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User talk:Ironbrew

Are you coffeemaker? -m — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.56.30.47 (talk) 14:56, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
 * No, I'm just Ironbrew.--Ironbrew (talk) 15:08, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

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Edit summary protocol
Hi: Please avoid edit summaries that are critical of a person (such as "…after Emico's biased edit"). They violate our policy on civility and I would ask you to consider how you would feel if someone said that they did something "after Ironbrew's biased edit". You know that all articles related to INC are the subject of high emotion and we need to make conscious efforts to keep our discussions calm if we are to write the best possible articles. Please help with this. —Theo (Talk) 18:41, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Emico's comment at INC
How does it help us to point out that Emico's already deleted edit "was definitely unfair and POV against those who disagree with the INC". It is one thing to point out why you wish to make a change to an article, but your post feels like an attack: "Let's hear what wrongheaded Emico has to say". I think that it is very important for us to be gentle with each other as we collaborate on this controversial topic. You were generous toward me when I made a mistake. Please extend that generosity to other editors. —Theo (Talk) 00:25, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I have no desire to belittle or insult another Wikipedia editor, but it is difficult for me to work with Emico and Glen Cessor due to their taunting and reckless use of labels, as well as posting harsher comments regarding my edits: (baselessly accusing me of being a sock puppet and speaking to me in a derogatory fashion, and Cessor referred to me as OTF with no evidence at all, which violates Wikiquette). I would appreciate if you could talk to them about refraining from those behaviours so that we can go forth in making this article an unbiased and legitimate source of information. Regards, Ironbrew.--Ironbrew 01:04, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

I sympathise with your anger. I am trying to address inappropriate behaviours as they arise. It is important that we do do not compound the wrongs of others by misbehaving in turn. Keep doing the good things that you are doing. —Theo (Talk) 09:37, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Sorry for overwriting you last edit on the INC article. I've been busy trying to correct the grammar errors of these latests anon edits. At this point, I'll WP:AGF and assume they don't come from Emico, I've decided to keep some of the facts he brought, but keep focus on the section by removing redundancy and quotes that would make the article sound self-contradictory. --LBMixPro(Speak on it!) 08:07, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
 * We'll see. One thing we can't do is assume every editor who edits the INC article is Emico. --LBMixPro(Speak on it!) 02:46, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

 * User talk:80.58.4.107: Your thoughts? I've notified all the sysops who were invloved in the INC article about this. I help edit his contributions, and I get a sockpuppet accusation in return. What's wrong here? --LBMixPro(Speak on it!) 09:13, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I got the same "gift" from him too. Analyzing his edits, it seems that he believes wholeheartedly that you and I are out to "get the INC" and feels that he is doing right by "defending the INC against its enemies" no matter what tactics he uses. Oh my goodness- this is hilarious! Look who just vandalized my userpage! Special:Contributions/IMNOTEMICO--Ironbrew 18:31, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Editing userpages
Please refrain from editing other users userpages w/o good reason. Although you posted a sock puppet notice, they did they same to you. This makes it seem like neither is true. If you wish to leave a comment for someone, please do so on their talk page. Thank you. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 20:34, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I think that user:IMNOTEMICO is in fact a sockpuppet of Emico, who has been banned from editing some articles here due to his POV and rudeness towards others. He is the one who started the baseless accusations, and since I have proof that he is Emico's sockpuppet, I put the notice on his talk page.--Ironbrew 22:04, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

That's understandable, and I have been trying to go through the histories and talk with admins involved. It was better at the time to just remove both banners and notitfy both users. If you are having problems with another user, its better to ask for help from an admin, and Don't feed the trolls, it will save you some heartache, even if only a little. thanks for responding, and I will try to find out whats going on with the other user. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 22:13, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Let Bygones Be Bygones
I accept. Please accept mine as well. Emico 17:25, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * If only that were true, I would have been pleased to.--Ironbrew 22:07, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar and Holy Edit Wars
Thanks so much for the comments and for doing what you did at the Bereans forum. But I can't help but be concerned about the direction the articles are about to turn. I recently read the anon's post about burying the hatchet, and the whole argument reminded me of the War on Terrorism.

Although everybody belives the radical muslims who bomb communities think of them as criminals, they fail to realize the terrorists did it to serve God. Although we're dealing with a different religion and a different location, it seems too similar. Someone has no knowledge of the laws and regulations of Jimmy Wales' website, makes edits which are blatanly against it. It seems that he doesn't care about the laws, he feels God has sent him specifically to save the Church from distortion, and would destroy everything which gets in his way. The people of the site believe he's out to ruin the integrity of it, in which he is, the attacks he maded only slowed progress with the site, as well as waste bandwidth and disk space. I'm here for Wikipedia. When I went to Wikipedia, I didn't do it because INC was there. I was registered at Wikipedia about 4 months before finding out about INC's article. INC is just another article, equally important. The only thing different is this article is prone to POV pushers, and clueless newbies. I care enough for this religion to contribute. I'm not editing the article for the INC, but at the same time, I am.

Although the article is about the INC, it's not made for it. I embrace the goal of this Encyclopedia, and the community behind it. But I'm not going to fight a holy war to defend this Wiki. Of course I'm not an expert, only minsters and high members are. But I know enough to make a useful contribution. If I didn't, I wouldn't have edited the article in the first place. Starbucks doesn't know me, he doesn't know my experiences with INC, but he commented as if he did. This is an enyclopedia which is designed for everybody to edit, completely against the view of Starbucks. But I'm not going to take the same road I took with Emico. I'm calling different channels, which are capable of explaining the intent of Wikipedia to people. If he wants to write a definite guide to INC, he can make a site of his own. But Wikipedia is not a place to put it. Starbucks doesn't own the article. INC doesn't own the article. I don't own the article. You don't own the article.

I can't stand the crap Starbucks throws at me, but after completely reading all the stuff he said today, (since the tension has gone down a bit) I'm going to cool off by leaving the article to only INC members, until the next Wikipedian comes and challenges his views. Hopefully it won't be a sysop. I don't know when I'll be back. But I have other articles, which are equally important as this one. All articles are equally important, and it pisses me off when someone tells me one article is less "serious" than another. They're a lot of wikipedians who make trivial edits to articles they believe have bad grammar. The problem will be when people like Starbucks attack them, because they don't see it as a grammar fix, but a twist to their doctorine.

Hopefully while I'm gone, you can help improve the article, at least to get that WP:V notice off the page. Until Ealva or Glenn comes back to the wiki and balance the integrity of the Wiki and the Iglesia. I can't deal with this problem alone, and I'm hoping people can get through to him. --LBMixPro <Speak 23:57, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm glad that you were able to tell it as it is, before the sysops found out. I'd hate to see what would have happened otherwise. Also that your part in all this is over with. That whole sockpuppet game was getting mass attention from sysops I don't even know. But at this point you could use either screen name. The webmaster doesn't mind, as long as they meet WP:SOCK guidelines. I can go on about my views and experiences with religion in general, but it would be just rambling. I find it more of a subject for general study, since most monotheistic churches worship the same creator. The difference between each is how they view events in the new testament, or even further back when Babylon drove Jesus' ancestors into exile.

 * Once again, If I haven't repeated it enough. (this is my last time, I swear!) I strongly believe the God INC worships is the same God which was mentioned in this article, or at least this one. That's the only God which the Old Testament focuses on. And if INC's belief is based solely on the both testaments of the Bible, then they must be talking about the God mentioned in those articles. What other God would INC worship? Buddha? Of course not! This was the point I tried to prove to Starbucks. I can't think for him, but the whole revert argument began when he noticed the term "catholic", and debunked the whole article ("redundant how? INC belief is different from mainstream, i.e. catholics god(jesus) died."). But the article itself confirms INC's view it its own section ("...a small fraction of Christians [INC] are unitarian monotheists. The vast majority of Christians [mainstream]  have been and still are Trinitarian monotheists".).  Strangely, this led to what you've seen in most of the neutrality section. It may be fair game in an INC-related debate, but it's not allowed at Wikipedia. WP:COOL is so much easier said than done. As my userpage states, I have a zero-tolerance policy on personal attacks of any kind.

 * On a personal note, I'm a political person who lives in America, a country where I'm given the right to choose my own religion. I cannot tolorate a church which discorages me to communicate with former members only because they thought of them as detractors (as if everything is about them). Yet alone seek out information so I can make an educated choice. I can't speak for everybody, but not every church has a perfect doctorine. If that were the case, we'd have Intellegent design taught in public schools.

 * Even though I have these feelings, being in INC has made me look into myself, and learn to respect all religions. How can a church, which (as far as Wikipedia is concerned) shows barely any signs of being a cult, be regarded by so many as one? It's not like they're putting the safety of their members in danger. As Ealva and Glenn described, the church also follows the spirit and word of the law. I greatly appreciate the members of INC who edit this article in a manner which is productive to the Wikipedia Foundation's goal in general. Maybe if the article stays in a positive direction, it may be released on the print version of Wikipedia, but we need the article fully cited, cleaned up and free of edit wars in order for that to happen. --LBMixPro<Sp e ak 10:56, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

 * As far as Wikipedia's administration's concerned, Starbucks is another screen name belonging to Emico. It's obvious that his latest editing pattern matches or even exceeds the problems with Emico when he first came. People in Espraranza, who have nothing to do with the conflict, who have read the RFAr say it's him. I wish I can assume good faith in his edits, but his latest actions violated my trust in him. As far as Emico taking WP seriously, I doubt it'll happen. How can I put faith into someone who wrote this after finding out someone left WP? Maybe User:Starbucks is another defensive INC member who is acting on behalf of Emico. But I agree 100% that Emico is invloved in this. After all Starbucks, as well as User:BrewCoffee was created by Emico to parody your name. I don't think reasoning will no longer work. I told him I have nothing to say to him. He knows what he's doing, and there's no need to repeat anything. I'll just revert all his edits, since he is banned for being Emico after all. You can try to forgive and forget his actions of defending INC, but you can't do the same with his blatant disregard to WP's rules and authority, especially if he continues to do so after so many warnings. It's no longer about INC. I feel like making a drastic edit to the article, which I feel should have been done when Emico's ArbCom meeting ended. --LBMixPro<Sp e ak 19:29, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
 * As for that drastic edit, be bold. ;)--Ironbrew 00:57, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I let Fred Bauder know about what has been going on. As I said before, blocks and bans won't work for Emico, since he refuses to use usernames. If anything needs to be done, it needs to be done at an article level, with more sysop supervision. --LBMixPro<Sp e ak 20:14, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

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Iglesia ni Cristo
They help with things like users trying to get around blocks. They are more experts at this than I am. --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 10:21, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Iron, are you an sysop? I 'm thinking of blocking the disruptive anonymous user at the INC talk page. Have you requested a block? --Jondel 01:57, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but I'm not. If there was a way for Wikipedia to make me a sysop for the four INC related articles, I would love that. Please also tell this to LBMixPro- he is a more seasoned user than I.--Ironbrew 06:52, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Well if you could build your edit, article counts e.g. you would have a good chance. Behaviour will be scrutinized especially you behave under attacks. There is list of criterias. I'll focus on that later.--Jondel 07:15, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Don't entertain the Trolls
A long time long time ago, in a galax..... when I used to be an anonymous, my comments at various talk and discussion pages would be removed/reverted even if relevant. If a person is anonymous, they can not expect that much recognition. We shouldn't entertain them. I will be reverting or removing comments by anonymous people as appropriate.--Jondel 07:56, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

At this point please edit using your best judgement. Do not be intimidated or ascribe to ' What is your source?'. Treat this demands with a grain of salt. Better not entertain Trolls. If the user does not register, he is not willing to be accountable and we should treated as persona non grata. You may of course choose to allow his comments if obeys rules of wiki behaviour. I'm more of an editor than admin but I've been trolled a few times already.--Jondel 10:46, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

RFA
I've been nominated for RFA. Place your vote. --LBMixPro<Sp e ak 21:37, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks. I didn't know about the John Seigenthaler Sr. Wikipedia biography controversy until you told me about it. That's why the Wikipedia policies exist, so issues like that don't happen. I hate when people misuse Wikipedia for the fun of it, there's already Uncyclopedia for stuff like that. The best model I see for a Wiki encyclopedia is User:Fred Bauder's Wikinfo, where anons aren't allowed. Although it isn't close to the popularity of Wikipedia. But that's the problem with having an encyclopedia where anybody even anons can edit. Of course, User:Jimbo Wales is now feeling the heat for it. --LBMixPro<Sp e ak 21:42, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

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Blocked for 48 hours
Ouch. I just read the comment you wrote on Emico's talk page about rectracting your offer to help him:
 * "You are nothing but a petty liar and slanderer."

Please don't take it personally. But I have to be fair and follow ArbCom's wishes and respect your personal attack parole. I have no choice but to block you from Wikipedia for 48 hours. I see your the problem with Emico. I'm thinking of ways to deal with it, now that WP has new features which could help issues like anonymous edits. --LBMixPro<Sp e ak 12:49, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, Anon's/Emico's actions speak for themselves. But usually when someone says "you're nothing but a..." it's easy to take it as a blunt insult. That's what I based my block on. Anyways, the block should have expired by now. You posted the message about two hours after the expiration time of the block. --LBMixPro<Sp e ak 08:05, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: Emico
At this moment, I'm trying to focus on getting the article improved, as much as Jondel is. Have you tried taking the issue to WP:AN/I

An Esperanzial note
As I remember, the last spam that was handed out was on the 20th of December last year, so I think it's time for another update. First and foremost, the new Advisory Council and Administrator General have been elected. They consist of myself as Admin General and FireFox, Titoxd, Flcelloguy and Karmafist as the Advisory Council. We as a group met formally for the first time on the 31st of Decembe. The minutes of this meeting can be found at WP:ESP/ACM. The next one is planned for tonight (Sunday 29 January) at 20:30 UTC and the agenda can be found at WP:ESP/ACM2.

In other news, Karmafist has set up a discussion about a new personal attack policy, which it can be found here. Other new pages include an introductory page on what to do when you sign up, So you've joined Esperanza... and a welcome template: EA-welcome (courtesy of Bratsche). Some of our old hands may like to make sure they do everything on the list as well ;) Additionally, the userpage award program proposal has become official is operational: see Esperanza/User Page Award to nominate a userpage or volunteer as a judge. Also see the proposed programs page for many new proposals and old ones that need more discussion ;)

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INC Apr. 11 2006

 * I would put an sprotect on the article if it were a fierce edit war like in Nov, where reverts were made everyday. But since it's been over a week since that edit (and a few months since the one before). I just warned him. Also since the edit pattern matches Emico's I have the ability to put an arbcom template on his talk page, and extend his ban a week, as his arbcom desision states. --LBMixPro<Sp e ak 01:07, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Old Skool Esperanzial note
Since this isn't the result of an AC meeting, I have decided to go Old Skool. This note is to remind you that the elections are taking place now and will end at 23:50 UTC on 2006-04-29. Please vote here. Thanks. --Cel es tianpower háblame 20:42, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Rougeblossom
I'm not sure if is Emico, but the username is suspect. To know that much about the doxology, the user is probably a choir member. How many doxologies INC has INC been through? In the 80s there was a different doxology not mentioned. I'm not sure about it's accuracy.
 * I'm a common member and I can tell you about the doxology. And also, we don't know if Emico was a choir member or not.--Ironbrew 23:20, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

While we're at it, Can we do some work with the article? It's been stale for months, and it's almost been a year. I'd rather see the article restored by July, so we won't be in any more content disputes by the time the ArbCom remidies expire. --LBMixPro<Sp e ak 17:24, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure. I've been busy at work here at Wikipedia with my non-controversial topic account and I would like to help improve the Iglesia article in whichever way possible. I humbly suggest though, that the George W. Bush article style protection (new and unregistered users) might help deter the Emico vandal.--Ironbrew 03:18, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I did an IP check on and found out it comes from an SBC provider in Texas. I've sent a User-NOR to the IP. If it continues, let WP:RPP know, since my active editing to the article restricts me from protecting it. --LBMixPro<Sp e ak 05:06, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't know who Emico is but I was a former choir member which explains how I know the lyrics. I agree that the lyrics to the hymns should probably not be posted on Wikipedia. However I see nothing wrong with a general description of the worship services.
 * I find it interesting that 's contributions would come back up later through an anonymous IP and the frequent reversion also arouses my suspicions.--Ironbrew 23:20, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * You know, I am kind of new at this, but I expect I edited the article without signing in, which was my mistake. Rougeblossom and the anonymous IP are the same person, me. And what better source could you possibly have than the testimony of a member? Wikipedia is for anyone to edit. Rougeblossom 01:03, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, the thing is that my testimony or yours (although we are both members) represent personal research and that cannot be verified. Also, being associated with the organization might allow for deviation from neutral factuality, as personal opinion can get in, no matter how we try. It even says below that content must be Verifiable. And for a supposedly new user, let me say that you have quite a grip on using talk pages. We don't want to delete your contributions, we just want sources (Pasugo, etc). Check User:Guavawrench for an example. Also, please read Verifiability. I won't keep reverting your edits, but sooner or later we will need sources. --Ironbrew 01:27, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm new at this. I'm an INC member and has recently edited the content of IGLESIA NI CRISTO page. however, I'm afraid I have not done enough to make it more informative and valuable to all readers. Also, will it revert to its previous content? Why does it include some portions that are totally heresay, like that portion regarding "INC's withdrawal of support for P-Noy" by R. Tulfo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PELLETZKY (talk • contribs) 20:23, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Simple English INC beliefs section
I made a bulleted list of INC's beliefs in the Simple English version of the article. Could you proof read it? Although I tried to keep it to simple English, I'm not sure if some words may have different meanings to others. --20:11, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me.--Ironbrew 04:38, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

A short Esperanzial update
As you may have gathered, discussions have been raging for about a week on the Esperanza talk page as to the future direction of Esperanza. Some of these are still ongoing and warrant more input (such as the idea to scrap the members list altogether). However, some decisions have been made and the charter has hence been amended. See what happened. Basically, the whole leadership has had a reshuffle, so please review the new, improved charter.

As a result, we are electing 4 people this month. They will replace JoanneB and Pschemp and form a new tranche A, serving until December. Elections will begin on 2006-07-02 and last until 2006-07-09. If you wish to run for a Council position, add your name to the list before 2006-07-02. For more details, see Esperanza/June 2006 elections.

Thanks and kind, Esperanzial regards, —Cel es tianpower háblame 16:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

WP:SEMI on INC
I tried to get it semi'd (which has been around since November, so it's not that new) but they denied it saying there's not enough activity on the article. But I'll keep my eyes and watchlist out. BTW, I was reading the Primary Sources rule at WP:RS, and the letter about Felix's abuse is a primary source. Do you know if that letter was published elsewhere? Like a magazine, academic joural or whatever? --LBMixPro<Sp e ak 21:25, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * As you can see, Emico has created a plethora of sleeper accounts, and I believe he's continuing to create them now. With his use of proxies it only makes it easier for him to evade the blocks. Since it's now been nearly a year since the arbcom decision was dropped, and this game began, I've listed Emico on Long term abuse, since his actions are abuse to Wikipedia in the name of INC. About the user you talked to me about, I doubt it's Emico, since he used the classic external link style; Emico now uses the ref tag. Emico seems to want to go after us (me, you and Clayworth [for what he's involved with now]) in particular. Notice that he doesn't seem to go after Coffeemaker, or anybody else for that matter? I still stick to the last thing I said on the arbcom hearing. Please talk to Fred Bauder about this. --LBMixPro<Sp e ak 06:38, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * From my research and experiences with Emico here and on other venues (such as blogs and forums), he is a resourceful and clever person, and he has managed to successfully impersonate other bloggers online, such as one named AgustinongPinoy who is a noted critic of the INC and on the Network 54 forums. I can recognize him though due to the fact that he hardly uses plurals and doesn't usually capitalize proper nouns(such as "you are all berean" instead of "you are all Bereans"), and is highly sensitive to criticism about the INC.

 * From what I know about him, Emico was a former member of the Iglesia ni Cristo who was expelled, and is trying very hard to get back in, and he told me once (paraphrased) "Officers in the Church told me that I have been improving my behavior." I haven't heard anything from him lately stating that he was readmitted into the church. I somewhat understand what he's going through, as I want to leave the INC although there are external factors prohibiting me from doing so, and Emico wants to rejoin the INC, although there are factors unknown to me preventing him from doing so.
 * It also seems Emico is very angry at the Bereans for criticizing the INC and believes he is upholding his faith and defending the INC by performing such acts against those he feels are critical of the INC, perhaps in hopes it will glorify God, or help him get closer to rejoining the INC - I remember you spoke about his edit behaviour being like a holy war before, and the more I read his posts, the more inclined I am to agree. He's lumping us in with the Bereans, and believes we are impediments in his struggle. I will talk with Fred Bauder once I get the time. Thanks again.--Ironbrew 03:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

INC WikiProject
I'm sending this to you as you've edited the Iglesia ni Cristo article substantially. As coverage of INC at Wikipedia continues to grow, and the need to make sure related articles are held at a high standard of Wikipedia article quality, I've proposed a new WikiProject dedicated to INC. If you're interested, go to WikiProject/List_of_proposed_projects and sign your name. A temporary example of what the project page will look like is at my userspace. --LBMixPro <Sp e ak o n 09:28, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism
Please refrain from vandalizing and removing sourced content. Exacconwh 16:49, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * You may want to be careful what you revert, Ironbrew. One of the edits you reverted was also a fix to the references section where an unclosed comment tag hid half the references on the article. I'm AGFing on this editor, but I'm not going to prevent your suspicions, however I did replace your template with the updated one. --LBMixPro <Sp e ak o n 17:03, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Emico, I'm not going to give you a break until you change your ways and the administrators let you back in. Nothing personal, but it would run contrary to Wikipedia rules and the integrity of this article. --Ironbrew 19:00, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * As Fred Bauder said, "Any edit Emico makes to this article may be removed without comment, any sockpuppet or anonymous ip he uses may be blocked, if practical. He may be blocked under his own account for up to one week. If you make a note of his violation of his editing ban at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Emico the ban on editing certain articles will be extended from that date. It is not necessary that you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that an editor is Emico, it is enough that he has the same point of view and style of editing."--Ironbrew 19:04, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I see. I'm changing the wording around to make it more objective than subjective as I added some sources, and it's not clear to what "Quasi-christian" means with no WP article about it. Emico is starting to slightly improve the article, citing reputable sources. I'm wanting to appeal to the ArbCom now that it has been about one year since the finding. I want to make it so that Emico is only able to write to the articles according to policy, but any edit that grossly violates NPOV and Original Research can be reverted without 3RR. And any edit war caused by him would cause him to be blocked; something like indefinete probation. I'd rather have the article improved than battle Emico. By the way, could you please reply on my talk page? --LBMixPro <Sp e ak o n 19:25, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It seems another admin nailed him. Now to go back and watch "The Message".--LBMixPro <Sp e ak o n 20:16, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay
Okay, I've taken care of it. BTW I'm begging you to take it up to WP:AIV next time. Also only admins can use the sockpuppet proven template because they can actually block. Also it would be a nice idea to write something on User:Onlytofind about what happened to the account, and why this one is used. -- w L <speak·check·chill> 07:11, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Your Accusation
I know it has been a while and I should have responded earlier. But please, do not accuse me again of being a sock puppet. RasterBlaster 19:39, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity/Iglesia ni Cristo work group
Created a work group on Iglesia ni Cristo at the location above. Took your name from the proposed project page. I will try to do what I can to help the project, but that might not be much, given my limited familiarity with the subject. John Carter 18:48, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Iglesia ni Cristo
The Iglesia ni Cristo article received heavy editing today by new/unregistered users, which I noticed at WikiRage.com. The article may benefit from a good review. According to Wikipedia Page History Statistics, you are one of the top contributors to that page. If you have the time, would you please read over the article and make any necessary changes. Thanks. --  Jreferee  (Talk) 05:52, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it's Emico this time
You might want to look at Long term abuse/Primetime. He recently vandalized an INC related article that I've blocked him for. If he knows of what's been going on there, he's probably faking as Emico to start shit. That's why I'm username hardblocking any new Emico-style usernames as his sock. -- w L <speak·check> 05:11, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * See also: Requests for checkuser/Case/3m1c0

Civility
You've been here for years, so you should be familiar with WP policies. Calling another editor a "jerk" isn't civil. Please treat other editors the way you'd want to be treated. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 03:30, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Eli Soriano, Members Church of God International, and Ang Dating Daan Articles
Hi Ironbrew,

According to Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry's talk page he "may be away from Wikipedia for long periods of time." That is also the case with me. Would you kindly help us keep an eye on the above articles. There is some problem with an editor called Dar_book who is using every trick in his "book" to whitewash the articles. He is quite quick, the moment I am gone he would edit them, like what happened today. It is getting on my nerves. Please see this link.

Thank you.

– Shannon Rose (talk) 17:33, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Iglesia ni Cristo group
There is discussion regarding what if anything to do regarding the Iglesia ni Cristo work group at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Christianity/Iglesia ni Cristo work group. Input from all listed members is more than welcome. Thank you. John Carter (talk) 15:50, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism
Please don't vandalize my page again. RasterBlaster (talk) 18:09, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Regarding INC succession
Hello! I noticed that you edited the INC succession user box to indicate that the late Ka Erdy's son Eduardo is now the acting Executive Minister. Is there a confirmed source about this? Since I'm Catholic, I'm not familiar with how things work over at the INC. My impression, based on the news reports, if Ka Erdy's profile is a precedent, is that there will have first to be a formal election or convocation (or something like that, I'm not sure what term the INC uses) among the top INC ministers convened to name the next Executive Minister, and it is in this type of election that Eduardo Manalo is expected to be named. I have yet to see a news report that says he already assumed Acting Executive Minister duties after his father's death...or is this an automatic thing within the INC leadership, much like how a Vice President (of a country or corporation) is expected to succeed a President who died in office? Thanks in advance :) --- Tito Pao (talk) 03:24, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

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Long-term abuse report
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Talk:Random graph

Equivalence of G(n,p) and G(n,M)
I corrected the statement the models are interchangable for $$M \simeq pn$$. The cited source states capital $$N$$ instead of the number of vertices $$n$$ in this formula, previously introduced as the maximal possible amount of edges. Also everything else makes no sense, because the decision to add the edge or not is made "the number of possible edges" times and not "number of vertices" times, which would much less... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.7.91 (talk) 23:05, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Erdös-Rényi and Gilbert model
Hey guys/girls, I'm quite sure that the original Erdös-Rényi model is the G(n,m) model and the other one was first promoted by Gilbert. What do you think? I'll check tomorrow with my good old Bollobás (the book not the scientist!) :-) Netzwerkerin (talk) 20:19, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

I checked it, changed it and added the source. Netzwerkerin (talk) 09:33, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm linking here from quantifier elimination, but there random graph seems to have somewhat different meaning: it's the graph which contains every finite graph as a subgraph or something like that. I would expect that there is a correlation between them, but these do not seem to be entirely identical notions. Anyone has insight into this? I hope to check this at some point. -- vkuncak

 * Oh yes vkuncak: on the one hand *THE* random graph is certain specific (unique up to isomorphism) graph with an infinite number (more specifically $$\aleph_0$$) of vertices, on the other hand (informally) *A* random graph is a graph generated by some random process. More formally, it is any graph when viewed as a point in some probability space... in this latter view it's more common to talk about *random graphs* in plural, like in "random graphs have diameter 2"... however, most specialist would say "almost every graph have diameter 2" instead.

 * There is a very nice *equivalence* (so to speak, under certain restrictions) of both pictures, thanks to a marvelous theorem discovered independently by Fagin (on the one hand) and Glebskii, Kogan, Liogon and Talanov (on the other). In my opinion, the best source for this theorem is the excellent book by Joel Spencer "The Strange Logic of Random Graphs"... needless to say this is not but the tip of the iceberg. Xaman 23:32, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

What does percolation have to do with random graphs ?
And why is there a "blah blah blah etc." ? Is this a case of vandalism ? I'm writing this on 29-4-2006. I'll wait for a couple of months and if the percolation part has not been explained by then, I'll erase it.

29-6-2006: I'm glad to see that the "blah blah" part has been erased but the reference to percolation has not been explained. I've read the article on "percolation" and although some things mentioned there do have a graph structure no connection is mentioned or is obvious specifically with random graphs. A lot of things have a graph structure and there's no more reason for percolation to be there than for dozens of other things. So I'm erasing the reference to it. I'll check again in the future to see if anyone objects.

04-11-2006: Percolation indeed has to do with random graphs. Suppose the graph grows with small-sized edges in something solid. What's the probability of any vertex touching the other side of the solid wall? That's percolation. And that's also r.g.62.118.128.63 01:12, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Erdos-Renyi model
Is the Erdos-Renyi model related to random graphs? It would be great if the Erdos-Renyi model article would be created, as there are a bunch of articles which link to it. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 16:45, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

visualizations
What this page really needs are some visualizations of random graphs versus other more organized graphs. You can see the difference when you look at them. Pwoolf (talk) 19:18, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Snapshots
The text says that an Erdos-Renyi graph is a snapshot of the "random graph process" at a particular time. It seems to me that it is a snapshot at a (binomially-distributed?) random time. Is that correct? LachlanA (talk) 21:15, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

The article says: "Both models can be viewed as snapshots at a particular time of the random graph process, which is a stochastic process that starts with n vertices and no edges and at each step adds one new edge chosen uniformly from the set of missing edges." There is a problem with this sentence. For example, consider the Erdos-Renyi model G(n,p) and consider a fixed triangle in K_n. The probability that our fixed triangle will appear in G(n,p) is exactly p^3. Now consider the random process above. Suppose also that you stop adding edges to the random process once you've added a fraction of p of all possible edges. Then in general, it is not true that our fixed triangle will appear in the final random graph with probability p^3 (although our fixed triangle will appear with probability very close to p^3 for many values of p). I do agree however that the random graph G(n,M) can be viewed as a form of the above random process. So, to sum things up, G(n,M) can be viewed as the above random process, while G(n,p) can not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.74.1.4 (talk) 12:02, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Other models?
In the language of probability it is customary to call "random object $$X$$ of the set $$S$$" any measurable map $$X:\Omega\to S$$, from a base probability space $$\textstyle (\Omega, \mathcal F, P)$$ to $$S$$ (once a sigma algebra has been fixed in $$S$$). According to this, I would expect that "random graph", say with (possibly infinite) vertex set $$V$$, in the most general meaning should refer to any measurable map $$X:\Omega\to 2^K$$, where $$K$$ is the set of all unordered pairs of $$V$$, and of course, the power set $$2^K$$ is equipped with the product sigma algebra. In other words, in this wider definition any probability distribution of edges is allowed, not assuming independency of edges, nor that they are i.d., like e.g. in the Erdos-Renyi model. I am not a probabilist, and I wonder if random graphs are studied in this generality...Thanks. PMajer79.38.22.37 (talk) 17:47, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

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Why interdependent graphs?
I do not understand how the section "Interdependent Graphs" fits on the "Random graph" page. Why this is relevant to random graphs? 128.194.239.166 (talk) 21:44, 26 November 2012 (UTC)Austin B.

 * I took it out. If someone comes here with a good argument of why it is relevant, we can reconsider. McKay (talk) 05:39, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

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The Saga of Darren Shan

The Saga of Darren Shan (known as Cirque Du Freak: The Saga of Darren Shan in the United States) is a young adult 12-part book series written by Darren O'Shaughnessy about the struggle of Darren Shan, a boy who has become involved in the world of vampires. As of October 2008, the book has been published in 33 countries around the world, in 30 different languages. A film based on the first three books in the series was released in theatres on 23 October 2009. Blackstone Audio has also released CD recordings of all 12 books in the series, read by Ralph Lïster.

Background
Darren O'Shaughnessy wrote and published the first book of the series, Cirque du Freak, under the pen name Darren Shan as a side project between two adult books. Cirque du Freak received good reviews and Warner Bros. bought the movie rights prior to publication, though the film was never made and the film rights returned to Shan after three years. Later, Universal Pictures acquired the film rights and a feature film was released in theatres on 23 October 2009.

Plot outline
The Saga of Darren Shan follows the story of Darren Shan, a normal human boy who is coerced by the vampire Larten Crepsley into becoming his assistant and a half-vampire.

 * In the first trilogy, known as Vampire Blood or The Vampire's Assistant, Darren learns about and comes to accept his vampirism.
 * In the first book, Cirque du Freak (also known as Cirque du Freak: A Living Nightmare), Mr. Crepsley makes Darren a half-vampire in return for saving the life of one of Darren's best friends, Steve Leonard.
 * In the second book, The Vampire's Assistant, Crepsley notes that Darren is quite lonely and brings him back to the freak show, where he befriends a snake-boy, Evra Von, and a human, Sam Grest.
 * In the third book, Tunnels of Blood, Crepsley brings Darren Shan and Evra Von to his hometown, where one of the vampires' enemies, a Vampaneze named Murlough, is murdering innocent people.
 * In the second trilogy, known as Vampire Rites, Darren learns about the vampire clan and seeks their acceptance.
 * In the fourth book, Vampire Mountain, Mr. Crepsley and Darren make their ascent up Vampire Mountain and learn about the rites of the vampires.
 * In the fifth book, Trials of Death, Darren faces the Trials of Initiation, nicknamed Trials of Death, to gain the recognition of other vampires as one of the youngest vampires to be recruited in decades.
 * In the sixth book, The Vampire Prince, Darren finds out about a traitor among them and tries to stop plans to destroy the vampire clan. He himself becomes a Vampire Prince, in this book.
 * In the third trilogy, known as Vampire War, Darren learns he may have a larger role to play in the fate of the vampires (and of the world) than he had ever thought.
 * In the seventh book, Hunters of the Dusk, the hunt for the Lord of the Vampaneze, who is destined to destroy the vampire clan, begins.
 * In the eighth book, Allies of the Night, Darren meets some of his past friends who now fit into his quest.
 * In the ninth book, Killers of the Dawn, Darren faces the Lord of the Vampaneze for the second time.
 * In the fourth trilogy, known as Vampire Destiny, Darren is forced to make some difficult decisions, finally taking his destiny into his own hands and dealing with the consequences.
 * In the tenth book, The Lake of Souls, Darren travels to an unfamiliar land to find out who his best friend, Harkat Mulds, used to be; as a "Little Person", Harkat's mind sans memories was placed into a new body after his death.
 * In the eleventh book, Lord of the Shadows, Darren finds out more about the Lord of the Shadows and gets closer to his last confrontation with the Lord of the Vampaneze.
 * In the twelfth book, Sons of Destiny, Darren faces the Lord of the Vampaneze for a final fight, and changes his destiny forever.

Darren Shan's Vampires
The vampires in The Darren Shan Saga are different from vampires found in popular culture. They are alive, meaning that they can be killed by a well-placed bullet, mutilation, decapitation or piercing of the heart (though they will wake up within a day or less if their neck is broken). Vampires do not have fangs and they do not drink blood from the neck. Rather, they drink blood from the victim by cutting a vein with their hard, and sharp nails; drinking small amounts of blood, and then healing it with their saliva. Their nails can also be used to scale walls in a spider-like manner. Draining all of a human's blood would have a vampire absorb a part of the spirit of the victim, allowing the vampire to see into their memories (Darren does this in The Vampire's Assistant, to save the spirit of his dying friend). Vampires have a partial immunity to Sunlight; which means they can stay in pure daylight for 4-5 hours before disintegrating or burning up. However, despite this, Vampires can be active during the day (provided they stay in the shade). By contrast, Half-Vampires have complete immunity to Sunlight by default. Vampires are not bothered by garlic, silver, or holy objects. Fresh human blood is the most nutritious for vampires, but they can feed on preserved human blood or the blood of certain animals if necessary. Some animals' blood, however, is toxic to vampires. Vampires cannot reproduce, due to all their fluids being frozen. Vampires are created via blood-to-blood contact with humans, traditionally through the fingertips, but if any creature, human or animal, were to orally ingest vampire blood, it would be driven into a murderous frenzy and then die (similar to rabies). Full Vampires age one year in appearance for every ten human years that pass (1/10), where as half-vampires age one year in appearance for every five human years that pass (1/5). This comes into play in the series when Darren meets an old girlfriend he had; now they are adults but Darren still looks about the same as he did when they first met. The oldest vampire in the series is Paris Skyle, who was "Blooded" at age two and lived for over eight hundred years. Vampires cast reflections and shadows but cannot be photographed due to a particular vibration of their atoms. Also, as in folklore, vampires sleep in coffins.

Vampires are considerably stronger, tougher, and fitter than humans; able to outperform humans in any physical activity and run at speeds faster than the human eye can follow, a process called "Flitting". Flitting causes a static charge to build up in a vampire's body, which Mr. Crepsley learned to use to force open locks. A vampire's senses are all similar to that of predators, allowing them to see in darkness, hear heartbeats, and track scents. Their bones and teeth are stronger than those of humans, allowing them to endure incredible amounts of physical trauma, are resistant to most chemicals and diseases, and are able to heal and recover much quicker than humans. A vampire's healing factor is not as effective as in most fiction, though they are more resistant to fatal injury compared to humans and other living creatures, and, unlike the beautiful vampires of Anne Rice, most of Shan's vampires are very average, normal and plain in appearance. More abilities include breathing an invisible gas that renders a human unconscious, telepathically communicating with other vampires and humans (three vampires could also mentally command spiders), and locating vampires and humans whose thought patterns they have learned to recognize. The blood of snakes, rats, and cats are poisonous to them.

Vampire society is ruled by honor, personal pride, and tradition. They have a strict hierarchy with higher ranking vampires having absolute rule over lower ranking ones, though they exercise their powers in moderation and are respectful of those beneath them. There are far fewer female vampires than male ones. Vampire matings last only ten or fifteen years with the couple then choosing to re-mate or go their separate ways. Vampires are forbidden to use projectile weapons like guns, bows, and crossbows as they view these as dishonourable, preferring hand-to-hand fighting with swords, axes, etc., or throwing weapons such as a shuriken. Vampires live old fashioned lives: no vampire aside from Darren Shan is shown making references to pop culture, or using computers. Vampires see humans as a chaotic and slightly inferior race, but most value human lives. Some vampires form friendships with humans and many fall in love with them. Vampire Gavner Purl boasts a pair of pink underpants embroidered with elephants, a present from a former human girlfriend.

Darren Shan's vampires do not follow the religions they did as humans, but worship an unidentified pantheon. They believe that the souls of good vampires are reborn as wolves in the eternal nights of a distant world called Paradise, while evil vampire souls remain bound to the Earth for eternity. They do have gods, but there are a great number of them and they are referred to as the Vampire Gods. Vampires believe they are descended from wolves, just as humans have evolved from primates. Wolves are held as the cousins of vampires. Wolves like vampires, especially since they have a scent that means no harm to them.

Vampaneze
In The Saga of Darren Shan the Vampaneze are sworn rivals to the vampire believing that there is honour in killing their victims and claiming their souls. They were originally vampires who broke away from the clan (600 years before the third book) and claimed themselves a new race (Vampaneze) because of the different customs they held. A violent war followed, which eventually ended in a truce when human interference threatened the survival of both races, and both groups mutually agreed to stay out of each other's affairs. This extends even to those who have become insane such as Murlough - killing him risked bringing the wrath of the entire race down on Darren and Mr Crepsley's heads, and the vampires would be honour-bound not to intervene. The Vampaneze are considered antagonists, though they only appear that way due to the misleading image of Murlough, the Vampaneze Lord and the War of the Scars. Mr Crepsley himself noted that vampaneze had some positive traditions such as their refusal to lie and their sense of honour. The Vampaneze have purple skin and red hair, eyes, lips, and fingernails though it takes a couple of decades for this colouring to set in. This is a side effect due to drinking a lot of blood: though killing humans when draining their blood was originally a choice based on their beliefs, in the modern day their blood compels Vampaneze to kill when they drink. Many Vampaneze do not want to fight the vampires, and though Gannen Harst has sworn to protect the Lord of Vampaneze, Steve Leonard, in the final book Harst does not stop Steve from putting himself in danger, as if he merely wants the war between Vampires and Vampaneze settled one way or the other.

The Vampaneze are first mentioned in Tunnels of Blood and become a main part of the plot throughout the rest of the series. Examples of Vampaneze include Murlough and Gannen Harst.

Death's Touch sign
The Death's Touch sign is a hand position used in The Saga of Darren Shan series. It is used by vampires throughout Vampire Mountain to show their appreciation towards a dead vampire, or one that is likely to die. The sign involves placing one's middle finger on the right hand in the middle of the forehead, with the ring finger on the left eyelid, the index finger on the right eyelid, and the pinky and thumb outstretched. The sign itself translates to the saying, "Even in death, may you be triumphant". The sign first appears in the fifth book, Trials of Death, when Darren must take the Trials of Initiation. The vampires in the mountain direct the sign towards him to wish him good luck.

Manga
A manga series based on the series, The Saga of Darren Shan, was published in the Shogakukan anthology Weekly Shōnen Sunday by Takahiro Arai in a weekly serialization. The volumes were being published in the United Kingdom and United States by HarperCollins and Yen Press, respectively.

Short stories
Darren Shan has released numerous short stories on his website, all of which tie into the saga.

 * "An Essay on Vampires by Steve Leopard": The story ties in with Cirque Du Freak. It's in the style of an essay, presumably written in-universe before the events of the novel.
 * "Annie's Diary": The story is based on Darren's sister's diary during the events of Cirque du Freak.
 * "Tiny Terrors": The story centres on the mysterious Desmond Tiny, and takes place during The Vampire's Assistant.
 * "Transylvania Trek": The story is fictionally authored by Sam Grest, a character from The Vampire's Assistant.
 * "Shanta Claus": A special story that follows "Shanta" Claus as he visits the homes of many characters in the series. It serves as a crossover between The Saga of Darren Shan and The Demonata. It is only available at Christmas.
 * "Lonely Lefty": A story centring on Harkat Mulds. It takes place during the events of Tunnels of Blood.
 * "Bride of Sam Grest": Another short story "written" by Sam Grest, a character from The Vampire's Assistant.
 * "An Affair of the Night": A story centring on Gavner Purl, before his untimely death. It ties in with Trials of Death

The Sam Grest stories have been included in the Midnight Feast collection.

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Vic Rattlehead

Vic Rattlehead is the illustrated mascot of the American thrash metal band Megadeth. Vic is a skeletal figure wearing a suit who embodies the phrase "See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" as well as a symbol of censorship. His eyes are covered by a riveted-on visor, his mouth is clamped shut, and his ears are closed with metal caps.

Concept and creation
The mythic creation of Vic Rattlehead is addressed in the song "The Skull Beneath the Skin" from the album Killing Is My Business... and Business Is Good!

"Prepare the patient's scalp To peel away Metal caps his ears He'll hear not what we say Solid steel visor Riveted across his eyes Iron staples close his jaws So no one hears his cries"

Dave Mustaine sketched the original drawing of Vic for the album's front cover. However, Combat Records lost the artwork and improvised a completely different concept. The original artwork was recovered and placed on the reissue of Killing Is My Business... and Business Is Good!. The name of Vic stands for "victim" and Rattlehead comes from what Mustaine's mother used to say to him when he was headbanging: "Don't do that or you'll rattle something loose up there!" This then led to the expression "to rattle one's head" meaning head-bang. According to Mustaine, the mascot represents his feelings about religious repression and freedom of expression.

Appearances
Vic was on the cover art of the band's first four albums (1985–1990): Killing Is My Business... And Business Is Good!, Peace Sells... But Who's Buying?, So Far, So Good... So What!, and Rust in Peace.

Vic did not appear on the front cover of any albums or compilations from 1991 to 2000. However, when Megadeth tried to bring back a more "classic" vibe to their material, he returned for the 2001 album The World Needs a Hero, the 2004 album The System Has Failed, as well as the 2007 studio album United Abominations in a human form. He is identified by his visor, metal caps on his ears, and clamps on his mouth. Only Vic's face is shown in the mushroom cloud on the 2005 compilation Greatest Hits: Back to the Start. Vic was once again absent from the cover of Endgame, instead found in the album's booklet much like the inside cover of Youthanasia and Countdown To Extinction. His portrait image can also be found by joining the spine labels of the 7 albums Mustaine re-released in 2004. Vic was mentioned in the band's 2010 video "The Right to Go Insane" and featured on the cover art for the "Sudden Death" single. On the cover of Th1rt3en he is shown with his back turned. Vic can be seen very faintly on the Super Collider album artwork as a reflection in the center of the particle collider; it is revealed inside the cover and on the back that Vic is the Super Collider. On Dystopia, a robot version of Vic Rattlehead is seen. Vic appears on the cover of The Sick, the Dying... and the Dead!, dressed in medieval-style clothes as opposed to a business suit.

Vic has made small appearances in the music videos for "Anarchy in the U.K.", "Wake Up Dead", "Holy Wars... The Punishment Due", "Hangar 18", "Moto Psycho" (at around 3:03), “Night Stalkers”, and "Poisonous Shadows (Live)" (at the end, playing the keyboards).

Vic Rattlehead is a ‘Guise’ for commanders in the online video game “World of Warships”. Megadeth and World of Warships Legends did a collaboration in 2023 featuring Dave and Vic.

Megadeth appeared as "Vic and the Rattleheads" for the first time in 1992, at Cabaret Metro, in Chicago, IL, then in 1993, at Rock City club, in Nottingham, England, another time in 1997, at Electric Ballroom, Tempe, AZ, and again in 2016, at St. Vitus bar, in Brooklyn, NY.

Redesign contest
On January 29, 2006, an official contest was announced on DeviantArt to redesign the Megadeth icon. The contest stated:

"After two decades of rocking, the heavy metal band Megadeth’s mascot Vic Rattlehead needs a facelift and the band has commissioned DeviantArt to redesign him!! Not only do you get the chance to redesign a mascot whose image has appeared on several Megadeth albums as well as a myriad of band merchandise, you can also win the biggest prizes we've ever offered for a DeviantArt contest!"

The prizes were three different ESP electric guitars. The contest ended on February 14, 2006, and was judged by Mustaine, with the results posted on DeviantArt on March 15, 2006.

United Abominations
The cover art for Megadeth's eleventh album, United Abominations, revealed a redesigned Vic, using artwork from John Lorenzi, one of the DeviantArt contest entries, albeit not a winning entry. Vic appeared as an elderly man rather than a skeletal figure. He was, however, depicted with traits of the Four Horsemen mentioned in the album and shown inside the CD case—he is accompanied by an angel wearing white with blood-stained wings (aka the "Angel of Deth", and an allusion to the Pestilence Horseman), has long black hair and a black cloak resembling the black horse of Famine, is wielding various firearms like the sword used by the War Horseman, and has pale, veinous-looking skin like that of Death, and is, of course, shown dealing death on a large scale. A reflection of the classic Vic can also be found on the far-right building on the front cover.

Artists
The artists for the various incarnations of Vic include:

 * Dave Mustaine (original band logos)
 * Edward J. Repka (Peace Sells... But Who's Buying? and Rust in Peace)
 * David Jude (So Far, So Good... So What!)
 * Hugh Syme (Countdown to Extinction, Youthanasia, and The World Needs a Hero)
 * Michael Mueller (Megadeth edition of VH1's Behind the Music, Blackmail The Universe concert tour shirts, and the 2002 remastered edition of Killing Is My Business... And Business Is Good!)
 * Mike Learn (The System Has Failed)
 * John Lorenzi (United Abominations, Warchest, Endgame and Thirteen)
 * Brent Elliott White (Dystopia)

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Hello. Please do not copy text directly from other websites into Wikipedia, especially when the pages you are copying have a prominent copyright notice at the bottom of the page. Articles that infringe on others' copyright must be deleted. Please see Copyrights for more information. Cheers, A и D я 01D  TALK  EMAIL  04:23, July 22, 2005 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vivek Paul

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The result of the debate was keep (6k, 1d). Scimitar parley 18:03, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Vivek Paul
This doesn't require an encyclopediac entry rail 04:24, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Um...according to the article, "Mr. Paul was declared among the best managers in the world by Business Week in 2004. He was also named by Time and CNN amongst the 25 most influential business persons in the world." (Verified--see ). Smells like a copyvio, but I can't find it. Keep for now. Meelar (talk) 16:01, July 22, 2005 (UTC)

 * You are right. Doesn't really need an encyclopediac entry. But I would still say a weak keep considering the kind of infuential person he is. Fitful 17:13, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep, but it needs to be made NPOV. Stirling Newberry 19:01, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable businessperson. Capitalistroadster 23:06, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete looks like a copyvio. JamesBurns 04:08, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and list on Copyright problems if you can verify that it is a copyvio. (We don't delete on mere suspicion, that would be silly). The subject of the article is notable enough for Wikipedia beyond question. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 17:21, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/I'll Get You

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The result of the debate was Keep (6k, 2m, 1d). Scimitar parley 17:54, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

I'll Get You
Regardless of the song's notability, this article isn't very informative. Delete Gazpacho 04:25, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep as rewritten. Gazpacho 03:15, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. Beatles B-side. If there was info on which track it was the B-side for,you could merge it with an article on the A-side but we don't have that information. Comment Looking at the All Music Guide entry for this song [], this song was the B-side of "She Loves You" and appeared on the Anthology 1 and Complete BBC Sessions and was frequently played in their live shows. Delete or merge with "She Loves You" if article doesn't improve - I would welcome feedback if others feel that Beatles B-sides are notable or whether merging as a section of our "She Loves You" article is a better option. Capitalistroadster 06:29, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Are you referring to B sides specifically, excluding the double-A sided singles? Uncle G 11:58, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * The records indicate that this was a B-side to "She Loves You" and didn't appear on a studio album although it was played live in concert and in appearances in the BBC. Capitalistroadster 13:31, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete . Although if it was the B-side to She Loves You then a mention there would be ok (even throw in a redirect if you like). Certainly doesn't deserve an article on its own. -R. fiend 16:03, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * No vote. While it's certainly been expanded, it's now one of those articles that takes alot of words to say very little. It's still a pretty minor song, really, with little to be said about it. Hell, I've been a Beatles fan for years and I can't recall it (then again I don't like the early Beatles nearly as much as the later Beatles). -R. fiend 15:31, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge to She Loves You. Dcarrano 16:11, July 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong keep, tremendous and notable song in its own right. If it survives, I'll add some information - it really could be a decent short article. james gibbon  17:15, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I have created a section on "I'll Get You" in the She Loves You article so redirect to that article. Keep Grutness's rewrite but failing that merge with "She Loves You".Capitalistroadster 01:17, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete B-sides aren't inherently notable and a sub-stub certainly doesnt establish why it would be notable. JamesBurns 04:07, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - and I have now thoroughly (re-)written the article. See if it's up to your standards now (and songs originally intended to be Beatles singles are worth articles! hell, every Beatles song is worth an article!) Grutness...  wha?  06:08, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge as per Dcarrano (sorry grutness) Renata3 09:46, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep I think it's time to accept that every Beatles song deserves its own article. Merging with She Loves You is inadequate as the song also appears on Past Masters, Volume One and elsewhere. Flowerparty 12:45, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. If My Bologna survived a VFD nomination, then certainly any song by the Beatles is a keeper. — Fingers-of-Pyrex 14:21, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
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Talk:Mission San José (California)

NOT "Mission San José de Guadalupe"
IMPORTANT NOTE: Please remove ALL references to the words "de Guadalupe" in the name of the mission located in Fremont, California. The correct name is Mission San José. The Administrator of Mission San José has provided a clarification statement:

ABOUT OUR NAME: Contrary to what you may have read in most books, we are NOT Mission San José de Guadalupe. In the early part of the 1900's a sign was erected on the roof of the Museum which said 'MISSION SAN JOSE de GUADALUPE." Many books have since been published and, unfortunately, the authors used this reference in their stories. When this mission was founded it was named "LA MISION DEL GLORIOSISIMO PATRIARCH SAN JOSE" in honor of our patron of St. Joseph. All of our record books refer to the Mission as Mission San José. The pueblo (city) of San Jose was founded 13 miles South near the Guadalupe River. The only connection between the pueblo and the Old Mission is that both were named in honor of St. Joseph.

Please share the above information and advise that students can obtain information about this Mission by sending a self-addressed stamped envelope (legal size) to:

OLD MISSION SAN JOSE P.0. Box 3159 Fremont, CA 94539

citation: http://www.pressanykey.com/missions/msj.html

(Additional information from the Administrator of Mission San José - apologies for any duplication of information from above:)

MISSION SAN JOSE

Mission San Jose was founded June 11, 1797 by Father Fermin Francisco de Lasuen on a site which was part of a natural highway by way of the Livermore Valley to the San Juaquin Valley. It is the fourteenth of the 21 Spanish Missions in Alta California. They were founded to secure Spain's claim to this land and to teach the native people Christianity and the Spanish way of life. The site chosen for the only mission on the east side of San Francisco Bay had been inhabited for countless generations - by the Ohlone Indians. Their village at this site was known as Orisom. The Ohlones lived close to the land in harmony with nature, taking what they needed for their sustenance but never wasting irreplaceable resources. What we could call ecology was a way of life for them. Their food included seeds, roots, berries, acorn meal, siall game and seafood. Three years after the founding of Mission San Jose, several hundred Ohlones had come to live at the Mission. They were introduced to a new way of life by the Spanish Franciscan missionaries. Thousand of cattle roamed the mission ranges. Acres of wheat and other crops were planted and harvested under the direction of the padres.

The mission day began with Mass and morning prayers, followed by instruction of the natives in the teachings of the Catholic faith. After a generous (by era standards) breakfast of atole (porridge), the able bodied men and women of the mission were assigned their tasks for the day, The women were assigned to dressmaking, knitting, weaving, embroidering, laundering, and cooking. Some of the stronger girls would grind flour or carry adobe bricks (weighing 55 lbs. each) to the men engaged in building.

The men did a variety of jobs, having learned from the missionaries how to plow, sow, irrigate, cultivate, reap, thresh, and glean. In addition, they were taught to build adobe houses, tan leather hides, shear sheep, weave rungs and clothing from wool, make ropes, soap, paint, and other useful articles.

The work day was six hours, interrupted by dinner and a two-hour siesta, and ending with supper and social activities. About 90 days of the year were religious or civil holidays, free from manual labor.

Mission San Jose was the center of industry and agriculture. The site was chosen for the abundance of natural resources of the area including water, fertile ground, stones, and Adobe soil suitable for building. In 1810, it produced 4,070 bushels of wheat and much produce, including grapes, olives, and figs. In 1832, the mission's l2,000 cattle, 13,000 horses, and 12,000 sheep roamed mission lands from present day Oakland to San Jose.

The mission's permanent adobe church was dedicated with great ceremony April 22, 1809. Valuable gifts of vestments, sacred vessels, religious statues, and paintings attested to the generosity of friends of the mission in the Bay Area and abroad. The majority of vestments in our collection date from the late 18th and early 19th centuries. The silken fabrics and embroideries are products of various textile centers of the Spanish Empire. whose suppliers extended from Europe to Asia.

In 1833, Mission San Jose was one of the most prosperous of all the California Missions. An inventory, of the time lists a church, monastery, guardhouse, guest house, and women's dormitory, in addition to the thousands of acres of crop and grazing land. This prosperity was not to last long. A decree of secularization by the Mexican government in 1834 removed the Missions from the administration of the padres and brought the mission system to an end. Jose de Jesus Vallejo was appointed civil administrator and the mission lands were divided into ranchos. The native people fled but found themselves unable to readjust to their former way of life. Many of them died of disease and starvation. The mission buildings, granaries, orchards, and gardens were allowed to decay. The great herds scattered.

At the end of the Mexican War, in 1848, Alta California was ceded to the United States. During the Gold Rush, H.C. Smith converted the mission to a place of lodging and added a general store to the south end of the mission wing. The town of Misslon San Jose became a thriving provision center at the gateway to the southern mines. Names of many pioneer families prominent in early California history--Livermore, Peralta, Alviso--were closely linked to the Mission.

In 1858, the United States government returned a small percentage of the mission lands to the Catholic Church. Ten years later, a giant earthquake centered on the Hayward fault shattered the walls of the mission church and broke open the roof. The site was cleared and a wood Gothic-style church was erected directly over the original red tiled mission floor. In 1890, a victorian rectory was built over the site of a portion of the adobe wing which housed the padres and served as the administration building the Mission period.

The original mission complex consisted of over 100 adobe buildings. Restoration efforts by the Native Sons and Daughters of the Golden West in 1915 and 1950 saved the surviving portion of the mission wing and converted it into a museum set in gracious surroundings of flowers and palm trees.

In 1956, the town of Mission San Jose incorporated with four others to become the City of Fremont. Plans to reconstruct the church of Mission San Jose were launched in 1973. The Victorian Rectory was relocated to nearby Anza Street and the Gothic wooden church was moved to San Mateo where it has been restored as a house of worship by an Anglican church group.

After extensive archeological excavations and planning, construction began in 1982 on a replica of the 1809 adobe church. It was completed and rededicated on June 11, 1985. With its simple and forthright exterior, the mission church stands as a tribute to those whose efforts made this dream come true. The richly decorated interior follows the descriptions in the historic inventories of the 1830's when the church had been extensively decorated. The walls vary in thickness from 4 to 5 feet. The lumber used in the reconstruction has been given a hand-hewn appearance. Two of the original statues have been placed on the two side altars. "Ecce Homo" a figure of Christ clothed in a scarlet robe and crowned with thorns, stands on a balcony above one of the side altars. The other statue of St. Bonaventure was carved from wood, then painted. The original baptismal font of hammered copper on a turned wood base has been returned to the church as has the bell wheel used by the Ohlones during the sacred parts of the Mass.

Old timbers and rawhide thongs demonstrate the practicality of the padres who, having no iron nails for building, substituted the leather laces. The crystal chandeliers are copies of period pieces similar to ones listed in the old church inventories.

The reredos behind the main altar features a painting of Christ, a statue of St. Joseph (patron of this mission), and two carved figures: the dove represents the Holy Spirit and, at the top, God the Father with beautiful golden rays surrounding him. The altar and choir railings were copied from an original piece found in the museum during the reconstruction.

The mission cemetery is to the side of the church where many pioneers of Mission San Jose are buried. During the archeological dig, the marble grave marker of Robert Livermore, was located in the original tile floor of the church. It was carefully repaired and replaced in the reconstructed church. Many prominent Spaniards are buried in the floor of the mission church but only Livermore's grave is marked. Thousands of Ohlones are resting in the Ohlone cemetery located about a quarter of a mile down Washington Blvd. from the mission.

Three of the original mission bells were transferred from the destroyed adobe church to the wooden church of 1869, where they hung until the 1970's. A fourth bell had been given to a church in Oakland and recast, but was returned to the Mission during the reconstruction of the bell tower. Now all four bells are hung, ready to ring on special occasions.

Further reconstruction of the missing part of the padres' living quarters and a restoration of the surviving adobe wing are part of the overall plans.

The Mission Church and museum are open daily from 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. They are closed on New Year's Day, Easter Sunday, Thanksgiving Day, and Christmas Day.

citation: http://www.pressanykey.com/missions/msj.html

 * Added section head today. The above text dates from July 2005 (see page history).  There is a mysterious lack of discussion here.--Hjal (talk) 06:55, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Why the prehistory of the native American peoples?
This discussion has been moved to Talk:Spanish missions in California. Mdhennessey (talk) 06:35, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I HAVE FORGOTTEN HOW TO INTERACT ON THIS PAGE
I am doing some heavy editing of this article. I just cut out the following:

By 1783, the mission boasted a population of 729 Indians, and grazed 900 cattle, 4,600 sheep, 327 horses and 8 mules. In the same year, the harvest of grain was 2,889 fanegas (about 220  pounds each).

I did this because it is impossible for any of these number to represent the cited year f 1783. I do not know the source, so if anyone does know the proper year, you can put these data back into the artcle. Middle Fork —Preceding unsigned comment added by Middle Fork (talk • contribs) 03:44, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Photo before earthquake
Here is a photo done in the early 1860's before the Hayward earthquake. This is how the original building looked. If there is a place in the article please feel free to put in appropriate segment. Cmguy777 (talk) 05:51, 5 January 2012 (UTC) Cmguy777 (talk) 18:23, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Photo missing or deleted. Cmguy777 (talk) 18:21, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The photo was deleted from WP for lack of an explanation of its copyright status. See .  Since photos taken before 1923 are Public Domain, you shouldn't have any trouble putting it back up on Commons.  It seems like such an image should be in the article.  Was it the one here ?--Hjal (talk) 08:18, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

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The secondary mortgage market was intended to provide a new source of capital for the market when the traditional source in one market—such as a Savings and loan association (S&L) or "thrift" in the United States—was unable to. It also was hoped to be more efficient than the old localized market for funds which might have a shortage or surplus depending on the location. In theory, the risk of default on individual loans was greatly reduced by this aggregation process, such that even high-risk individual loans could be treated as part of an AAA-risk (safest possible) investment.

On the other hand, mortgage securitization undid "the connection between borrowers and lenders", such that mortgage originators no longer had a direct incentive to make sure the borrower could pay the loan. While historically in the US, fewer than 2% of people lost their homes to foreclosure; rates were far higher during the Subprime mortgage crisis. Delinquencies, defaults, and decreased real estate values could make CDOs difficult to evaluate. This happened to BNP Paribas in August, 2007, causing the central banks to intervene with liquidity.

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Ronald Talney

Ronald Talney (born in New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada) is a poet, who has lived most of his life in Oregon. He has published poems in numerous literary magazines and anthologies, and has published five books of poems including The Anxious Ground, from Press-22 in 1974, and The Quietness That Is Our Name, from Bohematash Press as part of the Pacific House Book Series, and most recently, A Secret Weeping of Stones, New and Selected Poems, from Plain View Press. He has also published a juvenile mystery novel, The Ghost of Deadman's Hollow, from University Editions.

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Anahid Ajemian

Anahid Marguerite Ajemian (January 26, 1924 – June 13, 2016) was an American violinist of Armenian descent. Her career in contemporary music began from her desire to help young composers of her generation get their compositions performed. Additionally, she enjoyed performing the music of established contemporary composers. She included these composers with the traditional repertoire in her performances.

Early life and education
Ajemian was born in Manhattan on January 26, 1924, to Armenian immigrant parents. Her father was a physician and her mother a pianist. She began her music studies early at the Institute of Musical Art, which later merged with the Juilliard School. After graduating from the Lincoln School, Ajemian continued her education at the Juilliard School, studying violin with Édouard Dethier and chamber music with Hans Letz and Felix Salmon, and played in the Juilliard orchestra under Albert Stoessel and Edgar Shenkman.

Musical career
In 1946, while still a student of Édouard Dethier at the Juilliard Graduate School of Music, Ajemian won the Walter W. Naumburg Foundation Award. In the same year, she made her debut at Town Hall and received the Distinguished Achievement Medal from Mademoiselle magazine as the Young Woman of the Year in Music. Among the many honors that have followed, the Order of St. James appointed her a Knight of Malta for her lifelong support of contemporary classical music.

With her pianist sister Maro Ajemian, she performed in Europe, Canada and throughout the United States in a wide repertoire including works which were written for them by such distinguished composers as John Cage, Henry Cowell, Alan Hovhaness, Ernst Krenek, Lou Harrison, Wallingford Riegger, Carlos Surinach, and Ben Weber. Together and separately, the Ajemian sisters recorded extensively for Columbia, RCA Victor, MGM and Composers Records, Inc. They were the first musicians to receive the Laurel Leaf Award of the Composers Alliance for Distinguished Service to American Music.

Ajemian and her sister were equally known for their interpretations of the standard classical repertoire. A unique feature of the many television programs they taped for NBC's Recital Hall and the National Educational Television Network was their series of programs comprising the complete cycle of all ten Beethoven Sonatas for Violin and Piano. They appeared as soloists under the batons of Dimitri Mitropoulos, Leopold Stokowski and Izler Solomon, and recorded with the latter two.

Also during the 1940s, Ajemian co-founded the New York City-based organization Friends of Armenian Music Committee, which did much to launch the career of fellow Armenian-American composer Alan Hovhaness, via a series of well-received New York concerts of his music. These concerts were repeated in Boston, San Francisco and Los Angeles. Ajemian and her husband, George Avakian, started Music for Moderns, a Town Hall, in 1957.

In the mid-sixties, Ajemian and her fellow violinist Matthew Raimondi founded the Composers String Quartet at the suggestion of Gunther Schuller, which quickly earned an international reputation and toured in more than 26 countries, including the Soviet Union, India, the Middle East, Africa, Australia, Japan, Southeast Asia and China. The Composers String Quartet recorded extensively for the Musical Heritage Society, Nonesuch Records, Composers Recordings, Inc. and Columbia Records among many others. The Quartet's 1970 recording of Elliott Carter’s "First and Second Quartets" was honored by a Grammy nomination, received “Stereo Review’s “Best Chamber Music Recording of the Year” Award, and was acclaimed by High Fidelity as “Best Quartet of the Year” and one of the “Fifty Greatest Albums of the Decade.” Time magazine called it “an astonishingly brilliant and unique achievement.”

Teaching
The Quartet was in residence at Columbia University in New York City and the New England Conservatory of Music in Boston, Massachusetts. For many years, they were the primary performers at the Mt Desert Festival of Chamber Music in Northeast Harbor, Maine.

Ajemian was a long-time member of the Columbia University music faculty and served as a judge for several music organizations, including the annual Naumburg Foundation Awards.

Personal life
She was married to George Avakian, a record producer and founding officer of the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences. They had three children: Maro, Anahid and Gregory.

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Descendents of King George I of Great Britain
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