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Lingo
Any one feel that the language of this article is far too technical? It uses a lot of scientific words and gives a lot of figures, but doesn't really say much. 162.83.254.190 (talk) 03:00, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Nope. Rather straightforward, in my opinion.  There could probably be a couple more links, but other than that, this article is rather simple to read. Bob the Wikipedian (talk • contribs) 22:56, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with that for the Taxonomy section but I think the rest is fine. (sorry don't know how to sign this post)

Expansion
Note the expansion and clarity currently displayed. This uses a similar appearance on other articles of "bear dogs". Noles1984 (talk) 23:18, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

The other "Bear Dog"
As you know, sometimes "Bear Dog" means an animal which is intermediate between a bear and a dog. It's like Mole Shrew. But as you will immediately understand, the term can also be a dog which is named after the fact that it's used to hunt bears, like "bird dog" or "wolf hound" or some such. I arrived at this page looking for the latter, but was offered no re-direct. I know that that there is at least one dog called a "bear dog", but can't find its article. It's called something like a "Kartelian Bear Dog", I know that's not correct, but it's not to far off. It started with a "k" and ended with "-ian", and then "Bear Dog". There may be more, I don't know. Can we find that and any other such bear dogs and put a redirect at the top of the page so lost people like me can find their way to the bear dog that they are looking for? Thanks for any attention you could give to this matter.

Oh, by the way, interesting article about this referent. The only thing I think it needs is an artist's reconstruction, a drawing or painting, or two. I know that's hard to find the rights for. Chrisrus (talk) 06:29, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Makes sense. I'll fix that. Anaxial (talk) 21:23, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Thank you for your help. If I find any more such "bear dogs", I'll let you know.  Maybe this is the only one.  Chrisrus (talk) 23:28, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

 * I did briefly check on Google; it was the only one I could find. Anaxial (talk) 20:20, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

 * I have been wondering for a while now about whether it would be better to move the article to Amphicyonidae to avoid confusion caused by the rather ambiguous vernacular name, not being a bear or a dog. Thoughts? -- Kev  min  § 21:40, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

 * I don't know. I can't find the "Wiki:" guideline right now, but there is one that urges us to use common names whenever possible as the primary title and to use the article(s) to deal with any problems that doing so would entail.  I'll see if I can find it, but it's very convincing in its reasoning.  There are many cases where the referents of the common term refers to more than one taxon, or some other mis-alignment between common name and technical term.  Experts usually want to force everything into the taxonomy, but Wikipedian concensous often prefers the guideline.  For example, see pocupine, which is two wholely different taxons.  You could argue for it's splitting, but should the articles Dog and Wolf be merged because taxonomy does not distinguish among them?  No one yet has argued for this position.  So no expert seems to want to have the encyclopedia follow taxonomy exactly in all cases.  Each case is different, but please don't go against the guideline unless you just can't find any other way. Chrisrus (talk) 23:28, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

 * The guideline you are thinking of says to just the most commonly used name if possible, no matter if the name is a vernacular or scientific name. Just to note dog and wolf are regarded as taxonomically separate, specifically domestic dogs are a subspecies of the Canis lupus.  I am not going against the guideline though, one of the main concepts advocated in Article titles is precision, which the current title here fails, as this is neither a bear or a dog and as you pointed out can be easily confused for the dog breed Karelian Bear Dog, thus making it a very ambiguous name at best.  This article also fall under Naming conventions (fauna) for which "Bear dog" also fails to meet the requirements. By the way what exactly is a "taxonym" Ive never seen that word before (is it even a word??) -- Kev  min  § 23:48, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

 * There are a few Google hits for "taxonym", including the Wikipedia article -onym, but I don't think it can be a very common word. As for the article title, I don't think it fails the precision test, since "bear-dog" is the common vernacular name for the taxon (see, for example, ). One might argue, I suppose, that it isn't a well known enough vernacular name, but I've seen it in quite a few books, so I'm not very convinced on that one. Anaxial (talk) 20:20, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Improving This Article

 * I would like to see more about this animal as it is far from just a stub category as this was a monstrous beast with the features of a lion, a bear and a wolf all rolled up into one. Recently, it has drawn more attention from animators who recreated the creature in 3d and it became an extremely fascinating creature and among their more popular creatures. When did it go extinct as the article doesn't actually give much detail? The many breeds and so forth would be better if they were added here as separate sections since so little is known about them. Here are a few links of videos that could be added http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWN2FRWzRL4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQo-jF765Eg&feature=related http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/prehistoric-washington-dc-bear-dog.html

Adding videos to the topic would gain more attention and make for a better presentation. If people here were willing, my own site is dedicated to 3d art and we have people who make 3d mesh characters where we could do some art for Wiki a lot cheaper than special effects groups charge. But this topic could definately be improved. I'm not good at editing Wiki pages so I don't want to add anything and screw this up but if anyone else is interested in contributing more to this article or considering adding new segments here for each of the bear dogs than all being separate, it would be much easier to add information when more discoveries are made about this powerful beast.

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Hyena?
Is this animal closely related, or have some similarities to, a hyena? That restoration looks almost like a spotted hyena, except with a smaller body and thinner tail (Sorta like a mongoose or lemur). And 'bear dog' is kinda what a Hyena literally is and looks like (though for some reason it's more related to cats than either?).

--Aneyh (talk) 05:22, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Bear dogs are most closely related to living bears, and both are caniform carnivorans. Hyenas are felimorph carnivorans descended from civet-like animals closely related to civets and mongooses. Both groups split off from each other during the early Eocene.--Mr Fink (talk) 05:38, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually the bear dogs are currently thought to be closer to true dogs than bears. At least the Amphicyonidae are. There is another similar group, which are also sometimes called bear dogs or dog bears, the Hemicyoninae, which are a subfamily of Ursidae.
 * As for the similarity with Hyaenas, it could be a case of convergent evolution. Perhaps they share a similar ecological niche, although this is pure speculation and the article has nothing on the cranial structure or mode of predation. The bone-crushing dogs, the Borophaginae, also share some features with more derived hyaenas. More generally many small feliform and caniform carnivores also resemble each other more than their larger cousins.   Jts1882 | talk 07:01, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Mistake with clade
I’m looking at Wikipedia’s other charts on the subject, and they seem to put the Bear Dog closet to bears than dogs. Is there a way we can figure out which grouping is correct? Dogblock (talk) 14:06, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Do you mean "dog-bears" of the subfamily Hemicyoninae? These are variously an extinct subfamily of or sister family to Ursidae. It seems "dog-bears" and "bear dogs" are different beasts. The exact position of dog bears (Amphicyonidae) is uncertain, with them usually place in a polytomy with canids and actoids or as sister family to canids.  Jts1882 | talk 14:26, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 13 May 2022

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Megan B....   It’s all coming to me till the end of time  09:56, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Bear dog → Amphicyonidae – "Bear dog" is a colloquial title that is only informally used, and does not satisfy the criterion for being a "Common name" for this group Hemiauchenia (talk) 01:59, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

 * Support. The taxonomic name is unambiguous (even if it does mean 'ambiguous dog'). Searching 'bear dog' seems to turn up various dog breeds more than the extinct family. Also there seems to be lots of alternative spellings, such as 'beardog' and 'bear-dog'. YorkshireExpat (talk) 07:12, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

 * Support per above. Bear dog is not an unambiguous name that refers only to this family, as pointed out, searching for bear dog pulls up any number of other results. --SilverTiger12 (talk) 07:56, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

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 * Support - per above. FunkMonk (talk) 00:48, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

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Momo
"Grassrunners: A clan of anthropomorphic dogs who are generally robust and physically strong, however are not so intuned to magic.(Momo, despite being frequently mistaken for a rabbit, is a dog - compare her ears to Scias and Ursula's ears)."

Unless someone has something specific from a reliable source like a capcom manga published stating momo is a dog or rabbit etc I think this stuff doesn't need to be here. Its entirely possible that grassrunners can be any multiple anthromorphs, bulldog, collie, lop eared rabbit, etc. Look at Bow from BoF2, he looks domestocated ;-) and he's not part of Bo's forest clan from the BoF (that I am aware of) so could be one clan is "pet type anthromorhs - happy carefree running in grass stuff, grassrunner". Heck, Capcom has never been great with the whole continuety thing anyways.

Anyway if we have an official sort of source lets put it in a page for Momo, and state what grassrunners are, if not, leave it out altogether and maybe think about putting in a page for Momo that some players are uncertain what Momo is meant to be. --4.225.232.32 16:15, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Capcom don´t have to say nothing, it´s obviously that Momo is a Rabbit seeing the Artbook, you can see Pink/Red eyes, how many animals have pink eyes? i think my dog don´t have, and yours? you can take the nose too, and the ears (very different than Ursula ears) but the most important thing: Pink eyes!.

Splitting up the games
I'm gonna put a Cleanup tag until these are separated. They are all full-fledged games. -- A Link to the Past 03:21, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

I've made this the hub page for the series, like this page for the Star Ocean series. Content for individual games can be found on Breath of Fire I, Breath of Fire II, Breath of Fire III, Breath of Fire IV and Breath of Fire V (when it's added, [|the information is still here]). At the moment, most of the content will be what was originally on the this page. Although just because they're stubs, doesn't mean they should be put on one page. They can be expanded into full-fledged articles. I'm just not the person to do it at this time (I've only played BoF III and that was some time ago). --John Lynch 15:46, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Problem is that the correct title for the first game is Breath of Fire, so a series page would have to be Breath of Fire series. -- A Link to the Past 17:00, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Alternatively, the article relating to the first game could be title Breath of Fire (video game) and the series page could remain here. This was what was done with both Castlevania and Final Fantasy. – Seancdaug 17:20, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * I always thought that those pages just shouldn't be. I mean, look at Legend of Zelda series, works perfectly. Calling it Breath of Fire series would eliminate confusion when people come specifically for Breath of Fire. -- A Link to the Past 17:32, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * I disagree that it's necessary. Final_Fantasy_I is actually called Final Fantasy, but that page links to the series hub. If you think Final Fantasy should also have Final Fantasy (series) be for the series hub, then I think it would be better to discuss it with the people that are a part of the wikiproject for it. I don't really care either way, I just think it would be better if all of the pages are the same. Also, by having a link to all of the games on this page, it's easy to find the page for the first game. --John Lynch 02:54, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * The thing is, it's easier to address the confusion of users who come specifically for Breath of Fire, the original SNES game, and wind up on a general series overview page, then it is to address the confusion of users who come for a general overview of the Breath of Fire series and wind up in an article for some decade-old game they've never heard of ;-). A general series page, properly written, can operate as a portal to articles for each individual game much better than an individual game article can serve as a portal to a general series overview. The hypothetical individual searching for info on the original BoF is only one click away from that article from a series page (Breath of Fire → Breath of Fire (video game)), but the individual trying to remember the exact name of that old Breath of Fire game s/he played a few years ago is up to three clicks away if s/he types in "Breath of Fire" and goes to the article on the original game (Breath of Fire → Breath of Fire series → article s/he was actually looking for). That being said, I'm just sticking my nose in here, and there's clearly precedent for both conventions. Just pointing out an alternative is all. :-) – Seancdaug 05:00, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll accept that argument. Makes enough sense. -- A Link to the Past 08:39, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

Ryu
I don't know if his name is spelled like it in the original, but could his name be "Ryuu", as in "dragon"?
 * Yeah, originally, it's Ryuu (at least in the manga). However, the English translation made him Ryu (at least from the second game onwards - I don't think the character even has a default name in BOF), so I think we should stick with that. I always hate it when translators drop the long vowels in names. 130.232.131.47 22:14, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Character portraits
Can I suggest changing Ryu&Nina's character portraits to those from other breath of fire games as portraits from I-IV show much more traditional styles for the characters and the current portraits from BoF:V are very differently styled from the rest of the series in alot of ways.

I added in a note at the character section to make it clear that although there are recurring themes and character names, the stories themselves are not actually continuous - the same as the Final Fantasy, Lunar, and Wild Arms series.

Ryu's Dialogue
Actually, he does have some dialogue in both of the first two games.

Suggestions
The Black Dragon Clan was the one who gained the ability to become a dragon from Mirya. In the BoF II Ray is a black dragon clan member hence having the ability to become a dragon. A villager in Dologany also states it.

 * I don't think the first BoF have a less manga graphic style than the others. It's just that the first games had "special" american Boxart, as the hideous examples from the first Megaman games show.

Also, I once read about the BoF IV world being an alternate world of the worlds of the other games, and that's why many characters are summoned from their original world (like Bleu). I think it may be right, when I talked to Momo in the BoF IV, she says somehing about feelin like in a dream, like she is not herself, like she was in another world. -unsigned comment

 * They didn't gain the ability from Mirya/Tyr. Zog was able to transform before she was even freed by the goddess keys. And they didn't have gain that ability from her in the war thats in the games backstory that I recall. 216.46.210.198 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:25, 23 April 2009 (UTC).

Speculation
This article stinks of extensive speculation. I'm reminded of when many fans believed Final Fantasy was all one big universe. Unless citations from official sources are provided, any attempt to reconcile the games as a whole is (almost entirely) supposition. Admittedly, there was the mural from BoF III and the assorted references... but then in Final Fantasy XII Gilgamesh is present with weapons from sundry Final Fantasy heroes and yet the series are not, in fact, connected. Again, I emphasize: Cite the sources. Jachra 05:58, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Article is still full of speculation and some things completely made up.. "Dragon clan members are also shown to wield powerful magic; while Light Dragons like Ryu use curative powers, Dark Dragons members, like Teepo of Breath of Fire III, wield offensive powers." ..In the original game the light dragon who was also the hero's sister (Sara), was depicted using offensive powers. Nowhere in Breath of Fire III is it stated that either Ryu or Teepo are from separate clans. I would hazard a guess this was presumed by that editor simply because Teepo's dragon form looks dark. But arrange Ryu's transformation genes right and you can make him look pretty dark to though. 216.46.210.22 (talk) 08:05, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Major rewrite needed
This article is in need of a major rewrite. The races and groups section needs to be either shortened, or taken out entirely. The theme section goes quite off-track mid-way through and is unneeded anyway. I can't redo this article myself as I have only really made progress in III& IV. Take a look at the Final fantasy article for a good template for this one. The opening paragraph especially is misleading and incorrect in so many ways(the whole Final fantasy series takes place in the same world? The Lunar series has a tradition of discontinuity??). Yoshiguy 04:25, 25 December 2006 (UTC)people die

Poor character profiles
Reading various of the character articles from this game series, I see many poor articles, almost all of them are stubs, and all of them haven't a simple infobox (except Deis/Bleu). Really you have to do something with that, people. Or improved these articles, or simply redirect all of them to their respective games. Basara-kun 08:23, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Characters
"Throughout the series many characters have come and gone. The five constant characters in every game are listed below"

I think this should be changed somehow, since only Ryu and Nina are in every of the five games. Maybe something like "important characters from the series" or just leaving Ryu and Nina under "constant characters" and the other three under "other important characters"? 193.174.26.199 17:33, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Breath of Fire VI
Has there been any new developments regarding Breath of Fire VI? I hope the Breath of Fire series continues! Albert Cheng (talk) 23:35, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

From what we have been hearing Capcom is not just going to let there best RPG just die. A earnings statement for capcom states that Breath of Fire is there is there top selling RPG series --The Victor 05:14, 20 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thevictor (talk • contribs)

Oh great! Thank you for informing me on this matter! Albert Cheng (talk) 00:34, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

 * I'm going to leave this here. 66.168.19.135 (talk) 15:49, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

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table in games section
Does there really need to be a "this is the [x] game in the series" note for the games? It seems like a waste of space, considering they're already arranged in release order, and all but Dragon Quarter are obvious which number in the series they are.76.226.96.208 (talk) 20:23, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

 * Normally I'd agree but it seems Hibana was the one who reorganized the graph and his past work has been pretty tidy. I dunno, maybe I'm missing something? Johnnyfog (talk) 20:23, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

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Deis (Bleu)
Deis (Breath of Fire) redirects here, but information about Deis (AKA Bleu) from that article has not been merged when it became a redirect. In fact, neither Deis nor Blue are mentioned anywhere in the article Breath of Fire. Rl (talk) 10:06, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

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need your help on two RFCs
Please visit these pages and post a comment in support with an example of how this is true. Thanks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/User:Gamaliel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/User:Robert_McClenon 24.147.97.230 17:10, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

I said "look up" as in "above". You will find the link in my previous comments. Derex 04:38, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

 * (a) i have never met kizzle & i'm not his professor. i did work for one year at his university, while he was not even in attendance -- a coincidence we discovered by chance not long ago. (b) i'm not a sockpuppet, wolfman retired. a sockpuppet is using two accounts at once.  on my user page you will see that i mention having a past name, and i have not made a secret of it (or you obviously wouldn't know about it). i did use wolfman once since derex: to vote in a vfd that required a minimum 100 edits; wolfman had about 6000. i am quite proud of my record as wolfman. i do note that you seem awfully damn knowledgeable about wikipedia details for such a newbie. you wouldn't be a sockpuppet yourself, now would you? (c) of course i checked to see what you were adding to other articles.  the first thing i saw you do was say that tyson got convicted with mentioning the wee tiny detail that espy was acquitted of 30 charges.  you are indeed a paragon of neutrality. btw, you followed me to the espy page. and i wrote the rape page in the first place. (d) kizzle should indeed mind his language, but you should also consider why you provoke such a reaction. you should mind your language too. (e) don't assume you know my politics.  i'm not a democrat.  but since SBVT, i have had a very low tolerance for smear campaigns and lies.  i like to combat smear with fact.  and that is what i have been doing.  if you don't think i'm being neutral, then supply facts of your own. that is what i have been doing myself.  i am happy to be educated. Derex 17:14, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Musachachado
Responding to User talk:Casito:I am not an admin, so I can't block him. I added him to WP:VIP so he should be dealt with. I know several admins personally and I will contact them if need be. BTW, his German grammer is so bad that it's pitiful. -Casito⇝Talk 03:57, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Ted Kennedy
Thanks for your help. I've been trying to get a balance on this page for weeks now. 24.147.97.230 00:51, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

thanks mr.sockpuppet
always nice to have a vandal target the clinton article, seeing how it isn't george bush there's vritually no chance of it being reverted - 172.150.56.37 01:49, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

no, you were warned--172.150.56.37 02:36, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

On Stalin
look, i appreciate removals of pro-Communist bias as much as the next guy -- I'm a registered U.S. Republican. however these guys are right that what Stalin did is not genocide by any definition of the word and you're really not helping your case on the talk page. i'd suggest you concede this one and try to make more objective edits on USSR-related articles where leftist bias actually is a significant problem.

i'm messaging you rather than just dismissing you because it is my opinion that several wik political articles do have a leftist bias, in some cases very egregious bias that goes untouched, and if you could focus on NPOV rather than political debates you'd gain more credibility on this project. J. Parker Stone 03:33, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

On Lenin (and Stalin)
I am asking for page protection. You may want to add your comments here. Ultramarine 21:45, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Stalin
Hi Agiantman, you've been reported for a 3RR violation at Stalin and for incivility on the talk page. This is just to warn you that if you violate 3RR in future, you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Also, it's better to leave out the ad hominem comments when dealing with contentious issues. I've never been involved in editing this article, but I know it has caused a lot of trouble for various editors, so it's best to tread lightly and deal only with the content issues, and not with what you perceive to be the motives of other contributors. Cheers, SlimVirgin (talk) 00:20, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

Spelling Error
question for user:Agiantman : the question is, are you sure your name isn't supposed to be spelled AgiantTroll? It is unclear if this is a mere spelling error, or a more serious misrepresentation, thanx -- Gee Wiz

Zoroastrianism
You may be interested in participating in this vote. KHM03 15:41, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

That was my point
!= means "does not equal" Glenford 14:38, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Ted Kennedy Page
Can you help with the discussion on the Ted Kennedy page? Thanks 24.147.97.230

No Personal Attacks
Please do not refer to two editors who happen to agree that two particular Ted Kennedy incidents were non-encyclopedic as sock-puppets. That is a personal attack. Robert McClenon 19:27, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

No Frivolous Accusations of Vandalism
The deletion of unsourced material is not vandalism. The deletion of sourced material may be. In this case, the statement that Freeman did not believe in antisepsis does require a source. Also, is there any evidence that infection played a factor? If not, it simply proves that Freeman was a quack, but that is not the issue about Rosemary Kennedy. Frivolous accuasations of vandalism are personal attacks. Robert McClenon 23:59, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

A further warning about Wikipedia policies
Over the years, the Wikipedia community has developed several policies and guidelines about editors' conduct. These standards are applicable to admins, other longtime editors, newly registered accounts, and even anonymous IP’s. We want to avoid biting the newbies, but that doesn't constitute a license for them to be disruptive. You've been here several weeks now, and important policies have been called to your attention, yet you continue to violate them: This message is not an attempt to harass you. It's an attempt to persuade you to conform your actions to the community's policies so that you can remain a member of the community. JamesMLane 15:31, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * No personal attacks. Your talk page shows that your incivility has been called to your attention by SlimVirgin and by Robert McClenon.  When Robert tried to help you by advising you of this policy, you accused him of harassing you.  After these warnings, you made this edit, suggesting that Robert was "on the Kennedy PR payroll".  The policy against such personal attacks isn't just some vague hope that people will be nice.  It's a policy.  It's enforceable.  Fred Bauder, a longtime member of the Arbitration Committee, has written: "The no personal attacks rule has been one of the most frequently cited Wikipedia policies used by the Arbitration Committee. Violations have resulted in bans of up to a year in extreme cases."
 * Vandalism. We have a clear policy: "Any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia, even if misguided or ill-considered, is not vandalism. Apparent bad-faith edits that do not make their bad-faith nature inarguably explicit are not considered vandalism at Wikipedia."  The policy goes on to note that NPOV violations are not vandalism.  So, if you disagree with an edit, even if you disagree because you consider the edit biased, that doesn't make it vandalism.  You shouldn't continue to sling around the word "vandalism" in such circumstances.

Request for Comments
Please see Requests for comment/Agiantman. Robert McClenon 12:57, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Removing user comments
The message that user:JamesMLane left for Agiantman was extremely civil. Deleting warnings about bad behavior is, by itself, evidence of bad faith. -Willmcw 01:45, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

 * On the contrary, user:JamesMLane is a POV warrior and his "warning" was just part of a concerted an effort to harrass anyone who tries to introduce NPOV on the page of liberal politicians. Deleting warnings about bad behavior when there is no bad behavior is not evidence of bad faith.  user:JamesMLane writes on his user page that he is "Hostile to the right wing."  I am hardly right wing, but I certainly have felt the brunt of his hostility. --Agiantman 02:14, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

 * You also removed at the same time a 3RR warning from user:SlimVirgin, and two warnings from [[User:Robert McClenon, about personal attacks and false vandalism accusations. -Willmcw 04:31, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

 * It could be due to my reference of complaints against him on his talk page in the current RfC. --kizzle 05:22, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

 * Willmcw, the editors you mention are all part of the same cabal who harrass and pigpile on anyone who disagrees with their POV. They contribute to the same articles. "Warnings" on discussion pages are part of their m.o., as well as RfC pages and  frivolous 3RR reports.  It appears you are in the same club.  Please do not leave any further messages on my discussion page.  If you would like, I will leave a nice warning on your page. --Agiantman 14:46, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

 * To see a recent complaint against user:SlimVirgin and User:Willmcw for wikistalking, see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#User:Willmcw_and_User:SlimVirgin LOL!

your request
i glanced at some of your changes on the Kennedy article. i'm not really well-informed on the subject of Kennedy family shenanigans but the "Mormon" bit seemed a little POV to me (although the previous version could use some tweaking.) i dunno if i'll involve myself in this but i may look at it a little more. J. Parker Stone 06:56, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

You might like this
User_talk:Anonip

Also note that Gamaliel did his best to remove this from his talk page.

TDC 16:39, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

Cliques and arbitration
Greetings and thanks for your note of support. The clique composed of Willmcw and SlimVirgin is one of the worst operating on Wikipedia and I'm sorry (but not surprised) to hear that you've had a bad experience with them as well. Willmcw has very strong political and personal beliefs and pushes them regularly in his edits and screening of other people's edits, and SlimVirgin is always standing nearby to assist him when somebody objects to the way he batters and harasses other editors that don't conform with those beliefs. I've experienced this first hand and seen the two of them do it many times, occassionally calling in other fellow travellers in their clique to assist in things such as burying an RfC against one or more of them for misbehavior. SlimVirgin tried to do this to me recently when I filed an RfC against Willmcw for a very blatant and incontrovertable NPOV abuse (he was inserting David Duke quotes into an article to make it look like the Klan supported a viewpoint opposite of his!). Most of the normal good faith editors who visited the RfC immediately recognized how Willmcw was in the wrong and went to work trying to fix the problems he'd created on that article. But Slim and the clique showed up to "vote down" the RfC en masse without even looking at the evidence because Willmcw is one of "their guys." Another way this group operates is to find a newcomer to Wikipedia who disagrees with one of their opinions. Newcomers are by definition inexperienced at how edits happen here so many times they react in confusion when they start getting bombarded with hostile allegations of vandalism or mass reverts of their edits. I've seen Will, Slim & Co. show up and effectively run some of them off the forum this way, completely disregarding Wikipedia's policy against biting the newcomers with hostility the moment they arrive. If you have a moment please stop by the Stalking article and contribute to the discussion there as non-clique voices are needed and the aforementioned clique is trying its hardest to bury and dismantle the thing (partially because one of their own - Willmcw - knows he's guilty of the very same offenses it pertains to). Thanks again for your support. Rangerdude 04:39, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Wikistalking vote
Please take a moment to cast a vote here. The crowd of usual suspects is attempting to bury the proposal before it's even fully developed. Thanks Rangerdude 18:49, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

 * At Requests_for_arbitration, Willmcw says that you have accused him of WikiStalking. I have begun to compile a log of his harassing edits for use as evidence if this case is taken up by the ArbCom. You may wish to do the same. --HK 00:33, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Personal Attacks
"You, User:RyanFreisling, are a POV warrior of the worst kind"

Please avoid the use of personal attacks against Ryan and I. They are uncalled for and are unproductive. An RfC against Ryan is just ridiculous.Voice of All(MTG) 04:23, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

Robert McClenon
If they take off his Rfc I'll show proof straightaway you wishFamekeeper 09:13, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Seeking Help
I am preparing conduct RFC's against User:Commodore Sloat and User:Ryan Freisling. They have been harrassing me because I have resisted their attempts to push POV in several articles, including Plame Affair and Larry C. Johnson. They and their POV allies have just lauched an unjustified attack RFC on my conduct. I will eventually need someone to join me to certify both RFC's.  Could you please review the situation. If you agree that their conduct is becoming a problem and you haven't already done so, could you weigh in on their talk pages or one of the article talk pages (a pre-requisite to certify a conduct RFC)? It would be appreciated. Thanks! --Mr j galt 00:31, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

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Talk:Grey Cup

Stadiums
Maybe someone can add a picture of the Varsity Stadium in Toronto because it has hosted the most cup matches; or Olympic Stadium in Montreal because holds the top attendance records.Donutcity (talk) 22:21, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Scoring Records
this section could really stand to be expanded. it warrants a whole page if anyone feels like doing the work. a separate page could cover team records, individual records, quarter and half time records; yardage, kicking, scoring etc.Donutcity (talk) 22:17, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Halftime performances
This article, which is supposed to be about the Grey Cup (and not the Grey Cup television broadcast) has a list of the halftime performances but not a list of who won the cup? I understand that there is a link to that list, but the list of halftime performances is totally irrelevant. --DMac (talk) 16:07, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

I agree, this should be on a separate page if it is even retained. Rather than an incomplete table, it could be replaced on this page by a paragraph that summaries in brief the type of entertainment one can expect. i assume most tv viewers change the channel and most people in the stadium go to the can.Donutcity (talk) 22:14, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Does this air on American television (ESPN)?72.174.134.72 (talk) 04:54, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Untitled
I don't know about renaming it, but maybe it wouldn't be quite so Grey if they would polish the durn thing, don'cha know, eh? Wahkeenah 03:26, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Some mention of the event's popularity is needed. year in year out it is among the highest rated television events in Canada with over 4 million viewers
 * I agree completely Canking 23:56, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I suggest that we organize the table of games into a table similar to the one at Vanier Cup. --Zippanova 14:53, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Done. Except I made a bit of a mess of the field names. Feel free to correct them. --Walter Görlitz 04:27, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Need to add a physical description of the cup, and show how it has changed over the years (i.e. the different bases). Also, no mention is made that the original cup was retired (in the 60s or 70s?) and that the current version is a reconstruction (similar to the Stanley Cup)

I remember seeing on tv how the grey cup has such a tradition of being broken. This and a bunch of other things need to be added to this article since it has so much history eh. The Stanley Cup page is a great example and I think this page should be similar Canking 23:56, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

They should talk about the theft and stuff like that so if u r doin a project this page can actually help!--Gm9 18:47, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

The most practical reason for not including the list of cup games, winners etc is that there have been 98 of them! the list is really long and would weigh this page down. There is a paragraph of information about cup winners on this page, but perhaps a table or list could be made with like Most Wins, Most Appearances etc. One does exist on the page List of Grey Cup Champions already. the editors seem to dislike even the slightest hint of duplication.Donutcity (talk) 22:11, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Just wondering why the Ottawa Roughriders were excluded from the table of win/loss/appearances? I know the caption says "active" franchises but it seems like it should include all that played in the professional era. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DWiatzka (talk • contribs) 00:25, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

The Joe Clark & Grey Cup Image
Is it now safe to say, that image won't be deleted? GoodDay (talk) 15:20, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

what the hell - That is NOT the Grey Cup in that photo. and yet over here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1956_Grey_Cup_victory.jpg the guy is chugging out of that same trophy as in the Joe Clark photo... Are there 2 Grey Cups? Plargo (talk • contribs) 18:41, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Editing
Egads, this page is in need of some SEVERE editing! Some sentences just don't make sense!198.103.134.222 (talk) 14:22, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Two responses:
 * Like what, for instance;
 * So fix it.
 * Double Blue (Talk) 19:15, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

1999 Grey Cup Halftime Show
I was there and I recall that it was a song-and-dance routine featuring the various CFL cheerleaders. There was no prominent musician involved, but someone has listed "Brook Wong" as the halftime act. Was this someone who actually performed, or is this merely vandalism? --74.216.10.165 (talk) 03:54, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed it was vandalism. Thanks for the heads-up. Double Blue  (talk) 04:02, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

need more info on Cup itself
Not being Canadian, I would like to ask for someone more knowledgable to add information on the Grey Cup itself? For example, what is the size and weight of the Cup? Is the current Cup still the original one, first issued in 1909? And what about adding new bands, like the Stanley Cup? The article does mention "new plates" being added to the base in 2008, but nothing more. Elsquared (talk) 08:35, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Stallions attendance
The Baltimore Stallions article has an unsourced statement saying the team averaged "37,347 in 1994 (first in the CFL) and 30,112 in 1995 (second in the CFL)." Assuming these are home attendance figures and the same number of games were played, the numbers don't average to 35,000. Since it doesn't have a source, it is at the moment less reliable than the statement in this article. However, is anyone aware of reliable seasonal attendance numbers for the CFL in 1994 and 1995? (The numbers at and  match those in the Stallions article, but I'm unclear if this site should be considered reliable.) isaacl (talk) 18:44, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The statement is sourced, actually. It is sourced to the Washington Post story (ref 61), which supports both the on-field success and gate attendance.  Re-reading it, I did make a small correction, as this is exactly what the story says:  "The team has been received enthusiastically in Baltimore, where attendance at Memorial Stadium routinely has been averaging more than 35,000 - almost twice as much for such struggling CFL teams as the Toronto Argonauts and the Hamilton Tiger-Cats."   BTW, thanks for the copy edits!  Most appreciated. Regards, Resolute 19:37, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I assumed (based on your edit comment) that the statement was sourced to the Washington Post article. I understand the reason for the difference now: the article, written in 1994, was only discussing that season's attendance, and > 35,000 aligns with the 1994 attendance figure in the Stallions article. You're welcome regarding the copy edits; they are much easier to do when the article is in good shape to start with! isaacl (talk) 20:20, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Always glad to hear that. I want to see this make FA by the playing of the game, so if you can think of anything missing that needs to be here, let me know! Resolute 20:29, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The comment above regarding more info on the trophy is worth considering: some details on how the base has been changed over the years would be interesting. isaacl (talk) 21:52, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I have a non-RS that gives the years of the changes, but I can't find it in RSes.  Fortunately, I've been able to get pictures of each of the three designs, at least.  The hunt for technical details on the trophy is my priority, atm. Resolute 00:16, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Origin of the CFL
According to the Canadian Football League article, "In 1956, the IRFU and WIFU formed a new umbrella organization, the Canadian Football Council (CFC), and in 1958, the CFC left the CRU, becoming the Canadian Football League." Can anyone confirm that the CFC was part of the CRU until it became the CFL? If it is true, then I'd like to include the CFC leaving the CRU in this article. isaacl (talk) 03:09, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Per the Montreal Gazette source I used in the article, the CFL initially remained a member of the CRU, even though it took control of the Grey Cup: . I suspect the CFL's association with the CRU was arms-length right from the beginning, but there are articles well into the 1960s of CFL-CRU dinners at the Grey Cup where the CRU honoured people for service in either organization. When the formal, complete split happened, I am not certain.  But that may be more relevant for the CFL and Football Canada articles than this. Resolute 13:44, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks—I was trying to figure out if the language "worked to distance" could be re-worded in some way to better explain the situation, or sourced. Is this something described in Theile? isaacl (talk) 16:12, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd have to get the book back from the library. I do think some of the articles from the time on Google News Archive should help us provide sufficient context. Resolute 16:15, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I just simplified the statement to "they distanced themselves..." to get by the awkward language. The important statement for this article is that the CFL assumed control of the Grey Cup, imo.  I'd say the politics between the CFL and CRU quickly becomes off-topic at that point. Resolute 01:23, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Right—I was wondering if it was necessary to mention distancing at all. Nonetheless at least removing the "worked at" is good. isaacl (talk) 01:32, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I think it helps explain how the Cup (and the senior game itself) separated itself from the CRU's control. Shows the progression from the unions working under the CRU banner to parallel to operating outside of it. Resolute 01:43, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Purpose of donation
Regarding this recent edit, according to the cited reference on the Canadian Football Hall of Fame site, the trophy was donated as an "award for the amateur rugby football championship of Canada." I'm not sure how literally this statement should be interpreted (it isn't very assertive in its wording); has anyone come across other statements on the purpose of the donated trophy? isaacl (talk) 14:53, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, I read the comment in the featured article review, so I understand the purpose of the edit, and the background around the terminology. isaacl (talk) 14:57, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, for the lead the simplification suffices, I think. Minimizes confusion for readers unfamiliar with the sport. Resolute 18:36, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Linking to other articles
My usual practice is to link to terms the first time they are referred to in a section, to make it easier for readers to find an appropriate link with minimal disruption to their current place in the article; I see though that this has gone out of fashion at Wikipedia's style guidelines for linking and, naturally with all such minor formatting issues, it has engendered a large debate on the corresponding talk page. isaacl (talk) 16:28, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I tend to favour a middle ground approach to this, though I do agree with Giants2008 in the FAC that I inadvertently overlinked this article. All of the current teams now have two links in the article body: the first on their first mention, and the second in the championship history section.  I think that strikes a good balance for this article. Resolute 16:32, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I believe I am the one who added all those extra links (following my personal preference ;-). Other than for teams mentioned in the lead section, I assume the first mention is in the championship history section, since it is the first section? isaacl (talk) 16:41, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Host cities section
The attendance figures from the referenced newspapers disagree with the figures from the 2011 Grey Cup record book which is also used as a reference. In general, I would prefer to rely on the official CFL statistics for the basic objective facts of the games. Would you have any objection to adding a note for the Toronto and Ottawa number of games hosted as a reminder that they each hosted a game of the 28th Grey Cup in 1940? I realize this is a contradiction in my requests as the CFL doesn't note it in its similar table. But for a while I was confused as to why there have been 100 host cities for only 99 Cups. 99.246.116.118 (talk) 04:35, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Good idea on the note for the two-game, two-host year. I will add that.  However, looking at the attendance, I actually believe the CFL accidentally shifted the attendance somewhere. Note that for 1958, they list Vancouver at 27,391, yet the papers of the time show 34,426 - the figure the CFL record sheet has for 1959 in Toronto! The 27,391 figure cited is actually the total for 1957 in Toronto. Resolute 22:36, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. As for the attendance numbers I just realized that I'm looking at a slightly different record book from cfl.ca selecting STATS and opening Grey Cup under Historical Records.  Although its title indicates 2011, it doesn't include the 2011 game.  This list is closer to the newspaper results and matches the official annual Grey Cup recap pages:  39,417 in 1955; 27,051 in 1957; 36,567 in 1958; 33,133 in 1959; 53,467 in 1976; 68,318 in 1977.  Sorry I should have given the link and its numbers to avoid this confusion. 99.246.116.118 (talk) 04:59, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, that's just lovely. Nice to see the CFL contradicts itself then.  The record book link you used appears (given the page numbers) to be part of the 2011 CFL media guide.  As it was published before last season began, it wouldn't have the 2011 GC.  The one I used is either part of the 2012 guide, or is a stand-alone supplement for Grey Cup records (thus no page numbers).  All references agree on the 1955 Vancouver attendance (once you account for the shifted line in my link), so that's good. The discrepancy is with 1976.  Papers of the time and my PDF say one thing, your link gives a slightly different figure. Given the CFL doesn't agree with itself, I am going to leave the figure cited in the newspaper. First, it was a report of the announced attendance at the game. Second, it supports both the number and the fact that it was a record. And third, the link I used states at the very end that all statistics from 1951-onwards were "comprehensively reviewed" for accuracy in 2011.  So it is believable that, their typographical error aside, they realized previous guides were posting incorrect figures, and that the 53,389 figure is correct, and was corrected for the 2012 releases.  Thanks for the links though.  It's always useful to double check these things! Resolute 13:30, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Darlek
Sorry for the off topic comment but I swear the first time I saw that pic it was a Darlek! Simply south...... wearing fish for just 6 years 10:51, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

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Revco

Revco Discount Drug Stores (known simply as Revco or Revco, D.S.), once based in Twinsburg, Ohio, was a major drug store chain operating through the Ohio Valley, the Mid-Atlantic states, and the Southeastern United States. The chain's stock was traded on the New York Stock Exchange under the ticker symbol RXR. Revco was sold to CVS Pharmacy for $2.8 billion ($ in ) in February 1997. When it was sold, the chain had over 2,500 stores.

History
Revco, originally known as Registered Vitamin Company, was founded in 1956 in Detroit, Michigan, by Sidney Dworkin and Bernie Shulman. Dworkin led Revco until 1986 as CEO, and then he served as chairman until 1987.

Up to 1983, Revco grew tremendously; the chain had over 2,200 stores and over $2.2 billion ($ in ) in sales. The chain then began to stumble. In 1983, its vitamins were blamed for the deaths of a number of premature infants. In order to prevent a hostile takeover and increase short-term profitability, Dworkin then led the chain into a deal that would seal its fate many years later. Under his leadership, Revco purchased a company called Odd Lot Trading Co., a closeout retailer based in New Jersey. Revco's management lost its focus on the drug store portion of its business due to problems with Odd Lot Trading Co., and earnings tumbled. The chain also began to merchandise items such as televisions, furniture, and other non-core items, and the heavy investment proved to be a failure.

Bankruptcy
In 1986, Revco was the target of a leveraged buyout. Part of the buyout deal was to reduce costs by closing stores and by reducing inventory to repay debts. This left the company with a shortfall of cash, and suppliers stopped shipping inventory, causing the chain to lose customers. This eventually caused the chain to file for bankruptcy in 1988. Revco was bailed out of bankruptcy by investor Sam Zell, in part to fend off separate takeover attempts by both Eckerd and Rite Aid. In 1990, 221 Midwest Revco stores were purchased by Reliable Drug, based in Cleveland, Ohio. The Michigan stores purchased by Reliable were sold almost immediately to Perry Drugs. Revco emerged from bankruptcy, as an independent company, in 1992.

Emergence from bankruptcy
Revco's turnaround from bankruptcy was and is often still considered the "model" of a business recovering from bankruptcy. The chain closed many underperforming stores (including selling all stores west of the Mississippi River to the son of the then-current Rite Aid CEO), reduced costs, introduced computerized point-of-sale systems, and introduced a new store design to help increase sales. The chain shrank from about 2,200 stores to about 1,500 stores during this period.

The hallmark of the new store designs was the arrangement of the store aisles, which was developed and introduced as the company was emerging from bankruptcy. Half the store had aisles that ran from the front of the store to the back in straight rows. Seasonal merchandise, food, greeting cards, baby supplies, hardware and office supplies were in this half of the store. The other half of the store, the health and beauty sections, had their aisles slanted so customers could see down the aisles as they walked from the front doors to the pharmacy, which was in the back of the store. A very wide main aisle led from the front door to the pharmacy, and this aisle separated the slanted aisles from the "straight aisles". While many drug stores in the U.S. have variations of this design today, it was a departure at the time from the usual all front-to-back, straight aisles. In Revco's free standing stores, the slanted aisles had an open ceiling above them; the other aisles had a drop ceiling over them. In these stores today, which are now CVS stores, the open ceiling and drop ceiling are still in place (though all the aisles are now aligned in a traditional manner).

The new stores also were decorated in soft blues and greys, had track lighting, and low hanging lights over the greeting cards, all which gave the store a "soft" appearance. Revco introduced strict rules about having no handwritten signs or merchandise displays sitting directly on the floor, which it thought gave the stores a cleaner look. All front-end employees had to wear a navy blue smock.

After emerging from bankruptcy, the chain grew tremendously again, increasing its store count to over 2,500 stores. Part of this growth came from the purchase of over 800 Hook's/SupeRx drug stores in 1994 in the Mid-Atlantic region and Midwest, and Birmingham, Alabama, based Big B Drugs in the southeast, which was its last purchase, made in 1996.

Sale of the company
In order to help Zell recover his investment in the company, the company's management was under pressure to sell the company. In 1996, Revco entered into an agreement with Rite Aid to be bought out. The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) announced that it would sue to stop the buyout, saying that Rite Aid would become a monopoly in many markets because Rite Aid and Revco had many overlapping stores, and Rite Aid withdrew its bid for the company. In February 1997, CVS Pharmacy entered into an agreement to acquire Revco, but the FTC moved to block the acquisition under the Clayton Act on the ground that it would substantially reduce competition in two markets: the state of Virginia and the Binghamton, New York metropolitan statistical area. In response, CVS and Revco agreed that 114 of Revco's Virginia stores and six of its Binghamton-area stores would be divested. The companies entered into a consent order with the agency, under which it was agreed that the Virginia-area stores would be divested to Eckerd Corporation and the Binghamton stores would be divested to Medicine Shoppe, Inc. As part of executing the divestiture to Eckerd, the FTC alleged that CVS removed important computers and pharmacy files from the divested stores, and that CVS denied Eckerd access to Revco's computerized patient profile data, providing the data only on microfiche, which would require Eckerd to manually re-enter the data, impairing Eckerd's ability to compete. CVS was fined $600,000 for the violation. Apart from the FTC penalty, CVS paid a $1.58 million fine to the Virginia Board of Pharmacy for violating state regulations governing the transfer of patient prescription records.

CEOs

 * Sidney Dworkin (1961–1986)
 * William Edwards (1986–1987)
 * Boake Sells (1987–1992)
 * D. Dwayne Hoven (1992–1997, last CEO)

Promotions and discount programs
Revco was well known for the slogan "You need all the Revco you can get!", its "A Friend for Life" slogan, and its senior citizen's discount program, called "Senior Shoppers" (in which customers over 65 received 10% off their purchase every Wednesday). Revco also had a discount program for customers with disabilities (called "Helping Hands") and for baby supplies (called "Baby Bunch").

At the time, it was highly unusual for a chain of Revco's size to offer such discount programs, and the chain was extremely popular with customers because of these programs. Revco may have been well ahead of its time, as its discount programs resembled today's loyalty card programs used by grocery stores and CVS. Revco had customers fill out an information card with their contact information and gave them a card to identify their participation in the discount program (though Revco did not track purchases as many loyalty card programs do today).

Revco used gymnast Mary Lou Retton as an advertising spokesperson in the 1990s, who often began commercials by saying, "And another thing..." and would end them by saying, "...and now you know. Revco."

Rite Aid now offers a similar discount program to "Senior Shoppers", called "Living More". This may be because Rite-Aid's James P. Mastrian, who is the Executive Vice President of Marketing, held the same position at Revco from 1994 to 1997.

Twins Days, a festival honoring the twin brothers who founded the city of Twinsburg, was the brainchild of Charles R. DeHaven, then Revco's Assistant Vice President of Public Relations. DeHaven planned a number of promotional events in 1976 to commemorate the nation's bicentennial. From the small gathering of 37 sets of twins that first year, the festival now attracts thousands from all over the world and makes national headlines every summer.

Prescription Access Link
Revco was one of the first drug store chains in the country to have a centralized pharmacy computer system, which it called Prescription Access Link (PAL). This system allowed each Revco access to any other Revco's prescription information. It highly advertised this system to customers, which allowed a customer to go any Revco to have their prescription refilled without the stores having to call each other on the phone. While this type of system is the norm in drug stores today, it was revolutionary when Revco used it. PAL was introduced to Revco stores during its emergence from bankruptcy.

The Revco Marathon
Revco founded and sponsored a marathon in Cleveland, which was often referred to among runners as "The Revco" (its full name was "The Revco Cleveland Marathon and 10K"). The first race took place in 1976, when jogging/running first became a national fitness craze. Famous Olympic athlete Jesse Owens fired the starting gun at the first race, which started at Western Reserve Academy in Hudson, Ohio, wound its way up Rt. 91 north through Twinsburg and Solon, and eventually ended in Cleveland. This particularly grueling course was changed in later years to begin and end at Cleveland State University. Many famous runners participated over the years, as "The Revco" became an Olympic qualifying event. After CVS bought Revco, the race became known as the "CVS Marathon and 10K" before CVS dropped its sponsorship in the early 2000s. The race was sponsored by Rite Aid until 2021, when Union Home Mortgage became the primary sponsor.

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Pura

Pura may refer to:

Places

 * Pura, Kushtagi, a village in Koppal district, Karnataka, India
 * Pura, Iran, a village in Mazandaran Province, Iran
 * Pura, Tarlac, a municipality in the Philippines
 * Pura, Switzerland, a municipality in Ticino, Switzerland
 * Pura, Chikmagalur, a settlement in Chikmagalur district, Karnataka, India
 * Pura, Pakistan, ancient capital of Gedrosia present Balochistan

People

 * Pura (given name) (including a list of people)
 * Stela Pura (born 1971), Romanian retired swimmer

Other uses

 * PURA, a human protein
 * Pura (album), an album by Mortal
 * Pura (placename element), a placename suffix used in South Asia
 * Pura (Balinese temple)
 * Pura (Crash Bandicoot), a character from Crash Bandicoot
 * Providing Urban Amenities to Rural Areas (PURA), a rural development strategy in India

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Whistle Stop (1946 film)

Whistle Stop is a 1946 American film noir crime film directed by Léonide Moguy and starring George Raft, Ava Gardner, Victor McLaglen, and Tom Conway. It was produced by Seymour Nebenzal's Nero Films and distributed by United Artists. The screenplay was written by Philip Yordan, based on a 1941 novel of the title by Maritta M. Wolff.

Plot
Away for two years, a woman named Mary (Ava Gardner) returns to her home in a small town (a 'whistle stop'). She attempts to reconcile with Kenny Veech (George Raft), her former romantic interest, but he is jealous and bitter, particularly after she takes up with Veech's mortal enemy, nightclub owner Lew Lentz (Tom Conway).

Gitlo (Victor McLaglen), a friend of Kenny's who works for Lentz, talks Kenny into a scheme to rob and kill Lentz at a train station as he leaves for Detroit, then hide his corpse to make Mary believe he chose not to return. Mary manages to foil Veech's plans, but she remains torn between the two men.

Seeking vengeance, Lentz tries to pin a murder on Veech and Gitlo, who barely make a getaway. Gitlo and Lentz end up killing one another, and Mary finds Veech recovering from a gunshot wound to the arm he had suffered while making his and Gitlo's escape. The movie ends with them arm-in-arm, walking away to live happily ever after.

Cast

 * George Raft as Kenny Veech
 * Ava Gardner as Mary
 * Victor McLaglen as Gitlo
 * Tom Conway as Lew Lentz
 * Jorja Curtright as Fran
 * Jane Nigh as Josie Veech
 * Florence Bates as Molly Veech
 * Charles Drake as Ernie
 * Charles Judels as 	Sam Veech
 * Carmel Myers as 	Estelle
 * Jimmy Conlin as 	Al - the Barber
 * Jimmy Ames as 	Mr. Barker
 * Mack Gray as Bartender
 * Robert Homans as 	Sheriff

Production
The film was based on the debut novel by 23 year old Maritta Wolff who wrote it in her senior year at the University of Michigan.

Philip Yordan bought the film rights in November 1944 and wrote a screenplay. Yordan later said "I used a small portion of the actual book and developed the story from there" because he said the book was too explicit sexually.

In February 1945 Yordan sold the project to producer Seymour Nebenzal. Yordan remained associate producer in exchange for 50% of the profits. The film was financed by a bank in Palm Springs. Ava Gardner was borrowed from MGM and Tom Conway from RKO.

Yordan said "my script was very good" but felt the producer made a mistake casting Raft. "He had been a big name around the world and he was on the skids and we could afford him, but he looked like hell and who wanted to see this old man with Ava Gardner? It should have been a young guy like Burt Lancaster."

Filming started June 29, 1945.

Box office
The film was a box office hit. It was one of a series of popular movies Raft made as a freelancer following leaving Warner Bros.

Critical response
When the film was released, film critic Bosley Crowther, dismissed it, writing, "A slice of sordid life in a small mid-Western town was somewhat faithfully reflected in Maritta Wolff's novel, Whistle Stop, but the same can't be said for the picture, based upon it, which came to the Globe on Saturday. This plainly remote and artificial concoction lacks flavor, consistency, reason and even dramatic suspense. And it is also abominably acted—which covers about everything ... The film was directed by Leonide Moguy, late of France. Don't ask us why."

Variety, however, was more positive in their review. The staff wrote, "Heavy melodrama, adapted from the Maritta M. Wolff novel of same title, is somber melodrama, vignetting a seamy side of life in a small town. Production and playing are excellent and the direction strong, although latter is given to occasional arty tone ... Gardner displays her best work to date as the girl who must have her man. McLaglen hits top form as the not too bright bartender, and Conway is smooth as the heavy. Score is an aid in projecting the somber mood."

In popular culture
In 2000, Bay-Tek Incorporated released an arcade skill-game under the name "Whistle Stop". In a 2015 interview with Noah Simmons, the artist who worked on the designs for the game, it was revealed that a main inspiration for the theme of the game was the "...elements of noir genre found in the 1946 film 'Whistle Stop' ... but most influential to the development was the train-station scene." The game borrows multiple sound effects from the film.

Streaming audio

 * Whistle Stop on Lux Radio Theater: April 15, 1946

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