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Talk:John Gibson (political commentator)

POV check needed
Given that this is a BLP, it's remarkable that the vast majority of the article is taken up with Keith Olbermann's and Media Matters's criticism of him -- especially when it would be impossible to cite to a Fox News correspondent, or even a conservative Pulitzer-Prize winner, on a BLP of a liberal journalist. There seems to be some WP:ELNO violations, too, but I leave that to others. I take no further position, and am disengaging from this page, which was on my watchlist for some reason. THF (talk) 22:24, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Cleveland school shooting
Following the 2007 SuccessTech Academy shooting in Cleveland, Ohio, on his radio show Gibson commented "I knew the shooter was white. I knew he would have shot himself. Hip-hoppers don't do that. They shoot and move on to shoot again. And I could tell right away because he killed himself. Hip hoppers shooters don't do that. They shoot and move on."

Gibson's comments were heavily criticized by colleagues in the media. Keith Olbermann of MSNBC's Countdown with Keith Olbermann called Gibson a racist, Rick Sanchez of CNN called the comments "outrageous" and said Gibson "has some explaining to do", Dan Abrams of MSNBC's Live with Dan Abrams said Gibson was "out of line", and Media Matters for America criticized him as well.

"Following the wrong religion"
During a November 17, 2005 appearance on the radio program Janet Parshall's America, Gibson said "Minorities ought to have the same sense of tolerance about the majority religion — Christianity — that they've been granted about their religions over the years." A few minutes later in the same interview, he said "I would think if somebody is going to be — have to answer for following the wrong religion, they're not going to have to answer to me. We know who they're going to have to answer to." Gibson's comments were criticized by Frank Rich of the New York Times, and Media Matters for America.

Comments
At a quick look, citations one, three and four are not reliable for any content, we don't go, I saw it on this program on this day, that is not wiki reliable, is it. Off2riorob (talk) 13:42, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

 * Citation 1 is original research, and should be removed but it appears to be there to give context to the criticisms immediately following it. The citation itself could be removed, since the statements are referenced by additional sources in the next paragraph, but in this case I suggest it's more helpful to have the primary source citation for clarity.  Citations 3 and 4 reference television show broadcasts, which constitute reliable sources (ie, 3 and 4 are fine/correct).  //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 15:44, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

In a BLP it is correct to watch a tv program and then use it like that to cite content? I would disagree with that, perhaps in some article about survivors on the beach or that channel 4 celebrity show but not in support of content that is a bit contentious like this, the highest quality of sources should be used. Off2riorob (talk) 20:49, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Also the comment about the guy calling him a racist is a bit primary, is it not reported anywhere? The transcript is a primary (first draft) transcript and often are with errors corrected later. In the transcript there is a ? mark, where ihe appears to ask the question, so is he a racist? Off2riorob (talk) 20:52, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Blaxthos stuck it back in with the edit summary These sources are fine. so that that is it, end of discussion start the war, in out in out, the content is rubbish anyway, simply valueless weakly cited insults that are detrimental to the article. imo, people do not bother reading poor pov articles, they just go and tell their friends how rubbish wikipedia is. Off2riorob (talk) 20:56, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

No one wants to talk about it then? Off2riorob (talk) 21:07, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

 * Hi Off2riorob, probably because nobody cares :), would rather watch paint dry :) Seriously, I was involved with the external links section awhile back, and also thought the criticism section was a bit much compared with the overall length/detail of this bio. I would agree that "better" sources could be used, especially to determine what "material" sould be included, rather than defering to partisan talking heads. Anyways, cheers, --Tom (talk) 18:33, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Appreciate your comment 3after3. I have opened a thread at the reliable sources noticeboard and have the time and the inclination to look at the quatity of the citations here. I would also like to see a better article, at present in the state it is in in has little of no informative or educational value. If you have time I welcome your comments in any discussions that arise. Off2riorob (talk) 18:39, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: I have removed the MediaMatters as it seems it is not a RS for BLP's. Ink Falls   03:11, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

I am going to look again at this this week. Off2riorob (talk) 07:04, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Still horribly, horribly POV
For the bulk of the article (not counting headers), the word count is 1094. When you delete everything aside from the criticism, you are left with 751 words.

Wiki policies state that points of view should be balanced. When criticism outpaces neutral wording by a ratio greater than 2-to-1, it does not take a math whiz to realize that the criticism has gone beyond undue weight and has entered the realm of obese propaganda.

Now let's look at the 27 citations for the article. Over half of them (16) come from liberal opinion sources. Aside from the three citations in the non-opinion sections, the remaining 8 citations may be reliable sources but are used only to push the anti-Gibson message.

Of the 16 liberal opinions cited, six of them are from Media Matters, four of them are from opinion journalists from MSNBC like Keith Olbermann. The remaining six are from various sources, but are still opinions.

Absolutely none of the alleged "controversies" are real controversies since they were not newsworthy (otherwise, they would exist in news stories and not just in the realm of opinion.

So, to sum up:

1) This article has zero positive remarks to balance any of the criticism

2) The criticism accounts for nearly 70% of the entire article

3) The opinion website Media Matters and opinion journalists on a rival news station make up well over half the citations for the criticism section

And yet, in spite of the absolute %&$#'ing joke this page is, it has remained this way for years (literally), in spite of efforts to provide any sort of balance. Isn't it about time we wrestled this page away from Media Matters control, made it something besides an anti-Gibson screed, and brought it up to the standards Wikipedia is supposed to follow?

Or will we let an opinion website set up a pseudo-mirror site here? Or will we hem and haw and pretend to care about balance, while refusing to budge on a single point? Ynot4tony2 (talk) 01:06, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Here's what reasonable criticism would be: A very brief paragraph or couple of sentences which discuss that Media Matters and Keith Olbermann are frequent critics of Gibson, and maybe a single citation from each...but also makes mention that Gibson is a critic of Olbermann and that they've had a feud of sorts dating back to their co-worker days on MSNBC and specifically the Clinton-Lewinski scandal...and then include a citation of Gibson criticizing Media Matters. Ynot4tony2 (talk) 13:12, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Despite your claims, Media Matters is only cited a few times in passing, and only when other citations are used for the same controversy. I don't see any problem with this.  If you have reliable sources that you feel would supplement this article and improve whatever imbalance you perceive, feel free to offer them. Gamaliel (talk) 16:53, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I also strongly support the removal of the weakly cited opinionated attack commentary. IMO the trimmed down version is much better and much more compliant with wikipedia principles and policy, the large version is basically a policy violating attack on a living person.Off2riorob (talk) 17:02, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Weakly cited? New York Times, Los Angeles Times, Time, Fox, MSNBC. Your version is not "trimmed down", it is gutted.  It violates NPOV by pretending that these controversies do not exist.  You want to reduce the section, fine, let's talk about how, in specifics. Gamaliel (talk) 17:12, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Its not my version it is a version that imo with my experience and my neutrality as regards this living person is a lot better for wikipedia and readers that the attack version you and your friend support. Specifics, its a partisan attack, written and supported by people that do not like the subject. Off2riorob (talk) 17:22, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Still, you support this version, so "your version" is quick shorthand for "version I did not author but I support". Sorry for any confusion. There is a clear difference between documenting partisan attacks and being a partisan attack.  If you feel it is the latter, please specify how so and what you think we could do to change the article so we can document these controversies and become the former. Gamaliel (talk) 17:36, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

 * This style of attack editing makes me sick, I am a neutral, you do not like this person, what can I say, your attack version is detrimental to the living person and to wikipedia. Off2riorob (talk) 17:38, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't even know or care who this person is, but I care about an encyclopedia article that documents what happens it the real world and doesn't serve up content-free promotional pieces. Shelve the stupid accusations and let's talk about the article.  I feel that this article documents those controversies in a neutral manner.  If we have failed in this, I would like to correct it.  Please specify how we have failed to document them properly.  Gamaliel (talk) 17:46, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * If you are unable to admit that you know or care who this person is then there is no possible meeting place between you and me. Off2riorob (talk) 17:51, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * So I'm supposed to admit that I have some burning hatred for some guy I've never read, seen, or met just because you say so? Do you realize how profoundly stupid that is?  Gamaliel (talk) 17:54, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Please, a blind imbecile can see your edit history and smell your POV. Enjoy your attack article, bye. Off2riorob (talk) 17:58, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Then the blind imbecile can start an RFC about me or take me to ArbCom, but until then, he can shut the fuck up and let serious, adult editors follow Wikipedia policies and discuss the article instead of hurling his own crap against the walls. Gamaliel (talk) 18:01, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Mirror mirror on the wall..Off2riorob (talk) 18:02, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I can't see the mirror because someone's been flinging too much crap everywhere. Gamaliel (talk) 18:06, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Sigh. I tried to hat template this discussion but Off2riorob objected for some reason. I don't see the point of continuing this crapfest. Let's bury it and move on. If you want to continue, feel free, but you'll just be flinging crap at yourself, alone. Gamaliel (talk) 18:56, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Media Matters Mirror Site
Gamaliel, please just admit you are content with the fact that this article is 70% criticism. Get that formality out of the way. Your passionate defense of this indefensible Media Matters propaganda hit piece is getting out of hand.

And, I seriously suggest you recuse yourself from further discussion and instead enlist the help of an editor who doesn't zealously defend 70% scathing criticism as "acceptable". You sound like a bad joke coming out of a broken record player.

For instance, you again chime in with, "If you have more reliable sources," ignoring the very problem that 70% of the entire article is left-wing criticism, and that none of the so-called "controversies" exist outside the realm of far-left opinion sources. You can't honestly miss the point that many times, can you? Ignore the legitimate complaints, ignore all the bold-faced and italicized words, ignore the points that have been made repeatedly over the years, and think this problem is something that can be fixed by adding "more reliable sources"? Seriously?!? Are you needlessly obstructive with such asinine suggestions, or are you oblivious yet sincere?

NOTHING ever gets done to improve this page. Like I predicted, we have some hemming and hawing and lip service to wiki standards, yet we still encounter the unrelenting insistence that this entry remain an absolute joke and be little more than a Media Matters mirror site. And what of the other editors who don't even come here to discuss obviously contentious edits? How can we possibly arrive at any sort of meaningful conclusion if editors ignore the fact that this page is over 2/3 criticism?!? Ynot4tony2 (talk) 19:57, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

 * Presently we have twenty six citations in the article and at least thirteen of them (half) are completely critical pieces and that is excessive and likely to create an feeling of an attack article. Off2riorob (talk) 20:06, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

 * Gentlemen, you seem to be confusing neutrally presenting source material with advocating a particular point of view. If the majority of sources out there are critical of this individual (as in, if he's largely known for gaffes and controversy) then the Wikipedia article should and will reflect that.  If you feel the article is missing some other key components regarding his biography (it probably is!), then by all means source it and add it.  The solution, however, is not to remove richly sourced material "just because" there isn't really a whole lot of flattering material out there.  //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 20:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Fact: Article items are sourced to the New York Times, Los Angeles Times, Time, Fox, MSNBC. You can't wave away the entirety of the mainstream media as "left-wing criticism" outside of the pages of Newsmax. These sources meet RS/BLP criteria. Fact: Media Matters is employed as a source to supplement these mainstream items. No MMFA source is as the sole citation for an item. If there is a problem with this article, it's clear Media Matters isn't it.

If we are to act upon criticism of this article, it would be helpful if that criticism was based in reality. Gamaliel (talk) 20:10, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Note that while Gamaliel supports quotation after quotation appearing in the article of a conservative journalist, adding up to about 75% of the article, he strenuously opposes a SINGLE quotation going into the articles of lefty journalists Spencer Ackerman and Jeffrey Toobin. Drrll (talk) 23:48, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

 * I've explained the difference between the two to you already. If you require another explanation, I'll be glad to discuss it with you elsewhere. If you have something to say about this page, say it, otherwise we have enough contentious editing going on here without your helpful addition of more kindling for the fire. If there is anyone serious about editing this article, then they should respond to Blaxthos' cogent comments above.  If an editor is not serious about editing this article, then they shouldn't be posting here.  Gamaliel (talk) 00:54, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

 * Nitpicking criticism does not belong in an encyclopedia. WHY is that so hard to understand?!?  Why is every other media figure's bio page so neutral in tone, yet this one is mostly an anti-Gibson screed?  I mean, is Gibson that universally hated that his bio must reflect that?  Crap's sake, I don't even think Hitler's bio page has 70% criticism!  Does Gibson's "controversial" nature make news?  No.  So it's not noteworthy.  Nitpicking complaints from a partisan critics are NOT encyclopedic, not by a long shot.

 * I'm serious as a heart attack, Gamaliel. I am seriously asking you to recuse yourself from this page as you have resisted ANY AND EVERY attempt to reduce the 70% criticism rate.  I won't question your motives (as you are often known to do with others), just your effectiveness (or lack thereof).  This page continues to remain a hideous joke, and you're one of the primary reason.  You won't accept ANY progress in right direction.

 * Your comment of "You can't wave away the entirety of the mainstream media as 'left-wing criticism' outside of the pages of Newsmax," is yet more proof of your ineffectiveness and obstructionism here, as NO ONE was criticizing the mainstream NEWS SOURCES, but rather the noteworthiness of the people (i.e., LIBERAL OPINION journalists) who offered the opinions, and the noteworthiness of the opinions themselves. Stop building straw-men, stop trivializing the influence of Media Matters, and please recuse yourself from this page. You're no help here. 24.12.244.13 (talk) 04:07, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

 * I'm willing to participate in a discussion about how to improve this article, providing we actually have one. 99% of the comments here are some variation of "delete it all" and "I hate Gamaliel/Media Matters/the left".  As for the accusation that I'm trivializing Media Matters, go ahead and remove every Media Matters reference and see what you are left with - exactly the same article as before!  The same sections, the same controversies.  So obviously Media Matters is not the problem, it's just a smoke screen.  What most here find so hard to understand is that documenting controversies and criticism is not the same thing as being anti-Gibson, but editors are unable or unwilling or too stupid to see the difference.  Is there a problem with the tone of the article, as you claim in your first paragraph?  Okay, what is it?  Identify inappropriate passages.  Every time I ask for specifics, I'm greeted with some variation of "you suck!" and nothing more specific than the fact that these sections 1) exist and 2) dare to mention That Organization Which Must Not Be Named.  Some editors don't want to use this page to do anything other than complain about me and TOWMNBN.  It would be nice if they actually tried discussing edits.  Who knows, we might actually accomplish something.  Gamaliel (talk) 04:19, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Media Matters is indeed one of the problems. How about instead of just removing Media Matters citations, we remove any citations or incidents that aren't NOTEWORTHY?!?  Why do you constantly refuse to address that issue, Gamaliel?
 * This article is indeed anti-Gibson. Any partisan opinion commentator who is live on-air for 10-15 hours a week, mostly unscripted, is guaranteed to "offend" people from the other end of the political spectrum.  Gibson has criticized Media Matters and Olbermann, for instance...but God forbid anyone insert these opinions into those wiki pages.  The community wouldn't tolerate it.  Gibson is no more inflammatory or controversial than Keith Olbermann.  The fact that this page is an anomaly on Wikipedia is evidence enough that it is anti-Gibson.
 * One political pundit taking issue with another is not N-O-T-E-W-O-R-T-H-Y. If it were, we could expect every pundit's wiki page to practically explode with comments, footnotes, and citations.  Noteworthy would mean things like a non-partisan organization taking issue with Gibson...Gibson being the target of boycotts or protests...advertisers pulling their advertisements from his show...him being fired for outrageous comments...or, his comments making mainstream NEWS (not brief mentions in the opinion section of a news outlet, but his comments appearing in actual news stories).  None of these things have happened, have they?  Just pundits complaining about their opponents and rivals.  Move along.  Nothing noteworthy there.
 * And finally, Gamaliel, comments like "editors are unable or unwilling or too stupid," and your sarcastic, exaggerated straw-man arguments are just more reasons why I expect you to recuse yourself. You're demeaning to other editors, and I believe you are intentionally ignoring the question of notability.  Please, just go away.  Your obstructionism and incivility are doing more harm than good. I have documented your incivility across other pages, and it doesn't paint a pretty picture of you.  Maybe you're just hostile towards specific editors, but that's just more of a reason to recuse yourself form this page. Ynot4tony2 (talk) 13:20, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You and other editors have made a series of personal insults and insinuations. I'm hostile in the face of such hostility and incivility.  I'm not going away and I'm not going to smile while I take your abuse.
 * Our duty is to document Gibson's career, and reactions to his outrageous comments are a key part of that and are in fact quite NOTEWORTHY?!? If you want to discuss whether including a particular reaction is or is not N-O-T-E-W-O-R-T-H-Y, I am willing to do that.  But you have not done that, instead you've just attacked me and tried to strip out ALL negative reaction to Gibson.  Documenting negative reaction to Gibson is not anti-Gibson, and if you can't tell the difference, then that is stupid, and if that notion offends you, I'm willing to withdraw those comments as soon as editors here stop screaming at me in such a hostile manner every time I post here. Gamaliel (talk) 16:46, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

 * I am not attacking you, screaming at you, nor being hostile towards you. This fake drama is just yet another example of why I am politely asking you to recuse yourself.  I have documented much of your incivility across several pages (because I knew a day like this would come sooner or later), and it's just not even remotely accurate for you to imply it is all a product of "self defense".

 * "Documenting negative reaction to Gibson" could fill volumes of books, and you know it. Documenting negative reaction to Olbermann could also fill volumes, and you know that (except that Olbermann is protected by a double standard).  One known person expressing an opinion about another known person is not a noteworthy event.  If it is, our work here will never be done.

 * But let's focus on the "following other religions" passage for now. The only source is Media Matters.  Gibson never says that those not following Christianity are following the wrong religion.  Media Matters tries to claim otherwise (but has to re-arrange his words in an attempt to make their point).  But even still, what is controversial or noteworthy about a person assuming their own faith is the right faith...particularly on a Christianity themed show, like the one where Gibson's comments were made?!?  Do you realize the crazy standard that could set?

 * So please, answer this, straight up. Does that fact that a partisan opinion website criticize a political pundit...for saying that people who follow the wrong religion will answer to a higher power...without specifying who will answer, to whom, or what the "right religion is"...on a theology themed radio show...qualify as "noteworthy"?  Ynot4tony2 (talk) 03:41, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Wow, that's a pretty amazing hit-piece. Keith Olbermann is NOT a reliable source under any circumstances, in the same way that Rush Limbaugh is not citeable except for opinions. The entire public comments section could easily be a paragraph or two tops. Soxwon (talk) 04:44, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Ah, Gamaliel, looks like you're mobilizing liberal editors to put comments here but seemed to only get one, the ever reliable Blaxthos. I've had issues with both of you in the past, and, at one point, one of you tried to get my account deleted. Reading this article, I'm convinced we should just start from scratch. This article is terribly negative. It's nowhere near neutral. Call me demeaning all you want, as I know just putting a comment here will raise both your ires, but this article should not become the pattern for how Wikipedia operates. I don't even really like John Gibson, except that he's sometimes funny on "Red Eye," but no one, even Olbermann, should have an article like this. PokeHomsar (talk) 04:13, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

 * More than a month has passed since I asked someone to justify how someone talking about "the right religion" on a religion themed radio program was controversial. Not a single person has taken me up on this direct challenge.  Yet, watch editors swoop right in to revert my deletion of this nonsense passage... Ynot4tony2 (talk) 00:37, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

 * Now, what of the "making more babies" alleged controversy? There isn't even a citation of Gibson being criticized over this (I know, there used to be a Media Matters citation, but fortunately someone had the sense to scale back on the excessive MM sourcing).  What really makes this controversial?  Did it lead to a boycott?  Did advertisers pull their sponsorship from Gibson's show?  Was he fired?  Did a non-partisan group condemn him?

 * I would be okay with keeping the white/black shooter comment, as it was an outrageous thing to say. However, if we can't find a reliable source of criticism, it needs to go.  Again, where's the outrage that would make this noteworthy?

 * The Heath Ledger comments are worth keeping in, although the criticism sources are no surprise (the surprise would be if Huffington Post and Media Matters DIDN'T criticize him). But since Gibson apologized for his comments, that makes them controversial by my standards.

 * As far as the Holder / monkey with a blue scrotum thing goes, there's a reliable, non-opinion source on it, and someone did get fired over the incident (making it both noteworthy AND controversial, unlike the other nitpicking on this page). It also, in a way, provides balance to the article, as it points out an instance where Gibson was the target of unfair and inaccurate criticism.

 * Drop the making more babies passage, find a source for the shooter comment or remove it, and leave the rest. Then we're truly looking at a page that is basically balanced, properly sourced, and full of noteworthy bits of information.  Any thoughts?  Ynot4tony2 (talk) 00:52, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

 * No one has objected to the last change I made, and no one has commented on my proposed changes. I guess it's safe to assume this page has fallen off the radar of the people trying to turn this into a Media Matters mirror site.

 * I'm going to go ahead and remove the "make more babies" passage, as it's obviously not noteworthy enough to merit mention in a reliable, non-opinion source. These actions will bring this page closer to Wikipedia standards, even though it will still have the stench of partisan opinion blogs tainting it. Ynot4tony2 (talk) 02:31, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Gibson vs. the BBC
User Fat&Happy reverted additions which show that Gibson's claims about the BBC were supported by reputable sources. User Fat&Happy undid this with the reason given that the articles did not mention Gibson by name. It was not necessary for them to mention him by name. Gibson's claim of anti-American bias was supported by the articles so there is no justification for their removal. This article as a whole suffers from a left-wing political bias against Gibson and the sentences I added give it a more neutral POV. The user needs to provide better justification before deleting the sentences again otherwise it smacks of vandalism.RickW7x2 (talk) 20:27, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

 * Please read Synthesis of published material that advances a position. We should add references that discuss Gibson and the BBC.  We cannot add sources which do not mention Gibson at all to construct our own interpretation of events.   Gamaliel  ( talk ) 20:35, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

It is not a personal interpretation of events, it is factual data supporting a claim made in the article, without which bias is inserted into it.RickW7x2 (talk) 22:20, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

 * It is in fact an interpretation, since you are using sources which do not mention Gibson at all and connecting them to Gibson. This is a textbook example of WP:SYNTH.   Gamaliel  ( talk ) 22:35, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Gibson is a twat but Fish-n-Chips bias .. O Yeah Brits perennial butt-hurt thanks to there micropenis or metrosexual totally no homo culture.


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Lily Safra

Lily Safra (née Watkins; also Cohen, Monteverde and Bendahan; 30 December 1934 – 9 July 2022) was a Brazilian-Monegasque billionaire and socialite who amassed considerable wealth through her four marriages. She had a significant art collection and owned the historic Villa Leopolda on the French Riviera. Her net worth was estimated at $1.3 billion. She became strongly engaged with philanthropy when she married the banker Edmond Safra, and this continued through their foundation after his death in 1999.

Biography
Lily Safra was born Lily Watkins on 30 December 1934 in Porto Alegre, Brazil. She was the daughter of Wolf White Watkins, a railway engineer of Anglo-Jewish origin who was born in Czechoslovakia and moved to South America during the electrification of Brazilian railroads, and Annita Noudelman de Castro, a Uruguayan of Russian Jewish ancestry. She grew up in Rio de Janeiro, and then moved with her family to Montevideo, Uruguay.

At age 17, she met and married Mario Cohen, an Argentine hosiery magnate of Italian Jewish descent. They had three children. Lily and Mario Cohen divorced in the early 1960s.

In 1965, Lily married Alfredo Monteverde, formerly Greenberg. He was a Romanian Jewish immigrant who fled Europe in 1939. He was a leader in the Brazilian household appliance distribution business, where he established the Ponto Frio brand. Lily adopted his child, named Carlos. In 1969, Monteverde killed himself. A month after his death, Lily moved to London. Her late husband's banker, Edmond Safra, helped her secure control over her late spouse's entire fortune. She dated Safra for some time, but the romance ended. At the time, Safra's family, who is of Sephardic Jewish descent, did not approve of his relationship with Lily, who was of Ashkenazi Jewish descent.

In 1972, she married businessman Samuel Bendahan, also a Sephardic Jew, and a man of more modest means. They separated after two weeks, and she divorced him one year later.

In 1976, she married Safra. The prominent banker was of Syrian Jewish origin and a naturalized Brazilian citizen. He founded the Republic National Bank of New York. The couple divided their time among homes in New York City, Monaco, Geneva, and the Villa Leopolda on the French Riviera.

On 2 December 1999, Lily and Edmond Safra gained Monegasque citizenship.

On 3 December 1999, Edmond was killed in Monaco in a fire that was determined to be arson. His death attracted considerable media interest because of his wealth and position. Edmond Safra "apparently felt so safe here that he did not have his bodyguards stay the night when he slept in Monaco". Ted Maher, a former U.S. Green Beret, was accused of starting the fire in order to gain acceptance from Edmond Safra when he would ultimately rescue him, but it went out of control. Maher was convicted and sentenced to ten years in jail.

Edmond Safra left 50% of his assets to several charities, with the remainder divided among his family members and wife Lily, who received $800 million.

Lady Colin Campbell's novel Empress Bianca (2005) was considered to be a defamatory roman à clef by Safra's solicitor, Anthony Julius. Reacting to the legal threat in the United Kingdom, its publishers, Arcadia, withdrew the book and destroyed unsold copies. A revised edition of the book was later published in the United States.

Lily Safra died from pancreatic cancer in Geneva on 9 July 2022 at age 87.

Philanthropy and art collection
Lily Safra supported numerous foundations, organisations, and charities. In 1977, she, her husband Edmond Safra, and Nina Weiner founded the International Sephardic Education Foundation. She chaired the Edmond J. Safra Foundation, which supports medical research and humanitarian relief. The Edmond J. Safra Foundation Center for Ethics has been established at Harvard. In 2010, her donation of over $12 million established a cross-disciplinary research laboratory on institutional corruption. Part of her collection, which mainly consists of handicrafts, was auctioned at Sotheby's in 2011. In 2012 Lily Safra donated Gerhard Richter’s Abstraktes Bild 849-3 (1997) to the Israel Museum in memory of her husband, Edmond J. Safra. Several works donated to the Israel Museum are now housed in the museum's Edmond and Lily Safra Fine Arts Wing. Many of her donations came through selling pieces of her vast art collection. In 2012 she sold 70 pieces of jewelry, including a 34.05-carat rectangular-cut diamond ring, to benefit 20 charities, including one that aided impoverished Rwandan children.

Emergency relief
Safra supported the American Red Cross and helped the Hurricane Katrina victims in 2005. Through the Edmond J. Safra Philanthropic Foundation, she helped found the Edmond J. Safra Brain Research Center for the Study of Learning Disabilities at the University of Haifa.

In connection with the 2005 sale at Sotheby's of furniture and art from her collection, Safra donated $3 million to charities in New York which she and her husband had supported for many years, along with a gift to Dillard University in New Orleans to help them rebuild after Hurricane Katrina. Sotheby's announced in 2011 that an auction of Mr. and Mrs. Safra's collections, including furniture, artwork, silverware, and decorative objects, took place in New York City.

In May 2012, Safra proposed to Geneva's Christie's an exceptional auction of 70 pieces of her personal jewelry collection. The Jewels for Hope sale included 18 pieces by JAR, the largest personal collection designed by the jeweler ever to be sold. The entire record profits from the sale were donated to 32 charitable institutions around the world in the fields of healthcare, education, religion and culture, including the Elton John AIDS Foundation and Hope and Homes for Children in Romania.

Religion
Safra ensured the completion of the Edmond J. Safra Synagogue in Manhattan.

Research on healthcare
In 2009, Safra was honored by the Elton John AIDS Foundation with its "An Enduring Vision" award for her long-time support. In October 2013, Safra donated $1 million in support of the foundation's grant-making programs. That same year, Safra contributed $16 million toward Edmond and Lily Safra Children's Hospital in Tel HaShomer. She also donated $5 million toward the One Laptop Per Child project.

She established the Edmond J. Safra Family Lodge, for patients battling illnesses, as well as their families, at the National Institutes of Health near Washington, D.C. In July 2010, she donated 8 million euros to the Institute for Brain and Spinal Cord Injuries in Paris.

The Foundation and Safra also helped establish the Edmond and Lily Safra Center for Brain Sciences at the Hebrew University, and the Edmond J. Safra Center for Bioinformatics and the Edmond J. Safra Center for Ethics at the Tel Aviv University.

Safra served on the board of directors for the Michael J. Fox Foundation for Parkinson's research. In 2020, the Foundation announced the creation of The Edmond J. Safra Humanitarian Award to honor Mrs. Safra's profound philanthropic contributions to Parkinson's research and care. During her tenure as Chairwoman of The Edmond J. Safra Foundation, Lily Safra directed support to a number of initiatives at The Michael J. Fox Foundation, including early funding for the Parkinson's Progression Markers Initiative and The Edmond J. Safra Fellowship in Movement Disorders.

Also in 2009, Safra promised the Claude Pompidou Foundation a donation of 7 million euros for the construction and completion of the Claude Pompidou Institute for Alzheimer's research and treatment in the city of Nice, France. The institute was inaugurated and welcomed its first patients in 2014.

Safra was a Patron of Hope and Homes for Children in the UK and a supporter of its work for children in Romania.

Arts and culture
Safra was a member of the Chairman's Council of the Museum of Modern Art.

On 3 February 2010, at an auction in London, Safra acquired L'Homme qui marche I, a life-sized bronze sculpture by Alberto Giacometti of a man, for £65 million (US$104.3 million). The purchase became one of the most expensive works of art and the most expensive sculpture ever purchased.

In April 2019, Safra pledged €10 million towards the restoration of Notre-Dame de Paris after the fire which greatly damaged the cathedral.

Honours

 * Légion d'honneur, Officier (2011)
 * Arts et Lettres, Commandeur
 * King's College London, Honorary Fellow
 * Honorary chair, International Sephardic Education Foundation (ISEF).
 * Honorary doctorate from Haifa University
 * The Courtauld Institute of Art, Honorary Fellow
 * Honorary doctorate from Imperial College London
 * Honorary doctorate from Tel Aviv University
 * Honorary doctorate from Brandeis University
 * Honorary doctorate from Technion – Israel Institute of Technology (2018).

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Brian Fox (programmer)

Brian Jhan Fox (born 1959) is an American computer programmer and free software advocate. He is the original author of the GNU Bash shell, which he announced as a beta in June 1989. He continued as the primary maintainer of bash until at least early 1993. Fox also built the first interactive online banking software in the U.S. for Wells Fargo in 1995, and he created an open source election system in 2008.

Free Software Foundation
In 1985, Fox worked with Richard Stallman at Stallman's newly created Free Software Foundation. At the FSF, Fox authored GNU Bash, GNU Makeinfo, GNU Info, GNU Finger, GNU Echo and the readline and history libraries.

He was also the maintainer of GNU Emacs for a time, making many contributions to the software which was created and maintained for the GNU Project between 1986 and 1994.

Open source election systems
In 2008, Fox collaborated with Alan Dechert and Brent Turner to create a completely open source election system. The system was coded together with Parker Abercrombie, and demonstrated at the LinuxWorld conference in Moscone Center in San Francisco, August 5–7, 2008.

Fox also is a founding member of both the California Association of Voting Officials (CAVO) and the National Association of Voting Officials (NAVO). These not-for-profit organizations promote open source voting systems for use in public elections. Fox co-wrote a New York Times piece in 2015 with former CIA head R. James Woolsey advocating open source election systems as a means of securing US elections against interference from foreign actors.

Other software
Fox also wrote AMACS, a cut-down implementation of Emacs for the Apple II series.

Relatives
He is the fourth born in a family of six siblings, composer and musician Donal Fox, Thaddeus Fox, sister Ena Fox, Daniel Fox and sister Sara Fox-Ray. He is the son of physicist and educator Herbert Fox and grandson of artist Daniel Fox, creator of the Monopoly Man.

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WLHS

WLHS (89.9 FM) is a Classic Radio station broadcasting the golden age of radio format. Licensed to West Chester, Ohio, United States, the radio station serves the greater Cincinnati, Ohio, area. The station is currently owned by the Lakota Local School District.

History
The Lakota Local School District formerly used it for students. It had live programming during school hours and on Saturday. All other shows were taped. In July 2013, WLHS began a simulcast of WMKV FM 89.3, owned by Maple Knoll Communities.

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Anna Tatangelo

Anna Tatangelo (born 9 January 1987) is an Italian pop singer and television personality. At the age of 15, she became the youngest person to win the Newcomer's Award at the prestigious Sanremo Music Festival singing contest. Her repertoire consists mainly of pop music with slight influences of neo-melodic in some of the songs composed for her by singer Gigi D'Alessio, but also in the fifth fusion albums Progetto B. She confronted several social issues and current affairs, such as the empowerment of women, homophobia, anorexia and violence against women. Since 2007 she also wrote some songs. She participated in the Sanremo Music Festival six times in ten years, winning in 2002 with the song "Doppiamente fragile" and getting on the podium three more times: in 2005, when she came third in the category "Women" with "Ragazza di periferia", in 2006, when she came third overall and first in the women category with "Essere una donna" and in 2008, when, with the song "Il mio amico" she has reached the second position. The last was in 2011 with the song "Bastardo".

She has been in a romantic relationship with the singer Gigi D'Alessio from February 2005 to March 2020. Up to date she has sold nearly 1 million copies worldwide. She has been a guest on several Italian TV shows, including Ti Lascio una canzone on April 5, 2008, and she also won the first Italian edition of Celebrity Masterchef.

Biography
Anna Tatangelo was born in Sora to a family of producers of ciambella, traditional bagel sorana. Since 1994, age 7, she began to take part in several shows in provincial and regional contests, collecting numerous placements, such as in 1999, where she placed second with "Minifestival della canzone" of Viterbo, which she won a year later. In 2001 she participated in the concert "La nota d'oro di Blera", won the traveling "Bravissimi in tour" stop in Sora and also won the national final of Cassano. Again, she won second place in the final of the competition "Una voce per ... " and another victory to" Castelliri in Musica. " In August of that year, at age 14, she was selected by Rai for "Girofestival" where she presented her first song titled, "Dov’e’ il coraggio" ("Where is the Courage") and came third in the newcomers section and was selected to perform at the Nuove voci per Sanremo (New Voices of Sanremo) Festival in Gropparello. For the same song she shot her first music video and also signed her first record deal (with the CSB Italy – Casalba). She perfected her style at the Music Academy of Sora, where she played for the youth choir in concert. In September of that year she participated and won the academy's Song of Sanremo with the song Angelo of Syria: with this victory comes right in the cast of the youth category of the Sanremo Music Festival in 2002.

Attimo per attimo
In 2002, Tatangelo became the youngest person at 15 years old to win the Sanremo Music Festival's Newcomer's Award. Pippo Baudo chooses as co-host transmission "Sanremo Top", along with Silvia Mezzanotte, with the winner Matia Bazar. In the same year a duet with Gigi D'Alessio in "Un nuovo bacio", reaching ninth place among the best-selling singles. In July, she took part at the XVII World Youth Day, playing Amazing Grace with Tiziano Ferro, Raf, and Antonella Ruggiero in Piazza San Pietro. In 2003 Tatangelo at Sanremo Music Festival returns, this time in the Big, paired with Federico Stragà, with the song "Volere volare", signed by Claudioeg Bungaro and Claudio Passavanti. Summer Run preceded by the single comes out in August 2003 his first album, entitled Attimo per attimo produced by Fio Zanotti, the piece that gives the title track is a song originally written by the same Zanotti for Mia Martini, who died before to run it. From the album, as well as Corri, it extracts the same Attimo per attimo and L'amore più grande che c'è. In 2004 she was chosen by Disney to sing with Gigi D'Alessio in Il mondo è mio, the soundtrack of the animated film Aladdin. In the same year, as well as working with several concerts of his first official tour, established a collaboration with the Video Italia channel: she was entrusted with the band for the afternoon Playlist Italy introduce such interviews, and live video programs requested by viewers of Live Italy. Tatangelo collaborates with Video Italia for two years.

Ragazza di periferia
In 2005, at eighteen, she participated for the third time at the Sanremo Music Festival with "Ragazza di periferia", a song written by Gigi D'Alessio with Vincenzo D'Agostino and Adriano Pennino. The song will be classified third in the category Women and weeks after the position reaches number 16 in the ranking of best-selling singles in Italy. By participating in the Festival will also quit the singer's second album, also titled "Ragazza di periferia". Two songs on the album (Dimmi dimmi e Quando dua si lasciano) are included in the soundtrack of the movie "Troppo belli". In July, after graduating from high school, Tatangelo starts on Tour in 2005, which includes several dates throughout Italy. When two are left is the new single. On 23 September the same year she participates in an O'scià and Italian pop music festival conceived by Claudio Baglioni and, during the same month, is the third single from the album, Qualcosa di te. In December, the host of the tour to Australia by Gigi D'Alessio. In 2006 Tatangelo her debut on records in Brazil and South America and get flattering criticism from European and French in particular. For the fourth time in five years, participated in the 56th Sanremo Music Festival with "Essere una donna", a song composed by Mogol and Gigi D'Alessio. During the course of the event on the evening of duets, performing a reworked version of the song, accompanied by Alberto Radius and Ricky Portera. The song won in the category Women and this statement allows her to participate in the final vote, where it ranks third. The song reached the fourth position in the FIMI. With the fourth participation in the Festival also comes a reissue of the album Ragazza di periferia, to which is added to the song San Remo and the brand "Colpo di fulmine", becoming one of the catchphrases of the summer 2006. The album was certified platinum with 150.000 copies sold. In summer, toured Italy with the summer tour and is awarded to the first in Venice Music Awards for Female Revelation 2006. In September, participating for the second consecutive year, the Festival O' scià.

Mai dire mai
Preceded by the single "Averti qui" arrives on 2 November, after a wait of two years, the third album titled "Mai dire mai", which represents the Tatangelo his debut as a writer: his people are the texts of the already mentioned here and Averti qui e Lo so che finirà, the album, which also sees the contribution of Gaetano Curreri of the Stadio, along with author Saverio Grandi Cosa ne sai, reached the sixth position of the FIMI and in November for a week also enters the Billboard European Hot 100, a prestigious list of 100 best-selling albums in Europe, the eightieth position, in addition to this unique Italian album of Eros Ramazzotti e ². Between October and November of that year, Tatangelo was a guest in the American tour of Gigi D'Alessio. The second single from the album, from 23 November, I know it will end, accompanied by a video shot in San Francisco during the American tour under the direction of Gaetano Morbioli. The song, with over 18,000 downloads and reaches a gold record. The year 2008 saw its fifth participation in the Sanremo Festival, where it ranks second with the song "Il mio amico", dedicated to a gay friend of the singer. The song reaches the second position in the ranking of best-selling singles and was certified platinum. Anna, duet with Michael Bolton and the same is inserted in the repackaging of the duet Mai dire mai, published on 29 February, who has since passed 130,000 copies and also reached platinum status. In March, begins his first theater tour throughout Italy, which received huge acclaim, and 17 May on the summer tour dates with more than fifty throughout Italy and one in Switzerland (Zurich), in September. On 30 May, extracts the new single "mai dire mai".

Nel mondo delle donne
On 7 November 2008 the new single "Profumo di mamma", the song anticipates the release of the new disc, which occurred on 28 November, titled in the world of women, a concept album entirely focused on the female. The album after only one month is certified platinum with over 100,000 copies sold. From 30 January enters the second single chosen radio airplay for the album, Rose broken song of protest against the abuse of women. With this single, the artist joins the association "Doppia difesa" of Michelle Hunziker and Giulia Bongiorno, and on 5 February, on the cover of TV Smiles and Songs with the same Hunziker, says it will donate the proceeds arising from the above download the song foundation. In June 2009, contributes to the mega-concert at the San Siro stadium in Milan in favor of victims of the L'Aquila earthquake of 2009. The charity initiative called Friends for Abruzzo is the brainchild of Laura Pausini and involves other female singers of Italian music. While giving his adherence Anna Tatangelo can not attend the event, however, on 21 June for health reasons. On 27 November 2009 he released QPGA, album Claudio Baglioni in which the song "Due universi" is sung in duet with Tatangelo and Gigi D'Alessio.

Reality TV
In 2010 the singer participates in as a judge, the fourth edition of X Factor: Anna Tatangelo is entrusted with the Women 16/24, driving with the help of Adriano Pennino as a vocal coach. On 10 December 2010, with Valeria Marini and Gigi D'Alessio, publishes the compilation 3 x Te, project whose proceeds are intended to be donated to the associations Noi come voi, Doppia difesa and Amri In 2011 Anna Tatangelo is participating for the sixth time in Sanremo Music Festival with a song of which he is co-author, Bastardo, a rock ballad, with which it to the finals and is ranked ninth. The performances of the song are the most-watched by viewers of the 2011 according to Auditel (with 17.088 million contacts in one evening at onset). In conjunction with participation in the festival the singer is published 16 February 2011, the fifth album titled Project B. The album contains 12 previously unreleased songs and a re-interpretation of "Mamma", the song by Cesare Andrea Bixio chosen by the artist for the evening's special festival for the 150 anniversary of the unification of Italy. Among the authors of the songs on the album appear that Mario Biondi and signature Se e L'aria che respiro, the latter a duet sung by Tatangelo and published on 1 April as the second single, and Renato Zero, who wrote the song dedicated to the artist, Anna. On 22 March the Mondadori publishes the autobiography of Anna Tatangelo "Ragazza di periferia, La mia piccola favola". In May of that year he took part in the Wind Music Awards and the tour begins. Senses comes out on 24 June, the third single from Progetto B, accompanied by a video directed by Cosimo Alemà previewed on the site of ANSA and published by 27 June. In 2012, Tatangelo was teamed with Stefano Di Filippo in the eighth season of Ballando con le Stelle (the Italian version of Dancing with the Stars), broadcast on Rai Uno and hosted by Milly Carlucci with Paolo Belli. They placed third overall in the competition and won a standing ovation from judges and the public. Won boogie woogie Award, which goes annually to the couple who ran the ball better. Take part in Dancing with you where he won the team battle in Bobo Vieri team and ranks second in the Champions League.

On 15 June 2012 Anna performed at the studios' Interlomas "of Mexico City as a guest in the concert Gigi D'Alessio singing "Un nuovo bacio" and "Lo so che finirà" in Spanish. In September 2012, Anna flew to Egypt for a photoshoot and a TV transmission on travel and she was judge of Miss Italy on 9 and 10 September.

Anna has won the second edition of Celebrity Masterchef in 2018. Her new album, "La fortuna sia con me", will be a success in Italy.

On 2020 Anna has released her new trap single, Guapo, featuring Geolier. This single is a very famous in Italy and has reached almost 11 million views on YouTube and 4 million streams on Spotify.

Singles

 * "Dov'è il coraggio" (promotional CD, not released commercially) (2001)
 * "Doppiamente fragili" (2002)
 * "Un nuovo bacio" (2002)
 * "Volere volare" (2003)
 * "Corri" (2003)
 * "L'amore più grande che c'è" (2004)
 * "Ragazza di periferia" (2005)
 * "Quando due si lasciano" (2005)
 * "Qualcosa di te" (2005)
 * "Essere una donna" (2006)
 * "Colpo di fulmine" (2006)
 * "Averti qui" (2007)
 * "Lo so che finirà" (2007)
 * "Il mio amico" (2008)
 * "Mai dire mai" (2008)
 * "Profumo di mamma" (2008)
 * "Rose spezzate" (2009)
 * "Bastardo" (2012)
 * "L'aria che respiro" (2012)
 * "Sensi" (2012)
 * "Occhio per occhio" (2013)
 * "Senza dire che" (2014)
 * "Muchacha" (2014)
 * "Libera" (2015)
 * "Inafferrabile" (2015)
 * "Gocce di cristallo" (2015)
 * "Natale italiano" (2017)
 * "Chiedere scusa" (2018)
 * "Ragazza di periferia 2.0" (2018)
 * "Le nostre anime di notte" (2019)
 * "Perdona" (2019)
 * "Tutto ciò che serve" (2019)
 * “La fortuna sia con me” (2020)
 * “Guapo” (2020)
 * "Fra me e te" (2020)
 * "Serenata" (2021)
 * "Sangria" (2021)

Duets

 * "Un nuovo bacio" (2002, with Gigi D'Alessio)
 * "Volere volare" (2003, with Federico Stragà)
 * "Il mondo è mio" (2004, with Gigi D'Alessio)
 * "Il mio amico" (2008, with Michael Bolton)
 * "Sarai" (2008, with Gigi D'Alessio)
 * "L'aria che respiro" (2012, with Mario Biondi)
 * "'O core e na femmina" (2017, with Gigi D'Alessio)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/RPGclassics

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RPGclassics
Looooooooooooong, POV article about non-notable web forum. RickK 06:10, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy Vanity. You beat me to it.  It's also copyvio from the forum's site.  --Xcali 06:11, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy I edited a bit too fast, it's not encyclopedic in the least. --Vile Requiem 06:13, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * As what I originally posted on the article itself was for it to be cleaned up, and it has, my vote is Keep. --Vile Requiem 04:32, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy. Gamaliel 06:34, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete non-notable -CunningLinguist 07:27, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy as vanity and copyvio. Jamyskis 07:37, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy if only for vanity. -Tadanisakari 07:45, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment - FYI, "vanity" is not currently a speedy criteria; there is an ongoing discussion on the subject at Deletion policy/Reducing VfD load..  Soundguy99 13:03, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete as copyvio, though I would argue that RPGclassics.com *is* a notable site. I've certainly heard of it before.  -- Jonel 02:30, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Author claims permission. If verified, my vote is Keep. -- Jonel 02:47, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Cleanup - Forum may be notable but we don't need the gory details of every forum drama that ever took place. --FCYTravis 08:11, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy, just a random webpage. Radiant_ >|< 09:31, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete vanity. JamesBurns 05:18, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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Derek Alan Walker
He became a famous businessman in only two years. Then why haven't I heard of him? Why hasn't Google heard of his company? Why can't we speedy stuff like this?--Xcali 06:14, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete patent vanity, should be able to be speedied. --FCYTravis 07:22, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy, blatant and shameless vanity, apparently also exaggerating and/or lying about his own feats. Jamyskis 07:39, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Because two editors is not enough. As Jamyskis says, this appears to be exaggeration or falsehood.  No cited sources.  WP:BIO criteria not met. Delete. Uncle G 12:21, 2005 Jun 13 (UTC)
 * Delete: It's vanity, of course, but I also think that "vanity" is the one charge where VfD nominators (and voters) are most likely to make a mistake. Consequently, "vanity" isn't a speedy.  At the same time, I fully share everyone's frustration. Geogre 12:29, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Vanity isn't a reason for speedying, but patent nonsense is, and there is absolutely zilch proof that much of this article is correct. Jamyskis Whisper, Contribs, Me 23:33, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete vanity, vanity, vanity. --Etacar11 23:22, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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Talk:Tau Kappa Epsilon

Notable Chapters
I've noticed on some other fraternity pages there are small mentions of chapters that have generated regional/national news (aside from hazing deaths.) Are there any TKE chapters that would fit into a category like this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darryl.jensen (talk • contribs) 19:56, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

 * Delta Epsilon chapter at Cleveland State has Guiness book of world records for trampoline jumping. 2603:6010:C94D:1100:7093:2A5E:4F11:4766 (talk) 02:00, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I added this mention to the List of Tau Kappa Epsilon chapters and colonies. Jmnbqb (talk) 03:37, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Symbols, traditions, and other stuff
I've added some symbols and traditions, and also officer titles in greek as well as english. I plan on adding more, and cleaning up the articles that I got off our web page, which I believe come from national, and are public domain anyway. I'm going to be adding more imformation as the summer progresses. I'll probably suggest to our hegeamon that this page would be a good resource.--Mh143 06:18, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Good stuff Mh143, I've removed the stub notice now. As for tke.org, there is no copyright notice which means that copyright is presumed and therefore applied.  Try just using it for information, and re-write in your own words.   T e  k e  05:08, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

affiliation with Corps of the Weinheimer Senioren-Convent
Why is this included in the introductory section? The only reference of this relationship (I wouldn't call it an affiliation) is in the Summer 2003 edition of The Teke Is this worth including? Darryl.jensen (talk) 18:45, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

 * Refer to the message above in "Some changes". Should a Teke travel outside to Europe, more specifically Germany and Austria, there is still a notion of camaraderie and affiliation between TKE and the WSC fraternal organizations. It would be well worth mentioning this affiliation between the two organizations in our introduction paragraph. CanadianTKE (talk) 07:11, 29 August 2018 (UTC)comment added by CanadianTKE (talk • contribs)

St. Jude Children's Research Hospital
"Tau Kappa Epsilon provides support for numerous philanthropies and charitable services, most notably St. Jude Children's Research Hospital, which was founded by Danny Thomas, a member of the Gamma-Nu Chapter at the University of Toledo. In 2019, Tau Kappa Epsilon increased its commitment towards St. Jude Children's Research Hospital with pledging to raise $10 million within the next 10 years. As of July 2022, ΤΚΕ has raised $3.3 million towards this commitment."

This is very detailed for being part of the introduction, and seems to suffer a bit from recentism, with a heavy focus on charity in recent years. Maybe it should be moved to a separate section? /Julle (talk) 23:55, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

 * In the meanwhile, I've moved this to a separate section. /Julle (talk) 19:27, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

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Demotion of content that previously received the designation of featured status continues to be a sensitive matter, as the process for removing featured articles is still being debated. With the new emphasis on enforcing policies against images with restrictive licenses, the issue is now coming up for featured pictures as well.

There were 4 new admins, 13 new featured articles, 2 new featured lists, and 4 new featured pictures this week.

Featured article removal rules
Debate continues over the featured article removal policy, after the new procedure suggested by Nichalp was eliminated and other users suggested alternatives that would decrease the number of unfair nominations for removal of featured article status.

Neutrality removed the rules added last week to featured article removal candidates by Nichalp after a straw poll showed opposition over support in a two to one ratio. Piotrus and Nichalp suggested other methods of encouraging users to clarify their reasons for nominating an article to be demoted, but their proposals have not received the same amount of attention that was given to the straw poll. While the discussion continued, no featured article removal candidates were demoted this week.

New admins
4 requests for adminship were approved last week: Kbdank71 (nom), Sjakkalle (nom), JeremyA (nom), Kelly Martin (nom).

Featured content
After a slow week last week, the number of new featured articles jumped to 13 this week. The featured article candidates that passed inspection were Architecture of Windows 2000 (with Windows 2000 already having achieved this distinction earlier), the late George F. Kennan, Geography of India, Isaac Brock (the general, not the musician), Yom Kippur War, United States Senate, BC Rail, Gangtok, Vanilla Ninja, Island Fox, Anschluss, RMS Titanic, and David Helvarg.

Two featured list candidates, List of countries where UN peacekeepers are currently deployed and List of Presidents of the United States, were promoted this week. This brings the total number of featured lists to five.

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Four featured picture candidates were promoted this week, and Eastern Yellow Robin was demoted over concerns over licensing. The image, created by Tannin, carries one of the more restrictive types of Creative Commons licenses, which have been declared unacceptable for Wikipedia (see archived story). Discussion took place on Tannin's talk page over the defeaturing of the image and the possible future deletion of his images. Tannin explained that he does not release his images under the GFDL because it allows the images to be used for "naked commercial sleaze and greed", which, he argues, is not in the best interest of Wikipedia.


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Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2005-06-20/Arbitration report

The Arbitration Committee closed only one case last week, but also decided to start a second mentorship experiment in response to Everyking's appeal of his previous case. Two new cases appear to have been accepted, although they and others have yet to be formally opened.

One case was closed last week involving Internodeuser, who had gotten involved in a dispute over the Port Arthur Massacre. The arbitrators found that Internodeuser had made threats of legal action as well as various personal attacks, and decided to ban him for a period of one year (as with a similar previous case, the ban runs until a year "after his most recent legal threat").

An attempt to close the long-running climate change dispute, currently the committee's oldest outstanding case, was opposed due to the lack of a remedy regarding JonGwynne. This user was added to the case, originally involving Cortonin and William M. Connolley, after it was already well underway (see archived story). As a result, the proposed decision did not address the additional issues adequately, and some additional proposals are now being considered in order to bring the case to a conclusion.

Two more of the outstanding requests for arbitration picked up a fourth vote to accept and now wait to be opened. One of these involves a conflict between Guy Montag and Yuber, with charges from both sides of combative editing and violations of the neutral point of view policy. The other matter is a complaint by Rhobite about personal attacks by JuliusThyssen.

Appeal leads to mentorship
Finally, the arbitrators found a way to grant, on a trial basis, Everyking's longstanding wish to again be able to edit articles related to Ashlee Simpson. After having been banned from those articles in April for a period of a year, Everyking appealed to have the ban lifted at the earliest date allowed, two months after the decision.

In response to the appeal, arbitrator Raul654 negotiated an agreement in which the ban would be suspended in exchange for Everyking agreeing to submit his editing to the supervision of a mentorship team. The terms of the mentorship are essentially identical to those of a similar arrangement made with Netoholic (see archived story), with the primary difference being their scope — Netoholic's mentorship focuses on templates and the Wikipedia namespace, while Everyking's is focused on content dealing with Ashlee Simpson. Everyking's mentors will be Silsor, Tony Sidaway, and Rhobite.


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Green on Red

Green on Red was an American rock band, formed in the Tucson, Arizona punk scene, but based for most of its career in Los Angeles, California, where it was loosely associated with the Paisley Underground. Earlier records have the wide-screen psychedelic sound of first-wave desert rock, while later releases tended more towards traditional country rock.

History
The band began in 1979 as The Serfers, a four-piece made up of Dan Stuart (vocals/guitar), Jack Waterson (bass), Van Christian (drums, later of Naked Prey) and Sean Nagore (organ), quickly replaced by Chris Cacavas. In the summer of 1980, the Serfers relocated to Los Angeles, where they changed their name to Green on Red (after the title of one of their songs) to avoid confusion with the local surf punk scene. Christian returned to Tucson and was replaced by Lydia Lunch sideman Alex MacNicol.

The band issued an overtly psychedelic, self-released red vinyl EP, sometimes called Two Bibles, though its first widely available record was an EP issued in 1982 by Dream Syndicate leader Steve Wynn on his own Down There label. Green on Red followed the Dream Syndicate onto Slash Records, which released the album Gravity Talks in the fall of 1983. San Francisco-based guitarist Chuck Prophet joined for the 1985 Gas Food Lodging (Enigma), after which MacNicol was replaced on drums by Keith Mitchell (later of Mazzy Star). In 2006 'Gas' was performed live in its entirety as part of the All Tomorrow's Parties-curated Don't Look Back series. Also in 1985, Stuart collaborated with Steve Wynn as "Danny & Dusty" on the album The Lost Weekend (A&M).

A major-label deal with Phonogram/Mercury followed, with the 7-song EP No Free Lunch released in summer 1986. A strong country music direction was evident, which music critic Ira Robbins remarked "should finally erase the group's original misassociation with the dreaded paisley underground". The album The Killer Inside Me appeared one year later, produced by Jim Dickinson at Ardent Studios in Memphis. The band split up afterwards; Cacavas began recording albums under his own name. When Stuart returned to recording he decided to use the Green on Red name. In 1989, the band—now consisting of Stuart and Prophet—released Here Come the Snakes. They hired backing musicians, including Christopher Holland on keyboards. In 1991 they released Scapegoats, but after the 1992 album Too Much Fun Stuart stopped using the name.

Post Green on Red, Stuart recorded the album Retronuevo with Al Perry in 1993, and solo effort Can O'Worms in 1995, and then essentially quit the music business; Prophet maintains a career as a solo artist and semi-celebrity sideman.

However, in September 2005, the band reformed in its "golden era" line-up of Stuart, Cacavas, Prophet and Waterson, with Daren Hess filling in for Alex MacNicol (who had died in 2004) to play a one-off show as part of the celebrations for the 20th anniversary of Club Congress in Tucson. This was followed up by a show in London on 10 January 2006 (ostensibly to complete their aborted 1987 European tour).

In 2007, Stuart and Wynn released their second studio album as Danny & Dusty, Cast Iron Soul, on Blue Rose Records. Danny & Dusty followed up in the same year with Here's to You Max Morlock—Live in Nuremberg, a live double album and DVD.

Dan Stuart formed The Slummers in 2010, with JD Foster, Antonio Gramentieri, and Diego Sapignoli. They released their debut album, Love of the Amateur, and toured Europe a year later.

In 2012, Dan Stuart reemerged in Oaxaca de Juarez, Mexico, and released a new solo record, The Deliverance of Marlowe Billings.

EPs

 * Two Bibles (Green on Red, 1981)
 * Green on Red (Down There, 1982)
 * No Free Lunch (Mercury, 1985) - UK No. 99

LPs

 * Gravity Talks (Slash, 1983)
 * Gas Food Lodging (Enigma, 1985)
 * The Killer Inside Me (Mercury, 1987)
 * Here Come the Snakes (Restless, 1989)
 * This Time Around (China, 1989)
 * Scapegoats (China, 1991)
 * Too Much Fun (Off Beat, 1992)

Lives and compilations

 * Live At The Town And Country Club (China Records 1989)
 * The Little Things in Life (China Records 1991)
 * Archives: What We Were Thinking (Normal Records, 1998)
 * Valley Fever - Live at the Rialto (Blue Rose Records - CD + DVD 2006)
 * BBC Sessions (Maida Vale Records, 2007)

Danny & Dusty

 * The Lost Weekend (A&M Rec. – 395 075-1) CCD + LP 1985
 * Cast Iron Soul (Blue Rose Rec. – BLUDP 0418) CD + DVD 2007
 * Here's To You, Max Morlock (Blue Rose Rec. – BLUDP 0531) DCD + DVD 2007

Al Perry & Dan Stuart

 * Retronuevo (Normal, 1993)

Dan Stuart

 * Can O'Worms (Monkey Hill, 1995)
 * Dan Stuart: 4 Songs (Padre Lindo, 2011)
 * The Deliverance of Marlowe Billings (Cadiz Music, 2012)

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Wren & Martin

Wren & Martin refers to a single book High School English Grammar and Composition or collectively, a series of English grammar textbooks written jointly by P. C. Wren and H. Martin. Written primarily for the children of British officers residing in India, these books were widely adopted by Indian and Pakistani schools in the post-colonial era and missionary schools in Burma. The books were published in 1935, with a discussion on composition added later. The content in the books is largely based on The Manual of English Grammar and Composition by J. C. Nesfield.

Other books in this series are Elementary English Grammar, A First Book of English Grammar and Composition, High School English Grammar and Composition and A Final Course of Grammar & Composition. The series of textbooks is still in use at many Indian schools. While semantic change has dated the original books, they continue to enjoy considerable popularity and updated versions are now in common use. Copies of the different versions of this series are available online.

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Neophyte (band)

Neophyte is a Dutch hardcore, or gabber, group formed in 1992 in Rotterdam, Netherlands. The three original members are Jeroen Streunding (DJ Neophyte, The Beholder for hardstyle releases), Danny Greten and Robin van Roon.

History
Jeroen Streunding was a DJ and organised smaller parties around 1990 before he met Danny Greten at a local party, when they decided to work on some tracks together. Robin van Roon also joined them after a while. Both Greten and van Roon were best friends, and classmates of Jeroens' younger sister. Having produced some tracks on an old Amiga Computer with Protracker, the three went to visit DJ Paul Elstak, who had just started his label Rotterdam Records where they hoped to be contracted. However, Elstak considered their tracks to be 'pure noise'. Several months and several try-outs later, Elstak suddenly liked their tracks and decided to release them on his label. As the years went by, Greten, Streunding and van Roon had more releases, and started performing on parties. In 1995, Robin van Roon left the group for his studies and Jarno Butter, a guitarist and good friend of Danny, was added for their live acts.

In 2005, Neophyte released a compilation album dedicated to their 13 years of existence titled 13 Jaar Terreur (13 Years of Terror). It also contains tracks of the group released under different names such as "Bodylotion". Neophyte is also running a record label called Neophyte Records, currently hosting artists such as Tha Playah, DJ Panic and Evil Activities.

Albums

 * The Three Amiga E.P. (Rotterdam Records, 1993)
 * Protracker E.P. (Rotterdam Records, 1993)
 * Noise Is The Message (Rotterdam Records, 1994)
 * Execute (Rotterdam Records, 1996)
 * Get This Motherfucker (Rotterdam Records, 1996)
 * Real Hardcore (Rotterdam Records, 1997)
 * Not Enough Middle Fingers (Neophyte Records, 2000)
 * At War (Neophyte Records, 2001)
 * Ten Years of Terror (Traxtorm Records, 2001)
 * 13 Jaar Terreur (De Megamix) (Neophyte Records, 2005) Highest placement in the Dutch Album top 100: No. 29
 * Bonkers 15 - Legends Of The Core Mix with Scott Brown (Resist Records), 2005
 * Rechtoe, Rechtaan (Neophyte Records, (2006) Highest placement in the Dutch Album top 100: No. 69
 * InvasionInvasion (Neophyte Records, 2007)
 * Mainiak: Chapter 1 (Neophyte Records, 2011)
 * Mainiak: Chapter 2 (Neophyte Records, 2013)

Selected singles

 * "Mikey" (1993)
 * "Mellow Moenie Mauwe" (1994) as Bodylotion
 * "Make You Dance" (1994) as Bodylotion
 * "Fuck Martina" (1994) as Bodylotion
 * "Ik wil hakke!" (1994) as Bodylotion
 * "Happy is voor Hobos" (1995) as Bodylotion
 * "Get This Motherfucker" (1995) with The Stunned Guys
 * "Execute" (1995)
 * "Hardcore To Da Bone" (1996) as Masters of Ceremony
 * "Always Hardcore" (1996) as Bodylotion
 * "Braincracking" (1996)
 * "Army of Hardcore" (1996) with The Stunned Guys
 * "Hardcore To Da Bone - The Remixes" (1997) as Masters of Ceremony
 * "Alles kapot" (2004) with Evil Activities
 * "Skullfuck" (2004) as Masters of Ceremony
 * "Je moet je muil houwen" (2005) with MC Ruffian
 * "Back in My Brain Again" (2007)
 * "Trasher" (2011) with Tha Playah
 * "TD is You" (The Official Thunderdome Anthem) (2012) with Promo and Minckz
 * "Coming At You Strong" (2013) with Tieum and Rob Gee
 * "Fight With Anger" (2015) with Angerfist

DVDs

 * 13 Jaar Terreur (2005)
 * One Year on a Daft Planet - Neophyte World Tour (2007)

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Ottawa Stadium

Ottawa Stadium is a baseball stadium in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, with a seating capacity of 10,332. The stadium is located in the city's east end near the interchange of Queensway and Vanier Parkway. It has been used for minor-league professional baseball and music concerts since 1993.

History
The stadium was built to house the Ottawa Lynx of the International League and opened prior to the 1993 season. In its first season, the Lynx sold out 43 games and set an International League attendance record by averaging 9,772 fans per game. However, annual attendance steadily declined from there, except for a modest increase in 2001. By 2006, Ottawa had the lowest average attendance in the league. The Lynx relocated after the 2007 season.

After the departure of the Lynx, the City of Ottawa considered other proposals for the site but kept the stadium as a baseball facility for the following season. Among the proposals rejected by the city in 2007 were:

 * conversion of the stadium into the "Steelback Centre", a variable-use complex that could host 25,000 for concerts and 15,000 for sporting events as proposed by Frank D'Angelo of Steelback Brewery;
 * replacement of the stadium by a casino;
 * replacement of the stadium with a larger Ottawa Congress Centre;
 * redevelopment of the site as conventional retail or office space.

A new team, the Ottawa Rapidz of the Can-Am League, was established in December 2007 and began to play in 2008. Despite attracting higher attendance than the Lynx in its final season, the Rapidz declared bankruptcy on 29 September 2009. A new team, the Voyageurs, was announced by the Can-Am league for the 2009 season. However, the league was faced with a lack of prospective owners for the team and with declining economic conditions and disbanded the Voyageurs in March 2009.

The stadium remained unused in 2009 except for a late-August series of community baseball games sponsored by Ottawa city councillor Bob Monette. Earlier, following the demise of the Voyageurs, Monette had suggested that the stadium be dismantled and the land sold to generate funds which could be applied to a new sports venue.

In August 2009, area businessmen Dave Butler and Duncan MacDonald presented a proposal which would renovate the existing stadium facility for activities throughout the year, including use as a venue for Winterlude.

In January 2010, the Intercounty Baseball League voted 6–2 in favour of presenting the Ottawa Stadium Group with an expansion franchise that would play at the Ottawa Baseball Stadium On 10 March 2010, the IBL confirmed that the application for an IBL expansion franchise had been accepted. The new team, the Ottawa Fat Cats, played from 2010 through 2012.

After spending two years negotiating with various ownership groups to bring a double-A baseball franchise to Ottawa, including a prospective deal with Mandalay Baseball which required the city to invest $40 million in stadium renovations, the city signed a ten-year lease with the Can-Am League to field a team in 2015, named the Ottawa Champions, however the Can-Am League merged with the Frontier League after the 2019 season and the Champions were left off the 2020 Frontier League schedule, leaving the stadium again without a tenant.

In September 2020, the addition of a Frontier League team in Ottawa was announced, with a lease to play at RCGT Park.

During the Freedom Convoy 2022 protests, the Titans permitted the city to permit protester's use of the parking lot for one weekend, an attempt to alleviate congestion. Protesters instead set up a long term supply centre at the facility.

Branding
Ottawa company JetForm first bought the naming rights to the stadium in 1993 and it was called JetForm Park. The name was changed to Lynx Stadium after the 2002 season when JetForm changed its name to Accelio. For the 2008 season, the Rapidz marketed the stadium as Rapidz Stadium. From 2008-2015, it was known as Ottawa Stadium.

On 12 March 2015, it was announced that accounting firm Raymond Chabot Grant Thornton had signed a three-year naming rights deal, renaming the stadium "Raymond Chabot Grant Thornton Park".

Design
The stadium is in the split-level design, with a concourse running around the middle of the seating bowl. This concourse is at street level, so fans in the "lower" seats walk down, and fans in the "upper" seats walk up. All seats are blue chair-back models. Concessions, restrooms, a gift shop, and a kids' play area are located along a wider concourse (also at street level) located underneath the upper seats.

The stadium also features skyboxes and the "Upper Deck" restaurant (No longer operational) perched behind home plate. The windows do not open, there is no outdoor seating at this level. Access is by elevator from the concourse below. This room is now labelled an event space, can be booked for parties of 50 plus. There are open-air picnic tables down the left-field line which are also available to all fans.

Coventry Road runs along the left-field fence, and games can easily be seen from the street while driving or walking. There is less than 50 ft of buffer between the stadium wall and the road, so flying balls can occasionally pose a hazard to passing cars.

Concerts
Concerts have been held at the stadium on rare occasions:

 * 19 July 1998: Stardust Picnic with Blue Rodeo, Great Big Sea, 54-40, The Waltons and Weeping Tile;
 * 20–21 September 2002: Molson Canadian Snowjam featuring Treble Charger, Rascalz, Dropkick Murphys, Goldfinger, Swollen Members, Moka Only, Bowling For Soup, Simple Plan, Mudmen, 54stance, and Chuck Calibre
 * 5 July 2007: Nickelback, Daughtry, Puddle of Mudd, State of Shock
 * 30 June–1 July 2012: Escapade Music Festival
 * 4–5 September 2021: Escapade Music Festival
 * 15 October 2023: JON Festival

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William A. Ashbrook

William Albert Ashbrook (July 1, 1867 – January 1, 1940) was an American businessman, newspaper publisher, and Democratic politician from Ohio.

He was born near Johnstown, Licking County, Ohio, and attended the local public schools. Later, he studied business in Lansing, Michigan.

In 1884 he founded a newspaper, The Johnstown Independent. He also engaged in banking. From 1893 to 1897 he served as postmaster of Johnstown.

He entered politics as a Democrat and won a seat to the Ohio House of Representatives in 1904. In 1906 he was elected to the U.S. House, where he served until he was defeated in the 1920 elections. Returning home, he resumed his newspaper publishing and banking career in Johnstown. He married Marie Swank and they had a son, John M. Ashbrook, in 1928. He ran in a successful comeback campaign for Congress in 1934, and served there until his death.

His son John would later succeed him in that congressional seat from 1961 to 1982 as a Republican.

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Although I admire your gungho and willingness to contribute, please read up on what Wikipedia is about first. Although this game may seem important to you, it is not quite encyclopedia material. I suggest you read WP:NOT as well as just read the encyclopedia first and look at how things are done before you make other edits. Otherwise, I hope your game grows so that someday we can write a concise and informative article on it. If you have any questions, feel free to leave a message on my talk page. Thanks! Sasquatch′↔Talk↔Contributions 06:20, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

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