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Sean Salisbury

Richard Sean Salisbury (born March 9, 1963) is an American football analyst and former player who is the host of The Sean Salisbury Show on KBME, Sportstalk 790, an iHeartRadio station in Houston, Texas. He played professionally as a quarterback in the National Football League (NFL) and Canadian Football League (CFL). He played college football for the USC Trojans.

Early life
Salisbury was born in Long Beach, California. He attended Orange Glen High School in Escondido, California. During his senior year at Orange Glen, he was a highly recruited quarterback, choosing USC over UCLA, BYU, Stanford, Notre Dame, Cal, Arizona, Arizona State and Sul Ross State University.

Salisbury averaged 26.5 points per game his senior year and was a high school All-American basketball player. UCLA and USC both offered Salisbury basketball scholarships. Salisbury has three children, Dylan, Dodge, and Shea.

College
Salisbury became USC's starting quarterback midway through the 1982 season, which they ended with a record of 8–3; NCAA sanctions prevented them from playing in a bowl game. In 1983 the Trojans, still under sanctions, fell to a record of 4–6–1, their first losing season in 22 years. Salisbury suffered a season-ending injury early in the 1984 season, but was on the team as USC won the Rose Bowl over Ohio State. In his 1985 senior year, Salisbury was the main quarterback through a 6–5 campaign, but lost the starting job to Rodney Peete before they fell to Alabama in the Aloha Bowl. Salisbury finished his USC career as the school's all-time leader in pass completions (346) and yards gained (4,481), breaking marks previously held by Paul McDonald; both records were later broken by Peete. Salisbury was also second in pass attempts (602) and fourth in touchdowns (25). He also ranked fourth in USC history in total offense (4,127 yards), trailing Charles White, Marcus Allen and Jimmy Jones.

Professional career
During his ten-year career, Salisbury was a member of the Seattle Seahawks, Indianapolis Colts, Minnesota Vikings, Houston Oilers, and San Diego Chargers, as well as the Winnipeg Blue Bombers of the Canadian Football League. In 1988, Salisbury led the Winnipeg Blue Bombers to a Grey Cup championship over Matt Dunigan and the BC Lions.

Broadcaster
After getting his start on the Comedy Central show BattleBots, Salisbury went on to become an NFL analyst on ESPN, appearing on SportsCenter and NFL Live.

In 2004, Salisbury was offered a job with the Arizona Cardinals by his former coach and fellow co-worker at ESPN, Dennis Green, to become their new quarterbacks coach. Salisbury pondered for weeks, but eventually declined and stayed on with ESPN.

Salisbury was hired as a consultant for the 2005 remake of The Longest Yard. On the set, Salisbury taught Adam Sandler proper quarterback mechanics, cadences, and footwork. Sandler later offered Salisbury a role in the 2006 film he produced, The Benchwarmers.

On May 9, 2006, Salisbury began broadcasting on ESPN Radio 1000, Chicago with Steve Rosenbloom. He also did guest spots on the ESPN Classic comedy program Cheap Seats, where he provided his signature breakdowns of the action in a more comedic manner. He has covered for Mike Golic on Mike and Mike in the Morning.

In 2007, Salisbury's No. 12 football jersey was retired at his alma mater, Orange Glen High School, an honor no other person in school history has ever received. "I can't believe I'm having my number retired like John Elway, Marcus Allen, Larry Bird or Magic Johnson," Salisbury said. "In my own little world, I will always cherish being the first at my high school to be honored like this."

After ESPN, Salisbury worked briefly for OPENSports.com and KRLD-FM 105.3 The Fan, the CBS Radio affiliate in Dallas. On September 25, 2009, Salisbury provided the color commentary for the Lingerie Football League (LFL) presentation of Friday Night Football.

In 2008, Salisbury left ESPN. In 2010, he admitted to USA Today that while he had been at ESPN, he had been suspended for showing a picture of his penis to at least one coworker. He previously had denied that he had done so, but he later admitted that he had done so. "I was ashamed, and I didn’t want to say anything,” Salisbury told USA Today. “I thought it would go away and let my ego get in the way. Since then, I’ve beat myself up about it more than 10 baseball bats could. A stupid mistake can cost you, and this has really cost me. I should have been having this conversation a long time ago."

On October 20, 2010, it was announced Salisbury would host a pilot for a sports comedy talk show called Inside Sports: News You Can Almost Trust. The show aired on Versus in January. Producer Mark McClure called the show "ESPN meets Comedy Central's Daily Show with some SNL skits, too. Sean will be our Jon Stewart." After the pilot aired the show was retooled as a more serious Inside Sports Unleashed, which began taping on May 12, 2011.

On September 9, 2013, Salisbury became part of the Yahoo! Sports Radio network lineup as co-host of "The War Room" with John Granato airing from 3:00 pm to 7:00 pm ET daily. The program remained when Yahoo! Sports Radio was renamed SB Nation Radio in 2016.

He became the host of The Sean Salisbury Show on beIN Sports on April 17, 2017.

In June 2018, he left BeIn Sports and SB Nation Radio to become the afternoon-drive host at Houston radio station KBME Sportstalk 790. On March 25, 2019, KBME moved him to morning drive, replacing Josh Innes.

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User talk:Polo2020

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cathe Jones

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The result of the debate was delete. – ABCD✉ 00:14, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Cathe Jones
Clearly a multi-talented person, but no evidence that she's notable at any of the things described. Strictly local work as a stand-up comedian, and no published books. CDC  (talk)  22:34, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn vanity. -- Etacar11   00:02, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nnanity, getting only 20 useful Google hits, with Wiki and mirrors filtered out. -Splash 01:29, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Autobiographical article, judging by the history. May become notable when her book gets out. But not yet notable. Reluctant delete. — RJH 19:29, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

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False potato beetle

The false potato beetle (Leptinotarsa juncta) is a beetle found primarily in the Mid-Atlantic and Southeastern United States. Its distribution extends to Maine.

Adult beetles emerge from the soil in the late spring or early summer and begin breeding, and a population may go through one to three generations in a summer.

The false potato beetle feeds on solanaceous weeds such as horsenettle, Solanum carolinense. It also feeds on other solanaceous plants, such as species of ground cherry or husk tomato, Physalis spp., and bittersweet, Solanum dulcamara, but no growth and reproduction occurs when feeding on the potato, Solanum tuberosum.

L. juncta can be easily confused with its congener the Colorado potato beetle, Leptinotarsa decemlineata. While the adult false potato beetle has alternating black and white strips on its back, like the Colorado potato beetle, one of the white strips in the center of each wing cover is missing and replaced by a light brown strip. The eggs are slightly larger and fewer are found in a cluster. The hump-backed larva is similar, but with only one row of dark spots on each side. The two species are apparently incapable of crossbreeding. Of the two, only the Colorado potato beetle is a serious pest.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Superhobo

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The result of the debate was delete. – ABCD✉ 00:14, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Superhobo
Marked for speedy but isn't a candidate. Reason given was "huh?". Hoax.  — Gwalla | Talk 22:38, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete This is borderline nonsense --malathion talk 23:11, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Nonsense. Flowerparty talk 23:54, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as per Flowerparty. …Markaci 2005-07-25 T 23:56:37 Z
 * Delete second that "huh?" Nonsense. --  Etacar11   00:08, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, nonsense. —PrologFan {Talk} 01:27, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, possible hoax, possible attack on "Setanta McKenna" whoever that is, and nn if about that person coz their names scores zero on Google. -Splash 01:31, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Hoax. Author and his friend Freeq have done nothing but added nonsense to Wikipedia. jni 09:17, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete hoax. JamesBurns 08:31, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

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Passage Meditation

Passage Meditation is a book by Eknath Easwaran, originally published in 1978 with the title Meditation. The book describes a meditation program, also now commonly referred to as Passage Meditation. Easwaran developed this method of meditation in the 1960s, and first taught it systematically at the University of California, Berkeley.

The program is an eight-point program intended for the "spiritual growth" of the practitioner. The first step in the program involves meditating on a text passage, and since the 1990s the method as a whole has come to be known as "Passage Meditation" (not Easwaran's term). The book has been frequently reprinted and translated into 14 languages. It is reported that more than 200,000 copies were sold in the period of 1978 to 2001.

The first edition of the book had the full title Meditation; commonsense directions for an uncommon life (1978). A second edition in 1991 was subtitled a simple eight-point program for translating spiritual ideals into daily life, and a third, revised edition of the book was published posthumously as Passage Meditation; Bringing the Deep Wisdom of the Heart Into Daily Life (2008).

A fourth, revised edition was published as Passage Meditation – A Complete Spiritual Practice: Train Your Mind and Find a Life that Fulfills (2016). The fourth edition included a new part, not contained in earlier editions, with approximately 80 pages of "Questions and Answers" to numerous questions about meditation (pp. 182–264).

Topics covered
All editions of Passage Meditation contain a chapter dedicated to each of the eight practices or "points" of Easwaran's method of meditation. Each edition also contains a preface by the author in which he explains how he discovered the passage meditation method.

Method
Meditating on a passage is the first point in Easwaran's eight point program of Passage Meditation, and he recommends practicing it for 30 minutes each day on first rising. The other seven points are to be woven in at various times throughout the day or week. Each of the book's eight main chapters are dedicated to explaining one of the eight points:

 * 1) Meditation on a passage
 * 2) Repetition of a mantram (mantra, or prayer word)
 * 3) Slowing down
 * 4) One-pointed attention
 * 5) Training the senses
 * 6) Putting others first
 * 7) Spiritual fellowship
 * 8) Spiritual reading

Meditation on a passage involves silent, focused repetition during meditation of memorized selections from scriptures of the world and writings of great mystics. According to Easwaran, the practice of meditating on a specific passage of text (Easwaran suggests the Prayer of Saint Francis or Psalm 23 as examples ) has the effect of eventually transforming "character, conduct, and consciousness." The term passage is chosen to describe a spiritually-inspired text that one meditates on, during an extended period of time set aside for meditation, as compared to a mantram (or mantra). Easwaran collected an anthology of selections from the world's spiritual texts, God Makes the Rivers to Flow, for use in meditation.

Repetition of a mantram. Easwaran describes a mantram as a short, powerful spiritual formula which can be repeated, at any time during the day or night, to call up the best and deepest in ourselves, and help to slow down, to become more one-pointed, and to put others first.

Slowing Down is an important spiritual discipline. Living faster and faster gives no time for inner reflection or sensitivity to others, making our lives tense, insecure, inefficient, and superficial. Slowing down helps achieve freedom of action, good relations with others, health and vitality, calmness of mind, and the ability to grow.

One-pointed attention helps to unify consciousness and deepen concentration. Training the mind to give full attention to one thing at a time, whether it is in science or the arts or sports or a profession, is a basic requirement for achieving a goal.

Training the senses means freeing the mind from the tyranny of likes and dislikes so as to "live in freedom", "live intentionally"

Putting others first. Dwelling on ourselves builds a wall between ourselves and others. Those who keep thinking about their needs, their wants, their plans, their ideas, cannot help becoming lonely and insecure. As human beings, it is our nature to be part of a whole, to live in a context where personal relationships are supportive and close.

Spiritual Fellowship with people whose companionship is elevating, and working together for a selfless goal without expecting any reward or recognition, augment and enhance the individual's capacities.

Easwaran says that the eight points, though they may at first seem unrelated, are closely linked. "Quieting your mind in morning meditation, for instance, will help your efforts to slow down at work, and slowing down at work will, in turn, improve your meditation ... Unless you practice all of them, you cannot progress safely and far".

Passage Meditation does not require adherence to any particular religion or belief.

Questions and Answers
The fourth edition (published in 2016) also contains about 80 pages dedicated to answering numerous questions about how to practice the program.

Influence, research, use
Workers in professional fields, as well as writers of popular books, have cited or been influenced by the passage meditation program. Sometimes, the passage meditation program has been included among resources for complementary and alternative medicine.

Several empirical research studies have examined the effects on health professionals and college undergraduates from receiving training in the Passage Meditation (PM) program. Peer-reviewed research, published in professional psychology and health journals, has shown that following the passage meditation program reduces stress and increases confidence in tasks such as caregiving

These studies mostly used randomized methods. Like much recent research on meditation (e.g., on mindfulness meditation), research studies on Passage Meditation have neither postulated nor claimed to infer the operation of supernatural or other non-natural, non-psychological processes. Research on Passage Meditation through early 2007 was reviewed in chapter 6 of Spirit, science and health: How the spiritual mind fuels physical wellness.

In Neurology Now, published by the American Academy of Neurology, the article "Meditation as Medicine" states that various well-designed studies show that meditation can increase attention span, sharpen focus, improve memory, and dull the perception of pain, and lists Passage Meditation as a common meditation method.

Passage Meditation has sometimes been integrated into college curricula.

Editions
In 2001, Publishers Weekly reported that the book Meditation (later republished in as Passage Meditation) had "sold more than 200,000 copies since its 1978 debut." English editions have been published in the US, the UK, and India. Non-English translations of the book have been published in Bulgarian, Chinese, Czech, Dutch, French, German,   Hungarian,  Korean,Eknath Easwaran (2003). 명상 의 기술 (Meditation) (Kim Sŏng-gyun, trans.). 강, Sŏul-si, Korea: Kang, 2003. ISBN 978-89-8218-059-0, (270 pages)  Lithuanian,Eknath Easwaran (1999). Meditacija (Meditation) (Arvydas Pliučas, trans.). Vilnius, Lithuania: Alma littera. ISBN 978-9986-02-775-1 (236 pages) Portuguese,Eknath Easwaran (2019). Meditação – Um programa de oito pontos para transformar a vida (Meditation - An eight-point life-changing program) (Isabel Haber, trans.). Lisboa, Portugal: Centro Lusitano de Unificação Cultural. ISBN 978-972-9463-80-8 (310 pages) Romanian,Eknath Easwaran (2008). Opt paşi spre infinit (Eight Steps to Infinity)(Antoaneta Goţea, trans.). Braşov, Romania: Editura Kamala. ISBN 978-973-1837-10-9 (185 pages) Russian,Eknath Easwaran (1991). [медитация (Meditation)]. Moskva [Moscow], Russia: ZAO Skorpion. Slovenian, Spanish,Eknath Easwaran (1995). Meditación: ocho puntos para transformar la vida (Meditation: eight points for transforming life) (Juan Andrés Iglesias, trans.). Barcelona, Spain: Herder. ISBN 978-84-254-1883-9, (259 pages) Eknath Easwaran (1999). Meditación (Meditation) (María Emilia Negri Beltrán, trans.). Buenos Aires, Argentina: Atlantida. ISBN 978-950-08-2117-9, (262 pages) and Telugu, The four US editions are:

 * Eknath Easwaran, Meditation: commonsense directions for an uncommon life, Nilgiri Press (1978), ISBN 978-0-915132-15-7, (237 pages).
 * reprinted in 1980, 1984, 1989 by Nilgiri Press, ISBN 978-0-915132-16-4.
 * Eknath Easwaran, Meditation: a simple eight-point program for translating spiritual ideals into daily life, Nilgiri Press (2nd ed. 1991), ISBN 978-0-915132-66-9, (251 pages).
 * Eknath Easwaran, Passage Meditation: Bringing the deep wisdom of the heart into daily life, Nilgiri Press (3rd revised ed. 2008), ISBN 978-1-58638-026-7, (233 pages).
 * (270 pages). e-book ISBN 978-1-58638-117-2, Audiobook

English-language editions have been published in the United Kingdom by Taylor & Francis (1979, ISBN 978-0-7100-0344-7,, 237 pages) and in India by Penguin (1996, ISBN 978-0-14-019036-6, , 237 pages), and Jaico (2008, ISBN 978-81-7992-813-4, , 251 pages).

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Alex Wood (politician)

Alex Wood (born 1950, Dundee) is a former Labour leader of Edinburgh City Council in Scotland.

Biography
He was educated at Paisley Grammar School, the New University of Ulster, Moray House College of Education, the University of Edinburgh, the University of Stirling and the University of Strathclyde.

He was a member of the Labour Party from 1969 until 1987. He was a member of the National Committee of the Labour Party Young Socialists from 1973 to 1975. In the early 1970s Wood was a leading figure in the entryist Militant tendency in Scotland who left that party after it decided to support the creation of a devolved Scottish Assembly. Subsequently, he became a trenchant critic of Militant.

He subsequently became a leading figure in the Labour Co-ordinating Committee in Scotland and wrote its pamphlet on Labour and Ireland. He was Labour Parliamentary candidate for Dumfries in 1979, and for West Edinburgh in 1983 (having been elected to Edinburgh District Council in 1980 and having become leader of the Edinburgh District Council Labour Group in 1982) and in May 1984 became leader of the first ever majority Labour administration in the city.

Members of the Labour group of councillors felt however that his politics were further left than theirs and in May 1986 voted they had no confidence in his leadership. He was replaced as council leader with Mark Lazarowicz.

Subsequently, Wood resigned his council seat, left Labour and joined the 1988 version of the Scottish Socialist Party.

Shortly after the demise of the SSP, Wood joined the Scottish National Party.

A teacher by profession, he retired as headteacher of Wester Hailes Education Centre in Edinburgh in August 2011. He had also been seconded (2008–09) as Headteacher to Tynecastle High School. He writes on educational issues in The Herald, and writes regular columns on educational matters in SecEd, Holyrood Magazine, the Times Educational Supplement Scotland and contributes to the Scottish Review, Lothian Life and the Caledonian Mercury.

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Shlomo Lahat

Shlomo "Chich" Lahat (שלמה להט; November 9, 1927 – October 1, 2014) was a major general in the Israel Defense Forces and former Head of the Manpower Directorate. He served as the eighth mayor of Tel Aviv in 1974–1993, for four consecutive terms. After election on the Likud ticket in 1974, he was re-elected in 1978, 1983 and 1989. He coined the slogan about Tel Aviv being "the city that never stops."

Biography
Shlomo Lindner (later Lahat) was born in Germany. He immigrated to Mandatory Palestine with his family in 1933 after the Nazis came to power. The family settled in Rehovot. Lahat's nickname “Cheech” dates back to when he played tug-of-war with this friends at the age of eight. “I would yell ‘zieh’ – ‘Pull’ (in German) – to my friends, and they made it into ‘Cheech,’ and it stuck with me to this day," he later recalled. Lahat was a member of Hashomer Hatzair youth movement and attended Gymnasia Herzliya high school in Tel Aviv.

Lahat was married to Ziva, former director of the Humanities Library at Tel Aviv University. They had two children, Dan and Avner. He is also survived by his eight grandchildren including, Roan, Noam, Adam, Michaela, Yasmine, Tom, Arielle, and Yehonatan. His son, Dan Lahat, is a Tel Aviv city council member for the Yesh Atid party.

Military and political career
Lahat served in the Haganah and then the Israel Defense Forces. While serving in the IDF, he studied law at Hebrew University of Jerusalem. In 1956, he was the first Israeli officer to study at the U.S. Army Command and General Staff College at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. Upon his return, he became an instructor at the IDF Command and Staff School. In 1959, he headed the Operations Branch of the General Staff Operations Department, transferring to the Armor Corps in 1962. In the Six-Day War he was appointed governor of East Jerusalem, and then head of the Central Command Staff with the rank of brigadier general. In 1969 he was appointed commander of the Armored Forces in Sinai. During the War of Attrition he was commander of operations at the Suez Canal. In 1970-1973, he served as chief of the Manpower Directorate.

In February 1974, he became the eighth mayor of Tel Aviv, continuing his tenure until November 1993. He was elected mayor as a member of the Likud.

On September 30, 2014, Lahat was admitted to Ichilov Hospital in critical condition due to a lung infection. He died on the morning of October 1, 2014.

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List of U.S. security clearance terms

This list covers security clearance terms used in the United States of America.

Within the U.S. government, security clearance levels serve as a mechanism to ascertain which individuals are authorized to access sensitive or classified information. These levels often appear in employment postings for Defense related jobs and other jobs involving substantial amounts of responsibility, such as air traffic control or nuclear energy positions.

The different organizations in the United States Federal Government use different terminology and lettering. Security clearances can be issued by many United States of America government agencies.

The checks for clearances and the granting of clearances is carried out by the US Office of Personnel Management.

Use
Security clearance levels often appear in employment postings for Defense related jobs, and other jobs involving substantial amounts of responsibility, such as air traffic control or nuclear energy positions. Employers generally prefer to hire people who are already cleared to access classified information at the level needed for a given job or contract, because security clearances can take up to a year to obtain. In general, most employers look for candidates who hold an active Department of Defense (DoD) collateral clearance or a blanket TS/SCI-cleared (Top Secret / Sensitive Compartmented Information) and who have a counterintelligence (CI), full-scope polygraph (FSP), also known as expanded scope screening (ESS).

Security levels
Security clearances can be issued by many United States of America government agencies, including the Department of Defense (DoD), the Department of State (DOS), the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), the Department of Energy (DoE), the Department of Justice (DoJ), the National Security Agency (NSA), and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). DoD issues more than 80% of all clearances. There are three levels of DoD security clearances:
 * 1) TOP SECRET – Information of which the unauthorized disclosure could reasonably be expected to cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security.
 * 2) SECRET – Information of which the unauthorized disclosure could reasonably be expected to cause serious damage to the national security.
 * 3) CONFIDENTIAL – Information of which the unauthorized disclosure could reasonably be expected to cause damage to the national security.
 * 4) Unacknowledged Special Access Program (USAP): USAP & "Waived USAP" – Made known only to authorized persons, including members of the appropriate committees of the US Congress. Waived USAP is a subset of USAP.
 * 5) Alternative or Compensatory Control Measures (ACCM) – Security measures used to safeguard classified intelligence or operations and support information when normal measures are insufficient to achieve strict need-to-know controls and where SAP controls are not required.

Additionally, the United States Department of Energy issues two levels of security clearances:
 * 1) Q Clearance – Allows access to Classified information up to and including TOP SECRET data with the special designation: Restricted Data (TS//RD) and special Q-Cleared "security" areas.
 * 2) L Clearance – Allows access to Classified information up to and including SECRET data with the special designation: Formerly Restricted Data (S//FRD) and special L-Cleared "limited" areas.

Public trust position
Despite the common misconception, a public trust position is not a security clearance, and is not the same as the confidential designation. Certain positions which require access to sensitive information, but not information which is classified, must obtain this designation through a background check. Public Trust Positions can either be moderate-risk or high-risk.

Classification subsets: Sensitive Compartmented Information and Special Access Programs
Information "above Top Secret," a phrase used by the media, means either Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI) or Special Access Program (SAP). It is not truly "above" Top Secret, since there is no clearance higher than Top Secret. SCI information may be either Secret or Top Secret, but in either case it has additional controls on dissemination beyond those associated with the classification level alone. In order to gain SCI Access, one would need to have a Single Scope Background Investigation (SSBI). Compartments of information are identified by code words. This is one means by which the "need to know" principle is formally and automatically enforced.

In order to have access to material in a particular SCI "compartment", the person must first have the clearance level for the material. The SCI designation is an add-on, not a special clearance level. Someone cleared at the SECRET level for some compartment X cannot see material in compartment X that is classified TOP SECRET. But the opposite is true: a person cleared for TOP SECRET with access to X material can also access SECRET material in compartment X. Compartments have designators which uniquely identify that compartment. These designators may also be classified, even protected under another SCI compartment.

As long as the holder of a clearance is sponsored, the clearance remains active. If the holder loses sponsorship, the holder is eligible for re-employment with the same clearance for up to 24 months without reinvestigation, after which an update investigation is required.

A Periodic Reinvestigation is typically required every five years for Top Secret and ten years for Secret/Confidential, depending upon the agency. Access to a compartment of information lasts only as long as the person's need to have access to a given category of information.

Additional Designations
Unclassified (U) is a valid security description, especially when indicating unclassified information within a document classified at a higher level. For example, the title of a Secret report is often unclassified, and must be marked as such. Material that is classified as Unclassified // For Official Use Only (U//FOUO) is considered between Unclassified and Confidential and may deal with employee data.

For access to information at a given classification level, individuals must have been granted access by the sponsoring government organization at that or a higher classification level, and have a need to know the information. The government also supports access to SCI and SAPs in which access is determined by need-to-know. These accesses require increased investigative requirements before access is granted.

Investigations
The following investigations are used in clearance determinations:

Many other investigative products have been used to grant clearances in the past. While some of them are still used to determine suitability for employment or enlistment, only the above are used to grant clearances.
 * ANACI (Access National Agency Check with Inquiries) – Initial Confidential, Secret, L, LX; only used for civilian employees
 * NACLC (National Agency Check with Law and Credit) – Initial Confidential, Secret, L, LX; reinvestigations
 * MBI – (Moderate Risk Background Investigation) – NACLC plus a Personal Subject Interview (PRSI) and written inquiries to employers, schools, and references for past 5 years.
 * SSBI (Single Scope Background Investigation) – Initial Top Secret, SCI, Q, QX
 * SSBI-PR – SSBI Periodic Reinvestigation
 * PPR – Phased Periodic Reinvestigation
 * PRS – Periodic Reinvestigation-Secret
 * T3 or T3R - Tier 3 or Tier 3 Reinvestigation, now replace all NACLC.
 * T5 and T5R - Tier 5 or Tier 5 Reinvestigation, now replace SSBI and SBPR respectively.
 * Yankee White – An investigation required for personnel working with the President and Vice President of the United States. Obtaining such clearance requires, in part, an SSBI.

Additional investigation or adjudication
Certain accesses require persons to undertake one or more polygraph tests:
 * Counterintelligence Scope (CI, CI Poly)
 * Full Scope / Lifestyle (FSP, FS, LS, Lifestyle Poly)

SCI eligibility
Sensitive compartmented information (SCI) is a type of classified information controlled through formal systems established by the Director of National Intelligence. To access SCI, one must first have a favorable SSBI and be granted SCI eligibility. Because the SSBI is also used to grant collateral top secret eligibility, the two are often granted together and referred to as TS/SCI. Access to individual SCI control systems, compartments, and subcompartments may then be granted by the owner of that information. Note that additional investigation or adjudication may be required.

In general, military personnel and civilian employees (government and contractor) do not publish the individual compartments for which they are cleared. While this information is not classified, specific compartment listings may reveal sensitive information when correlated with an individual's résumé. Therefore, it is sufficient to declare that a candidate possesses a TS/SCI clearance with a polygraph.

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Greg Sacks

Greg Sacks (born November 3, 1952) is an American former stock car racing driver. He is married and has three children. He lives in Ormond Beach, Florida. He and his sons are partners in Grand Touring Vodka.

Sacks has spent most of his career as a research and development (R&D) driver for many NASCAR teams. He won the 1985 Firecracker 400 at Daytona International Speedway acting as an R&D driver for DiGard Motorsports.

Modifieds
Early in his racing career, Sacks was a successful driver in what is now the NASCAR Whelen Modified Tour. Competing from 1980 to 1983, he won 17 races at Stafford Motor Speedway. 1992 was an especially good year for him, as he won the track championship that year, as well as the Spring Sizzler, The Labor Day 200 and the Fall Final. Greg also won the Dogwood Classic at Martinsville Speedway, the Bud Classic at Oswego Speedway, the Thompson 300 at Thompson International Speedway, the World Series of Asphalt at Thompson Speedway and the Race of Champions at Pocono Raceway.

In 1983, he made his NASCAR Winston Cup Series debut in the Pepsi 400 at Daytona in the No. 5 car owned and sponsored by his father, Arnie. He only completed nineteen laps until experiencing engine failure, finishing 38th out of 40 cars. Sacks competed in four more events that season, posting a best finish of 17th in the Champion Spark Plug 400 at Michigan International Speedway, the only race he finished that year.

Success in the 1980s
In 1984, Sacks made a full attempt at the NASCAR Winston Cup Series, once again in a car owned by his father, only now it ran as No. 51. Sacks made 29 out of the 30 races, finished 19th in points and runner-up to Rusty Wallace for the NASCAR Rookie of the Year award. 1985 got off to a rough start for Sacks. After the first four races, his father's team folded.

Seven races later, Sacks was able to drive the No. 49 car owned by 1966 NASCAR Rookie of the Year James Hylton. Before the Firecracker 400, DiGard Motorsports asked Sacks to drive their R&D car. Sacks qualified ninth and defeated pole-sitter Bill Elliott to earn his only NASCAR Winston Cup Series victory. The win was considered to be one of NASCAR's biggest upsets, as Sacks's car was only scheduled to run a set number of laps before going behind the wall to make changes, but his car kept competing for the win, therefore DiGard decided to let Sacks race as normal. After DiGard's regular driver Bobby Allison quit the team days after the race, the team let Sacks finish the season in their regular car. The next year, Sacks found himself running a limited schedule as DiGard slowly went bankrupt.

In 1987, he signed on to drive the No. 50 Pontiac for the Dingman Brothers, where he struggled with qualifying for each race. Three-quarters of the way through 1988, Sacks left the team to drive for Buddy Baker's team, the No. 88 Oldsmobile. He came close to a victory at Bristol in 1989, where he led 119 laps only to lose the lead to Rusty Wallace with 40 laps to go. Although he posted two top ten finishes in the first ten races of the 1989 season, Sacks was replaced by rookie Jimmy Spencer. Sacks was unemployed for a brief period, then joined on with Tom Winkle's No. 48 Pontiac for most of the season, joining with Hendrick Motorsports for the Autoworks 500 at Phoenix International Raceway as part of the driving team gathering in-race footage for the "Days of Thunder" movie.

1990–1997
Sacks started off 1990 in a familiar situation with no ride, driving part-time for Hendrick's development team. He participated in the Busch Clash at Daytona and at Darlington in the TranSouth 500, driving the No. 46 'City Chevrolet' Lumina "Days of Thunder" movie car. Four races later, Sacks was rewarded with a part-time ride at Hendrick, driving the No. 18 Ultra Slim-Fast Chevrolet, finishing second at Talladega Superspeedway in the Winston 500. After Darrell Waltrip was injured in a practice crash at Daytona, Sacks drove the No. 17 car for three races—the Champion Spark Plug 400, Busch 500, and the Heinz Southern 500, with a best finish of second at Michigan during this three-race stretch. The highlight of his season was winning the pole position at the Pepsi Firecracker 400. Following a crash in practice by teammate Waltrip, NASCAR officials noted that several teams had made modifications, and NASCAR made the teams spot-weld the blocks back into place, causing a loss of power. Trying to make up for lost speed, Sacks caused a 23-car pileup at the end of the first lap, taking out eight cars, including Sacks. No one was seriously hurt in that race, but it gave Sacks a reputation of being an excellent qualifier, as shown in 1989, when he won the pole in just his second Busch Series race. Sacks was signed to a three-year deal to drive the #18 for Hendrick and Paul Newman, with backing from Ultra Slim-Fast, but following the season Ultra Slim-Fast pulled out, the team was folded, and Sacks was released.

Sacks started off 1991 at the Daytona 500 driving his own No. 18 car, but crashed early in the race. He ran ten more races that year in the No. 47 Oldsmobile for Derick Close, posting two top-twenty finishes. He started 1992 with Larry Hedrick Motorsports, but suffered injuries in a lap five crash at the Champion Spark Plug 400, and only drove one race for the rest of the season. He moved on to Tri-Star Motorsports in 1993, and finished sixth at the DieHard 500. In 1994, Sacks set the track record at Atlanta when he won the pole. Nineteen-ninety four also marked the second time in his Cup career that he completed the full schedule, piloting the No. 77 Ford owned by D.K. Ulrich. Sacks raced part-time in the Cup and Busch series over the next two years, winning a Busch Series event in a one-race deal for Diamond Ridge Motorsports at Talladega Superspeedway in 1996. The next year, he started out driving the No. 20 Ford for championship owner Harry Ranier, but was soon released as sponsorship funding ended; following his release, he sued the team, claiming breach of contract. Later in the season, he filled in for rookie driver Robby Gordon, who had suffered burns in the Indianapolis 500. After Gordon was released later in the year, Sacks finished the season for the team.

Struggles
In 1998, it looked like Sacks had finally found a steady ride, driving the No. 98 Ford for Cale Yarborough. However, on lap 136 of the Texas 500 at Texas Motor Speedway, Sacks lost control of his car and wrecked, suffering life-threatening injuries. He missed the rest of the season.

Sacks made his return in 1999 in the Busch Series, but only qualified for one of the several races he attempted. Sacks tried his hand at Winston Cup again in 2000, attempting that year's Daytona 500 in the No. 96 Chevrolet. He did not make the field. After making sporadic races in modifieds, Sacks announced his return to the Winston Cup Series and Busch Series in the summer of 2002, driving the No. 05 Chevy. Sacks teamed with Loren Fossie to form "Team Franchisit/Sacks Racing". Originally set to debut at the Brickyard 400, the date was pushed to the fall race at Charlotte Motor Speedway. Nothing was ever heard from the team since, and it is not clear if the team was originally planned as a marketing tool for Franchisit.

In 2004, Sacks formed Daytona Speed Inc., with Ed Raabe and James Wilsberg. Making its first attempt at Chicagoland Speedway, the team did not make a race until the Pennsylvania 500 the next month. In February 2005, Raabe departed to form his own race team (Chevrolet), leaving all of the (Dodge) Daytona Speed equipment in the care of Sacks. Sacks ran both Pocono races in 2005, and finished 43rd in both of them.

The team attempted a part-time schedule in 2006, but failed to make the field for any race. In early 2007, an arbitrator forced his sponsor Who's Your Daddy? to pay over a million dollars to Sacks after a contract violation.

2008
Sacks was to attempt a partial schedule in the ARCA/ReMAX series in 2008. He tried to qualify for the ARCA race at Daytona but missed the field after posting the 48th best qualifying time.

2010
Sacks drove the No. 88 car owned by Dale Earnhardt Jr. in the Nationwide Series Subway Jalapeño 250 on July 2 at Daytona. Sacks finished 21st after qualifying 7th.

Sacks and his family, who own Grand Touring Vodka, sponsored JR Motorsports for the 2011 Nationwide Series season.

NASCAR
(key) ( Bold – pole position awarded by qualifying time. Italics – pole position earned by points standings or practice time. * – most laps led. )

ARCA Re/Max Series
(key) ( Bold – Pole position awarded by qualifying time. Italics – Pole position earned by points standings or practice time. * – Most laps led. )

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Talk:Sathya Sai Baba/Archive 1

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There is no baba. He is fraud. He has so many scandals in his life and poloticians use him as a tool.

Do no belive on this fraud.

Yours true freind.

Sathya Sai Baba is Love. If you don´t like Sai Baba, please keep the Love. Testing

--- thats a wonderful quote, whoever has written it here (above). As Sri Sathya Sai Baba says there is a need to have capacity to receive Love too. Lets pray to Him that the ignorant over here will soon have the capacity to receive Love from all.

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It has been a couple of weeks since i have suggested certain changes under the title "SOME SUGGESTIONS" in the page but the changes haven't been done. Please update the changes as soon as possible. I did not update the changes as i did not want to interfere with the "objectivity" of the page.

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SOME SUGGESTIONS

1. In External links, please add not just discussion groups where "pornographic and abusive language" are used, but give links to discussion group on Sri Sathya Sai Baba, where discussions on Love, Service and Compassion are done. There are many such discussion groups, am sure you are aware of that. Please add at least some of those into the listings.

2. Websites of followers are very short as compared to Websites of critics. So you need to update these listings. I can give you a minimum of 50 website URLs if you request them.

3. References - Links should not be primarily slanted anti-SSB. There should be positive thoughts too in the section, qualitatively and quantitatively.

4. In books for Sai Baba, please give the link to Sri Sathya Sai Books and Publications Trust.

5. In the section on Media and government, the selection has only been partial. There are hundreds of articles which are appearing in everyday newspapers speaking about SSB in an objective angle, yet not slanted and negative. You need to take all those things into consideration. You can go to websites of many of Indian publications and you will get data on the same. Don't just restrict to India Today, who used the whole issue as a marketing issue for their anniversary celebration. SSB on front cover will obviously attract attention.

6. There is a necessity to revamp sections like 'history and origins', 'teachings', 'practices', 'organisations' etc.

7. Try getting primary data on SSB rather than secondary data. A operations researcher/statistician/scientist/analyst will tell you the importance of primary data as compared to secondary data. So do visit Prasanthi Nilayam. Please don't restrict yourself to: this guy said that, this person said this etc...

Please talk about what you want to write in the page Sathya Sai Baba. and DO NOT use this page to advertise petitions.

- Kesava 0430 19 Jan 2004 UTC

What should be added is that

1. the Sathya Sai central trust is the largest single recipient of overseas donations in India even though the Sathya Sai Central Trust rarely asks for donations.

2. there are well documented allegations of sexual abuse of young men by Sathya Sai Baba (SSB). That his alleged homosexuality is in contradiction with his claim to be pure and his teaching about chastity

3. there is good reason to believe that the birth date of 23 november 1926 is a fabrication. According to his school register he was born in 1929. Ex-followers of SSB accuse him of having changed the date to match a prediction by the Indian guru Aurobindo.

4. SSB is a hermaphrodite if we may believe various independent testimonies or performs a trick to make young men and boys to believe that he can change himself into a woman

5. the PM Vajpahee is a follower of SSB

6. the president of India Abdul Kalam visited Sathya Sai Baba's main ashram

7. there has been a documentary called 'Seduced by Sai Baba' on Danish TV which showed young men who claimed that they had been sexually abused by Sathya Sai Baba.

8. SSB's extraordinary claims of omnipotence and omniscience have been proven to be untrue by the skeptic Dale Beyerstein.

9. SSB claims to be a purna avatar like Krishna

10. the scholar Brian Steel and ex-follower found out that the original Telegu discourses were heavily edited.

11. even some ex-follower can't find a rational explanation for the miracles that they have experienced when they were a follower. Some ex-followers refuse to retract the miracles that they claim to have experienced.

12. quite a lot of people defected from the organization after ex-follower David Bailey published his Findings.

13. SSB assertions about magnetism shows huge discprepancies with generally accepted scientific knowledge about this subject

14. it has been proven that SSB sometimes uses sleight of hand for his materializations. Not only in the movies online but it has also been seen by so many people. The word credible in the article is too weak.

15. SSB wants his followers not to use the internet. Ex-followers and critical outsiders see this as SSB's way keep his followers. Followers see this as a good protection against the poison of calumny.

16. SSB's teaching are an eclectic mixture from Hinduism

17. The US government has issued a travel warning against SSB, in the section crime in Andhra Pradesh

18. ex-followers accuse him to be a dangerous quack

19. in contradiction to the current article (24 Jan 2004) the size of the contributions of the Sathya Sai Central Trust to the water project in Andhra Pradesh are disputed.

Andries 24 Jan 2004

Andries, can you please use the "Show Preview" button. You have already made 19 saves in 1 hour. I've messaged you at User_talk:Andries. Jay 11:10, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)

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 * Okay I will. Andries 11:20, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Still to do by Andries
Andries 23:34, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Sathya Sai organization (indulal Shah?)
 * Murders investigation, shot by the police after they had been tied?
 * darshan daily
 * Educare (fomerly called Education in Human Values)
 * Not possible to discuss it with in the SSO, examples Matthijs van der Meer, Ella Evers, Serguei Badaev, Barry Pittar, Terry Gallagher etc.
 * Sathya Sai speaks http://www.sssct.org/Discourses/Speaks/Pages/Main.htm
 * Paul Holbach: Allegation, Hypocritical invitation for investigation of authenticity because the setting of the ashram is such that real investigation is not possible.
 * Reference to India Today article

copy from Andries' tak page
I havn't read it yet, and I will read it, but I wanted to tell you that I exploded with laughter as soon as I opened the page. I have seen this guy before, and always in negative contexts. Also, his hair is a great source of amusement for me. Anyhow I will read the page and give you more substantial feedback next time ;) Sam Spade 21:45, 29 Mar 2004 (UTC)

 * Amazingly NPOV. I am very impressed with your impartiality, and the thoroughness, this is really a very fine article. You are clearly a solid editor to be able to edit something this close to you so well. Many people tell me (or show me by their POV edits) that they are unable to edit on articles close to them personally. I'd be interested in discussing theology with you some time, this is an article I have written (Pantheism).
 * I agree, I've seen Andries single-handedly change the page from a stub, I've tried hard to spot and remove POVs but not succeeded yet ! Jay 09:37, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your compliments. I think the main reasons why I was able to write a NPOV article on this subject in which I was so intensely emotionally involved is because it is now several years that I became an ex-follower. Secondly I still have a intellectual interest in the subject. Thirdly, there have been many excellent articles of ex-followers and last but not least it bothers me to read some articles that state that believers in SSB are blind and stupid quote from salon.com about SSB "No matter -- in this part of the world, faith is absolute. Believers don't refuse God, and they don't question him.". I think this is one sided and unfair and I feel vicariously insulted when I read it so I want to show the skeptical, objective readers the other side of the story. Andries 10:53, 3 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Borrowing teachings from other religions
LordsuryaofShropshire, I don't agree with your edit that SSB occasionally uses teachings from other movements. He uses them very often. However, he uses occastionally teachings from other religions, like Buddhism and Christianity. I will revert your edit. His teachings are a confused and for his followers confusing mix of (sometimes contradicting) teachings from the rich heritage of Hinduism.

With regards to your edit about bhajan singing, I guess you are right. This was an old edit (not by me) which was not corrected because I wasn't sure about it. Andries 11:06, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)

 * I was not disagreeing that he doesn't use ideas from other faiths. It's just that when it states his borrowing from religions, the following laundry list of ideas are, every single one of them, part of the Hindu tradition. Also, like with the ridiculous statement on bhajans, a lot of these ideas are made to seem like original philosophies whereas they are common practices in India from centuries before his arrival on the scene. --LordSuryaofShropshire 18:07, Apr 25, 2004 (UTC)

 * I agree with you even though I don't know enough about Hinduism to be certain. The strange thing is, if this is true, that it is difficult to spot plagiarism by SSB. Andries 18:16, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Relationship with the allegedly Muslim Sai Baba of Shirdi
What I meant to say with regards to SSB's claim to be a reincarnation of Sai Baba of Shirdi is that SSB never showed Muslim traits nor Muslim teachings unlike Sai Baba of Shirdi. Andries 21:36, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)

 * I understand you now! Well, I edited what you edited... heh... basically I changed it to something along these lines: while he claims to be Shri Shirdi Sai Baba reincarnated, a man whose following responded to a harmonious blend of mystic Islam and Hinduism, Satya shows no signs of Muslim influence. --LordSuryaofShropshire 23:58, Apr 29, 2004 (UTC)

 * That is even better. Thanks. Andries 00:44, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Prophecy, Incarnations, Prema Sai Baba
I once read in an article where the details of Satya Sai's future incarnation are mentioned - his name, the state and town/village where he will be born and the time. Can this information be included in the article. Jay 05:54, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)

 * There is only anecdotal evidence for the future birth date & place of Prema Sai Baba, from private interviews, not from public discourses  & . I will include it though because the story is popular among followers. Andries 11:27, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)

 * I added it on the page about Prema Sai Baba. Andries 14:49, 8 May 2004 (UTC)

To Alteripse, Birth place and date revert
Alteripse, I reverted your edit on the place of birth and date because only the date is disputed, not the place. Your other edits were very good. Thanks. Andries 15:55, 1 May 2004 (UTC)

== "many fewer followers since 2000"

What is the evidence for this assertion? I have softened the wording to make clear that this is a POV, not a proven fact. The groups I have attended both before 2000 and recently, in London and in Arizona, have similar attendances now as in 1998. People whom I know who have visited Puttaparthi say the queues (lines)there are at least as long as ever.

User: [[Pachiaammos 6 May 2004, 23:45

 * The number of followers has substiantally fallen down in countries like the Netherlands, Norway and Sweden. With regards to the Netherlands it is my own observation and could also be read in the Newspaper Trouw. There is only one group left in Sweden. There used to be several. With regards to Norway, I read it on Robert Priddy's website. Andries 19:19, 7 May 2004 (UTC)

Dale Beyerstein's study
I think that Beyerstein proved in his extensive study that SSB is not omniscient and omnipotent. I will remove the adverb supposedly. That is a weasel term and against the policy of wikipedia Andries 11:01, 8 May 2004 (UTC)

Michael Goldstein or Indulal Shah?
When did Michael Goldstein succeed Indulal Shah as head of the international Sathya Sai Organisation? I thought that Goldstein was the head of the American SSO. Thanks in advance. Andries 14:49, 8 May 2004 (UTC)

Is the article getting too long? Should it be split up?
I don't understand why this article is getting so long. There is even more that I want to write. Should the article be split up in several seperate main articles?

Thanks in advance. Andries 22:08, 8 May 2004 (UTC)

 * Keep writing, first of all. Its best for articles to be under 32k, but many arn't. If you do want to split things off, I reccomend creating a sub-page for the allegations/debate of allegations etc... The references section is a big part of the article too, but I donno what to do about that. Maybe a section in the talk page, like Talk:Sathya Sai Baba/References? Sam Spade 22:33, 8 May 2004 (UTC)

 * I have done a radical overhaul of this article, primarily to shorten it because it had become unwieldy. It read like it had like Topsy, just growed as points were added by critics of SSB and counter-points by supporters. I have retained inshallah the balanced NPOV inclusion of what Baba says and what his opponents say. But, IMHO, Wikipedia's primary purpose is to inform browsing readers who have heard the name Sai Baba and want to know more about him, not to air a detailed discussion of whether he is who he says he is. User: Pachiaammos 07:23 9 May 2004

 * Pachiaamos, I appreciate your efforts to downsize the article but the usual way of doing that is creating separate main articles. I don't agree with your removal of references and this is not the wikipedia policy. Instead, I request you to add references too for what you write to ensure intellectual accuracy. I found some of your edits of doubtful quality and I wasn't able to verify them due to missing references. I disagree with your removal of the section views on the guru. I think that Wikipedia readers who are interested in the subject would find this a highly interesting section. Kind regards, Andries 09:53, 9 May 2004 (UTC)

The history section is too long and should only contain facts
I think the history section has grown too long. I think we should only write undisputed facts there which will make the section very short. The rest can be moved either to the beliefs and practices article or to Allegations article. The Kasturi biography is important as a myth in the sociological meaning of the word i.e. a story not necessarily untrue that is important for the group.Andries 21:17, 10 May 2004 (UTC)

I have edited down the History section aas you suggest and moved the discursive part to the Allegations page.

I have restored the Kirlian Photography sentences (under Practices) which someone secretly (accidentally?) removed.

User:Pachiaammos 11 May 2004

 * Thanks for doing that although I think the place of the history section should be at the beginning of the article

The Need for References when writing about SSB
I want to quote Robert Priddy to make it clear why reference are important when writing about SSB. "Sai Baba repeatedly warns against listening to or spreading rumors. He compares this to dogs barking at nothing (eg. p. 130, Sathya Sai Speaks, Vol 13). Remarkably, however, his ashrams and movement are certainly far more subject to rumours and unconfirmable stories than any other place I have ever been. Many originate from him in interview sessions and are then reported outside, where they become 'hearsay', which he then neither needs to confirm nor reject. Why is all this so widespread in the Sai movement? " Anyone who writes about SSB should keep this in mind.

Kirlian photos
I removed your Kirlian statement because I have never seen a Kirlian photo of SSB. I didn't know whether I should believe it. I had heard about Baranowski and a friend had seen a video about him with regards to SSB. In what book have you seen it? Can I find it on the internet? By the way Kirlian photography is not scientific. Andries 20:38, 11 May 2004 (UTC)

The book list should be on alphabetic order
By the way, according to the rules of wikipedia the book list should be in alphabetic order of the surname of the author. Andries 21:02, 11 May 2004 (UTC)

to Andries
Could you explain what your purpose is in frequently removing my contributions? (I grant that you have left some of them in place.)

 * Because I didn't find them all good. And besides you also removed some of my contributions, like the references that took me so much time to find and to maintain them. Andries 18:31, 12 May 2004 (UTC)

I don't accept that your reason for removing my Kirlian contribution is balanced. You personally have not seen a Kirlian photo - so what? I better understand your wish to remove the word "scientific" (or to say "supposedly scientific") if some scientists do not accept Kirlian photography is a science.

 * Hello Pachiaaamos, the reason why I moved and changed (not removed) your paragraph about Baranowski was that I found the statement about the Kirlian photos doubtful. I didn't doubt that Baranowski testified as you wrote about Baba's aura. So if you can provide a reference for your statement e.g. book with page number on which the Baranowski's Kirlian photo of Baba can be found then I have no problem at all. In other words, where is the picture? The subject is controversial and very complex and there is, I believe, a lot of disinformation so that is why the references are important. Andries 18:31, 12 May 2004 (UTC)

And altogether, what is the benefit of the high level of negative references in the article as you have created it? I don't see similar references in articles about other contemporary/recent spiritual leaders such as (Sri) Aurobindo or Swaminarayan.

 * I am sorry but SSB is simply controversial. Please do add more positive websites if you want. Andries 18:31, 12 May 2004 (UTC)

Can we reach a compromise text, without making the article unwieldy or POV?

 * I hope so. Andries 18:31, 12 May 2004 (UTC)

User: Pachiaammos 12 May 2004

 * Perhaps those gentlemen have molested fewer children? I assure you no one is unnecessarilly presenting contentious information, but rather providing what facts the resources allow. As for your other concerns, Kirlian photo's are at the fringes of science, accepted by some for spiritual purposes, and not by others, and if you express this clearly I think you should have little trouble w legitimate additions. Sam Spade 14:00, 12 May 2004 (UTC)

to others
Is there anyone else here who cares what is said about Sai Baba or is this just a 2 person dialog?

User:Pachiaammos 12 May 2004
 * Do you mean what is said about Sai Baba in the article or on the talk page ? Jay 13:55, 12 May 2004 (UTC)

 * The short, simple, and accurate answer is yes. Sam Spade 14:00, 12 May 2004 (UTC)

I mean the article, what is said about Baba. If no-one here cares, I don't want to strive to improve it.

 * The object here is to present neutral information with respect for the facts. If we succeed then I think people will read the article Andries 18:31, 12 May 2004 (UTC)

Pachiaammos 12 May 2004
 * Yes, certainly! If you're good at the subject, pls go ahead and contribute. Every article on wikipedia needs improvement. I'm not a devotee of Sathya Sai, and am not for or against him, so I'll be pretty neutral with your edits. I'm happy with Andries neutrality, but its always good to listen to another (neutral) point of view! Jay 17:13, 12 May 2004 (UTC)

I find it very interesting that the critics of Sai Baba are allowed to spout their unproven allegations but anyone who rebutts the critics with FACTUAL information is "slandering" them. It's obvious from looking at this talk page that Andries thinks he "owns" this article. I've watched this type of behavior from his group for two years. They don't want you to know how many lies I've uncovered in their stories and that there are anti-Sais who have criminal records. This is why they can't get into a court room. They'd last about two seconds.

I requested User:209.240.205.63 to be blocked because of vandalism

 * Insists on slandering the critics of Sathya Sai Baba e.g. Skeptics "such as Premanand, 'a school drop out", "Tal Brooke who is an evangelical Christian sees himself as a 'false prophet and an 'Antichrist, as predicted in the Bible." "Hari Sampath's website, sathyasaivictims.com went down after a query was turned over to Illinois police regarding a report on an internet message board that Sampath was wanted in India for theft and sexual assault. Since then Sampath's high profile public appearance seems to have evaporated." This user is probably sincere but brainwashed.
 * Please block. Andries 06:04, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I also added a NPOV warning until the user is blocked and the slander against Sampath, Premanand and Brooke has been removed. I could remove it now but the user re-instates it quickly. Andries 11:41, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

What I mean is that the remarks that you make about Premanand, Sampath and Brooke are irrelevant and in the case of Sampath are libel which is a criminal offence. Andries 20:31, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I left a message asking User:209.240.205.63 to discuss changes on the talk page. BCorr | Брайен 20:28, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I left a new message asking User:Freelanceresearch to discuss changes on the talk page. BCorr | Брайен 21:00, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Hi Andres. While I agree that User:Freelanceresearch is almost certainly the same person as User:209.240.205.63, I think it's important to at least give a new user the benefit of the doubt. I got an edit conflict, so I stuck in my "nice" request and welcome message above your note. You might consider removing it or toning it down, but it's your choice. I personally feel it's important to avoid "biting the newbies". And also, I doubt that the account or the IP will be blocked without some broader discussion. I'd recommend listing Talk:Sathya Sai Baba on Requests for comment. Thanks, BCorr | Брайен 21:07, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

 * thanks for your help. I have been very liberal with undocumented edits on this article but I find these latest edits slanderous and irrelevant. They are ad hominem attack against the critics of SSB that don't belong in a serious article. I don't think that discussion in this case with this person helps to come closer. I know this person from yahoo group sathya sai baba. I will do my best to do tone it down but I am very pessimistic. Andries 21:14, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

disputed warning
I gave the article a disputed warning because of the following untrue sentences. I am too tired to correct the article now.
 * "Glen Meloy has openly an admittedly indulged in fanatic anti-Sathya Sai Baba propagandizing and has been accused of cult-like control of anti-Sai activists. Another critic (Hari Sampath who resorts to conspiracy theories) say that school records revealed several different birth dates for the boy (under his original name Sathyanarayana Raju) and suggest that he invented the 23 November, 1926 day of birth because on 24 November, 1926 the famed Hindu philosopher-mystic Sri Aurobindo said that the Divine had descended on Earth. Hari Sampath's claims are not substantiated, however"

Andries 19:19, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

anon editor 61.95.133.8?
please discuss such large edits on the talk page. Could you also provide sourses for your claims. I do not fell that at the meoment your edits agree with NPOV. Finaly could you explain you deletion of large amounts of aparently good text?Geni 13:03, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

{pseudoprotected}
Since it is quite clear than anon user has no intention of ceaseing to edit the article and I do not find their version remotly acceptable I can't see any point for this tag. If anon decides to disscuss thier edits or another wikipedian supports them I will of course reconsider my position.

Far From Neutral
This wikipedia article is far from "neutral". Someone does not allow anyone to alter it. They provide only way one information with no quality counter sites. This site is a farce.

Hi. You haven't mentioned what makes you believe that. You can always edit an article, in case you find it to be "far from neutral". In case of an "edit war", if you feel that somebody is not allowing you to alter it, you can always request for dispute resolution. Also see Mediation, Arbitration Committee. utcursch 06:25, Dec 23, 2004 (UTC)

 * I agree that there may be too many critical websites and articles mentioned as external links but the way user:61.95.133.83 edited the article is not according to NPOV guidelines. For example, s/he stated unattributed opinions, mentioned that SSB's alleged birth date was 23 Nov. 1926 as if it were a fact, though SSB's school record says that he was born in 1929. That is totally unacceptable. Andries 07:16, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I will admit failing to see how copying and pasting the article "love" (as the person complaining has done)to this article helps with NPOV (or anything for that matter). About the matter of user:61.95.133.8?'s edits. they involve serious removing of material (which in my judgement results in a POV article) without discussion on the talk page or anywhere else.Geni 10:20, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Bad Edits
09:03, 31 Dec 2004 202.153.37.96 07:13, 30 Dec 2004 210.214.44.150 07:38, 28 Dec 2004 210.214.48.168 These edits all have a very slanted view. I have reverted twice so it's up to someone else. gren

Comments by anon
This page cannot be used as a bulletin board for those obsessed with criticsing Sri Sathya Sai Baba. If this is a bulletin board which is meant to be objective, its time that those obsessed with those critising Sri Sathya Sai Baba accept other view points too. It cannot be a one sided view. Acting as if one is objective, by putting in some positives here and there, which are clearly surrounded by negatives would not help. Writing the positives as if Sri Sathya Baba is a fraud with hidden agend is clerly depicted throughout this bulletin board. I have also found that any changes brought about in the content is changed by some so called objective 'experts'. The critics before questioning others as vandalists will really help in asking the questions to themselves...

Am i "objective?" No..No..No..Am a true hypocrat...

 * How does adding that thought for the day thing active your aims? If you feel that any of the reported critisms are unfair feel free to add reference comments to the the article to that effect.Geni 13:19, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Some of you being the spokesmen of what Sri Sathya Sai Baba has done and not done, may be reading through his literatures will certainly help. The reason being that whatever is written in this website with respect to his teachings itself is far away from what He teaches. So better acquaint oneself with HIS teachings first. There has been attempts on my part to change some of my content but it has all been deleted by the officeal "knowledgeable" people who claim to know much about Baba without even making a visit to HIS abode. Amen...Reading HIS speeches itself will bring a lot of solace and peace. If you are really interested in understanding about HIM thats the basic that you can do. On the other hand, if it is ego satisfaction that is required by maintaining, all these mud-slinging in the name of "objectivity" please continue...Am surprised that you kept the earlier comment. Because even that was deleted at a point of time...

 * redgadless of what his speaches may or may not do they are not encyopedic.Geni 13:21, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * The full text of the Thought of the Day doesn't belong on Wikipedia. I think we can, though, add a link to the Thought of the Day at the bottom of the page under External links. —Mar·ka·ci 18:39, 2005 Feb 1 (UTC)

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SOME SUGGESTIONS

1. In External links, please add not just discussion groups where "pornographic and abusive language" are used, but give links to discussion group on Sri Sathya Sai Baba, where discussions on Love, Service and Compassion are done. There are many such discussion groups, am sure you are aware of that. Please add at least some of those into the listings.

2. Websites of followers are very short as compared to Websites of critics. So you need to update these listings. I can give you a minimum of 50 website URLs if you request them.

3. References - Links should not be primarily slanted anti-SSB. There should be positive thoughts too in the section, qualitatively and quantitatively.

4. In books for Sai Baba, please give the link to Sri Sathya Sai Books and Publications Trust.

5. In the section on Media and government, the selection has only been partial. There are hundreds of articles which are appearing in everyday newspapers speaking about SSB in an objective angle, yet not slanted and negative. You need to take all those things into consideration. You can go to websites of many of Indian publications and you will get data on the same. Don't just restrict to India Today, who used the whole issue as a marketing issue for their anniversary celebration. SSB on front cover will obviously attract attention.

6. There is a necessity to revamp sections like 'history and origins', 'teachings', 'practices', 'organisations' etc.

7. Try getting primary data on SSB rather than secondary data. A operations researcher/statistician/scientist/analyst will tell you the importance of primary data as compared to secondary data. So do visit Prasanthi Nilayam. Please don't restrict yourself to: this guy said that, this person said this etc...

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It has been a couple of weeks since i have suggested certain changes under the title "SOME SUGGESTIONS" in the page but the changes haven't been done. Please update the changes as soon as possible. I did not update the changes as i did not want to interfere with the "objectivity" of the page.

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 * okay, I basically agree with suggestions 2-5 and disagree with 1 and 7. Not sure what you mean with nr. 6.How should these sections revamped? Andries 13:14, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Andries, with all due respect, this article is helplessly biased against the subject of the article (my guess is that 80% of the article is critical). Suggestions by anon 1 and 7 will be a good attempt to add some balance to this article. I can help if you don't want to it. --Zappaz 04:57, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * well, it was referred to by the press in 2004 so it cannot be bad. The question is not about balance but about NPOV. And the abusive and pornographic yahoo groups is pro- and con- ,not necessarily critical. It just happens to be the main discussion forum. With regards to 7, this is first source, not 2nd and 3rd source and is not recommended by Wikipedia standards. According to the guidelines we have to use the best sources (Nagel, Steel, Priddy, Badaev) available and in this case they happen to be critical. Please find better sources if you can. Andries 07:45, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * OK. I could take the challenge, but note that will not be pretty... I would much prefer that you take the challenge yourself and write for the enemy, for once. As per your statement about being about NPOV and not about balance (after your discussions Anti-cult movement, issue if 1st sources, and that the only sources you found are of critics, I take that with huge pinch of salt....! --Zappaz 16:50, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Okay, I will rewrite it a bit. Hmmm, I have to admit that you have a point with the 1st sources. Andries 16:55, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

--- As it has been mentioned that there is agreement with points 2-5, i would not like to get on further explanations with it. Regarding point 1 am not able to understand the point of difference. Just like the way it has been mentioned that there is a group which can speak about pornography and what not, there are yahoo groups which speaks about Divinity, Peace etc. To add "objectivity" here are some points: The number of members in the webstie that speak about pornography is only 897 while memberships of other groups have crossed 2300. Naturally and obviously, as the whole world are not full of perverts. And who are we to decide which discussion groups should be listed here or not?

So please list the following discussion links too:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/saibabalist/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/saibabanews/

If you have trouble adding it, i will be happy to make the modifications...

Purported cult
This material is from the article List of purported cults, which we are paring down to a pure list. Editors here can best evaluate its statements and decide how to integrate it into this article. Thanks, -Willmcw 20:55, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)

 * ''Sathya Sai Baba
 * ''Some ex-members like the late Glen Meloy consider the Sathya Sai Organisation that was founded by Sathya Sai Baba a cult. The reason is that these ex-members say that the allegations of sexual abuse carried out by Sathya Sai Baba are correct and the Sathya Sai organization refuses to properly investigate these. Ex-member Robert Priddy who maintains an extensive website about Sathya Sai Baba believes that it is a secretive, autocratic personality cult that has strong cultic characteristics. More than 800 people have signed an internet petition requesting impartial investigation regarding accusations of sexual abuse charges and murder.

 * ''Followers purport Sathya Sai Baba's group is not a cult because it displays atypical characteristics like charity and tolerance towards other beliefs. Also, it does not claim to be the only way to God and truth, encourages a critical assesment of the guru before accepting him, and does not advocate proselytizing. They point out that often cults will expect their adherents to abandon worldly duties and to severe ties with their families, which is something Sathya Sai Baba has explicitly said not to do.

 * ''References:

 * ''Detailed rebuttal of cult allegation on the website of the international Sathya Sai organisation
 * ''Netherlands based website of concerned ex-followers
 * ''Robert Priddy's extensive website, also a lot about cults in general

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When are the suggested changes (1-7) going to be updated in the discussion page?

 * We only agreed about 2-5 and I already sized down the critical weblinks a bit. I'll try to size down the allegation here too. Andries 07:41, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Vandalizing the page
Deleting, without explanation, links along, with important templates and categories, is vandalism and if it continues we will have to have the page protected. If anyone objects to any of the links, they should act in an adult manner and bring their concerns here to be discussed. I reviewed the "rebuttal" links and found one which was clearly not useful for our readers, a Yahoo group that is devoted to collecting disparaging information. I deleted that link, with an explanatory edit summary. Please explain why the other links should be deleted. -Willmcw 01:18, May 6, 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps you are talking about MY yahoogroup persecutors_of_sathya_sai_baba, Willmcw, as I see my link has been deleted. I'm wondering WHY you are showing preference to and allowing links to sites which spout totally unsubstantiated legal accusations with OBVIOUS ad hominem attacks and PROVEN lies (like exbaba.com) yet are totally biased in posting links to sites which dispute the allegations and additionally show LEGAL DOCUMENTATION which proves that some of the people leading the anti-Sai crusade have criminal or dubious backgrounds? In otherwords Willmcw, why is it perfectly ok for this group to disparage a highly revered spiritual leader and throw mud at him while not allowing any rebuttal or pertinent background info.? I'd like to know what planet you live on that unsubstantiated and HIGHLY suspicious legal allegations take precedence over documented LEGAL info? There have been numerous complaints on this board as to how the anti-Sais are deleting any postive background info. about Sai Baba. When I first came onto this board many months ago I complained about the way Andries controls the board like he thinks he owns it and now I see you have even deleted Joe Moreno's link too! When does this obvious anti-Sai Baba bias and disregard for First Amendment rights end, Willmcw? What you ought to do is rein in some of the people who have been monopolizing and obssessing over this board for way too long and give somewone else a chance for once. We have all the documentation to show how dubious these allegations are and have ALWAYS provided links to the sites making the accusations. Now it's high time for you to do the same.

Lisa De Witt

you are right willmcw, it has happened with me too. This was when i tried to add certain content which of course, was about the good work undertaken by Sri Sathya Sai Baba. Some fellows have deleted all those changes without any discussion.

An idea: How about reviewing the whole page as such?

We will discuss how each and every paragraph should be written, right from the intro paragraph.

There is a lack of objectivity in this page and i feel, presumably i may be wrong, that there is too much of mud-slinging in this page against SSB.

 * Go for it. Be bold. Cheers, -Willmcw 22:03, May 24, 2005 (UTC)

 * considering the contiversal nature of the subject perhaps it would be better to lay out your suggestions on the talk page first.Geni 23:59, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Exactly, which is what the anon was proposing doing (I think). Let me also add that it would help the discussion if everyone uses a name and signs their talk-page contributions. Registration is free and actually allows for greater anonymity. Sign by adding four tildes (~) at the end. It iis definitely better to discus matters here, rather than reverting without communicating. Cheers, -Willmcw 02:35, May 25, 2005 (UTC)

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Service activities
Hii, you all can address me as monkey. First suggestion: We need to document all the service activites undertaken by SSB. Is there a need for creating a new subheading for the same in the page? Or can we put it up somewhere else in the page? Monkey

Thanks for contributing, Monkey. A subheaduing is easy to create. Just type two equal signs on either side of the section title - they'll format it as a section header. See the example above. Note that only the initial word and proper nouns are capitalized. Cheers, -Willmcw 01:07, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

 * Just a reminder that the article already states several times that SSB's followers and his organizations are involved in service projects and charity. Andries 12:37, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Refreshments
Made some changes in the page.

1. Added three pictures. One is the Sarva Dharma Symbol, second is a picture about Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning and the third one is about Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Medical Sciences.

2. Added more weblinks about Sri Sathya Sai Baba.

3. Added media reports that caem on service activities undertaken by Sri Sathya Sai Seva Organisations.

Any feedback please discuss here.

Thanks

monkeyishere.

 * Thanks for your contributions. But we will need to cut back on them. Wikipedia is not a web directory. We don't add links just for the sake of adding them. Also, where did you get the photos? Did you take them yourself? Cheers, -Willmcw 02:40, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * Most articles have from 1-20 links. This article has 53. Without losing the official websites, or necessary-for-NPOV critical sites, we need to cut this down. To begin with, we need to remember that the purpose of adding external links to articles is to provide readers of the article with additional information. Forums generally have little information (and much opinion) so I suggest dropping all the forums. News mentions should be included only to cite specific facts, not to serve as a list of press clippings. Usually we should only have one link to any given domain, unless there there are reasons for additional links to specific pages. See external links. Cheers, -Willmcw 06:23, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)

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There is no need to worry about copyright issues about the photo. Hope that will address your concern...

Regarding the media reports that i pasted on the page, it was based on the idea that it will document the activites undertaken by the Sai Organisation and all those news reports indicated specific activities undertaken at different locations at different time spheres. So now that it has been removed, i would suggest you to give a summary of activities that Sai organisation has been doing based on those news reports. Otherwise, it would be preferable to keep the newsreports. If you believe that the page size is getting long, then we will come out with a new page for service activities undertaken by the Sai organisation.

Regarding the weblinks, its not necesary to keep those links under External Links, but can certainly be kept under different headings as an alternative. If you have a different idea, do come up with the same. Also, you can notice that the new external links are not one and the same, but are different and provide varied information. Please exhaustively check the weblinks and verify oneself. You will find that resources provided by the weblinks provided are different.

Regarding removal of forums, please mention which are the links which you wanted to be removed, and i would also request you to support your idea with specific reasons.

Wikipedia is "an encyclopedia" and "What Wikipedia is not" do not hinder whatever has been pasted in article page.

monkeyishere.

 * Thanks for your reply. Let's start with the photos. Did you take the photos yourself? If not, then who is the copyright holder and where did you obtain them? Your personal suggestion not to worry is nice, but doesn't answer the questions. -Willmcw 19:50, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

 * Monkeyishere, I have already removed all the forums and I oppose moving the erxternal links to the related section which is against the style guidelines. Andries 20:13, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Regarding the photograph: For willmcw - My brother has taken the photograph and hasn't put any copyrights on that. What about the abridged documentation of the news articles?

For Andries - Regarding the forums- Please mention the links that you have removed in this discussion forum. Because i find that some links which are not exactly forums has been removed. Those links provided a lot of informtaion/facts and was not just opinions. I request you to replace them.

About the style guidelines - Are you speaking about the styleguidelines of Wikipedia or the pattern followed in this page? If it is the pattern followed in the page, then there is nothing that stop us from having a relook at the pattern followed here.

Would you like to suggest any other alternative?

 * Thanks for your reply. Please go to the image pages and indicate that your brother is releasing the photos under the public domain, GFDL, or other similar license which allow for unlimited copying for commercial and non-commercial purposes. If there is information in the news articles you linked that is important to this article, then please add the info.   Lastly, please sign and date your talk page contributions. Thanks, -Willmcw June 28, 2005 20:11 (UTC)

 * Monkeyishere, the only website that I removed is Vedamu, a website related to Vedic studies inspired by Sri Sathya Sai Baba which I found hardly related to SSB and his movement. You can also find this yourself by check the history of the version and then the differences between the versions. Other external links removals that I did were only forums. For the rest, I agree with Willmcw's requests and advices to you. The lay out guidelines are general guidelines for all articles in Wikipedia. Please sign your posts by using four tildes ~ Thanks. Andries 28 June 2005 20:29 (UTC)

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hii

1. I've made some changes in the intro section, as i found that the language used was grammatically appropriate. Also put in some additional information.

2. Added a link which depict photographs related to miracles performed by Sri Sathya Sai Baba.

3. Added a link depicting videofilms related to discourses given by Sri Sathya Sai Baba, Vibhuti materialisation performed by Sri Sathya Sai Baba etc.

Willmcw, as per your suggestion i tried to work out the photo suggestion. am unable to understand the different guidelines. could you explain how do i go to the licencing page etc which you mentioned?

monkeyishere

 * The page you're looking for is at image copyright tags. Find the appropriate tag, then edit the image description page and add it there. Let me know if you have any questions. -Willmcw July 6, 2005 20:08 (UTC)

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 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. – ABCD✉ 00:14, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Isajeep
Neologism at best -- a phrase popularized by a questionably notable message board is not worthy of an article. gren 22:44, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

The above explanation is at best a lie and at worst, censorship based in political correctness. At the very least, a simple definition and explanation of origin should remain.

 * Delete gren 22:44, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete neologism. --TheMidnighters 00:18, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete neologism. JamesBurns 08:32, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

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