 high school students with 28 teachers. When the base closed in 1966, so did the school system, which had 1,175 elementary students and 43 teachers and 405 junior and high school students and 26 teachers upon closure.

Recreation
Stephenville Air Base and later Ernest Harmon AFB were located in the protection of the Long Range Mountains and harbour of the St. Georges Bay area, virtually cut off from rest of the island, except for a few roads and boat and plane traffic. But during the 1940s and 1950s, when roads were virtually non-existent and surface travel was limited to the slow narrow-gauge passenger trains of the Newfoundland Railway which linked to small coastal steamships or ferries to the mainland at North Sydney, Nova Scotia. In addition, the airfield's location at the head of Bay St. George was one of the more geographically isolated parts of the island, being surrounded by the Long Range Mountains and the coastline of the island's west coast being dotted with outports. In addition to USAAF/USAF aircraft, the only other option for travel was the railway and ferries/coasters, or exploring the limited local road network which stretched along the coast and into the uninhabited interior of the island.

The base also precipitated an economic boom of sorts on Newfoundland's southwest coast during the 1940s. Corner Brook was the major population centre for the region, given its industrial base, harbour, and nearby recreational opportunities in the Humber Valley. With the investment of the USAAF in Stephenville, the St. George's Bay area began to flourish and grew rapidly. The village of Stephenville grew from a hamlet of several hundred people with no paved streets, side walks, water or sewage system in 1941 into a modern town of over 5,000 by the mid-1950s. By the time Ernest Harmon AFB closed in the mid-1960s, the town had more than doubled in size, partly as a result of the provincial government's forced resettlement policy toward residents of outports.

Recognizing the link between geographic and social isolation, the base command incorporated a number of recreational facilities into their programs and building projects, making Ernest Harmon AFB a leader of sorts among USAF facilities. By the mid-1950s, thousands of service men and their families were making use of these activities monthly. In the area of Hobby Shops there was space available for leather craft, ceramics, amateur radio, lapidary, woodworking, automotive shops, model airplanes and photo labs. Sports facilities and groups were set for softball, baseball, bowling, golf, picnicking, archery and guns. The Stephenville area was located near good hunting and fishing grounds, thus the base established a fishing lodge at Camp 33 with eight large cabins, a 40-man bunk house, along with a mess hall and kitchen. Camp 33 was owned by the Bowater Pulp and Paper Company which had a mill in Corner Brook, although the camp was leased to the base during the spring and summer months.

Along with outside activities a number of service clubs were built and the University of Maryland University College extension courses were set up for those wishing to continue their education while on the base. A local broadcasting station and commercial free radio station was in operation by the mid-1950s with as many as six live shows a week being broadcast as well as live theater and plays being made available and a movie theater. A large gymnasium was built in 1956 with a seating capacity of 500, two squash courts and four wall courts. The base chapel accommodated up to 1500 worshippers of many religions and faiths per week. The library was also one of the most frequently used facilities with an average book lending rate of 1000 books every month. The most popular recreational feature of the entire base was the Base Theater which ran a new movie every night except Sundays and Mondays. There were four shows a day and a matinee on Saturdays.

Given its size and importance, and the large number of personnel assigned during the height of the Cold War in the 1950s, the base managed to attract many celebrities to visit and/or perform, including Marilyn Monroe, Elvis Presley, Frank Sinatra and Bob Hope. In the early years of the base, recreational activities off base in the town of Stephenville were very limited and some were often restricted. In some of the pamphlets released by the base to its airmen, they went as far as giving the names of women and particular houses and taverns that no base personnel were to be in or near, as well as rules about fraternizing with the local girls.

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Andrew Mango

Andrew James Alexander Mango (14 June 1926 – 6 July 2014) was a British BBC employee and author.

Life
He was born in Istanbul, one of three sons of Alexander Mango, an Italian-Greek barrister and his White Russian wife Adelaide Damonov; the Byzantinist Cyril Mango was his younger brother. He was brought up in Istanbul and mastered a number of languages.

While still young, Mango took a job as press officer in the British Embassy at Ankara. He moved to the United Kingdom in 1947 and lived in London until his death. He held degrees from the University of London, including a doctorate on Persian literature.

Mango joined the BBC's Turkish section while a student and spent his entire career in the External Services, rising to be Turkish Programme Organiser and then Head of the South European Service. He retired in 1986. He died at the age of 88 on 6 July 2014. His death was announced by Richard Moore, the British Ambassador to Turkey.

Works

 * Turkey (1968)
 * Discovering Turkey (1971)
 * Turkey: The Challenge of a New Role (1994)
 * Atatürk: The Biography of the Founder of Modern Turkey (1999)
 * The Turks Today (2004)
 * Turkey and the War on Terrorism (2005)
 * From the Sultan to Atatürk — Turkey (2009)

His background in Persian and Arabic studies allowed Mango to master Ottoman Turkish. He wrote his PhD thesis at the SOAS on Alexander the Great. Where he later throughout his career would also lecture as guest, and advise on modern Turkish studies.

Mango published his first book in 1968, while he was working for the BBC. After his retirement his productivity increased. His book on Kemal Atatürk, from 1999, established an international reputation.

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List of events in Houston

Regularly scheduled events

 * AMA Supercross
 * Anime Matsuri
 * ApolloCon
 * Bayou City Art Festival (formerly the Westheimer Colony Arts Festival)
 * Comicpalooza
 * Free Press Summer Fest
 * Frontier Fiesta
 * Houston Art Car Parade
 * Houston Auto Show
 * Houston Gay and Lesbian Film Festival
 * Houston Gay Pride Parade
 * Houston Greek Festival
 * Houston International Festival (I-Fest)
 * Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo
 * Houston Marathon
 * Juneteenth
 * Shell Houston Open
 * Texas Renaissance Festival
 * Westheimer Street Festival (no longer held biannually since October 17, 2004; the replacement festival, WestFest Compressed, was held in October 2005)

One-time events

 * 1992 Republican National Convention
 * Rendez-vous Houston
 * World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE)'s WrestleMania X-Seven on April 1, 2001
 * World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE)'s WrestleMania XXV on April 5, 2009

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Talk:Parametric feature based modeler

This description is very Autodesk oriented. It confuses CSG (Constructive Solid Geometry) with parametric-feature based modeling. The concept of parametric feature-based modeling was first introduced on the market by PTC as a a modeling system at a higher abstraction level than the CSG solid modeling approach. The higher the abstraction level the more the system is close to the designer and les close to the mathematical underlying computer model. Almost all the feature-based CAD systems are based on a b-rep (boundary representation) not on a CSG. features are entities/concepts at the user level (such as holes, fillets, hollows, threads, etc.) and are intended to replace the low level geometric operators of the CSG approach (union, difference and intersection of solids).

The PTC approach was so successful that within few years all the CAD systems adopted the parametric feature based approach (even if for marketing reasons they choose different names, such as hybrid system, procedural systems, etc.).

Autodesk came as last one in the transition from solid modeling to feature-based solid modeling. I assume because they where still busy in the transition from 2D to 3D. And AutoCAD never become a real feature based system. The only product in this category from Autodesk is Inventor.

Addition
Does alias studio tools also parametric

Rhino also getting closer to parametric

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Talk:Podolsky

VfD consensus
Per the discussion on Votes for Deletion, this article has been retained. Since then, it seems to have become a disambiguation page, which is probably a Good Thing.--TenOfAllTrades(talk) 23:42, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Journal to Eliza

Journal to Eliza is a work by British author Laurence Sterne. It was published posthumously in 1904. It is written as a diary, but was supposedly intended as a love letter to Eliza Draper. Sterne predicted that it would be published long after the deaths of both himself and Draper.

Composition history
Sterne wrote it in the summer of 1767, as he neared the end of his life. At that time he was also writing A Sentimental Journey through France and Italy, where the 'little picture of Eliza' that Yorick wears around his neck is mentioned at the outset.

The journal is in the form of a diary-cum-letter and was inspired by his deep affection for Mrs. Elizabeth Draper whom he had met when she visited England in 1765–1767. She was the 22 year old wife of an East India Company official and sister of Rawson Hart Boddam. Her husband had brought her to recuperate from illness. Given both parties were already married, the relationship was regarded as scandalous.

Pseudonymous writing
The author adopts the pseudonym Parson Yorick, who previously appeared in his two best known novels, The Life and Opinions of Tristram Shandy, Gentleman and A Sentimental Journey through France and Italy. In Tristram Shandy we are told that the parson is related to the famous, fictional jester Yorick whose skull is disinterred in William Shakespeare's Hamlet:

"It has often come into my head, that this post could be no other than that of the king’s chief Jester;—and that Hamlet’s Yorick, in our Shakespear, many of whose plays, you know, are founded upon authenticated facts,—was certainly the very man."

Allusions to the Brahmins
In a second example of the author's playfulness with names, Sterne and Eliza receive the pet names ‘Bramin’ and ‘Bramine’ throughout. Given the Brahmin Hindu priestly caste is renowned for austerity and wisdom, Sterne thereby draws attention to his real-life role as a priest. Simultaneously, Eliza's epithet Bramine highlights her connections with India.

This playful religious name-calling serves to remind us that Sterne was an Anglican clergyman. Remembered now for his fiction, in his day more copies of his sermons were published than of his novels.

Autobiographical elements
There is characteristically Sternian ambiguity in the Journal concerning whether it was written as a private extended love letter to Elizabeth Draper, or was intended for publication as literature. It appears to be both autobiographical and an imaginative work of fiction, and Sterne says he is writing for posterity:

"...when You and I are at rest for ever— Some Annotator or explainer of my works in this place will take occasion, to speak of the Friendship which Subsisted so long and faithfully betwixt Yorick and the Lady he speaks of."

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