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Jefferson in Paris

Jefferson in Paris is a 1995 historical drama film, directed by James Ivory, and previously entitled Head and Heart. The screenplay, by Ruth Prawer Jhabvala, is a semi-fictional account of Thomas Jefferson's tenure as the Ambassador of the United States to France before his presidency and of his alleged relationships with Italian-English artist Maria Cosway and his slave, Sally Hemings.

The film was critically and commercially unsuccessful, grossing $5.9 million on a $14 million budget.

Plot
Set in the period 1784–1789, the film portrays Jefferson when he was US minister to France at Versailles before the French Revolution. French liberals and intellectuals hope he will lead them away from the corruption of the court of King Louis XVI and Marie-Antoinette and toward a more democratic form of government. Although deploring the poverty of the common people, he embraces the riches of French culture and civilization. It is his first time abroad, and he takes advantage of the opportunity to extend his knowledge of liberal arts and science while absorbing the refinements France has to offer.

A lonely widower, Jefferson develops a close friendship with Maria Cosway, a beautiful (and married) Anglo-Italian painter and musician. Although she becomes increasingly devoted to him, he is attached to his memory of his late wife, to whom he promised that he would not remarry, and to his two younger daughters. His elder daughter is especially possessive, and Patsy becomes jealous of Maria's influence on her father. Maria becomes his confidant and correspondent, and their relationship soon becomes romantic, though it is complicated by Maria's marriage and Thomas's vow to his late wife never to remarry.

Later, Jefferson becomes attracted to Sally Hemings, his enslaved maid and companion of his younger daughter Polly. Three-quarters white in ancestry, she is his late wife's half-sister. Their father had taken Sally's slave mother as a concubine after he was widowed for the third time; Sally is the sixth of their children. Sally's enslaved brother James Hemings is also in Paris, training to be a French chef for Jefferson at Monticello. It is strongly implied that Jefferson begins a sexual relationship with Sally, which Patsy is aware of and disgusted by. She implies the truth to Maria, who witnesses the familiarity between Jefferson and Sally first-hand and, already having felt neglected by Jefferson, swiftly ends her relationship with him.

When George Washington offers Jefferson the post of Secretary of State, he accepts and prepares to sail home with his family. Sally reveals to James that she is pregnant by Jefferson, but James, having enjoyed his freedom in Paris, is unwilling to return to the United States and urges Sally to remain with him for the sake of her child. It is only when Jefferson promises, making an oath upon the Bible, that he will give James and Sally their freedom that they consent to return with him. Jefferson extends his oath to promise freedom to all of Sally's children as well upon his death, with Patsy bearing witness and swearing to carry out his promise.

At Jefferson's house, the Hôtel de Langeac

 * Nick Nolte ..... Thomas Jefferson
 * Gwyneth Paltrow ..... Patsy Jefferson
 * Estelle Eonnet ..... Polly Jefferson
 * Thandiwe Newton ..... Sally Hemings (credited as Thandie Newton)
 * Seth Gilliam ..... James Hemings
 * Todd Boyce .... William Short
 * Nigel Whitmey .... John Trumbull
 * Nicolas Silberg .... Monsieur Petit
 * Catherine Samie .... Cook
 * Lionel Robert .... Cook's Helper

At Lafayette's

 * Greta Scacchi ..... Maria Cosway
 * Simon Callow ..... Richard Cosway
 * Lambert Wilson ..... Marquis de Lafayette
 * Elsa Zylberstein ..... Adrienne de Lafayette
 * William Moseley .... Georges Washington de Lafayette
 * Jean-Pierre Aumont ..... d'Hancarville
 * Anthony Valentine .... British Ambassador

At Versailles

 * Michael Lonsdale ..... Louis XVI
 * Charlotte de Turckheim ..... Marie-Antoinette
 * Damien Groëlle ..... The Dauphin
 * Louise Balsan ..... Madame Royale
 * Valérie Toledano ..... Madame Elizabeth
 * Vernon Dobtcheff ..... King's Translator

At the Panthémont Abbey

 * Nancy Marchand ..... Madame Abbesse
 * Jessica Lloyd ..... Julia

At Doctor Mesmer's

 * Daniel Mesguich .... Mesmer
 * Thibault de Montalembert .... Assistant

At the Opera

 * William Christie .... Conductor
 * Jean-Paul Fouchécourt .... Dardanus
 * Ismail Merchant .... Tipoo Sultin's Ambassador

At the Palais Royal

 * Vincent Cassel .... Camille Desmoulins
 * Martine Chevallier .... Mademoiselle Contat

Pike County, Ohio

 * James Earl Jones ..... Madison Hemings
 * Beatrice Winde ..... Mary Hemings
 * Tim Choate .... Reporter

Production
The film was shot on location in Paris, at the Desert de Retz and the Palace of Versailles. The scenes at the Desert reenact the actual visit made by Jefferson and Cosway in September 1787. Many of French supporting cast are members of Comédie-Française. It premiered at the 1995 Cannes Film Festival.

Antonio Sacchini's 1784 opera Dardanus appears in the film. Also Marc-Antoine Charpentier' "Leçons de ténèbres", performed by William Christie and Les Arts Florissants with Jean-Paul Fouchécourt, Sandrine Piau, Sophie Daneman, and Jory Vinikour. Arcangelo Corelli's La Folia is performed by Nolte, Scacchi, and Paltrow, but the soundtrack CD is re-dubbed by others. Although Gwyneth Paltrow studied harpsichord for the film, her playing is dubbed by Jory Vinikour, including pieces by Jacques Duphly and  Claude Balbastre. Scacchi's performance of Maria Cosway's song, "Mormora", was dubbed.

The film was budgeted at $14 million.

Release
The film opened on two screens in New York and Los Angeles on March 31, 1995.

Critical reception
As of February 2018, Jefferson in Paris holds a rating of 31% on Rotten Tomatoes based on 16 reviews.

In her positive review in The New York Times, Janet Maslin called the film:

"an extraordinary spectacle ... the rare contemporary film that's both an entertainment and an education, despite some glaring misimpressions that are sure to spark heated debate ... The biggest problem with [the film] is at the basic editing level, with such abrupt jumps between diverse scenes that the film's momentum remains choppy. Overshadowed by its own ambition and not-quite-ironic pageantry, Jefferson in Paris doesn't quite come to life ... Casting Nick Nolte as a Founding Father may sound like this film's riskiest choice, but in fact it makes solid sense. Beyond having the right physical stature for the imposing, sandy-haired Jefferson, Mr. Nolte captures the man's vigor and his stiff sense of propriety. He may not adapt effortlessly to the role of an intellectual giant, but his performance is thoroughly creditable ... The film makers fare less successfully with Maria Cosway ... Ms. Scacchi, the film's big casting problem, makes her so bloodless and prettily artificial that the romance never seems real. There's much more spice in Ms. Newton's captivating performance as Sally Hemings, even if she gives this teen-age slave girl the unexpected fiddle-dee-dee flirtatiousness of a Scarlett O'Hara."

Roger Ebert of the Chicago Sun-Times observed in a less positive review of the film that:

"The film is lavishly produced and visually splendid, like all the Merchant-Ivory productions. But what is it about? Revolution? History? Slavery? Romance? No doubt a lot of research and speculation went into Jhabvala's screenplay, but I wish she had finally decided to jump one way or the other. The movie tells no clear story and has no clear ideas."

In a negative review appearing in Rolling Stone magazine, Peter Travers said:

"After a literate and entertaining roll (A Room With a View, Howards End, The Remains of the Day), the team of producer Ismail Merchant, director James Ivory and writer Ruth Prawer Jhabvala drops the ball with this droopy, snail-paced prigs-in-wigs movie. It doesn't help that Nick Nolte is such a lox as Thomas Jefferson ... [He] seems to think that playing an introspective man means impersonating a wax dummy."

Edward Guthmann of the San Francisco Chronicle called the film "dull, sluggish and unfocused ... [it] tries telling three or four stories at once, can't decide which is most important and winds up stubbing its well-manicured toes" and added:

"Coiffed in a strawberry blond ponytail that makes him look like sitcom star Brett Butler, and surrounded by opulent sets and costumes that look like early bids for Oscar nominations, Nolte makes a noble, sympathetic effort to humanize a historical figure, but never manages to look anything other than tight, corseted and out of his element."

In Variety, Todd McCarthy said the film:

"touches upon much significant history, incident and emotion but, ironically, lacks the intrigue and drama of great fiction ... as the opportunity for drama increases with the onset of Jefferson's affair with Sally and the buildup toward the Revolution, the narrative becomes more dispersed and murky. Things happen ... but they don't weave and dovetail in the surprising, intricate and telling ways they can in first-class fiction, some of Merchant Ivory's recent films included ... The strong points of director James Ivory's approach here are his attentiveness to wonderful detail ... The downside is that Ivory's reticence makes it additionally tough for an emotionally remote figure like Jefferson to come alive onscreen."

Box office
The film grossed $61,349 in its opening weekend from just two screens. It went on to gross $2,473,668 in the US and Canada. It grossed $3.4 million internationally for a worldwide total of $5.9 million.

Historical basis
It was the first portrayal in film of Sally Hemings, and at the time most Jefferson scholars disputed the rumors, started in 1802 by a vengeful journalist named James Callender, that Jefferson had fathered a child by her. Since then, a 1998 Nature study found a match between the male lines of a Jefferson and one descendant of Hemings. In 2000, the Thomas Jefferson Memorial Foundation issued its own report on the DNA test results in light of other historical evidence and said that it was "highly probable" that Thomas Jefferson was the father of Eston Hemings, the youngest child of Sally, and "most likely" that he was the father of all six, four of whom lived to adulthood. This claim is still disputed by some.

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The result of the debate was DELETE. Postdlf 22:55, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

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Pre- teen vanity WCFrancis 01:21, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * and your little redirect too.--WCFrancis 01:30, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. Vanity. --Canderson7 01:27, July 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Agreed. Gwk 01:31, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Never thought I'd see "preteen vanity", but here it is. Cousin of a famous musician or not, still nn. (Maybe should his cousins redirect to their band?) -mysekurity 01:53, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete; nn, vanity. Jaxl 02:18, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn, vanity. royblumy 05:15, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. nn. vanity. jni 05:43, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete non notable vanity. JamesBurns 08:07, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. An icon? How? BTW, he's 14 according to the article. Why would that be pre-teen? - Mgm|(talk) 08:26, July 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * Oops. My math skills went comatose briefly. Either that or I thought it was 2002. Sorry. --WCFrancis 02:39, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete per above.  forgot to sign
 * Delete yep, nothing notable about this pre-teen. --Etacar11 00:14, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. He's an 'icon' in the 'scene community'?  This guy sums it up for me.  Almafeta 07:32, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
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Yōtōden

Yōtōden (戦国奇譚妖刀伝) is a 3-episode Japanese original video animation produced by J.C.Staff, the studio's first production. In 1989, Yōtōden was re-edited into a feature film version titled Wrath of the Ninja for English-speaking regions, but is currently out of print. A manga adaptation was serialized in Newtype.

Plot
The story takes place during Japan's great civil war Sengoku period, beginning in the summer of 1581 and ending two years later. In the anime, the historical warlord Oda Nobunaga is really an evil demon killing everyone who stands in his way. An ancient prophecy says three mystical Demon Blades from three different ninja clans can end Nobunaga's unholy campaign. The story follows Kasumi no Ayanosuke, a young kunoichi (female ninja) who has escaped her village's annihilation, in her heroic efforts to reunite these three sacred weapons use them to kill Nobunaga.

Protagonists

 * Ayanosuke (Ayame) Hayami
 * The sole survivor of Kasumi village, burnt down in an attack by a huge three-headed demon monster. Her Demon Blade is a kodachi short sword. Ayame (she transformed the feminine name "Ayame" (綾女) into "Ayanosuke" (綾之介) after her village was destroyed) is a strong fighter but gets emotional at times. She is the only survivor of the final battle at Azuchi Castle, left all alone in the world again.
 * The sole survivor of Kasumi village, burnt down in an attack by a huge three-headed demon monster. Her Demon Blade is a kodachi short sword. Ayame (she transformed the feminine name "Ayame" (綾女) into "Ayanosuke" (綾之介) after her village was destroyed) is a strong fighter but gets emotional at times. She is the only survivor of the final battle at Azuchi Castle, left all alone in the world again.

 * Sakon Hayate
 * The sole survivor of Hyuga village, wiped out by Nobunaga's forces. His Demon Blade is a katana sword. Sakon is calm and puts on a facade of coolheadedness, but when he abandons Ayame and Ryoma to fight the battle between Iga and Nobunaga's army, he is raging with inner turmoil at his decision; later, he develops a loving bond for Ayame and ultimately takes the mortal blow meant for her. as he dies saying he had something to tell her, but he cannot remember what it is.
 * The sole survivor of Hyuga village, wiped out by Nobunaga's forces. His Demon Blade is a katana sword. Sakon is calm and puts on a facade of coolheadedness, but when he abandons Ayame and Ryoma to fight the battle between Iga and Nobunaga's army, he is raging with inner turmoil at his decision; later, he develops a loving bond for Ayame and ultimately takes the mortal blow meant for her. as he dies saying he had something to tell her, but he cannot remember what it is.

 * Ryoma Kogure
 * A headstrong ninja who has a good sense of right and wrong. His Demon Blade is a halberd. He leaves his father to his death at his request during the demon invasion of his home village Hagakure, as well as witnesses the death of his sister Kikyo, killed by Jinnai, and is forced to kill his love interest Kayo Momochi. When he dies, his last thoughts are about his sister.
 * A headstrong ninja who has a good sense of right and wrong. His Demon Blade is a halberd. He leaves his father to his death at his request during the demon invasion of his home village Hagakure, as well as witnesses the death of his sister Kikyo, killed by Jinnai, and is forced to kill his love interest Kayo Momochi. When he dies, his last thoughts are about his sister.

 * Kikyo Kogure
 * Ryoma's younger sister who befriends and admires Ayame and tries to comfort her when she was upset and reminiscing about her tragic past. Kikyo dies in Ayame's arms after she shields her from Jinnai's final attack with her own body.
 * Ryoma's younger sister who befriends and admires Ayame and tries to comfort her when she was upset and reminiscing about her tragic past. Kikyo dies in Ayame's arms after she shields her from Jinnai's final attack with her own body.

 * Lord Tanba Momochi
 * Kayo's older brother who leads the Iga into the war. He sacrifices himself by trying to kill his sister, begging her to die with him when her body is possessed by the Masago.
 * Kayo's older brother who leads the Iga into the war. He sacrifices himself by trying to kill his sister, begging her to die with him when her body is possessed by the Masago.

 * Jinpei
 * A young shinobi who looks up to Sakon and supports Sakon's claims that Koga betrayed Iga (not believed by Momochi), but refuses to abandon his people and leave with Sakon. He is blinded and killed during the attack on Iga.
 * A young shinobi who looks up to Sakon and supports Sakon's claims that Koga betrayed Iga (not believed by Momochi), but refuses to abandon his people and leave with Sakon. He is blinded and killed during the attack on Iga.

 * Genyusai
 * Ryoma's father and lord of Hagakure. He is killed in Jinnai's attack on his village.
 * Ryoma's father and lord of Hagakure. He is killed in Jinnai's attack on his village.

 * Shinosuke Hayami
 * Ayame's brother who was killed in the attack on their village. Before he died, Shinosuke gave her the enchanted blade to avenge them.
 * Ayame's brother who was killed in the attack on their village. Before he died, Shinosuke gave her the enchanted blade to avenge them.

Antagonists

 * Nobunaga Oda
 * The adversary of the main characters. He used to be a ruler of a small region of Owari, until, as it is revealed during the showdown between Mori Ranmaru and Ayame in the final part of the OVA series ("Flames of Anger"), Ranmaru gave him control of the kagenin (shadow warriors) of the Host of Oboro and the power of the demons to conquer whole Japan. Nobunaga commands the host of Oboro, but unknowingly to him, he is, in turn, himself controlled by Ranmaru and is unaware that he is the most powerful of the Oboro, the Black Demon. In the anime, Oda doesn't die after Akechi Mitsuhide betrayed him at Honnō-ji and where Ayame and Sakon kill only his and Ranmaru's body doubles. Nobunaga is very paranoid that someone will kill him, and as Ranmaru feeds that paranoia he distrusts everyone so much that he has his own guards killed. In the end, he becomes the Black Demon but is killed by Ayame using the combined powers of their weapons.
 * The adversary of the main characters. He used to be a ruler of a small region of Owari, until, as it is revealed during the showdown between Mori Ranmaru and Ayame in the final part of the OVA series ("Flames of Anger"), Ranmaru gave him control of the kagenin (shadow warriors) of the Host of Oboro and the power of the demons to conquer whole Japan. Nobunaga commands the host of Oboro, but unknowingly to him, he is, in turn, himself controlled by Ranmaru and is unaware that he is the most powerful of the Oboro, the Black Demon. In the anime, Oda doesn't die after Akechi Mitsuhide betrayed him at Honnō-ji and where Ayame and Sakon kill only his and Ranmaru's body doubles. Nobunaga is very paranoid that someone will kill him, and as Ranmaru feeds that paranoia he distrusts everyone so much that he has his own guards killed. In the end, he becomes the Black Demon but is killed by Ayame using the combined powers of their weapons.

 * Ranmaru Mori
 * In the anime, Ranmaru, an advisor to Nobunaga, is a powerful demon who has descended upon the Earth five centuries earlier in 946 from a piece of the passing-by evil star (comet). Thinking he will gain ultimate power, Oda follows all of the advice Ranmaru gives him, tricking Nobunaga into allowing him to rule the Earth. Ranmaru is the one who foretold the prophecy and gave the enchanted weapons to the ninja groups in first place, manipulating everyone including not only Nobunaga and the heroes but even all the other Oboro for his master plan to gather negative human emotions (that was what powered the magic weapons) through the weapons and combine them with the power of the Oboro to form the Black Demon. He attempts to open the gate to the underworld when the returning evil star is closest to the Earth but is killed by the combined efforts of Ayame, Sakon and Ryoma, the latter two, however, sacrifice their own lives for the victory.
 * In the anime, Ranmaru, an advisor to Nobunaga, is a powerful demon who has descended upon the Earth five centuries earlier in 946 from a piece of the passing-by evil star (comet). Thinking he will gain ultimate power, Oda follows all of the advice Ranmaru gives him, tricking Nobunaga into allowing him to rule the Earth. Ranmaru is the one who foretold the prophecy and gave the enchanted weapons to the ninja groups in first place, manipulating everyone including not only Nobunaga and the heroes but even all the other Oboro for his master plan to gather negative human emotions (that was what powered the magic weapons) through the weapons and combine them with the power of the Oboro to form the Black Demon. He attempts to open the gate to the underworld when the returning evil star is closest to the Earth but is killed by the combined efforts of Ayame, Sakon and Ryoma, the latter two, however, sacrifice their own lives for the victory.

 * Jinnai Saegusa
 * Jinnai is the first Oboro ninja to appear in the anime, using a necklace of giant beads in combat. His demon form is a huge three-headed monster. He comes back later at Hagakure-no-Sato and attempts to kill Ayame, but fails and accidentally ends up killing Kikyo instead and is then himself killed by Ayame.
 * Jinnai is the first Oboro ninja to appear in the anime, using a necklace of giant beads in combat. His demon form is a huge three-headed monster. He comes back later at Hagakure-no-Sato and attempts to kill Ayame, but fails and accidentally ends up killing Kikyo instead and is then himself killed by Ayame.

 * Masago "The Silk Spinner"
 * Masago is able to cause the people's heads to explode and to transform into a spider monster. He is killed by Ryoma, but not before he possesses Kayo and causes her to kill her own comrades and her brother at Iga.
 * Masago is able to cause the people's heads to explode and to transform into a spider monster. He is killed by Ryoma, but not before he possesses Kayo and causes her to kill her own comrades and her brother at Iga.

 * Kagami
 * Kagami is childlike in appearance and has the ability to reanimate corpses as undead warriors with her crying and also carries a little ball that she can detonate. During the final battle she manages to severely wound Ryoma, but then she herself meets her death at his hands.

 * Kiheiji "The Quiet Doom"
 * Khiheji is an extremely quick fighter, skilled with his spear/scythe weapon, and this makes him a tough adversary for Ayame and Sakon until he is eventually killed by Sakon.
 * Khiheji is an extremely quick fighter, skilled with his spear/scythe weapon, and this makes him a tough adversary for Ayame and Sakon until he is eventually killed by Sakon.

 * Genzo "The Harpist"
 * Genzo uses genjutsu (illusion magic) against his foes. His demon form is a dragon. He is killed by Sakon in the OVA version and by Ayame in the movie version.
 * Genzo uses genjutsu (illusion magic) against his foes. His demon form is a dragon. He is killed by Sakon in the OVA version and by Ayame in the movie version.

Other characters

 * Ryoan
 * A Buddhist monk who doesn't know he is actually one of the Host of Oboro. He is actually helpful to Ayame, Sakon, and Ryoma, guiding them throughout the story and helping with his chants until he is impaled and killed by Ranmaru.
 * A Buddhist monk who doesn't know he is actually one of the Host of Oboro. He is actually helpful to Ayame, Sakon, and Ryoma, guiding them throughout the story and helping with his chants until he is impaled and killed by Ranmaru.

 * Kayo Momochi
 * A female ninja for whom Ryoma has an unrequited crush. She is a representative of the Koga ninja clan and actually Momochi's younger sister, sent away to Koga when she was young. Kayo is one of the most tragic characters in the story, as her body is possessed by Masago, forcing Ryoma to kill her at her own request.
 * A female ninja for whom Ryoma has an unrequited crush. She is a representative of the Koga ninja clan and actually Momochi's younger sister, sent away to Koga when she was young. Kayo is one of the most tragic characters in the story, as her body is possessed by Masago, forcing Ryoma to kill her at her own request.

OVA
The series was released in three episodes from 1987 to 1988 in Japan only on VHS and videodisc formats; a laserdisc version was also released in 1990. The OVA series had been not licensed in the west until 2002, when it was released in the UK by ADV Films on VHS. In 2006 the series was also released on DVD by U.S. Manga Corps under the title Wrath of Ninja - The Complete Yotoden Saga.

Film
The compilation movie version of Yōtōden was cut together by MTV Japan and released cinematically, premiering at Ikebukuro Theater on May 27, 1989, with VHS and videodisc home releases coming out the following month in August. This version is 45 minutes shorter than the OVA series. A special laserdisc version was also released in Japan only in 1990, containing four new scenes. It has been released in the US by U.S. Manga Corps on VHS in 1998 as Wrath of the Ninja: Yotoden, and on DVD in 1999 and 2003 as Wrath of the Ninja: The Yotoden Movie. Another American DVD version was released in 2009 by Anime Cartoon DVD RSP as Wrath of the Ninja without a sub-title.

Manga
The Yōtōden manga was published after the anime and ran for a year (September 1989 - September 1990) in the Japanese magazine Newtype, later also published in a book form in 1991 and in Kadokawa Newtype 100% Comics in 1992. The manga differs from the anime in some significant ways (including the introduction of the new character Kagome), but the main characters remain the same.

Other
Other media and items for the series included two soundtracks released on CD by Victor Musical Industries, Inc. in 1987–1988, two artbooks, a line of collectible phone cards, and a large number of minor merchandise such as calendars, posters, postcards, etc.

Reception
The OVA series achieved enormous success in Japan upon its initial release, including being voted by the readers of Gakken's animation magazine AnimeV as the best OVA in both 1987 and 1988. Ayame was also voted the best female character, and Sakon won the first place for two constructive years in the category best supporting character. According to a 1997 review by EX, "For a complex, intelligent, and entertaining historical period anime, YOTODEN remains difficult to beat."

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Confusing; were "Warning" and "Laguna Sunrise" every on a release? Which one? What track numbers? ~ Strathmeyer 21:58, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Wicked world wasnt on the cd issue either

Yeah, I have the CD issue and Wicked World isn't on it. In fact I've checked Amazon and ebay and there is no copy of We Sold Our Souls for Rock 'n' Roll with Wicked World on it. Provide 100% verifiable noncorruptable evidence that there is indeed a copy of We Sold Our Souls for Rock 'n' Roll with Wicked World on it, or I will edit it out of the article. ~ Loudlove54 16:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

The 2004 2CD Sanctuary release in Europe and the UK (SMDDD078) has 'Wicked World'. The album now has it's original European vinyl running order. 86.129.10.125 (talk) 17:06, 30 May 2008 (UTC) Alister, UK

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Inner artwork
The CD version that I owned had in the inner sleeve a photo of a really creepy woman inside a casket, dressed with some kind of shroud and holding a cross. It's not mentioned in this article. Should it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jvargas78 (talk • contribs) 16:16, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

CD limit?
When the album was released on CD, the tracks "Wicked World", "Warning" and "Laguna Sunrise" were omitted due to CD space restrictions.

That can't be true, if the duration of 74 minutes is right. 74 minutes fits to CD easily. 85.217.20.33 (talk) 03:42, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

The 74 minutes running-time is wrong, simply. (Even were it right, the early CDs had a maximum length OF 74 minutes.) The vinyl had a running-time 91-92 minutes. Even cutting down the gaps between tracks you could not fit it all on a C90 tape - I had to fade N.I.B early to avoid an abrupt stop to S1 of my tape. 86.162.158.237 (talk) 00:12, 19 August 2018 (UTC) Al (UK)

No money?
Where's the source for the band making no money whatsoever from the album? No performance / writing royalties??? Lovingboth (talk) 10:22, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

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Rampuri

The Rampuri (रामपूरी चाकू) is an Indian gravity knife of formidable reputation having a single-edged blade roughly 9 to 12 in long. Sometimes, it is the switchblade type but there are also step-lock types. The name Rampuri comes from the town of Rampur, Uttar Pradesh. The royal bladesmiths of local Nawabs of Rampur started making knives after the popularization of firearms after the 18th century.

The Rampuri is still in use today as a criminal weapon, by the local Indian Mafia although locally made guns and sophisticated automatic pistols have largely taken their place. However, in mid 1990s, the Government of Uttar Pradesh banned making such knives longer than 4.5 in of blade length, which led to the drop in popularity of the knife, which even made its way to crime thrillers of Bollywood in the 1960s and 1970s.

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Deepest Purple: The Very Best of Deep Purple

Deepest Purple: The Very Best of Deep Purple is a compilation album by the English hard rock band Deep Purple, released in 1980 on LP. It features the original hits of Deep Purple before their 1984 reunion. Aided by a TV advertising campaign it would become Purple's third UK No. 1 album. In 1984 this compilation additionally was published on CD.

Being a 60+ minute vinyl LP, Warner Brothers Records lowered the volume considerably, as well as altering the EQ on all tracks to fit both sides equally.

This album marked the first time "Demon's Eye" was released in North America, having been replaced by "Strange Kind of Woman" on the North American release of Fireball.

All songs from this album, along with several others added, appeared on the 1998 UK album 30: Very Best of Deep Purple, released by EMI, and the 2000 US album The Very Best of Deep Purple, released by Rhino.

In 2010 a 30th Anniversary Edition of this compilation was released (25 October in the UK and 2 November in the US). It contains four additional tracks, two of them from the Mark I & IV eras, plus a bonus DVD containing previously unreleased video footage and an exclusive track-by-track commentary from founding member Jon Lord.

Track listing
All titles composed by Ritchie Blackmore, Ian Gillan, Roger Glover, Jon Lord, Ian Paice, except where indicated.

 * Side one
 * 1) "Black Night" – 3:28 (7-inch single, 1970)
 * 2) "Speed King" (Edited version) – 5:04 (from the album Deep Purple in Rock, 1970)
 * 3) "Fireball" – 3:25 (from the album Fireball, 1971)
 * 4) "Strange Kind of Woman" – 3:52 (7-inch single, 1971)
 * 5) "Child in Time" – 10:20 (from the album Deep Purple in Rock)
 * 6) "Woman from Tokyo" – 5:51 (from the album Who Do We Think We Are, 1973)

 * Side two
 * 1) "Highway Star" – 6:07 (from the album Machine Head, 1972)
 * 2) "Space Truckin'" – 4:33 (from the album Machine Head)
 * 3) "Burn"  (Blackmore, David Coverdale, Glenn Hughes, Lord, Paice)  – 6:02 (from the album Burn, 1974)
 * 4) "Stormbringer"  (Blackmore, Coverdale)  – 4:06 (from the album Stormbringer, 1974)
 * 5) "Demon's Eye" – 5:22 (from the album Fireball)
 * 6) "Smoke on the Water" – 5:40 (from the album Machine Head)

CD track listing
All titles composed by Ritchie Blackmore, Ian Gillan, Roger Glover, Jon Lord, Ian Paice, except where indicated

Note: Track 11, "Burn", falsely is declared as single edit on the CD-case inlay. In fact it is the album version.
 * 1) "Black Night" (Single version) – 3:27 (2002 Digital Remaster)
 * 2) "Speed King" (Edited version) – 5:00 (2010 Digital Remaster)
 * 3) "Fireball" – 3:23 (1996 Digital Remaster)
 * 4) "Hush"  (Joe South)  – 4:13 (1998 Digital Remaster)
 * 5) "Strange Kind of Woman" – 3:51 (2002 Digital Remaster)
 * 6) "Child in Time" – 10:15 (1995 Digital Remaster)
 * 7) "When a Blind Man Cries" – 3:30 (1997 Remix)
 * 8) "Woman from Tokyo" – 5:49 (2000 Digital Remaster)
 * 9) "Highway Star" – 6:07 (1997 Digital Remaster)
 * 10) "Space Truckin'" – 4:33 (1997 Digital Remaster)
 * 11) "Burn"  (Blackmore, David Coverdale, Glenn Hughes, Lord, Paice)  – 6:02 (2004 Digital Remaster)
 * 12) "Stormbringer"  (Blackmore, Coverdale)  – 4:06 (2009 Digital Remaster)
 * 13) "Soldier of Fortune"  (Blackmore, Coverdale)  – 3:15 (2009 Digital Remaster)
 * 14) "Demon's Eye" – 5:19 (1996 Digital Remaster)
 * 15) "You Keep on Moving" (Single edit)  (Coverdale, Hughes)  – 4:28 (2002 Digital Remaster)
 * 16) "Smoke on the Water" – 5:40 (1997 Digital Remaster)

DVD

 * 1) "Jon Lord discusses 'Hush'"
 * 2) "Hush (Playboy After Dark, 1968)"
 * 3) "Jon Lord discusses arriving in the US for the first time"
 * 4) "Jon Lord discusses miming for German TV"
 * 5) "'Speed King' (Vicky Leandros show, German TV, 1970)"
 * 6) "Jon Lord discusses the writing of 'Child in Time'"
 * 7) "Child in Time (new clip)"
 * 8) "Jon Lord discusses the power of 'Child in Time'"
 * 9) "Jon Lord discusses the recording of 'Black Night'"
 * 10) "'Black Night' (Classic 1970 video clip)"
 * 11) "Jon Lord discusses 'Fireball'"
 * 12) "'Fireball' (German TV performance on Disco ZDF, 1971)"
 * 13) "Jon Lord discusses the Fireball album"
 * 14) "Jon Lord discusses the writing of 'Strange Kind of Woman'"
 * 15) "'Strange Kind of Woman' (Top of the Pops, BBC, 1971)"
 * 16) "Jon Lord discusses 'Demon's Eye'"
 * 17) "'Demon's Eye' (Music Today, RBB Berlin)"
 * 18) "Jon Lord discusses 'Highway Star'"
 * 19) "'Highway Star' (Beat Club, German TV, 1971)"
 * 20) "Jon Lord discusses 'Never Before'"
 * 21) "'Never Before' (Classic 1970s video clip)"
 * 22) "Jon Lord discusses 'Smoke on the Water' and the story behind it"
 * 23) "'Smoke on the Water' (Hofstra University, 1973)"
 * 24) "Jon Lord discusses the choice of singles"
 * 25) "Jon Lord discusses 'Woman From Tokyo'"
 * 26) "'Woman from Tokyo' (New clip)"
 * 27) "'Made in Japan' / 'Space Truckin' (New clip from Made in Japan footage)"
 * 28) "Jon Lord discusses 'Burn'"
 * 29) "'Burn' (California Jam, 1974)"
 * 30) "Jon Lord discusses 'You Keep on Moving'"
 * 31) "'You Keep on Moving'"
 * 32) "Jon Lord discusses 'Stormbringer'"
 * 33) "'Stormbringer' (New clip)"

Personnel
All songs are performed by Deep Purple in different line-ups (Mark I–IV). The track numbers in the following listing correspond to the 30th Anniversary Edition CD.

On Tracks 1–3, 5–10, 14 & 16: Deep Purple Mark II

 * Ritchie Blackmore – Guitar
 * Ian Gillan – Vocals
 * Roger Glover – Bass
 * Jon Lord – Organ, Keyboards
 * Ian Paice – Drums and Percussion

On Track 4: Deep Purple Mark I

 * Ritchie Blackmore – Guitar
 * Rod Evans – Vocals
 * Jon Lord – Hammond Organ, Backing Vocals
 * Ian Paice – Drums and Percussion
 * Nick Simper – Bass, Backing Vocals

On Tracks 11–13: Deep Purple Mark III

 * Ritchie Blackmore – Guitar
 * David Coverdale – Lead Vocals
 * Glenn Hughes – Bass, Vocals
 * Jon Lord – Keyboards
 * Ian Paice – Drums and Percussion

On Track 15: Deep Purple Mark IV

 * Tommy Bolin – Guitar
 * David Coverdale – Lead Vocals
 * Glenn Hughes – Bass, Vocals
 * Jon Lord – Keyboards
 * Ian Paice – Drums and Percussion

Original album compiled by EMI in conjunction with Ian Paice and mastered by Nick Webb at Abbey Road Studios.


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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kakawaka

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was DELETE. Postdlf 22:56, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Kakawaka
Vanity. Nothing on allmusic (hardly surprising for a noise artist). Delete. -R. fiend 01:24, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, unverifiable. Dcarrano 01:31, July 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-notable. Gwk 01:33, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn unverifiable vanity. -mysekurity 01:54, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. Lots of google hits, but mostly seems to be self-promotion. I did find a third party review at, though, indicating that the albums are actually available. Pburka 03:45, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn, vanity royblumy 05:10, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete non notable vanity. JamesBurns 08:08, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Kawakawa as viable misspelling? Grutness...  wha?  10:28, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. That's probably a bit of a stretch. -R. fiend 21:07, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * If you read Grutness' sentence aloud, it almost deserves BJOD... :) not saying its a bad idea though. Xoloz 03:46, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Right now, it's vanity.  I'll change my vote if someone adds info about notability.  Almafeta 07:33, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Fair use rationale in Deepest Purple: The Very Best of Deep Purple
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 * 1) This image illustrates the cover of the album or associated single that is discussed in the article.
 * 2) The image is only a small portion of the overall product.
 * 3) This image can be used to identify the album or associated single that is the subject of this article.
 * 4) It does not limit the copyright owner's rights to market or sell the album in any way.
 * 5) The image is of lower resolution than the original cover.
 * 6) The image is being used in an informative way and does not detract from sales of the album.
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Talk:Historical musicology

Thia article has NOTHING to do with the academic discipline of historical musicology.

 * I agree, putting up a vote for deletion, this is about a 2004 Schotland rave phenomenon --Jahsonic 00:25, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Article now rewritten
I have now rewritten the article so that it is about a discipline of historical musicology.

Capitalistroadster 06:05, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Vote for Deletion
This article survived a Vote for Deletion. The discussion can be found here. -Splash 00:59, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

No popular music?
On what basis is it asserted that "the history of popular music is generally not studied within the discipline of musicology."? I don't believe the disciplines are, um, disciplined that stringently.Rikyu 23:01, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

 * The statement is inaccurate as "discipline of musicology," however, as "discipline of historical musicology," this is generally true. Departments which have subfields of "historical musicology" tend to do so in order to separate out non-Western or popular music studies.  --Myke Cuthbert 20:16, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

 * That's not the case in my experience at the UW-Madison, where history, theory, and ethno play mix-and-match...theorists study cellphone ringtones, ethnomusicologists look at Wagner, historians study radio broadcasting. I feel more comfortable with a less-sweeping statement, and have edited to suit--take a look.Rikyu 20:14, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Merge with Music History?
Please give a look at the article Music History (not History of Music) and see if you agree that the two articles should be merged. Music History, is generally speaking, what the discipline of Historical musicology is called when taught at the undergraduate level. It might be better to merge Music History into Historical musicology rather than vice versa, since people will always want to know why "Music History" doesn't cover popular and non-western music (reason: classes called "Music History" and scholars who call themselves "Music historians" tend not to; those who do tend to choose other titles). --Myke Cuthbert 20:14, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Given that the thrust of "Music History" is "academic study" of the history of music, which is another way of saying "historical musicology," I see no problem in merging the entries. It also seems to me that "Music history" is a more likely search term. It certainly gets more Google hits (1.3 million versus 50,000, give or take).Rikyu 20:36, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

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García II of Galicia

García II (1041/April 1043 – 22 March 1090), King of Galicia, was the youngest of the three sons and heirs of Ferdinand I, King of Castile and León, and Sancha of León, whose Leonese inheritance included the lands García would be given. Garcia first appears in an 11 September 1064 settlement with Suero, Bishop of Mondoñedo, his father confirming the agreement.

Accession
In the 1065 division of his father's estates, García was given the County of Galicia, "elevated to the rank of kingdom", that extended south to the Mondego River in Portugal with the parias of the Taifa of Badajoz and Seville; his eldest brother Sancho received the Kingdom of Castile and the parias of the Taifa of Zaragoza. The second son and his father's favorite, Alfonso, fared best in this division, being given an expanded Kingdom of León that encroached on lands which historically had been Castilian and Galician. Garcia's Galician kingdom was the most troubled, including lands south of the Duero over which firm administrative control had only been reestablished with the recapture of Coimbra the year before Ferdinand's death. Further, Ferdinand had begun a process intended to weaken the old comital house to bring the nobles under more direct royal control, but not yet finalized at his death. Further, the bishops of Lugo and Santiago were competing for preeminence.

Fraternal war
Among García's first acts was to receive the forced surrender of nearly the entire holdings of prominent nobleman García Múñoz. He also initiated plans to reestablish bishoprics at Braga, Lamego and Tui, as further tools for asserting royal authority, but suffered a significant setback when in 1068 the long-serving Bishop of Santiago died, then his successor was murdered the next year, an act that can be seen as a direct challenge to the king who might have been viewed as acting in an overly energetic manner, and indicating a loss of royal authority in Galicia. García seems to have turned his attention to strengthening his control in the south. There he faced a challenge in early 1071 by the rebel Count of Portugal, Nuno Mendes, whom García defeated and killed at the Battle of Pedroso.

García's brother and neighbouring ruler, Alfonso, had been taking an interest in the increasingly unstable Galicia from at least 1070, and in May or early June 1071, he invaded Galicia and northern Portugal. Sancho likely acquiesced in this in exchange for partial control over the realm formerly belonging to his youngest brother. This scenario was untenable, as Alfonso's entire realm separated Sancho from Galicia, and the prospect of this further strengthening the already disproportionate power given Alfonso by their father was likely a driving force behind Sancho's attack on León that resulted in Alfonso's defeat and exile in 1072. Sancho then turned his attention to García in central Portugal, defeating him near Santarém and briefly imprisoning him in Castile (one chronicle specifying at Burgos) before he was then allowed to flee to Seville. This reunited the realm their father had divided, and García's independent kingdom of Galicia and Portugal ceased to exist.

Imprisonment
Events later in the same year precipitated García's return. In October 1072, Sancho was assassinated at Zamora while suppressing a rebellion led by their sister Urraca, who had been given the rule of Zamora, and nobleman Pedro Ansúrez. Both dethroned brothers returned north, with Alfonso seizing Sancho's reunited realm. It is unclear if García hoped to reestablish himself in his kingdom or had been misled by promises of safety from Alfonso, but in February 1073, García was invited to a conference with Alfonso and there taken prisoner. The earliest chronicles do not give the place of his imprisonment, but later chronicles put it at the castle of Luna, near León. There he remained until his death in or about 1090, the date given on his epitaph, due to a bloodletting after he developed a fever.

King García stated that he wished to be buried in chains, as he lived the final days of his life, and the king was represented as such on his tomb in the royal pantheon at the Basílica de San Isidoro, León. It included an inscription, since destroyed, that was reported to have borne a Latin epitaph:
 * H[ic] R[equiescit] DOMINUS GARCIA REX PORTUGALLIAE ET GALLECIAE. FILIUS REGIS MAGNI FERDINANDI. HIC INGENIO CAPTUS A FRATRE SUO IN VINCULIS. OBIIT ERA MCXXVIII XIº KAL[ends] APRIL[is].

in English:
 * Here lies Lord Garcia King of Portugal and Galicia, son of the great king Ferdinand. He was captured by his brother using a trick and placed in chains. He died on the 11th day before the kalends of April, Era 1128 (22 March 1090).

It is uncertain whether this epitaph was carved immediately after García's death, but it served as the basis for historian Ângelo Ribeiro to conclude that García was the first to use the title King of Portugal. Portugal had previously been ruled by a count, and six years after García died was again given as a county to Henry of Burgundy and inherited by his son Afonso Henriques, later crowned King of Portugal. Because García died while the Council of León was in session, his funeral was attended by many eminent prelates, including papal legate Reniere, the future pope Pascal II.

García's capture by trickery, long imprisonment and burial in great pomp made him a favorite of epic poets, and by the middle of the 12th century there was already a body of such poetic works. The earliest of these to survive is the 16th-century ballad Muerte de don García, rey de Galicia, desposeído por sus hermanos Sancho II y Alfonso VI de Castilla (The Death of García, king of Galicia, dispossessed by his brothers Sancho II and Alfonso VI of Castile) by Lorenzo de Sepúlveda.

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Talk:The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy/Archive 1

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Please add new archivals to Talk:The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy/Archive03. Thank you. JohnDBuell | Talk 01:26, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Old discussions
My edition of the book is titled "The More Than Complete Hitchhiker's Guide", and it also uses "Hitchhiker" consistently, as one word. Does the British version perhaps use two words? I note that the h2g2 web site also uses one word. - My copy of the novel has "Hitch Hiker" on the spine and "Hitch-Hiker" on the cover. My copy of the radio scripts has "Hitch-Hiker" on both cover and spine. Both are British editions. Since Douglas Adams was British, it seems logical to use the British version if that's why there's a difference. --Pinkunicorn

Yes, it's the British edition that has two words. There are also some differences between the American and British texts, one of them being rather major and involving a bad word. -- Stephen Gilbert

I made "Hitchhiker" before checking here. Douglas Adams' posthumously maintained Official Site says "Hitch Hiker" and seems to be as official as it gets. My bad.

STG: Can you provide details about the change? --Yooden
 * Sure. In book 3, at the flying party, Arthur meets an actor who won an award. In the British version, the award was for "The Most Gratuitous Use of the Word 'Fuck' in a Serious Screenplay". In the American edition, the word 'fuck' was replaced with 'Belgium', and about half a page was added explaining why Belgium was such a horribly taboo word everywhere except Earth. There are a few other differences too, mostly revolving around the difference between the American and British billion.

(gratuitous comment) "Now that DNA (as he is often referred) has passed on, we can know for certain that there will not be a 6th book in the series." The death of an author has not always prevented the extension of a series (examples: Robert Howard, Ian Fleming). -- RjLesch
 * Absolutely. He was actually working on a sixth book, so it may well be published. I've edited the article to reflect that. -- Stephen Gilbert

(less gratuitous comment) There was a short story, "Young Zaphod Plays it Safe", which appeared in an all-in-one volume collection of the first three books. I never read it, so I don't know -- was it folded into book 4 or 5, or is it a separate piece of work? --RjLesch
 * "Young Zaphod Plays it Safe" was never folded into the "trilogy", but remained a separate short story. -- Stephen Gilbert

42 (the meaning of life, the universe, and everything) should be mentioned somewhere... It will be... sjc

I've made a note on the page proper regarding the name ambiguity, and also a note of wikipedia's usage. Updates a few named references to match this.

Regarding the US differences? The Belgium joke was written for the radio series, and lifted directly into the US versions of the book. --User:Nemo

...42 reference inserted. --KamikazeArchon - Aside...back in the 1980's when I was a college student I had a Dymo label reading DON'T PANIC on my HP11C.

I was looking for a good "DON'T PANIC" sticker for my TI-83 graphing calculator...it looks almost like a Guide should be, with all the little buttons and screen and everything...:) --dreamyshade

Removed from article. All American editions use single word "hitchhiker":
 * Yes, but that was never in question. British editions use "hitch hiker", and it is a British book. It's important to remember that Wikipedia aims to be an international encyclopedia, not an American one. --Stephen Gilbert

There is some ambiguity about the exact nomenclature of "Hitch Hikers". Should there be no space, a dash or a space between hitch and hiker? Similarly, should hikers be apostrophised? (hiker's). Most variants are formalised in print somewhere. Wikipedia currently uses Hitch Hikers (see Talk).

The Salmon of Doubt was to be Dirk Gently 3, not HHGG 6 -- according to that page at least. Tarquin

Why was it switched to no apostrophe before the s? Danny

 * According to my edition (the omnibus of volumes 1-4), it's
 * The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy
 * two words, singular Hiker. -- Tarquin 02:13 Jul 31, 2002 (PDT)

Hope this edit makes the whole thing look a bit nicer and read better. Don't intend to touch the Hitch Hiker's / Hitch-Hiker's / Hitchhiker's mess with a bargepole, since it's a horrible mess of redirects at the moment anyway. At least there's not a ton of subpages to grapple with. Thankful for small mercies, and all that... --AW

 * It has been adapted as a series of novels, as a television series and as a computer game, and as of 2003 there are still plans for a film version.

It has been noted that as of 2003 redirects to 2003. This does not mean that "as of 2003" and "as of 2003" amount to the same thing. All pages that link to as of 2003 are grouped together and labelled as such on 2003's what-links-here page. This helps distinguish them from 'genuine' links to 2003 (as in "Iraq was internationally isolated until the spring of 2003, when the US and UK invaded and removed the Ba'ath Party from leadership", to give the second example that comes to mind), and makes them easy to find should anyone go looking for pages with out-of-date information on.

Any questions?

-- Paul A 13:22 May 10, 2003 (UTC)

There's a story in The Register about a likely revival of the radio series, picking up from where the last left off. HTH HAND. Phil 15:44, Nov 25, 2003 (UTC)

talk about the spelling of "Hitchhiker's"
Regarding the recent revisions "there and back again" on the spelling of "Hitchhiker's", my quick and dirty research this morning shows me that there has been quite a bit of inconsistency in the way it is spelled when you look at the radio transcript publications, the British book covers and the American book covers. The Douglas Adams website is even inconsistent in the spelling when you drill down to the underlying pages. What may be appropriate is to explicitly acknowledge these various spellings within the text of this article. That way we can eventually find a reference spelling for most of the text of the article, yet bring notice to the existance of other variations on the theme. Bevo 18:15, 3 Dec 2003 (UTC)

The BBC appears to use 'Hitchhiker' throughout. DJ Clayworth 18:19, 3 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Here's the final (snicker, snicker) word on the matter: the books and other witten materials are all terribly inconsistant about it (how appropriate), but DNA seems to have set the record straight (or firmly crooked) and decided on 'Hitchhiker'. I've added that to the existing note in the entry and provided the reference. --Spikey 19:49, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Separate page for the series
What do you think of making separate pages for "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" and "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Trilogy", and having only the information about the first book on this page? Ausir 21:35, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * I would suggest keeping this page as an overview of the whole "trilogy", and putting book 1 at "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (book)" - then in the future there could be pages for "HHGttG (radio)", "HHGttG (television)", "HHGttG (film)", "HHGttG (game)" and "HHGttG (rollercoaster)" ;) Sjorford 21:47, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * Done: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (book). Ausir 22:54, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * The pages for the TV and radio series are works in progress. Would anyone like to tackle creation of a page for the stage shows? Did anyone SEE any of the stage shows (like the Ken Campbell ones from the late 1970s mentioned in Neil Gaiman's Don't Panic)? --JohnDBuell 03:19, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

A particulary notable inward link
This page, at the website of the production company for the 3 new adaptions, links to the wikipedia entry on Hitchhikers! Morwen - Talk

Forgetting something?
The plot description does not say anything about the earth being destroyed. Nothing. --mathx314 January 5, 8:00 PM (EST)

 * Er...actually the first line of the plot synopsis begins "The series follows the adventures of Arthur Dent, a hapless Englishman who escapes the destruction of Earth" (my bold text). I'd say that's something...? -- Guybrush 02:29, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Woops, sorry. --mathx314

6 May 2005 (film debut date)
Perhaps not germane to these discussions at all, but perhaps discussed by the marketing department at the film company (I'm not in the loop, and this article was the first I realized that a film was being made of HHGG), 6 May in a common year (as 2005 is) is the 126th day of the year. 126 is three times 42. CharlieZeb 14:18, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * It's even stranger than that. Whichever day of the year was chosen to be the release date, it would have had a mysterious relationship with 42...

 * 1 = 42 / 42
 * 2 = (42 + 42) / 42
 * 3 = (42 + 42 + 42) / 42
 * 4 = ((42 + 42) / 42) * ((42 + 42) / 42)
 * 125 = (42 + 42 + 42) - (42 / 42)
 * 126 = (42 + 42 + 42)
 * 127 = (42 + 42 + 42) + (42 / 42)
 * Scary ! (or perhaps not...) -- Derek Ross | Talk 02:34, 2005 Feb 6 (UTC)
 * Scary ! (or perhaps not...) -- Derek Ross | Talk 02:34, 2005 Feb 6 (UTC)
 * Scary ! (or perhaps not...) -- Derek Ross | Talk 02:34, 2005 Feb 6 (UTC)

Lol... Well in the first trailer it was pushing May 5, not May 6. I noted that May 5 was, incidentally a Thursday. (ie. Thursday morning, the day the Earth was destroyed). But now that the second trailer is out, they are releasing it on April 29th, which is a Friday if I'm not mistaken. :( --EatMyShortz 12:47, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Introduction
The second paragraph of Introduction begins, "The series was originally going to be called 'The Ends of the Earth'". Since this paragraph talks about changing the most basic conception of the Hitchhiker's universe, I assume this refers to the radio series, but it's not specified. In fact, following on from the first paragraph, it would most logically apply to the book series. Could someone please clarify? Binabik80 06:00, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

It was indeed the radio series that was originally going to be 'The Ends of the Earth' - six episodes, with the Earth ending in a different way. The first episode was going to end with the Earth being demolished by aliens to make way for an interstellar bypass.... None of the other ideas/episodes were ever developed. For more information, see Neil Gaiman's Don't Panic, or Nick Webb's Wish You Were Here, or the 20th anniversary radio programme (which is included in the H2G2 collector's edition CD box set of the radio series). Since this _is_ a bit (needlessly?) confusing, isn't it high time H2G2 the radio series got split out into its own article?

PBS Showings
I am just curious where there was a PBS showing that was seven episodes. I experienced this series in its intial PBS showing in Denver, Colorado. Later repeats, either weekly or all episodes at once during pledge time, in Denver, Portland, Oregon, or Ketchikan, Alaska, were always in the six episode format. It may have happened where the Wikipedia contributer saw this series, but it was not an overall PBS occurance.MarnetteD | Talk 06:52, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Dopefish
I'm not so sure the description of the Dopefish as the second stupidest creature is actually a nod to Hitchhiker's, since IIRC Commander Keen also lists those bouncing mushroom things as the only thing stupider than a dopefish. Radix 23:34, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Galactic Towel Day
I removed the below paragraph from the film section, because it is vandalism...cute, but still vandalism. JimCollaborator «talk» 04:57, Apr 30, 2005 (UTC)

 * The Guide lists April 29th as Galactic Towel Day, a holiday of major importance in the few places where the month of April is observed. The celebration of Galactic Towel Day was decriminalized in Earth Year 2005 to correspond with the day of the release of a certain comedy film on a planet which has been made by Slartibartfast to look and behave exactly like one which has been destroyed in a parallel universe.  Galactic Towel Day is celebrated in movie theaters, every April 29th, by finding a new use for your towel at exactly the moment when the character named Ford mentions the importance of towels. (It has recently been held by some that Galactic Towel Day falls on the 30th, rather than the 29th. This widespread misperception has been found to be the result of a subtle program of sabotage, initiated during the Vogons' takeover of the Guide, that was intended to disrupt the resonance between different universes' observances of the major galactic holidays, thereby destabilizing the quantum barriers between these universes and opening up their resources to exploration and development. It is strongly advised that beings wishing to observe Galactic Towel Day confine their observances to the 29th rather than the 30th, and ignore any source claiming the contrary.)

Chess computer - contradicting info
"In 1989 it lost two games to the then World Chess Champion, Gary Kasparov. In 1986 one of its successors, [.. ]" - isn't a successor expected to come AFTERWARDS? (clem 09:39, 5 May 2005 (UTC))

 * A typo. I'll correct it to 1996.  Thanks. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 11:19, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Radio series, TV transfer
It's not considered unusual for a successful BBC radio series to migrate to television. Little Britain and The League of Gentlemen are more recent examples of this, another famous transfer was Hancock's Half Hour, while radio versions of popular TV series were not unknown (Steptoe and Son). Adams had of course written for TV, for Doctor Who, and the radio series had a huge cult following in the late seventies and early eighties, when there really was almost nothing else similar either on TV or in print, but TV executives were beginning to take SF more seriously after the success of Star Wars and Close Encounters of the Third Kind. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 01:15, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Don't forget Dead Ringers. --JohnDBuell 01:25, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Requests
As I stated above, I'd love to see information about the H2G2 stage shows. There are also possibilities of adding more information about the LPs (specifically cast changes between the radio series and the LPs, and their subsequent US releases by Simon & Shuster Audioworks). Then there are the comic book adaptations.... And I guess the towel is still counted as an official 'adaptation'? Am I missing any others? --JohnDBuell 02:52, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

For information about towels see http://homepage.mac.com/kentfield/towel.html

The LPs were released by Hannibal Records in Canada

 * M.J. Simpson's Pocket Companion does have some info on several of the stage shows and a bit on the LP recordings. Nick Webb's Wish You Were Here also had a note or two. I'm waiting on my copy of Simpson's Hitchhiker bio of Adams, and I should be able to add appropriate cast lists/other material. --JohnDBuell 12:28, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Ordering
I don't like the ordering of this article, particularly sections 2 to 7.

Suggest the following order instead

 * 1. Introduction
 * 2. Original radio series
 * 3. Books
 * synopsis
 * 4. Television series
 * 5. New radio series
 * 6. Movie
 * 7. Other presentions
 * 7.1 Interactive fiction
 * 7.2 Re-recorded LPs
 * 7.3 Stage versions

Any plot description outside of a specific instance section would have to be generalised enough to apply to all forms of the story. Morwen - Talk 13:14, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Okay, though I'd change 7 to:

 * 7. Other Adaptations
 * 7.1 Stage Versions
 * 7.2 LP versions of the radio series episodes (or re-recorded LPs, we can quibble on wording later)
 * 7.3 Interactive Fiction
 * 7.4 Comic books

 * And then keep "Hitch-Hikeriana", Trivia, Cultural References, See also and External links in that order (sections 8-12)? --JohnDBuell 13:49, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Done. But we now exceed 36K for article length. Can we spin off something else? Cultural references perhaps? Especially since "The Hitchhiker's Guide to ..." is used a LOT (Hitchhiker's guide to SQL Server, published by Microsoft, Hitchhiker's Guide to the meaning of Everything, coming Nov. 2005, etc etc). And granted, Douglas pinched the "hitchhiker's guide to..." title format from Ken Walsh and "The Hitch-hiker's guide to Europe" but you can likely argue that H2G2 made that particular phrase VERY popular. --JohnDBuell 00:49, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Cultural references section is absurd. There are probably thousands of references to 42 in popular culture.  Morwen - Talk 11:05, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I'd still like to see that section spun off to cut down the size of the main page. The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy cultural references perhaps? Also, how about a The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy list of actors page, to cover those who appeared in the radio series, LPs, TV series, photo illustrated edition of the book, and the movie?

 * Forgot to sign my previous comment. Oops. Went ahead and created the cultural references article, which removed 5 KB from the main article. We went down from 39KB to 34KB. --JohnDBuell | Talk 19:12, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The books are the most popular version?
Twice in the article the books are cited as being either the most popular version OR the most accessible version. Granted, the original radio episodes have not been available in America from an American (read: USA) distributor for some time, due to copyright clearances required for the music in the first six episodes, but there was a question submitted to the recent chat with Simon Jones and Geoffrey McGivern, where the questioner suggested that those two actors would be, to them, the definitive Arthur Dent and Ford Prefect. Does anyone have a quote or other citation to back the popularity claim? --JohnDBuell 20:00, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Neither wording is great, and certainly there's no justification for calling them 'definitive', but the books certainly are - by far - the best-known version; large numbers of people, if they know about the radio and television series at all, assume that they're unfaithful adaptations of the books rather than the original version of the story. They're also the most readily-available; libraries and bookstores everywhere have many copies and editions, while the radio and television recordings are, even now, less common. David Arthur 23:42, May 30, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, the books are often assumed to be definitive--but only by those who don't know that the radio scripts came first. I hope we can find a wording that gives primacy to the scripts. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 23:53, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Stuff to add
I presume the LP versions were only made due to rights issues in the first place. Do we know when the first LP/tape releases of the original series were made?

 * Going from Don't Panic, Pocket Companion: Hitchhiker's and Wish You Were Here it was more of a matter that there was a demand for a home release, even though Radio 4 repeated the episodes many MANY times over (as opposed to purely being a rights issue). But BBC Enterprises could not be convinced that a triple LP would be a good investment (and cassettes weren't that widespread yet), so they went to Original Records, and the LPs were released in 1979 and 1980. BBC Enterprises weren't convinced to do a novelization either, which is why THAT went to Pan Books, also in 1979. It's hard to say when the American tapes were first printed, the first holds a 1982 Hannibal Records copyright, the second has a 1980 DNA copyright (as noted in the article). --JohnDBuell | Talk 13:46, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * So when was the first release of the actual radio series made? Morwen - Talk 15:54, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * On cassette? No idea. The only info I have is the first RE-release of the cassettes was in the early 1990s, which is when DNA suggested the names "the Primary Phase" and "the Secondary Phase." --JohnDBuell | Talk 18:08, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Ah HA! I found it, it's in Pocket Essentials: Hitchhiker's Guide. The complete run of 12 episodes was first released by the BBC in September 1988 on six cassettes or six CDs, and that was the first ever BBC Radio Collection release on CD. Now, where do we insert this into the article? --JohnDBuell | Talk 02:28, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Also, could do with a description of the whole Hitchhiker's phenomenon and how it got to be so huge so quickly - how it broke america, and suchforth. Right now apart from the 2 sections at the end it doesn't really mention that. I will try and obtain some useful facts from Don't Panic. Morwen - Talk 12:46, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I did finally get my copy of Hitchhiker, and hope to read it and review the Omnibus and "Life the Universe and Douglas Adams" documentaries, and make any appropriate revisions. --JohnDBuell | Talk 21:37, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Section Headings
I think we need to clarify that the introduction deals with the fictional guide. Origin or origins worked better, being about the origin of the whole idea - I don't mind that it focuses on the idea of the fictional guide, but with the first heading being "The Book" it makes it seem like the novel came first, which it didn't. Perhaps go back to "Origin of the Guide" or "Origin of the fictional Guide" or something less ambiguous? --JohnDBuell | Talk 04:07, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

MJS and H2G2
I e-mailed M.J. Simpson this weekend, and asked him if he'd had a look at our pages. He said he had not, has no plans to, and would further ask that a biography of him NOT appear on Wikipedia, and for there not to be links between him and H2G2. Obviously, since his books are published already, we still have to appropriately cite sources, but I am removing wikilinks where I find them connected to his name, for a page that was never written. I'd recommend any other future editors please do the same, until and unless Mr Simpson changes his mind. --JohnDBuell | Talk 20:01, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I support the action in respect for MJ's decision (and I seriously doubt he's changing his mind). For further info, read this on his website: http://www.planetmagrathea.com/index2.html   — Kieff | Talk 20:28, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)

Setting
The new radio series appears to have retconned the original radio series to be set in the present day with talk of novelty ringtones and DVDs of Casablanca. Is there anything in the original radio series to contradict this (apart from the "what, from a fiver?" line)? Morwen - Talk 12:50, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * No, that's it. The first episode was the only one in any series to be set on Earth, and there's a lovely onscreen note that comes on when that line is spoken on the DVD: "Pure nostalgia, 1980's prices!" --JohnDBuell | Talk 21:24, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

H2G2 the international phenomenon
Do we want to possibly squeeze in a section about Adams's popular "live" readings of the H2G2 books in Germany, or the German or Finnish adaptations of the books into their own radio series (and the French adaptation of the original 12 episodes)? Also, should we say anything in the main article (or perhaps the movie article) about the $21 million opening US weekend, Disney's positive reaction to the film opening in first place, and the fact that the film DID manage to stay in the US top ten for four weeks? I can back up the first part from the Pocket Essentials book, and the second part with information from imdb.com. --JohnDBuell | Talk 23:19, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Also going with this, Hitchhiker (the biography) discusses several convention appearances by Adams in the early 1980s: Hitchercon I, Glasgow, Scotland, 26-28 September 1980, Terracon (a Star Trek convention) the weekend before Hitchercon I, Panopticon III, and ChiCon IV, Chicago, IL, USA, 2-6 September 1982 (his last con appearance). --JohnDBuell | Talk 20:27, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * We certainly want (some, if not all) of this. Would want definitely the movie stuff, and mentions of translations of the books.  And we need the info about the french/german/finnish  radio series somewhere.  It's getting harder and harder to squeeze stuff in without removing important stuff.  Morwen - Talk 22:19, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Sub-article? The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy overseas as a title perhaps? I was also reading about the BIG tour DNA did to promote the Infocom game AND the fourth book in the USA in 1984. Probably part of the reason the game sold 400,000 copies. --JohnDBuell | Talk 12:13, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Revised proposal: paragraph in the article in a section titled International Phenomenon and main article titled The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy as international phenomenon. We can start with the Worldcon in 1979 where H2G2 was nominated as the first radio series ever for a Hugo, lost to the original Superman movie, but that was the first exposure (other than shortwave radio) that many people from outside the UK had to the series, then go with the tours, and the other info I've touched on here. --JohnDBuell | Talk 15:59, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * That sounds good. Morwen - Talk 16:05, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Paragraph in main article done. Need to start the "international phenomenon" article, but I also need to scan a couple more book covers. --JohnDBuell | Talk 00:39, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * New article done! Or at least it has a GOOD head start! I included information from the USA, France, Finland and Germany, but if anyone has anything to add (Canada, Australia, New Zealand? Other nations and other translations?) PLEASE feel free to do so in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy as international phenomenon article! --JohnDBuell | Talk 03:48, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

References?
While the article goes through peer review, should we go ahead and include EVERYTHING in references? This would mean the radio series CDs, the script book, all five novels, the DVDs? Or is that overkill? --JohnDBuell | Talk 19:16, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Don't think we need to reference things for summaries and plot differences, but possible. I'm planning to nominate this article on Featured article candidates as soon as we get inline references sorted out as the people on peer review want.  Morwen - Talk 14:45, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Okay, if anyone asks for further references while we're in FAC, I have my books at the ready. Oh, and I did dig up a couple more details about early radio/TV broadcasts in the 25th anniversary Illustrated Edition of the book, but I'll probably put those in the new "international phenomenon" article. --JohnDBuell | Talk 17:13, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Quick question: Fourth paragraph in "The Original Radio Series section" where the note about the selection of Journey of the Sorcerer comes from Perkins's notes about the radio series, right out of the script book, should that get changed to the new note form? Bibliographical information on the script book is on its page. --JohnDBuell | Talk 18:32, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes. It should say "according to Perkins, blah bla blsh blah [then footnote]". Morwen - Talk 18:57, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Do you want me to do it and muck up the order (since it'd be under Adams, Douglas and Geoffrey Perkins), or do you want to? :) --JohnDBuell | Talk 19:35, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * We could re-use reference 2, since there's nothing in 4 that's not in 2? By the way, are you on IRC or any sort of instant messaging system?  Morwen - Talk 20:01, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Let me triple check and make sure there's not something in the revised edition that deletes a reference from the prior edition. It was more of a rewrite than just adding on material. And the answer to your other question is yes, but not at work. :) --JohnDBuell | Talk 20:37, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Gah, I forgot that Gaiman is between Adams and Simpson - meant 3 and 5 there, which still means we'd need to renumber things. Arsebiscuits.  OK. :)  Morwen - Talk 20:47, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Done. Script book is #2 now, Gaiman book is #3, and dropped the reference to the 1st edition Pocket Companion book, as the specific sections I referred to hadn't changed much. --JohnDBuell | Talk 23:20, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Okay I just made sure we are USING all seven books that we've cited, so I've made appropriate notations/changes. So who's going to turn the external links into notes? :P --JohnDBuell | Talk 12:27, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Notes are done. References and notes are using two different footnoting systems, but oh well. --JohnDBuell | Talk 18:40, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * You realise that there are only 9 notes but the spelling section refers to notes 10, 11 & 12, which aren't there? Hiding 10:32, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * That's because three more notes get created off of the Template:HitchhikerSpellingDisclaimer, and those notes are explained immediately after the disclaimer with bullet points. The ref/Note system is what creates [10], [11] and [12]. If we can find another system that does NOT create numbers, that would be ideal.

 * I see. I've only just started to use notes as I had the impression they were frowned upon, and I haven't quite worked out all the intricacies. Hiding 12:05, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Re-recorded Marvin songs
Apparently some new versions of the Marvin songs popped up on iTunes and suchforth for the movie? Could do with adding a sentence or two about (seem to recall that Fry sung them not Rickman??) Morwen - Talk 14:45, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Yep. "The Marvin Mixes" and "Guide Entries" - ALL done by Fry, in third person (for the Marvin songs). I've never been able to confirm who wrote the new guide entries but I suspect those were Fry as well. Should I drop track list info somewhere? I've got them downloaded on my home PC. --JohnDBuell | Talk 17:07, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Ok, added a sentence about this. Morwen - Talk 17:19, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

More spelling
Right. I went to Waterstones's today and looked at various editions of the book. Both forms are still in use "Hitch Hiker's" and "Hitchhiker's". However, in the text of the books themselves I was only able to find "Hitch Hiker's" used, even in the editions which actually have it Hitchhiker's on the spine. Morwen - Talk 12:56, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, if you'd like to change the template to reflect this, go ahead. But I'm inclined to leave what we have alone, since that was arranged at per a vote, and also following DNA's 2000 instructions (which is exactly what all of his biographers are doing, and even the script book changed all of the spellings to "Hitchhiker" retroactively). --JohnDBuell | Talk 22:46, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Don't think we should add, just noting here for information. Morwen - Talk 10:30, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Article length
Since I expanded the notes section, we've actually hit 42KB. --JohnDBuell | Talk 20:59, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Six by Nine
I reverted to correct 66.66.178.125's edit that changed "six by nine" to "six by seven" in The Restaurant at the End of the Universe section. I just thought I should point out here that "six by nine" is not a typo, regardless of the fact that six by nine is 54. (And even though six by nine is 42 in base 13, as Douglas Adams pointed out, "nobody makes jokes in base 13).

P.S. Congratulations on making 42 kilobytes. Ben Babcock 15:46, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm fixing the article to clarify that "six by nine" is not the ultimate question; it's the wrong question, which the Earth calculated after the Golgafrinchans screwed up its programming. DanielCristofani 3 July 2005 10:25 (UTC)

The Smiling Green Blob
Did Douglas Adams ever tell who/what the green blob is that's on every one of the books' covers? This has bugged me ever since I read the first book, so I am curious. --Bottles98
 * It was a logo that the U.S. publishers came up with to symbolise the idea of hitchhiking through the galaxy - I think it was supposed to be a planet sticking out its thumb, or something of the sort. Douglas Adams had nothing to do with it, and disliked it. David Arthur June 28, 2005 22:37 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks very much. I couldn't find anything online about it. I can understand why he didn't like it, it has nothing to do with anything, and just looks weird. --Bottles98
 * He didn't dislike it, he hated it. By the way, the green guy is called "Cosmic Cutie". Oh, and we should include this info somewhere in the article.   — Kieff | Talk June 29, 2005 01:30 (UTC)
 * There's a reference to Adams being a lot happier when the 42 puzzle was used for the late 90s editions of the paperbacks...but I don't remember in which book, and I won't have my books at hand until I'm back home next week. It'll be in one of M.J. Simpson's books, or Nick Webb's. --JohnDBuell | Talk 30 June 2005 02:52 (UTC)
 * I could've sworn he was named "Jeremy Pacman", though I guess that's a cultural reference that won't have crossed the Pacific... (See Jeremy Paxman for details.) I only ever saw him referred to by this name in the fanzine Mostly Harmless, though, so it's probably not official. Where does "Cosmic Cutie" come from? -- Guybrush 30 June 2005 04:04 (UTC)
 * I think you mean the Atlantic Ocean :) I do recall in whichever book it was (either Hitchhiker or Wish You Were Here) that "Cosmic Cutie" was the US name, and Jeremy Pacman was the UK nickname. I believe the artist is Peter Cross; the character appeared on all 5 US printings, and even the collected editions. Not sure if Harmony Books ever had an "official" name or not for the 'blob' --JohnDBuell | Talk 30 June 2005 05:20 (UTC)
 * You're quite right; that's what happens when an Antipodean chimes in about UK/US cultural references. I don;t think either name is official, though "Jeremy Pacman" is the only name I've seen Adams luminary MJ Simpson use, for example here. He should get a mention, with both names, if only so people know Adams hated him. Not sure why they brought him back for recent editions... -- Guybrush 30 June 2005 05:45 (UTC)
 * The "Jeremy Pacman" name is a pun on the name of the BBC TV interviewer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Paxman. I don't think it needs to be recorded in this entry.
 * FYI: The 'blob' does appear on the 1990s US VHS releases of the tv series and its documentary, the 1984 Infocom game, and the 2002 US DVD release. But it's NOT on the most recent reprintings of the books, these being tied in with the movie logo instead. --JohnDBuell | Talk 3 July 2005 07:02 (UTC)

Any volunteers?
Didn't want to do this myself, since this is an active FA. Hoopy and frood are both dicdefs that have been transwikied to Wiktionary. They are word invented b Adams in the book, and so should be merged and redirected here. One of the editors here want to do it? Thanks. --Dmcdevit 1 July 2005 22:32 (UTC)

 * This has been brought up on the Douglas Adams page as well (see Talk:Douglas Adams). Frankly I think it'd be a better fit there, because many of the positive things said about his use of language, and inventions of words, would apply to the Hitchhiker's series and to his other books. --JohnDBuell | Talk 3 July 2005 06:56 (UTC)


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I have a few projects in the fire. I edit a Polish news blog in English called PolBlog.

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Atlassian Software Systems
There is nothing noteworthy or encyclopedic about this company; it appears to be nothing more than a corporate ad and link to the company website. —Cleared as filed. 01:27, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

 * Speedy delete. Blatant advertising. Even "USA" and "Sydney, Australia" are external links to their website! -- RHaworth 08:55, 2005 July 12 (UTC)
 * Delete, blatant link spam. - Mgm|(talk) 11:06, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, advertising for non-notable company. Dcarrano 16:49, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete advert royblumy 21:40, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
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This category lists skyscrapers in Dubai, United Arab Emirates, including those under construction.

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Salami slicing tactics

Salami slicing tactics, also known as salami slicing, salami tactics, the salami-slice strategy, or salami attacks, is the practice of using a series of many small actions to produce a much larger action or result that would be difficult or unlawful to perform all at once.

Salami tactics are used extensively in geopolitics and war games as a method of achieving goals gradually without provoking significant escalation.

In finance, the term "salami attack" is used to describe schemes by which large sums are fraudulently accumulated by repeated transfers of imperceptibly small sums of money.

Financial schemes
Computerized banking systems make it possible to repeatedly divert tiny amounts of money, typically due to rounding off, to a beneficiary's account. This general concept is used in popular automatic-savings apps. It has also been said to be behind fraudulent schemes, whereby bank transactions calculated to the nearest smallest unit of currency leave unaccounted-for fractions of a unit, for fraudsters to divert into other amounts. Snopes in 2001 dismissed a popular account of such an embezzlement scheme as a legend.

In Los Angeles, in October 1998, district attorneys charged four men with fraud for allegedly installing computer chips in gasoline pumps that cheated consumers by slightly overstating the amounts pumped. The fraud was noticed by consumers who found that they'd been charged for volumes of gasoline greater than their cars' gas tank capacities.

In 2008, a man was arrested for fraudulently creating 58,000 accounts which he used to collect money through verification deposits from online brokerage firms, a few cents at a time.

In 1996, a fare box serviceman in Edmonton, Canada, was sentenced to four years' imprisonment for stealing coins from the city's transit agency fare boxes. Over 13 years, he stole 37 tonnes of coins, with a face value of nearly CA$2.4   million, using a magnet to lift the coins (made primarily of steel or nickel at the time) out of the fare boxes one at a time.

In Buffalo, New York, a fare box serviceman stole more than US$200,000 in quarters from the local transit agency over an eight-year period stretching from 2003 to 2011, and was sentenced to thirty months in prison.

China's salami slice strategy
The European Parliament Think Tank has accused China of using the salami slice strategy to gradually increase its presence in the South China Sea.

Salami slicing in scientific publishing
Scientists are often evaluated by a number of papers published and similar criteria. In this context, salami slicing refers to "fragmenting single coherent bodies of research into as many publications as possible". If the fragment is too small it may be too hard to publish, so this includes forming minimal publishable items. It can be harder to collect, digest, understand and evaluate the research when scattered in a number of sources. It also leads to repetitive descriptions of context, bibliography lists and so on. Regarding that it is costly to scientific dissemination process, it is often considered a bad practice or even unethical. Some authors managed to divide research to extreme proportions. Salami slicing "can result in a distortion of the literature by leading unsuspecting readers to believe that data presented in each salami slice (i.e., journal article) is derived from a different subject sample".

Salami slicing is considered a type of scientific misconduct.

Film
In the 2016 film Arrival, Agent Halpern mentions a Hungarian word meaning to eliminate your enemies one by one. It is thought that this alludes to szalámitaktika.

Salami slicing has played a key role in the plots of several films, including Hackers, Superman III, and Office Space.

Television
In a 1972 episode of the TV series M*A*S*H, Radar attempts to ship an entire Jeep home from Korea one piece at a time. Hawkeye commented that his mailman "would have a retroactive hernia" if he found out. The 1987 TV movie Perry Mason: The Case of the Murdered Madam features a murder trial involving the transfer of fractional cents by bank employees.

Music
Johnny Cash's "One Piece at a Time" has a similar plot to the aforementioned M*A*S*H episode, but with a Cadillac made up of parts spanning model years 1949 through 1973.

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