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Talk:Casino (1995 film)

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Stub? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.54.98.151 (talk) 03:03, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Epic Western
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 * Although it is set in the 20th century, Casino is at heart an epic Western movie with strong noir undercurrents.

Frankly, this is absurd. It is perhaps well-intentioned and thoughtful, but even if so, and I'm wrong about its absurdity, its still too POV in here. You can't call this an epic Western without taking a circuitous route of interpretation.
 * Perhaps calling it an epic Western outright is POV, but to say that calling it an epic Western is "absurd" just betrays a lack of understanding of the genre:

 * Epic Westerns draw from the Norse Saga technique. They tend to be long, sweeping, and complex, with often-shifting alliances. Characters are more deeply drawn than cheap shoot 'em up Westerns, sometimes acting as forces for good, sometime evil. Men are often caught in situations not of their own choosing, and must surmount fantastic difficulties. A common technique is someone who never wants to resort to violence, but is forced into it due to circumstances beyond his control.

 * Casino is certainly a Western; you have to be pretty myopic to miss this. It has all the elements of classic Western: the open range, the desert, endless possibilities which are thwarted by allegiances and greed, outlaws, renegades, guns, violence, murder, women, prostitutes, lawlessness, the fateful approach of "civilization". Like I said, you have to be pretty myopic to miss this much. In fact, I think Scorcese even mentions that it's an epic Western in the DVD. (I'll check...if he really does, this would be sufficient to include it with a reference.) And it's certainly an epic, spanning a lengthy time interval, involving numerous characters, complicated moral ambiguities, interconnected relationships, and certainly with a sweeping and overarching epic sensibility. You have to be pretty myopic to miss that it's an epic as well. It's an epic Western in the same way that Lawrence of Arabia and 2001 are epic Westerns, (although not set in typically Western time and place). Please note, "Western" does not just mean "mid 1800s, gunfights and saloons". "Western", like "epic", is a state of mind, and Casino inhabits the state of mind of both genres. So, I believe with some descriptive support and maybe some references to the DVD and explanation and a toning down of the POV should be enough to reinstate the claim. (The noir undercurrents are pretty obvious, too.) Revolver 18:22, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 * From the article Western (genre): One of the results of genre studies is that some have argued that "Westerns" need not take place in the American West or even in the 19th Century, as the codes can be found in other types of movie. Hud, starring Paul Newman, and Akira Kurosawa's Shichinin no samurai (The Seven Samurai), are possible examples of these. Likewise, it has been pointed out that films set in the old American West, may not necessarily be considered "Westerns." Certainly, the "codes" of the epic Western are found in Casino. Revolver 18:42, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I wasn't able to find a Scorsese quote using "epic Western", but in the DVD commentary he describes it as a story about the "West" and the "frontier". And the editor (I believe) all but says it's a Western: "Marty always wanted to do a Western, but he never would feel comfortable filming, you know, horses and cowboys." (paraphrase) Revolver 06:06, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Story behind the story?
Although the paragraphs removed on 17:15 20 January 2006 by James084 may be extraneous and not germaine to the film itself, it seems to be germaine to the topic. I found the information to be useful as it provided an insight to real life behind the story of the film. I would like to see it reinstated in an epilogue or linked if it is addressed elsewhere. Thoughts? Accurizer 14:12, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Language in Casino
My favourite part was where they were talking on the phone in what seemed like perfectly normal English but the subtitles showed that they were actually talking about something completely different. That would be interesting to see in the article if anyone knows. Mithridates 12:49, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

.... That wasn't "another language", the subtitles were just letting the viewer understand their code. Lemonjuice1020 (talk) 02:23, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Fiction or Non-Fiction
In the film, Nicky Santoro (who is based on Tony Spilotro), has a wife, Jennifer, and a son, Nicky Jr./Little Nicky. Did Tony Spilotro really have a wife and son? Or are Jennifer and Nicky Jr. fictional characters?

The film is fictional, only based on a true story. So, it doesn't matter. They could have given Nicky an adopted Asian kid. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:204:C780:3D0:64A8:740B:D4B0:E0E (talk) 20:32, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

 * I read the true book that the semi-true movie is based on. He did have a wife and son, and while his marriage to his wife was a shambles, he was a devoted father who, like in the movie, would go home and make breakfast for his son every morning no matter where he was.  That part of the movie was true.JeffStickney
 * Was Dominick Santoro in his twenties during the film? It's just that Nicky said about him "Leave the kid alone!". I thought Michael Spilotro was only 6 years younger than Tony Spilotro.
 * Yes, Michael was 6 years younger than Tony. I think when Nicky says "Leave the kid alone", he means "Leave my kid brother alone!".

I edited this article to put in Nicholas "Nicky" Santoro, Senior for Joe Pesci's character, since Anthony "The Ant" Spilotro was portayed as having a son (Vincent Spilotro II, portrayed by two actors that are brothers, 8 and 10 years of age as Nicholas "Nicky" Santoro, Junior). Signed by Tim Correll at 13:50 Monday, November 25, 2013.

Had Enough
What dis it exactly mean, "The Bosses had had enough of Nicky"? Was it because of his reckless criminal activities Rothstein warned him about, or did they just simply want to replace him with a better candidate?

 * Yeah, Nicky was bringing the casino too much attention from the cops...and if you know what's good for you, you'll stop asking such questions, otherwise we'll have to whack you too. Capishe? Clarityfiend 18:05, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Ah! Hahahahahaha!! That's really funny!! But I'm really no harm. I just want to know about a movie, that's all. Anyway, you don't know who I am and where I live. Jienum 22:29, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

 * It was for several reasons. It was not necessarily because of his reckless criminal activities; that in and of itself wouldn't have done it, since he was a made man. Rather it was a combination of things; because some of his activities were unsanctioned by the bosses, like the attempted hit on Rosenthal's character, Sam "Ace" Rothstein, even though Rothstein wasn't a made guy, he was very valuable to them, and they couldn't allow to continue to Nicky Santoro take things like that into his own hands.  They probably suspected that he was a loose cannon with delusions of grandeur of taking over the mob itself, thinking he may try to take out Aiuppa's character, Remo Gaggi, to head the Chicago mob himself, which if you remember when he threatened the banker in Sam's house, he told Sam that was his plan to "take over".  Then, on top of that, he was sleeping with an associate's wife, which was a violation of the rules.  In real life, there was speculation as well, which may hold plenty of truth, that Tony Spilotro's (character: Nicky Santoro) younger brother Michael had done some really bad things, and stepped on plenty of toes that the mob needed to take Michael out, but knew if they did, then Tony would retaliate, so they had to get rid of him too. ChÿnaDragön 22:31, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey, take it to IMdB.com! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.248.164.237 (talk) 04:08, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. Lemonjuice1020 (talk) 02:24, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

synopsis
This article should have an abbreviated synopsis prior in the article to the much more detailed one we have now. It's way too long to be a functional summary for someone wanting the gest of the movie. Compare with other movie articles in wikipedia.Loodog 18:36, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Rosenthal the Jew?
Why do the bosses refer to Sam Rothstein as "The Jew"? Was Frank Rosenthal a Jewish man, or were they using the word as an insult? Jienum 20:13, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

 * According to the Frank Rosenthal article, he wasn't ethnically Jewish, but was adopted by a Jewish couple. Clarityfiend 18:08, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes he was Jewish-as were most of the gangsters who initially founded the Strip. 68.224.206.168 (talk) 17:46, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Frank Cullotta on Casino?????
The trivia section states that Curly, the man who shoots John Nance in the brain, was played by Frank Cullotta. Is this true!? Jienum 19:37, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yep! This is true! Look at Frank Cullotta's picture and watch that part again, and it's very clear! Cool, huh? He did, after all, consult on the film.  I think, however, if I were Cullotta, I would have been too afraid to throw myself into the public eye that way.

Wikiproject California? Are you kidding?
The movie is set in Nevada. Aside from being filmed in Holywood (like most US movies), what does this have to do with California?JeffStickney 03:35, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Fact/fiction section
I've just removed the paragraph about Nicky's brother being 'finished' before being buried (while both brothers were found to be buried alive in the real-life autopsy) - in the film, both characters are seen breathing as they are buried. Squeezeweasel 15:49, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, you (and the movie) are BOTH wrong. According to the autopsy reports on both brothers, there was a minute bit of sand found in their lungs, which initially led the media to speculate, incorrectly, that they were buried alive when the bodies were found on June 22, 1986 in an Enos, Indiana cornfield.  However, during the investigation into other murders in 2005, nearly 20 years later, the murders of the Spilotro brothers are now thought to have taken place either in DuPage County, Illinois in Joey Aiuppa's hunting lodge, or in the basement of an Indiana home, where they were beaten and strangled before being buried in the cornfield.

 * The original autopsy reports indicate that the official cause of death came back as asphyxiation. According Nick Calabrese, turned informant by the Feds in the 2005 murder investigation (including 16 OTHER murders), he stated that the Spilotros were lured to the basement of a Bensenville, Indiana home with the story that Michael was about to be inducted into the Mafia. Once there, the two brothers subsequently were beaten with fists, feet and gun butts and finally strangled to death. The bodies were dumped in previously dug holes in the Indiana cornfield.  So, according to Calabrese, they were dead before being buried.  As to the sand in their lungs, it's anyone's guess as to how it got there, but the being buried alive part was purely speculation. But the official C.O.D. of asphyxiation plus the sand in their lungs is why the rumor got started, but their lungs were not full of sand, as would be expected if they were buried alive.  Rather, they were strangled. ChÿnaDragön 22:31, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

'CAST' and 'Differences between Fact and Fiction Sections' Inaccuracies
In the "cast" section, it's stated that Artie Piscano's character, played by Vinny Vella, was based on Nick Civella, who at the time (in real life), was the Kansas City crime boss. However, in the "Fact vs. Fiction" section above, it's stated that Piscano's character was based on Carl DeLuna, Nick Civella's son-in-law, with which I concur is who Piscano's character is REALLY based on. This is a contradiction directly in the Wiki article that I'm surprised no one else has spotted yet, but clearly needs to be corrrected. Reasons why I believe Piscano's character was based on DeLuna and NOT Civella: "1 - A search of DeLuna's home produced records of Las Vegas trip expenses after a search warrant was executed in 1979, whereas Civella kept no such records, or if he did, they were never found." "2 - As boss of KC, Civella would probably not have been complaining to anyone at home about his expenses, since he was receiving the majority of the KC skim money, which was a substantial amount totalling between $40-80,000 split three ways among Chicago, Milwaukee, and Kansas City. DeLuna, however as underboss, wasn't receiving but a portion of his father-in-law's and uncle's take. If Civella was going to complain to anyone, it would have likely been Joey Aiuppa's character, Remo Gaggi, since Chicago received a bigger portion of the skim money than either KC or Milwaukee." "3 - Civella would certainly NOT have been complaining to his mother and/or an uncle about expenses, since both were dead at the time. Nick Civella would have been about 67 years old at the time, which would have made his mother and/or an uncle approximately 15-22 years older, and it is not known if Nick Civella even had any other relations involved with the KC mafia at all." "4 - DeLuna and both Civella brothers were indicted for casino skimming, along with in the late 70's and early 80's. However, Nick Civella was not arrested for this, since he was in prison at the time, and even though he was released in 1983, he died before the trials had begun."

Since I have not read the book, I can't say if the book names actual names, or character names, or how they even talk about Civella/DeLuna. Does anyone else have an opinion if Artie Piscano is supposed to be based on DeLuna or Civella, or a combination of the two? If the argument is made to where it IS indeed Civella on which Piscano's character is based, (which I doubt), then the "Fact vs. Fiction" section needs to be updated to reflect different facts: Civella was not actually convicted of skimming the casinos in the 70's or 80's, although he was originally named in the indictment, but died before they could prosecute him in 1983. Civella was already serving a four-year prison sentence on bribery charges when arrests were made due to FBI wire-taps where DeLuna was overheard discussing Nevado casino skimming operations with Carl "Cork" Civella (Nick's brother), but due to health reasons, Nick Civella was released to his family on March 1, 1983 and died less than two weeks later, on March 12th. DeLuna was convicted, however; along with his uncle and Nick's brother, Carl Civella and Charles D. Moretina (another KC mobster), in July, 1983.

I'll wait a week or two to see if anyone can make a good case as to why the "cast" section should stay the same, and the Fact/Fiction section should be changed with regards to the Civella/DeLuna issue I've posted or vice versa, and if no responses or arguments changed at that time, I'll change it, if someone else doesn't do it for me first. :) ChÿnaDragön 22:31, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Character
Does anyone know who plays "Armstrong" the oldish guy. Sam Rothstein, when he tries to catch the cheaters, picks up the phone and asks for "Armstrong and Friday at pit two" and then Armstrong comes. He is the guy who uses the cattle-prod against the signaller.

Does anyone know what his name is or who he is?

Regards

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"Continuity Errors" Section
I removed the section labeled "Continuity Errors", as I felt is was something that belonged more on IMDB. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gdamascus (talk • contribs) 07:03, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Ray Liotta in Casino
Was there a section that said that Scorcese was trying to get Ray Liotta to play the part of either Lester Diamond or Philip Green? If so, was he trying to reunite the "Goodfellas Three", thus further ensuring its continuity? USN1977 (talk) 17:10, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Additional songs in the film
I removed the following as original research. Unlike the actual released soundtrack, which can be verified, this list is the result of someone sitting down, watching the film, and making a list of every song they heard. As such, it is inappropriate. Other than that, it seems really trivial. ---  RepublicanJacobite  The'FortyFive' 13:28, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * "Moonglow / theme from Picnic" – Eddie DeLange/Irving Mills
 * "Sing Sing Sing" – Louis Prima
 * "7-11 (Mambo #5)" – The Gone All Stars
 * "Long Long While" – The Rolling Stones
 * "Heart of Stone" – The Rolling Stones
 * "Nel blu Dipinto di Blu (Volare)" – Domenico Modugno
 * "Takes Two to Tango" – Ray Charles & Betty Carter
 * "Unforgettable" – Dinah Washington
 * "Love Me the Way I Love You" – Jerry Vale
 * "Let's Start All Over" – The Paragons
 * "(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction" – Devo
 * "Sweet Virginia" – The Rolling Stones
 * "Stella by Starlight" – Ray Charles
 * "Sweet Dreams" – Emmylou Harris
 * "Can't You Hear Me Knocking" – The Rolling Stones
 * "Toad" – Cream
 * "Gimme Shelter" (live version) – The Rolling Stones
 * "EEE-O Eleven" 1960 Oceans Eleven – Sammy Davis, Jr.
 * "I'll Walk Alone" – Don Cornell
 * "Whip It" – Devo
 * "I'm Confessing That I Love You" – Louis Prima & Keely Smith
 * "Harbor Lights" – The Platters

Uncredited Steve Allen/Jayne Meadows Incorrect
This article states that Steve Allen and Jayne Meadows have uncredited roles. In actuality, the credits list Steve Allen and Jayne Meadows as "Himself" and "Herself", respectively. Therefore, the film properly credits these two individuals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.204.52.1 (talk) 19:36, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

De Niro's character was inspired by the life of Frank "Lefty" Rosenthal

 * Interview on pbs.org.91.39.121.132 (talk) 21:37, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Extortant
"Extortant" is used in this article. Doesn't appear to be a real word. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.236.218.106 (talk) 21:00, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Dominic Santoro / Michael Spilotro?
Probably a no-brainer, but if Nicky Santoro is based on Anthony Spilotro, then shouldn't the cast description state that Dominic was based on Michael? Or was there not enough screen time given to the character to make that association, even if the character was basically meant to be the same guy? Is it wrong claim a character is based on a real life person if said person's exploits, most of them anyway, aren't shown on screen? Just trying to figure out why one brother is based on an actual mafioso while the other one isn't according to the cast listing/description. I was going to edit it, but wanted to make sure it wasn't deliberately left out for some reason. 184.99.169.37 (talk) 13:37, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

"Eighth and final collaboration" between Scorsese and Deniro.Which one of them died?
If it was their final collaboration, this implies one of them died.2602:30A:C07C:CF80:226:2DFF:FE4C:7DD2 (talk) 17:52, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Good point, considering they're doing The Irishman together in 2017. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:204:C780:3D0:64A8:740B:D4B0:E0E (talk) 20:35, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

It is merely based on true story...this is a fictional movie
I removed "Chicago" from the plot summary because Chicago is never once mentioned in the movie. The story is based on the Chicago outfit, but it's not germane to the FICTIONAL story being told, that is merely based on a true story. True crime buffs can show off their wealth of knowledge all they want to in ensuing sections about filming and the story's basis, but the plot summary should be precisely about what is in the actual movie. I removed "caporegime" from Nicky's description, too, because it too is never once mentioned in the film. He's only referred to as Ace's old friend, a "made guy", and Remo's "enforcer" from "back home". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:204:C780:3D0:64A8:740B:D4B0:E0E (talk) 20:40, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Remo Gaggi is identified as "the Outfit's top boss," in Nicky Santoro's narration about the "Midwestern bosses." That ought to be enough to include Chicago. Tapered (talk) 04:44, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

The term "Chicago", in any context, is NEVER once used in the entire movie. This is a fictional film merely based on a true story. A plot summary shouldn't include assumptions, unless the assumption is identified as such. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:204:D506:5F70:D9B3:5605:4CE7:3667 (talk) 03:25, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Should also be noted that the basis for Nicky Santoro, a mobster named Tony Spilotro, wasn't even a captain. He was just considered a "soldier", which is the lowest level of fully initiated mob members. Spilotro reported to a captain in Chicago. Spilotro tried to start his own unsanctioned Las Vegas crew that he may have declared himself the captain of but it was not endorsed by the Outfit or any of the other families, and it was one of the reasons he was killed. He wasn't even supposed to be committing crimes in Vegas outside of his given duties in the skim operation, which primarily consisted of protecting Frank Rosenthal from being extorted by other mobsters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:204:D503:CD10:DCCC:2BB6:AE48:3335 (talk) 18:11, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Character attribution
Just restored the "based ons" to the fictional characters. It's documented that the movie is based on actual events and people. Information about this from reliable sources is all over the internet, so a total wipeout of the info is inappropriate. A maintainence box would be more appropriate. Tapered (talk) 04:48, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Putting that information in the cast section is inappropriate, as it implies that the characters in the film are faithful depictions of actual people, when all indications are that the characters and events of the film were highly fictionalized. If there are reliable sources for the historical basis of the characters and events, then a section should be created that would spell out the historical basis and how the film, in both its events and characterizations, diverged from historical fact.  The current situation is, at best, inaccurate, if not simply misleading. ---  The Old Jacobite   The '45  16:44, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

 * This is a tough one. I agree that the cast section is not the right place for this for the reasons mentioned, especially since several of the characters' inspirations are still alive and kicking and probably had something to say about their depctions in the film. However, this is a list of 15 people, and it's going to be clumsy in most other places. I think it would probably be best to include it somewhere in the Production section, and likely trim the less notable people (and obviously properly source each remaining depiction!). I suspect there might be more than one sentence to be said about some of the characterisations, e.g. . Daß   Wölf 18:50, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Agree with TOJ and DW that they do not belong in the cast section. "Based on" is not the same thing as is and, as is usual with films (or other media for that matter) liberties, large and small, are taken with the actual people lives and events. A prose section that is WP:RSed is best. MarnetteD|Talk 20:19, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Daß and Marnette. If we cooperate, I'm sure we can work this out.  I particularly like the suggestion that the list of characters be reduced from 15 to a more manageable number.  Many of them are not notable. ---  The Old Jacobite   The '45  23:00, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree that the real-life inspirations for the characters should be discussed somehwere in the article but if they do not have straight real-life counter-parts Wikipedia should not ascribe them as such. TOJ's porposal to create a section about the real-basis for the characters and events in the film seems like a sensible one to me. Betty Logan (talk) 14:06, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

 * I stand by the edit. Wikipedia readers are intelligent enough to know that "based on" means that the character isn't a perfect replica of the original. The synopsis of the plot in the article body doesn't include several of the "based on" or made up characters, so at the moment, the character listing is a logical place for the "based on" attribution. Only one of the main "based on" characters is alive, and he's 78. The actual persons who inspired the 3 main characters are discussed in the lede. Interestingly, based on the film, I looked up Carl DeLuna/Artie Piscano. He did keep far too detailed records, as depicted in the movie, and it had serious LCN repurcussions, which you can now read about in the properly documented article. Tapered (talk) 06:31, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * On further reflection, this is not an important enough article, information category to deal with this much petty intellectualism. Tapered (talk) 05:15, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

"A problem emerged...."
I removed "A problem emerged when they were forced to refer to Chicago as 'back home' and use the words 'adapted from a true story' instead of 'based on a true story,'" from the Development section. That may all be true, but what problem? Why were the makers of a movie "forced" to use "back home"? And why the change from "adapted from" to "based on"? The sentence just raises questions and doesn't provide information. Rush242 (talk) 20:45, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
 * So, more information can be added from the citation that is provided. You've given no good reason for its removal. ---  The Old Jacobite   The '45  04:01, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

 * I removed it again. I gave a good reason for its removal, there are endless problems in making films and the sentence doesn't make any sense as it stands. For example, if it said "A problem emerged when the City of Chicago filed suit for (x) and as a result of the judge's orders, the producers were forced to refer to Chicago as 'back home' and use the words 'adapted from a true story' instead of 'based on a true story,'". THAT makes sense. A sentence like the original could be used 50 times in the article, e.g., "A problem emerged when they were forced to use exterior shots from a casino in Henderson and remove some of the vintage cars in several scenes", or, "A problem emerged when they were forced to use a different type of film canister on some of the filming days". The fact that further information is available from sources is self-evident, but the articles aren't teasers for the sources.Rush242 (talk) 16:55, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Your opinion is meaningless. The sentence is sourced and your removal of it is vandalism. ---  The Old Jacobite   The '45  17:51, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

No mention of Nas's 'Sweet Dreams'?
'The song's Sweet Dreams (song) big-budget video, directed by Hype Williams, was an allusion to the Martin Scorsese film Casino. It was filmed in Las Vegas around the time Tupac Shakur was murdered and featured a cameo appearance by Frank Vincent. Perhaps as a show of appreciation, Scorsese later used Nas' "Thief's Theme" in a scene from his 2006 gangster/cop drama The Departed.' -https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_Dreams_(song) Beingsshepherd (talk) 02:50, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

 * One WP article cannot be used to source another. Is there any reputable source that cites the film's influence on the video and its significance? ---  The Old Jacobite   The '45  12:37, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

 * I know; I was merely asking the question before getting any deeper.
 * Maybe try the link if you're keen. Thanks. Beingsshepherd (talk) 15:54, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

"Sam disowns Ginger, as does Nicky."
Rather than using edit summaries, can Jienum explain why they want their changes made? As they've been reverted it should be obvious that there are issues, so in order to resolve them it would seem that this is the obvious place. Chaheel Riens (talk) 17:25, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
 * As I've clearly stated numerous times, I'm not out to vandalise or anything. I've been making edits big and small on Wikipedia for over ten years with no problem, and now all of a sudden, TheOldJacobite comes into the picture and makes it his mission to revert every single small edit I make on Wikipedia, so matter how ridiculous it seems.
 * My point is not specifically putting why Nicky disowns Ginger, my point is the ridiculousness of the situation that makes it look as if TheOldJacobite is doing it purely out of spite, as if saying "Fuck you, you have no right to make edits here anymore". Whenever I add something small to an article nowadays, my first thought is how long it will last before TheOldJacobite reverts it. Jienum (talk) 20:31, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
 * You need to stop these personnel attacks. Especially since they have nothing to do with the edits to the article. MarnetteD|Talk 21:06, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
 * (e/c)
 * I've often said there should be a template for "don't take it personally" - this seems a prime occasion for it.
 * Anyway, if you can't justify the reasons for inclusion here on the talk page, but would rather discuss the editor responsible for their removal - I think that answers the question about whether the edits should stand, or be reverted. Chaheel Riens (talk) 21:19, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
 * It was worth trying, but I already knew it was a no-win situation. People with power always abuse it, it's become so routine that it's hardly noticed nowadays, nothing can be done about it. Jienum (talk) 21:39, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
 * To the best of my recollection, I've reverted your edits on two, maybe three, articles, over the course of several months. I think that hardly adds up to a vendetta against you.  Indeed, until you mentioned it, I didn't realize that I was reverting the same person.  Truly, I have no opinion about you, your efforts on WP, or your opinions.  I am interested only in the quality of the articles I edit.  With that in mind, I did not think that the details you added were necessary.  That is the sum total of my thinking on this matter. --- The Old Jacobite The '45 22:56, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Why the revert without even an edit sum?
was reverted without even an explanation, as if it was vandalism or something. That's just rude. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 05:18, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I've removed it again - using an edit summary - because the scene is no more notable than any of Nicky's other acts of violence, it's purely opinion that it's a "memorable scene", it makes assumptions and suggests opinions, and the way it's been inserted is against the plot flow. Additionally all the above add to plot bloat, which is specifically warned about in the hidden comment.  Chaheel Riens (talk) 10:33, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Removal was appropriate. Please see WP:FILMPLOT MarnetteD|Talk 17:36, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Erroneous word count
I've removed the following incorrect sentence from the article:

"As of 2017, Casino holds the record for the most dialogue in a film, with 67,618 spoken words in its screenplay (7-times the amount of the average movie). "

The linked source in the sentence gets its data from the following Github data set:

https://github.com/matthewfdaniels/scripts/

However another user on Github points out that this particular Casino data point is incorrect:

https://github.com/matthewfdaniels/scripts/issues/2

The reason being that the total word count of the Casino script used as the source of the data, including both dialogue and stage directions, is 51,831 words. So it is impossible that the Casino dialogue alone is 67,618 words long. The data is incorrect for that film. AutobioGraphix (talk) 17:00, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Whip It
Why isn't Whip It by Devo listed in the sound track. It's a 1980 release and is heard when the film gets to that year.70.161.8.90 (talk) 21:17, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Soundtrack
Song #9 for Disk 2 is incorrect. It should be "Those Were the Days" by Cream, not "Toad" 2600:6C51:717F:3404:FD33:1D1F:E6CB:CB1F (talk) 04:00, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Albert Brooks

Birth Name, Albert Einstein?
Wow! surprised more people haven’t picked up on this. 173.27.82.92 (talk) 16:35, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Why is his name given in Yiddish in the lead?
Does he speak Yiddish? He's from the US, as are his parents. He's a very secular Jew, and I can't think offhand of any Jewish Americans whose names in Wikipedia are randomly translated into Yiddish. I'm happy to look up a Wiki policy on why this seems... at best random, if no one has an answer for this. Moncrief (talk) 04:48, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Comparison of BitTorrent clients

Entries without articles
The article refers to a dispute about inclusion criteria. To repeat my comment from February 2010 (now archived): The convention is to remove entries from lists such as these that have no articles. This article is currently riddled with useless and spammy entries for the reader, many of which have no source and no useful information. The only objective way to decide if an entry should be added is whether it is notable, and therefore has an article. If not, any pet projects (and there are numerous unsourced entries with no information, or clients that haven't even reached version 1) can be added, and the list becomes unmanageable for the reader. See WP:WTAF. There was no response to this comment in February, but I forgot to come back and clean the article, so I'm repeating it here on the active talk page before starting to clean the article. Greenman (talk)

 * From my experience, it's very difficult to publish new software on Wikipedia. They tend to reject based on "Wikipedia isn't a software repository", or "written like an ad" or lacking notability (all valid reasons). Several existing client's wikipedia pages are even marked as such. Some client pages have only a paragraph or two and haven't been updated in years. My suggestion would be to allow entries that have no wikipedia articles if they are being actively developed and have been around for more than a year. COI Disclaimer: I'm a BiglyBT developer; Someone other than myself would have to make this decision.  --TuxPaper (talk) 19:56, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Only this year the program was removed four times. Every time added by an IP or an SPA. This sounds like spamming to me... The Banner  talk 23:09, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not arguing for BiglyBT to be allowed to have its own wikipedia page, that's entirely a different issue and process, which has already run its course. What I'm advocating for is to allow any clients that do not have wikipedia pages to be listed on the comparison charts on this current wiki page. I've suggested an "actively developed" criteria instead of "entries with articles", which I think would be a good start for a discussion amoungst the maintainers and re-occurring non-COI viewers of this page.  I have no intention of making edits to this page due to COI, but I think I read somewhere that I'm allowed to raise ideas like this in the talk page as long as I mention my COI. TuxPaper (talk) 09:15, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Why should we add programs that are deemed to be not-notable?
 * But the rules are simple: write an article that, backed up with independent & reliable sources, proves the notability of the program. The Banner  talk 09:23, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Two reasons why notable/non-notable isn't a good criteria: (1) Notable clients that haven't been actively developed in over 10 years clutter the existing list and provide nothing for people using this list to choose a client (2) Wikipedia has increased its standard over the years for notability. Proof of this is the many of the existing torrent client wikipedia pages being only skeletons or flagged as "written like an ad".  Since these client's wikipedia pages were added before the higher notability standards, they get a "free pass" to live on (either because no one bothers to request they be deleted, or stays in limbo for years because they have the "hey, someone fix this article" header on them). To use my COI as an example, I can't create a Wikipedia page about my client because it doesn't meet notability, and may never meet that standard. The clients that have skeleton wikipedia pages therefore have an unfair advantage using the "must have a wikipedia page" criteria.TuxPaper (talk) 18:42, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * A good reason for the notability requirement is the prevention of advertising, what is contrary to the guidelines of Wikipedia. The Banner  talk 23:50, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

 * Seems BiglyBT is getting more notable, in 2020 it was most used client at 10/13, even referenced in a Wikipedia article 185.186.143.61 (talk) 18:50, 13 January 2021 (UTC)OccasionalPasserby
 * More notable? Used in 0.3%? The Banner  talk 20:43, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
 * There are article pages of clients with a lower share. This looks totally like personal bias. 2A00:BD80:A929:0:38C:0:0:1 (talk) 18:13, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I have been researching bittorent clients, and just replaced Vuze with BiglyBT. It is listed as having more than 100K downloads on Google Play just as an Android client, and is listed by my VPN, ProtonVPN (which is highly respected) as one of the Five best torrent clients for your privacy 2023, which is why I chose it.  The fact that it has no Wikipedia page is incomprehensible to me.  Shouldn't the direction of causality be that articles, such as Usage share of BitTorrent clients that cite sources that deem a client notable (which includes BiglyBT) should leave a red link, and enough red links in well-sourced articles should be proof of notability?  Or are you arguing that statistics about clients without Wikipedia pages should simply be left out, because clients can never become notable? Reversible Physicist (talk) 18:47, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You can read about what constitutes 'proof of notability' at Notability. It has nothing to do with number of red links or usage share, both of which are easily game-able metrics. MrOllie (talk) 18:56, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You're right, it's tricky to weight evidence of notability such as usage statistics or citations. In academia we do exactly that, but there's a prominent review process and human editors of prestigious journals make sure there aren't random citations added to their product. Whatever criteria we use, though, it cannot be that lack of a Wikipedia page for some product or idea requires that evidence of importance be suppressed from other pages, as the initial post above seems to claim is the Wikipedia convention! Reversible Physicist (talk) 21:42, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That is exactly what this list article requires. It is the most common inclusion criterion for lists of software on Wikipedia. The Wikipedia community has settled on it as the best way to restrict scope to those entries that are compatible with the content policies of the encyclopedia. And if it encourages some people to write a few more articles that is a very welcome effect, since writing articles is the purpose of this encyclopedia project - not making promotional lists of software. MrOllie (talk) 21:46, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I understand, and I completely agree that is exactly what you must do for a generic list article. But certainly not for a list based on an external source, such as the Wikipedia article Usage share of BitTorrent clients, which does include BiglyBT.  In that case you can't claim an external source for the list and then leave out part of it.  Now what if you made a list of the clients currently recommended for their users on the websites of notable VPN s (ones with Wikipedia pages), summarizing why they say they recommend each? (Links to archive.org might be useful here). This list would exclude some bad and obsolete clients with Wikipedia pages, and would include some newer clients without Wikipedia pages, and would encourage the creation of Wikipedia pages for them. Would this not be a useful and allowed list? Perhaps more useful than an out-of-date generic list? Reversible Physicist (talk) 23:04, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * This list is not 'based on an external source', and your proposed list would be swiftly deleted since repeating the recommendations of VPN operators is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia. MrOllie (talk) 23:07, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay, I don't think my idea is very workable because most of the VPN's don't seem to make detailed recommendations about torrent clients. I was a bit fooled by ProtonVPN, which strongly recommends five open-source apps that support privacy well, and can themselves be audited for privacy. Since these are unpaid apps unaffiliated with the company, I see no conflict with the purpose of Wikipedia.  For other companies, though, they mostly just have guides on how to setup the most widely used apps, and so the list you'd get from them would just be the most common apps.  Still not much conflict with objectivity, though. Reversible Physicist (talk) 01:50, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Blog posts by VPN vendors do not remotely meet Wikipedia's sourcing requirements. Attempting to base a list on marketing materials like a vendor blog would in fact be contrary to the purpose of the encyclopedia. MrOllie (talk) 02:27, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It is interesting to see how many people have already tried to write the article, usually by copy and paste. And not one managed to prove notability by using reliable, independent sources.Most of them were clear promo pieces. The Banner  talk 23:23, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I can see that Wikipedia editors have to spend a lot of time beating down self promotion. The article on VPN Services does seem to manage to glean quite a bit of objective information from their websites, so it doesn't seem to be impossible! Reversible Physicist (talk) 01:55, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Then good luck in writing a draft-article and submitting that through the AFC-process (the article is protected against recreation, so you have to follow that route to get the article approved and the protection lifted). For such an important program (as is claimed) it should be possible to write a neutral article with reliable, independent sources, don't you think? The Banner  talk 09:34, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not planning to write an article. Thank you both for better educating me about how editors protect the integrity of Wikipedia!   I'm used to writing academic papers, which are original research and you only need to convince the reviewers that it is interesting and correct.  This is a very different situation.  I'm not even sure that reviews on popular technology sites would be useful citations, since there may be questions about editorial independence.  I'll leave it to someone braver and less busy to sort this out! Reversible Physicist (talk) 17:47, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

WebTorrent and WebTorrent feature support missing
WebTorrent (js) and WebTorrent Desktop are missing clients. Also the supported features section is missing a column for WebTorrent support. Some libs and clients can talk to WebTorrent (js) clients, as can be seen here: Add WebRTC support to popular torrent clients --PeterTheOne (talk) 12:02, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

BiglyBT missing
The recent fork of Vuze by the former Vuze core developers is missing. It can be found here: (link to website removed, as it is currently on the Wikipedia blacklist, request for whitelisting was filled) https://torrentfreak.com/former-vuze-developers-launch-biglybt-a-new-open-source-torrent-client-170803/ https://www.github.com/BiglySoftware/BiglyBT — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agowa (talk • contribs) 03:02, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

 * See the section titled 'Entries without articles' above. - MrOllie (talk) 03:04, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
 * BiglyBT should most definitely deserve its own page and entry on this list.
 * Its exclusion seems totally arbitrary, and reading the comments above a matter of personal bias.
 * Please go ahead and make it happen. 2A00:BD80:A929:0:38C:0:0:1 (talk) 18:12, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Hash Web Seeding vs HTTP Web Seeding
I assume the Hash Web Seeding feature refers to BEP 17, and HTTP Web Seeding feature refers to BEP 19. If so, this should be clearly and explicitly stated on the page. Crozone (talk) 04:38, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

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Vaughan Lewis

Vaughan Allen Lewis, KCSL CBE (born 17 May 1940), is a Saint Lucian politician and a former member of the United Workers' Party (UWP). He served for a brief period as the fifth Prime Minister of Saint Lucia following the resignation of John Compton. Lewis, a former director of the Organisation of Eastern Caribbean States, assumed the office of Prime Minister on 2 April 1996. He also served as Minister of Finance, Planning and Development, and Minister of External Affairs. In elections that followed on 23 May 1997, Lewis and the UWP suffered a huge setback, losing all but one of their seats in Parliament, forcing him to resign in favor of the leader of the Saint Lucia Labour Party, Dr Kenny Anthony.

Compton defeated Lewis for the UWP leadership in a party conference in Soufrière on 13 March 2005. Compton received 260 votes against 135 for Lewis.

Following this defeat, Lewis resigned from the United Workers Party and joined the Saint Lucia Labour Party. On 7 September 2006, the executive of the Saint Lucia Labour Party endorsed Dr Vaughan Lewis as its candidate for the Castries Central constituency in the December 2006 general election.

Lewis' defection to Labour was controversial. After losing two general elections in a row, Lewis had the opportunity to win the Castries Central seat in a February 2006 by-election. He then told UWP supporters first that he was the endorsed candidate. He then told them that he was taking time to make up his mind. Finally, he quit the UWP all together and said that he was no longer interested in electoral politics. However, Lewis had been in talks with high-ranking members of the Saint Lucia Labour Party about his defection since he was defeated by Compton in the leadership contest.

More troubling for Labour's top strategists was the fact that Lewis had brought Desmond Brathwaite into the party with him. Brathwaite is best known as the Women's Affairs Minister who was charged with kicking his wife down a flight of stairs in 1994. He was terribly unpopular but became so close to Lewis in 1996 that when asked why he didn't drop Brathwaite for political reasons, Lewis replied, "I'd rather lose with Brathwaite than win without him." It led to the most crushing defeat in St Lucian political history. There were two other candidates, one of whom, then Senator Petra Nelson, subsequently left the Saint Lucia Labour Party to campaign for the United Workers Party in the 2006 general elections.

On the face of it, Labour put up a good front, hailing Lewis as a great Caribbean citizen and intellectual who was betrayed by Sir John Compton.

Lewis failed in his bid to win the Castries Central parliamentary seat from the UWP candidate Richard Frederick in the 2006 general elections held on 11 December. Lewis returned to academia and was a professor at the University of the West Indies, St Augustine Campus, in Trinidad and Tobago. He has returned to St. Lucia occasionally to appear on the platform of the St Lucia Labour Party. He was chosen as part of a task force to explore the possibility of a union between Trinidad and Tobago and The Organisation of Eastern Caribbean States. After the St Lucia Labour Party government returned to office in 2011, Lewis became a special advisor in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs

He is married to lawyer Shirley Lewis, a Barbadian native and former Mayor of Castries. He is part of the prominent Lewis clan, son of St. Lucia's first Governor General, Sir Allen Lewis, and nephew of Sir Arthur Lewis, Nobel laureate in economics. Vaughan Lewis earned a PhD in political science from the University of Manchester in 1970.

In February 2016, to mark St Lucia Independence Day, Lewis became one of the first knights of the Order of Saint Lucia, granting him the title of "Sir".

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Talk:Fred Savage

Profile picture is so old that it doesn't really represent current living person
It's fairly ridiculous to represent a 43 year old man with a picture of him when he was 13. Normally a picture that old would be further down in the article, near the section on his early work, and if there's not a newer royalty free image available, then it should be blank in the infobox. Hubcapp (talk) 20:01, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I'd ask what the purpose of the picture is. If it is to show how they look "now", then you're right. Or it could be shown for the period of time/role they're know for. Or were most well known. Which might be the Wonder Years in this case. I'd go for the current picture.
 * Dannman (talk) 14:16, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Savage is actively working in television and "known" to those who follow his current work. The Macaulay Culkin and Shirley Temple articles each show them first as adults, even if they remain well-known for their child performances. 73.71.251.64 (talk) 20:41, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

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Michael Pilgrim

Bryan Michael Pilgrim (born 3 January 1947) is a Saint Lucian politician and former prime minister.

He was appointed as a minister within the office of Prime Minister Allan Louisy after Saint Lucia Labour Party victory in the elections of 1979. However, he fell out with the Labour party in 1982. He served as 4th Prime Minister of Saint Lucia (Acting Prime Minister) after the resignation of Winston Cenac on 17 January 1982. He also held the additional portfolio of Minister of Finance. As agreed he served for four months. He campaigned in the 1982 elections as Progressive Labour Party candidate, but lost. He was succeeded as prime minister in May 1982 by John Compton, leader of the United Workers' Party.

He campaigned in both of the 1987 elections as a candidate of Progressive Labour Party candidate, but lost. Then Pilgrim set up his own accounting firm. However, in the elections of 1992 he campaigned as United Workers Party (UWP) candidate, but lost.

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Puri (food)

Puri, also poori, is a type of deep-fried bread, made from unleavened whole-wheat flour, originated from the Indian subcontinent.

Puris are most commonly served as breakfast or snacks. It is also served at special or ceremonial functions as part of ceremonial rituals along with other vegetarian food offered in Hindu prayer as prasadam.

Name
The name Puri derives from the Sanskrit word पूरिका (pūrikā), from पुर (pura) "filled". In other South Asian languages it is known as: Urdu: پوری (𝘱𝘰𝘰𝘳𝘪), Dogri: पूरी (pūrī) or पूड़ी (pūṛī), Kumaoni: लगड (lagaḍ),    பூரி (poori), పూరి (pūri), Gujarati: પૂરી, পুৰি (puri), পুরি (pūri), पूड़ी (pūṛī), पूड़ी (pūṛī), पूरी (pūrī), ಪೂರಿ  (pūri), പൂരി (pūrī), ပူရီ (pūrī), पूरी (puri), ପୁରି (puri), ਪੂਰੀ (pūṛī), Garhwali: पूरी (pūrī),

Ingredients
Puris are prepared with wheat flour, either atta (whole wheat flour) or sooji (coarse wheat flour). In some recipes, ajwain, cumin seed, spinach, or fenugreek seeds are added to the dough. The dough is either rolled out in a small circle or rolled out and cut out in small circles, then deep fried in ghee or vegetable oil. While deep frying, puris puff up like a round ball because moisture in the dough changes into steam which expands in all directions. When they are golden-brown in color, they are removed and either served hot or saved for later use (as with the snack food pani puri). Rolled puris may be pricked with a fork before deep frying to make flat puris for chaat like bhel puri. A punctured puri does not puff when cooked because the steam escapes as it cooks.

Types and variants
A variant of puri is bhatoora, which is three times the size of a puri and served with chholey (spicy chickpeas). It often constitutes a full meal. (See chole bhature.) Bhatoora is made with yeast and puri is made from unleavened dough.

In the Indian state of Odisha a large-sized puri is made during Bali Yatra which is called thunka puri (ଠୁଙ୍କା ପୁରି).

Another variant, largely popular in the Northern Indian state of Uttar Pradesh is bedvi. It is a saltier and stiffer version of the regular puri, and is often stuffed with lentils.

Another variant of the puri popular in the eastern states of West Bengal and Odisha is the luchi. In Assam, it is pronounced as lusi. Luchis in Bengal are served with typical side dishes like aloor dum (potato preparation), begun bhaja (fried eggplant) and others

The puris used for panipuri are smaller, and are usually made crisper by the addition of rava/sooji (semolina) to the dough.

Sev puri is an Indian snack offered by street vendors who serve chaat.

Street vendors in Mumbai serve bhel in a throw-away folded leaf with a flat puri to scoop it.

Fast food chains in the Middle East use puri for fried chicken wraps.

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Winston Cenac

Winston Francis Cenac Q.C. (14 September 1925 – 22 September 2004) was a civil servant and politician from Saint Lucia. He was the third elected Prime Minister of independent Saint Lucia.

Life
In 1952 he obtained the bachelor of laws of London University as an external student. He was appointed the attorney general of Saint Lucia in 1964. He was also the attorney general of Saint Vincent in 1967 and attorney general of Grenada from 1967 to 1970. In 1971, Cenac acted as judge in Saint Kitts for six months.

He served as General Procurator for Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines and Grenada. In 1969 he gave up public service to become a lawyer. Elected representative when the Saint Lucia Labour Party gained power in 1979, Cenac became attorney general in the Allan Louisy administration. Cenac became Prime Minister upon Louisy's resignation on 4 May 1981. He also held the additional portfolio of Minister of Finance. He served for 8 months until he too was forced into resignation on 17 January 1982. he was replaced in his position by Michael Pilgrim.

He died on 22 September 2004 and is buried in Castries City Cemetery.

Family
His brother, Sir Neville Cenac, was also a prominent politician in Saint Lucia until his appointment as Governor-General in 2018.

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Arsene James

Arsene Vigil James (30 October 1944 – 29 July 2018) was a Saint Lucian politician and former Leader of the Opposition. He represented the Micoud South constituency for the United Workers' Party. James became Leader of the Parliamentary Opposition when UWP leader Morella Joseph did not win her seat, in the December 2001 elections.

He served as the Minister for Education and Culture under the government of Prime Minister John Compton from 2006 to 2011.

He died on July 29, 2018.

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Operation Acid Gambit

Operation Acid Gambit took place as an opening action of the United States invasion of Panama, on 20 December 1989. It was a U.S. Delta Force operation that retrieved Kurt Muse, an American expatriate living in Panama who had been arrested for leading a plot with other Panamanian to overthrow of the government of Panama, from the Cárcel Modelo, a notorious prison in Panama City.

Background
Muse had been arrested in 1989 for setting up covert anti-Noriega radio transmissions in Panama. The raid, conducted by 23 Delta Force operators and supported by the Night Stalkers, was delayed until the United States invaded Panama to arrest Noriega, in Operation Just Cause on 20 December 1989. Muse was later reported to be a CIA operative by The Washington Post.

The last contact Muse had with an American official before the raid was with an unidentified American colonel. It took place in the prison's public visiting areas. During the visit an American helicopter buzzed at a low altitude and high speed above the prison. When the sound subsided, the colonel addressed Muse loud enough for the entire room to hear. He stated that there was an order to kill Muse if the United States were to become involved in a conflict with Panama, which essentially meant Muse was not a prisoner but a hostage. The colonel threatened that if anyone harmed him, everyone in the prison would be killed.

The operation
Leading the operation were Lieutenant Colonel Eldon Bargewell and Major Gary L. Harrell. Delta operator David "Diamond Dave" Agtsteribbe was voluntarily taken prisoner and endured 15 days of torture, in order to make contact with Muse and prepare for the pending operation. The Delta operators were inserted onto the roof of the prison by MH-6 Little Bird helicopters. One operator was tasked to abseil down to the side of the building, hang outside Muse's cell window, and eliminate the guard charged with killing Muse if a rescue was mounted. However, the guard was not there.

After breaching the rooftop door, the Delta operators descended the two flights of stairs towards Muse's cell. A Delta operator killed the guard who was responsible for killing Muse in case of a rescue. Muse's lock on his cell door was shot twice; however, the lock did not break, and a small explosive was used to gain access to his cell. Delta operators gave Muse body armor, a ballistic helmet, and goggles and moved him to the roof, where they would be exfiltrated by MH-6 Little Birds back to the US base.

During extraction from the prison, the Hughes MH-6 Little Bird helicopter transporting Muse crashed. Delta Force operators Pat Savidge, Tom Caldwell, James Sudderth, and Kelly Venden were wounded in the crash. Everyone aboard the helicopter took cover in a nearby building. The Delta operators managed to signal one of the gunships flying over the area with an infrared strobe light. Shortly afterwards, an M113 armored personnel carrier from the 5th Infantry Division extracted Muse and the retrieval team. During the raid, Agtsteribbe was wounded and received a Purple Heart.

Legacy
Several years after the rescue, Muse collaborated with author John Gilstrap on a book about the incident, Six Minutes to Freedom.

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Morella Joseph

Dr. Morella Joseph is a politician in the Caribbean island nation of Saint Lucia and was reportedly the first woman in its history to become president of a political party. After the unexpected resignation of Vaughan Lewis, Joseph was elected to the position in October 2000 and became the leader of Saint Lucia's United Workers' Party. In the elections of the same year, Morella she ran for a seat in the Parliament of Saint Lucia but was defeated by the candidate of the Saint Lucia Labour Party.

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Boswell Williams

Boswell Bennie Williams (May 16, 1926 – July 20, 2014) was a Saint Lucian politician who represented the district of Vieux Fort in the legislature from 1974 to 1979.

He was appointed by Queen Elizabeth II of Saint Lucia as governor-general on June 19, 1980, replacing Sir Allen Montgomery Lewis, father of the former prime minister Vaughan Lewis. He was initially acting governor general, becoming governor general in December 1981. Williams had to confront the most serious constitutional crisis in the history of Saint Lucia soon after the rejection of Prime Minister Allan Louisy's budget proposal. He was removed from office by the Queen on the advice of Louisy with effect from December 12, 1982.

Williams died at his home in Sans Soucis on July 20, 2014, at the age of 88.

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Talk:The Brilliant Green

The title of this article does not start with a capital letter. According to the Wikipedia handbook, all English Wikipedia's articles must start with a capital letter with the exception of Apple Inc. Products. Veritasian (talk) 22:31, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

 * What is the point of then.. I hope I get a response even it has been 3 months (I didn't check this discussion as to reasons why).. --staka (T ・C) 00:10, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Genre
They are J-Pop/J-Rock. Its obvious ok!?! Whats with this "powerpop" rubbish? —Preceding unsigned comment added by SilverOrion (talk • contribs) 23:44, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Music Label
Why did someone remove the link that they're signed to Warner Music Japan and added Sony back on the page.

You can cleary see they're signed to Warner on their official site if their Facebook announcement wasn't enough:

http://www.thebrilliantgreen.jp/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Slushbunny (talk • contribs) 18:53, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Facebook is not a reliable source so that is why it was removed and that is why I removed it again. I also removed official website as a source. Secondary sources are preferred over primary sources and since TokyoGraph confirms this it is not needed. Also whether they are still signed to Sony or not it belongs in the infobox per the template, so do not remove it again.  MS   (Talk | Contributions)  23:16, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Celebrity niches

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was DELETE. jni 11:18, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Celebrity niches
Mostly finishing incomplete nomination, but inclined towards delete--seems awfully subjective, thus POV. I mean yeah, Terri Garr and Lisa Kudrow are often compared, but Dustin Hoffman and Zack Braff? And is "Charlie Chaplin --> Johnny Depp" accurate, or should it be "Charlie Chaplin --> Robert Downey Jr."? Niteowlneils 03:10, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Weak Delete - It does seem very subjective. I wouldn't even agree on the Chaplin -> Downey idea. Chaplin acted, wrote, directed, and scored films. The closest comparison I can think of there might be Woody Allen or Ruben Blades. I think might be better without the examples, but it's hard to understand the description without some examples. Maybe it could use one or two solid examples to give the idea. --Barista | a/k/a マイケル | T/C 03:22, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Good point. I think an argument could also be made for "Charlie Chaplin --> Paul Reubens"--also a writer, producer, composer, and director, in addition to acting, plus is better known for physical comedy, rather than Allen's more cerebral. Just more evidence of the slippery slope of the article's premise. Niteowlneils 04:48, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete as original research, neologism, or unencyclopedic, absent some showing that this is actually a valid and documented topic in pop culture studies. Postdlf 03:53, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per Postdlf. - Lucky 6.9 05:49, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete POV original research. JamesBurns 08:35, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete neologism, original research, subject so poorly defined and subjective as to be meaningless. Dcarrano 16:11, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per above royblumy 22:03, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as original research. Amusing theory but not encyclopedic. ~ WCFrancis 00:13, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Popcorn shrimp

Popcorn shrimp is the name of several small shrimp fritter dishes, so called because they are finger foods eaten like popcorn.

In 1974, the American restaurant chain Red Lobster introduced a menu item called "popcorn shrimp", a fritter of small shrimp meat, which they still offer.

Other restaurants were also serving menu items named "popcorn shrimp" as early as 1975.

In 1986, General Mills, the owner of Red Lobster at the time, applied to register the trademark "popcorn shrimp" with the United States Patent and Trademark Office, stating they had been using it since 1977. It took two years to be granted, but then General Mills cancelled it the following year.

Some sources suggest that popcorn shrimp originated as a Louisiana cuisine, and chef Paul Prudhomme made it famous. However, at least for the name, what Prudhomme invented was Cajun popcorn, which he put on the menu of the restaurant he worked, sometime later than 1975. Prudhomme published a recipe of Cajun popcorn in his cookbook in 1984. It is fritter of crayfish, made by dipping peeled crayfish tails in a batter of eggs, milk, corn flour, wheat flour, and spices, then deep-fryed, and served with sherry wine sauce. He added that shrimp can be used as a substitute for crayfish. Eventually, "popcorn shrimp" became associated with Prudhomme. Apart from names, neither Red Lobster's home page nor Prudhomme's book mention the origin of their dishes.

Today in the US, the words "popcorn shrimp" has no live trademark registration for foods, and over 20 companies sell packaged foods by that name.

Variations of popcorn shrimp span from heavily breaded styles, to light tempura-style.

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Frankie Crocker

Frankie "Hollywood" Crocker (December 18, 1937 – October 21, 2000) was an American disc jockey, VH-1 VJ, TV host and actor. Crocker helped grow WBLS, the urban adult contemporary and black music radio station, into the #1 station in New York City in the late 1970s.

Radio in Buffalo and New York City
According to popeducation.org, Crocker began his career in Buffalo at soul music powerhouse WUFO 1080 AM (also the home to future greats Gerry Bledsoe, Eddie O'Jay, Herb Hamlett, Gary Byrd and Chucky T). Crocker later moved to Manhattan, where he first worked for soul station 1600 WWRL and later Top 40 outlet 570 WMCA in 1969.

He then worked for 107.5 WBLS as program director and afternoon host. He took the station to the top of the ratings during the late 1970s and pioneered the radio format now known as urban contemporary. He sometimes called himself the Chief Rocker, and he was as well known for his boastful on-air patter as for his off-air flamboyance.

"Moody's Mood for Love"
When Studio 54 was at the height of its popularity, Crocker once rode in through the front entrance on a white stallion. In the studio, before he left for the day, Crocker would light a candle and invite female listeners to enjoy a candlelight bath with him. He signed off the air each night to the tune "Moody's Mood For Love" by crooner King Pleasure. Crocker coined the radio term "urban contemporary" in the 1970s, a label for the eclectic mix of songs that appealed to an urban audience of black listeners, Hispanics, whites and Asians.

He'd been the program director at WWRL and felt held back by what he considered to be the narrow perspective of the station. He quit and was twice re-hired by the station management. "He knew how to attract attention," said the chairman of Inner City Broadcasting, Hal Jackson. Inner City was the owner of WBLS and Jackson once said, "We called him Hollywood."

Radio programs
Crocker had set out on a revolutionary endeavor known as 'Hollywood Live', which marked the beginning of a groundbreaking live radio show. This trailblazing show not only harnessed the power of satellite technology but also introduced a novel element: 1-800 call-in numbers. This innovative feature enabled music enthusiasts to actively participate without paying toll rates to the phone company and engage in the show's content.

By 1979, Crocker was shuttling between the West Coast and East Coast, with programming duties at urban station 101.9 KUTE in Los Angeles. Later, Crocker helped usher in a format change at KUTE and WBLS, mixing disco music with other African-American and dance music genres. Crocker called it "Disco and More."

Crocker would rely on his expertise at "finding the music". Speaking to Radio Report magazine, an industry periodical, Crocker said, "There is nothing I won't play if I hear it and like it and feel it will go for my market".

WBLS helped break Blondie, Madonna, Shannon, D Train, The System, Colonel Abrams, Alicia Myers and supermodel Grace Jones as popular recording artists. He made, "Love is the Message" by MFSB as NYC's unofficial anthem on the radio. WBLS airplay made "Ain't No Stoppin Us Now" by McFadden and Whitehead a favorite cookout, church, wedding and graduation song. "The Magnificent Seven" by the Clash became a hot song in the Black Community.

Crocker brought Cameroon-native Manu Dibango's "Soul Makossa" to the attention of American audiences. He also gave America exposure to an obscure genre called "Reggae" and he helped make popular to American audiences a Jamaican rocker named Bob Marley. Fatback Band frontman Bill Curtis credited Crocker with breaking the group in New York.

Frankie Crocker was inducted into the Buffalo Broadcasting Hall of Fame in 2000 and the New York State Broadcasters Association Hall of Fame in 2005.

TV and film career
Crocker was one of the five original VJs on VH-1, the cable music video channel. He hosted the syndicated TV series Solid Gold. On NBC, he hosted the late-night music show Friday Night Videos. Crocker was the master of ceremonies (MC) at shows in the Apollo Theater in Harlem. The Apollo is considered the premiere theater for African-American music.

As an actor, Crocker appeared in five films, including Cleopatra Jones (1973), Five on the Black Hand Side (1973), and Darktown Strutters (Get Down and Boogie) (1975).

Payola Accusations
Crocker was indicted as a result of a 1976 payola investigation. Under the cloud of charges, the radio station fired him. Crocker moved to L.A. and returned to school, while the case was investigated. The charges were later dismissed.

After the payola charges were dropped, he returned to New York radio in 1979 as DJ and Program Director on WBLS-FM, at the end of the disco era. Crocker's career in radio ended by 1985. He moved to MTV Networks as a VJ on the VH-1 cable channel.

Relationships
He was charged in 1983 with hitting Penthouse Pet Carmela Pope. The charges were later dropped. He also was mentioned as a paramour of, and suspect in the February 12, 1977 murder of young Hollywood starlet Christa Helm.

Death
In October 2000, Crocker checked into a Miami-area hospital for several weeks. He was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. But he kept the illness a secret from his friends and even from his mother. He died on October 21, 2000. Crocker was 62.

His friend and former boss Bob Law, a onetime program director of WWRL, said of Crocker, "He encompassed all of the urban sophistication. He appreciated the culture, the whole urban experience, and he wove it together. That's missing now, even in black radio".

Discography as a leader of The Heart & Soul Orchestra

 * Presents The Disco Suite Symphony No. 1 In Rhythm And Excellence (1976)
 * Frankie Crocker & The Heart And Soul Orchestra (1977)

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Night Stalker

Night Stalker(s) or Nightstalker(s) may refer to:

Criminals

 * Richard Ramirez (1960–2013), serial killer whose murder spree in California in the mid-1980s led to him being known as the "Night Stalker"
 * Joseph James DeAngelo (known as the "Original Night Stalker"), serial killer and rapist who operated in Southern California from the late-1970s to mid-1980s
 * Delroy Easton Grant, a serial rapist who operated in London during the 1990s and 2000s, sometimes referred to by the British media as the "Night Stalker"

Film and television

 * The Night Stalker (1972 film), a 1972 made-for-television movie starring Darren McGavin
 * Kolchak: The Night Stalker, a 1974 television series based on the movie, starring Darren McGavin
 * Night Stalker (TV series), a 2005 remake of the original Kolchak series
 * The Night Stalker (1987 film), a 1987 horror film starring Charles Napier
 * Nightstalker (film), a 2002 horror film directed by Chris Fisher
 * Nightstalker, a 2009 horror film directed by Ulli Lommel
 * The Night Stalker (2016 film), a 2016 psychological thriller directed by Megan Griffiths and starring Lou Diamond Phillips
 * Night Stalker: The Hunt For a Serial Killer, a 2021 Netflix documentary miniseries

Literature

 * Meg: Nightstalkers, a 2016 science fiction horror novel by Steve Alten
 * Nightstalkers (comics), a horror fiction comic book
 * The Night Stalker, a book by James Swain
 * The Night Stalkers, a book by Michael Durant and Steven Hartov about the U.S. Army's 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment

Music

 * Nightstalker (band), a Greek stoner rock band
 * "Nightstalker", song from the 1993 album Sinister Slaughter by extreme metal band Macabre
 * Sleepwalker (The Kinks song), a song whose course repeats the phrase "night stalker."
 * Night Stalkers (song), a 2022 song by Megadeth

Other media

 * Night Stalker (video game), a 1982 video game for the Intellivision
 * Bryan Clark (born 1964), professional wrestler known as The Nightstalker
 * Nightstalker, an alternative character class in Dungeons and Dragons
 * A species of predatory flightless bat in the book After Man by Dougal Dixon

Other uses

 * 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment (Airborne), a United States Army unit nicknamed the "Night Stalkers"

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Giacomo De Martino

Baron Giacomo de Martino (7 September 1868 – 25 June 1957) was an Italian diplomat and politician. He was the Envoy of Italy to the United States during the regime of Benito Mussolini.

Biography
Born in Bern, Switzerland to the nobleman Renato de Martino (brother of Giacomo, governor of the colonies) and the Swiss Elisabetta de Wirsen, Giacomo de Martino completed his early studies in the Swiss Confederation before moving to Italy, to Florence, where he graduated in social sciences at the Istituto Cesare Alfieri.

Having embarked on a diplomatic career, de Martino became Head of Cabinet at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs at a very young age (October 1911-January 1913) and then Secretary General (from 1913 to 1919), although technically he held the rank of Minister Plenipotentiary 1st Class. He was also Secretary General of the Italian delegation to the Paris Peace Conference in 1919.

Promoted ambassador, he was posted to Berlin (1919-20), London (1920-22), Tokyo (1922-25) and Washington (1925-32).

On January 23, 1927, De Martino traveled to Chicago, and spent several days touring the city addressing the Italian community and explaining Fascism.

While still in his diplomatic career, de Martino was appointed Senator of the Kingdom of Italy in 1928 and remained in Senate until 1944, when he was declared disqualified along with the other senators considered co-responsible for Fascism. His disqualification was revoked in 1946 but, as the monarchy had ceased to exist, this act was formally ineffective.

With the advent of the Republic, de Martino retired from public life and died in Rome, Italy on 25 June 1957.

Honors
Grand cordon of the Order of Saints Maurice and Lazarus

Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the Crown of Italy

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Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Glowing tobacco plant

Glowing tobacco plant
An image of a tobacco plant which has been genetically engineered to express a gene taken from fireflies

Interesting photo of a tobacco plant genetically engineered to glow. Adds significantly to Genetic engineering and Bioluminescence, and pulls in readers wondering what's going on in the picture.

 * Nominate and support. - brian0918  ™  [[Image:MontyPythonFootLeftSmall.jpg|Ni!|20px]] 03:14, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Interesting picture, resolution may be an issue. Phoenix2 16:48, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * Support Phoenix2 22:23, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * I like it. --ZeWrestler 17:00, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

+10 / -0, but following good work to clarify the licence, it looks like this image may not be PD, but rather copyrighted with permission to use on Wikipedia - a Copyrighted tag makes it ineligible for WP:FP. -- Solipsist 07:50, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * It's good. I'll support it provided licence information can be confirmed. Lupin 13:01, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * This is the classic photo by David Ow of a transgenic plant expressing firefly luciferase. This photo is in quite a few text books. For example, Biology of Plants by Raven, Evert and Eichhorn, 6th Edition (Freeman/Worth) page 699.  Are there copyright issues?? David D. 23:18, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * i just read the file history and this photo is supposedly in the public domain. What is strange is that all the authors were at the University of CA when the work was done.  The USDA did fund some of the work with along with NSF.  Is it the funding source that makes it public domain?  David D. 23:26, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I put PD because I was under the impression that the Ow group at UofCA was part of the "Plant Gene Expression Center" which is part of the U.S. Department of Agriculture's "Agricultural Research Service" . But now I don't know maybe he wasn't part of that group back then? Maybe I should email Dr. Ow.--Deglr6328 02:49, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * He was a post doc in San Diego when the paper was written. Now he does work at the PGEC in Albany. In your favor, I have seen the picture in at least a couple of text books.  May that imply it is public domain?  My guess would be to contact Science magazine since they were the original publishers.  Usually the publisher holds the photo rights and you have to get their permission to release the picture.  David D. 12:36, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't particularly trust whoever I may happen to contact at Science magazine to not simply claim copyright on it when they themselves may be unsure. Waiting on reply from Dr. Ow. What does your book say in the attributions section?--Deglr6328 19:22, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * The Biology of Plants book credits Keith Wood, University of California, San Diego. David D. 20:00, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Geez he was a tough one to track down. He now apparently works at Promega making luminescent cellular assays . Looks like there is no contact information out there though. Found it: kwood@promega.com --Deglr6328 22:22, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Ha beat me by two minutes :-)  Good luck with getting permission. David D. 22:30, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * i found this info for Keith Wood. It looks current. David D. 22:28, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * For the reply from Dr. Ow see the image talk page--Deglr6328 07:14, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Support Enochlau 11:03, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Support --ZeWrestler 11:47, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Support Titllating pic. Circeus 12:31, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * Support assuming PD status is valid. But I can't see any explanation of why the plant was made to glow. People tend to misinterpret this as 'Franken-food', whereas I vaguely recall the real reason was that the luciferase gene was just being used as a marker to clearly demonstrate that a transgenes were present in all cells in the plant. -- Solipsist 12:31, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Solipsist you are correct above. Did you see the description of the picture? It seems quite clear. An image of a tobacco plant which has been genetically engineered to express a gene taken from fireflys (specifically: Photinus pyralis) which produces luciferase. The image is an "autoluminograph" produced by placing the plant directly on a piece of Kodak Ektachrome 200 film. When the plant is watered with a luciferin containing nutrient medium, tissue specific luminescence is observed.
 * Yes, but it doesn't really say why you would want to do that. Who needs glow in the dark tobacco plants? And as I say, I think the answer is 'no one', except that a visible marker in each cell was a useful way of checking that the genetic manipulation had worked in this early experiment. -- Solipsist 00:25, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * The genetic manipulation was known to have worked because there was a second gene that gave the plant resistance to the antibiotic kanamycin. So, the luciferase was not required for that purpose.  When the experiment was first performed the goal was to develop a visible marker for gene expression. One use is to take the regulatory regions of a gene of interest to drive the luciferase gene.  This allows scientists to address from a spatial and temporal perspective when that gene of interest is expressed. The best example of this was to track the expression of circadian genes (express on and off in a 24hr period). You can literally watch the plant glow go on and off with the changes in gene expression. So, in summary, it was not done just for fun but developed as a tool for scientific research,  this is highlighted by the fact that Keith Wood is still working at promega to develop tools utilising luciferase.  May be, if it is helpful, some of this background can be incorportated into the photo's description?  David D. 00:44, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Support. Very educational and fascinating. Image page provides a lot of information. — Stevey7788 (talk) 21:02, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Support great example of genetics, and very "eye grabbing" Uber nemo
 * Support. Pretty cool. --ScottyBoy900Q ∞ 20:52, 27 July 2005 (UTC)


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Mario Michel

Mario F. Michel (born 1960) is a Saint Lucian lawyer and politician and since 2009 has been a judge of the Eastern Caribbean Supreme Court.

Michel studied Economics and History at the University of the West Indies in Cave Hill, Barbados. He then went on to study at the Hugh Wooding Law School in Trinidad and Tobago from 1988 to 1990. In 1990 he started his own legal practice,  Michel & Company , which he pursued until being elected to Parliament in 1997, representing the district of Gros Islet.

Michel is a former president of the National Youth Council and an avid bridge player who has represented the island at many tournaments. From 1997 he was part of the Prime Minister Kenny Anthony's cabinet, serving as Minister of Education, Human Resource Development, Youth and Sports and the position of Deputy Prime Minister. He presided over the establishment of Universal Secondary Education and cut a figure of principle and was sometimes construed as obdurate. His tenure was also characterised by confrontations with Saint Lucia Teachers Union some of which ended in short industrial actions.

After the executive of the Saint Lucia Labour Party voted to remove their term limit clause and effectively allow current leader, Dr Kenny Anthony to take the party into the 2006 elections he announced his intention not to partake in the General Elections of 2006. He returned to his private legal practice. There has been talk about the return of Michel to the helm of the party. He has hinted this in a recent television interview where he said coyly that he was getting many requests from people to return to politics but he was still weighing up his options.

In 2009, Michel was appointed a High Court Judge of the Eastern Caribbean Supreme Court; he was assigned to reside in and hear cases from Antigua and Barbuda. In 2012, he became an Appeals Court Judge for the same court, with jurisdiction over all states of the Eastern Caribbean Supreme Court.

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Summary
Book cover for A Crown of Swords by Robert Jordan.

Rationale of fair use for A Crown of Swords

 * 1) No free or public domain images have been located for this novel.
 * 2) The image is of lower resolution than the original cover.
 * 3) The image does not limit the copyright owners' rights to distribute the novel in any way.
 * 4) For an article about a novel, the cover artwork is often a crucial source of critical commentary about the novel, and as such the artwork adds significantly to the article.
 * 5) This image is used on various websites, so its use on Wikipedia does not make it significantly more accessible than it already is.
 * 6) The cover is being used for informational purposes only.

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Talk:Morgan Freeman

Known for his distinctive voice
This is stated in the lead twice. 2601:642:4600:D3B0:5C55:A2AA:7A05:A5F9 (talk) 04:52, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thank you, -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 16:44, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 March 2024
He is also the voice of “The Lord” on The Kelly Clarkson Show 24.29.83.47 (talk) 12:21, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Liu1126 (talk) 19:22, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 March 2024
Morgan Freeman also narrated 21 Savages' 'Save Mode II' in 2020 and Metro Boomin's 'Heroes and Villains' in 2022. HugodeN (talk) 18:23, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Military service
Freeman served four years in the air force. His military service is worth three sentences in the article. As he is not known for his military service, then why does he have an infobox about his military service? That looks at least like giving it undue weight. The Banner talk 23:48, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

 * I say keep it. Many prople have a military service part to an infobox, even if its small. See also,Hunter Biden, Ralph Abraham (politician), and Mark Amodei. LuxembourgLover (talk) 19:14, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a real argument. Is there any policy? The Banner  talk 23:18, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * We have the Manual of Style. MOS:INFOBOX:An infobox is a panel ... that summarizes key facts about the page's subject. MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE: to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article. ... The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance. NebY (talk) 20:52, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

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