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Roddy Llewellyn
I noticed you listed Roddy Llewellyn as a candidate for speedy deletion. Fair enough, but a quick google search on the name would have turned up a bit about him that couldn't be gleaned from the article text. I'm just now stubbing it. Hope that's okay with you. Steve block talk 20:23, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Sounds great. Based on what was written, I thought he was just some gardener. Didn't know he was a famous gardener. :)--Howcheng 21:08, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

opinion needed
Hello, I noticed you made an edit to Philip J. Klass. I put up NPOV on the article. Could you give an opinion as to the NPOV? Thank you, Bubba73 03:40, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

Mr. Monk and the Wikipedia MoS
Thanks for doing some formatting on Mr. Monk and the Other Detective. If I might make a suggestion, could you please use sentence capitalization for article headings, per Manual of Style? In other words, the heading "Plot Synopsis" should be "Plot synopsis". Thanks for your help here. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 23:40, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Rent-a-Husband
I saw your vote on Votes_for_deletion/Rent-a-Husband and agree it looked bad, but Rent-a-Husband is a real movie that stars Brooke Shields, Maria Grazia Cucinotta and Chevy Chase. I rewrote the article into a stub, so you might want to take another look. DS1953 02:15, August 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * Nice work. I changed my vote. --Howcheng 15:32, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Surrender of Japan
Thanks for the compliment, but you're looking at another user's work. My contribution was a paragraph or two, but someone else was in the process of writing an article (offline) and posted it after I made a small expansion of the article. Much better than I would have done in a month, let alone during the few days that Votes for Deletion allows! Thanks for taking an interest in the article. Fg2 06:46, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

SoCal WikiProject
Since you are in Southern California, you might be interested in the Southern California WikiProject (and its parent California WikiProject). Please take a look a look at the project and see if there is anything that interests you. If you have any questions, please contact me.

On a related subject, I noticed on your user page that you were interested in MLS players. Awhile back I edited the player rosters for the two LA MLS teams, adding diacritics to their names if that was the way that the were spelled in the articles on them on the team's websites. I was immediately reverted. Apparently two of the editors who do most of the editing on MLS articles have decided, without any publicity or discussion with other Wikipedia editors, that any MLS player with US citizenship, even those who were born outside the US, should absolutely not have their names spelled with diacritics, either for the titles of the Wikipedia articles on them or for player rosters (even if the diacritics are only after the "pipe" and not the article title). I would be interested in knowing your opinion on this. Blank Verse  ∅  09:23, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

 * see C.D. Chivas USA page history and Talk:C.D. Chivas USA for the discussion. The long list of players on the MLS website has NO diacritics for any player. I couldn't find anything that seemed to be an "official" roster, and I couldn't find anyway to contact the MLS to clarify matters. Blank Verse  ∅  04:29, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Aarón López was born in Zapote de Parras, Michoacán. His birth certificate almost certainly had the diacritics. The non-accented name at UCLA can easily be explained away by lazy and/or clueless athletic staff members and sports reporters. Aarón probably appreciated joining C.D. Chivas USA, with staff members who cared about the diacritics and knew how to enter them on the computer, so that his name was restored to its original spelling. Even though he is now a US citizen, I think that his name should still be spelled with the diacritics. That's the way that it is on his page at C.D. Chivas USA (—in the text of the article, not the infobox, where nobody's name is spelled with a diacritic). My personal opinion is that the names should be spelled the way that person wants to spell it currently, no matter how it was spelled in the past. Blank Verse  ∅  03:44, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I liked your description of the soccer rivalries that you added to Los Angeles Galaxy, especially when compared to the hyperventilation that the anon wrote over in the Major rivalries article. If I had tackled the addition, it probably would have been written in ultra-cynic mode and been one of my rare violations of NPOV. Blank Verse  ∅  16:09, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

CA Historical Landmarks
I've made a few small style changes to the page in progress. I'm not sure when I'll get back to working on this, but I'll probably start from the end of the alphabet unless I get ambitious and tackle L.A. County. Mike Dillon 05:02, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

re: Redlinks on templates
Yes, a number of navigation templates have been deleted on TFD because they consisted of numerous redlinks. So there is currently an unwritten etiquette rule to not add an article until it has been created. However, infoboxes are a different story... Zzyzx11 (Talk) 05:38, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

The Greatest Show On Earth
Thanks for the update on the Premier League. When I first read it I suspected it was a marketing slogan, similar to the one used for hockey by the NHL in North America (The Coolest Game In The World). I was unable to find a reference for it but the original sentence was too POV. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather 07:07, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

List of California State Routes
Someone wants to convert this to a template so it wound up at Articles for deletion/List of California State Routes BTW this user was probably making a WP:POINT when he did this as he kept removing the TFD from WV Highways. --Rschen7754 05:30, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Barnstar

 * ''Moved to User:Howcheng

Jimbo Wales to Attend San Diego Meetup on October 18 2005
Hello, Jimbo Wales will be in San Diego to attend OOPSLA and has agreed to come by and visit with the San Diego wikipedians. If you are interested, you will find more info on my talk page. Johntex\talk 00:54, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Road stubs
All of the following made their way to WP:SFD:

 * Arizona State Route Stub
 * Kentucky State Highway Stub
 * Maryland-State-Highway-Stub
 * Massachusetts-State-Highway-Stub
 * Michigan-State-Highway-Stub
 * Missouri-State-Highway-Stub
 * Nevada-State-Highway-Stub
 * New-Hampshire-State-Highway-Stub
 * Nhroute
 * Washington-State-Highway-Stub

--Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 03:51, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

AfD voting
Please do not vote in AfDs that are already marked as closed. — J I P | Talk 17:35, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Neck and Neck
I don't think that one's nonsense, but it could have gone under A1 or the infrequent A4. Ëvilphoenix Burn! 01:57, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Salamis Glory
Hi Howcheng! I noticed this nomination, and thought I'd have a crack at improving it. I have rewritten the article from a cruise review to a cruise ship article. I am not entirely sure if the ships notability is great enough (my personal view is that cruise ships are inherently notable enough for articles, although I understand that many may disagree with me there), but I'd appreciate another look at it. Yours, Sjakkalle (Check!)  07:00, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Barnstar

 * ''Moved to User:Howcheng

AFD
Thanks for your comments Howcheng, the things you reference are guidelines, not policy. No part of AFD policy mentions notability. I think it is important to follow policy, I will, however, take another look at those articles. My comment primarily concerned the nomination though. I think it is important that poeple nominating something for deletion list a valid reason! Cheers! Trollderella 19:45, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Theodor Curtius
Would you please be so kind as to remove the Speedy Deletion notice from Theodor Curtius. It is explained on its talk page why your suggestion is erroneous. Wim van Dorst 21:43, 21 October 2005 (UTC).
 * The Talk page does contain explanatory info now, and the article has already undergone several edits, to mitigate any other copyright infringements appearances. Wim van Dorst 22:04, 21 October 2005 (UTC).

Articles for deletion/Tourettes guy
Hi Howcheng. Further to your suggestion at Articles for deletion/Tourette's Guy, I've also tagged Tourettes guy for deletion - just thought I'd let you know in case you wanted to vote there too... Regards, CLW 16:12, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Professor David Ashmead
''You noted that this listing had been orphaned (and I see how I forgot to put in the pg= parameter in the template), but there were five votes before your comment, so I'm wondering how they got there, especially as they're from users who are known to frequent AFD. I doubt they'd have found it just by accident... strange. Anyway, thanks for listing it properly. -- howcheng  [ talk • contribs • web ] 00:03, 26 October 2005 (UTC)''

 * They probably found it from its link from Articles for deletion/Calchas Street. —Cryptic (talk) 00:46, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Advertising vs Information
Sorry for the deletion of your comments on Avotone, I am new to Wikipedia and it will not happen again. I am just curious, what constitutes advertising vs. factual information? The article posted is written in a manner that is factual and informative for people looking for information about Avotone. True L’Oreal is more 'noticeable' than Avotone, but should that really matter? At what level do you become 'noticeable'? I commend you for your watchful eye over the information being posted on Wikipedia, but if L’Oreal can have a page, so should other companies, no matter what the size. If there is a problem with the facts posted on the Avotone page, I can understand, but there are thousands of people who have purchased Avotone products and they may want to know more information about Avotone and the history of the company.

Why is the article:Malevolent Alien Abduction Research being deleted ?
Why is that ? I'm also having a UFO Abductee look into this, and give his opinions as to make a sick article better. The intent of this is to provide information to people who has had a really nasty experience to report this without the often obscenity laced ridicule and/or insults, for people conducting research into these types of encounters. I hope I did'nt offend you.Martial Law 05:33, 27 October 2005 (UTC) :)

Done this. Reason is that it may serve as a source of information to both report hostile, often grisly alien encounters without the often obscenity laced ridicule,abuse and to provide a source of info. for sci-fi writers,etc.Martial Law 07:14, 27 October 2005 (UTC) :)

D'Agostini Winery
Sorry about that, it got mixed up with User:Markieg's edits in that category which were a mess. Looks good. Justinc 17:45, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Fair use of wikipedia
You had a question about Fair use on the copyright page, why dont we build it together?--Travb 23:29, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

See my conversations on the topic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Copyright_problems#Fair_Use_policy_.28moved_from_Jimbo.27s_talk_page.29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Copyright_problems/Header

Slobbery Jim
Howcheng,

I have rewritten the article so that it refers to the real life Slobbery Jim. I would be grateful if you could take a look. Capitalistroadster 10:11, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Meade Skelton
Hi howcheng,

Thanks for your message. Here is the recent deletion record of the article :

 * 16:30, 28 October 2005 Mailer diablo deleted "Meade Skelton" (db-repost)
 * 08:38, 27 October 2005 RHaworth deleted "Meade Skelton" (repost - see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Meade Skelton)
 * 16:52, 26 October 2005 Jni deleted "Meade Skelton" (repost of VfD deleted material)

In this case, I strongly recommend that you submit a Deletion review instead, as the AfD included votes from users citing non-notability and to address the repost clause.

- Best regards, Mailer Diablo 02:23, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

cc : There's an anonymous reply on my talkpage re: this. - Mailer Diablo 05:25, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Fisker
Howcheng, you have proposed Fisker for deletion. I have reworded the article. I also took the liberty to rename it to Fisker Coachbuild. I respectfully submit that your statement "New automobile company that hasn't launched any products yet." is not correct since two models seem to have been shown at the 2005 Frankfurt Motor SHow. You may wish to review your introductory statement. My purpose is not to lobbying you, but just to inform you of the update. Thanks. --Edcolins 09:18, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

AFD
Feel free to vote on the Frank Davis AFD as well. The anon creator has been manipulating both AFDs and has been deleting votes.Gator(talk) 18:09, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Klep dim Trep
Thanks! Still say delete. Bjelleklang -  talk 00:37, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for merging them all into one!--Isotope23 01:15, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

afd helper
I have built a script to speed up voting on AFDs and am looking for feedback. Please have a go! jnothman talk 03:25, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
 * In response to your comments on my user talk page, by in its own page, do you mean that I provide a frame that is consistently used, or do you mean that I just always use the same target, so it'll pop-up the first time and change the same page for future edits? I use Opera, so once it opens up, I just hit the 1 key and it moves back to the nominations listing, and I can make sure my vote was posted correctly later. Maybe this discussion should continue on the script's talk page. jnothman talk 09:31, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Shaquille O'Neal
Thanks for reverting the vandalism there just now. You beat me to it! :-) --Idont Havaname 00:32, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

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nn-band
I notice that you and some others have expressed that there should be a speedy tag for obvious nn bands and I could not agree more. Is there anything being done on this? What do you think of an nn-band template? Cheers. PJM 14:36, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Your idea about expanding CSD A7 is even better. Is this something you've formally proposed already or are planning to? I think it would really unclog AFD. PJM 17:40, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

AfD nominators
G'day Howard,

thanks for your note (that was fast!). Hmm, that note on the main AfD page is new. I didn't notice it last time I nominated anything (admittedly, it's been a while). I was told (not long before you replied) that the practice arose because certain admins weren't counting the nomination as a full-bore vote. Frankly, this strikes me as exceedingly obnoxious: it's the nominator's job to put up a convincing case for deletion, not to vote himself. Oh, well.

Thanks for pointing this out to me. --fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 20:33, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Apologies for falling silent, despite your reply. I tend to forget things if I don't get onto them pretty quickly.  If you're interested in the rest that User:Chairboy and I have had to say, please see User talk:Chairboy.  Cheers, fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 18:46, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

CSD A7 expansion
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this looks like the right place to make the proposal: []. PJM 21:20, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Great. I added my thoughts already. PJM 22:06, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Bret Harte Middle School
Unfortunately the radical inclusionists refuse to accept even even firsthand knowledge of a subject's non-notability. Gazpacho 07:08, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Re : Closing unvoted AFD discussions
Hi Howcheng,

OK, will do so the next time round. ;)

- Cheers, Mailer Diablo 14:10, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Fir e  Fo  x RFA

Thanks for your support on my request for adminship.

The final outcome was (96/2/0), so I am now an administrator. If you ever have any queries about my actions, please do not hesitate to contact me. Again, thanks! Fir e Fo  x  18:54, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

List of Jewish Fellows of the Royal Society
List of Jewish Fellows of the Royal Society is another pointless list that has sprung up like the French and Russian Academy of Jews lists. This one was already voted for deletion but ended in a draw for some reason. I'd like to reopen it for deletion but don't know how to do it correctly (I'm new). I'm wondering if you could help me. Thanks for any response. 72.144.147.76 20:28, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

It's not too early, because there was no consensus. Rules state that if there is no consensus one can be instated shortly afterwards using this template:  This article is being considered for deletion for the 2nd time in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy.

Please share your thoughts on the matter at this article's entry on the Articles for Deletion page.

You are welcome to edit this article, but please do not blank this article or remove this notice while the discussion is in progress. For more information, particularly on merging or moving the article during the discussion, read the Guide to Deletion.  Maintenance Use Only: {{subst:AfDx|2nd}} {{subst:afd2|pg=|text=}} {{subst:afd3|pg= (2nd nomination)}} [ log] {{subst:afd top}} {{subst:afd bottom}}

Your vote on AfD/False Doppler
I just added some lengthy commentary to the AfD/False Doppler page. You may wish to take a look. It is hopefully illuminating. → Ξxtreme Unction { yak yak yak ł blah blah blah } 01:02, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the Barnstar
It's my first bit of acknowledgement from a fellow Wikipedian. An honor. Thanks sincerely. → <font color=#ff0000>Ξxtreme Unction { yak yak yak ł blah blah blah } 19:18, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Jewish lists
Hi, Jewish people are a diaspora and ethnicity just like African Americans. If you do not think that African American lists should be deleted then please change your vote on these lists. Arniep 18:35, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Re: RyanVG
Done. Denelson83 20:26, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Tolyatti

Romanization and Spelling Nonsense
Why Wikipedia "rules" of Romanization of Russian Cyrillic are not based on accepted rules of transliteration such as GOST or ISO but are pure Americanized schizophrenia, and wtf is Tolyatti, which in the German Wikipedia becomes preposterous Toljatti ? The name of the city is Togliatti, not how it some naturalized American may hear it phonetically. Why not then spell Cologne as Kyoln in the English Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.55.138.7 (talk) 11:59, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, it's complicated. See the move discussion below. Thinking that it's not complicated but is simply a matter of your belief versus the obviously-wrong belief of morons and montebanks probably isn't the best way to approach fraught and complicated issues, I think -- here, or in life generally. Herostratus (talk) 13:32, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Old talk
Which is the official spelling of the town in the Latin alphabet -- Tolyatti or Togliatti? I've seen both...

"Togliatti", because it's named in honor of Palmiro Togliatti. "Tolyatti" would be re-transcription into latin, thus wrong. 80.66.66.217 05:03, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

"Togliatti", see the road sign on the way to the city Milenkov
 * A road sign only proves this spelling is the preference of the locals. Wikipedia is not guided by the preferences of the locals.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 27, 2010; 21:00 (UTC)

 * I am from Togliatti / Togliatty / Tolyatti ! As a citizen I may say that it does not matter how you will write it in English. But usually we use TOGLIATTI on our road signs.--VzZzA (talk) 17:55, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Stary/Novy gorod
Here are some examples of such kind of district names usage:
 * - Samara region public transportation encyclopedia
 * Город имеет весьма специфическую структуру, представляющую собой три обособленных района, разделенных обширными лесными массивами и связанных между собой двумя-тремя дорогами. Фактически это три отдельных города, живущих каждый своей жизнью и в некоторой степени независимых друг от друга.
 * ''Центральный район, или Старый Город, расположен на возвышенности, в 4 км от берега Волги.
 * Автозаводский район, или Новый Город, находится в 10 км к западу от Старого Города.
 * Автозаводский район, или Новый Город, находится в 10 км к западу от Старого Города.
 * Автозаводский район, или Новый Город, находится в 10 км к западу от Старого Города.

 * - About:Tolyatti, RBC Realty.
 * Административным центром Тольятти является Центральный район или так называемый "Старый Город". Здесь размещаются большинство городских учреждений, банков, культурных заведений.

 * - Moi Krug forums: a random topic about Tolyatti
 * Тольятти прелестный город - с ним связаны только теплые воспоминания. А еще довольно необычно все, вплоть даже до мелочей - Старый город, Новый город...

How more do you need? xyzman 20:58, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * That would be quite sufficient. Thanks for taking time to look this up!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 21:44, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * You're welcome ;) xyzman 22:22, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Spelling
"Tolyatti" is the wrong transcription! 'Togliatti only!!!!' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.64.5.139 (talk) 11:34, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Would you care to cite some sources confirming your statement that "Tolyatti" is a "transcription" and that it is "wrong"?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:47, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Would Office of Mayor be a proper source of this? Any educational institutions and companies which are named after the city and use Togliatti in their names? Check external weblinks. I do not think that Wikipedia should be a source of misspellings. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Milenkov (talk • contribs)
 * This is not a "misspelling" by any means. If you look diligently enough, you'll discover that both spellings are used fairly equally.  The reason why our article uses "Tolyatti" and not "Togliatti" is in our guidelines for romanization of Russian names (including place names).  The romanization of place names is based on the BGN/PCGN romanization of Russian—a system developed for use in the English language specifically to address the romanization of Russian toponyms.  With that in mind, there is nothing unusual with use choosing "Tolyatti" to refer to the city but still retain the "Togliatti" spelling to refer to the organizations located in that very same city.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 27, 2010; 13:57 (UTC)
 * The BGN/PCGN romanization of Russian does not apply here, because the name of the city is nothing to do with Russian language. It is of Italian origin. That is why it is used in 'Togliatti' way in OFFICIAL sources. Milenkov
 * What applies here is WP:RUS, which is based on BGN/PCGN. And are you joking when saying that a name of a city in Russia has nothing to do with the Russian language?  "Togliatti" is, of course, an Italian word, but "Тольятти" is a Russian word (meaning both the person and the city), and "Tolyatti" is the romanization of that Russian word as applied to the city (but not to the person, or to other entities, all of which need to be reviewed individually).  As far as the romanization of place names goes (be it the Wikipedia's guidelines or the original BGN/PCGN), the origins of a name do not matter the slightest.  What matters is how the word is written in the language of origin.  That's simply the way romanization works, and that's exactly why we do the things the way we do and not differently.  Wikipedia is not in the business of inventing rules; whenever possible, we look at the rules used in the real (and English-speaking) world and borrow them.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 27, 2010; 14:59 (UTC)
 * Whether you like it or not, but the official name of the city is Togliatti (borrowed from Italian). Double-check the OFFICIAL way of spelling the city's name (see the Office of Mayor as a guidance, Russian Post, or documents of twin cities: Wolfsburg or Piacenza). Of course, Wikipedia may reinvent the wheel and to Romanize this Roman word in a brand new way: Tolyatty, Toliatti, Toljatti, Toliatty etc. However, it kills credibility of Wikipedia articles big time. Milenkov
 * The only official name of the city is "Тольятти" (in Russian). There are multiple ways of how that official name can be romanized; the one English Wikipedia standardizes on is BGN/PCGN-based.  If the city officials want to use something different, it's their full right to do so.  Their choice, however, has no effect whatsoever on our practices and guidelines—we tend to stick with industry standards and English usage; our goal is not to cater to Italian tourists or whatever.  I don't see how sticking with industry standards "kills Wikipedia credibility".  Inventing own standards, however, very much does so.
 * At any rate, why pick on us? Why not, say, write a letter to Britannica and berate them for following industry standards?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 27, 2010; 15:41 (UTC)
 * Sticking to wrong name of the city it never had is the best way to damage the quality of the article. Togliatti is the name used as the official name whether Wikipedia editors like it or not. At least, this is the name used in the international agreements and contracts, English-language books and so on. It is a bit too late to change it to Tolyatti or any other way. It had to be done 50 years ago. You may keep vandalizing this article, but Togliatti will retain its proper name: Togliatti. Milenkov
 * I am sorry, but you are yet to explain why the currently used name is "wrong". The facts certainly don't support that theory—we have major encyclopedias, a great number of maps, and a considerable amount of literature all sticking to this supposedly "wrong" name.  Note that not once had I called the "Togliatti" variant "wrong"—it is equally correct.  It is just not the variant we use to standardize on.  Just as we do not standardize on GOST 16876-71, or ISO 9, or ALA-LC, we don't take into account the "origins of a Russian name"—doing so, in fact, would undermine the very standardization efforts we are trying to encourage and promote the anathema of original research.
 * Furthermore, you don't seem to understand what an "official name" is. Contrary to what you believe, it is not the spelling used on the English version of the official site.  Consider this—if they were to make a typo in the name on the official website, would we be obliged to use it nevertheless?  What if they switch their preference later on; should we be tracking it and move our articles accordingly?  What if the English version of the website is taken down, what are we to do then?
 * Like I mentioned above, the only "official name" the city has is "Тольятти". Russian is the only official language in Samara Oblast, so by definition there can't be any other "official names" in any other languages.  What they use on their English website is a conscious choice of one of the spellings in use, but it by no means has any official status.  Not that we would be required to use it even if it did—the article about Kiev, for example, is still where it is regardless of "Kyiv" being the "official English spelling endorsed by the Ukrainian government".  This is because we use conventional English names first, and when there are multiple conventional variants in use (like with Tolyatti/Togliatti), we use the one which is closest to the industry practices.  In this case, those practices happen to favor "Tolyatti".  As for the alternative spelling, it is prominently featured in the lede and is incorporated into the system of disambigs/redirects to cover all contingencies; just how it should be.  And please don't throw vandalism accusations around so easily—it will not help move your point across, and I thought we are trying to have a productive discussion here, not a pissing contest of who can revert more stuff or throw more insults at the opponent?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 27, 2010; 16:42 (UTC)
 * To me, the official name is the name used in the the documents issued/endorsed by authorities (official websites, agreements, maps, passports). Books by Gorbachev (No.1 person in the country in his time) seem to me quite an official source as well (as they are translated with the highest degree of accuracy). Bilateral agreements between countries may also be a good way to learn which name is official (Togliatti) and which one is just a misspelling (e.g. Tolyatti or Toliatty, although they sometimes used by mortals). Official names of state-run institutions (e.g. universities) are also an indicator. How would you place Togliatti State University into the city of Tolyatti? Prove that you are right by showing some examples of that degree of confidence (not a home-drawn 'map' or Facebook profile, please). If you want to use an alternative way of spelling Togliatti everywhere, prove your point, please. It may at least somewhat justify Tolyatti as an alternative spelling and not as a pure spelling error.Milenkov
 * As a food for thought, Wolfsburg, Piacenza and Colmar do believe that their twin city is Togliatti and not Tolyatti. Prince Michael of Kent did visit Togliatti and received visits from Togliatti and not Tolyatti. Do you think that they are also wrong because those lazy b...s did not read a brilliant Wikipedia article on Tolyatti?Milenkov
 * But see, that's the thing—what is an obvious choice to you, is not necessarily an obvious (or even valid) choice to someone else. Considering that "someone else" include BGN & PCGN—two high-profile bodies that developed the most commonly used Russian romanization system to be used specifically in the English-language official publications—I'd side with them over you any time.  On your other points—try framing them in terms of Kiev/Kyiv in your head, and things should immediately get clearer.  Bilateral agreements using the "Kyiv" spelling exist as well.  Ukrainians tend to use "Kyiv" on their official websites in English.  Some western sources adopted the spelling also.  The spelling itself is correct.  But, so is "Kiev".  Now replace "Kiev" with "Tolyatti" and "Kyiv" with "Togliatti".  See?  Local preferences, no matter how strong, do not override the predominant practices used in the English language.
 * Regarding "Togliatti State University" (1), I see no more problem of using it than I have with saying that "the city of Tolyatti (2) was named after Palmiro Togliatti (3)". The first is the name of the organization (outside of scope of BGN/PCGN, and falling neatly under the "conventional names" clause of WP:RUS), the second is the name of the city, and the third is the name of a person, who is, of course, known in English under his Italian name.
 * On Wolfsburg, Piacenza and Colmar, those are places in Germany, Italy, and France. The spellings they would use come from the German, Italian, and French languages.  I know neither of these three languages well, which is why I don't go into the German, Italian, and French Wikipedias and tell them how they do everything wrong and should be doing everything the way I like/think is right.  With English, all three cities have the same variety of options to choose from as do the people in charge of the English version of Tolyatti's official website—they can use any of the Russian romanization systems in existence or go with an alternative conventional name if that suits them so.  With us, since this is the English Wikipedia, only the practices used in the English language matter.  How can that not be obvious?
 * Lastly, please note that I don't have to "prove" anything to you (and hey, the Britannica link wasn't "proof" at all? Do you think I faked "homebrewed" it or something?).  I am merely enforcing what our own guidelines say we should be doing.  The guidelines had been reviewed by the community and adopted as acceptable (and trust me, the Tolyatti issue did come up).  If you disagree with my interpretation of the guidelines, please feel free to open a request for comment.  If you disagree with the guidelines themselves, please feel free to develop an alternative system or an amendment to the existing system and present it to the community for discussion/possible adoption.  If you merely want to see this particular article under a different title, go ahead, file a move request (in fact, I strongly encourage you do so, for whatever the outcome, it'll free up my time by making it unnecessary to ever argue over this again) and make your point.  Whatever you do, however, don't try to re-introduce the spelling you seem to so strongly prefer.  There is nothing wrong with being bold and making a change, but you should resort to discussion and proper procedural channels when your change is reverted (see WP:BRD).  Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 27, 2010; 18:21 (UTC)
 * Britannica is a bright idea. If you rely on Britannica to that extent and you are ready to override an official and the most common way of calling the city, you have to scrap your own comments above and to rename the city to Tolyattigrad. Hey, this is what Britannica suggests, isn't it? It's not all. I do suggest you changing Moscow to Moskva and Saint Petersburg to Sankt-Peterburg in a matter of urgency. This is what "right" romanization suggests, isn't it?Milenkov
 * Oh, please; Britannica is just one example. It is, however, worth remembering that Britannica, like us, is also an encyclopedia, and, naming-wise, they are facing the same problems Wikipedia does.  Common sense should tell you that people writing treaties, press releases, and official websites have completely different goals from those of the academia and Wikipedia.  A simple trip to a library will show you that Britannica is far from being alone on that stance.  Or do a simple search on google books—are you going to dismiss every single use there as easily as you did with Britannica and continue calling "Tolyatti" a "misspelling"?  Face the facts already!
 * On the rest of your "points", there's no need to be facetious—that's not what our romanization guidelines suggest at all (which you could learn firsthand if you read them). "Moscow" is a conventional name (as per that very same WP:RUS' definitions) way outside of the gray area Tolyatti finds itself is, and so is "Saint Petersburg".  My good ol' Geographica atlas, for example, does list conventional names along with BGN/PCGN romanization—it has "Moskva (Moscow)" and "Sankt-Peterburg (St. Petersburg)".  As for Tolyatti?  It's just "Tolyatti".  Apparently "Togliatti" wasn't deemed conventional enough to warrant inclusion.  It is not our right to override experts' conclusions.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 27, 2010; 20:12 (UTC)
 * I think that enough was said. There is no need to invent the city a better name than it has now. Wikipedia does not seem to be the best place for toponymic mess. The official, most commonly used and, therefore, conventional name (as per WP:RUS' definitions), unsurprisingly, is Togliatti. Therefore, I am moving the article to 'Togliatti'.Milenkov
 * Sorry to break it to you, but that's not how WP:RUS defines "conventional name" at all (and it covers situations like those with the oxforddictionaries link, by the way). It's how you define "conventional name".  Please by all means file a move request, but don't move the article yourself—that will be classified as disruption.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 27, 2010; 21:00 (UTC)
 * WP:RUS: A conventional name of a place is the name listed in major English dictionaries and should be preferred over default romanization at all times. Clarifications - if a dictionary lists several variants of the name, use the main one. In the particular case, Togliatti is the main variant + it is the name listed in major English dictionaries.Milenkov

This being the first time I've seen this article, I had always seen the city referred to as "Togliatti" (compare on Google Books and Google Scholar). However, Britannica and Columbia both use "Tolyatti". Olessi (talk) 14:57, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I know, that was the point all along :) As per WP:RUS, when alternative (and fairly equally used) spellings exist, the one that's closest to WP:RUS should be used as the title.  "Tolyatti" is quoted as a specific example.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:03, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

The one that is spelled most commonly in English should be used as per wiki policy; see Kiev or Gomel for example. I say this page should be re-named.--Львівске (talk) 16:01, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The overall usage of "Tolyatti" and "Togliatti" in English is more or less equal, with "Tolyatti" being a prevalent variant when referring to the modern city (as opposed to the city in, say, WWII context). Additionally, as this is a geographic name, using the romanization which is closest to BGN/PCGN romanization of Russian makes more sense.  Policy-wise, WP:RUS is a guideline guiding this exact issue (did you get a chance to see the comments above?)  With all that in mind, I see no need for renaming.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:18, June 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Equal? Prevalent? Which WII context? Would you be able to substantiate your points?—Milenkov
 * FYI, you are responding to a year old comment. I don't have my notes from last summer, but I actually went to my local library and pulled whatever I could find about the city.  In the WWII context (such as books about the Eastern Front, but not necessarily about the city), the books I found tended to refer to the city as "Togliatti".  In more modern context (general reference, economic reviews, doing business, touristy stuff, etc.), the "Tolyatti" spelling was more common.  All in all, the usage levels were comparable.  A basic google books research will also show that both spellings are used fairly equally—if you don't forget that the "Togliatti" search will be statistically skewed because it refers to both the city, the person, and the organizations using it in their name, as well because this spelling will be used alongside "Tolyatti" to explain the origins of the name; whereas "Tolyatti" refers predominantly to the city only.  And as to what should be done when multiple spellings compete for the "title" of the "conventional English name", this is aptly explained in the comments to the RM nomination below.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 30, 2010; 15:59 (UTC)
 * I see. The problem (with WWII context) is that the city was named Togliatti in 1964. Furthermore, Google Books search on "Togliatti Volga -Tolyatti" returns 2730 hits, while "Tolyatti Volga -Togliatti" returns only 413 hits. "City of Togliatti" returns 253 hits, while "city of Tolyatti" returns 32 hits. I do find "Tolyatti" very far from being prevalent, or even close in usage to "Togliatti".—Milenkov
 * On the first point—many books on WWII were written after 1964; are you surprised they would give the new name alongside the old name? On the second point, you seem to be making a common mistake of counting raw hits instead of looking at the types of results, as well as completely ignoring my point on the reasons why the data will always be skewed towards "Togliatti"—kind of important in this case!  See WP:SET for more details.  When you properly discount for these factors, you'll see the levels of use to be much more comparable.  Not that it matters—as our guidelines (for very good reasons) explicitly favor one type of sources (reference/industry standards) over anything else, no amount of that "anything else" can override it.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 30, 2010; 16:59 (UTC) 16:59, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You did not read my response well enough. I do suggest you reading Wikipedia's WP:COMMONNAME as well. I would encourage you to demonstrate your results in search engine test. As for the quality, enough media links were given in RM. —Milenkov
 * As the person contesting both the current choice of the title and the guidelines, it is your job to do the demonstration. You've done an admirable job of collecting a wild variety of links of all kinds, but you have not demonstrated how they override the existing guidelines in any way, shape, or form.
 * Let's start with COMMONNAME, just as you have suggested. As per the Common names section of that guideline, [a]rticles are normally titled using the name which is most commonly used to refer to the subject of the article in English-language reliable sources.  "Reliable source", as per WP:RS, include the opinions of reliable authors, and not the opinions of Wikipedians who have read and interpreted primary source material for themselves.  That's already a good hint about the unacceptability of search engine tests as primary tools of establishing anything, isn't it?  Anyway, let's go on.  WP:COMMONNAME refers editors to the WP:EN "use English" guideline with regards to foreign names and anglicization.  The first line of WP:EN declares that [t]he title of an article should generally use the version of the name of the subject which is most common in the English language, as you would find it in reliable sources (for example other encyclopedias and reference works) [emphasis mine—Ё].  Further on, WP:UE states that [i]f one name is clearly most commonly used in the English-language references for the article, we should probably use it.  On that point, I do not believe that a skewed count of raw hits for "Togliatti" that by a rather questionable margin prevails over the count of "Tolyatti" in the aforementioned "other encyclopedias and reference works" constitutes a "clearly most commonly used name".  So, we have several variants to choose from.  The "Divided usage" section of WP:EN first warns editors about the risks associated with relying on search engine tests too much, and then advises them to consult reliable works of general reference in English (here goes "general reference" again).  But that's not all.  Another applicable guideline in this case is WP:NCGN naming conventions for geographic names.  It nods back to the COMMONNAME and EN guidelines I've just covered, lists English-language encyclopedias at the very top of the list of sources to check to establish the widely accepted name, notes BGN separately, warns yet again about the search engine test peculiarities, and then, for Russia, describes the naming scheme to use for the toponyms and refers to WP:RUS for further instructions.  Now, which specific part of all these guidelines makes you believe that it is OK to run a google books search, pick the variant with the most hits, and declare it a sure winner?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 30, 2010; 18:21 (UTC)
 * The discussion is going in circles. Wikipedia is not about somebody's personal beliefs, it is supposed to be about facts. You made the point that "Tolyatti" is used quite equally (or even prevalent) with/to "Togliatti" which would provide some ground for not using WP:COMMONNAME. Sources in public domain demonstrate the opposite (see RM below). Would you be able to substantiate your findings to turn beliefs into facts?
 * The discussion is going in circles because you keep ignoring every argument and just keep parroting "prove it prove it prove it" regardless of what I say. The write-up above is not about "personal belief"; it is what the guidelines actually say.  It is my responsibility to know what the guidelines say and mean.  Plus, anyone can easily verify all those "reference works" the guidelines keep emphasizing—I have already supplied a few and see no reason to keep re-posting them.  The guidelines clearly favor the spelling used by the reference materials, then the BGN usage, then anything else.  Go ahead and plug either "Togliatti" or "Tolyatti" into the "name" field of this form.  Any question as to what BGN prefers?  Any doubts about the importance of the BGN conventions in the English language?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 1, 2010; 13:53 (UTC)
 * BTW, GeoNames prefers "Tol'yatti" (and not "Tolyatti" at all). However, WP:COMMONNAME is not all about what GeoNames prefers. It is focused on common use (all reputable sources may count, including dictionaries, reference books and media sources). It specifically says: "Articles are normally titled using the name which is most commonly used to refer to the subject of the article in English-language reliable sources. This includes usage in the sources used as references for the article.". The problem with this discussion is that you keep believing in your top-secret findings which I do find very difficult to verify. — Milenkov
 * Had you read our guidelines carefully, you would have understood why apostrophes are normally omitted. WP:RUS is a simplified version of BGN/PCGN; the community was well-aware of and OK with that when the guidelines were being adopted.  On your second point, way to see the parts you like and ignore the parts you don't!  Go-go cherry-picking!  Please refer back to my guidelines walkthrough above—that's the big picture.  In case you are still not seeing it→[t]his includes usage in the sources used as references for the article→they are included (i.e., not at all ignored) in the overall assessment→but since reference works have higher priority (per our own multiple guidelines)→they override the sources used as references for the article→in no small part because references using the "Tolyatti" spelling can easily be found as well.
 * Finally, on the "top-secret findings", I am seriously starting to question your good faith here. You obviously did a lot of googling around (for what that's worth)—are you saying you haven't seen any sources which were at odds with your point of view or that every single source you found was dismissible?  I find that very hard to believe.  Anyone can plug both values into the search engine and see the usage distribution, and anyone who actually cares about the integrity of their research (or at least understood WP:SET) would look at the sources returned, not at the raw number of hits.  The tools are all thataway; I see no reason to litter this page with links which anyone can so easily find and assess independently.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 1, 2010; 16:50 (UTC)
 * Anyway, as a gesture of good faith, I supplied an ample number of "top secret" links in the RM section below. I tried to arrange them so they would nicely balance your findings.  You now owe me one hour of life which I have just wasted on demonstrating the obvious.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 1, 2010; 18:56 (UTC)

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not moved, per the unassailable reason and logic presented by Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?. Born2cycle (talk) 01:46, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Requested move
Tolyatti → — To bring the article's name in line with the official, most commonly used and conventional name (as per dictionaries): Togliatti. This is also aimed to match conventional names of public institutions and companies in the city which deem "Togliatti" as the only proper way to spell the city's name. Tolyatti would be stated as an alternative spelling in the body of the article. User:Milenkov 22:08, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

 * Support. The original source spelling, Togliatti, seems to be used more widely in English sources than the transliteration.  Check the English external links from the article (government, universities, press releases, &c.).  —   AjaxSmack   03:04, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Question. Would you support moving Kiev to "Kyiv" for exactly the same reasons?  Because in that case it was not enough, and the abundance of the "English external links" in that case is much more pronounced than with Tolyatti/Togliatti.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 28, 2010; 16:11 (UTC)
 * I was treating this sui generis. I'll deal with the Kiev issue if it makes its way to WP:RM.  —   AjaxSmack   02:56, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, fair enough. However, I would like to point out that local usage does not trump established language-specific practices when establishing what an article's title should be.  That's one tenet on which our guidelines (from WP:NCGN to WP:RUS) are built.  Do you believe those guidelines should not matter in this particular case?  If so, why?  I'm just trying to understand the logic behind your vote.  Thanks.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 29, 2010; 18:04 (UTC)
 * I wasn't applying logic and I wasn't aware that it was required. I agree that, usually, "local usage does not trump established language-specific practices" and I have opposed using it in other cases in the past.  However, this city's name has a unusual derivation and English usage of "Togliatti" is very wide.  Using the common English form is compatible with both WP:NCGN and WP:RUS.  —   AjaxSmack   02:16, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * But how can it be compatible with WP:RUS, when that guideline explicitly recommends another (and also widely used) spelling over this (and cites this very article as an example)? It's not compatible with UCN either, because both spellings are common, and in such cases the UCN goes down the line to WP:NCGN and ultimately to WP:RUS: out of several spellings which can reasonably be claimed as "common", we choose one that follows BGN/PCGN guidelines closer.  You don't seem to deny it, yet your choice is still that of a local preference?  That's the part I don't understand.  If you are just going with a gut feeling, I'd appreciate it if you said so.  Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 30, 2010; 15:02 (UTC)
 * I'm not basing it on a gut feeling but on common English usage à la Moscow, St. Petersburg, or Kronstadt. See the copious citations below as well as the external links of the article for evidence.  —   AjaxSmack   01:41, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Did you get a chance to read the guidelines walkthrough in the section above? Application-wise, are there some parts you disagree with?  The citations below are being neither contested nor dismissed; what is contested is the unwarranted precedence they are being assigned.  Sorry if this seem as too many questions, but I'm only trying to understand the rationale.  Thanks.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 31, 2010; 13:30 (UTC)

 * N.B.: The city was referred as "Togliatti" in the officially endorsed publications (Mikhail Gorbatchev's speeches or USSR news digests) and scientific press. Therefore, "Togliatti" is commonly used in the UK/US press (The New York Times, BBC, The Economist, Financial Times, BusinessWeek, The Time, The Wall Street Journal, Forbes, The Independent, The Guardian), geography reference books , major dictionaries (Oxford, Collins plus few others, including Encarta) and by UNESCO, World Health Organization ,World Bank, US Senate, US Congress, US Department of State, US Department of Trade and House of Lords in the Great Britain's Parliament. German speakers use "Togliatti" as well. Italian-speakers sometimes prefer "Togliattigrad" or "citta' di Togliatti" in order to differentiate the city from a person's last name. A minority of English-language sources may use Togliattigrad, Tolyatti, Tol'yatti or even Tolyattigrad. Moving the article to "Togliatti" would ensure much better consistency across Wikipedia pages in different languages and consistency within the article itself. It meets Wikipedia guidelines (WP:COMMONNAME). — Milenkov  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.25.68.83 (talk) 09:07, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * P.S. A quick Google "acid test" returns much more hits for "city of Togliatti", than for "city of Tolyatti", "city of Tol'yatti" or "city of Togliattigrad".
 * Measuring is easy. What's hard is knowing what it is you're measuring and what your measurement shows.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 1, 2010; 19:07 (UTC)

 * Oppose for a multitude of reasons. The city does not have a "conventional English name" as defined by our guidelines (WP:RUS). Per our guidelines, a conventional name of a place is the name listed in major English dictionaries and should be preferred over default romanization at all times.  "Major English dictionaries" and encyclopedias clearly vary on this point—some, like Britannica and Columbia (available via InfoPlease), list "Tolyatti" as the main spelling, others use "Togliatti", but still mention "Tolyatti" as a possible spelling; major map publishers use "Tolyatti", "Tol'yatti", and (those whose maps don't use BGN/PCGN romanization of Russian) "Toljatti".  Those same map publishers clearly indicate "conventional names" next to romanization when a conventional name exists ("Moskva", for example, is followed by "Moscow", and "Sankt Peterburg" by "St. Petersburg").  Per item 2 of the "place names" section of WP:RUS, if different dictionaries list different main variants, use the one that's closest to the default romanization guidelines (by the way, this very clause cites Tolyatti as an example of such application).  In this case the closest variant is "Tolyatti".  What's more, as far as toponyms go, WP:RUS clearly assigns larger importance to the English-language reference works rather than to local usage, and that's the way it's supposed to be if we want to keep this encyclopedia academic instead of transforming it into a marketing tourist guide.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 28, 2010; 16:11 (UTC)
 * NB. The Britannica states Tolyattigrad or Toliattigrad as the main spelling. Rely on facts, please. The Columbia's statements like "Novy (new) Stavropol" and "Lenin dam at Zhigulyovski" say enough of the quality of this snippet. — Milenkov —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.25.211.151 (talk) 21:27, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * We don't rely on one dictionary/reference work for judgement. The whole point of WP:RUS is to consider multiple reference works, and, when they contradict one another (i.e., when no one "conventional English name" can be convincingly established), the one closest to the spelling produced by the industry practices (BGN/PCGN romanization for toponyms) is selected.  With this article, we have multiple sources using "Tolyatti" and "Togliatti", and one using "Togliattigrad".  Per WP:RUS, "Tolyatti" is closer to the industry standards, hence that's what we use.  Current name is in full compliance with Wikipedia's guidelines.  Using a move request to override existing guidelines in favor of local preferences is by no means an academically sound approach.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 29, 2010; 18:04 (UTC)
 * P.S. As for the "quality of the snippet", we, as Wikipedians, don't get to decide on that.  These major English-language encyclopedias are considered by our policies and guidelines to be a reliable source, and that is all that matters.  You are forgetting that Wikipedia is not about truth, it is about verifiability.  We can verify Britannica, Columbia, etc.  We can verify other sources (which you helpfully supplied; thank you) that use a different spelling.  But our guidelines give more weight to the former rather than the latter.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 30, 2010; 15:02 (UTC)
 * Comment For those still unsure, here's an analysis of the links Milkenkov found; I copied them here for convenience:
 * Gorbachev's book is a translation, and translators can use whatever spellings they think work best in contest. We don't know what this particular translator's guidelines were and we don't care—we have our own guidelines to follow.  Not to mention that it can easily be countered by something like this.
 * Soviet news digests were translated by the Soviets themselves (not a practice we can adopt), and they were hardly consistent in their choice of spelling: see, for example,.
 * The scientific press uses both spellings as well:, , ,
 * The news media usage is not set in stone either:
 * despite NYT's and, they also have
 * BBC's and can be countered by their own  and
 * The Economist seems to be consistent with using "Togliatti", kudos to them
 * ditto for The Time ( and ), although articles from 1968 and 1973 are not what I'd label "current usage"
 * The Financial Times has Togliatti (although I can't read this article as I am not a subscriber, so I'll take it on good faith), but a simple search will show they are all over the board
 * ditto for Forbes: vs.
 * BusinessWeek is no better with vs.
 * The link given for WSJ is the only mention of the city I could find using their online search (and the article only mentions it in passing)
 * The Independent seems to use "Togliatti" consistently; that's OK
 * but The Guardian is another paper which could tighten its guidelines:
 * Geography reference books use whatever spellings the editors deem to be in line with the overall purpose of the book.  It's not at all hard to find books using other spellings, as  and  would attest.
 * Major dictionaries are also divided: those same Oxford Dictionaries Online and Collins give both spellings (although how exactly can "Tolyatti", in Latin characters, be labeled a "Russian name" is beyond me), and so does American Heritage Dictionary and this Webster. As per WP:RUS, when dictionaries give multiple spellings, the one closest to the default provisions (i.e., BGN/PCGN) is to be selected.  Hence, "Tolyatti".
 * by the by, this was not a valid example, as the city is mentioned in relation to the person and has no separate entry of its own
 * UNESCO, WHO , and World Bank are all international organizations for whom English is just one of the languages they operate in to reach the global audience. Wikipedia, on the other hand, targets specifically Anglophones and favors BGN/PCGN guidelines over other systems.  And it's not like we can't find examples of using "Tolyatti" by the international organizations: here's World Bank, for example.
 * The usage by the US Senate can hardly be proved by this—it's only a reference in passing. Note the BGN's purpose is to "promulgate standardization"; that means preventing things like this, this, and this.  The Department of State is certainly trying, so occasionally does the House, and the PCGN (UK's counterpart of the US BGN) must be doing something as well, because even the House of Lords gets it right every now and then.  Ah, the bureacrats!
 * I am going to ignore the part regarding what the German ("Togliatti", ) and Italian speakers (it:Togliatti_(città),, ), because I can make an equally silly point that the Russian speakers use ru:Тольятти, and we aren't adopting that, are we? This, after all, is the English Wikipedia.  Germans, Italians, and Russians have their own languages, their own Wikipedias, and their very own naming guidelines which have no effect whatsoever on the guidelines of ours (works the other way, too).  On "Togliattigrad" and "Tolyattigrad", those are not mentioned by the reference sources with the same frequency as "Tolyatti" and "Togliatti" are, so our guidelines allow ignoring them altogether.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 1, 2010; 18:53 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The spelling has to be Togliatti
as Thorez has to be Thorez, and not Torez, and Engels has to be Engels and not Enghels. The town is called after the Italian politician Pablo Togliatti, who was not a Russian Italian, but simply Italian. and linked to no other source. In the same order of ideas, when one is reading about Aphina or Afina and Ephiopiya or Efiopiya in Russian, one has to transcript Athens and Ethiopia. Ewan2 (talk) 02:15, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Nothing "has to be" anything. There's no "one right answer" to these questions. Instead we weigh various factors. The main point is to service the reader. I have limited interest in engaging with editors who have The Answer to questions like this. It might be that, all things considered, using "Togliatti" rather than "Tolyatti" in this article has more upsides than downsides. It might not be. It's something that reasonable people can discuss. Pablo Togliatti's name has little if anything to do with it, IMO. Rolla, Missouri is (indirectly) named after Sir Walter Raleigh, and so what? Everything isn't spelled the same as its source.

 * It was apparently discussed in 2010 and we decided to stay with Toyatti, but that was a while ago and if you want to try again that'd be perfectly justified, see WP:RM. You might want to read the arguments for "Tolyatti" above first, though, and see if they make any sense to you. They do to me. As a tip, though, "one has to" arguments are not likely to gain much traction. Instead, think about what is best for reader, least likely to be confusing, most likely to match what she has seen in other sources, and so forth. Herostratus (talk) 02:31, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

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Sweetheart Abbey

The Abbey of Dulce Cor, better known as Sweetheart Abbey (Gaelic: An Abaid Ur), was a Cistercian monastery founded in 1275 in what is now the village of New Abbey, in the historical county of Kirkcudbrightshire in   Dumfries and Galloway, 8 mi south of Dumfries.

Founding
The abbey, located on the banks of the New Abbey Pow (river), was founded by Dervorguilla of Galloway, daughter of Alan, Lord of Galloway, in memory of her husband, John de Balliol. After his death, she kept his embalmed heart, contained in a casket of ivory and silver, with her for the rest of her life, and it was buried alongside her when she died. In line with this devotion to her late husband, she named the abbey Dulce Cor (Latin for Sweet Heart). Their son, also John, became King of Scotland, but his reign was tragic and short.

Under the first abbot, Henry, the abbey was built in deep-red, local sandstone in the Early English style. It was founded as a daughter house to the nearby Dundrennan Abbey; thus this novum monasterium (new monastery) became known as the "New Abbey ".

Other abbots included - Henry, 1275; Eric, 1290; John, 1300; Thomas, 1400; William, 1470; Robert, 1503; John, 1539; Gilbert, 1565–1612.

Vicissitudes
The immediate abbey precincts extended to 30 acre and sections of the surrounding wall can still be seen today. The abbey church, dedicated to St Mary the Virgin, in common with all Cistercian monasteries, measures 203 ft, and the central tower rose to a height of 92 ft.

The Abbot of Sweetheart was a member of the First Estate and sat ex officio in the Parliament. The Cistercian Order—whose members were commonly known as the White Monks because of the white cowl which they wear over their religious habit—built many great abbeys after their establishment around 1100. Like many of their abbeys, the New Abbey's interests lay not only in prayer and contemplation but in the farming and commercial activity of the area, making it the centre of local life.

During the First War of Scottish Independence, King Edward I of England himself resided at the abbey in 1300, while campaigning in Galloway. After 50 years of warfare in the region, however, the abbey was left in a dilapidated state. The Bishop of Galloway bemoaned Sweetheart's "outstanding and notorious poverty". Archibald Douglas, 3rd Earl of Douglas (1328-1400), often referred to as Archibald the Grim, became a major benefactor of the abbey and financed wholesale repairs and the rebuilding of the abbey complex. The depredations suffered by the abbey in subsequent periods, however, caused the graves of the foundress and her husband to be lost.

The abbey continued in quiet obscurity until it was eventually suppressed in the Scottish Reformation.

Suppression
Starting in 1565, the Scottish crown placed the abbey under a series of commendatory abbots. The last Cistercian abbot was Gilbert Broun, S.O.Cist. (died 1612), who continued to uphold the Catholic faith long after the Reformation. He was charged several times with enticing to "papistrie" from 1578 to 1605, until finally he was arrested in 1605, in spite of the resistance of the whole countryside, and transported to Edinburgh, where he was tried and sentenced to exile. In 1624, the last of the monks died and the abbey buildings and land passed into the hands of Sir Robert Spottiswoode, son of the Archbishop of St Andrews, who assumed the title of Lord of New Abbey.

When, in 1633, King Charles I established the Diocese of Edinburgh, he pleaded with Spottiswoode to relinquish the lands of New Abbey, which he wanted to grant to the new diocese. Though Spottiswoode agreed, he was not paid for the lands, and when the royal grant to the diocese was cancelled, the king restored the estate back to Spottiswoode in 1641. He was soon forced into exile, however, so the estate continued in possession of the Crown.

Burials

 * John de Balliol and his wife Dervorguilla of Galloway
 * James Carruthers (1759–1832) was a Catholic priest and historian.
 * Eric Drummond, 7th Earl of Perth (1876- 1951).
 * Hon. Angela Mary Constable-Maxwell, daughter of the 11th Lord Herries of Terregles, Countess of Perth, (1877Marmaduke Constable-Maxwell, 11th Lord Herries of Terregles - 1965 ) wife of the 7th Earl of Perth.
 * William Paterson (banker) founder of the Bank of England. (1658 - 1719)

Current status

The village which stands next to the ruins today, is now known as New Abbey. At the other end of the main street is Monksmill, a corn mill. Although the present buildings date from the late 18th century, there was an earlier mill built by and for the monks of the abbey which serviced the surrounding farms.

The abbey ruins dominate the skyline today and one can only imagine how it and the monks would have dominated early medieval life as farmers, agriculturalists, horse and cattle breeders. Surrounded by rich and fertile grazing and arable land, they became increasingly expert and systematic in their farming and breeding methods. Like all Cistercian abbeys, they made their mark, not only on the religious life of the district but on the ways of local farmers and influenced agriculture in the surrounding areas.

A 14th century prayer book known as The Sweetheart Abbey Breviary is now in the National Library of Scotland in Edinburgh.

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Talk:Dana Bash

Ron Paul PAC
I understand there is some question about Dana Bash's reporting that has been raised by Ron Paul's PAC. Such material probably is important enough to be in this article, but it is at least as important-- and truthfully, more so-- that such material be well sourced, and meet Wikipedia's standards for Neutral Point of View. This is particularly true as the subject of this article is a living person; WP:BLP also applies. -- JeffBillman (talk) 23:13, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Have added a short bit. Struggled to make it sound neutral, as CNN haven't commented their side yet, but I found a short quotation from a spokesperson in a politico report (linked to) which said "all is fine," so have stuck that in. Wikiditm (talk) 23:12, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I think the problem here is weight more than neutrality - this is an article about her life and career, and the importance of this one matter is highly questionable in terms of her whole life. I understand that Ron Paul supporters think it is highly important, but I think this is way out of proportion for her article. Has this affected her career in any way?   The article should give more information about her overall career, with this matter perhaps boiled down to one or two sentences - if included at all. And we tend to try to avoid sections called "Controversies" - if there are valid, notable matters, they should be incorporated into the text. I am inclined to remove this section entirely at this point, pending it reaching some level of notability. Has anything more been said about this?  Tvoz / talk 05:38, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I concur with Tvoz. Telco (talk) 14:53, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It looks as though it's died down. My initial bit was just a paragraph, it's now become its own section which beats her entire career in terms of length. The controversy never came to anything in the end in terms of media coverage. I'm for removing it entirely now but maybe with one line saying "in 2011 she was criticized by a superPAC for alleged bias." Wikiditm (talk) 22:01, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

This section is an absurdity of epic proportions. Sarah Palin's article has NO controversy section what-so-ever, yet because this one particular reported decided to call out the Wikipedian's messiah, Ron Paul.. she now has five paragraphs of controversy. Well done wikipedians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.144.46 (talk) 19:01, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree. I have axed the entire section in favour of a single sentence mentioning the controversy. Hope this is ok.Wikiditm (talk) 13:36, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

For better or worse, Dana Bash's coverage of (and subsequent removal from) the Ron Paul Campaign is the arguably the most noteworthy event of her career. A quick search of various news outlets for the name "Dana Bash" will bear this out. Stories on her coverage of the Ron Paul campaign outnumber all other stories combined. Please don't misunderstand, the current section is by all means too long, but removing it entirely doesn't make sense unless you want to make an argument that she is too minor a media figure to even warrant a page at all. Dana Bash's name will forever be tied to her coverage of Ron Paul for Americans. Look at her page views stats on wikipedia, the majority of views are during her coverage of the Ron Paul Campaign. Quite frankly, judging from those stats, her controversial coverage of Rom Paul is the only reason most people might have any idea who she is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.47.150.168 (talk) 12:31, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

 * I performed a search on google news. Of the 170 results for Dana Bash, less than 10 refer to RevolutionPAC. I'm just not buying that this is a big deal. Literally nothing came of it. No formal charges, the Paul campaign said everything's fine, CNN said everything's fine, all we have here is a group of fans that are swinging the lead. Lines like 'Some Paul supporters point to the strange timing of the "technical difficulties" as being intentional' are particularly inappropriate for a wikipedia article. That this total non-event is given its own section (which takes more space than the entire section on her career) is insane. I really think the single line in the intro is a better choice here Wikiditm (talk) 22:58, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

The only reason that APPEARS to be true to you, and many others is because you are diehard Ron Paul supporters. Just because Ron Paul's multi-million dollar propaganda campaign riled up their base to put a hit out on this woman (for having the guts to critique him), and thus got the google count to go up thanks to the Ron Paul circles, does not make it the defining moment of her career.

A minor criticism section is okay. Inflating that section to make mountains out of molehills, in order to put out a hit job on this woman for criticizing your favorite politician is NOT okay.

I do understand that criticizing Ron Paul is something Ron Paul supporters just DON'T DO, but independent journalists should be encouraged to, for the sake of those of us who want to be able to hold politicians accountable. --69.125.144.46 (talk) 18:34, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Again, simply google Dana Bash. The vast majority of the results have to do with her controversial coverage of the Paul Campaign, and they come from a wide variety of sources -- not "diehard Ron Paul supporters" as you suggest. Nothing in the controversy section refers to any objective "critique" or "criticizing" of Ron Paul, it states that she had a subjective fear of him staying in the race, compared his supporters to those in the Arab-Isreali conflict and made other statements that you would not associate with an objective journalist. The fact that she was removed from covering the Paul campaign in the aftermath of this affair says more than anything I can state here. Again, the controversies section needs to be edited, not removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.47.150.168 (talk) 21:30, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

I'll quote a part of the controversies section of the article. At Paul's Campaign Headquarters in Iowa, Bash was also involved in a controversy involving an interview with army corporal Jesse Thorsen, where "technical difficulties" were blamed for an interview being cut short when Thorsen attempted to express his opinion that Israel could handle Iran by itself.[8] Some Paul supporters point to the strange timing of the "technical difficulties" as being intentional and accused Bash of cutting Thorsen off because of his politics.[9] The above section is complete conspiracy-theory nonsense. There is absolutely no evidence for these allegations and they seem to only exist in the minds of Ron Paul supporters (see the sources).

The entire controversies section of this article is ridiculous. It's nothing but a series of unfounded allegations by Ron Paul supportes, backed up mainly by Ron Paul blogs. There is substantial evidence of friction between her and the Ron Paul campaign. That deserves to be mentioned. But it is completely ridiculous that nearly a third of the article is taken up by this. She was the White House reporter and Congressional correspondent for CNN, one of the more important jobs in the United States media. A single Google search should not determine the content of such a large section of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.20.61.186 (talk) 02:44, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree completely. I initially added in the section as it was news at the time, but it ended up never coming to anything. The section has now expanded to a monstrosity. It is 2 paragraphs long, outstripping the length allocated to her entire career, and gives next to no important information at all. I've tried editing the section out, and replacing it with "In 2012 she was involved in controversies concerning alleged bias against presidential candidate Ron Paul," as a sentence at the end of the opening paragraph. However, when I do that, my edit gets reverted by unregistered members. Someone should really semi-protect this page. Wikiditm (talk) 12:00, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Page protection
This page is STILL seeing major edits from unregistered users. It should really be at least semi-protected. Wikiditm (talk) 16:29, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Ron Paul controversies sentence
The sentence saying Dana Bash has been involved "in a number of controversies" related to Ron Paul seems very strange. Wouldn't more specificity be better? Something like "Ron Paul supporters called for her to he fired after she made on-air comments they interpreted as biased against Paul." Although really personally I don't think it belongs in the article at all: it's not at all unusual for journalists covering politics to be accused of bias by supporters of the people they cover. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1000:B00D:3C2D:AC0B:531B:3852:71E0 (talk) 19:16, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Sean Spicer Paths crossed
She seems to be most knowledgeable. Would their paths crossed-career wise?--Wikipietime (talk) 21:12, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Update Needed
Are Dana Bash and John King divorced by now? People rely on Wikipedia for information and you should be up to date on things like this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1000:B024:CE:F09E:BE76:E382:AA75 (talk) 21:55, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

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Alain Sutter

Alain Sutter (born 22 January 1968) is a Swiss former professional footballer who played as a midfielder. He is currently the sporting director of FC St. Gallen.

Playing career
Born in Bern, Sutter played youth football for SC Bümpliz 78, before beginning his professional career in 1985 with Grasshoppers, one of Switzerland's most storied clubs. After spending the 1987–88 season on loan at BSC Young Boys, he was ready to take his place in the Grasshoppers first team, where he remained until the 1993–94 season, when he decided to move to Germany to play with 1. FC Nürnberg.

After Sutter's impressive performances during the 1994 FIFA World Cup, Germany's most successful club, Bayern Munich, quickly signed the midfielder where he played for one season, before moving again this time to SC Freiburg. In 1997, he transferred to Major League Soccer in the United States, where he signed for the Dallas Burn (now FC Dallas). He played one season in Dallas but his tenure there was cut short when, during training in early 1998, he stepped awkwardly in a hole of the practice field (the Burn was using the facilities of a high school at that time) and the injury forced him to retire. He ended his career with 68 caps and five goals for the Swiss national team.

Retirement
Sutter was a football expert and commentator for Swiss television from 1998 to 2017.

He became the sporting director of FC St. Gallen on 3 January 2018.

Controversies
Sutter was the main force behind a controversy in 1995. Before an important match for the Swiss team, he unfolded a banner to protest against France testing the atom bomb.

Honours
Grasshoppers
 * Swiss Championship: 1989–90, 1990–91
 * Swiss Cup: 1988–89, 1989–90
 * Swiss Super Cup: 1989

Bayern Munich Individual
 * UEFA Cup: 1995–96

 * MLS All-Star: 1997

International
International goals for Switzerland
 * Score and results list Switzerland's goal tally first.

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Matt Pinfield

Matthew Pinfield (born May 28, 1961) is an American television host, disc jockey, and music executive. He first reached national prominence as a VJ on MTV. He served two stints as the host of the alternative music program 120 Minutes, from 1995 to 1999 on MTV and from 2011 to 2013 on MTV2.

Starting in the early 1980s, he began working as both a radio and club DJ in the New Jersey alternative rock scene, working at WHTG-FM when the station first began broadcasting alternative rock in 1984. He later became music director at the station and won several awards before MTV hired him to host their long-running late-night alternative music show in 1995. Pinfield went on to host a number of other shows on the MTV family of networks, including MTV, MTV2, and VH1. He left MTV in 1999 to host Farmclub.com, a live music show that aired on the USA Network. He served as vice president of A&R and artist development for Columbia Records from 2001 to 2006. He has since worked as a DJ and television host for a number of terrestrial and satellite radio stations and television networks.

Early years
Early in his career, Pinfield worked as an on-air host and music director at WRSU-FM, the official radio station of Rutgers University. In 1984, he became a radio DJ on the Jersey Shore alternative rock radio station WHTG-FM 106.3, and was the main DJ at a New Brunswick, New Jersey club called The Melody Bar. During his tenure, the Melody became a respected alternative music club in the New York City area. Pinfield developed a close personal relationship with a number of British alternative rock bands such as Ned's Atomic Dustbin, Pop Will Eat Itself, and The Wonder Stuff.

During his 10 years at WHTG, Pinfield was the recipient of the Gavin Award (1992 and 1993) for National Commercial Alternative Music Director of the Year.

In 1992, Pinfield appeared in an episode of the first season of MTV's The Real World when he interviewed members of the rock group Reigndance on-air at WHTG. The group's lead singer, Andre, was one of the seven cast members of The Real World.

In 1995, Pinfield began his television career hosting MTV's 120 Minutes. Within a year, he hosted a variety of MTV shows including MattRock, Pinfield Suite, Pinfield Presents, Rocks Off, Say What?, MTV Live, and over 100 MTV specials. His music knowledge was showcased on TRL's Stump Matt. In 1999, Pinfield joined Universal Television to host and co-write a live television show about music, farmclub.com, which aired in 2000 on the USA Network.

In 2001, Pinfield became Vice President of A & R and Artist Development for Columbia Records, signing and overseeing the making of albums by acts including Coheed & Cambria and Crossfade. During the same time, he hosted WXRK's The Buzz and made cameo appearances on several albums, including a secret spoken word track on Limp Bizkit's Significant Other. In 2005, Pinfield was asked by The Rolling Stones to host their international radio interview for Premiere networks. The special featured all four band members together for the first time in an interview setting in over 35 years.

In 2006, Pinfield returned to television to host VH1's VSpot Top 20 Countdown and HDNet's Sound Off with Matt Pinfield, an in-depth interview program in the vein of Larry King Live. Pinfield also co-starred as himself on several episodes of the Nickelodeon program The Naked Brothers Band.

On August 22, 2007, Pinfield hosted Projekt Revolution, a free concert hosted on Myspace.com. Pinfield hosted Sirius Satellite Radio's Matt Pinfield Plays Whatever He Wants and Soundoff with Matt Pinfield. However, as of November 12, 2008, the merger of XM and Sirius had left the future of these shows in doubt. The future of these shows remains in doubt to this day.

Beginning May 28, 2008 Pinfield took over as morning drive DJ on New York radio station WRXP 101.9FM.

In July 2009, Pinfield worked the counter at Jack White's Third Man Records pop-up store, which operated for two days on Chrystie Street in New York City. The store's primary function was to promote two WRXP gigs that White's band, the Dead Weather, was doing at Terminal 5.

Every February, Pinfield spins 80s/90s alternative classics at the now annual Melody Bar Reunion in New Brunswick, New Jersey.

In July 2011, WRXP changed formats and Pinfield left the station to host 120 Minutes, which had been revived by MTV2. He began hosting the revived weekly series on July 31, 2011.

In January, 2012, Pinfield was chosen to host "Flashback", the classic rock weekend show on 219 radio stations owned by Cumulus Media.

Pinfield played himself in an episode of Portlandia on January 4, 2013.

2015–present
In 2015, Pinfield became a DJ on SiriusXM Radio's Lithium channel from 7 am to 1 pm (ET) weekdays.

On Wednesday, April 20, 2016, Pinfield took over the morning DJ time-slot at Cumulus Media's San Francisco outpost, KFOG 104.5.

In 2016, Pinfield published a memoir, ''All These Things That I've Done: My Insane, Improbable Rock Life".

In 2018, Pinfield penned the foreword for the book 100 Things Pearl Jam Fans Should Know & Do Before They Die, by author Greg Prato.

In September 2019, Pinfield covered the Rock in Rio festival for LiveXLive interviewing artists on the backstage.

In January 2021, Pinfield began hosting "New & Approved," a Sunday evening program featuring new rock music, on 95.5 FM KLOS in Los Angeles.

Matt Pinfield was honored at the Global Rock Summit 2022 event with the first International Rock Icon of the Year Award for his contributions to music, radio, and media.

Pinfield was the interviewer for Season 1 of the reality competition show No Cover that aired in April 2022.

On March 28, 2024, Pinfield was introduced on-air as the new afternoon drivetime host for KCSN, a AAA-format public radio station based in Los Angeles.

Personal life
He lives in Los Angeles, California, and previously resided in Harrison, New Jersey and East Brunswick Township.

On December 3, 2018, Pinfield nearly died while crossing the street near his Hollywood home. He was struck by a car that was going 40 mph; Pinfield broke his leg in two places and split his head open all the way to the skull after hitting the windshield headfirst and striking his head a second time on the pavement.

In popular culture
The Killers' song "All These Things That I've Done" from their 2004 album Hot Fuss is about Pinfield. He met the band while working as a vice president of A&R at Columbia Records.

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Piteå IF (men)

Piteå IF is a Swedish football club located in Piteå.

Background
The club was formed 24 May 1918 but did not take up football until 1920 when they merged with their local rivaling club IFK Piteå, which then was dissolved. Piteå IF is currently playing in the third-highest Swedish division, Division 2, for men and the ladies' team are playing in the highest league, Damallsvenskan, which is their highest-ever position in the Swedish ladies' league system. The men's team's best season up until this day is their season in Sweden's second-highest division 1998. The club's men's reserve team play in the sixth highest Swedish league, Division 4.

The club has one of the largest youth academies in football in the county of Norrbotten and is one of two arranging clubs of the large international youth football cup Piteå Summer Games.

The Piteå IF FF Akademi is the official academy of Piteå IF and consists most of U19 players and younger.

The club plays their home matches at LF Arena.

Attendances
In recent seasons Piteå IF have had the following average attendances:

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Deletion comment from 25 July 2005
I don't see how this deserves a speedy deletion. If you don't like this article, why not put it on vfd? Revolución 21:23, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Article comment from 16 November 2018
The first sentence of the article reads with a good bit of bias. While I personally agree that disposable consumerism is a negative feature of contemporary western society, Wikipedia articles are not the proper forum for making these arguments. On Wikipedia we are supposed to present the topic from a neutral point of view. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.137.24.5 (talk) 09:23, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I hope I've addressed this. It's ok to say neutrally that many critics view it as "excessive" consumption, we can't say it in WP's voice. 85.67.32.244 (talk) 07:19, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Information on environmental effects
I think the environmental effects of a throw-away society should have their own subsection. Part of the reason why the concept of a throw-away society is important is the harm done to the environment in exchange for convenience. Mel Beebe (talk) 05:17, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Waste and Socioeconomic Status
Something that often does not get covered when discussing environmental externalities of any action is how different the effects of those externalities (especially negative) are depending on socioeconomic status. For example, plastic waste from single-use products often ends up in less wealthy communities, simply because wealthier communities can afford to have the waste shipped away. Mel Beebe (talk) 05:25, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Food Waste
This section is very short and could use to be expanded Amb8675 (talk) 00:43, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Equitable Futures - Internet Cultures and Open Access
— Assignment last updated by Maisystarr (talk) 19:21, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

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User:Martinman11/HPAIP

Update: As of June 2, 2005 the HPAIP has merged with WikiProject Harry Potter

I started this organization on May 13, 2005 as a project where members would monitor, add, and update any Harry Potter-related article with new photos as they were released.

Tasks

The HPAIP will be working to monitor and add images to any HP article on Wikipedia needing a image or images.

As the movie series of HP continues the HPAIP will add new  headshots  of each character to their respective infoboxes. All images used will (if possible) be of a higher resolution, and no noticeably pixelated images will be used.

If a photo that is all ready on the page does not clearly show the character then it will be replaced and moved to a different part of the article.

title: User:Martinman11/HPAIP


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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Most powerful jedi

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The result of the debate was delete. – ABCD✉ 00:10, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Most powerful jedi
Not a speedy candidate. Clearly doesn't belong on WP--it's a fancruftish, unverifiable list (see WP:WWIN). I can't think of anywhere to redirect this to--should probably just be deleted. Meelar (talk) 21:24, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete What a pointless article. Deb 21:45, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Note that 'Cruft' is not a deletion criteria.  But regardless of the nominator's reasons, I don't see this as becoming worthy of an encyclopedia enty. Sonic Mew | talk to me 21:54, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Technically, only speedy deletion has explicit criteria. VfD operates on consensus, which depends on people's personal ideas of what is or is not suitable for Wikipedia and their interpretations of policies such as WP:NOT.   — Gwalla | Talk 22:31, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Apparently original research, if this sort of thing can actually be called research. ManoaChild 21:57, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete with no references it's little more than pure POV.-Poli (talk • contribs) 22:29, 2005 July 25 (UTC)
 * Delete --malathion talk 23:09, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete: 1) totally unverifiable. 2) Possibly wrong (Anakin was verified as having the most stupid-bacteria-things EVER, as in, more than YODA did, whereas Yoda seemed to be stronger in the Force than Luke was).  3)  He freaking misspelled 'Anakin.'   Marblespire 20:37, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete POV original research. JamesBurns 08:27, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

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Strix (TV production company)

STRIX Television is a Swedish television production company that was founded in 1988. The Swedish mother company, at the time owned by MTG, had offices in Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Oslo, Tel Aviv and Prague. Today, there are two individual companies named Strix, Strix Television in Sweden and Strix Televisjon in Norway, both owned by Fremantle.

It is a major international contributor to the format of reality television known as 'Survivor'. Since 1997 Strix has produced Expedition Robinson for an ever-increasing audience throughout Europe. The company has also developed, produced and distributed other reality formats, such as The Farm, The Bar, and Harem.

STRIX Survivor games worldwide:
 * Survivor
 * Expedition Robinson

title: Strix (TV production company)


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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1987 in environment

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The result of the debate was REDIRECT. I've gone for Capitalistroadster's suggestion. -Splash 17:26, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

1987 in environment
I don't know if there is a years in environment project or list of pages but this orphan is fairly lost and useless on its own. MeltBanana 21:25, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to 1987, if there isn't a project for for this. (If there is, a bit of clean-up may still be necessary.) Sonic Mew | talk to me 22:01, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect → 1987 as per Sonic Mew 1987 in science as per Capitalistroadster. …Markaci 2005-07-26 T 00:21:41 Z
 * Comment. If it is part of a wikiproject then keep. If not, merge and redirect to 1987 in science. Capitalistroadster 23:57, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect per Capitalistroadster -Soltak 20:51, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
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