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fair game
Nothing at Wikipedia is "fair game". This is not a sporting event, or a hunting expedition. It's a serious project to build a comprehensive encyclopedia of all the world's knowledge. All this fussing over whose rights have been violated is nonsense.

I want to know what articles you plan to improve, Gabriel. And what improvements you plan to make to them. Stop whining, and start planning - like an adult. You can do it. And you must, if you intend to remain a volunteer at this project. Uncle Ed 11:51, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

for one, i was going to try to put some data on areial wolf hunting in the wolf article, tought as lose as i can get to cod , emotionless facts, it still seems emotional, just becasue of the facts themselves....  im prepping to go to work now, so ill get back to you with more. Gabrielsimon 20:35, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

missing sun myth
dreamGuy createsd a fork article missing sun motif and deleted the missing sun myth article against consensus and has been reverting my attempts to undo his    actions that are  against policey, but i have used up all my actions forthe day on that article, i would request assistance for m any intereted parties, if you would. Gabrielsimon 07:29, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

 * No, Gabrielsimon, I did not create a "fork article" - I moved an article to a name that more accurately reflected its contents. When you decided to restore the content to the original name instead of having the article moved (not that it would happen, because the old name is wrong for two different reasons) you created a fork article. Worse than that, the VFD for the fork article clearly says that the fork should be removed and that it should be a redirect to the main article. You trying to restore the contents of the article to that name violates the consensus of the VfD, violates Wikipedia policy on forks, and is inherently just a bad move, and one you are clearly only doing to try to undo something I did, based upon your long history of wanting to harass me. You need to give it a rest. Your RfC is backfiring, and you could very easily end up getting into trouble yourself. Just stop taking actions out of spite and try to work with the other editors here instead of doing things your way just to do them your way. DreamGuy 07:49, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

themove you id was against consensus at the time according tothe talk page. and btw, nothing i do is out of spite, id like to think that i am a more evolved mind then that. i will stop editing pages to change the capitalization of godess now that i understnad, as an example. Gabrielsimon 07:51, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

as for harassment, i didnt, i simply asked a questiomn, you refused to answer, so i askedt he question again, becasue i really wanted to know what the answer was. i do not think that was harassment, it was never intended as such, butyour  welcome to your own interpretations, i zuppose. Gabrielsimon 07:53, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

rfc - sun motif
what you added to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/DreamGuy-2 might be suitible as a se[parate RFC, to get better results. Gabrielsimon 01:38, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree, but lets wait a while. If DreamGuy doesn't act up, i'll refrain from filing another RfC. --AI 01:48, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * No, it should be added to the same RFC. If you add it to a 3rd RFC this will be considered harassment, and be likely to result in arbitration against you, leading to a formal penalty.     10:27, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

youll also note that its not lily that he wont " act up" its his modus operendii...  also it might be good  to npote that hes lying, a little higher in this page. Gabrielsimon 01:51, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I have an understanding of how such people operate, an understanding 1,000,000 times more accurate than any pseudoscientific psychologist. Anyway, these spin doctors are very stupid to try their tricks in a medium such as Wikipedia where everything is intricately documented. --AI 03:38, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

 * You don't have to listen to me, but I suggest avoiding DreamGuy and not returning his calls. And take a look at the Missing sun motif article, nice redirect :) --AI 03:42, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect removed and article restored and protected. There is a VFD. Deleting artices involved in a VFD during the vfd is totally forbidden.     10:27, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

you still shouldnt have hadused the word stupid...

Gabrielsimon 03:43, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

It is irrelevant what grounds a VFD is put up for. Anything may be VFD'd for any reason. The purpose is to determine the community consensus on what should be done with the article, not why. 10:27, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

lillith
is not the title of a God or godess worthey of capitalization? if so, please capitalize it in the Lillith articele,  i hace used up all my actions today  becasue of a stubborn editor who doesnt see this. Gabrielsimon 07:31, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

 * You can help us to help you, by including a link to the article. I guess you mean Lillith. When you answer this comment, you will see that I enclosed used two square brackets on each side of the article name. Uncle Ed 14:39, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

 * sorry, i was reallytred when i posted that, id just gotten homoe from work

Gabrielsimon 21:22, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

"god" vs. "God"
In proper English usage, god is a not a title, it is a noun. As in "Zeus is a god," not "Zeus is a God." The uppercase God is only used when it is a proper noun (or proper name, if you prefer), as in the Judaeo-Christian God, or the pagan Goddess. To to say that a lunar deity is a God or Goddess is incorrect, because there is not such thing as "a God(ess)". It is either "a god(ess)", or "God(ess)" when you are using it as a proper name. As an example, it is permissible to say "God is the name given to the Christian god," or you can say, "The Christian God," (because in this context you are using it in the same you would say, "The Greek Zeus."

As another example, you never say, "He is a God." It is "He is a god," or "He is God." (The latter when referring to the Christian god, since it's the equivalent of saying, "He is Gabriel.")

Similarly, when you are talking of the "underworld" or the "Underworld", you have to distinguish between the use of the word as a noun and as a proper noun. In the case of Gilgamesh, the context of the sentence appears to use it as a noun instead of a proper noun, so lower case is appropriate. Unless Silverberg is actually using the word as the name of the place rather than as a descriptive noun, then Underworld is okay. Otherwise, "the underworld" is correct.

So DreamGuy is correct, and unfortunately, you are not, in this case. --khaosworks 07:32, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

statistically, it was bound to happen... thanks for helping and explaining it. Gabrielsimon 07:34, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Gabirelsimon, you now have had multiple editors tell you that you were wrong to capitalize Goddess... Why do you still insist upon changing it in the Lilith article? You are wrong, everyone has told you that you are wrong, you admitted you were wrong, yet you are still screwing the article up. What could possess you to do this? Please stop. DreamGuy 16:20, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

whats beeen made clear is capitalization is only there whentheres a title, so i capitalized Godess Of War. thats a title. Gabrielsimon

 * Only if it's an actual Sumerian title, as in if the Sumerians went around calling her "Goddess of War" as a name (as in, "Hey, Goddess of War!" as opposed to, "She is the goddess of war") rather than as a descriptive. Otherwise, you're just making it up. --khaosworks 22:27, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

an example is aries, Greek god Of War, they called him Aries, Goid OF War, simmilarly, it was Inanna, Godess Of War. formal titles etc. Gabrielsimon 22:30, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

 * No, it's Ares, the Greek of war, or even Ares, Greek god of war. To call him Ares, God of War is to attribute a title to him that the Greeks may or may not have had given him (he may have been their god of war, but did the Greeks title him God of War is what I'm trying to get at). Similarly, Inanna was the Sumerian goddess of love and war, but if her full title wasn't "Inanna, Goddess of Love and War", i.e. the designation was part of her name, then you're not on firm ground --khaosworks 22:51, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

While I agree with Khaosworks, I think in Gilgamesh the King "underworld" (or, as I would have it, "Underworld") is being used as the name of a location to which dead souls go that exists in Mesopotamian mythology. I haven't read the stories, though, so I don't know. elvenscout742 00:18, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Wolf
As far as I know I am the only Wikipedian who owns livestock. We have a beef cow-calf operation.

I am of two minds about wolves. I see them occasionally. I appreciate Jim Brandenberg's work as a biologist and photographer, with regard to the wolf. They are beautiful creatures, and objectify wildness and freedom in a certain way.

On the other hand, they are also destructive, and I have sheep farmer friends who have problems with them. Wolves can, do, and have destroyed the livelihood of sheep farmers. They have an expansive range and cannot be fenced out, and the only effective means of control is to kill them. Many sheep farmers believe that wolves become sheep-specific predators in areas where sheep are present, and believe that the extent of this problem has gone unrecognized by government officials and scientists who have an agenda driven by the fantasy of a natural world where humanity is not present.

Wolves are no match for a cow, and in my area though present in small numbers they are not bold enough to try to take a calf away from the herd. Still, I can appreciate the pain and the sleepless nights and broken dreams of sheep farmers, particularly, who suffer the effects of their predation. If we ever lost a calf to one I too would kill any I see by any means possible. As a rule in the livestock business you end up seeing a lot of death, and that is especially true of the herdsmen I know in the sheep business. Some say lambs were put on this earth to find new ways to die. But it breaks the heart of a herdsmen to have to go out and shoot a lamb that's been mortally injured by a wolf; wolves care no more for the pain and suffering of lambs than the farmer cares for the pain and suffering of the wolf. Wolves can and do kill even if they are not hungry, and will often leave a dead carcass behind without eating any of the meat.

My two cents. Balance.

The Uninvited Co., Inc. 02:33, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

i used to spend a lot of time in the wilderness and i met quie a few wolves ( i had an intersting childhood) none of them ever killed without need, and as for farmers, well scare off a wolf should be easy, you dont have to KILL it. besides, what gives people the right to say, kill off entie populations of wolves just becasue they may lose a few thousand dollars... you sayt yo would slaughter all wolves you saw over the life of one calf? for shame! Gabrielsimon 02:49, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

 * This is all fascinating background material, but remember, we're trying to figure out how to describe aerial hunting of wolves, for an encyclopedia article. U.C. is giving the farmer's perspective. Gabriel, you love wolves. What should the article say? Uncle Ed 04:38, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

i beleive it should sasy how hunters routinly slaughter them in the name of thier own monetary gain and how other hunters slaughter them  becausethey are trying to  control the population, when, as a predetory species, wolves are self controlling, as population  goes. it should also be noted that wolves themselves, when in packs, never kill except for food, some times, banished, lone wolves do kill for other reasons  but that is extremily rare. the words i posted on your talk page aught to be inculded as well, becasue of the simple fact that areal wolf hunting  is more or less cheating, for many reasons. i also do not think that just becasue people are prersent in any eco system entitles people to pretend that they are the masters of said eco system. Gabrielsimon 04:49, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

the words i was referring to are : "Hunters routinely chase entire packs of wolves until, the wolves themselves are too exhausted to move, and thereafore defenceless, then they ( the "hunters") land, and walk up and shoot the wolves, at point blank range, excecution style." Gabrielsimon 04:57, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Humans are not the masters of the world, we are the Guardians of Nature, thus senselewss destruction is a waste of human purpose. Gabrielsimon 14:47, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Wait a minute, GS. You're saying wolves hunt in packs?!?  In other words, they gang up on other defenseless creatures?? That's terribly unfair.  I thought they had more honour than that.
 * Do you see now why talk about "cheating" or "fairness" opens a whole can of worms when trying to maintain NPOV? Also, dicussion of your idea of humanity's "proper" role in nature is hopelessly POV.  Animals (including humans) kill other animals.  We're not here to pick sides, we're here to be factual and neutral.  Friday 15:24, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

they take own the weak among the prey, therafore trhey contribute to the natural balance of keeping the prey species strong. humans are apart from the cycle. our place is to protect nature, not to interfere with it. the use of technology such as helicopters to hunt down and exterminate entire communities of wolves at once OIS  unfair. becasuse A - wolvvescant fly for one thing and B - humans hunt wolves ourt of fear, and prejudice, wolves hunt to eat. Gabrielsimon 15:29, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Don't know what to tell you. I hope you can see that saying something is unfair is expressing a point of view.  Also, your guesses as to the motivations of wolf hunters are speculation and POV also.  I see that wolf is still protected, but even once it's not, I would advise you to be cautious.  It's great that you're trying to work this out on the talk page though.  However other editors may be less inclined to work with you if they believe your goal is POV pushing.  Friday 15:53, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

the motivation of wolf hunters i mention is not POV, it is based on rwsearch. as for how fair it is, also research, not opinion. Gabrielsimon 22:01, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Sigh. You are demonstrating a continuing lack of understanding of NPOV and verifiability.  If there's research, why not cite a source as I suggested on the talk page?  Friday 23:00, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

 * PLEASE STOP the edit warring! Have you learned nothing?  The page was protected due to your unilateral editing behavior, which you are now continuing.  Did you read the talk page at all?  Once again I'm finding it very difficult to assume good faith on your part. Friday 23:18, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

i take it YOU havnt read the talk page. i asked you to stop removing my work, its already as NPOV as its gonna get, wtihout deleting the intforamtion, and it is important. Gabrielsimon 23:23, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Gabriel, I offered a compromise, but you were unwilling to budge on a single word you wrote. Please take a moment to assess what you're trying to accomplish here, because it seems like you're working against everyone in this community. - grubber 00:38, 2005 July 16 (UTC)

the comprimise reduced what i put to one word. Gabrielsimon 01:04, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

You're exaggerating; most of what you wrote was still there. I was working to help keep your edit in the article but I'll assume you'd like to work this out on your own. Good luck. - grubber 01:28, 2005 July 16 (UTC)

Interesting, Gabriel; I doubt we'll agree. There is a difference between killing wolves for "a few thousand bucks" -- though I myself would have no moral qualms about killing wolves for that kind of money -- and killing wolves for the difference between earning a living and going broke. This is the choice that some farmers face. One or two lambs a night, over the course of a year, easily adds up to that. And the sleepless nights spent watching and waiting. And hoping that the new fence or the latest nonlethal control method will work. They might, until the wolves get hungry. The idea that wolves take only the weak is false. That is, unless you consider an ewe that's lambing to be weak. That's one of their favorite targets. From the farmer's point of view, the wolf is a pest, or at least can be, just one of many obstacles to trying to make a living. Your attitude changes a lot when you see the dead lambs. As for methods, I have never advocated the use of poisons for predator control because there is so much indiscriminant killing as a result, mainly affecting raptor populations. I understand that hunting from aircraft works well. No sport in it to be sure, but that's not the intent; it's business rather than pleasure. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 02:23, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

business of humans does not justify elimination of a species. nor does someones livlyhood justify cruelty. wolves simply try to survive. one can not fault them for that. effectivness of an activity that is wrong doesnt justify that activity. as i have said before, humans are not natures masters, humans are the protectors of the balance, and as such have no right to choose what species should live and what species should perish for thier own foolish fears and desies. as guardians of the balance, humans have a lot to learn before they can go back to doing thier job properly. Gabrielsimon 02:40, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

 * What are human beings that you are mindful of them, mortals that you care for them? You have given them dominion over the works of your hands; you have put all things under their feet, all sheep and oxen, and also the beasts of the field, the birds of the air, and the fish of the sea, whatever passes along the paths of the seas.  -- Psalm 8:4,6-9 (NRSV).  The Uninvited Co., Inc. 17:56, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

biblical lies wont convince me. humans have intellect so that they may aid the world, and look what they did. the ramblings of a false god wont convince. those who quote scripture have no opinion of thier own. Gabrielsimon 03:28, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Man did not weave the web of life, he is merely a strand in it. Whatever he does to the web, he does to himself. - Chief SeattleGabrielsimon 03:32, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

((stupidity and creulty, some how m,ixed togeather has been removedGabrielsimon 01:28, 19 July 2005 (UTC))). Kurt Weber 23:46, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for standing up for fairness! Cognition 05:09, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

i try. Gabrielsimon 05:11, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Cognition's page
If you'd care to join the discussion, it's at User talk:Cognition. Friday 14:39, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Your feelings about wolf hunting
Message for you at User_talk:Ed_Poor. Uncle Ed 11:49, July 16, 2005 (UTC)

On wolf hunting edits
Just so you know, I found this edit particularly un-neutral. I hope you can see why. Even if you don't, I would see it as a personal favor to me if you'd discuss it before reverting it. Friday 21:51, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

the label that all wolves are destructive  is totally false, most  are only tryingto survive, hence its a false label, a generealization if you will. Gabrielsimon 23:48, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

You apparently see the word "destructive" as an insult. It was not meant to pass judgement, it was meant to suggest that they destroy things, such as livestock. Gabriel, I really wish you'd ask yourself what you're hoping to accomplish here. You've already demonstrated poor judgement in making edits. You've already been banned multiples times for your edits. Yet, you're continuing to insist on getting only your own way, without compromise. That's not how things work here. Frankly, I'm sick of trying to compromise with you, when you won't budge. I'm pretty sure other editors are having problems with your behavior also. Friday 00:16, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

SOME are destructive, yes, but not all are, your wording says that all are, and that is unacceptable. can you see why? Gabrielsimon 00:25, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Okay, here's your chance. Try this. Do not talk to Friday anywhere but at talk:wolf hunting. If he posts here, simply ignore it.

And explain why you insist on scare quotes around "justification". Tell him what those scare quotes do to the word. And then suggest an alternative that he can understand and accept, but which does not compromise the integrity of the article. Uncle Ed 00:33, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

as you wish Gabrielsimon 00:35, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Re: read the VFD
''and see that tis ubn nessessary and it all stems from one users inaprpriate edits. (dreamguy went aganist consensus) Gabrielsimon 05:03, 17 July 2005 (UTC)''
 * I have read the VfD. I also can see that the VfD is scheduled to be closed later today, and I would prefer to let the process work than have a group of editors warring over this issue while the VfD continues on.  This is why I've protected the pages in question.

 * There is no situation in which an edit war is an appropriate response to anything on Wikipedia, including this one. Kelly Martin 05:08, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

the entire thing is DreamGuys fault, he changed thigns against consensus. Gabrielsimon 05:09, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Did you actually read the notice on the article Missing sun motif that said

DO NOT CHANGE THIS ARTICLE INTO A REDIRECT DURING THE VFD

?

You may not do this, it violates VFD policy. The article is now locked from editing. 07:35, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Missing Sun myth and its VFD
DO NOT REMOVE VFD NOTICES DURING A VFD.

This is a serious violation of policy, and if you continue to do it, it will get you blocked from editing. 07:38, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

the VFD is not on grounds that are appropriate, becaue the article was altered without consensus by user DreamGuy, thus making your complaint moot. Gabrielsimon 08:27, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

 * (A) Please learn what moot actually means.
 * (B) Anything may be VFD'd for any reason. VFD is a request to the community to decide on the fate of an article. YOU MAY NOT REMOVE VFD NOTICES FROM ARTICLES unless the VFD has been formally closed by a closing admin, doing so will get you blocked immediately.     10:29, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

moot means pointless, doenst it? Gabrielsimon 10:56, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * That is one meaning of it, but not in the context you are suggesting. But be that as it may, you do not unilaterally remove VfD notices. I cannot emphasise this enough. Even if you think a VfD notice is in bad faith, you raise it on the VfD discussion page, and do not remove it yourself. Let everyone decide if it is a bad faith nomination - you don't get to assume that kind of authority on your lonesome. --khaosworks 04:09, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

at the risk of sounding childish, if authority is not for one use, then DreamGuy shioyod getsome kind of punitive reaxction for assuming authority  on missing s un myt's name change... he went agsint consensus.( for the record i wont do any such again) Gabrielsimon 04:11, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Different situation and context entirely. There is a procedure to be followed for VfDs. --khaosworks 04:26, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

Why did Jtkiefer initially remove the VfD and redirect the page? Is he the VfD administrator? --AI 10:39, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * No. That was due to the rather unusual nature of the article being VfD'd, as it was a cut and paste operation from Missing sun motif, so he believed that the fork article should not be the subject of a VfD. He was in error as well. --khaosworks 11:14, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

I believe the matter is now settled. I suggest that you abide by the results of the VfD, and refrain from removing VfD notices in the future except when closing a VfD discussion according to the process. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 15:23, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Book of Mormon
Welcome back, dear boy. You have reverted my edit to Book of Mormon, but with no explanation. This is not the way to work together with your co-editors. Wiki policy is to always explain your edits. This way we can work out differences as they arise, and you can spare yourself the ire of other editors evident in the talk page entries above. --Blainster 08:56, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

its simple really, the deketions seemed un nessessary. from having read the book once, it seemed that the removed items, aside from the link,m  fit ., Gabrielsimon 09:00, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

 * You say it is simple, but while ignoring policy by not summarizing your edits may seem simple to you, it only causes confusion for everyone else. Your reversion deleted three different edits.  If you only meant to make one change, do you understand how carelessly reverting all of them might cause someone else to wonder why you did that? Did you merely forget to provide a summary?  If so, please try to remember next time.  And please take the time to use the diff function to look at the changes so that you can intelligently make the edits that you desire.

 * Also, your response indicates you "read the book once", so evidently you didn't bother to look up the verses cited. If you had, you would have seen that they do not make the statement that the entry claims they do.  That is why they were removed.  Thanks.  --Blainster 09:46, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Edits to otherkin and vampire
Although many other editors, namely DreamGuy, have complained and nagged you during your tenure during Wikipedia, it is my own opinion that you deserve some type of award for your continued work on Wikipedia. So here it is:

Thanks, happy editing, Horatii/Dbraceyrules 21:08, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Inanna
I have reverted your change from a redirect to a stub. When you have an expanded article available, please do feel free to replace the redirect with the new article. In the meantime, however, the redirect is more helpful than a stub. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 15:25, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

3RR
Some friendly advice: the message that you just deleted was a 3RR warning about the wolf article. You should heed those warnings, even if you think they are unfair, given the problems that you have had in the past. Ignoring them will only give ammunition to the people you feel are harrassing you, and could result in you being blocked. If you feel that other editors are being unreasonable, then you should go through the dispute mediation process, rather than getting into revert wars. Ground Zero 20:11, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

in recent days he kept claoiming id vilated 3rr o my user talk page. so i thought it  worth ignoring., good advicce tho. Gabrielsimon 20:33, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

 * By my count, you did violate 3RR on your talk page. However, I was very nice.  Instead of reporting you (you'd have probably been banned for several days due to multiple offenses), I brought it up to you personally.  However I see that you'd rather your behavior be evaluated through official channels.  I'm sure the ever-increasing crowd of editors you've annoyed with your behavior will be glad to know that. Friday 20:40, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Friday, your way of intervening is just stirring things up. If you are an admin, please drop this matter. If you are not, then just leave it to the admins, because you're not helping. I'd like you to (1) review Avoid personal remarks and (2) stay away from Gabriel and wolves for a couple of days. If I tell the arbcom I can't handle this, then they will handle this - and they think in terms of 3-month paroles. I'm much easier to deal with.

 * Everybody, please think about what is best for Wikipedia. Uncle Ed 00:26, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

go ahead, report me. Gabrielsimon 20:39, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Gabriel, you better ignore these guys, cool off, and stop ALL reversions. Otherwise, while I go on vacation next week I predict you will be on suspension the entire time. If you care about wolves, you MUST find a way of channeling that passion into neutral writing.

 * Your homework assignment is to read all of the NPOV article. I can't make you do this, of course - but if you will learn what this policy is about, then you'll be able to edit all the articles you want. Same as me. Uncle Ed 00:30, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

You-Know-Me
Signing "You-Know-Who" might be a copyvio, but possibly even using the name at all is too. I don't intend to change my signature anytime soon though. Thanks. --Lord Voldemort (Dark Mark) 21:58, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

i just thought it wold be fun... call it a tribute  i suppose. Gabrielsimon 21:59, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Foolishness
Gabriel, if you keep feeling around, the other admins are going to block your account. I suggest you stick to finding an unbiased way to describe the controversy over wolf hunting. Uncle Ed 00:01, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

 * its not particularly easy to describe things coldly if you careabout them.

 * on another note, any way i could ask yopu mioght get people offf my back if they start buzzing about with some wierdnesS? i never ment any harm ifi i did anything.

Gabrielsimon 00:06, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes, it's not easy, but sometimes it's the only way. And the way to get people off your back is: (1) Never answer a nasty or wierd comment, and (2) Talk to the people who make good edits. That's what I've always done, and they went and made me an Admin and co-chair of the Mediation Committee. Uncle Ed 00:21, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

Request for comments
I'm ready to place a request for comments about your behavior. Policy and common courtesy demand that I ask of you, at least once, like many other editors have done already, that you cease that kind of behavior (edit/revert wars, refusing to acknowledge policies, accusing others of bad faith, etc.). I have gathered plenty of evidence of those disruptions. Is there something you want to say? --Pablo D. Flores 02:28, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

why not just talk to me about it? whatever it may be. i also do not remember ever doing anything that might give you a personal reason to persecute me. Gabrielsimon 02:32, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm not persecuting you. In fact, I'm trying not to. I'm an editor of Wikipedia among thousands, and like most other editors I only want WP to be a good encyclopedia.

 * Talking to you is precisely what I'm doing. Do you understand why a lot of users have reverted your edits? Have you read the relevant policies that others have repeatedly mentioned to you? Do you understand that the rest of the editors are not trying to censor your ideas or just being stubborn? More important than that, will you act according to that, or will you continue ignoring the warnings? Reply as you please; the one thing I'm concerned about is that you don't go around messing with good articles and taking advantage of everybody's patience. --Pablo D. Flores 02:42, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

i read a few policeys today, at the request of ed. other then that i hadnt read any, sorry to say. it happens that some of the times i got blocked for 3rr were misunderstandings, as fara s i could tell, and others were of course me,, bewiong stubborn. i have no maliscious intent here, i thought i was attempoting to improove articles, or trying to add to them in constructive ways. Gabrielsimon 02:47, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Gabriel, please walk lightly. There are actions you can take when you run into opposition, keep reading policies and you'll see. Aloha --AI 11:46, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Policies are not weapons to use against "opposition". If you think Wikipedia is a debate forum, where people fight for opposing ideas, you are deeply mistaken. Advising Gabrielsimon to look for policies that can be exploited for his benefit will not help him.

 * Pablo, I disagree with the way you are approaching Gabriel. I didn't say weapons. Opposition can include personal attacks. Policies dictate how a user can respond  Action should be taken against such "opposition." Either help him out by suggestion policy or file an RfC. There is no point in discussion with Gabriel like this. --AI 14:11, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Gabrielsimon, my request for comments is only that: asking other users to see what you've been doing and comment on that. I haven't placed it yet, and I won't if you change your way of contributing to Wikipedia (not only respecting rules and policies but also having the common sense to keep your personal feelings aside when editing an article). --Pablo D. Flores 13:13, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

im bad atnoticing details. do you have any specific suggestions that might improove what i do? Gabrielsimon 13:18, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Gabriel don't worry about RfC. If an RfC is filed on you, it will only result in you becoming a better contributor provided you consider the COMMENTS resulting from RfC. --AI 14:11, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

 * The last comment is correct. However, RfC is intended in part for dispute resolution, and the RfC policy requires 1) that you try talking to the disputed user first in order to solve the dispute; and 2) that you notify the user before posting the RfC. That's precisely what I did. In fact, you cannot post a RfC without discussing it first with the disputed user.

 * Besides that, RfC would expose Gabrielsimon to comments from several users who have had problems with him before, and those comments would then be archived and available to everyone. I think it would be best to solve this here, without resorting to, basically, posting a big sign with an arrow pointing at Gabrielsimon and reading "problematic user".

 * Personal attacks are not opposition, they are merely personal attacks and should be reported as such. I haven't attacked Gabrielsimon, only criticized his way of editing. Opposition I understand as replying to opinions with contrary opinions, and it belongs in talk pages, not in articles.

 * FWIW, here is the personal attacks policy, in case Gabrielsimon didn't know where to find it.

 * My suggestion to GS: of course, read the policies with care. But more simply, don't get into edit wars, especially over small things like a capital letter or a pair of double quotes over one word. If someone corrects you, ask why (in the relevant talk page or user page). Ask for help. Don't let feelings get into statements of fact; back things up properly. For example, if you feel (as I do) that wolf hunting is no sport but bloody morbous entertainment for people with nothing better to do than simply butchering innocent animals for their sick pleasure, don't write all that, or suggest it, in the wolf hunting article — rather find public statements of reputable environmentalist organizations about wolf hunting, and integrate them nicely into the article, or link to them. Avoid using expressions like "Some people believe that..." to introduce opinions; be explicit about your sources.

 * --Pablo D. Flores 14:38, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

fair enough. Gabrielsimon 15:32, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I made the comment above because Pablo didn't specifically indicate your error with a suggestion of applicable policy. It looked to me like he was just lingering over you with a threat for RfC. I believe he should point out specific policies or guidelines if he knows about them. Here are some I am aware of which seem relevant to issues Pablo mentions:
 * Policies and guidelines "It has wide acceptance among editors and is considered a standard that everyone should follow."
 * Assume good faith "When you disagree with someone, remember that they probably believe that they are helping the project."
 * Manual of Style "Names of other planets and stars are proper nouns and begin with a capital letter"...
 * Cite sources ..."if you add information to an article which you gleaned from a specific external source, please at least write a quick note about where you got your information. If you can properly format your citation, that's great!  If not, others can re-format it for you, as long as you provide all the information necessary to find the original source."...
 * Avoid peacock terms "In Wikipedia articles, try to avoid peacock terms that merely show off the subject of the article without containing any real information. Some peacock terms to watch for:"... "an important...", "one of the most important...", "one of the best..."
 * Avoid weasel terms "It's better to put a name and a face on an opinion (and to seek out other alternate opinions to discuss) than to assign an opinion to an anonymous source." An example of a weasel: "Some have criticized the"..., "Legend has it..."
 * Revert ..."if you don't explain things people will probably assume all kinds of nasty things, and that's how edit wars get started."
 * --AI 16:13, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

shaman
im thinkin of writing a shaman article, bexuase i do agree with the talk page on shamanism that shaman shouldnt reduirect to shamanism, the cited example is very good about how chrisianity isnt redirected from priest. any objections?

Gabrielsimon 15:32, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Dreamguy's RfC
Gabriel, can you please remove your comment from under Solipsis' comment. It is contrary to RfC protocol ("Users who edit or endorse this summary should not edit the other summaries") and could be used against you as a violation of policy concerning personal attacks. You can reword it so it is more civil and place it in the talk page of the RfC. If you take the time to search down the specific instances of what you are talking about, you can get the difference from history pages and add it with a comment to the bottom of evidence. Aloha. --AI 19:30, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

you can remove it ifyou wish, ill go look and do so, but if you wish to i have no problem with it. Gabrielsimon 19:31, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

hows that? Gabrielsimon 19:45, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi you two... Both of you need to immediately stop trying to remove clear evidence of bad behavior. AI himself admits that this is being done solely to try to hide what you have done, and that is not allowed when the project page in question exists to determine who was violating policy and who was not. If you regret your comments, strike them thru with the strikethru tags, but if you think you can hide evidence of your behavior you are sadly mistaken. DreamGuy 20:59, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

September 11, 2001 attacks
Regarding your edits to September 11, 2001 attacks, please note the difference between NPOV and crank. Changing the language to suggest that a plane allegedly crashed into the Pentagon does nothing to maintain wikipedia neutrality, it replaces a statement of npov fact with conspiracy theories. The facts of the impact are not in doubt any more then the facts of the terrorist nature of the WTC attacks are, which segues to the secondary point: The 9/11 attacks on civilian infrastructure are a textbook definition of terrorism. There is nothing 'american pov' about it. Please review the dictionary definition of terrorism. -- Chairboy 21:01, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

its wiki policey not to use the word terrorist, isnt it? this is why we use the word MILLITANT. Gabrielsimon 21:28, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Something to think about
Hi, Gabriel.

I note that you have a pattern of controversial editing. Most of your edits are based on opinion rather than fact, and portray a lack of knowledge of the expectations of Wikipedia editors regarding substance, style, NPOV, and interaction with other editors. I see that Ed Poor has been trying to bring these matters to your attention as well. I will be rather more blunt than Ed has been.

Please leave the project unless you are willing to change, because your edits aren't helping us build a better encyclopedia.

If you want to change, and to improve the quality of your contributions, I make these suggestions:

 * Reread the basics at Welcome, newcomers and take them to heart.
 * Avoid inherently controversial articles, such as George W. Bush and September 11, 2001 attacks.
 * Avoid articles where your contributions have been controversial in the past.
 * Contribute fact-based, well referenced, well-organized prose.

I am happy to help if you have any specific questions.

Regards

The Uninvited Co., Inc. 21:42, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

i remove the word terrorist where i fimnd it, because of this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Words_to_avoid Gabrielsimon 21:44, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Please note that according to the section you referenced, an argument For the use is "The fact that the term is often misused does not mean that it should not be used at all" and your stated intent seems to suggest that you are simply replacing every instance of it. As it is a "legitimate word with well-defined meaning. Dictionaries, encyclopaedias, textbooks on political science, etc. will readily provide definitions. So will most governments, who tend to see it as something like "doing bodily harm for political reasons without actually being a government" (also from that section), your edits in September 11, 2001 attacks are verging on vandalism.  Also, please review the Three-revert rule which applies directly to you in the context of that article.  -- Chairboy 21:53, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Block
I have blocked you for a violation of the Three-revert rule with regard to your edits at September 11, 2001 attacks. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 21:56, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

why am i blocked for TWO identical changes? the differences clearly will show that i did not revert the page in question four times, there are differences between versions, except the last two,  so the blocking is unfair. please undo it, uninvited company. you juped the gun ( besides im only trying to enforce a policey as cited in words to avoid) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Words_to_avoid Gabrielsimon 21:57, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

You edited the page five times. Four of the edits were reverts to a prior version. The fact that they did not revert the same words is immaterial, as is the fact that one of the reverts was to another editors prior text. If you're going to walk the line and be a 3rr ruleslawyer, you have to get the details right. But, a better idea would be avoid reverts entirely, at least for a while, and consider my words above.

Further, it is not your place to enforce policy. As others have pointed out, policy does not support what you're doing.

I'm willing to unblock you provided that you promise to leave the September 11 article alone.

The Uninvited Co., Inc. 22:03, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

okay, but i was only trying to help, you know? Gabrielsimon 22:04, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I realize that, but you have to learn how to help effectively first. Read my stuff above, and give me a few minutes to remove the block.  The Uninvited Co., Inc. 22:07, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Gabe, you're a good kid and I like you, but you have to follow the rules, same as I do. Try doing a text move instead, next time. Uncle Ed 01:15, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

Your 7th 3RR violation in the last 3 months
Gabriel, you have been blocked for 3RR violations on at least 7 occasions that I found: Clearly your edits are rubbing people the wrong way. Your recent edits have been getting much better, but the revert wars you participate in are not productive. Please talk about your edits before you make them and if people revert your edits quickly, that is an indication that there is probably something that needs to be discussed first. I'd love to see you continue to make contributions, as it's clear you've made some good ones. But I do disagree with your methods and edit wars that circle around some of your controversial edits. - grubber 10:46, 2005 July 21 (UTC)
 * 2005 Apr 24 by Geni
 * 2005 Jun 15 by Geni
 * 2005 Jun 30 by Cburnett
 * 2005 Jul 1 by Cyrius
 * 2005 Jul 7 by Khaosworks
 * 2005 Jul 12 by Bratsche
 * 2005 Jul 20 by UninvitedCompany

 * Around April he had already had at least three or four blocks for 3RR, so the total is going to be even higher. DreamGuy 19:39, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

Notifying RfC
I've just placed a request for comment on your behavior. You've been told nicely about policies by admins and by several users, including me; I gave you suggestions and even offered to ditch my RfC (after I spent two hours gathering evidence for it). You've been blocked for 3RR violations several times and you seem undeterred. You're hereby notified. Please don't respond here or in my talk page; wait until comments arrive and then reply to them. --Pablo D. Flores 14:00, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Arbitration
I have made a request for arbitration with regard to your recent edits, in light of your apparent unwillingness to take advice or follow the community's rules. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 21:26, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

what are you talking about?? Gabrielsimon 21:25, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I apologize. The link was incorreect.  See WP:RFAr.  The Uninvited Co., Inc. 21:31, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

i figured it out... btw, i do believe your over reacting. Gabrielsimon 21:32, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I should be packing for vacation, but ... while I'm gone if you do THIS, you will avoid suspension. Interested? Read on.

 * Any time, someone reverts one of your changes to an article, you need to (1) resist the temptation to "just put it back" and (2) try to get an explanation from them on the article's talk page. (3) If their explanation does not satisfy, you SEE RULE #1 AGAIN IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO DIE A HORRIBLE DEATH!! (er, just kidding about the "die" part, was quoting Dumbledore facetiously for "effect" ;-) Uncle Ed 01:50, July 22, 2005 (UTC)

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Warren Haynes

Warren Haynes (born April 6, 1960) is an American musician, singer and songwriter. He is best known for his work as longtime guitarist with the Allman Brothers Band and as founding member of the jam band Gov't Mule. Early in his career he was a guitarist for David Allan Coe and The Dickey Betts Band. Haynes also is known for his associations with the surviving members of the Grateful Dead, including touring with Phil Lesh and Friends and the Dead. In addition, Haynes founded and manages Evil Teen Records.

Personal background and style
Haynes spent his formative years in Asheville, North Carolina, where he was born, and lived with his two older brothers and his father, Edward Haynes. He began playing guitar at age 11. His primary guitar is a Gibson Les Paul '58 Reissue electric guitar. His choice of a '58 is most likely because of Duane Allman's famed '58 Les Paul and the tone he achieved with that, rather than the more commonly used '59 Les Paul model, popularized by guitarists such as Jeff Beck and Jimmy Page.

Haynes has referred to himself as a "Gibson man", often playing Gibson Firebird and Gibson ES-335 models as well as the Les Paul models. This was acknowledged by the American guitar maker Gibson which has included a limited edition Warren Haynes signature Les Paul in its product line; built according to Haynes' specifications and modeled on his '58 Les Paul.

Haynes is married to Stefani Scamardo, a DJ for Sirius Radio and the long-time manager of Gov't Mule. In 2011, they had their son, Hudson.

Influences
In a 2006 interview with Gibson.com's Backstage Pass Haynes explains his early influences: "When I first started – chronologically speaking – Hendrix and Clapton and Johnny Winter were the first three people I got turned on to. That was the Cream era of Clapton. Then eventually, I heard the Allman Brothers and everybody else from that era that I stole something from (laughs). Of course, I would read interviews with all these people and find out who they listened to. And they all listened to B.B. King and Freddie King and Albert King and Howlin' Wolf and Muddy Waters and Elmore James, so I would go back and discover that stuff."

Early years
Warren Haynes joined David Allan Coe's touring and recording band in 1980 when he was 20 years old. He remained with Coe's band for four years.

Shortly after, Haynes got a gig with The Nighthawks, while continuing to play with local musicians and doing session guitar and vocal work. One notable achievement of this period is a song he co-wrote with Dennis Robbins and Bobby Boyd that would later be cut by country musician Garth Brooks, titled "Two of a Kind, Workin' on a Full House", which was released on the album No Fences and remained the number 1 single on Billboard's Hot Country Singles & Tracks chart for twenty weeks.

Dickey Betts Band and The Allman Brothers Band
Around 1987, Haynes got a call to perform backup vocals on a studio album by Dickey Betts, along with Dennis Robbins. Betts, who had concentrated on his solo career following the breakup of The Allman Brothers Band, decided to add Haynes to his band as his guitarist after the session. With Matt Abts on drums and Johnny Neel on keyboards, the now formed Dickey Betts Band released the 1988 album Pattern Disruptive. In the same year, Haynes also co-wrote the title track for Gregg Allman's solo album Just Before the Bullets Fly.

In 1989, The Allman Brothers Band decided to reunite, and Betts recruited Haynes to join the band. Also joining were Neel on keyboards and Allen Woody on bass guitar. Haynes has since played on four well-received studio albums, including the gold certified Where It All Begins (1994). It was that same year when Haynes played to his largest audience ever with the Allman Brothers at Woodstock '94. Haynes and Woody left the group in March 1997 to focus solely on their side project Gov't Mule. Shortly after Woody's untimely death on August 26, 2000, Haynes began appearing with The Allman Brothers Band again alongside young guitar prodigy Derek Trucks. He returned to the band as a full-time member shortly thereafter.

On January 8, 2014, Haynes and Trucks jointly announced their respective plans to leave the ABB by the end of 2014, following the conclusion of the band's celebration of its 45th anniversary, with the band subsequently announcing that they would disband at the same time.

Gov't Mule
In 1994, Haynes formed Gov't Mule with Abts and Woody. Haynes and Woody initially split time between Gov't Mule and The Allman Brothers Band, but after The Allman Brothers' last show of their 1997 run at New York's Beacon Theatre on March 26, 1997, both left the band to focus on Gov't Mule full-time. They released three albums and became known for their powerful live performances. Some of these performances have been released as official live albums (Live at Roseland Ballroom, Live... With a Little Help from Our Friends and Mulennium; the latter two capture consecutive New Year's Eve shows).

On August 26, 2000, Allen Woody died unexpectedly. Following his death, a decision was made to finish the tour acoustically as the "Smile at Half-Mast" tour. Gov't Mule released two studio albums (The Deep End, Volume 1 and The Deep End, Volume 2) and a live album/DVD (The Deepest End, Live in Concert) featuring many of Woody's favorite bass players. In 2003, Andy Hess (bass) and Danny Louis (keyboard/organ) were added as permanent members to the group. Late the following year, this lineup released their first studio effort, Deja Voodoo, which later included an EP of newly recorded material titled Mo Voodoo. After recording 2006's High & Mighty, Gov't Mule also released a dub EP titled Mighty High and a DVD titled Tale of 2 Cities that contained two full performances recorded in 2004 and 2006. The two shows on the DVD captured the first show of the Deja Voodoo Tour and the last show of the High & Mighty Tour, serving to encapsulate what was created over those two years. In 2008, Hess left Gov't Mule to pursue other projects and was replaced by relative unknown Jorgen Carlsson. By a Thread, the first studio album from Gov't Mule featuring Carlsson, was released in 2009 on Haynes' own label, Evil Teen Records.

In 2010, they went back to the vault and released Mulennium, a three-disc recording of a show from New Year's Eve 1999 in Atlanta. This was the first official recording released of the original trio since the death of Woody in 2000. It also featured an appearance by Little Milton, one of Haynes's guitar heroes from his youth.

The Dead
Since the death of Jerry Garcia in 1995, Haynes has performed and toured with many of the surviving members of the Grateful Dead. In 1997, Haynes and Abts came onstage to jam with Bob Weir and Rob Wasserman in a small club. The performance was being filmed for Robert Mugge's film on Robert Johnson, Hellhound on My Trail. Then in 1999, Phil Lesh approached Haynes to play lead guitar and sing for his solo group Phil Lesh and Friends. He played regularly with Lesh for three years and has continued making occasional appearances in the ever evolving lineup of his "friends" in subsequent years. In 2004, when The Dead (remaining members of the Grateful Dead) were in need of a new guitarist, they called upon Haynes to come play lead and sing for that summer's "Wave That Flag Tour". His run with The Dead ended on a night where he came in with them, then performed a solo acoustic set, and then ended the night playing with The Allman Brothers Band and starting out on their next tour. He played lead guitar for The Dead again in late 2008 when they performed at a benefit at Penn State for then-presidential candidate Barack Obama, later touring with them in the spring of 2009.

Solo artist and guest appearances
In 1993, Haynes released his first solo album, Tales of Ordinary Madness, which was produced by former Allman Brother keyboardist Chuck Leavell. He toured briefly in support of the record with various musicians, including Danny Louis.

In 2003 and 2004, Haynes released two solo acoustic albums, The Lone EP, a collection of live performances and Live From Bonnaroo which documents his solo performance (part acoustic, part electric) at the 2003 Bonnaroo Music Festival. When not touring with one of his electric bands, Haynes will often take time out to do solo acoustic shows, which include a variety of well-known and rare covers along with his own material. In 2004, Warren Haynes performed five full-length solo acoustic shows, as well as opened 23 times for The Dead and once for The Allman Brothers Band.

He has also made 45 song appearances and 28 concert appearances with Dave Matthews Band, including on two released live albums: Live at Central Park Concert in 2003, in which he performed "Cortez the Killer", and "Jimi Thing", and Live at Piedmont Park where he performed "What Would You Say".

In 2005, Haynes performed a one time only show under the name Warren Haynes & Friends. The band included Abts on drums, Dave Schools of Widespread Panic on bass, John Medeski of Medeski Martin & Wood and Skerik, the avant-garde sax player of bands such as Critters Buggin' and Les Claypool's Fearless Flying Frog Brigade. The group played a selection of blues songs, including songs of Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, Tom Waits, and Gov't Mule standards. The band was also featured as the house band during a number of tapings of Last Call with Carson Daly in early February 2005. During one of these tapings, the scheduled musical act was absent, so Haynes performed an acoustic rendition of U2's "One". The song also appeared on his Live from Bonnaroo album. In 2008, Haynes covered the Bob Dylan song "I Shall Be Released" with Coheed and Cambria, as well as their song "Welcome Home", as part of an encore the band played during their shows in support of Neverender.

After recording Gov't Mule's By a Thread album, Haynes formed The Warren Haynes Band. The group included George Porter Jr. on bass, Ivan Neville on keys and Raymond Weber on drums. Also joining them on keys was Ian McLagan, as well as vocalist Ruthie Foster and Ron Holloway on tenor sax. The Warren Haynes Band made their debut performance at Haynes' annual Christmas Jam in Asheville, North Carolina on December 11, 2010. The album Man in Motion was released in May 2011 and debuted in the Billboard Top 20. An extensive tour occurred after the release through the rest of 2011; the touring version of the band included Holloway, drummer Terence Higgins of the Dirty Dozen Brass Band, bassist Ron Johnson, keyboardist Nigel Hall, and various vocalists, either Foster, Alfreda Gerald, or Alecia Chakour.

The Warren Haynes Band's Live at The Moody Theater 2CD/1DVD package came out in April 2012 on Stax Records. The lineup on the recording consisted of Haynes (lead vocals and guitar), Ron Holloway (saxophone), Ron Johnson (bass), Terence Higgins (drums), Nigel Hall (keyboards) and Alecia Chakour (backing vocals).

Haynes has stated that his further solo efforts might take him into still other fields. "There are other projects I want to do, too," he relates. "I'm interested in recording a singer-songwriter oriented album with more acoustic instruments, a jazzy instrumental CD and a straight-up blues record. But like Man in Motion, those albums will have to wait until the time is right." During the COVID-19 pandemic, Haynes remained active writing material dealing with subject matter he has not touched on in the past.

The Christmas Jam
Starting in 1988, Haynes put together an annual charity benefit show, inviting musicians originally from his home town of Asheville who were home for Christmas, the only time of year they would all be in town at the same time. The first show, held at the 45 Cherry club in Asheville on December 29, 1988, was dubbed "The Christmas Jam: Musician's X-Mas Reunion." Some of the artists at the first Christmas Jam were Warren Haynes, Mike Barnes, Matt Sluder, The Crystal Zoo, The Stripp Band, Ronnie Burgin and the McBad Brothers Band.

In the initial years the proceeds from the concert were donated to various charities but eventually the organizers decided to focus on Asheville Area Habitat for Humanity, a non-profit that constructs and preserves homes; advocates for fair and just housing policies; and provides training and access to resources to help families improve their shelter conditions. In tribute to his financial support of Asheville Area Habitat for Humanity, a Habitat neighborhood in Buncombe County, North Carolina, has a street named after Haynes, and another subdivision was named in honor of Warren and Stefanie Hayne's son. In 2002, Haynes was presented with the key to the city by Asheville mayor Charles Worley. In 2003, Worley proclaimed December 18 as "Warren Haynes Day" in Asheville.

The event has continued to grow every year and is now dubbed "Warren Haynes Presents: The Christmas Jam." Due to increasing audience demand, the show was eventually moved to the Asheville Civic Center. In 2008, for its twentieth anniversary, "The Christmas Jam" consisted of two nights of music; including "The Christmas Jam By Day," a series of events including daytime concerts, movie screenings, and art, photo, and poster exhibits taking place in downtown Asheville on the days leading up to the show. The event reverted to one night in 2009, but retained "The Christmas Jam By Day," and included the new "Christmas Comedy Jam." The same format was repeated in 2010.

Instructional videos
Haynes has recorded two instructional videos for Arlen Roth's Hot Licks Video: Electric Blues & Slide Guitar and Acoustic Slide and the art of Electric Improvisation. He discusses his influences and shows an array of techniques such as "call and response", string bending, vibrato, slide guitar in standard tuning and some acoustic open tuning licks in G and E tunings. For the demonstrations of the electric improvisation section of the second video, he is accompanied by Allen Woody and Matt Abts.

Taping policy
All of Warren Haynes' projects allow audio taping and trading. He does not approve of video recording or photography of his performances and does not provide access to soundboard patches. The Allman Brothers Band also allows taping and trading, but does not allow distribution of their shows via the internet using such applications as BitTorrent. The reason given for this restriction is that it is more communal to trade person-to-person. In a 2005 USA Today article, Haynes stated that while tape-trading may cut into band profits, the benefits outweigh the drawbacks due to an increased fanbase.

Discography
This discography lists those releases involving Warren Haynes, including his various bands, other projects and guest appearances.

Solo recordings and Warren Haynes Band

 * Tales of Ordinary Madness, 1993
 * The Lone EP, 2003 (live)
 * Live at Bonnaroo, 2004 (live)
 * Man in Motion, 2011
 * Live at the Moody Theater, 2012 (live CD/DVD)
 * (with Railroad Earth) Ashes & Dust, 2015

With The Allman Brothers Band

 * Seven Turns, 1990
 * Shades of Two Worlds, 1991
 * An Evening with the Allman Brothers Band: First Set, 1992 (live)
 * Where It All Begins, 1994
 * An Evening with the Allman Brothers Band: 2nd Set, 1995 (live)
 * Hittin' the Note, 2003
 * One Way Out, 2004 (live)
 * Play All Night: Live at the Beacon Theatre 1992, 2014 (live)
 * The Fox Box, 2017 (live)
 * Cream of the Crop 2003, 2018 (live)
 * Warner Theatre, Erie, PA 7-19-05, 2020 (live)

With Gov't Mule

 * Gov't Mule, 1995
 * Live at Roseland Ballroom, 1996 (live)
 * Dose, 1998
 * Live... With a Little Help from Our Friends, 1999 (live)
 * Life Before Insanity, 2000
 * The Deep End, Volume 1, 2001
 * The Deep End, Volume 2, 2002
 * The Deepest End, Live in Concert, 2003 (live)
 * Deja Voodoo, 2004
 * ''Mo' Voodoo (EP), 2005
 * High & Mighty, 2006
 * Mighty High, 2007
 * Holy Haunted House, 2007 (live)
 * By a Thread, 2009
 * Mulennium, 2010 (live)
 * Shout!, 2013
 * Dark Side of the Mule, 2014 (live)
 * Sco-Mule, 2015 (live)
 * Stoned Side of the Mule Vol. 1 & 2, 2015 (live) – Record Store Day release
 * Dub Side of the Mule, 2015 (live)
 * The Tel-Star Sessions, 2016
 * Revolution Come...Revolution Go, 2017
 * Heavy Load Blues, 2021
 * Peace...Like a River, 2023

With the Dave Matthews Band

 * The Central Park Concert, 2003 (live)
 * Live at Piedmont Park, 2007 (live)
 * Live Trax Vol. 20, 2011 (live)

With The Derek Trucks Band

 * Out of the Madness, 1998 – vocal obligato and lead guitar on "Good Morning Little Schoolgirl", "Forty-Four" and "Death Letter"
 * Already Free, 2009 – writing credits on "Back Where I Started"

Miscellaneous

 * The Black Sorrows – Hold On to Me, 1988 – additional guitars on "The Chosen Ones"
 * Dickey Betts Band – Pattern Disruptive, 1988
 * Gregg Allman Band – Just Before the Bullets Fly, 1988 – writing credits on "Before the Bullets Fly"
 * Garth Brooks – No Fences, 1990 – writing credits on "Two of a Kind, Workin' on a Full House"
 * Larry McCray – Delta Hurricane, 1993 – writer of "Soul Shine"
 * Blues Traveler – Four, 1994 – slide guitar on "The Mountains Win Again"
 * David Allan Coe – Live – If That Ain't Country..., 1997 (live)
 * Little Milton – Welcome to Little Milton, 1999 – Gov't Mule guests on two tracks
 * Joe Bonamassa – A New Day Yesterday, 2000 – writer of "If Heartaches Were Nickles"
 * Corrosion of Conformity – America's Volume Dealer, 2000 – slide guitar on "Stare Too Long"
 * Kevn Kinney (of Drivin N Cryin) – The Flower & The Knife, 2000 – producer; guitar and backing vocals on most tracks
 * The Les Claypool Frog Brigade – Purple Onion, 2002 – guitar on "Buzzards of Green Hill"
 * Phil Lesh and Friends – There and Back Again, 2002
 * The Bottle Rockets – Blue Sky, 2003 – guitar on "Lucky Break", "I Don't Wanna Go Back", "Cartoon Wisdom", "Mom & Dad" and "I.D. Blues"
 * Jack Casady – Dream Factor, 2003 – lead guitar on "Outside" and "Sweden"
 * Peter Frampton – Fingerprints, 2006 – guitar on "Blooze"
 * Beth Hart – 37 Days, 2007 – writer of "Soul Shine"
 * Mountain – Masters of War, 2007 – guitar on "Serve Somebody" and "The Times They Are a-Changin'"
 * Elvin Bishop – The Blues Rolls On, 2008 – guests on "The Blues Rolls On" and "Struttin' My Stuff"
 * Buckwheat Zydeco – Lay Your Burden Down, 2009 – writing credits and slide guitar on "Lay Your Burden Down"
 * Peter Frampton – Frampton Comes Alive! 35th Anniversary Deluxe Edition, 2011 – solo performance of "Do You Feel Like We Do" included as a bonus track
 * William Shatner – Seeking Major Tom, 2011 – guitar on "Twilight Zone"
 * Trombone Shorty – For True, 2011 – guests on "Encore"
 * The Marcus King Band – The Marcus King Band, 2016 – producer; slide guitar on "Virginia"
 * The Pretty Reckless – Who You Selling For, 2016 – lead guitar on "Back to the River"
 * Walter Trout – We're All in This Together, 2017 – guitar and vocals on "The Sky Is Crying"
 * Black Stone Cherry – Family Tree, 2018 – vocals on "Dancin' in the Rain"
 * Ann Wilson – Immortal, 2018 – guests on "You Don't Own Me" and "Luna"
 * Blackberry Smoke – You Hear Georgia, 2021 – writing credits and guitar on "All Rise Again"
 * Edgar Winter – Brother Johnny, 2022 – guests on "Memory Pain"
 * Dolly Parton – Rockstar, 2023 – guests on "I Want You Back"

Compilations

 * Hempilation: Freedom Is NORML, 1995 – with Gov't Mule on "Don't Step on the Grass, Sam"; with Drivin' N Cryin' on "Too Rolling Stoned"
 * Hempilation, Vol. 2: Free the Weed, 1998 – with Gov't Mule on "30 Days in the Hole"
 * Hound Dog Taylor: A Tribute (tribute album to Hound Dog Taylor), 1998 – with Gov't Mule on "Gonna Send You Back to Georgia"
 * Wintertime Blues: The Benefit Concert, 2000 (live)
 * Under the Influence: A Jam Band Tribute to Lynyrd Skynyrd (tribute album to Lynyrd Skynyrd), 2004 – with Gov't Mule on "Simple Man"
 * Endless Highway: The Music of the Band (tribute album to The Band), 2007 – with Gov't Mule on "The Shape I'm In" and the Allman Brothers Band on "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down"
 * Freeway Jam: To Beck and Back (tribute album to Jeff Beck), 2007 – "The Pump"
 * Occupy This Album, 2012 – "River's Gonna Rise" (live)
 * Tommy Bolin and Friends: Great Gypsy Soul (tribute album to Tommy Bolin), 2012 – also production credits

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Talk:Khan Tengri

Location
According to the Chinese version of the article, the peak is not located at the border between Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, sondern at the border between China and Kyrgyzstan. There is also an entry in the 《中国地名录》, as Hantengri. The coordinates given there are slightly different: 42.12°N, 80.13°O. What's the correct location? —Babelfisch 13:48, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

 * If you look on Google Earth, Khan Tengri peak is marked at 42° 12'43.33"N, 80° 10'25.53" E. The Kazakh/Kyrgyz border passes through the mountain. The Chinese/Kazakh/Kyrgyz borders meet a short distance to the east, at 42° 13'15" N, 80° 14'44" E. I'm not sure quite how precisely the borders are drawn and matched with the terrain; they look a bit approximate. For instance, I'd have expected the border to follow the crest of the peaks, but it seems to have "slipped" a little to the north. SiGarb | Talk 18:48, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

 * According the treaty among Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan and China in 1999, the peak locates at the junction where the borders of the three countries meet. And the coordinates given is 42°12′36.4″N,80°10′31.1″E.

 * I would be interested to see the source of the above claim. According to Soviet topographic mapping, the triple border is an unnamed 6637m peak 6km east of Khan Tengri, and that Khan Tengri lies wholly outside China. It is difficult to draw topographically logical borders that include China among those countries that own Khan Tengri's main summit. Viewfinder

 * CHINA, KAZAKHSTAN, KYRYZSTAN SIGN BORDER AGREEMENT. On the sidelines of the Bishkek summit, Jiang Zemin, Nazarbaev, and Askar Akaev signed what Akaev termed "a final agreement" on delimiting the frontiers between the three countries where they converge at the Khan-tengri peak, RFE/RL's Bishkek bureau reported.
 * http://www.friends-partners.org/friends/news/omri/1999/08/990826I.html

 * I am sceptical about this report. The report is not from any official authority; it seems to be from a non-government organisation. There are no border details and it is quite likely that there was a reporting inaccuracy. The report should have read "in the vicinity of Khan Tengri". Still, if anyone can supply or direct me to the full text of the agreement, then I am open to persuasion. I have not seen any maps which place the KT summit on the Chinese border. A 1996 West Col map calls the 6637m peak "East Shatior". Viewfinder 15:21, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

 * The official authorities are mainly in Chinese or Russian,e.g.
 * http://www.npc.gov.cn/zgrdw/common/zw.jsp?label=WXZLK&id=8966
 * And also, the Encyclopaedia Britannica gives the same description.
 * http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9039104/Khan-Tangiri-Peak

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.221.16.42 (talk • contribs) Please sign your posts using four tildes. Viewfinder 19:36, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I can get a translation of the Chinese document here. The translation is not very good, can any Chinese speakers reading this make it clearer? It seems to have been agreed that the 6995m summit is the three-nation boundary; the coordinates given, B = 42 ° 12'36 .4 " N and L = 80 ° 10'31 .1 ", are in agreement with the summit coordinates. A supplementary document goes into detail about the course of the border but I don't understand the translation, I cannot access the map and the border must have to follow an illogical course relative to the ridges. Viewfinder 19:36, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

There is some mystery here, because all the other Wikipedias and external links from the main article claim that the summit is not the three nation boundary. Viewfinder 19:46, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

 * The topographty is not the only factor, otherwise the Kazakhstan border should be along the northern ridge. Furthermore, If I hanen't misunderstood, the second external link says that the peak locates just south of the point where Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and China's borders meet, which is not consistent with the Soviet topographic mapping either.

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Any significance to Tengrinism?
I was wondering if the mountain had ancient religious significance. This article seems to be about the first white people to see it. Probably should change away from the eurocentric formula. --IronMaidenRocks (talk) 02:42, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

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My name is Shayne Bowman and I speak frequently on participatory journalism, citizen journalism, social software and information design. I co-wrote, with Chris Willis, a book on designing e-commerce web sites, Designing Web Sites That Sell, which was published by Rockport/Peachpit Press (May 2002). I also am the co-author of a whitepaper on participatory journalism called, "We Media: How Audiences are Shaping the Future of News and Information" (Sept. 2003) for The Media Center at American Press Institute. I co-author a weblog on participatory journalism called Hypergene MediaBlog.

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Dean Woods

Dean Anthony Woods OAM (22 June 1966 – 3 March 2022) was an Australian racing cyclist from Wangaratta in Victoria known for his track cycling at the Olympic Games and Commonwealth Games. On Australia Day 1985 he was awarded the Order of Australia medal for service to cycling. He was an Australian Institute of Sport scholarship holder.

Career
At the 1984 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles, Woods, with teammates Michael Grenda, Kevin Nichols and Michael Turtur, won the 4000m team pursuit. Critics did not give them much chance. The team was coached by Charlie Walsh and dubbed "Charlie's Angels". In the final the Australians defeated the United States by 3.86 seconds, even though the Australians were riding conventional bikes while the Americans had high-tech machines. Woods told The Border Mail in 2004, "Expectations weren't high for us from the press, but we thought we would do pretty well. We had a close team."

In the 4000m individual pursuit Woods was beaten for bronze by Leonard Nitz (US).

At the 1988 Summer Olympics in Seoul, Wayne McCarney, Stephen McGlede, Scott McGrory, Brett Dutton and Woods won the bronze medal for the team pursuit, defeated by the USSR (gold) and German Democratic Republic (silver). In the individual pursuit Woods won the silver medal.

Woods won a bronze medal in the team pursuit at the 1996 Summer Olympics. At the 1986 Commonwealth Games he won the individual pursuit event. At the 1990 Melbourne to Warrnambool Classic, Woods set the record of 5h 12m or 50.9 km/h for this 265 km race.

Woods established and worked at a bicycle shop, Dean Woods Direct, in Wangaratta but later sold it.

He died from cancer on 3 March 2022, at the age of 55.

Major results
Sources:
 * 1989
 * 5th Grand Prix Eddy Merckx
 * 8th Overall Tour de Picardie

 * 1990
 * 7th Grand Prix Eddy Merckx
 * 9th Benego Omloop
 * 10th Overall Vuelta a Aragón

 * 1991
 * 4th Overall Tour of Sweden
 * 1st Stage 1a (ITT)

 * 1993
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Ours Is the Kingdom

Ours Is the Kingdom is the fourth album by English metal band Forefather. Its title is a play on the line of the Lord's Prayer "For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory". The lyrics of the track are a statement against Christianity and a defiant will to reclaim the English kingdom from an alien God. The cover art depicts a dead crusader warrior, an image meant to symbolize Christian decay.

"Our hearts lie not in heaven,

Nor Eastern desert sands."

Track listing

 * 1) "The Shield-Wall" – 4:10
 * 2) "Ours Is the Kingdom" – 4:53
 * 3) "Proud to be Proud" – 4:54
 * 4) "The Golden Dragon" – 5:26
 * 5) "Smashed by Fate" – 4:25
 * 6) "The Sea-Kings" – 4:28
 * 7) "To the Mountains They Fled" – 4:37
 * 8) "The Folk That Time Forgot" – 4:55
 * 9) "Threads of Time" – 6:18
 * 10) "Keep Marching On" – 6:01
 * 11) "Rebel of the Marshlands" – 4:03
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Chidori

Chidori (千鳥, ちどり), is the name of a number of characters and objects in Japanese traditional literature and drama. It may refer to:

Anime and manga

 * Chidori Kuruma (来間 千鳥), a character from the manga series Ceres, Celestial Legend
 * Chidori Takashiro (高城 千鳥), a character from the Kiznaiver anime series
 * Chidori Yoshino (吉野 千鳥), a character from Persona 3
 * Chidori Ujimatsu (宇治松 千鳥), a character from the manga series Is the Order a Rabbit?
 * Kaname Chidori (千鳥 かなめ), the female protagonist of Full Metal Panic!
 * Kaname Chidori (千鳥 要), a character in Koi Kaze
 * The character prototype in the Brave Witches anime television series
 * A skill in the Naruto series
 * A katana in Katana Maidens ~ Toji No Miko

Other uses

 * Chidori, a neighborhood in Ōta, Tokyo
 * Chidori (comedy duo), Japanese comedy duo consisting of Daigo and Nobu as the members
 * Chidori-class torpedo boat, an Imperial Japanese Navy class of torpedo boats that served during the Second World War
 * Chidori Station, a train station on the Kagoshima Main Line in Koga, Fukuoka, Japan
 * A famous sword wielded by the Sengoku Period samurai Tachibana Dōsetsu

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B100

B100 may refer to:

Radio stations

 * KBEA-FM (99.7 FM, "B100"), a radio station in Muscatine, Iowa, U.S.
 * WBYT (100.7 FM. "B100"), a radio station in South Bend, Indiana, U.S.
 * KFMB-FM (100.7 FM, "B-100"), a radio station in San Diego, California, U.S., now known as KFBG
 * CKBZ-FM (100.3 FM, "B-100"), a radio station in Kamloops, British Columbia, Canada

Others

 * B100 (New York City bus)
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 * An abbreviation for 100% biodiesel
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Gail O'Grady

Gail Ann O'Grady (born January 23, 1963) is an American actress and producer, best known for her roles on television. Her roles include Donna Abandando in the ABC police drama NYPD Blue, and Helen Pryor in the NBC drama series American Dreams. O'Grady is also well known for her lead roles in a number of television movies. She has been nominated for a Primetime Emmy Award three times.

Early life
O'Grady was born in Detroit, Michigan, the daughter of Jim and Jan O'Grady. She was raised in Wheaton, Illinois, and graduated from Wheaton North High School in 1981. She appeared in a few commercials before moving to Los Angeles in 1986.

Career
O'Grady began her career as a model for Montgomery Ward and as an actor in several commercials. In one commercial, she played the neighbor for whom Michael J. Fox's character chases down a Diet Pepsi. In time, she began making guest appearances, often as a villain. She made her big screen debut in the 1988 romantic comedy She's Having a Baby, and later was cast for two episodes on the ABC drama China Beach. She also guest starred on several other shows, and appeared in made for television and independent movies.

Her first major role was as Donna Abandando on the ABC police drama NYPD Blue. O'Grady played the big-haired squad secretary from 1993 to 1996, and for each year received an Emmy Award nomination for Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Drama Series. Along with the cast, she won Screen Actors Guild Award for Outstanding Performance by an Ensemble in a Drama Series in 1995. O'Grady left the series in 1996, and made a pilot for her own sitcom, The Gail O'Grady Project, but the show was not picked up by any of the networks.

After leaving NYPD Blue, O'Grady began starring in numerous television movies for Lifetime and other networks, including The Three Lives of Karen (1997), Two Voices (1997), Every 9 Seconds (1997), Two of Hearts (1999), Another Woman's Husband (2000), Lip Service (2000), Hostage Negotiator (2001), Hope Ranch (2002), Lucky 7 (2003), Sex and the Single Mom (2003), and More Sex & the Single Mom (2005). Her big screen credits include Celtic Pride (1996), That Old Feeling (1997), Deuce Bigalow: Male Gigolo (1999) and Walking Across Egypt (1999).

From 2002 to 2005, O'Grady starred as Helen Pryor in the NBC television series American Dreams, which depicted an all-American family living in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, during the 1960s. The series was canceled after three seasons. In Fall 2005, O'Grady was lead actress in the ABC comedy series Hot Properties, which was canceled after 13 episodes. In 2006, she guest starred on Two and a Half Men, and in 2007 had a recurring role on Boston Legal as Gloria Weldon, a judge in a personal relationship with attorney Alan Shore. Also in 2007, she starred in the Hallmark Channel movie All I Want for Christmas.

O'Grady had regular roles on the short-lived CW series Hidden Palms as Karen Hardy in 2007, and on Hellcats, playing Wanda Perkins, the mother of the main character, from 2010 to 2011. In 2008, she had a recurring role on the ABC series Desperate Housewives as Anne Schilling, a woman who is having an affair with the character Porter Scavo (at that point a teenager). She appeared on Monk, CSI: Crime Scene Investigation, The Mentalist, Law & Order: Special Victims Unit, Drop Dead Diva, Hawaii Five-0, and Castle. From 2014 to 2015, she had a major recurring role as Conrad's first wife on ABC primetime soap opera Revenge, opposite Madeleine Stowe.

In 2019, O'Grady starred in the Lifetime film Identity Theft of a Cheerleader (which was inspired by the identity theft committed by Wendy Brown) as Angie Patterson, the mother of Maiara Walsh's character Vicky Patterson.

Personal life
O'Grady has been married and divorced six times.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Julian Bentley

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The result of the debate was Speedy Deleted, vanity. GarrettTalk 00:00, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Julian Bentley
''Julian Bentley (Born June 11th, 1988) - A Canadian actor, dancer, runner. Julian Bentley's life is filled with intrigue, danger and romance. Those who have come in contact with this mysterious man usually leave their brief encounter puzzled by the entire meeting...He attends Yale Secondary School in Abbotsford BC'' Sorry, Julian. come back when you've at least graduated university. Calton | Talk 05:29, July 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete under new guidelines to make sure it is a brief encounter. No evidence presented as notability as runner, actor or dancer.Capitalistroadster 06:19, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete or Speedy, whatever's appropriate; article not worth a can of tuna. Bill 10:01, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete - vanity. -Joshuapaquin 11:36, July 22, 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Sulfamethoxazole

-- Can someone take a look at the external link to the BrianDeer site? looks a little spammy and kind of controversial in it's slant, is that site authoritative enough for this type of page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.25.192.4 (talk) 02:46, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

-- I'd like to ask you to remove the part below, cause as I understand it, wikipedia is not there to answer direct questions about adverse effects of drugs someone took. You should ask a physician or pharmacist about this. --evernever80.187.196.130 08:12, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

-- Also, I think that the "Main Complaint" part is ridiculous and in no way scientifically relevant. If your physician think you need the drug you should take it, if not you shouldn't get it all, wikipedia shouldn't be a forum for antibiotic drug addicts or whatever this is about. Thus the passage should be removed. --evernever80.187.196.130 08:12, 23 August 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Untitled

 * Gone. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 14:14, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Sulfamethoxazole - unexpected benefit? My 9 yr old daughter recently broke out in boils, was diagnosed with staph infection and given oral sulfamethoxazole. In addition to quickly healing up her sores, I noticed another benefit. My daughter is usually quite restless during the night, kicking, tossing and grinding her teeth. She often wakes up looking more tired than when she went to bed. After about the third day of taking the sulfamethoxazole, I noticed that she slept soundly and deeply, and far into the morning! That is highly unusual for her. I wonder what attribute of sulfamethoxazole contributes to this wonderful side effect? I'd guess my child would be considered "higly active" although I've had her tested for ADD/ADHD and she was not found to be either. Due to her newfound ability to sleep well, her daytime behaviour is also markedly changed for the better. Can anybody explain this?

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Structure wrong?
The Structure differs from what I found during a brief research. It seems improbable having a C involved in two double bonds and one single bonds--84.148.117.73 13:51, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

 * New structure uploaded. --Shaddack 21:41, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Avoid sunlight?
I was curious as to why on the pill box label it says to avoid prolonged exposure to sunlight while taking this medication. Should it be noted in the article? JudgeOmega (talk) 02:14, 23 April 2009 (GMT)

Question about this medication
Does this medication have sulfer in it? Because I am allergic to sulfer medication. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.138.210.141 (talk) 01:28, 24 July 2009 (UTC) Soccer is awesome — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.89.108.171 (talk) 22:45, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

11/4/15 The intended focus of the edits was to
1) verify the authenticity of information provided in the original article on sulfamethazole, specifically the introduction, side effects, and mechanism of action

2) clarify that sulfamethazole is discontinued as a drug

3) provide a more relevant overview of the drug given it is discontinued as a single drug but still being marketed and used as part of a combination drug product but without overlapping too much on the wiki entry on the combination drug Bactrim

4) provide the above information based on what intel that could be reliably found given the prescribing information for sulfamethazole us no longer attainable from the manufacturer or the FDA since it is a discontinued drug and given that paid tertiary resources like Lexi-comp and Micromedex were not acceptable for this assignment. Futhermore, we understood that compendia like Lexi-comp and Micromedex, were not original sources of drug information (since they derive much of their information usually by reinterpreting the PI) and therefore would not be the best source of information on this drug. We felt a package insert (PI) on the drug or even deriving information on the sulfamethazole API (active pharmaceutical ingredient) from the combination drug Bactrim's PI would be better since it is a primary resource or rather an original source of information. We also referenced NIH sponsored websites such as Toxnet which containing well referenced primary research and Pubchem. We also used information from a Canadian government sponsored drug database named drugbank and also double-checked if the FDA website had any additional information on sulfamethazole.

5) add a pharmacokinetics (PK) overview to the drug since PK is an important aspect of all drugs and this section was missing — Preceding unsigned comment added by ElenaChan4 (talk • contribs) 02:01, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Peer Review
Here are some things to consider:

-Typo under side effects-missing an “e” in “therefore” -Under mechanism of action, explain what bacteriostatic means? Also explain further that sulfonamides are selective for bacteria because humans don’t synthesis folate but rather absorb folate from our foods. -Under absorption, may help to put % absorbed/bioavailability? -Under distribution explain tmax

Hkay03 (talk) 21:28, 7 November 2015 (UTC)Helen Kay, Christine Ly, Jason Kirkwood, Sean Moshrefi (Group 3)

Response to Peer Review
Thank you for you feedback.

For the PK section:

 * The term "Tmax" has updated accordingly. It is now defined as "time to reach maximum drug concentration in plasma."

 * Bioavailability data, however, has not been incorporated into this article since bioavailblity data (F) has not been found for sulfamethoxazole as a single API (active pharmaceutical agent). Although bioavailbility of sulfamethoxazole CO-FORMULATED with trimethoprim does exist as Bactrim's F, we felt using Bactrim's bioavaility data would be inaccurate for sulfamethoxazole. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ElenaChan4 (talk • contribs) 07:35, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

New study on resistance mechanisms
There's a new study out in Nature Communications today that details how Streptococcus is able to develop antibiotic resistance to sulfamaethoxazole. Surprisingly, it seems that it steals the inhibited folate compounds from its host! Silver seren C 01:03, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Is it helpful with bacteria infection in your body such as endocarditis endocarditis
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I do apologize. Being in school most of my life, if we state our sources, everything is fine. Even if it happens to be published over the internet, sources make it ok. And even if you do directly state something without changing it to your own words, sources make it ok. I didn't realize the rules here, but I do know them now. Jerichoholic 05:48, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Hey Jerichoholic, please stop adding the summaries of the Shaw books to Wikipedia. I've had to mark them as copyright violations, as the summaries are not released under the GFDL. You can write your own, however. humblefool® 05:30, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jarred walton

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The result of the debate was delete. Joyous (talk) 17:15, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

Jarred walton
Not notable. TheCoffee 05:30, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Several good articles linked from the page; writes for a major web site.  What else is required to be a journalist?  User:Jarredwalton
 * The above unsigned vote is from the subject of the article. TheCoffee 06:42, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Speedy delete under new criterion or kick it over to a user page. Silence, sockpuppets! - Lucky 6.9 06:06, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what the "new criterion" are or what qualifies for journalist. I have moved the content to my user page, however, so if writing articles that millions have read is not sufficient to be a journalist, go ahead and delete. Besides, I didn't capitalize my last name on the page name.  --Jarred Walton
 * The article does assert notability of a sort, so I don't think this qualifies for CSD A7. A и D я 01D  TALK  EMAIL  17:10, July 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * "Read by millions"? Permit me to doubt. Delete. --Calton | Talk 08:10, July 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - notability of subject not established. Barnabypage 15:11, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, writing for a website doesn't do it for me; even if the website were notable (haven't checked into it so can't say), the question is, is this individual notable? Write a book or something.  Dcarrano 16:27, July 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Vanity, not notable. See also Kristopher Kubicki. A и D я 01D  TALK  EMAIL  17:08, July 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Gamaliel 18:57, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn vanity. -- Etacar11   23:50, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge with Anandtech and keep the redirect. This kind of merge can be done easily and takes much less collective effort than a VfD; it also has the advantage of retaining verifiable information relevant to the article merged into. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 17:24, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

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