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Talk:Mortar

The difference of a mortar from any other gun
Hi, MacGyverMagic Your edit (or should we say reductionism} "Mortar (weapon), a modern military weapon which fires shells at high speed": how does that differ from an ordinary gun, or a howitzer, or a cannon? They all fire shells at high speed. The trouble is a mortar fires shells at much lower speeds, and it pitches them at an arc trajectory rather than fires them more directly at the target. If you are going to give a meaning then it should be a correct one. Dieter Simon 00:04, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Mortarboard?
Has any one ever called a mortarboard a mortar before?

Target impact not correct
Regarding the weapon, the page contained the phrase "their shells explode on impact with target." I deleted this phrase, because: a) this is a dab page, and each item should have just enough detail to find the correct link, not try to summarise the actual article. As impact fuzing is not a defining characteristic of mortars, the phrase was superfluous; and b) it is not correct, as mortar shells (bombs) have several fuzing options available apart from impact (and indeed, a few types of mortar bombs are not even explosive.) -- 203.20.101.203 (talk) 02:57, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: not moved -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:55, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

– There are a couple of articles with a claim to mortar as a logical article name, but I think the most well-built claim belongs to mortar (masonry) as WP:PRIMARY. This material has been fundamental to architecture for the past five thousand years or so and is still widely used today, so I don't see any holes in its case. I really don't see how the others stack up. I recognize that those other topics are important things, and definitely not just filler, so I don't think this is a no-brainer at all. Nevertheless I think that mortar should house an article on the masonry substance used to build things. (Did I just lay a foundation for this move with a series of really bad puns? Well, I'd better brick that habit soon!) Red Slash 02:40, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Mortar → Mortar (disambiguation)
 * Mortar (masonry) → Mortar
 * (Other editors are kindly requested to use a pun in their response if they are able, whether they support or oppose--hopefully we can make this stick and we won't have a combo bricker. Face-smile.svg) Red Slash 02:43, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

 * Oppose the first thing I think of is the weapon, and many people think the building product is cement or grout instead of mortar. Ofcourse, cooking you could be using the mortar as well, which is the grinding bowl implement. -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 03:06, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose the issue is WP:PRIMARY WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, and I would argue that no usage of "Mortar" is primary. Leave Mortar as a disambiguation page. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 03:13, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose Sticking my pestle in, WP:PRIMARY is not at all relevant; I believe WP:PTOPIC is what was intended. That out of the way, while Mortar (masonry) is the doubtless the most commonly used, and arguably the most important, among the subjects, the Mortar (weapon) article apparently gets about twice the traffic. The pounding vessel is the primary sense etymologically, and Mortar and pestle shows slightly more traffic as well. It is clearly not the case that the architectural mortar is “more likely [sought] than all the other topics combined”.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 04:34, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose I would have said "..and pestle", but whichever, there is no WP:Primarytopic. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:51, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose I worked in construction but have to agree with the other comments that say mortar doesn't have a strong enough primary definition. Sionk (talk) 11:04, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose: no one usage seems primary. Pam  D  13:09, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I fail to see a case being made for the proposal.  Since there is no clear primary topic, leave the dab page at the main name space. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:20, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose. No clear primacy here. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:32, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I work on fixing incoming links to this page on a regular basis, and the most common sense for which links are made is the military sense. bd2412  T 12:00, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
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Incorrect revision to Ancient Mortar
The revision made by Aurangzebwardag on 19 Dec 2013 is incorrect because the first use of bricks is not attributed to Roman Ghirishman, and because this article is about the first use of mortar, not the first use of bricks. The reference cited by Aurangzebwardag discussed the first use of bricks and does not discuss the first use of mortar. If Aurangzebwardag does not revert back to the original text, I will do it.Tvbanfield (talk) 18:10, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Human rights in the United States

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. Sjakkalle (Check!)  09:49, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Human rights in the United States
Reason why the page should be deleted: Because Wikipedia is not a soapbox for America bashing and the page contains mostly essays of original research. (unsigned comment by Bertly).
 * Keep. That page is a valid article. Wikipedia does not pander to the POV of one person. Gwk 00:09, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and cleanup. While there are good reasons for such an article, there are significant POV problems with the article. Capitalistroadster 00:13, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, of course. Interesting that the nominator should single out this one out of the 14 members of Category:Human rights by country. - Mustafaa 00:14, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep seems like a bad faith vfd to me. America-bashing? Or do you don't like the fact that the US isn't as perfect as it makes out to be, for some reason? -- Natalinasmpf 00:17, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep, a valid article on a valid topic. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. -- Joolz 00:22, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, if this nomination is made in good faith it's evidence of ignorance of the function of VFD and of the policies of Wikipedia. Expedite removal of the unsightly template, please. Bishonen | talk 00:43, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep Encyclopedic. --Lee Hunter 00:45, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, it's absolutely ridiculous to claim that an encyclopedia should not have an article on Human rights in the United States!! Resolve your NPOV issues as they should be resolved, which is not here.  Dcarrano 01:01, July 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep and ban nominator for this disruptive attempt at censorship. We don't need to keep this listed for days on end. Why on earth would anyone want to delete this article, except to try and bring Wikipedia into line with their political stance? — Trilobite (Talk) 01:02, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong keep — possibly also consider action against nominator for abusing the vfd process. Pakaran 01:19, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep -- I think perhaps Bertly doesn't like the facts that might eventually land in this obviously encyclopedic article. BrandonYusufToropov 01:52, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep -- The article needs a lot of cleanup but is a proper subject that should be addressed Reboot 04:09, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep. Invalid nomination.  WP:POINT. Kaibabsquirrel 03:50, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep, trivially encyclopedic and valid subject, nomination probably invalid, incoherent with the idea that it "badly needs work" (you really destroy what needs work ?), WP:POV and WP:POINT. Rama 09:26, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, clearly an encyclopedic topic, if there is a concern over the article's POV, the solution is editing, not deletion. —Stormie 11:20, July 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep — A fundamental precept of the U.S. constitution. RJH 14:53, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * STRONG DELETE Just more america bashing liberal crap that has no place o this venerable website - 152.163.101.12 14:55, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Note: This address is an AOL proxy. While the address has made quite a few contributions, it is impossible to determine how many the user has made, or to determine if this vote is valid.  Pakaran 20:52, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep Could do with a bit of a tidy though. Terwilliger 15:00, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * keep please this nomination seems invalid to me too so speedy keep it Yuckfoo 18:07, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Calm down. Last time I checked it was not policy to yell at or ban newcomers the moment they complain about an article. As for the article, I think the intro is a bit jingoist myself. Gazpacho 02:21, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep At least the new user managed to state a ground (OR), so I'll assume good-faith. Of course, an obviously enclycopedic topic, and the ground is quite wrongly applied. Xoloz 03:27, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
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Llanquihue Lake

Llanquihue Lake is the second-largest lake in Chile with an area of about 860 sqkm, after Lake General Carrera which is shared with Argentina. It is situated in the southern Los Lagos Region in the Llanquihue and Osorno provinces. The lake's fan-like form was created by successive piedmont glaciers during the Quaternary glaciations. The last glacial period is called Llanquihue glaciation in Chile after the terminal moraine systems around the lake.

Some historians consider Llanquihue Lake to have been within the range of ancient Chono nomadism.

Llanquihue Lake is located in southern Chile a territory of northern Patagonia in the Los Lagos Region. The lake's views of Volcán Osorno make the surrounding cities such as Puerto Varas tourism hotspots.

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Talk:Grubby

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This page is most likely either a vanity piece or a near-vanity piece. Either way it doesn't belong on Wikipedia, except possibly in a 'notable warcraft players' article among a number of others.
 * Actually, it seems perfectly feasible for the Electronic sports players category to me. --Charron 20:26, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Why such an extensive article on only 1 warcraft 3 player, when no other articles exist on any other players? I would suggest creating an article which mentions several notable players and link it to the game warcraft 3 or electronic sports in general.

 * Grubby is probably the top professional Warcraft player in the world, which is of interest to gamers as a whole, not just Warcraft players. He should have a page for the same reason that Lim Yo-Hwan (SlayerS `Boxer'), Fatal1ty, and vo0 have pages. The comment about his "biting remarks", however, is both unnecessary and untrue. If anything he's known for his professional composure and as an emissary for the emerging world of E-Sports. In that same vein, his "lag" quote is unecessary and unprofessional, and not in line with the way he conducts himself publicly. The article could be cleaned up a bit but certainly belongs on Wikipedia. --Cesare

Why?
"Why an article on him and not the others? Because he's without a doubt the most successful and accomplished WC3 player in the world." Grubby is without a doubt the best European Warcraft 3 player, but if he has an article, Jang Jae Ho (Moon) also deserves one, because he is the best asian player and is more likely to be the best player of the world than Grubby. http://www.wcreplays.com/articles.php?get=347

 * I wouldn't have a problem with a page for Spirit_Moon, although 4k.Grubby is considered to be the best player in the world by most people.

Yoda921 00:58, 10 February 2007 (UTC)Yoda

Oh, come on
Professional WarCraft player? I know it exists, but this ONE guy hardly deserves a page on wikipedia, especially when others dont get a page. If you're considering this like a sport (He's the best around!) then you need to list other players of the sport, even those that aren't that good. This, in my opinion, should certainly go through another vote for deletion.

PeteShanosky 15:14, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

 * As stated above by Cesare, other players have articles. This article exists for the same reason there are articles for Tiger Woods and Pete Sampras for instance. These are professional sportsmen. --Djith 09:23, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Merge Other Warcraft Player Articles?
There are atleast 2 other articles on Warcraft 3 players: They are linked as "Madfrog" and "Spirit_Moon".

The fact that others don't exist is no reason for this one not to exist. More work clearly needs to be done in the area. However, I agree at this point that due to the limited number of player articles, it would be best for the articles to be merged to form a page titled something like "Top Warcraft 3 Players".

Battle.net profiles
I changed "Flying Dutchman" to "MSChenkhuizen", because thats his recent ladder-account

get started why not?!
I dont know on which planet the authors or editors of this page/section live but Pro Gamersin wc3 are reality. GRubby, Moon, ToD, Sky They "deserve" a own wikipedia page as ur fellow americans current basball, basketballl, football players , wrestler have such! If not IMO it would be discrimination. I mean come on chris Benoit has a page (huge!) i can tell u for sure that if u look at the "world" population ( and the english wikipedia is du to its language not only bound to us and UK) more people know about grubby then about Chris Benoit! would be nice to see progamer coming up! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.162.203.127 (talk) 21:41, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

the problem with this is that everyone who wants it is a loser.

 * You're saying more people know about an internet game player (Who I'd actually be as bold to guarantee 99 out of 100 people don't know, or care to know), then a former world champion, and more importantly and notably, a man who murdered his family, got headline news, and started round 2 of the steroid wars? Yeah, I don't buy it. More importantly though, in all sports ALL players are listed, not just the important ones. Can you imagine the madness there'd be if Wikipedia had an article on every WC3 player? I strongly think this needs to be deleted, especially since the word "professional" indicates you get paid for the "sport" you play, which I'm under the impression this man does not. TheJudge310 (talk) 15:01, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

 * These players are seriously good at WC3. They deserve their own page because professional gaming should be respected. Whoever posted that "everyone who wants it is a loser" is an idiot.

-- user:RichardT

 * (replying to TheJudge310) Your impression is wrong. This man does get paid, as do many others. There are 47 tournaments listed in his wikipedia which were played all around the world, and those were just the ones considered notable enough to add, Warcraft III is a internet game but not 'just a internet game'. It is very much a sport. Can you imagine the madness if everyone who has ever touched a football gets added to wikipedia? Neither can I because it has not happened and will not happen.

Zerter (talk) 09:14, 28 February 2008 (UTC) I had never hear the name Chris Benoit before, and I certainly never saw any headline news about his acts. Wrestling is not a sport engaged in where I live. LAN gaming is far more common. I had heard of Grubby. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.184.163.18 (talk) 07:48, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Need some references to prizewins
obviously the line

2004 1st World Cyber Games (prize: $25 000 000) (USA)

is wrong.. but what is the real figure anyone find out? --Liamstone (talk) 22:21, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

25 000 000 south korean won —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.82.139.21 (talk) 11:12, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

add photo request
http://picasaweb.google.com/sokolX/CologneWCG2008#5268472604847819314

Licensed under GPL —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.32.120.237 (talk) 20:01, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

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Category:Lakes of Chile

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Z2 (computer)

The Z2 was an electromechanical (mechanical and relay-based) digital computer that was completed by Konrad Zuse in 1940. It was an improvement on the Z1 Zuse built in his parents' home, which used the same mechanical memory. In the Z2, he replaced the arithmetic and control logic with 600 electrical relay circuits, weighing over 600 pounds.

The Z2 could read 64 words from punch cards. Photographs and plans for the Z2 were destroyed by the Allied bombing during World War II. In contrast to the Z1, the Z2 used 16-bit fixed-point arithmetic instead of 22-bit floating point.

Zuse presented the Z2 in 1940 to members of the DVL  (today DLR) and member Alfred Teichmann, whose support helped fund the successor model Z3.

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Power Without Glory

Power Without Glory is a 1950 historical novel written by Australian author Frank Hardy, following the life and ambitions of John West, a politician born into a working-class family who rises to prominence in Australian federal politics.

Following the novel's publication, Ellen Wren, the wife of bookmaker and businessman John Wren sued Hardy for libel, claiming that the characters of John West and his wife Nellie were modelled on the Wrens, and that Nellie's affair in the novel was libellous to Ellen Wren. Ultimately Hardy was cleared and publication allowed.

Publication
The work was originally self-published, with illustrations by Hardy's friend "Amb" Dyson, with the subtitle "a novel in three parts by Frank J. Hardy, Ross Franklyn". "Ross Franklyn" was the pseudonym Hardy had always used prior to Power Without Glory. This combination of real name and pen name was also used in Hardy's 1961 book The Hard Way which describes the difficulties "Ross Franklyn" had in having the book published, and the problems Frank Hardy faced in answering the criminal libel charge against him arising from the publication.

Hardy was a member of the Communist Party of Australia, which features in the novel as the enemy of the protagonist. After the novel's publication, Hardy would run unsuccessfully for office as a member of the Communist Party.

Hardy wrote in his later work, The Hard Way, that he felt dissatisfied with the final chapters of the novel. In his desire to complete the long work at a manageable length for publication, and with the threats regarding the novel's publication, Hardy felt the final chapters were hurried.

The publication of Power Without Glory and its success has been credited as being linked to the creation of the Australasian Book Society, which Hardy was key to founding.

Novel
Power Without Glory follows the life of John West, who is born into an impoverished family in the fictitious Melbourne suburb of Carringbush, which is based on the actual suburbs of Abbotsford and Collingwood. When the novel opens, in 1893, West is twenty-four years old and already involved in criminal activities including gambling and bookmaking. The novel follows West's life as he rises to be a highly ambitious businessman and corrupt politician, as a powerbroker for the Australian Labor Party.

The novel is partly set during World War I, and the debate about conscription is a major issue in the novel. John West is a fierce patriot who supports conscription, and his sometimes fiery arguments with the Irish-Catholic Archbishop of Melbourne, who opposes conscription on the grounds that to send men to aid England was contrary to his, and Ireland's, historical enmity with that country.

West's family dramas are many: his brother Arthur spends time in jail for aiding and abetting a crime of rape, West's wife Nellie has an affair with a tradesman and falls pregnant with his child, and his daughter becomes a member of the Communist Party of Australia in the years after the War.

West's relationship with Communism is a hateful one, and he heavily finances the efforts of the (real life) anti-communist, Roman Catholic B. A. Santamaria. This crusade damages both his family fortunes and his marriage, and continues until West's death as an old man in 1950.

Characters
The novel can be considered a Roman à clef, or a novel in which many of the characters correlate with real-life figures of the time, including Victorian Premier Sir Thomas Bent and Prime Minister James Scullin.

The following list attempts to align Power Without Glory characters with real historical persons who may have been inspirational to the author. Recognisable features do not necessarily imply any attempt at an exact correlation. Hardy himself conceded or even affirmed some such correlations, but says in The Hard Way that many such lists were being created and passed around by parties without his involvement, perhaps even without his knowledge.

 * ASHTON, Frank – Frank Anstey, Labor politician and social propagandist
 * BACON, Snowy – Reginald Leslie (Snowy) Baker, fight promoter, sportsman, actor, soldier, and journalist ('versatile')
 * BENNETT (The Gentleman Thief) – Hon. W.J. Beckett, M.L.C. for Melbourne North, Melbourne East & Melbourne
 * BLACKWELL, Maurice – Maurice Blackburn, State Labor MP for Essendon, Fitzroy & Clifton Hill. Federal Labor M.P. for Bourke
 * BLAIRE – (Sir) Thomas Blamey, army general and Victorian Police Commissioner 1925–1936
 * BOND, Thomas – (Sir) Thomas Bent, 32nd Premier of Victoria 1904–1909
 * BRADLEY, Richard – Richard Buckley, notorious gunman and murderer
 * BRADY, William – Bill Barry, Victorian Labor M.P. for Carlton, minister in various Cain Governments
 * CALLINAN, Police Commissioner – Thomas O'Callaghan, Police Commissioner 1902–1913
 * Cameron – Campbell, cycling promoter exhibition
 * CARR, John – John Cain, leader of Victorian Labor Party, Premier on three occasions
 * CONN (Archbishop) – Thomas Carr, Catholic archbishop of Melbourne preceding Daniel Mannix
 * CREGAN, J. – Jack Cremean, Federal M.P. for Hoddle
 * CUTTING, Slasher – John "Snowy" Cutmore, gunman and thief
 * DARBY, Lou – Les Darcy
 * DAVISON, Alfie – (Sir) Albert Dunstan, conservative Victorian Premier 1935 -1943
 * DAVLIN, Dr – Sir Hugh Devine
 * DWYER, Godfrey – (Sir) Gilbert Dyett, long-time President of the R.S.L.
 * GARSIDE, David – David Gaunson, prominent criminal barrister
 * GIBBON, Sir S. – (Sir) Samuel Gillott, Chief Secretary in the Bent Cabinet
 * HORAN, Ned – Ned Hogan, twice Labor Premier of Victoria
 * JOGGINS, Rev – Reverend G. Judkins,prominent anti-vice crusader, preacher
 * JOLLY, Bob – Bob Solly, Labor M.P. for Carlton in Victorian Parliament for many years
 * KELLEHER, Paddy – Pat J. Kennelly, M.L.C. for Melbourne West; Federal Secretary, A.L.P.
 * KIELY, Michael – Standish Michael Keon, Victorian Member for Richmond, later Federal M.P. for Yarra
 * LAMB, Richard – Dick Lean, manager of Melbourne Stadium
 * LAMBERT, Percy – Percy Laidler, theatrical supplier of 201 Bourke St., prominent socialist
 * LAMMENCE, Frank – Frank Laurence
 * LANE – Jack Lang, NSW Labor leader and Premier
 * LASSITER Family – Loughnan family
 * LEVY Ben – Ben Nathan, founder of Maples Store
 * McCORKELL – William McCormack, Labor Premier of Queensland
 * MALONE, Daniel – (Dr.) Daniel Mannix, Catholic archbishop of Melbourne
 * MANSON, "Plugger" Pete – "Plugger" Bill Martin, cyclist
 * MORTON, Fim – Jim Morley, Communist organiser, journalist of Morning Post
 * MURKETT, Kenneth – (Sir) Keith Murdoch, journalist & newspaper proprietor
 * O'FLAHERTY, Dave – Detective O'Donnell, Chief of Gaming Squad
 * PARELLI – Pellegrini
 * PARKER, Clive – Clyde Palmer, journalist on The Truth newspaper
 * PIGGY – Piggy Ryan alias Williamson, gunman and standover man
 * REAL, T.J. – T. J. Ryan, Premier of Queensland
 * REDMOND, Ron – Ron Richards, Aboriginal boxer
 * RENFREY, Sugar – Robert "Sugar" Roberts, Mayor of Collingwood
 * ROBINSON, Barney – Barney Reynolds
 * SANDOW – Ad Santel, champion wrestler
 * SCATT, Bob – another name for Bob Solly
 * SOLOMON, Sol – Sol. Green, big bookmaker
 * SQUEERS, Bill – Bill Squires, boxer
 * SUMMER, James – James H. Scullin, Labor M.P., Prime Minister 1929–32
 * SWINTON – (Sir) George Swinburne, engineer, politician and philanthropist
 * TANNER, Snoopy – Squizzy Taylor, gunman and thief
 * THURGOOD – "Red Ted" Theodore, Labor Premier of Queensland 1919–1925, federal Treasurer, mining and business magnate
 * TINN, Ted – Ted Thye, bogus champion wrestler
 * TRUMBLEWOOD, Thomas – Tom Tunnecliffe, Labor M.P. for Collingwood, Speaker 1937–40
 * WATTY, Jim – Jack Welsh, Secretary, Milk Distribution Association
 * WEST family – Wren family
 * WILLIAMS, Detective – Detective Harry Herbert Wilson
 * WODMAN, Paddy – Paddy Boardman

Locations

 * APSOM – Epsom Racecourse, Mordialloc
 * BAGVILLE STREET – Sackville Street, Collingwood
 * CARRINGBUSH – Collingwood
 * CHIRRABOO – Chillagoe, Queensland
 * JACKSON STREET – Johnston Street, Fitzroy and Collingwood
 * RALSTONE – Richmond (though note there has been a Ralston St in South Yarra – across the river from Richmond – since 1857 )
 * RICHTON – Richmond Racecourse
 * ROYAL OAK HOTEL – Royal Mail Hotel
 * SILVER STREET – Gold Street, Collingwood

Court case
Hardy was tried for criminal libel in 1951 on the basis of the depiction in the novel of West's wife having an affair but he was acquitted by jury, after putting a number of arguments and cross-examining witnesses. It was the last prosecution for criminal (as opposed to civil) libel in Victoria.

The case attracted enormous publicity, coinciding as it did with the anti-Communist referendum and served mainly to give the novel and any negative portrayal of Wren greater prominence. Hardy readily conceded that he had published the work, and so the defense was built on the remaining two points, of whether the informant Ellen Wren was in fact identical with the character Nellie West, and if so, whether in fact the publication was defamatory.

Witnesses had testified that they recognized Ellen in the character of Nellie, and that she had been defamed. Hardy's successful defense, as described in The Hard Way, argued that while the character of John West had character traits of John Wren, he was also an amalgam of ideas, with many events in the story not correlating to Wren's life. Hardy argued that if John Wren was not solely based on John West, then the character's wife could not solely be based on Ellen Wren. Hardy was acquitted of all charges, and the novel was published to a wider audience than its initial publication.

Historians have debated whether Ellen Wren did actually have an affair and conceive an illegitimate son, as in the novel. In The Hard Way, Hardy denied ever having spoken to any member of the Wren family during his extensive research for the book, claiming the affair was entirely fictional. However, in 2005, Monash University academic Jenny Hocking claimed to have discovered archival material supporting the argument that Ellen Wren did indeed have an affair with a tradesperson, and that Hardy may have had knowledge of the affair.

TV series adaptation
In 1976, the novel was made into a 26-episode ABC-TV series starring Martin Vaughan as West. While Nellie's affair with the brickie is depicted, the affair does not produce a child. The series won numerous Logie, Penguin and Sammy Awards.

Cast

 * Martin Vaughan as John West
 * Wendy Hughes as Mary West
 * Terence Donovan as Frank Lammence
 * Rosalind Speirs as Nellie Moran / Nellie West
 * George Mallaby as Barney Robinson
 * Patsy King as Vera Maguire
 * Leila Hayes as Florrie Robinson
 * Gus Mercurio as Sparring Partner / Bill Timms
 * Graham Kennedy as Clive Parker
 * Frank Wilson as Tom Trumbleward
 * Tony Bonner as Brendan West
 * Vivean Gray as Jane
 * Brian Blain as Peter Wells
 * Reg Gorman as Priest
 * Tristan Rogers
 * Fay Kelton

Other books
Hardy wrote several books examining his experiences arising from writing Power Without Glory, including The Hard Way: The Story Behind Power without Glory (1961), Who Shot George Kirkland?: A Novel About the Nature of Truth (1981), and But the Dead are Many: A Novel in Fugue Form (1975). In these a central theme is the ambiguity between truth and fiction.

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Burrow

A burrow is a hole or tunnel excavated into the ground by an animal to construct a space suitable for habitation or temporary refuge, or as a byproduct of locomotion. Burrows provide a form of shelter against predation and exposure to the elements, and can be found in nearly every biome and among various biological interactions. Many animal species are known to form burrows. These species range from small amphipods, to very large vertebrate species such as the polar bear. Burrows can be constructed into a wide variety of substrates and can range in complexity from a simple tube a few centimeters long to a complex network of interconnecting tunnels and chambers hundreds or thousands of meters in total length; an example of the latter level of complexity, a well-developed burrow, would be a rabbit warren.

Vertebrate burrows
A large variety of vertebrates construct or use burrows in many types of substrate; burrows can range widely in complexity. Some examples of vertebrate burrowing animals include a number of mammals, amphibians, fish (dragonet and lungfish ), reptiles, and birds (including small dinosaurs ). Mammals are perhaps most well known for burrowing. Mammal species such as Insectivora like the mole, and rodents like the gopher, great gerbil and groundhog are often found to form burrows. Some other mammals that are known to burrow are the platypus, pangolin, pygmy rabbit, armadillo, rat and weasel. Some rabbits, members of the family Leporidae, are well-known burrowers. Some species, such as the groundhog, can construct burrows that occupy a full cubic metre, displacing about 300 kg of dirt. There is evidence that rodents may construct the most complex burrows of all vertebrate burrowing species. For example, great gerbils live in family groups in extensive burrows, which can be seen on satellite images. Even the unoccupied burrows can remain visible in the landscape for years. The burrows are distributed regularly, although the occupied burrows appear to be clustered in space. Even Carnivora like the meerkat, and marsupials, such as wombats are burrowers. Wombat burrows are large and some have been mapped using a drone. The largest burrowing animal is probably the polar bear when it makes its maternity den in snow or earth. Lizards are also known to construct and live in burrows, and may exhibit territorial behaviour over the burrows as well. There is also evidence that a burrow provides protection for the Adelaide pygmy blue-tongue skink (Tiliqua adelaidensis) when fighting, as they may fight from inside their burrows.

Burrows by birds are usually made in soft soils; some penguins and other pelagic seabirds are noted for such burrows. The Magellanic penguin is an example, constructing burrows along coastal Patagonian regions of Chile and Argentina. Other burrowing birds are puffins, kingfishers, and bee-eaters.

Kangaroo mice construct burrows in fine sand.

Invertebrate burrows
Scabies mites construct their burrows in the skin of the infested animal or human. Termites and some wasps construct burrows in the soil and wood. Ants construct burrows in the soil. Some sea urchins and clams can burrow into rock.

The burrows produced by invertebrate animals can be filled actively or passively. Dwelling burrows which remain open during the occupation by an organism are filled passively, by gravity rather than by the organism. Actively filled burrows, on the other hand, are filled with material by the burrowing organism itself.

The establishment of an invertebrate burrow often involves the soaking of surrounding sediment in mucus to prevent collapse and to seal off water flow.

Examples of burrowing invertebrates are insects, spiders, sea urchins, crustaceans, clams and worms.

Excavators, modifiers, and occupants
Burrowing animals can be divided into three categories: primary excavators, secondary modifiers and simple occupants. Primary excavators are the animals that originally dig and construct the burrow, and are generally very strong. Some animals considered to be primary excavators are the prairie dog, aardvark and wombat. Pygmy gerbils are an example of secondary modifiers, as they do not build an original burrow, but will live inside a burrow made by other animals and improve or change some aspects of the burrow for their own purpose. The third category, simple occupants, neither build nor modify the burrow but simply live inside or use it for their own purpose. Some species of bird make use of burrows built by tortoises, which is an example of simple occupancy. These animals can also be referred to as commensals.

Protection
Some species may spend the majority of their days inside a burrow, indicating it must have good conditions and provide some benefit to the animal. Burrows may be used by certain species as protection from harsh conditions, or from predators. Burrows may be found facing the direction of sunlight or away from the direction of cold wind. This could help with heat retention and insulation, providing protection from temperatures and conditions outside. Insects such as the earwig may construct burrows to live in during winter, and use them for physical protection. Some species will also use burrows to store and protect food. This provides a benefit to the animal as it can keep food away from other competition. It also allows the animal to keep a good stock of food inside the burrow to avoid extreme weather conditions or seasons where certain food sources may be unavailable. Additionally, burrows can protect to animals that have just had their young, providing good conditions and safety for vulnerable newborn animals. Burrows may also provide shelter to animals residing in areas frequently destroyed by fire, as animals deep underground in a burrow may be kept dry, safe and at a stable temperature.

Fossil burrows
Burrows are also commonly preserved in the fossil record as burrow fossils, a type of trace fossil.

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To let you know, T. N. Krishnan and Image:Tnkrishnan.jpg have been listed at Copyright problems as a possible copyright violation. If you would like to comment on their status, please do so there. Mr Bound 00:07, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

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Ching Cheong

Ching Cheong (born 22 December 1949) is a Chinese senior journalist with The Straits Times. He is best known for having been interned by the People's Republic of China on allegations of spying for Taiwan. He was detained in April 2005 and spent over 1,000 days in prison; his sentencing in August 2006 was for five years' imprisonment, scheduled to end in August 2011, but he was released just before Chinese New Year in February 2008.

Biography
Cheong was born in Guangzhou, China, on 3 December 1949. Educated at St. Paul's College, Hong Kong, he graduated from the University of Hong Kong with an Economics degree in 1973.

In 1974, he joined the Hong Konger pro-CCP newspaper Wen Wei Po, of which he eventually became vice-editorial manager. However, following the Tiananmen Square massacre of 4 June 1989, Cheong and around 40 other journalists resigned from the newspaper in protest. Subsequently, he and Li Zhisong, along with a few other journalists, founded Commentary, a political magazine focused on the CCP.

In 1996, he joined the staff of the Singapore-based The Straits Times. Initially, he was assigned to the Taiwan desk, where his articles clearly voiced a pro-unification stance. These articles are collected in his book Will Taiwan Break Away: The Rise of Taiwanese Nationalism. Cheong was later named as the journal's China correspondent.

In a 2021 article for the American non-profit think tank MEMRI, Cheong reflected on the 2019–2020 Hong Kong protests, describing China as plotting to destroy Hong Kong by "keeping Hong Kong, but not Hong Kong people" in light of the 2019 Hong Kong extradition bill.

Entry into mainland China
In the spring of 2005, he entered mainland China on a Home Return Permit, while researching former Communist Party leader, Zhao Ziyang. On 22 April 2005, he was charged with spying on behalf of a foreign intelligence agency and was arrested in Guangzhou.

The Chinese Foreign Ministry later reported that he had confessed to these accusations. Formal charges were drawn up on 5 August. He was charged with passing state secrets to the Republic of China (Taiwan) over a period of five years. In particular, he was accused of using money provided by Taiwan to purchase political and military information. He is the first Hong Kong journalist to be charged with spying since the transfer of sovereignty over Hong Kong to the PRC in 1997. Cheong's wife Mary Lau said that the charges were 'ludicrous'. She also added that Cheong had apparently fallen victim to entrapment by an intermediary as he was trying to obtain recordings of secret interviews with the former Prime Minister.

International reaction
In June 2005, the Hong Kong Journalists Association and Reporters Without Borders organised a petition calling for Cheong's immediate release from unfair detention. The petition, containing more than 13,000 signatures, was sent to Hu Jintao, then General Secretary of the Chinese Communist Party and President of the People's Republic of China. The International Federation of Journalists and the Committee to Protect Journalists also protested Cheong's detention. The British Government was also asked to intervene as Cheong held a British National (Overseas) passport.

During the incident, some tabloids in Hong Kong insinuated that he was spying because he had to earn money for a mistress in China. The supposed mistress went to Hong Kong from China and gave witness that she had no relationship with Cheong. The accusation ceased when a lot of evidence showed that Cheong was innocent.

On 12 January 2006, 35 legislative councillors including 10 pro-Beijing councillors (including three from the Liberal Party, three from the DAB, and one from the Alliance Party) signed an open letter asking the Chinese authorities to release Cheong unless there was sufficient evidence.

Imprisonment and release
On 22 February 2006, the prosecutor in charge of Cheong's case decided to send his file back to the State Security Department for further investigation. The trial was thus delayed for at least one month.

Cheong was tried in camera, found guilty of spying, and was sentenced on 31 August 2006 to five years' imprisonment. The family's statement on the same day stated the verdict was extremely biased, adopting only evidence of the Procuratorate while ignoring almost all defence arguments and Cheong's defence.

On 1 September 2006, Cheong's wife reported that her husband had called the verdict "very unfair" and vowed to appeal the sentence.

On 5 February 2008, the Chinese government announced that they had released Cheong from prison early, days before the Chinese New Year holiday.

Published works

 * Will Taiwan Break Away: The Rise of Taiwanese Nationalism (Singapore University Press, 2001) ISBN 981-02-4486-X
 * with Ching Hung-Yee: Handbook on China's WTO Accession and Its Impacts (Imperial College Press, 2003) ISBN 981-238-061-2

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Talk:Pensioner

This article was recently nominated for deletion. Please see Votes for deletion/Pensioner for the archived debate. -- Francs2000 | Talk 00:08, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Ja - pensioner ..
Brodyachiy troop.

Поэтому могу поделитьця только трупной жижей .. 85.140.19.8 (talk) 09:46, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

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Missouri Route 340

Route 340 also called Clarkson Road or Olive Boulevard is a highway in the St. Louis metropolitan area. Its western terminus is Route 100 (Manchester Road) in Ellisville, and its eastern terminus is at an intersection with Ferguson Avenue and Olive Boulevard in University City. The stretch of Route 340 between Manchester Road and the Interstate 64 / U.S. 40 / U.S. 61 interchange is known locally as Clarkson Road. The remainder of Route 340 between this intersection and its eastern terminus is variously known as Olive Boulevard (which does not connect with Olive Street in the city of St. Louis). Route 340 ends at Ferguson Avenue in University City, but Olive Boulevard continues to Skinker Boulevard on the St. Louis city line.

Mass transit
MetroBus Route 91 (Olive) travels the entirety of the Olive Street Road and Olive Boulevard part of Route 340 from Chesterfield Mall to the Delmar Loop. Part of MetroBus Route 58X (Twin Oaks Express) travels along the entirety of Clarkson Road.

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So Lo Pun

So Lo Pun is a village in the northeastern New Territories of Hong Kong, within the Plover Cove Country Park. It is located northwest of Lai Chi Wo and northeast of Kuk Po. Today, the village is derelict and is uninhabited. Descendants of the former inhabitants have either emigrated abroad or have relocated to more urbanized parts of Hong Kong.

According to urban legend, the village is haunted. Hikers have also reported that compasses tend to stop working when they enter the village area, leading to the village being dubbed 'So Lo Pun', which in Chinese literally means that 'the compass is locked'.

Recognised status
So Lo Pun is a recognised village under the New Territories Small House Policy.

History
The village was once the home of generations of the Wong family. Recorded history suggests that after migrating movement in a south easterly direction (supposedly from, what is now, Mainland China), the person named Wong Wai Hing was an early settler and founding forefather of So Lo Pun village. Other early settlers are Tsu Kim Gong, Sing Lueng Gong, Yuk Chung Gong and Si Yuen Gong. (Gong meaning forefather in the Hakka Language). These people lived circa 872 AD.

The closest researched descendants of the So Lo Pun village are as follows: Si Chow Gong, Tsip Yuen Gong, Chun Kee Gong, Yuk Man Gong, Si Tak Gong and Yuk Choi Gong (all deceased).

So Lo Pun is one of the seven Hakka villages of the Hing Chun Yeuk, which comprises Kop Tong, Lai Chi Wo, Mui Tsz Lam, Ngau Shi Wu, Sam A Village, Siu Tan , and So Lo Pun.

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Category:Norse dwarves

Dwarves in Norse mythology.

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Amen: The Awakening

Amen: The Awakening was a first-person shooter developed by Cavedog Entertainment. It was to be the first FPS by Cavedog. 60% completed, it was cancelled in 2000 for a variety of reasons, one of which being that its overall scope and proprietary game engine was far too ambitious, given computer hardware of the time.

Story
On Christmas Eve 2032, "The Awakening" happens. Over 4 billion humans go on a murderous rampage. In the ensuring chaos, planes crash, cities burn and millions are dead. In order to stop the rampage of the "Afflicted" the European Resistance Organization is formed in Western Europe to create a "Safe-Zone" where those who are not contaminated with the disease can live in harmony.

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Talk:Woolly rhinoceros

Hooves
A rhinoceros doesn't have hooves. I'd change it but I don't know what part of the rhinoceros was missing: its toenails, toes, or feet? pen-15
 * Yes, they have hooves, they're ungulates.211.72.108.19 12:29, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Rhinos are in the same order as horses and more closely related to them than sheep or cattle. Although not all ungulates have hooves, many, including rhinos, do. CFLeon 22:15, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Mannatien
One of the sentences in the text reads: "The Woolly Rhino also had thick fur & a thick fat coating like that of a mannatien to keep it warm from the cold conditions it endured." I have been completely unable to find what a mannatien is. I left it in the text for further searches and replacement with some similar term. The meaning of the sentence is quite clear: fat and fur for insulating purposes. I cannot think of a living terrestrial animal that presents this kind of configuration, but there are sea otters with fat for insulation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.125.103.181 (talk) 10:40, 23 December 2006 (UTC).

 * It may have been a reference to the manatee or sea cow, which is a sea mammal, quite fat indeed. [unsigned]

Physiology
I think the physiology section is not very clear.

 * This plant-eater was about 3.7 m (11 feet) long. It had two horns on its snout, the anterior one larger than the one between its eyes about 1 m (3 feet) long;

Do we mean the anterior horn was that long, or the one between its eyes?

 * both were made of matted hair.

Do we mean kerotin?

 * It had thick, long fur, small ears, short, thick legs, and a stocky body. Cave paintings suggest a wide dark band between the front and hind legs, but it is not universal and identification of rhinoceros as woolly rhinoceros is uncertain. The woolly rhinoceros used its horns to sweep snow away from vegetation so it could eat in the winter.

Oh c'mon we're not kids here. We know rhinoceroses today use horns for fighting and to attract mates. Mac Davis (talk) 15:00, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

 * Just because the modern types are limited to that, doesn't mean that the ancient forms didn't find others uses for their horns. Evolution is about Adaptation. CFLeon (talk) 22:28, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Coelodonta
The genus Coelodonta should not redirect to this page as it currently contains three different species of which C. antiquitatis is the most commonly known. Coelodonta nihowanensis from China and Coelodonta tologoijensis from the Transbaikalia region should have pages created and the genus page used to link the three species together.--Kevmin (talk) 05:50, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Same is true for Hydrodamalis (gigas and cuestae), and other genera too probably. And there's a similar problem with Homop sapiens. Since other sub-species than Homo sapiens sapiens are known and have articles, Homo sapiens should not redirect to modern human. FunkMonk (talk) 12:09, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Add to this the rather well publicized description of another species Coelodonta thibetana and the creation of a species page for Coelodonta tologoijensis. -- Kev min  § 01:10, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Just for the record, the page for the genus Coelodonta is done, although it's still a stub. Also we need info about C. nihowanensis.--Rextron (talk) 23:16, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Source

 * http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/25/woolly-rhino-baby-siberia-photos_n_6752892.html --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:17, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Overhunting what?
Other cold-adapted species, such as reindeer, muskox and wisent, survived this period of climatic change and many others like it, supporting the 'overkill' hypothesis for the woolly rhino.

I don't see how this can be 'rationale'. Someone can proof that wholly rinos was extensively hunted and that primitives liked more it to the relatively inoffensive deer or muskox?

Given how the extant rhinos are not extacly neither 'easy kill' (unless you have a good rifle) nor a 'good meat' to eat, this is still a very controvertial and unproof statement. Cheers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.20.209.65 (talk) 17:32, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Disappearing during the Holocene?
Hi, according to this article of 2014 on the fauna of Urals (in Europe) during the Holocene, it evokes the survival of woolly rhinoceros (and even irish elk and bison steppe). But this other article in 2012 does not validate the persistence of the species during the Holocene. Who to believe? --Ellicrum (talk) 14:58, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
 * An article focused on the species is probably more credible than an article that just mentions the species in passing. WolfmanSF (talk) 17:22, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

Humans
Humans aren't mentioned AT ALL on the Extinction section. 82.151.166.49 (talk) 12:54, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

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Steel on a Mission

Steel on a Mission is the second studio album by American rapper Lil 1/2 Dead from Long Beach, California. It was released on May 21, 1996, through Priority Records. Recording sessions took place at Westlake Audio in Los Angeles and at Total Trak Sound with producers Courtney Branch and Tracy Kendrick. It features guest appearances from Chaos and Quicc 2 Mac of Hostyle, Tha Chill of Compton's Most Wanted, Baby Girl and Tyme 4 Change. The album peaked at #47 on the Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums and #23 on the Top Heatseekers, and the single "Southern Girl" made it to #38 on the Hot Rap Singles.

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Komsomolskaya (Sokolnicheskaya line)

Komsomolskaya (Комсомо́льская) is a Moscow Metro station in the Krasnoselsky District, Central Administrative Okrug, Moscow. It is on the Sokolnicheskaya line, between Krasnye Vorota and Krasnoselskaya stations. It is located under Komsomolskaya Square, between the Leningradsky, Yaroslavsky, and Kazansky railway terminals. The station was named for the workers of the Komsomol youth league who helped to construct the first Metro line. It has a transfer at its namesake on the Koltsevaya line.

Komsomolskaya was built using the cut and cover method, with construction beginning on 3 May 1933. Temporary bridges were built over the construction site to avoid disrupting traffic, especially the numerous tram routes in the area. To counteract the high water table, the station was built on 636 piles which were driven into the saturated soil.

Heavy rains in the summer of 1934 threatened the construction site several times, and at one point even the Kazansky terminal was in danger of collapsing. Nevertheless, the concrete structure of the station was completed by August 26 and Komsomolskaya opened on schedule on May 15, 1935.

Due to Komsomolskaya's location under a major transit hub, the station was built with an unusual upper gallery above the platform to help handle rush crowds. The station has tall pillars faced with pinkish limestone and topped with bronze capitals displaying the emblem of the Komsomol league. The station was designed by Dmitry Chechulin, and a model of it was displayed at the 1937 Paris World's fair.

The station's southern entrance vestibule is built into the Kazansky Rail Terminal. The northern vestibule is on the opposite side of the square, between the Leningradsky and Yaroslavsky rail terminals. The latter entrance did not survive in its original form, having been replaced with a massive structure serving both this station and the Koltsevaya line station in 1952. There is a short branch line between Komsomolskaya and Krasnoselskaya stations, that leads to the Severnoe Depot. On 15 October 1934 the first Metro train left this depot for a trial run.

Transfers
From this station it is possible to transfer to Komsomolskaya on the Koltsevaya line.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Meat Day

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The result of the debate was DELETE. Postdlf 22:40, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Meat Day
"Fictional holiday" from a webcomic, which is not notable outside of the context of the comic itself.  — Gwalla | Talk 00:16, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Agreed. Gwk 00:22, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, per nominator. but add a mention if we must to Neko the Kitty if not there already. Do this in such a way as not need to hold on to the redirect. -Splash 00:55, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: It's already there.   — Gwalla | Talk 01:42, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Excellent! In that case this can be merrily deleted. -Splash 02:37, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as per above. -mysekurity 01:38, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete stop with the nn webcomics. royblumy 05:20, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. jni 05:53, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete non notable fictional holiday. JamesBurns 07:51, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Rewrite about Meat Day in Kingdom of Loathing.  Grue   19:33, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of counties in svalbard

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List of counties in svalbard
Unencylopedic, possibly nonsense. I can't seem to find a use for this. Delete. Natalinasmpf 00:16, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Totally unnecessary. Gwk 00:26, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete; not encyclopedic. Jaxl 00:44, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge to Svalbard. My mistake... after Googling some of the supposed county names, does appear to be hoax/nonsense.  Delete.  Dcarrano 00:53, July 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, encyclopedic title but patent nonsense. - Mustafaa 01:14, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, total nonsense without any frame of reference. - Thatdog 01:24, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as hoax -mysekurity 01:35, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Detel hoax. This guy keeps writing entries like these, all are hoaxes. royblumy 05:20, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. nonsense. jni 05:48, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as nonsense. Mgm|(talk) 08:20, July 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Complete nonsense, never heard of the places Manik Raina 08:49, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
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Missouri Route 30

Route 30 is a highway in eastern Missouri, United States. Its eastern terminus is at the Interstate 55/Interstate 44 junction in St. Louis. Its western terminus is at Interstate 44 in St. Clair. In St. Louis, the section between Interstate 44 and Route 366 is part of historic U.S. Route 66 and is marked as such. In the St. Louis area, it is known as Gravois Avenue or Gravois Road. Further south, Gravois Rd. is used to mark the old section of the highway where the newer, divided highway rerouted Highway 30.

Route description
Route 30 begins as it crosses over Interstate 55 at I-55's interchange with I-44. The four-lane road turns southwest as Gravois Rd and, after about 2 mi, intersects Route 366. Shortly after the intersection with Route 366, the road becomes a narrow street passing through some older parts of St. Louis. At the city limits of St. Louis, it continues into the suburban area (unincorporated). Shortly before reaching Grantwood Village is the northern terminus with Route 21. About 2 mi further west is the intersection with Lindbergh Boulevard (U.S. 50 / U.S. 61 / U.S. 67) and the road becomes a four-lane divided highway. A mile past Lindbergh Boulevard is the junction with I-270, and 2 mi southwest of that is an interchange over Route 141.

As the highway continues southwest in the suburban St. Louis area, the road has several traffic lights which gradually diminish as the road approaches Cedar Hill. West of Cedar Hill, the divided highway ends and the road becomes a winding road all the way to its end. A portion of the highway over the Meramec River was re-routed in the early 2000s when a new, wider bridge was built.

West of Lonedell is the beginning of a concurrency with Route 47. The concurrency ends 5 mi later inside the city limits of St. Clair. The road briefly joins former U.S. Route 66, turns a corner, and ends at Interstate 44.

Mass transit
The southern half of MetroBus Route #10 (Lindell-Gravois) follows Gravois Ave from the Civic Center Station at 14th and Spruce, then onto Tucker and Chouteau. From Tucker, the route follows nearly the entirety of Gravois Ave until it reaches the Hampton Loop at Hampton and Gravois.

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1888–89 in English football

The 1888–89 season was the 18th season of competitive association football in England.

Overview
A new competition, The Football League, started this season. The Football League was open to clubs all over the United Kingdom, but the first twelve entrants (Accrington, Aston Villa, Blackburn Rovers, Bolton Wanderers, Burnley, Derby County, Everton, Notts County, Preston North End, Stoke (now Stoke City), West Bromwich Albion and Wolverhampton Wanderers) were all from the Midlands or North of England (in later years the competition became the de facto English league, though some clubs from outside England still compete in it). Each club in the League played each other twice (once at home and once away) and would be awarded two points for a win, one for a draw and none for a loss. From these points, a league table was drawn up. Preston North End were in first place at the end of the season and thus became the first ever Football League champions. They did not lose a match all season (a feat only accomplished once since, by Arsenal in 2003–04) and also won the FA Cup.

The Football League is still going today and now has 72 clubs in three divisions (down from an all-time high of 92 clubs in four divisions). Since the 1992–93 season, it has become only the second-most important league competition, behind the FA Premier League in the English football league system.

Events

 * Sheffield United F.C. formed on 22 March 1889 from the Sheffield United Cricket Club in a meeting at the Adelphi Hotel. They played their home matches at Bramall Lane

National team
England finished second in the 1888–89 British Home Championship, which was won by Scotland.

John Yates, of Burnley, scored 3 goals against Ireland in his only appearance for England.

Key
 * BHC = 1888–89 British Home Championship

Honours
* Indicates new record for competition

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Four Panels Of Fun

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The result of the debate was DELETE. Postdlf 22:45, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Four Panels Of Fun
Non-notable webcomic. Started this year, only 12 installments so far, Alexa rank for entire site (comic is in a subdirectory) 441,695.  — Gwalla | Talk 00:18, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Dcarrano 00:54, July 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete not-notable yet. -Splash 00:57, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as per above. Stop with the webcomics, already! -mysekurity 01:40, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete agreed. these webcomic entries are all nn and annoying royblumy 05:20, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. nn. webcomic. jni 05:53, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete non notable webcomic. JamesBurns 07:53, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Removing this would be contrary to the very essence which Wikipedia thrives on. This is information about something; even if you guys haven't heard about it does not mean that it's not "worthy" of being on Wikipedia. All information is worthy of being here. Havok 16:49, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep per Havok. --Briangotts 18:11, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * After reviewing WikiProject Webcomics, I am reluctantly forced to change my vote to Delete. --Briangotts 21:16, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete no notability & no content. Derex 20:11, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails the guidelines at WikiProject Webcomics --Carnildo 21:02, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn Y0u (Y0ur talk page) (Y0ur contributions) 13:58, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, basically the same reasoning for Comet 7, above. Also no content. -R. fiend 15:57, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
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Ć

The grapheme Ć (minuscule: ć), formed from C with the addition of an acute accent, is used in various languages. It usually denotes, the voiceless alveolo-palatal affricate, including in phonetic transcription. Its Unicode codepoints are U+0106 for Ć and U+0107 for ć.

The symbol originated in the Polish alphabet (where, in its modern usage, it appears most often at the ends of words) and was adopted by Croatian linguist Ljudevit Gaj into Serbo-Croatian in the 19th century. It is the fifth letter of the Polish, Sorbian, and the Latin alphabet of the Serbo-Croatian language, as well as its slight variant, the Montenegrin Latin alphabet. It is fourth in the Belarusian Łacinka alphabet and Ukrainian Latynka alphabet.

It is also adopted by Wymysorys, a West-Germanic language spoken in Poland. It is the fifth letter of the Wymysorys alphabet.

In Slovene, it occurs only in names and surnames, mainly from Serbo-Croatian (e.g. Handanović), and denotes the same sound as Č, i.e. the voiceless palato-alveolar affricate.

The Serbo-Croatian Cyrillic alphabet equivalent is Ћ (23rd letter). Macedonian uses Ќ as a partial equivalent (24th letter). Other languages which use the Cyrillic alphabet usually represent this sound by the character combination ЧЬ, however it is represented by Ч in Russian.

The letter is also used in unofficial Belarusian Łacinka and in unofficial Ukrainian Latynka where it represents the palatalized alveolar affricate.

In Ladin it represents [tʃ] when preceded by [ʃ] (e.g. desćiarié, [deʃtʃariˈe]).

The letter is also seen in Banat Bulgarian and Represents c (e.g. Kaćétu, [kacetu]).

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Comet 7

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The result of the debate was DELETE. Postdlf 22:37, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Comet 7
Non-notable webcomic. About 43 unique Google hits for "Comet 7" webcomic -wikipedia, Alexa rank 403,889.  — Gwalla | Talk 00:19, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Dcarrano 00:53, July 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn webcomic, WP:NOT a webdirectory. -Splash 00:55, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as per above. -mysekurity 01:36, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn royblumy 05:20, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. jni 05:48, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete non notable webcomic. JamesBurns 07:46, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Removing this would be contrary to the very essence which Wikipedia thrives on. This is information about something; even if you guys haven't heard about it does not mean that it's not "worthy" of being on Wikipedia. All information is worthy of being here. Havok 16:48, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Shall I write an article on my coffee mug? I could write an informative, NPOV article of at least two paragraphs on it. --Carnildo 21:00, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. I agree with Havok on this one. --Briangotts 18:11, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable. Phoenix2 18:48, July 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * After reviewing WikiProject Webcomics, I am reluctantly forced to change my vote to Delete. --Briangotts 21:16, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete essentially nothing there you wouldn't know by looking at the comic -- if you cared about it anyway. Derex 20:09, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails the guidelines at WikiProject Webcomics --Carnildo 21:00, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment* Comet 7 is fairly well known in the webcomic community and a google search fo "Comet 7 Webcomic" retuned around 3,470 hits and a search for just "Comet 7" returns around 3,170,000 hits JCS 22:01, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * WTF? "comic 7 Webcomic" got we one google hit. This page. Are you forgetting the quotes? Anyway delete. Webcomics and blogs, being self-published, need a very high level of notability. This is why we don't include vanity press authors in general. -R. fiend 15:55, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Technically, neither of those search strings is useful. Comet 7 webcomic without the quotes will get everything with the word Comet, the number 7, and the word webcomic anywhere in the text; "Comet 7 webcomic" will exclude any mention of "Comet 7" that isn't immediately followed by the word "webcomic" (the phrase "Comet 7 webcomic" doesn't seem like it would be common even if the comic were popular).   — Gwalla | Talk 00:58, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I wouldn't have even bothered searching "comet 7 webcomic" if it weren't for JCS's unlikely result. I didn't mean to imply that my search was supposed to mean anything, just that his was defective. Certainly comet 7 without quotes would yield literally millions of results that have nothing to do with this comic. -R. fiend 04:22, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Which is the sole reason I hate it when people use either Alexe og Google to verify if something is "popular" or not. Ex. My site is ranked 600,000 on Alexa but is the biggest Anime and Manga community in Norway, we have well over 1 million hits each month, and for a Norwegian site that's good. Havok 07:52, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.

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Talk:Fixture (property law)

The section on trade fixtures is not entirely accurate, they do not "always" have the right to remove them, especially after the lease is up or they are rightfully evicted. Someone needs to correc this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.42.66.112 (talk) 21:10, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Not sure where to put this, so it can go here for someone with more imagination to sort out! In British sporting contexts, a fixture means a game on a set date between two sides (eg 2nd July: Liverpool v Manchester United), and the calendar published at the beginning of the season is called the fixture list (a term much more common than "schedule" in the UK). I'd put something up at fixture list but can't think of anything long enough to be more than a dicdef. Loganberry (Talk) 00:20, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * It's pretty far removed from the concept discussed on this page - is there an article on sports in the UK? -- BD2412 talk 00:42, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

I need some help here... i bought some property and the previous owners were given till the 10th of june to remove any property. But they removed some gates at the entrance to the property and destroyed some no trespassing signs. would these not be considered permanent fixtures?
 * Gates? Yeah, those are fixtures. Signs? Were they just stuck in the ground, or embedded with concrete or the like? bd2412  T 23:46, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I recognize I am a little late to this discussion, but Wikipedia is not the proper forum to seek and/or give legal advice. Let's keep the talk page on topic. Jake (talk) 01:54, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:Dusty Hill

Ref idea
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/jul/29/dusty-hill-lifted-zz-top-into-greatness — Preceding unsigned comment added by Popcornfud (talk • contribs) 11:20, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Probably useful for the link to "Jesus Just Left Chicago" alone. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:25, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Discussion: date of death
Dusty Hill died on July 27th not July 28th 47.20.114.175 (talk) 13:12, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ Yes, many thanks for spotting that. The source, at Rolling Stone, says: "ZZ Top bassist Dusty Hill, who played with the Texas blues-rock trio for over 50 years, died Tuesday at age 72." Martinevans123 (talk) 13:21, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * How does one know that Dusty died on July 27th and not July 28th? Here is a source showing Wednesday and the ZZ Top website has 07/28/2021 as a date. 73.167.238.120 (talk) 17:53, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Could you clarify where that USA Today source says 28th? And here's the ZZ Top website Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:05, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting comment.svg Note: We're going to have to wait for sources to come to consensus on this, as multiple reliable sources are reporting different dates. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:59, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * In response to a question above, the USA Today source shows Wednesday, which would be 07/28/2021. 73.167.238.120 (talk) 19:15, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I see. Yes, it says "died on Wednesday." What about the band's website? I don't see it there at all. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:21, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * On the band's website, if you scroll down there is a Read More button which takes you to a statement by the band. There is not a specific day listed such as "died on Wednesday." However, the date is listed at the top of the statement. Thanks! 73.167.238.120 (talk) 19:45, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's hidden away here. I can't quite believe what a tiny news item it is. But I guess that's the date it was posted. Somewhat inconclusive. Meanwhile, the other 99% of reliable sources...? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:05, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry I did not understand the last question. 99% of sources are not reliable because of conflicts around when Dusty died? Thanks! 73.167.238.120 (talk) 21:53, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm suggesting that most reliable sources say July 27. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:03, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

 * Comment: I updated the article to reflect his death date as just "July 2021" until we can determine the exact date. –– FormalDude ( talk ) 22:42, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Seems fair, as many sources do not give a date. Of the three sources currently used in the Death section, both The Guardian (which I just added) and Rolling Stone say 27th but, curiously the third, The Independent. which is dated 29th, just quotes the band's statement "We are saddened by the news today that our Compadre, Dusty Hill, has passed away in his sleep at home in Houston, TX." Martinevans123 (talk) 09:41, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * How about this source or the USA Today source above? Using July 2021 seemed like a good idea. Thanks! 73.167.238.120 (talk) 14:36, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, it says "died at his home in Houston, Texas Wednesday". So another vote for 28th. As with all the other sources I have seen, however, there's no indication that the publication has had access to any special information, perhaps supplied by the family, for example. And with many deaths that occur during sleep at home, often even family members or a doctor will not know the exact time. So it may have been before midnight on 27th, or after midnight in the early hours of 28th. There may be an official announcement, there may not. But funeral details will generally make the situation clearer. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:27, 30 July 2021 (UTC) p.s. this latest interview source basically says that, according to Gibbons, Hill just "fell asleep and didn't wake up".

 * Update: At 's suggestion, I've changed the death date to "July 27 or 28, 2021" because that is what the reliable sources are verifying. Hopefully we can learn the exact date from a reliable source once the funeral and services take place. –– 𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 ( talk ) 00:12, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Pinging . –– 𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 ( talk ) 00:28, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * No objection. That is much more accurate, as those are the only two possible dates. Martinevans123 (talk)

Now that blabbermouth.net has reported Hill's wife's post on Facebook here, it seems reasonable to change the date to 28th July. Additionally, funeral details will still be forthcoming. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:23, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

 * The source in the article regarding Dusty Hill's death mentions he died on Tuesday, which would be July 27, 2021. Here is a source, which could be used to replace the Rolling Stone source. There are also sources above. 73.167.238.120 (talk) 01:24, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Semi-protection-unlocked.svg Not done: According to the page's protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. MadGuy7023 (talk) 06:24, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ 73.167.238.120 (talk) 08:16, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

I understand that replacement Elwood was not chosen "after his death" but rather "during temporary medical leave of absence" much earlier
Come on. Just google it. Elwood was chosen to fill in while Dusty was on leave of absence. This article currently says that Elwood was chosen after his death.

In fact the remaining band has not committed to anything following the surprise mortal development. Come on. Just google it. (Not that Google cinches anything, before you sanctimoniously lecture about that; if you click, there are numerous verifiable reports.)2600:6C56:6600:1ECF:4CDA:75C2:2D2F:E7A (talk) 14:34, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

 * The article just says "Gibbons confirmed that". But I agree the placement of the arm grabbing suggest it was when Hill lay on his death bed? If you have a better source, perhaps you could you provide it here? Just google it. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:54, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

 * The article right now reflects the sources. It says Elwood filled in for Dusty when Dusty couldn't play, and then that he replaced Dusty after Dusty died, per Dusty's wishes. That's what the sources say. Popcornfud (talk) 14:55, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

You're inferring, not reading, that those were Dusty's post-mortem wishes. Dusty didn't know he was going to die (which ALSO is inferred, another issue); Dusty knew he was going on leave. And he annointed Elwood to "'Give Elwood the bottom end" DURING HIS ABSENCE. Isn't that what the source says? 2600:6C56:6600:1ECF:4CDA:75C2:2D2F:E7A (talk) 15:08, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, right now, the article says: "After his death, he was replaced by the band's longtime guitar tech Elwood Francis, in line with Hill's wishes." And the source we cite says: "The band's longtime guitar tech, Elwood Francis, will take over on bass, per Hill's wishes." Popcornfud (talk) 15:14, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * How do we know if Hill "knew he was going to die" or not? In fact, we all know, don't we. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:16, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Exactly, Martinevans123, that's my point. Do this: reread the source article (which, wait for it, is one writer for "ultimateclassicrock" - but, hey, wiki's source criteria is unassailable, right?). Assume the article was written one week earlier, as Dusty announced a leave of absence. Consider him grabbing Billy's arm and saying that the show must go on, etc., and the entire article with that perspective.

I surmise that this is what the true perspective is, and that an excitable writer for one website, ultimateclassicrock, [possibly innocently in exuberance] misportrayed everything by the bogus Headline.

Reread the headline as saying "Dusty picks temporary replacement for his upcoming medical leave" and reread the entire article to see what I mean.2600:6C56:6600:1ECF:4CDA:75C2:2D2F:E7A (talk) 15:27, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * That ain't what the source says though. Ultimate Guitar may be wrong, but that's fine. WP:TRUTH. Popcornfud (talk) 15:35, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

This is how urban legends are born. And once in Wikipedia, now it's off to the races. At some point critical mass is achieved and urban legend is semi-impossible to erase. And that all hinges on THIS, and NOW. Do you like pressure? Time will tell (or maybe not), but here is a perfectly plausible scenario: Dusty needs medical attention. Tells Billy he's going on leave. Says the show must go on. Grabs Billy's arm and says he blesses Elwood to carry the torch. And all one week before the shocking surprise. And all in the context of a temporary substitution. One week later, in the shock of Dusty's unexpected death, Billy relates Dusty's one week old conversation. Grants Sirius permission to run the story. Every bit of this tracks the cited source. There's nothing but an exuberant journalist's inference that ANY of that meant post mortem. How could it? Neither Billy nor Dusty knew he would die in Texas in his sleep.2600:6C56:6600:1ECF:4CDA:75C2:2D2F:E7A (talk) 16:50, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

 * Whatever the outcome of this debate, I'm really not sure that Elwood Francis belongs so prominently, or even at all, in the lead section here. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:51, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I think it's WP:DUE - just a passing mention of the guy who took his position. Really the lead should be expanded to cover all the material in the article, it's way too short right now. Popcornfud (talk) 17:32, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Wholly agree. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:14, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Quote from interview at forbassplayersonly.com
I don't think the quote is "very long" and I do think it is better placed in the "Musicianship" section. It also shows he had a range of influences, some surprising. I hardly think this is "quote farm" territory. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:58, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

 * Per WP:QUOTEFARM, "Overuse happens when quotations are used to explain a point that can be paraphrased". Why don't we just paraphrase the info about his influences? Popcornfud (talk) 15:15, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

 * If you think that would be better, by all means go ahead. Here's what I added: "Questioned about his minimalist style, when interviewed in 2016, he said: "And then I was heavily influenced by Jack Bruce with Cream, and he plays a lot. Even Stanley Clark or Charlie Mingus, a little jazz. So I used to play a lot. But when I started playing in a three-piece, I realized that you have to do the song, not your personal performance, so you have to be tasty with it and enjoy the playing. Writing the song helps a lot; if I'm involved in the writing process, it comes to me. I think one of the best bass players in the world for that is Paul McCartney; he played the perfect part for everything, in every song. Sometimes you don't even notice the bass — I hate that in a way, but I love that in a way. That's a compliment. That means you've filled in everything and it's right for the song, and you’re not standing out where you don’t need to be."" I thought it was better in Hill's own words. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:37, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, as I said in my edit comment, I do think that's a long quote, and half of that quote is already in the article. I've re-added the info about his early influences in prose; I don't see a lot of value in including it as a quote instead. Popcornfud (talk) 15:39, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh well, slightly personal preference perhaps. I'm surprised you don't think mention of McCartney is warranted. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:54, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I definitely considered the McCartney thing - but it's not clear from the interview whether he was citing him as an influence, or just mentioning that he thought he was a good bass player. Not the same thing. Popcornfud (talk) 15:56, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree it's not the same thing. But yes, it seems he thought McCartney was a good bass player. And worthy of mention by name. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:11, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

In The News - Recent Deaths
This article is currently nominated at WP:ITN/C. If editors think the article is of sufficient size and quality, they are encouraged to support the nomination so that it appears on the Main Page. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:12, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Posted as a redirect. Well done!  7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:17, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Attribution
Text and references copied from Dusty Hill to ZZ Top, See former article's history for a list of contributors. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:48, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Nicknames
I have commented out the nicknames, "Duster, The Dust and The Dustbunny", for now as they are unsourced and I have been unable to find any sources. It would be interesting to know where "Dusty" came from on the first place. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:32, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I've seen "The Dust" used quite a bit recently, including a recent message from his wife herself. That also confirms that he died on July 28. It's on their official Facebook page: https://de-de.facebook.com/ZZTop Jules TH 16 (talk) 08:47, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. Yes, she even signs herself "Mrs The Dust". And I see see mentions chronic bursitis. Can we use Facebook? It's "user-generated", lol. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:58, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Nah, we'll need reliable sources to mention nicknames. Popcornfud (talk) 11:20, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * And to confirm date of death, I assume. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:22, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Though any info his wife posted on FB *and* was then reported by a secondary reliable source, then we can quote the reliable source instead, that's fine. Popcornfud (talk) 13:16, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok, none has yet appreared as far as I can see. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:32, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Some additional family info
If anyone wants to add any of the following, feel free. I'm a relative and per conflict-of-information rules will refrain, and provide some sources only. Dusty was the second child of Ernest Hill & Myrl Ward Hill (1914-1995) [family info: |gravestone-info], after Rocky Hill (12/1/1946-4/10/2009) (obit: |obituary). He was previously married to Rhonda Hill (marriage in 1976 or 77)--anyone with access to Houston Chronicle archives, the wedding should be in the society pages, as it was a big affair. They had a single daughter, Codie Jo Hill (1977-2018): obit: |obituary. According to the Guardian and some other sources, Dusty has another daughter, surviving, Charity Hill |obit, but I've never met or heard of her before this week. All my family contacts are deceased and I haven't seen Dusty in over 20 years. Agarvin (talk) 15:12, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Many thanks, Agarvin. I'm unsure of the status of findagrave.com as a WP:RS, especially for linking family. And perhaps someone living nearer has access to the Houston Chronicle archives? We already had mentioned Charity, but I see she's now been removed. Perhaps Codie Jo could be added with that dignitymemorial.com source. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:52, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Source
https://variety.com/2021/music/news/billy-gibbons-interview-zz-top-dusty-hill-died-carrying-on-1235031028/

 * Yes, this source supports his wife's report on Facebook that Hill had "chronic bursitis". Martinevans123 (talk) 13:38, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

The Warlocks
I know discogs.com is not considered WP:RS, but records by The Warlocks can be found here. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:35, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

place of funeral
Does anybody know where the place of the funeral was? 73.167.238.120 (talk) 20:51, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Documentary
This is not specific to Dusty Hill, but it is useful and important about the band, and obviously included him. It should be included. WP:Not paper. In 2019, Netflix released a documentary, ZZTop: That Little Old Band from Texas. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 11:26, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * It's certainly worth including in the ZZ Top page, but mentioning it on the Dusty Hill page at all is of debatable relevance, and it certainly isn't deserving of its own section with nothing else in it. Popcornfud (talk) 12:14, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I have eliminated the section.
 * It should be mentioned, and is worthwhile. We should err on the side of inclusion of the relevant.
 * Have you seen it? Or is this just a statement without consideration of evidence?  7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:23, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I have indeed seen the documentary. Popcornfud (talk) 12:33, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Ooh, harsh. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:35, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I acknowledge that you say you saw it. I know I did. WP:AGF.  We disagree.  7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:23, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Dusty Hill was in King of the Hill
I think this Wiki Article should mention how Dusty was in King of the Hill as a paternal cousin to Hank Hill in S11 Ep5 "Hank Gets Dusted" 72.238.53.30 (talk) 03:30, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

MSN has gone mad!
ZZ Top's Dusty Hill Dead at the Age Of 72 (msn.com) <--- saw this one just this morning. Posted like 12 hours passed...a topic which happened like 15 months ago or so. I don't know whats the story behind this. Not cool. Mechanized art (talk) 05:15, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Married after death???
the article states Dusty died in 2021 - however, further down in the page it states he married his wife in 2022! Clarification needed 77.99.143.108 (talk) 16:01, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

 * It says "Hill married his longtime girlfriend, the actress Charleen McCrory, in 2002."? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:10, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

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Ń

Ń (minuscule: ń) is a letter formed by putting an acute accent over the letter N. In the Belarusian Łacinka alphabet; the alphabets of Apache, Navajo, Polish, Karakalpak, Kashubian, Wymysorys and the Sorbian languages; and the romanization of Khmer and Macedonian, it represents, which is the same as Czech and Slovak ň, Serbo-Croatian and Albanian nj, Spanish and Galician ñ, Italian and French gn, Hungarian and Catalan ny, and Portuguese nh. In Yoruba, it represents a syllabic /n/ with a high tone, and it often connects a pronoun to a verb: for example, when using the pronoun for "I" with the verb for "to eat", the resulting expression is mo ń jeun.

Polish
In Polish, it appears directly after $⟨n⟩$ in the alphabet, but no Polish word begins with this letter, because it may not appear before a vowel (the letter may appear only before a consonant or in the word-final position). In the former case, a digraph $⟨ni⟩$ is used to indicate. If the vowel following is, only one $⟨i⟩$ appears.

Examples

 * (April)
 * słoń (elephant)
 * dłoń (hand)
 * hańba (disgrace)
 * słońce (sun)

Cantonese
It is used in the Yale romanisation of Cantonese when the nasal syllable has a rising tone.

Lule Sami
Traditionally $⟨Ń⟩$ has been used in Lule Sami to represent. However, in modern orthography, such as signage in Lule Sami by the Swedish government, $⟨Ŋ⟩$ is used instead.

Kazakh
In Kazakh, it was proposed in 2018 to replace the Cyrillic Ң by this Latin alphabet and represents. The replacement suggestion was modified to Ŋ in 2019; and in 2021, it was suggested to replace it with Ñ.

Karakalpak
Ń/ń is the 19th letter of Karakalpak alphabet and represents.

Macedonian
Ń is used in Macedonian for the scientific romanisation of the Cyrillic letter ⟨њ⟩, representing /ɲ/, although the digraph ⟨nj⟩ is much more common. This, alongside ⟨ĺ⟩ and ⟨lj⟩, is one of the only two cases where there are two accepted Latin versions of a Cyrillic letter in the scientific romanisation, as per the orthography.

Computer use
HTML characters and Unicode code point numbers: In Unicode, Ń and ń are located the "Latin Extended-A" block.
 * Ń: &#323; or &#x143; – U+0143
 * ń: &#324; or &#x144; – U+0144

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