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Panzer Division Müncheberg

Panzer-Division Müncheberg was a German panzer division which saw action on the Eastern Front around Berlin during World War II.

Formation
Panzer-Division Müncheberg began forming on 8 March 1945 in Müncheberg, Germany. The majority of the division's staff and panzer troops were drawn from the 103rd SS Heavy Panzer Battalion, which had been dissolved three days before; the brigade's commander, Major General Werner Mummert, was placed in command of the division.

The Müncheberg Division received several Ausf. G Panther tanks equipped with Sperber Infrared (IR) systems, as well as a company of Panzergrenadiers equipped with Sperber IR systems. The division received several of the superheavy Jagdtigers, as well as several Tiger IIs, and the last five Tiger Is to be sent to the front. By 12 March the division's strength was 6,836 men. On 18 March the men from an infantry battalion of the 1st SS Panzer Division Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler were used to bolster the division's strength.

As the advancing Soviet forces neared Müncheberg, the partly formed Müncheberg Division was ordered to move east as the mobile reserve for the 9th Army, which was part of Army Group Vistula.

Küstrin and Seelow Heights
The town of Küstrin lies roughly 70 km to the east of Berlin. Adolf Hitler had declared that the town was to be a fortress (Festung). Unlike other so-called fortress towns and cities, Festung Küstrin was indeed a fortress. The forces of Marshal Vasily Chuikov had reached the outskirts of Küstrin on 31 January and attempted to secure a bridgehead across the Oder. Bridgeheads were established to the north and south of Küstrin, but the Soviet forces could not consolidate their bridgehead until Küstrin was captured. Chuikov's forces, hesitant to attack the well-defended fortress, began attempts to surround Küstrin.

Despite repeated Soviet attacks, the narrow strip of land between Busse's 9th Army and Küstrin, dubbed the Küstrin Corridor, was kept open. On 22 March a major Soviet effort to sever the corridor went into action. The Soviet plan consisted of an inner and outer encirclement. The inner encirclement succeeded quickly, and the corridor was cut. Müncheberg went into action on 22 March alongside XXXIX Panzer Corps. By 25 March the outer encirclement was completed, trapping several German units including a platoon from the Müncheberg.

On 27 March, the Germans launched a counter-offensive aimed at re-opening the Küstrin Corridor. Müncheberg was subordinated to XXXIX Panzer Corps for the attack. The corps was unable to break through to the city. A Soviet counter-attack hit the 20th Panzergrenadier Division and soon the attack was in disarray, with elements of the 20th falling back in a disorganised rout. After the failure of the Küstrin counter-attack, Müncheberg was pulled out of the line to be refitted.

On 16 April the Red Army launched an offensive operation across the Alte Oder aimed at capturing Berlin. From this date until the end of the war, Müncheberg was in constant combat. On 20 April Müncheberg, together with its neighboring formation 11th SS Volunteer Grenadier Division Nordland fell back into Berlin itself.

Berlin
The division was pushed back into Berlin itself by the advancing Soviet forces. The remnants of the Müncheberg were positioned in the north-eastern sector of Berlin, north of the River Spree. By this stage, the division retained roughly a dozen tanks and about thirty halftracks.

On 25 April, General Helmuth Weidling, the recently appointed commander of the defence of Berlin, ordered Mummert to take command of the LVI Panzer Corps, command of the Müncheberg being handed over to Colonel Hans-Oscar Wöhlermann, the artillery commander (ArKo) for the city. On 26 April Müncheberg, along with Nordland, was ordered to attack towards Tempelhof Airport and Neukolln. With its last ten panzers, the Müncheberg initially made progress, but several local Soviet counter-attacks soon halted the advance.

Around noon on 26 April Wöhlermann was released from command and Mummert was reinstated as commander of the division. The following is from the diary of an officer with the Müncheberg Division and describes the evening of 26 April. "Scarlet night. Heavy artillery fire. Uncanny silence. We get shot at from many houses. Foreign workers, no doubt. From the Air Ministry comes news that General Erich Bärenfänger has been relieved of his post of commander of the Berlin garrison. One hour later we hear that General Weidling is our new commander. General Mummert takes charge of the Tank Corps..." On 27 April, very early in the morning, Hitler ordered the flooding of the Berlin underground to slow the advancing Red Army. Hitler's order resulted in the drowning of many German soldiers and civilians who had taken refuge in the tunnels. The diary of the officer with the Müncheberg Division went on to describe the flooding. "New command post: Anhalter subway station. Platforms and control rooms look like an armed camp. Women and children huddle in niches and corners. Others sit about in deck chairs. They all listen for the sounds of battle... Suddenly water starts to pour into the station. Screams, sobs, curses. People fighting around the ladders that run through the air shafts up to the streets. Masses of gurgling water rush over the stairs. Children and wounded are abandoned and trampled to death. The water rises three feet or more and then slowly goes down. The panic lasts for hours. Many are drowned. Reason: On somebody's orders, engineers have blasted the locks of the canal between Schoeneburg and Mockern Bridges to flood the tunnels against the advancing Russians. Meanwhile heavy fighting has been going on above ground level. Change of position to Potsdamer Platz subway station in the late afternoon. Command post on the first floor, as tunnels still under water. Direct hits on the roof. Heavy losses among wounded and civilians. Smoke pours in through the shell holes. Outside, stacks of Panzerfausts go up in the air. Another direct hit, one flight below street level. A horrible sight: Men, soldiers, women, and children are literally glued to the wall."

See also History of the Berlin U-Bahn

As the division fought in Wilmersdorf, the encirclement of Berlin was completed and the remnants of the Müncheberg were trapped. The diary of the officer with the Müncheberg Division also described the "flying courts-martial" prevalent at this time: "Flying courts-martial unusually prominent today. Most of them very young SS officers. Hardly a decoration among them. Blind and fanatical. The hope of relief and the fear of these courts bring men back to the fighting. General Mummert refuses to allow any further courts-martial in the sector under his command... He is determined to shoot down personally any courts-martial that appears... We cannot hold the Potsdamer Platz and move through the subway tunnel to Nollendorferplatz. In the tunnel next to ours, the Russians are advancing in the opposite direction."

On 30 April, Hitler committed suicide. The Müncheberg, 18th Panzergrenadier Division along with a few Tiger IIs from SS Heavy Panzer Battalion 103 were engaged in heavy fighting near the Westkreuz and Halensee train stations and on the Kurfurstendamm. By 1 May the division had been pushed back to the Tiergarten and was fighting to defend the Zoo Flak Tower, the shelter of thousands of civilians. The Müncheberg's last operating panzer, a Tiger 1, was abandoned on the Unter den Linden straße a hundred metres from the Brandenburg Gate.

The division, together with the remnants of 18th Panzergrenadier, attempted to escape Berlin to the west, to surrender to the Americans. On 3 May the divisions had reached a crossing over the Havel River in Spandau, under fire by the Red Army. Those who made it across the bridge found that they were surrounded by the Soviet forces; on the same day, the division ceased to exist.

Commanders

 * Generalmajor der Reserve Werner Mummert (9 Mar 1945 – 25 Apr 1945)
 * Oberst Hans-Oscar Wöhlermann (25 Apr 1945 – 26 Apr 1945)
 * Generalmajor der Reserve Werner Mummert (26 Apr 1945 – 4 May 1945)

Order of battle

 * 1st Müncheberg Panzer Grenadier Regiment
 * 2nd Müncheberg Panzer Grenadier Regiment
 * Kummersdorf Panzer Battalion
 * Müncheberg Panzer Artillery Regiment
 * Müncheberg Panzer Reconnaissance Company
 * Müncheberg Panzerjäger Company
 * Müncheberg Pioneer Company
 * Müncheberg Signals Company

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Zonisamide

Zonisamide, sold under the brand name Zonegran among others, is a medication used to treat the symptoms of epilepsy and Parkinson's disease. Chemically it is a sulfonamide. It serves as an anticonvulsant used primarily as an adjunctive therapy in adults with Parkinson's disease, partial-onset seizures; infantile spasm, mixed seizure types of Lennox–Gastaut syndrome, myoclonic and generalized tonic clonic seizure. Despite this it is also sometimes used as a monotherapy for partial-onset seizures.

In 2020, it was the 276th most commonly prescribed medication in the United States, with more than 1million prescriptions.

Epilepsy
Zonisamide is approved in the United States, and United Kingdom for adjunctive treatment of partial seizures in adults and Japan for both adjunctive and monotherapy for partial seizures (simple, complex, secondarily generalized), generalized (tonic, tonic-clonic (grand mal), and atypical absence) and combined seizures. In Australia it is marketed as both an adjunctive therapy and monotherapy for partial seizures only.

Parkinson's disease
It has been approved for the treatment of the motor symptoms of Parkinson's disease (PD), as an adjunct to levodopa, in a few countries such as Japan. In Japan, zonisamide has been used as an adjunct to levodopa treatment since 2009. In addition, there is clinical evidence that zonisamide in combination with levodopa control of motor symptoms of PD but evidence for the treatment of the non motor symptoms of PD lacking.

Adverse effects
 Adverse effects by incidence:

Very common (>10% incidence) adverse effects include:

 * Anorexia
 * Somnolence
 * Dizziness
 * Agitation
 * Irritability
 * Confusional state
 * Depression
 * Diplopia
 * Memory impairment
 * Decreased bicarbonate

Common (1–10% incidence) adverse effects include:

 * Ecchymosis
 * Hypersensitivity
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 * Anxiety
 * Insomnia
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Incidence unknown

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Interactions
Zonisamide and other carbonic anhydrase inhibitors such as topiramate, furosemide, and hydrochlorothiazide have been known to interfere with amobarbital, which has led to inadequate anesthetization during the Wada test. Zonisamide may also interact with other carbonic anhydrase inhibitors to increase the potential for metabolic acidosis.

Additionally, the metabolism of zonisamide is inhibited by ketoconazole, ciclosporin, miconazole, fluconazole and carbamazepine (in descending order of inhibition) due to their effects on the CYP3A4 enzyme.

Zonisamide is not known to inhibit cytochrome P450 enzymes when present at therapeutic concentrations.

Mechanism of action
Zonisamide is an antiseizure drug chemically classified as a sulfonamide and unrelated to other antiseizure agents. The precise mechanism by which zonisamide exerts its antiseizure effect is unknown, although it is believed that the drug blocks sodium and T-type calcium channels, which leads to the suppression of neuronal hypersynchronization (that is, seizure-form activity). It is also known to be a weak carbonic anhydrase inhibitor (similarly to the anticonvulsant topiramate). It is also known to modulate GABAergic and glutamatergic neurotransmission.

Absorption
Variable, yet relatively rapid rate of absorption with a time to peak concentration of 2.8–3.9 hours. Bioavailability is close to 100% and food has no effect on the bioavailability of zonisamide but may affect the rate of absorption.

Metabolism
Zonisamide is metabolized mostly by the CYP3A4 isoenzyme, but also CYP3A7 and CYP3A5, to 2-(sulphamoylacetyl)-phenol via reductive cleavage of the 1,2-benzisoxazole ring.

History
Zonisamide was discovered by Uno and colleagues in 1972 and launched by Dainippon Sumitomo Pharma (formerly Dainippon Pharmaceutical) in 1989 as Excegran in Japan. It was marketed by Élan in the United States starting in 2000 as Zonegran, before Élan transferred their interests in zonisamide to Eisai Co., Ltd. in 2004. Eisai also markets Zonegran in Asia (China, Taiwan, and fourteen others) and Europe (starting in Germany and the United Kingdom).

Tardive dyskinesia
In an open-label trial zonisamide attenuated the symptoms of tardive dyskinesia.

Obesity
It has also been studied for obesity with significant positive effects on body weight loss and there are three ongoing clinical trials for this indication. It was to be sold, when combined with bupropion, under the brand name Empatic, until its development was discontinued.

Migraine
Zonisamide has been studied for and used as a migraine preventative medication, when topiramate is either ineffective or cannot be continued due to side effects.

Bipolar depression
It has also been used off-label by psychiatrists as a mood stabilizer to treat bipolar depression.

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Talk:Industrial metal

Nu metal
I'm pretty sure that nu metal has been significantly influenced by industrial metal, especially by Nine Inch Nails. Any chance that we might have some time to add a new section before January 13nth? Musicaindustrial (talk) 14:39, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Yeah, we can add information reflecting that, and if you want to push back the deadline that's cool with me. I don't happen to have any sources lying around on nu metal, is the thing. If you do, go for it. Aryder779 (talk) 22:38, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * If we produce such a section, we should definitely make note of Godflesh's influence on Slipknot. Aryder779 (talk) 23:16, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Let's do the following: we could send the article right now for evaluation, because a new section would take ages to complete. After the whole "good article" process we can add some extra stuff, so we can make it a feature article (I certainly hope so!). Musicaindustrial (talk) 18:55, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * "I'm pretty sure that nu metal has been significantly influenced by industrial metal." You may be right, unfortunately you are not a reliable source though. Before you add something saying nu metal has been significantly influenced by industrial metal you will need some reliable sources definitively saying just that. Landon1980 (talk) 03:24, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I've contributed with half of this article's references and personally own all of the articles and books on the "Further reading" section; so, I'm confident that I can find the appropriate sources for this task. Considering that fact, your point seems perhaps... unecessary? Musicaindustrial (talk) 15:11, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the last paragraph of the "extreme industrial metal" section should be reworked into a nu metal crossover section, but don't want to start on that right now since we're a hairsbreadth away from GA. Aryder779 (talk) 16:31, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm in the process of integrating the "legacy" section into the timeline. I've put a mention of nu metal at the end of the "commercial rise" section. It seems to me that if nu metal is greatly influenced by industrial metal -- which I agree that it is -- it should probably be noted on the nu metal page, more than here. Aryder779 (talk) 23:09, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Allmusic once called industrial metal "the heavy metal of the 1990s." I while don't fully agree with that assessment, it is interesting to note that in various ways industrial metal was a forerunner to nu metal. Like the then-called "Funk O' Metal" (Faith No More, Jane's Addiction, the Red Hot Chili Peppers), industrial metal certainly freed metal to experiment with other music forms - in "i-metal"'s case, from industrial music (of course) and electronica to hip-hop.

 * But, at their core, industrial metal and nu metal seem to be very different. Industrial metal, in terms of attitude and music, has always been closer to punk and alternative rock - the intent to be musically experimental, the ironic humor, the occasional social commentary. In the other hand, nu metal is/was rarely political, and by adopting rap's braggard, mysogenist persona and marrying it with big, loud riffs, it had a populist appeal that industrial metal never quite achieved. No wonder Marilyn Manson called it "jock rock".

 * Ok, I'm disgressing. What I suggest is to show how nu metal had already taken, in the late 1990s, industrial metal's place as the most popular "new" form of metal. If we could find the proper sources to prove that rationale, it could be an interesting addition to the article. Musicaindustrial (talk) 11:45, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

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 * This file has been deleted, and also from industrial music, where it was originally posted. Aryder779 (talk) 23:36, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Possible additions to the "Controversy" section

 * Alec Empire of Atari Teenage Riot critizing Rammstein for their "Stripped" video, which uses scenes from Olympia, directed by official Third Reich documentarist Leni Riefenstahl:.
 * An article written by Marilyn Manson (and published by Rolling Stone magazine), where he adresses the accusations which led him to be the Columbine Massacre scapegoat:.
 * KMFDM and Rammstein speaking out about Columbine:.

Musicaindustrial (talk) 16:49, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

 * Yeah, that's good stuff, especially the Alec Empire/Rammstein disagreement. Aryder779 (talk) 16:31, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Good article status
I've just filled out the refs, except for the statement about Mike Scaccia. This allmusic bio partly does the trick, but doesn't support the information about Scaccia being surprised by the offer. If necessary, that clause can be deleted. Aryder779 (talk) 16:29, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sure I've read this somewhere on one of my old Alternative Press (or was it B-Side?) magazines. But if I can't find this source in time, go ahead and delete that part of the phrase... It's the right thing to do! Musicaindustrial (talk) 23:24, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Is all the necessary editing done? I could give a heads-up to Daniel Case, so we could wrap up the review process. Musicaindustrial (talk) 21:51, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think it's all been taken care of. Aryder779 (talk) 15:22, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

In Regards to "Industrial Black Metal"
I find it completely disrespectful that the 'industrial black metal' headline was gotten rid of. It is understandable that a more collective 'extreme industrial metal' headline was put in, but the fact of the matter is that there was no mention in there of 'industrial black metal' in any form. Jotsko (talk) 05:40, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * What are your suggestions? Musicaindustrial (talk) 02:23, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

 * Industrial black metal is now covered at European industrial metal, and mentioned briefly in that section of this page. No disrespect is intended at all; I really like industrial black metal. There are length concerns as industrial metal is a pretty big field, so it can be difficult to organize these things. Hope you understand. The "extreme industrial metal" section covers an earlier period and perhaps will eventually be retitled "industrial death metal." - Aryder779. 67.191.153.112 (talk) 15:30, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

White Zombie and Marilyn Manson
These two artists need to be introduced in either the "early innovators" or "commercial rise" sections. As it is, they suddenly turn up in the "film and video" section, before they've been introduced as famous and popular industrial metal groups. I will probably do this myself in the near future. Aryder779 (talk) 22:37, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I've got some mid to late 1990s White Zombie/Rob Zombie magazine articles that could be put to good use. Musicaindustrial (talk) 07:42, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Crossover with other genres
I'm beginning to realize that this section could potentially go on forever, and is kind of inconsequential. Musicians who have collaborated with or name-checked industrial metal acts include David Bowie, Iggy Pop, Alice Cooper, Rob Halford, Adrian Belew, R.E.M., Slash, Shelter, Tori Amos, Eminem, DMX, Josh Wink, Aphex Twin, Autechre, Fiona Apple, Timbaland, Aaliyah (apparently), Gibby Haynes, GWAR, Cirque du Soleil, Richard Cheese, Weird Al Yankovic, etc. etc. It's kind of interesting in itself that industrial metal's popularity became so widespread, but I think the section will eventually have to be spun off into its own page, or, conceivably, deleted, as it has a kind of "six degrees of Kevin Bacon" quality. Of course, I wrote much of this section, and take responsibility for its somewhat trivial nature. Aryder779 (talk) 15:13, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Certainly delete any and all references to people that have name-checked industrial acts as trivial, probably also individual collaborations. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 16:58, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Featured article
I've been trying to read Wikipedia documents lately to see what would be necessary to get this to featured article status. The closest comparable article to have reached this is Grunge music, near as I can tell; heavy metal music and punk rock are also both featured articles. In the past, it seemed most necessary to collect information here and gather sources; now I think it's mainly a matter of determining priorities. For example, I've been cutting out much of the "crossover" section because it seemed anecdotal and unhelpful, and expanding the "controversy" section, because that seemed more newsworthy or important to a general reader. I welcome any suggestions or criticisms of any the things I choose to emphasize or de-emphasize here. One thing that makes this article tricky is that there aren't many recent sources on "industrial metal" as a whole, but lots of sources on Nine Inch Nails, Marilyn Manson, Rob Zombie, and Justin Broadrick, in particular. Aryder779 (talk) 15:25, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Groove metal
I've renamed the "Extreme industrial metal" section "Industrial thrash and death metal", because this seemed more specific. One question: should groove metal be addressed here as well? Pantera is currently referred to as a thrash metal band, which I'm sure many people would dispute, though Cowboys from Hell certainly seems like a thrash metal album to me. My understanding is that Pantera, Sepultura, Fear Factory, and White Zombie are all sometimes grouped together as groove metal, and all four of these bands definitely have links to industrial metal. The trouble is that groove metal doesn't seem to be a terribly well-sourced or widely used term, except as a description of Pantera's style. Aryder779 (talk) 16:04, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You know, I'm a bit of a skeptic regarding the so-called "groove metal" genre. I mean, the first time I heard this term was two years ago, here in Wikipedia. Just look at the article's talk page and you'll see the sheer amount of criticism directed towards that term.

 * I started listening to metal in 1991, so I "was there" when Pantera were in the height of their popularity. I also "was there" when Sepultura released Chaos A.D., when Machine Head first came around and when Fear Factory released Demanufacture. And you know what? Nobody mentioned "groove metal". It was simply considered an extension of thrash which had no new genre tag applied to it. I mean, you could easily spot Pantera's influence on Sepultura's and Fear Factory's mid-1990s output, but that didn't make them belong to a whole new genre. Yes, "power groove" can be sourced - I have a 1992 Kerrang! interview which Anselmo mentions it, but "groove metal"? I think it is a recent (2000s) internet invention, and nobody has disproven me so far. Musicaindustrial (talk) 18:24, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

 * I'm glad someone else said this. I've been listening to metal for a similar length of time, and hadn't come across the term "groove metal" prior to Wikipedia and naively assumed it was an American term I simply hadn't encountered. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 17:01, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

 * Well, even if it's a post-dated term, that doesn't necessarily make it invalid. Subgenres are often determined retroactively. The real question is whether it's widely-used enough to be applied outside a very narrow coterie, and it looks like ... no. Aryder779 (talk) 18:24, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

 * Yeah, I know exactly what you mean, both on the retroactive thing, and the fact that it really isn't a widespread term. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 23:10, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

The sources
This is a good article but I want to ask if someone could do one thing for me. I'd like to read the articles cited 15-18, but they are not very clearly defined in the reference section, I can't find them anywhere with that information. Can anyone make clearer references to these sources? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.144.26.146 (talk) 18:03, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

 * Did you look at the bibliography, where the full information for each article is included? I'm sorry if you already looked there, but I don't think the citation system is confusing. Aryder779 (talk) 02:43, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Founder info
Regarding Killing Joke as founders of IM, RE: HBH "It's simply a classic, and it has to be said that while Ministry often gets the acclaim as industrial metal pioneers, one listen to Hosannas should convince the listener that Killing Joke deserves similar accolades (lest one think that Killing Joke is riding on Ministry's industrial metal bandwagon, it's really the other way around -- Killing Joke predates Ministry and in fact Al Jourgenson has listed Killing Joke as an influence" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.196.3.193 (talk) 18:53, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

 * There's no question that Killing Joke predated Ministry; I think concern revolves around whether they constitute "metal," rather than industrial rock. That, and the necessity of a reliable source. Aryder779 (talk) 02:43, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

 * a) Anonymous, to prove your point you're mentioning a Killing Joke album released in 2006 - Hosannas from the Basements of Hell (Killing Joke has been putting out records since 1979). Ministry's first industrial metal record was The Land of Rape and Honey which came out in originally 1988, so...
 * b) Killing Joke has traditionally been agressive and guitar-oriented, but that doesn't mean they're metal. They've always been too weird or too dance-oriented to be considered metal. Also, Geordie's guitar riffs have never resembled traditional metal (or rock) riffs. Musicaindustrial (talk) 15:17, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

cyber metal
cyber metal redirects to this article (from articles of bands that are listed as being "cyber metal" yet no explanation or mention of what cyber exists in this article. Care to fix this? (I'm really wondering what it is. Supposedly bands such as The Kovenant and ...And Oceans are cyber metal) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.228.83.203 (talk) 03:39, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

 * The term appears to be vaguely defined. See Talk:European industrial metal. Aryder779 (talk) 19:15, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

The "Commercial rise" section
...is completely bullshit. None of these bands are Industrial metal. Neither Manson nor a shitty pop group like Orgy... Static-X is Alternative metal. And really nobody gives a flying fuck about Rammstein. They never played Industrial metal. In fact, the late 1990s mark the decline of the Industrial metal genre and the rise of Alternative metal and Nu metal.

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Industrial metal
...is a blend of Industrial DANCE music (EBM etc.) and metal riffs. It has not much to do with Industrial music. NIN were influenced by Front 242. Ministry adopted Nitzer Ebb sequenes on The Land of Rape and Honey. And Rammstein have a shit to do with Industrial metal. They use techno elements in Sehnsucht.

Fusion genres
Industrial death metal, industrial thrash metal, industrial black metal, and digital hardcore are fusion genres of industrial metal, according to their sections/pages. Sixty Minute Limit (talk) 12:25, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Industrial Metal today
I suggest a new section after “Commercial rise” called “Industrial Metal today” as the history just sort of stops abruptly at the early 2000s and doesn’t discuss the directions the genre has taken since then (including the 2010s resurgence with artists like 3TEETH, Lindemann, Combichrist). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:c7f:be66:400:edc9:7cde:e48c:7b32 (talk • contribs) 07:38, November 24, 2019 (UTC)
 * We would need some sources that discuss the changes in the genre over that time. Not just individual artists, but the genre overall. —  The Hand That Feeds You :Bite 15:42, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

"Prominent bands include..."
There should be a way to rephrase this so that it doesn't invite people to add their favorite band to the list. This seems to be sourced content (I haven't looked through the sources to make sure all those bands are listed), but maybe what we should do is say why they're being called prominent – is it because they've all had best-selling albums? NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 07:40, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

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Water Taxi Beach

Water Taxi Beach was an artificial temporary beach operated from 2005 to 2010 on a wharf on the East River in the Hunters Point section of Long Island City, in the New York City borough of Queens. It was operated by the New York Water Taxi Company and was open to the public for free during the summer months. The beach was also rented for private parties. In concept, Water Taxi Beach was similar to Paris Beach in Paris, France. The beach was operated by Harry Hawk and Tony Rosciglione and partners who ran the beach owned by NY Water Taxi, now Harbor Experience Companies. It was part of a public-private partnership with the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.

The beach concept was created in 2005 as an experiment in community and economic development by New York Water Taxi to attract Manhattanites to Long Island City and to make weekend ferries serving the new residential high-rises near the beach financially viable. The success of the beach led New York Water Taxi to propose a similar project at the Atlantic Basin in Red Hook, Brooklyn. In 2005, the company started planning service to Governors Island, started service on June 2, 2008, and opened a Water Taxi beach there on July 10, 2009. A beach was also opened at the South Street Seaport on Memorial Day Weekend, 2009.

The restaurant Harry's at Water Taxi Beach served barbecue-type foods such as hamburgers, hot dogs, beer, wine, and tropical drinks. There was also a full catering menu. In May 2008, Harry's won first place in a contest to determine which restaurant had the best burger in the boroughs. Since 2007, Water Taxi Beach was one of the main sites of the annual NYC Food Film Festival.

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Water Taxi Beach was built and located on property owned by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. In 2009, the property was acquired by New York City and became under the control of the Economic Development Corporation (EDC). The land was located next to the Queens West development and slated to be redeveloped with residential housing and a waterfront park. Accordingly, the beach closed for construction works related to the development of Hunters Point South, after the 2010 season. The property is now part of Hunters Point South Park, which opened in 2013 and includes an urban beach near the former site of Water Taxi Beach.

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Npov
This article seems to have a bit of a NPOV problem, particularly the 'short sighted selectors' paragraph. I don't trust myself to be able to write a decent sounding biography, I'm sure there are plenty of contributors out there who can do a better job than I would. Raven4x4x 00:40, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

Who described him as "aloof"? All the former players' biographies I've seen which comment on his personality describe him as affable, approachable and easy natured. Meltingpot (talk) 19:53, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree about the NPOV and have added a more detailed summary of DG's demise as an international player. It is also worth mentioning that Gower's decision to sit out the '87 world cup really rankled as it blew what was probably our best chance. Also he was the butt of many of the jokes on "They Think Its All Over"

 * Yes but as I've added on the main page, he had been on nine successive winter tours before then and never again declined a chance to play for England. At the time, one day cricket was not thought to be as important as tests (as damn well should be the position today), so Gower was entitled to skip an ODI tournament.  By contrast, it was a complete joke that he was left out of the 1992/3 tour of India on grounds of 'age' (then he was 35) - they took Gatting (35), Gooch (39) and Emburey (40) instead! And left behind the then highest scorer in English history who was left handed and a master of spin bowling, and who had been captain in England's last series win in India.  Wonderful selectors then, as now.

Yes true but look on the bright side - at least he went out at the top of his game, after that superb innings against Pakistan in 1992 where he beat Geoff Boycott's runs record in Tests. He also missed the "chance" to contract food poisoning in India as several of the England squad did (from eating a plate of prawns). It was a bad decision for England but maybe not such a bad one for him.Meltingpot (talk) 19:53, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Is it true that he was turned down by Kent on the grounds that someone of upper=class background and education would not be any good, so went to Leicester instead? Esedowns (talk) 17:35, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Reverse Sweep
Gower in the 1990s became a proponent of a risky shot the Reverse Sweep that undermined his usefulness as a left handed player.

Is this true ? I haven't seen much English cricket from this time, but have listened to a lot of radio commentary. Can't remember hearing about him playing a single reverse sweep. Tintin 12:50, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

I have seen film of him attempting the shot and recall commentators at the time complaining but will remove until I get a clear citation.

 * It was Botham who pioneered the shot and Gatting who was pillored for it as it was the shot he was dismissed while attempting in the 1987 WC final.

Wine company
I've made a brief reference to the fact that he is now involved in an online wine business, but this was the best I could come up with by way of confirmation;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/the_ashes/1482336.stm

Meltingpot (talk) 16:47, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Joy ride
Was it a Gypsy Moth, or a Tiger Moth? (Camillofan 15:50, 9 August 2006)

According to Michael Atherton's 2003 autobiography 'Opening Up' it was a Tiger Moth, not a Gypsy Moth (Gingersonny, 16th August 2006)

Professional Rugby Player
There was no proffessional rugby Union at the time Gower was at school and I'd be very surprized if he played Rugby League. Where does the citation-less statement on his rugby come from? It needs clarification and probably shouldn't be in the introductory paragraph. Epeeist smudge 12:13, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I played with Dave Gower on the 1st XV of the King's Canterbury rugby team. As Epeeist smudge says, there was no professional rugby union in those days and there was no chance of Gower playing rugby league. He played outside half, and was a natural, but not outstanding rugby player and was not particularly interested in the sport. Timpontardawe 09:40, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I've edited the paragraph to say he was a talented rugby union player. Still needs a citation- although I don't doubt Timpontardawe's word for a minute, it doesn't count as a citation. I'm not surprised he was a stand-off. Hard to imagine him as a tight-head prop! Epeeist smudge 18:10, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Possible helpful link for style

 * Guardian, Why David Gower is the Euro 2004 style icon
 * Google Book, Heroes of 100 Tests
 * Have now used the Guardian one, already had the second one in. Many thanks SGGH ping! 09:00, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

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Most runs in a match
Didn’t he hold the record for the most runs scored in a test match (both innings combined)?

If not him; who? (I can’t get google to tell me).

MBG02 (talk) 12:49, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

 * Try this page. I assume you're thinking of Gooch? Blue Square Thing (talk) 13:03, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

 * Thank you very very much. I am very grateful for that response.
 * Apparently I should have used the word “aggregate” in Google. And I can’t believe my brain blurred Gooch and Gower.
 * So this Q has very little relevance being here on this talk page… unless the same brain blur occurs for others. MBG02 (talk) 12:48, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

 * No worries. As for Gooch and Gower, must have been the G - I honesty can't think of any way in which they were particular similar otherwise! Blue Square Thing (talk) 13:39, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

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Please unblock this user. I need the first two diagrams from the left to be uploaded to be used in loading gauge, and the second from the left to be used in Berne gauge. Peter Horn User talk 18:15, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
 * All of the following were contributions of user:emdx and were taken/extracted from the aforementioned link.

Peter Horn User talk 18:29, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
 * While the unblock is a separate (and difficult) issue, if the files are here they have already been uploaded and can be used. Daniel Case (talk) 23:00, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
 * AAR Plate-D does not exist and there is an error on AAR Plate-E. I would need a clarification from Emdx. Besides that there are two that have not yet been downloaded Peter Horn User talk 23:42, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
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Additional plates
According to there are now additional plates. J, K, L and M. Peter Horn User talk 17:10, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
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 * In addition Plate H is 10 ft wide, not 9 ft. Peter Horn User talk 22:35, 9 May 2023 (UTC) Peter Horn User talk 19:46, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

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Change structure of categories?
Although "Chess variants" is a subcategory of Chess, the term in English is equated with the Chaturanga game family, essentially making it a subset of itself. It makes more sense to restrict this category to "heterodox chess", as variants derived from Western chess, rather than allow any chess-like game. Davilla
 * Chess variants traditionally include also oriental and historic chess-like games, see e.g. . Pritchard's "Encyclopedia of Chess Variants" includes them as well. Actually, I don't like category Chaturanga game family. It makes not much sense. Also some chess historians believe that chess originated from proto-Xiangqi and Chaturanga didn't exist at all! May be this category should be simply removed. Andreas Kaufmann 15:42, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm less certain of the names than I am of the structure. It doesn't make any sense for a category to be a subcategory of itself. Since you find "Chaturanga game family" awkward, let me propose the following structure:

 * Chess variants
 * Chess-like games, as described in the literature
 * Subcategories:
 * Chess
 * Shogi
 * Articles:
 * Chaturanga
 * Xiangqi
 * and other national games

 * Chess
 * Western chess
 * Subcategories:
 * Heterodox chess
 * Chess pieces
 * Chess competitions
 * etc.
 * Articles:
 * Chessboard
 * Chess symbols in Unicode
 * and other topics on standard Western chess

 * Heterodox chess
 * Games derived from Western chess
 * Subcategory:
 * Arimaa
 * Articles:
 * Fairy chess piece
 * Knightmare chess
 * and other variations for Western chess

This could be accomplished by either:
 * 1) Deleting Chaturanga game family and pushing most articles currently in Chess variants down into a new Heterodox chess subcategory
 * 2) Renaming Chess variants as the category Heterodox chess while removing national games, and renaming Chaturanga game family as Chess variants

In either case Chess variants would mention something about possible origin from Charuanga as Chaturanga game family now does. I'm not sure if the name reflects my desire to keep historical chess variants at that level and group other variants as variants of Western chess. The Wikipedia article on Chess variants is more appropriate for Heterodox chess as it only makes apologetic reference to national games. As to naming again, I'm not certain that all derivatives of Western chess could be considered heterodox. For instance, Arimaa seems to be a completely new creation. Davilla 19:15, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I still not completely understand where is the problem with the current categorization. "Chess varaints" category doesn't include chess itself. So, it is not a subset of itself. Since chess is much better known then other chess variants in english-speaking countries, I think this justifies such categorization. I can imagine that Chinese wikipedia will have category "Xiangqi" with subcategory "Xiangqi variants", which will include also our chess (I think they call it "international xiangqi"). Andreas Kaufmann 12:06, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

 * "Chess variants", the collection of all games similar to chess, is a subcategory of "Chess", and "Chess" is a subcategory of "Chaturanga game family", the collection of all games similar to chaturanga. Of course chess and chaturanga are similar, so the collections are the same. Chess variants, meaning the collection of all such games, is therefore a subcategory of itself by transitivity. Davilla 10:48, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

 * "Chess variants" doesn't include "Chess" itself, but "Chaturanga game family" does. Hence these two categories are disjoint. Andreas Kaufmann 13:26, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Okay you're right, but it's still not pretty. "Chess" = chess + "Chess variants" is at least as big as the Chaturanga game family, although it is a subcategory of it. Maybe I could relate the current situation using a different approach:

 * Apple I personal computer family
 * Personal computer offshoots from the controversial legendary first
 * Subcategories:
 * Wintel
 * Macintosh
 * Articles:
 * IBM OS/2
 * Next
 * and other historic platforms

 * Wintel
 * Windows operating system running on standard IBM boxes
 * Subcategories:
 * Wintel variants
 * Windows interface
 * Windows operating systems
 * etc.
 * Articles:
 * System32
 * Windows logo
 * etc.

 * Wintel variants
 * Running on different hardware and/or software
 * Subcategoris:
 * Windows NT
 * Macintosh
 * Articles:
 * Compaq
 * Dell
 * AMD
 * Next
 * etc.

Any analogy is flawed, of course. I don't think anyone would divide it up this way for the personal computer market. The point is that some of the entries should stand out as being in the wrong place. When I look at the chess categories this is the sort of contrast I see. Davilla 19:12, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

An alternate proposal: Move "Chaturanga game family" to "National chess variants", replacing the "Chess" subcategory with a passing mention of Chess, and make it a subcategory of "Chess variants". This hierarchy doesn't reflect the chronology or proper scope, but it does satisfy strict inclusion and conform to the definition of chess variants. Davilla 19:24, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Second-level categories
Without directly getting involved in the above debate, I would like to add a secondary listing of chess variants, listed by the primary way(s) the game differs from standard Western chess -- not because that's the "right" way to categorize, but simply to assist in searching for particular games.

For instance, I want to find out more about a particular chess variant which has only one rule different: "Only 'empowered' pieces can be moved or captured. Definition of 'empowered': the king is empowered, and recursively, any piece in range of an empowered piece of the same color is empowered." I don't know what this variant is called. To see if there is a wikipedia article about it would require reading a bit of every single chess-variant article in the alphabetic listing.

Thus a secondary listing is in order, quite aside from the above debate. -- DougMerritt 71.131.101.244 16:48, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Oops, what I was suggesting is more or less already done over on chess variant page (I still don't see anything about the variant I'm looking for, but I guess it would be some form of relay/anti-relay chess variant). 71.131.101.244 21:19, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

 * As far as I know such variant wasn't yet suggested by anybody else. The best place to publish new orignal variants and get feedback from others is here.Andreas Kaufmann 19:11, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Variants vs. relatives
As the guy who created the Chaturanga Game Family cat, I suppose this mess is partly my fault. The intent was to remove some unconscious Western bias from the categorization: Shogi, for example, is not a "variant of" Chess any more than German is a variant of English; they are related via a common ancestor. The problem of course is that there is no common term for this grouping, nor consensus on the identity of the ancestor. It turns out that naming it based on the traditional claim that Chaturanga was the common ancestor was a poor choice because that theory was more controversial than I thought.

As a possible compromise, how about simply renaming "Chaturanga game family" to "Chess game family" and keeping it as the highest grouping in the hierarchy, putting Chess, Shogi, Xiangqi, etc under it, and keeping "Chess variants" as a subcategory of "Chess" for heterodox varieties derived from FIDE chess. It's not ideal, but probably less controversial and more intuitive. — Gwalla | Talk 23:00, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

 * How about renaming "Chaturanga game family" to "Chess-like games"? Andreas Kaufmann 21:19, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

 * That may be the most neutral we can be while still being useful. — Gwalla | Talk 06:56, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Ok, I renamed "Chaturanga game family" category to "Chess-like games" category. Andreas Kaufmann 22:00, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

 * And that just got deleted for being redundant with Category:Abstract strategy games. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. — Gwalla | Talk 05:02, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

May be should just put all these national variants back into "Chess variants" category, as it was the case sometimes in the past. Andreas Kaufmann 11:55, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Add Laser Chess?
Perhaps the Wikipedia article on Laser Chess should be attached to this listing? SpellSword (talk) 16:09, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

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The Cheyenne Social Club

The Cheyenne Social Club is a 1970 American Western comedy film written by James Lee Barrett, directed and produced by Gene Kelly, and starring James Stewart, Henry Fonda and Shirley Jones. The film is about an aging cowboy who inherits a brothel and decides to turn it into a respectable boarding house, against the wishes of both the townspeople and the ladies working there.

Plot
In 1867, John O'Hanlan and Harley Sullivan are aging cowboys working on open cattle ranges in Texas. John receives a letter from an attorney in Cheyenne, Wyoming, stating his brother, D.J., left him The Cheyenne Social Club in his will. Once the pair arrives in Cheyenne, John visits D.J.'s lawyer and discovers the club is a high-class brothel separated from the busy part of town by the railroad tracks. Not keen on running such a business, John fires the ladies and falls into disfavor with both them and Cheyenne's men. John learns his brother's deed to the club contained a reverter to the railroad if the brothel closed. Jenny, the Club's madam, is brutally assaulted by a man named Bannister, who she previously rebuffed. John, a handgun novice, kills Bannister at a local bar when a distracted Bannister mistakes Harley's cracking of nuts for the cocking of a gun. Afterward, John regains popularity. The sheriff, conveniently on his way out of town, warns John that Bannister's relatives are headed to Cheyenne for revenge. Harley decides to return to Texas, but he happens to ride into the Bannisters' camp, where he bums a cup of coffee. When he discovers their identity, Harley doubles back, and he, John and Jenny successfully fight them off. When the sheriff advises John that even more of the Bannisters' relatives, the Markstones, will soon come to town, but, that he (the sheriff) will coincidentally be out of town again, John transfers ownership of the property to Jenny, and he and Harley return to Texas. Back on the range, John receives a letter of thanks from Jenny; is touched; and tosses it into a fire. Harley is upset that he didn't have a chance to read the letter, and he and John ride off arguing.

Production
Set in a brothel with suggestive dialogue, this was one of the few off-color films that James Stewart did. He also specifically asked that his friend Fonda be cast; they had most recently worked together two years previously in Firecreek. Stewart and Fonda's first film together had been the comedy On Our Merry Way (1948), and they had also both appeared in How the West Was Won (1962) but had no scenes together despite playing best friends.

The exteriors were shot at two Western film lots near Santa Fe, New Mexico: the Eaves Movie Ranch, which was built for the film, and Bonanza Creek Ranch. The interiors were shot at the Samuel Goldwyn Studios in Hollywood.

A novelisation of the screenplay was written by Phillip Rock.

Release
The film had its world premiere in Salt Lake City on June 10, 1970. It also opened in Provo and Ogden, Utah, and Boise, Idaho, before expanding into Des Moines and Waterloo, Iowa, and Omaha, Nebraska, as well as Montana.

Home media
The film is currently distributed by Warner Home Video, with a German DVD release in 2019 by 375 Media.

Reception
The Cheyenne Social Club turned a small profit but was poorly received by critics. It didn't receive any notoriety until decades later with numerous cable television broadcasts. Barrett's script earned a 1970 Writers Guild of America nomination for "Best Comedy Written Directly for the Screen", but it lost to Neil Simon's The Out-of-Towners.

In its first five days in 15 theaters in Utah, Idaho, Iowa and Nebraska, it grossed $108,622.

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you guys did not say anything about a hazel hoe — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.142.3.120 (talk • contribs) 09:29, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

 * that would be an adze i think Clinchfield (talk) 01:57, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Image — dangerous use
The image shows dangerous use -- at least unpaid volunteers are not allowed to utilize the tool in any way that has the tool over one's head. It's trivial, but it also does not show a good example of the tool so if anyone has a replacement, I would vote to have the existing photograph swapped out with something else. Damotclese (talk) 01:36, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
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Adze vs hoe vs mattock
Is adze really an accurate description of the hoe end? My understanding is that an adze is specifically designed for shaving layers of wood, while the hoe end of a pulaski is designed for... hoeing. The article used to use the word mattock, which is very similar to a pulaski, and it's wiki page also says the hoe end is an adze, which i also disagree with. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Newellshk (talk • contribs) 21:03, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Museum exhibits - 1 or 2?
Zackmann08, I merely read the cited sources logically, and reworded the info with grammar; no OP. The only PROMO I am supporting is fact and readable grammar. 7&6=thirteen made a bit of a mess with his good but sloppy contributions, and what he left was nearly unintelligible, and what was understandable was factually incorrect. But if you prefer the nonsense that now lies there, I guess that is your prerogative. Sadsaque (talk) 14:27, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Copy edited. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:54, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Sadsaque (talk) I did not get to see the proposed changes that you made, would you please post them in Talk:: here so that I can see them? If there are factually incorrect things in this page, I would like to have them corrected. If Zackmann08 reverted legitimate corrections, let's step through them and adopt those with suitable references and citations, please. Thanks! Damotclese (talk) 16:05, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
 * The changes are the last 2 in history. The cites were existing. Sadsaque (talk) 17:53, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

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The Island (Paul Brady song)

"The Island" is a 1985 song by an Irish musician Paul Brady, who comes from Strabane in County Tyrone.

The song appeared on the album 'Back to the Centre', and features Kenny Craddock on piano. The only other instrument is a guitar solo by Phil Palmer  The album was produced by long time Brady collaborator  Jennifer Maidman (formerly known as Ian Maidman).

The start of the song compares the tragic events of the Lebanese Civil War with the Troubles in Northern Ireland in the 1980s. Comments are made on activities in Northern Ireland: "They're rising banners over by the markets / Whitewashing slogans on the shipyard wall". "The Markets" is a well known Republican area surrounding St George's Market in Belfast, and the shipyard is that of Harland and Wolff in East Belfast, near a Loyalist area. The song then compares the peace and serenity of making love on the island with the hypocrisy of some religious leaders and the tragedy of young people being "sacrificed" (on both sides) for political beliefs.

The song was referred to pejoratively through a refrain of "the island" in Christy Moore's song The Other Side, a song in support of those detained in Long Kesh. However, Christy Moore later toned down the lyrics in this song and rerecorded it in 2011 as Tyrone Boys.

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Mexican Riviera

The Mexican Riviera refers collectively to twenty cities and lagoons lying on the western coast of Mexico. Although there are long distances between these cities, they are often collectively referred to as the Mexican Riviera because of their many oceanfront resorts and their popularity among tourists. Cruise ships often visit three or four of these destinations on their longer cruises. In a 2005 interview Stanley McDonald, the founder of Princess Cruises, mentioned:

"The call of the 'Mexican Riviera' was coined by Princess Cruise Line. Now everyone refers to it as the Mexican Riviera. I believe that it really spoke to the quality and beauty of what people would see down there. We all know the French Riviera -- the Mexican Riviera was something we had in the western hemisphere."

Some of the many areas that are considered part of the Mexican Riviera, listed in order from north to south:

 * Ensenada, Baja California 31.78333°N, -116.6°W
 * Cabo San Lucas, Baja California Sur 22.88333°N, -109.9°W
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 * Puerto Escondido, Oaxaca
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Ports in the states of Oaxaca and Nayarit are also included.

In 2011, Carnival Cruise Lines, Disney Cruise Line and Norwegian Cruise Line all dropped Mazatlan port calls from their itineraries, citing concerns over an increase in drug gang turf war there. Royal Caribbean dramatically scaled back its presence in all of the Mexican Riviera that same year, canceling 15 cruises that were scheduled to sail through the region in 2011. The cruise line cited economic reasons for its decision.

Riviera in Italian means simply "coastline". The word by itself often refers to either the French Riviera or the Italian Riviera. Riviera may be also applied to any coastline, especially one that is sunny, topographically diverse and popular with tourists.

The term “The Riviera of Mexico” was used in reference to Acapulco Beach in the 1945 Walt Disney film, The Three Caballeros.

Many of the locations listed above were regular stops on the TV series The Love Boat.

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Gap, North Carolina

Gap is an unincorporated community in Stokes County, North Carolina, United States, approximately 5 miles WSW of Danbury, North Carolina, near Hanging Rock State Park, on North Carolina State Highway 66.

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Peace Thru Vandalism / When in Rome Do as The Vandals

Peace Thru Vandalism / When in Rome Do as The Vandals is a compilation album by the American punk rock band The Vandals. It was originally released in 1989 by Restless Records (and later reissued Time Bomb Recordings, a record label founded by Social Distortion frontman Mike Ness). It is a CD re-release of the band's first EP, Peace thru Vandalism, and first LP, When in Rome Do as The Vandals, containing all of the tracks from both releases. The Restless version has the tracks from When In Rome Do As The Vandals first while the Time Bomb version has the two records in chronological order.

In the album's liner notes Brent Turner is credited as having performed all of the bass tracks on When in Rome Do as the Vandals, however by the time of that album's release Chalmer Lumary had joined the band on the bass position. Lumary is therefore listed in the liner notes as the band's official bass player. The liner notes also erroneously list Joe Escalante as writing and composing the entirety of the album's content, whereas the majority was written by Stevo and Jan Nils Ackermann. Furthermore, many tracks from Peace Thru Vandalism had been written and performed prior to Escalante's involvement in the band, adding to the suspicious nature of the inclusion.

Track listing

 * 1) "Wanna Be Manor" (Ackermann/Jensen)
 * 2) "Urban Struggle" (Ackermann/Jensen)
 * 3) "The Legend of Pat Brown" (Ackermann/Jensen)
 * 4) "Pirate's Life" (Ackermann/Escalante)
 * 5) "H.B. Hotel" (originally performed by Elvis Presley) (Presley/Durden/Axton)
 * 6) "Anarchy Burger (Hold the Government)" (Escalante/Jensen)
 * 7) "Ladykiller" (Escalante/Jensen)
 * 8) "Birthday Bash" (Escalante/Jensen)
 * 9) "Master Race (In Outer Space)" (Escalante/Jensen)
 * 10) "Big Bro vs. Johnny Sako" (Escalante/Jensen/Ackermann)
 * 11) "Mohawk Town" (Ackermann/Jensen)
 * 12) "Viking Suit" (Escalanete/Jensen/Ackermann)
 * 13) "Hocus Pocus" (originally performed by Focus)
 * 14) "I'm a Fly" (Escalante/Jensen/Ackermann)
 * 15) "Slap of Love" (Ackermann/Jensen)
 * 16) "Airstream" (Escalante/Jensen)
 * 17) "Rico" (Ackermann/Jensen)

Writing credits are as they appear on the original Restless Records CD. Later versions credit all songs to Joe Escalante.

Performers

 * Steven Ronald "Stevo" Jensen - vocals, scratch box on "Ladykiller"
 * Jan Nils Ackermann - guitar, acoustic guitars on "Mohawk Town" and "Rico"
 * Steve Pfauter - bass (tracks 1-6)
 * Brent Turner - bass (tracks 7-17)
 * Joe Escalante - drums, trumpet on "Rico"
 * Brett Gurewitz - backing vocals on "Anarchy Burger (Hold the Government)"
 * Chalmer Lumary - backing vocals (tracks 7-17)

Album information

 * Record label: Restless Records, Time Bomb Recordings (reissue)
 * Produced by Thom Wilson
 * All songs written by The Vandals, copyright 1982, 1984 and 1989 Greco Roman Publishing, except "H.B. Hotel" by Elvis Presley and "Hocus Pocus" by Focus.
 * Front cover art by Fritz Quadrata and Art Bad
 * Back cover art & design by Mike Doud
 * Back cover photos by Alan Newberg


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Ronald F. Maxwell

Ronald "Ron" F. Maxwell (born January 5, 1949) is an American film director and screenwriter from Clifton, New Jersey. He is most famous for writing and directing the American Civil War historical fiction films Gettysburg (1993), Gods and Generals (2003), and Copperhead (2013).

Biography
A native of New Jersey, Maxwell attended Clifton High School. He graduated from New York University (NYU) Institute of Film 1970. Maxwell is a member of the Writers Guild of America, Directors Guild of America and the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences.

In 2007, Maxwell optioned the film rights to novelist Speer Morgan's 1979 book Belle Starr about the legendary female outlaw of the Old West.

In May 2011, Warner Bros. released director's cuts of Gods and Generals and Gettysburg.

In 2012, Maxwell directed his third Civil War feature, Copperhead, with a screenplay by Bill Kauffman and production by Bryan Cassels. Filming was completed in New Brunswick, Canada in June, 2012.

Filmography

 * Sea Marks (1976) (TV)
 * Verna: USO Girl (1978) (TV)
 * Little Darlings (1980)
 * The Night the Lights Went Out in Georgia (1981)
 * Kidco (1984)
 * The Parent Trap II (1986) (TV)
 * In the Land of the Poets (1987)
 * Gettysburg (1993)
 * Gods and Generals (2003)
 * Copperhead (2013)

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Razor Hill

Razor Hill, also locally known as Che Kwu Shan, is a hill between Pik Uk, Ta Ku Ling, Tseung Kwan O, and Tai Po Tsai in the New Territories of Hong Kong. It is 432 metres tall. The north and east mid slopes are skirted by Clear Water Bay Road.

title: Razor Hill