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User talk:Kevin Baas/Archive4

/scratch
I was looking at your user page and I was curious what the /scratch page was? You will have to forgive me, I don't know anything about math.--The_stuart 18:56, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

congradulations
way to find sources, but whats the point in posting them in my user talk? do you want a cookie or something?--The_stuart 04:47, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hope to see you on IRC sometime... -- RyanFreisling @ 18:27, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

US Electoral rules
Kevin, I don't know whether you've already read the federal election rules - if not, they're not too long. The ones related to the conduct of the presidential election are contained in the US constitution at Article II and Amendments XII, and in Title 3 of the United States Code. You will note that at this stage, it is (at least technically) possible to rescind certification of the electoral votes, but not to replace them with other votes, and that if Bush does not receive 271 votes, the issue goes to the House - and there's no doubt what the House would decide here. Kind regards, jguk 11:12, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * "Hope is a state of mind, not of the world. Hope, in this deep and powerful sense, is not the same as joy that things are going well, or willingness to invest in enterprises that are obviously heading for success, but rather an ability to work for something because it is good." - Vaclav Havel: 1st democratically elected president, Czech Republic
 * Jguk - just because Bush is assured of a 2nd term does not mean the suppression and manipulation of the vote didn't happen. A lie is a lie, whether you believe the lie or not. -- RyanFreisling @ 20:46, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * "The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; a quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two-thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice-President."

 * 14th amendment: "Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State." Kevin Baas | talk 03:16, 2004 Dec 20 (UTC)

 * Most of those bolded bits have been amended (mostly amendments 12, 15, 19, and 26). -- Cyrius|✎ 04:28, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Thank you, Cyrius.

 * 12th Amendment: "The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate; -- the President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted; -- The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. [And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President. --]* The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."

 * 15th Amendment: "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."

 * 19th Amendment: "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.'"

 * 26th Amendment: "The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age."

 * Kevin, you also need to check Title 3 of the United States Code vis-à-vis electors. Kind regards, jguk 08:43, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I checked it out. Thanks. Kevin Baas | talk 13:18, 2004 Dec 20 (UTC)

There are two possibilities:
 * OH's Electoral votes are thrown out and an alternate set of Electors convened on the grounds that the Electors' votes do not represent the 'will of the people' (it's in the OH State Constitution, but this is astronomically unlikely). Nonetheless, a case was brought Monday before the Electoral vote and is in OH Supreme Court.
 * or, more likely but still un-, It's in the hands of the GOP-majority House and Senate. If a Senator and Congressman contest the OH results, then the Senate (I think, or maybe the entire House, I'll check) votes on the eligibility of the OH Electoral votes, and if a majority votes (unlikely in the GOP-majority) they can either choose an alternate set of electors from OH or invalidate OH's Electoral votes (which would leave Bush at 261, less than 270 but still enough to win the Presidency under these special circumstances). -unsigned. was this ryan? Kevin Baas | talk 13:26, 2004 Dec 20 (UTC)

 * Yep! Sorry for not signing-- RyanFreisling @ 17:07, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Ryan, this info would be usefull for Moss v. Bush, esp. the first bullet. Can you cite the relevant sections of the Ohio Constitution?  If alternative electors can be appointed, that would be compatible with the U.S. Constitution. Kevin Baas | talk 17:20, 2004 Dec 20 (UTC)

 * I don't have the time to find the legal citation, but the reason for Moss v. Bush is that the Chief Justice, and ultimately on appeal the full OH Supreme Court, has the power to let the election stand, declare another winner, or throw out the result, forcing a recount or even a new vote. The election results can be voided by the judicial if found to be fraudulent, whether prior or after certification in Columbus.
 * Here's the out-take from the suit: 'The petitioners ask for a hearing and ask the court “to determine that the number of votes affected by the irregularities identified herein are sufficient to declare the Kerry-Edwards ticket the winner of Ohio’s electoral votes” and further that “the certificates of election to the Bush-Cheney electors be canceled” or, “in the alternative, that such irregularities, errors, frauds, and mistakes make the results of the election so uncertain that the Court should order the results of the election be set aside.”
 * -- RyanFreisling @ 18:48, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Good source Link
http://www.wishtv.com/Global/category.asp?C=49590&nav=0Ra7JXq2

Law resources

 * However, as late as 1914, Ohio apparently provided for a commission to hear contests involving presidential electors. See Link v. Karb , 104 N.E. 632, 638 (Ohio 1914) (“For instance, the contest of an election of an *elector* of the President of the United States shall be heard before a commission consisting of the Governor and four judges of the circuit courts, to be appointed by the Governor; the judgment of this commission is final. ”).

 * Outcome Allegation - Because the petition must allege the elements of an election contest, the petition should include allegations that because of the irregularities, enough ballots were affected that the result of the election was incorrect or uncertain. A contest petition fails to state a cause of action for contest of an election if it does not allege that the contestee did not receive the largest number of votes or that there was sufficient error, fraud, or mistake in the tabulation of the ballots to taint the result. See Cooper v. Kosling, 94 N.E.2d 1, 1 (Ohio 1950); cf Thompson v. Redington, 110 N.E.2d 652, 655 (Ohio 1915) (petition sufficient where it avers that the contestor was duly elected to office). Complying with the required outcome allegation could prove problematic for contestors of the 2004 presidential race in Ohio where the Democratic Party is on record as saying the election outcome will not change, although the group planning to file a contest on Wednesday apparently believes that Senator Kerry would have won but for the improprieties. See James Dao & Alberto Salvato, As Questions Keep Coming, Ohio Certifies Its Vote Count, N.Y. Times, Dec. 7, 2004, available at http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/07/national/07ohio.html?ore=login. -

I can't find Link v. Karb. Link v. Karb, anyone? Kevin Baas | talk 20:29, 2004 Dec 20 (UTC)

Nothing online that I found in a quick glance, but I thought you'd like to read this.-- RyanFreisling @ 15:50, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

dKosopedia
I didn't know about this until you cited it in one of your edits. I've been looking in on Demopedia, which just started. I question whether the world needs two left-leaning political encyclopedias, but I suppose they could never work out a merger. Anyway, thanks for the tip. JamesMLane 04:32, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Legal precedent concerning electoral college votes
How Kennedy Won Hawaii Kevin Baastalk 22:44, 2004 Dec 26 (UTC)

 * excellent link. Not a direct correlation to Moss v. Bush, but excellent for framing the possibilities of '04. -- RyanFreisling @ 00:34, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Kudos
And kudos are as always due for your tireless efforts. I'll join the ranks of those awarding you the medal! -- RyanFreisling @ 06:22, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)

senate challenge
what makes you so sure that a senator is going to challenge? If you have a link, show me show me show me :) --kizzle 08:04, Jan 6, 2005 (UTC)

Death on the side
If you're interested in the issue, add a comment here about the positioning and content of the recent deaths section of current events. — Cortonin | Talk 06:42, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Timeline of election controversy, narration
Constructing narration at /timeline_election_controversy. Feel free to cooperate. Kevin Baastalk 18:10, 2005 Jan 20 (UTC)

Election Irregularities Article and Summary Status
Care to weigh in on the main talk page? -- RyanFreisling @ 03:01, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Graphic: Update or Remove?
Hey there. What do you think about the graphic ? Should it be updated to a summary, or removed from the main Irreg. article? Thanks! -- RyanFreisling @ 18:55, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

By the way - I created a new version of the main map, using an .eps file of a US Map. Take a look

... let me know if you'd like the raw materials, etc. etc., for the official 'Kevin Basspectacular' version... :) -- RyanFreisling @ 18:28, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

DeLay's Jan 6. speech
Here is the transcript. Note: I do see it in the Congressional Record here, but not in other copies I've seen recently. I will confirm, but we may want to remove that assertion until it's borne out or truly proven false.

 * I may have been partly right. I will analyse the transcript against the video and report any discreps. -- RyanFreisling @ 22:24, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

TOM DELAY Mr. DELAY. Mr. Speaker, what is happening here today is amazing but not surprising. Mr. Speaker, what we are witnessing here today is a shame. A shame. The issues at stake in this petition are gravely, gravely serious. This is not just having a debate. But the specific charges, as any objective observer must acknowledge, are not. That is because the purpose of this petition is not justice but noise. It is a warning to Democrats across the country, now in the midst of soul searching after their historic losses in November, not to moderate their party’s message. It is just the second day of the 109th Congress and the first chance of the Democrat congressional leadership to show the American people what they have learned since President Bush’s historic reelection, and they can show that, but they have turned to what might be called the ‘‘X-Files Wing’’ of the Democrat Party to make their first impression. Rather than substantive debate, Democrat leaders are still adhering to a failed strategy of spite, obstruction, and conspiracy theories. They accuse the President, who we are told is apparently a closet computer nerd, of personally overseeing the development of vote-stealing software. We are told, without any evidence, that unknown Republican agents stole the Ohio election and that its electoral votes should be awarded to the winner of an exit poll instead. Many observers will discard today’s petition as a partisan waste of time, but it is much worse than that. It is an assault against the institutions of our representative democracy. It is a threat to the very ideals it ostensibly defends. No one is served by this petition, not in the long run. And in the short term, its only beneficiaries are its proponents themselves. Democrats around the country have asked since Election Day, and will no doubt ask again today, how it came to this. The Democrat Party, the party that was once an idealistic, forward- looking, policy colossus. The New Deal, the Marshall Plan, the Great Society, the space program, civil rights. And yet today one is hard pressed to find a single positive substantive idea coming from the left. Instead, the Democrats have replaced statecraft with stagecraft, substance with style, and not a very fashionable style at that. The petitioners claim that they act on behalf of disenfranchised voters, but no such voter disenfranchisement occurred in this election of 2004 and for that matter the election of 2000. Everybody knows it. The voters know it, the candidates know it, the courts know it, and the evidence proves it. We are not here to debate evidence, but to act our roles in some scripted, insincere morality play. Now, just remember: pre-election memos revealed that Democrat campaign operatives around the country were encouraged by their high command in Washington to charge voter fraud and intimidation regardless of whether any of it occurred. Remember, neither of the Democrat candidates supposedly robbed in Ohio endorse this petition. It is a crime against the dignity of American democracy, and that crime is not victimless. The Democrat leadership came down to the floor and said this is a good debate; we ought to be having a debate on this issue. This is not a normal debate. This is a direct attack to undermine our democracy by using a procedure to undermine the constitutional election that was just held. If, as now appears likely, Democrats cry fraud and corruption every election regardless of the evidence, what will happen when one day voters are routinely intimidated, rights are denied, or, God forbid, an election is robbed? What will happen? What will happen when, God forbid, this quadrennial crying wolf so poisons our democratic processes that a similarly frivolous petition in a close election in the future is actually successful, and the American people are denied their constitutional right to choose their own President? Mr. Speaker, Democrats must find a way to rise above this self-destructive and, yes, plain destructive theory of politics for its own sake. A dangerous precedent is being set here today, and it needs to be curbed, because Democrat leaders are not just hurting themselves. By their irresponsible tactics, they hurt the House, they hurt the Nation, and they hurt rank-and-file Democrats at kitchen tables all around this country. The American people, and their ancestors who invented our miraculous system of government, deserve better than this. This petition is beneath us, Mr. Speaker; but, more importantly, it is beneath the men and women that we serve. Mr. Speaker, I urge my colleagues, both Democrat and Republican, to do the right thing. Vote ‘‘no,’’ and let us get back to the real work that the American people hired us to do.

FWIW, I do not endorse DeLay's vitriol, offensive language, ridicule, and all that other jazz. Nor do I endorse vitriol or any of the rest, at all, in a professional environment, esp. where responsibility is required, and esp. esp. in any, esp. the highest, offices of government.

Nonetheless, I want people to see these things when they happen.

Read the talk above the excerpt to see why it was posted here. Kevin Baastalk 00:02, 2005 Feb 10 (UTC)

New Mathematics Wikiportal
I noticed you've done some work on Mathematics articles. I wanted to point out to you the new Mathematics Wikiportal- more specifically, to the Mathematics Collaboration of the Week page. I'm looking for any math-related stubs or non-existant articles that you would like to see on Wikipedia. Additionally, I wondered if you'd be willing to help out on some of the Collaboration of the Week pages.

I encourage you to vote on the current Collaboration of the Week, because I'm very interested in which articles you think need to be written or added to, and because I understand that I cannot do the enormous amount of work required on some of the Math stubs alone. I'm asking for your help, and also your critiques on the way the portal is set up.

Please direct all comments to my user-talk page, the Math Wikiportal talk page, or the Math Collaboration of the Week talk page. Thanks a lot for your support! ral315 02:54, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)

Image:Exit poll small florida.jpg
Hi! Thanks for uploading Image:Exit poll small florida.jpg. I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use if you release it under the GFDL, or  if you claim fair use, etc.) If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know where you got the image and I'll tag it for you. Thanks so much, – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 19:47, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)

what's up kevin
check email. --kizzle 00:05, Feb 12, 2005 (UTC)

what's up man, I don't know if you got my e-mail, I tried again to your rockstar account. I wanted to know if you were interested in helping me write a screenplay for the 2004 Election controversies... I don't need help in the commentary part, but I basically want your help in explaining to people who have no idea about any of this in deciding what should be included and in what order. Basically, if you had 2 hours to explain to someone what went wrong in this election, what would you say? Tell me if its something you'd be interested in... the first step i'm taking is to assemble a general outline of issues to be covered in the form of questions that need to be answered, all i have is exit polls done for now....but add any vital questions you think that need to be answered. If you're not interested, just tell me to bugger off :) --kizzle 20:46, Feb 15, 2005 (UTC)

Well, I can't promise anything, except that I know that I will pitch a completed script to whoever I can get my hands on. My girlfriend's cousin is a 24-year-old ucla grad who's making a movie with willa ford, chevy chase, the dude from road trip, and got bankrolled half a million, he should be done shooting within the month... I'm going to see if he can help out after he's done with his current project. Also, she's family friends with one of the high high mucky-mucks at warner bros studios. The only other person who is into that is one of the main producers of one of those showtime series on TV... also if by any miracle I can get George Soros's media rep's phone # i know he'd be down to help out if we show him the script. Basically, I can't promise you anything except that if we get a script together within the next 2-3 months, I am going to pitch it (and you should too) to a few people. At the very least, we can transform it into an editorial and submit it to various major newspapers around the country, I guarantee SF Chronicle at the very least would pick it up. I just feel like I want, before someone else comes out with a douchebag extremist liberal version of the controversies, to try and come up with an accurate as possible account (including essential, but possibly detrimental to the argument, events, like JML says its better to admit to certain things and be true rather than mislead and leave yourself open in the future).

I personally am having fun with it, its just a way to write up the current article except be free to express your own point of view and draw conclusions through arguments rather than simply offer links and info, and seeing as we're both philosophy buffs that would be fun. But seriously, like I said, I'm only giving you an avenue to express your arguments if you want to, if you edited one word and that's it i'd be happy... I just think 2 heads are better than one :) Mainly I'm going to do the work myself, all the commentary at least and most of the issues, maybe if you see questions I don't have but should have or help fill in sources and citations for the answers, that'd be chill. --kizzle 21:38, Feb 15, 2005 (UTC)

I like your ideas, I'm still trying to come up with a sense of narrative style, and informationally speaking I completely agree with you about the "Were you born yesterday?" approach. For now, I am simply compiling questions that I would figure the audience would ask... it's a surprisingly efficient way of writing anything, I keep adding questions non-stop that both I and what I view the audience would want to know, from looking at a broad overview of the articles we've worked on. Once I have all my questions together, then maybe we can start answering them in simple, short sentences (and please add any questions you think are vital for the audience if I missed any).... we'll piece them together later when creating the narrative. I feel like if I present the material in a traditional documentary sense, it won't affect as many people. I feel like I had an epiphany recently, in that social progress became this radical thing in the 60's, but like everything else that stays around, became a cliche. By tricking the audience into learning something by making them laugh at the same time, we can rescue the original intent of social progress from the prejudicial reaction of cliche it illicits from most people (hence tree-hugger, leftist, and all those other "slurs" which used to be good things)...that's why I like the Daily Show, except this will be a bit more fact-intensive. Just a thought :) --kizzle 20:22, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)

And by the way, dude your site is awesome. If I lived near you I'd apply for a job there, I primarily work in Flash, I'm a web designer too. Guess we got both web design and philosophy in common, and both our names are Kevin... it's funny, my girlfriend thought you were my sockpuppet when she read your contribs :)--kizzle 20:26, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)

I definetely want to enable the audience to identify emotionally or personally with the narrative, so I will try to use your ideas when I start drafting the commentary... as for all those I definetely know Blackwell is going in there, and I do want to mention the rest of those as well. Just one thing at a time, I just printed out just the voting machines article so I could underline and take notes, its freakin 37 pages. Also, my knowledge of the Voting Suppression section is a little weak even with reading what we have so far, you might want to start there. --kizzle 01:08, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)

do you have MSN messenger or aim? --kizzle 01:13, Feb 19, 2005 (UTC)

k, I didn't get whether or not you actually had an aim account or not, but mine is kdavis2600 on aim and kdavis1911 on msn if you have either... catch me sometime I'm on most of the day, so we can go over some stuff in real-time and discuss your proposals :) --kizzle 01:21, Feb 19, 2005 (UTC)

i've been going crazy on the exit polls section, i read the edison/mitovsky report, freeman paper, and like 25 other articles on it, there is some seriously crazy shit with the exit polls, and its hard for me to get it all out in a logical order. If you could just look at the commentary I have so far and correct any grammar, obvious stupid errors, I'd appreciate it... I plan to put a little more in-depth to the Ukraine section after commentary is done, but I'm just trying to get onto "paper" as it were all the knowledge i've gained in the last few days, i'll clean it up later. You may know some stuff i'm not putting in yet too, and if you disagree with anything i said please point it out :). --kizzle 07:05, Feb 24, 2005 (UTC)

Archiving
You asked, "What's your archive policy?" My policy is pretty much laziness. I have thought, though, that I should archive. Thanks for the reminder. I'll tackle it... uh... soon. JamesMLane 18:19, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Killian
As you have recently demonstrated interest in this article, please see Talk:Killian_documents. Wolfman 18:43, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Dubya
Hi, Kevin. I did initially think that was directed at me and was somewhat puzzled by it. Thanks for clearing things up. As for the intro, I know you're a big contributor to the 2004 election controversies article and I think it's really turned into a good article. I just don't think that there should be so much detail in an introduction to an article. In my opinion, the Ohio irregularities are defintely important enough to be include in the main article, but not the introduction. I view the introduction as what I'd say about a subject if I was limited to about ten statements. Anyway, thanks for clarifying and keep up the good work. Carrp | Talk 22:02, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree. Expand it as much as possible elsewhere as I would like to learn more about it as well. We are going to disagree with much, but no doubt your contributions are strong.--MONGO 09:40, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * The link to a description of irregularities in the 2000 election is in the intro. It was decided by consensus that it the irregularities were significant enough to merit this attention.  That should not be changed; we should not have revisionist history on wikipedia.  If the 2004 irregularities were at least as significant as the 2000 (which they were), then they deserve, at least a link in the intro. Logic, consistency... essential ingredients of NPOV. Kevin Baastalk 15:24, 2005 Feb 25 (UTC)

 * So far, I do not see a concensus of agreement with linking any controversial discussions on Ohio election irregularities or any other state in 2004. I am opposed to revisionist history as well, but isn't that what you are advocating? The irregularities are not as persuasive as you are thinking....I think you forget how much time the media spent bombarding us about Florida in 2000...they did this because there was a definitive question of who won....broken chads, disenfranchisement, realocations, miscounts, recounts, voter fraud, exit polls to actual vote discrepencies, officials being bought off, political favoritisms, brother was governor, Harris....oh the list is endless....Ohio raises questions, but nothing compared to Florida 2000.--MONGO 18:00, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * We are not discussing an article about the media. Kevin Baastalk 19:00, 2005 Feb 25 (UTC)

Decentralization (postmodern definition)
Hi, I should have informed you beforehand, but for some reason it slipped my mind. I put the article you started Decentralization (postmodern definition) on VfD (you can access it at Votes for deletion/Decentralization (postmodern definition)). I'm just letting you know because I generally don't like to see articles deleted, so I wanted to give you a chance to improve it or argue for its inclusion. Basically, I threw it on VfD because I don't think it currently meets wikipedia guidelines for style (the use of "we" and similar constructions), and it reads like original research rather than established knowledge or theory. Cheers! -Seth Mahoney 23:52, Feb 23, 2005 (UTC)

 * I choose, without comment or prejudice, to let the community decide these matters. Thanks for the notice.  Cheers! Kevin Baastalk 15:38, 2005 Feb 25 (UTC)

 * Fascinating stuff, just not written in article form, pity it got deleted though. Where can I find more info?--kizzle 19:00, Mar 10, 2005 (UTC)

Election Incidents Image
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changes
I don't know if you saw, but I posted on Ryan's page that Freeman is going to look at the exit polls section this weekend, so if you have any changes you might want to make them before then :). --kizzle 18:42, Mar 10, 2005 (UTC)

KB, where you been all my life... haven't seen you around in a while :) --kizzle 21:03, Mar 11, 2005 (UTC)

 * Cute. I've got other priorities - like I need a new job or else I die.  I have printouts w/corrections a couple miles away.  I'll try to get down there tonight. Kevin Baastalk 23:01, 2005 Mar 11 (UTC)

 * good luck with the job search. I'm going to be in the same situation on Monday, paying rent with no job and hardly any savings. --kizzle 01:10, Mar 12, 2005 (UTC)

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Locals & speling
Just thought I ought to drop a little note, I fixed one of the "Fiengold" typos at your open letters to my congressman page. I almost went and fixed the duplicate typos too, but then I realized that you're quoting letters already written, so that should be left as is, perhaps with an optional "(sic)". Anyway, I guess we have a couple of Congressmen in common, though I'd have to move a few blocks to be blessed *cough* by having Sensenbrenner as my Rep. Hi from the East Side, and hope Kennedy can make things happen next year. --John Owens (talk) 00:15, 2005 Mar 19 (UTC)

New Mathematics Project Participants List
Hi Kevin.

In case you didn't follow the discussion on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics, I'm writing to you to let you know that I've converted the "WikiProject Mathematics Participants List" into a table. It is now alphabetical, includes links to the participant's talk page and contribution list, and has a field for "Areas of Interest". Since your name is on the list, I thought you might want to check and/or update your entry.

Regards, Paul August ☎ 21:21, Mar 19, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments on my talk page. I see that Silverback has posted a lengthy response, though I believe much of what he has to say is simply irrelevant (because I don't dispute it). Preparing my reply would take time. He also seems to be disputing the report itself, which I think is inappropriate because Wikipedia allows for inclusion of things such as the PIPA study provided they have been reported by the news (have become newsworthy) or published in a peer review journal. The PIPA report satisfies both criteria, so I would not allow him to remove it at a later date (he removed it twice before). I also note that he might have committed a few errors with respect to the details of the report. I don't happen to be familiar with the statistical methods of the report (eg. logistc regression analysis), and I'm not sure if Silverback is familiar either. I'll probably need some help with regard to this. Ethereal 09:10, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)

Fox News
Kevin I have left the temporary header in case it also would make it easier for you to read or edit, the section was getting cumbersome. Please feel free to remove it if that is what you prefer. I think I have responded to your points. take care, --Silverback 06:54, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Kevin, at the moment, I have a problem with uploading a .doc file to Wikipedia. Within it is more statisical data sent by PIPA to me via email on their study. I'm not sure how to upload files to Wikipedia and am hoping you could show me how. Ethereal 04:56, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Okay, I'll email the .doc file to you. I just need all those who are active on the discussion over at FOX News article to know the real statistics which PIPA did not include (esp Silverback who for some reason keeps claiming without evidence that PIPA is biased)  What is your email? Ethereal 15:40, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Arbitration
Kevin, I saw your "Request for arbitration" regarding User:Haypo. He's already been blocked indefinitely as a vandal. Joyous 00:43, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)

Requests for adminship/Chamaeleon
Sorry to intrude, but if it's not too much trouble, and you have an opinion on the matter, I'd very much appreciate it if you could make a little comment on Requests for adminship/Chamaeleon.

Sorry again if I've bothered you. Chamaeleon 15:48, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hi Kevin
I just wanted to pop in and introduce myself since we accidentally banged heads over the Declaration. I took a look at your interests and I am not interested in blog fights, but, I can tell you that I am not on your other side as you might interpret it politically. That being a relief, perhaps we can work on our common interest in the Declaration together? MPLX/MH 22:00, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

comments on Zen-master talk page
Hi Kevin - just a quick reply to your comments - You say "just powers..." which I completely agree with (as a Lockean). However, the logical conclusion is that Saddam's regime was not sovereign, and that its behaviour towards the people of Iraq constitutes a casus belli by itself. "self-sovereignty & self-determination" does not mean an indigenous tyrant, rather it means a consensual system of government, which is precisely what we are working to set up. "the people of a soviergn nation have the right to erect whatever form of government" - not quite true, in particular they may not erect a government that unjustly deprives some of them of basic human rights. Even if a tyranny (or, as you suggest, a theocracy) is initially set up with popular support (Nazi Germany comes to mind), that does not in any way make it sovereign, because sovereignty always resides in the whole of the people and may not be surrendered, even voluntarily. "as a practical consideration" - that is dangerously close to being racist. It is not a new sentiment, in fact after the surrender of Japan many people including McArthur thought that the "Oriental mind" was too immature for democracy. This kind of thinking is just as wrong now as it was then. On another topic, your comments on the influence of economics on political forms are well taken, however a degree of centralization does not necessarily imply a brutal military dictatorship. Also, have you considered that it works both ways? There are countries which have oil in abundance, yet it is only a small part of their (thriving) economy, precisely because of their political system. Then again there are countries without any oil or other resources that are more prosperous than most of their oil-rich neighbours. ObsidianOrder 02:47, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

i would say rather (rather than "precisely because") that their economic and political systems are mutuallly reinforcing. and economic centralization leads also to "organized crime", but it is not really "crime" from the first-person perspective; it is the normal modus operandi of the system (in part because of the unquestioned and distribution of (self-sustaining) power.) But you missed my point. my point was that the inter-strata dynamics must be considered in order to understand the pliability of the system at different points of it - that a military solution is usually not the best solution, if it indeed is a solution. As Sun Tzu said "the best way to win a war is without fighting", and "deal with large problems when they are small" for instance, the United States shouldn't have given saddam all those tanks and weapons back in the 1980's in the first place. Kevin Baastalk 14:58, 2005 Apr 16 (UTC)

"all those tanks and weapons" - actually the vast majority of Saddam's weapons were Soviet, French and Chinese. . "US armed Saddam" is a myth, unfortunately often repeated without checking the facts. A pretty detailed history shows that the US tried to play both sides in the Iraq-Iran war, that there was considerable in-fighting in the US government as to which side to back, and that what the Iraqis utlimately received was intelligence information, and some dual-use items (mostly after the war). ObsidianOrder 06:53, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * The point about the U.S. arming Saddam in the 80s and 90s is about chemical weapons mainly. The U.S. at the very least knew gassing was happening and acquiesced (if not supplied directly).  zen master    T  07:02, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree that some of the items related to bio and chemical weapons that the US provided to Saddam are outrageous (the people who made that decision must have gone seriously Cold-War-crazy), but there isn't any evidence that those were ever successfully developed into useable weapons (not for lack of trying). However, that's even more of a reason to clean up after our own mess. ObsidianOrder 07:11, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * The Iraq invasion and occupation doesn't look like any sort of clean up operation to me. zen master   T  08:17, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Cleaning up after your own mess usually involves admitting that it is your mess. When you defer the blame, it is still a form of cleaning, yes, but more akin to white-washing than atonement. Perhaps, what's more important is that we learn from our mistakes, if we can't, then all the cleaning in the world won't stop things from getting messy.  If we can learn from our mistakes, then there will be fewer messes to clean. The first step in the process of learning is acknowledgement, and this requires humbleness.  Furthermore, only with humbleness can one choose to not do something when one's feelings and intuition (which arrogance legitimizes) would have them do it. That is more essential.  All knowledge and advice is for naught if not used; all action is futile if no knowledge directs it. Kevin Baastalk: new 01:54, 2005 May 17 (UTC)

Talk:God
Are you sure that you want to use the word "pimp" in the context of a discussion of the attributes of God? It's gratuitous: You do not go on and discuss sacred prostitution or anything of that sort. It's provocative, yes, but it's a red herring and could derail rational discussion. It also betrays POV on your part, no? Perhaps a different term could make the point you want without introducing extraneous matters and concerns. You are making some interesting claims; but it seems to me that your thinking/perspective/ on and interpretation of the meaning of the "omni-"  words is closer to a neo-classical/process theology than it is to the classical theological position. In your discussion of "ontological qualifiers" you also avoid the word that doesn't fit your interpretation "omniscience"...  "Omniscience" is not considered to be knowledge "in" all things, but rather knowledge "of" all things. The classical position also asserts all of the "omni-s" of God. Therefore it is only reasonable to understand them in their superlative state: "Omnipotent omniscience" is not some watered-down neoclassical concept. I suggest that you work the position out some more, articulate it fully and connect it with some actual philosophers, perhaps Alfred North Whitehead, Charles Hartshorne, Ray Griffin, John Cobb, Marjorie Suchocki, et al... That would be an interesting addition to our Wikipedia, one that I'd look forward to reading. Emyth 12:58, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * Well then, if the theologians don't know latin, they shouldn't use latin words. Kevin Baastalk 15:52, 2005 Apr 19 (UTC)

 * And if my allusion to the worship of diety as a displacement of male's desire for sexual potency, the diety epitomizing sexual potency (having created the universre, for instance), as a biological-psychological explanation for the existence of religion, and it's particular manifestation (a question philosopher have puzzled over for centuries), is too much for people, then perhaps they need to step back from it emotionally, until they can take a more objective, critical approach. Kevin Baastalk 15:57, 2005 Apr 19 (UTC)

 * oh, and btw, sacred prostitution.

 * because censorship makes people smarter.

 * While we're on the subject of sacred prostitution, did you know that the virgin mary was a slut? "Virgin" back then, did not mean what it meant today.  "virgin" meant un-"owned" woman.  it had no implication that the women had never had sex.  what was surprising about her being a version, is not "immaculate conception", but that her son was a bastard.  also, back then, it was much more taboo; socially unacceptable for a woman to have sex out of wedlock.  they were unmarriable - they were "ruined".  they were stigmatized moreso than they are today.  so there's the mystery behind "immaculate conception".  the answer lies in etymology, and the church covering up something that was stigmatized. Kevin Baastalk 16:07, 2005 Apr 19 (UTC)

Whoa, now, calm down Kevin Baas... Latin? Who's using Latin? Every word I wrote is good English. Perhaps some have Latin roots, but it is English. It is a linguistic fact that loan words from Latin may develope and take additional, even different meanings once they are accepted into English. It is sophmoric to restrict English usage based on Latin lexicology. Etymologies, while fascinating, instructive, interesting and informative, are NOT the answer... The Meaning of Life, the Universe and all that is not so simple.

 * It is important that the interpretations of theological statements do not become distorted by historical shifts, such as changes in etymology regarding "omni-" or "virgin". that is the point that i was trying to make.  the point is that the original meaning of these things are what is in question, and it is important to preserve them so that a person or a gropu of people (such as an institution or an establishment) cannot change an argument, premise, or assertion that has been shown to be flawed to avoid acknowledging that flaw. Kevin Baastalk 18:20, 2005 Apr 19 (UTC)

Your "allusion" calling God a "pimp" doesn't work if you have to write a paragraph of jargon and two-bit words to explain it... No one will know what you are talking about and merely dismiss you as a bore (if they don't revert your work and go on to ban you...) That sort of provocation does not produce thoughtful work on the Wikipedia. I was merely asking you in good faith if that was really what you wanted to do. But you go on and continue in that vein, making apparent your POV.

 * I am not discussing my POV. I am making a point that avoiding topic areas because they are stigmatized or taboo, is an obstacle to critical thinking and getting at the truth of the matter. The taboo-ness or lack of taboo-ness regarding a pattern of sexual behavior does not affect the antropological probabilities, and so neither should it affect the references to such possibilities in a discussion. So, neither, does the degree to which a particular interpretation of a word such as "omni-" supports or does not support a given argument, affect the validity of that interpretation. Kevin Baastalk 18:20, 2005 Apr 19 (UTC)

No, I don't know that Mary the mother of Jesus of Nazareth was a "slut"... I do know that that is one of many divergent theories about her and I recognize  your explanation of "Virgin" as just one of the trendy and popular fads going around about Mary  - and it doesn't particularly bother me. Scholars know that there is something odd about Jesus' birth/parentage and so your calling him a "bastard" doesn't upset me either. Do you know the theories about Mary being raped by a Roman soldier? That's a real old one... But it's neither here nor there as far as the God article goes. There could be an appropriate spot to go into that stuff...could be interesting...But it's really tangential our discussion.

 * Actually, the most trendy and popular fad is also the wildest theory: immaculate conception. I won't call scholarly research "fad" insofar as it is scholarly research; records and historical evidence are not ephemereal.

I really thought that you might have had some good ideas that would be useful in the God article: See how I interpreted your thought in neo-classical, process theological terms...  However, you have shown that you have an ax to grind against traditional Christianity. I am not a Christian myself, and am interested in the God article from a post-Christian perspective. Your particularizing of God to merely a Christian concept does not interest me and seems to be derailing the discussion. Please reconsider the direction in which this seems to be going. All the best, Emyth 17:06, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * I see that you are reading too much of your own suspicions into what I say, and I do not appreciate being a straw man and a victim of bad faith. Kevin Baastalk 18:20, 2005 Apr 19 (UTC)

re:communism vandal
umm, ok? --Boothy443 | comhrÚ 23:32, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

i noticed you gave him a warning, i assumed thus that you could, wanted to make sure you got the vandal. Kevin Baastalk 23:34, 2005 Apr 25 (UTC)

 * i am aware of how to do things, thank you. --Boothy443 | comhrÚ 23:35, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

no offense intended. i am not aware of if you were aware of the continued vandalism. there is no way for me to tell if you banned him, or if there is, i don't know. i'm assuming from your response that you did. thanks, we all appreciate it. :) Kevin Baastalk 23:39, 2005 Apr 25 (UTC)

 * none taken, i dont have adminstrative powers btw, i am just a person who is not to privy to yobish activity and such or something like that. --Boothy443 | comhrÚ 23:42, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Wondering if maybe people of our persuasion (literate) might form a kind of association - for keeping track of pov debates from a particular perspective. -SV|t 14:00, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

what was wrong with the 2003 in U.S. Iraq War?
It's more specific as U.S. Iraq War 2003 Why did you revert it? People will confuse it with gulf war I. zen master    T  06:38, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * move isn't workig it says the form won't submit. So I did a manual move.  i made it more specific, adding "2003" & "U.S.": 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq.  I don't think anyone will confuse this, and it's back to the status quo, with the exception of u.s. being added.  now we can discuss terms used to describe the war and moving, and build consensus. Kevin Baastalk: new 06:43, 2005 Apr 30 (UTC)

 * You have to delete the redirect page I think (when moving it back). Note that your manual move lost all the history so we or someone will need to clean that up. Also note that I think there are double redirects in effect, the current root name for the article is 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq (no redirects for this title, though there could be a title fork [duplicated articles] perhaps).  zen master    T  06:47, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I made sure there were no forks. and i know there'll be some clean up once whatever was wrong is fixed.  The history should be on the U.S. Iraq War 2003 article.  What worries me is that I don't know where archive2 went (nor the other archives that were lost when i came here) Kevin Baastalk: new 06:53, 2005 Apr 30 (UTC)

 * The history is lost, that is bad. U.S Iraq War 2003 is actually a redirect to 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq (which is where it was for a while so probably should just stay there [but it's there already so everything is ok except for lost history], invasion can mean good or bad I suppose).  zen master    T  06:58, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * []

 * Ok, that history shows up but this one doesn't (and technically U.S. Iraq War 2003 redirects to this article 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq which is confusing) zen master    T  07:12, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * that's because that history is the history i refered to above.

For the record I had made two attempts to contact an administrator before copying and pasting: (1)(2).

the current pages can be copied to a buffer and deleted, the page with the history) moved to it, and the buffer copied back in. Kevin Baastalk: new 07:17, 2005 Apr 30 (UTC)

This is an absolute shambles. Please don't move things by cutting and pasting them. I'm going to attempt to fix it all now. violet/riga (t) 10:00, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * From what I can tell you were trying to undo a move by Stevertigo. You were certainly correct to do so, but not by copy/paste moves.  I think it's sorted now. violet/riga (t) 11:03, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks. Kevin Baastalk: new 00:34, 2005 May 1 (UTC)

"Conquest of Iraq"
Conquest of Iraq has 21,500 google matches yet you claimed the term is insignificant? (you errantly mentioned google as justification too) zen master    T  18:51, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * please compare with google matches of other terms. Kevin Baastalk: new 21:25, 2005 Apr 30 (UTC)

 * But you claimed it wasn't notable, 21,500 is notable. zen master    T  22:21, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * George W. Bush purportedly won the popular vote by over 3.5 million votes. Do you think that this is notable? Kevin Baastalk: new 00:30, 2005 May 1 (UTC)

Conspiracy theories
I don't watch television, so I don't understand your point about Fox News. Jayjg (talk) 07:21, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
 * From what I can tell, they're all pretty biased. Jayjg (talk) 07:25, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
 * But I haven't been referring to press, you brought them up. Jayjg (talk) 07:37, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
 * You said the following on zen's talk page:  As for what is "encyclopedic", I simply note that Encarta refers to the Protocols of the Elders of Zions as an "anti-Semitic conspiracy theory".  and ...with noting which views are majority and which are minority. Conspiracy theories fall into the latter group, and can (and should) be characterized as such.. From this, and the fact that zen already told you that the theory is one of complicity not conspiracy, i gathered that you wanted to call it a "conspiracy theory" because you believed it was a minority view, and this was the right thing to characterize (in contrast to note) that, because that's what encarta did with a different article (which may be a theory about a conspiracy, rather than a complicity). Kevin Baastalk: new 07:43, 2005 May 2 (UTC)
 * It is a conspiracy theory (actually a series of conspiracy theories) about domestic complicity. Jayjg (talk) 16:32, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

 * don't you think that that's a little convoluted? Is it a theory of conspiracy to be complicit?  Because then it would just be a theory of conspiracy.  Is it a theory of complicity in a conspiracy?  Because then it would just be a theory of complicity.  19:14, 2005 May 2 (UTC)
 * Actually, the meaning is pretty obvious. Jayjg (talk) 19:30, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

 * The literal meaning is not. the social, derogatory meaning, canalyzed, by right-wing "active public perception influencers", is inapproriate.  ad hominem attacks and appeal to ridicule do not belong in titles of wikipedia articles.  "radical left-wing conspiracy theorists" who belong in the "x-filed" according to people like Tom DeLay (User_talk:Kevin_baas), like senator Barbara Boxer, senator Russ Fiengold, congressman John Conyers, congresswoman and former Judge Stephanie Tubbs Jones, congressman and Civil Rights leader Jessie Jackson, and thousands more, have, unlike the people who use those tersm, valid arguments.  I've already discussed all of this before.  Please read back over what I have written to you already more carefully.  I don't feel I should have to repeat myself.  Kevin Baastalk: new 19:42, 2005 May 2 (UTC)

 * The term used as much to describe conspiracy theories on the left as it is on the right, and many other conspiracy theories which cannot be characterized as either right wing or left wing. Your attempt to criticize it as a term defined by right-wing "active public perception influencers" simply doesn't hold water.  As for the literal meaning, this has been gone through before; the literal and social meanings are pretty much the same. As for your arguments, I've read them, they hold no more water than your claim that right-wingers have hijacked the term.  Your intimation that if only I had read them more carefully I would have understood them is insulting and false; I understood them, but they were simply wrong.  Oh, and when I say "doesn't hold water", I don't mean that literally, of course; I hope that doesn't make the phrase troubling for you. Jayjg (talk)  19:57, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

 * I stand by everything that I have said, and do not appreciate your personal attack. Kevin Baastalk: new 20:01, 2005 May 2 (UTC)

 * Saying someone should re-read what you've writed "more carefully" is a personal attack. Saying that someone's arguments are wrong is not. Jayjg (talk)  20:17, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Wrong. Neither is a personal attack. As you have noticed, you did need to reread what I said.  For example, i was responding in the last comment to arguments that i have already responded to in on of my first arguments.  this is evidence that the conversation is not being productive. This is a problem.  Furthermore, saying that someone's arguments are wrong is inappropriate, and is not an argument, and it is not productive.  repeating "you're wrong" "you're wrong"  "your argumetn doesn't hold water", without making any logical argument is childish and unproductive.  pointing out logical fallacies in the other persons arguments is appropriate and productive.  For instance, your last comment included fallacies such as reductio ad absurdum, appeal to ridicule &  ("i dont mean that literally, ofcourse")  argument ad nasueam (repetition), and statements that are outright false, such as "the literal and social meanings are pretty much the same". Kevin Baastalk: new 23:23, 2005 May 2 (UTC)

vote notice
for all who care: Talk:9/11_domestic_conspiracy_theory Kevin Baastalk: new 08:40, 2005 May 2 (UTC)

Netoholic Arbitration Results
Thought you'd like to know about this Requests for arbitration/Netoholic 2.

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Maria Chaput

Maria Emma Chaput (born May 7, 1942) is a former member of the Senate of Canada representing the Senatorial Division of Manitoba. She is the first franco-Manitoban woman to be appointed to the upper house of the Parliament of Canada.

On January 29, 2014, Liberal Party leader Justin Trudeau announced all Liberal Senators, including Chaput, to be removed from the Liberal caucus, and would continue sitting as Independents. The Senators continued to refer themselves as the Senate Liberal Caucus even though they were constitutionally no longer members of the parliamentary Liberal caucus.

Chaput announced her retirement from the Senate on February 4, 2016, effective March 1, 2016, due to kidney health issues that she had been managing for "a few years." Despite her doctor's recommendation, she held off retirement until the Liberals won the 2015 federal election saying: "I just didn't want to give my seat to Stephen Harper. That's what I told my doctor and he said, 'Well, that's your decision,' and I said 'Exactly.'" She supported Trudeau's move to a non-partisan senate appointment process.

Chaput was appointed to the Order of Canada in 2022.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gustav Leijohhufved

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. — Xezbeth 06:30, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

Gustav Leijohhufved
Does trespassing at the White House make you notable enough for a Wikipedia entry? Googling for the name in this particular form gets a few hits with identical phrasing, apparently originating in a single security report. The story is probably real, but the person is almost certainly called Leijonhufvud, which is the name of a well-known Swedish noble family (a member of which was queen of Sweden in the 16th century). I don't find anything relevant, however, when googling "Leijonhufvud" in various combinations (+"white house" etc.). Uppland 05:48, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, unverifiable, and even then breaking and entering isn't really noteworthy unless they were really good at it. --nixie 07:24, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. NeoJustin 21:42, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Fine with me. It should be noted, though, that this was created from an entry on "Requested Articles". Also, quite a few people have tried some sort of White House stunt like this, politically motivated or otherwise. Does this call for its own article or something? Mashford 66.82.9.34 19:08, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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International Year of Microcredit

International Year of Microcredit is a special event of the United Nations which took place in the year 2005. The event highlighted microfinance as an instrument for socioeconomic development.

The event was launched on November 18, 2004.

Goals
The United Nations Economic and Social Council proclaimed the year 2005 as the International Year of Microcredit to call for building inclusive financial sectors and strengthening the powerful, but often untapped, entrepreneurial spirit existing in communities around the world.

There are five goals associated with "The Year" which are:

 * 1) Assess and promote the contribution of microfinance and microcredit to the MDGs;
 * 2) Increase public awareness and understanding of microfinance and microcredit as vital parts of the development equation;
 * 3) Promote inclusive financial sectors;
 * 4) Support sustainable access to financial services, and
 * 5) Encourage innovation and new partnerships by promoting and supporting strategic partnerships to build and expand the outreach and success of microcredit and microfinance.

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Bank engine

A bank engine (United Kingdom/Australia) (colloquially a banker), banking engine, helper engine or pusher engine (North America) is a railway locomotive that temporarily assists a train that requires additional power or traction to climb a gradient (or bank). Helpers/bankers are most commonly found in mountain divisions (called "helper districts" in the United States), where the ruling grade may demand the use of substantially greater motive power than that required for other grades within the division.

Historic practice
Helpers/bankers were most widely used during the age of steam, especially in the American West, where significant grades are common and trains are long. The development of diesel-electric or electric locomotives has eliminated the everyday need for bankers/helpers in all but a few locations. With the advent of dynamic brakes on electric or diesel-electric locomotives, helpers/bankers can also be used to provide more braking force on long downhill gradients.

Bankers or helpers were historically positioned at the rear of the train, in which case they also protected against wagons or coaches breaking away from the train and running back downhill. Also, in a pusher role, it was possible for the helper/banker to easily separate once the train had crested the grade. Once separated, the banker would return to a siding or stub so as to clear the mainline and get ready for the next train. A common practice with knuckle couplers was to remove the knuckle from the front coupler. The locomotive would be brought up behind the last car of the train while the train was moving slowly. The air brake hose would not be coupled. When the train no longer required assistance, the helper/pusher would slow, then reverse and coast back down the grade to its siding at the bottom of the grade. This practice was outlawed in North America after the end of the steam era.

Special heavily constructed cabooses were sometimes used in helper areas. Ordinary cabooses were built as lightly as practical and might be crushed by the helper/pusher's force, which could be as much as 90 tons. The heavy cabooses allowed crews to avoid the time-consuming procedure of splitting the train just ahead of the caboose.

Pushers/helpers were commonly designed to provide extreme power for very short runs; as a result they could not push at full power for very far before steam pressure dropped. If it could push enough to get the train to the top of the grade, then it could build up pressure while coasting back down and while waiting for the next train to come along. This practice was common in Europe.

Since it was not possible to remotely control a steam locomotive, each helper had to have a full crew on board. Careful coordination was required between engine crews to assure that all locomotives were operated in a consistent manner. Standard whistle signals were employed to tell the helper crew when to apply power, drift or brake. A misunderstanding of signals by a pusher locomotive crew could result in a major wreck if the lead locomotive applied brakes while the bank engine was still applying power. The usual result was that the train would experience a violent run-in (an abrupt bunching of train slack), resulting in the derailment of part or all of the train.

The town of Helper, Utah, was named after these engines. It was where helper engines were kept to assist on the climb to Soldier Summit.

Modern practice
Nowadays helpers/bankers are often controlled by coded radio signals from the locomotive at the head end of the train, allowing one engineer (driver) to simultaneously control the helper(s) and the train being helped. If radio operation is not possible, electrical control might be used, by way of cables running the length of the train (especially in case of passenger trains). Alternatively, radio communication with the lead engine's driver facilitates manual operation, which is still the norm for bank engines at the end of freight trains in Europe.

At the front
In the UK, an engine that was temporarily attached to the front of a train to assist with the ascent of an incline was called a pilot locomotive. This differentiated it from the train engine(s) that powered the train to its destination. A train with one or more locomotives attached to the front may be described as a "double header", "triple header", etc., depending on the number of helpers/bankers even when this lash-up of power was used for the entire run. These terms gradually fell out of general usage as diesel locomotives replaced steam power, and are not used for the common assemblage of several power units.

Mid-train
In countries where buffers-and-chain couplers are used, bank engines often cannot be added to the front of the train due to the limited strength of the couplers; In the case of standard UIC couplers and a maximum grade of 28‰ (which is common, e.g., for lines through the Alps), the limit is a train weight of 1400 tons; if a train is heavier, bank engines have to be added in the middle or to the end of the train in order not to exceed the maximum load for any coupler.

Adding locomotives in the middle of the train has the distinct advantage of applying the helper power to only part of the train, thus limiting the maximum drawbar pull applied to the first car of the train to a safe level. The narrow gauge portions of the Denver and Rio Grande Western Railroad, in particular, used "swing helpers", which meant the helper locomotives were placed mid-train at a point where they were pushing and pulling an approximately equal amount of tonnage, said location being referred to as the train's "swing point". This was also done to balance out the "slack" in the train between the locomotives, the swing helpers, and the end train helpers just in front of the caboose. However, this arrangement requires splitting the train in order to add or remove the helper engine(s), which can be a time-consuming maneuver. However, on some American railroads it was necessary to an extent, because operating rules required end of train helpers to be added at the end of the train, but in front of the caboose. This was done for the safety of the train crew riding inside the caboose.

End of the train
To be able to add and remove helper locomotives quickly, which is especially important in Europe due to the high traffic density, they are usually added to the end of the train. Normally, they are coupled and the air hoses are connected, which is necessary for the air brake to work correctly e.g., in emergency situations, but in special cases trains are banked with uncoupled locomotives, which can be added or removed "in-flight." In the UK it was a usual practice for banking locomotives to follow and buffer-up to a slow-moving assisted freight train without coupling (as demonstrated in archive films of banking on the Lickey Incline) before applying more power, thus precluding the need for a standing start. Following an accident in 1969 this practice was discontinued. This procedure is not performed in North America, as it would violate Canadian and United States safety regulations.

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Lúnasa (band)

Lúnasa is a traditional Irish music group, named after Lughnasadh, an ancient harvest festival. They tour and perform internationally, and have recorded a number of albums of both traditional and contemporary Irish instrumental music.

History
Lúnasa was founded in 1997 when Sean Smyth, John McSherry and Steve Cooney teamed up to tour Smyth's solo album, The Blue Fiddle. They called in Mike McGoldrick, a friend of McSherry's, and toured as a four-piece. As the band was taking off, Cooney bowed out.

In the meantime, Smyth was touring in Scandinavia with the rhythmical duo Donogh Hennessy and Trevor Hutchinson, and recruited them to join the band. Calling themselves Lúnasa, they began performing and touring; the first album, Lúnasa, was recorded while the group was on tour in 1998 and released to critical acclaim.

McGoldrick and McSherry were becoming increasingly busy with other projects and left the band. Kevin Crawford then joined the band and various other pipers stepped in for McSherry. McSherry and McGoldrick were again called upon to record the second album, Otherworld. It was after this album that piper Cillian Vallely joined the band.

In 1999, the group signed a three-year contract with Green Linnet Records, and that October released their second album, Otherworld. In December 2000, they appeared on A Thistle and Shamrock Christmas Ceilidh. In 2002, their highly acclaimed album The Merry Sisters of Fate was released; this was followed by 2003’s Redwood, which was released late due to a feud with the label. Ultimately the band terminated their contract.

In 2004, Lúnasa signed up with Compass Records and recorded The Kinnitty Sessions before a live audience in Kinnitty Castle, County Offaly. That same year, Donogh Hennessy left the group, being replaced by Tim Edey and Paul Meehan who each played half the tracks on the album Sé. Tim Edey left shortly after, and Paul Meehan became the band's guitarist.

In 2008, the band released a compilation album, Lúnasa: The Story So Far, with representative recordings from the band's first eleven years.

Released in April 2010, the band's following album, Lá Nua, was the first release on the band's own record label, Lúnasa Records. That same month, the band also performed on the Natalie Merchant album Leave Your Sleep. Meehan left the group in late 2011 and was replaced by Ed Boyd.

In 2018, the band released the album CAS.

The group has toured and performed in the Americas, Europe and Asia.

Current members

 * Seán Smyth – Fiddle, whistles
 * Kevin Crawford – Flutes, whistles
 * Trevor Hutchinson – Double bass
 * Cillian Vallely – Uilleann pipes, whistles
 * Ed Boyd – Guitar
 * Colin Farrell – Fiddle, whistles
 * Patrick Doocey – Guitar

Former members

 * Tim Edey – guitar
 * Donogh Hennessy – guitar
 * Michael McGoldrick – Uilleann pipes, flute, whistle
 * John McSherry – Uilleann pipes
 * Paul Meehan – Guitar, bouzouki, mandolin

Studio albums

 * Lúnasa (1998)
 * Otherworld (1999)
 * The Merry Sisters of Fate (2001)
 * Redwood (2003)
 * The Kinnitty Sessions (2004)
 * Sé (2006)
 * Lá Nua (2010)
 * CAS (2018)

Live albums

 * Lúnasa with the RTÉ Concert Orchestra (2013)
 * Live in Kyoto (2024)

Compilation albums

 * The Rough Guide to Irish Music (1996)
 * The Story So Far... (2008)
 * The Leitrim Equation featuring Lúnasa (2009) (features Lúnasa and other Irish musicians)

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Talk:Glenview

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I can only find one Glenview in Illinois!

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The Time of Your Life

The Time of Your Life is a 1939 five-act play by American playwright William Saroyan. The play is the first drama to win both the Pulitzer Prize for Drama and the New York Drama Critics Circle Award. The play opened on Broadway in 1939.

Characters

 * Main characters

 * Joe, a loafer with money and a good heart
 * Tom, his admirer, disciple, errand boy, stooge and friend
 * Kitty Duval, a young streetwalker who longs for a better life
 * Nick, owner of Nick's Pacific Street Saloon, Restaurant and Entertainment Palace
 * Arab, an Eastern philosopher and harmonica-player
 * Kit Carson, a teller of tall tales who looks like an old Indian-fighter
 * McCarthy, an intelligent and well-read longshoreman
 * Krupp, his boyhood friend, a waterfront cop who hates his job but doesn't know what else to do instead
 * Harry, a natural born hoofer who wants to make people laugh but can't
 * Wesley, a young colored man who plays a mean and melancholy boogie-woogie piano
 * Willie, a marble-game maniac
 * Dudley, a young man in love
 * Elsie, a nurse, the one he loves
 * Lorene, an unattractive woman
 * Mary L., an unhappy woman of quality and great beauty
 * Blick, a heel

 * Minor characters

 * A Newsboy
 * A Drunkard
 * Nick's Ma
 * Sailor
 * Killer, a streetwalker
 * Killer's sidekick
 * Society Gentleman
 * Society Lady
 * Cops

Plot
The play is set in Nick's Pacific Street Saloon, Restaurant and Entertainment Palace, a run-down dive bar in San Francisco. Much of the action of the play centers around Joe, a young loafer with money who encourages each of the bar's patrons in their eccentricities. Joe helps out a would-be dancer, Harry, and sets up his flunky, Tom, with a prostitute, Kitty Duval. The bar is frequented by a number of colorful characters, including a frenetic young man in love, an old man who looks like Kit Carson, and a wealthy society couple.

Nick's saloon is based on the café operated by Izzy Gomez in San Francisco, which Saroyan frequented.

Productions
The play was produced by the Theatre Guild. It premiered on Broadway at the Booth Theatre on October 25, 1939, closed on January 27, 1940, and re-opened at the Guild Theatre on January 29, 1940 to April 6, 1940 and September 23, 1940 to October 19, 1940, for 249 performances. Direction was by Eddie Dowling, who also starred as Joe, and William Saroyan. The cast featured Julie Haydon (Kitty Duval), Celeste Holm (Mary L.), Charles De Sheim (Nick), and Gene Kelly (Harry).

The Time of Your Life has been revived three times on Broadway: in 1940 with Dowling and Saroyan directing again, in 1969 directed by John Hirsch and in 1975 directed by Jack O'Brien.

The play was revived on March 17, 1972 at the Huntington Hartford Theater in Los Angeles where Henry Fonda, Richard Dreyfuss, Ron Thompson, Gloria Grahame, Strother Martin. Jane Alexander, Richard X. Slattery and Pepper Martin were among the cast with Edwin Sherin directing.

Adaptations
The play was adapted for film in 1948 with H. C. Potter directing James Cagney as Joe and his sister, Jeanne Cagney as Kitty Duval. In 1958 an adaptation by A.J. Russell was presented in a live television broadcast directed by Tom Donovan with stars Jackie Gleason, Jack Klugman, and Dick York for the Playhouse 90 series.

Awards and nominations

 * Awards
 * 1939 New York Drama Critics' Circle Best Play
 * 1940 Pulitzer Prize for Drama

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Dutch Mob

The Dutch Mob was a New York pickpocket gang during the late nineteenth century.

Formed during the late 1860s by Little Freddie, "Sheeny" Mike Kurtz, and Johnny Irving, former members of the Italian Dave Gang, the Dutch Mob soon became one of the largest pickpocket gangs in the United States numbering around 300 members. Operating in the Manhattan neighborhood east of the Bowery, the area between Houston and Fifth Streets was known as a "pickpockets paradise" to the local press. A common tactic of the gang was to stage a street fight and pickpocket the gathering crowd. A variation of this technique was to have several gang members pick a fight with a victim where he would be "rescued" by other gang members posing as innocent bystanders and have his pockets picked while being rushed through the crowd.

However, when Anthony J. Allaire was appointed precinct captain in 1877, police "flying squads" were sent to clear the district attacking anyone who was suspected or resembled a pickpocket or other criminal and by the end of the year few members of the gang remained.

The same area would become home to another gang of mostly teenaged pickpockets, the Crazy Butch Gang, in the late-1890s.

Mike Kurtz
One of the founding members, "Sheeny" Mike Kurtz (or Mike Whelan) jointly ruled the gang along with Little Freddie and Johnny Irving during the 1870s. He was eventually imprisoned at Clinton Prison and sentenced to 18 years and 6 months on March 30, 1880, although he was possibly later released on appeal. He would later have a successful career as a bank robber and jewelry thief with Irving during the 1880s and 90s before his death in New York.

In 1894, Kurtz was arrested with "Dutch" Fred Ryder and ex-policeman Michael Malone in connection with the robbery of the Albert J. Knoll's Jersey Street saloon in Elizabethtown, New Jersey on April 2, 1894. The three burglars agreed to turn state's evidence against David McAdams, sportsman and manager of the Red Jacket Hotel, who they claimed arranged the robbery and hired them to rob the hotel in exchange for a percentage of the expected $800 in cash.

Johnny Irving
Johnny Irving (b. 1844–1883) lead the gang along with Mike Kurtz and Little Freddie and had a successful burglary career with Billy Porter during the 1870s and 80s.

In August 1878, he and Porter were arrested on suspicion of robbing a Williamsburg dry goods store of $4,000 the previous month, however police were forced to release the two due to lack of evidence. After being under police surveillance, police were able to gain sufficient evidence after finding stolen silk and jewelry as well as burglar's tools and a combination safelock.

Shortly after his arrest, the recovered evidence was linked to a recent robbery of a local flour merchant who confirmed that torn up checks and a safe drawer found at Irving's home were those stolen from his store.

The following year, Irving and Porter escaped from Raymondstreet Jail after their arrest for the robbery of National Bank of Northampton. While Porter was arrested shortly after their escape, Irving remained on the run for almost six years until his arrest in Lawrence, Massachusetts on March 3, 1884.

Irving was eventually killed by rival Johnny Walsh during a gunfight at a Sixth Avenue saloon owned by Thomas "Shang" Draper on October 19, 1883. Walsh was also killed during the gunfight. Porter was charged in his death, but acquitted.

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I have no data to support my scepticism, but on the face of it the following seems quite suspect:  " Out of the total people living in poverty, 1.8% are under the age of 18 and 3.2% are 65 or older."

You should look up the census data to confirm or debunk. [no account] 2pm CST 16Apr07

The Grove
The Grove is a National Historic Landmark in Glenview and should be included in the article. Kdammers 12:11, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Then why don't you add it? [no account] 2pm CST 16Apr07

Private schools
What about Immanuel Lutheran? The Lutheran church's home-page doesn't currently have a section on it (Is it no longer in operation?), but the church's history page gives no indication that it has been closed down.211.225.33.104 (talk) 10:26, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

2013 census?
There reads: As of the 2013 United States Census

But, from what I know, the latest census was in 2010, and next in 2020. Am I wrong? 85.217.21.147 (talk) 12:04, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

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Imamzadeh Saleh, Shemiran

Imamzadeh Saleh is a imamzadeh mosque in Iran. The mosque is located at Tajrish Square in Tehran's northern Shemiran district. The mosque entombs the remains of Saleh, a son of the Twelver Shia Imam, Musa al-Kazim, and is one of the most popular Shia shrines in northern Tehran.

Design
The main mausoleum building includes a large rectangular building with thick walls and solid inner space of almost 5.6 square meters.

Silver enshrines the eastern and northeastern and western sides, decorated with silver and wood lattice south side of the endowment of the late Mirza Saeed Khan foreign minister for the late Qajar.

History
In 700 AH Imam Zadeh Saleh an inscription appears in the repair and alteration of entries according to which the Kingdom of Ghazan Khan was at the same time.

In 1210 AH and the name of Fath-Ali Shah Qajar has been engraved on it.

Notable burials

 * Mirza Nasrollah Khan Moshir od-Dowleh (1840–1907), prime minister (1906–07)
 * Hassan Pirnia Moshir od-Dowleh (1871–1935), scholar and prime minister (1918–20), (1922) and (1923)
 * Hossein Pirnia Mo'tamen ol-Molk (1874–1946), speaker of the Majles (1914–25) and (1927–28)
 * Mohammad Tadayyon (1881–1951), statesman
 * Majid Shahriari (1966–2010), engineer
 * Masoumeh Ghavi (1987–2020), Telecom Engineer, Innocent victim of Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752
 * Mahdieh Ghavi (1999–2020), Medical Student, Innocent victim of Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752

Memorial Day
The custodians of Saleh Imamzadeh appointed 5 Dhiqaadah (24 March) on the day of commemoration of this Imamzadeh. The commemoration ceremony of Imamzadeh is held every year in 24 March in Astan

Ghavi Sisters Tomb
Masoumeh Ghavi with her sister, Mahdieh Ghavi, rest in the yard of Imamzadeh Saleh – Tajrish. The sisters were killed in the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps's (IRGC) attack on Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752 on the morning of January 8th.

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Futarchy

Futarchy is a form of government proposed by economist Robin Hanson, in which elected officials define measures of national wellbeing, and prediction markets are used to determine which policies will have the most positive effect.

It was named by The New York Times as a buzzword of 2008. The idea of futarchy was later introduced in the context of blockchains and the DAO bringing it closer to an actual implementation.

Criticisms
Economist Tyler Cowen said I would bet against the future of futarchy, or its likelihood of succeeding were it in place. Robin says "vote on values, bet on beliefs", but I don't think values and beliefs can be so easily separated.

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Lyndal Davies

Lyndal Davies (born 1967 in Brisbane, Australia) is a journalist. From 1991, she has been making cinema and video of wildlife inspired by Jane Goodall and Félix Rodríguez de la Fuente.

Davies is a wildlife presenter for Animal Planet. She hosts Animal Planet's Lyndal’s Lifeline where she travels to remote, countries to help wildlife sanctuaries that are in trouble and to bring an awareness about the animals that are rare in species.

Davies's love of nature began in Queensland, Australia, where she grew up. She spent her childhood rescuing animals and then went to journalism school in Queensland at Queensland University of Technology and spent the next ten years making wildlife documentaries. Most of the time her crew was only one cameraman and Davies would host, produce, and edit the documentaries herself. The money from each project went into the next project.

Nowadays she is also an Australian zoologist, documentarian and television presenter. She takes part in the series of documentaries called Lyndal's Lifeline. Lately, she was the presenter of Unearthed Series 1 and 2, where contestants compete and learn about film-making, as well as presenter and producer of Shamwari: A Wild Life.

Her work aims to popularize knowledge of wildlife. She is a graduate of Queensland University of Technology and lives in South Africa, on the Shamwari Game Reserve.

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Curnow

Curnow is a surname of Cornish origin and may refer to:

 * People
 * Allen Curnow (1911–2001), New Zealand poet and journalist
 * Andrew Curnow (born 1950), Australian Anglican bishop
 * Ann Curnow (1935–2011), English judge
 * Betty Curnow (1911–2005), New Zealand artist
 * Bob Curnow (born 1941), American musician
 * Charlie Curnow (born 1997), Australian rules footballer
 * Ed Curnow (born 1989), Australian rules footballer
 * Esmond Curnow (born 1946), Australian politician
 * Eugene Curnow (1925–2010), American veterinarian
 * Neil Curnow (born 1982), English cricketer
 * Robyn Curnow (born 1972), South African journalist
 * Rupert Curnow (1898–1950), Australian politician
 * Syd Curnow (1907–1986), South African cricketer
 * William Curnow (1832–1903), Australian journalist
 * William Leslie Curnow (1867–1926), Australian-born English journalist and spiritualist
 * Wystan Curnow (born 1939), New Zealand writer

 * Places
 * "Curnow", an anglicised spelling of Kernow, the Cornish word for Cornwall
 * Curnow Range, mountain range in Nevada

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User:The Brain of Morbius/Test page 1

Best-and-fairest is a term applied to an award won by Australian rules footballers. Players who win an Australian rules football competition or club's best-and-fairest award are judged to be that player's best player during a season. However the only true best-and-fairest award is the Brownlow Medal, which disqualifies players who are suspended during a season.

Best-and-fairest awards
This is a list of best-and-fairest awards currently awarded by the Australian Football League and its clubs:
 * The Brownlow Medal (AFL)
 * Adelaide FC Club Champion
 * The Merrett-Murray Medal (Brisbane Lions AFC)
 * (Carlton FC)
 * The Copeland Trophy (Collingwood FC)
 * (Essendon FC)
 * (Fremantle FC)
 * (Geelong FC)
 * (Hawthorn FC)
 * (Kangaroos FC)
 * (Melbourne FC)
 * (Port Adelaide FC)
 * (Richmond FC)
 * (St Kilda FC)
 * (Sydney Swans FC)
 * (West Coast Eagles FC)
 * (Western Bulldogs FC)

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John Stephenson (actor)

John Winfield Stephenson (born c. 1923/1924 – May 15, 2015) was an American actor who worked primarily in voice-over roles.

Early life
Stephenson was from Kenosha, Wisconsin. After serving in the United States Army Air Forces, as a gunner and radio operator, during World War II, John Stephenson took a course in speech and drama at Northwestern University and graduated with a theater degree before moving to Hollywood.

Death
Stephenson died of Alzheimer's disease, aged 91 on May 15, 2015. He is survived by his wife of 60 years, their two children (a son and a daughter) and a granddaughter.

Film

 * Spartacus – Centurion (uncredited) (1960)
 * The Man Called Flintstone – Vet (1966)
 * Hellfighters – Mr. Chapman (uncredited) (1968)
 * Charlotte's Web – John Arable (1973)
 * Herbie Rides Again – Lawyer-Second Team (1974)
 * The Last of the Mohicans – TV Movie – Colonel Allen Munro/Delaware Chief (1975)
 * The Hobbit – TV Movie – Dori/Bard/Great Goblin (1977)
 * Five Weeks in a Balloon – TV movie (1977)
 * Yogi's First Christmas – TV Movie – Doggie Daddy/Mr. Dingwell (1980)
 * The Return of the King – TV Movie – Gondorian Guard/Dwimmerlaik – The Witch-King of Angmar (1980)
 * No Man's Valley – TV Special – Herman/Protester (1981)
 * Yogi Bear's All Star Comedy Christmas Caper – TV Special – Doggie Daddy/Butler/Announcer (1982)
 * The Jetsons Meet the Flintstones – TV Movie – Mr. Slate (1987)
 * Top Cat and the Beverly Hills Cats -TV Movie – Fancy-Fancy/Officer Charlie Dibble/Waiter (1987)
 * Yogi Bear and the Magical Flight of the Spruce Goose – TV Movie – Doggie Daddy /Pelican (1987)
 * Hanna-Barbera's 50th: A Yabba Dabba Doo Celebration – TV Movie documentary – Mr. Slate (1989)
 * A Flintstone Family Christmas – TV Special – Mr. Slate (1993)
 * Hollyrock-a-Bye Baby – TV Movie – Mr. Slate (1993)
 * I Yabba-Dabba Do! – TV Movie – Mr. Slate (1993)
 * A Flintstones Christmas Carol – TV Movie – Mr. Slate (1994)
 * Truman – TV Movie – H.V. Kaltenborn (voice) (uncredited) (1995)
 * The Flintstones in Viva Rock Vegas – Showroom Announcer/Minister (voice) (2000)
 * The Flintstones: On the Rocks – TV Movie – Mr. Slate/Old Man (2001)
 * Scooby-Doo! Abracadabra-Doo – Video – The Sheriff (2010)

Television

 * The Lone Ranger – episode – Dan Reid's Fight for Life – Roy Barnett (1954)
 * Treasury Men in Action – 5 episodes (1955)
 * Yancy Derringer – episode – Three Knaves from New Haven – Arthur Travers (1958)
 * The Real McCoys – 3 episodes – various (1958–1963)
 * Bonanza – episode – The Sisters – John Henry (1959)
 * Shotgun Slade – episode – The Smell of Money – Charlie Cummings (1960)
 * The Flintstones – 73 episodes – Mr. Slate/Grand Poobah/Joe (1960–1966)
 * Whispering Smith – episode – The Idol – Eddie Royce (1961)
 * Top Cat – episodes – Fancy-Fancy/The Sergeant (1961–1962)
 * Jonny Quest – 6 episodes – Dr. Benton C. Quest/additional voices (1964–1965)
 * The Peter Potamus Show (14 episodes of it) & The Magilla Gorilla Show (9 episodes of it) – Segment – Breezly and Sneezly – Colonel Fusby (1964–1965)
 * Gomer Pyle, U.S.M.C. – 2 episodes – They Shall Not Pass & Sue the Pants Off 'Em – Major Stone Mr. Clark (1964–1967)
 * The Man from U.N.C.L.E. – episode – The Never-Never Affair – Varner (1965)
 * The Atom Ant Show – Segment – Atom Ant – Narrator (uncredited) (1965–1966)
 * Frankenstein Jr. and The Impossibles – Professor Conroy (1966)
 * The Secret Squirrel Show – 26 episodes – Segment – Squiddly Diddly/Winsome Witch – Chief Winchley/additional voices (1966-1967)
 * The Abbott and Costello Cartoon Show – additional voices (1967)
 * Iron Horse – episode – Decision at Sundown – Warden (1967)
 * Birdman – Various (1967)
 * Samson & Goliath – additional voices (1967–1968)
 * Dragnet – Narrator (uncredited) (1967–1969)
 * Moby Dick and Mighty Mightor – Pond/Ork/Tog/additional voices (1967–1969)
 * Arabian Knights – episode – Fariik/Bakaar (1968)
 * The Adventures of Gulliver – Captain Leech (1968)
 * Wacky Races – 17 episodes – Luke/Blubber Bear (1968–1969)
 * The Mod Squad – episode – The Girl in Chair Nine – Professor Aaron Tanner (1969)
 * Scooby-Doo, Where Are You! – Dr. Jekyll/Ghost of Mr. Hyde /Sheriff /additional voices (1969–1970)
 * Help!... It's the Hair Bear Bunch! – 16 episodes – Eustace P. Peevly/The Zoo Superintendent/Slicks the Fox/Hippy the Hippopotamus/Dr. Kneeknocker/Zeed the Zebra/additional voices (1971)
 * The Flintstone Comedy Hour – Noodles (1972)
 * Sealab 2020 – Captain Mike Murphy (1972)
 * A Christmas Story – TV Movie (1972)
 * The Thanksgiving That Almost Wasn't – TV movie (1972)
 * Mission: Impossible – episode – Underground – Director (1972)
 * Yogi's Ark Lark – Benny the Ball/Doggy Daddy /Hardy Har-Har (1972)
 * Wait Till Your Father Gets Home (1972–1973)
 * The New Scooby-Doo Movies – Red Baron / Mr. Hyde/additional Voices (1972-1974)
 * Jeannie – 16 episodes – Hadji (1973)
 * Super Friends (1973)
 * Yogi's Gang – Doggie Daddy/Hardy Har Har/Mr. Hothead/additional Voices (1973)
 * Inch High, Private Eye – 13 episodes – Mr. Finkerton (1973)
 * Goober and the Ghost Chasers – additional voices (1973)
 * Speed Buggy – additional voices (1973)
 * The Addams Family – additional voices (1973)
 * McMillan & Wife – episode – The Fine Art of Staying Alive – Harry (1973)
 * Butch Cassidy – Mr. Socrates (1973)
 * The Six Million Dollar Man – episode – Nuclear Alert – Two Star General (uncredited) (1974)
 * Devlin – additional voices (1974)
 * These Are the Days – additional voices (1974)
 * ABC Afterschool Specials – episode – Cyrano – Richelieu (1974)
 * Partridge Family 2200 A.D. – Reuben Kinkaid (1974–1975)
 * The Streets of San Francisco – episode – The Programming of Charlie Blake – Leonard Paxton (1975)
 * The Mumbly Cartoon Show – Shnooker (1976)
 * Davy Crockett on the Mississippi – TV Movie – Sloan/Andrew Jackson/Blacksmith (1976)
 * Clue Club – Sheriff Bagley (1976)
 * The Scooby-Doo/Dynomutt Hour – Ghost of Juan Carlos/Ghost of Milo Booth/Viking Ghost Leader/Ghost of Major Andre/Rambling Ghost / Demon Leader/Mamba Wamba/additional Voices (1976–1978)
 * A Flintstone Christmas – TV Special – Mr. Slate (1977)
 * Laff-A-Lympics – Mildew Wolf / Doggie Daddy / Dread Baron /The Great Fondue/additional voices (1977–1979)
 * CB Bears – additional voices (1977)
 * Captain Caveman and the Teen Angels – additional voices (1977–1980)
 * Yogi's Space Race – Captain Snerdley/General Blowhard (1978)
 * Galaxy Goof-Ups – Captain Snerdley/General Blowhard (1978)
 * Dinky Dog – additional voices (1978)
 * The Flintstones: Little Big League – TV Movie – Mr. Slate (1978)
 * The Fantastic Four – Doctor Doom/Professor Gregson Gilbert/Magneto/additional voices (1978)
 * Casper's First Christmas – Doggie Daddy/Hairy Scary (1979)
 * The Super Globetrotters (1979)
 * Gulliver's Travels – TV Movie (1979)
 * Fred and Barney Meet the Thing – Segment – The Thing – Dr. Harkness (1979)
 * Scooby-Doo and Scrappy-Doo – additional voices (1979)
 * The New Fred and Barney Show – Mr. Slate (1979)
 * The Flintstones Meet Rockula and Frankenstone – TV special – Count Rockula (1979)
 * The Plastic Man Comedy/Adventure Show – additional voices (1979)
 * The Flintstone Comedy Show – Mr. Slate (1980)
 * The Flintstones: Fred's Final Fling – TV Special – Frank Frankenstone/Dinosaur/Monkey #1 (1980)
 * The Flintstones' New Neighbors – TV Special – Frank Frankenstone (1980)
 * The Kwicky Koala Show – Segment – Kwicky Koala – Wilford Wolf (1981)
 * Daniel Boone – TV Movie (1981)
 * The Flintstones: Jogging Fever – TV Special – Frank Frankenstone/Mr. Slate (1981)
 * The Flintstones: Wind-Up Wilma – TV Special – Frank Frankenstone (1981)
 * Space Stars (1981)
 * Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends – Colossus /Thunderbird /The Shocker / Uncle Ben Parker/Loki/Mordred/additional voices (1981–1983)
 * The Incredible Hulk (1982)
 * Jokebook (1982)
 * Laverne & Shirley with Special Guest Star the Fonz – additional voices (1982)
 * Shirt Tales – additional voices (1982)
 * G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero – mini series – Gen. Flagg /Old Man (1983)
 * The New Scooby and Scrappy-Doo Show (1983)
 * The Dukes – additional voices (1983)
 * Mister T (1983)
 * The Transformers – Thundercracker/Kup/Huffer/additional voices (1984–1987)
 * G.I. Joe – Scientist/General Franks/MacIntosh/Mr. Queeg/additional voices (1985-1986)
 * Yogi's Treasure Hunt – Doggie Daddy (1985–1988)
 * The Berenstain Bears Show – Additional Male Voices (1985-1987)
 * The 13 Ghosts of Scooby-Doo – Boris Kreepoff / Freddie Cadaver (1985)
 * The Jetsons – Commissioner/DWMR Officer (1985–1987)
 * G.I. Joe – episode – The Spy Who Rooked Me – General Hawk (1986)
 * Centurions – 15 episodes (1986)
 * Galaxy High School – Beef Bonk/Harvey Blastermeier (1986)
 * The Flintstone Kids – Ditto Master/Mr. Gemstone (1986–1987)
 * Bionic Six – Bionic-1/Jack Bennett/Klunk/additional voices (1987)
 * Fraggle Rock – Doc /Philo/Grunge (1987)
 * The Video Adventures of Clifford the Big Red Dog – additional voices (1988)
 * Superman – additional voices (1988)
 * Jem – Lord Trevor and creditor (Britrock) (1988)
 * X-Men: Pryde of the X-Men – TV Short – Professor Charles Xavier (1989)
 * TaleSpin (1990)
 * Wake, Rattle, and Roll – Segment – Fender Bender 500 – Doggie Daddy (1990)
 * Yo Yogi! – Doggie Daddy/Mr. Myopics (1991)
 * Darkwing Duck – episode – Heavy Mental – Major Synapse (1991)
 * Space Cats (1991)
 * What's New, Scooby-Doo? – episode – The Unnatural – Bob Taylor (2003)
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Talk:Focke-Wulf Fw 190

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Application of WikiProject Aviation/Style guide/Layout (Aircraft) and Aircraft specs template
To comply with Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Style guide/Layout (Aircraft) there should only be one set of specs. This has already caused one editor to wrongly revert a legitimate edit. So I am putting this up for discussion; the issue seems to be that the Dora and similar high altitude derivatives should also have specs. I contend that if they are that differtent then a breakaway / sub article should be written to cover them, which would allow the inclusion of a specifications section on the Dora (or whichever variant the author chooses) Discuss:--Petebutt (talk) 23:21, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I have taken the lack of response as assent and carried on. There is only one set of specs in the main article. Specs for D-9 added to the D-9 section in the variants off-shoot.--Petebutt (talk) 00:44, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

"Wurger"
When was the name chosen and was it used? There is no current coverage in the article about the name origin. GraemeLeggett (talk) 11:47, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

LB&SCR D3
& we really aren’t going to mention how one was taken down by the safety valve of a tank locomotive it destroyed? That gallant ol’ kettle on rails wasn’t going quietly without a fight, so I think it at least deserves a sentence or two on this page NewfieRailFan (talk) 11:49, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

 * Single event. I'd say no. Intothatdarkness 19:15, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

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