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Trades
Under the trades heading it states that as of June 1st, EB no longer takes N64 or PS1 games. This statement is false. I work at an EB games in Toronto and we still take N64 and PS1 games.

Really? I work at an EB and a Gamestop in Wisconsin, and our district has stopped taking N64 and PS1. Maybe it's different in Canada?

Is "Locations such as those in Phoenix, Arizona have recently cracked down on enforcing this policy, whereas before all ages were permitted to sell games. Small stores with policies as these have often undergone several management changes, many of which have continually lost stores much money. Smaller stores, much like the one in Phoenix, are predicted to continually slide downhill and eventually give way to bigger stores such as Best Buy, " from a reliable source? It sounds like obvious bias to me.

I added a verify source marker for reference.

- Vyxx Sep 20th '06

Electronics Boutique Australia is currently accepting PS1 and N64 games in a promotion called "Retro Fiesta"

Yeah I work in an EB Games in Australia and we still accept PS1 games for $1 each with the trade in of a PSX or PSone. Beelzebub101 11:19, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

In my personal experience I witnessed underage sellers allowed to trade in their games without a parent present, although this was neither encouraged, nor practiced officially. Policy dictated that a seller had to be an adult according to Provincial rules.Coloneldoctor (talk) 00:47, 7 June 2008 (UTC)ColonelDoctor

Deleted Ads
Please refrain from turning this into an advertisement page!

Someone wrote "EBX is like the older Electronic Boutiques." I don't know if this is true. I've been to an EBX that looked more like an EB Kids or EB Games. They sold only console games, no PC or Mac games, and nothing else. They also seem to have a more kid-friendly appearance than EB Games. Does anyone have an EBX near them or know if the description of EBX is correct? Also, what exactly were the older "Electronics Boutiques" like? Hyad 05:46, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

EBX was a higher-end store-- there was a lot of glass and light wood. It was for the "higher end mall" areas.

Stop N Save was another type of design. These were primarily red & black and had a lot of budget games.

Electronics Boutique was their original name. They changed over because (I believe) it was a mouthful to say.

EB Games is what the company was striving for for all of their stores before GameStop bought them out (ah hem-- merged with them.) They were hoping to have all the US stores rebranded by 2006. GameStop plans on keeping the Electronics Boutique/EB Games name for their international stores (Canada, mostly) for name recognition reasons for the time being. All new stores were being built along the "EB Games" style, with all older stores being remodeled with this style as well. Nothing has been discussed about the merger plans for these stores.

65.202.11.7 17:35, 8 September 2005 (UTC)an employee

Anyone know how they employ staff?

Someone put a picture tha was An "EB Games" next door to a "Source by Circuit City" store at a retail strip mall. This store is located in Brandon, MB, Canada, with this pic:

Im pretty sure someone from curcuit city did this.

Electronics Boutique was their original name. They changed over because (I believe) it was a mouthful to say. They changed the name to stop confusion, and bring it inline with what they actually sold.Biasia (talk) 13:54, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

In my experience high school students were targeted for employment, probably for the same reasons McDonalds etc use them. I didn't see anything explicitly wrong in how people were hired. My area of interest is in how people were treated according to local and Provincial labour laws, and in general across the EB Games international presence. I believe it is an important educational element to compare EB Games' track record on labour with other giant companies. My concern is that they will just pop in and erase my additions again.Coloneldoctor (talk) 23:52, 6 June 2008 (UTC)ColonelDoctor

Written by emplyees?
This whole thing starts off good then starts reeking of an advertisment. i already removed the line "Let’s not forget about pre-played hardware either." but there are still problems, expecially with the last paragraph, its not even really nessecery, and the specific deals available make it sound like a catalog. they are very specific and dont apply to most or even a great majority of readers. they also change every month or more. I think the lower half of the article needs to be redone but i dont really have the knowledge to do it. i wont remove the problem parts at the moment cause it would leave the article very bare.

-Theres another problem, they accept next to nothing for tradeins now and they offer store credit for WAY less than they sell a game for. a 30 dollar used game gets maybe a dollar in store credit.

Dude thats why if you talk to them about trades they'll tend to mention that the faster you trade the more you save, Dont winge because you were stupid enough to hold onto old games or ones that everyone else has already traded.

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I removed the following text from the end of the "International" section:

 * In April 2006, EB came in line with Gamestop policies, dramatically raising shipping costs to international customers, while reducing the quality of service. The EB Gamestop merger took most competition out of the online videogame retail industry, creating a practically undisputed monopoly, and removing choice from customers.

I don't know whether the first part of this (about the shipping costs) is true or not, but the rest is completely POV, so I've removed it. Loganberry (Talk) 02:30, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

While it seem POV, it is completely true. Being that the truth/facts is/are more important than the way something is written, you are in the wrong having removed the information. If you can't see that then you are either: a) fucking blind, or b) an employee. And moreso than the online retail industry, how many other videogame stores/chains are there? Those two are about it, and they're the only stores widespread enough to know that you can likely find one even if you go from one side of the country to the other. Finally, it should be noted that the poster above you mentioned something that anyone who has been to the store notices: they make a fucking killing on trade-ins while raping you royally. Dudewhiterussian 22:11, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree with the removal. The previous comment is irrelevant. The removal citied mentioned the online industry which deals almost exclusively with credit transactions. GameStop only took over 50% of the market in late 2007. Even then it was still less than 60%. Wal-Mart is its largest competitor. A quick news flash to those who bitch about trade prices. That coach purse you bought your wife had a mark up of well over 1000%. The mark-up on used games is about 150%. Clothes in Wal-Mart have about a 200% mark-up. I'd say GameStop is fair. Bottom-line. They are a business who needs to make money to survive. Deal with it.

It's not irrelevant if it helps the student put the company's history in perspective, and I disagree that the essential information contained in it should be removed. That being said, the removed text seemed a little subjective. There's no reason a re-written version should be excluded, although in the interests of educational value it would be wise to compare EB's policy changes with other large corporations, to better enable the student to decide for themselves whether any of their business practices can be determined to be ethically questionable.Coloneldoctor (talk) 02:21, 9 June 2008 (UTC)ColonelDoctor

Questions
I used to work in Electronics Boutique in 1995 in the UK and the name of the stores it took over was "Future Zone" (quite snazzy as some sotres had a virtual reality machine in the back. Anyhoo, can someone add the name of the store somewhere?  I'm not advertising, it was a a s**t job, awful pay, Managment who clearly knew nothing about games (for instance they demanded that we give the majority of floor space to "edutainment" PC titles which never sold)

Is Gamestop in the UK? I have yet to see anything in the UK related to the GameStop brand in any form.

Labour Practices
To my recollection the Wikipedia is an educational resource, not a marketing tool, nor a place for companies to hang up their hagiographies to themselves. My first entry which touched upon this company's questionable labour practices has simply disappeared without comment. I have reinserted the entry, using citations of well known instances, in order to let the student judge their merit.

If it should be so simple for a company to merely erase what they don't like in their entry, then I despair for the ratio esse of our dear Wikipedia. Coloneldoctor (talk) 23:35, 6 June 2008 (UTC)ColonelDoctor

1230?
From the article:

"In early 1230, Electronics Boutique's UK entity merged with Game Group Plc and the "GAME" brand replaced the EB name at all former EB stores in the UK and Ireland. The new company was the biggest video game retailer in the United Kingdom. However, GameStop Corp. is once again operating in Ireland under the GameStop brand."

Something tells me that that year is a bit off... --Dragon of the Pants 21:28, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

wow ya think. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.19.46.27 (talk) 00:02, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

PC Games?
It is mentioned that trades ARE accepted for PC games, although the store I work for does not allow trade-in on any PC Games whatsoever regardless of condition, due to piracy, cd-key stealing, ect. Whoever added this, because I am interested: which store do you visit/work for that allows PC software trade in?

The store I work for also does not accept PC games as a valid trade, due to serial key theft mostly. I am also interested where this statement came from? --HarroSIN 03:36, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Trading PC Games? No. Never have. As for the future...unlikely I doubt you'd even find PO SKU's for PC games. Biasia (talk) 13:55, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

The Orillia, Ontario, Canada EB Games store regularly traded PC games. I find it difficult to believe claims that PO SKUs were hard to find, as our computers were all connected to the same source. The search capabilities were instinctive, and the daily perpetuals were fairly exhaustive.Coloneldoctor (talk) 23:44, 6 June 2008 (UTC)ColonelDoctor

James started it, he used funds from his first company Amkor Electronics Inc., a Valley Forge, Pennsylvania-based semiconductor assembly company affiliated with the Seoul-based company, Anam Industrial Co. Ltd., run by his father.

GameStop took its last PC trade-ins in Feb. 2006, shortly after the merger. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.204.150.244 (talk) 01:46, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: name changing to GameStop
Article states "It is believed that this is the same reason that GameStop has not commenced renaming EB Games stores to GameStop, even though the companies have been operating as one since early 2006." Yet, this seems like pure speculation and is not supported by a citation that indicates who "believes" this. My personal experience is that indeed EB Games stores are being renamed to GameStop, at least in the DFW area. Oswald Glinkmeyer 17:20, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

All of the EB stores in my area still have their original names... Alabasterchinchilla 05:10, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Most stores have one to three year lease agreements with the mall management company. Part of the renewal terms usually includes remodeling the storefront to the company's latest design. It is at this time that most stores are rebranded with the new name. This also allows the company to spread out the costs of rebranding over several years.

They wont rebrand the EB Games stores in Australia, the company is called Electronics Boutique Australia Pty Ltd. It only Trades under the name of EB Games since the American company got its name change.

 * Since the least to the name has ran out, all U.S. EB Games video game stores have now officially been re-named "GameStop". Merging should be taken more seriously at this point. Redsox04 23:48, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Merger
If these articles are to be merged, what conditions would be made to go through the rather different corporate histories pre-merger? It's important that this information remain clear in a potential merged article, which I can see as a potential problem. It might be valuable to keep this article as a fork of GameStop so that this aspect isn't lost. matt91486 18:43, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Merge-EB is now Gamestop. The history of EB should be included in the article though.  --DreamsAreMadeOf 03:30, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Dont merge - EB is now Gamestop in the US. Gamestop still trades under the titles Electronics Boutique, EB Games, EBX etc. in every other country. If you want to merge it fair enough, but i will have to create a whole new page to cover the companies outside the US that still trade or operate under the title EB Games. Biasia (talk) 13:59, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Don't merge - EB and Gamestop both have two different histories that really shouldn't need to be combined. True the companies are merged and names to the moajority of EB stores have been changed to "Gamestop", but I truly believe that the pages should both be a separate entity and should only include a page to refer to the merging of both companies. Venomscarnage (talk) 20:25, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Within the next two years, all EBgames worldwide will be rebranded as GameStop. Saevurr (talk) 06:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Don't merge. I've never seen a GameStop store in Canada. EBGames, however, are everywhere. Since the english wiki isn't only USA-centric, I say we must keep this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.191.22.226 (talk) 19:15, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Merge. Gamestop has acquired EB Games, and adding the history to the Gamestop page with a redirect would keep the same information in the parent companies page. Brinlong (talk) 20:25, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Don't merge. Even if EB Games was wiped tomorrow completely off the planet, I would rather have two pages for historical accuracy. i.e. "Eb games was a store until year 2006 when it was merged with Gamestop"... or something. I really would not like the pages merged, because this while destroy this accuracy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.222.37.20 (talk) 20:15, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Support: I've been an employee for EBgames since before the merger with GameStop, Inc and was hired as an EB employee. While I never really liked it, now that the company is called GameStop Corp. and all the EBgames and EBX's are being rebranded as GameStop, it would be correct to merge the two pages. Saevurr (talk) 06:15, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Support 2: I too have been an employee since pre-merger and agree that since all stores are funded from one company with central operations in Grapevine, TX (including international locations), the two pages should be merged provided that a section be dedicated to EB History from Electronic's Boutique to merger. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.204.150.244 (talk) 01:43, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Oppose (don't merge). Just because they're now one entity doesn't mean their articles should be merged. Compaq, for example, still has its own Wikipedia page containing its history, even though it was acquired by HP. --Alexc3 (talk) 02:55, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Very Strong Oppose - There are many EBGames stores in Canada and I've never seen a Gamestop here. Just because it's Gamestop in the US doesn't mean it's Gamestop everywhere. ~NeonFire372~ (talk) 21:26, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Oppose - Until re-branding is complete and all stores are operating under one name, the article should remain. Until then, EBGames is still a brand of stores operating under a different name than its parent corporation. Many articles in wikipedia remain active in this capacity. Once re-branding is complete, the articles should be merged. The only reason (normally) that the then-defunct absorbed company would continue to warrant a separate page is when the history of that company is substantially different from the currently-operating company AND is too lengthy to be summarized into the current company's article, such as the new "AT&T" and the old "American Telephone and Telegraph". Awhit003 (talk) 01:14, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Merge - EB Games is just a subsidary of GameStop. Most stores have been re-branded, so I guess both should share the same article. OfficerPhil (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 00:25, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Don't merge. The fact that there was a company called EB Games is not under dispute. This article should chronicle the history of EB Games. Even the introduction says EB Games is just a subsidiary of GameStop. Warner Bros. is a subsidiary of Time Warner yet we still have a Warner Bros. article. Mobil merged with Exxon to form ExxonMobil but we still have a Mobil article. --Pixelface (talk) 15:21, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't merge. Gamestop is its own just as Eb is its own, please don't mess-up another page like the others.--Lbrun12415 03:41, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I support the merge because I haven't seen a single EB Games anywhere I've been, but I also oppose it because there are still EB Games outside of the U.S. SAVIOR_  SELF  .777  03:18, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

 * Don't merge. This company exists as EB Games in Canada and other international countries. Merging will potentially compromise what educational value exists, and numerous concerns listed about this article have shown the potential for it to be rebooted as a saintsong/marketing tool.Coloneldoctor (talk) 00:52, 7 June 2008 (UTC)ColonelDoctor

 * Don't Merge for the reasons of there still are EB Game locations. Tabor (talk) 02:23, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

 * Don't Merge, so we have a historical picture when we all die the aliens will know about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ronjohn (talk • contribs) 10:43, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

 * Don't Merge Actually, i don't think EB Games and Gamestop should be merged.

 * Oppose, EBGames still exists internationally without GameStop stores. - Cheers, Vicer  Userpage 11:35, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

 * Don't Merge - as others have said, until there's no more EB Games stores or any of the other names, it's still a valid article. After they've all been rebranded, I think it would be a better choice. Corath (talk) 16:12, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

 * Don't Merge: EB Games is a separate company with its own history, despite many stores being sold to GameStop. You wouldn't merge Bamberger's, Foley's, Strawbridge's, Filene's, Marshall Field's, and Kaufmann's into Macy's, would you? TheListUpdater (talk) 14:53, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Don't Merge' -Some good points are presented here. At the current time I would have to say that there is no NEE to merge the two articles, as long as it is mentioned that EB is wholey owned as operated by Game Stop. Who are employees employed by? Sephiroth storm (talk) 04:04, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Don't Merge' - Employees of the original EBGAMES. Those's who were in the Manager - Assistant Manager positions never wanted the Merger with Gamestop. Gamestop themselves have terrible policies that Former EB employers disagree with.  Don't put both histories together.  10 September 2008 (ETC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.89.228.157 (talk) 15:38, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Merge' - When you look up FuncoLand, Software Etc., and Babbage's you are brought to GameStop.  Why would you not bring them all together.  And YES, there are still stores named Software ETC, Babbage's and Funcoland.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.194.199.117 (talk) 19:36, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Merge! - Why is everyone bagging on this? EBGames does still trade and exist, but let's go through this. 1; EBGames is part of Gamestop. 2; The stores are, in fact, going to be rebranded in the next year or two, despite denial. It's happening in the US, why wouldn't it happen in Canada or other places? But we can still represent the stores. Like, by making an EBGames section in the Gamestop article. It's honestly not that hard. —Preceding unsigned comment added by StarfoxRoy (talk • contribs) 21:50, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Don't merge - As many others have said, EBgames is a company that existed in the past, and still exists as a store outside the US. If you do merge them, I expect all other stores that have been merged into another, even if only in their home nation, to be merged as well, after all, we have to be fair don't we. (that was sarcasm if you could not tell) --Alphamone (talk) 13:45, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Don't merge - EB Games are still trading as EB Games! Let it go at least until the re-brand has gone through. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.49.158.125 (talk) 00:30, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Merge' - EBGames is GameStop. Those who are against the merge have yet to provide a decent argument.

 * Don't merge There are still plenty of EB Games storefronts that have no timetable on a change over. Also there are plenty of markets that have yet to see as single Gamestop. There are plenty of articles where a different brand within the same company has a separate article. Geek Squad isn't just a redirect to Best Buy for example. The only rational for merging is the idea by some people that “Well since all the ones in MY area have changed over this must reflect the rest of the world.” That and GameStop fanboy behavior. PeRshGo (talk) 06:20, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Canada
EB Games locations in Canada that have before changed to Gamestop are reverting back to the EB Games format, no source so I didn't edit the article. The only source I have is the EB games in Saint John, NB renovated last year into a Gamestop. But when I went in today the sign had changed back to EB Games, no mention of "Gamestop" was found. Maybe changing the name resulted in lost profits?--Ech064 (talk) 00:40, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

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- From the talk page of the fraternity article:

Weyes, I do understand what you are saying about the copyright, but you must understand that as a member of the Fraternity, I do have the right to use information from the national website to accurately display historical information about the Fraternity on the internet. In your google search, I am sure that you have seen on numerous IOTA chapter websites hold the same information and that is done intentionally so as to display Fraternity-approved history (which is a directive from our protocol). If you have any further questions about this, please email me directly rather than continue this debate on the talk page. Again, I am a national officer and have received approval (by being a Grand Council member) to produce historical information about the Fraternity in proper settings. Wikipedia is one of those settings.

Furthermore, the information I just edited into the article is written by me. If proof is needed, I will only provide that to an admin. team member of wikipedia.

Thank you. :Suntzu1963 01:11, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

 * What exactly do you mean by an admin team member? Someone who is widely recognized as being responsible for the quality (accuracy, readability, legality, neutrality) of Wikipedia? Someone who has been granted access to the technical tools necessary to those ends? Someone in whom this community trusts, and on whom it relies, to make of Wikipedia an expansive, informative, professional, and usable reference work? Weyes is such a person. So am I. And so are you. That's the wiki way.

 * If, on the other hand, what you meant was one of the people who write the software and maintain the servers -- forget about it. As of this writing there are 604900 articles in the English Wikipedia alone, plus all of the user pages, indices, and meta-information about the project. The developers are few and far between, and could not personally handle these sorts of disputes for one percent of the encyclopedia if they worked at it full-time. Wikipedia is the largest encyclopedia on earth precisely because they have not attempted to do it themselves, but have devolved power.

 * Devolving power, however, means that posting on Wikipedia is a fraught act. It entails much more, in both letter and spirit, than 'I have free access to this webspace' and 'I know that what I am doing now is licit'. It means that you accept your trust to advance the purpose of Wikipedia, namely the creation of an outstanding reference encyclopedia. We have certain policies, guidelines, and customs because they help us make an impeccably usable reference. And inasmuch as this is Wikipedia and not the fraternity's website, we are going to have it done to Wikipedia standards.

 * Now, there's a very specific, overarching concern that arises whenever Wikipedia includes text that has been published anywhere else. I hope I'll be able to state it well, after clarify a couple of related matters. I hasten to point out that information is not subject to copyright. Information is facts, facts are ideas, and ideas are not the object of copyright law. The text which you have provided is an expression of ideas, and such an expression is under copyright implicitly from the first moment it was written, being owned by the author(s) (or, if done on commission, by the commissioning party). Meaning that some legal person (or persons) owns the rights to the text you are posting, and only that person (those persons) can license its copying, redistribution, or use as a basis for other works. And now let me refer you to the Copyright policy of Wikipedia. Do you have authority from your fraternity, not only to publish this text yourself, but to release it under the GNU Free Documentation License, which permits any member of the wikigoing public to copy it, redistribute it, and create derivative works from it? (Note that this necessarily entails that other parties may create non-approved versions!)

 * If you have not got that authority, you are putting Wikipedia at risk, and inasmuch as anyone (such as Weyes or myself) values Wikipedia, he or she has every right to ask for credentials. If you have got that authority, but feel you must create material not compatible with the community's understanding of what Wikipedia should contain and how it should appear, you must resign yourself to the fact that that community has the technical ability, the legal right, and the will to rework or remove all such material. And if, for whatever reason, you are unable to create or allow Wikipedia-style content about your fraternity here, we must part ways. Your contributions can be wiped

 * I hope this helps clear up why Weyes seems to be calling you out, and why working on an article here is such a 'fraught' act. And I hope you will stick around and contribute something informative, encyclopedic, and indisputably legal (and preferably in brilliant prose!) -- sorry it's taken so long, but welcome to Wikipedia! eritain 21:25, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Hear, hear. Don't worry, we were all new once (and "new" is relative), but if you take the advice of other users, you'll find you're considered to be an even better contributor. Rob Church 23:33, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

Page move
Iota Phi Theta Fraternity, Inc. is not lost, don't worry! I'm sorry this happened, you must have been horrified to see the article gone. I'll fix the situation, but it may take a while. We're going to need three pages, I think: one for each of the fraternities, plus one disambiguation page. Remind me never to try to clear out Category:Requested moves again. :-( Bishonen | talk 19:47, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Whew! Thank you so much for assisting me. It's not your fault (you were doing the right thing) and was a confusion that began with the change of the name from Iota Phi Theta Fraternity, Inc. to Iota Phi Theta (and the user that made that change was trying to make things uniform too so there's no blame there either). Please let me know what you need me to do and I will assist. Suntzu1963 15:00, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Whew indeed! I just finished the moving-around (I hope). I've put a note on Talk:Iota Phi Theta Fraternity, Inc. and Talk:Iota Phi Theta (John Carroll University), please check it out and see whether everything looks right to you. Best, Bishonen | talk 20:56, 31 December 2005 (UTC).
 * Looks good to me Bishonen! Thank you for your assistance. Happy New Year! Suntzu1963 16:08, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Iota userbox
see Category:Wikipedians in Iota Phi Theta Ccson 05:49, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Fraternities and sororities
There is an article on fraternities and sororities and it has a section regarding pledging one of the NPHC organization. The info is incorrect and I'm not sure where they obtained this info. can you reveiw the text at Joining a black fraternity; then go to the talk page and provide your knowledge whether this is how NPHC member conduct pledge programs? Ccson 03:47, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

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Mary Fraser Tytler

Mary Seton Fraser Tytler (married name Mary Seton Watts) (25 November 1849 – 6 September 1938) was a symbolist craftswoman, designer and social reformer.

Biography
Watts, née Fraser-Tytler, was born on 25 November 1849, in India. She was the daughter of Charles Edward Fraser Tytler of Balnain and Aldourie, who worked for the East India Company. She spent much of her youth in Scotland, where she was raised by her grandparents, and settled in England in the 1860s. Early in 1870 she studied art in Dresden before enrolling at the South Kensington School of Art later the same year. During 1872 and 1873 Tytler studied sculpture at the Slade School of Art. She initially became known as a portrait painter, and was associated with Julia Margaret Cameron and the Freshwater community. There she met painter George Frederic Watts, and at the age of 36 (he was 69), became his second wife on 20 November 1886 in Epsom, Surrey.

Watts was President of the Godalming and District National Union of Women's Suffrage Society (a local branch of the National Union of Women's Suffrage Societies), and she convened at least one women's suffrage meeting in Compton, Surrey.

Watts died at her home, Limnerslease, in Compton on 6 September 1938. Her remains are buried in the Watts Chapel.

Work
After her marriage, Watts largely worked in the fields of Celtic and Modern Style (British Art Nouveau style) bas-reliefs, pottery, metalwork, and textiles. She co-founded the Compton Potters' Arts Guild and the Arts & Crafts Guild in Compton, Surrey. She designed, built, and maintained the Watts Mortuary Chapel in Compton (1895–1904); and had built and maintained the Watts Gallery (1903–04) for the preservation of her husband's work.

Watts exhibited her work at The Woman's Building at the 1893 World's Columbian Exposition in Chicago, Illinois.

Watts, through the Home Arts and Industries Association (HAIA), worked to create employment for rural communities through the preservation of handicrafts. During the execution of the Watts Mortuary Chapel, Watts trained workers in clay modelling, an initiative that eventually led to the establishment of the Compton Potters' Guild in 1899. She was a firm believer in the idea that anyone given the opportunity could produce things of beauty and that everyone should have a craft within which they could express themselves creatively. She supported the revival of the Celtic style, the indigenous artistic expression of Scotland and Ireland. In 1899, she was asked to design rugs in this style for the carpet company Alexander Morton & Co of Darvel, Liberty's main producer of furnishing fabrics. In cooperation with the Congested Districts Board, Morton had established a workshop in Donegal, Ireland, to employ local women who had little opportunity to earn a livelihood.

Watts pioneered Liberty's Celtic style, with much of the imagery for the Celtic Revival carpets, book-bindings, metalwork, and textiles for Liberty & Co. being based on her earlier designs at the Watts Mortuary Chapel.

Later in life, Watts wrote The Word in the Pattern (1905), which details the use of symbols in the Watts Mortuary Chapel, and completed a three-volume biography of her husband, Annals of an Artist's Life (1912).

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Everybody's Golf 4

Everybody's Golf 4 (みんなのGOLF 4), known in the PAL region as Everybody's Golf (Everybody's Golf 2004 in Australia), and in North America as Hot Shots Golf Fore!, is the fourth game in the Everybody's Golf series and the second released for PlayStation 2.

Features
This game delivers more realistic physics, sharper graphics, more golfers, caddies and courses than before. Miniature golf games and online play for players with the Network Adaptor are also driving features. The developers increased the overall number of characters from 15 to 24, added more caddies (10 in all) and boosted the number of courses from six to 15. Of these 15 courses, 10 are new, while five are returning favorites from the previous game. The game also features a Tournament mode where up to 32 players can compete against each other. Cameo roles as playable characters in the North American and PAL versions are unlockable characters Ratchet (from the Ratchet & Clank series) and Jak (from the Jak and Daxter series, as he would later appear in Jak 3). Ratchet and Jak's caddies are Clank and Daxter, respectively. A Pipo Monkey (from the Ape Escape series) is an unlockable caddie in the Japanese and PAL versions only. The PAL version seems to have the largest character roster overall.

Everybody's Golf 4 implements the "Everybody's Points" system where players earn and spend points to unlock new gear and extras. Several different modes of play are available and include Tour (full season of tournaments), Tournament (plug and play instant action mode), VS Mode (challenge golfers to unlock new characters/costumes) and Training (in game tutorial mode). In addition, there are two online play modes: Head to Head (one on one play with another player) and Real Time Tournament (real time online golf tourneys). The North American and PAL versions included online play while Japanese did not. The North American online play servers were shut down as of 30 June 2008.

One unique feature is an unlockable "Advanced Mode" that allows players to golf without the grid showing where the ball is expected to land when taking a shot or putting. This grid is typically used in golfing video games.

Reception
The game received "favourable" reviews according to the review aggregation website Metacritic. In Japan, Famitsu gave it a score of all four nines for a total of 36 out of 40.

CiN Weekly gave it a favourable review and said: "Though hard-core golfers might not appreciate exaggerated plaid pants on cartoon characters and sarcastic golfers, pretty much everyone else will get into the game's taunting, tricks and big hit effects and exaggerated character personalities". Playboy gave it 89% and said that the game "successfully balances accessibility and depth, and manages to add a host of new features while staying true to what's made this franchise so popular. It's a highly recommended pick for PS2 owners looking for a little more fun on the fairway". However, Maxim gave it three-and-a-half stars out of five and said that "even if you lack broadband, the bizarre characters and 13 arcade-style courses to choose from will keep you giddier than Carl Spackler on a gofer [sic] hunt".

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CCSOSAR

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was article was deleted by Duk 21:43, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC) as as a copyright violation. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 05:11, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

CCSOSAR
despite the cause, it's self-promotion and not very notable. 67.101.113.10 17:56, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Deleted as a copyright violation.--Duk 21:43, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete (and copyvio) drini ☎ 20:21, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Copyvio, and Google gives ~400 hits for CCSOSAR. --Idont Havaname 20:31, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete non notable. JamesBurns 09:51, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

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Supreme Court of New South Wales

The Supreme Court of New South Wales is the highest state court of the Australian State of New South Wales. It has unlimited jurisdiction within the state in civil matters, and hears the most serious criminal matters. Whilst the Supreme Court is the highest New South Wales court in the Australian court hierarchy, an appeal by special leave can be made to the High Court of Australia.

Matters of appeal can be submitted to the New South Wales Court of Appeal and Court of Criminal Appeal, both of which are constituted by members of the Supreme Court, in the case of the Court of Appeal from those who have been commissioned as judges of appeal.

The Supreme Court consists of 52 permanent judges, including the Chief Justice of New South Wales, presently Andrew Bell, the President of the Court of Appeal, 10 Judges of Appeal, the Chief Judge at Common Law, and the Chief Judge in Equity.

The Supreme Court's central location is the Law Courts Building in Queen's Square, Sydney, New South Wales.

Background
The first superior court of the Colony of New South Wales (known as the Supreme Court of Civil Judicature) was established by letters patent dated 2 April 1814, known as the Second Charter of Justice of New South Wales. That charter provided that there should be a Supreme Court constituted by a Judge appointed by the King's commission and two Magistrates. The charter also created the Governor's Court and the Lieutenant-Governor's Court. The jurisdiction of the Governor's Court and the Supreme Court extended to Van Diemen's Land (the former name for Tasmania). All three courts were concerned with civil matters only.

Establishment
Legislation to establish a new supreme court for both New South Wales and Van Diemen's Land was prepared in London by James Stephen, counsel to the Colonial Office, and Francis Forbes, Chief Justice of Newfoundland and Chief Justice-designate of New South Wales. The act was called an "Act to provide for the better administration of justice in New South Wales and Van Diemen's Land and for the more effectual government thereof" and is numbered as 4 Geo. 4. c. 96. The statute was passed on 19 July 1823.

In consequence of this legislation, letters patent establishing the New South Wales Supreme Court were sealed on 13 October 1823, and proclaimed in Sydney on 17 May 1824. They are known as the Third Charter of Justice of New South Wales.

This charter provided that there should be a Chief Justice for the colony of New South Wales in the Island of New Holland (as the continent of Australia was then known), as well as other judges, a registrar, a prothonotary, a master, and a Keeper of Records and such other Officers as may be necessary for the administration of Justice in the colony.

The charter also established the office of sheriff; gave precedence to the Chief Justice over all other subjects except the Governor (or acting Governor) of the colony; and allowed the Court to admit persons to be barristers, attorneys, proctors or solicitors as the case may be. Previously, a person had to be admitted as such in the United Kingdom. However, ex-convicts were not permitted to be admitted.

In 1840, a Port Phillip division of the Court was created, consisting of a single Resident Judge, to exercise the court's jurisdiction in the Port Phillip District of the Colony of New South Wales. The division existed until 1852, when it was replaced by the Supreme Court of Victoria following the creation of the Colony of Victoria.

Also in 1840, the Parliament of New South Wales established a separate equity division in the court. Limited jurisdiction in divorce cases was granted in 1873 and full Admiralty jurisdiction was added in 1911. The Supreme Court, in 1972, was one of the last Common Law jurisdictions in the world to fuse the administration of Equity and Common Law, although these continue as the historic names for the two divisions of the court. This process began in the United Kingdom with the passage of the Judicature Acts in 1873. Since 1930, three generations of the Street family have served New South Wales as Chief Justice.

Supreme Court Judges Carolyn Simpson, Margaret Beazley and Virginia Bell made headlines in April 1999 when the three sat in the Court of Criminal Appeal in Sydney. The Judges threw out an appeal from a convicted computer hacker who had, out of "sheer maliciousness", been posting offensive messages on Ausnet's homepage. According to the Women Lawyers Association of NSW, there had never been an all-female bench in England or New Zealand at the time.

Structure and jurisdiction
The court now operates under the, the , and the , although provisions on the appointment and removal of judicial officers were incorporated into the state's Constitution in 1992.

The court consists of 52 permanent judges, three Acting Judges of Appeal, two Acting Judges, and an Associate Judge. Permanent judges include the Chief Justice of New South Wales, the President of the Court of Appeal, eleven Judges of Appeal (one of whom is currently the Chief Judge at Common Law), the Chief Judge at Common Law and the Chief Judge in Equity, and 38 Puisne Judges.

The Chief Judge in each trial division also sits in the Court of Appeal from time to time. Occasionally, puisne judges also sit in the Court of Appeal, though this is uncommon.

The court hears very serious cases such as murder and treason, civil cases involving more than $750 000, and civil matters such as wills, injunctions, and admiralty. The court's work at first instance is divided between the Common Law Division, which hears civil, criminal and administrative law matters, and the Equity Division, which hears equity, probate, commercial, admiralty, and protective matters. The court includes the Court of Appeal and the Court of Criminal Appeal which hear appeals from the District Court and the Local Court and from single judges sitting in the Common Law or Equity Divisions. The Court of Appeal also hears appeals from the Land and Environment Court of New South Wales and a number of administrative tribunals.

The Court of Appeal and the Court of Criminal Appeal are respectively the highest civil and criminal courts in the state. To appeal to the High Court of Australia from the Court of Appeal or the Court of Criminal Appeal, special leave must be granted by the High Court.

Appeals from state supreme courts to the High Court are not limited to matters in which a federal question arises and the Constitution empowers the Federal Parliament to make laws vesting state courts with federal jurisdiction. The High Court of Australia can review decisions of the Supreme Court of New South Wales in relation to the common law and equitable jurisdictions of the court as well. The High Court of Australia has exercised this power on a number of occasions.

Court buildings
The Supreme Court of New South Wales was proclaimed in Sydney on 17 May 1824.

Greenway Wing
The inaugural Supreme Court building that is located on the corner of King Street and Elizabeth Street in the Sydney central business district, adjacent to what is now known as Queen's Square, was built between 1820 and 1828. The two-storey rectangular Georgian building, with an additional loggia and cornice added in 1868, was designed by Francis Greenway in 1819 under the direction of Governor Macquarie. This building is now called the Greenway Wing. Greenway was dismissed before the building was completed and its design was so modified by his successor, Standish Lawrence Harris, that the building barely resembles his original design. The building was occupied by the Supreme Court from 1827. In the 1860s James Barnet designed additions for the building including an arcaded loggia along the King Street façade and the new classical cornice and parapet for the roof, giving the structure a Victorian Italianate appearance. The building was added to the New South Wales State Heritage Register on 2 April 1999.

Greenway was also responsible for designing the nearby Hyde Park Barracks, recorded on the UNESCO World Heritage List, and St James' Church, listed on the New South Wales State Heritage Register.

Old Registry Wing

The second structure to house the Court is located immediately the southwest of the Greenway Wing on the corner of Elizabeth Street and St James Road. Designed by Government Architect Alexander Dawson, it is one of only two Government buildings which were designed in the Victorian Free Gothic style, the other being the nearby Land Titles Office. Built between 1859 and 1862 and listed on the New South Wales State Heritage Register on 2 April 1999, the site is now known as the Old Registry Building. Barnet extended the Old Registry building in 1875 and 1886.

Banco Court wing
Designed by Walter Liberty Vernon and built between 1895 and 1896 in the Federation Free Classical style, the two-storey rich red brick Banco Court building was the third location of the Supreme Court. The Banco Wing is located to the east of the Old Registry building on St James Road and south of the Greenway Wing and makes little reference to the earlier buildings in either style or detailing. The interior of the courtroom has aesthetic significance and is said to be modelled on St Stephen's Court in Dublin. The court building is located in St James' Road, opposite the north-western edge of Hyde Park. Although in some sources it is referred to as "Banco Road Court", the origin of this alternative name is unknown - there is no Banco Road.

Law Courts Building
In 1976 the New South Wales Government completed construction of the Sydney Law Courts building, facing Queen's Square and bounded by Phillip Street and Macquarie Street. The 27-storey 33000 m2 building is owned by Law Courts Limited, a company whose shareholders comprise the Government of Australia and the Government of New South Wales. The building houses the High Court of Australia (when it sits in Sydney), the Federal Court of Australia and the NSW Supreme Court. The building was designed by architects McConnel Smith and Johnson and received an RAIA Merit Award in 1977 and stands as a strong, singular statement representative of its time and a product of the brutalist school of architecture. Refurbished in 2009 at a cost of A$214 million, a range of sustainability measures were implemented to extend the life and amenity of the building.

Judges
The current judges serving on the Court, and the dates of their appointment, are listed below.

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Rands

Rands is the pen name and alter ego of Michael Lopp (born 1970 in California), a blogger, software engineering manager, and webcomic author. Lopp originally used the name "Rands" as his chat room handle, and it is his persona when writing about software management. Rands is his wife's maiden name, though they were dating at the time he chose it. In 2010, he began working at Palantir after more than eight years at Apple. In June 2014 after 4 years he left Palantir for Pinterest. He became Vice President of Engineering at Slack in May 2016, then left Slack in 2019 to return to Apple as Senior Director of Engineering in 2020.

Web publications
Starting in 1996, Lopp wrote The BitSifter Digest, a website that published "the more interesting collections of bits which arrive at our desks" once a week, which increased in frequency and became daily by 2001. According to Steve Baldwin of disobey.com's Ghost Sites, it received recognition for its "pioneering use of borderless frames" and "topical, eclectic editorial content", and "was an important forerunner of the 'Blog.'" The BitSifter Digest stopped updating in 2001 and no longer exists at the domain name bitsifter.com.

Lopp co-created the webcomic Jerkcity (now BoneQuest), which started in 1998 and included a character named "Rands".

In April 2002, Lopp started a blog titled Rands in Repose. It explains aspects of technological or corporate culture, with particular focus on techniques for improving management skills. For example, one post explains the nuances of an interesting application, and another identifies and names workplace stereotypes. Posts contain a level of observational humor, such as direct explanations of management jargon.

Print publications
In June 2005, an essay by Lopp was published in the book The Best Software Writing I, edited by Joel Spolsky. The essay was the July 2004 post on Rands in Repose titled "What To Do When You're Screwed."

In June 2007, Lopp published a book titled Managing Humans: Biting and Humorous Tales of a Software Engineering Manager. A supporting website, Managing Humans, gives a brief pitch for the book.

In August 2010, Lopp published his second book titled Being Geek: A Software Developer's Career Handbook. A website, Being Geek, supports the publishing of the book and includes an original teaser video for the book.

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User:Hyad

Hello, this is my user page.

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User talk:BobbiZ

Please stop adding nonsense to Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you were just trying to experiment, then use the sandbox instead. Thank you. --Clawed 00:39, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Ninjas in Pyjamas

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Isn't the correct spelling Ninjas in Pyjamas? --User:212.105.39.47 20:40, 27 May 2004 (UTC)
 * I've been to their website and you are correct. I have requested a move. --Habap 19:06, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * You can boldly click the "Move" tab at the top of the article page. You don't have to wait for WP:RM.—Wahoofive (talk) 19:29, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Moved. --Habap 20:01, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Is the bds listed here the same one who was involved in the development of SoGamed precursor GeekBoys? --Habap 19:09, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Appears so - so I linked it. --Habap 19:06, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Vote for Deletion
This article survived a Vote for Deletion. The discussion can be found here. -Splash 01:45, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Merge
No reason given. I think it's a foolish idea by someone on a campaign to eliminate articles on gaming personalities and groups. --Habap 14:56, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

I see no reason to merge. Dread Lord C y b e r S k u l l ✎☠ 00:43, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Merge
Why should an article about a gaming personality in his own right be merged with his team? It's like merging Beckham into the ManU article. Silly suggestion which goes against the standard wikipedia format.

The addition of both history and a few notable former players
There are a number of players that really should be mentioned in the list of former notable players. These are players that helped define what would become a great climate for Swedish CS playing.

The following is not intended to be put on the page at all, but I will add something sized down in due time, preferrably after response in this Talk-page.

The material can be reviewed through use of the following link: http://www.esportsea.com/index.php?s=esports&d=content&id=1819 - It details the rise of NiP, from birth to death, to ressurection.

A few players I feel should be mentioned:

🇸🇪 Yohan "Hyb" Carlund - Held membership through the change from NiP to Eyeballers in 2000, then from Eyeballers to c9 in 2001, left for the clan MAFIA with MedioN when the latter was kicked from the clan and NiP subsequently broke up into the clans All* (Allstars) and MAFIA who became SoA.swe (Spirit of Amiga Sweden). Later returned to NiP when the clan was reunited in it's most famous and star-studded lineup ever: Potti, HeatoN, Hyb, XeqtR and MedioN.

Hyb should be mentioned because he has spent a considerable amount of time among the top players in the world in other teams too (Game OnLine, eSports United Sweden / team 9, etc).

🇳🇴 Jörgen/Joergen "XeqtR" Johannessen - After having beaten NiP at events in his current team SoA (Spirit of Amiga), XeqtR joined the NiP team during their existance as clan 9 / team 9 in 2001 and stayed with the team until just before CPL Dallas in 2001, when trouble arose and he had decided to participate in the event with the swedish team GoL (Game OnLine) after being kicked from NiP or decided to leave. After that event was won by NiP XeqtR returned to NiP and was part of the famous lineup mentioned above: Potti, HeatoN, Hyb, XeqtR and MedioN.

XeqtR played for Schroet Kommando Scandinavia and subsequently Schroet Kommando Sweden, aswell as Game OnLine, Nordic Division (that became eSports United Sweden / team 9). XeqtR also played for eoLithic, a clan poised to become the best in the world, and beat his old team in SK.swe twice with them.

🇸🇪 Erik "MedioN" Engström - Was a first generation Ninja in Pyjamas and after the brief leave for MAFIA / Spirit of Amiga Sweden he remained faithful to the Ninjas before effectively leaving the team when he announced that he was retiring from CS after CPL Dallas in 2001. MedioN was a ground pillar in the NiP team, having never been pushed aside to make room for anyone else. He helped create NiP and helped make it the world-famous team it became. He is an original Ninja and should be mentioned both in the "History..."-section aswell as the "Notable former players..."-section.

🇸🇪 Michael "Ahl" Korduner - Ahl joined NiP when they found theirselves in need for a new player after kicking XeqtR just before CPL Dallas 2001. He had been a member of Game OnLine and was on his way up. He joined the team together with MAFIA cleanleader Vesslan. With NiP he won the ICE CPL qualifiers and together they earned their spot in the 2001 CPL Dallas event - The lineup was now Potti, HeatoN, Hyb, MedioN, Ahl and Vesslan. Together they made what could easily be described as NiP's biggest accomplishment ever; winning the 2001 CPL Dallas event, with X3, the best american team and thought to be the world's best team placing second and GameOnLine placing third.

Ahl was a member of the team throughout the majority of the Schroet Kommando era and has been a part of many of the other nordic powerhouses such as eSports United Sweden / team 9. He also made the mirrored transition from Schroet Kommando to Ninjas in Pyjamas, effectively being part of the most notable changes in NiP history.

🇸🇪 Johan "Vesslan" Ryman - Former clanleader of MAFIA, Vesslan joined NiP together with Ahl for CPL Dallas in 2001, winning that event. Vesslan was later kicked after the return of XeqtR, but has been a part of Swedish CS longer than many others. He has, in his participation in teams such as eSports United Sweden / team 9 helped CS a great deal and is therefore notable.

SkogsRickard 14:41, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

 * I think this is too much detail for Wikipedia. If there were a eSports-wiki, it would be useful there, but it's more than would be of interest to the casual encyclopedia reader. So, limiting it to a listing of their names in former players is about all that would make sense. --Habap 15:23, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

3rd-4th place on RaidCall EMS One Summer 2013 Finals, 2013 = Major achievement?
I fail to see how a 3rd or 4th place can be considered a major achievement in a tournament which isn't even regarded as 'major' in GO perspective. And less so when the team has won 16 of the 18 LAN tournaments they've participated in. Would a player from NiP see this as a "major achievement"? Please discuss. Imonoz (talk) 15:17, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

 * As I said, regardless of the high standard of a team or a player, what counts for the purpose of an encyclopedia is what they/he really achieved : facts, not "facts compared to his usual standards". NiP made a podium at the RaidCall EMS One Summer 2013 Finals. It's true that it's not as great as they were used to, but regardless, a podium is a podium. A place less than 3rd-4th shouldn't be mentioned of course, because there is no way the team would have made it to 3rd place. But for this event in particular, they are tied with fnatic for 3rd place, and therefore I think this fact needs to be mentioned.
 * Concerning "Major achievement",
 * the trouble is what we actually consider a major achievement. RaidCall EMS One Summer 2013 Finals had most of the best teams in the world participating, took place in LAN, had several qualifiers and a group-stage before that. The prize purse was great, about the same size as ESEA invite Season 13 finals. The number of teams was more than the usual standards, around 35 teams from the qualifiers to the final tree. All these points make it a major tournament in my opinion. If someone thinks otherwise, please feel free to explain why.
 * Additionally to that, what I actually consider a "Major Achievement" in the CS scene, is to make a podium, which means 1st, 2nd or 3rd, in any "big" tournament. Domestic events are also part of this, as long as most of the top teams in the country are attending, and that the number of teams participating is decent.
 * I'd also like to add that if we remove RaidCall EMS One Summer 2013 Finals, then we have to remove several other tournaments in that list (1st SteelSeries GO 2012, 1st THOR Open 2012, 1st NorthCon 2012, 1st Svecup Västerås, 2013, 1st Swedish Championship, 2013...etc). And that's only the obvious ones, because they are domestic events. If we remove EMS, depending on what the arguments are, we could also remove others... Arjofocolovi (talk) 17:48, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

 * A lot of your points are invalid, as when you mentions we should go after facts, what is a fact in this matter of what we're discussing and what are you possibly basing those facts on? To me it sounds like you speak of the whole Wikipedia with your "neutral-wiki" looks (and of course if there's an written fact we should use it, but in this case there aren't any). As both of us are discussing this matter really proves there's no facts in this case us Wikipedians can rely on, well except for one, what the team NiP actually consider a "major achievement" and I'm quite positive, NiP wouldn't consider this tournament one of those.

 * You consider "making a podium" a major achievement, well, that's nice but hardly any fact. A major achievement is obviously the top notch of what you can achieve in this regard, 3rd-4th place isn't one of those. The prize purse which-is the most important-was good, however not the best (and they didn't even score the first place), hence why it isn't even a major tournament. Just look at the 1.6 "major achievements" CPL "x4" now that was a major tournament in 1.6, in GO it is CPH Games and Dreamhack which are the majors. And I agree, more GO tournaments should be removed from the list, because every achievement can't possibly be major. But I would rather suggest the title "major achievements" is renamed under the GO category to something more fitting (as just simply LAN-tournaments), then I would agree on having this tournament listed as well. [And just a tip for you, set x4 "~" after your post so we can see the identity behind it] Imonoz (talk) 20:07, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

 * First, you consider my points as invalid, but do you have arguments ? What makes you think RaidCall EMS One Summer 2013 Finals is not a major tournament ? What makes you think a podium is not a major achievement ? How can you justify that a third place at an international, top level tournament is not worth mentioning ?
 * You're saying the prize purse is the most important ? For the record, RaidCall EMS One Summer Finals is 4th among the best prize money in CS:GO (tied with the Spring edition) It can hardly be better in terms of prize purse...
 * You're saying they didn't score the first place ? Most of the teams only DREAM about just PLAYING in the final, or even a semi-final !!!
 * Second, I'm not really sure what you're talking about when you say we have no fact to rely on. We all know that NiP ended up third at RaidCall EMS One Summer Finals. That's a fact. Whether they want it to figure on their Wikipedia page or not, it's another matter, but it's not up to them ! A wikipedia page is not a page made for advertising a team. It's made to provide informations, not filtered informations.
 * Finally, I have no problems with renaming the category "LAN achievements" or "LAN tournaments".Arjofocolovi (talk) 04:21, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

 * What makes me think RaidCall EMS One Summer 2013 isn't a major tournament? Well, let us take a look at hltv.org - RaidCall EMS One Summer 2013 and now Dreamhack Winter. That's why, because the most reliable site when it comes to CSGO E-sport, doesn't even mention it (but of course, you're more reliable because you're answering for the whole Wikipedia "neutralism" right?), here's the fact by the way. And to follow this up, how can 3rd-4th place be a major achievement when the tournament itself wasn't even major? hmm. The prize purse is of course the most important, that's what makes the teams attend in the first place.

 * Obviously you didn't understand, I agree. Clarification: there's no facts saying this is either a major achievement or not for the wikipedians to take advantage of (they won a 3rd-4th place, yes, that's a fact but hardly what we're discussing here right?) therefore, I would like to know WHY it's more accurate for individual wikipedians to judge whether this was major or not? Than to just ask the team what they consider a major achievement for them? Really hope that will make you understand. A wikipedia page is about providing information, yes, however, where it's supposed to be provided. Do you even understand what we're discussing here? Because the whole point is, a 3rd-4th place in this tournament doesn't fit in where the information is provided (under major achievements).

 * Please folks, get into this discussion and let us finish it. Imonoz (talk) 16:00, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't get your comparison on HLTV, maybe you took the wrong links. The two links are pointing to the news of the result, so I'm not sure why you're saying HLTV doesn't event mention it. If you consider HLTV as a reliable source (as I do), there are about 16 news linked to RaidCall EMS One Summer 2013, and those are the only ones linked, because several times I've came across news not linked to the event, whatever. And that's only for the finals. If we take the news for the qualifiers and the group-stage as well, it makes about 28 news all together. Sure, you'll say that DreamHack Winter has more news than that, and it's true, but since it's the biggest CS:GO tournament there ever was so far, it's understandable. You can't expect all big tournaments to be as big as this.
 * I never said I was more reliable than anyone, there is no need to make assumptions about my personality ^^.
 * Well, YOU are saying that the tournament is not a major, and that's what we're discussing here, so saying it's not a major yourself doesn't change anything to the debate. And for the prize purse part, I know it's important, but saying it's the most important is a long shot. If for example you host a 1 million dollar tournament, but only unknown teams are attending (whatever the reason, there could be another big event taking place at the same time as yours, for example). Should the experts of the scene consider your tournament a major anyway ? Just because there is a 1 million prize purse ? It's a whole, several criteria make a tournament a major : number of teams, difficulty (qualifiers or not, group-stage or not...), prize purse, international event or not (Scandinavian events such as the Thor Open for example have a good level most of the time, but not having other European teams to compete is just easier for them to win it), level and fame of the teams attending...etc. Sure, prize purse is important, but it's not only about that.
 * When you talk about asking NiP themselves about their wikipedia page, I'm starting to think that you're not after an encyclopedia work after all. Take the Roger Federer page for example. Do you think that if Roger Federer asked to remove his poor result at Wimbledon 2013 (his worst result since 2003 actually), Wikipedia would have to do so, because if he thinks it's better, it's more accurate ??? People concerned about a page are the worst possible people to bring out unbiased information on the topic. We need people not involved (I suppose you and me are not involved in NiP), we need unbiased sources (HLTV.org is fine by me, even if there are others that are also fine).
 * Yes I understand what we're discussing here, thank you very much for your concern about my IQ. As I'm starting to being a bit tired of your condescending tone, I'll just stop the debate here.
 * I think we have two solutions :
 * 1. Ask HLTV.org or any unbiased source which tournaments they consider a major so far, after all they are the experts. If we have an official post to link, it's good enough (well, I think).
 * 2. Rename the category "LAN achievements" or "LAN results".
 * I vote for the second solution.
 * Arjofocolovi (talk) 17:23, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

 * Yes, I'm getting a bit tired of discussing otherwise endless discussions as well, that's when my tone shows sadly. I'll try to make this short. I posted those two links in regard of the information written there, my point was, in the information about Dreamhack they mention it was a major victory for NiP. They didn't mention any "major" about RaidCall EMS (as long as you don't find anywhere they mention it being major, it should not be regarded as one). The bigger prize purse the more and better teams will attend that's not a fact, just common sense. You didn't answer my question. Once again, who in your opinion should-with encyclopedia work-judge if this was major or not? It's not about being biased, it's about finding out if they consider this a "major achievement". Why don't you find anywhere it actually says "NiP won a major 3rd-4th place in RaidCall EMS" cause that would be the only accurate you would get from this.

 * Should I ask HLTV.org whether it was a major 3rd-4th place achievement or not!? You want it to stay man, you ask. My fact so far is that you haven't found anything saying it's major. I'll just wait a couple of days to see if someone else also wanna give his/her opinion about this before taking action. Imonoz (talk) 20:49, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

 * I'll take that as apologies, I guess. Ok, so you're thinking that if a writer doesn't mention "major" while writing a news, it automatically doesn't make the tournament major ? Fair enough. Let's see this news then : http://www.hltv.org/news/10377-nip-win-copenhagen-games-2013. Let's take Copenhagen Games out as well ? Please, let's not be ridiculous, the writer won't mention it every time he's writing a news about an event, even if the event is one of the biggest there was so far.
 * To answer your question, I think the people most apt to judge if a tournament is a major or not, are people following and analyzing the scene as a job, as HLTV does, or people who are part of the scene, as the players are. The exception are the organizers, because they'll have obviously biased opinions towards their own tournament, and so on. If we ask the players which tournaments they consider a major in CS:GO, I'm pretty sure I would find the followings : ESEA finals, Dreamhack Winter, Dreamhack Summer, Copenhagen Games, EMS finals spring and summer, ESWC. That's the least of the least to me. Others are arguably acceptable, but those can't be overlooked. I've made a little survey on the HLTV forum, we'll see what comes up.
 * Something that might interests you, I found a notification on the top right side of HLTV.org (it changes every time you visit the site or refresh the page, so it might take you a while to get it), which says : "Did you know HLTV.org has galleries from most major events?". If you click the link, you get the list of all galleries from events considered as major, you'll find EMS Summer in it. And if this isn't enough, if you consider that a specialized website is sending his staff to the event for several days to get pictures of the venue, the players, the trophies, etc..., I don't think you could argue that they value the event "minor" ^^.
 * I've put together two screen-shots as proof, just in case you don't find it or don't have the time to look it up : http://i.imgur.com/25KymPl.png and http://i.imgur.com/JlO1eaS.png

 * I asked Tgwri1s, who's in charge of LAN Coverage and Statistics (I found his position to be the most likely to answer me straight away). Here is his answer :
 * http://i.imgur.com/9wleDV4.png
 * You can see the members of the staff here to check his identity (Lurppis is missing): http://www.hltv.org/?pageid=123&ref=dropdown
 * His answer makes me definitely think that we need to replace "Major achievements" by "LAN results". Even if EMS is indeed a major, too many people seem to confuse "what represents an achievement" with "what represents an achievement AS NIP". I'm starting to wonder if they'll ever get any more "achievement" if they only place third at all their next events xD.

 * After your answer, I decided to ask two more members of the staff, Lurppis and MIRAA. I'm waiting for them to respond.
 * Arjofocolovi (talk) 09:23, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

That's my point, exactly, if the word "major" isn't mentioned anywhere about a certain tournament, it shouldn't be considered one. I don't have time to look up every news article about CPH Games but I'm sure the word major comes in there somewhere. You answered the wrong question though, my question was who you think of us Wikipedians should judge whether this was a major achievement or not. I fully agree we should ask someone more reliable as HLTV.org. Does that gallery even mention those are only pictures from major tournament, doesn't look like it. Staffs are sent to most international events, doesn't make it major though and when did I say RaidCall ESL was minor? That "Major achievements" have been around for a while, you probably need to start a discussion about changing the title of it before taking action to avoid edit wars. "What represents an achievement?" Weren't we talking about major achievements here? I'm glad you got in touch with Tgwri1s though, his statement is more worth than any of us two in this regard. And he clearly states this wasn't any major achievement for NiP. So let's see what Lurppis and MIRAA says. Imonoz (talk) 16:12, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

 * Ok, MIRAA doesn't seem to answer, so I'll just post the answer from Lurppis : http://i.imgur.com/jIQZtV8.png?1 http://i.imgur.com/IsTuPQy.png?1
 * It's kind of sad that MIRAA doesn't answer because it could have settled the issue, whatever the outcome... Now we have two people from HLTV.org who have different views concerning the majors in CS:GO...
 * No wikipedian can "decide" whether it's a major or not by himself (well unless he's working alone on the project, because no one would be available to agree or disagree with him anyway ^^, so in this case it's up to him to respect Wikipedia guidelines as much as possible while building a page), that's why we're having this discussion. A wikipedian can provide an information as long as it's backed-up by a source both reliable and available for consultation for anyone (as it's mentioned in the Wikipedia guidelines). I think anyone who knows a bit of the CS scene would agree that HLTV.org is a reliable source, and that it's available for consultation for anyone, so for that part we're clear.
 * If EMS is not minor it's a major dude, there are the major tournaments, the minor tournaments, and then the tournaments which are not international anyway. Unless you have more categories in your mind ?
 * When I talk about changing the category "Major achievements", I'm not talking about me. This category was doing just fine until you came up to claim that there was a problem in it. So two things :
 * 1. You want to remove EMS ? Fine, then you'll have to consider removing quite a lot of things as well in the list, as we know already. All this removal requires a proper justification (tip: "I think these are no major tournaments" won't do ^^).
 * 2. You want to rename the category to a name more fitting ? Fine, but if you think a discussion page is necessary for that, YOU will open it and ask for a discussion yourself ^^.
 * Yeah, we were indeed talking about "MAJOR achievements", thanks for the reminder, do I have to specify it in every freaking sentence ? Jesus...
 * I really like how you mention what you like in Tgwri1s's answer, but not what you don't like. Yes, he indeed states EMS wasn't a major achievement for NiP, but he also states that it was INDEED a major tournament. As you said, his statement is worth more than any of ours in this regard.
 * "galleries from most major events" means that the galleries can have some major events missing in the list, but not in any case that the events in the list are not major ! Or maybe now you want a page where it's written "only major tournaments" instead ? Man I'm seriously getting annoyed by your lack of honesty. When there is a proof concerning something you disagree with, you assume it must be wrong (!), and when there is no proof concerning something you agree with you just assume it exists somewhere(!!). Furthermore, when you get cornered by facts, you just keep on pushing in another direction, in the hopes to still be right about the previous matter... I'll just stop here, I think I made enough efforts proving that EMS are considered a major event in CS:GO. I don't know if I'll continue helping with the NiP English page, but one thing is for sure, you need to stop being so stubborn and open your mind to the possibility that you might be wrong :). Apart from that, have a nice day. Arjofocolovi (talk) 03:57, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

 * 1. Why don't you do it yourself? I made this discussion so I could finally get the EMS removed, if you think the list should be fixed, go ahead.
 * 2. "His answer makes me definitely think that we need to replace "Major achievements" by "LAN results" is what you said.
 * Once again you're confused.. The major tournament thing was brought up by us so we could settle the issue with EMS being a major achievement or not "the main discussion we're having", now that it's settled (by the reply you got from Tgwri1s) I don't have any use of knowing it was either a major tournament or not, Tgwri1s said - yes, lurppis said - no, since there no criteria for GO.
 * "galleries from most major events" And why in earth would that mean they wouldn't include some of the ones not being major (this have probably been up since the 1.6 era as well)? Just because they mention the word major here doesn't mean they would exclude the other ones. Oh, and here comes the personal attacks, way to go. What are you talking about? When have a ever disagreed with a proof here? I achieved what I wanted with this discussion, you didn't so you keep throwing shit out at me in anger, attacking me personally (luckily, there's not much weight to it for me to listen to). Proving EMS is considered a major tournament? Tgwri1s thought so and lurppis did not, is that your proof? You're contradicting yourself. Oh, I have no problems standing corrected, I just don't see where you ever corrected me on these matters? Imonoz (talk) 14:22, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

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Supreme Court of Queensland

The Supreme Court of Queensland is the highest court in the Australian State of Queensland. It was formerly the Brisbane Supreme Court, in the colony of Queensland.

The original jurisdiction of the Supreme Court allows its trial division to hear civil matters involving claims of more than $750,000; criminal matters involving serious offences (including murder and manslaughter); and matters arising under the Corporations Act 2001 (Cth) and cross-vesting legislation. A jury decides whether the defendant is guilty or not guilty. The division also hears all civil matters involving amounts of more than $750,000. A jury may decide these disputes.

The appellate jurisdiction of the Supreme Court allows its Court of Appeal to hear cases on appeal from the District Court, the trial division of the Supreme Court, and a number of other judicial tribunals in Queensland. Decisions made by the Supreme Court may be taken on appeal to the High Court of Australia in Canberra only by a grant of special leave of the High Court of Australia.

History
The Supreme Court of Queensland was founded on 7 August 1861, with the assent of the Supreme Court Constitution Amendment Act 1861 (Qld). Two subsequent pieces of legislation, including the Additional Judge Act 1862 (Qld) and the Supreme Court Act 1863 (Qld), were also necessary to establish the court's operating system.

Prior to separation of Queensland from New South Wales, the former naval officer, Captain John Clements Wickham, tried minor crimes in the Moreton Bay District. More serious cases were tried at the Supreme Court of New South Wales in Sydney. Two years before separation from New South Wales, the Moreton Bay Supreme Court Act 1857 (NSW) established the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court of New South Wales in the Moreton Bay District and Samuel Milford served as Judge. Milford resigned in February 1859, and was replaced by Alfred Lutwyche. Initially, the Brisbane Supreme Court served as the Supreme Court for all of Queensland. As the colony's population grew, two other courts were constructed. The first sittings of the Northern Supreme Court were held at Bowen in 1874 and the Bowen Court House was built in 1880 in a classical revival style. The Central Supreme Court was officially opened at Rockhampton in 1896. After the opening of the Central Supreme Court at Rockhampton, the Northern Supreme Court moved from Bowen to Townsville. Justice Virgil Power, who served as the first Judge of the Central Supreme Court, was the first Queensland-born Supreme Court Judge. As the population of Queensland has grown, additional courts have been built at locations such as Bundaberg, Mackay, Cairns, Longreach, Maryborough, Roma and Townsville.

Although the Brisbane Supreme Court initially served the needs of the entire colony of Queensland, it did not occupy a purpose-built building until 1879. Until then, the Brisbane Court sat at the Old Convict Barracks in Queen Street. These barracks were in disrepair and a number of improvements, including new sets of windows, had to be constructed to allow the continued sitting of the Court. Furthermore, on Sundays, the area of the barracks used by the Court was also used as a church. Although the Court's surroundings were not elaborate, Parliament did provide an annual grant towards the establishment of a Supreme Court Library from 1861 to 1879.

By 1870, despite minor building modifications to the convict barracks, it had become clear that a new building was required to house the Brisbane Supreme Court. A site on George Street was selected and the prominent colonial architect, Francis Drummond Greville Stanley, submitted plans for an elaborate neoclassical building which was two storeys tall. These original plans featured stone floors and other sophisticated details. They were later modified for financial reasons and in 1875 John Petrie successfully tendered to construct the building. On 6 March 1879, the new Supreme Court opened. The entrance on the North Quay frontage had been designed as the main entrance but this was soon superseded by the George Street entrance. In 1880, iron gates were also added to the building. In 1931, the Queensland Public Works Department provided funds for the renovation of the interior of the Brisbane Supreme Court.

On the night of 2 September 1968, the building that housed the Brisbane Supreme Court was damaged by arson. It was subsequently demolished, and in 1976, it was replaced with a building designed by Bligh Jessup Bretnall and was opened by Queensland Governor Sir James Ramsay on 3 September 1981.

In 1989, Justice Angelo Vasta was removed from the court by Queensland Governor on the request of the Parliament. This was the first time since federation that any state had used that method to remove a sitting judge from a Supreme Court. Vasta was found to be not "a fit and proper person to continue in office" after giving false evidence to an investigation related to the Fitzgerald Inquiry.

In 2008, a $600 million building program began to create a new Brisbane Supreme Court and District Court building, designed by Architectus Brisbane, led by Prof John Hockings. The building is known as the Queen Elizabeth II Courts of Law and was officially opened on Friday 3 August 2012 by Queensland Governor Penelope Wensley. It incorporates a public plaza and links to the existing Brisbane Magistrates Court building. The precinct occupies an entire city block between George, Roma, and Turbot streets.

Composition
In 1991 the Queensland Supreme Court was restructured into two divisions, the Trial Division and the Court of Appeal. The Court is headed by the Chief Justice of Queensland (currently Chief Justice Helen Bowskill) who sits in both the Trial Division and the Court of Appeal.

The Court of Appeal comprises the President (currently President Debra Mullins) and four Judges of Appeal, who sit only in the Court of Appeal. Proceedings in the Court of Appeal are usually heard by three judges. The Trial Division comprises a number of trial judges and is headed by the Senior Judge Administrator (currently Justice Ann Lyons). Proceedings in the Trial Division are heard by one trial judge. Most trial division judges also rotate through the Court of Appeal, usually for three week periods.

Appeals from:

 * The Trial Division is heard by the Court of Appeal; and
 * The Court of Appeal is heard by the High Court of Australia.

The Court of Appeal also hears appeals from the District Court of Queensland.

Judges of the Court are:

Noted former judges

 * The Honourable Paul de Jersey AC, who later became Chief Justice of Queensland and Governor of Queensland
 * Catherine Holmes AC, first female Chief Justice of Queensland.
 * Sir James Blair, who later became Chief Justice of Queensland, lieutenant-governor of Queensland, Knight Commander of the Order of St Michael and St George (KCMG)
 * Sir Walter Campbell, who later became Governor of Queensland
 * Sir James Cockle, the first Chief Justice of Queensland
 * Peter Connolly
 * Edward Archibald Douglas, son of Queensland Premier, John Douglas
 * Robert Johnstone Douglas, son of Queensland Premier, John Douglas
 * Sir Harry Gibbs, who later became Chief Justice of Australia
 * Sir Samuel Griffith, who later became the first Chief Justice of Australia
 * Alfred Lutwyche, first judge
 * Thomas McCawley
 * Sir Edward Williams
 * Sir William Webb, later appointed to the High Court of Australia and served as President of the International Military Tribunal for the Far East
 * Angelo Vasta, the first Superior Court judge removed from office through an act of Parliament

Facilities
The Supreme Court sits mainly in the Queen Elizabeth II Courts of Law in Brisbane, which also houses the District Court. The court began operating out of this facility on 27 August 2012, prior to which it was located in the Law Courts Complex.

The court also has judges permanently appointed to sit in Rockhampton, Townsville and Cairns, and regularly sits in other regional districts.

Attribution

 * [[File:CC BY icon-80x15.png]] This Wikipedia article incorporates text from "150 years of the Supreme Court of Queensland" by Dr. Shirleene Robinson published by the State of Queensland under CC-BY 3.0 AU licence (accessed on 11 November 2014, archived on 11 November 2014).

title: Supreme Court of Queensland