text:
User talk:DrTorstenHenning

UN/LOCODE
maybe you like to knwo that for all(?) US places redirects of the form UN/LOCODE:USNYC are implemented - if they have an WP article. I think this would make linking from outside to WP easier. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 19:18, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

 * saw your entry at: HVV the city part of UN/LOCODE for Hvidovre/Denmark (DK HVV) ... here it is not that bad, but it's not allways a city. maybe you have another another idea? I have not. "location part" "local part" is all not correct, I think.
 * I added more redirects, e.g. for SE. How to see redirects by country see the intro at Talk:UN/LOCODE Tobias Conradi (Talk) 13:33, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

 * "Second part (below the country level)" would probably be most correct. However, since these two HVV are cities, I think we should stick with "city part" for the time being.(?) --DrTorstenHenning 13:41, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I have to revert myself on that, the footnote on page 2 of the UN/LOCODE manual calls these three letters the "location code". --DrTorstenHenning 15:51, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Speedy delete
You recently tagged Fax Information Services for speedy delete as advertising. While this is certainly a reason to delete, it's not a reason to speedy delete. I enourage you to take the article to VfD. See Guide to Votes for deletion for help (or you can ask me) in doing so. Thanks! --Dmcdevit·t 09:27, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * You didn't finish the nomination. You forgot to give it a heading, or list it in the daily log (the most important part, because otherwise no one will see it and vote on it). I've finished it for you. In the future, look over the instructions to be sure you did it right. Also, please do not remove comments from your talk page without comment. It is seen as hostile or uncivil. --Dmcdevit·t 20:40, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I was under the mistaken impression that the VFD Log was created automatically. And of course I've abandoned my clean desk policy regarding my talk page. --DrTorstenHenning 08:46, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
 * It's okay, a very common mistake. After an hour of fixing it, I can get snappy. By the way, in case no one has said it, welcome to Wikipedia! Don't hesitate to ask me on my talk page in case you ever have any questions about anything. --Dmcdevit·t 08:58, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I have been welcomed, but the welcome message fell victim to my clean desk policy ... --DrTorstenHenning 09:11, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Rent-a-Husband
I saw your nomination of Votes_for_deletion/Rent-a-Husband and agree it looked bad, but Rent-a-Husband is a real movie that stars Brooke Shields, Maria Grazia Cucinotta and Chevy Chase. I rewrote the article into a stub, so you might want to take another look. DS1953 02:12, August 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * Good job. Changed my vote to keep. --DrTorstenHenning 07:05, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Eggenstein-Leopoldshafen
Hi, I'm surprised, that Eggenstein-Leopoldshafen has an entry in the wikipedia here. I'll change my User page :) --Kawana 20:58, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Help with Translation!?
Can you help translate this for me to swedish? Many thanks in advance!

''Albania's major trading partners include Romania, Italy, the Czech and Slovak republics, and Germany. It exports crude petroleum, chromium ore and iron ore, copper wire, vegetables and fruits, tobacco, and wine. The principal imports are machinery and equipment, spare parts, minerals and metals, construction materials, and food products.''

--Armour 10:31, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Copyvio marking a page containing an image
It's not the page that's copyvio, but the image it contains (Image:dfr.jpg). Probably, the image should be marked as imagevio rather than the page as copyvio, but I'm not entirely sure how to do this. --ais523 14:29, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll find out about that, the image was gone before I had checked the instructions. In any case, I think that copyvio content should be eliminated (by replacing it with the copyvio tag) immediately. --DrTorstenHenning 14:35, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with you about immediate elimination of copyvio; it's just that the article itself contained no copyvio (just a transclusion of a copyvio template). Still, someone seems to have sorted the problem out for us. --ais523 14:37, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

B. Channakeshaviah
Hi, I noticed that you tagged this article for speedy deletion because it was unsourced. This is certainly a valid reason for going to AfD and deleting the article, but not a valid reason for speedy deletion. In any case, I've fixed the link to the article, and the article certainly makes claims of notability about the subject. Anyway, just to let you know... --- Deville (Talk) 17:02, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Not quite. I had tagged the article for speedy as spam, because the external link that provided the context did link to a page that had no meaningful connection to the subject of the article. And spam is a valid reason for speedy deletion. But thanks for taking the time to dig into that website and giving this article some context. --DrTorstenHenning 07:20, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Prod
You prodded the article Maria Wong (YAF) before it was sent to AfD. I saw that was already the second prod in the article's short history. While I agree that the article should not be kept, it should not be prodded more than once, either. If a prod is contested by removing the tag, a full-blown WP:AFD is the next step to deletion. Yours, Huon 12:04, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * You are right, I should have checked the article's history. --DrTorstenHenning 12:10, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

List_of_strange_units_of_measurement
Please stop changing this entry on list of strange units. There are many sources available which state that the unit's name is in lower case, and that it is written with an -s suffix when discussing more than one of them. All you are doing by insisting on "Joule" as the correct and immutable form is make your claim to be a trained physicist a dubious one. Rhialto 10:17, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

 * There is at least one source, NIST SP 811, which I consider the most definitive guide on standardisation when it comes to units, that states that the value of a quantity should be expressed in acceptable units (so let's put aside the erg for a while and concentrate on the quantity named after Mr. Joule) "using (...) the symbols for the units, not the spelled-out names of the units." (subsection 7.6 in SP 811). That means the equation in the jerk section should read "1 jerk=1016 ergs=109 J=1 GJ", and since the erg is not an acceptable unit, I will gladly stop protesting against the plural-s in this case. If you have a source that says otherwise, please share the info with me. And, needless to say, I am still claiming to be a trained physicist. BTW, I have slightly edited the headline of this section to avoid any misunderstandings. --DrTorstenHenning 13:05, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

 * The International Bureau of Weights and Measures (to use their translated name) seems to favour writing out terms in full, at least for the first instance of the term in a document. Regarding abbreviations, it is not reasonable for a casual reader to know what every abbreviation means unless given some context first. Most good style manuals require that abbreviation to be noted alongside the term in full in the first place that term is used. Significantly, wikipedia's own manual [] of style insists on spelling out the term in full on the first use.

 * Regarding the spaces in the terms, I added them for visual clarity, as without teh extra spaces, it looks like "1 jerk=10^16", "ergs=10^9", "J=1", "GJ". Obvious nonsense I know, and soon re-interpreted correctly, but the spaces make it simpler for the eye to parse quickly. I feel the goal shoudl be make it easier for the reader, before making it easier for the writer. Rhialto 15:36, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

 * "J" for "joule" is not an abbreviation, but a symbol. Therefore, I think, the rules for symbols (e.g. SP 811) should prevail over those for abbreviations (Wikipedias Manual of Style) in cases of contradiction. I completely agree on the extra hardspaces around the equal signs. --DrTorstenHenning 16:52, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

 * If you want to get into a (I feel pointless) argument into semiotics and symbols vs abbreviations, it is worth bearing in mind that both "J" and "joule" are symbols. Neither is the actual item they refer to. Each is just a peculiar set of squiggles that by convention is identified as referring to a certain unit of energy. But the casual reader won't even think of semiotics, and this distinction you are making on symbols vs abbreviations is surprising. I'm willing to ask for external comments on the matter, but I'm worried it might get nominated for WP:LAME. As a shorter method of writing someting to refer to the same concept, "J" well fits the description of being an abbreviation for "joule". Still, shall we call on third parties for this? Rhialto 05:57, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

 * If your main occupation on Wikipedia is metrology, as your homepage indicates, the two of us should easily be able to agree on NIST SP 811 as a basic standard guiding us in our work (and this has nothing to do with being America-centric, NIST SP 811 forms the basis for the official recommendations in e. g. Germany as well). SP 811 does make a distinction between symbols and abbreviations. As for the fear of getting nominated for WP:LAME, I think the edit wars there are much funnier and easier to grasp. And we are not even in an edit war, just having a discussion about something that seems to matter to both of us. At this point it seems obvious that you are more in favour of spelling out unit names, following the conventions for English, and I am more in favour of using the symbols, because I think of the English Wikipedia as more of an International Wikipedia, and I like to keep things as language-indpendent as possible. But I realize that puts me in a minority position, so I am inclined to just giving up at this point. --DrTorstenHenning 10:46, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Electrical conductivity edit 07:32, 11 October 2006
Hi doc

Would you care to explain in more detail the reasons for your edit of 07:32, 11 October 2006.

It would seem that the original version was designed to confuse the layman rather than inform. 81.131.126.86 16:26, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I have re-entered the alternative definition pending your thoughts on the matter. 81.131.109.239 17:15, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

 * The "definition" spoke of a one-square-meter-face cube that you needed to measure the conductivity. That is obviously not the case. The definition of conductivity is via the relation between current density and electrical field strength. Period. Anything else, like the story of the one-square-meter-face cube, is at best an example and should be clearly set apart from the definition. Also, the SI units are not part of the definition of the quantity. It certainly is helpful to give the SI unit, and I think this should be done for every physical quantity, but again, the SI unit is not part of the definition. So in summary, as you said, the original version with alternative definitions was designed to confuse the layman rather than inform, and that is why I edited it. I will check the article in its present state for correctness soon, I hope this answers your question in the meantime. --DrTorstenHenning 09:02, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

 * We seem to be at cross purposes here; it is the original version which I found confusing. I added my definition to make it less confusing to the layman. You seem to be entirely unsure of what I had actually written; perhaps this discussion would be better advanced if you read the definition and then quoted precisely from it so that there are no misunderstandings. Suffice it say that I challenge your deletion on the grounds you stated. It was not a redundant definition since the "unit" of conductivity (siemens/metre) had not been defined. Only the "property" of conductivity had been defined. I also challenge your assertion that siemens was "the wrong word anyway"; it was entirely correct if you had read the COMPLETE definition and not just a part of it.

 * I note, in passing, that you say that "the SI unit is not part of the definition of the quantity" whereas, of course, the SI units are entirely about the definition of quantity. They are not, however, part of the definition of the PROPERTY. I must confess that I am somewhat concerned about your lack of precision in terminology and its effect on the progress of this discussion. I don't, for instance, understand your problem with a 1-metre cube - it is a very common term. I suspect we may need to ask for outside opinion to resolve our problem. 62.125.76.4 08:12, 28 November 2006 (UTC) -- 62.125.76.4 08:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

 * I claim that electrical conductivity is a physical quantity. Period. If you challenge that statement, feel free to call for outside help.
 * I further claim that the definition of a physical quantity is independent of the definition of the units (plural!!) in which it may (!!) be measured. Let me give an example. The physical quantity "velocity" is defined as the first derivative of position with respect to time. Anything like "the velocity in miles per hour is the number of miles that a car travels in one minute multiplied with sixty" or "the velocity of an airplane in knots is the number of kilometers that the airplane travels in one hour multiplied by 1.852" is not definition, but a corollary. Whereas there can only be one definition, there can be an infinite number of corollaries derived from that one definition. We might have one or two of them for illustrative purposes.
 * As for your statement, "the SI units are entirely about the definition of quantity.", I frankly do not understand what the colloquialism "to be all about" should mean in this context. --DrTorstenHenning 09:36, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

 * OK. We agree. The definition of a physical quantity is independent of the definition of the units in which it may be measured. We can equally say that a definition of an SI unit is independent of the of the physical property, electrical conductivity in this case. It must surely follow that the addition I made to the statement of SI units is not an addition to the definition of electrical conductivity. That "Period" you mentioned earlier is right there. Why then was my addition redundant? 81.131.8.77 22:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

 * The definition of electrical conductivity is that it is the constant relating current density to electrical field strength. The addition that involves the 1-meter-cube is an example, it is not a definition. I assume that is the addition you are referring to, and I assume that I have always been talking to the same person - correct me if I am wrong. --DrTorstenHenning 17:33, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

 * I am trying to understand your concerns about re-definition but electrical conductivity is defined in paragraph 1 of the article but we are discussing paragraph 2 which begins: "Conductivity is the reciprocal (inverse) of electrical resistivity ... ". Since this really is another definition of electrical conductivity, why have you not deleted this as redundant?  213.122.70.193 20:51, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Sorry. The second paragraph is set apart from the definition, and so I thought it was clear that this was not another attempt at a definition, but rather a (correct and useful) statement. Conductivity is the reciprocal of resistivity. --DrTorstenHenning 09:17, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Philosophy
Learn some philo, esp. perspective and cognitive philo, if you're gonna mess around with alternative/new-age/pseudo sciences...

P.S.- Lose the dogma...

Kasdaye 21:00, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Could you be a little more specific, please? "Perspective" seems to be something related to "point of view", which, as I understand it, it not the business of Wikipedia. Also, "mess around" seems to be meant in a kind of derogative way. You probably refer to my labelling of the Orgonite related pseudoscientific ramblings as "pseudoscience". I might just as well say, "Learn some science, before you mess around with Wikipedia". And just what dogma should I lose? Nothing but questions ... --DrTorstenHenning 08:41, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Orgone
I looked at the Orgone page today, and saw your comment that it should be deleted. I put it into AfD, and I expect a lively debate. Maybe you'll want to vote. :)

Alan Rockefeller (Talk - contribs) 20:27, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Since it was kept, it should be properly edited. I started very slowly, by clarifying some references. I suggest we continue, very very slowly, just clarifying what is said and by whom. If properly done, it will speak for itself & the reader will understand. DGG 00:45, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Image:SissySpacek_TheRiver_01.jpg
Thanks for uploading Image:SissySpacek_TheRiver_01.jpg. I notice the 'image' page specifies that the image is being used under fair use, but its use in Wikipedia articles fails our first fair use criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed image could reasonably be found or created that provides substantially the same information. If you believe this image is not replaceable, please:

 * 1) Go to the image description page and edit it to add , without deleting the original Replaceable fair use template.
 * 2) On the image discussion page, write the reason why this image is not replaceable at all.

Alternatively, you can also choose to replace the fair use image by finding a freely licensed image of its subject, requesting that the copyright holder release this (or a similar) image under a free license, or by taking a picture of it yourself.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified how these images fully satisfy our fair use criteria. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on [ this link]. Note that any fair use images which are replaceable by free-licensed alternatives will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Abu badali (talk) 20:45, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank You!
Dr.Henning, I just wanted to thank you for your contributions to the orgone page/orgone discussion page. I am also delighted that the word "orgone"(whether lowercase or capitalized) is perceived as a misspelling by my spell check software. Living in Los Angeles, I have seen far too many mediocre minds enchanted by the glitter of the "metaphysical", and as an artist and musician, I find it deeply disturbing that so many of my peers will eagerly figure out their astrological charts and "study" things like the Mayan calendar, while denouncing the major monotheistic religions (which, for the record, I denounce myself and find exactly the same as these "new age" whatever-you-want-to-call-them). Well, Thanks, Danke, Tak, Merci, Gratis! your friend, Morningwindow 01:50, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Image:SissySpacek TheRadical 01.jpg
Hello DrTorstenHenning, an automated process has found an image or media file tagged as nonfree media, such as fair use. The image (Image:SissySpacek TheRadical 01.jpg) was found at the following location: User:DrTorstenHenning/imagegallery. This image or media will be removed per statement number 9 of our non-free content policy. The image or media will be replaced with Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg, so your formatting of your userpage should be fine. The image that was replaced will not be automatically deleted, but it could be deleted at a later date. Articles using the same image should not be affected by my edits. I ask you to please not readd the image to your userpage and could consider finding a replacement image licensed under either the Creative Commons or GFDL license or released to the public domain. Thanks for your attention and cooperation. User:Gnome (Bot)-talk 18:36, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Emergy article
Hi. Please discuss your OR claims before posting so we can avoid an edit war. Cheers Sholto Maud 11:50, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi. Simple: a section that consists just of statements of the type "Odum said ..." or "Scienceman said ..." constitutes OR. I have flagged only the most obvious paragraphs, there is a whole lot more of original research in the article. Since I have not made an edit to the text itself (except for adding the template messages), I do not see the danger of an edit war for the time being. I have had this article on my watchlist for quite some time, and I have realised that you are by far the most active contributor to this page. It seems also that you are conducting original research on the subject of "emergy". Being a researcher myself, I find that absolutely OK. However, please make sure to keep the distinction between (your, Odum's and Scienceman's) original research - which does NOT belong in Wikipedia - and generally accepted facts, which belong in Wikipedia (as do crackpot theories, but I do not think emergy is a crackpot theory - it seems to suffer mostly from an inconsistent set of axioms, definitions and theorems). Best regards, --DrTorstenHenning 15:07, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. Yes a while ago I undertook to assemble the emergy and related articles in Wikipedia because there weren't any before. I have not been content with simple statements or definitions of the concepts given in some texts. So have I looked more closely at the original sources and have attempted to be true to them.

But I'm not clear on why statements of the type "Odum said ..." or "Scienceman said ..." constitutes OR? The No_original_research article says, "you are not presenting original research is to cite reliable sources that provide information directly related to the topic of the article, and to adhere to what those sources say". (As I understand it citing NOR in this way constitute OR in your book...?). My interpretation of this is that the closest way of adhering to what the sources say is to quote them - so we seem to have opposite POV of OR - which we should clear up. I have attempted to adhere as closely as possible to the original texts without making the article a collection of quotes.

How is the text "As if matters were not sufficiently controversial, Scienceman (1995, p.1) added further fuel to the embers of confusion with the statement that: “The concept of GOD is merely a 'personification' of emergy”" OR?

I agree that the discussion of the article contains OR. However I would prefer that you cite specific text first, and put it in the discussion, if you are concerned that a section verges too far away from the original source. Cheers Sholto Maud 21:56, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

 * That's a perfect example you picked. Let's ignore that the wording is slightly POV and concentrate on the facts. I am sure we both agree that the statement about God is the result of "Scienceman"'s OR.

Agree.
 * The question is then, whether this fact has been corroborated by other scientists in the meantime

Disagree.
 * and can be considered as factual knowledge (which is not the case),

It is a fact that Scienceman made this statement in a publication by the University of Florida. However there is no NOR or OR protocol that I'm aware of which says that the content of all quotes contain factual knowledge. For example the Sokal_affair article quotes Sokal's article in which Sokal wrote: "Just as liberal feminists are frequently content with a minimal agenda of legal and social equality for women and 'pro-choice', so liberal (and even some socialist) mathematicians are often content to work within the hegemonic Zermelo-Fraenkel framework (which, reflecting its nineteenth-century liberal origins, already incorporates the axiom of equality) supplemented only by the axiom of choice." But the content of this quote is meant to be humerous, not factual knowledge. So
 * or if this is a religious or philosophical idea that has had any important impact on the world (which is not the case).

I'm not aware of any protocols in NOR which specify the importance or impact on the world. How would one measure this?
 * OR remains OR even if it is put in quotation marks (NOR covers any OR, not just an author's own OR),

I think you're taking things a bit far there. Most of the articles from which quotes have been taken that are cited in the emergy article would qualify as OR - that's why they are published by reputable publishers, because they contain novel ideas and data.
 * and ideas have to have had and important impact (as did the ideas of Karl Marx, for example) to qualify for Wikipedia. --DrTorstenHenning 09:27, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Please quote here the criteria cited in NOR or any other Wikipedia policy which states that the ideas have to have had an important impact, together with the metric by which one assess the impact. Sholto Maud 10:16, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

 * , an email by Jimbo, sums it up nicely: "If a view is the majority view of a broad consensus of scientists, then we say so. If a view is a minority view of some scientists, scientists who are respected by the mainstream that differs with them on this particular matter, then we say so.  And if a view is held only by a few people without any traditional training or credentials, and if that view is dismissed by virtually all mainstream scientists, then we can say that, too." --DrTorstenHenning 12:38, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to read this quote from Jimbo (which, if I have interpreted your criteria correctly, seems to be OR, and your use of his views would also be an example of OR). Are you saying 1. that Scienceman does not have any traditional training or credentials, and 2. that his view is dismissed by virtually all mainstream scientists? As for 1. this is not so, as for 2. I have not read any peer review publications, which do not qualify as OR, that express the views of all mainstream scientists on the topic of the relation between the concepts of emergy and god, hence I would have to say that 2. was not so. Sholto Maud 13:52, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Jimbo's definition of Wikipedia is a definition, and definitions are not OR.

Disagree. Hence, by NOR criteria, Jimbo's definition is OR.
 * Jimbo's definition is not published in a peer reviewed respectable article,
 * Jimbo's definition is not the majority view of a broad consensus of scientists

 * As for 1., no, "Scienceman" has training. As for 2., if there is no peer reviewed publication on this subject, then it is still OR.

While we agree that Scienceman's views are OR (as with most other peer reviewed publications), the quote in the emergy article does not qualify as OR by any criteria that you have cited.

 * We'll just have to wait for further investigations into the relationship between emergy and God (a process that will first require unambiguous definitions of these two entities ... don't hold your breath).

Agree.

 * In other words, the relationship to God is no subject for Wikipedia. --DrTorstenHenning 07:39, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Disagree. This is your point of view. You have not cited any NOR criteria which indicate what metric you are using to determine how the quote is innapropriate.

... Would you mind if we put this dicussion on the emergy discussion page? Sholto Maud 08:00, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

God=emergy
Just to make this clear, are you saying that the statement that God is some form of emergy is established knowledge and thus a suitable topic for an encyclopedia?
 * depends on your definition of "established". I would say that it is valid (in the sense that it was published by a supposedly reputable source - that being the University of Florida), and it is verifiable knowledge. As I understand it these are the two most important criteria for inclusion in Wikipedia.

I hope not. The quotation marks around the word personification alone are so unscientific that this statement disqualifies itself.
 * Are you saying that all statements and all statements about words, including the word "emergy", in Wikipedia need to be scientific? Here is a challenge...please cite chapter and verse of Wikipedia policy which states that all statements in Wikipedia must have scientific content.

The question then is, is there any reason this statement should be in an encyclopedia article?
 * If you are asking for my opinion about the value of the statement, I would say that it gives the Wikipedia reader a rounded appreciation of the various different ways the author of the emergy nomenclature intended the emergy concept to be used, together with the scope of application. In this way it is both relevant and important to the article.

No, this is one very personal opinion of one specific person, and Wikipedia is not a collection of everything someone might have said or thought about something at some time. The exception would be opinions that had a major impact on civilization, like the ideas of Confucius, Jesus, or, as mentioned before, Karl Marx (in chronological order). It would be up to you to show that the ideas of the guy who changed his name to "Scienceman" are that important.
 * I'm not sure what you are saying here. The intent of my contributions to the emergy and Scienceman entries are to give context to both the concept, and one of the most significant figures involved in its conception.

 * Again you mention this "importance" criteria, but I've asked you previously to provide me with a direct quote of a Wiki policy stating the metric by which one determines the importance of a topic/article/concpet/word etc to humanity. I don't understand how I could possibly estimate the importance of the emergy concept/article or Scienceman's work without such a metric. Are you looking for howmany people have cited these articles, like an impact factor or something? But that is not necessary for other concpets like "energy".
 * On further reflection, it seems to be the case that Scienceman's connection between God and Emergy is very important to you - else you would not give it any attention. Perhaps you might elaborate on why this connection is important to you, and this might answer your questions. Sholto Maud 01:50, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

And finally, I still do not see how a definition could be OR. If I define a blubberlutsch as the distance a bottle of Coca-Cola falls under the influence of gravity in one second, that is not OR, since it is not even research.
 * As I understand it this would qualify as OR because it hasn't been published in a reputable publication. The discussion page on a Wikipedia user's site is not a reputable source.

Research starts when I say that a blubberlutsch is not constant with respect to geographical position on the earth and initial velocity of the bottle (which then in turn means my definition is not very useful, but it remains a definition). Every scientist should be very careful not to mix up definitions with statements - in my opinion, this is the major weakness of the emergy article, that is presents various inconsistent definitions so that falsifiable statements are hard to separate from the definition mess. --DrTorstenHenning 09:55, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

 * I asked previously if you would mind me putting this discussion up on the discussion page of the emergy article. Would that be ok? Sholto Maud 11:05, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

 * It will be hard for others to follow the discussion since the entries are no longer in chronological order and torn apart, but I would not mind putting it on the emergy discussion page. I am afraid that that page is hardly visited at all. And yes, the connection/equation/whatever between God and emergy is important because it is the most blatant example for the unscientific nature of the article. If one makes it clear from the beginning that emergy is a religious idea or concept, that would be acceptable. Instead, the article gives the impression that we are dealing with a scientific subject. And, by the way: a university by itself is not a reputable source. A university is made up of people, and the mere fact that someone is working at a university does not guarantee that that person's ideas are even sane. It's the same as with a Doctor's degree, or a Professor's title - ideas spoken out by such people still have to pass the tests for criteria such as falsifiability. --DrTorstenHenning 07:28, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Ok I'll do that soon... I think we agree on the importance of the quote on God and emergy. At the same time, I'm not sure that it means that the article is unscientific or religious, then again maybe it is ... I don't know ... is the maximum power principle falsifiable? How would I demonstrate that the principle was falsified in the realm of particle physics, or mechanics? I don't know. Do you know? If not where does that leave us?

 * If you have any suggestions about the structure of the article, please make them. My feeling is that Scienceman was attempting to push the limits, while at the same time attempting to be rigorous in terms of mathematical physics. Was he successful? I don't know but some people have invested career status in the concept. Your comments on reputable sources is, somewhat unsettling and begs the question as to what makes a reputable source if not a university or a Doctor's degree etc. etc. etc. ?? As for the criteria of falsifiability, well, I'm not convinced that this is the foundation stone of "science" because I can't falsify all theorems in my lifetime, hence some theorems of "science" are unfalsifiable. Sholto Maud 11:38, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Energy quality
DrTorstenHenning, can I encourage you to consider two further articles I've contributed to. On further reflection, I think you are right in the main that my contributions have a haphazard character, and the articles would benefit from critical attention and review. If you have time could you pass comment on energy quality and maximum power principle. Regards, Sholto Maud 06:05, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

PS. FYI energetics also. Cheers. Sholto Maud 07:20, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Siemens (unit)
You recent contribution to this article is appreciated. You provide it with a good source. Surely you didn't read through the entire document? Perhaps you could help us out by providing the sections which you used? I was wondering if you could please include the chapters which you read through. Thank you. Furthermore, since I couldn't directly find a reference within your new reference which talks about mS, I put my original reference back. I would like to say that it is customary to not remove a reference, especially when the information was originally sourced from that article and is still being used. Though it may not be illegal, I believe it is distasteful and perhaps ethically immoral. Again thank you for your contribuation and I hope you'll be able to pin-point in greater details your verifiable source. --CyclePat (talk) 01:28, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * As a matter of fact, I did read through the entire document. The SI is so essential for science that I expect every scientist to know what is in that brochure. As to pointing to a specific section in the brochure: the reference is not attached to a specific statement in the article (in the style of a footnote, for example), but applies to the article in its entirety. If I understand you correctly, you want a reference that supports the statement that the symbol for millisiemens is mS? That's simple, we just need to piece together the fact that the prefix for milli is m and the fact that the symbol for siemens is S. The inclusion of the SI multiples table near the beginning of the article should cover that, but to satisfy your need for a detailed reference, I can tell you that the prefix is covered by Table 5 in section 3.1 and that the unit symbol is covered by Table 3 in subsection 2.2.2 of the SI brochure. The SI brochure is a primary source, compiled by the people whose business is to maintain the standard. This is the kind of source that we should prefer in Wikipedia. A secondary source would be a recompilation of this original material, for example the NIST Special Publication 811, or the reference you gave. The difference between the latter two is that the NIST reference is widely used and hence likely to have errors discovered and eliminated quickly, while the reference you gave has been compiled for a much smaller audience. And indeed, the reference you gave contains both inconsistencies (the title says MD abbreviations, and according to the list, MD stands for manual damper, which is not what its author meant in the title) and errors (Ms stands for megaseconds, not for milliseconds - that would be ms). And according to the date on the MD abbreviations list, this error has been around for more than eight years! Replacing a reference that is secondary and erroneous by a source that is primary (replacing! that is not simply removing! note the difference!!) and verifiable is definitely not distasteful and definitely not ethically immoral. I don't know what culture you come from, but these are pretty harsh words to bring up in the first exchange about the quality of source material. Please try to stay calm and assume good faith. --DrTorstenHenning (talk) 10:11, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

(Sigh). I think you deserve an apology because I alluded to the fact that you removed a reliable source without putting another one back. Yes! At first it appeared as though that is what is happened. I will assume good faith and believe that the SI brochure covers various magnitudes including the MS and mS. The problem is that I will now need to go verify this and try to make an endnote (with http://www.easybib.com). Another problem is that I'm can't easy find the information. I still haven't verified the tables you gave me as reference because for my generation, easy means one click away and preferably within a footnote. Another reason I haven't check out the source is because of your own admission which leads me to believe and fear that the source you provided may be in violation of WP:SYNT. According to Wikipedia's policies, to avoid this assumption, as stated within WP:PSTS, "Any interpretation of primary source material requires another reliable source for that interpretation. To the extent that an article or particular part of an article relies on a primary source, that part of the article should: Conclusion/Summary: What I'm getting to, in short, is that we'll need to work on making this available for the average educated person with basic mathematics so they can understand. Don't get me wrong, I think any educated person can understand this however, it's difficult to verify because of the way it's referenced. A second reference wouldn't hurt, as we say in music, for the "mélomane" That's all! Again, I apologize for the accusation and I hope we can work together in building an article which, despite its scientific intricacies will be easily verifiable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CyclePat (talk • contribs) 14:57, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * only make descriptive claims about the information found in the primary source, the accuracy and relevance of which is easily verifiable by any reasonable, educated person without specialist knowledge, and
 * make no analytic, synthetic, interpretive, explanatory, or evaluative claims, unless such claims are verifiable from another source.
 * Now you've kind of lost me --- what is the problem? The SI brochure is only a mouseclick away, and the tables for Coherent derived units in the SI with special names and symbols and for SI prefixes are right there. Putting together these bits of information to find that mS is the symbol for millisiemens and Ms is the symbol for megaseconds is not what WP:SYNT addresses, that's just a matter of logic. The accuracy and relevance are also easy to verify for Joe Average, it is sufficient to read the second paragraph of the preface. Since we are dealing with a matter of definition here, a seconds source would necessarily be redundant, since a definition can only be made once. And the mathematics needed here do not extend below simple multiplication, which I assume everyone to be familiar with. --DrTorstenHenning (talk) 12:36, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Germany Invitation
--Zeitgespenst (talk) 06:23, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Cloudbuster: Keep or redirect and merge?
The 2nd Articles for deletion discussion for Cloudbuster closed as "keep," with the note that "any merge/redirect discussions should take place at the relevant talk pages". However, the article was immediately merged and redirected into Orgone energy. The editor who participated in the discussion and then performed the merge believes that the merge/redirect is supported by consensus. I am posting this notice to the talk page of each of the editors who participated in the discussion, including the nominator, to ensure that this is the case. -- Shunpiker (talk) 18:10, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:SissySpacek TheRadical 01.jpg
 Thanks for uploading File:SissySpacek TheRadical 01.jpg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of "file" pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you.  Ja Ga  talk 01:33, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Category:DIN 4844-2 prohibition signs and Category:GHS pictograms
Hi! Thanks a lot for your for your very well designed SVG prohibition signs and GHS pictograms at Wiki-Commons. I noticed, however, that the background of these graphics within the circle and diamond frame, respectively, is transparent instead of white. Placing the images on a colored background leads to “wrong” pictograms (as you can notice here). Would it be possible to change the background only within the red bounderies to white? Best Greetings, --Sponk 07:43, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I have now added a white sign background to the GHS pictograms. Greetings, --Sponk (talk) 17:01, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Fehlerrechnung und Unsicherheit
Hallo! Ich würde mich sehr freuen, wenn irgendjemand die Artikel zu Fehlerrechnung und Unsicherheit in DE-Wikipedia synchronisieren könnte. Seit 1973 haben wir den GUM und es gibt die "Fehlerrechnung" und die "Fehlerfortpflanzung" nicht mehr, so wie sie 2010 in WP beschrieben wird. Fühlen Sie sich berufen? Mir ist das eine Nummer zu heavy. Grüsse Cms metrology (talk) 18:00, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Your images
Which program do you use to make those *.svg images of yours? They look pretty good and I am just wondering... :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.105.35.82 (talk) 01:09, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * inkscape. Some old drawings were first made in xfig and later translated, but since 2006, I have been doing practically all my drawing in inkscape. --DrTorstenHenning (talk) 15:47, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Good job I must say. Especially those signs. Keep the good work! 193.105.35.82 (talk) 00:21, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I also want to thank You for images. I am now in translating European_hazard_symbols into bosnian. Previously, I have translated parts of Nanotechology. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Palapa (talk • contribs) 12:21, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Habana

A tag has been placed on Habana requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person, organization (band, club, company, etc.) or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, contest the deletion by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". Doing so will take you to the talk page where you will find a pre-formatted place for you to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that the administrator userfy the page or email a copy to you. Vrenator    talk   10:24, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Bild-nutzung
Hallo Torsten,

Das Verbotszeichen habe ich bei Hurraki verwendet.

Jaywalking Verbotszeichen

Danke und Gruß

Manzal — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.43.43.98 (talk) 18:07, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 12:57, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

title: User talk:DrTorstenHenning


text:
Georgians in Turkey

Georgians in Turkey (ქართველები თურქეთში) refers to citizens and denizens of Turkey who are, or descend from, ethnic Georgians.

Numbers and distribution
In the census of 1965, those who spoke Georgian as first language were proportionally most numerous in Artvin (3.7%), Ordu (0.9%) and Kocaeli (0.8%).

Georgians live scattered throughout Turkey, although they are primarily concentrated in two major regions:

 * The Black Sea coast, in the provinces of Giresun, Ordu, Samsun, Sinop, Amasya, and Tokat. Chveneburi Georgians (particularly in Fatsa, Ünye, Ordu, Terme, and Çarşamba) largely preserve their language and traditions.
 * Northwestern Turkey, in the provinces of Düzce, Sakarya, Yalova, Kocaeli, Bursa, and Balıkesir.

Magnarella estimated the number of Georgians in Turkey to have been over 60,000 in 1979.

Imerkhevians
Imerkhevians (Shavshetians) are an ethnographic subgroup of Georgians who speak the Imerkhevian dialect (imerkheuli) of the Georgian language, which shares many common features with the neighboring Adjarian. Imerkhevians are the indigenous population of Artvin Province.

The majority of the Imerkhevians today live in an area they call Imerkhevi. The population of Imerkhevi is largely composed of ethnic Georgians, who inhabit 14 hamlets around Meydancık (formerly known as Diobani). These settlements have both official Turkish and unofficial Georgian names. Reflecting some internal differentiation persisting in Turkey's Georgian community, the Imerkhevians claim a different origin from the Georgians in the Borçka area, who have adopted an inclusive Adjar identity. The Imerkhevians are Sunni Muslims, closely integrated with the Turkish society. Almost all are bilingual in Georgian and Turkish.

Chveneburi
Chveneburi (ჩვენებური, çveneburi), meaning "of us" in Georgian, is an endonym of Georgian-descended Muslim immigrants who had settled in non-Georgian majority regions of Turkey, thus, "of us" signifies a triple distinction from Christian Georgians, Muslim Turks, and autochthonous Muslim Georgians from Artvin. As with most Turkish citizens, most Chveneburi subscribe to the Hanafi madh'hab of Sunni Islam.

Chveneburi Georgians had arrived in Turkey in three waves of migration due to pogroms by the Russian Empire, in what is now called the Circassian genocide. The first wave was during and after the 1828-1829 Russo-Turkish War, when the Sublime Porte consigned its sovereignty over several parts of Georgia to the Russian Empire.

Minor waves of immigration followed until the end of the 1877-1878 Russo-Turkish War, when the Ottoman Empire allowed Chveneburis to immigrate. This wave of immigration involved at least 500,000 people from historic Georgian regions that had considerable Muslim populations, such as Batumi and Kars. As a result, many Muslim-majority regions of Georgia were left virtually depopulated.

The last sizable wave of immigration was in 1921, when Turkey finally gave up its claims on Adjara in the Treaty of Kars with the Soviet republics. This last wave also involved Turkish-speaking Muslims from Upper Adjara. Adjarians were also known by their places of origin, such as Batumlular for people from Batumi or Çürüksulular for people from Kobuleti.

Press
The most important Georgian cultural magazine in Turkey also bears the name Çveneburi. It was founded in 1977 in Stockholm, Sweden by Shalva Tevzadze. It is distributed in Turkey by Ahmet Özkan Melashvili, who also wrote the book Gürcüstan (Georgia) in 1968. In 1980, Özkan was assassinated in Bursa by the Grey Wolves. Since then, Fahrettin Çiloğlu has been in charge of the magazine. Between 1997 and 2006, Osman Nuri Mercan was the editor of the magazine. The magazine's content is almost completely in Turkish, and presents articles on Chveneburi Georgians, the history of Georgia, and Georgians worldwide. Another journal, Pirosmani, bilingual in Georgian and Turkish, is published in Istanbul, sponsored by the Georgian Catholic Simon Zazadze.

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

title: Georgians in Turkey


text:
Talk:Bishop Stopford's School

Assess
Good basis for great wiki article. Lots of info. Beware copyright of song and prayer etc. Pictures good addition. References essential to get "good article" status. Victuallers 09:22, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Plaquett
Plaquett - ten house points - or was it three! Rich Farmbrough 13:08, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I think it was the Merit that was three house points. SandJ-on-WP (talk) 11:26, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

House names
I am not certain I have the full names of the six houses correct. If anyone with a copy of the rule book can correct this, I'd be obliged. DavidFarmbrough

Coventry  C Georges    G   King Alfreds    K

Temples   T Waltham    W  Trinity    Y

At or at?
Don't know why the upper case A of 'At' has been replaced by a lower. It's part of a title so should be capitalised. I have seen quite a bit of this on wikipedia. any comments? DavidFarmbrough (08:40 BST 14 Jul 2005)

The school's own website has a small "a", so I'm moving the article. Rich Farmbrough 18:04, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Headteacher or Headmistress?
I thought the current head styled herself Headteacher. This is what she uses in letters to parents and other places on the School website. DavidFarmbrough 13:50 BST 24 Aug 2005 WMD
 * Probably does. I'm with Geo on this one. Self identification, I suppose..... Rich Farmbrough 09:42, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * By the way good contemporary edits from our anon IP author. Rich Farmbrough 09:42, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

With My Duty/Treading On The Camomile
CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHETHER THEY STILL WRITE "With My Duty", as when I was there we used the acronym, "WMD". I don't thinik Ofsted would like seeing Weapons of Mass Destruction at the top of every piece of work. Further more, can anyone tell me where I can get a copy of Treading on the Camomile? User:152.78.254.243 02:36, 7 November 2005, I always wrote With my Duty, this was heavily enforced early on right up until Mrs Evans turned up, when it was not seen as being so important. (Nathan P. Bridle) 01/04/2006

 * AFAIK They still write With My Duty - the recent revisions were done by someone with current knowledge of the school - so I guess if this had been abandoned this would have been changed along with the loss of the Choir Form and the Beating Of The Bounds. TOTC should be available from the School (they were selling copies at £6 at Geo's memorial service a couple of months back) - although they may redirect you to the Parents And Friends - DavidFarmbrough 09:47, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Yep, I'm a current pupil in the school and they do ask that you write WMD or With My Duty, however it's not very strictly enforced. (James Maul)

It should be "With my Duty" in full! WMD is weapons of mass destruction and not permitted by traditional teachers at the school. (A Teacher)

nope.. the rule has now slackned and with my duty is not mandatory anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.35.136.169 (talk) 01:16, 19 July 2008 (UTC) A Teacher, whoever you are, uphold the traditions of the school and do not let Mrs Evans meddle with them. Bring back full academic dress including hoods on foundres day for more than just SLT.

Forgiveness
What was it? Sounds harsh!

 * I talked about this on the Iain Lee show on LBC (9 August 2005) when he asked people to telephone in with acconts of unusual punishments. I think forgiveness varied over the years but on the two occasions I had to do it I was made to carry bricks round the Yard for about an hour, and had to do lots of press-ups. The third occasion I opted for the blue shorts as I didn't want to waste my time! DavidFarmbrough 10:25, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Forgiveness was harsh and it was meant to be. When I started at Bishops, the cane was still in use.  One of the other boys in my class of 1C got the cane.  By the time I was in the 5th year, the cane was no longer in use, and that was 1981 (not 1987 like the article says).  However, Forgiveness also applied to School Detentions.  Prefect Detentions, Private (Teacher's) Detentions and Class Detentions were all fairly short affairs after school.  The far more serious School Detention, like the cane, required a letter to go home to the parents to be signed prior to the punishment.  Since some kids would get a damn good hiding at home for being in trouble, Forgiveness had been brought in as an option for those pupils: parents were not informed if you opted for Forgiveness.  When I was there it usually comprised either running round the field all lunch time in your underwear and bare feet, or all lunch time in the gym going up and down and round the wall bars in underwear and bare feet.  There was kudos in doing Forgiveness: it was perceived as tougher than the cane and was definitely worse than School Detention.  But, your parents never found out.  However, I never heard mention of 'trial by shorts' when I was there.  SandJ-on-WP (talk) 11:34, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

New Headteacher/Changes to traditions
Alas, the new Headteacher, Mrs. Bridget Evans, has got rid of a lot of the traditions which made the school so special. This can only be a sad thing. The School's traditions should be upheld at all costs. (comment moved from article to talk page) 86.137.172.17
 * That may be so but we can't put our opionions in the article as it just has to be factual. My view is that it is principally the traditions which keep the school notable, in the absence of any academic distinction. Therefore, to ensure it has a place in wikipedia, where a tradition has been abandoned or modified, the former practice should be set out with additional wording setting out the current practice. I am pretty sure they would have abandoned the blue and black shorts thing, as corporal punishment is frowned upon these days, so perhaps someone who has attended or taught at the school during the last twenty years can update this section. DavidFarmbrough 12:19, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Traditions
I am thinking of revising the page on Stopford's to make it truly first rate. I left in 2003. I am very interested in what traditions existed before i was at the school as i can only remember the Pickard/Evans era. If someone could list a comprehensive set of traditions with details i would much appreciate it. Be as broad as possible, include assemblies, punishments, notable teachers etc...

Also, any old memorabelia, such as Speech Day Programmes, or old photos that could be put on the site would be good. If anyone fancies taking on this task with me i would appreciate an experienced voice.

 * I left in 2001 and remember distinctly seeing two pairs of shorts, one blue, and one black, in Pickard's study when i went to collect Placets. Now i know what they were for! Do students at Bishops still have the opportunity to attend Chapel every morning at 8.15?

Yes they can. The Chaplin is Father Steven Taylor who look over after Father Lowery left in 1992.

Old Stopfordians
Is there an old Stopfordian society, there should be
 * AFAIK Bishop Stopford's Old Boys which was the original alumni organisation changed to The Stopfordians in about 1990, and is a going concern. They haven't issued a newsletter for a while. While we're on the subject of old Stopfordians, are there really only two famous old Stopfordians? That is pathetic compared with Stonyhurst College. What about that old boy who came back and donated some of his 'art' to the school. He was supposedly famous, does anyone remember his name? Also is Benedict "Benny" Huggins (brother of Warren "Woz" Huggins) really presenting a programme on Sky TV as stated in the Friends Reunited Famous ex-pupils section? DavidFarmbrough 10:06, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

..Why is it suprising that Stopford's does not have as many famous old Stopfordian's as Stonyhurt? It is much more recent. And also i'm sure there are some more from the old Suffolks which i guess could count.
 * I was not surprised by the difference, I wasn't comparing the performances of the two schools' ex-pupils, more the information that was posted here about them (even if you ignore Stonyhurst's pre-1967 existence). Suffolks pupils could count if they transferred to Bishop's. DavidFarmbrough 12:04, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Friends Reunited
What do people think of the Stopford's Friends Reunited site, i think it is really good compared to others.

 * The structure of F R is a bit weak, mainly because it is very difficult to navigate. But the content is good. When looking at other schools' FR pages, I am surprised that no other schools seemed to have so many odd or comedic teachers as Bishops. Perhaps there should be a link. DavidFarmbrough 12:08, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I totally agree. Our FR site is such a laugh and any student of the last 38 years will find many tales relevant to them.

Organ
If anyone has any details on the organ would they please list it. I hope you like my recent additions. Regards, An Old Stopfordian, class of 96.
 * There is a good biography of the organ in TOTC. I will see if I can put something up because it's better than any other school organ I've heard. Your recent additions are very helpful and interesting, thank you. DavidFarmbrough 12:13, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
 * TOTC? Sounds good, would be very interested to see anything else you have on the school like old photos, founders' day programmes, speech day programmes, prospecti etc??

 * I came across my school folder while clearing out some old papers. I'll try to do a few scans by 2006. Rich   Farmbrough 11:34, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Great, that sounds really interesting.

Layout
Content is now superb, and better than many other comparable schools. If DF or RF could use their knowledge to reorganise the site into a more fluent article that would be much appreciated. I am very pleased to note that Stopford's has a better page than Eton, Rugby, Radley or Harrow.

Four points:

 * 1) The reference to the Mathematics and Computing specialism has been deleted - They still put this on their letters so I believe it still applies. any thoughts on this?
 * 2) 'Voluntary-aided' has been removed, but it still has 'Voluntary-aided' on its sign (and in the most recent OFSTED report) so I presume that hasn't changed - comments please?
 * 3) Regarding uniforms - there is a reference to a dress code among staff. can this be correct? When I attended (78 to 85) there were some smart teachers, but many adopted teacher-style clothes (mis-matching jacket and trousers, scruffy tie, elbow patches, and see also Worzel below). Perhaps this was tightened up during the Pickard era.
 * 4) I am not sure that the fact that Miss Doré used to dress unconventionally should be included here - yes she was known as Worzel Gummidge, but that's really what Friends Reunited is for - so I have taken out the reference and instead put a link to the FR Bishop's site. DavidFarmbrough 13:41, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

--The school is still voluntarily aided in the terms that it owns it's own building, but the tag no longer applies. --The Pickard era saw teacher dress code much more strictly enforced, although there were still some Wurzels. Namely Mr. Geary and Miss. Dore. --The was a staff dress-code during the Pickard era, which is now gone i believe. Alas.

 * Re forms of address, be it noted that in the days when I had principles, I refused to address any master as "Sir" unless I believed he deserved the honorific, instead referring to them as "Mister X". I never had any problem with staff over this. Also I'm not sure that "lesson" and "teacher" were absent from our lexicon. Rich   Farmbrough. 19:21, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

 * During the Pickard era teachers were still referred to as Sir or Miss, although i believe that has subsided now. Master and Mistress were used when describing a teacher, such as one's Maths Master, or saying Miss. Dore was a Maths Mistress.

St Cheolfrith (sp) prize etc.
Perhaps we could have details of these, and Prize Giving. Rich  Farmbrough. 19:33, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Prizes are awarded on Speech Day. There are prizes for all the academic subjects, two for each form, and some memorial prizes. Some of the latest prizes are as follows:

The Raymond Solly prize for lower school English - Given to students in First Year, Second Year or Third Year for English. Mr. Solly, a former teacher and school legend, presents the trophy.

The Mrs. Farmer Prize for Home Economics - After the sad death of long serving home economics teacher Mrs. Farmer.

I believe the St. Cheolfrith prize is for public speaking, and is still awarded although the marvellous trophy is very fragile.

 * When I was awarded the Public Speaking Prize, I was told I couldn't have the trophy itself as it was a statue of a man which had become detached from its base. I was instead presented with the Guinness Book of British Hit Singles by Tim Westwood's father, Bill Westwood, the then Bishop of Edmonton. This was during the Speech Day where the then outgoing Bishop angered Dr Roberts by saying he would referring to his habit of making up instant traditions. I later found the trophy in a pile of beekeeping equipment in an anté room to the Head Master's study, during a euphonium lesson. I don't recall it being called the Ceolfrid, prize though. DavidFarmbrough 10:57, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Could anyone give any details in the school's most prestigous prize, the Mallard Box?

There was also the Checkered/Chequered Shield and the Monkweirmouth and Jarrow Prizes. Rich  Farmbrough. 19:41, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

 * When I won the sheild I was told I couldn't have it because it had been lost.... Probably with the beekeping equipt. Rich  Farmbrough. 12:54, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

South East Wing Huts
Are they really planning to destroy them? They are classic Stopfords. Designed to last a year and have been there for 30 years. I can't believe they would be destroyed if the legend that is Mr. Solly was still there. For those who didn't go to Stopford's Mr. Solly was surely one of the greatest English teachers of all time, in any school. He was also the greatest disciplinarian of his age.
 * He was a very amusing teacher, but I thought his discipline was normal. Rich  Farmbrough. 18:07, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Toilet roll
If you find Bishop's on Google World you can see toilet roll around where the boys changing rooms were. Possibly the only toliet roll visible on the whole world, and it has to be Bishop's! Rich  Farmbrough. 18:07, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Can you give a link please? DavidFarmbrough 12:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * YOu will need to download googleEarth I think. Quite a big download. Rich  Farmbrough. 12:55, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Dr Roberts
Now Dr. Roberts has passed on it would be nice if someone could write a decent length article on him. I would do one on Mr. Pickard however as he is still alive it would be unfair. Dr Geoffrey Roberts Head Master 1967 1988

Geoffrey Roberts became the School’s first Head Master in 1967, himself an English Graduate of Sheffield University where he met his wife, Betty, also an English Graduate and teacher of English. He often stated that the school had been founded in the teeth of fierce opposition by the then Enfield Council, which was the reason for his choice of the Camomile plant as the school’s symbol of defiance: ‘The camomile, common plant of the fields, the more it is trodden on, the faster it grows’. Many generations of Stopfordians will remember these words which were annually recited as the old Head boy/girl gave way to their successors and handed this plant to them in a silver bowl while reciting this quotation in assembly at the end of the summer term. This bowl was always carried into all assemblies along with the school roll, which every member of staff and pupil were expected to sign and which was regarded as a ‘bond with this world and the next’, underlining the Christian vision of the school.

As a schoolmaster, Dr Roberts inspired many generations of Stopfordians with an utterly traditional approach to education. The school was run on a very strict basis and there was an absolute insistence on uniform being worn correctly and homework being completed on time. Pupils would stand if a member of staff entered the room, and corporal punishment was allowed until its abolition in 1987. Improperly dressed pupils were sent home. Dr Roberts could appear as quite tyrannical to the younger pupils and would often tap on the door of a classroom with his cane before entering. He would also instigate special assemblies to deal with disciplinary issues, during which he would bellow loudly at the gathered pupils and wave his cane for dramatic effect.

However, those who grew to know him better as they progressed in the school discovered a man of acute intelligence and learning, who used the English language in a remarkable and powerful fashion, inspired by a love of literature many of his pupils carry with them. He very much enjoyed quotation and would particularly relish explaining biblical allusions in writers such as Conrad, Lawrence and Shaw as well as demonstrating a profound understanding of Shakespeare. It is a tribute to his energy that he completed his doctoral thesis on Shaw’s ‘Androcles and the Lion’ in his summer holidays over some twelve years. He was also the director of the main school play, and produced ‘Oedipus Rex’, ‘The Merchant of Venice’,’ She stoops to Conquer’,’ Othello’, ‘The Crucible’, among others.

During his twenty-one years at the school, he is perhaps most famous for the instigation of the school’s many traditions. The beating of the bounds on Ascension Day was a race round the school’s boundaries where the competitors would ‘beat’ the school boundaries with small ropes in the Anglo-Saxon tradition of securing an area. Again, a symbolical act of defiance against the local bureaucrats! He always rewarded the competitors with tea and cakes afterwards. The prefect system with its hierarchy of coloured gowns, from grey to deep blue! Some will remember the Christening of the school bell or the weekly lunch for visitors in his dining-room, preceded by liberal servings of Croft Original, Amontilado or Luncheon Dry!

Many Old Stopfordians may not realise that Dr Roberts also generated funds for the school by running three tuck shops, and stocking them himself with a number of trips to a local cash and carry in Ponders End. It is also true that many may have missed one of his greatest qualities: the capacity for self-parody and satire. Beneath the surface of an apparently austere man, an instinctive grasp of the absurd was never far away. Thus, behind the conventional schoolmaster, there lay an anarchic humour, which was often curbed by his loyal wife who warned him against the dangers of his more eccentric schemes, such as the plaque for the aforesaid bureaucrats to be connected to the boys’ changing-rooms where they may smell’ urine, armpits and sweaty socks for all eternity’.

Geoffrey Roberts was once heard to say that he began the school with some empty classrooms and a broken test tube rack and ended his time there, ‘a time-worn vessel of a mummified husk’. That may be so, but his vision endures. --Taylorgaryt (talk) 10:17, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Three Line whip
I am aware of what a three line whip in terms of parliament but it is mentioned on the stopford's friends reunited page as something to do with Dr. Roberts. Could David or Richard shed any light on this matter. I would also love to hear some more stories from u2 about the early days of stopfords so i can compare it to when i was there in the 1990s.
 * Doesn't ring a bell with me. Rich  Farmbrough. 12:51, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Creeping capitalisation
'Tis a curse of modern corporate-speak, and the school website suffers from it. The elevation to proper-noun status of positions, groups of people and places that are not place names are the vanguard of the movement. Thus, for example, "The current Head Master addressed the assembled Pupils about the Rules governing Home Visits." (Not a direct quote.) We are in a position of weakness because such entities as the School Song, may, I think, be correctly capitalised in that usage, but not in others. Rich  Farmbrough. 12:51, 14 February 2006 (UTC) (In due course governing will doubtless inherit a capital from Governor, assembled from Assembly and so forth.) Rich  Farmbrough. 12:53, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The use of capital letters at the beginning of non-proper nouns was more widespread before English became standardised. It is used a lot by lawyers, primarily because of their habit of using capitals to indicate defined terms. Whenever Dr Roberts would send a letter or other written communication from the School (or do I mean 'school'?), he would have it checked by the head of the English Department (No, that's a title!), Nick Mills. Perhaps the current administration is also untroubled by such niceties. DavidFarmbrough 11:25, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Having said that, I have just gone through capitalising Eucharist. Is this never referred to as communion any more in the school? I think we may also need to capitalise Chaplain as it's a title. DavidFarmbrough 10:11, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Sadly grammar is something no longer focussed upon at Stopford's. The former English master Mr. Solly famously taught grammar from Fowler's Modern English Usage right up until his retirement, long after the book had gone out of fashion. The current head is an English teacher and therefore one would expect her to have a reasonable level of competence with the language however this does not appear to be the case. I would think that the only English teacher capable of proof-reading properly still at the school is the wonderful character, Mrs. Hannan. The terms Eucharist and Communion are used interchangably. I believe that the rule book uses the term Communion but the blue books containing the service order, replaced now with white cards, use the term Eucharist. USer:152.78.254.243
 * Retired? I remember him arriving! "My name is MR Solly!" "Get the jokes over with, Solly Golly... " Of course that stuck in my head forever.  He taught us English in an art room, that was supposed to have been demolished after the war. Rich Farmbrough, 23:09, 4 August 2009 (UTC).
 * There is some subtlety about what constitutes a title. I went through pope making substantial changes from capital P to lowercase, expcting to get torn to sherds, but everyone seemed happy with it. Certainly we talk about Queen Elizabeth, or the Queen (possibly The Queen ?) coming to tea, but it should be "crowns are worn by kings and queens". And while it is Miss Smith, Sir Rumpley-Wumply or Lord Splodge, I have my doubts about "staff should refer to their Manager" or "their Head of Department" - this is a position not a title. Similarly the School Rules are a book, but pupils break a school rule. I would only urge a little thought, and we will all doubtless change anything we disagree with, and discuss if it's a problem as per. Rich   Farmbrough. 10:48, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Hymns
What hymns do you guys remember singing at Stopford's? I always enjoyed singing along with the bellowing organ in the background played by the amazing Mr. Smith, whose hair never stayed still. I particularly remember the following: Christian Dost Thou See Them, Guide Me O Thou Great Redeemer, Onward Christian Soldiers, Amazing Grace and Christ Is Made The Sure Foundation.

 * I also remember choir practice with Mr 'Percy' Dennis and Nick Mills. They performed a creditable double act with the catchphrase 'Isn't that so Mr Mills?', 'Quite so, Mr Dennis!'. As for hymns, I think we must have gone through the entire A & M (R) and English Hymnal but don't remember doing Amazing Grace. No doubt someone will be along shortly to tell us that hymns were replaced in 2002 with The Millennium Book Of Weak, Modernised, Songs Of Collective Worship.DavidFarmbrough 10:03, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Sadly the scenario is worse that you predicted. Hymns have been abolished in toto since the departure of Mr. Smith at all but end of term communions.

 * I remember Lowry's delight in "Christian doest thou see them" -also in the (spoken) line "goeth about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour".  The last song in the book had an optional "amen" at the end.  In  hymn practice it was always the last hymn we sang.  The distinction being that with one pianist, Mr Mills, we avoided the amen, with the other (I forget who) we sang it. The pupils weren't clued in on this however until some months into the school year, having been shouted at by both pianists, one of the masters took pity ,and explained the situation.  Rich   Farmbrough. 11:34, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Infobox
I would like to add one of these to the article. It needs a little work beforehand though. Most fields are optional, we can remove these before going "live". See Bishop Stopford's School at Enfield/Infobox. Rich  Farmbrough. 10:38, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Can we please have a difinitve ruling as to which motto the school uses: Animvs Noster Dei Gloria or Animus Noster Dei Gloria. I'm sure being a traditionalist Roberts would prefer the Latinised "v" in Animvs. Otherwise good idea.

 * Grades should come out as it's an American thing. Is it a standard template? As for the motto, I haven't seen it written as Animvs as far as I can recall. DavidFarmbrough 09:45, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Yes it's standard. Leave grades blank and it shouldn't show up. I guess we could put "Years 7-14" Rich   Farmbrough 14:42 7  March 2006 (UTC).
 * Well I was partly wrong about that. It's in the article now. Rich  Farmbrough 14:47 7  March 2006 (UTC).

Rules
Have the rules, then, been abolished, returning to the status quo ante. Rich  Farmbrough? 11:15, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * What do you mean, have they been abolished? They seem plain enough to me.

 * The rule book. Perhaps one should read "Pupils are forbidden to use correct Punctuation in all it's forms." Rich Farmbrough, 14:08 23  October 2006 (GMT).

Four fold salute
The Four Fold Salute is:

GLORIA DEO VIVAT REGINA PROCEDAT LUDUS FLOREAT CHAMEALEUM

or something like that. Whilst I know what it means when was it used and what significance did it have as I cannot remember hearing it once.

Also, any details on the promised bio of the organ?
 * AFAICR This used to be printed on things like the Rule Book and orders of service for Founder's Day and the Service Of Nine Lessons And Carols. It may have been spoken, but I can't recall any instances of this. DavidFarmbrough 09:47, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Mr July
I have moved the details of his death here as it is essentially a news item. Also, I didn't feel that I should remove the author's comments on his popularity etc., whereas they couldn't really remain on the main page. DavidFarmbrough 09:34, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Mr July known as Morpheus to the older pupils passed away in late 2004 at a young age due to lung cancer. He shortly before had married his long-term partner. The pupils were devasated by the loss of this very popular George's house teacher and two memorial services where held in his honour. Mr July can be seen in the form pictures of 2004's 11G when he filled in for their absent form tutor.

Form numbers
When I was at Stopford's we used the numbering system 1 - 5 for year groups. In the Mr. July section 11G is mentioned, does this mean the school has sadly moved to the new 7-13 numbering system or was it 1G mistyped?
 * I think this has been done all over the country. The number is supposed to represent the number of years you have been in the education system, but is flawed because you have the same form number at the start of the academic year as at the end of it, and also because you have some children starting at 3 and others at 4 or 5. I am often told by teachers that the Dept. Of Education seems to introduce a lot of change for the sake of it. DavidFarmbrough 16:15, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Both systems are used. The 1-5 is currenly used as in "1st Years""2nd years" ect. but the forms are now named 7G 8G ect. this was changed in 2002. Before that forms where 1G 2G ect. Tamatisk 08:35, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

John Craven's Newsround
Is it true that the School appeared on John Craven's Newsround? If so, why?

School walk
Can anyone expand the school walk article please.

Friday Luncheon
Can anyone remember enough about this to write an article. I always remember Miss. Glennie, a German mistress, used to try and avoid the whole affair.

Sport
Does anyone remember the Stopford run for boys at the start of every term?

And WINTER SPORTS, across Fawlty Hall.
 * Yes, the cross-country run was a bit of a waste of time, although it wasn't for me, as I managed not to do it after that first year.

I think it's Forty Hall, rather than Fawlty Hall, but I don't remember any sports there during 1978-1985. DavidFarmbrough 17:44, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * It is indeed Forty Hall. We occasionally used to do a cross country run round the grounds of Forty Hall.  Sometimes it was just for PE bit I also took part in one which was competitive with a finish line with parents present.  I was there 1975 to 1981.

We also used to use the sports arena on the other side of the A10. SandJ-on-WP (talk) 11:46, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Selected Old Stopfordians (again)
Thanks for adding the additional info. I have tweaked this to wikify but can't find "Steven Hanness" on the IMDB list of cast and crew for "The Importance of Being Earnest". Does anyone know what role he played? Is there a source for this? Lucy Bolster may have married one of Blue, but which one? I couldn't find details of the wedding in the BBC news archive, nor any details on Blue's home page. Got a lot more on Benny Huggins, who seems to have done well for himself - he used to be an estate agent in Enfield. "Stuart Taylor - Journalist" is a bit brief - do we know for which publications? Also, did David Kort become successful as an actor in the end? DavidFarmbrough 14:02, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

As a follow-up fo this, does anyone have any sources for: Steven Hanness, Lucy Bolster, Jeremy Lush or Stuart Taylor? DavidFarmbrough 00:53, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

No follow up for a month so I am removing references to them. If we have a citation, then they can always be reverted. DavidFarmbrough 12:57, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Fr. Taylor
The school's website says that from May a new Chaplain will take over, Father Anthony Homer. Does anyone know why or whether Fr. Taylor has left. This is most worrying, as without him Mrs. Evans will be free to abolish all the traditions the school has held dear for 40 years.
 * Assuming you're correct, it may be possible that the new Chaplain will be similarly minded to the present incumbent. DavidFarmbrough 11:40, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Alas I think not however he is not from the inside, so will know only the traditions he is told about.
 * Crockfords clerical directory shows:

"HOMER A F   Retired

HOMER A J   ST LEONARDS (Christ Church and St Mary Magdalen) "

Is he either of these? Or is he not a Church Of England minister at present? DavidFarmbrough 14:56, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * D'oh! Rich Farmbrough 12:07 16  May 2006 (UTC).

Isn't there rather too much about the new chaplain? He needs his own wikipedia article. Can somebody do the appropriate editing? (A Teacher)
 * A. Teacher is quite correct. The information should be boiled down, and if necessary moved to a sub-section under "noteworthy teachers".   Only information about the post of chaplain should be kept in that section. The information about the possible controversy relating to the school traditions should be moved to a seprate section, and considered in the light of WP:BLP. Rich Farmbrough, 12:31 27  February 2007 (GMT).

dodgy goings on
Is it true there were some dodgy goings on at the school, particularly involving Dr. Roberts.
 * I think you need to be more specific. FWIW I think Dr Roberts's moral standards were very high. DavidFarmbrough 10:04, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * How incredibly vague. And unsigned.  SandJ-on-WP (talk) 11:48, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

clean up
any ideas on the clean up? i corrected some unhelpful edits and thanks for the info on WMD and the new uniform although i though it proper to include the line re. gowns as for many they are an integral part of the school. shame the new headmistress seems to intent on abolishing everything that makes stopfords great.

 * I removed the clean-up tag because I don't think it needs clean-up in the wikipedia sense. It probably would benefit from further information being added, but I think everything that is there is fine. DavidFarmbrough 10:46, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

New tie
What sounds like a very good idea could be a disaster, does anyone have any examples of some of the new ties. There will be forty-two different ties once this is fully enforced!

The Bogs
Are the toilets in every secondary school in England referred to as 'the bogs'? Was this just a Stopfordian thing? DavidFarmbrough 10:50, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * My older siblings from from the North of England and used the term. It was used in my junior school.  It has been used in my workplaces.  I think it is at least an English thing, if not wider.  It is in the urban Dictionary too: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bogs   SandJ-on-WP (talk) 11:51, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Uniform for teachers?
The article presently states "Male members of staff should wear a suit." I would have thought a dress code for the teachers unenforceable. In (79-85) some male teachers wore suits, but the majority wore the usual teachers' mis-match of jacket and trousers. Anyone at Bishop's during Charles Chaplin's teaching time will remember his navy blue blazer over a blue or maroon pullover, for example. So my question is, at what stage (if ever) did a Head Master or Head Mistress actually tell masters that they had to wear a suit. I would suspect never. DavidFarmbrough 13:15, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

 * I am unaware of specifics but I distinctly remember being told by Mrs Melhuish and Miss Glennie during the Pickard era that only recently had they been permitted to wear trousers rather than skirts, thereby implying a staff dresscode.

Chunk removed from article some time ago, but of passing interest
The school song is known to bring some masters and mistresses, as well as students, to tears. Mrs. Chalmers, who was a student at the school and went on to become Head of Geography, found it hard to complete the hymn without crying. This was by no means uncommon. Pupils have always been expected to learn the school song in the First Year and many will have memories of the former Director of Music, Mr. Smith teaching it to them. - 		 - 	Mr. Smith taught at the school since it opened in 1967 and was the Director of Music up until his retirement in 2002. He played the school organ in every assembly and was one of the most loved teachers by many. His organ playing was first class, he is a Fellow of the Royal College of Church Musicians and is the only man in the country to have played on every Cathedral organ. Every Stopfordian will remember his interpretation of the hymn "Christian Dost Thou See Them", during which he added an extra two notes to which the hole congregation proceeded to bob up and down once. He was famous for singing and playing the organ at the same time and he ran the choir form. Since his departure there was one more Director of Music, Mr. D. Bruton, however all since then have not taken this title, and have, alas, not been able to play the organ. This has meant that on numerous occasions throughout the year Mr. Smith returns to play the organ however it does mean that pupils today do not get the daily dose of organ music they used to. Rich Farmbrough, 12:21 27 February 2007 (GMT).

 * Why was this removed it is of obvious interest and import! Removal of words such as 'alas' and any opinion will make it an entirely reasonable and informative piece. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.145.95.231 (talk) 18:55, 28 February 2007 (UTC).

 * I think it was removed because it is what is called 'school-cruft' - not quite right for an encyclopaedia. It's OK to say that someone was 'loved by many' on Friends Reunited, but difficult to substantiate,which is what would be needed for it to be included here. Would this also lead to a list of teachers that are despised by many? DavidFarmbrough 14:38, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Responsibility
If a person does a yahoo search for "Bishop Stopford's School", then this article comes up before the school's own home page. I think that editors have a responsibility (as they do with all articles) to ensure that the article is as accurate and neutral as possible. There is a fair bit about the declining standards in some areas (for example music and traditions) but to be fair and accurate, there should also be something about areas where there have been improvements since the latest Head arrived, particularly in the field of education. I hope contributors will keep this in mind. Perhaps someone with a bit of free time can go through the Ofsted (or whatever it is these days!) reports and get something to balance the article a bit. 82.44.214.197 22:59, 1 April 2007 (UTC)(David Farmbrough)

 * i was there under mr pickard for three years and mrs evans for four years, cant say she has made ANY improvements. the school is going to the dogs thanks to her, sooner she goes and Dr Tiffen is made Head Master the better, he is stopford's last chance. he is the only remaining master with any shred of respect for the traditions.

House areas
When did the Temples area change from the lower West wing to the old Trintiy area?

I remember for four years my form room was W3 under the direction of Miss Glennie with Mrs Leverington and Mr Bruton as heads of house.Good to see temples as house champs again tho! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.120.28 (talk) 01:46, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Bible
In the literature given out to newcomers to the school parents are asked to provide a Bible that is GNB, NIV or CEV. To mention the NEB is therefore misleading. The Religious Studies Department (previously called Divinity ... this title was questioned by Church inspectors so changed) uses both the NIV and the CEV for study, depending on age and context. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.35.133.124 (talk) 11:02, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * This has clearly changed, we had to provide three books, Hymns Ancient and Modern, Revised, Phillips Scool Atlas and a Bible, I believe the GNB. There  was certainly no choice in the version. Also house coloured football kit, white athletics kit, a carpentry apron and of course uniform including blazer.  In those days there was of course no requirement for a pocket calculator, my HP-35 was seen as mysterious wonder by my peers - when I dared bring it to school. Rich Farmbrough, 00:37, 5 August 2009 (UTC).

Building Update?
The latest update on the new buildings was dated Feb 2008 on the school home page. Yet the latest buildings were due for completion in April. Presumably then, just like the new gym and the Orchard Wing, it's behind schedule. Anyone know the position? DavidFarmbrough (talk) 23:08, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

The new admin building is now operational and open.. the DT&English building will be completed for this september.. and the new 6thform and canteen within the next 1 or 2 years. (student at the school) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.35.136.169 (talk) 01:19, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Name
Commonly known as...
 * "Bishop Stopford's Maths and computing School" -wikipedia 4 of which 2 are wikpedia derived and 2 are a google-catcher spam site.
 * "Bishop Stopford's School at Enfield" -wikipedia 49
 * "Bishop Stopford's School" -wikipedia 2170

Moreover the school website does not refer to it with this name. on this basis I am reverting the page move, and removing the reference to the name.

Rich Farmbrough, 13:33 2 September 2008 (GMT).
 * Please try to discuss this article move here; the article and talk page were moved to separate locations, and I have moved the article at the moment to match the talk page at Bishop Stopford's Maths and Computing School. --Jh12 (talk) 19:52, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

actually.. the school is called Bishop Stopford's Maths and computing School due to its new status. I am a student so i should know..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.234.58.157 (talk) 15:24, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The school web site and 'Messenger' refer to it simply as 'Bishop Stopford's School'. Ofsted's site uses the same nomenclature. DavidFarmbrough (talk) 04:23, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

The application form does say "Does the applicant have a sibling(s) who will be attending Bishop Stopford’s School at Enfield, at the time of admission?" What is impossible to tell at the moment is whether the usage of the short name is lazy, or the name has been changed to loose the "at Enfield" and the form not updated. Rich Farmbrough, 23:19, 4 August 2009 (UTC).

When I attended this school from 1975 to 1982, it was most definitely called "Bishop Stopford's School at Enfield". We were instructed to always use the name in full because there was another Bishop Stopford's school somewhere else. Has the at Enfield part been dropped since then? SandJ-on-WP (talk) 08:33, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Pilgrimage: 11 m or 22 km?
We were, I believe always told it was eleven miles or twenty-two kilometres from Ware to Enfield Lock (in as straight a line as can be managed after stopping at the various hostelries on the way). But the conversion doesn't work. 22 km is about 13 miles. Looking at Google maps, the distance would appear to be about 10 miles or 16 kilometres. So do we owe all those people who sponsored us per kilometre a refund? Perhaps someone who has done the walk more recently than twenty three years ago can check the map and pinpoint the precise start and finish points to get an accurate measurement. P.S. Old Roberts was a cunning sort. He realised that by measuring in KM he could more or less double the sponsor money! P.P.S. Does the Chaplain still bless the pilgrims? (Geo remarked that one of the pupils observed "T'aint the sime, is it sir? Nah ol' Lahry's Not 'ere to bless us'").DavidFarmbrough (talk) 23:01, 4 November 2008 (UTC) Yes we still get blessed.. but this time with a watergun, he cant be bothered 2 sprinkle water on everybody. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cashkid121 (talk • contribs) 14:28, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The school web site says again 22km. Rich Farmbrough, 23:19, 4 August 2009 (UTC).

Out of date
I've remmed out a sentence beginning "A new building project is due to commence during 2007..." since it is now May 2009. The text is still there in the edit box if someone wants to update it. Alarics (talk) 08:32, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

"With My Duty" offensive to non-Christians??
"Because of the religious context of this phrase, many teachers no longer enforce the "WMD" rule, accepting that it maybe offensive to non-christians" -- Are we quite sure this is really true? Why on earth would people send their kids to a Christian school if they are offended by Christianity? Alarics (talk) 12:06, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Duty is hardly an exclusively Christian concept, either. Rich Farmbrough, 09:40, 31 December 2010 (UTC).

Tables
While these are very nice they make the top of the article a disjointed mess. Rich Farmbrough, 22:01, 4 August 2009 (UTC).
 * Ok I tidied some other stuff up there. Still think they are overkill. Rich Farmbrough, 00:40, 5 August 2009 (UTC).

Largest
Removed these claims, the first is almost certainly false (Picketts Lock for example must be larger) the second at least dubious (presumably it means largest "roll" - of course all pupils and staff are still on the school roll, so it is a little larger than some...).

"The school has London's largest sports hall, and is the largest school in Enfield."

 * Rich Farmbrough, 09:38, 31 December 2010 (UTC).

Founders Day
Should perhaps get a mention. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 22:53, 15 September 2014 (UTC).

Lots of unsourced
I'm tagging you since you are a constructive editor who seems to have taken an interest in the article last year. I've removed a portion of the unsourced and promotional content. A lot more, like the unreferenced inclusion of traditions, ought to go. Your thoughts welcome. Cheers, 2601:188:0:ABE6:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 15:17, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
 * The main source for the traditions is Robert's book. I have a copy somewhere, I will keep an eye out for it.  All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 01:49, 14 December 2015 (UTC).

 * Much appreciated. Even with a reliable source, probably a good portion of what's there is too trivial for inclusion. Thanks for your response. 2601:188:0:ABE6:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 02:19, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 3 one external links on Bishop Stopford's School. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080831052413/http://www.bishopstopfords.enfield.sch.uk:80/i_governors.php to http://www.bishopstopfords.enfield.sch.uk/i_governors.php
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20090703052245/http://www.bishopstopfords.enfield.sch.uk:80/i_charity.php to http://www.bishopstopfords.enfield.sch.uk/i_charity.php
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20050901125355/http://carl-theodor-schule.de:80/index.htm to http://www.carl-theodor-schule.de/index.htm

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at ).

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 07:11, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

title: Talk:Bishop Stopford's School