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Talk:Move America Forward

Untitled
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.126.227.181 (talk) 01:20, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I flagged this NPOV as there is an obvious bias tot his article. Firstly the tone is completely inappropriate for an unbiased article. Secondly, while there are numerous questionable things this group has done, there is very little emphasis on the good things it has done, even to benefit parties which the author(s) do not agree with.

NPOV
I tagged this with an NPOV tag for the following statements which need citations at the very least.
 * "ultra right-wing"
 * "its actions have been almost wholly partisan and hence restricted to the political arena."

The controversy sections comes across as soapboxing with regard to the claims made by whatreallyhappened.com. The article as a whole suffers from a lack of citations and references. Madcoverboy 22:17, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

 * The above comments, while very appropriate and applicable, do not begin to reflect the obvious bias of the article. I do not intend to go through such a long-winded, one-sided piece of work pointing out blow by blow its bias but will simply prove the point by noting the huge difference in tone, approach, and "validity" when compared with the article re moveon.org. It is recommended that this article be scrapped in its entirety and redone.

A beginning: Move America Forward is a self-described non-partisan, not-for-profit charitable organization committed to supporting America’s efforts to defeat terrorism and supporting the brave men and women of our Armed Forces. (From the website.) If the existing set of prejudicial statements are to stand, then please modify the moveon.org article to reflect similar tone and attitude. Here's a little guidance: Moveon.org is composed of three ultra left-wing organizations: one, a civic action group, two, a political action group and three, a voter fund (527 org) that will turn out liberal voters. Moveon.org espouses extreme positions on all matters. A prime example is their anti-capitalist stance which, in 1999, enabled violent protests to take place in Seattle. The political action group and voter fund are dedicated to the support of any and all candidates whose views largely coincide with their philosophy. Moveon.org is heavily funded by George Soros, a Hungarian immigrant who made billions (he ranks #80 in the rich list) from successfully speculating in the stock market. (an unsigned comment from )

 * I agree and I've restored the long-standing description in the intro. The other passage you voiced concern about is supported by this source: Iraq war backers proudly pugnacious But critics say Move America Forward may abuse nonprofit status by Todd Milbourn, published in the Sacramento Bee on September 9, 2006. Its available at the sacbee.com website for a fee or through Topica, here: . FeloniousMonk 05:48, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

The NPOV issue doesn't seem to have been sufficently resolved. The only word I can think of offhand to describe how biased this article is is "apalling," to the point that this article would be better off if deleted. Terms like "ultra-nationalist", "media saturation campaigns", etc. should be used very carefully if at all. Direct criticism of the organization should not be in the introduction. In fact, the bulk of the article belongs in the controversy section. Subjective assessments should all be cited and quoted if they get in the article at all. Consult the MoveOn.org page's criticism section. '''All criticism of the organization is limited to this section. All of the criticism is attributed to specific people, not an IP address. Wikipedia is not the forum for political flaming.''' Also, WhatReallyHappened.com seems to be an unreliable source at first glance. It doesn't have the kind of reputation that would make mainstream readers consider it a reliable source. 65.43.208.65 (talk) 03:17, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

the lead
While this version's lead might be technically accurate, it does not (a) fit the citations, (b) follow the guidelines as found in WP:Lead, especially concerning accessibility. At best, someone has cherry-picked factoids from the weekly journal (Capitol Weekly) to support these statements. I recognize that this article covers a political organization; as such, it will be at times hotly contended. I propose the lead be kept to a "lighter", more accessible version.

Examples of what should not be in here. Statements like "advance a conservative agenda" followed by examples which are not, per se, conservative agenda: enforcing mexico-US border, for example. Also, the final sentence of the lead says
 * Move America Forward vocally supports and advocates the policies of the Bush Administration

And yet, the given citation gives counterexamples of that support:
 * But [Move America founder, Howard Kaloogian] was critical of President George W. Bush long before it was acceptable for Republicans to break with their once-popular leader, taking him to task in January 2004 over his immigration-amnesty proposal.

Also, the phrase/word "media-saturation campagin" never appears in the Capitol Weekly articles. I only see where they cite IRS returns stating $400,000 was spent on advertising. That amounts to something like 10 seconds of a super-bowl commercial, and a paltry sum compared to other agenda-based media campaigners (for example).

For comparison of leads, see Moveon.org. While that lead might be a bit tad short, it certainly doesn't try to prove a point. --AnOutsider 21:35, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Not adequately NPOV
This article has a more negative overall tone than the one on leftist mirror organuzation MoveOn.org and it's criticism section is roughly 3 times the size of the MoveOn.org listing. This article also lacks the MoveOn article's section explicitely detailing it's supporters and praise received from likeminded media outlets.

I'm so tired of the conservatives getting the short end of the stick on this website. Somebody fix this shit already and BALANCE IT OUT. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.146.242.164 (talk) 09:50, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Comments struck - that is the IP of one of Move America Forward's staff (Conflict of Interest)--Capitana (talk) 13:53, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

(also please don't swear)

 * Wait...how do you know that's the the IP address of on the Move America Forward's staff?!? 169.229.74.76 (talk) 00:59, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Unstriking out. Usually, the poster of a comment should do the striking out, if they wish to change their comment.  Edits in the discussion section are not COI.  In fact, they are almost the opposite.  People with a vested interest in an article can post their thoughts in the discussion page, allowing non-vested people to decide whether or not the article should be changed.  On an aside, although wikipedia is not censored, as Capitana said, please don't swear unless it really is applicable.  --Bertrc (talk) 02:46, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Article is unbalanced, biased, compared to Leftist Mirror group's Wiki
This article has a more negative overall tone than the one on leftist mirror organuzation MoveOn.org and it's criticism section is roughly 3 times the size of the MoveOn.org listing. This article also lacks the MoveOn article's section explicitely detailing it's supporters and praise received from likeminded media outlets.

I'm so tired of the conservatives getting the short end of the stick on this website. Somebody fix this crap already and BALANCE IT OUT.

ADDITIONAL NOTES: Swearing removed. Sorry.

I do not now or have ever worked for this organization (If only I could, but they're a whole world away from my career path), and I suspect the Wiki user who struck this comment earlier is absolutely lying through his teeth about my IP address to censor a position he opposes.

This article is still a disgrace to Wikipedia's increasingly ridiculous claims of "neutrality".

-Troy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.220.162.119 (talk) 07:37, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Reason
Edits I made: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Move_America_Forward&diff=191082223&oldid=191040581

Reason: to conform to the controversy section of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moveon The controversy section there is concise and clean.

I also think http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:FeloniousMonk has a conflict of interest issue, since he or she started the page. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Move_America_Forward&diff=14278855&oldid=13520089 From the very beginning, the page has been extremely controversy heavy; taking up at least half of the page when it first started out. And with the information mainly from "whatreallyhappened.com", which I have never heard about and I can't find it on Wikipedia, so I doubt that it is a reputable source.

I made basic copy edits to trim the page down in my original edits, but FeloniousMonk removed them. Please advise further course of action. 169.229.74.76 (talk) 06:20, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Create an account and go from there. Also, FeloniousMonk is - as far as I can see a long standing respected editor with a high degree of neutrality. I think he has reverted to the long accepted version in order to stop this bickering and maintain a constant, reliable article that has been accepted by the community. Finally - if FeloniousMonk created the article - how could he possibly be biased against it's subject? He gave it it's first mention on WP! --Capitana (talk) 21:54, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't know if this issue is important enough for me to create an account. If it gets really hairy, then sure.

I think it's some sort of logical fallacy to conclude that a person who first created a page on wikipedia is inherently not biased against against the subject. If a person was not especially fond of a particular subject matter, he or she would have more of an incentive to create the page in the first place in order to paint the subject in a negative light, thus ensuring that anyone who search for the subject on wikipedia will receive a biased and negative view of the subject. For example, if a hard-core vegetarian came on wikipedia and found out that a page did not exist for "meat", then he or she will probably create a page extremely critical of meat.

Anyways, you didn't really address any of the issue I brought up. I want to make changes, but there seems to be a lot of resistance to change. 169.229.74.76 (talk) 00:48, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, you need to discuss it first - and provide sources. But as I said if you create an account people will have far more respect for your edits because it shows you are committed to the changes you want to make. If you look through our policies it will become apparent that this is a consensus based project. You need people to agree that your changes are productive if they are disputed by other editors --Capitana (talk) 13:11, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Please read WP:COI. Also, this article covers a controversial topic and has been the target of a determined campaign by its subject to whitewash it; we need to be very circumspect about significant changes to it moving forward. What specific changes do you have in mind? FeloniousMonk (talk) 04:55, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Maybe people wouldn't feel so compelled to edit articles about themselves if the articles weren't such biased garbage. And no I'm not affiliated with this group. I've never heard of them till today, and came here to find out what they were all about. And immediately I see they are "controversial" and use "media saturation campaigns" in the first two sentences. Note of course that references 1,2,3,4 are cited for those opinions, but don't give them. Whatever. Anyway that's as far as I got. I hunted around a while but couldn't find a liberal organization that gets called "controversial" at the very start. For that matter, not even NAMBLA or terrorist groups. I guess that tells you where conservative groups rank among editors here. The wikipedia is really just sad when it comes to political topics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.8.124.28 (talk) 22:13, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Issues for discussion
I love conservapedia. It is one of the most entertaining sites on the web. Wikipedia is not entertaining, but it is (usually) informative. One of my favorite pasttimes is looking up some polarizing topic on wikipedia, then comparing against the equivalent article in conservapedia. That is why it distresses me when a Wikipedia article starts approaching conservapedia in terms of POV and blatant bias; innaccurate/unreliable/non-existant citations; poor, unencyclopedic phrasing; etc. This article is approaching that. I had made several separate changes, but they all seem to have been reverted under a comment "restoring sourced content"  That is an odd comment, since some of the changes were due to POV issues on text that was not sourced at all.

In any case, I will break up my changes here. Please feel free to add any additional sections you think need discussing. --Bertrc (talk) 00:35, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Controversial
Here was my change:

I may think these people may have their heads up their rear-ends, when it comes to seeing the state of the world, but they are not invading private funerals, chanting "God hates Fags." They are taking stands on controversial subjects, and I disagree with their positions, but they seem no more controversial than the RNC itself. Calling them controversial seems very POV. I checkecked all three links. None of them call it a controversial organization. Heck, two treat it as a respectable NGO --Bertrc (talk) 00:35, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Agenda
Here was my change:

I would first like to point out what I think is obvious: this is not a sourcing issue, so reverting this change, claiming that it is sourced makes no sense. I readily admit that this is opinion, but the term "agenda" has a. . . greasy. . . feel to me. It is a term that Conservapedia loves to use to trivialize and simplify movements and groups that it does not like. MAF supports several causes, but the group itself seems to disorganized to have what I would call an "agenda." --Bertrc (talk) 00:35, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Edit 1
Here was my first change:

I'll take on the second part of the edit first, since it seems straight forward: When did Wikipedia start publishing rumors and conspiracy theories? Let's get rid of them. --Bertrc (talk) 00:35, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

As for the first part of the edit. a) I do not consider The Guardian to be one of the U.K.'s most respected newspapers. It is popular, yes, but I view it as I do the Daily News.  b) Even if I did consider it to be one of the U.K.'s most respectable newpapers. . . Who cares? The phrasing is unencyclopedic; it sounds as if we are afronted that they dared to inpunge the credibility of our cherished national symbol. If somebody called the New York Times or the Wall Street Journal "Far Left" then wikipedia should not say "They called one of the most respected newspapers in the U.S. far left." Just say they called the newpaper far left, and let the wiki-reader decide if they were being idiots. --Bertrc (talk) 00:35, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Edit 2
Here is the second:

Go check the cited sources. Nowhere does it say that the journalist had "moral reasons" for not "granting them publicity." --Bertrc (talk) 00:35, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Edit 3
Here is the third:

This was the most galling for me. I read the source (well, searched through the cited source) and did not find the Guardian being called "far left" anywhere. Please point out where "far left" is, in the cited sources. --Bertrc (talk) 00:35, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys
Here was my edit:

Here is the quote from the cited source: Morgan, who is also co-host of the popular "Lee Rodgers and Melanie Morgan Show" on San Francisco's KSFO, explained the "cheese-eating surrender monkeys" were meant to mock the cut-and-run politicians in Congress.

i.e., The term Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys applies to all politicians who oppose the war, not specifically Nancy Pelosi. --Bertrc (talk) 00:35, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

The Newshour
Here is my edit:

This was another galling one to find. Wikipedia should not speculate. Go look at the source. Nowhere does it say why she would not be appearing on the show again. It could have been because she wouldn't answer questions; it could have been because she flipped off the audience; it could have been because of aprotest write in campeign. My suspicion is that it was a combination of a lot of reasons, but even that is speculation. All we know is that the producers said she would not be showing up again. If I misread the source, and he gives reasons, somewhere, please let me know. --Bertrc (talk) 00:35, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Conclusion
Please let me know if you see something in the cited sources that I missed, and please discuss the opinion parts. Going forward, please do not make massive reverts under a single edit comment that does not apply to all the reverts. --Bertrc (talk) 00:35, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, since nobody seems to disagree with these edits, I am re-applying them. Please discuss before reverting.  --Bertrc (talk) 00:22, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

More NPOV Improvements
Bertrc's changes seem to have neutralized the tone a lot, but there are still a lot of elements that strike me as unbalanced. To start with the lede,

 * As has been noted before, "media-saturation" is a bit loaded; specifically, if taken literally, it implies an attempt to buy up all or most of the airtime and adspace in order to drown out the opposition. The sources don't seem to suggest that, so I'm assuming it's being used figuratively here, in which case it's both rhetorical and misleading.  "Media campaigns" would probably suffice here.
 * I don't see anything in the sources (at least at first glance, maybe I'm missing something) about campaigning for the recall of liberal governors. The article on the recall of Gray Davis was published before the organization was founded, and only mentions Sal Russo.  Even if we accept for the moment that MAF is actually just the new name of the Recall Gray Davis Committee (a citation on that quote would be nice), I don't think having been involved in the recall campaign of one governor justifies the somewhat sweeping generalization made here.  This might be better listed as an accomplishment, à la MoveOn.org's fundraising efforts - "MAF grew out of the successful recall campaign against Gray Davis", or something in that vein.
 * Nowhere do I see any indication that MAF advocates restriction of media or freedom of speech. The closest I see is a very out of context quote ("restrict[ing] liberal and activist media") with a citation leading to an article that doesn't contain any statement of the sort.  At the end Morgan encourages "stand[ing] up and fight[ing] back against [Media Matters'] campaign of mayhem", but she gives no specifics regarding what that means, and certainly nowhere implies that her goal is broad government regulation of the media.
 * Throughout the lede, "conservative" is written without quotes, but "liberal" is put in quotes, implying that the author considers the former to be an objective categorization and the latter to be highly subjective. Also, the use of the word "deems" indicates a certain degree of disapproval and condescension.  The same facts could be conveyed less judgmentally, for instance, by saying "the recalling of liberal state governors" instead of "the recalling of state governors it deems too 'liberal'", or "opposition to liberal political candidates" instead of "opposition of what it deems 'liberal' political candidates".  If there is some controversy regarding the alignment of the people the group targets (for instance, if they've tried to unseat a self-proclaimed moderate), we could even drop the "liberal" altogether and just note that they campaign against people with whom they disagree on certain issues.
 * The statement regarding support for Bush's policies is untrue as it stands, given their vocal opposition to at least some of his policies, and it seems unnecessary to the entry as a whole. I think it's enough to lay out the positions the group holds on given issues; I don't see the purpose of tying them as a whole to the policies of an unaffiliated politician.

I'm a bit new to contributing to WP (my first edit with a registered username, actually =P), so I'm hesitant to make changes this significant myself. I'd like some feedback, and feel free to take my points apart; I'm still figuring out how all this is supposed to work. --Aaronspook (talk) 23:34, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Aron, be bold and make your changes. This is wikipedia. We have an entire policy to help newbies.  If you feel your changes are objective and encyclopeadic, you should feel entitled to make them.  I particularly liked your point about the "conservative group deeming something too 'liberal'".  --Bertrc (talk) 19:09, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, changes made :) --Aaronspook (talk) 22:45, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I've reverted your changes to the article. They whitewashed sourced content and had serious NPOV issues. We must cover all views on the topic for a complete and neutral article when reliable sources exist, not just those favorable to the topic. Please do not make such unilateral changes again with a strong consensus from the regular contributors to the article. Odd nature (talk) 17:55, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'm with Aron on this one. The article body doesn't support the "media saturation" claim in the lead paragraph.  I think Aron's lead was a better introduction -- briefly saying how MAF started and high level about what it does -- I particularly agree with the removal of the quotations around 'liberal'.  Heck, I can even concede that the comment about supporting Bush is superfluous (It is already a given, and what about all the other conservative pol's MAF supports?) I don't think the changes were unilateral or overwhelming.  Aron was right to be bold and make them and he was right describe the reasons behind each change in this discussion.  Odd nature, can you please elaborate on your reversion, pointing out which aspects were white-washing (and why you feel so) and which aspects were sourced?  Your edit comment and your addition to this discussion do not go nearly into enough detail (IMHO).  I feel you should respond to his individual points and give him a chance to respond before making such a unilateral reversion.  FYI, be sure to read the BRD essay; it explicitly says not to except "consensus" as a reason.  I don't think his changes white-washed the article, they simply remove a bit of POV.  Wikipedia doesn't have to tell readers that these people are idiots; wikireaders will come to such a conclusion themselves from an honest unbiased description. --Bertrc (talk) 01:45, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

 * Again, please stop removing properly sourced content under the guise of 'improving NPOV.' The pattern I'm seeing here is that any of the subject's controversial statements are being buried or removed altogether under the claim of improving NPOV and it's beginning to suggest other motives. An accurate and complete will present all relevant facts, that it is what's called for under WP:NPOV. I'm going to have to keep a better eye on this article it appears. Odd nature (talk) 16:55, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, BRD is an essay, not a policy or guideline. Were it more widely accepted it would be policy, but it's not, so let's not pretend it is. BRD was also originally crafted by someone I consider a chronic troublemaker, so I'm not likely to find it persuasive. Odd nature (talk) 16:58, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * As requested in my earlier note, can you please explain your revert by addressing the various points brought up above? Also, can you improve the article by editting it to incorporate the various opinions, instead of hacking out an entire change with a revert?  I felt, Aaronspook was very specific in his description of what he felt was not sourced.  Odd nature has not really described the sourcing for the text he/she restored.  Additionally the term "by some in the press" is an example of weasel words; the phrasing was better before.  Much of the content Odd nature reverted had not been removed, but, rather, had been moved from the intro to the agenda section.  Moving the details of a group's agenda a section labelled "Agenda" should not be considered burying the content; the intro should give a broad description, not bullet point each and every initiative these people take.  Lastly, I agree with the earlier discussion: putting quotes around the word "liberal" is unencyclopedic.  --Bertrc (talk) 21:59, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Aargh! I must have hit "Preview" instead of "Save"  I had written quite a bit before making my change.  I will try to recreate it --Bertrc (talk) 23:32, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

. . . Okay, since there has been no further discussion or explanation, I am re-implementing the text. Please give detail about issues you have with it -- preferably beyond simply saying "Sourced" since most of the changes do not dealing with cites and sourcing (ie. the issues raised also deal with making the language encyclopedic, improving the format and placement of information, removing weasel words, etc.) If you haven't bothered reading the earlier topics, I will try to summarize:

1) Is there a source for "Media saturation"? Instead, we have described their tactics, and are letting the reader decide.

2) Why are we trying to list out every one of their positions in the intro? Instead, we are giving a summary in the intro and going into detail in the "Agenda" Section.

3) Why do we have quotes around the word "Liberal"? This is unencyclopedic.  Instead, we are removing the quotes.

4) Why are we highlighting their support for Bush policies? What about all the other conservative politicians out there whom they support and their criticism of Bush's budget practices? Instead, we are leaving out the obvious.

5) "Democrat Governor" is incorrect wording. Instead, we are using "Democratic Governor".

6) The phrase "Described by some" uses weasel words. Instead, we are phrasing the sentence without weasel words.

7) Why are we reiterating that their agenda goes beyond supporting the troop? We not only already detail all their additional causes, but we already have explicitly said, earlier in the article, that their agenda goes beyond supporting the troops.  Instead, we are not being repetitive.

--Bertrc (talk) 23:25, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Recent Edits
Just reiterating the section above, as this is what I based my edits on:

1) Is there a source for "Media saturation"? Instead, let's describe their tactics, and let the reader decide.

2) Why are we trying to list out every one of their positions in the intro? As it stands, we list many agenda items in the intro, and then more in the agenda section.  Instead, let's give a general summary in the intro and go into detail in the "Agenda" Section.

3) Why do we have quotes around the word "Liberal"? This is unencyclopedic.  Let's remove the quotes.

4) Why are we highlighting their support for Bush policies? What about all the other conservative politicians out there whom they support and their criticism of Bush's budget practices? Let's leave out the dated obvious info.

5) The phrase "Described by some" uses weasel words. Instead, let's phrase the sentence without weasel words.

6) Why are we reiterating that their agenda goes beyond supporting the troop? We already have explicitly said, earlier in that section that their agenda goes beyond supporting the troops, and we are explicitly listing all their propoganda that has noting to do with the troops.  Let's not be repetitive.

7) Punctuation goes inside quotation marks when it is at the end of a quote. Let's use punctuation properly.

--Bertrc (talk) 03:33, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Why is this page being changed back to lies? whoever is making the changes is doing a disservice to Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.60.164.18 (talk) 18:01, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Changes to page
We should be using good cites, non bias, based on facts descriptions. One editor pointed out bad cite and it was replaced with good one. That should be the way to operate not just change it all, the page should be about this non profit so people know what they are about. Lets stick to the facts and try to use real cites. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.60.164.18 (talk) 20:25, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Is this a charity that sends packages, or a lobbying/astroturf group? It's like the article is about two different groups; or one group using the charity as a front for their politicking. -- Orange Mike |  Talk  03:22, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

This is charity that send care packages. I dont know who put in all the political stuff but it doesn't have anything to do with care packages for the troops and shouldnt be in there I don't think.

I just tried to put in refs that did not come from the non profit or Debbie Lee http://www.c-spanvideo.org/debbielee, but you blocked me from doing so. This article is supposed to be about Move America Forward not somebodies politics. Do you realize you are putting in refs and links that have nothing to do with the non profit?

I put in links to Debbie and the non profit themselves saying she was the spokeswoman, you said it was a poor or not good ref, then you put in one from broken links and pages that don't say anything about the Non profit. You just delete it, I have seen Debbie Lee on CNN and heard her on the Move America Forward Radio commerical during the holidays

This non proifit is register non partisan, and I have called them, to make sure Debbie was the spokeswoman, how is it that wikipedia can be blocked from peopell putting in accurate facts abotu a page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.60.164.18 (talk) 03:44, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

I just wrote the above comments03:45, 11 January 2014 (UTC)66.60.164.18 (talk)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 January 2014
==Spokesperson== Debbie Lee, a Gold Star Mother, is the spokesperson Her son, Marc Alan Lee, was the first Navy Seal to lose his life in Operation Iraqi Freedom. Marc, 28, was killed August 2, 2006 in a fierce firefight while on patrol against insurgents in Ramadi. Debbie has toured the nation, speaking at pro-troop rallies, and helping to organize shipments of care packages

66.60.164.18 (talk) 03:25, 11 January 2014 (UTC) This is sites of debbie as spokeswoman that logged in people have been deleting, i dont get this, you can cite the spokeswoman, you can sidte the nonprofit it doesnt make sense it like this one user wants to prevent an accurate description of the non profit.
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please make your request in a "change X to Y" format. Technical 13 (talk) 16:29, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 August 2014
Saying an organization is supporting "right wing" efforts based on the hearsay of two blogs is not defensible in court and has no place here; stick to the real facts. You need to keep your Liberal bias tucked away. Thanks!

Rexpac (talk) 04:19, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The existing text appears to be supported by reliable sources. -- ferret (talk) 19:37, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

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 * AutoWikiBrowser (.NET)
 * Corhomo (Java)
 * Dab solver (External tool); deprecated, no longer works, see Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation pages with links/Archive 15
 * Navigation popups (User script)
 * Solve disambiguation.py (Python)
 * WPCleaner (Java)
 * DisamAssist (User script)

Create or move a disambiguation page
There are many instances where a new disambiguation page is needed.

Use "Foo" rather than "Foo (disambiguation)" as the disambiguation page name unless there is a primary topic. If "Foo" is a redirect to "Foo (disambiguation)", the disambiguation page is malplaced, and should be moved from "Foo (disambiguation)" to "Foo". In some cases, you may be able to use the move tool immediately. If the move requires technical assistance, you can report it at WikiProject Disambiguation/Malplaced disambiguation pages or list it at Requested moves/Technical requests.

Add missing entries to a disambiguation page
There are still many disambiguation pages that do not yet contain all entries they are supposed to. To help with that, go to the |Dabfix reports list and select "Missing entries". This will take you to the report where you can choose a dab page to expand. When you click on it, you will be presented with the Dabfix interface where that page is preloaded with the missing entries added and further changes suggested. Review the missing entry and the linked article to ensure they are suitable for inclusion (you can Ctrl (PC) or Command (Mac) on a blue link to be taken to the corresponding article) and then copyedit the automatically generated descriptions before saving. You can also work manually using the information found in the report.

Please note these reports haven't been updated since April 2019.

Find additional ambiguous terms for 2-DAB pages
Pick a page from, and see if you can find (or create) other articles in the wiki that can be added to turn a 2-DAB into a 3-or-more DAB.

If you come across a page with only 2 ambiguous terms, one of which is the primary topic, you can tag the top with One other topic, which will notify users that the page needs additional disambiguation terms, and will place the page in 2-DAB category listed above.

Clean up a disambiguation page
Pick a page from Category:Disambiguation pages in need of cleanup. Check the recent edit summaries in the history and the talk page for comments earlier editors may have left. When you finish cleaning up a page, please change its disambiguation cleanup to disambiguation (or change hndis-cleanup to hndis).

If you see that a disambiguation page needs to be cleaned up, but you cannot or do not want to do it yourself, you can tag the page for cleanup by changing the disambiguation template to disambiguation cleanup (or changing hndis to hndis-cleanup). These -cleanup templates add the page to Category:Disambiguation pages in need of cleanup and change the descriptive text on the page. You can describe specific problems on the talk page of the disambiguation page to help other editors see what needs to be done.

You can also use dabfix (see above) to help you cleanup a dab page.

Repair incoming links
Most links from articles to disambiguation pages are in error and need to be repaired. They can be repaired by choosing an article and repairing all its links to disambiguation pages, or by choosing a disambiguation page and repairing all incoming links to it from articles.

To choose an article, type its page name into the dablinks tool (see below). For help, see WikiProject Disambiguation/Fixing a page.

To choose a disambiguation page, see the "Finding disambiguation pages" section below. There is a Wikipedia Project devoted to this: Disambiguation pages with links.

Do not guess how to fix the link; if you have trouble, tag the link with disambiguation needed.

If you want a challenge, try to repair difficult links, those tagged with disambiguation needed. Articles with such tagged links can be found in Category:Articles with links needing disambiguation, and tips on repairing them are given in WikiProject Disambiguation/Fixing links.

You may also consider "adopting" a disambiguation page.

When you fix or tag a link, leave an edit summary pointing to this project. Suggested edit summary:
 * Repaired link to disambiguation page: please help

Repair redirects

 * Malplaced disambiguation pages

Merge incomplete disambiguations
Incomplete disambiguation pages are disambiguation pages that also have a disambiguated title (a title with a parenthetical phrase appended). These disambiguated titles are supposed to be unambiguous; if they are still ambiguous, the incomplete disambiguation should normally redirect to the disambiguation page or a section of it.
 * WikiProject Disambiguation/Incomplete disambiguations

Resources
When using Dabfix to tag pages, please note that there are common-sense exceptions to every rule, and a disambiguation page which violates one or more of the following guidelines (such as multiple blue links in an entry, or piped links) might not require cleanup; please use your best judgment when tagging.

Finding disambiguation pages

 * Linkclassifier, a script highlighting links based on type of target, including disambiguation pages
 * Special:DisambiguationPages lists up to 10,000 disambiguation pages
 * Category:Wikipedia disambiguation contains all the pages that are in the scope of this WikiProject
 * Disambiguation pages with links lists pages that relate to the goal of eliminating links to disambiguation pages
 * Disambiguation pages with links/The Daily Disambig lists pages that are known to have had incoming links repeatedly in the past and require monitoring
 * Current disambiguation collaboration at the Dab-pages-with-links page
 * Offline reports/Is this really a disambiguation page?, pages labeled as dabs that have only one article referenced on them (inactive page)
 * Category:Disambiguation pages in need of cleanup, dabs that have been tagged for needed attention
 * Category:Disambiguation pages containing one non-primary topic, dabs that need more ambiguous terms to be added
 * Candidates for disambiguation by extending link
 * Possible hatnote disambiguation links
 * Potentially intentional dablinks

Project watchlist

 * [ Project watchlist]

Templates
Disambiguation templates are listed under the "general" category of template messages. Most of these templates do not have usage guidelines associated with them on their Talk pages, however, some direction is provided for hatnotes at Hatnote and Disambiguation.
 * "*" = no usage guidelines

On disambiguation pages:
 * Disambiguation
 * Disambiguation cleanup
 * Human name disambiguation – articles associated with the same personal name
 * Human name disambiguation cleanup
 * Topic-specific templates – these bring the disambiguation page to the attention of editors knowledgeable in the topic (through category includes or WikiProjects) and often include topic specific language
 * Airport disambiguation – airports with the same or similar names
 * Hospital disambiguation
 * Mathematical disambiguation
 * Number disambiguation* – lists articles associated with the same number
 * Place name disambiguation – distinct geographical locations with the same name
 * School disambiguation
 * Incoming links – when many mainspace pages (articles) link to a disambiguation page, for example, as the result of a page move

On talk pages:
 * WikiProject Disambiguation – Project banner for talk pages with discussion. Please do not use to create talk pages that have no discussion.

On set index articles. Note that set index articles are similar to, but are not the same thing as, disambiguation pages:

 * Set index article* – The generic set index template.
 * Lake index – For lists of lakes with similar names.
 * Locomotive index – For lists of locomotives, or classes of locomotives, with similar names.
 * Mountain index – For set index articles about mountain names.
 * Road index – For set index articles about roads.
 * Ship index – For lists of ships with the same or similar names.
 * Sport index – For lists of sports related articles with similar names.

Link formatting (See WikiProject Disambiguation/Title templates):
 * fti – put subject title, but not parenthetical disambiguating term, in italics
 * ftq – put subject title, but not parenthetical disambiguating term, in quotes

On anthroponymy list articles. See WikiProject Anthroponymy for specific guidelines. These are also not disambiguation pages, although short lists may be embedded on disambiguation pages.
 * Given name – For given name pages or sections of disambiguation pages that list people by given names.
 * Surname – For pages or sections of disambiguation pages that list people by family name.

Optional Wiktionary template, for use on disambiguation pages:
 * Wiktionary*

Look from and In title, for use on disambiguation pages where the term is used to form compound terms:
 * Look from All pages with titles beginning with term
 * In title All pages with titles containing term

Hatnotes, for use on articles where reference to a disambiguation page is useful

 * About*
 * For*
 * Hatnote*
 * Other people
 * Other places*
 * Other uses
 * Redirect*
 * Redirect-distinguish
 * Similar names

Redirects, for use on redirects that point to a disambiguation page
 * R from ambiguous term
 * R from incomplete disambiguation
 * R to disambiguation page

Inline, for use within article text where a link needs correcting, but it is unclear where it should link
 * dn or Disambiguation needed

User talk, for alerting editors to the dab guidelines
 * {{subst:uw-dab}}

Userbox, for your own userpage
 * User WP Disambiguation

Barnstar, for awarding editors active in disambiguation
 * {{subst:Disambiguator's Barnstar}}

Subpages

 * List of

Page views

 * WikiProject Disambiguation/Popular pages, a monthly listing of the project's most viewed mainspace pages
 * User:PrimeHunter/Pageviews.js, see page views for all wikilinks on a disambiguation page, e.g. Massviews on Wiki (disambiguation)
 * WikiNav, a tool that can visualise the outgoing traffic from dab pages; the underlying data is from the Clickstream

Deletion discussions
See WikiProject Deletion sorting/Disambiguations

Participants

Please insert your details here (in alphabetical order please). Use User WP Disambiguation on your user page if you wish to post your pride in joining this esteemed WikiProject.

 * 16@r
 * 1857a
 * 786b6364
 * 8UB3RG1N3, who has created 4 disambiguation pages already!
 * A Lambent Eye is new to Wikipedia and eager to help. * AchedDamiman
 * A smart kitten
 * Adjusting
 * After Midnight
 * Againme. I do political parties from all over the world, an some other things. Just did Magonia
 * AK456. Stumbled upon the WP:DPL list and kind of hung on to it.
 * AKeen
 * All Is One
 * Andareed
 * AnemoneProjectors I love creating and cleaning up disambiguation pages
 * AnnaKucsma I add banners to talk pages when I find talk pages that need them.
 * Anthony Ivanoff
 * Aqwis
 * Arbitarily0
 * Arbor to SJ
 * ArcAngel
 * Arthena
 * Artichoke-Boy
 * Auntof6
 * User:AugustusAudax likes to add to hatnotes and create disambiguation pages.
 * Avg W
 * Azylber - creating dab pages whenever necessary
 * bd2412
 * BeenAroundAWhile
 * Beerest355 - I create lots of dabs and stuff.
 * Beginning is formally committing to her sick addiction. :)
 * Benzband will fix messy dabs when he stumbles upon them ;)
 * billinghurst
 * older≠wiser Not sure how much I'll actively participate in project tasks, but I have an interest in dab pages.
 * Bneu2013 - Created several disambiguation pages.
 * Boleyn
 * Brainulator9
 * BryanG
 * Brz7 (one of my favourite activities on Wikipedia!)
 * BurtAlert
 * Burzmali - Working on human name dab pages, over 2 weeks and I am still fixing Johns
 * CALR
 * Canglesea - Chipping away at the Disambiguation pages with links list
 * CAPTAIN RAJU
 * Carbon Caryatid. I have been tidying up dab pages for a long time and have just discovered this project.
 * Cate
 * CatherineMunro
 * CatMan 149
 * Certes
 * Chaser
 * Checkingfax, I like crafting DABs and cetegorizing them properly
 * Chris the speller - I move lots of namecruft from dab pages to surname and given name articles
 * Cindamuse
 * CJewell
 * Clariosophic I have been working on dab pages relating to NRHP listings, churches, etc.
 * Clarityfiend
 * Coastside Worked on Category:Orientation dab pages
 * Commander Keane
 * CoolCityCat - Guilty for disambiguating myself.
 * CoolieCoolster
 * Correogsk or Gustavo
 * CPAScott
 * CQ
 * CSWarren I do a lot of link-disambiguating already, so I guess I should sign up here.
 * Cúchullain I work on disambiguation pages a lot, so I guess it's time to join up.
 * DaGizza
 * Dan Leveille
 * Davey 2010 •  (talk)  - Joined 12 July 2014.
 * Deep Gabriel
 * Deizio - just love it....
 * DENAMAX
 * Dig deeper
 * Diptanshu.D
 * DirkJandeGeer
 * Dispenser
 * Docu
 * Doncram
 * Dorkules
 * DPdH - I've been working with disamb.pages without knowing of this project! Now formally joining it.
 * Dpleibovitz - adding DAB entries and possibly converting DABs to broad-concept articles.
 * DrWarpMind
 * Ds2320
 * Dumelow
 * Echuck215
 * EdGl (disambiguation link repair)
 * Elonka (my second home is at Category:Disambiguation pages in need of cleanup)
 * EMachine I think that fixing pages that link to disambiguation pages sounds fun.
 * Emperor - as I'm doing a lot of disambiguating anyway I might as well sign up
 *  Encephalon
 * Enchanter
 * Esprit15d
 * Est. 2021 (talk · contribs)
 * Euryalus
 *  EW i kist Talk
 * EWS23 - I've been involved in WP:DPL since September 2005; not sure why I didn't put my name on this list sooner.
 * Ezhiki
 * FF2010
 * fififolle
 * Fiftytwo Thirty
 * Finnusertop – I do this a lot using the Linkclassifier script.
 * Floquenbeam This looks like something I could help with when I have a free minute here or there.
 * Flooded  with them hundreds
 * "Flux55" - I like improving Wikipedia (o - o)
 * Felix Folio Secundus, interested in the topic but busy with other projects
 * FortDJ33
 * France3470
 * Francois-Pier
 * Funandtrvl
 * Fyrael
 * Gaff
 * Gamesmaster G-9
 * Geniac
 * Geofferybard This project is quite important as people often meld unrelated topics into one article. Sometimes a daughter class usurps, also.
 * Geographyinitative Geography
 * George Ho
 * GimliDotNet throwing my hat in the ring.
 * Godsy
 * Goldom Dunno why I hadn't found this project sooner, I do tons of this
 * Golem08
 * Gongshow
 * Goochelaar
 * Gorthian
 * GraemeMcRae
 * grubber
 * gupdoo3 3oodpug  - came here to fix links, might branch out
 * Hackerboyas
 * Hairy Dude - Fixing disambig notices to use templates seems to be one of the things I do most. I've also created a couple of disambig pages.
 * Helloheart - Disambiguation pages are an important category in Wikipedia, and we need to improve them.
 * Henrygg98
 * HindWIKI - fixing disambiguation links using DisamAsist.
 * HopeChrist - My interests are in the religion and spirituality related disamb. pages
 * HTinC23
 * Hutcher, I just like clean DABs
 * Ian Manka
 * I dream of horses
 * Ixfd64
 * J04n
 * Jakas1
 * Jay Starz
 * Jameboy
 * Jamesmcmahon0 - I use AWB help where I can!
 * Jeff - with the aid of CorHomo and Navigation popups
 *  J e n o v a  20 - Recommended by JhunterJ
 * Jerzy - When MoSDab was sent for consensus, I (briefly) thought it was a mistake, so I guess it's appropriate for this to finally be my first WikiProject.
 * Jevansen
 * Jiten Dhandha
 *  —jmcgnh  (talk) (contribs)  joined 2016-06-18
 * Joeyfjj Just getting started...
 * JohnLaurensAnthonyRamos333
 * Johnny Au
 * johnSLADE
 * Jokestress
 * Josh Parris
 * Josve05a
 * Joy
 * Jsmith1000
 * Jw21 - Helping to make the Wikipedia Experience faster and more enjoyable.
 * Karenjc joined 12 July 2008.
 * Kawa (talk) 22:55, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Kenb215 - October 10, 2006
 * Kingjamie - January 5, 2007 (help out with mainly sporting Disambiguation's)
 * KingSkyLord - for convenience
 * Konveyor Belt
 * Kpalion — I occasionally create or cleanup disamb. pages so I thought I'd add my name here.
 * Krishna Chaitanya Velaga
 * Kusma
 * La Ovo
 * LAX
 * Legotech Hoping I can help out some
 * Lemnaminor
 * Lenoxus
 * Leschnei
 * Ł ittle Ä lien¹8²
 * LittleWink
 * Llew Mawr — the cleanup, organisation and creation of dab pages and hatnotes
 * Logan
 * Loopy30
 * love krittaya
 * Lymoz
 * Mac Davis
 * Magioladitis
 * Mahanga
 * Maias
 * Malpass93
 * Mark Schierbecker - Making obsure landmarks easier to find since 2009.
 * Mareino -- I do enough of this anyway, that I might as well stay informed about the latest guidelines
 * Mark Miller
 * Matchups I started fixing pages as I run into them, after being corrected on "prettifying" a dab page. I also created mosdab.
 * mathmitch7
 * Matthew Yeager
 * Md. Golam Mukit Khan
 * me_and
 * Meclee
 * MECU
 * Mdebets
 * Merenta
 * Mervyn
 * Micheledisaveriosp
 * Michfan2123 This is addicting, I don't know why
 * Millichip
 * MrLinkinPark333
 * Milton Stanley - This is fun.
 * Mo ainm
 * Mr. Yondris Ferguson (talk) 13:26, 24 June 2014 (UTC) - Will clean disambiguation wherever possible.
 * Michael Z.
 * Nahallac Silverwinds
 * NapoliRoma I've been fixing pages as I see them for a while now; not sure what it means to add myself to the list, but count me in
 * Narky Blert 24 February 2016
 * Natalya
 * Natg 19
 * Nehrams2020
 * NeilHynes
 * Nekura
 * Neonumbers
 * Nguyên Lê
 * Nick Number
 * Nihonjoe
 * NijikasDorito
 * Nikki311
 * Norwaystudent
 * Ntsimp I've been repairing links for a few weeks; just found this page.
 * OrdinaryGiraffe
 *  Paine  – yooba dooba DAB!
 * Paintspot
 * PamD
 * Pariah24
 * Parsecboy I pretty much just stick to WP:MDP, probably not so much in any of the rest of the project.
 * Pb30
 * Perry Middlemiss
 * Persent101 – focused on adding songs to respective dabs
 * Petebutt
 * Pharaoh of the Wizards
 * Phorestry - Will work mostly on changing disambiguation links to more specific links. I would also like to yield the official dab-cleaning broom
 * Pjposullivan
 * Project Termina -- 2023-01-13 -- interested in reducing links to dab pages
 * ponyo
 * Poydoo
 * Purplebackpack89
 * Qb42
 * User:QEDK
 * Quarl
 * QueenCake - Yeah sounds like something I can do.
 * Quentin X
 * Quiddity
 * ReelAngelGirl - Mostly working on stuff like clearing this and whatever else I find.
 * Reinyday
 * rellmerr - Mostly working with WP:DPL, after fixing some of these types of links on my own since first joining WP.
 * User:KorinoChikara
 * Renesis - I've been fixing disambig pages on my own a little, so I'd like to join the project.
 * renzoy16 - Will try to help on this WikiProject.
 * Rhindle The Red I'm in.
 * Rickyurs
 * RideABicycle I didn't even know this was part of a group, but I've been "clarifying" (the term I have applied to the process of directing links to proper pages, not disambiguation pages) for a while (I recently cleared out Special:Whatlinkshere/Lake_Placid). I look forward to continuing my "clarification crusade" but as a member of WikiProject Disambiguation.
 * Rjd0060
 * rkmlai
 * Robocoder - count me in...
 * RoySmith
 * RSStockdale - been doing it for some time; just saw that there is a WP
 * R'n'B
 * Richard Michael William – fix disambiguation links
 * Sahaib3005 joined 3rd October 2020
 * Samee
 * SamWilson989 - mostly fixing links that shouldn't go to disambiguation pages.
 * Missvain
 *  SCH ZMO  ✍
 * Sean Stephens – Frequently create disambiguation pages, mostly for primary topics in lengthy hatnotes have been used in place of one.
 * Scott Davis I've been doing this for about 4 months.
 * sgeureka I mainly go for dab pages marked for cleanup
 * Shadow of the Starlit Sky
 * Shelf Skewed
 * Sheridan
 * Shhhnotsoloud
 * SHISHIR DUA
 * Shruti14
 * Silence
 * Sir Joseph
 * SlackerMom
 * Smack
 *  Mario Jump  83!
 * SmileBlueJay97
 * Sarmad
 * Speednat
 * Spiderpig662
 * Squids and Chips
 * Srice13
 * Steel1943
 * Steve Strummer – I prize clarity and concision.
 * Stijn Vermeeren
 * Sumsum2010 - I mainly fix periods that aren't supposed to be there
 * Superk1a - I am addicted to fixing links to disambig pages. :D
 * Suriel1981 - I like to contribute in a variety of ways and this is one of them.
 * Swpb
 * TAnthony - I'm in the process of using AWB to add the Project banner to all disambig talk pages which don't currently have them; 1000 down, 13,000 to go ;)
 * TARDIS builder ✉
 * Tatrgel
 * Tbone762
 * Tedernst
 * Tesscass
 * Thaurisil
 * The Banner
 * The Banner Turbo
 * The Chronic
 * The Duke of Waltham – I have long enjoyed improving disambiguation pages, so I thought I'd make my involvement official.
 * The Eternals
 * The Interior
 * The Rambling Man I started a while ago, but have rediscovered the joys of the task
 * The1337gamer
 * Theheadhunter
 * TimBentley
 * Tintin Sequel
 * TKD I often try to clean up badly formatted disambiguation pages when I see them.
 * Tkynerd
 * Toddlertoddy
 * TonyTheTiger
 * Tolly4bolly
 * Toshio Yamaguchi
 * TRBP
 * Trevor MacInnis
 * UnitedStatesian
 * Utopes
 * Uvysdi
 * Vicarious, I fancy myself a bit of an expert on disambig pages, but I'm exquisitely egotistical so I'm really not to be trusted on that.
 * Vmavanti
 * Vogel
 * WaddlesJP13
 * Wahoofive
 * Warhorus
 * Weblogan
 * Wpollard - I have inserted article names into disambiguation pages when I have found they did not appear there.
 * Wil540_art
 * Xnuala
 * Yamara – Mostly in conjunction with disambig pages related to the Time or Biography Projects
 * Skarmory  (talk)  - First WikiProject, I hope I'm doing this right.
 * Zach425
 * Zeke
 * Zzyxzaa26

Related WikiProjects

 * WikiProject Anthroponymy, for pages related to the names of people
 * Wikidata:Disambiguation pages task force
 * [ Recent changes of disambiguation pages]

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George Cœdès

George Cœdès (10 August 1886 – 2 October 1969) was a French scholar of southeast Asian archaeology and history.

Biography
Cœdès was born in Paris to a family of supposed Hungarian-Jewish émigrés. In fact, the family was known as having settled in the region of Strasbourg before 1740. His ancestors worked for the royal Treasury. His grandfather, Louis Eugène Cœdès was a painter, pupil of Léon Coignet. His father Hippolyte worked as a banker.

Cœdès became director of the National Library of Thailand in 1918, and in 1929 became director of L'École française d'Extrême-Orient, where he remained until 1946. Thereafter he lived in Paris until he died in 1969.

In 1935 he married Neang Yao.

He was also an editor of the Journal of the Siam Society during the 1920s.

He wrote two texts in the field, The Indianized States of Southeast Asia (1968, 1975) (first published in 1948 as Les états hindouisés d'Indochine et d'Indonésie) and The Making of South East Asia (1966), as well as innumerable articles, in which he developed the concept of the Indianized kingdom. Perhaps his greatest lasting scholarly accomplishment was his work on Sanskrit and Old Khmer inscriptions from Cambodia. In addition to scores of articles (especially in the Bulletin of the École française d'Extrême-Orient), his 8-volume work Inscriptions du Cambodge (1937-1966) contains editions and translations of over a thousand inscriptions from pre-Angkorian and Angkor-era monuments, and stands as Cœdès' magnum opus. One stele, the recently rediscovered K-127, contains an inscription of what has been dubbed the "Khmer Zero", the first known use of zero in the modern number system. The transliteration system that he devised for Thai (and Khmer) is used by specialists of Thai and other writing systems derived from that of Khmer.

George Cœdès is credited with rediscovering the former kingdom of Srivijaya, centred on the modern-day Indonesian city of Palembang, but with influence extending from Sumatra through to the Malay Peninsula and Java.

However, due to focusing on the history of lower Southeast Asia, Cœdès was criticized by another historian Tatsuo Hoshino as having underestimated the importance of northern Indochina, Yunnan, and the central Mekong Valley.

Decorations
Cœdès received the following decorations:
 * 1919 – [[Image:Order of the White Elephant - 3rd Class (Thailand) ribbon.svg|80px]] Commander (Third Class) of the Most Exalted Order of the White Elephant, a royal decoration in the Honours System of Thailand
 * 1926 – Legion Honneur Chevalier ribbon.svg Légion d'honneur (France).

Works

 * Textes d'auteurs grecs et latins relatifs à l'Extrême-Orient depuis le IV$e$ siècle av. J.-C. jusqu'au XIV$e$ siècle, 1910
 * Études cambodgiennes, 1911–1956
 * Le Royaume de Çrīvijaya, 1918
 * "Some Problems in the Ancient History of the Hinduized States of South-East Asia", Journal of Southeast Asian History, Vol.5, No.2, pp. 1–14
 * "À propos de l'origine des chiffres arabes", Bulletin of the School of Oriental Studies, University of London, Vol.6, No.2, pp. 323–328
 * "La Stèle de Ta-Prohm", Bulletin de l'École française d'Extrême-Orient (BEFEO), Hanoi, VI, 1906, pp. 44–81
 * "The Origins of the Sukhodaya Dynasty", Journal of the Siam Society, Vol. 14.1, 1921
 * Listes generales des inscriptions et des monuments du Champa et du Cambodge, Hanoi, Imprimerie d'Extrême-Orient, 1923
 * The Vajiranana National Library of Siam, Bangkok, Council of the National Library, 1924
 * Documents sur l'histoire politique et religieuse du Laos occidental, 1925
 * "Une exposition de sculptures Khmères et Siamoises au Musée Cernuschi", Artibus Asiae, Vol.1, No.3 (1926), pp. 190–202
 * "À propos de la chute du royaume de Çrīvijaya". Bijdragen tot de Taal-, Land- en Volkenkunde van Nederlandsch-Indië, Deel 83, 2de/3de Afl. (1927), pp. 459–472
 * "The excavations at Pong Tuk and their importance for the ancient history of Siam", Journal of the Siam Society, Vol.21, part 3, Mar. 1928, pp. 195–209
 * "Études cambodgiennes: XXXI. Nouvelles notes sur tcheou ta-kouan", Bulletin de l'École française d'Extrême-Orient (BEFEO), II, pp. 148–151
 * "Les inscriptions malaises de Çrīvijaya". Bulletin de l'École Française d'Extrême-Orient, 30 (1930), pp. 29–80.
 * "Pa-sseu-wei", T'oung Pao, Second Series, Vol. 30, No. 3/5 (1933), pp. 224–230
 * Un grand roi du Cambodge: Jayavarman VII, Phnom Penh, Editions de la Bibliothèque Royale, 1935
 * "L'origine du cycle des douze animaux au Cambodge", T'oung Pao, Second Series, Vol.31, Livr.3/5 (1935), pp. 315–329
 * Inscriptions du Cambodge, Hanoi, Imp. d'Extreme-Orient, 1937–1966
 * Pour mieux comprendre Angkor, 1943
 * Les stèles de Sdok Kok Thom, Phnom Sandak et Prah Vihar, 1943–1946
 * Histoire ancienne des États hindouisés d'Extrême-Orient, Hanoi, Imprimerie d'Extrême-Orient, 1944
 * "Fouilles en Cochinchine: Le Site de Go Oc Eo, Ancien Port du Royaume de Fou-nan", Artibus Asiae, Vol.10, No.3 (1947), pp. 193–199
 * Les états hindouisés d'Indochine et d'Indonésie, 1948
 * "Un yantra recemment decouvert a Angkor", Journal asiatique, Année 1952, p. [465]–477.
 * "Une Roue de la Loi avec inscription en Pāli provenant du Site de P'ră Păthŏm", Artibus Asiae, Vol.19, No.3/4 (1956), pp. 221–226
 * "The Traibhūmikathā Buddhist Cosmology and Treaty on Ethics", East and West, Vol.7, No.4 (January 1957), pp. 349–352
 * "Note sur une stele indienne d'epoque Pāla decouverte a Ayudhyā (Siam)", Artibus Asiae, Vol.22, No.1/2 (1959), pp. 9–14
 * "Les Môns de Dvāravatī", Artibus Asiae. Supplementum, Vol.23, pp. 112–116
 * Les Peuples de la péninsule indochinoise, 1962
 * Decouverte numismatique au Siam interessant le royaume de Dvaravati, Paris, Librairie C. Klincksieck, 1964.
 * L'avenir des etudes khmeres, Saigon, Imprimerie nouvelle d'Extrême-Orient, 1965
 * Angkor: an Introduction translated and edited by Emily Floyd Gardiner, photographs by George Bliss, Hong Kong, Oxford University Press, 1966
 * The making of South East Asia, translated by H. M. Wright, London, Routledge & Kegan Paul, 1966
 * Catalogue des manuscrits en pali, laotien et siamois provenant de la Thailande, Copenhague, Bibliothèque Royale, 1966
 * The Indianized States of Southeast Asia, edited by Walter F. Vella, translated by Susan Brown Cowing, Canberra, Australian National University Press, 1968
 * —and Charles Archaimbault, Les trois mondes = Traibhumi Brah R'van Paris, École française d'Extrême-Orient 1973
 * Sriwijaya: history, religion & language of an early Malay polity. Collected studies by George Cœdès and Louis-Charles Damais, Kuala Lumpur, MBRAS, 1992
 * Finding Zero: A Mathematician's Odyssey to Uncover the Origins of Numbers, New York, Palgrave Macmillan, Aczel, Amir D., 2015

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Pre-determined overhead rate

A pre-determined overhead rate is the rate used to apply manufacturing overhead to work-in-process inventory. The pre-determined overhead rate is calculated before the period begins. The first step is to estimate the amount of the activity base that will be required to support operations in the upcoming period. The second step is to estimate the total manufacturing cost at that level of activity. The third step is to compute the predetermined overhead rate by dividing the estimated total manufacturing overhead costs by the estimated total amount of cost driver or activity base. Common activity bases used in the calculation include direct labor costs, direct labor hours, or machine hours.

This is related to an activity rate which is a similar calculation used in Activity-based costing. A pre-determined overhead rate is normally the term when using a single, plant-wide base to calculate and apply overhead. Overhead is then applied by multiplying the pre-determined overhead rate by the actual driver units. Any difference between applied overhead and the amount of overhead actually incurred is called over- or under-applied overhead.

The Need for a Pre-determined Rate
Instead of using a pre-determined rate based on estimates, why not base the overhead rate on the actual total manufacturing overhead cost and the actual total amount of the activity base incurred on a monthly, quarterly, or annual basis? If an actual rate is computed monthly or quarterly, seasonal factors in overhead costs or in the activity base can produce fluctuations in the overhead rate. For example, the costs of heating and cooling a factory in Illinois will be highest in the winter and summer months and lowest in the spring and fall. If the overhead rate is recomputed at the end of each month or each quarter based on actual costs and activity, the overhead rate would go up in the winter and summer and down in the spring and fall. As a result, two identical jobs, one completed in the winter and one completed in the spring, would be assigned different manufacturing overhead costs. Many managers believe that such fluctuations in product costs serve no useful purpose. To avoid such fluctuations, actual overhead rates could be computed on an annual or less-frequent basis. However, if the overhead rate is computed annually based on the actual costs and activity for the year, the manufacturing overhead assigned to any particular job would not be known until the end of the year. For example, the cost of Job 2B47 at Yost Precision Machining would not be known until the end of the year, even though the job will be completed and shipped to the customer in March. For these reasons, most companies use predetermined overhead rates rather than actual overhead rates in their cost accounting systems.

The use of such a rate enables an enterprise to determine the approximate total cost of each job when completed. In recent years increased automation in manufacturing operations has resulted in a trend towards machine hours as the activity base in the calculation.

How to find the overhead rate
To find the overhead rate, first determine the right basis that will describe the best the behavior of the cost. Then, divide the total budgeted overhead by the basis to calculate the overhead rate:

Overhead Rate = (Total budgeted overhead / Basis)

What is the right basis to use to calculate the overhead rate
There are many ways that can be used to determine the right basis for a given order. These bases are:
 * Direct Labor Cost: this basis is used when manufacturing is labor-intensive.
 * Direct Labor Hours: it is used When workers are paid on the basis of their working hours.
 * Prime Cost: the prime cost is used when the factory produces only one kind of product.
 * Machine time: this basis is used when manufacturing is mostly automated.

How to calculate the Overhead budget using the rate
In order to find the overhead rate we will use the same basis that we have chosen by multiplying this basis by the calculated rate. For example, if we choose the labor hours to be the basis then we will multiply the rate by the direct labor hours in each task during the manufacturing process.

The share of the order of the overhead = Overhead Rate * Resources consumed

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White Oak, Oklahoma

White Oak is an unincorporated community and census-designated place (CDP) in Craig County, Oklahoma, United States, along State Highway 66, approximately one mile (1.6 km) west of that road's eastern terminus with U.S. Route 60. As of the 2010 census, the White Oak CDP had a population of 263. White Oak is the location of the Shawnee Tribe's annual Spring and Fall Bread Dances and Green Corn ceremonies.

History
The community had a post office from October 14, 1898 until October 31, 1957.

Education
It is in White Oak Public Schools. While the district has jurisdiction over grades K-12, since 2010 it sends high school students to Vinita Public Schools and only educates Pre-Kindergarten through grade 8 in-house.

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Sail Training
with the summer race series kicked off and going strong, thought it might be a good time to raise the awareness of why all these tall ships are still around and what they're doing when they're not at some dock being a simple tourist attraction with thousands of looky-loos asking if it's a real pirate ship. Seasee 02:59, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

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 * Reply Image:Alanvilliers2.jpg is tagged fair use while use of Image:Navclass.jpg and Image:Furling.jpg have been discussed and used with permission of the respective copyright owners. Image tagged fair use and images that retain copyright have been used in recent featured articles Image:Rudranath Capildeo.jpg, Image:Beatles-singles-heyjude-uk.jpg, Image:Pvxlstudio.jpg.  As for the article being more like a "guide/essay", i'm a little confused as i personally usually think of an encyclopedia as a type of guide filled with essays about many different subects and don't understand what exactly is being questioned. -Seasee 00:45, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * There are only two sections where the wording is questionable in my opinion: the introduction and Pros and cons of sail training. For instance, I have a problem with the following passages since they look opinionated (there are others as well):
 * Sail training is not intended to (be) a vacation. The sea has always been associated with some element of risk and if one were looking to stay warm and dry, they should be looking at cruise ships instead of sail training vessels.

 * From its modern interpretations to its antecedents when maritime nations would send young naval officer candidates to sea, sail training provides an unconventional and effective way of building many useful skills on and off the water. (Is the passage stating a fact or an opinion here? Try rewording this a bit).

 * The passage concerning cruise ships should also be reworded since it is obvious that sail training is a difficult endeavour. Once the wording problems are addressed, I will reconsider my vote. Pentawing 01:59, 25 July 2005 (UTC)


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Talk:Lunar Lander (video game genre)

Lander vs Lunar Lander
the new Lander (by Psygnosis, 1999) addition made the whole article pop up under the "1999 computer and video games" catagory. perhaps to fix this an additional "Lander" redirect article should be made, as the 1999 game is called "Lander" not "Lunar Lander".

I have created a new page for Lander and slightly edited the text here. I don't know what I'm doing with the categorisations so I haven't edited those, but it may need removing from this page now. JammyB 19:06, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
 * now fixed categorisations and added Lander (video game) link to "see also" section of article. Roidroid (talk) 09:29, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!
Brouhaha, thanks for the GT40 infobox (and picture)! I still wish I had one of those (systems). By the way, if you've ever seen the VT-55-based simulation of that game (that ran on RSTS/E, RSX-11, and OS/8), I'm the one who wrote that. It started as BASIC-PLUS but I migrated it to PAL-11 and PAL-8 machine language for improved speed of execution. On RSTS/E, it was actually a multi-user Run-time system.

Atlant 13:13, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Phil Budne and I developed VT11(GT4x)/VS60 support for the SIMH PDP-11 simulation, now hosted at GIThub. You have to disable the DZ and enable the VT device before running the Lunar Lander program.  RT-11 (through version 5.3) could add VT11/VS60 support during SYSGEN, after which it could use the display like a glass Teletype (.GT ON), and EDIT and TECO would show the text being edited on the display. — DAGwyn 71.121.204.138 (talk) 05:05, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

Game Boy Advance
Anyone know anything about the GBA version? I don't, but it's in the category and a quick search confirms its existence. --Mgreenbe 19:40, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Proposed split
A split has been proposed sind August 2006. Seems a good idea to me. Rl 09:14, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Against. The Atari game is clearly derived from the PDP-11 one (as indicated by the screenshots).  And it looks like all the variants are at least somewhat related.  For that reason and also simply because the subject matter is the same so any splitting would end up duplicating a bunch of description. Paul Koning 17:37, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

 * For. Unless you can find documentation that one came from the other, its pure speculation and WP:OR. --Marty Goldberg 06:11, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

LUNAR for CDC Cyber
There's also a Lunar Lander game for the CDC mainframes. It's roughly contemporary with the PDP-11 version, perhaps a bit older. It differs from the others discussed here because it shows a view from the cockpit -- out the window (you see sky or terrain) and at the instruments. This makes it substantially harder because you don't have the "big picture" view. Paul Koning 17:35, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Rename of article
Is this not a video game genre than a series? There is no shared sense of development team or vision or anything. Just a shared concept at the centre. I would recommend renaming to Lunar Lander clone or Lunar Lander (video game genre) or something like that.--Coin945 (talk) 03:50, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Hmm, "Lunar Lander (video game genre)" maybe. You're right that it's not really a series, so "genre" might be closer. Let me think about it for a bit, and then maybe move it/adjust the lead to match. -- Pres N  04:33, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Well technically it's a subset of the Flight simulator genre of games, specifically Space flight simulations. It could be called a Landing simulator?--Coin945 (talk) 13:33, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * At that point we're just making up our own name, though, isntead of using its actual name. -- Pres N  13:39, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok, renamed to "Lunar Lander (video game genre)". -- Pres N  15:25, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

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Split proposal
It seems odd to me that Lunar Lander and Moonlander don't have their own separate pages outside of a general genre page. It'd be like Colossal Cave Adventure and Zork only existing under a general "Adventure (video game genre)" page, or if the entries for Hamurabi or Pong were "genre" pages that listed all their respective clones.

I propose that Lunar Lander and Moonlander should be split out into their own pages, and then either the "genre" page is rewritten to be consistent with typical genre pages (a la Interactive fiction or Action-adventure game, or the clones are listed under a section within the respective Lunar Lander or Moonlander page. Xscapist (talk) 05:49, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * It's a bit of an odd page, though that's partially because it wasn't always (video game genre) but was (series) instead. The problem is that it's kind of a genre, but mostly just the same game being made over and over by different people on different platforms (first in text and then with graphics), but that's not really a "series" either. In any case, the problem with what you're proposing is a lack of sources- the arcade game has enough to be its own article, but Moonlander doesn't really. It was tried back in April 2021, actually, but it didn't make it beyond the two paragraphs that are already here, and that's not really enough content. In the end, most sources talk about "Lunar Landers" but not enough about any specific one to break it out of here. -- Pres N  16:11, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * If you'll humor me, I've taken the liberty of Sandboxing up an idea for a reorganization of the page as a dedicated "Lunar Lander (1969 video game)" page. (Note: Just pretend the first image is a screenshot of the 1969 game.) I think this is a little easier to grok, plus it gets rid of some repetition (a few paragraphs are repeated multiple times in the body of the current version). Also: I designed it so it could pretty easily be split out into two separate entries if anyone else agrees, since even split up, these two entries would still be longer and/or more substantial than existing entries for Lander games like Lunar Rescue, Jupiter Lander, and Psygnosis' Lander (video game). Xscapist (talk) 23:07, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * So, I think there's a few different problems with your mockup:
 * It starts off saying that it's about a game called Lunar Lander (aka ROCKET, LUNAR or APOLLO), but the actual original 1969 Lunar Landing Game on its own was a tiny game that has essentially no sourcing or details- it existed, it was made by Storer, it got converted to BASIC and put in CC and 101 BASIC Computer Games. You pulled out of context the text that's just about that version, but 1 of your three paragraphs isn't really about that game but about Ahl's stuff that actually covers 2 other versions as well except you dropped the mention of them. And then half the lead is just repeating those 3 paragraphs in 2 paragraphs. To try to make it the subject on it's own, you've ended up divorcing it from what makes it notable: that it spawned an entire subgenre of very similar games over the next decade, almost all small hobby/freeware projects with a constellation of tweaks and additions. So, saying that the article is about that 1969 game only to dance around the fact that there's a whole set of similar games that were often considered variations on a theme, with the most popular contemporary references (Ahl's book and the PCC book) containing multiple variations of the concept is... disingenuous.
 * And that's not to mention that the way you have it laid out, instead of "text games" and "graphical games" being subsections of the Lunar Lander concept as a whole, you instead have the text games as a subsection of the development of the original game, but then have Moonlander as a subsection of the original game and all the other graphical games as a subsection of Moonlander. You're ending up creating exactly the problem you were trying to solve: instead of an article about the "genre" or "concept" of a Lunar Lander game, which discusses the notable examples including the very first one in 1969 and the first graphical one in 1973, you now have an article purportedly about that 1969 game that spends about a quarter of its length talking about that game (and only gets there by using sources that are about the genre as a whole or the text-based subset as a whole as if they were just about the original game), and which then goes on to treat all the graphical versions of the game as a subset of Moonlander.
 * Like, I get that what you want is to spin out Moonlander and Lunar Lander into their own articles, and I think that would be cool! I'm all for it! But the way to do that is to find more sources that discuss those games specifically, not rework everything so that dozens of other games are considered to be subsets of those two progenitors so that you can then cut the article in half. Most of those developers didn't set out to make their own versions of ROCKET or Moonlander, nor was that how their games were perceived, now or then: they set out to make their own "Lunar Lander game".
 * Tl;dr: there aren't enough sources or content right now to split out either Moonlander or ROCKET into their own pages. The way to fix that is to find more sources and content so they can be pulled from here with a shorter summary left behind, not to force a perspective that dozens of other games were part of the development of those two. -- Pres N  20:09, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I think we have very different perceptions on why Storer's game is notable, and a few of the problems with my edit are problems carried over from the current article.
 * In terms of amount of detail and sources, I don't think my proposed reorganization isn't much different from the entry on Star Trek (1971 video game) other than that Star Trek has a much longer section describing the gameplay. I could add a little more to that for both Lunar Lander and Moonlander, and add a few more of the development details that can be found in the existing sources.
 * The problem with the repeating paragraphs was carried over from the current article, which even has a paragraphs repeated and reworded across sections. I was tempted to cut the lead way down in my reorganization, but thought maybe that should be a separate discussion?
 * To say that Storer's game is only notable because of the number of clones is like saying Pong or Adventure are only notable because of the number of clones. I don't think including tweaks of the original as a separate section is any more disingenuous that Super Star Trek having its own section in Star Trek (1971 video game) as a tweak, or Colossal Cave Adventure having a separate section for Wood's tweaks plus an additional section for tweaks by other authors. There's an established precedent for handling computer game articles this way. I think it's more disingenuous to say the text lunar landers *weren't* just tweaks of Storer's game, since it's very clear they were adding new features and building onto his existing game, not creating something new from scratch. Lunar landers as a genre are more like Pong clones as a genre, where other companies started adding new features that in some cases were more popular than the original.
 * Additionally, just as there's currently no article dedicated to the genre of Pong clones, I'd question whether text lunar landers qualify for their own separate genre article outside of the original. With a genre like text adventures, people eventually moved on from tweaking the original Colossal Cave Adventure to creating original works, which didn't happen with text lunar landers unless you count graphical lunar landers, and I would argue those are as much a different genre as action-adventures are from text adventures. Graphical lunar lander clones were typically clones of Atari's Lunar Lander much more than Storer's game (except for Atari's own clone, which was a tweak of Moonlander in the same way that Pong was a tweak of Odyssey Tennis), similar to Pong clones or Invader clones. The Electronic Games magazine quote even supports this, likening graphical lunar landers to "Space Invaders imitators," another category much larger than lunar landers that doesn't have its own article. Xscapist (talk) 22:00, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
 * And just to clarify about the opening line in my proposed reorganization: Storer's original was known as Lunar Lander Game (what Storer calls it on his homepage), ROCKET (what Ahl called it in his original 101 BASIC, and also what the high school listing was called), LUNAR (in Ahl's reprint), and APOLLO (in the DECUS archive). So that line wasn't referring to the variations, just the different names given to Storer's game, though admittedly I should've made the very first name Lunar Lander (its popular name, and what PCC called it).
 * It should maybe also be noted that while Ahl says in the original 101 BASIC that the three variations included are the most popular of all the numerous variations, he called out Storer's version as being the original. Xscapist (talk) 01:16, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Update: I've re-reorganized and expanded on the information to show what they could look like as separate articles based on articles for other computer games from the era (though unfortunately it won't let me use most of the current images in the sandbox area). Sandbox draft here. Xscapist (talk) 20:48, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Title of article
Shouldn't this be "Lunar lander (video game genre)" to follow correct capitalization? Other genres do not capitalize both words. Perhaps this is a remnant of when this article was about a specific game? It no longer is, so the title should be corrected.98.13.3.175 (talk) 20:42, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * It's an odd effect from the genre being named after a specific, two-word game; most genres with a name in them are named after a single-word game (Doom clone, Rouge-like). -- Pres N  23:29, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

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Hayashi rice

Hayashi rice (ハヤシライス) is a dish popular in Japan as a Western-style dish, or yōshoku. It usually contains beef, onions, and button mushrooms in a thick demi-glace sauce, which often contains red wine and tomato sauce. This sauce is served atop or alongside steamed rice. The sauce is sometimes topped with a drizzle of fresh cream. Recipe variants sometimes include soy sauce and sake.

There are several theories about the origin of this dish and its name:

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The most popular theory is that it was created by Hayashi, the founder of Maruzen.

Hayashi rice demonstrates a Western influence with the use of demi-glace and often red wine, but is unknown in Western countries. In fact, it contains ingredients popular in Japan: slices of beef (Hyōgo Prefecture is also famous for its Kobe beef), rice and demi-glace sauce (among others). It can be compared to another popular dish, the Japanese-style hamburger steak with demi-glace sauce. Another variation is the omuhayashi, a combination of omurice and hayashi rice. It also resembles a Japanese curry and usually appears on menus alongside curry.

Hayashi rice is one of Japan's most popular Western-style dishes. Thanks to the widespread availability of hayashi rice mix (normally sold as roux blocks) and prepared demiglace sauce (normally canned) at Japanese supermarkets, this dish is common household fare. Like Japanese curry, it is usually eaten with a spoon.

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Theatrical poster for Luis Buñuel's Viridiana (1961).

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Welcome Wagon

Welcome Wagon is a marketing business in the United States (and formerly in Canada ) that contacts new homeowners after relocation, providing them with coupons and advertisements from local businesses.

The company was founded in 1928, by Thomas Briggs in Memphis, Tennessee. Briggs later established the Thomas W. Briggs Foundation in 1957.

When the company was founded, Welcome Wagon "hostesses" would visit new homeowners with a gift basket containing samples, coupons, and advertising from contributing businesses. These home visits continued for over 50 years until 1998, when then-owner Cendant laid off the "hostesses", saying that changing demographics meant few homeowners would be at home when representatives called.

Welcome Wagon Canada, a separate company, continued to offer home visits until its closed in May 2020. It also operated events for people planning a wedding or expecting a baby. Welcome Wagon in Canada was founded in 1930 and was run for many years by Pauline Hill, who first became a Hostess in 1953 and advanced to be head of the company as CEO (1962–1990). Welcome Wagon Ltd. became a wholly Canadian-owned entity in 1979 when a group of Canadian managers purchased it outright from the US owners. Its head office was situated in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Hostesses were subsequently known as representatives.

Welcome Wagon International has had several owners. In 1995, CUC International Inc. which subsequently merged into Cendant acquired Welcome Wagon. In 2001, Homestore Inc., later known as Move, Inc., bought Welcome Wagon.

Move, Inc. announced in August 2008 that it was putting Welcome Wagon International, Inc. up for sale. On June 26, 2009, the South Florida Media Group, publisher of South Florida-based local publications, acquired Welcome Wagon International, Inc. In 2014, Welcome Wagon was sold to coupon company Money Mailer.

Welcome Wagon International, Inc., originally based in Memphis, Tennessee, moved from Westbury, New York to Plainview, New York in 2004. The company had local representatives throughout the United States. Welcome Wagon still markets to new residents through mail and telemarketing calls, and online. The company is now based in Coral Springs, Florida.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ekeni

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Sjakkalle (Check!)  12:58, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Ekeni
Less than 300 Google hits, no Alexa ranking. Sounds like vanity to me. Denni ☯ 03:03, 2005 July 20 (UTC)
 * Delete no redeeming qualities whatever. Friday 04:17, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Unless someone figures out how to fit the word "website" a few more times into a single sentence. Hamster Sandwich 05:16, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete non notable self promotion. JamesBurns 09:07, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.

title: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ekeni