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Nothing Really Matters

"Nothing Really Matters" is a song by American singer Madonna for her seventh studio album, Ray of Light (1998). It was written by Madonna and Patrick Leonard, and was produced by the singer with William Orbit and Marius De Vries. The song was released as the sixth and final single from the album on February 9, 1999, by Maverick Records and Warner Bros. Records. An electronic dance track on which Madonna experiments with different musical genres, "Nothing Really Matters" includes ambient music and electronic noise frequencies that were added by De Vries. Lyrically, the recording delves on the singer's first daughter Lourdes Leon, having also themes of selfishness, affection, and motherhood.

The song was critically appreciated for its lyrical content and composition, and was declared by reviewers as one of Madonna's most personal efforts; however, some critics felt it was tepid and lacklustre compared to other tracks from Ray of Light. In the United States, the song remains Madonna's lowest entry on the Billboard Hot 100, peaking at number 93. Its low chart peak was due to lack of airplay and the delay in releasing it in CD single formats, to which the singer's fans protested against Warner Bros. The song became her 23rd number one on the US Dance Club Songs chart, reaching the top spot in Hungary and Spain, and entering the top ten in countries including Canada, Finland, Iceland, Italy, Scotland, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom.

An accompanying music video was directed by Swedish director Johan Renck, and was released on February 13, 1999. Inspired by Arthur Golden's 1997 novel Memoirs of a Geisha, the video portrays Madonna as a geisha, dancing in a small room. The red kimono worn by her in the video was designed by French fashion designer Jean Paul Gaultier. It was worn by the singer during her performance of the song at the 41st Annual Grammy Awards. "Nothing Really Matters" is cited as one of Madonna's most underrated singles to date. The costume and music video has been cited by journalist and academics as one of Madonna's most iconic and best re-inventions.

Background and writing
"Nothing Really Matters" was written by Madonna and American producer and songwriter Patrick Leonard, and was produced by herself alongside British producers William Orbit and Marius De Vries. The song was inspired by Madonna's daughter Lourdes Leon, whom she gave birth to in 1996. These events inspired a period of introspection for the singer. "That was a big catalyst for me. It took me on a search for answers to questions I'd never asked myself before," she said to Q magazine in 2002. Madonna begun writing the song with Leonard during developing her album Ray of Light. However, unlike their previous work dynamics, Leonard gave little input during studio sessions and only co-wrote four songs for the album, including "Nothing Really Matters". As a result, Madonna did not want him to produce the track. Her manager Guy Oseary then telephoned Orbit, and suggested that the latter send some songs to Madonna. Orbit sent a 13-track digital audio tape (DAT) to her, which included a demo version of "Nothing Really Matters"'s music. According to Madonna, she had been a fan of Orbit's work for a long time and was pleased with the demo version, which he started to work on.

De Vries, who had worked on the demo, asked Orbit to help produce the song, and was enlisted. According to Madonna: Like an Icon writer Lucy O'Brien, De Vries and Orbit had originally composed and produced the track before Ray of Light had been conceived. During the sessions, Orbit found De Vries' contribution "off-putting", to which the latter confessed, "On all the collaborations I'd left a lot of space for him, but for this I wanted to put something on the table and say, 'This is what I think'". De Vries had added electronic noise frequencies during the first chorus of the song, stating that he had a "vision on how the song should be finished". Orbit did not like the addition since it sounded to him that the "DAT's broken". De Vries defended his contribution saying that it was supposed to be "like that [...] It's quite slow for a dance tune of that nature, not a pacey tune." Madonna had enjoyed all three of their contributions to the track, and as a result, Orbit reluctantly left it on. In J. Randy Taraborrelli's book Madonna: An Intimate Biography, the singer said that the main inspiration behind "Nothing Really Matters" and "The Power of Good-Bye" from the same album, was other people judging and dissecting her creative process. Elaborating on the statement, she added, In 'Nothing Really Matters' and 'The Power of Good-Bye', I want people to have a visceral and emotional reaction to things, rather than to have in their mind where all my stuff comes from. With the songs, I wanted to say that it does not matter really what you think or do, just think by yourself, and not judge and dissect others. You know if I see a bug crawling across the floor and it inspired me to write the most incredible love poem, I don't want people to be thinking about their relationship, and then think of my bug crawling across the floor. It's then that the power of good-bye becomes better than the power of acceptance.

Recording and composition
"Nothing Really Matters" was recorded alongside the rest of the album at Larrabee North Studio in North Hollywood, California. Only three other people were in the studio with Madonna during the recording of the song and album: Orbit, recording engineer Pat McCarthy, and his assistant engineer, Matt Silva. The track featured no live instrumentation, and was part of a machinery issue that delayed initial recording as Orbit preferred working with sample loops and synth-based instrumentation. As a result, it took a while to finish production of the song, until the computers were repaired. The song was mastered by Ted Jensen at Sterling Studios in New York, and included background vocals from Donna De Lory and Niki Haris.

"Nothing Really Matters" is a mid-tempo EDM song which contains influences of techno, downtempo pop, and house music. It is set in time signature of common time, and is composed in the key of F major, with a moderate tempo of 117 beats per minute. Madonna's vocals range from the lower octave of F3 to the higher note of A♭4. Greg Kot from the Chicago Tribune labelled the production as a "worldly, and weary Madonna". David Browne from Entertainment Weekly noticed that the "hard-step beats and synth washes make the romantic-physical yearnings (and hooks) of 'Skin' and 'Nothing Really Matters' even tauter [...]". J.D. Considine from The Baltimore Sun felt the song was a "smart, groove-intensive tune". Chuck Taylor from Billboard compared the composition of "Nothing Really Matters" to the "disco-encrusted" "Vogue" (1990). However, he found that the "core" important part of the song was its "sweetly-spiritual" and "simple" lyrical content.

The song begins with a "strange, electronic, slightly broken noise" that spans between the start of the song up until 54 seconds. The ambient-influenced beginning gives the impression that "Nothing Really Matters" would be a ballad, but in the minute mark, it changes to a mid-tempo dance-pop song. The ambient music becomes restrained, although a cursory bleeping sound can be heard from the right to the left. The background has a number of faint strings in it, which signifies the depth of the stereo field. The chorus starts with a fast-pacing dance sound, over which Madonna sings, "Nothing really matters / love is all we need / everything I give you / all comes back to me." Throughout the entire song, it includes two verses, three choruses, one bridge section, and an outro. The bridge is backed by piano sounds with a descending sequence by a couple of bars. Madonna sings the same lyrics in the outro, but is slowed down and echoed longer until the music fades out.

The lyrics are about the birth of Madonna's daughter Lourdes, and the realization of motherhood. In an interview with the Wesleyan University Press, the singer stated: "There's a song on the album called 'Nothing Really Matters', and it is very much inspired by my daughter. it's just realizing that at the end of the day, the most important thing is loving people and sharing love. The birth of my daughter has been a huge influence. It's different to look at life through the eyes of a child, and suddenly you have a whole new respect for life and you kind of get your innocence back. It's this realisation which I incorporated in 'Nothing Really Matters', 'Little Star' and 'Mer Girl'." Based on the lyrical content, Bryan Lark from The Michigan Daily reviewed the parent album, and concluded that as the single "Ray of Light" was about confronting the past, "Nothing Really Matters" conversely is about "moving onward."

Release
"Nothing Really Matters" was selected as the sixth and final single from Ray of Light. On February 9, 1999, Warner Bros. Records issued the song to top 40 and rhythmic contemporary radio formats in the United States. It was released in six major formats, including a 12 inch vinyl, two CD singles, one maxi CD, a cassette tape, and was made available for digital download. A promotional 7 inch vinyl was issued to several clubs in North America, and included the original album version, along with the B-side and parent album track "To Have and Not To Hold". Two 12 inch vinyl formats were released in North America; one included four vinyls that incorporate two tracks on each, while the second was re-issued with new artwork and track list placement. The maxi CD included the album version, and two remixes by the Austrian disc jockey Peter Rauhofer (under the alias Club 69). Two CD singles were issued worldwide except for North America; the first CD includes the album version, one remix by Rauhofer, and one remix by Peter Kruder & Richard Dorfmeister, whilst the second includes three remixes by Rauhofer. In Canada, the CDs were issued on May 4, 1999. A cassette tape was released in the United Kingdom; this includes the album version and one remix by Rauhofer, presented on both sides of the recording tape.

Critical reception
Stephen Thomas Erlewine from AllMusic, Kevin C. Johnson from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch and Chris Gernard from Metro Weekly highlighted "Nothing Really Matters" as one of Ray of Light's best tracks. Erlewine, who also wrote Madonna's biography for the website, cited the song as one of her career standouts. Chuck Taylor from Billboard labeled the song as a "gem" and commended the "irresistible hook". From the same publication, Jason Lipshutz commented, "What if the suave dance of 'Nothing Really Matters', the eye-popping 'Ray of Light' music video or the stark beauty of 'Frozen' never existed? Luckily, we never need to find out." Paul Moody from NME noted that the song "floats by almost as if it's asleep, a knowing return to the disco diva-effortlessness of 'Vogue', but with Madonna free from the narcissistic outer-shell of old, free to announce: "I've realised/No-one wins..."" Rolling Stone said, "Songs like the title track and 'Nothing Really Matters' are filled with warmth and wonder." "A bubbly, infectious piece of shufflebeat…" Stuart Maconie wrote in a Q review of Ray of Light, "but aberrant items continually swim into view, like a tumbling, atonal piano solo right out of Schoenberg." Sunday Mirror said it is the "best pop tune" from the album. Stephen Thompson from The A.V. Club was positive, stating that the "chugging" chorus and composition "should ring across dance floors for years to come[...]" Nathan Smith from the Houston Press was also positive, stating, "Few singles illustrated [Madonna's change in musical approach] better than 'Nothing Really Matters'". He concluded, "It's a great, bouncy dance track that never received the love it deserved, and its family-friendly themes are a good fit for the event."

However, Enio Chiola from PopMatters felt the song's commercial appeal and production was inferior to other album tracks, and stated that "Skin"—another song from Ray of Light—would have been a better release. Jose F. Promis from AllMusic reviewed the single and awarded it two-and-a-half stars out of five. He suggested that the original album version was somewhat "tepid", and commented, "This single is a case of where the production supersedes the song, which in and of itself is among Madonna's simplest and least interesting tunes." However, he commended the remixes, including the "Eastern Asian", "chillout" and "several club cuts". Medium's Richard LaBeau opined that it was a "perfectly fine cut from her best album, but there are several other songs on the album that are better and would have made more interesting singles". Billboard's Nolan Feeney noted, "She keeps the platitudes from sounding empty by taking her younger self to task [...] Dance music is often a tool for artists and listeners to build their identities; here, Madonna uses pulsing beats to shed her skin". Ranking Madonna's singles in honor of her 60th birthday, The Guardian's Jude Rogers placed "Nothing Really Matters" at number 39, calling it a "heavenly ode to motherhood".

At the 2000 ASCAP Rhythm and Soul Awards, "Nothing Really Matters" was nominated for the Award-Winning Dance Song award; this was Madonna's first nomination in that category, and was her second nomination at the awards since the previous year, when her song "Ray of Light" was nominated, and eventually won the Top Dance Song award. "Nothing Really Matters" eventually won the award, becoming her first win in that category; she won it again in 2002 for "Don't Tell Me".

Chart performance
In the United States, "Nothing Really Matters" debuted at number 99 on the Billboard Hot 100, making it her lowest entry on the chart. It reached a peak of number 93 the following week, and was present for two weeks overall. "Nothing Really Matters" topped the Dance Club Songs chart and stayed there for two weeks, whilst peaking at number 25 on the Pop Songs chart. Jose F. Promis from AllMusic believed the single's lack of charting success in North America was due "to the terrible timing of the single's release, which was much after radio and club airplay had peaked." Many fans in North America blamed Warner Bros. Records' marketing strategy for the song's poor charting. "Nothing Really Matters" was also the first time since 1994's Bedtime Stories that Madonna charted four singles from her album on the Hot 100. In Canada, the song reached a peak of number seven on the RPM Singles Chart.

In the United Kingdom, "Nothing Really Matters" entered the UK Singles Chart at number seven on March 13, 1999. It was later certified Silver by the British Phonographic Industry (BPI) for shipments of 200,000 units. According to Official Charts Company, the song has sold 128,137 copies as of August 2008. In Belgium's Flanders region, the song debuted and peaked at number 43 on March 13, 1999, while in the Wallonia region it had a similar performance, spending a sole week on the chart. In the Netherlands, the song debuted at number 73 on the Single Top 100 chart, and reached a peak of 34 on March 13, 1999. The recording peaked at number 38 in Germany, spending a total of nine weeks on the chart. In Finland, the song debuted at number six on the Finnish Singles Chart, and spent two weeks overall. In Spain, it was number one on the Spanish Singles Chart and stayed there for three consecutive weeks.

In Australia, "Nothing Really Matters" debuted on the ARIA Singles Chart at its peak of number 15 on March 4, 1999. The next week, it descended to number 22, and continued down to its final appearance at number 49, being present for a total of six weeks on the chart. In New Zealand, the song debuted at number seven on the New Zealand Singles Chart on April 11, 1999. It stayed there for two weeks, until descending to number 45. It rose to number 26 on its final peaking week, and was present for a total of nine weeks on the chart.

Background and inspiration
An accompanying music video for "Nothing Really Matters" was directed by Johan Renck and filmed on January 9, 1999, at Silvercup Studios in Long Island City, New York. According to a behind-the-scenes interview with Entertainment Tonight, Madonna stated that the inspiration behind the video was from the 1997 Arthur Golden novel Memoirs of a Geisha. She later stated, "The whole idea of a geisha is a straight metaphor for being an entertainer because, on one hand you're privileged to be a geisha, but on the other hand you're a prisoner [...]" Madonna choreographed her own moves in the video, since she "[did not] like how other people say how I should move, I'm my own best choreographer." In an interview with American broadcaster and journalist Larry King, Madonna commented about the geisha depiction, "[...] there was a character in the book called Hatsumomo and she's been my muse for the past six months. So I don't know." She stated that her daughter, at the time, called Madonna the novel's character, Hatsumomo, which the singer found intriguing yet bizarre.

The red kimono that Madonna wore in the music video was created by French fashion designer Jean-Paul Gaultier. Her main look for the video consisted of heavy eye make-up and a pale face with dark, straight hair, as well as a pair red ankle high boots to accompany the kimono. The kimono was tailored by a large red leather belt. Madonna wore the kimono again for her performance at the 41st Annual Grammy Awards. The look was then re-designed by Gaultier and the Italian fashion duo Dean and Dan Caten for Madonna's 2001 Drowned World Tour. The visual for "Nothing Really Matters" premiered on MTV on February 13, 1999. The video can be found on Madonna's 1999 compilation, The Video Collection 93:99.

Synopsis and reception
The video opens with an empty room with a fish painting, and then shows Madonna holding to what looks like a baby, but is actually a big bag of water. Alternating scenes shows her in a red and black kimono dancing to the song. Then, a scene features a group of people of Asian heritage, who walk down a dark hallway. As Madonna sings the song in a black kimono, she grips onto the bag of water. When the chorus starts, it features Madonna in a red kimono continuing to dance. This scene carries on through the rest of the song. There are multiple scenes of young Swedes of Asian heritage performing butoh dance moves coached by Swedish choreographer Su-En. These scenes were shot in a decommissioned R1 Reactor below the Royal Institute of Technology in central Stockholm. The ending scene has Madonna sitting while someone is painting her back and slowly rests her body on the group. As the song fades, Madonna is in her red kimono walking and laughing towards the camera and then the screen rapidly fades to black.

The music video received favorable reviews from critics. Soman S. Chainani from The Crimson was positive in his review, stating, "The video is deliciously subversive. In a sense, Madonna consciously sheds layers of her post-modern act during the 4:25 minute video, daring us to piece together its clues." Labelling it a "surreal" video with "angular" imagery and direction, he concluded, "Random? Of course not. Realizing it's all the pieces of a puzzle, we grasp the stunning answer. Madonna is, in all truth, a modern-day geisha. She is trapped within her corridor, without the least privacy, but she is free to perform." A reviewer from HitFix commented, "[The video] is a gorgeous futuristic creation and one of Madonna's most underrated videos. Dark and hypnotic, 'Matters' features unconventional choreography that was initially off putting to many (at least for 1999), but in actuality director Johan Renck has created a visual spectacle that demands repeat viewing. It also features one of Madonna's more inspired video performances."

At the 1999 MTV Video Music Awards, Renck, Bjorn Benckert and Tor-Bjorn Olsson were all nominated for Best Special Effects in a Video. This was Madonna's second sub-credited nomination in that category, having been nominated, and eventually won for the same award a year prior with her single "Frozen". Madonna was also nominated three times for her single "Beautiful Stranger" that same year. However, Renck, Benckert, and Olsson lost to Sean Broughton, Stuart D. Gordon and Paul Simpson of Digital Domain with their work on "Special" by American-Scottish band Garbage; this remains Madonna's final video to be nominated in that category.

Live performances
On February 24, 1999, Madonna performed "Nothing Really Matters" as the opening number of the 41st Annual Grammy Awards. The performance was held and recorded at Shrine Auditorium in Los Angeles, California. The stage had two large Japanese infrastructures on either side, a black screen, and a semi-large bench on which Madonna stood. The performance opened with the lights beaming on Madonna, who wore the red Gaultier kimono, red platform boots, and black bob hairstyle. The chorus started with four back-up dancers holding plastic bag, similar to the Japanese people in the music video, and a background dancer being projected on screen. By the second chorus, Madonna's back-up vocalists started singing atop the benches wearing similar kimonos. During the song's bridge interlude, a man entered the stage and started performing with flamed rope. When Madonna won the award for Best Pop Vocal Album at the same ceremony, she came onstage with Orbit to accept the award in the red kimono.

The live performance received positive reviews from most music critics; Jason Kaufman from NY Rock commented, "Her constant nationality morphing has got to go. With her geisha-girl-gone-club-hopping outfit last night, [...] the woman proved she's a walking Epcot Center, long on fashion and short on culture. And what were those women dancing behind her in her musical number holding? The objects looked like fetuses from last week's The X-Files". Bradley Stern from Idolator hosted a poll, asking viewers what was their best Madonna Grammy performance. Alongside the 1999 Grammys, Stern listed Madonna's performances of "Music" at the 2001 ceremony, "Hung Up" at the 2006 ceremony, and "Same Love" and "Open Your Heart" at the 2014 ceremony. "Nothing Really Matters" came third in the poll with 102 votes. InStyle staff highlighted the performance as one of the best Grammy performances to date.

The song is performed as the opening number for Madonna's 2023-2024 Celebration Tour. During the performance, she wore a floor-length black kimono and a diamond radial headdress while a large white light shined above her. The headdress was designed by German designer Malakai specifically for the tour, adorned with 25 large Swarovski crystals and paved with micro-crystals. It was designed with "Madonna's iconography and what she stands for" in mind. Matt Cain from BBC Culture pointed out how "there are no distracting theatrics, just Madonna, her image and her voice – which has never sounded better" and described the performance as a "heartfelt rendition". According to Liam Hess of Vogue, given that "Nothing Really Matters" is one of Madonna's most personal tracks, "it made for a neat introduction to a show that offered a deliberately looser, chattier glimpse at Madonna, the woman".

Legacy and other usage in media
"Nothing Really Matters" has been noted as one of Madonna's most underrated singles to date. Louis Virtel from NewNowNext listed the song at number 94 on their Top 100 Madonna Songs list, stating, "Copping both new-age maxims and Beatle sentiments ('Everything I give you all comes back to me'), 'Nothing Really Matters' is as queer and curious as a red patent-leather geisha costume." The Gaultier kimono has been cited by several publications as one of Madonna's most notable re-inventions and looks, including fashion magazines InStyle, Elle and Harper's Bazaar. Alongside this, the kimono has been recognized as one of the Grammy's best and worst looks.

Louis Virtel listed the music video at number 49 on his ranking of 55 Best Music Videos by Madonna. Julien Sauvalle from Out listed the video at number eight on his Top 20 Most Stylist Madonna music videos list. Idolator's Nicole Sta called the clip as one of Madonna's best music videos. Nikki Ogunnaike from Glamour magazine listed the video as one of Madonna's Top 5 Most Fashionable music videos.

The geisha look was further reproduced for Madonna's appearance on the May–June 1999 issue of Harper's Bazaar magazine. The singer took partial creative control of the issue, and requested photographer of the shoot Patrick Demarchelier to incorporate elements of the novel Memoirs of a Geisha into it, both visually and typographically. Three covers were selected for different regions around the world. In 2016, the geisha look was adapted on the Logo TV series RuPaul's Drag Race, season eight. The show's host, RuPaul, announced that contestants had to create a gown that was inspired by Madonna's iconic looks. Four drag queen contestants wore the geisha look, including one sporting a similar look from the singer's music video "Paradise (Not for Me)". A fifth contestant decided on wearing a kimono from the video of "Nothing Really Matters", but changed. This runway show was criticized by Vulture, for the lack of variety of Madonna's iconic looks outside of "Nothing Really Matters".

Masahiro Ito has cited the song's music video as one of the inspirations for his work on the video game Silent Hill 2 (2001).

Track listings and formats

 * U.S. 7-inch vinyl
 * 1) "Nothing Really Matters" (album version) – 4:27
 * 2) "To Have and Not to Hold" – 5:23

 * Cassette single
 * 1) "Nothing Really Matters" (album version) – 4:27
 * 2) "Nothing Really Matters" (Club 69 Radio Mix) – 3:45

 * European 12-inch vinyl
 * 1) "Nothing Really Matters" (Club 69 Vocal Club Mix) – 7:51
 * 2) "Nothing Really Matters" (album version) – 4:27
 * 3) "Nothing Really Matters" (Club 69 Future Mix) – 8:19
 * 4) "Nothing Really Matters" (Club 69 Radio Mix) – 3:45
 * 5) "Nothing Really Matters" (Club 69 Phunk Mix) – 8:00
 * 6) "Nothing Really Matters" (Talvin Singh's Vikram Remix) – 7:43
 * 7) "Nothing Really Matters" (Club 69 Future Dub) – 5:48
 * 8) "Nothing Really Matters" (Kruder & Dorfmeister Remix) – 11:10

 * CD single part one
 * 1) "Nothing Really Matters" (album version) – 4:27
 * 2) "Nothing Really Matters" (Club 69 Radio Mix) – 3:45
 * 3) "Nothing Really Matters" (Kruder & Dorfmeister Remix) – 11:10

 * CD single part two
 * 1) "Nothing Really Matters" (Club 69 Radio Mix) – 3:45
 * 2) "Nothing Really Matters" (Club 69 Future Mix) – 8:19
 * 3) "Nothing Really Matters" (Club 69 Future Dub) – 5:48

 * U.S. CD Maxi Single
 * 1) "Nothing Really Matters" (album version) – 4:27
 * 2) "Nothing Really Matters" (Club 69 Vocal Club Mix) – 7:51
 * 3) "Nothing Really Matters" (Club 69 Future Mix) – 8:19
 * 4) "Nothing Really Matters" (Club 69 Phunk Mix) – 8:00
 * 5) "Nothing Really Matters" (Club 69 Speed Mix) – 10:35
 * 6) "Nothing Really Matters" (Kruder & Dorfmeister Remix) - 11:10
 * 7) "Nothing Really Matters" (Vikram Remix) - 7:43
 * 8) "Nothing Really Matters" (Club 69 Future Dub) - 5:48
 * 9) "Nothing Really Matters" (Club 69 Radio Mix) – 3:45

 * Digital single (2023)
 * 1) "Nothing Really Matters" (album version) – 4:27
 * 2) "Nothing Really Matters" (Club 69 Radio Mix) – 3:45
 * 3) "Nothing Really Matters" (Club 69 Vocal Club Mix) – 7:51
 * 4) "Nothing Really Matters" (Club 69 Future Mix) – 8:19
 * 5) "Nothing Really Matters" (Club 69 Phunk Mix) – 8:00
 * 6) "Nothing Really Matters" (Club 69 Speed Mix) – 10:35
 * 7) "Nothing Really Matters" (Kruder & Dorfmeister Remix) - 11.10
 * 8) "Nothing Really Matters" (Vikram Remix) - 7:43
 * 9) "Nothing Really Matters" (Club 69 Future Dub) - 5:48

Credits and personnel
Credits are adapted from the Ray of Light album liner notes.

 * Madonna – lead vocals, songwriter, producer
 * Patrick Leonard – songwriter
 * William Orbit – producer
 * Marius De Vries – producer
 * Niki Haris – background vocals
 * Donna De Lory – background vocals
 * Steve Sidelnyk – drum programming
 * Mark Endert – engineer
 * Jon Ingoldsby – engineer
 * Patrick McCarthy – engineer
 * Dave Reitzas – engineer
 * Matt Silva – engineer
 * Ted Jensen – mastering
 * Kevin Reagan – art direction, design
 * Luis Sanchis – photography

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Guo Xiang

Guo Xiang (born 252 AD –  died 312 AD) is credited with the first and most important revision of the text known as the Zhuangzi which, along with the Tao Te Ching, forms the textual and philosophical basis of the Taoist school of thought. He was also a scholar of xuanxue.

Zhuangzi
The Guo Xiang redaction of Zhuangzi revised a fifty-two chapter original by removing material he thought was superstitious and generally not of philosophical interest to his literati sensibilities, resulting in a thirty-three chapter total. He appended a philosophical commentary to the text that became famous, and within four centuries his shorter and snappier expurgated recension became the only one known.

This Zhuangzi recension is traditionally divided into three sections: ‘Inner Chapters’ (1-7), ‘Outer Chapters’ (8-22), ‘Miscellaneous Chapters’ (23-33). This division is quite old and is likely to have been part of the original recension.

Guo's redaction focuses on his understanding of Zhuangzi's philosophy of spontaneity (literally "self so"). This practiced spontaneity is demonstrated by the story of Cook Ding, rendered as Cook Ting in the Burton Watson translation (which is itself ultimately derived from the Guo Xiang recension):

"Cook Ting was cutting up an ox for Lord Wen-hui. At every touch of his hand, every heave of his shoulder, every move of his feet, every thrust of his knee, zip! zoop! He slithered the knife along with a zing, and all was in perfect rhythm, as though he were performing the dance of the Mulberry Grove or keeping time to the Ching-shou Music.

"Ah, this is marvelous!" said Lord Wen-hui. "Imagine skill reaching such heights!"

Cook Ting laid down his knife and replied, "What I care about is the Way, which goes beyond skill. When I first began cutting up oxen, all I could see was the ox itself. After three years I no longer saw the whole ox. And now I go at it by spirit and don't look with my eyes. Perception and understanding have come to a stop and spirit moves where it wants. I go along with the natural makeup, strike in the big hollows, guide the knife through the big openings, and follow things as they are. So I never touch the smallest ligament or tendon, much less a main joint."

"A good cook changes his knife once a year, because he cuts. A mediocre cook changes his knife once a month, because he hacks. I've had this knife of mine for nineteen years and I've cut up thousands of oxen with it, and yet the blade is as good as though it had just come from the grindstone. There are spaces between the joints, and the blade of the knife has really no thickness. If you insert what has no thickness into such spaces, then there's plenty of room, more than enough for the blade to play about it. That's why after nineteen years the blade of my knife is still as good as when it first came from the grindstone."

- Chapter 3 - The Secret of Caring for Life

Here, the careful yet effortlessly spontaneous way in which Cook Ding is described cutting up the ox is both an example of the cognitive state of mind Zhuangzi associated with the Tao and the assertion that this state is accessible in everyday life.

In popular culture
In 1990, a computer-generated image of Guo Xiang's head was used as the logo for the Russian television production company VID. In 2017, the old logo was heavily redesigned.

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Talk:Weatherhead School of Management

Untitled
Are the rankings by mentioned sources really essential enough to be mentioned here?

Is someone going to talk about the 2003 Hostage crisis at this school?

June 20 Revision
Ok, first big revision I have ever done. With that being said:

1) Tried to organize the programs by creating an Academic Programs section and placing all relevant information under it. I will go back to the Ph.D program section later as it is in need of attention.

2) Fleshed out the introductory paragraph more. Added information about strong programs (I will link to the actual ranking publications later to lend further credibility to the claim). Also fleshed out information about the Peter B. Lewis Building.

3) Reorganized the May 2003 Shooting section. Took a cue from the edits of the VTech article, and made it a sentence in the introductory paragraph. I will also create a small stub about the actual shooter with all the information that was on the Weatherhead main site, so none of the original information is lost.Nap16 13:39, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

School Shooting
The 2003 shooting needs to have its own page. If we are to follow the example of the Virginia Tech article, the shooting needs to have its own page so that the school is no longer linked to the School Killings in the United States category. The Virginia Tech article mentions the shooter, but not by name, and only the article for the incident itself is linked in the category. Either that, or the article for the killer should be linked to the category, and this article should then be removed from the category listing. Any thoughts? Please contact me on my talk page if you have any suggestions for the proposed changes. SailorAlphaCentauri (talk) 19:06, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Merge proposal: Center for Business as an Agent of World Benefit to Weatherhead School of Management
Center for Business as an Agent of World Benefit doesn't seem to be notable itself. Boleyn (talk) 20:00, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Go for it -- be WP:BOLD! Bearian (talk) 21:51, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

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Contested deletion
This page should not be speedy deleted as an unambiguous copyright infringement, because the content on this page is not copyrighted material, but rather cited factual information taken from case.weatherhead.edu with permission from the owners and managers of the website--129.22.89.86 (talk) 19:19, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

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This page should not be speedy deleted as an unambiguous copyright infringement, because the Duplication Detector report data and Copyvios report data only highlights commonly used phrases and the name of the school "Weatherhead School of Management" as duplicate content. --129.22.89.86 (talk) 19:35, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:Bavo of Ghent

Date of Birth...
So I have been researching the family of which Saint Bevo belongs. There is something rather suspicious regarding the date of Saint Bevo's birth.

The article states that Bevo was born in the year 589 and that his father is Pepin of Landen. All good until you read the article about Pepin of Landen and discover that his birth was 580.

This of course would mean that Bevo is 9 years younger than his father... I suppose it's not entirely impossible, however...

Mister2b 19:38, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Requested move 11 August 2015

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The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 (talk) 14:05, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Saint Bavo → Bavo of Ghent – Per WP:NPOV and MOS:SAINTS. Also, the articles on the Dutch and French (the Netherlands and Belgium are the most involved countries) Wikipedias all refer to Bavo as "Bavo of Ghent" or linguistic equivalents thereof. HyperGaruda (talk) 13:57, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Support per MOS. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:03, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

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"Colombanian saints"
This category was recently added to the article, but there is no mention in the article of such an association, or in the sources of any such thing as a "Colombanian Order" to which he might have belonged. What gives? --Andreas Philopater (talk) 14:06, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:Nanorobotics

Nanite Word Origin?
Was the first use of the term "nanite" the Star Trek: The Next Generation episode "Evolution" or was it used before then? Brief google searches aren't giving me an answer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.254.119.245 (talk) 20:52, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Nubot?
Does anyone have any more info to add on Nubots? the article really doesnt say much, im curious to know more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.169.7.115 (talk) 06:28, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

 * See DNA machine. Antony-22 09:25, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Last sentence of "Present research" section
Why is the last sentence "Ryan Richard Fleming loves Vanessa C. Wilkins?" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.83.71.18 (talk) 21:17, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

T 1000 made with nanorobots??
where did you get that? it's a mimetic polyalloy not a swarm of nanites, unless i'm wrong. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by WSFWarlord (talk • contribs) 19:37, 22 January 2007 (UTC).

Snow Crash/Diamond Age deserve mentions
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.13.144.79 (talk) at 14:18, 30 January 2007 (UTC) (talk)

New ideas and theories that could be debatable in the later future (from Alanliddell)
I am User:Mumia-w-18. The following two sections come from text User:Alanliddell placed into the main article. I moved these here so that we could discuss these before placing them into the article:

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Enhanced Immunity Theory
What if there'd be the possibility, of a man-made nanobot that could be injected into the blood stream that could act as an impenatrable super-immune system? The inhanced immune system could then act as a counter to other hard to spot/eliminate illnesses and viruses, such as AIDs. The fact that AIDs is such a smart virus, makes it dangerous virus; but what is better than having an intelligent microspopic machine protecting you as a tricky fabricated antibody like system? What if it also had mutating abilities that could trick other tricky mutating viruses/bacterias?

Nanobot Scare Theory
It is believed that if one single replicating nanobot escapes, it could replicate like a living virus. 1 soon becomes 2, 2 soom becomes 4.... don't underestimat the power of doubling. After a couple of hours, there will be trillions. Since they replicate by them selfs, they will be in a constant search for more raw materials; and eventually drain the Earth's resouces to zero, in there ever ongoing search in order to replicate. Alanliddell 11:03, 15 November 2007 (UTC) }}

These are ideas that I've heard expressed in an Outer Limits episode and possibly a book or two. However, to appear in an encyclopedia article, these would have to be properly presented, referenced and cited.--Mumia-w-18 13:36, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I don't have references but I believe the argument has been largely disproved, assemblers can only replicate if they have enough energy - and its likely to be many times what natural cells need - its called the 'grey goo' problem. By the way this article is very good, but I notice that it misses the name "assemblers", the name I use in my research. I also see that there is at least one other Wikipedia article on 'assemblers'. - Lucien86 86.138.140.107 (talk) 14:03, 12 January 2008 (UTC) (sorry can't log into ID at the moment)
 * I'm sorry to tell you, but no, this argument has absolutely not been "largely disproved". It is a high-probability existential risk for earth. It's absolutely not to be taken lightly. The scenario is usually called "Grey goo", it even has it own article. It's not in any way "scare tactics" for one side of the discussion, it is simply stating the obvious. Ran4 (talk) 17:39, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Gray Goo theory? It could happen, but it's not quite the end of the world. All that would be needed to prevent such a catastrophe would be the proper methods of controlling nanites (which should have been designed along side nanites to begin with) and the appropriate "nanite program" that caused nanites to attack and destroy Gray Goo nanites. The afflicted world would never be the same, but it would survive none the less. - Glitch Daracova (talk) 20:38, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Time Traveling Nanites
I'm pretty sure that they exist, just ask Tonic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.172.223.74 (talk) 14:16, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

inconsistent in Fiction section
In the section concerning Nanorobotics in fiction. Metal Gear Solid only is only mentioned with and I quote "and the popular video game series Metal Gear Solid". The other stated instances have explanations. Yet Metal Gear Solid is missing anything of the sort. Not to sound like an angry Metal Gear fan boy, but the "Nanomachines" play a major part in the series. It should make a minor note of some of the major applications of nanorobotics in the game series. Like, used as the radio or "Codec", Filtration of Information, Pain suppression, and Control and Monitoring of Private Military Company Soldiers. But it does seem A bit much to add all that. Some explanation would be nice. Though Metal Gear Solid depicts Nanorobotics in a rather negative and dystopian light. Something along the lines of: "In the popular video game series Metal Gear Solid, nanomachines have a variety of applications, from radio transmitting, and healing, to mind control." That doesn't seem a bit much. I would have edited it myself. But I wanted to run the idea past everyone else. Because if everyone else sees it as a bit unnecessary, then it must be. Kashmirxincx (talk) 09:19, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Inconsist Fiction Section, From Above^
Yes, it is inconsistent. Nanomachines are the single-most important unseen force in the Metal Gear Solid series. Many aspects of the series would be impossible if not for Nanotechnology, such as the Codec, mind manipulation, and healing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.59.200.82 (talk) 00:49, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

wikipedia policy of neutrality
Some part of the article does not comply with the wikipedia policy of neutrality, then instead of focusing on technical matters, it provides information clearly biased for self promotion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.50.85.170 (talk) 15:37, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Time Traveling Nanites?
That seems to be a little far fetched, don't you think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.59.200.82 (talk) 00:52, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Well, you should keep in mind that there was an expirement done where cesium atoms were fired through a tube and arrived at their destination a fraction of a micro-second before they were fired. (My science teacher told me about it last year, but I forgot where he heard it.) So, time traveling nanites isn't quite so implosible, now is it? Glitch Daracova (talk) 21:23, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

 * I'm sorry to have to contradict, but first of all, the experiment didn't involve atoms arriving BEFORE, but AFTER. What was interesting was that it was a "teleportation" experiment done by IBM. However, IBM did not teleport an atom. Charles Bennet may have laid the theory foundations for quantum teleportation, but there was no experiment at IBM. There were subsequent experiments elsewhere involving photons, atoms, and clouds of atoms. However, the experiments involving atoms in NO WAY teleported the atom or the clouds of atoms. In fact, they didn't even involve cesium. Scientist are IN NO WAY close to being able to teleport matter and certainly not a DNA molecule. The experiments involving atoms actually invovled ionic atoms and were performed in two groups, one in Colorado, the other in Austria. The one in Colorado involved beryllium ions, the other used calcium. But the ion was not teleported. What was teleported was the spin state of the ion. You may or may not know that atoms have different energy levels that they can exist in. One way to define those levels is by what 'spin' the atom has. What these experiments did was transfer the spin state from one beryllium ion to another beryllium ion without those two ions interacting with eachother. That is teleportation since information (the state of the ion) transfered from one location to another without going through the middle. But it requires two ions, one that starts with the desired state, and second that receives the desired state (actually, there is a third ion that is required, but I will not go into that). The same type of experiement was done on photons, where the state of one photon was transfered to another. And a similar experiment was done recently on two clouds of rubidium atoms (at Caltech), where the state of one cloud was 'teleported' to a second cloud. Some will argue that this was not teleportation as understood by the physics community, since the measurement and projection of the state is done simultaneously, but I doubt that means much to someone who hasn't studied this.

 * But let me be perfectly clear: no matter has ever been teleported. None! Only states of matter. In theory, the same process that allows us to teleport states of matter could be used to teleport actual matter. However, this would require unprecedented control over matter. We have exquisite control over the states of ions, which allows us to teleport the states. But we are no where close to having that type of control over matter. In fact, there are no ideas as to how we could ever get such control. If that happens (and that is a big if), it will not be any time soon. And certainly no one alive will be alive when that happens.

 * The proof that this happens is straight forward. You run the protocol that does the teleportation. Then you measure the state on the third ion and see if you get the state you sent.

 * The term for this is quantum teleportation and it is actually a more stringent requirement than star trek style teleportation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Neminico (talk • contribs) 13:14, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

 * Trekkies, please get off this page thinking you know science. Electronic behaviour is nothing like atomic behaviour, not to mention in a bulk arrangement that is likely over 100nm in any one dimension there will be no quantum "teleportation" behaviour exhibited. Your talking about single atoms or electrons in constrained states. If your talking about the science, then you SHOULD know it, and you would never have considered such stupid theories in the first place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nebnobla (talk • contribs) 15:33, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Potential applications
please, add some of the already existing references.--79.35.195.44 (talk) 12:05, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Genome improving
 * Terraforming planets
 * Megastructures

 * Space Elevator Construction (seen this mentioned before)
 * Nanotech based Roads constructed of nanites
 * Self Healing
 * Illuminated Lines
 * Self Cleaning
 * Self Maintaining
 * Roadway acting as a solar conductor (spray on solar conductors have been demonstrated)
 * Power/data carriers
 * BrentNewland (talk) 03:25, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

No mention of Richard Feynman, the Feynman Prize (Foresight)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Feynman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foresight_Nanotech_Institute_Feynman_Prize

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There%27s_Plenty_of_Room_at_the_Bottom

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.83.84.47 (talk) 16:14, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

 * What does Feynman have to do with nanomachines besides speaking about them? The science itself is valued over the figures that come up with the science, any scientist would agree. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nebnobla (talk • contribs) 17:26, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

NPOV Tag
I removed the NPOV tag from the heading of the article, it was tagged as such in 2008. Looking at the talk page, I don't see much evidence of work being done to correct this, or address it, so I'm guessing that it's not a huge deal and so the tag's just been sitting there uselessly. If anyone thinks that there are still POV problems with the page, put the tag back up, list your concerns (or just edit them) and we'll work on addressing everything. Lot  49a talk 17:17, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

 * Agreed. I did not reply earlier as I fully agreed with the decision - also a new IP editor has replaced the tag without any real explanation of reason. I have removed it again until discussions commence.
 * The tag clearly states "Please see the discussion on the talk page" and that has not been done. Discussions here need to be made by the IP editor as POV issues or concerns cannot be addressed unless they are first identified. It is impossible to fix something when no-one knows what the problem is.
 * Also posted on IP chat page Chaosdruid (talk) 17:18, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Potential Risks?
The article is great and nicely written, however I am surprise by the lack of information regarding the possible "risks" such technology and applications could bring to our future. Advanced spy-robots, killer machines, etc. Nanorobotics open the doors for beautiful things, but also horrible things and it is the duty of an open encyclopedia such as Wikipedia to inform the public with the potential such a technology could bring from both the bright and darker side.

The article almost sounded biased to me, like nanorobots are the cure to everything and will solve any of our problems, without even bothering touching more sensible issues like what if insane individuals, crazy government, or other terrorists could possibly do to Humanity with such a technology in hand.--10:43, 31 August 2011 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.207.52.46 (talk)

 * You are both right and wrong. The risks everyone fears are unrealistic and mostly driven by the fear of uneducated individuals themselves, whom have an interest due to watching Star Trek or playing video game. So sorry, there won't be any functional nanites for some decades (or centuries). Of course, our civilization will die off due to reasons brought on by our own stupidity besides nanomachines, much earlier in this timeframe, e.g. global warming, overpopulation, energy/food crisis, etc.

 * But your concern that researchers are too positive about uses and ignore the detriments is absolutely true. Researchers in nano happen to be fairly narrow minded in some cases, believing you can put a structure inside the body which the body is not designed to accomidate. There are too many factors in such a chaotic environment to make these structure more compatible by design, our understanding is lacking astronomically compared to the far-fetched ambitions of researchers and what they believe we should be doing with nanotech. Other far-fetched uses include nano-repair bots, nanomachines in general (not fixed to substrate state), zero-valent iron environmental remediation, space elevators, cloaking fields, etc. This stuff will require some decades or centuries to become possible, if even possible.

 * Researchers may be thinking of spray on solar cells and space elevators but all we got is sketchy makeup and underwear you can wear for 3 days (due to nanosilver). These are terribly unsustainable. Perhaps the public should align themselves with reality, and stay wary of the farfetched nanotechnologies often advocated.Nebnobla (talk) 17:40, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Damage control
There seems to be some misconceptions about contemporary or even near-future nano-technological potential. Firstly, it should probably be mentioned that nanomachines are actually everywhere around us; inside every kind of cell there is a vast ensemble of biological nanomachines working in extraordinary ways - more complex and with such flawless synergistic coordination that we will likely never be able to reach such technological levels as an animal species. The first life on earth were machines that were able to differentiate different kinds of matter for specific processing, e.g. amoebas having to differentiate food from other amoebas. The evolution of this nanomachine process has manifested in the immune system of organisms in the form of macrophages. Biological systems are also compatible with stabilizing these nanomachines with specific pressures, media densities, and media chemistry to accomidate nano-specific instabilities and structural limitations, and also allow them to do work in a more efficient manner. So before talking about nanomachines being some abnormality to reality, take time to consider your own nano technological design; if anything, biological systems are described most adequately in describing the nano-technological nature of their systems.

Regarding anthropogenic nanomachines, we are not very far into R&D, at all. In fact, the references in the first paragraph of the actual article do not imply we have working nanomachines, they are as vague and overly-optimistic as any contemporary nano-microelectronics research; designing a fixed motor that responds to an electromagnetic field is just an adaptation of trivial mechanics to lithographic production processes. If anything, the research is most valuable in understanding what allows for such systems to remain stabilized and efficient in realistic environmental circumstances, the motor is impressive but theoretically expected. The nanocar would be a more impressive thing to see, though even it relies on trivial theoretical framework - it is just a sturdy structure (characterized by stable bonds) with rotatable bonds at the fullerenes. Of course, building the structure does deserve an applause. So in terms of contemporary applicability of nanomachines, we should be more fearful of natures own, such as viruses created in anthropogenic environments, e.g. AIDS, Avian flu, etc. It is also worth mentioning that not only do we not have the analytical techniques and machines to understand and design nanomachines, we do not even have the theoretical methods in understand how to do so. Contemporary nanotech is haunted by a limitation of analytical techniques, which makes our industrial use of nanomaterials and the subsequent runoff into the environment more troubling than anything - we can't measure environmental concentrations and thus predict their effects. This is a frontier perhaps people should be more doggish on.

There are also severe limitations to nanomachine capability, especially "nanoswarms". There are several obvious reasons for this. Firstly, environmental atmospheric conditions would not deem a structure with such a low mass to be able to adequately steer itself, even an extremely strong magnetic field would have trouble stabilizing particles in even soft breezes; the energy cost of resisting such natural processes would be astronomical and technically impossible even for nature. This is why some viruses, bacteria, and organisms spread based on environment chaos, and not by some energy-using mechanism. It is an overly ambitious thought to try to stabilize nanomachines in the environment, and beyond human understanding. There is also the question of surface oxidation in air and adsorption of aquatic natural organic matter (NOM) in the aquatic environments, which may electrostatically or sterically hinder any intended processes leverages by intrinsic structures of the nanomachine.

There are more obvious shortcomings, e.g. energy collection and storage. The nanomachine will have to devote most of it's structure to energy storage or production if it were to weather the natural world, though it is likely impossible anyways. Also, the energy forms of the universe are dispering due to entropy, which makes collection methods less concrete in terms of galactic colonization. Of course, if you do speak of "grey Goo", what you are really talking about is decreasing the entropy of the universe, turning everything into an orderly and predictable state.

In any case, this page does not communicate the contemporary or even possible frontiers of anthropogenic nanomachines. Perhaps everyone should take a more realistic approach to these concerns, even if they do not satisfy some need for them to be possible to substantiate your favourite sci-fi TV shows and books. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nebnobla (talk • contribs) 16:02, 23 May 2013 (UTC) Nebnobla (talk) 17:41, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Category:Nano technology in fiction
I believe this is a valid category. User:Ryulong has been reverting all of my additions to this category I created.There is a discussion on the administrators noticeboard. CensoredScribe (talk) 23:00, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
 * See WP:ANI on discussion on how CensoredScribe is inappropriately making dozens of categories of questionable quality. CensoredScribe, this is not the page to make this sort of discussion, either.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 15:48, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm assuming there was a section on nanorobotics in fiction, why was this section deleted? Was it encyclopedic or just trivia cluttering up the page? JanderVK (talk) 20:33, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 September 2014
I sourced it properly, I made it proper just becuase you guys are retarded and cannot make virus based nano-machines does not mean that others cannot put my page back or so help me god Ebola will be the least of your problem.

Vmedvil (talk) 09:36, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. Some of this stuff could be of use, but then you have some rather far-reaching bits of original research and then a strange blurb on mythological creatures. In any case, given that your additions of this content from IP accounts have been reverted twice, don't think this is the scope of a edit request. Also, it is inexplicably rude.  Cannolis (talk) 05:53, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Virus-based
This approach proposes the usage of synthetic viral vector made by oligonucleotide synthesis such as retrovirus, lentivirus, and, adenovirus vectors to insert and deactivate genes within the human genome using reverse transcription with self-terminating loops to control the reproduction of the vector. Synthetic biologists have made many contributions to this area, making these living drugs do a wide range of functions from cancer cures to attempting to slow the aging process. The process of making these vectors is often called retroviral engineering or viral gene therapy. Retroviral engineering, a specialized branch of genetic engineering, uses engineered viruses to deliver after birth genetic alteration. This application can be used for peaceful, healing purposes, but can also be twisted by militant researchers into a horrific weapon of mass destruction making the atomic bomb look like child's play. These in hostile form able to cause an ecophagy event from one virion's accidental release. There being two types of chimera virus, the hostile harvester virus and the healing retroviral vector. These vectors can be used to make chimera animals and plants called genejacks or genetically modified organisms(GMO). Examples of such genejack creatures from mythology are the minotaur, kitsune, centaur, and angel being half human and half another species.

False Feynman endorsement
The section "Nanorobotic Theory" gives the impression that Richard Feynman proposed or believed that nanomachines were possible. In the linked article he makes no such claims. At best, he suggest the possibility of a machine comparable in size to a erythrocytes, several micrometers in size. But for the most part the article referenced focuses on minimizing components of machines such as computers to small sizes. I think the way the section is written leaves a false impression of Feynman's opinions on the matter. Klaun (talk) 02:34, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

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Kerestinec

Kerestinec is a village (naselje) west of Zagreb, in the Sveta Nedelja, Zagreb County municipality, infamous for events in Croatian history. It has 1,433 inhabitants living on an area of 4.71 km2.

History
The name of Kerestinec comes from Hungarian word kereszt which stands for "cross".

According to historical sources, there was a wooden chapel of Holy Cross near the Erdödy castle, Kerestinec. Since the Erdődys were a Croatian-Hungarian noble family, a lot of Hungarian words were used in that time, and this is why Kerestinec bears such a name.

On 6 February 1573, during the Croatian and Slovenian peasant revolt, government forces led by podban (deputy viceroy) of Croatia, Gašpar Alapić, defeated rebels in a battle near Kerestinec.

The Kerestinec prison gained infamy during World War II and then again during the Yugoslav Wars.

Today
Today, Kerestinec is one of the settlements of the town of Sveta Nedelja. Local buildings of note are the Erdödy castle and the parish church of the Holy Cross.

In terms of economy, Kerestinec is also the seat of several companies and numerous private enterprises.

Kerestinec is also the cultural center of Sveta Nedelja. The leader of cultural development is the local Cultural society Kerestinec. Other groups are the Sport-fishing club "Som", "TOP" Kerestinec Football club, Volunteer Fire Department Kerestinec and several other unions.

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 * 11:39, July 1, 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Race and intelligence "page locked, until you guys stop butting heads" -- Uncle Ed (talk) July 1, 2005 19:40 (UTC)
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Vanessa Jeri

Vanessa Jeri (born c. December 2, 1983) is a Peruvian comedy actress and model.

Biography
She has two sisters.

Jeri heard about a casting call for a comedy show named Mil Oficios (Jack of a Thousand Trades), attended the casting and was chosen to play one of the show's main characters, one of the two so-called Hermanas Terremoto (Earthquake Sisters), the other one being Sandra Arana, who had had more acting experience.

Mil Oficios became a hit on Peruvian television, giving Jeri celebrity in that country, as well as in some countries where the show was available via satellite television. She and Sandra Arana became sex symbols once the show hit the airwaves, and Jeri continued her acting career.

Jeri has also had her share of endorsements, including one for Clinica Renuance, an institution in Peru, where she admitted to having had a liposuction.

Jeri could most recently be seen on the comedy show Teatro Desde El Teatro (Theatre From The Theatre) which is shown on América Televisión in Peru.

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Sir Elwoodin hiljaiset värit

Sir Elwoodin hiljaiset värit is a Finnish rock band, hailing from the Helsinki suburb of Kannelmäki.

The band formed in 1989. Including Pete Loikala, they recorded their first demo tapes. Despite publishing records and touring regularly they did not get a major success until they released the single "Viimeisellä rannalla" (an homage to Nevil Shute's On the Beach) in 1993. They scored their biggest success in 1998 with the compilation "Varjoja, varkaita ja vanhoja valokuvia", selling more than 30,000 records (in a country of only 5 million), earning them a gold record. On 13 June 2004, the band was hit hard when Riku Järvinen, their bassist and occasional violinist, died in an accident. After having found a replacement in Järvinen's friend Puppe Luomanmäki at the tribute concert though, they decided to continue, and after releasing a second "greatest hits" compilation in 2005 the band released a new single, "Suomineito", in 2006, and a new record in 2007.

They are renowned for a distinguished style with heavy basement jazz influences. Some of their more successful songs are cover versions with adapted lyrics of well known classics ("Älä itke" ("Don't cry") is Neil Young's "Don't Cry No Tears", "Kaduilla Kallion" ("In the streets of Kallio") originates with Tom Waits as "In The Neighbourhood"), but they also feature many own songs. Their lyrics are often touched by melancholy and tell about every-day issues.

The band has yet to officially reveal the answer to the often asked question, how they came up with their name (literally "The silent colours of Sir Elwood"), and whether it has any deeper meaning at all.

Members

 * Juha Lehti (vocals, guitar, harmonica, since 1988)
 * Juha "Junnu" Saaresaho (keyboards, accordion, percussion, background vocals, since 1988)
 * Arttu Leskinen (drums, percussion, since 1989)
 * Jussi Virtanen (guitar, de facto since 1992, though officially only since 1997)
 * Pekka "Puppe" Luomanmäki (bass guitar, since 2004)

Former Members

 * Pete Loikala (bass guitar 1988–1990)
 * Jogi Kosonen (trumpet 1991)
 * Hansu Saarinen (saxophone and "whatever was needed" 1991–2003)
 * Riku Järvinen (bass guitar, violin, 1990–2004)

Discography

 * Varjoissa vapaan maailman (1991)
 * Yö tekee meistä varkaat (1992)
 * Kymmenen tikkua laudalla (1993)
 * Puoli viisi aamulla (1995)
 * Puunukke (1997)
 * Pyhää kamaa (1999)
 * Pohjoisesta tuulee taas (2001)
 * 18. tammikuuta (2003)
 * Sattuman kauppa (2007)
 * Kaipuun vuosirenkaita (2010)

Compilations and live albums

 * Varjoja, varkaita ja vanhoja valokuvia (1998) (Compilation)
 * Ilta illan jälkeen (2002) (live)
 * Varjoja, varkaita ja vanhoja valokuvia, osa 2 (2005) (Compilation & live)
 * Varjoja, varkaita ja vanhoja valokuvia, osa 3 (2009) (Compilation & live)
 * Varjoissa vapaan maailman (2011) (20 year jubileum live)

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James Napier (chemist)

James Napier (1810 – 1 December 1884) was a Scottish industrial chemist and antiquarian. He was a Fellow of the Royal Society of Edinburgh.

Life
James was born in June 1810 in Partick, Glasgow the son of James Napier, a gardener, and Margaret Buchanan, a seamstress. He was apprenticed as a dyer and attended extramural classes in chemistry at Glasgow University under Prof Thomas Graham.

Napier made several important advances within industrial chemistry and lodged several patents.

He joined the Philosophical Society of Glasgow in 1849, and many of his 32 known scientific papers were presented to the Society. He was elected a Fellow of the Royal Society of Edinburgh in 1876. His proposers were James Young, George Forbes, Lord Kelvin, and John Hutton Balfour.

After his wife died in March 1881, he never fully recovered from the event, and he died at his home, Maryfield, Bothwell, Lanarkshire on 1 December 1884.

Family
In October 1831 he married Christina McIndoe. They had eight children.

Publications
Amongst his publications are:

 * Manufacturing Art in Ancient Times
 * Notes and Reminiscences of Partick
 * Folk Lore or Superstitious Beliefs in the West of Scotland within This Century (1879)

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Little Star

Little Star may refer to:

Music

 * "Little Star" (The Elegants song), 1958
 * "Little Star", a 1961 song by Chuck Berry from the album New Juke Box Hits
 * "Little Star", a 1994 song by Stina Nordenstam from the album And She Closed Her Eyes
 * "Little Star", a 1998 song by Madonna from the album Ray of Light
 * Little Star Records, an independent label that existed from 1961 to 1963

Other uses

 * Little Star (TV series), a 2010 Filipino drama series
 * Little Star (novel), a 2010 novel by John Ajvide Lindqvist
 * Little Star Foundation, a charity established by Andrea Jaeger
 * Little Star (comic), a British nursery comic which launched in 1972 that was comparable to Bimbo
 * Little Star, a children's TV show that aired on Treehouse TV in the 1990s
 * Little Star Journal, a magazine of poetry and prose established in 2009

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Talk:Matlock (TV series)

Article based on original research?
There are no sources cited in the article. Is there any source dealing with the facts of the show Matlock? Did the character study law at Harvard? Did Kene Holliday actually drink or use drugs let alone battle with the addiction of drugs or alcohol? Sources are needed for verification and since this article lacks citations there is no way anyone can verify the information. As a result it looks more like a fan site that uses Original Research rather than a professional article using verifiable facts.

Page states he never loses a case
Actually he lost one. --Howmee 20:21, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

He lost quite a few. Most of those mentioned had the loss set before the start of the series. Will (Talk - contribs) 09:39, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Office changes?
--Will 03:00, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) Sometime after the first season ended, the set for Matlock's office got reversed. Any ideas why?
 * 2) By Season 4, the office was deleted. I assume the producers were attemptting to save money.  Am I correct?

Would anyone be interested in a section listing how some actors have had multiple roles in the series?
It looks really odd when one actor or actress plays two many roles in one series.

 * Dick Van Dyke played a murderous Judge in the first official episode. However, he also played Dr. Mark Sloane of Diagnosis: Murder.  Since Andy Griffith also played Matlock in that series for the episode Murder Two, the two universes are linked.

 * Brynn Thayer played Matlock's daughter, Leanne MacIntrye, in seasons 6-8. However, she also played a client of Ben's in The Suspect.

 * David Ogden Stiers played a murderer in Blind Justice and a crook in The Ambassador.

--Will 23:20, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Daniel Roebuck, in addition to playing Cliff Lewis seasons 7-9, also played a resident docter in The Doctors and a family friend in The Ambassador.

Yes, good idea, good job. It would also be good to put why the characters left the series as it went on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.40.4.67 (talk • contribs)

Nancy Stafford had another role before Michelle, also. Can't think of the ep title off the top of my head, but she, like Brynn Thayer (in her pre-Leanne role), flirted like mad with Matlock. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.165.137.194 (talk) 17:40, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Episode notes
The Hallmark Channel always airs two part episodes as a single two-hour movie. While they show one-part episodes in order, they skip the two-parters and show those in a seperate timeslot that is also used to show Perry Mason and other shows.

On the other hand, WGN-TV shows two-part episodes as they originally aired.--Will 23:25, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Possible POV comment
In the part on Brian Cranston (last entry) in Matlock (TV series), the entry ends with "You go, Brian Cranston!" Should that comment be removed? Will 06:26, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone know something about the "P.I." episode?
Since Matlock was only in the first couple of minutes, I think P.I. might have been an attempt to spin off a new series. What does everyone think? Will (Talk - contribs) 09:43, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Trivia section
It seems to me that the second sentence of the trivia section is so vague as to be worthless--how many is "a lot of episodes?" 208.59.164.233 17:42, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I thought the same. It should either be deleted or a number should be put in there. --Markdashark1212 22:49, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

personal phone conversations are original research
There's a reference claiming a personal phone conversation with an actor of the show as a citation. The article doesn't say whose personal conversation it is, and it sounds like if anything's original research, this is it. I'm going to remove this bit. Martijn Faassen 23:09, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Accuracy of Article
I want to challenge the accuracy of the cast element of the article as follows:

Any comments? -- Redfarmer (talk) 19:57, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Daniel Roebuck appeared on the show at the same time as Nancy Huston as evidenced by this opening theme from the final season of the show:
 * I wasn't a huge fan during the last few seasons, but I don't remember Kene Holliday ever returning to the show in the final seasons. As I remember it, Daniel Roebuck was Matlock's private investigater after Clarence Gilyard Jr. but after Brynn Thayer left, became Matlock's assistant and Nancy Huston was added to the show.
 * I also recall that Daniel Roebuck was on the show for at least a season with Clarence Gilyard Jr..

Yes. Nancy Huston never appeared in any episodes of Matlock. Rather, it was Carol Huston who was the final added regular. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Glenn L (talk • contribs) 00:43, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

I personally raise questions about the so-called "silent outros" of Seasons 1-6. As I recall, it was actually a shortened version of the show's theme that was played during the closing credits while stills from that episode were displayed. I believe that was the case actually for the entire series. Can anyone verify this? Comment added by Chris A — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.76.84.62 (talk) 03:45, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Also, Matlock wasn't a public defender, he was a prosecutor. This was covered in a flashback episode. 2601:150:100:BE50:9C2F:FBF0:6882:8A32 (talk) 11:14, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Spinoff Matlocks programmes
It's a little-known-FACT. Bit the show Matlock was a spin-off of ANOTHER SHOW... entitled "Open all Night" which in it starred Sam Whipple as the proprieter of the shop's son and was in itself a spin-off or a conversion of a BRITISH television programme called "Open all Hours", which starred Ronnie Corbett as the proproieter of the shop itself and even had David Joason from Only Fools + Horses playing his assistent. This is a little-known-fact but I think it should be in the article even in the section which is specificially titled "SPIN-OFFS" because the show was in and of itself a spin-off of the show starring Sam Whipple, and even the article itself said this until very recently and was referenced until someone deleted this information and denied it with spite, but I'm concerned that if I do so myself it will be a problem caused, because I have been threated with not editing ppriviliges to revoke because if they do and they see me they think its/it's/it is vandalism, which I can probe it is not because the information is even online about Matlock being a pin-off of Open All Night, and the article should mention this.

Thankyou and I'm sorry for the not very good english, I am a slow learner and I am not from an English-language-spoken country by birth or by naturalistion or even by visiting often, so thankyou Popping Corns 11:19, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

 * Just for the record, Matlock was not in any way, shape, or form a spinoff of Up All Night. __209.179.0.121 (talk) 22:32, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Also, when is this and can I do it safely?
Popping Corns 11:35, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Program Format
Should we include the fact that in the first season after every segment an image of the three main characters and the word: "Matlock" was on the screen? --InformationContributor11 (talk) 12:34, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Proposed merge with List of Matlock characters
Matlock isn't that big that the list of characters needs to be WP:SPUNOUT. Technical 13 (talk) 19:56, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

 * I don't know why I didn't notice this before. Anyway, I don't know how big it was when this was proposed, but right now it's close to 21,000 bytes, and if the content here was added, it definitely would be too big – in my opinion. Musdan77 (talk) 00:11, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

 * We don't use file size when determining when to split or merge, we use readable prose size. Right now, the two articles have a combined readable prose size of less than 20kB, which is well below WP:SIZERULE's 40kB "Length alone does not justify division" limit. Merging the two articles should therefore not be based on article size but whether the content is appropriate here. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 00:38, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * @Musdan77 you your u 174.65.114.32 (talk) 20:58, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Needs cleanup
This article needs a lot of work, from the lede on down. I'll try sometime if I ever find a round tu-it. For one thing this show is a comedy-drama, and the lede makes it sound like it's another Perry Mason show. It's not. I also chuckled when Conrad is described as, "a former young North Carolina deputy sheriff." You mean he's old now?

__209.179.0.121 (talk) 22:32, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Cameo/Spoof
In "The Simpsons" Lisa vs Malibu Stacey...there is a short of Ben Matlock being mobbed at the Senior Citizens Home and later being taken away in an ambulance. Would have expected Andy Griffith to speak as "Matlock" but I guess as he is never credited....he never really was on it..? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.5.90.84 (talk) 02:34, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

When did Matlock's goofiness come in?
I just rewatched "The Don" from the first season. As I recalled from watching Matlock in 1986 and onwards, I felt there was a character change: In the early episodes he was quite serious, more like Perry Mason, while his personality became more quirky in later episodes (which I personally did not like). Am I right? 73.158.1.25 (talk) 13:56, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Should have sections for Reception, Legacy, and possibly "In Popular Culture"
Bueller 007 (talk) 11:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

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Thomas Aikenhead

Thomas Aikenhead (bapt. 28 March 1676 – 8 January 1697) was a Scottish student from Edinburgh, who was prosecuted and executed at the age of 20 on a charge of blasphemy under the Act against Blasphemy 1661 and Act against Blasphemy 1695. He was the last person in Great Britain to be executed for blasphemy. His execution occurred 85 years after the death of Edward Wightman (1612), the last person to be burned at the stake for heresy in England.

Early life
Thomas Aikenhead was the son of James Aikenhead and Helen Ramsey. His father was a burgess of Edinburgh, as was his paternal grandfather (also named Thomas Aikenhead). His maternal grandfather was a clergyman. He was baptized on 28 March 1676, the fourth child and first son of the family. Of his three older sisters (Jonet, Katherine, and Margaret), at least one and possibly two died before he was born.

Indictment
During his studies at the University of Edinburgh, he engaged in discussions regarding religion with his friends and accounts from at least five of those friends formed the basis of indictment.

Aikenhead was indicted in December 1696. The indictment read: "That ... the prisoner had repeatedly maintained, in conversation, that theology was a rhapsody of ill-invented nonsense, patched up partly of the moral doctrines of philosophers, and partly of poetical fictions and extravagant chimeras: That he ridiculed the holy scriptures, calling the Old Testament Ezra's fables, in profane allusion to Esop's Fables; That he railed on Christ, saying, he had learned magick in Egypt, which enabled him to perform those pranks which were called miracles: That he called the New Testament the history of the imposter Christ; That he said Moses was the better artist and the better politician; and he preferred Muhammad to Christ: That the Holy Scriptures were stuffed with such madness, nonsense, and contradictions, that he admired the stupidity of the world in being so long deluded by them: That he rejected the mystery of the Trinity as unworthy of refutation; and scoffed at the incarnation of Christ."

Trial and sentence
The case was prosecuted by the Lord Advocate, Sir James Stewart, who demanded the death penalty in order to set an example to others who might otherwise express such opinions. On 24 December 1696, the jury found Aikenhead guilty of cursing and railing against God, denying the incarnation and the Trinity, and scoffing at the Scriptures.

He was sentenced to death by hanging. This was an extraordinary penalty, as the statute called for execution only upon the third conviction for this offence; first-time offenders were to be sack-clothed and imprisoned.

According to Aikenhead's entry in the Dictionary of Unitarian and Universalist Biography (written by Andrew Hill): Aikenhead petitioned the Privy Council to consider his "deplorable circumstances and tender years". Also, he had forgotten to mention that he was also a first time offender. Two ministers and two Privy Councillors pleaded on his behalf, but to no avail. On 7 January, after another petition, the Privy Council ruled that they would not grant a reprieve unless the church interceded for him. The Church of Scotland's General Assembly, sitting in Edinburgh at the time, urged "vigorous execution" to curb "the abounding of impiety and profanity in this land". Thus Aikenhead's sentence was confirmed.

Execution
On the morning of 8 January 1697, Aikenhead wrote to his friends that "it is a principle innate and co-natural to every man to have an insatiable inclination to the truth, and to seek for it as for hid treasure... So I proceeded until the more I thought thereon, the further I was from finding the verity I desired..." Aikenhead may have read this letter outside the Tolbooth, before making the long walk, under guard, to the gallows on the road between Edinburgh and Leith. He was said to have died Bible in hand, "with all the Marks of a true Penitent".

Thomas Babington Macaulay, British historian of the 19th century, said of Aikenhead's death that "the preachers who were the poor boy's murderers crowded round him at the gallows, and... insulted heaven with prayers more blasphemous than anything he had uttered."

Aikenhead was the last person hanged for blasphemy in Great Britain, although it remained a capital offence in Scotland until 1825.

In fiction
The case of Thomas Aikenhead provides the inspiration for Dilys Rose's novel Unspeakable (2017). Aikenhead features as a central character in Heather Richardson's novel Doubting Thomas (2017).

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Hoefler Text

Hoefler Text is an old-style serif font by Jonathan Hoefler released by Apple Computer Inc. (now Apple Inc.) in 1991 to showcase advanced type technologies. Intended as a versatile font that is suitable for body text, it takes cues from a range of classic fonts, such as designs by Miklós Kis and Jean Jannon.

A version of Hoefler Text has been included with every version of the classic Mac OS since System 7.5 and in every version of macOS. Hoefler's company, Hoefler&Co., have continued development of the typeface, developing for sale a range of additional variants.

Released free with every Mac during the growth of desktop publishing, at a time when producing printed documents was becoming dramatically easier, Hoefler Text raised awareness of type features previously the concern only of professional printers. New York magazine commented in 2014 that it "helped launch a thousand font obsessives." Hoefler Text was used in the Wikipedia logo until the 2010 redesign, when it was replaced with Linux Libertine.

Features
Hoefler Text incorporates then-advanced features which have since become standard practice for font designers, such as automatic ligature insertion, real small capitals, optional old style figures and optional insertion of characters such as true superscript and subscript characters, the historical round and long s, engraved capitals and swashes. Hoefler Text also has a matching ornament font containing arabesque motifs. It was, until OpenType made alternate characters more common, one of only a few system fonts that contained old style, or ranging, figures, which are designed to harmonize with body text.

Hoefler&Co. expanded Hoefler Text to include additional typographic features, and the current commercial release now includes three weights (an additional bold weight beside the regular and black included with Macs) and two sets of engraved capitals, as well as the more slender display variant Hoefler Titling. These are released in the OpenType format, intended for cross-platform usage.

The design is based on the types Janson and Garamond No. 3 typefaces, both of whose historical names are misattributions; the designs were created by punchcutters Miklós Tótfalusi Kis and Jean Jannon respectively.

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Talk:The Nerve Agents

Youth of Today
Makes no sense. Youth of Today having a dark style? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.109.121.66 (talk) 09:15, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Untitled
I heard that the Days of the white owl albums contains a mistery that fans where supposed to figure out. Any information such as website or any other type would be good.

band formation
"and other members of wich i don't have information" - removed from main article

Added Sessions Comp
and fan site link - Xfourninetwox 06:44, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

title: Talk:The Nerve Agents