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Greek mythology
You recently made some edits to the articles for Twelve Olympians and Homeric Hymns because you thought it was strange that they were implying that Hesiod wrote of the Titans but not of the Olympians. They weren't implying that. He wrote about the Olympians, but he didn't use the term "the Twelve Olympians." That's a specific subset of the Olympians.

So I reverted your edits to those two articles. If you also made a similar edit to the article for Titans (mythology) then that should be reverted too. Although I think you might not've made a similar edit to that article, even though the edits you made to the other articles were about that article. - Shaheenjim (talk) 23:47, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

re: and and

 * 0) I didn't think it strange, I found it to be confusing, contradictory, and poorly handled across articles. In short, the extant phrasing in both articles created a confusion... which I (in my ignorance) attempted to edit away. I made no changes to the Titans page, btw.

 * 1) That's why the fact tag... in Homeric Hymns — I was looking for an expert to address the ambiguity and confusions... hope you fixed up the language so is preventive of another misinterpretation. Cross-topic integration is an important thing to keep in mind with writing between articles which link--and are likely to be cross read by our customers.
 * ASIDE: The timing on these classical studies and/or antiquities articles is most often too weasel worded in general. Stating a date range like "7th cen. BC" is subject to wide misunderstanding... particularly when the timespan is BCE...
 * better to augment with an appropriate parenthetical date range with appropriate "at the earliest", "before ...", "around ...", "no later than ...", and such non-academic plain language as educates etc.
 * A certain amount of dumbing-down so stuff is readable (and understandable, because of context) by the general population is a good thing... our mission, I figure.

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 * 2) The distinction between Olympians and twelve Olympians is I suspect too subtle and specialized for reliance on such that the readers are following the specialist mindset. I follow it as someone with at least half-a-dozen mythology references on my bookshelves, but the average lay reader isn't going to have those, or my lifelong interests... so the article needs clarified if you mean to make the distinction. Normally, if worthy, that would and should require a separate article with prominent disambig crosslink at the page top. Somehow, I don't figure any article on Minor Olympians is coming any day soon... Is there a list article covering such? list of Olympians strikes out... but...  THAT would be one good way to cover that need, and be encyclopedic to boot. We should have one, I conclude.

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 * 3) Most of us would agree that the Olympians disambig page, which links to that Twelve Olympians page also needs further separate delineation of your very technical distinction . That would also need handled  on the 'twelve Olympians' page up in the intro so to set in place for us and to us in the general population such picayune specialty knowledge.
 * (before closing, I made a stab at some disambiguation on this... by altering the introduced and offending phrase I'd added to accommodate your technical distinction as I perceive it all... but by all means pee in it as needed if I'm off a bit with my guesswork) (I began that with a dablink para, but the topic needs handled in the article body--up high somewhere.) In short, wikipedia is not currently covering the distinction between the terms as you know them. ''I, on the other hand, am acting to clarify to all and sundry.

 * 4) Consequently, I reverted your reverts of my three edits on 'twelve Olympians' as wholly lazy and in appropriate. A close examination therein will reveal the sole text change made was to work in Olympians (as just discussed above) because of the linkages issues (and ignorance... I really don't care if there were 12 or 200... but references to Olympians... should definitely connect and mention the twelve which are usually those connoted! The 1500 minor nature sprites aren't of general interest outside kids cartoons and Charmed scripts! ).

 * The other changes I made were whitespace and formatting with the two bulleted lists, plus the fact tag... but since I was revamping format and material I specifically made stepwise iterative changes vice one biggie... which would have been what I did were it one of my normal topic areas. (My saves are generally substantial changes. 20 small changes by one editor is not something I like to see.)

 * 5) Mutual respect would require better handling of my time involvement, and a closer inspection of the changes. Thanks, however, for the notice on my talk. Suggest with successive changes like that you evaluate them one by one, as they appear in the current text... note the use of a few typing aid templates and spacing out of cites made the diffs look far worse than the actual changes that occurred.
 * The fact tag should have been cleared in a section edit locally.
 * The best (and most courteous to all ) way would be to comment it out, with a dated terse reason why it's inappropriate or handled.
 * That sets the record in place for other people to see the diffs... and obviates the need for a separate talk handling the issue most of the time.
 * In short, is a highly courteous practice when you realize literally dozens of people might be looking at diffs from their watchlists...

 * 6) In the same vein as a better practice... Cites are a pain to work around with future diffs since far more seems to change if they aren't broken into linefeed terminated separate lines... The easiest prophylactic on that is to terminate all of them using '>' so it's on a different line. Repetitions of named cites, can do the same with '/>', though that seems unnecessary most of the time—unless two or three cites are used at the same point. As a general technical matter, wikimarkup's HTML is quite tolerant of whitespace padding before the closing of any HTML tag command.
 * By the same token, breaking up the contents in cites templates onto some block of separate lines aids editing in the future (Text and refs aren't blending together) and shorten lines so actual changes can be seen more clearly.
 * Lastly, '}}' in such can be spaced down with several linefeeds... creating separation. Adding extra pipes in a template is also harmless.

You'll want to recheck "the Olympians"... but the text, not a diff... This is a good case for needing a character block diff capability... being able to see whitespace changes as only an added linefeed, or so show the inserted words not processed in a line by line confused block where the whole shows red vice an inserted word AND the linefeed(s), etc., would have shown there weren't big changes there. Best regards // Fra nkB 17:45, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

 * I reverted your edits again. I'm not entirely sure what you were attempting to do with them.  And I didn't follow your thousand word rant on the talk page either.  What I do know is this:  Your edit seemed to imply that the Olympians in general and the Twelve Olympians in particular were the same thing.  I reverted your edit and explained to you that they were different.  Then you made another edit that again seemed to wrongly imply that the Olympians in general and the Twelve Olympians in particular were the same thing.  I'm not sure why you keep implying that, even after I've explained to you that it's not true.  You might be right that the articles should be more explicit in its distinction between the Olympians in general and the Twelve Olympians in particular.  But that's no reason to seem to imply that they're the same thing. - Shaheenjim (talk) 00:54, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

 * The problem is that you are making a distinction as if a scholar... not writing the article focused to and for the lay people — your writings need to explain EXACTLY THAT DIFFERENCE as I tried to do... to your dissatisfaction. Fine, I leave it in your hands, but the article or our overall coverage is missing the overall context. Olympians has to handle the rest of the pack — whatever scholarship calls them. Since your article is the closest detailed article with that title, and is further on point... IMHO, you're only doing a partial job. It's not satisfactory at all.

 * I've been "IN TO" to reading about mythology my whole life, and am pushing retirement age and until running across you, have never heard of the distinction you are making. Not many people have one, much less multiple mythological reference works, and my bookshelves have at least six. In short, you are living in a very different world than the one this encyclopedia is supposed to serve if you can write about any topic in the area I haven't ever heard of even once.

 * If you want to cover the Olympians and draw a distinction to the 12, by all means do so, but for pete's sake COVER THE DIFFERENCE. Recast the disambig article, and start with that title if necessary, but at least explain SOMEWHERE who the twelve are versus those who aren't. Sorry I can't be any clearer. Try thinking like a twelve year old reader finding the topic for the first time and see if you educate the lad. That's the connection you seem to not be trying to make, given the inadequate link from 'Olympians'. Best regards // Fra nkB 01:11, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

 * The disambiguation article at Olympians was kind of unclear. I changed it to refer people to the main page for all the Olympians, at Greek Gods, rather than the specific article about the Twelve Olympians.  I think that should take care of your complaint.  If you think it's still unclear we can revise it further, just so long as you don't reinsert the incorrect implication that the Olympians in general and the Twelve Olympians in particular were the same thing.

 * In its first sentence, the article on the Twelve Olympians links to the article for all the Greek Gods, and it explains that the Twelve Olympians were only the principal Gods, so I think it already covers the distinction.

 * Note that I wasn't the one who made the distinction between the Olympians in general and the Twelve Olympians in particular. That article has been around since 2004, and it's been edited hundreds of times, by a lot of people.  I didn't discover it until November 2008. - Shaheenjim (talk) 01:26, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Engraving
I'm afraid I reverted your changes to this as they were almost entirely inaccurate, as you would have found out (in several respects) by reading the rest of the article. Engraving on metal predates woodcut by several thousand years, & until steel-facing was introduced in the C19, engraved printing plates were only usable for some hundreds of impressions in most cases, whereas woodcut blocks could print into the thousands (as they only need low-pressure presses). And so on. Please try to restrict major edits to subjects you know something about. Thanks. Johnbod (talk) 21:44, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

''It originated from the technology and practices needed to make the woodcuts for printmaking, but was extended to be purely artistic in decorative designs in metal. In printmaking the process came full circle and was developed in Germany in the 1430s from the engraving used by goldsmiths to decorate metalwork to make printing plates for illustrations—for woodcuts were good for at best a few hundred pressed pages, while metal engraved printing plates were essentially indestructible by comparison.''
 * removed text

 * Thanks for the heads up... That's OK, I removed my inferred sentences (above) when reinstating the important part of my change; though I doubt the case is as "solidly wrong" as you suggest, inasmuch as dark ages monks did woodcuts, but I digress, as does the further point that a technology lost is.... lost and the fact it's being reinvented two thousand years later thereafter becomes TRIVIA--albeit tech history) and so restored the original 'important change' that caused me to edit your writing shortcoming and correct the article viewpoint to cover the other meanings.

 * The word has three meanings, albeit interrelated, and IMHO the page is still unbalanced —just better now, no matter how much or little I may or may not know about it. Your close knowledge is perhaps blinding you to the other meanings... such as the engravings category on the commons I was wrestling with organizing.
 * Try writing English, and prick the balloonish sense of self-importance... it's unbecoming. I do think you all need to mention some relationship to woodcuts up high. // Fra nkB 22:12, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * There has been a continuous and important history of engraving on metal, stone etc for thousands of years. Late medieval, not "dark ages (not a respectable term for some decades, monks did indeed (among others) make woodcuts, but woodcut blocks are not engraved - that is wood engraving from the late 18th century on.  Woodblocks are cut with chisels not burins for a relief printing not an intaglio printing process - totally different.  All this is already in the relevant articles. Johnbod (talk) 23:18, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

 * No doubt... I'm just concerned with broadening the article to cover the alternative uses of the term as the vernacular language exists, as opposed to the special tech focus of the article lead as was yesterday. My real focus was here (well REALLY more in figuring out how stuff in there needed fixed up...) and related arts categories and category schema.
 * Since we've crossed paths since today from the unsaved edit I started here answering you 'oh-so-much-earlier' this morning (which was lost, alas--fell off the end of the buffer), and the changes suggested composing that (changes here: ) haven't been reverted by you (so far), I don't see we have any big disagreement.
 * It's all a matter of making sure all the uses of the page get some coverage. Thanks for the mergeto/mergefrom vote of support @ worksofar,etc., if not for the two edit conflicts!  Cheers! // Fra nkB 17:39, 5 March 2009 (UTC)(It might amuse you to find out as it did me that in getting back to answering you today indirectly required an edit on the Indonesian wikipedia... so loosing the edit buffer with the earlier incomplete answer is a "Shit Happens" condition as usual in wikiland. Biz as usual! Wish I knew how to increase the edit que history in firefox... any ideas?)

Refimprove
Hi! I saw this edit, which you made on January 27 of this year:

"It's a stub, dummy!" is not an acceptable reason to comment out a tag. Every article, including stubs, needs references. Generally each paragraph needs a ref. WhisperToMe (talk) 17:23, 8 March 2009 (UTC) In whose opinion... somebody change the rules on endless editing, AGF, or IAR when I wasn't looking??? Last I looked any editor acting in good faith can make a reversing editorial decision on any given day... Use of that template on a stub is downright foolish.

 * 1) I don't play the liberal PC game, so be sensible, not fashionable... It was a dumb unnecessary tagging. Point, Set, Match. Actually, that tag and it's friends really doesn't have a lot of utility these days... three years back when cites first became possible, maybe... just barely... but the fact tag works much better, as it requires the LAZY IDIOT faking making a contribution (I see no reason to assist such people in their self-delusions) to actually think about where to put it, and if they're a good editor, they will specifically embed a comment in the template saying what needs supported or what they find questionable, etc.
 * AGF SEEMS to be totally unknown to the current crop of replacement editors (At this point, I'm weary of finding out which other long term editor has left the project, so it's almost always some young school kid replacement sans seasoning with an over large ego.)

 * 2) How foolish are you? You some kind of kid wedded blindly to rules and without enough experience to make judgments as to when they apply? Or were you commenting on my blatant obvious come down (in which case, see "1")

 * 3) If you're that raw and naive and resent it for being or resembling you, go screw up some other wiki, we have enough fuckups here. Stubs don't generally even get categorized, save by the stub type... they are TO DO lists. Placeholders. Beginnings. Asking for cites when someone is outlining a topic is ridiculous at best... not really even that excusable.

 * 4) Then consider... IN YOUR FACE TAGS OF ANY KIND are and always have been controversial here. SO STOP BLINDLY HANGING PAPER AND fooling yourself that it's a contribution of the least kind. Hanging one's a detriment, a step backwards that makes us look like fools to the outside world of users... You know, our readers for whom the project exists?

 * 5) If something needs references stand up on two legs and be an editor... it's educational to run down new information, and you can cure that little gripe you have on cites... and impress some with the fact you actually added some, instead of whined like a four year old screaming for ice cream. I do on average 10 or more of those a week just checking links... try to copy that and you'll have less reasons to feel proud of yourself for hanging trash. // Fra nkB 18:30, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Frank: WhisperToMe (talk) 19:01, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 1. I've been here since 2003.
 * 2. No personal attacks - If "liberal PC game" means commenting on the contribution instead of the contributor and treating other contributors with courtesy, then you have to play the "liberal PC game" to continue editing Wikipedia ;)
 * 3. WP:V is now the cornerstone of Wikipedia policy. You have to have references with articles. There's no way around this.
 * 4. Hanging these tags is the right thing to do

 * Excuse me, I was characterizing the edit... it is and was dumb. "Right Thing" is a real stretch. Harmless, perhaps... save for the big in YOUR FACE issue... See, I object to those like some object to calling dumb things dumb, etc.

 * My edit was clear in that message and leaving it behind as an embedded comment for the education of and to discourage such tag hanging by others. Removing the template is entirely within WP:V simply becase 'V' is such a major part of our policies, and a very simple chain of logic says it's hardly needed in a new page--especially one already tagged by another IN YOUR FACE tag. In short stating the obvious in something just stubbed together is OVERKILL and STUPID.

 * Last I looked, the US Constitution entitled me to hold opinions, and if you're interpretation of Wikiqette is that I can't ever state one... fuck off and ban me forever. Trust me, it'll be a favor. If not, I'll speak frankly when and where I see fit. I don't believe in handling all idiocies with kid gloves... Some plain speaking must be kept to educate others.

 * The inline comment is a very low key way of spreading the message... "THIS IS DUMB" which you seem to fail to grasp. I'll be careful to avoid the Dumbshit word hereafter, since I do see that plain hyperbole might be taken as a direct PA... but frankly, disagree with that as a need... but if it will help avoid unwanted advice, I'll keep it in mind.

 * I didn't seek out and confront a contributor and increase the hostility of the working environment here with the editor I disagreed with, I didn't preach to them, nor assume My interpretation of any and all guidelines was the only one which applies... In fact I can argue I know such interpretations better than most, for most are too narrow in using their own god given cognition to even consider how things might also be interpreted — blind, in a word. Sanctimonious, self-righteous and liberal in character.

 * THAT WOULD BE YOU, pushing the issue, n'est pas? No fucking surprise so many good editors burn out and fade away. This place wears. Your message here is biased and A Personal Attack by my lights for questioning me over something so trivial... as you aren't doing anything but wasting both our times over something which can be argued either way.

 * Wish I had your free time... must be nice. // Fra nkB 13:31, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 1. That article wasn't stub. A stub refers to article length. You can have a well-referenced, very short article. Every article, regardless of how new it is or how short it is, needs refs.
 * Hmmmmmm You can't read too good... note the page bottom in this non-diff mode. Personally, I figure that WP:AGF means I let the editor's writing the page decide when it's not. Until then, In Your Face Tags are not welcome. //Fra nkB 04:00, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

 * 2. The US Constitution is an agreement between the US Government and her people. Wikipedia is a private website and it can regulate behavior and speech of its users as the said users use the website. You can be frank by commenting on people's behavior and contributions.
 * 3. The bit about removing the tag to follow WP:V does not compute. Tags are encouraged because they draw attention to an issue. You remove the tag when you address the problem. Regardless of article length all articles need to be reffed.
 * 4. It is perfectly acceptable to ask an editor to revise his or her editing patterns to comply with policies. It's not a good idea to hide tags without addressing what they ask for. A Personal attack would generally be a comment about a contributor, not his or her contributions. I am talking about actions and suggesting different actions.
 * 5. "THIS IS DUMB" isn't a reason that computes. Something like "Article X already has references" or "plot sections do not need references" (the unstated ref is the work itself) DOES compute. Be specific and say what you mean. WhisperToMe (talk) 02:55, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Fabartus, I looked at this diff. - First "You can't read too good" is a personal attack... and it's a false one. The message "Cite error: tags exist, but no  listing of them. But  says there are not enough references for the material. The system message doesn't negate the refimprove. WhisperToMe (talk) 03:37, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

On your last

 * Are you trolling???

Seems like it...

IN my humble opinion you are a sanctimonious asshole. What part of anything I've said to you made you think your picayune trivialities were anything I wanted to hear about from you. YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY WITH ME. YOU CONTINUE TO PUSH OVER A TRIVIALITY... GET A FUCKING LIFE! What are you... some kind of kid that has no real world experience? OR an academic used to pushing students around? You and I have differing ways of looking at things. LET THAT SAY IT ALL. Your perceptions are not my reality, nor are they even yours.

ON The last edit: (from the diff)
 * ":::: I looked at this diff.  - First "You can't read too good" is a personal attack... and it's a false one. The message "Cite error: tags exist, but no  listing of them. But  says there are not enough'' references for the material. The system message doesn't negate the refimprove. WhisperToMe (talk) 03:37, 12 March 2009 (UTC)"

My comment had nothing to do with the reference list... Look at the edit page I linked with the full url... that state of the article. (See tom Run. See Sally laugh!) LOOK AT THE FUCKING STUB TAG DUM DUM... YOU CLAIMED IT WAS NOT A STUB ARTICLE... I say that's enough for WP:V. NOW kindly drop dead and stay away from my talk. // Fra nkB 04:10, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

re: First "You can't read too good" is a personal attack... NO IT'S A BLATANT OBSERVATION. That stub tag is in the record and will be forever more. How's an observation of fact an attack? YOU'RE FUCKING GUILTY AS HELL OF PUSHING POV when you don't even understand distinctions, forsooth. // Fra nkB 04:10, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

re: ("and graduated in May 2007".) I shoulda known... only a fucking kid could be this asinine. Kindly get a life and back your self-righteousness down about five-to-seven decibels... you're far too raw and unfinished still yourself to be pro-offering unsolicited advice to someone any older than ... say, late junior high. As someone who could have been your father in nearly three different decades, you're a joke. Most people aren't fully human until they reach their mid-thirties... you've still a long large climb ahead, so humble yourself. Your lack of skill dealing with people is telling. (Hint. Experienced people with their shit together would have never started this discussion. THEY CERTAINLY wouldn't have tried to continue it when rebuffed. etc., increase magnitude with each exchange exponentially!) As a self-styled computer wiz, try to remember what an exponent is. // Fra nkB 04:10, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, in that case, that stub tag wasn't supposed to be there. Stub describes a stub as "A stub is an article containing only a few sentences of text which is too short to provide encyclopedic coverage of a subject, but not so short as to provide no useful information." - There were clearly more than "a few sentences." WhisperToMe (talk) 04:28, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

 * Just sent by email in reply:

You have a real problem. See a shrink ASAP

Further if you edited instead of worried about guidelines and procedures and tags and rules and all the window dressings which really don't get anything done... (really says you're unseasoned and studentish... )

you'd know stub articles go very frequently to 2-3 screenfuls of text. 1-1-1/2 pages printed out at times. Now that depends on topic, but that's the way it is. You're trying to live in and impose an ideal which doesn't and hasn't and can't exist for there aren't enough of us to make it happen as soon as you'd like. For starters, piss ant concerns like those you've raised just drives people off.

Be well, but leave me alone.

Frank Sigh // Fra nkB 04:42, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

We clearly live in two different wiki's
Tags have been encouraged by some, but have ALWAYS been controversial to others. I'm one of those. Just because some people outlast the others in various fora here doesn't mean the controversy has gone away. The way we decide guidelines sucks and always has as well. Need a quorum at the least, not the process where those who win their way do so by having worn down those too busy to keep up with the discussion that goes on forever. So let's cut to the chase. You don't like it, or my decisions, too bad. I don't care for jumped up know-it-alls telling me anything. I've told Jimbo off, I've told judges I held them and their court in contempt, I've ridiculed cops when they were acting out and unprofessionally, and I've dragged bigots out of their front door by the throat when they called my tenants a nigger so I'll be damned if I'll let you or anyone else dictate what I can and cannot say or how.

Further, NOBODY RESPECTS LAWYERS (In their right mind), so don't get legalistic on me. I'd sooner live next to a thirty-times serial killing axe murderer. I care about wasted time. MINE. Not interested in making friends here... they've all left. Making more just brings more likely pain. Kapish? I'm civil enough most of the time. When I'm not it's an adult decision made under a different value system than the liberal garbage you're advocating. Private rights trump the constitution... not in my world view. That kind of thought'll draw a death sentence in much of the real America, so you be sure to stay out of those places. Not interested in your theories of constitution vs. websites, I'll speak frankly when I JUDGE it necessary. When and if someone is acting silly, costing others on the project time, some small percentage of the time, I'll do something like the edit you're bitching about to make their foolishness known. I didn't seek out and confront anyone... again that would be you. Why don't you take a wikibreak and consider how hostile an action that is. Almost as bad as a revert... but do others share both your values and your perceptions? Chances are not so. THAT's the bottom line. You don't like it... tough. Feel free to block me whenever... it'd likely be a favor as I neglect my business to do anything here. And do far too much of it. Got it? // Fra nkB 03:40, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Another budinski
Please do not attack other editors. If you continue, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia.  Flying  Toaster  18:55, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * March 2009

 * Feel free (I spend far too much time here as it is)... or stay out of discussions you weren't invited into. The PA is coming the other way, by my lights... totally disrespectful of others time... which is 'far more hostile' than strong words can ever be!.

 * Bout time you sanctimonious self-righteous thought police connect the dots to the troubles holding good editors. Retention is a real problem... what is it now, 4? 5? 7? times as many inactive admins as active ones?

 * Whisper can ascertain his/her own opinion and stand up for herself... and why pray tell should I respect your opinion when you can't even follow the back link and comment in the proper section??? Doesn't give you any credibility with me. Whisper did OK in her answer: [User_talk:Fabartus#Refimprove here], so mind your own business. // Fra nkB 13:45, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Fabartus, on Wikipedia people do mind their own business, and they mind other peoples' business as well. I think a better response would be "I get the point, thank you very much" WhisperToMe (talk) 02:50, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

 * But that would be off point... I resent the interference, and so should you given the timing. 2X zero is still zero, and something trivial is definitely zero. All this chit-chat is time wasted because it's rooted in the trivial complaint you engendered, which I can't respect. Let's stop that waste and agree to disagree. Pax, do remember endless edits going forward. It's part of the five pillars, iirc. // Fra nkB 03:53, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Nominations @MILHIST
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Articles for deletion/Who's your daddy? (phrase)
I don't understand how would apply in this case. The article has been edited by numerous people over several years. Is there more to it than meets the eye? Cheers. Fribbler (talk) 19:30, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

 * Perhaps I goofed? Hist page I saw had but two entries... so may have been the AFD debate page??? Not gonna worry bout it; thanks though. // Fra nkB 19:41, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

 * Ah, I see. I thought (nay, hoped) for a second that you had uncovered a very very large sockfarm. I must be starved of intrigue. :-) Thanks! Fribbler (talk) 19:45, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Bad feelings unneedful
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March 2009
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OH, IC, He trolls me and you abuse the project for being firm with the maniac. He needs a shrink, and I said so. That's truly effective liberal thinking... just like the multi-trillion dollar pillage and rapine congress just began... // Fra nkB 12:41, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

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Sam Massell

Samuel A. Massell Jr. (August 26, 1927 – March 13, 2022) was an American businessman and politician who served from 1970 to 1974 as the 53rd mayor of Atlanta, Georgia. He was the first Jewish mayor in the city's history and the most recent non-black mayor of Atlanta.

Early life and education
Samuel A. Massell Jr. was born to Samuel A. Massell (1892–1961) and the former Florence Rubin (1901–1977) in 1927. He was known as "Buddy" during his childhood and high school years. He graduated from Druid Hills High School at age 16 and enrolled at the University of Georgia in Athens, where he was a member of the Phi Kappa Literary Society. He was also president of Phi Epsilon Pi ( which later merged with Zeta Beta Tau) fraternity.

Massell later transferred to Emory University before being drafted into the United States Army Air Force in 1946. Later, he returned to the University of Georgia and took night classes and earned his bachelor's degree in commercial science from Atlanta Division of the University of Georgia in 1951. He received an LL.B. degree in 1949 from Atlanta Law School. He was married to the former Doris Middlebrooks from 1952 until her death in 2015.

Business career
A lifelong Atlanta resident, Massell has had successful careers in real estate brokerage, elected office, tourism, and association management.

For twenty years, Massell was a realtor, having become vice president of the Allan-Grayson Realty Company, then one of the largest commercial brokerage firms in Atlanta. During that time, he was elected a charter member of the "Million Dollar Club" of the Atlanta Real Estate Board. He was further honored on three occasions by the Georgia Association of Real Estate Boards for the "Outstanding Transaction of the Year".

Political career
While in real estate, Massell also became active in a wide range of civic work, which eventually led to the political arena. He served twenty-two years in elected office, first as a city councilman in the town of Mountain Park, where he owned a lakehouse. He then went to serving on the Atlanta City Executive Committee and then ran to serve eight years as President of Atlanta's Board of Aldermen (now the Atlanta City Council). He ran for Mayor of Atlanta in 1969 and won the race in a runoff. Mayor Massell was also the president of the 15,000-member National League of Cities. In addition, he served a four-year term on the board of the Metropolitan Atlanta Rapid Transit Authority. He was a board member of the Atlanta Committee for the Olympic Games.

Among other achievements, his mayoral administration is credited with having established the Metropolitan Atlanta Rapid Transit Authority, the Omni Coliseum (the first enclosed arena in Atlanta), and Woodruff Park in Central City, all without higher ad valorem taxes. He also pioneered minority opportunities in city government, appointing Panke Bradley as the first woman to the Atlanta City Council and the first African Americans as municipal department heads. Conversely, Massell is also known to have used blatant anti-black rhetoric in his re-election bid for mayor against the city's first black mayoral candidate Maynard Jackson. As a result, many progressive and college-educated whites in the city (including Atlanta's largest daily newspaper) publicly endorsed Jackson which led to Massell losing his re-election bid in 1973 to Maynard Jackson.

Later life
After leaving full-time public service, Massell entered the tourism business in Buckhead in the Atlanta metro area. For 13 years, Massell operated in Buckhead under the name "Your Travel Agent Sam Massell". He was a Certified Travel Counselor and a former president of the Travel Industry Association of Georgia.

Massell later managed a nonprofit civic organization as founding president of the Buckhead Coalition, an association of business executives on the north side of Atlanta. In addition, he is in the Atlanta Convention and Visitors Bureau "Hospitality Hall of Fame"; King Center for Nonviolent Social Change "Walk of Fame"; Georgia State University Robinson College "Business Hall of Fame"; Georgia Trend Magazine "Most Influential Georgians Hall of Fame"; and Georgia Municipal Association "Government Hall of Fame".

In 1971, he received an honorary degree in Doctor of Laws from Oglethorpe University.

In 2016, the 89-year-old Massell wed his long-time friend Sandra Gordy in a private ceremony at their home in Buckhead.

Charles McNair wrote a 304-page biography of Massell entitled Play It Again, Sam: The Notable Life of Sam Massell, Atlanta’s First Minority Mayor, which was published by Mercer University Press on September 1, 2017.

In early 2020, Massell announced his plans to retire. He died on March 13, 2022, at the age of 94.

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Turtle Island (disambiguation)

Turtle Island may refer to:

Americas

 * Turtle Island (Lake Erie), near Toledo, Ohio, US
 * Turtle Island (Indigenous North American folklore), a name used by several Native American cultures to refer to North America or the Earth in general
 * Turtle Island, Bermuda
 * Tortuga (Haiti), an island in Haiti
 * La Tortue, Saint Barthélemy, or Turtle Island, in the French Caribbean

Asia and Oceania

 * Turtle Islands, Tawi-Tawi, a group of islands in the Southern Philippines
 * Turtle Island (Newcastle Bay), in the Torres Strait Islands archipelago, Australia
 * Turtle Island Resort, on Nanuya Levu in Fiji
 * Vatoa, in the Lau Group in Fiji
 * Kusu Island, an island in Singapore
 * Turtle Island (Matsu), an island in Beigan, Matsu, Lienchiang County, Fujian Province, Taiwan
 * Guishan Island (Yilan), an island off the northeast coast of Taiwan
 * Ko Tao, an island in Thailand
 * Turtle Islands National Park, a collective name for three islands in Sabah, Malaysia

Music

 * Turtle Island (album), the 1989 debut solo album by Paul Hyde of the Payola$
 * "Turtle Island", a track from Mike Oldfield's Tres Lunas album
 * "Turtle Island", a track from Beach House's 2008 Devotion album
 * Turtle Island Quartet, modern-day jazz string quartet

Print

 * Turtle Island (book), a 1974 book of poetry by Gary Snyder, winner of the Pulitzer Prize for Poetry
 * Turtle Island: Tales of the Algonquian Nations, a 1999 children's book by Jane Louise Curry
 * Turtle Island News, Canadian Native People's newspaper

Other uses

 * Turtle Island (horse), (born 1991), British-trained thoroughbred racehorse
 * Turtle Island Foods, makers of the Tofurky brand of soy products
 * Turtle Island Recycling, a recycling and waste company that was merged into GFL Environmental

title: Turtle Island (disambiguation)


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Nantahala River

The Nantahala River is a river in western North Carolina in the United States, within the Nantahala National Forest, and near the Great Smoky Mountains National Park. Two-lane U.S. Highway 19/74 runs along the river, picnic areas dotting the route. In 1839, this was an unimproved large path, part of what became known as the Trail of Tears as the Cherokee people were forcibly removed from their homelands in this region to west of the Mississippi River and Indian Territory.

The river rises near the border of Georgia and North Carolina, close to the Southern Nantahala Wilderness and the Appalachian Trail. It flows into the Little Tennessee River at Fontana Lake, a reservoir formed behind Fontana Dam.

The word Nantahala is Cherokee and means "Land of the Noonday Sun". The river runs through a narrow and steep gorge where in some areas the sun reaches the ground only when it is directly overhead during the middle of the day. During the colonial era, Cherokee towns along the Nantahala, upper Hiwassee River, and Valley River in what is now North Carolina were known as the Valley Towns.

Paddling
This river is popular with whitewater rafters, canoeists, and kayakers. Commercial rafting began in 1972 when the Nantahala Outdoor Center opened, leading to thousands of paddlers annually running the river. Today there are ten different outfitters operating on the Nantahala river. Each outfitter has a permit issued by the Forest Service which allows them to commercially raft the river. The Nantahala is one of the most popular rivers in the southeastern United States for paddlers of all skill levels.

Fishing
The Nantahala is also a popular destination for fly fishing. Trout Unlimited has named the river one of the 100 Best Trout Streams in America, and it is widely regarded as one of the premier destinations for trout fishing in the Eastern United States. The river is frequently used for competitions, clinics, and practices held by the US Men's and US Youth National Fly Fishing teams. Most recently, the Nantahala played host to the 2015 US Youth National Fly Fishing Championship and the 2015 Men's Southeast Regional, with sessions held on the Upper and Lower sections, as well as the Raven's Fork on the nearby Cherokee Indian Reservation.

Lower Run
The part that can be rafted is 8 mi long and has Class II and III rapids. It extends from the Nantahala Powerhouse to the town of Wesser. Twelve commercial outfitters are permitted by the USDA Forest Service to run guided trips. Two launch sites provide access. The main access is just downstream of the Nantahala powerhouse and upstream of "Patton's Run". The other is at the Ferebee Memorial Picnic Area near where US 74 crosses the river. There are two take-out points, one above and one below "Upper Nantahala Falls." Notable rapids include "Patton's Run," "Quarry," "Whirlpool," "Surfers," "Bulls Run," and "Upper Nantahala Falls." Just beyond the main take-out point in Wesser lies Lower Nantahala Falls, or Wesser Falls, which drops off at about a 45-degree angle with many sharp rocks. Immediately after this point the Nantahala flows into Fontana Lake.

The flow rate of this section of the Nantahala is dependent on releases from Nantahala Lake, which is controlled by Duke Energy. The Nantahala dam is a diversion dam; the water that normally flows through the river is diverted through a 5.5 mi penstock before flowing through the Nantahala Powerhouse and back into the original river channel far downstream. The river is "on" when Duke Energy is generating electricity and releasing water. From late spring to early fall Duke Energy follows a regular release schedule to help support commercial rafting.

The opening of the main penstock is near the bottom of the Nantahala dam, and is underground for most of its length. Because of this the discharged water is always at or near the average groundwater temperature, which in this region is in the mid 50s (F).

This section of river is popular as a fly fishing destination. Although it is regularly stocked under North Carolina's Hatchery Supported regulations, it is home to one of North Carolina's healthiest populations of wild, stream-born Rainbow Trout. The river also has a self sustaining population of Brown Trout, many of which grow large. The current North Carolina state record Brown Trout, weighing 24 lbs, was caught from the Lower Nantahala in 1998, and specimens of 10 lbs or greater are fairly common.

Upper Run
The upper section of the river extends from the Nantahala Dam to the Nantahala Powerhouse. The uppermost section just below Whiteoak Falls is known as the Nantahala Cascades and is an extremely steep and challenging whitewater route. Upon reaching the bridge, the river becomes the Upper Nantahala and flattens out to become a solid Class III-IV run. The regular Nantahala River flow is diverted through a penstock so the only water normally flowing through this section comes from tributaries like Dick's Creek. However, during periods of very wet weather, or the rare long-term outage at the powerhouse, the river flows full. This section of the channel is narrow and features several Class III+ to V rapids including "The Horns of God", "Big Kahuna", and "Chinese Feet."

In the Winter months, the Upper Nantahala is maintained as a delayed-harvest trout fishery from the mouth of Whiteoak Creek downstream to the Nantahala Powerhouse. The state of North Carolina stocks approximately 10,000 Brown, Rainbow, and Brook Trout annually in the upper river on top of an already existing population of stream-born Rainbow and Brown Trout.

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CFCM-DT

CFCM-DT, virtual channel 4.1 (UHF digital channel 17), is a TVA owned-and-operated television station licensed to Quebec City, Quebec, Canada. The station is owned by the Groupe TVA subsidiary of Quebecor Media. CFCM-DT's studios are located on de l'Exposition Street near the Videotron Centre in the Quebec City borough of La Cité-Limoilou, and its transmitter is located at its former studios on Myrand Street in the former suburb of Sainte-Foy. On cable, the station is available on Vidéotron channel 4 and in high definition on digital channel 604.

Until 2011, the station's transmitter facilities previously also hosted the transmitter for CBVE-TV (channel 5), the now-defunct local rebroadcaster of Montreal's CBMT-DT, when that station relocated to CBVT-DT's former analogue channel (VHF channel 11), which broadcasts from Mount Bélair.

History
CFCM was Quebec's first private television station, going on the air for the first time on July 17, 1954. The transmitter building and studios was located on St. Jean Boscoe Street, near Cite Universitaire. The tower contract had been let to Cobra Industries Inc. and the total estimated cost of TV station and building was CA$500,000. A 440-foot-tall lattice tower was built for the stations transmitter which gave the station a 50 mile coverage radius. CFCM started out as a private bilingual CBC/Radio-Canada affiliate. The station's original owner was Télévision de Québec, a consortium of theatre chain Famous Players and Quebec City's two private AM radio stations, CHRC and CKCV.

At its launch, CFCM immediately linked up with both the CBC and Radio-Canada microwave networks. The station started broadcasting an all-French service on March 17, 1957, when Télévision de Québec launched CKMI-TV. When Radio-Canada opened CBVT on September 7, 1964, CFCM joined the loose association of independent stations formed by Montreal's CFTM-TV and Chicoutimi's CJPM-TV a year earlier. This was the forerunner of TVA, which was formally organized on September 12, 1971.

Télévision de Québec was nearly forced to sell its stations in 1969 because of the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission's new rules requiring television stations to be 80 percent Canadian-owned. The largest shareholder, Famous Players, was a subsidiary of American film studio Paramount Pictures (Paramount and parent company Viacom, later ViacomCBS and now its namesake Paramount Global, eventually sold Famous Players to rival Cineplex Entertainment in 2005). Eventually, Famous Players reduced its shares to 20% by 1971, allowing Télévision de Québec to keep CKMI and CFCM. The company renamed itself Télé-Capitale in 1974.

For most of the time from the 1970s through the 2000s, it was known on-air as "Télé-4" (TV-4 or channel 4).

CFCM, along with five other stations, CKMI-TV, CHLT-TV, CHEM-TV and CFER-TV, were all purchased by Pathonic Communications in 1979. CFCM became the flagship station of Pathonic's new TVA-affiliated system.

Pathonic merged with Télé-Metropole, owner of CFTM, in 1990. Since then, CFCM has been a semi-satellite of CFTM, except for newscasts. Despite this, it has remained Quebec City's dominant station, a status it has held for the better part of its history.

As of October 2022, CFCM airs a local 10-minute bulletin within the network's noon newscast, as well as two 30-minute newscasts at 5:30 and 6:00 p.m.

Digital television
In August 2011, CFCM-DT signed on the air.

With the use of PSIP, digital television receivers will list CFCM-DT's virtual channel as 4.1.

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Talk:Capital One

Split proposed
The 2019 security breach has so much information, including an ongoing trial, that it should be its own article. I propose 2019 Capital One security breach. Due to a conflict of interest, I will not be able to make this split myself, but I encourage editors without a COI to do so. White 720 (talk) 16:47, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

 * As a consumer with no COI, I think this should stay right here. 74.102.1.100 (talk) 21:20, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

COI edit request
ONECapitalOne (talk) 03:52, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Specific text to be added or removed: REMOVING: Capital One publicly acknowledged on July 29, 2019, that they had found unauthorized access had occurred ten days earlier by an individual who had breached the account and identity security of 106 million people in the United States and Canada.[96] REPLACE WITH:  On July 17, 2019, a GitHub user saw a post about a possible theft of information from Capital One [*]. That user notified Capital One, and the company then investigated [*]. On July 19, after determining that there had been an intrusion, Capital One notified the FBI [*].
 * Reason for the change: Taken out of context
 * References supporting change: https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdwa/united-states-v-paige-thompson

The source provided is a Primary Source. This is not sufficient for supporting the edits requested. Please find a non-primary source to support the requested content change. cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 04:40, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

 * The case summary is indeed extracted from the case documents. However, a press release about the case would be a secondary source, and anyway is a source perfectly acceptable on Wikipedia. Note that we use secondary sources primarily in order to avoid bias often inherent in primary sources. Here, in the DoJ press release, the risk of bias is negligible. — kashmīrī  TALK  04:58, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * That said, I somehow fail to see why the current wording would be problematic. It summarises the developments well without going into irrelevant details, doesn't it? — kashmīrī  TALK  05:02, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * A press release from an organization that is reporting about it's own work is also a primary source. But your final comment pretty much hits the nail on the head - they aren't important details. cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 05:31, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your feedback. With these edits we were attempting to clarify the situation in the article. I figured a case summary from the US Attorney's office would suffice as a secondary source, or that it would at least be sufficient in the sense of reliability, but I understand your perspective. I found this article, as well. Would this meet the secondary sourcing guidelines? There are others as well, but I don't want to spam this Talk page with links. ONECapitalOne (talk) 20:05, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

 * Well, I've looked over the gizmodo article, re-read the DOJ press release, and the original sourcing via Capital One's 'FAQ' page archived at archive.org, and I still don't see what material difference these small details make. Your original request stated "Reason for the change: Taken out of context" - but the opening text is true and correct. What you're requesting be removed does not appear to be taken out of context. At best (worst?), your edits could be additions after the text you requested be replaced. But these details are so minor I still fail to see their value. The article could stand to be updated to acknowledge the final judgement in the case, but my interest in the matter isn't great enough to motivate me to put in that effort. Perhaps another editor will be inclined to do so. cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 03:14, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

COI edit request 2/26/24
ONECapitalOne (talk) 11:16, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Specific text to be added or removed: "In 2022, Thompson was convicted of five felonies and two misdemeanors. She was sentence to time served and five years of probation."
 * Reason for change: Provides important context with verifiable information
 * References supporting change: https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/prewrite-do-publish-capital-one-hacker-receives-tk-years-sentence-a-20189
 * I have reviewed these proposed changes and suggest that you go ahead and make the proposed changes to the page. Zippybonzo |  talk  |  contribs  (they/them) 08:23, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

COI edit request 3/12/24

 * Specific text to be added: under Capital One response, REMOVE: "Critics lambasted the bank's effort to downplay the hack while investigations were ongoing, and described the bank as more concerned about its image than the needs of its clients. Several Capital One customers stated that the first time they heard about the hack was through the media and the bank did not disclose the breach or explain its implications to affected customers." REPLACE with: Capital One was alerted to the incident on July 17, 2019. The FBI arrested and charged Paige Thompson within ten days of that alert, and on July 29, Capital One issued a press release about the hack. At that time there was also a banner on Capital One’s website that directed customers to a fact sheet and FAQ page, though several Capital One customers stated the first time they heard about the hack was through the media."
 * Reason for change: existing copy is inaccurate, and there is no citations to support critics "lambasting" Capital One. Replacing text explains clearly and concisely the chain of events, and what Capital One said publicly.
 * References supporting change: https://slate.com/technology/2019/07/capital-one-hack-no-customer-notification.html Thank you. ONECapitalOne (talk) 14:59, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I have removed the unsourced claim which says Critics lambasted the bank's effort to downplay the hack while investigations were ongoing, and described the bank as more concerned about its image than the needs of its clients, and have expanded the section with citations to reliable sources. House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 19:23, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

COI Edit Request 4/12/24
*Specific Text to be Added: under Federal Reserve Action, REPLACE with:

On August 6, 2020, the Federal Reserve Board of Governors announced a cease and desist order against Capital One resulting from the breach. The order mandated, among other things, several actions for Capital One to comply with for risk management.

In 2023, the Federal Reserve terminated that 2020 order, stating the matter to be resolved. A separate consent order from the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC) was terminated in 2022, with the OCC reporting that “the bank had reached a level of safety and soundness no longer requiring extra oversight.”

*Reason for change: Attributable citations support the matter was resolved and terminated to Federal Reserve and OCC standards.

*References supporting change:

https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/pressreleases/files/enf20200806a1.pdf

https://www.bankingdive.com/news/fed-terminates-capital-one-2020-enforcement-action-data-breach-aws-paige-thompson-occ-106-million/686725/

https://www.bankingdive.com/news/capital-one-occ-consent-order-2019-data-breach-106-million-customers-paige-thompson-aws/632143/

Thank you. ONECapitalOne (talk) 11:43, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

 * Your supplied source didn't support the stating the matter to be resolved bit. I wrote a more concise version. - DrOrinScrivello (talk) 18:22, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Also, as another editor told you on your talk page back in January, your username implies shared use, which is not allowed on Wikipedia. Please visit WP:RENAME for information on how to change it to something indicating there's only one person using the account (e.g. JohnDoeCapitalOne). DrOrinScrivello (talk) 18:31, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

COI Request 6/2/2024
*Specific Text to be Added: Capital One began offering free credit monitoring services and identity protection to those affected by the breach. It was ultimately determined there was no evidence the data was shared by Thompson.
 * Do you have a source for identity protection? That was not in the citations you provided. I'll look around too.

*Specific Text to be Added: In 2022, Thompson was convicted of five felonies and two misdemeanors. She was sentenced to time served and five years of probation. She was also subject to location monitoring for three years and her use of computers and the internet was subject to federal monitoring.
 * ✅ with some edits

*Specific Text to remove:

Forensic analysis determined Thompson's actual hacking activity occurred in March 2019, then she posted the information to different outlets over the next three months. In April she posted a trove of leaked data along with instructions on how to access the company's credentials for more data extraction. In July a white-hat alerted Capital One to Thompson's hacking activity. Thompson pleaded not guilty to charges of wire fraud and computer fraud and abuse. During the investigations and subsequent data freeze, millions of Capital One accounts were locked; their owners were unable to process financial transactions, meet payments, or gain access to their financial records.

and replace with:

In 2019, Thompson started scanning IP addresses hosted by AWS for misconfigured web application firewalls. She accessed approximately 30 AWS accounts, one of which belonged to Capital One. Other affected accounts belonged to the Transportation Security Administration, Vodafone, Michigan State University, and Digital.ai. Thompson used her illegal access to plant Ethereum cryptocurrency-mining software. She was also able to access internal cloud computing resources in some cases, and then ultimately acquired security credentials and could log into the AWS accounts.

Reason for changes: more specific about events and context; changes to 'Details of the breach' provide specific details and remove redundancies of Thompson's activity and sentencing.

References supporting changes:

https://ir-capitalone.gcs-web.com/static-files/ab51222c-48d5-411e-aa54-495e95e25024

https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/prewrite-do-publish-capital-one-hacker-receives-tk-years-sentence-a-20189

Thank you. ONECapitalOne (talk) 22:55, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

 * Hi @ONECapitalOne, taking a look at this. Couple notes:
 * 1. The SEC filing is good source but what exactly is it supporting? I don't want to read 281 pages ;)
 * 2. I think I can add the text above without issue
 * 3. There's definitely some useful additional context and content you've supplied, but I think we should fold that in rather than blank and rewrite, unless there is something inaccurate or unsourced about the way things are written right now.
 * -- FeldBum (talk) 16:23, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @FeldBum Thank you for your response, and for the edits you have already made. Responses below:
 * The filing is a supporting citation to the fact there was no evidence the data was shared by Thompson. Additionally, regarding the "identity protection" phrase, this was covered in publications after the breach was publicized: https://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/how-protect-yourself-after-capital-one-data-breach-n1036076 https://consumer.ftc.gov/consumer-alerts/2019/07/capital-one-data-breach-time-check-your-credit-report 2. Thank you for reviewing and implementing. 3. Folding in is a reasonable solution; we will defer to you and other editors on how that information should be organized and published.
 * Thank you for reviewing this request, and for your thoughtful feedback. ONECapitalOne (talk) 22:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * No problem @ONECapitalOne. Let me read those sources and see what I can add. -- FeldBum (talk) 02:23, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I added in Identity Protection. Working on the rest now. -- FeldBum (talk) 17:15, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Pinwheel (TV series)

Untitled
Does anyone have this on VHS or DVD? I would love to show this along with great shows as "Encyclopedia" or "Brain Games".

Pinwheel was actually run twenty-four hours every day until Nick (or, at the time, The Pinwheel Network) came to its senses. it also had almost zero reacurring shorts. --Wack'd About Wiki 13:49, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Are you sure? I thought that Nickelodeon/Pinwheel was a daytime only network until the advent of "Nick at Nite".  Before that, they went off air at night.  However, I do believe you are correct in that while they were the Pinwheel network, the programming was for a time 100% Pinwheel.  -- Kaszeta 15:28, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

As I remember it, Nickelodeon switched over to A&E in the evenings.24.25.172.158 (talk) 16:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Pinwheel on DVD
I'm going to be a bit pushy here and say that we have to find a way to get nickelodeon to release the Pinwheel material on DVD. There's a classic nickelodeon petition on petitiononline.com that I have added a link to from the article, and I encourage everyone who would like to see this wonderful (and, at times, maddeningly surrealistic, but that was part of the charm) show again to sign. *please*

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Cancellation/Ending Year
I have not changed the main article but am curious as to why the end of the series has been changed to 1990. I have only seen one site (retrojunk) that says the series ended in 1990. IMDB doesn't list a specific end date but in the cast shows that characters were played until 1989. http://johnnorrisbrown.com/classic-nick/pinwheel/index.htm also lists it as 1989. Is there any reliable source that can prove what the final year of the show was? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thetaester (talk • contribs) 04:24, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Sesame Street?
Does anyone else feel this article shouldn't be talking so much about Sesame Street? This article should describe Pinwheel, not describe the ways how Pinwheel is like some other, more popular, show. If nobody objects, I'll try to take a stab at doing that later this week. APL (talk) 21:49, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Puppets
I don't know whether it was Plus or Minus who tried to board a spaceship, but I am willing to bet that Plus was not his own antagonist. As is, the sentence essentially reads, "Plus stopped Plus from boarding." Perhaps Pinwheel was more avant-garde than I imagine? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.196.195.125 (talk) 19:10, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

The Clockman
I assume many people here are just trying to uncover the secret of the Clockman. Any good leads? Also, if it is right that it should be included under the list of segments, can someone at least put it properly into the list? Or is it supposed to be associated with the show listed above it? Kpkigar (talk) 22:20, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Right now Clockman is just an urban legend. Like a real-life Candle Cove.
 * Even if it exists, assuming it's part of Pinwheel is just a guess. It could be from some other show with a similar format, or it could even have been an advertisement, perhaps even a local advertisement inserted by some local cable company.
 * Or, there's a real chance that it's an episode of one of the shorts already on the list that people are badly misremembering. ApLundell (talk) 21:42, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

 * Update posted here claiming old 1976 Czech animation found on YouTube "About Dressy Sally". 84user (talk) 16:49, 11 December 2017 (UTC) The channel claims to be the same "AAA Studio" aka Art And Animation studio that created the 2008 Goat Story. 84user (talk) 16:58, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

C3
the article says C3 was a network but it was not a network, but instead it was a selection on the old QUBE box. the title card identified C3 as carrying the Pinwheel programming. i dont know whether to fix it because i cant begin to imagine how to word it. 173.87.171.179 (talk) 22:12, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

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El Campello

El Campello (Campello) is a town on the Costa Blanca of Spain, within the Valencian Community. It is a 20-minute tram ride from Alicante city. There is a busy marina and fish market.

The tower overlooking the harbour was built in the 16th century as a lookout for ships.

During October each year, the town holds its moros i cristians (Moors and Christians) festival. The festival includes daily "battles" through the town, where arquebuses are extensively used. There are numerous parades and late night fireworks displays. The evening parades through the centre of the town are resplendent with extravagant costumes.

Places to visit
There are archaeological remains at 'La Illeta' (in Valencian), beside the harbour, where circular cabins dating back to 3000 BC have been found. Also known as 'Banyets de la Reina', the remains of Roman-era fish factories can be seen at the site.

It is an archaeological site of great importance and occupies 4,000 square meters. A number of items were discovered, including Bronze Age remains, and the remains of an important Iberian population that occupied that place during the second and third centuries BC, and the remains of a Roman villa of the second century, including four fish ponds dug into the rock of the same time (though badly eroded, yet visible), and finally the remains of an Arab occupation that was more sporadic in the Middle Ages.

Education
Lycée Français d'Alicante, a French international school, is in El Campello. The school moved to El Campello in 2005.

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Talk:Dobro

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Regarding the trivia, it's my understanding that there is no such thing as a "major fourth" or a "minor fourth", only "perfect fourth", "diminished fourth", or "augmented fourth". The author probably meant "perfect fourth" and "major third", though in context it could be a "diminished fourth" instead of "major third". I don't know. (--pfunk42)

Resonator Guitar
I would like to ask, since I don't know that much about Wikipedia policies regarding trade names, if it might be better to rename this article "Resonator Guitar" and have "Dobro" redirect to it. -- WCFrancis 17:43, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't know what the policy might be, but it strikes me that it might be better practice to rename as suggested. Cmadler 17:10, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * However, for the sake of the prevailing name (Dobro), would it not be best to forego the political correctness and reverse his suggestion? Have "Resonator Guitar" redirected to "Dobro"? Unregistered user, 20:53 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)

convention among my friends is to say "Dobro" when referring to the brand and "dobro" when referring to resophonics in general, especially squarenecks. I think squareneck quitars/lapstyle playing deserves its own page.

 * IMO both Dobro and resonator guitar deserve separate pages, and that's what I'm working on. Some of the material from this article would be better at resonator guitar, certainly. Andrewa 17:31, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Not all Dobros are resonators
See Talk:Lap slide guitar. Andrewa 17:33, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

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The instrument is also sometimes referred to as a "Hawaiian guitar".

This is probably true, but it's rather misleading. A more common meaning of Hawaiian guitar is electric steel guitar, and even this usage is ill-advised as in Hawaiian music the term means something quite different again, see steel guitar. Andrewa 16:14, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

More on the generic use of "Dobro"
See Phil Leadbetter's A Brief History of the Resonator Guitar for some fascinating stuff... caution, some of the details contradict most other sources, but hey he's a guitarist not an historian. But what is really interesting IMO is his take on the Gibson attitude to the name:

''Up until the time that Dobro® was purchased by Gibson, the word "Dobro" was used to describe all guitars that used a resonator. The word "Dobro" just became the slang name for this instrument pretty much like the word "Kleenex" did for tissue, or "Xerox" did for copy machines. Gibson decided that since they had purchased this name, and it was a trademark, they ordered all the builders who had been using this name to describe their instruments to cease using it. It was then that names such as "resonator guitar" and "resophonic guitar" became the politically correct name to identify these instruments. Some people have even called them a TIFKAD guitar, an anagram which stands for "The Instrument Formerly Known as Dobro"- Just a bunch of folks being creative I guess.''

Food for thought. Andrewa 18:12, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Of course the flaw in that comparison is that Kleenex and Xerox were originally and still are brand names and contrary to popular myth, have never been used by other brands in reference to themselves. --JamesTheNumberless 16:12, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Partial refactor
Some stuff that should probably go somewhere:

''As can be seen from the ukulele advert to the right, the model name was the price. So some instruments, while remaining unchanged physically, were sold over several years and therefore actually have catalogue model numbers that get progressively larger as time went by and their prices went up! This makes it nearly impossible to identify most instruments, although the higher the model number (price) the more ornate the instrument would have been as a rule of thumb.''

''special pickups are made for both single cone and tricone instruments. A pickup will amplify the sound signal and allow you to use an amplifier. Fishman makes a well-reviewed resonator pickup, as does Schatten.''

But, I don't think it belongs in the Dobro article. The uke seems to be a National style resonator, and was made and sold by Regal. The pickup note applies to any resonator instrument. Andrewa 07:15, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Removed self-promotion
I removed the following line:

"Modern day usage of the Dobro can be seen in bands like Rocco Deluca and the Burden."

because it seemed to be blatant self-promotion by a band whose own wiki article looks like nothing but a bloated press kit.

The Dobro is not all that rare or unusual an instrument. Surely there are examples of artists who use the Dobro which are more well-known and less self-serving.

 * For example, Elvis Costello's new band (the Sugarcanes) includes a Dobro. Johnskrb2 (talk) 21:17, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Photos
I notice that none of the photos currently in the article are actually of dobros! Dobro is both a brand and a particular design, which contrasts with the National tricone and biscuit designs. Both the National and the Ellis instruments shown are tricones. The LoBro is described here as a one-of-a-kind bass instrument modeled on the dobro, and appears to be a dobro-style resonator at least!

I suspect that the photos that used to be here have all been deleted as replaceable fair use. A pity IMO, but there seems to be a direction to tighten up on this. But the photos that have replaced them are inaccurate, misleading and arguably POV... the TIFKAD movement have never forgiven Gibson for claiming the Dobro name, and no doubt they love Wikipedia's support of their POV in this way. But Gibson have claimed the name, successfully it seems to me, despite the efforts of these few enthusiasts. If there's doubt as to this, we should discuss renaming the articles (again). But we shouldn't have photos illustrating the article which our own article (accurately IMO) says are not dobros at all, or at the very least should point out what they are.

Not quite sure what to do about this... the best thing would be to have a GFDLd image of a typical, genuine dobro, branded and with a single inverted resonator (and preferably pre-Gibson to remove all arguments!), but I don't have one to photograph. Any offers? Andrewa 01:57, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

 * I think we should immediately remove pictures of instruments that are obviously not dobros at all, such as the one of the National Tricone at the top of the page. I wish I had a pre-Gibson Dobro to photograph! JSC ltd (talk) 22:45, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Me too... we'll get one eventually I'm sure. But Wikipedia Commans has a picture of what is at least single resonator instrument with a spider not a biscuit, I'll put that up instead. Andrewa (talk) 06:37, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Hmmm... and at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Dobro.jpg there's an even better image, perhaps even a real, branded Dobro. But unfortunately the permissions are unclear... that is, the permission statement is there but the source is unspecified, so it's a little bit dodgy. Andrewa (talk) 06:45, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

 * I've also done a minor refactor of the lead, hopefully others who want to put in their favourite photo will actually read and understand (-> the text first! But it is a bit involved, owing to the competing single resonator biscuit having been designed and patented before the dobro design, but entering production last of the three main designs, and both the other two being commonly called National patterns. Still not completely happy with the intro phrasing. Andrewa (talk) 23:04, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Ellis guitars
The Ellis guitars mentioned and illustrated in the article would be better described instead in the resonator guitar article IMO... one is a tricone, the other is a single resonator design, but whether National or Dobro pattern I don't know. Andrewa (talk) 23:24, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Grammar
Article currently reads When Gibson acquired the name in 1994, the company announced that it would defend its right to the Dobro's exclusive use.

This just doesn't say what the article used to say, and what it now says is not even sensible... what Gibson own is the Dobro name. Andrewa (talk) 11:52, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

steel guitar
the guitar template is ummmm, ....narrow. Lap steel is mentioned only in ref to a specific instrument. The article is about a musical instrument, but is focused in law. The sound and the technology ... The history of bluegrass, etc, slide guitar, lap and pedal steel are more important. This design influenced a lot of instruments. to b sharp or b flat. the transposed question Romanfall (talk) 06:41, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Removed Link
I took out this link to a history of the resonator by Leadbetter: It's definitely dead and I spent time searching that website and many others to find if it - or similar - still existed, but no luck. Maybe someone else will find something to replace it? --gobears87 (talk) 08:23, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * A Brief History of the Resonator Guitar by Phil Leadbetter.

and a word meaning "goodness" in their native Slovak, and also in Slovenian, Bulgarian, Czech, Serbian, Croatian, Russian and Polish.

Also in Ukrainian, if it has a matter for this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.132.22.52 (talk) 16:36, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

DOBRO RESONATOR (About 1936) How do I find the Value of the guitar & case (orginal)?
My mother played this guitar on the radio with my grandfather & uncles. Later while my dad was serving in the Pacific she played with a group at the USO. This was in the 40's in Washington state. I got it when she passed. I do not play it unfortunatly. I remember her playing at home for myself and family members, a song that Pat Boone had made popular I believe. Love letters in the Sand. She was also able to make it talk, like (Alveno Ray) we were always in wonderment of the beautiful sound the guitar made when Mom played it. It should be played by someone who knows how. Electric guitars are more popular now days, I know. But someone, somewhere may want to own it. So I need to find out a monetary value on it. If you can help please contact me via e-mail: — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.74.58.75 (talk) 15:10, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi there. I've redacted your email, since this is a publicly viewable page that spammers can access and harvest your info from. Danger! High voltage! 20:39, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * This is a page for discussing improvements for the Wikipedia article "Dobro". If you'd like to find out what your guitar is worth, I suggest taking it to an antiques appraiser. Danger! High voltage! 20:41, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Name dobro.
Dobro it is a message. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adambavlna (talk • contribs) 16:25, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Are Dobros used today as originally intended?
I'm just a listener, but I've noticed that Dobro-style guitars are invariably played held horizontally, with a slider on the finger, and used to slide from note to note, and not as a traditional guitar would be used (face vertical, usually plucking individual notes, and so on).

Was this the original plan for this instrument, or did it just happen that most Dobro players play it in this style and not in a traditional guitar style?

Inquiring minds want to know! Something about this would be helpful in the main article. Bill Jefferys (talk) 04:32, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

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proper noun
Is the guitar (not the company) a proper noun? The article uses the term Dobro referring to the guitar as if it is. This is an issue at Full Moon Fever as well as others (I imagine). Chris Troutman ( talk ) 15:29, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Interesting question. Related, we probably need a redirect here from TIFKAD, see https://www.definition-of.com/TIFKAD Andrewa (talk) 04:11, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

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Location transparency

In computer networks, location transparency is the use of names to identify network resources, rather than their actual location. For example, files are accessed by a unique file name, but the actual data is stored in physical sectors scattered around a disk in either the local computer or in a network. In a location transparency system, the actual location where the file is stored doesn't matter to the user. A distributed system will need to employ a networked scheme for naming resources.

The main benefit of location transparency is that it no longer matters where the resource is located. Depending on how the network is set, the user may be able to obtain files that reside on another computer connected to the particular network. This means that the location of a resource doesn't matter to either the software developers or the end-users. This creates the illusion that the entire system is located in a single computer, which greatly simplifies software development.

An additional benefit is the flexibility it provides. Systems resources can be moved to a different computer at any time without disrupting any software systems running on them. By simply updating the location that goes with the named resource, every program using that resource will be able to find it. Location transparency effectively makes the location easy to use for users, since the data can be accessed by almost everyone who can connect to the Internet, who knows the right file names for usage, and who has proper security credentials to access it.

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2005 French Open

The 2005 French Open was the 109th edition of the tournament.

On the men's side, Rafael Nadal, seeded fourth at his first French Open, was a strong favorite to win the singles title after winning the Monte Carlo and Rome Masters. Guillermo Coria, the defending finalist and 2005 runner-up to Nadal in both Monaco and Rome, called Nadal the best clay-court player in the world prior to the tournament. After defeating top seed Roger Federer in the semifinals, Nadal defeated Mariano Puerta to claim his first French Open title, and the first of four won consecutively from 2005 until 2008. Nadal would go on to win the tournament a record 14 times.

In the women's draw, Justine Henin-Hardenne won her second French Open title, defeating 2000 champion Mary Pierce in the final in just 62 minutes. 2005 marked the first of three consecutive years in which Henin would win the women's singles title.

Gastón Gaudio and Anastasia Myskina were unsuccessful in defending their 2004 titles, Gaudio losing in the fourth round and Myskina being upset in the first round. This tournament was also notable for the rise of future French Open champion Ana Ivanovic, who upset the third seed Amélie Mauresmo in the third round, before going on to defeat another future champion in Francesca Schiavone on her way to her first major quarterfinal appearance in just her second major tournament.

Points distribution
Below are the tables with the point distribution for each discipline of the tournament.

Men's singles
🇪🇸 Rafael Nadal defeated 🇦🇷 Mariano Puerta, 6–7(6–8), 6–3, 6–1, 7–5
 * It was Nadal's 6th title of the year, and his 7th overall. It was his 1st career Grand Slam title.

Women's singles
🇧🇪 Justine Henin-Hardenne defeated 🇫🇷 Mary Pierce, 6–1, 6–1
 * It was Henin-Hardenne's 4th title of the year, and her 23rd overall. It was her 4th career Grand Slam title, and her 2nd French Open title.

Men's doubles
🇸🇪 Jonas Björkman / 🇧🇾 Max Mirnyi defeated 🇺🇸 Mike Bryan / 🇺🇸 Bob Bryan, 2–6, 6–1, 6–4

Women's doubles
🇪🇸 Virginia Ruano Pascual / 🇦🇷 Paola Suárez defeated Cara Black /  Liezel Huber, 4–6, 6–3, 6–3

Mixed doubles
🇸🇰 Daniela Hantuchová / 🇫🇷 Fabrice Santoro defeated 🇺🇸 Martina Navratilova / 🇮🇳 Leander Paes, 3–6, 6–3, 6–2

Boys' singles
🇭🇷 Marin Čilić defeated Antal van der Duim, 6–3, 6–1

Girls' singles
🇭🇺 Ágnes Szávay defeated 🇷🇴 Raluca-Ioana Olaru, 6–2, 6–1

Boys' doubles
🇦🇷 Emiliano Massa / 🇦🇷 Leonardo Mayer defeated 🇺🇦 Sergei Bubka / 🇫🇷 Jérémy Chardy, 2–6, 6–3, 6–4

Girls' doubles
🇧🇾 Victoria Azarenka / 🇭🇺 Ágnes Szávay defeated 🇷🇴 Raluca-Ioana Olaru / 🇰🇿 Amina Rakhim, 4–6, 6–4, 6–0

Singles seeds
The following are the seeded players and notable players who withdrew from the event. Seedings are based on ATP and WTA rankings as of 16 May 2005. Rankings and points are as of before 23 May 2005.

Men's singles
† The player did not qualify the tournament in 2004. Accordingly, this was the points from the 18th best result are deducted instead.

The following players would have been seeded, but they withdrew from the event.

Wildcard entries
Below are the lists of the wildcard awardees entering in the main draws.

Men's singles wildcard entries

 * 1) 🇫🇷 Thierry Ascione
 * 2) 🇫🇷 Arnaud Clément
 * 3) 🇦🇺 Peter Luczak
 * 4) 🇫🇷 Gaël Monfils
 * 5) 🇫🇷 Olivier Patience
 * 6) 🇫🇷 Florent Serra
 * 7) 🇫🇷 Gilles Simon
 * 8) 🇫🇷 Jo-Wilfried Tsonga

Women's singles wildcard entries

 * 1) 🇫🇷 Mailyne Andrieux
 * 2) 🇫🇷 Alizé Cornet
 * 3) 🇫🇷 Youlia Fedossova
 * 4) 🇦🇺 Sophie Ferguson
 * 5) 🇫🇷 Mathilde Johansson
 * 6) 🇫🇷 Pauline Parmentier
 * 7) 🇫🇷 Camille Pin
 * 8) 🇫🇷 Aravane Rezaï

Men's doubles wildcard entries

 * 1) 🇫🇷 Thierry Ascione / 🇫🇷 Jean-René Lisnard
 * 2) 🇫🇷 Grégory Carraz / 🇫🇷 Antony Dupuis
 * 3) 🇫🇷 Jérémy Chardy / 🇫🇷 Nicolas Renavand
 * 4) 🇫🇷 Nicolas Devilder / 🇫🇷 Marc Gicquel
 * 5) 🇫🇷 Jérôme Haehnel / 🇫🇷 Florent Serra
 * 6) 🇫🇷 Olivier Mutis / 🇫🇷 Olivier Patience
 * 7) 🇫🇷 Édouard Roger-Vasselin / 🇫🇷 Gilles Simon

Women's doubles wildcard entries

 * 1) 🇫🇷 Mailyne Andrieux / 🇫🇷 Pauline Parmentier
 * 2) 🇫🇷 Séverine Beltrame / 🇫🇷 Camille Pin
 * 3) 🇫🇷 Kildine Chevalier / 🇫🇷 Stéphanie Foretz
 * 4) 🇫🇷 Youlia Fedossova / 🇫🇷 Violette Huck
 * 5) 🇫🇷 Florence Haring / 🇫🇷 Virginie Pichet
 * 6) 🇫🇷 Mathilde Johansson / 🇫🇷 Aurélie Védy
 * 7) 🇺🇸 Martina Navratilova / 🇪🇸 Arantxa Sánchez Vicario

Mixed doubles wildcard entries

 * 1) 🇫🇷 Séverine Beltrame / 🇫🇷 Michaël Llodra
 * 2) 🇫🇷 Alizé Cornet / 🇫🇷 Gaël Monfils
 * 3) 🇫🇷 Stéphanie Foretz / 🇫🇷 Nicolas Devilder
 * 4) 🇫🇷 Émilie Loit / 🇫🇷 Jean-François Bachelot
 * 5) 🇫🇷 Camille Pin / 🇫🇷 Arnaud Clément
 * 6) 🇫🇷 Sandrine Testud / 🇫🇷 Marc Gicquel

Men's qualifiers entries

 * 1)  Saša Tuksar
 * 2)  Stan Wawrinka
 * 3) 🇩🇪 Tomas Behrend
 * 4) 🇫🇮 Jarkko Nieminen
 * 5) 🇨🇿 Lukáš Dlouhý
 * 6) 🇪🇸 Daniel Gimeno Traver
 * 7) 🇪🇸 Fernando Vicente
 * 8) 🇫🇷 Antony Dupuis
 * 9) 🇨🇿 Robin Vik
 * 10) 🇧🇷 Marcos Daniel
 * 11) 🇮🇱 Dudi Sela
 * 12) 🇮🇹 Tomas Tenconi
 * 13) 🇺🇸 James Blake
 * 14) 🇦🇺 Chris Guccione
 * 15)  Novak Djokovic
 * 16) 🇧🇪 Kristof Vliegen

The following players received entry into a lucky loser spot:
 * 1) 🇮🇹 Daniele Bracciali
 * 2) 🇧🇪 Dick Norman
 * 3) 🇧🇷 Flávio Saretta
 * 4) 🇦🇷 Juan Pablo Brzezicki
 * 5) 🇺🇸 Hugo Armando

Women's qualifiers entries

 * 1) 🇺🇸 Meilen Tu
 * 2) 🇸🇪 Sofia Arvidsson
 * 3) 🇦🇷 Clarisa Fernández
 * 4) 🇩🇪 Sandra Klösel
 * 5) 🇭🇺 Petra Mandula
 * 6)  Michaëlla Krajicek
 * 7) 🇨🇿 Eva Birnerová
 * 8) 🇦🇹 Yvonne Meusburger
 * 9) 🇧🇦 Mervana Jugić-Salkić
 * 10) 🇨🇿 Libuše Průšová
 * 11) 🇧🇾 Anastasiya Yakimova
 * 12) 🇮🇹 Mara Santangelo

The following player received entry into a lucky loser spot:
 * 1) 🇨🇿 Lucie Šafářová

Withdrawals

 * Men's singles
 * 🇦🇷 Agustín Calleri → replaced by 🇪🇸 David Sánchez
 * 🇺🇸 Taylor Dent → replaced by 🇮🇹 Daniele Bracciali
 * 🇦🇺 Lleyton Hewitt → replaced by 🇧🇪 Dick Norman
 * 🇸🇪 Joachim Johansson → replaced by 🇧🇷 Flávio Saretta
 * 🇦🇷 Edgardo Massa → replaced by 🇦🇺 Scott Draper
 * Sjeng Schalken → replaced by 🇺🇸 Hugo Armando
 * 🇮🇹 Potito Starace → replaced by 🇦🇷 Juan Pablo Brzezicki
 * Martin Verkerk → replaced by 🇸🇪 Thomas Enqvist
 * 🇦🇷 Mariano Zabaleta → replaced by 🇫🇷 Julien Benneteau

 * Women's singles
 * 🇨🇳 Li Na → replaced by 🇦🇺 Evie Dominikovic
 * 🇦🇺 Alicia Molik → replaced by Silvija Talaja
 * 🇺🇸 Serena Williams → replaced by 🇨🇿 Lucie Šafářová

Official videogame
An official videogame for the tournament, Roland Garros 2005: Powered by Smash Court Tennis, was launched exclusively for the PlayStation 2 platform. The game, which is an updated version of Smash Court Tennis Pro Tournament 2, featured 15 licensed players and 4 official courts of the tournament: Court Philippe Chatrier, Court Suzanne Lenglen, Court 1 and Court 2.

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William B. Hartsfield

William Berry Hartsfield Sr. (March 1, 1890 – February 22, 1971), was an American politician who served as the 49th and 51st Mayor of Atlanta, Georgia. His tenure extended from 1937 to 1941 and again from 1942 to 1962, making him the longest-serving mayor of his native Atlanta, Georgia.

Early career
Hartsfield worked as a clerk while reading law for the law firm of Rosser, Brandon, Slaton & Phillips beginning in 1916. Hartsfield entered politics in 1922 by winning a city alderman seat. He served two terms in the Georgia House of Representatives during the 1930s.

Mayor of Atlanta
William B. Hartsfield was first elected Mayor of Atlanta in January 1937. Upon taking office, the city was $3 million in debt, due to the Great Depression. Hartsfield quickly turned around the city's finances, but lost re-election in 1940. The man who defeated Hartsfield, Roy LeCraw, served just one year as mayor, before being called up as a reservist in the United States Army Air Force. Hartsfield won election in 1941, and remained in office until 1961.

Biographer Harold Martin described Hartsfield as "a man fanatically addicted to the media." By the mid-1950s, he owned eight radios, three television sets, a combination radio-phonograph, a high-fidelity record player, a wire recorder, and a tape recorder. "This way," Hartsfield told an interviewer, "I can keep up all the time with what's going on in Atlanta and all the world. I tell people I'm an electronic mayor. Actually, I'm just a gadget bug."

In an obituary for him, the New York Times credited Hartsfield with developing Atlanta into a national aviation center. He was lauded by the Upper Chattahoochee Development Association in 1957 for his work in promoting the Buford Dam. The dam helped create a source of water, Lake Lanier for the Atlanta metropolitan area.

Hartsfield received an honorary degree in Doctor of Laws from Oglethorpe University in 1961.

Race
The New York Times called Hartsfield a "racial moderate," highlighting his slogan "Atlanta is a city too busy to hate", which he often repeated during the civil rights struggles of the 1950s. In 1957, he won election to his last term as mayor by defeating the staunch segregationist and future Governor Lester Maddox.

Before Christmas 1955, Hartsfield ordered Atlanta's city golf courses be opened to Black golfers.

Throughout much of the 1940s, Hartsfield pushed for Atlanta to annex a number of predominantly white suburbs, fearing that Atlanta's "Negro population is growing by leaps and bounds," resulting in the loss of "white territory inside Atlanta," and hoped that the inclusion of these suburbs would prevent the city's black population from becoming a "potent political force in Atlanta." While residents of these suburbs rejected annexation in a 1947 referendum, legislation was passed which annexed these communities in 1952, tripling Atlanta's area, and adding 100,000 new residents to the city.

Legacy
Willie B., a gorilla that became a popular attraction at Zoo Atlanta for decades, was named for Hartsfield.

Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport is named in Hartsfield's honor as well as a later mayor, Maynard Jackson, who led the modernization of the airport in the 1970s.

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Peter Hill-Wood

Peter Denis Hill-Wood (25 February 1936 – 27 December 2018) was a British businessman and a chairman of Arsenal Football Club.

Biography
Hill-Wood was born in Kensington, London, son of Denis Hill-Wood and his wife Mary Smith. His father, three uncles and grandfather all played first-class cricket for Derbyshire County Cricket Club.

Peter Hill-Wood attended Ludgrove School and Eton College, where he was a classmate of former Arsenal director Sir Roger Gibbs. He then served in the Coldstream Guards. After leaving the Guards, Hill-Wood entered the banking industry, eventually rising to become a vice-chairman of Hambros Bank, having previously been in charge of its investment division.

After Hill-Wood retired from his post at Hambros, he was a director of Cavenham Ltd and Hellenic and General Trust.

Arsenal chairmanship
He was the third generation of his family to serve as chairman of Arsenal, following his father, Denis Hill-Wood (in office 1962–1982), and his grandfather, Samuel Hill-Wood (1929–1936 and 1946–1949) from Glossop, Derbyshire. Hill-Wood joined the Arsenal board in October 1962. Peter succeeded his father after the latter's death in 1982. He was not in charge of any day-to-day business at the club, which was generally run by David Dein and a succession of first team managers.

Hill-Wood was a colleague of Chips Keswick – a former Bank of England director – at Hambros and subsequently saw him recruited to the Arsenal board to provide strong City of London contacts at a time when the club were financing their new stadium.

Hill-Wood sold much of his family holdings in the club to former vice-chairman David Dein in the 1980s and 1990s and the rest to Stan Kroenke.

On 14 June 2013 Hill-Wood stepped down and was replaced as chairman by Keswick.

Other

 * He played first-class cricket for the Free Foresters Cricket Club in 1960.
 * He and Chips Keswick were both members of Business for Sterling.

Personal life
He married Sally Andrews in 1971 and had three children.

Health
On 2 December 2012, Arsenal announced Hill-Wood had suffered a heart attack and was recovering in hospital.

Death
Peter Hill-Wood died late in the evening of 27 December 2018, aged 82.

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Hinds Lake Hydroelectric Generating Station

The Hinds Lake Generating Station is a hydroelectric power plant located within the Newfoundland Highland forests ecoregion, in western Newfoundland on the eastern shore of Grand Lake. It makes use of 220 m of head between Hinds Lake on the Buchans plateau and Grand Lake.

The plant operates under an average net head of 214 m. The average rated flow of 20.3 m3/s generates 75 megawatts (MW) electrical power with an average annual production of 352 GWh. The unit, which is equipped with a francis turbine, was first synchronized on December 12, 1980.

The feasibility of a hydro electric development in the area was known of in the early 1960s when Bowater Power Company had completed plans to build a power station on Hinds Brook, which flows from Hinds Lake to Grand Lake. However, the Bowater Power Company decided not to undertake the project when it was learned that the Newfoundland and Labrador Power Commission was building a large generating station at Bay d'Espoir (Bay d’Espoir Hydro Electric Development), and that it would be more economical to buy power from the Commission than to build their own generating plant.