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This article seems more or less to be an advertisement for the ski area. The content about the ski area should be dramatically reduced, and there should be more about the mountain itself. -- Ithacagorges 02:59 Jul 18 2005 (UTC)

The information about the mountain seems to be mostly from http://www.huntermtn.com/about.html. Towel 21:02, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

This should be about the mountain, with the ski area as a subsection (or separate article as Hunter Mountain Ski Bowl, its legal name) and properly disambiguated as Hunter Mountain (New York) (there are plenty of other Hunter Mountains and Mount Hunters in the US]]. I've got some work to do. Daniel Case 23:01, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Having moved all the images to Commons, I think it's time to spin off the fire tower as a separate section per WP:NRHP. Any objections? If not, I will be doing this in a few days. Daniel Case 15:51, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Done. Daniel Case 05:56, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

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Talk:Roberto Baggio

Height is wrong
Hi, I think the height of Baggio in his profile is wrong. The two height measurements don't add up. Please correct. Ondog 07:22, 23 May 2006 (UTC) The correct Roberto Baggio's height is 174 cm (5'8'' 1/2): now it's ok.--Swirlan (talk) 16:22, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Objectivity
This is DEFINITELY not an objective piece. I would fix it myself, but knowing very little about Baggio the player, I opt not to so as not to incorrectly reference anything. It definitely needs a scouring though as there is A LOT of POV. empty_jester

I am inclined to agree with the above (see example below). "He was the best Italian player of the 1994 FIFA World Cup, single handedly carrying his team to the final". Moreover, I think there is a high degree of probability that this piece was produced by someone closely related to Baggio, if not by Baggio himself. Kenneth —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.108.73.47 (talk) 11:48, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

--Closely related to Baggio or Baggio himself? Do you think Michael Jordan is editing his own wiki, because Baggio is far bigger than that. This isn't some small player who might be interested in rewriting his career, this is quite possibly the greatest Italian soccer player of all time, perhaps one of the greatest soccer players of all time. Beckham wouldn't be fit to touch Baggio's cleats. ~Alessio

There is NO question with 5 goals and the winners 2 games in a row, Baggio was the Best player for the Azzurri, and the reason they were in the finals. Disputing that is ridiculous —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.96.121.35 (talk) 18:58, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

--Agreed. Baggio literally carried the team in the USA World Cup, it's not POV, it's a fact. ~Alessio

YO THIS IS SOCCER/CALCIO NOT AN ENGLISH ESSAY. SHOVE UR BIG WORDS UP UR ASS. BAGGIO WAS THE BEST PLAYER IN94 AND HE WAS = TO OR BETTER THAN MARADONA VAFFANCULO SCEMO

Perhaps in the above sentence, the word that should be changed is "single-handedly." Since football is a team sport, it's impossible to say that a player single-handedly does anything." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Snake78 (talk • contribs) 15:26, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Have you ever watched a football match or did you only read 'football is a team sport' in the corresponding article? :/ Luckz (talk) 01:12, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

I doubt that Roberto Baggio speaks English, so don't accuse him of stooping so low as to post a send-up of himself on a free encyclopedia. The fact that this article is in such a sorry state (it being about one of the best players of all time) reflects poorly upon modern football fans and their collective lack of knowledge of players who started playing more than ten years ago. That being said, this article is very poorly written in almost every way. Someone with knowledge of the player should overhaul it. I might myself one of these days. Wannabe rockstar (talk) 20:23, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I apologise to anyone who may take offence to the ensuing comments, but enough is enough! Empty Jester, Snake78 and myself are the only individuals who have demonstrated that they can distinguish between a fact and an opinion thus far. For example, "Agreed. Baggio literally carried the team in the USA World Cup, it's not POV, it's a fact. ~Alessio". I don't know where to start with this one. Firstly, unless Baggio has upperbody strength equivalent to Superman, this is not true. Therefore, despite what you say, it is NOT A FACT. The use of the word "literally" is both erroneous and ridiculous as the meaning that is intended to be conveyed by the word is absolutely opposite to the meaning literally conveyed by it. Perhaps "metaphorically" would be more appropriate. I do think that Roberto Baggio is one of the top 10,000 players of all time, but this is still an opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.41.25.254 (talk) 18:39, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

There certainly are statements within the articles that are subjective, however it is relatively difficult to describe the career of a football player without a certain level of subjectivity as it is not a quantifiable science. Alessio's sentence is technically incorrect, however considering English is not his native language and the word literally is banded around with abandon I'm certain he can be forgiven for the mistake. It is much easier to discuss a problem and arrive at a solution if people talk to each other on the same level, so perhaps you should climb down from your (metaphorical) high horse. I would also dispute your definition of a fact; it is not a truth that must be proved beyond doubt, it is the best explanation available that cannot be disproved at that point in time. It is widely accepted by 'football experts' and Italian football pundits that Roberto Baggio was the protagonist in Italy's journey to the USA '94 final, of course there was entire squad and each contributed. From the evidence available Baggio's contribution however is considered to be the greatest within the team. the inclusion of the belief Your argument against f that Baggio was the primary reason for Italy's success in the '94 World Cup would also prohibit the inclusion of any statement beyond physical observations such as height, physique and statistics regarding goals and the clubs which players have played. "Cruyff was known for his technical ability, speed and acceleration, but his greatest quality was vision, based on an acute sense of his team-mates' positions as an attack unfolded." - Taken from the Johan Cruijff article on Wikipedia; this statement is equally as subjective as those found within this article on Baggio, would this statement also be prohibited under your proposed guidelines?

The comment that this has been written by someone close to or by Baggio himself is particularly naive, outside Italy Baggio has thousands of devoted fans who would go to the trouble of writing and ammending this article, within Italy he is quite simply adored. Baggio is also a very humble person who shuns the spotlight and prefers a simple life from all reports which only makes this claim more ludicrous than it was.

The main complaint regarding this article is purely immature writing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.198.156.184 (talk) 19:15, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

First of all, whilst we can assume that on the balance of probabilities, somebody named Alessio is likely to be Italian, the said subject has thus far demonstrated himself to have an excellent grasp of the English language. Indeed, if he had been named Andrew, nobody would have had the slightest inclination that English was not his native language. Therefore, the fact that his native language is unlikely to be English is irrelevant - he should be judged in-line with anybody who has a similar level of English. Moreover, there are no grammatical errors in this sentence (or any other sentence of his on this page for that matter).

Secondly, the comment about Baggio writing this page himself was a joke. No offense was intended so please don't try to take any.

Thirdly, I never once tried to provide a definition of a fact. However, I actually agree with the one that you provide, which makes me all the more perplexed as when I apply this definition to the article as a whole, there are still numerous things being said as if they are facts when they are actually opinions (e.g. "He was the best Italian player of the 1994 FIFA World Cup, single handedly carrying his team to the final"). The problem is not with the content, it is with the way the statement is written - as if there is no scope to disagree with it. It is a fact that Baggio played X amount of games for one team, and scored Y amount of goals for another. It is not a fact that he was the best Italian player of the 1994 FIFA World Cup. For your information, I never once disputed that "Baggio was the primary reason for Italy's success in the '94 World Cup". I actually agree that he was - but I don't agree with the way the point was made. And I do think that the Johan Cruyff quote should be amended to something like: "Cruyff was known for his technical ability, speed and acceleration, but many believe his greatest quality was vision, based on an acute sense of his team-mates' positions as an attack unfolded". There is nothing wrong with being subjective or objective. But pretending to be objective whilst actually being subjective is a style of writing better suited to a tabloid newspaper than to a credible encyclopedia site.

Baggio pic
I'm sorry, but I can't stand the current image of Baggio on this page. It seems to say "I love the 1990's" :-) But seriously, can someone get a better image, like one of him wearing a jersey or something? ChaChaFut 03:59, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Numerous factual errors. Lippi was not the manager at Inter until Baggio's second season there. THere was no conflict of paying time between Baggio and Ronaldo (Ronaldo was injured the majority of the time Baggio was there). Lippi preferred to sit Baggio for Alvaro Recoba or utility midfielders. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.112.236.127 (talk • contribs) 17:38, 27 June 2006 (UTC) --True, but Lippi never was a fan of Baggio. He dumped him for Del Piero at Juventus and didn't really play him when he took of the Azzurri coaching job. ~Alessio

use the one on the italian page —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.153.42.181 (talk • contribs) 03:50, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * That image, it:Immagine:Roberto_Baggio_Usa_94.jpg, has no source or licensing info and is likely to be deleted. --Muchness 07:00, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

nickname
Hi, I'm Giovanni. I have te make a small correction: the italian nickname of Roberto Baggio was "Il Divin Codino", without the o in "divino" Giovanni —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.220.190.213 (talk • contribs) 15:43, 2 July 2006  (UTC)

Are you sure that isn't just in your dialect? Divino is correct in Italian... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.26.2.12 (talk • contribs) 17:05, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it's Italian and not dialect, just poetic let's say! It was used in the whole Italy! --Lanerossi 23:07, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

--Giovanni is right. Divino is the adjective, but it's shorted in colloquial Italian. It's not wrong to call him the "divino codino" but he is commonly known as "il Divin Codino." ~alessio

Baggio 1998 world cup
its factually wrong to say he played for 90 minutes. he came on late in the game to replace del piero and in minutes, he had manufactured the equaliser through a hand ball penalty. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 144.82.210.66 (talk • contribs) 22:32, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Roby started that game against Chile. Del Piero did not play. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.236.116.144 (talk) 19:11, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

The immediate above comment is correct. Baggio started and played all 90 minutes, it is not factually incorrect. Del Piero was left on the bench for the entire game against Chile. Check the facts. http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/archive/edition=1013/results/matches/match=8726/report.html ~Alessio

Baggio missed his penalty kick causing Italy to lose to the eventual champions France signifying one of the most upsetting moments in World Cup history. => this is wrong. 1998_FIFA_World_Cup —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.201.25.45 (talk) 21:42, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Inter Milan Edit & Ref
Updated the Appearances and goals while his time at Inter Milan, it appereared to be incorrect; Baggio scored 11 Serie A goals for the Nerazzurri and not '9' as what was mentioned. Quote the reference from Inter Archive below; Link.

http://archivio.inter.it/cgi-bin/giocatori-scheda?codice=G0028&L=en

Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.49.243.118 (talk • contribs) 09:58, 17 February 2007  (UTC)

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hey mans!!! Where is foto of THE BEST PLAYER OF FOOTBALL IN THE WORLD THE GLORYUOS ROBERTO BAGGIO —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.118.81.37 (talk • contribs) 00:54, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Editors have so far been unable to locate an image that meets Wikipedia's image use policy. --Muchness 02:54, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Quotes
who is deleting the Baggio quotes? there is nothing wrong with them, stop removing them —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 219.74.108.245 (talk) 01:45, 15 March 2007 (UTC).
 * I am deleting them, as I have told you multiple times. They are unsourced and there are far too many of them. You have been warned about this multiple times. Please do not end up being blocked by reinserting them. Gwernol 01:48, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Boca Juniors
He's a fan of Boca. His wife said "Roberto no sigue el fútbol de Italia; no le interesan ni Juventus, ni Milan ni Inter; mantiene interés por un solo equipo: Boca Juniors. Roberto sigue al club más importante de la Argentina. Es una pasión que le nació de sus visitas al país de Maradona y de Riquelme. Allí el fútbol es pasión y espectáculo". http://ellitoral.com/index.php/diarios/2007/06/12/deportes/DEPO-12.html http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Primo_Piano/2007/06_Giugno/12/baggino.shtml (La Gazzetta dello Sport)

Trivia?

Individual honours
"Fourth soccer player always (to the shoulders of Pelè, Maradona and Eusebio) second a promoted world-wide survey from the FIFA via Internet". This sentence makes no sense. Anyone know what it means? 86.42.216.79 11:46, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I have absolutely no idea. I guess that somebody has put something in another language into an online translator and then pasted it here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.108.78.10 (talk) 12:00, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

It's a direct translation from Italian, the correct form would be: "Fourth best player of all time (behind Pele', Maradona and Eusebio respectively) according to a world wide survey promoted by FIFA" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.251.85.249 (talk) 00:07, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Moving to Inter
it says "After the 1998 World Cup, Baggio signed with Inter Milan. This proved to be an unfortunate move, as the then coach Marcello Lippi did not favour Baggio and hardly played him"

Lippi was not coach of Inter in 1998 though, Simone was. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ucl1986 (talk • contribs) 02:46, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

This is a poorly written and researched article. Baggio was a marvelous player but this has clearly been written by a partisan fan rather than by someone with an eye for neutrality. I shall correct it soon, when I have time. A number of statements are wrong and there's far too much personal opinion.

Baggio's Goals
Baggio scored 205 goals in italian serie A, this page said 291. There is an error. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.6.51.27 (talk) 20:34, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Image
Could someone please find a licensed image that could be used for this article? It's utterly ridiculous that no one has been able to find one for a footballer this well known. The photo really adds to the article. I think one of him playing with Italy would be best, since he is most remembered for his performances with Italy since he played with 7 clubs. Thanks. Messirulez (talk) 01:42, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

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Perfect sanity
Your spiel about your disdain for perfect sanity struck a chord with me, I was (am?) just interested to know where the quote fitting in[to]' a monochrome world, settling down, culling mad dreams was from, or was it entirely self-coined?

Thanks.

AlmostCrimes 14:44, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

translation
Hi, this is not a genitive, You seem motivated by this new topic ! I can suggest you another translation from a shorter but I think better article : fr:massacre de Qibya. The only matter is that it already exists but the one here has two POV tages while the former one is also a featured article. Best Regards, Alithien 19:59, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Your name gives joy!
I have a strong emotional connection to the apostrophe, as it was deemed illegal in my childhood. I have no reason to like Lynn Truss personally, but respect her work. Do you know of an apostrophe protection league? I would like to join in the tippexing. BrainyBabe 21:05, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

It's-->its
Rock on, oh great protector of the apostrophe! (and fellow NF) Katr67 21:40, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Interesting page
You're obviously a very busy Wikipedian. You have an amazing page. I lived in Croatia for a bit so I read a bit about the Slavic swear words. The changes in swear words between the languages belonging to the people of the former Yugoslavia can be small, but so many different ways to curse. It's just wonderful. And if I'm in Iran any time soon, I'll know when the train from Damascus will be :) Wikitoddia 08:07, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

You have perhaps the best username ever
Just saying. Marnanel 20:18, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

English in the Caribbean
I'm a month late to the party, but I noticed that you said a month ago in the Language Reference Desk that English is the sole official language of "basically the entire Caribbean." Actually, only about one-fourth of the Caribbean population lives in English-speaking countries. Cuba, the Dominican Republic, Haiti, the Caribbean islands of Venezuela, the French islands and Aruba/Bonaire/Curacao do not have English as an official language, and except for the Dutch trio mentioned, most of the people in those places do not speak it. (The other Dutch islands of Saba, St. Eustatius and Sint Maartin do speak English semi-officially.) Puerto Rico is officially bilingual (being a U.S. territory), but most of its population actually consists of monolingual Spanish speakers. There are a number of officially English-speaking countries in the Caribbean, but most have tiny populations and even then, English is not necessarily the only language spoken on them; the French-based Antillean Creole is spoken on several, often as a native tongue. Funnyhat 20:53, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Qibya massacre
Hi It's is not a genitive, I come back to you :-) Last time I asked you if you would agree to replace Qibya massacre by a translation of fr:massacre de Qibya. What would you think about acting a (slightly) different way : would you mind translating this on a personal work page and then ask on the article talk page what version they would chose ? We could also merge the information from the wp:en version in the other one but I think it is already the case... Thank you ! Regards, Alithien 18:27, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

ang-N
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I laughed out loud
at your username. One of the best I've (sorry - I have) stumbled across. Kudos to you, and may you continue to help Wikipedia attain its rightful glory. It's good you're (sorry - you are) -here. Keeper |  76  22:25, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I need some help translating this from French to English
I saw that you are a translator on the French Translation page... I need some help translating the following letter into English. It was written by General Pulaski, while traveling to find food for the starving soldiers at Valley Forge. I know it's an inconvenience to ask you to do this, but I would very much appreciate it. If you don't have time though, I understand. Thanks.

Berlington [N.J.] le 28 Fevrie à Minuit 1778

Sir

Jais l’honeur de Vous rapporter qu aiant rassemble toute La Cavalerie du Regiment Blan et de detachement que jais eu avec moi jais trouvè 44 Cavalie 5 bas Officiers pour les Services et quoique ils ne sont 698 pas dans le melieur etat jais marchè avec eux vers L’Enemi mais come le chemin est insuport.. je suis force de Passe la Nui a burlington de demain je Comte de reconoitre L’Enemi et jagirais de Consequence. je verrais le General Wayne et je concetrais avec lui je ne negligerais rieins que le biein du Service exigera mais pour etre sou Ses ordres je ne m’attends pas, je servirais neenmoins à mon prejudice à linteres Publique.

Aprè quois je tacherais Mon General de diminuer Vos embaras sur mon Comte me demetant de ma charge dont Le Congres ma honoré par Votre recomendacion.

J’envoiais d’ici deux batots armes sur Ancokes krik pour observé par la Riviere L’approche de LEnemi qui se trouvait a deux Heures apre midi sur quatres differents Batiments à L’endroit quon apele Sene Merize. Je repets à V. Excelence la plus grande Necessité de Soigne les besoins de La Cavalerie Elle manque dé tout j’aurais desire de faire aumoins bieins equipé Le Regiment de Blan avec les Lenceurs mais come cela mest deffendû il faut quon prene d’autres Mesures sans s’abandone trop sur les Colonels quis certainement seront hors d’Etat de remplire Leurs Objet, ce nest pas pour moi que je parle, je ne Comte davoire Lhoneur d’etre a la tete de cet Corps la Campagne Prochaine, mais Come je Serais toujours ami de L’interes des Ameriqueins, je suis forçe de dire ma façon de Pensè plus si apre Moi Le Comendement sera doné au Colonel Moilen, toute la Cavalerie sera en meme Etat que Son Regiment, Le Colonel Blan est un Activs Officier il Lui Convieidra cette charge, et Monsieur Moilen pourra etre contenté d’une autre chose je dis ce que je crois etre necessaire et jais Lhoneur d’etre avec respect de Votre Excelence Les tres humbl et tres obeissent Serviteur

Casimir Pulaski

Rochlafayette (talk) 00:38, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Translation no longer necessary...
I'm just writing to tell you that I no longer need the translation. As a precaution, I asked several people listed on the French translation page to help me with the letter. Today I checked, and several people have sent me the translations or are in the process of translating them. I've been trying for several weeks to find a translator (first on myspace, which was hardly any help at all, then on wikipedia, which I must say has been more helpful). I hope in the future you would still be willing to help with translations. There are several letters from Lafayette that I cannot understand. But it may be some time before I need them.

Thanks again.

ps I was watching C-SPAN today, and was quite surprised to learn that after all these years, Pulaski may be made an honorary citizen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rochlafayette (talk • contribs) 00:20, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Cool... thanks
Thanks for offering to translate letters in the future. I'm glad to know there is someone I can turn to.

Don't worry, I don't expect people to respond quickly. I know it takes time to translate, and people have other things to do. I just tried to contact as many people as I could the other day because I wasn't sure who would respond and who wouldn't. I'm glad you're interested in helping.

Thanks. Rochlafayette (talk) 03:25, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Need your help
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User:Jejune~enwiki

Jejune is a senior in at Emerson College and a total loser. She is obesessed with giraffes and women's health. She lives in Boston, Massachusetts with her boyfriend, Steve, and her iBook, Ho-Ju.

She has a website [] and a livejournal [], but does not claim that either are good or entertaining.

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Gimnasio Moderno

The Gimnasio Moderno is a private mixed gender Elite-traditional and liberal, primary and secondary school located in Bogotá, Colombia. It was founded in 1914 by Colombians following the leading initiative of Agustín Nieto Caballero.

Ideals
The school's principle of conduct is based on the so-called discipline of trust (disciplina de confianza), following the lines of Maria Montessori's active discipline. This fundamental principle seeks to instill self-confidence and inner discipline in students, as well as to further their understanding of a deeper sense of responsibility, honesty, loyalty, and friendship through the active development of freedom. The Gimnasio Moderno was awarded a national monument status due to its longevity and historical stature.

Furthermore, the school centers its approach to teaching around the motto "Educar Antes que Instruir," which translates as "To educate rather than to instruct." This means that teaching moral values and allowing the development of students as honest, self-confident, and driven individuals, takes precedence over technical instruction. This approach is fruitful, and the school remains in the top tier of schools in the country by academic standards.

The educational program is divided into four sections. The first section includes Montessori 1, 2, and 3 and the first Decroly. The second section includes the second, third, fourth, and fifth Decroly grades. The third section includes the sixth through ninth grades, and the fourth section includes the tenth and eleventh grades.

Traditions
The school's traditions include:

A marching band (winners of the Batuta de Plata competition, won for the first time in 1999 with Sebastian Devis as tambor mayor, then in 2006 with Nicolás Medina as tambor mayor, in 2012 with Germán Garcia as tambor mayor, in 2016 with Pablo Güete as tambor mayor and in 2017 with Juan Felipe Noguera as tambor mayor.

A Football championship between Gimnasio Moderno and Gimnasio Campestre, called the Copa Tradicion. The school also hosts the Eaglet Cup (Copa Aguilucho), a Football (Soccer) league made up of teams from different grades within the school.

In 1941, alumni from the school founded the football club Independiente Santa Fe, whose origin is traced back to a team formed by them to play a match against the school team as part of the celebrations of the school's 25th anniversary.

Single and multiple-day excursion trips throughout the country. Following the ideals of Robert Baden-Powell.

Sports Teams: The school has traditionally encouraged and supported its sports teams, such as the, football, basketball, volleyball and swimming teams.

Student awards: The school gives annual recognition to those students who excel in different areas. These areas are called, personal effort, kindness to others, 'excursionist spirit' and a group recognition of friendship awarded to an entire class.

Brotherhood with the "Gimnasio Femenino": This private all-female school was conceived by Agustin Nieto Caballero and some other influential personalities of the Gimnasio Moderno in 1927. Since this, the two schools have shared a special link, they celebrate many dates together, do a wide range of activities through the year, and basically, share academic and fun moments with the opposite genre once in a while.

Semana Cultural (Cultural Week) which is an ensemble of cultural activities, including the Mañana del Talento Gimnasiano (Morning of Talent) during which students present theater plays, comedy acts, and musical numbers among others. Students often make fools of themselves, but every once in a while true talents are unveiled. The school also hosts the citywide famous Concurso de Barras Maria Helena Amador(Cheerleader contest) for which cheerleader groups from all-girls schools across the city prepare through the year.

Headmasters

 * Alberto Corradine Varela (1914)
 * Pablo Vila Dinares (1915–1917)
 * Tomás Rueda Vargas (1918–1920, 1922–1924, 1927–1933 and 1937–1943)
 * Erich Heincke Hoyer (1921)
 * Aurelio Tobón Mejía (1925–1927)
 * Julio Carrizosa Valenzuela (1934–1936)
 * Daniel Samper Ortega (1943–1944)
 * Carlos Lleras Restrepo (1944)
 * Agustín Nieto Caballero (1945–1975)
 * Ernest Bein (El Prof.) (1975–1980)
 * Mario Galofre Cano (1981–1984 and 1986–1994)
 * Germán Pardo Sánchez (1985)
 * Leopoldo Gonzalez Chaparro (1995–1997)
 * Juan Carlos Bayona Vargas (1998–2012)
 * Guillermo González Lecaros (e) (2012)
 * Víctor Alberto Gómez Cusnir (2012–present)

Marching band
The marching band of the Gimnasio Moderno is one of the oldest school marching bands in Bogotá, it is more than 50 years old.
 * The drum major, or leader, of the band is selected by democratic process in which band members cast a secret ballot. Such process has taken place every year since 1952 and all members of the band vote.

This is one of the most traditional school bands in Colombia.
 * The band won the Batuta de Plata competition for the first time in 1999 with Sebastian Devis as drum major, a second in 2006 with Nicolás Medina as drum major, a third in 2012 with Germán García as drum major, a fourth in 2016 with Pablo Güete as drum major, and fifth and second consecutive win in 2017 with Juan Felipe Noguera as drum major.
 * The marching band received a award on 7 July 2018 by the Congress of the Republic of Colombia, the award was received by Jeronimo Marulanda, the drum major of 2018, and by Juan Jose Laverde, the drum major from 1952.

Notable alumni

 * Alfonso Lopez Michelsen former president of Colombia
 * Ernesto Samper Pizano former president of Colombia
 * Julio Mario Santo Domingo businessman
 * Rodolfo Llinás neuroscientist
 * Mario Laserna Pinzón founder of University of Los Andes (Colombia)
 * Fidel Cano Correa journalist, CEO of El Espectador newspaper
 * Guillermo Cano Isaza journalist
 * Rafael Pardo former congressman, minister of Defense and Labour and mayor of Bogotá
 * Eduardo Caballero Calderón journalist and writer
 * Antonio Caballero Holguín, journalist and writer
 * Daniel Samper Pizano lawyer, journalist, writer
 * José Alejandro Cortes founder of Grupo Bolivar
 * German Puerta astronomer
 * Diego Trujillo actor
 * Jorge Enrique Abello actor

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Monique Alexander

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep (but remove the sections other than that about the ... actress ...). Eugene van der Pijll 23:27, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Monique Alexander
Vanity page for a pediatrician. Joyous (talk) 03:07, July 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Vanity. Gwk 03:09, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 14-year-old pediatrician and mother of three. Busy girl, but not too busy to post vanity. Delete hoax -EDM 04:09, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete notability not established CanadianCaesar 04:12, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Well, on the one hand Google returns 166,000 hits for "Monique Alexander"... but on the other hand, the first of these is for "Free Pornstar Monique Alexander Galleries," and the rest are pretty much the same. Once this article is gone, I may post an article on the notable porn star by the same name. -- BD2412 talk 04:53, July 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * I added some info on that other Monique Alexander. :-) -- BD2412 talk 05:23, July 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * What will her patients think?? -EDM 05:27, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, are you serious about keeping the porno actress? If so, we might as well erase the stuff on the pediatrician, in much the same way Hooley was VfD'd and then kept because it was completely re-written to focus on a completely different subject.  CanadianCaesar 05:36, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, we should have an article on the (ahem) actress, as she does seem notable in her field. I'm reluctant to remove the "pediatrician" info, as it was the basis for this vfd... but it's an obvious hoax, and since it is not an advert, an attack page, or a copyvio, it does no harm for it to remain in the edit history. So, if the VfD goes "delete" as to the original article, we can just keep the replacement (unless folks wish to delete that as well). -- BD2412 talk 13:25, July 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Needs a bit of a cleanup - I thought the pediatrician and the porn star were the same person. Cnwb 07:55, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I clarified the distinction. :-D -- BD2412 talk 13:38, July 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete non-notable pediatrian; Keep notable porn star (no offence meant to the pediatrian!) 23skidoo 14:34, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep the porn star. CanadianCaesar 20:31, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete the pediatrician, keep the porn star. Which is always a good way to build a society.  Dcarrano 21:30, July 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete and Keep per Dcarrano. I like your thinking. royblumy 03:11, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete the 14 yr old doctor and mother of 3. Keep the porn star I guess.  I'm glad I only share my name with a long distance runner... --Etacar11 00:03, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Split vote: Keep the pr0n actress, Abstain on the pediatrician. JamesBurns 07:25, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete the pediatrician as hoax. Nobody named Monique Alexander holds a medical license in Florida, the state where the pediatrician purportedly lives. See Florida Medical License Search. --Metropolitan90 07:39, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Talk:Soft sign

Scientific transliteration in linguistics articles
Regarding the anonymous edit: we've mostly been using scientific transliteration for Slavic languages in linguistics articles (is that correct for Russian, or do we stick to "Transliteration of Russian into English"?). The Ukrainian transliteration miakyy znak appears to be BGN/PCGN, which we don't use on Wikipedia at all; lsee Romanization of Ukrainian. It is a bit of a mixed bag for Ukrainian, though. Any thoughts? —Michael Z. 2005-07-18 03:08 Z

See also Naming conventions, which is more documentation of usage than a recommendation (I wrote it). —Michael Z. 2005-07-18 03:10 Z

Cedilla?
Is cedilla a type of soft sign? -Hello World! 08:47, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

 * No. — Monedula 11:28, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Soft for palatalized?
"Hard" and "soft" don't really seem to me to fit the definition of the two sides of the palatalization spectrum. I'm slightly synaesthetic, and whenever I hear the sound, it puts an image of flowing water in my head. So I think that non-palatalized and palatalized vowels should really be called "dry" and "wet" instead of "hard" and "soft". --  Denelson83  00:18, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Soft and hard are translations of the Slavic words, for the sound of the preceding consonant. For example, in the combination нь, the /n/ sound gets softened to /nʲ/, similar to the n in Spanish señor. —Michael Z. 2008-10-23 01:04 z

Ь in Bulgarian
Its meaning appears to be confusing. According to bg:Ь, in such examples as listed in Soft sign there is no iotation. But according to bg:Йотация in some foreign words ‹ьо› is used namely as a mean to represent /j/. So, it is confusing, where it denotes palatalization, iotation, both, or probably none. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 17:12, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Audio suggestion
I attempted to self-learn Russian a few years back and the soft sign was one of the things that made me give it up because I just couldn't visualize (audio-wise) how it effected words. I'd like to suggest that a sound file be created in which words with and without the modifier are spoken, so to better illustrate the difference in sound. 70.72.211.35 (talk) 04:32, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I see it's been a couple years since this request was made. I second it. It would be helpful to have sound files related to this sound. 68.146.233.86 (talk) 01:03, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Try to compare these two words (listen to computer voice, it pronounces them correctly): кон and конь. As you probably read many times there is no specific sound related to soft sign. It is not same consonant plus some sound. It changes the pronunciation of the preceding consonant. But I understand what you mean. You wish to get something common for all cases of consonant modifications when they should be palatalized to "feel" the soft sign. It is possible. Try to feel the difference between "L" in "call" and "literature". Pronounce only "L" in both these words. The soft sign is like that very short beginning of "i" phoneme in the latter word. Of course it doesn't make any sense by itself, without that "L", but your toungue will move similarily for "нь", "ть", "ль", "пь" so you even can try to pronounce "ь" separately (something like groaning). I am native Russian, sorry for my English. Dron007 (talk) 05:20, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Glyph Origin?
Neither this article, nor the articles for hard sign or yer mention where the yers (hard sign and soft sign) come from. They just say it was used in old slavic languages, not a mention of where the letter actually came from. Did it come from Greek, Glagolitic, or is the origin completely unknown? I can't find anything online on it's origin. Oikoopa (talk) 02:20, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

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Is the plan to have separate articles on Mount Sneffels Wilderness and Mount Sneffels? --Wetman 03:08, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * One is solely about the moutain while this article is about the wilderness area the mountain is within.--MONGO 21:53, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

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The Benson Murder Case

The Benson Murder Case is the first novel in the Philo Vance series of mystery novels by S. S. Van Dine, which became a best-seller.

Plot outline
New York dilettante Philo Vance decides to assist the police in investigating the death of another man-about-town because he finds the psychological aspects of the crime of interest, and feels that they would be beyond the capacities of the police, even those of his friend District Attorney Markham. Vance investigates the circumstances under which the body was found and reconstructs the crime sufficiently to determine that the murderer is five feet, ten and a half inches in height. Together, Vance and Markham investigate Benson's business associates and romantic interests until Vance manages to pierce the murderer's alibi for the time of the murder and force a confession.

Literary significance and criticism
The novel was very loosely based upon a real-life case that had made headlines, the unsolved 1920 murder of bridge expert Joseph Bowne Elwell. It was considered a roman à clef because the circumstances under which Elwell's body was found—he was shot to death in a room in his home which was found to be locked from the inside, and he was not wearing his toupee—are duplicated in the novel. Modern knowledge of ballistics reveals that one of the central premises of the novel is fanciful, because the reconstruction of the height of the murderer is impossible (Dashiell Hammett had said as much at the time, in a 1927 book review).

"The first and best, partly because Van Dine had the real-life model of the Joseph Elwell murder (1920) to hold his fancy in check."

"Vance spots the murderer almost immediately but doesn't reveal him, allowing Markham and Sergeant Heath to fix the guilt on five successive persons by circumstantial evidence."

Film adaptations
Paramount Pictures released The Benson Murder Case (1930) a film version directed by Frank Tuttle and starring William Powell as Philo Vance. The film was moderately faithful to the plot of the novel. Paramount also released a Spanish-language version, El Cuerpo del Delito, written by Catalan writer Josep Carner Ribalta (1898–1988), and co-directed by Cyril Gardner and A. Washington Pezet.

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Jihad vs. McWorld

Jihad vs. McWorld: How Globalism and Tribalism Are Reshaping the World is a 1995 book by American political scientist Benjamin Barber, in which he puts forth a theory that describes the struggle between "McWorld" (globalization and the corporate control of the political process) and "Jihad" (Arabic term for "struggle", here modified to mean tradition and traditional values, in the form of extreme nationalism or religious orthodoxy and theocracy). Benjamin Barber similarly questions the impact of economic globalization as well as its problems for democracy.

The book was based on a March 1992 article by Barber first published in The Atlantic Monthly. The book employs the basic critique of neoliberalism seen in Barber's earlier, seminal work Strong Democracy. As neoliberal economic theory—not to be confused with social liberalism—is the force behind globalization, this critique is relevant on a much larger scale. Unregulated market forces encounter parochial (which he calls tribal) forces.

These tribal forces come in many varieties: religious, cultural, ethnic, regional, local, etc. As globalization imposes a culture of its own on a population, the tribal forces feel threatened and react. More than just economic, the crises that arise from these confrontations often take on a sacred quality to the tribal elements; thus Barber's use of the term "Jihad". In the 2001 introduction, Barber expressed regret using "Jihad" as it became descriptive and solely applied to Semitic peoples who believe in Islam and not, as he had hoped, applied to both and every actor (nation-state) in this Clash of Civilizations ("McWorld" as well as "Jihad").

Barber's prognosis in Jihad vs McWorld is directly in alignment with the conclusions of modern political economic theorists, such as Samuel P. Huntington, Jeffrey Sachs, and Thomas Piketty, that neither global corporations nor traditional cultures are supportive of democracy. He further posits that McWorld could ultimately win the "struggle". He also proposes a model for small, local democratic institutions and civic engagement as the hope for an alternative to these two forces.

Problems for democracy
Barber states that neither Jihad nor McWorld needs or promotes democracy.

McWorld
Barber argues that there are several imperatives that make up the McWorld, or the globalization of politics: a market imperative, a resource imperative, an information-technology imperative, and an ecological imperative. Due to globalization, our market has expanded and is vulnerable to the transnational markets where free trade, easy access to banking and exchange of currency are available. With the emergence of our markets, we have come up with international laws and treaties in order to maintain stability and efficiency in the interconnected economy. Resources are also an imperative aspect in the McWorld, where autarky seems insufficient and inefficient in presence of globalization. The information-technology of globalization has opened up communications to people all over the world, allowing us to exchange information. Also, technology is now systematically integrated into everyone's lives to the point where it "gives every person on earth access to every other person". Globalization of ecology may seem cliche; Barber argues that whatever a nation does to their own ecology, it affects everyone on Earth. For instance, cutting down a jungle will upset the overall oxygen balance, which affects our "global lungs". McWorld may promote peace and prosperity, but Barber sees this as being done at the cost of independence and identity, and notes that no more social justice or equality than necessary are needed to promote efficient economic production and consumption.

Jihad
Barber sees Jihad as offering solidarity and protecting identities, but at the potential cost of tolerance and stability. Barber describes the solidarity needed within the concept of Jihad as being secured through exclusion and war against outsiders. As a result, he argues, different forms of anti-democratization can arise through anti-democratic one-party dictatorships, military juntas, or theocratic fundamentalism. Barber also describes through modern day examples what these 'players' are. "[T]hey are cultures, not countries; parts, not wholes; sects, not religions, rebellious factions and dissenting minorities at war not just with globalism but with the traditional nation-state. Kurds, Basques, Puerto Ricans, Ossetians, East Timoreans, Quebecois, the Catholics of Northern Ireland, Catalans, Tamils, and of course, Palestinians – people with countries, inhabiting nations not their own, seeking smaller worlds within borders that will seal them off from modernity."

Confederal option
Barber writes democracy can be spread and secured through the world satisfying the needs of both the McWorld and Jihad. "With its concern for accountability, the protection of minorities, and the universal rule of law, a confederalized representative system would serve the political needs of McWorld as well as oligarchic bureaucratism or meritocratic elitism is currently doing." Some can accept democracy faster than others. Every case is different, however "Democracy grows from the bottom up and cannot be imposed from the top down. Civil society has to be built from the inside out." He goes on to further explain exactly what the confederal option means and how it will help. "It certainly seems possible that the most attractive democratic ideal in the face of the brutal realities of Jihad and the dull realities of McWorld will be a confederal union of semi autonomous communities smaller than nation-states, tied together into regional economic associations and markets larger than nation-states—participatory and self-determining in local matters at the bottom, representative and accountable at the top. The nation-state would play a diminished role, and sovereignty would lose some of its political potency."

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My Michael

My Michael (מיכאל שלי Mikha'el sheli) is a 1968 novel by the Israeli author Amos Oz. The story, told in first-person by a dissatisfied wife, describes her deteriorating marriage to a geology student and her escape into a private fantasy world of violent heroics and sexual encounters. Set in Jerusalem of the 1950s, the novel uses the physical and political landscape of the city as a metaphor for the protagonist's inner struggle. The novel garnered much controversy upon its publication in Israel, and was also the best-selling novel in Israel in the 1968–1969 season. The novel was translated into English in 1972 and has since been translated into more than 30 languages. It was adapted into a Hebrew-language film in 1976.

Plot
Hannah Greenbaum, a first-year literature student, meets Michael Gonen, a doctoral student in geology, by chance in her Hebrew University building. They date briefly and then marry, though their backgrounds and personalities could not be more dissimilar. They rent a small apartment in the Mekor Barukh neighborhood populated by religious Jews unlike themselves. Michael's aunts and other elderly acquaintances pop in and out of their lives, but Hannah is largely on her own as Michael pursues his degree.

While Michael runs his life in a calm, methodical, unemotional manner, Hannah feels increasingly hemmed in by sameness and routine. She begins to escape into private fantasies – some featuring the heroes of her favorite childhood books, like Jules Verne's Michael Strogoff and Captain Nemo – and others based on her own dreams of being an exciting Sephardi woman named Yvonne Azulai, of being raped by strangers, of being a cold princess who commands others to go into battle for her. Two recurrent figures in her fantasies are Arab twin boys with whom she used to play as a child.

Michael finally realizes how deeply she has sunken when she has a nervous breakdown one winter day before he is called up to serve in the 1956 Sinai campaign, and orders her to stay in bed until the doctor comes. But he cannot satisfy Hannah's unfulfilled sexual needs and her daydreams and nightmares continue, forcing her downward into a vortex of lust and fantasy. Hannah also finds it difficult to love their child, Yair, who is as pragmatic and non-relationship-oriented as his father. When Hannah finally conceives another child, Michael is no longer hers, having been seduced by an old college friend who constantly asks him to help her write her papers. The novel ends with Hannah still married, but for all intents and purposes estranged from Michael.

Themes
The relationship between Arabs and Jews in Jerusalem and Israel lends an undercurrent of fear and mistrust to the story. While the Arab-Israeli political situation is not discussed overtly, the setting of the novel in the early 1950s indicates that Israel had recently fought for its existence against armies from Egypt, Syria, Transjordan, Lebanon, and Iraq during the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, and the country continued to be targeted by "small-scale Palestinian infiltrations – supported by the Arab states – into Israeli territory" between 1949 and 1956. Wells and Loy write: "The novel uses 1950s Jerusalem as a metaphor for Israel itself, portraying the community as it then was – a mostly besieged enclave in an ever-threatening wilderness".

Ehud Ben-Ezer explains that post-independence, Israeli fiction like My Michael portrayed Arabs as an existential threat. The Arab twins who metamorphose in Hannah's imagination from childhood playmates into deadly terrorists are not the cause for her suffering, he explains, but a metaphor for it. Amos Elon also notes this undercurrent of Arab-Jewish tension. Jerusalem in the 1950s, when the story takes place, was a city partitioned into Jewish and Arab sectors by the 1949 Armistice border. Beneath the monotony of Hannah's life lies the insecurity of living in "a city divided, its 'Europeanized' Israeli sector surrounded on three sides by an ever-present menace, the deadly hostile Arab natives". Elon adds that Oz finished writing the novel in May 1967, a few weeks before the outbreak of the Six-Day War which resulted in the Israeli annexation of Arab East Jerusalem. Elon observes that the reunification of Jerusalem did nothing to unify its Arab and Jewish citizenry, saying: "an invisible line continues to divide the two sectors, and will likely do so for a long time to come".

The 1956 Sinai campaign also figures in the plot, with Michael being called up for duty and Hannah remaining alone with their child on the home front. Israeli literary critic Gershon Shaked has noted that Hannah's nervous breakdown, coming just as Israel is preparing for war, "corresponds to the [factual] Sinai Campaign, which was perceived as discharging tensions that had built up from years of living on the edge".

Oz further employs the architectural landscape of Jerusalem – its stone houses, iron railings, narrow alleys, and hidden courtyards – to elicit feelings of hopelessness and "cutting people off from one another".

Duality also appears throughout the novel. Dana Amir points to the characters of the Arab twins, the contrasting characters of the two Michaels – "Michael Gonen, the grey, reserved, submissive, dry-witted man contrasts with Michael Strogoff, the invincible hero of the inner world whose eyes are filled with blue metal" – and the contrasting character of Hannah herself – a "quiet, introverted student" as compared to "her dream-double: a princess who holds the strangers that humiliate her tight in her sadomasochistic grip". Doubleness extends to setting and dialogue, with clear divisions drawn between Hannah's inner and outer worlds.

Development
My Michael was Amos Oz's second novel. When Oz, a member of Kibbutz Hulda, first began writing stories, he received permission from the kibbutz administration to spend one day a week writing and the other days teaching or working in the fields. But Oz said he worked on this novel every night as well. While his wife and daughters slept in their one-and-a-half-room apartment, he sat in the lavatory with the book on his knees, writing and smoking until the wee hours. After My Michael was published, Oz gave the royalties to the kibbutz, and successfully petitioned the kibbutz administration to allow him two days a week for writing.

Critics have noted that Hannah, the narrator of the novel, reflects "all the intelligence, romanticism, and melancholy" of Oz's own mother, who committed suicide when he was twelve years old. Oz rejected this comparison.

Publishing history
My Michael was published in Hebrew in 1968 by Am Oved. It was the best-selling novel in Israel in the 1968–1969 season, with nearly 40,000 copies sold in its first 18 months. The novel was reissued by Keter Publishing House in 1990 and 2008, and by Keter/Yediot Aharonoth in 2010. The English edition, translated by Nicholas de Lange, would be the first of 16 of Oz's books translated into English by the British academic. The English edition was first published in 1972 by Chatto & Windus (London) and Alfred A. Knopf (New York).

My Michael has been translated into more than 30 languages. It is one of two Oz titles that have been translated into Arabic. Many of the book's international publishers printed a special twentieth-anniversary edition in 1988.

Reception
Upon its publication, the novel generated much controversy for its allusions to Arab-Jewish relations. Critics described the novel as "politically dangerous and subversive". In a 2010 article in Al-Akhbar, As'ad AbuKhalil called the portrayal of Arabs in the book "racial profiling at its worst". The Arabs are "silent", "dirty", and "are about to commit 'pogrom', even though the word is Russian and it was formulated to portray the actions of non-Arabs against Jews in nineteenth century Russia". On the other hand, the main character, Hannah, was accused of being "anti-Zionist" and an "Arab-lover". The novel did receive praise for addressing "the deep but often unacknowledged psychological connections between Israeli Jews and their Arab neighbors". Oz himself said in an interview: "I think that the implications of the Israel-Arab conflict, indirect as they are, enraged some readers and at the same time legitimized certain attitudes which were around, but were not expressed before—anyway, not in literature."

The Boston Globe reported in 1995 that upon the novel's release in Arabic in Egypt in 1995, "nearly every critique has been negative" – but the book was also in its second printing.

Elon observed that the novel puts the lie to the Zionist dream of "a new, achievement-oriented society", conveying instead "a bleak, depressive pessimism" in its portrait of modern Israeli life. Eric Silver of The Guardian agreed, saying that the novel "challenges the pioneering simplicities and immigrant aspirations (My son, Herr Doktor) that underpin Israeli society". The Chicago Tribune similarly noted the perceived abandonment of Zionist ideals, calling the "unsympathetic" portrait of Hannah "a caustic repudiation of the cherished conception of the young sabra as invariably vigorous, dedicated and brave".

Following the publication of the translation in England and the United States in 1972, overseas reviews focused on the novel's "literary strengths, especially the rich detail and suggestive imagery by which it traces Hannah’s slow mental erosion". The Guardian, for example, complimented Oz's ability to overlay passages of "strident lyricism" with vivid "descriptions of mundane reality".

Many reviews note that the novel lacks a plot, being a straightforward account of courtship, marriage, pregnancy, birth, and daily life. But praise was given for the psychological character study of Hannah. Richard Locke of The New York Times describes My Michael as "an extremely self-conscious and serious psychological novel, slow, thoughtful, self-assured and highly sophisticated, full of the most skillful modulations of tone and texture". Locke favorably compares the novel's existentialist style to works by Ernest Hemingway, Cesare Pavese, Joan Didion, and Albert Camus's The Stranger and Sylvia Plath's The Bell Jar. Addressing the Arab-Israeli allusions in the book, especially the relationship between Hannah and the Arab twins, Locke surmises: "Amos Oz is suggesting that in her heart Israel is going mad dreaming of Arabs, while on the surface emotionally stunted 'new Israelis' are going about their nation's business cut off from self and history. It's hardly surprising that the book caused controversy and was a best seller in Israel".

Joshua Leifer praised Oz's skill in depicting the city of Jerusalem between the 1948 and 1956 wars, but called the characterization of Hannah "unconvincing", in line with what he calls Oz's tendency to portray women in his fiction as "promiscuous, selfish, and untrustworthy". The Cincinnati Enquirer concurred, calling the character of Hannah "not interesting, [but] merely tiresome. She is afflicted with terribly tame erotic fantasies, blatant childhood holdovers, and very trite philosophical reflections". However, this review praised Oz's writing skills for "making her a believable neurotic. … The end result is a very good writer in search of a better character".

Accolades
In 1999, My Michael was named "one of the 100 great novels of the 20th century" by the Bertelsmann publishing house of Germany.

Film adaptation
The novel was adapted by Israeli director-screenwriter Dan Wolman as the 1974 release Michael Sheli (released in the U.S. in 1976). The Hebrew-language film was submitted as the Israeli entry for Best Foreign Language Film for the 48th Academy Awards, but was ultimately not accepted as a nominee.

title: My Michael