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George Weiss (producer)

George G. Weiss is an American film producer who specialized in independent 'road show' exploitation Z movies during the 1950s and sexploitation shockers in the 1960s that openly defied the motion picture production code of the day.

Glen or Glenda
Weiss is best known as the producer who funded the exploitation film Glen or Glenda (1953) directed by Ed Wood, originally conceived as a fictionalized story of the sexual reassignment surgery of Christine Jorgensen. When Jorgensen refused to collaborate on the film, Wood wrote a new autobiographical script about his own struggle with being a closet transvestite and added stock film footage about sexual reassignment surgery. Weiss appears in the film in an uncredited cameo as "man at transvestite's suicide." Adding to the film's already extensive fantasy sequence, Weiss included incongruous scenes of scantily clad women, bondage, and whipping taken from another project inspired by the fetish films of Irving Klaw. This was done partly to increase the film's length up to the required 70 minutes.

In 1956, Weiss backed another Wood project, a juvenile delinquent film with the working title Hellborn. The project was soon abandoned. Wood later incorporated the footage into his films The Sinister Urge and Night of the Ghouls.

Timothy Farrell films
Another connection between Weiss and Ed Wood is actor Timothy Farrell, the sympathetic doctor in Glen or Glenda. Farrell had a major role as a gangster in Wood's Jail Bait, and a supporting part in The Violent Years.

For Weiss, Farrell also played doctors in Hometown Girl (1949) and Test Tube Babies (1948), an exploitation film about artificial insemination. In 1951 he was in the risque burlesque film Paris After Midnight with famous stripper Tempest Storm.

He played Umberto Scalli, a sleazy gymnasium owner and drug pusher in three films: The Devil's Sleep (1949), Racket Girls (aka Pin Down Girls (1951)) and Dance Hall Racket (1954) with iconoclastic comedian Lenny Bruce in his only film role. These films were largely an excuse for showcasing "cat fight" female-wrestling footage.

In Girl Gang (1954), Farrell plays another degenerate drug dealer in a film noteworthy for showing the step-by-step process of preparing and injecting heroin. (Weiss did not shy away from taboo subjects in any of his films.)

Stock footage features
As did Ed Wood, Weiss also cobbled together footage from other sources and created a flimsy plot as a framing device. From his collection of erotic burlesque films he released Hollywood After Midnight, Baghdad After Midnight (both 1954) and The Peek Snatchers (1965), among others.

Nudist Life (1961) was mostly put together from assorted nudist camp films from the previous two decades.

Weiss even stole from himself, as in The Pill (1967), which he also directed. The bulk of the film is recycled from Test Tube Babies dressed up as a clinical study on birth control.

Many of Weiss' films are presented in a pseudo-documentary style accompanied by earnest voice-over narration (pretending to be an educational film was a way to circumvent censorship laws). Chained Girls (1965) is an example of this practice.

The Olga series
Besides Glen or Glenda, Weiss may be best remembered for producing some of the first "roughie" sexploitation films of the 1960s with his "Olga" series. Directed by Joseph P. Mawra and starring Audrey Campbell as the sadistic white slaver Olga, Weiss unleashed Olga's House of Shame (which he also co-wrote), White Slaves of Chinatown, Olga's Girls (all from 1964), Mme. Olga's Massage Parlor (1965) and Olga's Dance Hall Girls (1969). Weiss has a brief role as a doctor in White Slaves of Chinatown. Although tame by today's standards, the series was shocking and unique in its day. Underground filmmaker John Waters cites Olga's House of Shame as a major early influence.

Weiss was friendly with New York filmmaker Michael Findlay and his wife Roberta Findlay, an actress and cinemaphotographer. In 1964 Weiss encouraged them to follow in the trail blazed by the Olga films. The Findlays went on to make a series of even more extreme sexploitation films, including The Touch of Her Flesh and its two sequels.

 * Weiss was played by actor Mike Starr in Tim Burton's 1994 biographical film Ed Wood.
 * Weiss is quoted at length throughout the interview-filled oral history biography on Ed Wood: Nightmare of Ecstasy: The Life and Art of Edward D. Wood, Jr., by Rudolph Grey (Feral House, Inc., 1992).

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Talk:Holographic Versatile Disc

Release date
is there any word on when it comes out?19:59, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

 * No. If you read the article, it will tell you it's still in the research stage. {{Template:NazismIsntCool/sig}} 10:46, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Check the Links section...DaTARIUS has signed an agreement with InPhase to be their sole distributor of a product coming out in 2007 as 300GB WORM discs (with accompanying hardware), 600GB re-writable discs (and hardware) in 2008 and 1.6TB discs available by 2010. I always said HD and BD discs were not signifigant enough jumps and would fall by the wayside very quickly.

Of course, they still may keep a hold on the consumer video market...their size is ok for that, while HVDs will be more expensive, but absolutely vital for the IT industry. Grendelum 03:24, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

 * HVD Forum website says

 * Q When will HVD products be generally available?
 * A HVD drive and disc designed for enterprise market will be available starting summer 2006.

 * So now we know. Has anyone seen anything real working ? --195.137.93.171 (talk) 20:05, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * IIRC the low density 200 gig discs were indeed released in late 06 early 07. 500 gig discs are currently being released. No word yet on whether or not they'll meet their 2010 projected release date for the multi-terabyte discs. Gopher65 talk 00:04, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Article states "although HVD standards were approved and published on June 28, 2007, no company has released an HVD as of November 2009." I'm from the future and they haven't been released by March 2010 either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.139.1.68 (talk) 18:36, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Storage
Do you think the disks will be used for say the Ultra High Definition Video standard? 159753 11:45, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

 * According to that link, the HVD would only be capable of about 20 minutes of video. Moltovivace 01:08, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

 * That's uncompressed, I think. --Ctachme 14:52, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Yeah it can hold 11 hours of compressed Ultra High Definition Video (The 3.9 terabytes version) Uber555 02:06, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Yeah compressed and it would take 3900GB of storage that's some HD Video (most normal HD have 500GB) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.250.110.93 (talk) 19:34, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

Well, a 3.5 hour movie would be around 900 gigs with audio (both compressed). Assuming that 1.6 terabyte discs become reality (or the 3.9 ones), that would easily be enough space for LotR: tRotK + extras. And that's about the longest movie I ever intend to sit through:P. Gopher65 talk 17:36, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Games
they would see better use in the gaming industry i think Gabrielsimon 11:59, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

I can't imagine that the gaming industry could find a use for that much available data storage in a game. The costs to develop a game with such expansive graphics, storyline, and cutscenes (among other things) would be astronomical and take years to create. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.64.0.35 (talk • contribs) 18:28, 15 July 2005 (UTC).

 * To the above comment : Games are HIGHLY compressed. Mass Effect for the 360 for example had to be stripped down to fit on a DVD. If games were uncompressed they would take up 50-400 times the storage space. Textures alone can have a compression ratio of 1:100. Games without compression wouldn't require decoding. They would load much faster and run a lot smoother and faster. Not to mention everything would be ultra high resolution. A lot of games wouldn't need to be installed since the data is ready to be processed by the engine and requires no conversion. This means, on a PC you could put in a game and run it instantly, only creating save files (Which with a data transfer rate of 1gb/s would easily be possible). The costs to devlop such a game would be less since there wouldn't be a need to develop advanced compression and decompression techniques based on specific computer architecture.RAFAZUM (talk) 01:06, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

 * As Bill Gates once said: "No one involved in computers would ever say that a certain amount of memory is enough for all time." Drumnbach 20:18, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Bill Gates also once said: "640kb will allways be enough"... 84.39.98.169 (talk) 07:04, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No he didn't stop spreading lies — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.190.158.6 (talk) 14:35, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

they used to say that about games basd off of CDs. Gabrielsimon 22:02, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

I don't see holographic discs as a mass-distribution medium. CDs, DVDs, HD-DVDs and the like are injection-moulded. One machine can produce hundreds of DVDs per hour, for pennies apiece. Holographic discs (I think) would have to be written one at a time. You can't distribute a game or a movie that way. Spiel496 18:22, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Interesting point. One idea is multiple HVD's could be "burned" simultaneously by using one very powerful laser and one data page and a light splitter to simultaneously burn all the HVD's.  Obviously lots of design issues to be solved before thats a reality, but if it works then say 100 HVD's could be burnt in one batch.  Another thing is there is no limitation to a single burning head - multiple heads could be used to write the disks quicker. The problem you mention looks like it'll be a problem with many next-gen formats.  82.21.25.116 (talk) 19:12, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but they say the price will drop. Uber555 02:09, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes a factory of these machines could do it. Aside from that, the read rate would more then justify the use for anything if it is really 1 gig/sec. I mean come on... two seconds and POW! You have a modern first person shooter loaded to memory, no install needed. Hard drives need to get to this rate! - 68.228.56.158 03:49, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Future utility
If this got popular, they probebly wouldn't need another storage medium for decades. I wonder if they could make smaller discs which still hold terabytes of information. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 193.120.94.143 (talk • contribs) 11:49, 23 August 2005 (UTC).

 * There probably will be 8cm discs which can store 1.25 TB. {{Template:NazismIsntCool/sig}} 10:46, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Changes
Parts of this article seemed poorly written, so I made a couple changes... didn't add anything. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.128.160.180 (talk • contribs) 15:52, 25 August 2005 (UTC).

Start using headings
This article seems a bit biased. If these have such huge capacity and such fast write-speed, why aren't they common? Is it just price, or are there still some problems in need of fixing before these become mainstream? NPOV, people, not just the info in the companies' advertisements.Twilight Realm 00:09, 27 September 2005 (UTC) Probably because it's still in the research phase. Even if it was completed it would still take years to gain widespread use because of (probably) very high manufacturing costs compared to DVD/HD-DVD/Blu-Ray.--DA Roc 01:43, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, could somebody please add an explanation what's holding up this disc standard? Peter S. 11:40, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * You should read the article. It's still being researched. {{Template:NazismIsntCool/sig}} 10:46, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * The same thing could be said about FiOS or Genome Splicers. If its so great why don't we have it in all our homes. It takes time for a technology to mature. I'm suprised we get something like this by 2006.--208.253.80.123 00:00, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I was talking to a gentleman who works in the military and from what he was saying, this type of data storage has been in use in the military for a couple years. The problem is cost more than anything else.  The drives that read the "discs" cost in the upwards of around 7,000 - 10,000 USD.  Its the same as any technology.  Military -> Commercial -> Consumer.
 * "This sort of technology" is still in the research stages, and can't be used by anyone. I suspect your conversationee was talking about something else entirely. Tim 16:54, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Or it could just be a cover-up sort of thing... 70.64.36.70 02:52, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It is very likely that the reason is that we currently do not have the technologie to mass produce theses types of discs. Just about everything that isn't mass produced has a higher cost attached to it. What it comes down to is, could a compagny make money by selling discs of this format? If the production cost is higher then what the targeted custumer is willing to pay, or able to pay, then it is not commercialy viable. In this case, who is the target? Like most format, the initial target will likely be the high end market, while the mid to long term target would be the average middle class worker. When your aiming for a large market which isn't nescessairly rich, not being able to mass produce is a problem. Technology will have to improve before theses can be widely found in stores.
 * (Enalung (talk) 23:43, 13 October 2010 (UTC)).

Delft University of Technology
I recently heard that the Delft University of Technology was working on something like this. But I see no reference to that here. Is that a different project? DirkvdM 13:41, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

HVD To Solve Chess
This technology could be instrumental in the effort to solve chess. Chess tablebases take up a huge amount of space, the HVD could potentially solve the space problem. Dionyseus 11:35, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

 * You're talking 1050 legal positions, according to Computer chess. That would exceed the capacity of an HVD by a factor in the vicinity of a duodecillion.  In point of fact, it will be physically impossible to store all possible chess positions on the planet Earth, since that only consists of around 1050 atoms.  And finally, the computational complexity of solving all those positions is utterly prohibitive with current technology; if we had a billion computers solving a billion positions per second, it would take 1032 years for them to solve chess, ten sextillion times the age of the universe. Or, in short, these aren't going to help a whole lot. ;) —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 05:23, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * With the development of Spintronics we will get closer though. — jS 00:28, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

 * What is so hard in solving chess and how do you "solve" it what does the word solve mean? 84.250.110.93 18:00, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * If you solved chess you would know the best first move for white. 88.68.216.157 (talk) 21:50, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

In this regard "solving" means being able to see every possible move from start to finish, every single variation. Once we have solved chess, it would be impossible for god himself to win. Not that we can ever do it though... =P —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.137.240.250 (talk) 04:45, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Not so, you merely need to identify a strategy for one player that inevitably leads to a win within a finite number of moves. This is likely to be vastly smaller than the set of all possible moves. Stub Mandrel (talk) 17:09, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Appearance
The HVD looks like gold on one side. Maybe "technology pimps" would end up wearing them. :-) {{Template:NazismIsntCool/sig}} 10:46, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Gibibytes or Gigabytes
Is gigabyte the right term? giga refers to the decimial system while Gibi refers to binary. So Would that make the correct term Gibibyte?

Gigabyte is the common term at this time, regardless of technicalities. My guess is that "this is an encyclopedia for the masses, not a technical journal" applies.

 * Gibibyte is a kind of artificial term. At first, KB, MB, GB, TB were defined and used by computer specialists, where K is 1024, and everything is obviously bound to powers of two. Later some dishonest manufacturers started to use the 1000 definition of K, which counts for 7.5% for GB. Since SI defines K as 1000, it's formally permissible, but the computers can never move to 1000 without complication. So "kibi, mebi, gibi, tebi" and associated terms were introduced, as purely artificial ones, for distinction. As far as I know, nobody uses them except when specifically discussing 1000/1024 prefixes, and no one is probably going to use them. So, gigabyte in computers generally means what is today formally called "gibibyte". When discussing estimates and approximates, there's clearly no need for the obscure "gibibyte" term. CP/Mcomm |Wikipedia Neutrality Project| 15:37, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Gibibyte is very necessary to disambiguate between the archaic interpretation of gigabyte. People who use gigabyte to mean gibibyte are defying ISO standards. Regardless of gigabyte's historical meaning, it is precisely one billion bytes. The SI interpretation of kilobyte, megabyte, gigabyte, etc... came about as computing evolved higher level platforms that mask the computer's intrinsics. --RITZ 03:41, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Except roughly 0.1% of people know or care what a 'gibibyte' is (not to mention that it's a stupid name). The ISO may not like it, and a few people may be on some mystical crusade to convert the planet, but gigabyte means 1073741824 bytes. This is like trying to change the meaning of 'mile' to be a thousand meters, and particularly stupid when pretty much every computer on the planet has a memory size that's a power of two, not a power of ten... like people really want to have to deal with buying 1.073741824 gigabyte DIMMs. Mark Grant 10:41, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm sorry, but this is not just false and ignorant, it is quite insulting. Maybe you are on "some mystical crusade to convert the planet" but it is an absolute certainty that gigabyte does NOT mean "1073741824 bytes". Not now and at no time in the past. Period. Not by formal definition and not by common usage. Go out on the street and ask a thousand people "how many bytes are in a gigabyte" and the most common answer is going to be "a lot", followed by things like "a thousand megabytes" and/or "a billion bytes". There's going to be tiny, vanishing minority of nerds who might say something like "1024 megabytes" or maybe even "1024 times 1024 times 1024 bytes", but there will be ZERO people giving you the answer "a gigabyte is 1073741824 bytes". With certainty. WP is (supposed to be) descriptive not prescriptive, and thus the proper meaning of the word "gigabyte" is what people use the word to mean: a billion bytes. As important as techy-nerds seem to imagine themselves to be, you do not get to redefine the words of the English language -- only we, the speakers of that language get to do that and we do it by usage and by usage a "megabyte" is "a million bytes". At best someone might translate the word to "about a million bytes". But no living person on the planet says "megabyte" and actually means "1048576 bytes". (<- As a matter of fact, I had to resort to a calculator to even figure out that number there.) Iron Condor 22:46, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

The gibibyte and so on were invented to deal with the fact that a computer calculates using not base-10 (10^9 = giga) but to base-2 (2^30 = giga in binary -> gibi). Look it up:. That's why this debate is as useless as the Lilliputian-Blefuscan war. The question remains valid though, what exactly do they mean? Unfortunately I haven't been able to find the answer. Indeed, Ecma's recently released standards remain mum on this. But, in the light of industry practice, I'd say gigabyte is in fact the correct term.
 * Dudes, seriously, it's not that hard and it carries plenty of both historical and judicial precedent (and it has nothing to do with wat ignorants think, which is why there is so much judicial precedent, especially in the US). Think of the metric system (which actually makes sense)... How much meter is a kilometer? How much ton is a megaton? How much watt is a terawatt? THIS is exactly why it's not only perfectly legal to say a gigabyte is 1000 megabyte but it's even very logical.

 * I was wondering whether GB in this article refers to 1000^3 or 1024^3 bytes. This discussion addresses the question but doesn't seem to answer it.  Does anybody know? Thunderbird2 (talk) 19:01, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

 * I have heard nothing about this particular case, but for DVD-Rs they use Gigabytes not Gibibytes. 4.7 sounds bigger than 4.3. I imagine that his body uses the same rational. Without evidence to the contrary, it's always a good bet to assume that they will use the number that makes their product sound the best. Especially if another format war is brewing. Still, it'd be nice to have a source. I can't find out. I don't think one exists yet.Gopher65 (talk) 19:58, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

 * You seem to be seeing that we just don't know. That's a sorry state of affairs isn't it? Thunderbird2 (talk) 20:03, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

InPhase
I changed some of the parts about InPhase's competing media, and removed an erroneous part about InPhase releasing a HVD disc in 2006. Seeing as InPhase is working on an entirely separate standard, maybe it should get it's own article, or maybe this article should be renamed to include all holographic standards?

 * It isn't actually InPhase that is doing it, but DaTARIUS. See my above comments (and hopefully my addition to the article if it doesn't get removed) that has time tables and file sizes (300GB to 1.6TB in 2010).   Let's talk about that ;¬)  Grendelum 03:29, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Other competition
Fluorescent_multilayer_disc
 * I doubt that, this one has got 3.9Terabits when that things got 1Tb

Higher Storage Capacity Options
Stabilizing Ferroelectric Materials

Poorly written sentence
I removed the following sentence:
 * (For comparison, the red laser in a consumer CD-R or DVD-R drive is 0.1–0.25 watt)

It's rather poorly written. Firstly CD-Rs use infrared lasers. Secondly, it's not clear to me what it's talking about. Is it talking about the power of the laser used for reading or for writing? If it's for reading, we should be talking about the laser in CD-ROM and DVD-ROM drives. Of course, CD-RW drives and DVD+/-RW drives also have a laser but AFAIK the laser is higher power and the high power is needed/used for writing (when reading it uses less power). If it's for writing, then we should refer to them as CD-RW and DVD+/-RW drives or something like that since that's what they're commonly referred to as and make sure we're clear it's for writing. Regardless, is the 1w green laser currently the laser power needed for HVD for reading or for writing? Clearly we should be comparing apples to apples so the laser power should be either reading or writing (or both) for both. Also, I'm guessing BluRay and HD-DVD blue laser power is probably similar but we need to be clear. Nil Einne 12:09, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Expected by June '06
Seems strange that something is "expected" by june '06 since it's past then. Chris M. 23:17, 25 September 2006 (UTC) it is the fall of 2013 now ,and i have'nt even heard of this product in the market either any work(research) being done on this project.. is it still on the move ? i guess .. not yet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.176.42.178 (talk) 10:20, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

What is this list?

 * Alps Electric Corporation, Ltd.
 * CMC Magnetics Corporation
 * Dainippon Ink and Chemicals, Inc. (DIC)
 * EMTEC International (subsidiary of the MPO Group)
 * Fuji Photo Film Company, Ltd.
 * Konica Minolta Holdings, Inc.
 * LiteOn Technology Corporation
 * Mitsubishi Kagaku Media Company, Ltd. (MKM)
 * Nippon Kayaku Co., Ltd.
 * Nippon Paint Company, Ltd.
 * Optware Corporation
 * Pulstec Industrial Company, Ltd.
 * Shibaura Mechatronics Corporation
 * Software Architects, Inc. (?)
 * Suruga Seiki Company, Ltd.
 * Targray Technology International, Inc.
 * Teijin Chemicals, Ltd.
 * Toagosei Company, Ltd.
 * Tokiwa Optical Corporation

 * the company's in the development of holographic disks or better know as the HVD alliance Markthemac 21:55, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

New standards and names incorporated
I changed the piece about the standards, reflecting the changes and the final approval of the Ecma standards.

Also, the HVD Alliance website is emptied, it's all moved to HVD FORUM. Changed that too.

Contradiction
It says this early in the article:

"The HVD also has a transfer rate of 1 gigabit/s (125 megabytes/s)."

However, in the Storage capacity in context section, it reads:

"The transfer rate is at an average of 1 gigabyte/second, or 1024 megabytes/second, around 380 times the transfer rate for current 16x DVD storage."

Can someone can clarify which one it actually is? — jS 23:27, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Okay I want one. 3900GB would cost around min. 1000€ :D you know this might be a good reference to how great of an improvement that would be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.250.110.93 (talk) 19:29, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

Check this out: http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/hvd1.htm it says here that it transfers at one gigabyte per second. If I read correctly, the article says one gigabit/125 megabytes? Confirm anyone? Cybersteel8 (talk) 10:42, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Access Speed.
The opening paragraph states 1gigbit/s access times (125mb/s) yet the next paragraph stated 1 gigabyte/s access times.

They can't both be right, im inlined to think the first one. Anyone know? Neosophist 16:47, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

just noticed this was tagged last month, my bad. Someone should fix it or at least remove both references until a speed is determind? Neosophist 16:48, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Anglo-American focus and systematic bias
What is this line? "Current models are being mass produced by Maxell and shipped to TV stations across the country."

What country? I live in Norway. Is it being shipped to TV stations across Norway?

Well, who knows? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.134.125.93 (talk) 17:20, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to remove this line because its obscure (what country? why ship to TV stations?) and unverifiable. Rotsor 06:35, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I know for a fact that it is true that it's being shipped to TV stations for archiving purposes. Where exactly these stations are, i'm not sure but i would assume america. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.128.65.183 (talk) 04:13, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

News?
--Cantalamessa (talk) 15:01, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The HVD forum site seems to be quite silent from end of 2006.
 * The Optware link results in site under maintenance. Just a case?

 * Uh, yeah. Is there any news on this anywhere? I'd like to see this page updated, but I haven't seen any news articles on this for a while.Gopher65 (talk) 23:33, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Here's some news: InPhase finally to phase in holographic disk

Edit: Also there's a picture at Engadget: InPhase to finally ship Tapestry 300r holographic storage solution in May 85.211.181.12 (talk) 18:23, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It looks like one of the 2 remaining technical problems with HVDs has now been solved. The sole remaining issue is the high price of lasers of sufficiently high power. One down, one to go;). Muwhahahaha. Gopher65 talk 17:52, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

The BBC just had an article about these discs. they called it micro-holographic discs. GE unveiled a 500 gig disc. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8021012.stm 142.179.247.219 (talk) 19:14, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Blu-Ray will be obsolete soon
the victory against HD DVD is insignificant

keep your dvd players —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.210.51.222 (talk) 08:29, 19 May 2008 (UTC) this wont effect blu ray dvd, u see ur need a special player with a green and red lazer , thats gonna cost a lot , blu ray is perfact for 20 years easy —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stephenkolo (talk • contribs) 18:29, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

 * For mass storage Bluray is woefully insufficient, and in fact is more expensive on a per gig basis than even already existing HVD discs, never mind the newer, cheaper, larger size discs that are in the pipeline. When the writers start to drop from their current absurdly expensive price down to something more reasonable (~1500 bucks I'm thinking) then you'll start to see HVDs (or a similar technology from a competitor) supplant DVD writers on computers. However, while Bluray is too small and too expensive for mass-storage, even it is too big for current "high-definition" content, if you are using reasonable lossless compression. 50 gigs is easily more than what is needed. There is simply no need to have 200 gig or 1.6 terabyte discs at the current time. Maybe when lithographic (or is that hololithic? That's not a word yet, but I have a feeling it will be.) TVs with extreme resolution start to become popular that will change... mmmmmmmm quasi-3D... but for the moment nothing bigger is needed in the consumer video disc market.

 * But yeah, don't buy a Bluray writer for your computer. They're already obsolete. Wait a few years for the HVD writers to drop in price, then pick up one of those. Sony should never have forced that format war; it pushed back the *real* launch of HD discs until one format won the war. Now, because of Sony's obstinance, Bluray won't be as successful as a combined format would have been:(. Silly stubborn Sony. Gopher65 talk 02:07, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

 * I agree totally. Blu-Rays might be fine for storing just audio and video (their main purpose), but for storage needs (Just like a CD or DVD)they are already obsolete. You can already buy hard drives near 1TB for a fairly cheap price per GB, and as made obvious by this article there are optical disc technologies out there that will have to wait a long time because of the "HD-DVD/Blu-Ray" war. I bought a 500GB SATA hard drive over a year ago for just a hundred dollars... and I have to buy an external one if I wanted to backup any of my data. You can forget using optical discs. Also, prices are rediculous still for Blu-Ray. I was in a store today and saw the cheapest one for $200. There was also a $300 model. You just add-on another $100 and buy a PS3 at that rate. Cody-7 (talk) 04:25, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

 * Update 03/03/09: I just bought a 1TB hard disk for $99 in Decenber. So double the storage is already cheaper than it was just a year and a half ago. -- Cody-7 (talk) 05:31, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yup, I bought a 1 terabyte external Seagate drive for 112 bucks... and this was at Best Buy, which is more expensive than a lot of other places. Gopher65 talk 23:54, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Look who was wrong 4 years ago. In the meantime, HDTV adoption has become widespread, and Blu Ray, which has become the only physical media for 1080p video offers hi-def 3D at a superior quality over streaming (the infrastructure just isn't there and people also still like to physically own things they pay for). Unsurprisingly, Blu Ray now has a 25% share of the home video market, 40% of the sales of newly released movies go towards Blu Rays. The price of 50GB BD-Rs has come down to ~$3.60 USD per disc. That means, for Blu Ray the price per Gigabyte now is $0.078 USD, whereas the price per Gigabyte for DVD-R now is $0.069 USD - a negligible difference. The price for PC Blu Ray writers is below $100 USD. At the time of this writing, Blu Ray is the only media for long term storage of large amounts of data (eg. hi-res video and images). Properly stored, BD-Rs are expected to last at least 30 years, possibly 100; no HDD lasts that long. At present, there is really no alternative. While I have no doubt that HVD would be a good format, don't expect it to be introduced any time soon. None of the companies that backed Blu Ray have even the slightest interest (or reason) to make another switch for the next couple of years. Until Ultra HD becomes the norm (which could take until 2020 or longer), there won't be much demand for a larger physical format, and even then Blu Ray might still be enough: "On July 20, 2010, the research team of Sony and Japanese Tohoku University announced the joint development of a blue-violet laser, which will help in creating Blu-ray discs with a capacity of 1 TB (dual layer)." The next generation of video game consoles (Wii U, PS4, Xbox 3) will all feature a Blu Ray based storage format. In summary: Go ahead and buy a BD drive for your PC. Blu Ray won't be obsolete any time soon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.193.185.64 (talk) 15:16, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, HVDs certainly aren't going to make it to mass market, unfortunately. I wonder if the format war between HDDVD and Bluray took the wind out of their sails?

 * But I still put nearly everything I own on HDDs and, more recently, SSDs (with multiple backups. HDDs are super cheap, so I keep 4 backups because I'm paranoid;)). I've owned a Bluray player for 2 years, but I've only bought 4 Blurays, and all but one were out of the 5 dollar bargain bin at various retailers. I stream (legally, either paid (netflix, etc) or "free" advertising supported content (Crackle, etc)) a good deal of what I watch, and what little I can't stream I get through... other means. Those other means are fast becoming as unnecessary as my Bluray player though.

 * I do have one critique of your statement above: Blurays will last 100 years, but only in a temperature controlled, moisture free, low oxygen high argon environment. The 30 to 40 year figure is if you keep them in a moisture controlled (humidifier and dehumidifier both working when necessary, as some people do to keep their homes nice), dark area with few temperature fluctuations. If you keep them under your TV in normal conditions, they should last a good 20 years, maybe a bit more. If you leave them by your window, you're looking at a 2 to 5 year lifetime, depending on the exact conditions. Overall they have pretty similar survivability to DVDs, which is good. The first few Blurays they released for testing died very quickly, and that was worrisome at the time. Fortunately those issues have now been solved. — Gopher65talk 02:21, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

 * Oh, and a quick note: writable Blurays are no more durable than writable DVDs. The higher numbers are for the unburnable Blurays, not the ones you store data on. Generally you're looking at a lifetime of less than 10 years. I've had writable DVDs fail after only a couple years for no apparent reason. I've discovered to my chagrin that they are not a good long term solution for data storage. A decent set of two external harddrives with the same data on both is a far better solution... and it's cheaper. — Gopher65talk 02:30, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

>"Generally you're looking at a lifetime of less than 10 years." That is not true. I have talked about this with several experts; for instance Verbatim (Mistubishi Chemical) confirmed that they expect writable HTL BD media (inorganic dye) to last 30 years or more. I own several Verbatim Azo dye CD-Rs written as early as 1995 (=17 years ago), they were stored properly and still work perfectly. Note that Azo dye is organic, and thus much more light sensitive than HTL BD-Rs; so there is no reason to assume that BD-Rs won't outlast CD-Rs. Of course if you buy cheap no-name discs, then you get what you pay for. Hdds certainly are more convenient (speed-wise) than optical discs, but to really be on the safe side you need to migrate your data to new drives every 5 years and keep multiple copies, which makes the price per GB much higher than using BD-Rs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.193.180.202 (talk) 04:44, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

10 TB is NOT 1 petabyte
Can whomever manages this page please fix this? 192.35.35.34 (talk) 17:31, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

 * I fixed it, but what was stopping you from fixing it? 72.37.244.28 (talk) 17:48, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

 * Nothing, I guess - I just didnt want to step on someone elses toes 192.31.106.34 (talk) 15:42, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

What Colour LASERs?
In the first paragraph, the disk is described as having data read by a green laser, while tracking is done by a blue laser. In the second paragraph, however, we are talking about green for data and red for tracking. My question is this: RED OR BLUE? I know it's a simple find & replace job, but I don't know enough to determine which colour is correct. 118.208.105.69 (talk) 03:55, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

This is all very interesting to me i'm just waitiing for this technology to actually become a reality, but the answer to your question is that the red laser is used to read the data in a normal cd/dvd medium however with blu-ray it uses blue laser hence why its called blu-ray

Lucidica Support 35 Kingsland Road, Shoreditch, London E2 8AA 0844 414 2994 support@lucidica.com www.lucidica.com www.joannaakrofi.co.uk —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.66.9 (talk) 13:34, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Removed a 'sentence'
Removed the bellow from Competing Technologies, clearly it shouldn't have been there. Also I've just realised there are a few typos through the article. Will go through and correct.

"ge has had holographic storage disks since 2009 capable of being played with curent blueray systems, this artical needs to be fixed. disk player costs should be ~$120-500 and discs should be <$50 (cheaper than bluerays to produce and record)" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.120.16.131 (talk) 06:20, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Rewrote lede
Among other things, the article lede claimed planned release dates of 2019 and 2020, without references. It's unlikely that any technology company would announce a release date so far in the future. Using WikiBlame I found that these dates were successively pushed forward from 2008 by IP editors in July 2009, October 2009 and December 2009, none of them providing a reference or even so much as an edit comment. I see no reason to think these editors knew what they were talking about, and some reason to think that they didn't.

Please fix my rewrite. It's still pretty bad. But I think it's better. -- BenRG (talk) 00:30, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Logo
in that HVD_logo.svg on the right, holographic is spelt incorrectly, as 'holograpic' --82.153.115.127 (talk) 10:28, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Is HVD dead?
Is it safe to say HVD is a vaporware project? The official website has been either a blank page or a domain park since 2012216.73.201.25 (talk) 12:09, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't know for whom it could be safe to say that, but not us, because we're an encyclopedia. WP:NOTNEWS WP:CRYSTALBALL And that's an external link, not a reference.  It seems very strange and unfortunate that the web site would be down. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 13:55, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, the German Wikipedia has those WP: pages, too, and yet they write about HVD in the past tense. --Mudd1 (talk) 22:22, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Proposed Merger
I’ve proposed merging General Electric holographic disc into this page, as that article has little stand-alone value but makes sense as a section of the more general article.Mccapra (talk) 12:19, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Agreed If you do not get any negative comment in a day or two be bold and just do it. I would not wait all that long given the low level of content edits over the last few years.  Eno Lirpa (talk) 09:08, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge GE disk has some WP:PRIMARYNEWS, but doesn't look notable and is a bit WP:CRYSTAL - this target topic can cover it with a mention better. Widefox ; talk 11:28, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge Both articles are very short, and not growing. Seems like an uncontroversial proposal to me. Anxietycello (talk) 10:25, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ Klbrain (talk) 16:46, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

question about extended from
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Cotteridge

Cotteridge is an area of Birmingham, England, and part of the Bournville ward. It is about 4 mi miles south of Birmingham city centre. It has a shopping centre with a mixture of local shops, eateries and national brands.

Church
The Cotteridge Church is a Church of England, Methodist and United Reformed Church. local ecumenical partnership. Its building on Pershore Road was originally the Methodist church. The building was enlarged when the Church of England and URC churches were demolished to make way for a supermarket and the three congregations were merged.

The Church of England parish church was St Agnes', which began in 1898 with a mission room when it was licensed as a mission of St Nicolas', Kings Norton. A new Gothic Revival church was built in 1902 and consecrated in 1903.

The benefice of St Agnes was in the gift of the Vicar of Kings Norton until 1916, when part of St Nicolas' parish was detached to form a separate parish of St Agnes. In 1937 part of St Agnes' parish was detached to form the parish of Holy Cross, Billesley.

Schools
Cotteridge County Primary School was opened in 1900 by the Kings Norton Schools Board as a mixed infants school with a student capacity of 615. In 1911 a new infants department was opened with accommodation for 400 pupils.

In 1931 the school was reorganised to form a junior and infants department and a senior girls department. The senior girls department split from the school in 1945 to form Cotteridge Girls' County Modern School which had 160 pupils by 1961. In the same year Cotteridge County Junior and Infant School had eight classrooms and two halls.

Transport
The A441 Pershore Road, one of Birmingham's main radial roads, passes through the centre of Cotteridge, giving a direct road link to places such as Redditch. Kings Norton railway station serves Cotteridge. It is on the Cross-City Line, a major commuter route in and out of Birmingham. Many buses serve Cotteridge daily, including routes 11A, 11C, 18, 19, 45, 47, 49 and 55. Most services are operated by National Express West Midlands and Kev’s Car and Coaches. Previously Midland Red West operated service 146 to Redditch and Evesham but this now only runs between Evesham and Redditch as service 247.

Park
The local park is Cotteridge Park.

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David Sassoon (treasurer)

David Sassoon (October 1792 – 7 November 1864) was the treasurer of Baghdad between 1817 and 1829. He became the leader of the Jewish community in Mumbai after Baghdadi Jews emigrated there.

Life and career
Sassoon was born in Baghdad, where his father, Sassoon ben Saleh (1750–1830), was a wealthy businessman, chief treasurer to the pashas (the governors of Baghdad) from 1781 to 1817, and president (Nasi) of the city's Jewish community.

The family were Iraqi Jews. His mother was Amam Gabbai. After a traditional education in the Hebrew language, Sassoon married Hannah Joseph in 1818. They had two sons and two daughters before she died in 1826. Two years later he married Farha Hyeem (born 1812 - died 1886). The pair had six sons and three daughters.

Following increasing persecution of Baghdad's Jews by Dawud Pasha, the family moved to Bombay via Persia. Sassoon was in business in Bombay no later than 1832, originally acting as a middleman between British textile firms and Persian Gulf commodity merchants, subsequently investing in valuable harbour properties. His major competitors were Parsis, whose profits were built on their domination of the Sino-Indian opium trade since the 1820s.

When the Treaty of Nanking opened up China to British traders, Sassoon developed his textile operations into a profitable triangular trade: Indian yarn and opium were carried to China, where he bought goods which were sold in Britain, from where he obtained Lancashire cotton products. He sent his son, Elias, to Canton, where he was the first Jewish trader (with 24 Parsi rivals). In 1845, David Sassoon & Co. opened an office in what would soon become Shanghai's British concession, and it became the firm's second hub of operations. In 1844, he set up a branch in Hong Kong, and a year later, he set up his Shanghai branch on The Bund to cash in on the opium trade.

It was not until the 1860s that the Sassoons were able to lead the Baghdadi Jewish community in overtaking Parsi dominance. A particular opportunity was given by the American Civil War, during which turmoil American cotton exports from the South declined. Lancashire factories replaced American cotton imports with Sassoon's Indian cotton.

Along with Parsi businessmen such as Sir Jamsetjee Jejeebhoy, David Sassoon continued the trade with China and from the wealth earned there he started his own business of oil. His first mill was named E.D. Sassoon Mills and he became exceedingly prosperous. Later, the Sassoons were the largest mill owners and were known as Badshah of the business community of Bombay. Overall there were 17 mills, employing in total some 15,000 to 20,000 slaves and workers. Later, Sassoon also entered the cotton, fabrics and various other industries on a large scale. Sassoon, as an Orthodox Jew, continued his Jewish religious observances, observing the Jewish Sabbath throughout his busy life. He was also a member of the Legislative Assembly of the time. He built one of the largest and most beautiful synagogues of India, the Magen David synagogue at Byculla, Bombay. He also built the Ohel David Synagogue of Pune.

Various charity trusts, which continue in existence today, were funded from his private income and named after him and other members of his family. David Sassoon funded monuments and educational institutions in Mumbai. By his enterprise, Sassoon Docks at Colaba in the city were built, much of it with slave labor.

He soon came to live with his family at a palatial home he reconfigured and named Byculla's Bungalow or Sans Souci, the former palace of Shin Sangoo. This was later donated to the Parsi Trust and is today's Masina Hospital. Nearby Rani Bagh (Jijamata Udyann) was also his property and was donated to the Mumbai Municipal Corporation for the construction of the Albert Museum, designed by the most prominent architect of the time. The interior is exactly like the Magen David synagogue and the Ohel David Synagogue of Pune. It has a tall clock tower, the Victoria clock tower.

Legacy
Although David Sassoon did not speak English, in 1853 he became a naturalised British subject. He kept the dress and manners of the Baghdadi Jews, but allowed his sons to adopt English manners. His son, Abdullah changed his name to Albert, moved to England, became a Baronet and married into the Rothschild family. All the Sassoons of Europe are said to be descendants of David Sassoon. He built a synagogue in the Fort (area) and another in Byculla, as well as a school, a Mechanics' Institute, a library and a convalescent home in Pune. David Sassoon was conscious of his role as a leader of the Jewish community in Mumbai. He helped to arouse a sense of Jewish identity among the Bene Israeli and Cochin Jewish communities. The Sassoon Docks (built by his son) and the David Sassoon Library are named after him.

David Sassoon died in his country house in Pune in 1864 and was buried in a mausoleum at the Ohel David Synagogue. His business interests were inherited by his son Sir Albert Sassoon; Elias David had established a rival firm. His grandson David Solomon Sassoon was a renowned bibliophile.

Some of the prominent Buildings built by David Sasoon and his family are:
 * David Sassoon Library & reading room, Fort Mumbai
 * Magen David Synagogue, Byculla, Mumbai
 * Jacob Sasooon High School, Byculla, Mumbai
 * E.E.E. Sassoon High School, Byculla, Mumbai
 * David Sassoon Hospital, JJ Hospital Premises, Byculla, Mumbai
 * Masina Hospital, Byculla, Mumbai
 * Knesset Eliyahoo Synagogue, Colaba, Mumbai
 * Sassoon Dock, Colaba, Mumbai
 * The Bank of India, Fort (head office), Mumbai
 * The David Sassoon Reformary and Deaf school, Matunga, Mumbai
 * Ohel David Synagogue, Pune
 * Sassoon Hospital, Pune
 * Lady Rachel Sassoon Dispensary, Pune
 * David Sassoon Elderly and Destitute Persons Home (1863), Pune (today's Nivara Old Age Home)
 * Sassoon House

They have contributed to the construction of:

 * Gateway of India
 * Sassoon Building of Elphinstone Technical High School, Mumbai
 * The Institute of Science, Mumbai
 * Clock Tower at The Victoria Gardens
 * The Victoria and Albert Museum

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Juan Bautista Garcia

Juan Bautista Garcia (1904 – May 31, 1974), born Jean Baptiste Romanacce, was a Corsican immigrant to Puerto Rico whose life and family became the inspiration for one of Puerto Rico's most successful television shows in history, Los Garcia.

Biography
Juan Bautista Garcia's father died before he immigrated to Puerto Rico in 1906, at the age of two. Garcia and the rest of his family settled in the southern city of Guayama.

His mother died when Garcia was only eight years old, and Garcia had to begin working to earn a living. His parents were very rich; Garcia as a child could not manage the family's fortune and thus he actually became a homeless person for some time. At the age of thirteen, he got on a vehicle driven by bulls, and arrived in San Juan.

Garcia became a YMCA resident in San Juan. At the YMCA, he learned various skills, such as plumbing, painting and other jobs. Garcia became a noted artist in Puerto Rico's capital, although he never gained national or international fame with his paintings.

Juan Bautista Garcia married Josefina Santiago, with whom he had several children. Soon, he met television and radio producer Tomas Muniz, one of the most well known producers in Puerto Rico then. During the 1940s, Garcia travelled across the island with Mr. Muniz, helping him with the production of concerts, plays, and other events. Sometimes Garcia would help Muniz for free, other times for such goods as animals, and, less often, for money. Eventually, the money he did earn allowed him to buy a residence for him and his family at the Valencia urbanization in Rio Piedras, a large San Juan suburb. Tomas Muniz's sisters became his neighbors at Valencia, and Garcia met Mr. Muniz's son, Tommy Muniz, who also gained a lot of appreciation towards Garcia.

One fact that got Tommy Muniz's attention was that the Garcia's had weekly meetings, held on Sundays, and that sometimes as many as thirty family members would reunite. Rafo Muniz, Tommy Muniz's son, befriended Godofredo Garcia, whose character he would go on to play at the series.

Towards his later years, Garcia was hired by a college in San Juan to paint a mural on its interior. Since Tommy Muniz's children as well as those of Tomas Muniz's adoptive sisters attended that school, Tommy Muniz saw the paintings and he became inspired by them.

As a consequence, the television series, Los Garcia was conceptuated by Muniz and later on, shown on television since 1975, shortly after Juan Bautista Garcia had died. Tommy Muniz played Juan Bautista Garcia in the series.

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User talk:Malcolmloke

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Puławy County

Puławy County (powiat puławski) is a unit of territorial administration and local government (powiat) in Lublin Voivodeship, eastern Poland. It was first established in 1867, but its current borders were established on January 1, 1999, as a result of the Polish local government reforms passed in 1998. Its administrative seat and largest town is Puławy, which lies 46 km north-west of the regional capital Lublin. The county also contains the towns of Nałęczów, lying 23 km south-east of Puławy, and Kazimierz Dolny, 11 km south of Puławy.

The county covers an area of 933 km2. In 2019, its total population was 113,441, including 47,634 in Puławy, 3,749 in Nałęczów, 2,563 in Kazimierz Dolny and a rural population of 59,495.

Neighbouring counties
Puławy County is bordered by Ryki County to the north, Lubartów County and Lublin County to the east, Opole Lubelskie County to the south, Zwoleń County to the west, and Kozienice County to the north-west.

Administrative division
The county is subdivided into 11 gminas (one urban, two urban-rural and eight rural). These are listed in the following table, in descending order of population.

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Talk:Lambda function

Untitled
"The Lambda Function is an Artificial Function, it has little use in the natural world, however it proves interesting to study, as the curve of this function approaches a right-angle as x→∞"

Surely it was meant 'as b->∞' ? njh 11:52, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Is this topic real? I can't find it elsewhere on the Internet. Fredrik Johansson 21:45, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Er, what? Referenced - David Gerard 11:40, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Existence of this definition
There are many lambda functions according to MathWorld. But I have yet to see the definition given here. Did someone just make this definition up? - PGSONIC (talk) 02:18, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Lambda calculus
Lambda functions is the basis of Lambda Calculus which is a whole field in mathematical logic, and was developed throughout the last century ! It is also used in natural language semantics ! Please this article is under the minimal level of information ! Ptyxs (talk) 20:05, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Ptyxs (talk) 20:05, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Verfiication
Can anyone verify the existence of this usage? There don't appear to be any references and it has been questioned for some time now. 94.197.232.73 (talk) 07:44, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

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Eleanor Clymer

Eleanor Clymer (née Lowenton; January 7, 1906 – March 31, 2001), was an American children's author, best known for The Trolley Car Family (1947). She graduated from the University of Wisconsin–Madison in 1928 with a degree in English. Between the years of 1943 and 1983 she published 58 books, including The Tiny Little House, My Brother Stevie, and Hamburgers–and Ice Cream for Dessert.

Clymer was born in New York City, the daughter of Russian immigrants. Through much of her life she was a resident of Katonah, New York and an active member of the nearby Unitarian Universalist fellowship. In 1980 she was awarded the Rip Van Winkle award by the School Library Media Specialists of Southeastern New York for outstanding contributions to children's literature.

Her son, Adam Clymer, was a journalist with The New York Times. Clymer died in 2001 at the age of 95 in Haverford, Pennsylvania.

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Prince Dimitri of Yugoslavia

Prince Dimitri Nicholas Paul George Maria of Yugoslavia (born 18 June 1958), also known as Dimitri Karageorgevich or Dimitrije Karađorđević, is a gemologist and member of the Royal House of Yugoslavia. He is a grandson of Italy's last King, Umberto II, and his wife, Queen Marie José. He founded the jewellery firm bearing his name, Prince Dimitri Company, and continues to serve as its president and creative director. He was formerly senior vice president of the jewellery department of the Sotheby's auction house. He was named in the International Best Dressed List's Hall of Fame in 1994.

Life and career
Born in Boulogne-Billancourt, France, Prince Dimitri was raised in Versailles, attending boarding schools in France and Switzerland. He graduated from the University of Paris with a degree in business law and moved to New York City in 1983.

Originally pursuing a career on Wall Street, he decided to move into the field of jewellery and was offered a position in Sotheby's jewellery department, eventually rising to senior vice president. During his sixteen years with Sotheby's, he also became an appraiser and studied gemology. Prince Dimitri began designing jewellery in 1999, with a collection of gemstone cufflinks that was sold at Bergdorf Goodman and Saks Fifth Avenue. He also designed a line of women's jewellery for Barneys New York and Neiman Marcus. In 2002, he moved to the Phillips de Pury & Luxembourg auction house to head their jewellery department. In 2007, he and business partner Todd Morley founded the Prince Dimitri Company, which opened a salon in Manhattan. His jewelry has also been sold at auction by Christie's.

Family
Prince Dimitri and Prince Michael of Yugoslavia are the first set of twins born to Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia and his first wife, Princess Maria Pia of Savoy, the eldest daughter of Umberto II of Italy in 1958. Maria Pia had a second set of twins, Prince Serge and Princess Helene of Yugoslavia in 1963. They have a younger half-brother, Prince Dushan of Yugoslavia, from their father's second marriage to Princess Barbara of Liechtenstein.

Honours

 * House of Karađorđević: Knight Grand Cordon of the Royal Order of the Star of Karađorđe
 * House of Savoy: Knight of the Supreme Order of the Most Holy Annunciation
 * House of Savoy: Knight Grand Cross of the Royal Order of Saints Maurice and Lazarus

Ancestry
Through his paternal grandmother, Prince Dimitri is a first cousin once removed of: Prince Edward, Duke of Kent, Princess Alexandra, The Honourable Lady Ogilvy and Prince Michael of Kent. Prince Dimitri is a second cousin once removed of Queen Sofía of Spain and King Charles III, making Dimitri a third cousin of Felipe VI of Spain and William, Prince of Wales. He is also a third cousin once removed of Alexander, Crown Prince of Yugoslavia, Margrethe II of Denmark and Harald V of Norway. Through his paternal grandfather, Prince Paul of Yugoslavia, Dimitri is a member of the House of Karađorđević cadet branch. He is a grand-grand-grandson of the Prince Alexander of Serbia (Reign 1842–1858). Through his father, Dimitri descends from kings George I of Greece, Alexander II of Russia, and Christian IX of Denmark.

Princess Olga was the sister of Princess Marina, who married Prince George, Duke of Kent (an uncle of Queen Elizabeth II). Olga and Marina were also paternal first cousins of the Duke of Edinburgh, husband of Queen Elizabeth II. They were also related to brothers Prince Nicholas of Greece and Denmark and Prince Andrew of Greece and Denmark

Through his maternal grandmother, Marie-José of Belgium, Prince Dimitri is a second cousin of King Philippe of Belgium and Grand Duke Henri of Luxembourg and a third cousin to Franz, Duke of Bavaria. Through his maternal grandfather, Umberto II of Italy, Dimitri is a first cousin once removed of former Tsar Simeon II of Bulgaria. Through his mother, Dimitri descends from kings Victor Emmanuel III of Italy, Albert I of Belgium, and furthermore from Nicholas I of Montenegro and Miguel I of Portugal.

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International Bridge

International Bridge may refer to:

 * Baudette-Rainy River International Bridge, connecting Rainy River, Ontario and Baudette, Minnesota
 * Fort Frances-International Falls International Bridge, connecting Fort Frances, Ontario and International Falls, Minnesota
 * International Railway Bridge, a railroad bridge connecting Fort Erie, Ontario and Buffalo, New York
 * Laredo International Bridge 1, connecting Laredo, Texas and Nuevo Laredo, Tamaulipas
 * Laredo International Bridge 2, connecting Laredo, Texas and Nuevo Laredo, Tamaulipas
 * Laredo International Bridge 3, connecting Laredo, Texas and Colombia, Nuevo León
 * Laredo International Bridge 4, connecting Laredo, Texas and Nuevo Laredo, Tamaulipas
 * Laredo International Railway Bridge, connecting Laredo, Texas and Nuevo Laredo, Tamaulipas
 * Pharr-Reynosa International Bridge, connecting Pharr, Texas and Reynosa, Tamaulipas
 * Sault Ste. Marie International Bridge, connecting Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario and Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan
 * Seaway International Bridge, connecting Cornwall, Ontario and Massena, New York

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Talk:Patrick Süßkind

Süßkind or Süskind?
I've noticed that Tydaj changed the name to Süßkind. I'm not seeing it on any other wikipedia. What is the proper name? If it's Süßkind, other wikipedias and also some parts of this article should be changed. If it's not, we need an administrator to revert the change of name. --Akumiszcza 11:54, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

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Young Communist League of Sweden (1977)

Young Communist League of Sweden (Sveriges Kommunistiska Ungdomsförbund) was a political youth organization in Sweden.

When Arbetarpartiet Kommunisterna (Workers Party - the Communists) broke out of VPK in 1977, they founded a youth league with the name SKU. The Flamman-group in KU (Communist Youth, youth of VPK) had been expelled during 1975–1976. Later a large section of the Gävleborg district of KU affiliated itself to SKU.

SKU published a magazine called Gryningen (The Dawn).

In the late 1980s SKU started to become associated with an oppositional stream within APK. In 1990 SKU broke relations the APK. Thereafter it had a short-lived period as an independent youth organization. On May Day 1990 in Stockholm SKU marched together with KU and Ungsocialisterna (youth of Socialist Party) under the banner of "Youth against Capitalism and Stalinism".

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User talk:Mel Etitis/Archive 18

Ahmadinejad
I understand. It's fine. By the way, that post on Jay's page wasn't specifically about your revert, but it's nice to know what really happened. Thanks, HKT 20:44, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Nick Adams, Natalie Wood, etc.
I have now cited further sources on the discussion pages, but User:Wyss and User:Ted Wilkes still continue to disparage all of them and delete what I have written. I don't know what else I can do. 80.141.194.108 23:05, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

 * User:Wyss has claimed on the Talk:Nick Adams page, "So I can confirm that, over 35 years after his death, we have a passing reference in Lambert that Adams was gay, but the book's credibility has been questioned. Any other references to Adams as gay are even less credible, tabloid-type hearsay accounts which again, have emerged long after his death."

 * 1. The credibility of Gavin Lambert's book which states that Natalie Wood dated gay actor Nick Adams has not been questioned. The reputed author (80) was a Wood friend for 16 years. He has had access both to official papers and to Natalie's own writings including her day book and has interviewed members of her family and her husband, Robert Wagner. Certainly the biography supplies an insider's look at Wood and chronicles everything concerning her life. Wagner gave Lambert full cooperation for the book, telling his friends to share their memories as well. Without that help, the book would not have been complete. Natasha Gregson Wagner, daughter of Natalie Wood, calls Lambert's book "a wonderful biography on my Mom ... that we are all involved with - everybody that knew my Mom and was close to her - and that will really be the one I hope everyone reads. It will be the definitive biography on my Mother." See also Talk:Natalie Wood.

 * 2. In a book which was published in 1972 (certainly not an account which has emerged long after Adams's death), gay actor Sal Mineo, still alive at that time, undoubtedly confirms that there was a sexual relationship between Adams and James Dean. He says, "I didn't hear it from Jimmy, who was sort of awesome to me when we did Rebel. But Nick told me they had a big affair." 80.141.237.28 12:28, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Mel, please see the talk pages of both Nick Adams and Natalie Wood for my responses to this. I think we're developing a clear consensus on the Wood article to delete the disputed material. I'm patiently editing Nick Adams, where I also think we have an emerging consensus to remove the anon's material as both undocumented and not relevant. Wyss 12:32, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Significantly, Wyss has also deleted the following passage in the Sal Mineo article which was not written by me:
 * "While explicit mention of homosexuality was not permissible in Hollywood movies at the time, the reportedly bisexual James Dean dared Mineo to let his real-life desires for Dean shine through considerably in the scenes between them." See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sal_Mineo&diff=18122625&oldid=18085677
 * This certainly supports my suspicion that Wyss tries to suppress specific references to homosexuality in some articles on Hollywood's gays. This would also explain why this user is frequently reverting the articles on Nick Adams, Natalie Wood, etc. to the version he likes. I have cited several independent sources supporting my view on the discussion pages. I don't know what else I can do to convince this stubborn user. 80.141.252.165 14:19, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

 * That passage is an undocumented rumour, but an interesting story. Find some documentation for it. The only reference I could find is a dead-end reference to it at crimelibrary.com, which is not known for its accuracy (authors contribute for free in exchange for book plugs). Wyss 14:46, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

I should add... while the anon makes accusations that I'm "suppressing" content globally, all I've been doing is tracking down his additions of undocumented gossip in four or five articles. A look at my contribution history will further show that his accusation isn't true. He does seem to be trying to insert the words homosexual and gay into these articles as often as syntaxically possible. Please see the Natalie Wood and Nick Adams talk pages for more information about this anon poster's edits. Wyss 15:09, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Sorry, Wyss, as every unbiased reader can see, it is your intention to suppress any reference which supports the assertion that some popular male movie stars were gay, although there are several independent sources which prove the fact that they had homosexual leanings and affairs with other male stars. You personally wish that these stars should be seen as 100% straight, but the sources prove that you are wrong. Therefore, you and your alter ego Ted Wilkes frequently disparage the sources I have cited and repeatedly revert articles to the version you like. This is a clear offense against the Wikipedia guidelines. 80.141.228.125 16:12, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Truth be told, I've been sort of hoping I could find reasonable documentation Adams was gay so I could reference a secondary source for the article in a professional way (avoiding the anon's phrases like biggest piece in town, for example) and move along. I don't give a toss about Adams' bedroom choices. I care rather a lot about WP's credibility. Wyss 16:23, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Truth be told indeed. Lambert's book on Natalie Wood certainly is a reliable source. The author clearly says, Natalie Wood's "first studio-arranged date with a gay or bisexual actor had been with Nick Adams." Further sources also say that Adams was gay and had sexual relationships with other male stars. Where are your sources which prove that Adams wasn't gay? 80.141.252.152 16:48, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Please note how the anon demonstrates an utter lack of understanding of how Wikipedia and the historical sciences work. Only the anon's assertion requires proof (or at least some sort of primary source documentation cited by a secondary source). As an editor I don't need to prove anything (never mind prove a negative). Wyss 18:08, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Fact is that I have cited different primary and secondary sources which support my view. 80.141.190.49 17:36, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Hi Mel, I have seen that you have reverted the Wood article to the version preferred by user Wyss. In my opinion, this is not the best version, as Wyss has repeatedly deleted additional material I have included in the article, also material which has nothing to do with the claims of homosexuality. I think the following facts, supported by Wood biographers such as Gavin Lambert (2004) and Suzanne Finstad (2001), should be added to the article: What do you think?
 * 1. Natalie Wood's mother controlled the young girl's career and personal life from her start in films at the age of five. Natalie's father is described as a passive alcoholic who went along with whatever his wife demanded.
 * 2. At the age of 16 she celebrated her release from child-star status by sleeping with her director on Rebel Without a Cause, Nicholas Ray, and her co-star Dennis Hopper. This is indeed confirmed by the biographers.
 * 3. Natalie Wood certainly was in close contact with many men in Hollywood circles who biographer Gavin Lambert emphasizes were gay, including director Nicholas Ray and actors Nick Adams, Raymond Burr, James Dean, Tab Hunter, Scott Marlowe and playwright Mart Crowley. All their names should be mentioned, as these men played an important role in her life. Her contacts with Raymond Burr and Tab Hunter, for instance, have not yet been mentioned in the article. Tab Hunter himself said he was a frequent companion of Natalie Wood at the request of Warner Brothers, which had both stars under contract. They would attend parties to promote films like The Burning Hills even though he was gay - not publicly at the time - and she was still in her teens. Suzanne Finstad, author of Natasha: The Biography of Natalie Wood (2001) who received the Frank Wardlaw Prize for literary excellence for her first book, says that Mart Crowley "worked for them for many years, many years. She also hired his boyfriend." Finstad also says that Raymond Burr enhanced Natalie’s life and that he loved Natalie. "When I was talking to Dennis Hopper about that, he was saying I just cant wrap my mind around that one. But you know, I saw them together. They were definitely a couple. Who knows what was going on there." That most of these men were gay, is a sigificant fact which should be mentioned in the article. Wood's fundamental sympathy for, and support of, gay people in Hollywood, at a time when many homosexual stars were forced to marry straight woman in order to provide a safe cover for their true sexual orientation, is a very important aspect of her life and demonstrates her social engagement for minorities.

Ted Wilkes has now deleted this link which I have added to the Natalie Wood page: http://www.arlindo-correia.com/141204.html I don't know why this relevant link was removed by this user, but there seems to be a frequent tendency to revert everything I have contributed. Significantly, Ted Wilkes's arguments on the discussion page are nearly the same as those repeatedly used by his alter ego, user Wyss, to disparage what I have written. 80.141.252.38 14:01, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Mel, you said on the Talk:Natalie Wood page that I have refused to compromise, but this is not true, as we have now found an acceptable version for the Nick Adams article, though I am not quite happy with this rather short paragraph on the assertion that Adams was gay. But I still think that gay people played an important part in Natalie Wood's life. This should be mentioned in the article. See also Talk:Natalie Wood.

Tsushima again
I am a strict neutral on this; my only interest here is Wikipeace. Give me arguments (substantive, pleae; I can see the metarguments on proceedure myself) why Tsushima Island would be wrong; so wrong that we should not help make the apparent majority for it a consensus. I ask you privately to get away from all the screaming. Septentrionalis 02:36, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Your nick
Till I read the explanation in your user page, I had thought that your nick stood for some disease ! Tintin 05:12, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Srong-brtsan Sgam-po
I am finding your reverts rather irritating. The article I had first written cites the Tang Annals and the Old Tibetan Chroncile. It is well known among those of us who work on Tibetan history that Srong-brtsan Sgam-po (the second emperor of Tibet) did not marry a Nepalese Princess, and did not introduce Buddhism to Tibet. These stories are first mentioned in the Me-long and the Bka'-bum as I had mentioned in the article. (Incidentally, these are citations, just because you can't read Tibetan doesn't excuse pretending that citations of Tibetan sources are not citations). If you can find an earlier citation for these stories then I will retract my position that they are late medieval fantasies, but I doubt you will. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.2.147.103 (talk • contribs) 16:30, 12 July 2005

--Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 16:49, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Could you always 'sign' your comments (with four tildes: ~ )?
 * 2) Your addition, aside from anything else, used a version of the subject's name that was completely different from the title of the article. I personally think that your version should be the article title, but as it isn't, your text was confusing.
 * 3) Citations of Tibetan sources are useful, but they're not enough here; you need to give citations that allow other editors (and readers) to verify your claims (No original research).

 * None of the information you have used is cited either!!! Also, you apparently have still not looked at the History Article. I have cited studies by Beckwith, Richardson, and Petech. The unfortunate truth is that the Legends about Thunmi and and Bhrkuti have been known to be false more or less since anyone cared to study them.

 * I would also contest that citing things in languages other than English constituts "Original Research". The exact birth year of Srong-rtsan-sgam-po is still controversial and that is why my contributions have included a "circa".

 * I decided a couple weeks ago to remove my account, because I am not planning to contribute much else, so no point in signing my contributions. But I did go once by the name Nathan Hill. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.2.147.103 (talk • contribs) 13:14, 13 July 2005

 * 1) I didn't write the article, so I have no obligations concerning what's there now. I'll be happy to chase up the original authors.
 * 2) I didn't say that citing foreign-language sources constituted original research.
 * 3) Your account is still there for you to use. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 12:57, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Vandel
Hi ive already asked SqueakBox but just in case he is offline can you revert edits to Leeds United. Thanks Agent003

 * Hi, I dont know how to revert! i thought only Admin could. Can you please tell me how? Thanks Agent003

Authentic Matthew - Ril
81.156.177.21 (from May) and more recently Ril have attempted to redirect Authentic Matthew out of existence. However I think this may be part of a greater problem. An edit war or getting mean does not seem to be the answer. We could use some help. --Melissadolbeer 12:06, 13 July 2005 (UTC) PS

Ril is not only mean but he can't write.

Thanks--Melissadolbeer 09:14, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Rather than reverting my edits on sight without actually considering what is going on, it may interest you to read Requests for comment/Melissadolbeer. 21:53, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I didn't revert them on sight; I looked at the edit histories, and made a judgement. I note that I'm not the only person to object to your behaviour (even setting aside your sock-puppet claims which, even if true, don't justify your actions).  I also note that your RfC is so far purely personal, having attracted no other signatories, and with the section on attempts to resolve the dispute tellingly omitted. --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 22:06, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

=)
Thanks for the welcome and the tip. - Christiant 14:42, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Wikimedia sites
Hi, i see thier are lots of Wikimedia sites. Is there anywere were i can suggest another Wiki site? The Vary wikied Agent 003

Zoom edits
Thank you so much for your edits to my submission to the "ZOOM" children's show page. I'm afraid I ran into some difficulties maintaining proper tense explaining the show's current state, while allowing it to continue to make sense after completion of broadcast.

Keep up the good work!

-Scott Garrett

 * My pleasure; it's always easier to do these things when someone else has already done the hard work. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 21:32, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for cleaning up Bessie. It looks much better now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sean Black (talk • contribs) 18:50, 13 July 2005

 * As for the previous comment, my pleasure... --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 21:59, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Hrrm
And I thought you were Peter J. King.

Back to the drawing board. Stirling Newberry 22:04, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Nikah Mut'ah
Could you please read the talk page?

Thanks!

Peace! --Striver 23:37, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Peter King
References to Prof. King's work on a page I editted that you had added indictated that you and he aren't the same person. It was my working theory that you were - though I have to admit I hadn't investigated it very much. Stirling Newberry 23:31, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

A quick question
I'm asking you this because we've run into each other copy-editing a few articles recently. When an article appears on the 'articles needing copy editing' page and has 'temp' in the title (for instance, Genghis Khan/temp is currently on it), what does the temp mean? Should that be copy-edited instead of the non-temp version? - Christiant 23:47, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I should have looked at the original page's discussion before asking; I've done that now and answered my own question. - Christiant 01:51, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Help us for Ril is way out of our league.
If Wiki-Admin do not step in agreat injustice will take place. I am not a sockpuppet QUESTION

Why was the following deleted:

WIKIPEDIA ABUSE Ril, 81.156.177.21 etc.etc.

Our "Angels" have been observing Ril, 81.156.177.21, Cheesedreames, Fishsupper, Lir, Doc. etc. for some time. His rude style and poor writing give him away. He has abused many articles been blocked many times but keeps reinventing himself.

RIL et al - M.O.

1) Sock Puppet redirects and hopes nobody notices - Article Gone.

2) SP starts edit war-victim gives up - Article Gone.

3) Later new SP 'merges' and redirects - Article Gone

4) New SP starts edit war - Article Gone

5) If all fails, SP puts up Vfd and makes false statements against his victim often getting THE VICTIM BLOCKED.

PLEASE STUDY THE 'EDIT HISTORY' OF THIS ARTICLE, RIL and 81.156.177.21 for the facts speak for themselves.

and

WARNING: This article is being watched due to sock puppet and other abuses by Ril, 81.156.177.21 etc---Watcher1- 00:16, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Having just looked at the edit history, this is more important then the article itself.Indeed the edit history clears mellisa from what Ril has said. I would ask for a full WIKI INVESTIGATION INTO RIL AND 81.156.177.21.

--Poorman 07:06, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

More Ril Abuse
Don't edit whole page to distort truth. I am not a sock puppet but a new wikipedia user. What you are doing is wrong...scary. I need help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Poorman (talk • contribs) 09:53, 14 July 2005

 * This seems to be directed against . --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 10:27, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

GTA Trilogy
Hi again, can you please help me by redirecting Grand Theft Auto (series) to Grand Theft Auto Trilogy?

Thanks Agent003

 * I'm opposing this move, please see Talk:Grand Theft Auto Trilogy for rationale. GarrettTalk 10:05, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

 * No need to Redirect now as problem has been solved. Thanks anyway Agent003

Transitive disambiguation
Hi,

I noticed that you'd reverted a change I made to the transitive page, where I had added a reference to Transitive Corporation. While I understand your reasons for removing the entry, I'm not sure I agree with them, so I just wanted to discuss the issue.

You mentioned that the link is currently in red, as there is currently no article for Transitive Corporation. However, there are existing references to the company on the wikipedia, for example on the QuickTransit page, so presumably at least someone deems the company worthy of an entry in Wikipedia. If the company is worthy of an entry (and some additional discussion on the Rosetta (software) page it seems reasonable that someone might search Wikipedia for the company, most likely using the more common shortened name Transitive. It seems therefore that this disambiguation page should link to the Transitive Corporation entry.

I agree that it's of limited use while there is no article for the company, but as I state on my own user page I am an employee of the company and it would therefore be inappropriate for me to create the article myself. What do you think?

Cheers, Batneil 10:51, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Flame War
Mel, the flamewar between Mr.Bryant and his "friends" has blown up again. They are both vandalising each others entries and talk pages. I think the entries for Derek Duggan, rec.sport.pro-wrestling, and Starrcade should be locked for a few days until they all settle down.

TruthCrusader

 * You're a liar, Stephen. I haven't vandalized anything. All I have done is correct that which is incorrect, and remove unwanted and harassing comments from my talk page. It would do you good to actually have a clue before you come tattling to Mel like he's a teacher on a playground. Chadbryant 20:10, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

This is so wrong
This is so wrong; I feel as though I have been violated by Wikipedia.To have Ril and his bullies succeed makes me feel sick.--Melissadolbeer 11:38, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

one more
Hi, could you add Elliott Abrams to your watchlist? Thanks -- Viajero | Talk 12:21, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Democrazy
Hi Mel,

Apparently, the Michael Legge/Lorna Nogueira movie, Democrazy was voted to be deleted before it was released back in October 2004 by a handful of people. I was unaware of this when I created the article about the film at the end of December 2004 which was quickly changed to a record album.

How can this be resolved now? The movie which I have nothing what-so-ever to do with apart from being a fan, has now been nominated for and even won an award. It is nationally distributed and yet because of a vote for deletion which listed that it was non-notable before it was even released or won an award the film can never be listed?

Whenever someone makes a comment about preserving the current article they seem to be labeled as a sockpuppet as if they are all one person and that only the creator of the film wants it listed as advertising which is just so unfair. The actions of Xezbeth, R.fiend and Calton could very easily be labeled as one giant sockpuppet too?

Anyway, my question is what happens when an article that was voted to be erased because the thing was judged non-notable becomes notable? Can it never be includedin Wikipedia because 5 or 6 people voted in Oct 2004 before the film was released that it was non-notable? Just wondering what I might be able to do. Plank 12:46, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Revisiting something that has already had a past VfD is always a tricky issue. There are some who keep reopening such things (both ones decided to keep and ones decided to delete) by restarting VfDs on kept articles over and over, or recreating deleted ones, and this produces a backlash from people who don't like endless edit wars; some feel that something akin to the "double jeopardy" provision of the U.S. Constitution should apply and prevent repeated "trials" of the same article. On the other hand, circumstances do change, so the result of one vote once shouldn't always be binding for all time.  In this case, it does seem like the film in question has increased its notability since originally deleted, though whether it's now notable enough for inclusion here is still an open question.  If the album of that name is also notable (also an open question), it should have a disambig link on the page if it settles down to being about the movie, and vice versa if the page is about the album, if both are suitable for mention here.  It probably deserves a new vote to decide. *Dan*

 * I think that an article about a film that didn't yet exist was bound to be deleted; to count that as a vote against an article on the film after it has been released (and won an award) would be wrong. Incidentally, the album page  under Democrazy was a stubby duplicate of a fuller article at Democrazy (album), so I've turned it into a disambiguation page. --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 13:43, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Thank you Mel, for helping out and so quickly too!! Plank 14:00, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Category/Stub placement
I noticed on this article (really, I have no idea how I ended up there...probably RC patrol) you swapped the order of the stub and the categories. One of the changes I had made was to swap them the order they were, because that is the order I've always seen. Stub is the next to the last thing and all the categories are last (excepting the interwiki links). I'd like to know if I've been doing it wrong all this time. I looked at the WP:MoS but didn't see it obviously addressed there. TIA. Wikibofh 15:46, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

User Chadbryant
Hi. A couple of days ago, you asked Chadbryant to not attack other users in the editing comments, as per Wikipedia policy. However, he is continuing to do so through the edits he makes to his talk page. I suggest you go take a look, and please remind him to not do so again. This is very frustrating; he has a history of going against authority, and you are apparantly no exception. Setting aside for the moment that he thinks I am someone that I am not, the fact still remains that he is in violation of Wikipedia policy and should be notified of the fact. I don't think he's going to CARE, but still, it should be done. Thanks! --Archived Chad 17:03, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I put a comment on Mr. Bryant's talk page reminding him that you have requested he not engage in personal attacks through editing, and yet he has done so once again. He continues to delete the remarks I leave, claim I am this "Dink" person he has some sort of paranoid vendetta against, and now is calling the whole thing "Dink nonsense".  I suggest you remind him that attacking other users via editing comments and removing their remarks because you have some sort of warped view of who they may or may not be is not "nonsense".  --Archived Chad 20:37, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Having seen what you've written on Talk pages, and taking into account your user name, I'm unprepared to give your views any credence. So far you've only engaged in personal attacks and abuse (and made no useful contributions to Wikiepdia at all); if you do anything more (or if you continue in the same vein), or if you touch another editor's User page without permission, I'll have confirmation that you're another in a tediously long line of accounts opened simply to attack User:Chadbryant, and permanently block you from editing.  I hope that that's clear. --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 20:58, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

punctuation write up
Just a quick question about one of your recent edits... For the article Romance & Cigarettes, you changed the & to & and the dashes were changed to a different notation as well. My question is simply, why? I don't see the difference. Thanks, Dismas 22:50, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Vandel on Bolton Wanderers
Hi, ive got a Vandal on Bolton Wanderers! I will warn him if i have to fix his vandalism again. Can i ask you to take action if he still persists? Agent003

Talk:Natalie Wood
YOU STATED: "Ted Wilkes' behaviour, however, has been as bad (actually, consiiderably worse) than that of the anon., in that he's been just as inflexible, but far more aggressive. The reasons that he's given for his deletions of the anon's edits have had nothing to do with Wikipedia policy and normal usage, and have sometimes been flatly against it."

Please take note that No personal attacks is not acceptable and inexcusable even on the legal grounds of diminished capacity. The ANON has deliberately inserted fraudlently doctored text repeatedly. Now, beyond the several hundred quality articles I have created, exactly what is it that I have done that "has been as bad (actually, consiiderably worse) than that of the anon." If correcting fabricated insertions by people who come here with an agenda and who are willing to repeatedly falsify information, then I'm guilty of being inflexible. But, your support of the ANON's fraudent actions, as you have done, makes you equally as guilty as the ANON saboteur. Ted Wilkes 23:37, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

 * There is one important point I would like to make. I am not sure how many different users were actually discussing my contributions on the Talk:Natalie Wood page, as, to my mind, user Ted Wilkes seems to have several different Wikipedia accounts. See also User:NightCrawler and what has been said about user Elliot on the User:Elliot page: "Isn't it amazing how much Elliot's contributions mirror DW's and Ron Davis's. Same refusal to answer questions. Same insistence that he is always right. Same vicious rudeness to anyone who dares to question his judgment. Maybe we could call them the Blessed Trinity, or maybe 'The Popes', given they seem to believe in their own infallibility."

Ayyavazhi
You had redirected Vaikunda Avatharam to Ayya Vaikundar. I am here to suggest that though the two titles seems alike they were extremely different. While the topic Ayya Vaikundar tells the Incarnation of Vaikundar which follows the the life of Muthukutty, the title Vaikunda Avatharam narrates in a mythical way following the life of Sampooranathevan. According to Akilattirattu Sampooranathevan was one among the Devas, who takes birth in this world. Mind you Sampooranathevan was a mythical figure while Muthukutty was an ordinary man in the society who was also noted in the history. Also the name Muthukutty was not even mentioned once in Akilattirattu. So in brief the title Ayya Vaikundar views the incarnation in a historical point while the title Vaikunda Avatharam views it from a mythical point. So better the title not to redirect. If you still want to do please send me messages before and place the reason. - Vaikunda Raja

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Dong Phaya Yen Mountains

Dong Phaya Yen or Dong Phya Yen (ทิวเขาดงพญาเย็น,, lit. "jungle of the cold lord") is a mountain range in Phetchabun, Chaiyaphum, Lopburi, Saraburi, and Nakhon Ratchasima Provinces, Thailand.

As the Dong Phaya Yen is less compact and lower in height than the mountain ranges to the north and to the south, the first roads and railroads connecting the region of Isan with the capital Bangkok were built across these mountains. Before the construction of the railroad at the beginning of the 20th century, communication between these two parts of Thailand was difficult. The survey for the building of the Northeastern Line of the State Railway of Thailand began in 1887.

Geography
The Dong Phaya Yen Mountains consist mainly of a range of scattered medium-height hills stretching southwards of the Phetchabun Mountains in an arch until reaching the northern side of the Sankamphaeng Range. The mountain chain has a length of about 170 km and reaches a maximum elevation of 1,167 m at Phu Khing at the northern end. Other peaks are 900 m high Khao Phang Yai, 767 m high Khao Kheuan Lan, 782 m high Khao Cham Dot, 718 m high Khao Chalong Tong, 745 m high Khao Chan Luang, 722 m high Khao Lom, 722 m high Khao Sawong, 721 m high Khao Wong Chan Daeng, 689 m high Khao Phrik, 695 m high Khao Somphot, 657 m high Khao Kradon, 676 m high Khao Inthaya, 683 m high Khao Mot Ngam, 655 m high Khao Plai Khlong Kum, and 575 m high Khao Sadao.

The northern limit of the Phetchabun massif is not clearly defined, roughly beginning south of the 16th parallel north where the ranges forming the Phetchabun system become a group of scattered mountains of lesser height, rarely surpassing 800 m, extending southwards. The eastern mountain chain of the Phetchabun Range is mentioned as the "Phang Hoei Range" in some geographical works, a name that encompasses the whole northern section of the Dong Phaya Yen mountain system, for Khao Phang Hoei is a 1,008 m high summit west of Chaiyaphum town, beyond the southern end of the Phetchabun Range proper in the northern half of the Dong Phaya Yen.

The Dong Phaya Yen range divides the Chao Phraya river valley of central Thailand and the Khorat Plateau of the northeast. The mountains are drained to the east by several tributaries to the Chi and the Mun and to the west by tributaries of the Pa Sak River.

History
This whole mountainous region was covered by thick forest and was formerly known as Dong Phaya Fai or "jungle of the fire lord". There were no roads, hence it was not possible to use a cart. Travel across the forest had to be on foot or using palanquins. The whole area was reputed to be unhealthy and travelers who dared to pass through the woods exposed themselves to malaria and other illnesses. By the mid-19th century, when the clearing of the area began, Vice King (Uparaja) Pinklao changed the name of the forest from Dong Phaya Fai to Dong Phaya Yen to imply that "the wild forest had been tamed".

By 1887 the Siamese government decided to build a railway line from Bangkok to Korat through Ayutthaya and commissioned British Railway contractors to make a survey. The first section of what is now the Northeastern Line, the railway line to Korat across the mountains opened in 1900. Much of the original forest cover of the mountains was destroyed since the beginning of 20th century. Following the completion of the line settlements were built in the area and trees were cut and land converted to agricultural use.

Until quite recently only the railroad from Bangkok to Nakhon Ratchasima and one highway crossed the system. Deforestation increased as the building of more roads connecting central Thailand and Isan began in earnest. Thailand Route 2, also known as "Mittraphap Road", the main road crossing the range between Saraburi and Nakhon Ratchasima, was built in 1950.

Protected areas
These mountains, together with the Sankamphaeng Range at their southern limit, form the Dong Phayayen-Khao Yai Forest Complex, which includes several national parks. This area was inscribed on the UNESCO World Heritage List in 2005. Altogether 6,155 km2 are protected in the complex. In mid-2016 UNESCO briefly considered placing the Dong Phayayen-Khao Yai Forest on a list of endangered World Heritage sites because Thailand had not done enough to stop illegal logging of phayung (Siamese rosewood) trees.

Other protected areas in the Dong Phaya Yen mountains are:
 * Pa Hin Ngam National Park
 * Sai Thong National Park
 * Phu Khiao Wildlife Sanctuary
 * Tat Ton National Park
 * Nam Phong National Park
 * Phu Lan Ka National Park,
 * Sap Langka Wildlife Sanctuary
 * Khao Somphot Non-hunting Area.

title: Dong Phaya Yen Mountains


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Islands of automation

Islands of automation was a popular term used largely during the 1980s to describe how rapidly developing automation systems were at first unable to communicate easily with each other. Industrial communication protocols, network technologies, and system integration helped to improve this situation. Just a few of the many examples of helping technologies are Modbus, Fieldbus, Ethernet, etc.

It is more recently used by automation specialists to describe a discrete and fully enclosed automated system applied in a largely manual environment.

In today's interconnected world it is uncommon for automated systems to be fully stand alone. Therefore, the old usage is defunct and the new usage is more appropriate for companies that wish to automate in a limited fashion.

title: Islands of automation


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Changed "broad gauge" to "Irish standard gauge".

Acquisition by the Joint Committee (although already mentioned in the intro) probably worth mentioning again in its due place in the history section, to make the "timeline" clearer? -- Picapica 12:01, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

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Map?
A map would be very helpful. Cooke (talk) 08:57, 28 September 2019 (UTC)