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Thomas Fremantle (Royal Navy officer)

Vice-Admiral Sir Thomas Francis Fremantle, 1st Baron Fremantle, (20 November 1765 – 19 December 1819) was a British Royal Navy officer and nobleman whose accolades include three separate fleet actions, a close friendship with Horatio Nelson, 1st Viscount Nelson and being granted an Austrian barony. He was the father of Admiral Sir Charles Fremantle, after whom the city Fremantle in Western Australia is named for.

Early career
Fremantle was born in 1765, son of John Fremantle, of Aston Abbotts, Buckinghamshire, and Frances, daughter of John Edwards, of Bristol. His younger brother was the politician Sir William Fremantle. He joined the navy in 1777 aged eleven, aboard the frigate HMS Hussar. Profiting from family influence, active commissions in the American War of Independence and a keen sense of seamanship and aggressive tactical awareness, promotion came easily. He was made a lieutenant on 13 March 1782 while on duty in Jamaica and promoted to commander on 13 November 1790, in command of the sloop HMS Spitfire.

He was then in a good position to profit from the mass promotions that accompanied the outbreak of the French Revolutionary War in 1793, being made a post-captain on 16 May 1793 in the small frigate HMS Tartar. In this ship he first came to the notice of Horatio Nelson, when they both served at the Siege of Bastia. During the siege, Nelson lost an eye and Fremantle gained a reputation for daring, taking his ship under the fortress walls despite heavy fire from above which had already sunk one frigate in the bay.

The following year Fremantle commanded the frigate HMS Inconstant and was engaged in Lord Hotham's indecisive and cautious fleet action in the Gulf of Genoa on 14 March 1795. The French fleet had departed from Toulon and were making for the Italian coast, pursued by Hotham's fleet and an approaching storm. Fremantle, despite unspoken rules of engagement which did not require him to engage ships larger than his own, used his superior speed to overtake the 80-gun Ça Ira, which had been damaged in a collision. By taking his ship under the massive bow of his opponent, he managed to slow her enough for the oncoming British fleet to capture her and another French ship that had turned back in a rescue attempt. The first British ship to the scene was Nelson's HMS Agamemnon, and respect between the two officers was further enhanced.

Companion of Nelson
At Nelson's request, Fremantle was a companion and junior officer when he was detached to Italy in 1796. They wreaked havoc along the Italian coastline and evacuated British and royalist civilians to Corsica when the French army invaded. They took coastal positions and raided shore installations, capturing the island of Elba. One of the British refugees whom Fremantle rescued from Livorno was the 18-year-old Catholic Betsey Wynne, daughter of Richard Wynne (from the Anglo-Venetian Wynne family, acquainted with Casanova) and Camille de Royer. Fremantle married Betsey that year, with Prince Augustus as his best man. The same year he was embroiled in an engagement with Spanish gunboats off Cadiz, again under Nelson, and the next year he was with him at the disastrous Battle of Tenerife, where both were grievously wounded in the arm. Nelson's was amputated; Fremantle's survived, but he never regained full use of it.

While convalescing at home, Fremantle honed his theories of successful command at sea, shown by several proposals he sent to the Admiralty concerning the judgement of petty disciplinary actions on board ship. Although these were rejected, they would later be used as models when the disciplinary system was revised in the 1850s. A very popular officer with his men, his contemporaries and the public alike, Fremantle did not remain at home long. When Nelson took command of the Channel Fleet, Fremantle joined him in August 1800 as commander of the ship of the line HMS Ganges. With this ship he received further accolades for his service at the Battle of Copenhagen in 1801. He also dabbled in politics, standing unsuccessfully for the constituency of Sandwich in 1802, then winning it in 1806.

Sent to Ireland and then Ferrol in 1803 and 1804, Fremantle was given the massive 98-gun HMS Neptune in May 1805 and attached to the Cadiz blockade, ready for Nelson's assumption of command later that year. At the Battle of Trafalgar that October, Neptune was third in Nelson's division. He cut the Combined Fleet shortly after HMS Victory did, and ploughing past the wrecked Bucentaure engaged the massive Santissima Trinidad. The fighting left Neptune with 44 casualties and the outnumbered Spanish ship with over 300. Relatively undamaged, Neptune was able to tow the shattered Victory back to Gibraltar and Fremantle profited by taking the chapel silver from the big Spanish ship, which he used to adorn his home.

Political career
Fremantle spent the next five years in England, as a member of Parliament for Sandwich 1806–1807 and a Lord of the Admiralty (1806–1807), before being posted rear-admiral and taking command in the Adriatic Sea, where he employed the frigate squadrons under him successfully against French-held Italy and Dalmatia. When the French empire surrendered in 1814, the entire Balkan coast surrendered to him with over 800 ships, netting Fremantle a vast fortune. For his services he was made a Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the Bath on 12 April 1815, as well as a baron of the Austrian Empire and later a vice-admiral and, from 1818, the Commander-in-Chief, Mediterranean Fleet. He also received several Austrian and Italian knighthoods and initiation into the Royal Guelphic Order of Hanover. Fremantle died in December 1819 from a sudden illness and was buried at Naples, where his grave can be seen in the Garden of Don Carlo Califano outside the gate of San Gennaro, Naples.

His sons
He had at least four sons; the eldest, Thomas was a politician and succeeded to his father's baronetcy on his death. He was later made Baron Cottesloe for his own services to England. Another son, Charles Fremantle, became the captain of the 26-gun frigate HMS Challenger (1826), the first ship to arrive in a fleet of three ships sent out from Britain to establish a colony at the Swan River in Western Australia. The Australian city of Fremantle is named after him. A third son, William Robert Fremantle, was the Dean of Ripon while his youngest son, Stephen Grenville Fremantle, was captain of HMS Juno (1844) from 1853 to 1858.

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=Archive through April 22, 2005=

Go
Well, I thought that the pictures were showing "traditional go boards"... Jorge Stolfi 06:51, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Tank disambiguation
I am sorry about the Tank article and the Tank (disambiguation). I have corrected the mess and have come up with a nice little article on the Tank, the town itself. Hope you're content with that.

- Arun Reginald 03:39, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Thank you. :-)

Fearless Designs
Haha, don't you just love it when people indignantly accuse you of monitoring recent changes? Keep up the good work! --fvw* 09:02, 2004 Nov 28 (UTC)

I'm surprised you'd create a page like Kimberly Caldwell, with the full text: hello i like your voice ! which I am now about to delete. Or is somebody else using your account to make edits? --Woggly 10:08, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I don't know what happened there. Maybe it was accidentally re-created when I put on a  tag? --Carnildo 10:37, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Never mind then, so long as it wasn't you! --Woggly 11:27, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Special Relativity
Hi Carnildo, I've supported the nomination of Special Relativity for featured article status. Can I ask you about the issue of whether the second postulate has been experimentally verified? There seems to be some confusion on that point, and I saw you reverted another editor's change about it. Could I ask you to provide a reference? That would settle it. I've asked on the Talk page, but received no response. See Verifiability for guidance. Many thanks, Slim 21:00, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)

You are harassing Sollog over his religious beliefs
Look in the mirror and see what you are, you are a religious bigot for HARASSING Sollog by not putting correct info in his article. You must be a real pathetic person to keep calling someone by a name that insults them. Religious names are not to be toyed with. Sollog is Sollog, anyone who calls him Ennis is a religious bigot. Hi bigot. Look in the mirror bigot.
 * Yes, shame on you! Go have a look in a mirror. They're very entertaining, all shiny and everything. *falls off chair laughing* --fvw *  10:42, 2004 Dec 17 (UTC)

 * How very interesting. I don't recall putting anything into the article on Sollog.  I do, however, recall removing a great deal of POV editing and link farming. --Carnildo 20:10, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Image:Goldbergsanta.jpg speedy?
Hi Carnildo,

I noticed you put Image:Goldbergsanta.jpg up for speedy deletion. As far as I can see, it isn't a Candidate, as it isn't redundant. Also, it appears to be actually used by Bill Goldberg. And copyvio isn't a reason for speedy deletion. (Use for that.)

Not that I care about some hokey wrestler, but I just thought I'd mention it.

Dbenbenn 03:25, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * When I put that notice on, the image had been uploaded five minutes earlier, and had been used only to vandalize the article on God. Now that it's used in an actual article, I'll put it up as a suspected copyvio. --Carnildo 04:06, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Cayley-Newbirth operation matrix
I wish I had sufficient math knowledge to pull off a hoax like that. Alas, I don't. So, in the meantime, don't get your panties in a bunch. —ExplorerCDT 13:32, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * If you don't, then 1) Why did you lie about having sources to prove that it wasn't a hoax, and 2) Why did you make comments on the VFD page implying you had created the hoax? --Carnildo 23:02, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I didn't lie, I misread A&S. I did not intend to imply that. So now, leave me alone.—ExplorerCDT 23:13, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

RfC
What were you planning to RfC for, the disinformation, the personal attacks or both? Either way I'll support, but I can only certify for the personal attacks part. --fvw *  18:22, 2004 Dec 26 (UTC)
 * If I decide to go ahead with the RfC, it'll be for both. --Carnildo 20:50, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Replied to you regarding ExplorerCDT at my talk page. -- Dominus 03:02, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Hi Carnildo. You might want to augment your links with the corresponding diffs — things change rapidly on the WP, and even more so on the talk/user pages where the user has announced his intentions to delete comments coming from his opponents. BACbKA 08:33, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * How do you link to a diff between a selected older version and a selected newer version, when the newer version is the current version? Just copying the link will give a diff that is always between the selected old version and the current version. --Carnildo 18:52, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's a known problem, and reasonably hard to fix. Just make a spacing or other non-significant edit, a revision ID doesn't get assigned until it's no longer the current revision. I think it may be time for an ArbCom case on XCDT by the way, his comments on his RFC this morning appears to have opened the way for fasttracking that. I'm just going to finish my watchlist run and then I'll start writing up an RFAr. --fvw *  13:47, 2004 Dec 29 (UTC)
 * Hmm, well that changes things. I suspect he'll just come back with a new username, but I don't think the ArbCom would be willing to hard block his IP(s). Perhaps it's best to just do nothing and ask a devel to check for edits from the IPs used by XCDT in a few weeks. It should be pretty clear to see if he's stopped editing then, and if he hasn't bad faith will be obvious enough for the ArbCom to block. --fvw *  14:53, 2004 Dec 29 (UTC)

MOH recipient list
Carnildo, could you double-check what you did here? Billy Mitchell disappeared; there may be other problems. Blair P. Houghton 00:32, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing it out; that was the only one I missed. --Carnildo 08:32, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * yer welcome; I like the new org, btw Blair P. Houghton 18:37, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Re Barnabas
I spotted your edit:  rm ; seems nicely-linked now .

Yes. I did a lot of wikifying, but only in the top third. I did a bit too much I reckon :-).

I also plan to do some layout etc. to what is a pretty incomprehensible rambling article. Best rgds Peter Hitchmough 20:35, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Okay sorry for that you're right.-Flyingcheese 23:51, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

AI
Hi I noticed that you reverted some changes in the Amnesty international page. Unfortunately, any changes entered in that section are quickly reverted by JayJg... with no explanation, except to state that all entries are POV... little by little he then reverts everything to his own version.

I wonder how wikipedia put up with this tendentious and biased character. Kind rgds Otto dia

 * You might want to refer to Requests for comment/Everyking and Requests for arbitration/Everyking to see how other incidents of someone claiming ownership of an article have been handled. --Carnildo 18:18, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Simpson debacle part 17...
Hi, just to let you know I asked for opinions on a sentence you restored after my most recent edit of the autobiography album - I'm of the opinion it's worth taking out again but interested to know your thoughts: see Talk:Autobiography (Ashlee Simpson album). Cheers - Worldtraveller 14:44, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Images unsuitable for inline display
Hi. FYI, I put an equivalent bulk vote on the main listings page rather than the discussion page. -- SGBailey 09:38, 2005 Feb 2 (UTC)

Comment Removal
Please don't bite me! The comment removal was completely inadvertant! I was actually working on re-inserting the comments when I got your message. I was editing through jedit you see, and as I'm a n00b at using it, that wasn't going so well. With that edit all I *thought* I was doing was adding an extra line between my comment and the next heading... apparently not. I can assure you that such atrocities will not happen in future. I'd be just as mad if someone had done it to me. I apologise and ask forgiveness. Thank you for your time. [[User:Consequencefree| Ardent † ∈ ]] 10:14, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Belief
Your edit summary involved an odd claim, which I've occasionally seen before. The verb believe doesn't mean having unsupported faith; to believe something is to hold that it's true. For example, I believe that I'm sitting here typing at a computer; I also believe that Einstein is dead, and that cricket is a more interesting game than baseball. Those three beliefs have different justifications (the first is empirical, the second is based on reliable authority, the last is personal experience and taste), and while the first two are objectively true or false, the last is subjective.

In other words, believe is neutral, whereas judge adds a further claim about how the belief was reached. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 09:27, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Stop Reverting my Edits!!
Why did you remove Constantine Cavafy from the list of Egyptian poets and Marco of Alexandria from the list of Painters and poets and added again the insignificant MTM group that hasn't survived even a year so far!?!?

Stop vandalizing my edits without good reason; you have done it often, don't make me feel its personal! Omar Filini 12:17, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

P.S. Constantine Cavafy already has a page on Wikipedia, so I guess it makes him notable. And although for some obscure reason Marco's page got deleted. The validity of him being an artist living in Egypt has been proved on a number of pages on google search; so even if there was a close vote on deleting a article about him, it doesnt mean he cannot be on the list???

 * Marco's page was deleted by the VfD procedure as being non-notable, so a redlink to him in the List of Egyptians is not appropriate, and "List of" articles are usually used as a way of organizing Wikipedia's articles, so external links are inappropriate for them. --Carnildo 19:40, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * This doesn't make any sense because he exists and is notable, and I really dont understand why the page got deleted, anyway if this is the logic then every item on any list that doesnt have a page on wikipedia should be deleted!! You didnt explain why removed cavafy from the list? I know that Marco exists and is more notable than and as notable as most people on that list! so I will add his name again with no links if those bother you. Omar Filini 23:51, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * As proven by the information on his website Marco of Alexandria is an existing exhibited artist living in Alexandria, Egypt. I have added many names of Painters, Artists and Businessmen who are less prominent than Marco. The fact that his page got deleted through Vfd last month was apparantly due to the fact that Dr Ali had an online squabble with the person who initiated the vote (dont remember the name); the latter subsequently got all his editor friends to go specifically to that page to vote delete (when they otherwise would not have) most notable of those editor friends was Jerzy who had discussed with the initiator his progres in deleting on the latter's talk page. Anyway I don't care if Dr Ali is a goon or an internet illiterate guy; what matters here is that you are vandalizing my edits!!! I believe that the Vfd was to delete his page and NOT to ban his name from appearing on wikipedia; Also I believe that after a while the page can be rewritten. So your Vfd argument makes no sense and is confined only to the page that has already been deleted.

 * A Google search for Marco of Alexandria as a painter gives the following 56 results: his website, his deviantart page, a number of web directory entries for his website, and a number of Wikipedia mirrors. A Google search for him as a poet gives even less: seven Wikipedia mirrors, a hit for someone else, and a quarterly poetry magazine published in, of all places, Seattle.  That's hardly sufficient to establish notability.  For the purposes of Wikipedia, the VfD vote is sufficient to establish non-notability.  --Carnildo 21:08, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Well if he is published in a quarterly poetry magazine from seattle then that would surely make him notable in the USA. Anyway the results of the google hits you just described above are surely more than the results google would yield if you enter ANY other name on either the painters or the poets lists on that page, but many of those names I entered myself and I know of their notability first-hand from attending exhibitions and poetry reading sessions in Egypt ... They are not however available online for one simple reason; Egypt isnt a strong SOURCE for online information mainly because of the language barrier. The only person you would find by googling would be Cavafy ...  Anyway, maybe at his current internet salience level Marco's page may not have passed the VfD, but certainly he merits being on both the List of Egyptian Painters and the list of Egyptian Poets for the reasons you had just mentioned above. Have a great day Omar Filini

 * A spot check shows that the painters on the list are averaging 250 or so Google hits each. --Carnildo 02:47, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Featured article candidates/Great Lakes Storm of 1913
Regarding the formatting, the current version looks fine on Mozilla 1.7.5. screenshot here. Maybe you need to clear your cache? If the problem is fixed (either by clearing cache or updating to 1.7.5), post a reply at the FAC page letting everyone know. Thanks. -- brian0918 ™  01:11, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I've posted a rather in-depth reply on the FAC page about what's happening with looks. --Carnildo 09:02, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the research. I've replaced the table with a short list and rearranged the pictures.  The problem should now be fixed. If it is satisfactory, please support the article and strike-out your objection. Thanks. -- brian0918  ™  18:00, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Editing polls
Editing polls while in progress isn't unheard of--ArbCom does it all the time. It can be a bit dodgy when it's an open poll (which ArbCom polls are not), so Cantus was perhaps a little bit naughty. I don't think it's a big deal. He's usually a nice chap, I'm sure the best thing to do is just discuss your concerns with him. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 01:34, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * If a poll option has been changed, there is no obvious way of telling it other than for someone who is involved to come back and see that it isn't the same, by which point other people may have voted for the changed option, leading to a rather incredible mess. In the case of the ArbCom, they generally inform each other of changes; I saw no effort to do so in the Autofellatio case. --Carnildo 04:53, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Could you update the Autobiography album chart image? We're three weeks behind now. I've been adding the updates into the table on the image page. Everyking 01:54, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * I'll get to it this evening. --Carnildo 03:01, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Killian
As you have recently expressed interest in this article, please see Talk:Killian_documents. Wolfman 18:39, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

requests for comment/138.130.194.229
Hello, thanks for your recent pro-science vote on the talk page of RNA World. The anon user continues to vandalize the page however, so we've begun a RfC page. Your input would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. please see requests for comment/138.130.194.229--Deglr6328 19:58, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

requests for comment/Stude62
Thanks for your comment on requests for comment/Stude62. A neutral point is always appreciated. Could you please place the same comment for user:Metheso on the page whose first and only edit is on the page above. I find it fishy but I do not want to comment since my views on who is right and wrong in the disputes on the page are well known to the other parties involved. Thanks. Rananim 22:01, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Senkaku Islands
Found this: (see Feb 9, 2005) Current events in Hong Kong and Macao. Davenbelle 09:11, Feb 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * Japanese government announces it will take over a lighthouse set up by a right-wing youth group on Diaoyu Tai / Tiaoyutai / Senkaku Islands. CRHK
 * That's the way it was before User:Mdeering edited it. --Carnildo 09:26, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I just thought it interesting; the lighthouse bit might have somehow been his motivation for the changes. Davenbelle 09:29, Feb 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * Reacting to the triple naming of the place would explain why he was so insistent on speedy-deleting all the redirects. --Carnildo 22:28, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Proxy Editing
Thanks for you response on Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy), Carnildo. I'd be interested in knowing more about this proxy edit precendent you mentioned. For example, would they count in a breach of the 3RR? How would I go about dealing with an editor using proxy editors? --Axon 04:18, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Image suppression
Hi Carnildo I see your Descriptive image tagging proposal is very similar to End-user image suppression and Potentially offensive images. I think a merger and redirect might be in order. Come discuss at Wikimedia:Talk:Potentially offensive images. —Christiaan 21:17, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism/disruption by GerardM
Because of GerardMs disruption and as one who has contributed to End-user image suppression or related articles, perhaps you would like to add your comments, endorsement or otherwise to Requests_for_comment/GerardM. —Christiaan 15:59, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * You have been informed of this RfC but apparently GerardM has not. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 13:20, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Return of the Untagged Image project
You were kind enough to contribute to the Untagged images project; I beg to draw your attention to part 2 of the project - there are about 12,000 more images in need of tagging. Any assistance you could provide would be most welcome. thanks --Tagishsimon (talk)

Goatse.cx external links
Why have you enabled the external links on Goatse.cx that link to hello.jpg? It has been a long-standing policy on this and other similar articles to not enable such links, and provide a nowiki-version of the URL. Could you point me to a place where this practice has been discussed and overturned? - Mark 07:31, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * There was a brief discussion about this in the poll about inlining a screenshot of the goatse page, and nobody objected to making the links live. --Carnildo 07:46, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

-kinesis
I was just trying to figure out what to do with all those. Thank you. If you don't mind a bit more work, there's also atmokinesis. --Paul A 04:25, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for pointing that out. --Carnildo 04:31, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your support on WP:RFA. – ABCD 03:15, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Once again, thanks. – ABCD 02:52, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Your vote regarding autofellatio.jpg
Greetings, Mark. I was counting up the votes to see where we currently stand on the vote. I'm having trouble interpreting your vote. You said: "Keep if it isn't a copyvio." The trouble is, that's a highly contested question. Some claim that the image is absolutely a copyvio; others claim it's not. Images of the same actor performing the same act have been found on pay-sites, but that exact image has not been found. How should I count your vote? As keep, or delete, or neither? Thanks, – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 19:12, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * It should be counted as a "keep". --Carnildo 20:41, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
Hey Carnildo, thanks for voting for me in my adminship nomination. I very much appreciate your support. Best, SlimVirgin 02:28, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)

Oh! Mr. Porter! VFD
Hi there--

Another user and I have done a rewrite of the Oh! Mr Porter! article in the hopes of making it worthy of keeping. I'm wondering if you'd take a look at the new article, and reconsider your vote to delete it. Thanks!

Best wishes, Jacobw 18:49, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Autofellatio vote
Greetings. I'm contacting you because you voted to keep Image:Autofellatio.jpg, but you indicated that part of your reasoning was because the image was not demonstrated to be a copyright violation. Someone recently found the image on http://www.wowboy.com/welcome.htm, a porn pay site, with the notice "© WowBoy 2001-2004, All rights reserved". I don't know if this changes your vote or not, but I thought you might want to know. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 02:27, Mar 27, 2005 (UTC)

Rod McKuen
Hi. I didn't merge in the info from the other article because it smells supiciously like a copyvio, though I can't find it. RickK 05:20, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)

 * I couldn't find anything either, and it was somewhat wikified, which is why I decided to merge it. --Carnildo 05:31, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hi!
Care to explain User:Carnildo/watchlist? Thanks! --Santa's Little Helper 03:36, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Just a list of accounts I'm keeping track of for one reason or another. Care to explain who you are a sockpuppet of? --Carnildo 04:06, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I was almost positive that he was a sockpuppet of User:Everyking, but their IPs are 160 miles apart. The fact that he's asking you to "explain" your watchlist indicates some prior knowledge of Wikipedia, and his contributions so far (exclusively to Ashlee Simpson articles) indicate that he is probably not someone who used Wikipedia regularly and just decided to get an account. Conclusion: sockpuppet. :)  brian0918  ™  04:21, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * That's what I figured too. The fact that he even found my watchlist -- 45 minutes after I created it, and with nothing linking to it -- means he's either watching my contributions, or doing RC patrol. --Carnildo 05:23, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I clicked on What Links Here, you silly stalker, you 8-) --Santa's Little Helper 05:39, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, it's not Everyking, I don't think. I had someone check the IPs of Everyking and this person when they made edits at the same time, and they were at different IPs, 100+ miles apart.  So, either EK is doing some clever trickery (doubtful), or this account is someone elses sockpuppet :)   brian0918  ™  06:03, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Hey, I can be in two places at once, you know. Physics don't mean nothing to me. Everyking 06:11, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Edit summary
Sorry about that. I meant to put an edit summary (as you can see if you check the history of phase diagram when I merged in stuff), but on phase (matter) I hit the return key and submitted it, and by then it was too late. —Lowellian (talk) 09:41, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)

Autofellatio pic
I just wanted to mention that thanks to your undeletion of Image:Autofellatio 2.jpg, the autofellatio vandalbot was able to post it to a few dozen articles today. Good work :) Adam Bishop 17:38, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * You're welcome ;) I re-uploaded it since the deletion was against consensus. --Carnildo 19:20, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thank you for supporting my nomination on RfA, it failed because of Wikipedia's minority rule system, although I thought 21/8 support was sufficient. It was also cut short by 12 hours. But your vote of confidence is greatly appreciated, now let's build an encyclopedia! --Bjarki 13:51, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Forgotten sig
Hey Carnildo... If you're still awake, check your vote on Crescent School, the signature didn't carry over. -R
 * Thanks. :-)

Enjoyed your sig
Just say your "new" sig on the Village Pump—very amusing. I especially liked how you gave yourself a featured article star and how "Talk" led to your user page. — Knowledge Seeker দ 08:34, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you liked it :-) --Carnildo 08:37, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Civility Please
Please respect other peoples right to have a chance to discuss their project. If you want to be sarcastic, use discussion page. Preferably I dont want to hear it. Wait for the voting and vote no if you still dont like the project. --Cool Cat My Talk 09:56, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Anon nonsense
I add no nonsense. All I add is in my estimate factually correct.
 * Posted by 4.248.237.153

 * Adding a line about intestine-rupturing flatulence to Le Pétomane with the summary "corrected minor typos" seems like nonsense to me. If you can back that up with a reference to a work somewhere, then you can put it back in. --Carnildo 02:43, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Sorry, I mislabeled the edit; most of my edits are corrections of minor issues such as that. The edit here is in fact detailed in "Who Cut the Cheese?  A Social History of the Fart"  If you think this is not a real book, do a search, you will soon find out it is a real book, in fact.  Even if you dispute the accuracy of my claims (which I do NOT agree with) I would appreciate that you do not discribe my contributions as "nonsense".

 * as for the "unsourced" comment, much on the wikipedia is unsourced, as is virtually the entire petomane article, so please do not be so snide and arrogant.

 * Also you seem to know nothing of this matter, you just accuse me of "nonsense" based on nothing more than a wild guess. While not an expert I have studied this matter and feel able to make some comments on it.

 * I just checked your source. As far as I can tell, it says nothing about the manner of his death. --Carnildo 02:57, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I do not know how "print google" works, but nor do I have proof that you have used it to retrieve the work in question.

Do you actually posess, on your person, at this time, the book in question? I find that highly improbable, and consider what you are doing nothing more than wiki-bullying me. I think you are lying and do not have the book at all. Nothing else in this article is exhaustively sourced. In any event, what i mention is on page 87 of the book. Since I have it and you dont, I consider myself more qualified to speak of this than you. It is also wrong of you to lie about this, that you could come to posess the book within minutes of this exchange is extremely unlikely.

 * http://print.google.com/ is scanned pages from a very large number of books. Page 87 of "Who Cut the Cheese? A Cultural History of the Fart" contains a number of fart jokes. --Carnildo 03:09, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

This "print google" you mention only features public domain works. As your link itself states

"you can view the entirety of public domain books or, for books under copyright, just a few pages or in some cases, only the title’s bibliographic data and brief snippets)"

So I am forced to conclude that you are lying. You dont have the text at your ready and are lyign to me.

 * As the link itself states, and you yourself quoted, "or, for books under copyright, just a few pages". Try the following link: .  It's page 87.  I can't guarentee it'll work -- Google may have tied that address to my computer or something to prevent me from reading the entire book -- but it's the page I'm looking at. --Carnildo 03:16, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I do not know what you see, I cnanot in fact see anything on this page, all pages are blank or display errors. Nor do I know which edition of the book is used, if it works at all.

Well, I already conceded making an exhaustive sourcing, but I stand by the view that my source was true and my edit was factually accurate, and for diplomacy's sake I agree not to contest further reversions of my edit.

And despite this, just to be arrogant and impolite, you decide to describe the edits as "nonsense" one final time. No need to be a jerk.

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Andromeda

Andromeda most commonly refers to:
 * Andromeda (mythology), a princess from Greek mythology
 * Andromeda (constellation), a region of the Earth's night sky
 * The Andromeda Galaxy, an astronomical object within the constellation

Andromeda may also refer to:

Fine art

 * Andromeda Chained to the Rocks, a 1631 painting by Rembrandt
 * Andromeda (Rodin), an 1889 sculpture by Auguste Rodin

Literature

 * Andromeda (play), lost mythological tragedy by Euripides from 412 BC
 * Andromeda (novel), 1957 science fiction novel by Ivan Yefremov
 * The Andromeda Strain, 1969 techno-thriller novel by Michael Crichton
 * The Andromeda Evolution, 2019 science fiction novel by Daniel H. Wilson, sequel to The Andromeda Strain

Music

 * Andromeda (English band), a 1960s psychedelic rock band from Britain, or their eponymous debut album
 * Andromeda (Swedish band), a 2000s progressive metal band from Sweden
 * Love Outside Andromeda, a 2000s indie rock band from Australia, initially simply, Andromeda
 * Andromeda, 2010 EP by Erra
 * Andromeda, 1982 album by Harry Thumann
 * "Andromeda" (Gorillaz song)
 * "Andromeda" (Elodie song)
 * "Andromeda", a song by Chicane from Behind the Sun
 * "Andromeda", a 2012 song by Dethklok from Dethalbum III
 * "Andromeda", a 2002 song by Hopesfall from The Satellite Years
 * "Andromeda", a 2009 song by Omega Lithium from Dreams in Formaline
 * "Andromeda", a 2014 song by Dance with the Dead
 * "Andromeda" (Weyes Blood song)
 * "Andromeda", a song by Canadian rock band Zuckerbaby
 * Andromeda, 1905 dramatic cantata for soloists, chorus and orchestra by English composer Cyril Rootham
 * Andromeda, 1886 cantata for the Three Choirs Festival by English composer Charles Harford Lloyd
 * "Andromède", 1883 symphonic poem written by French composer Augusta Holmès

Other artistic works

 * Andromeda (TV series), science fiction series created by Gene Roddenberry
 * Mass Effect: Andromeda, the fourth installment in the main Mass Effect series released in 2017

Fictional characters

 * Andromeda (Marvel Comics), female, Atlantian, mermaid-like character in the Marvel Universe
 * Andromeda (Pantheon), more obscure, female Marvel Comics character
 * Andromeda Shun, male Bronze Saint character in the Saint Seiya universe
 * Andromeda Tonks, a character in the Harry Potter series of novels and films
 * Laurel Gand, female Legion of Super-Heroes member in the DC Comics Universe
 * Andromeda, a female character in the 2011 first-person shooter video game Conduit 2
 * Andromeda, a female character in the Disney animated TV series Big City Greens

Botany

 * Andromeda (plant) (bog rosemary), a small, slender shrub native to Northern peat bogs
 * Colloquially, Pieris (fetterbushes), several large, broad-leafed, mountain shrubs

People

 * Andrómeda, Mexican professional wrestler
 * Cassandro, Mexican professional wrestler, used the ring name Andrómeda in their early career
 * Andromeda Dunker, narrator of House Hunters

Ships

 * HMS Andromeda, several warships of the Royal Navy
 * Andromeda (1819), a 408-ton English ship
 * Andromeda-class attack cargo ship

Other uses

 * Andromeda (wine), produced by California winemaker Sean Thackrey
 * Andromeda (Chinese astronomy)

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Talk:Batman Returns

claims of best
The claims that the film is one of the best superhero and sequels ever is not verified with these sources. Each source is just an opinion article no critical poll or anything just listicles — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaszen (talk • contribs) 19:28, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * How have you had that many discussions at The Dark Knight Rises and you still don't understand reliable sources? These are not claims being made in the lead either. Do not remove sourced content on a whim again when you've been told not to without a discussion. Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 19:40, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * These sources aren’t enough for a claim one of the of the best sequels ever. It’s just lists why do these count but the other lists don’t ? Jaszen (talk) 19:42, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * So if it’s not in the lead that’s ok then? Jaszen (talk) 19:43, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * On The Dark Knight Rises you were consistently looking for an excuse to add to the lead that it was one of the greatest films ever or to over inflate its legacy. You have been informed multiple times about reliable sources, that you can't use things such as IMDb or Ladbible also. There are a high number of reliable sources backing up the claim of it being one of the best superhero films and explanations why also in the article to support that stance. That you felt it appropriate to remove about 10 references on a whim instead of discussing it first is derogatory to the work done here by myself to find those sources and others who have copy edited or contributed to it since. Batman Returns is not even my favorite Batman film but it's legacy is undeniable as is its cultural influence and the iconic status of many aspects of the film. That is why it has reliable sources backing it up and TDKR doesn't. Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 19:48, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * 10 lists that aren’t critics aren’t enough for a claim of best superhero ever. Batman returns is on no list from critics. Neither rotten tomatoes or metacritic have returns in the top. I’m going from batman film to film and applying the same basis by which rises article was removed. All I’m doing is being consistent Jaszen (talk) 19:52, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * For claims that returns is one of the best sequels you have empire vulture and a rotten tomatoes list which doesn’t even have it in the top 30 how is that enough? Jaszen (talk) 19:59, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * The Rotten Tomatoes list is based on critical reception score. There are also thousands of sequels, being named in the top 100 is notable when its by reliable sources, and the statement is that it is considered one of the best sequels. If it said the best sequel, among the top 3 sequels ever made, then yes that sourcing wouldn't be enough. You've had about 5 pages worth of discussions about this at the Dark Knight Rises, which is why I said start a discussion at WikiProject Film so you can get other opinions because I'm obviously not going to agree with you. Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 20:12, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * You understand why I think it’s weird that this rotten tomatoes list is good here but not on the other page right ? I think the list should be valid on both pages Jaszen (talk) 22:53, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * In your opinion would that list be viable for rises as well? Jaszen (talk) 22:58, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * It would be dependant on how you phrase it. Can you use that source alone and say "one of the greatest sequels", no, if you were to say "On Rotten Tomatoes, The Dark Knight Rises is listed as the 75th highest critically rated sequel film based on aggregated review score" or something similar. Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 14:15, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * On the list batman returns comes in at 95th also the empire list is a duplicate 1 should be removed the older one Jaszen (talk) 22:43, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * The other list with the top 101 sequels has returns at 42 so that plus rotten tomatoes at 95 doesn’t seem sufficient for best sequels ever right? Jaszen (talk) 22:50, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * The best sequels ever part should be removed agreed? Jaszen (talk) 18:21, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * If I don't reply it doesn't mean I agree with you, it means I'm tired of this discussion and it's going nowhere. The two Empire sources are not the same source, they're the same magazine but different lists for different purposes. It's in the top 20 on both Empire sources and top 50 on the 101 list and again these are reliable sources. Please don't extend this discussion further without getting input from others because I'm not going to agree with you. Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 18:35, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film or Requests for comment Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 19:27, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

 * So if I also don’t think the claims hold up I should request for comment? Jackolick (talk) 00:02, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Should Batman returns have be regarded as one of the best Batman films, superhero films and sequels ever on its legacy page ? For Batman films there’s been only around 10 live action films so that should be far too few to say it’s one of the best. For both best superhero films or sequels most of its sources are list from websites no single consensus from critics and the sources it uses are mostly outside of the top 20 such as this source from rotten tomatoes l this source has it as the 95th best sequel ever which is nowhere near a good enough source that it’s one of the best ever or this source which has it has the 41st sequel.Coop14677 (talk) 17:22, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it probably should, the reader should be able to evaluate the sources and work it out. H i ding T 11:53, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Initiator has been blocked as a sock of a disruptive CIR user who has repeatedly pushed these sorts of claims in the past. Procedurally removing the RfC tag unless another editor would like to restart discussion. InfiniteNexus (talk) 05:51, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

a question
is it necessary to add Category:Rating controversies in film as part of the film's category due in large to its marketing and even international releases like UK? 2600:8801:3:D800:E1C5:5FE6:78BB:BEA5 (talk) 19:09, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Added Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 19:47, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Owen Glieberman link
please change ((Owen Glieberman)) to ((Owen Gleiberman)) 2601:541:4580:8500:D8F:C2AB:A3AC:3C83 (talk) 13:42, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  14:38, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

based on
Here Batman (1989 film) we can read: Based on

Characters by DC Comics Batman by       Bob Kane Bill Finger[a]

In this article (Batman Returns) we can read:

Based on

Batman characters created by Bob Kane and published by DC Comics[a]

this does not fit together. The name Bill Finger should be here as well. Qwertzu111111 (talk) 19:54, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * That's not how it's credited, that's what the note is for. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 20:06, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * thanks for your answer. With Batman, Catwoman, Penguin we have three characters in this movie wich are all created by Bill Finger and Bob Kane. But here we can only read "Batman characters created by Bob Kane". This is not true - even if we have a footnote. --Qwertzu111111 (talk) 09:15, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It was true at the time, that is how the credits were given. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 09:32, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * By 1992, it was also official that Penguin and Catwoman were from Bill Finger and Bob Kane. -Qwertzu111111 (talk) 10:21, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Where is the information that it was official? Darkwarriorblake (talk) 10:52, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Introduction Information
I feel like the paragraph before the plot is too detailed the current one is this::

After the relative failure of Batman Returns, Burton was replaced as director of the third film, Batman Forever (1995), with Joel Schumacher, to take the series in a family-friendly direction. Keaton chose not to reprise his role, disagreeing with Schumacher's vision. Batman Forever and its sequel, Batman & Robin (1997), fared less well critically, with the latter being considered one of the worst superhero films ever made and stalled the Batman film franchise until the series reboot, Batman Begins (2005). Batman Returns has been reassessed as one of the best Batman films in the decades since its release, and its incarnations of Catwoman and Penguin are considered iconic. A comic book, Batman '89 (2021), continued the narrative of the original two Burton films, and Keaton reprised his version of Batman in the DC Extended Universe film The Flash (2023).

I feel like it should be changed to::

After the relative failure of Batman Returns, Burton was replaced as director of the third film, Batman Forever (1995), with Joel Schumacher, to and its sequel Batman & Robin (1997) A comic book, Batman '89 (2021), continued the narrative of the original two Burton films, and Keaton reprised his version of Batman in the DC Extended Universe film The Flash (2023).

Some of that information is relevant yes, but I feel it would be better in a section below titled "Future", "Franchise" or sequels. T-ZER0 (talk) 20:30, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Reads like an essay by a fan.
The text lacks encyclopedic tone. There seems to be a focus on praising the work, rather than documenting praise given by others. Much is repeated, which is hard to forgive in something this long. I propose a cleanup, starting with removing repeated assertions. Sterlingjones (talk) 21:45, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Well I wrote it and I'm kind of mid on it, but it's always a successful discourse when you open your discussion by being rude. Do you have an example of repeated assertions? Darkwarriorblake (talk) 21:56, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, re-reading it, you don't make any sense, it's a neutral document of the film with a critical reception section describing it as polarizing. There's no "focus on praising the work", you need to be clearer in what your problem is rather than a) being rude, and b) giving no examples of anything. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 22:03, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Am I to understand from your reply that you are the sole author of this article, that you feel a sense of ownership over it, and that my comments have offended you personally because you value objectivity and honestly believe that the text you have presented reads like an encyclopedia? Sterlingjones (talk) 00:53, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Are you going to contribute anything of use? Darkwarriorblake (talk) 12:54, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
 * You started your replies to me with the assertion that my observation that the articles tone is wrong is "being rude". You have gone on to establish an adversarial tone in this dialogue.  I am not interested in working on improving this article if you are telling me in advance that you think it's perfect as it is and are going to revert any changes made.  But as an example, let's start with the first paragraph.  The first two sentences provide meta information about the film.  The third and fourth sentences contain plot summary.  The fifth sentence lists cast members.  This is not an example of proper paragraph structure.  @https://www.grammarly.com/blog/paragraph-structure/
 * The second paragraph belongs in the Production section and lacks citations.
 * The third paragraph contains statements belonging in Marketing and Reception, and again lacks citations.
 * The fourth paragraph contains statements belonging in Modern Reception and Sequels. It also is written in persuasive style rather than expository...i.e. "Batman Returns has been reassessed as one of the best Batman films in the decades since its release, and its incarnations of Catwoman and Penguin are considered iconic."  It seems that the writer is trying to convince the reader on a personal level that Batman Returns is a "good" movie.  Such things aren't the job of an expository essay.  Also, in order for the citations provided to support the notion presented, the reader has to understand the word "iconic" as meaning "good".  Since that's not what "iconic" means, it causes the credibility of the article to falter.  And again, it lacks citations, forcing the reader to find citations in later sections in order to discover the source of the assertion.  Finally, the appeal to a faceless third party in the summary where it says "has been reassessed" implies consensus has been reached among the critical community, which is not the case and can therefore be considered deceptive.Sterlingjones (talk) 19:10, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
 * You established an adversarial tone with your section title. You seem to be talking about the lede, which is a summary of the body text and doesn't need citations. It's standard across every article and is meant to be in 4 paragraphs so it's not possible or plausible to break the intro, cast, and plot into separate paragraphs. This is, again, standard. Anything in the lede is present and sourced in the body text, so if the distinct thing about those characters is that they're considered iconic, and it's undeniable that they are, particularly this version of Catwoman, then that's what the lede would summarize. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 19:18, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

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Sharon Hayes

Sharon Ruth Hayes (born January 15, 1948) is a former Canadian politician. She served as the member of Parliament for the riding of Port Moody—Coquitlam from 1993 to 1997 as a member of the Reform Party of Canada.

Early life and education
Hayes was born January 15, 1948, in Toronto, Ontario. She graduated with a degree in math and computer science from the University of Waterloo; while enrolled there, she worked as a co-op student with the Toronto Stock Exchange and IBM. After graduation, she worked as a program analyst at the University of Guelph and then as a sessional instructor in computer science at Simon Fraser University.

Hayes married Douglas Hayes in 1970. She has two daughters.

Political career
In the 1993 federal election, Hayes was elected to represent the riding of Port Moody—Coquitlam, defeating the incumbent, Ian Waddell of the New Democratic Party (NDP). As one of 52 Reform MPs, she served as Chair of the party's Family Caucus and critic on Human Rights and Status of Women. She was assistant critic for Health (1995-'96) and Human Resources (1997), and a member of the Standing Committees on Health (1994-'97), Citizenship and Immigration (1994-'96) and Human Rights (1996-'97), and of the sub-Committee on HIV/AIDS (1994-'96). While in office, Hayes joined many of her Reform colleagues in donating 10% of their salary to charity and opting out of the MP pension plan.

Hayes was best known as a socially conservative advocate for family issues. She crafted the RPC's response to parliamentary initiatives on family and the definition of family, age of consent, Child Care Tax Credit, corporal punishment and the Unified Family Court. She was an advocate for the rights of the disabled, and prompted a change to the compassionate airfare policy for Air Canada. Hayes also sponsored a rally in 1994 in Coquitlam of an estimated 2,000 persons to press for changes to the Young Offenders Act.

She was a member of the Canadian Delegation to the Fourth UN Conference for Women in Beijing in 1995, but left early to protest what she called (in an essay published in the Globe and Mail on Sept. 15, 1995) the conference's pre-ordained, anti-family agenda. She had also stirred controversy for issuing a press release on her House of Commons letterhead calling on Liberal ministers attending the conference to reject "Chinese government policies that endorse the mandated one-child policy, the murder of inmates for body parts and the alleged consumption of human fetuses as health food." Writing on her personal blog in 2011, Hayes apologized to those offended by the health food release, noting, "Thankfully, there has been no evidence of the truth of that story since that time." She explained that she had not intended for the release to be made public, and, "In no way did I intend to discredit any nationality or group of people then or since."

Hayes was also a speaker at the first World Congress of Families, organized by the Rockford Institute, in Prague in 1997. She was appointed co-chair of the RPC's Family Campaign, along with Chuck Stahl, leading up to the 1997 general election. Even though her husband, Doug, was in a coma from a massive brain hemorrhage when the election was called and she was able to campaign very little, she was reelected. However, she resigned four months later to care for her ailing husband after his condition deteriorated. Prime Minister Jean Chrétien, Opposition Leader Preston Manning, Bloc Québécois leader Gilles Duceppe, and NDP spokesman Bill Blaikie all praised her in the House following her resignation announcement.

Post-political career
A past board member at Trinity Western University and Focus on the Family Canada, Hayes currently sits on the board of Affordable Housing Societies.

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Navarro Networks

Navarro Networks, Inc., was a developer of Ethernet-based ASIC components based in Plano, Texas, in the United States. They produced a network processor for Ethernet and other applications.

Navarro Networks was founded in 2000. Their CEO was Mark Bluhm, who was formerly a vice president at Cyrix. A group of nine employees left the Cyrix division of Via on March 21, 2000 to staff the company. The employee walkout had occurred just a day after Via announced that they would be spinning off the Cyrix division as a separate company.

Cisco Systems announced their intent to acquire Navarro Networks in May 1, 2002; on the same day, Cisco also announced their bid to acquire Hammerhead Networks. The acquisition was completed in June that year, with Cisco dealing Navarro a stock swap worth $85 million. Most of the 25 employees of Navarro joined the Internet Systems Business Unit to enhance Cisco's internal ASIC capability in Ethernet switching platforms.

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Helena (My Chemical Romance song)

"Helena" (sometimes titled "Helena (So Long & Goodnight)" on digital retailers such as iTunes ) is a song by American rock band My Chemical Romance from their second studio album Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge (2004). It was released to radio stations as the third single from the album on March 8, 2005. The song is featured on the soundtrack for the 2005 film remake of House of Wax and plays during the full credits. The song was named after Gerard and Mikey Way’s grandmother, Elena Lee Rush.

Reception
"Helena" was released to radio on March 8, 2005. The single has become a moderately-selling hit, both in the US and internationally. Way stated in an interview with Channel V that the main influence behind "Helena" was from the song "Aces High" by Iron Maiden and tracks by The Ventures. This song is also My Chemical Romance's sixth overall single. Way described it as representing the band's image and sound, and as such it was often used to end the band's shows. The single was certified as a Gold record in the United States. Despite charting lower than their prior hit, "I'm Not Okay (I Promise)" on the Billboard Modern Rock Tracks chart peaking at number four where "Helena" peaked at number 11, "Helena" was the band's first crossover hit crossing over to Top 40 radio at number 33 on the Billboard Hot 100 chart and it also still had more airplay on alternative rock stations.

NME declared that the song was one of the "20 Greatest Goth Tracks" and that it was "a pivotal moment in cross-fertilising goth with emo" and that "MCR spawned a hybrid that ensured black clothes and eyeliner became, once again, teenage rebellion's default setting".  Variety ranked it as one of the best emo songs of all time in 2022.

Music video
The music video was shot on-location in the Immanuel Presbyterian Church on Wilshire Boulevard in Los Angeles, California, directed by Marc Webb, and choreographed by Michael Rooney. The video has a simple plot, with Gerard Way as a very emotional mourner at a funeral where the band is performing. There are also mourners who dance and mourn the death of Helena. Near the end, the dead body of Helena (played by actress and dancer Tracy Phillips, daughter of NFL coach Wade Phillips) rises and dances down the nave representing crossing over into the afterlife. After she falls back into the casket, the pallbearers (also played by My Chemical Romance and a fan named Cameron) carry the casket to the hearse (in the pouring rain), surrounded by a phalanx of dancing men and women with umbrellas.

Though the song in general is about the band members Gerard Way and Mikey Way's late grandmother, it was stated in an interview that the video told a different story. The music video shows the funeral of a girl, who, according to Gerard Way, died tragically (possibly in a car crash, with the line in the bridge of the song, "When both our cars collide." Which also has links to the final track on I Brought You My Bullets, You Brought Me Your Love which follows the story of the Demolition Lovers who are travelling in car “And I would drive on to the end with you” which the story also follows in Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge.) The sixth pallbearer and the majority of the mourners are fans who'd received emails from the band asking if they'd like to be in the video.

During the "Making of..." video, found as a bonus on the Life on the Murder Scene CD and DVD, it was noted that Frank Iero, while joking about being "4'9"", didn't actually carry any weight of the casket, and that it rested on the other band members and their sixth pallbearer to carry the weight. Also noted was that the rain used in the sequence between the church and the hearse wasn't planned for, but the director used it to his advantage, as it set the mood of a funeral.

The video was nominated for five Moonmen at the 2005 MTV Video Music Awards: Best Rock Video, Best Choreography, Best New Artist, and the MTV2 and Viewer's Choice Awards (both of which are chosen by viewers). They lost to bands such as Green Day, Fall Out Boy, and The Killers. Though the band did not win any awards, they did do a surprise performance of the song towards the end of the show. They also won an MTV Video Music Awards Latin America "tongue" for the Best New Artist – International. They also won a Best Video award in the 2005 Kerrang! Awards. In November 2005, the video was nominated for two MTVU Woodie Awards (voted on by college students) and won the Woodie of the Year. In the Philippines, Helena has reached a cult-like status because of the popularity of alternative music.

The video was also voted number one by viewers of MTV Latinamerica in the 2005 "100 Most Wanted Videos" and was named the seventeenth best music video of the 21st century since 2000 by Billboard on July 24, 2018.

The video was uploaded to YouTube on October 22, 2006.

Equipment

 * Ray Toro's Ebony Epiphone Les Paul Elitist.
 * Frank Iero's 'Pansy' Ivory Epiphone Les Paul Elitist.
 * Mikey Way's Candy Apple Red Fender Precision Bass.
 * Bob Bryar's C&C Custom drumkit

Credits and personnel

 * Gerard Way – lead vocals, backing vocals, songwriting
 * Ray Toro – lead guitar
 * Frank Iero – rhythm guitar
 * Mikey Way – bass guitar
 * Bob Bryar – drums, percussion, bells
 * Howard Benson – 1958 Hammond B3

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Talk:Grey Wolves (organization)

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion
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 * Grey Wolves Gokturk Flag.svg

France's alleged designation of the group as terrorist
I removed this from the infobox a while back, but it has since been readded by. The cited source makes only one mention of an organization being designated as terrorist: the PKK by Turkey. It does not say anything about the Grey Wolves being considered a terrorist organization by France or anyone else. We cannot take a ban to be synonymous with terrorist designation. An anonymous username, not my real name 21:25, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

 * The governments of Azerbaijan and France have both banned the Grey Wolves from their respective countries for political violence and terrorist activities, although at the same time neither of those countries have designated the Grey Wolves as a terrorist organization.
 * Frankly, I think that the problem would be easily solved by adding the parameter "Countries from which they have been banned" to the Infobox, but I don't know if there is such a parameter for cases like this one. We could propose its creation, though. GenoV84 (talk) 06:44, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Update: I couldn't find any other suitable parameter in the template documentation of the Infobox militant organization except for "status", therefore I moved the informations and related sources about the respective bans in France and Azerbaijan to that section of the Infobox . It should be fixed now. GenoV84 (talk) 21:47, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, and sorry for my inactivity. An anonymous username, not my real name  06:21, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

They are not on the EU terror list
See here and please fix the info box accordingly: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2020-006101-ASW_EN.html 2A02:3100:55A0:D100:F5F3:EC0C:6C32:18C3 (talk) 13:19, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Unbalanced towards certain viewpoints
The article's first paragraphs focus too much on claims of terrorism. This constitutes unbalanced rhetoric. Even openly terrorist organizations do not contain such rhetoric in Wikipedia. I suggest softening the tone in the opening paragraphs. 46.31.118.93 (talk) 06:40, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

 * Wikipedia summarizes reliable sources, and the lead is intended to be a summary of the body. If you have some specific reason to think this isn't the case, you can explain it, but other articles have their own set of sources. Further, "unbalanced" is subjective, and balance should not be conflated with false balance. Grayfell (talk) 07:33, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Precisely. The sources chosen in the article are one-sided and are skewed towards a certain point of view. Would this not merit the article to be tagged "unbalanced"? 46.31.118.93 (talk) 11:15, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

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Sufficiency of disclosure

Sufficiency of disclosure or enablement is a patent law requirement that a patent application disclose a claimed invention in sufficient detail so that the person skilled in the art could carry out that claimed invention. The requirement is fundamental to patent law: a monopoly is granted for a given period of time in exchange for a disclosure to the public how to make or practice the invention.

Background
The disclosure requirement lies at the heart and origin of patent law. An inventor, or the inventor's assignee, is granted a monopoly for a given period of time in exchange for the inventor disclosing to the public how to make or practice their invention. If a patent fails to contain such information, then the bargain is violated, and the patent is unenforceable or can be revoked.

Inventors who do not wish to teach the world about their invention still have some protection under trade secret law, which protects valuable secrets from being misappropriated through unfair means (such as theft or industrial espionage). But unless inventors apply for a valid, enabling patent, they cannot take advantage of patent law's monopoly rights, and thus cannot stop competitors from developing the same product or process through proper means (such as independent invention or reverse engineering). Enabling disclosure is the price an inventor pays for patent monopoly.

Europe
Article 83 of the European Patent Convention states that an application must disclose the invention in a manner sufficiently clear and complete for it to be carried out by a person skilled in the art. Sufficiency is considered by the examiner during examination of a patent application and the requirement of Article 83 must be complied with in order for a patent to be granted. Insufficient disclosure is also a ground for opposition under.

For instance, an insufficiency of disclosure might arise if references to standardisation documents are provided to support essential aspects of the invention, but if these references are not sufficiently precise so that "the skilled person would have to make ... undue efforts to find and get together the information it needs to carry out the invention".

Insufficiency is also a ground for revocation under Section 72 of the UK Patents Act.

United States
The patent law in the United States requires, among other things, that the patent specification "contain a written description of the invention, and of the manner and process of making and using it, in such full, clear, concise, and exact terms as to enable any person skilled in the art to which it pertains, or with which it is most nearly connected, to make and use the same."

US Federal Courts and legal commentators have interpreted this statement as having two related but distinct requirements: written description and enablement. Although enablement and written description requirements share many similarities, their purposes are different.

The enablement requirement relates to teaching how to make/use the invention. In contrast, the written description requirement allows the patent owner to justify its claims, which determine the boundaries of the temporal monopoly on the invention. Also noteworthy is that US courts treat enablement as a ‘‘question of law based on underlying factual findings,’’ (i.e. with a judge having the final word), while written description requirement is a question of fact, decided by a jury.

In other words, the purpose of written description is to support the terminology and the scope of patent claims. A patentee is not allowed to claim something that is not supported by the text of patent disclosure — this is the purpose of the written description. On the other hand, the purpose of enablement is to teach a person of ordinary skill in the art how to make and use the invention without undue experimentation. Enablement is a key part of the patent "bargain"- an inventor gets a monopoly in return for teaching the world about their invention.

Although in theory both "written description" and "enablement" should be applied to individual claims, when US courts find a lack of enablement, they usually invalidate the whole patent rather than individual claims. The historic evolution of the written description and enablement requirements can be found here.

Enablement
A patent disclosure "enables" the invention, if it allows a person of ordinary skill in the art to practice the invention without undue experimentation. Patents may fail this test if they claim more than they teach: for example, a patent that claims all light bulbs but explains only how to make a particular type of light bulb. A patent may also be non-enabling, if it claims the use of tungsten filaments in a lightbulb, but it does not disclose how to make tungsten filaments, and there is no publicly known method of making them.

A patent claim that does not meet the enablement requirement may be rejected by the patent examiner before patent issuance or declared invalid upon re-examination or litigation after issuance. Enablement is determined as of the filing date of the patent, and patent owners cannot use experiments conducted post-application to establish the validity of their patents.

Undue experimentation
Under the patent law in the United States, the enablement requirement is not satisfied, if a person having "ordinary skill in the art" (PHOSITA) of the invention cannot make and use the invention without undue experimentation.

Undue experimentation is not based on quantity of experimentation as much as it is on unpredictability of outcome. In the "predictable arts", such as mechanical inventions and software inventions, very little description is required. A mere flow chart of a piece of software, for example, is adequate. Source code is not normally required. In the “unpredictable arts”, such as chemistry and pharmaceuticals, a very detailed description is required.

In 1988 Federal Circuit established 8 Wands factors that can be considered when determining whether a disclosure requires undue experimentation:
 * 1) the quantity of experimentation necessary;
 * 2) the amount of direction or guidance presented;
 * 3) the presence or absence of working examples;
 * 4) the nature of the invention;
 * 5) the state of the prior art;
 * 6) the relative skill of those in the art;
 * 7) the predictability or unpredictability of the art; and
 * 8) the breadth of the claims.

In a 2005 U.S. court case, several of Jerome H. Lemelson patents covering bar code readers were held to be invalid because the specification was not complete enough for a person of ordinary skill in the art of electrical engineering to have made and used the claimed invention at the time the patent was filed (1954) without undue experimentation. In this case the court held that a person of ordinary skill in the art was a degreed electrical engineer with two years of experience as of the filing date of the original patent application, 1954. One of the challenges of this court case, which was decided in 2005, was to find experts on the state of the art who were alive in 1954.

In May 2023, the U.S. Supreme Court did not specifically address the eight Wands factors in its decision in Amgen Inc v. Sanofi. However, the Court stated that the specification may call for a reasonable amount of experimentation to make and use the full scope of the claimed invention.

Written description and possession
In the United States, the would-be patentee must provide a "written description" of the invention, sufficient to support the claims of the patent during the patent's examination. "Written description" determines the scope of claims.

The purpose of this rule is to avoid applicants speculatively filing for patents for inventions that they have not yet invented in order to get priority over competitors. As the Federal Circuit explained in Amgen Inc. v. Hoechst Marion Roussel, Inc. 314 F.3d 1313, 1330 (Fed. Cir. 2003), "[t]he purpose of the written description requirement is to prevent an applicant from later asserting that he invented that which he did not."

An illustrative landmark decision on the issue of "written description" was University of Rochester v. Searle, related to patents on COX-2 inhibitors. In the early 1990s scientists at the University of Rochester discovered two disctinct cyclooxygenases, referred to as COX-1 and COX-2. For most patents it is desirable to inhibit COX-2 and not COX-1. Previously known NSAIDs inhibit both COX-1 and COX-2, and thus they not only reduce inflammation, but also cause side effects such as stomach upset, irritation, ulcers, and bleeding. This breakthrough discovery prompted the Rochester scientists to launch a program for developing selective COX-2 inhibitors, and they developed an assay to screen for such inhibitors, which was a subject of patent US5837479 issued in 1998, that claimed methods "for identifying a compound that inhibits prostaglandin synthesis catalyzed by mammalian prostaglandin H synthase-2 (PGHS-2)." While disclosing the discovery of the target enzyme (which is an unpatenable product of Nature) and the methods for identifying its inhibitors, the US5837479 did not provide any specific formulas for the claimed inhibitors. "Accordingly, the court concluded that the patent's claims are invalid for lack of written description," because "it claims a method of achieving a biological effect, but discloses no compounds that can accomplish that result."

To summarize: without the written description/sufficiency of disclosure requirement, an applicant might delay scientific and technical progress by blocking competitors from inventing something that the applicant has not yet invented (i.e. did not describe in his patent application). The written description requirement thus reinforces the idea that patents are a reward for inventing by requiring the applicant to show they possess the invention.

Deposit of biological material
Biological (i.e. "capable of self-replication either directly or indirectly") materials (such as yeast, algae, protozoa, eukaryotic cells, cell lines, hybridomas, plasmids, viruses, plant tissue cells, lichens, seeds, vectors, cell organelles etc.) can be patented in the US as compositions of matter or as articles of manufacture, provided that they are useful, novel and non-obvious. However, a precise description (such as molecular structure) is not always possible in such cases, which makes it difficult to meet written description and enablement requirements for claims involving biological materials. One option to claim such biological inventions is by using plant patents. Another option is to use regular utility patents in combination with a deposit of the claimed biological material according to Budapest Treaty of 1977. The US law allows for such biological deposit(s) to be made at any time before the patent issuance (and in some cases during reexamination), however many other countries require deposits before patent filing. Such deposits are typically made for 30 years.

Best mode
In the United States, the sufficiency of disclosure requirement is complemented by an additional requirement, generally not found in other national patent jurisdictions: the "best mode requirement". According to the requirement, the disclosure must also contain the inventor's "best mode" of making or practising the invention. For example, if an inventor knows that a liquid should be heated to 250 degrees for optimal performance, but discloses in the patent that the liquid should be heated to "above 200 degrees", then the inventor has not disclosed his "best mode" for carrying out the invention. The best mode must be disclosed for the entire invention, and not only its innovative aspects.

The purpose of the “best mode” requirement is to ensure full disclosure, such that the inventor may not “disclose only what he knows to be his second-best embodiment, retaining the best for himself.”

The "best mode requirement" only applies to what the inventor knows at the time the application is filed, not to what is subsequently discovered.

Post-AIA, US law no longer permits invalidation of a US patent for failure to disclose the best mode, although technically the best mode is still required to be disclosed by the language of 35 U.S.C. Section 112.

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Bartholomew River

The Bartholomew River is a tributary of the main Southwest Miramichi River in New Brunswick, Canada.

The Bartholomew River begins in the hills between the Main Southwest Miramichi and Dungarvon Rivers at approximately N46.60, W66.30, in western Northumberland County. Its two branches (north and south) run parallel less than 5 km from each other for roughly 10 km where they converge just east of a logging road at approximately N46.62, W66.20. It then runs parallel to and in between the Dungarvon River to the north, and Main Southwest Miramichi River to the south until it empties into the Southwest Miramichi at Miramichi River Valley. The Southwest Miramichi River then joins the Northwest Miramichi River at Newcastle to form the Miramichi River.

This river was used for driving logs as part of the lumber industry in the early part of the 20th century. Today, it is used for mainly for canoeing and fishing.

Fishermen note the presence of trout and atlantic salmon. Canoeists note the river is generally only runnable in the spring and can be dangerous due to trees falling across its narrow winding course (sweepers), there are no established or maintained campsites along its course but there are some suitable places to set up and camp.

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Solidarity Citizens' Committee

The Solidarity Citizens' Committee (Komitet Obywatelski "Solidarność", KO "S"), also known as Citizens' Electoral Committee (Obywatelski Komitet Wyborczy) and previously named the Citizens' Committee with Lech Wałęsa (Komitet Obywatelski przy Lechu Wałęsie), was an initially semi-legal political organisation of the democratic opposition in Communist Poland.

Formed on 18 December 1988 in the premises of the Divine Mercy church in Warsaw, it spontaneously evolved into a nationwide movement attracting a vast majority of supporters of radical political change in the country after the conclusion of the Round Table talks (6 February–4 April 1989) and the announcement of semi-free general elections for 4 June that year.

The relaunched union weekly Tygodnik Solidarność, then edited by Tadeusz Mazowiecki; and the new Gazeta Wyborcza (today Poland's largest daily paper), edited by Adam Michnik and launched on 8 May 1989, became influential organs for the movement. Its name came from the independent union Solidarity.

History
According to the Round Table Agreement, 35%, i.e. 161 out of 460 seats in the so-called "Contract Sejm" (Sejm kontraktowy), the lower house of the Polish parliament, were to be allocated by a free election. In the run-up to the election, the Citizens' Committee decided to nominate as many candidates in each constituency as there were seats democratically available. The Round Table Agreement also included the restoration of a less powerful upper house of parliament, the Senate, which had been abolished in 1946, to accommodate the opposition's demand for parliamentary representation. The new senate was to have 100 seats, all of which were to be allocated in a free election. The Citizens' Committee nominated a candidate for each seat. In its campaigning, the Citizens' Committee relied on its "Electoral Paper" Gazeta Wyborcza, and election posters printed mostly unofficially by an extensive network of samizdat print shops, which had been operating throughout the 1980s. Every candidate had an article in Gazeta Wyborcza and posters showing them with the figurehead of the opposition, Wałęsa. There were other motifs too, most famously perhaps the minimalist "High Noon" poster billing the election as the ultimate showdown between the government and the people.

Held in two ballots on 4 and 18 June, the election resulted in a landslide victory of the opposition organised in the Citizens' Committee, which won all 161 seats available to it in the Sejm, and 99 out of 100 seats in the senate. The one remaining senate seat was won by independent candidate Henryk Stokłosa. The Committee's candidates won by a large margin in all constituencies, frequently receiving more than 90% of the votes.

Independent, non-Committee candidates obtained a total of 40% of all votes not cast for the ruling Polish United Workers' Party and its affiliates. Even in this historic "showdown" election, the turnout was merely 62% in the first and 26% in the second ballot and low turnouts have remained a problem in all Polish elections since.

On 25 August 1989, the new "Contract Sejm" elected the Civil Committee's candidate Tadeusz Mazowiecki as Prime Minister, making him the first ever non-Communist head of government east of the Iron Curtain whereas the presidency remained in the hands of the ruling party.

As the Committee was not a typical political party but a rather spontaneously formed, loose organisation to facilitate and focus the opposition's pre-election efforts, it did not survive its own triumph for long. On 23 June 1989, the Committee candidates which found themselves in the Sejm formed the Citizens' Parliamentary Party (Obywatelski Klub Parlamentarny, OKP), which elected Bronisław Geremek as chairman.

However, political frictions soon occurred within the OKP. Eventually, two rival factions emerged from the OKP and its political milieu, namely a more conservative and populist wing which formed the party Centre Agreement (Porozumienie Centrum, PC) on 12 May 1990 led by Lech Kaczyński whereas the more liberal, "intellectual" wing represented by Geremek went on to form their own party called Citizens' Movement for Democratic Action (Ruch Obywatelski Akcja Demokratyczna, ROAD) which later evolved into the Democratic Union (Unia Demokratyczna, UD), Freedom Union (Unia Wolności, UW) and most recently the Democratic Party (Partia Demokratyczna (PD), also known as demokraci.pl. The split between Solidarity's conservative and liberal heirs became evident in the 1990 presidential election, when the conservatives supported Wałęsa while the liberals nominated Mazowiecki as their own candidate. This cleavage continues to shape the Polish political landscape until this day.

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The light shineth in the darkness, and the darkness comprehendeth it not. John 1:5

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vedic mythology

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. Sjakkalle (Check!)  12:17, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Vedic mythology

 * Delete. Written in another language and all caps Acyso 18:36, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. The article looks a lot better now! It actually reads properly. Acyso 02:04, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm listing this old nomination. It should have gone to WP:PNT (it's French), but given the name and the word Shiva, it looks like anything salvageable there is likely redundant with something else. Neutral for now until this can be confirmed, but if it is, I'm leaning towards redirecting wherever is the redundant info is. Keep all Bhadanis. --Dmcdevit·t 03:57, July 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete and Redirect to Vedas. --Jpbrenna 04:15, 20 July 2005 (UTC) (My first ever pro-deletion vote!)
 * I didn't realize it was going to add comparative material not found in the Vedas article. Yes, a lot more material exists in French because of Georges Dumézil et al.  Let's Keep and get a French Wikipedian to translate the article for us.  --Jpbrenna 01:27, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep I cahanged my mind after reading the current edit.Nice Work! Hamster Sandwich 05:46, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep extremely important subject - it describes the foundation (i.e. preceeding mythos) of Hinduism and Zoroastrianism, as well as the link to Proto-Indo-European religion. But translate and wikify at the same time. Unfortunately most of the research in this field (ancient near-eastern mythology) is done in French (historic reasons for France to be the major origin of it). Please note, this would be like VFD'ing Greek mythology because it contained the word Zeus as in Jupiter (Jupiter = Dyeus Pater, Zeus = Dyeus, the same proto-indo-european god that became Tew as-in Tuesday). The Shiva that it describes is the pre-Hindu version of Shiva etc. .     07:34, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete The subject may well be worth an article, but I see nothing in the present text that merits preservation. I have no objection to someone else researching and writing something new from scratch, but unless there is a volunteer, this text might as well be deleted.  I provided a translation at Vedic mythology so you can judge for yourselves.  --Diderot 08:14, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep as it has now been rewritten and seems likely to be a viable article. --Diderot 17:07, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Capitalistroadster 11:25, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Comments- It appears to be a significant topic. I will come back with more comments in a day or two.--Bhadani 10:04, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. I will vote when Bhadani gets back with his edit but I would vote keep for even a decent stub. It appears to be clearly notable in Indian religion see.
 * Delete --Forig 11:58, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * More comments: - I have updated the contents with fresh inputs. I will try to give further inputs, if I get some time. I am not recording my vote for "Keep", as I donot want to do so for my own edits. --Bhadani 15:00, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I have removed the original texts, after putting frsh inputs. Please see the articl's tal page.--Bhadani 16:35, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep; important and interesting topic, and Bhadani's rewrite is good. Needs further expansion.  Antandrus  (talk) 15:11, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Bhadani's rewrite and expand further. Capitalistroadster 17:02, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and expand: Looks ok at its current state. --Ragib 17:46, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep clearly an important topic, the underlying mythology of one of the 4 largest religions in the world.24.215.252.158 18:04, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep after rewrite. Pavel Vozenilek 20:25, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, no reason to delete anymore. —PrologFan {Talk} 20:41, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep after rewrite. Binadot 21:31, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep since reason for deleting is no longer valid. --Bambaiah 08:23, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, looks fine now :) Flammifer 14:46, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep after rewrite. Sietse 10:42, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Lochindorb

Lochindorb (from the Loch nan Doirb meaning "loch of the minnows") is a freshwater loch north of Grantown on Spey in the Highland council area of Scotland. In the loch there is an island, which is now thought to have been artificially created, and on that island are the ruins of Lochindorb Castle, a former stronghold of the Clan Comyn. King Edward I of England stayed in the castle during his 1303 campaign against the Scots. The loch is a popular spot with fishers, and also with birdwatchers, who come to see the local black-throated divers and greylag geese. At the southeast edge of the loch there is a small patch of coniferous forest.

Wildlife
Lochindorb is home to an array of wildlife and is a popular fishing and birdwatching spot. The loch was traditionally a game loch. It used to have a large native population of brown trout, but their numbers have dramatically decreased. Introduced pike have been recorded there in recent years.

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Goemon

Goemon may refer to:

 * Ishikawa Goemon (1558–1594), legendary ninja warrior and bandit hero
 * Goemon Ishikawa XIII, his fictional descendant, created by Monkey Punch for his manga series Lupin III
 * Goemon (film), a 2009 film by Kazuaki Kiriya
 * Ganbare Goemon, the video game series
 * Koji Nakagawa, a Japanese wrestler who previously wrestled as Goemon

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Herbert Haseltine

Herbert Chevalier Haseltine (1877–1962) was an Italian-born French/American animalier sculptor, most known as an Equestrian sculptor.

Early life and education
Hesltine was born in Rome, the son of the American landscape painter William Stanley Haseltine (1835–1900) who was associated with the Hudson River School and Luminism. He studied at Harvard University and, after graduating in 1899, Haseltine attended Munich Academy in Germany to study drawing and then to the Académie Julian in Paris, France where he studied painting.

Career
After his first piece of sculpture met with success, he pursued that artistic avenue. Inspired by the gathering of artists from around the world to the Montparnasse Quarter of Paris, Haseltine chose to make Paris his home for the next thirty-five years until the German occupation of France during World War II. He moved to the United States where he remained until 1947, at which time he returned to France. In 1940, he was elected to the National Academy of Design as an Associate member and became a full Academician in 1946.

Haseltine sculpted a variety of animals but is best known for his equestrian sculptures, most notably the 1934 life-size statue of the thoroughbred race horse Man o' War at the Kentucky Horse Park in Lexington, Kentucky and "George Washington on Horseback", Gilded bronze statue at the Washington National Cathedral made in 1959. He also traveled to India, where he made an oversized statue of one of the ancestors of the Maharaja of Nawanagar, Jam Shri Rawalji in 1933. It can still be seen there. He replicated many of his large works in table-top sizes. The author of a number of books on animalier art, Haseltine was well connected in American upper class society and did a three-year project to create a work for heiress Barbara Hutton. This project included two horses heads which were gilded bronze, with precious and semi-precious stones. After her death the heads disappeared and resurfaced a few years ago at an auction in New York.

Personal life
During the time he lived in Paris at the Impasse Raffet (XVIeme Quartier) near the Rue Jasmin, he led a very colourful life. Attached to American Embassy, Paris, 1914–1915, Decorated Chevalier Legion of Honor in 1922, he entertained a lot of guests in his beautiful house, which was once depicted in the French Magazine "Maison & Jardin". Amongst his guests were Arthur Rubinstein, Cary Grant, Teddy Roosevelt Jr and Charles Lindbergh. He also had a lot of contacts to highest Russian Royalty. His wife, the former Madeleine Keith, was born in England and died in 1979 in Paris. The house was subsequently sold to the owner of Paris Match. His daughter Helen Heather Haseltine married an Austrian Count by the name of Paul Maria Prosper Toggenburg (b. 09-04-1904 in Trento, d.02-07-1964 in Ritten, Trentino-Südtirol, Italy) so becoming Gräfin Toggenburg, her descendants live in Italy and Austria now. By his son, William Marshall, he has two grandchildren, of which one, Carla, is a well-respected sculptor in her own right.

Herbert Haseltine died in Paris, in 1962. He was buried at the Protestant Cemetery Caius Cestius in Rome, where are also the graves of his parents, of his brothers Stanley Lane, Charles Marshall and his sister Mildred princess Rospigliosi.

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List of drugs: Ac

aca-acc

 * acadesine (INN)
 * acamprosate (INN)
 * acaprazine (INN)
 * acarbose (INN)
 * Accofil
 * Accolate
 * Accoleit
 * Accuneb,
 * Accupril
 * Accurbron
 * Accure
 * Accuretic
 * Accutane
 * Accuzyme

aceb-aceo

 * acebrochol (INN)
 * aceburic acid (INN)
 * Acebutolol HCl
 * acebutolol (INN)
 * acecainide (INN)
 * acecarbromal (INN)
 * aceclidine (INN)
 * aceclofenac (INN)
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 * aceglutamide (INN)
 * acemannan (INN)
 * acemetacin (INN)
 * aceneuramic acid (INN)
 * acenocoumarol (INN)
 * Aceon

acep-aces

 * aceperone (INN)
 * Acephen
 * acepromazine (INN)
 * aceprometazine (INN)
 * acequinoline (INN)
 * acesulfame (INN)

acet-acex

 * Acetadote (Cumberland Pharmaceuticals)
 * acetaminophen (USAN), also known as paracetamol
 * acetaminosalol (INN)
 * acetarsol (INN)
 * Acetasol
 * Acetated Ringer's
 * acetazolamide (INN)
 * acetergamine (INN)
 * acetiamine (INN)
 * acetiromate (INN)
 * acetohexamide
 * acetohexamide (INN)
 * acetohydroxamic acid (INN)
 * acetophenazine (INN)
 * acetorphine (INN)
 * Acetoxyl
 * acetryptine (INN)
 * acetylcholine chloride (INN)
 * acetylcysteine (INN)
 * acetyldigitoxin (INN)
 * acetylleucine (INN)
 * acetylmethadol (INN)
 * acevaltrate (INN)
 * acexamic acid (INN)

ach-aco

 * Aches-N-Pain
 * Achromycin
 * Aci-jel
 * aciclovir (INN)
 * acifran (INN)
 * Acihexal (Hexal Australia) [Au], also known as aciclovir
 * Acilac
 * Aciphex
 * acipimox (INN)
 * acitazanolast (INN)
 * acitemate (INN)
 * acitretin (INN)
 * acivicin (INN)
 * aclantate (INN)
 * aclarubicin (INN)
 * aclatonium napadisilate (INN)
 * aclidinium bromide (USAN, INN)
 * Aclovate
 * acolbifene (USAN)
 * acodazole (INN)
 * aconiazide (INN)
 * acotiamide (USAN)
 * acoxatrine (INN)

acr

 * acreozast (INN)
 * acridorex (INN)
 * acriflavinium chloride (INN)
 * acrihellin (INN)
 * acrisorcin (INN)
 * acrivastine (INN)
 * acrocinonide (INN)
 * acronine (INN)

act

 * Act-A-Med
 * actagardin (INN)
 * Actagen-C
 * Actahist
 * actaplanin (INN)
 * actarit (INN)
 * ACTH
 * Acthar
 * ActHIB
 * Acthrel
 * Acticin
 * Acticort
 * Actidil
 * Actidose
 * Actifed
 * Actigall
 * Actin-N
 * Actimmune (Vidara Therapeutics)
 * Actinex
 * actinoquinol (INN)
 * Actiq (Cephalon)
 * Actisite
 * actisomide (INN)
 * Activase (Genentech)
 * Activella
 * actodigin (INN)
 * Actonel (Sanofi-Aventis) redirects to risedronate
 * Actos (Takeda, Eli Lilly) redirects to pioglitazone
 * Actron

acu-acy

 * ACU-Dyne
 * Acular
 * Acutect
 * Acyclovir (USAN), also known as aciclovir
 * Acylanid
 * Acys-5

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Thomas Robbins

Thomas Robbins, Tom Robbins or Thomas Robins may refer to:

 * Thomas Robbins (minister) (1777–1856), American Congregational minister, bibliophile and antiquarian
 * Thomas Robbins (sociologist) (1943–2015), independent American scholar of sociology of religion
 * Thomas H. Robbins Jr. (1900–1972), American admiral
 * Tom Alan Robbins, American actor
 * Tom Robbins (born 1932), American author
 * Tom Robbins, journalist with The Village Voice
 * Thomas M. Robbins, US Army Major General; in Corps of Engineers World War II, see Manhattan Project
 * Thomas Robins (actor), New Zealand actor
 * Thomas Robins (inventor) (1868–1957), inventor of the conveyor belt
 * Thomas Robins the Elder (1715/16–1770), English artist
 * Thomas Robins the Younger (1748–1806), English artist
 * Thomas Sewell Robins (1810–1880), British painter of maritime themes
 * Ellis Robins, 1st Baron Robins (Thomas Ellis Robins, 1884–1962), American-born British businessman and public servant

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