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Talk:Hematopoietic stem cell transplantation

Chronological Error
The article says research was performed at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center from the 1950s through the 1970s. But the FHCRC did not exist until 1976. E. Donnall Thomas was affiliated with the precursor foundation. According to Wikipedia's own page on FHCRC. Dandante (talk) 07:43, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Risks to donor
How does the donor feel after donating? Any side-effects to Donor? Any scars or hints or surgery to donor? Weakness??

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.175.105.145 (talk) 23:52, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

BMT article history
Older versions of this article (prior to having it's title changed from BMT to HSCT) can be viewed on the old BMT history page. Mfero 16:31, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Ouch! That is not the preferred way to do it... I'll see if I can get an admin to merge the histories. // habj 09:27, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Page historied merged by AzaToth. // habj 21:18, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism? I took out the words "don't read this if you want to live..." from the "Types of donors" section while I was reading this page. 74.12.210.220 23:58, 3 May 2007 (UTC) A wikipedia reader

There seems to be a potentially false claim about the 1st marrow transplant. Here it says the first known transplant was performed in '57 by E.D. Thomas, not Mathé in '59. Killing time - till it retaliates. (talk) 08:26, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

BMT article title
I've expanded most of the sections on the Bone Marrow Transplant page. My apologies if I messed anything up.

I'd like to know if anyone has an opinion about moving the page to "Hematopoietic Stem Cell Transplant"? "Bone mone marrow transplant" would then be a redirect. Even though HSCT is more modern and accurate than BMT for the topic it is still a little more awkward. Also there are a huge number of links to this page and probably many of them should be changed.Mfero

 * No, keep it here. Most lay readers will not have a clue what a haematopoeitic stem cell is, and the fine distinctions between BMT and HSCT. Just redirect HSCT here. JFW | T@lk  06:48, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I totally agree with the first guy, that this article really should be titled HSCT, with a redirect from the bone marrow transplant title to HSCT main page. Very few patients get bone marrow transplants anymore, since peripheral blood stem cell transplants are safer and more effective...I think I'm going to do it tonight, since this doesn't seem like a very active concern--64.166.186.217 23:33, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I'd be fine with moving it - this comes up a lot: whether to use the more medically exact and correct term, or the one more likely to be recognizable to a wide audience. I think moving the page to HSCT, and leaving "bone marrow transplant" as a redirect would be fine. To quibble, stem cells are more effective for a lot of indications, but in conditions where graft-vs.-tumor is not a consideration (eg aplastics), bone marrow is still a preferred source. MastCell 23:46, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi--I moved and updated the BMT page to the HSCT page, updated links and talk page. Someone had to move HSCT into the 1990s! I think MastCell is correct about the preference for BMT in AA, and that's an excellent point that somehow should be inserted in the mainpage. I will verify this with my friendly neighborhood transplanter.--Dr.michael.benjamin 06:55, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Merge with 'Stem Cell Transplant'?
This page currently has a large disclaimer stating that it has been suggested to merge it with the article entitled Stem cell transplantation. The latter article is not a really a new article but is derived from the | Bone marrow transplant article that I contributed to several years ago. The biggest change seems to be the photograph showing bone marrow being aspirated in the operating room.

IMO the current (HSCT) article is has become messy. I don't mind the aspiration photo on the SCT page but it should be made clear that this refers to the older method of harvesting marrow under anesthesia as opposed to a peripheral blood stem cell harvest. I suppose the real question is whether this the name of this article should be renamed from 'Hematopoietic Stem Cell Transplantation' to simply 'Stem Cell Transplantation'. Even though I think the Stem Cell Transplant version looks better I would argue that the name should not be changed. The reason is that the term stem cell transplant could, in theory, refer to organs other than the blood and bone marrow and is not specific enough for this article.

Thus I would be in favor of the following: 1. Keep Hematopoeitic Stem Cell Transplantation as the primary article. 2. Adopt the text (and photo) from 'Stem Cell Transplant' --or at least clean up the current version of HSCT. 3. Delete the (redundant) 'Stem Cell Transplantation' page. 4. Make 'Stem Cell Transplantation' redirect here.

Any thoughts? --Mfero 00:43, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

 * I just got the SHOCK - I was editting this page yesterday and never noticed the "merge" suggestion, and there it is, the mirror page. I definitely agree that it should be sone, and the re-direct solves any issue of technical correctness or popularity for readers. But have the technical difficulties prevented the merge all these months? I take it that there is no wiki tool to accomplish this. If consensus exists already, I would try maybe at the weekend (if the tax returns dont get in the way) - any volunteers to assist in proofreading?io_editor (talk) 02:05, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

HSCT/BMT should stand alone. The field developed in a very specific manner, and its history and unique characteristics should be preserved 141.106.78.144 (talk) 21:01, 23 May 2008 (UTC)Rimas

Conditions treated with BMT
Myelodysplasia is a common indication for allogeneic transplants in adults, second only to AML in terms of frequency. The risk/benefit ratio depends on the age of the patient, donor availability, features indicating a high risk of transformation to AML, and the expertise level of the transplant center. Mfero 20:59, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

General anesthetic?
"In the case of a bone marrow transplant (BMT), the HSC are removed from a large bone of the donor, typically the pelvis, through a large needle that reaches the center of the bone. The technique is referred as a bone marrow harvest and is performed with general anesthesia because literally hundreds of insertions of the needle are required to obtain sufficient material."

I thought this was actually done under a local, which would explain why people say that donating bone marrow is extremely painful. Can someone clear this up for me? --El Zilcho 17:18, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Bone marrow harvests are generally done in the operating room under general anesthesia. On the other hand, a stem cell transplant can be also done through a peripheral blood collection of stem cells (after the bone marrow has been stimulated with medication).  Andrew73 19:32, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Forensic Post
ChristineD, please site a credible reference for your last edit. A fictional one will not suffice as an accurate source. Ktinga

 * Agreed... I've heard of this happening on, say, Law and Order, but I'm not aware of any real-life cases. If one could be cited, then by all means let's include it. Until then, I think describing it as an "eventuality" is a little inappropriate. MastCell 21:47, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

 * [Mammalian Red Blood] Do not have DNA or a nucleus so it appears to be fiction. Ktinga 16:13 17 Oct 2006 (UTC)

 * To be fair, after a transplant all cellular elements of the blood are replaced by donor cells, including the white cells, which contain DNA and are presumably the substrate for forensic DNA testing. MastCell 18:16, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

The fictional reference wasn't intended as a source, just as an example (could do a section BMT in literature?). I read an article in a newspaper (but I have no memory of where or when) in which a real life police person said this was a real problem. That was the basis for including this section. I hoped that once it was out there the reference could be added by someone who knows more.

Anyway I've looked it up on Pub med now and the abstract for this article (What do the X and Y chromosomes tell us about sex and gender in forensic case analysis?) mentions it ('Problems may arise not only from false detection (or non-detection) of amelogenin-specific fragments, but also in cases of chimerism (bone marrow transplants) or micro chimerism (pregnant women carrying male fetuses)...'). I don't have online access to the papers from home to find an original source for this particular question, however, I will see to it soonest and then revert

 * but I'm not aware of any real-life cases

I think the idea of thinking about eventualites is so that it doesn't happen in real life. This is a real issue but hopefully by increasing awareness of it, any real life cases can be resolved quickly and not end up reported in the media as a miscarriage of justice. ChristineD 21:06, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Autologous as its own section?
Just wondering. The side effects of autologous and allogeneic stem cell transplantation are reasonably different. This is intimated in the paragraph about autologous transplant but I'm wondering if this neds to be clarified, say after the section on allogeneic stem cell complications.. ie. indications, method, outcomes and complications for autologous so that readers don't get them confused? Markjohndaley 14:43, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

 * I think that's a good suggestion. Feel free to go for it; I've been meaning to work on this page for awhile but not sure when I'll get around to it. MastCell Talk 16:22, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

 * I agree. Autologous SCT has sufficiently different indications, processes and results (side effects etc.) from Allogenic to warrant its own section (if not its own full blown page). Go for it. Lorangriel 16:25, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree it needs its own section. I noticed that syngeneic stem cell transplant was left out. It is a rare stem cell transplant involving a twin sibling donor but it is very important to also include it. Gina2009 (talk) 23:43, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

History
The article lacks a history section. When was the first bone marrow transplant performed, etc. // habj 06:03, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I came to this page looking for a history and I can't find it. 11 years later and still no history?

Historymerge
History merge completed! → Aza Toth 18:33, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Who can donate?
There could be a section on what conditions are prohibitive in marrow donors. For example, I think the British NHS does not accept donors with rheumatic conditions e.g. lupus, rheumatoid arthritis etc. 212.179.71.70 (talk) 08:48, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

 * While there are some absolute barriers to donation, which vary from organization to organization, most cases are a bit more fluid. The decision about whether to use a donor with certain health conditions may be individualized to take into account the known risks to the donor and recipient as well as the seriousness of the donor's condition and how serious and immediate the need for a transplant is, as well as the availability of alternate donors or stem cell sources. That said, any sourced info you can dig up would be useful to add. MastCell Talk 20:27, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I believe in the US homosexuals or MSM are barred from donating, anyone know if this is true? How about other countries? 98.28.114.174 (talk) 01:55, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

 * The rules on this issue depend upon the register. For instance, the Anthony Nolan register in the UK does not impose this bar but instead excludes people if they "are involved in high-risk sexual practices that may increase [their] exposure to sexually-transmitted diseases."  The definition of high-risk sexual practices is left up to the donor's best judgement, since these may vary widely whether the donor is homosexual or heterosexual.  In the USA, there are a number of different registries, and I don't know the rules for all of them, but the largest (the NMDP) excludes men who've had sex with men in the past five years.Procrastinator supreme (talk) 16:40, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Someone was trying to say something
In graft v tumor effect, someone was trying to say something, and it came out wrong: "This lower rate of relapse accounts for the increased success rate of allogeneic transplants compared to transplants from identical twins, and indicates that allogeneic HSCT is a form of immunotherapy." Am referring mainly to fist clause, did they mean HLA-mis-matched v HLA-matched allogeneics? And where is the source?? New to me....io_editor (talk) 02:32, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

 * If you compare syngeneic transplants (that is, from one identical twin to another) with allogeneic transplants (between HLA-matched or mismatched individuals), the allogeneics will have lower relapse rates (of course, they'll also get GVHD). This difference in relapse rates between syngeneic and allogeneic transplants was one of the main pieces of clinical evidence for the existence of an immunologic graft-vs.-tumor effect. Does that make sense? It needs to be written more clearly. This article has been on my list for awhile; hopefully I can help out on it soon. MastCell Talk 04:49, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Well, my brain registered just siblings, not identical twins, when the comparator wasn't autologous. There must be on the order of 100-300 per year of such HSCTs worldwide. Funny ordering of logic (general plus the obscure) but all is correct, so am inclined to leave it. Actually I think this is a great WikiMed page (although it could have a dozen more cites) - simply because it manages to avoid going off-tangent, except for such interesting details.io_editor (talk) 01:03, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Indications
It doesnt really work that Indications is up the page, and that this is down the page. Suggestions? Cant think of any, other than to move the list up, even if that means removing some prose. Will leave it alone for now.io_editor (talk) 02:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Merge with 'Stem Cell Transplant'? (proposal copied from above)
This page currently has a large disclaimer stating that it has been suggested to merge it with the article entitled Stem cell transplantation. The latter article is not a really a new article but is derived from the | Bone marrow transplant article that I contributed to several years ago. The biggest change seems to be the photograph showing bone marrow being aspirated in the operating room.

IMO the current (HSCT) article is has become messy. I don't mind the aspiration photo on the SCT page but it should be made clear that this refers to the older method of harvesting marrow under anesthesia as opposed to a peripheral blood stem cell harvest. I suppose the real question is whether this the name of this article should be renamed from 'Hematopoietic Stem Cell Transplantation' to simply 'Stem Cell Transplantation'. Even though I think the Stem Cell Transplant version looks better I would argue that the name should not be changed. The reason is that the term stem cell transplant could, in theory, refer to organs other than the blood and bone marrow and is not specific enough for this article.

Thus I would be in favor of the following: 1. Keep Hematopoeitic Stem Cell Transplantation as the primary article. 2. Adopt the text (and photo) from 'Stem Cell Transplant' --or at least clean up the current version of HSCT. 3. Delete the (redundant) 'Stem Cell Transplantation' page. 4. Make 'Stem Cell Transplantation' redirect here.

Any thoughts? --Mfero 00:43, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Many months later, its time to do it, exactly as was suggested above. Step 2 is done, and Steps 1, 3 and 4 can be done now. Bone marrow transplantation would remain separate. I assume an Admin is needed to formalize.io_editor (talk) 16:55, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Risks to donor
How does the donor feel after donating? Any side-effects to Donor? Any scars or hints or surgery to donor? Weakness??

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.175.105.145 (talk) 23:51, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Syngeneic Stem Cell Transplant
Please consider adding Syngeneic Stem Cell Transplant as it is part of a stem cell transplantation type in which a twin sibling is a donor and there is no graft versus host disease. I don't understand why it was left out. It is a rare procedure, but it is part of the SCT process for those who are lucky enough to have a twin sibling.

Gina2009 (talk) 23:41, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Good point. I have added it. You are of course welcome to add to or edit what I have written. That's what Wikipedia is about - if you think something is wrong or missing, you can put it right! Rachel Pearce (talk) 15:54, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Proposed Redirect
Can autologous bone marrow transplant and autologous bone marrow be redirected to the sub title autologous in the section graft types. It would get those two links out of the cancer dictionary I am trying to prune of links. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seb1l (talk • contribs) 21:51, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

HIV cure
This looks like a good reference to add: http://bloodjournal.hematologylibrary.org/cgi/content/abstract/blood-2010-09-309591v1 ThanAngell (talk) 22:59, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

 * I'm a bit troubled by the weight given to the HIV case in this article. This is certainly an exciting and encouraging development, especially for the patient, but seems to be of inappropriate length, tone and placement in a stem cell article in a general encyclopaedia.
 * First, this is an anecdote. The level of coverage in popular and scientific sources probably justifies its inclusion somewhere in the article, but we can't lose sight of the anecdotal nature of the evidence (see MEDRS).
 * The patient's name should be removed. Although it has been disclosed in several sources, it doesn't add anything to this article and may be a bit blp-ish.
 * The "cure" wording should be toned down. Talk of a cure is probably premature. Although the researchers themselves and numerous commentators have made the case for using this language, other scientists caution that HIV has numerous hiding places in the body, making it impossible to prove that the patient has been cured. Some interesting data have been reported, but without confirmation in other cases, this can't command much space in an encyclopaedia.
 * The section should be moved elsewhere in the article. Stem cell transplants are not "indicated" for HIV, not by Huetter et al and not by any other authorities. This was a unique case in which the need to treat leukaemia outweighed the life-threatening risks involved in the procedure.
 * I'm going to go ahead and make some changes, but if others feel strongly about the current version, I'm of course ready to discuss. Keepcalmandcarryon (talk) 20:58, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Diagram request
A diagram could help this article, but is beyond my talents. Ideally, I feel it should convey something similar to the information carried in the top image or two from here: http://www.netterimages.com/images/vpv/000/000/005/5836-0550x0475.jpg - Demonstrating autologous vs allogeneic transplantation - Demonstrating that haematopoietic stem cells are infused into the recipient's bloodstream, and then embed themselves in the bone marrow - Possibly also demonstrating the three possible allogeneic sources (PBSCs, bone marrow aspirate, cord blood stem cells), although this runs the risk of making the image a little crowded.Procrastinator supreme (talk) 20:29, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Updating defibrotide information
Hi. This is my first time discussing any kind of edit on Wikipedia, so maybe a more experienced editor can help me. It appears that the section on VOD does not contain updated information with regard to defibrotide. Defibrotide does reduce the severity of VOD, yes, but it also reduces the incidence of VOD full-stop, among other benefits. (Corbacioglu, Lancet 2012). Do I just type my suggested edits in the main page? Thanks. Emanresuymsti. Emanresuymsti (talk) 10:26, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * By all means, although if you have a reputable citation to give that would back the statement up, it would be ideal if you could include that. Apologies for the late reply.Procrastinator supreme (talk) 21:45, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You can go ahead and edit the page, by all means. Go ahead and write up a mention in whatever part of our article you think makes sense. To add a citation to the Lancet paper, you can cut-and-paste the following:  where you want the reference to appear. That will generate a footnote and citation. It's not very intuitive, but don't be afraid if it doesn't come out right... someone will come along and help fix it. I'll probably go ahead and add the article myself once I have to time look at it. You may want to make clear that it deals excluively with a pediatric population. MastCell Talk 05:12, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Review series in Blood
10.1182/blood-2014-05-566679 - total of 5 articles JFW | T@lk  12:20, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Blood type change
According to the CDC ( http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/dba/stem.html ): "The person’s blood type will actually change to that of the donor." 208.103.112.69 (talk) 13:35, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Unknown which term is used here, when they write about the blood type. Is not specified, it AB0 system. —Fnaq (talk) 09:27, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

History: isn't lymphoma a type of cancer?
"The first physician to perform a successful human bone marrow transplant on a disease other than cancer was Robert A. Good at the University of Minnesota in 1968.[42] In 1975, John Kersey, M.D., also of the University of Minnesota, performed the first successful bone marrow transplant to cure lymphoma. His patient, a 16-year-old-boy, is today the longest-living lymphoma transplant survivor.[43]"

Isn't lymphoma a type of cancer? Am I missing something here? IAmNitpicking (talk) 18:42, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

WikiPolicy question: links to members-only sites
The most recent (as I write this) change is to link to the Annual Report of the World Marrow Donors Assocation. Unfortunately it can't be used without logging in. Is that a valid reference for a Wikipedia article? Honest question, I do not know the policy. IAmNitpicking (talk) 14:59, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

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Why "Other autoimmune neurological diseases" section?
The Medical uses section already mentions that autoimmune diseases like multiple sclerosis can potentially be treated with HSCT. Could the diseases mentioned later on be added to that bullet point or removed? 2600:1002:B01E:5A8C:0:4C:8EB1:2401 (talk) 08:48, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

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Haploidentical
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The result of the debate was delete. Sjakkalle (Check!)  08:57, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Clayton brown
Vanity page, hoax. Being edited by several anon editors, one of whom removed {explain-significance}. --bainer (talk) 02:01, 11 July 2005 (UTC) delete, what kind of ibanking does he do if he has time to write this nonsense... lots of issues | leave me a message 02:44, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete vanity page. Jaxl 02:48, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Vanity. Obviously not very important with the 'b' of 'brown' not being capitalised. DarthVader 02:56, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * delete 'He also introduced a completely new usage of the profanity fuck, using "fucked" as a synonym for "messed up.' Gosh i always wondered who did that. absolute nonsense.--Porturology 03:48, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, good point, DarthVader. and i thought i was the one who coined the phrase! ugh! -mysekurity 05:39, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete non notable vanity. JamesBurns 09:14, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete utter vanity with picture included. --Etacar11 23:50, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was Delete --Allen3 talk 00:12, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

Macro project
By Richard B. Cathcart (thank you for getting an Id, please remember to Log in when you edit). I would call this original research but there isn't any. When you strip off the pretentious language all you are left with is "very large civil engineering projects can have ecological impacts". -- RHaworth 02:02, 2005 July 11 (UTC)

 * Delete - not orig research, just blather. Vsmith 03:01, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete bloviation, POV lacking a P. -EDM 04:25, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as per above. Also, Wikipedia is not a place for discussion of future events (I think it's in what Wikipedia is not or something). -mysekurity 05:41, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

 * "MACRO-ENGINEERING" should be a separate entry in Wikipedia. "Bloviation" is in the sight of the beholder...commenter above is ignorant of the topic.  Surely, the fist paragraph "WORD HISTORY" has some value to Wikipedia's users?  After the first paragraphy I simply wished to expound on the topic to inform the uninformed. RBC.
 * RBC has: failed to follow my advice to log in, has failed to indicate whether he is voting to keep or delete, has failed to sign his comment and seems to have forgotten that he has already created macro-engineering (without the horrible capitals). The latter article is almost as bad as macro project - he could not even manage to link it to Candida Oancea Institute - but I will let soneone else put it up for VfD, I think I have been cruel enough to RBC for this month. (To RBC and EDM - what does "bloviation" mean it is not in wikipedia nor in wiktionary.) -- RHaworth 10:43, 2005 July 15 (UTC)
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Chihiro

Chihiro (ちひろ, チヒロ,千尋) is a female and male Japanese given name.

Possible writings
Chihiro can be written using various kanji, which can alter the name's meaning: The name can also be rendered in hiragana and katakana as ちひろ and チヒロ respectively.
 * 千尋, "thousand fathoms"
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People with the name

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 * Chihiro Usui (碓井千紘), member of RayGlanZ in the game Readyyy! Project
 * Chihiro Rokuhira (六平チヒロ), main character in Kagurabachi
 * Chihiro Kagami (各務 チヒロ), a character from the role-playing game Blue Archive

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 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Sjakkalle (Check!)  09:00, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Hiltyfied.org
Not notable website. Aaron Brenneman 02:06, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable. DarthVader 02:57, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Dcarrano 02:58, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn, (per above, I guess) -mysekurity 05:40, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. substub. - Mgm|(talk) 09:55, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Non-notable, promotion, deletion. —Tokek 18:31, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
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Baihao Yinzhen

Baihao Yinzhen (pronounced ), also known as White Hair Silver Needle, is a white tea produced in Fujian Province in China. Amongst white teas, this is the most expensive variety and the most prized, as only top buds (leaf shoot) of the Camellia sinensis plant are used to produce the tea. Genuine Silver Needles are made from cultivars of the Da Bai (Large White) tea tree family. There are other productions that look similar with downy leaf shoots but most are green teas, and as green teas, they taste differently and have a different biochemical potency than the genuine white tea Silver Needle. It is commonly included among China's famous teas.

Possible origins

In the early years of Jiaqing in the Qing Dynasty (AD 1796), Baihao Yinzhen was successfully cultivated from vegetable tea in Fuding. The export of Baihao Yinzhen started in 1891. Baihao Yinzhen used to be called Luxueya (绿雪芽, literally "green snow shoots"), which is regarded as the ancestor of white tea. The mother tree is planted in Hongxue Cave on Taimu Mountain in Fuding.

Plantation
Fuding, located in the northeast of Fujian Province, has mild and warm climate and plenty of rainfall. Perennial mean temperature is 18.4 °C. It is surrounded by hills on 3 sides and the East China Sea on 1 side. The position is 26°52′～27°26′ north, 119°55′～120°43′ east.

Production

A genuine Silver Needle is a white tea. As such, it is only lightly oxidized. The most sought after productions are from the first flushes, which generally take place between late March to early April, when the year's first new buds "flush". For the production of Silver Needle, only the leaf shoots, i.e. the leaf buds before opening, are plucked. Unlike the plucking of green tea, the ideal time and weather for plucking white tea is a sunny morning when the sun is high enough to have dried any remaining moisture on the buds.

Traditionally, the plucks are laid in shallow baskets to wilt under the sun for an extended period, and the best quality produced today are still made this way. To avoid loss due to sudden rain, gusts, or other accidents, some producers are taking the plucks indoors to wilt in a chamber with artificial warm air flow. The softened shoots are then piled for the required enzyme oxidation (often incorrectly referred to as fermentation) before they are taken for a low temperature bake-dry.

Two regions, Zhenghe and Fuding, spanning the north to north-eastern parts of the Fujian province are the major and original producers of this tea, although neighboring counties have also been producing. The two major cultivars employed by these regions are Fuding Da Bai and Zhenghe Da Bai, named after their origins. These differences are important to distinguish the two major styles of Silver Needles—the Zhenghe style and the Fuding style. The former is usually a lot darker, with significantly longer piled-up time for oxidation, yielding a tea with fuller body than the latter style, which is generally lighter with shorter oxidation. The character of the tea tree leaves of the former allows for the extended piled-up time without turning bad. Both styles have their own group of followers, as taste is a rather personal preference.

Baihao Yinzhen can be harvested in spring, summer and autumn. Spring tea has the highest quality and most abundant which makes up half of annual production.

Hand-picking
Baihao Yinzhen is the tender bud of the white tea. It needs to be picked up before the buds open. Tea planters pick the leaves straight from the tea bush and put them into the baskets in dry sunny days.

Withering (sun drying)
The withering of white tea leaves is a natural process which needs the tea workers to use their real skills. The freshly picked leaves and buds are left in a dormant state for a maximum of 3 days to have them dried thoroughly.

Dehydrating
Drying the Baihao Yinzhen is an essential and challenging step. The process has a strict requirement of temperature and workers’ skills. If the temperature fails to be in a specific range, the taste of Baihao Yinzhen will lose its unique taste.

Brewing
As with all white teas, it is best prepared with water below boiling (at around 75 to 80 degrees Celsius or 167 to 176 degrees Fahrenheit)  and produces a slightly viscous glittering pale yellow color with evidence of floating white hairs that reflect light. Baihao Yinzhen is said to smell of "fresh-cut hay", and the flavour is described as sweet, vegetal, and delicate. Steeping should be longer than other white teas; up to 5 minutes per brew, and the volume of tea to be used can be higher. There are few parallels to be drawn as the taste is not similar to any other teas but Bai Mu Dan, except the latter is fuller but not as sweet and delicate.

Storage
Baihao Yinzhen needs to be stored with a lower amount of moisture. If the bud turns into powder after squeezing it, it means the amount of humidity is low enough. If not, the tea needs to be brewed as soon as possible. Tinfoil cylinders, porcelains, and tinted glass bottles are the best containers for Baihao Yinzhen. Cans, wooden boxes and bamboo boxes are also acceptable. Baihao Yinzhen should be stored in dry and clean containers and a ventilated area. Also, the tea cannot be stored alongside things with strong smells like camphor, medicines, cosmetics, and detergents.

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Roland Bolt amplifier

The Roland Bolt 30/60/100 was the only line of tube guitar amplifiers produced by Roland. The Bolt amplifier series was released in 1979.

The Bolt amplifiers used an hybrid circuit, with a Mosfet based solid state preamp section and an all Tube power amp. The power amp section is an exact clone of the Fender AB763 circuit, it uses two 6L6GC power tubes and one 12AT7 Phase Inverter. The amplifiers have two channels, clean and Overdrive, switchable on the front panel or through a foot-switch. Aside from the overdrive circuit, the amp contains a spring reverb and provision for external effects using the effects loop.

The Bolt was produced until 1984.

Both combo (amp/speaker) and 'head' versions of these amplifiers were produced, and three models were released: the Bolt 30 (30 watts), Bolt 60 (60 watts) and the Bolt 100 (100 watts).

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Kudos.
Good job on doing some stuff for Black Sabbath songs, etc.

They have been lacking. --Keith, evil dude 04:08, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism on LOSAM
Why do you believe that some songs on LOSAM meet the criteria for vandalism on that list? I added numerous songs to that list and thought that those songs had something to do with masturbation (e.g. reference, metaphor, out-of-context), sometimes, when I hear lyrics of songs, I get some impression.

Find out more on talk page. --SuperDude 07:16, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

How can i apply for administratorship?
Dear Redwolf24,I am user:tdxiang.I would like to appeal to be an administrator,but how?

Sorry Tdxiang but you are rather new to Wikipedia. Administrators have to know Wikipedia inside and out. Until then, keep editing and keep contributing. Redwolf24 06:03, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The br thing
Answer to question posted on userpage: You have to type return twice to get a new paragraph.

Like that. —M ICLER ( Мыклр ) June 28, 2005 18:28 (UTC)

black sabbath
considering your msg to me wrt the bs page - since bs is a british band it is more appropriate to have the spelling in british as well. hence the changes. if I'm not mistaken this is in the wiki guide as well. Spearhead 30 June 2005 22:57 (UTC)
 * [] Spearhead 1 July 2005 21:26 (UTC)

Re: Kudos
Thanks. Yes, the Mariah Carey article is a perpetual mess, as are a lot of the other music articles. Just looked at Black Sabbath and it's in the top 10%! Could use a couple more images though. Wasted Time R 1 July 2005 22:44 (UTC)

What do you mean by extentions? I might be able to help...
I saw your message on Jimmy's front page; When you say "extentions," do you mean that you want to create a sub-directory? If so, then simply put in the web address that you'd like to use, and it will pop up with a blank "edit" page, and you simply edit away. Does that help? You can answer me on my talk page and/or send me an email: Gww1210@aol.com --GordonWattsDotCom 2 July 2005 02:39 (UTC)

 * You're welcome. Got it working, I take it, eh?-- GordonWattsDotCom 2 July 2005 02:46 (UTC)

 * Yup, and a Barnstar for you! Redwolf24 2 July 2005 02:47 (UTC)

Belated welcome
I know you've been here for a while, but you said on Welcoming committee that you were never welcomed. So I'd just like to say: welcome to Wikipedia! — Bcat (talk | email) 2 July 2005 23:03 (UTC)

Searching
Hi Redwolf24, Thanks for the welcome. I actually joined Wikipedia a while back but hadn't logged in when I posted material. I wasn't sure why one even needed to log in, but now see that it allows users to follow the history somewhat more precisely. My current question is how one can search ALL of Wikipedia for a specific name, term, phrase to find out what's available. For example, if I wanted to search for Warren Burger, fomer Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, I'd probably find an individual listing for him. However, there might be no main entry for a person even though that person might be mentioned numerous times in articles about other things. And even if there is an entry for what you're looking for, there's no way to find all those other mentions unless links have already been established. Is there a way to do what I'm asking that I don't see? I'm also wondering how to get the same effect as the HTML anchor code which allows a user to jump directly to a specific spot on a page? Your command an id attribute inserts a hard return   when one inserts it in the middle of text, forcing one to use it at the beginning or end of a paragraph. --Snsnews 3 July 2005 06:28 (UTC)

 * You're very welcome for the welcome. Now for the questions... When you say search ALL of Wikipedia you mean like user pages and templates and everything? If so then when you search for something, scroll to the bottom of the search page and check all the boxes. If you meant to see pages that mention Warren Burger then go to his page and click "What links here" on the toolbox on the left side of the page underneath the searchbox. Oh, no way to find the pages unless links have been established... Most pages do link.

 * As for the jumping down to a specific part on a wikipage, just use User:Redwolf24 (Test it out even-->User:Redwolf24) of course that's an example. Use the page then the pound sign (#) to whatever section. I think I've answered your questions. If not then reply. Redwolf24 3 July 2005 06:40 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome.
Thanks for welcoming me, Redwolf24. I'll try to do my best to do some good edits. :-) Forgotten the crackers 5 July 2005 19:48 (UTC)

No problem. If you wanna welcome people yourself just go to WP:WC and add your name to the list. Then you can make your own welcome or just use Redwolf24 7 July 2005 03:37 (UTC)

Thanks for the nice welcome
Just wanted to say thanks for welcoming me! Wolfmoon 9 July 2005 08:27 (UTC)

????
I have no idea what just happened. I was googling, trying to find recent contact information on someone, and found myself in WikiWorld. What I read needed improvement, so I did.

I don't know where the tildes go or why, but thank you for the tip. Is there something else I should do? Will anyone be the least bit interested in my edit, or have a reason to alter it?

It's pretty late--I just realized it's July 9 and I thought it was still yesterday.

Cynthia Morse

Userpage
I did.

--Cynthia Morse 9 July 2005 09:04 (UTC)

Watchlist
How do I add the article that I edited to my watchlist. When I click on "display and edit" it only gives me the option to delete.--Cynthia Morse 9 July 2005 09:13 (UTC)

(Taken care of) Redwolf24 9 July 2005 09:16 (UTC)

Substub
Because of the hard work of WP:WSS, there is no longer need for substubs. Use stub instead, or preferably, a more specific stub template. Radiant_ >|< July 9, 2005 10:05 (UTC)

Well yes I know about the Stub instead thing. Anywho, I read up on all that. However just saying stub seems like it brings up lots of work too. Anyways, thank you. Redwolf24 9 July 2005 10:07 (UTC)

Thanks for the Welcome Redwolf24
Thank you for your warm welcome, and the useful links you provided. --Bongani 9 July 2005 10:28 (UTC)

Thanks for your vote on Talrias' RFA
Thanks for your supporting vote on my RFA! Talrias (t | e | c) 9 July 2005 13:31 (UTC)

 * No problem at all. I'm not sure if you're gonna pass because so many people judge based on edits rather than quality of them. Yes quantity is important but you've made the most of your edits. Good luck on it however and if it fails then try again in a month, I'll nominate you myself. Redwolf24 20:59, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks alot for the nice welcome! -- Sundae 9 July 2005 14:03 (UTC)

 * You're very welcome for it. If you ever get interested in welcoming newcomers, take a gander at WP:WC. :) Redwolf24 21:00, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

Re: Wikistress
Its one of those situations where you know you're right but due to a fluke of policy your hands are tied. Bascially a user doesn't like the policies of a wikiproject I serve as coordinator for, and sought to create an alternative article, by turing a redirect to a preexisting article into a new article for his POV. It's somewhat complicated see the RFC for American West History, Geography section and User talk:Theresa knott. Thanks for your concern. -JCarriker 20:21, July 9, 2005 (UTC)

 * Please don't leave Wikipedia based on someone being an idiot. We lose a lot of great editors that way but they don't see for every Competent User we lose there's a higher idiot ratio. Anyways I've got to run. Redwolf24 21:03, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't plan on leaving, however the deadlock at Talk:American West is narrow perhaps you would consider helping me out over there all we need is one vote for redirecting back to the original article (new material has already been merged). - JCarriker 21:07, July 9, 2005 (UTC)

 * K, good. I saw your friend Hephaestos and I feared you were gonna do the same. Redwolf24 21:39, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

Vancouveriensis article on Sir J.C. Bray sub John Bray
Dear Redwolf24,

Thanks for your welcome message.

I just wonder if I made a mistake creating my article and submitting it before creating an account for myself as Vancouveriensis? I see that the new account is not credited with contributing the article, so I have edited it to include that information at the end, but this is only a makeshift attempt to rectify my omission.

Thanks for any help.

Cheers,

V.

Hatelisting
Thanks. If it gets recreated again I'll protect. It gets a fair number of Google hits but the article isn't remotely encyclopedic. --FCYTravis 03:02, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

VfD:List of navigational.. yadda yadda
Thanks for casting a delete vote Redwolf24 04:40, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm glad I could be of service :) -mysekurity 04:41, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

What is going on
Please explain someone!!! Redwolf24 06:17, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

 * You have a fan... or something >_> NickBush24 06:19, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

User:207.200.116.9, User:Redwolf24isgay, User:Redwolf24isafag. Three people hate me, oh joy. You know you're a great editor when you have your own personal vandals. Though its probably the same guy over and over. Redwolf24 06:20, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Check, you seem to have attracted a crowd. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 06:53, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * lmao. These crazy homophobes. Looks like I have 7 fans? Its a different (yet similar) IP each time. Maybe one guy owns seven computers. Or maybe theres a hate group working together in a basement. Redwolf24 07:00, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

More likely they have dynamic IP's and it keeps changing to protect them from being blocked. -- Essjay ·  Talk 07:03, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

Good thought. Redwolf24 07:03, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 07:04, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

You know, if you have that many "fans" you have to be doing something right! -- Essjay ·  Talk 07:05, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

Thats what I've been thinking and thats probably why I havent changed my Wikistress. :) Redwolf24 07:06, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Here's a vandal whacking stick to help you out. -- Essjay ·  Talk 07:09, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

You're welcome! Oh, and I asked Evil Monkey to block User:NickBush24isafag. -- Essjay ·  Talk 07:16, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

Jesus, Joseph & Mary! The saga continues... -- Essjay ·  Talk 07:29, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

I think its over... Redwolf24 07:30, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

 * It’s probably the same guy, but I don’t think that he is deliberately changing IP address. I’m on dial up, and every time I connect my IP number is different (that’s the point of dynamic IP’s isn’t it). -- Obradović Goran ( t al k  02:00, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

 * P.S. – Black Sabbath: Paranoid rulz!!-- Obradović Goran ( t al k  02:00, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Yeah I figured that all out but I can pretend that more than one person hates me. A guy can dream can't he :P

 * P.S. DAMN STRAIGHT Redwolf24 02:03, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Alice Cooper Photograph
Thanks for your message, and for giving this some thought. Trivia time: as you noted, the cover of "Eyes" is indeed classic--in fact, it seems classic because it IS classic. It was taken from the inside fold of 1971's "Love It To Death". This is at least the second time that Cooper cover art was based on an image from a previous album, because the cover for 1977's "Alice Cooper Goes To Hell" was a cropping of a photograph from an inside photo of the band in 1973' "Billion Dollar Babies." An odd practice for someone so obviously in tune with image, don't you think? Generally, though, I prefer the scary clown eye makeup style (as on the cover of "From The Inside") to the demented drag queen makeup style (as on the cover of "Eyes). Thanks again and keep up the good work! -- ROYGBIV 06:30, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

By the way, Redwolf24
Welcome! (We can't say that loud/big enough!)

Here are a few links you might find helpful:

 * Be Bold!
 * Don't let grumpy users scare you off.
 * Meet other new users
 * Learn from others
 * Play nice with others
 * Contribute, Contribute, Contribute!
 * Tell us about you

If you have any questions or problems, no matter what they are, leave me a message on my talk page.

We're so glad you're here!

Since you mentioned you hadn't been welcomed, now you have! -- Essjay ·  Talk 08:00, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

 * Haha, Bcat beat you to it (scroll up). All I need now is a barnstar :P nah I don't deserve one just yet. People need to truly deserve them so the Barnstar retains some worth. Redwolf24 08:02, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Darn him! I'd whack him with my vandal whacking stick, but since he's doing what he's supposed to, I think it'd make me a vandal! -- Essjay ·  Talk 08:06, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

 * I love that Vandal stick <3 Redwolf24 08:07, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Speaking about Barnstars, we just created one for combating vandalism. See Barnstars_on_Wikipedia. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 08:08, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Looks like its a few months old. Good stuff though. I'm off to make a subpage of people I can call on. Redwolf24 08:09, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

You know, I think it's important to have funny things like vandal whacking sticks to hand around...I've been known to leave all kinds of things lying about. If we don't have something to laugh about, we'll all end up crying. -- Essjay ·  Talk 08:16, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

Check the bottom of my user page now. Mini hall of fame of sorts. Redwolf24 08:17, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm touched. Plus, as for the Barnstars, you can give one for any reason. Check that out, and WP:KC to see about a little group. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 08:20, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Hey, it looks like you've been editing since about the same time I started (seriously) editing. And you aren't far behind me in the edit count department! Are you excited about coming up on 1000? Oh, and by the way, I'm happy to flail you any day! (that didn't come out right) -- Essjay ·  Talk 08:22, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

Haha. But by the way I've made about 150 edits on July 10 I believe. Anywho I just hit 900 recently, Neh? I better go collect 1000. Anywho I just wanna say you've been really helpful and I'll gladly nominate you an admin once you hit 2000 or so. :) Redwolf24 08:24, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * At this rate, you'd better start typing...I had like 200 at the begining of June! I was really excited about hitting 1000. I've had somewhere around 100 in the last 24 hours, but most of that is from RC patrol.

 * Oh, by the way, considering the vandalism that's been going on, you might want to check out our policy proposal at Doppelganger account. It's not really the same thing, but something cose.

 * Good work today! -- Essjay ·  Talk 08:34, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

At this rate I better start typing? I'm going amazingly fast in my opinion :P anywho, I support that policy though it is a bit confusing. Anyways I broke 900. 1000 is next. :D. Redwolf24 08:39, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Oops, I was confusing. I meant, at the rate I'm going if you're going to nominate me at 2000, you'd better start typing the nomination, because I'll be there before you know it! I wasn't suggesting you weren't going fast enough, in fact, it think you deserve a barnstar for being constantly on the move! -- Essjay ·  Talk 08:46, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

 * Haha. Score my first barnstar of any sort. You deserve this same star. Redwolf24 08:49, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Thank you so very much for the reciprocal barnstar. Today, I got two barnstars (my first two ever) for RC patrol work; yesterday, I nearly got blocked for it! What a weekend! -- Essjay ·  Talk 09:25, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

 * Haha weekends we're in a giving mood, weekdays we're in a BAN ESSJAY mood. Redwolf24 09:27, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

It is 2:26 AM. I hope to hit 1000 before I go to bed. Cheer me on :) Redwolf24 09:27, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

 * GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO!

 * Literally at the exact same moment I was typing that above (about the ban) the admin who almost banned me was typing a note on my talk page saying she was glad I'd gotten some awards...Creepy.

 * I'm leaving you a note in reply at my cult page. -- Essjay ·  Talk 09:32, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

 * Weird stuff there And I'll check your crazy Cult Page soon. Redwolf24 09:33, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

977...You're so close...Come on, come on..."I think I can, I think I can" -- Essjay ·  Talk 10:32, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

Haha I thought you went to bed :p Redwolf24 10:33, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Nope...I have a cup of coffee, a beautiful sunrise, a fuzzy cat sitting on my desk whacking my hands as I type...It's a beautiful Sunday morning!

 * I was acually at my WikiFriends page listing people...It took a while! I've got some more policy work to do, then I'm going to do some RC patrol and try to "widen the gap."

 * Just 12 more to go! -- Essjay ·  Talk 10:45, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

hola!
Dear Red ,

Thanks for your welcome message. I've been a regular reader of wikipedia for quite some time now and funny as it seems- i just noticed i can also have an account - so there we go.I think its a lovely concept..drops of info from so many people spread all over the world- n here is such an awesome source of info on so many many things. I just made my first edit also - and to tell u frankly...small as the contribution was - im feeling so good about adding something worthwhile to this world wide wikipedia web :))..thats from me for now. I will go through the articles on editing etc and will ask you if i have any doubts.

have a great day

cheers neha --- "We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time."

T S Eliot ---

T S Eliot, amazing person. Also PLEASE sign signatures with ~ So I can comment back at your page :) Redwolf24 09:45, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

:) it is
~:)

like this? Yes, but don't use it with the. Redwolf24 09:53, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the Welcome Message
Thank you for the welcome message, I must admit, I was feeling a little lost, after having made a contribution. Still getting used to the things here and still exploring.

Could you help me understand how I could become members of groups (Collaborations of the Week), and those kind of things (unless of course I figure that out myself)?

Thanks again.

Four tildes, it is!

Atul Sabnis 10:46, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

You don't have to formally become a member of Collaborations of the Week, just go research and add :). Some things you should sign up for (like WP:WC) Any other newbie (that is NOT said in a deraugatory way) questions you need, ask me! Redwolf24 10:49, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

CONGRATS!
YOU DID IT! You made 1000! -- Essjay ·  Talk 11:00, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

Haha I welcomed a lucky newbie. Damn in the last 24 hours I must have about 250 edits O.O Redwolf24 11:02, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

 * And now it's time to go to bed? -- Essjay ·  Talk 11:05, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

 * I'll get around to it... *twitch* *gets coffee* Redwolf24 11:10, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

 * You can have some of mine...I made a big pot...

 * Also, I saw your comments to Exir Kamalabadi about control-c; you do know you can type and get the same result, right? -- Essjay ·   Talk 11:13, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

 * Yeh but I like it how it is <_< >_> Redwolf24 11:15, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I left you a note about your tilde problem. Instead of showing up as tildes, they are making the auto change into your signature. I think it's because you copy/paste and there aren't additional "nowiki" tags -- Essjay ·  Talk 11:24, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

 * Taken care of :) thanks *awards 3 more barnstars* Just kidding though. Redwolf24 11:27, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I swear, anymore barnstars for me and ArbCom is going to investigate the both of us! Jimbo himself is going to be leaving us messages!

 * Also, I thought of this a second ago: I use the Firefox browser, and there is an extension for it that lets you have custom signatures you can insert on pages (like here). I have it, and have it set to my welcome template, so I don't have to type it (I'm lazy!). If you're interested, I'll get you the link.

 * And speaking of milestones, I just broke 1400! -- Essjay ·  Talk 11:30, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

 * Congrats but thats hard to get excited for, 1,500 you'll get a prize. Remember, your goal is 2000 or so. Redwolf24 11:32, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Hey, an hour ago you were typing 900...I can make it! -- Essjay ·  Talk 11:36, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

 * Go shorty. Redwolf24 11:37, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

 * When you got time, read this: Vandalism at uncyclopedia Redwolf24 11:37, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm gonna go to bed now. Good luck on 1,500 :) Redwolf24 12:06, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

I've got aways to go...I'll let you know when I hit it! -- Essjay ·  Talk 12:18, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

Deal. Also, for a few quick edits, go to VfD. I have two submissions there. NIGHT Redwolf24 12:34, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

 * You have the distinction of being my 1500th edit. Congratulations to both of us! Now, back to the vandal fighting! -- Essjay ·  Talk 16:04, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

 * Score. I would give you a star but I've given you enough. So I'll give you a very random award. Redwolf24 19:03, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

 * So, did you have a nice nap? A random award...I'll have to be on the lookout for that! -- Essjay ·  Talk 19:06, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

 * Yeah a good nap. Now check your user page. Redwolf24 19:10, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Oh, God! Do I have to worship Satan now? I mean, I'm already busy worshiping the F, S, & HS, plus Almighty Jimbo...

 * By the way, I saw that you like Stephen Lynch...He's about the funniest singing comic I've ever heard. -- Essjay ·  Talk

Welcoming message
Hello, Redwolf24

I'm a new member of the welcoming committe, and I have heard you are a veteran at welcomming new users. What do you think about my welcomming message? Feel free to give me some suggestions.Exir Kamalabadi(Talk)(contribs) 11:01, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

 * I know this question wasn't for me, but in looking at your welcome message, I see that when you said "Sign your post with 4 tildes ( ~ )" it showed up with your username. Use the nowiki tags as I have done to have them show up correctly, and you might want to include "tasks to be done" or some that I've seen in others, but otherwise, it looks pretty good! Congrats, and good luck with the welcomming! -mysekurity 17:08, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

I whacked Red for that earlier...It should be fixed now (but won't show up on old pages). -- Essjay ·  Talk 17:23, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

Please see
Votes for deletion/American West, it'd be funny if it wasn't sad. Poor guy, I kinda feel sorry for him. Oh, well. -JCarriker 15:39, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

Probably a newcomer. Ah well, Redwolf24 18:37, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, man!
Hey, thanks for adding the photo of Andrew Bird (and one he looks dang handsome in, too!) I'm still a bit of a noob and haven't quite progressed to photos yet. One mountain at a time.... Thanks for letting me know! NickBurns 15:49, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

No problem. An image to every article. 18:38, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/American West
Please take another look at Votes for deletion/American West, and re-consider your vote. I think you'll find that Redirect would be a more appropriate vote, given that the merge work has already been done, and consensus on the article's talk page has been reached. The author of the page was just unhappy with the consensus, it seems. -Harmil 18:44, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

You have been...
...selected to review a proposal at WikiProject U.S. regions/Maps to replace the current grab bag of U.S. maps with a standardized style. The maps also remove the always, sometimes, and rare classification currently in use, in favor of a core area always in a region highlighted in red, while states that may or may not be included in a region are shown in pink. Please comment on the talk page. If approved or revised by participants, I'd like to make the transition within the next two weeks. Thanks. -JCarriker 19:29, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

 * How'd you get drafted for that? That seems pretty far away from sorting bands and whacking vandals... -- Essjay ·  Talk 19:39, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

 * Yeah I forgot to mention I'm a geography/history/biography genius. Though I haven't spent much time on that. Redwolf24 19:41, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Yeah, missed that one...And the serial killer fetish. Oh well, I guess we all have wierd things...After all, I get paid to think about God all the time! What a scam! -- Essjay ·  Talk 19:54, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

Haha. Read up on the killers. Good stuff >xD Redwolf24 19:56, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Trust me, with all the smiting that's gone on in God's name, I've got plenty of material. By the way, how do you find newbies to welcome? -- Essjay ·  Talk 20:08, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

 * (taken care of) Redwolf24 20:48, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I've resoponded to you on the talk. Have you considered adding yourself to the list of participants, we have a sufferage policy based on VFU's, so I'd recommend you add yourself to the list, we always love to have new contibutors, so much so I've insituted a "voluntary draft". You can go to the project main page usign WP:USR -JCarriker 20:24, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

Trolling RC...I do that all the time, except I look for vandals, not newbies. I use CDVF though, so I don't see redlinks. Speaking of vandals, you scared the bejezus out of me; I thought I was going to go find vandalism on my page! -- Essjay ·  Talk 20:50, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

 * What is CDVF??? Redwolf24 20:51, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Ah, I'm glad you asked, Grasshopper...CDVF is the amazing CryptoDerk Vandal Fighter. It gives you real time, streaming Recent Changes, lets you import your watchlist, color code edits by anon IPs, user page edits by other users, etc. It's the greatest thing ever!

For now, I must go; I have Mass in half an hour. I shall pray for us all! See you about 9 or 10!

OH GOD! Something's wrong with Kate's tool...My edit count is stuck where it was two hours ago! -- Essjay ·  Talk 20:59, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

A couple of questions
Thanks for your welcome. I have made a couple of editing changes to the stub Bio-Bio river but forgot to log on so they appear as my internet domain 200.85.205.210 Is it possible to correct to CONCE ..my user name or forever I have lost this chance for immortality? :-) (BioBio is part of rivers of chile or stub of Concepcion, Chile).

Other question ... I note that to send you a message there is a box ..Leave me a message. I have not seen this with other users and wasnt sure how to send them messages. i.e. whether to edit their MYTALK boxes etc. No doubt this information is somewhere within wikipedias guides etc. but there is so much and I am slowly learning on a need to know basis.

Paul Edmonds (aka CONCE)

 * My Reply

 * 1) Don't worry about 1 or 2 lost edits. I have about 1000 and if I did retrieve my IP edits maybe I'd have 1020. No big deal really. Remember next time you login to click "Remember Me" that way you won't lose any edits.

 * 2) To leave messages on other users pages, just click Edit this page and go to the bottom and make a new sections.

 * 3) PLEASE sign your comments with ~, rather than just writing out CONCE. This way users can reply to you easier.

 * Redwolf24 23:58, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

I forgot a heading so I'm adding one now..
Hello, and thanks for the welcome to Wikipedia! :)

I am a fan of Nirvana, so it's nice to see you list them in the top four of your favourite bands. And what I have heard from Black Sabbath, AC/DC and The Who thus far, I've liked.

Your user page mentions you play the guitar - I'm a dedicated player myself, currently only have an old classical guitar, but hopefully getting an electric one soon!

Also, that's an impressive collection of CDs. Too long to analyze right now, but some of the names I saw were the ones I listen to or have heard about and would be likely to listen to. In fact, I do envy that collection. :)

Again, thanks, your welcome message was appreciated.

PeepP 00:14, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

 * The welcome, no problem. I hope you become a valuable editor. I just recently hit my 1000th edit. Anywho anything on my page (such as the Leave me a message box) that you want, feel free to take (or if you don't know how I'll do it for you). If you're interested in welcoming newbies, see WP:WC. And thank you much for the band complements. :) As for guitar I've been playing since March '04. You? Redwolf24 01:11, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I'll take a look at the neat clickables on your page later, once I'll have more time. About the 1000th edit - that's a lot. I hope you get to be an admin soon as you're hoping. The guitar. I've been playing on and off. I went to music school when I was young, first took trumpet classes, but later switched to guitar once my teacher found out I was missing a front tooth. ;) I stopped after a few months, though, wasn't really into it. I picked up my guitar a few times in the last few years, but I really got into it full-time in about March this year, been playing and practicing actively ever since. And thanks for the good words on my talk page, made my day. :) PeepP 01:45, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

 * 1) about the 1000 edits: I'm applying for admin as soon as I hit 2000 edits.

 * 2) How does the tooth mess up your playing? I know nothing about trumpets :-/

 * 3) No problem for the good words, you might get a certain award. Redwolf24 01:47, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't know myself why the tooth was a problem, but my teacher said so. The guitar was better anyway since I didn't have to go to a distant forest where no one could hear me, every time I wanted to practice. :) PeepP 11:55, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Intelligence and public policy

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. Sjakkalle (Check!)  09:02, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Intelligence and public policy
Highly charged POV couched in calm language, unlikely to ever be NPOV, and original research. Aaron Brenneman 02:11, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, unencyclopedic personal essay.   [ +t, +c, +m ] 02:19, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Changing my vote to keep. Not knowing much about the subject, I assumed this was an original essay. It probably does need cleanup for possible original research, though.   [ +t, +c, +m ] 07:21, July 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. This is not a personal essay, but rather a planned expansion of the related material in the intelligence, IQ, and race and intelligence articles. All of the material in this article is from published scholarly work. A similar VfD recently failed. --Rikurzhen 02:31, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Looks fine to me....? Keep.  Dcarrano 02:56, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Acceptable. Not original research. DarthVader 03:04, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep per above, doesn't seem to have anything seriously wrong with it. Jaxl 03:06, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. Article needs a thorough POV check but is a valid topic. Kaibabsquirrel 03:36, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment I was using the phrase "original research" as per No original research with regards to 'synthesizes work in a non-standard way' as well as 'introduces an original argument purporting to refute or support another idea, theory, argument, or position described in the article'. It, in conjunction with the other article Race and intelligence by this same author that recently passed VfD, begin to present a disturbing trend that seems to violate Not a soapbox.  Please note that the above the fold here contains, "A large body of research indicates that intelligence varies between individuals and, to a lesser extent, between racial groups." How is that relevant to this article? Why has the author chosen to include that? This article is well written and referenced, but that is not the criterion for inclusion. Perhaps I am being melodramatic, perhaps I'm not demonstrating  faith.  But I highly recomend that anyone who choses to vote on this make a careful reading of the text, examine other contributions by this user (and by me, for that matter) and think carefully before you vote.  Just as you should do every time, of course. Aaron Brenneman 03:45, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * As I saw it, the reason the reference to racial groups is made is because IQ tests seem to favor certain racial groups; thus, policy that is based on IQ scores is going to run into racial discrimination problems. I definitely think that it's POV to say "intelligence varies between racial groups," as this implies that IQ tests accurately measure intelligence, which is far from an accepted fact.  But, putting POV issues aside as of course is appropriate in VfD discussion, I do believe an NPOV article on this subject is possible, just like it is possible with Race and intelligence.  Probably a nightmare to actually make it happen, but, oh well.  We have to believe in the process.  Dcarrano 04:02, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * That's right; race is only mentioned because it is a primary topic in the debate, has been a subject of two Civil Rights Acts and a Supreme Court decision, and remains an active area of cognitive research and policy debate today. While I cannot countenance Aaron's suspicion, I do support his prescription.  Read carefully.  --DAD T 06:48, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * It's not original research if it describes published scholarly work, which the material in this article is. Check the references. This professor has written pretty extensively on this topic. --Rikurzhen 04:12, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Nothing wrong with the topic, the writing is sourced and better than most such articles, and even if what is presumably being targeted as objectionable is deleted or modified encyclopedic content would remain. -EDM 04:42, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep I suppose, there's probably a Wiki-article in this. Note however, that merely including a list of references doesn't count. The text and the claims in it need to be related directly to one or more of those references. References are not for saying "look, I'm not the only one doing this so let me have an article", they are for saying "look, this is a verifiable fact, and it comes from here". -Splash 04:43, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Ahem, I read it again. For the most part, the claims are from the references. Not in the whole part though, but that's no worse than most articles we have here. Still, my point about references is true, imho. -Splash 04:46, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I didn't contribute to this article, but I notice it's only 2 hours old, so we can probably expect tightening up of the finer points in the future. --Rikurzhen 04:49, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep as per above. Definately needs a POV cleanup tho. -mysekurity 05:42, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Article is brand-new, concerns a subject that is widely researched, and will benefit from Wikipedia community efforts.  Disclaimer: I drafted the article. --DAD T 06:48, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and cleanup. Interesting topic. JamesBurns 09:15, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Not encyclopedic. Hiding 15:28, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Certainly encyclopedic, if edited somewhat. Strong keepDjadek 15:47, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * In what way is an article entitled Intelligence and public policy encyclopedic? I could write a huge article on the stregths and weaknesses of policy issues from government's around the world, and the intelligence involved in creating them, but that's way too broad.  The title is broad and meaningless.  Unencyclopedic.  Hiding 18:01, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * The article is about intelligence as a subject of public policy, not the role of intelligence in crafting public policy. --Rikurzhen 18:28, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Your description is way too broad. The scope of the article is much narrower than your comment suggests.  The article, a planned expansion of related material in other articles as indicated in the second vote above, focuses explicitly on public policies which specifically regard intelligence testing (e.g. employment law and disparate impact), intelligence measures (e.g. execution of low-IQ criminals), or correlates for which a significant and specific debate exists regarding the role of intelligence (e.g. achievement gaps and No Child Left Behind).  The article's title reflects the commonly used terms; that it can be read too broadly is a common problem with titles, and misunderstanding should be quickly dispatched by the article's content, which is quite focused.  --DAD T 18:37, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Exactly. The title is broad and meaningless, and so unencyclopedic, and the content POV or at best poorly mistitled, since many states do not even entertain execution and all the examples seem to be U.S. based.  The content would thus still be unencyclopedic as surely it's a thesis. Hiding 22:23, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Restriction to US is hardly grounds for deletion. Specific policies cited in the article are US-only yet have their own WP pages.  "...since many states do not even entertain execution" -- this is a red herring, since the US Supreme Court ruled on the issue and created a US-wide law.  "Surely its a thesis" -- given the citations, one can verify quite easily that it's not a thesis.  WP editors are invited to do so.  The charge of POV is of course fair, though as many voters have noted, need for POV cleanup does not imply need for deletion.  Similarly, the request for a more specific title and the vote to delete seem quite disparate. --DAD T 23:23, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * You seriously espect me to believe a thesis doesn't cite? And there's no disparity. Delete and start again. Hiding 07:26, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, though needs some editing with an eye to NPOV. Christopher Parham (talk) 16:44, 2005 July 11 (UTC)
 * Delete. Was leaning towards keep until I actually read the article. What a bunch of speculative, mis-informed, US-centric tripe. Definately NOT encyclopedic. Niteowlneils 21:20, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Interesting. Which parts are you referring to? --Rikurzhen 21:23, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Try these: All military recruits take the Armed Forces Qualification Test, what, everywhere? and The present article covers particular policies and policy areas, generally in the US. A self referring article as well no less.  Also, at the very least it has to be Western in bias, and therefore unencyclopedic, since the scope of the article's title will not allow anything less than a broad meaningless overview of all policies, all government and all examinations of intelligence.  The only true content on this page would surely have to be something akin to ''some people think public policy in some parts of the world is designed to discriminate in some way on the issue of intelligence, which may possibly be measured in certain ways, but then again may not, and other people may disagree, whilst in other parts of the world people don't even recognise these as issues. Hiding 22:36, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Which part of the Deletion policy does that satisfy? Maybe you'd like to opt for an NPOV tag/discussion instead. --Rikurzhen 23:07, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * "The only true content on this page"...fascinating. I stipulate that the Supreme Court rulings, the discussion of disparate impact, the No Child Left Behind law, the quote from Murphy, the citations attributed to Gottfredson, the statement regarding cognitive ability testing's status as the single best predictor of job performance, the reference to the theory of situational specificity, and the statement regarding the AFQT (when properly restricted to the US military) are all verifiable, among (many) others.  Please, don't take my word for it; verify.  Moreover, the claim that an article must cover all policies, all governments and all examinations of intelligence is pure opinion (and prima facie difficult to swallow, IMHO); WP policy stipulates no such thing.  The article is the proper place for material on other countries' policies as well.  As the article is roughly 24 hours old, it can hardly be faulted for being a bit drafty.  You're invited to flesh it out -- verifiably, of course.  --DAD T 23:23, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Of course, some of these statements regardless of their verifiability need to be limited or qualified in various ways. For instance, the statement that cognitive ability testing is the single best predictor of job performance: what were the other predictors against which it was tested? Obviously, not all possible ones. Christopher Parham (talk) 14:12, 2005 July 12 (UTC)
 * That's true. In this case the statement is part of a direct quote.  Also, similar statements appear widely in the literature (and the Hunter and Hunter paper cited is among the seminal primary references for it); the statement represents the consensus position among experts.  Perhaps the tweak you're looking for is "best single predictor known" which for experts is perhaps implicit.  For the curious (and this is not meant to be a defense of the article, only a response to the comment) cognitive ability testing has been compared to job interviews, job experience, biographical inventory, education, age, personality characteristics such as conscientiousness and agreeableness, and a host of other predictors; in most cases, and particularly for medium- to high-complexity jobs, nothing else comes close to IQ testing in predictive validity.  --DAD T 15:42, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Disgruntled Keep. I don't like this article, but don't feel up to becoming a part of the monstrosity of an edit war I forsee happening, but anyway my call's that it's not original research, and that's really the only thing from the deletion policy that I think would cover this.  The Literate Engineer 04:13, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Ok, here's a big serve of humble pie, fresh from the oven: I made a mistake.  This was not a valid nomination for deletion.  As it is rude to talk with your mouth full, I'll stop talking now. Aaron Brenneman 06:32, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Certainly a very important topic. Can and has been studied scientifically, like in the Copenhagen Consensus. Is extremely centered on the US right now, which should be corrected, if possible. There should also be much more emphasis on the many ways in which IQ scores may be improved, especially in the developing world. Ultramarine 20:12, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. For those not watching the page, significant non-US content has been added recently in the Health and Nutrition section. --DAD T 18:19, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. I'm clueless as to how a VfD is closed out.  It appears that active discussion has largely wound down and that consensus has emerged.  I cannot speak for other editors, but I am grateful for the helpful comments; the article is already better for them.  --DAD T 21:00, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * They get evaluated by an admin and closely periodically. --Rikurzhen 23:37, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Important topic carefully and articulated explored, if in a somewhat POV way. carmeld1 22:36, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * keep: This could become a very useful reference article, a hallmark of what the Wikipedia is all about. The issue strikes to the heart of matters related to man-made disasters and the Peter principle.  So long as public administrators continue to veer toward 'no child left behind'-esque lowest common denominator policies, then all the more thought provoking counterbalances need to be added.  David Keirsey has found slight IQ differences along the four parameters of temperament, and it might be noted that the non-linear conjunctive traits, INFP, are the ones his research found to have to one to three point higher IQs, in comparison to the more linear, disjunctive traits, ESTJ.  The upshot is that education and politics tend towards anti-intellectual discrimination against those who find it uncomfortable to toe the establishment line. Ombudsman 04:37, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Cryptoracist POV. 172 12:05, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * IMHO, that a very unhelpful opinion. In the U.S. population, most variation in IQ occurs (1) within familes and (2) between families of the same race and social class. Claiming that discussion of this topic is racist is like claiming that a discussion of poverty is racist. --Rikurzhen 23:14, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Intelligence research doesn't intrinsically qualify for deletion. Nectarflowed T 01:44, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak keep Please cleanup and head the topic so the article's import is apparant at its outset. Amicuspublilius 23:07, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Screaming Fields of Sonic Love

Screaming Fields of Sonic Love is a compilation album of songs culled from Sonic Youth's various releases from the 1980s. It was released in 1995 on DGC.

Background
The tracks feature samples from each of the group's major '80s albums. However, they run in reverse chronological order, starting with songs from the band's 1988 masterwork Daydream Nation, and ending with a track from their eponymous first album from 1982. The release of this compilation coincided with the release of a music video collection of the same name, featuring all of Sonic Youth's music videos from the 1980s.

Track listing

 * 1) "Teen Age Riot" – 6:58
 * 2) "Eric's Trip" – 3:49
 * 3) "Candle" – 4:59
 * 4) "Into the Groove(y)" – 4:35
 * 5) "G-Force" – 3:40
 * 6) "Beauty Lies in the Eye" – 2:17
 * 7) "Kotton Krown" – 5:08
 * 8) "Shadow of a Doubt" – 3:34
 * 9) "Expressway to Yr. Skull" – 7:08
 * 10) "Starpower" – 4:49
 * 11) "Death Valley '69" – 5:10
 * 12) "Halloween" – 5:09
 * 13) "Flower" – 3:36
 * 14) "Inhuman" – 4:01
 * 15) "Making the Nature Scene" – 3:00
 * 16) "Brother James" – 3:12
 * 17) "I Dreamed I Dream" – 5:19

VHS

 * 1) "Inhuman" (excerpt, live in front of The Zap, Brighton, 8 November 1985) [unlisted]
 * 2) "Death Valley '69" (feat. Lydia Lunch, dir. Richard Kern)
 * 3) "Shadow of a Doubt" (dir. Kevin Kerslake)
 * 4) "Beauty Lies in the Eye" (dir. Kevin Kerslake)
 * 5) Ciccone Youth "Addicted to Love" (dir. Kim Gordon)
 * 6) Ciccone Youth "Macbeth" (dir. Dave Markey)
 * 7) "Teen Age Riot" (dir. Sonic Youth)
 * 8) "Silver Rocket" (dir. Charles Atlas)
 * 9) "Providence" (dir. Peter Fowler & Sonic Youth)
 * 10) "Candle" (dir. Kevin Kerslake)
 * 11) "Silver Rocket" (feat. Don Fleming, live on Night Music, episode 210, 1989) (dir. John Fortenberry)
 * 12) "I Wanna Be Your Dog" (feat. David Sanborn & Indigo Girls, live on Night Music, episode 210, 1989) (dir. John Fortenberry)
 * 13) "Schizophrenia" (live at The Town and Country Club, London, 4 June 1987)
 * 14) "I Wanna Be Your Dog" (feat. Iggy Pop, live at The Town and Country Club, London, 4 June 1987)
 * 15) Thurston Moore's nephew John and his three sisters "My Friend Goo" (Hyper version) (dir. Thurston Moore) [unlisted]
 * 16) Thurston's nephew John and his three sisters "My Friend Goo" (Bored version) (dir. Thurston Moore) [unlisted]
 * 17) "Brother James (live at The Zap, Brighton, 8 November 1985) [unlisted]

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Sean Kent

Sean Kent is a stand-up comic who stars on A&E's unscripted comedy Modern Dads. He won the 2011 San Francisco International Comedy Competition and the 2009 Seattle International Comedy Competition.

Originally from Austin, Texas, Kent resided in Los Angeles during his development as a comic, moving back to his hometown in 2011 with his partner, Rachel Dory, and their two daughters. He is also known for his stand-up comedy appearances on Showtime and Nickelodeon, and as a series regular on the NBC show Last Comic Standing (seasons 1 & 3). His comedy has been critically acclaimed by Rolling Stone and XM Radio, who called his debut CD "An instant classic".

Early years
Kent attended Hyde Park Baptist Private School in Austin, where he lettered in Varsity Basketball and Cross Country. He was almost expelled several times but he still graduated in 1992. After high school, Kent attended the University of Texas at Austin but dropped out in 1994 to move to Los Angeles and pursue stand-up comedy.

Cancer battle
In 2003 Kent landed his first staff writing job on The Best Damn Sports Show Period. While writing for Best Damn, he was diagnosed with stage III Hodgkin's lymphoma. He began undergoing chemotherapy one day a week while continuing to work. After three months of chemotherapy and 35 days of radiation therapy Kent was pronounced in remission. Shortly after finishing treatment, he auditioned and was subsequently chosen as a series regular for Last Comic Standing Season One.

Almost immediately after Last Comic Standing wrapped, Kent received news that his cancer had recurred. Facing a grim prognosis, he opted to undergo an intensive chemotherapeutic procedure known as an autologous bone marrow transplant which involved radically high doses of chemotherapy and long stays in the hospital. During one stay at City of Hope National Medical Center Kent developed an infection in his chest port and lost over 90 pounds. His doctors told him he had a 50% chance to live a year if he survived treatment, and he was released from the hospital in October 2003, returning to stand-up soon after.

Later career
Kent was the first person voted off on Season 1 of Last Comic Standing. Kent competed on season 3 as well, advancing through 6 of 8 total episodes. In 2005, two years after his treatment, Kent was asked to give the keynote address at the 29th Annual City of Hope Bone Marrow Transplant Reunion. Since then he has regularly spoken and performed at cancer fundraisers, and in 2011 shared a bill with Will Ferrell at the Cancer for College Fundraiser.

In 2009 Kent won the 30th annual Seattle International Comedy Competition and appeared on Showtime's Green Collar Comedy Slam. In 2010 Kent toured the UK, appearing at The Stand and other clubs throughout Great Britain. In 2011 Kent won the 36th annual San Francisco International Comedy Competition

In 2013 Kent
 * headlined the Operation Laughter tour for Armed Forces Entertainment to entertain American troops in the Middle East.
 * was chosen to throw the ceremonial first pitch for the Dodgers as part of their Think Cure cancer fundraising campaign.
 * was cast to star on A&E's new unscripted series, Modern Dads, which premiered on August 21, 2013.

Recordings
In August 2005 he recorded and released his first hour-long comedy CD, Sex, Drugs, and Love, about pop-culture, politics, drug laws, and attitudes about sex in the U.S. It includes an outtake track of Kent battling a drunk woman in the audience plus the song Your Genitals are Evil, co-written with Tom Von Doom, formerly of the band Cycle Sluts From Hell.

In 2010 Kent released his second CD, Waiting for the Rapture for Uproar Entertainment. The Laugh Button has called it "... a jolt of hilarious though sometimes painful honesty. Tackling topics of 21st Century America, such as politics, Wal-Mart, hippies, recycling, Anderson Cooper and fundamentalist Christians. His appeal is to anyone who’s ever felt themselves an outcast, rebel, or dissatisfied with the world, while trying to figure out where it all went wrong."

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