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Talk:Salesian College Preparatory

Non encyclopedic content
Some non encyclopedic content has now been removed. Please refer to the guidelines for school articles at WP:WPSCHOOLS.--Kudpung (talk) 06:58, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

More non encyclopedic content has now been removed. Please refer to the guidelines for school articles at WP:WPSCHOOLS/AG .--Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:28, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Reminder

More non encyclopedic content has now been removed. Please refer to the guidelines for school articles at WP:WPSCHOOLS/AG. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:37, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Reminder

Sex abuse
As per our entire article on the subject of sex abuse in the Salesian Order titled Sexual abuse scandal in the Salesian order this content should not be reverted. It is cited. All the priests are dead anyways so BLP does not apply. Only the former principal is alive. I diligently searched for information on the school to expand the article and simply added what the sources stated. That's all. It can be rewritten or copyedited but not reverted or I am calling in the cavalry!99.145.194.98 (talk) 09:21, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * You should probably read WP:MEAT, WP:OWN, WP:BRD and WP:CONSENSUS. You have at least three editors opposing your actions. Content is not decided by verifiability (although it's required), it is decided by consensus. You have three editors opposing you. One of them has removed it again. It stays out unless or until a compromise is reached or you sway those opposing you that your preferred version is better. I'd suggest the former. My suggestion would be to add one sentence in the history section in the proper chronological order stating something about several instances of sex abuse occurring over the years they occurred and incorporating the Wikilink above. John from Idegon (talk) 16:12, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for bringing this historic issue to the talk page, it helps us to understand your viewpoint, but it would be more helpful if you registered and edited under a username. Suggesting you have a cavalry regiment of sockpuppets on call is not helpful. One editor was permanently blocked for editing the same topic on the the Salesian College (Rupertswood) deceptively. When touching legal issues it is good to have established a profile. Sexual abuse scandal in the Salesian order is the correct place to put the details of the horror. These events may be the most notable events in the history of the school, but they are history. The focus of the article is the school and undue weight must not be put on a series of historical events.

 * Please see WP:WPSCH/AG for the sections that are expected. To build up your profile you could try improving references on St John Bosco High School Bellflower, they all come from the primary source- the school, and here you should place a back link to the abuse scandal- but keep it to a one line link back to Sexual abuse scandal in the Salesian order (SASintheSO). I suggest the line the school was involved in the decades long Salesian sexual abuse scandal Remember that Wikipedias BLP guidelines on privacy are far stricter than that of newspaper- report convictions not unproven allegations.

 * I would suggest the paragraph on the Rupertswood article is similarly contracted and the removed material merged into SASintheSO. In SASintheSO, more work should be put into Belgium and Holland. ClemRutter (talk) 22:50, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The priests are dead so BLP does not apply, I don't think it should be overlooked this school itself not the order was found complicit in the horrors, I only have one account here I must've been logged out. I never edited the other high school and know nothing about it.Ndołkah (talk) 21:07, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I was caught by that one once. The priests are dead but we cannot guarentee that their victims are dead, we must also consider the interests of family members. A further test is that 'information is relevant to the readers complete understanding of the subject' To many, the subject is 'Salesian College Preparatory' not the abuse. Do try to have a look at the articles on other Salesian schools- that lack even a reference, just don't go over the top! ClemRutter (talk) 09:35, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I did not go over the top, I expanded a bit on your suggested wording and I did not name names but it was already removed. I don't think we censor names for people like Scott Peterson for example because of what his family might think. If it's out there in the media and books and magazines we are not adding we are just reporting what was found by the primary sources by the secondary sources. I think to have a complete understanding of the school you should know about its controversial mascot, it's STEM program, it's awards, it's boy's and girls club, some of which I added myself and sourced as I wanted to expand on this one when I discovered the "horrors" which where unbeknownst to me. How do you suggest we avoid constant edit conflicts here? I made sure not to go over the top perhaps I have it all too much weight but it shouldn't be completely whitewashed either.Ndołkah (talk) 10:10, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * OMG i just reviewed the article for Salesian College (Rupertswood) OMG they just can't keep their hands off of them can they? That's why I left the church for the longest time it creeps me out. You never hear about pagans doing this kind of thing do you?Ndołkah (talk) 10:55, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Found another articlehereNdołkah (talk) 12:29, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * How about "The school was involved in the decades long Sexual abuse scandal in the Salesian order. This included several cases where this particular school's priests was found complicit posthumously and the victims awarded hundreds of thousands of dollars in compensation by the courts, with the two payouts occuring in 2006." it is supported by the existence of the other article and the sources..Ndołkah (talk) 17:53, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Ndołkah, I think you're on the right track, but your wording is too vague (for instance "decades long" and "hundreds of thousands"), and could be construed as not coming from a WP:NPV. I'm also leaving out the 2000 incident as it was a charge, but not a conviction.

**Conditional support - as long as it is just a paragraph in the history section with no subheader. To add a subheader would put undue emphasis on the subject, a violation of WP:RECENT. John from Idegon (talk) 03:08, 14 June 2019 (UTC) See below. John from Idegon (talk) 02:15, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I propose adding into the appropriate chronological order (as a paragraph in the history section with no subheader) - In 2006, as part of a larger Sexual abuse scandal in the Salesian order, two instances of sexual abuse occurring between 1969 and 1979 at Selesian High School (now Selesian College Preparatory) resulted in a settlement of $700,000 to one victim and a jury award of $300,000 to another.  Orville1974  (talk) 01:57, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * John from Idegon, I've amended the proposal per your recommendation.  Orville1974  (talk) 03:40, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Ok that is progress and it looks good. What about the third case? And also I believe it was 600,000 for the second case not 300,000.Ndołkah (talk) 03:50, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I addressed the third case in my response to you above. It's a charge, not a conviction, so I've intentionally left it out.  The source I cited (and the one you mentioned at the very bottom of the talk page) states a $700,000 settlement and $300,00 jury award (the article came out about 5 months after the award).  The other source you used above says a $600,000 jury award for the same case  (this article came out shortly after the verdict). The Contra Costa Article said $700,000 and came out at about the same time as the $600,000 SFGate article .  So we have two $700,000, one $600,000, and one $300,000 (with other out of area articles that syndicated the $600,000 amount, like Albequerque).  The October article is the only one that mentions the $700,000 settlement, so maybe there was confusion about the settlement vs. the award?
 * Due to the uncertainty, perhaps it should read as above but end with " . . . preparatory)" and contain nothing about the amounts. Or it could read,  . . . Preparatory) resulted in approximately $1 million in combined settlements and judgments?  I personally prefer leaving the dollar amount out (the first option), rather than estimating an amount based on conflicting sources.  Orville1974  (talk) 04:26, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Let's just say approximately then, I think it should be mentioned.Ndołkah (talk) 04:29, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I think it was actually 300,000 as per this article the initial award was 600,000 but after the appeal it seems it was the other figure.Pulpit NonfictionNdołkah (talk) 04:41, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I think it is also worth noting the victim in the 300,000 settlement is the founder of Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests.Ndołkah (talk) 04:42, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Former principal is actually got convicted per this articlehouse of the accusedNdołkah (talk) 04:47, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The source doesn't say that. The archbishop was convicted per the article; however, the author is careful to call the principal's actions alleged (check the last names and you'll see it's two different people being talked about).  As for the founder of SNAP, there were multiple victims at this school, but the proposed sentence above doesn't name them.  If a reader wants to know more, they can follow the Wikilink to the abuse article itself.  Orville1974  (talk) 04:57, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I think you may be getting the settlement and the award mixed up, too. if it was 600,000 appealed to $300,000, that would be the jury award being appealed down.  The settlement would still be $700,000.  So now we're looking at $1 million exactly ($700,000 settlement and $300,000 jury award) which is right where we somehow started in the proposal above :) .  Orville1974  (talk) 05:00, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Almighty then, well then I trust you on that let's add it in then.Ndołkah (talk) 05:09, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

In retrospect, I don't see the encyclopedic value in even mentioning dollar amounts. We are talking about more than two victims now too. Well, both two and more than two can be stated "multiple". The payout date isn't particularly important either. So why don't we say something along the lines of "Between 1969 and 1979, multiple instances of sex abuse resulted in the school being held liable for substantial monetary damages.(refs)" John from Idegon (talk) 06:24, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

 * This covers all the salient facts and is brief and to the point. I have no problem with adding 3 citations so readers can easily read more if they wish. Encyclopedia articles summarize what others have written. Excess detail on a particular bit in history just make it harder to navigate through the information for the reader. It's much like adding the score of the state championship game. The important fact is they won; the score is just trivial detail. John from Idegon (talk) 06:42, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I think we should go with what the sources state.Ndołkah (talk) 06:26, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't understand your point. Are you claiming that something either Orville or I have written doesn't follow the sources? John from Idegon (talk) 06:47, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Not at all, what I am saying is that the sources seem to point out the sum paid out rather prominently and we should follow that as it is more comprehensive IMO and WP:SOURCE does state we should aim for accuracy.Ndołkah (talk) 10:07, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I also found this video accusing Kamala Harris of stonewalling investigations into child sexual abuse by the Archdiocese of San Francisco including what happened at Salesian High School.

 * Hi Ndołkah. You jumped the gun on your bold edit by a couple of days, but it seems the other individual's we were waiting on before making the edit are probably not going to weigh in, so no harm in this case.  I do recommend (especially for controversial edits where you're seeking consensus on the talk page) waiting a week or so to give everyone a chance to weigh in (WP:NODEADLINE).  There is a typo, in your edit, so I'm tweaking it now.  Orville1974  (talk) 17:01, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh ok thank you for that, it looks better with the fix.Ndołkah (talk) 19:03, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I found more sources and added a new sentence as there have been new revelations.hereNdołkah (talk) 08:50, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Mascot change
The school is adjacent to the Lytton Rancheria and offended many of the natives there with the chieftain mascot of 2006 and years past, why was this removed?Ndołkah (talk) 21:09, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
 * It's clearly explained in the edit summary. John from Idegon (talk) 00:05, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I also changed your section header. It's clearly in violation of WP:NPOV and since I was there, I capitalized it correctly. Are you aware this article isn't controlled by, nor is it for, the school? I'm guessing not, as your remarks appear to presume some sort of knowledge about the school and the community. An encyclopedia article is made up of material paraphrased from reliable sources. Your comments here should reflect that. John from Idegon (talk) 00:27, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Which section header did you change I did not notice that one, but why remove the sourced content about the racist mascot? How would you like your tribal people to be used as a cartoon for others amusement? The Lyttons next door and Ohlones, Miwuk, and Pomo and others first nations certainly did not. It should be preserved for posterity and Wikipedia should have a neutral point of view about this matter and include it. I grew up in the community and the mascot issue was in the press quite a bit and for years, it really should be included, even if rewritten to improve it. By paraphrasing the reliable sources such as the Contra Costa Times or San Francisco Chronicle. My comments will reflect whatever I want them to thank you very much, we are all entitled to speak freely.Ndołkah (talk) 08:02, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * If you type "racist mascot" one more time without citing a reliable secondary source directly (ie publication, date, author, page number etc), I will be asking that you be blocked. That is POV. Period. "Racist" is a highly charged subjective word. No one cares about your opinion. This is not a blog. Everything here comes from reliable published sources. I have given policy based reasons for all the changes I've made. If you object, either formulate logical arguments based in reliable secondary sources and Wikipedia policies or drop it. Consensus dictates content and the editor wanting the content in the article is responsible for gaining it. Please stop wasting others time. As I've told you on your talk, and frankly you should know if you are going to edit here, every single thing in any article on Wikipedia must be paraphrased from reliable sources. What you "know" and your opinions are both totally irrelevant. John from Idegon (talk) 08:31, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * "Salesian to Replace 'Offensive' Mascot: RICHMOND: School Removed Chieftain for Cultural Reasons" stated that it was found "racist" by members of the community written by Kimberly Wetzel, Contra Costa Times, 2006. Perhaps someone can use the wayback machine or find it on Lexus Nexus? Go ahead and ask, I am Native American and it is racist you can't have be blocked just because I say a crudely drawn stereotypically generic Native man logo is racist because anyone without poor taste can make that determination. We deserve better. The consensus in Indian Country is that it is akin to blackface I highly suggest you educate yourself on the matter and this is just a talk page for crying out loud. I understand the process but this was already cited and in the article for some time I believe when you arbitrarily removed it. These mascots are very hurtful to people like me. I am not wasting your precious time I am working to achieve consensus and improve this article giving due diligence to the sources that I have found and what they honestly say. The history of the mascot and this small victory for first nations should be included in the article and preserved for posterity.Ndołkah (talk) 10:38, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * So far we also have this sources that statesOther schools have retired Native American-based mascots in recent years, including Salesian High School in Richmond, which went from the Chieftains to the Pride in 2006.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ndołkah (talk • contribs) 17:57, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Anything more than a brief mention (if any mention at all) would give this undue WP:PROPORTION and WP:WEIGHT. Nothing about this school's former mascot is significantly different than the staggering number of schools, sports teams, bubble gum brands, cigar shops, comic strips, movies, etc. that have demonstrated a systemic insensitivity to one race or another.  Orville1974  (talk) 02:13, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Agree with Orville. Changing mascots at schools that use or used some Native American iconography is commonplace. Content should be distinguishing. It's far more noteworthy in the instances where it's been made an issue and no change was made. I do not see a reason to mention it, but would not object to one sentence in the athletics section stating something along the lines of "In XXXX, the school changed its mascot from A to B, due to the nationwide controversy over use of terms associated with Native Americans as athletics mascots.(ref) Just as with the sex scandal, there is no reason to ho into great detail here when we have an article that explains it to link to. John from Idegon (talk) 02:52, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Ok John, do you want to go ahead and add that in or shall I? The only other thing I would say is that the school did refuse to change it for years ever since it was brought up by Native America which is why the old article which I read made sense to me to keep any chance of finding it still?Ndołkah (talk) 04:10, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Also since the article doesn't have that much content I propose adding: In 2006, the school changed its mascot from the Chieftain to the Pride, due to the nationwide controversy over the use of Native American related mascots in athletics.Ndołkah (talk) 04:25, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

 * Support - The exact wording proposed directly above (with the word the added between over and use ("the nationwide controversy over the use").
 * Comment - did you mean to post this support comment in the section above regarding the sexual abuse?  If so, please move it up to that section.  If not, please remove your !vote here (since you proposed the change, your support is already noted). :)   Orville1974  (talk) 22:21, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Is it ok to alphabetize notable alumni?
Just wondering because that was also reverted!Ndołkah (talk) 17:45, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:AGF I'm sure your efforts got wiped as a part of the repetitive reverts a couple days ago. I don't think anyone would mind you setting the alumni straight again.  Orville1974  (talk) 02:17, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Ok I will go ahead and change it then.Ndołkah (talk) 04:14, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I alphabetized the list by surname. — Archer1234 (talk) 00:07, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah so that is supposed to be how it goesNdołkah (talk) 05:53, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Salesian schools
Can we mention it is one of the Salesian schools and have a see also to the other 16 and counting Salesian SchoolsNdołkah (talk) 17:46, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Ndołkah, I think this is covered in the proposal under sex abuse above.  Orville1974  (talk) 01:59, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * No this is something entirely different this is a proposal to link the opening section to the article on the network of schools article not the sex abuse article. It seems that it is missing. Furthermore I propose a see also section that states it is one of 16 Salesian secondary schools for which we have articles. I think it is worth noting.Ndołkah (talk) 04:14, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

 * The lede is a mess of Wikilinks. I think it needs less, not more.  The Salesian schools article and the Salesian School disambiguation page should really be combined.  I think a See Also link at the bottom of this article would be more than enough.  I will probably scrub the Salesian schools article soon and merge it and the dab page together, anyway.  Orville1974  (talk) 04:47, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I therefore added it to a later section where it clutters less, do you think the intro should be rewritten then?Ndołkah (talk) 10:10, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * John reverted my simple edit again and is acting like he owns this article without discussing. I propose we add Saleaian College Preparatory is one of at least 16 Salesian schools.
 * That's exactly the way it's supposed to work WP:BRD. You boldly added it, he disagreed by reverting it, now it's brought here to discuss it and work out any differences of opinion. However, address the topic not the individual.  I recommend editing your comment to focus on the issue and try to gain consensus for the change you'd like to make.  Per my comment above, I personally think a See Also link at the bottom of the article is more than enough. It appears it's only us three discussing this aspect of the article, so reaching a consensus shouldn't take very long.   Orville1974  (talk) 02:57, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
 * This article is about this school, not a group of schools. There is already a link to Salesian schools in the lede. I can see that as identifying information, much like listening the school district in a public school article. The LEDE serves two purposes in a Wikipedia article: to give basic identifying information and to summarize the high points in the rest of the article. Salesian schools are not discussed anywhere in this article and they shouldn't be. We already have a link to the article about them. That's enough. Additionally, there is never a time when we should say "about 16". Obviously there is a precise number of schools. You cannot possibly have "about" a number of schools. It sounds sloppy, like lazy research. Last point. We've done this before on Jesuit Cristo Rey schools. The consensus there was we cover the mother organization by linking. It also ended up with the only editor opposing topic banned from school articles indefinitely. John from Idegon (talk) 03:24, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I just realized the last sounded threatening. I've struck it. That discussion drug on for 12 weeks and included overall about a dozen editors, with one being quite tendentious. No one is behaving that badly here. John from Idegon (talk) 03:37, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

 * Don't support pending a compelling argument that hasn't been stated yet to include the recently reverted text. - I was agreeing to, at most, a See Also inclusion, which isn't needed if a Wikilink (which I forgot was already added a few days ago just before my copy edit--it's in the first sentence of the history section, not actually in the lede) is already present in the article.  Orville1974  (talk) 03:53, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, it was added after the See Also recommendation. That makes more sense to why I hadn't noticed when I made that recommendation.  So I'm okay with one or the other (in the article or in a See Also section, but not both).  John's rationale for it being included similar to the way a school district is in other articles makes perfect sense to me.  I do want to note, right now it's not actually in the lede, it's the first sentence of the history section.  John, I know you're much more experienced with school articles, so I'll defer to you as to where the school district is usually mentioned (the lede, a See Also section, or in the body of the article), as long as a link to Salesian Schools is included somewhere.  Orville1974  (talk) 04:16, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
 * So to clarify I thought it had been removed in one of the reverts, I am fine with it being in the history section unless it is usually in the lede which it is not contrary to the confusion that it is currently in the lead hehe. I don't know how many Salesian schools there are, that is a good question. There are two disambiguation pages on the matter, the don bosco schools and the salesian schools, the later we have 16 articles for ever since I created Salesiano Valparaíso, speaking of which anyone have any more content sources for expanding it? No threat taken! I think we can get along here man. I think we should have a link to the Salesian schools disambiguation up top however.Ndołkah (talk) 05:14, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

disambiguation link
with so many salesians, there should be a link to the disambiguation please don't revert thisNdołkah (talk) 06:15, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
 * We normally don't link to disambiguation pages, since they don't actually help the reader understand the content of the article the link is coming from. Since Salesian Schools has it's own article, the link should be directly to it.  As I mentioned earlier, I'll probably end up combining the Salesian Schools article with the the dab (disambiguation page) you just linked to, anyway.  What will be left at that point will be a list article, which will introduce Salesian schools (from the content on their current article page), then list out all of the individual schools (from the current dab page) for readers interested in finding out more about a particular one.  Since this is so closely related to the discussion above, and we're still waiting on John to weigh in, please pull the DAB (disambiguation link) you just added until the conversation regarding a general link to Salesian Schools is concluded.  We definitely don't need multiple links to Salesian schools (in one form or another) in the article.  Orville1974  (talk) 22:26, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Never mind about the dab, I see John already pulled it.  Orville1974  (talk) 22:28, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Sounds goodNdołkah (talk) 06:58, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Sunday evening
I have refrained from commenting so far as the language being used on this talk page is far too personal, and has placed, any one who has tried to help, in the role of a combatant. So standing aside on a different continent, and outside any faith group I will make a few observations.

The guidelines we should all be following are WikiProject Schools/Article guidelines and it should be written from a global perspective. At the moment, the entire stub is well punctuated, parochial trivia-- with a good infobox. For any school article we are looking for :  == History == == Governance == == School structure == == Admissions == == Curriculum == (Academics) == Extracurricular activities == == Campus == == Awards and recognition == == Notable alumni == == Notable staff == == Former headteachers == == References == == External links == *  These sections need to be summarized in strong lead/lede

Commenting on the individual content until all of this has been done is pointless.

Our guidelines are strong on remaining neutral and not being negative about the school of today.

The problem we have here is that this college under another name is notable worldwide for only one thing -being involved in a thirty year long abuse scandal. We need to have wider advice on how to report it. We need to address it to maintain Wkipedias reputation as being neutral. WP:NPOV

Editors from other countries are under a further pressure as their national laws will interpret a failure to address the issue as condoning the behavior. (Yes, I intentionally bolded the warning). But too much Googling will imply to the courts that the editor has a prurient interest in the topic. Teachers and others with access to children must undergo an invasive police check.

All the sections apart from History are safe to edit, and need to be started. I advise that we hold back on the history section until we have a full article and a one sentence link to a general article on the Salesian issues can be included. It looks as if there are about 16 articles affected. ClemRutter (talk) 22:51, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

 * , this discussion is about this article and only this article. And frankly the notion that we cannot discuss individual content issues unless every section the guidelines suggest are here is nonsense. As is your entirely off topic discussion about background checks and laws in other countries. This article is about a US school and Wikipedia servers are in the US. No content here now or before was in violation of US law (although there was considerable content in violation of policy). Please stop muddying the waters. John from Idegon (talk) 23:43, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes we have enough trouble agreeing on wording for the article as is and perhaps you should chime in as to how we should approach the judgements paid out as we could use another opinion (based on policy) up up and above. There are not 16 articles affected there are 16 schools named Salesian not all of them have been found to have had abuse occur at them in reliable sources, perhaps you should move your comments to the article on the schools or on expand the article on the abuse within the order?Ndołkah (talk) 07:19, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I gave a very considered response above. I hold back writing on US articles generally- trusting the judgement of the local editors. For a starter I have split the history section off from the rest, and advise that you concentrate on writing about the school as it is today. I went on the schools website, and found the school profile which can be downloaded as a pdf. It provides a few leads. It tells us the organisations that validate graduation- it gives a clue onto what the students will be obliged to study for their time there. I couldn't find any details of all the electives offered but there is this useful list that will need to be explained in a global context and wikified :

English I Honors (9) World History Honors (9) Spanish II Honors (9, 10) AP Biology (10) English II Honors (10) AP Computer Science (10, 11, 12) Spanish III Honors (10, 11) AP Language & Composition (11) AP U.S. History (11) Chemistry Honors (11) Pre-Calculus Honors (11, 12) AP Calculus AB (11, 12) AP Calculus BC (11, 12) AP French (11, 12) AP Spanish (11, 12) AP English Literature (12) AP Art History (12) Comparative Religions Honors (12) Economics Honors (12) U.S. Government Honors (12)

 * All this can go into a new section -- Curriculum --. All this can be done openly. The history section can be expanded from the website too. They do not mention the abuse scandal years and at the moment neither should we- I see that a lot has been moved to a separate page which is the correct approach.
 * I have added a map module to the infobox- there are other ways to do that but I find that this give you the most control.
 * Read the guidelines WikiProject Schools/Article guidelines they will give you more ideas.

ClemRutter (talk) 17:09, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi ClemRutter! I disagree with  your argument for not including the abuse scandal for these reasons:  The school's choice to omit information that may reflect negatively on the perception of their school in their own publication of a highly-publicized issue (by multiple, independent third-party sources) that went on for a decade at this school is poor rationale not to include it in the article.  The outcome of the cases has been resolved, and it is now a part of the school's history (so the "at the moment" remark, implying inclusion at some future time would be more appropriate, doesn't make sense--we don't have a conflict with WP:RECENT).  However, considering WP:PROPORTION, we have chosen a brief mention with a wikilink to the separate article as the most appropriate way to include the information.  Orville1974  (talk) 17:36, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree with Orville we don't just follow the primary source (the school) we follow reliable second party sources such as newspapers which cover the sexual abuse in detail.Ndołkah (talk) 20:34, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I think I am choosing my words very carefully. Please do not try read something into them that I did not say. I am advising a dedicated editor on the best strategy for developing this article. Any article on a school has the easy bits and the the more difficult bits. The easy bits we can use a primary source. A schools article has to be about the existing school. When John Doe is looking for a school suitable for Jemima, he will look at this article and get professional overview of what it offers- now -today. Getting more grisley, when there is a school shooting, every journalist in the world will google the school, and often repeat what wikipedia has said. You will see your lead appear verbatim on the first news report, and as the night progresses that will be removed and large chunks of the article will end up in their script. The prime focus of the school article is to describe todays school.
 * When we have that article we can explain how it got there.
 * What happened in the past was gruesome, and revolting but a lot more care must be taken on how it was written up. That occurs in the middle of the ==History== section, and to keep WP:PROPORTION we first need a section on the first 50 years, then we need a section on how it was involved in the Salesian SA scandal, the courts judgement etc. and how it reacted and changed itself in the light of the judgement. These references must be solid, secondary WP:RS. I have issued a strong warning above that underreporting and be as damaging to the editor as overreporting. I have said that removing the details of the abuse to another page is the correct approach. That page is barely more than a stub and needs a lot of attention- and WP:BLP care.
 * I am concerned that the weight of the incident is being minimised by trivia (WP:WEIGHT) such as golf tournaments and charity events. These are sentences that need to be oiked out and be put into another section, which I will probably do if no-one gets there first. ClemRutter (talk) 22:07, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Umm no it belongs on the school's page because it happened at this school, other article's shortcomings are their own.Ndołkah (talk) 08:20, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Read what I said again. A section is a part of the article- it is part of the page. History is a section. School is a section. Charitable works is a sub section. I did the edit on 20 June, you improved it on 22 June. Keep smiling. ClemRutter (talk) 15:57, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

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the map on tyke infobox is wrong it shows the school being in el cerrito not Richmond where it is actually locatedNdołkah (talk) 20:52, 20 June 2019 (UTC).
 * Please, look at the source code, then correct it.--ClemRutter (talk) 22:10, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Have how idea just reporting it... it's been fixed thoNdołkah (talk) 05:35, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I just copied the code from my user page and changed the numbers. I use my user page as my memory! You will find lots of editing links there. But I also have a User:ClemRutter/training page, which I keep lots of examples that I may need when I am teaching a course. Do have a look- do copy the examples and try them out on your /sandbox page (User:Ndołkah/sandbox). In this particular case- the coord of the school was out by 0.05 degrees. But as often happens there was a better way to do it.--ClemRutter (talk) 09:42, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

We should include something about this

 * A statement on the treatment of predator priestsNdołkah (talk) 09:46, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

What if anything should we include from the CNN video?
Ndołkah (talk) 08:52, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Football Champs
It is sourced and their historic win of state championships should be includedNdołkah (talk) 08:47, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

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Gustav Karl Laube

Gustav Karl Laube (8 February 1839 – 12 April 1923) was a German Bohemian geologist and paleontologist.

Biography
Laube was born on 8 February 1839 in Teplice, Bohemia. In 1871 he became a professor of mineralogy and geology at the technical university in Prague, and in 1876, a professor of geology and paleontology at the German Charles-Ferdinand University in Prague. Here, he was also director of the geological institute.

He was active in geological research of the Ore Mountains and neighbouring areas. He also served as geologist of the Second German North Polar Expedition (1869–1870).

He died on 12 April 1923 in Prague, Czechoslovakia.

Written works

 * Die Fauna der Schichten von St. Cassian (Vienna 1865–1870, 5 parts) – The fauna from the strata at St. Cassian.
 * Die Gastropoden, Bivalven und Echinodermen des braunen Jura von Balin (1867) – Gastropods, bivalves and echinoderms in the brown Jurassic strata of Balin.
 * Beitrag zur Kenntnis der Echinodermen des vicentinischen Tertiärgebiets (1868) – Contribution to the knowledge of echinoderms in the Vicenza Tertiary area.
 * Über einige fossile Echiniden von den Murray Cliffs in Südaustralien (1869) – On some fossil echinoids from the Murray cliffs of southern Australia.
 * Reise der Hansa ins Nördliche Eismeer (Prague 1871) – Journey aboard the Hansa to the northern Arctic Ocean.
 * Hilfstafeln zur Bestimmung der Mineralien (2nd edition, 1879) – Auxiliary panels for the determination of minerals.
 * Die Echinoiden der österreichisch-ungarischen obern Tertiärablagerungen (1872) – Echinoids from the Austro-Hungarian upper Tertiary deposits.
 * Geologische Beobachtungen, gesammelt während der Reise auf der Hansa und gelegentlich des Aufenthalts in Südgrönland (Vienna 1873) – Geological observations, collected during the trip of the Hansa and from occasional stays in southern Greenland.
 * Geologie des böhmischen Erzgebirges (Prague 1876–1887, 2 volumes) – Geology of the Bohemian Ore Mountains.
 * Geologische Exkursionen im Thermalgebiet des nordwestlichen Böhmens (Leipzig 1884) – Geological excursions in the thermal springs region of northwestern Bohemia.
 * Synopsis der Wirbeltierfauna der böhmischen Braunkohlenformation (Prague 1901) – Synopsis of the vertebrate fauna from the Bohemian lignite formation.
 * Volkstümliche Überlieferungen aus Teplitz und Umgebung (2nd edition, 1902) – Folk traditions of Teplice and surrounding areas.

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Talk:Overwhelming post-splenectomy infection

I just removed the part that said that bacterias "evolved" into something, without changing the rest of the text or the related concepts — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tewfik5 (talk • contribs) 20:40, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

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I do not think this should be a "stub" requiring expansion. The process is of a septicaemia and the cause is lack of functioning spleen (asplenia) both of which already covered. David Ruben 23:01, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmm... If there really isn't anything else to be said about the infection, then it could be very well just merged into either sepsis (septicaemia redirects there), asplenia or both. My opinion is that it can be expanded — for example, what about the occuring rates (is it rare or more common); who get the disease, where, why and when; are there any specific symptoms; etc. I've no medical education though, perhaps someone knows a bit more about the subject?undefined—undefinedPt(T) 08:59, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Good points. There is still a risk of duplication between this, septicaemia and asplenia (oh and splenectomy), but the "occuring rates ..." is a valid point. Let me mull over this a few days and I will then relook at the relevant pages and see what I can do.David Rubentalk 02:43, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

I added a little bit on the mechanism of infection. It's not complicated, but its enough to explain to medical school students and maybe the general public. (BF) 20:25, 27 April 2007

sepsis following splenectomy is a separate category
In 2002, an infectious disease specialist (the late Dr. Leland Rickman, incoming president of the Infectious Disease Assn. of Californian) shared in personal communication with me that surgical asplenia is distinct because there is no re-generation of tissue as he had seen was the case with non-surgical asplenia. Further, immunizations in the asplenic patient do not/may not? provide the same immune system response as in other individuals. Did his observations ever make it into the medical literature? --MichelleInSanMarcos (talk) 16:52, 9 November 2017 (UTC) === This case study has not been published so cannot be included in the wikiepdia article; nevertheless it supports the idea that OPSI is its own category === In November 1999, in a patient with sepsis 18 years post-surgery, it was the case that the illness went unrecognized at an emergency room attached to a teaching university until the patient's relative--who had medical training--insisted that a spinal be done, which was positive for bacteria-resistant pneumococcal meningitis. It happened that a proximal relative with non-surgical asplenia that was unrelated to sickle cell anemia complications (ie, the relative's asplenia was due to trauma) did not contract the illness although in close quarters throughout. Following three weeks of Vancomycin, the patient recovered. The patient had received the then-requisite pneumococcal vaccine post-splenectomy, following the protocol used at the time of surgery, but titres subsequent to recovery showed an uneven profile of antibodies for the strains in the serum, except for a spike at #24.--MichelleInSanMarcos (talk) 16:52, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

The article references preventative measures - immunization, antibiotics -- but not the need for patient education
Patient awareness of imunno-compromise status is critical. Information on the Internet for asplenic patients: a systematic review - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3191896/ The article starts with the assertion, "Asplenic patients in general have poor knowledge about their condition." The article points out that OPSI prevention requires patient education. "Asplenic patients are an often overlooked group of immunocompromised patients who are at risk for serious infections." MichelleInSanMarcos (talk) 05:26, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

See also https://www.uptodate.com/contents/preventing-severe-infection-after-splenectomy-beyond-the-basics Patient education: Preventing severe infection after splenectomy (Beyond the Basics) - Fever greater than 100.4ºF or 38ºC MichelleInSanMarcos (talk) 05:32, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Proposed section: various health systems differ in choice of prevention
Listing by country sheds light on the different incidence and outcomes, as well. I haven't seen a primary source that does this. MichelleInSanMarcos (talk) 23:08, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

What is "rare"?
The first sentence includes the word "rare," referencing a paper, which in turn references a 1996 paper that includes "an estimated lifetime risk for OPSI of approximately 5%." I hesitate to include this incidence because it is from 1996; on the other hand, perhaps the rate has remained stable. Waghorn DJ (March 2001). "Overwhelming infection in asplenic patients: current best practice preventive measures are not being followed". Journal of Clinical Pathology. 54 (3): 214–8. doi:10.1136/jcp.54.3.214. PMC 1731383. PMID 11253134. Rather than use a qualitative word, why not hit the rate itself? Is "rare" a technical term that means 1 standard deviation from the norm? MichelleInSanMarcos (talk) 02:30, 2 August 2019 (UTC)


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Basil Radford

Arthur Basil Radford (25 June 1897 – 20 October 1952) was an English character actor who featured in many British films of the 1930s and 1940s.

He trained at the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art and made his first stage appearance in July 1924. He is probably best remembered for his appearances alongside Naunton Wayne as two cricket-obsessed Englishmen in several films from 1938 to 1949.

Early life
Radford was born in Chester, England, on 25 June 1897.

First World War
He was a commissioned officer in the South Staffordshire Regiment in the First World War, in 1918 transferring into the Royal Air Force, ending the war as a subaltern when he was demobilised in 1920. Radford had a crescent-shaped scar on his right cheek from a wound sustained during his time in the trenches. Depending on the lighting and camera angle it varied from barely perceptible to prominent.

Film career
Radford first appeared with Naunton Wayne as their characters Charters and Caldicott in Alfred Hitchcock's 1938 thriller The Lady Vanishes. They were popular enough to reprise their roles in Night Train to Munich, which was again scripted by Frank Launder and Sidney Gilliat.

They appeared together in several other 1940s films, including Crook's Tour (1941), The Next of Kin (1942), Millions Like Us (1943), Dead of Night (1945), Quartet (1948), It's Not Cricket (1949), Stop Press Girl (1949), and Passport to Pimlico (1949).

Apart from his long-running partnership with Naunton Wayne, Radford made many other memorable film appearances in character roles. His other films included Young and Innocent (also for Hitchcock) (1937), The Way to the Stars (1945), The Captive Heart (1946), The Winslow Boy (1948) and Whisky Galore! (1949).

Personal life
In 1926, he married Shirley Deuchars. They had one son.

Death
Radford's health began seriously to fail in the summer of 1951, forcing him to take a long break from acting. He died at St George's Hospital, Westminster, London, on 20 October 1952, from liver failure due to cirrhosis of the liver.

Complete filmography
• Barnum Was Right (1929) as Standish

• Woman to Woman (1929) as Officer in Street (uncredited)

• Seven Days Leave (1930) as Corporal

• There Goes the Bride (1932) as Rudolph (uncredited)

• Leave It to Smith (1933) as Sir John Moynton

• A Southern Maid (1934) as Tom

• Foreign Affaires (1935) as Basil Mallory

• Broken Blossoms (1936) as Mr. Reed

• Dishonour Bright (1936) as Henry Crane

• Jump for Glory (1937) as Defending Counsel

• Young and Innocent (1937) as Erica's Uncle

• Captain's Orders (1937) as Murdoch

• Convict 99 (1938) as Deputy Governor

• The Lady Vanishes (1938) as Charters

• Climbing High (1938) as Reggie

• The Royal Family of Broadway (1939) as Gilbert Marshall (TV Movie)

• Let's Be Famous (1939) as Watson

• Trouble Brewing (1939) as Guest at Madame Berdi's (uncredited)

• Shall We Join the Ladies? (1939) as Mr. Preen (TV Movie)

• Jamaica Inn (1939) as Lord George

• Secret Journey (1939) as Reggie

• The Four Just Men (1939) (uncredited)

• The Girl Who Forgot (1940) as Mr. Barradine

• She Couldn't Say No (1940) as Lord Pilton

• Spies of the Air (1940) as Bill Madison

• Just William (1940) as Mr. Sidway

• Girl in the News (1940) as Dr. Threadgrove

• Night Train to Munich (1940) as Charters

• The Flying Squad (1940) as Sederman

• Room for Two (1940) as Robert Spencer

• Crook's Tour (1941) as Charters

• Save Rubber (1942) (government Information film short)

• Flying Fortress (1942) as Captain Wilkinson

• The Next of Kin (1942, cameo, with Naunton Wayne) as Careless talker on train (last scene)

• Unpublished Story (1942) as Lamb

• London Scrapbook (1942) as Himself

• Dear Octopus (1943) as Kenneth

• Millions Like Us (1943) as Charters

• Twilight Hour (1945) as Lord Chetwood

• The Way to the Stars (1945) as Tiny Williams

• Dead of Night (1945) as George Parratt

• The Captive Heart (1946) as Major Ossy Dalrymple

• A Girl in a Million (1946) as Prendergast

• The Winslow Boy (1948) as Desmond Curry

• Quartet (1948) as Henry Garnet (segment "The Facts of Life")

• It's Not Cricket (1949) as Major Bright

• Passport to Pimlico (1949) as Gregg

• Stop Press Girl (1949) as The Mechanical Type

• Whisky Galore! (1949) as Captain Paul Waggett

• Helter Skelter (1949) as Maj. Bright (uncredited)

• Chance of a Lifetime (1950) as Dickinson

• Ha'penny Breeze (1950) as Shopkeeper (uncredited)

• The Galloping Major (1951) as Major Arthur Hill (also based on a story written by Radford)

• White Corridors (1951) as Retired Civil Servant (final film role)

* Charters and Caldicott films

Selected stage appearances

 * Night Must Fall by Emlyn Williams (1935)
 * Someone at the Door by Campbell Christie (1935)
 * Blondie White by Bernard Merivale and Jeffrey Dell (1937)
 * The Innocent Party by H.M. Harwood (1938)
 * Warn That Man! by Vernon Sylvaine (1941)
 * The Blind Goddess by Patrick Hastings (1947)
 * A Penny for a Song by John Whiting (1951)

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User talk:Buwayahman

Please stop. If you continue to use Wikipedia for advertising, you will be blocked from editing. --W(t) 23:02, 2005 Jun 12 (UTC)

March 1st, 2006
I don't think Prostitution needs a link to a Philipino entertainment guide. It seems off-topic at best and possibly derogatory --Do Not Talk About Feitclub (contributions) 09:47, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

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Supply Corps

A Supply Corps is a branch of a country's military which is in charge of logistics and supply procurement to the armed forces. The term is also used by private corporations but on a much rarer basis.

In the United States armed forces, each branch of service has its own supply corps. The United States Army refers to the organization as the Quartermaster Corps while the U.S. Navy operates a group known as the Navy Supply Corps.

In most militaries, the Supply Corps are considered staff officers meaning that they have no command authority over troops in the field or ships at sea. In the modern age, however, some logistics commands (such as Commander Naval Logistics Forces Korea) have such a forward deployed manpower base that they are considered equal to front line combat units. The supply corps are responsible for supply logistics for combat and non-combat missions. e.g., securing supplies, materials and equipment required by for combat units.

History
The U.S. Navy Supply Corps was established by an act of congress in 1795 for the purpose of procuring supplies for military operations.

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Broderie anglaise

Broderie anglaise (French, "English embroidery", ) is a whitework needlework technique incorporating features of embroidery, cutwork and needle lace that became associated with England, due to its popularity there in the 19th century.

History and technique
Broderie anglaise is characterized by patterns composed of round or oval holes, called eyelets, which are cut out of the fabric, then bound with overcast or buttonhole stitches. The patterns, often depicting flowers, leaves, vines, or stems, are further delineated by simple embroidery stitches made on the surrounding material. Later broderie anglaise also featured small patterns worked in satin stitch.

The technique originated in 16th century eastern Europe—probably in what is now the Czech Republic—but remains associated with England because of its popularity there during the 19th century. In the Victorian era, broderie anglaise typically had open areas in many sizes. Transfers were used first to lay out the design on the material. In some cases, the holes were punched out with an embroidery stiletto before finishing the edge; in other cases, the fabric was embroidered first, and the hole was cut afterwards, with scissors. Beginning in the 1870s, the designs and techniques of broderie anglaise could be copied by the Swiss hand-embroidery and schiffli embroidery machines. Today, most broderie anglaise is created by machine.

Madeira work is a popular form of broderie anglaise associated with artisans on Madeira, a group of Portuguese islands off the coast of Africa.

Similarities with Chikankari
Chikankari, first recorded in the 16th century in Persia and India, involves intricate needlework with openwork and embroidery. Both techniques use specialised tools to punch holes in the fabric, allowing for the creation of intricate patterns. In Chikankari, a stitch called "Hool" exemplifies this, using a fine detached eyelet stitch where a hole is punched in the fabric and the threads are teased apart.

Fashion and popular culture
Broderie anglaise was extremely popular in England between 1840 and 1880 for women's underclothing and children's wear. The 1950s saw a resurgence in popularity, when it was frequently used to trim dresses and underwear. In 1959, Brigitte Bardot wore a dress of gingham and broderie anglaise for her wedding to Jacques Charrier.

In contemporary western fashion, it has been featured on a wide variety of modern garments such as shorts and even t-shirts. It has been characterized as "lace, but scaled-up" making it more robust and suited to daytime wear, and less associated with the fine, lacy look of lingerie.

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Paul Bril

Paul Bril (1554 – 7 October 1626) was a Flemish painter and printmaker principally known for his landscapes. He spent most of his active career in Rome. His Italianate landscapes had a major influence on landscape painting in Italy and Northern Europe.

Life
Paul Bril is believed to have been born in Antwerp although his birthplace may have been Breda. He was the son of the painter Matthijs Bril the Elder. Paul and his older brother Matthijs likely started their artistic training with their father in Antwerp. Paul may also have been a student of the Antwerp painter Damiaen Wortelmans who was specialised in the decoration of harpsichords.

Matthijs moved to Rome probably around 1575. Here he worked on several frescoes in the Vatican Palace. It is believed Paul joined his brother in Rome around or after 1582.

When Matthijs died in 1583, his brother likely continued his work, picking up many of Matthijs' commissions. Paul's earliest known works date from the late 1580s. He established his reputation with commissions from Pope Gregory XIII in the Collegio Romano. His success was assured after Pope Sixtus V became his principal patron. Bril was part of a team specialized in landscape painting and thus participated in almost every assignment which entailed decorative landscapes, such as in the Basilica di Santa Maria Maggiore, the Vatican Palace and the Scala Santa. Another important early commission was the fresco cycle in the Santa Cecilia in Trastevere in Rome of around 1599.

Pope Clement VIII also became his patron and gave the artist a commission for a monumental seascape on the Martyrdom of St. Clement. Paul Bril completed this commission in the Vatican Palace's Sala Clementina in collaboration with the brothers Giovanni and Cherubino Alberti (1600–02/3). In 1601 Paul received another major commission, to paint a series of large canvases featuring properties of the Mattei family. Paul further painted landscape frescoes in the Casino dell'Aurora of the Palazzo Pallavicini-Rospigliosi in Rome.

His patrons were among the most influential people in Rome and included members from the Colonna, Borghese, Mattei and Barberini families in Rome as well as Cardinal Federico Borromeo in Milan, Cardinal Carlo de’ Medici in Florence and Duke Ferdinando Gonzaga in Mantua.

In 1621, Paul Bril became director of the Accademia di San Luca, the artists' academy in Rome. This was a clear sign of the high esteem in which he was held by his fellow artists in Rome as he was the first foreigner to hold this position.

He had many students including his son Cyriacus Bril, Luigi Carboni, Balthasar Lauwers, Willem van Nieulandt II, Pieter Spierinckx, Agostino Tassi and Hendrick Cornelisz Vroom. Karel Philips Spierincks may also briefly have been his pupil.

Paul Bril died in Rome in 1626.

Work
Paul Bril initially painted in the late Mannerist style developed by his brother. These early landscapes are in the Flemish tradition inaugurated by Joachim Patinir and Pieter Bruegel the Elder and further developed by his own brother. Works from this early period were characterised by a picturesque arrangement of landscape elements and violent contrasts between light and dark. These early paintings also show strong contrasts of forms to create a sense of dramatic motion. Bril contrasted steep cliffs with chasms or dark, twisting trees growing from hills next to flat, sunlit pastures.

His style changed during his stay in Rome. His compositions became calmer and his style more classicising around 1605. This may have been due to the influence of Annibale Carracci and Adam Elsheimer. The works from this period have lower horizons and less abrupt transitions from foreground to background. The subjects are typically pastoral or bucolic scenes and mythological subjects. This late style had a strong influence on the development of Flemish landscape painting and was crucial to Claude Lorrain's formation of the classical landscape. Agostino Tassi may have been Paul's pupil. Tassi later became the master of Claude Lorrain. Paul Bril thus forms one of the links between the panoramic views of Joachim Patinir and the ideal landscape evolved by Nicolas Poussin and Claude Lorrain. Bril is considered a precursor of the Dutch Italianates such as Cornelius van Poelenburgh and Bartholomeus Breenbergh, and, to a certain extent, of the Flemish and Dutch genre painters active in Rome known as the Bamboccianti.

Paul also painted small cabinet paintings on copper and panel commencing from the 1590s. Some of these he signed with a pair of glasses, a pun on the Flemish word bril which means "glasses". These small-scale paintings depicted subjects that he and his brother had rendered before on a large scale, such as tempestuous seascapes, hermits in the wilderness, travelling pilgrims, peasants among ancient ruins, hunters and fishermen. A prolific draftsman, his drawings were popular with collectors and were copied by the many students who worked with him in his studio, which was a popular destination for Dutch and Flemish artists visiting Rome.

He often collaborated on paintings with Johann Rottenhammer. According to a dealer's letter of 1617, Rottenhammer painted the figures in Venice and then sent the plates to Rome for Bril to complete the landscape. Bril also collaborated with his friends Jan Brueghel the Elder and Adam Elsheimer, whom he both influenced and was influenced by. His collaboration with Elsheimer is shown in a painting now in Chatsworth House. Bril introduced Jan Brueghel the Elder to Cardinal Federico Borromeo, who subsequently became Brueghel's most important patron. He also let the Dutch landscape artist Bartholomeus Breenbergh live in his Roman residence for many years.

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Talk:Broderie anglaise

Incorrect capital A
Since broderie anglaise is a French phrase, anglaise should not be capitalised. Unless anyone objects, I propose to move the article back to Broderie anglaise in a couple of days. Awien (talk) 11:32, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that detail. QTsaines (talk) 18:42, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:DVD formats

Creation of article
I created this article as an extension of the DVD article, with the idea of putting a comparison table of the different formats. I am not completely sure how to make tables, so any help is welcome. I would like to better understand what is a user supposed to use when picking a DVD format.--AAAAA 23:04, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Standards
All these articles suggest that the standard is set by the dvd forum. But can one claim that as long as there are competing standards? For example, the DVD+R article states that the DVD Forum claims that the DVD+R format is not an official DVD format. But the inverse is not claimed at the dvd-r format article. In other words, Wikipedia is choosing sides in a commercial dispute, which is even worse than POV. Or is there some way in which it can be claimed that the DVD forum sets the official standards? And who determines that then? DirkvdM 09:07, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * No, there is no way to say who sets the official standard. The DVD forum merely notes that DVD+R and DVD+RW, as well as the DVD+VR recording format are not endorsed by the DVD forum. Both formats exist in the market and both are based on different sets of IPR and patents.
 * For PC recording drives one hardly can speak of a format war anymore. Almost all drives currently in the market support both formats. For video recording prodcts, there isn't really a war to speak off. All recorders in the market play back DVD Video, and there hardly is a real war between DVD+VR and DVD-VR from the market point of view, not like there was for VHS and Betamax anyway. Shelve-space for DVD media seems to be less of an issue than for rental-tapes.
 * IMHO the entire applicaion formats section should be re-written to be more up to date, and more correct.Pieter-Bas 23:15, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Added back an old paragraph about the DVD+ formats. 81.107.43.7 05:29, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Grammatical cleanup required
The text of this article could benefit from some TLC from an English-language geek. I'd do it myself but I'm a tad tired at the moment. (I come to Wikipedia to find out the byte and sector capacities of the various DVD formats, and what happens? I start copyediting. What's amusing is that this is NORMAL for me. Where but Wikipedia do you come to read and end up writing? :) ) Rosuav (talk) 14:27, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Application Formats -- fix or scrap
The Application Formats section of this article appears to be in a dire situation. It may be a good idea to split off this particular section as it seems like it was written in a "stream of consciousness" manner, which should allow the contents to be refocused on an actual topic related to "application formats".

As it is, I don't see anything particularly important in this section, and if I were a totalitarian editor, I'd just delete the whole thing. 70.91.178.185 (talk) 13:28, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, i for one found this section very interesting (it was all new to me). However, i could not understand the first sentence of the first topic (VR Mode) due to the use of forward slashes (it's not clear if the slashes separate words or phrases). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.123.168.38 (talk) 03:30, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

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Wouter Bos was not minister of finance in the second cabinet of Kok, unlike what this article says. Finance minister was mr Zalm (VVD) back than, Bos was working for Shell in those days.

Mr Bos was Undersecretary of Finance in Kok's second cabinet, and as such was Mr Zalm's subordinate.-84.26.109.69 15:03, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Is it really necessary to retain the references about Wouter Bos's sexy ass - This was crude the moment it was reported and I don't see its relevance here.

I don't see why we should credit the gain in power from the PvdA in the municipal elections to the charisma of Wouter Bos. It was a local election. Besides of it i can't find the source from this statement.

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Viceregal throne (Ireland)

The Viceregal throne is the former throne of the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland (the title of the Viceroy of Ireland). A set of thrones, one for the Lord Lieutenant (pronounced 'Lord Lef-tenant') and one for his consort, the Vicereine, were used on state occasions in Dublin Castle. The set were photographed on a daïs in St Patrick's Hall in an image in the Lawrence Collection, now owned by the National Library of Ireland.

In 1938, the Throne, minus the crown which used to decorate its top, and with the Irish coat of arms stitched into the fabric on the chair, was used in the inauguration of Douglas Hyde as President of Ireland. The former Viceregal Throne was used in all Irish presidential inaugurations on the daïs during the ceremony in St. Patrick's Hall in Dublin Castle from 1938 to 2004.

Symbol
Along with the historic Presidential Rolls-Royce, which has been used to transport Presidents-elect to all inaugurations since 1952, and the Presidential residence, Áras an Uachtaráin, the Viceregal Throne is one of the three most recognisable symbols of the otherwise low-key Presidency of Ireland. The Blue Hussars Mounted Escort, a once recognisable symbol of the Presidency, was abolished in 1948 and replaced by a motorcycle escort.

Replacement
A new Presidential Chair, designed by John Lee, was used for the first time at the inauguration of President Michael D. Higgins on 11 November 2011.

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Contrabass flute

The contrabass flute is one of the rarer members of the flute family. Typically seen in flute ensembles, it is sometimes also used in solo and chamber music situations. Its range is similar to the regular concert flute, except it is pitched two octaves lower; the lowest performable note is two octaves below middle C (the lowest C on the cello). Many contrabass flutes in C are also equipped with a low B (in the same manner as many modern standard-sized flutes are). Contrabass flutes are only available from select flute makers.

The contrabass retains the facility for trills, as found elsewhere in the flute world. The contrabass' ease of arpeggiation is moderate and thus equivalent to the rest of the flute family. The contrabass flute requires a much greater air volume to produce sound than most other wind instruments, and a broader, slower air stream is needed to produce a solid tone. The upper registers (middle C and above) lack the tonal strength found in its cousins; the strongest register is arguably between G2 and G3. The low register (below G2) has similar qualities to the bassoon.

Contemporary musicians using the contrabass flute include Paige Dashner Long, Andy Findon, Laura Hyder, Madeleine Bischof, Pierre-Yves Artaud, Matthias Ziegler, Stefan Keller, Ned McGowan, Peter Sheridan, Patricia García, Sérgio Morais, David Lamont, Patrick Shaw Iversen, Vinny Golia and André 3000. Golia plays all flute sizes and recorded the CD Music for Like Instruments: The Flutes with a quartet of three other flutists.

The contrabass flute in C is produced by Jean-Yves Roosen (France), by the Japanese firm Kotato & Fukushima, Eva Kingma, Pearl, Di Zhao, and Christian Jäger from Munich. Jupiter Flutes has created a student model for flute ensembles. Kotato & Fukushima is one of the few sellers of double contrabass flutes.

Contrabass flutes have also been made from PVC pipe by the Dutch flute maker Jelle Hogenhuis. If the wall thickness is kept small, the PVC creates a louder contrabass. PVC can also sustain more rough treatment.

Repertoire
New solo and chamber music is being composed for this instrument. Performer Peter Sheridan has commissioned numerous works from composers worldwide, including Alex Shapiro, Patrick Neher, Vinny Golia, Bruce Lawrence, Adrienne Albert, and Sheridon Stokes. As a virtuoso solo instrument, some concertos have been composed for the contrabass flute. Catherine McMichael composed a concerto for low flutes and orchestra in 2006 entitled 'Three Philosophies', in which one of the movements features the contrabass flute. In April 2008, the well-structured concerto "Bantammer's Swing" for contrabass flute and chamber orchestra by Ned McGowan premiered in Carnegie Hall. In 2010, the 'Lyric Concerto' for contrabass flute and strings was commissioned by Sheridan from the late Australian composer Bruce Lawrence. 'Nola' by composer Benjamin Yusapov was commissioned by the international soloist Matthias Ziegler for multiple low flutes and orchestra. Numerous composers have written for the contrabass flute, including Wil Offermans, Robert Dick, Thomas Seelig, Andrew Downes, Catherine McMichael, Phill Niblock, Günter Steinke, Juan Cerono, Nicolás Medero Larrosa, Fernando Curiel, Mariano Rocca, Angeles Rojas, Jorge Chikiar, Esteban Sebastiani, Valentin Pelisch, and Ezequiel Menalled.

Furthermore, the contrabass flute is utilized more in the flute choir, with most newer pieces including a part for the instrument. Though the part is either a duplicate or simplification of the bass flute part for many pieces, some of the newest repertoires include an independent contrabass flute part. Composers of such pieces include Peter Senchuk, Toby Caplan-Stonefield, Lawrence Ink, Phyllis Avidan Louke, and Judy Nishimura, among others.

Variations
One variation is a "contrabass flute in G," or a contra-alto flute technically, as it is pitched a fourth below the bass flute and an octave lower than the alto flute. Another instrument is the sub-contrabass flute in G, pitched one octave below the contra-alto flute or two octaves below the alto flute in G. Kotato & Fukushima also produce a "sub-contrabass flute in C", or double contrabass flute pitched a full octave below the contrabass flute.

In popular culture
The contrabass flute is one of the unusual instruments that were chosen to create the signature sound of the Horizon game series.

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Nobuhito, Prince Takamatsu

Nobuhito, Prince Takamatsu (高松宮宣仁親王) was the third son of Emperor Taishō (Yoshihito) and Empress Teimei (Sadako) and a younger brother of Emperor Shōwa (Hirohito). He became heir to the Takamatsu-no-miya (formerly Arisugawa-no-miya), one of the four shinnōke or branches of the imperial family entitled to inherit the Chrysanthemum throne in default of a direct heir. From the mid-1920s until the end of World War II, Prince Takamatsu pursued a career in the Japanese Imperial Navy, eventually rising to the rank of captain. Following the war, the prince became patron or honorary president of various organizations in the fields of international cultural exchange, the arts, sports, and medicine. He is mainly remembered for his philanthropic activities as a member of the Imperial House of Japan.

Early life
Nobuhito was born at the Aoyama Palace in Tokyo to then-Crown Prince Yoshihito and Crown Princess Sadako. His childhood appellation was Teru-no-miya (Prince Teru). Like his elder brothers, Prince Hirohito and Prince Yasuhito, he attended the boy's elementary and secondary departments of the Peers' School (Gakushuin). When Prince Arisugawa Takehito (1862–1913), the tenth head of the collateral imperial house of Arisugawa-no-miya, died without a male heir, Emperor Taishō placed Prince Nobuhito in the house. The name of the house reverted to the original Takamatsu-no-miya. The new Prince Takamatsu was a fourth cousin, four times removed of Prince Takehito.

Military service
Prince Takamatsu attended the Imperial Japanese Naval Academy from 1922 to 1925. He received a commission as an ensign on 1 December 1925 and took up duties aboard the battleship Fusō. He was promoted to sub-lieutenant the following year after completing the course of study at the Torpedo School. The prince studied at the Naval Aviation School at Kasumigaura in 1927 and the Naval Gunnery School at Yokosuka in 1930-1931. In 1930, he was promoted to lieutenant and attached to the Imperial Japanese Navy General Staff in Tokyo. He became a squadron commander of cruiser Takao, two years later and subsequently was reassigned to the Fusō. Prince Takamatsu graduated from the Naval Staff College in 1936, after having been promoted to lieutenant commander on 15 November 1935. He was promoted to the rank of commander on 15 November 1940 and finally to captain on 1 November 1942. From 1936 to 1945, he held various staff positions in the Naval General Staff Office in Tokyo.

Marriage
On 4 February 1930, Prince Takamatsu married Kikuko Tokugawa (26 December 1911 – 18 December 2004), the second daughter of Yoshihisa Tokugawa (peer). The bride was a granddaughter of Yoshinobu Tokugawa, the last Shōgun of the Tokugawa shogunate, and a granddaughter of the late Prince Arisugawa Takehito. Shortly after the wedding, Prince and Princess Takamatsu embarked upon a world tour to Europe and then across the United States so as to strengthen the goodwill and understanding between Japan and those nations. Prince Tokugawa Iesato (also known as Prince Iyesato Tokugawa) was the uncle of Prince and Princess Takamatsu. Prince Tokugawa allied with Prince and Princess Takamatsu on many international goodwill projects.

Prince and Princess Takamatsu had no children.

Second World War
From the 1930s, Prince Takamatsu expressed grave reservations regarding Japanese aggression in Manchuria and the decision to wage war on the United States.

After the Battle of Saipan in July 1944, Prince Takamatsu joined his mother Empress Teimei, his uncles Prince Naruhiko Higashikuni, Prince Yasuhiko Asaka, former prime minister Konoe Fumimaro, and other aristocrats, in seeking the ouster of the prime minister Tojo Hideki.

After the surrender
After the end of WWII, Prince Takamatsu became the honorary president of various charitable, cultural and athletic organizations including the Japan Fine Arts Society, the Denmark-Japan Society, the France-Japan Society, the Tofu Society for the Welfare of Leprosy Patients, the Sericulture Association, the Japan Basketball Association, and the Saise Welfare Society. He also served as a patron of the Japanese Red Cross Society (present day the Honorary President is Empress Masako) and was a major contributor of the NBTHK (Nihon Bijutsu Token Hozon Kyokai or Society for the Preservation of the Japanese Sword). He also officiated the Honorary President of the Preparatory Committee for founding International Christian University (ICU) located in Mitaka, Tokyo.

In 1975, the Bungei Shunjū literary magazine published a long interview with Takamatsu in which he told of the warning he made to his brother Hirohito on November 30, 1941, the warning he made to him after Midway and that, before the surrender, he and Prince Konoe had considered asking for the emperor's abdication. The interview implied that the emperor had been a firm supporter of the Greater East Asia War (Japanese name of the Pacific War in those days) while the prince was not.

Prince Takamatsu died of lung cancer on February 3, 1987, at the Japanese Red Cross Medical Center (ja, located in Shibuya, Tokyo). His remains were buried at Toshimagaoka Cemetery located in Bunkyō, Tokyo.

Diary
In 1991 the prince's wife Kikuko, Princess Takamatsu and an aide discovered a twenty-volume diary, written in Prince Takamatsu's own hand between 1921 and 1947. Despite opposition from the entrenched bureaucrats of the Imperial Household Agency, she gave the diary to the magazine Chūōkōron, which published excerpts in 1995. The diary in full was published from 1995 to 1997, in eight volumes.

The diary revealed that Prince Takamatsu bitterly opposed the Kwantung Army's incursions in Manchuria in September 1931, the expansion of the July 1937 Marco Polo Bridge Incident into a full-scale war of aggression against China and in November 1941 warned his brother, Hirohito, that the Imperial Japanese Navy could not sustain hostilities for longer than two years against the United States. He urged his eldest brother, Emperor Shōwa to seek peace after the Japanese naval defeat at the Battle of Midway in 1942; an intervention which apparently caused a severe rift between the brothers.

Titles, styles and honours

 * 3 January 1905 – 5 July 1925: His Imperial Highness Prince Teru
 * 5 July 1925 – 3 February 1987: His Imperial Highness Prince Takamatsu

National honours

 * JPN Daikun'i kikkasho BAR for discussion.svg Grand Cordon of the Order of the Chrysanthemum (1 February 1925)
 * JPN Kyokujitsu-sho 1Class BAR.svg Grand Cordon of the Order of the Rising Sun
 * JPN Zuiho-sho (WW2) 1Class BAR.svg Grand Cordon of the Order of the Sacred Treasure
 * JPN Kinshi-kunsho 4Class BAR.svg Order of the Golden Kite, Fourth Class (29 April 1940)
 * 1937-1945 China Incident War Medal.png China Incident Medal (29 April 1940)

Foreign honours

 * 🇧🇪 Belgium: Grand Cordon Order of Leopold (1930)
 * 🇸🇪 Sweden: Knight of the Royal Order of the Seraphim (1930)
 * 🇮🇹 Italy: Knight of the Order of the Most Holy Annunciation
 * 🇪🇸 Spain: Collar of the Order of Charles III (1930)
 * 🇬🇧 United Kingdom: Recipient of the Royal Victorian Chain, conferred in 1930, revoked in 1942.
 * 🇵🇹 Portugal: Grand Cross of the Order of the Tower and Sword (1930)
 * Czechoslovakia: Grand Cross of the Order of the White Lion (1931)

Patrilineal descent

 * Imperial House of Japan

 * 1) Descent prior to Keitai is unclear to modern historians, but traditionally traced back patrilineally to Emperor Jimmu
 * 2) Emperor Keitai, ca. 450–534
 * 3) Emperor Kinmei, 509–571
 * 4) Emperor Bidatsu, 538–585
 * 5) Prince Oshisaka, ca. 556–???
 * 6) Emperor Jomei, 593–641
 * 7) Emperor Tenji, 626–671
 * 8) Prince Shiki, ???–716
 * 9) Emperor Kōnin, 709–786
 * 10) Emperor Kanmu, 737–806
 * 11) Emperor Saga, 786–842
 * 12) Emperor Ninmyō, 810–850
 * 13) Emperor Kōkō, 830–867
 * 14) Emperor Uda, 867–931
 * 15) Emperor Daigo, 885–930
 * 16) Emperor Murakami, 926–967
 * 17) Emperor En'yū, 959–991
 * 18) Emperor Ichijō, 980–1011
 * 19) Emperor Go-Suzaku, 1009–1045
 * 20) Emperor Go-Sanjō, 1034–1073
 * 21) Emperor Shirakawa, 1053–1129
 * 22) Emperor Horikawa, 1079–1107
 * 23) Emperor Toba, 1103–1156
 * 24) Emperor Go-Shirakawa, 1127–1192
 * 25) Emperor Takakura, 1161–1181
 * 26) Emperor Go-Toba, 1180–1239
 * 27) Emperor Tsuchimikado, 1196–1231
 * 28) Emperor Go-Saga, 1220–1272
 * 29) Emperor Go-Fukakusa, 1243–1304
 * 30) Emperor Fushimi, 1265–1317
 * 31) Emperor Go-Fushimi, 1288–1336
 * 32) Emperor Kōgon, 1313–1364
 * 33) Emperor Sukō, 1334–1398
 * 34) Prince Yoshihito Fushimi, 1351–1416
 * 35) Prince Sadafusa Fushimi, 1372–1456
 * 36) Emperor Go-Hanazono, 1419–1471
 * 37) Emperor Go-Tsuchimikado, 1442–1500
 * 38) Emperor Go-Kashiwabara, 1464–1526
 * 39) Emperor Go-Nara, 1495–1557
 * 40) Emperor Ōgimachi, 1517–1593
 * 41) Prince Masahito, 1552–1586
 * 42) Emperor Go-Yōzei, 1572–1617
 * 43) Emperor Go-Mizunoo, 1596–1680
 * 44) Emperor Reigen, 1654–1732
 * 45) Emperor Higashiyama, 1675–1710
 * 46) Prince Naohito Kanin, 1704–1753
 * 47) Prince Sukehito Kanin, 1733–1794
 * 48) Emperor Kōkaku, 1771–1840
 * 49) Emperor Ninkō, 1800–1846
 * 50) Emperor Kōmei, 1831–1867
 * 51) Emperor Meiji, 1852–1912
 * 52) Emperor Taishō, 1879–1926
 * 53) Nobuhito, Prince Takamatsu

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Back to Somerset
I'd be interested to see evidence of any campaign to restore Somerset to its old boundaries. My parents live in North Somerset, and although I'm aware of grumbling about the new council (the "back to Somerset" lot were overjoyed at first until they realised that what they were actually getting was an independent Woodspring), restoration of the original county boundaries isn't a serious proposition as far as I can tell. --Andrew Norman 23:08, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, we don't want restoration of the original boundaries, as they're still there! What we want is more recognition that the county boundaries are independent of local government changes. Owain 08:19, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * That's not what the article says, though - see the last paragraph. I grew up in the area during the time when Avon was created, so I know all the various campaigns and attitudes of the time (one of the more implausible claims was that Taunton was a better shopping town than Bristol, and "closer" to Clevedon because of the motorway).  A lot of it had to do with Tory areas not wanting to be tainted by "socialist" Bristol, and that's less clear-cut now.  The small unitary authorities are often inefficient and have occasionally had the whiff of dodgy politics, but I think most people who look at it objectively would say that administratively, it's either that, or a restored "Greater Bristol", i.e. Avon.  The argument about ceremonial county boundaries is (as far as I can tell) dead and buried now, as Avon's Lord Lieutenant is no more.  --Andrew Norman 08:52, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, the article needs rewording in that area, I agree. There is more to identity than ceremonial county boundaries though. There are all sorts of different bodies that use a multitude of different names — Avon is still an official postal county and although the Royal Mail has officially stopped using them, they still crop up on products based on their PAF data. There are bodies such as Avon fire brigade, &c that still use the name. In the case of Lord Lieutenants, sanity has prevailed in this instance, but there are still Lord Lieutenants of "Merseyside", "Tyne & Wear" &c that re-inforce those artificial creations. A universal acceptance of traditional counties as the standard geographic framework would solve most of these identity problems. Owain 10:05, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, I've removed that paragraph. Wikipedia standards being that if you say "some people say X", you have to say who is saying X and give a reference, I can't see any justification for it being there.  The whole "ceremonial county" thing leaves me cold, it has no effect on the way people actually live their lives, and although I'm in a minority I think Avon should have stayed (the people who were grumbling in 1980 that Avon was far too Bristol-centric are now moaning that North Somerset council spends too much on Weston-Super-Mare).  --Andrew Norman 12:01, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Heh! Well the whole rationale for changing local government in 1974 was for efficiency. I've got no problems with Avon existing as a local government area, so long as people disassociate local government areas with county boundaries. If map makers and the media &c hadn't made everyone think that their counties were being changed then there wouldn't have been so much hostility. Even the title of this article implies that county boundaries and names have been changed, when of course, they haven't! Owain 12:13, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I think Avon was a prime example of the confusion brought by chopping and changing for petty administrative reasons. If the USA followed the same "logic" they would merge the smaller states and/or divide the larger ones and transfer various cities between states. Eg California and Texas may be divided up and the small states of New England merged together. Indeed if one were to divide England up again from scratch by such trivial criteria as which were better shopping towns or what cities were closer it would no doubt result in a totally different division. Booshank (talk) 16:49, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Tale of two Kingswoods
Can editors of this article please note that Kingswood, Gloucestershire and Kingswood, South Gloucestershire are separate places, and have rather different sizes - but I have friends I'd like to keep in both places :-) Linuxlad 10:27, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Gloucestershire - the bits which did, or didn't, get away
Active antipathy to being included in Avon was not confined to Somerset of course. It's my understanding that, originally the whole of Thornbury RDC was due to go in to Avon, but that the area around Berkeley (including the castle and the estate lands) was excluded, after well-organised lobbying.

_It is said_ that the Beaufort estate around Badminton also wished to stay in Gloucestershire, but were hampered by the fact that the next parish north was happy to be transferred. Linuxlad
 * That being said, all these places *remained in Gloucestershire* after 1974, but they were administered by Avon. How's that for pedantry? :) Owain 08:47, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Demise - a plea
Lets not overstate the case against Avon. Many of us recognised it as an eminently sensible creation, and since its demise there have, arguably, been significant problems with strategic planning over the old 'Avon' area. Much of the case against it was carefully crafted from one side of the political spectrum, using a local paper to fuel Little Bristolism in people who should have known better. People in say Filton and Patchway North arguably only benefitted from Avon's creation in terms of council services.Linuxlad 11:22, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Reasons for creation
Hampton, W. Local Goverment and Urban Politics (1991) notes that Avon and Humberside were created (partly) because of expected increases in populations which did not happen. MRSC 14:16, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Later :-) Well whilst that is famously true of the Humber bridge, I doubt it really applies to Avon - Yate, Thornbury and Bradley Stoke in the North Bristol Fringe all increased significantly in size, which is why the parliamentary boundary has systematically been shifting north. Linuxlad (talk) 12:26, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * My recollection from the time was the claim it was created for political reasons - adding enough Tory areas to turn Labour Bristol into a Tory county! I think that was widely believed, but don't know if it was a truthful view! Didn't really work anyway. Rwendland (talk) 17:26, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * True - this may shed some light on the politics of it all. Ghmyrtle (talk) 18:05, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation
Can anybody add the correct pronunciation? Is it the beginning as in "aim"/"April" or as in "ampersand"/"ask"? User:Sobreira —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.60.64.252 (talk) 18:39, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Long "a" as in "April" - although ultimately it derives from the Welsh "afan" ("river"), which has a short "a". Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:03, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The article gives both at the moment. However, I'd always understood it to be, not with a schwa as given. -- Smjg (talk) 02:28, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The correct pronunciation is always with the long A, so I've removed the incorrect version. This is despite the fact that the river name ultimately derives from the Welsh word which is now pronounced with a short A.  (I used to work for Avon CC, btw.)  Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:50, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

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Revolver (disambiguation)

A revolver is a type of firearm.

Revolver may also refer to:

Film and television

 * Revolver (1973 film), an Italian film directed by Sergio Sollima
 * Revolver (1992 film), a television film featuring Robert Urich
 * Revolver (2005 film), a British film directed by Guy Ritchie
 * Revolver Entertainment, a UK film distributor
 * Revolver (TV series), a 1978 British music series presented by Peter Cook
 * Revolver (2001 TV series), a British TV comedy sketch show featuring John Inman

Literature

 * Revolver (DC Comics), a 2010 graphic novel published by DC Vertigo
 * Revolver (Fleetway comics), a 1990–1991 British comic
 * Revolver (magazine), a rock music publication
 * Revolver (novel), a 2009 young adult novel by Marcus Sedgwick
 * "The Revolver", an 1895 short story by Emilia Pardo Bazán
 * Revolver, a 1985–1986 Renegade Press comic pencilled by Steve Ditko
 * RevolveЯ Quarterly, a comic and website by Salgood Sam

Groups and labels

 * Revolver (British band), a 1990–1994 guitar group
 * Revolver (French band), a pop rock band formed in 2006
 * Revolver Music, a British record label
 * Revolution Records (Canada), issued recordings as "Revolver".

Albums

 * Revolver (Beatles album), 1966
 * Revolver (The Haunted album), 2004
 * Revolver (T-Pain album), 2011
 * Revolver (EP), a comedy album by Lewis Black, 2002

Songs

 * "Revolver" (song), by Madonna featuring Lil Wayne, 2009
 * "Revolver", by the Donnas from Gold Medal, 2004
 * "Revolver", by Hooverphonic from A New Stereophonic Sound Spectacular, 1996
 * "Revolver", by Rage Against the Machine from Evil Empire, 1996
 * "Revolver", by Usher from Here I Stand, 2008
 * "Revolver", by Warehouse Republic, with a video featuring Rachel Hurd-Wood, 2010

Other uses

 * Revolver (Ferris wheel) or Wheel of Dublin, formerly in Dublin, Ireland
 * Revolver Gallery, an art gallery in Los Angeles, California, US
 * Revolver Island, Antarctica
 * Nord 2.231 to 2.305, nicknamed "Revolver", a series of French steam locomotives

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