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Talk:E-Series (Sonic the Hedgehog)

Zero
Nobody knows if Zero is E-100 Alpha. IP recorded 0:17 (GMT +1), 28 February 2006

Read the note, unless you have a reliable site/source to prove that information wrong. Lord Falcon 00:45, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

I did read the note and there is a problem in my view. According to you, I could change E-100 Alpha in E-150 Digamma (or whatever) and you would not be able to find a reliable site/source to prove that information wrong. Because nobody knows if Zero is E-100 Alpha (or whatever except Zero). Regards. IP recorded 20:15 (GMT +1), 28 February 2006

Either it is 100a or it is not a e-series, since Sonic Team stated Omega is the last & most powerful e-100. Lord Falcon 23:46, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

I totally agree with you on these two points. So, why are we assuming that Zero belongs to the E-Series? If nobody knows about a piece of information, then it should not appear in Wikipedia. And if I had to, I would not bet that Zero is an E-Series, for two reasons. It doesn't look like the rest of the E-Series robots (including Omega) which are clearly anthropomorphic (so even if I also think there was an Alpha somewhere, a sort of prototype, it would have been very odd that the prototype was so different from the rest of the series). And if it was an E-Series, I think it would have been logical that it was clearly known as a member of the E-series and it would have played an important role in the E-102's Story (in SA). Actually, I think we are assuming something that is likely to be false. Regards. IP recorded 19:03, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

The letter e is written on zero's body, he also has the square with the two eyes in, other than some other eyes. He also has the same lock-on sight, I think that he is e-0 because he is called zero.

I have to admit this is a much better explanation, it makes sense. So Zero would not be an E-100 Series but an E Series though. It's still a conjecture but a much more convincing one. IP recorded 19:33, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Did Sonic Adventure or Sonic X give any clues? How about "E-100 Alpha" Zero, instead? Lord Falcon 03:25, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

On the original Dreamcast version of Sonic Adventure, there was an internet connectivity feature that took you to a special web site. The site included simple walkthroughs for each of the characters' games, and in Amy's walkthrough, I remember it called Zero "E-100" (I don't remember if it was "E-100 Zero" or what, but I definitely remember he was E-100). I assume this web site is down, though (anyone with a Dreamcast still hooked up want to give it a shot?), but I remember this very distinctly. --typhoon 04:23, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

E-121 Phi
According to the Greek alphabet Phi should be E-120 not E-121. Unless it calls him E-121 in the game I think this should be changed..--I don't have a username 1:14, 27 August 2005

E-1013 Rook and Egg Pirate
What's that robot? I don't remember that robot in the game. Oh and Egg Pirate also.--I don't have a username 5:18, 05 October 2005

E-102 Gamma Picture
I really think that the E-102 picture doesn't match because it should show the E-series, not just Gamma. Also, Gamma has such a small section that his picture doesn't deserve to be up there. --anon

27/1/06 I think that every section deserves a picture

Elite series
How can you be sure that all minor enemies (such as Boa-Boa or kiki) are given an E-something title. Maybe 'E' stands for Elite and this is why Gamma and Omega are so much better than the rest.

Beacuse I don't think Eggman would just skip to 100 in his robots. They also have numbers in Sonic X and that's all his robots so that proves it.Pokemega32 17:07, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Just that only robots that look a bit like gamma are actually called e-series ( with the exception of phi.

G-Mel
When foes it call him Gemerl? Isn't it G-Mel? He also shouldn't be E-122, because he's not a Greek letter. And he was created after Omega.Pokemega32 17:07, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

To be a e-series robot or considered one, one doesn't have to contain a greek name or letter. Gemerl (also occasionally referred to as Gemel, G-Mel, or simply Emerl) If you can find websites to prove any information wrong, do it, and put the link here. Lord Falcon 02:12, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't have a link, but I didn't say he couldn't be an E-Series robot, I said he couldn't be an E-100 Series robot. All E-100 Series are Greek letters.Pokemega32 02:20, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

You should've stated exactly that. The "Robots from other games" section I believe shouldn't even be there. Everything there should already be listed somewhere else in the article or on the "Shadow the Hedgehog (vg)" article. As for "E-122" Gemerl, you should look into that, I'll see what I can do. Lord Falcon 02:56, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

E-100 Zero
Didn't E-100 Zero used to have an article? What happened to it? --anon

It wasn't needed. We don't even know if Zero is a e-series robot to begin with. Lord Falcon 03:25, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Oh, but even if he isn't an e-series robot, couldn't he still have his own article? --anon

Robots from the advance series
Shouldn't we include the robots from the advance series are they not e-series or are they badniks.

I'll like to see the robots, give me a link, I'm not familair with the series. Lord Falcon 03:21, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

This is teh best I can find and I think it is the Japanese names http://ghz.emulationzone.org/sonic/advance/advance.html I can't find anything from the other series

Genders?
Seems like there's some mixed pronoun usage in here, referring to some of the robots as "he" or "it" almost randomly. It's not a big deal, but perhaps we should universalize them to be genderless. I know Gamma had a masculine voice (as well as a male voice actor), but the fact of the matter is that regardless of what electronic noise comes out, they're still supposed to be non-living robots. And, hey, the little pink bird inside the original E-102 (its only living component) may have even been female. Matt S. 18:11, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Gamma is not a cyborg. This is vandalism.
I'm not sure if someone thinks it's just a joke or what, but continuing to replace robot with cyborg isn't doing much to make you look intelligent. If you want to keep playing this ridiculous edit war, though, I'm up for it. I've got a minute to spare every day. --Matt S. 18:43, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I just had to revert an edit about that. maybe we should request semi-protection?-- a c1983fan-Talk 15:43, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Seems like it. Maybe whoever it is will get tired of goofing off in a few days, though. --Matt S. 01:28, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Quick update: Just found out this kid's also vandalizing the E-102 Gamma article. It's probably best to keep an eye on both for now. --Matt S. 01:35, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

How do we know it's vandalism? This person could just think that it's correct and change it (and how do we even know it's a kid?). So we should just talk to that person or leave or note. --71.104.180.139 19:05, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Because it has been removed repeatedly and the person Doesn't stop it. The first time, it wasn't vandalism, the second time, vandalism.-- A  c1983fan  ( talk  •  contribs ) 20:06, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

It's also possible that it's the person firm belief that Gamma is a cyborg. For instance, when I first edited Wikipedia, I was dead set on having some section because I thought it was true (now I know it isn't). So the person might keep putting it back, thinking it's true. --71.105.7.27 06:07, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Notes were left in the edit history prior to this comment being added to the talk section. It'd be good common sense to check the edit history if you find one of your edits repeatedly removed.

--Matt S. 01:14, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I know, but at that time, I didn't see the history section. --71.105.4.194 01:50, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Vandalism is the blatent and malicious insertion of mislead material, and sometimes the repeated introduction of material after being inquired to cease. This is unwanted, but not vandalism.

 * On the information, there is a argument for the cyborg term. Technically, the E-series consists of animal creatures melded within and combined into the being of a mechanical body for battle purposes. Being a mixture of an organic core and robotic body, the E-series could be classified as a cyborg although I'm not going to insert that into the article.

 * When the robot shell is destroyed, it releases the core animal. -ZeroTalk 02:36, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

 * The creator of the E-series still calls them robots. FullMetal Falcon 16:12, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

 * According to Webster's online dictionary, cyborg specifically refers to a cybernetically enhanced human. But, for the sake of fair argument, let's look past that to the possibility that the word could refer to any cybernetically enhanced organism. Let it be known I've already thought of the fact that there are living creatures inside, as I'm sure many others have. I'm not sure why the "cyborg" title doesn't apply in this context, but the fact of the matter is that, well, it doesn't. I'm not sure of wikipedia's policies regarding this, but this is a fictional character, and the company that owns the rights to the character pretty flatly states that it is a robot, as do characters in the game, to my recollection. I'm sure most of us would rather not get into the (presumably nonexistent) logistics of it since this is just a video game, but so that I don't seem like a mindless anti-cyborg zombie editor, here's a crack at it: Perhaps it's because the animals are simply being used as power sources for the robots, and not as integral components. In some Sonic games, the robots drop rings or Chaos Drives (though the aforementioned machines that drop Chaos Drives aren't owned/operated by Dr. Eggman), so it's possible that different power sources may be usable in this series' universe. Plus, the animals clearly aren't surgically connected to the machines in any way, if that makes any particular difference. --Matt S. 05:09, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

E-10000o?
I noticed that all the other E-10000s have capitalized letters (E-10000G, E-10000R, E-10000Y, E-10000B), but the orange E-10000 isn't E-10000O, it's E-10000o. Is this correct? I'm hesitant to change it, because I might be wrong. Can someone clarify which one is correct? RememberMe? 03:49, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Ithink it's just like that so you can tell the difference between the 0 and the O.-- A c1983fan  ( talk  •  contribs ) 21:56, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I thought about that, but look at this: 0O. You can easily tell the difference. RememberMe? 14:28, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

E Series Mean bean machine robots
Do these seem to be E robots? It's hard to tell,actually. They're too large to be badniks... P.S. Could sombody make it 7.0? It's not a part of Sonic X robots.
 * They do not seem to be E-Series robots, as Mean Bean Machine is not canonical. Furthermore, they would all have to follow a basic design to be considered in the E-Series. Add this with the section's overall lack of neatness, and I think it constitutes being cut out of the article. I've done such myself, but if anyone contests this they may put it back. Evan1109

 * Some folks may argue you to the grave about the "canonical" nature of certain Sonic games, as the general viewpoint of the more staunch Sega of America production fans is that anything licensed by Sega is "canon." On top of that, there is no rule saying that they need to follow a basic design to be considered an "E-series" robot, at least taking Sonic X into consideration. However, I strongly agree that removing them was the best course of action, though for a different reason: There's absolutely nothing in official documentation or otherwise that suggests any of them were E-series robots. None of them were named E-anything. Furthermore, if we take into consideration that the E most likely stands for "Eggman," and that he was referred to exclusively as "Dr. Robotnik" in Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine, it seems even less likely.
 * This also leads me to believe that we should probably nuke most of the Sonic Heroes section as well, though. From what I can find, there's nothing that says the Egg Pawns or any other robots from that game are E-series, save for the E-2000s. Is there a source I'm overlooking? I know Google isn't exactly failsafe proof, but searching for E-1001 Egg Pawn, I only get one relevant result that isn't Wikipedia or a mirror. As such, I think I'm going to go on a bit of a deletion spree to get rid of some fanon. If anyone finds any official information to the contrary that supports their status as E-series 'bots, they'll be more than welcome to revert it. --Matt S. 04:49, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I should of known that would happen...The first thing that came to mind when I saw egg pawn,obviously was arms,as I put. They also appear to be diffrent eggmans,too.That 'Robotnik' was Traingular-headed,with a shoe-like flop on head.HE was also in a diffrent suit and wasn't as fat. -Guy with no username.

Sonic Heroes E-1000 robots
"Yet more believed-to-be but unconfirmed E-models appeared in the game Sonic Heroes" Does this mean that all of the numbers (E-1001 Egg Pawn, E-1002 Egg Flapper, etc.) are pure speculation? --Matt S. 23:58, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes...Unless you can get to a point where you can see an E number on a robot.Eggman certanly dosn't say.-Can't think of a username

 * So I figured. It's been corrected, now, anyway. By the way--Don't forget to sign your comments! It just takes four tildes. --Matt S. 18:15, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Is there really a toilet called E-1000B or is that just a bad joke?

Sweeping edits and deletions
Though I figure most everyone can tell by the above discussion, I just want to make sure it's known that this article isn't being senselessly destroyed or anything. I'm making some broad, sweeping changes in an effort to wipe out speculation and make this article something that's actually accurate, reliable information, and not fanon. I don't mean to offend anyone by deleting their hard work--I know that some of these enemies may seem likely to be E-series robots, especially since Sonic X made it appear that everything Eggman produces is "e-something", but the fact of the matter (as far as I can tell, anyway) is that there are just no sources that support it.

Again, I apologize for deleting so much writing, but this is just in the interest of having a truly encyclopedic article. If anyone has any disputes, input, commentary, sources that I've overlooked, or anything else, you're more more than welcome to discuss it here. The more we work together, the better we can make this otherwise inconsequential video game article into something worthwhile. --Matt S. 18:36, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

gitches
the e-series seems to have a lot of glitches, since gamma and omega didnt follow their programing, metal sonicalso seems to have a few problems. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Anton the Swede (talk • contribs) 15:32, 14 January 2007 (UTC).

Merge.
I vote no, Gamma is a character of it's own, independent of the rest of the E-series. No merge, no reason to kill information.

Eriorguez 22:12, 26 March 2007 (UTC)Eriorguez

I agree with you, no merge Markcambrone 13:59, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Who originally suggested the merge? Paul Haymon 02:56, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Whatever you do, DON'T MERGE GAMMA WITH THE E-SERIES ROBOTS! HE IS SPECIAL!! 207.74.196.20 14:32, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

 * I turn my back for three seconds and someone merges the thing... why, who, when? Paul Haymon 11:27, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Hullo? The Gamma page is gone! It now redirects me to the E-series page! The Gamma page was a good page, with many paragraphs of good info describing his story in Sonic Adventure. It is fine for him to be featured in the E-series page, but the main article should have been that other page. But...it's been merged! Is there any way to get it back?!? If not, I think the whole Gamma thing is totally ruined. He is a special character featured in only game so that the story of his adventure could be totally described within the page. He is not like the other robots, and he does not have a broad line of stories depending on the game (like Sonic or Tails). Whoever merged it clearly did not read this talk section. If someone could "un-merge" it, that would be appreciated. 24.15.53.225 00:40, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I think TTN is the one who suggested and performed the merge, so discuss it with him. I also think it's a bit rude that he did it without countering your points here first though. Gurko 11:05, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

You can unmerge an article by finding the E-series page through an E-102 Gamma link or search and then using the redirect link at the top of the page. (The other unmerged E-Series articles can also be found this way. I think Gamma should have his seperate article back as, while he is a secondary character, he expanded many major aspects of the series: Personally, I'd like Gamma's article back, for both this proffessional argument and my own personal liking of the character. Gamma just seems like one of the few Sonic characters that is handled considerably well, in both character, story, gameplay and even his theme. Hell, they even managed to reincarnate him plausably. Gamma is already an underated character. Don't you think he at least deserves his own Wiki article?80.43.140.42 17:59, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * SEGA made Gamma first. The E-100s (and many later robots) were based on his design. He is also a robot line in his own right, thus a recurring character (E-1000, Chaos Gamma, etc).
 * It was Gamma's story that officially revealed the atonomy of Eggman's robots; that they are born seperate beings with their own conscious rather then just robotocized animals robbed of their free will (Not even Metal Sonic portrayed emotion before Gamma came along). He also expanded this idea, giving it more depth and making them rather sympathetic. (Gamma was loyal to Eggman, not evil. An attack droid that is powered by leeching the life energy of a living being doesn't choose to. It is created that way.)
 * Gamma's story also revealed a badnik's life cycle, showing his creation, programming, training and Eggman's division of the elite and grunt robots. No other robot delved upon this (or merely expanded upon it later). Considering that the Badniks have been a heavy element of the series since day one (perhaps more so than Chaos and the Chaos emeralds and Knuckles and Angel Island) I see Gamma's story as rather notable.
 * One of the main arguments with the merge was how it was handled. TTN merely deleted the entire article, convinced his stub already on the page was good enough. He ignored the arguments of those opposing and thus has had to remerge several times now. A shame as since then the article has actually been edited and refined to make the above points more relevent, yet it was deleted again simply because the argument was not posted on the correct talk page. Compressing and deleting data are two different things.

 * Gamma's importance is in the actual story, not outside of the series. All of the info on the page was either plot summary (one game needs two paragraphs at most, not ten), OR/speculation (personality, relationships, ect), or unsourced junk. The page was bloated beyond belief. The section here isn't that well written, but it summarizes what his role was in the game. That's all he needs. Sorry for not addressing your points before, but I assumed most people wanting to keep a page would have wanted to keep all of them, resulting in you going to another discussion. Nemu 18:06, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I would have to totally agree with 80.43.140.42 and 24.15.53.225--He is not just an ordinary badnik robot. His story was special. I think what some people take as "speculation" is actually the implied meaning that you get from the story. The story is meant to imply that all of the badniks have emotions and either cannot use them or choose not to. If I also remember correctly from the game (and I think this was mentioned at one point in the article) Gamma has an auto recovery system. During sonic's story, he is available to talk to at one point, and he says, I quote, "Auto-Recovery system, activated". Does this not mean that he could have used it to recover from beta's shot? That isn't speculation, that's rooted in fact. I think the whole point of that (and the last memory he had of the flicky family) was that he intentionally did not activate that system and gave up the ultimate sacrifice of his life to save the animal that he was forced into feeding off of for energy. It seems like the whole point of his story is to show that the robots eggman makes have emotions, and are not always cruel, heartless beings unless they choose to be (like humans). I mean, why else would he be included in the game? He wasn't like, a major advancement to the plot or anything. He could have been entirely left out. That's why he's special, because he wasn't left out. His purpose was to reveal about the badnik's emotions. You might say that he's not related outside of the series, but he is! The badniks appear in every sonic game that ever existed!
 * minor spoiler warning*

And as for the page being "bloated beyond belief", I think it should be. A simple summary of the story would not get the point across. An in-depth coverage really shows how good he is far more than just a paragraph or two. And furthermore, it's not like there's a whole lot to be covered. He never appears in any other game. His life literally begins and ends over the course of his story, unlike sonic or eggman, who's sagas are endless. SinHarvest 01:14, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

 * All of what you just said is OR. We cannot use that as a basis for an article. I don't feel like typing out every policy this is against at this point, but there are at least four of them. Please just let this rest. Nemu 01:20, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I think Gamma should have his own article. He played an important role in SADX's storyline and has been in more than one game. He is an important character and Omega should be merged before Gamma. Thats my feelings on the topic. Fwooshlewooshle (talk) 00:52, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with SinHarvest —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.194.7.41 (talk) 01:26, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Gamma
i noticed that gamma doesn't have his own page anymore. i think someone should put it back up. omega has his own page but there isn't as much info for him as there is for gamma.

 * Indeed, why does Omega have his own page while Gamma doesn't? Surely Gamma is at least as noteworthy as Omega.  I was going to let this rest, but this user brings up a good point. Paul Haymon 02:08, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

 * I'm kind of going both ways on this. First of all, Omega made a lot more appearences than Gamma. But now as I read the Omega page, alot of it can also be classified as OR but it has not been changed either. But then again, most of gamma's page was just describing the details of his story (not that I care, that was only to contradict the first user's statement of gamma's page having more info). I really don't know where to go on this. 24.15.53.225 03:08, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Looking at Omega's article again, he does make more appearances than Gamma. But it's slightly arbitrary anyhow, as Gamma's role in Sonic Adventure was as integral as anyone's.  Is there a guideline as to how many appearances constitutes "noteworthy"?  If you consider Gamma's old page as being mainly Original Research, then yes, Omega's page is basically such as well.  While it may not be the best move for Gamma's page to be restored, leaving the Omega page intact while Gamma gets a few short paragraphs in the E-Series article isn't right.  By the way, there better not be an article on Big the Cat, or I'm staging an uprising.  I'm only half kidding.  Those brackets better redirect me somewhere. Paul Haymon 05:12, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, they did. At least that's the way it should be. Paul Haymon 05:16, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Feel free to propose a merger for Omega. I didn't bother because he seems to be notable, and is still around. He'll eventually be at the same level as Cream, so it seems pointless. Some of the stuff on his page is OR, but it could probably be salvaged. At this point, he is far more important than Gamma. Gamma was a one game character that was killed off. His importance and notability are just being over glorified by fans. Nemu 10:19, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

 * I'm not going to argue with you, but as you seem to be addressing me, I am not in favor of merging Omega into the E-Series article. Nor am I in favor of the current situation of Gamma not being addressed properly.  I propose that Gamma receive, if nothing else, a more detailed description of his character and roles. Paul Haymon 04:52, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Once again, you've been free to do so for a while. I hate when people complain about mergers, but don't even try to fix up the section. Nemu 10:00, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

 * I might do just that. Paul Haymon 13:56, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

NO MORE DELETING!
TTN, why did you rv the 15.55, 10 April article as pointless? It brought up a lot of relevent information that hadn't been included in the article. It wasn't OR, and even if some of it was you could have easily deleted certain points rather than the entire thing. You seem to think only you know what should be included in Wiki. Other people check it through History and see if you find a problem with it.
 * It added E-Series. E-01 from SA2 and the green robot from SB ARE E-SERIES. Look at the games yourself. Just because they are in cameos doesn't mean they shouldn't be included. The E-Series article would be incomplete without them.
 * When you said we could refine the story, you were lying right? Relevent plot points were added such as why Eggman demoted his E-100s and basicly ALL of Chaos Gamma's storyline. Sure it makes the article long, but it is nessessary. If someone who hadn't played the game looked at this, it wouldn't make sense.
 * Why is Other media not important? Because the games were here first? In that case we should delete ALL the TV/Comic articles. They are still liscensed by SEGA and even if they weren't, they are still notable products that deserve a mentioning. This wasn't a neutral compression. It was a games purist trying to pretend other continualities don't exist.
 * Abilities actually was important. How else does "Gamma hovered" or "Beta locked on to Gamma" make any sense?
 * Conception is impotant. It explains how and why a product is made. You expect to know how Sonic is made. Just because E-Series aren't as recurring doesn't mean it shouldn't be mentioned. Some of it may have been OR but the rest was relevent sourced information. And yes it was taken from the Gamma article but it still can refer to the rest of the E-100s. It isn't in any other article anymore. You deleted them!

This isn't the first time you've recieved a complaint. You have a large history of deleting and merging a lot of other people's hard work and have angered a lot of the public as a result. Think about it. Wiki is a PUBLIC encyclopedia. If a majority of the public doesn't think there is enough information, surely they must have a point. I know you're just trying to abide by Wiki's standards, but you have your own limitations and opinions as how these standards are carryed out. You only think what is MOST important is important AT ALL, and everything else only deserves a few lines mentioning. That is over simplifying. Sometimes small things are what make major aspects important, and that can't always be explained in your "two paragraphs". Sometimes articles HAVE to be long. Yes, Wiki can't feature everything on earth, but it still has to have something we don't already know. Otherwise, why else would people go on the site?

Oh, and about the Omega merge. Gamma has actually appeared MORE times than Omega: Also note that all his appearances are singular, not co-op or Amigo, etc.
 * 3 PLAYABLE APPEARANCES (2 intergal with story)
 * 1 CAMEO (and gameplay inspiration in SA2)
 * 3 ARTWORK CAMEOS

Even at that though, I don't think Omega should be merged, at least not before say, Mina Mongoose and Space Colony ARK. This is ridiculous. Just because somethings applys to a group you think it no longer matters as an individual character. In that case, lets merge, Sonic, Tails and Knuckles' articles into a Team Sonic article. And lets delete personality, story aspects and SEGAs conception of them because they don't apply to the entire group and aren't apparent in every game ever made.(212.139.180.219 11:18, 11 April 2007 (UTC))
 * The bulk of it seems to be unsourced OR. The rest is either pointless or junk. There may be some things worth readding, but the majority of it is not. Nemu 17:03, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

The Gamma section of this article seems to have been expanded and cleaned up now, so hopefully this merge war can end. Apologies for having been so persistant about the Gamma article in the past, TTN, but we had our reasons. Even if Gamma wasn't that notable, it was impressive, and given the amount of critism given recently to the series, we just want to sing it out and make any positive addition noticable. The E-100s were proof something good could come out of the 3D games. They are personally what prevents me from supporting every Genesis purist and SatAm fan about the official series being "dead".(My apologies for droning on, I use this partially as an argument to "Sonic Team; does it give a **** about the west" found in the female character articles, I thought this might be the most appropriate article to discuss it due to the character.)

For that matter, it proves Sega of Japan can still pull something off. Gamma and SA was a SoJ creation. It was something as depthful as say SatAm, yet was still conventional to the original canon we are used to (not as in Sally Acorn and that roboticizer crap, I mean basic things such as animal powered badniks and the use of the name "Robotnik", which is probably how things should be). In fact anything western has given nothing but disgrace to poor Gamma. 4Kids' dubbing ruined Sonic X's adaption of the character, which was one of the few impressive elements of the show, while Archie cut almost all of his story, convinced a gold colored imitation of the character was more profitable. Fleetway and Sonic X comic have thus far completely ignored the E-series. The only good thing of E-102 from the west was the late Steve Broadie, who was one of few plausable VAs in the series. If SoA can create an incarnation of Gamma that surpasses SoJ's, or is even plausable, I will admit that the series is toast and that Sonic Team are fascist money grabbers.

Sorry for going off topic, I am aware this isn't a disscussion board. I thought I would just explain for my past abuse in a detailed manner. Just a thought but now we have details on the robot characters, do you think we should have an article on the organic batteries inside them (I think they are officially refered to as 'small animals'). They have been pivotal in certain elements of the series, such as Flicky (or it may already have an article) and Ricky (who has appeared in almost all other forms of media as Sally Acorn).80.47.255.77 11:41, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Nokia phones
I was expecting to find something talkinga bout Nokia phones here. Mathiastck 23:25, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

"E-Series" → "E-Series (Sonic the Hedgehog)"

As can be seen in the header of the article there are at least 3 other things that can be called "E-Series". So, I propose that this page be moved to "E-Series (Sonic the Hedgehog)" and use "E-Series" as a disambiguation page.

Feathered serpent 02:38, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Support dabbification. 70.55.84.224 04:33, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Support - I absolutely agree with this move. In fact when a google search is done not one of the first ten hits is about Sonic the Hedgehog E-Series. -- Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor  ( tαlk ) 23:19, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Support for reasons already listed above. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 01:13, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 15:00, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Gammas Heart?
You think it should be noted that Gamma could have been experiencing the Flicky that was inside of him feelings, the evidence I have for that is the fact that Gamma didn't accept to Amys plea until after the flicky went to him, plus the fact that in SonicX it looked straight at the bird and kept telling him to go, I think somehow the birds feelings somehow got through into Gamma.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 17:14, 11 December 2007 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer

E-series hieght
There all the exact same size (except E-101 mk II) when fighting them there all the same size, who is it who came up with these hieght differences.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 14:23, 27 December 2007 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer

Merge E-123 Omega into this article
There is no reason to have E-123 Omega in a seperate article, when he is a part of the e-series.  Doktor  Wilhelm   19:40, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Granted he is part of the E-Series but I don't think he should be merged he has been in more games and has interacted more with the characters, and has too much info to be a stub.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 19:48, 16 February 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer

 * I think it's also either a case of merge him into this article, or he's going to be removed in TTN's merger lust (Details Here), I'm not even sure if this article is safe in its self.  Doktor  Wilhelm   20:23, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

 * What do the Sega awards have to do with anything, and besides I've been watching the discussion after you said that TTN was up to his old tricks again and it doesn't seem like the merge is going through.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 20:29, 16 February 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer

 * Sorry pasted the wrong link (it should be fixed now), I think TTN and such like are going to continue trying to merge all the articles.  Doktor  Wilhelm   20:48, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

 * If the list thing goes through then we merge Omega in the mean time I'll protect the article, hopefully we'll have enough time who knows what tricks this TTN guys got up his sleeve, he's quite a busybody he's done over 8000 edits in the last 4 months.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 21:06, 16 February 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer

 * (sorry I keep indenting you comments, but it makes it easier to keep track of things) TTN has been rather sneaky, losing the argument for merger in so many diffrent ways, yet they just go to another hidden corner of wikipedia and try to build up backing there! I'm bored of arguing for the defence of the articles, as it's time I could be using better and I'm sure their 'work' will be undone in short time by half of wikipedia in the long run, but damage prevention is my main aim here, as TTN merges without warning, and prefers to remove content instead of actually merging.  Doktor  Wilhelm   11:57, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I still don't think he should be merged, he's popular enough in his own right to have an article.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 12:17, 18 February 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer

Not this again! For the love of Ra what is it with merging? Omega is the most reconisible of all the E-Series so he should be kept on a seperate page and not sharing one! Behellmorph (talk) 21:51, 17 Febuary 2008 (UTC)Behellmorph

 * Hey I don't want it merged either, (I've been focusing my edits on it lately) but I'm confident that TTN won't be allowed to merge those articles. (Especialy if I've got anything to say about it).Fairfieldfencer (talk) 09:27, 18 February 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer

 * "Omega is the most reconisible of all the E-Series." Actually I belive E-102 Gamma is more notable (being the first playable "badnik"), and Omega is just a muscled up clone (sort of like Danny DeVito and Arnold Schwarzenegger in the movie: Twins ), but that is besides the point, I believe that the E-Series has a place withing the fictional history of Sonic the Hedgehog, and will be easy to argue for inclussion on wikipedia, but I'm afraid that the merger of all fictional characters within the Sonic the Hedgehog universes will be going ahead (see the talk page I posted above), there are going to be only seven character pages (each covering that singular chracter in all media) and seven lists of characters (that TTN believes to be notable) for each media.  Doktor  Wilhelm   11:57, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Who said said this was contest who is the more well known bot around here!?! Last i checked there wasn't one! So Omega is one of the two but that is besides the point, plenty of charicters seem to have multiple links from, different lists and still have their own page and that still means that Omega should keep his page especially when others like Nega and the other new cast members still kept theres when some one had the stupid idea about merging nearly everypage Behellmorph (talk) 21:51, 17 Febuary 2008 (UTC)Behellmorph

That would be TTN and he's trying to do it again look at that internal link that Wilhelm left (Details here) for details.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 17:13, 18 February 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer

 * Update on the merger, the oly remaining Sonic fiction articles are going to be Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Doctor Eggman, Shadow, Metal Sonic, and Amy and seven lists: Video games, Archie Comics series, Sonic the Comic, Sonic X, SatAM cartoon, Sonic Underground, and Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, nothing about the fictional characters outside of these aricles will be kept! Also, "Nega and the other new cast members" don't have a list like the e-series, that they can be merged into! This is not about a popularity contest, it's about notablity and the defence of articles!  Doktor  Wilhelm   13:03, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

 * That is not what i meant, don't you understand that what i meant by 'Nega and the other new cast' is Silver and Blaze, they are varyly new and they have their own articles and i neve said that nega, Silver and Blaze "have a list like the e-series", what i meant is Omega being a e-series and one of eggmans robots which being two sepreate articles means omega has two links from seperate articles. oh and another thing i never said anything about popolarity and that was implied by what i said, what did you think that i thought it was one!? get your eyes testedBehellmorph (talk) 21:51, 17 Febuary 2008 (UTC)Behellmorph 14:30, 21 february 2008 (UTC)

 * the whole of the e-series are eggmans robots, so what's your point? You implied that I was suggesting the merge because of popolarity, I am not! A large scale merger of fictional characters is going a head on wikipedia, and all of the characters from soinc the hedgehog are a part of it! I personally can not defend the Omega article as it's not any more notable as a Character than Gamma, and Gamma is a part of the E-Series article! I may be able to defend the E-series article (if its refernces are improved, for notability), as I plan to do for the Enemy Robots article!  Doktor  Wilhelm   12:02, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I do feel as though Omega should be merged with the E-Series. I don't see why he should get his own article when he has only appeared in 3 games while someone like Big has appeared in over 8 games and is still going. I think that only major Sonic characters should get their own profiles. Inferno Sonic 21:45 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Most of those appearances are cameos I believe 3 major roles in three different games is enough for an article, and besides in the disscussion on Other characters about Big getting an article I've suggested that after Sonic Chronicles comes out we give Big an article. And Omega could be starring in Sonic Chronicles. (See other appearances in Omegas article for details).Fairfieldfencer (talk) 10:09, 26 February 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer

 * You got a good point there, i agree that if a charicter has appeared in three games with major roles they shoulld have their own pages. Omega has and Big will soon to, of course the picture showing omega was a bit confusing since he was completly black and looks slighty different but who knows. Hey Chaos has only appeared in three and two of those games was minor appearences yet he has got a page so why should Omega not have one or Big for that matter? Behellmorph (talk) 20:06, 26 Febuary 2008 (UTC)Behellmorph 20:20, 26 february 2008 (UTC)

 * Chaos is going to be removed, maybe to a list!  Doktor  Wilhelm   20:34, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Not if we stop the merge from going through.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 21:21, 26 February 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer

Your not seirously thinking about Merging Chaos's page, you can't do that Doc, who do you think you are TNN? Behellmorph (talk) 20:06, 26 Febuary 2008 (UTC)Behellmorph 20:20, 26 february 2008 (UTC)

He's not saying that's what he's going to do, he's saying that's what TTN is going to do if the merge goes through.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 21:50, 27 February 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer

The article has more references and has even gone to B-class on the assement scale making it more notable. Fair field fencer  F F F  15:28, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

PHI
I am changing it to chi (Χ) Because that is what he is. It even says that in the article. why does it keep getting reverted?74.39.228.1 (talk) 22:46, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

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Minimax Condorcet method

In voting systems, the Minimax Condorcet method is a single-winner ranked-choice voting method that always elects the majority (Condorcet) winner. Minimax compares all candidates against each other in a round-robin tournament, then ranks candidates by their worst election result (the result where they would receive the fewest votes). The candidate with the largest (maximum) number of votes in their worst (minimum) matchup is declared the winner.

Description of the method
The Minimax Condorcet method selects the candidate for whom the greatest pairwise score for another candidate against him or her is the least such score among all candidates.

Football analogy
Imagine politicians compete like football teams in a round-robin tournament, where every team plays against every other team once. In each matchup, a candidate's score is equal to the number of voters who support them over their opponent.

Minimax finds each team's (or candidate's) worst game – the one where they received the smallest number of points (votes). Each team's tournament score is equal to the number of points they got in their worst game. The first place in the tournament goes to the team with the best tournament score.

Formal definition
Formally, let $$\operatorname{score}(X,Y)$$ denote the pairwise score for $$X$$ against $$Y$$. Then the candidate, $$W$$ selected by minimax (aka the winner) is given by:
 * $$W = \arg \min_X \left( \max_Y \operatorname{score}(Y, X)\right)$$

Variants of the pairwise score
When it is permitted to rank candidates equally, or not rank all candidates, three interpretations of the rule are possible. When voters must rank all the candidates, all three variants are equivalent.

Let $$d(X, Y)$$ be the number of voters ranking X over Y. The variants define the score $$\operatorname{score}(X, Y)$$ for candidate X against Y as:
 * 1) The number of voters ranking X above Y, but only when this score exceeds the number of voters ranking Y above X. If not, then the score for X against Y is zero. This variant is sometimes called winning votes is the most commonly used and preferred by social choice theorists.
 * 2) *$$\operatorname{score}(X,Y) := \begin{cases} d(X, Y), & d(X, Y) > d(Y, X) \\ 0, & \text{else} \end{cases}$$
 * 3) The number of voters ranking X above Y minus the number of voters ranking Y above X. This variant is called margins, and is less used.
 * 4) *$$\operatorname{score}(X,Y) := d(X, Y) - d(Y, X)$$
 * 5) The number of voters ranking X above Y, regardless of whether more voters rank X above Y or vice versa. This variant is called pairwise opposition, and is also rarely used.
 * 6) *$$\operatorname{score}(X,Y) := d(X, Y)$$

When one of the first two variants is used, the method can be restated as: "Disregard the weakest pairwise defeat until one candidate is unbeaten." An "unbeaten" candidate possesses a maximum score against him which is zero or negative.

Satisfied and failed criteria
Minimax using winning votes or margins satisfies the Condorcet and the majority criterion, but not the Smith criterion, mutual majority criterion, or Condorcet loser criterion. When winning votes is used, minimax also satisfies the plurality criterion.

Minimax fails independence of irrelevant alternatives, independence of clones, local independence of irrelevant alternatives, and independence of Smith-dominated alternatives.

With the pairwise opposition variant (sometimes called MMPO), minimax only satisfies the majority-strength Condorcet criterion; a candidate with a relative majority over every other may not be elected. MMPO is a later-no-harm system and also satisfies sincere favorite criterion.

Nicolaus Tideman modified minimax to only drop edges that create Condorcet cycles, allowing his method to satisfy many of the above properties. Schulze's method similarly reduces to minimax when there are only three candidates.

Example with Condorcet winner
The results of the pairwise scores would be tabulated as follows:

 * [X] indicates voters who preferred the candidate listed in the column caption to the candidate listed in the row caption
 * [Y] indicates voters who preferred the candidate listed in the row caption to the candidate listed in the column caption

Result: In all three alternatives Nashville has the lowest value and is elected winner.

Example with Condorcet winner that is not elected winner (for pairwise opposition)
Assume three candidates A, B and C and voters with the following preferences:

The results would be tabulated as follows:

 * [X] indicates voters who preferred the candidate listed in the column caption to the candidate listed in the row caption
 * [Y] indicates voters who preferred the candidate listed in the row caption to the candidate listed in the column caption

Result: With the winning votes and margins alternatives, the Condorcet winner A is declared Minimax winner. However, using the pairwise opposition alternative, C is declared winner, since less voters strongly oppose him in his worst pairwise score against A than A is opposed by in his worst pairwise score against B.

Example without Condorcet winner
Assume four candidates A, B, C and D. Voters are allowed to not consider some candidates (denoting an n/a in the table), so that their ballots are not taken into account for pairwise scores of that candidates.

The results would be tabulated as follows:

 * [X] indicates voters who preferred the candidate listed in the column caption to the candidate listed in the row caption
 * [Y] indicates voters who preferred the candidate listed in the row caption to the candidate listed in the column caption

Result: Each of the three alternatives gives another winner:
 * the winning votes alternative chooses A as winner, since it has the lowest value of 35 votes for the winner in his biggest defeat;
 * the margin alternative chooses B as winner, since it has the lowest difference of votes in his biggest defeat;
 * and pairwise opposition chooses the Condorcet loser D as winner, since it has the lowest votes of the biggest opponent in all pairwise scores.

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Misery Signals

Misery Signals is an American-Canadian metalcore band formed in Wisconsin in 2002.

Formation (2002–2003)
Misery Signals was formed after the disbanding of several bands, including 7 Angels 7 Plagues, Hamartia, and Compromise. Having played briefly with 7 Angels 7 Plagues, former Compromise vocalist, Jesse Zaraska, was approached by Ryan Morgan and Kyle Johnson for a new project which would become Misery Signals. Jeff Aust from Hamartia joined on as second guitar and Ryan Morgan's brother Branden joined as the band's drummer. Aust soon left the band and has since gone on to join With Honor. He was replaced by Stu Ross, a friend of Jesse Zaraska's from St. Albert, Alberta.

In 2003 the band released its eponymous debut EP. The EP was dedicated to the memory of Jordan Wodehouse and Daniel Langlois, who were killed by a drunk driver on Interstate 20 near Heflin, Alabama while on tour with their band Compromise in support of 7 Angels 7 Plagues.

Ferret Music (2004–2009)
The band eventually signed to New Jersey's Ferret Music, releasing their first full-length album, Of Malice and the Magnum Heart. After extensive touring resulting in friction between Zaraska and band members, Zaraska was asked to leave. The band began auditioning vocalists via Myspace, announcing Karl Schubach as Zaraska's replacement with whom they recorded the album, Mirrors.

In July 2008, Misery Signals released their third full-length entitled Controller. After extensive touring in support of Controller in early 2009, members of Misery Signals wanted to pursue other musical directions outside of their band.

Side Projects (2009–2010)
Schubach is involved in a heavy metal side project called Solace. He is the sole member of the band, recording guitar, bass and vocals in a D.I.Y.-fashioned home studio. The drums are added in digitally, through the use of a program on his Macbook. During the funding stages of this side project he provided incentives to individuals and bands in return for financial support using crowd funding platform Kickstarter. As part of this incentive scheme Karl Schubach provided guest vocals on a song by UK metal/hardcore band The Divided.

Hardcore/punk band Burning Empires consists of members from Misery Signals, Fall Out Boy and 7 Angels 7 Plagues, with vocalist Ryan Morgan, bassist Kyle Johnson, guitarists Stu Ross and Matthew Mixon, and drummer Andy Hurley. The quintet also owns a clothing line / record label called Fuck City.

Milwaukee-based punk/post-hardcore band Lowtalker consists of Branden Morgan and Stuart Ross of Misery Signals. They team up with Casey Hjelmberg and Matt Keil of Comeback Kid to complete the four-piece project. Lowtalker released their EP People Worry About Everything in the spring of 2010 through FC records.

In 2010, Stuart Ross became the frontman of a Vancouver, B.C. pop-punk band Living with Lions. Ross officially left Misery Signals on September 25, 2010, to put his focus on Living with Lions, and was reportedly tired of performing heavy metal. In October 2010, Kyle Johnson also announced his departure from the band.

Absent Light (2011-2015)
After an extended period of inactivity with a heavy focus on side projects, Misery Signals made an official statement about the state of the band in November 2010. The press release addressed the loss of Ross and Johnson, and also announced that the band had not, in fact, broken up. Ryan Morgan commented that, "In the next few months, we'll group back up and return." On maintaining the continuity of the band's style and keeping the same name, Morgan said, "Stu and Kyle made awesome contributions, but the trajectory of the band remains the same in their absence. If the time came that our sound took a drastically different course, then it wouldn't be Misery Signals anymore, and we wouldn't pretend that it was."

The first new release from Misery Signals after going through this major line up change was a cover of Pink Floyd's song "Us and Them" from the 1973 album The Dark Side of the Moon. The song was contributed to a soundtrack for the video game Homefront, which was released free of charge for digital download on March 22, 2011.

In April 2011, Karl Schubach posted a couple tweets mentioning band practice, writing new material in June, and said "We're focusing on bringing the new guys up to speed at the moment." The new lineup was finalized and appeared on the Crush Em All tour fall 2011. In early 2012 the band stated that they were working on new material for the new album. Lead singer Karl Schubach stated in an interview "I think every band aims to progress with each album they write. But sometimes progression is learning what worked really well the previous records and incorporating those elements. So far these new songs feel like a purposeful blend of our most recent, more structured Controller record mixed with the chaos and spontaneity of the earlier Of Malice and the Magnum Heart." All of the members reunited in the studio the recording the new album, and started an Indiegogo fundraiser to help pay for the recording, marketing, and pressing of the new album, as the band is currently signed to Basick Records.

On July 23, 2013, Misery Signals released Absent Light, with the first single "Luminary" being released twenty days earlier.

On May 30, 2014, news surfaced that Misery Signals announced plans to commemorate the tenth anniversary of their 'Of Malice and the Magnum Heart' album with the "Malice X Tour" later that year. The tour featured the band's original lineup, which consisted of Jesse Zaraska (vocals), Ryan Morgan (lead guitar), Stu Ross (rhythm guitar), Kyle Johnson (bass), and Branden Morgan (drums), and Misery Signals performed the album in its entirety.

Ultraviolet (2016–present)
On October 19, 2016, rumours of an original lineup reunion tour and album were confirmed by vocalist Jesse Zaraska. When reached for comment by Nic Huber of www.metalinjection.net, Zaraska had the following to say: "It is the truth, sir. We are in the midst of writing new material together and will be playing some show over the coming year. It has been very cool thus far. We will definitely be doing a proper US tour in 2017."

On March 24, 2018, at the event Midwest Meltdown in Iowa City, Iowa; Misery Signals frontman Jesse Zaraska, announced the band had been holed up in Boise, Idaho over the previous few weeks. He stated that they are, indeed, working on a new album. Zaraska stated on stage, that he believes their newest album "will be the BEST Misery Signals album yet." When asked about the style of the new album, Zaraska replied "It will probably be a lot like Of Malice."

On the "Death to False Metalcore Tour 2019" with Darkest Hour and Unearth, the band played a song titled "Sunlifter" from their Absent Light B-Side vinyl release. Zaraska also stated November 2019 as the release date for their new album.

On May 14, 2020, Misery Signals announced their upcoming fifth studio album, Ultraviolet, to be released on August 7, 2020, along with the release of the single “The Tempest”

To commemorate its 20th anniversary, Misery Signals' 2003 self-titled debut EP was re-released in 2023, for the first time ever on vinyl.

On April 2, 2024, Misery Signals announced they would be breaking up in late-2024 and embarking on one final tour with both current vocalist Jesse Zaraska and former vocalist Karl Schubach performing with the band.

Members

 * Current
 * Ryan Morgan – lead guitar, backing vocals (2002–present)
 * Branden Morgan – drums (2002–present) (Lightyrs)
 * Jesse Zaraska – vocals (2002–2006, 2014–present)
 * Stu Ross – rhythm guitar, backing vocals (2002–2010, 2014–present) (Comeback Kid)
 * Kyle Johnson – bass guitar (2002–2010, 2013–present)

 * Former
 * Karl Schubach – vocals (2006–2014, 2024) (Solace)
 * Jeff Aust – guitar (2002)
 * Gregory Thomas – rhythm guitar, backing vocals (2011–2014) (End)
 * Kent Wren – bass guitar (2011–2013)

Discography

 * Studio albums
 * Of Malice and the Magnum Heart (2004)
 * Mirrors (2006)
 * Controller (2008)
 * Absent Light (2013)
 * Ultraviolet (2020)

 * EPs
 * Misery Signals (2003)
 * Sunlifter b/w Like Yesterday (2016)

 * DVDs
 * Yesterday Was Everything (2016)

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Anna Maria Lenngren

Anna Maria Lenngren, née Malmstedt (18 June 1754 – 8 March 1817) was one of the most famous poets in Swedish history. Her father and brother were also poets.

One of her best-known poems is Några ord till min kära dotter, ifall jag hade någon ("Advice to my dear daughter, if I had one"). She also wrote on Sweden's class system in the satirical poems against snobbery Hans nåds morgonsömn ("His Grace's morning snooze") and Grevinnans besök ("The Countess's visit").

Early life
Anna Maria Lenngren was born in Uppsala as the daughter of the poet Magnus Brynolf Malmstedt (1724–1798), a professor in Latin at Uppsala University, and Märta Johanna Florin (d. 1788). Her father was a member of the Moravian Church and was known for his social work; from 1772, he hosted a school for poor children in his home. Both her parents published hymns, and her brother Johan Magnus (1749–80) wrote secular poems.

Anna Maria Lenngren became set against religion and in favor of the realism of the Age of Enlightenment through dislike of her father's passionate religious feelings; but her humanism and passion for social justice have also been attributed to her father's influence. In her social views, she felt sympathy for the working classes, opposed the privileges of the nobility and acted as a spokesperson for the "third estate", idealizing a simple and humble life style.

Her father observed her talent early on, and stated that he wished to "make of her not only a literary, but a learned woman". He gave her an advanced education, and she was tutored at home in Latin and the Classics of antiquity. Her favorite poet was Horace.

Early career
She began her career in poetry with reviews, epitomes, epigrams and translations in the 1770s. Among her earliest works were interpretations of Horace, published anonymously in the press. In 1772, she published her first poem under her own name, the funeral poem På mademoiselle Anna Lovisa Pahls saliga hemfärds dag, den 14 Maji 1772, die Corona. In 1774–77, she frequently wrote for Anna Hammar-Rosén's paper ''Hwad Nytt?? Hwad Nytt??''.

In 1776 she was commissioned by Duke Charles, the King of Sweden's brother, for a translation of the French operetta Lucile, the first French operetta translated into Swedish. In its introduction, she defended women's right to intellectual work. It was a success: Lenngren was awarded a golden clock as a token of appreciation by the royal Duchess Charlotte, and was given several similar translation commissions by the royal house.

Lenngren enjoyed great success: already in 1774, she was inducted into a literary society in Uppsala, earned good reviews and poetic tributes in the press, became known as a defender of intellectual women, and referred to herself as a "litterata". She became a member of the Royal Society of Sciences and Letters in Gothenburg in 1775, and of the Utile Dulci in 1779. She was one of only three women members of the Utile Dulci, the others being Anna Charlotta von Stapelmohr and Anna Brita Wendelius. In 1777, she repeated her demand in favor of women's right to intellectual pursuits in Thé-conseillen.

Married life
In 1780, she married the official Carl Peter Lenngren (1750–1827). He was the chief editor of Stockholms-Posten, which the famous poet and critic Johan Henric Kellgren and he published. Kellgren worked with Lenngren on several assignments from 1778 onwards, reportedly providing her with inspiration, and sharing an interest in the ideas of Voltaire. She published poems and prose in Stockholms-Posten from 1778 onwards, but after her wedding, she only published anonymously, stopping altogether by the end of the 1780s.

Her marriage caused a great change in her life. After her wedding, she officially stopped being active in the literary world, publishing under pseudonyms, renouncing her previous stand in favor of women's intellectual and literary emancipation, and arguing that women should avoid literary pursuits in favor of developing their character as suitable wives and mothers. Whether she was honest in this change of opinion, or was using irony to make a point, has been the subject of debate. Lenngren came to admire Rousseau, and may have come to support his ideas of the role of women in the 1780s, views further supported by the religious values of simplicity and humility in her childhood home. Ingrid Arvidsson argued that Lenngren had a deeply ambivalent view on the subject, affected by her personality: "The fact that Mrs L was hurt by criticism is evident in several of her poems, but she did also have the more unusual sensitivity of being hurt by admiration".

After her marriage, she hosted a literary salon, which became a center of cultural debate frequented by Gustaf af Leopold, Nils von Rosenstein, Frans Michael Franzén and Gudmund Jöran Adlerbeth. During these years she is described as witty and intelligent but humble and modest.

Her spouse was described as "principally known as useful and boring", but the marriage was a happy one, and she used to take him to the Utile Dulci Academy and sing with him. She had no children, but adopted a daughter. In 1797 the daughter was placed in a mental asylum, but died soon after her admission, an event which affected Lenngren deeply, as did the death of her father, who drowned under suspicious circumstances in 1798.

In 1790, another great change occurred when Johan Henric Kellgren discontinued his literary production because of an illness. This damaged the paper of her spouse and Anna Maria Lenngren resumed her contributions in Stockholms-Posten for financial reasons. However, she insisted on staying anonymous and refused to officially resume her career, although unofficially her pseudonyms were known and she was known as the writer of the work which she published during these years, though she insisted on remaining officially anonymous.

Her salon at Beridarebansgatan was the center of the Royal Swedish Academy, and though she was never a formal member, they called her their "invisible member". On 20 December 1797 the Royal Swedish Academy celebrated her with the Ode till fru Lenngren ("Ode to Mrs Lenngren"), read by Gustaf Fredrik Gyllenborg. She declined their admiration with the poem Dröm ("Dream"), in which she described how the poet Hedvig Charlotta Nordenflycht had appeared to her and deemed her unworthy. However, she signed Dröm with her own name, the first that she had written under her own name since her marriage, and her last.

Lenngren died of breast cancer aged 62, and was buried in Stockholm's Klara kyrka cemetery.

Literary career
Anna Maria Lenngren debuted as a writer of poems for funerals and weddings, and her earliest work has a tone of the ecstatic passion common in the religious circles of her father. This was however quickly replaced by a more sober tone in line with the scientific sense and realism of the Age of Enlightenment.

As a writer, Lenngren frequently used satire, sarcasm, and irony, and she often made parodied the genre of pastoral, opera and ballad. Her verse was often short, portraying everyday life, almost always in a city environment, and she criticized artificiality and lack of genuine value behind the facade. Ideologically, she was inspired by her personal friend and colleague Johan Henric Kellgren, with whom she often worked from 1778 onward. Fredrik Böök says that "there was every word needed and no more, almost no adjectives. She painted with only verbs and substantives", and Snoilsky writes in his poem En afton hos fru Lenngren ("An evening at Mrs Lenngren's"): "It's like a burdock, this witty meter".

Her successful early career during the 1770s was influenced by her feminist ideas, foremost her defense of women's right to participate and engage in intellectual work. This is most evident in the forewords of her translation of Lucile (1776) and her poem Thé-conseillen (1777).

Her radical change in views on the role of women, which took place in her work after her marriage in 1780, has been the subject of much debate. In her poem Några ord till min kära dotter, ifall jag hade någon ("Advice to my dear daughter, if I had one") and 'råden till Betti', she advice women to renounce intellectual aspirations and focus on shaping their character morally to that on an ideal wife and mother. She advice women to concentrate on domestic tasks rather than attempt to meddle in intellectual or political pursuits, because "Our household is our Republic; our politics is our appearance". She herself officially discontinued her career after her marriage by only publishing her works under anonymous pseudonyms and refusing to admit to them. However, Anna Maria Lenngren is famed for her great love for irony, which has created uncertainty about whether she meant what she said literary or if she wished to prove her point by irony. Her poem Dröm, which was given as a response to the admiration from the Academy in 1797, and in which she describe herself as unworthy, has also been interpreted as ironic in this regard.

Anna Maria Lenngren was a supporter of the realistic and scientific views of the age on enlightenment and disliked religion, sometimes interpreted as a protest against the religious environment of her childhood home. She had radical views on Sweden's class system, opposed the privileges of the nobility, and defended the rights of the "third estate" or working class against oppression. She criticized the snobbery of the nobility, the humble admiration their servants gave them and the anxious bowing of the working class, and portrayed the male members of the upper class as cold and merciless and the female members as snobby and ridiculous. A realist, she idealized "the third class", was inspired by the French Revolution. Above all, she fought for the intellectual freedom of women; that also women should be allowed to have opinions, and criticized male double standards.

Her best-known poems on the class system are Hans nåds morgonsömn ("Morning prayer of His Grace") and Grevinnans besök ("Visit from the Countess"), in which she satirizes snobbery, and Pojkarne ("Boys"), in which she laments the fact that children of all classes can play with each other during their childhood, but that this solidarity and friendship is destroyed when they became adults, along with the popular Det blev ingen julgröt men ändå en glad julafton ("There was no oatmeal but still a happy Christmas"), in which she describes the effects of poverty.

Legacy

Anna Maria Lenngren is one of the most famous poets in the history of Sweden. Her production has made her one of the few 18th-century Swedish poets who are still commonly read, and she has been published a number of times after her death during the 19th, 20th and 21st centuries.

In accordance with her instructions, her collected poems were published after her death by her widower under the name Skaldeförsök ("Attempts at Poetry"). After its publication, the Royal Swedish Academy had a memorial medal made with the inscription: "The less she sought fame, the more she gained it".

Her correspondence with her personal friend Gustaf af Leopold from 1795 to 1798 has been published.

In fiction
Anna Maria Lenngren is portrayed in the novel Pottungen ("Chamber-pot child") by Anna Laestadius Larsson from 2014, where she, alongside Ulrika Pasch, Ulrika Widström, Jeanna von Lantingshausen, Marianne Ehrenström and Sophie von Fersen, becomes a member in a Blue Stockings Society organized by the Queen of Sweden and Norway, Hedvig Elisabeth Charlotte of Holstein-Gottorp.

Works

 * Poems:
 * På mademoiselle Anna Lovisa Pahls saliga hemfärds dag, den 14 Maji 1772, die Corona, Upsala, 1772
 * Tankar vid det nya kyrko årets början 1772, Upsala veckotidningar, 1772, Upsala
 * Klagan vid mademoiselle Anna Maria Bobergs graf den 3 Julii 1774, Upsala, 1774
 * Afton-qväde, Upsala vecko-tidning, 1774
 * Vid caffe-pannan
 * Vid archi-biskopens . . . Magni Beronii graf, den 13 Ju-lii, 1775, Uppsala, 1775
 * Herrans fruktan, grunden till then bästa vishet, . . . förklarad vid . . . Magni O. Beronii . . . begrafning . . ., Uppsala, 1778
 * Impromptu, Lunds vecko-blad, 1775
 * Thé-conseillen, Stockholm, 1777
 * Öfver hans Kongl. höghets kronprinsens födelse den 1 November 1778, 1778
 * Dröm, 1798
 * Skaldeförsök, 1819
 * Porträtterna (The Portraits)
 * Grefvinnans besök (Visit from the Countess)
 * Fröken Juliana (Miss Juliana)
 * Hans nåds morgonsömn (His Grace's morning snooze)
 * Pojkarne (The Boys)
 * Den glada festen (The happy party)
 * Några ord till min kära dotter, ifall jag hade någon (Advice to my dear daughter, if I had one) 1794
 * Andra tyger, andra seder! (Other fabrics, Other customs!)

 * Prose:
 * Contributions in Hwad Nytt?? Hwad Nytt??, 1774–1777
 * Contributions in Stockholms Posten, 1778–1803, 1809–1810, 1814–1816
 * Contributions in Musikaliskt tidsfördrif, 1789–1791, 1793, 1796–1797, 1801, 1816
 * Contributions in Sommarpromenaden, 1792, 1794–1797, 1801
 * Contributions in Skaldestycken satta i musik, 1795, 1796, 1798, 1800, 1803, 1816

 * Translations:
 * J F Marmontel: Lucile operetta, 1776
 * Zemire och Azor, Comedie ballet, 1778
 * Publius Ovi-dius Naso, Dido til Eneas, Heroide, 1778
 * C-S Favart: Arsene, comedie, 1779
 * O Wolff: Snart döden skall det öga sluta, 1819

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Targa New Zealand

The Targa New Zealand is a tarmac rally held annually on public roads typically throughout the North Island of New Zealand. The main Targa each year begins in the last week of October and is a week-long event which covers around 1500 km of touring and 750 km of closed special stages. Smaller one- or two-day events are usually run during the year and have been variously titled Targa Bambina, Targa Dash, Targa Rotorua, Targa Tauranga and Targa Hawkes Bay. In 2014 Targa New Zealand for the first time was held in the South Island of New Zealand. Starting in Christchurch and finishing in Cromwell (Near Queenstown) the rally included every South Island race track including New Zealand's latest - Highlands Motorsport Park. Noticeable stages included Queenstown's Crown Range which is understood to be one of New Zealand's highest altitude public roads.

Originally intended as an event for owners of classic performance cars to display and race their vehicles, it has evolved into a serious competition event with modern purpose built race cars usually taking top honours.

The race started in 1995 and continually growing in popularity with over 200 cars entering the 2005 Dunlop sponsored Targa rally.

Racing is divided into classes to give everyone a chance of honours of some sort. These classes are based around age and engine size of the vehicles. Younger drivers are encouraged to compete in a controlled manner in a safe environment. Crashes happen but it is a very low percentage. Race cars need to have roll cages and safety gear except the Targa tour for first-time competitors. They drive under the guidance of the tour leader. Local groups providing hospitality areas, fundraising activities such as car washes, barbecues and 4000 lunches.

Classes for Early Targa Events
 * Historic
 * Pre-classic
 * Classic
 * Post classic
 * Metalman super classics
 * Metalman all-comers
 * Early modern
 * Honda riders contemporary
 * Super GT

Classes for Current Targa Events

Classic 2WD Production (GT2) 2WD Production (GT4) 4WD Allcomers (Extreme) 2WD and 4WD
 * Category 1 0 – 2000cc Aftermarket sequential gearboxes are prohibited
 * Category 2 2001 – 3400cc Aftermarket sequential gearboxes are prohibited
 * Category 3 3401cc and over Aftermarket sequential gearboxes are prohibited
 * Category 4 0 – 2000cc Aftermarket sequential gearboxes are prohibited
 * Category 5 2001 – 3400cc Aftermarket sequential gearboxes are prohibited
 * Category 6 3401cc and over Aftermarket sequential gearboxes are prohibited
 * Category 8 Pre 2000 1st year of production prior to 1 January 2000. Aftermarket sequential gearboxes are prohibited
 * Category 9 Post 2000 1st year of production after to 1 January 2000. Aftermarket sequential gearboxes are prohibited
 * Category 7 Open 2WD All 2 wheel drive vehicles not eligible for Categories 1–6.
 * Category 10 Open 4WD All 4 wheel drive vehicles not eligible for Categories 8-9.

Well known Targa entrants

 * Jim Richards
 * Tony Quinn
 * Chris Amon
 * Murray Walker
 * Peter Brock
 * Grant Dalton
 * Steve Millen

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User talk:Mylesroberts

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London Suite (play)

London Suite is a play by Neil Simon, consisting of four one-act plays. London Suite also was a 1996 television movie. It is in a similar style to Simon's earlier works Plaza Suite and California Suite.

Productions
London Suite premiered at the Seattle Repertory Theatre, running from October 12, 1994 through November 5. Directed by Daniel Sullivan, the cast featured Jeffrey Jones, Carole Shelley, Amy Ryan, Paxton Whitehead, Barbara Dirickson, Sean G. Griffin and Rex McDowell. The plays are "Going Home", "Settling Accounts", "Diana and Sidney" (which involve two characters from California Suite), and "The Man on the Floor". London Suite opened Off-Broadway at the Union Square Theatre on March 28, 1995 and closed on September 3, 1995 after 169 performances. Directed by Daniel Sullivan, the cast featured Carole Shelley (Mrs. Semple, Diana and Mrs. Sitgood), Paxton Whitehead (Billy, Sidney and Dr. McMerlin), Kate Burton (Lauren, Grace and Annie), Jeffrey Jones (Brian and Mark) and Brooks Ashmanskas (Bellman). The production was nominated for the Outer Critics Circle Awardas Outstanding Off-Broadway Play.

Plot
The action takes place in a London hotel overlooking Hyde Park in a series of four plays:

Brian Cronin and Billy Fox. Brian is a successful Welsh novelist; Billy is his manager, whom Brian has caught in the process of running off with all his money. In the film, this pair was changed to Debra and Paul Dolby, a newlywed couple from New York City who are on their honeymoon. Paul has disappeared after the couple had an argument on the plane, and now Debra is caught in a chain of increasingly ridiculous lies when she runs into his relatives at the hotel who are holding a welcoming party for the two of them.
 * Settling Accounts

Sharon and Lauren Semple. A mother and daughter on a shopping trip. Lauren convinces her mother to go on a date with an elderly man they had just met, even though Sharon is heavily against it. While at dinner with the man, she is puzzled by his rather eccentric mannerisms.
 * Going Home

Sidney and Diana Nichols. A divorced couple: she is an actress, and he is living with his male lover. Now he claims he needs money from her to help pay the medical bills for his partner who is dying from lung cancer. The pair are based on characters from California Suite, played in the 1978 film by Michael Caine and Maggie Smith.
 * Diana and Sidney

Mark and Anne Ferris. An American couple who are in London to see the Wimbledon Championships. Their plans are put on hold, however, when Anne loses the tickets, Mark's back gives out, leaving him immobile and in pain on the hotel floor, and they are asked to move because they have accidentally been given Kevin Costner's suite.
 * The Man on the Floor

With the exception of Sidney and Diana's storyline (and Brian and Billy's in the play), the plots are largely comedic.

Film
The film, a Hallmark Entertainment production, was televised on September 15, 1996. The film was directed by Jay Sandrich with the screenplay by Simon, and starred:

 * Kelsey Grammer - Sidney Nichols
 * Patricia Clarkson - Diana Nichols
 * Julia Louis-Dreyfus - Debra Dolby
 * Jonathan Silverman - Paul Dolby
 * Madeline Kahn - Sharon Semple
 * Margot Steinberg - Lauren Semple
 * Michael Richards - Mark Ferris
 * Julie Hagerty - Anne Ferris
 * Richard Mulligan - Dennis Cummings, Sharon's date.
 * Kristen Johnston - Grace Chapman, Diana's assistant.
 * Jane Carr - Mrs. Sitgood, the concierge.
 * Paxton Whitehead - Dr. McMerlin, the back doctor ("a magician with backs!")
 * William Franklyn - Widely, the hotel supervisor

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The result of the debate was delete. Dmcdevit·t 05:39, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

Trevor Slocum
Vanity -- BMIComp (talk) 00:05, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. Teen vanity, too. Gwk 00:09, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Kairos 00:10, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete but userfy. The author appears to be new user User:Tj1991. - Lucky 6.9 00:48, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete/Userfy nn teen vanity. --Etacar11 01:22, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment'. Link from VfD page appears to be bad.  Dcarrano 01:26, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * Userfy. Dcarrano 01:26, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * Userfy if at all possible; otherwise delete. -- BD2412 talk 02:30, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete non notable teen vanity. JamesBurns 04:00, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
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Talk:2005 Cheadle by-election

%change for parties not previously standing
Any election information site will tell you that swing is the change in vote share between the top two parties in an election, be it Lab/Con, Lab/LD or Con/LD; or for that matter Plaid/LD or SNP/Con. Cheadle is not, and never has been, a safe Labour seat, so the concept of calculating swing between the Conservative and Labour votes in a seat like this is pointless. The seat has been won and fought between the Liberal Democrats and Conservatives, as such the discussion on swing must focus on the parties which feature in the genuine and valid fight for the seat, not including any third placed party, be they Labour or anyone else.

Swing is not just for the main two; were it so, the calculations of by-elections in Northern Ireland would be meaningless, as would seats in the increasing number of Con/LD marginals. dok 15:44, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

I added the %change for the candidates from the two minor parties, which was abruptly reverted by User:Dbiv, the %change for those parties should be recorded, because, although they didn't stand at the last election, all loses/gains should be accounted for, they gained 0.2 and 0.6 % more votes than they did at the last election (because they didn't stand). If you look at news.bbc.co.uk/vote2005 you'll see the BBC also does the same -- Joolz 00:05, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

 * But if you look at all the other parliamentary constituency pages on Wikipedia, you'll see that they all uise N/A for the change when the candidate hasn't previously stood. Maltaran 07:56, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

 * They don't all use N/A. -- Joolz 14:00, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Rollback is absolutely no different to editing an old version and saving it. I did explain the edits in comments I put in immediately after. Quite frankly I've dealt with too many people who put misleading statistics for 'gain' and 'loss' for parties who did not stand before to be interested in explaining the whole thing in detail yet again. David | Talk 08:15, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * According to WP:RV: "Its intent is solely to be a timesaving shortcut for reverting mass vandalism" -- Joolz 14:00, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Note the word "intent". Intent does not mean practice. I intended to go swimming but actually I went ice-skating, etc. If it was not allowed then policy would say it was not allowed. Policy does not say it is not allowed and therefore it is allowed, QED. David | Talk 15:34, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Incidentally I notice a bogus 'Conservative to Liberal Democrat swing' has been inserted. I've switched it to the Conservative/Labour swing. David | Talk 08:45, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Swing is always given as between the top two parties, even if they both increase their share of the vote. Maltaran 09:29, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

 * Oh no it isn't. David | Talk 09:33, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

 * It's the way I've always seen it, and it's consistent with how we did the general election results here. Maltaran 12:49, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

 * Swing is between Conservative and Labour. Anything else is slish. David | Talk 13:18, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * From the BBC's story: "The swing was 0.63% from Conservatives to Liberal Democrats." -- Joolz 14:00, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't give a stuff what the BBC say. Quite a few BBC people were even claiming that South Staffordshire was a byelection, so I really wouldn't rely on them. David | Talk 14:34, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * So what are you saying? The swing isn't 0.63% from Con to Libdem? -- Joolz 15:01, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * That is precisely what I am saying. There is no 'swing from Con to Lib Dem'. No such concept. David | Talk 15:12, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * What do you mean, there's no such concept? You're going to have to do a little better at explaining your position, I simply don't understand it. -- Joolz 15:20, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't know if it's possible to explain more thoroughly what 'The concept does not exist' means. There is no such thing. It is a nullity, an impossiblity. It is like giving a measurement of how loud an inaudible noise is. Swing is between Conservative and Labour. David | Talk 15:34, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Clearly not everyone agrees with you, the BBC and the Times both show swings from Con to Libdem (see for The Times example). -- Joolz 15:46, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't give a stuff what the BBC or the Times say. They aren't specialists in reporting and analysing elections. David | Talk 15:50, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Presumably the writers of those articles on the BBC and the Times are more 'specialist' on the matter than you are.

 * Could you perhaps explain why the concept does not exist? The percentage gap between the Lib Dem and Tory share of the vote is larger than it was at the previous election, so why is this not a swing? Maltaran 16:28, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

 * If the difference between the Lib Dems and the Monster Raving Loony Party grows narrower between two elections, would you call that a swing also? Swing is between Conservative and Labour. David | Talk 22:38, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Your comparison to the Monster Raving Looney Party is nonsense. The 'swing' should apply to the two biggest parties in the constituency, not in the country.

Swing again
I have reverted the swing to the Conservative to Lib Dem swing. This is a clear consensus from everybody apart from Dbiv. We should follow the common usage. The Land 13:18, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

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Noam Gonick

Noam Gonick, (born March 20, 1973) is a Canadian filmmaker and artist. His films include Hey, Happy!, Stryker, Guy Maddin: Waiting for Twilight and To Russia with Love. His work deals with homosexuality, social exclusion, dystopia and utopia.

Background
Gonick was born in Winnipeg, Manitoba in 1970. His father, Cy Gonick, is an economist and former member of the Manitoba Legislature. Gonick graduated from Ryerson University in Toronto. He edited Ride, Queer, Ride (1997) a collection of writings on and by filmmaker Bruce LaBruce. In 2007, he was made the youngest inductee to the Royal Canadian Academy of Arts.

He has been on the board at the Plug-In Institute of the Contemporary Arts.

Film and television
Gonick's first film was the 1997 short 1919, a historically revisionist depiction of the Winnipeg General Strike from the window of a gay Oriental bathhouse. His next film was the documentary Guy Maddin: Waiting for Twilight, narrated by Tom Waits and featuring Shelley Duvall. The film captures Maddin as he begins production on Twilight of the Ice Nymphs (1997). In 1999, Gonick created the experimental short Tinkertown.

In 2001 Gonick released his first feature film, Hey, Happy!. The film premiered at the 2001 Sundance Film Festival, and had its Canadian premiere at the Inside Out Film and Video Festival, where it won the award for Best Canadian Film. In its subsequent Canadian theatrical release, it was screened with Guy Maddin's short film The Heart of the World.

In the early 2000s, Gonick directed a number of episodes of Canadian documentary television series KinK, before releasing his second feature film Stryker in 2004.

In 2007, Gonick wrote and directed Retail, a comedy TV pilot, followed by Hirsch (2010), on John Hirsch, and What If? (2011), on Leslee Silverman, artistic director of Manitoba Theatre for Young People.

In 2012 he won the Winnipeg Film Group's Manitoba Film Hothouse Award.

Gonick directed the documentary To Russia with Love, featuring LGBT athletes in the 2014 Winter Olympics. The film was nominated for a GLAAD Media Award for Outstanding Documentary at the 26th GLAAD Media Awards,

In 2016 he was one of the directors of the documentary series Taken for Aboriginal People's Television Network, about murdered and missing Indigenous women.

Installation
Gonick's installation art began in 2005 with a collaboration with Rebecca Belmore at the Venice Biennale.

Wildflowers of Manitoba (2007) is a performance piece and film installation created with Luis Jacob. A geodesic dome is furnished as a teenaged bedroom, and includes images of homoeroticism. It premiered at the Berlin International Film Festival, and has been exhibited worldwide.

Precious Blood (2007), commissioned by the Ontario College of Art and Design, was a video of interviews with girlfriends and friends of inmates on the façade a scale model of the Provincial Remand Centre in Winnipeg.

Commerce Court (2008) is a satire on corruption in the financial industry. Projected originally onto a six-story building in Commerce Court, the world headquarters of the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce, it features a performance by Roman Danylo as a banker having a nervous breakdown. The installation premiered at Toronto's Nuit Blanche.

No Safe Words (2009) is a multi-channel video installation uses sports broadcasts to examine athletic stadiums as sites of violence. The piece, broadcast originally during Toronto's 2008 Pride March, has also been interpreted as a commentary on the deradicalization of the gay pride movement.

Gonick and Bernie Miller collaborated on Bloody Saturday, a public monument in Winnipeg commemorating the 1919 general strike which was unveiled in 2019. Bapiiwin, a design by Gonick and Belmore for the planned LGBTQ2+ National Monument in Ottawa, was named as one of the five finalists in the design competition in November 2021, although it was not ultimately selected as the final winner.

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User:Raskolnikov The Penguin

Raskolnikov The Penguin has gone on a permanent vacation and his alter ego, uber nemo, will now be taking over. This is due largely in part to RTP's frustration in having to write out such a long name whenever he signs in. If anyone knows how to delete a user account, please tell uber nemo...........They're the same person, for all you genuises out there.

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Cowboy Hill

Cowboy Hill is an Oklahoma Historic Site located on a bluff overlooking the Salt Fork of the Arkansas river in Kay County, Oklahoma. Zack Miller, owner of the famed 101 Ranch, gave the land to the Cherokee Strip Cowpunchers Association in 1930 for use as long as they needed it. In 1959, Zack Miller deeded Cowboy Hill to the Oklahoma Historical Society. Zack Miller and Jack Webb, one of the famous trick-shooters with the 101 Ranch Wild West Show, are buried in the Cowboy Hill Cemetery located on the site.

The Cherokee Strip Cowpunchers Association, organized in 1920, was open to those who had worked as cowboys on the ranches in the Cherokee Strip before 1893, the year the Strip was open for settlement. The association numbered about 400 members near the beginning. The wives of the members were eligible to join the Ladies Auxiliary. Joe Miller was elected perpetual president in 1921. The association's official publication, the 101 Magazine, was "dedicated to old-timers and to young people—and to those who love the Great Southwest and the Greater Outdoors."

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Trinity Foundation (Dallas)

The Trinity Foundation is an American watchdog ministry founded by Ole Anthony in 1972. Its main mission is to expose abuse of public trust by televangelism and religious organisations. It has provided information to news outlets as well as state and federal agencies. As of 2020, the president of the organisation is Peter Evans.

It launched the Dallas Project in the 1980s as a challenge to religious organizations to help the homeless in the United States, which was in 2010 taken over by Community on Columbia (The Block), a church attended by many members of Trinity Foundation.

History
The Trinity Foundation was founded by Ole Anthony in June 1972. and based in Dallas, Texas.

The organization started with the purpose of conducting demographic research on televangelism and other religious television programming. During a series of scandals in the 1980s and 1990s, the Trinity Foundation established itself as a watchdog group that provided information about fraud and abuse by religious groups.

It has provided the results of its research and collaborated with journalists at ABC News, CBS News, NBC News, CNN, and Last Week Tonight with John Oliver.

Anthony died in 2021.

Televangelists
Trinity Foundation's investigative work into the fundraising tactics of big-money televangelists first came to national attention in 1991 following a Primetime Live hidden-camera look at televangelist Robert Tilton. The foundation was instrumental in providing evidence for the many state and federal investigations of Tilton in the years that followed.

Other televangelists investigated by Trinity include Benny Hinn, Jan and Paul Crouch Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Meyer, Paula White, Peter Popoff, W.V. Grant, and Edwin Barry Young. It has been a critic of the Trinity Broadcasting Network, and called for ministries of prominent tele-evangelists Billy and Franklin Graham, Charles Stanley, Ron Luce, and others to withdraw from the network.

In 2005, Trinity filed a brief with the Internal Revenue Service as a challenge of Benny Hinn's church status for his Ministry on the basis that it failed to meet any of the 14 Point Criteria for how a church qualifies for its status with the IRS.

Senate Finance Committee investigation
The foundation was directly involved in Sen. Charles Grassley's Senate Finance Committee investigation of abuses by a number of televangelist ministries. Beginning in 2005, after being asked to help by the committee’s general counsel, the foundation submitted over the next six years 38 separate reports on abuses by religious not-for-profit organizations, which were incorporated into the committee’s final report.

The foundation criticized Grassley for turning to the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability (ECFA) for suggested solutions instead of acting on tough legislative proposals from his staff for policing abuses by religious organizations. It said that the ECFA's recommendations were too lax and were compromised by close ties to the very ministries they were proposing to oversee.

Other investigations
Trinity has also investigated the St. Matthew's Churches/Church By Mail, Inc., a "seed-faith ministry" of James Eugene "Gene" Ewing, which targets the poorest zip codes in America with religious mailings.

An investigative report on the Australian ABC TV's 19:30 programme on 6 April 2022 revealed that Hillsong, the global megachurch headquartered in Sydney, had acquired a lot of property that had been hidden behind a web of entities across the world. It had done this in part by assuming financial control over other churches, starting with Garden City Church in Brisbane in 2009. The Trinity investigator, Barry Bowen, found that Hillsong owned at least three condominiums in New York City, a US$3.5-million home in California and 31 properties in Arizona, expected to be worth a total of US$40 million by 2023. Its corporate and financial structures mean that the church is protected against litigation which demands large payouts to plaintiffs.

Other activities
The foundation published The Wittenburg Door, a magazine of Christian satire that was established in 1971, from 1995 to 2008.

It launched the Dallas Project in the 1980s as a challenge to religious organizations to help the homeless in the United States, which was in 2010 taken over by Community on Columbia (The Block), a church attended by many members of Trinity Foundation. This is an independent church congregation separate from the foundation's oversight, but still in friendly cooperation and agreement with its mission.

Controversy
Some former members of the group have been critical of the foundation and Anthony, accusing it of abuse and cultism, namely in the practices done by him as leader, which included "hot seat" sessions that led to verbal attacks led by Anthony under the guise of "cleansing"; in a 2006 article, several members blamed Trinity for the end of their marriages. Wendy Duncan, a former member of Trinity alongside her husband Doug (also a member and right-hand man to Anthony) wrote a book about her experiences there with the "cult" in I Can't Hear God Anymore that detailed Anthony's grip on decision-making that included the organization's purchase of thirteen apartment complexes in Oklahoma City in 1998; thdy defaulted $42 million in tax-exempt revenue bonds two years later. Anthony often claimed to live on less than $100 a week (even saying as such to journalists), which conflicted with a deposition he made in 1992 under oath that he had an account at Merrill Lynch with $26,000.

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