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Musafir.. The name means a Stranger, an unknown friend or foe. The World is a Drama in which we all have our own parts of play.. Its a complete drama unfolding in each others eyes..

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Andreas Seyfarth

Andreas Seyfarth (born 6 November 1962) is a German-style board game designer, who is most famous for creating Puerto Rico, which is highly ranked on BoardGameGeek. In 2002, the game was awarded first place for the prestigious Deutscher Spiele Preis (German for German Game Prize). Seyfarth also received the crown jewel of German-style board-game awards, the Spiel des Jahres (German for Game of the Year) in 1994 and 2006 for his games Manhattan and Thurn and Taxis respectively.

Seyfarth married his wife Karen in 1988. He credits her with playtesting and helping design most of his games. Additionally, she is the co-author of Thurn and Taxis. Seyfarth works as a financial controller at Deutsche Telekom.

Games

 * Airships (2007)
 * Manhattan (1994)
 * Puerto Rico (2002)
 * Puerto Rico Expansion (2004)
 * San Juan (2004)
 * Spiel des Friedens (1993)
 * Thurn and Taxis (2006, with Karen Seyfarth)
 * Waldmeister (1994)
 * Zorro (1993)
 * Zorro: The Fight Against Alcalde (1990)

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Talk:The Invisible Man (1933 film)

Raines in the film...
I think this info may be inaccurate. Claude Raines does appear in the movie (you see his face) as the man who became the invisible man.

 * Absolutely. Someone's been reading fanbooks again instead of watching films...

Invisibility Category?
For this film and many others, even television shows such as Fantomcat, I think we need a category.Mermaid from the Baltic Sea 19:45, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Agreed. --GHcool 00:04, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Okay, I've created the category at Category:Invisibility. Mermaid from the Baltic Sea 20:41, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Monocane redirected to here
Tom Tresser has redirected this article on Monocane to this movie Invisible Man without any discussion on the appropriateness of his act, based on his opinion that the Monocane article was "non-notable"

To me, the mere fact that so many references from the entertainment world references it -- as a sort of inside joke -- clearly makes it notable, and makes it a suitable target for Wikipedia. I went to the monocane article when I heard it on a Matlock and wanted to know what it was. I found the article useful in my quest.

With Tom's redirection, the information on what monocane is would be hidden in the body of the Invisible man article, and its nature as a running (and therefore non-accidental) reference is not available at all.

I'm not sure why he persists on deleting information without gaining consensus or even engaging in discussion on this. I don't believe this arbitrary behavior is typical of him or appropriate for Wikipedia. Please, someone who agrees with me, revert this article and continue to argue for its existence. Let's see what others have to say, Please give your justifications and comments on the discussion page

Mjchonoles (talk) 09:55, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

 * I think Monocane isn't notable enough for its own article, but I do like the little section about it in this one. --GHcool (talk) 21:17, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

 * I've altered the redirect from Monocane to go directly to the appropriate section here. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz)  (talk / cont)  08:10, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

 * Good idea. Thanks for doing this.  :) --GHcool (talk) 20:56, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Disambiguation
Just a thought on this: I'm of a mind to create a Monocane/Monocaine disambiguation page along the lines of User:The Parting Glass/Sandbox, and then have Monocane redirect there. It would have the effect of tying the information together without trying to assert or suggesting that a mention of a word homonymic to "Monocane" (let's face it, we haven't verified the spelling on these) necessarily means a reference to The Invisible Man, as well as serving those who've typed in "Monocane" when they actually meant the dental anesthetic. – The Parting Glass 14:43, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

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Plot Summary
This line appeared at the beginning of the summary: "However, his dark secret is slowly revealed to his suspicious landlady and the villagers: he is an invisible man." On the contrary, Griffin's secret is revealed quite suddenly during his maniacal removal of his clothes and bandages. The meddlesome landlady and the villagers are extremely suspicious of Griffin's peculiar behavior and attempt to spy on him until that time, but "his dark secret" is not "slowly revealed"; it's rather abrupt. Finwailin (talk) 19:24, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Cast
I am adding not only the cast here, but also facts about them that isn't there in the production page, the sources were I got the explanations for the Cast Lists are from IMDB:

94.201.206.212 (talk) 15:57, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Claude Rains as Jack Griffin/The Invisible Man, According to information given on TCM before the movie is shown, Claude Rains was also chosen for the role because he spoke with such clarity and could be easily understood. This was important since his face was covered for almost the entire film. Rains' performance in this film also inspired Mark Hamill's portrayal of The Joker.
 * Gloria Stuart as Flora Cranley
 * William Harrigan as Professor Arthur Kemp
 * Henry Travers as Dr. Cranley
 * Una O'Connor as Jenny Hall, During the scenes with Una O'Connor, the hysterical pub landlady, James Whale struggled to control his own laughter, as he adored O' Connor's humor.
 * Forrester Harvey as Herbert Hall
 * Dudley Digges as Police Lieutenant
 * Harry Stubbs as Police Commissioner
 * E. E. Clive as Constable Jaffers
 * Dwight Frye as Reporter, The reporter who offers suggestions to the police chief was played by Dwight Frye. He is best known for playing Renfield in "Dracula (1931)." He also played Fritz in "Frankenstein (1931)" and Karl Glutz in "The Bride of Frankenstein (1935)."
 * The article has a cast list and IMDB is unreliable. PrisonerB (talk) 13:10, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

"The Invisible Man (1933film)" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect The Invisible Man (1933film) and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 November 19 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Regards, SONIC 678 17:17, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

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A*mazing

A*mazing is an Australian children's television game show that aired between 16 May 1994 until 1998 on the Seven Network. It was famous for a relatively large and elaborate maze/obstacle course that was part of the show's studio set. A*mazing was hosted by James Sherry for the entire run of the series. A*mazing was produced at Channel 7 in Brisbane from 1994 to 1996 and then at Channel 7 in Perth from 1997 to 1998.

Format
The show pitted teams from two different primary schools against each other during the course of a week. Points gained by each contestant during the week would be totalled up to decide the winning school at the end of each week. There were two rounds of a game called "Timezone", each followed by a maze run, then the contestants competed in a "computer challenge" on a video game.

Timezone
In Timezone, a 90-second countdown timer begins, and Sherry begins to provide clues to a word or phrase to the first school's contestants. Contestants have to correctly guess the word or phrase before running down to a large QWERTY keyboard mounted on the floor and stepping on the letters to spell it out. The process is repeated for the second school. If contestants were unable to guess the word initially, the clues would get easier until the word was spelled out by Sherry. The time remaining determines how many points they get, plus how long each school gets to spend in the maze during round two.

Maze Run
After both teams had completed Timezone, one contestant from each school would enter the maze and attempt to collect the letters of the answer which are hidden in such places as a garbage can, or behind a mock cactus. Ten points are given for every letter they retrieve inside the maze before their time runs out.

Occasionally, the maze would include letters that are not part of the answer; if a contestant collected these superfluous letters, they would not receive any extra points in addition to the points earned by collecting the valid letters.

Computer Challenge
After the teams had completed two maze runs, the contestants competed in a video game face off. During the course of the show, three different gaming platforms, all provided by sponsor Nintendo, were used. Originally, the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (1994–1996), and later the Nintendo 64 (1997–1998).

Games played included Tetris, Bubsy, Donkey Kong Country, Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest, Super Mario World, Nigel Mansell's World Championship, Plok, Pac-Attack, 1080° Snowboarding, Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie Kong's Double Trouble!, Wave Race 64, Super Mario Kart, Mario Kart 64, San Francisco Rush, Multi-Racing Championship, Cruis'n USA, Diddy Kong Racing, Super Mario 64, Unirally, Winter Gold, Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Tennis, Cruis'n World, and the fly-swatting minigame from Mario Paint.

The team with the most points/fastest time win 50 points for their team, while runners-up in this challenge win 25 points for their team. Should there be a tie (e.g. both teams score the same number of coins in Super Mario Kart or hit the same number of flies in the fly-swatting mini-game from Mario Paint), both teams score 25 points each. Originally, 100 points were awarded to the winners and 50 points to the runners-up.

Bonus Round
After the third round, the team with the highest score would then go back to the maze for 90 seconds (later changed to 120 seconds) to collect keys. One player will choose which side of the maze they want to explore. Only when that player exits that maze can the other player enter the other half of the maze. There were seven keys, including a bonus one, in the maze; each key was worth 100 points. If either of the contestants found the bonus key, then both of the contestants would each get an original Game Boy (also provided by Nintendo), which later became a Game Boy Pocket. Only once were all seven keys found in the maze (under the 90-second rule limit).

If there was a tie after the third round, a sudden-death question was read out to both teams in the style of the first round, and whoever answered the question correctly would technically win the game for the day and go into the maze to search for the keys.

By the end of the week, the school with the highest number of points would win a grand prize, which was usually educational computer software or an encyclopedia set. Other prizes included tickets to the Wet'n'Wild theme park in Gold Coast, Australia.

The Maze
The tables below show the layout of the maze per season, from the start to the end of each side of the maze.

 * The only parts of the maze that remained for every series were (left to right, start to finish): the mirrored doors, the pipe, the pirate's cove, the desert, the bamboo walk, the yellow slide and the padded stairs.
 * There was only one occasion during the entire run of the show when host James Sherry was shown to venture into the maze during the game portion of the show. During series two, one player from the winning team grabbed one key and got the key entangled in the fish net at the start of the left-hand side of the maze. After 30 seconds of trying to untangle it, James told them that the key was theirs. After the run, James ventured into the maze to count the keys they collected from the fish net.
 * At one time during a maze run, at the end of the jungle walk, a contestant went over a fence and into the right-hand side of the maze.
 * One of the most common locations to find the bonus key was in the car; unfortunately, most of the time, the key in the car was not found.
 * The shortest ever maze run was 5 seconds, after one team took 85 seconds to correctly answer and type "Todd Woodbridge" (most letters to type at 14). The team managed to grab an "S", but because "S" is not in "Todd Woodbridge", the team managed to only score 5 points (the lowest ever in a round).
 * Towards the end of the show's run, parts of the set from another show on the Seven Network, Time Masters, appeared on the set of A*mazing as part of the maze. A modified version of the Zig-Zag Run (called "The Wobbly Planks" on Time Masters) from the 'BrainStrain' game appeared on the castle, and the Revolving Pipe (called "The Groove Tube" on Time Masters) replaced the green pipe at the entrance to the pirates' cove. It was also taken from the 'BrainStrain' game, which had been phased out of Time Masters after the first season, in favour of 'Slam Dunk'—which was played with a basketball instead.
 * The jungle obstacle in the final season featured the Three Wise Monkeys, who were designed after Donkey Kong.
 * Peter Taylor became the first ever contestant to win the major prize (the Game Boy) on A*mazing.
 * Controversially, if contestants chose the left route in the maze, they had to step into a smoke-filled pit. At the base of this pit were thousands of ping pong balls. These balls sometimes made the contestants fall back onto their spine on a hard edge. The balls were removed after the first two episodes.

Trivia

 * The show was rerun from 1999 to 2003 on Disney Channel.
 * On 9 August 2012, host James Sherry uploaded a video and started a Facebook page urging someone to bring back A*mazing. He has since uploaded 30 videos, but so far there are no official plans to bring the show back at this stage.

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Talk:Female disciples of Jesus/to do

 * treatment on each mention of female disciples/followers/patrons of Jesus in the New Testament gospels (each gospel separately)
 * *What about each female separately? That seems to make more sense --Butterflyvertigo 19:24, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * **Many of these women already have their own articles. If they don't, they should.  This article would be better used describing the women collectively and in groups as they appear in Christian scriptures. -Acjelen 21:11, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

 * treatment on female disciples/followers/patrons of Jesus in gospels outside the New Testament
 * add Category:New Testament people, Category:Jesus
 * add good See also's
 * find and link to (or create) article on women in the New Testament
 * -all above listed by Acjelen 00:10, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

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The Very Best of Linda Ronstadt

The Very Best of Linda Ronstadt is a hits compilation by American singer/songwriter/producer Linda Ronstadt. The album was released by Rhino Records in 2002.

It peaked at #19 on Billboards Country albums chart - where it lasted for well over a year - and crossed over to #165 on Billboards main album chart. In 2003, a European edition was released with additional and alternate tracks.

In 2012, Rolling Stone ranked The Very Best of Linda Ronstadt at number 164 on the magazine's list of The 500 Greatest Albums of All Time.

A new Australian edition of the disc was released in 2017 and hit the ARIA Charts. It was certified Gold in Australia.

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Tau Beta Sigma

Tau Beta Sigma Honorary Band Sorority, (ΤΒΣ, colloquially referred to as TBSigma or TBS) is a co-educational service sorority.

The sorority, headquartered at the historic Stillwater Santa Fe Depot in Stillwater, Oklahoma, numbers over 3,800 active members in 160 active chapters, and over 40,000 alumni. Since 1946, Tau Beta Sigma has been recognized by Kappa Kappa Psi as "an equal affiliated organization with a parallel purpose, function and role in the college and university band setting", and the two organizations hold joint conventions. The two organizations contribute to a national publication called, The Podium. Tau Beta Sigma also administers an alumni association open to members and friends of both organizations.

Overview
Tau Beta Sigma was founded at Texas Technological College (now Texas Tech University) by Wava Banes (Turner Henry). Due to corporation laws in the state of Texas at the time, however, the Texas Tech sisters surrendered their name, ritual, jewelry, constitution and Alpha chapter designation in January 1946 to the local band sorority at Oklahoma State University. The Alpha chapter of Tau Beta Sigma was installed at OSU on March 26, 1946. This had the additional effect of locating both of the Alpha chapters of Tau Beta Sigma and Kappa Kappa Psi at the same school. The founding members of the Alpha chapter were: Rosemary Wright, Frances Martin, Ebba Jensen, Mary Belle Reece, Margaret Stanffer, Bernice Friend, and Maribeth Crist. Later, on May 4, 1946, the Beta chapter of Tau Beta Sigma was founded at Texas Tech.

Sorority Beginnings
The first practical idea for establishing a “band sorority” for college and university bandswomen came about during the spring semester of 1939. Wava Banes, along with two of her classmates (Emily SoRelle and Ruth La Nell Williams), took the idea to director D. O. Wiley of the Texas Technological College Band. The idea, patterned after Kappa Kappa Psi, began to come together the following semester and resulted in the campus organization Tau Beta Sigma. Much like the Fraternity, Tau Beta Sigma's purpose at Tech was to serve as an honorary service and leadership recognition society, but was designed especially to provide the important additional social, educational, and other positive experiences needed by women in the band. The fledgling organization petitioned for recognition as an official campus organization from Dean of Women Mary Doak in spring 1940.

During these initial meetings of 1939–40, the women elected officers and began work on sorority crests and jewelry. The first officers of the organization were: president, Wava Banes; vice-president, Emily SoRelle; secretary, Lillian Horner; treasurer, Nita Furr; reporter, Barbara Griggs; and faculty sponsor, D. O. Wiley. Miss SoRelle provided all of the sketch work on the emblem and shield that were adopted as the official emblems of the sorority. However, two of the founding members, Wava and Emily, graduated at the end of the spring 1940 term. As band enrollment changed due to participation in World War II, the girls of the Tech Bands continued to develop the fledgling organization. By October 1941, TBS had begun communications with the national executive secretary of Kappa Kappa Psi for assistance in becoming a national organization.

In June 1943, the Tech women petitioned the Grand Council of Kappa Kappa Psi to become an auxiliary part of the national fraternity as an active chapter. Accepting the group under these circumstances, however, would have entailed a complete revision of the Kappa Kappa Psi constitution. With World War II in progress, it was unsure as to when the National Chapter would hold their next convention where the issue could be brought to debate. Rather than postponing action on the women's request indefinitely, the women at Texas Tech approached A. Frank Martin, Grand Executive Secretary of Kappa Kappa Psi, in January 1946 to provide assistance in forming their own national organization, just as the National Fraternity had done in 1919. Until a national convention of Kappa Kappa Psi could be held and the matter clarified, Tau Beta Sigma could be considered the “sister organization” of the fraternity. The Grand Council of Kappa Kappa Psi agreed that Tau Beta Sigma could share in all fraternal publications.

Through the assistance of A. Frank Martin, the ritual and national constitution were completed. Likewise, the Balfour Company completed designs for the sorority badge and pledge pin. When applying for a national charter, D. O. Wiley and the girls at Texas Tech again turned to A. Frank Martin and offered to turn over their work and the name Tau Beta Sigma to the women's band sorority at Oklahoma A&M, known as Kappa Psi, to submit the articles of incorporation in Oklahoma. Through this act, the chapter at Oklahoma A&M would become the Alpha chapter. As part of this agreement, the chapter at Texas Tech, Beta, would be known as the founding location of the sorority and the members stipulated that Wava Banes would be known as the founder, the agreement also specified that the first national president would be from the Beta chapter.

Similar women's organizations at Colorado University and the University of Oklahoma submitted petitions to join with the Texas Tech and O.A.M.C. chapter prior to the official charter being received. On March 26, 1946, a charter was granted by the Department of State for the State of Oklahoma legally establishing “Tau Beta Sigma, National Honorary Band Sorority,” later amended to “Tau Beta Sigma.” On May 4, 1946, the members of the Alpha chapter traveled to Lubbock, Texas, to officially install the women of Texas Tech as the Beta chapter of the National Sorority.

Since that time, Tau Beta Sigma has expanded to over 230 campuses across the United States.

Ties to other organizations
In addition to the close relationship with Kappa Kappa Psi, Tau Beta Sigma has historical and current relationships with several other organizations. One such relationship is with Sigma Alpha Iota, an international fraternity for women with a strong interest in music.

In 1999, joint statements were issued by the leadership of Tau Beta Sigma and Sigma Alpha Iota, along with Kappa Kappa Psi and Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia, affirming "that there are equally important roles for Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia, Sigma Alpha Iota, Kappa Kappa Psi and Tau Beta Sigma to fulfill on any campus where our chapters mutually exist, now or in the future. Each organization possesses a distinct mission and, as a result, fulfills a unique and vital role in the musical environment of a college campus" and that "A member of Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia or Sigma Alpha Iota can hold simultaneous membership in Kappa Kappa Psi or Tau Beta Sigma, subject to his/her own interests and the eligibility requirements of the other organizations. The same holds true for a member of Kappa Kappa Psi or Tau Beta Sigma with regard to membership in Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia or Sigma Alpha Iota."

National programs
Focus on Five

The Focus on Five campaign was initially introduced by 2013–2015 NVPSP Jonathan Markowski in 2014. The program was designed to promote participation in national programs and has since expanded to include highlighting important chapter operations and district initiatives. Each year, five simple actions related to the National Programs are presented, which each chapter can undertake to "earn" parts of the Tau Beta Sigma flag (stripes and lyre pieces).

Women in Music Series

The Women in Music Speaker Series engages members of Tau Beta Sigma by providing them with the opportunity to meet and talk with women in various aspects of the music profession. This includes professional performers, music therapists, music educators, and more. The program aims to promote women's voices in the music field by offering them a platform to share their experiences. It was launched in 1997 during the district convention season, and notable speakers in recent years have included performer Cora Coleman-Dunham, composer Julie Giroux, and Captain Michelle Rakers, the assistant director of "The President's Own" Marine Band.

National Intercollegiate Band

The National Intercollegiate Band (NIB) is a concert band, sponsored by honorary band fraternity and sorority Kappa Kappa Psi and Tau Beta Sigma, that performs every two years at the national convention of the two organizations. Organized in 1947, the NIB is the oldest national intercollegiate band in the United States and is open to all collegiate band members regardless of membership in Kappa Kappa Psi or Tau Beta Sigma.

Commissioning program
Since 1953, Kappa Kappa Psi and Tau Beta Sigma have commissioned a new work for wind band to be premiered at almost every National Intercollegiate Band concert. This program was begun to add to the wind repertoire under the direction of Grand President Hugh McMillen, and is the longest-running commissioning project in the United States. A number of these commissioned compositions have garnered national acclaim, including Robert Russell Bennett's Symphonic Songs for Band and Karel Husa's Concerto for Trumpet and Wind Orchestra. In the years following the start of the national commissioning program, local chapters have begun to commission new band works themselves, such as Frank Ticheli's An American Elegy, in memory of the Columbine High School massacre.

National Headquarters
Originally located on the campus of Oklahoma State University, the National Headquarters of Tau Beta Sigma is housed in Stillwater Station, the retired Stillwater Santa Fe Depot in Stillwater, Oklahoma. The headquarters staff carries out the day-to-day operations of the Sorority.

The headquarters staff includes:

National Council
The national officers of Tau Beta Sigma for the 2023-2025 biennium are:

Board of trustees
There are currently eight members of the Tau Beta Sigma board of trustees. The board of trustees represents the corporation in all matters and ensures the corporation remains financially sound by directing the finances of the trust.

The current board of trustees members for Tau Beta Sigma are:

Tau Beta Sigma Alumni Association Executive Council
The current executive council members for the Tau Beta Sigma Alumni Association are:

Districts

The sorority is divided into three basic levels - national, district, and chapter. The sorority's business is handled hierarchically, so that an issue is handled in chapter meetings, district conventions, and then nationally. There are seven districts divided by geography: Northeast, Southeast, North Central, Midwest, Southwest, Western, and International (a hypothetical district comprising all chapters outside the United States). Each district is led by one or more district counselors, as well as a council of elected student officers by the members of the districts.

District counselors are regional advisors for the sorority. They actively work with each district's student leadership and communicate with chapter sponsors. District counselors are appointed by the national president for two-year terms, and are currently limited to serving three terms.

The districts are as follows:

Notable members
Notable members of Tau Beta Sigma include: • Debra Dene Barnes, Miss America 1968(Gamma Alpha)

• William "Count" Basie, musician

• Rebecca Burns, musician

• Beth Brown, astrophysicist

• Velvet Brown, tubist (Honorary-Eta Delta)

• Karen Carpenter, singer

• Richard Carpenter, singer

• John Denver, singer

• Deesha Dyer, White House social secretary

• Sheila E., percussionist(Honorary-Eta Delta)

• Maynard Ferguson, musician

• Roberta Flack, singer(Honorary-Eta Delta)

• Lizzo, singer

• Queen Latifah, actress, rapper

• Wynton Marsalis, musician

• Pauline Oliveros, composer, founding member of Tau chapter

• Alfred Reed, composer

• Carl "Doc" Severinsen, musician

• Red Skelton, entertainer

• Erica D. Smith, North Carolina state senator

• Dionne Warwick, singer

• Dianna Williams, dance instructor and star of Lifetime's Bring It!

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Talk:Bairam Khan

2005 speedy delete request

 * I placed the speedy tag on the article because of this edit: . Since you cleaned it up, I removed it. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 07:33, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

perfect master
The Legacy section says that Bairam Khan was a perfect master of the sword and the pen. This seem to be a little extreme, and POV. Even if it had some support from citations to reliable sources, it does seem to be a matter of opinion, requiring text in the form like Changara holds that .... --Bejnar (talk) 20:13, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

You are right. I suggest to remove the first para. - altaf 12:19, 10 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Md.altaf.rahman (talk • contribs)

 * The following section was removed, pending citation to reliable sources. --Bejnar (talk) 00:39, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Legacy
Bairam Khan's accomplishments have been recognized both in Afghanistan and India. He was a perfect master of the sword and the pen. His liberal patronage attracted men of letters and masters of fine arts.

Bairam Khan has left a small divan of Chagatay, Persian and Turkish verses. The Persian section contains 618 verses, the Turkish 357 verses. However, an earlier copy of his divan preserved in the library of his son Mirza Abdul Rahim Khan-i-Khana consisted of about 2,000 couplets. Bairam Khan, a Shiite, praises the Imams Ali ibn Abu Talib and Ali al-Ridha in his Persian poetry. He also wrote panegyrics glorifying the emperors Humayun and Akbar.

His son Abdul Rahim Khan-I-Khana translated the Baburnama from Chagatay into Persian.

Better sources required
Hi and thanks for the sources. They are however problematic. Cunningham is from 1882 and is far too dated. You can see the kind of problems that come from such dated sources if you look at the article which states that Bairam Khan married Hasan Khan's daughter. This is supported by a citation from 1878. Your second reference is a primary source and is not ideal. Please replace both with newer and reliable secondary sources. Thanks.--Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 16:45, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Karl Rove/to do

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 * 1) Shorten considerably the information on the Plame affair or summarize it thoroughly on the main page and offload its full contents to a daughter article

 * 1) Remove article-wide NPOV notice; replace, if necessary, with section NPOV disputes
 * 2) Verify article sources, determine level of impartiality and notability
 * 3) Clarify the timeline and the pertinent facts in the Vietnam War/Draft section.
 * 4) Talk page: Improve format of comments from new users
 * 5) ''Siegelman has been released from a seven-year sentence in a federal penitentiary.
 * 6) ''Make a graphic to show Rove's successes in the congressional/senatorial races and delete the excessive use of sectioning off each race. Each race does not deserve it's own section since each section only has one unreferenced sentence.
 * 7) ''Move up the sections on George W. Bush's gubernatorial and presidential races and expand them to include Rove's strategies and tactics.
 * 8) ''Compress the scandals into one section and off-load content to other articles.

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Edgar Tinel

Edgar Pierre Joseph Tinel (27 March 1854 – 28 October 1912) was a Belgian composer and pianist.

He was born in Sinaai, today part of Sint-Niklaas in East Flanders, Belgium, and died in Brussels. After studies at the Brussels Conservatory with Louis Brassin (piano) and François-Auguste Gevaert (composition), he began a career as a virtuoso, but soon abandoned this for composition. In 1877 his cantata Klokke Roeland won him the Belgian Prix de Rome, and in 1881 he succeeded Jacques-Nicolas Lemmens as director of the Mechelen Institute of Religious Music.

He devoted himself to a study of old church music, and his ideas gave rise to Pope Pius X's Motu proprio. Appointed inspector of music education in 1889, he moved to the Brussels Conservatory to become professor of counterpoint and fugue in 1896, and director at the end of 1908. He was made maître de chapelle to the king in 1910, having been elected to the Belgian Royal Academy in 1902.

His liturgical music is polyphonic in the Palestrina style, but this technique conflicted with Tinel's lyrical and mystical temperament, and he had much greater success in his two concert settings of the Te Deum, the oratorio and the religious dramas. These works indicate his total admiration for Bach, but the orchestration, dominated by the strings, is Romantic. Tinel's piano pieces and songs recall Schumann, Mendelssohn and Brahms. He published Le chant gregorien (Mechelen, 1890).

Operas

 * Godelieve, Op. 43
 * Katharina, Op. 44

Choral

 * Klokke Roeland, Op. 17, cantata
 * Kollebloemen, Op. 20, cantata, 1879, rev. 1889–90
 * Vlaamsche stemme, Op. 25, 4 male vv
 * Te Deum, Op. 26, 4vv org, 1883
 * Psalm vi, Op. 27, 4 male vv 1891
 * 4 Adventsliederen, Op. 35, SATB
 * Franciscus, Op. 36, oratorio, 1890, libretto by Lodewijk de Koninck
 * Aurora, Op. 37, 4 male vv (1885)
 * Psalm xxix, Op. 39, 4 male vv
 * Missa in honorem BMV de Lourdes, Op. 41, 5 vv 1892
 * Cantique nuptial, Op. 45, S/T, org, pf/harp
 * Te Deum, Op. 46, 6vv, org, orch, 1905
 * Psalm cl, Op. 47, 4 male vv, 1907

Keyboard music

 * Four Nocturnes (voice and piano), Op.1
 * Three Fantasy Pieces, Op. 2
 * Scherzo in C minor, Op. 3
 * Two Pieces, Op.7
 * Piano Sonata in F minor, Op. 9
 * Au Printemps, Five Fantasy Pieces, Op. 14
 * Piano Sonata in G minor, Op. 15
 * Organ Sonata in G minor, Op. 29
 * Bunte Blätter, six pieces for piano, Op. 32

Orchestral music, songs

 * Principal publishers: Breitkopf & Härtel, Schott (Brussels)
 * Kollebloemen (lyrical poem)
 * Drie ridders ('Three knights', ballad)
 * Incidental music to Pierre Corneille's Polyeucte (1878–1881)

Tinel also wrote a treatise on plain-song.

Honours

 * 1900: Officer in the Order of Leopold.

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Talk:John Stockwell (CIA officer)

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 * a) I doubt any CIA agent actually contacted anybody asking that this page be deleted
 * b) I doubt we should, even if it really did happen
 * c) There is no discussion on the discussion page, what are you talking about?
 * Sherurcij 07:25, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

Doubt as you may. you can see his personal web page at www.goodpaddle.com and note that I am the web master. You can see my personal page at www.davestockwell.com. you can reach me via email at dstockw@onebox.com. I can provide proof of the relationship AND can put you in direct contact with him, at his home, in Texas. i am simply attempting to follow the process for deletion and help my uncle with his request. David Stockwell, maple valley, WA —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stockwell (talk • contribs) 07:30, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Well known once in a very small arena long time ago. Now he's just a retired computer support manager who wishes to paddle the rivers of Texas in peace. He'd have me remove all internet references to him if I could but you know my chances on that. I'd simply like to place the del tag in the article and let the Wikiadmins take a look at it. Unless you have another suggestion. I'm fairly new at this. Posting as a VFD. See also discussion with Sherurcij. Stockwell 07:52, 17 July 2005 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stockwell (talk • contribs) 08:07, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Given that the article appears to be headed towards being kept, I'd suggest adding a bit to the end about how "he's just a retired computer support manager who wishes to paddle the rivers of Texas in peace". -- Cyrius|✎ 19:01, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

VFD
The vote for deletion debate for the article is over. The result of the debate was keep. See Votes for deletion/ for a record of the discussion. Sikon 10:56, 22 July 2005 (UTC) any one know where i can find more of his speeches? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.34.27.100 (talk) 23:59, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * You could try Google, or another search engine, but beyond that, I'm afraid I'm not much help. Sherurcij 00:00, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Correcting errors
I took the liberty of correcting the many errors in the article about my career--John Stockwell — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goodpaddle (talk • contribs) 21:49, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I appreciate that, though I'm sure you can understand my natural suspicions whenever somebody claims to be someone "relatively famous" online.  For instance, in your corrections you list five tours of duty, but in your 1977 Open Letter you said "having served seven full tours of duty", and I'm curious whether you are the highest-ranking CIA agent to leave, or why you changed that sentence to "one of the first professionals to leave the CIA" - could you cite somebody higher-ranked than yourself?  Also, there are 450 references on Google for the quote It is the function of the CIA to keep the world unstable, to propagandize and teach the American people to hate, so we will let the Establishment spend any amount of money on arms. - is there a reason you removed it from the article? Again, the book Praetorian Guard said "military machine", not "Military/Industrial" machine as you have altered the quote now.  I don't mean to be disrespectful, but the tone of the article has changed, so I'd appreciate if you could clear this up for me. Sherurcij (talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject) 21:59, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Response
Sorry, I didn't mean to break rules. Am not familiar with Wikipedia.

What was up before about me was inaccurate. What is up now is accurate.

Am not sure of the context of your reference. I went through training, then served 3 tours in Africa (Cote D'Ivoire, Katanga, Burundi). Then a tour at Hqrs with some travel, working "against" the younger Gadafi. Then Vietnam, coming out with the fnal evacuation. Then back at Hqrs, with travel to Africa and Europe, managing the Angola War.

I was by no means "the highest ranking CIA case officer to go public." CIA director Admiral Turner has written books about CIA operations--I recommend them. He was a Rhodes Scholar and a leader of high principles. I was about the equivalent of a colonel when I quit. At the time I wrote In Search of Enemies, I may have been the highest ranking case officer to quit and write an expose, but this is much less important to me than what the book may have had to offer. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.112.128.155 (talk) 03:48, 2 February 2007 (UTC).
 * I don't see all these African countries listed in the article. This information should be added. Badagnani 23:55, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Modification
I added the bit The group began to fall apart as members presented different points of views, and the members began to distrust one another, wondering if there was a CIA spy amongst them. but forgot to sign my name. it was in his book the praetorian guard (if I am not mistaken). Paskari 19:15, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Deletion
Following the sentence about John Stockwell's 1980 prediction that the U.S. would "seek out new enemies" if the Soviet Union collapsed, there was a very poorly written sentence which I deleted, attempting to say (hard to tell because of how poorly written) that Gulf War II somehow fulfilled this prediction. I at first attempted to rewrite the sentence to make it (1) more readable and (2) about Gulf War I (since that is the only Iraq war with any temporal connection to the collapse of the Soviet Union). However, while rewriting I realized that even that claim -- that the first Gulf War was waged in order to support the M-I complex -- is controversial. Hence I ultimately just deleted the sentence. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.108.18.51 (talk) 21:11, 2 February 2007 (UTC).
 * Well its not hard to see that as the military might of the Soviet Union began to wavor, suddenly Libya and Nicaragua and so on became a threat to The American Way of Life, then after that ran its course it was drug smugglers (who often had embarrassing connections with the CIA), and as the 1990s rolled around it became "rogue states". LamontCranston (talk) 13:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

"only insider's account"
the intro reads -- he resigned and wrote In Search of Enemies, a book which remains the only detailed, insider's account of a major CIA "covert action." do the writings of phil agee not count in this category also? if so, stockwell's account isn't actually the only such one. 173.3.41.6 (talk) 10:03, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Requested move 7 April 2019

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved to John Stockwell (CIA officer) and made the base name disambiguation page. There's no consensus to move the actor to the base name at this time. (non-admin closure) – Ammarpad (talk) 05:48, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

John Stockwell → John Stockwell (CIA) – Since John Stockwell (actor) is more interesting to readers. --Quiz shows 03:35, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Support John Stockwell → John Stockwell (CIA officer) as well as John Stockwell (disambiguation) → John Stockwell. Positioning as WP:PRIMARYTOPIC does not appear to be warranted. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 04:36, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Support - WP:NOPRIMARY, move DAB per Roman Spinner. "more interesting to readers" is not a WP:CRITERIA given in WP:TITLES, so oppose any move of the actor page. -- Netoholic @ 05:49, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Support. |John_Stockwell_(actor)|John_Stockwell_(murderer) Pageviews indicate John Stockwell (actor) is the WP:primary topic in a WP:TWODABS situation. Note that both "(CIA)" and "(CIA officer)" are used for similar articles; either is acceptable but "(CIA)" is slightly preferable as being more WP:CONCISE. - Station1 (talk) 06:32, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Support move, both "CIA" and "CIA officer" are used for other articles so I don't mind which. Would also support moving John Stockwell (actor) to the base name as he is the clear primary topic based on |John_Stockwell_(actor)|John_Stockwell_(murderer)|John_Stockwell_(disambiguation) long term usage. PC78 (talk) 10:59, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Support move to either "CIA" or "CIA officer." Move disambiguation page to basename, as there seems to be no clear primary topic (e.g. don't move the actor). Paintspot Infez (talk) 21:53, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Support. The actor seems like the primary topic, but that's for another discussion. Nohomersryan (talk) 22:12, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Support John Stockwell (CIA officer). Not a CIA. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:04, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

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Stiff voice

The term stiff voice describes the pronunciation of consonants or vowels with a glottal opening narrower, and the vocal folds stiffer, than occurs in modal voice. Although there is no specific IPA diacritic for stiff voice, the voicing diacritic (a subscript wedge) may be used in conjunction with the symbol for a voiced consonant. In Bru, for example, stiff-voiced vowels have tenseness in the glottis and pharynx without going so far as to be creaky voiced, whereas slack-voiced vowels are lax in the glottis without going so far as to be breathy voice.

One language with stiff voice is Thai:

Javanese contrasts stiff and slack voiced bilabial, dental, retroflex, and velar stops.

Mpi (Loloish) contrasts modals and stiff voice in its vowels. This is not register: for each of the six Mpi tones, a word may have either a modal or stiff-voiced vowel. For example, low tone contrasts blood and  seven.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adam bryant beck

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The result of the debate was delete. Joyous (talk) 01:32, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

Adam bryant beck
Was marked as a speedy but for vanity, so it isn't a candidate. I abstain from voting. CanadianCaesar 07:26, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. His comic strip has four installments, his first film is not yet produced; in short: vanity. -- Marcika 12:10, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete no imdb entry. Dunc|☺ 12:15, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Appears to be a vanity article. --Blu Aardvark | (talk) 12:16, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete non notable vanity. JamesBurns 08:25, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

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Hedo Türkoğlu

Hidayet "Hedo" Türkoğlu (born March 19, 1979) is a Turkish basketball executive and former professional player. A 6 ft forward, Türkoğlu played for six teams in his 15-season career in the National Basketball Association (NBA). He won the NBA's Most Improved Player for the 2007–08 NBA season and played in the NBA Finals for the Magic in 2009. He also played for Turkey's national team in international competition. Türkoğlu has served as president of the Turkish Basketball Federation since October 2016.

Efes Pilsen (1996–2000)
Türkoğlu joined Efes Pilsen (now known as Anadolu Efes) in 1996 and played four seasons with the team. He averaged 8.4 points on 58 percent shooting in 50 games in the EuroLeague. Türkoğlu helped the team reach the 2000 EuroLeague Final Four, averaging 13.6 points, 4.6 rebounds, and 2.7 assists, in 22 games.

Sacramento Kings (2000–2003)
Türkoğlu was selected by the Sacramento Kings with the 16th pick of the 2000 NBA draft. He was the first Turkish-born player in NBA history. He played alongside other European stars such as Vlade Divac and Peja Stojaković.

Turkoglu received votes for the NBA Sixth Man of the Year Award following the 2001–02 season, when he averaged 10.1 points and 4.5 rebounds per game.

San Antonio Spurs (2003–2004)
During the 2003 offseason, Türkoğlu was traded to the San Antonio Spurs along with Ron Mercer in a three-team trade. The trade also sent Brad Miller to the Kings and Scot Pollard and Danny Ferry to the Pacers. Türkoğlu played one season with the Spurs and averaged 9.2 points on a career-high 42 percent three-point shooting.

Orlando Magic (2004–2009)
Türkoğlu joined the Orlando Magic in 2004. He scored a career-high 39 points twice: in an April 2007 game against the Toronto Raptors, and in a March 2008 game against the Washington Wizards.

On April 28, 2008, Türkoğlu was named the NBA's Most Improved Player for the 2007–08 NBA season. The Magic won 52 games that season, and Türkoğlu averaged career-highs in points per game (19.5), rebounds per game (5.7), and assists per game (5.0) and started all 82 regular-season games.

In the 2008–09 NBA season, Türkoğlu helped the Magic reach the NBA Finals for the first time since 1995. He led the Magic with 18.0 points per game in the Finals. However, they lost in five games to the Los Angeles Lakers. Türkoğlu decided to opt out of his contract after the season.

Toronto Raptors (2009–2010)
On July 9, 2009, Türkoğlu was signed and traded to the Toronto Raptors as a part of a four-team deal among the Toronto Raptors, Orlando Magic, Dallas Mavericks and Memphis Grizzlies, which also included Shawn Marion. As part of the deal, the Magic received cash considerations from Dallas and Toronto as compensation.

On March 28, 2010, Türkoğlu was a healthy scratch for the Raptors, his first benching since March 10, 2006, when he was still an Orlando Magic player. This was a disciplinary measure, after he was spotted by fans out late in a nightclub in the Yorkville district of Toronto, immediately after missing a game due to a stomach virus. The fans wrote staff within the Raptors organization, who then notified management and coaching staff, leading to the punishment.

On May 29, 2010, Türkoğlu said in a television interview in Turkey that he felt he was wronged by the Raptors' management and wanted to leave Toronto.

Phoenix Suns (2010)
On July 14, 2010, he was traded to the Phoenix Suns for Leandro Barbosa and Dwayne Jones.

Return to Orlando (2010–2014)
On December 18, 2010, Türkoğlu was traded back to the Orlando Magic along with Jason Richardson and Earl Clark for Vince Carter, Marcin Gortat, Mickaël Piétrus, a 2011 first-round draft pick, and $3 million cash. On February 13, 2013, Türkoğlu was suspended for 20 games after testing positive for methenolone. Türkoğlu said that he received medicine containing methenolone from a trainer in Turkey, though he did not know it was a banned substance.

On January 3, 2014, Türkoğlu was waived by the Magic. He did not appear for them in the 2013–14 season.

Los Angeles Clippers (2014–2015)
On January 16, 2014, Türkoğlu signed with the Los Angeles Clippers for the rest of the 2013–14 season. On January 18, he made his Clippers debut. In 13 minutes he recorded 4 points, 2 rebounds and 1 assist in a 92–106 loss to the Indiana Pacers.

On September 12, 2014, he re-signed with the Clippers.

International career
Türkoğlu was a member of the Turkish national team which won a silver medal at EuroBasket 2001. He averaged 15.5 points per game in the tournament.

Türkoğlu was named to the preliminary roster for the 2006 World Championship. However, he declined the invitation.

In 2009, Türkoğlu was a member of the Turkish national team which finished in eighth place at the EuroBasket in Poland. One year later, Turkoglu participated in the 2010 FIBA World Championship, in his home country of Turkey. The Turkish national team finished with the silver medal, having beaten every team except for Team USA, the champions. Türkoğlu averaged 12.3 points, 4.2 rebounds, and 3.4 assists per game. At the 2011 EuroBasket, and the 2013 EuroBasket, he averaged 10.6 and 7.3 points per game, respectively.

In March 2014, Türkoğlu retired from international basketball.

Post-playing career
On November 13, 2015, Türkoğlu announced his retirement after 15 seasons playing in the NBA. He was subsequently appointed CEO of the Turkish Basketball Federation.

On March 15, 2016, the Turkish press reported that President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan appointed Türkoğlu as one of his senior advisers.

Personal life
Türkoğlu was born on March 19, 1979, in the Gaziosmanpaşa district of Istanbul, Turkey. His parents are Bosniaks born in the village of Lažani, in central North Macedonia, and he is fluent in Bosnian. He is a Muslim. His parents are Bosniaks from Sjenica, Serbia, who, after moving from Serbia to Turkey, changed their surname from Ramićević (Рамићевић) to Türkoğlu, which translates as "Turkish son". He speaks Serbian fluently.

Türkoğlu and his wife, Banu, welcomed their first daughter in February 2009. The couple's second daughter was born in April 2013.

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Portal talk:United States/Featured

Is there an established procedure to rotate the Featured article? --Irpen 07:28, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Darth Nihilus

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The result of the debate was keep.  Grue  19:39, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Darth Nihilus
Too unbacked and speculative. --138.130.213.165 07:28, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep. Encyclopedic.  Also, Nihilus is a major character in the game and arguably, a notable figure in fictional Star Wars universe. --Kross 08:13, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep. The person who started this vfd's IP is strangely similar to that of the IPs that I listed on vandalism in progress, who repeatedly ressurected the Kae article after several deletes, among other things. And, as we can see from this person's edit history, they've messed with the archived vfd for Darth Traya several times. This is, simply put, a case of someone continuing to be a nuisance. --Nufy8 14:58, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep. 'Unbacked and speculative'? Bull. --Maru 03:52, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Discussion formerly contained here moved to talk page
 * Comment. Star Wars characters are notable, but that doesn't tell us whether it should be described in detail or just merged elsewhere. The article doesn't help because it reads like an article from a fictional encyclopedia about a real subject rather than an article from a real encyclopedia about a fictional subject.  Yeah, it says it's a fictional character up front but then it immediately ignores that context.  Where and how was all the detailed information about this character revealed?  In game dialogue?  In a text-scroll prologue before play starts?  In a little printed insert included with the game cartridge?  Does this character only exist in this game, or has he been used in other media?  If he only exists as a figure in the game with some expository details thrown in here and there, the character really should be merged into the game article because he has no independent existence.  Considering how the game article just makes a reference to him under the header "Other characters met along the way," he can't even be all that important to the game no matter how many details the game creators decided to flesh him out with.  I'm struggling to see why we should give it such in-depth coverage.  --Postdlf 03:59, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Cruft. Less notable than a wookie onscreen for 45 frames of the last movie. --SchmuckyTheCat 19:56, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. If a major character in a piece of Star Wars media that nearly wipes out something as important to the Star Wars universe as Jedi is non notable, then we have a boatload of articles that need deleting. --Nufy8 21:22, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Comment - Darth Traya was actually the one who wanted the jedi destroyed and aided this assult the most. Nihilus hardly ever appears in the game, and when he does, it is rather briefly. And also, he was never actually against the 'jedi' so to speak. He hated everything and anything that had life.
 * And in hating all life, he managed to nearly destroy every Jedi. Traya may have wanted to destroy the Jedi as well, which serves her own notability, but Nihilus was more instrumental in taking action against them. Nufy8 17:53, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete. This 'Darth Nihilus' seems to be rather unimportant in the story, and should be deleted. He is not that important in the storyline, and plays about in total maybe 7 minutes in the game. That is why i vote for strong delete. Both this unsigned vote and above comment were made by User:138.130.213.165
 * Absent further showing that this character is more important, trim down the content to the essentials, merge content to both the article on the game and also List of minor Sith characters, and then redirect to the latter. That list article already includes other characters only found in this game or others; why not this one too?  Postdlf 03:05, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Unprovoked Attack on User 138.130.213.165. I would just like to say to 'Nufy8' that although i did in fact want the Master Kae article to stay, and did not realize there was a deletion policy in place which stopped repeated votes for deletion, i would like everyone who visits this page to hear this. I categorically deny that this is an act of vandalism. How dare you critisize me! This is a legitimate vote for deletion, so don't assume i am causing trouble. you are the one doing that! and your preliminary assumptions are unwarranted and do not justify your saying 'strong keep'!. you only say that (according to wikipedia policy) if you want to keep something! Now i would like this page to continue with genuine people posting their opinions, like i did just above. not personal degradation.

 * Personal attacks:, . POV nonsense: . Blanking vandalism: , , , , . Other nonsense: , , . And please, don't tell me you didn't know deletion policy after it was deleted twice and you decided to start it up again under a slightly different name. Nufy8 16:46, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable! --Neigel von Teighen 16:52, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Comment Ha irony it seems that Darth Sion has a deletion page too. User:Psi edit
 * Signature false, comment actually by User:208.186.56.57.
 * Strong Keep Revolución 02:11, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Merge per Postdlf. Concurrence by The Literate Engineer 02:45, 22 July 2005 (UTC).

Why should this article be deleted? Because some fool has a grudge against charcters not from the movie. You people who claim he has a limited amount of time on screen in the game are totally correct, but so did boba fett in the trilogy, so why isn't he being considered for deletion? Nihilus is an interesting figure, who deserves to be kept. Deleting him isn't going to solve the problem, because avid fans will just rewrite the article again. This is a free informational website, if people want to come here and read an article about Darth Nihilus, that is their privilege, and that is what makes this website so great. So to make a long story short, who the hell do you people who vote for delete think you are, you are not the gods of computer-land, don't ruin good things for everyone else, because you have hairs accross your asses about something as harmless as a character from a popular game. I mean honestly, why do you care, let the Damn article stay in place. I vote STRONG KEEP.
 * Nufy8 is a LIAR. An interesting list you have accumulated nufy. I may have made some of those mistakes, taking the dark road of vandalism. but now you hold against me past actions which i am trying to forget! i know low, but not your level! now, instead of picking on the newbie, why don't you mind your own business when i make legitimate votes for deletion. stop being a nosy, lowlife, with-holding, decrepit fool! shut your mouth and stop being a pessimistic dictator! i mean it.
 * As he vandalizes my user page thirty minutes later. Brilliant. Nufy8 14:18, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep as per Votes for deletion/Darth Sion. Being "too unbacked and speculative" is at most a reason for rewriting the article, but not for deletion. - Sikon 10:40, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep If this article is wrong then Darth Sion's article is wrong. -- Psi edit redid signature because I didnt log in the first time
 *  Strong Keep Major player in the universe, even though he doesn't appear in the game too much. He did come kind of close to annihilating life in the SW galaxy. Oh, and 138.130.213.165, if you consider the vandalism to be behind you, what is with making unsigned votes and comments on a VfD page you started? Seems pretty underhanded to me. Superiority 13:17, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I think you're judging importance by the wrong standards here. A fictional subject is not important simply because he's depicted doing important or dramatic things within the fiction.  If a book merely happens to mention that within its story, that the President is William Smith, that doesn't make William Smith an important character by encyclopedic standards even though that's an important role within the fictional world.  On the other hand, if numerous films and books all portray the same janitor with whom the protagonist has hearty conversations every day he leaves from work, that character may be important for our considerations even though he isn't important except as an acquaintance within the fictional world itself.  Here we're talking about a character that "doesn't appear...too much" in the only game in which he is portrayed.  That all Star Wars characters have some minimal level of notability due to the fanbase and pervasiveness of the media is why all reference to the character shouldn't just be outright deleted.  But that the character only appears in one work (one video game, at that, not a major motion picture), and doesn't even sound very central to that work, is a strong argument for summary treatment rather than a lengthy, independent article.  Postdlf 01:19, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Point taken. However, within the game, although Nihilus himself does not feature so much, his actions are quite important, he did almost destroy the planet that the Exile (player character) was on at the time, and so is rather important in that respect. My main point was basically the "Comment If a major character" posted by Nufy8 above. He is central to the plot though, though it does not revolve around him, and he is mentioned in the very title of the game. I wouldn't oppose a merge and redirect though. --Superiority 09:52, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Just to Clarify. If you think that was an act of vandalsism it wasn't. I realise, as you do, that there is a system which displays the fact that i wrote a post. That is why i don't think it is vandalsim. you know when i am writing, so there is no deception! i have a right to post comments as well. and i only entered one strong delete because i get to express my opionion once as well. and even though it wont be counted, at least i got to write what was on my mind.
 * I would imagine people would think more highly of you if you put for reasons for putting it on VfD at the top, rather than making such unsigned comments. And I didn't say it was vandalism, I jsut said it seemed rather underhanded. It's not too hard to sign it, just add ~ at the end, or press the signature button at the top (alt text is "Your signature with timestamp"). --Superiority 09:52, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Despite a short amount of screen time and little dialogue in the original trilogy, Boba Fett obviously became an extremely well known and popular character (even well outside the bounds of the dedicated Star Wars canon followers), as is reflected in the numerous non-Star Wars references to the character in other media (some of which are described in the article). His action figure was one of the most popular, he has been substantially portrayed in other Star Wars media outside the movies, and Lucas gave him and his father a very prominent role in the second prequel.  There's simply no comparison to the obscurity of Nihilus.  The Boba Fett article is actually pretty good, btw, because it sources character information to specific works of fiction and describes it in terms of those.  Postdlf 18:35, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Just as a point of curiosity, why hasn't Darth Traya been nominated for deletion while Nihilus and Sion have? - Jon Hart
 * I agree why hasnt it? It was marked for deletion earlier but for a different reason.
 * Strong Keep Although Darth Nihilus may not appear in KOTOR 2:The Sith Lords until closer to the end, the player (it is a RPG!!!) is consumed with the impending meeting throughout gameplay. Nihilus is a major character in the Expanded Universe and as such, deserves a unique entry. Exile 1138
 * Keep. There needs to be an article about Darth Nihilus. Though I believe some of the content needs to be updated to provide a better round out description and happenings of this character, but to delete this article would be foolish.  Someone would create another one and go through the whole process again.  I say keep this article and perform the necessary changes as needed.  -LifeStar

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jelly donut

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Joyous (talk) 01:30, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

Jelly donut
''Finishing someone else's nomination. Although, if I may say so, this looks like a hoax; the original version had the word "fictional". A deletion is probably in order, but I haven't researched (would not like that Google search if it is), so no vote. --Dmcdevit·t 07:29, July 17, 2005 (UTC)''
 * Delete - a Google search for Jelly Donut does not show that this neologism has caught on as the early pages of the search show no reference to it. This obviously shows verifiability problems and the practices described in it are not very credible. The Google hits show more currency to an urban myth that President Kennedy's famous statement "Ich bin ein Berliner" means "I am a jelly donut."  Capitalistroadster 07:42, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Just another misogynist trying to be creative.  Re: Kennedy, it's funny, my German teacher told me that same yarn.  Postdlf 10:42, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Unfunniest crap I've seen in a while. Lomedae 13:06, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, then make into a redirect to doughnut. -- BD2412 talk 14:47, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, but: the real tragedy here is that there is no article about jelly donuts, the high-calorie american pastry.  I'd support rewriting this article to focus on that instead. Nandesuka 17:53, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Ick. Delete and redirect to doughnut per BD2412.  Dcarrano 18:05, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Gross, but not much more so than Dirty Sanchez and cleveland steamer, etc.. which have articles. A similar definition is present in UrbanDictionary. I think the artcle should be moved and Jelly Donut should redirect to doughnut so someone doesn't stumble upon this by accident. P0per 19:56, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect to Ich bin ein Berliner. --Angr/undefined 06:48, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete not encyclopedic. JamesBurns 08:23, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Battle of Guadalete

Edit Wars
I am going to change the troop numbers to "unknown". To assume that the Arabs had only 7,000 men is incrediably stupid because in a few years time the invasion of 732 in France had an expedition force of between 30,000 and 80,000 men and the 80,000 men figure was given by Muslim sources. This battle is not the only article suffering from extreme bias - the battles in the Byzantine-Arab Wars also mention ridiculous numbers.

If there were 80,000 men after this battle, then there must have been much more before because in any campaign, troop numbers naturally decrease due to disease and battle casualties. The Arab Armies at the time or any armies of any time do not ever include 7,000 Rambo's with guns beating thousands of "enemies". Tourskin 00:11, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

 * But were there 80,000 men after this battle? Ancient historians more often overestimate than underestimate army strengths, see Delbrück's opening chapter in his series on military history (it should be in the first volume regardless of the edition). Jacob Haller 00:43, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

 * Conquering a country with 7,000 troops, even if they were armed with Rocket-machine guns, is impossible. Logistically speaking, 7000 cannot take a country. The end?Tourskin (talk) 19:40, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

 * 7.000 troops are a lot. When you say "take a country", are you tinking of a "modern and united country"? That was in 711 while the Visigothic state was almost broken down. Besides, what about Musa ibn Nusair and his reinforcements. So, those figures are about Guadalete/La Janda battle, not about the conquest of the Iberian peninsula. The conquest itself is onother story. Moreover, for the battle and during the conquest the invaders counted on strong internal support.(Threshold (talk) 11:13, 18 July 2008 (UTC))

On the other hand, 80.000 thousand Muslim troops in France? Who is seriously supporting that? It would have meant some 2 per cent of the whole Iberian population (just a rough estimation), and, by the way, by that time the Muslims would have accounted for well below 2 per cent of it. It took centuries for the original population to accept the new religion. In any case there is no connection at all between the two situations. Think about it, there is not any trustable written references on the subject; all we can do is to rely on demography and indirect historical clues. (Threshold (talk) 11:13, 18 July 2008 (UTC))

 * How do you suppose 7,000 men can occupy a country? Think in logistics!!! You need to place troops in strategic areas to guard certain bridges and passways. You need troops to act as scouts, troops as vanguards, rearguards. You need troops all over the country to collect taxes from the villages. The entire country did not unconditionally surrender. Nowadays, you can conquer a united modern country with 7,000 men, weakening your argument, by launching a coup de'tat. But there are no lines of communications, no transport no electronics to help let the population know you rule. Furthermore, there were 80,000 men in southern France at the Battle of Tours, Islamic sources say so themselves! I have the references, by Grant:

Tourskin (talk) 17:53, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Not at all. It has been estimated that for much of the Roman occupation of Iberia there was one legion and fewer than 400 officials to manage the whole peninsula. All that is needed is for your army to be the biggest in the area, regardless of whether it is 2000 or 20000. Then you send your tax collector to get taxes with the implicit threat that if the locals don't pay up the army will be there promptly. They pay up. The idea of a personnel-intensive occupation is a modern notion, in ancient times it didn't work that way. The Visigoths were not numerous and had little to no loyalty from Iberian locals. To put it bluntly, most Iberians didn't care who collected the taxes, Visigoths or Arabs. There was no local resistance or guerilla war. The Visigothic royalty was decapitated in one fell swoop and the Arabs just took over the machinery of state. It was an opportunistic conquest apparently. Probably the Arabs were just as surprised as you are that it worked. Jroo222 (talk) 16:00, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Muslim troops numbers
Why are some of you refusing to believe that the Muslim army was composed of nearly 7000? This army did not conquer the whole of Spain. It was sent with purpose of conducting raids and exploring the territory before the main Muslim invasion force arrived. They were forced to engage the Visigoths at the Battle of Guadalete, where they managed to bribe a part of the enemy army to their side, and won a victory, leaving Visigothic Spain in turmoil and disorder. They simply resupplied themselves from farms and villages which they raided, and continued their way to the north of Spain. They did not levy taxes on settlements and impose a system of government because it was not possible. After Guadalete, the Muslims were reinforced by troops from Syria, who engaged and captured the Visigoth fortresses that Tariq had bypassed due of his low troop numbers (see timeline of Ummayad conquest of Hispania). A year later, Musa ibn Nusair, the governor of Morocco, arrived with an invasion force of nearly 18,000 troops. As the Muslims continued their strings of successes in Iberia, more and more reinforcements arrived, giving the 30000-80000 soldiers that participated in the Battle of Poitiers. It's perfectly reasonable. Sherif Mohamed 10:30, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Troop numbers for the article should simply be quoted from sources, if there are any troop numbers in any sources, and, avoiding the sensibilities of hobbyists and reenactors, simply left at that.--Wetman (talk) 21:18, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * To my knowledge the only source for the battle of any reliability is the Chronicle of 754. All the Arabic sources are later (and often geographically distant) and legendary. All the other Christian sources are also late and legend-filled. Collins considers the numbers 7,000–12,000 to be fiction, since the Arabic source which gives it pegs the Goths at 100,000. Anyways, Collins suspects the actual figure of invaders to be about half that, since it began as a raid. There is no evidence to suggest the Visigoths could have raised a large army even if united, so a large Arabic force would hardly have been needed. As for the participation of Jews in battle: legend, just like the existence of count Julian and his daughter Florinda. Of course, the legends must be covered as fully as the history, but we need to make it clear what support exists for what stories. Srnec (talk) 21:55, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Why is the participation of Jews legend? They faced great extermination from their Visigothic overlords and had very good reason to assist the invaders. While the Muslims were still campaigning in Iberia, the garrisons they set up in some of the settlements they captured comprised mostly of Jews, because there was no doubt of their loyalty. Arabic sources state that Tariq was supplied with guides and even troops from this Count Julian. If true this gives more cause as to why and how Tariq won the battle. Sherif Mohamed 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It is easy to understand how Tariq won the battle: the kingdom itself was divided in two by a disputed succession (and probagly violent assassination-usurpation), Roderic faced opposition at Toledo (his erstwhile capital), the Gothic nobility was small in number, and it was easy for the Arabs and Berbers to decimate this tiny governing class when it was so divided. This is all speculation based on the best sources, not the later Arabic sources. The Chronicle of 754 is the best source for this period of Spanish history. It mentions neither Julian nor Jews. Srnec (talk) 03:38, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Please try to understand how discussions work around here. We can't understand what you're thinking or what you believe without explaining your position. And we can't accept your position without providing us with evidence. The only accepted currency of evidence are reliable sources. Of which you have none, so we can assume nothing at this point until reliable non biased sources say otherwise than ridiculous results like "100,000 Goths defeated by 7,000 Muslims". Let me say this to those religious fanatics - if God was on the side of the Moors, why would he need 7,000 men? Why not just 30 men!!! Or no men at all!!!!! Tourskin (talk) 18:05, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * There is too much reliance on Roger Collins and his obsession with the Chronicle of 754. The Chronicle contains much useful information about the history of Spain after the departure of Tariq and Musa, perhaps obtained at first or second hand; but for the actual invasion and Battle of Guadalete and other episodes involving Tariq and Musa it is very sketchy indeed. Although written within living memory of those events, they seem not to have fallen into the time which most interested the writer, which began perhaps a decade or more later. MisterCDE (talk) 12:16, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Collins's The Arab Conquest of Spain is the preeminent English work on the subject, is it not? The word "obsession" suggests you disagree with Collins, which is fine, but without secondary sources cited it is impossible to work with this comment. Is there an author, writing in English or Spanish, to which I could go (not already cited) to find an argument for the importance of the historical works Collins rejects for our understanding of this battle? Srnec (talk) 04:30, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Warning re the sources
Many of the primary sources for the history of Spain in this period are unreliable and contradictory. So there are schools of historical opinion, rather than settled facts. The article cites the Chronicle of 754, but that contains very little about the battle and overall conquest, and what it does contain seems in general unreliable, unlike later parts of the Chronicle. See the latest critical Latin edition (with Spanish translation and introductory essays): J. Eduardo Lopez Pereira, Continuatio Isidoriana Hispana Cronica Mozarabe de 754. Fuentes y Estudios de Historia Leonesa 127. León, 2009. As a consequence of this reliance on the Chronicle, the article must depend heavily on the interpretations of Roger Collins, but these are not universally accepted. For the particular period of the initial invasion, his own reliance on the Chronicle and disregard of other sources is idiosyncratic rather than definitive ... as are the ideas of Joaquin Vallve which, although intellectually stimulating, are now considered more in the nature of red herrings than true leads.

Regarding the many debates above re numbers in the various armies, it would be wise to remember that as early as the 14th century, Ibn Khaldun expressed scepticism about the numbers he was reading in medieval battle histories. MisterCDE (talk) 12:38, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

RE: undo revision by Smec
The revision by Smec re-introduced statements which were plainly wrong, or unreferenced, or otherwise less than ideal. For example:
 * "According to legend, Tariq burned his ships ...". I am familiar with most primary sources, both Arabic and Spanish, and I can find nowhere this is stated. Not the Mozarabic Chronicle stated to be the primary source for the battle, not al-Maqqari (who includes all the sources he was aware of).
 * "The Chronicle of 741 is a near-contemporary Hispanic source, but it is a copy of the Mozarabic Chronicle for the eighth century and contains no original material pertaining to the battle." How can a chronicle written in 741 be a copy of one written in 754?? Anyway, it is not a copy, as can easily be seen by comparing the texts of the two. See the Wikipedia articles on these for references to editions of the texts, and also what the two chronicles are about. I repeat now: the Chronicle of 741 contains NO mention of this battle.
 * "According to Paul the Deacon, Ṭāriq left from ..." No doubt Paul said that, but it is important to note that the same is reported by every other source Latin or Arabic which mentions Tariq crossing the strait i.e. this is not a fact about which there is controversy. Paul is probably the earliest source, but that should be in a footnote.
 * "Alchadra" is some Latin mishmash which means nothing ... the Arabic name is al-Khadra ... which is why I used "Alkhadra", to match "Ilyan".

In my view, the whole article needs rewriting. There is much valuable summary of many primary sources, but also some glaring errors as shown by the statement "The primary source for the battle is the Mozarabic Chronicle". This chronicle contains, in the latest Latin edition, less than 10 lines about the initial invasion by the Arab-Berber army. A single sentence mentions a battle, probably this one. One sentence! and that only mentions a locality (and that Tariq won). That is not a primary source for the battle. In addition, the article attempts to cover topics outside the battle, such as biographical material on Tariq and Musa, and bibliographic information about, for instance, the Mozarabic Chronicle, when there are Wikipedia articles on all these. I notice some reference to some modern opinions that Tariq might have been Jewish ... this sort of mere speculation (because you won't find it in any medieval sources) is right out of place here.

So really, the article should be rewritten with material from primary sources mentioned first, and sticking to the battle itself (which may include preliminaries such as the crossing of the strait, and some mention of consequences). Then the article can finish with modern studies of the battle, which as I've stated in another section above, are just schools of opinion rather than definitive. MisterCDE (talk) 13:23, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

 * "According to legend, Tariq burned his ships..." See here for an English explanation of the legend. It is found all over the place, including in academic works. It originates in al-Idrisi, see José Antonio Conde's translation from 1799, pp. 37–38. The source of this legend has now been made clear.
 * "How can a chronicle written in 741 be a copy of one written in 754?" These are not simple works. There are passages about the 8th century in the former chronicle that appear to be either derived from the same source as similar passages in the latter chronicle or to be interpolations copied from the latter (post-741). I have re-worded this statement, since I agree that it is wrong as it stands.
 * "No doubt Paul said that, but it is important to note that the same is reported by every other source Latin or Arabic which mentions Tariq crossing the strait." Does every source mention Septem and Calpe? I think it is important to make our sources clear, since many of them are full of legends, including legends widely propagated but totally false, at least one of which you weren't even aware of.
 * "Alchadra" is not a mishmash, it is a Latinisation, just as "al-Khadra" is an Anglicisation. It is perfectly acceptable, the source used, in this case Collins, probably uses "Alchadra", and so I have reverted you. I would not push this one, though.
 * What would a person unfamiliar with Arabic make of "Alchadra" ... "Al-shadra"? "Al-tchadra"? Better to have something which is at least likely to be pronounced correctly. MisterCDE (talk) 12:27, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * "This sort of mere speculation ... is right out of place here." Actually it is not, since Wikipedia is based on secondary, not primary, sources.
 * I disagree with you about article scope, and many other things, primarily because I know what this article used to look like. If you want to edit it you should avoid editorialising and back up your statements with secondary sources. Srnec (talk) 00:59, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Well I have no intention of starting an edit war. But I must disagree with you on a number of points particularly to do with the Chronicles of 741 and 754. I re-iterate that the 741 Chronicle contains nothing whatsoever related to this battle, and thus it is completely wrong to even mention it. That it contains a sentence or so ... on unrelated subjects ... in common with the 754 Chronicle merely points to a common source. And I re-iterate that the 754 Chronicle contains only a very brief mention of the location of the battle and its outcome, confined to a single sentence, so that any reliance on it in this article is completely misplaced (whereas its content on later events decades after the battle is most valuable). Maybe Wikipedia is based on secondary sources, but there is a large number of references to primary sources in the article. Let's get them right. MisterCDE (talk) 12:27, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * "[T]hus it is completely wrong to even mention [the chronicle of 741]." I disagree, telling the reader what are and are not sources is valuable, as you can see from the al-Idrisi legend. "[A]ny reliance on [the chronicle of 754] in this article is completely misplaced". Yes, if the article is using it directly, but not at all if the article is citing reliable sources that are relying on the chronicle, and is accurately interpreting those (secondary) sources. Srnec (talk) 02:06, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Tarik took troops from Morocco to Hispania?
Morocco in 711? Could you explain that? It seems a bit confusing!

 * Hello random person, when they say Morocco, they mean the geographical region where the nation of Morocco sits today — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cresatopi1 (talk • contribs) 22:08, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Legacy encoding

Useless article
"Legacy encoding" is not "Unicode terminology." There is no such phrased defined or recognized by The Unicode Standard or Unicode Technical Reports. It is merely the adjective 'legacy' being used to qualify the word 'encoding.' You could have just linked it like this rather than creating a redundant article:

The definition in Wiktionary could stand to be expanded to reflect current usage, though. — mjb 07:33, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * by unicode terminolgy i meant the terminology they use and seem to have introduced even if they don't formally define it. There is currently very little computer related at legacy and certainly nothing mentioning character encodings. Unicode use the term in a way that seems to be based on the belief that if its not unicode its obsolete/legacy even though those encodings are still in active use and some of them have even been added or changed since unicode was introduced so they don't really fit the dictionary definition of legacy imo. If you belive that this information can be incorporated in the wikitionary article without hugely bloating it/taking it offtopic then go ahead and merge this into it. Plugwash 10:43, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't feel strongly enough about it to nominate this article for deletion, and I'm not going to try to throw the "Wikipedia is not a dictionary" rulebook at you; it's just that, well, giving 'legacy something-or-other' its own article sort of artificially inflates the topic's depth. I mean, once it has its own article, you can then talk about it at length, as was done in legacy system, legacy code, legacy support, and legacy preferences (found those listed on the legacy disambig page), but the 'legacy' aspect of these topics is all essentially the same general concept, and the need for the topics to be explored in their own articles pretty much goes away if the word 'legacy' is explained well enough. As we have both said, the Wiktionary definition of legacy needs to be expanded to capture the nuances of these various scenarios. I'd rather have seen your efforts devoted there rather than here. Wiktionary needs a lot of help, IMHO. — mjb 18:25, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

 * As a technical term, it is undefined. As a biased speech (usually advertizing Unicode) it is not notable. I agree, it is a useless article almost without links, and references that do exist are confusing and misleading like “converting to and from a large number of legacy encodings” (from mined (text editor)). Encodings are classified by code point size: 7 bit, 8 bit, 16 bit, Unicode (may require different programming environments and API) and by compatibility: ASCII compatible, partially ASCII compatible and ASCII incompatible (these are different in processing e.g. in text editors and E-mail). Is there a separate problem with supporting of so named legacy encodings like e.g. supporting of legacy scripts (with unavailable fonts etc.)? There is not. We even does not need Wiktionary here, links such as “legacy encoding” would be appropriate in some cases, and this article should be transferred to a small paragraph in the character encoding article, redirected and forgotten. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 08:12, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Digraphs
Why has no legacy encoding a single byte for a digraph? --84.61.63.97 17:04, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Land of the Dinosaurs speaks
Shouldn't the list include ASCII? It' still the fastest way to get something small done quickly. Including a note that it is subsumed into Unicode/UTF-8?

Also BCD encoding is presumably still in a whole bunch of archives around the world. Franamax 09:31, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The article doesn't need a laundry list. The source cited says that any character encoding that preceded Unicode is a legacy encoding. Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 17:37, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

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Donaldson's School

Donaldson's School is Scotland's national school for the deaf. Originally situated in Edinburgh, it moved to a new location in Linlithgow in 2008. It is a residential and day school that provides education, therapy and care for pupils who are deaf or who have communication difficulties.

The school's foundation, 1851
Donaldson's School was founded in 1851 and was housed in the Donaldson's Hospital Building in West Coates, Edinburgh. The school and building were paid for by Sir James Donaldson (1751–1830), who, for a time, was publisher of the Edinburgh Advertiser. The original benefaction was that there should be 200 boys and 200 girls, with special bursaries for poor children. Not all were deaf, although applications on behalf of deaf children were encouraged. From 1938, pupils were exclusively deaf. This benefaction was similar in style to the benefaction of George Watson, who founded and supported other schools in Edinburgh.

In 1938, Donaldson's School absorbed the Royal Institute for Deaf and Dumb, Edinburgh, which had been founded in 1824. The institute's headquarters in Henderson Row subsequently became part of the Edinburgh Academy.

Donaldson's Hospital Building, Edinburgh
The 1851 A-listed Donaldson's Hospital building in Edinburgh was designed by architect William Henry Playfair in the Jacobethan style. The building is built round a quadrangle in Tudor style with large corner towers which themselves are each made up of four smaller towers. Queen Victoria opened the building in 1850 and is reputed to have said that the building was more impressive than many of her own palaces.

After more than 150 years in the Playfair building, Donaldson's finally concluded that the building was no longer fit for purpose. Many of the rooms were no longer in use, classrooms were unable to use the latest educational technology and the trust could no longer afford to maintain the building. In 2003 the school's building was put up for sale and was purchased by Scottish property developer Cala Homes for £22 million, although the school continued to have use of the building until they moved out in 2008.

In 2015 City and Country, a property developer, submitted plans to develop the Donaldson's Hospital building and the East and West Gatehouses into luxury residential accommodation. Cala Homes also submitted a plan to build a new crescent of luxury residential accommodation at the rear of the building.

Donaldson's School, Linlithgow, 2008
A new, purpose-built Donaldson's campus opened at Preston Road (EH49 6HZ) in Linlithgow in January 2008. The new campus had facilities for up to 120 pupils. As a national Grant Aided Special School supported by the Scottish Government, the central location of the new site made the facilities more accessible to pupils from all over Scotland and the north of England.

The new Donaldson's School was developed in collaboration with staff, pupils, governors, acousticians and architects. It was built with a focus on energy efficiency and the environment. Shared teaching, sports and dining facilities formed a hub linking two teaching wings – the primary and secondary schools. Both schools were grouped around individual play spaces with links and views across the surrounding area. Facilities included a gym, swimming pool, fitness room, dining room, library, and assembly hall as well as an art studio. Classrooms, each of which accommodated six pupils, feature soundfield systems and interactive whiteboards. Donaldson's Lodge (residential accommodation) had 24 rooms placed in a separate building at the edge of the site in Linlithgow.

Donaldson's uses British Sign Language, Signed Supported English and spoken English, and caters for children and young people from five to 18 years. The curriculum is delivered by an interdisciplinary team of specialist teachers who are supported by specialist learning support assistants and residential care workers, providing round the clock education and care. The team includes: specialist teachers; speech and language therapists; a physiotherapist; and an occupational therapist.

Laura Battles was appointed Principal and chief executive officer of Donaldson's in October 2014. In 2015 she announced that the school had been incurring losses for several years and that the nursery section of the school would close.

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