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   the gorgeous dresses, the champagne and oysters, the diamonds and motor-cars, dramatists were allowed to drag all these dazzling temptations before any silly housemaid in the gallery who was grumbling at her wages. But they were not allowed to warn her of the vulgarity and the nausea, the dreary deceptions. and the blasting diseases of that life. Mrs. Warren's Profession was not up to a sufficient standard of immorality; it was not spicy enough to pass the Censor. The acceptable and the accepted plays were those which made the fall of a woman fashionable and fascinating; for all the world as if the Censor's profession were the same as Mrs. Warren's profession.

Such was the angle of Shaw's energetic attack; and it is not to be denied that there was exaggeration in it, and what is so much worse, omission. The argument might easily be carried too far; it might end with a scene of screaming torture in the Inquisition as a corrective to the too amiable view of a clergyman in The Private Secretary. But the controversy is definitely worth recording, if only as an excellent example of the author's aggressive attitude and his love of turning the tables in debate. Moreover, though this point of view involves a potential overstate-


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 to appear to be a good player, he must imitate their example and expend large sums on rich furniture and keep many servants. In fact, the expression "to live the life of a flute-player" became proverbial as typifying luxury. Good players were paid as much as £200 for a concert. In the year 309 the Roman flute-players who performed at the sacrifices were deprived of the privilege of eating in the Temple of Jupiter Capitolinus. They accordingly struck and retired to Tivoli. They were beguiled back by a stratagem: having been all made drunk at a feast (but this is denied by some as impossible!), they were carried in waggons back to Rome and given three days' holiday in each year, and the right to eat in the Temple was restored to them. Professional flute-players wore a dress peculiar to themselves, generally of yellow or saffron, with green or blue slippers embroidered with silver, and had a bandage of leathern thongs, called ϕορβεία περιστόμιον, or Capistrum across the mouth, with a small hole for the breath to pass through. (Fig. 8.) Its object was to keep the lips and cheeks firm and prevent, undue distension, and also perhaps to hold up the instrument so as to leave the hands free to turn the rings on the flute. Competitions in flute-playing were frequent among the Greeks, and their endeavour was to produce the highest and loudest notes. Heliodorus

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   ment, it also involves an important truth. One of the best points urged in the course of it was this, that though vice is punished in conventional drama, the punishment is not really impressive, because it is not inevitable or even probable. It does not arise out of the evil act. Years afterwards Bernard Shaw urged this argument again in connection with his friend Mr. Granville Barker's play of Waste, in which the woman dies from an illegal operation. Bernard Shaw said, truly enough, that if she had died from poison or a pistol shot it would have left everyone unmoved, for pistols do not in their nature follow female unchastity. Illegal operations very often do. The punishment was one which might follow the crime, not only in that case, but in many cases. Here, I think, the whole argument might be sufficiently cleared up by saying that the objection to such things on the stage is a purely artistic objection. There is nothing wrong in talking about an illegal operation; there are plenty of occasions when it would be very wrong not to talk about it. But it may easily be just a shade too ugly for the shape of any work of art. There is nothing wrong about being sick; but if Bernard Shaw wrote


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   a play in which all the characters expressed their dislike of animal food by vomiting on the stage, I think we should be justified in saying that the thing was outside, not the laws of morality, but the framework of civilised literature. The instinctive movement of repulsion which everyone has when hearing of the operation in Waste is not an ethical repulsion at all. But it is an æsthetic repulsion, and a right one.

But I have only dwelt on this particular fighting phase because it leaves us facing the ultimate characteristics which I mentioned first. Bernard Shaw cares nothing for art; in comparison with morals, literally nothing. Bernard Shaw is a Puritan and his work is Puritan work. He has all the essentials of the old, virile and extinct Protestant type. In his work he is as ugly as a Puritan. He is as indecent as a Puritan. He is as full of gross words and sensual facts as a sermon of the seventeenth century. Up to this point of his life indeed hardly anyone would have dreamed of calling him a Puritan; he was called sometimes an anarchist, sometimes a buffoon, sometimes (by the more discerning stupid people) a prig. His attitude towards current problems was felt to be arresting and even indecent; I


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39. INITIALIZE PARAMETERS ⟨Propagate ion concentration in concrete 15⟩ $$\equiv$$ for (i = 1; i < num_cations; i++} { cation [i].moles [0] = cation [i].c[0] * litre [0];  cation [i].moles[1] = cation[i].c[1] * litre[1];  for (k = 2; k < NUM_SURFACES; k++) {    cation [i].c[k] =cation [i].c[1];    cation [i].moles[k] = cation [i].c[k] + litre [k];  }  }  for(j = 1 ; j < num_anions; j++) {    anion [j].moles [0] = anion [j].c[0]* litre [0];     anion [j].moles [1] = anion [i].c[1] * litre [1];    for (k = 2; k< NUM_SURFACES; k++) {      anion [j].c[k]=anion [j].c[1];      anion [j].moles[k] = anion [j].c[k] * litre[k];    }  }

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46. Report material parameters to stdout.

⟨Preprocessor definitions 11⟩ $$+\equiv$$ 47.  ⟨Print parameters to stdout 47⟩ $$\equiv$$ printf("\"THICKNESS\"\t%8.51f\t\" (m) uuuuuu\"\t\"%s\"\n", sample_length, GET_STAT(thickness)); printf("\"DIFFuuuuu\"\t%8. 11e\t\" (m^2/sec)\"\t\"%s\"\n", Do, GET_STAT(D)); printf("\"PERMUuuuuu\"\t%8.11e\t\"(m/sec) uu\"\t\"%s\"\n", 9.8 - 10+06 * ko, GET_STAT(ko)); printf("\"WCuuuuuuuu\"\t%8.51f\t\"Uuuuuuuuu\"\t\"%s\"\n", wc.value, GET_STAT(wc)); printf("\"HEADUuuuuu\"\t%8.51f\t\"(m)uuuuuu\"\t\"%s\"\n", GET_STAT(head)); printf("Sulfate Attack Parameters: \n"); printf("\"YOUNGSµ\"\t%8.11e\t\"(N/m^2}uu\"\t\"%s\"\n", Youngs.value, GET_STAT(Youngs));  printf("\"ROUGENESS\"\t%8.51f\t\"uuuuuuuuu\"\t\"%s\"\n", roughness.value, GET_STAT(roughness));  printf("\"GAMMAuuuuu\"\t%8.51f\t\" (J/m^2) uu\"\t\"%s\"\n", $$\gamma$$.value, GET_STAT($$\gamma$$); printf("\"BETAuuuuuu\"\t%8. 11e\t\"uuuuuuuuu\"\t\"%s\"\n", $$\beta$$.value, GET_STAT($$\beta$$)); printf("\"CEUuuuu\"\t%8.51f\t\" (Mol/m^3}\"\t\"%s\"\n", CE. value, GET_STAT(CE)); printf("\"POISSON\"\t%8.51f\t\"uuuuuuuuu\"\t\"%s\"\n", $$\nu$$ .value, GET STAT($$\nu$$ ));  printf("\n");  if (MaxDepth < sample_length} printf("\"DEPTHuuuuu\"\t%8.5lf\t\"(day)   \"\t\"%s\"\n", Max Depth, "USER"); if (rebar.depth < sample_length) printf("\"REBARuuuuu\"\t%8.51f\t\"(m)uuuuuu\"\t\"%s\"\n", rebar_depth, "USER"); printf("\"TIMEUuuuuu\"\tu%8.01f\t\"(day) uuuu\"\t\"%s\"\n", MaxDay.value, GET_STAT(Max Day)); if (crack_width.is_default = TRUE A neutral_axis_depth.is_default = TRUE) { crack_depth = 0.25 * sample_length;
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 (Æthop. ii.) describes a flute-player with eyes inflamed and starting" out of their sockets, and Lucian tells how one Harmonides killed himself by his efforts. The instruments themselves fetched very high prices, often £400 or £500, and Lucian says that Ismenias of Thebes gave over £1000 of our money for a flute at Corinth. He, however, was considered rather extravagant. Atheas, King of the Scythians, said he preferred the flute-playing of Ismenias to the braying of an ass—a doubtful form of compliment, possibly an allusion to the story of Midas. Plutarch relates how on one occasion this performer was engaged to play at a sacrifice. As no good omen appeared, the employer snatched the flute from Ismenias and began to play on it himself, whereupon a good omen at once appeared. "There," said he, "to play acceptably to the gods is their own gift," whereupon the witty Ismenias replied that the gods were so delighted with his playing they deferred the omen, so that they might hear him longer, "but were glad to get rid of your noise at any price."


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 containing that true appreciation of both merits and demerits, together with the sources of each, which forms the very criticism and help for which an inexperienced writer thirsts. Of each of these kinds of communication Currer Bell received her full share; and her warm heart, and true sense and high standard of what she aimed at, affixed to each its true value. Among other letters of hers, some to Mr. G. H. Lewes have been kindly placed by him at my service; and as I know Miss Brontë highly prized his letters of encouragement and advice, I shall give extracts from her replies, as their dates occur, because they will indicate the kind of criticism she valued, and also because throughout, in anger, as in agreement and harmony, they show her character, unblinded by any self-flattery, full of clear-sighted modesty as to what she really did well, and what she failed in, grateful for friendly interest, and only sore and irritable when the question of sex in authorship was, as she thought, roughly or unfairly treated. As to the rest, the letters speak for themselves, to those who know how to listen, far better than I can interpret their meaning into my poorer and weaker words. Mr. Lewes has politely sent me the following explanation of that letter of his, to which the succeeding one of Miss Brontë is a reply.

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 to write a review of it for 'Frazer's Magazine.' He would not consent to an unknown novel—for the papers had not yet declared themselves—receiving such importance, but thought it might make one on Recent Novels: English and French—which appeared in Frazer, December, 1847. Meanwhile I had written to Miss Brontë to tell her the delight with which her book filled me; and seem to have 'sermonized' her, to judge from her reply.

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"Dear Sir,—Your letter reached me yesterday; I beg to assure you, that I appreciate fully the intention with which it was written, and I thank you sincerely both for its cheering commendation and valuable advice.

"You warn me to beware of melodrama, and you exhort me to adhere to the real. When I first began to write, so impressed was I with the truth of the principles you advocate, that I determined to take Nature and Truth as my sole guides, and to follow in their very footprints; I restrained imagination, eschewed romance, repressed excitement; over-bright colouring, too, I avoided, and sought to produce something which should be soft, grave, and true.

"My work (a tale in one volume) being completed, I offered it to a publisher. He said it was original, faithful to nature, but he did not feel warranted in accepting it; such a work would not sell. I tried six publishers


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 in succession; they all told me it was deficient in 'startling incident' and 'thrilling excitement,' that it would never suit the circulating libraries, and, as it was on those libraries the success of works of fiction mainly depended, they could not undertake to publish what would be overlooked there.

Jane Eyre' was rather objected to at first, on the same grounds, but finally found acceptance.

"I mention this to you, not with a view of pleading exemption from censure, but in order to direct your attention to the root of certain literary evils. If, in your forthcoming article in 'Frazer,' you would bestow a few words of enlightenment on the public who support the circulating libraries, you might, with your powers, do some good.

"You advise me, too, not to stray far from the ground of experience, as I become weak when I enter the region of fiction; and you say, 'real experience is perennially interesting, and to all men.'

"I feel that this also is true; but, dear Sir, is not the real experience of each individual very limited? And, if a writer dwells upon that solely or principally, is he not in danger of repeating himself, and also of becoming an egotist? Then, too, imagination is a strong, restless faculty, which claims to be heard and exercised: are we to be quite deaf to her cry, and insensate to her struggles? When she shows us bright pictures, are we never to look at them, and try to reproduce them? And when she is eloquent, and speaks rapidly and urgently in our ear, are we not to write to her dictation?


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 "I shall anxiously search the next number of 'Frazer' for your opinions on these points.—Believe me, dear Sir, yours gratefully, "C. ."

But while gratified by appreciation as an author, she was cautious as to the person from whom she received it for much of the value of the praise depended on the sincerity and capability of the person rendering it. Accordingly, she applied to Mr. Williams (a gentleman connected with her publishers' firm) for information as to who and what Mr. Lewes was. Her reply, after she had learnt something of the character of her future critic, and while awaiting his criticism, must not be omitted. Besides the reference to him, it contains some amusing allusions to the perplexity which began to be excited respecting the "identity of the brothers Bell," and some notice of the conduct of another publisher towards her sister, which I refrain from characterising, because I understand that truth is considered a libel in speaking of such people.

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"Dear Sir,—I have received the 'Britannia' and the 'Sun,' but not the 'Spectator,' which I rather regret, as censure, though not pleasant, is often wholesome.


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 "Thank you for your information regarding Mr. Lewes. I am glad to hear that he is a clever and sincere man: such being the case, I can await his critical sentence with fortitude; even if it goes against me, I shall not murmur; ability and honesty have a right to condemn, where they think condemnation is deserved. From what you say, however, I trust rather to obtain at least a modified approval.

"Your account of the various surmises respecting the identity of the brothers Bell, amused me much: were the enigma solved, it would probably be found not worth the trouble of solution; but I will let it alone; it suits ourselves to remain quiet, and certainly injures no one else.

"The reviewer who noticed the little book of poems, in the 'Dublin Magazine,' conjectured that the soi-disant three personages were in reality but one, who, endowed with an unduly prominent organ of self-esteem, and consequently impressed with a somewhat weighty notion of his own merits, thought them too vast to be concentrated in a single individual, and accordingly divided himself into three, out of consideration, I suppose, for the nerves of the much-to-be-astounded public! This was an ingenious thought in the reviewer,—very original and striking, but not accurate. We are three.

"A prose work, by Ellis and Acton, will soon appear: it should have been out, indeed, long since; for the first proof-sheets were already in the press at the commencement of last August, before Currer Bell had placed the MS. of 'Jane Eyre' in your hands. Mr., however,


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The Creole version is not official. The wikipedia article says that it was popularised in 1980 but I cannot see when it was written. -- Beardo (talk) 01:45, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

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Parisi v. Davidson (405 U.S. 34)

Petitioner, a member of the armed forces, applied unsuccessfully for discharge as a conscientious objector. After he had exhausted all his administrative remedies, he filed a habeas corpus petition in Federal District Court, claiming that the Army's denial of his application was without basis in fact. Thereafter court-martial charges were brought against him, and the District Court ordered consideration of the petition deferred until final determination of the court-martial proceedings. The Court of Appeals affirmed.

Held: The District Court should not have stayed its hand in this case. Pp. 37-45.

 * (a) All alternative remedies have been exhausted by petitioner. Pp. 37-39.

 * (b) Since the military judicial system in its processing of the court-martial charge could not provide the discharge sought by petitioner with promptness and certainty, the District Court should proceed to determine the habeas corpus claim despite the pendency of the court-martial proceedings. Pp. 39-45.

435 F. 2d 299, reversed.

STEWART, J., delivered the opinion of the Court, in which BURGER, C.J., and BRENNAN, WHITE, MARSHALL, and BLACKMUN, JJ., joined. DOUGLAS, J., filed an opinion concurring in the result, post, p. 46. POWELL and REHNQUIST, JJ., took no part in the consideration or decision of the case.

Richard L. Goff argued the cause for petitioner. With him on the briefs were George A. Blackstone and Stephen V. Bomse.

William Terry Bray argued the cause for respondents. On the brief were Solicitor General Griswold, Assistant Attorney General Mardian, William Bradford Reynolds, Robert L. Keuch, and Robert A. Crandall.

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 As soon as we landed at Cape Town, and more so when we reached Johannesburg, we saw that we had overrated the Madeira cablegram. Mr Ritch who sent it was not responsible for this. He cabled only what he had heard about the measure being disallowed. As we have already observed, the Transvaal was then, that is to say in 1906, a Crown Colony. Crown Colonies are represented in England by agents one of whose duties it is to instruct the Secretary of State for the Colonies in all matters affecting Colonial interests. The Transvaal was then represented by Sir Richard Solomon, the noted lawyer of South Africa. Lord Elgin had disallowed the Black Act in consultation with him. Responsible government was to be conferred on the Transvaal on January 1, 1907. Lord Elgin therefore assured Sir Richard that if an identical measure was passed by the Transvaal legislature constituted after the grant of responsible government, it would not be refused the royal assent. But so long as the Transvaal was a Crown Colony, the Imperial Government would be held directly responsible for such class legislation, and as racial discrimination was a departure from the fundamental principles of the British Empire, he could not but advise His Majesty to disallow the measure in question.

If the measure was to be thus disallowed only in name and if the Transvaal Europeans could at the same time have their own way, Sir Richard Solomon had no reason to object to such an excellent arrangement. I have characterized this as crooked policy, but I believe it could be given a still harsher name with perfect justice. The Imperial Government is directly responsible for the legislation of Crown Colonies, and there is no place in its constitution for discrimination on the ground of race or

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 colour. So far so good. One can also understand that the Imperial Government could not all at once disallow measures passed by the legislatures of Colonies enjoying responsible government. But to hold private conferences with Colonial agents and in advance to promise the royal assent to legislation which is in open violation of the Imperial Constitution,—what is this if it is not a breach of faith and an injustice to those whose rights are thus pilfered? Really speaking Lord Elgin by his assurance encouraged the Transvaal Europeans in their anti-Indian activities. If he wanted to do this, he ought to have told the Indian deputation so in plain terms. As a matter of fact the Empire cannot escape responsibility even for the legislation of Colonies enjoying responsible government. Even such Colonies are bound to accept the fundamental principles of the British Constitution. As for example no such Colony can revive the institution of legalized slavery. If Lord Elgin disallowed the Black Act because it was an improper piece of legislation, and he could disallow it only on this ground, it was his clear duty privately to have warned Sir Richard Solomon that the Transvaal could not enact such an iniquitous law after the grant of responsible government, and if it had any intention of doing so, the Imperial Government would be constrained to reconsider the advisability of granting it any such superior status. Or he should have told Sir Richard that responsible government could be conferred only on the condition that the rights of the Indians were fully safeguarded. Instead of following such straightforward procedure, Lord Elgin made an outward show of friendliness to the Indians, while at the same time he really and secretly supported the Transvaal Government and encouraged it to pass once more the very law which he had vetoed himself. This is not the only or the first case of such tortuous policy followed by the British Empire. Even an indifferent student of its history will easily recall similar incidents.

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 the Imperial Government. Our disappointment in South Africa was as deep as had been our joy in Madeira. Yet the immediate consequence of this deception was that the community became even more enthusiastic than before. Every one said that we must never fear as our struggle was independent of any help from the Imperial Government. We must look for assistance only to our own selves and to that God in Whose name we had pledged ourselves to resistance. And even crooked policy would in time turn straight if only we were true to ourselves.

Responsible government was established in the Transvaal. The first measure passed by the new Parliament was the budget; the second was the Asiatic Registration Act, which was, except for an alteration in the date specified in one of its clauses, which lapse of time made necessary, an exact replica of the original Ordinance, and was rushed through all its stages at a single sitting on March 21, 1907. The disallowance of the Ordinance, therefore, was forgotten as if it was a dream. The Indians submitted memorials, etc. as usual, but who would listen to them? The Act was proclaimed to take effect from July 1, 1907 and Indians were called upon to apply for registration under it before July 31. The delay in enforcing the Act was due not to any desire to oblige the Indians, but to the exigencies of the case. Some time must elapse before the formal sanction of the Crown to the measure was signified, and the preparation of the forms set forth in schedules and the opening of permit offices at various centres would also take time. The delay therefore was intended solely for the Transvaal Government’s own convenience.

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 When the deputation was on its way to England, I happened to talk about the anti-Asiatic legislation in the Transvaal with an Englishman who had settled in South Africa, and when I informed him of the object of our visit to England, he exclaimed, ‘I see you are going to London in order to get rid of the dog’s collar.’ He thus compared the Transvaal permit to a dog’s collar, but I did not quite understand then, and cannot exactly tell while recording that incident even now, whether he thus intended to express his contempt for the Indians and joy at their humiliation, or whether he only meant to show his strong feeling in the matter. According to the golden rule that a person’s words must not be interpreted so as to do him an injustice, I take it that the gentleman used this graphic language only in order to evince his strong feeling. However that may be, the Transvaal Government on one side was preparing to throw the dog’s collar on the Indians’ necks, while on the other side the Indians were getting ready to put up a fight against the wicked policy of that Government and were concerting measures calculated to strengthen them in their resolution never to wear that collar. Of course, we were writing letters to friends in England as well as in India and trying thus to keep them in touch with the situation from day to day. But a Satyagraha struggle depends but little upon help from outside, and it is only internal remedies that are effective. The leaders’ time therefore was chiefly taken up with the endeavours to keep all the elements of the community up to the mark.

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 was established. The Association had resisted in the past, and must resist in the future, not one obnoxious law, but quite a host of them. Besides organizing resistance to obnoxious legislation, it had many other functions of a political and social nature to perform. Again all the members of the Association were not pledged to resist the Black Act through Satyagraha. At the same time we must take account of external risks to which the Association would be exposed in the event of its being identified with the Satyagraha struggle. What if the Transvaal Government declared the struggle to be seditious and all institutions carrying it on as illegal bodies? What would, in such a case, be the position of members who were not Satyagrahis? And what about the funds which were contributed at a time when Satyagraha was not so much as thought of? All these were weighty considerations. Lastly, the Satyagrahis were strongly of opinion that they not only must not entertain any ill-will against those who did not join the struggle whether for want of faith or weakness or any other reason whatever, but must maintain their present friendly relations with them unimpaired and even work side by side with them in all other movements except the Satyagraha struggle.

For all these reasons the community came to the conclusion that the Satyagraha struggle should not be carried on through any of the existing organizations. They might render all help in their power and resist the Black Act in every way open to them except that of Satyagraha, for which a new body named the ‘Passive Resistance Association’ was started by the Satyagrahis. The reader will see from this English name that the word Satyagraha had not yet been invented when this new Association came into being. Time fully justified the wisdom of constituting a fresh body for the work, and the Satyagraha movement might perhaps have suffered a setback if any of the existing organizations had been mixed up with it. Numerous members joined this new Association, and the community furnished it funds too with a lavish hand.

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 stops or languishes for want of funds. This does not mean that any temporal movement can go on without money, but it does mean that wherever it has good men and true at its helm, it is bound to attract to itself the requisite funds. On the other hand, I have also observed that a movement takes its downward course from the time that it is afflicted with a plethora of funds. When therefore a public institution is managed from the interest of investments, I dare not call it a sin but I do say that it is a highly improper procedure. The public should be the bank for all public institutions, which should not last a day longer than the public wish. An institution run with the interest of accumulated capital ceases to be amenable to public opinion and becomes autocratic and self-righteous. This is not the place to dwell upon the corruption of many a social and religious institution managed with permanent funds. The phenomenon is so common that he who runs may read it.

But we must return to our narrative. Lawyers and English-educated persons do not by any means enjoy a monopoly of hair-splitting. I saw that even the uneducated Indians in South Africa were quite capable of drawing minute distinctions and making fine arguments. Some argued that the pledge taken in the Old Empire Theatre had been fulfilled as the old Ordinance was disallowed, and those who had weakened since then took shelter under this plea. The argument was not quite devoid of force, yet it could not impress those whose resistance was not to the law as a law but to the vicious principle underlying it. All the same it was found necessary to re-administer the oath of resistance for safety’s sake just to reinforce the awakening of the community and to probe he extent of its weakness if any. Meetings therefore were held in every place, where the situation was explained, the oath was administered afresh and the spirit of the community was found to be as high as ever.

Meanwhile the fateful month of July was gradually drawing to an end, and on the last day of that month we had resolved to call a mass meeting of the Indians at

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 Pretoria, the capital of the Transvaal. Delegates from other places besides were also invited to attend. The meeting was held in the open on the grounds of Pretoria mosque. After the inauguration of Satyagraha our meetings were so largely attended that no building could accommodate them. The entire Indian population in the Transvaal did not exceed 13,000 souls, of whom over 10,000 lived in Johannesburg and Pretoria. An attendance at public meetings of two thousand from an aggregate population of ten thousand would be considered large and satisfactory in any part of the world. A movement of mass Satyagraha is impossible on any other condition. Where the struggle is wholly dependent upon internal strength, it cannot go on at all without mass discipline. The workers therefore did not consider such large attendance as anything surprising. From the very first they had decided to hold public meetings only in the open so that expense was nearly avoided and none had to go back from the place of meeting disappointed for want of accommodation. All these meetings, again, were mostly very quiet. The audiences heard everything attentively. If those who were far away from the platform could not hear a speaker, they would ask him to speak louder. The reader scarcely needs to be told that there were no chairs at these meetings. Every one sat on the ground. There was a very small platform designed to accommodate the chairman, the speaker and a couple of friends, and a small table and a few chairs or stools were placed upon it.

Mr Yusuf Ismail Mian, acting chairman of the British Indian Association, presided over this meeting. As the time for issuing permits under the Black Act was drawing nearer, the Indians were naturally anxious in spite of all their enthusiasm; but no less anxious than they were General Botha and General Smuts, all the might of the Transvaal Government at their back notwithstanding. No one would like to bend a whole community to his will by sheer force. General Botha therefore had sent Mr William Hosken to this meeting to admonish us. The reader has

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 already made this gentleman’s acquaintance in a previous chapter. The meeting received him warmly, and he said, “You know I am your friend. I need scarcely say that my feelings in this matter are with you. If at all I could, I would gladly make your opponents accede to your demands. But you hardly need to be told about the general hostility of the Transvaal Europeans to your community. I am here at General Botha’s instance. He has asked me to be the bearer of his message to this meeting. He entertains a feeling of respect for you and understands your sentiments, but he says, ‘he is helpless. All the Europeans in the Transvaal unanimously ask for such law, and he himself is convinced of the necessity for it. The Indians know fully well how powerful is the Transvaal Government. The law has again been endorsed by the Imperial Government. The Indians have done all they could and have acquitted themselves like men. But now that their opposition has failed, and the law has been passed, the community must prove their loyalty and love of peace by submitting to it. General Smuts will carefully look into any representations you make suggesting minor changes in the regulations framed in virtue of the Registration Act.’ My own advice to you also is, that you should comply with the General’s message. I know that the Transvaal Government is firm regarding this law. To resist it will be to dash your head against a wall. I wish that your community may not be ruined in fruitless opposition or invite needless suffering on their heads.” I translated the speech to the meeting word by word, and further put them on their guard on my own behalf. Mr Hosken retired amidst cheers.

It was now time for the Indian speakers to address the meeting. One of these speakers was the late Ahmad Muhammad Kachhalia, the hero, not of this chapter alone, but of the present volume. I knew him only as a client and as an interpreter. He had never before now taken a leading part in public work. He had a working knowledge of English, which he had so far improved by practice that when he took his friends to English lawyers, he acted as

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 interpreter himself. But interpretership was not a profession with him; he worked as interpreter only as a friend. He at first used to hawk piecegoods, and then to trade on a small scale in partnership with his brother. He was a Surti Meman and enjoyed great reputation in his class. His knowledge of Gujarati was also limited but in this too he had greatly advanced, being schooled by experience. He had such sharp intelligence that he very easily grasped anything that was put to him. He solved legal difficulties with such facility as often astonished me. He would not hesitate to argue law even with lawyers, and very often his arguments were worthy of consideration for them.

I have never, whether in South Africa or in India, come across a man who could surpass Mr Kachhalia in courage and steadfastness. He sacrificed his all for the community’s sake. He was always a man of his word. He was a strict orthodox Musalman, being one of the trustees of the Surti Meman mosque. But at the same time he looked upon Hindus and Musalmans with an equal eye. I do not remember that he ever fanatically or unproperly sided with Musalmans as against Hindus. Perfectly fearless and impartial as he was, he never hesitated to point out their faults to Hindus as well as Musalmans whenever he found it necessary. His simplicity and humility were worthy of imitation. My close contact with him for years leads me to hold firmly to the opinion that a community can rarely boast of having in their midst a man of the stamp of Mr Kachhalia.

Mr Kachhalia was one of the speakers at the meeting. He made a very short speech. He said, “Every Indian knows what the Black Act is and what it implies. I have heard Mr Hosken attentively, and so have you. His speech has only confirmed me in my resolution. We know how powerful the Transvaal Government is. But it cannot do anything more than enact such a law. It will cast us into prison, confiscate our property, deport us or hang us. All this we will bear cheerfully, but we cannot simply put up with this law.” I observed that while saying this,

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 Mr Kachhalia was being deeply moved. His face reddened, the veins on his neck and on the head were swollen with the blood coursing rapidly through them, his body was shaking, and moving the fingers of his right hand upon his throat, he thundered forth: ‘I swear in the name of God that I will be hanged but I will not submit to this law, and I hope that every one present will do likewise.’ So saying he took his seat. As he moved his fingers on his throat, some of those seated on the platform smiled, and I remember that I joined them in their smile. I was rather doubtful whether Kachhalia Sheth would be able fully to translate his brave words into action. I am ashamed of this doubt now, and every time I think of it. Kachhalia always remained to the fore among the many Indians who literally observed their pledge in that great struggle without a moment’s flinching.

The meeting cheered him as he spoke. Others then knew him very much better than I did, as many of them were personally familiar with this obscure hero. They knew that Kachhalia only says what he means and means what he says. There were other spirited speeches too. But I have singled out Kachhalia Sheth’s for mention, as it proved to be a prophecy of his subsequent career. Not everyone of the spirited speakers stood the final test. This great man died in 1918, four years after the struggle was over, serving the community till the last.

I will close this chapter with a reminiscence of Kachhalia Sheth which may not find a place elsewhere. The reader later on will hear of Tolstoy Farm where lived a number of Satyagrahi families. The Sheth sent his ten or twelve year old son Ali to be educated there as an example to others and in order that the boy might be rought up to a life of simplicity and service. It was due to the example he thus set that other Musalmans likewise sent their boys to the Farm. Ali was a modest, bright, truthful and straightforward boy. God took him unto himself before his father. If it had been given to him to live, I doubt not he would have turned out to be the worthy son of an excellent father.

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 The first of July 1907 arrived, and saw the opening of permit offices. The community had decided openly to picket each office, that is to say, to post volunteers on the roads leading thereto, and these volunteers were to warn weak-kneed Indians against the trap laid for them there. Volunteers were provided with badges and expressly instructed not to be impolite to any Indian taking out a permit. They must ask him his name, but if he refused to give it they must not on any account be violent or rude to him. To every Indian going to the permit office, they were to hand a printed paper detailing the injuries which submission to the Black Act would involve, and explain what was written in it. They must behave to the police too with due respect. If the police abused or thrashed them, they must suffer peacefully; if the ill-treatment by the police was insufferable they should leave the place. If the police arrested them, they should gladly surrender themselves. If some such incident occurred in Johannesburg, it should be brought to my notice. At other places the local secretaries were to be informed, and asked for further instructions. Each party of pickets had a captain whose orders must be obeyed by the rest.

This was the community’s first experience of that kind. All who were above the age of twelve were taken as pickets, so that there were many young men from 12 to 18 years of age enrolled as such. But not one was taken who was unknown to the local workers. Over and above all these precautions, people were informed by announcements at every public meeting and otherwise, that if any one desirous of taking out a permit was afraid of the pickets, he could ask the workers to detail a volunteer to

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 escort him to the permit office and back. Some did avail themselves of this offer.

The volunteers in every place worked with boundless enthusiasm, and were ever alert and wide awake in the performance of their duties. Generally speaking there was not much molestation by the police. When sometimes there was such molestation, the volunteers quietly put up with it. They brought to bear upon their work quite an amount of humour, in which the police too sometimes joined. They devised various diversions in order to beguile their time. They were once arrested on a charge of obstructing the public traffic. As non-co-operation did not form a part of the Satyagraha struggle there, defence could be made in courts, though as a rule advocates for defence were not paid from public funds. The volunteers were declared innocent and acquitted by the court, which still further exalted their spirit.

Although the Indians who wanted to take out permits were thus saved from rudeness or violence from the volunteers in public, I must admit, that there arose a body of men in connection with the movement, who without becoming volunteers privately threatened those who would take out permits with violence or injury in other ways. This was a most painful development, and strong measures were adopted in order to stamp it out as soon as it was found out. The holding out of threats nearly ceased in consequence, though it was not quite rooted out. The threats left an impression behind them, and as I could see, thus far injured the cause. Those who were threatened instantly sought Government protection and got it. Poison was thus instilled into the community, and those who were weak already grew weaker still. The poison thus grew more virulent, as the weak are always apt to be revengeful.

These threats created but little impression; but the force of public opinion on the one hand, and on the other, the fear of one’s name being known to the community through the presence of volunteers acted as powerful deterrents. I do not know a single Indian who held it

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 proper to submit to the Black Act. Those who submitted did so out of an inability to suffer hardships or pecuniary losses, and were therefore ashamed of themselves. This sense of shame, as well as a fear of loss in trade following upon the displeasure of big Indian merchants, pressed heavily upon them, and some leading Indians found a way out of this twofold difficulty. They arranged with the permit office, that an officer should meet them in a private house after nine or ten o’clock at night and give them permits. They thought that in this case no one would know about their submission to the law for some time at least and that as they were leaders, others would follow suit, thus lightening their burden of shame. It did not matter if they were found out afterwards.

But the volunteers were so vigilant, that the community was kept informed of what happened every moment. There would be some even in the permit office who might give such information to the Satyagrahis. Others again, though weak themselves, would be unable to tolerate the idea of leaders thus disgracing themselves, and would inform the Satyagrahis from an idea that they too could face the music if others were firm. In this way the community once received information that certain men were going to take out permits in a certain shop on a certain night. The community therefore first tried to dissuade these men. The shop too was picketed. But human weakness cannot be long suppressed. Some leading men took permits in this way at ten or eleven o’clock at night, and there was a rift in the lute. The very next day their names were published by the community. But a sense of shame has its limits. Considerations of self-interest drive shame away and mislead men out of the strait and narrow path. By and by something like five hundred men took out permits. For some time permits were issued in private houses, but as the sense of shame wore out, some went publicly to the Asiatic office and obtained certificates of registration.

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Talk:Irish Love-Song

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The poem can be found here - https://archive.org/details/irishlovesongs00tynagoog/page/n116/mode/2up -- Beardo (talk) 03:05, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

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Correct all links to Author:Charles Dickens to point to Author:Charles John Huffam Dickens

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This involves both links in works as well as links within headers and Index: pages. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:54, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

 * @EncycloPetey: The redirect was changed into a dab in 2015, so all links added since could conceivably be legitimately pointed at the dab (to the degree links to an author dab are legitimate). Is the plan here to keep Author:Charles Dickens as a dab, or to convert it back to a redirect? Are we comfortable assuming nearly all extant inbound links should go to Author:Charles John Huffam Dickens instead?I can do the bot run, and modulo som edge cases it should be a fairly straightforward job, but I'd like to be sure I understand it and don't make a mess. Xover (talk) 11:42, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You're looking at the wrong history. The history currently there is a result of the recent move of Author:Dickens to Author:Charles Dickens, for which the previous redirect had to be deleted.  The history of this location prior to yesterday can be found in the deleted history of the redirect.  It was there until yesterday, when the surname-based disambiguation pages were deleted and/or moved.  This was one of the moves, and is the reason for the bot request. --EncycloPetey (talk) 17:55, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, ok, I think I got it now. Author:Charles Dickens was a redirect to Author:Charles John Huffam Dickens until yesterday. Now it's been converted to a dab, so all the pages that linked to Author:Charles John Huffam Dickens through the old redirect must now be updated to link directly to Author:Charles John Huffam Dickens. Right?Provided I didn't get confused again along the way there I'll try to get the replacement run started later today or tomorrow. Xover (talk) 18:31, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @EncycloPetey: ✅. Modulo some cases that can't be bot'ed etc. Xover (talk) 21:46, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Empty Category:The Army and Navy Hymnal

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This is a work-based category, but I don't want to tag it for speedy deletion before it's emptied. —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 06:45, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

 * @CalendulaAsteraceae Done. Mpaa (talk) 10:05, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @CalendulaAsteraceae a second thought. Should they be categorised somewhere else? Mpaa (talk) 10:13, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Mpaa: Not as a group, no. Maybe individual hymns could be categorized more specifically, but I'm happy to leave that to other users. The Army and Navy Hymnal is in Category:Hymnals and Category:Christian hymns. —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 19:56, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Update pages for Index:Emily Dickinson Poems - second series (1891).djvu

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This index was missing 4x pages (they are unnumbered, so it is understandable that it was missed). Could I request someone to do the following: Thanks! —Beleg Tâl (talk) 18:42, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
 * 1) Move all pages forward 4 pages, starting with Page:Emily Dickinson Poems - second series (1891).djvu/6 ⇒ Page:Emily Dickinson Poems - second series (1891).djvu/10
 * 2) If possible, update the <pages /> tag on all subpages of Poems: Second Series (Dickinson) to point to the moved pages

 * @Beleg Tâl done Mpaa (talk) 21:29, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

How and What to Grow in a Kitchen Garden of One Acre (10th Ed) request to be proofread
Index:How and what to grow in a kitchen garden of one acre (IA howwhattogrowin00darl).pdf
 * done. Mpaa (talk) 21:12, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
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anachronism detector

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Meanwhile at English Wiktionary: Correcting an 1883 'done' that the OCR had seen as the 1903-or-later 'clone', I got to thinking about https://merriam-webster.com/time-traveler and how something similar might be done using the combined corpuses of Wiktionary and Wikisource. A positive will either indicate a new terminus post quem or a misread. But is it feasible? Arlo Barnes (talk) 09:23, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

 * Yes, but not as a bot request. You could make a Toolforge tool that analyzed database dumps for enWS and Wiktionary and produced lists of first attestation in enWP vs. first documented attestation on Wiktionary. Xover (talk) 08:20, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Please upgrade the page status of all not-proofread pages in Index:How and what to grow in a kitchen garden of one acre (IA howwhattogrowin00darl).pdf
The images are currently being added, while the remaining pages can be marked proofread. Or, if it is easier to wait until the images are in, feel free. Many thanks, TeysaKarlov (talk) 20:05, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
 * done. Mpaa (talk) 21:12, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
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replace Template:RunningHeader/5 uses with Template:RunningHeader
RunningHeader supports more parameters now, so RunningHeader/5 is redundant and I'd like to retire it, but at the moment there are 1700-odd pages where it is still in use: https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=26924795 —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 03:38, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

 * @CalendulaAsteraceae: ✅ Xover (talk) 16:51, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you! —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 17:12, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
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wst-running-header to wst-rh in index CSS
In preparation for fully changing the RunningHeader class from  to , index CSS that uses the old class should be updated. Pages to update: https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?search=insource%3A%2F%5C.wst-running-header%2F+contentmodel%3Asanitized-css&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns106=1 —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 00:16, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

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Remove all calls of Template:Interwiki-info

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Please remove all calls of the template, which is going to be deleted per https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Proposed_deletions#Template:Interwiki-info. Thanks, --Jan Kameníček (talk) 21:39, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

 * Xover (talk) 10:12, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅. @Jan.Kamenicek: The template should be good to be deleted now (and good riddance). Xover (talk) 11:18, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Remove "by" from use of override_author in headers
I would like to make Module:Header insert a "by" before the text of override_author, like it does for literally every other attribution parameter, but if I do that right now, there will be over 17,500 pages that say "by by". To prevent this, I would like for  in these pages to be replaced with. —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 18:14, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

 * Xover (talk) 11:30, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Probably done, but the search index hasn't caught up yet. Xover (talk) 22:49, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Ah, no, there are still some left. Xover (talk) 14:31, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅. @CalendulaAsteraceae: Should be good now. Xover (talk) 15:31, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you! —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 15:32, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Don't forget works like Dido and Aeneas?; "by libretto by" will not be nice. Author should be changed to "Nahum Tate (libretto); Henry Purcell (score)? M-le-mot-dit (talk) 14:33, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @M-le-mot-dit: Thank you for bringing that up! Once this replacement is done, I'll do a broader search and either make another bot request or handle the results manually. —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 15:11, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * There will be other problems, and that's why "by" was deliberately left out before: so that there was flexibility for unusual cases. --EncycloPetey (talk) 16:04, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't love the whole override setup, but given that this is what we have to work with, I think it would be better for the  parameters to have uniform behavior. It might make sense to add some sort of extra-special override/custom attribution field, to handle cases like Dido and Aeneas where the standard attribution fields aren't cutting it. In any case, I'm not going to make any changes to template functionality until I have a better sense of how things stand. —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 20:47, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * How many distinct roles do we estimate there are, that we want to support in the header? The header isn't supposed to contain all conceivable bibliographic information, so the roles relevant for giving is quite a bit more limited than the infinite set.The citation templates over on enWP have struggled with this same problem and have landed on one (too restrictive, imo) set. But their approach does scale to quite a few more roles before it becomes unvieldy. The gist is author1-last, author1-first, author1-link, author2-last, author2-first, author2-link, etc.; and the last+first params can be dropped in favour of author1, author2, etc.. enWP supports variants for editor1, and a few others, but we could fairly easily expand the scheme to librettist1, composer1, illustrator1, etc. (oh, and the parameter name without "1" is an alias for "foo1" so you can drop it when there's only one of the class).You can write generic code to handle all this, once you've taken on the cost of having the base complexity, so it scales quite well technically. The key is to take infinite variability away from users and force them to provide slightly more structured input (not too much or it'll be too tedious). And since it's impractical to mass-migrate all existing texts to this scheme, for the foreseeable future we'll have the old messy params as a fallback for the truly pathological cases. Xover (talk) 07:13, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I like the way you're thinking here! In addition to author, editor, translator and illustrator, roles I've come across which we could consider whether to support are:
 * adapted by (seems like a good idea)
 * I bind unto myself to-day
 * Stories of King Arthur and His Knights
 * arguably The Romance of Tristan and Iseult (although I would not argue that)
 * approved by, drafted by, issued by, prepared by, ratified by (dubious about implementing these)
 * The 1776 Report
 * Constitution of the People's Republic of China (1954)
 * Constitution of the People's Republic of China (1975)
 * Constitution of the Republic of South Africa, 1993 and subpages
 * Instrument of Government, 1653
 * Japanese Instrument of Surrender
 * Magna Carta
 * Materials in Support of H. Res. 24
 * attributed to, uncertain authorship, incorrect attribution, traditional (seems like a good idea but IDK how)
 * Come ye Blessed
 * Fair Susanna
 * I bind unto myself to-day
 * Magnificat (Luke)
 * The Passionate Pilgrim
 * Proclamation of June 12, 1775
 * Sonnets to Sundry Notes of Music
 * St. Anne
 * Waxies' Dargle
 * The Wild Rover
 * The Works of the Rev. Jonathan Swift/Volume 12/From Unknown Author to Queen Caroline
 * composed by, libretto by, lyrics by, melody by, music by, score by, set to music by (seems like a good idea with some streamlining)
 * Angela Mia
 * Dido and Aeneas
 * Dido and Aeneas (1689)
 * Fair Susanna
 * Golden Gate (song)
 * Heart o' Mine
 * I'm Sitting on Top of the World
 * It All Depends on You
 * Keep Smiling at Trouble
 * Kimi ga Yo
 * Lonesome (song)
 * Ma, He's Making Eyes at Me
 * The Marines' Hymn
 * The Army and Navy Hymnal/Secular/From the Halls of Montezuma
 * The Marines' Hymn (1929)
 * The Marines' Hymn (1942)
 * Messiah (oratorio)
 * Old Timer (song)
 * Oregon, My Oregon
 * The Reproaches
 * Steamboat Bill
 * There's a Rainbow 'Round My Shoulder
 * When Love Comes Stealing
 * Where Do We Go From Here?
 * You're in the Army Now
 * directed by (seems like a good idea)
 * Mighty Like a Moose
 * Private Snafu: Pay Day
 * supervised by (dubious about implementing this)
 * Kimi ga Yo
 * —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 23:36, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

 * Another place where the change creates issue is crediting someone as author who isn't strictly speaking the author. For example here, where Bédier is the assembler and unifier of the text, but neither he nor his translator considered him to be the author because the poetry was written in the middle ages.  An analogous situation is that of modern film adaptations of Shakespeare where a person is credited as "screenwriter" but who did not wrote the text, since the text is Shakespeare's.  And you can't credit Shakespeare as the screenwriter either because Shakespeare was not involved in the screenplay.  In the best resolutions of the issue, the screenplay is described as "adapted from Shakespeare by so-and-so". By eliminating the flexibility we had, how will we deal with situations where our text isn't simply "by" someone?  --EncycloPetey (talk) 16:43, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree that it's good to have a way to credit adapters and other contributors who aren't exactly authors. (Stories of King Arthur and His Knights, for example, could do with a better format for such credit.)
 * That said, when it comes to The Romance of Tristan and Iseult, I think it's being a bit precious to say Bédier isn't the author. In the preface, he explains how he adapted, combined and rendered into Modern French a great deal of sources, including Thomas of Britain's poem, Béroul's poem, and the Prose Tristan (vol 3, IA). The text of Bédier's work is distinct from all of his sources. You said on my talk page that "Wyatt is not considered the author of Beowulf, and Tolkien is not considered the author of Sir Gawain and the Green Knight." The difference is that Wyatt and Tolkien were editing specific works, not combining many disparate sources and translating them into modern language besides. —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 22:41, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks everyone for the helpful discussion! I've decided against changing the behavior of, but I still think these replacements were helpful and will make future work easier. —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 01:05, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
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Update headers that use override_author for editors
In the following pages, please replace  with  : insource:/override_author*=*[Eedited*by+/ ] —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 02:19, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

 * Looks like this has been done? Thanks! —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 21:27, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
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Please upgrade all not-proofread pages in Index:Moni the goat boy (IA monigoatboy00spyr 1).pdf to proofread

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Still have to request the images be added, but could the remaining pages please be upgraded. (P.S. @Xover, this was what was meant above). Thanks, TeysaKarlov (talk) 00:40, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

 * @TeysaKarlov: Ah, thanks. I suspected as much but it wasn't clear from the request.@Mpaa: I don't have any code ready to do this, so could you take a look? Xover (talk) 07:30, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Update author links to Author:Thomas Smith (1817-1906)

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I moved Author:Thomas Smith to Author:Thomas Smith (1817-1906) for disambiguation. However, there are hundreds of links to this page in the headers of the pages under Ante-Nicene Fathers/Volume VIII/Pseudo-Clementine Literature. Would it be possible to have a bot update these pages? Thanks! —Beleg Âlt BT (talk) 18:07, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Quick bulk page creation for Index:The Finding of Wineland the Good.djvu

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All of the pages between Page:The Finding of Wineland the Good.djvu/119 and Page:The Finding of Wineland the Good.djvu/224, that do not already exist, are identical: they should contain only  (see Page:The Finding of Wineland the Good.djvu/116). Can these pages be created by a bot? —Beleg Âlt BT (talk) 18:13, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * done. Mpaa (talk) 12:00, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Moni the Goat-Boy

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Bot request for Index:Moni the goat boy (IA monigoatboy00spyr 1).pdf by Johanna Spyri.

 * @86.60: It is not clear what it is you're requesting here.Also, I strongly recommend registering a user account. They're completely free, and last I checked you didn't even have to give an email address (or any other info people often don't want to give to websites). With a user account it's much easier to collaborate with others, you can use the proofreading system to set page status yourself directly, and then your IP address won't show up in revision histories etc. (edits will be attributed to your user name, which can be as anonymous or public as you choose to make it). Xover (talk) 10:08, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

SELF-HELP

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Bot request for proofread Index:Self-help with illustrations of conduct and perseverance (IA selfhelpwithillu00smiliala).pdf by Samuel Smiles.

Migrate uses of Template:Pn and Template:Pn2 to their full forms

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I want to create a new template for marking paragraph numbers and adding anchors. The short form "pn" would be convenient for this (full form would be something like Template:paranum), but currently it's occupied by a redirect to PSMNotes. I think my proposed template would be a better fit since it isn't really necessary for PSMNotes to have a shortcut given its nature (a fixed title format), so I'd like to have all uses of this and its companion Pn2 migrated to their full forms, and the short forms deleted. Arcorann (talk) 08:11, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

 * @Arcorann replacement done. Mpaa (talk) 22:37, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Please upgrade the page status of not-proofread pages in Index:Self-help with illustrations of conduct and perseverance (IA selfhelpwithillu00smiliala).pdf

 * This section was archived on a request by: Mpaa (talk) 20:59, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello again,

More work from an unregistered user (who placed another request above). Please upgrade the pages to proofread. Also, if able, please delete the transcluded pages "Self-Help/Preface" and "Self-Help/Introduction". While standardizing, the text on these pages has been moved to the front matter, so that the text remains in printed page order.

Thanks, TeysaKarlov (talk) 22:38, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Removal of many uses of Template:Old style and its shortcut

 * This section was archived on a request by: Mpaa (talk) 18:41, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

During the deletion discussion several months ago it was noted that uses of Old style (and its redirects o s and oldstyle) are often solely because the original font used old style numerals, which is not a recommended use of the template. With this in mind I've been thinking about removing some of the more pointless ones. For now, the following should be safe for removal (all in standard prose, and no usage near small caps, except maybe on contents pages): Arcorann (talk) 12:16, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Index:Evgenii Zamyatin - We (Zilboorg translation).pdf
 * Index:The Protestant ethic and the spirit of capitalism.djvu
 * Index:Jay Fox - Amalgamation (1923).pdf
 * Index:From Yauco to Las Marias.djvu
 * Index:Through Bolshevik Russia - Snowden - 1920.djvu
 * Index:A discourse upon the origin and foundation of the inequality among mankind (IA discourseuponori00rous).pdf
 * Index:Anne of the Island (1920).djvu
 * Index:W. E. B. Du Bois - The Gift of Black Folk.pdf

Move subpages of The English and Scottish Popular Ballads within containing volumes

 * This section was archived on a request by: —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 15:36, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

 * 1) 1–28:   →
 * 2) 29–53:   →
 * 3) 54–82:   →
 * 4) 84–113:   →
 * 5) 114–155:   →
 * 6) 156–188:   →
 * 7) 189–225:   →
 * 8) 226–265:   →
 * 9) 266–305:   →

Also, in the headers, please change  to. Thanks! —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 04:01, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

 * @CalendulaAsteraceae: I'm going to go ahead and assume you mean the last leg of the destination to be  not  . Xover (talk) 07:50, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @CalendulaAsteraceae: Also, what happened to /83? Xover (talk) 07:55, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I included /83 in Part 6 per the toc. But perhaps "/Ballad X" rather than "/Chapter X" on closer reflection? Xover (talk) 08:48, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Nope. Looking at the scans this work definitely treats them as chapters discussing the ballad, and that only incidentally include the actual text of the ballad. "/Chapter X" it is. Xover (talk) 10:43, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok, all the pages have been moved, next/prev links updated, and titles set to auto parents. Now we just need to figure out how to deal with all the incoming links to the redirects. I'll wait until the double-redirect bot runs over them because that'll get rid of some links so we can see what remains and how to deal with them. Xover (talk) 12:26, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you! (Indeed, what happened to /83 is a typo.) —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 15:56, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Why are we doing this? The work is continuous; splitting the sections by volume is confusing and counterintuitive (IMO) —Beleg Tâl (talk) 18:33, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * NVM, looks like you're taking on this project, go ahead and make it your own :) —Beleg Tâl (talk) 18:40, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Beleg Tâl: Apologies if I jumped the gun on this one. From what I observed I assumed, as you say, that CA was at least somewhat taking on this project, and the moves appeared in line with practice (well, I question why we're using "Part" instead of "Volume" here, as the volumes appear to be labelled as just volume, but…), including having actual transcluded content in the middle layer of page structure (i.e. /Part 1). If the change in structure is actually controversial I'll be happy to help implement whatever the final consensus on that is. Xover (talk) 08:57, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I was concerned as I had originally uploaded the scans and had a different idea of how to go about it ... but after having a look at what CA is doing, I am convinced they have it well in hand and I'm happy to let them run with it :) —Beleg Tâl (talk) 14:47, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Glad to hear it! I chose to use "Part" instead of "Volume" because the scans (as opposed to the filenames) say "Part". —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 15:20, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

 * I don't think the Child's Ballads/XXX (e.g. Child's Ballads/13) redirects can safely be deleted. Some of them were used for a long time on Wikipedia, so all those old revisions are now broken and lead to redlinks.  See this 2008 revision for an example.  SnowFire (talk) 19:36, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I think this got lost in the shuffle - do you have an opinion on the above? (Since you were the one that deleted these.)  There are Child's Ballads/XXX links still in use on Wikipedia right now.  I suppose I could go around and start cleaning them up, but even if that's done, I'd argue the old redirects should probably be kept as harmless + making old page revisions work.  SnowFire (talk) 21:36, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @Xover: I would also like the  redirects to be reinstated, please.
 * 1–28:  →
 * 29–53:  →
 * 54–82:  →
 * 83–113:  →
 * 114–155:  →
 * 156–188:  →
 * 189–225:  →
 * 226–265:  →
 * 266–305:  →
 * —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 22:35, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @CalendulaAsteraceae, @SnowFire: I'm sorry, this does seem to have got lost in the shuffle despite SnowFire's gracious ping above. My bad, and apologies all `round; and thank you both for trying to remind me despite my being really lame about it!On the redirects, I deleted them because we generally do not use subpage redirects like this (mainly because they are a massive pain to maintain). I am not seeing the exceptional circumstances that would merit an exception to the rule in this case. What am I missing? Xover (talk) 07:36, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Xover: I'm just really not looking forward to going through w:Category:Child Ballads to fix all the now-broken links to Wikisource, and I'm more concerned than I otherwise would be about broken links elsewhere on the web since those pages have been around for a while. If you think that's still not worth the maintenance burden, then, y'know, fair enough, gotta draw the line somewhere and I don't have a strong opinion on exactly where that line should be. —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 14:09, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @CalendulaAsteraceae: It should be easier to bot-update the links in (a percentage of) ~238 enWP articles than to create 305 redirects, much less maintain them indefinitely. Just sayin'… :) Xover (talk) 15:35, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * That's fair! —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 15:36, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Move pages of Index:Fables for the Frivolous.djvu following file replacement

 * This section was archived on a request by: --Xover (talk) 16:34, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

I have replaced the above file due to the original being missing part of the front matter and containing duplicate pages. Please:

Move /7 to /8, upto /10 to /11 inclusive

Move /14 to 13/, upto /22 to /21 inclusive

Delete /24, /25, /26

Delete /155, /156 and /157, which are no longer part of the file

Thanks, Chrisguise (talk) 11:49, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

 * @Chrisguise: Is this request still current? (I see the Index: has been fully validated after the request was made) Xover (talk) 15:37, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The changes requested were made, which enabled validation, etc. Thanks. Chrisguise (talk) 16:06, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. In that case I'll tag this request as ready for archiving. Xover (talk) 16:34, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Delete Page:Adventures of Susan Hopley (Volume 1).pdf/193 and Page:Adventures of Susan Hopley (Volume 1).pdf/194

 * This section was archived on a request by: --Xover (talk) 07:37, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Please delete pages /193 and /194 from Index:Adventures of Susan Hopley (Volume 1).pdf, as the corresponding pages have been deleted from the scan file. Thanks, Chrisguise (talk) 13:30, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

 * @Chrisguise: This sort of thing isn't a bot request, but an admin request (not all bot operators have admin rights). And the easiest way to deal with it is to slap sdelete on each of the pages to be deleted. If there's more than a handful, feel free to list them on WS:AN so they can be cut&paste'd into the mass delete form. In any case: ✅ Xover (talk) 15:04, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Remove use of override_year in Once a Week (magazine)

 * This section was archived on a request by: —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 02:22, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

In the following pages, please replace  with  : insource:/override_year[*=[ ]*[0-9]*\-[0-9]*. \|/ ] —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 19:58, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

 * Or for a less expensive page list, Special:PrefixIndex/Once a Week (magazine) —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 17:06, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @CalendulaAsteraceae before moving on, what has changed compared to this? Why are we undoing it? Mpaa (talk) 08:34, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Mpaa: I assume the change was made because the header template had less capacity to deal with non-numeric years, since it was still using header/year rather than the Lua module. (@Levana Taylor, do you remember why you wanted this change?) In any case, I'm hoping to phase out the parameter, and Module:Header/year can certainly handle years in that format now. —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 22:19, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Levana Taylor: Another question is: should these be using a date range? The year range on the volumes is more descriptive of what they collect—a subtitle rather than a bibliographic year of publication—but the actual physical volumes were published in one specific year. Let's call it "the 1862 edition of the short story first published in Once a Week no. nn in 1861", or whatever. Xover (talk) 07:48, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

 * @CalendulaAsteraceae done. Mpaa (talk) 17:57, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Mpaa: Category:Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls Xover (talk) 18:51, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Deletion request of a damaged duplicate

 * This section was archived on a request by: Mpaa (talk) 21:11, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

The pages of this file Index:Jesuit education, its history and principles viewed in the light of modern educational problems.djvu contain pencil notations which makes the scan illegible. I uploaded another identical publication Index:Jesuit Education.djvu, which makes this unnecessary.Thank you in advance.  — ineuw (talk) 14:26, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Xover (talk) 07:45, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Please convert all curly quotes to straight quotes in Index:Early western travels, 1748-1846 (Vol 1 1904).djvu

 * This section was archived on a request by: Mpaa (talk) 21:35, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, TeysaKarlov (talk) 21:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @TeysaKarlov done. Mpaa (talk) 21:35, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Update DNB00 contributors

 * This section was archived on a request by: Mpaa (talk) 18:15, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

I would like to update some uses of. Specifically, I would like this replacement: —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 04:33, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Pages with DNB00 and Category:Pages with override contributor: https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=28249187
 * →
 * Done. Mpaa (talk) 18:15, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks! —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 02:35, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Update AmCyc and EB9 contributors
I made AmCyc and EB9 use Module:Header directly, which allows for a lot more flexibility, but also means that contributors show up as both contributors and authors. To fix this, I would like a replacement run on the pages that use either template (https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=28336737):  →. —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 21:28, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

 * This section was archived on a request by: Implemented templates with module for other reasons, incidentally resolving this issue. —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 14:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

The Family Kitchen Gardener (1856) request to be proofread
Index:The family kitchen gardener - containing plain and accurate descriptions of all the different species and varieties of culinary vegetables (IA familykitchengar56buis).pdf

 * This section was archived on a request by: TeysaKarlov (talk) 21:39, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

 * == How We Think request to be proofread ==
 * Index:How we think (IA howwethink00deweiala).pdf 82.167.150.69 11:59, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

== Upgrade page status of not-proofread pages in The Family Kitchen Gardener ==

The continued work of an unregistered user, could these pages please be upgraded to proofread (cover aside). Feel free to also mark the above post regarding this Index as resolved, once complete. Thanks, TeysaKarlov (talk) 03:07, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

 * Done. Mpaa (talk) 17:06, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

 * @Mpaa Thanks for this (and all the other times), TeysaKarlov (talk) 21:39, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

 * This section was archived on a request by: TeysaKarlov (talk) 21:39, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Replace illustrator template with illustrator header param
Now that header has an illustrator parameter, I'd like to see it used more consistently. To that end, I would like the following replacement made in pages using illustrator: https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=28546076
 * →

—CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 03:03, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

 * @CalendulaAsteraceae: ✅. illustrator is now entirely unused and can be proposed for deletion at WS:PD. Xover (talk) 09:46, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Great, thank you! —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 19:42, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * This section was archived on a request by: —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 19:42, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Please upgrade the page status of not-proofread pages in Index:How we think (IA howwethink00deweiala).pdf

 * This section was archived on a request by: Mpaa (talk) 20:06, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

As above, the continued work of an unregistered user. No images, so should be a simple request in that sense. If you are determined to eradicate all unnecessary uses of the old style template, then feel free to also, but maybe that is being handled separately (across all Wikisource) if that is actually happening (I rarely know with Scriptorium discussions what the end result is). Thanks, TeysaKarlov (talk) 20:36, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * DoMpaa (talk) 20:06, 6 July 2024 (UTC)ne.

title: Wikisource:Bot requests/Archives/2024


text:
Arkansas Educational Television Commission v. Forbes

Petitioner Arkansas Educational Television Commission (AETC), a state-owned public television broadcaster, sponsored a debate between the major party candidates for the 1992 election in Arkansas' Third Congressional District. When AETC denied the request of respondent Forbes, an independent candidate with little popular support, for permission to participate in the debate, Forbes filed this suit, claiming, inter alia, that he was entitled to participate under the First Amendment. The jury made express findings that Forbes' exclusion had not been influenced by political pressure or disagreement with his views. The District Court entered judgment for AETC. The Eighth Circuit reversed, holding that the debate was a public forum to which all ballot-qualified candidates had a presumptive right of access. Applying strict scrutiny, the court determined that AETC's assessment of Forbes' "political viability" was neither a compelling nor a narrowly tailored reason for excluding him.

Held: AETC's exclusion of Forbes from the debate was consistent with the First Amendment. Pp. 672–683.

(a) Unlike most other public television programs, candidate debates are subject to scrutiny under this Court's public forum doctrine. Having first arisen in the context of streets and parks, the doctrine should not be extended in a mechanical way to the different context of television broadcasting. Broad rights of access for outside speakers would be antithetical, as a general rule, to the editorial discretion that broadcasters must exercise to fulfill their journalistic purpose and statutory obligations. For two reasons, however, candidate debates present the narrow exception to the rule. First, unlike AETC's other broadcasts, the debate was by design a forum for candidates' political speech. Consistent with the long tradition of such debates, AETC's implicit representation was that the views expressed were those of the candidates, not its own. The debate's very purpose was to allow the expression of those views with minimal intrusion by the broadcaster. Second, candidate debates are of exceptional significance in the electoral process. Deliberation on candidates' positions and qualifications is integral to our system of government, and electoral speech may have its most profound and [p667] widespread impact when it is disseminated through televised debates. Thus, the special characteristics of candidate debates support the conclusion that the AETC debate was a forum of some type. The question of what type must be answered by reference to this Court's public forum precedents. Pp. 672–676.

(b) For the Court's purposes, it will suffice to employ the categories of speech fora already established in the case law. The Court has identified three types of fora: the traditional public forum, the public forum created by government designation, and the nonpublic forum. Cornelius v. ''NAACP Legal Defense & Ed. Fund, Inc.'', 473 U.S. 788, 802. Traditional public fora are defined by the objective characteristics of the property, such as whether, "by long tradition or by government fiat," the property has been "devoted to assembly and debate." ''Perry Ed. Assn. v. Perry Local Educators' Assn.'', 460 U.S. 37, 45. The government can exclude a speaker from a traditional public forum only when the exclusion is necessary to serve a compelling state interest and is narrowly drawn to achieve that interest. Cornelius, supra, at 800. Designated public fora are created by purposeful governmental action opening a nontraditional public forum for expressive use by the general public or by a particular class of speakers. E.g., ''International Soc. for Krishna Consciousness, Inc. v. Lee, 505 U.S. 672, 678 (ISKCON)''. If the government excludes a speaker who falls within the class to which such a forum is made generally available, its action is subject to strict scrutiny. E.g., Cornelius, supra, at 802. Property that is not a traditional public forum or a designated public forum is either a nonpublic forum or not a forum at all. ISKCON, supra, at 678–679. Access to a nonpublic forum can be restricted if the restrictions are reasonable and are not an effort to suppress expression merely because public officials oppose the speaker's views. Cornelius, supra, at 800. P. 677–678.

(c) The AETC debate was a nonpublic forum. The parties agree that it was not a traditional public forum, and it was not a designated public forum under this Court's precedents. Those cases demonstrate, inter alia, that the government does not create a designated public forum when it does no more than reserve eligibility for access to a forum to a particular class of speakers, whose members must then, as individuals, "obtain permission," Cornelius, 473 U.S., at 804, to use it. Contrary to the Eighth Circuit's assertion, AETC did not make its debate generally available to candidates for the congressional seat at issue. Instead, it reserved eligibility for participation to candidates for that seat (as opposed to some other seat), and then made candidate-by-candidate determinations as to which of the eligible candidates would participate in the debate. Such "selective access," unsupported by evidence of a purposeful designation for public use, does not create a public [p668] forum, but indicates that the debate was a nonpublic forum. Id., at 805. Pp. 678–682.

(d) AETC's decision to exclude Forbes was a reasonable, viewpoint-neutral exercise of journalistic discretion consistent with the First Amendment. The record demonstrates beyond dispute that Forbes was excluded not because of his viewpoint, but because he had not generated appreciable public interest. There is no serious argument that AETC did not act in good faith in this case. Pp. 682–683.

93 F.3d 497, reversed.

, J., delivered the opinion of the Court, in which, C.J., and , and , JJ., joined. , J., filed a dissenting opinion, in which and, JJ., joined, post, p. 683.

Richard D. Marks argued the cause for petitioner. With him on the briefs was Alden L. Atkins.

Deputy Solicitor General Wallace argued the cause for the Federal Communications Commission et al. as amici curiae urging reversal. With him on the briefs were Acting Solicitor General Dellinger, Jonathan E. Nuechterlein, William E. Kennard, Christopher J Wright, Daniel M. Armstrong, and C. Grey Pash, Jr.

Kelly Shackelford argued the cause for respondent. With him on the briefs was John W. Whitehead.