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Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Denelson83 2

 * ''The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a request for adminship that did not succeed. Please do not modify it.

Denelson83
Final vote (8/15/4) ending 09:56 25 July 2005 (UTC)

I nominate Denelson83 because of his invalubale contributions to Wikipedia. He has helped me edit and write several featured articles, including Johannesburg, Washington gubernatorial election, 2004, and Hong Kong. He is also an extremely nice and affable fellow. He had a request for comment against him in April of this year, however the issues that were addressed by that have been addressed, and I feel comfortable giving him my full support. Due to some mental health issues, he can sometimes have difficulties processing and coming to the correct interpretation of negative messages left on his talk page, and instead of feeling constantly treatened by them, he choses to delete them. While this normally would make a user seem sketchy, he has left a large message on his talk page explaining why he does this and that he reads and processes each message before removing it, if negative. I believe that this new action addresses all concerns brought up ont eh RFC. He also has a user page now, which was brought up on his previous RFA. He has been a Wikipedia member for nearly two years (1 year and 10 months to be exact), and in that time has managed to make over 5000 highly useful copy edits, as well as deal with persistant vandalism on the Sailor Moon article, which is one of his passions. I cannot think of anyone more deserving of adminship. Thank you! Páll 09:56, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

 * This nomination is accepted. However, since the RFC against me is still fairly recent, I am doubtful that this will succeed.  But this time, I will let it run the full seven days and see what happens. Denelson83 10:13, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Support
 * 1) Support gkhan 10:17, July 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Support Y0u (Y0ur talk page) (Y0ur contributions) 16:28, July 18, 2005 (UTC) Weak support I am concerned about the recent RfC and do see some communication problems (possibly in civility,) so I change my vote slightly. Y0u (Y0ur talk page) (Y0ur contributions) 20:19, July 18, 2005 (UTC) Strong support On another second thought, while ths user may not be the best at interacting with others, I can tell that the user tries hard to do so, and I vote for admins based mostly on demonstrated good faith.  I therefore change my degree of support. Y0u (Y0ur talk page) (Y0ur contributions) 13:21, July 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) Support. Has a lot of edits, really helpful around Wikipedia, and is a really great person. — Stevey7788 (talk) 16:43, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 4) Support. Appears to be a good, active contributor to Wikipedia, and has shown considerable commitment to the project and to the maintenance of articles. Valuable edits, evidence of a wide range of contributions, and evidence of some fair communication skills would show this person to be a valuable admin in the future. I notice that there are areas which this user could improve by his own admission, and I would hope that this user would do so after receiving administrative privileges. --NicholasTurnbull 03:12, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 5) Support. The candidate's approach to issues which have been raised regarding his behavior has been quite positive. I am not refering to this RfA in specific, but rather, for example, to when an user explained why he thought it was unfair that Denelson voted oppose when a candidate didn't meet his time-based adminship criterion. The answer you would expect from an average editor? "It's my rating system, so screw you, have a nice day". Denelson's response, on the other hand, was to change his opposes to neutrality from that point on. Good judgement, will likely make a good admin. --Sn0wflake 05:14, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * A very good point, I was impressed by how he listened to my very small, petty, off-topic annoyance (see the first, stricken oppose vote). If an admin can take critique, other issues don't seem to matter very much. gkhan 22:25, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Support. I'm voting in support because Denelson seems thoroughly dedicated to wikipedia. He has also addressed the problems raised in the RFC with the "wikimood" indicator. Also, even though he takes negative comments too harshly, he still heeds their meaning. njaard 06:03, 2005 July 19 (UTC)
 * 2) M e r o v i n g i a n  (t) (c) 11:06, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) Support It takes enormous skill to compensate for aspergers. As long as Denelson83 is capable of functioning more or less normally socially, his other skills are likely to be utterly fantastic. Since adminship does require some social skill, I think Denelson might take a little longer than average to learn to use the additional buttons (due to the social side effects). Aside from that, a good pick by Pall here :-)  Kim Bruning 00:53, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Oppose
 * This might sound like a petty excuse, but I wont support if you keep signing your name in red. Even though you have a user-page, no one will know about it! Signing your name in red is a very bad idea for an admin, methinks. Otherwise I do not have much objection gkhan 10:06, July 18, 2005 (UTC) Well ok then :P gkhan 10:17, July 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Concern addressed. I have moved the red colour to a border around my name, and put full links into my signature. Denelson83 10:14, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

 * 1) I feel thet s/he won't be as civil as wee'd like to see in an admin. Howabout1 Talk to me! 15:03, July 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Oppose, as I'm concerned that, everything taken into account, there could still be serious interaction problems. You'll get far worse than you've had on your talk page so far if you become an active admin, I'd have thought, and just removing the comments isn't the way to go. If sensitivity to comments can be measured on a 21-point scale, that's too much sensitivity for me. The new policy box on the talk page was also added just after the posting of this RfA so is an ultra-recent change not yet tested in practise. I'm not too interested in the previous RfC since that's been addressed. -Splash 16:07, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Thinking that someone wasn't processing comments and understanding them assumes bad faith. Denelson83 has a mental condition that makes intense criticism difficult to process and sometimes scary, but its never something he is not willing to stand up to. Páll 02:59, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Accusing me of bad-faith is hardly going to help is it? You throw the bad-faith accusation around too easily (twice in one RfA!), particularly considering you are an admin yourself. There's nothing remotely bad-faith about thinking that an admin should not merely remove comments: response and dialogue is important. I'm quite sure does process the comments, but changing a picture rather than engaging in dialogue is not the way to go. -Splash 22:48, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I established my "wikimood" system so it could serve as the sole outlet for any bad feelings that might result as the result of a comment that I might take the wrong way. And its limited scale provides a method of controlling my expression of negative emotions.  With that outlet in place, it will leave me free to respond to such comments in a more civil fashion. Denelson83 03:37, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Ok, but I share the other concerns on the page: the volatility, the unwillingness to properly engage in talk etc. I think you need several months of a good track record of healthy, open interaction with many users. With that in place, I see no reason why a future RfA should struggle. (As a side note, I see the new policy box is now gone: consistency is an important feature, too.) -Splash 22:48, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) I was thinking about ignoring my gut, but this one's just too big of a feeling to pass up. I don't feel right about supporting, and there's simply too much evidence to go neutral, so I'm going to oppose. Mike H (Talking is hot) 16:47, July 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Evidence of what? Páll 02:59, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose. Quoted from the standard admin questions below: "On the RfC, I expressed that I have an attribute of volatility. But I hope that I can keep that in check if I am given admin status."  While this certainly shows an uncommon amount of honesty, volatility is not an admirable quality to look for in an admin.  Other points against include the user's bizarre talk page policy--keeping paths of dialogue open is highly important for an admin in particular, and that RfC isn't exactly ancient history.  My advice: keep up the good work in article space, lose the volatility, encourage talk-page communication, and come back when the RfC is ancient history.  At the moment, there's just too many negatives to seriously consider supporting this candidate. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd  17:48, July 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * I'd like to point out that Denelson83 just left a message on my talk page asking for advice on improvement. It seems that Denelson83 is very interested in making things right, which I see as a good sign.  Things are headed in the right direction, at least. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd  04:17, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose; his votes on other RFAs are based solely on the length the candidate's account has been active, which to me indicates he has a tendency to generalize issues and overlook the nuance - that's not a good quality for an admin. Radiant_ >|< 19:53, July 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * And you are basing your vote on his RFA solely on his votes for RFA. Isn't that a double standard? Páll 02:59, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * No, because I'm talking specifically about his actions, and not generalizing them along with those of other people. Radiant_ >|< 12:24, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * I will address your concern, Radiant. In hindsight, basing my RFA votes on only a couple of attributes seems to be quite narrow, I'll admit that now.  When the next RfA is filed, I will evaluate it on a wider picture. Denelson83 03:49, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Radiant_ >|< 12:24, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose; General agreement with the case as stated by Starblind. --Durin 19:54, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Oppose. Granted, I haven't seen all of this user's RfA votes, but the ones I have seen were based almost solely on longevity rather than on contributions, dedication to making WP better, or interaction with other users (except in the most obvious cases, like DrZoidberg's last week).  Also, I'm a bit leery concerning the "Wikimood" promise, as there would be little accountability for him to make sure that he only used admin powers at appropriate times. --Idont Havaname 21:27, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I've been an admin for nearly a year now, and I haven't run into a situation where I've even needed to use my "admin powers" except to block some vandal IPs. I think it shows bad faith to judge your vote solely on the way someone choses to define what makes an acceptable admin. Páll 02:59, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * No - finding out what the candidate considers acceptable behavior for an admin is very much of interest when considering how the candidate would behave if adminified. Second, people that do not intend to use their "admin powers" at all do not need to be admins. And third, WP:FAITH. Radiant_ >|< 12:27, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) --Boothy443 | comhrÚ 07:29, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * May I ask the reasons for your oppose? [[User:PZFUN| Páll  ( Die pienk olifant )]] 07:45, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * This user has never given any specific reason for mass-voting oppose, which he does periodically. Oh, my bad, he has given a reason once: "BECAUSE ADMINS ARE LIARS AND CHEATERS! THEY ARE EVIL AND EAT PUPPIES FOR DINNER!" or something along those lines. So don't expect answers from him. His vote amounts to nothing on this RfA, anyway. --Sn0wflake 07:53, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * So, should we just consider this particular vote to be invalid and strike it out? Denelson83 08:10, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * No, not really. That should be left to the Bureaucrats. Don't worry, they know what they are doing. As in, this vote will not change the outcome of the RfA. --Sn0wflake 08:36, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * As a side point, it's pretty well established that users do not have to give reasons for their votes in RfA. Not policy, but it's not necessary to demand that they do, even if they have a rather predictable voting style. -Splash 14:45, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * While it isn't a strictly-enforced policy, the top of the RfA page does state "When you cast your vote, please consider providing an explanation, especially on oppose and neutral votes, so the candidate or other voters can understand and address it." At a bare minumum, I would say that if one intends to oppose virtually every admin candidate, one should at least give some hint as to why they are doing so. Otherwise, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the closing beaurocrat ignores such votes entirely. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd  15:28, July 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't be at all surprised either. Interestingly, Boothy443 does give a reason in their edit summary! Personally, I much prefer reasons-with-votes, but there's really nothing to be gained by asking Boothy443 for them. (By way of a more useful example, Neutrality has opposed Stevey7788's RfA, given no reason, and not been asked for one (yet).) -Splash 15:50, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: relevant discussion can be found here and also here. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 18:34, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Splash, as much as you show an incredible amount of WP:FAITH, please stop defending this person. He is clearly disrupting the normal procedures in order to make a WP:POINT, and should not be treated as somebody who is defending a point of view or productive activities as such. --Sn0wflake 19:45, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree it's a shining example of WP:POINT and I'd treat it as such if I were closing the vote. I don't mean to defend a user that has such determination to disrupt, although I realise that is rather how my comments sound. And yes, I've glanced through the talk page and things and can see the blatancy of the situation. I've said recently in another RfA that I generally dislike demanding reasons for votes of either kind; that was the only reason I pointed it out again here. (I hope that is not itself a WP:POINT, but I don't think so. I'll stop, just in case.) -Splash 19:56, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose. The removal of negative comments from your talk page is still a concern, even with the stoppage of the behavior described in the RfC. Administrators can potentially run into a lot more abuse than other editors, and describing yourself as "volatile" only leads me to believe that there will be problems in the future. Also, administrators need to be transparent in their actions. Removing legitimate complaints from your talk page, even if they are phrased in a non-friendly manner, will only muddy the waters when trying to figure out if administrative powers have been misused or abused. One shouldn't have to retrieve deleted comments from talk history in order to piece together a conversation or a dispute. I also echo Radiant's concerns about your longevity-based criterion for administrators. A и D я 01D  TALK  EMAIL  13:05, July 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) As per above. Andre ( talk ) 22:42, July 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) Oppose Dmn / Դմն 00:40, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 4) Strong oppose. This notice on his talk page suggests to me that he's not ready for admin powers. "I have considerable difficulty understanding the full substance of what other people say to me, and I may have very prematurely interpreted your comment as negative, demeaning, and/or frightening, and consequently removed your comment to help purge the bad feelings that it would cause me"??? If he can't 1) differentiate between neutral comments and neagative comments, and 2) deal with negative comments, then he doesn't need to be an admin.  What happens when the block button is right there on the screen, and it would be so easy to stop the negative comments by just blocking everybody that posts to the page? Or maybe it would be easier to just protect the page so nobody can contact him! This is an RfAr waiting to happen; absolutely, positively no way this user should be an admin. -- Essjay ·   Talk 17:20, July 21, 2005 (UTC) .... later: It's been suggested that perhaps I was harsh in my comments; I would just like to clarify that I don't have any problem with mental illness, particularly considering that I have bipolar. The point is, if his disability is going to interfere with his ability to accurately judge a situation, then he doesn't need to be given the ability to abuse admin powers. His disability has no bearing on his adminship outide its relevance to his ability to effectively and properly use admin powers. I think his own comments demonstrate that he isn't s up to the job. -- Essjay ·   Talk 18:47, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
 * 5) Oppose. To take a fairly random example from 16 June (hardly over a month ago), his/her user talk page starts off by telling us "n.b. All past revisions of this page are considered to be deleted, and may not be reviewed. Any attempt to influence my behaviour on Wikipedia using those past revisions will not be tolerated. To review past messages, see the archive subpages." If this isn't tongue in cheek (and no evidence suggests to me that it is), then it strikes me as bizarre, and pompously expressed to boot. (Oh, and that precedes another warning.) When asked about this, Denelson83 simply deleted the question, which ended I'm just curious about how you claim that a record which is easily and freely available under the GFDL "may not be reviewed". Curiousity, that's all. Feel free not to respond if you don't want to. While Denelson83 was within his/her right in deleting the message (on 29 May), this unwillingness to answer a question is not the sort of thing I look for in an administrator, especially when the question is amicable and about an apparent misunderstanding of one aspect of the nature of this project. Denelson83 seems a good editor and in some ways an attractive candidate for administrator; but I'm not going to vote "support" until months (rather than mere weeks) after odd behavior such as attempting to dictate that past revisions of a page "may not be reviewed", compounded by refusal to explain this. -- Hoary 03:41, July 23, 2005 (UTC) PS a comment prompted by Woohookitty's vote immediately below: I don't think anyone here has commented on Denelson83's deletion of anything from any talk page other than his/her own. In itself, deleting stuff from one's own talk page is not a big no no. (Or I hope it isn't: on occasion, I've deleted particularly inane comments from my own talk page.) But it's something that should be done exceptionally, if at all: polite questions should in general be answered, and politely so. -- Hoary 06:58, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * 6) Oppose. Note to people who want to become admins. Do not say ANYWHERE that you can be volitile. Denelson, you aren't a bad editor but deleting stuff from talk pages is a big no no. I'd stop doing it if I were you if you ever want to be an admin. --Woohookitty 06:17, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 7) Oppose. No positive history with this user. Is also clearly desperate for adminship, which is a bad thing. Hedley 14:25, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Neutral
 * 1) Neutral Voting neutral is absolutely pointless. I want to vote oppose based on his past behavior and how he cant handle attacks of any sort. However, as he voted neutral, rather than oppose, on me, he gets a neutral from me as well. On a lighter note, its good to see he stopped judging people based on 9 months more/less. Redwolf24 04:07, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Did he? Doesn't seem so. --Dmcdevit·t 06:44, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Neutral. I very much appreciate many of the arguments offered for support, and it is with a heavy heart that my vote is down here and not up there with them. I like that Denelson is a good veteran, and I'm sure I'd enjoy working with him. However, while it seems he's moving away from many of the objections raised so far, I would have liked to see more time between RFAs so as to better judge this canditates true change and stability thereof. I will therefore likely support in 2+ months time if all goes smoothly, but cannot bring myself to do so now. --Dmcdevit·t 06:44, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Neutral. Overall, I appreciate Denelson's work on Wikipedia, but I am loath to vote support this soon after a RFC. Like Dmcdevit, I feel that a couple of months could make the world of difference. Grutness...  wha?  07:38, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * And I would happen to agree with you and Dmcdevit on that point, Grutness, for sure. Denelson83 07:43, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Neutral Though I definately think that Denelson is a good editor and a good contributor to wikipedia I agree with many of the points brought up in the oppose votes and would feel more comfortable voting for him after a few more months. Jtkiefer  T - 22:56, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

Comments
 * FYR, here's the link to my page within Kate's tool. As of now, it reads 5717 edits. Denelson83 16:56, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, given the direction this RFA is clearly going in, I'll have to say this: If anyone else wishes to nominate me for adminship again, do not do so for several months after this RFA concludes, as it is clear I really need to improve my reputation on Wikipedia first. Denelson83 06:37, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate

A few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:
 * 1. What sysop chores, if any, would you anticipate helping with? (Please read the page about administrators and the administrators' reading list.)
 * A. A particular article on my watchlist, Sailor Moon, gets subjected to minor but significant bouts of vandalism. SM is one of my greatest passions, so I hope to keep that article and related articles on the up-and-up.  Other than that, I can monitor WP:VIP for vandalism notices, and I can try to take care of the WP:VFD backlog.  I can also patrol Recent Changes for any speedy deletion candidates, and instead of tagging them as such, I would be able to just remove them.
 * 2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikipedia, are there any about which you are particularly pleased, and why?
 * A. I am pretty satisfied with the series I wrote on provincial highways in British Columbia, as well as the work I did on the articles regarding Canadian postal codes, including the tabulation I applied to the individual postal code lists. I also helped set up the Canadian wikiportal and notice board.  I also revamped the vowel chart in the article on the International Phonetic Alphabet, making it look very similar to how the IPA presents it.  However, most of the edits that I make are minor, usually with regard to spelling and grammar.
 * 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
 * A. The only major conflict I have been involved in is described in the RfC that I link to above. I have fixed that by putting a special "wikimood" template at the top of my user talk page, and if I feel that any messages left on my talk page strike the wrong tone with me, I will adjust my wikimood accordingly.  I will not exercise any admin powers if my wikimood is set at -3 or below.  I have also put another message at the top of my talk page, indicating just why I treat some messages left on it the way most people would not expect.  I hope other wikipedians do not take that notice the wrong way.  On the RfC, I expressed that I have an attribute of volatility.  But I hope that I can keep that in check if I am given admin status.
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House of Malatesta

The House of Malatesta was an Italian family that ruled over Rimini from 1295 until 1500, as well as (in different periods) other lands and towns in Romagna and holding high positions in the government of cities in present-day Tuscany, Lombardy and Marche. The dynasty is considered among the most important and influential of the Late Middle Ages. In the period of maximum influence, they extended their domains along the Marche coast, up to Ascoli Piceno, Senigallia, Sansepolcro and Citerna, and to the north, on the territories of Bergamo and Brescia.

History
The family's progenitor is said to be Rodolfo of Carpegna whose fighting spirit yielded him the sobriquet mala testa ("bad head"). From 1004 onward, he built a castle on the rock of Pennabilli.

In the 11th century, the family had possessions in the region of Gabicce Mare, Gatteo, and Poggio Berni. Giovanni Malatesta (d. 1150) owned some land between rivers Marecchia and Rubicon, and was the first to settle down in Rimini. His son married into the Traversari family, who were lords of Ravenna and Rimini during the 12th and 13th centuries. In 1186, the Malatesta became lords of Torriana. Giovanni's grandsons Giovanni and Malatesta I Malatesta (1183–1248) founded the branches of the Counts of Sogliano al Rubicone (extinguished in 1640) and "della Penna" of Pennabilli and Verucchio (until 1462). In 1216, they became citizens of Rimini.

Malatesta Family Members

 * (1) Malatesta dalla Penna (d.1248)
 * (2) Malatesta da Verucchio (d.1312) (son of 1.) - Lord of Rimini, 1295

1st generation:
 * (3) Malatestino 'dell'Occhio' (d.1316) (son of 2) - Lord of Rimini, 1312
 * (4) Paolo 'il Bello' (d.1285) (son of 2) - murdered by 5
 * (5) Giovanni 'Gianciotto' (d.1304) (son of 2)
 * (6) Pandolfo I (d.1326) (son of 2) - Lord of Rimini, 1317

2nd generation: di Malatestino: di Paolo: di Gianciotto di Pandolfo:
 * (7) Ferrantino (d.1353) (son of 3) - Lord of Rimini, 1326, deposed & imprisoned by 11, 1334
 * (9) Ramberto (d.1330) (son of 4) - murdered by 14
 * (10) Guido the Archpriest (d.1334?) (son of 4)
 * (8) Uberto, Count of Giaggolo (d.1323) (son of 5) - murdered by 9
 * (11) Malatesta II 'Guastafamiglia' (d.1364) (son of 6) - Lord of Pesaro, 1326; and Rimini, 1334
 * (12) Galeotto I (d.1385) (son of 6) - Lord of Rimini,&c.

3rd generation: di Ferrantino: di Malatesta: di Galeotto:
 * (13) Pandolfino (d.?) (son of 7)
 * (14) Malatestino Novello (d.1335) (son of 7) - imprisoned & prob. murdered by 11.
 * (15) Malatesta 'Ungaro' (d. 1364) (son of 11) - Lord of Jesi
 * (16) Pandolfo II (d.1373) (son of 11) - Lord of Pesaro
 * (17) Carlo of Rimini (son of 12) - Lord of Rimini
 * (18) Pandolfo III of Fano (d.1427) (son of 12) - Lord of Fano
 * (19) Andrea of Cesena (son of 12) (d.1416) - Lord of Cesena
 * (20) Galeotto II of Cervia (son of 12) (d.) - Lord of Cervia

4th generation

di Pandolfino:
 * (21) Ferrantino Novello (d.1352) (son of 13)
 * (22) Guido (d.1334) (son of 13) - imprisoned & probably murdered by 11

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Great Falls Park

Great Falls Park is a small National Park Service (NPS) site in Virginia, United States. Situated on 800 acre along the banks of the Potomac River in northern Fairfax County, the park is a disconnected but integral part of the George Washington Memorial Parkway. The Great Falls of the Potomac River are near the northern boundary of the park, as are the remains of the Patowmack Canal, the first canal in the United States that used locks to raise and lower boats.

History
Native American petroglyphs have been discovered within the park on cliffs overlooking Difficult Run.

The Patowmack Canal, which George Washington partially funded, was a one-mile (1.6 km) bypass canal that began operating in 1785 to give small barges the opportunity to skirt around the falls and to distribute manufactured goods upstream and raw materials downstream. The park visitor center has the bottom portions of two wooden canal lock gates excavated in the 1980s from the canal. The gates survived from at least the 1830s and were found during restoration projects on stonework which were erected for the canal locks. Stonemason marks found on the stones are unique to each artisan and are identical to some found in foundation stones of the White House and the U.S. Capitol.

During the construction of the canal, blasting powder, which at the time was essentially gunpowder, was used to blast through solid rocks. This is one of the first known examples of blasting powder being used for engineering purposes anywhere in the world. The canal was never a profitable enterprise. With the completion of the Chesapeake and Ohio Canal on the opposite side of the river, and the oncoming age of railroads, the project was abandoned in 1830. The canal is a Civil Engineering Landmark as well as a Virginia Historic Landmark. Along the trails, the ruins of the small town of Matildaville, Virginia can also be found.

Between 1906 and 1932, the Great Falls and Old Dominion Railroad and its successor, the Washington and Old Dominion Railway, operated an amusement park (trolley park) at the falls. Located at the end of an electric trolley line that began in Georgetown, Washington, D.C., the park contained picnic grounds, a dance pavilion, and a carousel. In the evenings, a searchlight illuminated the falls. After the railroad went into receivership in 1935 and the Great Falls line was abandoned, the Park was leased by the receivership to a series of concessionaires.

In January 1953, the Park was bought from the receivership by the Fairfax Park Authority using funds set aside to purchase right-of-way for the George Washington Memorial Parkway. The George Washington Memorial Parkway was developed to ensure the easy linkage of George Washington's most visited places. Great Falls Park was a part of the Northern Virginia Parks system until it was transferred to the NPS in 1966. A proposed bridge to span the falls was also considered but, due to a strong lobby to eliminate additional bridges over the Potomac and concerns over environmental impacts, the project was never undertaken.

The park continues to provide picnic grounds and a visitor center but the carousel that operated between 1954 and 1972 was destroyed by a flood caused by Hurricane Agnes.

Access and amenities
Direct access to the park is usually by way of Georgetown Pike (Virginia Route 193) and Old Dominion Drive. Major highways in the vicinity of the park which provide regional connections include the Capital Beltway (Interstate 495), the Dulles Toll Road (Virginia Route 267) and Leesburg Pike (Virginia Route 7). There is a $20 entrance fee per car for visitors who drive into the park. The park is open only during daylight hours.

The park has several viewing platforms that provide visitors with vantage points overlooking the falls. The NPS operates a visitor center near the falls.

Fifteen miles (24 km) of hiking trails traverse the park and follow a small stream known as Difficult Run. A scenic trail near the river travels upstream from a landing at the mouth of Difficult Run, climbs to the top of Mather Gorge and passes the falls, a dam, and a reservoir before ending in Fairfax County's Riverbend Park.

Rock climbers frequent the cliffs in Mather Gorge above the Potomac.

The park contains a large picnic area and sufficient parking for 600 vehicles. On busy weekends, all the parking may fill up by early in the morning, creating delays and temporary closures lasting up to several hours. The NPS does not permit camping in the park.

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Talk:List of MPs elected in the 1987 United Kingdom general election

Old discussions
This article talks about a person called Sean Hughes, and links to Sean Hughes. The link is a suspected Provisional IRA member who is still alive.

I presume that the Sean Hughes in this article is neither the suspected Provo or the comedian as he died in 1990.

Having never heard of an MP called Sean Hughes I'd be happier leaving changes to someone better informed. --JimmyTheWig 09:45, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Your're very much correct. I've taken it on as a miniproject to disambiguate all the Sean Hughes references in Wikipedia, in this case I have linked to Sean Hughes (politician), which as yet doesn't exist. M A Mason 00:30, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

It exists now, thanks to me. --Dovea 16:41, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

There is now an article on every one of the MPs on this list, regardless of whether they are highlighted in red or not. I think that might be down to some people being called Bob instead of Robert, or Jim instead of James etc. --Dovea 11:58, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I've noticed that the MP for Bolton South East is directed to the wrong person, a Conservative David Young rather than a Labour David Young. Can someone please correct this? Thanks. --Dovea 17:09, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

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User:Sir Edgar

I am an American living and working in Seoul, Korea.

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My interests include football (soccer), tennis, golf, billiards, travel, reading, foreign languages, world geography, and ancient history. I'm especially interested in learning more about the lesser known civilizations of the world and the origins of man and nation. I have a Master's Degree in International Affairs.

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I am Scottish, although currently in work-imposed exile in England. I am 29 years of age & have been involved in a minor way in the wikimedia projects since around March 2005. I have been mostly working on wikisource, where I was an Admin, dealing mainly with historical & modern speeches. I contribute to wikipedia as time allows and have created a few articles, but have mostly concentrated on editing articles I see which I know something about.

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Talk:Boney M.

Was original name "Bonny M"?
I am sure I have heard that they were originally going to be called Bonny M - the familiar name just happened due to a spelling error. Any one know any more on this? ACEOREVIVED (talk) 11:23, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

From my recent noseying around boney m - it seems the producer whom formed them was inspired by the name of an Australian TV show called Boney. So it is written. 82.28.173.202 (talk) 15:54, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

 * Bone I am ( auf deutschsprachlich ist das eigentlich [etwas nicht gut] Gevatterman — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0A:A548:E967:0:EC03:E5ED:B93D:187C (talk) 11:20, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

I Found Out
I only just found out about Boney M because of PBS documentary called "Touching The Void" in wich a stranded climber suffering from exposure and starving can't stop "Brown Girl In The Ring" (laa lala lala) from repeating in his head. He HATES the song. :) A great survival story, check it out.  [09:45, 18 July 2005 67.175.129.212]

"Painter Man"
The song Painter Man was written by Pickett and Phillips of the band The Creation and was a hit for them long before Boney M covered it. I am unconvinced that it is about Andy Warhol as it would have been written in the early 60's. Maybe Boney M dedicated it to him but I think the text of the article needs to be checked and confirmed - LC  [09:43, 12 December 2005 217.205.224.154]

Farian controversy
That bit about some of the group members not singing themselves seems written from an American perspective. In Europe it was widely published in the 1970s that Bobby was merely miming to Farian's voice. Boney M was one of the earliest groups known to do this, but it wasn't very controversial then and didn't hinder their success, as far as Europe is concerned anyway. Farian may have repeated this fact in 2003, but it wasn't news then. Similarly, the Milli Vanilli "scandal" was mainly an American thing. In Germany, it was considered acceptable that "producer music" just works this way: Studio musicians play and sing the music, and later some photo models are casted to present it on television, who may or may not be completely different people than the original musicians, who remain laregely anonymous. When the "revelation" that Milli Vanilli worked this way too reached us from the United States, the reaction was mostly "so what". The "controversy" paragraph ought to be rewritten to reflect these different perceptions. Regards Anorak2 11:56, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

It could be argued that there are substantial differences between the cases of Milli Vanilli and Boney M. This article (and that on Maizie Williams) implies that whilst the voices of Williams and Farrell were often not included in the final mixes by Farian, I think it's understood that they did actually sing live and in studio recordings.

Milli Vanilli, on the other hand, could be considered a far more elaborate "deception". Yes it was true that the fact they were (unlike Boney M) hugely successful in the US market and also won a Grammy played its part in creating the scandal. But unlike Williams and Farrell of Boney M, the two members of Milli Vanilli never sung a note either on record or in concert whilst they were Milli Vanilli. And it went further than that too. Everton4Life 10:43, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

The fact that this group were more actors than singers is very relevant. That they were miming to Farian's voice is surely controversial. I doubt that most people realized that this was going on at the height of the group's fame. More importantly the article reads as if these people were singing. It is true that their voices were not completely excluded, but the majority of the vocal effects were pre-recorded by Farian.101.98.138.52 (talk) 08:50, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

 * Rubettes in 1974 were an early example of a singer miming over another singer's voice, on the single Sugar Baby Love the falsetto vocal was recorded by session singer Paul Da Vinci.

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"Felicidad" link
I'm not sure about the linking of Felicidad to Feliz Navidad. True: both songs were sung by Boney M, but as I remember, both are different songs. Regards clintie [12:38, 25 January 2006]

FOPAS deleted
Is the fact that some office workers dressed up and performed a Boney M hit at their Christmas party *really* worthy of mention in Wikipedia.....? ChrisTheDude 14:15, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I have deleted this paragraph, if they are notable they can have a page of their own and perhaps a link to it from here, but I doubt theyre noteable Htaccess 11:15, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Popularity outside the West - wording
"Boney M...became one of the few western bands at that time which became well-known outside of Europe and the USA, including Africa, Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka and South-East Asia." I have some issues with the precise wording of that sentence.

First of all, "Europe and the USA"? Not Australia or Canada? And even at the time, western bands were quite well-known in Japan -- look at all the "live in Japan" albums that were standard for hard rock bands, like Deep Purple or Judas Priest. Maybe the sentence should read "one of the few western bands at that time which became well-known outside the West."

Also, couldn't "Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka" just be shortened to "South Asia" or "the Indian subcontinent"?

-- drumwolf  [19:22, 25 April 2006 63.206.223.196]

Corrections made
I've made changes to the article in response to the "Painter Man", Farian controversy, "Felicidad" link, and non-Western regions comments above. Wasted Time R 12:43, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Charts
I deleted the sentence claiming that they are the only pop group to have two singles on the all time best seller chart in the UK — This is an impossible claim without a quantity (top 10, top 50, etc.) and needs citation. 68.174.85.46 13:44, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Children of paradise
Any idea about the story behind "childeren of paradise" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rav 672 (talk • contribs)

 * It seems to be a biblical reference to Adam and Eve and the story of original sin and their being banished from paradise. In essence, we are also Children of Paradise.  Consider the verse:

 * We are children of paradise
 * When the lord created us all his work was through
 * Then the children of paradise
 * Did the only thing they really shouldn't do

 * Seems to be a reference to the snake tempting Eve with the apple. As does:

 * We are the children of paradise
 * Who didn't obey
 * When we followed the wrong advice
 * We wandered astray

 * I always took it to be a 'message' song. It was released round the same time as their We Kill The World song which had an ecological message.

 * -- clintie 14:07, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Worldwide Sales
I have changed the claim that says they sold 150 millions albums as the source given states 150 records, not albums (so this would include albums, singles, EPs, etc). However, I still find the figure of 150 million a little hard to believe, especially since the band were not really successful in the US apart from a minor hit that grazed the top 30. I know the band were huge in Europe in the late 70s, but the figure quoted is not from a reputable source as it seems to be their management or promotion company which hardly makes them unbiased. If you want to cite a reliable source for sales figures, it has to be from a certifiable and unbiased source (such as the BPI, RIAA, etc). MassassiUK 22:17, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

 * Yes, this is a totally unrealistic figure and needs to be properly cited from an impartial source. Boney M's management company are not an impartial source so the information about worldwide sales should not be included in the article until a more reputable source can be found. It is still okay to include information about any silver/gold/platinum awards for sales of individual records though, as long as they can be verified from an official source.79.65.52.66 17:57, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

"Die Band hat bis heute rund 150 Millionen Platten verkauft" Source: https://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/mummy-cool-boney-m-saengerin-marcia-barrett-im-interview-fotostrecke-161500.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.14.55.120 (talk) 16:22, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

"The bottom line on Boney M's balance sheet boasts worldwide sales of more than 100 million records and tapes." (status 1981) Source: Billboard magazine from 1981-09-24 www.americanradiohistory.com/hd2/IDX-Business/Music/Billboard-Index/IDX/1981/1981-10-24-Billboard-Page-0135.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.183.255.8 (talk) 09:24, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

"Copyright"?

 * January 2007 was the date Zanillya Farrell (daughter of Bobby Farrell) and Yasmina Ayad-Saban (ex-wife of Farrell) renewed the copyright to the name Boney M. in Germany for a 10 year period.

This makes no sense. A name can't be copyrighted, not even here in Germany. If anything, it can be trademarked.--87.164.89.163 (talk) 13:41, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

One way ticket
What about the song called "One way ticket" or "One way ticket to the blues" ?? I can't find anything in Wikipedia about this song, which was also created by Boney M. too (you can listen it here)

83.23.182.216 (talk) 16:19, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Quick reply; it wasn't Boney M. but Eruption (band), it was however produced by Frank Farian, correct.

Back4goode (talk) 18:35, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Added a band photo but...
I'm not familiar with the band, so I added a partial photo of the band, as I had access to one, but don't know who the members are. There are a few other photos -one of one of the women in the band, but unless someone leaves me a note on my talk page, I won't try uploading it, since I won't know exactly who it is. (I noticed most members still need photos on their pages too).--Leahtwosaints (talk) 02:08, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Still wondering
Did the members, or did they not, actually sing anything themselves ? Or did they only lip-synch ? The article isn't entirely clear on this. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.113.104.58 (talk) 01:24, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

 * Answer to find on The Talk page of the one who made the question. So see the talk page of above mentioned unsigned membership 76.113.104.58 Musicworldvision (talk) 22:47, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Longing to return to Zion
The article states that Rivers of Babylon refers to the "Jewish" longing to return to Zion. This is not correct. The song is referring to the Rastafarian longing to return to Zion, i.e. Ethiopia. The Rastas claim to be one of the lost tribes, having been banished to the New World (Babylon). But they're certainly not longing to return to Israel - only to Africa, or Zion! Santamoly (talk) 07:33, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

The song takes words from Psalm 137, which certainly originally referred to refers to the Jewish longing to return to Zion (Jerusalem) after banishment to Babylon (in Iraq). As you say, it is also used by Rastafarians, but that doesn't mean the reference to Jews and Israel is incorrect - just perhaps not full enough.86.185.105.224 (talk) 12:09, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

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"Vocal group"?
The article is, I submit, entirely misleading. To refer to Boney M as a "vocal group" omits the very relevant fact that these were largely actors, miming to Farian's voice and other effects. They were not, with one exception, actually singers. Royalcourtier (talk) 01:45, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * No that is not the case. The group could sing and although Farian's voice was dubbed over them this was not always done. What is your source for this? Britmax (talk) 06:54, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
 * User Royalcourtier if you have any reliable source, please show us the source, we can debate this "vocal group" . AlfaRocket (talk) 11:38, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Personnel
Checking for consensus here. Which of these groups should be listed in the Personnel section of the article? It's a messy timeline for this band. —C.Fred (talk) 23:31, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
 * 1) Members who sang on recordings only
 * 2) Members who appeared on stage only
 * 3) Members who sang or appeared on stage
 * 4) Members who appeared only in Farian's versions of the group only
 * 5) Members who appeared in any version of the group

Requested move 23 February 2020

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jerm (talk) 18:32, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Boney M. → Boney M – Both the proposed name (i.e. no full stop) and the current name (i.e. with full stop) are used by news articles. Books may have used either one as well, but may more likely recently omit full stop. (eBook edition of band member's autobiography uses full stop.) Even if the full stop is part of the band's official name, seems that the one without the full stop is more commonly used. Somehow, Google wouldn't exclude the name with the full stop in search results for some technical reason. Checking sources from this and last year, Billboard uses full stop. PhilStar omits full stop. (More sources listed below.) I think omitting the full stop is more beneficial for most readers, including those preferring to not using it for manual searches. Also, per WP:DIVIDEDUSE, if I'm proven wrong, and if both the proposed and current names are commonly used, then the proposed name is less surprising than the current one because, I think, many people don't expect the full stop to be there. Moreover, per WP:CRITERIA, it's consistent with articles like Melody (Japanese singer), Janet (album), and Gangsta (manga). If the article were to be moved, then should be moved as well. George Ho (talk) 21:41, 23 February 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. Jerm (talk) 19:25, 1 March 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. ©  Tb hotch ™ (en-3). 18:54, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Other news articles (within the past year): George Ho (talk) 21:41, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * With full stop: Vancouver Weekly, Daily Courier (Kelowna), Exclaim!, The Coast, Happy Mag
 * Without full stop: Romania Insider, Northwich Guardian, Dhaka Tribune, Business Review (Romania), Tone Deaf (The Brag), The Hindu, Somerset Live, Edmonton Journal, Scotsman, Halifax Today
 * Oppose, although I'm not a fan of essays, this is a clear example of WP:BROKEN. 1) It is not a stylization to compare it with Janet. et al. 2) If anyone is not typing the period, it is already being redirected with Boney M. 3) Sources are inconsistent, which leads to 4) WP:TITLECHANGES and WP:RECOGNIZABILITY, as their album and single covers consistently use the period. © Tb hotch ™ (en-3). 02:00, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Tbhotch. Albums include the period in the band name. — python coder (talk | contribs) 22:23, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

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2021 house remix
Just wanted to point out that this exists; mix by Majestic. Is on Spotify. Is exactly what you think it is, a pretty straightup stripped back House remix. 82.28.173.202 (talk) 15:52, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

The track in question is Rasputin. Sorry if I've stuck this in the wrong place, just wanting to help. 82.28.173.202 (talk) 15:55, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Active years of group
Their last original single Stories released in 1990, after that all members expect Reggie created new groups (unofficially, but they get the rights to play that songs) called Boney M feat. Liz Mitchell / Marcia Barrett / Maizie Williams / Bobby Farrell but the Frank Farian's original Boney M group released their last single in 1990. 176.88.22.217 (talk) 13:47, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Bony M performance in Iran
Boney M did perform in Iran before the 1979 revolution. They were highly popular in Iran.please add it to the article. Simsala111 (talk) 01:24, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

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Wikipedia talk:Meetup/LA1

L.A. Meetup #1 Discussion

 * Added my name to the list! Jokestress 16:43, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Added my name as well. Thanks for the invite!  What usually goes on at these things? (I've never been to one). --Polylerus 17:41, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Fantastic idea! Too bad I moved to NY last month. Space Cadet 17:59, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I saw this and I'd like to come too. -Willmcw 20:00, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the invite, but I'm moving to D.C. in just a couple weeks. What timing! --David Iberri | Talk 20:58, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for inviting me, but I'll be swamped with summer school (not remedial, I'm doing it to get ahead). Plus I wouldn't qualify for the Well. -David (fpo) | Talk 6:47 p.m. l.a. time
 * About 50/50 chance I might be able to come (kinda depends on workload and so forth ...) I'd be driving down from Santa Barbara. Thanks for organizing this and it's high time we got some southern Californians together. Antandrus  (talk)  23:05, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

How about hosting a potluck picnic at a park? -- AllyUnion (talk) 03:45, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Cool. Monday July 25 works for me. —BenFrantzDale 03:57, Jun 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm down, most likely. My vote is for the Well, I think, or any other place that serves "adult" beverages... --csloat 10:03, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Some suggestions and questions: Blank Verse  ∅ 28 June 2005 04:51 (UTC)
 * For Intent to Attend, you might add a column for where the person is coming from, and another column for over/under 21 to get an idea of how many are of drinking age.
 * Also: What criteria are you using for contacting people?
 * Have you done any Wikipedia-wide publicity yet (Village Pump, Announcements, Goings-on, Wikipedia Signpost, etc.)?
 * While LA-area Wikipedians are being contacted, would this also be a good time to try to organize a Southern California WikiProject?
 * If there are enough people coming from places like Santa Barbara, San Diego, and Bakersfield, the meetup should probably be near the Chinatown/Olvera Street area so they could take Amtrak to Union Station.

Those are some excellent suggestions, some of which I had already considered (and perhaps others have, as well). - Eric 28 June 2005 22:51 (UTC)
 * Either that or invest in a good therapist ;^) --csloat 28 June 2005 23:05 (UTC)
 * Criteria for contacting people: I have been cruising all over L.A.-interest pages' histories and contacting people that appear to have L.A.-specific knowledge (and do not specify a different place of residence on their User page). (I've been surprised just how much excellent writing and editing of these pages has been done by just a small group of the same people).
 * Publicity: Nope, haven't gone that route yet (aside from listing us on the Wikimeetup page). (Everyone is welcome to help me out here.)
 * Wikiproject: I welcome anyone to help spread the word through relevent WikiProjects, and perhaps L.A. Wikimeetups of the future will help lead to more Wikiprojects.
 * Union Station: I DO consider access to public transportation to be an important need (although I'll be driving). I'm curious how many of us might be planning on using public transit?
 * I have not been contacting people that listed themseleves as living in Ventura County- perhaps that's a mistake (I hate feeling like a spammer)? I suppose I thought we'd see how well it went with folks that lived within about 45 minutes from "Core L.A." (within the ring of the 101/405/10/110 freeways), before trying to talk people from Bakersfield into coming down. (Although, I suppose people in Bakersfield might be used to LONG commutes to do anything interesting : )  (Sorry, Central Valley folks, I love you, I really do.)
 * HEY EVERYONE! HELP SPREAD THE WORD! - I do not consider this to be MY meetup. This is OUR meetup! Post a little friendly link back to the Meetup page on some peoples' user pages (as I did many of you). Be bold! (Preferrably, check first that their User page doesn't say they're born-and-raised in L.A. but now live in Addis Ababa.
 * I wish I was near L.A. in July 25, but it's the middle of the summer and I have to travel :) Hopefully I can attend the next one; I will be back at the end of August. --Nerval 29 June 2005 01:22 (UTC)

 * Sorry, Can't make it, on accouint of I live 3,000 miles away, in New York. But I hope it's a sucess. Pacific Coast Highway June 29, 2005 02:13 (UTC)

 * re: Union Station: Since this is the first Los Angeles WikiMeetup (and only the 3rd West Coast meetup after than the two in Seattle) I imagine that you might get people from as far away as San Francisco and Las Vegas wanting to attend, although holding the meetup on a Monday rather than on a Saturday makes it harder to come from that far away. Having the meetup either near Union Station, or near LAX would help those coming from far away. I would suggest trying to recruit anyone from the Southern California area within a half-day's drive of LA. You also need to add a notice to the Meta:WikiMeetup page. Also: As far as publicity goes, would there be any objections to sending a press release to some of the local newspapers once plans are finalized to try to generate more publicity for the Wikipedia? Final Question: Have you asked User:Jimbo Wales if there was any chance that he'd be able to make an LA meetup? Blank Verse  ∅  29 June 2005 10:20 (UTC)
 * One other idea: I don't participate at all in the mailing list, but there probably should be some publicity about the LA meetup on the mailing list as well. Blank Verse  ∅  29 June 2005 12:02 (UTC)

 * If you look at Jimbo's User page, its clear that his schedule is well spoken for for some time already. I'd love to try to get him to attend a future one, though, if he isn't touring Europe at the time.  I'm in favor of getting a diversity of Wiki-experience levels to attend, but an ad in a local newspaper may cause us to get a disproportionate number of attendees that don't know what Wikipedia is.  I encourage you to help spread the word through Wiki, though. As for Ventura/Santa Barbara/San Diego/Orange/Riverside counties- there's no harm in inviting, but for a Monday night thing, we might be sending some of these people home rather late (long after public transit shuts down, too).  I propose, after having a few Monday night meetups, to poll interest in having a Saturday afternoon thing that could draw a wider crowd. - Eric
 * MetaWiki said Jimbo will be in San Deigo at October 17-18, 2005, so that gives us another chance to see him. Plus, I probably will need to use the public transportation, unless other SD Wikipedians are showing up. Also, sadly, I cannot go to the second location due to my age (I'm 19). But thanks for inviting us SD Wikipedians to this. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 29 June 2005 21:29 (UTC)

re: Newspaper publicity: I don't think that I was very clear about what I was proposing. I was thinking of trying to get a reporter to show up at the meetup to report on it. Blank Verse  ∅ 29 June 2005 21:43 (UTC)

 * Anyone know how to get reporters to come to these sorts of things? It could be good spread-the-word press for Wiki.  - Eric 30 June 2005 10:03 (UTC)

 * One approach would be a general press release sent to all the major area newspapers, with some possible customization for smaller news publications (local area resident Joe Blow will be attending the SoCal Wikipedia meetup...). The second approach would be to contact specific newspaper columnists who you think might be interested, especially those that specialize in technology issues. Blank Verse  ∅  30 June 2005 10:44 (UTC)

SoCal WikiProject
Since the people participating here are some of the most active editors on Southern California-related topics, I want to bring to their attention the creation of WikiProject Southern California, and WikiProject California. Although there are too many WikiProjects that have become moribund after a brief flurry of activity, and even a few WikiProjects that never really got off the ground, there are other WikiProjects that have done a very good job of helping to improve the articles within their purview. Hopefully these two California WikiProjects will be in the latter category. Blank Verse  ∅ 1 July 2005 04:14 (UTC)

Timing
Unfortunately this comes between Apachecon and Wikimania, and I'll be in Germany. Next time... --Brion July 5, 2005 04:24 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost
Both the LA-area meetup, and the new California and Southern California WikiProjects were mentioned in the latest issue of the Wikipedia Signpost. Blank Verse  ∅ 5 July 2005 05:30 (UTC)

Reminder
Did we settle on a restaurant? Do we have a time? Should we send out reminders? Are there any projects/discussion topics/games that we should organize? Door prizes? -Willmcw 06:51, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
 * Anyone know anything about Wiki bots? We could really use a bot that could post reminders to attending users' talk pages.  - Eric 09:53, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * One problem is that you should have created this page as a page move from the old page since that way everybody who had put the old page on their watchlist would catch any changes to the page. As for 'bots, User:AllyUnion is one of the Wikipedia experts on bots, but I understand that many of them had problems with the last upgrade to the MediaWiki software. Blank Verse  ∅  11:14, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Stuff to do
I will bring some signs, a camera, and an attendance sheet. My suggestions on stuff to do:
 * 1) Self-introductions
 * 2) A trivia game - I'm currently writing one - anyone with a good trivia question should e-mail it to me at eric at ericshalov.com. (Please put "wiki or wikipedia" somewhere in the body of the message.)
 * 3) Call for speakers - anyone want to give a 5-10 minute talk about an area they find particularly interesting, or that less experienced Wikipedians may benefit from? i.e. Worst Wiki pet peeves and how to avoid them?  How to resolve edit conflicts, vandalism, problems with other Wikipedians... Current status of a WikiProject... History of Wiki...  etc.. ?  - Eric 11:10, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Locations considered
Voting for location has closed. (Option 4, Philippe's won by a landslide.) Please submit your suggestions for future L.A. Meetup locations to the Meetup page for the next meetup after this one.

The location that had the most votes on July 18, 2005 was the site of L.A. Meetup #1.

Intent to Attend
Please indicate your Intent to attend as a percentage (i.e., 100% would be promising to attend, 0% would be promising NOT to attend, 50% if you have no idea either way) Mark an X under Interested in being a Host'' if you'd like to help organize the gathering (hosts help everyone find each other at the meetup location, and start the introductions and such)

Getting there

 * Driving: Philippe's has a large parking lot on Ord St., just across the street from the restaurant.
 * MTA: Union Station (the "end of the line" for the MTA Red Line, is on Alameda, just one block south of the restaurant.

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Robert Thoroton

Dr Robert Thoroton (4 October 1623 – c. 21 November 1678) was an English antiquary, mainly remembered for his county history, The Antiquities of Nottinghamshire (1677).

Life
Thoroton belonged to an old Nottinghamshire family, which took its name from Thoroton, near Newark. He resided mainly at another village in the same neighbourhood, Car Colston, where he practised as a physician, and lived the life of a country gentleman. He took little part in the Civil War, but his sympathies were with the royalists. However, as a magistrate he was very active in persecuting the Quakers. In return, the Quakers were active in recording the occasions on which he imposed heavy fines on poor members of their faith, often depriving them of the tools to make a living.

In 1667 Thoroton, aided by a band of helpers, began work on his great county history, The Antiquities of Nottinghamshire. This was published in London in 1677. It was dedicated to the eminent antiquarian William Dugdale, and illustrated by engravings by Wenceslaus Hollar. It was Dugdale who had urged Thoroton to complete the work of history begun by Thoroton's father-in-law.

Some six years before his death, Thoroton commissioned an elaborate coffin carved from red Mansfield stone, and incised with the coats of arms of his various ancestors. He was buried at Car Colston in the coffin; but in 1845, during restoration work on the chancel of St Mary's Church, it was unearthed and opened. Thoroton's skull was removed and placed in a shop in the village as a "curiosity". The vandalism was subsequently discovered, and the vicar ordered the remains to be collected, replaced within the coffin and reinterred.

In 1797 a new edition of the Antiquities, expanded to three volumes, was published by John Throsby (1740–1803).

Legacy
The Thoroton Society of Nottinghamshire was founded in 1897, and named in honour of the antiquarian, its object being to promote the study of the history and antiquities of Nottinghamshire. It publishes an annual volume of Transactions, and a separate Record Series of primary source materials.

A brass plaque to the memory of Thoroton is in Car Colston church.

Myles Thoroton Hildyard, a descendant of Robert Thoroton's brother and heir, who lived at Flintham Hall, Flintham, served as president of the Thoroton Society for many years until his death in 2005.

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List of Afghans

The following is a list of notable Afghan people, which includes all the ethnic groups of the modern state of Afghanistan. Afghanistan has gone through territorial changes. This list generally excludes Ethnic Pashtuns who originate from regions that were not controlled by Afghanistan at the time, though there are exceptions for certain figures who are prominent to Pashtuns. It also includes historical figures coming from the present day borders of Afghanistan, even if they were non-Pashtuns.

Monarchs

 * Humayun (reigned 26 December 1530 – 17 May 1540) Second Mughal emperor
 * Demetrius I of Bactria (c. 200 – c. 180 BCE) King of Bactria
 * Eucratides I (reigned 171–145 BC) King of the Bactrian Empire
 * Menander I (reigned 165/155–130 BC) Indo-Greek king
 * Mahmud of Ghazni (reigned 998 – 30 April 1030) Sultan of the Ghaznavid Empire
 * Ghiyath al-Din Muhammad (reigned 1163 – 11 February 1203) Sultan of the Ghurid Empire
 * Muhammad of Ghor (reigned 1173–1202) Sultan of the Ghurid Sultanate
 * Muhammad Shah (reigned 27 September 1719 – 26 April 1748) 13th Mughal Emperor
 * Abu Sa'id Mirza (reigned Samarkand: 1451–1469,Herat: 1459–1469) Ruler of the Timurd empire
 * Alauddin Khalji (reigned 19 July 1296 – 4 January 1316) Turco-Afghan Ruler of Delhi Sultanate
 * Ulugh Beg II (reign 1461–1502) Timiurd Ruler of Kabul and Ghazni
 * Sayed Kayan Sayed Nadir Shah Al-Hussaini Kayani who was known as Sayed Kayan was a prominent Islamic philosopher, religious and political figure.
 * Abul-Qasim Babur Mirza Timiurd Ruler of khorasan
 * Sher Shah Suri (1537 – 22 May 1545) Founder of the Suri Empire in India,
 * Sultan Husayn Bayqara (reigned 1469 – 4 May 1506) Amir of the Timurid Empire
 * Ahmad Shah Durrani (1747–1772) was the founder of the Durrani Empire and is regarded by some (though there is no historical record) as the founder of the modern state of Afghanistan
 * Jalal-ud-din Khalji (reigned 13 June 1290 - 19 July 1296) Founder of the Khalji dynasty, 12th Ruler of the Delhi Sultanate
 * Kalu Khan Yousufzai - Yousufzai Afghan monarch of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. known for the Battle of Malandari Pass (1586)

Presidents

 * Daoud Khan
 * Nur Muhammad Taraki
 * Mohammad Najibullah
 * Burhanuddin Rabbani
 * Hamid Karzai
 * Ashraf Ghani-served as the fifth president of Afghanistan,and as the second and final president of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan.

Politicians and diplomats

 * Muhammad Yunus Nawandish, was the Mayor of Kabul from after his appointment by Afghan President Hamid Karzai in January 2010
 * Mohammad Siddiq Chakari
 * Sayed Mansur Naderi Former Vice-President of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan
 * Abdul Ahmad Zahedi Niqala
 * Sadat Mansoor Naderi, Former State Minister for Peace
 * Wahid Omar
 * Amrullah Saleh the second Panjshir resistance
 * Rafael Pinhasi Israeli politician
 * Mahmud Tarzi Afghan politician and intellectual, known as founder of Afghan journalism
 * Mohammad Ibraheem Khwakhuzhi
 * Zalmay Khalilzad Afghan-American diplomat and foreign policy expert
 * Rangin Dadfar Spanta
 * Gulbuddin Hekmatyar
 * Ali Ahmad Khan Afghan politician and self proclaimed Emir of Afghanistan for a few weeks
 * Ismael Balkhi Hazara political leader and reformist
 * Abdul Rahman Pazhwak diplomat, scholar and poet
 * Abdul Qadir (Afghan communist) Afghan politician, diplomat, and military officer
 * Mohammed Aziz Khan Afghan prince and diplomat
 * Abdur Rahim Khan (governor) Afghan governor of Herat
 * Abdul Rashid Dostum Afghan warlord
 * Farkhunda Zahra Naderi, Former MP and Senior Advisor to President Ashraf Ghani
 * Juma Khan Hamdard governor of Paktia Province from 2007 to 2015
 * Al-Sari ibn al-Hakam(died November 820) served twice as the Abbasid Caliphate's governor of Egypt.
 * Sayed Mohammad Ali Jawid Afghan politician
 * Khairullah Khairkhwa current Afghan Minister of Information and Culture and a former Minister of the Interior.
 * Kubra Noorzai Afghan politician. She was the first woman to become a government minister in the country.
 * Nasima Razmyar Afghan-Finnish politician, elected to the Finnish Parliament in 2015
 * Mohammad Nabi Omari Afghan politician, governor of Khost province and held for nearly twelve years in extrajudicial detention in the United States Guantanamo Bay
 * Abdul Ali Mazari political leader of the Hezb-e Wahdat party
 * Khushnood Nabizada Chief of Staff to State Ministry for Peace (SMP)
 * Ahmad ibn Nizam al-Mulk born in Balkh, Persian vizier of the Seljuq Empire and then the Abbasid Caliphate.
 * Shah Mahmud Khan Prime Minister of Afghanistan from May 1946 to 7 September 1953, under King Mohammed Zahir Shah's monarchy
 * Abdul Hadi Dawi Afghan poet, diplomat and government official.

Military figures

 * Kamal al-Din Gurg (died late 1315 or early 1316), general of the Delhi Sultanate ruler Alauddin Khalji.
 * Adham Khan general of Akbar the Great, third Mughal empire
 * Mullah Omar Mujahideen leader, co-founder of the Taliban and served as its first leader
 * Ahmad Shah Massoud military commander
 * Jalaluddin Haqqani Afghan insurgent commander who founded the Haqqani network
 * Ala al-Dawla Mirza Timurid prince and a grandson of the Central Asian ruler Shah Rukh
 * Bairam Khan military commander and commander-in-chief of the Mughal army
 * Wazir Akbar Khan Afghan prince, general and Emir
 * Habibullāh Kalakāni leader of the Saqqawists
 * Abdul Qadir (Afghan communist) military officer in the Afghan Air Force
 * Commander Shafi Hazara ethnic Hazara military commander in Afghanistan
 * Kabir Andarabi military official
 * Sayed Jafar Naderi Military Official and former governor of Baghlan province.
 * Abdul Rasul Sayyaf Mujahideen commander
 * Dadullah Taliban's senior military commander in Afghanistan until his death in 2007
 * Obaidullah Akhund Defence Minister in the Afghan Taliban government of 1996–2001
 * Amin Wardak major Afghan Mujahideen leader
 * Abdul Raziq Achakzai Afghan Army Lieutenant General and Police Chief, considered to be one of the most powerful security officials in Afghanistan for the last few years of his life
 * Tahir ibn Husayn General and Governor of Khurasan during the Abbasid caliphate
 * Masrur al-Balkhi senior military officer in the late-9th century Abbasid Caliphate
 * Azad Khan Afghan military commander
 * Sardar Shah Wali Khan political and military figure in Afghanistan
 * Mohammad Akram, vice Chief of Staff of the Afghan National Army; died in a suicide attack in 2005.
 * Mohammad Fahim (1957-2014), Marshal in the Afghan National Army

Scientists

 * Jamal ad-Din al-Afghani – philosopher
 * Hedayat Amin Arsala – economist
 * Mohammad Amin Fatemi – physician
 * Nake M. Kamrany – professor of economics
 * Habib Mangal – physician
 * Abdul Ahad Mohmand – astronaut, he became the first Afghan citizen and the fourth Muslim to visit outer space, he also made Pashto the 4th spoken language in space.
 * Abdul Karim Mustaghni
 * M. Ishaq Nadiri – professor of economics
 * Ghulam Faroq Nijrabi – physician
 * Abbas Noyan – engineer
 * Hamidullah Qalandarzai – engineer
 * Mohammad Qayoumi – engineer; president of San Jose State University
 * Daud Shah Saba – geologist
 * Sima Samar – physician
 * Habiba Sarobi – hematologist
 * Nazif Shahrani – professor of anthropology
 * Kabir Stori – psychologist
 * Zemaryalai Tarzi – archeologist
 * Abdul Qayum Tutakhail – physician
 * Ghulam Sediq Wardak – inventor
 * Sediq Afghan – mathematician
 * Abu Ma'shar al-Balkhi (787-886 AD) – astrologer
 * Abu Zayd al-Balkhi (850–934 AD) – geographer and mathematician
 * Al-Muqanna (-783 AD) – chemist, also known for leading an Islamic revolt and claiming to be a prophet
 * Al-Sijzi (945-1020 AD) – Muslim astronomer, mathematician, and astrologer

Entrepreneurs

 * Noor Akbari
 * Sadat Mansoor Naderi
 * Fahim Hashimy
 * Safi Rauf
 * Fatema Akbari
 * Ehsan Bayat
 * Sherkhan Farnood
 * Fauzia Gailani, Gilani ethnic Pashtun
 * Mahmud Karzai
 * Roya Mahboob
 * Sher Khan Nashir
 * Saad Mohseni
 * Kamila Sidiqi
 * Khushnood Nabizada

Historians

 * Abu Mansour al-Hosein ibn Muhammad al-Marghani
 * Hamid Naweed
 * Akram Assem
 * Ghulam Mohammad Ghobar (1898–1978)
 * Zalmay A. Gulzad
 * Abdul Hai Habibi (1910–1984)
 * Faiz Mohammad Katib Hazara
 * Omara Khan Massoudi – geographer, historian
 * Abdul Shakoor Rashad (1921–2004)
 * Abd al-Razzaq Samarqandi – chronicler and Islamic scholar
 * Khvandamir

Actors and film directors

 * Latif Ahmadi – director of Afghan Film, Afghanistan's state-run film company
 * Leena Alam – actress
 * Siddiq Barmak (born 1962) – directed the drama film Osama (2003)
 * Abdul Ghafoor Breshna – painter, music composer, poet and film director
 * Sonia Nassery Cole – directed the drama film The Black Tulip (2010)
 * Zohre Esmaeli (born 1985) – model, author, designer
 * Fahim Fazli – actor, author, modification speaker, cultural technical advisor for US Marines
 * Azita Ghanizada, actress
 * Marina Golbahari
 * Haji Kamran
 * Kader Khan (1937–2018), Bollywood film actor and producer
 * Ahmad Khan Mahmidzada
 * Mamnoon Maqsoodi (born 1966)
 * Celina Jaitly, actress in Indian cinema
 * Anisa Wahab
 * Abdul Wahid Nazari (born 1953)
 * Nelofer Pazira
 * Soosan Firooz
 * Arshi Khan, model and celebrity
 * Atiq Rahimi – French-Afghan filmmaker, writer
 * Salim Shaheen
 * Kawa Ada

Writers (including journalists)

 * Mohammad Jan Fana (born 1932)
 * Nelufar Hedayat
 * Khaled Hosseini (born 1965)
 * Hafizullah Khaled
 * Qiamuddin Khadim
 * Sultan Munadi (1976–2009)
 * Fariba Nawa (born 1973)
 * Nelofer Pazira
 * Dr. Hafiz Sahar (1928–1982)
 * Sayed Ihsanuddin Taheri
 * Mahmud Tarzi (1865–1933)
 * Sakena Yacoobi
 * Rahnaward Zaryab
 * Ahmad Javeed Ahwar
 * Tamim Ansary
 * Homeira Qaderi
 * Gul Mohamad Zhowandai
 * Leila Christine Nadir
 * Abu Ubaid al-Qasim bin Salam (770–838) philologist and the author of many standard works on lexicography, Qur’anic sciences
 * Abu Mansur al-Azhari (895–980) lexicographer, philologist and grammarian of Arabic; prominent philogist of his time
 * Abdul Khaliq Hussaini journalist, activist
 * Aziz Ullah Haidari journalist
 * Chékéba Hachemi Afghan feminist and writer
 * Mohammad Haider Zhobal history writer
 * Nelufar Hedayat, journalist
 * Yalda Hakim, journalist
 * Dr. Hafiz Sahar (1928–1982)
 * Khushnood Nabizada, journalist and entrepreneur

Poets

 * Jalāl ad-Dīn Mohammad Rūmī the great Sufi mystic and poet of 13th century
 * Khwaja Abdullah Ansari
 * Hafizullah Khaled
 * Hamza Baba (1907–1994) Sage of Herat, the great Sufi mystic of 11th century
 * Rahman Baba (1650–1715)
 * Wasef Bakhtari
 * Khalilullah Khalili (1907–1987)
 * Ghani Khan (1914–1996)
 * Khushal Khan Khattak (1613–1689)
 * Latif Nazemi (born 1947)
 * Parween Pazhwak (born 1967)
 * Pir Roshan (1525–1582/1585)
 * Sana Safi
 * Layla Sarahat Rushani (died 2004)
 * Hakim Sanai (1080–1131)
 * Kabir Stori (1942–2006)
 * Mahmūd Tarzī (1830–1900)
 * Nazo Tokhi
 * Qahar Asi (1956–1994)
 * Wasef Bakhtari
 * Mohammad Hashem Zamani
 * Rabia Balkhi from the city of Balkh, possibly the first female poet of Persian literature
 * Abu al-Fath al-Busti (942–1010)
 * Abdul Bari Jahani Afghan poet, most notable work is the national anthem of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan
 * Makhfi Badakhshi
 * Nadia Anjuman
 * Abdul Rahman Pazhwak (1919–1995)
 * Ali-Shir Nava'i (1441–1501) poet, writer, politician, linguist, mystic and painter
 * Unsuri 10-11th century Persian poet, from Balkh
 * Matiullah Turab

Artists

 * Dust Muhammad – born in Herat, Persian painter of miniatures, calligrapher, and art historian. Disciple of Kamāl ud-Dīn Behzād
 * Kamāl ud-Dīn Behzād – (1455–1535), painter
 * Ali-Shir Nava'i – (1441–1501)
 * Mariam Ghani – visual artist, photographer, filmmaker
 * Lida Abdul – video artist and performance artist
 * Malina Suliman – graffiti artist, metalworker, and painter
 * Abdul Ghafoor Breshna – one of Afghanistan's most talented artists
 * Shamsia Hassani – graffiti artist, a fine arts lecturer, and the associate professor of Drawing and Anatomy Drawing at the Kabul University

Religious figures

 * Sufis Mystics and Attendants.jpg[[Ibrahim ibn Adham]] – early ascetic Sufi saint
 * Asif Mohseni – Afghan Twelver Shi'a Marja'
 * Muqatil ibn Sulayman – scholar of Islam, wrote earliest, possibly first commentaries of the Quran
 * Hiwi al-Balkhi – 9th century exegete and critic of the bible
 * Ali Hujwiri – 11th-century sunni Muslim mystic, theologian and preacher.
 * Shahid Balkhi – Persian theologian, philosopher, poet and Sufi. Famous Persian poet Rudaki has a poem in Balkhi's elegy.
 * Ali al-Qari – Islamic scholar
 * Haji Dost Muhammad Qandhari – Afghan Sufi master
 * Sheikh Mohammad Rohani – Sufi cleric born around 1220 AD
 * Abobaker Mojadidi – spiritual Muslim leader and socio-political activist
 * Ahmed Gailani – was the leader of the Qadiriyyah Sufi order in Afghanistan
 * Mirza Muhammad Ismail – Afghan religious scholar and the first convert to the Ahmadiyya faith
 * Sultan Balkhi – 14th century Muslim saint, known for preaching Islam in Bengal
 * Ibn Hibban – scholar, Muhaddith, historian and author of well-known works
 * Malak Yousaf Afghan – primogenitor of the Qazyan family

Sportspeople

 * Rashid Khan – cricketer, the ICC Men's T20I Player of the Decade
 * Mohammad Nabi – cricketer, 1st in Allrounder rankings.
 * Mujeeb Ur Rahman – cricketer
 * Hamid Hassan – cricketer
 * Hazratullah Zazai – cricketer, led Afghanistan to the highest T20I score of 278/3
 * Rahmanullah Gurbaz – cricketer
 * Qais Ahmad – cricketer
 * Asghar Afghan – cricketer, Afghanistan's former captain and ended his career with the highest T20I wins as a captain.
 * Rohullah Nikpai – first Afghanistan's Taekwondo Olympic winner of 2008 and 2012
 * Mustafa Amini – Afghan-Australian footballer
 * Javed Ahmadi – cricketer
 * Sandjar Ahmadi – footballer
 * Raees Ahmadzai – cricketer
 * Yamin Ahmadzai – cricketer
 * Shamsuddin Amiri – footballer
 * Jan Alam Hassani – volleyballer
 * Qaher Hazrat – cyclist
 * Gulbadin Naib – cricketer
 * Nasratullah Nasrat – cricketer
 * Said Karimulla Khalili – Russian-Afghan biathlete
 * Dawlat Zadran – cricketer
 * Siyar Bahadurzada – UFC fighter
 * Nadia Nadim – footballer
 * Jeff Bronkey – Afghan-American former Major League Baseball pitcher
 * Shamila Kohestani – footballer, and former captain of the Afghanistan women's national football team
 * Hussain Sadiqi – Afghan Australian martial artist
 * Khaleqdaad Noori – cricketer
 * Moshtagh Yaghoubi – Afghan-born Finnish footballer

Musicians (including composers)

 * Omar Akram – Grammy Award-winning Afghan-American recording artist, composer and pianist
 * Aryana Sayeed
 * Naghma
 * Dawood Sarkhosh
 * Farhad Darya
 * Soosan Firooz – actress and rapper
 * Mozhdah Jamalzadah
 * Miri Maftun
 * Latif Nangarhari
 * Nasrat Parsa
 * Ahmad Zahir
 * Hangama
 * Ahmad Wali
 * Ubaidullah Jan – Pashto singer
 * Nashenas – one of the oldest surviving musicians from Afghanistan
 * Rukhshana – one of the first Afghan female singers
 * Rahim Bakhsh
 * Abdul Rahim Sarban – singer
 * Nainawaz – artist, poet and composer; composed some of the most iconic pieces in Afghan popular music

Female activists

 * Sima Samar – human rights, democracy, first Afghan's Noble award candidate
 * Aryana Sayeed – women's rights activist and famous singer
 * Roqia Abubakr
 * Sitara Achakzai – women's rights activist
 * Jamila Afghani – founder of Noor Educational and Capacity Development Organization (NECDO)
 * Safia Ahmed-jan – women's rights activist
 * Khadija Ahrari – helped give women the right to vote
 * Fatema Akbari
 * Farkhunda Zahra Naderi Women Rights Activist
 * Farida Azizi – advocate for peace and women's rights.
 * Marzia Basel – advocate for women's education
 * Mariam Ghani – artist and advocate for women's rights
 * Laila Haidari (born 1978)
 * Malalai Joya (born 1978)
 * Fawzia Koofi
 * Anahita Ratebzad (1931–2014)
 * Masuma Esmati Wardak
 * Manizha Wafeq
 * Asila Wardak

Others

 * Safi Rauf (born 1994)
 * Ahmad Massoud (born 1989)
 * Sharbat Gula (born 1972)
 * Abdul Khaliq Hussaini (born 1977)
 * Mir Masjidi Khan (died 1841) – Afghan resistance leader
 * Youssof Kohzad – writer, painter, playwright, artist, poet and actor
 * Abdul Majid Zabuli (1896–1998) – founder of Bank-e-Melli Afghanistan
 * Zallascht Sadat – model
 * Vida Samadzai – model
 * Vida Mohammad – model
 * Khwaja Usman – Mughal opponent, Baro-Bhuyan chieftain
 * Abdul Latif Pedram – professor of literature
 * Azizullah Royesh – social activist
 * Al-Farabi (872–950) early Islamic philosopher and polymath; also known as Alpharabius in the west
 * Razia Muradi (born 1995/1996) academic
 * Abdul Khaliq Hazara – assassin
 * Ghulam Muhammad Tarzi – soldier, poet, and military leader
 * Nur Jahan – Empress consort of Mughal Empire
 * Khalid ibn Barmak – born in Balkh, 8th century Soldier and administrator
 * Robert Joffrey – born Anver Bey Abdullah Jaffa Khan to Afghan father and Italian mother; choreographer, dancer, director
 * Afghana – tribal chief or prince of Pashtuns, traditionally considered the progenitor of modern-day Pashtuns.
 * Yoram Cohen – born to Afghan Jewish parents, director of Israel's internal security service "Shin Bet"
 * Zablon Simintov – Afghan Jewish carpet trader and restaurateur; widely known for being thought as the last Jew remaining in Afghanistan
 * Malalai of Maiwand – national folk hero of Afghanistan also known as "Afghan Jeanne d'Arc"; rallied the Pashtun fighters to fight against the British invaders in the Battle of Maiwand causing an Afghan victory
 * Trapusa and Bahalika – first two lay disciples of the Buddha
 * Durkhanai Ayubi – Afghan-Australian food expert, restaurateur, and prize-winning cookbook author
 * Mohammad Sharif Razai – medical doctor and researcher
 * Roxana princess that Alexander the Great married, either born in Bactria (Balkh) or Sogodia
 * Faiz Ahmad – Marxist–Leninist Afghan revolutionary and the founding leader of the Afghanistan Liberation Organization (ALO)
 * Baysunghur – prince from the house of Timurids

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User:Pym98

I am a tourist here. Ok. Something interesting over there.

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