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Talk:Hull City A.F.C.

Adam Pearson
I know this isn't really to do with this page, but it is fairly relevant, so bear with me! Any ideas why the Adam Pearson article was deleted yesterday? Managed to find the deletion log, though there isn't any (legit) reason given. Thanks, TomiG 18:08, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll pop by and leave a message on the home page of the person who deleted it MikesPlant 19:17, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * tis back now, it took him three whole minutes - which aint bad. MikesPlant 20:07, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Maybe I would like some info on football manager 2008 hull team and possibly best tactics and good cheap players.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.153.189.237 (talk) 16:19, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

2006 - referencing
The current article states: "Chairman Adam Pearson has stated his ambition to take Hull into the top flight for the first time in their history - and he believes Phil Parkinson is the manager to do it." Firstly, where's the reference point for the quote? Secondly, with Hull sat at the bottom of the Championship, it would be good to reference this now - Rgds, - Trident13 19:03, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

He's stated this numerous times - I'll add a reference if I can find one. Difficult with radio interviews though! Beve 11:46, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Boaz Myhill's nationality
Born in the USA to English parents, he grew up in England. So what nationality is he and which flag should go against his name? I think English, as I think he would only play for England - I know he's already turned down the opportunity to play for Wales. Thoughts? Beve 11:36, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * English MikesPlant 17:25, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

he is english as he has played for England under 20's even though he was born in America to an American father and english mother81.178.229.100 12:44, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Notable former players
I trimmed this list down a bit, for the following reasons:
 * I think it should be by nature be quite a brief list - the 'cream'.
 * I didn't feel that certain players were hugely notable - either for Hull City or in their own right. My feeling is that the list should comprise players who either are considered 'City legends' or who achieved at the highest level, before or after their City career.
 * If the player's Wikipedia entry was only a stub.

Apologies to the editor who put so much work into this. It's always going to be a subjective issue as to who is 'notable' and who isn't. I won't get into any edit wars on this; hopefully any disagreements can be sorted out on the talk page by getting a consensus view. There are also quite a few City Legends who don't yet have a Wikipedia entry - for example Billy Bly, Ken Wagstaff, Chris Chilton and Tony Norman. Beve 10:44, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

 * A lot of the players I added (like Clint Marcelle for example) were added because they have appeared Internationally for their country, that in itself makes a player notable.

 * Others such as Peter Barnes (footballer) has won PFA Young Player of the Year (as did Steve Moran) in his history as well as playing for Manchester United. David Brown (footballer) player over a 100 games for Hull City. John Downie is a notable player because he made over 100 appearences for Manchester United. Sam Weaver has been capped by the England national side...

 * These things assert the players notability. Of course they may not have been as great at City as elsewhere, but for extample Thierry Henry is mentioned as a notable former player at Juventus, as is David Beckham at Preston North End.

 * I'd have no problem if the people who were legends at City (who you mentioned) were added alongside these too. - Deathrocker 16:07, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Trivia
Hull is the largest city in Europe never to have had a club play in the top division of its national league.

What about Bonn / Bonner SC? Xmth 13:26, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. Apparently, there were 16 parallel divisions during the Third Reich and Bonn had two clubs in 'their' regional divison. Xmth 13:01, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Here's an article that discusses the issue . Beve (talk) 20:32, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Now it's 'Hull WAS the largest..." lol...but they'll be going straight back down! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.4.6.146 (talk) 21:42, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Needless to say, that obsolete fact was removed. Digifiend (talk) 13:05, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

This article http://www.hullcityonline.com/news/loadroll.asp?cid=EDZ1&id=392608 lays this rumour to rest. Hull never even came close to being the biggest city in Europe without a top flight football team. This article cites, for example, Ufa in Russia which has over a million people, plus another example in Wiesbaden in Germany. Mrobertsbcn (talk) 13:56, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Attendance
Is the attendance of 86,703 at Wembly the largest crowd that Hull City have ever played in front of? I think that it may be. LewisR (talk) 23:42, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Must be - it was the first time they'd ever played there, and Wembley has the largest capacity of any football ground in Britain! Digifiend (talk) 13:04, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

The thing is that Wembley isnt Hull's home ground 88.104.203.61 (talk) 15:17, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Featured Picture
Please visit Featured_picture_candidates/KC_Stadium_at_night if you are interested in having the picture of the KC Stadium raised to the status of featured picture or if you think that it definitely shouldn't be featured. Thanks, ...adam...  ( talk •  contributions ) 19:27, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Hull City badge.jpg
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 * Sorted. →Ollie (talk • contribs) 17:12, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Discussion
Why does the discussion content keep getting removed? This is accurate information, and not vandalism, —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghurkin (talk • contribs) 15:30, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It's getting deleted because the encyclopaedia requires that you cite reliable sources and not engage in original research.  Doonhamer  |  Banter  15:36, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Ghurkin 15:40, 13 September 2007 (UTC) There is original content in that.. The fact that Jay Jay Okocha posts on the board under the pseudonym Jonny_Boon

GA passed
I have passed the article, as I think it meets all the criteria, and is of a comparable standard to other sports team GAs. However, here are some ideas to improve the article further: I spy two red links. Auto-forward to Hull City A.F.C. Reserves and Academy? Digifiend (talk) 13:43, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Running through the article with a fine-toothed comb to improve the prose quality. Some useful advice for doing this is given at User:Tony1/How to satisfy Criterion 1a.
 * Remove extra links for articles which are linked multiple times e.g. Manchester United is linked four times. Similarly, ensure all football club links are piped to remove the F.C. or A.F.C. from view.✅
 * While not directly concerning this article, Hull City A.F.C. Reserves and Hull City A.F.C. Juniors could be merged; both articles are stubs and there is some repetition.✅
 * The picture of Boothferry Park could be better (assuming the ground is still standing) - trees and bushes make up more of the image than the stadium.✅
 * The record league finish could be mentioned at the relevant point in the history section. Oldelpaso 17:49, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Player Notability
I've removed deletion notices on a couple more current player's pages. The reason for deletion listed was that the player is not competing professionally at a top level. Hull will be playing in the Premier League this season, I don't know how much more top level you can get. Shuttered (talk) 19:48, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Billy Russell
Billy Russell is Scottish and is shown under past managers as English.

Could someone please change this as I am unable to as I have just registered to Wikipedia. (Benjybobs (talk) 11:59, 26 July 2008 (UTC))

 * Changed as requested Keith D (talk) 12:18, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

mishtake shurely?
"The club's greatest achievement in cup competitions was in 1930, when they reached the FA Cup semi-final.[7] The cup run saw Hull knocking out Leeds United and eventual Champions of the Second and Third Division; Blackpool and Plymouth Argyle respectively"

They never played Leeds in that cup run: FAC 3	Plymouth Argyle	 A	4-3, FAC 4	Blackpool	 H	3-1, FAC 5	Manchester City	 A	2-1, FAC 6	Newcastle United A	1-1, FAC 6R	Newcastle United H	1-0, FAC SF	Arsenal	         N	2-2, FAC SFR	Arsenal	         N	0-1.

Rabid robo (talk) 14:35, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Can you provide reference for that and for who Leeds played? Keith D (talk) 18:31, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

from http://www.thefa.com/templates/generic/Common/FACompetitionsHistory.aspx?NRMODE=Published&NRNODEGUID=%7bB32A2F3A-361E-4746-893C-DB8CD833C471%7d&NRORIGINALURL=%2fTheFACup%2fTheFACup%2fArchive%2f&NRCACHEHINT=Guest

3rd round Leeds United 8 -  1 Crystal Palace; 4th round West Ham United 4  -  1 Leeds United. Rabid robo (talk) 09:47, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the information - I have corrected the article. Keith D (talk) 11:43, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Kit colour
The kit looks a bit off-colour. --➨ Candlewicke :) Sign/Talk 21:59, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Did you mean the amber of the home kit? I made it a bit more vivid; it seems a better match to the colour in the badge now. Doonhamer (talk) 22:15, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Vandalising
I deleted a line above the history section which was writing: "Oliver Ashley and his Grandpa Support Hull City".I consider that as vandalizing and measures should be taken to prevent this from happening again in this article. Gunner0095 (talk) 19:54, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Campbell transfer
Please don't edit this page until both clubs confirm the signing. Having an offer accepted does not confirm a transfer by any stretch.Twsf (talk) 00:36, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Highest Transfer Fee Recieved
Still listed as Leon Cort even though Sam Ricketts' transfer to Bolton, although undisclosed, surpassed this. Has been reported as being between £2 and £2.5 Million —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.130.111 (talk) 23:49, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed - thanks.  BEVE  ( talk ) 11:50, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

somebody help me i am a good footballer my dream is to fo a good team like hull city any one to help just massaga me on omoboyetobi@yahoo.com i dont want my dream to diea with me  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.194.147.131 (talk) 13:27, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Wat.

Dowie
Iain Dowie isn't the club's manager - the manager is stil Phil Brown. Brown is on gardening leave. Dowie is a "temporary football management consultant". See http://www.hullcityafc.net/page/WhosWho/0,,10338,00.html and http://www.hullcityafc.net/page/NewsDetail/0,,10338~1994482,00.html which confirms Brown has been relieved of his duties and placed on gardening leave - but not sacked (first link - the club's Who's Who - still lists him as manager) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.212.47.102 (talk) 18:42, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Recent success section and date to change league
We should probably rename the Recent Success section in light of Hull's relegation from the Premier League. Or at least put in another paragraph dealing with the monetary issues, relegation and allegations of frivolous spending at the club. Seems misleading to effectively end the history of a club going into administration in a paragraph referencing success. Also, when should we change the box info showing it as a Championship club? — [ Unsigned comment added by 194.69.198.244 (talk • contribs) 11:15, 26 April 2010 (UTC).]
 * The changes to club infoboxes should wait until the official end of the season which is 31 July 30 June. We get the same problem each year and lots of reverting so we have agreed for end of the official season date as the date for articles to be changed to the new divisions. Keith D (talk) 12:25, 26 April 2010
 * Hi Keith, cheers for setting me straight on the Championship rating thing. I still think the recent success section should be updated though. The financial troubles of the club are well-document at this stage. Perhaps a section called "Recent Decline"? Or "Administration Procedures"? Let me know what you think and I'll draft up a paragraph or two with all the necessary citations.
 * —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.69.198.242 (talk • contribs) 12:50, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I would think that there should be a paragraph about the last 2 seasons in the premier division and the struggle near the foot of the table, leading to the Phil Brown/Iain Dowie situation and relegation (even though not confirmed yet I cannot see it not happening as they need 2 wins and a shed full of goals to stop it). The financial troubles with the previous chairman could also be brought up here. Not sure what would be best to call it though, others may have a thought if you put something in the article. The newer paragraph at the bottom of the present "Recent success" section would probably be best in the newly headed section. Keith D (talk) 16:24, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I've renamed the "Recent success" section to "The 21st century: promotion, top flight football, and beyond". Perhaps a bit wordy/corny, but addresses the issue for now. I'll give some thought to a new section as Keith suggests too. Northumbrian (talk) 17:51, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Experimenting with subsections now. Northumbrian (talk) 18:00, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Keith D and I have been discussing the league change question on his talk page, and we thought it might be a good idea to recommend the date to change the league in which a promoted or relegated English club plays in on 1 July, when the official new season starts, in the talk page on the football club infobox template. Northumbrian (talk) 22:16, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Managerial status, May 2010
It looks like there's some question about the actual status of Phil Brown and Iain Dowie now that league play has ended. The club's official website indicates that Brown is still the manager and that Dowie is still the temporary football management consultant. Pippin0490 has updated the article to reflect the information given in this Hull and East Riding Daily Mail piece, that calls Brown the "former boss" (and thus implying that the manager position is indeed vacant) and that Dowie's position ended yesterday with the last game of the season.

Personally, I feel the official website to be the more reliable source, though admittedly often slow to update, and that we can't go wrong using its version, but am certainly happy to discuss the matter and see what other regular contributors think. Northumbrian (talk) 23:18, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I would probably go with the Hull City web site as Brown is still on gardening leave and as far as I know Dowie has a contract until next weekend. There are rumours that they will go without a manager for 2 months and Dowie has offered to stay unpaid for 2 months if he gets the job for next season. Keith D (talk) 23:31, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Latest from the Hull Daily Mail here & here. Keith D (talk) 08:34, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Interesting. Seems the situation is still very fluid. The official website also has the changes for Pearson and Bartlett now, but still lists Dowie and Brown as managing consultant and manager.
 * I still prefer the version as listed on the OWS but it seems the situation can change on a moment's notice. Northumbrian (talk) 12:51, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Section for former players?
It looks like there's now a section for former players. That seems a bit open-ended without any sort of criteria for inclusion. The current style page doesn't have a provision for former players, though there's a link there to this (somewhat dated) template that includes a section for noted players (again, no criteria).

Any thoughts? Northumbrian (talk) 18:03, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I see Keith's removed the section. I'm fine with that, was wondering though whether it might be worth pursuing some sort of noted players section if criteria can be established? Northumbrian (talk) 18:06, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The section only had one name in it and it was not formatted correctly. It may be best to have a separate article on notable former players along the lines of List of York City F.C. players, which is a featured list, and then just have a section header with main template pointing to it. Appears that most clubs have a list like this see Category:Lists of association football players by club. Keith D (talk) 19:03, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Current Staff
I belive that the page would look more professional with the table, which is why I was wondering if you would be happy to revert back to the table, so long as the references which you mentioned were included in the new table. Dowietiger (talk) 20:15, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I like the look of the table too. Like I mention on your talk page, the only concern I see there is verifying the national flag icon correct for some persons in the list. As there likely isn't as much interest or need to know the nationality for other staff members as there is for players and managers, perhaps you could try the table format but leave out the national flag icons, while also leaving the current references in place. Northumbrian (talk) 20:34, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I will try the table without the national flags and see if it looks any goodDowietiger (talk) 15:47, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Definitely looks better than the bulleted list and is consistent with the other sections now, cheers for that. I'd just suggest again working on getting in the habit of using the edit summary when saving an edit. Northumbrian (talk) 17:38, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about the edit summary, the reason I did'nt fill it in is that I am not totally sure what I should writeDowietiger (talk) 20:05, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * In this case, something like Moving current staff from bullet list format to table format for consistency would have been okay, or something else brief and accurate. You can look at the article's edit history to see how edit summaries show up there and get some ideas on how to write them (like Beve's recent edit to correct spelling, his edit summary just said spellcheck). Edit summaries also appear on people's watchlists, and a lot of other interested editors have this article on their watchlist (like I do), so they can see when people are editing it. Very often, vandals don't leave edit summaries, so someone making a lot of edits to an article without explanatory edit summaries on the article history or someone's watchlist might be a sign of possible vandalism. Anyway, just another reason for regular editors to make use of them. Thanks again. Northumbrian (talk) 21:08, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I was just looking at the resent changes to the staff list, and I noticed that Steve Parkin is no longer on the list, despite the fact he still works for the club, is there a reason for thisDowietiger (talk) 15:20, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Because the primary source given for that section is the Official Website "Who's Who" list. Steve Parkin is not listed there, so he is not listed in the section. That reason appears in the page's edit history under in the edit summaries. I'd advise checking the page's edit history to see the reasons given for specific edits in the edit summaries. Northumbrian (talk) 15:25, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

I notice that there has been some new names added to the current staff table, and I was just wondering whether they are really nesessary, I think we should just have the main staff members, and not people like the youth development administrator.Dowietiger (talk) 11:31, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Current Players and Staff sections in the article
With N. Pearson and his staff coming in and the summer transfer activity starting among the players, these sections in the article are going to need updating fairly often.

The primary source for both sections listed in the references is the club's official website (OWS):

 * the Profiles page for the players
 * Who's Who at the KC for the staff

A few staff members not listed on the OWS have their own references.

As has been pointed out, and as I acknowledge, the OWS isn't always updated in a timely manner, and can be out-of-date. For instance, as Beve points out on my talk page, Boateng and JVoH are indeed no longer with the club, but as of this moment, they are still listed on the OWS Profiles page.

Personally, I don't find the delays in the OWS being updated to be troublesome; to me, this falls within the very first sentence of Wikipedia's Verifiability policy, and it's usually no longer than a day or two. However, if other editors want to updated the players list using secondary sources for player transfers, please feel free (for instance, Sky Sports' player list for the club is already up-to-date with regard to JVoH (but not Boateng)). Other editors' thoughts are welcome. Northumbrian (talk) 18:02, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Updating the kits for 2010-2011?
Anybody with any experience updating the kit templates feel like taking a stab at it now that both home and away are revealed? I'd do it but I don't even know where to start. If someone can point to the guidance on it, I'd be willing to have a go though. Northumbrian (talk) 13:37, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe this is sorted now. Northumbrian (talk) 18:24, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

New Former Players List
Hi there, just looked at the new former players list and I like the fact that the page now has one, but I think we should place it on a separate page with a link to it underneath the current squad table, as I feel the new list is rather long and now adds a lot of extra lenght to the main page.Dowietiger (talk) 18:42, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Good point. I think that's a great idea; this article might serve as a model. The list needs sourcing, however. I contacted the editor who added the list and requested he add his reference. He did so, but it looks like he used Wikipedia as his source, which isn't considered reliable, and so Keith D reverted them.
 * What we might consider doing is move the list to a subpage of this talk page, and then interested editors work on finding reliable sources. Once that's done, we could then move it to its own article. How does that sound? Northumbrian (talk) 19:23, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I like the idea of a separate article as it is how other clubs handle this and a number of lists are now featured. Keith D (talk) 21:32, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I guess the main sources will be -
 * Keith D (talk) 21:41, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keith D (talk) 21:41, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keith D (talk) 21:41, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi again, I agree with your idea above as I have looked at some of the premier league clubs pages, and how they handle their notable players section, and all of them have a separate subpage below the current squad article.Dowietiger (talk) 21:51, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I see Keith's invited the list creator to this discussion on his talk page; hopefully he'll turn up and chime in. Thanks for tracking down the references Keith; do you or anyone else have access to them?
 * Barring any objections, I can move the list to a subpage this weekend and start working on formatting it as a standalone article along the lines of the York City article, unless someone else wants to get going on it before then (am traveling for work this week and can't do much heavy-duty editing until after I get home tomorrow). Northumbrian (talk) 17:44, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, sorry about not commenting earlier I've been busy. I think it would be fine to move it to a new article, and I also agree with Northumbrian's suggestion about a subpage. Thanks for the sources, Keith, I couldn't find anywhere on the internet with the appearance records, so I wonder where the Wikipedia articles that I did get the info from are sourced from? Would be happy to help with formatting it as a standalone article aswell. WilliamF1two (talk) 18:57, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I guess Mattythewhite has the first as they used it heavily in revamping the List of Hull City A.F.C. seasons article and getting it to FL, I have the second.
 * The sub-page is probably a good idea until it is ready for release so that it does not get deleted while work is in progress. May be worth looking through the other FL lists of this type to see if there are any other good ideas that we can incorporate into the article. Keith D (talk) 19:06, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Cheers everyone, home now so can start on this over the weekend. Great idea to start this list William and another one to move it to its own article DT. Cheers. Northumbrian (talk) 22:54, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Here's the new talk page subpage; All I did was move the existing list there, current format and all. Here's also the category for existing football club player lists; I sampled a few English clubs lists and they mostly seem to follow a basic table format. The York City list might be a good format to look at for ideas, along with any other Featured Article lists as Keith suggests.

Seems now to be a matter of taking the raw data William supplied and formatting and referencing it. I think we can all help with the formatting, though it might fall to Keith (and Mattie, if he's interested) to do much of the sourcing. Northumbrian (talk) 14:17, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks Northumbrian. For a start, if we are going to do this like the York City list, then the first thing we should do is delete the first section (Players with international caps), as this doesn't come into the list. WilliamF1two (talk) 17:29, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Liam Cooper
Does anyone know if Liam Cooper is back from loan as cannot locate any news on this. Carlisle still appear to include him in their squad though indicate the loan was until 9 February. Keith D (talk) 18:20, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Player of the Season
I've just updated the relevant pages with Anthony Gerrard having been named City's POTY. Is there any agreement on the photo used. I realise Turner won the award twice, but so did Elliot, and we're not showing his photo.

Should we add a picture of Elliot, or replace Turner with Gerrard? Seems a little strange to keep a picture up of a player who left us nearly two years ago. Ph 1980 (talk) 20:34, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Away kit
Anyone a dab hand with the kit boxes? Here is the new away kit for 2010–11 season. Keith D (talk) 16:29, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Squad table format
A discussion is being held here on the possibility of rolling out a new squad template. The new template, named football squad player2, differs from the standard squad layout in several ways:
 * It features a sort function
 * Comes in a single column format that can be understood by screen readers.
 * Single column format ensures that low resolution browsers, including mobile devices, do not get part or all of the second column cut off.
 * Single column format ensures less clutter, particularly at lower resolutions, for wide sections such as the Arsenal loan section.
 * It gives nationality its own column; at present flags are featured in a blank, untitled column
 * It complies with Wikipedia's guidance on flag usage.
 * It leaves enough space to add images of current players, an example of which can be seen at Watford F.C.

It is proposed that the new template be added to some of Wikipedia's most high-profile club articles, which might include. To give your thoughts, please read and contribute to the discussion at WikiProject Football.

Regards, Edinburgh   Wanderer  19:40, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The compressed format with multi columns is far better than having the squad in a single column. We have the references in multi-columns so that should not be a problem that people seem to think it is. Keith D (talk) 21:58, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Home kit
Anyone a dab hand with the kit boxes? Here is the new home kit for the 2012–13 season. Keith D (talk) 12:34, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Away kit
New 2012–13 away kit is available here if anyone can update the kit box appropriatly. Keith D (talk) 10:38, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Third Kit
The sky blue away kit from last season is this season's third kit, why is it not included in the article? Mongobongohongo (talk) 00:43, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Player milestones?
I'm not certain if this has been raised before, I had a quick read through this talk page and saw some talk of it so I do apologise if I am just repeating old discussions.

I was wondering if this page could benefit from a "player milestone" section, similar to what is on the, very impressive, AFC Wimbledon page from here to here. Though for this page one could possibly change the "over 100 appearances" to a higher number considering the higher number of years Hull City has been around.

Pippin0490 (talk) 10:00, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

 * There was a section for former players that was removed back in 2010 in order to get the article up to GA status, there is an earlier section above on this. The idea was to create an article on the players similar to the List of York City F.C. players but this did not get very far but could be resurrected. It was started at Talk:Hull City A.F.C./List of Hull City A.F.C. players with the intention of moving to article space once suitable. The user who started it does not appear to be around much. Keith D (talk) 11:08, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

 * Ah yes, I see. I think this would be a good idea, I'll add it to my "to do list" though I doubt I'll have enough time to do it for a while yet. Hopefully once the page gets started more people will join in.

Pippin0490 (talk) 11:30, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Club honour - minor honours,
Again, I am taking inspiration from the AFC Wimbledon wiki page. But could a list of minor honours be added to the list of club honours? Such as here.

I am aware of a fair few minor honours Hull City have won over the years, but I have far, far from the full list. If a full list can be found (I'm sure I've seen at least one somewhere on the internet) would it be worth including? Just a suggestion.

Pippin0490 (talk) 10:04, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Club history - Hull Comets.
I recall reading that prior to Hull City AFC forming as a professional team in 1904, that the previous amateur team was established under the name 'Hull Comets' and that this club became Hull City. On some other teams wiki pages it will say:

Founded: 1892 as "previous name" Such as Bolton Wanderers F.C.

or

Founded: 1892 (originally as "previous name" in 1881)

Problem is that I have been unable to find any information about the Hull Comets other than that they became Hull City in 1904 (http://thebeautifulhistory.wordpress.com/clubs/hull-city/) "Hull City started out in life as Hull Comets and evolved into Hull City, when they turned professional in 1904". So the only way to possibly include this is to just mention it at the beginning of the 'Club History' section (like the article) and/or add - Founded: 1904 (previously/formerly/originally Hull Comets*)

 * I still think a date here would look better, for example: Founded 1904 (formerly/originally Hull Comets 1884)

Again, just a suggestion and at very least could be added to the start of 'club history', for example:

Hull City Association Football Club was founded in June 1904. For some years previously, attempts had been made to found a professional football club, but this proved difficult because the city was then dominated by rugby league teams such as Hull FC and Hull Kingston Rovers. Only an amateur team known as Hull Comets (which became Hull City in 1904 when they turned professional) could be established.

Pippin0490 (talk) 10:18, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

According to The Rough Guide to English Football (Dan Goldstein, 2000): 'starting out in life as Hull Comets and evolving into Hull Association FC, the team assumed the name of a defunct amateur side, Hull City, when they turned professional in 1904, and began playing on Hull FC's ground.' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.205.227.166 (talk) 12:20, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Name change
A discussion has been started at Hull City Tigers on this. Keith D (talk) 11:52, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * And it has been done. Mr. Mario (talk) 01:57, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 20 August 2013
Hull City page not been updated properly but protected by pedantic people - why? Huddlestone is the new record signing and people not allocated squad numbers still on there. Sort it out or let others do so.

5.198.4.75 (talk) 16:25, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The Huddleston fee is only reportedly as it is officially undisclosed so cannot be placed as the highest fee paid. The unnumbered players are still with the club and so should appear on the list. Keith D (talk) 21:51, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Dougie Wilson and Joe Cracknell are not in the Hull City 1st team squad. They don't have a squad number - nor will they get one this year. Why then do you keep insisting they are listed? Why not list every single player in the youth team? Why not list every single person in the world? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.253.2 (talk) 12:47, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

@83.100.253.2; Dougie Wilson and Joe Cracknell are currently in the Hull City squad. They currently play in the reserve team but they haven't been given a kit number yet or maybe not this year like you said, but it doesn't mean that they are not in the squad altogether. Calum Jahraldo-Martin, Aaron McLean & Cameron Stewart (who is out on loan right now) almost didn't receive a kit number due to playing in the reserve team with Joe Cracknell & Dougie Wilson. They was lucky to get one this year by getting a chance to play in the League Cup against Leyton Orient. But Joe Cracknell & Dougie Wilson were the only players who didn't play in the league cup. So at this moment in time, they still don't have a kit number unless they get a chance in the league cup or other competitions this year. The only problem is that we need a page for Hull City's Youth Team so that can not confuse the squad altogether. HullCityTiger33 (talk) 18:00, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

 * Hi. There is a problem here, because the source that the article is using does not list either Cracknell or Wilson. Nor does Transfermarkt.co.uk (see here). This transfermarkt page identifies Cracknell as in Hull U19, not the main team. (Searching for Wilson there didn't help, as there's another Dougie Wilson). The best I could come up with was this listing at Sky Sports, where both are named but unnumbered. This at soccerbase lists Wilson's acquisition by Hull and brief loan to Grimsby, but does not resolve the question of inclusion in the squad. So this is looking a bit like original research, I'm afraid, as the sources used do not bear out the statement. Could you review please? --Stfg (talk) 18:46, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

 * Further note: I've asked at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football for another opinion on this as I'm uneasy about including players who are not named in the sources. --Stfg (talk) 21:30, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

 * No advice has been given there, so I'm going to have to take a view. The Verifiability policy states: "Wikipedia does not publish original research. Its content is determined by previously published information rather than the beliefs or experiences of its editors. Even if you're sure something is true, it must be verifiable before you can add it." The fact that the club's own web site (our main source) does not list these two players in the squad seems conclusive to me. @HullCityTiger33, we should distiguish between being in the squad and merely being on the payroll. You say they currently play in the reserve team. That may be different from being in the squad. I think we have to remove them from the list, and I will do that now. --Stfg (talk) 12:26, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 26 September 2013
Cracknell and Wilson are not in the squad. They should not be on the page.

83.100.253.2 (talk) 14:48, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done:. I am closing this one as not done, but will in a moment comment on the previous one so as to keep the discussion in one place. --Stfg (talk) 18:33, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

 * Yes check.svg Done. Done now, per Verifiability. Please see the previous section for the reasoning. --Stfg (talk) 12:29, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Reducing long sections
First off, it seems like we have enough material to breakout a separate article for Renaming of Hull City AFC or something like that. Right now, it's one big section, giving it undue weight and overemphasis on recent news.

Second, why do we have a huge history section when we already have a separate history article? Is it possible to condense it? Mosmof (talk) 13:31, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

 * I second the renaming having a separate article. Be bold on the history and condense it. '''tAD''' (talk) 15:46, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
 * This was tried in March when the page Renaming of Hull City A.F.C. was created but people felt that it was not notable enough for a separate article so was deleted and the material restored here. Keith D (talk) 20:23, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Hull Tigers Ltd.
In the introduction, it says that the club requested a change in name to Hull Tigers Ltd.

Surely this is inaccurate. I have no data to hand, but to my understanding, the club's holding company name has been changed to Hull Tigers - that is a business situation away from the team. The request to the FA was to change the playing name to Hull Tigers. The Ltd is a business suffix, and would not have been part of the club's request.

Surely this section should simply read Hull Tigers, not Hull Tigers Ltd. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ph 1980 (talk • contribs) 23:28, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Kits
Can anyone update the home kit for the new season - see for details? Keith D (talk) 17:38, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

jahraldo-martin
not in the squad, so why are pedantic people putting him in there? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.248.212 (talk) 15:53, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Still waiting for answers re this... Still waiting for answers re this... Still waiting.... Still waiting for answers from those who cannot face the truth... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.248.212 (talk) 10:07, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

still waiting for answers re caluam jahraldo-martin, are no answers forthcoming as they know I am right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.248.212 (talk) 09:56, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

still waiting for answers re jahraldo-martin...ignoring me will not resolve this by the way — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.248.212 (talk) 09:53, 23 October 2014 (UTC) Still waiting still waiting still waiting... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.248.212 (talk) 13:04, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

still waiting for reasons why jahraldo-martin is in the squad list when the official club page says he isn't. Asked re this numerous times, but the self-appointed experts on here fail to provide answers... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.248.212 (talk) 08:22, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

still waiting re jahraldo-martin... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.248.212 (talk) 09:00, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Can someone update the page???????????????????????????? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.248.212 (talk) 11:21, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

 * The fact he is on loan at another club from Hull City should be enough evidence that he IS with the club. You have been linked to the BBC website for proof, which you claimed isn't good enough before ignoring it, it was then explained to you that your own personal opinion of the BBC is irrelevent, which you also ignore. You have also had it explained why he is listed on the main page and not just the development squad, which you stated that, somehow, his nationality not being "good enough" in your opinion means he shouldn't be listed and then you ignore. Further proof can be found on the Hull City Official Site, the only site you have given your stamp of approval to, if you look up reserves/development squad match reports that clearly show that he is part of the squad. This matter has been discussed and fully explained to you countless times and you continue to ignore this, edit war, make up nonsense about being bullied, harrased etc and generally cause a nuisance. This is why almost nobody will reply to you, simply it is a waste of time as it is like talking to a brick wall.Pawac (talk) 11:45, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

ben arfa gone - still listed. no one taking responsibility for this page anymore... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.248.212 (talk) 21:32, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Amber
In the intro, it states Roary as the mascot. Shouldn't Amber be added alongside him? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hullcity6678 (talk • contribs) 20:50, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I have added - though could do with a source for mascots, apart from pictures. Keith D (talk) 01:39, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Home kit
The new home kit for the 2015–16 season is here if anyone can update the kit appropriately. Keith D (talk) 18:20, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Matty Dixon is not a forward. Conor Townsend is not 5ft 6in tall. Both errors listed on the page as it stands. A consequence of the page being the plaything of a selected elite? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.172.38 (talk) 14:54, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Maloney is number 15 - yet not updated, is anyone bothering with this page any more? It is an absolute disgrace that it has become the domain of a select few who can't be bothered to update things. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.172.38 (talk) 15:38, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Page not been updated, why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.172.38 (talk) 10:40, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Hull City page being left abandoned...what an absolute disgrace — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.172.38 (talk) 17:00, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Conor Townsend left the club...no one updating this page. Shameful...

Matty Dixon left the club. Yet the elite who use this page as their own plaything can't be bothered to update it whilst not allowing those who can be bothered to participate. The on going disgrace that is this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.102.11.170 (talk) 22:18, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Player Addition
Josh Tymon needs adding to the first team. He has trained with them for the best part of January and has made his debut playing 80 minutes in the FA Cup he is number 33 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.246.123.211 (talk) 18:16, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 March 2016
Place brackets on IPA, so that it doesn't come up on Google searches.

92.10.232.211 (talk) 22:31, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅Thanks for note. I have added brackets as requested. Keith D (talk) 23:53, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 18:26, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

2016–17 kits
Is there anyone who can update the kits for the new season?
 * Home kit details
 * Away kit details

Thanks. Keith D (talk) 18:15, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Dates
I can't edit it as it's semi protected but the dates on the manager section say 1016 instead of 2016. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AliJDB (talk • contribs) 01:29, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for spotting the error, I have corrected it. Keith D (talk) 01:35, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Mike Phelan
Can I suggest that Mike Phelan's caretaker spell be merged with his actual managerial period at the club. Neither Billy Russell nor Wilf McGuinness, the other two people marked as a caretaker manager subsequently went on to be a full-time manager of the club. Both Phil Brown (December 2006) and Nick Barmby (November-December 2012) had caretaker spells before finally being appointed which are now counted as part of their managerial period. I know Phelan had an epic caretaker spell, but I think it is more appropriate for this page to look at Phelan's era as a whole. Ph 1980 (talk) 00:51, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

 * If no one has any complaints I'm going to merge the two entries tomorrow. Ph 1980 (talk) 22:21, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

 * Personally I would keep them separate, but if you do then you should make some notes that part of this was as caretaker or else it is giving false information. Keith D (talk) 22:43, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

It's a shame the self-appointed elite - none of whom are Hull City fans - who have commandeered this page for themselves then subsequently can't be bothered to update things. Rodgers, Ter Horst and now McGregor- all on loan elsewhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.236.70 (talk) 19:03, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Lack of editing from self-appointed non Hull City fans who have co-opted this page for themselves
It's a shame the self-appointed elite - none of whom are Hull City fans - who have commandeered this page for themselves then subsequently can't be bothered to update things. Rodgers, Ter Horst and now McGregor- all on loan elsewhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.236.70 (talk) 22:19, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Harvey Rodgers
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38485637

Been gone 17 days if the self-appointed non-Hull City fans can be bothered to update the page...

page not being updated - why?
Why is the page not being updated? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.236.70 (talk) 12:30, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Hull City logo issue on Google caused by this.
When you go on google and search up hull city. As their logo it shows the old logo from 2012. This misleads people who search up Hull city and think that old logo is our actually logo. So I tried to change this, by deleting the incorrect image and replacing it. But one editor says this is not allowed. Please stop this, I am trying to put the correct Hull City logo,up on google which is caused by this. Brandon39524 (talk) 23:59, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Please do not delate this picture it is for certain reasons, so it is the coorect logo on google for Hull City.
Please don't Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brandon39524 (talk • contribs) 00:09, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

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Current Squad: the website from the Hull City team page now says that Stephen Kingsley has taken the number 28 shirt which is currently not updated in that section. 86.155.225.3 (talk) 14:42, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 4 September 2018
Hull City were defeated 1-7 by Tottenham Hotspur in the Premier League on 21 May 2017, so the claim in the Records and Statistics section that their heaviest top-flight defeat was a 6-1 loss to Liverpool in 26 September 2009 is now inaccurate. Please change the record from the 6-1 loss to Liverpool to the 1-7 loss to Tottenham. Source: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/39912022 Waikintsui (talk) 13:44, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done, thank you. Gulumeemee (talk) 03:35, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

2019 Crest
Is there anyway that the new crest can be uploaded onto wikipedia now, since the club have now adopted it on their website and on social media? Ph 1980 (talk) 19:38, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Record transfer - update
Jarrod Bowen is the new club record transfer fee received for a leaving player (£18M + up to £7M in add-ons) from West Ham United (31.01.2020) - replacing Shane Long. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.176.101.122 (talk) 22:48, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Abel Hernandez is listed as the club's record signing; Ryan Mason is the club's record signing, joining from Tottenham Hotspur for £13m in August 2016. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.23.42.83 (talk) 17:21, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 April 2021
remove league 1 under league and replace it with Vanarama National league North Rivals1222222 (talk) 20:51, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 1 May 2021
Honours and achievements: Hull City have just been confirmed champions of the 2020-21 EFL League One season, their first divisional league title since 1966. Please update. 79.73.96.236 (talk) 16:27, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done --Ferien (talk) 18:35, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Incorrect squad
Incorrect squad currently listed and no one allowed to change it due to it only being able to be touched by a select few... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.249.184.79 (talk • contribs) 18:44, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The squad changes are made on 1 July when the contracts of existing players have expired and incoming players actually start their contracts. Keith D (talk) 19:59, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 September 2021
Tyler Smith's squad number has been put on the Hull City website as 22. Thedinglad (talk) 18:48, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅Interesting Geek (talk) 19:00, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Kits
Is there anyone who could add the home and third kits for the 2021–22 season?

 * Home kit
 * Third kit

Keith D (talk) 22:45, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 January 2022
Remove current managers name everywhere as he left (grant mcccann) 194.207.126.175 (talk) 17:41, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. PianoDan (talk) 20:32, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Archive photos
How do I send to the archive section an old photo of Hull City football team from 1911 which features my great grandfather in the team photo 213.205.197.128 (talk) 13:58, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * See c:Commons:Upload for uploading files. Keith D (talk) 00:11, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Kit update
Can anyone update the socks for the away kit as they should have 4 stripes as per arms of sleeves rather than all white. Keith D (talk) 15:44, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 November 2022
In "Coaching positions" change update date to 3 November 2022, when Liam Rosenior was appointed, text modified but date not changed. 86.187.173.30 (talk) 15:01, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

 * ✅ Thanks for your request. Actualcpscm (talk) 20:29, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Club Management Section
Within the section named above the role description needs changing to Academy Manager and Jon Beale is no longer at the club https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/football/hull-city-academy-beale-exit-4296947 and has been replaced by Richard Naylor https://www.wearehullcity.co.uk/club/academy/academy-staff/staff/staff-members/richard-naylor/

The community element needs to be on a sepeted table box and the community lead is Tigers Trust and the Cheif Executive Officer is Catherine Bishop https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/first-look-inside-tigers-trust-5380887.amp User19901234 (talk) 06:19, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reporting the problem with the article. I have changed Jon Beale to Richard Naylor and made a note in 2020–21 season article. The community position does not really fit here, may be a short paragraph on the Tigers Trust is needed. Could create a separate article for more detailed information. Keith D (talk) 18:12, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 July 2023
Delete "majorly" from "majorly improved" in relation to Liam Rosenior's perceived improvement of the club's position. "Majorly" is slang in UK English, and in this case is redundant as the sentence reads perfectly well without it, and is more neutral. 86.169.132.22 (talk) 11:04, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done No "majorly improved" in text Lightoil (talk) 12:28, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I think the IP was referring to "majorly strengthened". I have removed word. Keith D (talk) 15:54, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Hull City Badge
The dates for the Hull City badge use are incorrect. The crest listed as used from 1979 to 1998 was only used from 1999 to 2001.

The badge listed as used from 1998 to 2014 was actually used from 2001 to 2014.

Please amend. 2A00:23C6:9310:6C01:7456:249B:BE93:8AD0 (talk) 22:34, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

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Tootie

Tootie may refer to:

People

 * Albert Heath (1935–2024), American jazz drummer
 * Allison Montana (1922–2005), New Orleans Mardi Gras icon
 * Tootie Perry (1896–1946), American college football player
 * Tootie Robbins (1958–2020), American former National Football League player
 * Tootie Smith (born 1957), American politician

Fictional characters

 * Tootie Ramsey, played by Kim Fields on the sitcom The Facts of Life
 * Tootie (The Fairly OddParents), a major character on the animated TV series The Fairly OddParents
 * "Tootie" Smith, in the 1944 MGM musical Meet Me in St. Louis, played by child actress Margaret O'Brien

Other uses

 * "Tootie", a 1996 song by Hootie & the Blowfish from Fairweather Johnson

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Elizabethan architecture

Elizabethan architecture refers to buildings of a certain medieval style constructed during the reign of Queen Elizabeth I of England and Ireland from 1558 to 1603. Historically, the era sits between the long era of the dominant architectural style of religious buildings by the Catholic Church, which ended abruptly at the Dissolution of the Monasteries from c. 1536, and the advent of a court culture of pan-European artistic ambition under James I (1603–1625). Stylistically, Elizabethan architecture is notably pluralistic. It came at the end of insular traditions in design and construction called the Perpendicular style in church building, the fenestration, vaulting techniques, and open truss designs of which often affected the detail of larger domestic buildings. However, English design had become open to the influence of early printed architectural texts (namely Vitruvius and Leon Battista Alberti) imported to England by members of the church as early as the 1480s. Into the 16th century, illustrated continental pattern-books introduced a wide range of architectural exemplars, fueled by the archaeology of Ancient Rome which inspired myriad printed designs of increasing elaboration and abstraction.

As church building turned to the construction of great houses for courtiers and merchants, these novelties accompanied a nostalgia for native history as well as huge divisions in religious identity, plus the influence of continental mercantile and civic buildings. Insular traditions of construction, detail and materials never entirely disappeared. These varied influences on patrons who could favor conservatism or great originality confound attempts to neatly classify Elizabethan architecture. This era of cultural upheaval and fusions corresponds to what is often termed Mannerism and Late Cinquecento in Italy, French Renaissance architecture in France, and the Plateresque style in Spain.

In contrast to her father Henry VIII, Elizabeth commissioned no new royal palaces, and very few new churches were built, but there was a great boom in building domestic houses for the well-off, largely due to the redistribution of ecclesiastical lands after the Dissolution. The most characteristic type, for the very well-off, is the showy prodigy house, using styles and decoration derived from Northern Mannerism, but with elements retaining signifies of medieval castles, such as the normally busy roof-line.

History
The Elizabethan era saw growing prosperity, and contemporaries remarked on the pace of secular building among the well-off. The somewhat tentative influence of Renaissance architecture is mainly seen in the great houses of courtiers, but lower down the social scale large numbers of sizeable and increasingly comfortable houses were built in developing vernacular styles by farmers and townspeople. Civic and institutional buildings were also becoming increasingly common.

Renaissance architecture had achieved some influence in England during the reign of, and mainly in the palaces of, Henry VIII, who imported a number of Italian artists. Unlike Henry, Elizabeth built no new palaces, instead encouraging her courtiers to build extravagantly and house her on her summer progresses. The style they adopted was more influenced by the Northern Mannerism of the Low countries than Italy, among other features it used versions of the Dutch gable, and Flemish strapwork in geometric designs. Both of these features can be seen on the towers of Wollaton Hall and again at Montacute House. Flemish craftsmen succeeded the Italians that had influenced Tudor architecture; the original Royal Exchange, London (1566–1570) is one of the first important buildings designed by Henri de Paschen, an architect from Antwerp. However, most continental influences came from books, and there were a number of English "master masons" who were in effect architects and in great demand, so that their work is often widely spread around the country.

Important examples of Elizabethan architecture include:
 * Audley End
 * Blickling Hall
 * Charterhouse (London)
 * Condover Hall (Shropshire)
 * Danny House
 * Hatfield House
 * Longleat House
 * Wollaton Hall
 * Rainthorpe Hall

In England, the Renaissance first manifested itself mainly in the distinct form of the prodigy house, large, square, and tall houses such as Longleat House, built by courtiers who hoped to attract the queen for a ruinously expensive stay, and so advance their careers. Often these buildings have an elaborate and fanciful roofline, hinting at the evolution from medieval fortified architecture.

It was also at this time that the long gallery became popular (for the Aristocracy) in English houses. This was apparently mainly used for walking in, and a growing range of parlours and withdrawing rooms supplemented the main living room for the family, the great chamber. The great hall was now mostly used by the servants, and as an impressive point of entry to the house.

Surveyors (architects) active in this period

 * Robert Adams (1540–1595)
 * William Arnold (fl. 1595–1637)
 * Simon Basil (fl. 1590–1615)
 * Robert Lyminge (fl. 1607–1628)
 * Robert Smythson (1535–1614)
 * John Thorpe or Thorp (c. 1565–1655?; fl.1570–1618)

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Cold war (term)

A cold war is a state of conflict between nations that does not involve direct military action but is pursued primarily through economic and political actions, propaganda, acts of espionage or proxy wars waged by surrogates. This term is most commonly used to refer to the American-Soviet Cold War of 1947–1989. The surrogates are typically states that are satellites of the conflicting nations, i.e., nations allied to them or under their political influence. Opponents in a cold war will often provide economic or military aid, such as weapons, tactical support or military advisors, to lesser nations involved in conflicts with the opposing country.

Origins of the term
The expression "cold war" was rarely used before 1945. Some writers credit the fourteenth century Spaniard Don Juan Manuel for first using the term (in Spanish) regarding the conflict between Christianity and Islam; however the term employed was "tepid" rather than "cold". The word "cold" first appeared in a faulty translation of his work in the 19th century.

In 1934, the term was used in reference to a faith healer who received medical treatment after being bitten by a snake. The newspaper report referred to medical staff's suggestion that faith had played a role in his survival as a "truce in the cold war between science and religion".

Regarding its contemporary application to a conflict between nation-states, the phrase appears for the first time in English in an anonymous editorial published in The Nation Magazine in March 1938 titled "Hitler's Cold War". The phrase was then used sporadically in newspapers throughout the summer of 1939 to describe the nervous tension and spectre of arms-buildup and mass-conscription prevailing on the European continent (above all in Poland) on the eve of World War II. It was described as either a "cold war" or a "hot peace" in which armies were amassing in many European countries. Graham Hutton, Associate Editor of The Economist used the term in his essay titled "The Next Peace" published in the August 1939 edition of The Atlantic Monthly (today The Atlantic). It elaborated on the notion of cold war perhaps more than any English-language invocation of the term to that point, and garnered a least one sympathetic reaction in a subsequent newspaper column. The Poles claimed that this period involved "provocation by manufactured incidents." It was also speculated that cold war tactics by the Germans could weaken Poland's resistance to invasion.

During the war, the term was also used in less lasting ways, for example to describe the prospect of winter warfare, or in opinion columns encouraging American politicians to make a cool-headed assessment before deciding whether to join the war or not.

At the end of World War II, George Orwell used the term in the essay "You and the Atom Bomb" published on October 19, 1945, in the British magazine Tribune. Contemplating a world living in the shadow of the threat of nuclear war, he warned of a "peace that is no peace", which he called a permanent "cold war". Orwell directly referred to that war as the ideological confrontation between the Soviet Union and the Western powers. Moreover, in The Observer of March 10, 1946, Orwell wrote that "[a]fter the Moscow conference last December, Russia began to make a 'cold war' on Britain and the British Empire."

The definition which has now become fixed is of a war waged through indirect conflict. The first use of the term in this sense, to describe the post–World War II geopolitical tensions between the USSR and its satellites and the United States and its western European allies, is attributed to Bernard Baruch, an American financier and presidential advisor. In South Carolina, on April 16, 1947, he delivered a speech (by journalist Herbert Bayard Swope) saying, "Let us not be deceived: we are today in the midst of a cold war." Newspaper reporter-columnist Walter Lippmann gave the term wide currency, with the book Cold War (1947).

The term "hot war" is also occasionally used by contrast, but remains rare in literature on military theory.

According to academic Covell Meyskens, the term "cold war" was not employed in China during the Maoist era.

Tensions labeled a cold war
Since the US–USSR Cold War (1947–1989), a number of global and regional tensions have also been called a cold war.

16th-century England and Spain
In his 1964 article of Francis Drake's New Albion claim, Adolph S. Oko Jr. described certain 16th century tensions between England and Spain as a cold war.

Great Game
The Great Game, a colonial confrontation that occurred between the 19th century British and Russian Empires in Asia, has been variously described as a cold war,   though this has also been disputed.

Second Cold War
The Second Cold War,  also called Cold War II,  Cold War 2.0, or the New Cold War,  is a term describing post-Cold-War era of political and military tensions between the United States and Russia and/or China.

Middle East
Malcolm H. Kerr first coined the term "Arab Cold War" to refer to a political conflict inside the Arab world between Nasserist republics defending Arab socialism, Pan-Arabism, and Arab nationalism led by Nasser's Egypt, against traditionalist monarchies led by Saudi Arabia.

An Atlantic Council member Bilal Y. Saab, an About.com writer Primoz Manfreda, an Iranian scholar Seyyed Hossein Mousavian and a Princeton University scholar Sina Toossi, journalist Kim Ghattas, Foreign Policy journalist Yochi Dreazen, Brookings Institution researcher Sultan Barakat, and Newsweek journalist Jonathan Broder use the term "cold war" to refer to tensions between Saudi Arabia and Iran. In February 2016, a University of Isfahan professor Ali Omidi dismissed the assumptions that the conflict between Iran and Saudi Arabia would grow tense.

South Asia
Commentator Ehsan Ahrari, writer Bruce Riedel, political commentator Sanjaya Baru and Princeton University academic Zia Mian have used the term "cold war" since 2002 to refer to long-term tensions between India and Pakistan, which were part of British India until its partition in 1947.

East Asia
Naval Postgraduate School academic Edward A. Olsen, British politician David Alton, York University professor Hyun Ok Park, and University of Southern California professor David C. Kang used the term to refer to tensions between North Korea and South Korea, which have been divided since the end of World War II in 1945. They interchangeably called it the "Korean Cold War". In August 2019, the North Korean government said that further US–South Korean military cooperation would prompt North Korea to "trigger a new cold war on the Korean Peninsula and in the region."

China's Defense Ministry spokesman Geng Yansheng, The Diplomat editor Shannon Tiezzi, and The Guardian columnist Simon Tisdall used the term to refer to tensions between China and Japan.

China and the Soviet Union
British writer Edward Crankshaw used the term to also refer to the Sino-Soviet relations after the Sino-Soviet split. "Spy wars" also occurred between the USSR and China.

China and India
Imran Ali Sandano of the University of Sindh, Arup K. Chatterjee of the Jindal Global Law School, journalist Bertil Lintner, writer Bruno Maçães, politician-lawyer P. Chidambaram, politician and journalist Sanjay Jha, and some others use the terms like "new cold war" to refer to growing tensions between China and India.

US cold civil war
In spring 2017, professor emeritus Angelo Codevilla used the term "cold civil war" to criticize "the ruling class—government bureaucracies, the judiciary, academia, media, associated client groups, Democratic officials, and Democrat-controlled jurisdictions"—and what Codevilla considered "against a majority of the American people and their way of life."

In 2017 and 2019, journalist Carl Bernstein criticized then-President Donald Trump, whom he called in 2019 "a sham, a con, a grifter [...] president of the United States", for exacerbating what Bernstein considered "cold civil war", citing in 2017 Trump administration's scapegoating of Hillary Clinton amid the Mueller special counsel investigation and in 2019 his efforts to appeal "prejudices" of his supporters toward "the other side" whom they wanted "wiped out".

The Washington Post columnist Matt Bai in January 2021 used "a Cold Civil War" in reference to the US "imminent disunion", especially by rural Americans who "live increasingly in their own reality, nourished by their own 'alternative facts' and led by their own reckless leaders" and "separate themselves from [American] urban culture and establishment media".

A media studies professor David A. Love in March 2021 criticized the US Republican Party for instigating "a cold civil war by pushing for unprecedented voter suppression measures targeting minority and marginalised communities".

A Governing magazine contributor Tony Woodlief in October 2021 criticized "political pundits", their use of the term, and their emphases of political class divide for "overlook[ing] ample data illuminating substantial common ground among Americans."

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nuclear summer

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. Dmcdevit·t 07:43, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

Nuclear summer
Non-existent term; basically nonsense. On 2005-06-12 01:26:36 Fawcett5 stopped it being a speedy with Doesn't fit the definition of patent nonense... she may be right; but its close. The term doesn't really exist (google seems to hit only web design). The scientific content is nonsense (loss of ozone is a net negative radiative forcing and would lead to cooling not warming). William M. Connolley 22:57:16, 2005-07-20 (UTC)

 *  delete Keep - William M. Connolley 23:01:07, 2005-07-20 (UTC). Switching vote on the basis of the link RJH found, which now provides different (and this time valid) science. Am I allowed to withdraw this VFD now? William M. Connolley 19:27:38, 2005-07-21 (UTC).
 * keep - Without taking a position on the ultimate validity of the theory, it does look like it is a recognized term in academic circles. It took two seconds to find reference to the term in at least one scholarly work, by an emeritus professor of military history , and it is simply not true that Google turns up only web design hits, I find many (e.g. ,, , ,). Also, the theory described on the page says only that solar radiations would sterilize the earth's surface, and nothing whatsoever about actual warming. Fawcett5 03:31, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I admit the link you found exists. The problem is that the science is pretty dubious The high temperatures of the nuclear fireballs could destroy the ozone gas of the middle stratosphere. doesn't seem likely, and none of the refs you've found support it. ( just mentions the phrase - no more; says nuclear winter was really nuclear summer and no more - what does this mean? There seems to be no substance behind it at all. William M. Connolley 12:04:50, 2005-07-21 (UTC).
 * Delete per nominator . --Bambaiah 08:26, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
 * I found only two references to nuclear summer:, . This suggests that it is a small subject, but could be an altternative or a later stage of nuclear winter scenarios. In the light of this material, I come to roughly the same conclusion as the remaining people, except that I think the scenario does not yet have sufficient backing evidence or paper trail to stand as an independent encyclopedia entry. Therefore I suggest merge and redirect to nuclear winter. Another reason for my vote is that most of the references, such as those given by Fawcett5, actually show that there is somewhat of a controversy over nuclear winter/summer. So the nuclear winter article needs to have a para describing nuclear summer. But if that is done, then there is not much more left to say in the article on nuclear summer. Of course, if there is sufficient new information, then I would revise my stand (once more). --Bambaiah 12:54, July 22, 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep but expand. I've heard of this as an opposite viewpoint to nuclear winter. If the ultimate decision is to delete, then merge this as a subsection of the nuclear winter article. To delete because the science is considered dubious is POV - as long as the article remains NPOV and addresses both supporters and detractors, then it should be OK. 23skidoo 14:19, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep — I added some more, but it could stand to be further enhanced. Thanks. — RJH 15:34, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * On the basis of the link you've found, which seems to me to provide valid (or at least plausible) science, I now think it should be kept. William M. Connolley 19:27:38, 2005-07-21 (UTC).
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Yutaka Katayama

Yutaka Katayama (片山 豊), also known as Mr. K, was a Japanese automotive executive who was employed by Nissan and served as the first president of Nissan Motor Corporation U.S.A. Katayama expanded Nissan's focus from economy vehicles towards sportier vehicles, and is regarded by Datsun/Nissan Z Car enthusiasts as the father of the Z-Car, as well as the Datsun 510.

Early years
Asoh was born in Shizuoka Prefecture, Japan, the second of four children of a well-off businessman whose postings took the family to various places in Japan and also to Taiwan. While in Taiwan, the young Yutaka fell ill with malaria and was sent to the estate of his paternal grandfather, a wealthy landowner in Saitama Prefecture, to convalesce and attend school. He would gain his first exposure to the United States in mid-1929, while he was preparing to enter his father's alma mater of Keio University. At that time, he got a job as ship's clerk and assistant purser on the freighter London Maru, carrying a cargo of raw silk to Victoria, British Columbia and Vancouver, as well as 20 passengers to Seattle. By several reports, he spent the next four months traveling around the Pacific Northwest while the ship was being loaded with lumber for her return voyage.

In 1935, he graduated from Keio University and landed a job with Nissan. In 1937, he married Masako Katayama and took her family name, as there were no sons in her family and he had two other brothers to carry on the Asoh name.

Career at Nissan
In 1939, during World War II, he was ordered to report to a Nissan plant in the Japanese puppet state of Manchukuo, but managed to obtain a transfer back to Japan in 1941. Near the end of the war in 1945, he refused orders to return to Manchukuo; Katayama later credited his survival of the war to this decision.

He returned to the U.S. in 1960, when Nissan sent him to do market research, after which he returned to Nissan in Japan and persuaded the company to start its own sales company in the United States.

Datsun started to import the first of the Fairlady models starting with the SPL212 in 1960 through to the Datsun Sports 2000, the precursor to the highly successful 240Z. 1968, the Datsun 510 was introduced. It cost $2,000 and carried independent rear suspension on sedans. He persuaded the Nissan corporate office in Japan to export the all new 510 with a larger 1.6 liter motor. This motor allowed the 510 to be viable on American roadways. In 1970, he introduced the Datsun 240Z, which Nissan had originally wanted to be named the Fairlady. However, his radical ideas for operations did not sit well with the executives of Nissan in Japan. Mr. K left America in 1977 for Japan and was forced into retirement. He was inducted into the Automotive Hall of Fame on October 13, 1998 for his lifetime contributions, among them the Datsun 510 and 240Z. He was inducted into the Japan Automotive Hall of Fame in 2008.

A 1997 advertisement campaign for the then-introduced Nissan Frontier featured actor Dale Ishimoto portraying Katayama with a Jack Russell Terrier, stating "Dogs Love Trucks!" The campaign was further expanded to the entire Nissan line in the United States with the tagline "Enjoy The Ride."

Death and family
Katayama died at a hospital in Tokyo February 2015 and was survived by his wife, Masako, two sons and two daughters, 11 grandchildren and 18 great-grandchildren. His son Hiroshi was an Olympic bronze medalist in soccer in the 1968 Mexico City Summer Games.

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Hisakazu Tanaka

Hisakazu Tanaka (田中 久一) was a lieutenant general in the Imperial Japanese Army, and governor of Japanese-occupied Hong Kong in World War II. His given name is occasionally transliterated "Hisaichi".

Early career
Tanaka was born in Hyōgo Prefecture to the Koganei family, and was later adopted into the Tanaka family, whose surname he took. He graduated from the 22nd class of the Imperial Japanese Army Academy in 1910 and after serving as a junior officer with the IJA 37th Infantry Regiment, he attended the Army's Toyama School and subsequently graduated from the 30th class of the Army Staff College in 1918. He served in various bureaucratic staff positions within the Imperial Japanese Army General Staff from 1919 to 1920, and was sent as a military attaché to the United States from 1923 to 1924. After his return to Japan, he continued to serve in various staff positions, mostly as an instructor, except for a brief stint as commander of the 1st Guards Regiment from 1935 to 1937.

As general
Tanaka was promoted to major general at the end of 1937, and briefly assigned as Chief of Staff of the Taiwan Army in 1938. However, with the increase in military activity in China due to the Second Sino-Japanese War, Tanaka was quickly reassigned to become chief of staff of the newly-formed Japanese Twenty-First Army from 1938 to 1939. This army was under the control of the China Expeditionary Army would later be assigned the primary role in the Canton Operation (the invasion of Guangdong Province) in southern China; however, Tanaka returned to Japan in August 1939  to serve as Commandant of the Toyama Army Infantry School, before combat operations began.

In August 1940, he was promoted to lieutenant general and given command of the IJA 21st Division. As part of the Japanese 12th Army, the division participated in counter-insurgency operations in northern China as well as the Battle of South Shanxi in May 1941, and the subsequent Hundred Regiments Offensive. From November 1941, the division was transferred to the control of the Southern Expeditionary Army Group and transferred to the Philippines, landing at Lingayen Gulf in February 1942 for the Philippines Campaign. Tanaka was transferred to command the IJA Twenty-Third Army in China from March 1943. This was primarily a garrison force to deter the possible landings of Allied forces in southern China. It was involved in the Battle of Guilin-Liuzhou (part of Operation Ichi-Go) from August to November 1944 and surrendered to the Chinese Kuomintang forces on August 15, 1945 with the surrender of Japan.

Concurrently, from February 1945 to the end of the war, Tanaka was Governor-General of Hong Kong during the Japanese occupation.

At the end of the war, Tanaka was arrested by the American occupation authorities. He and several of his subordinates were tried before an American military tribunal held in Shanghai in 1946 for command responsibility in the extrajudicial execution of an American POW. Tanaka was found guilty and sentenced to death by hanging. However, he was then turned over to the Kuomintang Nanjing War Crimes Tribunal in connection with the actions of IJA 23rd Army in China. Tanaka had both permitted and, at times, ordered and encouraged his troops to commit atrocities, including the rape, torture, and massacres of Chinese POWs and civilians. Tanaka was found guilty and sentenced to death. He was publicly shot in Canton on 27 March 1947. Tanaka was buried in Guangzhou and his remains were repatriated back to Japan in 1972.

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Book or Person  It seems like most of this artice is about the book and its awards not Martha Ballard herself. I think we need to add another category and split information.

Parody
Moved contribution from article. Kind of fun, but not particularly relavant to the reader. Information on how/why the parody was created might make it more appropriate.
 * *Parody of Ballard's diary

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Gimnàstic de Tarragona

Club Gimnàstic de Tarragona, commonly known as Gimnàstic Tarragona or sometimes just Nàstic, is a Spanish sports club based in Tarragona, in the autonomous community of Catalonia. Its football team plays in.

The club was founded in 1886 and is one of the oldest football clubs in Spain. It has teams competing in athletics, basketball, tennis, gymnastics, table tennis and futsal, but a football team was not formed until 1914. The team enjoyed a three-year La Liga spell in its beginnings (1947–50).

Since 1972, the team has played home games at Nou Estadi Costa Daurada, which seats 14,591 spectators.

History
The club was founded on 1 March 1886 by a group of fifteen people who met at the Cafè del Centre on Rambla Nova. The majority of the club's early members belonged to the upper middle class and, as the club name suggests, was initially founded to promote gymnastics. Later the club members began to organise fencing, hiking, boxing and cycling. In 1914, the club absorbed a local football club called the Club Olímpic de Tarragona and consequently formed its own football team using the former colours of Olímpic: red, white and black. In those days the team played home matches in the Avenida Catalunya stadium.

In January 1918, Gimnàstic made its debut as a football team in the Campionat de Catalunya and by 1927 were crowned champions in the second division. In the 1943–44 season the team appeared in the Tercera División and in the following season moved up to the Segunda División.

In the 1946–47 season Nàstic finished second in the second division and entered the La Liga. In 1947 it also reached the Copa del Generalísimo semi-final but lost to the RCD Espanyol, having beaten the FC Barcelona in the previous round.

The team finished its debut first division season in seventh place, with the highlight of the season coming on 11 January 1948 with a 3–1 win against the Real Madrid at the Bernabéu, thus becoming the first team ever to do so. The club played two further seasons in the top level, being relegated in 1949–50 after losing a play-off to the CD Alcoyano. The team moved to the new Nou Estadi in 1972.

Fifty-six years later, for the 2006–07 season, Gimnàstic returned to the top flight. Along with coach Luis César Sampedro, some of the players responsible for the promotion included veterans Antonio Pinilla and Albano Bizarri. Rubén Castro, Ariza Makukula and Javier Portillo (eventually the team's top scorer) were also brought in. The club was placed in the relegation zone for 33 of the 38 rounds, eventually dropping down a division. Sampedro was replaced mid-season by Paco Flores who improved the team's numbers. In the middle of 2007 the club was crowned the Copa Catalunya champions after a 2–1 win over FC Barcelona, with goals from Pinilla and Tati Maldonado.

After returning to the second level Gimnàstic achieved a mid-table position in 2007–08 and 2008–09 with César Ferrando in charge of the team. However, in the 2009–10 and 2010–11 seasons, the club only managed to rank one position above the relegation zone. In the 2011–12 campaign the team was relegated to the Segunda División B after only winning six games out of 42.

On 12 September 2012 Nàstic won the second Catalan Cup in its history, after defeating the AEC Manlleu with an Eugeni goal. In the 2014–15 campaign, after finishing first in its group, the club returned to the second level after defeating the SD Huesca in the play-offs.

In the 2018–19 campaign the team was relegated to the Segunda División B ending a four-year run in the second division.

Supporters
There are two small ultras groups: a right-wing political group called Ultras Tarraco and an antifa group called Nàstic Crew.

Season to season

 * 4 seasons in La Liga
 * 22 seasons in Segunda División
 * 3 seasons in Primera Federación/Primera División RFEF
 * 28 seasons in Segunda División B
 * 25 seasons in Tercera División
 * 3 seasons in Categorías Regionales

Current squad
The numbers are established according to the official website:www.gimnasticdetarragona.com and www.lfp.es .

Notable players
Players who appeared in more than 100 league matches for the club and/or reached international status.

Player records

 * Most appearances - 528, Santi Coch
 * Most goals - 181, Valero Serer

National

 * Segunda División B: 1996–97
 * Segunda División B League Cup: 1983–84
 * Tercera División: 1944–45, 1954–55, 1960–61, 1965–66, 1966–67, 1971–72, 1977–78

Regional

 * Copa Catalunya: 2007–08, 2011–12, 2016–17
 * Catalan Cup Second Division: 1926–27

Affiliated clubs

 * 🇪🇸 CF Pobla de Mafumet
 * 🇭🇰 Kitchee SC
 * C.D. Olimpia
 * 🇸🇻 Fuerte San Francisco

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