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Talk:Dollar hegemony

copyright?
I just read the Henry C.K. Liu article... and I think it is straight-out copied. This article, unfortunately, doesn't appear to be much better.

The first paragraph (save the first sentance) seems to be a direct copy of Liu's article http://www.atimes.com/global-econ/DD11Dj01.html

Compare article...
 * History

 * The world's current international finance architecture is based on the US dollar as the dominant reserve currency. Ever since 1971, when US president Richard Nixon took the dollar off the gold standard (at $35 per ounce) that had been agreed to at the Bretton Woods Conference at the end of World War II, the dollar has been a global monetary instrument that the United States, and only the United States, can produce by fiat.

with Lui's article:

 * Ever since 1971, when US president Richard Nixon took the dollar off the gold standard (at $35 per ounce) that had been agreed to at the Bretton Woods Conference at the end of World War II, the dollar has been a global monetary instrument that the United States, and only the United States, can produce by fiat.

Then compare the paragraph that follows. Looks like a copyright violation to me. Nephron 05:22, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm convinced this is copyright violation. The second paragraph of the version from 02:32, 29 May 2005 is word-for-word copy of Lui's article, with the exception of the first sentence and deletion of a few sentences in between. Nephron 19:14, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Article has been reverted to the pre-copyvio version--Duk 19:13, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Edits about old books and who coined the term

 * 1) Liu coined the term, this article should be about how he defines it. So keep out Hudson's ideas, they are already present in the Monetary hegemony article.
 * 2) Testiments to who coined which term and when the terms was coined does NOT belong in the article, but here on the talk page. Stop putting such discussion inside the article. A human 01:53, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Who coined the term?
I removed this from the article, as it belongs here in the talk page: A human 02:03, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Michael Hudson wrote in a post to The A-List on February 19, 2006: "I want to make clear that the term dollar hegemony is indeed Henry's [Henry C.K. Liu]."

 * Sorry, but Michael Hudson's quote notwithstanding, the term "dollar hegemony" clearly predates the 2002 date in the article. Trivially it is the title of Jean Gabriel's book "The Dollar Hegemony: Dollar, Dollarization, and Progress" published in 2000 and I believe it dates scrappedback to around WWII. I'll find further pre-dating references and post them here.

 * Given this, I believe this article needs to be completely rewritten. Gwernol 18:23, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

It is not about who coined the term...It is about what the term defines or refers to!! Since, Gwernol, Engwar, and Liu are not heavily versed in international finance, it is futile to argue with any of you for you have no understanding.

You Guys Don't Know
I would just like to spend this section thanking Gwernol, for not only redirecting attention from the point of discussion on which author coined the phenomenon, but how the actual phenomenon operates. Clearly, Henry Liu was attempting to promulgate a new label for a phenomenon (e.g. monetary hegemony, financial hegemony, currency supremacy, or dollar hegemony) that has been identified and analyzed on numerous occasions, which I find to be fraudulent and unscholarly conduct.

And if we are to be truly precise in who discovered this phenomenon first, it was actually Walter Bagehot in his work, Lombard Street: A Description Of The Money Market. Although the work identifies and discusses the phenomenon of British Monetary Hegemony, it does not give a term to it.

Many are attempting to take credit for the discovery of this phenomenon, when in fact it has existed for over 140 years.

You are all missing the point
by arguing about who discovered the phenomenon or how it is labeled you avoid the elephants in every room, and the phenomenon is certainly risen well beyond mid-importance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.108.229.219 (talk) 23:04, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Neutrality?
Why is this article a NPOV dispute? I cant see any disagreement! Fig (talk) 11:11, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Cause it says something bad about Americans. AaThinker (talk) 20:10, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds about right. Sigh. 130.217.188.28 (talk) 13:08, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

 * Removed NPOV, the only issue appeared to involve how "widely" circulated / quoted it was. I've removed and shortened quote list. - RoyBoy 04:28, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

A Concept Map
user:sparcle_z uploaded this concept map to better understand the concept of dollar hegemony. Considering global crisis like recession taking a monsterous shape all over the world user:sparcle_z is trying to understand with the help of this concept map - How Dollar Hegemony is a contributing factor. Also related topic of terrorism and current conflicts all around the world. A Wicked problem type of phenomenon in which the resolution is really difficult to arrive. The relation between usa and saudi arabia seems to be purely opportunistic, the 2 country's constitution is totally different with different ideology and religion. Dollar Hegemony seems to be contributing factor fueling terrorism. More thoughts on this is welcome. $@M 16:25, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

 * Unfotunately, as the description on the image says, it is his own creation and thus fails WP:NOR ("No Original Research"). It seems clear to me that it is own analysis of the situation.  [I like mind maps and systems diagrams and find them very useful to explain messy problems - but I can't see how to use it here without falling foul of WP:NOR or WP:SYN or both.  These are very important wikipedia principles that preserve the value of the encylopedia - otherwise it descends into the opinionated chaos of blogspace]. Consequently, I have deleted it from that article itself.  If anyone disagrees with my intepretation of the guidelines, please refer the question to the Administrators  --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 11:06, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I really appreciate thankyou very much "I Will Make Sure To Stick to policies and be politically correct." 203.200.160.116 (talk) 16:31, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

It seems clear that this concept map is original research. Why is it still here? Levogyre (talk) 18:54, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Super Imperialism The Economic Strategy of American Empire by Michael Hudson
Michael Hudson also has come to the same conclusion as Mr. Liu, in his 1972 book "Super Imperialism The Economic Strategy of American Empire". The biggest buyers of the book were the US State Department who used it as a how-to instruction manual. It was denied in public, but privately acknowledged. WjtWeston (talk) 02:25, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Advantages
"The role of the dollar in international markets, and the advantages that come with it, are the spoils of hegemonic power". What are these advantages??? Clivemacd (talk) 15:38, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

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Davitt Sigerson

Davitt Sigerson (born 1957) is an American retired record producer, executive, singer-songwriter, journalist and novelist.

Early life and education
Davitt Sigerson was born in New York City, New York, and attended school at Oxford University in England.

Career
Sigerson remained in England, writing about music for Black Music, Sounds, Melody Maker, and Time Out, before returning to the U.S. in 1979, from where he wrote for The Village Voice, Rolling Stone, and The New York Times. In 1976, he arranged a version of the Gamble and Huff song "For the Love of Money", released by the Disco Dub Band on the Movers label.

In the early 1980s, Sigerson released two solo albums for ZE as a singer-songwriter, Davitt Sigerson (1980) and Falling in Love Again (1984). Also, that year, he wrote and produced "No Time to Stop Believing" under the band name Daisy Chain. In 1990, he recorded a further album, Experiments in Terror, with keyboardist Bob Thiele Jr., as The Royal Macadamians.

Sigerson wrote songs for or with artists including Philip Bailey, Jim Henson, Loverboy, Prism, John Entwistle of the Who, and Gene Simmons of Kiss. He also produced records for Olivia Newton-John, the Bangles, Tori Amos, David & David, and others.

Sigerson became president of Polydor Records in 1991, president of EMI and Chrysalis Records in 1994, and chairman of Island Records from 1998 to 1999.

Faithful, Sigerson's only novel, was published in 2004 by Doubleday in the US.

Sigerson lives in New York City with his wife; they have two daughters.

Discography

 * Davitt Sigerson (ZE, 1980)
 * Falling in Love Again (ZE, 1984)
 * Experiments In Terror (Island, 1990) (as member of The Royal Macadamians)

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Château de Lavaux-Sainte-Anne

The Castle of Lavaux-Sainte-Anne (Château de Lavaux-Sainte-Anne) is a castle located in Wallonia near Rochefort, Province of Namur in Belgium. In 1450, Jean II de Berlo commissioned the building of the castle.

On 16 November 2002, famous tennis player Justine Henin married Pierre-Yves Hardenne in this castle.

Origins
About a hundred meters from the castle passed a secondary Roman road. It came from Givet towards Ave-et-Auffe, passing through Lavaux. Nearby were the village of Genimont and the Roman fort of Eprave. In medieval times, the creation of the Principality of Liège made the region of Lavaux a border area with the Duchy of Luxembourg. This border is protected by the forts of Agimont, Revogne, Lavaux and Rochefort. The lords of the time are of the "Wellin" family. The first known mention of Lavaux dates from 1244.

The wars of the 15th century
Jean II de Berlo, lord of Lavaux, was the builder of the castle around 1450. In 1456, Louis of Bourbon, nephew of Philip, Duke of Burgundy, became prince-bishop of Liège. The animosity and distrust of the towns of Liège against the Duke of Burgundy grew and armed bands roamed the country which was no longer safe. Jean de Berlo, Lord Lavaux, who had initially accepted a treaty of neutrality with the town of Dinant (1462), chose to align himself with the prince in his fight against the rebels of the Liège region. Duke Philippe sent armed men to defend Lavaux. In 1463, he confronted Dinant and reinforced the castle of Lavaux with the latest military advances to resist any enemy attack. After fights that caused great destruction in the region, Jean de Berlo escaped to the court of Louis of Bourbon. In Famenne, disorder and insecurity grow. Erard de La Marck, enemy of the House of Burgundy, razes the lands of Jean de Berlo with the men-at-arms of Liège. In August 1468, the Duke of Burgundy proclaims himself Lord of Revogne and Dinant.

The peace imposed by his son, Charles the Bold, establishes that no castles destroyed during the war in the territory of the principality could be rebuilt except those of the bishop's supporters, including those of Jean de Berlo. Hardly recovered from terrible fights with the house of Burgundy, the country of Liège suffers a civil war. William de la Marck, supported by the king of France, started in 1482 a war in which Jean de Berlo would meet his death near the source of Basse-Wez (Liège). At the end of the 15th century, the castle is no longer inhabited by its owners; only Berlo's widow, since 1482, ended her days in the half-ruined fortress.

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User talk:Mel Etitis/Archive 12

Fan club
A certain editor has decided to set up a fan club, and you have the honour of being its first member! ! Keep up the good work and good luck. --Mrfixter 13:34, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm honoured, of course. Mind you, he seems very shy about it — he's moved it umpteen times in order to avoid its being linked to, and when one finally gets there, surprise, surprise, there's no information or evidence after all, just a blurb about "scummy" editors.  Still, for the moment I'm not only its first, but its only subject, so there's something to crow about.  He claims to be using it to collect the diffs in support of his public claim (on Talk:Dreadlocks) that I'd lied about him and called him anti-semitic.  As I've done neither, the page is going to wait empty for a long time, because there are no diffs to be collected.
 * It's now at User:Chameleon/Diff as requested by Mel. oops, I've linked to it, he'll have to move it again.  Of course, as it's void of any real content, he could just delete it, but he's apparently not so ashamed of it that he wants to do that yet. Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 13:43, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Ross McKitrick
Dude, what's your problem? You insist on engaging in edits that border on vandalism and you fail to justify any of them. Is is because you can't or are you just refusing to do so out of sheer rudeness? --JonGwynne 06:18, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Reply

 * See User Talk:Mr Tan

Tan 14:29, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Rebetiko
Hi Mel, that's unprotected again. I protected it only because the editor who moved it appears to have lost some edit history and didn't move the talk page; then once I'd moved it back, he edited the text in a way that suggested he might be preparing for a move again, but move-only protection wasn't working. I can see that it needs work, so enjoy. ;-) SlimVirgin (talk) 10:30, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, I (even though that wasn't directed to me) see, ignore my question then, Slim. El_C 10:55, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

{inuse}
I wonder why you remove the template stated on the header in Wee Kim Wee/temp and Maharashtra/temp. If Bell can put up the message and the template stated above, I see no reason in you taking it down. It is not an imitation, for we had initial intentions to put a message on the top.

Post your objections on my talk page.

tan 20:45, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Then why you keep on removing it in the past? I demand an explanation (and/or apology).

I'm going for intensive editing on Wee Kim Wee/temp. Now!

So don't remove it unless I leave it four days untouched.

Tan 21:12, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Am almost finished. Just need to find out what "Quersaal" means. Anyway, I'll submit the first draft now and then you can check it out. JMBell° 13:33, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

(Apologise if you find me rude--I also feel that my hurry-burry attitude will offend people. I try to be polite then)

 * Can you please explain why you remove the template stated on the header in Wee Kim Wee/temp and Maharashtra/temp? (If Bell can put up the message and the template stated above, I see no reason in you taking it down.) I would like to state that I do not have the intention for imitation, for both had initial intentions to put a message on the top.
 * I understand what you said earlier on Wee Kim Wee. Thanks anyway.
 * I'm sorry, but I do not understand where did I disrupt Wikipedia to make a point. Can you please elaborate on your point?
 * I did not say that I prohibit editing on Wee Kim Wee/temp no one should touch the notice unless you've not edited the article for four days is also not acceptable, see again on Wee Kim Wee/temp (the original notice ) Your statement seems to resemble something like a personal attack because of wrong accusation, I'm afraid. anyway, I have changed the message on Wee Kim Wee/temp to elaborate my reasons.

Tan 22:36, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

As my responses on your Talk page seem not have got through, I'll repeat them here.

 * 1) I didn't remove the "inuse" template on Wee Kim Wee/temp, nor have I ever removed it. A glance at the page history will show you which editor did so, together with edit summary explaining his action).
 * 2) I removed the "inuse" template from Maharashtra/temp when it was pointed out on its Talk page that the artcle hadn't been touched for three days. The "inuse" template should not be used as a way to stop other people from editing; it has a specific use, as its wording makes clear.
 * 3) I have no idea what the rest of your message means. You seem to think that your command "So don't remove it unless I leave it four days untouched" doesn't mean that other editors chouldn't edit the page. It's difficult to interpret your words in any ther way. Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 15:46, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Elkabong again
I notice that you suspended Elkabong a while back. He's left another extremely abusive message here Talk:Islamofascism (I've deleted it, but you can see it in the history). Elkabong is also apparently a sockpuppet for kainthescion (or vice versa) --Lee Hunter 19:10, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Wee Kim Wee
Okay, Wee Kim Wee/temp is now at User:Mr Tan/Wee Kim Wee, and Talk:Wee Kim Wee/Temp is at User talk:Mr Tan/Wee Kim Wee, which is why I'm posting a reply to you here, because the talk page is now his private user space. Wee Kim Wee and Talk:Wee Kim Wee are not affected. Let me know if he's created any others; I may as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb. SlimVirgin (talk) 21:24, May 25, 2005 (UTC)

Colours of the World
"Spice Up Your Life" has to be given the power to be edited again. The chronology is being left out, and is disconnecting Spice Girls singles. Return the power to edit to the article, please. DrippingInk 21:25, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Thank you. DrippingInk 21:50, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

I Drink Your Blood (imdb.com/title/tt0067229)
Hey, was that comment directed towards myself? El_C 22:36, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay, good, because I Drink Your Blood! El_C 23:03, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Copyright Vio
Please see User:Jpbrenna/Osprey Copyright Violations. I have notifed Amir85 as well. I don't know what do do about them, but I noticed that you had left a message for him about another image, so I thought you might. --Jpbrenna 06:14, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

{inuse}
What? I removed it yesterday. Did you put it back? JMBell° 10:30, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm reverting your edits to Zossen because I'm still translating and it's confusing to find one section pop up or disappear in/from a totally different place. You know how much time it took to translate that thing? JMBell° 11:48, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Goodbye
Hi Mel, I'm taking a short break to regain my sanity and personality. I don't know how long it will take, or if I'll ever come back, but I should be back in a month, if ever. I'm giving Zossen to you to translate and edit. As for Tan, I'm not giving up hope on him. Be nice to him and if he strikes out at you, don't strike back. Same with Nanshu and the others.

So I guess that's it. Hope Wikipedia won't change while I'm away. Don't do anything foolish with Zossen, okay? Goodbye. :) JMBell° 14:37, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Re: Stagecoach Articles
You will probably be happy to know that I have copied my Stagecoach articles to Wikitravel. Ted Ted 19:39, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Bernard Williams
Actually, I think the anon IP might be right. I always thought it was Knightsbridge prof, but I checked it today on Google. Both get a respectable number of hits, but Edward Craig, the current chair, says Knightbridge on his dept webpage. The Cambridge phil dept is small, and I could believe that was a typo, even on their own website, but the quality of the other sources who say Knightbridge makes me think it's right. OUP says Knightsbridge; the Telegraph also says Knightsbridge; and I've found both in the Guardian. I don't know who the chair was named after, that's the problem. But I'd say we should probably go with what Edward Craig is called on the philosophy website. SlimVirgin (talk) 22:45, May 26, 2005 (UTC)

I just wanted to thank you for the work you did with my Storm of chaos article! -Sindreman

Unprotecting List of kings of Persia
Thanks, Mel. So simple when one has one's POV in check! Sunray 09:22, 2005 May 27 (UTC)

Which that when
Having never taking a grammar course, I largely approach English intuitively. So my question is: when is it propper to say 'which' viz. 'that' ? El_C 09:48, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

You may find User:129.7.35.1 interesting
The exact nature and timing of this seems to be more than just coincidence: Seems to share some common interests:

FeloniousMonk 17:54, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

 * The edits were apt; the continued attempt to push the POV wording of "right-wing" where it is not valid, is not good. Enviroknot Enviroknot 21:24, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Before I bother going through the effort of finding out for myself I'll ask you plainly: Are you User:129.7.35.1? The honesty of your answer will determine much. FeloniousMonk 21:43, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * No, I am not. The speed with which you and Mel Etitis, among others, accuse people of being sockpuppets is nothing short of amazing. And in case you're wondering, I entered this because it came up on the en-l mailing list. Enviroknot 22:02, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

 * That IP address is the University of Houston; same range as the IP address ElKabong used. Enviroknot also posts, qua Enviroknot, from a Houston IP address. SlimVirgin (talk) 00:48, May 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * Quick quiz, Slimvirgin: What is the population of Houston?Enviroknot 01:22, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

 * True, but how many of them edit Wikipedia; hold the same strong views on issues related to Islam; show marked similarities in writing style; defend each other against charges of sockpuppetry; and edit each other's user pages? That must narrow it down just a little. SlimVirgin (talk) 03:01, May 28, 2005 (UTC)

 * Slimvirgin, I came into this because I saw you treating at least one user unfairly. If you have decided to wage some personal war in relation to certain articles, by all means, be my guest. But do not expect me to sit by idle while I am slandered and my user page defaced by you and your cohorts. Enviroknot 03:32, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

See also user:66.69.141.11, also from Houston. -Willmcw 04:06, May 28, 2005 (UTC)

 * Gor blimey, I go to London for less than twenty-four hours, and look what's waiting for me when I get back. It's disturbing to realise that I'm not really needed on my own Talk page — discussions are rich and full of interest without me, and I even discover that I'm one of SlimVirgin's cohorts (which sounds more exciting, not to mention comfortable, than being her sockpuppet — or am I getting confused with glove puppet?).
 * It's also disturbing to discover that our foul-mouthed hydra is probably at the University of Houston; not as anything very senior I'd guess (and hope). His claim that Houston is crawling with people independently wanting to leave childish insults on Wikipedia is surely an insult to the city, though, and would probably be actionable if officials discovered it. Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης )

Please archive RfC
The RfC opened on me has apparently reached a stable consensus to close. Would you please archive it appropriately? Thanks. Whig 19:33, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes, I'd like to support that, too. Although Whig and I were on opposing sides regarding the "styles" vote, he was a courteous opponent.  Ann Heneghan 21:49, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Islamofascism, Islamic fascism, and Christian fascism
Hi, I think there is slightly more agreement than disagreement for the redirects to Neofascism and religion from Islamofascism, Islamic fascism, and Christian fascism, so if you agree, could you remove page protection, archive up those pages, and plop in the redirects? I will make sure that it is clear up in the lead that these terms are contentious and disputed and sometimes just epithets. :-) --Cberlet 20:28, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

 * I suggest you do not do this. "Slightly more agreement than disagreement" means there is still plenty of controversy. The redirects are especially dishonest since at least one of those articles previously survived a vote for deletion. EnviroknotEnviroknot 21:26, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Official Notice: Stay Off My User Page
Your constant knee-jerk reverting without comment, your harassment, and your targeting of me needs to stop.

Since you saw fit to remove a comment from my user page, I hereby serve you notice: ANY attempt made by you to edit my User page or to remove content from my Talk page will be reported as vandalism. Do not do this again. Enviroknot

Farewell
Before I go (or at least considering), I would like to say a few words with you.

 * Firstly, I appreciatem if you can take the initiative to see what I have written about you on the response section on Requests for comment/Mr Tan.
 * Secondly, I would like to extend my thanks on your good copyediting work (with minor objections)
 * Thridly, I have seen that you have been accused me of being rude and conducting near-vandalism. The reason of this is because

 * You are not cooperative
 * You have no patience
 * You have a negative attitude in terms of stubborness
 * You have a tendency to ignore many of my questions (despite the fact that you said that that ...then don't use someone else's comments as a way of avoiding mine, and do me the courtesy of answering my questions. in Talk:Wee Kim Wee. But what is all this about in your attitude towards me? Am I a toy to you or something?

 * Fourthly, the factors above has also led to some friction with other users such as User:Huaiwei, User:Nanshu and User:Vsion.
 * Fifthly, if you are interested, you may join in on the discussion about the state of content of Zanskar. I'm afraid, that misundertsnadings will rupture again, and reverting my edits repeatedly. In any case, that you are not even willing to response to this statement of mine, I will assume that you have no objections in my copyediting plans of Zanskar.
 * Last, but not least, I do not understand where did you get the ridiculous idea that I'm User:chan Han Xiang. Again, I would like to say that it is very interesting to see a User that shares so many similarities with me, an IP address can be shared by anybody who lives within my area. Anyway, in Singapore, many people share an IP address for they all live in a single HDB flat, but still do not know of anybody who is Chan Han Xiang who lives near me.

With that, I shall conclude my messages. I will also appreciate if you could spend a bit of time and look through my RfC response and the comment. Farewell.

Tan 18:21, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

Sharon Interfaith Youth Leadership Program
Dear Mel. I took a stab at copy-editing Sharon Interfaith Youth Leadership Program, but being a new member I can't figure out how to remove the copy-edit notice at the top of the article. Perhaps I don't have permission to do this yet.

I was not able to demystify the style completely but at least fixed some structural & grammar issues..

Katherine Morrow Brussels

Francisca
I'm not quite sure what the point of your edits were. You changed a correctly capitalised link to an incorrectly capitalised one, you changed the standard abbreviation "c." to the non-standard full form "circa", you said that the axe has a distinctive shape without saying what it was, and you changed a perfectly clear sentence to another perfectly clear sentence, differing only in inessential matters of style. Why? Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 10:11, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

 * The link didn't show up with a capital in the sentence, as it was piped "reenactor" — thus changing the capital made no difference to the text.
 * True. Sometimes I edit for the LOOK in trhe source text as well, where an upper-case letter can jar.
 * But when that means a caprialisation pipe, you're sacrificing efficiency for a minor (and subjective) improvement of what readers won't see. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 22:54, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Does piping really operate like that on lower-case? Pedant17 00:51, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I think so, though that's only deduction, not direct knowledge. Titles are generally case sensitive, so the fact that the first letter isn't makes me think that some sort of redirect is involved.  We could ask. Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 10:38, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Your argument concerning "circa" would make more sense if you'd changed it to "about" — but in any case, "c." (or sometime "ca") is used thoughout Wikipedia, and this is the first time I've seen "circa" used (though doubtless there are other places). Moreover, as I said, the abbreviation is standard; changing it is rather like changing "etc." to "et cætera" or "e.g." to "exempli gratia".
 * I take your pioint on the expansion of "etc." But I persist in disliking abbreviations in general, and ambiguous abbreviations (especially c. but also ca.) in particular. Circa appears as an English word (albeit semi-acclimatised) in the OED, and appears to me much more helpful to those readers of Wikipedia who do not have habitual familiarity with standard historiography.
 * Many people know what "c." means, because it's the standard term, but would be confused by "circa", which isn't. And anyone who didn't know what "c." means would surely not know what "circa" means. I can't see any ambiguity, incidentally. Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 22:54, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Perhaps. I wonder how one reads dates with c. out loud? - In context I see little ambiguity too, but I nevertheless pity the poor reader who tries to look up 'c' or 'ca' in a list of abbreviations. Pedant17 00:51, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure why there'd be a problem; I've just looked up "c." is Collins, and it gives ten expansions, one of which one specifies "when used before a date" &mdash a piece of cake, surely. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 10:38, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 09:16, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Pedant17 22:48, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

Just to jump in, I'm seeing more and more articles using birth and death dates with wikified c. which seems to work well for people that might not know what it means. Fawcett5 23:34, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * That provides some sort of compromise while perpetuating the (in my view) ugly abbreviation. - I've scatterred circas through parts of Wikipedia myself, and a quick search suggests that others have done so too. -- What do you think we should do about fl.? Pedant17 00:51, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

 * My view is that "c." and "fl." are in any dictionary (and I don't know of any other reference work that spells out "circa" and "floruit"); if we start editing out all the words that some people might not understand without a dictionary, we'll have a Janet and John book, not an encyclopædia.  Just to take the next unchecked item on my Watchlist, Arab world: would someone who doesn't know what "c." means in front of a date know what "comprise", "surpass", "anglophone", etc., mean?
 * The wikification is OK, I suppose, though I still think that we shouldn't assume that our readers are both ignorant and unable to use dictionaries. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 10:38, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

High hypocrisy
I just noticed User:Sam_Spade/Report_rogue_admin/Mel_Etitis_Email.

If you were half the rogue Sam insists you are, I suppose you would claim that his publishing of your emails to him was a copyright violation, just as he did in his attempt to suppress the evidence of his email. Sigh. When will people here stop making excuses for and protecting one of wikipedia's most persistently abusive editors? FeloniousMonk 02:24, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Um, thanks. I'm not entirely sure what that was all about, but I'm glad you reverted it. -Acjelen 14:30, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

policy
Thank you for agreeing with me. I'm glad it can happen! I wouldn't know how to go about implementing such a policy, but if you wanted to I would support it as pages such as this are basically no more than personal attacks. We have RfC for a reason. These pages are unnecessary. --Silversmith Hewwo 15:03, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * What you say sounds perfectly reasonable to me. But then, I would never have such a page. We shall see what comes of it. Cheers, --Silversmith Hewwo 18:10, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

The RFA Troll
Looks like you were correct. I'm sorry for jumping the gun, and I admit that I was wrong. Thanks for pointing it out to me! Linuxbeak | Talk | Desk 19:32, May 29, 2005 (UTC)

Mel, you so far only admin who accept good faith and understand I not trying to harm. You comment on RFC good or neutral maybe?

SSMR/Ssmr
(William M. Connolley 20:11, 29 May 2005 (UTC)) Hi. You removed the delete tag on Ssmr but didn't say why. Errm... why? Its listed on Speedy deletions too, BTW. So... I listed it because SSMR is the correct acronym (or SSM/R) not Ssmr, which isn't. Leaving Ssmr will do little harm I suppose, but also little good.

God and Sankara
I respectfully disagree. According to Merriam Webster, http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=God&x=0&y=0, God, when capitalized means the Supreme Being. When you make it lower case, http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=deity&x=0&y=0, such as deity, a god would mean a Greco-roman god, not a supreme Reality. Shaivities belive that Shiva is the Supreme Being vs. being a god or deva or deity. Subtle difference. I did drop the article the. Thanks.

Raj2004 22:51, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

I still think it's important to make that point. Muslims believe Allah to be the only God just as Jews believe Yahweh to be the only God. The same goes with Shaivites although they think other aspects of God are different forms of Shiva. Raj2004 11:01, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

An appeal to an admin
There is currently an editing war that is turning ugly. Yes, people want to delete the Cyprus Dispute and The Turkish Invasion of Cyprus and Half of the wikipedians seem to be either Turks or Turkish sympathizers. There is also one nationalist Greek. It is turning so ugly that I fear that if they get their way they migh even succeed in deleting even the Rebublic of Cyprus entry. They are also threatening to delete Smyrna. I appeal to you and place the following wiki members under review for actions against the policy of NPOV: Expatkiwi, Feco, E.A (check out this guy's bias on his user talk page). ... added at 05:33, 2005 May 30 UNFanatic

Sockpuppet template (again)
Mel, Enviroknot is rather understandably unhappy about the way the sockpuppet template keeps popping up on his user page. On my talk page at least, he phrases this unhappiness politely. The charming little sock is accompanied by: "See Administrators' noticeboard/3RR for evidence." So I did. Not there. Supposing that it was in the archives, I looked there too. Perhaps I missed something, but the closest I could find was this, in which SlimVirgin and Yuber make the allegation but adduce no evidence. If you're sure there was a "User:Enviroknot/User:129.7.35.1", I'll look for it; if not, I think a better link is needed. -- Hoary 11:05, 2005 May 30 (UTC)
 * There's a better link now, but really, the "evidence" that's adduced there strikes me as pretty feeble. Is it really sufficient for posting a sockpuppet template? And even if it is, what's the merit of or motive in posting it? -- Hoary 10:16, 2005 May 31 (UTC)
 * Mel, this is a bit silly. The template takes me to a page that says nothing about Enviroknot. I think that you instead mean RfA/KaintheScion et al.. But that's unconvincing too. We learn that Enviroknot seems to have political beliefs that are odd and compatible with those of one or two of the other parties, and that they're all in the Houston area. But as he/she points out, Houston has a large population. And though he/she certainly doesn't say this as well, Texas does produce large numbers of people who espouse a cluster of political and social beliefs that I and perhaps you would regard as strange (or paleoconservative or even insane): witness the rise of Dubya. Thus I'm not surprised by shared odd obsessions among editors from Houston. Meanwhile, his/her prose is usually measured and "literate", whereas that of the others is loutish. Of course, it's possible that one person may choose to fabricate two idiolects just to confuse, but all in all, rather unlikely.
 * Here's a suggestion. Just stay off his/her user page for a few days and see what happens. -- Hoary 09:30, 2005 Jun 1 (UTC)

Turkish Cypriot Genocide
Hi there,

in reply: I found it more productive to re-edit the article a bit. - Snchduer 16:13, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Oops
Oops. Sorry. Won't use that one anymore. -- ericl234 talk  22:39, May 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * Does this apply in situations when a google search turns up no results, as well? Where is the line there (official or unofficial)?  -- ericl234  talk  22:47, May 30, 2005 (UTC)

Human
Could you do what needs doing on Human with regard to implementing the consensus on paragraph four? I'm unfamilar with both the mechanics and traditions associated with freezing and unfreezing articles. Thanks for your help. 4.250.198.168 14:59, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Hello, "Mel"
If you could kindly respond to the discussion in which you accused me of acting in "bad faith" I would appreciate it greatly.

With insincere polite regards (because we all know that it's the text, and not the thought that counts),

--Phrost 19:46, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Hello (and goodbye :))
Hi Mel, though my break is far from finished, I've thought up something and need someone to say whether my idea is sensible or not. It's here. I'm open to all kinds of criticism. If you've got questions, just ask me (though it might take me some time to reply as I'm not yet fully recovered). Cheers - JM*Bell° 20:32, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

81.156.177.21 Cheese Deams, Fish Supper etc
Sorry! But I really do think Wikipedia has a problem with them! (81.156.177.21 Cheese Deams, Fish Supper etc)

Bye forever,

Angel77

Islamofascism, Islamic fascism, and Christian fascism x 2
Hi, I think there is slightly more agreement than disagreement for the redirects to Neofascism and religion from Islamofascism, Islamic fascism, and Christian fascism, so if you agree, could you remove page protection, archive up those pages, and plop in the redirects? This is even more justified given the current controversies over some of the objectors. If you think you are the wrong Admin to do this given the level of hell you have been consigned to, can you suggest someone else? Just trying to get this done at some point. --Cberlet 02:46, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Actually I have redirected Islamic fascism and Christian fascism. I will archive them in a week if there is no explosion. Then maybe I can redirect Islamofascism. --Cberlet 13:15, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Zanskar
If you are interested, you may look up. (Sorry for the delay, for my computer was down)

Tan 15:30, 1 June 2005 (UTC)

I have already replied. If you still disagree, feel free to post your comments at. Tan 21:31, 1 June 2005 (UTC)

Jesus
FYI: Votes to request a move do not happen on WP:RM any more, they take place on the talk page of the page requested to be moved. In this case I suspect it is a troll. Philip Baird Shearer 14:30, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Mel, thanks for your vote in support of my admin nomination. Paul August ☎ 17:03, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)

Assume good faith
Hi Mel. I have been, at Dsquared's request (a red talk link showed up on my watchlist, and one thing led to another), looking at the talk discussion for Oliver North. While I understand that you have spent a long time editing that article, and have been fighting POV-pushers, I do think that you should be more ready to listen to Dsquared without labelling him a sockpuppet, unless there is direct evidence to the contrary. I think you are quite possibly being a little hasty – I understand your reasons, but I think you could be more diplomatic. Don't bite the newcomers. I understand fully your point of view (indeed, I agree with your wording), but I think more diplomacy would not go amiss. Cheers, smoddy 23:36, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * With all respect, Mel, I am not convinced. I am confused, but I am certainly not convinced that this user is not genuine.  I'm still assuming good faith, until I see uncontrovertible evidence to the contrary.  What, by the way, is that evidence?  Cheers, smoddy 08:51, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I am not solely focusing on one point of issue. You notice that I do not argue with your other points because I think you are in the right with them.  I am only saying that your accusations of sockpuppetry (for which I have seen no evidence) seem a little dangerous – it seems to me that Dsquared has gone about things in slightly the wrong way, but it may have been helped if there had been a little more assumption of good faith on your and Holdak's parts.  Cheers, smoddy 09:11, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Firstly, for introducing "sockpuppet" into the conversation: guilty, m'lud. Secondly, I think including Ollieplatt's in the page was a pretty clear accusation of sockpuppetry.  It seems to me that Dsquared is just the proveribial "clueless newbie", not really understanding Wikipedia custom.  Until I see evidence to the contrary, that will be my position.  I think I should probably leave this there.  Cheers, smoddy 09:28, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Gustavus Franklin Swift
I've restored the text additions you deleted without overwriting your previous copy edits; my pastes were done from an offline copy of the article. One thing I did fix was the location of the "hereford" image so that it no longer breaks into the section title. In the future, please do not delete content from articles without prior discussion; it took a fair amount of research to develop the original stub article into something of reasonable depth and factual accuracy, and to expand it meaningfully as well. We all have the same goal here.

--Lordkinbote 02:30, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

deleting images
Hi there, I see you're deleting images. Perhaps you could have a look at Image:CryptoDick2.jpg which was uploaded a few minutes ago. I wasn't sure if a tag worked on images. Regards. Anilocra 12:22, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Cumbo-5
A quick google seach would have shown you that this was speediable, I've listed it for vfd now. --nixie 15:33, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * In this case google would have told you that the band is bogus. --nixie 15:39, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Zanskar
Mr Tan has asked I "judge" Zanskar; of course I said I could do no such thing, but offer to mediate informally -- as any Wikipedian might do -- if you and he have any willingness I do so.

My qualifications are two: I am absolutely impartial to the topic, so far as I know; I have no idea what Zanskar is, and have not so much as followed the link to the page. My command of my language is excellent; I understand there are issues of both content and form.

To the extent that it may develop I discover a bias of mine to affect the debate -- whatever that may be -- I promise to suppress it as far as possible, and failing that, to recuse myself. Whatever the subject may be, I trust it can be stabilized. — Xiong熊 talk* 16:30, 2005 Jun 2 (UTC)

Fragmented discussion merged to Usertalk :Xiong -- please avoid fragmented discussions. -- I had to post to your page to bring you into the discussion, but from here on out, I suggest I host the topic of my involvement in this article on my talk page. Feel free to delete above text. — Xiong熊 talk* 00:20, 2005 Jun 3 (UTC)

Ontological Argument
Apologies, I assume that you know better- the only reason I changed it is because I am studying Philosophy & on my syllabus it says "Gaunilo's analogy of the island in On Behalf of the Fool". I just assumed this was right and the link had a typo. Sorry. - sars 16:41, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

At the moment I'm just at AS Level, although I do hope to study Philosophy & Maths at uni - I notice you are a professor at Oxford- I'll certainly be applying at Oxbridge, though whether I'd get in with such competition is another matter! sars 21:17, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

Yeah I was in contact with somebody, (I think her name was Ms Hood?) about going to the open day that was on May 7th but couldn't go in the end- but thanks a lot for letting me know about June 30th, I'll definitely go along. :) sars 21:34, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

Power violence
What was wrong with my addition to the article on Power violence?
 * OK. I used to have an account but stopped using it.

Protection?
I think the Gwen Stefani album page requires protection. The guy who keeps adding the New Order collaboration doesn't seem to understand that there isn't one. There isn't one. DrippingInk 21:55, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

RfA on Argyrosargyrou
I've started a Requests for arbitration on User:Argyrosargyrou. Please take a look and add any evidence you feel is relevant to Requests for arbitration/Argyrosargyrou/Evidence. -- ChrisO 22:21, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Zanskar:Cleanup or copyediting
Just to let you know, I feel that it would be more appropriate that the cleanup tag would be put up if mass article-restructuring is needed/to be done, see Joseon dynasty for comparison. Feel free to post your comments.

I hope that you will not interrupt in my re-structuring editing progress. I am already seriously spiritually and mentally disturbed at your tyrannical attitude towards me. I hope that settles the case. Thanks.

Tan 20:22, 2 June 2005 (UTC)

Tsushima Islands
Done. Sorry, I should have known better. SlimVirgin (talk) 14:04, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC) ]

Go and see my reply.

Tan 23:13, 3 June 2005 (UTC)

Welcoming message
Well, I had just created a welcoming template for newcomers when I saw yours... WOW! Really nicely done. Do you mind if I borrow a few ideas from it? Sarg 14:59, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Suspected vandalism
Why are you reverting my edits at

 * Fukuoka
 * Hirado, Nagasaki
 * Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna of Russia
 * Grand Duke George of Russia?

You stated that I should contribute to wikipedia, yet you are doing reverts. Can you explain why? I'm merely doing spelling corrections and adding facts.

Tan 00:36, 3 June 2005 (UTC)

Stop your explicit reverts without explanations now. I am tracking on you. Otherwise I ask an admin to block you.

Unless you elaborate on your reasons for the reverts, I do not welcome explicit reverts like this. I have counter-reverted all your reverts for you gave no proper explanations or providing proper information on your case. If you go on like this, I will have to ask a member of the arbitration committee to review your case, unless you change your attitude.

Tan 00:43, 3 June 2005 (UTC)

Gentlemen, what is going on here? Why are we having an issue? Linuxbeak | Talk | Desk 17:00, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)

See his [] contributions; most of reverts he did not give proper reasons; probably vandalism.

Tan 00:43, 3 June 2005 (UTC)

 * What's going on is that Mr Tan is flailing around, reverting edits of mine such as changing hyphens to n-dashes in dates, Wikifying headers, correcting Wikilinks, etc. I have no idea what he thinks he's doing, but if he continues I'm going to report him on "vandalism in progress". Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 17:10, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Cool down. I don't see where are your edits, but you deleted my contributions to the articles. Please stop reverting my contributions without reasons, and that is what you do. You may contribute on top from there, but that doesn't warrant you to revert and revert explicitely. I cannot see where did you add in in addition to my reverts, and I consider a revert + addins as a revert.

Tan 00:13, 3 June 2005 (UTC)

Sister Theresia Unno cleanup
When you cleaned the reference in the Sister Theresia Unno, I appreciate the removal of all caps, but I think removing the web page reference retrieval date and the footnote is improper.

Web sites are subject to change, and the only way to properly cite them as references is to cite the date as well. See WP:CITE. Her starting the FJANL organization is specific to the reference, so there should also be a footnote, to clarify the source when the article is expanded further.

Thanks for the edit. I've restored the footnote in fn/fnb form rather than manual footnoting by superscript numbers, and I've restored the retrieval date to the reference. -- Un focused  16:55, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Re: MoS. I'm not sure what's there, as I don't know if there even is a comprehensive Manual of Style here, but WP:CITE mentions that specific web page citations should have a retreival date.  The page owner could blank the page, and without a date, it's pretty hard to find a specific version of someone else's page, even with the assistance of the Internet Wayback Machine, if it's even cataloged there.

 * Some prefer inline citations, directly in the text of the article, but there's no consensus for any given way of including references. I've always preferred footnotes (especially now that I've learned how to use "clickable link" footnotes) because they don't disturb the flow of the text that they're inserted into, and clicking the link left of the reference at the bottom of the page brings you back to where you left.

 * I sincerely appreciate your deferral on this article. I don't recall where I saw it, but I'm working under the influence of a quote from Jimbo Wales that basically said that we need to reference our content and cite our sources much better to be as credible as we should be, and that citations of widely accepted sources tends to help generate NPOV by their inclusion.  Thanks again.  -- Un  focused  17:20, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Arete question
Dear M, I have heard some speculation that the Greek "arete" is somehow derived from the Sanskrit "rta". I regret I don't have a source for this (of course), but it's popped up a number of times. This is sort of outside my philosophical education, so perhaps you could comment?

Yours, Mashford 66.82.9.63 20:33, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Many thanks
I created entries for Brenda Barrie (linked from personalities born in Winnipeg) and her novel The Binding, and I notice you were quick like a bunny to make some modifications.

Main difference between version you restored and my later one is that I looked for other items mentioned that had relevant pages and set them up as links, and italicized titles throughout (except when they are links).

This seems like fun. I'm about to create an account and join the community.

Thanks again,

Gray Matter gray-matter@bigbluepeople.net

User:Mr Tan
You may wish to respond to User:Mr Tan's comments on my user talk page. Or not. Up to you. Kelly Martin 05:07, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

Grunion
Most of the work was just a cut-and-paste job, so there is no reason to be impressed. ;-)

Last week I had created my second red link to grunion since I had started editing on the Wikipedia, so I decided that it was about time that I create the missing article. Luckily the material from the California Fish and Game Dept. is in the public domain, and there was also an article on grunion this last week in the Los Angeles Times. I was working on creating a more polished article when the newly created article showed up on my Watchlist, so I figured that I should copy and paste what I already had (mostly from Cal. F&G), rather than the more polished article I am still planning on finishing. Right now I'm working on getting some good pictures to add to the article. I guess that the since the article is now "live", I should suggest it for "Did you know".

(I find it interesting that I was able to set up an article on my Watchlist that wasn't even created yet.) Blank <font color= 	#F88017>Verse <font color=#2554C7> <font color=#F660AB>∅  10:33, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * It's really quite easy. You type the name of the missing article in the search field and hit "go". You get the page that says there is no article yada-yada. You then click on the link "create an article with this title". The new Edit page also has all the normal tabs that a regular article has, so you then click on the "Watch" tab to add that missing article's name to your Watchlist. [Someone needs to start a Wikipedia namespace article that keeps track of all the shortcuts and "undocumented features" like this that people have found.]

 * The only thing that I can't figure out is why my intuition said that would need to add grunion to my Watchlist in the first place. Blank <font color= 	#F88017>Verse <font color=#2554C7> <font color=#F660AB>∅  11:24, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC) PS I've now added Grunion to the "Did you know" suggestion list.

 * Although the technique is useful for a small number of articles that you think are important (in my case, an article that I was already working on offline), if you have a large number of articles that you want to keep track of, it is probably easier to create a Watchlist subpage and then check it regularly to see if any red-links have disappeared. Blank <font color= 	#F88017>Verse <font color=#2554C7> <font color=#F660AB>∅  11:46, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

re: Lee Kuan Yew
Mel, please behave constructively. Your "overhauling of new material" included your fifth removal of the bolded "Harry" at the beginning of that article in a day, that's why it was misleading. Mr. Tan claims that his British birth certificate lists his full name as "Harry Lee Kuan Yew". If that is true (and I haven't seen anyone on the talk page claim that it isn't), it's perfectly reasonable to start the article the way he wants to. Zocky 12:21, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Hmm... I might have been looking at the old version of the talk page. I see that you have asked him for references for his claims, and that's good. Still, edit warring over it and removing the same change over and over again is not good. Zocky 12:33, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Since I have no particual reasons to presume otherwise, I'll assume good faith and view your edit summary as not intentionally misleading. However, let me explain why it looks intentionally misleading:
 * An editor repeatedly made a change to the article.
 * You repeatedly removed it.
 * After he inserted it this particular time, you removed it again as a part of an edit which also included other changes.
 * Your edit summary specifically refered to those other changes and did not mention the fact that you removed the same change that you and him have been edit-warring over.
 * Some people on Wikipedia use the same technique to try to circumvent the three-revert rule.
 * Thanks for listening. Zocky 13:56, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Image:Lightmatter ireland.jpg
I tagged it for speedy deletion because the content is "lkjl;". Note that it is an image from Commons, so it won't disappear if you delete the page here. RexNL 13:47, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Arbitration
Before you start arbitration, I demand the rights of mine in the following:

 * The right to speak up on my side of the case
 * The right to speak up on my side of evidence of the case.
 * Arbitration in the form of Mel Etitis vs Mr Tan.

Look here. I have my reasons to back against all your edits. And I'm not just going to sit down here and get arbitrated for nothing.

I encourage you to speak out on whatever resentements against me, provided if this is a fair arbitration. However, if your arbitration does not meet the above conditions, I will see to other methods to deal with your attitude. Thanks.

Tan 22:48, 4 June 2005 (UTC)

You did not invite me, in fact, you forced me in, for I'm a participant of the arbitration. See what you stated: Please do not edit this page directly unless you wish to become a participant in this request. So, I am forced into under such circumstances to edit your page. Tan 23:41, 4 June 2005 (UTC)

As if you don't know? Then why did the articles that I edited coincide to a great extent with yours, all those stupid reverts? I'm not a fool, professor.

A co-incidence...I never refered to it properly, honestly.

Tan

You forced me into this stupid arbitration thing, and I do not want to have any reverts from you. This is unfair for you to do such a thing, unless you close everything altogether.

Tan

But why you say that Please do not edit this page directly unless you wish to become a participant in this request. I am a participant of this case in the first place. It just so happens that I'm included by you, and yet you are prohibiting me to edit the page. Thus, what I mean is spiritually forced, and it is not fair at all for you to do such a thing.

Tan 00:10, 5 June 2005 (UTC)

Colby Donaldson
I wrote the short stub on Colby Donaldson which replaced the redirect. In general, I feel that an article on the subject, even a stub, is preferable to a redirect to another article. MK2 17:21, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Chad Bryant
I know you arent going ot believe I'm trying to help the guy, but here goes. A number of individuals from that usenet group he lives in have set up a nasty Wiki entry for Chad. You should delete it or something. Its pretty bad.

TruthCrusader

title: User talk:Mel Etitis/Archive 12


text:
Canton of Vianden

Vianden (Veianen) is a canton in the north of Luxembourg. It is the smallest canton in terms of both population and area. It borders Germany.

Administrative divisions
Vianden Canton consists of the following three communes:

 * Putscheid
 * Tandel
 * Vianden

Mergers

 * On 1 January 2006 the former commune of Bastendorf (from Diekirch Canton) was merged with the former commune of Fouhren (from Vianden Canton) to create the commune of Tandel (in Vianden Canton). The law creating Tandel was passed on 21 December 2004.  Therefore, Vianden Canton gained 24.44 km2 of land from Diekirch Canton.

title: Canton of Vianden


text:
Salem Corners, Minnesota

Salem Corners is an unincorporated community in Salem Township, Olmsted County, Minnesota, United States, near Byron. The community is located near the junction of Olmsted County Roads 3 and 25.

title: Salem Corners, Minnesota


text:
String Quartet No. 1 (Tchaikovsky)

Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky's String Quartet No. 1 in D major Op. 11 was the first of his three completed string quartets that were published during his lifetime. An earlier attempt had been abandoned after the first movement was completed.

Composed in February 1871, it was premiered in Moscow on 16/28 March 1871 by four members of the Russian Musical Society: Ferdinand Laub and Ludvig Minkus, violins; Pryanishnikov, viola; and Wilhelm Fitzenhagen, cello. Tchaikovsky arranged the second movement for cello and string orchestra in 1888.

Structure
The quartet has four movements:

1. Moderato e semplice (D major)

2. Andante cantabile (B♭ major)

3. Scherzo. Allegro non tanto e con fuoco – Trio (D minor)

4. Finale. Allegro giusto – Allegro vivace (D major)

Second movement - Andante cantabile
The melancholic second movement, which has become famous in its own right, was based on a folk song the composer heard at his sister Aleksandra her family, the Davydov's house  at Kamenka in Ukraina whistled by a house painter.

Leo Tolstoy
When the quartet was performed at a tribute concert for Leo Tolstoy, the author was said to have been brought to tears by this movement: “…Tolstoy, sitting next to me and listening to the Andante of my First Quartet, burst into tears".

Helen Keller
When the Zoellner Quartet, at her request, performed the second movement for Helen Keller, who rested her fingertips on a resonant tabletop to sense the vibrations, she, too, reacted strongly. She quickly sensed the musical vibrations, swaying in time, alternately crying and smiling. Afterward, Keller reacted as follows:

"When you play to me I see and hear and feel many things that I cannot easily put into words. I feel the sweep and surge and mighty pulse of life. Oh, you are masters of a wondrous art, subtle and superfine. When you play to me immediately a miracle is wrought, sight is given the blind, and deaf ears hear sweet, strange sounds.

Each note is a picture, a fragrance, the flash of a wing, a lovely girl with pearls in her hair, a group of exquisite children dancing and swinging garlands of flowers—a bright mingling of colors and twinkling feet. There are notes that laugh and kiss and sigh and melt together. And notes that weep and rage and fly apart like shattered crystal.

But mostly the violins sing of lovely things—woods and streams and sun-kissed hills, the faint sound of tiny creatures flitting about in the grass and under the petals of the flowers, the noiseless stirring of shadows in my garden, and the soft breathings of shy things that light on my hand for an instant, or touch my hair with their wings. O, yes! and a thousand, thousand other things that I cannot describe come thronging through my soul when the Zoellner Quartet plays to me."

Other occurrences
The melody from second theme of the Andante cantabile, in D♭ major, was used as the basis for the popular song "On the Isle of May", popularized by Connee Boswell in 1940. This movement ends with plagal cadence.

title: String Quartet No. 1 (Tchaikovsky)


text: User talk:82.154.38.144

title: User talk:82.154.38.144


text:
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nicole Arsenault

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was speedy deleted by Mel Etitis (recreation of deleted article) --cesarb 02:24, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Nicole Arsenault
Appears to be vanity. Dunc|☺ 19:24, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. The original speedy seems to have been correct, so far as I can see; there's not enough here to say who she is or what exactly she does ("model" covers a multitude of sins). Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 19:30, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete under criteria #1. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd 19:53, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, I know more about her than this. 198.49.31.230 19:58, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as noted by Mel Etitis and Andrew Lenahan. DS1953 21:06, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedyable as recreation of the vfd'd Nichole Arsenault. Meelar (talk) 21:24, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

 * OK, I've speedied it. I'm not sure how to close a VfD that's ended like this; anyone? Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 22:07, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.


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User talk:Zhengfu

Cross on Days of our Lives
User:PeterAKer reverted your change from "cross" to "deceased" as he cited the other soap articles also have this. I told him that precedent is not consensus, and if you still want to fight the issue, I've reverted him and you can discuss on Talk:Days of our Lives. Mike H 19:25, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

 * Oh, no! I worded it weird. I meant that the user switched your "deceased" back to the cross, and I reverted it back to YOUR version, and I wanted you to possibly talk it out on the Talk page so he knows why you did it (more so than the edit summary). Mike H 22:10, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

 * To just clarify my position: I was just concerned with the sort of Christian-centricism, a militant atheist as I am. It is acceptable in the German wikipedia to use the cross, but not in the English-language. nickname (talk)

Wikipedia logo
Please can you remove the wikipedia logo from your how to mail shot. It is copyrighted, not GFDL, and should not be used because mirror sites cannot use it. Justinc 13:20, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Of course I shall remove it: thank you for the information.

Image Tagging Image:French cuff.JPG
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Frazione

A frazione (: frazioni) is a type of subdivision of a comune (municipality) in Italy, often a small village or hamlet outside the main town. Most frazioni were created during the Fascist era (1922–1943) as a way to consolidate territorial subdivisions in the country.

In the autonomous region of the Aosta Valley, a frazione is officially called hameau in French and Arpitan. In South Tyrol, a frazione is called Fraktion in German and frazion in Ladin.

Description
The term frazioni refers to the villages or hamlets that often make up a comune (a type of municipal-level government) in rural Italian areas. Subdivision of a comune is optional; some comuni have no frazioni, but others have several dozen. The comune usually has the same name of the capoluogo, but not always, in which case it is called a comune sparso.

In practice, most frazioni are small villages or hamlets, occasionally just a clump of houses. Not every hamlet is classified as a frazione; those that are not are often referred to as località, for example, in the telephone book. In some cases, frazioni are more populous than the capoluogo of the comune. Due to unusual circumstances or to the depopulation of the capoluogo, the town hall and its administrative functions can move to one of the frazioni: the comune still retains the name of the capoluogo.

History
Historically, many frazioni came into being during the Fascist era, when a major effort was made to consolidate and rationalize the territorial subdivisions of the country. Sometimes, a frazione represents a former comune that was believed to be no longer viable.

Until 2000, the central government established the frazioni and defined their borders, except in the case of the five autonomous regions (see regions of Italy), where this was controlled at the regional level. By the Legislative Decree 267/2000 to implement amendments to Title V of the Italian Constitution, the individual comuni now define the frazioni within their borders.

Officers
Under the former legislation, a frazione had the option of having a submayor (prosindaco), who was appointed by the mayor (sindaco) of the comune, often on the recommendation of deliberative bodies such as the communal council (consiglio) or the giunta, or as a result of a petition by enough residents of the frazione involved; although there was no official provision for frazioni to group together with the appointment of a single prosindaco, this did happen quite often. Under current law, however, Article 54 of the d.lgs. 267/2000 provides that a mayor may delegate mayoral functions at the frazione level to a councillor of the comune.

In many comuni, in addition to their advisory function, the frazioni have their clerks and recorders of deeds, but they do not maintain their own civil records.

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Talk:Rhône

Untitled
This should be at River Rhône. The other word order is an Americanism. The Rhône is in the EU, where standard English is official. — Chameleon 19:26, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * IMHO "Rhone" would be sufficient as title. BTW it's the "Rhône (département)" that is in the EU. -- User:Docu

 * Class V and CEMT need to be slightly explained for the average reader (me). And Rhône simply means "river" doesn't it: cf. Rhein--Wetman 10:22, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Course
From the article: "The average annual discharge from Lake Geneva is 570 m³/s" The wording implies an amount (eg 570 m³), while the unit is a rate. How should that be written? The reference has the same wording, it seems unclear to me. -- Klacquement 15:17, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

 * It is custom to state the average annual discharge as a flow rate in units of m³/s. That makes it easier to compare with e.g. an average monthly flow rate. The total average annual amount of water is [flow rate]x[seconds in a year] = 1.8 x 1010 m³ for Rhône. 90.184.242.141 (talk) 18:13, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Is this true? "The Rhône is an important route for inland navigation, connecting the industrial cities of Arles, Avignon, Valence, Vienne and Lyon to the Mediterranean ports of Fos, Marseille and Sète." Certainly Avignon can't be considered industrial in any way and having lived a long time there I don't recall ever seeing anything that looked like a cargo ship or barge on the Rhone, mostly just small cruise ships that opereate in a very constrained area.

 * Good point. Set in its historical, pre-railroad, pre-autoroute context. --Wetman 07:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Course above Brig - I agree that this is a torrent (ravine too), but removed misleading hyperlink to wikipedia torrent page, which is about entities called torrent, but nothing defining a torrent. The disambiguation link is worse, as it links to torrente - small intermittment streams, which the Rhone/Rotten is not . 62.3.255.103 (talk) 19:06, 19 January 2013 (UTC)fixed ip

WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 07:58, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Unqualified use
I have moved the article to Rhone because a quick look at Rhone (disambiguation) shows that all the other names would be qualified, by that I mean that if someone see Rhone in an article they will assume the river unless the context implies something else. For example if one reads "He crossed the Rhone." one would assume the Rhone river not the Rhone Glacier. --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 09:18, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Rhone or Rhône? A Google search:
 * about 796,000 English pages for Rhone -Rhône river -Wikipedia
 * about 244,000 English pages for -Rhone Rhône river -Wikipedia

Google Books:
 * 2010 on Rhone -Rhône river.
 * 1224 on -Rhone Rhône river

Google Scholar: --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 09:18, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * about 13,900 for Rhone -Rhône river.
 * about 5,260 for -Rhone Rhône river.

Photo: Presumably the Spot Satellite photograph shows the Rhône where it empties into the Mediterranean. I have added "Mouth of the" to the title. Please correct if wrong—dsh/08march2009

Navigation
I am confused by the sequence of wording opening the Navigation section: "Before railroads and highways were invented, the Rhone was an important inland trade and transportation route, connecting the cities of Arles, Avignon, Valence, Vienne and Lyon to the Mediterranean ports of Fos, Marseille and Sète. Before this, travelling down the Rhone by barge would take 3 weeks – it now only takes 3 days." What exactly does the "before this" refer to? Railroads and highways? How does that affect the amount of time to travel by barge down the Rhone? It would seem that shipping improvements would be playing a role in cutting down that transport time. As for railroads and highways, it is now 3 hours by highway and 1 hour 40 minutes by TGV (I just rode this route today!) and I assume similar time by freight train. -Krasnoludek (talk) 15:06, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Parkwells for the clarification. -Krasnoludek (talk) 09:39, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Italian name
Someone added the Italian name "Rodano" in the introduction, but to my knowledge there are no Italain-speaking regions where the Rhone flows. The reason given was the presence of Italian-speaking minorities in Valais but on the Swiss maps I can only see "Rotten", "Rhone" and "Rhône" and not "Rodano". Note: I'm not opposed to mention somewhere in the article that the Rhone is translated as "Rodano" in Italian if it helps (in the Etymology section for example) but logically the introduction should only mention native names. mge o talk 12:10, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Sierre has a small Italian minority. In addition, historically the French departments of Savoie and Haute-Savoie belonged to the Italian-speaking Kingdom of Sardinia until 1860. The Vistula article mentions the German name Weichsel in the introduction, even though the river doesn't flow anymore in Germany.Mvaldemar (talk) 12:24, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Sierre is a bilingual town since it is located on the French–German language border, but it is surely not an Italian-speaking city even if there are Italian-speaking people living there. On the other hand, the existence of the Kingdom of Sardinia may be a good reason to mention the Italian name. So, if nobody else opposes, I think you can add it back. mge o  talk 13:43, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Page moved. Unanimous support grounded in good reasoning. — Amakuru (talk) 23:32, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Rhone → Rhône – Restore correct name from move mentioned on Talk page but no RM, per WP:FRMOS, and as used consistently in all quality English sources. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:10, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Support consistent with the rest of Wikipedia. Siuenti (talk) 11:22, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Support to keep the proper French spelling and for consistency reasons. J I P  | Talk 11:49, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Support. At the Saône move I thought we should keep the accent and the same here, the right usage is with an accent. Sitta kah (talk) 22:52, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Support. It's clearly time to standardize the spelling here, but at least the unadorned title had a good Rhone. Red Slash 22:54, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. -- Necrothesp (talk) 21:00, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Comment on the above RM
by User:PBS In ictu oculi (talk) 10:20, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Can you explain? What's happening? ''Sitta kah'' (talk) 21:29, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * What's happening? ''Sitta kah'' (talk) 16:38, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Martigny somehow bluelinked but yet the Rhone river hometown Gletsch was not!
Gletsch is way more to do with the Rhone river than Martigny yet somehow Gletsch was not bluelinked but Martigny was. Sigh. Can someone explain how this besighsomeness came about? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:411:1600:226:8FF:FEDC:FD74 (talk) 21:48, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

de italics
see User talk:Doremo -- ZH8000 (talk) 18:13, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

The English spelling is the: Rhone not the: Rhône. Even google spellchecker lists: Rhone.
Sad little French nationalists are always ruining English-speaking wikis. Not that the English-speaking world seems to give a toss. Sigh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.5.94.220 (talk) 15:58, November 27, 2017 (UTC)

Error
The Nile is not a Mediterranean river and the cited reference [1] says river, not Mediterranean. 108.52.129.167 (talk) 12:41, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Seems the Nile article would disagree: "The Nile Delta is the delta formed in Lower Egypt where the Nile River spreads out and drains into the Mediterranean Sea." Vsmith (talk) 12:50, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

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Charles Thomas (Secretary of the Navy)

Charles Sparks Thomas (September 28, 1897 – October 17, 1983) was an American politician who served as Secretary of the Navy from 1954 to 1957.

Thomas was born in Independence, Missouri, and he attended the University of California and Cornell University. During World War I, he served as a naval aviator. He joined the Eisenhower Administration in 1953 as Undersecretary of the Navy; later that year, he designated an Assistant Secretary of Defense.

During the 1930s, Thomas worked for Foreman and Clark. Thomas became president of Trans World Airlines on 2 July 1958, and served until 28 July 1960. He subsequently was the president of the Irvine Company, which developed sprawling Southern California suburbs, through 1966. Thomas was director of several large corporations, including Lockheed.

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Mars Surveyor

Mars Surveyor may refer to various NASA Mars probes:

 * Mars Global Surveyor, single orbiter launched in 1996
 * Mars Surveyor 1998, where NASA lost both probes:
 * Mars Climate Orbiter (formerly the Mars Surveyor '98 Orbiter), and
 * Mars Polar Lander (formerly the Mars Surveyor '98 Lander)
 * Mars Surveyor 2001, of which there were also to be two probes:
 * 2001 Mars Odyssey (formerly Mars Surveyor 2001 Orbiter), currently orbiting Mars, and
 * Mars Surveyor 2001 Lander, cancelled in May 2000

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See This Through and Leave

See This Through and Leave is the debut album by the Cooper Temple Clause.

It was released as a CD, a limited edition double CD, an international CD, and a 7" boxed set, along with two promo CDs.

The title of the album comes from a lyric in the track "Murder Song".

The liner notes give 'thanks' to Five and Westlife "for their ongoing financial support". This is a humorous reference to the fact that the Cooper Temple Clause shared a record label with the two popular boy bands, who could be seen to have helped finance this album.

The album reached No. 27 on the UK Albums Chart.

CD one

 * 1) "Did You Miss Me?" - 4:40
 * 2) "Film-Maker" - 2:57
 * 3) "Panzer Attack" - 4:01
 * 4) "Who Needs Enemies?" - 4:52
 * 5) "Amber" - 5:07
 * 6) "Digital Observations" - 7:14
 * 7) "Let's Kill Music" - 4:13
 * 8) "555-4823" - 4:54
 * 9) "Been Training Dogs" - 3:13
 * 10) "The Lake" - 5:23
 * 11) "Murder Song" - 8:47

The international CD contains an extra track, "Safe Enough Distance Away".

Bonus disc

 * 1) "Devil Walks in the Sand"
 * 2) "Way Out West"
 * 3) "I'll Still Write"
 * 4) "Panzer Attack" (live)
 * 5) "Let's Kill Music" (live)

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Susan Wittig Albert

Susan Wittig Albert, also known by the pen names Robin Paige and Carolyn Keene, is an American mystery writer from Vermilion County, Illinois, United States. Albert was an academic and the first female vice president of Southwest Texas State University before retiring to become a fulltime writer.

Early life and education
Albert grew up in downstate Illinois, attending Danville High School before moving to the nearby community of Bismarck, where she graduated. She earned a degree from the University of Illinois at Urbana–Champaign and a Ph.D. in English from the University of California, Berkeley.

Educational career
She became a professor of English at the University of Texas, Austin and was a university administrator at Sophie Newcomb College in New Orleans and vice president for academic affairs at Southwest Texas State University. She also writes a column for Country Living Gardener magazine.

Writing career
Albert began writing young adult books in 1983, publishing as Susan Blake. In 1985, she was hired to write Nancy Drew books as Carolyn Keene. She also published two Hardy Boys books.

Albert began the China Bayles series in 1991. Her first China Bayles novel was Thyme of Death. The book was nominated for two national mystery awards, the 1992 Agatha award and the 1993 Anthony award in the "Best First Novel" category.

The titles of all the China Bayles novels include the names of herbs and include herbal themes that invoke the title. Albert is a guest speaker at both herbal clubs and women's groups around the country. She describes her books as "cozy mysteries" because they do not contain much violence or gratuitous behavior.

Albert and her husband, Bill, have also co-written The Robin Paige Victorian Mysteries, a series of a dozen mysteries set in the late Victorian era. Albert is also the author of The Cottage Tales of Beatrix Potter, a series of mysteries featuring author Beatrix Potter.

Personal life
Albert has three children. She lives on a 31-acre plot of land in the Texas Hill Country.

Fiction

 * A Wilder Rose (2013) - The story of Rose Wilder Lane, daughter of Laura Ingalls Wilder
 * Loving Eleanor (2016)
 * The General's Women (2017)

The China Bayles mysteries
The China Bayles herbal mystery series centers around the title character's deductive reasoning and knowledge as an herbalist and ex-lawyer, who solves murders with her best friend, Ruby Wilcox, owner of a New Age shop.
 * Thyme of Death (1992)
 * Witches' Bane (1993)
 * Hangman's Root (1994)
 * Rosemary Remembered (1995)
 * Rueful Death (1996)
 * Love Lies Bleeding (1997)
 * Chile Death (1998)
 * Lavender Lies (1999)
 * Mistletoe Man (2000)
 * Bloodroot (2001)
 * Indigo Dying (2003)
 * An Unthymely Death (Short Story Collection) (2003)
 * A Dilly of a Death (2004)
 * ''Dead Man's Bones (2005)
 * Bleeding Hearts (2006)
 * The China Bayles Book of Days (365 Celebrations of the Mystery, Myth, and Magic of Herbs) (2006)
 * Spanish Dagger (2007)
 * Nightshade (2008)
 * Wormwood (2009)
 * Holly Blues (2010)
 * Mourning Gloria (2011)
 * Cat's Claw (2012)
 * Widow's Tears (2013)
 * Death Come Quickly (2014)
 * Bittersweet (2015)
 * Blood Orange (2016)
 * The Last Chance Olive Ranch (2017)
 * Queen Anne's Lace (2018)
 * A Plain Vanilla Murder (2019)
 * Hemlock (2021)
 * Forget Me Never (2024)

The Pecan Springs Enterprise Trilogy
The trilogy of novellas features characters from the China Bayles mysteries, focused on reporter Jessica Nelson and the Enterprise newspaper.
 * Deadlines (ebook July 7, 2020; omnibus print edition August 18, 2020)
 * Fault Lines (ebook July 21, 2020; omnibus print edition August 18, 2020)
 * Fire Lines (ebook August 4, 2020; omnibus print edition August 18, 2020)

The Cottage Tales of Beatrix Potter

 * The Tale of Hill Top Farm (2004) ISBN 978-0-425-20101-5
 * The Tale of Holly How (2005) ISBN 978-0-425-20274-6
 * The Tale of Cuckoo Brow Wood (2006)
 * The Tale of Hawthorn House (2007)
 * The Tale of Briar Bank (2008)
 * The Tale of Applebeck Orchard (2009)
 * The Tale of Oat Cake Crag (2010)
 * The Tale of Castle Cottage (2011)

The Robin Paige Victorian-Edwardian mysteries
These were co-written with her husband, Bill Albert under the name Robin Paige.

 * Death at Bishop's Keep (1994)
 * Death at Gallows Green (1995)
 * Death at Daisy's Folly (1997)
 * Death at Devil's Bridge (1998)
 * Death at Rottingdean (1999)
 * Death at Whitechapel (2000)
 * Death at Epsom Downs (2001)
 * Death at Dartmoor (2002)
 * Death at Glamis Castle (2003)
 * Death in Hyde Park (2004)
 * Death at Blenheim Palace (2005)
 * Death on the Lizard (2006)

The Darling Dahlias mysteries
Takes place in a fictitious town called Darling, Alabama during the 1930s. Centers on a group of amateur, mystery solving women in a garden club called the Darling Dahlias.

 * The Darling Dahlias and the Cucumber Tree (2010)
 * The Darling Dahlias and the Naked Ladies (2011)
 * The Darling Dahlias and the Confederate Rose (2012)
 * The Darling Dahlias and the Texas Star (2013)
 * The Darling Dahlias and the Silver Dollar Bush (2014)
 * The Darling Dahlias and the Eleven O'Clock Lady (2015)
 * The Darling Dahlias and the Unlucky Clover (2018)
 * The Darling Dahlias and the Poinsettia Puzzle (2018)
 * The Darling Dahlias and the Voodoo Lily (2020)
 * The Darling Dahlias and the Red Hot Poker (2022)

Nonfiction

 * Work of Her Own: A Woman's Guide to Success off the Career Track (1992) ISBN 978-0-87477-767-3
 * Writing From Life: Telling Your Soul's Story (1997) ISBN 978-0-87477-848-9
 * Together, Alone: A Memoir of Marriage and Place (2007)
 * An Extraordinary Year of Ordinary Days (2009)

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