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Re: Shield of the Trinity
Hello! I am a "fan" of the Shield and, as a pastor, have used in in many Bible studies and similar meetings. It is an excellent tool, and I hope you didn't interpret my edit as intending any disrespect (not intended) or tak any personal offense (also not offended). I look(ed) at the Shield as more of a symbol than a theological point, such as Justification, Incarnation, Resurrection, etc.

Upon further reflection, it seems to me that many, or at least some theological points are highly related to symbol (Genesis and Revelation are both FILLED with it really), and so I would have no problem if you were to restore the deleted category. I still think a category such as "Christian symbols" is most appropriate, but I will defer to your decision.

Thanks for your time! KHM03 22:21, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

I would hope that all Christian categories eventually relate to the "Christianity" category, but you never know. I'm not sure about more than that! KHM03 11:20, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Arabic
Hey what's with the Trinity fetish?

I just wanted to ask how you put Arabic script on the Mahdi page. I've seen it used around Wiki pages but I'm not sure how to add it. Do you speak Arabic? Cuñado  -  Talk  15:19, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * oops, I meant 99 names of God page, not Mahdi page. Cuñado  [[image:Bahaitemplatestar.png|20px]] -  Talk

Jerry Lewis
I'm fairly aware of all the myths surrounding Jerry Lewis' alleged high popularity in France, common in the US. I reverted your sentence because I thought that the topic deserved a better explanation that a citation of a Weird Al Yankovic song... and I finally forgot to rewrite this part. Sorry about that. Reinserted something. David.Monniaux 16:01, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Bismillah
Thanks for the note about "blundering into [my] areas of ignorance". I'll try not to bear it in mind next time a new editor's cut-and-paste move mistake crops up on my watchlist. –Hajor 15:39, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Dear sir,
 * I see that you have been on WP for some time, which may have prompted your annoyance over the "move" I made. May I point out to you a WP guideline: Assume good faith? Now, refer me to the Arabic sources that proclaim basmala to be a better version or the name of Bismillah. I am a born Muslim with the obligatory knowledge of Quran, and this is the first time I have heard the word basmala referring to Bismillah. However, if basmala is kept being preferred over Bismillah here on WP, it isn't really going to erase Muslim memories which are very familiar with this line. Re: my name. While, it's none of your business, it raises academic curiosity off and on. (*Deep breath.* Your message is worthwhile, though the tone is not.) I thought you were an authority on Arabic and on Islam and would see the connection? My name is Arabic, Muslim, and it means a woman who can make a prophecy/ see into the future. With so much interest in me and my edits, did you not see my user page?

 * I didn't attack the de: and it: sections because I am not an omnipotent Wikipedian - and contrary to your harsh allegation, I do keep myself away from languages I have no knowledge of.

 * If you want to teach me the ways of Wikipedia, please be kind next time. I will listen. Here is something that I would expect of you: Don't bite the newcomers. P.S. I am a newcomer here, but neither to the world of wiki, nor Islam. Having said all this, I have no grudge, and I leave the article alone until we each can have a meaningful dialog. TheProphetess 17:10, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Thank you for writing back, it saved me some real heartache. I did make a mistake by playing around with the page without talking about it first. It's a newbie mistake, for which I was sorry when –Hajor pointed out. I was alarmed by what I maintain is a much less popular term for Bismillah, if it is indeed the name of Bismillah at all. I have read Arabic for over 25 years. NEVER did I hear basmala was a variant of Bismillah, let alone its name. I am a Muslim, and if basmala were valid, I would be the first one to defend it. Anyway, the rudimentary Arabic explanation that I left on the talk page is valid, I may not have written it well. My mother language is Urdu, which is written and read like Arabic, and is derived from Persian and Arabic, among other languages. When we start learning how to read Arabic, this is how we begin. It was for the benefit of anyone (and I cannot account for the vast variety of language exp level of the readers/ editors) who may wonder about the variants.

 * Here's something that might give us a clue. From Hajor's talk page:

 * QUOTE: Sigh. I have a feeling it is going to stretch on. Bismillah is the name of Bismillah. AnonMoos got very upset at my explanation of how Arabic is written - perhaps because he's the native speaker of a language different from my native language - and we each approached studying Arabic differently. However, I am the Muslim here, and if I were searching for "Bismillah," <<this is the spelling I'd use. Proven earlier by the Google test. I still give benefit of doubt to AnonMoos, because Bismillah when written in Arabic is a component of 3 words: ba, ism, Allah. By, (the) name, (of) Allah. Together it is read as Bis-mil-lah. Bismillah. UNQUOTE. Whew. Tonight's one of our holy nights, and I am off to pray. Thanks for writing back. I did feel that you perhaps thought I was a vandal messing up with the page... I hope now it's clear. :)

 * P.S. Indeed I must thank you for the concern about the word/name prophetess. It is admittedly scandalous. The word "Prophet" refers to (according to Islam, etc. of course) the Prophets of Allah. The word prophet in general is about someone who can make a prophecy - such as in the phrase prophet of doom. Likewise Messenger of Allah is different from, e.g. the messenger who arrived with a letter for you this afternoon. You know this, of course, I just wanted to give you the context. Anyway, I'll look into your suggestion, it crossed my own mind earlier. Hmmm, I had more to say but WP says talkpages aren't for usenet style chatting. I am available on e-mail if you wish. See my user page. Regards. TheProphetess 18:21, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Salafi
AnonMoos, the sections you restored weren't just deleted -- they were extensively rewritten and re-organized into the one section on current trends in Salafism. It really really messes up the article to have one treatment of these matters above, and another, more disorganized and Salafi-POV, treatment below. I'd like you to reconsider the addition of the old sections. Zora 21:40, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

QWERTY.png
Hi, I've listed the cleaned-up keyboard image Image:QWERTY.png, uploaded by you, for deletion because I've redrawn it (Image:Qwerty.svg). Hope this is OK. Mysid (talk ) 13:13, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay. By smaller viewbox, do you mean smaller white borders? Mysid (talk ) 06:03, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Image:Acceso a la independencia.png
Sorry! I've already uploaded the corrected version of the map. If you see another mistake, please let me know. Thanks for your advice! es:Usuario:Mortadelo2005

I don't appreciate insults
but I really don't appreciate attempts to pervert history and facts. The article doesn't mention that the Israeli occupation kills civilians, and it doesn't mention that the Palestinian armed resistance has also involved - but by no means exclusively - attacks on civilians. Both facts are reasonably well-known. The changes you wish to make would imply that all Palestinian "non-non-violent" resistance was either terrorism or suicide bombings. Not true, and see also Words to avoid. Palmiro | Talk 21:12, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't care what was there first. I'm perfectly happy to acknowledge that I replaced POV and inaccurate material with factually accurate and NPOV material. I am not denying and don't seek to deny that violent resistance by Palestinians has included attacks on civilians, and personally I deplore such attacks (that of course is my POV). Neither do I deny that the Israeli occupation has also involved (many more) attacks on civilians (which I also deplore). In the interests of balance, if we insist on specifically mentioning that aspect of the violence (which is not what the article is about), we should mention it in relation to both parties. However, if you wish to take out the reference to armed Palestinian resistance altogether, I will not make a fight about it, although I would think it better that it remained. Palmiro | Talk 17:06, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
 * OK, you say you would like the discussion to proceed on a reasonably civil basis, while at the same time accusing me of making my edit "from what I can tell, with a very specific and deliberate intention of whitewashing over brutal atrocities and crimes with a weaselling equivocating euphemism". How on earth can you justify attributing such a motivation to me? In order to help establish a civil tone, I'll explain my motivation in detail.

 * My main concern was accuracy and fairness. The previous version read in part "...Arab resistance often carries connotations of terrorist attacks and of suicide bombers in particular...". Well, the suicide bombs are a relatively recent phenomenon, and both armed attacks on military targets and non-violent actions were going on long before them. Furthermore, Palestinian resistance to many people carries connotations of teenagers throwing stones at heavily armed soldiers, of what many people see as heroic defiance against overwhelming force. So these connotations may appear to some people, but definitely not to all. "Armed action" seemed like a neutral term that would cover all Palestinian violent resistance (I suppose except stone-throwing) without going into details that are extraneous to the subject under discussion. Particularly, why accuse the Palestinians of terrorism when the Israeli armed forces have killed far more civilians? Incidentally, I think this principle of not delving into non-related matters should also be extended to the section on South Africa.

 * Your later edit read, in part, "has involved non-violent resistance as well as terrorist attacks and suicide bombings." Again, that implies that Palestinian armed resistance was all terrorism, when quite a lot of it has been armed attacks on military targets.

 * I hope that this helps clarify both my intentions and my edits, and I would like you to reconsider your claim that I had "a very specific and deliberate intention of whitewashing over brutal atrocities and crimes". Palmiro | Talk 18:31, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

let's keep the present section heading as adequate for this too. See Germanic_Neopaganism: This is me doing your work. dab (ᛏ) 13:26, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, apparently I was wrong in thinking that you wanted a civil discussion. Or else you have a very different conception of "civil" from me. At this stage, I'd be very happy never to have any exchanges with you again.

 * As for "condescending", well, how about "some Palestinians have felt the need to take up acts of non-violent resistance to improve the international Palestinian image"? Utter condescending nonsense. I know Palestinians who are engaged in non-violent resistance and "improving their international image" isn't what they are motivated by. Not to mention "armchair romantic radicals from a distance like yourself". How do you know anything about me that gives you a right to make such assumptions?

 * As far as I'm concerned, this conversation is at an end. Palmiro | Talk 14:38, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Since you ask, I was going to suggest just that formulation at a much earlier stage but was put off by your obnoxious tone and wild personal attacks.Palmiro | Talk 16:13, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Please take a look
Please look at israeli arabs and see what palmiri is doing there. Thanks. Zeq 20:24, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Category:Spiritual and religious images
I understand that you have a big thing for "spirituality" (even though this word unfortunately doesn't convey much of anything in particular to large numbers of people) -- however, the whole point of creating a cross-link to Wikimedia Commons (which I was the first to do for this category) is to provide a practical pointer to locations where further images of interest may be found. Unfortunately Commons:Category:Spirituality doesn't meet this criterion because it's almost completely empty. Furthermore, it really doesn't suit you to try to jump on a high horse of "anti-deletionism", considering that you previously deleted the link to Commons:Category:Religious symbols -- which is as highly useful as Commons:Category:Spirituality is highly useless... - AnonMoos 02:31, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

If you truly are interested in developing the category of spiritual and religious images, then your selection of one in fifty religion subcategories at the commons - religious symbols - makes no sense either. That's why I replaced it with the beliefs category. If your criterion is current size of a category, then this is a superior choice. In addition, it goes well beyond a small sample from a few religious traditions, which is the case with the religious symbolism category. I'm more than willing to go with the larger religion category and the beliefs category. Zeroing in on the symbolism subcategory alone is too narrow. — RichardRDFtalk 03:29, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up about large PNGs
I was wondering what was going on. I've uploaded a jpg version and asked for the original to be speedy deleted. Maybe something should about it should be put on the image upload page?

Thanks Megapixie 05:02, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Idiotarian
Hi - I'm just trying to figure out what the NPOV dispute is there. Would you mind replying at Talk:Idiotarian? I will leave a message for Dragula also. Thanks, Kaisershatner 22:04, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Triple Spiral
Explan: If you record the point that the sun strikes at midday every day you see that it progresses in an expanding circle - i.e. a spiral. The spiral then reverses after three months and inverts so you get four spirals over a twelve month period ergo value of three monthes hence my gestation point. Sorry about the bad spelling of 'months' Pydos 08:52, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

 * See reply at Talk:Triple spiral, AnonMoos 15:52, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Image:Flower-of-Life-small.png
Hi AnonMoos, thanks for letting me know about this image obsoleting one I'd uploaded. Regards, Proto t c 15:09, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

sydney riots/gang rapes
Read the discussion on the talk page first! Talk:2005_Sydney_race_riots The consensus is against you at present. DaveSymonds 12:43, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Southern Syria
Perhaps you can take your info about Southern Syria and Bilad al Sham to the Levant article or the Names of the Levant instead of continuing to revert. Yuber(talk) 18:14, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Speedy merge?
Hi. This is re: your comments for Categories for deletion/Log/2005 December 26. I would've done a speedy rename except the target category already exists. Is there such a thing as a speedy merge? wknight94 15:50, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Land of Israel
If you have time, could you comment on my suggestion here ?--Sjsilverman 17:19, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

K Street Project
"Coziness" doesn't really come across as an NPOV term. Could you please add who is doing the accusing? - Mgm|(talk) 10:55, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: Shield of the Trinity (bis)
I'm curious about the creation of these images. What software did you use? I do similar things, but with a very Goldbergesque collection of tools. Oh, and I appreciate your comments my Kabbalah question. Odd that such an apparently committed Christian should know about the Rose Cross Lamen.--◀Pucktalk▶ 21:04, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

You wrote: ''I often do hand-written PostScript code. On some Wikipedia image pages I include the PostScript source, such as at Image:St-Faith-Arms.png. PostScript can be converted to PDF, and rendered to a raster image in a number of ways.''

 * Thanks for the pointer. I had no idea PostScript was editable as plain text.  I've had experience writing DXF files by hand and generating graphics with routines in Basic and C so this looks like a promising tool.  What is a good general purpose application for importing and exporting PostScript?  I have CadStd Lite.  It will export PostScript, but not import it.

You also said: due to the nature of Hebrew orthography and morphological structure (see Triconsonantal root), a significant percentage of sequences of three random Hebrew letters will be meaningful Hebrew words.

 * Thanks for that, too. It explains a lot.  And here I was thinking it was because God speaks Hebrew. ;-)--◀Pucktalk▶ 14:41, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

On a whim I just went looking for Gimp for a Windows platform. I found it and it seems it may do the trick.--◀Pucktalk▶ 15:31, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Muhajir Page
I have reorganized the Muhajir page to be general page for all Muhajir (It is a Arabic, Persian, Turkish and Urdu word meaning Refugee) groups. This page also has links to different Muhajir groups. I would really appreciate if you would discuss this issue before reverting my changes. I have already explained the reason on the Muhajir discussion page. --User:Siddiqui 17:36, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Gallery
You have a lot of extremely large images on your userpage. Why not format them with gallery-tags? - Mgm|(talk) 12:14, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

New count for hacker test on google
160 unique hits for "Herewith a compendium of fact and folklore about computer hackerdom". Timothy Clemans 01:08, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Maria Theresia
Hello! In my oppinion the right form is with "i" - "Maria Theresia" - because of the latin tradition of the Holy Roman Empire. I think that the name "Theresa" is too vernacular for an Empress, even in English. --Mihai Andrei 13:39, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

194.131.255.12 13:32, 6 February 2006 (UTC) Just to let you know there's now a page for John of Wallingford

Thanks for adding the farsi letters to Mahtab
Now if only I can learn how you did that.... Madangry 01:07, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

unsigned comment by User:DieWeibeRose
Sorry about that. --DieWeibeRose 13:29, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

129. or TPW
AnonMoos

Why did you edit my redirect page? The fact of the matteris that I started with 129. Then as you are pointing I chose to use letters instead of numbers and I chose TPW. Your help would be appreciated in showing me how to sign with TPW when I edit a page instead of 129. By the way an IP address is a lot longer and your name AnonMoos is very anonym to me. 129. 14:27, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Peace on those who like it. Thank you for the tip, although your tone does not seem to be friendly. Unfortunately your tip did not work. It does let me sign in even with TPW even if I am on a totally different computer. It thinks that there is another user called TPW. Emailing the password for TPW does not work either. I am trying now the preferences thing. As to you can keep your pornography you can "proudly" keep it on your user page even if I agree with you on this. At the same time I feel terrorist is a big word that will certainly include anybody who bomb innocent civilians. Surely someone killing himself in the way is better than the one cozily sitting in a fighter jet and destroying houses and killing innocent civilians because of the mere thought that maybe somebody is wanted there. While the first is using all what he got, the second could have made a better choice. Both of them surely do not know what peace is and who is The Peace. At the end I follow the example of Jesus and Mary as best described in the Qur'an. “Peace be upon those who are guided” is my motto. The Peace WorshipperTalk 02:13, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

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Shams
Please tell me in what language "Shams" means "Inhabitant of Greater Syria". Because it sure doesn't seem to mean that in either Arabic or English, according to the sources I have available... AnonMoos 21:38, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm sorry about the mistake. I tried to understand why Shams redirects to the article in the first place, as it looks like a wrong redirect. In order to disambiguate, I had to either create another page (which is what I did because I wasn't sure enough that it was a wrong redirect), or remove the redirect altogether. Thanks for fixing the mess I created. - Eagletalk 00:26, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Some people need a map to find Jesus
I saw your map Image:Early-Historical-Israel-Dan-Beersheba-Judea.png, and I was wondering if you has a similar map of first-century Iudea, Samaria, Perea and Galilee? Grigory Deepdelver AKA Arch O. LaTalk TCF 23:04, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Lindisfarne Gospels
The image I removed is not relevant because it is not an image of the Lindisfarne Gospels, it is modern work inspired by the Lindisfarne Gospels, of which there are thousands. (Every artist interested in Celtic Knotwork has created similar images.) This particular image does nothing to help understand the subject and could lead to serious misunderstanding. For example, that shade of green is not found in the mnauscript. Likewise, the shading found in the image (getting darker at the points and as the strands pass under other strands) is not typical of Insular art and is misleading. I have removed the image from Lindisfarne Gospels and Migration Period art for these reason. I have left it in Celtic Art because it is a fine example of modern work inspired by Insular art. Dsmdgold 14:04, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

symbols category
well, maybe "Neopagan symbols". "Pagan" is too wide, it could include all African, Asian, Polynesian etc. native traditions. I'm not entirely sure about even the "Neopagan" category (too eclectic). Maybe just categorize as "Neopaganism" and "Symbol" case by case. Just my thoughts, though. dab (ᛏ) 20:16, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * well, we are really stuck with the fact that "Paganism" is an umbrella term coined from the Christian pov. Even self-describing pagans succumb to that by often defining themselves in contradistinction to Christianity. Terms like "Forn Sidhr" are an attempt to overcome this, seeking a self-centered tradition without the need of an external "enemy" in order to define itself. I presume you are intending to group Germanic pagan symbols. How about a specific "Germanic symbols" or "Germanic pagan symbols" category then? Still, as you predicted, this will open disputes about whether a given symbol is "genuinely Germanic". I would, for example, object to the categorization of the "Fylfot" or the "Sunwheel" (not to mention the "Black Sun") as such. It may be better to just settle with a "Neopagan symbols" category. I do not intend to police categories too strictly, so I am not likely to interfere with you too much here, just make sure that if the category name implies use of the symbol in antiquity that you include only symbols for which a case for ancient use can be made. dab (ᛏ) 17:32, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

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Salafi revised, please check it out
Avoiding some RL work, I sat down and rewrote the Salafi article. It lacks references and now that it's organized to some extent by country, could use more info. Please check and correct what needs correcting. Zora 01:03, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Kana
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Islamikaze up for deletion
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Moved from Talk:British Isles (terminology)
Someone asked this regarding the British_Isles_Venn_Diagram.png. I checked out the image history, and it seems that you were the one who added the ellipse around england and wales. Maybe consider at least responding on the talk page to the query. Cheers, 82.82.184.34 16:17, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Some kind of explanation as to why England and Wales appear as they do in the venn diagram might be appropriate. I presume this relates to Wales being part of the Kingdom of England when it unified with the Kingdom of Scotland in 1707 to form Great Britain?  194.203.110.127 15:59, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Yes. I changed the circle back to an ellipse, and moved some captions around a little, so the new version of the image should be clearer now.  AnonMoos 06:56, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

The Arms of Sir Robert Bell
Bro, Re: Image. The Achievement of the paticular Arms is somwhat unique, in that it has two Bennu's =Christ! Re: Image. Thank you for the help, however, the image was distorted after you modified it. I restored the image of the Arms (legacy), and I am deciding on the tag. Thanks again. P.S. Nice art work! Holy Trinity t/ c  28 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the insight Re: browsers etc. Id rather be your friend than your fo! cause you seem to know a fair amount re: programing. The Bennu Bird or Phoenix, is an early Christian symbol, representing Fire (Holy Spirit) and Divinity. They are seeking the Light! Anyway, thank you for the help. t/ c  31 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for making a good change at my User Page. --- Faisal 18:41, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Shield
I just printed out the shield and will show it to a man at church tomorrow. Thanks. -  Cestus     Cd   16:58, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Crescent
Thanks for adding back that clause I deleted. I think I misread it when I removed it. --Doradus 20:07, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Smartquotes/Directed quotes
I thought you might have something to add to this on the administrators noticeboard. Tyrenius 23:29, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Regarding
Ancient Chinese Languages Writingwise== ==

Some people say the above stated languages are dialects, but it is true that language is CAN ONLY be officalized via Mutual Unintelligebility. So I was just asking the question, because these modern languages can understand each other in writing; That means that the syntax of the languages are the same, but I/we can't determine if they are different languages, if I/we don't know if the Syntax of the OLd languages were mutually intelligebable. Now, the reason I did not say just '....other SYNTACTAICALLY....' but '....other in writing SYNTACTICALLY....' is because you can't understand the langages phonologically, anyways, so it I just put the '....in writing....' to clarify, but if it didn't help, then I guess that was too bad, we're all sorry, & I'm sorry for everything:'(

Please, iooiioioo@hotmail.com, thanks.

But thanks for the reply:-D

24.70.95.203 06:02, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Reference
I don't think Lisa Simpson needs a foot note. Just change the text so it reads something like "and some German verbs (as shown in Episode Title)". -- Steven Fisher 17:15, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

R-H-M
Yes... Zora and I have gotten very frustrated in the past when we had to clean up literally dozens of stubs... (and just like this article they used primary sources which weren't very encyclopedic and on topic.)  It's just that no one types in RHM to find the basmala... and RHM root is not for all of the words of the basmala... I have no problem deleting it... just, there is no reason it should be a redirect. I know that AfD is probably frustrating... (personally, I don't care about this kind of stub because it doesn't create any real bias... unlike creating articles about Shia view of X) But... if it is violating an agreement maybe it can be deleted more easily? I'm not sure. The article needs to have a source about the root RHM specifically... instead of describing issues not directly related. I do agree with you... I just don't think it should be a redirect. If you want to change it back then I guess you can... but, it should be deleted unless it really discusses R-H-M. Although, it could easily fail on AfD because of eventualism. gren グレン 19:10, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Tahrirolvasyleh
Weasel words?

Here is Wikipedia's definition:

"Weasel words are almost always intended to deceive or draw attention from something the speaker doesn't want emphasized, rather than being the inadvertent result of the speaker's or writer's poor but honest attempt at description."

A link that says the viewer can see text from the book by clicking on it, when it really just shows some text which is not necessarily from such a book, seems to be a good example of that.

--Johan77 17:59, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Sign for highways
Hello AnonMoos, you have altered the seize of signs of highways, e.g. , so that all the pages linked to this symbol on the german wikipedia are damaged ( I don't know, how it's the situation with the other languages). You can it on de:Wiener Außenringautobahn. Please reverte it or load your signs under an other filename. regards K@rl 08:22, 13 July 2006 (UTC) (pleas answer me here :de:Benutzer Diskussion:Karl Gruber|Karl Gruber)

Háček
There's yet another vote at talk:caron. +Hexagon1 (t) 04:16, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

"Gorean Book compendium" mini-stubs
I can understand a correction and brief instruction or hints on how to complete it, but not the casual erasure and harsh "you got it wrong, do it like this" attitude that you have.

This is at total discord with the Wikipedian / community approach that I'd come to think Wikipedia stood for. Frankly, I'm now wondering why I should bother to extend it, rather than being excited (as I was) at the thought of participating.

Frankly, your attitude to newbies is more than likely turning every person away from Wikipedia that you "correct" in such a harsh manner - in short: hindering more than you help.

If you 'correct' 10 articles each week, but turn those same 10 people away from contributing - you're simply preventing growth, rather than aiding proper growth by helping newbs.

I'm annoyed, and frankly very angry at such treatment - I appreciate you "help", but NOT your attitude.

I'm happy to be corrected - but not smacked down like a little child.

Tiberiusgrant 13:08, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

YHWH
Anonmoos, The talk page of YHWH should most likely have alot of its content archived. And I don't know how to do that (and since I'm at work most of the time, I haven't a moment to find out). If you have time -- and since you are on the page often -- do you think you could do that? If you don't do it, I'll TRY to do it this weekend... Rivka 21:25, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Londonistan
Please explain your reversion on the discussion page before reverting edits. Thanx Paki.tv 14:46, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Takbir
Hi, actually I meant to delete Allah-u-Akbar and leave Allahu Akbar. oops Cuñado   -  Talk  16:12, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Canterbury cross
Thank you -- it would be wonderful if you could contribute an illustration. Try this link: www.seiyaku.com/customs/crosses/canterbury.html to see a picture of a Canterbury cross. --Haddison 02:35, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Try this for Canterbury cross
This link may help: www.gallerybyzantium.com/canterbury.html

Look at the bigger pieces of jewelry. Haddison 13:28, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Early-Historical-Israel-Dan-Beersheba-Judea.png
Hello,

you appear to be marked as the creator of the above image. It claims to refer to the time of the United Monarchy. Is it therefore possible that you could put onto the map the locations of Shiloh (former capital), Gibeah (Saul's capital), and indicate which areas of the map were part of David's Judah and which were parts of Ishbaal and Absalom's Israel ? --User talk:FDuffy 13:20, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Death worship
I've noticed that the edit war on Death worship has been going on for almost a month. Could you briefly explain the situation? I'm willing to help mediate, but I need to understand the problem. —Viriditas | Talk 11:06, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi, and thanks for getting back to me so fast. Would it be possible for you to add references to the disputed content? I'm only trying to offer solutions that might end the edit war. —Viriditas | Talk 21:53, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I wasn't clear. My point is, if the text includes inline references (see WP:CITE) other contributors can get involved without having to ask you to explain the problem.  As it stands, the conflict is less than clear, and basically amounts to an edit war, instead of an anon editor removing cited sources.  Does that make sense? —Viriditas | Talk 23:42, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Citing sources will solve the dispute to the best of our ability. That is to say, anything unreferenced is fair game for removal.  What we are left with is the closest approximation to the facts as we are best able to state them.  This leaves no room for edit wars, and anyone engaging in said edit wars will either find themselves blocked, or in this case, page protection can be imposed, preventing anonymous IP's from editing.  You see?  —Viriditas | Talk 03:34, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi. I've moved this discussion and the one on my talk page to Talk:Death worship where we should continue talking with the anon.  —Viriditas | Talk 20:15, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: Samir Kuntar
Damn, I totally missed that - I checked the talk page and didn't see anything near the bottom. Oh well, you're right - that's a pretty bad explaination, the paragraph is definitely relevant. --jam es (talk) 16:19, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Border Ruffian recat reversion
Thanks for paying attention to Border Ruffian. As part of the ongoing effort to keep entries in Category:American Civil War to a minimum, I recategorized this article in Category:Confederate States Army, along with several other articles related to Bleeding Kansas.

I can understand that you may not agree with the recat. However, this article belongs in a subcategory -- not the "top-level" category. To avoid an edit war, I would suggest simply removing the Category:American Civil War. That keeps the article in Category:Bleeding Kansas, which is a sub-cat of Category:American Civil War.

What do you think? Twisted86 19:57, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Okey doke. I'll take that as an "okay with me" and remove the ACW cat. Thanks for the reply. Twisted86 05:47, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

RE:Image:Proposed postwar Japan occupation zones.png
It's historical, just was never implemented. -- Миборов ский 08:11, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Abjad numerals
Linking numerology to Isopsephy is misleading, so better not to have it linked to anything, or else change it explicitly to the word you want. (Besides, Isopsephy is linked in the third paragraph of the section.) Since Numerology links to Isopsephy in the See also section, I don't see what the problem is, but I refuse to get into an edit war over it. --Dennette 11:03, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

 * I just discovered that Basmala also has the same misleading link ( numerology ), but I'm not going to touch it. --Dennette 11:21, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

 * The problem is that it is misleading, because most readers will not click the link, thinking they already know what "numerology" means ... you should use use Isopsephy explicitly, and people will click the unfamiliar word and learn something. This is an English language Wikipedia, and readers who are not Muslim, or native speakers of the Arabic language, have probably never heard of "Abjad numerals." --Dennette 11:32, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

 * It's not "misleading" -- it's a link to the most specific relevant sub-area of the word in the link. Isopsephy is actually a Greek word, and the vast majority of Muslims and Arabic-speakers would have no idea what the heck it means. AnonMoos 11:51, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

 * You are confusing two distict comments:
 * Numerology only mentions Isopsephy in it's See also section, and Isopsephy only mentions Numerology because I recently added the link.
 * My comment about "Muslims and Arabic-speakers" related to "Abjad numerals", not "Isopsephy", and I probably should not have even mentioned it, because the discussion started with the "numerology" link in the "Abjad numerals" article, and even I don't remember how I got there in the first place.
 * My point is that numerology is the same as having Cat or Mouse, and that is what I mean by "misleading", i.e., "I'm confused ... when I click this link, it seems to lead to an entirely different word." (That is why I added a link for "numerology" to the article for "Isopsephy", since prior to that, it only appeared in the Category section.) --Dennette 12:49, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Indus script, Rongorongo
I deleted the whole section claiming that the Russian guy (forget name) had deciphered the script. It's a pure vanity edit and kookery; he has no scholarly credibility. He keeps inserting the self-praise from various anonIPs. It's delete on sight, not revise. Zora 08:22, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Basmala
Ok, I see. Thank you for correcting me.--Fox Mccloud 18:15, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

POTD
This is to let you know the Featured Picture you uploaded and/or nominated Image:IsometricFlaw 2.svg is scheduled to be Picture of the day on October 23, 2006, when it will be featured on the Main Page. Congratulations!  howch e  ng   {chat} 18:15, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Gor
Thanks for your note regarding the use of "alleged". I still think "reportedly" works better. (To me, "alleged" has criminal connotations.) But I'm not tied to it, and if you think it would be better the other way, feel free to change it back. I wasn't aware of the five year wait for the book when I made the edit, and I appreciate you letting me know. Rray 04:03, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Ket(h)ib(h)/v
Not that I appreciate your way of approaching this, but I will give you a respectful response nonetheless.

I recreated the article Kethib/Ketiv because the title of the article itself is spelled badly. The old article with the very poorly transliterated Kethib should be DELETED because it does not represent any transliteration scheme. If the original author wanted to follow an older system, then it would be kethibh (since the Bet is aspirated = [v]), but he/she did not. Nowadays, the majority of people who comment on Hebrew either use a standardized system for transliteration, in which כתיב would look like kĕ t î b , or they use a more sound-based transliteration such as ketiv. No one who actually knows Hebrew at this time (as far as my experience goes) would ever transliterate כתיב as kethib. - Yonah

 * I had thought I wrote on your talk page, but I guess I didn't. I apologize for the misplacement. - Yonah mishael 02:22, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

 * As per the blocked discussion, my purpose is to separate speech of each participant. Sometimes people post in the middle of someone else's statement, and it is often (in my reading anyway) difficult to tell who is saying what. Separating my text indicates exactly what I have written on a discussion page. This is useful especially when a comment is longer than one paragraph. If I place it only in lightgrey or silver, does this offend your obviously superior senses (since everything that I do seems to be STUPID in your book -- which is hardly a form of respectful discourse)? - Yonah mishael

Re:Taborites
Interesting theory, but it is well documented that the tabor formation was named after the wagon used, and the Hussites were known for their use of the formation.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 03:31, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

RE: Sevener, ar:سبعية
Hey AnonMoos, I will look into that one, and attempt to fix it. Altho I have to say I have no background info about the subject because I am christian, but I will educate myself about the subject and work on translating the english sources into arabic. I will let you know when I think its done. Cheers --Lord Anubis 13:29, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Done
سبعية --Lord Anubis 14:23, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Hamza
Well, You are right ( As I pointed out in the arabic wiki Holy Trinity discussion page), It should be Hamza, and not just the normal Aleph, but Arabs usually neglect putting the Hamza on the character when writing, and they have adapted the same thing when typing (typing ا is easier than أ). Having studied arabic for 10 years (And it is my first language), I still forget when to put hamza or aleph. It is kinda like the french vowels in english-adopted words, how often do you type "Cafe" with a é instead of e? ie: Café ?! How come you know Arabic then ? Do you have an arabic background ? --Lord Anubis

Hamza - continued
Thanx man, ur efforts are appreciated. Aram33 is actually the man working on Arabic Christianity articles. I am contributing to that section as well, I think me & Aram are probably the only active christians on Arabic wiki, LOL. o well.

RE: Christian Arabic terms
I answered some of your questions on the discussion page. --Lord Anubis 16:03, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Holy Trinity
You are absolutely right, it is إله. typo, lol. you're better at arabic than I am .--Lord Anubis 14:05, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: on U+F8FF
While I definitely agree that the addition of rasterized forms of the glyphs described in U+F8FF would turn a rather useless article into something worth reading, as I mentioned on the talk page, the character space was once used as a form of copy protection, done by inserting trademarked logos into fonts to move the unauthorized duplication from the realm of legal uncertainty to concrete copyright infringement. For this reason, I'm not sure that it will fall under blanket fair use to use rasterized versions of these glyphs in the article, particularly the Apple logo. If you have any ideas of how to work with/around this, I would love to see the article greatly refined and will of course contribute rasterized glyphs from the Mac side myself where possible. -- INTRIGUE B LUE (talk|contribs) 03:51, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Indeed, use of corporate logos are allowed under fair use. But look at the specific template:

 This is a logo of an organization, item, or event, and is protected by copyright and/or trademark. It is believed that the use of low-resolution images of logos

 * to illustrate the organization, item, or event in question
 * on the English-language Wikipedia, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation,

qualifies as fair use under United States copyright law. Any other uses of this image, on Wikipedia or elsewhere, may be copyright infringement. Certain commercial use of this image may also be trademark infringement. See Fair use and Logos.

Use of the logo here does not imply endorsement of the organization by Wikipedia or the Wikimedia Foundation, nor does it imply endorsement of Wikipedia or the Wikimedia Foundation by the organization.

To the uploader: please add a detailed fair use rationale for each use, as described on Image description page, as well as the source of the work and copyright information.

 * I'm not sure that illustrating a font glyph falls under fair use by those critera. I know the Apple logo has been removed from Apple-related userboxes that I have created in the past. You could argue that under the wording of the template we are illustrating the item in question, but I read it more as a catch-all phrase, so that if the item represents a corporation it can be used for that article, if it represents an item (ie. a product shot) it can be used for description of the product, etc. -- INTRIGUE B LUE (talk|contribs) 16:35, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

RE: Holy Spirit
AnonMoos, thanks for your comments, firstly, Muslims refer to the Angel Gabriel as : جبريل (Jibreel). Whilst Arab Christians refer to him as جبرائيل (Gabriel, Jibra'eel). secondly, I think we should redirect الله الروح القدس to الروح القدس, just like it is in English Wikipedia ("God the holy spirit" is redirected to "Holy Spirit"). I'll do that, thnx for your suggestion. keep up the good work. --Lord Anubis 18:58, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Trinity
I was just wondering if you erased the "Anti-Trinity arguments" from the Trinity page for any special reason or if you did it because of theological bias. -- unsigned comment by anonymous IP 68.91.35.219 23:21, 28 October 2006'

 * Get an account, so that you have an actual user talk page, and then I'll explain there... AnonMoos 23:47, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Okay, there you go. Now we can talk. Why did you erase the "Anty-Trinity arguments" from the Trinity page? ''-- unsigned comment by User:Lyons24000 by 18:25, 29 October 2006''

How do you sign a comment?

Thanks

Lyons24000 20:28, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: MASH Why am I being accused of vandalism, please clarify.

I and the IP address are the same person. Look, I'm really new and hopeless at certain things, but I am not a vandal. I like to contribute now and again, and I hope I'll get better at it. It's a bit intimidating to be called a vandal.Luckyles 12:35, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Gorean
Hi, thanks for dropping by my talk page. I disagree with you and have commented on the talk page of the Gorean article. You asked for me to improve rather than just remove, and I have suggested that a change to Gorean beliefs would be a means of helping to avoid what is currently a clear POV problem that appears to have been unable to be rectified for at least six months. MLA 08:20, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Time for a mini-chill pill?

 * OK maybe I didn't have to say that the Christianity template sucks, but I'm not sure what you mean about the other two. Cuñado  [[image:Bahaitemplatestar.png|20px]] -  Talk  03:15, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

 * All those issues are where you disagree with me, not that I'm being un-constructive. I made a suggestion on the transliteration because I happen to be familiar with Arabic transliteration, and I wasn't insisting anything; just offering my opinion. I think you're upset because my suggestion didn't agree with what you wanted. On Salafism, I added the merge tag because the articles themselves claimed that they were talking of the same movement, and I explained it on the talk page in a reasonable way. I'm sorry that you think I'm not a constructive editor, but as I recall, on both of those pages I contributed a significant amount of formatting and cleanup. Cuñado  [[image:Bahaitemplatestar.png|20px]] -  Talk  08:17, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Flower of Life
You suggested that..
 * (A) Da Vinci's Challenge is "not much of a source" for a reference, and
 * (B) The subsections explaining the various parts of the Flower of Life should be replaced with a list.

I respond..
 * (A) That source is much better than what was previously there, which was NO references. However, I agree that the promo text from a board game is not a desirable source.  It would be best if I or you were to find another source for the same information and list both sources.
 * (B) The subsections listing like that was meant to be further expanded and elaborated on. Each one of those components of the flower of life deserves a great deal of attention and description.  It would certainly not do it justice or be very informative to reduce it all to a simple bulleted list.

Secondly.. I just discovered that you have reverted ALL OF THE WORK that I spent an entire day working on. You simply eliminated EVERYTHING that I had written and replaced it with the old STUB of an article. This is highly unacceptable and very aggrivating! There is a code of conduct to be followed in editing Wikipedia and it certainly falls outside of these guidelines to arbitrarily decide that EVERYTHING someone has written in a lengthy expansion should all be flushed down the tube at your whim, without even the slightest regard for preserving ANY of the useful information presented. Again I remind you that the article was a simple STUB before I got there, and I expanded it significantly.

If you would like to help improve the quality of the article then try contributing to it instead of taking away from it. If you want better sources for the information cited then either request it or find it yourself. DON'T simply delete it. If you think that information listed under subsection headings is incomplete, then add to it! DON'T delete what is there! I agree that the article could use more sources! I agree that the article could use more information! So either help contribute to that or stay out of it! DON'T ARBITRARILY DELETE ALL OF MY WORK! sloth_monkey 19:49, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Burkem
I'd welcome your thoughts on User_talk:Burkem. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:28, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Merkabah article
Please see discussion in talk page. Thanks. --Shirahadasha 02:59, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Mashriq
The UAE are considered part of the mashriq; or at least they consider themself to be part of "Al-mashriq al-arabi". Many things in the UAE and Qatar are named after the mashriq. For instance mashriqbank http://www.mashreqbank.com/ which is a UAE bank. The map I have on right now is the closest to "Al-mashriq al-arabi" which its map was published in one of the "Tarikh al-arab" volumes. 68.79.101.136 05:29, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes this is user Seblini I sent your the last message. You should do some reasearch before contributing to the masriq page. You are probably refereing to Bilad-asham or maybe the levent (term used by europeans which included syria lebanon palestine and jordan) We are talking about a term that was used by arabs accross the arab world hundreds of years ago: the mashriq. Qatar and UAE are considered part of the mashriq. some even consider the whole arab peninsula being part of the mashriq which also includes saudi arabia, yemen and oman. This map is the closest map to the mashriq map that was published in a "tarikh al-arab" volume that dates back to the 1960's. and pelase stop reverting my edits.

Dude I saw the map of the mashriq in a "tarikh al-arab" volume so dude I might have been wrong. so dude stop being so stubborn I was wrong and you were wrong; and thats the correct map.

There is no shuch thing as the english-word mashriq. we are refering to the arabic word mashriq that has been around for several hundered years and which may be used in english conversations. and this word means where the sun rises and it rises in UAE and Qatar before rising in iraq, syria and lebanon. the UAE and qatar are the farthest arabic lands to the east. therefore they are included in what is known as the lands of the mashriq. I don't know if you really beleive that its a good argument when you say "Eastern Arabia" is not the same as Mashriq. Its like saying "middle-east" is not the same as Asia; yes its not the same but part of the middle east is part of Asia just like part of eastern arabia is part of the mashriq. It is very obvious that you don't have a lot of information about this subject and I would appreciate it if you stop making random contributions.

Speech Code
After discussion with another user, I have split the Speech Code article into "Speech Code" and "Speech Code Theory". Hope that clears up the confusion. What happened is I tried to make them two separate articles and they kept getting redirected before I had the chance to clean up both.

RfC on Mattisse/Timmy12
Hello. Just letting you know that an RfC has been opened on Mattisse, here. As it provides strong circumstantial evidence that Timmy12 is a sockpuppet of Mattisse intentionally using two computers to evade checkuser, I thought you might want to comment. I don't really care what side you weigh in on, but I know you've been in a position to observe at least part of the situation and any view would be helpful. —Hanuman Das 12:02, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem. I was just notifying anyone who had complained at length on Timmy12's talk page. Wasn't sure who had seen how much of the pattern. —Hanuman Das 14:55, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Shield of the Trinity
This is very interesting. Looking at the Shield am I not looking at the lower Trinity of the Sephiroth? Power, Glory & Foundation - Netzach, Hod, Yesod? - above the Malkuth - Kingdom? As in 'Thine is the Kingdom, the Power and the Glory'? Inverted, as it is below, it becomes the Higher Trinity, Kether, Chochmah and Binah, which many commentators equate with the Holy Trinity? ThePeg 17:20, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Reply to your Comment
I read your comment, and pretty much agree on the large margin's and demography, but I normally use transparency on anything that uses a white b/g simply because if someone decides to put it on a Grey b/g, it still looks somewhat encyclopediac. Or maybe it's just a pet peeve :-D --  IAMTH EEGG  MAN  Δ dar  k s  ide 16:01, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

The Chrysalids
I thought these issues had been dealt with in the current version, I am unsure what issue you are referring to. PatGallacher 18:55, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Amazons
why the hostility, AnonMoos? Your current version is acceptable. It may have taken some 'nitpicking' to get us there, welcome to Wikipedia. dab (ᛏ) 07:25, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Greater Syria
I wonder if you might have some input on this. The current article seems to take it that "Greater Syria" refers exclusively to not merely the greater-Syrian position as a whole, but specifically to the SSNP interpretation of it. I'm not convinced that either is the case, but particularly not the latter (with the implications regarding Iraq, etc). Thanks, Palmiro | Talk 22:38, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I am no trying to delete your comment
some developer has farked up the database, and it's acting strangely. I have posted to the three times on the Tripoli Six and each time it has been deleted for no reason. Is it edit conflicts turned off or something? Paul Silverman 17:56, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

to assimilate or not to assimilate?
according to WP:AMOS it seems preferable to assimilate.. see WP:AMOS. the examples of standard transliteration provided also implement assimilation. ITAQALLAH  10:29, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Sundown town
I think the opening sentence needs to be present tense. It doesn't matter that sundown towns don't really exist anymore--the definition hasn't. If a town exists where certain people are kicked out after a certain time, than by golly, it's a sundown town. Past tense doesn't make sense in a definition. Matt Yeager ♫ ( Talk? ) 22:30, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!
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 * Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays ! | A ndonic O Talk</i> 01:04, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

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I am not a dude dude, i am zanj
Come on now call a truce, How do you know i dont know Arabic. I am "Zanj" my username is --HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 02:49, 1 January 2007 (UTC) this is sad you should recognize this and know Ethiopian people speak Arabic and Amharic, in addition we are called Zanj while people in say Mozambique are not called Zanj.--HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 02:49, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Use of Image:Dina-gor.svg
Hello, can I use your Dina-gor.svg here? --The Dark Side 03:18, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry!
Hey there, sorry about that. Didn't mean to start an image war over the Alaska image; I was led to believe at some point that PNGs are preferred on the pedia, but I didn't know the details. It was yellowy because I posterized it...a lot of the Shepherd images are on icky paper, and I like the colors when they're pushed even further into crayon territory, but it's all a matter of taste. Carry on! jengod 03:00, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Melton
"Why isn't his self-identification as a vampire (for which he has been mocked by many) included? AnonMoos 16:44, 8 February 2006 (UTC)" Do you have any evidence or citations to put this in the article? Thanks for your time. Smeelgova 14:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC).
 * I noticed that you had commented on J. Gordon Melton :

thank you
thank you very much for helping me Yossi Klein Halevi. Only my second day in the english wikipedia and you're the first one to help me. yours articles are very impressive Tzahy 09:41, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Suleiman Khater
My bad. I should have found it. Beit Or 21:11, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Banu Qurayza
Hi, will you check the Arabic spelling for the name of this tribe? The article now gives two spellings: بنو قريظة and بني قريظة. As far as I can tell, the former is the correct spelling in Classical Arabic, but what about the latter? Beit Or 09:14, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the response. Is "Banu Qurayza" spelled in modern standard Arabic differently from the Classical Arabic? Beit Or 13:08, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Many thanks. It was really helpful. Beit Or 14:00, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Question
Is the current government of Malaysia Islam Hadhari?--Patchouli 22:32, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I have always thought Islam Hadhari means low-level and toned-down Islamic theocracy. Word like "Faith", "Just", "trustworthy government", "Freedom", "independence", "good quality of life", etc. are lofty ideals and few people will object to them.

I want to know Abdullah Badawi's stance on 3 issue?
 * 1) Should disrecting Islam be simply frowned up & condemned or should there be a criminal punishment for it?
 * 2) Do he and other proponents of Islam Hadhari support the religious police?
 * 3) Is Islam Hadhari in favor of mandatory teaching of the Quran and Islamic tenets in public schools?--Patchouli 01:34, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Archiving?
Hello, just a hint concerning your talk page lenght: "This page is 71 kilobytes long. It may be helpful to move older discussion into an archive subpage. See How to archive a talk page" for guidance.-- Matthead discuß! <font style="color:#ffff00;background:#0000cc;">   O       06:14, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Gap Cycle
I just created articles for each book of The Gap Cycle and they are in dire need of plots, images of the cover art and other useful info RoyBatty42 23:38, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Personal Attacks
In reguards too these two edits: Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 07:06, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

LGBT symbols
I agree, the lambda you found is better there; I just had not found one like it. Thanks! Aleta 04:51, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Image:Template-Christianity-vertical-spacing-problem-screenshot-TEMPORARY.gif listed for deletion
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Template-Christianity-vertical-spacing-problem-screenshot-TEMPORARY.gif, has been listed at. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. —Remember the dot (t) 06:06, 23 January 2007 (UTC) —Remember the dot (t) 06:06, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Archive please
Incidentally, it would be very helpful if you archived your talk page. Take a look at How to archive a talk page. —Remember the dot (t) 06:06, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

PErsonal attacks
I am not intrested in Trilateral this discussion is about Arabic not what your teacher gave you for homework, you expose yourself, Arab speakers do not speak of trilaterial nothing. It isnt for me to look up Zanj i have 3 sources you have none, none meaning you have a POV while i have evidence, and my evidience you have altered to suit your POV. It is you to bring evidence, not something you read or believe which is outdated and lay in construction. Anyone from East Africa knows that people even from Southern Sudan are not called Zanj, this is common knowledge.So it isnt talking about Black people as it doesnt mean South Africans or even some other Bantu groups.--HalaTruth(ሐላቃህ) 20:57, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Look at what you said about me, read it! just do that, cool off and come back, I dont know Arabic, even if i do or dont isnt the point it is a serious way of talking to someone, Did i ever say you dont know NADA, all in CAPS?--HalaTruth(ሐላቃህ) 21:21, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Because i refuse to debate my language ablity because it does mean i am correct, most Arab couldnt help here, because Arabic and Ethnicity is two studies not one. Sudan means what, but you have the english for Bilad ul Sudan as the def for Zanj, just look at that one major mistake. I never challenged your knowledge or insulted you saying you dont know nothing. Plus u changed the text from my 3 sources. these are solid points of concern.Then u went away and then you revert my stuff, when will it end? or should you win because ur right and i and my three sources r wrong?--HalaTruth(ሐላቃህ) 21:38, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Listen clearly
Stop telling me your source, i am a editor here, where is the source page and ref in the article, how long have you been editing here, do you know how to add references citation to your content, see my 3. bring your source, dont tell me on my talk page, show me the exact definition as it relates to the topic of the ethnic Zanj. (historically, linguistically, socially, linga franca etc)--HalaTruth(ሐላቃህ) 21:57, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Namez 2007
Thanks for the heads up about User:Namez 2007. (I didn't end up going through with the mediation attempt anyway.) Talk:Rafida certainly is some interesting reading... here I'd hoped that the trouble would die down and I could quietly attempt to tidy up Shia Islam again. Oh well. -- Perey 17:48, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Dubious articles
You really need to indicate your sources on Delicatue and Famosae, because both these articles have major problems which nothing has been done to fix in almost two years, so that they are highly vulnerable to deletion. AnonMoos 00:48, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * In case, you want to delete them, you are most welcome to take suitable steps as such higher things may beyond the comprehension of many, and may be beyond the scope of an encyclopedia like ours. Thanks. --Bhadani 02:02, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * by the way, you may archive your page :) --Bhadani 02:02, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps you may be interested: Talk:Famosae & Talk:Delicatue --Bhadani 02:32, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Though it is the onus of the person basically to search references and attributions, helping others is always a good idea. I know that you failed to find references. Thanks for your warnings about possible deletion of these pages. --Bhadani 02:32, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Rafida
No problem. I'm not sure if you can or can't, but you might want to check out List of protected pages/Long-term protection. Basically, the problem is, having pages like this protected for months isn't very fair to other anonymous users, although I guess they can just get accounts. The thing is however, is that the anonymous editors actually write the majority of the text of this encyclopedia, and we don't call it "the free encyclopedia" for nothing. That's why we don't want to have pages protected for too long. <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">Khoikhoi 06:45, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: Takfir wal Hijira
You are right, there is a difference. A takfir is a Muslim who charges another with apostasy, while a kafir is a complete unbeliever. However, I'm unsure what you are referring to vis a vis my edit, since, to quote my edit summary, "takfirs" is "...probably not the self-ref for members here", meaning that even though the group's name is "Takfir wal-Hijra", its own members are not likely to apply the nisba "takfiri" to themselves. I did not mention anything about "kafiris" in my edit or its summary. So, I'm slightly confused, but thanks for reviewing the edit. -Fsotrain09 16:40, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

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Talk:Merle Travis

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Worth noting is that Merle Travis appears on the first "Will the Circle Be Unbroken" album.

Lyrics to Dark as a Dungeon
Click on the web site below for the lyrics to dark as a dungeon. Oh yeah and feel free to add it to the main article if you know how. http://www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/garcia-jerry/dark-as-a-dungeon-12706.html Utah Smith 10:06, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
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"All the Memories Money Can Buy"
David Sanjek, "All the Memories Money Can Buy", p.155-172 in This is Pop (2004), Eric Weisbard (ed.), Harvard University Press, ISBN 0674013441, has an excellent discussion of Travis, centered around (but by no means limited to) his turn to pseudo-folk in 1947. A section of his article, p.162-167, "Wanna Be a Folk Singer?" is entirely about Travis. I recommend it to anyone who wants to expand this article further. Not a topic I'm particularly interested in working on, but if someone is interested and lacks access to the book, let me know (email me) and I'll scan the relevant 6 pages and pass them to you for your use. - Jmabel | Talk 05:20, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Good stuff to know. I've got some other foci right now, but I may one day expand the article some, since Travis is from my home county, and we just built a new music center named after him. Don't bother with scanning the pages on my account (although I appreciate the offer) but if I get around to this later, I may contact you. Acdixon (talk • contribs • count) 12:36, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Thumbpicking
My father, Bernard "Bear" Travis, also from Muhlenberg county, KY, who also plays the guitar "Travis-style" and performed with him quite a few times, states that Merle Travis always called it "Thumbpicking", as he does. Apparently Thom Bresh, Merle's son, came up with the term "Finger-Picking".Paganize (talk) 08:03, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

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Houghton family

The Houghton family is a prominent New England and Upstate New York business family. The Corning Glass Works were founded and run by some members of the family.

Family members and descendants
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 * Amory Houghton Sr. (1812–1882), founder of Corning Glass Works (1851), married Sophronia Mann Oakes (1814–1880)
 * Amory Houghton Jr. (1837–1909), former president of Corning Glass Works, married Ellen Ann Bigelow (1840–1918)
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 * Katharine Martha Houghton Hepburn (1878–1951), suffragist and birth control advocate, mother of actress Katharine Hepburn
 * Edith Houghton Hooker (1879–1948), suffragist
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 * Katharine Houghton (b. 1945), actress
 * Mundy Hepburn (b. 1955), sculptor
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Talk:Richard A. Gardner

Focus on the man
PAS is divisive, but it has its own page. This page to describe what Garder did that is of historical interest.
 * I think it's of historical interest that his theories were never subjected to empirical study, research, or testing, never recognised by the AMA and the APA, and never published in peer reviewed medical or scientific journals.

 * I think it's of historical interest that he considered pedophilia to be a "a widespread and accepted practice", that sex with children could be "tender, loving, and non-painful" and that children "may initiate sexual encounters by 'seducing' the adult".

 * I think it's of historical interest that Gardner advised therapists treating a father who raped his child that he "had a certain amount of bad luck with regard to the place and time he was born with regard to social attitudes toward pedophilia".

 * I think it's of historical interest that Gardner was an unpaid volunteer at Columbia who had not had hospital admitting privileges for 25 years prior to his death, although he consistently misrepresented himself as a practicing psychiatrist and full professor.

 * I think it's of significance that this article fails to report objectively on Gardner's life and his pro-paedophile stance, although, in camouflaging the most disturbing aspects of Gardner's work, this article is certainly congruent with the general trend in Wikipedia regarding child abuse and paedophilia. --Biaothanatoi 03:50, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

There is considerable vitriolic attacks on Gardner for raising the issue of false accusation about child abuse, and that encouraging a child to make a false accusation is a form of child abuse. There appears to be a small industry trying to malign his ideas by maligning him. Not only did he publish a rebuttal before he died, but noteworthy scholars such as Bruce Sales have cast serious doubt upon the workings of the family courts in the United States and elsewhere. Furthermore, scandals in New York City and San Diego have blown open a small window into the world of custody evaluation and revealed what may be a massive corruption scam.

He was never "pro-paedophile" but dared to raise the question that "pedophilia" may be mis-applied when convenient, and that more strigent use of diagnostic criteria were essential.

This is a link to his own rebuttal from 1999:

http://www.fact.on.ca/Info/pas/misperce.htm

Shrinkie89 19:46, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Gardner was well-connected with the pro-incest movements of the 1980s, and he stated several times that the sexual assault of children and women could be pleasureable and beneficial to the victim. His work has become the cause celebre of numerous "father's rights" groups in their campaign to maintain control over children in custody disputes, particularly where the father has been accused of sexual abuse.
 * The association between Gardner, the pro-incest lobby of the 80s, and fringe activist groups should give editors here cause for concern, particularly since this article has clearly been written by someone sympathetic to Gardner's theories. It is very difficult tto get balanced commentary on child abuse into Wikipedia since some active editors appear to have a conflict of interest. --Biaothanatoi (talk) 03:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Wow, Biaothanatoi, it's hoped that you wouldn't be the one writing this article with your obvious bias. Is it a problem to you that someone might put forth a theory that in custody pursuits one parent might attempt to manipulate a child into hating the other parent in order to gain custody?  Just how angelic do you think humans are?  Also, your opinions of father's rights (no quoatation marks neccesary) is disturbing to me.  If you would care to do even a little research, you would find that fathers face considerable systemic discrimination and disadvantage.  What a classic and ridiculous slander that all father's rights activists are in for is controlling their exwives and children.  And it's telling that you criminalize all fathers (for what? wanting to actually participate in the lives of their children?), yet won't believe for a second that even one mother could possibly try to turn her children against their father (forgive me, I know this space is reserved for suggestions on improving the article, but sometimes certain things need to be addressed).

 * I would contribute to the discussion here by saying it is hoped that someone with your highly dubious viewpoint would not contribute your bias to such an article. You may say I have a bias---well, don't worry, I'm not contributing to this article; I'm just giving editors here a heads up to be weary of bias against Gardner as well as for him. 71.7.217.61 (talk) 23:30, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Missing a bit
"Gardner's contributions to the field of general psychotherapy with children, psychotherapy with children of divorce, and custody evaluations are widely, although cited."

Something's missing from this sentence fragment. Someone who knows what's what, please fix it.Parakkum 21:11, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

The article only mentions twice that Gardner killed himself
Someone felt this was really important ot mention many times, so perhaps more editors should take the lead and add that in whenever possible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.39.78.68 (talk) 17:09, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I can't see any reason whatsoever to mention the suicide and "add that in whenever possible". What could possibly be the reason for doing so, other than smearing late dr. Gardner's reputation?  I suggest that link no. 11, in the section  (|Notes Notes) be removed ASAP, as it clearly is an unserious one! As such it has no validity on Wikipedia. --190.120.238.20 (talk) 01:20, 13 February 2012 (UTC) Friend of justice.
 * Addition: what does "Autosigned by SineBot" mean? --190.120.238.20 (talk) 01:35, 13 February 2012 (UTC) Friend of Justice
 * This is an article about a person, which includes all relevant information - including that he committed suicide. The fact is, he died by his own hand after a considerable period of chronic pain.  There's no disparagement of his person, if you feel that committing suicide is somehow a moral judgement, that is your problem and not wikipedia's.
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The link to the judith .m simon anti-gardner article "A self-made man" at liznotes is not much more than a blog posting
an anti-gardner site link, links to liznotes which is obviously biased towards sole custody of kids to the the mother, but more than that, the essay by Judith M. Simon, is a reprint of an essay from "Swans". Visit Swans, it is not much more than a blog online since 1996. They publish only on the web, there is no peer review. Simon is herself not notable to the casual googler (that is, she can't be found or identified as the bottom of her article claims, as a health and science writer), and she has no wiki page to back her up. Her "article" is entirely unsourced.

I am going to remove the link from the main wiki page and place it here "for storage"

 * A Self-Made Man Suggests that Creative Therapeutics is a vanity press.

71.39.78.68 17:34, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

 * His own words: "Fact: I do own Creative Therapeutics, Inc., and since 1978 I have published most (but not all) of my books through Creative Therapeutics". So the above attacks on Simon, including putting the word article in "scare quotes" seems somewhat unfair. 152.91.9.219 (talk) 00:46, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Mention of feminist critics criticisms was removed, why?
This was removed from the article, I am not sure why.

''There is considerable criticism of Gardner by feminist critics. Kim Gandy alleged him to say rape victims "gain pleasure from being beaten, bound, and otherwise made to suffer" and that it is "the price they are willing to pay for gaining the gratification of receiving the sperm." or that masochistic women gain pleasure in this way. and that "the child who has suffered bona fide abuse may very well have enjoyed the experience". ''

I think it's relevant to Gardner, his work, his life, and even his death to note Kim Gandy (head of NOW)'s misrepresentations of his work. 70.6.83.8 (talk) 18:43, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

 * I just removed it again. These are extremely loaded quotes which need much better sourcing.  He may indeed have said this, or not, I don't know; nevertheless, it needs much better referencing (perhaps even a primary source).  It's a definite stretch (and nearly impossible to believe) that a scientist would have said such things on this subject and wouldn't be criticized all over the place for it.  The comments just seem so out there....
 * Peace and Passion ☮ ''("I'm listening....") 23:32, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Feminist criticism does not belong in an article about the man. It is only appropriate in the article about PAS itself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.94.73.42 (talk) 11:31, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

There's no reason why criticism of him personally shouldn't be included in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.206.250.2 (talk) 14:55, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

 * Unsigned IP, such criticism is character assassination. Also feminists should know that utilization and promotion of false accusations is wrong. Gardner taught that PA is child abuse -- whether father or mother is the abusive alienating side.-Yohananw (talk) 16:28, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Misinformation Versus Facts About the Contributions of Richard A. Gardner, M.D.
It's important to mention this document which has been prepared to provide corrections for certain misrepresentations and misperceptions of some of Gardner's contributions. He explained : "Some of these originated from conflicts in the legal arena, where attorneys frequently select out-of-context material in order to enhance their positions in courts of law. This is the nature of the adversary system, and it is one of the causes of the controversy that sometimes surround my contributions. Some of these misperceptions and misrepresentations have become so widespread that I considered it judicious to formulate this statement."
 * Misperceptions versus facts about Richard A. Gardner,
 * The American Journal of Family Therapy —Preceding unsigned comment added by Garpsy (talk • contribs) 07:57, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Gardner published his rebuttal in a professional journal and on his website. In his rebuttal Gardner uses the words misinformation, misperceptions and misrepresentations. (Some criticism of Gardner's work might also be described by the related term disinformation).-Yohananw (talk) 17:27, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Richard A. Gardner. Misinformation Versus Facts About the Contributions of Richard A. Gardner, M.D. American Journal of Family Therapy. Volume 30, 2002 - Issue 5. Pages 395-416. Published online: 30 Nov 2010 https://doi.org/10.1080/01926180260296305
 * The rebuttal on Gardner's defunct website (May 2002 revision) is accessible on https://web.archive.org  However, it may not be citeable as wiki doesn't seem to allow citing a web archive. BTW, the title there is Misinformation..., but the web page file name begins misperceptions....
 * The rebuttal is also accessible elsewhere in whole or in part.

New discussion
From shrinikie. Do not confuse what someone did with how others use or misuse what someone did. Gardner did some amazing work in the field of working with children, including pioneering play techniques still considered standard now. He did not advocate child abuse, and is frequently linked to those, such as Bruce Rind, who do. He did become interested in psychologic abuse of kids caught in divorces. A careful review of what he said and wrote, rather than that of what others say about him is important for a NEUTRAL review of who he was. You should note that failure to be included in the DSM is of no consequence, as many things, such as grief, are not in the DSM, but questionable diagnoses are. It is also important to note, that in the area of motivations, when evaluating people in psychologic terms, that there are impulses people have that may be within the range of ordinary as impulses, but not in the realm of legal or moral if acted out, say a desire to take money not one's own, resisted as wrong, or fleeing a battle field, but completing the combat mission. Due to the sensitive nature of pedophilic impulses, childhood sexuality etc, it is often a source of misunderstand that the attempts to elucidate such impulses is not an attempt to endorse such. Again, just look up the work of true pedopile advocates and compare.

All this is to get to the point that there are silly attempts to diminish a person by lessening his credentials, say, calling a doctor "mister." To keep trying to diminish credentials since the person is a volunteer, diminishes the Wiki article and is silly. Clinical Professor means non-tenure in medical school.

Whether parental alienation rises to a full syndrome or not also doesn't negate the reality that children are pulled apart in divorce, and that many parents do attempt or succeed in demonizing the other parent.

Finally, it is important,NEVER to repeat a quote, either out of context, nor without a citation, as any charged field will incite misquotation and outright fraudulent advocacy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrinkie89 (talk • contribs) 18:57, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Oh, one more thing: Seriously important to understand is that a child's view of sexual abuse is not traumatic in the same way adult rape is to an adult. Children become confused because there are pleasurable feelings that they neither understand nor are ready for, often mixed wiha host of other sensations and betrayal of trust. If you actually read what Gardner wrote, not propaganda, it becomes clear he is repeating observations from Freud and other psychoanalysts, not advocating rape. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrinkie89 (talk • contribs) 19:03, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * "Seriously important to understand is that a child's view of sexual abuse is not traumatic in the same way adult rape is to an adult." Would you say that a "child's view" of sexual assault is that it is: 1. More traumatic than it is for an adult? 2. Less traumatic than it is for an adult? Or, 3. As traumatic as it is for an adult? Not sure the point you're trying to make here.Bali ultimate (talk) 14:23, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Bali, per WP:OR, WP:FORUM and WP:TPG I don't know if we want to encourage or engage in debates over questions like that. Very little of the above commentary is related to actually improving the page, and I would like to focus on what is.
 * Neutrality on wikipedia does not mean "lack of criticism". Neutrality means the page discusses the topic with a focus and proportion relative to the attention of independent, reliable sources. It is quite possible that Gardner's page is lacking positive commentary - but this is addressed by finding and incorporating reliable sources that discuss Gardner in a positive way, not by engaging in personal commentary or using peacock terms about him.  Please feel free to expand on Gardner's contributions to psychology and psychiatry, but only using information that can be verified using reliable sources.  Noting that Gardner held an unpaid position is a valid statement, one the NYT felt was worth making.  That doesn't mean you can't expand on what else he contributed, and I would urge you to do so.  I will note two other things:
 * Please do not use this page to soapbox about parental rights, fathers' rights, the flaws in divorce laws or other issues. Please dedicate your efforts on those topics to the appropriate pages, again using reliable sources.
 * Bruce Rind didn't advocate child abuse, and it's a borderline WP:BLP violation to say he did. Please redact your comment as BLP violations even on talk pages are very serious matters.
 * Thanks, WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules: simple/complex 14:32, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Suicide details
I honestly can't see a need to include the details of his suicide, no matter that we apparently have a copy of the autopsy report. Is there a reason to include them that I'm not seeing? WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules: simple/complex 17:22, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

 * I agree. The facts that he committed suicide and that he suffered severe chronic pain are relevant but other specific details of his death are not relevant. (Autopsy reports are may be relevant for entries on suicide methods.) He had an illustrious career with great influence, continuing impact and controversy, but he was not a public figure. I collapsed the Suicide section into Personal life and death. The whole entry needs much editing based on primary sources - i.e. his website (web archived in 2007 and also partly into RA Warshak's site at the request of Gardner's family), his many writings and works, and authority sources.-Yohananw (talk) 08:38, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Bad wording: Real Science
The segment that says "Real science states that if a mother or father attempts to alienate a child, the child will want to see the other parent more." sounds like an opinion or marketing piece. Science is not an talking thing (e.g. a person or a book) and thus unable to state anything.

Saying "real science" only diminishes credibility as it obscures who is the one actually making the claim. Gjvnq (talk) 04:38, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

title: Talk:Richard A. Gardner