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User talk:John Greer

Welcome!

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Hi there, great work on the License Raj. You may be interested in looking up other Economy of India articles. Regards. pamri 14:09, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

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User talk:Samchallis

Welcome from Redwolf24
Welcome!

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Good work
Good work so far - thanks for your contributions. Would you like to have a look at the history of British socialism article? I'm sure your areas of knowledge could add useful information to it. Warofdreams 16:26, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, will have a look at that asap Samchallis 14:37, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steven Summers

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 07:21, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Steven Summers
Subject of the page seems to be unremarkable Manik Raina 14:11, 14 July 2005 (UTC) This is great stuff. It has potential.
 * Delete vanitycruft. Friday 14:33, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Unsigned comment by User:202.6.138.33.--Scimitar parley 16:47, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete Text-book vanity. --Scimitar parley 16:47, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Stephen Sommers; this is nn/vanity. Dcarrano 20:28, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn vanity. I trust this guy is not Steve "Sex" Summers, the lead singer of Pretty Boy Floyd.  ;P --Etacar11 00:54, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

This article is amazing. It should win the nobel prize for liturature. (Unsigned comment by ) This is a very important article for the wikipedia community. Keep it. (Unsigned comment by )
 * Delete non notable vanity. JamesBurns 03:27, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete has also made Daz Daz. A complete joke. --DNicholls 10:33, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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User talk:Tony1

During my years at the Signpost I authored or co-authored 266 articles, including one that the WMF republished on their site. But I recommend no one bother subscribing to it now—the standards are very low.

Errors in date style "fixes"
Hi Tony. Can I ask you to be careful when doing date style fixes, not to "fix" date ranges when there are mulltiple date ranges in close proximity to one another. This typically happens with football seasons, for example. Specifically, in this edit, "their five-year winning streak in the championship between 1984–85 and 1988-89" is correct and "between 1984 and 1985 and 1988–89" is wrong; "Steaua managed a six consecutive championship streak between 1992–93 and 1997–98" is right and "between 1992 and 1993 and 1997–98" is wrong; "to make it to the Champions League group stage three years in a row between 1994–95 and 1996–97" is correct and "between 1994 and 1995 and 1996–97" is wrong. Scolaire (talk) 17:28, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

By the way, why do you not link to your talk page archives? It would be useful for me to find out whether this has been brought to your attention before. Scolaire (talk) 17:33, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Shipwreck lists
Please do not unlink flags in lists of shipwrecks or ship launches. There are hundreds of these lists and established practice is that the flags link. Mjroots (talk) 06:22, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Noam Bettan
Hello, could you help me give more notoriety to the article Noam Bettan if you have them but they opened this query hastily. Acartonadooopo (talk) 04:42, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

April 19, 2024
Hello, this is Winter. I have noticed that some of your script assisted edits have not followed the documentation stated by infobox company. You are spamming these edits without properly reviewing what they are doing. Please take the time to review your edits. If you have a complaint, please move it to the company infobox talk page. Wii nter  U 14:30, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Can you give me some examples please? Tony (talk)  22:56, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * On Paramount Global, you changed many of the perimeters to be delinked and also changed Public to Public company, even though the documentation stated that it has to be the original. On Princess Pictures, you changed Private to Privately held company. This has already been revised, that is why the perimeter is "Company type" and not "Type" anymore. Wii  nter  U 23:10, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * There was recently a discussion (but where?) on this point, with consensus that "Public" and "Private" are sufficient. By "perimeter", do you mean "field"? I don't follow your logic: if the perimeter is "Company type", why repeat the word "company"? Tony (talk)  01:37, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Shripad Amrit Dange
I did not insert links. Somebody else did and you removed them. Can you justify their removal? Do you take my point about the lakhs? Can you justify any of the other changes? Spinney Hill (talk) 08:50, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The problem with lakhs is that no one else (non-Indian second-language speakers included) understands them. You need to insert conversions at the very least. en.WP rations links to the most likely to be followed by readers. Most of those links were common terms: we do not want a sea of blue, which disrupts the reader. This was decided a decade and a half ago; also, please read WP:OVERLINK. Tony (talk)  08:52, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree about conversions. There are certain Americanisms in other articles which non-Americans do not understand (or which mean something else in British English e.g. "braces") which I have pointed out -not the spellings or the simple words that appear in US films like "faucet,"
 * I'll have a look at the blue links when I get the chance. Can you justify the word changes you have made.? Spinney Hill (talk) 09:02, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * In order to? Never use it. Amongst? No. Same for whilst. These are pretentious old-fashioned glutinous forms. Tony (talk)  09:08, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I strongly agree! —Finell 02:03, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Spinney Hill On lakhs, please see MOS:LAKH and MOS:COMMONALITY. On links, MOS:OVERLINK sets out that major geographical entities (countries etc), among other things, should not be linked to. Thanks.  Pam  D  13:34, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Spinney, if you need a quick run-through of another article you've worked on, please ask and I'll try (unless my workload is high at the time). Tony (talk)  13:39, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Tony1
I am happy to see that you are still very active and, I hope, well. Have you ever considered publishing your excellent guidance on writing to a broader public than those who discover it on your User and Talk pages? Have you already done so? —Finell 02:16, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Finell, it's available to the public already; all that's needed is to promote it outside WP. It desperately needs renovation, which will have to wait untill I finish a big job (should be in a few months). Thanks for your kind words. Tony (talk)  02:20, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Script error in downcasing?
Tony, in this edit you changed University of Edinburgh to university of edinburgh. This seems like a bug in the script you're using? Dicklyon (talk) 04:24, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Dick. I've reported this to Ohconfucius. Tony (talk)  04:48, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
 * i seem to remember having had this discussion before. Isn't it nonsense for someone to have "professor of University of Edinburgh" as an occupation? Are people not aware of the difference between a person's occupation and their job title? It isn't even a subtle difference. The occupation of the subject ought simply to be "educator" or "professor", don't you think? --  Ohc  revolution of our times 21:11, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Tony (talk)  06:36, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Script-assisted flag fix errors
Hi, thank you for your many script-assisted fixes. I noticed that some of the flagg fixes don't always render correctly, for example at Special:Diff/1217808882. Also, I'm not sure if it is wise to replace with  as a rule, because they aren't necessarily exchangeable, the former uses IOC country code while the latter uses ISO 3166-1 which doesn't always match. If you want to unlink the country name, you can use instead. Thanks, --Habst (talk) 15:49, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

St. Michaels Historic District
Tony1 - Thank you for your cleanup of St. Michaels Historic District. It is a busy tourist attraction during the summer. Any idea why the article is rated as Stub-class? TwoScars (talk) 19:06, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Not anymore! Ed [talk] [OMT] 21:13, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. TwoScars (talk) 15:48, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Imagicomm Entertainment moved to draftspace
Thanks for your contributions to Imagicomm Entertainment. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Clear friend  a  💬  23:44, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Script errors
A couple of errors I've noticed from recent edits: ITBF (talk) 02:43, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * – introduced inconsistency with abbreviation of degrees (M.E. vs PhD)
 * – Woy Woy is not in Sydney
 * – grammatical error introduced ("served" changed to "had")

 * Thanks. (i) That inconsistency is built into the script. (2) Not the script: that's my fault. I'll fix it. (3) Again, my manual edit. I find "served as" for wealthy, powerful politicians rather self-serving. Tony (talk)  03:24, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Redundant commas
Hi Tony! Recently a User made an edit to VH-RMQ, an article on my watchlist. The edit added 25 characters but most of the additions were redundant commas. See the diff. I checked the User contributions for the User responsible and I could see that most of their edits insert commas where previously there were no commas. The majority are to insert commas at the end of dates that are embedded in sentences. For example, the following: diff 1, diff 2 and diff 3. Before I write to the User responsible I want to check what resources are available to help Users with the matter of commas, and redundant commas in particular. Are you aware of any Wikipedia guidance that clarifies when commas are desirable, and when they are not? I see you have some useful guidance on your User pages. Do you have anything devoted to commas that might persuade the User responsible that extra commas don’t necessarily mean extra quality? Thanks for any assistance. Dolphin ( t ) 13:37, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Please stop this user from inserting silly commas: they're like road-humps for readers. Unfortunately no "Comma workshop" yet, but perhaps later this year. Tony (talk)  03:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your support. I found MOS:DATECOMMA and MOS:DATE. Unfortunately they do not support our preference for economy with commas around dates embedded in sentences.
 * Perhaps there is an opportunity to challenge this item in MOS. Insisting on a comma after a date looks like a relic from the 1950s. Dolphin ( t ) 10:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I dislike the addition of a comma to produce the "In 1952, she moved to England." format, which I think might be a "fronted adverbial", something I never came across in an old-fashioned academic education in the UK. But if a date is in the American format with an internal comma, I feel that there does need to be a date after the year too. Pam  D  11:09, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't see any difference across the Atlantic. It's rather difficult for a manual of style to legislate comma usage: it's complex. But adverbial and prepositional phrases at sentence start are just silly—a habit I fear editors see in others and adopt thinking it's required. BUT, if the initial phrase is medium to long, that sways a bit toward using the comma; and even after a short initial phrase a comma is useful for breaking up numerals; so "In 2011 1032 craters were detected on Mars" would possibly be improved with a comma. Tony (talk)  11:18, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * So many editors are adding those horrible commas after "In 1952" that I'd assumed it was correct, rather than reverting them as clunky prose, just as you say. I should be more assertive in the interests of decent writing. Thanks. Pam  D  11:39, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * At MOS:DATE there is actually a valuable ruling in the case of dates written as dd month year without an intervening comma. The Table shows that closing the date with a comma is incorrect. Hooray!
 * I was able to incorporate this in a message to the User in question. See my diff.
 * If the date is written as month date, year then the Table at MOS:DATE shows that a comma is required after the year, to close the date. Dolphin ( t ) 11:43, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

 * Comma therapy is especially productive when an article goes through the history of the subject, with almost every paragraph starting the same repetitive way. This needs the delete button to smooth things out. Watch for nested phrases, though, like: "In 2011, without hindsight, the troops went on the attack." Tony (talk)  11:47, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * What do you think of this example? Pam  D  18:03, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm OK with that one—such a cluster of linked constituencies and wards. Tony (talk)  05:24, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Tony1 Please start a campaign to amend MOS:COMMA to include "Where not to use a comma". I hope you agree with this edit, as I cited you as an authority! Pam  D  14:33, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Pam, I'll certainly be creating a "Comma workshop" tutorial page when I renovate them later this year. Tony (talk)  05:41, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

single-ses
This "Script-assisted style fixes" includes a change to "single-ses", which is clearly wrong. I can't tell if it is a manual typo or an error in the script that needs fixing. Mitch Ames (talk) 09:01, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry, manual error. I'll fix it now. Tony (talk)  09:03, 16 June 2024 (UTC) PS I'm amused that this family of articles announces "single-sex" and "school for boys/girls". Tony  (talk)  09:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

W. David Marx Script-assisted styles fixes
Hi Tony1,

I can see that you are trying to use scripts to make changes on the article W. David Marx (Author). Having looked through your talk page, I can see that there are other people complaining about these edits. If you want to continue to edit on W. David Marx, please provide evidence and explanations for the changes you make, including taking out hyperlinks. Otherwise I will keep reverting them - without explanation I cannot understand why you are making these edits and therefore change my mind, if I am incorrect.

Thank you Theobrad (talk) 09:55, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

 * Yes, you are very much incorrect in linking common words like these: American fashion and culture writer who works and lives in Tokyo, Japan. Have you read WP:OVERLINK? If you don't like it, I suggest you launch an RFC at WT:MOSLINK. Tony (talk)  10:35, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * With response to WT:MOSLINK, I understand why you have used the script. However, with this new information, I will happily go through myself and make these corrections individually if you don't mind. Theobrad (talk) 10:38, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I think "blazer" should stay linked. Tony (talk)  10:40, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I have gone through and adjusted your changes. In hindsight I agree most of them are correct. With the Board of Directors one, as it is a specific Board of Directors (one at Human Made) that I am referring to, is it or is it not meant to be capitalised. As it is in the same sentence as Human Made, it could be written "the Human Made Board of Directors," in which case it would definitely be capitalised (according to a quick search). Theobrad (talk) 10:46, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The authoritative US and UK style guides, and our own WP:MOSCAPS, say to minimise unnecessary capping. That includes "board of directors", "board", "board members", and "chair of the board". Tony (talk)  10:57, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

June 27, 2024
Hello, this is Winter. I have noticed that some of your style fixes have gone against the documentation of. Public company should always be linked as Public, and corporate titles always have to be linked. Please make sure your scripts comply with the documentation of. Wii nter  U 00:32, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * OK, pinging . Tony (talk)  00:41, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Buggy script
I reverted your script-assisted edits to Crystallography. There was no reason I can see to remove the links to the UN or the centuries, removing that to iron was wrong as the structure matters, and changing "Paul heinrich von groth|Paul Heinrich von Groth" to "Paul heinrich von groth" is obviously wrong, even Google autocorrect knew this as I typed this message. Perhaps discontinue using it? Ldm1954 (talk) 08:53, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Who doesn't know what iron is? If its structure is at issue, link to the relevant section of Iron. Linking chronological terms is strictly discouraged, and has been since a community-wide RfC in 2009. I don't know how the von Groth thing happened. Tony (talk)  09:44, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I removed the chronological terms as updated to Iron, a good suggestion. The article needs major work, but is not at the top of my to-do list as yet, life is finite. Ldm1954 (talk) 10:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Good work. Tony (talk)  10:25, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Alive!
Tony, I am so happy to see you have resumed activity on Wikipedia! Your writing exercises were so much fun and have measurably improved my writing (if not my life!). Carry on my friend, and I hope to learn more of what you've been doing the past decade. What happened to your research on the human factors in musical sight reading? Ke6jjj (talk) 05:23, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your kind words, Jeremy. The exercises are badly in need of renovation, which might happen by the end of the year. Research on sight reading? Since my PhD I haven't done anything in that area; but I am preparing something big in music theory. I don't think I ever left WP. Tony  (talk)  01:24, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Help talk for new article
Hello! I hope you're doing well.I've just created an article called 5 July Committee, but I'm not sure if it's totally ready to be on the Main article page or if I should move it back to a Draft page for more work. Your help with the other article I created was amazing, and I'd really appreciate it if you could take a look at this one too.Thanks a lot, and I hope to hear from you soon. Bruno pnm ars (talk) 11:56, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Request for assistance in creating a Wikipedia article
Hi Tony, hope you're doing well! I was referred to you by Meta AI as an experienced editor who can help me create a Wikipedia article about myself. I'd greatly appreciate your guidance and expertise in getting my article started. Please let me know if you're available and willing to help. Thanks in advance! Alhaji Jatlaw (talk) 13:13, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

"Distribution Center Management System" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_Center_Management_System&redirect=no Distribution Center Management System] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached. Tule-hog (talk) 06:36, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

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Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation pages with links/Maintenance

History
The "parent" project of this one, Disambiguation pages with links, has been running for a number of years. If you look in the update history there are many more pages than the ones currently showing on the maintainence list. Pages that have been previously cleared, but have not yet worked their way back up to the threshhold of that project. But they are deserving of maintainence as well. I think an effort should be made to add those pages to the maintainence list as well. I would be wiling to work through, adding them, but I figured I should let it be known what I'm doing. I'll start working on it. My idea is to place them at the front of the list, since they've not had attention for longer than those items steming from the current cycle of link repair. Placing them at the front of the list will put them at higher priority for maintainence. TexasAndroid 14:13, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I think that's a great idea. I only whacked this page up here as a quick and dirty fix to a problem I've perceived (and that should be obvious by the lack of quality and attention to detail in the first version).  One thing that I've noticed is that some dab pages require more frequent attention than others - they attract more ambiguous links, on an ongoing basis, than others.  We need some way of separating them out.  Perhaps if each dab page had it's own move instruction, like:
 * Roman (move 1/4 way down the list)
 * Ettrick (move to bottom)
 * CGI (move 1/2 way down the list)
 * With an instruction to increase or decrease the distance depending on how many links there were when you go to disambiguate it again. Actually, that wouldn't work, because some pages would get lots of attention and some would get none.  Or would they? Josh Parris ✉ 00:53, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I like the idea. Yes, some pages would get more attention than others, but that's the point.  I don't think any pages would get *no* attention, because the list of pages that would only move part way down would be fairly short, and all the rest would move to the bottom as they are worked, moving everything else up.
 * I would think that for those entries that are going to be moved only part-way down, we should have specific notes on those entries lines. Since the majority will move to the bottom, that would be the default, and we really only need stick notices on those that behave differently. TexasAndroid 11:16, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Roman/German
For a maintainence project like this, do we want a separate list like the one in the Specific Lists section? IMHO those should be wrapped up into the main project list. That way, if this project can gain traction, they'll get regular attention simply by the mechanics of the project. TexasAndroid 21:05, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't quite follow you. Are you suggesting we inject all disambiguated pages into the Disambiguation pages with links Specific Lists section?  Josh Parris ✉ 00:53, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Mostly just the tem in the first section. If they're in the main list, *and* in the Special list, they're double covered.  I guess that's not a horrid thing, but it seems a bit overkill. TexasAndroid 11:12, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Oh, and I subjected the section Roman/German becaus those two are now on both lists, I beleive. TexasAndroid 21:05, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

coverage
sometimes articles link to the disambiguation page purposely, because the alternative meanings cover the actual usage. these links cannot be disambiguated without loss of coverage. 70.29.131.204 07:12, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree with that. I've seen several other editors agree with it too. Maybe we should put something explaining this at the begininning of this project page. --Commander Keane 13:22, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
 * In those cases, link to Foo (disambiguation) . If that's not the disambiguation page, create a redirect from Foo (disambiguation) to Foo . Josh Parris # 00:51, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

U2
I scrolled down the list for something that I knew enough about to be able to do a good job. Looked at U2. That redirects to the band and there is a U2 (disambiguation) page. Should U2 be on this list? Is the task here to make sure that everything that links to it is related to the band? --JimmyTheWig 08:40, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Probably what has happened is that U2 was origanlly a dab and now goes straight to the band. It should stay on the list, with the objective to go through all of its "What links here" and redirect ones that don't go to the band. --Commander Keane 12:21, September 10, 2005 (UTC)

Organisation
This project pages needs some organisation. At the moment there are three sections for links: General, Country adjectives or Non-unique names. I am thinking of adding Acronyms, are there any other notable sections we should have? --Commander Keane 09:51, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Potential automation of this page
I have started working on a bot script that would update this page automatically (perhaps once a week). Please see User:RussBot/Disambig maintenance bot test for sample output. (The link counts on that page are only links from articles in the Main: namespace, although links to redirect pages usually should be counted as well.) Once the script is completed, the output would be written to this page rather than to the User page. Comments, questions, and suggestions for improvements would be most welcome. --Russ Blau (talk) 16:55, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Very nice, Russ Blau! I had done the same in .php--takes about 10-12 minutes to run and was going to put it on a scheduler as well.  The only part I hadn't finished was updating the page at the end.  Since you've gone down the same path, keep going!!  You may want to mark the maintance page as "Inusefor" or something to keep people from adding links to the page while your script is retabulating the results.  Please let me know if I can help at all!!  I'd be interested to hear the technical side of what you've done :-).  >:  Roby Wayne  Talk •  Hist  •  E@ 18:14, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

I knew that if your script was taking 10 minutes and mine was taking 3 hours, I had to be doing something wrong. And I was. :-) I fixed a fairly serious logic error in my script, and now mine runs in about 10 minutes also.  I've updated the test page, and will try to polish it a bit more when I get the time.  --Russ Blau (talk) 00:30, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Awesome!!! It's interesting..I come back later and look at some of my code and see things that definitely can be tweaked :-).  Lemme know if I can help!!  >: Roby Wayne Talk • Hist • E@ 03:06, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

OK I have today (29 Oct) replaced the content of this page with the results of my bot run. I merged in all the new pages from the 20-October dump, which accounts for the increase in the numbers of articles and links. After it has run for a few weeks, I may add some refinements such as removing perenially inactive pages. Any comments on the 15-link cutoff? Frankly, I picked "15" for one reason only -- so that the "Non-identical personal names" section wouldn't be empty. I'm not sure this is a good enough reason, though. It might make more sense to have a higher cutoff and focus attention more on the pages that need it most. --Russ Blau (talk) 17:25, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Some info on what "Active" means for the stats would be useful.--Commander Keane 19:33, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
 * So Russ, the inactive pages are stored in the bot, and not on the project page?--Commander Keane 16:16, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
 * The inactive pages are actually stored on the page, in HTML comments. If you edit the page (or do a diff from the History page), you will see them all.
 * I should have checked that, silly me.--Commander Keane 17:31, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Page move proposal
This page isn't really "Disambiguation pages maintenance". It really just the broom closet for Disambiguation pages with links.

I think a new page location of Disambiguation pages with links/Maintenance would be appropriate.

It also make more sense with things like Disambiguation pages with links/Guide applying to this page just as much as WP:DPL.

 * Support and propose.--Commander Keane 18:42, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Support as the original creator of this page. With a bot in place to automate the listing of maintenance tasks, the world has become an easier place to dab in. Josh Parris 03:26, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Support and propose -- S iva1979 Talk to me  17:36, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Support; I'd almost forgotten about this. Just give me some warning when you do it so that I can update my maintenance bot.  --Russ Blau (talk) 19:15, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Support; It has to be mainstream, as it is important part of Wikipedia usability. I would add that it deserves to have a shortcut - WP:DPL/M. -- Goldie (tell me) 19:46, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Support; Two pages for the same goal is confusing. So, when is ot going to happen? Proposal is over a year ago. Edokter 15:12, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Dictionary of languages
Dictionary of languages must be one of the most useless lists ever. Unfortunately, it's not quite nonsense and not quite original research. Can anyone think up a good reason for deletion so we don't have to fix all its dab links? Bo Lindbergh 02:11, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't these have been added to List of languages? You can't just make a parallel article like this. I'd say move it to a subpage or even the Wikipedia: namespace (which would stop the need for link repair) and drop a note at List of languages to see if anyone feels like adding appropriate entries.--Commander Keane 06:30, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
 * So nominated. Articles for deletion/Dictionary of languages. BD2412  T 05:00, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
 * ... and it's gone, per the above AfD. Cheers! BD2412  T 20:27, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Robot help for ISO?
Everything that links to ISO and is in a subcategory of Category:ISO standards should link to International Organization for Standardization. Can/should this be done by a bot? Kusma (talk) 21:02, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Forget about that. I just changed ISO into a redirect to International Organization for Standardization, which fixes the problem. Kusma (talk) 17:51, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Purpose of this page
It is not clear to me, what is the purpose of this page. How does it differ from Disambiguation pages with links? I finished Kingdom on that page and marked it with a strikethrough. What should be done with Kingdom on this page? •DanMS 00:18, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Nothing should be done with it here - the purpose of this page is to keep editors alerted to disambig pages that tend to crop up as problems; the purpose of the other page is to set and conquer specific goals of fixing a set list of the worst pages, which is renewed an a fairly regular basis. bd2412  T 00:27, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Counting
Is there at least a semi "quick" or "easy" way for me to tally all the links to a specific disambig page? I know I can click on "What links here" and see everything that ...links there, but I'd like to be able to get a total so I can see how much of a dent I'm making doing DAB fixes. Any help would be appreciated! Thanks, --Naha|(talk) 23:52, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I have a MATLAB script that I use to count up the links, and seeing the dent can be very satisfing. If you happen to have MATLAB I can give you the script, or if you use msn/icq/yahoo/irc chat (and I'm awake) then I could do the count for you. The pywikipedia bot can also count them up, although using it just for that purpose is a bit clumsy (ie: hard to do) in my opinion. Lightdarkness has some php to do the count, useful if you can use php (he can also count up how many of your contribs are link repairs - if anyone is interested he's happy to check for you).--Commander Keane 12:37, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks :) --Naha|(talk) 05:17, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

talk pages
i've noticed sometimes users associating themselves with this project disambiguating links on talk pages e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_%28China-related_articles%29&curid=372158&diff=39697521&oldid=38767448 i feel somewhat uneasy about the idea of people editing others signed comments like this even if they aren't making any substantial changes Plugwash 11:40, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

 * I don't like the practice either. Maybe we could discourage it more in the instructions. I have come across some very experienced editors who see no problem in changing others signed comments, so I don't bother complaining.--Commander Keane 12:37, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I see no problem with it. I do it for one reason: So I have less pages to sift through while trying to maintain particular disambig pages. Cutting out all the mislinks from talkpages makes this so much easier for me its incredible. Also, I've done it to dozens of pages and I've had zero complaints and 2 or 3 "thank yous."  If it ever becomes a problem, I will not continue, or at least make a note not to do it to that particular user's page.  I also have no problem with anyone editing any of my user space or any of my comments on any talk pages as long as the edits are of a productive nature and do not change the context of anything that has been written. --Naha|(talk) 05:20, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Ideally we would have a namespace selector (like "my contributions" has). The feature probably exists but is turned off for performance (=server load) reasons.--Commander Keane 10:00, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * That would be great. --Naha|(talk) 23:00, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

New tool - filtering out the main namespace in "Whatlinkshere"
Yes we have a new tool to filter out the talk namespaces when doing link maintenance. Here are the details.--Commander Keane 07:24, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

templates
hi, is there any way for the 'what links here' tool to not count links in templates, should links in temlates even lead to Disambiguation pages?--Johnny 0 22:01, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

"Hidden" disamBUGuation
I've just added a workaround section in the page for "Ford". Some  have moved the disambiguation page and is edit-warring to protect the redirect. As result hundreds of links point to Ford but it is a redirect and nobody cares. I've trimmed them down to 681 by now but started well above 750 (keeping the silver medal). The moved "Ford (disambiguation)" is having just few links and therefore is not caught by the scanner. For me this is a temporary solution until the problem is fixed. Hope this case is an exception but who knows, more AI to the scanner might help (as well as may not). -- Goldie (tell me) 16:39, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

CFD
There's a CFD on Category:Lists of ambiguous place names. --Dhartung | Talk 12:24, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Dynamic Custom reports?
I'm wondering if it would be possible (or worthwhile) to use the same processes that generate the reports on this page in order to to format the Wikipedia talk:Adopting disambiguation pages in such a way that the "adopted pages" table is read, dab page names are picked off, and then a (currently non-existing) column is written to... the data written out would be the current number of links in the main namespace for that dab page... Thanks for your time --Ling.Nut 15:42, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Could be. I wrote the script that maintains this page, so I will take a look at the new project and see if it's do-able.  --Russ Blau (talk) 15:53, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Tks for taking a look! --Ling.Nut 15:58, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Counting
Do the numbers on this page include the talk/user/wikipedia pages? For example Dutch shows over 300, but there was only around 70 if not including talk/user/wikipedia pages. Since most disambiguation work does not touch those pages, doesn't it make sense to not include those pages in the count, so that we have a better idea of how we are doing? -- Jeff3000 04:38, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * No, the numbers on this page are main-namespace links only. They may look wrong because the link counts can change between the time the bot runs (once a week) and the time you access the page -- in the case of Dutch, I was working on that page myself at the same time you were!  --Russ Blau (talk) 13:28, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Minor Edits?
A potentially stupid question from a new editor... I've repaired a few links ("article" to "article (publishing)", for instance) over the last day or so, each time marking it as a minor edit. Anyway, it just now occurs to me that this might not meet the criteria for a minor edit. Would a more experienced editor give me his/her opinion on this matter? I'd like to follow wikiquette. Thanks. Wayne Miller 14:29, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Adding or fixing a link is a minor edit. You'll find more information about what is a minor edit at Help:Minor edit. CarolGray 08:30, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Disambig pages maintenance: total articles
I understand what causes the number of active articles or the number of total links to rise and fall (hopefully fall), but what has been causing the number of "total articles" to fall? Do they then reappear when their maintenance becomes a problem, or are they manually added? Dekimasu 06:26, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Articles can "fall off" the list if they have fewer than 25 incoming links for five straight weeks; or if they have been edited so that they are no longer disambig pages. In either case, they will reappear on the list if they show up on a future database dump. --Russ (talk) 14:58, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * So does the large jump in new pages this week after several weeks of slow decline mean that all of those "new" pages became problems just in the last week? It seems more like there are two steps here... a crawler that finds new pages, run irregularly, and a separate analysis of the contents of the pages that are already in the list, run weekly. Is that right? Dekimasu 05:22, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * What happened this week was the November 30 database dump. The weekly script scans two sources: this page (well, actually Disambiguation pages with links/Current list) and User:RussBot/DPL.  The latter page only changes when there is a new database dump to download, which happens irregularly.  --Russ (talk) 10:38, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

2006 statistics
The link to a page for the 2006 statistics has a problem. Has the 2006 data gone to Wikipedia heaven, or can it still be seen somewhere? Dekimasu 09:22, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed; thanks for pointing out the problem. --Russ (talk) 13:45, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

DPM vs. DPL/M
There's a long-standing request above to make DPM a subpage of DPL. It had a lot of support at the time it was proposed, but we never followed through on moving it to Disambiguation pages with links/Maintenance. Any problems with making that move? Is it too much of a pain to alter the target for the bot? Dekimasu よ! 07:46, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not a pain to alter the target for the bot; just give me some notice before you make the move (and don't do it on a Saturday night/Sunday morning, because that's when the bot runs). --Russ (talk) 11:32, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll switch it over after I see the next run go up. Dekimasu よ! 08:23, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Question
Do completed dab links automatically get the bullet and bold text, or should the editor(s) responsible for the disambiguating do it? --Milton 23:31, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * We shouldn't edit anything on this page, since it's updated automtically... only at WP:DPL. The bulleted pages are the ones being marked as special problems. Did you notice that a lot of them were fixed? A fair percentage of them get solved in that week because when there is such a large jump from one week to the next, it usually indicates that a redirect has changed or the word is being included in a high-traffic template, and those types of problems are quick to straighten out. For example, in this case I contacted the editor who had added a link to "Division" to a protected template related to Indian territories. Russ got things done before me by just leaving an note on the talk page of that template. And then I realized that the remaining links were really easy to fix, so I knocked it down to (if I remember correctly) about 20 after that. When the next scan goes through on Sunday, it will just drop off the visible list again by itself. Dekimasu よ!  00:54, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the reason I asked was I noticed a couple articles I disambiguated were bolded/bulleted - Russian, Gutenberg, Eve, Jonathan Kent were bolded - all of them are finished except Eve. But your answer makes sense, thanks again for your help! --Milton 01:07, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

No update next week -- and bot source code available
I will not be able to run the bot next week (15 July) for the regular weekly update, and the following week (22 July) may be somewhat delayed. However, if someone else would like to run it in my absence, and has the PyWikipediaBot framework, you are welcome to do so using the script available at User:RussBot/dabmaintbot.py. Just be prepared for the script to run for 6 hours or longer! Also, be aware that there is a little problem with Python's networking code; on relatively rare occasions, a call to socket.get simply hangs indefinitely and never returns. This is not usually a problem, but when you are loading several thousand URLs as this script does, there is a not-insignificant risk that you will hang at some point. I have a kludgy fix for this that allows you to Control-C out of the socket call and retry the URL, but this means (a) you have to monitor the script while it is running and (b) you have to be patient and be really sure that the program really is hanging before you hit Control-C or you may abort the whole thing and have to start over! If it sounds like a pain in the neck, well, it is, but at least you've been warned. --Russ (talk) 19:53, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


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Parkside Community College

Parkside Community College is a secondary academy school with 600 places for children aged 11–16, situated in Cambridge, Cambridgeshire. It is part of the United Learning Cambridge Cluster, along with Parkside Sixth, Coleridge Community College, Trumpington Community College, and Cambridge Academy for Science and Technology (formerly UTC Cambridge). Cambridge Academic Partnership joined the United Learning group of academies as a unit in September 2019. It is located next to the main Cambridge Parkside Police Station, the main Cambridge Fire Station and the National Express coach stops. It is east of Emmanuel College, Cambridge.

From 1960 to 1974 it was the Cambridge Grammar School for Girls, after which it became the co-educational comprehensive Parkside Community College. It was the first school in the UK to be designated a Media Arts College under the UK government's specialist schools programme, in 1997, and was granted Foundation status in 2003.

In 2005 Parkside Community College formed the Parkside Federation with Coleridge Community College, which had then been placed in special measures. The school achieved Academy status in 2011 when the federation converted to a multi-academy trust. At the same time it opened a new sixth-form college, Parkside Sixth. In 2017 the trust changed its name to the Cambridge Academic Partnership. The Cambridge Academic Partnership would later go on to change its name to the United Learning Cambridge Cluster.

The history of the school is related in An Epoch-Making School, by former Deputy Principal Rosemary Gardiner (1983).

Research work
Its work as a specialist media arts college has been documented in a number of research studies by staff at the school. These include studies of an extensive primary school animation project (e.g. Burn and Parker, 2001), run in conjunction with the Cambridge Film Consortium, a group composed of Anglia Ruskin University, City Screen (an Arts cinema chain), the Cambridge Film Festival, and Parkside itself.

A comprehensive account of the school's media work, giving examples of work in digital video, computer games, animation, and television drama, as well as work across the curriculum, is provided in Andrew Burn and James Durran's Media Literacy in Schools (2007).

On 1 December 2008, the Nova 9 helium balloon took two space-suited teddies close to the edge of space from the grounds of Churchill College, Cambridge. The space suits were designed by 11- to 13-year-olds at the school. The journey took just over two hours. The teddies descended back to Earth and landed near Ipswich, being located by GPS equipment.

Academic performance
Parkside Community College achieves GCSE results that are consistently among the best for state schools in Cambridgeshire.

Notable alumni

 * Cavetown, musician and YouTuber
 * Patrick O'Flynn, UK Independence Party MEP
 * Ben Thapa, opera singer
 * Ronald Searle, Cartoonist

The author Nick Hornby was an English teacher at the school between 1982 and 1984.

The UCL English professor and media theorist Andrew Burn (professor) taught English, Media and Drama at the school from 1986 to 2001.

News items

 * Independent July 2010
 * Teddy-nauts in December 2008
 * Cuddly cosmonauts in December 2008
 * Visit to the Arctic in July 2007
 * Use of technology wins award in August 2005

Audio clips

 * Today programme December 2009

Video clips

 * Parkside Media

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Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Sharon Tate/archive1

Sharon Tate
This is a self nomination. Have had this on Peer Review for nearly a month and it seems to have attracted as much comment as its likely to. Peer review archive. I have addressed the issue of the referencing of the article. Rossrs 14:20, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Reluctantly object, I'm afraid. The consensus that articles for the main page require a picture, and that those pictures must be public domain, GDFL, or anything other than fair use.  These criteria operate to exclude most twentieth century biography, which suggests to me that the consensus merits revision, but as things stand now I doubt it could be promoted.  Smerdis of Tlön 17:07, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I have removed several of the images, and as there seem to be no free images available, this is as close as I can come to resolving this objection. In this regard, the article is in line with numerous other recently promoted and/or featured articles. Rossrs 11:04, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Fair use pictures have been used on the main page for featured articles in the past; likewise, articles have been promoted to featured status knowing they were not fit for the main page, so your argument does not stand. Phil s 18:52, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * It's heartening that your objection is reluctant. I disagree that there is a consensus, and if there is, it is not recorded on What is a featured article or its talk page. There have been several articles promoted over the last few months that have only fair use images, and these have also been featured on the main page. Obviously I don't monitor every single article, but there are several that have gone through a very lengthy process, and in relation to the ones I've looked at,  nobody has said a thing about there being a problem with the images.  User:Phils mentions that this has been "in the past" - I would just add that it's been in the "recent" past. Rossrs 02:24, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Support absolutely. Excellent work.  I've worked with Rossrs in the past and quality work like this increases my admiration for him.  PedanticallySpeaking 18:31, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you PS. That's a really nice comment!! Rossrs 12:09, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Object. The article has no images under a free license.  Admittedly, this is a subject where it is hard to find images, and one where fair-use images can be justified, but we really need at least one image with a freer license than "fair use". --Carnildo 19:05, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I have removed several of the images, and as there seem to be no free images available, this is as close as I can come to resolving this objection. In this regard, the article is in line with numerous other recently promoted and/or featured articles. Rossrs 11:04, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. To quote the FA guidelines "an article does not have to have a picture to be featured." (emphasis in original) It's a good article that stands on its own.  Why the pictures should lead to its defeat is a mystery.  PedanticallySpeaking 19:38, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Item #1 on "What is a featured article" is "Exemplify Wikipedia's very best work. Represent what Wikipedia offers that is unique on the Internet".  One of those things that is unique about Wikipedia is that it is a free content encyclopedia: among other things, people are free to take Wikipedia content and create derivative works from it.  The inclusion in articles of images that are not under a free-use license keep that from happening. --Carnildo 21:24, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Also on What is a featured article - "images with acceptable copyright". There is nothing on the page to define what is "acceptable", nor is there anything on the talk page.  It's obviously a question of interpretation - my interpretation is vastly different to yours.  I don't see this as a grey issue.  If it's fair it's fair and can be used, if it's not fair, it can't be used on any page, featured potential or not.   I don't see how the inclusion of a free use image to a page containing fair use images, somehow elevates it to a more "acceptable" level.   Also you say that "the inclusion of images that are not under a free-use licence keep that from happening", so if that was correct, no featured article could contain any fair use images or they could potentially cause the problem that you describe.  The images are by Wikidepia's own defintion, "acceptable" - that is, they are "fair use".  They are genuinely "fair use" by using the Wikipedia 10 point criteria, and are all either screenshots or book covers.  They are all correctly tagged.  Wikipedia is not claiming freedom of copyright, and this tag is viewable by anyone who looks.  It's not right to say they are acceptable for Wikipedia as long as they are kept hidden in pages other than featured articles.  I spent a long time poring over the guidelines before I submitted this and I couldn't find anything that suggested a problem.  I expect nominations to be challenged or opposed, and I have no problem with that, but only on grounds that are stated in the policy guidelines.  The guidelines as they stand now don't support your viewpoint, however if I've missed something, please let me know where I should be looking. Rossrs
 * I've found this statement and this email by Jimbo Wales to be rather informative on what image licenses are acceptable. --Carnildo 03:19, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I appreciate the quick response. He says that fair use images are a grey area which is not saying that they are unacceptable, although clearly that is his viewpoint.  I'm annoyed that I've spent a lot of time working on this article, and in good faith have referred to things like What is a featured article, thinking that because it was Wikipedia's official policy, it was the best and most reliable source of information, and have abided by what is written there.   Have a look at how many articles have recently been promoted (and by recent I mean in the last few months) to Featured Article status, even though they contain nothing but "fair use" images. ie screenshots, album covers, book covers etc.  And not a single objection in relation to the images,  during their peer review or featured article processes, and many of them have appeared on the main page as Article of the Day complete with the "fair use" image. Copyrights says in part "In cases where no such [free use] images/sounds are currently available, then fair use images are acceptable (until such time as free images become available)". - (my italics).  Until the policy pages are rewritten I should be able to have faith in them. Rossrs 08:43, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't disagree; but in practice, FAC seems to have developed a body of unwritten policies. One is that the articles must have a picture under a "free licence."  Another is that FAC operates under the principle of liberum veto.  I could see monopoly-franchise based objections coming.  If there is a consensus to reject either of these unwritten policies, perhaps that too could be made explicit.  Smerdis of Tlön 13:40, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * The problem with unwritten policies is that any application of them can really be left to the whim of people voting, unlike written policies that are very explicit. Liberum veto - well in this instance I can see it being used correctly and with good intentions, but with other nominations I've seen it used to impose someone's POV which is not a good thing, but it seems to work mostly.   I am genuinely surprised - having seen so many articles with exactly the same type of fair use images, go through peer review, fac, and then onto the main page without incident.  I thought any criticism here would be about the text and that the images were fine.  I'll stop bleating on about this before it becomes boring, but I can't replace the images - there are no free use images for virtually any celebrity, this one included, so will just have to see how this pans out.  Rossrs 14:38, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * The differences between formal rules and informal customs intrigue me; especially in situations where formal, public rules don't in fact predict actual decisions, and the unwritten rules are the rules you really need to know. Here we have that in a  microcosm.  Smerdis of Tlön 17:06, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Support. Well written, very comprehensive. I don't think the image issue is a valid criteria for objection, What is a featured article says "Have images where appropriate, with good captions and acceptable copyright status". IMHO, fair use is an "acceptable copyright status" for this article, because like many 20/21th celebrities, there may well be no public domain images of Sharon Tate that are readily available. There certainly aren't any that are available on the internet. On this page, a photogallery for a Sharon Tate fansite, there is a notice that says "Sharon Tate's name, image, likeness, signature and voice is controlled by Debra Tate. Please contact us if you feel there's misuse of Sharon Tate's image. Misuse would be: other sites profiting from Sharon's image or displaying her in such a way that would be offensive to Sharon's family, friends and fans." There's an email address that's provided to apply for permission to use Sharon Tate in "Media, TV, Newspaper, Magazine, Promotional". This article is certainly not misusing Sharon Tate's image, and since Wikipedia is a non-profit organisation, under these terms Sharon Tate's estate appears to be content for images of her to be reproduced. Deus Ex 20:28, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I know the website has the information about getting permission to use images, however these would still not be "fair use", as to let us use them would in effect mean that the copyright on them would be relinquished, and there's no way they'd let that happen. Basically as a free content encyclopedia we could not make use of "permission only" images.   :-) Rossrs 08:43, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Support. The lack of fair use pictures is indeed a concern, and too many fair use pictures in one article is never good. I suggest simply cutting back on the number of photographs. Phil s 09:22, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the suggestion. I've trimmed the number of images from 13 to 8.  I think it looks better actually - so it's now one image for each section except the fairly long "Movie career" section which has two, plus the image for the lead paragraph.  I removed everything that I thought was superfluous or did not add anything in particular to the article.  The ones that remain, I think, help tell the story and are relevant.   I'm glad you suggested it.  Do you think it's ok now? Rossrs 13:45, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Support now that the image count has been reduced.   —RaD Man (talk) 17:53, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Support - ignoring the pictures, the text is great. — Stevey7788 (talk) 17:11, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Support very well done --Sophitus 18:41, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * Support. Very well written, structured, researched and cited. Have you considered contacting the Tate family to see if they are willing to donate a picture or a few under a free license? Under the circumstances and for the sake of her legacy, they may be willing. - Taxman Talk 19:48, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * thank you. I think the article is quite respectful to her memory and should not displease her family (specifically Debra Tate who is the only surviving immediate family member), but I've read elsewhere that Debra Tate who holds copyright to Sharon Tate's image,  is very protective of any kind of "merchandising" particularly with regards to images.  Because we can't use a "with permission only" image, the only option would be if the copyright was "donated" to us, and from what I've read I don't think they would be willing.  I haven't asked though.  I also think donating would be difficult because obviously the number of Sharon Tate photographs is finite.
 * You may be surprised. Since Wikipedia is non profit and the license guarantees that it remains free, they may be willing. The fact that it is free to be mirrored by commercial interests may be the sticking point you're right, but it is worth a shot. Yes they would have to be willing to donate a scan of the picture under GFDL or CC, but a scan certainly wouldn't matter on the finite number of pictures issue. - Taxman Talk 15:53, July 20, 2005 (UTC)


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User talk:Mylesmalley

Welcome from Redwolf24
Welcome!

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. We as a community are glad to have you and thank you for creating a user account! Here are a few good links for newcomers:
 * The Five Pillars of Wikipedia
 * How to edit a page
 * Editing, policy, conduct, and structure tutorial
 * Picture tutorial
 * How to write a great article
 * Naming conventions
 * Manual of Style
 * Merging, redirecting, and renaming pages
 * If you're ready for the complete list of Wikipedia documentation, there's also Topical index.

Yes some of the links appear a bit boring at first, but they are VERY helpful if you ever take the time to read them.

Remember to place any articles you create into a category so we don't get orphans.

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! By the way, please be sure to sign your name on Talk and vote pages using four tildes (~~~~) to produce your name and the current date, or three tildes (~~~) for just your name. If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the village pump or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome.

Redwolf24

P.S. I like messages :-P

Wikiproject New Brunswick
Hello Myles...I noticed you are a wikipedian in New Brunswick. Recently there has been a Wikiproject made for NB. Basically it is just a group of people gathered together to help improove NB articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to join just add your name to the list of members at WikiProject New Brunswick. We would love to see ya there! Take care.

Stu pendousmat 19:26, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

New 10,000 Challenge for Canada
Hi, WikiProject Canada/The 10,000 Challenge is up and running based on The 10,000 Challenge for the UK which has currently produced over 2300 article improvements and creations. If you'd like to see large scale quality improvements happening for Canada like The Africa Destubathon, which has produced over 1600 articles in 5 weeks, sign up on the page. The idea will be an ongoing national editathon/challenge for Canada but fuelled by a contest such as The North America Destubathon to really get articles on every province and subject mass improved. I would like some support from Canadian wikipedians here to get the Challenge off to a start with some articles to make doing a Destubathon worthwhile! Cheers. --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:55, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

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It's Not for Me to Say

"It's Not for Me to Say" is a 1957 popular song with music by Robert Allen and lyrics by Al Stillman. It was written for the 1957 movie Lizzie (starring Eleanor Parker), and was sung by Johnny Mathis in the film.

Mathis' recording of the song, arranged by Ray Conniff, was the most successful version, reaching number 5 on the Billboard Top 100 singles chart.

In Canada, the song was number two for seven weeks (June 24 - August 5), kept out of number one for six of those weeks by Elvis Presley's (Let Me Be Your) Teddy Bear.

Other film appearances

 * 1987 Tin Men - sung by Johnny Mathis.
 * 1988 Everybody's All-American - the Johnny Mathis version is heard.
 * 1990 Goodfellas - performed by Johnny Mathis. (The double date; Karen is introduced, and ignored by Henry)
 * 2007 Zodiac - sung by Johnny Mathis.
 * 2013 A Case of You - performed by Johnny Mathis.
 * 2014 Every Secret Thing - performed by Carolyn Leonhart

title: It's Not for Me to Say


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Anton Gustafsson tolkar Iron Maiden

Anton Gustafsson tolkar Iron Maiden (Swedish for "Anton Gustafsson Interprets Iron Maiden") is the first and only album by internet celebrity Anton Maiden. It was released in 1999. It consists entirely of MIDI covers of songs by the heavy metal band Iron Maiden, with vocals by Anton.

Track listing

 * 1) "Run to the Hills"
 * 2) "The Trooper"
 * 3) "The Number of the Beast"
 * 4) "2 Minutes to Midnight"
 * 5) "Aces High"
 * 6) "Die With Your Boots On"
 * 7) "Hallowed Be Thy Name"
 * 8) "Rime of the Ancient Mariner"
 * 9) "Flight of Icarus"
 * 10) "Seventh Son of a Seventh Son"
 * 11) "Powerslave"

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User talk:Jfdwolff/Archive 10

Ashkenazi
Hi, I reverted your changes, see the talk page - sorry. Maybe cutting down the Cochran reference is appropriate, but I think you deleted more than is right. Sincerely, Kaisershatner 17:29, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Cochrane et. al's paper is reported to be accepted for upcoming publishing in the Journal of Biosocial Science by a number of news sources, including in the NY Times and Economist articles, as well as, for example, this Jewish Journal article. I haven't seen mention of which issue it is slated for. Best,Nectarflowed T 21:27, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Adminship
You were right, it was silly of me to decline. I've filled out the requisition form for a mop. --W(t) 18:23, 2005 Jun 13 (UTC)

Helpguide
Hello there,

In regards to me being warned about "link spamming" - I found the tone a bit offensive. I was adding the articles as support for the topics and was unaware that this would be a problem. See Assume_good_faith.

~--Hlarson 00:36, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Hlarson, I'm sorry you're offended, but most anonymous editors inserting links are not here to help people but to advertise their site. If I could have read your mind things would have been different, but Wikipedia is frequently inundated with "spammers", which may explain my heavy-handed approach to you. Please enjoy Wikipedia by working on original content. External links are the least important part of a page; Google is better for this purpose. JFW | T@lk  06:48, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Mr. Wolff, I appreciate your response. I understand very well that there is a problem with spamming and apologize if my unregistered status was adding to the misunderstanding. For future reference, if the external link article name and actual site content support the topic at hand (and can be used for future content development for the wikipedia page), you might want to consider checking the resource out before launching your heavy-handed campaign. It's alienating. Regards, --Hlarson 22:04, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

useful information, please find the matching medical journal article
I have been reading the "useful information" you recently added to the AIDS article. Wher do I find the matching medical journal article.

The weakened immune system leaves a sufferer helpless to "opportunistic infections" that healthy patients would typically fight off. Words like "sufferer" and "helpless" seem to lack a NPOV. Also "opportunistic infections" is very 1983! see Pneumocystis jiroveci pneumonia, (formerly known as Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia)

Your statement "Without antiretroviral treatment, once these characteristic infections, called AIDS defining clinical conditions appear, death follows relatively quickly" is not supported by the published research. There was a link to the different survival times for differnet AIDS defining conditions, is is still there?

You claim that "Newer treatments, however, have played a part in delaying the onset of AIDS". What are these treatments and where were they published? The 2005 guidelines say the data is inconclusive - and since 2002 HIV infected people with CD4 above 350 and viral load under 100,000 are not treated.

Also I notice you deleted the link to the Panel on Clinical Practices for Treatment of HIV. September 2002. What was you reason for removing this? Is it not "useful information"?

Sci guy 14:15, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Sci guy, you left a long message on my talk page about a section I did not insert. The Taiwanese study that antiretroviral treatment decreases HIV transmission needs to be sourced, but the BBC is an adequate temporary source until the journal reference is found.

 * I've expressed my annoyance before that you constantly seem to be undermining consensus on HIV-related articles. As far as I'm concerned you have already shown your true colours in the reappraisal/Duesberg etc debate, and you don't seem to take sufficient distance to edit in an un-biased fashion. Wikipedia does not operate along true/false lines; all it does is aggregate knowledge and opinions. If 100,000 AIDS researchers link HIV to AIDS, and 100 do not, then numerically the deniers are a 0.1% minority, and Kary Mullis does not count double.

 * I do agree the Duesberg hypothesis needs mention somewhere on Wikipedia, but as with all other articles tiny POVs do not get mentioned in the article intro, however vociferous their defenders. Similarly, you are not in your right to suppress studies simply because they challenge this minority view.

 * As you will delete this post from your talkpage shortly, I'm cross-posting it to my own and will revert any removal. JFW | T@lk  14:26, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Thank you for confirming that you did not insert this version. which was logged at 13:53, 15 Jun 2005 Jfdwolff with the comment (rv suppression of useful information, please find the matching medical journal article). I can understand your annoyance that your user name was used by someone to add this material. Sci guy 02:47, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

User:Rabbis vs. real Rabbis
Dear Dr. Wolff: There is a new user who has chosen the controversial user name of of User:Rabbis for himself. I have just sent him a lengthy message with my concerns and a request that he change this name to avoid confusion with real Rabbis, see User talk:Rabbis. Perhaps you could help him choose another more appropriate name. This user's few entries have revolved around a vote in support of keeping a controverssial article (about some Jewish clergy meeting with the last Pope) that was eventually deleted downloading a newspaper article (because it mentions a cantor who later met with the Pope, singing at a concert) that is nominated for deletion  votes to keep a vanity article at  then votes to "undelete" article about anon cantor  then threatens "I've discussed the matter with my colleagues, and we are getting the Anti-Defamation League involved now" at Talk:Relations between Catholicism and Judaism, then inserts stuff into Relations between Catholicism and Judaism and is reverted twice  and  Please look into this. Thank you. IZAK 23:47, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Getting the ADL involved? Hahahahahahahaha. JFW | T@lk  00:04, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

User:Cantors vs. real Cantors
Hello again Dr. Wolff: This seems clearly related to the above User:Rabbis only this time my objections have been lodged against User:Cantors for similar reasons, see User talk:Cantors. This user may be a sockpuppet for User:Rabbis because of a corresposnding pattern and a fixated interest in "Eliezer Kepecs" almost exclusively. User:Cantors' first edit is on 17 May '05, and User:Rabbis was on 5 May '05. From the start, User:Cantors is focused on only one thing "Cantor Kepecs" (himself?), lists the article about himself (?) for "undeletion" and votes to "keep"  and  two vanity articles that are deleted, inserts and is reverted for interfering with undeletion policy discussions , and after placing six (!) "categories" on his user page has them removed  by an admin. This needs some serious correction. Thanks for your help. IZAK 02:03, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

VfD of User:Cantors
Under these extradordinarily confusing circumstances, I have now nominated the User:Cantors page for deletion of contents and also renaming. See Votes for deletion/Cantors. Thank you. IZAK 03:30, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Other user names with the same "Cantor" content
On User:Merlinzor and User talk:Merlinzor there is the same stuff repeated as on User:Cantors. Is this guy meshugge or what? IZAK 05:22, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * And again at User talk:Professor Kaufman, mostly the same as above. This is some nut. IZAK 03:28, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Userpages are not deleted unless offensive, but please IFD the images. JFW | T@lk  06:49, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Use of Prosaglandin in CHD
Do you know whether PGE is used only in cyanotic heart defects or if it is used in others as well?

 * I must admit I don't know. If you're really interested I can ask an acquaintance paediatrician. PGE is used to keep the DA open, that's all I remember from my paediatrics intership :-) JFW | T@lk  22:07, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

That would be great if you could, I only know of it's use in TGA because my daughter has it, I don't know other major CHD's that well...but I am guessing that since the DA is kept open in TGA to allow "red" blood into the body, then that is likely it's purpose in other CHD's as well.

Categ for deletion
Hi Dr. Wolff: Please see: Categories for deletion/Log/2005 June 17. Thank you and have a good Shabbes. IZAK 06:57, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Pentecost / pentacost
See my reply @ User_talk:Sam_Spade. Sam Spade 17:47, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Please see Talk:Pentecost. Sam Spade 22:04, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

You seem an interesting person, from what I have read on your user page. We both share an interest in the field of medicine, for example. As far as the particular we are debating, I have an easy answer.

 * a) rewrite the disambig yourself, in such a way to link to passover in a manner in which you accept, or

 * b) wait for someone else to comment, and seek concensus.

I agree that you and I seem unlikely to reach agreement for the immediate future. Sam Spade 22:29, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * actually my opinion pretty much consists of the erroneous redirect, and the fact there is a bit of ambiguity of if Shavuot includes passover. Anyhow, I'd like to see a disambig at passover to pentecost, and back again. That seems to me to be most helpful to the reader, who may be lost. Sam Spade 23:00, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Actually, I don't feel very strongly ;) How about we wait and see if anyone else comments or cares? Sam Spade 23:07, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * One can never be too careful... or polite! I really appreciated how amiably you handled our difference of opinion, that reflects very well on you. Cheers, Sam Spade 23:31, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Cancer
From Talk:Cancer:

 * Can someone find a better reference? Tempshill 23:27, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Look further down tha page. JFW | T@lk 23:34, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Actually I don't see any statistics at all on the page, except for a vague statement that cancer seems to be overtaking heart disease in the industrialized countries. Tempshill 20:13, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

"Bet"(ter dead or alive?)
Hello Dr. Wolff, please see revert history at Bet (letter). Is not the Hebrew language a vibrant living language whereas Phoenicia is a dead civilization and its language is an Extinct language? (As proof, see List of extinct languages where the Phoenician languages are in the "extinct" column.) Thanks. IZAK 09:11, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

diagnosis
You removed the article diagnosis from the healthcare category due to a concern about the healthcare category becoming overloaded. This is a fair argument about it being overloaded but I would highlight that there are a number of links you may wish to delete from the healthcare category that seem to be less clearly associated with healthcare than diagnosis. We need to be consistent after all. --Vincej 22:18, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Isha Katlanit
It seems to me strange to argue that the sentence: "Maimonides, consistent with his rational attitude, tried to make the Isha Katlanit rule less stricter" is not NPOV. Such an excessive attitude makes it difficult to say something meaningful in wikipedia. SHASHAZ 20:37, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

eerste nl.wikimedia.org ontmoeting
ik zou iedereen graag willen uitnodigen te overwegen of zij een rol willen en/of kunnen spelen in de oprichting van een nederlandse wikimedia-organisatie. een eerste ontmoeting wordt momenteel georganiseerd, zie daarvoor hier, op de nl.wikimedia.org wiki. er zijn nog vele stappen te nemen, en meer wikianen nodig, om e.e.a. op verantwoorde wijze verder te ontwikkelen. Radiant_ >|< 10:49, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

New to Wiki
Please could you tell me what the VFD initials stand for? (I came across them in a note of yours to IZAK) Also could I write IZAK as a link so that you could immediately jump to his talk page? It seems to come up as red not blue! Why is this and what does 'red' mean? Thank you. Jeffrey Newman 11:32, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Votes for deletion/WikiProject Addressing Anti-Jewish Bias
Thought you might be interested. Jayjg (talk) 22:42, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Your commenst needed for propose template
Gut Voch Dr. Wolff: I received the following and am posting it here FYI. Thanks IZAK 03:51, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hi IZAK - I would welcome your input on something that I have proposed at WP:WSS/C (the stub sorting wikiproject). I am largely responsible for the split of geography stubs into separate categories. At the moment, Category:Middle East geography stubs is getting fairly large, and the most obvious split of it is to make a separate category for Israel. BUT - and here is where the problem lies - understandably, several of the stubs could be just as easily stubbed with a template for Palestine, especially if they are to remain NPOV, and especially given the volatile claims to different parts of that troubled region.

I am proposing a category called Category:Israel-Palestine geography stubs, with two separate stub templates israel-geo-stub and palestine-geo-stub both leading to it. The resulting stub category would be a subcategory of both Category:Israel and Category:Palestine. It is, quite honestly, the only way I can think of to get around this delicate problem.

If you can think of any better way of working this, I would welcome any suggestions at WikiProject Stub sorting/Criteria. Thanks - Grutness...  wha?  10:31, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi Grutness, thank you for requesting my input. I will respond soon and will circulate your request to others for further input. IZAK 21:32, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * The more voices the better - if you know anyone willing to comment from the Palestinian viewpoint as well, it would be appreciated. Grutness...  wha?  23:29, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hi Jfdwolff, I saw your comment in the BMI article, weblinks section. I added my discussion entry und er BMI and I am looking forward to your input and advise how to proceed.

Some things to see
Hello Dr. Wolff: Be well. IZAK 28 June 2005 10:23 (UTC)
 * 1) See Votes for deletion/Log/2005 June 28. The article Sacha Pecaric has been nominated for removal to Jewish Polish current events.
 * 2) See Requests for adminship/Susvolans

help with block problem please
See my note admin noticeboard. I blocked the cancer vandal by ip range (your solution of protecting the article was better) and I just got asked to unblock someone affected. However, despite logging in several times, as I change pages my login is lost and I have no admin power. Can you please unblock the user? I will have to find out if I still hahave problems on my usual computer thanks 159.14.171.39 28 June 2005 15:35 (UTC) alteripse

EC numbers
Good work. I copied your idea and made Template:PDB :) See hemoglobin for some examples of how I think this could be used. Fuelbottle | Talk 29 June 2005 11:55 (UTC)

Caffeinism
Hello. Why did you revert my edits to caffeinism? -- ascorbic 30 June 2005 08:31 (UTC)

category: healthcare
May I suggest that in order to slim down the number of subcategories in category:healthcare we group together all the subcategory entries for healthcare systems in countries into a new category of category:healthcare by country. I will add this comment to the discussion page of category:healthcare. I am happy to proceed with this if there is no objection --Vincej 1 July 2005 13:24 (UTC)

Exanta
Sorry for being nasty but: Exanta is the first oral DTI, as intravenous direct thrombin inhibitors (made from Hirudo medicinalis, the medical leech) are available for years but due to their narrow therapeutic window not in use very frequent. There was a trial using Melagatran iv (to prevent clot forming during haemodialysis) but in the large european phase III trials in orthopaedic surgery (METHRO II, III, and EXPRESS) it was only used s.c. Converting the prodrug into the drug is performed, as you mentioned out, in the liver but also in nearly all other organs (gut, spleen, lung ..) because the enzymatic family that is responsible therefore is present in all organs in different concentration. However the liver- converting is not the main way and therefore cannot explain the elevation of the liver enzymes.

MGUS
Thanks for adding to the MGUS entry. I had always gathered conversion rates to mulitple myeloma were rather less than "2-3%" p.a.. Were did you get this number from (my, admittedly brief search, could not find a number to back up my local haematologists claim of "about 1-2% p.a."). Secondly you rearranged the order of the sentance about the alternatives for the "U", which is an improvement, but "uncertain" became "unclear" - is this correct ? David Ruben 3 July 2005 15:48 (UTC)

Hi, I'm a GP in Hoddesdon, Hertforshire, but have previous spent several years doing full-time GP locuming across North London. Much into medical computing and how badly it is done. Have intranet site at work (yet to get rest of staff into it) for helpsheets, huge directory of useful contact numbers and collection of management tit-bits gleened over several years from consultants. As I'm getting up to speed with Wikipedia, I'll try contributing more widely to medical topics. But off tomorrow for a well-deserved 2/52 holiday :-)

Request
Can you please look at 2004 Encyclopedia topics/U. There are a couple of medical issues in our effort to get all the articles in Britannica. Danny 3 July 2005 21:52 (UTC)

DiseaseDisorder Infobox
Per your questions: (1) "Shall we move it to a shorter name?" I wouldn't have a problem with moving it to a shorter name. I've seen lots of arguments about whether something was a disease or a disorder, and my goal was just to sidestep the argument by explictly incorporating both elements into the name. But if you wanted to move it to a new name, I wouldn't object. (2) "In the boxes you placed, each one says hypoglycemia". I apologize for my error. I was copying over the template, and forgot to substitute the name. It looks like you have already fixed this, and I thank you for doing so. (3) "Are we using ICD-9 codes (as you have done) or ICD-10 ones?" I see you have updated the template already, so that issue appears moot. I'll try to create a page List of ICD-10 codes, parallel to List of ICD-9 codes. Before I do so, do you know if 10 is free for us to use, and if there is a good site for us to get these codes? I know we had clearance on 9, per Talk:International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems. --Arcadian 5 July 2005 15:13 (UTC)

For your most recent questions -- I've answered them at Template talk:DiseaseDisorder infobox. (Hope you don't mind, I copied your last comments on my page there too -- it just seems more sustainable to manage the conversation there, rather than on our respective talk pages.) --Arcadian 6 July 2005 20:34 (UTC)

Putting a redirect page into a category
It seems that a while ago you inquired how to do it... It is a simple yet very unobvious trick; if you're still interested, take a look at Category_talk:Eponymous_diseases. GregorB July 5, 2005 19:36 (UTC)

 * Correction: it was User:Alex.tan who originally inquired, so I'll drop him a note too... GregorB July 5, 2005 19:44 (UTC)

Jewish Polish history issues
Hello Dr. Wolff: Would you care to take a look at the discussions (involving mainly User:Piotrus) at Talk:History of the Jews in Poland. The article was approaching 90k, and I created a template (JewishPolishHistory) into which I subdivided and placed all the original contents of the main article leaving it as a lead article for a longer series on Jewish-Polish history. Piotrus' objective was to have only one loooong article and to primarily make it into a "FA" (Featured Article), and I disagree with that focus (...how can you squeeze over 1000 years of history into one "FA" article?) His way would also leave the article as an appendix of Polish history mainly, rather than presenting the topic for what it is as the vast subject of Jewish-Polish history connected to the continuum of Jewish history as well. We have been reverting each others versions. Your sage counsel is needed. IZAK 6 July 2005 03:59 (UTC)

Category admin help needed
Hello Dr. Wolff: Could you please delete the duplicate category Category:Jewish South Africa history which I mistakenly created. I corrected it now to be Category:Jewish South African history (with an "n" at the end of "African") which is the more correct usage in this case and is also consistent with the names for the other countries listed in Category:Jewish history. Thanks a lot! Best wishes. IZAK 6 July 2005 11:13 (UTC)

 * Done. JFW | T@lk  6 July 2005 15:06 (UTC)

User:Eliezer's campaign against Gil Student
As you might be aware, Gil Student has written a book arguing against Lubavitch Messianic beliefs. User:Eliezer has now taken up a campaign against him, trying to remove all reference to Student from Wikipedia, including links to relevant sites. Could you look into this issue please? Thanks. Jayjg (talk) 6 July 2005 16:20 (UTC)
 * I have nothing against Gil Student from being mentioned in Wikipedia, it just needs to be in its rightful place like in the Talmud article. Sadly and "admirer" of his or he himself has chosen to add links around wikipedia in places where they don't belong. --Eliezer 6 July 2005 17:05 (UTC)

Nonsense. I did not object when you removed links to yasharbooks that clearly did not belong. However, some of the links were indeed relevant, and your excuses for removal were clearly bogus. As far as I can tell, the site was linked to in all of four Wikipedia articles. After creating the VfD on Gil Student, you proceeded to delete those four links, on various grounds. Two of the deletions were reasonable, but two were clearly not, despite your misuse of policy (or use of non-policy) as a justification. And your mention of the Talmud article (Student and the links have nothing to do with the article) is more evidence that this is simply another example of WP:POINT. Jayjg (talk) 6 July 2005 17:35 (UTC)

I voted keep on the VFD. The page does not bear out the guy's obvious notability. Whether he is pro- or anti-Chabad is not really relevant to the deletion issue. JFW | T@lk  6 July 2005 17:40 (UTC)

 * Jayjg, which links were relevant? the one in open source? the regulars there agree with me that it is not notable, the only one that upon further consideration might agree is the Judaism and Evolution, which I deleted because it was a commercial link, and you say that it is nonetheless relevant. And in regards to the Talmud article, Student is mentioned there as an "expert on exposing anti-Talmud accusations" and if I was out to get him, I would have removed this, however I am not out to get him, I am just removing the links that a certain person spammed all over Wikipedia for him. And regarding his wikipedia page, he himself admits that he isn't notable enough to have it, As do 90% of other people on wikipedia, (based on the votes and comments there). As for WP:POINT, you seem to be the one violating it, because when you see that your desires to keep Gil Student around wikipedia even in places that he doesn't belong, you start posting messages to peoples talk pages saying that I am on an anti student campaign, and reverting any changes with the same message. --Eliezer 7 July 2005 01:55 (UTC)

Please don't use my talkpage for this discussion. JFW | T@lk  7 July 2005 06:28 (UTC)

Anatomy
Hey - thanks for the compliment on the anatomy stuff. I've added a user page - afraid that with exams next week I find it hard to be anything *but* serious - but hey. Nick. Nmg20.

Do you really - small world, eh?! Whereabouts are you? Nmg20 7 July 2005 20:34 (UTC)

Edit summary from Jew
Heh. That edit summary you left reminds me of a good friend of mine (in a good way). I'd ask what that speedied article said, but I can pretty much guess just from the title. Cheers, A и D я 01D  TALK  EMAIL  July 8, 2005 00:31 (UTC)
 * By the way, that "Jewish economic laws" was actually the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition from Star Trek. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 8 July 2005 00:51 (UTC)

Leiden
Heej, ja klopt, Leidse medicus, 4e jaars inmiddels, bezig met mijn wetenschapsstage. Ik zag dat de Engelstalige Wikipedia inmiddels wel een pagina had over het LUMC en de Nederlandse nog niet, dus ik dacht, dat kan ik niet laten gebeuren :) Ik ben hier ook wel af en toe op de Engelstalige Wikipedia, maar vooral om interwiki's aan te leggen. Groeten vanuit Leiden, Tubantia 8 July 2005 9:29 (UTC)
 * Neuroradiologie, MRItjes vergelijken :) Tubantia 8 July 2005 12:36 (UTC)
 * Geen ID, ik kan het Van Buchem niet vragen, die heeft een sabattical year; ik zit hier trouwens wel via hem; Van den Berg ken ik (nog) niet. Tubantia 8 July 2005 15:10 (UTC)

Respiratory acidosis
Who wrote Respiratory acidosis? Was it you? It appears to be a copyvio from eMedicine.com. --Taejo 9 July 2005 09:59 (UTC)

Gil Student
Can you count the valid votes at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Gil_Student and take appropiate action, since you are an admin. It has been up for more than 5 days and is attracting too many unregistered voters. --Eliezer 12:17, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Votes_for_undeletion#Gil_Student where Gil Student was placed for a VFU, as you were a particapant in the earliar discussion I am letting you know about this vote. In my humble opinion there was nothing wrong with the process and therefore the original vote shoud stand. --Eliezer 06:35, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Welcoming template
Hi there! I was told you're one of the frequent welcomers of new users. I was wondering - since this is a rather frequently asked question, would you please add a link to Merge to your welcoming template? Thanks. Radiant_ >|< 20:40, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

 * Lo, the mergist speaks! Naturally, ik bedoel: natuurlijk. JFW | T@lk  20:42, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Mayo Clinic Linkspam
Hey JFW, I notice that you've been active reverting the linkspam from 129.176.151.7 and 129.176.151.6 to mayoclinic. While I agree with you that wikipedia is not a linkfarm, and I have been doing reversion too, I was wondering if you think that all of the links are bad? Mayo certainly is notable. However, until the anon user responds to the complaints in some form, I will continue to revert and block if necessary. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 19:45, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

DropDeadGorgias suggested that I drop you a line and point out my intentions to revert a select few of the reverts to the recent Mayo link spam. I'm not doing this without careful thought, and my personal project page lists the criteria that I will use and pages affected. Please let me know on the talk page for that project or my primary talk page if you have any concerns. Thanks! -Harmil 21:33, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I understand your concerns, but isn't it a bit of cutting off our nose to spite our collective faces to ignore the fact that someone has thrown us a huge pile of links into a well researched database? I think the "spammer" meant well, but was obviously going about it the wrong way. Rather than rewarding, I think we're leading by example if we re-insert the links in a clean and well documented way. The Mayo Clinic isn't a fly-by-night clickfarm looking for traffic, and quite frankly many of these WP articles are in horrible repair and could use the reference material for future edits.
 * Bottom line: would you object to my project in strong enough terms that I would actively be pissing you off by proceding, or can I go ahead? I'm not looking to become the bad guy here, just contribute. -Harmil 21:42, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

 * PS: Sorry about the double edit. WP was throwing errors on submit, and I thought one of the versions of my comment had not been saved.... -Harmil 21:43, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Scratch all of the above. I appologize, and retract my project. I just noticed that the Mayo pages have doubleclick ads on them to a corporate sponsor. That changes everything for me, and I will not be a part of something that's so obviously questionable. Sorry to take up your time. -Harmil 21:47, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

User:Cruise
A "kosher tax" conspiracist appears to have show up; see edits at Kosher and Kosher tax. Jayjg (talk) 21:08, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

His math was even worse than his arguments; he appears to have been off by a factor of, oh, about 10,000. See Talk:Kosher tax. Jayjg (talk) 21:31, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

User:Harmil/Mayo Cleanup Project
DropDeadGorgias suggested that I drop you a line and point out my intentions to revert a select few of the reverts to the recent Mayo link spam. I'm not doing this without careful thought, and my personal project page lists the criteria that I will use and pages affected. Please let me know on the talk page for that project or my primary talk page if you have any concerns. Thanks! -Harmil 21:31, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Support Wm Connelley's admin nomination
Connoley is a climate scientist & good contributor. Vote appears close. Can you support? alteripse 04:06, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

 * A bit too much controversy for my liking. JFW | T@lk  06:32, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

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