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Talk:Spoiler (media)

Citations Needed
"Because enjoyment of fiction depends a great deal upon the suspense of revealing plot details through standard narrative progression[citation needed], the prior revelation of how things will turn out can "spoil" the enjoyment that some consumers of the narrative would otherwise have experienced. Spoilers can be found in message boards, articles, reviews, commercials, and movie trailers.[citation needed]"

I swear this website is the poster child for empiricism run amok.

Doctor Who
I am removing the Doctor Who section. It is completely unnecessary and irrelevant to the article. It serves no other purpose than to advertise for the series and was likely put there by some fanboy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.133.178.225 (talk) 17:21, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Too much "any"
I feel like the word "any" is repeated more than strictly necessary in the first sentence of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:C440:20:1116:419E:815A:19D1:38A8 (talk) 01:55, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Citizen Kane Spoiler
Wasn't it Lucy who spoiled it for Linus?

The Sixth Sense
This should include how everyone spoiled that movie for me...I've never seen it but I know the ending...assholes... Subversive 06:07, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

FF7 Spoiler
A fairly recent issue of EGM mentioned Aeris's death and said that by now spoiler warnings are void. I guess because like whoever-wrote-this-article said, everyone knows by now. (And yet it still managed to surprise me. o.O)

Spoiler warnings
Do we really need a load of spoiler warnings all over this article? Honestly, spoilers are what this page is about. When we list spoilers for a collection of games and movies, these spoiler warnings feel pretty redundant, to say the least. It should be pretty d*mn obvious to each and everybody that a page that list spoilers will contain spoilers. /Magore 02:08, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I say we remove them and place an "advanced" spoiler warning, like the one at The Crying Game's wiki article. Calicore 03:05, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Tone of the article
Maybe it's just me, but it seems as if the language in this article could be brushed up a bit. For instance, in the introduction it takes as its example movies, which seems a bit limiting. I also agree with the poster below that all of the redundant spoiler warnings ought to be removed.

Aerodynamics
I have removed the line about there being different meanings of the word "spoiler" as this article is clearly about the word "spoiler" when used about the media and there is a completely different article for "spoilers" used on cars, found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoiler_%28automotive%29. --Stenun 07:59, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Origin of word?
When and where does this word come from? If anyone knows this should probably be included in this article. I was surprised to find that usage goes back to at least 1984. Check out this thread about the movie gremlins from 1984. Uselesswarrior 16:35, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know about this specific usage, but it's an old term for any situation that ruins the fun or the good effect of something. To give away the ending of a book, play or film "spoils" the fun. Vaguely similar to what your Mom probably told you once: don't eat candy at 5:00 in the afternoon, you'll "spoil" your supper. Baseball Bugs 00:12, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

 * The [|Online Etymological Dictionary] gives this:

c.1300, from O.Fr. espoillier "to strip, plunder," from L. spoliare "to strip of clothing, rob," from spolium "armor stripped from an enemy, booty;" originally "skin stripped from a killed animal," from PIE *spol-yo-, perhaps from base *spel- "to split, to break off" (cf. Gk. aspalon "skin, hide," spolas "flayed skin;" Lith. spaliai "shives of flax;" O.C.S. rasplatiti "to cleave, split;" M.L.G. spalden, O.H.G. spaltan "to split;" Skt. sphatayati "splits"). Sense of "to damage so as to render useless" is from 1563; that of "to over-indulge" (a child, etc.) is from 1648 (implied in spoiled). Intransitive sense of "to go bad" is from 1692. To be spoiling for (a fight, etc.) is from 1865, from notion that one will "spoil" if he doesn't get it. The noun meaning "goods captured in time of war" is from c.1300. Spoiler "one who ruins an opponent's chances" is from 1950. Spoil-sport attested from 1801.

Those could possibly be the origin, in that a spoiler strips the user of the enjoyment of the work. Any suggestions? - Redmess 17:57, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia
Somebody should mention at this article that Wikipedia is today world's biggest spoiler. Just check out any movie article.

Random
This seems a bit random "The Doctor Who double part episodes Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead from the 2008 series made use of the concept of spoilers." might be useful for further expansion and further discusion, but isolated by itself as it is, just seems odd. Jasonfward (talk) 14:54, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

 * So I came to the talk page to post about this as I have seen/heard it somewhere (but no idea where hence why I'm not editing the main page) claimed that River Song's appearance in Doctor Who seems to approximately coincide with a huge uptick in society's aversion to spoilers, the same source suggesting that it could be the case that it was a contributing factor. To be honest this probably wouldn't make much sense for 2008 as at that stage it was just a character that appeared in one two-parter - albeit a character that is implied to be extremely important to the Doctor in ways that were then unclear - however, since then the "spoilers" thing has been a recurring theme for this character who reappeared several times between 2010 and 2013 (with a one-off final appearance for Christmas 2015) and has been firmly established as, frankly, iconic. So in retrospect I do think inclusion of a small mention of this could be deserved if there is indeed a decent source for it (being totally honest, I can't remember if I read/heard it in an article on a respected website such as the Radio Times or just in some random YouTuber's video, so...) but in 2008 it would certainly have been very out of place. Anditres (talk) 12:05, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

On the Internet.
"The appearance of spoilers on an internet website is not considered a violation of terms and conditions by any ISP." Seriously? No one in their right mind, would consider this a violation of T&C's 98.28.68.59 (talk) 20:09, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia Spoilers
"...but if the posting of "spoiling" information was unavoidable, it be preceded by a warning ("SPOILER!"), or the spoiler itself has to be masked so that it can not be visible to any but those keen for details and not fazed at the thought of such potentially plot-revealing information."

But its being done everywhere on Wikipedia without a care in the world. Shouldn't it apply here as well? Shouldn't relevant sections carry a spoiler alert? IMDB does so responsibly.

Johnnoelbose (talk) 13:23, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

One would hope that someone would have enough common sense not to look up the plot of something they don't want spoiled. If you haven't read Half-Blood Prince yet, don't look it up, or at least skip to the part of the article you need to read (publication information, for example). 98.220.211.83 (talk) 00:11, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Articles could summarize in ways that do not give away the whole plot, especially for books that are often used for teaching children. Students that do not yet like to read can think they are getting away with something by reading Wikipedia summaries of books. For example, Percy Jackson & The Olympians is often recommended to young students with attention deficit or dyslexia, but if the students think, "It is easier to cheat and look it up on Wikipedia", they could miss out on all the fun and learning they would have gotten from reading a long series. OliveEverett (talk) 04:49, 28 July 2013 (UTC)OliveEverett

When I discovered Wikipedia in early 2007 I noticed there were spoiler alerts for plots. Although I have used Wikipedia regularly since then I have no recollection of when the spoiler warnings stopped. When I check the history of articles that had spoiler warnings I see red text where the warnings were suggesting that the warning templates were deleted. Does anyone know when the spoiler warnings on Wikipedia stopped? Tk420 (talk) 22:58, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Hardcore Pornography Spoilers
What is the proper etiquette to not spoiling the endings to pornographic films such as the ones found on brazzers.com or Two Girls One Cup? Don't most films end in a cumjizzshot to the face? Is this generally assumed or are spoiler alerts still needed? Calicore 02:51, 20 July 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.11.187.186 (talk)
 * Wikipedia guidelines call for not removing info simply because it is a spoiler or adding a disclaimer. I don't see any reason why porn should be any different.--64.229.167.20 (talk) 21:51, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Sporting Events?
The term is often used in regard to recorded sports events as well. Is there a graceful way to include this in the introduction? The way it currently reads repeatedly specifies this as relating to fiction.

Research
Dunno where the results of this experimental study were published, but it may be useful in the article. Basically says plot may be overrated, spoilers don't ruin a story, and knowing the ending of a story can make the experience more enjoyable. --82.170.113.123 (talk) 21:34, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

This study should 1 be followed up and 2 is in dire need of being mentioned here and its results known by a broader audience. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.2.139.55 (talk) 08:37, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Too many internets
The first section currently begins: "The term spoiler was introduced in the early days of the internet, on the internet, and is often associated with specialist internet sites". That is truly horrible wording and I've got no idea what the "on the internet" clause is supposed to mean nor what "specialist internet sites" are. Thryduulf (talk) 12:47, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Muhlenberg College

Updating Sources/Citations for Academic Rankings
Hi. The Washington Monthly Academic Rankings for 2022 have come out, and I have changed the 2021 ranking number to what is seen in 2022. However, when I try to make the edit to the 2022 source, I am unable to do it. It's not there. I am guessing this is some template that I can't figure out how to edit. If someone knows how to do this, please either make the source edit, and/or tell me what to do to make the edit. The new number is correct, but I don't know how to get there. Thanks! Asc85 (talk) 03:28, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Celtic reconstructionism

Long-term COI concern
This article was created in 2005 by who changed his user name to  in 2017. He and, who was until she changed her username in 2014 are the top 2 editors of this article. There are two mentions of Kathryn NicDhàna in the body of the article plus 5 works which she authored or co-authored cited in the article. There are 25 citations to those works. In addition there is an "interview" with Kathryn NicDhàna cited 4 times. In User:Kathryn NicDhàna's RfA here, she said At the time I began working on it, I was not mentioned in [this] article, and it had not occurred to me that I ever would be. But as the article expanded I wound up being briefly mentioned, and some of my work in the field is now cited in the sources. The COI has been discussed on the talk page (see archive) but Pigman ensured that no action was taken as a result.

There is now an AN thread which has highlighted significant WP:MEAT and WP:INVOLVED concerns regarding Pigman/Mark Ironie and Kathryn NicDhàna/CorbieVreccan tag teaming. Having looked at the history of this article, I've identified that every citation and every reference to Kathryn NicDhàna has been added by either Pigman/Mark Ironie or Kathryn NicDhàna/CorbieVreccan. Details are as follows (with a diff where the ref/citation was first added):

DeCausa (talk) 14:54, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Kathryn NicDhàna/CorbieVreccan first adds her name to the article here, on 25.7.2005
 * Kathryn NicDhàna/CorbieVreccan adds 2nd mention of her name on 28.12.2005
 * NicDhàna, Kathryn Price; Erynn Rowan Laurie, C. Lee Vermeers, Kym Lambert ní Dhoireann, et al. (2007) The CR FAQ — An Introduction to Celtic Reconstructionist Paganism. River House Publishing. ISBN 978-0-615-15800-6. This was first added by Pigman/Mark Ironie on 26.10.2007. (Earlier website versions were added by Kathryn NicDhàna/CorbieVreccan on 25.6.2005 and 18.10.2006)
 * added by Pigman/Mark Ironie 9.12.2006
 * Theatana, Kathryn [K.P. NicDhàna] (1992) "More on Names", Harvest, Southboro, MA, Vol. 12, No. 3, Imbolc 1992, pp. 11-12. added by Kathryn NicDhàna/CorbieVreccan28.12.2005
 * (Note: as referred to above, Theatana is a name used by NicDhàna) added by Kathryn NicDhàna/CorbieVreccan 9.3.2006
 * added by Pigman/Mark Ironie 27.10.2007

 * By the way, a lot of this looks WP:SELFPUB. Certainly River House seems to have only published the much cited CR FAQ. DeCausa (talk) 15:02, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Confirmed. It's a Lulu.com book. See the bottom of the publisher page where it says "Available from major online retailers or direct from: www.lulu.com/content/1038004 ". Skyerise (talk) 15:31, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * And I've now removed it and all citations to it, along with some material sourced entirely to it. Had to put in a few citation requests where it was more complicated. Skyerise (talk) 16:23, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Almost all of it is SELFPUB. The interview is a clear fringe group blog; New Page Books/The Career Press are decidedly not academic publishers, and New Page is most likely just FRINGE non-RS; paganachd.com is a group blog seemingly run by CorbieVreccan. The movement as a whole has been described by Pigman as Currently a minor religion, barely capable of sustaining a Wikipedia article and beloved only by a handful of scholarly wannabes without advanced degrees, which surely invalidates any claim of recognized subject-matter expertise. The interview in Harvest is the only item actually published by an independent org, but as it's entirely an interview it's primary and non-independent.Honestly, the rest of the sources on this page don't look much better. JoelleJay (talk) 22:45, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Note: there seems to be a similar problem at Celtic neopaganism. Skyerise (talk) 16:34, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

 * This was all disclosed from the very beginning, when I was editing under that name, and at our RfAs. We did the name changes because we were being stalked, which Skyerise knows. It was for safety reasons. All of this is in the history. - CorbieVreccan  ☊ ☼ 19:54, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * The sometimes-shared-IP has been on record with Arbcom since before our RfAs. - CorbieVreccan  ☊ ☼ 19:54, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Can't say I do. But my memory is not so great these days.... Skyerise (talk) 19:57, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * No, I don't think that was it. I got early COVID and have the long-COVID brain fog problem, which seems to have wiped out my memory of most Wikipedia drama anything earlier than the last few years. Sorry if I was supposed to know something... I just don't. Skyerise (talk) 20:12, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * CorbieVreccan, I've read the Talk page archive. Yes, it ultimately came out in the talk pages but you and Pigman faced years of opposition on the COI from different editors which, principally, Pigman, fought off. (And I've just noticed Lee Vermeers came in to help at one point.) It's interesting you mention your RfA. In 2009, Pigman makes a comment that all was disclosed in your RfA and that you did not add your name to the article. What you said in your RfA was At the time I began working on it, I was not mentioned in [this] article, and it had not occurred to me that I ever would be. But as the article expanded I wound up being briefly mentioned, and some of my work in the field is now cited in the sources.. But you did add your name, you did it a few weeks after Pigman created the article and 4 days after you started editing the article. DeCausa (talk) 20:31, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

COI resolved
I believe the COI is resolved so I removed the COI tag I added when this all started. No need to draw attention to the matter and if the article should survive the AfD, I have no problem with just deleting and restarting this talk page once the move discussion is archived. Skyerise (talk) 16:05, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I think two sources still remaining need further consideration:
 * The background to the publisher of the first source is explained in the talk page archive here. In consequence, it could be either considered COI or WP:SELFPUB. Either way not sure that source should be included. On the second one, that was added via a COI edit. The article still has 7 citations to it - it's WP:PRIMARY, being an interview with a self-claimed leading proponent of the subject matter of this article. I don't intend to substantively edit this article so I'm happy to leave it to you and as the (now) main editors of this article and others to decide what should happen with them. DeCausa (talk) 17:12, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * The background to the publisher of the first source is explained in the talk page archive here. In consequence, it could be either considered COI or WP:SELFPUB. Either way not sure that source should be included. On the second one, that was added via a COI edit. The article still has 7 citations to it - it's WP:PRIMARY, being an interview with a self-claimed leading proponent of the subject matter of this article. I don't intend to substantively edit this article so I'm happy to leave it to you and as the (now) main editors of this article and others to decide what should happen with them. DeCausa (talk) 17:12, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * The background to the publisher of the first source is explained in the talk page archive here. In consequence, it could be either considered COI or WP:SELFPUB. Either way not sure that source should be included. On the second one, that was added via a COI edit. The article still has 7 citations to it - it's WP:PRIMARY, being an interview with a self-claimed leading proponent of the subject matter of this article. I don't intend to substantively edit this article so I'm happy to leave it to you and as the (now) main editors of this article and others to decide what should happen with them. DeCausa (talk) 17:12, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

 * True enough. I'll wait to see if it still needs to be done when the AfD closes. Skyerise (talk) 17:14, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the ping and the detailed note, both. I am on my first coffee. It took a long time to make a first pass through the article and I had to go to bed; I intend to make further changes with more source work, including addition of a few more scholarly sources. I'll note those 2 existing sources for particular attention, but at least the first is useful for referencing terminology. Yngvadottir (talk) 21:27, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

 * ,, There seems to be a disagreement whether the CR FAQ should go in the Further Reading or not. let's discuss and agree here rather than debate via edit summaries. From my perspective, if Yngvadottir wants to add it, by definition it's no longer a COI issue. However, there remains the WP:SELFPUB issue - although we are usually a bit more lax on that for Further Reading purposes. Does it constitute a sufficient WP:PRIMARY source to warrant it? Over to you subject specialists! DeCausa (talk) 20:55, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, maybe in the external links section, but not the further reading. Skyerise (talk) 21:02, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

 * Thanks, and sorry for the dummy edit. I wanted to place the summary on the record. On the one hand, it's a useful source (though I would never consider adding material from my own site to Wikipedia, however informative). But the home page is bare and mostly serves (at the moment) as a landing page from which visitors will click on their only publication, the CR FAQ, and then hopefully buy the book.  Esowteric +  Talk  +  Breadcrumbs   21:06, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
 * That's true. Another issue is that small pagan sites can be BLP exposures, since such groups frequently get into they-said/we-said territory, so a direct link to the FAQ rather than the main page is preferable. It's one of the reasons for avoiding WP:SELFPUB websites in general. I wish the book had a proper publisher, as that would resolve that issue, but we can't promote a self-pub book. Skyerise (talk) 21:13, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

 * Noting that I have re-reinstated the CR FAQ (which I see Skyerise has re-removed); it's all over the internet and mentioned as part of the history by a source I have cited, so we should offer the reader a place to locate it for further information. At least 2 of the other 3 works in the cut back Further reading are now by practitioners, one or both affiliated at some level with the same group (I endeavored to dilute references to this group). I think Further reading as a book is the best way to list it, because, as Skyerise says in their edit summary, the online version is hosted on the group's site, and because it is held in some university libraries. Would a footnote to the book be preferable? That is what I would normally do with a publication mentioned by a cited source, but I considered Further reading gave less prominence and made clear this is a practitioners' publication. One advantage to listing the online version rather than the book is that it is then not a listing under authors. UPDATED: Skyerise, I hadn't even thought of External links, in fact I considered removing that section: it now lists something that so far as I can see from our article, leads to some frozen database? I still think Further reading suggests less scholarly authority than does a footnote (now that I have removed all the books on Celtic mythology and Celtic paganism from the section), and note that the article in that section is hosted at the same site or a similar one. Yngvadottir (talk) 21:14, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

 * Well, Curlie is useful when there are more than one small group. If we put one group's link in EL, then every other group wants to add their own, including probably some we wouldn't want added. Curlie is a good solution in that case, along with a NO MORE LINKS note. Skyerise (talk) 21:21, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

 * I've no strong feelings, either way, but I do note my own reticence and should probably in that case say: go ahead, and keep the links pruned from time to time.  Esowteric +  Talk  +  Breadcrumbs   21:26, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

 * I won't remove the FAQ from external links if it is added, though I also would not add it myself. I think keeping the Curlie link and adding NO MORE LINKS will maybe keep additional links from being added. Skyerise (talk) 21:37, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

 * As I said, I won't remove it if it is in external link. I WILL remove self-published sources from further reading, though. Skyerise (talk) 10:59, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

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José Antonio Mexía

José Antonio Mexía Hernández (c. 31 December 1800 – 3 May 1839) was a 19th-century Mexican general and politician. He served as secretary of the Legation of Mexico in Washington from about 1829 to 1831.

Early life
He was born about 1800 to Pedro Mexía and his wife Juana Josefa Hernández, but his birthplace is debated. According to Mexía himself, his birthplace was Xalapa, Veracruz. Some historians cite records that put his place of birth as Cuba. Although details of his early life are scant, he lost his father and brother sometime in the Mexican War of Independence and fled to the United States where he became fluent in the English language.

Career
By 1822, Mexía was back living in Mexico and working as an official interpreter for the Cherokee Nation, by appointment of Coahuila y Tejas president José Félix Trespalacios. Mexía became active in government service as Secretary of State for Tamaulipas and the Tuxpan customs collector. He spent two years as the grand secretary of the York Rite masons Grand Lodge of Mexico, an organization which some in Mexico viewed as having political undertones. Enlisting in the military, he quickly rose to the rank of brigadier general.

Mexía was originally a supporter of Antonio López de Santa Anna, who was elected President of Mexico on a Federalist platform. During Mexía's 1832 expedition, he traveled to Texas to quell the rebellion started by the Anahuac Disturbances. As a senator for the state of México, he participated in an 1834 uprising against President Santa Anna, who had changed his politics to centralism. Two months later, he was captured by centralist forces in Jalisco and sent into exile.

He traveled to New Orleans, Louisiana, where he encouraged American filibusters to invade Mexico, recruiting Anglo settlers under the guise of brokering land for them. On November 6, 1835, the schooner Mary Jane set sail for Tampico, Tamaulipas, in the Tampico Expedition. The Americans, realizing they had been tricked, did not support Mexía's plan of inciting another uprising against Santa Anna. Thirty-one men were taken as prisoners, but Mexía managed to escape to Texas. Santa Anna ordered the execution of the prisoners. Three died from illness.

In 1839, Mexía joined General José de Urrea's rebellion against Santa Anna and was defeated and captured at the Battle of Acajete. For his participation in the rebellion. Mexía was executed by firing squad on May 3, 1839.

Legacy
The town of Mexia, Texas, in Limestone County is part of multiple large land tracts granted to the Mexía family in 1833 by the government of Coahuila y Tejas. When the town was laid out in the 1870s, it was given the Mexía family name.

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Ballintubber

Ballintubber, officially Ballintober, is a village in County Mayo, Ireland, known for Ballintubber Abbey which was founded in 1216. The countryside of Ballintubber is set against the backdrop of the Partry Mountains.

History
The long history of Ballintubber dates back to pre-Christian times, when people came from the east, through Ballintubber, on the way to a druidic site now called Croagh Patrick. When Saint Patrick brought Christianity to the west of Ireland after 461 A.D., he founded a church at Ballintubber. The present Ballintubber Abbey was founded in 1216 by Cathal Crobhdearg, Chief of the Name of Clan O'Conor and King of Connacht. Church records for Ballintubber and Burriscarra parish commenced in 1839 and are held at the South Mayo Family Research Centre in Ballinrobe.

Notable people

 * Alan Dillon, politician
 * Cillian O'Connor, footballer
 * Diarmuid O'Connor, footballer
 * Seán na Sagart, priest hunter
 * Joseph McNally, De La Salle Brother

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Academic dress of the University of Bristol

The academic dress prescribed by the University of Bristol is a mixture of that prescribed by Cambridge and Oxford. Bristol has chosen, for graduates, to mainly specify Oxford-style gowns and Cambridge-style hoods. Unlike many British universities, the hood itself is to be "University red", lined with a specified colour. University red is defined to be Pantone 187. Bristol also specifies that undergraduates are to wear gowns "of the approved pattern" in certain circumstances, although the pattern itself is not specified. This is not too important since, in practice, undergraduates are only required to be gowned when graduating or at dinner as a member of Wills Hall.

As at most universities, when graduating, graduands wear the dress appropriate to the degree to which they are to be admitted. This appears to be a de facto rather than legislated practice since there is no specific provision in Statute, Ordinance or Regulation for how graduands should dress. Regulations prescribing academic dress refer specifically to "graduate members of the University" and thus exclude those who are in the process of graduating but have not yet graduated. This is a pedantic point, but in at least two British universities (Cambridge and Oxford), the rules are the other way around for this very reason (i.e. graduands wear their current degree, or undergraduate dress if they are not a graduate, with the hood of the new degree).

Bristol specifies four main types of dress: bachelor's, master's, doctor's undress and doctor's full dress. Within these groups, the dress is identical save for a few specific exceptions. Although academic caps are specified, by tradition they are never worn by graduands, except for honorary graduands. Bristol graduates taking part in Bristol graduation ceremonies as staff can and do wear the prescribed headgear.

Undergraduates

 * A black stuff gown of the approved pattern. Women may also wear a soft square cap of black cloth.

Bachelors

 * A black stuff gown of the Cambridge BA pattern.
 * Hood of the Cambridge pattern, in University red stuff or silk, lined with silk of a lighter shade of university red as far as the visible parts are concerned.
 * Square academic cap (mortarboard), covered with black cloth, the tassels of black silk. (Although specified in regulations, headwear is not actually worn, except in the case of honorary graduands.)

Exceptions

 * Gowns of Bachelors of Medicine may alternatively be made of silk.
 * Hoods of Bachelors of Medicine and Surgery lined throughout with the lighter shade of university red, the lining bound at the edge with white silk to a depth of 3/4inch.
 * Hoods of Bachelors of Laws as for Medicine and Surgery, but the lining bound with violet silk.
 * Hoods of Bachelors of Music lined throughout with lavender silk, the hood bound at the edge with lavender silk to a depth of 3/4inch.

Masters

 * Black stuff or silk gown of the Oxford M.A. pattern save that the sleeves shall be ended with rounded corners, and a slight concavity in the lower border without any nick in the side.
 * Hood of the Cambridge pattern, in University red silk, lined throughout with white silk.
 * Square academic cap (mortarboards), covered with black cloth, the tassels of black silk.

Undress

 * Black silk gown of the pattern prescribed for Masters, with a triangular area of scroll work in black braid above each armhole.
 * Gowns of Doctors of Philosophy and Education to be a black silk gown of the pattern prescribed for Masters.

Full dress

 * Scarlet cloth gown of the Oxford MD shape. The facings of the gown to be salmon-coloured to a width of three-and-a-half inches.
 * Hood of the Cambridge pattern, in University red silk, lined throughout with salmon-coloured silk.
 * A Doctor's bonnet of the Cambridge pattern (a flat broad-brimmed bonnet of black velvet with a narrow cord of gold at the junction of the crown and the brim).

 * Exceptions

 * Gowns of Doctors of Philosophy and Education to have facings in dark violet. In the sleeves, the cloth visible only for six or eight inches from the point of the shoulder downwards, the remainder of the sleeves being finished in or trimmed with dark violet silk.
 * Hood of the Cambridge pattern, in University red silk, lined throughout with dark violet silk.
 * Square academic cap (mortarboards), covered with black velvet, the tassels of black silk.

 * i.e. PhD and Ed.D. use violet rather than salmon colouring. The possible similarity between the junior Doctors in undress and Masters arises only rarely since undress is practically never used in Bristol (it appears at e.g. inaugural lectures given by new Professors). In fact, of course, the gowns are differentiated by being made of different materials.

Although the university does not refer to M.D., D.D.S. or Eng.D. as higher doctorates they are not included in the list that wears the gowns clearly intended for junior doctorates (those with violet). It is thus appropriate for them to use salmon facings and hood-linings leaving the PhD and Ed.D. as somewhat anomalous exceptions. In practice, M.D., D.D.S. and Eng.D. are not awarded very often and the other, higher, doctorates are reserved largely for honorary degrees so the anomaly is minor.

Officials

 * Chancellor: A gown of black-figured satin of the pattern and with the gold ornaments customary in Chancellors’ robes.
 * Pro-Chancellors: A gown of black silk of the same pattern as the undress Doctor's gown, but with the ornaments above the sleeves and the loop and button at the back worked in gold instead of black silk.
 * Vice-Chancellor: A full-sleeved gown of black figured satin, with the sleeves lined in University red, parted in front and looped with two loops of gold braid on each side.
 * Pro-Vice-Chancellor: A gown of the same shape as the Vice-Chancellor’s, but of black corded silk, looped and buttoned in gold similarly to the Vice-Chancellor's.
 * Registrar: A gown of black corded silk of the pattern of the Masters’ gown, but braided on the facings and over the armholes.

All Officers wear academic caps of the customary pattern covered with black velvet; the Chancellor's cap being distinguished by a gold tassel and gold braid binding, and the Vice-Chancellor's by gold braid binding.

Mortarboards
Students gaining Bachelor's and master's degrees from Bristol (apart from honorary graduates) do not wear mortarboards at graduation. According to an unverified legend, this is because at an early graduation ceremony the male graduands all threw their headgear either at the female graduands, or off the Clifton Suspension Bridge, by way of 'protest' at coeducation. Subsequently, mortarboards were not worn. This legend is told of a number of other universities and is almost certainly untrue, particularly given that University College Bristol was coeducational before the university proper even existed and that the Clifton suspension bridge is about 1.5 miles away (2.4 km).

As of 2022, the university has re-introduced mortarboards as part of the graduation dress, citing popular demand as the reason for doing so.


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Opinion on inclusion for notable alumni
I have tried to include 2016 grad Nelly Cheboi as a notable alumna given her recent win of the CNN Hero of the Year award for 2022 for her nonprofit work with founding TechLit Africa. User Magnolia677 has removed this inclusion arguing that Nelly is not a notable person as per Wikipedia's definition. I would argue that she is valid for inclusion under "Creative professionals" rule 4.c. -- Nelly's nonprofit work has won "significant critical attention" with the recent nomination and win at CNN's 2022 Hero of the Year event. As per the "Additional criteria" section, "Failure to meet these criteria is not conclusive proof that a subject should not be included; conversely, meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included." The threshold for inclusion as a notable alumna seems reasonable in my opinion. She is an alumna who has gone on to do nationally and internationally recognized work. Other thoughts? See articles here: https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/11/us/cnn-heroes-all-star-tribute-hero-of-the-year/index.html, here: https://www.ourquadcities.com/news/national-news/2016-augie-alum-wins-cnn-hero-of-the-year/, and here: https://www.wqad.com/video/news/local/augustana-alum-nelly-cheboi-wins-cnns-hero-of-the-year/526-0f341ac4-eae9-4e43-bc68-65029f7bb331. Apologies for any poor or improper formatting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.252.210.163 (talk) 20:28, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Nelly is also listed on Forbes 30 Under 30: https://www.forbes.com/30-under-30/2022/social-impact and her work was also covered by Business Insider for the recent CNN Hero win: https://africa.businessinsider.com/local/leaders/techlit-africa-founder-nelly-cheboi-crowned-cnn-hero-of-the-year/rgjjcds (LibraryViking) — Preceding undated comment added 19:38, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

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The Vanity Project

The Vanity Project is an album released as a side project by Steven Page, then of the band Barenaked Ladies (BNL). It is also the artist name under which the album was released. Its first two singles, "That's All, That's All" (in the US) and "Wilted Rose" (in Canada), were released in early May 2005; only the latter song had a music video, which was animated.

The album features songs written mostly with longtime collaborator Stephen Duffy (one track—"So. Cal"—was written solo). Some of the songs are older holdovers ("That's All, That's All" was a song cut from the 2000 BNL album Maroon). Other songs were written later specifically for the project. The album was released on June 21, 2005.

The lead vocals on the album were all provided by Page. Page also provided much of the album's instrumentation both through playing of instruments, and through programming computer-generated instruments. Duffy also played instruments on the record, as did several other guest performers.

History
Steven Page began collaborating with songwriter Stephen Duffy in the early 1990s, and their first co-written tracks appeared on the Barenaked Ladies' second release, Maybe You Should Drive. The two co-wrote a number of songs over the years, including several on each of the band's next two albums. On their fifth album Maroon, only one Duffy co-write was included (at least two others were cut). Starting with the following album, the band decided that it would be best to keep the writing duties amongst the band members. Page started The Vanity Project to allow himself to write with other writers outside of Barenaked Ladies, as well as to express some writing ideas that did not work within the band.

Page continued writing with Duffy and directed those songs, as well as song unused prior songs to his solo effort. The project's name resulted from a tape made for the project which was jokingly labeled "Vanity Project". The title was subsequently adopted seriously for the project. Page indicated, at the time of its release, a potential for subsequent albums in collaboration with other writers and artists, but as of his 2009 departure from Barenaked Ladies, there had been no indication of any work on a follow-up.

Live performance
Following its release, Page toured on his own in support of the album, performing the songs acoustically on guitar, mainly in music and book stores around the United States. He played both songs from The Vanity Project, and Barenaked Ladies songs. Since these promotional shows, there has been no subsequent reference by Page to his solo act as The Vanity Project, though he has played songs from the album at these shows.

In January 2007, Page put together a band for the Barenaked Ladies Ships and Dip Cruise to perform a concert of The Vanity Project music with him. The Vanity Projects, as he dubbed them, performed two shows in the Firebird Lounge of the Carnival Legend. The band included Steven Page (vocals, guitar), Jay Coyle (drums, vocals), Chandler Coyle (Bass) and Allan Fogul (guitar, vocals). The band performed with Page on each of the Ladies' subsequent cruises: in January 2008, two shows in the Carnival Victory's Adriatic Lounge on Ships and Dip III (with Craig Northey (guitar, vocals) and Murray Atkinson (guitar, vocals, keyboards) from the New Odds in place of Fogul); and in January 2009, one show on Ships and Dip V in the Spinnaker Lounge on the Norwegian Jewel (with Doug Elliot (bass), also of the Odds, in place of Chandler Coyle).

Track listing
Track 5, "That's All, That's All," was originally recorded with Barenaked Ladies in 2000 for Maroon.

Personnel
Additional personnel Production
 * Steven Page – Lead and backing vocals, acoustic and electric guitars, harmonica, piano, keyboards, programming
 * Stephen Duffy – Acoustic and electric guitars, bass guitar, drums, backing vocals
 * Kevin Hearn – Keyboards on 7
 * Matthew Page – Drums on 2, 6, and 11
 * Joan McGuiness – Vocals on 9
 * Carolyn Ricketts – Vocals on 9
 * Producers: Steven Page, Stephen Duffy
 * Recording: Steven Page, Paul Forgues
 * Additional Recording: Eric Pavlyak
 * Digital Editing: Paul Forgues
 * Mixing: Adam Kasper
 * Mix Assistance: Justin Armstrong
 * Mastering: Bob Ludwig
 * Package Design: Concrete Design Communications, Inc.
 * Illustrations: Leah Hayes
 * Management: Pierre Tremblay

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Talk:Academic dress of the University of Bristol

Photos
I can't find any photos online or among my recently graduated friends. Anybody got some? Splash 03:44, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

Commentary
The commentary sounds pedantic. It is, but is accurate nevertheless and academic dress is a naturally quirky thing. Splash 03:44, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

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Tarik Glenn

Tarik Glenn (born May 25, 1976) is an American former professional football player who was an offensive tackle for 10 seasons with the Indianapolis Colts of the National Football League (NFL). He played college football for the California Golden Bears and was selected by the Colts in the first round of the 1997 NFL draft. Glenn made three Pro Bowls and was a part of the Colts team that beat the Chicago Bears in Super Bowl XLI.

High school and college career
Glenn performed as two-way lineman at Bishop O'Dowd High School in Oakland, California, and later attended the University of California, Berkeley, where he was a four-year letterman and two-year starter. He started his career at defensive tackle before moving to offensive tackle in his junior year.

Professional career
Glenn was selected by the Indianapolis Colts in the first round (19th overall) of the 1997 NFL draft. He started all 16 games in seven of his 10 pro seasons, missing six games in 2003 with a knee injury. He made his first Pro Bowl appearance in the 2004 season, which wound up being the first of 3 consecutive Pro Bowls that he participated in. However, when the NFL told Glenn that he would also appear in the 2006 Pro Bowl, they later informed him that he did not receive enough votes, and that he would be an alternate. Glenn did end up participating in the 2006 Pro Bowl replacing the injured Willie Roaf. Tony Dungy, who generally backed the NFL, stated that he was disappointed with the way in which the NFL handled this particular situation.

On July 24, 2007, following winning Super Bowl XLI the season before, Glenn announced his retirement, saying he had lost his passion for football. Glenn was inducted into the Indianapolis Colts Ring of Honor at halftime of a Colts 2022 regular season game against the Washington Commanders.

Personal life
In August 2011, Glenn became President of D.R.E.A.M. Alive, Inc., an Indianapolis-based non-profit organization founded by Glenn and his wife, Maya.

Glenn completed his BA degree in Social Welfare from UC Berkeley in 1999. He pursued a Master of Business Administration in the Executive Education program at the Purdue University Krannert School of Management, and graduated in December 2012.

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Alzou (Ouysse)

The Alzou is a short river in the Lot département, southern France, a right tributary of the Ouysse. It is 31.4 km long. It flows through the towns of Gramat and Rocamadour, and joins the Ouysse, itself a left tributary of the Dordogne, downstream of Rocamadour. The valleys of both the Alzou and the Ouysse are deep limestone canyons.

The river once powered the watermill moulin du Saut, whose ruins can be visited on foot.

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Talk:Pig Destroyer

Powerviolence
PD sounds exactly like a powerviolence band rather than grindcore —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.108.22.178 (talk) 05:42, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Nope! Definatly a grindcore band.

You're off your rocker! No clumsy abrupt time changes, no slow chugging breakdowns, no cookie monster spazz vocals...this ain't powerviolence.
 * Not even close to powerviolence, in fact I dont even think "grindcore" itself is very accurate for albums like Prowler in the Yard, which sound more like metalcore-esque death metal albums than grindcore.

Intro
The most recent revision includes the following text: At a live recorded concert of Pig Destroyer, JR Hayes' microphone had broke, leaving him to scream the lyrics as loud as he could. The sound came out almost louder then actually using the microphone itself.

I'm not sure that really belongs in an encyclopedia entry, and it is certainly out of place in the intro. If noone objects, I'm going to revert back the previous version. Aboverepine 20:49, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Gravedancer video
I remember seeing this several times on one of the two major satellite music channels, so I'm not sure how accurate the "little airplay" comment is.

Especially considering the "Loathsome" video got plenty of spins on MTV2, more so than I'd ever expect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CrowleyHead (talk • contribs) 00:34, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

No kidding... The "Piss Angel" video was nominated for a Headbanger's Ball award in 2004, for god's sakes. I think the director of the "Loathsome" video just wanted to make sure people watched it.... in fact, the little added commentary at the end of that section gives it away.

Deathgrind/Grindcore
It's pretty obvious to me that PD are a grindcore band with little, if any, death influences, but there seems to be a bit of a revert war going on. Someone has cited a source that says 'grindcore' (however it also says 'black metal') so lets leave it like that. Metal Archives also have them listed as grindcore. The KZA (formerly MrHate) 07:35, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

→Categorizing bands is kinda silly, especially at this level of intertwinity (real word, trust me) between genres. They're definitely not just straight up grind in a Napalm Death sense, but I'm not sure the other influences

 * Agreed. Arguing about genres at this molecular level always reminds me of a scene in Airheads where the band all at once spout off 20 different ways to describe their sound.  Unfortunately, this is how you get a metal band and someone comes along and says "well, one song I could hear a bit of black metal, so they should be 'heavy metal with black influences" and someone else says "but they definitely sound like grindcore, so it should be 'grindcore with black metal influences'" and then "deathgrind with black influences" and it goes on and on for the sake of satisfying everyone's opinion. The KZA (formerly MrHate) 00:07, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * User-edited Web sites, such as Metal Archives, are not reliable sources. And allmusic does not have a "death metal" tag, only "death metal / black metal." 68.47.81.164 17:52, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Pig Destroyer is definitely NOT thrash metal. They are death metal/grindcore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.28.234 (talk) 18:07, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

It's fairly obvious Pig Destroyer is a grindcore band. There's very little in the way of death metal, no double bass, no alternate picking for much of their songs, and the vocals aren't growls.

STRONGLY disagree with your statements that there is no double bass or alternate picking. Especially on prowler in the yard. I agree with the vocals, but that is one of the things deathgrind shares with grindcore, bands like unseen terror and rotten sound —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.163.141.7 (talk) 00:15, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't understand why this band is under the classification of 'death metal'. I really hate to tear bands up and seperate the hell out of them through genrefication(real word?) but there's just now way they're 'death metal'. Grindcore for sure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.164.217.114 (talk) 05:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

 * "Deathgrind" is sourced. Check the reference in the infobox. Aryder779 (talk) 01:43, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

They cover so much ground and evolve so much from album to album that I think pretty much any classification would be fair game. I wouldn't call Towering Flesh a grindcore song, nor would I call Dark Satellites death metal. The fact remains that they clearly span both of these genres. They seem, however, to be generally leaning toward metal influences and away from crust with time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.192.245.253 (talk) 00:59, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

 * If that's true, then surely some reliable sources exist that can be used to support what you have said. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 17:59, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

The New Guy
Pretty sure this guy was in Triac, which is probably more signficant than HATEBEAK XD Went ahead and edited to reflect this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.125.175.160 (talk) 19:04, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm undoing that until it can be added reliably, not "pretty sure". MrMoustacheMM (talk) 20:14, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Origin
Is there any citation for the Richmond listing under origin? I've been seeing these guys in NOVA for the past 10 years, they write songs about Alexandria, and their myspace cites their location as "Northern Virginia". There's a world of difference between the two regions, and I think this band could only have come from an area where less than 25% of the population are actually functionally human. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.192.245.253 (talk) 01:03, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I was able to find this source: http://www.punknews.org/bands/pigdestroyer. Whether it's reliable or not I'm not 100% sure. It looks like a page with proper editorial oversight (ie. random people can't add information to it), but whether the information it gives is true or whether it was taken from WP in the first place, I can't say. If someone else confirms the reliability of this site, we can add it as a source, but until then, I'm not opposed to removing "Richmond" (however, it should not be replaced with another city unless sourced). MrMoustacheMM (talk) 18:08, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

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Janwillem van den Berg

Janwillem van den Berg (26 November 1920 in Akkrum – 18 October 1985 in Groningen) was a Dutch speech scientist and medical physicist who played a major role in establishing the myoelastic-aerodynamic theory of voice production. The most notable aspect of van den Berg's theory is its impact on modern speech science in providing a foundation for modern models of vocal fold function.

Van den Berg designed the first implantable pacemaker that could be switched to a higher beat rate for a higher level of activity. The first experiments for an R-top triggered pacemaker were done, and the design of electrodes to the heart was tested in animal experiments. This made Van den Berg known to the cardiologists of that time.

Literature

 * Van den Berg, J. (1958). Myoelastic-aerodynamic Theory of Voice production, Journal of Speech and Hearing Research 3(1): 227–244.
 * Titze, I. R. (2006). The Myoelastic Aerodynamic Theory of Phonation, Iowa City: National Center for Voice and Speech, 2006.

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User:ZockPuppet

I'm User:Zocky's unused alternate account. ZockPuppet 03:50, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I say so too. Zocky 03:51, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dye cmta

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was - deleted - SimonP 00:08, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)

Dye cmta
Like most memes, this one is almost completely unheard of in the mainstream world, its existance being known only by those extremely immersed in Internet culture. According to Google, "Your search - "Dye cmta" - did not match any documents." Chill Pill Bill 03:51, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete vanity michael 04:11, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete -- Barfooz  (talk)  04:47, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as nonnotable, noverifiable, vanity neologism. DreamGuy 04:58, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete 24.76.141.128 05:33, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete make it die. --Xcali 05:49, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Dye lete. -- BD2412 talk 18:57, 2005 Jun 2 (UTC)
 * "However, with continued usage, it may eventually find its way into the English language." Let me know when that happens. Till then. delete. — Phil Welch 00:04, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Pikmin (video game)

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I guess this talk page is new...

Hey what do you know, I'm the only major contributor!

SSBB
It is not yet known as of Wednesday, January 9th, if one of Pikmin and Olimar's special moves is to pluck a Pikmin from the ground. On a related topic, the character's SSBB name is Pikmin and Olimar, and not Captain Olimar. Thank you. Glotnot (talk) 02:27, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Odd
'The second step is in selecting the appropriate numbers and colors of Pikmin needed to complete the tasks, and then executing them.'

What does that mean?

It means that you first choose the Pikmin needed to accomplish the tasks, and then you excecute those tasks. - Zorio 21:17, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

It means firing squad. Poor pikmin129.139.1.68 (talk) 13:55, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Debug mode
Should a section or paragraph be dedicated to the debug mode that can be unlocked via action replay. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Atirage (talk • contribs)

 * You mean the code "D-Pad Up Displays Debug Info"? -- RattleMan 13:47, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh yeah I heard of the debug treat in Tips and Tricks

Treasure (Pikmin)
I proposed this article for deletion but the tag was taken down. I was wondering if anyone here can prove that this topic is article-worthy and, if so, to improve it. Otherwise I'll put it up for deletion. —  Ed Gl  23:15, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Feel free. I've appointed myself captain of Pikmin articles, and I don't want to keep this one free of cruft. I have my hands full enough with the articles we have, especially Enemies of Pikmin. I don't think this one's notable enough, though. The only reason I created the enemies of Pikmin article is because almost every week, someone would make another article on Bulborbs or Snavians or Snitchbugs, and each of these articles was of low quality and little content, so I unified them into a more list-like arrangement like we have now. However, to date, this is the only time someone has created an article on Pikmin treasures. Since I've had to revert the Enemies article about 100 times between when I created it and now, I would conclude that this info is in much less demand and is therefore not notable. Feel free to nominate it for deletion. However, please tell me if you do so, so I can monitor the process. If it's kept, I guess I'll have to add it to the list of Pikmin articles I have to watch. Thank you for the notice, however. RyanG e rbil10 (Drop on in!) 17:16, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Sure thing. Unfortunately, this guy is putting a lot of work into this article, and I would hate to see it go to waste. Stuff like this makes me less of a deletionist. :-) I'm not a gung-ho deletionist. Maybe I'll wait until another deletionist comes across this article. —  Ed Gl  15:49, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Silicon-based life?
In the article, it says how this planet can't be Earth because it has silicon-based life. But it doesn't explain how life is silicon-based and not carbon-based. Not everyone here is a scientist. I think it should be explained how they know it. --70.44.119.165 19:00, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

It is not impossible for silicon-based life to inhabit the Earth in a fantasy setting. Oddity- (talk) 01:29, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Merge
Olimar has nothing that separates him from the game, so there is no reason for an article. The other two are bloated with trivial information and game guide material. The basic information is pretty much already described in the two game articles, and any extra stuff (listing every minor enemy) can just be thrown out. TTN 13:05, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, being the guy who sourced these pages, the Olimar article does seem a bit unneeded. Most fictional works have a character list, WP:FICT, and I'd really rather not lose the Wildlife of Pikmin material, especially given how long it took to source. *Now that he thinks about it, are those valid sources?*

I do try to kick out game guide material when I see it, though. I've been away a while, so maybe some blatant stuff has made it in... --Kirby-oh 16:24, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Ooh... That's not good. I'll wait a bit, I think, for a decision on merging before I go fiddling with the article. That does need an overhaul. Large cuts can certainly be made, merging can certainly be done, but I just don't want all of it removed. There is value in there. --Kirby-oh 16:33, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

 * The only way wildlife can possibly exist as an article is to have various paragraphs describing them as a whole. There would be no single mentions at all, and it would require development and reception info. That is unlikely for it, so it is better suited as a subsection in the game articles. You can always transwiki the content to one of the various video game or Nintendo wiki's if you want to keep it intact. TTN 17:58, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

If these articles are merged/redirected, wouldn't it make much more sense for them to be merged/redirected with the series article not the first game article? SNS 02:10, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Ah, having done some reading around, I recognize you now. *Copy and Paste to Word* Just so it's not lost for good. The Pikmin Wikia can use it quite well... Ultimately, I fail to see how this is all that much different than your creation of Mario characters. It seems higher quality, at any rate. There's fluff that can be cut, certainly. I'd better enlist the "Top Grub-Dog." He'll need consulting. I trust him to know what to do, even if I don't, you see. Kirby-oh 05:24, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

 * TTN, you have to merge everything even HERE? Jeezus. General Banzai 06:15, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I'd have to agree that it's not prudent to merge all of the pages. I could see making a case for merging the Captain Olimar article, as it seems that without his involvement in other video game titles, the article will not see much in the way of enlargement. As for the wildlife article, I don't think it makes sense to merge it into the Pikmin series article, especially because even without information that could be called "game-guide" in nature, the list is rather lengthy and would dominate the article. As it stands, we have an article bloated with material in violation of WP:NOT a game guide, and that is bad. When it is removed, we will have an article that contains a rather lengthier description of enemies from the Pikmin series of video games, which I can source much more accurately and thoroughly when I dig my Pikmin game guide out from one of the dusty boxes in my garage. Give me a week or so to fix up the article, remove gamecruft, and add some more concrete sources, and we can continue the discussion from there. I must admit, I used to patrol the Wildlife of Pikmin article quite regularly for cruft, and its current state is quite alarming. Also, I must admit I am flattered to be called the "Top Grub-Dog." :) RyanGerbil10 (C-Town) 06:30, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Oh, by the way, I think Olimar meets the notability guidelines for his own article, but as it's late y'all will have to wait until I get home from work tomorrow. RyanGerbil10 (C-Town) 06:48, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I'll help out with the chopping, I've been away a while as well, and didn't see it. I just finished all my other spare time things (NOAlympics, and Icon Contest at NSider, so I've got some time to work on this, it seems.

Those sources were what I could dig up, to at least give it something. Other Pikmin pages had real sources I had access to. See: Pikmin (species) These ones are pretty bad. I do have the four guide in one as a source... (First four GCN games; Pikmin, Luigi's Mansion, Waverace, and SSBM) It lacks enemy info for the most part, but I know there's some.... --Kirby-oh 16:39, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I have begun adding more extrensive sourcing to the Wildlife of Pikmin article, as well as giving the text a well-needed trim and edit. It will take me a few days to finish, as I am in the process of moving and have little time to devote to Wikipedia at the moment. However, when I have finished this work, the article will have a near-professional quality text and near 100 citations. I understand that the number of citations and quality of text are not prerequisites for the inclusion of an article, but I think an article with such a large amount of text and citations would be impractical to merge. Therefore I propose that unless there are any objections, I will remove the merge tag from the Wildlife of Pikmin article. If there are objections, we can continue to discuss the appropriate course of action here. RyanGerbil10 (C-Town) 03:12, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I certainly don't mind the removal of the Merge tag, and TTN is busy with TV shows right now... --Kirby-oh 19:50, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Yeah, remove the merge. The only one who's actually for it is TTN, and he's kinda left this area right now... Also, IMO, the Wildlife of Pikmin article is pretty good now. General Banzai 22:27, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Still, I wouldn't drop it entirely. It has not been agreed on whether Captain Olimar should be merged. That, I'm not sure of. -Kirby-oh 00:02, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I believe that the merge should be dropped, completely! You should know that there are things that actually deserve their own articles (I sadly failed with the Skulltula, however). At least i think so. I'm not saying that everything needs an article, but I'm pissed off that some of the Naruto and Bleach Characters lost their own articles! That was unfair on them. That is why I don't want the articles about some of the things about the Pikmin Games (Wildlife, Olimar, the Pikmin games, the Pikmin themselves, and anything else) merged. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.45.136.21 (talk) 04:17, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

The real issue here is why TTN seemingly gets sustainance from making Wikipedia a more limited and less accessible place. - The Norse 23:52, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Lemmings?
Has this game 'officially' been compared to a 3D version of the Lemmings (game)? I've never played Pikmin, myself, but the description of it sounds pretty exact. -- Is this fact ...? 09:53, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

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European Sales?
If the game sold 1.18 million copies, and the Japanese and American copies add somewhere up to 1.18 million, then what on earth did it sell in Europe? 173.70.193.118 (talk) 03:03, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Earth?
Why is it assumed that the planet on which the game is set is Earth? All I can see in the article that suggests this is that the planet has an oxygen-rich atmosphere. The case against: well, for a start, pikmin, and that weird red spotty thing with a big mouth that is in the picture, remain undiscovered. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.20.177.224 (talk) 09:27, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * While I'm not here to provide evidence at this moment, I would bet that there are trillions upon trillions of insect species that we have yet to discover in this world. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk)  (contributions) 10:00, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

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Nintendo interview on Pikmin's origins
The first part of a Nintendo "Ask The Developer" interview on Pikmin 4 covers the first game's origins. Here is the link. 46.59.110.154 (talk) 04:31, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

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Fort Crown Point

Fort Crown Point was built by the combined efforts of both British and provincial troops (from New York and the New England Colonies) in North America in 1759 at a narrows on Lake Champlain on what later became the border between New York and Vermont. Erected to secure the region against the French, the fort is in upstate New York near the town of Crown Point and was the largest earthen fortress built in the United States. The fort's ruins, a National Historic Landmark, are now administered as part of Crown Point State Historic Site.

History
The French built a fortress at Crown Point in the 1730s with 12 ft thick limestone walls named Fort Saint-Frédéric. British forces targeted it twice during the French and Indian War before the French destroyed it in the summer of 1759.

The Crown Point fort was constructed by the British army under the command of Sir Jeffery Amherst following the capture of Carillon, a French fort to the south (which he renamed Ticonderoga) and the destruction of Fort St. Frédéric. Amherst used the construction of the fort as a means of keeping his men working through the winter of 1759 after pushing the French into modern Canada. Israel Putnam, who would later become a major general in the American Revolution, supervised much of the construction. According to archaeologist David R. Starbuck, Crown Point was "the greatest British military installation ever raised in North America."

The fort was never directly assaulted. Mostly built after the threat of French invasion had ended, it was used largely for staging rather than as a position in its own right. On April 21, 1773, a chimney fire broke out in the soldier's barracks. It quickly spread, burning for days. In May 1774, British military engineer John Montresor described the fort (post fire) with the following words: "the conflagration of the late fort has rendered it an amazing useless mass of earth only". Montresor proposed expanding and improving one of the outworks rather than attempting to repair the main fort.

After the French and Indian War, the British left a skeletal force at the fort. They quickly yielded to Capt. Seth Warner and 100 Green Mountain Boys, a Patriot American militia, on May 12, 1775 in the battle of Crown Point at the start of the Revolutionary War. The Americans captured 111 cannons from the British at Crown Point, and transported 29 to Boston for the defense of Boston Harbor.

The fort was used as a staging ground by Benedict Arnold during the Revolution for his navy on Lake Champlain. After the destruction of that navy in 1776 during the Battle of Valcour Island, the fort was abandoned to the British in 1777 after the failure of the patriot Invasion of Canada. In 1780 the British abandoned the fort and, following their success in the Revolution, the United States had no need for it, so left it to deteriorate.

The large earthen walls of the Fort are still visible today in the 21st century. The fire of April 1773 had entirely destroyed the log and earth fortress. The stone ruins of two barracks buildings at the site are being preserved.

The fort was declared a National Historic Landmark in 1968.

Visits by Founding Fathers

 * Benjamin Franklin, traveling to Canada, seeking an alliance against the British
 * George Washington, July 21, 1783, the farthest north he ever traveled
 * Future Presidents Thomas Jefferson and James Madison in 1791

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Star Trek: New Voyages

Star Trek: New Voyages, known from 2008 until 2015 as Star Trek: Phase II, is a fan-created science fiction webseries set in the fictional Star Trek universe. The series was designed as a continuation of the original Star Trek (aka ST:TOS or just TOS), beginning in the fifth and final year of the starship Enterprise's "five-year mission." The first episode was released in January 2004, with new episodes released at a rate of about one per year. Production on new episodes halted in June 2016 following the release of new fan film guidelines by CBS/Paramount after they sued the makers of Star Trek: Axanar, with three episodes in post-production left unreleased. The sets constructed for New Voyages were licensed as a 'Studio Set Tour' beginning in July 2016.

The series was the first such show with extensive standing sets, and that it has attracted the talents of a number of professional writers and actors associated with official Star Trek productions, including George Takei reprising his role as Sulu in "World Enough and Time", and Walter Koenig as Chekov in "To Serve All My Days". Eugene Roddenberry Jr., the son of Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry, served as consulting producer.

The show's episode "World Enough and Time" was nominated for the Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form in 2008, alongside episodes of Doctor Who, Torchwood, and Battlestar Galactica, but lost to the Doctor Who episode "Blink."

History
Star Trek: New Voyages was created by James Cawley and Jack Marshall in April 2003. Jack Marshall came aboard as a producer with the idea to market the series on the internet. The first episode, "Come What May", debuted on the internet in January 2004. The first episodes were filmed on new sets at a long-shuttered car dealership in Port Henry, New York, but production eventually moved to a former Family Dollar store at 112 Montcalm St. in downtown Ticonderoga, New York. This facility is currently open to the public for tours and is officially licensed by CBS. Tour information is available at www.startrektour.com

For a five-episode run beginning with "Blood and Fire" in December 2008 and ending with "Kitumba" in December 2013 the series title was changed to Star Trek: Phase II before reverting to New Voyages.

New Voyages creator James Cawley himself portrayed Captain Kirk in the first nine episodes before turning the role over to Brian Gross, choosing to assume a more behind-the-scenes role. Jack Marshall would go on to work on the Battlestar Galactica reboot in 2006.

Episodes
Between January 2004 and May 2016 some 11 full-length episodes and a number of short-form "vignettes" were released (see linked article). Three episodes were scripted by professional Star Trek writers: "To Serve All My Days" by D. C. Fontana; "World Enough and Time" by Marc Scott Zicree; and the two-part "Blood and Fire" by David Gerrold. Two other episodes were based on unfilmed stories for the unproduced 1978 Star Trek Phase II TV series: "The Child" and "Kitumba", neither with the permission of Star Trek rights-holders. Additionally, the episode "Mind-Sifter" was based on a piece of fan fiction from the 1970s.

As of May 2016 several additional episodes were in various stages of pre- or post-production.

Origins, a story based on David Gerrold's original pitch, "The Protracted Man", for Star Trek: The Original Series, was reconceptualized as a Pike-era story featuring the young Cadet James T. Kirk and his father, Commander George Kirk Sr. In January 2021, the incomplete work print for this abandoned episode was rediscovered and uploaded to YouTube (in two sections) by James Cawley.

Crew
The Star Trek: New Voyages pilot episode was produced by James Cawley, Jack Marshall (series director at the time), Pearl Marshall, Max Rem and Jerry Yuen. Episode 1 was produced by James Cawley, Jack Marshall, Pearl Marshall, Max Rem, Amanda Stryker, James Lowe, Jeff Quinn, John Muenchrath and Rod Roddenberry (Gene Roddenberry's son). Episode 2 was produced by James Cawley, Jack Marshall, Erik Goodrich, James Lowe, Jeff Quinn, John Muenchrath and Rod Roddenberry.

The pilot and the first two episodes were directed by Jack Marshall. However, after filming of "To Serve All My Days" it was announced (December 29, 2005) that Marshall would leave the series. Marshall had been offered a position with the visual effects team of Battlestar Galactica and moved from Washington DC in February 2006 to Los Angeles California. Max Rem continued his participation for another 6 months of post production and then also left the project.

July 2013 saw major announcements for production of the series, with James Cawley leaving the role of Captain Kirk to focus solely on production of the show and original series writer David Gerrold taking on the duties of Executive Showrunner in hopes of producing episodes with greater regularity. Gerrold also personally announced that due to an overwhelming backlog, the show would no longer accept script submissions, nor would any episodes based on existing Star Trek books, comics, stories or other published works be adapted to the series – due to a request by CBS legal in the fall of 2011. Rather, all further episodes will come from original works by previous Star Trek writers or crew associated with the series.

Trek alumni support
Several past members of the Star Trek cast and crew have expressed support for the project, and even contributed to it.

Other support
The first episode, "In Harm's Way," features Eugene "Rod" Roddenberry Jr., the son of Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry, as a consulting producer. Sam Witwer ("Crashdown" from Battlestar Galactica, Doomsday in Smallville and Galen Marek from Star Wars: The Force Unleashed) is the voice of the Guardian of Forever (credited as "Simon Judas Raye").

For the second episode, "To Serve All My Days," written by original series writer D.C. Fontana, original cast member Walter Koenig reprises his role as Pavel Chekov. Mary-Linda Rapelye (Irina Galliulin in the original series episode "The Way to Eden") appears as an ambassador.

The third episode, "World Enough and Time," was co-authored by Marc Scott Zicree and Michael Reaves. Zicree, who also directed the episode, contributed the stories for the "First Contact" episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation and "Far Beyond the Stars" for Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. Reaves, who co-wrote (with Diane Duane) the "Where No One Has Gone Before" episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, originally pitched a story to the unproduced Star Trek: Phase II series in which Sulu ages by thirty years, and that story served as the basis for this New Voyages episode. Majel Barrett Roddenberry provided the computer voice in this episode.

David Gerrold (author of TOS episode "The Trouble with Tribbles") has signed on to pen two episodes. One, originally entitled "Blood and Fire," was originally pitched for Star Trek: The Next Generation, but was rejected. Gerrold later claimed the story was rejected because it dealt with homosexuality and AIDS. It was later re-worked as the third book in his Star Wolf series of novels. Denise Crosby guest starred as Natasha Yar's grandmother, Dr. Jenna Yar, in David Gerrold's "Blood and Fire." In addition, Bill Blair guest starred as Commander Blodgett, and The Amazing Race host Phil Keoghan made a cameo appearance as Admiral Keoghan.

Legal status and controversy
Like all fan-films, New Voyages existed at the whim of the Star Trek franchise owners CBS (and previously Paramount Pictures), which previously tolerated the distribution of fan-created material as long as no attempt was made to profit from it.

This tolerance was tested in early 2012 when New Voyages announced that they would film "He Walked Among Us," an unproduced script that Norman Spinrad had sold to the original series. But when CBS claimed ownership of the material, the plans were canceled. CBS had not protested over the series's use of "Blood and Fire", which had been written for Star Trek: The Next Generation; "The Child", and "Kitumba", which had been similarly developed in the late 1970s for the aborted series Star Trek: Phase II, or Mind-Sifter published by Bantam Books, because they were written before the Star Trek movies directed by JJ Abrams were in production. ("The Child" was produced for "Star Trek: The Next Generation.) CBS wants to keep all material it has previously purchased or licensed in any way as possible work to be drawn on for future licensed films.

New Voyages' legal status was ultimately decided in 2016 following the release of new Star Trek fan film guidelines (in response to the Prelude to Axanar controversy) which forbid the production of all Star Trek fan series and any fan productions that included staff who had worked on or appeared in official Star Trek works. This included much of the staff and cast of New Voyages, including creator James Cawley (who cameos in the 2009 Star Trek film). Production on New Voyages was halted in response, with three episodes in various states of production left unfinished. Following this, the sets for New Voyages were licensed by CBS to serve as the Star Trek: Original Series Set Tour.

Production notes
The pilot episode, "Come What May", begins with the late-1960s NBC "In Living Color" sequence. It ends, as did the 1960s episodes, with the animated Desilu Productions logo, with no mention of Paramount. Starting with "Enemy: Starfleet", the series uses the late-60s CBS color opening (reflecting the series' current ownership by CBS Television Studios) and ends with the logo of Cawley Entertainment Company, Cawley's production company.

Inspired by the Star Trek: The Next Generation episode "Lower Decks", James Cawley and Carlos Pedraza had plans in 2007 to develop a series of stories called First Voyages to show "what it’s like to be a 'grunt' on a starship", and with Peter Kirk (Bobby Rice) as the center of these stories focusing on a group of friends from the academy. Another character would be Xon, which had been developed for Star Trek: Phase II around 1977. A pilot episode, "Pomp and Circumstance" would be a New Voyages episode that would spin off into its own series.Though eight episodes were charted, the series didn't materialize. But some components were incorporated into New Voyages, such as Peter Kirk and Xon in "Blood and Fire" and a CGI-model of a Klingon "Bird of Prey" which was used in "To Serve All My Days".

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Katakana
Katakana is necessary because this is a Japanese subject, and all Japanese article subjects, regardless of the nature of how their name may or may not be parsed in Japan, has a katakana form that is used to suitably identify the pronunciation in Japanese. Kauffner has been suggesting that by including the katakana form we are apparently implying that the katakana form is predominant in Japan. However, the fact that we clearly state that this subject is known by the name "MISIA" (parsed in all capital letters), this is moot. However, Kauffner still refuses to acknowledge that the concept of a stylized name exists as a means of conforming to the manuals of style which state all caps names are bad, but if it exists that form should be included in the article (similar to "Ke$ha" on Kesha and "P!nk" on Pink (singer)). Nowhere on this page is it implied that "ミーシャ" is the name of the subject. I've attempted multiple times in the past to suggest a different format when "stylized as MISIA" was apparently not reliably sourced, or something was used superfluously as a citation, by using "" in the lead, but Kauffner objected to this, as well. Kauffner's edits to this page have never been helpful and only insists on returning to the page when he tries to falsely enforce MOS styles that don't exist.— Ryulong ( 竜龙 ) 03:25, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

 * As with the Yui (singer) article, I would contend that it is inaccurate and misleading to include a katakana rendering of the subject's name when her name is always written as "Misia" or "MISIA" in Japanese sources. I hope Ryulong can point out where in the MOS it states that this format is desirable, as otherwise, I see no consensus for including it. --DAJF (talk) 09:42, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * There is actually a larger discussion happening on WT:JAPAN about these matters, because Kauffner has unnecessarily edit warred here and started discussions on two other pages.— Ryulong ( 竜龙 ) 19:09, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Request
Replace the infobox photo with File:MISIA - Washington DC.jpg, as it shows Misia with her eyes open, or perhaps include somewhere else on the page.— Ryulong ( 竜龙 ) 01:13, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
 * No comments on this, so ✅ — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:47, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Got a new one. The line "Misia put out three new releases" under the "Return to BMG Japan: 2007–present" header needs to have quotation marks put around Yakusoku no Tsubasa and Decimo X Anniversario de Misia: The Tour of Misia 2008 Eighth World + The Best DJ Remixes needs to be italicized.— Ryulong ( 竜龙 ) 23:40, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The page is no longer protected.  Sandstein   07:37, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Conflicting birth place claims
The infobox currently says Misia was born in Ōmura, Nagasaki, while the article text says she was born in Fukuoka. The former is unsourced, and the latter is supported only by the Business Week article that says vaguely that "she hails from Fukuoka". --DAJF (talk) 15:32, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
 * ja.wiki seems to exclusively use Tsushima and not Omura. I've changed the article to reflect that.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 15:37, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
 * A press release of hers also states the "Nagasaki" birth place while other sources state she graduated from a Fukuoka city high school.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 15:38, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Thanks. That seems to clear up the problem of conflicting information. --DAJF (talk) 23:58, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

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Some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article Alex kim may not be sufficiently well-known to merit articles of their own. The Wikipedia community welcomes newcomers, and encourages them to become Wikipedians. On Wikipedia, each user is entitled to a user page in which they can describe themselves, and this article's content may be incorporated into that page. However, to merit inclusion in the encyclopedia proper, a subject must be notable. We encourage you to write or improve articles on notable subjects. → Jarlaxle Artemis   03:55, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

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