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Styles
If you can get Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom to start with "Her Majesty", then you can put "His Excellency" at the start of every Australian governor and governor-general article. Until then, nothing doing. Drew (Snottygobble) | Talk 22:54, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Your style edits have been reverted per Manual_of_Style_%28biographies%29 Drew (Snottygobble) | Talk 23:08, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Tony Blair
I know some people disagree about what is appropriate, but the Manual of Style now says quite clearly: "Styles and honorifics which are derived from noble title, including .. The Right Honourable, .. shall not be included in the text inline but may be legitimately discussed in the article proper". Your changes to Tony Blair are not in line with the Manual of Style. My change is certainly not 'vandalism'. David | Talk 17:17, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Indeed it is standard UK official style to include 'Right Honourable', but Wikipedia is not the UK government. Wikipedia is not Debrett's Correct Form either. It's an encyclopaedia committed to Neutral point of view and that includes not endorsing honorific styles. If you want to argue that the Manual of Style is wrong, go to Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (biographies). But until that point, we operate using it. Please do not try to 'game' the Three revert rule as changes blatantly in violation of the Manual of Style, especially when it has been explained to you, would be counted as vandalism and therefore capable of being reverted on sight. David | Talk 17:30, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Hello, while it may be convention in the UK to use styles in official documents and government websites, in general media and international use these styles are not used. If you look at most reference works you will see that the Rt. Hon. and similar styles are not used preceding a person's name. Regards Arniep 19:38, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Elisabeth Murdoch
I don't really care what you do with peers etc, but I won't have you dictating to Australian citizens what they should call themselves. She calls herself "Dame Elisabeth Murdoch", not "Lady Murdoch", and that is therefore what the article should call her. Whether this is "correct" or not according to some set of rules no-one has ever heard of is quite irrelevant. Adam 01:13, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Constantine
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No user page?
Don't you enjoy the warmth and satisfaction that is a good user page? Just wondering. Harr o 5 04:50, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

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User talk:Markb77

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Baddeck River

The Baddeck River is a minor river on Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia, Canada. It empties into the Bras d'Or Lake several kilometres west of the village of Baddeck.

The Baddeck River flows south from the Cape Breton Highlands. It offers excellent trout fishing and bird watching. The Uisge Ban Falls are a popular feature of the river.

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Talk:Eleanor Rigby (person)

According to the song, nobody came to her funeral, so maybe she doesn't have any family. Nice Wikipedia article, but it would be nicer still with a picture of a tombstone, or an external article link (i.e. where did you get your information for this article) --Barista | a/k/a マイケル | T/C 15:34, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I reckon this type of info would be more useful in the Eleanor Rigby (song) article...bits of it are already there, in fact Sam Vimes 15:48, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

I am the author of this page, and I wouldn't mind it being merged with the discussion on the song, as long as the details of this person Eleanor Rigby, as well as most of the rest of the text, are kept intact. To whoever wrote the first comment, the hotlink at the bottom of the page leads to a photo of the tombstone.

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Slaves on Dope

Slaves on Dope is a Canadian nu metal band based in Montreal, Quebec.

History
The band was formed in 1993 by Jason Rockman, Kevin Jardine and Avrum Nadigel. The original line-up also included Patrick Francis, and Lenny Vartanian. In 1995, the bass guitarist Francis and the drummer Vartanian were replaced by Frank Salvaggio and Robert Urbani respectively, beginning a new, heavier metal direction for the band.

At that time, the Canadian music scene had yet to embrace nu/alternative metal music, so Salvaggio and Urbani decided to make a six-day trip by Greyhound bus from Montreal to Los Angeles to make contacts and secure showcases for the band. After a year, the band secured a record deal through Ozzy and Sharon Osbourne's Divine Recordings, which released their full-length album, Inches from the Mainline, in 2000.

The band also toured Ozzfest in 2000, and made an appearance on the SnoCore Tour. The album sold approximately 70,000 copies in the US.

After Divine Recordings lost their distribution deal with EMI's Priority Records, the band was left without a label and returned to Montreal. Salvaggio once again returned to Los Angeles with the goal of securing another record deal. With the help of producers Jason Slater and Troy Van Leeuwen, a contract was signed with Bieler Bros. Records. Their second major album, Metafour, was released in 2003.

In March 2004, Rockman, the vocalist, left the band, prompting Slaves on Dope to disband. Salvaggio and Urbani are now part of the band Anew Revolution, with the ex-Ünloco vocalist Joey Duenas. Jardine has become a producer in Montreal (Uplift Recording Studio), as well as forming his own band called The Monarchy (Disbanded).

In 2006, the band's independent release One Good Turn Deserves Another was re-issued through Just A Minute Records. In 2009, Rockman and Jardine reformed Slaves on Dope and the group subsequently recorded their fourth studio album. In an online webisode, the band announced the name of the album to be Over the Influence. It was announced on webisode 18 that the recording had finished with 17 tracks. Rockman then said in a video on the band's Facebook page that the album would be released in spring 2011.

In October 2011, it was announced that Slaves on Dope had signed to THC:Music/Rocket Science Ventures, the new label of the Corporate Punishment Records President, and early Slaves on Dope manager Thom Hazaert, who would release Over the Influence worldwide in spring 2012. They also announced the release of a digital-only EP, Careless Coma, in November 2011.

Slaves On Dope released their fifth studio album, Horse, on September 9, 2016. It features DMC, Bill Kelliher, HR from Bad Brains and Lee Baum from The Damn Truth and their new bass player Rob Laurion.

Musical style and influences
One of the band's main influences is the San Francisco group Faith No More, whom vocalist Jason Rockman labelled as "our heroes". He stated "They were always our benchmark. They were always the band that inspired us. They just did what they wanted to do and they didn't give a flying fuck what people thought. That's how we are." Regarding the band's association with the nu metal genre, Rockman reflected "You know, we've always been a band that has been hard to lump in with anything. A lot of people said, 'you guys were a nu-metal band.' Well, no we were not a nu-metal band. We were just Slaves on Dope and doing what we do. You know, when I was screaming and singing I did it because I heard Burton from Fear Factory doing it and I thought it was cool. But then suddenly it became screamo and emo and metalcore and all these other genres that came after the 2000s, and we just never fit in. And we still don't fit in."

Members

 * Jason Rockman – vocals (1994–2004, 2009–present)
 * Kevin Jardine – guitar (1994–2004, 2009–present)
 * Rob Laurion – bass (2016–present)
 * Peter Tzaferis – drums (2009–present)

Former

 * Patrick Francis – bass (1994–1995)
 * Lenny Vartanian – drums (1994–1995)
 * Frank Salvaggio – bass (1995–2004)
 * Rob Urbani – drums (1995–2004)
 * Sebastien Ducap – bass (2009–2016)

Discography

 * Studio albums
 *  One Good Turn Deserves Another (1997)
 * Inches from the Mainline (2000)
 * Metafour (2003)
 * Over the Influence (2012)
 * Horse (2016)

 * Demos/EPs
 * Sober (1994)
 * Klepto (1999)
 * Careless Coma (2011)
 * Covers, Vol. 1 (2013)
 * Covers, Vol. 2 (2019)

 * Other songs
 * "War Pigs", Black Sabbath cover, appears on Japanese release of Nativity in Black II: A Tribute to Black Sabbath (2000)
 * "Look What The Cat Dragged In", Poison cover, appears on Show Me Your Hits: A Tribute to Poison (2000)
 * "Go" (demo) (2002)
 * "Drain Me" (demo) (2002)
 * "All I Want for Christmas (Is My Two Front Teeth)" (2011)

 * Music Videos
 * "Yourself"
 * "I'll Never Feel"
 * "Light on Your Feet"
 * "Pushing Me (Live at Ozzfest 2000)"
 * "Go"
 * "No One to Blame"
 * "Careless Coma"
 * "All I Want for Christmas"
 * "Pork Sword"
 * "Unraveling"
 * "Cavalry"
 * "Script Writer"

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Recommended precaution

Recommended precaution (احتياط مستحب) is a fiqh term, prominently used by Shi'a marjas when giving fatwas. Ihtiyat is an action in such a way that includes certain knowledge to original Taklif. This term is considered from two views: the first is Usuli view and the other is juridical perspective (fiqh). In Usuli view, Ihtiyat is concerned with the principle of Ihtiyat while in juridical view, Ihtiyat dealt with Ijtihad, imitation and Qisas.

Definition
There are many definitions for recommended precaution (Ihtiyat) in fiqh books and essays. Ihtiyat is observed where the man of jurisprudence does not say anything about fatwa and on the other hand jurists choose the way of imitation freely. Sometimes Ihtiyat is to action of Mokallaf (one who must act religious tasks) in such a way that the one find definite knowledge of original task. Ihtiyat sometimes is along with the repetition of action and sometimes with is not along with. There is also a difference between Ihtiyat in fatwa and giving fatwa in recommended precaution. Ihtiyat literally means preservation and keeping. Caution concerned primarily with action but Tavaqqof with creating rules.

Types of ihtiyat
There are many divisions in Ihtiyat and its types. Ihtiyat divided in one hand into indispensable, mostahab and needed and in other hand in respect to action, not action and collection of action and not action.

Ihtiyat in the Quran
Three groups of verses refer to indispensability of ihtiyat.

 * The first group refers to those verses which point to forbidding talking about something without having knowledge."(O man), follow not that whereof thou hast no knowledge. Lo! the hearing and the sight and the heart - of each of these it will be asked."

"Then verily We shall question those unto whom (Our message) hath been sent, and verily We shall question the messengers"

 * The second group refers to those verses which point to forbidding the annihilation of human souls.

"Spend your wealth for the cause of Allah, and be not cast by your own hands to ruin; and do good. Lo! Allah loveth the beneficent."

 * The third group refers to those verses which point to order to taghwa (avoiding).

"Spend your wealth for the cause of Allah, and be not cast by your own hands to ruin; and do good. Lo! Allah loveth the beneficent."

"So keep your duty to Allah as best ye can, and listen, and obey, and spend; that is better for your souls. And whoso is saved from his own greed, such are the successful."

When Shi'a marjas give fatwas, they sometimes are not sure about the legality of some issues. In those cases, they recommend that the follower of the marja refrain from the act, in case it would indeed be haram. This is in contrast to the general term mustahabb, where people voluntarily do or refrain from doing actions that they know they are not obliged to.

As example:
 * ''It is a recommended precaution that even a child should not be made to sit in the toilet with its face or back facing Qibla. But if the child positions itself that way, it is not obligatory to divert it.

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Leo Makkonen

Leo Makkonen is a Finnish Orthodox prelate who serves as Archbishop of Helsinki and All Finland. He is the head of the Finnish Orthodox Church.

Background and career
He was born in Pielavesi in eastern Finland on June 4, 1948. After completing studies in 1972 at the Kuopio seminary, he was ordained deacon on 20 July 1973 and priest two days later.

He was consecrated Bishop of Joensuu on 25 February 1979, then served as Metropolitan of Oulu from 1980–1996. From 1996–2001 he served as Metropolitan of Helsinki, before taking up his post as Archbishop of Karelia; he was confirmed on 27 October 2001.

From 1979–1993 he served as chair of the Fellowship of Saints Sergius and Herman.

Private life
Archbishop Leo is a widower. He has one daughter, and two grandchildren.

On his 60th birthday, Leo consecrated an eukterion in his hometown of Pielavesi. Building one had been a long-time dream of his.

Honors

 * FIN Order of the Holy Lamb BAR.svg Order of the Holy Lamb (Finnish Orthodox Church, Grand Master, 2001)
 * FIN Order of the Lion of Finland 2Class BAR.svg Order of the Lion of Finland (Finland, 2006)
 * FIN Saint Henry Cross BAR.svg Saint Henry Cross (Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland, 2008)

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User talk:Guy...

Jacob Hornik (יעקב הורניק), born March 7, 1942 in Haifa, Israel, is a Professor in marketing and communications, Author of many books and researchers, consultant; currently he is the Vice President and head of the Management School at the w. Galil Acdemic College. Professor Hornik is the author of leading marketing books, and recently published a new edition of the book Marketing Management with Professor Philip Kotler of Kellog University.

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Prelude, Fugue and Riffs

Prelude, Fugue and Riffs is a "written-out" jazz-in-concert-hall composition composed by Leonard Bernstein for a jazz ensemble featuring solo clarinet.

The title points to the union of classical music and jazz: Prelude (first movement) and Fugue (second movement) – both baroque forms – are followed immediately without a pause by a series of "riffs" (third movement), which is a jazz term for a repeated and short melodic figure.

It features:
 * brass and rhythm in the first movement,
 * saxophones in the second movement, and
 * the entire ensemble plus solo clarinet in the third movement first with backing from the piano then by the entire ensemble.

Completed in 1949 for Woody Herman's big band as part of a series of commissioned works – that already included Stravinsky's Ebony Concerto – it was never performed by Herman, possibly because his orchestra had disbanded at that time.

Instead, it received its premiere on Bernstein's Omnibus television show, The World of Jazz on October 16, 1955. The soloist for the work's TV premiere was Al Gallodoro; he is seen in the preserved 1955 video playing alto saxophone and then the clarinet solo passages. Some sources instead credit Benny Goodman, to whom the work was dedicated upon its publication.

In 1952 Bernstein revised the score from its original instrumentation for a more conventional pit orchestra, and the work was then incorporated into a ballet sequence in the first draft of the musical comedy Wonderful Town. The revised version of Prelude, Fugue and Riffs did not survive and the majority of the music was cut from the final version of the Wonderful Town score with the exception of a few phrases in the musical's numbers "Conquering the City" and "Conversation Piece".

It later was transcribed for clarinet and orchestra by Lukas Foss.

Discography
Recordings by Leonard Bernstein
 * Benny Goodman. Benny Goodman Collector's Edition, CBS MK 42227
 * Peter Schmidl. Bernstein Conducts Bernstein, Deutsche Grammophon 447952-2 GLB, (1949), (p) 1992

Recording of big band version
 * Wolfgang Meyer. Homage to Benny Goodman, EMI Classics 7243 5 56652 2 5 (1998), (p) 1998

Recordings available on CD
 * Michael Collins. The Jazz Album, EMI CDC 7 47991 2
 * Harmen de Boer. Bernstein/Copland/Gershwin/Stravinsky, Chandos CHAN 9210 (1993), (p) 1993
 * Benny Goodman. Benny Goodman Collector's Edition, CBS MK 42227
 * Wolfgang Meyer. Homage to Benny Goodman, EMI Classics 7243 5 56652 2 5 (1998), (p) 1998
 * Peter Schmidl. Bernstein Conducts Bernstein, Deutsche Grammophon 447952-2 GLB, (1949), (p) 1992
 * Richard Stoltzman. Copland/Corigliano/Bernstein, RCA Victor Red Seal RD 87762 (1988), (p) 1988
 * John Bruce Yeh. Stravinsky/Bernstein/Gould/Babin/Shaw, Reference Recordings RR-55CD (1993), (p) 1993

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Talk:Outliner

Wikis ?
I see this phrase at the beginning of the article: "Mind Mappers and Wikis are related types of software." ... I agree with mind mappers, but not really with wikis... I do not know of a wiki that would offer outliner capabilities. Including this one for a start. wikis do not offer as a typical feature the ability to manage hierarchies neither to expand/collapse them nor to manipulate these trees. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pombredanne (talk • contribs) 09:56, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Macintosh outliners
I added two links under the Macintosh only site: Notebook (Circus Ponies) and Notetaker (Aquaminds). Feel free to edit the name, but these are certainly pieces of software that should be included in the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.252.102.194 (talk • contribs) 15:37, 16 July 2005

TVO/VMO comparison
TVO is described as a better vim-based outliner than Vim Outliner/VMO. I'm curious about the reason for this. I use VMO a little bit, but am not strongly biased either way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.217.47.241 (talk • contribs) 03:36, 22 July 2005

 * I am curious about TVO vs VMO as well. The TVO web page (http://bike-nomad.com/vim/vimoutliner.html) was last updated 13 October, 2004 where as the VMO web page has postings as recently as 21 December, 2005.  If nothing else, development on VMO seems more recent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.140.129.155 (talk • contribs) 23:50, 16 January 2006

 * TVO is a cross-platform solution that requires only Vim to work, while VMO requires a Perl-installation. TVO also has support for the UTL-script, making it easy to hyperlink between different outlines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.161.213.105 (talk • contribs) 19:59, 17 January 2006

Add a reference to Dave Winer?
Suggestion: Perhaps there should be a reference to Dave Winer as well as Doug Engelbart?? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.175.204.98 (talk • contribs) 11:58, 30 August 2006 (UTC2)

 * Agreed! Plus links to his papers on the history of outlining.  No? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ftwrks (talk • contribs) 16:45, 28 November 2006

Outliner Tools
Commercial interests here, which is almost OK. There's no claim of notoriety, just seems to be a fairly random selection that isn't authoritative, with the list getting long. See WP:NOT advertising. Widefox 11:03, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Ayup, the link spam is pretty overwhelming. We're not a web/software directory either... We probably should have articles about actually relevant and notable software. As things are now, it's a minefield for spam. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 22:36, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Could you add zavala ( https://github.com/vincode-io/Zavala and https://zavala.vincode.io/ )

2001:4C80:40:4B3:12E7:C6FF:FE21:80CF (talk) 12:08, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

clarify or omit
The commented-out section is either inaccurate or imprecise enough to be confusing. For example:
 * Microsoft Word *does* allow both 'extrinsic' and 'intrinsic' outlines to be exported to other formats (intrinsically as HTML with headers, for example, and extrinsically with stylesheets);
 * jEdit does support View/Edit/Search operations on outline elements (either natively or with plugins);
 * the node-relationship constraints mentioned in this article are supported by both Word and JEdit. dr.ef.tymac 20:47, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Still no outline mode in OpenOffice
Article suggest most word processors have outliner built-in. Alas OpenOffice's Writer is still missing this feature as of Jan 2007 its been Number 3 on the wish list for the last 4 years. 80.7.195.184 15:05, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

External link cleanup
I've removed a fairly staggering collection of commercial and promotional links that has gathered here over the last year. Please refer to WP:NOT and WP:EL before re-adding any links. If I've removed a link that improves the article and is not simply a vendor link, please start a discussion here. Kuru talk  05:22, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

 * You just rendered the article useless. --The NeveR SLeePiNG 12:23, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

 * I think you have over-interpreted the guidelines. Removing the links without testing the water strikes me as bring heavy-handed. The links to the specific outliners does not conflict with Wikipedia guidelines. While Wikipedia is not, according to guidelines, a directory, the Outliner topic is difficult to understand without examples. Many people have difficulty grasping the nature and possibilities of the topic, and seek examples. The guidelines list circumstances in which lists are advisable. There is nothing spammy about an objective, annotated list of outliners. Outliners have very interesting diversity of GUI's, features, and overall design. It is very interesting and gratifying to compare them. Many of them are free. The Open Directory Project does not have a list of outliners that I could find, and it has several drawbacks that make it troublesome to rely upon as a source for this kind of information (e.g., poor organization, politics, terse and vague annotations, and editors who may ignore public input and allow their topic to go out of date). The list of outliners was not staggaring, it was a useful list that contributed to the article. I found it very useful. The links should be restored. That list appears to have taken a lot of work to create. It even contains historical references that some will find useful. Robert A. Yourell, LMFT 19:08, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Update
I'm visiting almost a year later and no more comments. But thank you (whoever you are) for leaving in these links. They are important to explorers of this form of information organizing. It would be great if a die-hard outliner lover would add some history and some key concepts in using this kind of software. Robert A. Yourell —Preceding comment was added at 09:57, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

 * They're gone now anyway, and won't be coming back. See WP:NOT, WP:EL. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 14:19, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

 * What about one of those "Comparison Of" or "List of" pages a-la the List of personal information managers? MarkTAW 4:31AM March 20, 2009 (UTC)
 * For anyone else curious, Outliner&oldid=271217873 shows the linklist that was pruned.
 * I'm going to add a few images to get a least some links to the ones we have articles on, and I agree that a comparison list is a good idea. See the List of mind mapping software and Comparison of e-mail clients for inspiration. -- Quiddity (talk) 08:52, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Broken link(s)
This link, http://www.expandingbrain.com/wiki/doku.php seems broken (404, no redirection) --86.75.149.234 (talk) 07:22, 15 January 2011 (UTC) (|Hibou57)

Weasel Words
Don't you think "Generally Acknowledged" is a bit weasel wordy? How do I add the (bracket)weasel words?(bracket) thing to that? I'd like to see it marked. It seems like we should have sources, not pretend that it is supposedly "generally acknowledged". Just so you know, I agree with the comment, but not with the wording. Ryaxnb (talk) 18:33, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Google search result looks odd
When I searched for an item related to the topic of this article, I noticed the Google search result looks odd. Can someone fix this?

See: http://i.imgur.com/xH87OEy.png

--RahiDelvi (talk) 02:09, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Google is showing you a section of text from the Wikipedia page with the word "WorkFlowy". The section contains a number of "Yes" which surround "WorkFlowy". To rid the Google results of the "... Yes Yes Yes WorkFLowy Yes Yes ...", a number of approaches could be taken.
 * An article titled "WorkFlowy" could be made, then the Google result would likely show that article instead.
 * The "Yes" / "No" could be replaced with an aye or nay ✅ or ❌. I don't know how that would show on a google search, but it wouldn't likely contain "yes".
 * The word "WorkFlowy", if placed earlier in the article would probably show the text around that word instance rather than the one in the table.
 * If you do attempt to "fix" this, please take care not to disrupt the article with tests. I would suggest copying the pertinent part to your sandbox and test it there first. Jim1138 (talk) 10:31, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

OPML support in desktop applications
I would love to see the information on OPML support of desktop applications, like there is for the web-services. --eugrus (talk) 22:48, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Computer program, or also a feature in programs?...
The article says in the first sentence: "An Outliner is a computer program". If I understood correctly what is an Outliner, it's a common feature in many Text-editors (like Notepad++) and IDE's (like Webstorm), so it's not necessarily solely a computer program. What do you think? Should the sentence be changed to "An Outliner is a computer program or feature"? Ben-Yeudith (talk) 06:23, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * It's still a computer program, even if it's only one feature of that program. Rwessel (talk) 09:04, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I've never seen an "outliner" being an entire program - so, no - it's a feature of a program - or a function or library that implements that feature. It's not a "program". SteveBaker (talk) 15:56, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Try about half the apps listed in the article. And you're trying to draw a very fine, and largely illusionary, distinction between a program and a library/feature/function.  Rwessel (talk) 20:51, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I've tried many of them - in absolutely every case, there is functionality other than outlining. The outlining is *ALWAYS* just a part of what's going on.  But even if you were correct and we could find entire programs that do nothing whatever but outlining - the statement that "An outliner is a computer program" would be incorrect - I'm sure that even you will concede that outlining is done in programs as a tiny, almost incidental, part of a greater whole.  In those cases, the outliner functionality is a small part of a computer program - hence "An outliner is a computer program" is blatently untrue.  Take, for example Squirrel-mail - the program I use to handle my webmail.  It has an outliner allowing me to see collections of emails from a particular folder - which I can open up to reveal more folders inside.  So it DEFINITELY does outlining...but the program is an email client that just happens to include an outliner as maybe 1% of it's functionality.
 * So, sure, it's possible that there are programs that do nothing whatever other than outlining (I've yet to find one) - but without any shadow of a doubt, there are programs that are not entirely outliners that contain outliner functionality.
 * Ergo the statement "an outliner is a program" is not always true - and such a statement should not be included in a Wikipedia article because it is blatently obviously FALSE. Hence I'm reverting your reversion. SteveBaker (talk) 02:42, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Again, you're making the (invalid) assumption that "computer program" refers only (or even mainly) to a complete packaged application. Rwessel (talk) 07:24, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

 * To be more concise: A computer program is a non-empty set of instructions for a computer. An application is a type of computer program. A program is not limited to an application. 209.149.113.52 (talk) 14:24, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Columns in table of Outliners
IMO the list of Outliners would be much more useful, if it had columns for each important platform (W, M, L, Python, POSIX, Web, other ...), and a "license" type column (GPL, BSD, PayWare, AbandonWare, FreeWare ...). Of the two, I find the license column has the highest value/effort ratio. I am aware, that the platform columns would be quite some work to choose the initial set, and keep that accurate, and therefore may not be desirable. The additional columns would be very helpful to separate the wheat from the old, unsupported/abandoned mono-platform commercial/non-free chaff. 88.207.143.25 (talk) 17:32, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Define 'Hoist'
The way 'hoist' is used in the article seems assume some definition other than physically lifting something up (per Wiktionary). Can we get an expert in this topic to add an example of what is meant in this case by 'hoist'?

Thanks, WesT (talk) 19:52, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

 * says: "Hoisting an item hides all parent and sibling items; thereby focusing, or zooming in, on a particular branch. De-hoisting again reveals the full outline." Is this not clear enough? Biogeographist (talk)

 * Yes, that's the problem. It's not clear when the word 'hoist' is being used to refer to hiding items rather than elevating them. I like GermanJoe's suggestion as it explains (using the words 'lift' and 'drop' back into place) first, then gives the term. Much clearer. I'll make the edit and see how it fits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Westley Turner (talk • contribs) 18:57, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

 * Here is a Google Books link (page 18) with the same definition, just phrased slightly different (lifting a section entirely out of context to focus on it exclusively). GermanJoe (talk) 14:26, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

 * Perfect! Thanks, . That's what I needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Westley Turner (talk • contribs) 18:57, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Outliner museum?
Why have a list of desktop outliners if quite a fraction of the entries concerns outdated products no longer available? Shouldn't we make a distinction between items of only technical or historical relevance and actual products currently available? Anyway, there seems to be only a small group of people still using desktop outliners today; most of them seem to be members of the outlinersoftware.com forum; so maybe we should ask these people which products are relevant? And do you really think that emacs org-mode is the right species representative to be presented in the top right display? A console application? Is this meant as a joke? 62.202.191.230 (talk) 22:52, 6 November 2018 (UTC) R.K.

 * The list covers only "notable" applications (in Wikipedia's sense of the term, see link). But an additional "status" column with sourced information about the applications' current status could be useful indeed. The "Notes" field might also be useable, but would probably be less clear. GermanJoe (talk) 01:18, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Non-notable addition removed
I have removed a list entry for the CrossLine outliner, a small 8-month old GitHub project without any independent sources to establish its notability. Without such sources such applications don't belong in an encyclopedia - Wikipedia is no venue to promote personal projects and minor applications. Please discuss here if needed. GermanJoe (talk) 01:13, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

 * Means: you don't know it so it cannot be notable; at least change the title to "presumably non notable" ;-) 62.202.191.230 (talk) 01:32, 7 November 2018 (UTC) R.K.

 * No. It means: what I (or you or any other editor for that matter) "know" is irrelevant. Wikipedia is based on independent published sources to verify its information, although a lot of articles are obviously still lacking in that regard. Our personal knowledge, opinion or most self-published information don't matter. But I'll admit that the term "notable" is often confusing for new editors - we had literally half a dozen discussions or more about this term, but never came up with anything better. So it's "notable" (with or without scare quotes) for now in Wiki-internal jargon. GermanJoe (talk) 01:48, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

 * Well, let's dream on; no wonder that so many authors give up - or like me - don't even consider to get a login. 62.202.191.230 (talk) 02:03, 7 November 2018 (UTC) R.K.
 * Create an article on that outliner. See wp:article for creation. Make sure it meets wp:notability. I'm available to help. Cheers Jim1138 talk 05:06, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Outliner history
In my edit summary for (which reverted a sudden addition of a massive collection of external links), I noted that the knowledge and effort that was used to amass all of those external links could be used instead to create a 'History' section that describes outliner history in prose, based on reliable secondary sources, per WP:V. I would be very interested to read such a history, and I imagine that I'm not alone in such interest. Biogeographist (talk) 16:30, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Roam
Roam should be added as a web-based outliner. Ben Finn (talk) 20:07, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

 * Yes. I think Roam is notable. And Logseq could also be notable enough now. One of the recent comparisons of Roam/Logseq, Logseq vs Roam Research --sabre23t (talk) 06:46, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

PC Outline
Is the some reason the venerable PC Outline isn't listed here? TobyJ (talk) 11:40, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

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Baek Sang-seung

Baek Sang Seung (December 12, 1935 – September 23, 2018) was a South Korean politician who served as the mayor of Gyeongju. He was elected to the post in 2002. He was a member of the Grand National Party. He studied public administration at the undergraduate level at Korea University, and attended graduate school in the same field at Seoul National University. Prior to attaining his present position, he held various positions in the Seoul municipal government.

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Edits concerning NSD
Brucevdk. I am not sure what you had intended to say with the sentence "NSD was developed." on the NSD article you updated recently. Please update/clarify. Thanks -- enyc Enyc 22:36, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure what you mean. These were the changes I made, I never modified the content of the article I just converted external links into references and added a disambiguation link to the Nassi-Shneiderman diagram article. The changes you're talking about were made by an anonymous user (User:80.126.124.36) after my own, see this change log. --Bruce 13:25, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

animated GIF image
Hello,

I noticed you removed the animated GIF image from Franklin D. Roosevelt which someone else recently added from Wikipedia Commons, and was wondering why?  JGHowes talk  -  04:45, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

 * I removed it because of 2 reasons: 1) I'm not very fond of animated GIF images and 2) it wasn't near anything relevant. I looked it up and the image was added by User:Alex:Dan on February 16, 2007 (see user contributions, see article diff) along with many other animated GIFs to other articles.

 * I have to admit that my reasons for removing the image are quite subjective/personal, if you strongly feel like the image should be put back into the article you're obviously free to do so. I'm not aware of any policy/guideline recommending against using animated GIFs representing fragments of movies. If you do add it back, I request that you verify the reason as mentioned on the image description page. Notice that the original caption was "Roosevelt signing war declaration against Japan in 1941".

 * I'm wondering though, why did you feel the need to contact me about this issue? --Bruce 08:12, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Thanks, Bruce, for the info. I have no strong feelings one way or the other about that particular gif, I was just wondfering if there's some Wikipedia policy or guideline about animated gifs I'm not aware of, and figured you'd know. I refrain from reverting an established editor without discussing it first, hence my post on your Talk page. Cheers,  JGHowes talk  -  03:38, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Excellent, glad to be of service. --Bruce 11:27, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

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Message regarding your edit to Namir Noor-Eldeen
I left you a message regarding your edit (diff ) at the talk page of the article Namir Noor-Eldeen. Thanks Acebulf (talk) 20:45, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

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List of SNCF stations

SNCF stations by region
The following link to SNCF stations, grouped by region (SNCF managed RER stations with no other SNCF service are not included on the Île-de-France page – see List of stations of the Paris RER for a full listing of RER stations):
 * List of SNCF stations in Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes
 * List of SNCF stations in Bourgogne-Franche-Comté
 * List of SNCF stations in Brittany
 * List of SNCF stations in Centre-Val de Loire
 * List of SNCF stations in Grand Est
 * List of SNCF stations in Hauts-de-France
 * List of SNCF stations in Île-de-France
 * List of SNCF stations in Normandy
 * List of SNCF stations in Nouvelle-Aquitaine
 * List of SNCF stations in Occitanie
 * List of SNCF stations in Pays de la Loire
 * List of SNCF stations in Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur

Former SNCF stations
The following link to articles on SNCF stations no longer in service
 * Bordeaux État
 * Rouen Rive-Gauche
 * Rouen Nord
 * Rouen Orléans
 * Honfleur
 * Paris Orsay (now the Musée d'Orsay)

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Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Italian Renaissance/archive1

Italian Renaissance
Originally a spin off from the Renaissance COTW, I have recently expanded and rewritten the origins and development sections. I have done little with the culture sections, which are outside my area of expertise, but they have been worked on by people who know the material. Antandrus especially deserves praise for his recent overhaul of the music section. This went through peer review last month and the concerns raised there have been addressed, except for the call for more external links, as after some hunting I couldn't find much worth linking to. - SimonP 15:38, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
 * Support 172 | Talk 15:51, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Support. Phil s 16:19, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Object. This thorough and interesting article does not use footnotes. A bibliography alone is not sufficiant -- claims need to be referenced individually. Also, there remain some stylistic issues, such as some choppy phrasing, and a lack of commas where appropriate.

 * In short, three things need to happen in order for this article to attain featured status: (1) An editor with a keen eye needs to go thoroughly over the article, focusing on style and grammar (I did this for two sections); (2) The article needs footnotes -- for instance, when it is claimed that a city imported wool from Spain, there need to be a reference. Featured articles must be completely varifiable. (3) Finally, other editors with a good working knowledge of the Italian Renaissance need to evaluate the content, rather than simply be content with the fact that the article is thorough, seemingly comprehensive and well-organized.
 * I have worked on the style a fair bit, but not below the "development" section. This is an excellent article suffering from some stylistic problems, and while they aren't too difficult to fix, they're keeping it from it from attaining featured status. As soon as the style of the latter half of the article is addressed (I did the first half), I'll withdraw my objection. --Zantastik talk  11:29, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * This article has great potential, and if these issues are addressed, I will enthusiastically support it. --Zantastik talk  15:00, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I respect your objections, but I seriously take issue at your assumption that my vote was based on apparent comprehensiveness and good structure. I always take time to review the articles before I vote. Phil s 17:01, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Object, for now, per Zantastik, numbers 2 and 3. While there are a few stylistic and grammatical issues, they are minor and I think the article is well-written as a whole.  The lack of footnotes and sparse references, however, is much more troubling.  Featured articles must be thoroughly verifiable; we shouldn't lower this standard simply because the article is long and well-written. -  Jersyko   talk  16:00, July 17, 2005 (UTC)   I withdraw my objection. -  Jersyko   talk  00:38, July 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comments. I personally do not feel that footnotes are needed for this article. It is a very general overview, and all of the facts here can be verified in any of the general texts listed in the references and specific theories are already given in text references. I also think it is wrong to assume that previous voters are basing their comments simply on style. 172, for instance, is one of the few professional historians who contribute to Wikipedia. - SimonP 16:06, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * I've added a few footnotes, there is not much I can do about #3, however. - SimonP 17:07, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * As SimonP has stated, footnotes are not a requirement for FA in very general survey overviews such as this one. Some of my own FAs have included many footnotes when necessary, such as George F. Kennan. But just last week I was working on History of Poland (1945-1989), which was featured without any footnotes. 172 | Talk 17:15, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually the criteria make no such distinction. They say in part "and enhanced by the appropriate use of inline citations". That doesn't require footnotes specifically, but does need some kind of inline cites. That articles make it through without does not mean they shouldn't have them. So maybe this isn't a controversial subject and doesn't need 233 citations, but appropriate is not 0, 2 or 3 either. I suggest prioritizing by the top 10 or so most important or most central facts to this article, and cite those to the best source available. What's obvious and common knowledge to you is not to me. - Taxman Talk 18:48, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * Object, surely should mention the Crusades and the impact of contact with Islamic culture. -- Jmabel | Talk 17:35, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * I've added a couple sentences on the subject. - SimonP 18:22, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't usually weigh in on FAC, so I'm not totally sure if what I'm about to say works, but… once others' specific objections are answered, count my vote toward the quorum for support. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:31, July 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment While I maintain my three objections, I'd like to apologize to Phils and 172, for assuming that the fact that they did not comment extensively meant that they did not take their votes seriously. I was wrong, and I'd like to encourage both of them to keep up the good work here --Zantastik talk  18:16, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Object. The image Image:StPetersDome.jpg appears to be a copyvio.  It's tagged as PD, but the image was copied from, and the copyright information on that site states "The Web Gallery of Art is copyrighted as a database. Images and documents downloaded from this database can only be used for educational and personal purposes. Distribution of the images in any form is prohibited without the authorization of their legal owner." --Carnildo 21:03, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Your are quite correct. I have replaced it with Image:Petersdom von Engelsburg gesehen.jpg, and the original should be listed on PUI. - SimonP 23:21, July 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. I continue to address some stylistic and grammatical issues present in this otherwise excellent article. The grammatical errors (primarily, missing commas) and the stylistic issues are not grave, but they all need to be addressed before the article achieves featured status. The addition of footnotes is very much welcomed; even though what 172 has said is correct, adding a few more wouldn't hurt -- raising standards isn't a bad thing, though I won't raise objections if this is not done. I invite others to look over this article for minor grammatical and stylistic issues -- having several editors going over this article with an eye for these issues is a good way to catch what I've missed myself. Note that many of my edits here have been from an anonymous IP. At any rate, I'll keep plugging away at this. --Zantastik talk  23:48, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Support Object, but I anticipate supporting. 1) I will object over the lack of enough citations for a few reasons. They are important, and the type of subject does not make them less important. Even moreso, there are lots of statements in the article that are not at all obvious to a generally educated person, nor even assuredly correct. I'll just pick out an example that I saw right away. "The Medieval Warm Period was ending and the Little Ice Age saw agricultural output decline significantly leading to repeated famines...". Several points: the sentence seems to imply causality from the LIA to declining ag output. Is that well established? Isn't the LIA considered to be in full swing later than the period referred to anyway? There are more like that, and I can produce a list if you like, but the article's editors can see them as well as I can, I'd think. 2) The focus of the article seems in contrast to the facts of the time. Isn't it fairly well established that the Renaissance really only effected the small proportion of wealthy and educated people? The lead with "a period of great cultural change and achievement from the fourteenth to the sixteenth century." seems to imply the whole of society was radically changed. It may have been, but this is where my lack of knowledge comes in. That first sentence is then in contrast with the last few sentences of the lead, but there doesn't seem to be a bridge reconciling them. Further, the end of the lead mentions that most of society was little effected, but then the entire article focuses on that small portion of society that was. Maybe this is the standard way of thinking about the Renaissance, but it hardly seems comprehensive. I'm open to being proved wrong, but I think the article needs at least a decent section explaining what effects if any were felt by the majority of the population, or evidence for the fact that they were not effected. - Taxman Talk 19:22, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * I've added a bunch of extra references, and cleared up the wording of the LIA section. The Renaissance did only affect a very small minority of the population. For the peasantry and the urban poor life was pretty much unchanged from the Middle Ages. It is thus proper, and standard, to focus on the elite. You are correct that this focus should be explained, and that there should be some mention of the rest of the people. I have thus added a ==wider population== section. - SimonP 15:02, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
 * Very nice fixes, thank you. That new section seems to be enough to me. The only problem I see left is that the lead is still left contradictroy, where the first paragraph says there was wide change, making it sound like everyone was affected, while the third paragraphs disagrees with that. They need to be made consistent. Oh, and I left a note commenting that the LIA wording still seems to imply a causal relationship, but doesn't clearly establish or refute that. That needs to be fixed. - Taxman Talk 17:38, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
 * I've made some alterations to the intro. The change was great, but I made clear that great does not here mean wide. As to the second issue the general consensus is that the change in climate was a central cause of the famines and plague of the fourteenth century. The exact quote from De Lamar is that "these calamities were triggered by a remarkable climatic change that lowered the average temperature several degrees." I've made the causal link clearer in the text of the article. - SimonP 15:42, July 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * Ok, looks great. Since the rest of it does too, I'm quite convinced the article is feature worthy. - Taxman Talk 19:41, July 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * Support -- Cyberjunkie | Talk 11:50, 24 July 2005 (UTC)


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Flash-bang

Flash-bang may refer to:

 * Stun grenade, a less-lethal explosive device used to temporarily disorient an enemy's senses
 * Artillery sound ranging, a method of determining the coordinates of a hostile battery using data derived from the sound of its guns (or mortar or rockets) firing

title: Flash-bang


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Rkhunter

rkhunter (Rootkit Hunter) is a Unix-based tool that scans for rootkits, backdoors and possible local exploits. It does this by comparing SHA-1 hashes of important files with known good ones in online databases, searching for default directories (of rootkits), wrong permissions, hidden files, suspicious strings in kernel modules, and special tests for Linux and FreeBSD. rkhunter is notable due to its inclusion in popular operating systems (Fedora, Debian, etc.)

The tool has been written in Bourne shell, to allow for portability. It can run on almost all UNIX-derived systems.

Development
In 2003, developer Michael Boelen released the version of Rootkit Hunter. After several years of development, early 2006, he agreed to hand over development to a development team. Since that time eight people have been working to set up the project properly and work towards the much-needed maintenance release. The project has since been moved to SourceForge.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tom G. Palmer

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was can't see a clear consensus, defaulting to keep. Sasquatch′↔T↔C 04:38, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

Tom G. Palmer

 * ''Note: will Sockpuppets from both sides please desist, you will be ignored and if anything damage your case Dunc|☺ 18:33, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

This article was clearly written by Tom G. Palmer himself, as is evident by visiting his website, TomGPalmer.com. While I applaud Mr. Palmer on his various achievements, including that he, "smuggled books, photocopiers, and fax machines from an office in Vienna, Austria and traveled throughout the region to hold seminars", I find him lacking notability for the encyclopedia. Further, his page violates the Vanity page guideline. Alterego 15:39, July 16, 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete, vanity cv, self promotion. Wyss 16:19, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Seems notable, though needs cleaning up certainly. Dunc|☺ 17:32, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep & cleanup. There is sufficient verifiable material available.. Palmer is notable, among other things, as being an openly gay fellow at the Cato Institute. He is also a noted critic of Lew Rockwell, another libertarian (and employer of Kinsella - see below). A blog devoted to attacking him is another sign of notability. (I see that an entry has been posted in that blog pointing to this page). - Willmcw 18:31, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
 * A "Stephan Kinsella" is listed as "Adjunct Faculty" of the Ludwig von Mises Institute, of which Lew Rockwell is the founder and president. Perhaps it's an unpaid position, there's no indication. -Willmcw 20:17, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
 * Refactor or delete Sufficiently notable for some sort of page, but better nothing than something so shamelessly self-promotional --Dfranke 17:48, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Not a sockpuppet, my identity can be easily verified by looking at my blog (http://the-free-radicals.org). I don't know what Duncharris's agenda is, but I would seriously question any of his other sockpuppet accusations as well.
 * inelligble to vote, too few edits. Dunc|☺ 20:28, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * There is no policy stipulating any threshold of edit counts. --Dfranke
 * Delete. The quality of the article is so low that it looks unsalvageable. If this person is important someone will create sane article later. Pavel Vozenilek 22:13, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, seems to be notable on the basis of his publication record. Definitely more worthy of inclusion than individual Pokemons or the GNAA. Martg76 22:35, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, non-notable writer/activist. Anyone who devotes their lives to writing will inevitably rack up a large number of verifiable writing credits; that doesn't make them notable in an encyclopedic sense, unless their writing succeeds in making a major impact on the world at large.  Dcarrano 23:19, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
 * 'Keep' Palmer is notable and info was easily verified. Awyllie 20:10, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * — this isn't a sockpuppet at all e.g. he's got an article that he wrote, and improved, currently on VfD in an unrelated field. Be more careful Dunc, and there is no edit count criterion for voting, so one should not be enforced here. -Splash 01:19, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, notability appears to have been established. -Splash 01:19, 17 July 2005 (UTC) Owing to related matters, I feel I must withdraw my vote from here altogether. -Splash 19:36, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * splash: do you not see that the entry is blatantly self-promotional and vanity type? Just take a look at it.
 * I agree that it smells of autobiography, and I don't like those, but they are not a grounds for deletion. I'm presuming the facts given in the article are verifiable and true (but tell me if they're not) and things like addressing the Iraqi parliament, being senior in the Cato institute and having things published in books and proper magazines would seem to lend credence to a notability claim: he's probably more notable than your average college professor, so probably passes the (informal) professor test. -Splash 02:06, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete self promotion not helped by sockpuppets. JamesBurns 03:12, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable. Google returns 13500 hits for the query "Tom G. Palmer" cato . If it does not make him notable, I dunno what should be the test to decide on this. --Edcolins 07:55, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Reasonably notable. Could use some editing. - Nat Krause 05:23, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete this and all of the autobiographical, self-important, blogging libertarians, liberals, socialists, and nationalists. These resumes are getting out of hand. -Willmcw 09:09, July 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Smells like a sad internet-argument that overflowed onto wikipedia. I would be willing to change my vote if this article was formatted and cleaned up to an acceptable level, only stressing the notable facts.
 * Delete, WP:VAIN, WP:NOT, WP:SOCK. Radiant_ >|< 14:28, July 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Agree with Dunc re notability and need for cleanup.  If there are other libertarians who are more notable, someone should write the appropriate articles.  We have no requirement that we start at the top in notability and work our way down. JamesMLane 18:36, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. Appears in Marquis Who's Who. Entry should probably be trimmed, however. Gamaliel 01:28, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - senior fellow for the Kato Institute? C'mon people! Why is this on vfd? - Ta bu shi da yu 03:52, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Same reason mine is, probably... You can guess... Stephan Kinsella 04:04, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, what reason is that? -Willmcw 04:16, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
 * Two words: Wiki. Nerds. Hah. Just kidding, Willmcw. Just funnin' ya. :) --Stephan Kinsella 12:33, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * As long as you include yourself in that category then you might be right. -Willmcw 17:13, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Vanity, Sockpuppets per Radiant. Xoloz 01:54, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - notable libertarian author and major figure at Cato Institute. Rangerdude 06:43, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment - in addendum to my vote above, I will note that a closer review of this article leads me to conclude that it should be trimmed and undergo general NPOV edits to reduce some of the vanity characteristics. Rangerdude 20:07, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Vanity - He obviously wrote it himself. Time to draw a line in the sand. Rothbard 19:30, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, a marginal character but one at least likely to have been read by people who do not limit their reading to texts they expect to agree with. Judge Magney 03:24, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Discounted votes

 * ''Suspected sockpuppets (including new users) and/or are disqualified from voting. Dunc|☺ 19:45, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete Agree with above, clearly a vanity page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Evomutant (talk • contribs) 10:05, July 16, 2005
 * sockppupet Dunc|☺ 18:33, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Do Not Delete, presents useful information and links to significant articles by a significant figure in libertarian movement — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laidbacklibertarian (talk • contribs) 10:34, July 16, 2005
 * Sockpuppet Dunc|☺ 18:27, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep Palmer's been involved with libertarianism since the movements real beginnings in the 70s. Edit maybe, but keep the bulk of the article. --Merkanleveller 17:55, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Sockpuppet - discount vote, Dunc|☺ 18:23, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, Palmer is of minor importance in the libertarian movement, but his ego is enormous, as witness this obviously self-written panegyric. User: jriggenbach
 * Not by User:Jriggenbach (there is no user registered by that name), but by Dunc|☺ 18:26, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I do not know about any of this, but Jeff Riggenbach is a well known libertarian who knows what he is talking about; it is very likely he did write the comment duncharris deleted. It should be restored. It could be Riggenbach made a technical mistake or does not konw what a sock puppet is (as I do not quite my own self).
 * I am Jeff Riggenbach, and I did in fact write the comment duncharris deleted. I'm a bit unfamiliar with protocol around here, and wasn't aware I was supposed to "register" anywhere -- where?  If anyone wishes to confirm my opinion on this issue, I can be reached at jriggenbach@bigfoot.com
 * I'll add that I've known Tom Palmer since he was a college kid in the '70s, and an intern at the Cato Institute, then located in San Francisco. I was executive editor of The Libertarian Review at the time, and executive producer of Byline, Cato's daily public affairs radio program.  I think Tom has done well over the years, but he's hardly so important that he merits an encyclopedia article devoted to his greatness.  - Jeff Riggenbach
 * Delete, vanity cv, Palmer is not a major libertarian figure. Gil Guillory 14:27, 17 July 2005 (CST)
 * This user account is not a sock puppet. My screen name is my real name, Gil Guillory. I have not been especially active on Wikipedia, except for usage and a single edit I made in the market failure page last April, after having written an article on the topic. However, I did not create the account specifically to enter this foray, nor is it a puppet account of another. I think it is self-evident to most libertarians that Palmer is not even a minor intellectual in the libertarian movement. An important activist, yes; but, I don't think that qualifies for a Wikipedia entry. Gil Guillory 07:36, 18 July 2005 (CST)
 * - you need to Log in and sign your name with four tildes ~
 * Got it, thanks.Gilguillory 13:00, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete The entry is clearly self-promotion. Furthermore, Palmer isn't a particularly significant libertarian thinker. Prior to noticing his slanders of Hans Hermann Hoppe, I'd never heard of him at all. There are libertarians of more importance who have no Wikipedia entries at all, or much shorter ones.
 * Keep, could be trimmed, but Tom Palmer is a notable figure in the libertarian movement. To people voting 'delete', have you seen who is profiled on wikipedia? User:Jstrummer 21 July 2005
 * Second edit.
 * Keep, notable leader in the libertarian movement. article, like many, needs editing. Poshua 17:36, 24 July 2005 (UTC)  active since the 11th
 * Second edit.
 * Keep, notable leader in the libertarian movement. article, like many, needs editing. Poshua 17:36, 24 July 2005 (UTC)  active since the 11th

Comments

 * NOTE: See vendetta campaign launched by "Stephan Kinsella" page deleted some time ago at this location, located on a site maintained by Kinsella for sole purpose of stalking Palmer (including obscene sexual comments, etc.)' — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laidbacklibertarian (talk • contribs) 10:34, July 16, 2005

 * Stephan Kinsella does not maintain the Palmer Periscope webpage. He posts there, but did not create and does not maintain the website. He has used that web-page as a place to counter some of the outrageous libel against Hans-Hermann Hoppe that comes from Palmer's webpage.

 * Furthermore, aforementioned "obscene sexual comments" were just comment spam which Palmer falsely portrayed as being written by Kinsella. --Dfranke

 * Come on this is a campaign by Kinsella to get rid of a Wiki entry! Has the man got nothing better to do?

I find Palmer to be a figure of not enough significance to be mentioned in an encylopedia. He is not a key figure in libertarian thought. There are libertarians of much more significance than Mr. Palmer who do not have a Wikipedia entry, or who have a shorter entry than Palmer's.

 * Stephan Kinsella here: Please note: I did NOT start this campaign to delete Palmer's site. Nskinsella 18:47, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Anyone who attacks him should be careful. Admins take a very dim view of personal attacks. - Ta bu shi da yu 03:52, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Kinsella drew attention to this article on his anti-Palmer blog, and then promoted this VfD on it when another editor nominated it. Whether Kinsella made the nomination itself is a minor point - he has lobbied heavily for this VfD. -Willmcw 04:59, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, Willmcw, that was before I realized what the rules on notability were. I initially assumed that, since my first entry had been previously deleted, then Palmer's entry was deletable too, since he is arguably not significanly more notable than I. But when I read up on the actual Wiki rules for notability, I realized that my entry qualifies, so I put up my entry. And I have removed my comments on Palmer's site about deleting it; that is for others to decide. Nom. --Stephan Kinsella 17:28, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * For the record, my attention was also drawn here by Stephan Kinsella, as were many others. I find the practice of such lobbying distasteful, but have concluded that deletion is merited, not in the least because the conflict ongoing among these parties cast a cloud over these articles. Xoloz 01:59, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Lobbying? Are you kidding? I don't maintain Palmer's site should be deleted, Xoloz! Now that I'm aware of the bio criteria. Were I you, I'd vote to keep it (perhaps, w/ some improvement, toning down of the self-promotion etc.). Why are you blaming me for your delete vote? Change it to keep if you want, I'm not stopping you. Stephan Kinsella 03:41, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I did not "blame" you. I stated, for the record, the facts which led me here. The "lobbying" to which I refer most strongly related to your own article, but (because your message was such an obvious attempt at advocacy), I think it not unreasonable to draw the inference that you were, more sublty, lobbying against Palmer as well.  My vote is, of course, my own judgment, by which I stand.  I think it fair to say, though, that you have exerted some influence over this VfD.  While such efforts are not prohibited or uncommon at Wikipedia, many users consider such conduct less than ethically pure, and, in any case, the question had arisen above.  If you, in fact, do favor the "keeping" of this article, then your attempt to draw my attention here has yielded a (very minor) result unwelcome for you, a consequence which you may (or may not) wish to note for future decision-making. Xoloz 04:08, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * It's rich for you to bemoan my "influence" over this VfD when you are yourself voting here. And just because I would have had you vote "keep" here (if only because I favor adherence to the Wiki bio policies, which you and other deleters evidently feel free to disregard), it does not mean I do not also favor a democratic system where you have the right to vote as you will. There is no inconsistency. Any more than it is inconsistent for a democrat politician to ask people to vote--even if they vote against him. If anyone influenced this VfD, it is those who tried to delete this very site, which made me review the bio policy, which led me to put up my own entry again. Stephan Kinsella 04:31, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * As you continue acquainting yourself with Wikipedia policy, note that Wikipedia is not a democracy, so your point there is rather inexact. Further, I fail to understand your first point, since my voting here is a (minor) result of your influence, and that was among the reasons I chose to comment to keep the record clear. And lastly, I do not believe any "deleter" here "disregards" Bio policy -- I feel that the disfavoring of autobiographical articles creates a presumptive disqualification which has not been overcome by evidence, nor helped by this air of advocacy which, I hope you see, you helped foster.  I suggest further discussion between us, if you care to respond, move to my talk page. Xoloz 05:27, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete as per Radiant. The JPS 15:12, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Specification and Description Language

Specification and Description Language (SDL) is a specification language targeted at the unambiguous specification and description of the behaviour of reactive and distributed systems.

Overview
The ITU-T has defined SDL in Recommendations Z.100 to Z.106. SDL originally focused on telecommunication systems; its current areas of application include process control and real-time applications in general. Due to its nature it can be used to represent simulation systems without ambiguity and with a graphical notation.

The Specification and Description Language provides both a graphical Graphic Representation (SDL/GR) as well as a textual Phrase Representation (SDL/PR), which are both equivalent representations of the same underlying semantics. Models are usually shown in the graphical SDL/GR form, and SDL/PR is mainly used for exchanging models between tools. A system is specified as a set of interconnected abstract machines which are extensions of finite-state machines (FSM).

The language is formally complete, so it can be used for code generation for either simulation or final targets.

The Specification and Description Language covers five main aspects: structure, communication, behavior, data, and inheritance. The behavior of components is explained by partitioning the system into a series of hierarchies. Communication between the components takes place through gates connected by channels. The channels are of delayed channel type, so communication is usually asynchronous, but when the delay is set to zero (that is, no delay) the communication becomes synchronous.

The first version of the language was released in 1976 using graphical syntax (SDL-76). This was revised in 1980 with some rudimentary semantics (SDL-80). The semantics were refined in 1984 (SDL-84), the textual form was introduced for machine processing and data was introduced. In 1988, SDL-88 was released with a formal basis for the language: an abstract grammar as well as a concrete grammar and a full formal definition. The version released in 1992 (SDL-92) introduced object-oriented concepts such as inheritance, abstract generic types etc., with the object-oriented features described by transformations into non-object oriented ones. SDL-2010 is the latest version, an updated version of SDL-2000 that was completely based on object-orientation, rather than description by transformations. This version is accompanied by a UML-Profile: ITU-T Recommendation Z.109 (04/12), SDL-2010 combined with UML. SDL-2010 also introduced the support of C data types as initially introduced by SDL-RT.

Hierarchy level
The hierarchy level of SDL is structured as follows.
 * Library package
 * System agent
 * Block agent
 * Process agent
 * Procedure type
 * Remote procedure

Architecture
An SDL system is made of functional blocks and each block can be further decomposed in sub-blocks. The lowest level block is composed of one process or several processes described as finite-state machines.

Communication
Blocks are connected through channels that carry the messages (or signals) exchanged between the blocks. A block agent consists of process agents.

Behavior
Each process agent is a state machine that contributes to the action carried out by the system. A message stimulus coming from the environment or from another agent to an agent is called a signal. Signals received by a process agent are first placed in a queue (the input port). When the state machine is waiting in a state, if the first signal in the input port is enabled for that state it starts a transition leading to another state. Transitions can output signals to other agents or to the environment. A process agent is allowed to contain procedure types so that the same actions can be invoked from different places. It is also allowed to call a remote procedure type to invoke a procedure in another agent (or even another system) and wait for a response.

In this example MyVariable is of type INTEGER and is the only variable in the process. The first transition is the start transition that initializes the local variable. A connection request message conReq is sent, a 5 seconds timer conReqTimer is started, and the state machine goes to the connecting state. In the connecting state if the timer goes off -that is equivalent to a message receive- the connection request is sent again up to 10 times. If a connection confirmation is received the state machine goes to connected state. This is a typical telecommunication protocol scenario.

Available symbols are:

Data
SDL Abstract Data Types (ADT) support basic data types such as INTEGER, REAL, CHARSTRING as well as structured ones such as structures (STRUCT), enumerated (LITERALS), constants (SYNONYMS). Syntax looks like the one from Pascal, for example an assignment is written ':='.

Variants

 * SDL-RT is based on the ITU Specification and Description Language replacing the data language with C. Latest version of SDL standard (SDL'2010) now includes the support of C data types and syntax making SDL-RT basic principle part of the official standard.
 * TNSDL is a variant developed by Nokia for their internal use.

Related technologies

 * MSC Message Sequence Chart. Another ITU-T related notation to describe the dynamic behavior of a system.
 * ASN.1 Abstract Syntax Notation One. An ISO standard to describe data types that can be used within SDL.
 * TTCN-3 Testing and Test Control Notation version 3. A testing language standardized by ITU-T and written by ETSI.
 * Unified Modeling Language A generic modeling notation. A profile has been standardized based on SDL.

title: Specification and Description Language


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Music for the Amorphous Body Study Center

Music for the Amorphous Body Study Center is an EP by Stereolab, created in collaboration with New York sculptor Charles Long. The songs became part of Long's exhibit, complementing each of his sculptures. The album was initially available only at the exhibit in a pressing of 1500; another limited pressing was later released in stores but it is now out of print. All tracks were included in the compilation album Aluminum Tunes: Switched On, Vol. 3.

Track listing
The untitled track is an instrumental reprise of "The Extension Trip". On the Aluminum Tunes compilation, tracks 6 and 7 are combined into one track.


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Wikipedia:Peer review/Dana Gioia/archive1

Dana Gioia
Profile of the chairman of the National Endowment for the Arts. It's been here for nearly a year and nobody has touched the substance. I'd really like opinions about its chances as a FAC. PedanticallySpeaking 15:40, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
 * This reads like a newspaper article, not an encyclopedia entry. There are certainly other issues to tackle, but this is by far the most striking one. --Zantastik talk  15:10, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I think the article is presently lacking sufficient content to make it a featured article, the writing style is also too familiar, here's an example from the lead:
 * he has been chairman of the National Endowment for the Arts, the United States government's arts agency, and has worked to revitalize an organization that had become gun-shy after the bitter controversies that surrounded it in the late 1980s and early 1990s.

What controversies? Someone outside the American arts community has no idea what this means. It is short of biographical information, is he married, does he have children, what did he do between 1983 and 1992 etc. The dispute with Donald Hall seems to have been quite significant in the relevant circles and should probably be described in more detail. Since he is actually an artist himself I would also expect to see more in depth discussion of his work like the biographies of other featured writers. --nixie 07:20, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * The disputes over the NEA funding people such as Andres Serrano, Karen Finley, and Robert Mapplethorpe were national news and the subject of many hearings in Congress. To describe them here is inappropriate--the material belongs better on the NEA article.  As for the time you cited, I quote the article:  "After college, he joined General Foods Corporation and served as vice-president of marketing from 1977 to 1992, when he quit to write full-time."  I did not talk in detail about his writing as I know little about poetry.  Notices were placed last year asking if someone could help in this regard but there were no takers.  As for his family, I have heard of him speak of a wife and his son, who died young.  But I don't have specifics.  I'll see what I can find out in this regard.PedanticallySpeaking 15:29, July 21, 2005 (UTC)


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Edward Miall

Edward Miall (8 May 1809 – 30 April 1881) was an English journalist, apostle of disestablishment, founder of the Liberation Society, and Liberal Party politician.

Life
Miall was born at Portsmouth. He was Congregational minister at Ware, Hertfordshire (1831) and Leicester (1834), and in, 1841 founded The Nonconformist, a weekly newspaper in which he advocated the cause of disestablishment. Miall saw that if the programme of Nonconformity was to be carried through it must have more effective representation in Parliament. One of the first fruits of his work was the entrance of John Bright into parliamentary life; and by 1852 forty Dissenters were members of the House of Commons. This was due largely to the efforts of the British Anti-State-Church Association, which Miall was instrumental in founding in 1844; it was renamed in 1853 the Society for the Liberation of Religion from State Patronage and Control, known for short as the Liberation Society.

It was never able to secure a Parliamentary majority for disestablishment of the Church of England but the long fight for the abolition of compulsory church-rates was finally successful in 1868, and then in 1870 Miall was prominent in the discussions aroused by the Education Bill. He was at this time Member of Parliament for Bradford (1860–1874), having previously sat for Rochdale from 1852 to 1857. In 1874 he retired from public life, and received from his admirers a present of ten thousand guineas. He died at Sevenoaks.

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