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Talk:Prince Henry of Prussia (1862–1929)

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He's never called this. We need a better way to disambiguate the two Prince Henries. john k 04:46, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Requested move

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Moved. —Centrx→talk • 02:38, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Prince Albert Wilhelm Heinrich of Prussia → Prince Heinrich of Prussia – The page for Prince Heinrich of Prussia is a DAB page. He wasn't called Prince Albert Wilhelm Heinrich, just Heinrich, or Henry. A DAB link to the older Prince Heinrich/Henry could always be put on the moved page. I'd actually prefer this to be at Prince Henry of Prussia because he was more often called Henry, but since the other prince is there, I think Heinrich would be good. Morhange 04:09, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Survey

 * Support as nominator. Morhange 04:21, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Support - Heinrich (Henry) is the most common name used. Prsgodd e ss187 11:31, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Support Noel S McFerran 11:41, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Support Lethiere 03:53, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
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It seems deeply artificial to me to have an article Prince Henry of Prussia on Frederick the Great's brother, and Prince Heinrich of Prussia on William II's brother. I'd suggest moving these articles to Prince Henry of Prussia (1726-1802) and Prince Henry of Prussia (1862-1929). john k 11:33, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

 * This is a problem encountered among many such sets of royals on Wikipedia. For example, Austrian Francises (Franzes, etc) and some German/Prussian Williams (Wilhelms). I believe it came to a point where they were dealt with individually if usage swayed similarly named royals to names of differing languages. Personally, my opinion is to anglicise all such sets of royals but it has been problematic in the past. Charles 23:29, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Wilhelm II's grandchildren?
Why aren't there articles for the grandchildren? I went to go link their names but they don't appear in the article. Somebody fix this. --Ragemanchoo (talk) 11:32, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Prince Henry of Germany visit to USA 1902
I'm just researching Irving Plaza in NYC and came across a ref that they had a tribute to 'Prince Henry' in Feb 1902, which he missed as his ship was delayed by storms. I see on YouTube an Edison film from a couple days later when the Roosevelts christen a new yacht "Meteor' for the Kaiser. Just thought I'd mention. "Prince Henry" seems to have been in common usage in the English speaking world. Wwwhatsup (talk) 01:10, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Ah! Found another one, and another, and another, and another, and another. H. seems to have done pretty well out of the visit - beer and cigs, and acclaim at home to boot! Wwwhatsup (talk) 04:45, 1 April 2010 (UTC)


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Sciritae

The Sciritae or Skiritai or Skioreitai or Skioritai (Greek: Σκιρῖται and Σκιωρεῖται) were a people subject to Sparta, whose status is comparable to that of the Perioeci. Deriving their name from the town of Skiritis, a mountainous region located in northern Laconia on the border with Arcadia, between the Oenus and the Eurotas rivers.

According to Stephanus of Byzantium and Hesychius of Alexandria, the Sciritae were of Arcadian origin. Their way of life was essentially rural: they mostly lived in villages, of which the biggest were Oion and Caryai. Their territory was inhospitable, but was of strategic importance for Sparta since it controlled the road to Tegea, which explains why it rapidly fell in Spartan hands. Their status was similar to that of the Perioeci, but Xenophon distinguished between them writing: "To meet the case of a hostile approach at night, he assigned the duty of acting as sentries outside the lines to the Sciritae. In these days the duty is shared by foreigners, if any happen to be present in the camp."

In war the Sciritae formed an elite corps of light infantry, a lochos (battalion) of about 600 men, which were used as a complement to the civic army. According to Thucydides (v. 67), they fought on the extreme-left wing in the battle-line, the most threatening position for the hoplite phalanx: "In this battle the left wing was composed of the Sciritae, who in a Lacedaemonian army have always that post to themselves alone". At night, they were placed as sentinels ahead of the army (Xenophon, Constitution of the Spartans, xii. 3) and acted as scouts to open the way for the king, whom they only could precede.

According to Suda, they were six hundred men and during the battle they were the first to engage and the last to withdraw.

In the Cyropaedia (IV, 2), Xenophon compares them to the Hyrcanian cavalry, used by the Assyrians as rear-guard.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Donkey Kong Coconut Crackers

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The result of the debate was MERGE. I have followed Y0u's suggestion. -Splash 16:51, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Donkey_Kong_Coconut_Crackers
This article should be deleted because it has no other potential than what is already there. It's not really telling us anything that can't be placed in another article about Donkey Kong Deezil 04:47, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I can't even tell what the article is saying. If it's a real game, Keep but clean-up.  If it is a cancelled project, and nothing more, clean-up and Merge somewhere.  You can of course merge things yourself.  It's a simpler process than you might think.  CanadianCaesar 04:53, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * The new version is infinitely better. Merge somewhere, although I may change my vote again- to keep- if notability is established. CanadianCaesar 05:30, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge into Rare (video game company), or possibly Donkey Kong. By the way, I've cleaned up the article to make this vote easier. --Pagrashtak 05:34, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge into Donkey Kong. - Che Nuevara, the Democratic Revolutionary 05:59, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge with Donkey Kong. --Angr/undefined 06:24, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge with both Donkey Kong and It's Mr. Pants and Redirect to It's Mr. Pants, the game's released title. Y0u (Y0ur talk page) (Y0ur contributions) 15:02, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Cancelled. -- A Link to the Past 04:19, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
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User:Redwolf24/Archive06

Hi
Hi there,

thanks for saying hello, I'm not really new on Wikipedia, have been editing the Polish and German Wikis for about three months. Shaqspeare 23:05, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Ah. Still, welcome to the English Wiki :) Redwolf24 23:05, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Hi, From FishFace
Uh, hi...

I also have been here for quite a time... Not particularly active, but I edit here and there :) Thus, I already new the gubbins about tildes and so on. With that, thanks and goodbye! Fish-Face 23:13, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Glad to bbe of service. Redwolf24 23:14, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Thank You!
Thank you for welcoming me so warmly to Wikipedia... I kind of started off making nonsense pages and vandalizing on purpose but I got past it and thought this is a really cool community, I might as well join and help fight vandalism and get some useful information on here. Jory Plummer

 * Good to see a bad user go good. Happy editing and remember to sign pages. Redwolf24 03:23, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

thanks for supporting me
Hello, just a quick note to express my gratitude for your support of my RfA. I'm sure I'll become a familiar face on places like the Administrator's Noticeboard and Requests for Adminship, as well as the murkier parts of my new job. "From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked." (Luke 12:48, NIV) Never was a truer word spoken. I feel empowered, yes, but not in the "oooh cool delete button!" way I was kind of expecting. Already I feel the weight of the responsibility I have now been entrusted with, a weight that will no doubt reduce given time. Thank you for believing in me. :) GarrettTalk 10:17, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

 * No problem but I hope youve checked AN/I, your name is up... Redwolf24 21:25, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I hadn't, and no-one informed me. That is not a good example from people trying to point out my own errors. GarrettTalk 01:04, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

I wouldn't say your name is "up;" it's more like you've been flat out attacked. Somewhere, Larry Sanger is having chest pains right now, and he doesn't know why. -- Essjay ·  Talk 21:37, July 22, 2005 (UTC)

 * In fairness, I'm not seeing any incivility in that exchange. El_C 21:41, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Me neither. Redwolf24 21:43, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

I feel that comments like:
 * I shouldn't have to trail around cleaning up your mess.
 * You don't have to be an administrator if you don't want to take on the responsibilities associated with the job.
 * Please carefully read the deletion policy and try to follow it. (Emphasis mine, in light of the previous comments)

are per se, de jure incivility. If I started a new job and someone told me that they shouldn't have to trail around cleaning up my mess within ten hours of me starting, and never even bothered to say "Welcome aboard," I'd tell them to take their job and shove it. (My apologies to those with sensitive ears.) From what I've seen around the site, it's indicative of the behavior of quite a few senior admins: "Criticise sharply, never constructively, and for God sake don't ever say good job." I think WP:DICK sums it up. -- Essjay ·  Talk 21:59, July 22, 2005 (UTC)

 * Its strange, just as we were all newbs once, every admin was an ADMIN NEWBIE, and they can get yelled at for that, they're just expected to know everything as soon as voted in. Of course, I don't think I'll be doing as much as you or Garret have on my first day... Redwolf24 22:10, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Gah, I've kind of been the sacrificial lamb here going to the slaughter. And yes we all know who the butcher was. But there will be a resolution... gee, reminds me of a song... :) GarrettTalk 01:04, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Remind them to Not bite the newbie administrator. Which should be me in 2 minutes! Redwolf24 01:15, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * As it is now, there are only a handful of admins that stand up and notice other users for their efforts, and not enough of them to defend others if its a controversial subject. (not that I know about those ;-) )  It will be nice to have 3 new admins that are willing not only to recogonize users for their benefits, but also stand up for them if they are taking heat for something that may have been a misunderstaning or mistake.   ∞ Who ? ¿ ?  01:24, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Congrats again Redwolf. =).  Sorry to hear about all this happening to you guys.  Just remember to follow the policy to the letter, don't bend the rules when it comes to speedy (admins were doing this a bit before, but the intention of the new CSD rules was to make new policy so you don't have to bend the rules).  Review all the policy pages if you have to.  Take your time, if you're not sure about something, ask if you have too.  I'm sure this is all common sense, but I'm saying it anyway.  Anywho, admins still have to be civil, which it seems like tony was not aware of. -- BMIComp  (talk, HOWS MY DRIVING)

 * Don't jingse it now! El_C 01:22, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * You mean jinx. Anyways, as of five minutes ago I should be an admin. Redwolf24 01:23, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Oh yea, and congrats Redwolf24. ∞ Who ? ¿ ?  01:26, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Waiting... Redwolf24 01:27, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Hah! And most definitely do not correct my mis-spellingses! El_C 01:52, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Oh come on, Jingse? :-P Redwolf24 01:53, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * What? It's moderately comprehensible! El_C 02:01, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Well its also chinese, but I couldnt track down the translation for it ;) ∞ Who ? ¿ ?  02:05, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Leave me be! I'm promoting grammatical ignorance one word at a time! El_C 02:09, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * hahahaha, Way to go >xD Redwolf24 02:11, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Not only that, but promoting grammatical proficiency as well, seeings I had to search all over to find a good match for the word. ∞ Who ? ¿ ?  02:13, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * It just occured to me now! /bows in incompetence. El_C 02:14, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Courtsey. Redwolf24 02:15, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * BTW, for more on the 2nd google entry, see User_talk:El_C. Short answer I did end up Jing.., erm, Jinxing it. [[Image:Meh.gif]] Surrealistically yours, El_C 02:19, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I should put that gif on my Awards page. Redwolf24 02:21, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Deleting photos
I have uploaded two photos I now wish to delete from Wikipedia's website. How do I do that?

Sean

 * List them at IFD. Redwolf24 00:20, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

??
I'm new at this, and I'm not sure what you instructions mean. I have uploaded to pictures. These pictures are currently not in any article in Wikipedia. I simple want to permanently delete them from the website. Again, how do I do this (in layman's terms).

Sean

Ok first of all, instead of typing Sean, type ~. It lets me trackback to you. Second of all, you can't delete the images as you are not an Admin. I should be one in about half an hour (see RfA). When I become one I'll delete them for you. What are the two images? Remember to link them. Redwolf24 00:42, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks.
Here are the two pics (by me, Sean Reynolds) I give you permisson to delete. By the way, sorry for the garbled language of the last message. Sometimes I type too fast.

Image:DCP 2155a.JPG

Image:Grand Children June 9 2005 102.jpg

Administrator
Congratulations, you're an admin! Be sure and take a look at the Administrators' reading list and Administrators' how-to guide if you haven't already. Please try to be conservative in the use of your newfound abilities until you are sure of the limits of community support for your actions. Best wishes, The Uninvited Co., Inc. 01:37, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Congrats!! Howabout1 Talk to me! 02:00, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * Congratulations, Redwolf24. I hope we can be friends despite the little hiatus of a week or so ago. Use your mop-and-gun wisely (and, read the policy first, or your talk page will go the way of another user's...) -Splash 02:31, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Haha I accidentally reverted TO vandalism. Other than that, check my log, I'm doing well. Redwolf24 02:33, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * TO vandalism? I feel no particular urge to check admins' logs; I trust them, even if I miserly opposed their RfA. But since you invited me to, I would have done the same as you on your first three deletions, and have been particularly satisfied at the new policy now allowing the first two! -Splash 02:41, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes that Persecution of Jews one I screwed up, a very Newb mistake. Anyways yeah I hope we can become friends. If you need admin help, you know where to find me! Redwolf24 02:43, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Rock Star: INXS
It comes on CBS at like either 9 pm EST on mondays, 930 pm on tuesdays, and i think 10 pm on Wednesdays. something like that im not sure. Jobe6 01:44, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

 * Thank you! Redwolf24 01:45, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Persecution of Jews
Why did you revert back to the blanked version? --malathion talk 01:51, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Sorry I just became an administrator and I saw the [Rollback] thing. I thought you put that link there so I was clicking it. My apologies and that won't happen again. Redwolf24 01:52, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Bwahahah! Congratulations! Careful with those shiny new buttons, now. :D El_C 02:43, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * What does this button do... El C (talk) (block) Hmmm... :-P Redwolf24 02:44, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes, don't forget userblock! El_C 02:48, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes Ive been looking for some huge vandal to nuke :P Redwolf24 02:49, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Ah, I see you have just become an admin! Congratulations.  And I have to admit I got a chuckle out of the above ... I was a bit confused by all those shiny buttons at first too...  You'll be great:  happy editing and adminning! Antandrus  (talk) 04:05, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * If I got a laugh my job is done :) Just one action of mine I'm not sure about, I deleted Kristen Abel (you're an admin right? you can view it) but now Im not sure I should have. Everything else I've deleted I was sure about. Redwolf24 04:07, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Hm, seems to have been reincarnated. It's an obvious vanity article; that kind used to go through VfD, but I'd better go have a look at the "new speedy deletion criteria" in case they have really changed ... that part is news to me.  Antandrus  (talk) 04:10, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Please, tell me how I protect a page from being created. Redwolf24 04:14, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * The only way I know is to blank the page and then protect it (I've done this a couple of times because of persistent vandalism). You use the  tag and then list it on Protected page--there's a section for pages protected against article re-creation. Antandrus  (talk) 04:18, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * See comment below under Jwrosenzweig. Redwolf24 17:30, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Hi From Mr.Smith
Hello! Thank you for greeting me. I am, I admit, new to wikipedia. I would like to say something. On 23:19, on July 22, 2005, SogeKing hacked my Wikipedia with the message,"U CANNOT STOP TEH HAXZOR!1!!!1!1 TRY AS U CAN U SHAL NOT SUCSEED!121!! IF U DEFEET ME ANUTHER SHAL TAK MY PLASE!1!!11 LOLOL!1!1!12!." Before this, 69.237.175.153 amd 205.188.116.68 hacked it with the message ,"ZOMG TEH HAXZOR WAZ HEER!1!!11 JUS LIK IN TEH 'HOT COFFEE'11!!1 LOLOL1!1!!1 GO SPEED RACER, GO SPEED RACER, GO SPEED RACER, GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!11!!11!2" There were several "updates" leading up to this one. Please track them down. Thank you. Mr.Smith999999 02:36, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I warned SogeKing. Redwolf24 02:38, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

CONGRATS
I know I'm not the first to do this, but I would like to extend my congratulations to you on becoming an admin. I'm positive you will make an excellent addition to the admins, and know that you will continue to act just as civily as you have always done. Thanks for working with me on that article, and prompting the other soundtracks to come out of crappy little shortnesses. Keep up the good work, and have a great night. Again, congrats. :)

-mysekurity 03:03, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the congrats. Check my log once in a while to see how Im doing :D Redwolf24 03:06, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Yes well done. :) DarthVader 06:41, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

RfA voting
Hello. Thanks for the change of heart. Don't take my vote personally. I think you are a great Wikipedian. I just figured a little extra time would have been better. Congrats anyway. -- JamesTeterenko 04:01, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * sorry for that Newb mistake you caught me doing. Ironically enough I've been working on speedy's now. Redwolf24 04:03, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Redwolf24, you truly are a homo
You and Essjay are the biggest clueless admins on the face of wiki. Welcome to Jiang's Backdoor Banana, beeeeatch!--MickeyJiangBobbyhomo 05:00, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Is a Backdoor Banana for banana splits with fudge or chocolate? ∞ Who ? ¿ ?  05:09, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Haha, what I always wanted. Redwolf24 05:28, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanx
Thank you so much for the links and the introduction into the Wikipedia. I was a bit baffled at first when I saw what there was to edit, but I think I'm going to try and stick with it. :)Windsamurai 05:01, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * No problem. Redwolf24 05:03, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism in progress
Oh well, I guess I should have voted for you... Please block User:68.104.100.121. A number of us are reverting his edits. It appears that no admins are monitoring Vandalism in progress -- JamesTeterenko 06:03, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Done. Redwolf24 06:04, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks. -- JamesTeterenko 06:07, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations, my lupine friend
I think you'll do an admirable job as admin, and I welcome you to the post (moink's classic description of adminning would have me offer you a mop and pail...which is probably a good indication of the glamour of the job). I also want to commend your nobly independent spirit -- with 500+ admins working to rollback vandalism, your solitary efforts to restore it have in them a manic grace which is too fine for words. :-) Needless to say, my bizarre sense of humor (which enjoys sockpuppet accusations) finds the thought of you puzzled by the "rollback" link and clicking on it most amusing. Don't worry too much about it -- sometimes I misclick and rollback a legitimate edit....then have to rollback my own edit. Most embarassing. :-) I'll give you the best advice I can (which was given to me long ago) -- before you try anything new with your admin powers, talk with a trusted admin who's been around a while and knows the ropes. I tended to rely on Angela and mav when I was first an admin (and confused about transwiki, copyright resolution, page moves, etc.) -- even on simple deletions, it can be a good thing to get a second opinion. Especially the first time a user mouths off at you (or files a complaint) because of your admin work, before you write one word of response, it's good to get an outside opinion -- show them what happened, and ask what they might have done, and what should be said. It's honestly not a bad way to go every time you're under fire, but especially the first time. There you have it -- a pearl of wisdom, such as it is. Use it wisely. :-) Once again, my heartfelt and enthusiastic congratulations, Jwrosenzweig 06:23, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Mop and pail? That doesn't make sense!

 * The preceding comment was stupid and smartass like. You can help Wikipedia by killing it.

 * Now for the serious thing, if I need admin help I'll ask you. Now here's the first thing, how do I protect a page from being recreated? Redwolf24 06:27, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Heh, thanks for the confidence. Prevention of page recreation is near impossible.  If the title is remotely legitimate, it might be good as a redirect (it's much harder for casual vandals to figure out how to get to the actual redirect....of course, the down side is that you've supplied them with a nice article to vandalize) -- of course, redirs inhibit article contribution, so if there could ever be a legit article at the title, it's not an ideal solution.  I believe that, before you delete an article, you can put it on your watchlist...I think that survives deletion, so that if it ever reappears you notice it.  That's as close as they come.  This all, of course, assumes that there is no legitimate article waiting to be written for that title....if there is, write it, man! :-)  That or convince one of your army of minions to do so. :-) Sorry I'm not more helpful! Jwrosenzweig 06:34, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Well I've seen pages that I listed for deletion be protected from recreation. Redwolf24 17:30, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Wow. I wonder if, before you delete the page, you can protect it?  Odd.  But then what if someone someday wants to create the page in legitimate fashion?  Sounds like a good question for the village pump or else WP:AN (possibly Help desk...I can't keep track anymore).  If you do find out the answer, would you let me know?  I'd be most curious (and likely to weigh in with my opinion on the wisdom of the action). Jwrosenzweig 04:47, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Well you'd only protect articles from being created like... LOOK AT MY AMATEUR PORNSITE, IT GETS 14 HITS A MONTH! and the guy keeps on recreating it. I will let you know if I find it again. By the way I listed you at User:Redwolf24/Friends. Redwolf24 04:57, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Makes sense...I'd just want to be sure that was the policy in practice. :-) Thanks for keeping me aware.  Thank you doubly much for listing me as a friend -- I am honored to have gained your respect so swiftly.  I admit to feeling a little embarrased that your quasi-mentor was an absolute failure answering your first admin question. :-)  But I expect you'll be understanding.  Have fun adminning things. :-) Jwrosenzweig 05:05, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Its fair, I mean come on I dont even know what quasi is! Redwolf24 05:10, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I saw this discussion and figured I would jump in. See Category:Protected deleted pages.  -- JamesTeterenko 05:13, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks a LOT! James. :D :D  :D Redwolf24 06:01, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

 * No prob. Do you find it ironic that we both voted against each other for adminship, yet we have been helping each other out this weekend? :)  -- JamesTeterenko 06:25, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Hey, at least I changed MY vote :-P Redwolf24 09:10, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Okay, next time you are up for adminship, I'll be sure to vote for you. If you want, I'll even nominate you.  :) -- JamesTeterenko 03:32, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Actually to tell you the truth I hope to one day run for bureaucrat, but thats not for a long long long long long long long time. Redwolf24 03:34, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Adult photos/images question...
Hi. Thanks again for the warm welcome. So, here's something I haven't found a guideline on. Surfing the recent changes page, clicked on a new entry, and found, at the top of the page, a very large and fairly explicit pornographic set of images (definitely not work safe). Now, I can't imagine that's WP policy, but who knows. Thus, I'm asking you. For the record, the page is AHMO HIGHT. (I've left as-is.) Please advise. Thanks! --DNicholls 11:40, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I see no image... But WP does have a policy against pornographic images. Redwolf24 17:30, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Ah. Looks like someone got to it beforehand, which is welcome. (The writing was all fan/ad-driven POV anyway.) Thanks for your answer. --DNicholls 22:12, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Hey, just in case you want a link for that question. WP:NOT, if you didnt' have it ;) .  ∞ Who ? ¿ ?  22:20, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

I didn't know.
Thanks for the warning about the potential blocking, I didn't know that I was "recreating the page" over and over again; I merely thought I was continuing to edit it.

Also, I didn't find that I had "messages" until after I was already done editing because I've never received messages before until I attempted to create this page. I saw the miniature "You Have Messages" text completely by accident and I'm somewhat perturbed at what would have happened if I hadn't noticed. I meant no harm in the page's creation and was merely setting it up for a friend so that she might use it for college applications/references. This was the first "vanity" page I've ever created, and with the fire and brimstone it has wraught, it shall also be my last.

Again, many apologies for my ignorance. ~FinalStrife7

 * Sorry I think as a newbie admin I accidentally restored that article and I thought you did it so that was why I did the blunt warning. So sorry for the somewhat harsh warning, I'll remove it. Redwolf24 17:30, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks from r.e.s.
Hi Redwolf24 ... I appreciate the welcome message. The links you included are very helpful to me as a newcomer, and it's nice having them collected in one place. Some of them I knew about and/or had already read, but some not. (Also, I hadn't known about including a category on a newly-created page.) Thanks again, and Happy Wikipedia-ing. --r.e.s. 14:43:45, 2005-07-23 (UTC)

 * No problem Redwolf24 17:40, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Congrats!
Hey, congratulations! Sorry I couldn't come earlier; this wonderful hate message (the username as well) had me a bit preoccupied. Have fun with your new admin abilities! Sango 123  18:31, July 23, 2005 (UTC) (P.S. My birthday is 9-25-91).

 * I will, and if that person sends another hate message I will ban them temporarily. Redwolf24 20:31, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Lmao, apparently, that was his third.  When is Mr. Apple's bedtime, anyway? :)  Sango  123  20:38, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

 * Blocked for a week. See his talk page. Redwolf24. 20:57, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Hey, thanks! That was quick. Sango  123  22:02, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

 * No problem, if you ever need me you'll know where to find me. Redwolf24 22:58, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Cool Heads Unite!
Thanks for the welcome message. I really believe that Wikipedia is at the same time a real and fantastic asset to humanity, so let me express my gratitude for the work you (administrators and contributors) put into it.

 * No prob, but remember to sign with ~ Redwolf24 20:31, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Rock Star INXS
Mondays, CBS. Check local listings :)

 * I was already answered, but thanks for your help anyway :D Redwolf24 22:57, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Image:GradHat.gif
Hey, great job administrating! I noticed that Image:GradHat.gif doesn't have a tag. You might want to put one in there. --Matjlav 23:13, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the compliment, very appreciated. I uploaded that gradhat before I knew all about tagging, but I'm a fast learner. Its public domain. Redwolf24 23:20, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Reply to your introductory email
Hi Redwolf24,

Thank you for your introductory email, and congratulations on being made an administrator!

I'll check through the links that you mentioned.

Superior Interactive 00:17, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Good. You're on your way to becoming a fantastic user, I see you have somewhat of a grip on the format at that List of Beatles songs written by George Harrison page. :) Redwolf24 00:22, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

vaNdaL1Zm
OMG A GIRL!!!11111111!!!1 Oh noes this faggy admin bloked mi, ibe t he likes gurls HAahaAahaHAaAhAha (im so alone : Redwolf24 23:00, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * 0MG y0U vaN d4L1Zed mY t4Lk p4GE hoW d4RE Y0u yoU F4g!!!11!!111!1!! (And thanks; I'm deeply honored to be listed on User:Redwolf24/Friends. Have some cake!) Sango  123  02:28, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

 * Hahaha, I was making fun of Apples of course. If he pops up again I'll block for a month. Redwolf24 02:32, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

EcoDuro
Thanks for helping me along here. The VFD for EcoDuro was actually a pretty good learning experience and forced me to think some things through about WikPedia. It seems to me that the "governing body" is going to have to become seriously active in developing a pretty large number of guidelines that are "nurtured". I live in Ann Arbor, where we think a lot about these things because the University of Michigan has such an active Library Science school, and UMI (now Proquest) and Borders Books were founded here. Proquest has the second largest library in the United States in a combination of electronic and Microfilm vaults...anyway, in thinking all this through, it seems that WikiPedia will head towards a "credibility gap" if it is allowed to drift into a "group grope" (not sure you'll find that in the Dictionary, since I'm pretty sure I invented the term). Some of the challanges I have observed are:

- Motivating subject matter experts to overcome the friction created by lesser experts without creating so much control that Wiki diminishes the multiple perspectives. One of the GREATEST opportunities for the Wikipedia is to capture the multiple facets of history for the FIRST TIME IN RECORDED HISTORY. This alone makes it a valuable tool. The key is establishing a way in which the guidelines nurture with only a modest amount of frustration.

- It is going to take a lot of thinking to figure out how to develop the Wikipedia as the most credible source of public encyclopedic information, but I think the fundementals are here.

- Reward significant credibile contributors. The rewards I'm thinking of are not financial and I see there are some designations that look interesting from a peer group. I wonder if there are other incentives that may be created for those who materially improve the document.

- Provide a place for significant points of view about material subjects. This may be a related wiki, but wouldn't it be absoulutely amazing to get Collin Powell and Saddam Hussein to write THEIR description of what happened leading up to the Iraq war? I would want their points of view virtually untouched, but litsted clearly as a points of view. Seems a stretch now, but as Wiki becomes more popular, there may be many significant historical items where Wikipedia may be THE nuetral source to document history.

I think I'm going to need to learn more about the Wikimedia project and how I can help with that. If you have any thoughts please let me know. By the way, I need to figure out how to make one of those "leave a message" blocks on my page...I like it. --Ronreed 13:46, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I love to help and thanks for those notes there. You seem to be on your way to becoming a valuable contributer. I'll do the message table for you. Redwolf24 02:21, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Late I know but...
Congratulations on becoming an admin! I know you'll make a great one. I've been away for the weekend, without access to a PC so I couldn't congratulate you earlier (and have also been suffering from wiki-drawal symptoms!). BTW, I left some suggestions on your bands talk page. the wub  "?/!"  21:48, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Shweet, I love band comments. And thanks for the congrats! Redwolf24 02:30, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

And finally
Now I get to say it: CONGRATULATIONS!

I'm so very excited for you! Sorry I haven't been around; I got pulled away Friday night and have been quite busy over the weekend. But, I'm here now, and as I said, CONGRATULATIONS!

Oh, and two things: I blocked your Apple character indef. for the virus threat; that's def. one case where and indef. block is the right way. And, I see you found my status indicator; I like it! -- Essjay ·  Talk 23:49, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

 * Poor apple, all he wants to do is make fun of girls for being female >xD Redwolf24 02:30, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

US Wikipedia Conference / Chapter
Redwolf,

What do you think about getting together a US Wikipedia meeting / chapter. Is there one? If not, I would enjoy pulling someting together in Ann Arbor, MI. If there is interest, I can reach out to the University of Michigan School of Information or Internet II for places to host a meeting and to help provide some keynote speakers/panels etc. --Ronreed 23:57, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Ron we don't really do U.S. cross country meetings. Plus if we ever did it'd probably be in... Chicago or New York. Nah, since our country is so big we just do local meetings once in a while, like you could go to a Detroit one. Redwolf24 02:30, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thank you for your welcome, and for the handy links! Best regards, CLW 00:28, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

 * No problem, I love being a member of WP:WC. Redwolf24 02:30, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome
Thanks, and please don't hesitate to leave a comment on my talk page if you have a comment on one of my edits --RN 03:52, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I'll watch over you :) Redwolf24 03:54, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

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Jenna Fischer

Regina Marie Kirk ( Fischer; born March 7, 1974), known professionally as Jenna Fischer, is an American actress. She is best known for her role as Pam Beesly on the NBC sitcom The Office (2005–2013), for which she was nominated for the Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Comedy Series in 2007; she was also a producer for the show's ninth and final season.

Fischer has appeared in such films as Blades of Glory (2007), Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story (2007), The Promotion (2008), Hall Pass (2011), and The Giant Mechanical Man (2012), a film directed by her husband, Lee Kirk. She also appeared as Rhonda McNeil in the NBC comedy drama series You, Me and the Apocalypse (2015). Fischer also starred in the ABC sitcom Splitting Up Together (2018–2019). She is currently the co-host of the podcast Office Ladies.

Fischer's first book, The Actor's Life: A Survival Guide, was published in November 2017.

Early life
Fischer was born in Fort Wayne, Indiana, and raised in St. Louis, Missouri. Her mother, Anne (née Miller), is a history teacher; her father, James E. Fischer, is an engineer. She has one younger sister, Emily, a third grade teacher. She first performed at the age of six, when she participated in an acting workshop taught by her mother at Henry School in St. Louis, a workshop also attended by actor Sean Gunn, with whom she grew up.

She later attended Pierremont Elementary School in Manchester, Missouri, and Nerinx Hall High School, a private all-girls Catholic school in Webster Groves, Missouri. She holds a Bachelor of Arts in theater, as well as a minor in journalism, from Truman State University, where she originally enrolled as a pre-law history major.

Early work and LolliLove
While attending college at Truman State University, Fischer performed with a touring Murder Mystery Dinner Theatre group. Upon her move to Los Angeles in 1998, she began performing Commedia dell'arte with the Zoo District Theatre Company, and was noticed by a talent agent during her appearance in their musical adaptation of the 1922 film Nosferatu. This led to her signing a contract with the agent.

Fischer struggled to break into film and television. Her first paying film role was in a sex education video for psychiatric patients upon their release from Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center. Three years elapsed from the time she arrived in California until she landed her first televised speaking role, playing a waitress on the TV sitcom Spin City in 2001. She subsequently had bit parts in small independent films, including Employee of the Month, Lucky 13 and The Specials, then progressed to guest roles on television shows including Cold Case, Miss Match, Off Centre, Six Feet Under, Strong Medicine, That '70s Show, Undeclared, and What I Like About You.

Unsatisfied with her career's progress, Fischer took matters into her own hands, writing, directing and starring in her own mockumentary, LolliLove (her only directing credit), co-starring her then-husband James Gunn, and friends Linda Cardellini, Judy Greer, Lloyd Kaufman and Jason Segel. She began participating in The Artist's Way, a self-led creativity seminar in book form. "From doing that book I got this idea ... When we started it, it wasn't even supposed to be a real movie. It was just going to be an improv project for James and I to amuse ourselves with." Using a camera she'd given Gunn as a wedding present, she filmed preliminary improvisational interviews with her friends in the faux documentary format that would later bring her fame on The Office. "I really feel it was divine intervention that I chose to work in this medium for a year," she said in an interview. "It was the super best practice I could have ever gotten for the possibility of being on the show."

LolliLove premiered in November 2004 at the St. Louis International Film Festival (Fischer's and Gunn's hometown), and was also shown at the TromaDance Film Festival. For her role, Fischer received the Screen Actors Guild Emerging Actor Award. Despite the film's contribution to her career, she admitted to a St. Louis arts and entertainment magazine that the experience dissuaded her from future directing: "The directing was exhausting and the writing was painful. It was very difficult to direct and star in a movie. We also had a very small crew so I did a lot of things a normal director doesn't have to do, like make the props and serve lunch. I was simultaneously getting into character, going over my lines, set dressing the next shot, coaching an actor, and brainstorming with my D.P. I'm good at multitasking, but that was too much for me. I couldn't enjoy any one part the way I would have liked. I think I'll stick to acting. That part was fantastic."

The Office and career expansion

In 2005, after a succession of mostly improvised auditions similar to her LolliLove experience, Fischer landed the role of Pam Beesly on what became the NBC hit The Office, based on the original BBC series. Before her first audition, casting director Allison Jones told her: "Dare to bore me." While looking for acting work, Fischer herself spent several years as a receptionist and administrative assistant in Los Angeles offices, much like her television counterpart, and thus felt she was well suited to the role. "I'm so attached to Pam's journey," she told NPR in 2009. "I just love playing this character so, so much." Soon after The Office premiered, Fischer was focused on the show's success. In an April 2005 interview with her alma mater's student newspaper, she said: "Honestly, it would be great to get to play Pam for a long, long time ... I don't have real big aspirations to be a movie star. I would love to be on a long-running hit TV show. You end up playing a defining role." For the third season of The Office, Fischer was nominated for Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Comedy Series at the 59th Primetime Emmy Awards in 2007.

In January 2008, the cast of The Office won Outstanding Performance by an Ensemble in a Comedy Series at the 14th Screen Actors Guild Awards. Fischer, who was voted to deliver the acceptance speech on their behalf, said: "We really love working together. We love each other, we love working together, and being together. And as an ensemble, a lot of people in this group struggled for a long time as non-working actors—like 8, 12, 15, 20 years. So, we're always grateful, we don't take it for granted. Thank you so much."

Fischer appeared on Bravo's Celebrity Poker Showdown in 2006, participating in the show's eighth tournament, shot in New Orleans, Louisiana, and playing for Catholic Charities USA's Tsunami Relief. In 2007, she starred in the music video for Willie Wisely's single "Through Any Window", directed by longtime friend John Cabrera; she knew Wisely from work he had done on soundtracks for LolliLove and Tromeo and Juliet, one of her husband's films. In December of that year, during the Writers Guild of America strike, Fischer appeared at Sacred Fools Theater Company in episode 25 of Darque Magick, a serialized play written and directed by Jenelle Riley. Also in 2006, she co-starred in Gunn's film Slither; Fischer said that Gunn gave her the role of Shelby as a "birthday present". The following year, she filmed supporting roles in three feature films: The Brothers Solomon, with Will Arnett and Will Forte; Blades of Glory, with Arnett, Will Ferrell, Jon Heder and Amy Poehler; and Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story, with John C. Reilly, with whom she co-starred again in 2008's The Promotion, also starring Seann William Scott.

In 2009, Fischer completed shooting on the films Solitary Man and A Little Help; the latter opened in the summer of 2010 at the Seattle International Film Festival. Also that summer, she filmed on the Farrelly brothers comedy Hall Pass, which was released in February 2011. She was named a producer of the mid-August through October 2010 run of the critically acclaimed play Sad Happy Sucker, written by her husband Lee Kirk and directed by friend Sean Gunn; it previously ran as a theatre workshop in February and March 2007. In July 2009, Fischer played left field for the National League team in the Taco Bell All-Star Legends and Celebrity Softball Game as part of the MLB All-Star Week festivities at Busch Stadium in St. Louis, Missouri, where she grew up. She was named an official spokeswoman for Proactiv Skincare Solutions that year and was announced as the voice behind the Wisconsin Milk Marketing Board Grilled Cheese Academy website in 2010. In March 2010, she returned to co-chair an annual fundraiser auction for her alma mater Nerinx Hall High School, where she auctioned off a set visit to The Office and multiple autographed props from the show.

After finishing The Office, Fischer starred in the off-Broadway play Reasons to Be Happy, written and directed by Neil LaBute, which ran from May to June 2013. She starred in the world premiere of Steve Martin's comedy Meteor Shower at the Old Globe Theatre in San Diego, California, from July 30 to September 18, 2016. She also worked with actors Greg Germann, Alexandra Henrikson, and Josh Stamberg.

In 2018, Fischer was interviewed on Jimmy Kimmel Live! wearing only a towel and jeans when the zipper on her dress broke shortly before she went on. She boldly came out on stage carrying the dress she'd intended to wear and commented to the audience: "I'm mentally freaking out [because] I'm on a talk show in a towel, but I'm physically very comfortable."

On September 11, 2019, Fischer announced that she and Angela Kinsey would co-host a weekly The Office rewatch podcast called Office Ladies, which premiered on October 16. Its first episode was released October 16, 2019. Their guests have included actors John Krasinski, Oscar Nunez and Rainn Wilson, and producers/directors Greg Daniels, Paul Feig and Ken Kwapis. Fischer and Kinsey continued to produce the podcast during the COVID-19 pandemic by recording it in closet studios in their homes. On January 21, 2021, Office Ladies won the 2021 iHeartRadio Podcast of the Year Award.

In February 2021, Fischer and Kinsey announced that they were writing a new book, The Office BFFs, a collection of stories and photos about their friendship and time on the show. It was published on May 17, 2022 by HarperCollins Publishers LL as a hardcover, e-book and audiobook.

On February 28, 2023, Fischer was announced to play Mrs. Heron in the film adaptation of the Broadway musical Mean Girls, based on the 2004 film of the same name.

Personal life

After Fischer moved to Los Angeles, her childhood friend Sean Gunn helped her get a part in a showcase and then introduced her to his brother, filmmaker James Gunn. That small part in a showcase led to Fischer getting her first manager. She and James Gunn married on October 7, 2000. They announced their separation in September 2007 and divorced in 2008. In 2010, Fischer helped Gunn cast Rainn Wilson, her The Office co-star, in Gunn's film Super.

In June 2009, Fischer's engagement to filmmaker Lee Kirk was announced. The two met and fell in love on the set of The Giant Mechanical Man, a film written and directed by Kirk, which premiered at the Tribeca Film Festival in April 2012; Fischer told Vulture: "I attached myself as producer and actor to the movie. Then, for the next six or eight months or so, Lee was writing the movie, and he would turn in different drafts, and I would give him my thoughts. Very slowly, over those months, our meetings started turning into dates. I was hesitant to tell him that I was developing feelings for him because this is my first producing job. I wanted to be professional! And here I am, falling in love with the writer". They married on July 3, 2010; the wedding ceremony was officiated by their friend Jeff Probst, whom they met at a Primetime Emmy Awards party. Fischer and Kirk announced her pregnancy with their first child in May 2011; the pregnancy coincided with her character's second pregnancy on The Office's eighth season. In September 2011, Fischer gave birth to their son. In May 2014, she gave birth to their second child, a daughter. Furthermore, during the engagement, Kirk made a cameo on The Office in the season six episode "The Delivery" as Clark, the male lactation consultant who examines Fischer's character, in March 2010.

Fischer is passionate about animal welfare, and is involved with the Los Angeles organizations Kitten Rescue and Rescue Rover. Before The Office, she did three years of hands-on rescue work for the two groups. She also regularly fosters cats and hosted Kitten Rescue's annual Fur Ball Gala in 2008, 2009, and 2010.

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Talk:MOO

Other forms of Moo(ing)
Remember that cows go moo. This might indeed be an important note for purposes of text disambiguation, especially if in some very humane and technologically advanced epoch (even one possibly occuring very soon) cows can access the internet and might go searching for the origin of the word "moo" in relation to their species and original quadroped form.
 * "If you are looking for the game "Master of Orion", abbreviated "Moo" or "MOO", see Master of Orion. For other uses, see Moo." - Available at article Moo and via the link at the top of the page (quoted).

Merge
As proposed recently by Kipper2258 and RoySmith merge links have been posted. This is designed to make one comprehensive page, rather than many scattered ones.

I quote from Votes_for_deletion/Phantasy_World: ''Comment: It might be worth looking at the whole "List of popular MOOs" section at MOO. While I think the general concept of MUDs and MOOs is encyclopedic, individual ones probably aren't. There is some interesting historical material in LambdaMOO, and (to a lesser extent) LinguaMOO and MediaMOO, but overall I'm thinking it would make sense to merge the significant parts from those individual articles into MOO and have one good article instead of a smattering of trivial ones. I'm not sure, however, if that discussion is in-scope for this particular VfD. --RoySmith 13:25, 6 August 2005 (UTC)''
 * I am not a party to this proposal, and object to the implication that I am. I believe I mentioned the idea in passing at one time in association with one of the various deletion votes for PythonMOO, but I am certainly not in support of the current propsal.  --RoySmith 15:14, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Sorry, and yes, it was mentioned during one of the many MOO article deletions (PythonMOO, PhantsyWorld), but sorry if you feel that this is misplaced. I recall you mentioning merging all articles (apart from maybe LambdaMOO), but nonetheless okay. Out of interest who decides whether it should all be merged? The merge article implies that it can be done by anyone with support from talk.
 * I would recommend that you just be bold and perform the merge. None of the articles involved in the proposed merge are actively being editted, and most are just stubs, so acting independently would hardly be considered a reckless act.  --Allen3 talk 17:42, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks, I will.
 * Oops, will rvv my own on LambdaMOO, see that all the content is here. ∴ here…♠ 19:48, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Okay, all complete, and forwards have been set-up (including recreation of previously deleted articles for redirection by admin). I have marked it for cleanup, since I probably won't be able to do a good job myself, and it needs doing. Good luck to whoevers task it becomes.

First MOO server?
I thought LambdaMOO was first in fact, perhaps only in significance. What was? ∴ here…♠ 19:56, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I have had the same thought myself, and as a MOO owner I set to find out, it seems the first (I cant confirm this) was a test MOO, which itself was rather popular, which was pulled down. I only have managed to retrieve broken bits of info, but I will make it a task to find out.

It seems it is the first 'public' MOO, however a MOO which seems to go by the name of AlphaMOO, was in existace before it. However, even if that isn't the right name - it seems the first was a test MOO for the server, and was shutdown a while ago. Ian 13 17:46, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Did you find a source for this, that we might include and reference in the main article? Introducing Lambda as the second, without mention of the first, frustrates me to no end ;). ∴ here…♠ 23:09, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
 * The hunt will continue. I am seeking documents from old moo'ers that seem unavailable online. Ian 13 21:44, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

What does this mean ?
LambdaMOO was created on the famous Xerox PARC (Palo Alto Research Center) by Pavel Curtis

Xerox PARC is a building, a center, not a machine something runs on.

 * Ture, maybe "within" would be more suited, updating... Ian 13 17:44, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Maybe "LambdaMOO was created at the famous Xerox PARC (Palo Alto Research Center) by Pavel Curtis"

I deleted PythonMOO
To whom it may concern: As a user, I must insist that PythonMOO is not notable in the grand scheme of MOOs. There are maybe a dozen regular users, including myself. If you want to list notable MOOs, go for stuff like BayMOO (high-population), Rupert (SunNET hub), YibMOO (notable founder), or something... but Wikipedia is not a MOO directory. -Fennec (はさばくのきつね)
 * I notice how you target PythonMOO since you are a user, yet you choose not to investigate other listed MOOs and check their notability, also it looks a little like a directory already - so why do you not choose to clean it up and improve it? Ian 13 21:59, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Cleaning up and improving it is a long-term project, which I will surely work periodically, but I know that the PythonMOO entry is nonnotable now. As such, its immediate deletion can be considered the start of some cleanup and improvement work. Furthermore, it is not Wikipedia policy to fail to clean up a certain portion of an article or set of articles merely because other sections or other articles exist which are equally bad or worse. In other words, you can't say: "You can't clean this mess up because there are other messes too!" This'd paralyze the site into inaction. -Fennec (はさばくのきつね) 22:12, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the edit and recommendations Fennec, hopefully someone will consider the recommended BayMOO (high-population), Rupert (SunNET hub), YibMOO (notable founder) soon. ∴ here…♠ 02:37, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay, it seems I have misjudged the situation, I just feel if things are not proposed and voted on like in AfD, what people feel is notable can change articles. Ian 13 18:38, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

LambdaMOO (the MOO)
Can I comment that some of the information within that article seems trivial, for example the proportion of genders, since this could be done for any or all of the MOOs, it hardly seems notable or worthwhile, and just a section of reams of data, but this is my view. Ian 13 18:38, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I think it should stay. I was on-the-fence about merging all these MOO articles into one in the first place see here, and I would hate to see nothing but a long series of reductions in content as a result.  The data is similar to that included in other communities (towns and cities) and is of genuine encyclopedic value.  Why delete it?  The lambdaMOO section should live on containing all that might have been included in a full article, and re-split to it's own article if warrented (further discussion on Talk:LambdaMOO).  ∴ here…♠ 19:12, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Cleanup and merge decision
I think that the current article is all over the place, and that a big part of the reason why it is all over the place is because 3/4 of the article is used to describe individual MOOs. In my opinion this is not the way to do things. The article should have perhaps 1/3 of the article maximum to describe notable examples of it, and overall should be providing generic examples of what MOOs are. I for one have no idea of what a MOO is, and, after reading the article, still have no idea. My understanding is that a MOO is a derivation of a MUD, as some form of talker, like how MUSHes and MUCKs are (note: why is MUCK a redirect to MUSH? They are different things!)

I have heard of LambdaMOO and think without question it warrants its own article. How many others do is debatable. I had even been advised that it was practically the only MOO of any consequence. If so, it would be reasonable, in my opinion, to make a separate article for LambdaMOO and link to it from here. This would help to clean up the article enormously.

In comparison, the MUSH article looks nice. On reading that article, I know what a MUSH is. It also has a handful of separate articles for MUSHes of historical significance, one being Star Wars MUSH.

I think that one big problem with these kinds of decisions is that there is no confirmed Articles for deletion/precendet set as to what to do with internet that is not related to WP:WEB. WP:WEB is naturally irrelevant for cases such as this.

So, in my opinion, LambdaMOO should without question be unmerged. And the article should include one heck of a lot more about what a MOO is. Zordrac 20:20, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
 * LambdaMOO was just merged into this article. See discussion above and at Talk:LambdaMOO.  I would recommend working on filling out the MOO article itself before reversing the recent merge activity.  Nothing will be lost if LamdaMOO lives on right here for a bit longer.  ∴ here…♠ 21:02, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Okay, well, I think we should leave LambdaMOO here for now, and consier moving back. Looking at other MUD articles, this one does seem rather odd. I tihnk LambdaMOO back to its on article, and disgard seperate sections/articles for other MOOs altogether, mainly because they are not all that important on the small subject of MOO. Consider listing major MOO developemtments (like sunnet and features of interesting moos). But a key thing would be to build on what a MOOs is, any suggestions on my proposals? Or I may just be WP:BOLD Ian 13 17:56, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Go ahead. However, I do think that a famous / historical MOOs section will be hard to avoid, but:
 * LambdaMOO should be mentioned and linked
 * keep the info on MediaMOO
 * remove FracturedMOO (what claim to fame has this?)
 * dunno on Lingua. No news since Jan04, were they huge in the past?
 * Regardless, go ahead and move LambdaMOO back out to it's own. ∴ here…♠ 19:41, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks. Its just because this seems to lack so much general information, and as Zordrac said, its just about moos, it just reads very badly.
 * Right, I've put the bit about LambdaMOO (the MOO) into the LambdaMOO article. I have also reformed the article, hopefully making it an article, that someone who knows little about MOOs can make use of. All are welcome to revise and correct, however as far as I know all is accutate, and verified by the MOO I wizard. The well-known moos needs expansion. I will try and add to this, but if anyone else can assist, that would be good. Ian 13 19:08, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

The article looks much better now. I don't know if other MOOs warrant their own articles or not. But I think that the way you've got it displayed now is great. Then you can decide on an individual basis whether other MOOs warrant their own pages.

By the way, I think that there's about 50 MUDs which have their own pages on wikipedia. And yet they are still missing Aardwolf MUD, the most popular MUD in the world, as it has been for the past 10 years straight! Go figure! Anyone want to write that article? Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy  Darwikinian Eventualist 06:46, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

PS. Category:MU* games. 46 MUDs, to be precise. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy  Darwikinian Eventualist 06:47, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for all the work Ian. I never used anything but LambdaMOO -- other than a personal, now deleted, MOO I setup using the same core.  I think the well-known moos section will take care of itself ;).  I'm honestly glad that LambdaMOO again has it's own space to fill, well deserved. ∴ here…♠ 07:24, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
 * No problem, glad its apprechiated, took long enough :P Ian 13 21:30, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Another suggestion
The page is looking really good, but one problem is the opening paragraph, which IMO is far too long. It'd be good if it was split up a bit. Have a look at MUD and MUSH for what I mean there. I extracted bits from these 3 in talker and had difficulty with the MOO part. It'd be good if the opening was a bit clearer. Also, should the part about LambdaMOO's server be in the LambdaMOO article? I'm not sure if it should be or not. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy  Darwikinian Eventualist 03:57, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look. Also, I would say no, since LambdaMOO (the server) is the only moo server, so splitting it (like it used to be I think), in my opinion, would make it confusing like it was before. However if someone thinks this could be done well, go ahead, but I would personally not aggree. Ian 13 09:58, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
 * If its the only server, it should stay in the main article. Wow, I thought that there would be more MOOs in the world than just 1 server full. Zordrac  (talk) Wishy Washy  Darwikinian Eventualist 06:21, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, all MOO servers are either ports of lambdamoo or patches on it. I will look over the first para soon too. Ian 13 12:23, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Moo Cores
Does anyone think/agree we need a section on moo cores? We've got stuff like Jays House Core in the external links but people won't have a friggin clue what it is. Andrew Northall 06:26, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I sure don't. Yes!  Please add ;). We can always split to another article, if warrented in the future.  ∴ here…♠ 07:12, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Go got it. Probably best to put it below the well-know moos if you ask me (called well-known cores?). Ian13ID:540053 16:43, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Removal of cleanup tag?
Would there be any support for th removal of the tag. The recent cleanup I preformed seems to have remained with only minor alterations, so would anyone support the removal of the tag? Ian13ID:540053 12:26, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup, January 2006
I hope nobody finds my changes controversial, but being an extant MOO community member since 1991/1992, I found much of what was here to be debatable.

 * I fixed spelling of object-oriented; it was repeatedly used as object-orientated, which is not correct usage.
 * I added a history section with dates and names of the original releases. I got this information from the |the mud timeline, from google searches using aliases, and from personal association and recollection of other early MOO members.
 * I made it clear that while Stephen White authored the first version[s] of MOO, it was Pavel Curtis who really made it significant.
 * I moved the (fairly esoteric) discussion of object numbers & names past the general description of the capabilities of MOO itself.
 * I cleaned up some language.
 * I tried to clarify what one would use the MOO programming language for.
 * MOO is still maintained, I made that clear, where the original article claimed otherwise.

I think this article needs continued cleanup, so I have updated the date on the cleanup tag. There is a lot more to be said about what a MOO is, what its social impact was on the early history of the Internet (I do believe it had some!), what MOOs have been used for, etc. I don't trust that my changes on their own have cleaned up all the language and grammar issues here.

Further there is a lot more history to be put in here that is relevant. For example, the version of MOO that was hosted in the DGD driver ("LP MOO"), a list of new features that were added over time (exceptions, for example).

On the subject of MOOs other than LambdaMOO itself you can't really match the really important influence of three MOOs: MediaMOO, and also Jays House MOO and (later) Waterpoint, where much of the original community of early adopters of MOO later hung out. The continued maintenance of MOO by Jay Carlson, etc. is an outgrowth of that community.

MOO (and MUDs in general) is/was an important chapter in Internet history. I think this article should reflect that.Ryandaum

 * I have changed date tag bac to october, since thats when all the work first started (I hope you don't mind, but it's standard convention). Ian13ID:540053 21:49, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, can I quickly highlight NPOV, with consern to your last comment (the work so far has been very good!). Ian13ID:540053 22:01, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Why someone changed "the first/the oldest" to "one of the first/one of the oldest" to De digitale metro and MOOsaico ? If they were the first, why can't it be stated ? - paf 18:40, 31 May 2006 (WET)

 * Do you have any sources to say they were the first? I would personally doubt that they were the first, another MOO may have come and gone before them. Ian13/ talk 15:24, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Ian, it's simple. You *wont* find any ref regarding any moo prior to MOOsaico in Portugal or Brasil. You can check in http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moo about the first MOO in Brazil - [...] "Em maio de 1995 o primeiro MOO do brasil foi instalado" [...] (In May 1995, the first brasilian MOO was installed). During that era, Internet access was almost restricted to universities and a couple of providers. There were *a* MOO and maybe 10/15 Talker servers :) Maybe the popularity of MOOsaico over those times was its "uniqueness". You wont find any other moo (in portuguese) on all the MOO listings from that time (you will get AtlantisMOO after some time. Also, I've never received any email/complain about stating it on the web front http://moosaico.com/ for so many years. Regards - paf, 15:37, 01 July 2006 (WET)

Foo MOO Server
It says a couple times in the article that LambdaMOO is the only server distribution, but the Foo server is widely distributed and includes a significant (though not massive) addition of features. Generally, it's more widely used than Lambda among MOOs that are game-oriented, as opposed to community-oriented. Regardless of its usage, though, it IS another distribution. 67.187.113.46 21:30, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh.... do you have any sources or websites? I will have a little hunt too. Ian13/ talk 21:49, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

HellMOO
Hi sorry if I'm doing this wrong, never posted on a wikipedia talk page before. I am the founder of HellMOO. We've been around 4 years, have the most complex RPG yet implemented on a MOO, have over 4000 players, and peak at 80 active players simultaneous. Surely this qualifies us to be a 'notable MOO'. We've done some things in MOOcode that have never been done before. Our system creates and destroys almost 1,000 objects per hour. We have a complex weather simulation, an AI economy with autonomous agents, a queueing action system, and much more that is 'of note', I should think.

Yet when we try to add HellMOO to the 'list of notable MOOs' on this page, it gets reverted. Why is that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.63.191 (talk) 02:31, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Because your information is outdated, the game split into two different versions, and you no longer have 4000 players nor have 80 players on at one time. And everything has been done in reallifeMOOcode, so swagger please, move on, also didn't you shut down the game, split the community into two? Making HateMOO and then HellMOO. Also you have missed out a number of other things, this game is in general view a cybering erotic roleplaying game for about 70% of the community which frequents the now known "Hellmoo", which is known to be ran by Gilmore, aka "the creator".

Object Oriented
I revered the spelling "correction" that changed object oriented to object orientated. Object Oriented Programming is a very common programming paradigm and is spelled correctly. Oriented and orientated are completely different words. --Mpdelbuono (talk) 19:20, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Definition of MOO or Origin of Name
I just came across MOO while looking through pages and I have no clue why it is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Monfisher (talk • contribs) 21:06, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

ATHEMOO
In your list of Notable MOO's I find it odd that there is no mention of ATHEMOO, which was an important MOO for online performance. It was started in 1995 at the University of Hawaii. Link to that information is here. There is also a section of captured performance taken from ATHEMOO here. There is also information on ATHEMOO in the book, "Cyberspace Issues of Teaching, Acting and Directing", Chapter on Athemoo starts on page 109.

--Joe Berwick (talk) 11:12, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

What is the defining characteristic: programmable or object oriented?
The fourth paragraph begins, "One of the most distinguishing features of a MOO is that its users can perform object-oriented programming within the server, ultimately expanding and changing how the server behaves to everyone.[4]" I question whether the word 'object-oriented' is limiting or descriptive in this context. Is the distinguishing feature user-programability (regardless of programming language)? Is the term MOO meant to distinguish from earlier, user-programmable MUD-like systems?

Thanks, 67.247.21.108 (talk)` — Preceding undated comment added 02:26, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Is this article ever going to get around to explaining what a MOO is?
I read the first section and some others that seemed to have some hope of explaining in plain English what a defines a MOO and I came away not quite sure why another word for MUD exists.24.6.110.3 (talk) 21:42, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
 * The difference is only in culture and programming. Obviously, a "multi-user dungeon" has a focus on [fantasy] gaming, whereas a MOO can be for any purpose, but has seen mostly social, collaborative-creative, and academic/educational uses.
 * And the 'object-oriented' part refers to the programming paradigm employed, which makes it easy for "each community member to be a programmer" (if only to a small extent like customising the user object). Arlo James Barnes 22:24, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

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Etymology
Why is it called MOO? Is it an acronym? I don't see this in the article. Shouldn't it be in the lede? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A601:A605:4C00:3D0B:9C7D:862E:6B51 (talk) 02:45, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Nevermind. I'm dumb. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A601:A605:4C00:3D0B:9C7D:862E:6B51 (talk) 02:48, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Wizard's can assign global names to any object
In MOO-code  expands to   and is used extensively to reference important objects such as generics and utility libraries. This is explained in the LambdaMOO Programmer's Manual subsection Getting and Setting the Values of Properties. By adding an object as a property of #0 (the system object) a Wizard has effectively "assigned it a global name" which can be accessed from any verb. See also the verbs  and.

I am reverting your edit. 14.203.187.123 (talk) 06:00, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * So what? Why is this important enough to mention without any secondary sources? * Pppery * it has begun... 06:01, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It's a fundamental ability of Wizards and essential for other users to build and program the MOO? Why is it unimportant enough to delete just because you don't know what it is?  Might as well go and delete half of the unsourced statements in the article at random. 14.203.187.123 (talk) 06:14, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I added a quick note to the article. Every source that talks about building or programming the MOO e.g. duck tutorial talks about the global names and their use in generic objects for copying. 14.203.187.123 (talk) 06:35, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

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Nahanni Range Road

The Nahanni Range Road was completed in the early 1960s from Watson Lake, Yukon along the present alignment of the Robert Campbell Highway to Miner Junction (aka Cantung Junction), thence along the Highway 10 route, across the border into the Northwest Territories to the privately owned mining town, Tungsten (for the tungsten mined there), and the Cantung Mine (for Canada Tungsten Mining Corporation). The portion between Cantung Junction and Watson Lake has, since 1971, been part of the Robert Campbell Highway (Yukon Highway 4).

The Nahanni Range Road proper is entirely gravel, and is not recommended for general public use. Originally, two-thirds of the route was maintained by the Yukon government, and had campgrounds for public use. The remaining third was maintained by the mining company, open to public traffic, but with no public facilities at the town. When the mine shut in 1986, the road fell into disuse and maintenance became increasingly difficult. Since the mine resumed intermittent production in 2003, the road has been restored for the use of the mining company, but general public travel is still not advised.

In January 2020, the Yukon Government and the Liard River First Nation announced an agreement for a first phase of repairs. $17 million of federal and territorial tax funds will pay for the replacement of two bridges along Nahanni Range Road.

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Peter Cipollone

Peter Cipollone (born February 5, 1971) is an American rowing coxswain of the 2004 Olympic gold medal-winning U.S. men's eight rowing team. He is a native of Ardmore, Pennsylvania, and attended Saint Joseph's Preparatory School in Philadelphia and the University of California, Berkeley. Cipollone won World Championships. in the heavyweight men's eight in 1997, 1998, and 1999.

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Traoré

Traoré or Traore is a surname of Manding origin (Taara-oray), as written in French orthography, which is common in Mali, Senegal, Burkina Faso, Ivory Coast and Guinea. In anglophone West Africa the name is often spelled Trawally.

A

 * Abd Traore, Guinean entrepreneur
 * Abdou Traoré (disambiguation), multiple people
 * Abdoulaye Traoré (disambiguation), multiple people
 * Abdoullaye Traoré (born 2000), Ivorian-Italian footballer
 * Abibatou Traoré (born 1973), Senegalese writer
 * Abou Traoré, Guinean politician
 * Aboubacar Traoré (born 1992), Burkinabé footballer
 * Adama Traoré (disambiguation), multiple people
 * Aissata Traoré (born 1997), Malian footballer
 * Alain Traoré (born 1988), Burkinabé footballer
 * Ali Traoré (born 1985), French basketball player
 * Aliou Traoré (born 2001), French footballer
 * Alou Traoré (born 1974), Malian footballer
 * Alyssa Traoré (born 1998), Dutch fashion model
 * Amadou Traoré (born 2002), French footballer
 * Amara Traoré (born 1965), Senegalese footballer
 * Aminata Traoré (disambiguation), multiple people
 * Apolline Traoré (born 1976), Burkinabé filmmaker
 * Arissou Traore (born 1984), Togolese footballer
 * Armand Traoré (born 1989), French footballer
 * Assa Traoré (born 1985), French activist
 * Astou Traoré (born 1981), Senegalese basketball player
 * Awa Traoré (disambiguation), multiple people
 * Aya Traoré (born 1983), Senegalese basketball player
 * Ayouba Traoré (born 1982), Malian judoka

B

 * Baba Traoré (born 1992), French footballer
 * Babemba Traoré (1855–1898), Malian royal
 * Baboye Traoré (born 1990), French footballer
 * Badara Traore (born 1997), American football player
 * Bakaye Traoré (born 1985), Malian footballer
 * Bano Traoré (born 1985), Malian-French athlete
 * Ben Traoré (born 1986), Malian footballer
 * Bénie Traoré (born 2002), Ivorian footballer
 * Bertrand Traoré (born 1995), Burkinabé footballer
 * Bio Aï Traoré (born 1985), Beninese footballer
 * Boubacar Traoré (disambiguation), multiple people
 * Brahim Traoré (born 2004), French footballer
 * Brahima Traoré (born 1974), Burkinabé footballer
 * Bréhima Traoré (born 1973), Malian footballer

C

 * Chaka Traore (born 2004), Ivorian footballer
 * Charles Traoré (born 1992), Malian footballer
 * Cheibane Traoré (born 1990), Malian footballer
 * Cheick Traoré (born 1995), Malian footballer
 * Cheick Bougadary Traoré, Malian political candidate
 * Cherif Traoré (born 1994), Guinean-Italian footballer
 * Christian Traoré (born 1982), Danish footballer

D

 * Dambou Traoré (born 1977), French footballer
 * Dame Traoré (born 1986), French footballer
 * Demba Traoré (born 1982), Swedish footballer
 * Demba Traoré (politician) (born 1972), Malian lawyer and politician
 * Diarra Traoré (1935–1985), Guinean politician
 * Diedie Traore (born 1999), French footballer
 * Dioncounda Traoré (born 1942), Malian politician
 * Diongolo Traore (1914–1971), Burkinabé politician
 * Djiguible Traoré (born 1960), Malian boxer
 * Djimi Traoré (born 1980), Malian footballer
 * Dramane Traoré (born 1982), Malian footballer
 * Drissa Traoré (born 1992), Ivorian footballer

E

 * Efua Traoré, Nigerian-German writer
 * Elhadj Oumar Traoré, Guinean politician
 * Eric Traoré (born 1996), Burkinabé footballer

F

 * Falaba Issa Traoré (1930–2003), Malian writer
 * Fodie Traore (born 1985), French footballer

G

 * Gaoussou Traoré (born 1999), French footballer

H

 * Hadamou Traoré (born 1993), French footballer
 * Hamari Traoré (born 1992), Malian footballer
 * Hamed Traorè (born 2000), Ivorian footballer
 * Hamidou Traoré (born 1996), Malian footballer
 * Henri Traoré (born 1983), Burkinabé footballer
 * Honoré Traoré (born 1957), Burkinabé soldier

I

 * Ibrahim Traoré (born 1988), Burkinabé military officer
 * Ibrahim Traoré (footballer) (born 1988), Ivorian footballer
 * Ibrahima Traoré (born 1988), Guinean footballer
 * Idrissa Traoré (disambiguation), multiple people
 * Ismaël Traoré (born 1986), French/Ivorian footballer
 * Issa de Brahima Traoré (born 1962), Burkinabé filmmaker
 * Issa Falaba Traoré (1930–2003), Malian filmmaker
 * Issa Traoré (born 1979), Malian footballer
 * Iya Traoré (born 1986), Guinean footballer

J

 * Jean-Victor Traoré (born 1985), Burkinabé basketball player

K

 * Kady Traoré (born 1979), Burkinabé actress
 * Kalifa Traoré (born 1991), Malian footballer
 * Kalilou Traoré (born 1987), Malian footballer
 * Kandia Traoré (born 1980), Ivorian footballer
 * Kassim Traoré (born 1966), Malian boxer
 * Koh Traoré (born 1989), Burkinabé-Ivorian footballer

L

 * Lacina Traoré (born 1990), Ivorian footballer
 * Lamine Traoré (disambiguation), multiple people
 * Lassana Traoré (born 1945), Malian politician and diplomat
 * Lassina Traoré (born 2001), Burkinabé footballer
 * Lobi Traoré (1961–2010), Malian musician

M

 * Madimoussa Traoré (born 1986), French footballer
 * Mahama Johnson Traoré (1942–2010), Senegalese film director
 * Mahamadou Traoré (born 1994), Malian footballer
 * Mahamane Traoré (born 1988), Malian footballer
 * Mai Traore (born 1999), Guinean footballer
 * Maïlys Traoré (born 1995), French rugby union footballer
 * Maimouna Traoré (born 1998), Malian footballer
 * Makan Traore (footballer, born 1992) (born 1992), French footballer
 * Mamadou Traoré (disambiguation), multiple people
 * Mamary Traoré (born 1980), Malian footballer
 * Manssita Traoré (born 2003), French footballer
 * Mariam Traore (born 1980), Ivorian handball player
 * Mathieu Traoré (born 1972), Burkinabé footballer
 * Mélégué Maurice Traoré (born 1951), Burkinabé politician
 * Mody Traoré (born 1980), French footballer
 * Moha Traoré (born 1994), Malian-Spanish footballer
 * Mohamed Traoré (disambiguation), multiple people
 * Mossi Traoré (born 1985), French fashion designer
 * Mouhamadou Traoré (born 1982/1986), Senegalese footballer
 * Mouna Traoré, Canadian actress
 * Moussa Traoré (disambiguation), multiple people
 * Mustapha Traoré (born 1982), French footballer

N

 * Nassira Traoré (born 1988), Malian volleyball player

O

 * Oula Abass Traoré (born 1995), Burkinabé footballer
 * Omar Haktab Traoré (born 1998), German footballer
 * Oumar Traoré (disambiguation), multiple people
 * Oumou Traoré (born 1969), Malian athlete
 * Ousmane Traoré (born 1977), Burkinabé footballer
 * Ousmane Traoré (footballer, born 1985) (born 1985), Senegalese footballer

P

 * Pon-Karidjatou Traoré (born 1986), Burkinabé athlete

R

 * Rokia Traoré (born 1974), Malian singer–songwriter

S

 * Sa Brahima Traore (born 1982), Burkinabé footballer
 * Safradine Traoré (born 1986), Beninese footballer
 * Salif Traoré (born 1972), Malian politician
 * Salimata Traoré (born 1994), Malian politician
 * Saloum Traoré, Nigerien politician
 * Sambou Traoré (born 1979), Malian basketball player
 * Sammy Traoré (born 1976), Malian footballer
 * Saratou Traoré (born 2002), Malian footballer
 * Sékou Traoré born 1962, Burkinabé filmmaker
 * Seydou Traoré (born 1970), Burkinabé footballer
 * Souleymane Traore (1987–2009), Guinean footballer
 * Soumaila Traoré (born 1973), Malian footballer

T

 * Tiécoura Traoré, Malian actor
 * Tieba Traoré (1845–1893), Malian royal
 * Tiramakhan Traore, Malian general
 * Togba Traoré, Guinean politician

Y

 * Yohan Traore (born 2003), French basketball player
 * Youssouf Traoré (born 1991), Ivorian footballer

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Hypersensitivity pneumonitis

Hypersensitivity pneumonitis (HP) or extrinsic allergic alveolitis (EAA) is a syndrome caused by the repetitive inhalation of antigens from the environment in susceptible or sensitized people. Common antigens include molds, bacteria, bird droppings, bird feathers, agricultural dusts, bioaerosols and chemicals from paints or plastics. People affected by this type of lung inflammation (pneumonitis) are commonly exposed to the antigens by their occupations, hobbies, the environment and animals. The inhaled antigens produce a hypersensitivity immune reaction causing inflammation of the airspaces (alveoli) and small airways (bronchioles) within the lung. Hypersensitivity pneumonitis may eventually lead to interstitial lung disease.

Signs and symptoms
Hypersensitivity pneumonitis (HP) can be categorized as acute, subacute, and chronic based on the duration of the illness.

Acute
In the acute form of HP dose of antigen exposure tends to be very high but only for a short duration. Symptoms may develop 4–6 hours following heavy exposure to the provoking antigen. Symptoms include fever, chills, malaise, cough, chest tightness, dyspnea, rash, swelling and headache. Symptoms resolve within 12 hours to several days upon cessation of exposure.

Subacute
Patients with subacute HP gradually develop a productive cough, dyspnea, fatigue, anorexia, weight loss, and pleurisy. Symptoms are similar to the acute form of the disease, but are less severe and last longer. Findings may be present in patients who have experienced repeated acute attacks.

Chronic
In chronic HP, dose of the antigen tends to be low volume but for a longer duration. Patients often lack a history of acute episodes. They have an insidious onset of cough, progressive dyspnea, fatigue, and weight loss. This is associated with partial to complete but gradual reversibility. Avoiding any further exposure is recommended. Clubbing is observed in 50% of patients. Tachypnea, respiratory distress, and inspiratory crackles over lower lung fields often are present. In fact, hypersensitivity pneumonitis can often resemble IPF in terms of pulmonary fibrosis in that many patients experience hypoxemia.

Epidemiology
Although the prevalence of hypersensitivity pneumonitis is not established it is thought to be low. Data collection limitations are a result of difficulty in diagnosis, sub-clinical presentations that go undetected and variability in climate, region and proximity to local industries. The most common types are bird fancier's and farmer's lung. Interestingly, cigarette smoking appears to be protective against the disease.

Pathophysiology
Hypersensitivity pneumonitis is caused by an exaggerated immune response (hypersensitivity). Type III hypersensitivity and type IV hypersensitivity can both occur depending on the cause. In general, acute HP is suspected to be attributed to a type III hypersensitivity while the subacute and chronic types are suspected to be caused by T cell infiltration and granuloma formation. Because different people react variably to antigen exposure, the exact mechanism is unclear but genetic and host factors are likely at play. The two hit hypothesis is often toted in the literature to explain why some people have a normal reaction to an antigenic exposure without clinical findings while others experience an exaggerated immune response. The "first hit" in the hypothesis is proposed to be genetic susceptibility and surrounding environmental factors and the "second hit" would be the introduction of the antigen into the respiratory system which causes the exaggerated immune response.

Diagnosis
The diagnosis is made through clinical judgement using a combination of findings because there does not exist a single, universal diagnostic criteria for the disease. The diagnosis is most commonly ascertained first with a detailed exposure history followed by a battery of clinical tests including: imaging, histopathology, pulmonary function testing, serology, bronchoscopy, and more. In 2020, official guidelines were published by American Thoracic Society, Japanese Respiratory Society, and Asociación Latinoamericana del Tórax which provides a systematic approach to the diagnosis of HP that relies on high-resolution computed tomography.

Exposure History
A detailed occupational, home and environmental exposure history is the first step in diagnosis. Unfortunately, only 60% of inciting antigens are identified in exposure assessment. Re-exposure to the antigen can help aid in diagnosis. Standardized questionnaires have been created to help in obtaining an exposure history although no official questionnaire has been purported. It has been recommended that the questionnaire administered should be relevant to the region in which the exposure has potentially occurred.

Detailed exposure assessments are warranted in the cause of damp indoor environments which have the potential to propagate mold throughout the dwelling. The decision to enlist an industrial hygienist should be made based on the answers to evidence based questions during the environmental assessment. The industrial hygienist or environmental scientist will make the decision to conduct additional sampling.

Types
Hypersensitivity pneumonitis may also be called many different names, based on the provoking antigen. These include:

Of these types, Farmer's Lung and Bird-Breeder's Lung are the most common. "Studies document 8-540 cases per 100,000 persons per year for farmers and 6000-21,000 cases per 100,000 persons per year for pigeon breeders. High attack rates are documented in sporadic outbreaks. Prevalence varies by region, climate, and farming practices. HP affects 0.4–7% of the farming population. Reported prevalence among bird fanciers is estimated to be 20-20,000 cases per 100,000 persons at risk."

Imaging
No single imaging finding is singularly definitive of a diagnosis rather clinicians rely on a constellation of findings. Both chest radiographs and high resolution CT scans can be normal.

Chest Radiographs
Acute presentation may reveal poorly defined a micro-nodular interstitial pattern and ground-glass opacities in the lower and mid lung zones. In addition to this, subacute presentations may show reticular nodular opacities in mid-to-lower lung zones. Chronic forms may show fibrotic changes and appear like Idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis.

High-Resolution Computed Tomography
This has become a common diagnostic imaging for the diagnosis and is the modality used in the Official ATS/JRS/ALAT Clinical Practice Guideline. Two forms of hypersensitivity pneumonitis are fibrotic and non-fibrotic findings on chest CT. The two differ in terms of their diagnostic work up and management although there is overall between them. The non-fibrotic form is typically characterized by ground glass opacities, mosaic attenuation, ill-defined centrilobular nodules (<5 mm), and air trapping. The fibrotic form is typically characterized by irregular linear opacities/coarse reticulations, traction bronchiectasis, and honeycombing, patchy ground-glass attenuation, centrilobular nodules, and mosaic attenuation. Three-density pattern (head cheese sign) is radiological sign which shows a region of the lung with three or more different types of attenuation which can be typical for the fibrotic type.

Histopathology
The acute form can be characterized by poorly formed noncaseating interstitial granulomas and mononuclear cell infiltration in a peribronchial distribution with prominent giant cells. The subacute, or intermittent, form produces more well-formed noncaseating granulomas, bronchiolitis with or without organizing pneumonia, and interstitial fibrosis. Much like the pathogenesis of idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis (IPF), chronic HP is related to increased expression of Fas antigen and Fas ligand, leading to increased epithelial apoptosis activation in the alveoli. Cholesterol clefts or asteroid bodies are present within or outside granulomas.

Pulmonary Function Testing
Pulmonary function tests (PFTs) can generally reveal a restrictive pattern however, either a restrictive or obstructive pattern (or both) may emerge on PFTs. PFTs, therefore, are less useful in making a diagnosis but rather tracking improvement or deterioration in lung function following removal or addition of suspected antigens. They may also demonstrate reduced diffusion capacity of lungs for carbon monoxide (DLCO).

Bronchoscopy
Bronchoalveolar lavage (BAL) is a reliable way to detect inflammation in the lung airways. Fluid analysis from the lavage extracted from the airways on bronchoscopy often reveals a total elevation in cell count in addition to an elevation in the percentage of T lymphocytes. This is a good way to help exclude other similar lung diseases like sarcoidosis, infection and Idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis.

Lung biopsy

Lung biopsies can be diagnostic in cases of chronic hypersensitivity pneumonitis, or may help to suggest the diagnosis and trigger or intensify the search for an allergen. The main feature of chronic hypersensitivity pneumonitis on lung biopsies is expansion of the interstitium by lymphocytes accompanied by an occasional multinucleated giant cell or loose granuloma.

When fibrosis develops in chronic hypersensitivity pneumonitis, the differential diagnosis in lung biopsies includes the idiopathic interstitial pneumonias. This group of diseases includes usual interstitial pneumonia, non-specific interstitial pneumonia and cryptogenic organizing pneumonia, among others.

The prognosis of some idiopathic interstitial pneumonias, e.g. idiopathic usual interstitial pneumonia (i.e. idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis), are very poor and the treatments of little help. This contrasts the prognosis (and treatment) for hypersensitivity pneumonitis, which is generally fairly good if the allergen is identified and exposures to it significantly reduced or eliminated. Thus, a lung biopsy, in some cases, may make a decisive difference.

Serum Precipitins
Assays for serum IgGs can aid in identifying possible antigenic exposures and are used as markers of exposure However, there use is limited in making a definitive diagnosis because serum antibody levels are often elevated in those people who are exposed to an antigen but do not have the disease. Up to 90% of people exposed to the antigen have precipitins but only 50% of similarly exposed people who are asymptomatic have the same precipitins. False negatives are often common with serum precipitins because of lack of testing reagents for many antigens.

Precipitating IgG antibodies against fungal or avian antigens can be detected in the laboratory using the traditional Ouchterlony immunodiffusion method wherein 'precipitin' lines form on agar plate. However, the time-consuming and labor-intensive precipitin method has largely been replaced by automated IgG antibody tests. These tests can detect IgG antibodies against a variety of potential triggers including Aspergillus fumigatus (Farmer's lung or ABPA) or avian antigens (Bird Fancier's Lung). They are routinely performed on automated immunoassay systems such as ImmunoCAP or IMMULITE.

Differential diagnosis
Organic dust toxic syndrome presents similarly with fevers, chills a few hours after exposure to bioaerosols with toxins from fungi, however this is not a true hypersensitivity reaction because it occurs on initial exposure without a preceding sensitization

In chronic disease, HP must be differentiated from very similarly presenting idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis.

Although overlapping in many cases, hypersensitivity pneumonitis may be distinguished from occupational asthma in that it is not restricted to only occupational exposure, and that asthma generally is classified as a type I hypersensitivity. Unlike asthma, hypersensitivity pneumonitis targets lung alveoli rather than bronchi.

Similarly, sarcoidosis has noncaseating granuloma formation, however hilar adenopathy is often seen on chest radiographs.

Treatment
The best treatment is to avoid the provoking allergen, as chronic exposure can cause permanent damage and acute disease is often self-limiting. The identification of the provoking antigen and its location must be ascertained by conducting an exposure assessment. Home cleaning is one method of antigen avoidance. If avoidance is not possible, such as in the case of some workplace exposures, minimizing exposure can be accomplished through various means including the implementation of PPE or proper ventilation of a workplace. Corticosteroids such as prednisolone may help to control symptoms but may produce side-effects. In the case of severe, end-stage pulmonary fibrosis arising from chronic exposure, lung transplant may be the only viable option. In addition to steroids for fibrotic disease, other immunosuppressants (Azathioprine, Mycophenolic acid) and anti-fibrotic agents (Nintedanib) may be used although their effectiveness is unclear

Prognosis
There are few studies examining longitudinal outcomes in patients diagnosed with hypersensitivity pneumonitis. One study in the US showed about a 0.09 to 0.29 per million increase in mortality rates although the cause specific cause was unclear. Most of the outcomes collected are from patients diagnosed with farmer's or bird breeder's lung and thus the degree to which this data can be extrapolated to other types of HP is uncertain. Generally outcomes for HP in those with acute disease are very good if exposure is avoided. However, those with subacute or chronic type, especially with biopsy proven fibrosis fare much poorer death rates comparable to people diagnosed with Interstitial pulmonary fibrosis.

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