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Talk:Godric's Hollow

mentioned in quidditch through the ages
"The invention of the Golden Snitch is credited to the wizard Bowman Wright of Godric's Hollow"--Darthanakin 04:05, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Where's Godric Hollow in Book 6?
Aside from a reference in the end by Harry, I cannot find any more passing mentions. So where is the place mentioned? 09:00, 19 July 2005 George Leung
 * Great work, that's all I got from the books too. Zhanster 06:57, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

 * It's mentioned in Chapter 1 or 2 (I can't remember) of the first Book (Philolospher's / Sorcerer's Stone). 84.13.46.92 15:50, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

The existence/location of Godric's Hollow
"On JK Rowling's official site she wrote that Godric's Hollow is a magical village like Hogsmeade. Since it has been stated that Hogsmeade is "the only entirely non-Muggle settlement in Britain," then it is safe to say that either Godric Hollow is not in Britain, or it no longer exists - possibly due to the very same Death Eater attack that killed the Potters."

It is not safe to say this. I doubt you'd find Ottery St Catchpole (the village where The Burrow is located) on a real map of Britain, but it is obviously in Britain in the HP universe. The same applies to Godric's Hollow. I'm removing this paragraph from the article. Trevor Andersen 04:49, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Let's employ a little logic and fix the paragraph rather than just lop it out. It is not claimed that you can find it on a map now is it? It's claimed that

 * Godric hollow is/was a magical villiage like Hogsmeade.
 * Hogsmeade is the only totally magical village in Britain.

 * It's uncertain from the paragraph whether Godric's hollow is meant to be totally wizarding, or whether it can be "mixed" like Ottery St Catchpole (and Ottery St Catchpole must be mixed, as Hogesmeade is the only totally wizarding village in Britain).

 * The only logcial conclusions are

 * If Godric's hollow exists, and is totally "wizarding", it isn't in Britain.
 * If Godric's hollow exists, and exists in Britain, it isn't totally "wizarding"
 * If Godric's hollow is/was in Britain, and is/was totally "wizarding", it no longer exists.

 * So if you add #2 from the list just above this line into the paragraph, it can stand.

 * Beowulf314159 05:03, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

 * My earlier reasoning was wrong (I misinterpreted the argument, thinking it was based on looking at real-life Britain), but the paragraph is still invalid. On Rowling's site she says "Godric’s Hollow is a village." . That's it. She does not say if it is a Muggle village or a wizarding village. The first line is false, and so the entire paragraph is baseless speculation, going against the fact that every significant location has been in Britain (so why would Godric's Hollow be an exception?), and that Harry plans to go there (to the village, not to the ruin of the village). Plus, it's never stated that a Death Eater attack took place at the Potter's, we know of only Voldemort and the Potters being at the scene. I won't remove the paragraph yet, but please give me reason otherwise or I'll get rid of it tomorrow.
 * Trevor Andersen 08:26, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Huh - ok. It's it's just listed "as a village" and not compared in any way to Hogsmeade then your argument is perfectly correct - and the comparison with Hogmeade isn't valid. - Beowulf314159 16:20, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Location of Godrics Hollow
"As for the town's exact location, there are speculations that Godric's Hollow is somewhere in Wales (thus making Harry Potter of Welsh origin). The reason for this speculation is the fact that, when carrying baby Harry from Godric's Hollow to Little Whinging in Surrey, Rubeus Hagrid flew over Bristol - which is at the border between England and Wales."

Bristol is actually in the Northernmost part of South West England. In a direct line, North Somerset and North Devon & Northernmost Cornwall are more likely places, whilst if it had been in South Wales Hagrid would have flown over Gloucester. Given the Celtic Name, then we're more than likely looking at Cornwall.

Arawn

 * As the map on this page shows, Bristol is not in a direct line from Cornwall to Surrey. Also, there is nothing Celtic about the name. Godric is an Anglo-Saxon personal name and the word "hollow" is also of Old English origin, according to my dictionary. 167.7.30.194 18:56, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Here's another suggestion: Hagrid says that he and Harry flew "across the channel." Hagrid also mistakenly thinks that if Sirius had taken Harry, Sirius would have thrown Harry off the flying motorcycle as soon as they were "out ter sea." Assuming that Hagrid and Harry flew in a straight line to Little Whinging (in a London suburb) and flew over Bristol, the "channel" they crossed could be St. George's Channel. Then, Godric's Hollow (their starting point) could be in Ireland. Maybe Godric's Hollow is the Golden Vale (or is in the Golden Vale) in southwestern Ireland.

Sorry, where did you read "accross the channel"? I could only find "hafway accross the sea" in prisoner, no mention of any channel. Anyway, I agree that it is most likely in Southern Ireland. Please let me know what you think of the following map for possible locations. Lag 13:44, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

In Deathly Hallows it says it is a "West Country village". There is essay at the HP lexicon which suggests that Hagrid moved Harry from Godric's Hollow to somewhere in south Wales and waited until he had to take him to privet drive. I'm sure it shouldn't take long to find.

While trying to find out where Godric's Hollow was located I came across an article that stated that JK stated it was located in Cottonbridge, England. I did a search and came up with nothing, but there was another article stating that Cotton Bridge was located in the Settlement of Halstock. The Settlement of Halstock has a street named 'Church' that does have a church on it, however it does not make sense for Hagrid's flight path and his comment about Bristol. But, it would make sense if he did go to Southern Wales before heading to Surrey.

Quotations
Here are the quotations for the references I inserted:

Book 1, Ch.1 “What they're saying,” {Professor McGonagall} pressed on, “is that last night Voldemort turned up in Godric’s Hollow. He went to find the Potters. The rumor is that Lily and James Potter are - are - that they’re - dead .” Dumbledore bowed his head. Professor McGonagall gasped.

Book 6, Ch.30 “I thought I might go back to Godric's Hollow,” Harry muttered. He had had the idea in his head ever since the night of Dumbledore's death. “For me, it started there, all of it. I've just got a feeling I need to go there. And I can visit my parents' graves, I'd like that.”

└ VodkaJazz / talk ┐ 17:39, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

you ar assuming are you not that J K is being entirly consistant, she has not always been so in the past. If she is truely being consistent then possibly it is in ireland, but then if it is linked with godric then it seems unlikly as i don't know why and irishman around a thousand years ago would have an anglo-saxon name, but then maybe that is where the inconsitency lies

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 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. — Xezbeth 20:09, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)

D.H. Records
This "independent record label" appears to record only the label's owner, who does not seem to be notable. Delete. Jonathunder 04:40, 2005 Jun 3 (UTC)
 * Delete non notable, possible self promotion. JamesBurns 09:33, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Both for non-notable and self-promotion. 216.158.31.195 17:08, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn/vanity/self-promotion. And pro wrestling and gospel music seems like an odd pairing, but that's just me. --Etacar11 17:28, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * My dear Etacar, you forget the Ultimate Warrior - who fights in the ring to the glory of his ultra-neo-conservative lord! 216.158.31.195 18:15, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Ahh. I don't get out much... ;) --Etacar11 18:39, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * It happens ;) Guess it doesn't say much about me that the only reason I know about him is thanks to SomethingAwful/ 216.158.31.195 18:50, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Label is small and plans to sign other artists. --Goofy14 01:16, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * User's only edit. --Etacar11 22:53, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Correction, my first and this is my second edit. Also, I looked at the article's history of edits. It's funny, Jonathunder did several edits for a few months, before submitting a VFD. --Goofy14 01:36, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Kelli White

Kelli White (born April 1, 1977, in Oakland, California) is an American former sprinter. She won two gold medals in the World Championships in Paris in 2003. However, on June 18, 2004, she was stripped of her medals, because she tested positive on a drug test. She retired from professional track in 2006.

Early life and education
White's parents had both been sprinters. Her mother, Debbie Byfield, competed at the 1972 Summer Olympics. She attended James Logan High School in Union City, California, where she was on the track team. In 1994, when she was 17, a fellow student slashed her face with a knife; 300 stitches were required to close the wounds. White continued competing that season. Although she never won a state championship, at the time of her graduation in 1995 she held the top time in the 200 meters and the second best time in the 100 meters in the North Coast Section. She received a scholarship to the University of Tennessee, graduating in 1999.

Doping case and work with USADA
After her positive test, White admitted guilt and testified before the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS). All her performances since December 15, 2000, were annulled. She was banned for two years by the United States Anti-Doping Agency, effective May 17, 2004.

Her doping was linked to the BALCO doping scandal. After returning from college to the San Francisco Bay Area in 2000, White's long-time coach, Remi Korchemny, introduced her to BALCO head Victor Conte. White has reported that Conte provided her with products that he identified as supplements and vitamins at first; when he informed her that one was a steroid, she declined to use it then and did not begin doping until after an injury-plagued, losing year in 2002. After being confronted with evidence seized from BALCO, she admitted using tetrahydrogestrinone (THG) and erythropoietin (EPO) in addition to modafinil.

White has since given lectures on drug abuse in sports around the world. She became the first athlete to work directly with the United States Anti-Doping Agency to help it understand the system and culture of doping at the elite competition level.

While banned from competition, she has taught at track clinics at James Logan High. She announced her retirement in May 2006.

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Talk:Massacre (disambiguation)

2005
I switched the redirect to the List of massacres. Many of the pages that link here use massacre and atrocity differently, and massacres already links to the list, so the split between singular and plural made no sense.--Goodoldpolonius2 04:41, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Meaning of Massacre
THere has been discussion about what determines themeaning of a massacre, esp in discussion of the Recent Montreal School shooting. BY definition it's the killing pf multiple people who are unresisting, unable to resist, or non-combatants. This does include combatants who have surrendered. Magu 01:44, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

"Often, the application of the term to such killings has distinct political significance in shaping subsequent events, and the term is often used for propagandistic purposes" - I don't agree with this statement, and I don't think it belongs in the article. I agree the word "massacre" is a word flashed around by the media whenever it can, but the meaning of "massacre" is plain and clear, no matter what the provocation or lack thereof. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck ...... 203.214.56.101 23:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Picture
I assume that the My Lai picture is used because it's like uhm... the biggest and most important massacre of all times, right? Or just that it is American? Medico80 21:53, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't see why a picture is required. Talk about disturbing.Joe 22:04, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * You want to read an article about massacres and not be disturbed?? The photo is definitely appropriate, and WP:NOT. FiggyBee 05:03, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Massacre or Genocide
By Ahmet Altan May 9, 2005 http://www.gazetem.net/ahmetaltan.asp Translated by the Zoryan Institute

I would like to ask a very simple, ordinary question.

Would you wish to be an Armenian in 1915?

No, you wouldn't.

Because now you know you would have been killed.

Please stop arguing about the number of murdered or the denials or the attempts to replace pain with statistics.

No one is denying that Armenians were murdered, right?

It may be 300,000, or 500,000, or 1.5 million.

I don't know which number is the truth, or whether anyone knows the true number accurately.

What I do know is the existence of the death and pain beyond these numbers.

I am also aware how we forget that we are talking about human beings when we are passionately debating the numbers.

Those numbers cannot describe the murdered babies, women, the elderly, the teenage boys and girls.

If we leave the numbers aside, and if we allow ourselves to hear the story of only one of these murders, I am sure that even those of us who get enraged when they hear the words "Armenian Genocide" will feel the pain, will have tears in their eyes.

Because they will realize that we are talking about human beings.

When we hear about a baby pulled from a mother's hands to be dashed on the rocks, or a youth shot to death beside a hill, or an old woman throttled by her slender neck, even the hard-hearted among us will be ashamed to say, "Yes, but these people killed the Turks."

Most of these people did not kill anyone.

These people became the innocent victims of a crazed government powered by murder, pitiless but also totally incompetent in governing.

This bloody insanity was a barbarism, not something for us to take pride in or be part of.

This was a slaughter that we should be ashamed of, and, if possible, something that we can sympathize with and share the pain.

I understand that the word "genocide" has a damningly critical meaning, based on the relentless insistence of the Armenians' "Accept the Genocide" argument, or the Turks' "No, it was not a genocide" counterargument, even though the Turks accept the death of hundreds of thousands of Armenians.

And yet, this word is not that important for me, even though it has significance in politics and diplomacy.

What is more important for me is the fact that many innocent people were killed so barbarically.

When I see the shadow of this bloody event on the present world, I see a greater injustice done to the Armenians.

Our crime today is not to allow the present Armenians even to grieve for their cruelly killed relatives and parents.

Which Armenian living in Turkey today can openly grieve and commemorate a murdered grandmother, grandfather or uncle?

I have nothing in common with the terrible sin of the past Ittihadists, but the sin of not allowing grief for the dead belongs to all of us today.

Do you really want to commit this sin?

Is there anyone among us who would not shed tears for a family attacked at home in the middle of the night, or for a little girl left all alone in the desert during the nightmare called "deportation," or for a white-bearded grandfather shot?

Whether you call it genocide or not, hundreds of thousands of human beings were murdered.

Hundreds of thousands of lives snuffed out.

The fact that some Armenian gangs murdered some Turks cannot be an excuse to mask the truth that hundreds of thousands of Armenians were murdered.

A human being of conscience is capable of grieving for the Armenians, as well as the Turks, as well as the Kurds.

We all should.

Babies died; women and old people died.

They died in pain, tormented, terrified.

Is it really so important what religion or race these murdered people had?

Even in these terrifying times there were Turks who risked their lives trying to rescue Armenian children.

We are the children of these rescuers, as well as the children of the murderers.

Instead of justifying and arguing on behalf of the murderers, why don't we praise and defend the rescuers' compassion, honesty, and courage?

There are no more victims left to be rescued today, but there is a grief, a pain, to be shared and supported.

What's the use of a bloody, warmongering dance around a deep pain?

Forget the numbers, forget the Armenians, forget the Turks, just think of the babies, teenagers, and old people with necks broken, bellies slashed, bodies mutilated. Think about these people, one by one.

If nothing moves in you when you hear a baby wail as her mother is murdered, I have nothing to say to you.

Then add my name to the list of "traitors."

Because I am ready to share the grief and pain with the Armenians.

Because I still believe there is something yet to be rescued from all these meaningless and pitiless arguments, and that something is called "humanity."

 * The talk page is not a soapbox. Maybe you can find a forum to discuss historicial events somewhere. - Roswell Crash Survivor 03:49, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Dictionary definition
In line with Wikipedia is not a dictionary. I think this page should become a disambiguation page as has been done with atrocity with the first entry: --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 21:11, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Massacre dictionary definition

As Massacre (disambiguation) already exists I suggest moving that page here. --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 21:31, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

 * I have copied the contents of Massacre (disambiguation) to this page and made Massacre (disambiguation) a redirect to this page. --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 10:52, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

The wiktionary meaning is "The intentional killing of a considerable number of human beings under circumstances of atrocity or cruelty" or "The intentional killing of a considerable number of human beings contrary to the usages of civilized people." --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 12:40, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

IHL
"contrary to the usages of civilized people" is a International humanitarian law term taken from the Martens Clause "Until a more complete code of the laws of war has been issued, the High Contracting Parties deem it expedient to declare that, in cases not included in the Regulations adopted by them, the inhabitants and the belligerents remain under the protection and the rule of the principles of the law of nations, as they result from the usages established among civilized peoples, from the laws of humanity, and the dictates of the public conscience."

--Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 09:26, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

CfR for Category:Massacres
Category:Massacres proposed for renaming, otherwise deletion. See Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_March_2. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:41, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Aerial bombardment
Why are a few instances of aerial area bombing (Hamburg, for example) included, but only a few -- why not Dresden, Tokyo, London, Rotterdam, and scores of others? Seem to me that one could argue for inclusion of aerial bombing under "massacre" but if so, why cite so few examples? If it counts, list all the cities bombed. Sailboatd2 (talk) 17:25, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

 * It is a problem with categories. Do the majority of reliable sources describe them as massacres it not then they should probably not be in the category. Because the term is controversial, to include them or exclude them as an Wikipedia editorial decision is original research --PBS (talk) 17:31, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

THIS IS NOT A LIST OF MASSACRES
After two AfD, Wikipedia editors formed a consensus to move list of massacres to List of events named massacres as no criteria for defining what was a massacre, without an unacceptable level of original research (and often a none neutral point of view as the word has pejorative connotations) could be agreed upon. So please do not add a list of random events to this disambiguation page without first mentioning that you intend to do this on talk:List of events named massacres and gaining a consensus to do so. -- PBS (talk) 12:18, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/List of massacres
 * Articles for deletion/List of massacres (2nd nomination)

vocabulary
I really just need the definition to the word Massacre. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.201.169.71 (talk) 21:33, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

 * http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/massacre#Noun --194.150.65.5 (talk) 09:26, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

"Massacre (Disambiguation)" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Massacre (Disambiguation) and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 24 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 16:41, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

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Matthew 4:1

Matthew 4:1 is the first verse of the fourth chapter of the Gospel of Matthew in the New Testament. This verse opens the section in Matthew dealing with the temptation of Christ by Satan. Jesus has just been baptized by John the Baptist; in this verse he is led out into the wilderness.

Content
In the King James Version of the Bible, the text reads:
 * Then was Jesus led up of the
 * Spirit into the wilderness
 * to be tempted of the devil.

The New International Version translates the passage as:
 * Then Jesus was led by the
 * Spirit into the desert to
 * be tempted by the devil.

The 1881 Westcott-Hort Greek text is:
 * τοτε [ο] ιησους ανηχθη εις την ερημον υπο του πνευματος
 * πειρασθηναι υπο του διαβολου

For a collection of other versions see BibleHub Matthew 4:1.

Analysis
The verse makes clear that the Spirit, presumably the Holy Ghost prominently mentioned two verses before in Matthew 3:16, is the one who leads Jesus into the desert. France states that it is clear that while Satan's goals were his own, the testing of Jesus was ordained by God. France also feels that tempted is a poor translation. He argues that the devil was testing Jesus. Led up refers specifically to moving upwards geographically, likely linking to climbing from the river side of the Jordan to a location of higher latitude in the wilderness. Keener notes that the specific wording may also be a reference to God leading his people into the wilderness in Exodus.

There is no evidence of what specific wilderness area is being referred to, other than that it was at a higher level than the river. Jones reports that the wilderness mentioned here has since the 5th century been believed to be the rocky and uninhabited area between Jerusalem and Jericho. A spot on Mount Quarantania is traditionally the exact location, and a Greek Orthodox monastery exists on the spot today. Jones notes that this was Jesus meeting the devil on the devil's ground. The desert is seen as outside the bounds of society and as the home of demons. Other scholars, such as France, disagree arguing that the wilderness was considered pure and holy in contrast to the corrupting cities. France also notes that Matthew 12 has the waterless desert as a place unpleasant to demons. Heading into the desert to battle with demons became an important part of the monastic tradition in later centuries.

Gundry notes that some have read this reference to the wilderness as a comparison to Adam in the Garden of Eden. Implying that this time Jesus will not sin, and thus redeem humanity. Gundry rejects this idea and believes that nowhere does Matthew's text imply such a comparison. Rather Gundry supports the popular view that the reference to the wilderness is an allusion to the Israelites after the Exodus and specifically to Moses.

Matthew here uses the Greek word diabolos rather than the Hebrew satan used in Mark. Both words roughly translate as accuser, but it seems clear that both terms were understood as the name of a specific being at the time Matthew was writing. Matthew gives no details about the devil. The devil's status as a fallen angel(see Luke 10:18 & Revelation 12:9). The tail and pitchfork, and other embellishments are found nowhere in the Bible and were all products of later writings. In earlier parts of the Old Testament such as the Book of Job and 1 Chronicles the devil is portrayed as a lieutenant of God who works in a role that Albright and Mann describe as the "opposing council," testing humans on behalf of God. Over time, perhaps under the influence of Iranian dualism, Satan became the great antagonist and this was the view that was current by the time the gospels were written. However, this verse seems to somewhat echo Satan's early role as God's tester.

Augustine in his work on the Trinity, asks, "Why did He offer Himself to temptation?" He answers, "That He might be our mediator in vanquishing temptation not by aid only, but by example."

Textual witnesses
Some early manuscripts containing the text of this verse are:
 * Papyrus 101 (~ 250)
 * Codex Vaticanus (325-350)
 * Codex Sinaiticus (330-360)
 * Codex Bezae (~400)
 * Codex Washingtonianus (~400)
 * Codex Ephraemi Rescriptus (~450)

Commentary from the Church Fathers
Pseudo-Chrysostom: The Lord being baptized by John with water, is led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be baptized by the fire of temptation. ‘Then,’ i. e. when the voice of the Father had been given from heaven.

Chrysostom: (Hom. xiii.) Whoever thou art then that after thy baptism sufferest grievous trials, be not troubled thereat; for this thou receivedst arms, to fight, not to sit idle. God does not hold all trial from us; first, that we may feel that we are become stronger; secondly, that we may not be puffed up by the greatness of the gifts we have received; thirdly, that the Devil may have experience that we have entirely renounced him; fourthly, that by it we may be made stronger; fifthly, that we may receive a sign of the treasure entrusted to us; for the Devil would not come upon us to tempt us, did he not see us advanced to greater honours.

Hilary of Poitiers: The Devil's snares are chiefly spread for the sanctified, because a victory over the saints is more desired than over others.

Gregory the Great: (Hom. in. Ev. 16.1.) Some doubt what Spirit it was that led Jesus into the desert, for that it is said after, The Devil took him into the holy city. But true and without question agreeable to the context is the received opinion, that it was the Holy Spirit; that His own Spirit should lead Him thither where the evil spirit should find Him to try Him.

Augustine: (de Trin. iv. 13.) Why did He offer Himself to temptation? That He might be our mediator in vanquishing temptation not by aid only, but by example.

Pseudo-Chrysostom: He was led by the Holy Spirit, not as an inferior at the bidding of a greater. For we say led, not only of him who is constrained by a stronger than he, but also of him who is induced by reasonable persuasion; as Andrew found his brother Simon, and brought him to Jesus.

Jerome: Led, not against His will, or as a prisoner, but as by a desire for the conflict.

Pseudo-Chrysostom: The Devil comes against men to tempt them, but since He could not come against Christ, therefore Christ came against the Devil.

Gregory the Great: We should know that there are three modes of temptation; suggestion, delight, and consent; and we when we are tempted commonly fall into delight or consent, because being born of the sin of the flesh, we bear with us whence we afford strength for the contest; but God who incarnate in the Virgin's womb came into the world without sin, carried within Him nothing of a contrary nature. He could then be tempted by suggestion; but the delight of sin never gnawed His soul, and therefore all that temptation of the Devil was without not within Him.

Chrysostom: The Devil is wont to be most urgent with temptation, when he sees us solitary; thus it was in the beginning he tempted the woman when he found her without the man, and now too the occasion is offered to the Devil, by the Saviour's being led into the desert.

Glossa Ordinaria: (ap. Anselm.) This desert is that between Jerusalem and Jericho, where the robbers used to resort. It is called Hammaim, i. e. ‘of blood,’ from the bloodshed which these robbers caused there; hence the man was said (in the parable) to have fallen among robbers as he went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, bearing a figure of Adam, who was overcome by dæmons. It was therefore fit that the place where Christ overcame the Devil, should be the same in which the Devil in the parable overcomes man.

Pseudo-Chrysostom: Not Christ only is led into the desert by the Spirit, but also all the sons of God who have the Holy Spirit. For they are not content to sit idle, but the Holy Spirit stirs them to take up some great work, i. e. to go out into the desert where they shall meet with the Devil; for there is no unrighteousness wherewith the Devil is pleased. For all good is without the flesh and the world, because it is not according to the will of the flesh and the world. To such a desert then all the sons of God go out that they may be tempted. For example, if you are unmarried, the Holy Spirit has in that led you into the desert, that is, beyond the limits of the flesh and the world, that you may be tempted by lust. But he who is married is unmoved by such temptation. Let us learn that the sons of God are not tempted but when they have gone forth into the desert, but the children of the Devil whose life is in the flesh and the world are then overcome and obey; the good man, having a wife is content; the bad, though he have a wife is not therewith content, and so in all other things. The children of the Devil go not out to the Devil that they may be tempted. For what need that he should seek the strife who desires not victory? But the sons of God having more confidence and desirous of victory, go forth against him beyond the boundaries of the flesh. For this cause then Christ also went out to the Devil, that He might be tempted of him.

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album pages
I'm trying to make pages for all of the albums, i'm not sure why the pages were deleted in the past, but hopefully we can make some sort of acceptable pages for the albums, as to get rid of many of these dead links all over the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MrHorrible101 (talk • contribs) 03:30, 17 July 2007

References, quotes, etc
Based from the featured article Aliso Creek (Orange County). Also:

Also, a few sources are dead links. I'm going to try to fix them. If anyone finds any more, let me know. Also, we should use the books more than they currently are. Alex Douglas (talk) 02:58, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Also, they have a couple of pages in A Fandom of Magical Proportions: S: an Unauthorized History of the Harry ... By Erin A. Pyne and a paragraph/page in Harry Potter: The Story of a Global Business Phenomenon By Susan Gunelius and The making of the Potterverse: a month-by-month look at Harry's first 10 years By Scott Thomas. Alex Douglas (talk) 03:17, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Also, quotes. They should avoided unless absolutely essential. Treat them as references; facts can be drawn from them.

"Playing in libraries is great. There’s zero pretension when you play at a library. There’s no dress code and there are no expectations, so it can also be really liberating for a lot of people. Some of the craziest shows we’ve played have been in libraries. We played a show in this small children’s theater at the Dallas Public Library. It has this awesome, tiny stage and was sort of built like a little night club even. Well, it was in a small room right in the middle of the library and about 200 people showed up on a Saturday afternoon and they were all ready to party. We turned that children’s room into a rock club." - Paul DeGeorge

"Harry and the Potters fit in with how I imagine the origins of a band like They Might Be Giants, i.e., a couple of dudes writing songs based on nerdy things like the books they like and wizards and monsters and general good vs. evil situations. But, in a way, Harry and the Potters have an edge on the rest of the indie-music world, because they actually have a concept instead of being just another group of boys with guitars and nice haircuts and no direction." - Dave Maher, a writer for Pitchfork Media

"We're playing to younger kids when they're just starting to get into music, so it will have some kind of long-term effect on them. Hopefully, this will encourage them to stay in bands, and read, or get into art. This one girl in Texas brought us a zine she made all about Harry Potter. It's really cool to see that we're inspiring them." - Paul DeGeorge.

"It’s cool that so many kids are starting their own bands, and most of them are starting bands for the first time. So what’s not to love about that? But it is a little overwhelming. I can’t even listen to any of their music because I don’t have the time. Every time I log onto myspace, there’s, like, five new bands. And I bookmark them every time I come across them, I try to keep tabs on them, but it’s overwhelming…very overwhelming."

"We're just really into the books," Clare Kelley, 18, said as she hangs out with a few friends before the show. "It's great how they promote the books and get kids to read." Her friend Julia Wagner, 17, whose red T-shirt said, "Reading Is Radical," saw Harry and the Potters the past two summers at the library. But, as for the music, Wagner winced a bit, saying "They're really exuberant, that's what I like about them." And, Kelley added, "I think they've gotten better." - fans in Washington Post

"Our parents were definitely confused by the whole thing at first, but they’ve always been very supportive of whatever weirdo endeavors we end up pursuing. They are great parents. I think they’re still baffled a bit by the fact that so many people want to come see us play and that sort of thing." - the band in moeller

"A few years back I was at their concert in Oklahoma City. Like many of the audience members, I was completely decked out in my wizard garb and screaming at the top of my lungs. Also, they give out toothbrushes if you turn in a book report, so in the spirit of reading, I wrote one on several books." - Tulsa World

Back to deadlinks: Alex Douglas (talk) 05:24, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * http://www.syracuse.com/articles/cny/index.ssf?/base/living-3/118492494174900.xml&coll=1
 * http://72.166.46.24//boston/music/other_stories/documents/03042096.asp
 * http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/16112250.htm
 * http://www.barnardbulletin.com/archive/spring04/4-21/4-21music/4-21music.html
 * http://www.streethawkmagazine.com/wpf/?p=36
 * http://www.daytrotter.com/article/87/free-songs-harry-and-the-potters
 * http://www.boiseweekly.com/gyrobase/Content?Oid=oid%3A293013
 * http://www.mundanesounds.com/record_review.php?id=754
 * http://media.www.nu-news.com/media/storage/paper600/news/2006/12/06/TheInside/Wizards.Of.Rock-2524863.shtml?sourcedomain=www.nu-*news.com&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com#more
 * http://www.yalibrarian.com/wordpress/2006/09/wizard-rock/
 * http://www.tulsaworld.com/entertainment/article.aspx?articleID=070119_Mu_d1_wizard

Also, articles that may help:
 * Nine Inch Nails - history, live performances
 * Insane Clown Posse - lyrics and music, live performances
 * The Orb - reduce 'wizard rock' to the extent of 'ambient house' in entire The Orb article

And, a paragraph guide: Alex Douglas (talk) 05:26, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Formation (2002)
 * Harry and the Potters and Voldemort Can't Stop the Rock! (2003–04): album 03, tour 03 (to organise shows, they released Mail Songs #1; they also played at odd venues), album 04, tour 04
 * Harry and the Potters and the Power of Love (2005–06): tour 05 (co-founded HPA & played shows organised by HPA on the '05 tour; plus international), eps 06, album 06, tour 06 (played at more conventions and wrock concerts, etc)
 * Touring and side projects (2007–09): sideprojects & wrock club, tour 07, tour 08 & filmography, tour 09 & compilation album & cassette 'series'
 * Future direction (2010 onward): tour 10

(2010) "But maybe there's something like that [a Deathly Hallows-related full length] in the future. It's hard to say right now." - Paul DeGeorge - http://wizardrock.co.uk/interview_hatp.htm

 * OK, using Web Archive, I was able to find the articles to the following:

 * http://www.daytrotter.com/article/87/free-songs-harry-and-the-potters
 * http://www.mundanesounds.com/record_review.php?id=754
 * http://www.yalibrarian.com/wordpress/2006/09/wizard-rock/
 * http://www.tulsaworld.com/entertainment/article.aspx?articleID=070119_Mu_d1_wizard

 * I found, but it was just a shell, so I'll try to find different information for that. The rest, I'll try to find new citations.--Gen. Quon (talk) 17:33, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Tour Because Awesome's
Do you think we should include things about their recent shows on the 2 Tour Because Awesome's with Driftless Pony Club and Hank Green & the Perfect Strangers? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wolfpack40351 (talk • contribs) 03:25, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

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