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User talk:JoJan/Archive 2

Archive 2 : till end June 2005

taxoboxes and taxoarticles
I see you are jumping right in a making a bunch of new articles. Good for you! However, please talk a look at WikiProject Tree of Life and its talk pages for current taxobox format and other such latest developments. Also, try to avoid excessive headings (as in Black Abalone) - it is preferred that articles are more paragraph rich instead of just the bare facts and figures. Of course, you are free to continue as is if you can't figure out how to make the changes: a good stub is better than nothing! - UtherSRG 19:14, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)

There are plenty of examples on the ToL page. Just click on the [edit] button to look at the html code underneath it. Or go the the WikiProject Primates page, there are links to examples with HTML. - UtherSRG 12:09, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

You really should read and understand WikiProject Tree of Life. Taxoarticles should be named from the common name, not from the scientific name, when possible. Look at the fixes I've recently done to Briba brasiliana, for instance. Look at what links to it. Look at the page histories to understand what I've done. Look at other articles I've fixed after your creation/edits. - UtherSRG 14:49, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

 * I was editing that article and ready to move it to Amaral's Brazilian Gecko, when you interfered. I'm in the process of rewriting all my former edits to comply with the rules. Thanks anyway. JoJan 15:10, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * Whoops! Sorry about that. I get very enthusiastic with my editting sometimes. *grins* I've editted that page again, removing the heading and consolidating the text into a paragraph. They arne't my rules; they are yours, too. Anyone is free to go to the talk page and discuss the guidelines and work to change them. Or even ask questions to better understand them. Of course, you are also free to keep making articles in the manner you are comfortable with, and other folks like me will come along and tidy them up. It's just nice if we don't have to do that. - UtherSRG 17:43, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

 * I'm quite comfortable with your 'enthusiastic' editing of the articles I'm writing. Wikipedia is a collective undertaking anyway. That is why I started contributing here, instead of laboriously trying to make my own website (three years in the making and still no website !). As to writing 'stubs', sometimes there just isn't any more information available. I can plant a seed, and hope that it will grow in the future, through contributions of other Wikipedians with more expertise in this particular field. I wonder if a link 'Help Wanted' on the Main page couldn't do wonders for stubs to grow. As to the future, any help from you is most welcome. JoJan 08:32, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

 * Ok. I'll continue to edit your stubs. It would still be good if you could make sure to get your taxoboxes looking correct. - UtherSRG 14:15, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Help Wanted
-- UtherSRG 14:15, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Vocabulary project
Hi, thanks for your vote against the deletion of The United States and weapons of mass destruction. I run a vocabulary project and since you are Belgian and interested in translation and computers I thought you might be interested. The program and the description in English should be ready by tomorrow, please check my page. Get-back-world-respect 00:41, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Gastropods
I see you are doing great work on the gastropods. Good luck! *grins* I do not envy you the task, and you are off to a gret start. I have a few suggestions, since I've taken on similar tasks with primates and cephalopods. Again, I think you're doing a great job. When I get all of the cephalopod species listed, i'll be ready to help you out! - UtherSRG 01:41, 1 May 2004 (UTC)
 * 1) Create a WikiProject. Take a look at my WikiProject Cephalopods since they are so closely related to gastropods. A WikiProject is a good place to focus your thoughts, gather resources, male plans, etc. When you've got it started, post bout it on Announcements so that others can join in.
 * 2) Take a look at cephalopod. I think it's concise and informative, compared to the same section on gastropoda. Sme goes for the relevant sections on the pages below. The general rule of thumb I use is I only go down one full taxon (Class to Order, Order to Family) until I get down to Family when I'l include Genus and Species. On the lower pages, I pretend the table is collapsable, and I've open up only to the part that is relevant, and only show up to the next higher full level, but no higher than the "base" I've set, cephalopod in this case.
 * 3) For the most part, we don't care about the authority of the taxon except the species level in the taxobox.

 * Thanks for your kind words and your offer of cooperation. I have been pondering your request for a new project and you are right : it is no task to be envied.

 * Therefore I sent two emails today:

 * 1) to R.H. de Bruyn, a prominent member of the Dutch Malacological Society and author of several excellent books on molluscs.
 * He answered that he lacks the time, but has given my request to the redaction of the Dutch Malacological Society.
 * 1) to Professor W. Ponder, University of Sydney, Australia. He is the author of the new taxonomy of the Gastropoda and one of the best malacologists in the world.

 * I asked for their cooperation (what an asset this could be for Wikipedia ! ) or if they knew others who would be willing to cooperate. Of course, if you know Wikipedians willing to cooperate, they are most welcome. I'm thinking of biology teachers, or dedicated malacologist etc.

 * Pending their reply, I'll keep my decision under consideration.JoJan 07:00, 2 May 2004 (UTC)

Hi JoJan, I've been working over on slug specifically an article on land slugs. It was just a bunch of stuff about how to kill them so I have added some pictures and slug biology. I could do with your expertise on the taxobox. I have only taken it as far as order, but there are several genera. Billlion 20:53, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Christos Sartzetakis
Thanks, great article. I did a light copyedit to standardize the Eng., but not much was needed. Ellsworth 21:27, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Plant genus authors
Hi Jo - interesting idea to add these, but the template you're using is one designed for zoological genus authors, following ICZN rules of Author, date. They need a separate botanical author template, following the ICBN rules of Author with the option of (Author) Revising author (without a date). I also wonder if it is necessary to have the author on a separate line, most cases it will fit well on the same line (i.e., without the 'br'), which will look better (I think, anyway!) - MPF 23:21, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

WorkingMansSpaceParty vote
Please move your vote from the article page WorkingMansSpaceParty to the vote page Votes for deletion/WorkingMansSpaceParty. Kappa 05:29, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Images from Dennis Mojado
Hello JoJan, you uploaded a lot of images from Dennis Mojado and gives them the copyright tag:

but the real copyright for his work is: cc-by-nd so it is not allowed to upload these images on Wikimedia Commons. I doen’t know if they can stay on English Wikipedia. Please, check it out. Best wishes! Nordelch
 * I've obtained the permission by email today. I've sent a reply to the user page of Mordelch. JoJan 18:58, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Jojan, ik ben niet zo gelukkig met de wijzigingen die je hebt aangebracht aan de pagina over Oostduinkerke op de Wiki nl. De Hoge Blekker, waar ik zelf een artikel heb over geschreven en een zelfgemaakte foto heb bij geplaatst ligt niet in Oostduinkerke maar in Koksijde. Idem dito voor de abdij. Graag reactie op mijn gebruikerspagina op wiki nl (gebruiker Donderwolk, die je terugvindt in de geschiedenis van de pagina) en niet hier. Thundercloud 16:56, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Alstonia
Hi Jo - the text says 43 species (which I've just amended to 40-45 from details in the books I have), but the species list you added includes 87 names, half of which are presumably synonyms not now regarded as distinct species - any chance of being able to separate out the ones not now accepted as distinct? (I don't have a full species list for the genus) - MPF 10:40, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks; I could get the Blumea paper on inter-library loan, but it isn't a genus I'm specially interested in so probably won't bother. I may add a note to the effect 'this is a list of published names, not of accepted taxa' or something (but not now, as wikipedia is being painfully slow at the moment!) - MPF 19:08, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Re: Proposed bot for genera and species
Most of the plants at my university's garden are labelled. -- AllyUnion (talk) 19:14, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Also, I am only proposing this for well established species that haven't changed their name classification in the past 25 to 50 years. -- AllyUnion (talk) 09:43, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Terminator2004.01.jpg listed for deletion
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Terminator2004.01.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in its not being deleted. Thank you. —MetsBot 19:27, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia allows you up upload a file over another. See Image:Terminator2004.jpg now and you'll find two files at the bottom under the file history. Since it's the same image but enhanced it should be on the same file. Cburnett 23:48, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Re: User:Ladnav
Actually, Fuzheado blocked the user indefinitely at 15:10. I was in the process of doing the same (whilst simultaneously reverting), but Wikipedia decided to hiccup. Thus I only got a few reverts in; most of my clicks returned a helpful "database error". Should be okay now; I'll keep an eye out for as long as I'm here in case Ladnav tries to circumvent the block. -- Hadal 15:28, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

. .Well, that’s me

Hello JoJan, welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you like the place and decide to join the community. Drop us a note at New user log so we can meet you and help you get started. If you need editing help, visit How to edit a page. For format questions, visit our manual of style. If you have any other questions about the project then check out Help or add a question to the Newcomers' Village pump. And of course, feel free to talk with me or ask questions on my talk page. Enjoy! --Αλεξ Σ 15:14, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)

taxoboxes and taxoarticles
I see you are jumping right in a making a bunch of new articles. Good for you! However, please talk a look at WikiProject Tree of Life and its talk pages for current taxobox format and other such latest developments. Also, try to avoid excessive headings (as in Black Abalone) - it is preferred that articles are more paragraph rich instead of just the bare facts and figures. Of course, you are free to continue as is if you can't figure out how to make the changes: a good stub is better than nothing! - UtherSRG 19:14, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)

There are plenty of examples on the ToL page. Just click on the [edit] button to look at the html code underneath it. Or go the the WikiProject Primates page, there are links to examples with HTML. - UtherSRG 12:09, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

You really should read and understand WikiProject Tree of Life. Taxoarticles should be named from the common name, not from the scientific name, when possible. Look at the fixes I've recently done to Briba brasiliana, for instance. Look at what links to it. Look at the page histories to understand what I've done. Look at other articles I've fixed after your creation/edits. - UtherSRG 14:49, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

 * I was editing that article and ready to move it to Amaral's Brazilian Gecko, when you interfered. I'm in the process of rewriting all my former edits to comply with the rules. Thanks anyway. JoJan 15:10, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * Whoops! Sorry about that. I get very enthusiastic with my editting sometimes. *grins* I've editted that page again, removing the heading and consolidating the text into a paragraph. They arne't my rules; they are yours, too. Anyone is free to go to the talk page and discuss the guidelines and work to change them. Or even ask questions to better understand them. Of course, you are also free to keep making articles in the manner you are comfortable with, and other folks like me will come along and tidy them up. It's just nice if we don't have to do that. - UtherSRG 17:43, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

 * I'm quite comfortable with your 'enthusiastic' editing of the articles I'm writing. Wikipedia is a collective undertaking anyway. That is why I started contributing here, instead of laboriously trying to make my own website (three years in the making and still no website !). As to writing 'stubs', sometimes there just isn't any more information available. I can plant a seed, and hope that it will grow in the future, through contributions of other Wikipedians with more expertise in this particular field. I wonder if a link 'Help Wanted' on the Main page couldn't do wonders for stubs to grow. As to the future, any help from you is most welcome. JoJan 08:32, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

 * Ok. I'll continue to edit your stubs. It would still be good if you could make sure to get your taxoboxes looking correct. - UtherSRG 14:15, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Help Wanted
-- UtherSRG 14:15, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Vocabulary project
Hi, thanks for your vote against the deletion of The United States and weapons of mass destruction. I run a vocabulary project and since you are Belgian and interested in translation and computers I thought you might be interested. The program and the description in English should be ready by tomorrow, please check my page. Get-back-world-respect 00:41, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Gastropods
I see you are doing great work on the gastropods. Good luck! *grins* I do not envy you the task, and you are off to a gret start. I have a few suggestions, since I've taken on similar tasks with primates and cephalopods. Again, I think you're doing a great job. When I get all of the cephalopod species listed, i'll be ready to help you out! - UtherSRG 01:41, 1 May 2004 (UTC)
 * 1) Create a WikiProject. Take a look at my WikiProject Cephalopods since they are so closely related to gastropods. A WikiProject is a good place to focus your thoughts, gather resources, male plans, etc. When you've got it started, post bout it on Announcements so that others can join in.
 * 2) Take a look at cephalopod. I think it's concise and informative, compared to the same section on gastropoda. Sme goes for the relevant sections on the pages below. The general rule of thumb I use is I only go down one full taxon (Class to Order, Order to Family) until I get down to Family when I'l include Genus and Species. On the lower pages, I pretend the table is collapsable, and I've open up only to the part that is relevant, and only show up to the next higher full level, but no higher than the "base" I've set, cephalopod in this case.
 * 3) For the most part, we don't care about the authority of the taxon except the species level in the taxobox.

 * Thanks for your kind words and your offer of cooperation. I have been pondering your request for a new project and you are right : it is no task to be envied.

 * Therefore I sent two emails today:

 * 1) to R.H. de Bruyn, a prominent member of the Dutch Malacological Society and author of several excellent books on molluscs.
 * He answered that he lacks the time, but has given my request to the redaction of the Dutch Malacological Society.
 * 1) to Professor W. Ponder, University of Sydney, Australia. He is the author of the new taxonomy of the Gastropoda and one of the best malacologists in the world.

 * I asked for their cooperation (what an asset this could be for Wikipedia ! ) or if they knew others who would be willing to cooperate. Of course, if you know Wikipedians willing to cooperate, they are most welcome. I'm thinking of biology teachers, or dedicated malacologist etc.

 * Pending their reply, I'll keep my decision under consideration.JoJan 07:00, 2 May 2004 (UTC)

Hi JoJan, I've been working over on slug specifically an article on land slugs. It was just a bunch of stuff about how to kill them so I have added some pictures and slug biology. I could do with your expertise on the taxobox. I have only taken it as far as order, but there are several genera. Billlion 20:53, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Weather Lore
JoJan, thank you for your kind remark. I hope this article sees Featured status, but if not, I've still had the pleasure of writing it. And welcome to Wikipedia -- I see you bring a wealth of knowledge with you. I look forward to working with you. Denni 16:33, 2004 May 7 (UTC)

Sea Hares
Hi Jojan. I found some good Sea hare photos on the web for your requests on Requested pictures. I contacted the owner (Baki Yokeş, a researcher in Turkey), and he agreed to release the photos in the public domain. Notarchus and Petalifera now have great photos. Hope you like em. He also said he as more photos of different species if needed. I am working on the remaining sea hares listed in Requested pictures, so let me know if you need some, or just add more to the list. Best regards, -- Chris 73 | Talk 15:19, 16 May 2004 (UTC)

 * Thanks Chris73. You're doing a great job. Photos as these are difficult to come by. Just add them to the page. If they need formatting, I'll do it if necessary. But don't be surprised if it takes a while, because I'm about to leave on holiday for a couple of weeks. I have made a few requests for photos myself, to a Malacological Society and to a diving club. So far, no response. At the moment, I'm making new pages about sea butterflies. I have already finished the genus Limacina and I'm working now on the other genera. No photos, so far. So, if you can get any photos, they are most welcome. JoJan 19:56, 16 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Did I get the wrong Limacina? Sorry. I'll keep on looking. By the way, i removed the picture requests that have no page yet. I hope this is OK with you, and feel free to add them again when you completed the articles. I just think there is no point in requesting a picture if there is no place to put it. -- Chris 73 | Talk 00:55, 19 May 2004 (UTC)

Fir
Hi JoJan - I hope you won't object too much that I reverted your edits on fir - my reasons are (1), I find the |- form of box formatting much less comprehensible than the 'traditional'  etc format and takes up 3 times as many lines in the edit box; (2), the species order I had used was a taxonomic one (Rushforth & Farjon), with related species next to each other; (3) the extra species (and several of the infraspecific taxa) added are no longer considered valid; (4) the vast number of additional, mainly archaic, vernacular names is confusing and not at all useful; the few of them which are still in occasional use can be added to the relevant species pages, but they do not help here. Valid infraspecific taxa will be mentioned in the species pages; whether they are worth including here I'm less sure, I can add them back in. - MPF 00:44, 19 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Hi JoJan - I appreciate your feelings over my revert and regret the pain caused; I would feel the same over lost work. Unfortunately, as I mentioned, the taxonomic and nomenclatural information was very outdated and inaccurate, in conflict with standard sources like the Kew Checklist. Not your fault, that of the references you had available (I am curious to know what reference it was?). I would expect my work to be given equal peer review. Some of what you did, I have restored, notably the inclusion of infraspecific taxa in the species list.

Of the taxobox, the problem with the wiki markup is that it uses 34 carriage returns, as opposed to just 14 for the HTML markup, so it takes up a lot more space. Is there any way of condensing the wiki markup more? I tried stripping some of the carriage returns out to see if any were redundant (as many are in some of the older HTML taxoboxes), but it didn't work. I have restored the etc., as I agree these are useful. - MPF 09:36, 19 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Horse-chestnut
Hi JoJan - while "Horse Chestnut" may be the commoner, it is also the more confusing, implying these species belong in the genus Castanea. Hyphenating the name avoids this; it is a form of the name which I think should be encouraged as an education for the future. There has been a similar trend in some English bird names, e.g. "Stone Curlew" ("Numenius" oedicnemus) was changed to "Stone-curlew" to avoid confusion and show its seperate (Burhinus oedicnemus) generic status. I guess it depends on whether one thinks an encyclopedia should be reactive (recording the past) or proactive (educating for the future); my preference is for the latter. When individual species pages get written, I think both forms should be included in the text but giving titular prominence to the hyphenated form - MPF 23:48, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Requesting copyright-free images
Hi JoJan. Using images with permission that can only be used on Wikipedia is far from ideal. Our mirrors and forks tend to take all the images indiscriminately, so would be violating the agreement you had with the person that gave you permission. Please see Jimbo's post on Wikien-l about this issue. He suggests such images should be deleted. If you do upload one despite this, please be sure to add to it. This will help re-users of our content to filter out such images if they need to. It would also be useful to note in the article where the image is used that restrictions apply, inside HTML comments. Truly free images are much preferred. See the Finding images tutorial for more details on getting these. Angela. 22:25, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC) --- Dag Jojan,

Bedankt voor je opbouwende kritiek. Ik zal er zeker mee aan de slag gaan. Omdat ik geïnteresseerd ben in wie je was en wat je doet ben ik wat verder gaan zoekn. Zo las ik ook je interesse in vreemde namen omzetten in Nederlandse plantnamen. Misschien wil je derhalve ook eens kijken bij Planten voor industriële verwerking. Ik ben deze pagina aan het vertalen uit de Franse wiki, maar kwam nog meer van dergelijke pagina's tegen. Het kost me echter veel zoekwerk. Groetjes --Rasbak 08:04, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Compacting_Wiki_Taxoboxes
Hi JoJan - could you check in here please, and see if anything more can be done to improve the Wiki taxoboxes?: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life. Thanks, - MPF 16:45, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Gastropods
Thanks for the feedback Jojan. I'm glad I could contribute.

Camassia
I began a page today on this member of the Lily family. I saw that you are a guru of flora, so I hope you will take a look and add as you feel is necessary. There is a corelated article on Quamash the Native American term for the bulb. Thanks in advance. Robbie Giles 05:57, Aug 1, 2004 (UTC)

--18:59, Aug 1, 2004 (UTC)Robbie Giles
 * Thanks for the assist. I will be doing little flora, although I may do some related to native perennials in Idaho and Washington States.  I have lots of reading to do to get up to speed.

Pictures (struik)
Hoi, You mentioned that you had photoshopped the struik picture on en: and reduced it in size. You assumed that I would not object. Well, I do. The point with wikipedia is, is that it is PD I try to make good pictures and by reducing them in size you reduce the usefullnes of the pictrures. As the Wikisoftware does do the reducing there is no need for reducing the pictures.

The implementation of the thumb by showing the detail form is dead wrong; what is required is that the pictures are resized client side to fit the screen. Photoshop is good for red eyes. GerardM 06:32, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)

substub
I noticed the "substub" addition to the pages. I'll follow your lead for the other pages I'm going to create. Just learning. Mikcohen 04:48, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

send me a link to the pic in question
so I can get you additonal picutres I have no ideal about scenitific names. as to the copyright tag thing is there anyway to do it enmass IE I give some admin permission and let em do it. (User:Belizian)

Brassica
Hi Jo - from the New Royal Horticultural Society Dictionary of Gardening. The main thrust of my changes is of course that the various food crop brassicas are of cultivated origin, not wild, and therefore follow the precepts of the International Code of Nomenclature for Cultivated Plants (ICNCP), no longer being given botanical names under the International Code of Botanical Nomenclature (ICBN) below the rank of the wild taxon they derive from. As the various cabbages etc comprise numerous similar cultivars (rather than single cultivars), the applicable name type is the Cultivar Group, given in capitalised roman type (not italics): Xxxxx Group, and (unlike single cultivars) not in single quotes. The IPNI database, being merely an index of all published names, makes no distinction between which are valid under current nomenclatural rules or not. - MPF 15:43, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Taxobox for Devil's coach horse beetle
Dear JoJan

I wrote a little article on the Devil's coach horse beetle, and I haven't done a taxobox as I am not familiar with some of the subtelties of taxonomy.

My taxobox attempt is in Talk:Devil's coach horse beetle, I wonder if you could check it.

I'm not sure about the geographical range of these beetles, certainly wide spread in the British Isles and introduced to New Zealand and California. Maybe you have them in continental Euorpe too -- in which case you perhaps know names in other languages.

Thanks 08:46, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * Done JoJan 15:23, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks nice job. Now I have to catch one in the garden and get it to pose for a photo.Billlion 16:30, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * I found a picture and its author kindly agreed to its use (a bird watcher from the Isle of Man called Chris Wormwell). Now I put it in the taxo box, but not quite right. I made it a thumbnail, but both thumbnail and taxobox seem to want a caption. Do you know how to do this right please? Billlion

Work in progress
Hi JoJan! Just wanted to let you know that there's no need mention in an article's text that it's a work in progress (re Anthurium) -- all Wikipedia articles are a work in progress! :-) If, however, your note is to prevent edit conflicts, then adding the biolerplate message would be fine. Best wishes, Diberri | Talk 19:48, Sep 2, 2004 (UTC)

Alpinia picture (Red Ginger)
I have a ton of these growing on my property down south I've got some heavey equipment going to be onsite next week I will take serveral pics for you when I go do there. As to the Anthurium I don't remember seeing any but I'll be on the look out and will ask around. Belizian 01:27, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC) I have a friend who says she knows where some of these are growing (Anthurium) I will try to take some pics for you this evening Belizian 17:45, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Antirrhinum
You asked: "Antirrhinum On 17 February you did some editing on Antirrhinum. In the article you state that Antirrhinum majus is the only species in this genus. I cannot find confirmation of this fact. Several sites, such as the University of Hawaii and several others, such as this one [[5] (http://caliban.mpiz-koeln.mpg.de/~stueber/snapdragon/snapdragon_species.html)] give around 30 different species in this genus. Can you show me where you got your information ? JoJan 20:36, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)"
 * The source is in the page - ITIS. It lists most of the species on the University of Hawaii site, but reports them as synonyms, with the species having been moved to other genera (which are also listed in the page).  I must say that between February and now I have become more sceptical of ITIS.  But usually it is inclined to be unduly conservative, so where it has changed the classification from the traditional one, there are usually good grounds for doing so.  Nonetheless, it would be worth looking in the technical literature, especially for any molecular systematics on the family.  I'll have a bit of an explore and modify the page if I find anything interestingly different from the ITIS report.  seglea 19:41, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Ah, a bit of a look in Web of Knowledge shows that the ITIS view is eccentric in the extreme. The taxonomy of the genus is a complete mess, but no-one has recently argued for cutting it to a single species.  The best source is Ryan K. Oyama and David A. Baum (2004)  Phylogenetic relationships of North American Antirrhinum (Veronicaceae), American Journal of Botany, 91:918-925; the introduction summarises the current mess and there are tables comparing different proposed classification schemes.  I will have a go at modifying the page in the light of this article.  seglea 20:03, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Major re-write now done. Can you find the other species in sections Antirrhinum and Orontium?  seglea 21:41, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Pics in new taxoboxes
Hi Jo - not sure if you've seen this bug problem that's been reported: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life item 7: that pics which only appear in a new taxobox expansion don't get listed as in use on the pic's page (and therefore risk being deleted by admin as unwanted orphans). The pic Image:Araucaria.columnaris1web.jpg you uploaded, is only in the Araucaria taxobox, so I've put it on the Araucaria talk page as well to make the pic show up as in use. I've not checked for other pics you've uploaded and put in taxoboxes though. - MPF 21:32, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you, I will put some Latin names as soon as possible. Dixi

Thank you
Thank you, I will put some Latin names as soon as posiible. Dixi

Dutch Wikipedia symposium in Rotterdam (27/11/2004)
Hi,

As a personal initiative I want to mention to you http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Symposium/Najaar_2004

There have been some voices that Dutch-speaking Belgian wikipedians might be underrepresented at that venue, so I took the liberty to post this message on the talk page of all people I found on Wikipedians/Belgium.

If this doesn't apply to you (e.g. while French-speaking, or not interested in Dutch wikipedia,...) simply ignore this message.

--Francis Schonken 09:31, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Copyright tags
Hi Jo - I'm not certain what you mean here; what I've put is the exact text that the USDA web page ask you to put (I just copied & pasted it), thinking that following their request to the letter would be the best thing to do. What else is needed? Thanks, Michael MPF 16:47, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Hi Jo - Thanks; I'm not sure I understand at all, I'm not at all well up on what all this stuff means; I certainly don't want to have to faff around with e-mailing the photographer, so I guess I'd better pull them. Should I ask Uther to quick-delete them? - MPF 17:33, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Hi Jo, thanks again; I guess I'll ask Uther to delete them. The Tanoak, I've got a couple of acorns in my herbarium I'll scan as a stop-gap until someone can take a decent pic, but I've not got any Chrysolepis I can use. I think those are the only ones I've uploaded with the 'non-commercial only' restriction. Sorry to hear you've lost a lot of pics, too. Does it affect the pics you've uploaded from that Belgian website? (e.g. the ones at elm and pedunculate oak), if yes, really sad as they're excellent photos. MPF 19:15, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

dup?
Taxonomy of the orchid family and Taxonomy of the Orchid family, both created by you, seem to be mostly overlapping but are not identical. Presumably one should be a redir to the other? Stan 03:54, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * I must have been a bit overzealous. I merged both articles and made a redirect. JoJan 14:36, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Wikimeet Rotterdam
In the presentation in Rotterdam I will present Wikispecies. However I will not go into the relation with en:ToL. The reason is that I have a limited amount of time AND I have to talk in that time about Wiktionary as well. Wiktionary is more relevant to the majority of the people attending.

I am more than happy to discuss the relation between ToL and WikiSpecies outside of the presentation with people who are interested.

I am in favour of having the active ToL people subscribe to the WikiSpecies mailinglist. They can as far as I am concerned discuss ToL topics on this list. The point is however, that it is not only en:ToL people that this mailinglist would be open to. The best place to discuss the relation ToL and WikiSpecies is in my opinion on WikiSpecies itself. :) The object is that we start to cooperate more between the different projects. GerardM 21:33, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Molecular systematics
Sounds like DNA barcoding should be added; but I don't have time to do the research just now (last year I was on sabbatical, with the leisure to read about things that were important; this year I am back to teaching, and the only reading I have time for at the moment is what my students have to do - you may have noticed I've been missing from Wikipedia for a few weeks). Do you have time to edit the article a bit? I'll try to get back to it in a few weeks' time when the rush has died down. seglea 21:35, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * very nice article. I've tweaked the English a bit, as you request, but to be honest I'd be very happy if half the articles by native speakers were as well written.  seglea 20:26, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Witte ibis
Dank je voor het toevoegen van de GDFL aan de witte ibis foto. Ik zal nog eens goed al mn plaatjes aflopen om dat sjabloon erbij te zetten. Ze staan er inmiddels al een tijdje en meeste zijn gewoon mijn eigen kiekjes. nl.Jcwf aka Jaap, Raleigh NC

Tree of Life...
So what's with Wikipedia Tree of Life/Update of the Angiosperm Phylogeny Group? Is it OK in copyright terms? And why is it at such a non-standard name? -- Jmabel | Talk 00:33, Oct 17, 2004 (UTC)

 * The original article at the Blackwell Group stated that it was free content, as long as the origin was mentioned. This means the copyright tag is, which is within the Wikipedia copyright restraints. This page is of great importance to all contributors working on botanical articles. Therefore the name is linked to the "Tree of Life". It may be a somewhat strange name, but every botanist knows what it is all about.  JoJan 09:23, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Glad it's OK in copyright terms. We should probably state the copyright situation explicitly in the article so that anyone who copies it from us can easily conform and future editors know not to remove that. Also, if we are going to keep it in main article space, why can't we put it in a normal title? The "/" thing in "main" space violates policy. Or we could make it Tree of Life/Update of the Angiosperm Phylogeny Group, since Wikipedia space does not have that rule. -- Jmabel | Talk 09:30, Oct 17, 2004 (UTC)

 * OK. What about moving to : Update of the Angiosperm Phylogeny Group ? JoJan 09:33, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * It's outside my realm of knowledge to understand if that is right. Is this intended as a Wikipedia article? If it's just an editors' tool, the name should be of the form ... . If it is intended as a Wikipedia article, why "update of..."? -- Jmabel | Talk 09:44, Oct 17, 2004 (UTC)

Foto's
Hoi JoJan. Ik zag zojuist je voorstel op de symposiumpagina geplaatst op 4 oktober. Ik vind het wel een aardig idee. Alleen zijn de meeste nl wikipedianen tegen boxjes. Zelfs navigatietabellen mogen misschien binnenkort niet meer. Anyway, ik wil graag over je idee van gedachten wisselen op de wikimeet. Groetjes vanuit Bangkok, Thailand, Waerth 09:49, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Leaf
I've only begun to read it, but I've glance over the etinrety to get a feel for the scope of the article. Fantastic! I'll read the whole thing closely later tonight. - UtherSRG 21:16, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Wikinations
Hello JoJan ! You are Belgian and you like to contribute to Wikipedia, like me ? Then you may like to contribute to Wikinations.be too: it is a wiki site that collaboratively builds a practical encyclopedia of Belgium (in French for the moment, but you could start the Dutch version !). I just started this project, and I thought that you might be interested (although quite different from your current contributions). So, see you soon over there ? (Sorry for the disturbance if you are not interested) Pcarbonn 09:23, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Image:Shakyamuni.jpg
Hey, thanks for adding this image to Wikipedia. However, I wanted to check with you about its copyright status. The website it appears on says "Photographs © Dennis Mojado." Did the copyright owner agree for it to be released under the GFDL? - Nat Krause 03:21, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Okay, cool. I didn't realize that a non-GFDL license was okay for images.  Current policy is somewhat confusing.  Thanks. - Nat Krause 07:42, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * You've marked this image as cc-by-2.0, but the license on the source site is cc-by-nd, which would make it illegal for Wikipedia to use (the no derivatives clause is the deal-breaker). Do you have written permission from the creator to use cc-by-2.0? —Tkinias 11:58, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * You're right. The tag is cc-by-nd. But the problem is, I can't reach the author. When you click on "email" in his website, all you get is a useless popup. Obviously, he doesn't want to be disturbed by emails. JoJan 13:43, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Image:Rafinesque.jpg
Greetings! An image you uploaded, Image:Rafinesque.jpg, does not give a source or any license information. Can you please verify that you have the permission of the copyright holder to use the image under an acceptable license? —Tkinias 11:49, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I just uploaded a slightly different version at Image:Rafinesque_2.jpg. For our purposes, I think not having the border on it is preferable. How do you feel about using that one? (I also enlarged it slightly, adjusted the contrast, and converted it to greyscale to reduce the file size.) —Tkinias 02:31, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Go ahead. This picture is better. JoJan 09:19, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I've marked my pictureuploads of instruments as such. Arent 10:33, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Orchid photos
I've done as you suggest and put them on List of Orchidaceae genera - remove any that shouldn't be there. They're also on user:KayEss/Gallery along with some other flowers (which I'm also not sure of). I've put some minimal information in the image pages. I'll try to find out what the Thai names are at least. If I'm really lucky then the Thai reference books will have latin names too - fingers crossed.

If there are any specific ones that you want me to hunt for then I can see if my mother-in-law can buy one or two and I'll head to Ubon to photo them or try to find them locally (Bangkok). --KayEss 11:32, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your compliments. I'll have to start trying to find the Thai names next week after my wife returns from a trip. At least some of them must be natural (or at least old) as I think they have traditional Thai names. For example, I remember that the name of image:Orchid-03-KayEss-1.jpeg translates as something like peasant's dress or farm woman's skirt. I'll try to look more into it over the next week. --KayEss 13:05, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

It looks like I've done slightly better with this one Image:Dischidia pectinoides-KayEss-1.jpeg which I've put on List of garden plants.

I'm not entirely sure of the notation yet, but I've found a book with a picture of what looks exactly like Image:Orchid-01-KayEss-1.jpeg which lists it as (Phalaenopsis) Griswell Gonzales x Miki Saituo 'First No.1' --KayEss 07:13, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * This orchid looks much like the Moon Orchid (Phalaenopsis amabilis)(see the Phalaenopsis article). If not, it is then a Phalaenopsis hybrid (one of several thousands), a very popular orchid hybrid. As to the Ant Plant, there is no article yet on Dischidia. Have you ever considered writing one ? All help is welcome. Before starting such an article, I advise to read the instructions in the WikiProject Tree of Life. If you need any help, don't hesitate to ask. JoJan 15:40, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing
Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:
 * Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
 * Multi-Licensing Guide
 * Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the " " template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

 * Option 1
 * I agree to multi-license all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

OR
 * Option 2
 * I agree to multi-license all my contributions to any U.S. state, county, or city article as described below:

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace " " with "  ". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. – Ram-Man (comment) (talk)  13:43, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)

Image copyrights
Hi, I'm working on the image tagging project and I've come across some photos that you've uploaded with no licencing information. If they're yours are you releaseing our photos under the GFDL? If so could you tag them with. Many thanks --nixie 09:13, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Oregon white oak pics
Hi Jo - sorry to have to report, but the pics you uploaded from Washington State Dept. of Transportation are not public domain; the site is only run by the state government, not the federal government, so is not covered by the federal government rules; it is marked "Copyright WSDOT © 2001" at the foot of the page. I know as I'd wanted to use pics from that site before and decided I couldn't :-(( - Michael MPF 23:52, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I fear the same applies to the pic at Swamp chestnut oak too - it is just the Tennessee state, not the federal govt. - MPF 00:02, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing this out. I've put these images on the list for speedy deletion. I'm afraid we'll have to do without pictures for this articles. JoJan 08:12, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

WilgStruik1web.jpg
Hi, I'm currently involved in the Untagged Images project and can across WilgStruik1web.jpg which you uploaded. The info with the picture states it has the same license as another image that no longer exists. Evil Monkey → Talk 21:53, Dec 12, 2004 (UTC)
 * I have requested a speedy deletion of this page, since it is redundant - see image:WilgStruik.jpg JoJan 08:57, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Images
Hi Jo - stumbled across this website by chance Pacific Island Ecosystems at Risk - as it is a branch of the US Forest Service, it is a work of the federal govt and (largely) copyright-free, though there are a few of the photos are not, with individual copyright notices. But it looks to be a useful source. I just uploaded a nice Cinnamon pic from it - MPF 22:56, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Michael JoJan 08:57, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

More images
Hi JoJan, I have been trying to find the Richard Dell images as you requested, but so far no one has even replied to my emails. I will keep trying and let you know if I have any luck :( -- FirstPrinciples 10:52, Dec 21, 2004 (UTC)

Unverified images
Hi! Thanks for uploading the following image:

 * Image:Eibeyew1web.jpg

I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use if you release it under the GNU Free Documentation License,  if you wish to release your own work to the public domain,  if you claim fair use, etc.) If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know at my talk page where you got the images and I'll tag them for you. Thanks so much. Peter O. (Talk, automation script) 05:48, Dec 25, 2004 (UTC)

P.S. You can help tag other images at User:Yann/Untagged_Images. Thanks again.

 * This image is reworking of this image : [[Image:English Yew close 250.jpg]], which has the copyright tag . I have put the tags on the edit page of this image.  JoJan 07:06, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)

ALSO:
 * Image:Ceratophyllum demersum.jpg] --Kbh3rd 06:22, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I have replaced this image by new ones under  JoJan 10:25, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

CSD
Heya, please keep in mind there are only a few fairly strict categories for speedy deletion, listed here. Vanity is not a speedy criterion for speedy deletion, so vanity articles should not be marked for speedy deletion but be listed on Votes for Deletion. --fvw *  17:14, 2004 Dec 26 (UTC)

Taxonomy & J. floridae
Thanks for adding the photo. You might also want to look at the WikiSpecies Project. I just stumbled into it tonight. Also, you might want to start uploading photos, etc. to the Wiki Commons area.

Christos Sartzetakis
Thanks, great article. I did a light copyedit to standardize the Eng., but not much was needed. Ellsworth 21:27, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Plant genus authors
Hi Jo - interesting idea to add these, but the template you're using is one designed for zoological genus authors, following ICZN rules of Author, date. They need a separate botanical author template, following the ICBN rules of Author with the option of (Author) Revising author (without a date). I also wonder if it is necessary to have the author on a separate line, most cases it will fit well on the same line (i.e., without the 'br'), which will look better (I think, anyway!) - MPF 23:21, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

WorkingMansSpaceParty vote
Please move your vote from the article page WorkingMansSpaceParty to the vote page Votes for deletion/WorkingMansSpaceParty. Kappa 05:29, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Images from Dennis Mojado
Hello JoJan, you uploaded a lot of images from Dennis Mojado and gives them the copyright tag:

but the real copyright for his work is: cc-by-nd so it is not allowed to upload these images on Wikimedia Commons. I doen’t know if they can stay on English Wikipedia. Please, check it out. Best wishes! Nordelch
 * I've obtained the permission by email today. I've sent a reply to the user page of Mordelch. JoJan 18:58, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Jojan, ik ben niet zo gelukkig met de wijzigingen die je hebt aangebracht aan de pagina over Oostduinkerke op de Wiki nl. De Hoge Blekker, waar ik zelf een artikel heb over geschreven en een zelfgemaakte foto heb bij geplaatst ligt niet in Oostduinkerke maar in Koksijde. Idem dito voor de abdij. Graag reactie op mijn gebruikerspagina op wiki nl (gebruiker Donderwolk, die je terugvindt in de geschiedenis van de pagina) en niet hier. Thundercloud 16:56, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Alstonia
Hi Jo - the text says 43 species (which I've just amended to 40-45 from details in the books I have), but the species list you added includes 87 names, half of which are presumably synonyms not now regarded as distinct species - any chance of being able to separate out the ones not now accepted as distinct? (I don't have a full species list for the genus) - MPF 10:40, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks; I could get the Blumea paper on inter-library loan, but it isn't a genus I'm specially interested in so probably won't bother. I may add a note to the effect 'this is a list of published names, not of accepted taxa' or something (but not now, as wikipedia is being painfully slow at the moment!) - MPF 19:08, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Re: Proposed bot for genera and species
Most of the plants at my university's garden are labelled. -- AllyUnion (talk) 19:14, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Also, I am only proposing this for well established species that haven't changed their name classification in the past 25 to 50 years. -- AllyUnion (talk) 09:43, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Terminator2004.01.jpg listed for deletion
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Terminator2004.01.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in its not being deleted. Thank you. —MetsBot 19:27, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia allows you up upload a file over another. See Image:Terminator2004.jpg now and you'll find two files at the bottom under the file history. Since it's the same image but enhanced it should be on the same file. Cburnett 23:48, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Re: User:Ladnav
Actually, Fuzheado blocked the user indefinitely at 15:10. I was in the process of doing the same (whilst simultaneously reverting), but Wikipedia decided to hiccup. Thus I only got a few reverts in; most of my clicks returned a helpful "database error". Should be okay now; I'll keep an eye out for as long as I'm here in case Ladnav tries to circumvent the block. -- Hadal 15:28, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

European Toilet Paper Holder
Hi JoJan: Is it possible that you edited User:Bishonen/European toilet paper holder without realising that it is a rather complex joke? By separating the picture of Elizabeth I from its caption you dilute the implication that the creature in the picture is a Palladian polar bear. Similarly, the translation of sans-cullottes as "without toilet paper" relies upon widespread knowledge of the correct translation. Perhaps you could revert these changes. --Theo (Talk) 17:31, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Hmmm? There was a good deal of editing within a brief time--I didn't realize the Elizabeth caption was gone. Me, I only came here to thank you for enhancing the rather miserable-looking Eric XIV image, I've always been hoping somebody with the know-how would do that. Thank you! I have already restored ALoan's special translation of sans-culottes, which, uh, hrrrm, is current only in an isolated Alpine village with a lot of cousin-marriage. Hope you don't mind! Bischånen|Tåk 18:02, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Warszewiczia
I was wondering about the "common" names you added/modified - especially the "Orangegold" Chaconia and the "Uxpanapa Chaconia". I am guessing that these are names that Charlotte Taylor made up? Do you have a reference for the names? Thanks. Guettarda 16:30, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Youi also added blooming on August 31, (Independence Day). to the W. coccinea article. This doesn't make any sense to me - apart from the fact that I hav never heard that connection, I don't even think that's the right time of year for it to bloom (trying to think when I usually have seen it in flower - I was thinking it was a dry season flowerer, but I may be wrong). Do you have a source for that assertion? Thanks. Guettarda 16:39, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Uitstapje
Hi,

Ik heb op Overleg gebruiker:Pethan voorgesteld een keer een foto-uitstapje te maken naar een plantenrijk gebied. Ik kan me voorstellen dat de afstand een bezwaar is, maar uitgenodigd ben je in ieder geval. TeunSpaans 16:37, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Asparagus
Hi is there any particular reason you moved Asparagus to Asparagus (vegetable))? I've never heard of another use for the term and I'd like to move it back, but if you have a good reason I won't. Thanks - Taxman 22:19, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, there was a good reason for doing so. The term Asparagus, in the English language, denotes the vegetable (Asparagus officinalis) as well as the genus (Asparagus). To prevent ambiguity, both articles have been renamed as Asparagus (vegetable) and Asparagus (genus). In many other languages the vegetable has a different name : asperge (Dutch, French), Spargel (German).  JoJan 14:16, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, but that doesn't preclude having the vegetable at Asparagus and leaving the genus article where it is. There would be no more ambiguity there than the redirect straight to the vegetable as it is now. Especially if the top of the Asparagus page about the vegetable noted the genus article. It is naming convention to have the most common use of a topic at the most common name. And the fact that other languages have different names does not affect this issue since this is the English Wikipedia. Other language versions should title it by their name. - Taxman 15:46, Apr 29, 2005 (UTC)

 * I think we can come to a common ground by using Asparagus for the vegetable and mentioning on top of the page : see Asparagus (genus) for the botanical description of the genus. If you agree to this, you can go ahead and change it.  JoJan 17:50, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes that is exactly what I was thinking, so it is done. Adjust the message if you think it needs it, but keep it as short as possible. - Taxman 18:16, Apr 29, 2005 (UTC)

Bananas
Hi

Have you seen last modification (February 2005) of your Image:Musa-sp3.1.jpg - bananas tree? I am afraid now it is wrong...

Regards --Julo 23:39, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
 * On the contrary, MPF has it right. Bananas grow upwards. JoJan 07:38, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Mollusca Cladogram
Hello JoJan, I have made cladogram of Mollusca on Czech Wikipedia Vývoj měkkýšů Any comments are welcome. --194.212.142.251 15:43, 11 May 2005 (UTC) cs:Wikipedista:snek01

 * You have done a fine job. Due to their great diversity, cladistics of the Mollusca is not quite resolved yet. Your cladogram seems to fit with the cladogram on the site of the University of Alberta, Canada : . Another good cladogram is given by the Wesleyan : and by the Comparative Toxicogenomic Database :.

If you would translate the Czech terms in the cladogram, it could be inserted in the en.wikipedia. JoJan 08:57, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Turkey pics
Hi Jo - thanks; Image:Pinus pinea(02).jpg and Image:Pinus pinea(03).jpg are Pinus brutia (Turkish Pine); Image:Pinus pinea(01).jpg might also be, but I'm not 100% certain on this one - MPF 15:46, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Hi again - the Acacia has cladodes, not bipinnate leaves, so can't be A. dealbata; it is likely to be Acacia melanoxylon (the most commonly cultivated cladode-bearing species in the Mediterranean region), though with hundreds of species of Acacia, I can't be certain on that. - MPF 18:05, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I doubt very much that these are Acacia melanoxylon, because this species has phyllodes and not cladodes (at least, according to my books). Besides, everyone in Turkey called this tree a 'mimosa', i.e. either Albizia julibrissin (which it isn't) or Acacia dealbata. Or am I completely wrong ? JoJan 19:04, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Hi Jo - sorry, my terminology mistake! - I meant phyllodes when I said cladodes. A. dealbata doesn't have either, it has silvery double-pinnate leaves, as e.g. here - MPF 20:40, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Laïs
Looks good. I made a couple small edits. - UtherSRG 18:15, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

Swan Cove.bewerkt.jpg
Hi, I've tagged Image:Swan Cove.bewerkt.jpg as unverified as it doesn't have a source or copyright status listed. Please update if you have anymore information on the source. Thanks --BCKILLa 15:51, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

List of Acacia species
You can't be serious! You are telling me it was by design that I should be going down the list and then, all of the sudden, there's a bullet with like 200 species names all stacked up. Just because it was on purpose does not make it good form. It's messy, ugly, and above all else, confusing and disruptive. If there's a special case for those species, then say it, but don't just leave them like that. There's no point in having some reason like that, but keeping it to yourself, while the readers are puzzled. --Dmcdevit 15:20, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

nl wikipedia image licencing
Hi JoJan, nearly two months ago you posted a question about image licencing policies on Dutch wikiepdia on User talk:Francis Schonken/Dutch - Sorry for not looking at that page often enough, and only answering now.

To answer your question: I really don't know how image licencing policies work today at Dutch wikipedia. I used to have the impression that (in general) at Dutch wikipedia there was a lack of understanding how GFDL and compatible licencing systems work. I have no idea whether in the mean while they were able to sort out these kind issues there. nl:gebruiker:Danielm used to be one of those having most understanding of how it works (in general and on Dutch wikipedia), so maybe you could ask him.

Confusing copyleft and "non-commercial" often happens...

Sorry for not being able to help you better. --Francis Schonken 08:20, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Grand Turk (frigate)
Ah! What a beautiful ship. I had just watched Cutthroat Island and Pirates of the Caribbean this weekend, so I'm loving tall ships these days. I've made some minor edits throughout the article, but it was fine without them. - UtherSRG 22:29, May 25, 2005 (UTC)

Cultivars
You wrote "And then there is the problem of the cultivars. I don't think anyone has bothered yet describing a cultivar on a separate page. But whenever this should happen, a template should be at hand." So you might like to comment at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life. Gdr 08:47, 2005 May 27 (UTC)

Testacella baliotidea
Hi JoJan I have made a start on an article on this interesting carnivorous slug: Testacella baliotidea. It does not seem to have a common name in English. If you have the time would you mind checking my taxobox please? Billlion 08:37, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Well done. I added some text and changed the title to Shelled Slug with a redirect. BTW the exact name is Testacella haliotidea. I sent also an email to a site in Germany, requesting for an image without copyright. We'll see about that. JoJan 11:13, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks JoJan! I had seen both versions of the latin name on web sites and thought they were different species. Good edits too. My father tells me he has seen either this slug or a close relative in his garden in Cumbria so I will ry to get a photo as well. Billlion 20:37, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

JoJan, not got a picture of one yet, but I notice in you wrote that it is rare. Where did you get that information as I wonder how rare it is? Billlion 20:51, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * It is an underreported slug, which is considered "rare" by this UK website : []. I hope you may stumble on one by chance and take its picture JoJan 21:13, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Image source
Thank you for uploading Image:Street_light.jpg. Its copyright status is unclear, so it may have to be deleted. Please leave a note on the image page about the source of the image. Thank you.
 * I added the copyright tag {{cc-by-2.0}}

Image:Encyclia-cordigera.jpg also needs copyright status. Please mark it accordingly. If you need any help, feel free to leave a note on my Talk page. --Kevin McManus 02:08, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * I added the copyright tag  JoJan 13:53, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for following up :) --Kevin McManus 16:53, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)

Image:Spiranthes-cernua.web.jpg listed for deletion
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Image:Rhynchostlis-gigantea.jpg
Thank you for uploading Image:Rhynchostlis-gigantea.jpg. Its copyright status is unclear, so it may have to be deleted. Please leave a note on the image page about the source of the image. Thank you. Nv8200p 03:29, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * The copyright tag is . See discussion page of the image. JoJan 08:16, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

title: User talk:JoJan/Archive 2


text:
Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Perspective (visual)

Example of perspective

The image exemplifies the concept of perspective, as objects become more distant, they begin to appear smaller. This image appears in article about Perspective (visual). This image was taken by Priit Kallas on June 4th 2004, Võsu, Estonia.

 * Nominate and support. - Pk2000 14:47, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Illustrates perspective well, but kind of boring for a featured picture. Phoenix2 06:46, July 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Oppose Phoenix2 03:22, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Oppose - The largest stalks are distracting since they're out of focus. Sango  123  18:06, July 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Oppose Only illustrate perspective marginally well, plus the out-of-focus elements are distracting. Alight 15:37, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Support It is a good example of perspective, and would be a nice change of pace. Uber nemo 04:34, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * ( − ) Oppose Although it's not that major, the noisy sky tips the balance against the image. --Fir0002 10:00, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * Oppose - not a good illustration of perspective, there are many better possibilities (railway tracks, clouds, aircraft contrails, paintings, roads etc). I dislike the out of focus parts and the convergence of parallel lines is not shown clearly - Adrian Pingstone 08:41, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I strongly dislike the out of focus parts as well. Enochlau 11:34, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Oppose --ScottyBoy900Q ∞ 20:35, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Oppose -- Longhair | Talk 05:11, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * This link is Broken 13:35, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

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Paddy Devlin

Patrick Joseph "Paddy" Devlin (8 March 1925 – 15 August 1999) was an Irish socialist, labour and civil rights activist and writer. He was a founding member of the Social Democratic and Labour Party (SDLP), a former Stormont MP, and a member of the 1974 Power Sharing Executive.

Described as a "relentless campaigner against sectarianism", Devlin had once been a member of the IRA but later renounced physical force republicanism to work at transcending sectarian differences through peaceful, socialist and nationalist political means.

During the late 1960s he entered local politics in the Belfast City Council and went on to help found the SDLP in 1970 with John Hume, Gerry Fitt, Austin Currie and others.

Early life
Devlin was born in the Pound Loney in the Lower Falls in West Belfast on 8 March 1925 and lived in the city for almost all his life. His mother was a leading activist in Joe Devlin's (no relation) Nationalist Party machine in the Falls area and Devlin grew up in a highly political household. However his early activism was confined to Fianna Éireann and then the Irish Republican Army (IRA) and as a result he was interned in Crumlin Road Gaol from 1942 to 1945 at age 17. After his release he became convinced that physical force nationalism would not succeed in its goals.

Post-war
After the war, and in search of work, he spent some time in Portsmouth working as a scaffolder and in Coventry working in the car industry. In Coventry he became interested in Labour and trade union politics and briefly joined the British Labour Party.

Returning to Belfast in 1948 he found the local Labour Party split over partition. Under Harry Midgley’s influence the Northern Ireland Labour Party (NILP) had adopted a pro-partition position. In response, many anti-partition Labour activists left the NILP and joined the Irish Labour Party, which was led locally by Jack Beattie who was an MP in Stormont and Westminster. Paddy Devlin joined the Irish Labour Party in 1949.

Devlin was elected as the Irish Labour candidate in a council by-election for the Falls ward in 1956 beating Gerry Fitt who fought the election as the Dock Labour Party candidate.

Later Catholic Action claimed the Irish Labour Party was infested with communists and ensured the party were effectively wiped out and Devlin lost his seat in 1958. In the same year, in the aftermath of the Council election defeat, he decided to join the Northern Ireland Labour Party.

In 1967 Devlin was elected Chairman of the NILP. In the Northern Ireland elections held in 1969, Devlin stood as the NILP candidate and beat Republican Labour's Harry Diamond for the Falls seat in Stormont.

From 1968 through 1969, Devlin was very involved in the Northern Ireland civil rights movement. The heavy handed response by the RUC and the B Specials to civil rights marches resulted in widespread rioting. The confrontations descended into sectarian violence as Catholic areas, especially in Belfast, came under attack from Loyalist gangs with many families being burnt out of their homes.

Devlin’s relationship with the NILP became more strained as he detected a “deafening silence” with “no statements condemning the horrors of the summer, no assertion of the non-sectarian socialist principles we had tried to promote … the NILP in fact tended to disregard the existence of the civil rights movement”. Devlin believed that the NILP working in alliance with the civil rights movement could have changed the situation and reduced the sectarian tensions. Instead, what he deemed to be the party's inadequate response in the summer of 1969 led to his drift away from the NILP. Devlin started discussing with other Labour activists, civil rights leaders and moderate nationalists the possibility of launching a new party. In response to these discussions, the NILP terminated his party membership in August 1970.

Devlin then went on, with Fitt, John Hume, Austin Currie and others to found the SDLP in 1970. The Social Democratic and Labour Party (SDLP) brought together politicians and activists from Labour, civil rights and moderate Irish Nationalist backgrounds to form a party committed to achieving a united Ireland by consent and to working within the Northern Ireland political structures for constructive local cross-community politics. At the time of the SDLP's formation, Devlin believed “the basic party philosophy was to be socialist and democratic and work for the unity of Ireland by consent”.

He was later involved, at the request of William Whitelaw, the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, in ensuring safe passage for Gerry Adams for talks with the British government in 1973.

He was a member of the Northern Ireland Assembly, 1973 and Minister of Health and Social Services in the power-sharing Executive from 1 January 1974 to 28 May 1974. The power-sharing Executive was a cross-community coalition administration. The SDLP joined the Executive along with the pro-power-sharing wing of the Ulster Unionist Party and the Alliance Party. The Executive would be short-lived. It collapsed after five months at the end of May 1974 following the Protestant workers Ulster Workers Council strike.

By 1977 Devlin felt that the SDLP “was being stripped of its socialism and being taken over by unadulterated nationalists”. These differences came to a head when Devlin resigned as chairman of the parliamentary group and issued a statement criticising the direction of the SDLP. A few days later the SDLP executive met and voted to expel him from the party.

In 1978 he established the United Labour Party, which aimed to be a broad based Labour formation in Northern Ireland. He stood under its label for the European Parliament in 1979 but polled just 6,122 first preferences (1.1% of those cast) and thereby lost his deposit.

Devlin did not support the hunger strike and the campaign for political status for Republican prisoners. He was re-elected as an Independent Socialist to Belfast City Council in the 1981 local elections but with a much reduced vote of 1,343; down from the 7,087 votes he won four years earlier.

In 1987 he, together with remnants of the NILP and others, established Labour '87 as another attempt at building a Labour Party in Northern Ireland (LPNI) by uniting the disparate groups supporting labour and socialist policies but it too met with little or no success. In 1985 he lost his place on Belfast City council.

Devlin was also involved in the Peace Train Organisation.

Devlin suffered from severe diabetes and throughout the 1990s suffered a series of ailments as his health and sight collapsed.

Political beliefs
John Hume and others supposedly saw Devlin as too forgiving of police, but not the British Army, as Devlin supported a motion tabled at the SDLP's annual conference in 1976 for British withdrawal. The motion, also supported by Ivan Cooper, Seamus Mallon, and Paddy Duffy, but opposed by Party leader Gerry Fitt, John Hume and Austin Currie, was defeated by 153 votes to 111. Devlin also spoke out against the assassination of Irish National Liberation Army chief Ronnie Bunting in 1980, commonly attributed to an Ulster Defence Association hit squad, but which Devlin always believed was carried out by an 'SAS type' unit with British Security force involvement.

Devlin was a lifelong socialist who ended up being expelled from the SDLP for criticizing its lack of socialist politics.

Outside of party politics, Devlin spent his later years as Area Secretary of the Irish Transport and General Workers' Union. His knowledge of the Industrial Relations Order (Northern Ireland 1976) was extensive. He wrote an acclaimed study (his MSc thesis) of the 1935 Outdoor Relief Riots in Belfast, published as Yes We Have No Bananas in 1985.

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Talk:Topless (disambiguation)

I've changed the redirect back to Nudity, as this seems to be more relevant to toplessness than any other Wikipedia article. The previous redirect (to Topfree equality) was inappropriate - most uses of the word "topless" have nothing to do with the North American "topfree" movement. AdorableRuffian 14:48, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

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Ślęza (disambiguation)

The Ślęza is a river in Lower Silesia, Poland.

Ślęza or Ślęża may also refer to:
 * Ślęza, Lower Silesian Voivodeship, a village in Lower Silesia
 * Mount Ślęża, a mountain in the Sudeten Foreland in Lower Silesia
 * Ślęża Landscape Park, a protected area around Mount Ślęża

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Talk:Gutter Ballet

non-professional biased review
It lists Clay Melton as one of the professional reviews. This is a completely biased review as it was commissioned by the band and featured on the band's official website, let alone uses insider knowledge to paint a picture of the album. This review does not follow wikipedia's guide for reviews re: it's not unbiased or by a source independent of the artist. Further, even if it is an independent review, the band has chosen to list only this reviewer on their website as the "official band review", versus the common approach of a page of all reviews and press, good and bad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.64.113.160 (talk) 18:28, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

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Lev Naumov

Lev Nikolayevich Naumov (Лев Никола́евич Нау́мов; 12 February 1925, Rostov – 21 August 2005, Moscow) was a Russian classical pianist, composer and educator. Received a title of People's Artist of Russia and was nicknamed the "Godfather of the Russian piano school".

Professor Naumov studied with the legendary Heinrich Neuhaus, becoming his assistant and eventually his successor. Naumov was a professor of piano at the Moscow Tchaikovsky Conservatory and a jury member in many international competitions. Professor Naumov's studio produced some of the better-known pianists to emerge from Russia in the past 40 years. Among his students at different times were such pianists as Sergey Arzibaschev, Ksenia Bashmet, Vladimir Viardo, Irina Vinogradova, Maria Voskresenskaya, Andrei Gavrilov, Dmitri Galynin, Pavel Gintov, Nairi Grigorian, Andrey Diev, Peter Dmitriev, Pavel Dombrovsky, Violetta Egorova, Victor Eresko, Andrej Hoteev, Ilya Itin, Alexander Kobrin, Daniil Kopylov, Alexey Kudryashov, Sviatoslav Lips, Dong-Hyek Lim, Vassily Lobanov, Alexei Lubimov, Anna Malikova, Alexander Melnikov, Alexei Nasedkin, Natalia Naumowa, Kadzuki Nisimon, Dmitry Onishenko, Valery Petach, Boris Petrushansky, Juri Rosum, Konstantin Scherbakov, Ivan Sokolov, Vladimir Soultanov, Alexei Sultanov, Sergey Tarasov, Alexander Toradze, Alexander Tschaikowski, Alexander Tselyakov, Rem Urasin, Andrei Yeh, Artemis H.R. Yen and many others.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/English for children

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The result of the debate was delete. Joyous (talk) 18:19, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

English for children
Non-notable company advertisement. Reads like an ad brochure for the company. Searching on Google found very few links that can be attributed to this company. Recommend delete. —Cleared as filed. 14:53, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

KeepIt is not an advertisement, it is an information guide to the company. Wikipedia is designed to provide users with free information about a whole range of different topics; this is one such topic. The page does not, in any way, advance the goals of the firm through commercial usage, only affirming its existence. -80.120.190.34 In response to the above criticisims, I firstly reformatted the page to make it more formal and remove any hint of an adverising tone. Next, the arguement proposed that the firm in question is non-notable has to be discussed from several viewpoints. Also, the definition of an encyclopedia according to the merriam-webster's dictionary is, " a work that contains information on all branches of knowledge." and from dictionary.com, "A comprehensive reference work containing articles on a wide range of subjects." Looking at the definitions, one can see that wikipedia, the proclaimed "online and free encyclopedia" should be held to that definition. "All branches of knowledge" and "wide range of sujects" dictates that wikipedia should allow this page to be left online as it constitutes to a widening of the available knowledge on this site. Lastly, according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia, wikipedia's own mission statement, " Its(wikipedia) purpose is to create and distribute a free international encyclopedia in as many languages as possible." The mission statement itself states that the authors on wikipedia are merely expending it to encompass all ranges of topics. I am merely one such author. Bringing new information to this site helps not only people understand and gain more knowledge themselves, but may spur other people to add their own comments and pages, another one of wikipedia's goals. I am merely trying to provide people who may not have known about this company information, in the same way all other pages due. This response should bring to light the true intentions of this page, so once again, Keep -80.120.190.34
 * Delete. Use of the word 'we' throughout reveals its inner vanity nature.Nandesuka 18:41, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Not to mention "Please call us for a sample lesson free of charge!" Anyway, delete, non-notable company.  Dcarrano 18:57, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - blatant advertising 82.44.213.192 19:52, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - advertising--Pold 00:19, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. NN, spam, mis-titled (s/b proper noun).  --A D Monroe III 00:45, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Firstly, notability cannot simply be measured by how many internet hits and links one can find for it. Some companies, through either economical reasons or geographical inability, cannot be montioned or monitored on the internet regardless of how notable they may truely be.
 * Secondly, the word non-notable is in itself a highly relative term and depends purely on the views and experiances of the individual in question who makes the assurtion. This is often the case with grocery stores(and in this case language accuistion programmes) in which the notabilty depends highly on the geographical location of whoever is claiming the firm to be notable/non-notable. Shopper's Warehouse is highly notable in America whereas in Germany, where the firm doesn't exist, anyone would calim the firm as non-notable.

 * Comment. You can't vote twice. Looking at your revisions, it's just as much an advertisement for a non-notable company as it was, now it's merely not as much in the first person anymore (we do this, we do that).  This is not a substantial enough revision for me to change my vote. —Cleared as filed. 19:45, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

 * Comment. Still feels advert. Same material you've got in German in your promotional page. The entry was done clearly to promote business. No serious references to double-check (URL, printed ISBN, besides reports in the general press press of its activities), to prove it has a place in the teaching history as it hints. Stating that an encyclopedia must contain everything at all is no argument. I keep my delete vote. --Pold 19:50, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete - advertizing, as per Pold. - Introvert   talk  00:28, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

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HMS Raider

Three ships of the Royal Navy have been called HMS Raider.

 * HMS Raider (1916) was an R-class destroyer launched in 1916
 * HMS Raider (H15) was a Q and R-class destroyer destroyer launched in 1942.
 * HMS Raider (P275) is a GRP Archer-class patrol vessel commissioned in 1998

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Tvrtko Kotromanić

Tvrtko of Bosnia may refer to:

 * Tvrtko I Kotromanić, medieval ruler of Bosnia (1353–1366 and again 1367–1391)
 * Tvrtko II Kotromanić, medieval ruler of Bosnia (1404–1409 and again 1421–1443)

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Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Media

Publicising peer review discussion
This article had press coverage; for this reason, I think this peer review about it requires attention. Thank you.

Dr. Vin Gupta/NBC & MSNBC Medical Analyst AfC
Dear Colleagues,

Hopeful you might be willing to provide an additional review of this AfC for a very prominent health policy analyst for NBC News. "Dr. Vin Gupta wikipedia" is a very common search and yet there is no page dedicated to him, something Im trying to rectify so viewers can be informed when he's on air.

Link here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Vin_Gupta

Thank you,

Caroline

Proposed split of Criticism of the Walt Disney Company page
Hello everyone! I would like your input on a discussion at Talk:Criticism of the Walt Disney Company about whether to split off content from five sub-sections about Walt Disney Animation Studios to the Criticism of Walt Disney Animation Studios, in order to ensure that the page complies with WP:SIZESPLIT. Consensus in this discussion is important to determine whether such a this split is warranted or not. Thanks and I hope to see your comments. Historyday01 (talk) 00:11, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

 * Eladio Carrión ft. Bad Bunny - Kemba Walker (Audio Oficial) 186.7.184.212 (talk) 01:05, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Bad Bunny ft. CHENCHO CORLEONE (Video Musical)
Bad Bunny 186.7.184.212 (talk) 01:03, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:The New York Times Crossword
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:The New York Times Crossword that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 16:49, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

RFC at RSN: The Telegraph on trans issues
Hello! There is an RFC at the reliable sources noticeboard regarding a subject relevant to this Wikiproject. BilledMammal (talk) 04:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:ABC News
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:ABC News that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Векочел (talk) 11:44, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Autism spectrum disorders in the media
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Autism spectrum disorders in the media that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Urro[ talk ] [ edits ] ⋮ 19:30, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Software vision mixer

The article Software vision mixer has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern: "I don't see a reason for this to have a separate article from Vision Mixer, although clearly the main vision mixer article is primarily about the hardware kind"

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Talk:Penultima

Example
Would be nice to have a sample game here. From just game rules it is not yet clear what kind of rules Spectators can think of and how Players can deduce them. Are any other websites which describe the game? Andreas Kaufmann 14:54, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

 * It's the (unintended) interaction between the pieces that makes the game interesting. I haven't played the for 5 years, so can't comment with up-to-date examples.  However, one (fairly complex) rule might be that the "Knight" is known as the "Waltzer".  It has two ways of moving - it either moves in the direction it is pointing (in which case the entire 3x3 square centred on the piece moves), or it can rotate 90 degrees (in which case the 3x3 square also rotates).  When moving forward it captures any pieces that are "squashed" by pieces in the 3x3 square (though not by empty portions of the 3x3 square).  Pieces that are pushed off the edge of the board are removed from play (unless contradicted by other rules). Bluap 09:11, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Invention
I believe I invented this game (at the PGR at Barbican Cottage). I think it was in a conversation with Adam Chalcraft. —Ashley Y 03:56, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

Etymology
I have removed the following etymology, as being irrelevant in an encyclopedia

The word penultima is derived from the Latin words paene (meaning "almost") and ultima (meaning "last"). The adjective penultimate is usually employed in reference to items that are next to the last in sequence, such as is the case with scansion of syllables in Latin poetry, where the second to the last syllable of a word often receives greater stress and duration than the other syllables do. Compare antepenultimate.

 * What a remarkably and strangely pointless removal. If poetic stress isn't an encyclopedic topic, then poetry itself must not be either; you should go nominate poetry for deletion at AfD. -Silence 19:57, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Reminds me...
I learned this game from Michael Greene when he was doing his PhD at Warwick. For my final year CS project I designed a programming language in which rules could be expressed. It was a little limited, but still quite fun. It didn't support "invoke" commands because I'd never heard of them until I read the article, and can only support pieces that work on the squares of the existing board without requiring additional counters, etc.

I'll see if I can dust it off and put a link up to it. It might help people who don't understand to get an idea of what the article's talking about. JulesH 08:01, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kui Yong Sin

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The result of the debate was delete. Joyous (talk) 18:20, July 25, 2005 (UTC)===Kui Yong Sin=== Promotional vanity page. Delete. Ken 14:54, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn vanity. --TheMidnighters 15:03, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Friday 20:14, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn realtor vanity. --Etacar11 00:58, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete non notable vanity. JamesBurns 08:47, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

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Partypoker

partypoker (formerly stylized PartyPoker) is an online poker card room. Launched in 2001 by PartyGaming, the site has had up to 80,000 players logged-in and was the largest online card room until 2006. In 2011 PartyGaming merged with bwin to form Bwin.Party Digital Entertainment. As of 2017, it remains among the largest online poker card rooms. The site was endorsed by Mike Sexton, the former host of the World Poker Tour television show. The domain partypoker.com attracted at least 3.6 million visitors annually by 2008 according to a Compete.com study. In 2016, after a protracted bidding process between 888 Holdings and GVC Holdings, Bwin.Party Digital Entertainment accepted GVC Holdings' bid for £1.1 billion. Today, the site is run by GVC Holdings and is available in 14 different languages. In addition to partypoker.com, partypoker also offers dedicated networks for French and Italian based players via partypoker.fr and partypoker.it, respectively. GVC Holdings also acquired PartyCasino during the 2011 merger of Party Gaming.

Cash games
The games include Texas Hold 'em (No Limit and Fixed), Omaha and Omaha Hi-Lo, 7 Card Stud and 7 Card Stud Hi-Lo. The stakes can range from .01/.02 to $100/$200. In 2012 partypoker removed its high-stakes cash games with the highest stakes at $10/$20.

Party Poker formerly offered a bad beat jackpot.

partypoker also offers FastForward cash game format. Every player is automatically re-seated to another random table immediately after they fold their hand or after the hand is over. This format is very popular by players and poker rooms. It is faster and offers a higher level of security as it is a lot more difficult for two or more players to participate in collusion.

Tournaments
The site offers a variety of tournaments, ranging from 10 to thousands of participants. Single-table and multi-table sit n' go tournaments are offered as well as scheduled tournaments.

partypoker hosts the partypoker Million. This tournament begins with online qualifiers, but the final stages are held at actual poker tables aboard a cruise ship. The winners of previous Party Poker Million events were Kathy Liebert, Howard Lederer, Erick Lindgren, and Michael Gracz.

History
partypoker was the largest online card room until 2006 when it left the US market due to the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006. PokerStars has since claimed the title.

In 2014, partypoker plans on returning to the US market for real money players, but on March 1, 2017, it still does not accept US players except for the state of New Jersey.

In 2015, partypoker partnered with Dusk Till Dawn and later hosted "The partypoker Grand Prix".

In 2017, the casino hosted the partypokerLIVE MILLIONS Dusk Till Dawn festival. The £5,300 main event generated a prize pool of £6,017,395. Maria Lampropulos won the main event earning £1,000,000. The £10,300 High Roller event was won by Vojtech Ruzicka, earning him US$363,135.

In February 2018, partypoker relaunched their Team Online, with Matthew Staples first to be signed. The new measures extend across all of the countries in which it operates with brands including Bwin, PartyPoker, Ladbrokes, Coral, FoxyBingo and BetMGG.

In December 2020, GVC holdings, who own PartyPoker, changed their name to Entain in a global rebrand. The new measures extend across all of the countries in which it operates with brands including bwin, PartyPoker, Ladbrokes, Coral, FoxyBingo and BetMGM and their affiliate programs.

In May 2021, PartyPoker and PartyCasino entered a new multi-year partnership with McLaren Racing.

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Naranjillo

Naranjillo ("little orange") is a common name for several South American plants with edible fruit:

 * Solanum quitoense, usually spelled Naranjilla
 * Zanthoxylum naranjillo
 * Platonia esculenta

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Alfold (disambiguation)

Alfold is the name of an English village in Surrey.
 * Alfold Crossways, nearby

Alföld is also the name of the Hungarian parts of the Pannonian Plain:
 * Great Alföld (also known as Alföld or the Great Hungarian Plain)
 * Little Alföld (also known as the Little Hungarian Plain)

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Category:Estonian art

 *  of Estonia.

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Simon Foucher

Simon Foucher (1 March 1644 – 27 April 1696) was a French polemic philosopher. His philosophical standpoint was one of Academic skepticism: he did not agree with dogmatism, but didn't resort to Pyrrhonism, either.

Life
He was born in Dijon, the son of a merchant, and appears to have taken holy orders at a very early age. For some years he held the position of honorary canon at Dijon, but he resigned in order to take up his residence in Paris. He graduated at the Sorbonne, having studied theology, and spent the remainder of his life in literary work in Paris, where he died.

Works

In his day Foucher enjoyed considerable reputation as a keen opponent of Malebranche and Leibniz. He revived the old arguments of the Academy, and advanced them with much ingenuity against Malebranche's doctrine. Otherwise his skepticism is subordinate to orthodox belief, the fundamental dogmas of the church seeming to him intuitively evident. His object was to reconcile his religious with his philosophical creed, and to remain a Christian without ceasing to be an academician.

In his 1673 publication, Dissertation on the Search for Truth, he brought to light people's psychological predilection for certainties. He wrote about the art of doubting—about positioning oneself between doubting and believing. He wrote, "One needs to exit doubt in order to produce science—but few people heed the importance of not exiting from it prematurely....It is a fact that one usually exits doubt without realizing it." He wrote further, "We are dogma-prone from our mother's wombs."

Principal works
Foucher had the annoying habit of re-using the same titles for his works, making it necessary to cite the whole subtitle in order to specify which work is being referred to.
 * 1673: Dissertations sur la recherche de la vérité, ou sur la logique des academiciens (Dissertations on the search for truth, or on the logic of the Academics) (Foucher did not publish this work but distributed it privately. It is now lost and known only from Foucher's own references to it in later writings.)
 * 1675:Critique de la Recherche de la vérité, où l'on examine en méme temps une partie des principes de Mr Descartes (Critique of the "Search for truth", in which some of the principles of Mr Descartes are examined at the same time) (A critique of Malebranche's work of that title; Foucher believed that because Malebranche chose the same title as Foucher, he was deliberately replying to Foucher's work. Note that only the first volume of Malebranche's book had appeared at this stage, which Foucher took to be the complete work.)
 * 1679: Nouvelle dissertation sur la recherche de la vérité, contenant la réponse à la Critique de la Critique de la Recherche de la Verité (New dissertation on the search for the truth, containing the response to the Critique of the Critique of the Search for truth) (Robert Desgabets had replied to Foucher's attack on Malebranche; this was Foucher's reply. Written in 1676, but published in 1679, as publishers were reluctant to take it on.)
 * 1687: Dissertation sur la recherche de la vérité, contenant l'apologie des academiciens, où l'on fait voir que leur maniere de philosopher est la plus utile pour la religion, et la plus conforme au bon sense, pour servir de réponse à la Critique de la Critique, etc.; avec plusiers remarques sur les erreurs des sens et sur l'origine de la philosophie de Monsieur Descartes (Dissertation on the search for truth, containing the defence of the Academics, in which is shown that their manner of philosophising is the most useful for religion and the closest to good sense, to serve as a response to the Critique of the Critique, etc.; with several remarks on the errors of the senses and on the origins of Mr Descartes' philosophy)
 * 1688: Lettre sur la morale de Confucius, philosophe de la Chine (Letter on the morals of Confucius, Chinese philosopher) (Foucher argues that, despite not being Christian, Chinese morality is admirable.)
 * 1693: Dissertations sur la recherche de la vérité, contenant l'histoire et les principes de la philosophie des académiciens. Avec plusieurs réflexions sur les sentimens de M. Descartes (Dissertations on the search for truth, containing the history and principles of the philosophy of the Academics; with several reflections on the views of Mr Descartes) (Intended as a summary of Foucher's views in his previous writings, with some new material.)

In addition to these works, Foucher published two long poems, and a few shorter philosophical pieces. He also conducted an important correspondence with Leibniz and wrote, but never published, a play.

title: Simon Foucher