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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Republic of Morac-Songhrati-Meads

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The result of the debate was keep. -- BD2412 talk 22:53, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

Republic of Morac-Songhrati-Meads
Micronation - loads of googles but most are either dubious or state that this is a fictional state --Doc (?) 22:46, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * this may be of relevance Template:VfD-Morac-Songhrati
 * Keep. Seems questionable, but none of the refs I found indicated that it's fictional. Pburka 23:01, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * More info. It appears that the republic was a real micronation until about 1979. Someone else has now started a micronation simulation based on the actual micronation. My keep vote stands.
 * I'm not too bothered by this, but info like this seems to question every 'fact' this article offers. --Doc (?) 23:16, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * True, but that document does acknowledge that there is some historical record of the topic. If it's a hoax, it's an old one, which makes it encyclopedic in my opinion. Pburka 23:22, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. See the article's references.  ‣ ᓛᖁ  [[Image:Venus symbol (blue).gif|♀]] [ ᑐ ] 23:55, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep valid (if only historical, and disputed) place. I fixed the categories of the article a bit. -Harmil 00:10, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep per Harmil. Xoloz 09:23, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Youngamerican 13:49, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anti-Semitism in Poland

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The result of the debate was no consensus - therefore keep by default. – ABCD✉ 21:26, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Anti-Semitism in Poland
A look at the history of this page shows strong feelings on either side. There has been considerable effort made to speedy this page, even though it is not really a candidate, and it has been redirected twice to articles which really don't speak to this issue. It seems VfD is rightfully the place for a decision to be made on the fate of this article. Denni ☯ 22:46, 2005 July 10 (UTC)

'PLEASE NOTE: THERE IS AN EDIT WAR OVER THE PAGE. THERE ARE TWO DISTINCT VERSIONS and '      22:32,pi 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Votes

 * Keep There are already a slew of Jewish-related articles on Wikipedia, so why is this one any different from the rest which are not on VFD? TheUnforgiven 22:53, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. This definately needs to be kept. I might add to this one, now that you mention it. -mysekurity 22:56, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, although it is ogin to have eternal NPOV problems and vandalism. I'll add it to my watchlist. -Splash 23:02, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * It seems to me that the scope of this article is already covered at History of the Jews in Poland. I suggest to merge and redirect there.   JeremyA 23:09, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect (as above) or blank and rewrite from the scratches, if there is a need to have a set of separate articles on anti-Semitism in every corner of the world. Preferably from a NPOV by someone not as biased and emotional as the present authors of that thingie. Poles generally being known for being one of the most Anti-Semitic peoples in the world - what rubbish is that? Halibutt 23:10, July 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to History of the Jews in Poland. Current article is POV. Pburka 23:13, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect to Anti-semitism. We don't need a whole swarm of articles of the sort Antisemitism in (choose any country/city), though surely anti-semitism does exist in just about all countries and cities, to a greater or lesser extent. Balcer 23:17, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep I think that the topic is an interesting one, and considering the fact that before WWII one sixth of all Jews in the world were Polish, I'd say this deserves its own page. That said, the "article" as it now stands is woefully low on information and seems to be more a thought that hits someone one day than an academic encyclopedia article. Nevertheless I'm strongly in favor of keeping the page so that six months hence there will be a fine article on the subject here.  -  mnuez Edit by 208.54.14.65
 * has only 9 contributions including 3 for VfD. --Ttyre 17:26, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep per Splash, please discount my vote if Splash's vote changes from keep -Harmil 23:59, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Space Cadet 00:07, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete james gibbon 00:08, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete and Merge . Resurrected by anon User:83.109.165.120 article, originally redirected to Religious_denominations_in_Poland contains statements which not only are clearly POVs but border with the vandalism. The issue of Polish Anti-Semitism has been addressed in a number of recently discussed and revised articles such as History of the Jews in Poland, Anti-Semitism, History_of_Poland_%281939-1945%29, History_of_Poland_%281945-1989%29, Kielce Pogrom, Massacre in Jedwabne. --Ttyre 00:18, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Additionally, there is no other article on wiki dealing with anti-Semitism in a specific country - why to create a precedent? Do we really want to have articles on anti-Semitism in France, Great Britain, The Netherlands, Romania, Spain, Germany, US, Canada, Russia, etc.? According to ADL annual reports there is a plenty of data on anti-Semitism in these countries - see: anti-Semitism US, anti-Semitism international. See discussion below. Ttyre 20:30, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * The vandalism is committed by User:Witkacy who also keeps adding the sentence "Poles generally being known for being one of the most Anti-Semitic peoples in the world"User:83.109.157.141
 * I have reverted to your previous version... So whats the problem, "83.109.157.141"?--Witkacy 02:02, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Ttyre: "Delete" and "Merge" are not compatible per Guide_to_Votes_for_deletion. I don't think there's much to merge as long at there's no original content, just copy of another articles' contents. --Wojsyl (talk) 19:26, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

 * keep, a very importent article A&D (hebrew wikipedia)
 * Signature on edit unprintable(?) see edit. brenneman (t) (c)  23:58, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Also what's the consensus on validity of new users from other WK's? I'm too ignorant to verify a user's existence on the Hebrew Wikipedia, and then confirming that this edit is by that user seems like a logistical nightmare. brenneman (t) (c)  23:58, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Votes from other wikipedias' users are not counted here, see: Guide to Votes for delition. --Ttyre 15:49, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Deleteand Witkacy should be send to the back of the room. Aaron Brenneman 01:17, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Civility TheUnforgiven 01:26, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you, you are of course correct. I spoke hastily, and for that I apologise. I'll add an apology to Witkacy on his talkpage.
 * How about: Several participants in this appear to have failed to act in good faith. The criterion for speedy deletion and redirection seem to me not to have been met, and I am disturbed by the partisan nature of some discussion. Aaron Brenneman 02:56, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you. That of which you speak is precisely what bothers me. TheUnforgiven 03:03, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Merge and redirect to History of the Jews in Poland  brenneman (t) (c)  23:58, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per Ttyre. --SylwiaS 02:38, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to History of the Jews in Poland Avihu 03:45, 11 July 2005 (UTC).
 * Also merge and redirect to History of the Jews in Poland. -- Chris 73 Talk 07:37, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as per Ttyre. JamesBurns 08:53, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep per TheUnforgiven's comments. Xoloz 09:27, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete . There are many important things to say about anti-Semitism in Poland. It is also true that anti-Semitic statements in public and in private are still more common in modern Poland than they are in most other European countries. However, this article is beyond repair. Apart from the fact that much of the information is inaccurate or simply incorrect (such as the claims about the presence of anti-Semitic cartoons in the mainstream press, attacks against synagogues - which are paradoxically rarer in Poland than in other countries where verbal anti-Semitism is tolerated less, the "deportation" of Jews in 1968). Other portions are deliberately vague to create a false impression in the reader (such "anti-Semitism in Poland as has a long history", "Persecution of Jews took place both before, during and after the Second World War", "During the war many Poles actively took part in the Holocaust"). It is fairly obvious that this article was created in response to the ongoing VFD against Anti-Polonism, and thus constitutes a clear violation of WP:POINT. Let there be no mistake, the history of anti-Semitism in Poland certainly warrants a proper article. I am actually surprised that this prominent topic has not been covered yet. However, if one extracts the useful stuff from this drivel of simplifications and accusations, much too little will be left to justify an article. If no one comes up with any text that does more justice to this complex matter within the usual deadline, it's better to delete the article altogether for the time being. --Thorsten1 10:23, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Update: Based on Piotrus's version I change my vote to keep . --Thorsten1 22:43, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Another update: When changing my vote from strong delete to conditional keep I was not aware that Piotrus's text was not original but duplicated material from other articles. I appreciate Piotrus's effort at improving this article, but I think there is a case for a seperate article on anti-Semitism in Poland only if redundancy with articles such as Anti-Semitism and History of Jews in Poland is kept to a minimum. In modern Poland, anti-Semitism exists even in the absence of any major Jewish population group - it focuses on "imaginary" Jews in Poland and alleged anti-Polish lobbying by Jews outside Poland. Thus, it is possible and to some extent even necessary to deal with this sociological phenomenon outside the article History of Jews in Poland. However, as long as the article remains a) strongly POV or b) strongly redundant with other articles, I change my vote back to delete. Sorry for adding to the confusion. --Thorsten1 20:03, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

 * If necessary, be bold, and prune this article down to a sentence or two. As you say, this is a valid topic -- feel free to eliminate whatever you must to achieve NPOV, but let a stub remain for future writers to expand. Xoloz 17:31, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, I could certainly do that. However, I won't do so for two reasons: Any reasonable editing is likely to be immediately reverted by POV pushers from either side who are attracted to such articles like moths to a light bulb... Apart from that, as I said above, the non-POV substance of the article would hardly even reach the stub threshold: "Anti-Semitism in Poland exists. After the end of World War II [it was] [...] used at certain moments by communist party or individual politicians in order to achieve their [...] political goals." I think we all agree that this would not really be worth keeping. --Thorsten1 22:08, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * keep Deror 12:02, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not encyclo. Radiant_ >|< 15:04, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * It was pointed out to me that there are two versions of this page. However, that doesn't change my opinion that this is not a good topic. History of Jews in Poland and Anti-Semitism can cover the subject, but the cross-section thereof is, in my opinion, not encyclopedic. Radiant_ >|< 07:01, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * delete useless rant. The article does not describe a single fact. The topic is valid (and pretty much covered in the History of the Jews in Poland), but the article under the vote is garbage. mikka (t) 17:26, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as above. The article is a POV rant misduplicating material at History of the Jews in Poland.  This subject is valid, but need not be discussed separately from Jewish Polish history.  If that article gets too big, the solution is to break it up by dates, not by extracting one aspect as though it were somehow independent from the rest of Jewish history in the various incarnations of Poland.  As it stands, this farticle is as much a magnet for trolls and vandals as Anti-Polonism.  Tomer TALK  21:31, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Treat my vote as Delete unless material is removed from main Anti-Semitism article, then Keep. The article was blatantly POVed, but I fixed it by replacing it by (much more extensive and sourced) text from relevant sections on Anti-Semitism page. Note that this means I deleted all the old content - as many said, it was beyong salvage. For long time there have been discussions at Talk:Anti-Semitism to create such a subarticle(s) and move national anti-semitic material there - this is a good start. I see it as a subarticle to Anti-Semitism. It should be part of the series of Anti-Semitism in Germany, Anti-Semitism in France, Anti-Semitism in Italy, Anti-Semitism in United States, etc - but it should not exists separately. On many levels it is a similar case to Anti-Polonism, IMHO.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 09:15, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Reverted user:Piotrus complete re-write of the article. Please wait till the voting is concluded: couple of dozen people has already voted. Besides, material on anti-Semitism in a specific country from anti-Semitism should be moved to existing articles e.g. history of the Jews in a given country and/or history of that country. --Ttyre 10:50, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I see your point, but in the current state I vote delete (and then possibly recreate and reweite this article as I suggested above).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 11:47, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep Gilgamesh he 11:40, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Votes from other wikipedias' users are not counted here, see: Guide to Votes for delition. --Ttyre 15:49, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * He's an active user at the English Wikipedia. Why are Jews not counted by Poles?? With your logic, all the Poles coming from pl.wikipedia to vote here should be discounted as well. I'm sure you have an account at pl.User:83.109.139.109

 * Comment: The VfD tag says explicitly that "You are welcome to edit this article." The major rewrite that Piotrus executed solves problems raised by nine delete votes (so far) (see here). Wouldn't it be hypocritical to vote delete on account of severe POV, yet revert the article when the POV is fixed? On numerous occasions, VfDs were the cause of major improvement to articles during the VfD. Many times, those improvements caused the articles to be salvaged, having caused many to change their votes. Please don't manipulate the votes of others because you don't want the article at all. HKT 17:58, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Again, why do you want to create a redundant article thus creating a precedence for A-S + specific country? Look at the bigger picture and compare how A-S and the Holocaust-era past issues are being handled in specific country articles e.g. Romania, Hungary, Austria, etc. I would think that these countries, as major collaborators during The Holocaust, would deserve more of your and similarly-minded editors' attention. --Ttyre 18:36, 12 July 2005 (UTC)--Ttyre 18:36, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't have much of a problem with creating such a precedent. This would allow sections on A-S by country (which would otherwise needlessly elongate the main anti-Semitism article) to have their own articles. I didn't start this article, but, now that it's here, why not use it as a precedent for streamlining the current main A-S article? As Piotr wrote, "It should be part of the series of Anti-Semitism in Germany, Anti-Semitism in France, Anti-Semitism in Italy, Anti-Semitism in United States, etc." And, by the way, I haven't cast a vote yet; I'm currently undecided about whether this is the time to move info from the main A-S article to individual articles. My comment wasn't a call to keep the article, per-se. It was a call to retain the integrity of the VfD, which I believe you have been compromising. HKT 22:07, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep. Notable topic.  Grue  20:11, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge/redirect to History of the Jews in Poland. Current article is lousy as it is. Pavel Vozenilek 21:06, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as per Ttyre. --Akumiszcza 21:12, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and Expand per comments by Unforgiven. The fact is that Poland, in many ways, is a special case historically where the issue of anti-Semitism is concerned. The current article is insufficient but no more so than most stubs. It needs considerable expansion. But the existence or non-existence of other articles dealing with antisemitism in specific countries can hardly be a valid criterion for deleting this one.--Briangotts 21:30, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment The existence or non-existence of other articles can hardly be a valid criterion for deleting or keeping any article. However, please note my changed vote that based upon the excellent work of Piotrus.  brenneman (t) (c)  23:58, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

There has been a suggestion that recent revert warring over very different versions of the page have been used to affect voting. Votes above this note were not informed of this and may need to be considered seperately. 22:36, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * For the record, I want my vote to count in full regardless of where in the page it appears. My opinion is unchanged. -Splash 15:18, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Strong Keep a very notable subject in the history and sociology of poland. Klonimus 19:02, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete and redirect to History of the Jews in Poland. Article is POV.     22:38, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete and Redirect to Anti-Semitism --Irishpunktom\talk 22:51, July 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Parts of it could be merged with History of the Jews in Poland and/or Anti-Semitism. This article is one-sided. All aspects should be in History of the Jews in Poland, both good ones and bad ones. Pibwl ←«  23:39, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is a notable topic, there is no reason that I am aware of to merge or delete the article. Falphin 01:47, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Actually this is poor man's version of better structured, more: complete, detailed, balanced and NPOV History of the Jews in Poland. Considering Anti-Semitism (which seriously needs content rearranging anyway), History of the Jews in Poland, History of the Jews in Poland (1572-1795) and History of the Jews in Russia and Soviet Union (covering partitions of Poland too) and that there is whole line of History of Jews in... articles there is hardly need for just another article becoming seed for another line of similarly POV-ish and one-sided articles. To Piotrus: sorry, actually I viewed your version first and above sentences of poor man version pertain to it. Of course version you corrected had overwhelming POV problem but frankly, IMHO dePOVing redundant article to a less developed version of existing ones is a waste of time. Of course there are parts that could be merged into aforementioned existing articles where they add value to them and this is true value of your work. -- Forseti 11:16, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. It needs cleanup, but it's a notable subject. TheCoffee 12:15, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. --Hbk3 12:27, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Hbk3 is a Sock puppet - no other activity besides this vote. --Ttyre 12:39, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. I agree with Forseti's opinion. A.J. 14:59, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge with History of the Jews in Poland. – Kpalion (talk) 15:37, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete-there is already a huge section on Polish perceived antisemitism in other articles.This one is extremely POV.Molobo
 * 's 24th edit. Also involved in anti-Polonism VfD. HKT 03:00, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep and cleanup - This is a valid topic and the article contains good information. Clearly it needs to be cleaned up, but deleting it is a mistake - just because Poles don't want to deal with this subject doesn't mean it didn't happen. GabrielF 15:56, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Please read justifications for deletion again, most votes for deletion are also for merging its content with existing articles. Please be more considerate when tempted to use such a POV-ed ethnic stereotyping, see: Civility. --Ttyre 16:39, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete and redirect to History of the Jews in Poland. Article is POV. This is the most reasonable solution. Cautious 19:28, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete and merge where applicable. Otherwise a useless rant. Agree with User:Ttyre. --Wojsyl (talk) 21:04, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * merge/redirect content into History of the Jews in Poland: it already covers antisemitism, like all other History of the Jews in  articles, see Category:Jewish history. mikka (t)
 * That's a very important subject. However, both sides of the edit war clearly don't have a clue about anti-Semitism in 20th/21st century Poland. There are many disturbing things in longer version's description of pre-20th century events. It uses mostly secondary sources and an almost exclusively focuses on anti-Semitic events to the exclusion of background information. It doesn't look like an article written in good faith. Where's the information about Jewish position in the social structure of the First Republic, about the situations of other faiths in it, about Jewish involvement in socialist and communist movement, the conflict between the socialists/communists and Polish nationalists which fed early 20th-century anti-Semitism, about anti-Jewish pogroms in czarist Russia which also spread to occupied Poland, about situation of other minorities in the Second Republic, cooperation of Jews in occupied Poland with the Soviet government, about involvement of many usually "anti-Semitic" nationalists in anti-Holocaust activities, and about usage of word "Żyd" to mean "member of the leftist/liberal conspiracy" by the modern nationalists (that's why asking people questions on anti-Semitism in Poland is futile - the nationalists believe they're answering different question than one the inquirer believes he's asking) ? It's a horrible article. I, for one, don't think it's possible to write a good article on the subject alone, while leaving the background information elsewhere. Therefore I'm strongly for deleting the article and redirecting to History of the Jews in Poland. Taw 08:44, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't think that anyone wants to keep either version as the final one. Both would need major improvement. However, while History of the Jews in Poland provides a good summary of anti-Semitism in Poland, it doesn't really get into background and underlying dynamics, which you have said are important. It also doesn't get into the controversies regarding the extent of and reasons for anti-Semitism. I think that, theoretically (at least), this article would be necessary for a more thorough analysis of this topic. However, as Piotr mentioned, someone should be willing to work on this article. I don't really foresee that for the near future, but there will certainly be a time when this article will be needed. HKT 16:28, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete redundant Tirid Tirid 23:36, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - A bunch of immaterial anti Polish accusations by "83.109.157.141". Schwartz und Weiss 00:24, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - Anti-semitism might exist in all countries but there are definite concentrations at specific hot-spots and Poland is a major one. If anything there should be more articles, not less, on this topic (tackling different aspects of it). --wayland 17:32, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh really? It appears to me that you must be deeply prejudiced on this subject because hard data doesn't support your view that Poland is a major hot spot for anti-Semitism. Please see for yourself the Israeli website The Coordination Forum for Countering Antisemitism listing contemporary anti-Semitic incidents around the world. Some examples of a number of A-S incidents by country: France 828, Great Britain 798, Russia 352, US 216, Germany 120, Spain & Austria 56, Poland 40, Italy 31. Poland, population-size, is slightly smaller than Spain. Also, in the future, be more careful when tempted to used similar statements - they are often being considered as an example of anti-Polonism. --Ttyre 20:27, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I object to the personal nature of the response from Ttyre. I'm happy to discuss the various ways that this topic should be addressed but I'm not prepared to enter into personal mud-slinging contests. --wayland 16:46, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * It also should be noticed that out of the 40 incidents observed in Poland since Sept. 2000 till today only 18 were Anti-Semitic out of which one was committed by a French tourist. Here’s the list by categories:
 * Attack 0
 * Violent incident 6
 * Desecration 2
 * Harassment 2 (first - three boys shouting the word “Jew” at a Jewish tourist, second - a French tourist hit an Israeli tourist)
 * Threat 0
 * Propaganda 8
 * Straggle against Anti-Semitism 3
 * Miscellaneous 0
 * Remaining 19 are discoveries of WWII mass graves, reports from trials etc. --SylwiaS 00:07, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for proving my point below, Sylwia. Quite obviously this is a very randomly compiled list. To get an idea of how misleading and contradictory statistical results can be, refer to the Anti-Defamation League's 2005 study on attitudes in European countries and see how Poland scores. There is no denying the problem. The question remains how and where to address it in Wikipedia. I think we agree that the present article is unacceptable.--Thorsten1 09:42, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually it’s not a randomly compiled list. It’s a list of all incidents related to anti-Semitism that took place in Poland in indicated time. The poll you linked to is among the remaining 19. I agree that numbers never tell everything, but I’m also not sure what questions the poll answers. I looked through the pdf study of this poll, and I really have more questions than answers. I don’t deny anything, I just don’t understand how the poll can be helpful in altering attitude towards Jews unless there is another poll, which answers the questions. --SylwiaS 00:09, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Let's try to stay civil, Ttyre. The frequency of anti-Semitic incidents is not the only standard by which to measure the problem. Statistics are rarely a reliable basis for comparisons, too many variables interfere, such as what is defined and gets reported as an "anti-Semitic incident"; also not only the overall size of the population is a factor, but also the number of Jewish citizens, Jewish institutions etc. Also, the past is of equal importance as the present. There can be no serious doubt that Poland, up to WW II a multi-ethnic country with a huge portion of Jews with a distinct ethnic identity, was also more burdened with ethnic conflict, including but not limited to Polish-Jewish conflict, than ethnically homogenous countries in the west. The semi-truth of the żydokomuna is very much a Polish issue, the events of 1968 are quite unparalleled, and until today conspiracy theories involving real or imaginary Jews thrive better in Poland than in many other countries - most recently in response to the Jedwabne affair. Of course, most accusations of past and present anti-Semitism in Poland stubbornly ignore its specific context, are unbearably complacent and often attempts of absolving oneself of one's "own" anti-Semitism. The original version of the article we are or should be discussing here is a textbook example of this. On the other hand, though, nervously attacking anyone who merely mentions anti-Semitism in Poland with hip-fired accusations of anti-Polonism isn't at all better - in fact, the concept of anti-Polonism suffers the very same defects as the concept of anti-Semitism. Plus, like it or not, few people outside Poland care to take it seriously, so complaints about anti-Polonism can backfire badly. --Thorsten1 23:57, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I live outside Poland and am taking the issue of A-P seriously. --Ttyre 00:34, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Then you certainly know well enough what I meant, don't you?. --Thorsten1 09:42, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Delete. logologist 17:59, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - not just the article, but the very idea, is either a sick joke, or anti-Polish propaganda. Rübezahl 00:16, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep (but make a subpage) As one of the people who has been laboring very hard on History of the Jews in Poland (and I strongly suggest that people voting here spend a few minutes reading the talk page), I have been putting a lot of thought into this vote. On one hand, something that came out of writing the article is that it is clear that Poland is often unfairly blamed for being much more anti-semitic than it was for much of its history, especially before the 19th century. On the other hand, it is also clear that there is a historical thread of severe anti-semitism from the 1920s-1930s through at least the 1970s in Poland (and, as recent surveys indicate, probably until today), and that discussion of this topic is often difficult.  I think that the current History of the Jews in Poland page does a good job dealing with many of these issues, but that, as both a history article and a long one at that, it does not delve into the subject in much depth outside of the chronology of events, which does a disservice to both the Polish history of tolerance and the persecutions of Polish Jews when they did happen.  Thus, I would suggest that we turn this page into a subpage of the History of the Jews in Poland dealing specifically with the issue of anti-semitism in Polish history. I would hope that we could develop an article here that would neither bash Poland nor deny anti-semitic threads in recent Polish history. That may be too much to hope for, but deleting the article seems to beg the question, no matter what perspective you may have on the topic. At least this article creates a good place to discuss both the myths and the facts, rather than denying that this issue is not one of curiosity and importance to many people.  --Goodoldpolonius2 02:32, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete V1t 13:20, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete or rewrite, The European Jewish Congress warned about anti-semitic policies in Poland in 2004, at same time many Jewish persons protested about that message in Polish media, i don't think its NPOV version, better create one page with many nation if you have to.rafikk

Discussion
The article's special nature, deals with an atypical problem. Jews were afforded comforts by the rulers of Poland, but most of the Christian citizens did not enjoy this relationship between them. When Jews were going around the world to proclaim their own pain in reference to the Holocaust, Poles felt left out and anti-Semitism rose by clear margins. Whilst Christian Poles were treated somewhat different from the Jews by the Nazis, the rest of the world did not know the background to German-Polish violence. I have a feeling that the naysayers of this vote are tied to the page here: Votes for deletion/Anti-Polonism  Is it true, that none of you care about the Poles but are frothing at the mouth to feel pity for the Jews? There is much ignorance of Central and Eastern European social history, in Western eyes. TheUnforgiven 00:29, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * But what does it have to do with this, clearly POVed, article? Halibutt 01:06, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

Fix the POV, but the article is salvageable on the bases specified. Don't take it personal. TheUnforgiven 01:26, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't agree with you - sure, the subject you bring up is an interesting one and should be covered - just not here. The current article is highly redundant - as stated in the vote above. Furthermore - it does not deal with the interesting issue you raised. I suggest you write a new article on the above subject, name it something like "Impacts of WWII, the holocust and Sovietic rule on the anti-semitism in Poland" (I'm sure you can come up with a shorter name) and let this one be gone. Orion from he.wiki

I wonder, is there anybody here who will actually promise to work on this article? While I am working to FA History of the Jews in Poland, I doubt I will have much interest and will to work on this subarticle much. Anybody else? Beacuse if nobody is willing to improve this, then perhaps delete is the best option after all. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 20:38, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

 * No that is not right. There are hundreds of unfinished articles that need to be cleaned up.  TheUnforgiven 21:24, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Interesting quotes by user 83.109.XXX.XXX (who created this article): --Witkacy 00:47, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * "I don't see the Holocaust against the Palestinians mentioned in the Israel article!"
 * " believe the Zionist needs to be banned from editing this page. Or what do you say, Gustav and Heimdal? Should we go to the Israel article and make it primarily an article about the Jewish ethnic cleansing, occupation and genocide of the Palestinians? Perhaps the United States should mostly deal with the genocide on native Americans, Africans and Abu Ghraib, preferably with a lot of the well-known pictures from the camp?"
 * "Half of the German parliament, i.e. the conservative opposisition, voted against this very controversial memorial [Memorial to the Murdered Jews of Europe in Berlin] the socialists have set up in Berlin on behest of a mentally disturbed communist known as "Lea Rosh", a women who like to pretend to be Jewish (to attract publicity) but is actually not Jewish at all and have changed her name from Edith Rohs. This person has sued newspapers who wrote about her name change. I'm sure the Rohs memorial will be removed following the next federal election, along with the much discussed wall memorial"
 * "Local politics of Saxony belongs in the Saxony article. And NPD is not a "neonazi" party, but a nationalist party (they use the term national democrats). Alleged similarities with national socialism may be described in the article dealing with the party, though"

This voting, contrary to the concerns of some voters, is not about eliminating the material related to anti-Semitism in Poland but about improving the quality and reducing its redundancy. Efforts of the editors working diligently on History of the Jews in Poland during the last couple of months is a best example of this process. It is also about counter-acting the disruptive action(s) of User: 83.109.165.120 who, according to User:Witkacy, is utilizing a number of IP addresses to inject provocative and POV material. Resurrecting an extremely POV version of the article Anti-Semitism in Poland, this user has tried to raise the temperature of various discussions on Polish-Jewish issues and further antagonize involved editors. IMO, wiki is not only about creating good articles, but also about relating them to each other. This point is well illustrated in the Database normalization concept. Accordingly, a good example of de-normalized material has been Chmielnicki Uprising for which redundant and sometimes conflicting material appears in: Chmielnicki Uprising, Anti-Semitism, Bohdan Khmelnytsky, Piotrus’ version of Anti-Semitism in Poland, and others. --Ttyre 17:04, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * "Resurrecting an extremely POV version of the article Anti-Semitism in Poland...."
 * A minor correction: The anonymous user created the POV material. However, when that user later tried to resurrect Piotr's more NPOV version, he/she was repeatedly reverted by User:Witkacy and User:Ttyre. HKT 17:21, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.

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Who is Heida Maria?

 * Admin for the Icelandic Wikipedia
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KJLA

KJLA (channel 57) is a television station licensed to Ventura, California, United States, serving the Los Angeles area as an affiliate of Visión Latina. The station is owned by Costa de Oro Media, LLC, a company run by Entravision Communications founder, CEO and chairman Walter Ulloa (whose brother, Ronald Ulloa, owns Rancho Palos Verdes–licensed ethnic independent station KXLA (channel 44) and Twentynine Palms–licensed KVMD (channel 31)). KJLA's studios are located on Corinth Avenue (near Interstate 405) in West Los Angeles, and its transmitter is located atop Mount Wilson.

KJLA operates two low-power repeater stations: KLFA-LD (channel 25) in Santa Maria and KFUL-LD (channel 23) in San Luis Obispo (both are part of the Santa Barbara market). In addition to carrying Spanish-language programming on its main channel, the station also carries various networks broadcasting in Vietnamese and Mandarin on separate digital subchannels.

History
The station first signed on the air on October 1, 1990, as KSTV-TV. It was the second attempt to operate a television station in Ventura; the first, KKOG-TV (channel 16), operated from December 14, 1968, to September 13, 1969, with a schedule of entirely live, local programming. KSTV-TV was originally owned by Costa de Oro Television, Inc., and originally aired Spanish-language programming as an affiliate of Galavisión. The station signed on a low-power translator in Santa Maria in 1992.

In 1994, Walter Ulloa purchased Costa de Oro Television and KSTV-TV, intending to increase its transmitting power and extend its signal to better reach to the Los Angeles area. However, although Ventura is considered part of the Los Angeles market, Federal Communications Commission (FCC) rules at the time placed KSTV-TV within the Santa Barbara–Santa Maria–San Luis Obispo market, similar to the situation of KADY-TV channel 63 (now KBEH-TV) in Oxnard, California which became Santa Barbara's UPN affiliate when the network launched in January 1995. Unable to get cable coverage in the Los Angeles area, on November 1, 1995, KSTV switched to an English-language format and became the WB affiliate for the Santa Barbara market.

However, the station continued in its attempts to enter the Los Angeles market. In July 1997, KSTV increased its effective radiated power to 5,000 kilowatts. The improved signal helped the station to obtain must-carry status on most cable providers in western Los Angeles County in February 1998. However, because Los Angeles already had a WB-affiliated station, KTLA (channel 5), KSTV-TV was forced to disaffiliate from the network. In the spring of 1998, the station relocated its studios and offices from Ventura to West Los Angeles.

The station changed its call letters to KJLA on July 20, 1998, to further reflect its intentions to serve the Los Angeles market. On that date, KJLA became an independent station and adopted a split-scheduled format. The station began carrying financial news programming under the brand Business News 22 acquired from KWHY-TV, later BizNews 1 on weekday mornings and afternoons. Business news returned to KWHY-TV, this time only on its digital signal, in 2000, and was later dropped by KJLA.

In November 2001, the Simi Valley translator was moved to Mount Wilson and started broadcasting to Los Angeles as KSMV-LP on channel 33. Ironically, the original low power translator in Simi Valley operated on channel 44, which caused interference with full power "cousin" station KRPA (now KXLA) which prompted the change to channel 33. Soon after, Trinity Broadcasting Network sought to move KTBN-TV's digital operation from channel 23 to channel 33, to avoid co-channel interference from the digital signals of KVMD (another "cousin" of KJLA) in the Inland Empire and San Diego CW affiliate XETV, now a repeater of XHGC-TDT. KTBN's move to channel 33 was authorized on February 5, 2009, ultimately displacing KSMV-LP to KTBN's former digital channel, 23. KSMV-LP soon flash-cut to digital and started rebroadcasting KVMD to the Los Angeles area.

The following year in 2001, the station began branding its Spanish language programming block under the name LATV. In April 2007, LATV transitioned from a programming block on KJLA into a national network; it became distributed to several television stations (mainly carried on digital subchannels and low-power stations, with the subchannels of four stations owned by Post-Newsweek Stations and those owned by Entravision Communications among the network's charter affiliates).

In December 2017, it was announced that the station will become the Los Angeles market's Azteca América affiliate on January 3, 2018, replacing KAZA-TV, thus sister station KVMD became the new affiliate of LATV in the Los Angeles market on January 1, 2018. Although the official switch to Azteca was not until January 3, the station started airing the majority of the network's programming on January 1 with an exception of shows that aired at the same time as KJLA's religious programming, which continued to air on the network until March. Various Azteca programs were delayed or not shown at all in order to make place for KJLA's religious program Cambia Tu Vida, which aired various times a day. The program was removed from KJLA's schedule on March 19, 2018, and the station begin airing Azteca's entire schedule "live" and in pattern. On January 1, 2022, the station dropped its affiliation with Azteca America and starting airing religious programming from Visión Latina with programs from Universal Church; Azteca moved its affiliation to a subchannel of KWHY-TV until the network ceased operations on December 31, 2022.

Subchannels
KJLA presents 10 subchannels on the multiplex shared with KXLA:

Translators

 *  San Luis Obispo

Analog-to-digital conversion
KJLA had applied to convert to a digital-only signal, citing low over-the-air analog viewership rates and high operating costs to maintain the simulcast; this request was refused by the FCC on February 9, 2005. The higher operating costs were in part due to KJLA having two different transmitter sites. The station's analog transmitter was located on South Mountain near Santa Paula in Ventura County; the facilities for its digital signal are located on Mount Wilson in Los Angeles County.

KJLA shut down its analog signal, over UHF channel 57, on August 27, 2008. The station's digital signal remained on its pre-transition UHF channel 49, using virtual channel 57. KJLA is the second television station in the Los Angeles market to discontinue its analog signal before the digital transition in 2009, after KVMD, which shut down its analog signal in 2003.

Channel sharing trial
In February 2014, KJLA and PBS member station KLCS (channel 58) were granted special temporary authority by the FCC to conduct trials in partnership with CTIA and the Association of Public Television Stations, in which the two stations would conduct a test of the H.264 video codec for digital television transmission, and more importantly, the ability and viability of broadcasting two sets of television services within the same 6 MHz channel band. These tests came as the FCC prepared to perform a spectrum auction in 2015 (which was delayed to sometime in 2016 that November), in which television station operators would be able to voluntarily sell their broadcast spectrum to the government, and then receive profits from its sale to wireless providers. An FCC spokesperson stated that channel sharing would allow broadcasters to "[take] advantage of the incentive auction’s once-in-a-lifetime financial opportunity", while still maintaining its ability to run over-the-air television programming.

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Luciano Pagliarini

Luciano André Pagliarini Mendonça (born April 18, 1978, in Arapongas, state of Paraná) is a retired Brazilian cyclist. A renowned sprinter, he has been regarded as one of Brazil's finest cyclists. Pagliarini has taken part in the road cycling race at 2004 Summer Olympics (from which he withdrew due to mechanical trouble) and the 2005 Tour de France (best position: 5th on stage 2, withdrawal on stage 9).

2007
Due to health problems, Pagliarini had a bad start in the 2007 season, until the Pan American Games in July, where he won the bronze medal. Ten days after the birth of his first daughter, he won the fifth stage of the Eneco Tour, being the first Brazilian to acquire a victory in the UCI ProTour, with this victory he rebuilt his morale and later won a stage in the Tour of Missouri. This excellent end of the season convinced his team, Saunier Duval to renew his contract.

2008
Pagliarini had a good season start placing third in the last stage of Tour of Qatar and finishing 15th overall. He also won the 6th Stage of the Tour of California, ahead of Juan Jose Haedo and the world champion Paolo Bettini, two days before the Beijing Olympics Men's Road Race he was diagnosed with kidney stones and due to this fact he was the last rider to finish the course.

2009
This year was a dark year for the Brazilian sprinter after the team whose he had signed a contract, TelTech H2O, did not get a license from UCI and thereafter was disbanded. Luciano stayed out of contact for some months and gained some weight. In July he announced the comeback to his home country to race the Tour of Brazil with team Memorial-Santos and also his preparation on track cycling for the London 2012 Olympic Games.

2010
Following economical problems in the team Scott–Marcondes Cesar–São José dos Campos, including a lack of payment to Pagliarini, he withdrew from cycling to become a trainer for the Brazilian track team.

Major results

 * 1998
 * 1st Prova Ciclística 9 de Julho
 * 1st Stage 3 Vuelta Ciclista de Chile
 * 1st Stages 4 & 10 Vuelta Ciclista del Uruguay

 * 2000
 * 1st Circuito del Porto
 * 1st Vicenza-Bionde

 * 2001
 * 1st Clásica de Almería
 * 1st Stages 2, 3 &4 Tour de Langkawi

 * 2004
 * 1st Stages 7 & 8 Tour de Langkawi
 * 1st Stage 5 Vuelta a Murcia

 * 2005
 * 2nd GP Costa degli Etruschi
 * 6th Trofeo Luis Puig

 * 2007
 * 1st Stage 5 Eneco Tour of Benelux
 * 1st Stage 4 Tour of Missouri
 * 3rd Bronze medal america.svg Road Race, Pan American Games

 * 2008
 * 1st Stage 6 Tour of California

 * 2010
 * 1st Stages 1, 5 & 6 Rutas de América

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Tetrazole

Tetrazoles are a class of synthetic organic heterocyclic compound, consisting of a 5-member ring of four nitrogen atoms and one carbon atom. The name tetrazole also refers to the parent compound with formula CH2N4, of which three isomers can be formulated.

Structure and bonding
Three isomers of the parent tetrazole exist, differing in the position of the double bonds: 1H-, 2H-, and 5H-tetrazole. The 1H- and 2H- isomers are tautomers, with the equilibrium lying on the side of 1H-tetrazole in the solid phase. In the gas phase, 2H-tetrazole dominates. These isomers can be regarded as aromatic, with 6 π-electrons, while the 5H-isomer is nonaromatic.

Phosphorus analogs do not have the same electronic nature, with 1H-tetraphosphole having a more pyramidal geometry of the phosphorus at position 1. Instead, it is the anionic tetraphospholides that are aromatic.

Strongly inductively electron-withdrawing functional groups attached to a tetrazole may stabilize a tautomeric ring-opening equilibrium with an azidoimine form.

Synthesis
1H-Tetrazole was first prepared by the reaction of anhydrous hydrazoic acid and hydrogen cyanide under pressure. Treatment of organic nitriles with sodium azide in the presence of iodine or silica-supported sodium bisulfate as a heterogeneous catalyst enables an advantageous synthesis of 5-substituted 1H-tetrazoles. Another method is the deamination of 5-aminotetrazole, which can be commercially obtained or prepared in turn from aminoguanidine.

 * Tetrazole_synthesis_02.svg

2-Aryl-2H-tetrazoles are synthesized by a [3+2] cycloaddition reaction between an aryl diazonium and trimethylsilyldiazomethane.

Uses
There are several pharmaceutical agents which are tetrazoles, including several cephalosporin-class antibiotics. Tetrazoles can act as bioisosteres for carboxylate groups because they have similar pKa and are deprotonated at physiological pH. Angiotensin II receptor blockers — such as losartan and candesartan, often are tetrazoles. A well-known tetrazole is dimethyl thiazolyl diphenyl tetrazolium bromide (MTT). This tetrazole is used in the MTT assay to quantify the respiratory activity of live cells culture, although it generally kills the cells in the process. Some tetrazoles can also be used in DNA assays. Studies suggest VT-1161 and VT-1129 are a potential potent antifungal drugs as they disturbs fungal enzymatic function but not human enzymes.

Some tetrazole derivatives with high energy have been investigated as high performance explosives as a replacement for TNT and also for use in high performance solid rocket propellant formulations. These include the azidotetrazolate salts of nitrogen bases.

Other tetrazoles are used for their explosive or combustive properties, such as tetrazole itself and 5-aminotetrazole, which are sometimes used as a component of gas generators in automobile airbags. Tetrazole based energetic materials produce high-temperature, non-toxic reaction products such as water and nitrogen gas, and have a high burn rate and relative stability, all of which are desirable properties. The delocalization energy in tetrazole is 209 kJ/mol.

1H-Tetrazole and 5-(benzylthio)-1H-tetrazole (BTT) are widely used as acidic activators of the coupling reaction in oligonucleotide synthesis.

2-Tetrazoles can undergo controlled thermal decomposition to form highly reactive nitrilimines. These can in turn undergo a variety of 1,3-dipolar cycloaddition reactions.

Related heterocycles

 * Triazoles, analogs with three nitrogen atoms
 * Pentazole, the analog with five nitrogen atoms (strictly speaking, an inorganic homocycle, not a heterocycle)
 * Oxatetrazole
 * Thiatetrazole

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Talk:My Own Private Idaho

Title Origin
so far i have no clear answer to where the term comes from. there's a "B-52s" song of the same title that pre-dates the film. my real question is where did it originate though?
 * Amy Taubin in a review reckons "“My Own Private Idaho” is an imaginary place where one is locked in the arms of love—that is, both protected and free. It is the promise of America, chronically out of joint with reality, especially for its most vulnerable inhabitants." criterion collection review page 5. I can't find or think of any other refs except the B-52s either. Alf melmac 10:04, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

"and a few short years later modern takes on Shakespeare's works were all the rage (with the remake of Romeo + Juliet and Shakespeare in Love, in particular" Is there anything to back this up with? Romeo + Juliet didn't appear until 5 years later, and Shakespeare in Love (which isn't a remake of anything Shakespeare did) didn't appear until 9 years later. Until a reference is shown, I'm going to remove it.Dominic 03:42, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

 * I forgot the title of the film and just searched Idaho, one of the ambiguation links linked me to IDAHO - the International Day Against Homophobia. Could this be the intended allusion?Tony2Times 01:20, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

B-52's?
Does anyone know if there is any documentation connecting the title of this film, to the B-52's song, 'Private Idaho'? Perhaps an iterview with Gus Van Sant? -Alex.rosenheim 11:43, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

In the film's end credits it says "Thanks to the B52s".Goblinman (talk) 16:34, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

References in popular culture
I moved this section out of the article and placed it here because it is unsourced and in list form. --J.D. (talk) 21:01, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

The movie was referenced in the movie Mystery Science Theatre 3000: The Movie with the line, "Keanu Reeves in My Own Private Airfield."

The movie was also referenced in the film Shortbus, John Cameron Mitchell. It is recalled by the character James, who is describing his first homosexual encounter/personal "coming out."

In the debut episode of The Critic, when a boy comes to Jay Sherman's penthouse with a copy of a movie he is to watch, Jay is wearing a shirt that reads My Own Private Idaho.

Ángela's room in the movie Tesis is decorated with a poster from My Own Private Idaho with the Spanish translation of the title (Mi Idaho Privado) on it.

The film was referenced in the movie Tarnation, by the main character Jonathan Caouette.

The film was referenced in the season 2 episode of Lost by a hallucination.

The film was referenced in the British television series "The Smoking Room", by Robin who took his first girlfriend to see it three times on their only dates.

Themes

 * This section has a lot of original research and needs to be sourced better with more citations. I'm putting it here until this happens.--J.D. (talk) 18:59, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

The hustling aspect of the film presents male intimacy that "flirts with the possibility that its protagonists are gay" Aside from this, hustling sets up an environment centered on the road already. Mike and Scott's situations differ because of Mike's particular restriction of means of support. Scott on the other hand maintains an heir position which he plans to embrace after his twenty-first birthday. Therefore motivation to go on the road is unique to each character. The emptiness that Mike feels leads him to take on the road to find his mother, while Scott's temporary rebellion against his father influences him. While on the road, each of the characters is faced with life changing situations and people. For Mike, the journey seems to continue endlessly, time repeats itself because he is again abandoned. The first time he was abandoned by his mother, this time his best friend Scott does so. Conversely Scott's plan to change into a good son is enabled by the finding of a wife on the road and return to his family. Both of these journeys trace recurring road movie character motives and endings that transform character identity.

The novel is at the origin of the script, or not?
"The origins of My Own Private Idaho came from John Rechy's 1963 novel, City of Night, which featured characters who were street hustlers who did not admit to being gay.[1] Van Sant's original screenplay was written in the 1970s, when he was living in Hollywood.[2] After reading Rechy's book, Van Sant realized that it was considerably better than what he was writing, so he shelved the script for years" The whole sentence is both ambiguous and paradoxical...if reading the novel triggered an initial hold-up of the script writing, it is not the "origin" of it! What do you think? --MarmotteiNoZ 08:23, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

 * You're right, the two statements directly contradict each other. It simply is not possible that the novel was simultaneously the origin of and the reason for shelving the script. But you know what, Wikipedia doesn't care. It doesn't matter whether the statements are true, ambiguous, paradoxical or downright contradictory, what matters is that the editor has a source; and he does. Both statements are sourced, therefore they can both go in the article and Wikipedia is not interested in common sense, and even prevents you from being able to choose, calling editorial insight "original research". Which explains why it is in fact a lie to call Wikipedia an encyclopedia when it is no such thing but just a collection of quotes; if someone else said it first, get it in. The amusing thing is both those statements are referenced to the same source, Graham Fuller's 1993 book about Gus Van Sant. If my previous experience of Wikipedia is anything to go by, when I eventually track down a copy of the book it will not actually say either of them.   Cottonshirt   τ   23:57, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with everything said here and I am surprised no corrections have been made, despite much of the comments on this tslk page have highlighted these errors and for many years. I am perplexed to understand how this film is (as the article states) "loosely based on Shakespeare's Henry IV, Part 1, Henry IV, Part 2, and Henry V. Anyone who knows these works know this just is not true. If anything, the film has more in common with a modernised version of Oliver Twist. But alas, maybe it is true as one editor has pointed out above and that Wikipedia does not care. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.154.32.144 (talk) 08:53, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

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Gretchen Goes to Nebraska

Gretchen Goes to Nebraska is the second studio album by American rock band King's X. It is a concept album based on a short story written by drummer Jerry Gaskill. Having received strong critical praise and fan support, Gretchen Goes to Nebraska is considered among the best work of King's X and a seminal record within the progressive metal genre.

Music and lyrics
Characteristic of the band's early material, Gretchen Goes to Nebraska features various lyrical Christian themes in tracks such as "Over My Head" but also criticism of televangelism in "Mission". It further questions religion with reference to the burning of Giordano Bruno in "Pleiades". Musically, the album covers various styles; it emphasizes tight melodies and grooves while incorporating elements of gospel and psychedelia.

When asked about the truth behind the album's title, drummer Jerry Gaskill responded in a 1990 interview:
 * "It actually started as a joke. Six or seven years ago we were unloading the truck, and we were throwing out these silly album titles and one of our roadies just came out with that off the top of his head. So we just said 'Yeah, someday we're going to call an album that'. We just saw him on our last tour, and we told him, 'we named the album because you said that'; he didn't even remember it."

Touring and promotion
King's X toured considerably in promotion of their second album. The band's second London performance at the Astoria was filmed via camcorder. In 2008, nearly twenty years after its recording, the sold-out concert would be released on the DVD Gretchen Goes to London. According to frontman Doug Pinnick, after the concert, a distressed Jerry Gaskill locked himself in a room, thinking he may have ruined the band's career. Despite this, Pinnick described the show as "real encouraging."

In keeping with current concert trends, in late 2009, the band expressed interest in performing Gretchen Goes to Nebraska in its entirety on tour. Pinnick elaborated, "We like the idea of doing the whole of that record with a great light show, as part of something we'd call An Evening With King's X. It wouldn't be a full-blown tour, playing every hell-hole for three months. But we'd select specific, quality venues, make it special for the fans."

The song "Over My Head", a soulful, metal groove, and the power ballad "Summerland" both had promotional music videos. The album's cover artwork is seen at the end of the latter video.

Critical reception
Gretchen Goes to Nebraska received virtually universal critical praise for its uniquely progressive musical approach and varied styles. AllMusic's Eduardo Rivadavia named it an AMG Album Pick, noting that it tops its "brilliant" predecessor by "taking their unique sound to unprecedented heights of invention and inspiration." Major publications such as Rolling Stone and Q also offered strong praise. Gretchen Goes to Nebraska also achieved high slots on various Albums of the Year lists, including No. 4 in Kerrang!. Kirk Blows, reviewer of British music newspaper Music Week, found presence of Jimi Hendrix "flavour" inside band's music but expressed an opinion that "overwhelming feature is the confident and self-assured manner in which King's X go about their duty, serving up bluesy, power rock complete with heart and soul."

Original Faith No More guitarist Jim Martin praised Gretchen Goes to Nebraska while speaking to MTV, saying "That was one of the only records of the so-called new bands that I really liked for quite a while. Heavy metal stalwart Devin Townsend called the album "One of The Five Albums That Made Me".

Personnel
King's X
 * Doug Pinnick – bass guitar, lead vocals
 * Ty Tabor – guitar, dulcimer, sitar, wooden flute, vocals
 * Jerry Gaskill – drums, percussion, vocals

Additional musician
 * Sam Taylor – pipe organ and "drawkcab" piano

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Scraggane

Scraggane is a fishing port located on the Maharees peninsula near Castlegregory in County Kerry, Ireland.

The main local catch consists of lobster, flat-back crab, spider crab, Atlantic crayfish, Atlantic salmon and mackerel. Scraggane is home to a fleet of about twenty fishing trawlers.

Scraggane Bay is used as a flatwater windsurfing venue owing, and is also sailable in almost any conditions, regardless of wind direction.

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Wu Peifu

Wu Peifu (also spelled Wu P'ei-fu ) (April 22, 1874 – December 4, 1939) was a Chinese warlord and major figure in the Warlord Era in China from 1916 to 1927.

Early career
Born in Shandong Province in eastern China, Wu initially received a traditional Chinese education. He later joined the Baoding Military Academy (保定軍校) in Beijing and embarked on a career as a professional soldier. His talents as an officer were recognized by his superiors, and he rose quickly in the ranks.

Wu joined the "New Army" (新軍) (renamed the Beiyang Army in 1902) created by modernizing Qing dynasty Gen. Yuan Shikai. Following the fall of the Qing in 1911, and after Yuan's rise to President of the Republic of China and his subsequent disastrous attempt to proclaim himself emperor, political power in China quickly devolved into the hands of various regional military authorities, inaugurating the era of warlordism. In 1915 Wu became commander of the 6th Brigade.

Zhili Clique
After Yuan's death in 1916, his Beiyang Army split into several mutually hostile factions that battled for supremacy over the following years. The major factions included Duan Qirui's Anhui clique, Zhang Zuolin's Fengtian clique, and Feng Guozhang's Zhili clique, of which Wu Peifu was a member. Duan Qirui's faction dominated politics in Beijing from 1916 to 1920 but was forced to maintain an uneasy relationship with Feng Guozhang's faction to maintain stability. The two clashed over methods of dealing with the restive south, with Duan pushing for military conquest and Feng preferring negotiation.

Feng died in 1919 and the leadership of the Zhili Clique was secured by Cao Kun with the support of Wu Peifu and Sun Chuanfang. Cao and Wu began to agitate against Duan and the Anhui clique and issued circular telegrams denouncing his collaboration with Japan. When they successfully pressured the president to dismiss Duan's key subordinate Gen. Xu Shuzheng, Duan began to prepare for war against the Zhili Clique. At this juncture, Cao Kun and Wu Peifu began to organize a wide-reaching alliance including all opponents of the Anhui clique. In November 1919 Wu Peifu met with representatives of Tang Jiyao and Lu Rongting (warlords of Yunnan and Guangxi, respectively) at Hengyang and signed a treaty titled “Rough Draft of the National Salvation Allied Army” (救国同盟军草约), forming the base of the anti-Anhui clique alliance that also included Zhang Zuolin's powerful Fengtian clique.

Zhili-Anhui War
When hostilities finally broke out in July 1920, Wu Peifu took a prominent role as commander-in-chief of the anti-Anhui army. At first things did not go well for Zhili forces, as they were pushed back by Anhui troops across the front. However, Wu decided to execute a daring maneuver on the western end of the front by first outflanking enemy positions and then directly assaulting the enemy's headquarters position. The gambit paid off and Wu was rewarded with an astounding victory and the capture of many of the officers in the enemy command. The Anhui army crumbled within a week and Duan Qirui fled to the Japanese settlement at Tianjin. Wu Peifu was credited as the strategist behind the unexpectedly swift victory.

In the aftermath of the conflict, the Zhili and Fengtian cliques agreed to a power-sharing coalition government. However, Zhang Zuolin, leader of the Fengtian clique, became increasingly uneasy with Wu Peifu's vehement anti-Japanese stance that threatened to upset the delicate arrangement Zhang had reached with the Japanese in his power base of Manchuria. Wu and Zhang also clashed over who would occupy the position of premier, replacing each other's choices with their own. Soon the coalition between Zhili and Fengtian broke down and hostilities were inevitable.

First Zhili–Fengtian War
In this war Wu Peifu was again placed in the position of commander-in-chief of Zhili forces. Fighting would take place on a broad front south of Beijing and Tianjin and lasted from April to June 1922. Initially, the Zhili army again suffered several setbacks against the well-equipped Fengtian army. Yet once again, Wu Peifu's leadership and planning turned the tide in favor of the Zhili clique. He executed several outflanking maneuvers that forced the western front of the Fengtian army back towards Beijing, then he lured it into a trap by feigning retreat. The result was the annihilation of the western wing of the Fengtian army, making its more successful eastern operations untenable. Zhang Zuolin was forced to order a general retreat towards Shanhaiguan, thereby ceding control of the capital to Wu and the Zhili clique.

Victorious, Cao Kun and Wu Peifu's Zhili clique nevertheless took control of a government whose control over the provinces had greatly deteriorated. Manchuria was now de facto independent under Zhang Zuolin and the still formidable Fengtian clique, while the south was divided among myriad warlord armies, including remnants of the Anhui clique and Sun Yat-sen's Kuomintang.

Control of the Beijing Government
The new government in Beijing was supported by Great Britain and the United States. Li Yuanhong, the last president with any legitimacy, was recalled to sit as president again on June 12, 1922; however, any cabinet member had to be cleared by Wu Peifu. By this time Wu's prestige and fame had far surpassed that of his former mentor Cao Kun, nominally head of the Zhili clique. This strained their relationship, although it did not result in a fracture of the Zhili clique. Wu tried to restrain Cao when the latter began political machinations for the presidency but ultimately could not prevent Cao from toppling the cabinet and impeaching Li. Cao then spent several months campaigning for the presidency and even openly declared he would pay $5000 to any parliamentarian who would cast a vote for him. This caused national condemnation against the Zhili clique but did not prevent Cao from being elected in October 1923.

In 1923 Wu ruthlessly broke a strike at the important Hankou–Beijing railway by sending in troops to violently suppress the workers and their leaders. The soldiers killed 35 workers and injured many more. Wu's reputation with the Chinese people suffered significantly because of this event, though he gained the favor of British and American business interests operating in China.

Although it appeared that Zhili's power was secure for the time being, a crisis in the south soon precipitated another showdown with the Fengtian clique. The crisis was over the city of Shanghai, the commercial powerhouse of the nation. It was part of the province of Jiangsu, under Zhili control, but actually administered by Zhejiang, ruled by the remnants of the Anhui clique. When the Zhili clique demanded the return of Shanghai to their administration they were refused and fighting soon broke out. Zhang Zuolin in Manchuria and Sun Yat-sen, then in Guangdong, quickly declared their support for the Anhui clique and geared up for war. Wu Peifu dispatched his subordinate and protégé Sun Chuanfang to the south to deal with the Anhui clique and any attack that may have come from Sun's Kuomintang forces, while Wu himself prepared to face off again with Zhang's Fengtian army.

Second Zhili–Fengtian War
Now called the "Jade Marshal" (玉帥) and generally acknowledged to be China's ablest strategist at the time, Wu Peifu was widely expected to win, and by doing so to finally put an end to various quasi-independent regional authorities. His warlord troops were some of the best trained and drilled in China, and as leader of the Zhili Clique, he almost continuously fought northern Chinese warlords like Zhang Zuolin. Known as the philosopher general due to having graduated from the imperial examinations, he was said at the time to own the world's largest diamond.

Hundreds of thousands of men fought in this major battle between Zhang's Fengtian army and Wu's Zhili forces. At a key moment, one of Wu's chief allies, Feng Yuxiang, deserted the front, marched on Beijing and in the so-called Beijing Coup (Beijing zhengbian) overthrew the existing regime and proclaimed a new and mildly progressive government. Wu Peifu's military strategy was thrown into confusion by this catastrophe in his rear, and he was defeated by Zhang's forces near Tianjin. After the victory of the Fengtian clique, Duan Qirui was made the head of state and he proclaimed a provisional government.

Northern Expedition
Wu maintained a power base in Hubei and Henan in central China until he was confronted by the Kuomintang army during the Northern Expedition in 1927. With armies detained by Kuomintang allies in the Northwest, Wu was forced to withdraw to Zhengzhou in Henan.

As Wu Peifu's armies were being overrun by the Kuomintang forces of Chiang Kai-shek, during a breakfast interview with a westerner Wu Peifu was noticed carrying an old book; the interviewer asked him the title, and Wu replied, "The Military Campaigns of the Kingdom of Wu. They didn't have any machine guns or airplanes then." Wu never held a political office during his years as a warlord.

Wu Peifu hung a portrait of George Washington in his office. He was a nationalist, and refused to enter foreign concessions—not even to hide from his enemies—because he viewed them as an affront to China, and instead chose a much more perilous method of escape.

Later years
After the second Sino-Japanese War broke out, Wu refused to cooperate with the Japanese. In 1939, when the Japanese invited him to be the leader of the puppet government in North China, Wu made a speech saying that he was willing to become the leader of North China again on behalf of the New Order in Asia, if every Japanese soldier on China's soil gave up his post and went back to Japan. He then went back into retirement. In December 1939, Wu went to a dentist complaining of a toothache, and received an extraction. He died two weeks later, ostensibly of sepsis.

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