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Talk:Burmese language/Archive 1

Unicode font
Does anyone have a link for a Burmese Unicode font? --Abdull 14:37, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * See my:Wikipedia:Font for some suggestions. --Angr/undefined 15:13, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Pronunciation of "kanesema"
''I would very much like to know the correct pronunciation of the Burmese term for second washing: kanesema. I have been studying about gem mining.''

Copied from Reference_desk - please reply there if you have an answer. ¦ Reisio 01:37, 2005 August 12 (UTC)

Chinese-derived words in Burmese
Some Burmese words seem to come from different Chinese dialects. Could it be possible that the some of the following Burmese words originally come from Chinese dialects, or are these just coincidental?
 * 紅包; red envelope - anhpao (Hokkien) > an pao (Burmese)
 * 包子; buns - baozi (Mandarin) > paosee (Burmese)
 * 哥哥 (or 阿哥); elder brother - gege or a ko (Hokkien) > ko ko or a ko (Burmese)
 * 妹妹 (or 阿妹); elder sister - jiejie (Mandarin) or a ji (Hokkien) > ji ji or a ji (Burmese)
 * 姐姐; younger sister - meimei (Mandarin) > ma ma or a ma (Burmese)
 * 阿爸; dad - a ba (Mandarin), a pei (Hokkien) > a phei (Burmese)
 * The first two, an pao and pauk si probably come directly from Chinese. As for "elder sister" and "younger sister", they are a ma (a-kyi  is sometimes used, but typically among Burmese Chinese) and nyi ma  respectively.  Elder brother in Burmese is ko ko  or a-ko, and probably have the same cognates in Chinese. Father (various forms that all contain either 'hpa', 'pa', 'ba', 'hpei') and mother (various forms that all contain either 'ma', 'mei', or 'mi') are of Sino-Tibetan origin. --Hintha 04:17, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

194.60.106.5 12:54, 2 November 2006 (UTC) Can someone tell me whether a Burmese person's name has any meanings? The names I've come across seem to follow the Chinese, Korean and Vietnamese patterns. Are there any explanations for this? Thank you.
 * A Burmese person's name does have meaning, although Burmese names do not follow typical Sinitic patterns (surname + given name), because Burmese people have no surname. For example, Aung San's name literally means "successful and innovative/extraordinary". Although some parents pass on portions of their names (or relatives' names) to their children, this practise is atypical. --Hintha 03:09, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

194.60.106.5 11:03, 3 November 2006 (UTC) Thank you. You seem to know a lot about the Burmese and Chinese languages. Are there a lot of similarities between the vocabularies and grammer of these languages, and is there an ancestor language between them?
 * The Chinese dialects and Burmese (along with Tibetan and countless other languages in the Sino-Tibetan language family) are believed to have come from a common ancestral language. Many basic cognates in Chinese are similar to those in Burmese (e.g. you ('ni' in Mandarin, 'nin' in Burmese), I ('ngo' in Cantonese, 'nga' in Burmese), five ('ng' in Cantonese, 'nga' in Burmese). Because Burmese also borrows from Indian languages, and local minority languages, many words are dissimilar to words in Chinese. Grammar-wise, Burmese is "subject-object-verb" (e.g. "I you hurt" instead of "I hurt you"), whereas Chinese dialects follow the subject-verb-object pattern. Also, Burmese has many four-syllable phrases (which consist of rhyming schemes), such as "ga-bya ga-ya" (quickly), or "ka-thaw ga-myaw" (hurriedly), like Chinese languages do. --Hintha 19:17, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

194.60.106.5 13:44, 6 November 2006 (UTC) Thank you. Do you have any idea about the number or percentage of cognates Burmese and Chinese have in common?

 * I highly doubt that "paosee" and "baozi" go back to Proto-Sino-Tibetan. This is clearly a borrowing straight from Chinese. The numbers and pronouns, however, are more likely to be inherited from the proto-language. --SameerKhan 19:00, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Term for tofu
Any Burmese speakers or Burmese language experts out there? I've just listed the Burmese name for tofu as "pebya," but I'm not sure if this is the right romanization. Please check the tofu article and see if it's correct. Thanks! Badagnani 22:43, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Empty boxes
In the red-colored box at the right of the page, three characters (presumably Burmese ones) in parentheses in the heading show up as empty boxes. I have downloaded 4 or 5 Burmese fonts yet I still get the empty boxes. I have a PC with Windows XP. Can someone provide me some assistance so that those characters show up? I'm guessing if I am having this problem, others are having this problem as well. Thank you, Badagnani 08:36, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Let me guess, you're using Internet Explorer, right? It'll work fine if you switch to another browser, like Mozilla Firefox, Opera, or Netscape. --Angr/undefined 10:40, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Yes, Internet Explorer. Too bad Microsoft (which thinks it is the best) turns out to be the worst of them all... I don't have any other browser so I'll try to download one of them. Thank you for your help. Badagnani 20:13, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Spelling of name
We have a few different spellings of the name of the language in Burmese. Not being an expert, I don't know which is correct. Can anyone shed some light on these? --Gareth Hughes 00:07, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
 * 1)  bama sa
 * 2) [[Image:Bscript bamasa.png]] bamā cā
 * 3)  bami ci

 * Hmm. The corresponding my: article is at my:ဗမသ, which AFAIK should be pronounced . It's not in my Burmese-German dictionary, though, which gives, although this might be an adverb meaning "in Burmese" (cf. Latin Anglice). The one phrase of Burmese I learned from my grandmother (who lived in Burma for several years) included the word (phrase?)  ; my dictionary says  means "spoken language". It also gives   as meaning "text, something written, letter", so I deduce  means "spoken Burmese" while  means "written Burmese". The generic word for "language" seems to be  , but I don't know whether anyone ever speaks of . Shall I e-mail Justin Watkins at SOAS and ask? --Angr (t·c) 07:13, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
 * "bamā cā" is the Pali romanisation spelling. The 's' sounds in Burmese are spelt as 'c' in Pali. "Bama sa" is the English spelling based on the pronounciation, but doesn't provide the tone marks. I don't know what "bami ci" is; I think it's incorrect. "bama sa" refers to the script and written language, while "bama zaga" refers to the spoken language.--16 January 2006

I love you
how to use "I love you" in burmese?

I love you in Mynmar

I = NGAR /KO Love = CHIT TAL You = MIN KO

Direct Translation: NGAR/KO CHIT TAL MIN KO /

Myanmar Translation: MIN KO NGAR/KO CHIT TAL /

Upside down character in Burmese script?
http://www.languagehat.com/archives/000323.php
 * ''He spent much of his time assigned

to the Army's Morale Services Division, at 165 Broadway, which dealt in information and propaganda. There he received his hardest job of the war—a rush request to convert typewriters to twenty-one different languages of Asia and the South Pacific. Many of the languages he had never heard of before.... Morale Services found native speakers and scholars to help with the languages. Martin obtained the type and did the soldering and the keyboards. The implications of the work and its difficulty brought him to near collapse, but he completed it with only one mistake: on the Burmese typewriter he put a letter on upside down. Years later, after he had discovered his error, he told the language professor he had worked with that he would fix that letter on the professor's Burmese typewriter. The professor said not to bother; in the intervening years, as a result of typewriters copied from Martin's original, that upside-down letter had been accepted in Burma as proper typewriter style.''
 * —Hobart 17:34, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Scouting in Burma
Can someone please render "Be Prepared", the Scout Motto, into Burmese? Thanks! Chris 04:57, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Can you speak anything else]
I'm sorry to be a bother but my roommate in the hospital here doesn't speak English and I know she speaks Burmese. I want to ask her if she speaks anything else (particularly Mandarin Chinese, seems most likely) because I can speak Mandarin and a few others well enough to communicate... can you help me phrase the question "Do you speak any other languages?" Thank you... kaiti-sicle 05:51, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Hello, a simple way to ask if she speaks chinese, would be to say "Da-yo Zaga Pyo Det La"? Da-yo is the Burmese word for Chinese. --Jim  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.109.117.237 (talk) 09:49, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Burmese
Hi. I want to know is is hard for a East European guy to learn Burmese language? I want to learn some rudimentary phraseology, and looks verry hard :(( Arthasfleo 08:50, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

IPA accurate?
In the following quote, [r] is used to transcribe the second  in Amarapura. Is this correct? [r] doesn't occur in the table above listing phonemes.

 * The approximant /ɹ/ is rare, and is only used in place names that have preserved Sanskrit or Pali pronunciations (e.g. Amarapura, which is pronounced [àməɹa̰pùra̰]) and in English-derived words.

—Felix the Cassowary 01:01, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sure they're both . —Angr If you've written a quality article... 06:50, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Forced display
I forced all the Burmese characters to display correctly with the new lang-my-Mymr template I created. Now, they will display in all browsers, not just Firefox. Taric25 (talk) 19:05, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I switched back because lang-my-Mymr is too inflexible. It forces the font Padauk, which doesn't have the most recent additions to the Burmese character set in Unicode 5.1. by using, users can set what font they want to use in their CSS. —Angr 05:17, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

SOAS link
The SOAS link gives a 404 error message. I have tried to fix it twice and got rejected both times even when using the password. Would somebody fix this? Just go to SOAS, search on Burmese, and you'll get the right link. 4.249.198.49 (talk) 21:59, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅. Thanks for bringing that to our attention! —Angr 05:14, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Capital N in IPA
I assume by [N] what is intended is the uvular nasal. The proper symbol for that is the “small capital N” [ɴ], so I have changed all occurrences both here and at MLC Transcription System. MJ (t • c) 16:09, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No, by /N/ is intended the placeless nasal, which is realized as nasalization of the vowel followed by a sort of nasalized approximant (alveolar after monophthongs, velar after diphthongs). Burmese has no uvular nasal. +Angr 16:21, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for catching me so quickly, Angr. In the process of finding some capital N’s I had missed, I found the explanation of the placeless nasal, so I undid my own edits. MJ  (t • c) 16:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Still, you won't be the only person to be thrown off by it. /N/ is an abstract phonological unit and probably shouldn't really be used in phonetic transcription using [brackets]. Perhaps we could use and  instead, though those symbols are also pretty obscure. +Angr 16:50, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it’s all right as it is here with the explanation included. At least it’s not an incorrect symbol in brackets. But at MLC Transcription System the sentence “Nasalised finals, with most pronounced [N], are transcribed differently” seems to want explanation. MJ  (t • c) 17:32, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Burmese language vs Georgian
Why does Burmese language look a lot like Georgian language? - 83.108.194.198 (talk) 07:34, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Just took a look at Georgian. (I've been told that Burmese looked like Armenian but never Georgian.) I guess there are some similarities, especially in the cursive nature of letters and in some letters. But it's just a coincidence. The Burmese script at its creation 900+ years ago (from the Mon script, ultimately from the Brahmi script) during the early Pagan era (11th/12th century) was very angular. The Burmese script in the Myazedi stone inscription (the earliest record of written Burmese) shows little resemblance to modern Burmese. To a layperson like me, the old script looks very much closer to its Indian origins, and I can't make out most of it. It looks like another Indian script.

 * The modern look of Burmese script slowly came in later eras. My understanding is that the cursive nature of developed in the Ava period (14-16th centuries) when literacy came to the Burmese village level through Buddhist monasteries. Because they had to write on palm leaves (not stones), they adapted the script to become more cursive, and rounder. This new style was the basis for the Shan and (Lan Na Tai Tham) scripts. What's more, the Mon script, from which most believe the Burmese script was derived, seemed to have been influenced in return by the developments in Burmese, and today looks very much like modern Burmese (not the old Mon of a millennium ago).Hybernator (talk) 21:52, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Nice, interesting. Good knowledge there. - 83.108.194.198 (talk) 15:17, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Consonant order
I've corrected the glyph order of Xr clusters in the case of the word ွမနျမာ (it was မွနျမာ throughout), but I notice this problem popping up throughout the article. Somebody who is better at this than I am should go through and correct this and any other related errors. Mrrhum (talk) 23:22, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * And likewise ခေါကျဆှဲ for ခေါကျဆှဲ, which I didn't correct.
 * Some Burmese person: help! Mrrhum (talk) 23:36, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Never mind. The whole thing turned out to be a result of incorrect rendering by Padauk. Installing the Myanmar3 fonts fixed that problem. I undid all my changes. (The latest version of Padauk also fixes this problem.) Mrrhum (talk) 23:57, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

grammar error
It is not 	ကြ ခဲ့ သည်။ It should be ခဲ့ ကြသည်။ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soewinhan (talk • contribs) 14:24, 10 July 2010

 * Agreed. It reads better now. Thanks. Hybernator (talk) 14:49, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

IPA for Myanmar
Dear Angr, as a native Burmese speaker born and raised in Yangon, I can tell you that the most common pronunciation is. No one pronounces. Even TV and radio announcers pronounce it with a schwa. In fact, I can't think of a time when I or anybody else would enunciate the first syllable as it's spelled -- except perhaps in times of extreme emphasis. In Burmese, we have a saying --which as explained in the article means the written Burmese doesn't always correspond to the actual pronunciation. (It doesn't match most of the time.)

I didn't pay attention to the IPA translations anywhere until a few months ago when you put up the IPA for Burmese page with explanations. Thank you. Only recently, have I started paying attention to them. Please do check with your other Burmese sources. Other Burmese speaking editors, please contribute. Thanks. Hybernator (talk) 15:31, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The only source I have that gives a phonetic transcription is Annemarie Esche's Burmese-German Dictionary, which transcribes it without reduction. I thought that the reduced equivalent of  was, and I've definitely read that when a syllable is reduced, it can only have one consonant in the onset, not two, e.g. နွားပေါက်, which Esche says can be pronounced  or  but not *. +Angr 15:41, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * She is correct about and  but not  and . ( is a typical Upper Burmese reduction; in the south we tend to adhere to the spelling a bit more.) A reduced equivalent of  is, by way of . In everyday speech, most still (reflexively) pronounce the written "Myanmar" as , despite the spelling. When we're more careful to pronounce "Myanmar" in a more formal way, it's , never . Enunciating it the way it's spelled would sound truly awkward, unnatural, and forced. Hybernator (talk) 16:05, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd have to agree with Hybernator. From my experience, frequently used words in Burmese are more likely to have reduced vowels. I can't think of anyone who would pronounce မြန်မာ with a nasalized final, as in . When I pronounce it, it's not a complete schwa (like the French je), but midway between an a vowel and a schwa, but the schwa is definitely the best approximate. --Hintha (talk) 22:10, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, it's going back in! +Angr 07:33, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you both! Hybernator (talk) 00:18, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Displaying Burmese script in Firefox v3.6.13 on Windows XP
I spent significant time trying to get Burmese script to display, and finally seem to have it working as per my comment on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Multilingual_support_%28Indic%29#Windows_XP - Hopefully this might save at least one other person the hours I spent trying to get it working. A quick check shows that it seems to now also display in IE8 and Opera 10, which it didn't before. I'm using XP Pro SP3. UnRheal (talk) 13:32, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

IPA transcriptions
Is there any reason that [N] has been systematically changed to [ɴ] in the page? Also why is voiceless [l] written [ɬ]? The benevolent dictator (talk) 11:14, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

 * I had a misunderstanding about [N] versus [ɴ] 2 years ago (discussion here). Then last year Kwami and Angr came to a different conclusion in a fuller discussion on the latter’s talk page. (This issue seems to come up once a year, always in May.) As for [ɬ], I don’t find any occurrences in the current article. But is the sound not lateral in Burmese? Were you expecting [l̥] as I’ve seen for Tibetan?  MJ  (t • c) 15:50, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I was wondering about that as well. So, apparently there are reasons to not simply transcribe this phonetically as [ã] etc; regardless, the numerous instances of [aɴ] that appear even before the phonology section seem confusing. If it were /aɴ/ I would expect a placeless nasal, but explicit phonetic brackets certainly suggest an uvular nasal. So: is there any particular reason why the article uses phonetic rather than phonemic transcription thruout?

 * (Moreover: is there any particular reason why /ɴ/ has been analyzed as an independant segment, rather than as an archiphoneme or vowel nasalization?) -- Trɔpʏliʊm • blah 16:16, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * /ɴ/ is analyzed as an independent segment rather than as an archiphoneme or vowel nasalization because it behaves phonologically like an independent segment. There are at least two ways in which syllables ending in /ʔ/ and syllables ending in /ɴ/ pattern together: (1) diphthongs may occur only in syllables ending in /ʔ/ or /ɴ/; (2) high vowels are laxed in syllables ending in /ʔ/ or /ɴ/. These facts can only be captured as generalizations if /ʔ/ and /ɴ/ are treated as consonant segments that form a syllable coda, entailing that syllables ending in either of these sounds are closed syllables. If [ã] were treated as /ã/ etc., nasal syllables would have to be considered open syllables, and the generalization would be lost. And even at the phonetic level, there does seem to be some sort of tongue movement at the end of nasal syllables: after the monophthongs, the tongue tip approaches (but does not touch) the alveolar ridge, while after the diphthongs the tongue back approaches (but does not touch) the velum. In the latter case, the sound could be transcribed [ɰ̃]. Moreover, before a buccal consonant, /ɴ/ is realized as a real, full nasal consonant (in addition to the nasalization on the preceding vowel). In this article, [ɴ] is used in broad phonetic transcriptions to make the relationship between the surface phonetics and the phonemics more transparent (unless the precise realization of /ɴ/ happens to be the topic of discussion) and to make the transcriptions easier to read (since all nasal syllables carry tone, the vowel sign would have to carry two diacritics, one for nasalization and one for tone: writing [ɴ] makes reading and writing the transcriptions that much easier). Angr (talk) 11:24, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Initial vowels?
Our description does not permit word-initial vowels in Burmese, but some words written with an initial vowel were transcribed with a glottal stop, and some were not. Just wanted to check that they should all have the stop. — kwami (talk) 02:42, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, all apparently vowel-initial words in Burmese are actually glottal stop-initial, even if not transcribed that way. Aɴɢʀ (talk) 13:59, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Vocabulary
At the vocabulary section, it says 'ရုပ်မြင်သံကြား' is direct translation of 'Television'. I don't think it is correct because 'ရုပ်မြင်သံကြား' is 'Vision'+'Audio' but 'Television' sounds 'Distance communication'+'Vision'. I would like to change another accurate sample word. Any objection? 111.84.193.245 (talk) 10:30, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

Adoniram Judson's Burmese English Learning materials
Most of these works are by Adoniram Judson.

English Burmese dictionaries (to help Burmese speaking people learn English)
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=mAlLt1aGsWYC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=m9xGAAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=EHYIAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=vUEZBrLtAowC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=daACAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=srJJAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
 * https://archive.org/details/aeq0978.0001.001.umich.edu

Burmese english Dictionaries (to help English speaking people learn Burmese)
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=LSEYAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=UbMTAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=m4ssAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=sLwIAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=UbMTAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=q7cIAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=8PdNAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
 * http://archive.org/details/judsonburmeseeng00judsrich
 * http://quod.lib.umich.edu/g/genpub/ANH2956.0001.001?rgn=main;view=fulltext
 * https://archive.org/details/anh2956.0001.001.umich.edu
 * https://archive.org/details/1528288.0001.001.umich.edu
 * https://archive.org/details/anh2956.0002.001.umich.edu
 * https://archive.org/details/acw6962.0001.001.umich.edu
 * https://archive.org/details/judsonburmeseeng00judsrich
 * https://archive.org/details/ahq1010.0001.001.umich.edu

Grammars of Burmese
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=tNxGAAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=Ua430tUjPgoC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=kHgtAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=f6YTAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
 * https://archive.org/details/ahq1006.0001.001.umich.edu

A burmese reader
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=7ZgPAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
 * https://archive.org/details/aburmesereaderb00johngoog

Vocabulary and phrase book in English and Burmese
 * https://archive.org/details/cu31924023351418
 * https://archive.org/details/vocabularyphrase00bennrich

Elementary hand-book of the Burmese language (1898)
 * https://archive.org/details/cu31924022058931

Burmese self-taught (in Burmese and Roman characters) with phonetic pronunciation. (Thimm's system.) (1911)
 * https://archive.org/details/burmeseselftaugh00stjorich

The Anglo-Burmese student's assistant. Consisting of grammatical notes with numerous examples and analysis of sentences (1877)
 * https://archive.org/details/angloburmesestud00wrigrich

Bible
 * https://archive.org/details/11-12-BooksOfPhilippiansAndColossiansnewTestamentTranslatedIntoThe
 * https://archive.org/details/06-BookOfRomansnewTestamentTranslatedIntoTheBurmeseburma-

A catalogue of the Burmese books in the British Museum (1913)
 * https://archive.org/details/catalogueofburme00brituoft

History of Western Studies of the Burmese language

 * http://books.google.com/books?id=Kwqc7xso22wC&pg=PA2551#v=onepage&q&f=false
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=ZLa787pY5gMC&pg=PA173#v=onepage&q&f=false
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=bW3sXBjnokkC&pg=PA313#v=onepage&q&f=false
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=_UODbGlD4WUC&pg=PA238#v=onepage&q&f=false
 * http://www.hbu.edu/HBU/media/HBU/publications/Dunham_Bible_Museum/DBM_Adoniram-Judson.pdf
 * http://www.wholesomewords.org/biography/biorpjudson.html
 * http://www.christianpost.com/news/adoniram-judson-endurance-personified-in-the-life-of-burmas-first-protestant-missionary-from-north-america-74940/
 * http://www.adoniramjudson.com/
 * http://www.believersweb.org/view.cfm?ID=43
 * http://bible.org/article/my-heart-his-hands—ann-judson-burma-life-selections-her-memoir-and-letters
 * http://www.theologicalstudies.org.uk/article_judson.html

Rajmaan (talk) 05:26, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

 * There are also a couple at Wikisource, see s:Portal:Languages and literatures of Eastern Asia. Aɴɢʀ (talk) 13:00, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

□□□□□□□
How can I change □□□□ this letter? Although I downloaded padauk font and other letters are seen properly. But many letters still have square figures only. Is there any option users like me can do? ㅠㅠ --Mar del Este (talk) 09:34, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

 * Those are supposed to be white squares. You've written the Unicode point U+25A1 WHITE SQUARE every time. Angr (talk) 07:34, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

 * (See the most recent section on his talk page for our discussion of this in April.) MJ  (t • c) 01:18, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Mon
Mon was incorrectly stated to be an Austronesian language. Changed it to Austroasiatic. Goderich (talk) 07:15, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Good catch! Angr (talk) 07:31, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Clearing up about register
In § Registers, ¶3 begins
 * In the mid-1960s, some Burmese writers, who asserted that the vernacular, spoken form ought to be used, spearheaded efforts to abandon the literary form, which was historically the preferred form of written Burmese, as "the spoken style lacks gravity, authority, dignity."

It's easy to misread this long ramble as saying that the quoted sentence was the writers' assertion, rather than the position they were arguing against. I'm splitting it into two sentences in chronological order:
 * Historically the literary register was preferred for written Burmese on the grounds that "the spoken style lacks gravity, authority, dignity". In the mid-1960s some Burmese writers spearheaded efforts to abandon the literary form, asserting that the spoken vernacular ought to be used for writing as well.

To discuss this, please me. --Thnidu (talk) 02:45, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

At the Registers topic, the subject of the sample sentences that show the differences between literary and spoken Burmese is so negative. I would like to change something positive. Yarzaryeni (talk) 05:07, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

WilliamThweatt
Given recent scholarship has challenged the Mon origin of the Burmese script, let's just leave origins out of the lede, which is a summary. We can talk about different scholarly stances elsewhere. Ogress smash! 06:33, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
 * If you're going to say "recent scholarship", you're going to need to provide a source so we can determine weight. Do a quick google scholar search and you'll see the consensus is that Burmese writing is derived from Mon. It will take multiple reliable sources to overturn the existing consensus.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 06:51, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, the alphabet page says in the lede, "It is an adaptation of the Old Mon script[2] or the Pyu script." The cite for Pyu is missing here but present in the side panel: Aung-Thwin (2005) The Mists of Ramañña: 167–178, 197–200. Google brings me as its first two hits that Burmese and Mon are cousins, once thought to be Mon > Burmese but disputed in recent scholarship in, an even more strong version of that with a note that Burmese scripts samples have been found before any attested Mon forms in.

 * All we can say for sure right now is that they are closely related and derived from a Pallava script, so perhaps in the lede we don't need undue weight. It's about the Burmese language, it's hardly going to cause harm to just skip immediate origin and given that it's the lede and not the alphabet page, I think it'd be distracting to talk in any detail - like "some scholars think it is derived from Mon" or w/e seems unnecessary. As for the alphabet page, it already lists two possible origins. That cite in the alphabet lede should go elsewhere, as cites in lead are not ideal. I'll take a look at where both cites should go, because I'm sure there's a section in the article where they already belong (cites in the side board like that are also not ideal and are usually just for census info and things like that).

 * I don't have a strong feeling that one side is right, although admittedly the "new" evidence is always interesting because it's new. Despite the fact that many sources still state "Mon > Burmese", I think three scholarly sources is enough to show that it's no longer lede material to state a clear origin. And anyway what's really useful is that it's a Pallava descendant. Ogress smash! 07:19, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

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WISIWYG or WYSIWYG?
In the second paragraph of the section "Computer fonts and standard keyboard layout", there is this acronym WISIWYG. Should it be WYSIWYG? 無聲 (talk) 12:50, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
 * It certainly should. Change made. MJ  (t • c) 20:53, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

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I want to ask if this entry has any policy on using Unicode characters. It appears that this edit used non-Unicode characters: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Burmese_language&diff=896604230&oldid=894802900

If it is recommended to consistently use Unicode, the author might want to change it. If the original code is Zawgyi-One, I found this converter (developed by Myanmar Computer Federation) very useful: http://www.mcf.org.mm/myanmar-unicode-converter

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Blaydon railway station

Blaydon is a railway station on the Tyne Valley Line, which runs between Newcastle and Carlisle via Hexham. The station, situated 5 mi west of Newcastle, serves the town of Blaydon, Gateshead in Tyne and Wear, England. It is owned by Network Rail and managed by Northern Trains.

History
The Newcastle and Carlisle Railway was formed in 1829, and was opened in stages. The station opened in March 1835, following the commencement of passenger trains between Blaydon and Hexham. Initially serving as the line's eastern terminus, through services to Redheugh began in March 1837.

A second cross-river line, operating over the Scotswood Bridge to a temporary terminus near the site of Newcastle Central was opened in 1839, diverging immediately east of the station. It was not until January 1851 that Newcastle Central would be accessible using this route.

The station was enlarged on the opening of the Derwent Valley Railway in 1867, with Blaydon Junction opening to its east; this enabled trains to run to Blackhill, Consett and Durham. This line closed to passengers in the 1950s, before fully closing in November 1963.

Blaydon was substantially rebuilt in 1912, with new red brick station buildings and glass canopies. In 1969, the station became an unstaffed halt, and the canopies were removed. The station buildings were demolished in 1977, due to neglect and persistent vandalism. Service levels were also infrequent for many years, with only a small number of services calling at peak times. Since 2013 however, the timetable has been upgraded and more trains now call (with a consequent improvement in usage, as can be seen in the statistics)

Services over Scotswood Bridge were withdrawn on 4 October 1982, with the line re-routed through Dunston and across the King Edward VII Bridge, using part of the original 1837 route, which had since only been used by freight. Few traces of the former line now remain, though the position of the station signal box gives a clue as to the old alignment.

Facilities
The station has two platforms, both of which have a ticket machine (which accepts card or contactless payment only), seating, waiting shelter, next train audio and visual displays and an emergency help point. There is step-free access to both platforms, with platforms also linked by a footbridge. There is a small car park and cycle storage at the station.

Blaydon is part of the Northern Trains penalty fare network, meaning that a valid ticket or promise to pay notice is required prior to boarding the train.

Services
As of the December 2023 timetable change, there is an hourly service between Newcastle and Hexham, with additional trains at peak times. A small number of westbound trains terminate at Prudhoe at peak times, whilst many eastbound trains extend to Nunthorpe via Hartlepool or to Morpeth (peak only). On Sundays, services extend through to/from Carlisle but call only every two hours. All services are operated by Northern Trains.

Rolling stock used: Class 156 Super Sprinter and Class 158 Express Sprinter

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Ontario Highway 10

King's Highway 10, commonly referred to as Highway 10, is a provincially maintained highway in the Canadian province of Ontario. The highway connects the northern end of Highway 410 just north of Brampton with Owen Sound on the southern shores of Georgian Bay, passing through the towns of Orangeville and Shelburne as well as several smaller villages along the way. It historically followed the Toronto–Sydenham Road, the southern part of which later became the southern section of Hurontario Street. The section between Orangeville and Primrose was formerly part of Prince of Wales Road, which continues northwards after the highway turns west. Between Chatsworth and Owen Sound, Highway10 is concurrent with Highway 6.

Highway10 was established in 1920 as one of the original provincial highways in Ontario, connecting Highway 5 in Cooksville with Owen Sound. It was extended south by 1937 to Highway 2 in Port Credit. That same year, it became the site of the first highway interchange in Canada at its intersection with The Middle Road. Since the late 1990s, the southern portion has been truncated to its current terminus north of the Brampton–Caledon border.

Route description
Highway10 begins at the northern end of Highway410 in Caledon, immediately north of Brampton. It follows Hurontario Street, a route originally carved through the virgin forests of Upper Canada in 1848. Like the pioneer route it supplanted, the modern highway still divides many of the towns it serves. Within the Regional Municipality of Peel it acts as the meridian of the concession road system, with parallel sidelines described as being east or west of Hurontario (EHS and WHS, repsectively) and perpendicular concession roads divided into eastern and western segments.

Passing to the west of Valleywood, a suburban community on the fringe of the Greater Toronto Area, Highway10 begins as Highway410 transitions from a divided freeway to a four-lane rural route with a centre turn lane. The highway presses north-northwest through farmland and rises gradually over the Niagara Escarpment, a UNESCO World Biosphere Reserve. To the west are the Forks of the Credit, a deep glacial ravine and provincial park renowned for its scenery. It passes between several large quarries and through Caledon Village before entering Orangeville at Highway 9, where it diverges from Hurontario Street.

Highway10 passes to the east of Orangeville on a bypass, switching between Hurontario Street and Prince of Wales Road alignments to avoid the business district. At the north end of the bypass, the highway curves and proceeds northward. It narrows to four lanes immediately north of Orangeville and then to two lanes north of Camilla, which along with Elba is one of two communities interspersed among the farmland that otherwise occupies the distance between Orangeville and Shelburne. At the hamlet of Primrose, Highway10 turns west and becomes concurrent with Highway 89 into the town of Shelburne. The concurrency ends in the centre of Shelburne, as Highway10 branches north.

From Shelburne to Owen Sound, the road follows the northernmost part of the former Toronto–Sydenham Road, a colonization road that predates the division of the land in the area. As such, the road follows a diagonal path relative to the survey grid. While it generally passes through farmland, it also bisects the communities of Melancthon, Corbetton, Dundalk, Flesherton—where it meets a former portion of Highway 4—Markdale, Mount Pleasant, Berkeley and Arnott before meeting Highway 6 at Chatsworth. The two highways travel north for approximately 13 km through the community of Rockford. Highway10 ends at 10th Street East, where it meets the western terminus of Highway 26 as well as the northern terminus of Highway 21. Highway6 continues northwest, concurrent with Highway21 through Owen Sound.

History
Historically, Highway 10 follows the 19th-century stagecoach route known as the Toronto–Sydenham Road (the southern half of which later became absorbed into Hurontario Street). It travelled north from Dundas Street (later Highway 5) in Cooksville through Brampton, Orangeville and Shelburne to Owen Sound.

In order to be eligible for federal funding, the Department of Public Highways (DPHO) established a network of provincial highways on February26, 1920. Portions of the network were then assumed by the DPHO over the following year. The section of Highway10 within Dufferin County between Orangeville and Dundalk was taken over on July8, 1920. This was followed several weeks later by the portion within Peel County (now Peel Region) between Cooksville and Orangeville on July22. Finally, the DPHO assumes the portion within Grey County on October6. It was later extended south from Cooksville when the provincial government assumed the remaining stretch to Lakeshore Road (Highway 2) in Port Credit, on the north shore of Lake Ontario, on March16, 1921. Until the mid-1920s, highways in Ontario were named rather than numbered. The 166 km Sydenham Highway was designated as Provincial Highway10 in the summer of 1925.

While initially unpaved, construction of a hard surface along Highway10 began in 1923. That year saw completion of paving between Port Credit and Cooksville, as well as between Chatsworth and Owen Sound. Paving was completed between Cooksville and Brampton in 1925, and for 11.8 km north of Brampton and 9.7 km northwest of Melancthon in 1926. Further paving in 1928 and 1929 resulted in the highway having a continuous pavement from Port Credit to Dundalk. Pavement was laid in and near the villages of Flesherton and Markdale in 1931, and between Dundalk and Markdale in 1934. The pavement was extended from Markdale to Berkeley in 1936, leaving an approximately 17 km gap between Berkeley and Chatsworth. This final gravel section was graded and paved in 1937 and 1938.

Highway10 initially entered Owen Sound along 9th Avenue East, before turning west onto 6th Street East, then north along 2nd Avenue East to Highway21 and Highway26 at 10th Avenue East. The official Ontario road maps published between 1947 and 1967 show the route following 3rd Avenue East instead of 2nd Avenue East. Beginning in 1968, the combined highways followed 9th Avenue East directly to 10th Street East, as they do today. Within Orangeville, Highway10 formerly turned west onto Highway 9 and ran concurrently with it through downtown along Broadway, then turned north to follow First Street (the Prince of Wales Road alignment). In mid-1971, a bypass around Orangeville was completed, bypassing Broadway and the short sections of both Hurontario and First Streets through the town.

As Mississauga was established in 1968 from Toronto Township (which included Cooksville), and later Port Credit, and began to rapidly urbanize and as Brampton grew during the same period, portions of Highway10 were designated as connecting links and transferred to municipal maintenance through the two cities. On April1, 1970, a 5.2 km segment of the route, from the Port Credit railway underpass to Burnhamthorpe Road, was designated as such. This was followed on December10, 1970, with the creation of a 2.0 km connecting link between Steeles Avenue to south of Clarence Street near downtown Brampton. In 1997, these connecting links were repealed and the highway designation dropped altogether through those cities, shortening the highway to its present length.

In 2009, a major project to widen two-lane sections of the southern portions of the highway was completed, and the highway is now four lanes wide from Highway 410 north to Camilla. From Shelburne north to Owen Sound, it remains a two-lane highway with several passing lanes in hillier regions.

During winter, the northern stretches of the highway that pass through the snowbelt region of Grey County are subject to poor visibility and road closings during windy conditions or winter storms.

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Savage (musician)

Roberto Zanetti (born 28 November 1956) is an Italian singer and music producer from Massa, Tuscany. As a singer, he is known under the stage name Savage and as a music producer he uses the alias Robyx.

In 1989, he recorded "I Just Died in Your Arms" (a hi-NRG remake of the Cutting Crew song), as well as a greatest hits album. In 1994, he released another album, Strangelove, containing a number of remixes of his older songs and four mixes of the song "Strangelove" (by Depeche Mode). The last single which was released by Savage was "Don't You Want Me", which appeared on his own label, Dance World Attack Records (DWA) in 1994. This track does not appear on the Strangelove album.

As Robyx, he mainly worked as a songwriter and producer for other artists in the eurodance and euro house genres, working with Ice MC, Double You and Alexia.

At the beginning of 2019, Zanetti started recording Love and Rain, his first studio album following Tonight (1984). He worked with multiple European labels to release the album, including Polish MagicRecords and Russian RDS Records, as he was living in Poland at that time. The album was released at the beginning of 2020 and includes 14 new songs.

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Komm, süßer Tod (novel)

Komm, süßer Tod ("Come, Sweet Death") is a 1998 novel by Austrian author Wolf Haas. It is named after a musical piece by Johann Sebastian Bach. It was picturised in 2000 as Komm, süßer Tod.

Plot summary
Disillusioned paramedic and ex-cop Simon Brenner finds himself trapped between the front lines of two competing Emergency Medical Services in Vienna's relentless summer heat. Things turn really hot when Brenner starts looking into the unusually high death rate of elderly patients.

Characters

 * Simon Brenner – ex police officer, main protagonist

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Warrington Transporter Bridge

The Warrington Transporter Bridge (or Bank Quay Transporter Bridge) is a structural steel transporter bridge across the River Mersey in Warrington, Cheshire, England.

Design
It was designed by William Henry Hunter and built by Sir William Arrol & Co. The bridge has a span of 200 ft, is 30 ft wide, 76 ft feet above high water level, with an overall length of 339 ft feet and a total height of 89 ft.

History
It was constructed in 1916/7 and fell into disuse in approximately 1964. The bridge was constructed to connect the two parts of the large chemical and soap works of Joseph Crosfield and Sons. It was originally designed to carry rail vehicles up to 18 LT in weight, and was converted for road vehicles in 1940. In 1953, it was further modified to carry loads of up to 30 LT.

It was the second of two transporter bridges across the Mersey at Warrington. The first was erected in 1906 and opened in 1907 slightly to the north of the existing bridge and was later transformed into a pipeline bridge, before it was demolished.

It is one of three remaining such bridges in the UK.

Regeneration
The bridge is recorded in the National Heritage List for England as a designated Grade II* listed building, and because of its poor condition it is on the Heritage at Risk Register. The bridge is protected as a Scheduled Ancient Monument.

A local group called Friends of Warrington Transporter Bridge (FoWTB) was formed in April 2015 to act as the independent voice of the bridge. The group is liaising with other interest groups to safeguard the future of the bridge and its industrial heritage status. FoWTB has been featured on the local BBC News programme, North West Tonight and has set up a website for the bridge along with Facebook and Twitter pages. In 2016, the bridge was nominated for the Institution of Civil Engineers North West Heritage Award.

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Silentium

Silentium is a Finnish gothic metal band. The band was formed in 1995 and it originates from Jämsänkoski, Finland. Keyboardist Sami Boman and original vocalist Matti Aikio created Silentium by adding violin player Jani Laaksonen, guitar players Toni Lahtinen and Juha Lehtioksa, and drummer Jari Ojala into the line-up of their previous band Funeral.

Silentium's first demos and EPs were released in tape format, and their albums have only been released in Europe and some Asian countries, although Silentium's last single "Dead Silent" has been uploaded to some legal Finnish music websites for worldwide download.

The addition of singer Riina Rinkinen to the band in 2006 was welcomed by Canadian and German reviewers.

Current members

 * Juha Lehtioksa - guitars (1995–present)
 * Sami Boman - keyboards, add. brass samples, backing vocals (1995–present)
 * Riina Rinkinen - female vocals (2004–present)
 * Janne Ojala - drums (1999–2004, 2014–present)
 * Aapeli Kivimäki - guitars (2014–present)
 * Ville Koskinen - bass (2019–present)

Former Members

 * Matti Aikio - bass, male vocals (1995–2018; died 2022)
 * Jari Ojala - drums (1995–1999, 2004–2014)
 * Toni Lahtinen - guitars (1995–2014)
 * Jani Laaksonen - violin (1995–2004)
 * Tiina Lehvonen - female vocals (1998–2004)
 * Elias Kahila - cello (2005-2007)

Timeline

Albums and EPs

 * Illacrimó (EP, 1996)
 * Caméne Misera (EP, 1998)
 * Infinita Plango Vulnera (1999)
 * SI.VM E.T A.V.VM (2001)
 * Altum (2001)
 * Sufferion - Hamartia of Prudence (2003)
 * Seducia (2006)
 * Amortean (2008)
 * Motiva (2020)

Singles

 * "Frostnight" (2005)
 * "Dead Silent" (2007)

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Moni Mulepati

Moni Mulepati (मोनि मुलेपति; born 1981 in Nepal) is a Nepalese Newar mountain climber. She is the first non-Sherpa Nepalese woman to reach the summit of Mount Everest, having reached the peak on 30 May 2005. She is also the first woman to be married at the summit by marrying her climbing partner Pem Dorjee.

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Volen Siderov

Volen Nikolov Siderov (Волен Николов Сидеров ; born 19 April 1956) is a Bulgarian far-right politician and chairman of the nationalist party Attack. He has been the editor of numerous newspapers and has authored five books.

In 2021, the European Court of Human Rights ruled that Bulgarian courts had erred in not upholding civil discrimination claims against Siderov for his anti-Jewish and anti-Romani statements.

Early life
Siderov was born in 1956 in Yambol, Bulgaria. He received an undergraduate degree in Applied Photography in Sofia, and before the fall of Communism in 1989, worked at the National Literature Museum as a photographer. His brother, Dr. Plamen Siderov, was a mathematician and lectured at Sofia University.

After the fall of Communism, Siderov became a member of the newly established Movement for Human Rights. During the fall of 1990, he became the editor-in-chief of Democracy (Демокрация), the official newspaper of the Union of Democratic Forces (Siderov played a major role in establishing the paper as the official publication of the right-wing party).

At one point he was appointed deputy editor-in-chief of Monitor, a newspaper of a political orientation that could be described as nationalist and conservative. In 2000, Siderov was presented with the award of the Union of the Bulgarian Journalists. Later, he came to be the host of Attack, a talk show on the Bulgarian cable TV channel "SKAT".

In 2002 Siderov was invited to a controversial anti-globalisation conference in Moscow where he associated with people like Ahmed Rami and David Duke.

Rise in politics
During the 2003 local elections Siderov ran for mayor of Sofia on the ticket of the marginal National Association-BZNS Party. He received 1,728 votes, or 0.45%. That attempt passed largely unnoticed for the general public.

During the June 2005 parliamentary elections, already a popular TV host, Siderov organised and led the party "Attack", named after his talk show. The party won 8.14% (296,848 votes) of the total vote, thus becoming the 4th largest party in parliament. In the 2009 elections Attack won 9.4% (395,000 votes) of the total vote.

International relations
Siderov reportedly espouses anti-Masonic conspiracy theories, claiming that Masons control the world through puppet regimes, international organizations, and the press. According to Siderov, these forces seek to commit genocide against Bulgarian people. Attack opposes the membership of Bulgaria in NATO; Siderov has declared that the people were lied to, that Bulgaria would be the safest place by then Bulgarian Minister of Foreign Affairs—Solomon Pasi—but the result was reducing the Bulgarian army to 20,000 troops and in necessity Bulgaria would be defenseless as the Turkish government wants. He compared the accession of Bulgaria to NATO as a new signing of the Treaty of Neuilly-sur-Seine, considered as humiliating treaty for Bulgaria, signed after World War I. Although the party is ambivalent on Bulgaria's European Union membership, it has demanded a revision of some of the previous agreements (e.g. the resolution on shutting down the Kozloduy Nuclear Power Plant near the Danube), it claims that those who signed the EU membership, referring to Meglena Kuneva and others, are national traitors, not because of the EU membership itself, but because of the "anti-Bulgarian" agreements, on which it is signed. Siderov expressed respect to the Russian president Vladimir Putin, by visiting him on foot for his 60th birthday on 7 October 2012. On 8 March 2013 Siderov paid tribute to the deceased president of Venezuela Hugo Chávez at the Bolivarian republic's embassy in Sofia, where he called the revolutionary an 'example for the Bulgarian patriots as a statesman'.

Attack insists on the cancellation of Treaty of Neuilly-sur-Seine and the returning of the Western Outlands to Bulgaria, annexed by Yugoslavia after the First World War, which consists of the regions of Dimitrovgrad and Bosilegrad in Serbia, whose population according to the Serbian national census is predominantly ethnic Bulgarian, and of the region of Strumica in North Macedonia. Siderov said that the treaty is invalid, because it was signed with Yugoslavia in 1919, a vanished state, and does not refer to the present-day Serbia or to North Macedonia and should be cancelled.

The first statement ever of Volen Siderov from the parliamentary tribune, for a plan for a giant genocide of the Bulgarian nation, coming from abroad: "…In this 8-year period gigantic genocide was carried out over the Bulgarian nation. At the insistence of foreign, hostile to Bulgaria factors, of our people is projected to remain 3.5 to 4 million residents. This is Bulgarophobe's plan and this plan is realised in front of us. If someone asks how, I will show him: when the right of the Bulgarians to be masters in their own country became stolen, when they will be left to die in misery and lack of medicines and medical services, by being subjected to terror by Gypsy bands, who everyday [sic] disrupt, rob, rape and maltreat the Bulgarian nation, after which nobody deliberately seeks out the crimes, committed by them, because this is the directive outside, not to investigate the crimes of these minority groups. The goal is for the Bulgarians to live in fear, to be discouraged, crushed, submissive. Hundreds of thousands of chronically ill are dying right now because mob companies of the previous cabinet make dirty deals with the life and health of the Bulgarians. Because relatives of the previous Minister of Environment are trading with medicaments for cancer and therefore there are not any medicaments, and hundreds of thousands of Bulgarians with cancer face a slow, excruciating agony."

In September 2018, Siderov met with Israeli MK Oren Hazan, a member of the Likud party, during the latter's visit to Bulgaria. Hazan defended the meeting by noting that Siderov "said he apologized for what he had said" about the Holocaust in the past, and Hazan then "told him he needed to do it publicly".

Controversy
Siderov has generated increasing controversy as Attack has improved at the polls. He has been labeled xenophobic, and his persona has been called "a studied imitation of Hitler". He has criticised the "symbiotic relationship" between established political parties and organised criminal groups. He has also spoken against the widespread discrimination against majority ethnic Bulgarians by their own state, particularly in relation to the alleged non-prosecution by the state of crimes committed by ethnic minorities and the free provision to certain ethnic groups of social services that have been denied to ordinary Bulgarians.

Siderov and his party "Attack" were among the few Bulgarian political forces that opposed the closing of the four units of the Kozloduy Nuclear Power Plant. Units 1 and 2 were taken shut down in the end of 2003 and units 3 and 4 were taken out of operation in the final hours of 2006, immediately prior to the country's accession to the European Union.

From time to time Siderov is involved in scandals that include hooliganism.

During a televised debate in the show Referendum on Bulgarian National Television (BNT), after arriving late, Siderov questioned the sexual orientation of IMRO leader Angel Dzhambazki, as well as Krasimir Karakachanov's property deals and alluded to what he alleged was underhanded support by the Movement for Rights and Freedoms for the nationalist IMRO party. He continued to speak even after being told to stop by moderators and even after his microphone was turned off. Gendarmerie officers arrived on scene to escort Siderov out of the studio and he was subsequently banned from appearing on the BNT by the channel's management. Bulgaria's council for electronic media referred the case to the country's Central Electoral Commission in an attempt to revoke Siderov's right to access free media packages, which are given to parties in the run-up to elections. Siderov reacted to these actions by accusing the network of censorship.

Siderov has questioned the lethality of COVID-19. He has also been under legal investigation for encouraging citizens to violate the pandemic control measures.

Presidential election 2006
Siderov ran for President in the 2006 presidential election. In the first round on 22 October he received 21% of the vote and qualified for the runoff on 29 October against incumbent Georgi Parvanov, who had 65%. Parvanov was not declared the winner after the first round because, in accordance with Bulgarian electoral law, at least 50% of all registered voters had to take part in the first round for that. Mainstream right-wing parties in Bulgaria (the UDF and the DSB) refused to back any of the candidates, despite appeals by many observers, notably by fellow conservative and European People's Party chairman Hans-Gert Pöttering, to support Parvanov (the situation was commonly compared with the way French left voters supported mainstream right-wing candidate Jacques Chirac against far-right Jean-Marie Le Pen in 2002). The centrist National Movement for Simeon II ultimately decided to back Parvanov. Meanwhile, some far-left formations called their sympathizers to support Siderov. In the second round, he lost, receiving about 24% of the vote.

2019 Sofia mayoral run
In September 2019, Siderov announced his resignation from Bulgaria's National Assembly, in order to run for the post of mayor of Sofia, Bulgaria's capital and largest city, in the 2019 Bulgarian local elections.

During his election campaign he promised that, if elected, he would stop the use of municipal tow trucks for forcefully moving incorrectly parked cars, as well as ban any gay parades, such as Sofia Pride, from being held in the city. Siderov claimed that homosexuality itself "did not interest" him and that homosexuals could have a private party instead, as he deemed the gay parade was only costing the Sofia Municipality excess money, as the local police is charged with guarding the event. He also stated that he would attempt to save money by creating a local, municipal-run construction company, which would handle public works, instead of auctioning them off to private companies. Siderov believes that with these measures, he could fund free bus passes for all retirees and schoolkids in Sofia. He further pledged to "crush" street gangs and organized crime in Sofia in only 3 months, stating that voters were free to "have his head" if he did not fulfill this promise in time. Adding that he thought Sofia needed its own Viktor Orbán, he further stated that he believed candidates for mayor should resign their previous posts before standing for election, as he had done with his position in the national assembly. For this reason, he praised Maya Manolova, who resigned from her position as National Ombudsman to run for Mayor of Sofia, but criticised Angel Dzhambazki, another candidate for the position, who refused to give up his seat in the European Parliament.

During the vote counting process, he arrived at Arena Armeec, where the votes were being tallied, and insisted he be allowed in to monitor the process. He was denied entry by the policemen guarding the arena and left after a long argument with the authorities, which told him that Bulgarian electoral law makes no provision for political candidates to monitor the counting process. He finished seventh with 1.44% of the vote.

Personal life
Siderov's hobby is collecting books and various maps related to Bulgaria.

Selected works

 * Siderov, Volen (2002) Бумерангът на злото (The Boomerang of evil). Sofia: Жарава.
 * Siderov, Volen (2004) Властта на Мамона. Кой и как ни ограбва (The power of the Mammon. Who and how is robbing us.). Sofia: Бумеранг, ISBN 9549330044.
 * Siderov, Volen (2007) Моята битка за България (My struggle for Bulgaria). Sofia: Бумеранг, ISBN 9789549330076.

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Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Boothy443

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 * (Boothy443 | talk | contributions)

Statement of the dispute
Boothy443 has shown a clear lack of good conduct in recent months. Boothy claimed on his user page a while back that "Admins are evil", and has since opposed almost every RfA posted without reasoning. While this is allowed, it appears to be to prove a point that "Admins, especially new ones, are not good people". He has also engaged in personal attacks, sometimes even through edit summaries, which leaves non-user friendly comments in page histories. Friendly suggestions and advice on his user page is promptly deleted by him, often with a personal attack. He also recently redirected his user talk page to Sheep vote, and replaced his signature with a link to it too. I consider this to be disrupting Wikipedia.

Boothy443 has been warned before, but he simply deletes and ignores the advice given to him. If he continues, he will only further disrupt the RfA process, and drive users away from Wikipedia with his deliberate personal comments. Hedley 14:49, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Description

 * Boothy443 opposes almost all RfAs to seemingly prove a point that "Admins are evil".
 * He deletes most comments from his talk page, even though there are advice from other users. In deleting them he often engages in personal attacks.
 * He uses personal attacks in edit summaries, and upon opposing RfAs claims that he is being censored by "evil admins".
 * He has disrupted Wikipedia by redirecting his user talk page to Sheep vote.

Evidence of disputed behavior
(provide diffs and links)
 * - Oppose vote. Note edit summary and his signature directing to Sheep vote.
 * - Another oppose, note similar edit summary with apparent personal attack on Sn0wflake.
 * - Edit summary, example of non-Wiki-like behaviour.
 * - Removes his talk page comments with personal attack in the edit summary. Again the comment was reasonable.
 * - Talk page redirected to Sheep vote.
 * "rv/i am no longer taking or responing to messages at this time". Un-Wikilike comment on a talk page summary (diff cannot be linked as the revision was deleted and can only be accessed by admins).
 * - One of six 20th July 2005 blanket oppose votes. Note the point proving edit summary.
 * "Well i guess you just made and ASS out of both you and me then, but being that your seeking adminship i should have just assumed that shouldnt i, but that just seems to be the type of admins that wikipedia is looking for." and "Well heres an idea, withdraw your nomination." from Requests for adminship/Sasquatch.
 * ,, , , , ,  Keeps removing factual info about cable/some OTA coverage of TV stations within TV markets. CoolKatt number 99999 00:54, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Applicable policies
{list the policies that apply to the disputed conduct}
 * No personal attacks
 * WP:POINT

Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute
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 * - Deletes friendly comment on his talk page. Note his edit summary.
 * - Another friendly user comment/piece of advice, deletes it with personal attack.
 * - Attempt to communicate with Boothy443, again quickly deleted without consideration.
 * - an attempt to communicate that had I gave up after it was clear discussion was going nowhere.
 * I tried reasoning with him on WTAE-TV, but still does not listen. CoolKatt number 99999 00:54, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Users certifying the basis for this dispute
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 * I tried to communicate with him once, but that clearly got nowhere. Denelson83 15:11, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Hedley 15:35, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I also tried to communicate with him to get him to stop trolling on RfA, but to no avail. — Trilobite (Talk) 16:02, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I have tried to communicate with him regarding this but gave it up after it was clear that the discussion was not going anywhere, see evidence of trying and failing to resolve this dispute diff #4. Jtkiefer  T - 06:23, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * WP:POINT. — David Remahl 06:23, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I attempted to communicate with him regarding a different RfA oppose vote, I responded on BorgHunter's talk page, the RfA page and his talk page with a warning to avoid personal attacks . He then responded by accusing me of "not having any evidence" and having double standards with regards to personal attacks (i.e. he accused me of tolerating personal attacks from Administrators and other well-established wikipedians) . I responded to this accusation by asserting that I would take a personal attack by an Administrator a lot more seriously than one by him, and gave a direct copy and pasted copy of the comments that I was concerned about. I have not yet received a response to my concerns.  10:16, 23 January 2006
 * I have tried to reason with him regarding cable carraige of TV stations, and he does not seem to listen. He is clearly violating WP:POINT and WP:OWN here. CoolKatt number 99999 22:52, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Other users who endorse this summary
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 * Phroziac (talk) 15:10, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Robert McClenon 15:44, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Mike H (Talking is hot) 20:27, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * The editor's behavior on Requests for Adminship is counter-productive. He (she) is free to express his (her) point-of-view, but not by proving a point experimentally. --Sn0wflake 20:59, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes it is very counterproductive, and yes the queries by other users have all been deleted without comment and seemingly gone unheeded--except my own, but he (she?) hasn't contributed to WP since the time I left it. This user is a perfect example of why WP:POINT exists, and the edit summaries don't help illustrate the rationality of this viewpoint either. GarrettTalk 22:31, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Although I respect Outside View 4 that the best way of dealing with these things is to ignore them, Wikipedians as a community should be responsive and receptive to others' concerns - a central tenet of assuming good faith.  Letting them get away with obstinacy, rudeness and bloody-mindedness means that anti-social behaviour is licenced.  Slac  speak up!  04:21, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * brian0918 15:15, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Howabout1 Talk to me! 22:45, August 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * WP:POINT. — David Remahl 06:23, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Ral 315  01:05, August 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree, it's really annoying.— Ilγαηερ   (Tαlκ) '' 18:57, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Alphax τεχ 10:05, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
 * BRIAN 0918 • 2005-08-14 16:15
 * Sasquatch 讲 看  03:56, August 27, 2005 (UTC) I thought I'd better sign since I was mentioned, and he/she was rather rude... that being said, I also agree that his behaviour is counter-productive to the Wikicommunity... but I also wouldn't put this as a priority to fix.
 * This user's RFA habits are simply annoying, but his vandalism and other disruption makes him a downright pest who, as he is of no use to the encyclopedia, should be shown the door. — Dan | Talk 20:28, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * This is just disruptive and intimidating, and makes wikipedia overly-harsh. Voice of All  @ ''' 02:34, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * ♥♥purpl e feltangel ♥ ♥ 21:45, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
 * user doesnt seem to understand WP:POINT at all.  ALKIVAR ™[[Image:Radioactive.svg|18px|]] 00:39, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Quite simply, the way he pedantically meddles in things discourages others from contributing. He should take a very, very long holiday from Wikipedia. 09:28, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
 * We have had some disagreements about articles and categories involving Philadelphia. He refused to compromise, cooperate, get mediation, etc. When I requested mediation he went and removed his name from the page. There were a lot of perosnal attacks involved. I noticed that he started edited my work on pages where he had never been before, almost as if he was 'following me around. evrik 20:19, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I have tried to reason with him regarding cable carraige of TV stations, and he does not seem to listen. He is clearly violating WP:POINT and WP:OWN here. CoolKatt number 99999 08:54, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Response
This is a summary written by the user whose conduct is disputed, or by other users who think that the dispute is unjustified and that the above summary is biased or incomplete.

{Add summary here, but you must use the endorsement section below to sign. Users who edit or endorse this summary should not edit the other summaries.}

Users who endorse this summary (sign with ~ ):
 * 1) WP:POINT. — David Remahl 06:23, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Outside view
This is a summary written by users not directly involved with the dispute but who would like to add an outside view of the dispute.

Boothy443's views towards adminship are legitimate however his manner of putting them forth is disruptive. However, I don't think that the evidence cited above gives a fair representation of the issue. Looking at the edit history of the article he redirected his talk page to, just before it was nominated for deletion shows that Boothy443 was cited on this page as being disruptive. This may be the case; but "naming and shaming" people is not helpful. I do not find Boothy443's actions due to this disproportionate to the harm it may have caused. Call a spade a spade, yes, but do it to their face (in a fair manner) or do not do it.

I find Boothy443's behavior somewhat disruptive, but I do not think that others are "being the better man" towards him. I believe Boothy443 needs to create a page where he documents his feelings towards admins and the adminship procedure, rather than voting oppose to the majority of nominations. His criticisms of adminship are more likely to result in reform than voting oppose; voting oppose has little effect on the number of admins created, and may inflame attitudes.

As an aside: if Boothy443 chooses to create a page documenting his feelings towards adminship, I will gladly help him clarify and improve his page.

Users who endorse this summary (sign with ~ ):
 * 1) Talrias (t | e | c) 15:25, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Phroziac (talk) 15:29, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) Y0u (Y0ur talk page) (Y0ur contributions) 18:09, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * 4) WP:POINT. — David Remahl 06:23, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 5)  Blank Verse  ∅  15:50, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Outside view (2)
This is a summary written by users not directly involved with the dispute but who would like to add an outside view of the dispute.

Boothy443 is entirely entitled to oppose any RfA for any reason whatsoever, including no reason, and to express that opposition, as long as he refrains from personally attacking the candidate or any other person in so doing. I don't consider his blanket opposition votes "disruptive", although I agree with others who have said that bureaucrats should refrain from giving a great deal of weight to his oppose votes in close cases. I don't believe that the generic position that "admins are evil" is a personal attack.

He's also entitled to delete comments from his talk page, again, provided that he refrains from engaging in personal attacks. However, being deliberately uncommunicative with other editors is antisocial and contrary to the benefit of Wikipedia. Redirecting one's talk page to a nondiscussion article is both disruptive and anticommunicative and should be avoided at all times.

I agree that Boothy443's edit summaries are unnecessarily inflammatory, and not merely on edits related to his campaign against the "evil admins": the use of the term "freaking" in this edit sumamry is inappropriate. This is, however, a minor issue.

I see no reason to believe that Sheep vote, in its current form, at least, is directed at or a personal comment on Boothy443 personally. It's posssible that his previous inclusion on this page (as an example of a "wolf vote") was being used to attack his position in the past, which would be inappropriate; however, I do not believe that the page was, in fact, a personal attack. That said, this does not excuse disabling his talk page: communication between editors is very important to the smooth functioning of the encyclopedia and should not be disabled without very good cause.

I also believe that Boothy443 has been unnecessarily hounded for his RfA voting pattern; by now everybody knows how he feels about RfA and repeated demands for him to "explain his votes" on RfA are just salt in an open wound. I would ask that everyone else just leave him alone about this. Boothy443 appears to be continuing to contribute to the encyclopedia in good faith elsewhere; it seems that the best course of action is for everyone else to just ignore his idiosyncratic voting behavior. If he stops rendering his talk page unusable, I see no reason why this matter needs to go to the ArbCom.

Users who endorse this summary (sign with ~ ):
 * 1) Kelly Martin 15:49, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Ghakko 15:58, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) Antandrus  (talk) 16:12, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 4) jni 17:46, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 5) Rx StrangeLove 18:19, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 6) Sjakkalle  (Check!)  10:43, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 7) Scimitar parley 20:34, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 8) Christopher Parham (talk) 03:50, 2005 July 28 (UTC)
 * 9) Ryan 06:52, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * 10) Theo  (Talk) 16:50, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 11) Allen3 talk 02:07, August 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * 12) Mindspillage (spill yours?) 02:09, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 13) kmccoy (talk) 04:41, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 14) WP:POINT. — David Remahl 06:23, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 15)  Grue   18:01, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 16) NormanEinstein 18:52, August 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * 17) BaronLarf 14:19, August 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * 18) The Literate Engineer 07:24, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 19)  Blank Verse  ∅  15:51, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * 20) — Phil Welch 06:30, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
 * 21) Lectonar 06:31, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
 * 22) Exactly. --Blackcap | talk 01:27, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 23) --Masssiveego 00:16, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Outside view (3)
This is a summary written by users not directly involved with the dispute but who would like to add an outside view of the dispute.

I want to briefly acknowledge Boothy's good contributions to the project. Go back a few months and you will see that he was an efficient, thorough, and fast RC patroller, indeed was one of the best anti-vandal fighters we have ever had.

There's sometimes a bit too much focus on negative behavior on the wiki; a user can make thousands of good edits without so much as a "thank-you". While his "oppose" votes are disruptive to a degree, his good work needs acknowledgement, so here it is.

Users who endorse this summary (sign with ~ ):
 * 1) Antandrus  (talk) 16:12, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Phroziac (talk) 17:40, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) Kelly Martin 17:42, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * 4) jni 17:47, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 5) Y0u (Y0ur talk page) (Y0ur contributions) 18:08, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * 6) Rx StrangeLove 18:17, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 7) (but noting that good contributions elsewhere do not excuse the RfA behaviour) Splash 23:10, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 8) humblefool® 23:21, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 9) I agree to this. However, users such as Irate also made good contributions. 50 good contributions are ruined by one bad one. I don't believe that being a good vandal hunter two months ago makes up for personal attacks, amongst the other things mentioned above. Hedley 23:25, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 10) Sjakkalle (Check!)  10:41, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 11) Ghakko 17:20, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 12) BMIComp (talk, HOWS MY DRIVING) 23:36, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 13)    [ +t, +c, +m ] 07:34, July 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * 14) Scimitar parley 20:35, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 15) Ryan 06:53, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * 16) Theo  (Talk) 16:50, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 17) Mindspillage (spill yours?) 02:09, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 18) WP:POINT. — David Remahl 06:23, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 19) MarkSweep 16:07, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 20) I can also agree with this, as well as View #4.  Bratsche talk  5 pillars 19:29, August 9, 2005 (UTC)
 * 21) Curps 03:32, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 22) Ryan Norton T 09:03, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 23) Andre ( talk ) 04:09, September 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * 24)  Blank Verse  ∅  15:53, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * 25) — Phil Welch 06:34, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
 * 26) Lectonar 09:00, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Outside view (4)
This is a summary written by users not directly involved with the dispute but who would like to add an outside view of the dispute.

Everybody knows how Boothy443 votes on RfA. It is fairly plainly a WP:POINT. It is one of very little consequence, however, since I trust the Bureaucrats to give consideration to Boothy443's manner of voting and history relating to adminship generally. Little, and probably nothing, is gained by anyone challenging the RfA votes, communicating with Boothy443 about it, or creating an RfC about it. There is no reason to believe that any of these actions show any promise at repairing Boothy443's relation with the RfA process or indeed with admins in general.

With this reasoning, and contrary to the opening statement of this RfC, namely that "...he will only further disrupt the RfA process, and drive users away from Wikipedia with his deliberate personal comments...", ignoring Booth443's RfA behaviour and trusting Bureaucrat judgement means Boothy443 will have no effect on the RfA process until the WP:POINTs come to an end.

Boothy443's votes on RfA should simply be quietly ignored; that way they do noone any harm.

Users who endorse this summary (sign with ~ ):
 * 1) Splash 23:10, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) A и D я 01D  TALK  EMAIL  02:35, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) I agree slightly. They should be ignored if they are just blanket opposes - Which they have been, as they even have a stock edit summary attacking Sn0wflake. However, there are other concerns on this RfC, such as personal attacks, which should also be considered. Hedley 14:23, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 4) Kelly Martin 15:00, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * 5) BMIComp (talk, HOWS MY DRIVING) 23:29, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 6) Scimitar parley 20:37, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 7) Christopher Parham (talk) 03:50, 2005 July 28 (UTC)
 * 8) · Katefan0(scribble) 04:22, July 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * 9) WP:POINT. — David Remahl 06:23, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 10) I think this is already being done. Boothy443's votes are usually the only vote under the oppose category anyway, outvoted and harmless. Bratsche talk  5 pillars 19:27, August 9, 2005 (UTC)
 * 11) Wholly agree with this view. We can't change his behavior. If we shut him down, he'll just make a sock puppet. At least in this form, he's easily recognizable and easily ignorable. --Durin 14:39, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 12) Denelson83 07:29, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 13) Andre ( talk ) 04:09, September 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * 14)
 Journalist  C./ Holla @ me!

Outside view (5)
The feeling I get about RfAs these days (and indeed from reading this page) is that RfAs is some sort of glorified election process with a high pass-mark (80% or whatever it is). It is not, atleast it should not be, and it was not intended that way. The idea behind RfA is that there should be a discussion whether this user is suitable for adminship, to see if there is a strong support in the community, and to generally air out any doubts which users have with them and then let the candidate respond. If there are a few serious objections from the community, the user will not be adminned even though there are, say, 81% people supporting. RfA works, in short, by consensus.

Boothy443s actions and ideas goes wholly against this notion. His refusal to state his reason so to start a serious discussion is not only disruptive, it is also quite insulting to the candidates. Had RfA been an election he could certainly vote whichever way he wants, but this is not the case. If he has problems with the adminship system he is perfectly welcome, encouraged even, to take them up in more appropriate venues. I think this sort of behaviour is not something to be glossed over.

Users who endorse this summary (sign with ~ ):
 * 1) gkhan 10:43, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Theo (Talk) 11:08, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) Sn0wflake 12:42, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 4) — Trilobite (Talk) 13:01, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 5) Hedley 16:36, 28 July 2005 (UTC) - I agree he goes about expressing his views in the wrong way.
 * 6) Phroziac (talk) 14:30, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 7) William M. Connolley 20:26:11, 2005-07-29 (UTC)
 * 8) Dmcdevit·t 05:42, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * 9) Jwrosenzweig 00:57, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 10) WP:POINT. — David Remahl 06:23, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 11) Slac  speak up!  08:55, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 12) Ryan Norton T 08:58, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 13) --Briangotts (talk) 21:07, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 14) — Ilγαηερ   (Tαlκ) '' 19:00, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 15) --Celestianpower hab 12:07, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 16) Borisblue 01:10, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 17) Werdna648T/C\@ 23:16, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Outside view (6)
The only harm caused by his annoying behaviour is that prospective admins don't get the pleasant feeling of a potential unanimous vote. Too bad! Wikipedia isn't therapy. An admin has to be able to put up with a lot nastier shit than not getting a unanimous vote; eventually some or another troll, POV-pusher, or plain fool is going to take exception with the admin's action and start hurling feces. Anyone whose feelings are badly hurt by the lack of a unanimous vote isn't suited for the task. It would be nice if he'd knock it off, but it hardly rises to the level that Something Must Be Done.

Users who endorse this summary (sign with ~ ):
 * 1) jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 18:30, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Indeed. -- grm_wnr  Esc  18:09, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) Ryan 20:32, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * 4) But please clean up the language a bit.  Y0u (Y0ur talk page) (Y0ur contributions) 22:44, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

Outside View (7)
While it is unfortunate that Boothy443 holds such a strong grudge against administrators, he has the right to vote for whomever he wants and has the right to vote however he wants. There are several users who support nominees almost everytime, without comment. Their votes are never questioned and changed. Yet, when someone votes oppose with no comment, even if it is everytime, he gets a RfC brought against him. Boothy443's vote should not be ignored or considered inferior to other votes when counted by bureaucrats. I believe this RfC should only focus on his aggressive behavior towards fellow users and possible sockpuppetry, not his personal voting policy.

Users who endorse this summary (sign with ~ ):
 * 1) Ryan 20:41, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) — Phil Welch 06:37, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) Absolutely. --Blackcap | talk 01:25, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Outside View (8)
This RFC is mooted by more recent behavior - specifically, Boothy's disclosure of some of his voting guidelines, and his recent votes for a number of highly qualified admins.

 * 1) Hipocrite - « Talk » 16:24, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Yes indeed. It looks that Boothy443 is not making "blanket" oppose votes any more. It would be helpful if he would provide reasons when he opposes, but a number of highly respected members of the Wikipedia community have also opposed nominations without giving reasons. Sjakkalle  (Check!)  08:11, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) Ryan Norton T 08:25, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
 * 4) Phroziac(talk)[[Image:Flag_of_Phyzech_Republic.svg|25px]] 12:12, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 5) --Rogerd 05:32, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 6) Yes this whole thing is silly and it looks like everyone who endorsed the above summaries is out to get him. Lets just leave the guy alone about how he votes, i mean he can vote however he wants. Nor is he trolling. Job  e  6  [[Image:Peru flag large.png|20px]] 21:41, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, but I'd like to point out that even after disclosing his voting guidelines, people are still not happy about him voting against adminship; let's stop the hounding. Btw, I never thought that he was making "blanket" oppose votes. Lectonar 09:09, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Ac  e  tic  ' Acid  11:04, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Discussion
All signed comments and talk not related to a vote or endorsement, should be directed to this page's discussion page.

 * Outside view (5), and the points raised about boothy voting habits are totally ridiculous. I mostly vote against, and I don't necessarly give reasons, even though I have many good reasons to vote against someone. I have not read any Wikipedia policy, which specify that one ought to justify. I also find it ridiculous that its always those that oppose that are asked to justify, when someone that will always or nearly always support a vote will never be asked to justify his/her choice and his/her vote will be counted as much as anyone else. I also don't see why a Bureaucrat should consider less Boothys votes than anyone else. And personaly I have seen many reasons to vote support, which I will consider idiotic and dumb, but I won't comment there the majority of times because, since the second time I started voting, I consider that everyone have their personal reasons to vote for someone. As for the claim that when important issues and reasons to oppose are brought, even if someone get over 80% votes, a bureaucrat will reject. Any example of such cases please? Fad (ix) 23:40, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Philly related pages
Could you give me an opinion How do I deal with Boothy, after being gone for a month, he's back.

 * Category:Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania
 * Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania
 * Category:Municipalities in Philadelphia County prior to the Act of Consolidation, 1854evrik 06:22, 15 January 2006 (UTC)


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Collie Smith

O'Neil Gordon "Collie" Smith (5 May 1933 – 9 September 1959) was a West Indian international cricketer.

A hard-hitting batsman and off-spin bowler, Smith was rated highly in West Indies. He idolised Jim Laker, for which reason he was nicknamed "Jim" for a time.

Test career
In his third first-class match, he hit 169 for Jamaica against the touring Australians in 1954–55, and was immediately included in the side for the First Test. He started his Test career scoring 104 on debut against Australia. But after a "pair" in the next match, he was dropped. He returned for the Fourth and Fifth Tests, and finished the series with 206 runs at 25.75 and 5 wickets at 68.00.

He toured New Zealand in 1955–56, scoring 64 in the First Test and putting on 162 for the fourth wicket with Everton Weekes in 100 minutes. He was less successful with the bat in the next three Tests, finishing the series with 78 runs at 15.60, but his off-spin bowling brought 13 wickets at 18.53, including 2 for 1 and 4 for 75 in the Second Test.

In England in 1957, he scored 161 in the First Test and 168 in the Third Test, once driving Brian Statham into the car park. He was chosen as one of the Wisden Cricketers of the Year; in his citation, he was praised for his batting, bowling, and "magnificent fielding".

In 1957–58 he made 283 runs at 47.16 and took 13 wickets at 38.00 against Pakistan in the West Indies. In India in 1958–59, he scored 287 runs at 35.87 and took 9 wickets at 29.66. In the Fifth Test at Delhi, he scored 100 and took 3 for 94 and 5 for 90. In the three Tests in Pakistan he was less successful, scoring 81 runs at 16.20 and taking 3 wickets at 20.00.

Death
During 1958 and 1959 he played for Burnley in the Lancashire League, where in 1959 he set a league record of 306*. He died from injuries sustained in a car accident in 1959 at the age of 26.

The accident happened at 4:45am on 7 September, while he was travelling with his West Indian teammates Garry Sobers and Tom Dewdney. They were driving to London to attend a charity match, Sobers being the driver. The trip had already been delayed because of the traffic. The car ran into a 10-ton cattle truck driven by a Mr. Andrew Saunders. The accident happened on the A34 near Stone in Staffordshire.

Smith was sleeping in the back seat and was thrown forward. His injuries seemed minor initially and Smith even told Sobers, in reference to Dewdney, "Don't worry about me. Look after the big fellow." But his spine was injured badly and he soon went into a coma. He died without regaining consciousness three days later. His body was taken to Jamaica, where 60,000 people attended the funeral. His tombstone in Jamaica's May Pen Cemetery is engraved: "Keen Cricketer, Unselfish Friend, Worthy Hero, Loyal Disciple, Happy Warrior." Sobers and Dewdney were not seriously injured, suffering lacerations and bruises.

Sobers was issued with a notice of intended prosecution. On 11 November at Stone Magistrates' Court, Sobers was found guilty of careless driving. The prosecutor said that Sobers had failed to take a bend and was in collision with a cattle truck travelling in the opposite direction. Sobers was fined £10 with £16 17s costs and had his licence suspended for a month. Sobers pleaded not guilty, claiming that he had been dazzled by oncoming headlights.

A biography titled The Happy Warrior was written by Ken Chaplin a year after Smith's death. He had the nicknames "Mighty Mouse" and "Wayside Preacher" because he liked reading the lesson in church.

The road passing Boys Town Club in Trench Town, Smith's birthplace, is named Collie Smith Drive in his memory.

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Trip-a-Tron

Trip-a-Tron is a light synthesizer written by Jeff Minter and published through his Llamasoft company in 1988. It was originally written for the Atari ST and later ported to the Amiga in 1990 by Andy Fowler.

Description
Trip-A-Tron was released as shareware, but came in a commercial package with a 3-ring-bound manual and 2 game disks. The trial version contained no limitations, but registration was necessary to obtain the manual, which in turn was essential to learn the script language ("KML" - supposedly "Keyboard Macro Language" and only coincidentally the phonetic equivalent of "camel"), which drove the system.

The software has a usable but quirky user interface, filled with in-jokes and references to Llamasoft mascots. For example, the button to exit from the MIDI editor is labelled "naff off", while the button to exit the file display is labelled with a sheep saying "Baa!"; the waveform editor colour cycles the words "Dead cool" above the waveform display, and the event sequencer displays an icon of a camel smoking a cigarette; and the image manipulation tool has a series of icons used to indicate how long the current operation is going to take: "Make the tea", "Have a fag", "Go to bed", "Go to sleep", "Go on holiday", "Go to Peru for six months", and "RIP"; and the scripting language command to set the length of drawn lines is "LLAMA". (The manual states: "I could have called the command LINELENGTH I suppose, but I like llamas so what the heck".)

In spite of this the software is extremely usable and was recommended as one of the best light synthesizers available at the time.

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