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The golden age of hip hop for deletion?
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WikiProject Punk music
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Monroe Expressway
You mention in your comment update (and not in the talk page) that maybe its time for its own page. I'm going to say no to that. Reason, it is currently under construction (for now) and there isn't much to say about it than what's already shown. When it completes, then we may look into it being broken out, though I would prefer leaving in U.S. Route 74 because it is U.S. Route 74; we have a similar situation with U.S. Route 278 in South Carolina. For now, let's cross that bridge when we get there. --WashuOtaku (talk) 22:02, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

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User:Timmaio

About me
I enjoy nature very much. Recently I went backpacking in the Adirondacks, it was amazing. We(me and two friends) were ascending Giant Mtn. and the forest was nothing like I had ever seen before. The whole mountain was basically in a cloud, and everything was moist and green. It looked like pictures I have of Mount Killaminjaro(I think thats what they are of). We slept in a lean-to and in the morning we woke up to a gentle rain. All that day everything was soaked. The air was so moist, barely any of the precipitation evaporated. Bald Mtn. has great blueberries.

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James Latham Clyde, Lord Clyde

James Latham McDiarmid Clyde, Lord Clyde, (30 October 1898 – 30 June 1975) was a Scottish Unionist politician and judge.

Life
Born on 30 October 1898 at Heriot Row, Edinburgh, Clyde was the eldest son of Anna Margaret McDiarmid (d. 1956), (daughter of Professor Peter Wallwork Latham of Cambridge) and James Avon Clyde, Lord Clyde. He was educated at Edinburgh Academy, Trinity College, Oxford and the University of Edinburgh, and was admitted as an advocate in 1924 and as a King's Counsel in 1936.

He was an unsuccessful parliamentary candidate for Midlothian South and Peebles at the 1945 general election, and was elected as Member of Parliament for Edinburgh North at the 1950 election, holding the seat until December 1954.

He was appointed a Privy Counsellor and Lord Advocate in 1951, and in 1954 was raised to the bench as Lord President, with the judicial title Lord Clyde. He held this office until 1972. His father had previously also served as Lord Advocate and Lord President.

His son, James Clyde, Baron Clyde became a member of the Court of Session and latterly a Law Lord.

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Talk:Rockin' in the Free World

REmoving the reference to "Don't feel like Satan, but I am to them" being relevant to crack cocaine, since I can't find any evidence of that - and it seems to commonly be a reference to overseas populations Sherurcij (talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject)

''Results 1 - 10 of about 11 for Sampedro rockin' free world Khomeini. (0.19 seconds) , personally I agree with you, that whole section should be removed - why would you fear about your European tour because Iran was burning American'' flags anyways? Sounds like an urban legend - and it's very important that Wikipedia not further misinformation. Sherurcij (talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject) 05:08, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

About the Khomeini reference
Khomeini passed away on June 3, 1989, "Rockin' in the Free World" was first performed live on February 21, 1989 at the Paramount Theater, Seattle, WA with Neil Young's band The Restless. So the Khomeni story must be made up or Poncho was watching another flag-burning event on TV.
 * I'd suggest the Rushdie Affair - Khomeini's fatwa against The Satanic Verses, calling for Rushdie to be killed, had been pronounced on February 14, and this was instant news and greeted by roaring crowds in Iran and elsewhere in the Middle East. Not sure if there was U.S. flag burning at that point, but does Sampedro or Young actually say the joke was inspired by torched American flags? Even if one of them did, he may have conflated two news stories. Rushdie was, of course, an immediate symbol of freedom of speech and thought.Strausszek (talk) 23:40, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
 * That's almost certainly it, considering the timing. Without a source, it'd be WP:OR to read too much into it, though; I just put the quote there.  Calbaer (talk) 04:30, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

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Performances
Where's the G3 jam? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.194.230.174 (talk) 17:25, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Kat Bjelland

Dates
Filled out the page a bit more. Hopefully at some point someone else will fill in some dates. I have only been able to provide a vague timeline, such as "in the early 90s," etc. Hopefully someone else can add more precise dates at some point. Aesculapius75 17:19, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

B'jelland?
Where did the apostrophe come from? I don't have a complete collection, but it seems like she's spelled it Bjelland through most if not all of her professional life. Here's something written recently on her Katastrophy Wife website where it's "Kat Bjelland":  The newish Babes/Bjelland collection says Bjelland on it, in Kat's distinctive handwriting. So...shouldn't it be Bjelland throughout? Including in the name of this article? Nareek 18:35, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Yeah it's just all kinds of bizarre, I mean really. Felicity Knife 14:15, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Requested move
Per above, Kat B'jelland → Kat Bjelland – apparent typo, no spelling with apostrophe in article, needs administrator assistance. Bjelland is a fairly common name, and I've never seen it spelled with a hyphen an apostrophe in either North America or Norway. — Gene Nygaard 07:17, 27 February 2006 (UTC) [corrected 19:26, 1 March 2006 (UTC)]

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 * Support. I don't doubt that you could find her using the apostrophe spelling somewhere, but she goes by "Bjelland" in all the listings I've been able to check. Nareek 23:11, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Support as above. Looking at the liner notes for BiT's Fontanelle, Painkillers, and the Crunt album, there is no apostrophe—the Crunt disc lists her as "Kat Bjelland Gray". dfg 05:48, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Support I've never seen her name listed as "B'jelland." I think it might be something to do with a mispronounciation of the name. Felicity Knife 14:00, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Add any additional comments

Gene, we all knew what you meant! Nareek 19:48, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Request finished. Ashibaka tock 20:38, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Riot Grrrl?
I don't think it's accurate to say that Babes in Toyland rose "as part" of the Riot Grrrl movement. While they were inspirational to many in the movement, they did not participate in riot grrrl culture.--Larrybob 19:19, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Stripper in 80's
Although mention is often made of C. Love's work as a stripper, Bjelland also worked in Minneapolis/St. Paul as a stripper for private parties and gambling boats on the Mississippi during the mid-80's.74.38.65.178 10:07, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

hello
hi! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.110.223 (talk) 18:47, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Kat Bjelland
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Reference named "vh1": From Hole (band): Behind the Music: Courtney Love. Episode 212. VH1 Networks. June 22, 2010. From Courtney Love:  From Sugar Babydoll:

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User:Aakashraj1990kash

ATTENTION, all the wikipedians interested in Hinduism: Have you noticed that many individual verses of the Bible have been made into separate pages on wikipedia. Each one has a detailed commentary about it for eg. Matthew 1:7. But are not the hindu scriptures worthy of the same attention. I call upon all the wikipedians interested in Hinduism to produce, on Wikipedia, a detailed commentary on the following Hindu scriptues: Bhagavad Gita Mahabharata Ramayana

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User talk:Visitante~enwiki

Tal vez no habla ingles, pero de cualquier manera bienvenido. Welcome!

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LMB bloqueado
Qué tal Visitante. Estamos en una situación parecida porque yo, a pesar de tener ordenador en casa lo que no tengo es Internet!!! Esto me hace ir a paso de tortuga en muchas ocasiones. Después de haber leído tu página de usuario en la oportunidad pasada quedé muy impresionado de ver que habías llegado a las mismas conclusiones que yo. Simplemente fue increíble ver cómo un solo usuario había logrado atender a tantos de estos inquisidores al mismo tiempo.

El bibliotecario Hispa acaba de bloquearme por un dibujo de protesta que tenía en mi página (un gordo estilo con un brazalete estilo nazy pero con la W de Wikipedia). Ni siquiera me dio tiempo para poder expresarme acusando, como el quiere, con nombres y ejemplos. ¿Cómo voy a hacerlo si ni siquiera me lo permite? Además cuando tú lo hiciste, no ha dejado de pedir tu estirpación. Bueno, yo pediré la extirpación de Hispa porque miente y actúa arbitrariamente.

Estoy preparando un informe a tu estilo que será publicado en una de mis subpáginas en español y también me encargaré de difundir sobre este tema aquí en la versión inglesa. Para ello empezaré a realizar las traducciones correspondientes de tu página más un agregado mío. Un saludo, Luis María Benítez 15:32, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Hola de nuevo. Por favor, contáctame a mi correo electrónico: lmbnas@hotmail.com . Prometo mantener confidencialidad respecto a tu identidad. Tengo noticias muy importantes. Luis María Benítez 22:36, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Randroide
Hola, Visitante.

No. No me han bloqueado nunca, y eso que les he cantado las verdades del barquero a Petronas, Hispa, Xenoforme y a Igor21 (ver w:es:Discusión:Atentados del 11 de marzo de 2004). Con Dodo nunca he tenido mayores complicaciones.

¿Por qué no pides mediación para impugnar la condición de bibliotecario de Dodo?. Yo voy guardando cuidadosamente "joyas" dichas por algunos bibliotecarios para impugnarlos en el futuro, si llegase a tener problemas con ellos.

Wikipedia no les pertenece. El poder que tienen está delegado por los dueños de Wikipedia. Demuestra a los dueños de Wikipedia que una cliqué totalitaria esta abusando de su poder y (espero) les expulsarán con una patada en el culo... y si no lo hacen, sería el momento de abandonar la Wikipedia, exactamente que a si uno no le gusta un bar, deja de ir a él y punto.

Un saludo. Randroide 15:21, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Visitante: Prueba con Resolving disputes o, mejor aún, más contundentemente (ya te han baneado, ¿no?), vete directamente a Arbitration policy....prepárate tu caso bien antes de tocar estas puertas. Si consigues demostrar abuso d epoder y trato injusto, creo que tienes grandes posibilidades de éxito.Randroide 16:01, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Te apoyo
Parece que la Wikipedia en inglés se está convirtiendo en el lugar de exilio de los represaliados por los "Dodo-rot" y compañía. Yo también estoy en ese caso, si te puedo ayudar...

--Quantumleap (  What's up Doc?  ) 08:12, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Hola, Visitante
Bueno, ya han "venido por mí"... es el momento de empezar la carrera de fondo para liberar a la Wikipedia en Castellano. El mal avanza porque los buenos no hacen nada.

Te dejo mi proyecto de userbox. Pulsa el enlace que hay dentro. Un saludo:

Randroide 18:25, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

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Show Me (54-40 album)

Show Me is an album by the Canadian alternative rock band 54-40, released in 1987. The album contains the singles "One Day in Your Life" and "One Gun", both of which were hits in Canada. Neil Osborne has stated that Show Me is his least favourite record.

Production
The album was produced by Dave Jerden and was recorded in Los Angeles. According to Osborne, the album cost $250,000 to make, and Osborne has stated that he thought the album was "overproduced."

Critical reception
The Globe and Mail wrote that "the wrenching overdrive guitar, touches of synthetic coloring, pale vocals and abstract political/spiritual concerns bring to mind an odd combination of Neil Young and the Cult." The Toronto Star called the album "punk music gone soft around the edges." The Gazette deemed it "a sometimes confrontational sound couched in dreamlike atmospherics."

Show Me was nominated for a CASBY Award for "Album of the Year".

Track listing
All lyrics by Neil Osborne. All music by 54-40.

 * 1) "One Day in Your Life" - 4:14
 * 2) "Get Back Down" - 4:12
 * 3) "Walk in Line" - 4:21
 * 4) "Standing in the Way" - 3:46
 * 5) "Everyday" - 4:18
 * 6) "What's in a Name" - 4:50
 * 7) "One Gun" - 4:14
 * 8) "Come Here" - 3:25
 * 9) "Because of You" - 2:53
 * 10) "Open Fire" - 3:08 (not included on original vinyl release)
 * 11) "All the Love Is Gone" - 4:42
 * 12) "Show Me" - 3:47

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File:Jakalope-It-Dreams-(Cover).jpg

Summary
Cover for Jakalope album titled It Dreams. Artwork produced by Vincent Marcone of the My Pet Skeleton Productions design team.

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Talk:Ghost ship

misc
It seems slightly absurd to explain away a 'ghost ship' as a 'ghostly ship', but I can't personally think of a better description. Thus the challenge is laid down: can anyone else?

...for what it's worth, I'm confused why this gets categorized as "parapsychology-related". Are ghost ships currently the subject of some major parapsychological investigation? Why should a tradition of legend that goes back thousands of years get pigeonholed into a category concerning some vaguely related faddish (pseudo)science? Mythology almost seems like a more appropriate category.

 * Many ghost ship cases are unsolved mysteries and therefore belong to the parapsychology group. See Reality shift for more.

That's ridiculous. Not every "unsolved mystery" is paranormal-related; the vast majority really aren't. Tagging every unsolved mystery as paranormal would be *insane*, logistically as well as theoretically. 69.129.196.12 (talk) 09:05, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Also, Iron Mountain (Riverboat) is missing on the list.

Possible error: Should the word spanker in the following sentence be spinnaker? 3 October 1923, the SV Governor Parr: This four masted schooner was abandoned by her crew after she lost her mizzen and SPANKER in a storm while sailing from Ingramport, Nova Scotia, Canada to Buenos Aires, Argentina.

 * Probably not an error unless someone misread the source. They are two different things. Without getting too technical, a spinnaker is a foremast sail, and a spanker (sail) is an aft mast sail. Mediatech492 (talk) 15:29, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

New section added
I wrote a new section for the article: In video games, where I commented about the ghost ship that appears in a Zelda game. That's the only case I know about a ghost ship in video games. If you know any other game with the same feature, please add it. 200.71.189.2 19:53, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Article is very sparse
There is much more information out there and I feel this article is woefully incomplete. I have added a ghost ship site for Michigan. If I did somethign incorectly, please feel free to fix. I am new and learning. I will come back soon to add more. Nisanu 22:42, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Phantom Ship ?
Should there also be a wiki entry for the term Phantom Ship which links to this page or ? Nisanu 22:08, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Reality and Fiction
I think the article should be divided into 2 topics: Reality (concerning the "real" ghost ships, ships that are found crew-less in the middle of the ocean) and Fiction/Myth/Fantasy Ships, like the flying welshman. And maybe some notes on the end, about famous ghost/phantom ships.

Ghost ships in fiction
This section makes absolutly no sense whatsoever. It seems like it's rambling. I think it should be cleaned up or something. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.159.167.75 (talk) 23:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

I say we axe it. It looks like some 14 year old got on and spewed about their favorite movie. *ahem* Its relavence isn't worth the effort it would take to rewrite the section, at least IMO. --MUSpud2 23:27, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The subject was important enough for the very scholarly work Lost at Sea: Ghost Ships and Other Mysteries to be wrritten on it. Under no circumstances delete...merely clean it up. I'll volunteer to be first, if necessary. --Chr.K. 00:51, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

This section should definitely be cleaned up. Repeated use of the word "its" is unnecessary and should be rewritten to be more concise.

I will second the above, under no circumstances it should be deleted, it was indeed an interesting read. It ceratinly could do with addition of more content. -- Ironluca

moved Ourang Medan to 'In Legend'
I'm not familiar with this account, so maybe it doesn't belong in the "Legend" section. However, as it was, there was a description of this (alleged?) incident under "In Reality," but followed immediately by the sentence, "The entire episode is apocryphal." Either it's been documented to be true or it hasn't been, but it makes no sense to put an apocryphal story in a list of documented events. 70.18.28.88 (talk) 02:31, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Is the list complete?
Please excuse me if this is spam (or similar), but is the list of "In reality" complete? I would've thought there were more ghost ships covered on Wikipedia. 121.208.3.121 (talk) 11:20, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

On the subject of the completeness of this article, I distinctly remember a persistent and famous mythical 'phantom ship' that supposedly appears near Prince Edward Island. If anyone knows about this myth, should it be added? 89.206.227.99 (talk) 11:57, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Modern ghostships
The UK media has applied the term 'ghost ship' to a number of obsolete US navy warships which (controversially) have be brought to the UK for dismantling. These are currently kept in the basin near Graythorpe off Seaton Channel in the Tees Estuary. (see http://www.ghostships.co.uk/) —Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnYeadon (talk • contribs) 13:39, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

"...these "ghost ships" can be towed from port to port for many years while legal wrangling goes on over their future. Examples include the former French aircraft carrier Clemenceau." This is misleading, and if there are examples citations should be given. Clemenceau is not one - she was towed once from France for India, turned round in mid-voyage and returned to Brest after a few months, where she has been awaiting the conclusion of legal actions before being towed to the demolition yard. Davidships (talk) 22:17, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I would think HMS Resolute should be ont he list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.8.26.10 (talk) 20:57, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Video games
The content of this section seems to be trivial (eg - entire listing: In Skies of Arcadia, one of the games discoveries is a Ghost Ship that can be seen in upper sky near the entrance to the Dark Rift) at best. There are currently 12 listings and links to 16 games; most game articles have a (usually lengthy) "plot" or similar section, yet only one actually mentions "ghost ship".

I suggest this section be trimmed to games where either the "ghost ship" aspect is detailed in the main article, or an acceptable is provided. Any objections or better suggestions? - 58.8.17.197 (talk) 09:52, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

 * I wrote the above. I'd like to revise my proposal thus: "games where the 'ghost ship' aspect is detailed in the main article, and an acceptable is provided". 58.8.9.193 (talk) 13:21, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Requested move (2009)
I've listed Ghost ship at Requested moves and suggested that a more appropriate name would be List of ghost ships, per WP:SAL. 58.8.211.127 (talk) 11:26, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

 * This rename seems like a good idea based on the content of the article. Hmains (talk) 02:44, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Since no one's objected, I've gone ahead and moved it. If you want to move Ghost ship (disambiguation) to that title, then you should initiate a move request at that article's talk page.--Aervanath (talk) 14:50, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, good move. There's still quite a lot of work to convert the article to a good list, however. Andrewa (talk) 15:39, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Article organisation
There is apparently no "main article" for "ghost ship" (in the core meaning). This article seems to be half pretending to be this main article, yet it is as such misnamed, and its prominent link to ghost ship seems to be deferring to some other article which doesn't actually exist (the link just points back to the dab page, where there is no additional relevant information). Basically it seems a bit of a muddle. 86.134.13.125 (talk) 04:00, 25 January 2010 (UTC).

Also, the subsidiary definition of "ships which have been decommissioned but not yet scrapped" seems misplaced because there is apparently no intention to list such ships in this article. This is another symptom of the article not really knowing what it is trying to be. I deleted this and deferred it to ghost ship, along with making some other changes. My changes were a bit of a hatchet job and probably rightfully reverted, but ideally we should be looking to fix the root organisational problem. 86.134.13.125 (talk) 04:11, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

 * List of ghost ships covers the main use - actual ships (vessels). There's no reason for "ships which have been decommissioned but not yet scrapped" not to be listed here. The Ghost ship dab page covers other uses - books, films, music, TV; linking to it as Ghost ship (disambiguation) is per WP:INTDABLINK and has made this clearer. 92.1.93.82 (talk) 07:31, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

 * I'm sorry, looking back at the edit history, I think I'm getting confused between the versions. I think I was accidentally looking at the wrong version and consequently made an unintended change in my last edit. What we have now looks reasonable, except that "Ghost ship is a fictional concept for a haunted vessel" is poor English. It's awkward to say that something is a concept "for" something else. 86.134.90.135 (talk) 12:41, 25 January 2010 (UTC).

 * ... though, looking at it again, it doesn't quite make sense, and isn't quite in the standard Wikipedia style IME. Cross-references in the "This article is about..." vein are normally used when there is a "main article" about the primary meaning titled (in this case) "Ghost ship", and a disambiguation page listing other meanings. That isn't the case here. Logically, how would anyone arrive at this article wanting any of the other meanings? Either they have already been directed here from Ghost ship (so they aren't likely to want to be sent back there) or they actually typed in "List of ghost ships", in which case this is the only plausible meaning. (Also, the link refers to "Ghost ship (disambiguation)" but the target page is not actually called that, which is mildly confusing.) I'm not saying that it particularly harms anyone to have the note at the top of the page, just that the organisation is nonstandard. These are the sorts of concerns I originally had, before I started getting confused about what I was doing, and I don't think they have entirely gone away. 86.134.90.135 (talk) 14:19, 25 January 2010 (UTC).

 * All vessel-specific "ghost ship" links from other articles are piped to here. The "Ghost ship (disambiguation)" links are per WP:INTDABLINK: To link to a disambiguation page (rather than to a page whose topic is a specific meaning), link to the title that includes the text "(disambiguation)", even if that's a redirect – for example, link to the redirect America (disambiguation) rather than the target page at "America". 92.1.93.82 (talk) 18:46, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

 * Regardless of this, it still does not quite make sense. Not that I'm saying it's such a big deal, just that there is something illogical about the setup. There is also something not quite logical about routing links to this meaning of "ghost ship" to an article called "List of ghost ships". When clicking on such a link, I expect to reach an article that is about that subject, full stop, not just a list of related things. The basic problem, as I mentioned before, is that there is no "core" article for "ghost ship" in this meaning, so, mindful of this and the incoming links, this list article feels the need to define the term at the top in the manner of a "core" article, and then tack on a list, thereby adopting something of a split personality, as if it can't quite decide what it is supposed to be. 86.172.96.114 (talk) 22:00, 25 January 2010 (UTC).

 * The "List of ghost ships" article was previously named "Ghost ship" - see the section immediately above this one for rationale. "Ghost ship (disambiguation)" was then moved to "Ghost ship". - 92.1.93.82 (talk) 23:31, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

 * Right. Although neither is ideal, I personally think the "least worst" option would be to put it back how it was. 86.172.103.27 (talk) 21:29, 26 January 2010 (UTC).

Merged lists of ghost ships in film and literature into Ghost ship
Editors were starting to add ghost ships in literature, film, music, and TV to the article Ghost ship, so I merged the sections on ghost ships in film and in literature from this article into that article. However I left ghost ships in literature and film intact in this article in case an editor objects to deleting them, although at this time they are redundant between the two articles. 71.173.71.164 (talk) 03:42, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

 * Reverted - Ghost ship is a disambiguation page - please see MOS:DAB. Thanks. 92.11.105.66 (talk) 01:52, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Requested move (2012)
List of ghost ships → Ghost ship – The "List of" doesn't belong at this title for the simple reason that there is no article titled "Ghost ship". This is one of those combined article/list pages which has some elements of article, some of list, some of set index. But, without a separate article called Ghost ship, there is no reason for this to be titled as a list. Ego White Tray (talk) 13:52, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

 * Support - this is a start article with a list appended. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:32, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

 * Comment sat at  until it was moved in April... perhaps that should return there, since it was there since 2009 as  shows.-- 65.94.77.181 (talk) 22:48, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes but it was done by an RM Talk:Ghost Ship (disambiguation) and this RM is following that one. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:14, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

 * Support per User:In ictu oculi. Also support keeping this page at the undisambiguated title.  —  AjaxSmack   21:54, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

 * Oppose: This page is in no way an in-depth article like Kantianism or Laser. It is a list and as such "List of" should remain in the title. The actual page Ghost ship should be changed from a redirect to a good article. --— Melab±1 ☎ 04:42, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Then you write it. Until then, the article content is all here. Ego White Tray (talk) 04:59, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Ghostly vessels and real derelicts
At present, | Category:Ghost ships includes both the Flying Dutchman (a ghostly vessel) and the Mary Celeste, a real derelict. I suggest creating two sub-categories:-

1. Ghostly vessels, which could include: -

a. Black Pearl

b. Caleuche

c. Eliza Battle

d. HMS Eurydice (1843)

e. Fireship of Baie des Chaleurs

f. Flying Dutchman

g. Ghost Ship of Northumberland Strait

h. København (ship)

i. Lady Lovibond

j. Palatine Light

k. Phantom Canoe

l. SS Valencia

m. Young Teazer

2. Derelicts, which could include

a. SS Baychimo (NB that there is no mystery surrounding how she became derelict)

b. Bel Amica (NB that the mystery surrounding how she became derelict appears to have been solved)

c. Carroll A. Deering

d. Abel Fosdyk papers (about the Mary Celeste)

e. Governor Parr (NB that there is no mystery surrounding how she became derelict)

f. High Aim 6

g. J. Habakuk Jephson's Statement (about the Mary Celeste)

h. Jenny (schooner) (the historicity of this derelict is unclear)

i. Jian Seng

j. MV Joyita

k. Kaz II

l. MV Lyubov Orlova (NB that there is no mystery surrounding how she became derelict)

m. Mary Celeste

n. Octavius (ship) (the historicity of this derelict is unclear)

o. Ourang Medan (the historicity of this derelict is unclear)

p. HMS Resolute (1850) (NB that there is no mystery surrounding how she became derelict)

q. Ryou-Un Maru (NB that there is no mystery surrounding how she became derelict)

r. Teignmouth Electron

s. The Twenty One Friends (NB that there is no mystery surrounding how she became derelict)

t. Zebrina (ship)

3. Query where we should put Iron Mountain (riverboat) - 'The ship ran aground and sank in 1882. However, a common legend claims that it mysteriously disappeared.'

Alekksandr (talk) 12:39, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

 * My suggestion is the categories be Category:Ghost ships and Category:Legendary ghost ships. As a ghost ship, the Iron Mountain is legend, not fact, and belongs in the legend category. Ego White Tray (talk) 06:09, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

 * See below.Alekksandr (talk) 21:32, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Folklore, legends and mythology
I suggest adding Fireship of Baie des Chaleurs and SS Valencia (referring to the Myths and legends surrounding the Valencia).Alekksandr (talk) 18:55, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Historically attested
I suggest adding The Twenty One Friends.Alekksandr (talk) 18:55, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Tables
The tables in this are not helping anything here. Since these entries are mostly prose, the meat of the entry is squished into a tiny box and harder to read. I suggest getting rid of the tables and going back to the bullets. Ego White Tray (talk) 06:13, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose The sortable tables mean that a reader can read the list alphabetically, chronologically or according to the circumstances in which a ship became derelict -e.g. abandoned, unknown, washed away, went adrift. They can also compare types of ship and locations at a glance.Alekksandr (talk) 21:25, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree, the tables make reading the prose much more difficult. I'd like to see them removed.--Cúchullain t/ c 12:59, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Iron Mountain
Why is Iron Mountain gone? Deleted without explanation. Ego White Tray (talk) 06:20, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
 * See my comment above - '3. Query where we should put Iron Mountain (riverboat) - 'The ship ran aground and sank in 1882. However, a common legend claims that it mysteriously disappeared.'  IOW, no-one claimed to have seen her after she was lost (unlike e.g. the Young Teazer) and she was not found derelict (unlike the Marie Celeste).  She has an entry in List_of_missing_ships#North_America and I suggest that that is where she belongs, unless she should be moved from there to List of shipwrecks of the United States, as her remains were apparently located.Alekksandr (talk) 21:25, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
 * It belongs in the legend section. There is nothing in the definition of legend that requires paranormal or a ghostly feature - even if there was, the Iron Mountain Legend is paranormal as an abrupt disappearance. Legend means that it is a story that it is widely believed, and either false, or impossible to confirm either way (such as Category:Legendary rulers. Based on that, the Iron Mountain disappearance story is a legend. Ego White Tray (talk) 03:52, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Lyubov Orlova
MV Lyubov Orlova was never a real ghost ship - yes, the cable snapped, but once it was abandoned it was never actually seen. The only ghost ship about it was the bad reporting claiming that it was populated by cannibal rats. So, in my view, it belongs in legends. Ego White Tray (talk) 17:05, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
 * As stated at the beginning, 'A ghost ship ... may be ... a real derelict found adrift with its crew missing or dead'. This page discusses the  Resolute, the Baychimo, the Twenty-One Friends and the Governor Parr, all of which became derelict in well-documented circumstances, like the ship in question.  The abandoned MV Lyubov Orlova was indeed seen on 4 and 23 February - see her article.Alekksandr (talk) 21:11, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, that brings up the question of criteria for inclusion. The list of real ships is getting long, and perhaps we need to prune it - by limiting it to ships whose reason for being adrift is mysterious, or those that continued floating long after people thought it was lost. As a real ghost ship, Orlova is borderline at best, no mystery involved and no surprise as to when it sank, but the legend of cannibal rats will certainly live on. Ego White Tray (talk) 03:48, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Striking the above - I suggest that Orlova is like the Valencia in that it warrants an entry for both reality and legend - the reality that the tow line snapped and it sank in the Atlantic, and the legend of cannibal rats. Ego White Tray (talk) 04:03, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

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Manfred Fritz Bajorat
Why did you edit this portion as dubious? All I did was Google his name and found this article: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3469044/Mummified-body-German-adventurer-vanished-inside-drifting-yacht-Philippines.html It certainly does not look dubious to me. His mummified body was found hunched over the table, he died of a heart attack and salt air mummified his body.Oldperson (talk) 21:51, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I changed the dubious tag to disputed. The bit that is disputed is how long the body had been decaying before it was found. The Daily Mail (which is not considered a reliable source) and the Telegraph (which is) reported that the autopsy indicated he had only been dead for a week before he was (re)found. This is clearly at odds with the information that I added, which was that the racing yacht LMAX Exchange found the ghost ship with the mummified skipper some weeks earlier, but were told by the coastguard that (as he was beyond help) they should leave the yacht adrift and continue on their way. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 08:55, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for satisfying my curiosity. Much appreciatedOldperson (talk) 18:21, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Ghost boat investigation
This item has recently been added to the list, under "unsubstantiated".

It has the word "ghost" in the article title, but does it belong in this article? This is a case where the boat is entirely theoretical. People are missing, and it's theorized that they may have gotten onto an unknown boat that is now missing. The people were real, but nobody witnessed the boat.

This is very different than a "Ghost ship", as defined in this article, which usually involves a boat being spotted, still afloat, with no passengers.

But I'm hesitant to just remove it myself, because it does have "Ghost boat" in the common name of the event. ApLundell (talk) 22:43, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 23 March 2022

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not Moved Mike Cline (talk) 10:39, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Ghost ship → List of ghost ships – This was moved to a non-"list of" title in 2012, but I heavily disagree that this is anything but a list. A proper article on ghost ships shouldn't have this sort of list content anyway, which should be relegated to a list article. I would like to propose moving it back to its original title. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:34, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

 * Oppose for the same reasons it was changed in 2012. The article could use a better general background though. AtFirstLight (talk) 12:46, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

 * "Set index articles do not need to be titled with list of unless there is also another article or a disambiguation page using that title."
 * I guess it doesn't actually say they can't be named "list of", just that they don't have to be. ApLundell (talk) 23:17, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

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Ghost ship
Hi my namee is a 49.205.118.70 (talk) 15:12, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Bodies on board?
There were cerainly no bodies on board, but neither were there any boats. It's customary to point out the absence of the ship's lifeboat, since its absence could have played a part in the disappearance on the ship's complement. I'm not sure what the original author's intention was. I'm inclined to lean towards the latter. Hengistmate (talk) 16:50, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

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Chi Phi

Chi Phi (ΧΦ) is considered by some as the oldest American men's college social fraternity that was established as the result of the merger of three separate organizations that were each known as Chi Phi. The earliest of these organizations was formed at Princeton University in 1824. Today, Chi Phi has over 47,000 living alumni members from over 100 active and inactive chapters and un-chartered associate chapters. Currently, Chi Phi has about 48 active chapters.

Chi Phi Society
On Christmas Eve in 1824, an association was formed to promote the circulation of correct opinions on Religion, Morals, and Education & excluding Sectarian Theology and Party Politics. It was the duty of each member to publish at least once a month in any convenient way some article designed to answer the above object. When at length it disbanded, its religious feature was absorbed and perpetuated by what is known now as the 'Philadelphian Society' organized in February 1825, and said to be an offspring of the Nassau Hall Tract Society. The old Chi Phi constitution was discovered in 1854 by some undergraduates who emphasized the social and disregarding the religious purpose reorganized the society into the modern Greek letter fraternity of the same initials. The majority of the religious societies founded in Princeton were less general in their scope but more efficient in their work than the old Chi Phi.
 * —from Princeton by Varnum Lansing Collins 1914 The founders of the Chi Phi Society were:

 * Archibald Alexander – principal and professor of Princeton Theological Seminary 1812 to 1840
 * James Waddel Alexander – appointed tutor, Princeton Theological Seminary in 1824
 * Robert Baird – tutor, College of New Jersey (Princeton University) 1822 to 1827
 * James Carnahan – president, College of New Jersey (Princeton University) 1823 to 1854
 * Luther Halsey – professor 1824 to 1829
 * Charles Hodge – professor 1823 to 1826
 * John Maclean Jr. – professor, College of New Jersey (Princeton University) 1823 to 1829, later vice president and president
 * Charles Hall – student 1824 to 1827
 * Edward Norris Kirk – student 1824 to 1827
 * William Swan Plumer – seminarian 1824 to 1826

The Princeton Order
Records of the original Chi Phi Society were discovered in 1854 by John Maclean, Jr. of the class of 1858. Maclean found the records in his uncle's (also named John Maclean, Jr.) paperwork, who happened to be president of the college at that time. Maclean joined with students Charles Smith DeGraw and Gustavus W. Mayer to form a new Chi Phi Fraternity that was based on some records of the original society but also with many characteristics that differed from the original society. While the Chi Phi Fraternity of today was founded in 1854, the members place great emphasis on the 1824 date because of many aspects that were carried over from the original records discovered in 1854. The names of the founders of the original society of 1824 were not even known to the 1854 founders; however, they were later discovered and published in the book "Princeton" by V.L. Collins in 1914. The Chi Phi Fraternity founded by Maclean was also short-lived. The group existed sub rosa only until 1859 when it was abandoned completely. However, before the Princeton chapter died off, it was able to successfully establish a second chapter at Franklin and Marshall College in Lancaster, Pennsylvania in 1854. The chapter at Franklin and Marshall in turn planted a chapter at Gettysburg College in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania.

The Southern Order
The second Chi Phi Fraternity was founded at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill on August 21, 1858, by five undergraduate students. The Chi Phi Fraternity of the South was also the second exclusively southern Fraternity established before the Civil War and was very successful in planting six chapters before the outbreak of hostilities and nine afterward, but before the merger with the Northern Order. All but the UNC chapter suspended operations as a result of the Civil War.

The founders of the Southern Order were:
 * Rev. Augustus Moore Flythe (1859) – Episcopal deacon and missionary, New Bern, North Carolina
 * Capt. Thomas Capehart, CSA (1861) – Beginning in April 1861, served as a lieutenant in the Bethel Regiment, 1st North Carolina Volunteers (Infantry), commanded by Col. D.H. Hill, afterward a General in the CSA. In early 1862, he then became the captain of Co. C, 3rd Battalion North Carolina Light Artillery. After the Seven Days fight, this organization disbanded on account of the scarcity of horses and equipment and he was commissioned as a captain in Wynn's Cavalry (15th) Battalion, organized for State defense remaining as such until the surrender. He lived the remainder of his life as a wealthy planter in Vance Co., N.C. near the village of Kittrell, where the home he built in 1867 still stands and is listed on the National Register of Historic Places.
 * John Calhoun Tucker (1861) – Served as Private in Co. I (Burt Avengers raised in Hinds Co.), 39th Mississippi Infantry, and died in service on December 28, 1862, near Port Hudson, Louisiana at the age of 23. At the surrender, only seven of his company were reported in service.
 * William Harrison Greene (1882) – Served as a lieutenant in Co. G, 5th Alabama Infantry Regiment assigned to the Rodes Brigade and the Army of Northern Virginia throughout the War. He was wounded in the leg at Sharpsburg, Antietam, Maryland in September 1862. He later became a gentleman farmer at Wayside, Mississippi.
 * Fletcher Terry Seymour, M.D. (1862) – Served as a private in the 6th Tennessee Infantry in 1862. He was honorably discharged on account of ill health and became a merchant and planter at Eurekaton, Tennessee.

Secret Order of Chi Phi
On November 14, 1860, the third independent fraternity to be named Chi Phi was founded at Hobart College, Geneva by twelve men who took the initiatory oath and received a badge. The twelve men later became known throughout Chi Phi as the "Twelve Apostles". The fraternity was officially known as the "Secret Order of Chi Phi" and the first chapter would be called the Upsilon chapter. The Secret Order of Chi Phi at Hobart planted four additional chapters, and then in 1865, negotiations began regarding a merger with the Princeton Order. Negotiations were completed on May 29, 1867, and chapters from both groups united as the Northern Order.

The founders of the Secret Order were:
 * John William Jones (1861)
 * Alexander Johnson Beach (1862)
 * Amos Brunson (1862)
 * George Gallagher Hopkins (1862)
 * Edward Storey Lawson (1862)
 * Samuel Watkins Tuttle (1862)
 * David Saxton Hall, Jr. (1863)
 * David Post Jackson (1863)
 * Harvey Nixon Loomis (1863)
 * William Henry Shepard (1863)
 * William Sutphen (1863)
 * Frank Bradshaw Wilson (1864)

Merger of the North and South
Following the end of the Civil War, on March 27, 1874, the North and South orders officially formed a united organization known as the Chi Phi Fraternity. At the meeting, three members from each order adopted a constitution and by-laws and established a date for the first convention, which was held in Washington, DC on July 23, 1874.

Growth and development
In June 1867, due to the disruption of the American Civil War, a group of Southern students led by Peter Mitchell Wilson, A-A '69, and other students from the States of Louisiana and South Carolina, chartered the Theta chapter of the Southern Order at the University of Edinburgh in Edinburgh, Scotland. This chapter is thought to be the first international and only European chapter of an American college fraternity.

Except for a brief period in 1911, three Chi Phis (Joseph Mackey Brown, John Marshall Slaton, and Nathaniel E. Harris) held the office of governor in the State of Georgia from 1909 to 1917. Brown was vehemently opposed to Slaton's pardon of Leo Frank in 1915 and since he died in 1932, Brown has been implicated as a conspirator in Frank's lynching.

Chi Phi's conservative expansion philosophy that only the old, well-established schools were suitable for a chapter led to the denial of a petition for a charter by a group of students at the University of Richmond in 1901. This group went on to found the Sigma Phi Epsilon fraternity. During the subsequent 53-year period, Sigma Phi Epsilon chartered over 140 chapters, while Chi Phi only chartered fourteen.

Notable members
A man named Jerry Reid, who returned to college in a new major at the age of 68 and subsequently pledged Chi Phi, is possibly the oldest new member ever thus far to join a college fraternity.

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Shors or Shorians (Shor: sg. шор-кижи, shor-kizhi, тадар-кижи, tadar-kizhi, шор, shor, тадар, tadar, pl. шор-кижилер, shor-kizhiler, тадар-кижилер, tadar-kizhiler, шорлар, shorlar, тадарлар, tadarlar) are a Turkic ethnic group native to Kemerovo Oblast of Russia. Their self designation is Шор (tr. Shor). They were also called Kuznetskie Tatars (кузнецкие татары), Kondoma Tatars (кондомские татары), Mras-Su Tatars (мрасские татары) in some of the documents of the 17th and 18th centuries.

Most Shors live in the Tom basin along the Kondoma and Mras-Su Rivers. This region is historically called Mountainous Shoria. The Shors also live in Khakassia and Altai Republic. According to 2002 census, there were 13,975 Shors in Russia (12,601 in 1926, 16,042 in 1939, 14,938 in 1959, 15,950 in 1970, 15,182 in 1979 and 15,745 in 1989). The Shors speak their own Shor language.

Early history
The Shors as a people formed as a result of a long process of intermixing between Turkic, Ugric, Samoyedic, and Ket-speaking tribes. Their culture and origins are similar to those of the northern Altaians and some of the ethnic groups of the Khakas.

An ancient Turkic legend recorded in the Chinese annal (Book of Zhou 周書, 636 CE) mentions the origin of the Göktürks' ancestors from a possession or state named Suǒ (索國; MC: *sak̚-kwək̚), located "north of the Xiongnu country" (which, in this case, apparently meant Mongolia).

The region where the Shors currently reside was Turkicized under the influence of the Yenisei Kyrgyz during the medieval period. The Shors resulted from this ethnic mixing and adopted Turkic speech (the Shor language) as a result. Shor tribes began to become a distinct people around the 8th and 9th centuries AD. The Mongol conquest of the Altai-Sayan region in the 13th century added another layer of cultural influence over the local population and their languages. The region subsequently fell under the influence of the Oirats from the late 14th century to the early 17th century. Although Mongol control of the area was nominal, many of the languages (including Shor) contains significant amounts of Mongol loanwords. The Shors were a valuable asset to the Yenisei Kirghiz and Oirats as suppliers of ironware. Their ability to smelt iron from ore was a feat that only one other indigenous Siberian people (the Yakuts) were able to achieve before the Russian advance into the area.

Early modern history
In the early 17th century, the Shors and their territory were conquered by the Russians. In the 18th century, Russian settlers began to move in to the area. The Shors' niche as producers of ironware for the Oirats, Altaians, and Kyrgyz was soon eroded by the Russian traders. The Russians had more advanced products to offer and this effectively ended Shor blacksmithing. Atop of this, Russian officials subjected the Shors to pay yasak in the form of furs. This resulted in most Shors abandoning their old occupations and villages to move to nearby towns so they can make a better living as hunters. However, they lived in squalid conditions. The use of nettle-fibre or wild hemp for clothing, primitive implements, and techniques continued on towards the 20th century.

Modern history
The Shors were little affected by the Russian Revolution and its civil war until the Bolsheviks took the region in 1920. In 1929, the Shor National Region was formed but was quickly dissolved in 1939. The okrug (district) was disbanded because the Soviet authorities believed its existence might hinder the development of the iron and coal industries in the region. These minerals became important to the state after deposits were discovered in the Kuznetsk Basin in the 1930s. This discovery led to a new wave of Russian settlers and workers to the region which led to the displacement of the Shors. The authorities considered the Shors to be numerically insignificant and that disenfranchising them would inconsequential to the state. The Shors greatly suffered as a result. They were driven out of their farms and villages and forced to work in the coal mines. The population of the Shors declined and the urban Shors struggled with alcoholism, drug addiction, suicide, and high lethal accident rates. Traditional Shor culture began to wane. The liberalization of Soviet rule beginning in the 1980s led to a Shor cultural revival and the establishment of many cultural and linguistic institutions (like the creation of The Association of Shor People in the 1990s). However, the Shors still face many issues. Many Shors do not know their native language and show indifference to their traditional culture. Illness, discrimination, environmental racism, high death rates but low birth rates, drug and alcohol addiction, and the possibility of the Shors being swallowed up by the dominant Russian culture in the near future are issues the modern Shors face.

Christianity
The Shors were originally practitioners of shamanism and animism but were converted to Russian Orthodox Christianity during Russian rule since the early 17th century. Conversions occurred rapidly after the establishment of the Altai Spiritual Mission in the 1830s. Most present Shors are Russian Orthodox Christians.

Shamanism
Despite the conversion of Christianity among the Shors, shamanism has had and still is very important and influential to modern Shor spirituality. Shor Shamanism and its kam (shamans) have suffered persecution since Russian colonization of the region especially from the 17th to 20th centuries. The establishment of the Altai Spiritual Mission in the region resulted in the severe persecution of shamanism and the kam. Christian missionaries routinely lambasted Shor shamanism as being a dark cult and the kam as servants of the devil. There was many forced conversions to Christianity as well. During the soviet era, the authorities frequently designated the kam and others as enemies of the state and sentenced them to camps or even death. Graves, drums, ritual clothing, and more were burned or desecrated during this period. Shor shamanism saw a revival starting in the late 1980s and is considered a vital part of modern Shor identity.

Economy
The Shors were mainly engaged in hunting, fishing, some primitive farming, and pine nut picking. Blacksmithing and iron ore mining and melting were also important (hence, the name "Blacksmithing Tatars"). The lifestyle of the Shors changed significantly following the October Revolution of 1917. Most became farmers, cattle-breeders, or industrial workers.

Family and clan structure
The Shors were able to retain much of their ancient clan structure over the years. Each clan was traditionally led by a chief. Chiefs were elected in large clan gatherings. At such gatherings important decisions, conflicts, and other issues were settled. Features of their society included matrilocal marriages, exogamy, a classisfactory system of kinship terms, and the belief in certain taboos that revolve around the former. Clans routinely organized communal hunts and shared the spoils equally among themselves. However, this clan system eroded beginning in the mid-nineteenth century under the Russian influence of separating families into individual units. A family now relied on a money economy and this soon resulted in wealth disparity and differentiation in Shor society.

Environment
Environmental activist Alexander Arbachakov won a Whitley Award for his work preserving sustainable communities in Shor territory. The coal, iron, gold, and timber resources of the region are extracted by companies that show little regard to the Shors and the environment of the area. The Shors receive no direct financial benefits for the extraction of these minerals on their land. This has made some Shor feel ignored as minerals are often taken from places the Shors consider sacred.

Music
Throat-singing is an ancient and traditional form of music in Shor culture. Epic stories about heroes and deities are popular and often accompanied by singing and the use of a kai-komus (two-stringed wooden instrument).

Education
The first educational institution for the Shors was a missionary school that was established in the village of Kuzedevo around 1860. After 1867, the most talented graduates had the chance to continue their education at the College of Catechism in Kazan. However, the literacy rates of the Shors remained very low. The Soviet administration opened ten schools and a children's home in 1921–22 in the village of Kabyrza. Within ten years, the number of schools in the region increased. Libraries and clubs were opened to abolish illiteracy. By 1932, a college to train teachers had 300 students including 70 native Shor speakers. By 1936, 114 schools (100 primary and 14 secondary) existed in the area. The use of Shor in the 1920s and the rising educational standards of the Shors led to an intellectual growth of the people, including skilled artisans teachers, and those with medical and technical qualifications. Shor writers, journalists and clerks became prominent in what had previously been a largely illiterate society for the first time. Shor intellectual culture began to decline after the dissolution of the Shor National Region in 1939 and the removal of Shor as a language of instruction in schools in 1943. The teacher's college was closed while Shor intellectuals were repressed or killed fighting in the Great Patriotic War. The post-war period proved stagnant for Shor intellectual culture. The resurgence of the Shor identity beginning in the 1980s has led to a revival in traditional Shor culture and the establishment of new educational programs for native teachers, students, and the younger generation.

Creation myth
The universe was originally empty until the god Ul'gen created the three skies. He placed his son Paktan in the lowest sky. He then placed a spirit called Keikush in the middle sky while he and his wife Chaasin lived in the upper sky. Ul'gen's younger brother, Erlik, decided to create things himself. Erlik created the mountains, birds, and other animals. Meanwhile, Ul'gen created man but didn't know to make human souls and as a result the man he created was nothing more than a lifeless husk. He then set out on a journey in search of a soul and left a hairless dog to protect man in his absence. Erlik saw his chance and made his way to the man. The dog refused to let him pass but Erlik made a deal with the dog. If the dog lets him pass, he'll give him fur. Erlik passed and the dog's body grew fur. Erlik proceeded towards the lifeless man, spat on him, rubbed dirt on him, and left.

Ul'gen returned with his aim failed and saw the condition of the man and dog. The dog revealed what happened and Ul'gen wondered whether Erlik knew how to create souls. He summoned Erlik and he replied that he knew how to create souls. With no other options, Ul'gen agreed that Erlik would create the soul of man if he can have their souls. However, the body of man would belong to Ul'gen. Erlik used a tube made out of a hollow angelica stem and placed the tube in man's mouth. Erlik blew the soul through the tube and into man's body. Ul'gen soon wanted to banish Erlik from Earth but Erlik pleaded to Ul'gen to give him a corner of land for him to live in. Ul'gen raised his staff and a hole opened up where it was resting. Snakes, insects, and other creatures crawled out onto the Earth and Erlik climbed down the hole to the underworld.

The worldview of the Shors
The Shors traditionally believed that the universe was divided into three levels which were:

 * The Heavenly Realm (Ul'gen Cheri): Realm of the god Ul'gen. This world is further divided into nine "skies" (see below for more information).
 * The Middle Earth (Ortinda or Pistin Cheri): Our physical world. Said to be flat with the Pistag (or Mustag) Mountain lying at its center.
 * The Underworld (Aina Cheri): Realm of the god Erlik and his minions.

All these realms were said to be populated by spirits, humans, animals, and other creatures. The three worlds were linked via the axis of the World Tree or Mountain. The top of the World Tree housed the Heavenly Realm whilst its trunk passed through the Middle Earth and its roots reached down to the Underworld. The World Mountain was divided similarly with its peak connected to the Upper World and the foot of the mountain to the Earth.

Divisions of the Heavenly Realm
The Heavenly realm is further divided into nine "skies". By ascending order these include:

 * 1) The Yellow Sky (keshkan): Realm of lightning.
 * 2) The Blue Belt (kok kur): Realm of the blue portion of the rainbow.
 * 3) The Red Belt (kizil kur): Realm of the red part of the rainbow.
 * 4) The Grey Belt (kir kur): Realm of the Grey portion of the rainbow.
 * 5) The Indigo Belt (kektamosh-kur): Realm of the "blue" (indigo) part of the rainbow.
 * 6) The Red Sky (kizil tegri): Realm where the mysterious "red women" are said to live.
 * 7) Realm of the moon and stars.
 * 8) Realm of the sun.
 * 9) Personal realm of Ul'gen. This realm is always lit, warm, and full of life. Vegetation never dies and there's always a plethora of cattle and animals. It's also described as a place where the bodies of the dead never decay.

Spirits and deities
Traditional Shor mythology boasts a range of deities and spirits. Some of these include:

 * Ul'gen: The god of the Heavenly Realm. Ul'gen is able to grant people anything when addressed through the kamlanie (shamanic ritual).
 * Chaashin (or Solton): Ul'gen's wife.
 * Paktan: Ul'gen's son.
 * Erlik: The god of the underworld.
 * Aina: Sinister spirits that dwelled in the underworld and were helpers of Erlik. They were said to be able to steal a person's kut (spirit).
 * Ker palyk: A powerful ancient fish that lives in a lake located at the foot of Pistag/Mustag Mountain.
 * Ak pozat: A white majestic horse belonging to Ul'gen. Lightning is said to be the whip of Ul'gen as he rides ak pozat.
 * Che ezi (master spirit of the place): Spirits that dwell in our world in specific locales like mountains, rivers or forests. They are protective spirits that must be respected when entering their domain. There are many elemental forms of che ezi depending on their dwelling place. Some types also reside in the Heavenly Realm.
 * Samchi: A che ezi that lives in the Yellow Sky. He lives in the middle of this sky with his family in a home similar to that of humans.

Other popular deities the Shors recognized (along with other Turkic peoples) included:

 * Tengri: The ancient Central Asian god of the sky. Shor clan elders led the Prayer to the Sky while the shamans rarely did.
 * Cher-Sug (Earth-Water): Deity that rules over the earth spirits and guardians of the mountains, forests, rocks, and rivers.
 * Umay: Goddess of fertility and birth. For the Shors, she was the guardian of newborns, children, mothers, and the spirit guide for the deceased.

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This is Daniel Cook.

This is Daniel Cook. is a Canadian children's television series created by J. J. Johnson and Blair Powers and produced by Toronto's Marblemedia and Sinking Ship Productions in association with Treehouse TV and TVO. It is shown in Canada on Treehouse TV, TVOKids, Access, Knowledge Network, and SCN. The series also aired on the Disney Channel in the United States, in between programs in the mid-to-late 2000s. Qubo aired the show as a full 30-minute program. The series also aired on Disney in Japan, E-Junior in the United Arab Emirates and on ABC2 (in Australia).

The show is about a 7-year-old boy (age 7 to 8 in the first seasons but age 9 in the second season) named Daniel Cook who learns new things and shares his experiences and adventures with other kids. For example, he learns about taekwondo, gymnastics, and animals. He also visits a fire station, a YMCA, and more. The show was filmed in Toronto, Ontario, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and Walt Disney World in Orlando, Florida. Every episode is six minutes long, while the half-hour shows consist of five six-minute episodes. The series has been sold by Distribution360 to over eighty-five countries worldwide, and dubbed into fourteen languages.

The series has also launched a six-volume book series distributed by Kids Can Press and produced by marblemedia. Five DVDs have also been released featuring episodes from the series.

There is another television series that complements This is Daniel Cook. called This is Emily Yeung. It premiered on Treehouse TV in September 2006. Another follow-up called This is Scarlett and Isaiah., It premiered on Treehouse TV in September 2013.

Production was completed in April 2006.

Season 1

 * 1) This is Daniel Cook drawing a dragon.
 * 2) This is Daniel Cook at the market.
 * 3) This is Daniel Cook feeding giraffes.
 * 4) This is Daniel Cook building a sidewalk.
 * 5) This is Daniel Cook learning Tae Kwon Do.
 * 6) This is Daniel Cook making plasticine art.
 * 7) This is Daniel Cook doing gymnastics.
 * 8) This is Daniel Cook at the zoo.
 * 9) This is Daniel Cook learning yo-yo tricks.
 * 10) This is Daniel Cook tasting new fruits.
 * 11) This is Daniel Cook creating a story.
 * 12) This is Daniel Cook with the Famous People Players.
 * 13) This is Daniel Cook in a rainforest.
 * 14) This is Daniel Cook lawn bowling.
 * 15) This is Daniel Cook making chocolates.
 * 16) This is Daniel Cook painting a giraffe.
 * 17) This is Daniel Cook at the library.
 * 18) This is Daniel Cook training a puppy.
 * 19) This is Daniel Cook exercising.
 * 20) This is Daniel Cook making ice cream.
 * 21) This is Daniel Cook doing magic.
 * 22) This is Daniel Cook at the Science Centre.
 * 23) This is Daniel Cook at a pool.
 * 24) This is Daniel Cook hiking.
 * 25) This is Daniel Cook making an apple pie.
 * 26) This is Daniel Cook playing drums.
 * 27) This is Daniel Cook at the fire station.
 * 28) This is Daniel Cook learning about ponds.
 * 29) This is Daniel Cook learning about electricity.
 * 30) This is Daniel Cook doing ballet.
 * 31) This is Daniel Cook making paper.
 * 32) This is Daniel Cook at the farm.
 * 33) This is Daniel Cook composting.
 * 34) This is Daniel Cook learning to breakdance.
 * 35) This is Daniel Cook making cookies.
 * 36) This is Daniel Cook taking pictures.
 * 37) This is Daniel Cook learning about Egypt.
 * 38) This is Daniel Cook learning to milk a cow.
 * 39) This is Daniel Cook tap dancing.
 * 40) This is Daniel Cook learning to fly a plane.
 * 41) This is Daniel Cook making a clay dragon.
 * 42) This is Daniel Cook at Medieval Times.
 * 43) This is Daniel Cook learning about dinosaurs.
 * 44) This is Daniel Cook canoeing.
 * 45) This is Daniel Cook making pizza.
 * 46) This is Daniel Cook learning about poetry.
 * 47) This is Daniel Cook at the police station.
 * 48) This is Daniel Cook riding a horse.
 * 49) This is Daniel Cook at the dentist.
 * 50) This is Daniel Cook making a gingerbread house.
 * 51) This is Daniel Cook making a book.
 * 52) This is Daniel Cook at the art gallery.
 * 53) This is Daniel Cook learning about beekeeping.
 * 54) This is Daniel Cook busking.
 * 55) This is Daniel Cook learning to figure skate.
 * 56) This is Daniel Cook clowning.
 * 57) This is Daniel Cook learning about trains.
 * 58) This is Daniel Cook learning about raptors.
 * 59) This is Daniel Cook visiting a doctor.
 * 60) This is Daniel Cook rock climbing.
 * 61) This is Daniel Cook making his show.
 * 62) This is Daniel Cook at a street festival.
 * 63) This is Daniel Cook with the Earth Rangers.
 * 64) This is Daniel Cook bowling.
 * 65) This is Daniel Cook on a tall ship.

Season 2

 * 1) This is Daniel Cook dog sledding.
 * 2) This is Daniel Cook making maple syrup.
 * 3) This is Daniel Cook downhill skiing.
 * 4) This is Daniel Cook tobogganing.
 * 5) This is Daniel Cook at a winter festival.
 * 6) This is Daniel Cook baking a birthday cake.
 * 7) This is Daniel Cook curling.
 * 8) This is Daniel Cook building a road.
 * 9) This is Daniel Cook getting an eye exam.
 * 10) This is Daniel Cook carving a pumpkin.
 * 11) This is Daniel Cook trick-or-treating.
 * 12) This is Daniel Cook making felt art.
 * 13) This is Daniel Cook learning to conduct.
 * 14) This is Daniel Cook painting with watercolours.
 * 15) This is Daniel Cook with a veterinarian.
 * 16) This is Daniel Cook setting up an aquarium.
 * 17) This is Daniel Cook making a Valentine's Day card.
 * 18) This is Daniel Cook learning about the desert.
 * 19) This is Daniel Cook decorating eggs.
 * 20) This is Daniel Cook making a birdhouse.
 * 21) This is Daniel Cook making a self-portrait.
 * 22) This is Daniel Cook at a recycling plant.
 * 23) This is Daniel Cook go-carting.
 * 24) This is Daniel Cook creating a paper mache monster.
 * 25) This is Daniel Cook writing a song.
 * 26) This is Daniel Cook learning about dog guides.
 * 27) This is Daniel Cook making an animal totem.
 * 28) This is Daniel Cook making a puppet.
 * 29) This is Daniel Cook creating stop motion animation.
 * 30) This is Daniel Cook making a holiday ornament.
 * 31) This is Daniel Cook in a marching band.
 * 32) This is Daniel Cook making candy canes.
 * 33) This is Daniel Cook making soap.
 * 34) This is Daniel Cook meeting an elephant.
 * 35) This is Daniel Cook on a safari.
 * 36) This is Daniel Cook trying new vegetables.
 * 37) This is Daniel Cook playing baseball.
 * 38) This is Daniel Cook learning about butterflies.
 * 39) This is Daniel Cook learning about whales.
 * 40) This is Daniel Cook in a helicopter.
 * 41) This is Daniel Cook at a waterfall.
 * 42) This is Daniel Cook with a zookeeper.
 * 43) This is Daniel Cook drawing a turtle.
 * 44) This is Daniel Cook building a robot.
 * 45) This is Daniel Cook singing jazz.
 * 46) This is Daniel Cook making a Yule log.
 * 47) This is Daniel Cook disco dancing.
 * 48) This is Daniel Cook at a water park.
 * 49) This is Daniel Cook riding in a hot air balloon.
 * 50) This is Daniel Cook inventing a toy.
 * 51) This is Daniel Cook learning yoga.
 * 52) This is Daniel Cook digging for dinosaur bones.
 * 53) This is Daniel Cook camping.
 * 54) This is Daniel Cook exploring a cave.
 * 55) This is Daniel Cook on an Eco Adventure.
 * 56) This is Daniel Cook learning about visual effects.
 * 57) This is Daniel Cook learning about space.
 * 58) This is Daniel Cook at the airport.
 * 59) This is Daniel Cook fishing.
 * 60) This is Daniel Cook whale watching.
 * 61) This is Daniel Cook exploring a beach.
 * 62) This is Daniel Cook studying rocks.
 * 63) This is Daniel Cook on a roller coaster.
 * 64) This is Daniel Cook at a theme park.
 * 65) This is Daniel Cook learning about stunts.
 * 66) This is Daniel Cook learning about fish.

Soundtrack
In early 2007, The Children's Group released a soundtrack of This is Daniel Cook. on CD, which was called Here We Are!. It features the show's theme and the music used.

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