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The result of the debate was keep. Eugene van der Pijll 15:36, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Warning Sign
Was marked for a speedy but for non notability, so not a candidate. I abstain from voting. CanadianCaesar 07:53, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Changing my vote to a Keep. Lots of Google hits, and Wikipedia is not paper CanadianCaesar 07:59, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak keep, but needs to be cleaned up and neutralized. --KFP 08:08, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect. to A Rush Of Blood To The Head. Most of those Google hits are simply redundant song lyrics or its place in the album's track listing.  It's a non-single track, so you can't expand to add cover artwork, release date, charting position, music video details, etc. --Madchester 16:30, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect and lyrics are copyrighted are they not? Sasquatch′↔Talk↔Contributions 17:52, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * This is also a Talking Heads song... redirect is a bit arbitrary. You can probably just delete.  Dcarrano 18:43, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete non notable album track. JamesBurns 08:26, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

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Untitled
proposing compromise solution for naming. Antares911 13:39, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

This could better be at Chulabhorn. Arrigo 07:54, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Please see Talk:Srirasmi of Thailand re: the naming. violet/riga (t) 14:32, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Name of Princess should be Chlabhornwalailak. --Pudtipong Nawasornyuttana 06:16, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Should it be Chulabhorn Walailak or Chulabhorn Valailak? CW32 14:16, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Please consult Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Thailand-related articles)

Einstein Medal ?
I could not find any credible source about the list of UNESCO's Einstein Medal recipients. Apparently it is not this Albert Einstein Medal as the previous edit stated.--B.F.Pinkerton 17:50, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I checked the UNESCO webpage a bit further, and there is a document referenced as 154 EX/INF.5 dated PARIS, 23 March 1998, which lists all prizes and winners under UNESCO, and there is neither an Einstein Medal nor a mention of HRH Princess Chulabhorn. However there is a press piece of the UNESCO Director General presenting an Einstein Medal in 2006. But that does not match with the Einstein's Society's medal either. Very mysterious. Ernie 10:12, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

This is a medal created expressly for Chulabhorn. Apparently the royal family had inserted her name to be considered for the Nobel, only to be denied. See Paul Handley 2006. Huanohk (talk) 03:39, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Health
Often confine to wheelchair and at times in discomfort/pain during speeches -- what is her actual medical status? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.164.236.210 (talk) 10:29, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

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– The princess's names are just "Chulabhorn" and "Ubol Ratana". They are officially styled in English as "HRH Princess Chulabhorn" and "Princess Ubol Ratana". The rest are parts of their ceremonial names ("Chulabhorn Walailak Akra Rajakumari" and "Ubolratana Rajakanya Sirivadhana Barnavadi"), which are not officially used in English. (Note: Walailak should actually be spelled "Valayalaksana", as Sanskrit-based transliteration is preferred for royal names, but even the government isn't consistent here.) Paul_012 (talk) 11:30, 2 November 2016 (UTC) --Relisting. GeoffreyT2000  ( talk,  contribs ) 17:11, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
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Ministry of Defence (New Zealand)

The Ministry of Defence (Manatū Kaupapa Waonga) is the public service department of New Zealand responsible for advising the government on strategic defence policy, acquiring military equipment to meet defence capability and conducting audits and assessments of the New Zealand Defence Force.

History
The Defence Act, passed on 17 November 1964, established a new Ministry of Defence. Under the Act the three Service departments were combined into the new Ministry. The central core of the new Ministry of Defence was the central Defence Office.

A Defence Council was established which consisted of:
 * Minister of Defence
 * Chief of Defence Staff
 * Secretary of Defence
 * Chiefs of Staff from the three Services
 * Co-opted members if required (especially the Secretaries of External Affairs and Treasury)

The Defence Council was responsible for:
 * Administering and commanding the Services
 * Advising the Minister on defence policy
 * Integrating common functions where desirable and practical

The boards for each service continued to exist, but they acted under delegated power from the Defence Council. The Chiefs of Staff Committee was retained, but as a committee of the Defence Council. (The Defence Council was later abolished under the Defence Act 1990).

In 1969-71 moves were implemented to provide a fully centralised administration in control of all non-operational functions previously within the responsibility of the three services. These changes were embodied in a further Defence Act that came into effect on 1 April 1972. The Service Boards were abolished and their functions divided between the Chiefs of Staff and a central Defence Headquarters that replaced the Defence Office. The disadvantage of the continued existence of the Service Boards had been one that the one Service could still express its views to the Minister independently of the other Services. Policy formation and planning, logistics and supply, personnel, administration, finance, civil management, and management services were transferred to the central Defence Headquarters. Each Chief of Staff and their separate Headquarters were now only concerned with operational matters.

In 1989 Defence was separated into two separate bodies – the Ministry of Defence headed by the Secretary of Defence, the senior civilian officer and the New Zealand Defence Force headed by the Chief of Defence Force (CDF), the senior military officer. Both are equally answerable to the Minister of Defence for their individual elements.

Under the CDF are the three service chiefs who, as the senior officers of their individual services, act as advisors to CDF and provide forces as required.

Responsibilities

In 1999 James Rolfe described in The Armed Forces of New Zealand the then structure of the Ministry of Defence. It numbered only about 70 people in total, with three divisions involved in policy: Policy Division, Acquisition Division, and Evaluation Division. Also part of the structure were Corporate Services Division and Corporate Finance Division. The Ministry is responsible for the following functions:

 * Providing advice to the New Zealand Government on the Defence of New Zealand and its national interests,
 * Acquisition of Military Equipment,
 * Assessment and audit of the New Zealand Defence Force functions, duties and projects.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Quadro

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The result of the debate was delete. Woohookitty 14:29, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Quadro
Appears to be a vanity page about a fake programming language.

I can find no other references about the existence of this language, nor of the language creators mentioned.

The original article submitter included no source for the content, and that person's other contributions on the same day included vandalism: (look at the Bruce Lee and Medicine changes, in particular.)

Also, the programming code samples provided are meaningless. The Java sample is just a braindead hello world program, and the C++ one is comparably braindead (in addition to probably not compiling).

No other articles appear to link to Quadro. Bovineone 07:53, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. I like to do scholarly journal searches for these.  The ACM Transactions on Programming Languages and Systems contains 0 results for either "quadro" or "darren davies".  Science of Computer Programming contains 0 results for "quadro" or "darren davies".  Programming and Computer Software contains... 0 for quadro, 0 for "darren davies", and 0 for "any reason whatsoever to keep this article."  If it's not a hoax, it's vanity about somebody's grad school project in computer science.  And not even good vanity, seeing as how it doesn't say what university they did it at.  The Literate Engineer 05:36, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, good research by you two. Dcarrano 06:09, July 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm always amazed at the lengths that VfD notability is researched. Anyways, with respect to the article, delete. --Titoxd 01:10, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
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SAFPU

SAFPU may refer to:

 * Singapore Armed Forces Provost Unit, former name of the Singapore Armed Forces Military Police Command
 * South African Football Players Union

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Talk:Washington Square North

July 2005 comment
A separate article from "Washington Square Park", Wikipedia's gaffe substitution for Washington Square. Out-of-towners apparently... --Wetman 07:59, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

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Ndu

Ndu may refer to:
 * Ndu, Cameroon, a town and commune in Cameroon
 * Ndu, Democratic Republic of the Congo, a settlement in northern Congo
 * Ndu languages, a language family of Papua New Guinea
 * Ndo language, a language of Uganda and Congo

NDU may refer to:
 * National Defense University, Republic of China (Taiwan)
 * National Defence University, Islamabad, Pakistan
 * National Defense University, United States
 * National Distribution Union, a trade union in New Zealand
 * Nationaldemokratisk Ungdom (National Democratic Youth), Swedish youth organisation
 * Naval Diving Unit (Singapore), part of Singapore Navy
 * Ndejje University, Uganda
 * New Design University, Austria
 * Niger Delta University, Nigeria
 * The Nippon Dental University, Japan
 * Notre Dame (disambiguation)

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Toussaint von Charpentier

Toussaint von Charpentier (22 November 1779 – 4 March 1847) was a German geologist and entomologist.

He was the author of Libellulinae europaeae descriptae e depictae (1840).

Biography
Toussaint von Charpentier was born in Freiberg, Saxony ( 22 November 1779 and died in Brieg 4 March 1847. Charpentier was the son of the Saxony geologist and "Berghauptmann" (head of the mining inspectorate), Johann Friedrich William von Charpentier and the brother of Johann von Charpentier. He studied geology and mining engineering at the Bergakademie Freiberg and continued his studies at the University of Leipzig.

In the year 1802 Charpentier went to Prussia, where he accepted a place with the Silesia Oberbergamt (upper mining authority) in Breslau. Charpentier took over the management of Schweidnitz local mining authority in Schweidnitz until returning, in 1811, to the upper mining authority in Breslau.

In 1828 his transfer to Dortmund as "Vizeberghauptmann" took place. 1830 he was appointed to a post in "Oberbergamtes" Dortmund. In the year 1836 he transferred to the Silesian mining authority in the same capacity. After 1819 he was transferred to Brieg and remained there up to his death in the same office.

Charpentier published numerous writings on mountain structure and geology, in addition, to writing on his hobby, entomology. He published between 1829 and 1830 a new edition of the publications Die europäischen Schmetterlinge and Die ausländischen Schmetterlinge with Eugenius Johann Christoph Esper.

Works

 * Kurze Beschreibung sämtlicher beim Amalgamierwerk Halsbrücke bei Freiberg vorkommenden Arbeiten, 1802
 * Übersetzung von Rinmans Allgemeindem Bergwerkslexikon, 1808
 * Darstellung der Höhe verschiedener Berge, Flüsse und Orte Schlesiens, 1812
 * Über Gletscher, 1819
 * Bemerkungen auf einer Reise von Breslau über Salzburg, Tirol und der südlichen Schweiz nach Rom, Neapel und Paestum Bd. 1-2, 1820
 * Horae Entomologicae, 1825
 * Libellulinae Europaeae, 1840
 * Orthopterae, Heft 1-10, 1841–1843
 * Libellulinae Europaeae, 1840
 * Orthopterae, Heft 1-10, 1841–1843

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Ministry of Health (New Zealand)

The Ministry of Health (Māori: Manatū Hauora) is the public service department of New Zealand responsible for healthcare in New Zealand. It came into existence in its current form in 1993.

Origins
The Ministry of Health's origins can be traced back to the Department of Public Health, which was first established in 1901 at the advice of the Central Board of Health. The Department of Public Health assumed responsibility for the provision of Māori health services between 1906 and 1909, when Māori medical health services were returned to the-then Department of Native Affairs. In 1910, the Public Health Department resumed responsibility for the control of Māori health. In 1911, a Māori Nursing Service was established as part of the Department of Public Health.

Growing strains
Its structure remained relatively static even when the Social Security Act 1938 was passed where the New Zealand government took a larger role in health purchasing. The department remained actively involved in policy (as opposed to purchasing).

By the 1970s problems had appeared in the health system. The high growth rate in hospital expenditure was occurring at a time when the economy was slowing down. Thus, the government was unable to sustain funding this growth. This led the health system to undergo a series of changes over a 20-year period from the 1980s.

Fourth National Government, 1990–1999
During the 1990s the Fourth National Government attempted to stream-line the system in a series of reforms such as separating the government purchasing and provision of health care services. Four regional health authorities (RHAs) were created to oversee the purchasing of health services while general practitioners, specialists, and hospitals were tasked with delivering health services. Public services were also turned into quasi-commercial Crown health enterprises (CHEs). In 1993, the Department was renamed as the Ministry of Health.

Fifth Labour Government, 1999–2008
The Labour–Alliance coalition government redefined the role of the Ministry of Health as part of Labour's election promises in the 1999 election.

In December 1999, the separate government health service purchasing entity, the Health Funding Authority, was merged with the Ministry of Health. Critics were anxious as to how the Ministry would perform as a funder, as they commented that the Ministry had in the past only performed as a policy organisation. However, supporters of this move stated that they believed this would make these agencies more accountable.

In February 2001, the Fifth Labour Government also launched the "New Zealand Primary Health Care Strategy" (PHCS) with the goal of improving public access to primary health care and reducing health inequalities. By 2008, the Primary Health Care Strategy had succeeded in reducing fees for doctors' and nurses' visits in "higher need areas" and for patients aged over 65 years. In addition, consultation rates increased across all age, socio-economic, and ethnic groups in New Zealand.

As part of the PHCS programme, the government encouraged the development of Primary Health Organisations (PHOs) to provide some primary health care services at the local level and to transition health care services from fee-for-service arrangements to capitation funding for health professionals who are members of these organisations. By early April 2003, 34 PHOs had been established throughout New Zealand.

In addition, the Fifth Labour Government established District health board (DHBs) in 2001 as subsidiary organisations of the Health Ministry. They were responsible for providing and funding health services within a defined geographical area. At the time of their dissolution in July 2022, there were twenty DHBs. They were also responsible for running hospitals and funding some health provisions in their respective areas. Funding for these DHBs was allocated according to the Ministry's population-based funding formula.

Sixth Labour Government, 2017–2023
In 2018, the government launched the He Ara Oranga inquiry into mental health and addiction. In 2021, this resulted in the creation of Te Hiringa Mahara, an independent Crown entity that promotes mental health and wellbeing.

On 10 September 2019, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Health Minister David Clark announced the establishment of a Suicide Prevention Office within the Health Ministry to address the country's suicide rate. Key changes include shifting from a mental health service model to a community-based one and supporting people bereaved by suicide. There were also plans to later establish the Suicide Prevention Office as a separate standalone government service.

The Ministry of Health was the agency responsible for the New Zealand government response to the COVID-19 pandemic.

In April 2021, the Sixth Labour Government announced that DHB system would be abolished and replaced by three new entities: a centralised agency called Health New Zealand, a Māori Health Authority (MHA) to fund Māori health services, and a Public Health Agency to centralise public health work.

In October 2021, the government introduced a parliamentary bill called the Pae Ora (Healthy Futures) Bill, which created the new public health entities and strengthened the Health Ministry's stewardship role. This bill passed into law on 7 June 2022. On 1 July, the Pae Ora (Health Futures) Act came into effect; with Health New Zealand, the MHA, and the Health Ministry's Public Health Agency assuming the district health boards' former provision of healthcare services.

Sixth National Government, 2023–present
In March 2024, the Health Ministry proposed slashing 180 jobs following a cost-saving directive from the National-led coalition government. In early April 2024, the Public Service Association expressed concerns that proposed job cuts at the Health Ministry would lead to the closure of the Suicide Prevention Office and other specialist roles. The PSA's statement was disputed by the Minister for Mental Health Matt Doocey, who said he had not been briefed about the closure of the Suicide Prevention Office. Doocey said he had spoken with the Director-General of Health to ensure the Office would remain open. Doocey reiterated that mental health and suicide prefention remained a priority for the New Zealand Government.

Structure
The directorates and business units of the Ministry include:
 * Evidence Research and Innovation directorate
 * Strategy Policy and Legislation directorate
 * Māori Health directorate
 * Public Health Agency
 * Regulatory Services directorate
 * System Performance & Monitoring directorate
 * Government & Executive Services directorate
 * Corporate Services directorate
 * Chief Clinical Officers
 * Chief Nurse
 * Chief Medical Officer
 * Chief Allied Health Professions Officer

Others
Medsafe carries out medical regulatory functions within the Ministry.

The former National Health Board (NHB), which was set up in November 2009, dealt with issues such as rising costs, increased demand, an ageing population and shortages of staff with a view to improving the quality, safety and sustainability of health care.

Health New Zealand exists as a separate Crown agent while the Māori Health Authority exists as an independent statutory entity.

Ministers
The Ministry serves 1 portfolio and 4 ministers.

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Talk:Indian painting

Good
I believe the "Lady with a Lamp" painting is by Raja Ravi Verma and is housed in a museum in Mysore, India. If there is another "Lady with lamp" painting by Mazumdar the article should clarify this —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.165.27.182 (talk) 22:59, August 27, 2007 (UTC) The woman with a lamp is by Late Sri.A.L.Haldankar and not by Raja Ravi Varma or Mazumdhar vide http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glow_of_Hope

The contents have grown nicely. It require as

little bit of re-arrangements. --Bhadani 23:14, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

 * The Rajput and Mughal painting needs to be under miniature paintings section. Or just all together remove the miniature painting section. Also, isnt what you call Rajput called Rajasthani in academic references to art? --Kaveri 18:03, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Moved from main page
I removed this from the main page, as it needs significant reworking (for grammar, sources, removal of [[WP:PEACOCK|peacock terms):

Since the 1980s Indian artists started showing more vitality and variety in their work. Many of the new generation of artists have come from various fields in to art world and thus they bring with them newer concepts and styles. Devajyoti Ray had introduced in the early 1990s a new ism of art called Pseudo-realism. Again Jitish Kallat mixed graphic art with prints to develop a mode of expression which was hitherto not been used. vagaram choudhary work in new experimenting medium with 3D visuals. The other famous artists like Prakash Karmokar, Jahar Dasgupta, Bihon Choudhuri, Jogen choudhuri, vagaram choudhary and many others are enriching the modern art for India and their journey is still going on.

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Moved comment by another user from main page: "Dear wikipedia reader If you are a NATIVE ENGLISH SPEAKING person, and if you have some spare time, please take a look on this article, machine translated from French (fr:Peinture en Inde). Don’t hesitate to log on as user, and make the needed language corrections. Best regards User:Andershus.". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Travelbird (talk • contribs) 10:48, February 23, 2018 (UTC)

 * Thanks, Travelbird, for removing by Andershus from the article, and adding it to the proper location, here on the talk page.
 * Andershus, after Travelbird moved it, you reverted, inappropriately adding the material back again, until it was once more removed by another editor. Do you understand why it does not belong on the article page?  If you have questions, feel free to ask; preferably on your or my Talk page. Cordially, Mathglot (talk) 23:53, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Translated from French?
There is a translated page box at the top of this page indicating that the article was translated from French (but without any version parameters, hence vague about the timing), as well as an expert needed box at the top of the article page claiming the article was machine-translated from French. However, at least for the history of the French article, the reverse appears to be the case, as it appears to have been created as a translation from English.

The en-wiki article was created July 5, 2005. By October 13, 2007 it had grown to 14,925 bytes and contained thirteen sections including eight regional H2 headings from 'Madhubani painting' to 'Samikshavad'. The French article Peinture en Inde was created from scratch at 14,428 bytes on October 20 2007 with twelve sections and eight regional H2 headings, from 'Peinture de Madhubani' to 'Samikshavad', and is manifestly a translation of the en-wiki article of that date. (The required translation attribution was found neither in the French article's edit history of the time, nor in the Talk page, so I added required attributions there.)

Since then, the articles diverged. It may be there were translations in the other direction, from the French to the English article, but these should be substantiated by proper attribution using the translated page template at the top of this talk page, with all parameters filled in, notably  and   along with an edit summary explaining in detail what portion(s) of the French article are alleged to have been translated and added to the English one. Mathglot (talk) 23:31, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

 * Okay, I see now why you added the French-to-English translation box now; it's because of the hundreds of MT edits added in the last month. I will address that in a separate section. Mathglot (talk) 00:57, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Proposal to roll back one month to remove MT
Requesting feedback from major contributors on a proposal to roll back the Indian painting article one month in order to remove a series of raw machine translations dumped into the article.

Starting on February 9, 2018 one user has made hundreds of edits to Indian painting, copying raw, unedited machine translated text from the French article fr:Peinture en Inde into the English article. This user has left "Dear Reader" messages asking people to fix up the edits after him; both on the article page itself (!; since moved to the talk page, above), and also at the Help desk.

In my view, these raw translations from the French are not helpful to the article, leave unverified text in place, and are disruptive of other editors' time. The community view about machine translations in general can be found here. In my opinion, the article should be rolled back to version 824774041 of 11:55, February 9, 2018 just before the series of MT edits (562, by my browser's tally) began. There are only a handful of edits by other users since then, and if the rollback proposal is accepted, I volunteer to reinstate any independent edits myself, after the rollback.

I don't doubt the user's good faith in making these edits, and any comments about user behavior should be confined to the user's talk page. This Talk page section is strictly about discussing how to improve the article, and in particular whether it should be rolled back to February 9; and if not, what, if anything, we should do with the auto-translated material added since then. Thanks in advance for your feedback, Mathglot (talk) 01:55, 11 March 2018 (UTC) Ping top 10 by text: Note: a link to this discussion has been added to Wikipedia talk:Translation. Mathglot (talk) 02:03, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Ping top 10 by edits:
 * Note: a link to this discussion has been added to Wikipedia talk:Pages needing translation into English.

 * Agree, somewhat reluctantly, as the old version is pretty poor. Andershus has tried to get the English improved, leaving messages in many places a month ago, but little seems to have happened - I think it would be tricky to do without a) knowing French and b) knowing something about the subject. But nothing much has been done. So back we should go (Tyrenius has left, btw). Johnbod (talk) 08:58, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I hear you; it's too bad, and I'd work on it myself, but am spread too thin already on various other projects; perhaps one day. Otoh, I could maybe help in rounding up other folks with knowledge of French (and English) to assist. But there's no hurry, so let's give it some time and see what others think. Mathglot (talk) 10:56, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Well I have both a and b sufficiently, but what the article really needs is a new expansion from sources, which I may do one day, but it won't be soon. The French version isn't so great, or so well-referenced, that even a good translation is optimal. Johnbod (talk) 15:25, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

 * agree, translating articles is something that should be done with great care. dumping large amounts of machine translated text into an article does not help, since frequently the machine translation does not translate the parts that need translating (prose), translates the parts that don't need translating (citations or direct quotes), or incorrectly translates parts that need translating.  Frietjes (talk) 13:28, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Agree. Better to have smaller article, than one with machine translated text. May be someone with knowledge of both the languages, plus with time and inclination can take it up later. My response is late however. --Ekabhishektalk 15:35, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

✅ Rollback has been carried out. If you are on the ping-list:   then some of your edits may have been inadvertently removed by this rollback. I will re-apply edits you made subsequent to version 827234097 of 15:08, February 23, 2018, unless: After waiting a decent interval for responses, I'll start to reapply changes (or not) as you wish. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 11:44, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
 * you'd rather I didn't; or:
 * you'd rather do it yourself (whether the same as before, or differently).

Same old problem? 40KB added over a day or two.
User:Andershus again. Johnbod (talk) 16:02, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 * , time to roll back again? Frietjes (talk) 13:15, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
 * , I’m mobile for a while, but will try to have a look as I can.
 * , J’espère que vous êtes au courant du fait que si vous êtes en train d’ajouter le même genre de traduction que vous avez fait la dernière fois, vous risquez de perdre tout le travail que vous avez fait déjà, ainsi que toutes les éditions que vous aller faire encore dans cet article. Veuillez arrêter de faire des changements dans cet article, s.v.p., et plutôt discutez ici sur la P.d.D. avec les autres utilisateurs, avant de changer l’article encore. Merci, Mathglot (talk) 19:55, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I am looking at your recent edits, and if it’s anything like last time, I will recommend that your last 600 edits to the article, including over 100kb of added content be removed. Please talk about your intentions here first, and please do not make any further edits to the article without discussing with other editors first. I will also add some additional notes at your user talk page. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 19:55, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Frietjes, Johnbod: Andershus was warned about this here, in May, and now again at this Talk page and also at his user talk page again, about the likely outcome of further disruption of this nature. Let’s give him a week to respond, and if there’s nothing, we can just do the rollback; no need to disrupt other editors further by getting them involved (although everyone is welcome to comment, of course). If he keeps it up after the messages on his TP, I will probably seek a TBAN or a BLOCK at ANI. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 20:36, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
 * If he actually said where he was taking it from, some of it might be savable, after a bit of copyedit. User:Diannaa has been doing her usual valiant best, but much remains unclear. Johnbod (talk) 21:06, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
 * , I respectfully disagree. It’s *not* about whether we know where it came from, and it’s *not* about whether any of it is salvageable. It’s about disruption and consensus, and whether a single editor, who has already tied up several serious, good-faith editors on a previous occasion trying to get him to respond, and trying to figure out how to deal with his actions, has the right to do exactly the same kind of disruption again, oblivious to multiple requests here and on his User talk page to communicate with other editors.
 * The reason that it is not worth trying to copy edit his additions is because they are pure WP:MT. He is apparently adding these manually, but I’m a coder, and I could add MT additions to French wikipedia such that in a few weeks, French wikipedia would also have 5.8 million articles, just like English wikipedia. Of course, about 3 million would all be MT and need lots of copy editing. If it took five French editors to discuss whether to roll back my changes per article, that would tie up 15 million French editors for the foreseeable future. Just because he’s only using MT on only one article, and manually adding the MT content in hundreds of sequential edits, doesn’t make it okay, in my opinion. It’s disruptive that we’re even here having this conversation, instead of adding good content to articles somewhere.
 * Since your message User:Andershus has added a few hundred more edits to the article. I am now in favor of a rollback, and of a TBAN from this page, and an administrator warning to communicate with other editors, and perhaps a short block to get his attention and get him to Talk to us. Consensus is, after all, absolutely core to the way Wikipedia works. Mathglot (talk) 00:54, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Some of Diannaa's edits like this show that he is copying (without of course saying so) some of it from other en:wp articles as well. Then there's this edit summary - not sure what to make of that. But I don't really disagree. Johnbod (talk) 01:44, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Recent disruption by Andershus and another Rollback
has continued his one-man band addition of original research and automatic translation to this article, against consensus and ignoring all attempts to contact him here, and on his talk page, and at User talk:89.94.87.52.

Absent any objection, I am planning rollback to revision 907143849 of 20 July 2019 by Mandarax. This will remove approximately 122kb of content and 678 revisions by User:Andershus and.

As we already have a consensus about Anderhus’s disruption on this article subsequent to the previous occurrence, as well as having left advice on his Talk page after the last rollback informing him what was likely to happen if he resumed the same behavior again, I don’t think a new consensus is required. That would be more disruption, if he can tie up multiple editors with a discussion every time he decides to take another run at it.

So this is more a courtesy notice to let any editors who wish to do so, to respond before the next rollback. If there is no objection from other editor, I’ll carry out the rollback after a few days, giving Andershus one last chance to justify his edits and interact with other editors here. Mathglot (talk) 21:33, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I have notified of this discussion on his Talk page, in case he has notifications turned off in his preferences. Mathglot (talk) 14:06, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
 * continues to blithely go on as before. Shall we start the countdown to rollback, say, in five days? Any objections? Mathglot (talk) 23:16, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
 * T minus two, and counting..., any comment? Mathglot (talk) 16:17, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

The following anons have no recent edits on articles other than Indian painting; most have [re-]appeared in the last couple of days: These and any other IPs that appear on this article with a similar pattern of SPA edits should be monitored as well. Mathglot (talk) 16:56, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
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Rollback to 20 July
In view of this section above, and absent any response from Andershus here or on his User talk page, now about to carry out a rollback to revision 907143849 of 20 July 2019. This will remove 126,283 bytes of content, and over 800 revisions by Andershus, and a hundred or so by five IPs editing in the same pattern.

There are almost no other edits by other editors during this interval; those few that exist are about fixing up minor issues in the content added by Andershus, so these are moot after the rollback. I don't believe that there was even one edit in this interval that was applicable to the pre-July 20 version, but if there was, it will be inadvertently removed by this rollback. If such an edit exists and was yours, I will take responsibility for restoring your edit if you ping me below and point me to it. You can, of course, restore your own edit yourself, if you'd rather. Mathglot (talk) 17:37, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅. Rollback completed. Mathglot (talk) 17:52, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Going forward
After two occurrences of the same type of disruption by the same editor, followed by rollbacks in each case, my feeling going forward is that any future editing in the same pattern by at this article followed by silence when attempting to contact him about his edit(s), can be considered disruptive editing. I'm of the opinion that any editor should feel free to revert or roll back any future edits of his (or by his IP posse), if your good-faith edits to contact him here are fruitless. There's no need to have another long discussion and waiting period like this one again; we've offered him all the good faith in the world, and gotten nothing for it.

If such reverts start to take up too much editor time, I'll look into going to WP:ANI, and requesting a WP:TBAN or WP:BLOCK. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 18:22, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was keep. - Sikon 10:53, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

John Stockwell
Delete Well known once in a very small arena long time ago. Now he's just a retired computer support manager who wishes to paddle the rivers of Texas in peace. He'd have me remove all internet references to him if I could but you know my chances on that. I'd simply like to place the del tag in the article and let the Wikiadmins take a look at it. Stockwell - (the reqestor) 07:52, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - He was an influential and well-known person who has over 8000 Google hits for "John Stockwell + CIA" (All seem to reference him), and was the highest-ranking member of the CIA to publicly resign his post. We wouldn't remove George W. Bush from an encyclopaedia if he asked, imho we shouldn't remove others. - Sherurcij 08:05, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, sufficiently notable. We shouldn't invade his privacy by publishing his current address (and we're not), but anything else that's readily available on the internet or in public libraries already, and which is true, is fair to put in the article.-gadfium 09:27, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep as per Gadfium. -- Marcika 12:16, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Bollocks to the stockwells they peeked through my garbage!
 * Unsigned "comment" by 210.84.153.81.
 * Keep I'm afraid it isn't relevant whether someone wants to be in Wikipedia or not, only whether they should be. CalJW 15:27, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Appears notable, and the subject's desire to be documented is (thankfully) irrelevant.  Postdlf 21:09, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable author of several books on CIA operations (In Search of Enemies, The Praetorean Guard etc) Kaibabsquirrel 01:03, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
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Death counts in Doctor Who stories

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Countdown Vampires

Countdown Vampires (カウントダウンヴァンパイヤーズ) is a survival horror game for the PlayStation developed by K2 LLC and published by Bandai.

Gameplay
The gameplay is similar to the earlier games in the Resident Evil series, to the extent of being labelled a "clone", although there are some additions like a dart gun as a secondary weapon, used to sedate most enemies (mainly, zombie-like "vampires") and then sprinkle "white water" on them to restore their humanity, instead of simply killing all enemies that approach the player (which can also be done). This encourages the player to use a wide variety of fighting techniques if they want to "save" the enemies. As the game advances, more and more creatures appear (whose origins are not that well explained until late in the game), such as giant vampire bats, werewolf-like creatures, giant humanoid mantis-like insects, giant frog mutants (which are similar to the hunters from the first Resident Evil), and purple blobs. The dart gun does not work on these types of enemies.

It is possible to reload all guns and to switch between the dart gun and a lethal weapon in real-time without having to use the menu screen. It is also possible to reload in real-time before emptying a firearm's bullet count. There is an "e-mail" system in the item storage boxes which is mainly used to further explain and expand the backstory. It is also notable that there are minigames available in the first part of the game (set in a casino), like roulette and slot machines; the money won in these games can be used to buy food and drinks, the in-game recovery items.

If the game is cleared within eight hours, a special story mode is unlocked which shows an altered version of the original story and includes additional characters not present in the first playthrough. This also gives the option to gather the five "Lucky coins". A minigame called "Prince of Darkness" is unlocked by typing "Prince Darkness" in the New Game option of the second disc. In this minigame, the player controls a vampire version of Keith and has to slay humans within a 20 minutes time limit. Game characters appear as enemies, such as Mira, Sheck, and The Man in Black.

Plot
Sea Rim City Police Homicide Detective Keith J. Snyder had a problem which involved his previous partner, Wesley Simmons, so he was assigned, as a disciplinary measure, to be a bodyguard for several VIPs who were key to the inauguration of a new horror-themed casino, the Desert Moon. The problems began when a fire broke out and a mysterious black liquid started to pour out of the fire sprinklers, turning the vast majority of the people into vampires that proceeded to devour the remaining survivors. Now Keith must find his way out of the casino and also try save as many people as he can.

Reception
The game received "unfavorable" reviews according to the review aggregation website Metacritic. In Japan, Famitsu gave it a score of 30 out of 40. Official U.S. PlayStation Magazine gave it a negative review months before the game was released Stateside.

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Bob Wiseman

Robert Neil Wiseman (born 1962) is a film composer, songwriter, author and music teacher. Wiseman discovered or produced many artists including Ron Sexsmith, The Lowest of the Low, Bruce McCulloch of Kids in the Hall, Anhai, and former Canadian member of parliament Andrew Cash. He is a founding member of Blue Rodeo with whom he won 5 Juno Awards.

Career
In the 1980s Wiseman played at open stages in Toronto where he started producing friends Bob Snider, Kyp Harness, Ron Sexsmith, Sahara Spracklin and Sam Larkin. He joined Blue Rodeo in 1984 and quit in 1992 to follow a solo career.

Wiseman's songs often incorporate new musical elements and explicit political themes. Guest contributors on his 13 albums include Daniel Lanois, Mary Margaret O'Hara, Eugene Chadbourne, Edie Brickell, Ron Sexsmith, Jane Siberry, Basia Bulat and Serena Ryder.

In 2009 a 20th anniversary edition of In Her Dream was released by the Blocks Recording Club and the songs were performed live by various friends including Ron Sexsmith, Geoff Berner, Owen Pallett, Kyp Harness, The Phonemes, Picastro, Michael Holt, Maggie MacDonald, UIC, Henri Faberge, and Don Christensen. In 2006 Wiseman and his partner, Magali Meagher, were accompaniment for Daniel Johnston. Wiseman was also a member of Slutarded, Black Eyes, The Hidden Cameras and Dick Duck & the Dorks.

Some of his better known songs include "White Dress" – a song about sexual assault, recorded by Serena Ryder, "What the Astronaut Noticed and Then Suggested" which was the theme song for the CBC Television series Material World, and the theme song to CBC radio's Someone Knows Something.

Touring and theatre
In 2009 Wiseman created Actionable, a PowerPoint presentation utilizing Super 8, video and live accompaniment on accordion and guitar which he presented in 2010 at the Uno Festival in Victoria as well as Fringe Festival circuits.

Wiseman collaborated theatrically with Scott Thompson of The Kids in the Hall, creating and touring Scottastrophe also with Anand Rajaram on award-winning Cowboys and Indians and with Sean Dixon for Barbara Gowdy's story The White Bone adaptation, with The Madawaska String Quartet and with Maggie MacDonald and Stephanie Markowitz writing the music for their play The Rat King.

Wiseman toured with Feist, Final Fantasy, Ron Sexsmith, and Scott Thompson and was a guest performer with Wilco, The Wallflowers, Eugene Chadbourne, Jimmy Carl Black (of Frank Zappa), Edie Brickell, Michelle Wright, Ashley MacIsaac & Garland Jeffries. Videos on YouTube of Wiseman songs performed with Feist ("You Don't Love Me"), Serena Ryder ("White Dress") Sexsmith ("All The Trees)".

Artists who covered Wiseman's songs include The Madawaska String Quartet, UIC, Leah Abramson, The Bourbon Tabernacle Choir, Michael Holt, Change of Heart, Magali Meagher, Tom St. Louis, Ben Bootsma and The Blind Venetians.

Wiseman makes super 8 films and videos that he accompanies live on accordion, guitar or piano. He tours/ performs with these films in Europe, United States, New Zealand and Canada subtitling them when necessary. Wiseman is the only live musician on John Oswald's 1988 release Plunderphonics. He was on the board of directors for LIFT, TAIS, The Tranzac & the Blocks Recording Club label in Toronto. In 2019 he obtained his master's degree in Environmental Studies from York University and currently is in the PhD program at the International Institute for Critical Studies in Improvisation.

Production
Wiseman started producing records in the 1980s, his debut "Wet Water" charted No. 4 on CKLN-FM at Ryerson Polytechnical Institute. Soon he was arranging and recording many friends like Ron Sexsmith, Sam Larkin, Kyp Harness, Sahara Spracklin and UIC. The record he produced for Ron Sexsmith "Grand Opera Lane" was rejected by Canadian A&R representatives. Through persistence he managed to get it to Todd Sullivan at Geffen Records in Los Angeles, who eventually gave it to Ronnie Vance in the publishing department which led to a deal for Ron Sexsmith with Interscope. Other notable clients were Kid in the Hall Bruce McCulloch, with whom Wiseman produced and co-wrote much of his Atlantic Records release Shame Based Man (listed as No. 24 on Spin Magazine's top comedy albums of all time). Other artists Wiseman has produced include Edie Brickell, Canadian Member of Parliament Andrew Cash, Knitting Factory Recording Artist Carmaig de Forest, Robert Priest, Anhai, Friendly Rich, Jess Reimer, Katie Crown, Bourbon Tabernacle Choir, Eugene Chadbourne, and Bob Snider.

Author

 * July 2023, Improv notes Issue on Andy Newmark Counting to Seventeen.
 * June 2022, Improv notes Issue on Coleman Hughes goes to Washington.
 * April 2022, Improv notes Issue on Fred Stone (musician) Musical Phenomenologist.
 * April 2021, Improv notes Issue on the Tranzac and Covid.
 * July 2020, ECW Press Music Lessons 350 pages.

Radio scores

 * Julie Bindel podcast theme (2024)
 * Someone Knows Something (2016)

Film scores

 * Polish (2023) by Eytan Millstone and Dan Bricker
 * Temperance (2022) by Scott Thompson
 * Rasputin (2018) by Jamie Shannon
 * The Drawer Boy (2017) by Arturo Pérez Torres and Aviva Armour-Ostroff
 * Idiots In Love (2016) by Kathleen Phillips-Locke
 * Meat Pie (2015) by Eytan Millstone
 * Political Refugee (2015) by Rob Stefaniuk
 * The Education of William Bowman (2015) by Ken Finkleman
 * Blood White (2015) by Rotter and Kess
 * Micah Lexier, Visual Artist (2015) by Min Sook Lee
 * Love Song for the Apocalypse (2014) by David Ridgen
 * Every Story Has a Twist (2014) by Bindu Shah
 * Mugshot (2014) by Dennis Mohr
 * Safir (2013) by Mariam Zaidi
 * David Noble: A Wrench In The Gears (2013) by Jon Bullick
 * Candy (2013) by Cassandra Cronenberg
 * The Ghosts In Our Machine (2013) by Liz Marshall
 * What's Art Got To Do With It? (2013) by Isabel Fryzsberg
 * The Thunder Bird & The Killer Whale (2012) by Caroline Trudell
 * Even If My Hands Were Full of Truths (2012) by Franci Duran
 * Sad Wet Happy Dry (2011) by Levi MacDougall
 * The Old Ways (2011) by Mike Vass
 * That Thing That Happened (2010) by Josh Saltzman and Lindsay Ames
 * The Pickles Shane (2009) by Levi MacDougall
 * Sous l'oeil du temps (2009) by Madi Pillar
 * Drawing from Life (2008) by Katerina Cizek
 * Abstract (2007) by Steve Whitehouse
 * Heart Mission (2005) by Katie Crown
 * Scarlett's Room (2004) by Yvonne Ng
 * The Racist Brick (2003) by Dave Derewlany and Adam Brodie
 * Toraanisqatsi (2001) by Leif Harmsen
 * Thirst (2000) by Jessica Joy Wise
 * American Whiskey Bar (1996) by Bruce McDonald
 * Coleslaw Warehouse (1994) by Bruce McCulloch

Television scores

 * Food Stories (2023) for Guelph Television
 * Derby (2016) for Bravo
 * Guidance (2013) for BiteTV
 * Carolina Dai (2011) for RAI
 * The Distractions (2003) for The Comedy Network
 * Loving Spoonful (1998–2006) for WTN network & Canadian Broadcasting Corporation
 * Twitch City (1996–1999) Bruce McDonald (director) and Don McKellar
 * Spiritual Literacy (1998) for VisionTV
 * Pet Project (1995–1998) for Animal Planet
 * Wildside (1993–1994) for Nickelodeon
 * Material World (1992) for Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

Theatre scores

 * Charming Monsters (2013) directed by Aaron Rothermund
 * Smother (2012) directed by Omar Joseph Hady
 * Actionable (2011) directed by Sean Dixon
 * Cowboys and Indians (2008) directed by Anand Rajaram
 * The White Bone (2007) directed by Sean Dixon
 * The Rat King (2006) directed by Maggie MacDonald and Steph Markowitz
 * Hys Unauthorized Lyfe and Tymes (2002) directed by Anand Rajaram
 * The 3 Penny Epic Cabaret (1994) directed by Adam Nashman
 * Peter Cottontail (1969) directed by Mrs. Smith

Selected releases

 * Bob Wiseman Sings Wrench Tuttle: In Her Dream (1989, Atlantic Records). The album created some notoriety when the first thousand copies were destroyed by Warner Music due to the song "Rock and Tree" which was feared libelous. It was about the murder of Salvador Allende and mentioned Richard Nixon, Henry Kissinger and Donald M. Kendall, the president of Pepsi Cola. "Wrench Tuttle", the credited lyricist, was a Wiseman pseudonym. (Wiseman claimed that he set music to words by Tuttle, a poet who would send him lyrics in the mail.)  The album was included in the Canadian music critics top 100 albums of all time The album yielded the video "We Got Time", with cameos by Mendelson Joe and friends, Tracy Wright (for whom Wiseman wrote the 2013 song mothface@yahoo.ca), Don McKellar, Leslie Spit Treeo and Mary Margaret O'Hara. The album also featured "Airplane on the Highway" which had an accompanying video by Caroline Azar and animator Lisa Bujoin.
 * Hits of the 60s and the 70s (1990, self released) recording of piano improvisations that contained no hits from the 60s or70s.
 * Presented by Lake Michigan Soda (1991, Warner Music Canada). Guests included Edie Brickell, Jane Siberry and Eugene Chadbourne with whom he recorded Chopin's etude Opus 10 No. 6 retitling it opus 10 No. 666 with Chadbourne on distorted electric rake introducing himself as "Oighan Chadbornitsky of the Budapest Philharmonic". The song "What the Astronaught Noticed and Then Suggested" became the theme song for the CBC Television sitcom Material World produced by The Kids in the Hall's Susan Cavan. Three videos were filmed for PBLMS. "The Man From Glad" was directed by Yvonne Ng (artistic director of Princess Productions) shot by Nicholas de Pencier with costars including Keith Cole. "Frost in Florida", about global warming, was directed by Andrea Nann and shot by de Pencier. "Taylor Field",about adolescent suicide, was directed by Howard Wiseman.
 * City of Wood (1993, Warner Music Canada and Glitterhouse Records in Europe)
 * Beware of Bob (1994, Sabre Touque Records in Canada and FU Stephano in Italy) – instrumental album.
 * Accidentally Acquired Beliefs (1995, Warner Music Canada). It was recorded at Metalworks Studios in Mississauga, Ontario.
 * More Work Songs from the Planet of the Apes (1997, God Finds Cats). Jean Smith praised it for the song Libelous about activists David Morris and Helen Steel (see McLibel case).
 * It's True (2004, Blocks Recording Club)
 * Theme and Variations (2006, Blocks Recording Club). Top 10 of 2006 Toronto's Now Magazine.
 * The Legend (2008, Blocks Recording Club), a live recording from Halifax.
 * Giulietta Masina at the Oscars Crying (2013, Blocks Recording Club (vinyl), God Finds Cats (CD)). Songs about police murders, Robert Dziekanski taser incident, and political leaders. Guests include Mary Margaret O'Hara, Maylee Todd, Serena Ryder, Mark Hundevad, Michael Keith and Michael Holt.

Production

 * Wiseman Sessions (1988) UIC
 * Outside The Law (1989) Basic English
 * Sam Larkin (1989) Sam Larkin
 * Grand Opera Lane (1990) Ron Sexsmith
 * Put Your Head on Your Shoulders (1990) The Bourbon Tabernacle Choir
 * Nowhere Fast (1991) Kyp Harness
 * You (1991) Bob Snider
 * Love Song to the Alien (1992) The Liz Band
 * Shaylee (1992) Edie Brickell
 * Hi (1992) Andrew Cash
 * Just Buy It (1992) Furnaceface
 * Gamble/ Motel 6 (1993) Lowest of the Low
 * Ruins of Our Own (1993) Eugene Chadbourne
 * Shame-Based Man (1995) Bruce McCulloch
 * California (1996) Jeanette Froncz
 * Spacewoman (1998) Selina Martin
 * We Need A New F Word (2005) Friendly Rich
 * Gamma Knife (2011) Maria Kasstan
 * Apology (2011) Eihpos Grapes
 * Countdown (2011) Stacey McLeod
 * Arachnia (2011) Sean Dixon
 * New Boots (2011) Laska Sawade
 * Catholic School (2011) Christine Cleary
 * Love You More (2011) Kwesi Immanuel
 * Three of Swords (2013) Mimi Osvath
 * The Nightjar and The Garden (2014) Jess Reimer
 * The Secret Songs of Sam Larkin (2015) Sam Larkin
 * Tomorrow Is Today (2018) Anhai
 * Love is Hard (2022) Robert Priest

Solo discography

 * Wet Water (1984)
 * In Her Dream: Bob Wiseman Sings Wrench Tuttle (1989)
 * Hits of the Sixties and Seventies (1990)
 * Presented by Lake Michigan Soda (1991)
 * City of Wood (1993)
 * Beware of Bob (1994)
 * Accidentally Acquired Beliefs (1995)
 * More Work Songs from the Planet of the Apes (1997)
 * It's True (2004)
 * Theme and Variations (2006)
 * The Legend (2008)
 * In Her Dream (2009) – 20th anniversary edition on vinyl with previously unreleased tracks
 * Giulietta Masina At The Oscars Crying (2013)

Film and videography
A retrospective of his films and videos were shown in 2010 both in Kuopio, Finland and in Genoa, Italy at the Associazione Culturale Disorderdrama.

 * Alexander and the Hydro Pole (1999)
 * All Dressed Up (2001)
 * Bhopal (driftnet plan) (2003)
 * My Cousin Dave (2003)
 * Uranium (2004)
 * Drum Sounds (2005)
 * Bob And Choice (2006)with Scott Thompson, Levi MacDougall and Nathan Fielder
 * Found Poetry (2006)
 * 100 Instruments (2007)
 * Dead Inside (2007)
 * Who Am I (2008)
 * Ten Cent Job (2009)
 * Response of a Lakota Woman to FBI Intimidation (2009)
 * Disappearing Trick (2009)
 * Hand Language (2010)
 * You Don't Love Me (2010)
 * Three Men (2011)
 * Two (2011)
 * Neil Young at the Junos (2013)
 * Misery (2016)
 * Mothface@Yahoo.ca (2017)
 * The Reform Part at Burning Man (2019)

Personal life
Wiseman attended Joseph Wolinsky Collegiate, École River Heights, Grant Park, Argyle Alternative High School in Winnipeg, Manitoba and holds a Masters of Environmental Studies from York University. Currently a 2024 PhD candidate at the International Institute for Critical Studies in Improvisation.

Awards

 * 5 Juno Awards won with Blue Rodeo
 * Juno nomination Most Promising Male Vocalist
 * Gemini Award Nomination 2000 for Twitch City music
 * Lifetime achievement award winner from CBC Radio 3
 * Presented with the Key to Bruno, Saskatchewan by the Mayor in 2008
 * Best Songwriter 2013 Now Readers Poll (runner up)
 * 2015 Dan Galea 4th Wiseman Music of Sound Award
 * 2017 Favourite cover of Exclaim! 25th anniversary issue.

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 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. There is a consensus here to continue using the common name instead of maintaining perfect consistency, and per WP:CRITERIA that sort of prioritization is a choice that editors are allowed to make. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 08:59, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Inter Milan → FC Internazionale Milano – FC Internazionale Milano is the official name. Inter Milan may be most common in English, but I don't think this is a valid reason for not moving. In fact, considering WP:TITLECON, almost all football clubs have the official name, for example Manchester United F.C. and Juventus FC. The most common names are "Manchester United" (or "Man United") and "Juventus" (or "Juve"); so I think we should move also this page to the club's official name 14 novembre (talk) 19:54, 23 February 2024 (UTC) WP:AT lays out principles for naming criteria. The current title is clearly aligned on recognisability, naturalness and conciseness and this is the English Wikipedia - not the Italian. The "man in the street" argument is supported by WP:ENGLISH which states "The title of an article should generally use the version of the name of the subject which is most common in the English language". "Internazionale" and "Milano" are not English words and the use of "F.C." at the beginning is virtually unheard of in English football club names.
 * Oppose for all of the reasons previously provided, fully documented, none of which have changed. I suggest you examine those for the current agreed and settled title rather than creating yet another wasteful relitigating of this topic. Leaky caldron (talk) 20:03, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
 * We need to overcome the partisan football fan perspective and think about this issue in the context of building a policy based encyclopaedia which is for the benefit of everyone - not just knowledgeable soccer fans. It is important to remember why we are here, not simply what we each want out of it. Consistency is not the only criteria. While the desire to line everything up neatly is commendable - and occasionally justifiable in itself (such as in entomology) - that is not the case where the naming of an article has to articulate more than that which is purely official. The format and language of the proposed title is an Italian construct which is anti-typical to the English language. The simple challenge is this - is there evidence that "F.C. Internazionale Milano" is more common in English sources than the existing title?
 * Policy and guidelines are the mainstay of WP and the common feature of each of these naming policies is the word "English". It is not relevant that a name is derivative or slang. It has to be English. It is what is used by WP:RS in the English speaking world that is the basis for naming policy on en-Wiki. Our personal likes, preferences and comparisons with other articles cannot override established and documented standards. These are the relevant polices and significant guides:
 * WP:ENGLISH "The title of an article should generally use the version of the name of the subject which is most common in the English language, as you would find it in reliable sources". "Internazionale" and "Milano" are Italian words.

All reliable evidence is that in the English speaking world Inter Milan outweighs other usage.
 * WP:COMMONNAME ("The most common name for a subject as determined by its prevalence in reliable English-language sources, is often used as a title because it is recognizable and natural.")

 * WP:NAME ("Article titles should be recognizable to readers, unambiguous, and consistent with usage in reliable English-language sources.")

 * WP:UE ("The choice between anglicized and local spellings should follow English-language usage")

 * WP:MOS ("Foreign words should be used sparingly")

Leaky caldron (talk) 16:32, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:PLACE ("When a widely accepted English name, in a modern context, exists for a place, we should use it.") - Milan not MilanO

 * @Leaky caldron Not actually agreed. There are many strong arguments in favor of the move. The discussion must continue; of course, your arguments against the move will not be ignored. Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 20:09, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 6 previous evidence based discussions in 11 years suggests otherwise. I strongly suggest that to make a convincing argument it will need to be demonstrated what has changed rather than just a series of personal preferences. Leaky caldron (talk) 20:13, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @Leaky caldron Actually in the most recent discussion the majority of participants was in favour of the move. And even if you do not recognise it as a consensus, in 2 years the consensus might have changed, so a new discussion can be opened. When a decision has been taken, it is not forever, even if the subject does not change. Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 20:16, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, changes in article name are to be based on policy WP:TITLE not a vote amongst interested parties. Please read the policy and the previous decision rationales and you will understand why this particular article has not been changed despite 6 RNs requests in 11 years. Leaky caldron (talk) 20:31, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @Leaky caldron Well if this is the situation, I agree there is no need for a discussion. We can move it immediately for WP:TITLECON. Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 20:44, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
 * That essay is a contributory provider of guidance, along with around 8 - 10 other policy, guidelines and essays on the subject of article naming. It would be a bit of an overreach - and wrong - to use a single essay to make an immediate move. It is not the correct approach. Like I say, it is overall weight of evidence that has to be persuasive for the decision maker. Leaky caldron (talk) 21:00, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

 * Oppose move (again). The common name in English-language sources is Inter Milan.  O.N.R.  (talk) 20:49, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

 * @Old Naval Rooftops If this is how we decide names, why do we have Manchester United F.C. and Juventus FC. Or we use always the official name, or we always use the common name. No reason for FC Internazionale being an exception. 14 novembre (talk) 21:41, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I think in your move rationale, you make a stronger case for moving Juventus FC to Juventus and Manchester United F.C. to Manchester United, than you do for your actual move request.--Atlan (talk) 05:06, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, it is not only Juve or Manchester Utd, practically all clubs have the official name, with "FC" or something similar and no abbreviations. This is apparently the only major club to gave the common name. However I think the best thing could be start a discussion in WP:Football to decide if Football clubs should be named by 1) their complete, official name or
 * 2) by their most common name. I have a slight preference for the first option, but the most important thing would be to take a common decision, in one or the other direction. The current situation is option 1) for almost all clubs and 2) of FC Internazionale Milano. Doesn't actually make sense. So if there is no problem I will start such discussion. Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 10:39, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @14 novembre I would encourage you NOT to go down this route. You are a relatively new, not native English (it seems) user. This is the English WP (as opposed to Italian or anywhere else). The naming of articles it very well established and it is not an area where you can possibly hope to achieve consensus and consistency across thousands of sports club articles (it would not stop at football). If you would only read the many previous attempts at resolving the name of this article you will see the challenge you will face and the insurmountable problems in achieving your version of consistency. Consistency across subjects is not the only factor. Please try to understand that. You have already been rebuffed by going to the wrong place asking WP:AN to perform a "simple" change - please do not go against established practice without considering the very significant consequences. Nothing is straightforward here and I fear you will be out of your depth. Leaky caldron (talk) 12:49, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @Leaky caldron Thanks for your advice. Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 15:10, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @14 novembre Also note, because it is relevant to your WP:FOOTBALL suggestion, that on the English WP any consensus arrived at on a project among a limited group of editors cannot override community consensus on a wider scale. For instance, participants in a WikiProject cannot unilaterally decide that general policies or guideline do not apply to articles covered by the project - see WP:LOCALCONSENSUS. Leaky caldron (talk) 15:27, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, it is not only Juve or Manchester Utd, practically all clubs have the official name, with "FC" or something similar and no abbreviations. This is apparently the only major club to gave the common name. However I think the best thing could be start a discussion in WP:Football to decide if Football clubs should be named by 1) their complete, official name or
 * 2) by their most common name. I have a slight preference for the first option, but the most important thing would be to take a common decision, in one or the other direction. The current situation is option 1) for almost all clubs and 2) of FC Internazionale Milano. Doesn't actually make sense. So if there is no problem I will start such discussion. Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 19:20, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

 * Oppose move: This move request seems to treat "official name" and "common name" (as defined by WP:COMMONNAME) as mutually exclusive. This is not the case and it is where the move rationale simply falls apart. With those clubs like Juventus en Manchester United, the official name just happens to also be the common name. Based on this rationale and absent any other compelling argument, I don't see a reason to move--Atlan (talk) 16:12, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

 * @Atlan No. The official names (under which the articles are named) are respectively "Juventus FC" and "Manchester United FC". They are unfrequent in common language. Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 20:44, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Which is why I said you make a stronger case for moving Juventus FC to Juventus and Manchester United FC to Manchester United.-Atlan (talk) 01:21, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

 * Support per WP:CONSISTENT and all other Italian football club articles being at their formal titles. This RM is going to keep getting proposed until the inconsistency is sorted out. Number   5  7  16:14, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @Number 57 I agree with your arguments 14 novembre (talk) 20:44, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 12:02, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Support - 'Inter Milan' is a nickname only, similar to clubs called (e.g.) Man U, Wolves, Hearts, Sporting Lisbon etc. that we see frequently in sports journalism. GiantSnowman 12:04, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I'd contend that your examples are more abbreviations than actual nicknames. Nicknames would be The Gunners (Arsenal) and Red Devils (Man U) etc, and you never see those on any fixtures. But I'll grant you that Inter Milan is an abbreviation of sorts. However, it is commonly listed on English language fixtures such as BBC and Sky as Inter Milan, where no other of your suggested abbreviations are present.--Atlan (talk) 13:45, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The BBC also uses (on occasion) Sporting Lisbon and Wolves etc, so your argument doesn't work. GiantSnowman 22:02, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @GiantSnowman Absolutely. This is why the name being cited in BBC is no reason for some strange exception to the convention of the official name being used. Is Juventus more common in media than Juventus FC? Absolutely. But why is the article entitled Juventus FC? Because the common name is only one of the principles, but also for consistency with practically all other clubs the name should always be the official one. Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 22:08, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

WP:AT lays out principles for naming criteria. The current title clearly on recognisability, naturalness and conciseness. This is the English Wikipedia - not the Italian. The "man in the street" argument is supported by WP:ENGLISH which states "The title of an article should generally use the version of the name of the subject which is most common in the English language". "Internazionale" and "Milano" are not English words and the use of "F.C." at the beginning is virtually unheard of in English football club names.
 * @Atlan Inter Milan is not a nickname. It is a common, abbreviated name. However, articles on football clubs are named not by their common name, but by their official name. It the name should be the most common in media, we should not have Juventus FC but only Juventus; not Manchester United F.C. but Manchester United (or Utd); I can find no reason for which Inter should be an exception, the article being names with the common and not the official complete name. Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 13:55, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @14 novembre The reason is clearly and logically argued in the previous 6 discussions over 10 years. You need to overcome the partisan football fanatic perspective and think about this issue in the context of building a policy based encyclopaedia which is for the benefit of everyone - not just knowledgeable soccer fans. It is important to remember why we are here, not simply what we want out of it. Consistency is not the only criteria. While the desire to line everything up neatly is commendable - and occasionally justifiable in itself (such as in entomology) - that is not the case where the naming of an article has to articulate more than that which is purely official. The format and language of the proposed title is an Italian construct which is anti-typical to the English language. The simple challenge is this - is there evidence that "F.C. Internazionale Milano" is more common in English sources than the existing title?
 * Policy and guidelines are the mainstay of WP. Note that the common feature of each of these naming policy guidelines is the word "English". It is not relevant that a name is derivative or slang. It has to be English. It is what is used by WP:RS in the English speaking world that is the basis for naming policy on en-Wiki. Personal likes, preferences and comparisons with other foreign sounding articles cannot override established and documented standards. These are the relevant polices and significant guides:
 * WP:ENGLISH "The title of an article should generally use the version of the name of the subject which is most common in the English language, as you would find it in reliable sources". "Internazionale" and "Milano" are Italian words.

All reliable evidence is that in the English speaking world Inter Milan outweighs other usage.
 * WP:COMMONNAME ("The most common name for a subject as determined by its prevalence in reliable English-language sources, is often used as a title because it is recognizable and natural.")

 * WP:NAME ("Article titles should be recognizable to readers, unambiguous, and consistent with usage in reliable English-language sources.")

 * WP:UE ("The choice between anglicized and local spellings should follow English-language usage")

 * WP:MOS ("Foreign words should be used sparingly")

Leaky caldron (talk) 15:28, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:PLACE ("When a widely accepted English name, in a modern context, exists for a place, we should use it.") - Milan not MilanO

 * Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME: FIFA (not: Fédération Internationale de Football Association or International Federation of Association Football). Considerations of nicknames, etc., are an exercise in original research. If 14 novembre replies to this comment, as he has every other oppose, and having made almost 40% of all the comments here so far, I will seek a partial block for them from this page. Also oppose move per Leaky Cauldron's forensic examination of reasons to move, and logical dismissal of every one of them in turn.  ——Serial  15:52, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Leaky caldron. Idiosincrático (talk) 23:10, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Support for consistency's sake with the rest of the articles on Italian football clubs. To respond to the most common policies cited in support of the current name:
 * WP:ENGLISH "The title of an article should generally use the version of the name of the subject which is most common in the English language, as you would find it in reliable sources". The club themselves use "FC Internazionale Milano" on the English language version of their official website (see the title bar and the copyright info on this page, and in very large letters on this page), whereas they don't use "Inter Milan" at all except in the online store. "Inter" yes, "Inter Milan" no (see here.

"FC Internazionale Milano" is recognisable due to the fact that the club use it for themselves and it doesn't take a genius to work out that "FC Internazionale Milano" might refer to the club they might have heard of as "Inter" or "Inter Milan"
 * WP:COMMONNAME ("The most common name for a subject as determined by its prevalence in reliable English-language sources, is often used as a title because it is recognizable and natural.")

 * WP:NAME ("Article titles should be recognizable to readers, unambiguous, and consistent with usage in reliable English-language sources.") – Recognisable: addressed above; unambiguous: obviously; usage: ESPN, The Guardian, UEFA, need I go on?

 * WP:UE ("The choice between anglicized and local spellings should follow English-language usage") – Since "Inter", "Internazionale" and "FC Internazionale Milano" are all used by English-language sources, their use on Wikipedia would follow English-language usage.

 * WP:MOS ("Foreign words should be used sparingly") – This is spurious. It's not egregious to use the correct name of an organisation when referring to it. You wouldn't talk about Royal Madrid, so why insist on "Inter Milan"?

 * WP:PLACE ("When a widely accepted English name, in a modern context, exists for a place, we should use it.") – This is not the name of a place, it's the name of a football club. Even when the Kyiv article was located at Kiev, the article on that city's most famous football club was located at FC Dynamo Kyiv because that's the way the club spells it. The same should apply here.
 * This article should never have been moved in the first place. The right thing to do is to move it back. – PeeJay 00:58, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose clear superiority for the current name, see above and this helpful graph. No, 's argument that the most common name in English reliable sources can be determined from the club's website does not actually make sense, nor does their choice to cite two sources that don't actually use the name they support moving to. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 04:27, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * If your rationale is the most common name, I doubt that people search Juventus FC more than Juventus and Manchester United F.C more than Manchester United 14 novembre (talk) 11:03, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * When did I say anything about the club's "most common name"? The choice of an article title is not simply based on what's most common. My argument was based on the fact that "Inter", "Internazionale" and "Inter Milan" are all relatively equally common and therefore "FC Internazionale Milano" is the logical choice for the article title. – PeeJay 11:36, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * You quoted WP:ENGLISH. Scroll up if you can't remember. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:21, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * No need to get snippy. It seems like you're the one who's failed to scroll up, since I was obviously responding to Leaky caldron's arguments relating to those policies. I don't actually think WP:ENGLISH applies here. – PeeJay 17:28, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per very clear WP:COMMONNAME, which is not superseded by local "rules" made by a section of fandom. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:52, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Not this again... the common name in English is very clear, and this has been discussed ad nauseam before... no evidence that the situation has changed. — Amakuru (talk) 14:53, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose Per all the previous discussions (COMMONNAME). Kante4 (talk) 17:50, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 March 2024
The first president of the team was the Greek Ἰωάννης Παραμυθιώτης (Giovanni Paramithiotti) born in Venice from a family coming from Paramythia in Thesprotia, Epirus, where his father was born. The Paramithiotis family is well known in Greek life and today there are many prominent Greeks with this surname. For reports about the Jewishness of Paramythiotis are not valid because there were never Jews in Paramythia as there were no Albanians but only Greeks population and the Turkish occupation army. Besides, the nomenclature Paramythiotis is purely Greek and in Italian it uses the H (th) to cover the non-existent Th (Θ) in the Italian alphabet. Kosthell (talk) 20:27, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Jamedeus (talk) 02:32, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 May 2024
Owner Oaktree Capital Management (99.6%) Pirelli & C. S.p.A. (0,37 %) Other shareholders (0,03 %) 109.43.178.209 (talk) 08:42, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. PianoDan (talk) 20:07, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

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