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KRCA (channel 62) is a television station licensed to Riverside, California, United States, broadcasting the Spanish-language Estrella TV network to the Los Angeles area. It is the flagship television property of Burbank-based Estrella Media. The station's studios are located on North Victory Drive (near Interstate 5) in Burbank. Through a channel sharing agreement with KABC-TV (channel 7), KRCA transmits using KABC-TV's spectrum from an antenna atop Mount Wilson. Despite Riverside being KRCA's city of license, the station maintains no physical presence there.

History
The station signed on March 20, 1989, as KSLD on UHF channel 62, displacing a low-power translator of San Bernardino–based PBS member station KVCR-TV (channel 24). The station was owned by Sunland Broadcasting; it was the first new Southern California TV station since channel 46 had returned in 1984. Channel 62 was intended to be the third Spanish-language TV outlet in the Southland, but an inability to secure enough programming prompted the station to emerge instead with home shopping programming from Home Shopping Network. The reason that KSLD-TV could not secure the programming was the collapse of Transvision, a proposed network of which channel 62 would have been the Los Angeles affiliate; the network opted to delay its launch.

In 1990, Sunland sold KSLD to Fouce Amusement Enterprises, for $3.575 million. Fouce changed the call letters to KRCA and began broadcasting Asian-language programming, as well as fare in Armenian and Persian. In 1997, KRCA was sold for $60 million to Liberman Broadcasting (which was renamed Estrella Media in February 2020, following a corporate reorganization of the company under private equity firm HPS Investment Partners, LLC). Liberman, which owned several Spanish-language radio stations in southern California, converted KRCA into a Spanish-language independent station.

In May 2005, KRCA was the subject of controversy due to billboards advertising its local newscasts, in which the place name "Los Angeles, CA" had the "CA" postal abbreviation crossed out, replaced with the word "MEXICO" in bold red and a picture of the El Ángel victory column on the Paseo de la Reforma superimposed onto a picture of the Los Angeles skyline. The billboard was deemed provocative by some, and protests erupted outside Liberman Broadcasting studios. California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger spoke on the popular John and Ken radio talk show on KFI requesting that the Libermans remove the signs. After negotiations between the station and Clear Channel Outdoor (a company that shared common ownership with KFI at the time), the owner of the billboards, the messages were replaced with a more generic advertisement.

News operation
KRCA presently broadcasts $7 1/2$ hours of locally produced newscasts each week (with $1 1/2$ hours each weekday) and no newscasts on weekends. On March 1, 2022, Estrella TV laid of most of its staff for KRCA's news operation outside a few remaining multimedia journalists, and all of its newscasts are produced and anchored by Canal 6 and Milenio TV personnel from Monterrey, Mexico; Canal 6/Milenio have also produced KWHY-TV's newscasts since 2017.

Analog-to-digital conversion
Both the analog and pre-transition allocations for KRCA were outside the core spectrum (channels 2–51) permitted for broadcasting use after the transition; as a result, the station was required to find an in-core channel from which to operate its digital signal post-transition. It originally elected to operate on UHF channel 45 after 2009, but, anticipating difficulty getting coordination from Mexico to use that channel, it instead requested and was granted the use of UHF channel 35.

KRCA shut down its analog signal, over UHF channel 62, on June 12, 2009, as part of the federally mandated transition from analog to digital television. The station's digital signal relocated from its pre-transition UHF channel 68 to channel 35 (formerly the pre-transition digital signal of KMEX-DT), using virtual channel 62.

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Path
How is a desire path different from a path?Autarch (talk) 14:37, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

 * Fro what I understand, a desire path is a subset of path where paths can be designed or naturally occurring. Desire paths are the latter. --Jason Yip (talk) 01:28, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

 * I think the term desire path refers to the erosion caused by human feet. Hence, an indication that it is the most desirable path to pedestrians. - tSR - Nth Man (talk) 06:00, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Desire lines in 1959
There are a number of desire line images as part of the 1959 Chicago Area Transportation Study, such as this one showing personal transit trips. It may be the first implementation of desire lines, developed only a year after Bachelard's book was published.Graphictopography (talk) 22:58, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Gaston Bachelard as the originator of the "desire path" terminology
I am able to find no discussion of "desire paths," "desire lines," "social trails" or "chemins du désir" in Gaston Bachelard's Poetics of Space and therefore have removed the Bachelard reference in the wiki. Although it is common on the internet to find description of the "desire path" concept attributed to Bachelard, it is remarkable to note that a page number reference is never given (neither was there a page number given in the footnote in the wiki). The origins of this term may be in Civil Engineering, particularly train infrastructure development, and date from the 1920s. The origins of the attribution to Bachelard's Poetics of Space are unclear, but certainly seem to be in error. ˜˜˜˜ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Donflan (talk • contribs) 18:17, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It is interesting that the old version of this page has now become a kind of circular source. I think this needs some more digging to see if there is a connection with BachelardBilllion (talk) 22:06, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree that the origins probably took place before Bachelard. In this 1949 Highway Research Board report, “desire paths” are mentioned in passing, as if they are standard industry jargon (top-left of page 364) 190.250.55.214 (talk) 15:17, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * This is a problem with secondary sources. It says what it says, but that doesn't mean that the original source says what it says it does. If Bechelard's work is in French, could it be difficult to find the reference because of translation issues? On the general point, the concept of desire paths is indeed very old, I would guess millennia, though that may be hard to show with citations. Paths, streets, roads, etc. simply weren't planned and paved. They were created by where people went. It is only this particular name that is relatively new, no matter who actually coined it. RoyLeban (talk) 06:49, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I added the word "apparently". In the 1949 report, it seems that the phrases "desire line" (10 occurrences) and "desire path" (1 occurrence) are used slightly differently. That's based on a cursory read, so I'm not sure. But that's enough for me to think we need (at leasta) "apparently" and it would be good to have another source, whether the term was coined (or perhaps adapted) by Bachelard or not. RoyLeban (talk) 22:07, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * A search of Google Books for "chemins du desir", limited to 1950 through 1960, turns up a couple of citations to Andre Breton's L'Amour Fou (1937). The quote they cite appears to be: "Il s'agit de ne pas, derrière soi, laisser s'embroussailler les chemins du désir."
 * https://www.google.com/search?q=%22chemins+du+desir%22&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A1950%2Ccd_max%3A1961&tbm=bks Caseyroberson (talk) 20:03, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

When was the idea (rather than the terminology)

 * When was that, 1950's ? Seems long after General Sir John Moore, (1761–1809)'s "“Wait some months and see where the men walk, then put the paths there.”" ? - Rod57 (talk) 11:15, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Nice article idea but needs improving
The article covers a nice idea but references are required. Too many weasel words like "it is known". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.211.85 (talk) 10:10, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Eisenhower and desire paths
Probably the best example of desire paths was when Eisenhower was President of Columbia University. They were building new campuses for the GI Bill and wanted to figure out sidewalks he suggested planting grass and waiting a while...

http://designforwalking.com/the-path-to-hell-is-paved-with-good-intentions/

"A third wrong-headed notion, often repeated, is that a designer can just put paths where people walk. This idea has had at least one impressive supporter. When Dwight D. Eisenhower was asked in the late 1940s as president of Columbia University where to put sidewalks, he suggested planting grass, waiting to see where beaten tracks appeared, and paving those routes. "

Variants of this story are reported in numerous websites and reports....

It may make a nice little reference.

--Patbahn (talk) 07:20, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Cow Path?
A term I've seen to describe these paths - albeit in the IT context of paving them - is "cow path." E.g.: http://blog.consected.com/2009/08/pave-cowpath-good-and-bad.html. Could/should Cow Path be added to the list of synonyms/redirects to this article? Chuntuk (talk) 09:18, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Nerd Path
The famous desire line at MIT in the '80's known as the Nerd Path deserves a mention? http://museum.mit.edu/nom150/entries/1357 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joe Wiki (talk • contribs) 10:39, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Finland park planners
The article states "In Finland, planners are known to visit their parks immediately after the first snowfall, when the existing paths are not visible" with a citation to a British urban planning study. The study in turn flatly makes the exact same assertion in the exact same words, but with no more authoritative source of its own. Is that sort of dead end considered an adequate citation on Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Czetie (talk • contribs) 20:07, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree, I'm pretty sure this is not standard practice and sounds something like some civil engineer somewhere in Finland tried once. It doesn't really sound like a very practical approach even. I'll add a tag to it. Snaip (talk) 11:10, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
 * per WP:RS, as it's an official government publication, why do you think it is not a reliable source? -- DeFacto (talk). 19:18, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Desire path or desire line?
I believe the correct technical term in US, UK and I think AUS, is desire line, and I'd never heard desire path used (though I am a building professional in the UK, so less likely to hear non-technical usage). But at some point, this article has been moved (or possibly merged) from desire line to desire path. Is that the phrase in general use in US? If so, fine. If not, perhaps it should be moved back. FWIW, a Google search gives >63,000 uses of the phrase "desire line" but only ~31,000 for "desire path". Restricting the search to books.google gives ~7,000 for the former and ~1,400 for the latter. We should not be ruled by Google searches, not least because the words might be used to mean something other than the subject of our article, but they do tend to suggest that the term desire line may be better known. Contrariwise, a slight majority of the What links here entries are for desire path, which is an argument for leaving it here. Enginear (talk) 23:42, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

It looks like it happened here: "08:47, 15 November 2008 Billlion moved Desire line to Desire path: This was the translation of the original term coined by Bachelard", for a reason cast into doubt elsewhere on this talk page. 114.198.50.244 (talk) 01:09, 15 January 2017 (UTC) HuwG
 * Google Ngrams has never heard of "desire path" but has heard of "desire line", so that's another data point. OTOH, the entities are paths rather than lines, so there's the plain English of it. Herostratus (talk) 19:31, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

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Not much to say here (I'm mostly just tired of seeing my name in red when I login)... I am a 24-year-old college graduate from Houston, Texas, a product of Spring Woods High School and Southwestern University. I've found myself as basically the de facto maintainer of both of those schools' pages at wikipedia and certainly welcoming any help or updates, as I am a wiki novice at best. I've dabbled in various Texas-related subjects (often related to politics and roadways) and offered some updates, but have mostly left it to the pros in the big things that I know less about than others. However, I've been known to be bored off my rocker and randomly revise my own things and proof some things that aren't specifically my thing.

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merge?
Anybody else think EV and CV are so close that they should be one article? Pdbailey 21:27, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I would second this, given that they're both attempts to quantify the welfare cost of a change in prices. The only difference between them is whether we use old (EV) or new (CV) prices Oragonof (talk) 14:09, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

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 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was to delete on the grounds of being a dictionary definition. -- ChrisO 21:53, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Oh snap
slangdef. --W(t) 06:33, 2005 May 28 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikipedia is not the Urban Dictionary. --Idont Havaname 07:09, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. — Phil Welch 07:10, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Do things like this get into Wiktionary? It's a pretty common phrase among blacks and people who want to act black nowadays. --  Barfooz  (talk)  08:09, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Does it occur as "snap!", just like the interjection "shit!"? If so, add the meaning of it to the Interjection section of snap, marking it as  .  Uncle G 20:59, 2005 May 28 (UTC)
 * Delete. Let's not turn wikipedia into Urban Dictionary, please. Linuxbeak | Desk 12:20, May 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, Delete - DavidWBrooks 13:10, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as nonencyclopedic.   — J I P | Talk 13:33, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikipedia isn't a collection of slang words. Sjakkalle 13:34, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
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Talk:Secessionist movements of Canada

There is a Newfoundland secessionist movement. While not too serious, it enjoyed quite a revival with the Atlantic Accord dispute in 2004 between Newfoundland & Labrador and Paul Martin. Much of the movement has strong support on the Avalon Peninsula, the region where St. John's is. Other than that, I'm not sure. It would be a good idea to include it on this page. Justin Bathurst.

 * I added a small part about the secessionist movement but I think it needs to be expanded greatly Canking 00:22, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

It may also be worth mentioning the partitioning of Quebec debate, i.e. the claim of some anglophone and First Nations (who held votes on the matter) residents of Quebec that some areas where they form the majority would be entitled to remain within Canada if Quebec seceded. -Nick

Louis Riel
I'm not sure the "Red River Rebellion" was secessionist since it's not clear that it was part of Canada at the time. Dan Carkner 16:02, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Just wondering
Well, this article deals with all kinds of independence movements by francophones and even anglophones who just feel Ottawa sucks. But aren't there any First Nation secession movements? Is there, for example, no group that seeks independence for Nunavut, or greater autonomy for the Crees? Steinbach (fka Caesarion) 16:15, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

People from Quebec are called...?
This article says Quebecians? Is that correct? Ehccheehcche (talk) 01:16, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Humorous movements
Listing the Rathnelly and Quebec "Kingdom" movements in a serious way harms the thesis of this article. They're jokes, publicity stunts, nothing serious about them. For this reason I put them into an "In popular culture" section. 23skidoo (talk) 20:07, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

The Collaspe of Canada?
I don;t have the book with me to do a proper citation, but in the book, it pretty much says the following statement on Nova Scotia:

In 1990, just before the failure of the Meech Lake Accord, then-premier John Buchanan predicted Nova Scotia would end up as part of the United States if the accord failed.[citation needed]

If anyone has the book in their posestion, and knows how to use wiki's cite system, please do so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.77.10.72 (talk) 04:52, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

first nation, metis or inuit
Are there first nation, metis or inuit secessionist movements in Canada?--Kaiyr (talk) 13:17, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

How about secession from the British Empire?
Were there movements for secession of Canada from the British empire while it was still a part of that? If so, shouldn't they be described here too? -- 78.50.189.155 (talk) 11:45, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Does Not include the numerous first-nations independence movements
This greatly glosses over the various First-Nations communities that seek independence and the various "land-back" movements. It also ignores various recent separatist movements that are in recent memory and still being desired by their communities, such as with the OKA Crisis and continued fight for independence, or the Anishinaabe nation, or the recent 2020 Canadian pipeline and railway protests for the independence of the Wetʼsuwetʼen nation. 10:07 a.m. Saturday, November 21, 2020 (UTC)

Response to first nation, metis or inuit
Yes, I can confirm as a first-nation myself, many first-nations communities have been desiring separatism, typical examples, in Canada would be the Haudanoshonee, (The Mohawk Warrior Society), The Anishinaabe Nation, Blackfoot, Cree, The Various West Coast Nations. Etc. Perhaps adding a new minor sub-category talking about how various "land back movements" could be argued to be seen as separatist movements. Sunday, November 22, 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.97.180.54 (talk)

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Stadium Seating Capacity
This article suggests that Olympic stadium has the largest seating capacity of any similar facility in Canada. This was once true, but not any more. In the late 1980's, the stadium was reconfigured to better suit the primary tenant, the Montreal Expos baseball club. Prior to this reconfiguration, the stadium would seat approximately 70,000 in fixed seats (it now seats approximately 56,000, as indicated in the main article). This current capacity puts Olympic stadium third in Canada, behind both B.C. Place and Commonwealth stadium (Edmonton) in terms of permanent seating capacity (both facilities seat approximately 60,000). Olympic stadium can still have temporary seating added for major events (such as the Grey Cup), bringing it's capacity to approximately 65,000. However, these seats cannot be counted as fixed or permanent seating. Posthocergopropterhoc 16:01, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

From the article:

Among its options for the future of the stadium, the Quebec government is known to be studying its demolition, a project that would cost a further $500 million and be very technically complex.

Why would it be so expensive to demolish the stadium? I mean, I know you have to protect the surrounding buildings, but $500 million? That seems insanely expensive. Funnyhat 06:35, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Welcome to la Belle Province...

 * Haha. Anyway I dont know if its true but It could be since theres a metro line running right underneath of it i dont think they could just drop the tower and let it crash down, maybe it could collapse the tunnel, also its a huge complex connected to the biodome with many animals in it, so maybe $500 million is possible.

A fourth replacement roof is being considered as of March 2006.

I do not know what that 4th replacement roof will look like, but I envision that roof as a retractable roof NOT like the first one. Jim856796 15:15, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

 * On the news (CFCF) they said it was going to be a permenant concrete roof, so they could hold events in the winter, but they needed to reinforce the tower to carry the extra load, but no one wants to pay for it.

On the page it says that they sold the FieldTurf system for $1 million. If they did that how are they going to have anymore sporting events? Was the field turf not required?

 * They use the really ugly old AstroTurf :(, as seen in the 2006 CFL playoffs. MartinToupin 16:17, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

 * More OIB glory... I understand they bought new turf for the 2007 FIFA U20 championship this spring... but didn't check with FIFA to make sure it was an approved surface. You know what's coming, right?  FIFA didn't approve the turf, so they had to buy replacement turf again just weeks before the tournament...  bang goes another million or so. Posthocergopropterhoc 16:01, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Trivia Section
The sourced article (dated oct 2005) says that the Olympic Stadium would be paid off by the end of June. This one (dated today, July 17 2006) says "Montreal will finally see relief from payments on the stadium in a couple of months". Anyone know an accurate date?

 * News reports in November of 2006 indicated that the stadium debt had finally been paid off by the city. Posthocergopropterhoc 16:01, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Kevlar roof
Why is the size of the roof be specified as a length? Shouldn't it be an area, therefore in feet squared or meters squared? 70.52.7.54 17:36, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Also related to the kevlar roof, the article states that the roof is made of "over 60,000 square feet (18,000 square metres) of kevlar". Obviously one of these numbers is incorrect. As the source of the information is not immediately obvious, I would suggest that 60,000 square feet is likely correct (meaning the correct metric measurement should be 5,575 square meters). I will make this change. --ZoQuo 20:39, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Tour de Montréal
I've searched wikipedia inside and out and found no article about the stadium's Tour de Montréal. The tower is barely mentioned in the Olympic Stadium article. The tallest inclined structure in the world more than deserves its own page...

I believe the height data shown for the Olympic Stadium's tower (175m) is incorrect... the official stats page of the tower list its "height above the ground" as 164m, not the 175m frequently quoted. My guess is that when the tower was designed, it was supposed to be 175m tall (which is why that number is frequently quoted), but there was a redesign before it's completion in 1987 which reduced it's height - the reason for that was to reduce its weight & cost, which was also helped by using steel construction for the top half instead of the concrete in the original design. Kilkenny71 (talk) 19:59, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Also, the "citation needed" in the History/Construction section, is that for the completion date, or for the "as originally designed" statement? A history of the Olympic Park, including various completion dates, is on the official website. From that page: "November 21, 1987 marked the official opening of the funicular and Observatory at the top of the Montréal Tower." Kilkenny71 (talk) 19:59, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Official name of stadium
Quite a number of anonymous edits have been recently made to the article changing the name of the stadium to "Le Stade Olympique", the French language spelling. The official name, from the time it was built, has always been the English name of "The Olympic Stadium". Furthermore it conflicts with the article's title of "Olympic Stadium (Montreal)", and I don't even need mention this is an English encyclopedia. Yes, granted there is a French way of spelling it, and among French speakers in this province this is how it is probably referred to by most, but to the international world (and English speakers in Quebec) it is referred to by its official English name, which should be reflected in this article. Please leave it as such. This anonymous name changing seems politically motivated.

The article on the Eiffel Tower doesn't call it "La tour d'eiffel" (other than a mention of how its pronounced in French). The Sun Life Building in Montreal isn't called "Bâtiment de la vie du soleil". Now in the case of say Blue Bonnets race track, the name was officially changed to Hippodrome de Montreal and so that is the article's title and how it's referred to in there.--Apple2gs 21:11, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

 * not to get into the politics of things, but examining ticket stubs going back to 2003 the stubs to events as of november 2004 start reffering to the stadium as "le stade au parc olymique" or "the stadium at olympic park". According to calls made to the olympic installations board at the time the answer was they were changing the name to open the door for naming rights to be sold, As far as I can tell the name right now is "the stadium at the olympic park" just my 2 cents soyonsexpositifs 12:09, 26 september 2007

 * See pages on Olympic stadiums in Munich and Rome. Even though this is the english Wiki, they still use the offical German and Italian languages. The official name of the stadium has been the French name Le Stade Olympic. It doesnt matter how it is referred to by English speakers either inside or outside Quebec. 152.7.200.137 17:08, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

 * User Apple2gs doesn't have the first idea and can't get a name right, not unlike Bens De Luxe Delicatessen & Restaurant. The Olympic Stadium is owned by the RIO which operates the Parc olympique (or Olympic Park.) So, it is correct to summize that the real name of the stadium is "le stade au parc olymique" or "the stadium at olympic park". This clearly shows up on the RIO website and literature ... but, in one annual report they do mention the "stade olympique." Now, bear in mind, since the PQ and the charter of the French language (Bill 101) that Quebec is not bilingual, certainly not English, but is UNILINGUAL French. So in terms of official names of property own by the Quebec Government there IS NO ENGLISH! I should know, I saw the first game in the Big 0 (Canada vs USSR soccer the day after the opening ceremony) the first football game (the Als beat the Riders) and the first concert (ELP, and then later Pink Floyd.) I washed all this down with a smoked meat/chopped liver combo and beer at Ben's. 216.254.162.221 23:23, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Go pick up any recently published newspaper, magazine or book, it is, and always has been referred to as "The Olympic Stadium" -- not "Le Stade au Parc Olymique" or even "Le Stade Olympic" (except in the French media, which is of course the correct translation). Still, it wouldn't surprise me if the Quebec government has officially renamed it in their continuing xenophobic effort to erratic all traces of the English language from the province (as you so clearly point out). We don't need to expand that mean spirited pettiness to the Internet, and I don't think the rest of the international community welcomes it either. That said, I and most others welcome a mention of the French spelling of the stadium (and a mention of its new name, if it has indeed been officially changed) but for the sake of recognition and the fact Wikipedia is an ENGLISH encyclopedia, the name "Olympic Stadium" needs to stand. Again, look no further than the Eiffel Tower article as an example. Though if you'd like, go ahead and change that name too and see what others have to say about it.--Apple2gs 01:43, 27

September 2007 (UTC)

As the stadium is owner by the Government of Quebec and located in the Province of Quebec, the Charter of the French Language law (Bill 101) means that the official name of the stadium is the french name. By law no English names are to use used in the province. In keeping with other Olympic stadia on the English wikipedia, they are all refered by the official name in a language other than english. See Estadio Olímpico Universitario, Stadio Olimpico, Estadi Olímpic Lluís Companys, Stade Olympique Yves-du-Manoir, Olympisch Stadion (Antwerp) and Olympisch Stadion (Amsterdam). 129.215.7.181 12:26, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I assume then you will be changing Centre Rogers to Rogers Centre shortly? - BillCJ 17:48, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Hmmm. It's nearly 3 weeks later, and Centre Rogers has not been moved to Rogers Centre as yet. Very interesting. Anyway, what else can we expect from the people who call Nova Scotia "Nouvelle-Écosse", when "Nova Scotia" is a Latin word that is closer to French than English! I don't hear of the Anglophones agitating to call it "New Scotland"! - BillCJ (talk) 00:38, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

 * The whole discussion is an irrelevant waste of time and energy. As you may or may not know, over the past 30 years the province (not nation!) of Quebec has sanctioned soft ethnic cleansing, with the goal of eliminating all traces of the English language and culture for petty reasons. Some of the laws here are so absurdly ridiculous and racist, people from elsewhere think you're kidding when you discuss what goes on here. They even have a government run Language Police, which go around hunting for offensive English signs and free uses of English in public or the workplace. It's like something out of Alice in Wonderland...or should I say Distinctland. Bottomline is some people believe that elimination of English in Quebec should extend onto the Internet. I say ignore them...they're just as invalid here as they are in the real world. Apple2gs (talk) 03:39, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Heh. Much biased, yes? Seriously, dude. If you have a beef against Quebec, Wikipedia isn't the place to express it. --Dez26 21:00, 7 April 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dez26 (talk • contribs)

 * The above arguments are starting to get off-topic. The argument has nothing to do with "ethnic cleansing" or other anti-English people. According to a democratically voted law in Canada, the official name of the stadium is the French name. 24.211.187.223 (talk) 02:43, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * According to the official website of the stadium, the city hall of Montreal the french name is native indeed. 2A01:CB01:104E:3C86:0:5E:ACE:DA01 (talk) 20:27, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * To avoid re-opening this can of worms, the official website for the Olympic Stadium, linked in this very article, uses the English naming (but for the record, the City of Montreal and its current mayor have publicly displayed very pro-nationalist and anti-English sentiment with their policies and actions, siding themselves with the xenophobic CAQ government. I would not consider them a valid or non-biased source, nor is the City Hall the official source for the stadium's naming regardless). To quote the from the very first line from the OFFICIAL Stadium website, the actual valid source:

 * "The Olympic Stadium is the largest covered amphitheatre in Québec..."

 * Following the common name guideline, when an official source uses two different languages (both are native), the ENGLISH name is used, period. As I stated years ago, the fact that it is also the common name used by local English speakers, the media and in written text and publications as "The Olympic Stadium", further strengthens that. I've seen "native name" plastered in many Quebec articles, an abuse and misuse of that label, particularly when it's not even true (example: Schwartz's Deli was given the so-called native name of "Charcuterie Hébraïque de Montréal" in its infobox). I will not tolerate local politics on Wikipedia, and will remove any case of it by following the rules and guidelines set here. The French naming in the opening of sentence is more than sufficient.--Apple2gs (talk) 23:24, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

From the horse's mouth
I find it interesting that the Govenment of Quebec's own website for the Olympic Park complex refers to the stadium as Olympic Stadium. I hope that settles the issue, at least as far as for those editors who will accept reliable sources. - BillCJ (talk) 04:42, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Australia Pavilion
An anon IP editor from the City of Montreal inserted a reference that Tallibert's design was based on the Australia Pavilion at Expo 70 in Osaka. While there is indeed a strong similarity I can find no evidence yet that there's anything more to the story, other than the City of Montreal staffer's intriguing original research. Does anyone know if there's any actual evidence showing that the architect was inspired by this? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:19, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The IP has posted at New contributors' help page. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:59, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I've restored this edit. Later, when I have time, I'll link to the amazing images.Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:13, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * added images (they're amazing) add proposed a slightly different wording, since we don't (as yet) have written proof that Roger saw and was inspired by this design. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:45, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi Shawn. I read this comment and I desire to share that this comment I saw it four years ago here. Maybe some user who post that comment in that time can help us to confirm it.Nekko09 (talk) 16:47, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

More included
This Parc Olympique includes more than just the Olympic Stadium (Montreal). Peter Horn 16:56, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Such as the Montreal Biodome Peter Horn 17:09, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. I had meant to remove the redirect from Parc Olympic to this article and create at least a stub for a new Olympic Park article. An Olympic Village article is also needed, as I believe it is a notable structure and design in its own right. Thanks for raising this, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:13, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * See Olympic Park, Montreal. Radagast (talk) 11:41, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

The tower
What exactly is in the tower? Could some content be added describing what it contains? -Rolypolyman (talk) 14:59, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Apparently not all that much. An observation deck at the top, two empty lounges (for weddings, parties, etc) and a 181 seat auditorium--the last two sit unused most of the time, they're rental spaces for the public. There's also a lobby (just empty space) on the ground floor with a gift shop that can also be rented for an event. Don't know if there's offices or anything else...seems like just something for tourists to visit. I'm betting much like the stadium itself, the tower sits empty most of the year.--Apple2gs (talk) 21:25, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Defunct or active?
This stadium has been a defunct athletic venue since after the 1976 Summer Olympics and it was converted to baseball and football arena.

Other Olympic venues were converted to sporting arenas:
 * Centennial Olympic Stadium - later demolished after the 1996 Summer Paralympics and the site is now called Turner Field for the baseball games. It is the home of Atlanta Braves.
 * Stadium Australia - converted to rugby arena after the post-2000 Games, the seating capacity was decreased from 110,000 to 80,000.

ApprenticeFan (talk) 11:16, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not only defunct as an olympic facility, it is now defunct as a sporting stadium too. It ceased as a baseball stadium in 2004, and ceased as a football stadium for the most part--only greycup hosted games are played in it now. The article actually mentions the Alouettes moving back the Molson stadium for all other games (not sure if that was made official yet). It's not even used for trade shows as much in the past because of problems with the roof in winter. It's another white elephant in Montreal, much like Mirabel airport. Both get little use and sit empty most of the year, and seen as hugely expensive mistakes.Apple2gs (talk) 23:55, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Stade Saputo
Hi.

Now that the former practice track and field site near the stadium has been replaced by Stade Saputo, should there be a reference, or at least a link, to the new stadium on the Olympic grounds?

Or, for that matter, should there be an entry detailing talk over whether or not the big O will be used by the Montréal Impact for February's home game in the CONCACAF Champions League quarter-finals - or should that wait until, or unless, the venue is confirmed? --Nerroth (talk) 03:56, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a place for news reports, so I do not see a pressing need to cover possible future events.
 * I think an article on Olympic Park covering its role in the Olympics, the venues located within the park, and a high-level view of the changes made to them (with links to the articles for each) would be a better place for a link to Saputo stadium. Isaac Lin (talk) 00:32, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

'76 Olympics photo?
Does anyone else feel that the article should include at least one photo taken during the 1976 Summer Olympic Games? 66.130.161.95 (talk) 01:46, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

 * Feelings don't matter, legality does. If you have or can find a Public domain image to add, and it's a decent image, then please do so. If you can't find one, then you'll know why the article doesn't have one as yet! - BillCJ (talk) 02:06, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

ESPN note
Note # 5 is dead. Do we have another? Or was this a hoax? Cs302b (talk) 05:36, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Inclined lift
Would this article discuss about the inclined lift too? Montemonte (talk) 20:52, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

The Wall
Did this stadium inspire the artwork of the stadium depicted inside the gatefold of The Wall by Pink Floyd?76.70.116.108 (talk) 21:26, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Tallest stadium
Any source saying that the Olympic Stadium is in fact the tallest stadium in the world? --S23678 (talk) 11:24, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Alouettes to abandon Olympic Stadium?
At present, the Montreal Alouettes football team are only part-time tenants of the Olympic Stadium, and as such the article states using it only for late season, playoff and greycup games.

However there is this section in the article: "However, it is widely accepted that the team's success has in fact been due to its decision to return to Molson Stadium. The team will instead renovate Percival Molson Stadium to increase the capacity, which may cause them to abandon Olympic Stadium entirely."

It should be noted the Percival Molson Stadium renovations are to be completed late next month (May 2010). Is there any news on whether they plan to completely and permanently move to Molson Stadium for ALL games? Are they no longer going to be tenants of the Olympic Stadium as of May 2010? If so, the article should be updated to reflect that. Well, if/when made official.-Apple2gs (talk) 06:12, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Notable events
One of the very first post-Olympic events held in the stadium saw Emerson, Lake & Palmer shoot their music video for "Fanfare for the Common Man." From what I remember of the video, the stadium was empty and possibly covered in snow. I believe this shoot took place very early in 1977 (read: pretty close to the middle of winter), in conjunction with the group beginning their world tour at the stadium. For non-fans, this was the tour where they played some early shows with an orchestra, but abandoned the idea mid-tour. They were playing stadiums in the first place because of the cost/logistics involved in toting around an orchestra with them. Anyway, I mostly remember watching the video and accompanying info/trivia on Night Flight, which probably quit airing music videos before a lot of you were born. Therefore, this information may be a bit ancient in terms of easily finding a source.RadioKAOS (talk)

Construction Delays
The article states that "the stadium was originally slated to be finished in 1972, but the grand opening was cancelled due to a construction workers strike." This is misleading. The chronology of events -- the relationship of cause and effect -- was nothing like what this suggests. There were two consecutive labour strikes: from November of 1974 into January of 1975, and from May of 1975 into October of 1975. These could not possibly have caused a 1972 grand opening to be cancelled. The resolution to award the design work to the French architect Roger Taillibert was not passed in council until April 24, 1973. Although technically "ground was broken" in the second quarter of 1973, this amounted to no more than hammering a few surveyors stakes into the ground. When I saw the site in July of 1973 it was still for the most part an undisturbed empty field. Photographs I took in November of 1975 show the cantilever consoles still under construction and nothing but daylight between them: no stands or roof elements yet in place. Grandmotherfrompeoria (talk) 01:08, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
 * The delays were before the 1972 opening, not the second set of delays you mentioned. The information should really be referenced to avoid confusion like this though. Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:29, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

I apologize for suggesting that the claim is false. There were delays acquiring the land from previous owners and clearing it of previous structures. Part of these delays were due to a strike by demolition workers. I should have been clearer about what I meant: only that the wording is misleading. Grandmotherfrompeoria (talk) 21:55, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

1978 World Junior Speed Skating Championships
Question: Was that (1978 World Junior Speed Skating Championships) held at this arena or nearby on a stadium with lesser capacity ? My references to this is these 3 Websites: www.SpeedSkatingStats.com, www.SpeedSkatingNews.info and Archived version dated 2005-March-1 from www.Skatebase.com. So would it be correct to use this article to link it as the stadium of this championship-article ? Regards Migrant (talk) 01:43, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Ping, does anyone know about this for clarifying for the article ? Regards Migrant (talk) 22:10, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

For posterity, here is a link to our coversation on Wikiproject Quebec regarding this matter. - Sweet Nightmares  17:39, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

 * Found a local newspaper (The Gazette) source from the event days online with this article Eric, Beth not Heiden in Junior speed skating which was in that paper Monday February 6, 1978. Ps. I also updated the link in the previos statement from SweetNightmares to the archived page, since the old link was a redirect. Regards Migrant (talk) 23:51, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Pre-season exhibition games
Regarding [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Olympic_Stadium_(Montreal)&diff=609667715&oldid=609663192 this edit]: personally I have no issue with it, but I appreciate those unfamiliar with the sport may benefit from the adjective "exhibition" to describe the series. My edit was simply an attempt to separate the two facts in question: when the games took place, and whether or not they were part of exhibition play. (For example, non-baseball fans might consider the Dodgers–Diamondbacks series in Australia to be pre-season games, in spite of their being part of the official schedule.) Can the interested editors please discuss this matter on this talk page, rather than continually revert each other? isaacl (talk) 13:17, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I think I am inclined to prefer a variant of 70.27's wording. I would change pre-season to spring training though: Ten years after the last Expos game at Olympic Stadium the Toronto Blue Jays played two spring training games against the New York Mets on March 28-29, 2014.  "Spring training" strongly implies that this series was not part of regular play.  But for added clarity, another potential phrasing could be Ten years after the last Expos game at Olympic Stadium the Toronto Blue Jays played two spring training games against the New York Mets. Played March 28-29, 2014, the games drew a combined attendance of 96,000 and concluded the pre-season schedule for both teams.

 * If possible, a sentence about the impact of the series on the Big O would help for historical context. I can't remember - did the Jays indicate an interest in coming back in future years? Resolute 13:29, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Regarding your second proposal, I do not favour it as it uses a more passive phrasing. Maybe something like Ten years after the last Expos game at Olympic Stadium, the Toronto Blue Jays and New York Mets concluded their 2014 spring training schedule with a two-game series at the stadium, drawing a combined total attendance of 96,000. I am also fine with your first proposal.
 * I don't recall what was said after the series; certainly before it, the Jays expressed interest in returning if attendance went well. It was an event promoted by Evenko, the Canadiens' event promotion company that promotes the Bell Centre events, so its level of interest (or another promotion company) is probably key, but with the robust attendance I imagine they would like to stage another series in Montreal. isaacl (talk) 13:47, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * That is a good alternative as well. Resolute 18:56, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

If there are no further comments, I will go ahead with Resolute's first suggestion, replacing "pre-season" with "spring training". isaacl (talk) 03:32, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm good with the change and agree with it (particularly the use of 'spring training' to convey these were not regular season games).--Apple2gs (talk) 17:54, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I have made the change. Thanks to everyone for their input! isaacl (talk) 14:48, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Why are we listing the results of soccer matches here?
This seems no less absurd than listing the result of every baseball or football game played. I'd be inclined to remove it as clutter. Any objections? Resolute 13:12, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

 * No objections here. We don't list the statistics for the Super Bowl games played at the stadiums they were played in, so I'm not sure why we list every soccer game at the stadium they were held in. I've seen this at many other stadium articles too. Perhaps a list article can be created if editors feel the info needs to be present in addition to the stats from the relevant Olympics and World Cup articles. All that needs to be listed here is a section on the Olympic and World Cup soccer events and any significant games that took place there (such as an upset or championship game), but not great detail about the games. That's not what this article is about; it's about the stadium, not every event ever held in the stadium. --JonRidinger (talk) 13:40, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
 * We shouldn't be listing them. Walter Görlitz (talk) 13:42, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree that it is beyond the scope of this article to list all soccer match results within it. Thanks for starting this discussion; I had been meaning to do so but had put it off. isaacl (talk) 16:15, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

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Speed skating at the arena
Why did you revert my adding of a speed skating external link ? With the comment : is this a reliable source? When there clearly have been a Junior World championship in speed skating there see above linked sources. I mean my added link tells more about the speed skating activity than just the snippets of text that is already included because it tells that there was also some activity more than just one season. And it also gives some numbers for speed skating track records at the stadium. Best regards Migrant (talk) 18:57, 8 March 2017 (UTC) added an internal link to text above since this text was moved away as a new thread from 1978 World Junior Speed Skating Championships. Migrant (talk) 23:29, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The revert seems to explain it: . Do you not understand the question I asked? Are you familiar with WP:RS? I would add, since you've given me the space to expand my concerns, Wikipedia:External links defines what is to go into an external links section. The current summary deals with this well:
 * Some acceptable links include those that contain further research that is accurate and on-topic, information that could not be added to the article for reasons such as copyright or amount of detail, or other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article for reasons unrelated to its accuracy.
 * So I would ask, is the source accurate? It definitely is on-topic as the events appear to have happened at the venue. Could the information about the events not have been added to the article somewhere with full prose? But ultimately, it doesn't look as though its an authoritative source and is instead user-generated or at least gathered in an ad hoc way. if it's a reliable source, add it to the body, not the EL section. Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:20, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The linked article was on-topic and it is a reliable source.
 * One of the persons behind the linked website SpeedSkatingNews.info are Ms. Melanie Symalla. And Ms. Symalla are for the time being one of few international speed skating referees.
 * The website itself was first an all german website by the german national speed skating association for results and speedskaters untill 2009 when it became the website with the most speed skating results around the internet from all the way back to mid-1700 and up to this day.
 * If I were to add a section of speed skating in the article where would it go and would it be apropriate to add a table with speed skating track records for both sexes with name and dates (www.SpeedSkatingStats.com with wikidata-property from the same database but for speed skaters, www.SpeedSkatingNews.info with wikidata-property from the same database but for speed skaters and Archived version dated 2005-March-1 from www.Skatebase.com) ? So what's not authorative/reliable about these websites then ? Best regards Migrant (talk) 23:29, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarifying. I'll assume it meets RS. I would suggest adding it as a reference to the speed skating entry already present rather than creating a new section. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:37, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Sex change (disambiguation)

Regarding "Sex change in humans"
It has occasionally been asked why the content on "Sex change in humans" is here at all, and it has been removed or severely shortened a few times, too. However, the term "sex change" is more than well-known; it even keeps appearing in newspapers and other media. It is therefore to be assumed that people who are rather uninformed about these matters would look up "sex change", and therefore, the article should contain this information. Also, several other articles reference this article specifically for an explanation of why "sex change" is an problematic term when applied to humans. Therefore, this content has to remain, unless somebody can come up with a really good reason to remove it. -- AlexR 06:35, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

Transfered
The following discussion has been transfered here from my talk page. Kelly Martin 07:25, May 28, 2005 (UTC)

Never suggested removing it however it contains opinion, irrelevant and off topic material. Anything which is not fact should not be included in an article. In addition the wording of that is convoluted and almost impossible to follow. It was condensed and not mis-edited.

Then read the wording of what's there with what I replaced it with and see which is clearer, factual, and easier to understand. Attempting to justify an off topic fact is just as off topic as that subject.
 * I did read the wording of what you wrote, and I felt it was inferior. There were several grammatical errors, and factual information from the previous edition was removed without obvious reason (you feel it's off topic, I suppose; I disagree).  Kelly Martin 06:51, May 28, 2005 (UTC)

I wrote: Sex Change is a descriptively inaccurate term often used by society for gender reassignment surgery. It is also interchangeably used for the medical procedures inter-sexed individuals undergo, or more often are subjected to as children.

Off topic removed Many people also see "sex change" as factually inaccurate. Sex in humans is usually determined by four factors:

Chromosomes Gonads (Ovaries and/or testicles) Hormone status Primary sex characteristics, sometimes also secondary sex characteristics Not all of these factors can be changed, however:

Chromosomes cannot be changed. Gonads can be removed, but not replaced Hormone status is easily changed Existing sex characteristics can to some extent be changed; existing ones mostly through surgery, non-existing ones can be induced to grow through hormones. For example: Changing a male genital anatomy into a good or even excellent female appearing and functioning one is complicated, but entirely possible; changing a female genital anatomy into an even reasonably male appearing one however is extremely complicated and not successful very often; function is always limited.

My paragraph covered the inaccuracy of the term. Discussing how sex in humans is determined is not germane to this article and is thus off topic.

As for bad grammer that is what edit is for not revert. You should not attempt to use this to justify your reversion of the page to one with much worse grammer and which is much harder to read.

Clown Fish
Why in sam hill is there a picture of a clown fish? let alone the caption doesnt explain its relevance to the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.173.16.232 (talk) 09:34, 25 February 2007 (UTC).

 * Agree! Very strange that that picture is there. Why not hermaphroditic earthworms whilst we are at it? LOL. Vote for removal and substitution of an image from a human biology textbook perhaps. Cheerio, from Peter, aka Vid2vid (talk) 04:04, 2 September 2019 (UTC).

No animals
I think the part with the animals should go to another article. A.Z. 04:25, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Defacement
Anyone care to block 90.190.170.246 from defacing ? --OPless (talk) 20:04, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Not really - there's not yet enough punitive value as all he's done is the usual harebrained test edit drive-by, crudely enough to be picked up by the bot, and little preventative value as he has no record of such things and has stopped for the moment. He's been warned, and returning to his deeds will drop the hammer. --Kiz o r  20:19, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * There's some activity from other anon IPs; the hammer will also be applied if these are connected. In other news, this edit has no formatting, can someone check if it's valid or in need of tweaking to integrate it into the article? --Kiz o r  20:19, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

 * WOW. Is that a 'thing,' High-Level Editors on Wikipedia blocking specific IP addresses? I was wondering the other day re Anon edits from IPs, graffiti, defacement, vandalism etc. I mean; What if it's a cyber cafe, library terminal, etc and someone else with a WHITE hat on attempts to edit Wikipedia in the future? Just thinking 'allowed.' ;-) Peace, from Peter, aka Vid2vid (talk) 03:56, 2 September 2019 (UTC).

Regarding "Sex Change in Humans" & Shrinkage of Male Genitalia
The two year period of living 'full time', commonly known as the real life test has absolutely nothing to do with male?! genitalia. Contrary to popular belief, shrinkage is actually a bad thing due to the fact that it gives surgeons less to work with. If significant 'shrinkage' has occured due to bilateral orchidectomy or natural size, often when it comes to reassignment surgery, surgeons must perform a more complicated procedure that takes considerably more recovery time.

Nevertheless, this sub-section should be genderless, so I have removed the reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.42.110.125 (talk) 23:55, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Section expert
I keep trying to put the section expert template in the Natural sex change in humans section, but I can't get it. Georgia guy (talk) 20:11, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Have you tried asking at Expert Sex Change? :P But seriously, I followed Cleanup to Template messages/Cleanup to . What did you mean by "can't get it"? --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 15:43, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I put in expert and a few variants, but none of them worked. Georgia guy (talk) 15:44, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

URL for reference #2 needs to be updated
The URL for Beckman Institute has expired but the article is still there on the site. The new url is: http://beckman.illinois.edu/news/2011/03/rhodesfishstory 75.93.185.181 (talk) 18:45, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Please re-word
This article says:

''Gender reassignment is usually preceded by a period of feminization or masculinization. This is accomplished through hormone replacement therapy, where, for those transitioning to female, estrogens and antiandrogens and sometimes progestogens are prescribed.''

"Transitioning to female" implies that trans women actually were men (as opposed to women in the wrong body) before their body was changed with surgery. Can we re-word it?? Georgia guy (talk) 17:50, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

 * They actually need to reword it the other way. There is no actual way for a human to voluntary change sexes.  Males can not become females by choice.  There are societal gender roles that they can assume and cosmetic procedures they can undergo, but nobody can willingly change sexes. The whole article needs to be brought in line with science.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.207.131.31 (talk) 13:22, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

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Capstan (nautical)

A capstan is a vertical-axled rotating machine developed for use on sailing ships to multiply the pulling force of seamen when hauling ropes, cables, and hawsers. The principle is similar to that of the windlass, which has a horizontal axle.

History
The word, connected with the Old French capestan or cabestan(t), from Old Provençal cabestan, from capestre "pulley cord," from Latin capistrum, -a halter, from capere, to take hold of, seems to have come into English (14th century) from Portuguese or Spanish shipmen at the time of the Crusades. Both device and word are considered Spanish inventions.

Early form
In its earliest form, the capstan consisted of a timber mounted vertically through a vessel's structure which was free to rotate. Levers, known as bars, were inserted through holes at the top of the timber and used to turn the capstan. A rope wrapped several turns around the drum was thus hauled upon. A rudimentary ratchet was provided to hold the tension. The ropes were always wound in a clockwise direction (seen from above).

Later form
Capstans evolved to consist of a wooden drum or barrel mounted on an iron axle. Two barrels on a common axle were used frequently to allow men on two decks to apply force to the bars. Later capstans were made entirely of iron, with gearing in the head providing a mechanical advantage when the bars were pushed counterclockwise. One form of capstan was connected by a shaft and gears to an anchor windlass on the deck below. On riverine vessels, the capstan was sometimes cranked by steam power.

Capstan winches were also important on sailing trawlers (e.g. Brixham trawlers) as a means for fetching in the nets after the trawl. When they became available, steam powered capstan winches offered a great saving in effort. These used a compact combined steam engine and boiler below decks that drove the winch from below via a shaft. Ruston, Proctor and Company at the UK 1883 Fisheries Exhibition marketed an engine, boiler, shafts and capstan designed specifically for this task.

Messenger
As ships and their anchors grew in size, the anchor cable or chain would be too big to go around the capstan. Also, a wet cable or chain would be difficult to manage. A messenger would then be used as an intermediate device. This was a continuous loop of cable or chain which would go around the capstan. The main anchor cable or chain would then be attached to the messenger for hauling using some temporary connection such as ropes called nippers. These would be attached and detached as the anchor was pulled up onto the ship; (weighed) thus allowing a continuous hoist of the anchor, without any need for stopping or surging.

Modern form
Modern capstans are powered electrically, hydraulically, pneumatically, or via an internal combustion engine. Typically, a gearbox is used which trades reduced speed, relative to the prime mover, for increased torque.

Similar machines

 * In yachting terminology, a winch functions on the same principle as a capstan. However, in industrial applications, the term "winch" generally implies a machine which stores the rope on a drum.
 * Most cassette players utilize a device called a capstan to draw the magnetic tape from the cassette across the tape head. It functions similarly to, and was likely named for, the nautical device.

Use on land
Hydraulically powered capstans were sometimes used in railway goods yards for shunting, or shifting railcars short distances. One example was Broad Street goods station in London. The yard was on a deck above some warehouses, and the deck was not strong enough to carry a locomotive, so ropes and capstans were used instead.

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AFL Rising Star

The AFL Rising Star is an Australian rules football award presented annually to the player adjudged the best young player in the Australian Football League (AFL) for the year. It was first presented in the 1993 season, and was won by Nathan Buckley, playing for the Brisbane Bears. The recipient of the AFL Rising Star has been awarded the Ron Evans Medal since 2007, named in honour of the former AFL Commission chairman following his death that year.

The award was sponsored by Norwich Union Australia from its inception in 1993 until 2000. The AFL then secured a six-year sponsorship deal with Ansett Australia in 2001 that included the Rising Star award; however, this agreement only lasted the one season following the collapse of Ansett in September 2001. National Australia Bank sponsored the award for two decades from 2002 to 2022, marking the longest commercial partnership in the award's history; they were not replaced by any sponsor for the 2023 edition. An equivalent award has existed in the AFL Women's league since its inception in 2017.

The clubs with the most AFL Rising Star awards are, and , with three awards won by players representing these teams. 's eight nominations in the 2012 season is the most any club has achieved in a season. The most recent recipient of the award is 's Harry Sheezel, winning in 2023.

Eligibility and nominations
A player is nominated for the award each round during the AFL season by a panel of experts. The nominee is usually chosen based on their performance in that particular round; however, for nominations closer to the end of the year, the player's performance over the whole season is taken into consideration. To be eligible for nomination, the player must be under the age of 21 at 1 January that year, and have played ten or fewer AFL games as of the start of the season. A player can only be nominated once per season; if a player is suspended during the season, he may be nominated, but will not be eligible to win the award. At the completion of the regular season, each member of the voting panel independently awards five votes, four votes, three votes, two votes and one vote to the nominated players they regard as the best to fifth-best during the season; the player with the highest total of votes wins the medal.

As the number of voting members varies between seasons, the maximum number of votes a player can poll is not consistent. There have been only four winners who have accumulated the maximum votes in their season: Jared Rivers (2004), Daniel Rich (2009), Dan Hannebery (2010) and Nick Daicos (2022).

It is possible for a player to be nominated in multiple seasons, as long as he still satisfies the age and experience criteria in each year. Sixteen players have been nominated twice for a Rising Star award:

 * Duncan Kellaway (1993 and 1994)
 * Craig Callaghan (1995 and 1996)
 * Michael Braun (1997 and 1998)
 * Luke Power (1998 and 1999)
 * Nathan Jones (2006 and 2007)

 * Mark LeCras (2006 and 2007)
 * Michael Hurley (2009 and 2010)
 * Jordan Gysberts (2010 and 2011)
 * Sam Blease (2011 and 2012)
 * Orazio Fantasia (2015 and 2016)

 * Alex Witherden (2017 and 2018)
 * Lachlan Sholl (2020 and 2021)
 * Mitch Georgiades (2020 and 2021)
 * Luke Jackson (2020 and 2021)
 * Tom Green (2020 and 2021)

 * Justin McInerney (2020 and 2021)
 * Jake Bowey (2021 and 2022)
 * George Wardlaw (2023 and 2024)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pataphysical situation

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was this article was speedy deleted on 04:06, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC) by Delirium (copyright infringement -- listed on VfD/copyvio over a week). Zzyzx11 (Talk) 16:39, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Pataphysical situation
Speedy deleted as patent nonsense, but recreated. VfD to placate those who don't believe patent nonsense is just cause for speedy deletion. — Phil Welch 06:38, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete It isn't about anything. Indeed nonsense.Tobycat 06:43, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Patent nonsense. Keep unless it's a copyvio (in which case Delete). I'd also like to point out that this article is listed on Unusual articles: "These articles are valuable contributions to the encyclopedia, ...". —Ashley Y 09:57, 2005 May 28 (UTC)
 * Keep this article about intentional patent nonsense. Better to start with an explanation than to jump right in though.... Kappa 17:56, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: why does it matter if the patent nonsense is intentional? As if the sundry vandals and trolls *aren't* intending to write patent nonsense? Wikipedia's patent nonsense policy doesn't have exceptions for postmodernism. Assuming the article is meaningful at least to those versed in "pataphysics", it is impossible for most people to edit and has an insoluble systematic bias. It's impossible to judge if the subject is notable or encyclopedic, if the language conforms to the neutral point of view, if the language is factual, and so forth. This is why we have different language Wikipedias, and given that pataphysical prose is "intended to be absurd and nonsensical" to most people fluent in English, then it's arguably not written in English at all. Prose not written in English doesn't belong on an English language Wikipedia unless it's translated into English. If, on the other hand, it's patent nonsense even to pataphysicists, it doesn't belong on any Wikipedia. The point should be made in the pataphysics article (if it isn't already) that nonsensical prose is a component thereof. — Phil Welch 23:11, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Note that this isn't an article about intentional patent nonsense. As it says in Talk:London Institute of Pataphysics this is a copy of an essay (Pataphysics: A Religion in the Making) written by Asger Jorn in Situationist International magazine, with a one-sentence disclaimer added at the top.  It was reverted as a copyright violation in London Institute of Pataphysics, but copied from there to this article by User:Harry Potter, who asserted that this text was not copyrighted, in the middle of a VFD debate in 2003. The article is available online, but the copyright for the whole site where it is found states that it is Copyleft 1996-2004. All materials on UbuWeb are being made available for noncommercial and educational use only. All rights belong to the author(s).  The prevention of commercial use makes this text GFDL-incompatible.  Copyvio. Uncle G 21:28, 2005 May 28 (UTC)
 * Now marked thusly. — Phil Welch 23:19, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Well played. -- Cyrius|✎ 07:04, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I might add that I never alleged that the article was "about" intentional patent nonsense. In fact, we have many articles about several surrealistic and other movements that engage in the creation of patent nonsense, including an article about Pataphysics itself. What is barred is actual patent nonsense, even if it's patent nonsense created in the style of a serious intellectual doctrine. The article under question qualifies. copyvio or not. Of course, the copyvio makes this largely a moot point. — Phil Welch 07:34, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete As the copyvio source notes, "Pataphysics: A Religion in the Making". Wikipedia is not a crystal ball.  When the religion is made and has a significant number of adherents, maybe then it will be time for an article.  --Xcali 01:28, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable, copyvio. Megan1967 04:12, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete copyright violation. JamesBurns 11:27, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Sigh.  I quite liked the article, and actually contributed to it, but if it's copyvio, it should go.  NoahB 15:26, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.


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Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy

Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy is a 2001 platform video game developed by Naughty Dog and published by Sony Computer Entertainment for the Sony PlayStation 2 on December 4, 2001, as the first game of the Jak and Daxter series. The game follows the protagonists, a young teenager named Jak, as he tries to help his friend Daxter after he is transformed into an "ottsel", a fictional hybrid of an otter and a weasel. With the help of Samos the Sage, a master of the mysterious energy called 'Eco' created by an ancient race known as the Precursors, the pair learn that they must save their world from the rogue sages Gol and Maia Acheron, who plan to flood the world with "Dark Eco", a mysterious substance which corrupts all it touches.

The game offers a large range of missions, collectibles and objectives often in the form of minigames which provide a variety of gameplay experiences, as well as puzzles and platforming stages which are completed by the player to proceed the story. The title is often credited as being one of the first games with 'no' loading screens, with players able to traverse from the starting location to the final battle, and all interconnected levels in-between, without breaking away from gameplay.

Development began in January 1999, following the fourth installment of Naughty Dog's Crash Bandicoot franchise for the PlayStation. Jak and Daxter received critical acclaim upon release, with most critics praising the game's variety. Many critics agreed that the game had some of the best-looking graphics at the time of its release. By 2002, the game had sold a total of over one million copies worldwide, and by 2007, it had sold two million in the United States alone.

In 2012, it was one of the remastered ports in the Jak and Daxter Collection for the PlayStation 3, and for the PlayStation Vita in 2013. It was released as a "PS2 Classic" port for the PlayStation 4 on 22 August 2017, which was also later made available to download on the PlayStation 5 through backwards compatibility.

Gameplay
Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy is a 3D platformer in which the objective is to gather items to progress through the levels. The player controls Jak, who has access to abilities such as double jumping, a rapid spinning kick, and glide punching. Injuries are accounted for by way of a life meter, which decreases whenever Jak is hit by enemies, falls from long distances, or makes contact with hazardous surfaces.

The Precursor Legacy offers several collectibles for the player to gather. The main objects are power cells, which are used to energize machinery to reach new levels. Power cells can be earned in many ways, such as fighting enemies, performing tasks for other characters, completing platforming challenges, and paying for them via Precursor orbs. Precursor orbs are egg-shaped collectables found scattered throughout the world, some in plain sight, and some hidden. Another collectible, scout flies, appear on every level. Collecting all seven scout flies in a level rewards the player with a power cell.

A large part of the gameplay revolves around eco, a type of colored mysterious energy that comes in six different forms. The player is able to utilize eco powers by either collecting small amounts of glowing eco particles or fully charging through eco vents. Green eco, the most common of the six types of eco, restores health. Blue eco increases Jak's speed; breaks nearby boxes (except strong boxes); attracts Precursor orbs, scout flies, and small clusters of blue and green eco towards him; and activates certain machinery. Red eco increases attack power, while yellow eco allows the player to shoot ranged bursts of energy through Jak's hands. Dark eco also exists in the game, but as an obstacle that damages Jak, rather than an item that is collected. Light eco is also used exclusively in the game's final boss battle.

The game contains three bosses whose defeat earns the player power cells or allows the player some method of progressing further in the game. However, not all bosses are mandatory. The first boss, the dark eco plant, is only defeated in order to gain a power cell and to remove hazardous spiked tentacles from the jungle area. The second boss, a cyborg Lurker named Klaww, must be defeated in order to enter the Mountain Pass. To do so, players must collect enough power cells to utilize a levitation device and unblock a path, allowing access to him. Once he is defeated, the areas beyond his lair are accessible. The final boss is an ancient giant robot, which has been restored to working order by the game's villains, Gol and Maia. Defeating the robot is the final task in the game; once it has been defeated, the end cutscene plays.

Setting
The game is set on a fictional planet incorporating fantasy elements, which consists of small and not very technologically advanced settlements, surrounded by varying environments and abandoned ruins. One major hub is Sandover Village, home of the two protagonists: Jak, a mute 15-year-old teenager, and his best friend, Daxter (Max Casella), a loudmouth who is transformed at the beginning of the game into a fictional hybrid of an otter and a weasel, called an "ottsel".

Eco is a type of energy which dominates the world and was created by an ancient race of beings known only as "Precursors", implied by Samos Hagai (Warren Burton) at the beginning to be the masters of the universe and creators of all life on the planet. The two boys live with Samos, the Sage of green eco, and father of Keira (Anna Garduño), who is implied to be Jak's love interest. She builds the flying Zoomer vehicle that Jak and Daxter use multiple times throughout their adventure.

The primary enemies of the game consist of beasts known as "Lurkers" led by the antagonists Gol Acheron, the Dark Sage (Dee Snider), and his sister, Maia (Jennifer Hagood), who have been turned evil by the effects of the dark eco they studied. Their goal is to open a giant silo full of dark eco and use it to shape the universe to their liking. Other characters are the Blue (John Di Crosta), Red (Sherman Howard), and Yellow (Jason Harris) Sages, all of whom are masters of the eco from which they take their name.

Story
Against Samos' warnings, Jak and Daxter make their way to the forbidden Misty Island. There, they see two unknown figures ordering the Lurkers to gather eco and Precursor artifacts. The duo, worried by what they are seeing, prepare to leave, but are soon discovered by a Lurker guard. Jak manages to kill it with an explosive device they found, but the resulting explosion sends Daxter into a pool of dark eco. He emerges transformed into an "ottsel" (a fictional hybrid of an otter and a weasel), but is otherwise unharmed. Returning to their home of Sandover Village, they seek help from Samos. Samos explains that only Gol Acheron, the Dark Sage, can reverse the transformation.

As Gol lives to the north, the boys look for a means of crossing the deadly Fire Canyon. Samos's beautiful daughter Keira, a skilled engineer, offers to let them use her Zoomer (essentially a hoverbike) in exchange for enough power cells to operate it. Jak and Daxter begin their training in a nearby island called Geyser Rock, where they collect a few cells. Then they return to Sandover Village and explore a neighboring jungle, a beach off the village's coast, and Misty Island (which is accessible via speedboat after helping a local fisherman). After collecting enough cells, the heroes make their way through the Fire Canyon to Rock Village, the home of the Blue Sage. To their horror, the village has been attacked by a massive Lurker known as Klaww, and the Blue Sage has vanished. With the path forward blocked by Klaww, the boys look for more cells and explore an abandoned underwater Precursor city, an elevated basin filled with Precursor technology, and a swamp across the village bay. Using the collected cells, Keira clears the path, allowing Jak and Daxter to defeat Klaww, cross the Mountain Pass, and make their way into the ancient Volcanic Crater where the Red Sage dwells.

With the Red Sage missing as well, Samos sends the boys to hunt for enough cells so Keira can upgrade the Zoomer's heat shield. At this time, the truth is revealed: The Blue, Red, and Yellow Sages have been abducted by Gol and his sister Maia (who were also the figures Jak and Daxter saw on Misty Island), who intend to harness their combined power to extract the dark eco in their possession and use it to remake the world. However, Samos warns that if they open the silos containing the vast stores of dark eco deep underground, the dark eco will twist and destroy everything it touches. Jak and Daxter continue to look for more cells, exploring a dark cave filled with Lurker spiders and a mountainous tundra by the volcano's summit.

Making their way through the lava tunnels leading to Gol and Maia's citadel, the boys run into Keira, who reveals that Samos has also been captured. With the four Sages now under their control, the Acheron siblings begin restoring their excavated automaton so that they can release the dark eco from its silo. After rescuing the Sages from captivity, Jak and Daxter intercept the machine and engage it in battle. However, they only manage to destroy its eco weapons. Realizing that a greater power is needed to defeat Gol and Maia, Samos and the Blue, Red, and Yellow Sages combine the four different types of eco into one, creating light eco. Daxter contemplates using the light eco to return himself to normal, but ultimately allows Jak to use it instead.

Unable to escape the cockpit of their destroyed machine, Gol and Maia plunge into the silo and are presumed dead. With the world saved, the group focuses its attention on unlocking the fabled Precursor Door, which can only open with the energy of 100 power cells. Once the door is opened, it reveals a large, mysterious object enveloped in a blinding light. The object itself is kept a mystery until the second game.

Development
Development on Jak and Daxter began in January 1999 as "Project Y". As the rest of the Naughty Dog team were working on Crash Team Racing, only two programmers were allocated to the project. The rest of the team began work on Jak as well after the release of the PlayStation 2; eventually 35 developers worked on the game. Because of the PS2's status as a new console, Naughty Dog felt they had to create a unique character for it. Before the main development of Jak and Daxter, Naughty Dog confirmed the idea with Sony Computer Entertainment, and after showing them a character they dubbed "Boxman" to demonstrate their animation engine, they came up with Jak and Daxter.

Jason Rubin stated in an interview with Play (US Magazine) that the 40 minutes of animation in the game required 6 full-time animators and 4 support animators. In some cases the animators came from outside of the video game industry from companies such as Disney and Nickelodeon. The game was in development for almost three years, and throughout this time, numerous changes were made to almost every aspect of the game, while the various engines used in the game were all tweaked to optimize their performance. The engine tweaks allowed Jak and Daxter to have no loading times or fogging and be able to display high-quality textures in a seamless, multi-level world.

Due to each area of the game being 3–6 million polygons, the 3D computer graphics application Maya would stop working even on cutting-edge PCs. To combat this issue, the team had to use references and proxies as Maya and other current tools available were not capable of handling the entire area all at once.

The main characters also went through changes. Originally, there was going to be a third main character that would develop as the game was played in a Tamagotchi style. Instead, Naughty Dog concentrated their efforts on two main characters in order to create the exact characters they wanted. In an interview, Naughty Dog stated: "The character inspiration was more Joe Madureira who did Battle Chasers, the comic book, than anything else…" The game was announced at E3 2001. After the release of The Precursor Legacy, Naughty Dog was prepared to create a sequel as long as the first did well enough to warrant it. After the game did go on to sell admirably, development of Jak II was begun shortly thereafter.

The voice-acting was recorded in the New York City-based Howard Schwartz Recording facility. The game's soundtrack was composed entirely by multi-instrumentalist Josh Mancell. The album was produced by Devo's singer Mark Mothersbaugh and was recorded at Mutato Muzika Studios.

Reception
Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy received "universal acclaim", according to review aggregator Metacritic. Douglass C. Perry, a member of IGN staff said, "…Jak and Daxter is a breath of fresh air, a funny, light-hearted, but no less epic action-adventure game all its own…" after reviewing the demo build for twelve hours. GameSpot gave a score of 8.8 out of 10, praising its tight execution and heavy action elements which "ensure that things never become dull," and continued, "Next to Rayman 2, Jak and Daxter is the best 3D platformer available for the PlayStation 2." Game Informer gave the game a high score of 9.25 out of 10, and also offered praise to its graphics and the absence of load times, saying: "On several occasions, I found myself staring in awe at the little details Naughty Dog so meticulously included." At the 2002 Game Developers Choice Awards, Daxter from Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy won the Original Game Character of the Year award. It was a runner-up for GameSpot annual "Best Platform Game" award among console games, which went to Conker's Bad Fur Day. During the 5th Annual Interactive Achievement Awards, the Academy of Interactive Arts & Sciences nominated Jak and Daxter for the "Console Action/Adventure" and "Game Design" awards.

After its release in late 2001, the game went on to sell over 1 million copies, promoting it to "Greatest Hits" and reducing the price. By July 2006, it had sold 1.7 million copies and earned $49 million in the United States, and had become the best-selling Jak and Daxter game in that country. Next Generation ranked it as the 19th highest-selling game launched for the PlayStation 2, Xbox, or GameCube between January 2000 and July 2006 in the United States. Combined sales of Jak and Daxter games reached 4 million units in the United States by July 2006. As of 2007, Jak and Daxter has sold almost 2 million copies (1.97 million) in the United States alone. Jak and Daxter received a "Gold Prize" in Japan for sales of over 500,000 units. The game is also the 17th best-selling game on the PlayStation 2.

Ports
In 2022, a group of fans reverse-engineered the game and released it for modern platforms; titled OpenGOAL.

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Talk:MPICH

MPICH and MPICH2 should be merged. MPICH2 evolved into MPICH 3.0 so the name MPICH2 is largely a historical artifact at this point.

thread safe?
So, is MPICH2 thread safe? Can I call send & recv from different threads? Google only knows that in 2005, this was not the case (it was THREAD_FUNNELLD) but now that its 2012... linas (talk) 01:23, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes. MPICH2 is thread-safe. You can run a simple test to confirm this.

changing the channel
It is not clear what is meant by the term 'channel' in the discussion of MPICH. I'm sure it has some technical meaning which could be elaborated on to the benefit of the article. Does it mean like a channel of distribution of MPICH or is it some other more technical reference? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.45.121.6 (talk) 14:35, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

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Linkin Park
Please read below. I should remember to you that:

 * 1) I'm not racist, and I report musical genres according to their styles in appearance, not judging by personal opinions;
 * 2) due to similar discussions, I could risk to be banned from here.

--Egr 16:40, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Now I wanna discuss with you seriously and without any personal attack:

 * 1) please read here
 * 2) though LP themselves claim to play alternative rock, even they could fail; you should know better than me that all of the Xero Sampler Tape tracks, 5 songs from Hybrid Theory EP, 7 songs from Hybrid Theory, 8 songs from Meteora and most of their collaborations/b-sides ("Dedicated", "Standing In The Middle", "It's Goin' Down", "QWERTY") are rapcore and/or hip hop
 * 3) songs like "One Step Closer", "Runaway", "Don't Stay" and "Numb" are maybe too obtrusive to be regarded as "alternative rock" (this definition can probably be valid only for "Breaking The Habit" and instrumental tracks)

--Egr 15:18, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Do you really think so? And then answer here again, please:

 * 1) what is alt rock in their music, maybe the influences from bands such as Aphex Twin or Depeche Mode?

 * 1) do you know seriously what is the difference between an emcee and a simple rap vocalist?

--Egr 13:15, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Also using electronic effects is typical of most other nu metal/rapcore bands. --Egr 15:27, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Have you misconcepted me as a retarded? I know much better than you that songs such as "Breaking The Habit", "Nobody's Listening", "Cure For The Itch", "Session" (and the rap-devoid singles, perhaps) aren't nu metal. And IMHO "rapcore" is much less redundant than nu metal. --Egr 17:33, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

 * to be trully honest LP don't really fall into one genre, each song sounds a little bit different, which is what i love about them - and thers really no point in placing them into genre's anyway - but if you had to, you could just make up a new one like.....rapcore metal???? lol, be creative.......--168.224.1.14 12:21, 4 April 2007 (UTC)Phill

Spamming Issues
I've talked it out with the user, he agreed to stop after I have him a final warning via. We worked out the issues, I'm fairly sure it will not happen again. If anything like that happens report again, report it to WP:AIV (for vandalism) or WP:ANI (for bending other WP Policies) Hope that helps :) --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk  04:26, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Bennington discrepancies
I've come across various sources that suggest different things about Bennington's children. ExpoSay claims that Jamie is ten, while ContactMusic claims he's four. On top of that, Celebwonder is claiming that his son his born to his second wife. Not that I'm doubting your claim, but where did you get your sources from? It seems like everyone is saying something different :p --  ►ShadowJester07  16:30, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Alright. Thanks for the help. --  ►ShadowJester07  19:48, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikimania in Atlanta!
Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 09:32, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Linkin Park
Linkin Park has received some recent heavy editing. If you have the time, would you please read through the article to make sure everything is OK. Thanks. --  Jreferee  (Talk) 16:02, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

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Talk:Shadrach

Untitled
On May 21, this article was nominated for deletion. The discussion can be found at Votes for deletion/Shadrach. The result was keep. — Xezbeth 06:45, May 28, 2005 (UTC)happy birthdAAY STANDS FOR OKAY

Shortened Form
If you search RootsWeb or any of the genealogical websites they all list examples of both "Shad" and "Shade" as being common shortened forms of Shadrach. It can also be spelled Shadrack. Emurray 01:15, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Length / relevance of article's "Biblical" section
The "Biblical" section in this article seems extremely long and mostly irrelevant for a disambiguation page. The majority of the content seems more suitable for a full article on "Shadrach" (the Biblical figure) but is out of place on a disambiguation page. For now, I have moved the shorter "People" and "Media" sections to the top of the article so that wiki users do not need to scan through the lengthy Biblical section before reaching these alternative "Shadrach" wiki article links (which is the main purpose of a disambiguation page I presume). Pugetbill 23:20, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

 * I agree. I've pared down this page quite considerably. I've removed the 'Bibilcal' section - the biblical figure is already addressed under 'People' - and I've removed all redlink entries and those entries which didn't seem to be associated with any specific article.  This is a disambiguation page - it is meant to disambiguate between similar articles.  It is not the place for substantive content, nor is it a general listing page for concepts which don't have Wikipedia articles.

 *  X damr  talk 00:26, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

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Talk:Running Spri, California

Just in case anyone ever wonders why I made this redirect: U.S. cities without articles links here, presumably due to some error in copying a list to list of cities in California. In any case, the link may still be live on external mirror, and so the redirect is worthwhile. Tuf-Kat 06:45, May 28, 2005 (UTC)

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