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This Isn't Me

This Isn't Me is an album by the band 411, released in 1991 (see 1991 in music).

Track listing
All songs by Murphy/O'Mahony unless otherwise noted.
 * 1) "Face the Flag" – 2:53
 * 2) "Blackout" – 2:33
 * 3) "This Isn't Me" – 3:07
 * 4) "Self Help" – 2:15
 * 5) "Destroy the Dream" – 1:50
 * 6) "The Naked Face" – 3:16
 * 7) "Those Homophobic" – 2:10
 * 8) "Our Father" – 3:06
 * 9) "Show Me" (O'Mahony, Stanton) – 2:41
 * 10) "Carnal Knowledge" (O'Mahony, Stanton) – 2:51

Personnel

 * Donnell Cameron - Engineer, Producer
 * 411 - Main Performer
 * Kevin Murphy - Guitar, Vocals (Background)
 * Josh Stanton - Bass, Vocals (Background)
 * Gavin Oglesby - Vocals (Background)
 * Aaron Silverman - Vocals (Background)
 * Mike Murphy - Vocals (Background)
 * Dave Smalley - Vocals (Background)
 * Billy Rubin - Vocals (Background)
 * Mario Reza - Vocals (Background)
 * Mario Rubalcaba - Drums, Vocals (Background)
 * John Yates - Logo
 * Dan O'Mahony - Artwork, Vocals, Photography, Layout Design, Cover Photo, Vocals (Background)
 * Dave Mandel - Photography

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You can get the lat/lon coords of all the stations using the MassGIS data. They even have the Silver Line in there. There are the coords for the stops, as well as the coords that make up the routes.

(from another post on the subject). Turns out, it’s fairly easy to convert the MassGIS data (get it here: http://www.mass.gov/mgis/mbta.htm ) using Linux. You can use the GDAL library tools to convert the ERSI shape file to GML in the WGS84 Datum (lat/lon embedded in friendly XML).

In Debian, I did: sudo apt-get install gdal-bin mkdir mbta/ cd mbta unzip mbta_shp.exe ogr2ogr -t_srs WGS84 -f GML MBTA_NODE.gml MBTA_NODE.shp

and voila! With a little code, that can be imported - complete with placenames.

(copied from my comments at MojoDNA.) http://mojodna.net/2005/04/21/ongoing-mbta-work/#comment-53

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Aschersleben

Aschersleben is a town in the Salzlandkreis district, in Saxony-Anhalt, Germany. It is situated approximately 22 km east of Quedlinburg, and 45 km northwest of Halle (Saale).

Geography
Aschersleben lies near the confluence of the rivers Eine and Wipper. The town Aschersleben consists of Aschersleben proper and the following Ortschaften or municipal divisions:

 * Drohndorf
 * Freckleben
 * Groß Schierstedt
 * Klein Schierstedt
 * Mehringen
 * Neu Königsaue
 * Schackenthal
 * Schackstedt
 * Westdorf
 * Wilsleben
 * Winningen

Pre-20th century
Aschersleben was first mentioned in 753, making it the oldest town of Saxony-Anhalt. The Latin name of the town's castle, Ascharia, provided the name of the House of Ascania. It obtained municipal status in 1266 and achieved the right to build a city wall with defense towers in 1322. Nearly the whole medieval city wall is well-preserved and 15 towers can still be visited today. From 1252–1315 Aschersleben was the capital of Anhalt-Aschersleben, after which it passed to the Bishopric of Halberstadt. In 1426 Aschersleben became a member of the Hanseatic League and due to hop trade an economic boom started. The soil around Aschersleben was very good for cultivating hop, and a special market place (Hopfenmarkt, Hop Market) was laid out for hop trade. In the centre of Aschersleben a place called Hopfenmarkt still exists today. After the 1648 Peace of Westphalia, it became part of the Principality of Halberstadt. Aschersleben became part of the Prussian Province of Saxony in 1815.

Nazi Germany
A Junkers serial fuselage production facility was located in Aschersleben during the time of Nazi Germany. In April 1935 tools were transferred to Aschersleben, and by May 1935 the first fuselages were built there. The facility was located in the Wilslebener Strasse 9 near the so-called Seewiesen, where an airfield was erected as well. The Aschersleben shop area reached 564,000 square metres and about 6,000 people were employed at it.

During World War II, a subcamp of the Buchenwald concentration camp was located in the town. It was established to provide slave labour for Junkers (aircraft) and Motorenwerk (automotive). Aschersleben suffered considerable bomb damage from 1940 to 1945, especially on 31 May 1945 when the railway station, several factories and the residential area Johannisvorstadt were destroyed. About 20% of the town were destroyed during nine air raids.

Since July 1944 about 950 KZ prisoners were forced to work at the Junkers Flugzeugwerke in Aschersleben. In April 1945 the production was ceased. On 17 April U.S. forces occupied Aschersleben, but on 23 May the town was handed over to the British forces and later on 1 July it was finally handed over to the Soviets.

Aschersleben was bombed on the following dates during the war:
 * 1 April 1942 first British bomb attack
 * 16 January 1945
 * 14 February 1945
 * 20 February 1944 U.S. day attack, failed target due to cloudy weather
 * 27 February 1945
 * 20 March 1945
 * 31 March 1945, more than 80 persons lost their lives
 * 11 April 1945, 17 persons lost their lives in the hospital which was heavily damaged by bombs, and 22 died when a house in Blumenstraße was hit by bombs.
 * 14 April 1945

At the end of World War II Junkers-Aschersleben was mostly intact and the production was just changing for the production of the jet fighter Heinkel He 162. Most installations were dismantled and transferred to Kiev in the Soviet Union by the Soviets in 1946. The remaining facility buildings at Aschersleben were later used by VEB Kombinat Fritz Heckert. Today the area is used by Schiess AG.

Post-1945
Aschersleben was part of East Germany until 1990, when it became part of Saxony-Anhalt during German reunification. On 1 January 2008, the former municipalities of Drohndorf, Freckleben and Mehringen were incorporated into Aschersleben. On 1 January 2009, the former municipalities of Groß Schierstedt, Neu Königsaue, Schackenthal and Westdorf were absorbed, and the Verwaltungsgemeinschaft Aschersleben/Land was disbanded. On 1 January 2010 Schackstedt was incorporated.

Architecture and Sights
Several architectural styles are represented in Aschersleben. The historic centre is dominated by romanesque (Grauer Hof), gothic (St. Stephani Church), renaissance (Town hall, Krukmannsches Haus) and baroque architecture.

There is a ring of buildings in neoclassical and Jugendstil styles around the historic Old Town. This, in turn, is surrounded and interspersed with buildings of early modernism like the Heckner-Bauten and buildings from the GDR era. Large new areas are mainly in the north and south-east of the town.

Aschersleben is one of few German towns showing large segments (1.8 kms) of the medieval city wall (originall 2.2 kms) preserved through the centuries, although often integrated into later residential buildings. The city wall defines a promenade ring around the historic Old Town. Originally there were five gates in the city wall, but all but one (Johannistor) were demolished in the 19th century. Several towers were demolished as well, but out of 51 towers and bastions there are still 15 existing. The eleven towers which can be visited are the following:
 * Johannistorturm (built in 1380, 42 metres) above Johannis Gate
 * Turm am Marsfeld (1443, 26 metres) which can be climbed during guided tours
 * Liebenwahnscher Turm (1442, 27 metres) which was above Liebenwahnsches Gate (demolished in 1831)
 * Rondell (1507, diameter measuring 17 metres)
 * Stumpfer Turm (1440, 23 metres) which can be climbed during guided tours
 * Spitze Bastion (1467) which was used as a prison for some time
 * Große Schale (1436, 12 metres, diameter of 8.5 metres, with 12 loop-holes)
 * Schale an der Luisenpromenade (1442, 16 metres)
 * Zwinger (1461)
 * Rabenturm (1442, 31 metres, with 21 loop-holes) which can be climbed during guided tours
 * Schmaler Heinrich (1442, very small basis measuring 6x6 metres) which can be climbed during guided tours

St. Stephani Church is a protestant church which was built in the 14th century in a gothic style with three naves. It is close to the Town Hall dating from 1517 to which various oriel windows and wings were added in the 19th and 20th centuries.

St. Margarethen Church is a Roman Catholic church which was built around 1100 and mentioned in a document in 1303 for the first time. In 1410 it burnt down and was not rebuilt before 1586. Its baptismal font dates from 1587. Sometimes it is called Marktkirche (Market Church) or Heilig-Kreuz-Kirche (Church of the Holy Cross)

There are few half-timbered buildings in the old town of Aschersleben. The reasons for this is the availability of good stone material and the absence of large forests in the vicinity, as well as numerous fires before the 16th century. Nevertheless, there are numerous buildings, which are partly half-timbered, usually the upper floors. One of the oldest buildings is Lederer Bräustübl, a former brewery which was built in 1512 and enlarged in 1600 when a renaissance oriel window with stone carvings was added. Grauer Hof dating from the 12th century is considered to be the oldest house in town, and Krukmannsches Haus is a renaissance house built in 1572 the half-timbered upper floor of which was added later.

One of the most interesting fountains is Kuntzebrunnen dating from 1904 which consists of a sandstone column, three candelabrums, four lions and four basins. It was donated by the owners of a soap factory, Gustav Carl Kuntze (1852–1923) and his brother Emil Robert Kuntze (1860–1930) who lived in the street where it was erected. The place named after a former medieval city gate which was demolished is called "Vor dem Hohen Tor".

Parks
Herrenbreite is the largest park in the town center. It was laid out in the 15th century as shooting-grounds and restructured in 2010 when the Landesgartenschau Exhibition took place in Saxony Anhalt. There are various fountains, sculptures and memorials in the park. The most famous sculpture is the Moon Sculpture dating from 2010.

Twin towns – sister cities
Aschersleben is twinned with:
 * 🇫🇮 Kerava, Finland
 * 🇩🇪 Peine, Germany
 * 🇸🇰 Trenčianske Teplice, Slovakia

Notable people

 * Adam Olearius (1599–1671), writer and diplomat.
 * Johann Esaias Silberschlag (1721–1791), theologian and scientist
 * Johann August Ephraim Goeze (1731–1793), zoologist
 * Franz Körte (1782–1845), natural and agricultural scientist
 * Wilhelm Friedrich Wieprecht (1802–1872), composer.
 * Rudolf Christian Böttger (1806–1881), inorganic chemist
 * Martin Schmidt (1863–1947), geologist and paleontologist
 * Robert Leffler (1866–1940), actor and singer
 * Gerd von Rundstedt (1875–1953), World War II general, field marshal
 * Richard Schoenfeld (1884–1956), sculptor and painter
 * Theodor Osterkamp (1892–1975), Navy pilot in World War I, Luftwaffe Commodore in World War II
 * Walter Andreas Schwarz (1913–1992), singer, writer, comedian, radio playwright and translator
 * Lilo Ramdohr (1913–2013), member of the anti-fascist group White Rose.
 * Ernst Klodwig (1903–1973), Formula 1 driver
 * Helmut Stein (born 1942), footballer

Wendell Lewis Willkie (1892–1944) was the Republican Party (GOP) nominee for the 1940 presidential election. Born Lewis Wendell Willkie in Elwood, Indiana, he was the son of Herman Willkie, a German immigrant from Aschersleben.

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Education in HK -> Exams
"'However, the local system is publicly recognized as much more in depth than their British counterparts and a distinction in the GCSE is almost only equivelent to a credit in the HKCEE.'"

I removed the above from anonymous contributor 62.97.220.66 for the following reasons:

 * It is an oft-held opinion (which I happen to agree with) but is not backed up by any studies.
 * There is no such thing as a "distinction" in the GCSE; it is graded A, B, C, D, E and U.
 * I would argue it is not the content that differs; it is the grading - it is much much easier to get an A in GCSE than in HKCEE - but this is a moot point because:
 * Students taking GCSE + GCE A-Level and/or HKCEE + HKALE can end up in the same universities and have pretty much the same knowledge and achieve pretty much the same results which suggest it is a matter of the way GCSE is taught vs HKCEE.

(A similar point can be made of GCE A-Level versus American college exams - but even then, it is different as GCE A-Levels can count towards credits in some American universities and in some cases may even allow a fresh student to skip the freshman year)

Thus I feel the above inclusion is unnecessary and POV statement for a featured article. It would be more appropriate in the Education in Hong Kong page, if sources can be found to back it up. --Mintchocicecream 18:21, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, this is a general view of Hong Kong people. -- Jerry Crimson Mann 18:36, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

 * So is something like "dentists are most likely to commit suicide". Needs a source; and better inside Education in HK anyway.  --Mintchocicecream 18:42, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

 * In fact, difficult to find a source for general view. -- Jerry Crimson Mann 18:54, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Very true; though I'm a bit uncertain about including something that is not sourced; in particular a statement as strong as "publicly recognized as much more in depth" (by whom?) and "almost only equivalent to a credit in the HKCEE" (simply not true, when most universities (yes, unfairly) take GCSE A grade = HKCEE A grade).

 * Furthermore, I still believe my other points justify its exclusion from the main body of the HK article - it focuses on one single exam and in a comparative context - hardly a concern to the average Hongkonger. If it was to be included I suggest something included after the sentence ending "two-year matriculation course leading to the Hong Kong Advanced Level Examinations.":

 * "While the two examinations are equivalent to the system of GCSE and A-level, they are consistently harder than the British equivalent; with only XX% of HKCEE students gaining 'pass' grades of A-E compared to XX% of GCSE students gaining 'pass' grades of A*-C."

 * The reason my version is much better is because it is both justified and quantified. --Mintchocicecream 21:32, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree Mintchoc. We can also say that according to experience of many applicants to schools and universities in the UK, their HKALE results are given concessions by the institutions for the purposes of calculation and comparison with the GCE AL, instead of taking as direct equivalence. — Instantnood 12:47, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

 * Just a supply of materials: approx 4% get A in HKCEE, while approx 10% get A* in GCSE. De ryc  k C.  13:46, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Grade boundaries do vary each year, however, for science subjects, is about as follows: GCSE, an A is somewhat between 60%over to 70%over. About 30% candidates from 2005 archieved A or A*. HKCEE, an A is normally around 90%, does not change a lot.

Not only that the boundaries look scary. HKCEE syllabus has a lot more than GCSE In maths, HKCEE candidates are expected to know Calculus, however in UK, Calculus is not introduced until As-level "Further Maths" and (I think) is not available in "Maths". Hong Kong students learn "Total Internal Refraction" etc, in "lenses" in form3 (that's year 9 in UK), however, "Total Internal Refraction" is not intruduced to candidates until As-level. In Chemistry, sixth form students in Hong Kong have to learn Quantum Theory together with the introduction of atomic sub-shells s, p, d, f. But UK candidates do not need to know Quantum Theory.

I knew all these because I bought the HKCEE past papers, and they include the charts. And I myself did GCSE in 2005. jynx 21:30, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Sport?
Is it normal for a featured article appearing on the main page at the moment to have a stub section? It's not just a stub, it's a one sentence long lone. We should either remove it or expand it (the second being the better choice, of course). --TodorBozhinov 09:28, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest to move it to a stub article, and to expand it there. — Instantnood 09:34, September 7, 2005 (UTC)
 * Good. D  e  ryc  k C.  10:20:39, 2005-09-07 (UTC)
 * Perhaps move it to sport in Hong Kong, following the format of sport in the United Kingdom, sports in Canada, sport in New Zealand and sports in the United States, for instance. :-) — Instantnood 10:34, September 7, 2005 (UTC)
 * Just do it lah!!!! D  e  ryc  k C.  10:36:01, 2005-09-07 (UTC)
 * Doing... done~ — Instantnood 10:38, September 7, 2005 (UTC)
 * Whoppee!!! D  e  ryc  k C.
 * Hey guys I was the user that put this section - since I have an interest in the Commonwealth Games, and there Hong Kong no longer competes, so I had to put something in a Hong Kong section. Thanks for moving it to a better location. I will add more information to this part - can those of you who are in Hong Kong add more information about the other sports activities in Hong Kong.  Cheers.  Rhyddfrydol 21:09, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much Rhyddfrydol. :-) — Instantnood 07:39, September 9, 2005 (UTC)

Some bug...
When I tried to click Hong Kong today, it showed up the page Randy West and I'm logged out... Help... D  e  ryc  k C.  15:46:40, 2005-09-07 (UTC)

Uncomplicated title and pronunciation
I've changed the actual lead title to just Hong Kong, since the full official name is simply never used outside of official or extremely formal situations. The status of Hong Kong as a SAR is very clearly explained in the first sentence following the Chinese and pronunciation links, making the title look nothing short of clumsy in it's full form. Especially when the infobox clearly states the full name right at the top in huge bold letters.

Also, I've redirected the quite misleading sub-stub pronunciation of Hong Kong in English here. PZFUN mistook the idea of having pronunciation files for an attempt to make English people pronounce Hong Kong in Mandarin or Cantonese. They're there only to inform of the pronunciation in Chinese and is not an attempt to force non-English diction on the average reader.

Peter Isotalo 16:20, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

 * But I do suggest you to refer to articles of other countries and territories before making any changes to the full name mentioned in the introduction. Besides, the popular name is already used as the title of the article. The same goes for Australia, Russia, even for Jersey and hundreds of other articles, even with full name enscribed in template on the right. Please do think twice before attempting to do so. --Carlsmith 16:47, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

 * How about applying some common sense instead? It's one thing to include Russian Federation in a title. Including the full-name monstrosity that is the full official name in the lead when it's status is explained in the very same sentence with the very same words is being more concerned more about guidelines than readability. This seems like the absolute best example of where an exception should be made. Could someone object to this on grounds other than "other articles do it"?
 * Peter Isotalo 17:00, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I consider this kind of auto-revert behavior very inappropriate. Especially when it's a rather obivous auto-revert that disregards other changes. Either revert only that which is relevant or don't revert at all. This is a good way to start an editing war, not to reach a reasonable decision.
 * Peter Isotalo 17:07, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I assume that you do bear a positive mind when you performed that edit which "shortened" the name mentioned in the introduction. I would never try to start an edit war with such a reasonable editor, which I suppose, would be inappropriate. But a more appropriate and reasonable action would be to ask for a third opinion, preferably in the first place before making such a drastic edit to the article, as the situation has existed since this article was established. The fact that this is a featured article also means that every change must be carefully carried out "without compromising previous work".

 * But all is not lost. A third opinion is hereby requested on the appropriate address of the city in the introduction. No further changes should be made concerning the issue without reaching a consensus.

 * Besides, the auto-revert you have mentioned also concerns the deletion of a paragraph by 216.16.239.146 in the history section . If that bothers you, I shall express my deepest regrets for any misunderstanding that may have caused.
 * Carlsmith 17:32, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

 * This has nothing to do with the anon user's unmotivated removal of info. That should be reverted because its obviously not a constructive edit.
 * I don't see this as the least bit controversial. To me it just seems as one of those situations where a common guideline simply craps up the article and should be disregarded; that's why it's a guideline rather than policy. It's not as if I'm trying to steer the article towards any sort of political POV. I'm just trying to de-clutter the lead and avoid a seperate article for pronunciations that aren't the least bit contoversial. I've also requested Jerry Crimson Mann to record a file that simply says "Hong Kong" (in Cantonese) rather than the full name to compliment the full title-recording.
 * Peter Isotalo 18:01, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

As I do assume good faith in your behaviour, might you consider:
 * The Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China (Chinese: 中華人民共和國香港特別行政區, commonly known as Hong Kong 香港 pronunciation) is a dependent territory/Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China...

The full name should still be mentioned as:

First of all, it doesn't hurt mentioning the full title of the city once in the article text. If it weren't of great importance to the article, it wouldn't be chosen as the official name.

Secondly, don't we need to care about those using text-based web browsers that don't support tables at all? Or those reading on an alternative medium that doesn't support templates in-line like WikiReader? You will not be able to tell those reader the title just by putting in the template. It just will not show up. Wouldn't that inhibit their right to access of information when compared to other country articles?

Finally, it's the custom. You have dismissed it, but it's still the custom.

Carlsmith 18:18, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

I agree with Carlsmith's view that the full name of this entity should exist in its opening line as is the established convention in wikipedia, and that includes the full Chinese name as well for reference.--Huaiwei 18:46, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Hello Peter I would say it is the Wikipedia standard for country articles to include the full name on the first line. It is also a Wikipedia guideline to include names in other languages, and for non Roman letter-based languages, romanisation. The article on pronunciation is to make the first line less bulky, and to present that piece of information in a better layout. You may not agree with it, but frankly here is not the right place to propose to change the conventions. — Instantnood 06:56, September 8, 2005 (UTC)

 * I was hoping to see a discussion that wasn't about Wikipedia guidelines as an object in of themselves for once. I guess I was hoping for too much. Rather than applying a modicum of common sense and not viewing guidelines as the absolute policy documents that they never were meant to be, you're claiming that we have to stick to convention... well... because it's convention.
 * Consensus obviously will decide this, but I vehemently oppose any type of sub-page for pronunciations. I'd rather see no pronunciation files at all than invite the establishement of a whole new breed of pointless pronunciation sub-stubs.
 * Peter Isotalo 14:36, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Momentary appearance of dubious adult oriented material
Adult oriented and dubious text appeared momentarily in HK page (20050908). Shocked - was trying to fix it (am newbie) but then it went away while I was trying to how to delete/revert.

Whoever fixed it. Thanks. - 210.84.215.153 00:53, September 8, 2005 (UTC)

 * I assume you meant this material. It was reverted two minutes later by .  If you're interested, you may want to consider signing up for an account. Cheers. :-) Tomer TALK  03:31, September 8, 2005 (UTC)

Article for deletion
It would appear that Karmosin has listed Pronunciation of Hong Kong on articles for deletion. The voting page is here: Articles for deletion/Pronunciation of Hong Kong. I find this a move to disregard all discussion that's taken place on this talk page. I think we should all oppose it.  Páll  (Die pienk olifant) 14:40, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Páll, please read the discussion here and make an honest effort to participate instead of engaging in indirect and skewed polemics like this. So far you seem to have either not understood or completely disregarded my motivations for opposing separate pronunciation pages.
 * Peter Isotalo 15:19, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I have read and understood them, but I completely disagree with them.  Páll  (Die pienk olifant) 16:00, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Hope it's not deleted. D  e  ryc  k C.  10:06, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

To return to the name of Hong Kong in the first sentence
Páll, please note that Peter expressed doubt about the validity of the separate Pronunciation of Hong Kong stub on its talk page as early as March; if you're imputing some underhand motive to him in AFD'ing it now, I reject that notion out of hand. Peter, please don't imply dishonesty by exhorting to honesty, that hardly ever has any good result. All right. I can only agree with Peter that "The Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China (...), is a Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China" is a pretty bad opening sentence. If it's considered essential to open with the official full name, then let's leave out the repetition. How about this for a first paragraph: "The Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China (...) is located on the southeastern coast of China."? The links in the bolded name aren't elegant, I grant you (I actually prefer Peter's version), but it seems to me better than saying the whole thing twice. Bishonen | talk 19:47, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
 * But it doesn't work if we put the text back. D  e  ryc  k C.  09:00:04, 2005-09-12 (UTC)

Just for the record, I am restoring the full Chinese names into the article. Makes no sense for us to restore the English one, and not the Chinese.--Huaiwei 09:36, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

 * There are several ways of handling the native name in several country articles. If you take a look at Iraq, Iran and Egypt, they avoid cluttering the lead with the official native name and put it above the infobox along with the pronunciation link. Placing the pronunciation link in the infobox was my idea, but only because the native name was already there. This is a lot smoother and avoids crapping up the lead with a lot of long parenthisized names and variants that are repeated elsewhere anyway. Here's what the lead would look like:

 * Hong Kong (香港, Cantonese:, Mandarin: ), is a Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China (PRC) located on the southeastern coast of China.

 * The full name would be kept above the infobox along with the romanizations (but only one each for Mandarin and Cantonese) and the pronunciation files.
 * Peter Isotalo 13:59, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

 * The articles of Egypt, Iran and Iraq all have the full name in the leading paragraph. I don't know any Persian or Arabic, but from the way the sound files are presented I would expect they are for the full native names of these countries. Unlike Pinyin which is having an official status in mainland China and several cities/counties of the ROC which mayors/magistrates are from the Kuomingtang, Cantonese has no official romanisation standard, and none of the romanisation methods is particularly popular. It may not be appropriate to use only one method of romanisation. — Instantnood 14:33, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

 * Please comment the actual proposal and avoid suggesting we should use anything other than Pinyin. Hong Kong belongs to the PRC, with or without a dual political system. This not an article about Taiwan. Also, please don't nitpick the other examples. We're discussing this article, not general guidelines. If you want all guidelines to be included as official policy, start lobbying for it. 'Til then, don't rules lawyer non-rules. That's not what they're intended for.
 * Peter Isotalo 15:04, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Pinyin has no official standard in Hong Kong. Even Mandarin is not having legal official standard. I'm not objecting to use Pinyin for one of the romanisations of Hong Kong's Chinese name in this article tho, since its the most popular standard. — Instantnood 16:24, September 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * You respond to my request for less rules lawyering with even more petty details? Since I know your editing history and disputes with other editors rather well I can't consider this either good faith or stupidity. Whatever it is, it's not constructive. You've accomplished your objective, though; I won't try to discuss this anymore. / Peter Isotalo 16:52, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

 * " Cantonese has no official romanisation standard, and none of the romanisation methods is particularly popular. It may not be appropriate to use only one method of romanisation. " was response to your comment " but only one each for Mandarin and Cantonese ". Petty? Perhaps.. — Instantnood 17:03, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

 * To the current information, Jyutping is currently the most widelt-accepted Cantonese romanization form. However, there are debates within the jyutping talking about if the -t, -k and -p sounds should have their own tones 789 or let it become 136. D  e  ryc  k C.  08:19, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Well it's most widely used among the wikipedian community because it's the most easy to input. :-D It's having no official status in Hong Kong or anywhere, and is not particularly popular. — Instantnood 08:57, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

 * To say, Jyutping is the only (real) cantonese pronunciation guide available in form of Chinese input methods. D  e  ryc  k C.  09:15, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Eh? You mean input methods like Chang-jei? Is there a Jyutping method? The Cantonese-based input method I've heard about is based on the Hong Kong Government standard. — Instantnood 09:34, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
 * visit http://www.langcomp.com.hk for more. D  e  ryc  k C.  10:04, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks Deryck. :-) — Instantnood 10:09, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Just a question
I hope I'm doing this right. My question is: Is Hong Kong actually a city, or only the name of the Special Administrative Region? It had been pointed out to me, that it was only a region, but the 3 major cites (Kowloon, Victoria and Aberdeen?) are often referred to as the city of Hong Kong. Is that correct? Horrorkid64 15:44, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
 * The meaning of city actually depends. As an administrative divisions, Hong Kong does not officially defined itself as a city, or any part of itself as city, though the official name of Victoria is the "City of Victoria", often called Victoria City, and in earlier text Victoria and Kowloon are sometimes called twin city. The administrative structure in mainland China is not extended to Hong Kong (and Macao). If you're taking about city as we speak, which means any metropolitan area or urban place, Hong Kong is usually known as a city, but its built-up area is not actually that contiguous (and that's why sometimes different parts of it, for instance, new towns in the New Territories, are described as cities or towns). — Instantnood 16:24, September 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * Victoria and Aberdeen can be referred to as "cities", but Kowloon is simply a peninsula with a big number of towns. D  e  ryc  k C.  09:16, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
 * In older texts Kowloon never includes New Kowloon, and Kowloon itself is like one contiguous urban place. The only town I can think of is Kwun Tong, which was originally planned as a satellite city in the 50s. Mei Foo Sun Chuen at the time it was built was also quite outlying. — Instantnood 09:32, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Heh, that Kwun Tong town is where I'm living D  e  ryc  k C.  10:05, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I thought you're living somewhere round Lam Tin. :-D — Instantnood 10:09, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
 * You're correct. I'm living in Lam Tin, however Lam Tin is an extension of the Kwun Tong town. D  e  ryc  k C.  09:04, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Perhaps. Not everyone agrees Lam Tin is part of Kwun Tong. :-P — Instantnood 15:34, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

For the sake of all, can MSN/ICQ-like conversations like the above be cut to the minimum in all future correspondance in wikipedia for the sake of greater productivity in discussions and to maintain its editorial standards? I do not think discussing over where a wikipedian lives really contribute much to this discussion. Thank you.--Huaiwei 14:27, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Let's move to the     namespace.  D  e  ryc  k C.  11:22, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Comment on data
The first sentence in "Demographics" states that "...reaching about 7.1 million by 2000.". The figure of population is different from that in the table, which shows "Population - Total (2005) 6,898,686". Samuel 13:08, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Should be 6.8M, I think. D  e  ryc  k C.  14:12, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Many Hong Kong people were executed by the Japanese army during the war?
An anonymous editor added the line "Many Hong Kong people were executed by the Japanese army during the war". This is absolutely true, but I don't see how such a vague statement can belong in an encyclopedia. Does anyone have any data on this? It would read a lot better if it said "XXXXX people died in the war, of which XXXXX were executed by the Japanese army".

Without the data, I think the sentence is better removed, as after all there's already a link to (excellent) main article on the Japanese occupation of Hong Kong.--Mintchocicecream 09:16, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

IT sector in HK
Hi! I'm a graduate of Computer Science who currently works as an information analyst here in the Philippines. I am planning to go to Hong Kong to find employment there. But I'm not sure if this is the right time to do so. I'm sort of worried about my chances there. I wanted to know the status of the information technology sector in Hong Kong. Thanks! --Apple_1980

Romanisation
Hi all, I edited the romanisation stuff according to the Manual of Style.

And I put in romanisations for the full name "中華人民共和國香港特別行政區" instead of simply for "香港". Imagine someone who doesn't speak Chinese at all, comes to this article, sees the ultra-long full name for Hong Kong in Chinese, but realises that the romanisations are as short as two syllables (Xiānggǎng, hoeng1 gong2, Heūng góng)! Wouldn't make any sense, huh? When the full name of Hong Kong is provided, I think we should be consistent with the romanisation.

The exception is the Yale romanisation. My computer cannot open the voice file that comes with it (HKSAR.ogg). Therefore I have no idea whether it plays "香港" or "中華人民共和國香港特別行政區". Even if I do, I have no idea how this Yale thing works... better not mess with it! So if you do know Yale romanisation, please help with it!

Thanks! 199.111.230.195 04:30, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I strongly disagree with further spoiling of the article layout by the insertion of even mre transcription trivia. There's been reasonable compromises suggested to solve the currently rather sub-standard layout a few threads above. How about working with that instead of cluttering up every China-related in sight?
 * Peter Isotalo 08:07, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I have a little experience with Yale romanisation, but I can never remember how the accents work so I still have to look them up. Will do this when I get home from work.  Hong Qi Gong 15:37, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Suggestions for intro
IMHO, as an ignorant observer, it is totally redundant to say "The Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China....is a Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China (PRC)" - that's the sentence once you strip the chinese characters etc out.

The opening sentence being painful to parse, might I suggest you just change it to "Hong Kong is a SAR of the PRC", proceed with the intro, then immediately afterwards have a "names" section where you detail all the other names in the various languages etc? It's really a bit over the top atm. I'm not at all qualified to make changes here (not speaking Chinese or knowing anything about Hong Kong), but there's my $0.02. Stevage 00:26, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your suggestion. The same matter is actually brought up from time to time. It's like a dilenma. Almost all country articles begins with the full names of the countries, such as "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" and "Commonwealth of Australia". "Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China" is its official full name. — Instantnood 07:43, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Map request
Could someone create a map for this article showing Hong Kong's location in relation to the Guangdong province, as in the Shanwei article? Badagnani 06:51, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Hong Kong is not part of Guangdong, while Shanwei is. — Instantnood 07:44, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I already knew that, but that is not what I was proposing. Nowhere in the Hong Kong article is it made clear with the use of a map where Hong Kong is located in comparison to its surrounding regions of China. All we see are large maps showing only Hong Kong and Shenzhen. For educational purposes (please be aware that not everyone who uses this site is as familiar with Hong Kong's location in relation to Guangdong as those who work on this article regularly), I am asking that a map be added to the article showing Hong Kong's location in relation to the Guangdong province. The important information of Hong Kong's being situated near central coastal Guangdong, near Guangzhou and the Pearl River is not made clear. A map similar to that at Shanwei, maybe also showing Hong Kong's proximity to Macau, would be helpful (of course not implying that Hong Kong is part of Guangdong province). It's similar to having a map of Washington, D.C. and showing its proximity to neighboring Maryland and Virginia. Without that context, a large map of Washington, D.C. city only doesn't provide the complete information necessary for readers. Badagnani 22:36, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

I might try to make the map that you requested. But I would like to have the opinion of you guys about the following points: - Alan 00:21, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Should this new map be used to replace the current locator map in the info box?
 * Is it okay if the new map is not derived from this map?
 * Is it okay if the colour scheme of the new map is not the same as the currect locator map in the info box? (Because I don't want to use grey and green.)

Politics and government, end of year cleanup
This section needs to be culled of current events from 2005. These events are notable, but need to be moved to the more relevant dedicated articles. SchmuckyTheCat 01:52, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree. It feels more and more like a hack job as the year goes on.  See whether anyone's willing to do it though :P  --Mintchocicecream 16:00, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Not objective
Caution!

This article is being managed by Beijing loyalists. They constantly watch for any content which is in opposition to the communist/totalitarian government of People's Republic of China and quickly edit it and/or delete it.

You are being warned to discount the political credibility of this article.

-- Unsigned comment by anonymous user, User:203.218.94.209

 * Can you list some objective reasons to support your views? You might also like to know this article is a featured article in Wikipedia.  --Mintchocicecream 05:58, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Economy
The article quite rightly mentions the extremely liberal economy and the success of this formula. However, mentioning it just as such might be slightly one-sided. Many sectors of the economy are completely cornered by big companies running duopolies etc. Supermarkets is a famous example. Another is of course the real estate developers. Former Governer Chris Patten tried to undo this one, but failed miserably --Prudentia 08:07, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Long Hair?
Will someone please fix the "Long Hair" joke?

Flag image
Someone has put the old colonial flag of Hong Kong in the history section. There must certainly be better images to cover the history of Hong Kong, and the flag image is pretty irrelevant to the area in discussion. Any other opinions?  Páll  (Die pienk olifant) 16:02, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * It is a good symbol to highlight HK's colonial history. Many other country articles have historic flags in thier history sections (eg Canada). Astrotrain 16:49, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Yes, but Canada's history sectionis much larger and has space for more images. If we only chose two images, is the former flag of Hong Kong really the best? 24.29.137.148 18:18, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

 * I didn't actually remove any images to place the flag image there. You could probably get at least pictures on the section anyway. Personally I think the historic colonial flag is a good representation for the fact that only 9 years ago, HK was a British colony. Astrotrain 18:30, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * While i think the colonial flag image is not inappropriate, I would like to see the images of an old fishing village painting of Hong Kong contrasted with the ultra modern vista of Victoria Harbour. That will definitely shows what history of Hong kong is all about. --Kvasir 19:34, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Moving to Hong Kong
Subheadings:

Land Phone systems
This is free to use locally and doesn't cost anything to have in your home, compared to the crap Aussie phones this is great. Enlil Ninlil 05:59, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Transport
Someone forgot the Important minibusses, these are just as important and numerous and other forms of transport.Enlil Ninlil 02:47, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Minibuses are mentioned there -- as "Public light buses". --Mintchocicecream 02:49, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Photographs
I have just spent a great amount of time trying to gather photographs for the entry about Hong Kong. Most are from the government website, including the Hong Kong Tourism Board, Trade Development Council, Antiquities and Monuments Office, etc. I think they represent a large part of Hong Kong and I hope they will be restored. Also the beautiful photo with central was found in a website. I wrote to the author and asked him to put it on wikipedia, and he said he will. Also can someone help me put license information for the photos please? What is the catagory if its government department photos?

Revision in Politics section
The text reads

'On 24 September 2005, twenty-five Hong Kong pro-democracy Legco members, some of whom were previously labelled as traitors by Beijing after the 1989 Tiananmen Square crackdown and barred from entering the mainland, crossed the border into the southern province of Guangdong, following an unprecedented invitation by the PRC [11]. The invitation was generally regarded as one of the greatest goodwill gestures from the PRC to the Hong Kong democrats since the Tiananmen Square massacre of 1989.'

It seems to me that that the last sentence here is poorly worded, making it sound as if the Tiananmen Square massacre was the previous good will gesture (and therefore, sounds kind of sarcastic).

--210.228.17.68 02:16, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Hong Kong action cinema
you may be interested to know the article Hong Kong action cinema is currently preparing to go for featured article status. at the moment, there is a peer review going on at Peer review/Hong Kong action cinema/archive1. as the editors of this article already have experience in creating an FA, your input is highly valued. thx! Zzzzz 21:07, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

fyi, the article is now featured! rgs, Zzzzz 11:02, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Great job. — Instantnood 11:56, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Old infobox
The old infobox template was deleted in Templates for Deletion. The infobox edit history and it's talk page were archived here: SchmuckyTheCat 10:03, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Talk:Hong Kong/Hong Kong infobox
 * Talk:Hong Kong/Hong Kong infobox/talk

 * Thanks. — Instantnood 21:12, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Population Density
How can there possibly be more people per square mile than square kilometer? The latter is smaller than the former. Probably just needs reversing, but I'm not sure. --Raj Fra 02:56, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

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Misc
"'' 'Tiger! Tiger! Burning bright, / in the forests of the night.'

''Blake wrote that. Apparently the tiger was on fire. Maybe his tail got struck by lightning or something.

Flammable felines - what a weird subject for poetry." --Calvin, Calvin and Hobbes

 * Hmm... I like it ;-) --Ihope127 14:11, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Blake means the vivid colour of the tiger - not that it is literally on fire!

Maybe its tail got roasted." --Qi Jing

 * Why does he rhyme "eye" with "Symmetry" they're kinda pushed to rhyme...
 * Back then, "symmetry" would have been pronounced "sim-mit-try," not "sim-mit-tree." Thorns Among Our Leaves 23:02, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It might be a bit of a push to make it rhyme but its certain that's how its supposed to read. When its quoted in various places within pop culture it get's misread over and over and its one of my absolute pet peeves. Honestly it's worth including in the main article that it's supposed to be read, it really is THAT commonly incorrectly said. I have no idea how people (especially actors) can read it and not know that its supposed to be "sim-mit-try". It doesn't even scan if the fourth line doesn't rhyme!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.152.33.54 (talk) 18:06, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Gay/Gigantism
Industrialization

Blake was one of the most noted gay poets and like them he saw the pastoral country side as idyllic and viewed industrialization as a blight.

The word "gay" (vandalism?) has an interwiki to "Gigantism." I have no idea what this meant to say originally. Thorns Among Our Leaves 23:02, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

If someone knows how to do references, David Erdmann's Prophet Against Empire will corroborate the French Revolution connection. CBR

The Lamb/The Tyger Homogenization
Considering the two poems' connections and similarities, the articles for them ought to be more homogeneous. Especially on whether or not to include a copy of the text in the article. Currently, The Lamb does, and The Tyger does not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.230.161.164 (talk) 23:34, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Slough Feg?
They have a song called "Tiger, Tiger!" that has the lines "The stars burn bright/In the forest of night/But what mortal hands and eyes will I see there?"

The last bit is a definite reference, as is the title... but does anyone know what the song has to do with the poem aside from those two references? I'm trying to figure out a connection (huge fan of Slough Feg here) but I can't find it. 98.200.52.17 (talk) 00:34, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Kraven's Last Hunt
There's a spider-man story called Kraven's Last Hunt where the first and last verse is kind of...covered. Tyger is replaced with spyder. I was wondering why it wasn't linked in the article, this article is linked in Kraven's Last Hunt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoopesk2 (talk • contribs) 04:50, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

The Poem
I cannot believe that I had to read the comments here, then go back and read the article searching for the link to the actual poem. Please remove your head from your arse and put at least the first verse here with a link"Click here to read more". ---anon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.29.63.16 (talk) 20:03, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Not including the quote because some other wiki**** decided that poems is within it's scope is silly.

It's like not displaying a picture because wikicommons already has it or an even better example: not displaying a quote because wikiquotes has it.

I don't know how to do this but I'd like to initiate a vote for whether the poem should be included or not.

--Leav (talk) 09:16, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I totally agree the poem MUST be part of then entry on one and similar poems. When I went back to my printed Encyclopedia given to me by my Mother, I found poem. If it can include poems and their history, so should this one. The only reason I'm not adding it is because this should occur globally and not on a case by case basis. --Bmoshier (talk) 21:49, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

 * Wikipedia is not a democracy. The fact is that "some other wiki****" didn't "decide" that the poem was within it's scope-- wikisource was created by the Wikimedia foundation for exactly this purpose. Sadly, many articles on Blake's poetry contain only the poem, with no critical commentary whatsoever. Lines that are commented upon in the body of the article can be included, but not the thing wholesale. If you want a second opinion, post on the Wikiproject poetry forum, but don't just keep adding the poem wholesale. There is precedent for this removal in many poetry articles, even when the poem is short-- see Strange fits of passion have I known or The Raven or Kubla Khan, for instance.  Litho  derm  14:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

 * Well, I guess I'll just have to agree to disagree. I really think that people browsing wikipedia would like to read the poem and not search for it elsewhere. at the very least there should be a prominent link to the wikisources page. also this is offtopic but to be blunt, if wikipedia is not a democracy, who died and made you the king of "The Tyger"? :) (please treat that as a question honestly geared at learning about how wikipedia works! :) --Leav (talk) 23:44, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * p.s the 3 edits were just minor changes (I only really added the poem once!)

 * Thanks for your understanding. I've moved the link to the top of the page, so it should be easier to see. All that "not a democracy" means is that we tend to discourage voting, which was your recommendation. Because this is the internet, people could easily create more than one account and vote multiple times (This is known as Sockpuppetry), or call upon all their internet friends to vote along with them (This is called Meatpuppetry- I didn't make up these names!). Wikipedia tends to go by the consensus of experienced editors, and on reasoned interpretation of policy. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, while Wikisource is a library- the distinction must be kept clear- imagine if the entire text of War and Peace were included in the wikipedia article! We also go by precedent- the precedent in this case is to remove the poem. If we start including text, we get into questions of how long is too long, etc, etc... it's better for it to have its own project. As to who died and left me king of The Tyger, I do have some experience with Blake articles on WP (not that it really matters)- pages I've almost entirely written include William Blake's Illustrations of the Book of Job, William Blake's illustrations of On the Morning of Christ's Nativity, and Template:William Blake. I don't mean to intimidate you, I just wanted to let you know. So, thanks again for asking, and I hope to see you around editing! Cheers,  Litho  derm  00:36, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

This is an encyclopedia article. We don't paste entire source works. Wikisource was made specifically to address this project-wide problem long ago. Green Cardamom (talk) 03:06, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

 * The decision to not include the text of the poem truly beggars belief, especially since a photo of it is on the same page. The justifications and "workarounds" given do not outweigh the absurdity of the matter at all -- they simply add to it.  -- Niightblade (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 05:03, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

This is an Essay
This "article" is not written like one. It is an essay through and through. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.68.216.196 (talk) 02:00, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Dramatic monologue .. simple introduction
Monologue is lengthy speech by a singal person. A charactora speaks a monologue the exprssion his or her private thought in a special topic. It is also call soliloque. it is used in drama or poem. Dramatic monologue haweever is not component in a play but a a type of lyric poem also used perfectly in pobert bronning my last dutchless —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.128.103.129 (talk) 10:31, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Monologue is lengthy speech by a signal person. A character speaks a monologue the expression his or her private thought in a special topic. It is also call soliloquies. it is used in drama or poem. Dramatic monologue however is not component in a play but a a type of lyric poem also used perfectly in pobert bronning my last ductless —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.128.103.129 (talk) 10:34, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Rhyme scheme
Every analysis of this poem that I can find mentions the structure of it and the simple AABB rhyme scheme. But none of them seem to notice that the first and last verses don't follow this scheme. "symmetry", in the way it is usually pronounced, doesn't rhyme with "eye". "symmetry" is usually pronounced so that it rhymes with "tree". So the first and last verses really have an AABC rhyme scheme. Unless you read it with a Birmingham or Black Country accent. Then "symmetry" does rhyme with "eye". But why should Blake, a Londoner who hardly ever left London, write a poem that only rhymes when it's read in a Black Country accent? -- SteveCrook (talk) 05:53, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

 * There's no need to assume that a certain accent must be used for this to rhyme. Some have speculated that at the time, "symmetry" really did rhyme with "eye". In any case, it's not uncommon for authors to use uncommon pronounciations to make a rhyme work.--RLent (talk) 16:02, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

 * Some have speculated that, to try to explain away the "elephant in the room" that nobody ever mentions about this poem :) Can anyone ever know what the common British accents were in the 1790s? There weren't many audio recording devices back then. Yes, some poets use "poetic language" or unusual pronunciations to get a rhyme. But this is taking that idea to an extreme that is so far away from the norm to by invisible -- SteveCrook (talk) 00:06, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * My take is that the "fearful symmetry" rhymes with "Did he who made the lamb make thee", from the second-to-last stanza, bringing a bit more emphasis to that line. Haj Ross wrote a 45-page paper about the poem where he goes on for a while about the impact of the "lamb" line.  (He says he wants to write a whole book about the poem.)  Interestingly he seems to have an engraving of "Songs of Experience" where the "lamb" line doesn't end with a question mark, and he goes on about that too.  (All the scans I could find in the Blake Archive had the question mark).  It could be cool to use some of the paper in the article; it's from here and the citation is:
 * The Taoing of a Sound – Phonetic Drama in William Blake’s The Tyger, In Patrizia Violi (ed.), Phonosymbolism and Poetic Language, Brepols, Turnhout, Belgium, pp. 99-145 (2000)
 * 69.111.194.167 (talk) 10:44, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
 * If the "fearful symmetry" in the last verse is intended to rhyme with "Did he who made the lamb make thee", how does this analysis explain the same lack of rhyme in the first verse? -- SteveCrook (talk) 18:59, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The same explanation, both uses of "symmetry" alliterate with "lamb make thee". Obviously it's a matter of interpretation (in this case something I thought up at the spur of the moment) but I think pronouncing "symmetry" as rhyming with "eye" doesn't work at all--even some different choice of words that used those sounds wouldn't work so well.  I skimmed through Ross's paper (above) but it didn't seem to say anything about the issue.  I guess relaxed rhymes here and there aren't really held against a good poem.   That said, I'm just a semi-literate math/computer nerd, so my reading counts for squat. It amazes me how literary analysts (Ross is a linguistic theorist by training, but I guess that paper counts as poetics analysis) can write those interpretations whose points seem almost like free association, yet still manage to hold together.  He has written comparable articles about a number of other poems and I'd be interested to know how they have been received by the literary community. 69.111.194.167 (talk) 22:01, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Pop culture references
An editor removed my addition to this article, calling it "trivia". Well, that's unfair, since so many articles about works of art have similar sections. I'm editing it again. If you disagree with me, please give me good reasons. Casquilho (talk) 20:24, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with Truthkeepr88's statement on your talkpage that this type of section overwhelms the article as it currently stands and adds little to the reader's understanding of the poem. Per WP:OTHERSTUFF, the fact that other articles contain trivia sections does not to me constitute a strong enough argument here. Kafka Liz (talk) 20:01, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with Truthkeeper88 and Kafka Liz; the minor pop culture additions to the article are essentially superfluous to the Blake poem; and doesn't add either understanding or quality...Modernist (talk) 22:34, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Assessment comment
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Gormless Tyger
Looking at this while listening to In Our Time I noticed Blake's drawing of the beast is about as fearful as fat persian cat. then, lo! The point was brought up in the programme. A tall atle about the French Revolution was aired, but surely there is some scholarly discussion of why such a great artist drew a tiger that looks as aggressive as Tigger and half as intelligent? Stub Mandrel (talk) 08:35, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am surprised that the figure of the tiger is not really discussed here at all, especially (as the programme took pains to explain) Blake produced these works by direct engraving onto metal - the words were produced as part of the picture and not printed separately. The words and the images were treated as one organic whole. The tyger looks quite smug, but is he really smiling? One assumes that Blake would have been able to observe a real tiger, at least in captivity? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:20, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Few citations
There aren't that many citations in the structure or analysis section so it reads a lot like original research. Just putting this down ChuckedGryphon (talk) 05:50, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

ee
Regarding the rhyme: rather than distorting "symmetry" to rhyme with the modern "eye", could in be that "eye" is supposed to be pronounced as the archaic "ee"? That would not only rhyme with symmetry, but with the "thee" in the other verse that people have been suggesting it should match as well. Are there any citable sources suggesting or discussing this? Iapetus (talk) 09:40, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: LIT 3319 Contexts
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Blake as Composer
I'm thinking a more relevant reference for the topic of Blake's musical composition might be appropriate (the first footnote under"Musical versions") -- a scholarly article on the topic can be found here: https://doi.org/10.7202/015815ar Wikibarky (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

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Welcome
Greetings! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. You can sign your name with ~. If you have questions or doubts of any sort, do not hesitate to post them on the Village Pump, somebody will respond ASAP. Other helpful pages include: Have fun! --Jiang 06:46, 9 Aug 2003 (UTC)
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Simpson Question
Hello, ZeWrestler. If you take a look at my edit comment for The Simpsons, it says "Reverted to last edit by ZeWrestler". I didn't revert your edit-- I reverted back to your edit. The comment "Reverted to last edit by xxx" is automatically placed there by the system when using the "rollback" feature available to admins (which is a quick revert feature to fight vandalism). You'll notice your edit is still intact. -- Minesweeper 21:51, 11 Aug 2003 (UTC)

The Humungous Image Tagging Project
Hi. You've helped with the WikiProject Wiki Syntax, so I thought it worth alerting you to the latest and greatest of Wikipedia fixing project, User:Yann/Untagged Images, which is seeking to put copyright tags on all of the untagged images. There are probably, oh, thirty thousand or so to do (he said, reaching into the air for a large figure). But hey: they're images ... you'll get to see lots of random pretty pictures. That must be better than looking for at at and the the, non? You know you'll love it. best wishes --Tagishsimon (talk)

Re:Image:Tiny Toons intro.jpg
Those images uploaded in the couple days of Jan 2004 were lost to another server. It should be listed at Images for deletion. maybe try dropping at note to mav, asking if he can re-upload it. He's aware of the situation. --Jiang 18:30, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Try. --Jiang 18:54, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

DaBrat?
So now I'm "DaBrat" because I changed your Ares image? --DrBat 19:22, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * sorry about that, typo on my part.--ZeWrestler 17:16 16 Feb 2005

Return of the Untagged Image project
You were kind enough to contribute to the Untagged images project; I beg to draw your attention to part 2 of the project - there are about 12,000 more images in need of tagging. Any assistance you could provide would be most welcome. thanks --Tagishsimon (talk)

Re:fa and images
There's a list at Featured articles. There once was a category, but that was deleted due to the avoid self-references rule. This can be brought up at Wikipedia talk:featured articles but I doubt people will accept any more tagging than is already done.

I think the images are fairuse. --Jiang 09:45, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Image deleted. Next time you can tag it as a speedy delete with Template:delete. --Jiang 07:52, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Sport Wrestling
Do you think that Sport Wrestling is a bit of an odd category name for all the Wikipedia wrestling articles/stubs/categories? Seems like amateur wrestling/amateur wrestler would be a more fitting overall category. Perhaps I'm being too picky, but I've never heard the term "Sport Wrestler" outside of the wikipedia. Gantry 02:34, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Pendleton article deletion
Someone just nominated my Chris Pendleton page for deletion. Feel free to add a comment on the deletion page, as I've never dealt with a deletion scenario before and not sure if I made the proper points. Gantry 04:57, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

That's weird. I'll comment on it.--ZeWrestler 5:16 21 March 2005

Wrestlingbio-stub
Hello. I was wondering what you used as a base to make Wrestlingbio-stub from? It had a small formatting error in it that would break any text that appeared after it (for example, at Template messages/Stubs). If there's another stub template out there with a similar problem, it'll need to be fixed too. (I'll watch this page, so please reply here.) —Korath (Talk) 05:17, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for fixing the error. I was trying to figure out what caused that problem over the weekend.  If memory serves me right, i combined the  and the  stubs to make this one. Thanks for fixing the problem.--ZeWrestler 5:37 21 March 2005

 * Aha. It turns out that it was Footybio-stub that was the source of the problem; it had already been dealt with by the time I looked at it. —Korath (Talk) 05:50, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)

your Zelda DX screenshot
I think you should replace this screenshot. It's nice, but it's too big and looks out of place with the rest of the page now. It also cannot be shrunk via tagging because the frame code overrides any specified dimension attributes.

Therefore I've taken the liberty of making a replacement screenshot. Plus this one is a PNG, which is preferable to JPEG when it comes to videogame media. So if you could replace it, or provide another of your own, that would be great! Thanks! Master Thief Garrett 03:45, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Dan Gable
IMO, you should have examined my contribution to Dan Gable and concluded that there is no evidence i am interested enough to undertake an intelligent evaluation of the CotW question. You may want to re-evaluate the other contributors and consider reverting any other instances of your spamming your colleagues that that may expose. Thanks. --Jerzy~t 19:18, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

I agree. Please don't spam User pages. RickK 19:19, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

GCotW
Well, the Bosses Section was my doing... but, I kind of got side tracked. c_c; -- A Link to the Past 23:18, May 23, 2005 (UTC)

Software engineering
Good afternoon, ZeWrestler! I have just nominated Software engineering for an Article improvement drive instead of Collaboration of the week. I appreciate your support. :-) Yours, --Hans-AC ✉  16:39, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Image:Cael Sanderson.png
Burgundavia (✈ take a flight?) 09:41, May 27, 2005 (UTC)

COTW Project
You voted for Roaring Twenties, this week's Collaboration of the week. Please come and help it become a featured-standard article. Falphin 03:32, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Peer review - Phising
While the reference section says February 3, the article it links to says something else. Sorry for being unclear earlier. You probably assumed I meant the Wikipedia article. - Mgm|(talk) 12:44, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * thanks for elaborating on it. I have some stuff to do, give me some time, and i'll look into fixing the problem.  How good of a chance do you think this artical has for becoming a FA?  --ZeWrestler 14:47, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

image ©
Hey, I saw you added some pictures to wikipedia, i was looking at some of them, and saw that you have not added a copyright tag to them. Image Copyright tags. Any image on the site has to have a copyright tag, please go back and add a copyright tag to your pictures. --ZeWrestler 12:22, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Well, thanks for notice me. I'm starting to add the ©. I have a question. I found a picture Robert Trujillo picutre...but i don't know what copyright tag to put. Any sugetion ? --PET 14:31, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * i took the image from a site...i don't remeber from where...

Sports section on The Seventies
Why re-add it back if you're not going to contribute to it? Mike H 15:16, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

regarding Image:Hcz3.gif
This is a great picture! The only thing I can point out is that maybe it should show the roof and (probably closed) gate of the castle, as those are rather important places during the game and could no doubt be mentioned in the article at a later date. Also it seems strange to show most but not all of the castle.

While I think it would be a good idea to show the entire castle, that makes the thumbnail less clear and the full view not necessarily fit on the screen when visiting the Image: page itself. So what do you think? Master Thief GarrettTalk 29 June 2005 02:36 (UTC)

Never mind, I just realised you're only doing samples from each. In which case I'd be inclined to move the "camera" up to show the castle roof room etc. rather than the bottom wall and such. Master Thief GarrettTalk 29 June 2005 02:37 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Blocked users can edit their own talk page

When a user is blocked from contributing to Wikipedia, they used to be completely blocked. This was a problem, because sometimes they might be blocked accidentally (or even for an incorrect reason).

A recent patch to the MediaWiki software continues to prevent a blocked user from editing Wikipedia, but creates a lone exception. If your username is Floob, you can edit User talk:Floob even while you are blocked.

Here's a tip: while blocked, try explaining some of the good, helpful things you plan to do for Wikipedia as soon as you're unblocked. Such a strategy is likely to reduce your block time.

Another tip: abusive comments about others, on your talk page, could prompt an admin to "protect" your talk page, cutting off all further communication. So think before you post.

 * (Thanks, Tim!) Uncle Ed 14:12, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

Names in italics are merely quotations of your position and might not "officially" count as representing your real position. Please sign with tildes to confirm / clarify.

Tally (12/6/2)

Support Support Per all. --GorillazFanAdam 00:11, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) Support. Let's try it for a couple of weeks. I think we can make it work. Uncle Ed 17:16, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Support. User pages are quite easy to simply ignore. SimonP 17:19, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) Theo encourages the blocked user to communicate openly
 * 4) Stormie a good idea and well worth a trial. It makes much more sense (to have) dialogue ... on the user's talk page ... than on the mailing list.
 * 5) Mark will help to stop WikiEN-l from turning into IDemandYouUnbanMeNow-l
 * 6) David Gerard OH GOD YES PLEASE ... Particularly as we're having to block a lot of querulous rubbish from the blocked to keep the list readable.
 * 7) Catherine the wiki page history preserves evidence of behaviour, good or bad. the wiki page history preserves evidence of behaviour, good or bad.
 * 8) Noital [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=18754997&oldid=18754953 If this feature were in existance, I would not feel helpless when abused by Admins.#
 * 9) Support, based on comment by Dan100. ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ 22:34, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * You don't think justified complaints should be brought to people's attention then? Dan100 (Talk) 11:16, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Support, best that users have a public, on-Wiki way to communicate instead of having to send an email. I see very low potential for abuse. However, admins should be licensed to protect a user talk page if they see fit. Nickptar 19:08, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Support. This keeps channels open. How can that be a bad thing? Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 23:31, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) Support. For reasons above. I'm also not so worried about angry blocked users letting out some steam there, either. It's a natural thing to be upset over being blocked, and wikipedia keeping a page open for them to complain and explain their side makes the block seem less ..uhm... arrogant in my oppinion. It's polite and inviting to not shut someone completely out. Shanes 01:03, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 4) Support. I frequently find myself blocked for sharing an IP with a vandal. It would be nice to have some avenue of recourse within Wikipedia. Agentsoo 10:12, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 5) Support. Good idea. Andre ( talk ) 20:43, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * 6) Support. Strongly. I find the objections illogical and the benefits obvious. There is no possible harm.  Let people have more room to rave, vandalize and abuse on these pages.  Where is it better for them to do it - there or on Wikipedia? Their time and energy is not infinite.  Every second they spend explaining how right they are/decorating/vandalizing on their talk pages is one less spent creating sockpuppets, vandalizing the main space, etc..  I predict that if this feature is enabled, and people have the common sense to leave people to play by themselves alone except in the very most extreme cases  that vandalism and admins workload will measurably drop.  People say this might make these spaces become toilets.  Good.  The reason for this change is identical to the reason that (public) buildings usually have toilets too - it is a much better idea than the alternative.--John Z 22:36, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 7) Support, since "wikipedia is not a dumpster" is not a good enough reason for me (we've all seen wikimedia pages et al. being used for A LOT of stuff - how is a user page or two going to harm us?). -- Dungo ( talk ) 18:22, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
 * 8) Support, as blocked editors should be able to say something to the community even though they;ve been blocked. Take DrZoidberg's talk page for example, and you can see how useful this feature can be. — Stevey7788 (talk) 04:01, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
 * 9) I've got a great idea! Why don't we block people we don't like  except to let them use their talk page.  It doesn't matter if they've done nothing wrong, we can just accuse them of being sockpuppets or something for which they can't prove their innocence.  If they kiss our ass on their talk page and pledge their support for whatever we, as administrators, think the content should be, we can let them continue editing there.  But if they dare to mention that they've been blocked for no reason, we'll simply lock their talk page and threaten anyone who tries to help them.  To show how effective this scenario is, SlimVirgin has given us a demonstration with User:EKBK (contribs).  Let's all give User:SlimVirgin a big round of applause for demonstrating how to effectively use administrative power to control the content of discussion and articles.  As an added benefit, we can accuse the patsy of being a sockpuppet of another administrator or editor that we don't like!!  --Zephram Stark 21:31, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 10) Support. This gives the blocked user an outlet to explain their actions, comment on the block, and have open discussions with other users so they won't make the same mistakes again. I don't see any harm to it, as user talk pages aren't generally accessed by the non-contributing public. EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 06:06, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) Oppose.  SlimVirgin (talk)  17:07, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) CesarB
 * 3) Netaholic I just don't understand the change
 * 4) User pages aren't a particulary viable way of highlighting just concerns, but they could become toilets for crap about "abusive" admins. Just don't think it's a good idea. Dan100 (Talk) 21:01, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * 5) Oppose in the strongest possible terms. This "feature" is about as useful as an electric bidet; just more work for admins who have to go clean up the mess the vandals cause. If they were blocked, they shouldn't be editing anything, and if it was accidental, then they can email the blocking admin. -- Essjay ·  Talk 00:26, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * The only mess they can make is to their own user page or own talk page. We could just ignore that. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 00:36, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I was thinking of users like User:Jackson Brown who caused a lot more trouble than he would have been able to if he hadn't had his talk page to play with. -- Essjay ·  Talk 00:41, July 26, 2005 (UTC)\
 * I don't think his talk page was protected. I'm going from memory here but i thiught he was persueded to stop rather than forced via page protection. Theresa Knott  (a tenth stroke) 23:03, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Protected page and, so yes, it was protected. --cesarb 23:11, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
 * LOL what an idiot I must be to not remeber that I was the one who unprotected it! Anyway my basic argument remains intact. He was persuaded rather than forced.Any the only trouble he caused was on his talk page, which is easily to just ignore. Theresa Knott  (a tenth stroke) 06:51, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I still agree with cesarb: "a brain damaged misfeature." (I was particularly pleased with my electric bidet simile, but oh well.) -- Essjay ·  Talk 08:36, August 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd 19:34, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Oppse If they want to redeem themselves, they can e-mail the admin who blocked them. Ryan 10:08, August 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) Didn't notice this poll until now. Anyway I don't particularly think this is a good idea; established users know how to contact the Powers That Be by e-mail or IRC, so they don't need this trick. Regular trolls and vandals only use this trick to troll or vandalize further. Radiant_ >|< 14:47, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

Neutral / Other
 * 1) depends on the user
 * 2) Most admins are abusive because most people don't like to work for free. Abusing your power is the whole benefit.  I'm an admin here (posting this anon on a different IP) just letting you know that if an admin wanted to abuse it, they would lock the edits on someone's user talk page and erase complaints made by user.  I, as an admin here, ban people who disagree with my point of view.  It's how it works.  I have flaws and have found much worse in others so the only way to communicate with someone safely during a ban is email.  I profusely apologize if I've upset you, but this is the truth.  I am an admin and you must know how things work.
 * I obviously can't read proposals. As Noel pointed out, I didn't get the point of the vote.  Mea culpa.  I dunno, on the ANI a case recently came up where, among other things, the user's page was tagged with Template:Impostor.  Obviously, a blocked impostor would still be able to edit that page and remove the tag, which could be confusing and dangerous.  Other useful templates (sharedip, for one) would similarly be less useful if the blocked user could remove them.  --DropDeadGorgias (talk)
 * Good point, but according to the description at the top of this page, they could only remove it from their Talk: page, not their User: page. Noel (talk) 22:04, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Impostors' talk pages should be protected when they're blocked, then. Nickptar 20:52, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
 * ...especially those pesky imposters who want to prove their innocence on their own talk page. --Zephram Stark 04:20, 1 November 2005 (UTC)


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IMM

IMM or imm may refer to:

In companies, institutions, and organizations

 * IMM Graduate School of Marketing, South Africa
 * Industries Mécaniques Maghrébines, a Tunisian and Algerian manufacturer of Isuzu vehicles
 * Institut für Mikrotechnik Mainz (Mainz Institute of Microtechnology)
 * Institute of Molecular Medicine (disambiguation)
 * Instituto de Medicina Molecular (University of Lisbon Institute of Molecular Medicine)
 * Institution of Mining and Metallurgy, a former British research institution
 * International Mercantile Marine Co., a shipping trust in the early twentieth century
 * Institut for Marketing Management, at Zurich University of Applied Sciences/ZHAW

In events

 * imm Cologne, international furniture trade fair

In places

 * IMM (Singapore), shopping mall in Singapore

In science and technology

 * Inner mitochondrial membrane
 * Immortal (MUD), an administrator or developer on a MUD
 * Interacting multiple model (IMM), an estimator used in radar tracking
 * Injection molding machine
 * Integrated Management Module, an IBM remote system management technology

In other uses

 * Indianmeal Moth (Plodia interpunctella)
 * International Monetary Market, a unit of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange

Sustainable development

 * Integrated Modification Methodology

title: IMM


text:
Deficits in attention, motor control and perception

DAMP—deficits in attention, motor control, and perception—is a psychiatric concept conceived by Christopher Gillberg. DAMP is defined by the presence of five properties: Problems of attention, gross and fine motor skills, perceptual deficits, and speech-language impairments. While routinely diagnosed in Scandinavian countries, the diagnosis has been rejected in the rest of the world. Minor cases of DAMP are roughly defined as a combination of developmental coordination disorder (DCD) and a pervading attention deficit.

DAMP is similar to minimal brain dysfunction (MBD), a concept that was formulated in the 1960s. and which has since been recognised as attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. Both concepts are related to certain psychiatric conditions, such as hyperactivity. The concept of MBD was strongly criticized by Sir Michael Rutter [Gillberg, 2003, p. 904] and several other researchers, and this led to its abandonment in the 1980s. At the same time, research showed that something similar was needed. One alternative concept was attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). Gillberg proposed another alternative: DAMP. Gillberg's concept was formulated in the early 1980s, and the term itself was introduced in a paper that Gillberg published in 1986 (see Gillberg [1986]). (DAMP is essentially MBD without the etiological assumptions. )

The concept of DAMP met with considerable criticism. For example, Sir Michael Rutter stated that the concept of DAMP (unlike ADHD) was "muddled" and "lacks both internal coherence and external discriminative validity ... it has no demonstrated treatment or prognostic implications"; he concluded that the concept should be abandoned. Another example is the criticism of Per-Anders Rydelius, Professor of Child Psychiatry at the Karolinska Institute, who argued that the definition of DAMP was too vague: "the borderline between DAMP and conduct disorders [is] unclear ... the borderline between DAMP and ADHD [is] unclear"; he concluded that "the concept is in need of revision". And in 2000, Eva Kärfve, a sociologist at the University of Lund, published a book which argued that Gillberg's work on DAMP should be rejected.

Perhaps the strongest criticism of DAMP is that Gillberg and his co-workers in Gothenburg are almost the only people doing research on DAMP. Indeed, in a review of DAMP published by Gillberg in 2003, it was noted that there were only "about 50" research papers that had been published on DAMP and that the "vast majority of these have either originated in the author's own clinical and research setting or have been supervised and/or co-authored by him" [Gillberg, 2003, p. 904]. This is in contrast to ADHD, on which "several thousand papers" had been published [Gillberg, 2003, p. 905]. As far as clinical practice goes, DAMP has been primarily accepted only in Gillberg's native Sweden and in Denmark [Gillberg, 2003, p. 904], and even in those countries, acceptance is mixed.

In 2003, Gillberg revised his definition of DAMP. The new definition is as follows:
 * 1) ADHD as defined in DSM-IV;
 * 2) developmental coordination disorder (DCD) as defined in DSM-IV;
 * 3) condition not better accounted for by cerebral palsy; and
 * 4) IQ should be higher than about 50 [Gillberg, 2003: box 1]. (In  the WHO system, this would be a hyperkinetic disorder combined with a developmental disorder of motor function.) About half of children with ADHD are believed to also have DCD [Gillberg, 2003; Martin et al., 2006 ].

Strong criticism of DAMP, however, has continued. In particular, it has been observed that "the validity and utility of DAMP will remain unclear until stronger evidence of the special status of the overlap between its constituent disorders is provided".

In 2005, there was an hour-long television program broadcast on Swedish TV, questioning why Sweden, almost alone in the world, would accept the DAMP construct. The program featured critical commentary from Sir Michael Rutter. It also considered some of the controversies over Gillberg's Gothenburg Study of Children with DAMP.

The concept of DAMP (deficits in attention, motor control, and perception) has been in clinical use in Scandinavia for about 20 years. DAMP is diagnosed on the basis of concomitant attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder and developmental coordination disorder in children who do not have a severe learning disability or cerebral palsy. In clinically severe form, it affects about 1.5% of the general population of 7-year-old-children; 3-6% are affected by more moderate variants. Boys are overrepresented; girls are currently probably underdiagnosed. There are many comorbid problems/overlapping conditions, including conduct disorder, depression/anxiety, and academic failure. There is a strong link with autism spectrum disorders in severe DAMP. Familial factors and pre- and perinatal risk factors account for much of the variance. Psychosocial risk factors appear to increase the risk of marked psychiatric abnormality in DAMP. The outcome in early adult age was psychosocially poor in one study in almost 60% of unmedicated cases. There are effective interventions available for many of the problems encountered in DAMP.


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TVE Internacional

TVE Internacional is a Spanish satellite free-to-air and pay television channel owned and operated by Televisión Española (TVE), the television division of state-owned public broadcaster Radiotelevisión Española (RTVE). It is the corporation's international television service, and is known for broadcasting mainstream, generalist and cultural programming, including Telediario news bulletins, primetime drama and entertainment from both TVE's La 1, La 2, Clan and 24 Horas.

It was launched on 1 December 1989. It broadcasts to Latin America, Western Sahara, Equatorial Guinea, Americas and the Philippines, in which the vast majority of Spanish-speaking people are located.

Several news bulletins are provided during the day, covering a mixed Spanish and International agenda. Telediario is a bulletin produced for and also broadcast in Spain, simulcast on the international station. However, editions of Telediario Internacional are also produced specially for the channel.

A limited number of advertisements are shown on the channel. More usually, network commercial breaks on programmes broadcast live in Spain are covered with a clock and short information films about Spain and its wildlife, although sometimes the advertisements are shown.

History
TVE International began its test broadcasts on 1 December 1989 and officially on 1 December 1990. In its early years, the channel broadcast a single program for America and Europe, consisting of a re-broadcast of slots premiered on La 1 and La 2. From 15 April 1991, differentiated programming was designed for one and other continents. Since 1992, TVE Internacional has been broadcasting via the Astra and Hispasat satellites for Latin America.

The signal of TVE International has been received in Asia and Oceania since December 1995 and in Africa since 12 October 1999.

Signal structure

 * America: covers all Latin American countries, as well as the United States and Canada. Use as reference the timetables of Argentina (UTC-3), Mexico (UTC-6) and Miami (UTC-5).
 * Europe-Africa: covers the entire European continent, the Middle East and Africa. Use as reference the timetables of Central Europe (UTC+1/+2 DST), Moscow (UTC+3) and the United Arab Emirates (UTC+4).
 * Asia-Oceania: Part of the Arabian Peninsula, Central Asia, Southeast Asia, Australia, New Zealand and the Pacific Islands
 * Canal 24 Horas Internacional: America and Europe (simultaneous signal with the channel in Spain, with advertising from the international channel replacing commercials).

Distribution
In Europe, it is available free-to-air on Eutelsat Hot Bird 13° East. Due to economic reasons, it moved its satellite distribution for Europe to Astra 19.2°E along with 24 Horas and the RTVE radios (RNE Radio Nacional, RNE Radio Clásica, RNE Radio 3, RNE Ràdio 4, RNE Radio 5, Radio Exterior) between January 2014 and February 2020.

The channel no longer be seen in Britain and Ireland through the Sky television platform on Eutelsat 33C at 28.5° East. In the Americas, it is available as part of RTVE's Digital Package for America on Hispasat 1C (encrypted). In Asia, it is available on AsiaSat 5 at 100.5° E and Intelsat 19 at 166° E (both unencrypted).

title: TVE Internacional


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Xuasus

Xuasus is the pseudonym of Spanish comic book artist Juan Jesus Garcia (Mieres, 1968).

Biography
Xuasus' chunky, fully painted style was admired by David Bishop, editor of the Judge Dredd Megazine, in the early 1990s, and the artist was commissioned to work on a number of well-known characters, including Judge Dredd, Judge Anderson, Judge Hershey and the Brit-Cit Brute. Xuasus has also contributed to the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and Victor titles.

His latest contribution is the "Waccy Baccy Races" series for the magazine Wasted in collaboration with Alan Grant. He now combines his work in comics with film projects.

He worked as a matte painter and VFX Art Director on the cities of Jerusalem and the Castle of Kerak on Kingdom of Heaven. He also created the virtual Waterfall City for Dinotopia and was a matte painter on Troy, Rome and Harry Potter II. He now works in Vancouver, Canada as a matte painter.

Partial filmography

 * 300: Rise of an Empire
 * Seventh Son
 * Percy Jackson: Sea of Monsters
 * The Lone Ranger
 * Man of Steel
 * Jack the Giant Slayer
 * Life of Pi
 * Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows
 * The Borgias
 * Priest
 * Fast Five
 * Battle Los Angeles
 * Piranha
 * Kingdom of Heaven
 * Inkheart
 * The Golden Compass
 * Underdog
 * Rome
 * Troy
 * Harry Potter II
 * Dinotopia

title: Xuasus


text:
Wikipedia:Peer review/Flag of Hong Kong/archive1

Flag of Hong Kong
Well, a lot of improvement has been done; you can see those lovely illustrations which are all drawn by myself. My baby. :-) -- Jerry Crimson Mann 14:15, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * It looks good; very in-depth. You could also add it to the Category:National flags; possibly under a sub-category: "Flags of China"? — RJH 14:43, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Hong Kong isn't a country, so isn't really eligible for this category. To my very brief comments: the main thing is that the recent history of the falg seems pretty bare. It sort of just stops after 1959. I don't know if there is anything else to go there - maybe not - but it's a starting point. Thanks. Harro5 05:00, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * But the 1959 design remained the same till the current version. -- Jerry Crimson Mann 06:11, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Neither is Flag of Quebec, but it's in a sub-category Category:Flags of Canada. Perhaps a re-org. of the flags categories is needed? — RJH 15:54, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry, must have misread your first comment. I thought you wanted to put Hong Kong in the national flags category. A flags of China category is a good idea, but would there be anything else to put in the category? The Tibetan flag? No point creating bare categories. Harro5 10:26, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Flag of Macau as well. ;-) -- Jerry Crimson Mann 10:39, 14 July 2005 (UTC)


text: Talk:Hank Asher

title: Talk:Hank Asher


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Geelong Keys

The Geelong Keys were a set of five keys discovered in 1847 at Limeburners Point, on the southern shore of Corio Bay, near Geelong, Victoria, Australia. Charles La Trobe, Superintendent of the Port Phillip District and a keen amateur geologist, was examining marine deposits revealed by excavations associated with lime production in the area. A worker showed him two of a set of five keys he claimed to have found the day before, in a layer of shells 15 ft down an excavation for a lime kiln, which was about 40 ft from the shoreline. La Trobe was fascinated by the find and believed, from their appearance, that the keys were between 100 and 150 years old (~1700-1750 AD).

Since the 1802 expedition of Matthew Flinders is the earliest proven European presence in the vicinity, writer Kenneth McIntyre has suggested the keys may have originated with some earlier European explorers of the region, possibly the Portuguese. McIntyre has connected the discovery of the Geelong Keys with the presence of the so-called Mahogany Ship, further west on Victoria's Shipwreck Coast, claiming that it could be another possible relic of early Portuguese exploration.

The editor of the Geelong Advertiser at the time, James Harrison, noted that metal objects were often embedded in new diggings to detect the leaching of payable metal. For instance, a copper oxide coating on the keys would suggest the presence of copper. Ronald Gunn, a friend of La Trobe, told the Royal Society of Victoria in September 1849 that he had gone to Geelong to investigate the discovery. On questioning the limeburner he found that the keys had not, in fact, been dug out of the shell layer but were found with shells at the bottom of the pit. It was only assumed that they had fallen from the upper layer. In practice they could have fallen from any layer, including the top of the excavation.

The keys were the subject of two pamphlets published by the Royal Society of Victoria in the 1870s. The first of these suggested that the depth at which the keys allegedly lay indicated an age closer to 200–300 years. The second pamphlet repudiated this claim and was based on an interview with a limeburner, who said that the keys may have been dropped down a hole to that depth. Research in the 1980s by geologist Edmund Gill, and engineer and historian Peter Alsop, showed the age of the deposit in which the keys were supposedly found was between 2330 and 2800 years. According to Gill and Alsop, La Trobe's error is quite understandable, given that in 1847 most people thought the earth was only 6000 years old.

The keys themselves, and all original drawings of them, have been lost. By the time they were shown to La Trobe, one had been lost by the limeburners' children and one had been given to a passer-by. La Trobe gave one to his friend Ronald Gunn and the other two went to the Melbourne Mechanics' Institute, from which they were lost after the institute went bankrupt.

The keys are referred to in the children's books The Voyage of the Poppykettle and The Unchosen Land by Robert Ingpen. In the stories, the keys are used as ballast in a clay-pot ship sailed by migrant Peruvian gnomes. The stories were so popular in Ingpen's hometown, Geelong, that a fountain and an annual Poppykettle Festival celebrate the mythical landing of the "hairy Peruvians".

title: Geelong Keys


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LER

LER or Ler may refer to:

People

 * Larry LaLonde, nicknamed "Ler", guitarist of the rock band Primus
 * Anthony Ler, Singaporean notorious murderer

Places and infrastructure

 * Ler, Norway, a village in the municipality of Melhus in Trøndelag county, Norway
 * Ler, South Sudan, a village in the north central part of South Sudan
 * Leytonstone High Road railway station, a station in London, England
 * Leinster Airport, IATA airport code "LER"
 * London Electric Railway, later part of the London Underground

Science and technology

 * Label edge router, a term used to define an edge-most router in an IP/MPLS network
 * Light-emitting resistor, the working principle of an incandescent light bulb
 * Liquid epoxy resin, a precursor to coatings and flooring material
 * Locus of enterocyte effacement-encoded regulator, a regulatory protein in pathogenic bacteria
 * Luminous efficacy of radiation, for light sources, the ratio of luminous flux to power
 * Lunar Electric Rover, a vehicle designed by NASA for extra-vehicular activity on the lunar surface.
 * Land equivalent ratio, in multicropping or intercropping agriculture, the relative land area needed for the same yield under equivalent disjoint monocultures

Other

 * "Ler" books, a trilogy by M. A. Foster
 * Loss Exchange Ratio, a military calculation of comparative casualties of war
 * The Loyal Edmonton Regiment, an infantry unit of the Army Reserve Canadian Forces
 * Elite One Championship (French: Ligue Élite de Rugby), a French rugby league
 * Ler (mythology), a sea god in Irish mythology also known as Lir

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Carrizo

Carrizo may refer to:

Places

 * Carrizo, Arizona, a place in Gila County, Arizona
 * Carrizo Creek (Arizona)
 * Carrizo Creek (New Mexico/Texas)
 * North Carrizo Creek, a creek formed in Colorado and flowing to Oklahoma
 * South Carrizo Creek, a creek in Oklahoma
 * East Carrizo Creek, a creek in Colorado
 * West Carrizo Creek, a creek in Colorado
 * Carrizo Gorge Railway, a passenger and freight railway between Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico, and Plaster City, California, United States
 * Carrizo Hill, Texas, a census-designated place located in Dimmit County, Texas, United States
 * Carrizo Impact Area, a former United States Navy bombing range in the Anza-Borrego Desert in California, United States
 * Carrizo Mountains, a mountain range located on the Colorado Plateau in northeastern Arizona
 * Carrizo Plain, a large enclosed plain in eastern San Luis Obispo County, California, United States
 * Carrizo de la Ribera, a municipality in León, Spain
 * Carrizo Springs, Texas, a city located in Dimmit County, Texas, United States

People

 * Amadeo Carrizo (1926–2020), Argentine football goalkeeper
 * Antonio Carrizo (1926–2016), Argentine radio and television presenter
 * Federico Carrizo (born 1991), Argentine footballer
 * Juan Carlos Carrizo (born 1987), Argentine footballer
 * Juan Pablo Carrizo (born 1984), Argentine footballer
 * Pedro Carrizo (born 1980), Chilean footballer
 * Susan Carrizo (born 1984), winner of Miss World Venezuela 2005
 * Carrizo people, an Indigenous people of Tamaulipas, Mexico

Other uses

 * Carrizo (plant), Spanish vernacular name of several plants found in a carrizal
 * AMD Carrizo, a hardware platform from AMD featuring the Excavator microarchitecture
 * Comecrudan languages, a group of possibly related languages spoken in the southernmost part of the U.S. state of Texas and in northern Mexico

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