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Frank Cameron Jackson

Frank Cameron Jackson FBA (born 31 August 1943) is an Australian analytic philosopher and Emeritus Professor in the School of Philosophy (Research School of Social Sciences) at Australian National University (ANU) where he had spent most of the latter part of his career. His primary research interests include epistemology, metaphysics, meta-ethics and the philosophy of mind. In the latter field he is best known for the "Mary's room" knowledge argument, a thought experiment that is one of the most discussed challenges to physicalism.

Biography
Frank Cameron Jackson was born on 31 August 1943 in Melbourne, Australia. His parents were both philosophers. His mother Ann E. Jackson, who rose to the rank of senior tutor, taught philosophy at the University of Melbourne from 1961 to 1984. His atheistic father Allan Cameron Jackson (1911–1990) had been a student of Ludwig Wittgenstein (having gone to Cambridge in 1946 for Ph.D. studies). F. C. Jackson, in interview with Graham Oppy, reports of his parents that; they were both "philosophers in the Old School, by which I mean the Wittgensteinian School. Philosophy was part of your life."

Despite his self-reported enjoyment of the philosophical conversation of his household it was with view to becoming a mathematician that Jackson went to the University of Melbourne to study maths and science. And it was only in his final year of those studies that he chose to also take some philosophy which he found he better enjoyed and proved significantly more able. He passed his B.Sc. but went on to achieve Honours in a B.A. whose main subject was philosophy. During his time at Melbourne he was a resident at Trinity College, a Clarke Scholar, and a member of the 2nd XVIII football team.

Upon graduation from his second degree, Jackson taught at the University of Adelaide for a year in 1967 and then went to La Trobe University for a lectureship appointment. Whilst there, Jackson published his first book (which was also his doctoral thesis) "Perception: A Representative Theory" (1977). The following year he succeeded his father to the chair of Philosophy at Monash University.

In 1986, he joined ANU as Professor of Philosophy and Head of the Philosophy Program, within the Research School of Social Sciences. At ANU, he served as Director of the Institute of Advanced Studies (1998–2001), Deputy Vice-Chancellor – Research (2001), and Director of the Research School of Social Sciences (2004–7). Jackson was appointed as Distinguished Professor at ANU in 2003; he became an Emeritus Professor upon his retirement in 2014. Latterly (2007–14) he had also been a regular visiting professor of philosophy at Princeton University.

Jackson was awarded the Order of Australia in 2006 for service to philosophy and social sciences as an academic, administrator, and researcher. Jackson delivered the John Locke Lectures at the University of Oxford in 1995. Notably, his father had also delivered the 1957–8 lectures, making them the first father–son pair to have done so.

Philosophical work
Jackson's philosophical research is broad, but focuses primarily on the areas of philosophy of mind, epistemology, metaphysics, and meta-ethics.

In philosophy of mind, Jackson is known especially for the knowledge argument against physicalism—the view that the universe is entirely physical (i.e., the kinds of entities postulated in physics). Jackson motivates the knowledge argument by a famous thought experiment known as Mary's room. In a much cited passage he phrases the thought experiment as follows:Mary is a brilliant scientist who is, for whatever reason, forced to investigate the world from a black and white room via a black and white television monitor. She specializes in the neurophysiology of vision and acquires, let us suppose, all the physical information there is to obtain about what goes on when we see ripe tomatoes, or the sky, and use terms like 'red', 'blue', and so on. She discovers, for example, just which wavelength combinations from the sky stimulate the retina, and exactly how this produces via the central nervous system the contraction of the vocal cords and expulsion of air from the lungs that results in the uttering of the sentence 'The sky is blue'. (…) What will happen when Mary is released from her black and white room or is given a color television monitor? Will she learn anything or not? It seems just obvious that she will learn something about the world and our visual experience of it. But then is it inescapable that her previous knowledge was incomplete. But she had all the physical information. Ergo there is more to have than that, and Physicalism is false.Jackson's thought experiment features in the 1996 Channel 4 documentary "Brainspotting" and David Lodge's novel Thinks... (2001'').

Jackson used the knowledge argument, as well as other arguments, to establish a sort of dualism, according to which certain mental states, especially qualitative ones, are non-physical. The view that Jackson urged was a modest version of epiphenomenalism—the view that certain mental states are non-physical and, although caused to come into existence by physical events, do not then cause any changes in the physical world.

However, Jackson later rejected the knowledge argument, as well as other arguments against physicalism:

Most contemporary philosophers given a choice between going with science and going with intuitions, go with science. Although I once dissented from the majority, I have capitulated and now see the interesting issue as being where the arguments from the intuitions against physicalism—the arguments that seem so compelling—go wrong.

Jackson argues that the intuition-driven arguments against physicalism (such as the knowledge argument and the zombie argument) are ultimately misleading.

Jackson is also known for his defence of the centrality of conceptual analysis to philosophy; his approach, set out in his Locke Lectures and published as his 1998 book, is often referred to as the Canberra Plan.

Honours
Jackson was elected Fellow of the Australian Academy of the Humanities (FAHA) in 1981 and of the Academy of the Social Sciences in Australia (FASSA) in 1998.

He was awarded the Centenary Medal in 2001 and appointed an Officer of the Order of Australia (AO) in 2006.

In 2003 he was appointed as Distinguished Professor at the Australian National University and Emeritus Professor in 2014. In November 2018 Jackson received the Peter Baume Award, which recognises substantial and significant achievement and merit.

Books

 * Perception: A Representative Theory (1977, CUP)
 * Conditionals (1987, Basil Blackwell)
 * (with David Braddon-Mitchell) Philosophy of Mind and Cognition: An Introduction (1996, Basil Blackwell)
 * From Metaphysics to Ethics: A Defence of Conceptual Analysis (1998, OUP)
 * Mind, Method and Conditionals: Selected Essays (1998, Routledge)
 * (with Philip Pettit & Michael Smith) Mind, Morality, and Explanations: Selected Collaborations (2004, OUP)
 * (with David Braddon-Mitchell) Philosophy of Mind and Cognition: An Introduction (2nd edition) (2007, Basil Blackwell)
 * Language, Names and Information (2010, Wiley-Blackwell)

Edited books

 * Conditionals (1991, OUP)
 * (with Michael Smith) The Oxford Handbook of Contemporary Philosophy (2005, OUP)

Selected articles

 * (1975) 'Grue' Journal of Philosophy, vol. 72, no. 5, pp. 113–131.
 * (1979) 'On Assertion and Indicative Conditionals' The Philosophical Review, vol. 88, no. 4, pp. 565–589.
 * (1980) 'Ontological Commitment and Paraphrase' Philosophy, vol. 55, no. 213, pp. 303–315.
 * (1981) 'Conditionals and Possibilia' Proceedings of the Aristotelian Society, vol. 81, pp. 125–137.
 * (1982) 'Epiphenomenal Qualia' The Philosophical Quarterly, vol. 32, no. 27, pp. 127–136.
 * (1982) 'Functionalism and Type-Type Identity Theories' Philosophical Studies, vol. 42, no. 2, pp. 209–225. (with Robert Pargetter & Elizabeth W. Prior)
 * (1984) 'Weakness of Will' Mind, vol. 93, no. 369, pp. 1–18.
 * (1984) 'Petitio and the Purpose of Arguing' Pacific Philosophical Quarterly, vol. 65, no. 1, pp. 26–36.
 * (1985) 'On the Semantics and Logic of Obligation' Mind, vol. 94, no. 374, pp. 177–196.
 * (1986) 'Oughts, Options, and Actualism' The Philosophical Review, vol. 95, no. 2, 233–255. (with Robert Pargetter)
 * (1986) 'What Mary Didn't Know' The Journal of Philosophy, vol. 83, no. 5, pp. 291–295.
 * (1988) 'Functionalism and Broad Content' Mind, vol. 97, no. 387, pp. 381–400. (with Philip Pettit)
 * (1990) 'Classifying Conditionals' Analysis, vol. 50, no. 2, pp. 134–147.
 * (1990) 'In Defence of Folk Psychology' Philosophical Studies, vol. 59, no. 1, pp. 31–54. (with Philip Pettit)
 * (1991) 'Decision-Theoretic Consequentialism and the Nearest and Dearest Objection' Ethics, vol. 101, no. 3, pp. 461–482.
 * (1994) 'Minimalism and Truth Aptness' Mind, vol. 103, no. 411, pp. 287–302. (with Graham Oppy & Michael Smith)
 * (1996) 'The Primary Quality View of Color' Philosophical Perspectives, vol. 10, pp. 199–219.
 * (1996) 'Mental Causation' Mind, vol. 105, no. 419, pp. 377–413.
 * (1998) 'A Problem for Expressivism' Analysis, vol. 58, no. 4, pp. 239–251. (with Philip Pettit)
 * (1999) 'The Divide and Conquer Path to Analytical Functionalism' Philosophical Topics, vol. 26, no. 1/2, pp. 71–88. (with David Braddon-Mitchell)
 * (2001) 'Conceptual Analysis and Reductive Explanation' The Philosophical Review, vol. 110, no. 3, pp. 315–360. (with David J. Chalmers)
 * (2002) 'Response-Dependence without Tears' Philosophical Issues, vol. 12, pp. 97–117. (with Philip Pettit)
 * (2003a) 'Cognitivism, A Priori Deduction, and Moore' Ethics, vol. 113, no. 3, pp. 557–575.
 * (2003b) 'Mind and Illusion' in Minds and Persons, ed. Anthony O'Hear, Cambridge University Press, pp. 251–272.
 * (2005) 'What Are Cognitivists Doing When They Do Normative Ethics?' Philosophical Issues, vol. 15, pp. 94–106.
 * (2006) 'Absolutist Moral Theories and Uncertainty' The Journal of Philosophy, vol. 103, no. 6, pp. 267–283. (with Michael Smith)
 * (2007) 'Freedom from Fear' Philosophy & Public Affairs, vol. 35, no. 3, pp. 249–265. (with Robert E. Goodin)
 * (2010) 'The Autonomy of Mind' Philosophical Issues, vol. 20, pp. 170–184.
 * (2012) 'Leibniz's Law and the Philosophy of Mind' Proceedings of the Aristotelian Society, vol. 112, pp. 269–283.

General references and further reading

 * Franklin, J. 2003. Corrupting the Youth: A History of Philosophy in Australia, Macleay Press, Ch. 9. (Chapter as shared by author)
 * Ludlow, P., Y. Nagasawa, and D. Stoljar (eds.). 2004. There's Something About Mary, MIT Press. (Introduction as shared by publisher and archived by Wayback Machine)

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 * I've created a new name as I don't want to bring up old arguments with several unsavoury editors who are still contributing today. Time to start afresh!

 * This is oddly reminiscent of what spammers do. You're not a spammer, are you?

Excuse me? Spammers don't use usernames. Spammer spam with advertisements. Spammers create a junk user name and don't write anything on their user pages or user talk pages and then leave unsigned and insulting messages on legitamate user's talk pages. You realize you could actually make other contributions to Wikipedia instead of just creating an account just for the sake of leaving pointless anonymous messages, right? -- 199 09:11, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Chemical imbalance

Predominately spurious "criticisms" section
All but the first paragraph of this section is unsourced. That's not surprising, since the unsourced paragraphs misrepresent the current state of medical science. The article claims that there are no physiological abnormalities which can be demonstrated through objective laboratory testing in the brains of depressed and otherwise mentally ill individuals. However, deceased depressed patients have been shown to have greater numbers of 5-HT2A receptors (the full article text is necessary, and can be accessed through a university computer). Receptor counting and other highly involved evaluations of brain physiology are not used for the diagnosis of mental illness in living patients simply because they currently cannot be effectuated without destruction of the tissue being tested. Jennifer500 (talk) 04:25, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Monoamine Hypothesis Paragraph
All the citations in the monoamine hypothesis paragraph are broken except one. --128.243.253.111 (talk) 11:44, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Opening Paragraph
The citation in the following sentence in the first section is broken:
 * In the 1950s the monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOIs) and tricyclic antidepressants were accidentally discovered to be effective in the treatment of clinical depression.[1]

--ThinkerDreamer (talk) 19:07, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

It lacks evidence for the statement that critics believe pharmaceutical companies promote hypotheses. I suggest the following: Pharmaceutical companies promote this theory by reporting partically factual studies; often they do not report studies that disprove the effectiveness of their drug. For instance, in two of the three clinical trials the anti-depressant paroxatine proved to be as effective and less effective than a placebo. However only the trial that showed paroxatine as being effective was published by the pharmaceutical company GlaxoSmithKline.

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Blue laser

A blue laser emits electromagnetic radiation with a wavelength between 400 and 500 nanometers, which the human eye sees in the visible spectrum as blue or violet.

Blue lasers can be produced by:

 * direct, inorganic diode semiconductor lasers based on quantum wells of gallium(III) nitride at 380-417nm or indium gallium nitride at 450 nm
 * diode-pumped solid-state infrared lasers with frequency-doubling to 408nm
 * upconversion of direct diode semiconductor lasers via thulium- or praseodymium-doped fibers at 480 nm
 * metal vapor, ionized gas lasers of helium-cadmium at 442 nm and 10–200 mW
 * argon-ion lasers at 458 and 488 nm

Lasers emitting wavelengths below 445 nm appear violet, but are nonetheless also called blue lasers. Violet light's 405 nm short wavelength, on the visible spectrum, causes fluorescence in some chemicals, like radiation in the ultraviolet ("black light") spectrum (wavelengths less than 400 nm).

History
Prior to the 1960s and until the late 1990s, gas and argon-ion lasers were common and suffered from poor efficiencies (0.01%) and large sizes.

In the 1960s, advancements in sapphire creation allowed researchers to deposit GaN on a sapphire base to create blue lasers, but a lattice mismatch between the structures of gallium nitride and sapphire created many defects or dislocations, leading to short lifetimes (<10 hours) and low efficiency (<1%).

Additionally, gallium nitride (GaN) crystal layer construction proved difficult to manufacture as the material requires high nitrogen gas pressures and temperatures, similar to the environment for creating synthetic diamonds.

In 1992, Japanese inventor Shuji Nakamura, while working at Nichia Chemicals, invented the first blue semiconductor LED using an InGaN active region, GaN optical guide and AlGaN cladding, and four years later, the first low-power blue laser; eventually receiving the Millennium Technology Prize awarded in 2006, and a Nobel Prize for Physics along with Professor Isamu Akasaki, and Hiroshi Amano in 2014 for this invention. The gain medium defects still remained too high (106–1010 defects/cm2) resulting in a low-power laser with a short, < 300 hour lifetime using pulsed excitation.

In the late 1990s, Dr. Sylwester Porowski, at the Institute of High Pressure Physics at the Polish Academy of Sciences in Warsaw (Poland), developed technology to create gallium nitride mono-crystals with high structural quality using magnesium doping to create fewer than 100 defects/cm2 — at least 10,000 times better than prior attempts. In 1999, Nakamura used Polish-produced GaN crystals, creating lasers with twice the yield and ten times the lifetime of his original designs; 3,000 hours at 30 mW.

In the 2000s, Japanese manufacturers mastered the production of a blue laser with 60 mW of power and long lifetimes, making them applicable for devices that read a dense (due to blue's short wavelength) high-speed stream of data from Blu-ray, BD-R, and BD-RE. Semiconductor lasers enabled the development of small, convenient and low-priced blue, violet, and ultraviolet (UV) lasers, which were previously not available, opening the door for many applications.

Today, blue semiconductor lasers either use a sapphire substrate (primarily used by Nichia, which uses a contract manufacturer: Sony), or a GaN mono-crystal substrate (primarily used by TopGaN ), both covered with layers of gallium nitride. The GaN optical guide layer of the Nichia devices is formed from active region InGaN quantum wells or quantum dots spontaneously via self-assembly.

Polish technology is considered less expensive than the Japanese, but has a smaller share of the market. Another Polish company creates GaN crystals for use in blue diodes – Ammono, but does not produce blue lasers.

Direct Diode Semiconductor lasers
Blue, direct diode semiconductor lasers can be built using inorganic gallium nitride (GaN) or InGaN gain medium, upon which many (dozens or more) layers of atoms are placed to form the active part of the laser that generates photons from quantum wells. Infrared lasers built on gallium arsenide (GaAs) semiconductors use similar manufacturing techniques. To contain the photons in the gain medium, AlGaN cladding is constructed. Using methods similar to those developed for silicon semiconductors such as the inclusion of doping materials (such as magnesium), the substrate can be built free of the type of defect known as dislocations and with uniform carrier distribution, allowing the gain medium atoms to be layered such that the distances between the atoms making up ground and those of the quantum wells are uniformly the same.

Blue, direct diode lasers can also be fabricated with InGaN semiconductors (445 nm through 465 nm). The InGaN devices are perceived as significantly brighter than GaN (405) nm direct diode lasers, since the longer wavelengths are closer to the peak sensitivity of the human eye.

Use of phosphorescent direct diode blue organic light emitting diodes for lasers is impractical, due to poor lifetimes(<200hrs).

Zener diodes can be incorporated into the circuitry to minimize ESD failures.

Semiconductor lasers can be either driven by pulses or continuous wave operation.

Edge or Vertical Cavity Surface Emitting
Semiconductor lasers may be configured to emit photons either perpendicular or horizontal to the lasing medium layers depending on end use.

Direct Diode-pumped solid state (DPSS), frequency doubled lasers
Direct diode infrared semiconductor lasers, readily available since the 1960s, typically as a pump source for telecom lasers, can be frequency-doubled to the blue range by common nonlinear crystals (BBO or KTP). Greater than 1W power can be reached when the frequency doubling is resonator enhanced, resulting in Watt-class sources spanning across the visible spectrum, including a 400 nm blue laser with 2.6 W of output power.

Violet DPSS laser pointers (120 mW at 405 nm) use a direct diode infrared gallium arsenide (1 W @ 808 nm) lasers being directly doubled, without a longer-wave diode-pumped solid state laser interposed between diode laser and doubler-crystal results in higher-power.

Blue DPSS laser pointers, initial availability around 2006, have the same basic construction as DPSS green lasers. They most commonly emit light at 473 nm, which is produced by frequency doubling of 946 nm laser radiation from a diode-pumped YAG or YVO4 crystal. Neodymium-doped crystals usually produce a principal wavelength of 1064 nm, but with the proper reflective coating mirrors can be also made to lase at other non-principal neodymium wavelengths, such as the 946 nm transition used in blue-laser applications. For high output power BBO crystals are used as frequency doublers; for lower powers, KTP is used. Output powers available are up to 5000 mW. Conversion efficiency for producing 473 nm laser radiation is inefficient with some of the best lab produced results coming in at 10–15% efficient at converting 946 nm laser radiation to 473 nm laser radiation. Due to low conversion efficiency, use of a 1000 mW IR diode results in at most 150 mW of visible blue DPSS laser light, but more practically 120mW.

Gas or Ion Lasers
Blue gas lasers are large and expensive instruments relying on population inversion in rare gas mixtures which use high currents and large cooling due to poor efficiency: 0.01%. Blue beams can be produced using helium-cadmium gas lasers at 441.6 nm, or argon-ion lasers at 458 and 488 nm,

Blue Visual Appearance
The violet 405 nm laser (whether constructed directly from GaN or frequency-doubled GaAs laser diodes) is not in fact blue, but appears to the eye as violet, a color for which a human eye has a very limited sensitivity. When pointed at many white objects (such as white paper or white clothes which have been washed in certain washing powders) the visual appearance of the laser dot changes from violet to blue, due to fluorescence of brightening dyes.

For display applications which must appear "true blue", a wavelength of 445–450 nm is required. With advances in volume production, 445 nm InGaN laser diodes have dropped in price, becoming an optimal solution for laser phosphor projectors.

Applications
Areas of application of the blue laser include:

 * Communication with submarines
 * DLP and 3LCD projectors
 * Electronic equipment
 * Environmental monitoring
 * Handheld projectors and displays
 * High-definition Blu-ray players
 * Information technology
 * Laser etchers and cutters
 * Laser projectors
 * Medical diagnostics
 * Flow cytometry
 * Medical procedures
 * Laryngology
 * Phonosurgery
 * Otology
 * Rhinology
 * Optoelectronic data storage at high density
 * Telecommunications

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I truly felt a need to stand up and say some thing here... there are some Very true statements about this facility as well as some alegations that are completly taken out of context.

as a STUDENT of the facility for near 2 years as well as a year in Spring Creek, i found that (in Jamaca) a majority of the Abuse alegations came after students "went out of control", rioted, etc. as in ANY city or town country sometimes it took some force to get things under control. now this does not mean that the staff members were Brutally taking out these kids.... but when your having to restrain someone due to them attacking another student, self infliction, attempting to run Away....( which i might ad was an extremely stupid thing for me to ever attempt) I can Honestly say that All harm that was caused to my person happened due to MY OWN CHOICES! I caused the incident that created the injury with my shoulder ( i fliped out ou a kid pouring nauxus Chemicals on another student and if u can Honestly say i wasnt calling forth being restrained than your crazy!   i resisted  during my continued strugle with the 3 staff members  i dislocated my shoulder.  while siting in Observation Placement i did everything i could to make my shoulder worse, geting myself in to positions that some harm would obviously soon follow,) Now during this time NEVER once was i denied Medical Treatment in fact the medical treatment was in fact a treat due to the fact that the type of medical treatment i needed ment a trip to one of the near by towns Mandiville or even better Kingston!!! i even got treats that were a rarity like Raw Sugarcane and Coconut jellys. IT WAS A TRUE TREAT! now on facility there were 2 nurses that were wonderful now the lack of med treatment comes from the fact that only one nurse was on at a time and they had to take care of both the Girls and the Boys side each side equaling well over 100 kids. so of course she wasnt in the office all the time.

now complaints of food is laughable the food wasnt always the best... the soups and boiled dumplings sucked.... but the Jamaican national dish salt fish ackee and johnny cakes were unbelievable, the Fried Goat.... a masterpiece ( and HILARIOUS that they passed it off as chicken)   the food was nutritional and healthy... SHIT before i got placed there i wasnt eating and if i did it was gas station food!!!!

now Sanitation is Truly the only thing that was a problem at times..... now remember Jamaica IS a 3rd world country... the power goes out from time to time... especially in storm season.....  now when this happens the water pumps for the well wont work..... now we still showered (2 times a day), washed close etc it was just now reduced to using the old fashioned bucket and roap from the well....nothing wrong with that ........ now the Only thing that was Unsanitary was that from time to time the sewage pump would back up flooding the lower teer of the Shower/wash area ( this happened to be where the clothes line was and if this happened and with the combination of rude students that would steal the cloth pins for their own stuff and just a slight breeze would create a very unhappy person no matter if it was waist of just mud from the rain the night before)

now out of all of the things that tranquility bay has been accused of the only one i can truly say happened that was unacceptable was the backing up of the sewage pump.... now 8 years after being in the program i can look back and see the angry kid i was and how unaccountable i was much of the time i also want to note that during the time i was there it was noted as being the stricktest and also the most unruly (this being due to the type of kids that were geting placed at this facility many of these kids should have been in jail.... suicides happen even in a jail,prison,sick units etc. if the disturbed person really has the intention of ending their life they will accomplish it. now that ive ranted for a while ill end on this note... the people that were placed in these programs ( including myself) did this by their own actions whether it may be due to sex, drugs, violence, "misbehaving" court ordered ( yes there were MANY) etc we all made the choice to take on the actions that ultimitly placed us there ( of course we never see it that way when its happening) now what we choose to take from the experiencing is our own and is unique to each that went.  i was lucky that my parents had the incite to send me, it saved my life and i still find myself lucky that my mind was able to clear enough and that im still a coherent human being.

I know this is Wikipedia, and we're supposed to maintain NPOV, but this place has to be stopped. Please, anyone who is able, protest and work against this place in any way you can. 86.134.217.24
 * Well, you can't post anything that's not published in a reliable source. We are here to describe places, not to be activists. WhisperToMe (talk) 00:48, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Insanity
I believe that this facility, along with the many other facilities that run programs of this nature must be shut down. We, as a country, should make it ILLEGAL or very difficult to send your child to another country for treatment. I spent a year and a half at a GOOD program for youth with social and emotional issues that provided therapy and a safe refuge, it infuriates me that the basic dignity I was provided with is stripped from others.

Hey buddy, parents have the right to send their children wherever they want. If a parent feels that their child would benefit from being sent to Tranquility Bay, they should be able to. Creating a whole new level of federal bureaucracy so that the government can poke its nose into what parents do with their own children (who owe their very EXISTENCE to their parents) is never good. 68.69.194.125 04:31, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Children needing to be subservient on the basis of owing their existence to their parents? Perhaps it's only an opinion, but it isn't moral to expect some sort of payment for a favor or deed that someone didn't ask you to do. Using this kind of logic, children don't "owe" any sort of thing to their parents for birthing them because it was never their decision in the first place to be born. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.112.117.15 (talk) 05:45, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

 * So are you saying that child abuse is legal in the USA? It's legal to beat up, rape or kill your children, or whatever it is that you want to do to them? That's what you're essentially saying. Well, you're probably insane so I guess it doesn't matter anyway.

 * No. You are never right to abuse your children. They dont belong to you, you are only the guardian. There are paedophile parents who believe there children will "benifit" from sexual abuse. This is in analogy to this. From the evidence at hand of torture, systematic abuse, suicide, and violence, its really important this place be shut down. Sign the petition by the Coalition against instititutionalised child abuse at http://www.caica.org/. There is a REASON this companys facilitys have been raided and shut down around the world. If you have children there, get them the hell out and get them professional psychiatric help NOW. 58.7.0.146 09:55, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * This is not a chatroom. WhisperToMe (talk) 00:48, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I agree
I reccomend it be shut down, and the program be described truthfully to parents, who, if they agree to send their child there, will have failed the test and be EXCECUTED, or, at the very least, lifetime commitment to a mental institution, because they are sub-human.

 * I hold the same opinion myself as well - I think that there could be references in the main text of the article to organizations which are opposed to such practise. If anyone has any idea, please edit the article. -elynnia-

 * The executed thing sounds nice. But what's the punishment for child abuse if it happens at home? I think it's imprisonment. 68.166.66.189 22:48, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Abuse on the level of this facility would be impossible for parents to achieve at home. CameoAppearance 20:15, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I find it disgusting that you would approve if innocent people died because they don't share your spoiled liberal worldview. Parents should be able to do what they want with their children if they feel the child will be better off in the long run. Correcting a child's misbehavior is not a crime, nor has it ever been. Discipline camps have been run for years, and millions of children the world over have been for the better because of it. I won't even get into the disturbing connotations that the word 'sub-human' has. 68.69.194.125 04:35, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

 * So again you're suggesting that parents have the legal right to do anything they want to their children. This is obviously not the case in the US or in any developed country, but I'm sure it's all real in your private fantasy world.

 * WTC? I'm as conservative as hell regarding this. Thats why I believe in protecting children. Child abuse has traditionally ALWAYS been wrong. Kids are dying because of this place. The execution comments a bit silly, but its in no way liberal (hint: liberals are opposed to the death penalty). But the damage this place appears to cause is on par with child sexual abuse. Its certainly a matter for law enforcement intervention. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.7.0.146 (talk) 09:58, 9 April 2007 (UTC).
 * just want to get child out of there hair. no competent help for those children. 73.49.99.245 (talk) 23:49, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Some people need to understand how much others feel those behind this school are responsible for the abuse, and death of students. Maybe they are swinging it that way because. a) It truely is the fact of the matter and the truth. b) They were harmed by the school. c) They lost a loved one from the school. or d) they just irrationally hate the place, But how can it be irrational when proof is required to post? Remember, you cant be netural if the place really is a torturous place. -- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by OverLordd (talk • contribs).

This article is POV
In the interest of maintaining NPOV, I would like for this article to have testimony from those who run Tranquility Bay or those who support it. This article is very one sided. 68.69.194.125 05:22, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

 * One sided. Yes, it is. Sorry about that. It's just kind of hard to take a neutral view of a facility in which children are routinely abused to "cure" them of supposed misdeeds which are often not even against the law. We try, but it's like trying to write an unbiased portrait of Hitler. What nice things are you supposed to say? 86.134.217.24 21:38, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

 * See Godwin's Law. The facility exists to fill a need; this is not evil or cruel. Some parents wish to send their children here because they believe they have no other choice; the child may misbehave, steal things, etc. Comparing an unbiased article about this topic to a portrait of Hitler is childish and shows a simplistic worldview. It is obvious that the editors here have an extreme bias against this institution, yet somehow it is acceptable for certain articles to be POV but others aren't.  68.69.194.125 01:05, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Sometimes biases are justified. The line between "corporal punishment" and "deliberate harm on institutional level" got crossed somewhere around when parents get denied the right to see their children if they visit uninvited, or when kids are forced to lie on concrete floors for hours on end. Biased? Yep. Wrong? I don't think so. What are you, some kind of apologist for Tranquility Bay? User:Stiletto Null 22:14, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Also, the criticism section is longer than the main article. That is NOT NPOV. 68.69.194.125 04:31, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

 * I think you're confused about the way Wikipedia articles are laid out; there is no 'main article' within any Wikipedia article. There's a section at the top that summarises the rest, followed by more sections (and subsections of those sections, in longer articles) that go into detail. CameoAppearance orate 00:35, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm so divided. My wikipedia mind tells me to make the article nuetral, but my soul tells me to make it even more one sided. Damn. Cookn4evar 08:48, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I say "Criticism" should be changed to "Alleged Abuse" or something to that effect.--Foot Dragoon 07:59, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

 * This is a prime case of WP:IAR. A NPOV article is not possible. 62.197.170.207 16:14, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

NPOV, as I understand the term, refers to describing events in a neutral manner rather than displaying a bias towards any side of an issue. In other words,if you can objectively prove that Very Bad Things happened at Tranquility Bay (impossible at this point in time, although evidence would seem to suggest that they did), you're free to describe those Things. If there's controversy over whether the Very Bad Things actually happened or not, say so in the article. Conversely, if new evidence comes to light that decisively proves that the Very Bad Things never really happened, the article should still mention that at one point people thought they had. CameoAppearance orate 00:35, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

This needs to stop
I've seen how this page is going back and forth between that IP address and some users, and I attempted to make it a NPOV, including information from both sides equally, but it was reverted back to an extremely one-sided article. Now I honestly have no opinion either way, if parents wish to send their children there, thats their own choice, I personally wouldn't send my child to any kind of boarding school, whether there are allegations against it or not. CameoAppearance, you seem to obviously be against this school, as you have a right to be, but I feel that you're abusing Wikipedia by not offering a NPOV article, and constantly reverting to an extremely biased one. Deathoftherescue 22:25, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

 * While I am indeed against this school (in the sense that I'd like to see it shut down, but I'm not going to actively campaign in favour of such), I'm not purposefully pushing an agenda; even if it wasn't clearly against Wikipedia policies, an encyclopedia isn't the place for such things. With regards to my reversion, I've upheld it mainly because the IPs' preferred revision removed any mention of it being any more than a "treatment center" for disobedient children, and the main difference between that and yours was that it gave a brief, general mention of the facility having been criticised, added a "Praise" section as well (which is not a generally accepted practice on Wikipedia) and included two links to non-WWASPS pages.

 * I haven't gone over the exact wording of the Criticism section yet (although this is probably where the problem lies), but I believe that having a detailed description of the allegations is both a better idea and more in line with other Wikipedia articles on similar subjects than simply stating that it "has recieved harsh criticisms and allegations of child abuse" and "There are also groups against Tranquility Bay and the entire World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools in general" (which sounds more like an attempt to allude to a conspiracy against them than a statement of the fact that anti-WWASPS groups exist, although this could simply be my interpretation). CameoAppearance orate 01:10, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

 * I wouldn't care if the criticism section stays intact, so long as there are views from the other side as well, if this can be accomplished, I'll be satisfied. I'm just interested in having a true NPOV, because it seems pretty biased to me. I'm not trying to get into a battle with anyone, as I said, I'm not for or against either side. But if someone could create a version that includes positive information and still appeals to everyone else (as to not have it reverted immediately by someone), I think we would all be happy, and it would finally obtain a true NPOV. Deathoftherescue 16:03, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I've attempted to have it be a NPOV, leaving the criticism section intact, and adding a WWASP rebuttal section.Deathoftherescue 16:44, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

 * I don't have a problem with that, so long as both the negative and positive information can be attributed to a reliable source/sources (I personally would prefer that any information supporting a positive POV be sourced to a third party not affiliated with WWASPS, but that's basically just because of my distrust of the organisation rather than any real discrediting in the public eye). If nothing else, though, I'd prefer that you describe the WWASPS rebuttal rather than copying quotes (particularly the many from former students and parents) and other text directly from wwaspsrebuttal.com; aside from the fact that it's preferred that editors not put exact text from sources into the article, I don't know the copyright status of that site.

 * Just for clarification's sake, "NPOV" (as I understand it, I could be wrong) refers to describing events in an unbiased fashion rather than striving to provide equal coverage of views that are in opposition to each other; though I'm pretty sure most articles with a Criticism or Controversy section include a "rebuttal" subsection as well, the point is that editors don't have to make sure the articles give equal time, so to speak, to critics' and advocates' views. CameoAppearance orate 17:09, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

 * so you're ok with the fact that the criticism relies heavily on direct quotes from articles and testimonials, but when the rebuttal section does this, you complain about it? this is getting ridiculous. It seems no matter what anyone does, someone else will not agree and revert it. If this is how things are, I don't think I'll be using wikipedia as often as I have been, as I can't see it as a credible source. And my understanding of NPOV is that there is an unbiased, equal share of both sides to a story or argument. Providing only negative information on a subject and not specifically stating that you agree with it is not neutral or unbiased. While the editor may be unbiased, the article is not. Deathoftherescue 17:20, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

 * What I'm trying to say is that you shouldn't lift nearly the entire text from the WWASPS' rebuttal site; I admit that the Criticism section could use some trimming of its many quotes as well, but I haven't had the time to do so. As for NPOV, you might want to see this section of the FAQ, although, insofar as it applies to this article, it's common practice to have a Criticism/Controversy section with a Rebuttal subsection anyways. Personally, I think both of us would benefit from looking over the policy page just to get a better grasp on the way it's meant to be interpreted. CameoAppearance orate 18:31, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

 * It's funny that you mention we should both look it over, as I was thinking the exact same thing. I agree with you in that both sections need to be trimmed down, as they both are lengthy and tedious to read. Deathoftherescue 19:40, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Child abuse is nobodies choice and everybodies business. If you are sending your kids to this place and you are apraised of the facts, then you are a child abuser and your children deserve protection not just from TB but YOU. 116.212.202.114 (talk) 05:38, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

WWASP IPs
Several of the ips involved in editing the WWASP pages.. are

a) anonymous ips

b) located in utah, where the company has registered

c) have made hundreds of edits to WWASP related pages

d) have made 0 edits to any other wikipedia pages.; —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.56.160.150 (talk • contribs)

 * You're right; I've noticed that myself. Of course, if they were editing according to WP guidelines and policies, that wouldn't be a problem; however, they keep doing things like editing out every single piece of criticism and not responding to their talk pages, and it's really getting on my nerves. CameoAppearance orate 19:18, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Maybe these people have no interest in wikipedia. Maybe they simply want to defend themselves against some accusations. Doesn't that make sense? Dwjack 16:48, 26 February 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dwjack (talk • contribs) 16:45, 26 February 2007 (UTC).

News Media
The "WWASP and the News Media" section appears to be completely unsourced and offers information that is either non-neutral or only barely relevant. The "Gallup says people don't trust the news media" looks like some kind of NPOV threadbare defense of Tranquility Bay. If someone doesn't clean it up, I'm going to excise it.--Halloween jack 03:45, 5 January 2007 (UT The very first section has a part that claims WWASPS is said to have a 97 percent satisfaction rate - This is simply not true - That is a number WWASPS made up out of nowhere - That number should be nowhere except on WWASPS' own page if they so choose - Also, the 4000 letters is deceiving - They ask the parents to write approval letters during the very emotional seminars they put on - After they drain the parents of all emotions, the parents feel relieved and write a short letter thanking them - Many parents recant those later on - But wwasps still uses them - Also, look on wwasps rebuttal site - If you venture to the section that alleges to have all the pictures of the parents and the letters - Look at the pictures - They are all taken at the same place - Right outside a seminar - This is deceptive - --The above comment was added at 02:35, 5 February 2007 by 67.40.11.244

Propaganda from Tranquility Bay
I just removed the following sentence from the first paragraph of the article: "Despite its reputation, Tranquility Bay is said to boast a 97% parent satisfaction rate, and the facility claims that they have received "over 4000 letters of reference or appreciation in past three years alone." Yes, it was cited.  But did anyone bother to check the source???  My god.  Just look at it http://www.wwaspsrebuttal.com/.  As far as I can tell, this site is likely run by the company itself!  As others have mentioned, I think the company is "updating" the article frequently to stuff it with their own lies.

I fully support the non-biased point of view that Wikipedia needs to maintain, but damn, it is hard to control myself on this issue. It's like trying to remain objective on a company that kills babies for fun. As a result, for the time being I will not be writing and/or adding anything to the article (other than REMOVING that BS statistic). When will this evil company be taken down (by a court)??? Markatl84 07:38, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Check out a documentary made on the program here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=hO_W4VsWQ6w. Markatl84 04:50, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

NPOV? Are you serious?
section for Critisism: 2080 words

section for Rebuttal:    31 words Dwjack 16:51, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Wow. I found the rebuttal even more damning than the original criticism. The criticism basically said "these guys are child abusers" and the rebuttal was "No, we're demented and really sadistic child abusers, and here's proof!" Ah well, if that's what they think maintains NPOV, then I suppose everyone's happy. Does this really belong on the Tranquility Bay page, though? Eugenitor 21:20, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

More Propaganda
This article looks like an advertisement. In fact, I think I've seen these same lines in some of the TB literature. I'm going to remove some of the more offensive things myself.

Yeah so I ended up taking out the entire second paragraph because I couldn't come up with a way to make it more factual/less biased. Sorry about that.

 * The above unsigned comments are from IP 202.33.24.132, added earlier today. I restored the second paragraph. It is at least as neutral (perhaps more so) than the material retained in the first paragraph, and it includes information from a published article. --orlady 14:38, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

It seems like any information about child torture is being systematically removed from this article. Right now after reading the page the random reader would not have a clue about why this facility is so strongly opposed by some people. It is just "toughest of the WWASP schools" and "dedicated to helping". How decently said! Not a single word about beating children by staff, laying face-down on the floor for hours, etc. -- Viliam Bur 81.89.55.4 16:58, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually - laying face first on a floor for weeks and months - not hours. And if you move - you get beat.

Tranquility Bay closed
The last prisoner held at Tranquility Bay was released on January 5, 2009. The facility is now selling all of its furniture.

12 years of horrific, inhumane violence is over. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.135.89.80 (talk) 02:42, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

 * I'd be interested to hear more about this - why was the facility closed? Legal reasons, and if so which country's laws?  Business decision by the organization running it?  Or what? 67.158.65.220 (talk) 23:48, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * are u open I heard u were closed, 73.49.99.245 (talk) 23:42, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Youngest person there was 11.
When I went to TB, I was actually (just turned) 11. I saw that it says the youngest person there was 12, but in fact, that's wrong. Just pointing that out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.37.87.143 (talk) 16:48, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

transcripts
dear sir,

my name is riva menon. i was a student at tranquility bay, jamaica from april14, 2005 to april 13, 2006.in which time i completed my high school diplomma. currently i understand that tranquilit bay has been closed down. I hope you will be able to help me in a problem im facing. i need my transcripts and graduation certificate. i would like to further my studies and am told without those documents i will be unable to. Also that i would not have any proof that i even completed my high school. i beg you for your help sir. My ssn is [seriosly?]. full name Riva A/L Ramakrishnan Menon. Father's name- Ramakrishnan Menon.

please i hope you can help me.

Sincerely, Riva Menon

can anyone help me???? my email is rmenon2@gmail.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.141.109.196 (talk) 19:02, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

 * Hi Riva the best place to get advice would probably be here http://reddit.com/r/troubledteens 1keyhole (talk) 23:36, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

is this placereopened 73.46.195.53 (talk) 20:30, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

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Smart Parts

Smart Parts was a paintball manufacturing company in Latrobe, Pennsylvania, which filed for liquidation on July 28, 2010. As of August 22, 2010 Smart Parts' assets and intellectual property were acquired by Kee Action Sports.

Products
Smart Parts was a producer of paintball markers and accessories. Their first product was the Smart Parts aluminium one-piece barrel made for the Tippmann 68 Special and the PMI-3 semi automatic markers. This barrel had a standard bore with a spiral drilled venting system in the end of the barrel. The design supposedly improved accuracy by decreasing turbulence as the paintball exited the barrel, and also decreased noise produced by the gun upon firing. The later All-American Barrel was a two-piece barrel system using spiral porting and a front bore diameter of 68 caliber. In the early to mid-1990s Smart Parts' products ranged from barrels and clothing to a few generic accessories along with some marker specific ones (such as parts for the AirGun Designs Automag series).

Barrel system
Smart Parts produced The Freak paintball marker barrel system that can accommodate almost any size bore diameter paintball. The Freak kit comes standard with eight different sized barrel inserts including: .679,.682,.684,.687,.689,.691,.693,.695. Along with the eight inserts includes the Freak kit case as well as the Freak back piece. The front barrel piece is sold separately in different lengths in order to accommodate all barrel lengths.

pneuVentures Shocker & Shocker Sport
In 1990, Smart Parts produced their first in-house marker. Called the Boss, the Smart Parts pump marker featured a spiral ported barrel and a 'shoebox' style body (which would be mirrored in their first electronic gun design); The Boss was targeted at high-end woodsball tournament players but was not well-received, being considered to be too heavy and too large (when compared to offerings such as the Carter Comp or LAPCO Grey Ghost). The Boss was withdrawn from the market and Smart Parts concentrated on producing customized versions of other manufacturer's markers until 1996 when Smart Parts began selling their first electronic marker, the Shocker. This marker was manufactured by a company called pneuVentures, but sold exclusively through Smart Parts. This original Shocker was a dual-solenoid, closed bolt, hammerless marker that was large, heavy, inefficient, and could fire a maximum speed of nine shots per second. A couple thousand of these were sold over the course of its lifetime. Other companies that had been working on their own electronic markers also released them about the same time (WDP Angel – 1996, Brass Eagle Rainmaker – 1997).

The pneuVentures Shocker was sold until 1997 when Smart Parts redesigned it and started producing it themselves. This redesigned marker, which became known as the Shocker Sport, was released in 1998. It included a number of major revisions to the original design, including a more lightweight profile, improved electronics and grounding, a faster cycling set of internals, and better solenoids. The Shocker Sport was sold from 1998 to 2002, and the design of its external look changed a few times during that period. A few companies even released their own customized versions, mainly the Planet Eclipse Shocker (which was manufactured by Smart Parts for the company Planet Eclipse, which at the time did not make any markers of their own). Another customized Shocker was the SL Shocker from HyperSportWorks.

Shocker Sports were the first factory marker to feature an enhanced firing mode, which later became known as "ramping". This firing mode was called Turbo mode by Smart Parts, and involved a firing program whereby the user would pull the trigger around five times per second, and the marker's actual firing speed would increase to over nine shots per second. This type of firing mode was largely unheard-of in the industry at the time, so people were conflicted about its use. Turbo mode became illegal to use in tournaments and on some open-play recreational games due to the obvious advantage it gave the user. After the turn of the century, ramping modes have become more and more popular, and many markers come with them as stock from the factory. As a result, the use of ramping modes has become more mainstream, and is allowed in some recreational games and some tournaments. However, this varies from game to game and tournament circuit to circuit, so it is still disallowed by many fields.

Impulse
The Impulse was released in the year 2000 and was the sister design to SP's other marker available at the time, the Shocker Sport. Over the course of its lifetime the Impulse became one of the most popular markers available, and was notable for following many trends for parts, style, and features in the paintball industry on the turn of the century.

Impulses had a similar appearance to the Shocker Sport, however they were internally quite different; Impulses were based on the common "stacked-tube" hammer/valve layout (two bore design, bolt on top with the hammer on bottom). In contrast to the Shocker Sport, Impulses were capable of faster fire rates, were more lightweight, were cheaper, and also experienced greater tank efficiency. As a result, the gaining popularity of this product over the Shocker was foreseeable. Impulses were one of many stacked-tube electronic markers developed around the same time by opposing companies. Markers such as this were considered to be the top-end by many players (typically those involved with tournaments), and as a result the cost for upgraded versions was quite high ($1000+).

In 2001, Smart Parts released a variety of upgrades and enhancements to the Impulse line, including the Vision eye system, upgraded bolts, improved valves and internals, and other smaller upgrade components. The Vision electronic eye system was particularly popular since few other markers were available with such a part from the factory (this has since changed, and the feature is a near-requirement from manufacturers). In 2002, the electronics were redesigned to the "Cricket" version, which involved a more reliable circuit board that also used more developed programming.

The other growing trend that Impulses followed were the addition of stylish milling patterns and designs, suited for different retailers and sponsored teams. This has become a popular trend for the more expensive markers of today. There were over 30 customized body styles and parts available known as "Private Labels" before the marker was discontinued. Contingent to this was the growing number of parts and accessories available for the Impulse line as well, from various manufacturers and developers, which allowed nearly every part of the marker to be swapped for an "aftermarket" version. The serial number of the marker is located on the right-hand side towards the back.

List of Private Label Impulses:

 * Python Impulse
 * SIC Impulse
 * Atomix Impulse
 * Atomix TRIBAL Impulse
 * Ca$h Money Impulse
 * Ton Ton Impulse
 * Meteor Impulse
 * Adrenalin Impulse
 * RAT Impulse
 * Predator Impulse
 * Freak Factory Impulse
 * Nasty Impulse
 * Game Face Impulse
 * Demonic Impulse
 * Strange Vision Impulse
 * Toxic Impulse
 * AVI Impulse
 * 32º Impulse
 * Shocktech SFL Impulse
 * Hotrod Impulse
 * Eclipse Impulse
 * Mouse Impulse
 * Tiger Impulse
 * Fireball Mountain Gothic Impulse
 * Fireball Mountain Factory Impulse
 * Fireball Mountain Razzor Impulse
 * Evil Impulse
 * Dark Impulse
 * Neurotic Sports Edition Impulse
 * VooDoo Impulse
 * Hyperpulse
 * Blizzard Impulse

In 2009 Smart Parts released another Impulse, a high-end marker that used the ram driven operation of the Ego and Intimidator. It incorporated several features used by Smart Parts' highest-end marker, the DLX Luxe, such as an internal gas system.

Shocker SFT & Shocker NXT
The year 2003 brought several new markers and products from Smart Parts, due to a reshuffling of design engineers. The most notable new product from this time period was the Shocker 03 marker (whose name soon after became Shocker SFT). The Shocker SFT was a redesigned marker that used a single solenoid open bolt, cock valve operation capable of high firing speeds, small body size, but an average efficiency without a Smart Parts High Efficiency Bolt. Although this marker was given the name "Shocker", it actually shares virtually no design aspects with its namesake the older Shocker Sport. However, Smart Parts decided to call it the next-generation "Shocker" for marketing purposes, since the older Shockers were already discontinued.

Ever since having been released in July 2003, the Shocker SFT has remained the premier Smart Parts marker, representing top-of-the-line performance and reliability. Shockers have been chosen by the majority of Smart Parts' sponsored teams since their release. The Shocker's popularity also brought along many upgrades and customized versions, available from various manufacturers and developers, similar to its older brother the Impulse. Base-model Shockers currently retail around $700, with the more customized "private label" version around $1000 or more (depending on the model).

In late 2006 (sometimes described as 2007 for simplicity) the Shocker SFT was redesigned into the newer "Shocker NXT" version, which is the same internal marker as the SFT, except it uses upgraded parts from the factory, and has a few enhancements to the frame, in-line regulator, and other parts of the marker to increase performance and reliability. The cosmetics were also changed to reflect the new internals. Some Shocker SFT parts are no longer compatible with the newer Shocker NXT model. This includes barrel threads, as the NXT uses the same threads as the Ion and Impulse. There are several other parts that may not be compatible, including the trigger, and vertical ASA.

Private Label Shockers Include: (SFT)
 * Octane
 * Nasty
 * Tremor
 * Strange Vision
 * Shocktech
 * Toxic
 * Dynasty
 * 06 Dynasty
 * Ton Ton
 * Dark
 * Hybrid
 * Freeflow
 * Russian Legion
 * OWL Sharks
 * Miami effect

Nerve
The other new-to-2003 Smart Parts marker was called the Nerve. It has since been discontinued. Nerves are a next-generation Impulse design, featuring a smaller and lighter profile, improved internals, upgraded and streamlined components from the factory, and a sleeker external look. It shares many parts that are interchangeable with the shocker, however it uses a different platform for operation. When Nerves were first released (several months late due to manufacturing and development issues), it was designed to be Smart Parts flagship "no upgrades needed" marker. It came packed with Smart Parts best accessories. The high-end features resulted in the MSRP costing $1200 for the base model, or $1500 for the upgraded package with HPA tank included. The reasoning for this was based on the previous customized Impulse markers, which retailed for $1000+, however the Nerve's high price tag did not fare as well with the public. This was partially because public trends were already shifting away from the stacked-tube hammer/valve markers which the Nerve was based from, and toward more advanced designs such as the Shocker, Dye Matrix line, and others (this trend proceeded through 2004). To combat this, Nerve price was dropped a few months later to $1000, then again to $850. At this point Nerves were finally gaining popularity as originally expected, however one final blow was dealt to the Nerve which would put it away – the release of the Ion (below). In late 2005 SP produced an additional large batch of Nerve parts, however after this the line was halted and the marker was unofficially discontinued in light of other products.

Ion/Ion XE
In March 2005, Smart Parts released their most popular marker, the Ion. The development, production, and eventual release of this product were completely unanticipated due to being conducted in relative secrecy by Smart Parts. As a result, when the Ion became available it was an immediate hit in both sales, demand, and expectations.

The Ion was the trend starter for a new marketing idea in the paintball industry, whereby relatively high-performance parts would be sold after the absolute lowest price markup, thus allowing the product (Ion) to be sold for an extremely reasonable price. The Ion uses similar principals in design to the higher-performance Shocker marker, however several key factors to the Ion design were altered to allow it a drastic reduction in production cost (allowing the low MSRP price tag for the end-user). In particular, the Ion was cheaper to produce due to its modular body/exoskeleton design, newly designed inexpensive solenoid, and use of internal air tubing instead of machined manifold ports like high-end markers. These, combined with a reasonably low markup in price for retailers, allowed the Ion to debut with an MSRP of $275. The MSRP was later reduced to $200 for about a year-long period, but was increased back up to $225 at a later time. It was again reduced back down to $200.

The Ion has quickly become one of the most, if not the most popular markers ever available. This is justified by it selling over 100,000 units in a one-year period, a feat which few if any paintball markers has ever done to date; some markers that have been available for over a decade haven't been able to match these numbers. The release of this marker dealt a noticeable blow to nearly every competing product across the globe, and was so strong that it even affected the resale and demand of used products as well. The release of the Ion had more than doubled the size of Smart Parts itself, in both manufacturing space and workforce. A few years after having been released, the wake of the Ion's blow to the paintball industry actually hit Smart Parts themselves, which contributed to the temporary increase in MSRP. This particular year in the paintball industry (2005) saw the most closed stores, fields, and manufacturers than all previous years combined. The release of the Ion being coincidentally in 2005 surely couldn't have helped, however factual evidence either way is circumstantial.

Other paintball companies have matched this low-cost, low markup marketing concept (examples being the Proto Rail (based on the Proto Matrix), ICD Promaster, Eclipse Etek Ego (based on the Planet Eclipse Ego), and others). However, these competing products are notably less popular in comparison, likely due to their higher price tags, although still remaining very economic alternatives to their respective "high-performance" counterparts. The popularity of the Ion also allots it a massive amount of upgrades and specialized products, and like the older Impulse literally every part of the marker can be replaced with an aftermarket version.

In 2007 Smart Parts released an updated version of the ion called the ION XE, that includes built in B.O.B (bolt out back) function, which allows easier removal of the bolt. This makes maintenance considerably easier, as one must only take out a single screw as opposed to taking apart the entire marker. This was one of the major criticisms of the original Ions. The new Ion XE also consists of a new and improved low profile feedneck and a new body design. Ion XE colored bodies are available.

SP-8
The SP-8 was released after the Ion. Mechanically, the two markers are almost identical, the major differences being that the SP-8 has a 45 degree feed tube instead of a vertical one, the regulator is mounted 15 degrees forward instead of vertical, the pressure gauge is on the right side instead of the left, and the triggers are different. The most noticeable difference is that the SP-8 has a milsim body, designed to mimic the appearance of a Heckler & Koch XM8 assault rifle, and is designed to easily allow the addition of a stock, as well as military accessories such as bipods, tactical flashlights, or red dot sights using weaver rails. This product was designed to bring the performance of an electronic marker to scenario players who sought paintball marker with a more realistic look and feel.

SP1
The SP1 is a woodsball/scenario marker, being released in the same lineup as the Vibe, EOS, and Ion XE. It is the Vibe's woodsball counterpart (it has 7 mounting rails on its body for flashlights, laser sights and scopes), in the same way that the SP8 is the Ion's counterpart. It is also limited to 11 BPS. It uses the same internals as the Vibe, but has two different shells to protect them (an internal shell and an external "cosmetic" shell). Smart Parts claims that this marker has many possible upgrades, although most of these are limited to the guns mounting rails thus far. As with the Vibe, players whom own this marker are finding ways to shut off the Maximum Rate Of Fire limiter. With Smart Parts releasing the Blackheart in Q1 2008, the rate of fire is raised to 20 BPS. Along with that it adds anti-chop eyes.

Epiphany/EOS
The epiphany marker represents an upgraded version of the Ion. The Epiphany is a more stylized, upgraded Ion which comes with several factory enhancements out of the box, saving the user from buying the more inexpensive Ion and having to buy separate upgraded components for it over time. Besides for the obvious cosmetic difference, Epiphanies feature a metal exoskeleton and frame (with plating, to avoid threading problems), upgraded Firebolt, Freak barrel starter, integrated ASA dovetail, Q-Lock Feed Neck (Eos only), and Smartvalve ASA among other things. Internally the Epiphany also gives the user the ability to alter the marker's internal firing air volume. This is carried out by select from three different internal air volume "inserts" which are used to take up slack space in the marker's fire chamber. The smaller air space in the fire chamber can refill faster, which allows the Epiphany to fire faster without velocity drop-off when compared to the Ion and SP-8. The fire chamber inserts allow fine-tuning and adjustment that wouldn't be previously available without developing a homemade modification. The Epiphany fire chamber, inserts and valve spring are available as performance upgrades for the Ion and SP-8. Epiphanies are available in multiple colors and cost around $300.

Vibe
Vibe is the latest marker in Smart Part's low cost lineup, as it was released at the same time as the SP1, the EOS, and the Ion XE. It is an electropneumatic marker operating at approximately 180 PSI, similar to that of the Ion. It is also extremely inexpensive for an electropneumatic marker and can be bought for $140. It does not include eyes, instead having a low force bolt. With the low force bolt, chopping is nearly eliminated. The newer Vibe has four firing modes: tournament lock semi-auto, semi-auto, three-shot burst, and fully automatic. The first batch of Vibes did not include these modes; because they were upgraded so soon after the release, Smart Parts would upgrade consumers' non-select fire board free of charge.

The marker weight is only 1 lb. 11 oz. The length (w/out barrel) is 8.75 in. The vibe is made of fiberglass reinforced nylon grip (frame/body) and accepts Impulse threaded barrels.

Barrels (All American, Teardrop, Flute; Freak & Freak JR.)
Smart Parts has sold their two-piece All American barrel system since 1989. This was changed in 2001 to the current version which uses a standardized thread compatible with Freak barrel backs (below). The cosmetic milling was changed on the AA barrel in 2006 (along with most other barrels from SP).

SP has sold or is currently selling several one-piece barrels, including the Progressive (stock on Impulses), Teardrop (Progressive barrel with upgraded porting), Linear barrel, and the Tactical 21" barrel (used mainly on SP8 markers).

Smart Parts' major barrel product is the Freak barrel system. This is an "insert" barrel kit, where the user selects one of a number of different-sized bore inserts to use (eight different sizes and a barrel back and barrel tip come with the full Freak kit). There are a total of nine inserts in normal sizes and a 10th one (reball sized). The aluminum boremaster set is .679, .682, .684, .687, .689, .691, .693, and .695, and the stainless boremaster set is .682, .684, .687, .689, .691, .693, .695, and .697. The insert is then installed in the back of the barrel (a two-piece barrel plus the insert, making three pieces total). The alternative to this is a "multi-bore" kit that consists of varied barrel backs for a two-piece barrel. The advantages to using an insert instead of a multi-back kit is greatly reduced price and versatility of use on more than one type of marker. The disadvantage is that inserts are more fragile (aluminium more so than the stainless) than a typical barrel back, so care must be taken. Freak barrels are available in aluminium and steel versions, compatible with both Freak and All American style fronts (varying color, length. Freak barrel backs and All American backs are compatible with the "Stiff tip" (carbon fiber tip made by STIFFI/Site Mfg.). The insert sets are compatible with white wolf airsmithing's "justice barrels" aka phantoms "Frantom", and Deadly Winds "Fiber barrel" . Freak styling was changed in 2006 along with the other SP barrels.

Apparel
In addition to equipment, Smart Parts manufactured different types of apparel, such as jerseys, pants, pod packs, barrel socks/plugs, and casual wear. Smart Parts developed customized jerseys for their sponsored teams and could also be contracted to making a team number of jerseys for private use.

Air systems
Smart Parts has continuously strived to market non-screw in type tank systems for use with their markers. These types of air systems are mounted directly to the marker and don't use a standard "screw-in" type ASA adapter. The first version of this air system was the Max-Flo manifold in 1999, which continued until mid/late 2003. This regulator system used a large regulator and attached manifold section to operate. This was redesigned into the Max-Flo Inline in 2003, which continued until early 2006. The Max-Flo Inline was similar to the previous versions except drastically reduced in size and appearance. In 2006 SP released the Max-Flo Micro, which was their first non-adjustable tank system. The Micro version is the smallest air system to date from SP.

Smart Parts also produced an in-line ASA on/off valve (called the Smartvalve) which gives standard screw-in tanks the ability to use an on/off shutoff valve. The Smartvalve system does not include a bleed feature. The Smartvalve was also available in a CO2 tank version, giving the CO2 tank integrated shutoff capability as well.

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Paul Brill

Paul Brill is an American composer, songwriter, and producer based in Brooklyn, New York.

Brill is a three-time Emmy Award nominee who has scored feature films, television series and NPR Radio Themes, most notably: Joan Rivers: A Piece of Work, The Devil Came on Horseback, The Trials of Darryl Hunt, Freakonomics, Full Battle Rattle, Page One: Inside the New York Times, Better This World, and No Woman, No Cry, among others. Brill scored the HBO film Burma Soldier, on which he collaborated with Rock legends U2 - composing a new string arrangement for an acoustic version of their classic song, "Walk On." He won the first-ever Best Music Award at the International Documentary Awards (IDA) for his score to "Better This World" and was nominated for a Golden Reel Award for his work on the hit Netflix docu-series, Bobby Kennedy for President.

He recently made his Off-Broadway debut, composing the score for Gabriel Jason Dean's Terminus, which featured stage legend Deirdre O'Connell and premiered to great acclaim at The New York Theatre Workshop, and his music was performed and featured by Phoenix Chamber Music Society in the Spring of 2018.

His additional notable work includes the Sundance Festival-winning films Gideon's Army, Trapped, and Love Free or Die, and the Emmy, DuPont and Peabody Award-winning, 6-hour PBS documentary, Many Rivers to Cross: The African Americans, with noted historian Henry Louis Gates and additional musical contributions from Wynton Marsalis. He scored Abigail Disney's directorial debut, the Emmy Award-winning The Armor of Light, Liz Garbus' Peabody Award-winning HBO documentary A Dangerous Son, and wrote the Theme and incidental music for the Peabody Award-winning NPR Podcast, Believed.

His recordings of original songwriting have been hailed as "stunning" by Paste magazine and "A testament to the enduring potency of classical pop songwriting," by Pitchfork Media. In addition to composing films and television specials for HBO, Showtime, History, A&E, National Geographic, SundanceTV and MTV, Brill is the ongoing composer for the popular A&E series The First 48, now in its 17th season. In 2001, he founded Scarlet Shame Records, a small record label that has released recordings by The Wingdale Community Singers, The Flying Change, Amber Rubarth and his own records.

Brill also owns and operates a recording and production studio, Sterling Society Social Club in Brooklyn, New York.

He is currently developing a new theatrical musical/libretto ballet/operetta/animated film based on his recent release, The Cost of Believing.

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Talk:Ukrainian shah

Shahiv sounds like the genitive case used to describe an amount, to me (e.g., ...triokh shahiv, "...of three shahs"). Wouldn't the simple plural describing them as objects be shahy (as in try shahy, "three shahs")? I've never seen this word before, so I'm just guessing here. —Michael Z. 2005-06-12 22:48 Z
 * You are right. What I was thinking? My brain damage. mikka (t)

Transliteration
шаг -> Shah: this may be confusing for those who know Russian and expect to see "shag" instead. See Ge (Cyrillic), a remark for Ukrainian language. mikka (t)

Merge section "Postal stamps" → "Ukrainian shah"
I believe that we should merge the section "Postal stamps" of this article into "Ukrainian shah" article. The shah article mentions that "shahs" were used in Ukrainian People's Republic and West Ukrainian National Republic, and it would make more sence to have the text in one article, instead of in two separate ones. Any thoughts? —dima/s-ko/ 23:52, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

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Oliphant Chuckerbutty

Soorjo Alexander William Langobard Oliphant Chuckerbutty (6 October 1884 – 5 September 1960), also known as Wilson Oliphant, was an English organist and composer, who was equally well known as a church organist and a cinema organist.

He was the grandson of the Indian medical professor Soorjo Coomar Goodeve Chuckerbutty (c.1826–1874).

Life and career
Chuckerbutty was born in Paddington, London. He began playing the piano at six, and was composing by 14. He was taught piano technique by Julius Epstein. From 1908 to 1914 he was deputy to E. T. Cook as organist of Southwark Cathedral. In 1909 he graduated as Bachelor of Music at the University of London. In the same year he became organist and choirmaster of Holy Trinity, Paddington, a post that he held until 1948. He was made a Fellow of the Royal College of Organists.

In 1914 Chuckerbutty had his first song, "An Old Song", published by Boosey. Immediately after the First World War he started a dance band and ran it for several months, after which he began a career as a cinema organist, running in tandem with his church work. He joined the musical staff of the Angel, Islington in 1920, and played there until 1927, after which he held other similar posts at, among other venues, the Café Royal, Regent Street; Shoreditch Olympia; the Ritz, Edgware; the Carlton, Essex Road; the New Gallery and the Forum, Kentish Town. While at the Café Royal he made numerous records on the Aeolian Organ there.

In the early 1930s Chuckerbutty made Holy Trinity a well-known centre of music, with frequent performances of choral and orchestral music, both old and new. He and guest organists gave regular recitals on what The Musical Times described as "the fine Norman and Beard organ" there. The instrument featured an innovation designed by Chuckerbutty: the black notes on the pedals had the raised part both forward and backward, and so could be played with either heel or toe.

Chuckerbutty's final church appointment was at St Mary Oatlands, Weybridge, where he served for eight years, retiring due to ill health in 1956.

Works
Chuckerbutty's works include "The Angelus" (piano), "Fauns and Satyrs" (orchestra), "Fiesta Argentina" (orchestra), "Pæan – A Song of Triumph" (organ), "Queen's Procession March" (organ), "A Southern Night" (piano), "Souvenir d'amour" (violin and piano), "Still in Dreams I See Her" (song), "The voice in the storm" (song) and "Vision (violin and orchestra).

Writings
Chuckerbutty contributed several articles and letters to The Musical Times. Among his subjects were the orchestration of light classical music, the ignorance among music critics about good or bad organ playing, and – spread across three issues – a wide-ranging survey of the work of the cinema organist.

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Snoek (surname)

Snoek is a Dutch surname. Meaning "pike" in Dutch, it may be a metaphorical name or metonymic occupational surname (referring to a fisherman). However, in Zeeland Snoek was also a common given name in the Middle Ages and the name may be patronymic in origin. Varian forms are Snoeck and Snoeks. People with the surname include:

 * Andries Snoek (1766–1829), Dutch tragedy actor
 * Hans Snoek (1910–2001), Dutch dancer, choreographer and ballet director
 * (1902–1950), Dutch physicist and crystallographer, known e.g. for the
 * (1896–1981), Dutch track cyclist
 * Hendrik Snoek, German show jumper and businessman
 * Paul Snoek (1933–1981), Belgian poet

Snoeck

 * (1885–1946), Dutch violinist and conductor
 * (1834–1898), Belgian collector of musical instruments
 * Henri Snoeck (fl. 1920), Belgian Olympic wrestler
 * Jan Snoeck (1927–2018), Dutch sculptor and ceramist

Snoeks

 * Daniel Snoeks (born 1994), Australian model and television personality in Korea
 * Jiske Snoeks (born 1978), Dutch field hockey player
 * Kelvin Snoeks (born 1987), Dutch racing driver

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User talk:Larsmars

Larsmars aka Lars Henning, the son of Eric and Bonnie Henning, lives in London, UK. He was born 23 June 1980. He enjoys Haggen Dazs.

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List of school districts in Delaware

This is a complete list of school districts in the US state of Delaware.

Public school districts

 * Appoquinimink School District
 * Brandywine School District
 * Caesar Rodney School District
 * Cape Henlopen School District
 * Capital School District
 * Christina School District
 * Colonial School District
 * Delmar School District
 * Indian River School District
 * Lake Forest School District
 * Laurel School District
 * Milford School District
 * New Castle County Vocational-Technical School District (County-wide overlay school district)
 * Polytech School District (County-wide overlay school district)
 * Red Clay Consolidated School District
 * Seaford School District
 * Smyrna School District
 * Sussex Technical School District (County-wide overlay school district)
 * Woodbridge School District

Direct state schools

 * Delaware School for the Deaf/Margaret S. Sterck School (Operated under contract to the Christina School District)
 * Ferris School (Operated by state Youth Rehabilitative Services)
 * First State School (Operated under contract to Christiana Care Health System)
 * George Washington Carver Vocational School (Closed in 1953)
 * James H. Groves Adult High School (Operated directly by state Department of Education)

Historical Districts
Prior to 1968, there were 50 school districts in the state. This changed to 26 in 1969. In 1978 the New Castle County School District formed from 11 school districts in that county; however in 1981 it was divided into four school districts. Since 1981 Delaware has 19 school districts. In 2009 there were proposals to change the number of districts to three, one per county, to save costs, although various parents in the state preferred having local school districts so individual communities could have more influence over education.

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Needlerun net

Needlerun net is a family of laces created by using a needle to embroider on a net ground.

Along with Tambour lace this became more popular with the advent of machine made netting.

It is used in Limerick lace.

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William Herbert York

William Herbert "Lum" York (November 16, 1918 – August 15, 2004) was a country musician best known as the bass player in the Hank Williams backing band The Drifting Cowboys.

Biography
York was a native of Elmore, Alabama.

From 1944 until 1949, he was a member of Hank Williams's backing band The Drifting Cowboys as its double bass player. He began playing with Lefty Frizzell's band in 1952 and later played with musicians including Marty Robbins and George Morgan (singer).

During the 1960s and 1970s, he played at the Old South Jamboree. In 1986, he played at the Smithsonian Folklife Festival. After a heart attack forced him to stop playing the double bass, York began playing the spoons from 1998 onwards, playing alongside Hank Williams Jr., Hank Williams III and Jett Williams.

York died of heart disease on August 15, 2004 in Baton Rouge.

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Talk:Qena Governorate

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it seems that the name is written kina, look at http://www.kena.gov.eg/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.244.77.100 (talk • contribs)

In December 7, 2009, the cities of Armant and Esna were separated from Qena Governorate and attached to Luxor Governorate. Me002eg (talk) 15:35, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I see that and removed them from this page.--the eloquent peasant (talk) 01:17, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

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Shasta language

The Shasta language is an extinct Shastan language formerly spoken from northern California into southwestern Oregon. It was spoken in a number of dialects, possibly including Okwanuchu. By 1980, only two first language speakers, both elderly, were alive. Today, all ethnic Shasta people speak English as their first language. According to Golla, there were four distinct dialects of Shasta:

 * Ikirakácˑu (Oregon Shasta)
 * Iruhikwáˑcˑu (Klamath River Shasta)
 * Uwáˑtuhúcˑu (Scott Valley Shasta)
 * Ahútˑireˀeˑcˑu (Shasta Valley Shasta)

Consonants
The length of a consonant distinguishes meaning in Shasta words. All stops, fricatives and nasals can occur as long or short in Shasta, but approximants /r j w/ only occur as short consonants. Minimal pairs and near minimal pairs are shown below:

 * /t͡ʃákàráx/ a gnat vs. /t͡sàkːírʔ/ a board
 * /ʔátʼùʔ/ nothing vs. /ʔátʼːùʔ/ wild sunflower
 * /ʔìsíkʼːàʔ/ a person vs. /ʔìsːíkʼ/ cold

Vowels
Shasta has four vowels,, with contrastive length, and two tones: high and low.

Orthography
Silver (1966) devised a spelling system for distinguishing consonants and vowels in Shasta. Long phonemes are represented with the symbol ⟨ˑ⟩ following the character (e.g. ⟨cˑ⟩ and ⟨eˑ⟩ for/ t͡sː/ and /eː/, respectively); ejectives are indicated by an apostrophe written over the character (e.g. ⟨p̓⟩ for /pʼ/). The phoneme is represented by $⟨y⟩$, and the glottal stop /ʔ/ is represented by the superscript IPA symbol ⟨ˀ⟩. The letters ⟨b d f g j l q v z⟩ are not used to represent Shasta sounds.

Tones
Shasta vowels can have low or high tones. High tones are marked by an acute accent ⟨′⟩ in the orthography devised by Silver (1966), whereas low tones are left unmarked. Examples for the vowel /u/ are given below:

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fite attaq

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was DELETE. Golbez 06:41, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

Fite attaq
Seems like a neologism of some sort. Returns no hits on google and hence no verafiability. Sasquatch′↔Talk↔Contributions 22:58, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Any faith I may have had is destroyed by the reference to Napoleon Dynamite... Now I'm convinced this is a hoax. Delete. Sasquatch′↔Talk↔Contributions 23:47, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

This Is a game
 * Accept. Perhaps it is a game that needs to have its start, hopefully on this wiki. Google doesnt own the internet(not that the internet can be owned), nor does it cache ALL the pages of the internet. the Fite Attaq page doesn't defy any of the "what wikipedia is not" rules, and therefore deserves its few Kilobytes of space. DeltaZ113
 * Yes, it does. Wikipedia is not a soapbox.  Giving a game "a start, hopefully on this wiki", is not the purpose of an encyclopaedia.  Wikipedia is not a promotional vehicle or an advertizing billboard.  You undoubtedly have your own web pages.  If you want to publish the rules of a new game that you have invented, use them.  Delete. Uncle G 00:19, 2005 Jun 13 (UTC)
 * Delete; WP:NOT soapbox, indiscriminate collection of information, crystal ball. -- Jonel 00:12, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC) DeltaZ113
 * Please Explain how this is a Crystal Ball or an indiscriminate collection of Information DeltaZ113
 * It's a crystal ball article because you suggest that it "needs to have its start", thus saying that the game is not notable now but will be in the future. It's an indiscriminate collection of information article because it's a game made up by two people lacking last names.  I could create six more such games tonight. -- Jonel 01:35, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, notability not established. Mr Bound 23:33, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, Zero google hits, and if spelt correctly only 770 non-relevant google hits. Jimbobsween 01:44, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete notability not established. JamesBurns 05:08, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages.  Please do not edit this page .