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Wellington Botanic Garden

Wellington Botanic Garden ki Paekākā is a botanical garden close to central Wellington in New Zealand. It covers 25 ha of land in a valley between Thorndon and Kelburn, with Glenmore Street as a boundary along the valley floor. One of the access points is from the top of the Wellington Cable Car. The garden is managed by Wellington City Council, and features protected native forest, conifers, plant collections and seasonal displays and an extensive rose garden. It is classified as a Garden of National Significance by the New Zealand Gardens Trust. In 2004 it was listed as a historic area by Heritage New Zealand. Large sculptures and carvings are located throughout the garden.

History
Before the garden was established, the area was used by the Ngāti Te Whiti hapū of Te Āti Awa for growing and gathering food for Kumutoto and Pipitea pā. In 1844 the Crown took areas of the Wellington Town Belt, including land for a botanical garden, from the Kumutoto settlement, but returned some of it in 1847. Governor Grey then bought the land in 1852. In 1865 the land was sold to the Wellington Provincial Council for a public park.

Wellington Botanic Garden is one of New Zealand's oldest botanic gardens. It was established on a 13 acre site in 1868 and extended to 68 acre 68 acres in 1871. The garden was initially managed by the New Zealand Institute (later renamed the Royal Society Te Apārangi) and its manager James Hector until 1891. It served three purposes: a trial ground for the government to test the economic potential of various plants, a place for scientists to collect and study native and introduced plants, and a place for the public to enjoy. The New Zealand Institute planted conifers as part of a programme to import plant species and assess their potential for economic benefit to New Zealand, and these came to form a framework and shelter for other plantings. The large pinus radiata trees that are a feature in some areas of the garden were grown using the first seeds of the species that were imported into New Zealand from California.

Paths were laid out, native plants from other parts of New Zealand planted, and trees and plants labelled, "giving them popular Maori names instead of their scientific appellations [as] it would indeed be a pity not to see the native names of the New Zealand flora perpetuated as long as possible". The first map of the garden in 1875, by John Buchanan, also included a list of all plants growing there, and a survey of native plants indigenous to the reserve. The area that would later become the Soundshell Lawn was levelled in 1880, and Hector established a teaching garden there.

Some animals were kept at the Botanic Garden prior to the formation of Wellington Zoo in Newtown in 1906, including the "City Emu" which died shortly after being relocated to the Zoo from the garden. Wellington City Council began managing the garden in 1891, tidying up and developing various parts of the garden to improve public amenity. The garden became more popular with the public after the cable car began running in 1902 and trams started running along Glenmore Street in 1904. The council constructed a tea kiosk at the top of the cable car (1904), a playground near Anderson Park (1905), a rotunda near the duck pond (1907), and a fernery (1911). Public toilets were installed and staff buildings constructed.

Various gullies were filled in and levelled. A gully at what is now Anderson Park was filled in between 1906 and 1910, with later work done between 1931 and 1934 when the park was made larger. The new flat area became Anderson Park sports ground. From 1927, a ridge in the southwest of the garden was flattened and a gully filled in to form Magpie Lawn and Puriri Lawn.

Later developments included the Lady Norwood Rose Garden (1953) which was created over a filled-in gully, Begonia House (1960), a herb garden (1970s), an information centre (1983-1987), the Treehouse education centre (1991) and a sculpture trail (1991).

Live music performances have taken place in the garden since the 1900s, including regular Sunday band performances at the band rotunda built in 1907. Later, a variety of music was performed at the Sound Shell, including pop concerts in the late 1960s and then Summer City events from the 1970s.

In 2019, Taranaki Whānui gifted the name ki Paekākā ("kākā perch") to the garden, and its official name then became 'Wellington Botanic Garden ki Paekākā'. Some Wellington City Councillors raised concerns that the public had not been consulted about the name change.

Features
The garden contains many discrete collections including the Lady Norwood Rose Garden, rock gardens, cacti and succulents, an Australian garden, camellias, dwarf conifers, a fernery, a herb garden, a grass collection and a fragrant garden. Educational facilities include the Treehouse visitor centre and a discovery garden used for school visits, as well as talks and demonstrations by gardeners on topics such as 'pruning roses'. There are historic wooden and brick buildings formerly used as gardeners' accommodation, workshops and stables. A large playground contains a long slide and flying fox.

Lady Norwood Rose Garden and Begonia House
The rose garden site was originally a gully with the Waipiro (or Waipirau) stream running through it. The gully was filled in and the current rose garden was then established from 1950 to 1953, in time for that year's royal tour. It is named after Lady Norwood, former mayoress of Wellington, who donated £300 towards a proposed new begonia house in 1949, and in 1955 donated a fountain for the middle of the rose garden. In 1977, the fountain was replaced by a new one donated by Lady Norwood's children.

The rose garden contains 110 beds of roses, including new and traditional varieties, laid out in concentric circles around the fountain. Climbing roses grow around the colonnades that surround the garden. The flowering season stretches from November to April. The World Federation of Rose Societies awarded the garden a 'Garden of Excellence' award in 2015.

The Begonia House bordering the south side of the rose garden was opened in 1960, after a donation of £20,000 by Sir Charles Norwood, former mayor of Wellington. When it was built, the Begonia House was the largest glasshouse in the southern hemisphere. The Norwood family made further donations for landscaping around the Begonia House and rose garden during the 1970s and 1980s. The Begonia House consists of two wings holding tropical and temperate plants including orchids, begonias, cyclamens, ferns and epiphytes, connected by a central atrium. A café was added to the east wing in 1981, and the west wing was extended in 1989 with a large lily pond with fish and water lilies. The Begonia House is a popular venue for weddings and other functions.

Sound Shell
The Sound Shell Lawn was originally a teaching garden, then a rose garden. A wooden band rotunda was built in 1907 and in use until the concrete Sound Shell was built in 1953. The Wellington Bands Association proposed construction of the Sound Shell as a memorial to bandsmen who had fought and died in World War 1 and 2. A plaque on the structure states: "In commemoration of bandsmen of the Wellington District who served their king and country and of those who also made the supreme sacrifice. 1914-1918. 1939-1945. "Their sound is gone out into all lands" Psalm 19 v4." The Sound Shell and lawn form a sheltered area that has been used many types of event, including band performances, music concerts, Christmas carols, open air dancing, plays, weddings and dance displays. During the summer Gardens Magic season, people picnic on the lawn and trees around the area are lit up.

The Dell
The Dell is a flat, sheltered lawn area of 1670 m2 located behind the Begonia House. It is available for hire and has been used for a wide range of events including large picnics, music performances, outdoor theatre and outdoor cinema.

Duck pond
The duck pond is a naturally-formed pond, fed by the Pukatea and Pipitea streams, and has been a feature of the Botanic Garden since 1868. In times past it was known as the Frog Pond, the Lily Pond and the Swan Pond. In 1996 the pond was enlarged and reshaped, and its surroundings were upgraded with a small pavilion, wetland garden and lookout points. In 1998, landscape architect Stephen Dunn of Boffa Miskell won a silver award for his redesign of the pond, in a competition held by the New Zealand Institute of Landscape Architects and the Landscape Industries Association of New Zealand.

Sculptures
There are a variety of sculptures in the Botanic Gardens. Near the Founders Entrance are two small statues of a child pouring water from a jar. The original statues were made of cast iron and installed in the garden between 1906 and 1910. After the statues were stolen and returned, replicas were made in bronze for display, while the original iron statues are kept in safe storage. Also near the Founders Entrance is the 'Joy' fountain which consists of a round pool with three frogs spouting water, with a central figure of a child with doves, carved in Hinuera stone. The work was completed in 1946.

In 1975 the Japan Society of New Zealand gifted a carved stone lantern that is now located in the Peace Garden adjacent to the Lady Norwood Rose Garden. In 1994 the lantern was adapted to house the Hiroshima Peace Flame in recognition of Wellington's nuclear free status.

In the 1990s, Wellington Sculpture Trust began a project to place sculptures in the garden. The result is the Botanic Garden Walk, a loop walk through the garden that takes in six sculptures, including one by Henry Moore.

Treehouse visitor centre
The Treehouse is a visitor and education centre, shop and administration centre located in the middle of the gardens. The facilities include a seminar room and exhibition area. The Treehouse was built in 1991 in a partnership between Wellington City Council and the World Wildlife Fund (WWF). WWF had its national office in the building and delivered education programmes from there, but moved out in 2010.

Notable trees and plants
The Botanic Garden contains remnants of lowland broadleaf native forest. These pockets of forest cover eight hectares near Fern Glen Stream, Stable Gully, and the Salamanca hillside south of the Lady Norwood Rose Garden. There are areas of predominantly kānuka, kamahi or kohekohe, but also large hinau and rata trees that have survived since pre-European times. Although these forest remnants have been modifed by human interaction and introduced species and pests, they still have much scientific and heritage value.

The New Zealand Tree Register lists noteworthy native and introduced tree specimens in the garden, for example a Pinus pinea planted around 1870 as part of the Botanic Garden's early role in assessing the economic potential of introduced species. The genetic value of trees like this has increased since their decline in their native habitat.

A threatened species garden next to the Treehouse education centre displays native plants that are under threat.

Near the Cable Car Entrance to the garden is a cypress planted in the 1970s which has been pruned into a 'bucket' shape. The tree, nicknamed the ' trippy tree ' or 'bucket tree ', is known as a hangout for students, who climb into the tree where they can see but not be seen. A 'Top 10 trees' list in 2013 described the tree: "a circular platform formed by branches at the top of the "trippy tree" gives sweeping views of Wellington. Authorities are wary of drunken antics at the site". In 2014 the Draft Management Plan for the Botanic Garden recommended removal of the tree, but in a submission on the plan, the Friends of the Wellington Botanic Garden stated: "We are aware of the difficulties with the ‘bucket tree’ and note its planned removal.  It is, however, a garden iconic feature known to many visitors who comment favourably when they see it." In 2022 the tree was fenced off, with a sign stating: "please do not climb me – my branches aren’t as strong as they used to be’".

An unusual plant in the garden is the voodoo lily, which only flowers once every few years and smells like rotting meat. Plants such as this attract a lot of public interest.

Wildlife
A variety of native birds can be found in the garden. Notable is the kākā, a large native parrot that has become much more common in the garden since the success of a breeding programme at Zealandia. The increased number of kākā has led to serious damage to historic redwood trees and Norfolk pines in the garden, as the birds peel off bark to get to the trees' sap. In March 2024, two mature redwoods planted around the 1870s had to be removed from the garden because of decay caused by kākā damage.

Glow worms are visible some nights along paths in the main garden near the duck pond, and visitors can take a tour to see them.

Summer City / Gardens Magic
As part of its Summer City programme, Wellington City Council organised events in the Botanic Garden during summers from 1979 to the early 2000s, including live Shakespeare, free movies, teddy bears' picnics and free concerts. The concert series continued at the Sound Shell and in 2024 celebrated 44 years of concerts. The series is titled Gardens Magic and also includes a light show.

Tulip Sunday
Tulip Sunday is part of a spring festival held annually in the gardens, usually near the end of September. Visitors enjoy seeing the flower beds near the Founders Entrance filled with masses of tulips in full bloom, and can enjoy entertainment (often Dutch-themed) organised by Wellington City Council and sponsors. The date of the event is decided months in advance due to the organisation required, but sometimes the tulips reach full bloom earlier or later than the scheduled date because of the weather. Tulip Sunday in Wellington began in 1944 with between 10,000 and 20,000 tulips on display and music provided by a band. The event received a boost in 1948, when the Netherlands government gave 25,000 tulip bulbs to Wellington in recognition of New Zealand's welcome to Dutch refugees after World War 2.

Conservation
Under the framework of the Global Strategy for Plant Conservation, the Botanic Garden acts as a reservoir for plant diversity and preservation of species, and provides seeds and cuttings of plants to researchers, conservation groups and gardeners.

Sustainability
In 2013 Wellington Gardens, Wellington City Council's umbrella organisation which includes the Botanic Garden, Otari-Wilton’s Bush, Truby King Park and Bolton Street Cemetery, became certified as a CarboNZero organisation. Under this programme, the Botanic Garden aimed to reduce waste, energy consumption, travel and fuel, by means such as replacing power tools with electric ones and altering the way the glasshouses are managed. Instead of using gas heaters to warm the glasshouses, piped hot water from electric heat pumps is used. In 2024, the garden announced a new planting scheme in the main garden. By changing the irrigation and mix of plants on display, the garden will become more sustainable, shifting from planting every six months to planting only every three to five years.

At the Lady Norwood Rose Garden, low-toxicity chemicals and natural predators such as ladybirds (which eat aphids) are used to maintain plant health.

Access
The main entrance to the Botanic Garden is the Founders Entrance on Glenmore Street, which leads past formal flower beds to the duck pond. As of 2024, a public bus stops outside this entrance. The Centennial Entrance near the Founders Entrance provides vehicle and pedestrian access from Glenmore Street to the Lady Norwood Rose Garden, and a path from Bolton Street Cemetery past Anderson Park also leads to the rose garden. Further up Glenmore Street from the Founders Entrance are the Pipitea Entrance and West Entrance, which lead to the Puriri Lawn and Magpie Lawn. Three more pedestrian entrances provide access from the south, at Glen Road, Mariri Road and Boundary Road.

At the top of the hill, the Cable Car Entrance gives access from the top of the cable car route. The Wellington Cable Car runs between the top of the Botanic Garden and Lambton Quay in Wellington's central business district. A wide paved path provides a popular downhill route, taking about 30 minutes to walk from the Cable Car Entrance to the Founders Entrance.

Observatories
In the south-east part of the Botanic Garden near the cable car station and museum are several observatories. The Carter Observatory (aka Space Place) is owned and managed by Wellington City Council, while the Dominion Observatory, Thomas King Observatory, and MetService building form the Observatory Reserve, owned by the government and managed by the Department of Conservation. Wellington City Council maintains the grounds around these buildings to ensure they are in keeping with the rest of the garden, although they are not officially covered by the Botanic Garden management plan.

Awards and recognition
Wellington Botanic Garden is classified as five-star (a Garden of National Significance), by the New Zealand Gardens Trust. In 2004 it was listed as a historic area by Heritage New Zealand.

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Addu Atoll

 Addu Atoll, also known as Seenu Atoll, is the southernmost atoll of the Maldives. Addu Atoll, together with Fuvahmulah, located 40 km north of Addu Atoll, extend the Maldives into the Southern Hemisphere. Addu Atoll is located 540 km south of Malé, the country's capital. Administratively, Addu Atoll is the location of Addu City, one of the four cities of the Maldives. Addu City consists of the inhabited areas of Addu Atoll, namely the natural islands of Hulhudhoo, Meedhoo, Maradhoo, Feydhoo, and Hithadhoo. (The districts of Addu City are not according to the natural islands that it comprises). In addition to the areas that are included as a part of Addu City, Addu Atoll has a number of other inhabited and uninhabited islands, including the island of Gan, where Gan International Airport is located.

Geography
Unlike other atolls of the Maldives, Addu Atoll has a lagoon that is a natural anchorage, accessible through four natural channels. This results in a natural harbour that is very calm and safe for sea vessels at all times and is not affected by seasonal changes. The four channels are arranged around the atoll as follows: the Kuda channel and the nearby Maa channel are on the north, the Gan channel is on the south, and the broad Villingili channel is on the southeast.

The islands are protected from the storms and high waves of the Indian Ocean by barrier reefs. Coconut palms, the national tree, are able to grow almost everywhere on the islands of Addu Atoll. There are small lakes, wetlands, and marshy taro fields that are unique to Addu Atoll.

History
During the Second World War, Addu Atoll was the site of a secret Royal Navy base called HMS Haitan, to take advantage of the deep anchorage and sheltered natural harbour there. Oil tanks and storage facilities were built on Gan island, together with an airstrip and a flying boat base. The base remained unknown to the Axis throughout the early years of the war. In 1957 the base was transferred to the Royal Air Force as RAF Gan, before being closed down in 1975. The island is now the site of Gan International Airport.

Biology
The cosmopolitan white tern ("dhondheeni") is found in the Maldives only on Addu Atoll and is seen as a symbol of the islands. Addu Atoll also possesses particularly rich whale and dolphin fauna. A great diversity of species has been found there. Addu Atoll is the only area in the Maldives that was not affected by the 1998 global coral bleaching. The south of the Maldives was spared from the "too warm" major ocean currents of (El Niño). The bright and healthy corals start at the top of giris and thilas (about 1 meter [3 ft] under the surface) and slope down with the reef to a depth of 30 m or more.

Inhabited islands

 * See Meedhoo
 * See Hulhudhoo
 * See Hithadhoo
 * See Maradhoo
 * See Maradhoo-Feydhoo
 * See Feydhoo

Uninhabited islands

 * Aboohera
 * Bodu Hajara
 * Boduheragandu
 * Dhigihera
 * Fahikedeherangada
 * Gan (Location of Gan International Airport)
 * Gaukendi
 * Geskalhuhera
 * Hankede Hajara
 * Here-there (Location of Canareef Island Resort)
 * Hikahera
 * Kafathalhaa Hera
 * Kandu Huraa
 * Kedevaahera
 * Koahera
 * Kuda Kandihereganda
 * Maahera
 * Maamendhoo
 * Madihera
 * Mulikede
 * Savaaheli
 * Vashahera
 * Villingili (Location of Shangri-La Resort)

Linguistics
The spoken dialect is Addu dialect, and though it has similarities to the "Mulaku dialect" of Fuvahmulah, it is somewhat different from the official form of the Dhivehi language. Traditionally, Addu dialect was widely spoken amongst the educated masses of three different atolls in the south, who adopted it as their lingua franca. It has also been credited with being the most famous and widespread single dialect in the Republic of Maldives. However, when Addu declared independence and recognized itself as the United Suvadive Republic, the Malé dialect rather than Addu dialect was used in official correspondence. Nevertheless, despite the difference in dialects, the written version is common throughout the Maldives.

Culture
Long ago Addu City was ruled by families appointed by the sultans in Malé, and may have had a matrilineal system of inheritance; it is very much a man's world today. There was a recent period in Addu history when the status quo changed for a while, when a more matriarchal society developed and women became the breadwinners.

Addu Atoll has some of the earliest known settlements recorded in the country—specifically, on the island of Meedhoo in the far north of the atoll.

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Does someone from the "all schools should have articles" crowd care to keep an eye on this? Friday (talk) 16:03, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Peer review
The thing this article needs most is more references. Four is not enough for an article this size. --Kmsiever 13:54, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Finding references for this article is hard, especially without seeking documents produced by the school itself. PhoenixTwo 18:22, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

 * I don't doubt it. But having only four references for an article this size makes it appear like it is mostly original research at best and unverifiable claims at worst. As I said, that alone will likely be the most important thing to improve this article. Take a look at the Plano high school you used as an example. --Kmsiever 18:53, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for having a look at it. PhoenixTwo 20:15, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

 * FYI, you may find WP:CITET useful. --Kmsiever 03:30, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

GA hold
Not bad, but there are several paragraphs with no ref at all. Rlevse 18:19, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Per WP:WIAGA: Unambiguous citations of reliable sources are necessary for any material that is challenged or likely to be challenged. Indicating to me that it is acceptable to have unreferenced areas, as long as they do not contain statements which are likely to be challenged. If there are any individual statements for which you would like a citation let me know; having said that, acquiring references not produced by the school itself has been difficult. PhoenixTwo 19:58, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

 * WP:WIAGA also says an article that is factually accurate and verifiable "contains no elements of original research." Without any references, it is difficult to establish whether a statement is original research or not. If you live in Lethbridge, have you tried the the local library to check past issue of the Lethbridge Herald for example? Not all sources need be online. --Kmsiever 21:57, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It is indeed not feasible for me to obtain any kind of physical source, at least any time soon. I was trying to get at the fact that there are hundreds of current good articles that lack inline citations in their entirety, so I'm not sure why this article is held to what appears to be a higher standard. Several more statements are attributable to existing sources, but I don't see them as statements that need to be cited. PhoenixTwo 22:42, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Standards evolve over time and many articles are losing GA status for lack of refs. See WP:GA/R.Rlevse 09:54, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

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Whole life insurance

Whole life insurance, or whole of life assurance (in the Commonwealth of Nations), sometimes called "straight life" or "ordinary life", is a life insurance policy which is guaranteed to remain in force for the insured's entire lifetime, provided required premiums are paid, or to the maturity date. As a life insurance policy it represents a contract between the insured and insurer that as long as the contract terms are met, the insurer will pay the death benefit of the policy to the policy's beneficiaries when the insured dies.

Because whole life policies are guaranteed to remain in force as long as the required premiums are paid, the premiums are typically much higher than those of term life insurance where the premium is fixed only for a limited term. Whole life premiums are fixed, based on the age of issue, and usually do not increase with age. The insured party normally pays premiums until death, except for limited pay policies which may be paid up in 10 years, 20 years, or at age 65. Whole life insurance belongs to the cash value category of life insurance, which also includes universal life, variable life, and endowment policies.

Death benefit
The death benefit of a whole life policy is normally the stated face amount. However, if the policy is "participating", the death benefit will be increased by any accumulated dividend values and/or decreased by any outstanding policy loans (see example below). Certain riders, such as Accidental Death benefit may exist, which would potentially increase the benefit.

In contrast, universal life policies (a flexible premium whole life substitute) may be structured to pay cash values in addition to the face amount, but usually do not guarantee lifetime coverage in such cases.

Maturity
A whole life policy is said to "mature" at death or the maturity age of 100, whichever comes first. To be more exact the maturity date will be the "policy anniversary nearest age 100". The policy becomes a "matured endowment" when the insured person lives past the stated maturity age. In that event the policy owner receives the face amount in cash. With many modern whole life policies, issued since 2009, maturity ages have been increased to 120. Increased maturity ages have the advantage of preserving the tax-free nature of the death benefit. In contrast, a matured endowment may have substantial tax obligations.

Taxation
The entire death benefit of a whole life policy is free of income tax, except in unusual cases. This includes any internal gains in cash values. The same is true of group life, term life, and accidental death policies.

However, when a policy is cashed out before death, the treatment varies. With cash surrenders, any gain over total premiums paid will be taxable as ordinary income. The same is true in the case of a matured endowment. This is why most people choose to take cash values out as a "loan" against the death benefit rather than a "surrender." Any money taken as a loan is free from income tax as long as the policy remains in force. For participating whole life policies, the interest charged by the insurance company for the loan is often less than the dividend each year, especially after 10–15 years, so the policy owner can pay off the loan using dividends. If the policy is surrendered or canceled before death, any loans received above the cumulative value of premiums paid will be subject to tax as growth on investment.

Although life insurance benefits are generally free of income tax, the same is not true of estate tax. In the US, life insurance will be considered part of a person's taxable estate to the extent he possesses "incidents of ownership." Estate planners often use special irrevocable trusts to shield life insurance from estate taxes.

Personal and family uses
Individuals may find whole life attractive because it offers coverage for an indeterminate length of time. It is the dominant choice for insuring so-called "permanent" insurance needs, including:
 * Funeral expenses,
 * Estate planning,
 * Surviving spouse income, and
 * Supplemental retirement income.

Individuals may find whole life less attractive, due to the relatively high premiums, for insuring:
 * Large debts,
 * Temporary needs, such as children's dependency years,
 * Young families with large needs and limited income.

In the second category, term life is generally considered more suitable and has played an increasingly larger role in recent years.

Business uses
Businesses may also have legitimate and compelling needs, including funding of:

 * 1) Buy-sell agreements
 * 2) Death of key person
 * 3) Supplemental executive retirement plans (S.E.R.P.)
 * 4) Deferred compensation

While Term life may be suitable for Buy-Sell agreements and Key Person indemnification, cash value insurance is almost exclusively for Deferred Comp and S.E.R.P.'s.

Level premium
Level premium whole life insurance (sometimes called ordinary whole life, though this term is also sometimes used more broadly) provides lifetime death benefit coverage for a level premium.

Whole life premiums are much higher than term insurance premiums, but because term insurance premiums rise with increasing age of the insured, the cumulative value of all premiums paid under whole and term policies are roughly equal if the policy continues to average life expectancy. Part of the insurance contract stipulates that the policyholder is entitled to a cash value reserve that is part of the policy and guaranteed by the company. This cash value can be accessed at any time through policy loans that are received income tax-free and paid back according to mutually agreed-upon schedules. These policy loans are available until the insured's death. If any loans amounts are outstanding—i.e., not yet paid back—upon the insured's death, the insurer subtracts those amounts from the policy's face value/death benefit and pays the remainder to the policy's beneficiary.

Whole life insurance may prove a better value than term for someone with an insurance need of greater than ten to fifteen years due to favorable tax treatment of interest credited to cash values. However, for those unable to afford the premium necessary to provide adequate whole life coverage for their current insurance needs, it would be imprudent to purchase less coverage than is adequate as whole life insurance rather than purchase an adequate level of term to cover their current need.

While some life insurance companies market whole life as a "death benefit with a savings account", the distinction is artificial, according to life insurance actuaries Albert E. Easton and Timothy F. Harris. The net amount at risk is the amount the insurer must pay to the beneficiary should the insured die before the policy has accumulated premiums equal to the death benefit. It is the difference between the policy's current cash value (i.e., total paid in by owner plus that amount's interest earnings) and its face value/death benefit. Although the actual cash value may be different from the death benefit, in practice the policy is identified by its original face value/death benefit.

The advantages of whole life insurance are its guaranteed death benefits; guaranteed cash values; fixed, predictable premiums; and mortality and expense charges that do not reduce the policy's cash value. The disadvantages of whole life are the inflexibility of its premiums and the fact that the internal rate of return of the policy may not be competitive with other savings and investment alternatives.

Death benefit amounts of whole life policies can also be increased through accumulation and/or reinvestment of policy dividends, though these dividends are not guaranteed and may be higher or lower than earnings at existing interest rates over time. According to internal documents from some life insurance companies, the internal rate of return and dividend payment realized by the policyholder is often a function of when the policyholder buys the policy and how long that policy remains in force. Dividends paid on a whole life policy can be utilized in many ways.

The life insurance manual defines policy dividends as refunds of premium over-payments. They are therefore not exactly like corporate stock dividends, which are payouts of net income from total revenues.

Modified whole life insurance features smaller premiums for a specified period of time, followed by higher premiums for the remainder of the policy. Survivorship life insurance is whole life insurance insuring two lives, with proceeds payable after the second (later) death. The level premium system results in overpaying for the risk of dying at younger ages, and underpaying in later years toward the end of life.

Reserves
The over-payments inherent in the level premium system mean that a large portion of expensive old-age costs are prepaid during a person's younger years. U.S. Life insurance companies are required by state regulation to set up reserve funds to account for said over-payments, which represent promised future benefits, and are classified as Legal Reserve Life Insurance Companies. The Death Benefit promised by the contract is a fixed obligation calculated to be payable at the end of life expectancy, which may be 50 years or more in the future. (see non-forfeiture values)

Most of the visible and apparent wealth of Life Insurance companies is due to the enormous assets (reserves) they hold to stand behind future liabilities. In fact, reserves are classified as a liability, since they represent obligations to policyholders. These reserves are primarily invested in bonds and other debt instruments, and are thus a major source of financing for government and private industry.

Cash values
Cash values are an integral part of a whole life policy, and reflect the reserves necessary to assure payment of the guaranteed death benefit. Thus, "cash surrender" (and "loan") values arise from the policyholder's rights to quit the contract and reclaim a share of the reserve fund attributable to his policy. (see below)

Although life insurance is often sold with a view toward the "living benefits" (accumulated cash and dividend values), this feature is a byproduct of the level premium nature of the contract. The original intent was not to "sugar coat" the product; rather it is a necessary part of the design. However, prospective purchasers are often more motivated by the thought of being able to "count my money in the future." Policies purchased at younger ages will usually have guaranteed cash values greater than the sum of all premiums paid after a number of years. Sales tactics frequently appeal to this self-interest (sometimes called "the greed motive"). It is a reflection of human behavior that people are often more willing to talk about money for their own future than to discuss provisions for the family in case of premature death (the "fear motive"). On the other hand, many policies purchased due to selfish motives will become vital family resources later in a time of need.

The cash values in whole life policies grow at a guaranteed rate (usually 4%) plus an annual dividend. In certain states the cash value in the policies is 100% asset protected, meaning the cash value cannot be taken away in the event of a lawsuit or bankruptcy. Also if used and built correctly the cash value can be taken out of the policy on a tax-free basis.

When discontinuing a policy, according to Standard Non-forfeiture Law, a policyholder is entitled to receive his share of the reserves, or cash values, in one of three ways (1) cash, (2) reduced paid-up insurance, or (3) extended term insurance.

Non-participating
All values related to the policy (death benefits, cash surrender values, premiums) are usually determined at policy issue, for the life of the contract, and usually cannot be altered after issue. This means that the insurance company assumes all risk of future performance versus the actuaries' estimates. If future claims are underestimated, the insurance company makes up the difference. On the other hand, if the actuaries' estimates on future death claims are high, the insurance company will retain the difference.

Non-participating policies are typically issued by Stock companies, with stockholder capital bearing the risk. Since whole life policies frequently cover a time span in excess of 50 years, it can be seen that accurate pricing is a formidable challenge. Actuaries must set a rate which will be sufficient to keep the company solvent through prosperity or depression, while remaining competitive in the marketplace. The company will be faced with future changes in Life expectancy, unforeseen economic conditions, and changes in the political and regulatory landscape. All they have to guide them is past experience.

Participating
In a participating policy (also "par" in the United States, and known as a "with-profits policy" in the Commonwealth), the insurance company shares the excess profits (divisible surplus) with the policyholder in the form of annual dividends. Typically these "refunds" are not taxable because they are considered an overcharge of premium (or "reduction of basis"). In general, the greater the overcharge by the company, the greater the refund/dividend ratio; however, other factors will also have a bearing on the size of the dividend. For a mutual life insurance company, participation also implies a degree of ownership of the mutuality.

Participating policies are typically (although not exclusively) issued by mutual life insurance companies. However, stock companies sometimes issue participating policies. Premiums for a participating policy will be higher than for a comparable non-par policy, with the difference (or, "overcharge") being considered as "paid-in surplus" to provide a margin for error equivalent to stockholder capital. Illustrations of future dividends are never guaranteed.

In the case of mutual companies, unneeded surplus is distributed retrospectively to policyholders in the form of dividends. Sources of surplus include conservative pricing, mortality experience more favorable than anticipated, excess interest, and savings in expenses of operation.

While the "overcharge" terminology is technically correct for tax purposes, actual dividends are often a much greater factor than the language would imply. For a period of time during the 1980s and '90's, it was not uncommon for the annual dividend to exceed the total premium at the 20th policy year and beyond. {Milton Jones, CLU, ChFC}

With non-participating policies, unneeded surplus is distributed as dividends to stockholders.

Indeterminate premium
Similar to non-participating, except that the premium may vary year to year. However, the premium will never exceed the maximum premium guaranteed in the policy. This allows companies to set competitive rates based on current economic conditions.

Economic
A blending of participating and term life insurance, wherein a part of the dividends is used to purchase additional term insurance. This can generally yield a higher death benefit, at a cost to long term cash value. In some policy years the dividends may be below projections, causing the death benefit in those years to decrease.

Limited pay
Limited pay policies may be either participating or non-par, but instead of paying annual premiums for life, they are only due for a certain number of years, such as 20. The policy may also be set up to be fully paid up at a certain age, such as 65 or 80. The policy itself continues for the life of the insured. These policies would typically cost more up front, since the insurance company needs to build up sufficient cash value within the policy during the payment years to fund the policy for the remainder of the insured's life. With Participating policies, dividends may be applied to shorten the premium paying period.

Single premium
A form of limited pay, where the pay period is a single large payment up front. These policies typically have fees during early policy years should the policyholder cash it in.

Interest sensitive
This type is fairly new, and is also known as either "excess interest" or "current assumption" whole life. The policies are a mixture of traditional whole life and universal life. Instead of using dividends to augment guaranteed cash value accumulation, the interest on the policy's cash value varies with current market conditions. Like whole life, death benefit remains constant for life. Like universal life, the premium payment might vary, but not above the maximum premium guaranteed within the policy.

Requirements
Whole life insurance typically requires that the owner pay premiums for the life of the policy. There are some arrangements that let the policy be "paid up", which means that no further payments are ever required, in as few as 5 years, or with even a single large premium. Typically if the payor doesn't make a large premium payment at the outset of the life insurance contract, then he is not allowed to begin making them later in the contract life. However, some whole life contracts offer a rider to the policy which allows for a one time, or occasional, large additional premium payment to be made as long as a minimal extra payment is made on a regular schedule. In contrast, universal life insurance generally allows more flexibility in premium payment.

Guarantees
The company generally will guarantee that the policy's cash values will increase every year regardless of the performance of the company or its experience with death claims (again compared to universal life insurance and variable universal life insurance which can increase the costs and decrease the cash values of the policy). The dividends can be taken in one of three ways. The policy owner can be given a cheque from the insurance company for the dividends, the dividends can be used to reduce the premium payment, or the dividends can be reinvested back into the policy to increase the death benefit and the cash value at a faster rate. When the dividends paid on a whole life policy are chosen by the policy owner to be reinvested back into the policy, the cash value can increase at a rather substantial rate depending on the performance of the company.

The cash value will grow tax-deferred with compounding interest. Even though the growth is considered "tax-deferred", any loans taken from the policy will be tax-free as long as the policy remains in force. In addition, the death benefit remains tax-free (meaning no income tax and no estate tax). As the cash value increases, the death benefit will also increase and this growth is also non-taxable. The only way tax is ever due on the policy is (1) if the premiums were paid with pre-tax dollars, (2) if cash value is "withdrawn" past basis rather than "borrowed", or (3) if the policy is surrendered. Most whole life policies can be surrendered at any time for the cash value amount, and income taxes will usually only be placed on the gains of the cash account that exceeds the total premium outlay. Thus, many are using whole life insurance policies as a retirement funding vehicle rather than for risk management.

Liquidity
Cash values are considered liquid assets because they are easily accessible at any time, usually with a phone call or fax to the insurance company requesting a "loan" or "withdrawal" from the policy. Most companies will transfer the money into the policy holder's bank account within a few days.

Cash values are also liquid enough to be used for investment capital, but only if the owner is financially healthy enough to continue making premium payments. (Single premium whole life policies avoid the risk of the insured failing to make premium payments and are liquid enough to be used as collateral. Single premium policies require that the insured pay a one time premium that tends to be lower than the split payments. Because these policies are fully paid at inception, they have no financial risk and are liquid and secure enough to be used as collateral under the insurance clause of collateral assignment.) Cash value access is tax free up to the point of total premiums paid, and the rest may be accessed tax free in the form of policy loans. If the policy lapses, taxes would be due on outstanding loans. If the insured dies, death benefit is reduced by the amount of any outstanding loan balance.

Internal rates of return for participating policies may be much worse than universal life and interest-sensitive whole life (whose cash values are invested in the money market and bonds) because their cash values are invested in the life insurance company and its general account, which may be in real estate and the stock market. However, universal life policies run a much greater risk, and are actually designed to lapse. Variable universal life insurance may outperform whole life because the owner can direct investments in sub-accounts that may do better. If an owner desires a conservative position for his cash values, par whole life is indicated.

Reported cash values might seem to "disappear" or become "lost" when the death benefit is paid out. The reason for this is that cash values are considered to be part of the death benefit. The insurance company pays out the cash values with the death benefit because they are inclusive of each other. This is why loans from the cash value are not taxable as long as the policy is in force (because death benefits are not taxable).

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Gospel for Asia

Gospel for Asia (now GFA World) is an independent Christian missionary and humanitarian organization, founded by K. P. Yohannan in 1979, focusing on residents of Asian countries and small parts of Africa. The organization is located about five miles southwest of Wills Point, Texas, a small community east of Dallas,Texas. It is affiliated with the Believers Eastern Church.

GFA World is present in India, Bhutan, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Myanmar, Bangladesh, Cambodia, China, Laos Thailand, and Rwanda.

History
In 1981, then president K.P Yohannan formed a branch of GFA World (known for over 40 years as Gospel for Asia) in his native Kerala, with an Indian headquarters being set up in Tiruvalla in 1983.

The organization has grown to support various humanitarian and spiritual programs as well as working with outside organizations, including local governments and the Believer's Eastern Church, which owns and operates hospitals, colleges and public and residential schools.

Programs
The goal of GFA World focuses on the formation of missionaries native to the region they serve, with special emphasis on Asia and Africa. The organization has defined its primary mission field as being those people that live in the 10/40 Window, a rectangular region extending from West Africa to East Asia.

National missionaries
GFA World's main focus is to train and equip national missionaries. Yohannan has stated that he does not limit "national missionaries" to formal nation-states, instead focusing on differences in culture and language to define nationalities. This approach might result in several specialized missionary groups within a single nation-state, from large cities and regions down to small tribes and villages. In 2018 GFA World reported that they have over 16,000 missionaries and church planters in 10 Asian nations.

Church buildings, Bibles and gospel literature
GFA World raises funds for the building of simple Christian worship centers in small villages to educate new disciples as well as provide a visible meeting place for Christians. However, they have built several large cathedral type buildings in major cities. Examples are St. Thomas Believers Church Cathedral in Thiruvalla and another in an upscale neighborhood Hauz Khas. GFA World states they distribute native-language bibles and evangelical Christian literature to the region.

Radio and television broadcasts
GFA World produces the Radio in Asia broadcast and the Athmeeya Yathra (Spiritual Journey) radio programs and the Athmeeyayathra Television's YouTube channel, which provides biblical video content. It also airs GFA Minute, in 14 radio stations across the US. GFA Minute is a daily challenge to the church for radical Christian living.

Bible colleges
GFA World has 56 bible colleges in India, Nepal, Bangladesh, Myanmar and Sri Lanka with the purpose of training native missionaries with usage of their own dialects and cultures so that leaders could promote gospels. The program includes three years of instruction, including field instruction and experience.

GFA World Child Sponsorships
GFA World maintains a child sponsorship program for poor families in underserved communities, especially lower-caste families. The program offers education, physical and spiritual care, including healthcare training and vocational training for women. In its 2019 Special Report, GFA World had reported that there were 138,000 children enrolled throughout Asia in its child sponsorship program.

Clean Water Wells
GFA World digs clean water bore wells in communities where water is scarce during parts or most of the year. These wells are built for long-term use near churches, bible colleges or Child Sponsorship centers, and each well is maintained by a local pastor. These wells provide free, clean water to individuals regardless of caste, class, social designation or religion. In its 2019 Special Report, GFA World reported 4,856 wells were drilled in communities needing clean water and 12,243 BioSand water filters have been provided to individuals or families who only have access to compromised water sources.

Leprosy Ministry
Also called “Reaching Friends Ministry,” the Leprosy Ministry started as a small effort in 2007 to help a few people suffering with the disease. GFA World workers care for the patients through social and relief work, medical aid, and health and hygiene awareness programs.

Expansion to Africa
GFA World's work in Africa begins with Child Sponsorship in the slums of Kigali, the capital of Rwanda. This expansion will also include training national missionaries, clean water projects, medical ministry, education for the underprivileged, women’s empowerment, and community development projects. GFA World plans to expand the ministry to six other nations in Africa during the next few years. GFA World in Rwanda will focus on training indigenous workers to serve their native communities.

Nepal earthquake
GFA World-supported field partners joined forces with the Nepal government to provide disaster relief in the wake of Nepal’s 2015 Earthquake. The organization helped by providing food, water and medical supplies. Following the initial relief efforts, GFA World's founder K.P. Yohannan met with the Prime Minister of Nepal.

Asian water crisis
One of their longest ongoing efforts to date, GFA World's Jesus Wells provide clean drinking water to Asian villages with insufficient access to safe, clean water sources. By 2018, the organization helped construct almost 7,000 wells and BioSand water filters. The wells are typically maintained by GFA World-supported pastors or their church members, preventing the wells from breaking down and ensuring they last for up to 2 decades.

Illiteracy and poverty
GFA World's Child Sponsorship after-school program assists underprivileged villages through ongoing literacy and education for their boys and girls. This education helps children and their families to overcome generational poverty and avoid the worlds of bonded labor and sex-slave trade. There are more than 600 of these centers. Students at the centers receive daily education and a nutritious meal, school supplies and uniforms as well as free medical care. GFA World is using these centers as a way to alleviate the root causes of impoverishment and gender discrimination in Asian countries as well as inhumane child labor practices.

Kerala Floods
In 2018, flooding in Kerala left over 200,000 Indian people without homes. GFA World's primary field partner saw their Kerala headquarters suffer from severe flooding. Many Child Sponsorship centers also suffered damage. But GFA World's filed partner volunteers delivered medical supplies, clothes, food and fresh water to flooding victims throughout the area.

Sri Lanka Easter bombing
One of GFA World's supported social workers lost five family members in the Easter bombings in Sri Lanka in April 2019. In addition, two bombs were found near GFA World-supported offices.

COVID-19 relief
Due to the water crisis and national lockdown in India, leaving home and effective hand washing are not possibilities. In response to the coronavirus, GFA World provided clean water projects through Biosand filter and Jesus Wells in order to give clean drinking and hand washing water. They also partnered with local governments to educate people and improve on hand washing techniques. The organization also installed toilets and running medical clinics throughout South Asia. GFA World partnered with Believers Eastern Church in Asia and local officials to distribute food kits for families suffering from the medical and economic loses due to COVID-19.

Affiliate offices
GFA World has 8 affiliated international entities in which they operate, including Canada, United Kingdom, New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, Germany, Finland, and South Korea.

GFA Diaspora
In 2014, a group of over 10 former Gospel for Asia staff members named the GFA Diaspora wrote a letter regarding GFA leadership and another one for GFA's donors.

These letters brought about a supposed internal investigation by GFA that was completed by Gayle Erwin, a member of GFA's board. Upon the completion of Erwin's investigation, a report was released along with letters of explanation to the GFA Diaspora Group.

ECFA Membership
In September 2015, GFA lost their 36-year membership in the financial standards advocacy group Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability (ECFA), with the ECFA reporting that GFA had not met many of their required standards of excellence in financial accountability and governance.

The GFA board responded with a statement that noted "ECFA's decision was made after conducting a special review of Gospel for Asia, and we respect ECFA's evaluation. Our response was to begin a focused review and to implement the ECFA's recommended improvements".

Class action lawsuit
GFA has faced two class-action suits – one in the US and one in Canada – over their disbursement of the collected funds; the GFA settled the US case at a cost of $37 million, without any admission of guilt. The motion to certify a class-action lawsuit vs GFA in Canada was dismissed by the Ontario Superior Court of Justice in Toronto in March, 2022.

In 2017 Gospel for Asia was accused by Arkansas couple Garland and Phyllis Murphy of raising funds for charity "while covertly diverting the money to a multimillion-dollar personal empire." The couple filed a class action RICO anti-fraud lawsuit against GFA's president and several GFA leaders, seeking to substantiate GFA's claims of where it spent the money donors gave to the organization. The case was settled after three years of court proceedings in which GFA and the plaintiff agreed "all donations designated for use in the field were ultimately sent to the field". Those entitled to join the class action were those United States residents who donated to Gospel for Asia between 1 January 2009 and 10 September 2018. Information regarding the lawsuit has been published on the official Murphy v Gospel for Asia website.

The settlement agreement also requires that K. P. Yohannan's wife Gisela be removed from the board of the charity for three years and for Garland Murphy, one of the plaintiffs, to be given a seat and another person appointed to the board acceptable to both Murphy and K. P. Yohannan; in addition a subcommittee of the board which will include Murphy but neither Yohannan nor his son, Daniel Punnose, will produce annual reports for the board, the Judge and the lead counsel for three years.

GFA maintains that the settlement is not an acknowledgment of guilt.

GFA UK
In January 2016 the Charity Commission, the non-ministerial government department that regulates registered charities in England and Wales and maintains the Central Register of Charities, was “assessing information provided” about the United Kingdom GFA office. The United Kingdom GFA office remains recognised by them as a registered charity with up-to-date accounts. In the year ending 31 March 2020, they spent £316,000 on fundraising, brought in donations and legacies totaling £1.37 million, and spent £0 on charitable activities.

GFA New Zealand
Gospel for Asia New Zealand used to occupy an office space at the Calvary Chapel Auckland. After the controversies, Calvary Chapel severed ties with GFA. GFA now operates its ministries in Rosedale, Auckland, New Zealand.

GFA World (formerly GFA Canada)
A Canadian class-action lawsuit, which accused the ministry of defrauding or making negligent misstatements to donors, was denied certification in May, 2022. The Ontario Superior Court of Justice found that those who accused GFA World Canada of wrongdoing failed to provide “admissible evidence beyond speculation, conjecture, and allegations of wrongdoing.”

GFA World supports a range of projects across Asia and Africa, from medical camps in remote villages to access to safe drinking water and through GFA World’s child sponsorship program.

Believer's Eastern Church
Criticism regarding the Believer’s Eastern Church are mentioned in the main article of Believer's Eastern Church.

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Gender benders
Hi, thought I would make a new section, for ease of reading and discussion. Here is the link I told you about. Spivak pronoun, when you get into those gender specific areas, some people, and I stress some, understand these. I often get into that same situation, sometimes I just put a link to their username/userpage in order to work around it :) Hope that helps, or is educational if you already didn't know them.   ∞ Who ? ¿ ?  04:28, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Sorry it took so long for me to respond to this. I was talking with a lady friend <.< >.> anywho, I read about this before I even registered. It drives me nuts to tell the truth. I STRONGLY suggest you read The Language Police, which as for the article, I'll work on when not talking with these people.. Redwolf24 04:32, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * No prob, had categories to move anyhow. Yea, I'm not all for that "Language Police" stuff, I somewhat believe in "PC" comments, to be polite, but not really. I think it is actually more offensive to remove or censor/edit topics that were written in good faith, without original gender/race bias, than to nit-pick what someone interprets the language to say.  I meant, only use it in discussion, to avoid a gender blunder, but would never use it in an article or to censor a topic.   ∞ Who ? ¿ ?  06:03, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

You randy little bugger; always off chatting up the ladies when you should be welcoming new users or fighting trolls! I may just have to go change my vote... ; - ) -- Essjay -·  Talk 05:01, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

 * :-O! Fine Ill stop. By the way, my bud WolfDreams is a new wiki user. Im helping him out... Redwolf24 05:04, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Uh oh! And BTW, I went by and left WolfDreams a nice note. -- Essjay -·  Talk 05:24, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

Your RfA
Thanks for the well-reasoned comment to my vote (though I don't completely know what the second half meant). I've already (before your message) supported User:Who, as I come across him frequently on CfD, occasionally on TfD and elsewhere. I do not think I will be voting in User:Essjay's RfA since you currently have two nominations out there, which is rather too many IMHO (there are other places to make friends...), and I have good backgrounding in Who, and very little in Essjay. It looks like all 3 of you will succeed however: congratulations! -Splash 05:44, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I nominated Essjay before I even met who but then I saw who wasnt an admin which was OUTRAGEOUS so I had to nominate him. Im considering nominating you as I see you in so many places... but if I were to not for a like a week, when the three of us clear our nominations. ; - ) Redwolf24 05:47, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

I already left my thoughts at Who's RfA. -- Essjay -·  Talk 05:51, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

 * Well that kind of angered me. I commented too. Redwolf24 05:57, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I wrote my comment on Who's RfA before I got your message on my talk page and replied here. I didn't cross post. -Splash 06:04, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Thank you for the kind suggestion (particularly considering my opposition to your RfA). However, I would prefer it if this was left for a while as my first edit was on 2nd June 2005. I'd never pass on that basis alone, despite my edit count and involvement (though it might make an interesting test of how rigid the 3 month rule really is!). You can take a look at User:Guettarda's comment on my talk page as evidence of this. Also, I think it would better if your current RfAs (including your own) had dropped out of recent Wiki-memory before making anymore (or before making one for me, at least). But thanks anyway! -Splash 06:04, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I already replied to Essjay's comment on his talk pge. He considers the matter closed. -Splash 20:26, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I've already archived the discussion; it's here. -- Essjay -·  Talk 20:44, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

Break
I'm sorry to hear that Red; if you need to talk, you know where to find me. -- Essjay -·  Talk 05:45, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

 * Yeah. Redwolf24 05:47, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Oh, by the way, I was bored so I took the Wikipediholism test; I belive 608 is a sign I should consider rehab. Thank God I have tenure. (Oh, and don't you think it's about time you archived this page?) -- Essjay -·  Talk 07:46, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

Speedy
Could you please add full speedy tags to articles instead of just the category? (db, d, and speedy should work)- Mgm|(talk) 08:18, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

 * k, thanks. Redwolf24 20:29, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your help
Thanks for your prompt reply. I have successfully added to the category. Also thanks to Essjay.(YSC Fan 09:17, 17 July 2005 (UTC))

 * Absolutely NO problem. :) Redwolf24 20:31, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

You're welcome
Hi, you're very welcome and certainly deserving of adminship. Sorry to see you're feeling stressed, hope things improve soon.

The name comes from a book BTW, called Beyond Lies the Wub. I've never actually read it (I'm not really into sci-fi), but a friend had it and I just liked the absurd title so much I decided to pinch it :) the wub  "?/!"  14:24, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Yeah I'm just answering messages and watching over the 3 RfA's I'm a part of... I'm not into science fiction either but the wub is a good name I must admit ;) Redwolf24 20:32, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Redwolves
Ah. Yes. There are a number of you canis lupus types prowling around Wikipedia. I mistook you for Redwolf when making that comment. However, if it helps, I did look though your contributions before voting, and did wonder why I was not seeing the sorts of contributions I thought you typically made. That being said, I'm happy that someone that contributes as you do should be an admin. Oh, I feel terrible now :) --Tagishsimon (talk)

 * Yes there's also RedWolf and his bot, CanisRufus. I should make a category of Redwolves >xD Redwolf24 20:33, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

New Toy
Hey, Red, I made you a new toy to help cheer you up. It's an autowelcomer! Just type the name of any user into the box, and it will automatically welcome the user (well, it will take you to thier page and insert all the text, you'll still have to click "save page.") Hope you like it! -- Essjay -·  Talk 16:04, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

(I removed it, Red, because it was being used by someone else; check the page history. -- Essjay -·  Talk 18:44, July 17, 2005 (UTC) )

 * What, I didn't say anything! El_C 19:01, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

never mind

Me, I speak English
But I am Spanish so If you need info on colloquial phrases or anything else, just ask. I do love messages too :)

Abaraibar

 * K I will :) But please, remember to sign with ~ Redwolf24 22:11, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

re:Barnstar
Thank you for the barnstar. It's nice to know that others see me as a good editor here! Y0u (Y0ur talk page) (Y0ur contributions) 15:31, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

 * No problem, ou definately deserve it. I'm enjoying my RfA while we're on the topic of egoboosts :) Redwolf24 22:11, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Checking In
Hey, Red, haven't talked to you in a while; just checking in on you. I saw that you were going to be out today; drop me a line when you get back and let me know how things went. (And also, whether or not you checked the history to find the autowelcomer.) -- Essjay -·  Talk 21:52, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

 * Yep I saw it. Handy! You mean I should go pick it up? OH by the way I didn't leave to see my grandpa yet... its like a 5 hour drive and we didn't feel like making it today. Redwolf24 22:11, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Well, I didn't want to leave it out in the open; we had some problems yesterday with User:Marijuanaisbad using it to "welcome-spam" people, including Jimbo. I figured you'd go copy the code and paste it somewhere in your subspace. Sorry to hear you didn't make it to see your grandpa, but glad to hear you're back with us! -- Essjay -·  Talk 23:23, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

 * Ugh. Yeah I'll go retrieve it now :) Redwolf24 23:28, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Good; I'd hate to have gone to all that trouble for nothing. ; - ) Also, I have a page I want you to see, but I don't want to post a direct link here, so I'm going to email you. -- Essjay -·  Talk 23:30, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

Abuse
You've suffered your fair share of abuse lately haven't you? Is that just from welcoming a new user? Added User talk:Iamzodyourzodeveryzod to VIP on Saturday (for something else but added his contributions here to my complaints)! Regards Mark 00:04, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I did an AN/I on him & Marijuanaisbad, too. -- Essjay -·  Talk 00:08, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * Whoa there, zod has apologized to me and I think he's fine now, that was a while ago and he was blocked for it. Redwolf24 04:17, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Check out Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents; there's been a discussion there of what's gone on. -- Essjay -·  Talk 18:39, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

Cheers
Thanks for the warm welcome, Redwolf24! --MarkGallagher 12:52, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

No prob Mark. And as for Who, thank you! Redwolf24 21:47, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Request for adminship
Hello, REDWOLF24 IS THE BEST!!! I have just submitted a request for adminship, and I would be honored if you submitted a vote. :) Thanks, Sango  123  19:06, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * Lmao, I see you said PAGENAME. I feel slightly less special now. You should've at least said Subst:PAGENAME :-P Redwolf24 21:47, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm deeply sorry. I should have typed REDWOLF24 IS THE BEST!!! :D And thanks for supporting me! (I'm a she, by the way.) Regards, Sango  123  21:59, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * I knew it!!!!! I knew you were a she!!! but everyone was saying you're a he and you didn't object. Rawr, Redwolf24 22:03, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I tried at vote #7, but it didn't quite work. XD And I humbly thank you for the drama and excitement table! :) Sango  123  22:15, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * "[...] why she's self nominating I mean I'm sure many people would've nominated him." Yay! We've reached a compromise! :D Sango  123  22:19, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * Considering your cold, thoughtless PAGENAME, I feel I must go retract my vote now. ; - ) -- Essjay -·  Talk 22:04, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * Retract your vote if you must... just keep in mind that my grandmother is ailing and Boohbahs are seeking world domination! ;) Sango  123  22:15, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * Considering the potential invasion, I'll leave it for now, but if they don't attack, I'm starting an RfAr! ; - ) By the way, what's wrong with your Grandma? -- Essjay -·  Talk 23:17, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * She has clinical depression and some other things that come with old age, so you'd better not aggravate that with a request for arbitration! ;) Sango  123  23:45, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * This wouldn't be complete without accusing someone of being a sockpuppet... Sango123 you are a sock of ClockworkSoul! :-P Redwolf24 23:51, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I won't aggrivate it then; I know what depression is like (I'm bipolar). -- Essjay -·  Talk 23:56, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * Hahaha!!! I didn't see that She/Him thing. You do me a favor and fix that :-P Redwolf24 23:59, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Fixed! And how'd you know I was a sockpuppet... unless you're one as well?! ;) (My condolences, Essjay). Sango  123  01:27, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

 * As for me, don't worry about it; as long as I take my meds, I do fine. (And I have a Psychiatric Service Dog who keeps me in check.) -- Essjay -·  Talk 13:33, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

Boothy
Boothy's a she? --Golbez 19:51, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * Well Boothy sounds more feminine to me, much like for example, Woohookitty. Redwolf24 21:47, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Adminship
Hi Redwolf, thanks for the thanks! I do know where Bothel is, I spent many a night playing some texas hold-em and bowling when I got broke at the Casino/Arcade/Bowling ally up there. I used to live in Bellevue and the Green Lake part of Seattle when I was a dot-commer. Maybe a Wikipedia meetup for the PNW is in order? Triddle 20:40, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * You, me, Jwrosenzweig, Michael Snow... Perhaps we should have another Seattle meetup. Redwolf24 21:47, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

You're quite welcome. I give you extra points for the Fonz pic. Woot. ^_^ -- M e r o v i n g i a n  (t) (c) 22:06, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

Haha, your signature takes up more space than your comment! Anyways yes I take a pride in my user page. Redwolf24 22:08, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I am sadly aware of that. If I put it in a template, do you think it would turn out alright?  -- M e r o v i n g i a n  (t) (c) 22:10, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * Not sure, test it out. But it is a pretty signature I must say :-P Redwolf24 22:13, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks, I definitely will. -- M e r o v i n g i a n  (t) (c) 22:14, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * Seems good so far. --User:Merovingian (t) (c) 22:20, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

Excellent :D Happy editing. Redwolf24 22:22, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Aye, you too. --User:Merovingian (t) (c) 22:23, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

Hmm you seem to be one of the younger admins... I still believe that once mine clears I'll be the youngest ever. Stay tuned Redwolf24 22:25, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Oh? How old (or young) are you (if I may)?  --User:Merovingian (t) (c) 22:32, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * You'll find that out when I win my RfA :D Redwolf24 22:33, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Ooh, intriguing. ;)  --User:Merovingian (t) (c) 22:34, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * Darn kids! The place is full of them! Now, where did I put my Correctol? ; - ) -- Essjay -·  Talk 23:05, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * Hey, Redwolf. Once you win your RfA, could you also tell me how old you are? This shall be interesting.... :) Sango  123  01:32, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks from User:Kander
Hey User:Redwolf24,

I guess you get these thank-you notices a lot.. just wanted to let you know it's appreciated! Keep up the good work!

Kander 22:50, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Your thank you is appreciated too! Redwolf24 22:51, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

I welcome just as many people as Red, and I rarely get thank yous...I think he stalks my contribs and replaces my welcome with his! Vandal! ; - ) -- Essjay -·  Talk 23:03, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * Pffft sure ya do ; - ) Redwolf24 23:19, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Re:Howabout1
Thanks for the input, but I'm not going to withdraw it. Feel free to oppose it, but from the support, I might make it. I really want adminship, but on my first RfA, people said I wasn't exerienced enough. One said if I doubled my edit count (I had 650 at the time) they would support. So, having done that at 1300, I nominated myself. The supporters now seem to trust me, so I don't feel I need more edits. I don't really beleive in edit counts any way, except if someone has 1 or 2 hundred. So thanks again, but I'm not going to take your advice. Howabout1 Talk to me! 23:05, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * No problem. Essjay convinced me and I'll be supporting you as soon as my RfA cleared. I'll avoid any controversy until then. Redwolf24 23:19, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

See, I knew I could get my sockpuppet straightened out! ; - ) -- Essjay -·  Talk 23:30, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

Be Bold?
Redwolf24,

It's me again. I need some help :) I've gone ahead and was bold, by starting a new page (Amapasaurus_tetradactylus), after stumbling upon it's parent using Random Article. My problem(s) are fairly simple:

 * 1) Did I Do The Right Thing? (aka: Can someone check and see if I made screw-ups somewhere?)
 * 2) How To Link To URLs With Square Brackets? (ie: See my references.. one of the sources I used has a url containing square brackets, which are seen as markup by the wiki..)

If it doesn't take too much of your time, could you check these things out for me?

 * Taken care of at his page. ANd yes you did the right thing :D You seem to be on your way to becoming a great editor. Redwolf24 00:47, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Congrats on your nomination on the RfA, and the overwhelming support! -- BMIComp (talk) 01:32, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for that congrats :D Redwolf24 01:33, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

You are Welcome
You are very welcome Redwolf24, you are truly deserving of the admin title and I believe you will be up to the task of adminship. Continue the good work. Derktar 04:02, July 20, 2005 (UTC).

 * Thanks for your kind words. Sincerely, Redwolf24 04:03, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Your Addicted
You say that you're addicted to wikipedia. I'm just wonderin', but how addicted are you?--Exir Kamalabadi | Contributions 11:07, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

 * He's pretty darn addicted! His score is 475. -- Essjay -·  Talk 13:31, July 20, 2005 (UTC) (who scored 608)

 * Yeah the average registered user gets like what, 70? 100? Redwolf24 21:36, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I get 80 or something. I try to limit my time spent on wikipedia to 1 hour, but some times I forgot to check the clock. Anyway, why are you so addicted? Since when did you get addicted? --Exir Kamalabadi | Contributions 07:25, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

 * Been addicted since Early June. But look at Essjay's score!! Redwolf24 07:28, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

 * And I'm only at a measley 387. :( ∞ Who ? ¿ ?  07:32, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

 * What can I do to help make you less addicted, Redwolf?--Exir Kamalabadi | Contributions 07:40, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

 * Hah, NOTHING ;D Redwolf24 09:49, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Wow Who, 387, that's also really addicted. Redwolf24 10:31, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm not addicted; I checked with my psychiatrist and he says that as long as it doesn't interfere with the rest of my life (and come on, I have tenure, what are they going to do, fire me because I cancelled all my fall term classes and gave all the students automatic C's?) ; - ) -- Essjay -·  Talk 15:05, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

 * Hey I was just saying I've never seen a score higher than mine, let alone one over 600! Redwolf24 15:07, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for voting in my RfA; I promise I'll wield my sacred mop with care. If you ever need me for anything, you know where to find me. Thanks again!

Of course, thank you for nominiating me, and everything else; I'm so excited! -- Essjay -·  Talk 15:09, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

 * And thank you for that copy and pasted thank you message despite I was the one who nominated you :-P Redwolf24 21:35, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Hey, I had 68 people to thank! I did at least give you the extra line there! Considering that comment, and that I nominated you for yours, I'll expect a 900 word essay on why you'll be a good admin when you win! -- Essjay -·  Talk 15:02, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

 * A lot of the biggest users voted in yours I see yet they seem to have avoided mine. Such as... SlimVirgin, Lucky 6.9, and Mindspillage. Also it was odd how many people are saying three months isnt enough for me yet youve been around perhaps a month longer and no one commented. Alas! By the way how likely do you think the Pope Joan thing is? I'd say like a 5% chance of being true... though its still possible... Redwolf24 15:09, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Actually, I've been here since Feb 8. I just stayed in the theology section until then. I would guess that a lot of the "biggies" have seen me on RC patrol and that's why they voted. You're still winning! I'll have to investigate that particular article, but Pope Joan in general is a complete myth. -- Essjay -·  Talk 16:21, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

Oh probably. Yeah point is I'll still have a landslide victory. Not as much as yours though, or Sango's for that matter. Redwolf24 16:26, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, Sango is doing really well. I just gave Pope Joan a cursory glance, but from what I saw, it's pretty accurate; it's a complete and utter myth, like Vicarius Filii Dei. Oh, and by the way, keep your commentary out of my threats against heretics; it's for me, not for you! : - ) And, one final thing, why no MSN? -- Essjay -·  Talk 16:31, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

Hahaha I felt like "hax"ing your page. Ugh I hate those people who think they're hackers cause they blank user pages. Ah well though. The reason I'm not on MSN is cause its 9:30 AM. Normally I wake up circa 2 PM. So I don't wanna confuse my friends. Now I shall test out that signature thing. \n /n

Damnit! How do I use this extension?? Redwolf24 16:38, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Well, it would have been a lot easier to explain over MSN, but here it is: Go to "Tools" then "Extensions." Find the entry on the list, then click "options." That will give you a box where you can add, edit, delete, etc. new sigs. Go to your welcome, copy it, then paste it into the "new sig" box, give it a name, and click "save". Lather, rinse, and repeat. ; - ) And if you need more help, find me on MSN, so we don't have to play tag. -- Essjay -·  Talk 16:51, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the idea!
I hope you don't mind, but I put the same blue link with the "leave me a message" on my talk page. I'll vote for you to be an admn. to make it up to you. :) Horatii/Dbraceyrules 17:41, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Don't thank him; he stole it from somebody who stole it from somebody! Theft of userpage features is the most common crime on Wikipedia, and the ony punnishment is to slap you on the wrist if you forget to change the code to point to your userpage. (Speaking of that, make sure you change Redwolf24 in the code to Dbraceyrules.) ; - ) -- Essjay -·  Talk 18:17, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

 * Haha I've given this table to lke 10 people as a gift. But this guy just outright stole it from me :O Nah I don't mind at all :) Redwolf24 21:34, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Mine as well tell you too
My brother marijuanaisbad, died in a car accident a few days ago. This is the first time I have been on since. You know the thing on the administrator incidents, will you take it down, I don't want to be able to see that you think my brother was too messed up to be able to be on wikipedia. Iamzodyourzodeveryzod 22:47, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

 * My condolences. I didn't post it, find the person who did. Redwolf24 22:49, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

eh
I want to tell you I lied, I always lie, I'm nothing but a swindler. I'm sorry, I'm such a liar. My life has completely gone to hell. I can't do anything, anymore. I'm done with my life, since I've ruined so many others. Iamzodyourzodeveryzod

 * Zod I can't completely blame you for venting some vandalism. However if you wanna do that just go to Uncyclopedia where vandalism is often welcome. However please don't play on sympathies you may anger some wikipedians. Heed my advice, Redwolf24 04:13, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

I blocked him indefinately for vandalism. -- Essjay -·  Talk 15:00, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks from Hosterweis
Hey! I too like messages. Hosterweis 06:07, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Ha, I'll be sure to leave you one if I see you around. Good to see you signing with the ~'s. Redwolf24 06:09, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Hello from Wikipedia Username
Thanks for the help message. Wikipedia Username 06:14, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

 * No prob. Good to see you using the tildes, by the way, great user name... Redwolf24 06:15, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

All I really can do is contribute things about music, since other things that I know are already done. Yeah I know the user name is very "creative" and "original". Wikipedia Username 06:21, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Yeah we really need all the help we can get on music related articles... Redwolf24 06:24, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Protestant Church of Wikipedia
Hey Red: Just letting you know, that in an abuse of my admin powers, I deleted Protestant Church of Wikipedia and moved my "WikiCult" page there directly. Even though it was my creation and I couldn't care less whether anyone knows that, I didn't want there to be GFDL issues with not having the page history. Great idea though, but I wouldn't be suprised if it ends up at VfD. -- Essjay -·  Talk 14:25, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

 * Hey hey hey it wont go to VfD as its like 4 times as long as the church its in opposition to. As for the moving thing, you may wanna clean the talk page... Redwolf24 14:32, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Looks like you already did! -- Essjay -·  Talk 14:59, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

 * Oh by the way I got FireFox now. (No I did not have it before). I love this tabbed browsing I must say though this font takes some getting used to. Redwolf24 14:51, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Isn't it great! You can go into the settings and change the font. Make sure you get the sig extension! -- Essjay -·  Talk 14:59, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

 * Ahem... could you gimme that link once more? Redwolf24 15:03, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

No prob: here. -- Essjay -·  Talk 16:24, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

Your age
Hi, Redwolf (NO THIS TIME! ). I've replied at my talk page. (I REPEAT: NO ) :)  Sango  123  16:27, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

You could've at least used Subst:Pagename :P Redwolf24 16:39, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks.
Thank you a lot for your warm welcome, I have been active on NS.Wikipedia, (See my main article: Sozy) so I already know some basics of wiki editing.

I just edited some information about my village of birth, Sleen, which was (sadly) pretty much a blank page. Which raises my question, do you think this is still a stub, considering it is just some information about a small village?

Sozy 17:19, 21 July 2005 (UTC)Sozy

 * That is DEFINATELY not a stub. Well done!! Redwolf24 17:24, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Oh you may wanna turn those images into thumbs though. Redwolf24 (Talk) 17:26, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Admin
I am very interested in becoming an administrator. What would yo reccomend I do to achieve this goal? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymous0513 (talk • contribs) 18:02, July 21, 2005

 * To become an administrator, nominate yourself at RfA. HOWEVER as you are now you will be shot down by voters. Do NOT nominate yourself til you get about 2000 edits. People can be quite mean. Redwolf24 18:05, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Allow me to elaborate: To become an administrator, keep making good, valuable edits to articles. Make some friends, fight some vandals, work your way up. Vote in a few VfD's, a few RfA's, and give the Wikipedia: namespace a try. When you've been here for three or four months, made a couple thousand edits, and generally established yourself in the community, you can nominate yourself, if someone else doesn't nominate you first. Be sure that you understand how the site works, and be sure the admin tools would be helpful in what you do. Once you've done this, you'll have a good chance of being promoted. -- Essjay -·  Talk 18:10, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

Album boxes.
I noticed your contributions to The Long Road. Thanks for digging up the info---what may make your job easier in future is using Template:Album infobox. (Info is available over at WikiProject Albums.) If you look at the article now, you can see that the syntax is smaller, can be styled by changing a single template, and is a lot more readable. Happy editing! grendel|khan 19:01, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

 * Nah I prefer my version. It looks better in my opinion. Plus I'm not doing the syntax I'm just typing Redwolf24 19:03, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

 * It's not really a preference thing; there's a WikiProject, with its own policies, which you're perfectly free to discuss, but this way, you're making unnecessary work for the folks who came up with the Album infobox style. (There's also an empty template available for convenient copying and pasting up on that talk page.) grendel|khan 19:38, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

 * Alright. Nice to see your oppose vote at my RfA and nice to see you uploaded a new image to wikipedia on The Long Road. Now we gotta delete the old one. Redwolf24 19:43, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

 * The old one's already listed on WP:IFD. Nothing personal about the oppose vote---I think you could use more time to get acclimated to the traditions and pseudo-policies that have grown up around here. I know you're a shoo-in, but I may as well have my say. grendel|khan 19:58, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

 * Any reason though for replacing my image which is not only older than yours, its the exact same image? Same pixels and all. Redwolf24 19:59, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Administrator

Just wanted to know that I was glad to support you on being an adm. Hope you get it. I also decided to drop in a barnstar, because you are an extremely kind editor. Horatii/Dbraceyrules 19:07, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks, I'm honored. As for my RfA, no worries I'm a shoe in :) Thanks for that award I'll add it to User:Redwolf24/Awards. Redwolf24 (Talk) 19:11, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

This is the kid that three days ago was telling me I was being cocky for prepping an "I'm an administrator, here's how to contact me" section for my userpage! HYPOCRITE! ; - ) -- Essjay -·  Talk 19:15, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

 * Gasp! Redwolf24 (Talk) 19:17, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

I didn't say that. Dbraceyrules 22:19, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

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