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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Movement to impeach George W. Bush

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 * Page added: 24 July 2005, Current date: 29 July 2024

The result of the debate was Keep. Long vote - All this discussion :/ Hedley 01:24, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Movement to impeach George W. Bush
this page should be deleted.

And it's not only POV, it's inaccurate and misleading. Many quoted "allegations" can not even be traced to a source. For example, Google results for 'Bush and alleged overseeing of "bribery and coercion of individuals and governments"' yields 1 result - this wikipedia page. The charge of 'Alleged "Concealing information vital to public discussion and informed judgment;"' seems to have been copied verbatim from http://www.votetoimpeach.org/notes_5.htm, but the source has no supporting evidence to back up this claim ... and it should also be noted that the author of the source web site in question is none other than Ramsey Clark, Saddam Hussien's and Slobadan Milosevich's lawyer, as well as a leader in the World Worker's Party - ie. not the most credible source, especially when he presents no supporting evidence to back up his claim that the US President actually was "Concealing information vital to public discussion and informed judgment"

at most, this topic should be a sub-section (and a small one) of the George W. Bush page. Larryfooter 03:38, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep - people seriously want to impeach the President: there's no evidence that he's done anything to warrant impeachment, but that doesn't stop people from trying. I mean people successfully impeached President Clinton. -Acjelen 03:42, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - this is an article that needs to be cleaned up, not deleted. If there are NPOV issues, tag it as such, but if such a movement actually exists (and I believe I have heard rumblings of it), it's certainly significant. Aerion//talk 03:56, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep Significant, but POV comes out in the last section. Would also support a Merge with Bush's entry. --DNicholls 04:00, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment I've cleaned up some sloppiness in the last section, which consequently removed some POV.--DNicholls 04:21, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep, cleanup. The semi-organized futile grumblings are a phenomenon which is, to some extent, separate from their target. -- BD2412 talk 04:11, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * The acts of the US president, whoever he is, affect the world. Impeachment affects the US president. There verifiably exists a movement to impeach the present incumbent. Ergo, encyclopedic. Keep. Incidentally, Larryfooter might learn things of interest from Charles Tiefer's book Veering right: How the Bush administration subverts the law for conservative causes (U Calif Press, 2004). -- Hoary 05:33, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep- Vis-a-vis Hoary, above.Sean Black 05:45, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - the fact that something exists does not make it encyclopedic - i went shopping today, does that deserve its own wiki-entry? it's only encyclopedic value is in relation to GW Bush, so then make it a footnote in George W. Bush - but to give it a separate article implies that it is a mass movement - which it is not. It's not even a movement!!! It's a brainfart of Saddam's lawyer, for God's sake!!! Ugh!!! Larryfooter 06:06, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * -- and Horay, you couldn't pay me enough to read that nonsense :) Larryfooter 06:09, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Persuasiveness comes with fewer exclamation points. Meanwhile, I'm puzzled by your harping on at the fact that Clark is/was Saddam's lawyer. I happen to think that people accused of war crimes (or of pedophilia, of embezzlement, or whatever) should be represented by good lawyers, and that a conscientious freelance lawyer is not besmirched by the crimes, etc., of his/her client even if that client is found guilty. Have I misunderstood US law? Meanwhile, your ability to judge the nonsensicality of Tiefer's book may be assisted by reading it. -- Hoary 07:49, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Reply to Comment: True Hoary - but if one examines Clark's activities over the past 20 years, then one notices a patern. He defends Slobadan Milosevich - then Saddam - before that he heads up the World Worker's Party - in short, he consistently befriends enemies of the United States of America. So then one must ask himself (or herself) "why?" Why would one take up common cause over and over again with enemies of not only the US, but enemies of freedom, human rights, and life itself (both Saddam and Milosevich were responsible for the genocide of hundreds of thousands of people) - so if he starts a "movement" to impeach the president, is that newsworthy or encyclopedic? and if so, is it encyclopedic enough to warrant its own entry, or is it just a footnote to an encyclopedic topic (ie. the President of the United States)? I've never seen any report on CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX or read any report in the NY Times, Washington Post or any other paper that leant any credibility to his "movement." There are all sorts of "movements" in the United States, and many of them are not encyclopedic - so why is this one? This falls more into the category of "silly actions of crackpots," and thus is not encyclopedic. Larryfooter 16:05, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Generally, I would not recommend taking up a mission of removing from WP all articles about "silly actions of crackpots". Anyway, there are six bullet points in proponents section and the picadilloes of one does not dismiss the desires of many people, no matter how misguided. Note: These discussions should be moved to the talk page. -Acjelen 16:14, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and cleanup as per BD2412. Hamster Sandwich 06:17, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep The impeachment movement is both real and notable. Stirling Newberry 06:21, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Absolutely ridiculous and misleading page. I am discraced that so many people are voting to keep this page. Osu8907 06:32, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. The attack on Ramsey Clark is inappropriate.  He was a US Attorney General, for ghu's sake!  The contention that this is not a mass movement is incorrect as well, as Congressman John Conyers, the ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, has expressed interest in spearheading such a campaign, although I'm not sure how far his activites have progressed.  John Barleycorn 06:48, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. When John Conyers starts such a movement, this page can be created. DiceDiceBaby 16:18, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * You mean, like this?:

 * Reply to DiceDiceBaby: It would be crystal ballish to say that Conyers is actively spearheading an impeachment movement, but it would not be crystal ballish to say that he has expressed interest, which he has done.  John Barleycorn 22:22, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

500,000 signatures. Movement is valid. DiceDiceBaby 15:01, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. A movement is "a series of organized activities working toward an objective", as, for example, the Civil Rights movement. Opinions and statements are not a movement.  When people are massing in the streets clamoring for Bush's impeachment...that's the time for a "movement" article. I mean, really: Clinton was impeached, and it would be misleading to contend there was a movement for him to be impeached. - Nunh-huh 07:56, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: You have a point, but I think you're defining "movement" rather too narrowly. There does seem to be some evidence that there really was a "vast" (well, pretty big) right-wing conspiracy out to get Clinton; you don't need massing in the streets when you've got Fox on the boob tube, AM blowhards, Murdoch journalism, rightwing Christian fundamentalists, etc.: I'd say there was a "movement", or at least the illusion thereof. There do seem to be organized activities working toward the objective of impeachment; I happen to think that impeachment is unlikely because of lingering distaste of the preceding one, but we'll see. -- Hoary 08:35, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * "My" definition is Merriam-Websters. A conspiracy is not a movement. A committee is not a movement. A task-force is not a movement. There is no movement to impeach Bush. - Nunh-huh 18:04, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment Is there any chance this vote won't turn into a POV vent? I do think 'movement' is a bit of a grandiose term to use here, but I'm at a loss over what else to call it. Either way, please let's keep the soapboxes on the user's page, huh?--DNicholls 08:43, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep This article is a US political stub and should be tagged as such, pending expansion. The lead is anemic and needs a lot of work, however, as it stands, the overall article is a presentation of well sourced information offered in a neutral tone. The only reason to remove it would seem to an effort to censor the content. In addition, I find no issue with the article's title which seems to be in keeping with stanards on article names. Calicocat 09:06, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. At the moment, there is no serious movement to impeach President Bush. If and when there is there should be an article but not yet. Capitalistroadster 10:18, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * You may not characterize the movement as "serious," but the movement evidently does exist, and is backed by several notable people. Aerion//talk 13:07, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Aerion: if being Saddam Hussein's lawyer is "notable" and qualifies the movements for which one shows support as "serious," then we are all in real trouble. Larryfooter 16:05, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Then I guess we're all in real trouble (but hey, I realized that a long time ago). Being Saddam Hussein's lawyer is quite notable, I would think. After all, we're talking about Saddam Hussein. Note that I didn't claim the movement is "serious," only that it exists and is associated with notable people. Aerion//talk 20:04, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep this one. Clean up as necessary to handle POV issues, but keep it. --Paula Sandusky 10:28, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong keep, it's certainly a notable subject and needs an article james gibbon  11:37, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Impeach him there must still be hope! Dunc|☺ 12:57, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and continue to clean up. Most certainly noteable.  Eclipsed 13:09, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete

If Wikipedians can put their ideology aside and vote on the merits of the article, they'll agree that that this is not a serious movement, but a random assortment of pundits and bloggers who have little connection with each other. Based solely on what I've read in this article, there would need to be credible evidence of an actual impeachment movement to justify this article, otherwise its very existence makes it a soapbox. If people want to actually start a credible political movement to impeach him (organize as a political entity, recruit endorsements, fundraise), or demonstrate that such a thing exists, then it would be notable enough to justify an article. DiceDiceBaby 16:14, 24 July 2005 (UTC) **:Response My ideology has nothing to do with this vote, nor have I mentioned my ideology. My allegiance in this vote is solely to the tenets of what Wikipedia is and is not. It is by adhering to these guidelines that Wikipedia has become successful and not the internet equivalent of a vandalized bathroom door. I would be happy to reverse my vote if somebody could convince me that this movement actually exists. DiceDiceBaby 14:52, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * My ideology is that disliking something is no reason to delete its article. I can't stand consolidated school districts, unwieldly-large high schools, or megachurches, but that's no reason for me to list those articles (if they exist) on VfD.  In fact, if those things don't have articles on WP, I should create them. If they do exist, I should improve them. -Acjelen 16:39, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep Well written article, carefully neutral, with concrete examples and the circumstances pertaining. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 17:03, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 *  Impeach , I mean, Merge with something, I can't find the right article, but it must be somewhere, there's no shortage of controversy about Bush. The 'movement' doesn't merit an article unless at least some formalities of impeachment have been started, say a vote on articles of impeachment, even if defeated. People simply talking about impeachment is notable but belongs with general criticism of Bush. Peter Grey 17:09, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete It's not really encyclopedic, given that it's not about anything official. If someone sets up a proper, organised effort then yes it belongs here: at the moment it's just a page of people who disagree with Bush and the reasons why. That sort of thing belongs on George W. Bush.
 * — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sum0 (talk • contribs) 17:18, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep if it can be shown that there's a real organized movement. -newkai | talk | contribs 18:17, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. A lot of conservatives in the US think that all liberals want to see him impeached. --Idont Havaname 18:28, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Informative, describes a real political movement. What's it doing at VfD? CanadianCaesar 20:16, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - When the answer to the question, "What did he know and when did he know it?" about 9/11, RoveGate, the rush to war over fabricated evidence of WMD, the secret energy policy and its relationship to the war, the deaths and injuries of American soldiers and Iraqi civilians to satisfy the desires of the Project for the New American Century neo-cons...the list goes on and on. When the answer to that question is finally known, impeachment will be a blessed relief.
 * — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wixway (talk • contribs) 20:29, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * User's 1st edit. Originally posted at the top - I've moved it to the bottom Aerion//talk 20:46, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Hi. Please keep in mind that the question being addressed by this VfD is whether the article is encyclopedic, and not whether voters personally agree with the sentiment expressed by the movement discussed therein. Thanks. -- BD2412 talk 21:02, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep This movement is likely to pick up steam if the special prosecutor indicts anyone in the White House. And it will really pick up steam if the Democrats manage to regain control of the House of Representatives in 2006. And in addition to all the other alleged crimes, there is the missing $8.8 billion of oil revenue from Iraq, that some speculate was split between George Bush and Dick Cheney, with a few hundred million in patronage paid out to their enablers. -asx- 20:57, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, seems to be notable. Martg76 20:57, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment I am about to try a search of The New York Times to see if there's evidence that the movement to impeach Bush "exists," that is, is notable enough to make the news and not just an obscure fringe thing. Dpbsmith (talk)
 * Keep and improve, make neutral, etc. "Memo Shows Bush Misled Public, Antiwar Group Says," New York Times, June 17, 2005, Author: SCOTT SHANE, pg. 13: "Opponents of the war in Iraq held an unofficial hearing on Capitol Hill on Thursday to draw attention to a leaked British government document...At an antiwar rally across from the White House, speakers roused several hundred people with calls to bring the troops home and to impeach Mr. Bush." It's legitimately in the news. Dpbsmith (talk) 22:37, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge, delete, weak keep, comment? -- uhh, I don't think there is any big cohesive movement for this. This is something that people say... and, I'm sure there has been some kind movement to impeach most presidents.  I live on the east coast so of course I will have that bias... and since the middle of the country Republicans don't have internet yet they can't defend themselves here. ~_~  Oh, my point... what was my point -- I think this article makes it seem like there is a movement, not just a bunch of half-hearted grassroot efforts and people saying that wish that would happen because they don't like the guy.  gren 22:43, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep MicahMN | Talk 23:52, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is a sentiment, not a movement. Millions of people hate George W. Bush, but there is no cohesive movement to impeach him, either. If something actually comes up in Congress, then let's make an article, but until then its not encyclopedic. The article doesn't even have a particularly good grasp on the concept of impeachment, either; it mentions a move on the part of Rep. Conyers and Rep. Frank to "impeach" Karl Rove, a man who holds a position with no Congressional oversight and therefore cannot be impeached. Fernando Rizo T/C 00:05, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * The Congressional standard is explicitly higher than the wiki standard of notability. Since a subway station is "notable", and a radio station notable if it broadcasts "beyond a city", setting the bar at "impeachment charges introduced" is both high and, quite frankly circular. How are charges to be filed with the judiciary if there was no movement to provide political cover? The movement to Impeach Earl Warren never even got hearings, but was mentioned in the press and in books, and was clearly "notable", even if it went nowhere in Congress. Stirling Newberry 05:06, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Response Frank and Conyers did send an inquiry to the Library of Congress for an opinion on whether "high-ranking members of the President's staff are subject to the Congressional impeachment process." So the statement is factual. -asx- 00:29, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I thank you for correcting my error, -asx-. My bad. Be that as it may, my vote still stands on the fact that I don't believe there to be a cohesive movement at work. If Ralph Nader called for GWB's impeachment, then make a note of that on the Ralph Nader and George W. Bush pages, don't make a whole new article for it. Fernando Rizo T/C 04:06, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * There is nothing in the constitution that limits impeachment to elected or appointed officials, it says "all civil officers", meaning all non military officers in Article II Section 4

 * Response "if there was no movement to provide political cover" -- Wikipedia is not a soapbox. If a well organized website exists that is raising funds and generating large amounts of traffic, the movement is organized and encyclopedic, but Wikipedia is not the place for this movement to take root. DiceDiceBaby 14:52, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep as per, [ http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45293 ], and Ralph Nader called for the impeachment at . Zscout370 (Sound Off) 00:11, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Comment Keep, clean, and start on the Impeach President (Next), as the losers, no matter which side, will begin their 'movements' the second the next Pres is elected. Pathetic, yeah, but thats who we are. Kilr0y
 * Comment if this is true, we're FUBAR. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 02:04, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Real movement.  Encyclopedic.  Kaibabsquirrel 05:09, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Weak Keep per Kilr0y. Might as well create a nice little template for the bottom of the pages too. Hansamurai 15:17, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep EdwinHJ | Talk 15:55, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep it A current Google for "Impeachment George W Bush" returned 549,000 hits just now. If the article needs cleaning up, revision, so be. But, this seems to be a growing movement from my perspective. If anything, for that many hits on google, the article is understatedly encyclopedic. More documentation of legitimate sources must happen, to be sure, but it's only just truly getting started in the last few months, a la DSM and Plame case. Fermentman 18:30, July 25 2005 PDT

 * I say keep it. This page is a testament to the growing feeling in this country that the President lied to the citizens of this country to fight a war that was based on altogether different motives than the one(s) presented. The massive fraud and corruption that is tied to this military action is appalling, not to mention the absolute reconstructing of the government. For example, since when does the Senate forego consent and advise for an up/down vote? One is a Constitutional responsibility. The other should come after that responsibility is discharged. Yet consent and advise was compromised away. And what of the effort to do away with the Constitutional restrictions on terms served by the President? Thjat would be the 22nd Amendment. It was presented by Representative Hoyer with several co-sponsors.(www.thomas.loc.gov) Let alone the claims of Delay to make Republican rulership permanent.(You can Google this) The ravings of a madman? I think not. - Gonzo ....added at or shortly after 02:59, 26 July 2005 by User:66.235.65.174:66.235.65.174

 * So you did one Google search. try changing the terms and see what happens. To debunk something on the basis of that kind of effort is hardly worth considering. - Gonzo ....added at or shortly after 02:59, 26 July 2005 by 66.235.65.174 within the nominating comment by Larryfooter

 * Expand or Delete The article needs to give as complete coverage to other impeachment movements (with greatest emphasis on Nixon, since his impeachment had the greatest consequences). Otherwise it looks like a vehicle for a Bush impeachment movement. An encyclopedia should focus more on history and less on current events.random user .... posted at 07:45, July 26, 2005 by 68.165.99.194

 * Very strong keep - Some of us started the impeachment process on January 20, 2001, when GWB falsely swore to uphold the constitution by illegally taking office after systematically stealing approximately 1.2 million votes. This is not a new movement, it is just one that has taken a long time to catch on due to corporate media protection of a man guilty of 39 crimes and misdemeanors, at last count. If we apply the same standards of evidence that he applied to the minority inmates he executed as governor of Texas, then we not only need to impeach him but should also execute him.
 * — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joe101 (talk • contribs) 11:54, 26 July 2005 (UTC) . User's 1st edit. Aerion//talk 14:30, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Comment. A strong reminder that this VfD is on the merits of the article itself, and not on the merits of such a movement. Personal political views should hold no bearing on this vote. Aerion//talk 14:30, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep Movement does exist and there are notable figures behind it (ie it's not just a fringe website). That the chances of success of such a movement are highly remote (unless the Democrats take both houses of Congress in the 2006 election) is not a reason for deletion. Article can be NPOV'dHomey 17:09, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Very Strong Keep - This is an important and historic movement. There are several campaigns (organized and otherwise) within the U.S. with the goal of impeaching George W. Bush. That the main-stream media refuses to report on these is neither surprising nor is it a confirmation of non-existence of such a movement. Let us not get side-tracked with bellicose detractors who wish to distract us with arguments such as no "official" stamps of approval exist to provide legitimacy to the movement or the precise meaning of the word "movement" or that we should include opinions on why the president should not be impeached, and other inane contentions. This is a movement involving citizens of the United States of America against a corrupt government that continues to erode the Bill of Rights and constitutionally provided rights and liberties. One only needs to look around to realize that the citizenry is disenfranchised and is demanding redress. Such redress, which is our constitutional right to seek, has thus far been denied by this out-of-control government on several occasions. This is a bipartisan movement and should be documented here in a prominent way as it unfolds. --Light Messenger 20:06, 2005 July 27 (UTC)
 * User's 1st edit.
 * Please be careful not to let personal opinion and POV seep in here. Aerion//talk 21:02, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete no need to turn Wikipedia into commiepedia.  Grue  05:19, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Is that a "either you're with us or you're against us" kind of arguement? MicahMN | Talk 17:13, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. This page is utterly ridiculous and shows an inability for certain liberals (I say "certain" because I myself am a liberal who thinks Mr. Bush is one of our nation's worst presidents in history) to write a reputable and neutral encyclopedia.  The amount of keep votes here is shocking.  A few people don't like the president, fine.  A few people (rightfully so in my opinion) think he has stepped over a few lines with his policies, fine.  But this article is just an excuse to grind an ax with the president and seriously undermines the integreity of the encyclopedia.  The users who voted keep here need to think long and hard about what constitutes principled secondary source creation. Indrian 17:05, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * This article conforms to NPOV in that it is a list of documentable and notable individuals who have called for Bush to be impeached, and documentable and notable organizations (that at least clear the GNAA standard) which are actively involved in calling for his impeachment. Signed one of those certain liberals who is actually paid to write and had a hand in working on the page. Stirling Newberry 17:21, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep and cleanup There exists a movement to impeach President Bush. Are we to remain silent on it? The article is noteworthy and current.  If it strays outside the line of NPOV occasionally it should be cleaned up, not deleted.  Otherwise we would be deleting a lot of articles  on Wikipedia. –Shoaler (talk) 00:48, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * ""Strong Keep"" - Whether one agrees with the movement or not, the fact is that it exists. The article has been altered to remove any political commentary and simply enumerates the possible charges and the proponents of them. These are facts. If Wikipedia is to have any integrity at all, it can't delete true articles because someone objects to the politics behind the movement. Hundreds of thousands of signatures have been collected, Congressional inquiries are being conducted, and there is a special prosecutor investigating the Plame Case. It would be an egregious omission to ignore an ongoing political event. Morgaine Swann 12:27, July 29, 2005 ....added at 04:28 (and a few minutes later) 29 July 2005 by 66.82.9.62

 * Keep and Clean Up This article absolutely ought to remain. That there is a (possibly small) movement for the impeachment of GWB is not disputable. However, if the allegations cited cannot be verified, then that must be stated on the page. Matro 08:49, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep -- Longhair | Talk 12:23, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

 * KEEP!!! - Bush and his cronies have clearly committed impeachable acts, far more serious than those committed by Nixon. Those who suggest that this information be deleted should read the U.S. Bill of Rights again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.155.122.105 (talk • contribs) 14:31, 29 July 2005

 * Keep - Bush (and his cronies) is a traitor and deserves a fate more drastic than impeachment. Too bad George cut down that cherry tree.
 * Keep. There is a growing movement towards impeachment.  Recently, a Congresswoman introduced a Resolution of Inquiry.  That seems notable.--Kross 17:46, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep The movement exists. No NPOV reasons for deletion have been offered.Alan 00:13, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

 * KEEP. Excuse me -- Do my ears deceive me? Did the first poster actually say "This page should be deleted [because] it's not only POV [that's the problem], it's [also an] inaccurate and misleading" [article]?  Since when do we pitch info because it's inaccurate?!  In free societies what we do with inaccurate information is FIX IT!  We don't toss it out!!

 * VERY STRONG Keep and Clean Up - this is very encyclopedic (sp), even if I disagree personally --RN 01:33, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

 * This "article" went sorely awry when moved from the "Impeach Bush campaign" to "Movement to impeach George Bush". Far from being a neutral report, this article is in fact an attempt to manufacture a "movement" that doesn't exist. See this blog begging for people to create a biased article and become part of "history being made". It's unfortunate that Wikipedia allows itself to be used in this way.  - Nunh-huh 05:10, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: What went awry about it? I thought "Impeach Bush campaign" sounded horrid, was unclear, and did not give the President the respect he deserves.  Only the name changed.  I suppose "Campaign to impeach George W. Bush" would have worked as well. -Acjelen 05:18, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
 * It's always better to name an article for something that exists. - Nunh-huh 05:19, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
 * One exists and not the other? -Acjelen 05:24, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
 * As I've pointed out above, there's a considerably higher hurdle for calling something a "movement" than there is a "campaign". For movement, there has to be some momentum; a campaign can be any fool with a blog. - Nunh-huh 05:38, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

 * KEEP - his time has come. ... added at 05:12, July 30, 2005 by 70.187.166.113
 * Keep on te balance of probabilities, it is extremely likely that such a movement exists.     07:10, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
 * KEEP. But this article needs to be re-written to conform to a higher standard.Voice of All(MTG) 17:40, July 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Umbri

The Umbri were an Italic people of ancient Italy. A region called Umbria still exists and is now occupied by Italian speakers. It is somewhat smaller than the ancient Umbria.

Most ancient Umbrian cities were settled in the 9th-4th centuries BC on easily defensible hilltops. Umbria was bordered by the Tiber and Nar rivers and included the Apennine slopes on the Adriatic. The ancient Umbrian language is a branch of a group called Oscan-Umbrian, which is related to the Latino-Faliscan languages.

Origins
They are also called Ombrii in some Roman sources. Ancient Roman writers thought the Umbri to be of Gaulish origin; wrote that they were descended from an ancient Gaulish tribe. Plutarch wrote that the name might be a different way of writing the name of a northern European tribe, the, and that both ethnonyms were cognate with "King of the ". However, both Greek and Roman scholars sometimes conflated Celtic and Germanic peoples. The historical Ambrones originated in or around Jutland, were apparently a Germanic-speaking people, and no evidence that they had a connection to the Celtic peoples, per se, has been found. Livy suggested that the, another Gaulish tribe, might be connected; their Celtic name Isombres could possibly mean "Lower Umbrians," or inhabitants of the country below Umbria. Similarly Roman historian Cato the Elder, in his masterpiece Origines, defines the Gauls as "the progenitors of the Umbri". The Ambrones are also mentioned, with the Lombards and the Suebi, among the tribes of Northern Europe in the poem Widsith.

Pliny the Elder wrote concerning the folk-etymology of the name: "The Umbrian people are thought the oldest in Italy; they are believed to have been called Ombrii (here, "the people of the thunderstorm,"  after  ὅμβρος, "thunderstorm")  by the Greeks because they survived the deluge  (literally  "the inundation of the lands by thunderstorms, imbribus). The Etruscans vanquished 300 Umbrian cities."

Ancient Greek historians considered the Umbri as the ancestors of the Sabellian people, namely the Sabines and the Samnites, and the tribes which sprung from them, as the Marsi, Marrucini, Peligni, Picentes, Hirpini, and others. Their expansion was in a southward direction, according to the rite of Ver Sacrum.

Culture
Lepontic inscriptions have also been found in Umbria, in the area which saw the emergence of the Terni culture, which had strong similarities with the Celtic-speaking cultures of Hallstatt and La Tène. The Umbrian necropolis of Terni, which dates back to the 10th century BC, was virtually identical in every aspect to the Celtic necropolis of the Golasecca culture.

Religion

During the 6th–4th centuries BC, Umbrian communities constructed rural sanctuaries in which they sacrificed to the gods. Bronze votives shaped as animals or deities were also offered. Umbrian deities include Feronia, Valentia, Minerva Matusia and Clitumnus. The Iguvine Tablets were discovered in 1444 at Scheggia, near Gubbio, Italy. Composed during the 2nd or 3rd centuries BC, they describe religious rituals involving animal sacrifice.

The ancient sanctuary to Venus (or her Umbrian equivalent) at Hispellum was an important sacred place for Umbrian tribes from the 3rd c. BC and the site was monumentalised in the Republican age (2nd-1st century BC).

The modern Festival of Ceri, celebrated every year in Gubbio on May 15 in honor of Bishop Ubald or Ubaldo of Gubbio (1084-1160), shares certain features with the rites described in the 3rd c. BC Iguvine tables mentioned above, and so may be a survival of that ancient pre-Christian custom. It is also celebrated in Jessup, PA, a town with a large number of immigrants from the Gubbio area, as Saint Ubaldo Day.

Political structure

While we have little direct information about ancient Umbrian political structure, it is fairly clear that two men held the supreme magistracy of uhtur and were responsible for supervising rituals. Other civic offices included the marone, which had a lower status than uhtur (closely related to Latin auctor whence English "author"), and a religious position named kvestur (cognate to or a borrowing of Latin Quaestor). The Umbrian social structure was divided into distinct groups probably based upon military rank. During the reign of Augustus, four Umbrian aristocrats became senators. Emperor Nerva’s family was from Umbria.

According to Guy Jolyon Bradley, " The religious sites of the region have been thought to reveal a society dominated by agricultural and pastoral concerns, to which town life came late in comparison to Etruria."

Roman influence
Throughout the 9th-4th centuries BC, imported goods from Greece and Etruria were common, as well as the production of local pottery.

The Romans first made contact with Umbria in 310 BC and settled Latin colonies there in 299 BC, 268 BC and 241 BC. They had completed their conquest of Umbria by approximately 260 BC. The Via Flaminia linking areas of Umbria was complete by 220 BC. Cities in Umbria also contributed troops to Rome for its many wars. Umbrians fought under Scipio Africanus in 205 BC during the Second Punic War. The Praetorian Guard recruited from Etruria and Umbria. The Umbri played a minor role in the Social War and as a result were granted citizenship in 90 BC. Roman veterans were settled in Umbria during the reign of Augustus.

Archaeological sites
The Umbrians descend from the culture of Terni, protohistoric facies of southern Umbria. The towns of Chianciano and Clusium (Umbrian: Camars) near modern Arezzo contain traces of Umbrian habitation dating to the 7th or 8th centuries BC. Terni (in Latin: Interamna Nahars) was the first important Umbrian center. Its population was called with the name of Umbri Naharti. They were the largest, organized and belligerent tribe of the Umbrians and populated compactly across the basin of Nera River. This people are quoted for 8 times in the Iguvine Tablets. Their importance is confirmed not only by the Iguvine Tablets and Latin historians, and by the important and privileged role played by this city in Roman times, but also by the discovery, at the end of the 19th and early 20th centuries, of one of the larger mixed burial necropoleis (Urnfield culture and burial fields) in Europe, about 3000 tombs (Necropoli delle Acciaierie di Terni).

Assisi, called Asisium by the Romans, was an ancient Umbrian site on a spur of Mount Subasio. Myth relates that the city was founded by Dardanus in 847 BC.

Perugia and Orvieto are not considered of Umbrian but Etruscan origin. According to the geographical distribution of the Umbrian territory, they are located on the left side of the Tiber River, which is part of the ancient Etruria. Umbri were on the opposite side of the river. According to the map of Regio Umbria and Ager Galliucus by Emperor Augustus, the major Umbrian city-states were: Terni, Todi, Amelia and Spoleto (the current part of southern Umbria).

Gentes of Umbrian origin

 * Accia gens
 * Annaea gens
 * Belliena gens
 * Cocceia gens
 * Fuficia gens
 * Luciena gens
 * Peducaea gens
 * Propertia gens
 * Rustia gens
 * Scoedia gens
 * Sibidiena gens
 * Titulena gens
 * Ulpia gens
 * Umbrena gens
 * Umbria gens
 * Umbricia gens

Romans of Umbrian ancestry

 * Nerva, Roman emperor
 * Trajan, Roman emperor
 * Seneca the Elder, rhetorician and writer
 * Seneca the Younger, Stoic philosopher, statesman and dramatist

Genetics
A 2020 analysis of maternal haplogroups from ancient and modern samples indicated a substantial genetic similarity among the modern inhabitants of Umbria and the area's ancient pre-Roman inhabitants, and evidence of substantial genetic continuity in the region from pre-Roman times to the present with regard to mitochondrial DNA. Both modern and ancient Umbrians were found to have high rates of mtDNA haplogroups U4 and U5a, and an overrepresentation of J (at roughly 30%). The study also found that, "local genetic continuities are further attested to by six terminal branches (H1e1, J1c3, J2b1, U2e2a, U8b1b1 and K1a4a)" also shared by ancient and modern Umbrians.

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Rick Perlstein

Rick Perlstein (born September 3, 1969) is an American historian and journalist who has garnered recognition for his chronicles of the post-1960s American conservative movement. The author of five bestselling books, Perlstein received the 2001 Los Angeles Times Book Prize for his first book, Before the Storm: Barry Goldwater and the Unmaking of the American Consensus. Politico has dubbed him "a chronicler extraordinaire of modern conservatism."

Early life and education
Perlstein was born in Milwaukee, Wisconsin to a Reform Jewish family, the third child of Jerold and Sandra (née Friedman) Perlstein. His father ran Bonded Messenger Service, a delivery company founded by his grandfather in 1955. Perlstein grew up in the Bayside and Fox Point neighborhoods of suburban Milwaukee, taking cross country trips with his parents and siblings to national landmarks like Mount Rushmore and Yellowstone National Park. In high school, upon earning his driver's license, Perlstein would head to Renaissance Books in downtown Milwaukee, and spend hours in its basement among stacks of old magazines from the 1960s. He later recounted in an interview: "I ended up getting my own archive on the 1960s culture wars. That's where it started." He also wrote in Rolling Stone: "A sixties obsessive since childhood, I misspent my teenage years prowling a ramshackle five-story used-book warehouse that somehow managed ... to stay one step ahead of Milwaukee, Wisconsin's building inspectors." Following graduation from Nicolet High School, Perlstein attended the University of Chicago, earning a B.A. in History in 1992. While at the University of Chicago – years Perlstein described as "delightfully noisy and dissident", and a stark contrast to the suburbia of his youth, which "felt like a jail" – he was able to engage with and catch neighborhood jam sessions.

Career
After graduate study in American studies at the University of Michigan, Perlstein moved to New York in 1994, settling in the Park Slope neighborhood of Brooklyn. While in New York, Perlstein interned at Lingua Franca, a magazine about academic and intellectual life, where he would become an associate editor. Perlstein also began writing book reviews, for publications like The Nation and Slate. It was Perlstein's 1996 Lingua Franca essay "Who Owns the Sixties?" that won him public notice, by exposing the emerging chasm between older and younger historians. The essay also aroused the attention of a literary agent and soon after earned him a grant from the National Endowment for the Humanities.

In December 2023, Perlstein was hired by The American Prospect to contribute a weekly column/email newsletter on media criticism, history and the 2024 United States elections, titled The Infernal Triangle.

Chronicle of modern American conservatism
, Perlstein had published four notable books on the subject of modern American conservatism.

Before the Storm (2001)
In 1997, Perlstein began work on a history of the rise of Barry Goldwater, a transformative event for the conservative movement. Perlstein's book, Before the Storm: Barry Goldwater and the Unmaking of the American Consensus, was released in 2001 to widespread acclaim, including a laudatory review in The New York Times by William Kristol, editor of the conservative Weekly Standard. Kristol wrote of Before the Storm, "It's an amazing story, and Perlstein, a man of the left, does it justice." Perlstein won the 2001 Los Angeles Times Book Prize in History. Soon after, Perlstein moved from New York to Chicago. Perlstein was the national political correspondent for The Village Voice from 2003 to 2005, and contributed articles to publications that included The New York Times, The New Republic and The American Prospect.

Beginning in spring 2007 through 2009 Perlstein was a Senior Fellow at the Campaign for America's Future where he wrote for its blog The Big Con about the failures of conservative governance. A co-director at the Campaign for America's Future once noted, "Rick was unique. … I don't know when he sleeps."

Nixonland (2008)
In May 2008, Perlstein's Nixonland: The Rise of a President and the Fracturing of America was published to rave reviews. In his review, the conservative columnist George Will credited Perlstein having "a novelist's, or perhaps an anthropologist's, eye for illuminating details" and called Nixonland "compulsively readable." At the end of 2008, The New York Times included Nixonland among its notable books. In 2009, The A.V. Club included it among the best books of the decade.

The Invisible Bridge (2014)
In August 2014, Simon & Schuster published The Invisible Bridge: the Fall of Nixon and the Rise of Reagan. In his New York Times review, Frank Rich wrote that the tome was "a Rosetta stone for reading America and its politics today." The Invisible Bridge received favorable reviews from The New Yorker, Slate, and The Washington Post among others.

Reaganland (2020)
In August 2020, Perlstein published a fourth work detailing the events of the years before Ronald Reagan's presidency and his presidential race against Jimmy Carter from 1976 to 1980. Reaganland is Perlstein's longest publication at almost 1,200 pages long.

Reaganland received favorable reviews from The Guardian, the Los Angeles Times, and The New Republic. Reaganland was one of the New York Times 100 Notables Books of 2020. It was also subject to a scathing critique in Commentary by Steven F. Hayward, himself an author of a two-part volume on Reagan.

Plagiarism allegations
Conservative author and public relations consultant Craig Shirley has alleged that The Invisible Bridge stole distinctive words and phrasing from his 2004 book, Reagan's Revolution. Perlstein's supporters regarded the criticism as a partisan attack. Responding to numerous complaints, Times public editor Margaret Sullivan dismissed the plagiarism allegations as a "smear" and criticized the reporting for "conferr[ing] a legitimacy on the accusation it would not otherwise have had."

Responding to letters from Shirley and his attorneys, Perlstein's publisher, Simon & Schuster, stated that the claims of plagiarism "ignored the most basic principle of copyright law." Those same letters from Shirley's attorneys demanded that Simon & Schuster pay Shirley $25 million in damages, pull all copies of The Invisible Bridge and take out ads of apology in various publications. If these demands weren't met, the letters promised that a lawsuit would be filed on July 30, 2014, nearly a week before the book was to be released on August 5. On August 9, 2014, it was reported that there was no evidence a lawsuit had ever been filed. For his part, Perlstein said, "Mr. Shirley has sued me for $25 million and tried to keep people from reading my book; I've told everyone to read his book."

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Coming to NM
Howdy, Oddtodd! Just wanted to say hello because I am currently considering making a move out to Albuquerque...I have found that a great way to get to know people is to contact Wikipedians in a given area, so if you would like to talk about New Mexico, or Wikipedia, or whatever, let me know.

Your job sounds interesting...I myself have been trying to start out with Wikinews and perhaps upload some video of newsworthy events. If you ever would like to collaborate on something along those lines, I would be thrilled to finally do it.

Perhaps if/when I get to Albuquerque we can hold the first ever WP meetup there! Best, Paul 04:58, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

More Information on KOB-TV
Hi there,

You don't mention which station you hail from, but I am an alum of KOB-TV, circa 2001. I'm a nerd at heart, and like you, interested in local TV history.

One of your pages referenced the fact you were looking for more information on KOB, and I didn't know if you were familiar with the book "KOB: Goddard's Magic Mast". It was written in the early 70's by a grad student at NMSU. When I left the Land of Entrapment (pun intented, (c) 2000 Mark Horner, used with permission), the Albuquerque Public Library had only one copy, in the New Mexico Collections library (or something like that). You can't check it out, but you can borrow it to read within the library.

Last I checked, there were a few copies floating around the state. One was at a used bookstore in Las Cruces. At the time they listed it on their website, but didn't sell via phone or internet, and by the time I made it that far out of town, it had been lost. They said it would proabably surface eventually. There was also a copy at the used bookstore that is across the street from the Frontier Restaurant, but they wanted an outrageous amount for it, and they're probably out of business by now anyway.

There were surprisingly few copies floating around KOB itself, and very few people even knew such a book existed. Mike Burgess had a copy in his office, but by the time I realized that, I'd already read it.

Anyhow, the book was less than 100 pages, an easy read sitting at the library. Worth a look if you're interested.

I don't know if this interests you (or anyone), but the KASA studios (upstairs at KOB-TV) are where the old KOB-AM and FM studios were. When they were installing the new set, they tossed tons of cool old-time radio stuff. Enough carts to sink a ship. :-)

Conroy Chino and the EWN4 Investigative Unit used a large corner of the second floor as their office, until they were displaced by the new studio.

Best of luck at UNM, and with your journalism career.

Photomikey 07:39, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

KASY-TV
KUPT-TV in Hobbs has no affiliation with KASY-TV....KUPT in Hobbs is with KMYL-TV in Lubbock. However KASY-TV can be seen in Hobbs on cable channel 13

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Hays Regional Airport

Hays Regional Airport is three miles southeast of Hays, in Ellis County, Kansas, United States. It is used for general aviation and sees one airline, United Express.

The National Plan of Integrated Airport Systems for 2021–2025 categorized it as a non-primary commercial service airport (between 2,500 and 10,000 enplanements per year).

In the 1950s the airport was known as the Hays Municipal Airport and located in the half-mile square whose southeast corner was at East 13th Street and Canterbury Drive. The current airport opened around 1960 with a 4000-ft runway.

Historical airline service
Central Airlines began flights to the original Hays airport in 1961. Hays was one of several stops on a route between Denver and Kansas City. Douglas DC-3 aircraft were first used and service was soon moved to the present airport. Central later upgraded with Convair 240 and Convair 600 aircraft before merging into Frontier Airlines in 1967. Frontier flew Convair 580 aircraft along the same route until service ended in early 1977.

Air Midwest served Hays from 1969 through 2007 using Beechcraft 99 and Fairchild Swearingen Metroliner II aircraft. The carrier provided commuter flights to Denver, Kansas City, and Wichita, most flights made one or more stops en route. From 1986 through 1988 Air Midwest operated as Eastern Express on behalf of Eastern Airlines and from 1988 through 1989 their service operated as Braniff Express on behalf of Braniff (1983-1990). From late 1989 through early 1991 Air Midwest operated under their own branding before beginning a third code share partnership as US Airways Express on behalf of US Airways with flights to Kansas City. The service as US Airways Express lasted until 2007 when all service ended. Air Midwest had switched to using Beechcraft 1900D aircraft in the early 1990s.

United Express, operated by Mesa Airlines provided service to Denver on behalf of United Airlines from 1992 through 1998 using Beechcraft 1900D commuter aircraft.

Great Lakes Airlines then provided service to Denver from 1998 through 2014 using Beechcraft 1900Ds. At first Great Lakes operated as United Express but reverted to its own branding in 2002. From 2007 through 2009 the carrier also provided flights to Kansas City.

The current provider, SkyWest Airlines, operating as United Express, began service to Denver on August 1, 2014, using Bombardier CRJ100/200 regional jets. Service to Chicago O'Hare began later with a stop at Salina, Kansas.

Facilities
The airport covers 545 acres (221 ha) at an elevation of 1,999 feet (609 m). It has two concrete runways: 16/34 is 6,501 by 100 feet (1,982 x 30 m), rebuilt in 2013, and 4/22 is 4,501 by 75 feet (1,372 x 23 m). Runway 4/22 was built in 2002.

In the year ending December 31, 2021, the airport had 31,329 aircraft operations, an average of 86 per day: 70% general aviation, 25% air taxi, 5% airline and less than 1% military. In April 2022, 35 aircraft were based at this airport: 31 single-engine, 3 multi-engine and 1 helicopter.

Other sources

 * Essential Air Service documents (Docket DOT-OST-1998-3497) from the U.S. Department of Transportation:
 * Order 2009-9-5 (September 11, 2009): re-selecting Great Lakes Aviation, Ltd., to provide essential air service (EAS) at Dodge City, Garden City, Great Bend, Hays, and Liberal for the two-year period from October 1, 2009, through September 30, 2011, at combined annual subsidy rates of $8,897,565. Hays, Kansas: Docket OST-1998-3497; Scheduled Service: 24 nonstop round trips per week to Denver; Aircraft: Beech 1900, 19 seats.
 * Order 2011-10-24 (October 31, 2011): re-selecting Great Lakes Aviation, Ltd., to provide essential air service (EAS) at Great Bend and Hays combined for $3,246,061 annual subsidy. Effective Period: Two year period beginning when American Eagle begins full EAS (at Garden City) through the 24th month thereafter. Hays: 24 nonstop round trips per week to Denver with Beech 1900s.
 * Order 2014-3-9 (March 14, 2014): selecting SkyWest Airlines, Inc. to provide essential air service (EAS) at Hays, and sets bridge rates for Great Lakes at Great Bend and Hays until the start of replacement service.
 * Great Lakes Aviation, Ltd.: Docket 1998–3497; Effective Period: May 1, 2014 through July 31, 2014; Service: Eighteen (18) nonstop round trips per week to Denver (DEN); Aircraft Type: Beech 1900, Annual Subsidy: $1,699,520.
 * SkyWest Airlines, Inc.: Docket 1998–3497; Effective Period: July 1, 2014, through July 31, 2016; Service: Twelve (12) nonstop round trips per week to Denver (DEN); Aircraft Type: 50-seat regional jet; Annual Subsidy: $2,253,132.

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W!LD RICE

Wild Rice (stylized W!LD RICE), founded in 2000 by Ivan Heng, is a professional theatre company in Singapore. In 2019, the company established a permanent performance venue at Funan Mall.

History
The first show by Wild Rice was held at Jubilee Hall in Raffles Hotel. Since then, the company has operated out of a studio space in Little India. Productions have been held in rented venues such as the Victoria Theatre.

In 2017, Wild Rice kickstarted the process to acquire a permanent venue to hold productions, after seven failed attempts. The permanent venue would contain a theatre within the new Funan Mall and would cost S$15 million. The construction was funded through a fundraising strategy that included calls for donations, a gala dinner, and government grant. The 20,000 sqft venue spans across three levels and comprises a 60-seat performance studio, rehearsal rooms, Wild Rice’s office, and its 358-seat Ngee Ann Kongsi Theatre. The theatre features Singapore's only thrust stage, where the performance space is in the middle of the auditorium with the audience seated on three sides, based on the Royal Shakespeare Company’s Swan Theatre in Stratford-Upon-Avon, England. It has a stage and seating configuration that allows for minimum usage of microphones. The theatre was officially opened on 8 August 2019 with Thomas Lim’s Supervision, with a grand opening season of four productions between 4 September to 22 December.

List of performances

 * 2000: Emily of Emerald Hill
 * 2000: An Occasional Orchid
 * 2001: The Coffin is Too Big for the Hole & No Parking on Odd Days; An Occasional Orchid; The Woman in a Tree on the Hill; Emily of Emerald Hill; Blithe Spirit
 * 2002: Emily of Emerald Hill; Animal Farm; Ang Tau Mui; Boeing Boeing; Rice Ball 2002: Starry Starry Night
 * 2003: The Eleanor Wong Trilogy: Invitation to Treat; Rice Ball 2003: Red, White and W!ld; Animal Farm; Cinderel-lah!
 * 2004: Landmarks: Asian Boys Vol. 2; Animal Farm; Rice Ball 2004: Double Happiness; For the Pleasure of Seeing Her Again; The Visit of the Tai Tai; Aladdin
 * 2005: Boeing Boeing; Rice Ball 2005: Kampong Glam; Second Link: The Singapore-Malaysia Text Exchange; Oi! Sleeping Beauty!!
 * 2006: Connect the Dots; The Magic Fundoshi; Rice Ball 2006: Some Enchanted Evening; Homesick; The Silence of the Kittens; By the Way; The Campaign to Confer the Public Service Star on JBJ; National History Class/Utama: Every Name in History is I; Salsa! Salsa! Salsa!; Sing Your Way Home; Second Link; Jack & the Bean-sprout!
 * 2007: Blithe Spirit; Rice Ball 2007: Singapore A-go-go!; On Diversion Road (by young & W!LD); Happy Endings: Asian Boys Vol. 3; The Campaign to Confer the Public Service Star on JBJ; Mad Forest (by young & W!LD)
 * 2008: Beauty World; The Hypochondriac (by young & W!LD); The Swordfish, then the Concubine; Angel-ism; Tree/House; The Last Temptation of Stamford Raffles; I am Queen; Apocalypse: LIVE!; Own Time Own Target; Blood Binds; Rice Ball 2008: Disco Rice Ball; Snow White & the Seven Dwarfs
 * 2009: The Importance of Being Earnest; Own Time Own Target; Rice Ball 2009: The Big Hair Ball; Beauty & the Beast
 * 2010: Animal Farm; Family (by young & W!LD); Boeing Boeing; Unlike Some People (by young & W!LD); Rice Ball 2010: The Red Hot Chilli Padi Ball; Cinderel-lah!
 * 2011: Swordfish+Concubine: The Fall of Singapura (by young & W!LD); Emily of Emerald Hill; Animal Farm; The Weight of Silk on Skin; Charged; Cooling-off Day; Family Outing; Nadirah; Rice Ball 2011: People’s Acting Party!; Aladdin
 * 2012: Cooling-off Day; Romeo & Juliet; La Cage Aux Folles; Rice Ball 2012: Diamonds are Forever; Hansel and Gretel
 * 2013: The Importance of Being Earnest; Cook a Pot of Curry; Dreamplay: Asian Boys Vol. 1; The Optic Trilogy; Rice Ball 2013: The (Very) Royal Ball; Jack & the Bean-sprout!
 * 2014: The House of Bernarda Alba; The Importance of Being Earnest; Little Riots and Other Stories (by young & W!LD); Rice Ball 2014: Night Safari; Monkey Goes West
 * 2015: Public Enemy; Geylang (by young & W!LD); Another Country; Hotel; The Importance of Being Earnest; A Midsummer Night’s Dream (by young & W!LD); Rice Ball 2015: Swinging Sexy Singapura!; The Emperor’s New Clothes
 * 2016: When S#!t Hits the Fam (by young & W!LD); Hotel; Geylang; Riders Know When It’s Gonna Rain; Hawa; Let’s Get Back Together; Grandmother Tongue; GRC (Geng Rebut Cabinet); My Mother Buys Condoms; Rice Ball 2016: XXX – The Very W!LD Rice Ball; Monkey Goes West
 * 2017: Crossings (by young & W!LD); La Cage Aux Folles; The Bald Soprano (by young & W!LD); Boeing Boeing; Rice Ball 2017: Once Upon A Time; Grandmother Tongue; Mama White Snake
 * 2018: Supervision; Press Gang; Building A Character; G.F.E.; 招: When The Cold Wind Blows; An Actress Prepares; Faghag; One Metro Square: Voices From Sungei Road; Rice Ball 2018: Out Of This World; A $ingapore Carol
 * 2019: Anything Can Happen/Something Must Happen; Supervision; Emily Of Emerald Hill; Rice Ball 2019: Making History; Merdeka; Fair Play; Peter Pan In Serangoon Gardens
 * 2020: The Importance Of Being Earnest; The Pitch; Rice Ball 2020: MASKquerade; An Actress Prepares; #FeelingsToTheMax - PSLE Edition; Mine; Cafe; Candide; Schooled
 * 2021: Bull; Grandmother Tongue; Where Are You? (Singapore); The Amazing Celestial Race; #FeelingsToTheMax - A New Friend; The Other F Word; Agathi Refugee; You Are Here; SIFA 2021 - The Commission; Faghag; Love & Information; Straight Acting; Don't Call Him Mr Mari Kita; Momotaro & The Magnificent Peach
 * 2022: The Good Citizen; The Amazing Celestial Race; Schooled; Tartuffe: The Imposter; Faghag; Straight Acting; Don't Call Him Mr Mari Kita; Animal Farm; Pulau Ujong/Island At The End; The Butterfly Lovers; Pinochio
 * 2023: Rice Ball 2023: The Legendary Ball; An Inspector Calls; The Butterfly Lovers; The Wonderful World Of Dissocia; Hotel; Every Student Is A Good Student / In My Head; Psychobitch; The Velveteen Rabbit; G*d Is A Woman; Fair Play

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