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Compton Pauncefoot

Compton Pauncefoot is a village and civil parish in Somerset, England, situated beside the A303 road, 5 mi south west of Wincanton in the South Somerset district. The parish had a population of 139 in 2011. The civil parish also includes the village with Blackford (located one mile to the east) and therefore population is based on the two villages together. Blackford parish was merged with Compton Pauncefoot on 1 April 1933. The civil parish holds a Parish Meeting twice a year and has no Parish Council.

There are approximately 35 houses in the village of Compton Pauncefoot and a similar number in Blackford. Compton Pauncefoot is a designated Conservation Area. The civil parish is in the Blackmore Vale ward of South Somerset District Council and Somerset County Council.

History
The name of the village is believed to come from 'compton', or narrow valley, belonging to a Norman knight called Pauncefote ('Fat-bellied').

The parish was part of the hundred of Catsash.

Baron Blackford, of Compton Pauncefoot in the County of Somerset, was a title in the Peerage of the United Kingdom. It was created in 1935 for the barrister William Mason. He had already been created a Baronet, of Compton Pauncefoot in the County of Somerset, in the Baronetage of the United Kingdom in 1918. The titles became extinct in 1988 on the death of his great-grandson, the fourth Baron.

Geography
The stream through Compton Pauncefoot is a tributary of the River Cam (Somerset). It travels under the A303 to join the Yarlington headwaters. The River Cam flows onto the Royal Naval Station where it joins the River Yeo and the Yeo in turn flows west to the south of Yeovilton and through the town of Ilchester. The river course continues to the west and at Langport becomes the River Parrett.

The stream has its headwaters in the hills around Blackford & Compton Pauncefoot together with a number of springs. The main waters come from 3 primary sources: 1. Maperton, 2. Quarry Hill, 3. Sigwells Hill. The first 2 combine in Blackford around the Crossroads/Hollow and further springs contribute at a number of points all the way through both villages. The A303 is nearby and during construction major drainage pipes were laid at intervals that bring significant quantities of water into the stream. This contributes to the rapid rise in the stream during rainfall.

The parish has no parish council and has a Parish Meeting which has limited responsibility for local issues, including setting an annual precept (local rate) to cover very limited permitted expenditure (basically minimal operating expenses and contribution to burial authority) and producing annual accounts for public scrutiny. The parish meeting helps evaluate local planning applications and works with the local police, district council officers, and neighbourhood watch groups on matters of crime, security, and traffic. The parish meeting's role also includes liaising with the district council over projects for the maintenance and repair of parish facilities, as well as consulting with the district council on the maintenance, repair, and improvement of highways, drainage, footpaths, public transport, and street cleaning. Conservation matters (including trees and listed buildings) and environmental issues are also matters that the parish meeting has a say on but no formal responsibility.

The village falls within the Non-metropolitan district of South Somerset, which was formed on 1 April 1974 under the Local Government Act 1972, having previously been part of Wincanton Rural District, which is responsible for local planning and building control, local roads, council housing, environmental health, markets and fairs, refuse collection and recycling, cemeteries and crematoria, leisure services, parks, and tourism.

Somerset County Council is responsible for running the largest and most expensive local services such as education, social services, libraries, major roads (except trunk routes such as the A303 which is the responsibility of National Highways), public transport, policing and fire services, trading standards, waste disposal and strategic planning.

It is also part of the Somerton and Frome, a county constituency represented in the House of Commons of the Parliament of the United Kingdom. It elects one Member of Parliament (MP) by the first past the post system of election, and was part of the South West England constituency of the European Parliament prior to Britain leaving the European Union in January 2020, which elected seven MEPs using the d'Hondt method of party-list proportional representation.

Landmarks
Compton Castle was built for John Hubert Hunt about 1825, in a Gothic style with large grounds, gatehouse, and lawns stretching down to a lake. It was sold in 1986 by the Showering family (of Babycham fame). It should not be confused with Compton Castle (a fortified manor house in the village of Compton, about 5 mi west of Torquay).

The Old Rectory has Georgian, additions to an earlier building. Recently this house and the church were used quite extensively in a serialised version of Jane Austen's Mansfield Park.

The mainly 18th-century Manor House includes parts which date back to the 15th century.

The Crescent is a quarter circle of cottages built in about 1815 for farm workers, and originally known as Waterloo Crescent.

Religious sites
The church dates from the 15th century and is built of hamstone. In 1485 Sir Walter Pauncefoot left money for the building of the church and for a chantry at Compton Pauncefoot, where a priest could pray daily for his soul and for those of his immediate family. He also left several yards of differently coloured silks to be made into vestments. Until 1864 the church comprised a nave with south aisle and porch, and a tower at the west. The inner arches of the tower carried a spire of graceful proportions. The north aisle was added in 1864, and at the same time the two stone coffins (now in the churchyard by the yew tree) were removed.

The interior of the church can be viewed here and here. The font is 13th-century and is perfectly plain. There is a mass dial on the south wall. The frieze in the south aisle has part of a stone inscribed "Anne Whyting 1535." In the wall under the sill of the adjacent window is a long stone panel divided into compartments, each containing a shield bearing coats of arms relating to the Whyting and Pauncefoot families.

The south wall of the chancel contains a piscina with a stone button in the centre of the bowl. Five stained glass windows in the church are signed — a rare phenomenon — by Jean-Baptiste Capronnier of Brussels. The west window is by Charles Eamer Kempe, 1896. The church's three bells were cast in 1627, and one of them has the royal arms inscribed. The chancel was panelled with oak in 1934. The church registers date from 1559.

The top of the spire became unsafe, and an appeal was launched in 1980, with the help of grants from the Department of the Environment and the Historic Churches Preservation Trust. These efforts raised £18,000 for the necessary work to be carried out. The church has been designated by English Heritage as a Grade II* listed building. The church is part of the Camelot Group of Parishes in the Diocese of Bath & Wells.

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 * This should be for the Eastern and Central Pacific only; they are not hurricanes in the Western Pacific or the South Pacific. Those should go under Category:Pacific typhoons. CrazyC83 16:58, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

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Corton Denham

Corton Denham is a village and parish in Somerset, England, situated seven miles north east of Yeovil in the South Somerset district. The village has a population of 189.

History
The village was named Corfetone in the Domesday Book of 1086, coming from the Old English meaning the settlement in a cutting. The second part of the name comes from the Dynham (later Dynham) family who held the manor from the 12th century until 1509.

The parish was part of the hundred of Horethorne.

In the 19th century an iron waterwheel was installed at Whitcombe Farmhouse.

The village was on the covers of two 2006 calendars.

Governance
The parish council has responsibility for local issues, including setting an annual precept (local rate) to cover the council's operating costs and producing annual accounts for public scrutiny. The parish council evaluates local planning applications and works with the local police, district council officers, and neighbourhood watch groups on matters of crime, security, and traffic. The parish council's role also includes initiating projects for the maintenance and repair of parish facilities, as well as consulting with the district council on the maintenance, repair, and improvement of highways, drainage, footpaths, public transport, and street cleaning. Conservation matters (including trees and listed buildings) and environmental issues are also the responsibility of the council.

The village falls within the Non-metropolitan district of South Somerset, which was formed on 1 April 1974 under the Local Government Act 1972, having previously been part of Wincanton Rural District. The district council is responsible for local planning and building control, local roads, council housing, environmental health, markets and fairs, refuse collection and recycling, cemeteries and crematoria, leisure services, parks, and tourism.

Somerset County Council is responsible for running the largest and most expensive local services such as education, social services, libraries, main roads, public transport, policing and fire services, trading standards, waste disposal and strategic planning.

It is also part of the Yeovil county constituency represented in the House of Commons of the Parliament of the United Kingdom. It elects one Member of Parliament (MP) by the first past the post system of election, and was part of the South West England constituency of the European Parliament prior to Britain leaving the European Union in January 2020, which elected seven MEPs using the d'Hondt method of party-list proportional representation.

Religious sites
The parish Church of St Andrew was rebuilt 1869–1870 to a design of Charles Barker-Green for the Rev W.B Portman and the patron Lord Portman of Orchard Portman.

Notable residents
Former Blue Peter presenter Valerie Singleton lived in the village.

World War 2 recipient of the Victoria Cross for bravery, Rear Admiral Godfrey Place, is buried in the village. He was awarded the VC when, as a former mini sub-mariner he took part in a successful and very difficult attack which  severely damaged the German battleship Tirpitz in 1943.

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 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was deleted by Duk as copyvio. --Tony Sidaway Talk 08:03, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

"PC Tools"
Advertising. smoddy 12:30, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Deleted after listing at WP:CP--Duk 04:39, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

 * It is the listing of a company like Microsoft, this entry ties in with the article for Spyware. Also see  --62.252.192.8 12:33, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment clearly it is not like Microsoft since MS is a multinational corporation, whereas this is smaller their website. It does however claim to be a global leader. Dunc|☺ 13:13, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * A straight copy of the copyrighted advertising blurb on the company's web site. Copyright Judo applied. Uncle G 15:03, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * COMMENT you'd think this violate trademarks held by Symantec (which bought Central Point Software, which made a utility package called "PC Tools")... 132.205.44.43 19:38, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Advertising and vanity. - Sikon 10:20, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, HOWEVER there exists an utility called PC Tools, created in the 1980s for MS-Dos, that was one of the first multifunctional DOS shells, a contemporary of Norton Commander v1.0, and predating WordPerfect menu. That would be a worthwhile topic. Radiant_ >|< 14:17, July 22, 2005 (UTC)
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Clay Belt

The Clay Belt  is a vast tract of fertile soil in Canada, stretching across Cochrane District in Ontario and Abitibi County in Quebec, covering 180000 km2 in total with 120000 km2 of that in Ontario. It is generally subdivided into the Great Clay Belt to the north running eastward from Kapuskasing, past Lake Abitibi and on to Amos, and the V-shaped Lesser Clay Belt to its south, running from Englehart down to the Wabi River to the northern tip of Lake Timiskaming, and long the eastern side of Timiskaming and back up to Rouyn-Noranda. The Clay Belt is the result of the draining of the Glacial Lake Ojibway around 8,200 BP, whose lakebed sediment forms the modern landform. The Clay Belt is surrounded by the Canadian Shield, forming an island of "southern flatlands" in the midst of the hilly and rocky surroundings. Similar "glaciolacustrine deposits" dot the northern areas of Ontario, Quebec, and Labrador.

Discovery
The area was first mapped by Dr. Robert Bell and his assistant Arthur Barlow in 1887, as part of a wider series of surveys in northern Ontario. In 1899, Barlow wrote a report on the geology and natural resources of the area, which suggested that the rich belt of clay that lay north of Lake Temiskaming was ideal for agricultural settlement. The area has a rich clay soil, in contrast to the low fertility of the muskeg and exposed bedrock shield surrounding it. Moreover, the combination of its general fertility, flat topography, high water table and relative accessibility to an extensive network of roads for logging and mining make it suitable for some types of farming. The following year, the government announced plans to develop the area by tapping its natural resources.

Soon after, Bernhard Eduard Fernow traveled the area at the behest of the federal Commission of Conservation, ostensibly to survey the area of the Canadian National Railway transcontinental main line (formerly the Grand Trunk) and the potential for fire. He makes extensive mention of the condition of the timber, and has a somewhat tempered view of their potential commercial value. He then moves on to a somewhat more positive report on the soil and its suitability for farming, saying its future is "bright". Wishing to avoid the "Trent watershed" problem, an earlier failed settlement attempt, he suggested setting up an experimental farm to test what "treatment is necessary on the various soils". Such a farm was set up in Kapuskasing on the west side of the river to explore and develop crops and systems for farming the area.

Promotion
The Canadian government encouraged immigrants to settle there as farmers during and after World War I. Governments of the day were mistakenly impressed with the agricultural potential of the Great Clay Belt. Under the Soldier Settlement Act, 1917 (shortly replaced by the Soldier Settlement Act, 1919) the Soldier Settlement Board established the Kapuskasing Soldier Colony to settle veterans that had returned from the Great War. Settlers received homesteads, grants and guaranteed loans and were paid for clearing their own land. However, by 1920 only nine of more than a hundred original settlers remained. The farming consisted of some grains, mostly oats, and vegetables. The Ontario government also passed legislation in 1927 to enable the migration of farmers from barren lands in older parts of the Province, such as Haliburton County, to areas such as the Lesser Clay Belt through the exchange of land.

In spite of numerous rocky outcrops some farming was successfully established within the Great Clay Belt, however, it proved to be impractical because of the short growing season. The clay soil is tremendously fertile, but long snowy winters coupled with unpredictable rainfall during the short growing season meant most farming yielded little.

Decline
By 1935, immigration to the Great Clay Belt virtually ended. One farmer, describing why he returned to urban life, stated that, in the Great Clay Belt, "there are seven months of snow, two months rain, and all the rest is black flies and mosquitoes." Some of the farmers returned to Toronto and Montreal. Some moved west to the prairie provinces of Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta once the National Transcontinental Railway was completed. Many of the farmers shifted to mining once minerals were found in the area. Others entered the logging industry. Some towns still remaining today include Cochrane, New Liskeard, Timmins, Kapuskasing, and Hearst.

Neither the Great nor the Lesser Clay Belt seems able to attract any sort of sustainable industry to employ people for long periods of time. Both regions go through periodic boom and bust cycles, depending upon the fortunes of the pulp and paper industries and the mining industries.

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Dudley Bright

Dudley Bright was appointed Principal Trombone of the London Symphony Orchestra in 2001 and retired from that position in June 2018. Prior to that, he held the same position with the Philharmonia Orchestra and Halle Orchestra and before that briefly as an associate with the LSO. He is also Professor of Trombone at the Royal Academy of Music.

Education
He studied at the Guildhall School of Music and Drama with Denis Wick, graduating in 1974. During that year he was an associate member of the LSO before joining the Hallé Orchestra, aged 22. It was while he was in that orchestra that he taught Ian Bousfield who was only 14 at the time.

Solo career
In 1988, while Principal Trombonist of the Philharmonia Orchestra, Dudley Bright was co-soloist with Philip Smith (then Principal Trumpet of the New York Philharmonic Orchestra) on an album called Principals on which they were accompanied by the New York Staff Band of The Salvation Army.

In 2004 Dudley Bright was the featured soloist on Grimethorpe Colliery Band's recording "The History of Brass Band Music - The Salvation Army Connection" in Erik Leidzen's Concertino for Band and Trombone. In 2007, he recorded his own solo Life's Command with the International Staff Band of The Salvation Army which was released on a CD called Supremacy. In 2008, he recorded Erik Leidzen's Concertino for Band and Trombone again, this time with the South London Fellowship Band.

In April 2014, Mr Bright was the guest soloist with The National Youth Brass Band of Great Britain when he performed Arthur Pryor's Thoughts of Love and his own composition Life's Command.

Compositions
Bright has composed a number of works for brass, much of it for Salvation Army brass bands. A major composition, The Cost of Freedom, was commissioned by The International Staff Band of The Salvation Army which gave the first performance at the Epic Brass II concert at The Sage, Gateshead in May 2008.

He has written four large-scale works for the students of the London Symphony Orchestra’s Brass Academy, which rotates each year between the four orchestral sections (strings, wind, brass and percussion); Pursuing the Horizon 2004, Bunhill Variations 2008, Jubilee Music 2012 and Reach for the Sky 2016. Pursuing the Horizon was written for three large brass choirs and features the hymn tune St. Luke (the LSO being based in St. Luke's, London). At the request of the International Staff Band of The Salvation Army the work was revised (renamed Pursuing Horizons) and performed by eight Salvation Army staff bands during ISB120 at the Royal Albert Hall in June 2011. A single band version also exists and was the test piece for the First Section of the Dutch National Brass Band Championships 2014.

Other works include the following;

Marches; Rise Up, O Youth (1972), Brooklands (1979), Spirit of the West (1983), Assignment (1986).

Abundant Joy (1980), Confrontations (1981), The Greatest of These (1988), Are You Joyful? (1992), Excelsior (1991), Fanfare, Hymn and Thanksgiving (1996), Strike for Victory (1998), In Good Company (2007), Paean (2009), Fantasia on 'Glory to His Name' (2015).

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Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! We welcome and appreciate your contributions, such as Monterosso al Mare, but we regretfully cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from web sites. For more information, take a look at our policy library. Happy editing! smoddy 12:33, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

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Norwegian International Film Festival

The Norwegian International Film Festival (Den norske filmfestivalen or Filmfestivalen i Haugesund) is a film festival held annually in Haugesund, Norway. The festival goes back to 1973.

In 1985, the Amanda award was instituted. The Amanda is awarded every year at the festival in different movie categories. The award is a sculpture by the Norwegian sculptor Kristian Kvakland, measuring 30 cm (12") and weighing 2.5 kg (5.5 lb).

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Mathias Sommerhielm

Mathias Otto Leth Sommerhielm (22 August 1764 – 15 November 1827) was a Danish-Norwegian politician who served as the Norwegian prime minister in Stockholm.

Biography
Mathias Otto Leth Sommerhielm was born in the seaport of Kolding in southern Denmark. He graduated from the University of Copenhagen with degrees in Latin and Law in 1785. He subsequently moved to Christiania where he was appointed a prosecutor in 1789. In 1801, Sommerhielm became director general of military prosecutions and in 1807 he became member of the Superior Criminal Court.

After Denmark's loss of Norway to Sweden, he attended the Meeting of Notables in Eidsvoll on 16 February 1814. He served as First Minister from 1815 to 1822, a position assigned to the most prominent cabinet minister at the time. In 1822, Sommerhielm was appointed Prime Minister of Norway, following the resignation of Peder Anker due to personal illness. Sommerhielm became Norway's second prime minister, an office located in Stockholm. He held the office until 1827, when the seat was vacated. He died in Stockholm later that year.

Awards
Sommerhielm was awarded the Order of the Dannebrog (Dannebrogordenen), Order of the Polar Star (Nordstjerneorden) and  Seraphim Medal (Serafimerordenen).

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Arrow's Fall

Arrow's Fall is a 1988 fantasy novel by American writer Mercedes Lackey. It is the third of the original Heralds of Valdemar trilogy.

Plot summary
Having completed her year and a half interning in the field, Talia returns to Haven as Queen's Own Herald in right. In her absence, the Council of Valdemar has been considering an offer of an alliance marriage between Princess Elspeth and the Prince of Hardorn, a young man named Ancar. While the council is generally in favor, Queen Selenay has her suspicions about the idea, and she and Talia overrule the council. Meanwhile, the budding lifebond between Talia and Herald Dirk is frustrated due to a misunderstanding - Dirk thinks Talia is in love with his best friend, the handsome Herald Kris. The problems of the kingdom occupy Talia's time so completely that she cannot speak to him, nor spend as much time with the young Princess as she used to. As a result, Dirk falls into depression (worsened by the death of a young Herald who was his special pupil) and begins drinking heavily. Elspeth, through the work of a trusted Councilor, Lord Orthallen, begins spending time with unsavory young men.

Dirk is falsely accused by Orthallen, and when Kris (Orthallen's nephew) does not immediately believe his innocence, the two have a falling-out. Dirk's slide into depression continues, and he neglects his health until he collapses from pneumonia.

Talia becomes caught up in all of these seemingly unsolvable problems and briefly loses her emotional footing, but her friends reassure her that the lifebond will work itself out in time. Then things fall apart again; Elspeth's new circle of male friends plan to seduce and then disgrace the Princess. Talia arrives just in time; she drives off the young cad, and then she and Elspeth have an argument. Afterwards, Talia confesses what she has done to Queen Selenay, who reassures her that she did the right thing by scolding Elspeth. The Queen then sends Talia and Kris on a mission to Hardorn to investigate Prince Ancar, in case the alliance marriage could be pursued after all.

Talia and Kris (who has resolved his quarrel with Dirk) arrive in Hardorn, and witness Ancar murdering his own father and the Hardornen court. As they themselves are trying to escape, Kris and his Companion are killed, and Talia, wounded, is taken prisoner. Rolan, Talia's Companion, escapes, and Talia is able to use him to deliver a message to Selenay and her retinue, who would otherwise have come into the city. Warned, the Queen stops at the border between Hardorn and Valdemar.

Talia has managed to convey to them that Kris is dead and that there is no hope for her. In desperation, Dirk and Elspeth use their Gifts (she is able to see at great distances, he is able to lift and move objects with his mind) and the strength of the Companion herd to pull her out of Ancar's dungeon. She is severely injured, for Ancar has tortured and raped her, and she drank a large amount of poison as a suicide attempt. The impossible feat leaves both Elspeth and Dirk incapacitated for some time.

Talia revives and remembers some information Ancar has told her; Orthallen is a secret agent who is working for Hardorn because Ancar has promised to give him the throne. Through his manipulations, he has been working in various ways to see to it that Elspeth never becomes Queen. The Princess and Talia set up a trap to reveal his guilt; when he attacks the two women, Elspeth executes him. While still in recovery, Talia makes Dirk understand that she loves him. Ancar's army marches against Selenay, but she defeats them, and the two countries settle into an uneasy standstill. The hostile situation is not completely resolved until the end of the Mage Winds trilogy.

The conclusion of the book is the wedding between Talia and Dirk.

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I rewrote the entire thing to let it make some sense. 62.195.43.161 14:03, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Microsoft Flight Simulator
Doesn't MFS have like the longest draw distance in any game? You are maybe 30,000 feet above ground and entire mountains can be seen (though with poor texture)

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Category:Robert E. Howard

This is a catch all category all things related to author Robert E. Howard (characters, stories, settings, biographies, etc.)

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Byron Fulcher

Byron Fulcher (born 1970) is a British musician who is the principal trombone with the Philharmonia Orchestra and the London Sinfonietta. In addition, he is professor of trombone at the Royal College of Music.

Early life and education
Byron was born and raised in Cornwall, started playing trombone at the age of nine and studied with Denis Wick. From 1988 and 1992, he studied at the Guildhall School of Music and Drama under Eric Crees.

Career
In 1989, Fulcher performed the British premiere of Ranki's Tales of Father Goose and has since performed the Gordon Jacob and Launy Grondahl trombone concerti in London and the Ferdinand David Concertino in Peru with the Lima Symphony Orchestra. In 2006, he performed the Derek Bourgeois Trombone Concerto with the RAF Central Band.

In 1991 Fulcher was a finalist the Shell LSO Scholarship competition, where he played a concerto in the Barbican Centre with the London Symphony Orchestra.

Fulcher has also performed at the International Trombone Festival in Helsinki, Finland (2003) and Birmingham, UK (2006).

Fulcher held the position of co-principal trombone of the Orquesta Sinfónica de Galicia, Spain before returning to London to freelance in 1993. He then worked with a wide variety of orchestras and ensembles including the Chamber Orchestra of Europe, London Symphony Orchestra, Royal Philharmonic Orchestra and BBC Symphony Orchestra. Byron became Principal Trombone of the BBC Scottish Symphony Orchestra in 2000 and moved to the Philharmonia Orchestra in September 2001. In 2009 he became Principal Trombone of the London Sinfonietta.

Fulcher was featured as soloist in the 2004 Benjamin Zander / Philharmonia recording of Mahler's Third Symphony (although the CD sleeve calls him "Brian" Fulcher).

Fulcher has given masterclasses at the Trinity College of Music and Chetham's School of Music. He also contributed to the musical score of Gladiator, The Lord of the Rings, and Wallace & Gromit: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit. He also now teaches at the Royal College of Music and Birmingham Conservatoire and is a member of the London Brass.

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Cricket St Thomas

Cricket St Thomas is a parish in Somerset, England, situated in a valley between Chard and Crewkerne and was formerly within the South Somerset administrative district. The A30 road passes nearby. The parish has a population of 50. It is noted for the historic manor house known as Cricket House, and its estate in recent times formerly home to a wildlife park.

Etymology
The name Cricket St Thomas is derived from the Anglo-Saxon word "cruc", meaning a hill or ridge.

Descent of the manor
The manor is listed in the Domesday Book of 1086, where it is described as "Land of the Count of Martin" paying tax to the king for six hides, or about 720 acre. It had two slaves, six villagers, five smallholders and a variety of livestock and was valued for tax purposes at 100 shillings. It was at that time within the Hundred of South Petherton.

In the 11th century the manor was held by the de Cricket family. In 1328-9 Michael de Cricket sold the manor to Walter de Rodney, who subsequently conveyed it to John of Clevedon. In 1466 it was acquired by Stephen Preston, whose great-grandson and last male descendant was John Preston, whose daughter and heiress Margaret Preston (d.1672), married John Hippisley of Ston Easton in Somerset, and thus Cricket St Thomas passed to her Hippisley descendants. In 1775 Richard Hippisley-Coxe sold it to Admiral Alexander Hood, 1st Viscount Bridport, 1st Baron Bridport (1726-1814), who although having married twice died childless and thus bequeathed it to his younger great-nephew Samuel Hood, 2nd Baron Bridport (1788-1868) (who inherited his Irish barony by special remainder), the husband of Charlotte Mary Nelson, 3rd Duchess of Bronté (1787–1873), daughter and heiress of William Nelson, 1st Earl Nelson, 2nd Duke of Bronté (1757–1835), elder brother and heir of the great Admiral Horatio Nelson, 1st Viscount Nelson, 1st Duke of Bronté (1758–1805). Samuel and Charlotte's son Alexander Hood, 1st Viscount Bridport, 3rd Baron Bridport (1814-1904) (Viscountcy created 1868), 4th Duke of Bronté in Sicily, sold it in 1898 to the chocolate manufacturer Francis Fry (d.1918), the estate having become heavily mortgaged.

Modern governance
Today the parish council has responsibility for local issues, including setting an annual precept (local rate) to cover the council's operating costs and producing annual accounts for public scrutiny. The parish council evaluates local planning applications and works with the local police, district council officers, and neighbourhood watch groups on matters of crime, security, and traffic. The parish council's role also includes initiating projects for the maintenance and repair of parish facilities, as well as consulting with the district council on the maintenance, repair, and improvement of highways, drainage, footpaths, public transport, and street cleaning. Conservation matters (including trees and listed buildings) and environmental issues are also the responsibility of the council.

The parish falls within the Non-metropolitan district of South Somerset, which was formed on 1 April 1974 under the Local Government Act 1972, having previously been part of Chard Rural District. The district council is responsible for local planning and building control, local roads, council housing, environmental health, markets and fairs, refuse collection and recycling, cemeteries and crematoria, leisure services, parks, and tourism.

Somerset County Council is responsible for running the largest and most expensive local services such as education, social services, libraries, main roads, public transport, policing and fire services, trading standards, waste disposal and strategic planning.

It is also part of the Yeovil county constituency represented in the House of Commons of the Parliament of the United Kingdom. It elects one Member of Parliament (MP) by the first past the post system of election. It was part of the South West England constituency of the European Parliament prior to Britain leaving the European Union in January 2020, which elected seven MEPs using the d'Hondt method of party-list proportional representation.

Church of St Thomas
The parish Church of St Thomas, a Grade II* listed building., was almost totally rebuilt in 1819-20 by Samuel Hood, 2nd Baron Bridport, and traces of the earlier ancient Saxon and medieval building have largely been lost. The church contains monuments to the Nelson family (Earl Nelson) and its successor the Hood family (Viscount Bridport), lords of the manor, seated at Cricket House from the 18th century until 1898.

Monuments
Monuments in the church and churchyard include those to:
 * Admiral Alexander Hood, 1st Viscount Bridport (1726-1814) (title created 1800), on the chancel south wall, who first acquired the estate. Designed by Sir John Soane and bearing his signature, it comprises a black marble base topped by white marble Ionic columns framing an inscribed tablet.
 * Alexander Hood, 1st Viscount Bridport (1814-1904) (title created 1868), 4th Duke of Bronté in Sicily, the Admiral 1st Viscount's great-great nephew. Situated in the churchyard next to the church it consists of a white marble lifesize standing figure of St Michael the Archangel. A note in the church states that for many years the statue was laid flat, as the white figure at night scared too many locals.
 * John Northcote (d.1738), commemorated in the churchyard by one of two 18th-century chest tombs made from hamstone.

Mounted on the north nave wall is a fragment of the altar cloth used in the Coronation Service of Queen Elizabeth II in 1952.

Cricket House
The surviving grade II listed Georgian manor house, known as "Cricket House", was built in 1786 by Admiral Alexander Hood, 1st Viscount Bridport (1726-1814), to the designs of the architect Sir John Soane (1753-1837). The Admiral had purchased the estate in 1775 from Richard Hippisley Coxe. It is unknown whether the new house incorporated elements of the earlier 14th century house or whether it was completely new. Soane completed further alterations in 1801–7. The Georgian orangery attached to the house was later turned into a parrot house but is now used for bowling by Warner holiday guests. In the grounds is a small garden house known as "The Admirals Seat". In 1999 the house was developed into a Warner Leisure Hotels resort.

Fictionalised as "Grantleigh Manor"
Cricket House was filmed as the fictitious "Grantleigh Manor" in the British sitcom television series To the Manor Born, broadcast from 1979 to 1981 and written by Peter Spence, whose father-in-law was then the owner of the house. Despite the closeness depicted on screen, the Manor and Lodge are in fact about one mile (1.6 km) apart. The Lodge was given additional features such as gateposts to give the impression it was a gatehouse, following various previous alterations. The house was again used as "Grantleigh Manor" in a 25th anniversary special of To The Manor Born shown in 2007.

Heritage at Risk Register
In 2009 the estate was added to English Heritage's Heritage at Risk Register due to pressure from the development of the hotel and leisure facilities. Its vulnerability is now classed as 'Medium'. Some parts of the grounds have been restored through Natural England's Environmental Stewardship Scheme.

Wildlife park
The former deer park of the house, known as "Cricket Park", were designed by D.D (David) Davis, a noted horticulturist at the start of the 19th Century, and were later turned into a wildlife park. the wildlife park was home to 600 rare and endangered species including lemurs, primates, camels, reptiles and wildfowl. Questions were raised in the UK parliament in 1995 after a rare Asian elephant was euthanised at the park. The wildlife park closed in 2009 and most of the larger animals were moved to other zoos around the country. Some of the smaller animals, such as the lemurs, were kept and the park was returned to gardens and lakes, re-opening in mid-2010. The park has since closed again and very little remains of the enclosures or buildings.

Crinkley Bottom theme park
In 1994 the grounds also became home to Crinkley Bottom, a theme park created by the broadcaster Noel Edmonds themed on the "Mr Blobby" character from his hit BBC television series Noel's House Party. The project was short-lived and closed within four years, shortly after Noel's House Party went off air, when the grounds reverted to their previous use.

Mr Blobby's house, named 'Dunblobbin' was situated at the rear of the park. Other attractions at the park included a TV-themed dark ride and a walkthrough exhibit of Noddy's Toyland Adventures. Remains of the house and its 'Blobbyland' theme park could still be seen until 2014, overgrown and strewn with fallen leaves and mud. Mr Blobby's house was demolished in late 2014.

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User:Cww

Cww (born February 12, 1983) is a male whose interests lay in the fields of computer science, physics, and electrical and computer engineering. Those interests focus mainly on research in robotics, nanotechnology, and medicine, and they were most recently rewarded in the form of a master's degree from Carnegie Mellon University in December, 2006. He also holds a Series #7 license and spends most weekdays trading stocks in Manhattan's financial district.

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Graham Lee

Graham Lee may refer to:

 * Graham Lee (jockey) (born 1975), Irish jockey
 * Graham Lee (musician) (born 1953), Australian rock guitarist

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Hey, good edits, Willmcw! Wow, putting me up there w/ W.P.--I'm honored! Stephan Kinsella 12:42, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Willmcw--thanks for the last edit. You left me up there as an "author". I suppose asking you to call me a "notable" author would be asking too much, eh? :) Stephan Kinsella 17:38, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Everybody on the list is notable, some more than others. (Read the article). The only purpose of the list is to help readers find the "Kinsella" that they are looking for. Since you're the only American on the list we don't need to say much more.  -Willmcw 18:11, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
 * W-dog, thanks for your comments, which I have no idea what they mean. Is there a question buried somewhere in there? Stephan Kinsella 18:16, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

 * That's OK, you don't have to understand. But in case you want to try again, I'll copy it right here:
 * This is a list of notable people with the surname Kinsella. (emphasis added)
 * Everybody on the list is notable. -Willmcw 18:32, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
 * Curious, how do you know this? BTW your comment reminds me of one of my favorite quotes: "Sir, I have found you an argument; but I am not obliged to find you an understanding." --Samuel Johnson. Heh hehhh. Anyway, I of course understand you, I was just funnin' ya'. Heh. Us Southrons do that sometime. I guess you didn't get my joke about W.P. But that, too, is OK. --Stephan Kinsella 19:32, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

 * OK, so I'll remove the notable part. Everyone who has an article in an encyclopedia is notable, by definition. -Willmcw 19:43, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
 * No, I was not challenging you; I was just curious how you know this. What do you mean you will "remove" the "notable part"? How? From what? From where? Are you trying to say in Wiki-editor-speak that you retract the comment? Stephan Kinsella 19:52, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Actually from "Ó Ceinnsealaigh"?
Isn't it a reduced Anglicized form of the Irish Ó Ceinnsealaigh? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 00:18, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Óengus I

GA
Great work guys. Obviously, it could use images, but I don't see that as being a requirement for GA status. savidan(talk) (e@) 08:52, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Has an FA nom been considered? They would expect an image; maybe a map could be added, at least. But this looks really good to me. Is there any more info that could be added? Everyking 11:16, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

 * A map is certainly feasible, and some other more or less appropriate illustrations can be included. So that's not really a problem, but there's still some other work to be done. I wouldn't like to have it nominated for featured, or even to go to the trouble of peer-reviewing it, until someone has had the opportunity to compare the article with Alex Woolf's "Onuist son of Uurguist : tyrannus carnifex or a David for the Picts?" which appears in David Hill & Margaret Worthington (eds), Æthelbald and Offa : two eighth-century kings of Mercia. British Archaeological Reports, British series, 383, Oxford, 2005. I don't think it's guilty of original research any more than any other article of it's type. However, as with the article on Penda of Mercia, the fact is that it's strung together from a whole lot of sources, and comparing it with a relatively long piece on the subject (of which Woolf's is the only one I am aware of) seems like a good idea. A second concern is that I asked a non-anglophone acquaintance to read through it to see if it made sense. While we haven't sat down and gone through it in detail, she did say that she found it quite hard going, in part because of the unfamiliar names, background, & so on, which is unavoidable, but also because of the way it was written, which could be addressed once I know exactly what she had in mind. Angus McLellan  (Talk) 11:56, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Moving this article
I am minded to move the article to something more resembling forms found in print. "Óengus I/Óengus II" appears in the works of Alfred P. Smyth, surely not my favourite writer on the Insular Early Middle Ages. Sticking with Óengus rather Onuist (if nothing else, it's easier to pronounce for those who like to know how things sound) and Fergus rather than [UW]rguist (which is positively unhelpful unless you're Welsh), we might have:
 * A Óengus son of Fergus (d. 761) - short and simple and as anglicised as you can get without being antiquarian, piping gives Óengus son of Fergus
 * B Óengus mac Fergusso (d. 761) - axe grinding ? salami slicing ? probably, piping gives Óengus mac Fergusso
 * C Óengus son of Fergus (King of the Picts, d. 761) - longwinded and just what does King of the Picts mean, piping gives Óengus son of Fergus

The other Óengus could be disambiguated by (d. 834). I have not opened a formal requested move as there seems little point. Unless there's a better suggestion or strong disagreement, I will go with A. Angus McLellan (Talk) 16:59, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

 * I'd be surprised if you find many people qualified to pass an opinion on the matter. I'd never heard of him, and I enjoyed your article very much, but I don't think I'd've read it if it wasn't named the way it was. However, that's not a good reason to keep it, if it's, as you suggest, questionable.--qp10qp 15:53, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

 * None of those titles seem particularly appealing. Óengus I. or Onuist I. seem fine to me, or Óengus I, King of the Picts. The "of the Picts" format is too clumsy; considering the problematic nature of the evidence (e.g. the king lists), even numbering Pictish kings is pretty risky (though in this case it is fine). The Germans have got it so much better with the Óengus I. (Picts) format, but it is out of line with English wiki convention. "son of" also looks clumsy, and besides poses the "Echdach problem" (Echdach being genitive of Eochaid), whereby because some of the patronymics occur only in the genitive case, the father names first have to be de-genitivized to be used .... not always possible with some of the more obcure names. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 03:07, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

ideally

I'd be rather inclined to avoid going with a new way of naming him that instantly means he needs to be disambiguated. Assuming the suggested monarchical naming conventions pass, Óengus I, King of the Picts would seem to be okay with me. You seem to be opposed to this form, but I'm not familiar with Alfred P. Smyth, so I'm not really sure what the problem is. Could you possibly clarify why it's not a good way of doing things? Proteus (Talk) 19:29, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

 * There is a case to be made for this article and it's namesake, but only for those. Where's the benefit in using a system which wouldn't be used on any other articles on the topic ? The Biographical Dictionary of Dark Age Britain uses numerical disambiguation in these two cases only (see p. xxxii). Smyth and Marjorie Anderson (Kings and Kingship) give complete listings of kings from Bridei son of Maelchon onwards, in most cases with Gaeliform and Pictiform names. The articles here on kings before Bridei should be zapped anyway, perhaps excepting Drust son of Erp and his brother Nechtan. Have a look at Category:Irish kings and Category:Welsh monarchs. Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:06, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

 * So are you suggesting moving all the articles on Pictish Kings from their numerically disambiguated titles? Proteus (Talk) 08:26, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

 * I definitely think the Pictish kings should be moved. It is common to use "m." instead of "son of", because that is ambiguous. "Mac" is common, and although "map" is totally and utterly unattested in any Pictish or non-Pictish source for a Pictish person, historians who think all the Picts always spoke a dialect of Welsh like to use that form (the argument wrests on a few names in king lists and a couple of other sources which lack Irish Gaelic orthography, some placename elements which include words also used in Welsh and one half-Welsh place name from the Welsh area south of the Forth reported by Bede as "Pictish"). Anyways, Marjorie Ogilvie Anderson's articles on Pictish kings are titled as follows:
 * Brude mac Bile [Bridei son of Beli] (d. 693), king of Picts
 * Brude [Bridei] mac Maelchon (d. c.586), king of Picts
 * Kenneth I [Cináed mac Alpin, Kenneth Macalpine] (d. 858), king in Scotland
 * Nechtan mac Derile (d. 732), king of Picts
 * Oengus [Angus] mac Forgusso [Onuist son of Uurguist] (d. 761), king of Picts
 * The sub-articles of Picts, kings of the (act. c.300–c.900)
 * Nechtan Morbet (d. 481?)
 * Talorgen (d. 657)
 * Drust (d. 729)
 * Talorg mac Congus (d. 734)
 * Talorgan mac Drostan (d. 739)
 * Constantine mac Fergus (d. 820)
 * Oengus (d. 834)
 * Eoganán (d. 839)
 * Drust (d. c.848)
 * Frankly, the current system is silly, and Angus is correct to want to move it. I see nothing wrong, in this particular instance, of Óengus I or Onuist I. Even Óengus mac Fergusa/Óengus mac Forgusso or Onuist (I) m. Urguist would be fine. Simply Onuist may even work, with a "For Onuist II, see blah blah blah". Regards, Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 21:36, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

WP:URFA/2020
I have a feeling this needs a few more inline citations in several parts. Besides a few spots where there's outright no citation, there's a number of spots where footnotes that seem to be more notes than references are used in place of referencing. My inclination is that WP:FACR #1c is not met in the article's current state. Hog Farm Bacon 04:02, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

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Cucklington

Cucklington is a village and parish in Somerset, England, situated on a hill 3 mi south east of Wincanton and 4 mi north west of Gillingham in the South Somerset district, near the Dorset border. The village has a population of 173.

The nearest railway station is in neighbouring Gillingham, Dorset. Trains run on the Exeter to Waterloo line.

History
The name Cucklington comes from Old English meaning the settlement of Cucola's people.

The parish of Cucklington was part of the Norton Ferris Hundred.

Shanks House has medieval fragments, but had major works in the 17th and 18th centuries, including refitting by Nathaniel Ireson. It has been designated as a Grade I listed building.

Governance
The parish council has responsibility for local issues, including setting an annual precept (local rate) to cover the council's operating costs and producing annual accounts for public scrutiny. The parish council evaluates local planning applications and works with the local police, district council officers, and neighbourhood watch groups on matters of crime, security, and traffic. The parish council's role also includes initiating projects for the maintenance and repair of parish facilities, as well as consulting with the district council on the maintenance, repair, and improvement of highways, drainage, footpaths, public transport, and street cleaning. Conservation matters (including trees and listed buildings) and environmental issues are also the responsibility of the council.

The village falls within the Non-metropolitan district of South Somerset, which was formed on 1 April 1974 under the Local Government Act 1972, having previously been part of Wincanton Rural District. The district council is responsible for local planning and building control, local roads, council housing, environmental health, markets and fairs, refuse collection and recycling, cemeteries and crematoria, leisure services, parks, and tourism.

Somerset County Council is responsible for running the largest and most expensive local services such as education, social services, libraries, main roads, public transport, policing and fire services, trading standards, waste disposal and strategic planning.

It is also part of the Somerton and Frome county constituency represented in the House of Commons of the Parliament of the United Kingdom. It elects one Member of Parliament (MP) by the first past the post system of election, and was part of the South West England constituency of the European Parliament prior to Britain leaving the European Union in January 2020, which elected seven MEPs using the d'Hondt method of party-list proportional representation.

Religious sites
The parish church of St Lawrence dates from the 13th century.

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Talk:Friuli-Venezia Giulia

Rebuttal to Bill Thayer
Bill, I am the "someone" who added links to ItalianVisits.com on the various Italian Regional sites - and I don't think I was commiting "link spam" or engaged in vandalism when I did so. ItalianVisits.com is a serious endeavour being undertaken by my daughter, Jesse Andrews, who for the past 2 years has been living in Praia A Mare, in the northwest region of Calabria. My other daughter, Arianna, is attending university at the University for Foreigners in Perugia, and also contributes to the ItalianVisits website when she can.

If you look at the section on Calabria, you will see how much work and effort has been put into cataloguing towns and villages that are virtually unknown to English-speaking people, whether they are travelers or tourists, or people who have a curiousity about the area. You will note, I hope, the abundance of wonderful photographs that compliment the text, and present our viewers with images that otherwise would not be available. Incidentally, you should also note the link to Wikipedia resources whereever and whenever there is material on Wikidpedia about a region, town or other locale. We are as committed to Wikipedia as you are.

Jesse has created a vessel into which more information is being added every day. I just spent 15 days in Umbria, for instance, and added pages for Perugia, Assisi, Spello, Bevagna, Gubbio and the Regional Park at Colfiorito. Other contributors, like Katherine Lavallee, have added information about other towns in Tuscany. Such contributions are solicited eagerly so that we can fatten the content on the site.

ItalianVisits.com is hardly a come-on for selling tour packages, although we are trying to attract people to "unknown" parts of Italy, and in so doing, get some business to those out of the way places for local restauranteurs, hoteliers, and others in the travel business. If you are aware of what is going on in Italy now, you will understand that the economy is depressed, owing largely to various difficulties it has and is facing as it tries to integrate with the EU, and as it attempts to compete in a global economy. So, having information for travelers can not be the sine qua non of "link spam". If you look at all the external links listed in the Umbria section of Wikipedia, a number of them are active promoters of travel to the Region. Even in the Sardegna section where you posted identical comments to the comments you made here there is a link to a site called ActivSardegna which promotes travel. Should all of these be removed? And if so, by whom and under what (hopefully) reasonably well-defined policy?

You can coin or use phrases like "link spam", and "cyber vandalism", or other terms of denigration, but I think you, and others who "worry" about Wikipedia, should be careful not to sit on Wikipedia with a holier than thou attitude, deleting other people's contributions, unless a more thorough investigation is done into the content, and sometimes into the motives and objectives of their creators. Many people spend a lot of time, money and energy trying to do good without much reward beyond the satisfactions it provides. This effort to "do good" is manifest on your site Bill, at least, so far as I can see, and I commend you for it.

I'm a bit more than a little chagrined about what you have done Bill, and about how you have characterized ItalianVisits, but I hope we can discuss this if you think I am making an untenable argument in favour of allowing us to post links to the IV website, without fear of having them removed by the over-zealous.

Regards Vian Andrews Vancouver, BC July 28, 2005

 * What? Stop picking on poor Bill. Maybe you are the very reason he does not contribute much any more. Seriously, I checked your daughter's site and there is absolutely no question about it, the site is a commercial and commercially oriented site. It sells tours and accomodations all over the place. Nice site by the way. Everyone, I suggest you check out the site and buy from the vendors, you are sure to get a good trip to Italy. There, is that what you wanted? However, putting this in here would clearly be against WP policy. WP does not take every contribution, no matter how good - only specific ones; namely, encyclopedic. Encyclopedias do not sell tours. I would suggest you ameliorate poor Bill by apologizing immediately, but that is only my personal opinion and has no place in WP, so I will not even mention it. Of course, YOU are not a vendor, only a champion come forth to defend your daughter's honor. Bye now.Dave (talk) 01:49, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Concerning the number of italian regions with administrative autonomy
In the article dealing with the regions of Italy in the english version of Wikipedia, five autonomous regions are mentioned. This very article, however, counts only four. Is someone perhaps forgetting about Aosta Valley, or excluding that region for some specific reason?

It is desirable that Wikipedia strives to accomplish a higher degree of mutual accordance and/or stringency of expression in this particular aspect, I would say.

JG, Gothenburg, Sweden, 26th of April, 2006

The cleanup tag
This was put on a few years ago. A lot of work has been done since then. Unfortunately the tag is so general I can't tell what needed to be cleaned up. All WP articles except for a few thousand of the very best need clean-up. There is nothing in the discussion. Therefore I am tentatively removing the tag. If you find something specific intolerable tag it or if you want a general tag put a section in here saying what. That's fair, don't you think? Of course all of us continue to clean these articles all the time. General tags like this hold up the works; nobody can tell when the work is complete. Ciao.Dave (talk) 01:39, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

 * I nowiki-ed the template above. RJFJR (talk) 19:41, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Spelling of the name of the region Friuli-Venezia Giulia
Hello, I want to draw your attention to the fact that the name of the Italian administrative region Friuli-Venezia Giulia was officially changed into Friuli Venezia Giulia in 2001. I have added this information to the article Friuli-Venezia Giulia an hour or so ago. As this name change affects a lot of other articles, I would like to ask how we should handle this... Best regards, berberandberber, Sept. 11 2014

That's not entirely true. In 2001 the name was changed only in one list of the Italian regions within the Italian Constitution, but the bill didn't mean to change this region denomination. In fact, in all other parts of the Constitution, where the region is mentioned, the old hyphenated denomination is still used (Friuli - Venezia Giulia), because all constitutional laws are at the same level of legislative hierarchy and a change in one constitutional article doesn't affect the entire Constitution, unless the change was meant to have such an effect, but this wasn't the case. Also, at the national level the old denomination is used. Sorry if it's a bit obscure, but I'm not a lawyer. I only tried to express the idea.

Best regards, PaoloZ, Dec. 21 2017

Requested move 5 May 2017

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No clear consensus. Oppose uncountered for about a week — Andy W. ( talk ) 05:42, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Friuli-Venezia Giulia → Friuli Venezia Giulia – The dashless form, official in Italian since 2001, seems to be prevalent in recent English literature as well. It's a bit hard to establish, but Gbooks search appears to slightly favor it. At the top of the Friuli-Venezia Giulia are mostly dashless English results. However, I grant that the dash-form beats the no-dash-form some 5:1 in ngram. No such user (talk) 12:29, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

 * I would add, moving to dashless form also has the advantage that we don't have to choose which dash to use. Currently, we have a hyphen, which does not seem kosher according to MOS:DASH. This looks like an equivalent of Minneapolis–Saint Paul, a union of two cities, requiring an n-dash? No such user (talk) 13:04, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

 * Oppose pending further evidence. The Italian Wikipedia article (which uses the hyphen, incidentally) notes in the following that usage is not clear cut: "L'art. 131 della Costituzione, nell'elencare le Regioni italiane, utilizza la dizione "Friuli-Venezia Giulia". Il trattino compariva altresì all'art. 116; la riforma costituzionale del 2001, tuttavia, nel riformulare la disposizione originaria dell'art. 116, ha pretermesso il trattino, utilizzando perciò la dizione "Friuli Venezia Giulia". Il trattino è venuto meno anche nello statuto della regione, il quale, in precedenza, faceva uso del medesimo segno di punteggiatura (cfr. Statuto speciale della Regione Friuli-Venezia Giulia). Nondimeno la Corte costituzionale, dinanzi a siffatta antinomia tra fonti equiordinate, di rango costituzionale, si esprime nei termini di "Friuli-Venezia Giulia" (cfr., da ultimo, la sent. Corte cost. 299/2013)."  —  AjaxSmack   00:36, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Hyphen, again
I've made the article internally consistent by using the n-dash throughout, since internal uniformity is regarded a virtue in Wikipedia, but I support omitting it (and the hyphen). I notice that the article on Italian Wikipedia now omits it, as do all the external links in our article, including the official sites. Vzeebjtf (talk) 07:01, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

 * I opened a requested move last year, but it did not gain consensus (and much interest). I suggest that you open another one following instructons at WP:RM. No such user (talk) 11:58, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

 * I should have written (above) that the article in Italian Wikipedia omits the hyphen in the body of the article (with a few exceptions), but the article has not been moved. Perhaps we can agree to eliminate it in the body of this article as well, while keeping it in the title, for now.Vzeebjtf (talk) 23:30, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

 * Please no. In principle, name of the subject in the article body should be the same as in the title. While it is not always strictly enforced, we should not violate it deliberately. I'm not even positive that it should be a ndash rather than a hyphen (per reasoning that it's a joint entity, as in Austria-Hungary).Britannica has the former but BBC the latter., your input would be welcome? No such user (talk) 14:05, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
 * The name changed in 2001, so our article should do so as well, unless English-language sources published after 2001 still use punctuation between these names with overwhelming consistency. Italian Wikipedia is irrelevant; Italian and English do not have the same punctuation conventions, and it.WP's style guide has no formal connection to that of en.WP.  Removing the hyphen here (and it clearly should be a hyphen not an en dash per MOS:DASH: "use a hyphen in compounded proper names of single entities: Guinea-Bissau ..., Wilkes-Barre") results in a name that has less historical/etymological meaning (i.e., that this is a merger of two previously separate jurisdictions), but that's a decision that was made in the real world, and it's not WP's job to force the real world to make more sense according to us. :-) If it were not for the official name change, I would strenuously oppose removing the hyphen as a loss of clarity, though.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  13:22, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I have to retract my comment in this. On a closer reading, this was a merger between Venezia Giulia and Friuli, so this should use an en dash if we keep punctuation in it. It is not like Guinea-Bissau (named two non-comparable things, the earlier nationa/regional name and the state's capital city), nor Wilkes-Barre (named after two individuals, not anything geographic at all). Looking at current usage, the commonness of either mark has declined a little, and we could possibly move it to Friuli Venezia Giulia after all. However, the name is actually clearer as Friuli–Venezia Giulia.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  12:30, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Support Vzeebjtf (talk) 07:03, 31 July 2018 (UTC) Fixed. Vzeebjtf (talk) 07:51, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Vzeebjtf: I'm afraid that you're wrong with that ndash, and User:SMcCandlish was wrong to change his mind about it. Please refer to Talk:Bourgogne-Franche-Comté: ndash should be used only in ad hoc conjunctions, and once the two items are merged into a single unit, as is the case here, hyphen is normally used. I'm not 100% positive myself, and some broader MOS discussion is maybe called for, but we need to check what the most prestigious English publications do about this and similar cases. No such user (talk) 21:12, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Britannica and Columbia use endash, but the most prestigious atlas is said to be The Times Comprehensive Atlas of the World, 14th edition, published in 2014, not available online. Perhaps someone will volunteer to visit a library for it. Or, we can wait until November 15, 2018, when the 15th edition will be published. Cheers! Vzeebjtf (talk) 11:55, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you. It's a food for thought indeed. But for the life of me I can't tell how and why they distinguish Rhône-Alpes, Bourgogne–Franche-Comté, Mecklenburg–West Pomerania, Friuli–Venezia Giulia and Austria-Hungary. It seems to depend on existence of spaces in a constituent, cf. Drobeta–Turnu Severin (ndash) and Cluj-Napoca (hyphen). No such user (talk) 11:07, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Upon further consideration, it does seem the Austria-Hungary example means a hyphen should be used here as well, does it not? Britannica seems to use an endash only when one of the constituents of the name includes a space (or its own hyphen), but WP:MOSDASH doesn't recognize such a distinction. Vzeebjtf (talk) 19:12, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I guess the question is whether we should abide by MOS:DASH and debate usage on that talk page, or ignore it in favor of other authorities. Vzeebjtf (talk) 04:50, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Re: "ndash should be used only in ad hoc conjunctions, and once the two items are merged into a single unit, as is the case here, hyphen is normally used." That isn't consistent with MoS, any style guide I've ever seen, or actual practice.  It would appear that Britannica uses a "en dash if there's a space, hyphen otherwise" rule, but that is not our rule, nor Chicago 's, or maybe anyone else's.  So, how they like the write Austria–Hungary is really irrelevant to how WP should write it; the two encyclopedias do not share a style guide, and we clearly have different, incompatible rationales on this particular punctuation matter.  In the end, it's important to remember that style is mostly arbitrary, and that it's the consistency that matters most: presenting readers with non-conflicting style from page to page, and preventing endless editorial bickering over the same trivia again and again.  No particular answer is "correct" in some objective sense, as if the gods handed us Commandments of Punctuation. Language just doesn't work that way.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  12:52, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm as descriptivist as one can be in matters of language, but styling is an issue of prescription. My statement that you quoted was more of thinking aloud than making a definitive assertion how we should do things. I agree that No particular answer is "correct" in some objective sense, but I still think that MoS is simply not clear about the issue, so it does not even have an answer how we should style Friuli-Venezia Giulia, and you have changed your mind yourself about the issue. I was hoping that there is some authoritative MoS out there (Chicago or whatever) whose recommendation we might follow and adapt, rather than engage in theological interpretation of vague examples in our MoS. No such user (talk) 13:22, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * "That isn't consistent with MoS…." What would be consistent with MoS? Vzeebjtf (talk) 15:02, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 3 March 2018

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. (closed by page mover) Simplexity22 (talk) 17:22, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Friuli-Venezia Giulia → Friuli Venezia Giulia – The official name changed in 2001. (The same request was made recently, and closed owing to lack of consensus, but there was very little interest; it's worth revisiting, I think.) Vzeebjtf (talk) 03:29, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

 * Oppose pending further evidence. The Italian Wikipedia article (which uses the hyphen, incidentally) notes in the following that usage is not clear cut: "L'art. 131 della Costituzione, nell'elencare le Regioni italiane, utilizza la dizione "Friuli-Venezia Giulia". Il trattino compariva altresì all'art. 116; la riforma costituzionale del 2001, tuttavia, nel riformulare la disposizione originaria dell'art. 116, ha pretermesso il trattino, utilizzando perciò la dizione "Friuli Venezia Giulia". Il trattino è venuto meno anche nello statuto della regione, il quale, in precedenza, faceva uso del medesimo segno di punteggiatura (cfr. Statuto speciale della Regione Friuli-Venezia Giulia). Nondimeno la Corte costituzionale, dinanzi a siffatta antinomia tra fonti equiordinate, di rango costituzionale, si esprime nei termini di "Friuli-Venezia Giulia" (cfr., da ultimo, la sent. Corte cost. 299/2013)."  —  AjaxSmack  00:51, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Translate, please. Vzeebjtf (talk) 03:58, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Here. —  AjaxSmack 04:06, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
 * If you speak Italian, would you please translate this into English? I'm afraid I don't understand Google. Thank you. Vzeebjtf (talk) 04:31, 4 March 2018 (UTC) If you don't know what it means, then you don't have an argument. And by the way, "pending further evidence" of what? Vzeebjtf (talk) 05:46, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

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 * Oppose. No case in terms of wp:AT. No relevant evidence provided despite repeated requests. The redirect will do fine for now. Andrewa (talk) 15:20, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose per AjaxSmack. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 16:31, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

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 * If we move this to anything, it should be Friuli–Venezia Giulia; my original comment in the thread above this was wrong, and I've corrected it. I had not noticed that this was an actual merger of two previous jurisdictions.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  12:31, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The use of en-dashes in Wikipedia is one of hundreds of "nerdish" innovations that have made editing a painful chore, and wasted countless hours of work and dispute by editors. One of the smartest ideas that Jim Wales had when he created this site was to standardize on straight quotes and apostrophes, rather than paired open-close quotes: because, for Wikipedia's goal, looks are totally not important, but ease of editing is crucial. Sadly, his vision has been lost over the years... The distinction between en-dash and hyphen is not part of the English language; it is a typographical convention that only printers, not writers, may care about.  It never existed in handwriting, even of most punctilious writers.  It did not exist during the 100+ years when the typewriter was the standard medium for formal writing. It is a safe bet that 99% of English speakers do not know the difference, and use hyphen when they type those compounds into computers. Why should Wikipedia waste their precious editor time with such pointless frills? Let's establish again that it legal to use hyphen instead of en-dash in any context, and (for ease of linking) let's use only hyphens in article titles. Please. All the best, --Jorge Stolfi (talk) 14:36, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 15 April 2019

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The result of the move request was: Moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) B dash (talk) 04:51, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Friuli-Venezia Giulia → Friuli Venezia Giulia – Since 2001, the official name in Italian is is without the hyphen. See the "Name" section in the article. Move is blocked by a redirect with no significant edit history. Jorge Stolfi (talk) 12:10, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 * This is a contested technical request (permalink). — Amakuru (talk) 12:15, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

 * Comment - the Italian article Friuli-Venezia Giulia uses a hyphen. Therefore listing this for discussion. — Amakuru (talk) 12:15, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Support but with trepidation. Apparently the regional government of Friuli(-)Venezia Giulia (FVG) had wanted to get rid of the hyphen (trattino) for some time, and had been doing so in its own publications. Finally on 2001-10-18, the Italian Parliament amended article 116 of the Italian Constitution that names the region as one of the five autonomous regions of Italy, and spelled the name without the hyphen.  There is no official indication of whether the omission was intentional, but the hyphen was retained for the "Trentino-Alto Adige" in the same article.  According to the discussion in the Talk page of the Italian WikiArticle, the regional government of FVG considers the omission intentional and superseding all other occurrences of the name in other articles of the Constitution that were not modified by that amendment:
 * [User Pierpao.lo, in 2011:] Il capo di gabinetto della presidenza della regione mi ha risposto via email puntualmente come da me richiesto (due volte) che l'art 2 della legge costituzionale 18 ottobre 2001 ha modificato la Costituzione. Si sono dimenticati dell'art. 117 ma poichè la stesura del nuovo articolo 116 e successiva al 131, in quanto novazione, va applicata anche al 131
 * "The Chief of Staff of the Presidency of the region replied to me in email pointedly as I requested (twice) that item 2 of the Constitutional law of 2001-10-18 [the amendment above] modified the Constitution. They forgot article 117 but since the writing of the new article 116 is more recent that the 131, being a new change, applies also to the 131" [my translation]
 * However, in 2015 one person posted on that Talk page to vehemently disagree about the removal of the hyphen, and accuses  member of Parliament Antonio Di Bisceglie (who claimed to be the one who asked for removal of the hyphen) of an "underhand coup" (colpo di mano) done without any forewarning to the public, or any announcement afterwards.  This commentator says that, since the Supreme Court of Italy still uses the hyphen in their documents, they have implicitly rejected the change. And we thought that Wikipedia had secured the gold for silly editorial battles. Anyway, it seems that some Italians are quite attached to the trattino, while some very much want to get rid of it.  Thus any choice will make some people unhappy. However, I would side with the No-Hyphen camp, because the Constitutional Amendment is clear and, as far as I know, was not re-amended or formally contested in any court.  I ascribe the continuing use of the hyphen by the Supreme Court and some other government bodies to inertia, and/or ignorance of the amendment, and/or criminal indifference towards that burning issue. If Wikipedia cannot avoid dislpleasing someone, it should at least try to do that while standing on the "right" side. All the best, --Jorge Stolfi (talk) 14:08, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 * PS: I thought that I had checked this Talk page, but somehow I missed the previous Move discussions that ended with "no move". Sorry. Anyway i still support the move.  --Jorge Stolfi (talk) 14:16, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 * PPS: While the Italian Wikipedia page has a hyphen in the article name and at the top of the geobox, it omits the hyphen in all occurrences of the name in the body of the article. The head sentence gives both versions, with a footnote summarizing the legal situation. Could it be that they just did not get around to moving the article, because of a blocking redirect -- as happened to me now? --Jorge Stolfi (talk) 14:56, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

 * Support Without punctuation, there is no need for concern over what the punctuation should be, hyphen or en-dash. It makes life simpler. Less is more. Vzeebjtf (talk) 19:12, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

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Post-move comment

 * 2 and a half years later, we still have Category:Friuli-Venezia Giulia and related sub-categories using the hyphenated name. 162 etc. (talk) 17:04, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Eminot?
Eminot? Vzeebjtf (talk) 00:21, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Please explain. --Jorge Stolfi (talk) 07:38, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 22 February 2022

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The result of the move request was: No consensus: I'm closing this as "no consensus" as the discussion in this RM doesn't appear to have produced a consensus on what is the best name to move the article to. I'll recommend further discussion to create a consensus on this issue. (non-admin closure) Spekkios (talk) 03:24, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Friuli Venezia Giulia → Friuli-Venezia Giulia – The region is commonly named this way, with the hyphen, as it includes two historically distinct entities, Friuli and Venezia Giulia. It is no surprise, that the it.Wikipedia article is named "Friuli-Venezia Giulia" and that all the largest Wikipedias (es.Wikipedia, pt.Wikipedia, fr.Wikipedia, de.Wikipedia, etc) feature articles on the subject with names including the hyphen. Checco (talk) 17:02, 22 February 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  06:42, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

 * Soft oppose I am not sure how "commonly" this region is named one way or another, but the official name recently changed, so the frequency of one name over the other might still depend on effects of the recent changes. Anyway the Region itself reports the name without the hyphen, as does the Italian Constitution, so given that this changes nothing in how the name is pronounced, I would go with the official spelling. Yakme (talk) 17:44, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Any look at books and newspapers, both in English and Italian (let alone other languages) include the hyphen. I am not sure that the official name was recently changed. Regarding the Italian Constitution (article 131), it depends from sources: take a look to the websites of the Italian Government, the Senate of the Republic, Chamber of Demputies and Constitutional Court: "Friuli-Venezia Giulia", as well as "Emilia-Romagna" and "Trentino-Alto Adige". Even the even article 1 of the Statute of the Friuli-Venezia Giulia reads "Friuli-Venezia Giulia". Another point is consistency with Emilia-Romagna and Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol. My argument is about the most common name, not just the official name, but, as we have seen, "Friuli-Venezia Giulia" is both the official and most common name of the subject. @User:Yakme: Would you reconsider your vote? --Checco (talk) 15:09, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Mh, actually all the sources you provided (except the Constitutional Court one) show the usage of "Friuli Venezia Giulia" without the hyphen. For the mentions in the constitution, the relevant article is article 116, where the autonomous regions are defined, so the correct link for the Senate version is this. So it is definitely not true that the official name is with the hyphen. Even the regional council statute is titled "Statuto speciale della Regione autonoma Friuli Venezia Giulia", how can you not see this and state the opposite? Yakme (talk) 15:29, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Please read the sources carefully. All the sources I mentioned have "Friuli-Venezia Giulia" in article 131, where regions are listed. Also, article 1 of the statute of Friuli-Venezia Giulia has "Friuli-Venezia Giulia". Those are the sources that count. Thus, "Friuli-Venezia Giulia" is mentioned in official sources also with the hyphen and it is clearly the most common name in all kinds of sources, from books to newspapers. --Checco (talk) 04:51, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I think that the only conclusion one can take from this is that even official sources use both spellings, as one can see from art. 116 vs art. 131 of the Senate source, or from the title vs art. 1 of the Regional Statute. So one cannot claim that official sources use the hyphen consistently, nor the opposite. See also the final paragraph of this article. Yakme (talk) 11:43, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Indeed, my first argument is most common name, the second officiality. --Checco (talk) 14:54, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

 * Consider an en dash: Shouldn't this construction properly use an en dash? Otherwise it looks like "Friuli-Venezia" and "Giulia". Laurel Lodged (talk) 18:05, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
 * It is better to use the standard hyphen, per official and most common mame. --Checco (talk) 15:09, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * In many contexts, people don't distinguish between hyphens and endashes. We do. HandsomeFella (talk) 20:31, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Agree that the en dash is correct in this context, by our practice and policy. Andrewa (talk) 18:03, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I am a fan of dash, but it would be wrong in this context because "Friuli-Venezia Giulia" is Italian, not English. --Checco (talk) 17:29, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * No, our article titles are all written in English. We only use phrases from other languages when that other language phrase is used elsewhere in English (or where there are no English sources, but that's not the case here). Italian practice is irrelevant, as is Italian Wikipedia. Andrewa (talk) 15:22, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

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 * Comment As I noted above, Category:Friuli-Venezia Giulia and related categories are currently inconsistent with the article name. Neutral on the move, but this is a good opportunity to fix that. 162 etc. (talk) 18:13, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Agree and this RM should be a precedent to fixing that whichever way it goes. Andrewa (talk) 18:03, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: See here for some preserved page history. And a history it is! Hopefully this RM will lead to stability. Lots of issues. Andrewa (talk) 18:06, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Indeed, @User:Andrewa. The article was long named "Friuli-Venezia Giulia" for a reason. --Checco (talk) 12:55, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
 * But not necessarily a good reason, or one that is still valid. Consensus can change. Andrewa (talk) 15:22, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: The modern region covers two historical regions, Friuli and Venezia Giulia. The situation is identical to another Italian region, Emilia-Romagna, which covers the two ancient regions of Emilia and Romagna. --Grufo (talk) 15:32, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Exactly, @User:Grufo! Are you willing to support moving the article back to its long-established name, "Friuli-Venezia Giulia"? --Checco (talk) 12:55, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't know enough the rules of English concerning this particular case (this is English Wikipedia after all). What I know is that it must be consistent with Emilia-Romagna. If there are exceptions in English concerning the cases in which one of the two names has a space (“Friuli” and “Venezia Giulia”), that I don't know. --Grufo (talk) 13:30, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

@User:Spekkios: The article was moved in 2019 without a strong consensus and contradicting the official sources, which use the "Friuli-Venezia Giulia" form, and WP:Most common name. Can you explain me why the wrongly-decided 2019 move should stay? --Checco (talk) 15:06, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

 * There was no conensus on what the article name should be. --Spekkios (talk) 05:19, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

 * And what about the current name, @User:Spekkios? A very weak consensus completey not supported by sources! --Checco (talk) 14:48, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

 * I could not find a consensus on what the article name should be. --Spekkios (talk) 22:22, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

 * Again, @User:Spekkios, the article was wrongly moved before (no consensus, no sources), thus it should be moved back to the established name, "Friuli-Venezia Giulia", which is supported by most official sources, as well as by the principle of most common name. --Checco (talk) 08:20, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
 * That isn't how it works. If there is no consensus in the move request then the current name stands until a consensus is found. I was unable to find a consensus in the move discussion, which therefore means the current name stands until a consensus is found. I am not the closer of any previous move request on this subject. If you disagree with my closure reasoning you are entitled to seek a move review. --Spekkios (talk) 11:06, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Appearance as such
I read:

OK, got it. Fine so far; however, the sentence continues:

Why "still"? -- Hoary (talk) 07:32, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't know. Surely, the region is mostly known as "Friuli-Venezia Giulia". And, also the Italian Constitution always refers to the region as "Friuli-Venezia Giulia". As I argued before, I believe that this article should be moved back to "Friuli-Venezia Giulia", which is both the official and the most common name. --Checco (talk) 12:48, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 15 November 2023
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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 (talk) 18:35, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Friuli Venezia Giulia → Friuli-Venezia Giulia – As anyone can see above, the previous three requested moves did not show strong support for the current name, "Friuli Venezia Giulia". After an interesting discussion on the issue at AutoWikiBrowser/Tasks, I am proposing once again to move the article back to its original and most common name, "Friuli-Venezia Giulia". Please note that "Friuli-Venezia Giulia" is not only the most common name, but also the official one. Indeed, the Italian Constitution mentions the region twice and in both cases as "Friuli-Venezia Giulia" (see articles 116 and 131). Moreover, all Italian laws mentioning the region refer to it as "Friuli-Venezia Giulia" (see here). These notably include the ongoing process of reviewing the regional statute (see here). Finally, the official version of the latter, according to the Italian Government, features "Friuli-Venezia Giulia" (see here) and, interestingly enough, also the regional council has the hyphen in its online (see articles 1 and the following). Moving the article back to "Friuli-Venezia Giulia" would match the names of the other two regions with composite names, Emilia-Romagna and Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol. The three regions are composed of two historically distinct entities, in our case Friuli and Venezia Giulia. It is no surprise then that the it.Wikipedia article is named "Friuli-Venezia Giulia" and that all the largest Wikipedias (es.Wikipedia, pt.Wikipedia, fr.Wikipedia, de.Wikipedia, etc.) feature articles on the subject with names including the hyphen. -- Checco (talk) 14:14, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

@User:DreamRimmer: Would you help me to fix this? I do not see it among Requested moves. --Checco (talk) 14:40, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
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 * Comment Following the conclusion of this RM, Category:Friuli-Venezia Giulia should be moved if necessary to be consistent with the article title. 162 etc. (talk) 16:45, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: We would need to use an en dash to join the two entities, per MOS:ENBETWEEN/MOS:DUALNATIONALITIES. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:21, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Sgubaldo (talk) 22:45, 15 November 2023 (UTC) — I would also ensure to keep the note that the usage of the hyphen is inconsistent, especially since the region's website doesn't actually use it. Sgubaldo (talk) 22:51, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nomination.--Autospark (talk) 17:55, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Redirects
These messages were originally posted on my talk page:
 * Hi, thank you for your work for "Friuli-Venezia Giulia". I would like to point out that you didn't insert the hyphen on all of them, for example on the Gemona del Friuli page I had to correct the error. JackkBrown (talk) 09:47, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I mean no disrespect, also because you're an excellent user, but a work cannot be started and not finished (this is the second "Friuli Venezia Giulia" I find, without a hyphen); it would have been better not to intervene and leave everything as it was. JackkBrown (talk) 15:46, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

I am answering here because the issue is of general interest. As far as I now, double redirects should be fixed (Double redirects), while there is no similar duty on redirects in general (Redirect). When one user moves an article and, by doing that, he/she creates double redirects, he has to fix them. In our case, I was the proponent of the move, but the move was decided through a Requested move, and, as far as I see, there are no double redirects pointing to this article. This said, despite redirects being acceptable in Wikipedia, it is my personal sensibility not to like them. I thus fix them when I find them and, in our case, I fixed selected instances. Most importantly, all articles, templates and categories featuring "Friuli Venezia Giulia" instead of "Friuli-Venezia Giulia" should be moved consistently to this article's name. I much appreciate what you have been doing, but, realistically, to fix all instances, we need a bot. I made a request at AutoWikiBrowser/Tasks, but my request was rejected. This said, I strongly disagree with you when you say that "it would have been better not to intervene and leave everything as it was". The main thing was to have the correct name, meaning the most common one and the official one, for this article, and I am glad that this article was finally moved back to its original name, "Friuli-Venezia Giulia". -- Checco (talk) 06:48, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * 51 pages remain, it's not difficult, could you help me? . JackkBrown (talk) 20:54, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I see 1,407 items, actually... Anyway, I will fix as much pages as I can. I already fixed much more pages than 51. --Checco (talk) 16:34, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Jonesey95 posted a reply containing the link I sent you, here: AutoWikiBrowser/Tasks. JackkBrown (talk) 16:54, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * By working through templates and fixing some selected articles, we are already down to 1,151 items from 1,407. --Checco (talk) 21:00, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * can we finish? In addition to User:Checco, are there other users interested in this work (for example User:Jonesey95 and User:Tom.Reding)? JackkBrown (talk) 13:16, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * This isn't worthwhile to me other than correcting the 31 templates. Every couple of years it gets moved to one form or the other.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  16:07, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * for the sake of consistency, we correct everything and on the Friuli-Venezia Giulia page we put a no-move notice. JackkBrown (talk) 16:29, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * do you have a diff? I don't see a no-move notice, sorry. Also, was there one present before the last move, and the move before that?  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  16:51, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * no, I mean that it should be placed. JackkBrown (talk) 16:53, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

 * @User:P1221: Thank you for your work! --Checco (talk) 05:44, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You're welcome P1221 (talk) 08:22, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * A (big) thank you from me too! JackkBrown (talk) 09:01, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

title: Talk:Friuli-Venezia Giulia