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Talk:Yitzhak Shamir

Terrorism?
The first paragraph says he was a leader of Lehi (militant group). The article for that group says it is a terrorist organisation, and the categories of that article say much the same. Would it be unfair to thus call it a terrorist group here on this article, rather than a "militant group"? Calling it a "militant group" sounds like it's being sugarcoated. 675930s (talk) 11:26, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

 * The article already references the term terrorism with regards to Lehi, and the group itself openly referred to its members as terrorists committing terror acts, so no, it would not be unfair. The Lehi article calls it a 'paramilitary and terrorist organization', which could be contracted to 'paramilitary terrorist group'. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:54, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I removed the terrorist phrase. The articles for Michael Collins, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, Abu Nidal, Ahmed Yassin, Osama Bin Laden, etc. don't directly use the word "terrorist" to refer to these people, despite them all being responsible for terrorist attacks. I also question the relevance of the Lehi article's description as a terror movement when the pages for ISIL, Hamas, Red Army Faction, IMRO, Hezbollah, Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam and many more don't follow the same pattern. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 01:31, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * As mentioned above, Lehi's rather exceptional situation is that its members referred to themselves as 'terrorists' in addition to being labelled as such. Iskandar323 (talk) 05:59, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Terrorism had a different definition in the past. The Jacobins called themselves terrorists, by that standard, should our article on them call them terrorists too? Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 21:30, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
 * They are known for presiding over a "Reign of Terror", yes, and some modern sources certainly toy with the idea of whether they could have that label. Obviously the values of connotations of words change with time, though I think in the case of 'terrorist', the meaning has not changed all that much. However, the Jacobins were of a different era of history altogether, the tail end of the early modern period (a full two centuries back) vs our later modern/ contemporary. Lehi were modern, post-WWII and I see little semantic shift since then. Iskandar323 (talk) 03:31, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The meaning of "terrorist" at the time of Lehi was practically identical to its meaning now. There is absolutely no doubt that a group today which does the same sort of things as Lehi did would be called terrorist. Zerotalk 03:55, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes but the Narodnaya Volya secret society also called themselves terrorists, and were such by every definition of the word. Yet the article on Józef Piłsudski, who was himself a member and was sent to Siberia for his involvement. (BTW- It were these Polish and Russian terrorist organizations Lehi was explicitly involved by.)
 * Yet the article for Piłsudski never calls hims a terrorist, indeed the word "terrorist" only appears once, in a reference to the OUN. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 01:56, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Dunutubble: Yes, but Piłsudski was only with that organization for two years before his arrest for plotting. Not clear he actually did anything. Iskandar323 (talk) 05:57, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Yitzhak Shamir and Poland
@GizzyCatBella Hello again friend!

Yes, Yitzhak Shamir was Prime Minister for over 6 years so of course he said a lot of stuff. However these words were very controversial in Poland in the 90s and are still periodically quoted both in Poland and Israel. You suggest me to create a new article about it, but really it would only be an obscure stub and I don't think that would be helpful. I find this clarification welcome for Polish/Israeli readers as a lot has been distorted around the subject as a whole; the many articles about the history of Polish Jews, Poland during WW2 being protected on here attest to this.

The original interview was far longer, I only picked the most important paragraph in my opinion. Could you please clarify why you don't find this useful to be mentioned? Synotia (talk) 22:01, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

 * Wow, you removed any mentioned of it! Although in Poland he is largely remembered for this specifically... Synotia (talk) 22:02, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
 * This isn’t Polish Wikipedia. - GizzyCatBella  🍁  22:04, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I knew you would say this :) however I fail to see how this is a valid argument for removing an entire section about an event that caused a diplomatic spat between two countries from being covered in the language of diplomacy? Synotia (talk) 22:08, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

 * I think it is worth 1 sentence. No more, no less. Zerotalk 05:24, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

 * @Zero0000 Adjust please if you think it’s worth it. I’m okay with 1 sentence - GizzyCatBella  🍁  08:18, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Why? Is there such a lack of space? With one sentence one can make all sorts of hasty conclusions. GizzyCatBella says this is not Polish Wikipedia, I'll say that Wikipedia is not Twitter :-)
 * Unless you also wish to turn it into a small separate stub or something? Synotia (talk) 08:48, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @Synotia It’s called WP:UNDUE - GizzyCatBella  🍁  08:51, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't think WP:UNDUE applies in this situation.
 * From what I understand, WP:UNDUE is to prevent viewpoints from having more weight in the article than they have in the actual world.
 * to prevent half the article about Planet Earth from being about the Flat Earth Society's points of view, as similarly illustrated over there.
 * What we have here instead is,rather, a controversial quote, with a response by Michnik (editor of a prominent newspaper) illustrating the common feeling among the Polish people regarding this statement coupled with the concept of Western betrayal (recurring in Polish discourse), and a short quote of Shamir clarifying what he said. All this rich, eye-opening assortment would fit within less than one tenth of the article's words. Is it that much? Was the policy established for such cases? I'm not sure about that.
 * I don't think this is undue weight as it still influences Polish perception on Israel (and by extent Jews). Even more than two decades later a whole Visegrad meeting was canceled all because an Israeli minister repeated that famous string of words, causing again debate around these very words. Going back on your old comment: while Polish is the language of Poland, English is the language of diplomacy, and therefore I absolutely think this matter of diplomacy is worth mentioning on the English Wikipedia. Synotia (talk) 09:06, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Right now the majority (2 out of 3) say --> 1 sentence. No more, no less . - GizzyCatBella  🍁  09:56, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * What a consensus!
 * I've moved hands and feet to explain my point of view to you, and what I get in return is a government clerk response! Such reverting without elaboration is absolutely puzzling. What are talk pages for? Synotia (talk) 10:02, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Without weighing in on the other issues at hand here, a published award receipt speech by a member of the media (the Michnik piece) is a lot more akin to a reprinted opinion piece than anything else - it clearly does not fall under the usual category of editorially vetted secondary analysis. Simple reprinting is also not really reliable coverage. Iskandar323 (talk) 13:07, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Hmm, could you please show me a guideline that points to this? Synotia (talk) 13:10, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * It states that it is a reprinted speech, so it's clearly not a normal piece of editorial. I'm not sure what you want a guideline to tell you. Iskandar323 (talk) 16:58, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I meant: something about what is relevant secondary analysis and what is not Synotia (talk) 17:02, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Well if it's not editorial, it's opinion, so it becomes a question of how much weight to give an opinion in someone else's biography. Iskandar323 (talk) 17:49, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah now I understand. Well I've already covered that here above. Synotia (talk) 17:54, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Terror?
Lehi was not a terror organization 2A02:6680:1102:247D:BCFE:500D:BDA0:B213 (talk) 08:49, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

 * Yes, Lehi was a Zionist paramilitary organization that operated in the British Mandate of Palestine between 1940 and 1948. While the group is often accused of carrying out "terrorist" attacks against British and Arab targets during this period, this characterization is not entirely accurate.
 * For starters, Lehi was founded on the basis of a coherent ideology of Jewish nationalism, rather than on the desire to cause chaos and destruction. Additionally, the violence perpetrated by Lehi was not indiscriminate. The group targeted specific individuals and institutions that they saw as legitimate targets in their struggle for independence, such as British military and government installations. They did not engage in the deliberate targeting of civilians, which is a hallmark of terrorist organizations.
 * It is also worth noting that Lehi was not the only group in Palestine engaging in violent resistance against the British Mandate. Groups such as the Haganah and Irgun also engaged in attacks against British targets, but are not typically labeled as terrorist organizations. This raises questions about why Lehi specifically is targeted with this label.
 * Additionally while it is true that members of Lehi referred to themselves as "terrorists," this was not necessarily meant in the same way that the term is commonly used today.During the time that Lehi was active, the term "terrorist" had a different meaning and was often used to describe those who engaged in political violence for a specific cause. In this context, members of Lehi may have referred to themselves as "terrorists" to signify their commitment to the cause of Jewish independence and their willingness to use force to achieve it.
 * Furthermore, while Lehi did engage in violent attacks against British and Arab targets, they did not necessarily consider these attacks to be acts of terror. The group saw themselves as engaged in a legitimate struggle for Jewish independence and believed that their actions were necessary to achieve their goals.
 * Overall, while it is true that Lehi engaged in violence during their struggle for Jewish statehood in Palestine, it is not entirely accurate to label them as a terror organization. While their actions may have been controversial they were driven by a complex political context and a strong ideological vision. Thus the Lehi should be classified as a paramilitary group.  Alexandria Bucephalous (talk) 04:26, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Round and round we go. Lehi literally called its own members terrorists and admitted to carrying out terror attacks with the express intention of causing terror. They were engaged in bombings, civilian massacres and the assassination of UN diplomat. This has been discussed many times, but no amount of rhetorical equivocation is going to wipe away the indelible violent history. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:15, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for bringing up this point. While it is true that members of Lehi referred to themselves as "terrorists" and engaged in violent attacks against British and Arab targets, it is important to consider the context in which these actions took place.
 * It is true that Lehi carried out attacks that resulted in the deaths of civilians and diplomatic personnel. However, it is important to consider the political and social context in which these actions took place, as well as the motivations and ideologies of the individuals involved.
 * It is worth noting that the group was founded on a specific ideology of Jewish nationalism and was engaged in a struggle for independence in a highly contested and politically charged region. Additionally, it is worth considering the fact that other groups, such as the Haganah and Irgun, also engaged in violent actions against British targets, but are not typically labeled as terrorist organizations.
 * In any case, it is important to approach this topic with sensitivity and an understanding of the complex historical and political factors at play. While the actions of Lehi are certainly controversial, it is important to avoid demonizing or oversimplifying the issue. Thus calling them a terrorist organisation is inappropriate. Alexandria Bucephalous (talk) 12:15, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The same sort of stuff can be written about lots of historical terrorists groups. They engaged in terrorism so they were terrorists, no amount of playing with words can change that basic fact. Zerotalk 12:44, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * It is illogical to insist on labeling groups like Lehi as terrorists simply because of their violent actions. Such simplistic and one-dimensional thinking ignores the complex historical and political context in which these actions took place. Lehi was founded on a specific ideology of Jewish nationalism and was engaged in a struggle for independence in a highly contested region. Moreover, other groups like the Haganah and Irgun also engaged in violent actions against British targets, yet they are not typically labeled as terrorist organizations.
 * The label "terrorism" is often contested and lacks a clear definition, with political ideology and cultural bias playing a major role in its usage. Simply branding the Lehi as a "terrorist organization" based solely on their actions ignores the bigger picture and risks oversimplifying and misunderstanding complex historical and political realities. I still maintain that calling them a terrorist organisation is inappropriate.  Alexandria Bucephalous (talk) 13:38, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * To those who allege that I am "playing with words" or my arguments are "rhetorical equivocation":
 * As an active participant in discussions surrounding the contentious topic of classifying a group as a "terrorist organization," I recognize the importance of approaching such debates with a nuanced and historically-informed perspective. It is essential that we pay careful attention to the language and phrasing used in these discussions, as they are a fundamental aspect of accurately conveying the complexity of the matter at hand.
 * It is therefore misguided and unconstructive to dismiss my contributions as mere "playing with words," as such a statement not only diminishes the thoughtfulness and care with which I approach these discussions, but also belies the complex nature of the subject matter at hand. As a conscientious contributor to this page, I take great pains to ensure that my contributions are factually accurate and objectively representative of the historical and political realities of the topic being discussed.
 * Moreover, the use of the term "terrorism" is not a straightforward or universally accepted label, as it is influenced by a myriad of subjective political, cultural, and historical factors. As such, to trivialize the importance of carefully considering language and phrasing when discussing issues related to terrorism is to overlook the vital role that language plays in accurately conveying the nuances and complexities of these matters.
 * To approach discussions regarding the classification of a group as a "terrorist organization" with sensitivity and historical context is crucial, as doing so allows for a more comprehensive and nuanced understanding of the historical events and political realities at play. It is only through an objective and thoughtful analysis of such issues that we can arrive at a more accurate and informed understanding of the Lehi and its activities.
 * As an aside, the phrase "rhetorical equivocation" is engaging in its own form of rhetorical equivocation by playing with words and meaning! Alexandria Bucephalous (talk) 13:45, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Additionally It is crucial to maintain consistency in the language used to describe organizations on Wikipedia. This ensures that readers can trust the accuracy and impartiality of the information provided. To achieve this consistency, we must look to the lead section of relevant pages as a guide for the appropriate terminology.
 * In the case of Lehi, it is worth noting that the lead section of its Wikipedia page does not explicitly refer to the group as a terrorist organization. Therefore, it would be inappropriate to refer to Lehi as a terrorist organization on this page or any other page on Wikipedia.
 * Maintaining consistency in our language choices is essential to uphold the integrity of the information we provide on Wikipedia. By avoiding potentially inflammatory terms and using neutral language, we can ensure that our content remains objective and unbiased. Calling them a terrorist organisation is inappropriate ! Alexandria Bucephalous (talk) 14:17, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Irgun is also routinely called a terrorist organisation. Iskandar323 (talk) 14:30, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * In fact, both Lehi and Irgun were routinely called terrorist by the mainstream Yishuv organizations. Zerotalk 03:37, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Zero0000
 * It behooves us to acknowledge that the perception of the Irgun and Lehi as terrorist organizations was not all-encompassing within the Yishuv. While it may be accurate that certain groups within the Yishuv rebuked their tactics, others regarded them as legitimate resistance movements, contending for Jewish self-determination.
 * Furthermore, the tagging of the Irgun and Lehi as "terrorist" was frequently influenced by political interests, as various factions within the Yishuv had distinct views on the most effective ways to accomplish their goals. While some believed armed resistance to be a necessary means, others preferred diplomatic and negotiation tactics. Therefore, it is imperative that we recognize the multifaceted nature of the political landscape at that time and refrain from relying solely on labels that were affixed by particular groups or individuals. Alexandria Bucephalous (talk) 03:49, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Iskandar323
 * While some people view the Irgun as a terrorist organization, it is not accurate to say that this view is held by the majority. Most scholars and historians view the Irgun as a paramilitary organization that engaged in violent acts in pursuit of its political goals. They argue that the group's actions were consistent with the tactics employed by other nationalist and anti-colonial movements of the time. In this view, the Irgun's activities were part of a larger struggle for independence and self-determination.
 * Furthermore, the Irgun was not officially designated as a terrorist organization by any government or international organization during its existence. While some individuals and groups may have condemned the group's actions as terrorism, this does not necessarily reflect the views of the wider public or the academic community.
 * Note that the lead paragraph of the Irgun's wikipedia page mentions it to be a "Zionist paramilitary organization", and the view that it was a terror organization, although mentioned, is not included in the primary description of the organization. Alexandria Bucephalous (talk) 03:42, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Most scholars and historians view the Irgun as a paramilitary organization that engaged in violent acts in pursuit of its political goals What are the sources reviewed in order to reach this conclusion? Selfstudier (talk) 09:23, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * There are many:
 * Britannica: "Irgun Zvai Leumi" (n.d.). In Encyclopædia Britannica online. Retrieved from https://www.britannica.com/topic/Irgun-Zvai-Leumi
 * World Affairs Council of Houston: "The Israel-Palestine Conflict" (n.d.). In Educator Resources. Retrieved from https://wachouston.org/educator-resources/the-israel-palestine-conflict/
 * United States Holocaust Memorial Museum: "Portrait of Zev Jabotinsky" (n.d.). In Collections Search. Retrieved from https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/pa1044273
 * Israel Hayom: "Former MK Geula Cohen, right-wing icon, dies" (2019, December 19). In News. Retrieved from https://www.israelhayom.com/2019/12/19/former-mk-geula-cohen-right-wing-icon-dies/
 * The Jerusalem Post: "Opinion: The odd couple – America and the Middle East" (2021, January 27). In Opinion. Retrieved from https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-731154
 * Jewish Virtual Library: "Background and Overview of the Irgun (Etzel)" (n.d.). In Jewish Virtual Library. Retrieved from https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/background-and-overview-of-the-irgun-etzel
 * Note that the cited sources are a diverse group of websites and organiztions that provide reliable information on the topic. Encyclopædia Britannica is a well-known and respected encyclopedia that provides factual and scholarly information. The World Affairs Council of Houston is a non-profit organization that aims to educate the public on global issues, including the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum is a respected institution dedicated to remembering the Holocaust and educating the public about its history. Israel Hayom is a popular Israeli newspaper that provides news and opinion pieces on current events. The Jerusalem Post is another respected Israeli newspaper that provides news and opinion pieces on current events. Finally, the Jewish Virtual Library is a reputable online encyclopedia that provides information on Jewish history and culture. Alexandria Bucephalous (talk) 03:55, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Britannica: "Irgun committed acts of terrorism"; WAC: "Terrorist attacks against the British were carried out by both Palestinian and Jewish nationalists; most famous among these was the 1946 bombing of the King David Hotel by Irgun"; USHMM: that page is not about this Irgun; Newspaper opinion columns don't count; JVL is a partisan unreliable source. Overall it is hard to see your point. Committing "violent acts in pursuit of its political goals" is what terrorist groups do. Zerotalk 05:39, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Here are (1) public statement by the Jewish Provisional Government 6 months before independence; (2) Declaration of Lehi as a terrorist organization by the Israeli government 4 months after independence. Zerotalk 05:48, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

 * BTW, Geulah Cohen' autobiography is called: Woman of Violence: Memoirs of a Young Terrorist, 1943-1948, cheers, Huldra (talk) 22:51, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Lehi was a confirmed terrorist group.
"Shamir was a leader of the Zionist militant group Lehi".

Lehi was deemed a terrorist group. They were responsible for the killing of Palestinians and foreign state diplomats. 74.85.118.66 (talk) 05:05, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Bridget Jones: The Edge of Reason

Untitled
I'm placing this image here until the article is expanded. Lachatdelarue (talk) 18:58, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Why?! -- Jerry Crimson Mann 13:37, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Indeed... Why? Retodon8 21:02, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Colon ":" in title (namespace)?
Should this (or any) article have a colon ":" in its title, because those are typically used for Namespace stuff. It also screws up the piping; instead of just removing the bracketed "film" part, it removed everything before the colon as well. I can't find anything about it in the Wiki documentation. Retodon8 21:02, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Need new location for remaining trivia
If this can be verified, I think it might fit under an Errors section?
 * During the ski break in Lech am Arlberg, there is a scene with Bridget in a pharmacy. In the original English language version of the film, the people in the pharmacy are dubbed in Bavarian. This is odd to a local viewer of the film, as the language spoken in Lech is Walser German (unless the people, including the employees, are all from Bavaria).

Csonnich 21:08, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Differences between U.S. and U.K. version?
The article states, that there are differences between the U.S. and U.K. versions and evan an alternate ending. But what are the differences? I couldn't find anything on the net, that there really is an alternative version. The IMDB also doesn't describe it. --88.68.127.113 (talk) 00:02, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd like to know as well. After I watched the British/German cut yesterday, I trimmed the excessive plot and didn't notice any differences. (Your IP resolves to Germany, so my reply to you may not help you at all.) – sgeureka t•c 00:13, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

 * I came here just for this very reason myself. Why include an uncited statement about differences and an alternate ending if the article isn't going to elaborate? If this statement cannot be cited, I think it should be removed. Thanks, Wordreader (talk) 01:43, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

The book on the plane
Her friend and a boy ( Jed ) are reading "The beach" by Alex Garland []

Gross
Refers to 'Domestic' figure. Surely 'Domestic' in the context of a British/European film should be the gross in the country of production and not the US which is very confusing as obviously not all people reading Wiki are American. Internationally should be US and World. Domestic should refer to British gross. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.131.128 (talk) 23:21, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Country
The article Infobox previous listed the country/countries as UK, France, Germany, Ireland, USA. This was not sourced so I can understand why it might have been deleted but it does match up with the countries listed by by the BFI (except Germany).

All but the UK were removed with the edit summary "All three producers and production companies are purely British".
 * Little Bird Limited seems to have been an Irish film company, that has since gone out of business.
 * StudioCanal is a French company
 * Working Title is British

Other than the BFI as a reliable source saying so, it is not entirely clear if USA should be listed or not. -- 109.78.207.148 (talk) 16:21, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

-- 109.78.207.148 (talk) 16:26, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

I've restored the 4 countries UK, France, Ireland, and USA with the BFI as a source. -- 109.78.207.148 (talk) 00:51, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Budget
The budget was previously listed as $40 million (based on Box Office Mojo) but I noticed The Numbers put the budget higher at $50 million and added that number too. (Template:Infobox film warns not to cherry pick sources.) But then I found CNN said the budget was $70 million which sounds implausibly high, so perhaps they were including other costs such as marketing and distribution too. Even at $40 million TEoR is already the most expensive of the three Bridget Jones films. -- 109.78.207.148 (talk) 01:01, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Bridget Jones's Diary which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 23:30, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Merge soundtrack article?
Even when the soundtrack album is notable per WP:NALBUM and/or WP:GNG, I have concerns about the ability of the article "Bridget Jones: The Edge of Reason (soundtrack)" to grow well and to hold on its own as stand-alone article. Furthermore, the soundtrack itself mostly contains previously released songs. Somehow, my merger was reverted. --George Ho (talk) 23:16, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Support merge per nom. Both subjects are notable, but will be better served in a single article. --Muhandes (talk) 10:01, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Support; I doubt the page has much room to grow beyond where it's already at (Unless there's an untapped collection of reviews/coverage that haven't been added yet). There's not quite enough there that it feels like it needs to be a standalone, and it'd slot easily into the main article. QuietHere (talk) 12:34, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Support - minimal content present, unlikely to grow considering the music was all previously released and not specifically written or recorded for the movie. Sergecross73   msg me  18:51, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Update: Per above votes, I went bold and re-redirected the soundtrack article to the film one. I may stand corrected otherwise. --George Ho (talk) 11:38, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

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James Westerfield

James A. Westerfield (March 22, 1913 – September 20, 1971) was an American character actor of stage, film, and television.

Early life
Westerfield was born in Nashville, Tennessee, to candy-maker Brasher Omier Westerfield and his wife Dora Elizabeth Bailey. He was raised in Detroit, Michigan. (A news story in the June 12, 1949, issue of the Brooklyn Daily Eagle calls the information in the preceding sentence into question. It describes Westerfield as "the son of a famous producer-director" and says he was "a youngster in Denver, Col.")

Stage
Westerfield became interested in theatre as a young man and in the 1930s joined Gilmor Brown's famed Pasadena Community Playhouse, appearing in dozens of plays. He played in numerous films following his screen debut in 1940, then went to New York City and performed on Broadway, winning two New York Drama Critics' Circle Awards for his supporting roles in The Madwoman of Chaillot and Detective Story. He then returned to Hollywood and was cast in more than 40 additional films.

Despite his growing involvement acting in motion pictures and later in television productions, Westerfield maintained an active interest in the theatre for the remainder of his career. He directed more than 50 musicals in a summer-musical tent he owned in Danbury, Connecticut, and was the original stage director and producer for the Greek Theatre in Los Angeles. He directed three seasons of "Theatre Under the Stars" in Vancouver, British Columbia, and appeared in musical roles with the Detroit Civic Light Opera, the Los Angeles Civic Light Opera, and the San Francisco Civic Light Opera. He also was active in the Gaetano Merola Opera Company in San Francisco in the early 1940s.

Film
On film, Westerfield had roles in The Magnificent Ambersons (1942), On the Waterfront (1954), Lucy Gallant (1955), the 1957 Budd Boetticher-directed Western Decision at Sundown starring Randolph Scott, 'Cowboy' (1958), a repeating role in The Shaggy Dog, The Absent-Minded Professor (1961) and its sequel Son of Flubber (1963), Birdman of Alcatraz (1962), Man's Favorite Sport (1964), The Sons of Katie Elder (1965), Hang 'Em High (1968), and True Grit (1969).

Television
Westerfield had many roles on television, including seven episodes as John Murrel from 1963 to 1964 on ABC's The Travels of Jaimie McPheeters, starring child actor Kurt Russell in the title role. He made two guest appearances on Perry Mason, including the role of Sheriff Bert Elmore in the 1957 episode "The Case of the Angry Mourner", as well as in the role of murder victim Roger Quigley in the 1961 episode "The Case of the Resolute Reformer". He also appears in the 1954 episode "Texas Draw" on the Western The Lone Ranger.

Some other examples of Westerfield's work on television include performances on series such as The Rifleman, The Californians, Richard Diamond, Private Detective, The Alaskans, The Rebel, Straightaway, Going My Way, The Asphalt Jungle, Hazel, The Twilight Zone, The Big Valley, The Andy Griffith Show, Daniel Boone, The Beverly Hillbillies, two episodes of Maverick, and four episodes of Gunsmoke. He played the circus leader, Dr. Marvello, in an episode of Lost in Space "Space Circus" (1966), My Three Sons "A horse for Uncle Charlie" (1968).

Personal life
Westerfield as a young man was a roommate of fellow Pasadena Playhouse actor George Reeves. The two remained close friends until Reeves's death in 1959.

In the 1950s, Westerfield's wife was the former Frances Lansing, who had been an actress. Later, Westerfield was married to Alice G. Fay (an actress under the name Fay Tracey).

Westerfield died from a heart attack in Woodland Hills, California, at the age of 58.

Selected filmography

 * The Howards of Virginia (1940) - Backwoodsman (film debut, uncredited)
 * Highway West (1941) - Swede, Trucker at Cafe
 * The Bashful Bachelor (1942) - Carnival Pitchman (uncredited)
 * About Face (1942) - Soldier with Daisy (uncredited)
 * The Magnificent Ambersons (1942) - Policeman at Accident (uncredited)
 * The Pride of the Yankees (1942) - Spectator (uncredited)
 * Timber (1942) - Lumberjack (uncredited)
 * Around the World (1943) - Bashful Marine (uncredited)
 * Since You Went Away (1944) - Convalescent on Rehab Steps (uncredited)
 * O.S.S. (1946) - Detective Roberts (uncredited)
 * Undercurrent (1946) - Henry Gilson
 * The Chase (1946) - Job the Butler
 * Side Street (1950) - Patrolman Charlie (uncredited)
 * Ma and Pa Kettle Go to Town (1950) - Harvey, Zoo Attendant (uncredited)
 * The Whistle at Eaton Falls (1951) - Joe London
 * On The Waterfront (1954) - Big Mac
 * Three Hours to Kill (1954) - Sam Minor
 * The Human Jungle (1954) - Police Captain Marty Harrison
 * The Violent Men (1954) - Sheriff Magruder
 * Chief Crazy Horse (1955) - Caleb Mantz
 * Cell 2455, Death Row (1955) - Red (uncredited)
 * The Cobweb (1955) - James Petlee
 * The Scarlet Coat (1955) - Colonel Jameson
 * Lucy Gallant (1955) - Harry Wilson
 * Man with the Gun (1955) - Mr. Zender
 * Away All Boats (1956) - 'Boats' Torgeson
 * Three Brave Men (1956) - Chief of Police Timothy Aloysius O'Reilly
 * Jungle Heat (1957) - Harvey Mathews
 * Decision at Sundown (1957) - Otis
 * Alfred Hitchcock Presents (1958) (Season 4 Episode 8: "Safety for the Witness") - Police Commissioner Cummings
 * Cowboy (1958) - Mike Adams
 * The Proud Rebel (1958) - Birm Bates
 * The Walter Winchell File "The Window" (1958) - Joe Vivianno
 * The Hangman (1959) - Herb Loftus
 * The Shaggy Dog (1959) - Officer Hanson
 * The Gunfight at Dodge City (1959) - Reverend Howard
 * Alfred Hitchcock Presents (1960) (Season 5 Episode 34: "Cell 227") - Pops Lafferty
 * New Comedy Showcase (1960) (Season 1 Episode 3: "They Went Thataway") - Black Ace Burton
 * Wild River (1960) - Cal Garth
 * The Plunderers (1960) - Mike Baron, Saloon Owner
 * Bonanza (1960-1970, two episodes) - Sheriff John Logan / Arthur Blackwell
 * The Absent-Minded Professor (1961) - Police Officer Hanson
 * Homicidal (1961) - Alfred S. Adrims
 * Birdman of Alcatraz (1962) - Jess Younger
 * Son of Flubber (1963) - Police Officer Hanson
 * Man's Favorite Sport (1964) - Policeman
 * Bikini Beach (1964) - Cop #2
 * The Sons of Katie Elder (1965) - Mr. Vennar
 * That Funny Feeling (1965) - Officer Brokaw
 * Lost in Space (1966) - Dr. Marvello
 * Dead Heat on a Merry-Go-Round (1966) - Jack Balter
 * A Man Called Gannon (1968) - Amos
 * Blue (1968) - Abe Parker
 * Hang 'Em High (1968) - Prisoner
 * Smith! (1969) - Sheriff
 * True Grit (1969) - Judge Parker
 * The Love God? (1969) - Reverend Wilkerson
 * Dead Aim (1971) - John Applebee (final film)

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Lambchop (band)

Lambchop, originally Posterchild, is an American band from Nashville, Tennessee.

Description and history
Initially formed as a three piece in 1986 with Kurt Wagner, bassist Marc Trivillion and guitarist Jim Watkins with the name Posterchild. They released some low-fi bedroom recordings on cassette such as I’m Fucking Your Daughter. In 1992 they released a split 7” with Crop Circle Hoax which got the attention of entertainment lawyer George Regis, who sued on behalf of the similarly named band Poster Children. After trying a few different names they settled on Lambchop and signed to Merge Records in 1993 releasing their debut single Nine that year.

Never a band with a "core" lineup, Lambchop has consisted of a large and fluid collective of musicians focused around its creative centre, frontman Kurt Wagner. Lambchop is loosely associated with the alternative country genre. Initially indebted to traditional country, the music has subsequently moved through a range of influences including post-rock, soul and lounge music.

Whatever the style, the characteristic mood of Lambchop's music is evoked by Wagner's distinctive songwriting: lyrically subtle and ambiguous, the vocals melodic but understated. American Songwriter described Wagner's lyrics as "witty and deeply insightful."

They were the backing band for Vic Chesnutt on his 1998 album The Salesman and Bernadette.

Singer Kurt Wagner is married to founder of Nashville 90's record store, Lucy's Record Shop and Tennessee Democratic Party leader Mary Mancini.

Personnel
Summary of members as credited on studio albums (1994–present)

Former bass player Marc Trovillion died of a heart attack in October 2013, aged 56.

Releases as Posterchild

 * "An Open Fresca" / "A Moist Towlette" (split with Crop Circle Hoax) (1992)

Cassettes

 *  Secret Secret Sourpuss  (1990)
 *  Big Tussie  (1992)
 *  Sorry About The Deformed Heart  (split with Crop Circle Hoax and Spent) (1993)

Singles

 * "Nine" / "Moody Fucker" (1993)
 * "My Cliche" / "Loretta Lung" (1994)
 * "Soaky in the Pooper" (1994)
 * "Your Life As A Sequel" (1995)
 * "Scared Out Of My Shoes" (split 5" vinyl single with Spent) (1995)
 * "The Man Who Loved Beer" (1996)
 * "Hank" (1996)
 * "Cigaretiquette" / "Mr. Crabby" (1996)
 * "Whitey" / "Playboy, the Shit" (1997)
 * "Give Me Your Love (Love Song)" (1998)
 * "Your Fucking Sunny Day" (1998)
 * "Up with People!" / "Miss Prissy" (2000)
 * "Is a Woman" (2002)
 * "Something's Going On (And On)" (2004)
 * "The Hustle" / "When You Were Mine" (2017)

Compilation albums

 * Tools in the Dryer (2001)
 * The Decline of the Country and Western Civilization (1993-1999) (2006)
 * The Decline of Country and Western Civilization, Part 2: The Woodwind Years (2006)
 * Broken Hearts & Dirty Windows: Songs of John Prine (2010)
 * Turd Goes Back: Essential Tracks from Secret Secret Sourpuss & Big Tussie (2011)

Tour only albums

 * Pet Sounds Sucks (Live at The Great American Music Hall, San Francisco) (2002)
 * Mono (Live in Würselen, Germany) (2003-04)
 * Nashville Does Dallas (2004)
 * Boo Fucking Who? (Live in Brussels, Belgium) (2004)
 * Succulence (Live in Vienna, Austria) (2006)
 * Rainer on My Parade (Live, various locations) (2008)
 * Democracy (2012)
 * Live At The Shanghai Symphony Chamber Hall (2017)

EPs

 * Hank (1996)
 * The Queens Royal Trimma (Live Royal Festival Hall, London – Tour Only) (2000)
 * Treasure Chest of the Enemy (Tour Only) (2001)
 * CoLab (with Hands Off Cuba) (2005)
 * Mr. N (2012)
 * Basement Tapes (2019)

Live albums

 * Live at XX Merge (2009)

DVDs

 * No Such Silence (2007)

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User:John Henry DeJong (renamed)

This user (a vandal) was renamed to his present name so that the real John Henry DeJong could use the account User:John Henry DeJong. — Dan | Talk 23:11, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

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Barbara Buttrick

Barbara Buttrick (born 3 December 1929 ), nicknamed "Battling Barbara", is a retired British boxer and a world champion in women's boxing in the 1940s and 1950s.

Originally from England, Buttrick is considered a pioneer of women's professional boxing.

Professional career
Buttrick was born in Cottingham, East Riding of Yorkshire, England in 1930. She became a shorthand typist in an office in the West End of London.

Known as "The Mighty Atom of the Ring", Buttrick, at 4′ 11″, fought from 98 lbs. to being the World's unbeaten flyweight (112) and bantamweight (118) champion from 1950 to 1960.

Buttrick started her boxing career in 1948, touring Europe with carnivals as a bantamweight in the boxing booth. She went to the United States in the mid-1950s, joined the carnival circuit, but left because the American carnivals were rougher than the European ones. She then fought professionally in Canada, Chicago, and southern Florida. One of the Canadian matches became the first women's bout to be broadcast on radio.

In 1954 she was part of the first boxing match between two women on American national television.

In 1957, she moved to Dallas. She and opponent Phyllis Kugler won the state's first boxing licenses for women, and a world title bout was held in San Antonio. Buttrick won a unanimous decision, making her the first women's world boxing champion. By then, she had fought more than 1,000 exhibitions with men and 18 professional women's fights, only one of which she lost—outweighed by 33 pounds and stricken with the flu.

Buttrick allegedly fought many exhibition bouts against male opposition.

Buttrick reportedly had one career loss, to Joann Hagen, in 31 pro bouts before retiring in 1960 at 30–1–1.

After an absence of 15 years, she briefly returned to the ring in 1977.

Career after boxing
In the mid-1990s, she founded and became the president of the Women's International Boxing Federation (WIBF) which is a major sanctioning body of women's boxing.

Buttrick's last known residence was Miami Beach, Florida, United States.

Honours and legacy
In 2014, Buttrick was inducted into the International Women's Boxing Hall of Fame in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

In 2016, it was announced that a stage play based on Buttrick's life, Mighty Atoms by Amanda Whittington, would be premiered in Hull as part of the city's UK City of Culture celebrations in 2017.

In 2019, Buttrick became one of the first three women boxers (and the first English woman boxer) elected to the International Boxing Hall of Fame; 2019 was the first year that women were on the ballot.

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Operation Pastorius

Operation Pastorius was a failed German intelligence plan for sabotage inside the United States during World War II. The operation was staged in June 1942 and was to be directed against strategic American economic targets. The operation was named by Admiral Wilhelm Canaris, chief of the German Abwehr, for Francis Daniel Pastorius, the organizer of the first organized settlement of Germans in America. The plan involved eight German saboteurs who had previously spent time in the United States.

The plan quickly failed after two of the agents, George John Dasch and Ernest Peter Burger, defected to the Federal Bureau of Investigation shortly after being deployed, betraying the other six. A military tribunal – whose constitutionality was challenged to the Supreme Court in Ex parte Quirin – sentenced all eight to death later that year. President Franklin D. Roosevelt commuted the sentences of Dasch and Burger, while the other six were executed. In 1948, Dasch and Burger were granted executive clemency, conditional on their permanent deportation to the American occupation zone in Germany by President Harry S. Truman.

Sixteen other people were charged with aiding those in charge of the operation.

Background
After the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor on 7 December 1941, followed by Germany's declaration of war on the United States four days later, and the United States' declaration of war on Germany in response, Hitler authorized a mission to sabotage the American war effort and attack civilian targets to demoralize the American civilian population inside the United States. The mission was given to Abwehr chief Admiral Wilhelm Canaris, the head of German military intelligence. During World War I he had organized the sabotage of French installations in Morocco, and other German agents entered the United States to attack New York arms factories, including the destruction of munitions supplies at Black Tom Island, in 1916. He hoped that Operation Pastorius would have the same kind of success.

Agents
Recruited for Operation Pastorius were eight Germans who had lived in the United States. Two of them, Ernst Burger and Herbert Haupt, were American citizens. The others, George John Dasch, Edward John Kerling, Richard Quirin, Heinrich Harm Heinck, Hermann Otto Neubauer and Werner Thiel, had worked at various jobs in the United States. With the exception of Dasch, all of the men were members of the German American Bund and/or Nazi Party. Neubauer had served in the German Army on the Eastern Front.

All eight were recruited into the Abwehr and were given three weeks of intensive sabotage training in the German High Command school on an estate at Quenzsee, near Berlin, Germany. The agents were instructed in the manufacture and use of explosives, incendiaries, primers, and various forms of mechanical, chemical and electrical delayed-timing devices. Considerable time was spent developing complete background "histories" they were to use in the United States. They were encouraged to converse in English and to read American newspapers and magazines to improve their English and familiarity with current American events and culture.

Mission
Their mission was to sabotage American economic targets: hydroelectric plants at Niagara Falls; the Aluminum Company of America's plants in Illinois, Tennessee, and New York; locks on the Ohio River, near Louisville, Kentucky; Pennsalt Chemicals (then the Pennsylvania Salt Manufacturing Company) in Cornwells Heights (Bensalem), Pennsylvania; the Pennsylvania Railroad's Horseshoe Curve, a crucial railroad pass near Altoona, Pennsylvania, as well as their repair shops at Altoona; the Pennsalt cryolite (a raw material in the production of fluorine and aluminum) plant in Philadelphia; Hell Gate Bridge in New York; and Pennsylvania Station in Newark, New Jersey. The agents were also instructed to spread a wave of terror by planting explosives on bridges, railroad stations, water facilities, public places, and Jewish-owned shops. They were given counterfeit birth certificates, Social Security cards, draft deferment cards, nearly $175,000 in American money, and driver's licenses, and put aboard two U-boats to land on the east coast of the U.S.

Even before the mission began, it was in danger of being compromised, as George Dasch, commander of the team, left confidential documents on a train, and one of the agents, while drunk, announced to patrons in a Paris tavern that he was a secret agent.

On the night of 12/13 June 1942, the first submarine to arrive in the U.S., GS U-202 commanded by Captain Hans-Heinz Lindner, landed at Amagansett, New York, about 100 miles east of New York City on Long Island, at what is now Atlantic Avenue beach. It was carrying Dasch and three other saboteurs (Burger, Quirin, and Heinck). The team was launched in inflatable rafts (in which Dasch nearly drowned) and came ashore wearing German Navy uniforms so that, if they were captured, they would be classified as prisoners of war rather than spies. They also brought their explosives, primers and incendiaries, and buried them along with their uniforms, and put on civilian clothes to begin an expected two-year campaign in the sabotage of American defense-related production.

Immediately upon reaching the beach, at around 30 minutes past midnight the saboteurs were discovered amidst the dunes by unarmed Coast Guardsman John C. Cullen, who was accosted by Dasch and offered a bribe of $300. (Cullen had been shortchanged, the money only amounted to $260.) Cullen feigned cooperation but reported the encounter. An armed patrol returned to the site, finding "four crates of explosives and some German uniforms that had been hastily buried in the wet sand", as well as fuses and pre-made bombs; but the Germans were gone, having taken the Long Island Rail Road from the Amagansett station into Manhattan, where they checked into a hotel. The FBI, informed of the operation by the Coast Guard, initiated a manhunt for the saboteurs.

U-202 itself remained stuck in the sand merely 200 m offshore until daybreak; only when the tide came in was the submarine able to free itself and return to the depths of the ocean. Later that month, U-202 would sink two civilian ships: the Argentine steamer Rio Tercero and the American passenger liner City of Birmingham, before returning to Europe.

The other four-member German team commanded by Kerling landed without incident at Ponte Vedra Beach, Florida, south of Jacksonville on 16 June 1942. They came on GS U-584. This group came ashore wearing bathing suits, but wore German Navy hats. After landing ashore, they threw away their hats, put on civilian clothes, and started their mission by boarding trains to Chicago, Illinois and Cincinnati, Ohio. Additional breaches of secrecy occurred; Kerling had boasted to a colleague about their mission, and in Chicago, Herbert Haupt had asked his father to buy him a sports cover claiming he needed it while traveling on business for the German government.

The two teams were to meet on 4 July in a hotel in Cincinnati to coordinate their sabotage operations.

Betrayal
While in the Manhattan hotel, Dasch — clearly unnerved by the encounter with the Coast Guard — called Burger into their upper-story hotel room and opened a window, saying they would talk, and if they disagreed, "only one of us will walk out that door—the other will fly out this window." Dasch told him he had no intention of going through with the mission, hated Nazism, and planned to report the plot to the FBI. Burger agreed to defect to the United States immediately.

On 15 June, Dasch phoned the New York office of the FBI, gave his name as "Franz Pastorius" (the namesake of the operation), and explained the plot, but ended the call when the agent answering doubted his story and thought he was a crackpot. Four days later, he took a train to Washington, DC and walked into FBI headquarters, where he gained the attention of Assistant Director D.M. Ladd by showing him the operation's budget of $84,000 cash. None of the other six German agents were aware of the betrayal. During the next two weeks, Burger and the other six were arrested. Dasch hoped that he would be hailed as a hero for exposing the plot, but the FBI had other plans; J. Edgar Hoover made no mention of him and claimed credit for the FBI for capturing the saboteurs.

Trial and executions
Since they were caught before they could do anything, officials were initially unsure on how to proceed against the saboteurs. Attorney General Francis Biddle estimated that at best, the German saboteurs could be convicted of conspiracy and face up to three years in prison, while Burger and Haupt could be tried for treason. His alternative proposal was imprisoning them as POWs for the remainder of the war. However, Roosevelt deemed these proposals unacceptable. He said the Americans were guilty of treason and thus liable to courts-martial. As for the Germans, he said they'd forfeited their right to civilian trials since they were "waging battle within our country." Roosevelt then said he wanted all of the saboteurs to be immediately executed. To accomplish this, he told Biddle that he would use his presidential powers to convene a military tribunal to prosecute the saboteurs, something not done on American soil since the end of the American Civil War. He sent another memo to Biddle, reaffirming his expectations. "'I want one thing clearly understood, Francis. I won't hand them over to any United States marshal armed with a writ of habeas corpus. Understand?'"On 2 July 1942, President Roosevelt issued Executive Proclamation 2561, creating a military tribunal to prosecute the Germans. Placed before a seven-member military commission, the Germans were charged with the following offenses:

 * Violating the law of war;
 * Violating Article 81 of the Articles of War, defining the offense of corresponding with or giving intelligence to the enemy;
 * Violating Article 82 of the Articles of War, defining the offense of spying; and
 * Conspiracy to commit the offenses alleged in the first three charges.

The trial was held in Assembly Hall #1 on the fifth floor of the Department of Justice building in Washington, D.C., on 8 July 1942. Lawyers for the accused, who included Lauson Stone and Kenneth Royall, attempted to have the case tried in a civilian court but were rebuffed by the United States Supreme Court in Ex parte Quirin, 317 U.S. 1 (1942), a case that was later cited as a precedent for the trial by military commission of any unlawful combatant against the United States.

The trial for the eight defendants ended on 1 August 1942. Two days later, all were found guilty and sentenced to death. Roosevelt commuted Burger's sentence to life in prison and Dasch's to 30 years because they had surrendered themselves and provided information about the others. The others were executed on 8 August 1942 in the electric chair on the third floor of the District of Columbia jail and buried in a potter's field in the Blue Plains neighborhood in the Anacostia area of Washington.

Aftermath
The failure of Operation Pastorius caused Hitler to rebuke Admiral Canaris and no sabotage attempt was ever made again in the United States. During the remaining years of the war, the Germans only once more dispatched agents to the United States by submarine. In November 1944, as part of Operation Elster, the German submarine U-1230 left two SS-Reichssicherheitshauptamt (Reich Security Main Office) spies on the coast of Maine to gather intelligence concerning American manufacturing and technical progress. After a month of high living in New York City, but no espionage gathering, one of the men turned himself in to the FBI, which captured both agents soon afterward. Both were convicted and sentenced to death, with their executions stayed throughout the duration of the war, after which their punishment was commuted by President Truman into life sentences in prison.

In 1948, President Harry S. Truman granted executive clemency to Dasch and Burger on the condition that they be deported to the American occupation zone in Germany. In Germany they were regarded as traitors who had caused the death of their comrades. Dasch died in 1991 at the age of 89 in Ludwigshafen, Germany. Burger died in 1975.

Sixteen people, including Herbert Haupt's mother and father, were arrested for aiding the saboteurs. The last person to be arrested was Lutheran Pastor Carl Krepper, a member of the German-American Bund and the German-American Business League, which supported boycotting Jewish businesses. Krepper had helped establish safehouses for the saboteurs. In March 1945, he was found guilty of trading with the enemy and conspiracy to commit sabotage and sentenced to 12 years in prison. Krepper was paroled in 1951, and died in 1972.

For his part in the affair, John Cullen was awarded the coxswain insignia, featured on the front page of the New York Times, and received the Legion of Merit medal. His wedding in 1944 made the newspapers and attracted turnout "well beyond the intended guests". Cullen died in 2011, at the age of 90.

Sometime during the 1960s or 1970s, the National Socialist White People's Party placed an unauthorized monument to the executed spies in a thicket in southwest Washington, D.C., on National Park Service land. It went largely unknown and ignored for several decades; the Park Service removed it in 2010.

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User talk:Frank ford

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Inu

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The result of the debate was delete -- Francs2000 | Talk 14:07, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Inu
Dictionary definition. —Tokek 19:03, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Along similar lines, the following articles are much like those that may be found at Wiktionary instead.
 * Getsu (kanji)
 * Nichi (kanji)
 * Hoku (kanji)
 * Kuro (kanji)
 * Man (kanji)
 * Nan (kanji)
 * Nen (kanji)
 * San (kanji)
 * En (kanji)
 * To (kanji)
 * Yo (kanji)

The articles themselves have external links that point to corresponding wiktionary entries. If the above list of articles go, redirects to them should also go: —Tokek 04:16, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Inu (kanji) → Inu
 * Kanji Reference:Getsu → Getsu (kanji)
 * KanjiReference:Getsu → Getsu (kanji)
 * Kanji Reference:Nichi → Nichi (kanji)
 * KanjiReference:Nichi → Nichi (kanji)
 * Kanji Reference:Hoku → Hoku (kanji)
 * Kanji Reference:Kuro → Kuro (kanji)
 * Kanji Reference:Inu → Inu
 * Kanji Reference:Man → Man (kanji)
 * KanjiReference:Man → Man (kanji)
 * Kanji Reference:Nan → Nan (kanji)
 * Kanji Reference:Nen → Nen (kanji)
 * Kanji Reference:San → San (kanji)
 * KanjiReference:San → San (kanji)
 * Kanji Reference:En → En (kanji)
 * Kanji Reference:To → To (kanji)
 * Kanji Reference:Yo → Yo (kanji)

 * Delete all, not encyclopedic.  Grue   17:00, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete all, foreign dicdefs, not encyclopedic. JamesBurns 04:25, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

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File:King's Knight Screenshot1.jpg

Description
This is a scan of the North American packaging of King's Knight, a Square Co., Ltd. shooter for the NES.

Fair use in King's Knight
Though this image is subject to copyright, its use is covered by the U.S. fair use laws because:
 * 1) Square Enix has released no such images into the public domain, and a replacement image could not be created that would adequately provide the same information.
 * 2) The image is being used for no purpose other than to identify the subject of the article.
 * 3) The image resolution has been significantly decreased from the original, so copies made from it would be of inferior quality.
 * 4) The use of this image neither detracts from the game nor inhibits its salability in any way.

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User:ThinkingInBinary

Contact Information
I am named Thinking in Binary or ThinkingInBinary on many sites.

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 * Yahoo: ThinkingInBinary
 * ICQ: 198113263
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alyssa & Lauren Libby

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The result of the debate was delete -- Francs2000 | Talk 14:10, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Alyssa & Lauren Libby
A baby in a soap opera - what could be less notable? Renata3 19:03, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Look at the soap articles, there are plenty other baby in a soap opera articles. Delete this one and all other babies from soap operas. Mike H (Talking is hot) 20:49, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep. Actresses in a major soap opera are notable. Grace Note 05:31, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Comment Did you even read this article? It's a baby who hasn't played on the soap in four years, and has done nothing of note since. Mike H (Talking is hot) 17:53, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Days of Our Lives unless there's a character page for the show; in that case this article should be Merged with that page instead. This is notable as TV history, but there's not enough info for a separate article. Tygertyger 17:40, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete, might as well be an article about an extra. If they do something later, sure. But not now. Timmybiscool

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SS Princess Victoria

Steamship Princess Victoria was a luxury passenger ship built in 1902 and operated by the Canadian Pacific Railway. Subsequently, converted into a bulk oil carrier under the name Tahsis No. 3, the ship struck a rock and sank on 10 March 1953.

Princess Victoria was built in Wallsend, Newcastle upon Tyne, England, by the shipyards of CS Swan & Hunter Company. She was 300 ft long, with a beam of 40.5 feet, 1,943 gross register tons and three smokestacks. Christened on 18 November 1902, she arrived in Victoria, British Columbia on 28 March 1903. While the ship burned coal when it was built, Princess Victoria was converted to oil fuel in 1912. During her time in Victoria, Princess Victoria ran routes between Victoria, Vancouver and Seattle, Washington.

Princess Victoria was involved in a major accident on 26 August 1914, when she rammed and sank SS Admiral Sampson in Puget Sound during heavy fog.

Laid up in 1950, Princess Victoria was sold to Tahsis & Company of Vancouver in November 1951 and converted into a bulk oil carrier named Tahsis No. 3. Shortly after the conversion, the ship struck a rock on 10 March 1953 and sank in Welcome Pass, a narrow passageway north of Vancouver, British Columbia.

After its sinking, it was broken up at the Victoria Capital Iron Works and its engine room, telegraph, and steering were re-purposed for the MV Uchuck III which still runs today.

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John Stockwell (actor)

John Stockwell Samuels IV (born March 25, 1961) is an American actor and filmmaker. For his work on the television film Cheaters (2000), Stockwell was nominated for the Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Writing for a Limited Series, Movie, or Dramatic Special.

Early life
Stockwell was born in Galveston, Texas, the son of Ellen Richards and John S. Samuels III, an attorney. Stockwell's sister is historian Evelyn Welch, and his niece is singer and songwriter Florence Welch.

While he was in college at Harvard University near Boston, he commuted to New York City to appear on episodes of the soap opera Guiding Light.

Career
Early in his career, Stockwell was an international model. During this time, he became a friend of pop artist Andy Warhol. Stockwell's first feature film as an actor came in a small role in 1981's So Fine. His best known roles came in the 1983 comedy film Losin' It as Spider; later that year, in the John Carpenter horror film Christine as Dennis Guilder; and the 1985 comedy film My Science Project as Michael Harlan. Also in 1985, he appeared in the poorly received City Limits; though unsuccessful at the box office, it was later riffed in an episode of Mystery Science Theater 3000.

He performed in the highly acclaimed 1985 TV mini-series North and South. In 1986, he appeared in Top Gun as Cougar. He made guest appearances on TV shows including The Young Riders and Friday the 13th: The Series.

Stockwell has directed several films, including Cheaters (2000), Crazy/Beautiful (2001), Blue Crush (2002), Into the Blue (2005), Turistas (2006), Heart (2009), the Gina Carano star-vehicle In the Blood, and the 2016 Kickboxer reboot Kickboxer: Vengeance.

Stockwell also wrote the screenplay for the 2001 film Rock Star.

Personal life
Stockwell briefly dated actress Bianca Jagger and model Barbara Allen.

Stockwell is married to Helene Henderson, a chef and caterer. They have three children. His mother, Zsuzsana Nagy is Hungarian and his father from Irish ancestry.

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 * Maybe a good idea as the character was both the Scarlet Spider and Spider-Man and is probably better known as Reilly. Doesnt really matter though as Ben Reilly is a redirect here anyway.Hueysheridan 13:17, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
 * The article was AT Ben Reilly, and it was moved (and the redirect edited to stop easy moving back) last week. I'm trying to get it moved back.
 * BTW, is that an "Abstain"? - SoM 18:36, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
 * No, like I said, I agree with you, Ben Reilly would be more appropriate. (unsigned comment (diff by Hueysheridan)

This article has been renamed after the result of a move request. violet/riga (t) 17:13, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Reilly starring in Web and Spider-Man?
Didnt the Scarlet Spider basically take over the Spider-Man and Web of Spider-Man titles for a few months immediately after he debuted? I seem to remember that he did.

If anyone knows for sure maybe they could amend the "Scarlet Spider Titles" section? Hueysheridan
 * He did, for Web of Life, a vs. Venom story (and maybe one other). I forget the issue nos. though. - SoM 18:36, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Separating "Scarlet Spider" and "Ben Reilly"
It seems to me that there should be two separate articles, since there have been three separate Scarlet Spiders. This would also make this comics-related article more consistent with Robin/Dick Grayson or Batgirl/Barbara Gordon. I recognize that this page used to be "Scarlet Spider" and that there's already been an issue with moving it, but splitting it seems to be a different issue--even Nightwing has a page separate from Dick Grayson, despite the fact that he is by far the most significant "Nightwing." Any thoughts? Eric Qel-Droma 13:38, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Ben Reilly in Civil War
It was announced on one of the writers' blogs that Ben Reilly would be making a return, which sparked up a lot of conversation on forums, only for it to be just Peter taking up his clone brother's name as a disguise as well as the aid of a image device given to him by Beast in Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man #14. Should this be mentioned as trivia or should it really be on the Spider-Man page? 81.86.143.121 16:46, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It should be added, but not yet because the issue just came out. We should wait a couple weeks so no one is spoiled and then I think it should get a mention that Pete is masquarading as Reilly.

Ben Reilly as the Non-Clone?
Who rewrote the Ben Reilly section on the Scarlet Spider page (the talk section links to here) to claim that Reilly was the original, and Parker is the clone? The changed section claims that most people are mistaken in believing Reilly to be the clone. But Reilly's body disintegrated after his death, proving once and for all that he was the clone and Parker was the original. Junior612 23:21, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Yes Ben is the clone but for a long time even the comic creators of spider-Man admitted that Ben Reilly was real and Peter was the clone. It turns out that the comic creators lied. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.118.75.149 (talk) 21:51, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Or they changed their minds. The Clone Saga was reworked during it's run due to negative fan reaction. oknazevad (talk) 16:57, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Referencing
Should the ref templates be used in this article instaed of the tag (given the structure of the referencing for this article)? --JB Adder | Talk 01:34, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Four Scarlet Spiders
Technically speaking, there was four Scarlet Spiders. During a time when Peter Parker was arrested for outstanding murders in Utah, Ben Reilly offered to swap identities with him so Peter could go do what he had to do. So, for a short while, Peter was wearing the Scarlet Spider identity while Ben was in jail. Should that be included in? Sera404 13:48, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Spider-Carnage

 * merge - Spider-Carnage has no significant appearances outside of Reilly. The character only appeared in 4 SEPARATE COMIC ISSUES! (with the exception of a What if).  The character is not a new character, nor is it a significant, IT WAS A PRE-EXISTING CHARACTER, BEN REILLY, BEING POSSESSED.  66.109.248.114 03:27, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Merge - I agree with the reasons for the merge proposal only with less yelling involved. -- 69.183.15.244 05:54, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Heavy Merge - Robin is a secret identity used by many characters. Plus Spider-Carnage is not a leading character. So merge away--Gonzalo84 06:47, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Heavy Don't Merge - Spider-Carnage will make Ben Reilly's page to long. Plus he should also be placed on the Carnage page as well —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.100.43.41 (talk) 12:20, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

'''Discussion closed. Result was: MERGE''' -- 69.182.73.240 07:48, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

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There is a photo that wont display, its the one of the Scarlet Spider's New Costume. I tried to fix it, but I was unsuccessful. (talk) 8:04, 22 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.19.151.212 (talk)

Scarlet Spider scheduled to return after House of M?
I reckon reading on a Marvel column, possibly a Joe Friday's at Newsarama, that they had plans to bring the Scarlet Spider with the House of M storyline, but that they ultimately backed away from that idea. I can't seem to find that specific link any more, but some early solicits for Friendly Neighborhood Spider Man, when still scheduled to be written by Mark Waid, said that something would spin directly out of HoM and stick in the Spiderverse, FNSM in that case.

Anyone has such an article saved? I tried Archive.org on possible matches, didn't turn up anything. Thanks for any help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.41.160.85 (talk) 03:51, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

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Missing some comics starring Ben as Spider-Man
The Backlash/Spider-Man mini is missing from the Ben as Spidey list. This series stars Ben wearing the redesigned costume.

source: http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Comics:Backlash_Spider-Man_Vol_1_1

Will Nolte (talk) 08:15, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

 * I already added in the publication history section. However, due to I didn't have a chance to read it, I cannot add it on the biographical section as DC verses Marvel, as I don't know it can be canon to Reilly's history as DC's crossover.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 00:39, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Question about Ben Reilly in other media (Sort of)
Would the Spider-Man Clone in The Amazing Spider-Man TV Series qualify for a mention given how Ben Reilly's first appearance was merely as a clone of Spider-Man (with his name coming later)? Antiyonder (talk) 07:28, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

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the case of the floating pronoun

 * He starts a relationship with Jessica Carradine, a student at Centennial University with a personal vendetta against Spider-Man, convinced the hero is a murderer. Ben later discovers her late father was the burglar who killed Ben Parker, who went into foster care after the man's arrest.

Er, who went into foster care – Ben or his killer?! Remake the sentence to include Jessica more clearly, assuming she is meant (I don't know the story). —Tamfang (talk) 21:29, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

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