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Talk:Thutmose III

Great leader
There seems to be something of a consensus that Thutmose III was a very good leader in all aspects, not just in his military efforts. Should we mention this in the articile?

sorry if this is the wrong place for this... i can't quite figure out where the right place to mention it would be... in the intro to the article it mentions that thutmose hated hatshpesut for usurping his power, or something to that effect. just to put it simply, this is an idea that has been very thoroughly discredited and shouldn't be in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.31.120.149 (talk) 09:49, 2006 March 29 (UTC)

 * Good catch. The article itself suggests this isn't true, so I've removed it from the lead (the introduction). Dougweller (talk) 13:24, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Chronology
The two dates for Thutmose's rule now don't match. The first par says 1479, which Anglius corrected to, and that has been reverted to 1458. It's all very well blanket reverting those you think are trolls, Dave, but maybe you could check that your reversion is actually an improvement.

Grace Note 01:53, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Manetho and Tuthmose III
- Is possible that Tuthmose III may identify with Miphramuchthosis of Graeco-Egyptian historian Manetho?

- Is possible that Hatsepsut may identify with Miphris or Misaphris of Graeco-Egyptian historian Manetho?

--IonnKorr 22:32, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Formatting
I've straightened out the formatting of the page, not perfectly, however the right alignment of the picture of the statue was shoving all the text past the pharaohbox. Furthermore, the into paragraph is a little long for an article, especially considering the length of all the rest. So this could use some reformatting across the board. Thanatosimii 03:49, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I've reformatted a good amount of the page, mostly to make actual sections out of that ridiculously long introduction. I'm also going to put this here: Image:Egypt.Thutmose-III.statue.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Granite statue of Pharaoh Thutmose III in Cairo Museum because it's causing a bit of an image jam. when there is a section that has to do with him as a builder pharaoh, it can be put in there, but we don't need two lead statue images. Thanatosimii 00:06, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

This doesn't need cleanup anymore, just expansion. So, while I suggest that the article have needed parts added, the particular tag in place is not helpful. I will accordingly be removing it. Anyone who sees a specific terrifically lacking section should put the particular "Please expand this section" tag on it. Thanatosimii 19:17, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, I think it's time for me to turn my attention officially to this article. This is probably the most important egyptian ever to have lived, so I've been putting it off for a while; however I now intend to, at least, expand the campaign section until it is complete and somewhat exhaustive. Somthing to think about, however -- Thutmose III's campaigns could almost be an article in their own right, so perhaps if they get too large, they should be put in a seperate article and summarized here. Just a potential thought, however; I'm personally ambivolent. Thanatosimii 21:10, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

How can you say that Thutmose was probably the most important egyptian ever to have lived? Because almost every egyptologist belives that the most important egyptian was of course Ramesses the great who left some of the greatest monuments in the whole egypt(about 70%of buildings that canbe seen to this day, and every pharaoh after him, was most respecting and admiering not Thutmose but Ramesses. While Thutmose left an empire that we can not see any longer, Ramesses monuments stand tall reminding us upon the greatest man to have ever walked the ancient egyptien land. R. also had much more children and wifes, and was much taller,lived and ruled longer and was quite possibly even physicly stronger. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.172.191.228 (talk) 01:26, 2007 January 2 (UTC)

Um... we can say that because almost every egyptologist does say that, contrary to your claim. Thanatosimii 01:32, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

"we can say that because almost every egyptologist does say that" that claim is very strange because in my view and the wiew of others is what the egyptologist say it is actualy the opposite. He was a greatest warrior, that is for certan, but he was certanly not the greatest and most important king. Today it is known much more about Ramesses the great than Thutmosis III. In other words T. is a more obscure pharaoh in comparison to the pharaoh with the title "the great". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.172.165.250 (talk) 12:11, 2007 January 2 (UTC)

 * No offense, but really, so what? I am not sure what the point of this argument is about. This is an article about Thutmose III, not Ramssess II, and each have their own article. Keep in mind that Ramessess II lived much longer than Thutmose III did and thereby had much more time to construct monuments, have more wives, and to "grow tall". ;-) But still, so what? This is all just useless bickering about what constitutes "greatness" but unless you contribute something to either article that is substantive and that can be backed up with citations from recognized experts this discussion doesn't really lead anywhere useful. Captmondo 14:40, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

 * How can you say that Ramesses was was probably the most important egyptian ever to have lived? Apparently, he carved his name on other people's statues and temples and such. He was called "the great" because when egyptologists first found all these statues and temples and such, with scenes of him winning the Battle of Kadesh, they thought that he was a really great pharaoh. Later, they discovered that (a) he had an interesting habit of usurping other peoples statues and temples, and (b) he didn't win at Kadesh. So in actual fact, Thutmose III probably trumps Ramesses II, even though he was only 5 foot tall. ~The Little Green Man from Mars(My Page)(Where do I live?) 01:45, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Well...usurping was a kind of a habit of egyptian kings, Thutmose did it also. Unlike Thutmose who was also a determend destroyer (defacing monuments of Hatshepsut), Ramesses built abot 70% of temples in Egypt, and what he did not build he at least rebuilt. As Ramesses was a propagandist, so where other pharaohs, Thutmose clamed to have crushed the Muttani at Aleppo, but his proclamed victory was in fact just a stalemate. Ramesses was called a Great Ancestor by later phararaohs and egyptians who looked at him as a perfect and most succesful pharaoh. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.2.120.86 (talk) 12:03, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

How did Thutmose die
How did Thutmose die? -unsigned

We don't know. We just know when he died, which is actually a piece of information we don't have for most pharaohs Thanatosimii 16:30, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

How did Hatchepsut die? Sickness? Murderued? -unsigned Hatshepsut died of cancer. they found her mummy..

Thutmose probably died of some skin illness, but this is not certain.

Amarna Letters
I am not aware that Thutmose III was mentioned in the Amarna Letters. As far as I know the Amarna Letters only mention Amenhotep III, Amenhotep IV and Tutankhamun. I was wondering if anyone could provide a reference to that claim. --JLCA 18:48, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The amarna letters are to Amenhotep III, Akhenaten, Semenkhkare, and Tutankhamun. In them, however, references are made to several other kings. Thanatosimii 20:32, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Roadmap to FA
Well, that's a goal a long ways down the road... but not impossible, as Ahmose I is showing. For starters, we need a good outline of what would make a "complete" article.

I. Family II. Dates and Length of Reign
 * (Remove Names, integrate to infobox or delete outright)

III. Military Campagins
 * A. First Campaign
 * B. Tours of Canaan and Syria
 * C. etc., etc... The wars of Thutmose III in palestine would probably be a good source for this period

IV. Damnatio Memoriae of Hatshepsut V. Arts and Archetectural Developments VI. Monument Construction
 * A. Karnak
 * B. Other Temples
 * C. Statuary
 * D. Tomb

VII. Mummy (move any death stuff into this section, unless fits better in his tomb's section) VIII. Sucession (Thutmose had a coregency with Amenhotep II. It was apparently only a few months, but some have argued for two years or so. For this, Murnane's dissertation Ancient Egyptian Coregencies is a must. I wish I still had that one lying around)

I'll be working with this model until someone decides we need changes. Thanatosimii 01:50, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

 * This is a good general outline. There are a few things I would suggest adding/changing:

 * I Family Life (this would allow us to have several of the following headings as sub-headings, separating the biography of the man from his works/campaigns)
 * I.B Co-regency period with Hatshepsut (more on what role he played during this time, how prospering trade lead to the economic wealth inherited upon Hatshepsut's death, carry-through of important officials from H's reign, etc)
 * IV. VII. Damnatio Memoriae of Hatshepsut (suggest moving this to later in the article, since evidence shows this occurred late into his reign (and into the early part of the reign of Amenhotep II)
 * VIII. Co-regency with Amenhotep II (there's fairly good evidence of this, and would work well with the former)

 * I've gone and done a very rough edit pass on the article already, sprinkling citation needed 's in places where I think evidence either needs to be referenced or the passage in question changes or removed.

 * Some more specific comments on areas needing improvement as I see it:

 * Intro paragraph needs to be expanded (though this is arguably the last task after the other issues have been tackled). I agree that the names ought to be removed as they are covered in the pharaoh infobox. There is no mention that he was co-regent and ultimately successor to Hatshepsut, which ought to be there. More detail needed on how/why of campaigns and temple building.

 * "Family" section: in general, awkwardly written, and explains little. I ought to be able to help considerably in this section.

 * "Names": This section is interesting, but could probably be folded under "Family" as a subsection. Didn't know he was referenced in the Amarna Letters (and I just realized I didn't ask for a citation on that point; it really ought to).

 * "Dates and Length of Reign": I've cleaned this section up a bit, but it strikes me as being thin. The relevance of the Sothic Cycle ought to be mentioned; you and I know what it is and how it applies, but this ought to be spelled out briefly.

 * "Thutmose's military campaigns": This is already looking pretty good in terms of referenced info. Suggest having "See also" references immediately after "First Campaign" to the Battle of Megiddo. I note that the Siege of Megiddo leads to the same page, so the (see Siege of Megiddo) reference in para 3 can be removed if that is done.

 * "Damnatio memoriae of Hatshepsut": Can't help but be uncomfortable about using a fundamentally Latin term for the header, and think it awkward to have part of the header linked; would prefer that if that term is to be used that it be linked to from within the article rather than from the header. I note that Shaw uses a phrase along the lines of "the desecration of Hatshepsut's memorials", which may be more accurate in intent than the all-out obliteration implied by the Latin term, especially in a legal sense, which has little analogy within Egyptian culture. (IMHO ;-)

 * I had never heard of Akhenaten linked to vandalizing (oops, am getting overly Latinate again) Hatshepsut's memorials, and have asked for a reference there. The recent discovery of the "nine golden cartouches" (and plenty of non-golden ones) is interesting, but sheds no further light on the issue as it stands. I can take care of that one.

 * "Monumental Construction": Not my area of expertise, but as you have indicated already, in much need of expansion.

 * "Death and burial": I can add more to this section over time as well. Can we safely shorten the reference to the likely date of death, since it is already mentioned earlier in the article?

 * Well, that's plenty of work right there. Let me know what you think. Cheers! Captmondo 02:48, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Update

 * "Intro": names removed, co-regent/successor to Hatshepsut added, how/why of campaigns and temple building have been added (I think, or they are at least satisfactory),

 * "Family": Still awkward, though it seems to explain enough. I will try to re-word the info that is there to make it flow a bit more smoothly.

 * "Names": Section seems to have been removed or merged as suggested.

 * "Dates and length of reign": Seems to be beefy enough, though the Sothic cycle does need a bit more explaining to put reference to "circumstances surrounding the recording of a Heliacal Rise of Sothis in the reign of Amenhotep I" into perspective.

 * "Thutmose's military campaigns": Certainly enough referenced info. Could possibly use some whittling down to make it more focused on info directly related to Thuthmose, or the section could be moved to a separate article and just be outlined here. I'll look for an image to add to this section as well to add a little visual interest.

 * "Damnatio memoriae of Hatshepsut": de-Latinised, seems to have been referenced

 * "Monumental Construction": images are a mess... I'll clean up the formatting on this section. Not sure if it has expanded since Captmondo's original post but it seems to have enough info at least.

 * "Death and burial": lots of info on the mummy, not so much about his death (probably not much known about it) or what happened afterwards. Perhaps a small section on what happened after his reign could be added below this section? Just to give the article a clear beginning (about the man) middle (his work and conquests) and end (his death and the results/what happened after). Not sure if it is necessary, just a thought on the fly :)

 * Other/new: The "see also" section is pitiful and could use some more links, references could probably be columnised, and external links could use an addition or two. In general the article needs some copyediting for style and to clear up some complicated sentences and ambiguities, which is what I will be working on.

Feel free to add/expand/change anything in my list above; especially if I was incorrect. This update was just written after scanning the article, I didn't check the history. And congrats to everyone who has been adding info, it looks great! -- Editor at Large  •  talk  17:29, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Builder pharaoh
"Thutmose III was a great builder pharaoh" - this in not entirely correct so i think it would be better to call him a worrior pharaoh. He built many temples but this is unimportant in comparison with his great military activity. (preceeding unsigned comment left by Harioris
 * Builder pharaoh and Warrior pharaoh are not in contradiction with one another. His military skill is already extolled in the huge section on his wars, where it does say he is regarded as the best warrior pharaoh. However, the fact that he comes in second to Ramses II when it comes to building does not mean he was not a great builder pharaoh.

Thanatosimii 19:55, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

While talking about the second builder pharaoh after Ramesses II, this is not the case. The second greatest builder pharaoh was almost certanly Amenhotep III, And after him most probably comes Seti I whose monuments (specificly the art from his time) are the highiest quality of any pharaoh before or after. In the building projects that Seti I undertook, the quality of the reliefs and other designs were probably never surpassed by later rulers. And we must not forget Snofru who was also a great builder, but lived much earlier. And the destruction of the monuments of Hatshepsut, the most simple reason could be simple jalaousy because Thutmose´s monuments could not rivel those of his stepmother who overshadowed him.Harioris 23:46 3 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Amenhotep III's constructions were indeed very large and numerous, and seti's were indeed great in quality, however in quantity it becomes hard to beat Thutmose III. Most of his temples are now destroyed, however this by no means means that he was not in his time a great builder pharaoh. Quality is subjective. Quantity is not subjective, and the quantity of Thutmose was indeed high enough to call him a great builder pharaoh. But all this beside – published sources call him a great builder pharaoh and consistantly extoll his construction works, so I do not see a problem keeping that phrase in there. It doesn't mean he was the best, and it doesn't mean that was his greatest trait, it just means he was very good, and indeed his works clearly outshadow those of Ahmose I, Amenhotep I, Thutmose I, Thutmose II, Amenhotep II, and Thutmose IV all put together. I don't see the problem with calling him a great builder.Thanatosimii 23:31, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok, but what I mean is that his monuments, although numerous, are all very small. And his monuments (most of them) were very weak in quality, so we can no longer see them. A great builder would have to, beside making a large number of monuments, make them powerful and strong enough to servive the elements of time. Harioris 12:29 4 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Are you sure we're looking at the same monuments? Ther're not exactly very small, they've just been mostly destroyed by later constructors or removed. A great builder is simply one whose building programs are active; it can have nothing to do with the quality, because that's subjective. And really, Egyptologists say regularly that he was a great builder, so that really appears to be the only big criterion. Thanatosimii 18:16, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Which egyptologists say that he was a great builder? Name them. If you just compare the size of the building ( an example) that he build at Luxor wiht the buildings of Ramesses II and Amenhotep III his part of the temple seems very small. The onely great mounument that Thutmose had build is the great festival hall at Karnak. Many egyptologists say about him "he was not interested in building". All his other building work on other locations is not very important. When a builder pharaoh, such as the ones I hade previously mentioned, builds, he bulds BIG, and that is the point. Name your monuments so that I can see if we are looking at the same ones. Harioris 11:31 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Grimal goes on for two pages listing his construction at karnak alone, the Oxford encyclopedia of Ancient Egypt attributes fifty temples to him. Gardiner speaks similarly about the size of his efforts at Karnak. However, his stuff has now been mostly torn down. If the temple of Luxor had been torn down and rebuilt by the Ptolemies as well, by your criterion, he wouldn't have been a great builder either. Now, the only reason that the phrase "great builder" should be removed is if your claim that he was "Not interested in building" holds up, and I quite think that the mere mass of text dedicated to his construction efforts here makes such a claim tenuous... Thanatosimii 20:56, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

"Family" section
I think the reference to Hatshepsut's co-regency should be moved to the section below, "Dates and length of reign"; it seems to take over a section that is supposed to be about his relatives and family. Some further background on his family such as grandparents and/or successors is probably needed here to give more context to who the man was rather than just "son of Thutmose II and Aset". The mention in the possible marriages sentence and the bit at the bottom about Merytre-Hatshepsut are awkward as well; there is no context to the statements "was not actually Hatshepsut's daughter" etc. Some more explanation about why this would be/was thought in the first place could probably help (note her article is lacking in explanation as to why as well). -- Editor at Large  •  talk  17:46, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Note too that this section seems to hold the mention that Merytre-Hatshepsut was not Hatshepsut's daughter in some doubt or at least makes whether is fact or not ambiguous, while the article states "[Merytre-Hatshepsut] is not related to Queen Hatshepsut". This isnt' directly referenced/cited and I'm not sure if it is a proven fact or has just been made certain through newly-found inscriptions or manuscripts. If it's fact we should state it as a fact, and if it is not the other article needs to be changed :) -- Editor at Large  •  talk  17:50, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

"Sesostris" candidate
It seems odd that there is no mention of Thutmose III as a likely basis for the Greek tales of conquests by the Pharaoh "Sesostris" (aka "Sesoosis", "Vesosis"). Although his name isn't similar, his achievements in foreign conquests are as close as any Egyptian pharaoh gets, and the timing of his reign is very close to that given by Herodotus (according to whom "Sesostris" was followed by a "Pheros", then by a "Proteus", who reigned during the Trojan war, and then by "Rhampsinitus", an obvious match for Rameses II).Mrcautious (talk) 02:11, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

 * I certainly can't find a source for that, whereas I can find a number of sources suggesting the name reflect the Pharaohs named Senwosret/Senusret. Our article on Sesostris needs references. Dougweller (talk) 06:30, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

weapons improvement
What weapons improvement? Describe. 4.249.63.67 (talk) 16:24, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

radiocarbon dating related to Thutmose III
See article from Science Direct at http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0305440312002270 71.163.117.143 (talk) 13:24, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

co-regency
There appears to be some discrepancy between this article and Hatshepsut's over whether or not a co-regency, de facto or de jure, actually existed. The Hatshepsut article states that the modern consensus is that she was pharaoh alone, and that the idea of a co-regency is outdated, but gives no reference for this claim. If a co-regency did exist perhaps it should be noted in his reignal dates.

99.239.72.120 (talk) 02:28, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

 * The Hatshepsut article doesn't make a lot of sense at this point. A coregency is a period when there are two crowned kings. You can't say that Hatshepsut wasn't just a coregent, but was actually a king, because that's what a coregent is. What that sentence is probably trying to say is that Hatshepsut shoved Thut III into the background to such an extent that she reigned as if she were the sole ruler of the country.

 * To my knowledge, no one has proposed that Thut III was only crowned upon Hatshepsut's death. Thanatosimii (talk) 03:12, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Discovery
We need a section on Tuthmosis's III Discover, meaning the archaeological side of things, and the items found in his tomb alongside his sarcophagus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shadowlance34 (talk • contribs) 23:08, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

April 24 and March 11
I'm not sure these specific dates are really the "usual" dates since as far as I can see, only Beckerath bothers to calculate the dates at all. And although this article has said April 24 for years, Beckerath's book actually says April 28, so I've changed that. (Apparently this article has said April 24 since at least 2009, judging from the "On This Day" section at the top...)

Beckerath himself cites Neugebauer, who matched up Egyptian calendar dates with Julian calendar dates. So, Sirius rose in the sky on 3 Shemu 25, which in Thutmose's time corresponds to July 18. The start of Thutmose's reign is 1 Shemu 4, or 81 days before that. July 18 - 81 days = April 28. Using the same calculation for Thutmose's death on 3 Peret 30 should give us March 25 (115 days before July 18), not March 11. Since I'm not an Egyptologist, maybe I I misunderstood how this works...in any case, since Beckerath says March 11, and we're citing Beckerath here, I guess we have to say March 11 too.

But from my reading it seems that the 1479-1425 dates aren't completely set in stone - it's actually much harder to prove the years than it is to prove the month and days. So it just seems unnecessarily misleading to give these very specific dates for his reign. (But as I said, I'm no Egyptologist...) Adam Bishop (talk) 21:54, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 August 2021
Hi, I am a Japanese Wikipedian of Ancient Egypt field and I think the first section is wrong. Section "name" says ""Eternal are the manifestations of Ra, Born of Thoth"" but the word "xpr" is the singular form, not a plural form. So that translation should be "Eternal is the manifestation of Ra". (Note:the infobox pharaoh says "Lasting" so it should be united) Thank you. Yuuyuu0430 (talk) 12:35, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:07, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I checked the text against the two sources already used to support the name (Clayton 1994 and Leprohon 2013) and have resolved this problem. The two sources give different translations of the name, but it's true that they both kheper as singular rather than plural. I don't know where that plural translation came from. A. Parrot (talk) 01:08, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

 * The trusted website I often use as the check says that Abydos king list 70/Saqqara king list 8 shows the singular form. There is no stroke signs such as or If you want to check the book about it, please read Beckerath, Handbuch der ägyptischen Königsnamen (1999), 136-137, 6:T1.--Yuuyuu0430 (talk) 04:11, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

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Novation

Novation, in contract law and business law, is the act of –

 * 1) replacing an obligation to perform with another obligation; or
 * 2) adding an obligation to perform; or
 * 3) replacing a party to an agreement with a new party.

In international law, novation is the acquisition of territory by a sovereign state through "the gradual transformation of a right in territorio alieno [in foreign territory] into full sovereignty without any formal and unequivocal instrument to that effect intervening".

History
"Novation", as a legal term, is derived from the Roman law, in which novatio was of three kinds: substitution of a new debtor (expromissio, or delegatio), of a new creditor (cessio nominum vel actionum), or of a new contract. The term was used by Henry de Bracton, a thirteenth-century English cleric and jurist.

The 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica notes that in English law ""the term ... is scarcely naturalized, the substitution of a new debtor or creditor being generally called an assignment, and of a new contract a merger. It is doubtful, however, whether merger applies except where the substituted contract is one of a higher nature, as where a contract under seal supersedes a simple contract. Where one contract is replaced by another, it is of course necessary that the new contract should be a valid contract, founded upon sufficient consideration ... The extinction of the previous contract is sufficient consideration. The question whether there is a novation most frequently arises in the course of dealing between a customer and a new partnership, and on the assignment of the business of a life assurance company with reference to the assent of the policyholders to the transfer of their policies. The points on which novation turns are whether the new firm or company has assumed the liability of the old, and whether, the creditor has consented to accept the liability of the new debtors and discharge the old. The question is one of fact in each case. See especially the Life Assurance Companies Act 1872, s. 7, where the word "novations" occurs in the marginal note to the section, and so has quasi-statutory sanction."" Under English case law, "discussions about novation to another company" which do not reach fruition will not be taken as evidence of a novation. Consent to a novation can be implied by conduct.

Scottish law seems to be more stringent than English law in the application of the doctrine of novation, and to need stronger evidence of the creditor's consent to the transfer of liability.

In American law, as in English, the term is something of a novelty, except in Louisiana, where much of the civil law is retained.

Novation vs. assignment
In contrast to an assignment, which is generally valid as long as the other party is given notice (except where the obligation is specific to the obligor, as in a personal service contract with a specific ballet dancer, or where assignment would place a new and special burden on the counterparty), a novation is valid only with the consent of all parties to the original agreement. A contract transferred by the novation process transfers all duties and obligations from the original obligor to the new obligor.

Examples of novation
For example, if there exists a contract whereby Dan will give a TV to Alex, and another contract whereby Alex will give a TV to Becky, then, it is possible to novate both contracts and replace them with a single contract wherein Dan agrees to give a TV to Becky. In contrast to assignment, novation requires the consent of all parties. Consideration is still required for the new contract, but it is usually assumed to be the discharge of the former contract.

Another classic example is when Company A enters a contract with Company B and a novation is included to ensure that if Company B sells, merges or transfers the core of their business to another company, the new company assumes the obligations and liabilities that Company B has with Company A under the contract. So in terms of the contract, a purchaser, merging party or transferee of Company B steps into the shoes of Company B with respect to its obligations to Company A. Alternatively, a "novation agreement" may be signed after the original contract in the event of such a change. This is common in contracts with governmental entities, an example being under the United States federal Anti-Assignment Act, where the governmental entity that originally issued the contract must agree to such a transfer or it is automatically invalid by law. Federal Acquisition Regulation 42.1204 covers the applicability of novation agreements when they are allowed as consistent with the interests of the government, and notes that "when it is in the Government's interest not to concur" the original obligor will retain responsibility for contractual performance.

The conditions for novation comprise the obligee's acceptance of the new obligor, the new obligor's acceptance of the liability, and the old obligor's acceptance of the new contract as full performance of the old contract, referred to in some cases as a "novation package". Novation is not a unilateral contract mechanism, hence allows room for negotiation on the new T&Cs under the new circumstances. Thus, 'acceptance of the new contract as full performance of the old contract' may be read in conjunction to the phenomenon of 'mutual agreement of the T&Cs'.

Novation is a common practice for design and build construction projects, where a design team is initially appointed by the client to undertake initial studies or prepare a more detailed design, but then when a contractor is appointed with a brief to complete the design and construct the building, the design contract is novated to the contractor. In the case of Galliford Try v Mott MacDonald (2008), the contracting parties had been discussing a novation of this kind but had not actually agreed it. Akenhead J therefore held that no novation had taken place. However, in Enterprise Managed Services Limited v Tony McFadden Utilities (2009) the fact that "large sums of money" had been paid to Tony McFadden provided a basis for the court to imply that a novation had actually taken place.

International law
Novation is also a means of acquiring title in international law. Examples include Some cases, like that of Belize, remain controversial.
 * Orkney and the Shetland Islands, which were pledged to Scotland by the King of Norway in lieu of a debt in 1468. They were annexed by Scotland in 1472;
 * Corsica, which was only pledged to France by the Republic of Genoa in a treaty of 1768; and
 * Belize, which was originally only a grant of logging rights to the British by Spain in the Treaty of Paris (1763).

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SYL

SYL may refer to:

 * Strapping Young Lad, a Canadian heavy metal band
 * Strapping Young Lad (album), 2003
 * Somali Youth League
 * Socialist Youth League (disambiguation), a number of groups with that name
 * National Union of University Students in Finland (SYL, Suomen ylioppilaskuntien liitto, Finlands studentkårers förbund, FSF)
 * Sutlej Yamuna link canal (SYL canal) in India
 * "SYL" (song), a song by Indian singer, rapper Sidhu Moose Wala
 * Scottish Young Labour, the youth wing of the Scottish Labour Party
 * Syon Lane railway station, London, England, National Rail station code
 * Sylheti language, an Eastern Indo-Aryan language, ISO 639-3 code
 * Yakutia Airlines, ICAO code

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Echi no Takutsu

Echi no Takutsu (kanji 朴市田来津) was a Yamato general who died in 663 during the Battle of Baekgang.

The Nihon Shoki records that in 661, Naka-no-Oe (soon to be the Emperor Tenji) sent a group of generals to help the country Baekje in its fight against Tang China and the kingdom of Silla. In what could almost be considered a side-note, the text states, "Takutsu, Hada no Miyakko, of Lower Shousen rank..." was sent to help Baekje. Echi no Takutsu is said to have died a heroic death at Baekgang, slaying "tens of men."

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Talk:Montrose (band)

Sammy Hagar and Denny Carmassi pre-Montrose?
I've heard that Sammy Hagar and Denny Carmassi recorded some demos together before they were in Montrose, but I don't know enough about this to feel comfortable putting that in the article. Gringo300 01:56, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Mitchell Froom
There was an extensive mention of Mitchell here on this page but since he was never in Montrose (the band), I felt is was inappropriate here and moved it to the Gamma page where he was a member. My apologies if anyone is offended. Bob Glickman

highest chart position - not convinced
As someone who "was there" at the time, and picked up the LP the same week it was released (for $3.27 - those were the days) I remember it lingering for a long time in the "middle position" of the bestseller racks in the stores. Such records were usually in the #60-#40 or so chart position. 133 seems to be a much too low a chart level, and the source for this may be outdated, or just plain wrong. It was a hot, much talked-about hard rock album that the kids at school picked up - if they were in that crowd - and I suspect it sold at least 150,000-200,000 over the first couple of months - of course, today it is platinum-plus. Requesting some research if anyone has a known RS. HammerFilmFan (talk) 21:12, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

 * I did a look around and came up with Billboard 200 No. 133 for Montrose, platinum status, and for a while not much else. The sources frankly range from so-so, to not very, notable.  AllMusic back in the day used to list chart positions, but have not done so for a couple of years or more now. However, this highly reliable source confirms No. 133 on June 15, 1974. You can't really argue with the horse's mouth, as it were.  I will cross reference the chart places on all their album articles, which frankly seem to suffer from a mixture of fancruft, pseudo rock journalism and absolute made-up bollocks.

 * Derek R Bullamore (talk) 16:43, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

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User:Sureshwilson

We will move ahead and make the earth a better place; not just for us, the human beings, but for every form of living being and the nature associated with it.

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User:Neroclaudius

student at Vienna Universitiy: history (medieval history and early modern age in Central Europe), political science (Austrian politics, Europaen Union)

native language: german

in german wikipedia: neroclaudius.

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Ezra Warner (inventor)

Ezra J. Warner of Waterbury, Connecticut was an American inventor, who patented his design of a can opener in 1858. A crudely shaped bayonet and sickle combo, his design was widely accepted by the U.S. military during the period of the American Civil War.

Can openers were needed because early cans were robust containers, which weighed more than food and required ingenuity to open, using whatever tools available. The instruction on those cans read "Cut round the top near the outer edge with a chisel and hammer." The bayonet part of Ezra Warner's can opener was pressed into the can, and a metal guard kept it from penetrating too far into the can. The other part was the sickle, which was forced into the can and sawed around the edge. However, Warner’s can opener was not a tool for domestic use, because it could be dangerous. Grocers opened the cans before they left the store. The first widespread domestic can opener was patented by William Lyman.

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Dust (disambiguation)

Dust consists of fine, solid particles of matter borne in the air settling onto surfaces. Dust may also refer to:

Film

 * Dust (1916 film), a 1916 American film by Edward Sloman
 * Dust (1985 film), a film based on J. M. Coetzee's In the Heart of the Country
 * Dust (2001 film) or Прашина, a film directed by Milčo Mančevski
 * Dust or Toz, a 2005 Turkish film
 * Dust (2005 film) or Пыль, a Russian film by Serguei Loban
 * Dust (2009 film), a film by Max Jacoby
 * Dust (2012 film), a Guatemalan film

Literature

 * Dust (novel), a 2013 novel by Patricia Cornwell
 * Dust (comics), a character in the X-Men franchise
 * Dust (His Dark Materials), a fictional form of matter in Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials
 * Dust, a novel in the Jacob's Ladder Trilogy by Elizabeth Bear
 * Dust, a 2007 novel by Martha Grimes
 * Dust, a 2013 novel in the Silo series by Hugh Howey
 * Dust, a 1998 novel by Charles R. Pellegrino
 * Dust, a 2001 novel by Arthur Slade
 * Dust, a comic book series from Image Comics
 * "Dust", a poem by Rupert Brooke

Music

 * Dust (band), a 1970s hard rock group

Albums

 * Dust (Ellen Allien album) (2010)
 * Dust (Benjy Davis Project album) (2007)
 * Dust (DJ Muggs album) (2003)
 * Dust (Dust album) (1971)
 * Dust (Laurel Halo album) (2017)
 * Dust (Ben Monder album) (1997)
 * Dust (Peter Murphy album) (2002)
 * Dust (Peatbog Faeries album) (2011)
 * Dust (Screaming Trees album) (1996)
 * Dust (Tremonti album) (2016)

Songs

 * "Dust" (Royworld song)
 * "Dust" (Eli Young Band song)
 * "Dust", a 2008 song by Bic Runga from Try to Remember Everything
 * "Dust", a 2004 song by Van Hunt from Van Hunt
 * "Dust", a 2013 song by Gen Hoshino from the single "Gag"

Television

 * "Dust" (The Twilight Zone), a 1961 episode of The Twilight Zone
 * "Dust" (Sliders), a 2000 episode of Sliders
 * Dust, a magical element used in the RWBY web series
 * Dust, a science fiction label for Gunpowder & Sky Studios; see Kyle Higgins

Video games

 * Dust: A Tale of the Wired West, a 1995 PC adventure game
 * Dust: An Elysian Tail, a 2012 video game
 * Dust 514, an MMO/FPS console game developed by CCP
 * Dust II, a video game level map in the online multiplayer first-person shooter Counter-Strike

Science and technology

 * Dust (relativity), an idealization of a cold gas
 * Angel dust, a name for phencyclidine
 * Asian dust, meteorological phenomenon from East Asia
 * Cantor dust, a zero-measure 2D fractal
 * Cosmic dust or interstellar dust, in intergalactic clouds
 * Dust solution, a type of exact solution in general relativity
 * Mineral dust, atmospheric aerosols of mineral origin
 * Neural dust, proposed application of smartdust as a brain-computer interface
 * Smartdust, miniaturized wireless sensor networks

Other uses

 * Dust (ballet), a 2014 contemporary ballet choreographed by Akram Khan
 * DUST (watchdust.com), a sci-fi streaming service owned by Gunpowder & Sky
 * Dust Networks, a US company specializing in the design and manufacture of wireless sensor networks
 * Fannings or dust, the lowest possible grade of tea
 * Dust ruffle, a decorative piece used to cover the boxspring and legs of the bed

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Talk:Dust (disambiguation)

There was a book based on 20's saskachewan where I man sold the stardust in kids to stars or something. Jamhaw 19:01, 19 December 2006 (UTC)jamhaw

I added this:

"* DUST, is a sci-fi short film platform"

that was promptly deleted. The DUST platform is relatively famous (reference here for example

 * https://blog.feedspot.com/short_film_blogs/
 * https://geektyrant.com/news/this-sci-fi-fantasy-film-dust-is-one-of-the-best-shorts-ive-ever-seen

... few of many on a quick google search...) ... bye Ciampix (talk) 10:56, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Friend of Dorothy

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was KEEP. JeremyA 23:57, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Friend of Dorothy
Merge and redirect to Gay slang. Simply reproduces what's already there. Exploding Boy 02:00, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment If your intent was not for the content to be deleted, you probably should have just been bold and merged it yourself without VfDing it. GFDL requires that we keep the page's history if the content is merged to another article and this page is redirected, and therefore deleting the page (which takes the history with it) is not a valid option. See the discussion here for information on this. This applies to your other VfD submissions today as well, I believe. -- Barfooz  (talk)  03:36, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * My intent was more to avoid knee-jerk un-redirects actually. With discussion here the page can be deleted without fear, and the information really is covered well enough at gay slang that we could probably just redirect.  Exploding Boy 17:16, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep This is a common term with historical significance. Within the GLBT community it is very well known.  It is much more than slang...it is a part of a subversive communication strategy developed by the gay community during a time when it faced governmental and police suppression.  This article should remain where it is and be available for expansion.Tobycat 06:39, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge — Chameleon 12:52, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * keep this could have potential. --TimPope 23:07, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep historically significant slang term. If anyone can verify, we could add the story I heard once, that the F.B.I. actually believed there was a "head homosexual" code-named Dorothy. --Angr/undefined 23:49, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Heard that story myself. I'm sure it was in an interview with somebody who'd written a book on gay culture in the 50s. If somebody who know more about gay issues than I do could track down that source and add it to the article, it would push Friend of Dorothy over the dicdef/article boundary.Isaac R 01:43, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep There is enormous potential for expansion on Judy Garland's role as a gay subculture icon. Xoloz 03:40, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * That would belong in Judy Garland. ---Isaac R 04:13, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I have to disagree. The gay icon aspect of Judy Garland is only one part of the Friend of Dorothy phenomenon.  The key point is that there was a time not so long ago when gay people needed to talk to one another using code.  This was one of the common codes in the 50's and 60's and the article has a lot of potential to grow.  It's ironic that this is coming up for VfD during GLBT history month.Tobycat 04:32, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Ditto TobyCat. Although every hobby today might call itself a "subculture", Garland was truly a subterrarean icon.  The term passed into common language only long after Garland death, once the political climate changed, so including that explanation in her bio-article would grossly distort the historical development of the term. Xoloz 04:59, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and expand. Historically significant term. JamesBurns 04:24, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep … G u y M … (soapbox) 01:12, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep It was useful in looking up an MST3K reference :-) adjensen 02:29, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * MergeSeeky 21:47, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep -- Francs2000 | Talk 00:42, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect Agree to redirect to gay slang. No need for seperate stubBarneygumble 21:45, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. More than a wiktionary defition and a well-enough known phrase to have its own article. David | Talk 13:33, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is a very old term with a very long history which can be referenced and discussed quite a bit. Especially in the context of Tobycat's comment above. --Sketchee 00:57, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. --[[Image:Ottawa flag.png|20px]] Spinboy 00:23, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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User:Hydrargyrum

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This editor started editing Wikipedia anonymously on 1 June 2005, and figured out a week later that it would be more fun to get a user name to keep score of contributions. The first edit under this identity was on 8 June 2005 — 24 years, 6 months, 5 days ago.

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Talk:Novation

This is a stub, not a dicdef - article needs much expansion, and there is much to be added. -- BD2412 talk 02:01, 2005 Jun 11 (UTC)

Novation is also a concept in civil law. Eulen 01:05, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

is this a new definition for novation
see defn of novation here

http://www.pharmaceutical-journal.com/opinion/comment/the-reforms-of-pharmacy-in-england-are-novations-and-replacements/10040587.article

im new to this = forgive me if im breaking any protocols —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.110.162.61 (talk) 23:45, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

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Milieu control

Milieu control is a term popularized by psychiatrist Robert Jay Lifton to describe tactics that control environment and human communication through the use of social pressure and group language; such tactics may include dogma, protocols, innuendo, slang, and pronunciation, which enables group members to identify other members, or to promote cognitive changes in individuals. Lifton originally used "milieu control" to describe brainwashing and mind control, but the term has since been applied to other contexts.

Background
Milieu control involves the control of communication within a group environment, that also may (or may not) result in a significant degree of isolation from surrounding society. When non-group members, or outsiders, are considered or potentially labeled as less valuable without basis for stated group-supported and group-reinforced prejudice, group members may have a tendency to then consider themselves as intellectually superior, which can limit alternate points of view, thus becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy in which group members automatically begin to devalue others and the intellect of others that are separate from their group, without logical rationale for doing so. Additionally, Milieu control "includes other techniques to restrict members' contact with the outside world and to be able to make critical, rational, judgments about information."

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New Town Plaza

New Town Plaza is a shopping mall in the town centre of Sha Tin, Hong Kong. Developed by Sun Hung Kai Properties, it was the biggest shopping centre in the New Territories when it was completed in the early 1980s. Covering 200,000 square metres (49.4 acres), the plaza comprises Phase 1 (the main mall) and Phase 3, which are connected to each other, as well as the Grand Central Plaza, which is less than one kilometre from Phase 1. Phase 1 underwent extensive renovation from 2003 to 2008.

The nine-storey shopping centre is right next to Sha Tin station and Citylink Plaza. It is one of the busiest shopping malls in Hong Kong. There are many different transportation links to New Town Plaza, such as shuttle services from nearby estates, minibus routes, the MTR station located right within the plaza itself, and so forth.

Phase 1

 * LB: Play Park
 * UB: Play Park
 * Level 1: MOVIE TOWN Cinema, restaurants
 * Level 2: c!ty'super, Uniqlo, Beauty & Health Care
 * Level 3: Luxury & Beauty, Fashion, Cosmetics, agnès b., Bally, Coach, American Eagle, ZARA, Tommy Hilfiger, SaSa and a roof garden with Pet play area
 * Level 4: Fashion & Accessories, Apple Store, IT, G2000, H&M
 * Level 5: Trendy, Casual & Sports Wear and a roof garden
 * Level 6: Electric World (Fortess, DG Lifestyle, Broadway, Suning, AV Life)
 * Level 7: THE MENU@Level 7, a CD shop and a roof garden in which a music fountain is included
 * Level 8: Maxim's Chinese Restaurant
 * Level 9: Roof garden

Phase 3
New Town Plaza Phase 3 (新城市廣場第三期) is a private housing estate and a shopping arcade. It comprises 5 high-rise buildings and a 3-floor shopping arcade built between 1990 and 1991. Phase 3 underwent extensive renovation from 2017 to 2019, to increase the shops, the existing atrium from Level 1 to Level 2 have been removed.

Layout of the shopping arcade after renovation:
 * Level 1: Yata (一田), Department Store, Drop off area
 * Level 2: Toys "R" Us, Commercial Press, MUJI, Children's wear and various stores
 * Level 3: Decathlon, Foot Locker, GU, comesics store and restaurants

Layout of the shopping arcade before renovation:
 * Level 1: Toys "R" Us, Commercial Press, Children's wear and various stores, Drop off area
 * Level 2: Yata (一田) Department Store
 * Level 3: Yata supermarket & food court, fashion store, comesics store and various stores

Grand Central Plaza
The Grand Central Plaza complex (新城市中央廣場) houses the HomeSquare shopping mall.
 * Levels 1 – 3: Furniture
 * Levels 5 & 6: IKEA flagship store in Hong Kong, in which a restaurant serving Swedish dishes is included

Snoopy's World
On the podium of Level 3 of Phase 1, there is an outdoor playground called the "Snoopy's World", the first Peanuts outdoor playground in Asia. It opened to the public on 1 September 2000.

Spots in Snoopy's World

 * Doghouse Entry: the Snoopy House
 * School Plaza: Peanuts Academy
 * Boating Canal: Canoe Ride
 * Baseball Playground: Peanuts Dugout
 * Mini Town Area: Peanuts Boulevard
 * Covered Sitting Pavilion: Party Pavilion

Musical fountain
When New Town Plaza Phase 1 opened, an oval musical fountain at the centre of Level 3 was an icon of the shopping mall and the largest musical fountain in Asia. It was demolished in August 2004 and then, in May 2005, rebuilt on the roof garden of Level 7, opening in November that year. But it was then closed in 2015 which is the year of New Town Plaza has opened 30 years.

Nearby shopping malls

 * New Town Plaza Phase 3 (新城市廣場第三期)
 * Grand Central Plaza (新城市中央廣場)
 * Citylink Plaza (連城廣場)
 * Shatin Centre (沙田中心)
 * Shatin Plaza (沙田廣場)
 * Lucky Plaza (好運中心)
 * Wai Wah Centre (偉華中心)
 * Hilton Plaza (希爾頓中心)

Nearby facilities

 * Sha Tin Town Hall (沙田大會堂)
 * Sha Tin Public Library (沙田公共圖書館)
 * Sha Tin Marriage Registry (沙田婚姻註冊處)
 * Sha Tin Park (沙田公園)
 * Royal Park Hotel (帝都酒店), also developed by Sun Hung Kai Properties, and is regarded as Phase 2 of the New Town Plaza project. It has been designated as the Olympic Village in Hong Kong for the Beijing Olympics 2008.

During the Anti-ELAB movement in 2019
New Town Plaza is one of the key locations for the Anti-ELAB movement, which originated from a peaceful protest held on 14 July in Sha Tin escalated into intense confrontations between the protesters and the police when the protesters were kettled inside New Town Plaza. Sun Hung Kai Properties were scrutinised for allowing the police to enter the shopping centre without proper permit.

In September 2019, protesters gathered several times in different shopping malls to sing for the song Glory to Hong Kong. On 11 September 2019, around 1000 people sang the song in New Town Plaza together that night, with crowds of people singing the song in other shopping malls around Hong Kong as well.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James Oates

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was DELETE. Golbez 06:44, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

James Oates
Non-notable losing parliamentary candidate. There are thousands of them and very few deserve articles. Joolz 02:01, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete him until elected. — Chameleon 12:52, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Winning would have made him encyclopaedia-worthy. Absent that, there has to be some other factor that makes this person satisfy the WP:BIO criteria, which as the article stands there currently is not. Delete. Uncle G 13:48, 2005 Jun 11 (UTC)
 * Delete as per User:Uncle G. Double Blue  (Talk) 15:17, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete --Phroziac 17:38, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * delete lacks notability --TimPope 23:09, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. I agree that unsuccessful political candidates aren't notable unless they've done additional stuff to make them so. In fact I argued as much here and here -- with no success. So now I have to play Devil's Advocate and ask: Why is Mr. Oates less notable than other unsuccessful politicians? Isaac R 01:53, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * So, can this article be expanded beyond a stub? -- Phroziac (talk) 04:17, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Deleete nn.  Grue   13:22, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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Harold M. Sewall

Harold Marsh Sewall (January 3, 1860 – October 28, 1924) was an American politician and diplomat.

Sewall was born in Bath, Sagadahoc County, Maine. He was the son of Arthur Sewall. Sewall served in the Maine House of Representatives, 1896, and from 1903 to 1907; he was a delegate to Republican National Convention from Maine, 1896. He was the last United States Minister to Hawaii, arriving in 1897 to the Republic of Hawaii after the death of Albert Sydney Willis, and returning in 1898 after annexation formed the Territory of Hawaii. He was a member of the Maine State Senate, from 1907 to 1909 and was a candidate for the United States representative from Maine 2nd district, 1914; member of Republican National Committee from Maine, 1924. He died in a hospital at New York City. His interment was at Oak Grove Cemetery, Bath, Maine.

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Cathedral Choral Society

The Cathedral Choral Society is a 200-voice symphonic, volunteer chorus based at the Washington National Cathedral. The late J. Reilly Lewis was music director from 1985-2016. He succeeded Paul Callaway, who founded the group in 1941. The ensemble performs primarily at the Washington National Cathedral, and also appears regularly at such venues as the Kennedy Center and Wolf Trap.

In 2006, the Society announced the establishment of an endowment fund in memory of Richard Wayne Dirksen, who served the society in wide-ranging capacities during his half-century tenure at the Cathedral. The endowment will commission new carols and help support the ensemble's annual Joy of Christmas concerts.

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Hagar Schon Aaronson Shrieve

Hagar Schon Aaronson Shrieve (also known as HSAS) was a rock supergroup band featuring lead vocalist Sammy Hagar, lead guitarist Neal Schon, bassist Kenny Aaronson and drummer Michael Shrieve. The group reportedly rehearsed for less than a month before playing in concert. They released a semi-live album, recorded during two live performances at The Warfield in San Francisco, entitled Through the Fire. The album includes a cover of Procol Harum's "A Whiter Shade of Pale".

Formation
After the release of Journey's Frontiers in early 1983, guitarist Neal Schon decided to pursue another project with vocalist/guitarist Sammy Hagar. Hagar had released his Three Lock Box album in late 1982 and afterwards took a three-month safari vacation in Africa. Schon and Hagar then began looking for other musicians to complete the band. In an interview from mid-1983, Schon talked about the band's formation: "Sammy and I just get along so well. We're already working on an album together, and it's a killer! Right now we have Denny Carmassi, who used to work with Sammy on drums, and we're looking for a bassist. We worked a bit with Tom Petersson, but I guess he had other commitments."

Schon went on the Frontiers tour with Journey from February to September 1983, and then reconvened with Hagar. By this time, Carmassi had left the band to join Heart, and the remaining two band members became Kenny Aaronson on bass and Michael Shrieve on drums. Shrieve and Schon had played together in Santana in the early 1970s.

Through the Fire
To record their album, the band played live dates from November 9, 1983, to November 21, 1983, at the Warfield Theatre. Two of the dates, November 14 and November 15 in San Francisco, California were recorded and broadcast by MTV. This footage was aired at least once but was never released on official videotapes or DVDs. The album Through the Fire was edited in-studio to reduce the crowd noise, but otherwise was left as recorded.

A full concert of the band was also aired on the radio as a Westwood One broadcast. The original tracks that did not make the album include: "Movin' In for the Kill", "Tough Enough", "Through the Eyes of Love", "Hope and Fear", "What Will Never Be", and "Since You Came" (later revisited by Hagar as "The Love" on Red Voodoo (1999).

The first single released was their cover version of "A Whiter Shade of Pale" in May 1984, which reached No. 94 on the Billboard Hot 100 charts. Another single released, "Top of the Rock" (as a promo only,) peaked at #15 on the "Billboard" Top Rock Tracks, and it became popular in various airplay regions of the United States. In addition, a third single from H.S.A.S., "Missing You" (also promo only,) peaked at #37 on the Top Rock Tracks.

The band toured briefly in California in 1984, adding rhythm guitarist Nick Sciorsci for live performances.

Later projects
HSAS only produced one album before Schon returned to Journey, and Hagar recorded his VOA album and subsequently joined Van Halen. Hagar and Schon reunited almost 20 years later to form the short-lived Planet Us project, which would also feature past Van Halen and future Chickenfoot and Sammy Hagar and the Circle bassist Michael Anthony.

Studio albums

 * Through the Fire (1984)

Singles

 * "Whiter Shade of Pale" (1984)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Julia Wassell

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Julia Wassell
Another non-notable losing parliamentary candidate. Joolz 02:05, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete her until elected. — Chameleon 12:51, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Winning would have made her encyclopaedia-worthy. Absent that, there has to be some other factor that makes this person satisfy the WP:BIO criteria, which as the article stands there currently is not. Delete. Uncle G 13:48, 2005 Jun 11 (UTC)
 * Delete as per User:Uncle G. Double Blue  (Talk) 15:17, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete --Phroziac 17:40, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * delete lacks notability --TimPope 23:10, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn.  Grue   13:21, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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Vuntut National Park

Vuntut National Park (Parc national Vuntut) is a national park located in northern Yukon, Canada. It was established in 1995 as part of the Vuntut Gwitchin First Nation Final Agreement, to conserve, protect and present to Canadians a portion of the North Yukon Natural Region, to recognize Vuntut Gwitchin history and culture, and to protect the traditional and current use of the park by the Vuntut Gwitchin. The name Vuntut comes from the Gwichʼin for among the lakes. Fewer than 25 people visit the park each year.

Accessing the park can be challenging due to its remote wilderness. During the summer the park is commonly accessed by air or boat. In the winter it is commonly accessed by air or land. The best time to visit the park is from June to August. The park is open year-round and there are no facilities or developed trails. A permit is required for backcountry use and camping. Sport-fishing is not allowed in the park.

Animals that inhabit this park include caribou, foxes, peregrine falcons, Yukon moose, grizzly bears, Yukon wolves, muskrats, black bears, wolverines, gyrfalcons, muskoxen, golden eagles, pine martens, ground squirrels, lynxes, and minks.

Vuntut National Park is adjacent to another Canadian National Park, Ivvavik National Park. The Arctic National Wildlife Refuge also lies just across the Canada–US border in Alaska.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Danny Yee

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Danny Yee
Though Mr. Yee, who is also a wikipedia editor, has an impressive list of book reviews and USENET contributions, notability is not firmly established in the article as written. A google search (multiple variations) is useless as "Danny Yee" seems like a rather common name. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson 02:06, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Userfy: Although I think EFF is good, and history on the net is good, it's not notability.  I'd say userfy, and we can always break it out to an article again.  Wikibofh 04:24, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Userfy or Delete (per Danny Yee's preference). unless it can be shown that being a board member of EFF Australia is a particularly significant thing, and that his actions as a board member have had significant impact in Australia. Sounds like a nice guy, but since he's a relatively new editor, maybe he wasn't aware of WP:VAIN . A и D я 01D  TALK  EMAIL  04:33, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * WP:VAIN isn't really relevant - I didn't create the entry. But I agree it's pretty borderline, so I'm happy for it to go away (I almost blogged the entry when I found it, with a tag along the lines of "You know Wikipedia is out of control when..."). -- Danny Yee 09:45, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Given that the original article was started by a couple of anonymous users, I jumped to the conclusion that you had started it before you registered. My bad. Thanks for taking this so gracefully. A и D я 01D  TALK  EMAIL  19:59, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * BTW, it's not EFF Australia, it's Electronic Frontiers Australia (must do some work on that article!), and it's not affiliated with the EFF, though it was inspired by it. Also, almost all the Google results for "Danny Yee" are in fact references to me, if that's any help. -- Danny Yee 09:48, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Further digging sees that indeed, they are, for which I apologize. If notability can be further elaborated in the article, I will change my vote and withdraw my nomination.  --Jeffrey O. Gustafson 08:32, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Userfy. — Chameleon 12:46, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Userfy. JamesBurns 04:26, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Note on nomination: As an elaboration in line with recent comments, my nomination is for a Userfy rather than a straight-up deletion. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson 08:32, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * As bloggers go, I'm very small fry (among the least significant in the Bloggers category), while there are a good number of Australian civil liberties or free software activists who need entries before I do - most notably EFA executive director Irene Graham. Which leaves http://dannyreviews.com, but I can't think of anyone achieving notability just as a book reviewer - online, Harriet Klausner (of 3000+ reviews at Amazon fame) is probably the best candidate, though I can't get excited by one paragraph reviews of romance novels.  So just delete it - I'll rewrite my user page. -- Danny Yee 11:58, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Let Danny build his own User page unencombered.--Takver 12:12, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Userfy -- if that's what Danny wants, or delete. - Longhair | Talk 12:15, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Recently Danny has commented in his blog on how Google had curiously demoted his site in their search rankings so that even if you search specifically on the name of his site the actual site appears well down in the returned results. I speculate that a reader of Danny's blog may have thought that adding an entry to Wikipedia on Danny with links to his site may positively affect its Google ranking. Notice I am certainly not suggesting that Danny did this or would condone adding material to Wikipedia for this purpose. Oska 00:12, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, my current best theory as to why Google thinks my web sites are spam is that lots of spammers/scrapers have created junk pages with links to my pages on them. And part of that problem comes from having so many Open Directory entries... The web is not as friendly a place as it was back in 1994. -- Danny Yee 04:56, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Anyway, I'm not sure how this voting for deletion works - should I just remove the article myself now or is it automated somehow? -- Danny Yee 04:56, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * It'll be handled by an administrator Danny, once the discussion time is up (5 days). See Deletion policy and Guide to Votes for deletion. A curious process for you to go through. I hope you remain undeleted in the real world for a long time to come :) Oska 01:45, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aunt Mary

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Aunt Mary
If this is a real gay expression, which I doubt, it should be merged and redirected with gay slang Exploding Boy 02:05, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree with Exploding Boy for the Merge.--EatAlbertaBeef 02:09, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * A close look at the first 30 results for the Google search "Aunt Mary" + gay reveals no linkage between the terms. The closest link between "Aunt Mary" and gay is this article . Quote:

 * John Ridener, 25, said that in his hometown of Corbin, he recalls a strange silence hovering over the subject of homosexuality.
 * "It's almost like your Aunt Mary - the crazy old aunt upstairs who everyone knows is there but no one talks about," he said.

 * Many of the other results are for a Marcy Playground song called Saint Joe on the School Bus, which refers to "Aunt Mary" but does not have the word "gay" in it. I believe that this was made up by someone. Delete. -- Barfooz  (talk)  03:07, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Further comment: Link to an essay on a play called "Aunt Mary" that deals with gay issues. . Never explicitly explains why the character is called Aunt Mary. Perhaps this slightly weakens the case against the term, but still, I emphasize that I have found no explicit confirmation of "Aunt Mary" meaning "gay". -- Barfooz  (talk)  03:13, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete: Barfooz's research shows why the author didn't give any place for verification: it's unverifiable. It looks like the gay slang of "Mary" with "Aunt" in front of it.  Wow.  Next will be Uncle Twinkie no doubt. Geogre 03:40, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable, if it exists at all. -- BD2412 talk 03:45, 2005 Jun 11 (UTC)
 * Merge or delete. — Chameleon 12:50, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Unverifiable. Double Blue  (Talk) 15:19, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * No evidence of notability or of actual use. Someone's private slang - delete. - Mike Rosoft 18:18, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete unless it can be verified. (Useful term though!) --Angr/undefined 23:53, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to Gay slang. JamesBurns 04:25, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - But it sounds like something Larry Kramer came up with...  ℬ astique ▼ talk 05:32, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete unless verified by a reputable source. --TenOfAllTrades(talk) 16:10, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete … G u y M … (soapbox) 01:17, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to Gay slang. CDThieme 02:45, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete unless it can be verified. Though it is a good word. --Taejo 15:11, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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User talk:Thewie

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Effort
I know that you might be a newbie here on Wikipedia, but, try to put more effort on the articles you have created. i.e. Return to Del, an Deltora Quest article that you created is needing cleanup. Please put a LOT more effort into your articles. Weirdy 02:09, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

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User talk:62.252.192.8

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Please stop adding nonsense to Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. Hadal 02:07, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. --JYolkowski // talk 20:38, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page you will be blocked from editing. --JYolkowski // talk 01:02, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Evil Monkey∴Hello 01:12, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)

yeah at least i'm not a homo ROFL (btw this is your mother) ~EVIL MONKEY'S MOTHER
 * You have been temporarily blocked from editing for vandalism of Wikipedia. If you wish to make useful contributions, you are welcome to come back after the block expires. Evil Monkey∴Hello 01:34, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)

Obey Giant
The Obey Giant link is not "famewhoring". It's a relevant link. If you've read anything on Obey Giant, you'll know that it's an experiment in phenomenology.

Please respond within one week otherwise I will revert your changes.

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Please stop adding nonsense to Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you.

BMIComp (talk) 1 July 2005 08:47 (UTC)

Tír na nÓg
Recreating the Tír na nÓg article is pointless. Tír na nÓg is the same thing as Mag Mell. Why not just let it redirect there? ‡  Jarlaxle   July 1, 2005 23:50 (UTC) Note: This message was copied from User talk:62.252.192.9. ‡  Jarlaxle   July 1, 2005 23:55 (UTC)

Sandbox edit
This edit was so funny! :-) --Lst27 ( t a l k )  8 July 2005 20:03 (UTC)
 * Hehehe... I'm proud to say that as me. I keep putting it back :-p Deskana 10th July 2005, 23:14 (GMT)

don't try to reinstate your vanity page Chris
It's not worth it and I'll have to ban you. List at WP:VFU if you want to chance your arm... Dunc|☺ 8 July 2005 21:50 (UTC)

Stop vandalizing Wikipedia
Thank you. Exploding Boy 02:40, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

 * Your account has been blocked for one hour. Exploding Boy 02:47, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

 * They vandalised my user page. It was quite funny though! I know exactly who it was though... Deskana 08:53, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

VfD notices
Please don't remove VfD notices from articles. Thanks, JYolkowski // talk 14:35, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism
Please do not vandalize articles. This sort of offense can include inserting nonsense into articles, blanking articles, or otherwise changing articles with obviously unwanted content. This serves no other purpose than creating more work for Wikipedia's editors and administrators. If you do continue, your account and/or IP will be blocked. Kelly Martin 23:33, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

 * Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia.  (And, for the record, I'm a lesbian, not a faggot.  Get it straight.) Kelly Martin 23:34, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

 * Adding nonsense is vandalism. The Daniel Garry article is going to be deleted. In the meantime, don't bother us with more inappropriate content there (or anywhere else). Dystopos 13:46, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

 * You are vandalising wikipedia. You can see the evidence of this act here:.

 * You are continuing to vandalise. Please stop. Evidence of this act at: . DarthVader 14:52, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

 * This IP is blocked for six hours. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 15:03, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

 * Do you want to be blocked again? I have no problem blocking an IP used by multiple users for this kind of vandalism. -- Francs2000 | Talk [[Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg|25px|  ]] 23:44, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Do not add commercial links to Wikipedia pages. -- Essjay ·  Talk 05:14, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. -- Essjay ·  Talk 05:16, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

01:21, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and has been removed. Please use Sandbox for any other tests you want to do, since testing in articles will be removed quickly. Please see the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks. Func( t, c ) 01:21, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Polite warning
 * Please stop adding nonsense to Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism.  If you want to experiment, please use the sandbox.  Thank you. Func( t, c ) 01:26, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Warning

 * Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Func( t, c ) 01:30, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Final warning ''This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page you will be blocked from editing.'' Func( t, c ) 01:31, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Don't spam
no WP:SPAM please (sorry if this gets to the wrong user) Dunc|☺ 14:13, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

11:40, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
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 * Please stop removing content from Wikipedia; it is considered vandalism. If you want to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you.  Dan100 (Talk) 18:40, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Linuxbeak | Talk | Desk 22:40, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

Caught red-handed committing the sin of autobiography
You've been rumbled. Please tell us all which Manchester Lib Dem councillor you are. David | Talk 22:03, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism
Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Amren (talk) 23:57, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Stop recreating deleted content, it is disruptive. Jtkiefer T - 00:28, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

BLOCKED
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Bernard Koopman

Bernard Osgood Koopman (January 19, 1900 – August 18, 1981) was a French-born American mathematician, known for his work in ergodic theory, the foundations of probability, statistical theory and operations research.

Education and work
After living in France and Italy, Koopman emigrated to the United States in 1915. Koopman was a student of George David Birkhoff and his initial work concentrated on dynamical systems and mathematical physics.

In 1931/1932, Koopman and John von Neumann proposed a Hilbert space formulation of classical mechanics, known as the Koopman–von Neumann classical mechanics.

During World War II, he joined the Anti-Submarine Warfare Operations Research Group (ASWORG, later ORG) in Washington, D.C., directed by Philip M. Morse, to work for the U.S. Navy. The work of Koopman and his colleagues at ASWORG concerned the development of techniques for the US Navy to hunt U-boats. The theoretical work laid the foundations for search theory which subsequently became a field of its own within operations research. Their results remained classified Confidential for many years after the war; after 1955 Koopman set out to publish three articles on easily declassifiable portions of the work in the Journal of the Operations Research Society of America. He wrote down the results in detailed form in the book Search and Screening which was declassified in 1958. A large part of his work is a systematization of the work performed by his group at ASWORG; the portions on optimum allocation of search effort and on probabilistic aspects of search theory were developed by Koopman himself.

The Pitman–Koopman–Darmois theorem states that the only families of probability distributions that admit a sufficient statistic whose dimension remains bounded as the sample size increases are exponential families.

Family
Koopman had two daughters from his first wife Mary Louise Harvey who died in 1946. In 1948 he married Jane Bridgman, daughter of his Harvard professor of thermodynamics, Percy Williams Bridgman, and they had three more daughters.

Koopman's mother, née Louise Osgood, was a first cousin of William Fogg Osgood, and his father, Augustus Koopman (1869-1914), was a well known painter.

Publications

 * This is the paper in which the Pitman–Koopman theorem, sometimes called the Pitman–Koopman–Darmois theorem, appeared.
 * "The axioms and algebra of intuitive probability", Annals of Mathematics 41, 269–292, 1940.
 * "The bases of probability", Bulletin of the American Mathematical Society, 46, 763–774, 1940.
 * "Intuitive probabilities and sequences", Annals of Mathematics 42, 169–187, 1941.
 * Search and Screening, first edition 1946 (classified Confidential, declassified in 1958).
 * Search and Screening, first edition 1946 (classified Confidential, declassified in 1958).

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