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Infobox template for Places
A number of entries for small towns, villages and such like, eg Edgware, Pinner, Ashford, Surrey, include an infobox that contains some fairly standardized information.

I noticed that most of these were included as in-line tables. As this is pretty messy, I've created a template Template:Infobox England Place, in an attempt to make this stuff easier to maintain and more consistent. See Great Casterton for an example of it in use.

80N 17:07, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Is this template a good or bad thing?
 * Any suggestions for a better name for the template?
 * Should it be England or UK? (I'm not sure whether all the captions are applicable to NI, Scotland and Wales.  Should there be similar but different templates for them.)
 * Any other suggestions?

 * Well, first off, it should be "Template:Infobox England place". :-)
 * Secondly, it doesn't apply to some places in England that come to mind (well, London, and other places that don't have a county any more), but I think that, in as much as it applies to England, it also applies to the "Nations" of Scotland and Wales and "Part" of Northern Ireland.
 * James F. (talk) 17:30, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I believe that all the places that do not have associated counties are unitary authorities so an acceptable entry in the 'County' field would be 'Unitary authority'. --Theo (Talk) 18:17, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Most unitary authorities are part of a ceremonial county even if they are not administered by any county council. In the case of unitary authorities, it might be sensible to use that instead. But put 'ceremonial county' instead of just 'county'. It would probably be best to put 'unitary authority' in the district bit. G-Man 21:36, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Most of the places where this layout has already been used (eg Pinner) are actually in London, and Greater London has been used as the value in these cases. 80N 18:57, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)

Greater London is a ceremonial county. G-Man 21:36, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

A field for 'Parliamentary constituency' would be an enhancement IMHO. --Theo (Talk) 18:19, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Good idea, and quite timely. 80N 18:57, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)

Another thing, It might be better to put 'Historic County' instead of 'Traditional County', as this may be less misleading to the, uninformed. G-Man 21:40, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * 'Historical County', maybe, since we are recording the past name as opposed to only the notabe or memorable name. [Nitpicking difference between 'historic' and 'historical'.] "Pre-1974 County" might be the most explicit, of course. --Theo (Talk) 23:20, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Also perhaps worth adding Wildlife Recording Area - these are mostly the same as the Trad Counties, but not invariably so - MPF 22:38, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I've renamed the template as Template:infobox England place as suggested. I've not changed the captions for counties as these all have links to pages of those names that all seem to be well defined - It's beyond my job grade to start messing with those definitions :-)

I've added Constituency and reworked the OS and Map links a bit.

Finally I've updated the template's talk page with instructions on how to use it and a section for discussion which does have a link to here, but any future discussion can be done directly on the template's talk page (if anyone cares enough).

Thanks for everyone's input. Next job is to start adding the template to all those um... 26,267... places in England... 80N 13:24, Apr 16, 2005 (UTC)

 * I've done Grendon - one down...Brookie 07:28, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Excellent, every little helps :-) But, now I realise that I'm going to have to make the instructions for use a bit clearer!!!  Suggestions anyone? 80N 20:26, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)

I have just started Template:oscoor - see below. Rather than launch it boldly by changing the gbmap… templates, I have started modestly with Template:infobox England place. NB. The link looks horrible on the Template:infobox England place definition page but it does work - just the Wiki software ain't too happy (at this particular level) with nested templates. If this meets with approval, I think we could take the old-maps link out of the infobox - it is available on the Map sources page instead. This would make the infobox easier to use - no need to provide the grid ref in two different formats. If a specific link to old-maps is needed in any particular article, it can be done using GBvosi. -- RHaworth 05:13, 2005 May 5 (UTC)

Status, etc.
It would be good if we could have some more information in the template, especially population, latitude/longitude, and status (ie, village, town, city). Also, we need to be able to have a little image space, if you look at Newbury, Berkshire the map with the dot which many places now have has been integrated into the table. This might cause problems for places without the dot though... -- Joolz 15:50, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Maybe there should be separate templates for towns, villages, hamlets, etc. There's already a specific template for hills and another for landmarks, I think.  I chose the term place because I wanted it to be non-specific and usable for any old place that wasn't covered by some more specific template (such as county, region, constituency, city, etc).  I don't see why there cannot be an Infobox England town template. 80N 23:23, May 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that that's neccessary, we could just add a 'Lat/Lon' row, a 'Status' row and a 'Population' row. For integrating the dot-maps into the infobox we would have to create a separate infobox - 'Infobox England place with location map' for instance so we can accomodate places with and without them. -- Joolz 00:13, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Latitude and longitude are not needed. I have already proposed dropping the old-maps line to simplify the specification of coordinates. Adding lat/long just adds unnecessary complications. Assuming the use of is accepted, then the Map Sources page to which it links contains a conversion of Grid Ref to Lat/Long. -- RHaworth 04:58, 2005 May 9 (UTC)
 * The dot-maps are a long way from being a standard Wikipedia feature - see Lupin's talk page. For the time being, the simple solution is separate with/without templates. But we can also start lobbying for someone to develop a script/engine to generate these dot maps dynamically. -- RHaworth 04:58, 2005 May 9 (UTC)

Dialling codes
The format e.g. +44-1780 as currently used in the infobox looks very odd (hyphens are never used in UK telephone numbers). The generally used format in the UK, when showing the international prefix, is e.g. +44 (0)1780. Would anyone object if I changed them? -- Picapica 5 July 2005 08:43 (UTC)
 * Agree that it looks very odd. BT quotes local UK dialling codes as 01780, and uses spaces (but no zeroes) in international numbers as +44 1780. Vodafone appears to follow your format - although they have an extra space: +44 (0) 1780. And people using the +44 format in their mobiles don't have the zero either.  Should we have both local dialling code 01780 and international dialling code +44 1780 in the template as two separate entries perhaps? Mpntod July 5, 2005 09:40 (UTC)

Well, +44 (0)1780 -- with or without a space after the (0), more often without, I would say -- is, of course, the compromise format combining national code 01780 and international code +44 1780. It is widely used as such by British companies (my own employer, for one) in international correspondence. Though the question remains: is it equally widely understood? I would definitely prefer not to see two versions given for each code. If it were thought that the format +44 (0)1780 (though I still prefer it) is not generally understood, then I would favour giving just the national version: 01780 (that is, by the way, what de.wikipedia does for places in Germany). -- Picapica 5 July 2005 10:37 (UTC)
 * While +44 (0)1780 is widely understood, it is however strongly deprecated in official telecoms circles because trying to dial +4401780" will result in a failed call. Officially you are supposed to show both international format (+44 1780) and national format (01780) numbers. -- Arwel 6 July 2005 18:41 (UTC)

Template:oscoor
Template:oscoor has just been created. This enables GB (and Irish soon, I hope) Wikipedians to take advantage of the "Map sources" pages without having to mess with those nasty rightitude and wrongitude thingies. -- RHaworth 05:13, 2005 May 5 (UTC)

Template for Scotland
I copied the template for England (discussed above), and made changes to make it relevant to Scotland. Changes include that all councils in Scotland are unitary authorities now, so no need for Regions and Districts. Plus, after this election the constituencies are different for Westminister and Holyrood. (This will need a page listing the Holyrood constituencies separately). This is it here: Template:Infobox Scotland place. See Plockton for an example of it in use. Maccoinnich 15:15, Apr 16, 2005 (UTC)

 * Nicely done :-) 80N 17:46, Apr 16, 2005 (UTC)

Place names in the UK
I recently noted a page, Cromford railway station, which stated that it was "a railway station serving the village of Cromford in Derbyshire". I added slightly, so that it read "in Derbyshire, England". Is this an incorrect format for place names in the UK? Should it read "in Derbyshire, United Kingdom"? Essentially, I'm looking for a way to make sure that people know where something is; I don't like to expect people to recognize English counties, U.S. states, Canadian provinces, etc. Thanks, Meelar (talk) 01:02, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * I prefer the England link - I think most people in Derbyshire would prefer that to the UK. Brookie 07:03, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I think a link to the county is sufficient (having checked for possible ambiguity). If a reader has never heard of Lincolnshire, they always click on the link to find out what country it is in. -- RHaworth 11:50, 2005 May 8 (UTC)

Brit accents for Spoken
Anyone with a British accent (of any variety) fancy contributing to WikiProject Spoken Wikipedia? All the recordings I've heard so far sport American-esque accents, but it'd be nice to get a mix. — Matt Crypto 01:05, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Just like to add that this is important for articles that have lots of English terms and phrases. Whilst anyone is allowed to do any article, some more local entries may benefit from a slight accent! Greg Robson 19:58, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I've already contributed a few, Welsh language, Ruthin, [[Image:Fireworks_Music.ogg|Fireworks Music]]... -- Arwel 6 July 2005 18:41 (UTC)

FARC alert
Three (3!) UK-related Featured articles are listed on Featured article removal candidates They are far from perfect (compare the brilliant Blackadder or Doctor Who): given the tenor of WP:FARC recently, they all face a significant risk of being defeatured, so a little effort to clean them up and make them shine is called for. -- ALoan (Talk) 17:39, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Buckinghamshire
 * Have I Got News For You
 * Not The Nine O'Clock News

WikiProject General Election
The United Kingdom general elections are approaching. Considering the popularity and content growth which has resulted from high-interest topics such as the Pope, should we consider having a project to make Wikipedia the definitive source for information relating to the UK general election, in general, and this year's in particular? The national and international interest created by a closely contested and highly charged election tends to get people talking about it, and people like to know what they're talking about (or at least seem to ;-). If the media picked up on the quality of our articles relating to the election, we could harness this interest to bring more readers, editors and content. I personally consider this a great way to combine making Wikipedia better with making the election more interesting, and thus meaningful for people, not to mention the importance of neutral information regarding politics. Here are some things we could do: Any comments?
 * Create a WikiPortal for this year's election, to provide a nice interface to finding out more
 * Create custom articles for comparison of candidates, platforms, manifestos, etc. using templates.
 * Increase coverage of the developments as the election takes place.
 * Organise and promote election-night coverage (emphasise speed, etc)
 * I'd support increased coverage if you were willing to get it started. I'm not sure about all of the above points--how would comparison of candidates work in an encyclopedia, and could it possibly be kept NPOV?  But, yeah, we should also integrate the Wikinews coverage with it, wherever possible.  Manifestos can go on Wikisource.  Joe D (t) 23:00, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm always impressed by the speed with which Wikipedia is updated with current events. The election would be another opportunity to showcase this and highlight one of Wikipedia's strongest USPs.  However, currently we do seem to be very light on detail for many areas - List of Parliamentary constituencies in the United Kingdom for example shows very few constituency specific pages exist yet. 80N 08:26, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, Category:UK_Parliamentary_constituencies currently lists 137 articles (although not all are not actual constituencies, and some are very short - see City of York (constituency)). The historic 2001 BBC election coverage is excellent: taking one of the existing articles as a template (Reading East is quite good, I think), it should be fairly easy to create a couple of lines on the nature of the constituency and the 2001 and 1997 election results, with a blank table for the 2005 results.  Given the number of constituencies, some kind of bot could do it, I suppose - surely the results can't attract copyright (although the descriptions would).  -- ALoan (Talk) 21:19, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Wikinews has news coverage of the election campaign and already has a prepared story ready to run with the general election results (Results of 2005 United Kingdom General Election), complete with a table of the results in each of the constituencies, for updating by editors as the results come in. You can help Wikinews right now by deciding whether to leave the results table in alphabetical/numerical order as it stands, or to break it up into regions for ease of update when the results come in. Uncle G 02:38, 2005 Apr 23 (UTC)
 * I'm up for helping with this, the BBC does some categorisation by region (link). I would need templates for results with standard colours for each party and some standard if we want a page for for each constituency. Ideally some sort of template for the header, with rows in the table where we specify the name, colour (if req), party, votes, %age of votes and swing. Finally a template for the bottom with the winner, their majority and turnout. Then we can build something to match this (BBC News) and hopefully better it! Greg Robson 21:35, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia already has some pages to match the BBC page that you mention. See Birmingham Hodge Hill, for example.  And the Wikinews results article already has the constituencies broken down into regions.  (Or will have soon.  The task of splitting the list into regions is partway completed at the moment.)
 * There appear to be four parts to this task:
 * Creating the per-constituency articles in Wikipedia
 * Interwiki linking the row in the table at Wikinews:Wikinews:Story preparation/Results of 2005 United Kingdom General Election on Wikinews to the per-constituency articles on Wikipedia
 * Filling in the gain/lose/hold tables at Wikinews:Wikinews:Story preparation/Results of 2005 United Kingdom General Election on Wikinews as the results are declared
 * Filling in the detailed analysis and results in the Wikipedia per-constituency articles
 * With those four, we can, by combining Wikinews and Wikipedia, equal the BBC's coverage.
 * The first two tasks can be done right now. (List of Parliamentary constituencies in the United Kingdom is out of date and incorrect.  The list on Wikinews is up-to-date, however.  So by interwiki linking each each constituency on the Wikinews list to a Wikipedia article as it is created, effectively using Wikinews as a "to-do" list, you can kill two birds with one stone.)  The third task is the highest priority on the day of the election itself when the results are coming in.  And the fourth task can be completed at leisure afterwards. Uncle G 03:13, 2005 Apr 24 (UTC)
 * I agree entirely, if we can use the prettytable template (see Template talk:Prettytable for usage) and then colour boxes to represent each party (like the BBC) then we can really show what Wikipedia is capable of! And getting a link on the front page for In the news would be a bonus. I can't help out until Friday however as I have essays and deadlines to meet! Greg Robson 08:01, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I've verified List of Parliamentary constituencies in the United Kingdom against the ONS list. It is now correct and up-to-date, but still includes the 13 Scottish constituencies as they are current until at least May 5th, not sure exactly when they should be removed. 80N 11:14, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * It's not that 13 have to removed - 72 have to be removed, and 59 new ones put in. It should probably be done asap, as after all, those are the seats that are being fought on at the moment and the old ones no longer have any MPs. Maccoinnich 20:45, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * I have mocked up a template in my sandpit: User:GregRobson/sandpit. Colours are taken from the BBC stylesheet (scroll down to the lines beginning #constituencyresults). It's basic and informative. All feedback appreciated Greg Robson 17:58, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * To be honest I prefer my version which can be found on Politics of the Isle of Wight (which I have not as yet implemented for the 1997 election. --Neo 18:23, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * I like NeilTarrant's better - but Greg, since you said you got the colours from the BBC site, I would prefer to use those. The colours for the various political parties are done through a series of templates, British politics/party colours/party name. These should be updated with BBC's colours. Talrias (t | e | c) 18:54, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't mind which colours we use, I would say that the colours that the parties use are the most correct though. The BBC probably have to consider that no colour should stand out among the others otherwise they may be accused of bias. I think it's probably best to be faithful to the party colours. Greg Robson 20:14, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * See also Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_UK_Parliamentary_Constituencies and User:Warofdreams/Electiontemplate, neither of which are as nice as Greg's and Neil's. 80N 21:45, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Here's my attempt at a template, combining ideas from NeilTarrant and Greg Robson and influenced by the style of the table at United_Kingdom_general_election%2C_2005. 80N 00:31, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * I've bitten the bullet and created a set of pukka templates, see Template:Election box. For an example of it in use see Bethnal Green and Bow.  If anyone has ideas for making it even better then please contribute over on the template talk page. 80N 15:26, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)

 * A quick question - a sampling of the five constituencies in Edinburgh shows that each has a list of candidates, and without exception only one of those candidates has a link on each page. Is it worth creating stubs for some of the others? The problem is that "is a candidate for election" is only borderline notable - looking at Edinburgh South, where I am just now, I'd guess only the Lib-Dem candidate has much to write about other than "is running in Edinburgh South", and even that is pretty limited. I guess most would amount to a three-line bio. Thoughts on whether or not it's worth it? Shimgray 21:41, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * It was decided on VfD that the mere act of running in a Canadian parliamentary election makes someone notable enough to have a Wikipedia article - so I'm sure you could write articles for each and every candidate if you so wished. As to whether anyone would ever want to read lots of articles about every candidate in the general election is, however, a separate question, jguk 21:51, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I created a page for a candidate - but only because its my father, Mike Tarrant. To be honest I think that we should only wikify links to sitting candidates, unless the person is well known enough to deserve a page for other reasons (e.g. Martin Bell). That is to say - if people want to create pages for candidates all well and good, but a list of red linked candidates on all pages does Wikipedia no good. --Neo 22:47, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * I've not done an exhaustive check, but there seems to be a page for every MP, and so the winner of each previous election will probably have a valid link and they'll probably also be a candidate for the current election. However, I doubt there is anything notable about someone who stands and gets only a few hundred votes, unless of course it's Screaming Lord Sutch. 80N 00:47, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, on the contrary, the general consensus on VFD as far as I've seen is deletion of people whose sole claim to fame is that they stood for an election and lost. Doing something else significant, or losing in particularly grand style like Screaming Lord Sutch, counts in favour of a person, of course.  But standing for an election without winning it is not, by itself, generally considered significant.  There are an awful lot of election losers Out There. ☺  I echo NeilTarrant's sentiment that lists of redlinked names of people are Bad Things.  They are invitations for the creations of biography articles that don't meet the criteria for inclusion of biographies and as such general menaces. Uncle G 02:38, 2005 Apr 28 (UTC)
 * I suggest that you test (with preview) to see if the candidates already have articles about them - some do because they've gone on to be MEPs or simply have articles for other reasons. -- Joolz 15:51, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

You !$*& Scotsman
Whilst cleaning up after an anon, I came across the article Offensive terms per nationality. Its not the best article, but I was surprised to see there were no insults for the Scots, the Welsh or even the English (as opposed to British). Even more surprisingly I can't actually think of any myself. However it looks like an omission that people here would be able to correct. -- Solipsist 09:44, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I've added a few for scotsmen Brookie 16:34, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Um... yes... I've made the descriptions for Brookie's suggestions a little more NPOV, and added Jock. - MykReeve (T) (C) 17:01, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I thought that they were meant to be offensive! Oh dear - don't look at the Welsh! Brookie 19:46, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

UK versus U.K.
Where is it written that one should use UK rather than U.K. for British English articles? I can't find a mention of it in the MoS. Jooler 21:49, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I am not aware that there is any ruling on this. All I will say is that UK is very commonly used (like UTC) and so it may be that the version without full stops has become commonplace. Both are correct, but UK is more commonly used: Google Fight: U.K. vs UK. Greg Robson 16:42, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I, hailing from the UK, have never seen it spelt U.K. It is convention that dictates UK is correct. --Oldak Quill 21:47, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I, also hailing from the UK, have seen it spelt U.K., but not for a very long time. -- Arwel 23:31, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I shall quote from the Bloomsbury Grammar Guide:
 * Full stops following abbreviations and contractions were also in general use until very recently. The tendency now is to omit full stops here.
 * The guide actually list U.K./UK as an example of this. Both would appear to be correct, but UK is now the more commonly used. I hope this helps. Rje 12:13, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * It's a matter of typographical fashion. There is a fashion in the USA, supported by various rules of style, to use full stops or period in abbreviations, and in the UK the fashion is to present them unadorned and let the reader work it out for himself. Thus you'll often see "Mr." in US newspaper headlines and "Mr" in UK newspapers referring to the same person.  Today's LA Times contains a headline referring to the "U.S." Today's Guardian contains a headline referring to the "UK".  There are exceptions to these trends on both sides of the Atlantic. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 12:37, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * UK with no stops seems more natural to me as a Brit! Brookie 18:21, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The MoS contains a bit of American nationalism - because the abbreviation "US" refers to their country some Americans (though by no means all) think they should dictate to all users of Wikipedia that we must use American English punctuation when using the abbreviation and must always write "U.S.". However, as the above WPians have noted, current writing outside North America has a tendency towards less punctuation. So most (but not all) British writers use the forms "US", "UK", "GB", etc. The reason the MoS does not require that all articles should favour "UK" over "U.K." is because such requirements are silly: why should an article written in standard American English with standard American English punctuation suddenly be required to refer to the "UK" rather than the "U.K."? It's just a shame that there is a reactionary American nationalist movement that blocks the deletion from the MoS of the equally ridiculous suggestion that all references should be to the "U.S." rather than the "US". Kind regards, jguk 19:03, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

British cuisine - needs a rewrite
This article is pretty rubbish actually. I've rewritten the first para, but it needs a complete overhaul. Jooler 15:42, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I have volunteered to do History of British cuisine, at some point soon, maybe the rest of it. I probably should do Scottish beer first now have done English beer and (rather brief at the moment) Welsh beer. Justinc 16:52, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

UK general election - request for help
With just a week to go now until the general election, we could really do with lots of help to get the 650+ constituency pages ready.

The groundwork has been done and there are templates and election result data ready to use. We just need lots of help prepping each page. Full details of how you can help are here: WikiProject UK Parliamentary Constituencies.

At the very least, have a look at the page for your own constituency and check it for accuracy.

Any and all help will be very much appreciated. 80N 05:08, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)

 * Ok I've created three constituencies, but I'm a bit worried as there seems to be a bit of confusion over the use of templates in the main wikipedia; Some duplication of constituencies created by User:Uncle G; similar duplication of pages containing party colours; (also the meta data templates use the American spelling for colour/color). Jooler 12:03, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Update

 * As at 19:51, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC), 72 constituencies (11%) are election ready. Thanks to everyone who has been helping today, however, at this rate of progress it will take 10 days.  That means we'll be done on May 7th, which is three days too late!  We really, really need everyone to do what they can to help! 80N 20:06, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)

 * As at 08:30, Apr 30, 2005 (UTC), we are a quarter of the way done. Great work by everyone who is helping. If we can get more help like we've had in the last couple of days, we might just be done in time!  BTW no special knowledge is required to help, there are prepared templates and information sources for everything that needs doing.  Its just article editing. 80N 08:30, Apr 30, 2005 (UTC)

How you can help on election day
Also see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Parliamentary Constituencies/Progress. Uncle G 13:37, 2005 May 5 (UTC)
 * Update the election results at Wikinews. See Wikinews:Talk:Results of 2005 United Kingdom General Election.
 * Update each constituency's detailed election results with the exact vote tallies. See WikiProject_UK_Parliamentary_Constituencies/Progress.

Talk:Ministry of Defence (United Kingdom)

 * A request that readers to this noticeboard look at the requested move on this talk page. Jooler 22:10, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Yoghurt renamed to yogurt
Thanks for the heads-up. I've moved it back. (Some sneaky person had tried to stop it being moved back by editing the redirect, so I just deleted it.) Proteus (Talk) 12:12, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Unfortunately they haven't given up. The latest ploy is a listing on Requested moves... -- Derek Ross | Talk 04:13, May 12, 2005 (UTC)

Hi
Just wanted to pop in and say "hi" and that I've come back. However I'm not going to be participating to the same extent as I was before I went away for wikibreak and I see this is still ticking over (though someone should archive some of this talk page!) so I'm still going to be taking it easy. But hi to anyone who missed me. -- Francs2000 | Talk 00:28, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

WikiProject Cricket/Collaboration of the fortnight
WikiProject Cricket is launching a collaboration of the fortnight. All cricket-loving Wikipedians are invited to come along and help choose our first collaboration and, of course, to help in the collaboration itself.

Also, if you are interested in helping improve and expand WP's cricket coverage, please feel free to sign up to the Cricket WikiProject. Kind regards, jguk 18:41, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Milton Keynes Dons
Would any UK Wikipedian interested in football care to contact me about helping with a rewrite of Milton Keynes Dons F.C. (aka what used to be Wimbledon F.C.) - the article's in quite a sorry state after a series of POV edits and could do with a complete going over. Ta. Qwghlm 23:47, May 20, 2005 (UTC)

Birmingham article
There seems to be an endless edit war going on at the Birmingham article between User:Nick Boulevard (who often edits anonymously) and User:Pigsonthewing (and some anon who claims not to be the latter) who all seem to be stubbonly warring with each other.

We had this war before some months ago, but then Pigsonthewing left, but now he's back again and its all started again.

Frankly I'm very tired of this, so I though I would bring it to everone's attention, and was wondering if some brave person would like to try and mediate and sort it all out, several people have tried (including me) with little success, and the article has had to be protected at several occasions in the past.

G-Man 23:29, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Matters are worsening with the arrival of Babyoil -- on whom, please see the section below on Glasgow. -- Hoary 07:44, 2005 May 25 (UTC)

I put in a brief reference yesterday to Louis MacNeice having taught at Birmingham uni, which User:Nick Boulevard removed (because if he sees anything added to an article he doesn't like, he just reverts the lot whether anyone else has added to it or not), it was restored in another revert this morning (by the anon G-Man mentions above). On the other hand, Nick seems to have decided I'm Andy Mabbett, as is everyone else he doesn't like. Maybe he thinks Louis MacNeice is Andy Mabbett. There was a similar spat on Brummie and Brummagem, Nick's very resistant to anyone changing "his" articles, especially if he thinks what they are adding gives a negative impression of Birmingham. The solution there was for other people who he hadn't developed a grudge against to get involved, and hold him to standards of proof and NPOV. The Birmingham article is in a state at the moment, but I'm not going anywhere near it again until Nick is behaving sensibly - if he deletes the MacNeice edit, so be it. I'm going to add the article to the list of ones needing improvement, in the hope that someone else will have a go. They'll have to be patient. --Andrew Norman 09:31, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

 * For "edit war", read "people are trying to correct some of the rubbish posted by Nick Boulevard. Of course, if I'm wrong, others (inlcuding G-man) will be able to defend Nick's additions and reversions, point by point. Don't hold your breath... Andy Mabbett 23:40, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Note also User talk:Nick Boulevard, where Nick anounces that he is going to "riase his game". Andy Mabbett 23:47, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I second (third, or whatever) the feeling of general exhaustion. He's now accusing me also of being Andy Mabbett. The problem is focused on Birmingham, but it extends across every Birmingham-related article he frequents. Science and invention in Birmingham is typical; I dread what he'll make of that, after I've weeded out in his absence all the unverified claims and the plain wrong ones (usually "X was first invented in Birmingham" factoids where X turns out to have been invented in Oslo 30 years previously).

 * Yes, it has turned into a bit of a deathmatch between Nick and Pigsonthewing. But I almost always agree with the latter's edits. I think disagreement between the Birmingham-related editors would be soluble if it weren't for Nick apparently writing whatever comes into his head, never citing sources, always hyping Birmingham (what everyone else sees as NPOV, he sees as anti-Birmingham) and reverting and letting off a page of rant when - as it's bound to be with such poor standards of proof - it's heavily edited or deleted.

 * As Andrew Norman mentions, being exhaustive about standards of proof is vaguely helpful, but I resent having to write an essay on Talk page to justify every small edit.

 * I agree also that his failure to revert specifically, so other people's edits on non-related points are lost, is also a serious annoyance. I've been asking him till I'm blue in the face to read and follow Wikipedia guidelines, but it just isn't soaking in. RayGirvan 03:37, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I preusme you've mentioned your comments on his talk page? If so, have you tried an RfC? Thryduulf 08:41, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Been there, done that, got the T-shirt. He has also been advised to go read the NPOV guidelines by Angela (the member of the board of trustees who welcomed him, and to whom he's complained about persecution and - ahem - underplayed the extent of his copyvios - I ended up copying and posting a few short sentences - see here) That's probably what he means by the trick ... with a wiki member. RayGirvan 09:50, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * He acknowledged that copy vio was wrong, on his talk page, in May 2004:
 * when i first started to work on Wikipedia as do many people i expect re: copy 'n' paste then thinking it was ok by editing the work myself, i soon realised it was wrong and now i only submit my own work which is quite extensive on the page
 * Andy Mabbett 10:14, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Unfortunately that swings to a different extreme. I'd still like to believe it's a misunderstanding. Nick currently doesn't seem to appreciate that there's a middle way - paraphrasing, and selective quotes - between outright copyvio and just writing unsourced stream-of-consciousness. RayGirvan 11:20, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I do actually have a little trick up my sleeve with a wiki member - this seems to be bluster at the moment, but if the abuse starts again I would certainly support an RfC. There is plenty of evidence of abusive reverts, personal abuse, dozens of copyright violations, explicit rejection of NPOV, and so on.  I'm hoping "raise my game" means "start acting sensibly, citing sources and accepting that Wikipedia is not my personal website about why Brum is utterly fantastic", but I'm not hopeful. --Brumburger 09:00, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I would certainly support an RfC. I concur. For the moment, I'm going to stop arguing with him (the reams he writes at the drop of a hat suggests that, like many nuisances, he likes the process of argument) and be stringent about providing, and demanding, sources. In any case, I'm shifting back to normal job hours, so have less time to argue the toss. RayGirvan 09:50, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * In the light of Nick Boulevard's continued provocation, ranging from juvenile name- calling to false and malicious allegations, I'd like to know what steps can be taken (RFC or otherwise?) to discourage if not stop, such abuse, which is clearly contrary to policy. Should I do something, or leave it to a neutral third party? Andy Mabbett 11:44, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * See Requests for comment, section General user conduct. I'd support one. Yep: I agree about the third party. That would defend against the obvious cheap shot of his claiming it to be just an escalation of a personal dispute. RayGirvan 12:09, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I'll write an RfC, the next time he reverts the Birmingham page or any of the related ones (which, judging by his most recent comments, will be soon). May have to wait until next week, though.  I see he still thinks I'm you, but we only need two people to support an RfC.  --Brumburger 11:53, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * You might be interested in User_talk:82.96.100.100. The recent blissful two-day absence seems to have been down to a block for vandalism. RayGirvan 15:05, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I think it would be courteous to offer G-Man 'first refusal', to be your "seconder", as he raised the issue here. Andy Mabbett 15:20, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * The more people who support an RfC the better - I think we can probably get at least four of us (or two in Nick's world, as he hasn't yet reached the stage of thinking you and G-Man are the same person!). I'll sort something out early next week when I have time.  --Brumburger 10:54, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The Birmingham page has been protected for the time being. G-Man 21:28, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Reversion frenzy started again as 195.92.67.65. RayGirvan 18:31, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * As did the defamatory allegations. Andy Mabbett 22:05, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * And then at 23:23, as Nick Boulevard. Andy Mabbett 22:49, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Also at 22:59 as 195.92.67.69 Andy Mabbett 22:13, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

RfC initiated The RfC re Nick Boulevard is now live at Requests_for_comment/Nick_Boulevard. Since NB is currently soliciting help I don't feel much guilt about doing likewise. What it specifically needs is signatories to the effect that at least two people need to show that they tried to resolve a dispute with this user and have failed. RayGirvan 20:50, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Glasgow
WP has a newish, very keen and I suspect rather young Glaswegian contributor, Babyoil. He's particularly keen to improve the article on Glasgow. But almost every edit he makes strikes me as unfortunate. (The history will reveal all. Note the use of an IP number before the new username.) Yes, on occasion he does introduce new material that is, or might be, worthwhile; but this tends to be garbled and even when it looks OK I have no faith in its veracity. This is not willful vandalism: it's more like what I would have done at the age of 12 to an article about my own area. I really have no idea of what to do; but perhaps somebody who, unlike me, can claim to know Glasgow at first hand can exert an avuncular influence here.

Babyoil has been warned on his talk page and has sometimes replied politely enough -- but doesn't seem to have cottoned on. (He has since deleted some of these warnings.)

Babyoil's interests extend to Edinburgh, Birmingham, and any other British city that might in some way rival Glasgow: I, in Tokyo, am not familiar with any of them. (And I fear that, in his wobbly way, he will soon attempt to explain within the Milan article that that city is the Glasgow of the south, etc, etc.) -- Hoary 07:44, 2005 May 25 (UTC)

The Ashes
The current Cricket collaboration of the fortnight is The Ashes, please come help out.

Proposal for collaborating on counties etc
I'm dissapointed with the quality of some of the articles on counties and am proposing collaborating on getting them up to scratch. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK subdivisions if you're interested. Joe D (t) 17:10, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

 * OK, this is now at a new wikiproject, WikiProject UK geography. Joe D (t) 12:24, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Diss
Could someone knowledgable check on the city of Diss article. It is described as being a "seperatist stronghold". Thanks. func (talk) 22:33, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I've reverted the paragraph which didn't use encyclopedic language (refering to the train service) and was POV. As for the "seperatist stronghold" I don't know what it refers to, either seperation of Norfolk from the UK which seems very unlikely that anyone in Diss advocates, let alone it being a stronghold, more likely it's talking about the UK and EU - possibly UKIP does well in Diss, however I still don't think the term is useful so it's gone. -- Joolz 22:49, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Yep: someone's having a joke. I loved the earlier claim that its name derives from Dis in Dante's The Divine Comedy. There's plenty of real background at Diss Online]. RayGirvan 23:18, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Oops, I completely skimmed over that part! -- Joolz 00:49, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I suspect that this same person, (under more than one IP address), is the author of two hoax articles, currently on VfD, Votes for deletion/Jonathan Sharpe and Votes for deletion/Charles Mason (Revolutionary). func (talk) 23:29, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)


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Do You Want to Know a Secret

"Do You Want to Know a Secret" is a song by English rock band the Beatles from their 1963 album Please Please Me, sung by George Harrison. In the United States, it was the first top ten song to feature Harrison as a lead singer, reaching No. 2 on the Billboard chart in 1964 as a single released by Vee-Jay, VJ 587. In the UK, Billy J. Kramer released a cover of the song as his debut single, reaching No. 1 on the NME singles chart and No. 2 on the Record Retailer chart.

Composition
"Do You Want to Know a Secret", written in autumn 1962, was primarily composed by John Lennon but credited to Lennon–McCartney. The 1963 version by Billy J. Kramer with the Dakotas (a UK No. 2) credited the composition to "McCartney–Lennon". The song was inspired by "I'm Wishing", a tune from Walt Disney’s 1937 animated film Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs which Lennon's mother, Julia, would sing to him as a child. The first two lines of the song in Disney's movie ("Want to know a secret? Promise not to tell?") come right after the opening lyrics ("You'll never know how much I really love you... You'll never know how much I really care..."). McCartney has said it was a "50–50 collaboration written to order", i.e., for Harrison to sing, but Lennon, who always claimed the song as his own, explained in a 1980 interview that he had realized as soon as he had finished writing the song that it best suited Harrison.

Recording
In 1980, Lennon said that he gave "Do You Want to Know a Secret" to Harrison to sing because "it only had three notes and he wasn't the best singer in the world", but added "he has improved a lot since then." The song was recorded as part of their marathon ten-hour recording session on 11 February 1963 along with nine other songs for Please Please Me. Harrison sang two songs on Please Please Me—this song by Lennon–McCartney and "Chains" by Goffin/King. "Don't Bother Me" would be Harrison's debut composition and appeared on the Beatles' next UK album With the Beatles.

Harrison and Lennon both played acoustic guitars on the recording in different channels – on the stereo mix, Harrison's guitar was panned to the right channel while Lennon's was panned to the left.

Single release
"Do You Want to Know a Secret" was released a year later as a single by Vee-Jay in the United States on 23 March 1964, reaching the number two spot behind "Hello, Dolly!" by Louis Armstrong in Billboard, reaching number three on the Cash Box chart, but reaching number one for two weeks in the chart published by the Teletheatre Research Institute. In the U.S., it was the most successful Beatles song on which Harrison sang lead vocal until "Something" peaked at No. 1 as part of a double-sided number one hit with "Come Together" in 1969.

Personnel

 * George Harrison – lead vocals, acoustic guitar (right channel)
 * John Lennon – acoustic guitar (left channel), backing vocals
 * Paul McCartney – bass guitar, backing vocals
 * Ringo Starr – drums, tapped drumsticks

Engineered by Norman Smith

Personnel per Walter Everett and John Winn

The Billy J. Kramer version
The Beatles' version was never released as a single in the UK, where a cover version by Billy J. Kramer with the Dakotas (released b/w "I'll Be on My Way", Parlophone R5023, 26 April 1963) reached number two in the Record Retailer chart, and hit number one in the NME chart (used by Radio Luxembourg) and the BBC's Pick of the Pops chart, which were more widely recognised at the time. It appeared on his album, Little Children. It reached number eight in the Irish Singles Chart.

Other cover versions
Alvin and the Chipmunks covered the song for their 1964 album The Chipmunks Sing the Beatles Hits.

Santo and Johnny, Count Basie and His Orchestra, Mary Wells, Keely Smith, Sonny Curtis, Bobby Vee, The Johnny Mann Singers, The Ray Charles Singers, Sharon Clark, Fairground Attraction, and The Hollyridge Strings also recorded the song.

Swedish actress and recording artist Anita Lindblom recorded a Swedish-language version titled "Lyssna (vill du veta vad jag tänker?)" for her 1968 album Sån't är livet.

The song reached the No. 1 position on Billboard in 1981 and No. 2 in the United Kingdom as part of the cover-medley "Stars on 45".

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Vajdahunyad

Vajdahunyad is the Hungarian name for Hunedoara in Romania.

It may also refer to:

 * The Castle of Vajdahunyad, in Hunedoara
 * Vajdahunyad Castle, in Budapest, Hungary

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A Taste of Honey (song)

"A Taste of Honey" is a pop standard written by Bobby Scott and Ric Marlow. It was originally an instrumental track (or recurring theme) written for the 1960 Broadway version of the 1958 British play A Taste of Honey which was also made into the film of the same name in 1961. The original and a later recording by Herb Alpert in 1965 earned the song four Grammy Awards.

A vocal version of the song proved successful for Lenny Welch in mid-1962.

Instrumental versions
The original recorded versions of the song "A Taste of Honey", "A Taste of Honey (refrain)" and "A Taste of Honey (closing theme)", appeared on Bobby Scott's 1960 album, also titled A Taste of Honey, on Atlantic 1355. The composition won Best Instrumental Theme at the Grammy Awards of 1963.

 * Martin Denny, Eddie Cano and the Victor Feldman Quartet each scored minor hits in 1962 with their covers.
 * Acker Bilk released a version in the UK in January 1963, reaching number 16 in the UK Singles Chart.
 * Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass recorded the most popular instrumental version of the song with a cover on their 1965 album, Whipped Cream & Other Delights. This recording won four awards including Record of the Year at the Grammy Awards of 1966. The instrumental spent five weeks at number one on the easy listening chart, reached number seven on the Billboard Hot 100, and number 4 in Canada. This version is noted for the eight drum beats before the tempo increased, intended as an editing cue to be removed in the final version, but Alpert decided to keep it in.

Vocal versions
The first vocal version of "A Taste of Honey" was recorded in 1961 by Billy Dee Williams from his album Let's Misbehave.

The Beatles
The Beatles performed Lenny Welch's adaptation as part of their repertoire in 1962, slightly changing the lyrics in the chorus. Because the instrumental version by Acker Bilk was popular in the United Kingdom at the time, the song was chosen to be recorded for their 1963 debut album, Please Please Me. A version from that time was released in 1977 on the album Live! at the Star-Club in Hamburg, Germany; 1962.

In the US, this song first appeared on the Vee-Jay Records album Introducing... The Beatles. They also performed "A Taste of Honey" seven times for BBC radio shows, including Here We Go, Side by Side, and Easy Beat. In 1967, McCartney was inspired to compose “Your Mother Should Know” based on a line taken from the screenplay.

Personnel

 * Paul McCartney – lead vocals, bass
 * John Lennon – acoustic guitar, backing vocals
 * George Harrison – lead guitar, backing vocals
 * Ringo Starr – brushed drums

Engineered by Norman Smith

Barbra Streisand
Barbra Streisand recorded the song for her debut record "The Barbra Streisand Album", produced by Mike Berniker in 1963.

Personnel

 * The Supremes
 * Jean Terrell – lead vocals
 * Mary Wilson – vocals
 * Cindy Birdsong – vocals
 * The Four Tops
 * Levi Stubbs – lead vocals
 * Abdul "Duke" Fakir – vocals
 * Lawrence Payton – vocals
 * Renaldo "Obie" Benson – vocals

Other artists

 * In 1964 jazz singer Morgana King released a version which became her signature song.
 * Tony Bennett reached #94 in the US with a vocal version for his album The Many Moods of Tony in 1964. His version of "A Taste of Honey" was recorded on September 11, 1963, accompanied by the Ralph Sharon Trio, and arranged by Dick Hyman.

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User talk:Blackjackd

Please do not post copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder. See Copyrights. Copyright violations are unacceptable and persistent violators will be blocked. Your original contributions are welcome. Gamaliel 20:48, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Please do not remove copyvio notices. You can write a new article on the temp page as the notice instructs. Gamaliel 22:50, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Multichannel

This article need not be merged with multichannel audio but the definition of the word itself should not be limited to its audio application, since multichannel is an adjective which describes and includes more than one channel of things other than audio, specifically in the realm of visual material, where it can be used to describe multiple streams of video on cable, for example (hence the name of the trade publication for cable, Multichannel News) or in multiple camera shoots, as in televising a sporting event or a soap opera and in several other technical broadcasting uses (witness some 600,000 Google entries on the word 'multichannel video.")

Multichannel is also used to describe in a work of video art where more than one stream of video is being used simultaneously in a video installation. From this origin, it is sometimes used to describe works that divide a visual frame in any form. Hence, split screen would be a subgenre of multichannel, as are film installation, web graphics, commercials, interstitial materials and music videos which divide up the frame, usually using digital technology, to create effects and/or make their point.

Lastly, multichannel can be combined with the word 'narrative' to describe works in which multiple visual streams are combined to create a narrative form. In multichannel narrative, the interrelationships of these simultaneous images for the basis for its storytelling. Several recent films go beyond mere split-screen and use this capacity as an inherent part of the story itself.

In my opinion, this page could be best used as a jumping off point for discussing the variety, history and technology of these forms.

 * I've merged and redirected for now - feel free to create an article with the information above and link across to the audio page. I don't know the subjects well enough to do so. Kcordina Talk 14:41, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

 * When I merged Multichannel audio into Surround sound, I converted this Multichannel page into a disambiguation page. This was because it wasn't sensible for it to #REDIRECT to Surround sound (or anywhere else).  If Kcordina or somebody else wants to convert the disambiguation page into an article on "multichannel", along the lines suggested above, then they are welcome to try.  Martin.leese 22:58, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Template standardisation

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was speedy keep; 60 people voted for different proposals (See vote results). Reform should take place on talk pages, not VfD. Talrias (t | e | c) 01:10, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Template standardisation
This is instruction creep. It makes no sense whatsoever to standardize the color of templates. On the contrary, the rest of the world out there (afk and online designers) are talking about color coding and user-friendliness. Fenice 20:48, 17 July 2005 (UTC) I have also done some research on how this guideline was set up: the choice of having different colors was not even presented, and the voting system excluded opposing votes.--Fenice 21:22, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Um, no. Keep.  This is a worthy attempt to bring some kind of order to a horrendous mess.  It was chosen in a fair vote.  You, Fenice, are only making this allegation because it disagrees with you.  There are ways to change policy/guideline.  VfD ain't one. smoddy 20:52, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep, obviously. May I also assume that most of the people that voted are also wanting this to be kept.  violet/riga (t) 21:01, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep. Any disagreement with this page should be addressed in another way. Maurreen 21:32, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep. I do not agree with the Template Standardisation guideline, but seeking deletion of the page is not the way to go about expressing disagreement. Courtland 21:42, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep. This is in Wikipedia namespace and not an encyclopedia article, but apparently, an established style guideline. I am no fan of this template standardization, but I believe that guidelines are out of the scope of Vfds'. See the deletion policy.  Vfd'' is not the right place to propose changes to or removal of guidelines: the page should be retained in any case, even if a decision is made to remove the policy, purely as a matter of the  record Wikipedians can all see. --Mysidia 21:54, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

 * No, I checked this. You can list guidelines according to the deletion policy. It makes no sense to keep a guideline forever, does it?--Fenice 22:02, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep. (Dare I say spurious nomination?) This is a recent guideline supported by consensus and a vote. The transition to the new standardized format isn't even complete yet. --MarkSweep 22:16, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Camera Obscura (band)

Camera Obscura are a Scottish indie pop band from Glasgow. The group formed in 1996, and have released six studio albums to date. Led by primary singer and songwriter Tracyanne Campbell, the band consists of guitarist/vocalist Kenny McKeeve, bassist Gavin Dunbar, and drummer Lee Thomson. Following the death of long-serving keyboardist Carey Lander, the band went on hiatus from 2015 to 2018. After reuniting in 2019 and adding Donna Macioca as a permanent member, Camera Obscura released their first new album in 11 years, Look To The East, Look To The West, to critical acclaim.

The band's music has been frequently described as "twee pop", and garnered comparisons to fellow Scottish band Belle and Sebastian. The band have also been praised for their "honest, wide, and adult approach to heartbreak, romantic liaisons, and escapism".

History
Camera Obscura were formed in 1996 by Tracyanne Campbell, John Henderson and Gavin Dunbar. Several other members performed with the band before David Skirving joined as a permanent guitarist. Their first releases were the singles "Park and Ride" and "Your Sound" in 1998. The band's line-up changed in 2000 and 2001 when Lee Thomson joined as its permanent drummer, Lindsay Boyd joined as a keyboard player, and Skirving left and was replaced by Kenny McKeeve.

Camera Obscura's first album, Biggest Bluest Hi Fi, was released in 2001. The album was produced by Stuart Murdoch of Belle & Sebastian and was supported by John Peel. The first single from the album, "Eighties Fan", came in at number eight in the Festive Fifty in 2001, and charted in several independent music charts. Nigel Baillie joined the band as a trumpeter and percussionist in 2002 and Carey Lander replaced Boyd. In the summer of 2002, Peel asked the band to do their first Peel session.

The band's second album, Underachievers Please Try Harder, was released in 2003 and was followed by Camera Obscura's first full tour of Great Britain and Ireland and the band's first tour of the United States. Founding member John Henderson left Camera Obscura following this tour. In early 2004 the band recorded the songs "I Love My Jean" and "Red, Red Rose" following their third Peel session, in which Peel had asked them to put these poems by Robert Burns to music.

Camera Obscura recorded their third album, Let's Get Out of This Country, in Sweden over the course of two weeks with producer Jari Haapalainen. The album was released on 6 June 2006. The first single, "Lloyd, I'm Ready to Be Heartbroken", is an answer song to Lloyd Cole and the Commotions' song "Are You Ready to Be Heartbroken?"; it appears during the opening credits of the 2007 film, P.S. I Love You. The title song was featured in episode 5 of Friday Night Lights.

In February 2009 the band announced they had signed with 4AD. The new album, My Maudlin Career, was released in April 2009, and preceded by the first single "French Navy". London-based jewellery brand Tatty Devine created brooches and necklaces to coincide with the launch. The album was the band's first UK Top 40 success, and it also reached the top 40 in Ireland and the US Billboard 200. Around this time, the band announced that "due to family commitments (including being a proud dad) Nigel will no longer be a full time member of Camera Obscura".

On 18 April 2009, Camera Obscura released a special edition Record Store Day 7" called "French Navy" for independent record stores. "French Navy" was also used by Echo Falls, who are the sponsors of Come Dine with Me, at the start of each episode and during commercial breaks. Their album Desire Lines was produced by Tucker Martine and released by 4AD on 3 June 2013.

In 2015, the band cancelled planned gigs in North America due to the illness of Carey Lander. She was first diagnosed with osteosarcoma in 2011. She announced in 2015 that it had returned. Lander set up a JustGiving page for Sarcoma UK in order to raise awareness to the illness and lack of funding for research and treatment, and as of November 2015, the sum of donations is over £73,000. Carey Lander died on 11 October 2015.

In May 2018, while Campbell was promoting the self-titled debut album of Tracyanne & Danny, her new project with Danny Coughlan, she noted that she still kept in touch with the other members of Camera Obscura in the wake of Lander's passing, but the future of the band remained undiscussed. The song "Alabama" from the Tracyanne & Danny album is Campbell's tribute to Lander.

On 5 September 2018, Camera Obscura returned to live performance as part of the Boaty Weekender, a cruise festival curated by Belle & Sebastian sailing from Barcelona to Cagliari on 8–12 August 2019.

Prior to participating in the Boaty Weekender, the band announced a warm-up show at Saint Luke's & The Winged Ox in Glasgow on 5 August with proceeds donated to the Prince and Princess of Wales Hospice in memory of Carey Lander. After tickets for the show were sold out, the band added a second date with proceeds also being donated.

For these shows and the Boaty Weekender, the band brought in Donna Maciocia, formerly of Amplifico, to accompany the band on keyboards and backing vocals.

The band confirmed in May 2020 that they were preparing a new album, but had been forced to delay recording it due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

On 23 April 2022, the band released a new compilation album, Making Money, containing "hard-to-find B-sides", covers, a session recording and two remixes. The release was dedicated to the memory of previous band member Carey Lander

On 15 November 2023, the band announced 2024 tour dates, adding there would be "some new music" in support of it. In January 2024, the band announced their sixth studio album Look to the East, Look to the West. It was released on 3 May 2024. To coincide with the announcement, the album's lead single "Big Love" was released.

Current members

 * Tracyanne Campbell – lead vocals, guitar (1996–2015, 2018–present), percussion (1996–2004)
 * Gavin Dunbar – bass (1996–2015, 2018–present)
 * Lee Thomson – drums (2000–2015, 2018–present)
 * Kenny McKeeve – guitar, backing vocals (2001–2015, 2018–present)
 * Donna Maciocia – keyboards, backing vocals (2023–present; touring musician 2019)

Former members

 * John Henderson – lead and backing vocals, percussion (1996–2004)
 * David Skirving – guitar, backing vocals (1998–2001)
 * Richard Colburn – drums (1998–2000)
 * Lindsay Boyd – keyboards (2000–2002)
 * Nigel Baillie – trumpet, percussion (2002–2009)
 * Carey Lander – piano, keyboards, backing vocals (2002–2015; died 2015)

Former touring musicians

 * Frànçois Marry – trumpet, percussion, guitar (2003–2009)
 * Tim Cronin – trumpet, percussion (2009–2015)

Compilations and EPs

 * Rare UK Bird (December 1999, Quattro) Japan-only
 * 4AD Sessions EP (19 April 2014, 4AD) Record Store Day
 * Making Money (23 April 2022, 4AD) Record Store Day

Other contributions

 * Acoustic 07 (2007, V2 Records) – "Let's Get Out of This Country"
 * The Saturday Sessions: The Dermot O'Leary Show (2007, EMI) – "Super Trouper"

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Cohiba

Cohiba may refer to:
 * Cohiba (cigar brand)
 * Cohiba (cigarette)

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CJCH-DT

CJCH-DT (channel 5) is a television station in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada, part of the CTV Television Network. Owned and operated by network parent Bell Media, the station maintains studios on Robie and Russell Streets in Halifax, and its transmitter is located on Washmill Lake Drive on the city's west side.

CJCH-DT is the flagship of the CTV Atlantic regional system, producing all of the system's programming except for some commercials and local news inserts on the other stations.

History
CJCH-TV first went on the air on January 1, 1961, as an independent station, and it became one of the original CTV stations when the network began operations on October 1, 1961. CHUM Limited sold CJCH-TV along with ATV and the Atlantic Satellite Network (ASN) to Baton Broadcasting (CTV) on February 26, 1997 (with CRTC approval given on August 28, 1997 ), but kept CJCH radio. CTVglobemedia's acquisition of CHUM Limited on June 22, 2007, brought CJCH-TV and CJCH radio back under common ownership.

Notable former on-air staff

 * Gord Martineau – brief stay before heading to Citytv flagship station CITY-DT in Toronto
 * Steve Murphy – weeknight anchor (retired November 30, 2021)

Analogue-to-digital conversion
The station ceased broadcasting in analogue on August 31, 2011, and began broadcasting in digital on the same date.

Transmitters

 * The Bridgetown transmitter was among a long list of CTV rebroadcasters nationwide to shut down on or before August 31, 2009, as part of a political dispute with Canadian authorities on paid fee-for-carriage requirements for cable television operators. A subsequent change in ownership assigned full control of CTVglobemedia to Bell Canada; as of 2011, these transmitters remain in normal licensed broadcast operation.

On February 11, 2016, Bell Media applied for its regular license renewals, which included applications to delete a long list of transmitters, including CJCH-TV-2 and CJCH-TV-8. Bell Media's rationale for deleting these analog repeaters is below:

"We are electing to delete these analog transmitters from the main licence with which they are associated. These analog transmitters generate no incremental revenue, attract little to no viewership given the growth of BDU or DTH subscriptions and are costly to maintain, repair or replace. In addition, none of the highlighted transmitters offer any programming that differs from the main channels. The Commission has determined that broadcasters may elect to shut down transmitters but will lose certain regulatory privileges (distribution on the basic service, the ability to request simultaneous substitution) as noted in Broadcasting Regulatory Policy CRTC 2015–24, Over-the-air transmission of television signals and local programming. We are fully aware of the loss of these regulatory privileges as a result of any transmitter shutdown."

At the same time, Bell Media applied to convert the licenses of CTV 2 Atlantic (formerly ASN) and CTV 2 Alberta (formerly ACCESS) from satellite-to-cable undertakings into television stations without transmitters (similar to cable-only network affiliates in the United States), and to reduce the level of educational content on CTV 2 Alberta.

On July 30, 2019, Bell Media was granted permission to close down two additional transmitters as part of Broadcasting Decision CRTC 2019-268. The transmitters for CJCH-TV-3 and CJCH-TV-4 will be shut down by December 3, 2021.

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There's a Place

"There's a Place" is a song by the English rock band the Beatles from their debut album, Please Please Me, released in March 1963. It was written primarily by John Lennon and credited to McCartney–Lennon. In the United States, the song was released in July 1963 on the group's first US LP, Introducing... The Beatles, later reissued in January 1964 as Beatlemania surged there. It was also issued as a non-album single in the US, in March 1964, as the B-side to "Twist and Shout", reaching number 74 in the Billboard Hot 100.

Lennon said that "There's a Place" was his attempt at writing a song in the Motown style. According to Paul McCartney, the song's title phrase originated from "There's a Place for Us", from the soundtrack album to the 1961 film West Side Story. The song's lyrics relate to the singer's ability to overcome his loneliness by retreating into the haven of his mind.

"There's a Place" has received a favourable response from several music critics. Some reviewers admire its harmonies and recognise the lyrics as exhibiting a depth not found in contemporaneous pop songs. Some have seen it as anticipating the later introspection of the Beatles and Lennon in particular, heard in songs like "I'm Only Sleeping" and "Tomorrow Never Knows".

Background
Among Beatles biographers and historians, Mark Lewisohn, Walter Everett, Tim Riley and Mark Hertsgaard credit John Lennon as the main writer of "There's a Place". In a 1971 interview, Lennon identifies the song as having been written by himself. He recalled in 1980 that he was attempting to write a "Motown, black thing", with the lyrics saying "the usual Lennon things". Music critic Ian MacDonald speculates that he was referring to the Isley Brothers, but comments that this influence is not readily apparent on the final recording. Everett also does not consider the song to be especially Motown-influenced, but draws a comparison between soul singer Arthur Alexander and the Marvelettes' 1961 version of "I Want a Guy".

In his 1997 authorised biography, Many Years from Now, Paul McCartney instead recalls co-writing the song with Lennon in the front room of his childhood home, 20 Forthlin Road, "but with a bias towards being [his] original idea". Explaining that he owned a copy of the soundtrack album to the 1961 film West Side Story, composed by Leonard Bernstein and Stephen Sondheim, McCartney says that he drew the phrase "There's a Place" from the soundtrack's song "There's a Place for Us". The songs diverged in that while "There's a Place for Us" refers to a place "round the back of the stairs for a kiss and a cuddle", the Beatles' song refers to "the mind".

Composition
"There's a Place" is in the key of E major and in 4/4 time. Unusually short for the Beatles, the song features only one bridge. Everett writes that it borrows aspects from the band's earlier songs. For example, he writes it takes "two-bar groupings that embellish I with an alternating IV" from the chorus of "Love Me Do" and adds it to the song's first verse. From "Please Please Me", it uses the same octave spanning lines of George Harrison on guitar and Lennon on harmonica. The song's opening bass note, hitting a natural B, is "nearly identical" to that of "Please Please Me". Like many of the band's early singles, the song features a harmonica, playing with the vocals of the bridge like is heard on "Ask Me Why".

Lennon and McCartney sing the song as a two-part harmony in fourths and fifths, with Lennon singing the low part and McCartney the high. McCartney's high vocal stops at the end of the first and third verses, leaving Lennon momentarily alone on lead vocal, adding what musicologist Alan W. Pollack calls "trill-like ornaments". George Harrison provides a backing vocal, singing with McCartney while Lennon sings the lead during the variant verse following the first verse.

The song's lyrics are written in the form of a first-person narrative. The singer declares his self-sufficiency, being able to transcend loneliness by retreating into his mind. Rather than having different verses, the lyrics repeat the verse line, serving to emphasize the song's theme. Pollack describes the song as "paradoxically quite tense", with the confident message of the lyrics playing against the "hard-hitting, unique sonority of the E-Major seventh chord". Everett similarly describes the song as "an unusual mix of happiness and melancholia". Riley writes that its fadeout provides a liberating effect through its major key, suggesting the singer has achieved respite, though the "rhythmic tension" hints at "an uneasiness below the surface that remains unresolved".

Recording
The Beatles recorded most of their debut LP Please Please Me on 11 February 1963, split across three sessions in twelve hours and forty-five minutes. Recorded in EMI's Studio Two, George Martin produced, supported by balance engineer Norman Smith. Throughout the sessions, Lennon and McCartney are heard sniffling and coughing, with Lennon faring a heavy cold. The band began with ten takes of "There's a Place", reworking the rhythm and bass guitar parts between attempts. After their lunch break, Lennon finished the song by overdubbing a harmonica onto take ten. His three attempts, two complete and one a false start, were marked as takes eleven through thirteen, with take thirteen marked "best".

On 25 February, Martin, again assisted by Smith, returned to EMI to edit and mix the album in Studio One. They mixed "There's a Place" for mono and stereo from take thirteen, adding heavy reverberation to Lennon's harmonica overdub. As was typical for the time, none of the Beatles were present for mixing.

Release and reception
EMI's Parlophone label released Please Please Me in the UK on 22 March 1963, with "There's a Place" sequenced as the penultimate track, between "A Taste of Honey" and "Twist and Shout". The song is credited to McCartney–Lennon, since the Lennon–McCartney designation was not used until August that year. In a contemporary review of the album for the Record Mirror, Norman Jopling describes the song as "wistful" with "a definite beat on the backing." He concludes it is "a typical number... [n]ot a standout track but one with plenty of appeal." Vee-Jay released the first US Beatles album, Introducing... The Beatles, on 22 July 1963, with "There's a Place" sequenced as the twelfth track between "A Taste of Honey" and "Twist and Shout". The initial US release attracted little attention, Beatlemania not reaching America until December 1963. As the Beatles' popularity surged, record labels rushed to re-release material, with Vee-Jay reissuing the album on 27 January 1964. Tollie released "There's a Place" in the US as the B-side to "Twist and Shout" on 2 March 1964. "Twist and Shout" peaked at number two on the US Billboard Hot 100 in April 1964, while "There's a Place" made it on the chart for one week, reaching number 74.

Author Greil Marcus writes that "There's a Place" is "incandescent", with an arrangement built around drumming from Ringo Starr that "could take your breath away". He asserts that its musical qualities and lyricism provided a template for the success of the Beatles' later music. Howard Kramer of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame writes that the song illustrates the band's earliest influences, joining Everly Brothers-style harmonies with Brill Building-type songwriting. Hertsgaard recognises "There's a Place" and "Misery" as the two "sleeping beauties" of Please Please Me that are often overlooked. Riley offers similar sentiments, writing that the song exhibits more maturity than "teenybopper" tracks like "Ask Me Why" or "Do You Want to Know a Secret". Hertsgaard, Chris Ingham and Ian Marshall each write that the song's lyrics are deeper than those of the album's other tracks and that they anticipate the more introspective compositions of the later Beatles, especially Lennon. Kevin Howlett and Lewisohn write the song shows Lennon's "early fascination with self-discovery and the fulfilment such knowledge can bring". Hertsgaard contends that the song's "free-thinking sensibility" was later expanded upon in Lennon's 1966 songs "I'm Only Sleeping" and "Tomorrow Never Knows". In his 2007 book Can't Buy Me Love, Jonathan Gould dismisses the track as an awkward rewrite of "Please Please Me". He views the lyrics as "dreadful" and says that those who see the song as anticipating the later introspection of the Beatles' lyrics are being overly generous.

Several writers have compared "There's a Place" to the Beach Boys' 1963 song "In My Room". Riley considers the Beatles' song "much better", as do critics Robert Christgau and John Piccarella, who say that "Lennon has better places to go but his room, and better ways to get there than Brian Wilson." Comparing the Beatles' harmonies to the Beach Boys', Riley writes that Lennon and McCartney "[double] the effect" of any similar attempt by the Beach Boys. Hertsgaard similarly praises the vocals, calling the harmonies in the song's opening "sublime". Less impressed, Ian MacDonald says that the two-part harmony shows "that Lennon had a heavy cold", although he adds that Lennon and McCartney's passionate singing "cuts through".

Personnel
According to Ian MacDonald:

 * John Lennon – vocal, harmonica, rhythm guitar
 * Paul McCartney – vocal, bass
 * George Harrison – backing vocal, lead guitar
 * Ringo Starr – drums

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Rhode Island Route 117

Route 117 is a 28.4 mi state route in the U.S. state of Rhode Island. Its western terminus is at Route 14 in Coventry, and its eastern terminus is at U.S. Route 1A (US 1A) in Cranston.

Route description

 * Coventry: 14.0 miles (22.5 km); Route 14 to West Warwick town line
 * Flat River Road, Main Street and Washington Street
 * West Warwick: 1.8 miles (2.9 km); Coventry town line to Warwick city line
 * West Warwick Avenue, Main Street and Legris Avenue
 * Warwick: 8.4 miles (13.5 km); West Warwick town line to Cranston city line
 * Legris Avenue, Centerville Road, [Post Road] (Greenwich Avenue, Veterans Memorial Drive, Post Road), West Shore Road, Shore Road and Warwick Avenue
 * Cranston: 0.6 miles (1.0 km); Warwick city line to US 1A (Intersection of Warwick Avenue, Norwood Avenue and Broad Street)
 * Warwick Avenue

History
Route 117 was one of the original Rhode Island State highways, instated in 1922. Its alignment has changed little since that time.

In the late 1990s, Route 117's eastern terminus was cut back. Originally, Route 117 stayed with Broad Street through Cranston and into Providence, ending at U.S. 1. The reason the eastern terminus was trimmed back is unclear.

Route 117A
Route 117A is a numbered State Highway running 2.3 mi in Rhode Island.

Route description Route 117A takes the following route through the State:
 * Warwick: 2.3 mi; Route 117 to Route 117
 * Oakland Beach Avenue
 * Warwick Avenue

Route 117A is a shorter route than the part of Route 117 that it bypasses.

Major intersections

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Heartbeat International

Heartbeat International is an international anti-abortion association that supports the largest network of crisis pregnancy centers (CPC) in the world, with over 2,000 affiliates in 50 countries. It does not offer, recommend, or refer for abortions. Heartbeat International describes itself as an "Interdenominational Christian association". Heartbeat International teaches its affiliated members to make their advertising look as though they are full-service reproductive health clinics that provide referrals for birth control or abortion. Staff are also trained on how to discourage pregnant women from accessing abortion, and how to discourage young women from using emergency contraception, birth control pills, or IUDs. Heartbeat staff are also encouraged to create two websites, one that has an explicitly Christian message, and one that looks like Planned Parenthood. Many pregnancy centers have the ultimate goal of converting women through a born-again experience to "save the mother, save the baby".

For a story appearing in February 2020, openDemocracy sent "feminist investigative journalists" to 30 Heartbeat International crisis pregnancy centers in 18 countries, where they "were given misleading or manipulative counselling in most cases." The reporters, who posed as women with unwanted pregnancies, found cases where women were told falsehoods such as abortion causing mental illness, cancer, or increased risk of child abuse, along with other misinformation.

In January 2016, Jor-El Godsey was named President of Heartbeat International.

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