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User:Alex Bakharev

Hi, I was born in Saint-Petersburg Russia, lived and worked there for the best half of my life, then worked in the USA at the UIUC. I then moved to Australia to work for Moldflow (currently Autodesk Moldflow). I am earning my living as a plastic engineer but interested in aspects of human culture and God's wisdom. If you understand Russian language you can read my livejournal at http://www.livejournal.com/users/zanuda. Or on IRC as Alex Bakharev/abakharev.

I am an admin on English Wikipedia, if you want me to be recalled here is the instruction how to do it in four easy steps.

Distribution of Elephants and Materialization of Ghosts
In the best Soviet Traditions, let me celebrate the New Year by awarding barnstars for the best contributions during the last few months:
 * User:Ghirlandajo gets St. Vladimir Barnstar with diamonds in recognition of his leadership on Portal:Russia project and his articles on Medieval Russia.
 * User:Irpen gets the WikiDefender Barnstar for his heroic work protecting Wikipedia from the Bad Faith Edits and Vandalism.
 * User:Punkmorten gets the Gold Run Barnstar for his articles on Russian and Soviet athletes.
 * User:Camerafiend gets the Rotating Barnstar for his articles on Moscow Metro
 * User:Vald gets the Exceptional Newcomer Award for his articles on Russian poets and translations of Russian poetry into English
 * I also recieved a barnstar from User:Ghirlandajo on the Catholic Christmas Day. I am really proud of it and hope to live up to this award.

The next awarding ceremony would be at some other Soviet holiday, probably the March 8 abakharev 07:39, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

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 * User:Kmorozov gets the Epic barnstar for his fine articles devoted to the History of Russia, particularly Anna of Kashin and List of Russian commanders in the Patriotic War of 1812;
 * User:Mllefifi gets the Barnstar of High Culture for his fine articles devoted to the Russian music. abakharev 14:33, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

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User:Khoikhoi got Order of Friendship of Peoples, as per statute, "for accomplishments in strengthening of inter-ethnic and international friendship and cooperation". It was a relatively minor Order in the Soviet Union, but I regard it as one of the highest awards on Wikipedia

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May 9 is the Victory Day in Russia so I distributed awards to the users involved into the Great Patriotic War. I also took the occasion to award peaceful people, who greatly contributed to Russian and Ukrainian topics: Thanks to everybody.
 * Order of Victory is awarded to User:Andreas1968, User:Balcer, User:Brandmeister, User:Grafikm fr, User:Mzajac and User:Fisenko;
 * Barnstar of national merit (Ukraine) is awarded to User:DDima
 * Hero of the Russian Federation barnstar is awarded to User:Ahasuerus, User:Calgacus, User:Ezhiki and User:KNewman
 * Oddball barnstar is awarded to User:Moonshiner for the article Alexander Nevsky Cathedral, Warsaw. We need more of your contributions.
 * Exceptional newcomer is awarded to User:Afghanets and User:Serhiy. You have a great start.

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 * Hero of the Russian Federation barnstar is awarded to User:Meladina for the extraordinary contributions to the article on Russian music
 * Exceptional newcomer is awarded to User:Fisss for his articles on Saint-Petersburg and Moscow landmarks and to User:Mbuk for the Kiev tram article.

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The next series of awards is to celebrate my own birthday, that is a fine Soviet tradition as well.
 * Hero of the Soviet Union is awarded to User:Kuban kazak for his articles on metros all around the Soviet Union
 * Hero of Ukraine is awarded to User:Tufkaa for his articles on the history and culture of Ukraine
 * Hero of the Russian Federation goes to User:Eliweinerman for his fine articles on Malinovsky, Yakir and Vatutin, to User:Rune X2 for his balanced articles on the Beslan tragedy and to User:Kocoum for Chechnya
 * The exceptional newcomer goes to User:Canwolf and to User:Blacklake

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This time the New Year comes earlier as I intend to take a break. The national decorations seem to be too controversial, so now I am distributing only barnstars:
 * The Original barnstars goes to User:Qp10qp for Anton Chekhov,User:Beit Or for Rus' Khaganate, User:Hillock65 for Battle of Konotop, User:Timvasquez for the airports, User:Wikiolap for the Saint-Petersburg articles, User:Untifler for the Tatar history and culture, User:Ineffable3000 for his numerous contributions to the Russia related articles, User:Darwinek for the Russian towns.
 * The exceptional newcomer goes to User:Biophys and User:Planemo

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Lets celebrate one year of my mop: It looks like it was an infinite time ago. I am sure I forgot somebody who truly deserved a barnstar, may add it later or another day. Alex Bakharev 12:09, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The Original barnstars goes to User:Colchicum for his great contributions to the History of 21st century Russia, User:Mhym and User:Errabee for their persistent work on Russian articles, User:Bookworm857158367 for his work on the Romanov family and their friends and User:Yury Tarasievich for his Belarus-related articles.

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Lets celebrate the Holidays. Christmas (Gregorian and Julian), New Year, Hanukkah, Winter Solstice, Kwanzaa - whatever is applicable:
 * The Defender of the Wiki barnstar goes to User:Giano II, National merit barnstar goes to User:Steveshelokhonov, User:Mcpaul1998, User:Miyokan and User:Mohonu. The Barnstar of Life goes to User:Notafly Alex Bakharev (talk) 10:21, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

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User:Russavia receives the original barnstar for commons:Template:Kremlin.ru. It is a real victory over the joint forces of WMF's and Russian Presidential bureaucracy! Alex Bakharev (talk) 02:15, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

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User:Slim Virgin receives the Protector of Wiki barnstar for her work of making Wikipedia the cleaner workplace for everyone Alex Bakharev (talk) 00:36, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

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User:Mosedschurte receives the Epic barnstar for his redesigning of Joseph Stalin article Alex Bakharev (talk) 12:40, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Bots

 * User:AlexNewArtBot - trial runs

Culture, mythology and history

 * Pavel Filonov
 * Feofan Grek
 * ru:Феофан Грек
 * Zinaida Serebryakova
 * ru:Серебрякова, Зинаида Евгеньевна
 * Alexei Kondratyevich Savrasov
 * Viktor Vasnetsov
 * Léon Bakst
 * ru:Бакст, Леон Самойлович
 * Boris Kustodiev
 * Alkonost
 * Sirin
 * William Rickett
 * Fedor Rokotov
 * Dmitry Levitzky
 * Andrei Ryabushkin
 * Simon Ushakov
 * Ivan Andreyevich Tolstoy
 * Maria Miloslavskaya
 * Cherkassk
 * Nikolai Gumilev
 * Cherubina de Gabriak
 * Samuil Marshak
 * Georgy Tovstonogov
 * Lev Dodin
 * Robert Falk
 * Jack of Diamonds (artists)
 * Donkey's Tail
 * Sasha Cherny
 * Vladimir Borovikovsky
 * Innokenty Annensky
 * Feodor Vasilyev
 * Sergey Muravyov-Apostol
 * Mikhail Bestuzhev-Ryumin
 * Peter Kakhovsky
 * Alfred Felton
 * Pavel Florensky
 * Ekaterina Peshkova
 * Sergei Bulgakov
 * Durnovo
 * Shilov
 * Alexander Ivanovich Shilov
 * Alexander Maxovich Shilov
 * Konstantin Yuon
 * Prince Sviatopolk-Mirskii, Dmitry Ivanovitch Sviatopolk-Mirskii, Nikolai Ivanovitch Sviatopolk-Mirskii
 * Bella Rosenfeld
 * Aristarkh Lentulov
 * Pyotr Konchalovsky
 * Nikolai Gastello
 * Pyotr Nesterov
 * Nadezhda Udaltsova,Olga Rozanova
 * Orest Kiprensky
 * Konstantin Bogaevsky
 * Sergey Nikitin
 * Tatyana Nikitina
 * Arseny Tarkovsky
 * Pavel Korin
 * Leonid Pasternak
 * Konstantin Korovin
 * Pyotr Yershov
 * Bulldozer Exhibition
 * Victor Borisov-Musatov
 * Maslenitsa
 * Mikhail Devyataev
 * Slava Polunin
 * Alexander Nevsky Cathedral, Warsaw
 * Anna Golubkina
 * Nabokov House
 * Gevorkyan v. Moshkov
 * Alexander Bryantsev
 * Imiaslavie
 * Alexander Bulatovich
 * Mikhail Slonimsky
 * Anton Losenko
 * Alexei Antropov
 * Yakov Kolokolnikov-Voronin
 * Vadim Delaunay
 * Yury Vlasov
 * Vera Panova
 * Pahlen family, Fyodor Petrovich Pahlen
 * Vassily Maximov
 * Yevgeny Charushin
 * Arkady Rylov
 * Nikolay Karazin
 * Alexander Osmerkin
 * Zemgor
 * Vasily Andreevich Tropinin
 * Pyotr Nilus
 * Ivan Argunov
 * Pyotr Potemkin
 * Alexandre Jacovleff
 * Leonard Turzhansky
 * Grigory Gagarin
 * Pyotr Zakharov-Chechenets
 * Valentin Gaft
 * Mikhail Khmelko
 * Enn Vetemaa
 * Karl Bulla
 * Yury Artsybushev
 * Fedor Raskolnikov
 * Konstantin Ushinsky
 * Clodt von Jürgensburg, Mikhail Konstantinovich Clodt
 * Kunta-haji
 * Wang Yi Guang
 * Timeline of the Great Purge
 * Soviet Census (1937)
 * Karol Radziwonowicz
 * Jarosław Drozd
 * Alexander Polovtsov
 * Stroganov Moscow State University of Arts and Industry
 * Yegor Chekryakovsky
 * Nikolay Motovilov
 * Serafimo-Diveevsky Monastery
 * Pavel Jacobi
 * Valery Jacobi
 * Dmitry Kustanovich
 * Nikolay Sauerweid
 * Soviet Bureau
 * Aaron Soltz
 * Mikhail Mikhalkov
 * Tovstonogov Theater
 * Blank family
 * Elisabeth Bohm
 * Guram Dolenjashvili
 * Janusz Leon Wiśniewski
 * Vitebsk Museum of Modern Art
 * Yevgeny Ukhnalyov
 * Lev Yashin Club
 * For Enforcing Peace
 * Olga Vasiliyevna Lepeshinskaya
 * Vladimir Pavlovich Efroimson
 * Sergey Degayev
 * Mikhail Gendelev
 * Irakly Andronikov

Science and technology

 * Kelvin material
 * Maxwell material
 * Carreau fluid
 * Cross fluid
 * Second order fluid
 * First-Order Fluid
 * Generalized Newtonian fluids
 * PVT (physics)
 * Specific volume
 * Simple shear
 * Viscoelasticity
 * Invariants of tensors
 * Symmetric tensor
 * Temperature dependence of liquid viscosity
 * Shear rate
 * Stokes flow
 * Viscosity
 * Finite Deformation Tensors
 * Neo-Hookean solid
 * Mooney-Rivlin solid
 * Wagner model
 * Brewster
 * Upper convected time derivative
 * Upper Convected Maxwell
 * Halpin-Tsai model
 * Russian floating nuclear power station
 * Ayaks
 * Palierne equation

Scientists and Engineers

 * Sergei Vasiljevich Lebedev
 * Henri Tresca
 * Pierre Carreau
 * Category:Polymer personalities (moved to Category:Polymer scientists and engineers)
 * Ivan Knunyants
 * Louis Vicat
 * ru:Семенов, Николай Николаевич
 * Nikolay Nikolayevich Semyonov
 * Ronald Rivlin
 * Alexander Nikolayevich Lodygin
 * Igor Ansoff
 * Kryakutnoy
 * Ivan Polzunov
 * Alexei Krylov
 * Vladimir Yourkevitch
 * Nikolay Umov
 * Igor Spassky
 * Rubin Design Bureau
 * Manfred Wagner
 * Ilya Ivanovich Ivanov (biologist)
 * Mikhail Molodenskii
 * Alexandre Kirillov
 * Alexander Kirillov Jnr
 * Vladimir Shukhov
 * Mstislav Keldysh
 * Alexander Gelfond
 * Alexander Hrennikoff
 * Fyodor Pirotsky
 * Anatoly Vlasov
 * Igor Gorynin
 * Dmitry Chernov
 * Dieter Weichert
 * Ludwig Martens
 * Dirk Willem van Krevelen

Places

 * ru:Австралия
 * Saint Petersburg State Institute of Technology
 * Toksovo
 * Stary Krym
 * Novodevichy Cemetery (Saint Petersburg)
 * Trinity Church, Antarctica
 * Velyki Sorochyntsi
 * Saint Petersburg Polytechnical University
 * Safonovo, Smolensk Oblast
 * Chukhloma
 * Pevchesky Bridge
 * Red Bridge
 * Gerasimovka
 * Kresty Prison
 * Caladenia sp. aff. venusta

Politics

 * Anatoly Sobchak
 * FAPSI
 * Alexander Lebedev
 * Vasily Aleksanyan
 * Fairness of Russian presidential election, 2008 (split from Russian presidential election, 2008
 * State Prize of the Russian Federation
 * Vladimir Putin's Second Cabinet
 * Igor Shuvalov
 * Vladimir Kvachkov
 * Vladislav Reznik
 * Evgeny Chichvarkin
 * Tikhon (Shevkunov)

Lists

 * List of schools in Victoria, Australia according to 2005 VCE results
 * List of Russian billionaires

Wkipolicies

 * Naming conventions/Ethno-cultural labels in biographies

Web sites
the receiving side of the AfD.
 * CFD-Wiki - was deleted as not notable. Now I felt like to be on

Transferred to Wiki from other GFDL and PD sources, copyedited and wikified:
From CFD-Wiki: From the Brockhaus and Efron Encyclopedic Dictionary:
 * Jacobi method
 * Gauss-Seidel method
 * Generic scalar transport equation
 * Tridiagonal matrix algorithm
 * Successive Over Relaxation
 * Stone method
 * ru:Ефрем Сирин

Culture

 * Vasily Surikov
 * Andrei Rublev
 * ru:Суриков, Василий Иванович
 * Napoleon
 * ru:Саврасов, Алексей Кондратьевич
 * Ilya Yefimovich Repin
 * Mikhail Vrubel
 * Frederick McCubbin
 * Gorokhovets
 * Preobrazhensky regiment
 * ru:Ушаков, Симон Фёдорович
 * Natalia Gontcharova
 * Mikhail Larionov
 * Ivan Barkov
 * Korney Chukovsky
 * Order of St.Vladimir
 * Serge Sudeikin
 * Mstyora miniature
 * Pyotr Dmitrievich Sviatopolk-Mirskii, D.S. Mirsky
 * Anatoly Rybakov
 * Lev Rudnev
 * Benedikt Livshits
 * Alexey Venetsianov
 * Ivan Kalyayev
 * Yakov Kolokolnikov-Voronin
 * Evgeny Rukhin
 * Anton Ivanov
 * Oleg Pantyukhov
 * Gerasim Lebedev
 * Vasily Zavoyko
 * Vasily Vasilievich Andreyev
 * Mark Voynovich

Science and technology

 * Plastic
 * Non-Newtonian fluid
 * Power-law fluid
 * ru:Реология
 * ru:Физика сплошных сред
 * History of calculus
 * The 72 names on the Eiffel Tower
 * Finite difference

Places

 * Ringwood, Victoria
 * Mount Dandenong, Victoria
 * Category:Russian people in the United States

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Talk:Dixon, Illinois

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Cleanup
Wikipedia is not a place for personal discussion of one's hometown. Edits should be factual to the exclusion of all other data, and never signed. In light of this, the section on flavour is not in the correct style. Falcon 03:35, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I corrected some factually inaccurate portions of the local flavor section, in addition to removing some anecdotes that were questionable or inadequately explained. ChelleRae 30 June 2005 05:43 (UTC)

Added founder, and the link to Dixons ferry after page creation Rattis irrittis 16:46, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Rita Crundwell
Google News presently has 262 results from newspapers and other news sources regarding this person, who has long been the town comptroller, and a nationally known horse breeder and exhibitor. Providing an adequate explanation of the recent charges would tend to unbalance the article. The present one sentence is too little coverage of what may be a major financial issue for the city over the past 20 years. The story should probably be presented in summary form in this article as a separate section, or should be covered more fully in a separate article, while fully complying with WP:BLP, the policy on articles about living persons. Edison (talk) 20:09, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I have created a separate article about her, Rita Crundwell. Edison (talk) 22:40, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

President's Park
An illustration is captioned referring to President's Park, but the text only has a (long) discussion of Veteran's Park.Kdammers (talk) 05:56, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

First person
Much of the text is told in the frist person ("our"), which is not appropriate for Wikipedia. Kdammers (talk) 05:56, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

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Interesting how there is no mention whatsoever of James Byrd. Most of the nation had not even heard of this town until the gruesome account of what happened to Mr. Byrd came to light. I know that every community likes to put themselves in the best light possible, but this is ridiculous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.27.203.124 (talk) 22:42, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

New Black Panther Party
Quoting from the National Geographic Channel programme "Inside the New Black Panther Party" : "The New Black Panther Party made national news in June 1998 when 50 members marched into the troubled town of Jasper, Texas. They were there to protest the brutal of James, Byrd, a black man dragged to death behind a pickup-truck by three white supremacists. The Panthers patrolled the streets with guns drawn, thrusting themselves into the national spotlight."

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joi Ito

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was keep. Sjakkalle (Check!)  14:57, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Joi Ito

 * Delete Vanity Page --70.19.111.5 03:37, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep He seems pretty notable and note that this page was started by Jimbo Wales Himself... can you really argue with him? Sasquatch′↔Talk↔Contributions 04:02, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Userfy ... and only because Jimbo Wales was involved... otherwise, it needs MAJOR edits --Bloghate 05:10, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Joichi Ito is a major figure in the recent history of Internet technologies, particularly in Japan. Through his writing, networking, and advocacy, he's fueled a great number of notable social and software inventions. JustinHall 06:03, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Seems notable enough to me since Ive heard of him quite a bit and I am by no means very technology/business oriented. Needs cleanup though. -CunningLinguist 07:29, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and delist. VfD vandalism by IP address 70.19.111.5 who is working hand in glove with User:Bloghate.   —RaD Man (talk) 08:16, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep per given reasons. Mgm|(talk) 09:47, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, notable. But I'm not convinced that this is vandalism, and please don't remove VFD notices. Radiant_ >|< 10:54, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep looks plenty notable to me, regardless of original creator. -- Jonel 16:09, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable person, is even listed amongst other famous people/Wikipedians.--Kross 17:58, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and note that this VfD was started by an anonymous user Him(or Her)self... can you really believe him or her? jglc | t | c 20:11, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * keep please he seems famous Yuckfoo 21:10, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Abstain Would be vain to vote to keep. ;-) --Joi 23:53, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. James F. (talk) 23:55, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. In fact, I don't really care. I'm not sure the policy of keeping, deleting makes a lot of sense. If it's really an issue for the wikipedians, why not creating a people.wikipedia.org accepting every _individual_ who's not opposed to be on it. http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:KarlDubost
 * Keep And look into a way to prevent Vfd (a useful feature) from being used for time-wasting trollery like this. If this were a serious attempt to cull non-wiki-worthy bloggers, it wouldn't have started with notables like Joi, Anil, and Hoder. Betsy Devine
 * Keep. Ted
 * Keep Joi is at least important enough to have articles written about him in magazines and newspapers. It would seem to be good to have him included on Wikipedia incase anybody ever reads about him and thinks to look here for more information. Grant
 * Comment: A troll listing by an IP. Why wasn't this simply removed at once? Dan100 (Talk) 08:19, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

 * Because we assume good WP:FAITH and consider the possibility that the nominator was simply mistaken, rather than trolling. Xe made about eight nominations, several of which made perfect sense. This one, less so, hence consensus to keep. Radiant_ >|< 08:54, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep I'm with Betsy Devine; the attempt to go after some of the best known and most influential early bloggers seems to indicate an anti-blog jihad, not a genuine concern for the quality of wikipedia. Mamamusings 19:05, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Joi is worthy of a Wikipedia entry --NikCubrilovic 03:20, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, as above. --Andy M. 10:48, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Joi plays a prominent role in a wide variety of political, technological, and financial spheres. There's no way his entry should be deleted. -- AKMA
 * Keep I came here to look up information about Joi, and I am puzzled as to how such an influential member of the digerati could be put up for deletion. In order to regard Joi as too unimportant to keep, you would have to delete most of the blogosphere, which is apparently what the anonymous coward was trying to do. -- Skyfaller 03:40, 2005 Jun 17 (UTC)
 * Keep seems an interesting fellow - Aaronbrick 04:39, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Joi is a notable person. - ioerror Sun Jun 19 23:37:06 PDT 2005
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USS Isherwood (DD-284)

USS Isherwood (DD-284) was a Clemson-class destroyer in service with the United States Navy from 1919 to 1930. She was scrapped in 1931.

History
Isherwood was named for Rear Admiral Benjamin F. Isherwood. She was launched on 10 September 1919 by the Bethlehem Shipbuilding Corporation, Squantum, Massachusetts; sponsored by Mrs. R. C. Walling; and commissioned on 4 December 1919 at the Boston Navy Yard.

Deployments
As a unit of the 43d Division, 1st Squadron, Destroyer Force, Atlantic Fleet, Isherwood conducted shakedown out of Boston until 26 January 1920 when she sailed for Cuba via Newport, Rhode Island. Arriving Guantanamo Bay 3 February she remained there engaging in target practice and drills until departing 26 April, escorting the battleship USS Pennsylvania (BB-38) to receive the Secretary of the Navy at Lynnhaven Roads, Virginia. Following this assignment, Isherwood proceeded to Mexico for patrol duty on the Mexican coast until 21 June when she arrived in Boston for repairs. She sailed 21 October for Charleston, South Carolina to join the Destroyers in Reserve.

Reserve status
Isherwood stayed in reserve status until 10 May 1921 when, with 50 percent complement, she sailed to the Boston Navy Yard, where she joined the Destroyer Force. Operating with reduced complement, she transported Naval Reservists between Boston and Newport and engaged in target practice until 4 August. Following repairs at the Boston Navy Yard (13 March – 8 May 1922), Isherwood joined Destroyer Squadron 9 at Philadelphia and proceeded to Yorktown, Virginia, for exercises with the Fleet. She maneuvered in the area until 3 January 1923 when she rendezvoused with the Scouting Fleet Destroyers for training in the Caribbean; at Beaufort, North Carolina; and at Baltimore, Maryland. She continued her readiness operations in the Caribbean until 28 March 1925.

On 7 May 1925, Isherwood, arrived Boston for a Naval Reserve cruise from Maine to the District of Columbia. She rejoined her squadron at Newport 31 August, and arrived at Guantanamo 24 September for maneuvers in the Caribbean. Having completed exercises with the Fleet, Isherwood arrived in Portsmouth, Virginia, 13 April, and departed 12 June for France via Newport and the Azores. Isherwood arrived St. Nazaire 29 June; she then conducted a good will cruise to various British and Mediterranean ports.

After her arrival in Boston 15 July 1927, Isherwood resumed her schedule of reservist training cruises and fleet maneuvers in the Caribbean until June 1929.

Decommissioning
From Jacksonville, Florida, she received Naval Reservists for a summer cruise (Maine to Massachusetts) 29 June, and following their disembarkation 20 July, she underwent repairs at Newport and overhaul at Norfolk. USS Kalmia (AT-23) towed her from Norfolk to the Philadelphia Navy Yard 26 August, and she decommissioned there 1 May 1930. She was sold 17 January 1931, and scrapped in 1934 by her purchasers.

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Skeksis

The Skeksis are a fictional species that serves as the main antagonists in the 1982 film The Dark Crystal and its related franchise. The word "Skeksis" serves as both singular and plural form for this species, with the singular being pronounced and the plural. They are described by concept artist Brian Froud as, "part reptile, part predatory bird, part dragon". The Skeksis are represented by puppets engineered under the direction of Jim Henson. Jim Henson said that in the development of the Skeksis, the creators drew inspiration from the seven deadly sins.

Concept and creation
Jim Henson was inspired to design the Skeksis by an illustrated edition of a Lewis Carroll poem showing two elegantly dressed crocodiles in a bathroom. He became intrigued with the idea of a reptilian race assuming control over a formerly splendid past society, and developed the Skeksis with the concept that they represented the darker side of human nature. Numerous names were proposed for the species, including Skekses, Reptus, Karackt and Skek-sis.

Henson himself commented on the difficulty of performing as a Skeksis: There were days I could work 'inside' my Skeksis character, the High Priest (Ritual-Master), without noticing the weight. But if I was feeling the least bit tired or run down, it was as if a building had caved in on me.

Conceptual designer Brian Froud designed the Skeksis as looking like "part reptile, part predatory bird, [and] part dragon," with a "penetrating stare."

The design of the Skeksis' robes was supervised by British artist and painter Sarah Bradpiece. The robes were fabricated with expensive materials (silks, furs, velvet, etc.) and exotic feathers, and decorated in jewels made from melted toy soldiers; skekTek the Scientist's bionic eye was made from a die-cast TIE fighter model's cockpit. To give the Skeksis their grubby appearance, the robes were then ripped and stained with fake dirt and paint. According to Froud, the robes were meant to reflect the Skeksis' unique personalities and functions within the castle.

Performance
Each Skeksis puppet was controlled in the original film by as many as six puppeteers. The main puppeteer, wearing a heavy, robe-covered costume with a puppet head, would be assisted by a second performer operating the creature's right hand from inside the costume, and a team of four technicians in charge of its facial features. For wide shots of the Skeksis walking or running, actors of short stature were sometimes used as doubles. skekSil the Chamberlain's puppet, operated primarily by Frank Oz, was built with over 20 mechanical components.

Similar to Big Bird of Sesame Street, the lead puppeteer inside the Skeksis costume would wear a television monitor around their waist to gain a better sense of vision. The Skeksis hands were operated using a handheld trigger device that controlled the flexible rods serving as its fingers.

For Age of Resistance, the technical crew devised simpler ways to puppeteer the creatures, including the Skeksis. For wide shots of the Chamberlain, for example, his head was placed on a mechanical neck. This reduced the need for several performers and allowed the numerous animatronics in his head to be controlled from offscreen.

Appearance
The Skeksis are tall bipeds, possessing both avian and reptilian features. They dress in elaborate (but threadbare) garments and robes of lace, velvet, and brocade to conceal their frail, rotting bodies while also appearing large and more intimidating. Their heads are beaked and vulturine in form, while also sporting sharp teeth (some Skeksis have more or less teeth than others). Their gluttony gives them enlarged bellies, and they have long, lizard-like tails, as well as curved quills on their backs. Despite possessing four arms, like their urRu counterparts, the Skeksis have only one functional pair as the other has become vestigial. This second pair of arms were, initially, wing-like before eventually withering and atrophying; however, skekMal is one of the few Skeksis to utilize these extra arms in The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance.

Despite their frail appearance, Skeksis are physically powerful, as skekUng mustered his strength to cut through solid stone during the 'Trial by Stone' duel, while a provoked skekSil single-handedly slammed pilaster rock onto protagonist Jen.

Society
The Skeksis are the corrupt rulers of the planet Thra, having inherited it from their benevolent urSkek predecessors, and embody the knowledgeable, yet unrestrained aspects of the urSkeks' behavior. The Skeksis culture favors repetitive flamboyance, emotional pettiness, and a wasteful attitude toward life. Though they are capable of alliances, each acts only of self-preservation to the point of immediate betrayals to benefit their personal agenda. Despite their few numbers, the Skeksis form shifting political parties that stabilize the Skeksis society despite some causing friction among them, especially if the Emperor greatly favours one party over the others.

Before the events of Age of Resistance, the Skeksis were divided into the Imperial Allegiance (skekSo, skekSil, skekTek) which oversee their race's continuation, the Tithing Allegiance (skekLach, skekOk, skekEkt) who collect tributes from the Gelfling clans, and the Security Allegiance (skekVar, skekAyuk, skekZok) who command the Gelfling castle guards. But following the Garthim War and before events of the movie, the Skeksis reorganized themselves into the Diplomatic Allegiance (skekSil, skekOk, skekEkt) who maintain the castle to the Emperor's liking, The Religious Allegiance (skekZok, skekShod, skekAyuk) who oversee daily routines, and Military Allegiance (skekUng, skekTek, skekNa) who oversee the Garthim soldiers.

Due to the accelerated decomposition of their bodies, the Skeksis constantly attempt to prolong their lives by using the properties of the Dark Crystal itself. Their primary method is absorbing sunlight channeled through the Dark Crystal, its potency dependent on Thra's three suns. Another method is a form of acupuncture, in which power lines laid on their castle channels the planet's energy to them and feeds back noxious pulses, resulting in their kingdom's wasteland appearance. A third method is extracting the vitality from other life forms by exposing them to reflected beams from the Dark Crystal, a process that originally destroys the victims before it was refined enough to reduce them into nearly mindless drones which the Skeksis keep as slaves. The life force is collected in a liquid form that restores a Skeksis' youth and vitality, the Emperor eventually making law that only he can partake of it. Gelfling were originally used for this purpose until their near extinction forced the Skeksis to use Podlings instead, with the youth-inducing effects of the resulting elixir created from their life force lasting for a few seconds.

The Skeksis created the Garthim through grafting corpses of Arathim and Gruenak which are then animated by the Dark Crystal. Upon the discovery of a Gelfling prophecy which foretold the end of their power, the Skeksis used the Garthim to exterminate almost every single Gelfling on Thra, until only two, Jen and Kira, survived, to be raised by urSu the Mystic Master and the Podlings, respectively. They also bred the sentinel Crystal Bats, which were used as "eyes in the sky", scavenging above the landscape, and working closely with the Garthim, to locate potential targets.

Language
Originally, Jim Henson thought of having the Skeksis communicate through noises, though he later shot the film showing the Skeksis speaking a constructed language, based on Ancient Greek and Egyptian, devised by the author Alan Garner. The dialogue was later redubbed in English, as the original version proved unsuccessful in impressing test audiences. The original language is present in The World of the Dark Crystal and The Dark Crystal novelization, wherein (according to the former) it is "restricted to nouns, adjectives, and expletives", and has an object–verb–subject word order.

History
The products of a botched attempt by the urSkeks to purge themselves of their imperfections while returning to their homeworld during a Great Conjunction, an event where the three suns of Thra produce a pure light that hits the Crystal, the Skeksis are the embodiments of their original selves' worst inhibitions compared to their urRu counterparts. Moments after coming into being, two of their own were accidentally killed, and infighting among the surviving Skeksis resulted in a Shard of the Crystal being broken off and lost. The urRu then left the Castle to the Skeksis, who began to modify the urSkeks' architecture with their own grotesque designs while attempting to create their own Crystal. The black rocks they created were reused as targets for the "Haakskeekah" rite, translated as "Trial by Stone", in which the loser is stripped of his position. The Skeksis have other means of punishment among their kin that include being maimed by an eye-gouging Peeper beetle.

According to The World of The Dark Crystal and The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance series, possessing urSkeks' knowledge but lacking their restraint, the Skeksis were initially a vibrant and jovial race as they tricked Aughra into a deep sleep to metaphysically observe the universe. Unopposed, they ruled Thra over a thousand years and kept the Gelfling tribes divided while presenting themselves as their lords and protectors. But the dynamic changed as the Skeksis aged into haggard shells of their former selves as the Dark Crystal is unable to properly prolong their lives due to its connection to Thra, causing an epidemic called the Darkening that affects the planet's lifeforms. skekTek, with skekSil's help, developed a means to polarize the Dark Crystal's life-giving properties to extract life essence from Thra and its life forms to prolong their own lives. When the Gelfling learned of this and rebelled, they devised a prophecy revealing that one of them would end the rule of the Skeksis by restoring the broken Shard to the Crystal with the restoration of the urSkeks as consequence. When the Skeksis learned of this, they attempted to deter the Gelflings with Shard fabrications before using the newly created Garthim to wipe out the entire Gelfling race.

At the start of the film, skekUng succeeded skekSo as Emperor with only nine Skeksis remaining before skekTek was killed. Toward the end, protagonists Jen and Kira reunite them with the urRu to recreate the urSkeks who depart Thra.

skekSo
Also known as the Emperor and the counterpart to the urRu urSu the Master, skekSo is described in The World of The Dark Crystal as originally being an energetic ruler who enjoyed lavish festivity and winning at sporting events but age made him paranoid and spiteful to even his fellow Skeksis, elevating individuals to high positions only to depose them afterward. SkekSo appears as the main antagonist of The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance, which chronologically precedes the 1982 film, where he attempts to harness and control the energy of the Darkening, which causes his body to corrode at a quicker pace compared to the other Skeksis, leading to his eventual death shown in the original film's beginning. Once skekSo died, due to urSu willing himself to death to disrupt the Skeksis' hierarchy to give Jen a fighting chance against them, skekUng succeeded him as Emperor. In the film's deleted scenes, skekSo's decayed remains are cremated. He also has an appearance in Legends of the Dark Crystal.

In the film, he is performed by Jim Henson and voiced by Jerry Nelson. In The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance, skekSo is performed by Dave Chapman and voiced by Jason Isaacs.

skekSil
Also known as the Chamberlain, the counterpart to the urRu urSol the Chanter. SkekSil is the Skeksis's chief secretary of state and next in line as Emperor of the Skeksis, being part of skekSo's Diplomatic Allegiance which also consisted of skekEkt and skekOk. However, skekSil is despised by the other Skeksis for his wheedling voice and underhanded nature, most notably by skekUng. During the events of Legends of the Dark Crystal, skekSil attempted to trick the Gelfling into distrusting the urRu while protecting his right of succession when it was being threatened by skekLach. In the first season of Age of Resistance, skekSil is revealed to have influenced skekTek in developing essence extraction and the creation of the Garthim. He also is the driving force behind the events of the show, from turning most of the Gelflings against Rian and each other, to securing the downfall and death of skekVar after he is replaced as the Emperor's closest advisor. In the film, skekSil's confrontation with skekUng over succession resulted in his exile, the removal of his robes, and he attempts to regain his position by capturing a Gelfling. Of all the Skeksis, skekSil's intentions are never fully revealed and seem contradictory, most notably when he forcibly brought Kira to the other Skeksis and refused to allow them to kill her. When Kira was brought to the Skeksis, skekUng had skekSil reinstated and his robes returned to him. When the Crystal was restored, skekSil was absorbed by urSol as they reverted into their original urSkek form SilSol.

In the comic book sequel The Power of the Dark Crystal taking place a century after the events of the movie, skekSil and the other Skeksis were reconstituted due to Thurma removing the Shard from the Crystal. Immediately ostracized by his comrades for causing their previous defeat, skekSil pursues Thurma and Kensho and use the Shard to force the other Skeksis to submit to him. But he ends up being destroyed by the restored Crystal as it reformed itself into the Prism, housing his spirit and urSol within it.

In the film, he is performed by Frank Oz and voiced by Barry Dennen. In The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance, he is performed by Warrick Brownlow-Pike and voiced by Simon Pegg.

skekUng
Also known as the Garthim-Master or the second General, the counterpart to the urRu urIm the Healer. SkekUng serves as the main antagonist of the original 1982 film, where he succeeds skekSo as Skeksis Emperor after his death. He does not appear in the events of The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance, although skekZok suggests recalling him to the castle as a "strong warrior" for their fight against the Gelfling. Being the second strongest of the Skeksis, he replaced skekVar as the General after his death. He had a bitter rivalry with skekSil, which culminated in a duel for supremacy. Though the other Skeksis admire his ferocity, his constant failure to capture the surviving Gelfling fails to evoke the respect of his subjects. He is suspicious of skekZok's loyalty, and is constantly fearing a challenge to his authority. In the novel, after the Chamberlain returns to the castle with a kidnapped Kira to be drained of her essence, and subsequently returns to his position of power, skekUng begins to spiral further into paranoia, plotting to murder skekTek and unleash his Garthim soldiers on every single form of life on Thra, to prevent the regeneration of the Gelfling population. When the Crystal was restored, skekUng was absorbed by urIm as they reverted into their original urSkek form UngIm, who leads the urSkeks back to their world.

In the film, he is performed by Dave Goelz and voiced by Michael Kilgarriff.

skekZok
Also known as the Ritual-Master and the counterpart to the urRu urZah the Ritual-Guardian, skekZok is the high priest who oversees the Skeksis' rituals and leader of the Religious Allegiance. Until the story of the film, skekZok "fancied himself skekSo's closest adviser, and sought to control the other Skeksis through false prophecies and apparitions, although they distrusted his divinations and practised their own." Though a contender for the throne after skekSo's death, skekZok sides with skekUng. Though he assists in the search for the surviving Gelfling with his Crystal bats, he is nonetheless distrusted and feared by skekUng. When skekSil arrived with Kira, he was annoyed at skekUng's commands to drain Kira of essence before killing her, as he insisted she must be killed immediately. Ironically, skekZok's impulse to kill Kira the moment she threw the Shard to Jen led to the Skeksis' downfall with skekZok absorbed by urZah back into their original urSkek form ZokZah.

In the film, he is performed by Jim Henson and voiced by Jerry Nelson. In The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance, he is performed by Victor Yerrid and voiced by Keegan-Michael Key.

skekTek
Also known as the Scientist and the counterpart to the urRu urTih the Alchemist, his obsession depraved to the point of amputating his two right limbs and replacing them with prosthetics and replacing his jugular vein with a transparent tube, skekTek is the Skeksis who conducts his research and experiments in the Castle's Chamber of Life. Through both skekSo's abuse and skekSil's influence, skekTek learned to harness the Dark Crystal's ability to extract essence and created the Garthim soldiers to quell the growing threat of Gelfling rebellion, and eventually, as an extermination force against the entire race. He was once considered a friend of Aughra, having mentored her when he and urTih were originally the urSkek TekTih. During the events of The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance, skekTek outfitted himself with a visual prosthesis after his right eye was ripped out by a Peeper Beetle as punishment for failing to prevent the Gelfling Rian from escaping with a vial of essence. By the time of the film, he had replaced his jugular vein with a transparent external tube to monitor his own circulation and his right arm and right leg with mechanical prosthetics and can be seen leaning on a cane. Because of his maltreatment by the other Skeksis, skekTek outright called himself "the most abused creature in all of Thra". skekSil provided skekTek with Gruenak helpers before later killing them when they tried to rebel, using one of them for parts in creating the Garthim. During the film, skekTek sided with skekUng after he became the new Emperor and convinced him to let him drain Kira of her essence, but Kira persuaded all the laboratory animals skekTek experimented on to attack him, resulting in him losing his footing and falling down the Crystal Shaft into the magma below with urTih incinerated as a result. skekTek has appearances in Legends of the Dark Crystal.

He is performed and voiced by Steve Whitmire in the film. In The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance, he is performed by Olly Taylor and voiced by Mark Hamill. Whitmire based skekTek's voice loosely on that of Peter Lorre. Hamill's voice for skekTek is noticeably raspier and gives him an added stertor.

skekAyuk
Also known as the Gourmand and the counterpart to the urRu urAmaj the Cook, skekAyuk is a gluttonous Skeksis who uses his status as the court's gourmet expert to devise menus for the feasts, preferring strong flavors and living prey. He is occasionally seen alongside both skekEkt and skekShod, being hypocritical in belittling his fellow Skeksis. In Age of Resistance, he is the only Skeksis besides skekTek to understand that the Crystal's failures in giving energy for the Skeksis to take was due to their constant abuse. In the novel, both he and skekEkt are part of skekSo's faction and support skekSil before turning on him once he loses. In the film, he and skekShod ultimately support skekZok. When the Crystal was restored, skekAyuk was absorbed by urAmaj as they reverted into their original urSkek form AyukAmaj.

In the film, he is performed by Louise Gold and voiced by Thick Wilson. In The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance, he is performed again by Gold and voiced by Harvey Fierstein.

skekEkt
Also known as the Ornamentalist and the counterpart to the urRu urUtt the Weaver, skekEkt is the more effeminate of the Skeksis and wears elaborate clothing that reflects his vanity. Despite possessing a genuine gift as a fashion designer, skekEkt is nonetheless described in The World of the Dark Crystal as an extremely vain and callous character who would gladly cause the death of countless animals for the sake of fabricating one cloak. According to skekSil's thoughts in The Dark Crystal novelization, skekEkt's uncharismatic depravity was considered excessive, even by the standards of the Skeksis, to the point where it would never command their obedience. He has the responsibility of giving the final say in the selection of experimental Podling slaves modified by skekTek for ritual choruses. He is occasionally seen alongside both skekOk and skekAyuk. Interestingly, skekOk and skekAyuk are loyal to skekSil like skekEkt (depending on the film and novel versions) before turning on him once he loses. When the Crystal was restored, skekEkt was absorbed by urUtt as they reverted into their original urSkek form EktUtt.

In the film, he is performed and voiced by Brian Muehl. In The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance, he is performed and voiced by Alice Dinnean.

skekNa
Also known as the Slave-Master and the counterpart to the urRu urNol the Herbalist, skekNa is the supervisor and disciplinarian of the Skeksis' slaves. He is described in The World of the Dark Crystal as "purely and openly evil from the beginning" and in The Dark Crystal novelization as having "no imagination and no nobility at all." He has a hook for a left hand and an eye patch to hide his missing right eye. He dubiously claims to have an ear for music, and takes it upon himself to select specific slaves for skekTek to experiment upon. Along with skekTek, he is a strong supporter of skekUng, and at one point was considered for promotion to the rank of Patriarch for his loyalty. When the Crystal was restored, skekNa was absorbed by urNol as they reverted into their original urSkek form NaNol. He was mentioned by skekZok in The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance, as skekOk considers calling the rest of the Skeksis back to the Castle during their battle against the Gelflings, noting that he, like skekSa the Mariner, would be "useful in a fight."

In the film, he is performed by Mike Quinn and voiced by David Buck.

skekShod
Also known as the Treasurer, the counterpart to the urRu urYod the Numerologist, and administratively skekSil's subordinate, skekShod is incapable of acknowledging anyone's presence unless offered some gift. Due to his limited vocabulary and excessive material desires, he frequently bribes the other Skeksis into loaning him their personal possessions. While not appearing or even mentioned in Age of Resistance, skekShod appears in the comic book sidestory which reveals him to oversee the Spritons' tithes and caused Hup's exile from Sami Thicket when he provoked the Podling to hit him. Along with skekAyuk and skekOk, he is a supporter of skekZok following skekSo's death. When the Crystal was restored, skekShod was absorbed by urYod as they reverted into their original urSkek form ShodYod.

In the film, he is performed by Tim Rose and voiced by Charles Collingwood.

skekOk
Also known as the Scroll-Keeper and the counterpart to the urRu urAc the Scribe, skekOk is the smallest and most deceptive of the Skeksis who prides himself in his writing skills and owns a private library in the castle depicting numerous secrets. skekOk uses his talents as a historian to alter the documentation of his kind's history to reflect his ever-shifting political allegiance, until all truth was lost. He was also prone to mood swings and could often be found mumbling to himself. He was always late for the Skeksis' meetings and very often fell asleep during them. In Age of Resistance skekOk is also shown to have diplomatic talents that rival skekSil's, being in charge of recording (and occasionally extorting) the tributes given to the Skeksis by the Gelfling. He also "befriends" Brea for a while, and suggests summoning the rest of the Skeksis back to the castle after skekMal turns up nearing death. In the film, his loyalty is ultimately to skekSil. In the novel, his loyalty is to skekZok. When the Crystal was restored, skekOk was absorbed by urAc as they reverted into their original urSkek form OkAc.

In the film, he is performed by Bob Payne and voiced by John Baddeley. In The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance, he is performed and voiced by Neil Sterenberg.

Expanded universe
Through the years various comics and novels were made which serve as prequels to the events of the film, introducing various Skeksis. Over the time their living number, names, positions and even counterparts were changed. This is evident since current canon claims there were 18 Skeksis to begin with yet throughout all forms of The Dark Crystal media there are around 20 individual Skeksis names.

skekVar
Also known as the General and the counterpart to the urRu urMa the Peacemaker, skekVar is a loyal but violent and short-tempered military leader who killed All-Maudra Mayrin when she learned of her people being used by the Skeksis to prolong their lives. When skekVar was named the Emperor's new council in place of skekSil, he ended up being secretly murdered by skekSil in a scheme to regain their Emperor's trust while destroying skekVar's reputation. Before his death, he along with the Chamberlain, brought forth to the Emperor and Scientist the idea of Soldiers that would be soulless yet loyal: these would later become the Garthim. However, with skekVar gone, all the Skeksis, in particular the Scientist, would later lay claim to their creation.

skekVar first appeared in the two volume manga Legends of the Dark Crystal by Tokyopop, the three volume series The Dark Crytal: Creation Myths by Archaia Comics, and other media created by the Jim Henson Company, though his role in the story was slightly altered.

His first on camera appearance was in the Netflix prequel series The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance, performed by Kevin Clash and voiced by Benedict Wong.

skekLach
Also known as the Collector and the counterpart to the urRu urSen the Monk, skekLach is a sickly and jaded Skeksis who is also known for his role in overseeing the Gelfling's tribute. Appearing in the first season of Age of Resistance, skekLach is killed by exploding in a pile of pus when Deet uses her powers to redirect the Darkening's energy back at the Skeksis. His design and personality has differed in his various appearances: in the comics depicted with a mechanised arm, elaborate coat, and a scarred face, been more cunning in a battle of wits with the Chamberlain, while secretly withholding Gelfling essence for himself and using skekVar as a scapegoat.

He appeared in The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance, performed by Helena Smee and voiced by Awkwafina.

skekMal
Known as the Hunter and the counterpart to the urRu urVa the Archer, skekMal is a Skeksis introduced in the J.M. Lee novel Shadows of the Dark Crystal. He also appears in The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance, wearing a spirit-like skull mask that conceals his scarred face and sports an extra pair of retractable arms. Considering himself a sportsman who relentlessly hunts his quarry down, skekMal is a brutal killer so feared even by his own kind that they tend to summon his services as a last resort. Thus few Gelfling knew of his existence as he eats his prey and keeps their skulls as his trophies. He is skilled in trapping and combat, being one of the few Skeksis to use his extra arms in a fight, with animalistic movement. Hired by skekSil to acquire Rian, skekMal's hunt brings him in conflict with urVa. When skekMal was badly wounded by urVa, he brought Brea back to the Skeksis' castle before collapsing. As the Skeksis worked to keep him alive, Aughra offered her lifeforce in order for skekMal to be saved. During the battle in Stone-In-The-Wood, urVa commits suicide by jumping to his doom in order to stop his counterpart for good. This enables Aughra to be reconstituted. In episode 8 of The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance, Aughra expresses some fondness for him, declaring that skekMal was "the most beautiful of the lot" despite his scent of death.

In The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance, skekMal is performed by Kevin Clash, in-suit performed by Nick Kellington, and voiced by Ralph Ineson. Two additional puppeteers in blue screen suits operated skekMal's retractable arms.

skekGra
Previously known as the Conqueror, eccentric in personality, skekGra originally served as a militant leader in the Skeksis until he and his urRu counterpart urGoh the Wanderer both received a vision of the eventual reunion of their races into their original selves. Both desired to merge back into the urSkek GraGoh, but skekGra was cast out by the Skeksis as "The Heretic" for his attempts to convince them to rejoin their urRu counterparts. skekGra and urGoh were forced to live together in self-imposed exile in the Crystal Desert where they waited for the Gelfling Rian, Brea, and Deet so they could give them the Crystal Shard that was concealed in the Dual Glaive sword they forged. skekGra eventually became rather boisterous and eccentric, describing himself as a fun Skeksis. He and urGoh became skilled at the art of puppetry.

In Age of Resistance, skekGra is performed by Damian Farrell and voiced by Andy Samberg.

skekEer
Introduced only in Legends of the Dark Crystal: Volume 2: Trial by Fire, he was an ally of skekVar the General. skekEer was the Spy-Master, but neither his urRu counterpart nor urSkek name has never been depicted or identified. Since the new books and the prequel show, skekEer has been removed from canon with skekNa revealed to be the Skeksis in charge of spies before becoming the slave-master.

skekSa and skekCru
The Skeksis Mariner skekCru was first introduced in volume 2 of Tokyopop's Legends of the Dark Crystal and was a political ally of skekVar the General, along with the Spy-Master, skekEer, and had little to say in the manga. The Mariner would be revamped as a female Skeksis called skekSa (also known as the Captain) and was as a major character in the J.M. Lee novel Tides of the Dark Crystal, making her a canon Skeksis. Her urRu counterpart was urSan the Swimmer; they made the urSkek SaSan. skekZok mentions skekSa in The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance while considering recruiting more Skeksis to help battle the Gelfling, noting that she, like skekNa the Slave Master, would be "useful in a fight."

skekLi
skekLi was the Skeksis Satirist who wrote stories for the enjoyment of the Skeksis. His urRu counterpart was urLii the Storyteller, making the urSkek LiLii. He was the main antagonist in the J.M. Lee novel Song of the Dark Crystal,, making him a canon Skeksis. skekOk mentions him in The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance, when he considers recalling the other Skeksis to help fight against the Gelfling.

skekHak and skekYi
These were two Skeksis seen at the end of Volume 2 of The Dark Crystal: Creation Myths from Archaia Comics, and who died immediately after the botched division of the urSkeks when a rogue Skeksis killed their urRu counterparts: one was strangled while the other was thrown into the fire shaft under the Crystal. In the J.M.Lee novel Flames of the Dark Crystal their back story is changed with only one of them dying when their urRu counterpart is killed by another Skeksis who attacks it with a crystal staff. It is currently unknown how the canon events play out. skekHak's urRu counterpart was urHom and the two formed HakHom the urSkek Architect, while skekYi's counterpart was urYa, making YiYa the urSkek Conservator. Their deaths established the knowledge of the Skeksis and urRu still being connected, with the former race leaving their counterparts alone out of self-preservation. Either both or one of them are indirectly mentioned in Age of Resistance by skekZok when he mentions that no Skeksis died between the skirmish that took place after their creation and the Gelfing's rebellion after the news of skekMal's first death. If, in the canon story, skekHak survived, it is implied he was the one who remodelled the Crystal Castle to better resemble the Skeksis themselves, while if he died, other sources claim skekShod and skekNa remodelled the Crystal Castle, as punishment for defying skekSo's position as Emperor.

Confirmed canon Skeksis
These Skeksis appear in the original film, the Netflix prequel series, and J.M. Lee novels (Shadows of the Dark Crystal, Song of the Dark Crystal, Tides of the Dark Crystal, and Flames of the Dark Crystal).

 * skekSo the Emperor
 * skekSil the Chamberlain
 * skekVar the General (originally called the Ambassador)
 * skekUng (originally called the Executioner, then the Garthim-Master, then the Second General, finally the Second Emperor)
 * skekZok the Ritual-Master (also known as the High Priest)
 * skekEkt the Ornamentalist (also known as the Designer)
 * skekTek the Scientist
 * skekShod the Treasurer
 * skekOk the Scroll-Keeper (also known as the Historian)
 * skekNa (originally called the Spy-Master, then the Slave-Master, would have been given the title of Patriarch)
 * skekAyuk the Gourmand
 * skekLach the Collector (originally called the Census-Taker)
 * skekMal the Hunter
 * skekGra the Heretic (formerly the Conqueror)
 * skekLi the Satirist (also known as the Jester)
 * skekSa the Mariner (also known as the Captain and the Sailor)
 * skekYi the Steward
 * skekHak the Machinist (also known as the Merchant)

Other appearances

 * The Skeksis frames were modified and reused in the second season episode of Farscape – "Out of Their Minds", 18 years after the release of The Dark Crystal.
 * Canadian extreme metal group Strapping Young Lad named a track after the Skeksis on their 2005 album Alien.
 * In the second episode of the 2014 television series Jim Henson's Creature Shop Challenge, the contest's theme revolved around the Skeksis.
 * In the Scissor Sisters self-titled debut album, released in 2004, the Skeksis are referenced in the last track "Return to Oz".
 * In the 2019 video game Borderlands 3, the Skeksis are referenced with a weapon in the game named "SkekSil", after the Chamberlain. The weapon's special ability is called "Get back, spithead!", a reference to a phrase uttered by the same Skeksis in the film.
 * In The Areas of My Expertise by John Hodgman the satirical almanac of fake facts, the Skeksis titles are listed among the 700 hobo names as hobo #291 to #300.
 * In the South Park episode "Tsst", a character named Nanny Skexis appears during a parody of Nanny 911. The character bears a striking resemblance to the Chamberlain.

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User talk:Haixiu

If you take another look at the copyright violation notice on Hoa Binh Province, you'll see that it says "Please do not edit this page for the moment." Don't remove the notice—follow the instructions on the notice if you would like to rewrite the article in your own words. Thanks. Postdlf 03:40, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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The image you added to Euphronios and Sarpedon was a good one. Any particular reason why you then removed it? Curious, Chick Bowen 21:13, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
 * It's probably copywrite protected. Only 2d images are allowed as public domain, I wasn't thinking when I added it.  I can contact the place I pulled it from and see if they'll give wikipedia permission, and if so I'll add it back. - Ravenous 21:19, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, smart thinking--I wondered if copyright was the issue. The image is pretty low resolution, so a fair use claim should be possible--particularly since there's really no way to get a free image of a Euphronios work (now that the Louvre bans photography, as do most American museums).   might be the best tag.  Chick Bowen 21:27, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... not a bad idea. - Ravenous 21:32, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Excellent--I just fiddled with the tags a little bit. By the way, since we claim it's low-res it probably should be lower than it is--I can't edit it now because I'm at a public computer, but I'll do so at home tonight.  Looks good.  Chick Bowen 22:09, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Electra
Thanks for putting the name back in the link. Sorry I missed that. RupertMillard 00:54, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Poetics
Hi, you deleted books like "Aristotle in Hollywood" from Poetics without giving a reason. Could you explain to me why you deleted them? I'm interested, thanks :-) Peter S. 22:52, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Most of the "External links" sections in these articles on classical works contain only links to translations - and I've been working on improving those lists. When I edited the one for Poetics, I must have missed that there was a non-translation item in the list (I should be more observant).  Anyway, we can set up a new External links section and add it back if you want.  If this is a book you've read, would you be interested in adding some info from it to the section "Influence of Work"? That section definately needs more.  Then we can put it in a "References" section...   Ravenous 23:38, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Yes, I read the book (good one btw). I'm not sure it should be mentioned in "Influence of the work", though, since "Aristotle in Hollywood" is not really a bestseller. I think it's one of the best introductions into the rather difficult Poetics, though. I might add some info about it at a later time, don't have much time right now. I just added a new section "References" and put the book inside - is that ok with you? Peter S. 00:46, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Sure - that's fine with me. From the summary I read of the book, it may shed some insight into Aristotle's influence on modern day film. If that's the case, I think some info from it would be appropriate.   Whether directly or indirectly, Poetics has influenced script-writing immensely.  I believe I might have some other references on the shelf here that go into the subject, so I'll add to that section when I get a chance. Ravenous 02:04, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Actually, parts of the Poetics are lost, and this book tries to fill in the blanks, and creates a new Poetic theory. It then applies this to Film, TV and novels. I'd be glad to read your additions :-) Peter S. 15:29, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Greek Theatre
Hi, I just read your note on the WikiProject Theatre discussion page. I have been looking over your contributions to Greek Theatre and just wanted to thank you for your work! It is marvelous. I had not even noted your additions to the template page. They are lovely! As I said in my response, I'm working on creating some smaller WikiProjects for specific areas of theatre. My current project is Elizabethan Theatre, but once I finish I think there should be one for Ancient Greek Theatre. I would be interested to have your input and again, thanks for your hard work! *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 22:18, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, glad I could be of some help. I'm looking forward to seeing an Ancient Greek Theatre project. I'll be compiling a list of things I think the play pages need help with. Let me know if you need any other assistance setting up the project. - Ravenous 00:00, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Protagoras
Thanks for catching my typo that made Protagoras minus two when he died... --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 21:17, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Help Please
Ancient Greek comedy needs work and I thought it might be right up your alley, I don't have the experience needed to do it myself so if your active, it would be great if you could take a look.

--Xanthias (talk) 11:03, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:Dana Scully

4x24
From 4x24: Mulder: Then you accept the possibility that belief in God is a lie? Scully: I don't think about it actually and I don't think that it can be proven. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.31.249.88 (talk) 09:30, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Trivia
Trivia: Scully is a fan of the metal band Megadeth (I can't remember the episode, but should be in the first or in the second serie). Would anyone add it? (sorry for my english: I'm italian)
 * Scully is not necessarily a fan of Megadeath. That assumption is based upon a one-line (likely joking) comment from Mulder in "Die Hand Die Verletz" (episode 2x14). 65.6.157.79 (talk) 01:44, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Long-winded, unobjective summaries
These long-winded, unobjective summaries are a joke. I'm going to try and edit them soon. Frey

(Added "presumably the child's father") If we cite the Mulder entry, we should keep it consistent, and it was never absolutely confirmed, despite "William" and "The Truth." User:Frey at last

We seriously need to get some people to fill this page up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NathanMazoa (talk • contribs)

cleaned up
I tried to unify and clean up this article (a little bit), the edits made by some ip address were obviously made by someone unfamiliar with wikipedia. oh well. Jesse 03:22, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I've been deleting unnecessary plot summaries and long quote passages of various sections. The article was/is very poorly organized with a lot of irrelevant (and sometimes erroneous) information.Marikology 23:20, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Great edits! Thanks. - Frey 03:41, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the symmetry with the Mulder page, however, the Parents section was too long-winded. I suggest the original author recover the text from the history and make a Margaret Scully page.Marikology 23:32, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Her quotes should be moved to wikiquote, like the mulder article. Cthulhu spawn 19:56, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Scully's Family
I have repeatedly deleted redundant or unnecessary information from this section, simply because Scully's family is very peripheral to the show. Most of the information I deleted was "fanon"- POV based on speculation from one line of dialogue, making it inappropriate for an encyclopedia article. For example, Charles Scully is only mentioned a handful of times- it's too much to assume he has children, or anything else about him, besides his name. Many people call close younger boys their nephews, even if it's not officially so. The nephew Scully referred to in "Home" could have been anybody!

Other details about Emily Sim and William are included elsewhere in the article and do not need to be re-stated. (William even has his own page). Marikology 18:51, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Also, besides the mention of her nephew in "Home", Scully herself refered to her uncle in "Humbug". This, too, should be left out of the article.cw1925 19:20, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Immortality
The entire subject is speculation. If my addition is removed the entire section should be removed.

I went ahead and took out this whole section and moved it to the X-Files Wiki.... A link to it is on the Scully page under External Links.

--Rob DiLLy 01:12, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Restored mention of the multiple hints with a valid source. Not sure if it should be in the intro, but fits there better than any other current section, and I do not have the knowledge to do a proper expansion. —MJBurrage(T•C) 21:03, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Emily
Do we know who her biological father is? Yellowstone County Girl 05:25, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Emily was conceived as part of a government experiment as a result of the tests done on Scully during her first abduction (see: Ascension, One Breath); presumably, Emily Sim is an alien-human hybrid, meaning that her 'biological father' by definition, doesn't exist and is alien in origin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.188.187.111 (talk) 02:32, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

A source that can be used Truth Is Out There: The Official Guide to the X Files
There is a book called  Truth Is Out There: The Official Guide to the X Files by Brian Lowry. If you need more X-Files information (especially about development of episodes), get the book and cite it. WhisperToMe (talk) 05:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Bah, c'mon.
Does she really fit into the "Woman Warriors"? Murdersaurusrex (talk) 03:08, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Mulder and Scully's current status
Why are people reverting the info about their current relationship status all the time to "ambiguous"? I just changed it back and I keep got a message saying my information was incorrect and not from a verifiable source when it is stated both in the movie and the official novelization that they are living together in the new movie.
 * I suspected vandalism, so I reverted it. Seeing that you bring it here, I reassess my position and will not revert again. __meco (talk) 10:54, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

I think it frankly was somewhat ambiguous. The two were clearly still in love and I'm guessing they had some level of contact in the six years since The Truth. But I think it's unlikely that they were living together regularly since Mulder was still a fugitive while Scully obviously was not. Maybe that changed after Mulder was exonerated but before... serpentnight 9:39, 7 September 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.146.200.152 (talk)

Address
Does anyone know the source of Scully's address as being "107 E. Cordova St."? Gathering research for the X-Files Wiki, I've just finished watching the whole of The X-Files, looking for information about the homes of the series' main characters, but I can't find anywhere that the location of Scully's apartment, in more depth than "Georgetown", is given. The sentence here that claims she once lived at this specific street address has no citation of the source of the information and, though this claim is repeated on other websites, I'm unable to find any citation of the source. Shouldn't this information be removed, if it's discovered that it's not an officially established address for Scully? 84.67.134.19 (talk) 11:31, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm able to find on-line references to Cordova St. being an actual street, where exteriors of buildings were filmed for the series. It's unlikely but not impossible that the same street name was obscurely given as the fictional address where Scully supposedly lives and/or lived, especially since I've recently been through the entire series, looking for such information. Consequently, I've removed the reality information from the fictional information. Although the sentence stated only a former address, Scully is still living in Georgetown at the end of the television series, so I've also tried to add this information. 84.67.134.19 (talk) 11:55, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

A third X FIles Movie?
Hi. I'm a long time x-files fan and I was wondering if any of you out there think they might come out with another one. Please Respond. 67.239.123.194 (talk) 16:09, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Episode Count
I think the info box lacks an episode count, like other characters have (e.g. Fox Mulder, Walter Skinner). --JPGoelz (talk) 19:20, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

"Scully Effect"
Someone should add a section on the "Scully Effect", where many young women and girls who watched in their formative years credit Scully for their career in science medicine FBI. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.18.160.33 (talk) 17:43, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Someone should remove this section or get proper sources for it because as it stands its far from well sourced and give people potentially wrong ideas about things, misinformation. Check out the sources used, both sources point to the same thing when referring to the scully effect, which is just an interview with Gillian Andersson where she says she has heard about it and they get letters from people saying Scully/Gillian inspired them. Thats an anecdote. Either make it clear in the part about the scully effect what the source actually says "Gillian Anderson have said that many fans have written to her and explained Scully was partly responsible for inspiring them to pursue STEM", or delete the part from the article, or put some effort into finding a source that has actual evidence for the effect (or against the existence of it). A google result return a lot of mention of "The Scully Effect" but pretty much everything seems to either just explain what it is with no source (Scully inspired women to get into STEM) or the source is the part where Gillian Andersson have said she has heard about it. However since the effect seems so well known there should have been at least one academic study trying to actually find out how many women in STEM got that interest due to Scully that could be cited as an actual source for "The Scully Effect", either as verifying its "realness" or "busting the myth".

Either way as it stands right now its misinformation. Someone will read the article and leave thinking this is an established fact but the sources clearly establishes no such thing as a fact, its simply a claim made by Gillian Andersson and no source that goes beyond that is being used. Wikipedia needs to be more rigorous in its sourcing because people who read articles on wikipedia accept everything they read as undisputable facts and if the information in the article was far from scientifically verified and was instead solely based on a persons anecdotal claim then this needs to be made clear in the article itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.174.186.239 (talk) 14:10, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Metal music
It could be noteworthy that Scully is a fan of heavy metal music, as is revealed at the beginning of episode Die Hand Die Verletzt, especially as it seems in contradiction to her perceived Catholic faith. In the episode, a local sheriff expresses his view that metal music would teach satanism to local kids, and shortly after, Mulder brings up Scully's like for the genre, to which she replies by dismissing the sheriff's views on it as nonsense. --79.242.222.168 (talk) 04:49, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

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Spoilers
I haven't watched the X-Files yet. At the top of this article, it says that Mulder gets abducted in season 7. Isn't that a spoiler? Can we put it in a spoiler tag or put a warning at the top of the article? 77.21.174.18 (talk) 13:33, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

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Yuri Shimai

Yuri Shimai (百合姉妹) was a yuri manga anthology magazine published quarterly by Japanese publisher Sun Magazine.The magazine existed between June 2003 and November 2004. It was part of what still is a small niche market, with only a few manga magazines in Japan that specializes in the yuri (i.e. lesbian-themed) genre. The magazine also contained one-shots and light novels. The magazine was discontinued in November 2004 with the fifth volume. The magazine's cover illustrations were done by Reine Hibiki, the illustrator of the yuri light novel series Maria-sama ga Miteru.

The magazine was revived as Comic Yuri Hime by Ichijinsha in July 2005, with many of the same manga authors returning.

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Talk:Lothar von Trotha

Was Trotha Jewish?
I'm guessing that he was seeing the names of his wives.

 * I didn't find anything in my research on this article to verify whether he was Jewish. --Roisterer 02:34, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * It wasn't uncommon for that time, that German men and Jewish women (and, vice-versa, Jewish men and German women) had relationships. As you know, the Jewish people were totally assimilated into the German society. OotHb 5:55 (GMT +1) 18 Dez 2005

 * He doesn't look German. Even with a tan and a sepia picture a German does NOT look like he does. Maybe he's Czech or Polish?
 * Wow, you can tell a German from a Czech or a Pole just by glancing at an obscure picture? Not really ...

Just for information: The family of Trotha is an old German noble familiy from - who would have guessed? - Trotha (a small village near Halle on the river Saale). Try www.throta.de. 08. Feb. 06

This guy looks about as German as Ariel Sharon, the fact that his origins are murky and he married a Jewish woman, along with the fact that he doesn't in any way look remotely German, should be taken as evidence that he is a Jew. How many Prussian aristocrats (aside from Jews) would marry a Jew? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.140.85.63 (talk) 02:40, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Why is this an issue? Did Ernst Heinkel "look" German? Did Reichsminister Dr Goebbels "look" German? Did parteigenossen Hans Frank "look" German? What about Emil Maurice? As for the marriage question, many Germans married across religious lines prior to 1935. So what? There are certainly logical issues to raise regarding some aspects of this article and also some aspects of the related article on the Herero Uprising, but implying that von Troth chose to restore order in the way that he did either because he was Jewish or because his wife was Jewish adds nothing constructive to the process. One might better compare von Troth's tactics against the Hereros and those used by the armed forces of the United States against native-Americans in the 19th century, and those used by the English and Spanish against native-Americans prior to that. (71.22.47.232 (talk) 03:21, 2 February 2011 (UTC))

Herero sparing noncombatants?
I restored the claim that the Herero had spared noncombatants, because it's already clear it needs citation, and I see nothing contradictory on the Herero Genocide page. Also, with this page having attracted vandalism, an anonymous user who has edited nothing else should justify this change a little more :) Greenman 14:11, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I added a citation to substantiate this claim from the seminal study by Horst Drechsler.

 * The incident began with the murdering of 150 or so German civilians, so I can hardly see how the Herero "spared noncombantants". Totally bogus and not at all reflected by established facts, like msot of the lies mr Greenman seems to enjoy writing and protecting from being changed into something factual/truthful Ernham 17:31, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, although an author of unknown political agenda says that the Herero commanders spared noncombatants, the Wikipedia article on German Southwest Africa says that the Herero killed around 150 German civilians. It appears that we need to find a cite documenting Herero killings of German civilians and then edit accordingly the current claim that the Herero spared civilians.

One war crime or crime against humanity does not jusify another, but if we mention one we must mention the other. An objective student of history cannot indulge in selective outrage. (71.22.47.232 (talk) 09:38, 2 February 2011 (UTC))

Outcry in Wilhelmine Germany?
The current article says, "As soon as news of von Trotha's actions reached Germany, there was a public outcry which led Imperial Chancellor Bernhard von Bülow to ask Kaiser Wilhelm II to remove von Trotha from his command." I don't think that is an adequate portrayal of the response. Trotha was given the honor "pour le mérite," after all, and got a full pension. Also, the social democrats are widely held to have lost electoral support in the 1907 elections because they criticized von Trotha's unpardonable annihilation tactics and German imperialism generally (see http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstagswahl_1907). A "public outcry" would have looked a bit differently, methinks. Jboy 9 Dec 2006

Another lie-filled anti-German article. Oh fueher, how they envy us, the wonderful Germany blood and soil superboys
Sad, wikipedia, sad.
 * Thank you for you contributions. To deal with the points individually...
 * I see no mention in the cited article that Germany, nor any other nation in the world, recognizes these as acts of genocide, and it seems irrelevant given that the German minister was reported as saying that she felt the 'brutal crushing was genocide'. I agree that the word 'official' was not used correctly.
 * The fact that von Trotha arrived after 5 months, and also initially experienced relative failure, is worth reporting, as it gives context to his change of strategy. I agree that comments about the Herero's supposed 'lack of fear' and perception as being 'savages' don't belong here, at least without more context.
 * Historians have made the connection between Namibia and later events in Nazi Germany, so that comment should stay. Anyone reading the article can decide for themselves whether its a valid connection. I also left in the comment about good relations between the countries, and the aid packages, but removed the word 'generous', as that's POV and not all parties agree. Greenman 18:51, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

 * If they have made the connections, CITE THEM, not your BOGUS communist political website either. The German imperial troops took a long time to be mobolized, which is why little was done initially. It is recorded that herero were unorganized and easily routed in battle, but that they would continue to return to areas they had already been pushed out of. Ernham 17:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

More neutral editors needed - help stop the edit war!
Sigh. This is a call for help to all interested editors to please help monitor the constant removal of cited references, in both this and the Herero and Namaqua Genocide articles, by a particular editor, and general attempts to force his own POV. The editor in question is abusive and not-responsive to constructive criticism, and has simply decided to opt out of discussions, and continually revert. Please see the relevant histories for the full discussions, and record of this users lack of constructive engagement. Greenman 17:21, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

 * You are the one POV pushing. I'm just interested in facts and truth as we know them, not your ridiculous communist websites and perverse interpretation of reality. How can one spare non combatants when one just organized the ehtnic cleaning of over 100 noncombants? You cherry pick sources that are completely BOGUS and have no undertsanding of what you are editing. I don't have time to deal with you, but i won't let you continue to present a wiki that is 90% bogus as not being "disputed" and I won't let you claim something as a "genocide" when it is not recognized as such by any other country. You have chosen this route of edit warring instead of defending your postion. For instance, you could supply at least one country that officially recognizes it as a genocide. You have don nothing of the sort. Ernham 17:37, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Ernham wins the edit war
This just in. In a fantastic display of scholarly integrity, the esteemed Ernham has earned the right to write history. By constantly editing out those niggardly references he didn't like, wittily smashing any editors who dared to disagree, Ernham has been declared the winner. Thanks to his stamina, it's now quite obvious that the Herero genocide has no links with Holocaust,
 * Actually, though it is obvious you are being sarcastic, there are NO links to the Herero genocide (1904-07) and the Holocaust! I do not recall any Nazis in early 20th century Namibia. If you truly believe the two actions to be related, then you are an idiot. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 192.234.16.2 (talk) 21:30, 20 March 2007(UTC).

...in spite of some foolish attempts to add references. References? Who needs them? Ernham has shown once and for all that all you need is stamina! In a masterly display, Ernham even removed a reference from a [fictional piece]! Yes, the author had dared to make one of his characters make a comparison between the Herero geno, oops, I mean little skirmish caused by the nasty Herero. In the flick of the mouse, not only history, but fiction has been rewritten! Masterly Ernham, masterly!

It's heart-warming to read how Ernham decided that the German public caused an outcry when they heard about von Trotha's (not really genocide of course) tactics. Thanks to his god work, Ernham has shown that it's quite obvious that the vicious Herero targeted innocent Germans. The cited reference is wrong, Ernham is right. Ernham too demonstrated that the German development aid minister didn't actually say what she's reported to say, and by reverting the insinuation he proved once and for all she didn't say what she said. And if you disagree it's all an Anglo-Saxon plot. By wearing down the annoying detractors with his stamina, Ernham has proved once and for all that He's right! Congratulations Ernham on a fantastic display.

I award you the 'Choose your own adventure' prize for blindly sticking to truth no matter the facts.

In short, this article is pile of sh*te. But no-one else seems to care, so Ernham can write his own version of history, free of references, surrounded by posters of Steffi Graf and Michael Schumacher, free of nasty lying Anglo-Saxon brutes who're behind a plot to rewrite history, (shame wikipedia, shame), nasty 'so-called' Herero daring to claim compensation, and so on. Goodbye. Greenman 19:43, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Congratulations Greenman! You should be awarded for your maturity. Your use of thinly veiled sarcasm and disregard for opposing opinions especially earn you this distinction. Way to go, call Ernham with a Nazi, because that is a truly effective debate tactic! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 192.234.16.2 (talk) 21:30, 20 March 2007(UTC).

Links between Nazi holocaust and Herero genocide
With Ernham banned for his behaviour, hopefully we can avoid sinking to that level again and make some constructive progress on this article (although the anonymous contributer has decided to call me an idiot, so I don't have high hopes :).

Mr/Ms anonymous, in order for there to be a connection between the two events, there don't have to have been Nazis present in Namibia. Such literal short-sightedness is hardly helpful. It is possible for there to be other links. Eugen Fischer, father of eugenics, and whose book was a standard Nazi textbook during the Nazi era, toured the concentration camps in Nambia, and performed experiments there. It's in Namibia he formed many of his ideas. Hitler cites his work in Mein Kampf. Historians have pointed out the connection. Since Wikipedia is supposed to be NPOV, all that's needed is to point this out, not agree with it. If you think its idiotic and there should have been Nazis in Namibia, fine, but Wikipedia is not a place for original research :) I will add this reference to the article as perhaps it will dissuade other well-meaning but ill-informed contributers, though I'm sure the revisionists would have an apoplexy and will remove it anyway. Greenman 18:57, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

 * The only revisionist in here seems to be you. Ernham 20:39, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

First: The Konzentrationcamps where not like the one of the second ww. Second: the whole issue is vage. As the Germans attaced the African a lot of them escaped thrue the dessert. Trotha himselfe declared that he all killed them, but not because he did, because he did not want to give in that a big part of his enemy escaped to british Terretories. As never ever one has surged this in South Afrika and Botswana, we will never know how many aktually died. The same is with the so called Konzentrationcamps where a hand ful soldiers watched for a lot of people. Here too a lot of them escaped. As the Africans today are not silly the numbers of victims are rising and the words holocaust and Konzentrationcamp is braught in and the money starts roling. And thid : This nations where nomadic cattle holder the reason for the war it is unlikly that there where 80.000 of them before the war. This arguments all where written in a German book witch ofcause is supressed as Revisionist. But it is scientificly made but not in the eyes of people for whom history is a political play ground.

Johann

Friendly vandal is back
Ernham has obviously been unbanned again, and is back doing what he does best, punting his own obstinate POV with no attempt to reach consensus. His first act back after a month or so of peace and progress on the article is to revert it back to his previous garbage version, removing sourced references, etc. I'm going to try not to lower myself to his standard and involved myself in an edit war again, (though I can't help trying to get involved when I see utter crap on Wikipedia) but PLEASE, can everyone else viewing this article help stop his vandalism!!!! Greenman 11:52, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

 * you are the POV-pusher around here who knows little to nothing about the history which you continue to manipulate and lie about. Ernham 20:38, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Please read Beware of the tigers and Resolving disputes. -- Jeandré, 2007-04-08t11:00z

 * There's no point engaging with Ernham :) I'm stepping out of the edit war, but please note it's a pile of POV crap again as Ernham simply reverts without discussion, so perhaps someone else wants to fix it, or get Ernham banned for the xth time :) Greenman 11:48, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

"German family's Namibia apology" - BBC
Story is here. I don't know enough about this to judge how to write about it, but it seemed relevant. Loganberry (Talk) 01:38, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

What to do?
Von Trotha had a choice. Either try to win the hearts and minds of the Hereroes (positive reinforcement) or kill most of them (negative reinforcement). As a military man, he chose the second option. War is heck. He didn't have to be concerned about the media and its embedded journalists.Lestrade (talk) 01:57, 17 January 2008 (UTC)Lestrade

Do you have any idea what negative reinforcement is? Negative reinforcement does not mean giving somebody something negative/bad, it means removing something unpleasant. If your boss rewards your hard work by yelling at you less, that is negative reinforcement (assuming you do not like being yelled at). The removal/negation of unwanted stimulus. As a result of your behavior a negative condition is avoided or stopped. Everytime you enter a room you wind up burning your feet on the hot floor, if you stop entering the room you stop burning your feet, hence you avoid something you don't like. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.140.85.63 (talk) 03:05, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

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