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User talk:Shackleton

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Soul Calibur character articles
- I think its great you're making pages for some of the Soul Calibur characters. I do have an issue with your saying "____ has appeared in all subsequent sequels". Since the only sequel to SC is SC2 so far, you're implying that there is more than one sequel. This will be true in Fall 2005 (late August I believe), but it is not yet. Also, some of the characters are not officially confirmed yet either. For example, Cervantes has not been officially confirmed for SC3 as far as I know. Consequently I think its best to mention that a character apperaed in both SC and SC2 and is confirmed or not confirmed for SC3. Bubbachuck 04:11, 21 July 2005 (UTC) +

 * I put a message in your profile regarding that and have made the appropriate changes. Now let's forget this ever happened, even if it will be permanently engraved in the history of the page. --Shackleton (21 July 2005)

Seung Mi Na vs. Seung Mina
I'll revert it back. If you want to mention that "Mi Na" is more correct than "Mina" you can do so in her Discussion page. You can explain your reasoning too. Bubbachuck 07:25, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

sorry
I forgot about that last names come first. --Dangerous-Boy

Tekken characters
The last few months of edit history on the List of Tekken characters article (where all the profiles were previously kept) haven't shown much growth; mostly just cleanup and re-organizing. It doesn't seem like many of them will expand much over time, as some characters seem to be completely irrelevant to the storyline.

However, I do see how such a quick follow-up to the previous VFD would incite bad feelings, even if I didn't intend it that way. User:Tony Sidaway has already deleted it, anyway, so I guess I'll just leave it alone for a while and let the Tekken fans sort it out. I noticed that a few users have already redirected some of minor characters to Tekken characters.

In any case, thanks for the feedback. --Poiuyt Man talk 06:35, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Yoshi
Hey good job on fixing up the Yoshimitsu (video game character) page. I like the profile information you have...though I wish the SC profile were first I'll concede for historical reasons. I'm not sure if its a good idea to call the two Yoshis "nearly identical" because really, its all in the looks...from what I've seen, they play nothing alike. I'll tinker with that intro a lil bit. Overall though, great job. I will try to upload representative videos for the other characters too, so that it can be its own section. There's a wealth of videos out there. Bubbachuck 22:52, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

List of Soul Calibur terms
I made the page before I checked to see whether there was a list of fighting terms, however I do believe it has its merits. Although I agree that many of the SC terms apply to other fighters as well, like Okizeme and Whiff, many are specific to Soul Calibur, like Step Guard or 2-guard or Attack Throw etc. I will eventually link to the main fighting terms list for more info once I nail down the specifics to the SC game engine. I am not very familiar with other fighting games so if someone were to merge the pages together, I would hope one with an intimate knowledge of all the fighting games covered would do so. I have not looked thoroughly but even if there is no precedent for a terms list, that does not mean one shoudl not exist. Such a list is useful for the general audience who wants to learn more about the game. I want the List... page to appeal to the general audience but I do hope that someone who is looking for more insight would also find the page helpful. That is why I have made the page as readable as I can without going overly technical. Also please keep in mind that I will add a lot more terms later, as well as a quick overview of the numbering system (e.g. 236B) when I have the time. I am not used to the actual names of the moves b/c I generally use the numbering system b/c it describes the move input, making it easier to remember for someone who plays but I will look them up and add them for the general public. You can vote to merge, and it will probably pass because I'd bet most people do not know enough about the engine and would just assume fighting game terms would apply equally to everyone. However I feel that would worsen Wikipedia overall because the overall disorderliness would increase. I could eventually list 15 or so terms unique to SC and 20 terms that apply to fighting games in general. -- Bubbachuck 20:17, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

 * i'm prob gonna move the page to wikibooks once i learn how. -- Bubbachuck 04:32, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Yunsung
sure i could make it but it seems that you know the most about the story. i have a very rough idea of his backstory but i can make a preliminary version. i'm (supposed to be) busy this next week but i'll do what i can. -- Bubbachuck 08:49, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

 * its done. copy-pasted history from List... site.  commence obsessive-compulsive edits. -- Bubbachuck 04:30, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Hayate
Disambiguation is only necessary if there is another meaning of the article title. If Hayate only refers to the DOA character, it should stay undisambiguated. Zoe 22:36, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

How are you doin?
Haven't heard from you in awhile. You doing OK? -- Bubbachuck 04:28, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

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Hey thanks for the message!
I'm 68.233.141.149. I do in fact have an account already, I just sometimes forget to log in when making an addition as my cookies are a bit awkward. Sometimes It'll log out even if I try to keep logged in once in a while, or sometimes I just forget to do that altogether.

But thanks for the commentary anyways!--Kiyosuki 05:46, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

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Hello Shackleton, was wondering if you could tell me how I could formally invite someone to become a wikipediean, as you did for me? Yoho721 22:36, 16 August 2007 (UTC)Yoho721

Sriwijaya rulers
Hello Shackleton, I have attempted to answer your question regarding names of Sriwijaya rulers in Talk:Srivijaya, :-) Anda Djoehana 05:20, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

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User talk:Fadix/archive

Welcome
Hi! Welcome to wikipedia. In regarding your edits to the Armenian genocide article, Please read the following articles: Wikipedia is not an online forum. Armenian genocide is a dispute that is yet to be resolved. Your edits are POV (point of view) oriented. No one is or can acknowlege or deny the Armenian Genocide on wikipedia. Please read the articles below, you are  OBLIGATED to follow thse: Thank you for your time! --Cool Cat My Talk 14:43, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Neutral point of view
 * What Wikipedia is not

I DID READ EVERYTHING ON WIKIPEDIA, AND ITS NOTE ON WHAT IS NEUTRAL, NONE OF WHAT I WROTE ARE POV, EVERY POINTS I BROUGHT WERE NOT MY OPINION BUT WHAT IS SAID BY THE LARGE MAJORITY OF THE ACCADEMIA, THE LIST OF CONCENTRATION CAMPS IS RECOGNISED AND WELL ESTABLISHED... THE SPECIAL ORGANIZATION AS WELL, I WONDER HOW THOSE CAN BE POV. SHOW ME WHICH POV, SHOW ME JUST ONE POV I HAVE USED, AND I WILL REFER TO YOU TO DOZENS OF WORKS SHOWING THAT THE CLAIMS ARE NOTE MINE.

Coolcat, etc
I won't take sides between you two. I want to see signs that you have both read, understood and abide by Wikipedia policies and guidelines, especially the following ones:

 * No personal attacks
 * Consensus
 * Neutral point of view

So far despite the protestations from both sides I'm not seeing a lot of this from either of you. No calling one another childish, no calling one another whackos. I'll be watching both of you and I don't want to be disappointed. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 01:28, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I am working on NPOVing the article. As far as I remeber I did not refer him as "childish" I revered to revert wars beeing childish and how much I want to evade one. I am urging my remote party, to read my edits carefully and stop acusing me with things. That article is NOT neutral. If you cannot deal with oposing views you dont belong to wikipedia. You are not right neither I am, this is a contriverisal topic. I dont care of your support. This article is based on a dispute, the article should not be for neither sies view. I amde a few edits, tell me what you think. BTW, please do NOT revert, overwrite, scream, whinine, swear, insult me/my edits without discussing. Instead please discuss. I expect to see a civilised discussion there is no reason for threats. --Cool Cat My Talk 01:48, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Your general attitude towards wikipedia is not promissing judjing from your very own talk page. This is neither a warzone nor a forum you can "fight" on, while you are free to put whatever you like but wikipedia is not your own which you can do whatever you like... I am only being tolerant to your general attitude due to the Please do not bite the newcomers. You will work with me and other mods not against us. We may disagree but you have to reason. --Cool Cat My Talk 01:48, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * My attitude is very understandable given that you have reverted back what I have justified with 160 pages of answers. You have not justified any of your edits. Wikiepdia neutral point of view concerns presenting opposing views, but giving more places to the one recognized by most. Another thing that the Neutral point of view doesn't include, is to give false informations about a claim. If a claim is A, you can not claim that that claim is B. I am not telling here that the claim should not be included, what I am saying is that it should be presented as it is claimed and not your POV. Both Turks and Armenians knows that I have done extensive research about this issue, I have written reviews about works etc. I am ready to include the opposing point of view, but you edit my article by claim that there are POV, but you introduce POV yourself. Whuile I just justified in the talk page why I will be editing back some of the informations, it is expected that you will be reverting them without even talking about it in the talk page. That's disgusting given that I spent hours and hours and 160 pages to justify the entirety. I know that as a Turk you have your own opinions, but my position doesn't end up with simply opinions, for over 5 years I have read about that issue and have reviewed the major works published about it, and I won't accept that someone that because of his opinion moderate me not because I am not respect Wikipedia rules, but rather because he can't accept something. When I say most “scholars” there is no reason for you to delete that info and claim that there is two opposing view, without indicating that one of those two views is what is supported by most neutral scholars. And again, I repeat, I could very well add in the Holocaust entry at top like you do with the Armenian genocide. Indicating that Jewish and Muslem views are presented there... because as I stated, the majority of the Muslim doubt the Holocaust did happen. Even thought the Ottoman Empire is an Islamic Empire, the Armenian genocide is more recognized than the Shoah among the Muslim. There are many Arab historians that have treated about the subject and just recently a work documenting them has been published. Those are not POV, thos are relevant informations and you can not only edit them. Fadix 15:10, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Well if the majority of the muslims dispute it you cannot come out of nowhere claimin its a fact. It is not my position to dispute it or acknowlege it. I am not Turkish. I happen to live in Turkey due to the nature of my assignment. What you blieve are facts are not necesarily facts. You are acusing a nation of a massacre. That is neither widely accepted nor disputed as far as wikipedia is concerened. You claim to follow a cause to proove Amenian Genocide, while I am trying to make it neutral. I discussed my points long before you got here. You cannot bluntly come here out of nowhere and claim your beliefs as facts. It does not matter how many hundereds of pages of stuff you throw at me it is a POINT OF VIEW. I believe its reasonable to say. A scholar with a point of view is not neutral. The wikipedia policy if you had had read the NPOV article goes like this: "Fairness and sympathetic tone If we're going to characterize disputes fairly, we should present competing views with a consistently positive, sympathetic tone. Many articles end up as partisan commentary even while presenting both points of view. Even when a topic is presented in terms of facts rather than opinion, an article can still radiate an implied stance through either selection of which facts to present, or more subtly their organization — for instance, refuting opposing views as one goes along makes them look a lot worse than collecting them in an opinions-of-opponents section.

We should, instead, write articles with the tone that all positions presented are at least plausible, bearing in mind the important qualification about extreme minority views. Let's present all significant, competing views sympathetically. We can write with the attitude that such-and-such is a good idea, except that, on the view of some detractors, the supporters of said view overlooked such-and-such a detail." Read the article then start doing edits. Dont claim you read it until you actualy have read it. You cannot claim that the "majority" believes in so such and such, thats your majority. You cannot talk as the voice of all scholars. If you cannot honor the oposing view you are POV oriented. --Cool Cat My Talk 16:37, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * You are sabotaging the entire Wikipedia concept. I repeat, stop policing every entries involving Turkey. It is the first time I hear from a non-Turk: “You are acusing a nation of a massacre.” Because that actually show that you are in no way in any position to moderate the Armenian genocide entry neither any of the entries involving Turkey in anyway. And I think that if you think a little about it, you will understand why this is not accusing a nation of genocide, more than any other nations being accused of any genocides. You claim having discussed about the issue in the past, I have actually read every single material posted at the talk page, and I have seen no any contribution coming from your part. If I am blind, show me where. The talk page is there for a purposes, it is for discussion, you can not just decide what you consider as “true” and revert articles, this is not how it works... more so, when there has about 200 pages of discussions on the talk pages.

 * And again, you fail to understand, the neutral point of view make it clear that it is logical that as much places should be left to a version as it is agreed among the Academia. You claim that my majority “claim” is untrue. That's ridiculous, I have read over a hundred work regarding the issue, and many opposing it... have read hundreds of essays, I study the matter for over 5 years. And it is clear that this affirmation is true, even the first works regarding World war I support the theses of planed destruction of the Armenians... One of those I have here on my desk right now: “A Brief History of the Great War” by Carlton J. H. Hayes” published in 1920. I don't see what is wrong as to say “most” when it is most. Right now you live in Turkey, so you're under the impression that it isn't true, but I do live in Canada, have access to an Inter loan program, have visited all the major libraries in my area... I just have to search Armenians in the index, and it is obvious that it is “most.”

 * And this is not about a scholars point of view, this is what is said about an event, and what most of those scholars say it.

 * And, I NEVER EDIT, something before actually having read it and justifying my edition, unless it is adding a link. I do not just shoot “POV and propaganda” I visit the talk page and tell it. This is not what you do, you just go on your way and decide to sabotage the Armenian genocide entry, and now that you have learned the non-English entries do not support your position, you want to report that. Mind here that an admin there and another acting as a mod, both were moderating it. You can not sell your positions in everything that concerns Turkey.Fadix 17:51, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Nagorno Karabagh protection
Yes, when we protect a disputed page we always have to make a choice (even if the choice we make is not to make a conscious choice) about which version to protect. Whichever version we protect, the others may think that it amounts to an endorsement of that version--which it isn't. Wikipedia isn't a sport and administrators aren't referees. We're not more likely to be able to judge which is the best of two competing versions of a page, and usually we're much *less* likely to know which is best. Nevertheless we are usually told by both sides that their version is the one true version.

There are two good documents to look at which might help. The first one is serious: Protection policy. The second is less serious, a jokey response to all those complaints we get: The Wrong Version. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 15:37, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Armenian Genocide
"My edits are explained in the talk page. If I forgot any expl. point to it in the talk page" Your edits no matter how well you explain them are not neutral. I made several of them neutral. you reverted my edits. What bothers me is not the material you added, but the way you input it. You are bluntly acusing the other party with murder while not giving the other party anyway to respod react or give their views. Wikipedia is not your forum. Sincerely. --Cool Cat My Talk 14:03, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * My edits ARE neutral, yours aren't. Read Wikipedia neutral point of view, you can not present two versions equally when they are not represented equally in the Academia, my edits clearly present the Turkish government version, and give more place to what is more widely accepted. Look CoolCat, I can present here a list of over a hundred book I have read about the issue, and a good portion of them, revisionist materials... I can present the reviews I have posted, I have enough of this anti-academic policy in Wikipedia, I do not inject myself in discussions I ignore about, so I ask you to do the same. If you have any problem with any of the points I raised brought them in the talk page, and not just shou8t they are not neutral.

 * Fact, most Academics support my position, and even the moderate work: “Is the Holocaust Unique.” Why don't you present a list of books you have read about the topic? Why don't you present reviews of works? People like you are killing Wikiepdia by introducing national biases. And I can present here Turks who will affirm that your edits are not Neutral even though they may disagree with me. You can not present equally what the international community accept as fact, and the majority of Academics with what is supported by Turkey... if you do that, you hijack the article.Fadix 16:47, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I suggest you both read this. Take it as a polite warning about the consequences of the path you are treading by insisting that your version is more neutral than all the others: MPOV.

I know it's going to be hard for you both to agree a version of Armenian Genocide, if only because it *is* a very controversial issue bound up with national identity and a very turbulent period of history for that region. I think, Fadix, that your idea of going to mediation is a good step forward, and I urge noth you and Coolcat to give it an honest try. Don't get caught in the trap that Tabib and Rovoam have gotten into, where eventually (surprisingly quickly, actually) the issue goes before Arbcom and you could both stand to be penalised for failing to cooperate in the spirit of openness. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 17:02, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks Tony, in my opinion, you're the most neutral I have encountered in the English Wikipedia. Who are mediators, and how are they selected?
 * Now you have chosen a mediator? And yet never tell me... -_- --Cool Cat My Talk 00:23, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * But I warned you that I will be asking for a mediation today, what did you think that I was lying? He(Jwrosenzweig) asked me to chose a mediator, I have read his page, and since he has a Bachelor in history I have chosen him, if you don't like him, we can compromise for another one, but I thought that a gratuate in history was the best choice.Fadix 00:31, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Armenian Genocide
I am very happy that you consider my edits to be neutral. :-) In my opinion, at least the lead section of the article is now quite good, and lay out the straight facts, without actually supporting/rejecting any of the two sides of this issue. Stereotek 17:51, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * The problematic with this subject is that it is very difficult to not support one side against the other. There is a clear disproportion between the two positions. And more, how do we handle the special organization? The subject has not been covered by any revisionists. Their claim is that there was no genocide and that Armenians were removed for treachery, but they never raise the question of the special organization, or such things. I don't know if you understand what I mean. What I mean is that some of those key elements are not covered by the other side, which means there is no "other" interpretations for them. So, the reader will obviously think that the article is not neutral. There are many such issues attached with the Armenian cases that I will be covering, and I really don't know how they can be neutralized. Example, the Ottoman barred relief by pretext that nothing is wished to be done that could prolong their lives...

 * Another example, the Ottoman allies position during the war, if I present it, the reader will ultimatly think that this is not a controversial subject, and rightfully so. If I refer to the fact that it is the second most studied genocide, they will think that the article is supporting the theses of genocide. If I point out the fact that Raphael Lemkin, the person who coined the term genocide included the Jewish and Armenian cases not only as cases of genocide, but as well as part of the definition, it will clearly indicate a genocide.

 * How am I to handle this? For me it is like trying to propose equaly the theses that Earth is flat, and the theses that Earth is spherical... if I were to cover such a subject, if I present both cases, and their strong arguments, obviously one side will have the strongest arguments against the other and the subject won't appear neutral. Fadix 18:24, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

If you post accusations of bias on my talk page (regardless of who it is about) please provide links to the proof. The talk page of the article is far too long to follow all the time, and I can't really find the actual edits in the history either. Also, what you posted is primarily aimed at Cool Cat and should therefore be at his talk page. If you want me to be aware of your comment, a small note is more than enough. Mgm|(talk) 22:58, Mar 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * Right now, the only thing I am after is that I want a mediator, I just hope that after that he doesn't still claim biases. You want links, but the problem is not just one example, biases is all over the place, I cover this in the talk page of the Armenian Genocide entry, and have seen many other biases introduced by him in other entries involving Turkey. He delete informations to mislead the reader, if you go at the history, just follow the other member that now edit, and compare them with Coolcat edits to see what he does. Fadix 23:24, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I am living in the US, you make asumptions regarding me and I dont like that. Also in wikipedia do not TALK to me on someone elses talk page thats like talkig to me from someone elses phone instead of mine. --Cool Cat My Talk 14:58, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Sorry for that then, from your words you claimed living in Turkey. Fadix 17:44, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the response, Fadix. But could you be a little less wordy and provide links to prove the things you say. I can't keep track of everyone's edits. Mgm|(talk) 08:44, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)

ORDER
YOU ARE ORDERED THAT ALL YOUR EDITS MUST BE APPROVED BY COOLCAT. YOU MUST OBTAIN PERMISSION FROM NOW ON TO EDIT ANYTHING ON THIS SITE. YOU ARE COMMANDED. IF YOU BREAK THIS RULE, YOU SHALL BE PUNISHED. PUNISHMENT WILL BE SEVERE AND SLOW. THIS ORDER IS FROM THE HIGHEST LEVEL. YOU ARE COMMANDED

 * Can an Admin confirm this message above? If not, shall I suppose that it is just cheap tricks?

 * It's in all caps and no one signed it, and it's an anon edit in the history. I think it's safe to ignore it. I'll try to find out who posted it. Mgm|(talk) 08:36, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)

 * User posted 67.67.114.200 Anonaymous, unlikely to be an admin, IP trace ends at St.Louis, I never equiested such a thing, nor am I remotely involoved.
 * My surveys were only me investiogating if I were over reacting, Survey suggested I was. It was a mesure for me to check myself.
 * I'll be blacklisting the IP and gathering data. That is not how we do things on wikipedia anyways.
 * I dont refer to cheap tricks. --Cool Cat My Talk 08:54, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Does it really matter who wrote the above? Is it a violation of any of Wikipedias policies, and is it really worth wasting a developers time with? I think it might very well be more important, to know who is behind the anonymous ip address that just vandalized the Armenian Genocide article: Stereotek 15:44, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * I serriously think you should report me to the vandalism people. I hyjack articles by correcting spelling.

Torque's attacks on you at Talk:Armenian Genocide
Hi, I found a personal attack on Torque and deleted it, then tonight I looked at what he had written and of course a lot of that was a very personal attack on you, so I went through and deleted the most personal stuff. The stuff I left in, don't assume it's my opinion, I was just trying to separate his statements about Armenians in general (which are clearly racist and, after consulting with others, I may remove totally) from his personal attacks on you (which are utterly not permitted). --Tony Sidaway|Talk 00:29, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * No problem, I have not problem you delete any personal attacks made by me against other persons, as long as you moderate equaly from both side, and you seem to do just that. Unfortunitly for the comming days, I will be away(work)... but I can now know that there is someone actualy doing some editing job. Regards. 24.202.58.17 01:59, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Armenian Genocide entry vandalism
If you think what someone is doing is vandalism, report it on Vandalism in progress, but first check at Vandalism to make sure what you're seeing is vandalism and not edits you disagree with (there is a difference).

If you think a user's behavior is beyond the pale, you can take it to dispute resolution. See Resolving disputes for details on how to do this. Any user whose behavior is unacceptable will be made to stop, one way or another.

However I think you should be wary of making threats of the kind you made on my talk page. This kind of behavior in itself is close to the kind of behavior that could get you banned. For good. Please try to remain civil, no matter what the provocation. We value the content of our encyclopedia and the happiness of those who work hard to produce it--you included. Please trust us to ensure that nobody is permitted to destroy either. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 00:05, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

You may wait longer than you think for the administration to act. Revering spelling corrections and declaring vandalims is hardly good manners. --Cool Cat My Talk 01:43, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC) I already told you that I am using my default template regarding Armenian Genocide article and that I was not suggestion I were a mediator. If you are not going to bother read other peoples arguments what are you trying to achieve? And do NOT edit my template. --Cool Cat My Talk 01:50, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Those are NOT only spelling corrections, and you know it... you are trying to relativize... this is called vendalism. From the begining you have tried to sabotate the entry, have admitted not knowing about the topic, and regardless you make changes that have to do with "knowledge" rather than neutralization. And you have even questioned the person that was acting like a moderator... while you jump on when someone question your participating in every entires related with Turkey. You are vandalising articles, you've been colloring them with your POVs, and now you have decided to even get involved with the Karabagh entry. Besides, you have suggested yourself as a mediator, you are not on the list of mediators, you have no power to mediate boards. On what the administrators of Wikipedia are sleeping on? I have requested a mediator. Fadix 02:16, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

You know I'll make this easy for you. Why dont you just accept my suggestion and think of other words to describe he camps. Lets see what we come up with. Something that means both a relocation camp and a concentration camp. Just think it as a word game. We dont have to put the word in the article. Lets jsut work together for a start. --Cool Cat My Talk 04:26, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Were people not concentrated there by force? Was it not called a concentration camp? How do you expect me to believe you are sincere, when you want an equivalent as asking me to find an alternative for the word car to name a car? Fadix 04:32, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

mediation spam
I thought I'd bring this to your attention: Templates for deletion. — Davenbelle 06:28, Mar 27, 2005 (UTC)

Accusations of vandalism
Please stop accusing people of vandalism when it's really a content dispute. That is an unacceptable personal attack. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 15:55, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I do not accuse people of vandalism, but Coolcat of vandalism. I call vandalism, when someone purpously delete informations from an entry to mislead the reader... deletion of important informations. Coolcat hasn't drop his request to "present two positions as equaly valid" and his 50-50. This is against Wikipedia NPOV... and he still repeat it, when in the same time claiming to start a fresh talk. Until he dosen't drop this request that is POV, and he still continue in his quest to edit the article to fit that scheme, I will call vandalism by its name, and I see nothing in any Wikipedia rules, that forbit me to call vandalism, such a misbehavour. This is not about the content, this is about Coolcat that want to delete important informations. Fadix 16:23, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * If you want to see real personal attacks, visit Coolcat member page, and see for what he is using it, not only on top, but as well his foodchain. I think this is clearly against Wikipedia policy. Fadix 16:38, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Personal attacks on Coolcats personal page
No, I am very sure that it is against Wikipedias policies to have such accusations and insults against named Wikipedians on the userpage, and it would proberly be safe to remove it. However, I think that we should just leave it as it is. If Coolcat wants to advertise with all the Wikipedians that he annoy with his low quality/POV edits, then let him! It only hurts himself. Coolcat's attempt to be a 'mediator' in the Armenian Genocide article is of course plain ridicules. He is a part of the conflict, and as you mentioned not on the list of mediators. His template was apparently deleted earlier today. Anyway, please continue your great work on the Armenian Genocide article, and remember never to give away any excuses by making ANY personal comments. When Torque and Coolcat attack you, then don't respond to it. Just ask them not to use personal attacks against you. That way, they only hurt themself. Anyway, I'll continue to watch Coolcat's edits and confront any POV edits that he make. Stereotek 17:57, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

It is what I think of you and notes to self, and what I think you are. I will not be intimidated by your conquest. --Cool Cat My Talk 20:44, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * This is childish a teen "personal Journal" mentality. It is an attack against members, openly on a page that is not there for discussion. It is disrespectable. Fadix 20:50, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * I thought you might want to know that is no longer the case, my apologies I wasnt thinking clearly at the time. --Cool Cat My Talk 03:57, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Confesion
I apologise for any insults or personal attacks I may have refered to, I expect the same, know that I have my sincere apologies. I have to admit I am not the best candidate dealing with newbies, and once you are also a veteran you will understand. :)

We can make a productive enviorment for both of us if we work together. I have a need to clarify a few things:
 * I do not want any article to be one sided. I want them to be factual instead. Armenian Genocide for exapmle has a lot of room for debate, while Gravity does not. I am not here to disprove the genocide.
 * I urge you to folow Wikiquette while discussing.
 * While Torque was not being a perfect follower of Wikiquette with his discussion with you, you weren't any better. I want to keep it to that.

I believe in Hate brings Hate thats why I am trying very hard to "forget" so please do not refer to previous "things"
 * I understand some of my comments regarding the factuality of some genocide related material as unacceptable, I urge you to read throughly.
 * One thing you have to realise is that a one sided article will probably vandalised rather quickly by people with misguided energy.

The genocide issue in a nutshell

 * I know very little regarding the topic to present the views of the Anti-genocide side. All my suggestions were based on web sites. While I am not claiming they were factual, I am pointing out an oposing view exists.
 * You may have been affected by pro genocide propoganda more than you think. We should base the article promarily on what both parties of the pro-anti genocide sides. Material like most scholars, most academia in the lead statement conflicts with this.
 * You should not have a need to create an aurora that genocide is widely accepted before the article starts
 * You should start from a 50/50 aproach and then make your case.
 * You claim your material is factual, which we are discussing, asuming it is you do not need a biased lead statement, the reader should deremine what he believes to be the case and where he/she stands. The user does not have to pick a side either.
 * Please do not insist on things that afects article wide, we can determine that later. The article may end up 50/50 or 60/40 or any ratio. Lets discuss our way to a concensus.
 * I prefer you do not rever any edits I make. Instead comment out the part you dont like. this is how you do it

By using the tag you will remove the material from the article but it will be there for anyone who edits the page. --Cool Cat My Talk 05:41, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * You did not realise this initialy I believe.
 * You should not revert things on wikipedia unless you have to. Reverting pov will only cause someone else to revert it back. And lead to a "foolish" and unproductive revert war. I want to evade that.

Do you see my reasoning? I could not have see yours before my buddy Tony pointed me things out.
 * I believe you sincerely want to prove the genocide, which is fine, however you should not be close minded. Your last measage on my talk page suggest you are not close minded. I want to believe that, dont prove me wrong.
 * We both are santient beings we can discuss things.
 * I recomend we use the color format I introduced.

--Cool Cat My Talk 05:45, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * After we finalise the article we can edit rest of wikipedia refering to this event.

 * Sorry, as we can see, you are not ready for debate but you try to dictate things that have nothing to do with neutrality but all to do with POV. I told you, the Turkish government version should be presented, but it should be indicated who says what, it is a take or leave. I repeat and repeat, you CAN NOT hide who says what. You can not take priests positions in a scientific article and present it with scientists position, without saying who says what. The lead of the article should say important things, and that most Western Academics support one theses against another is VERY IMPORTANT, and should be left there. There is nothing such as 50-50 goal, and if it end up like that, it should be left as that. Both parties best arguments and their critics should be presented, I have no problem with that, as much space as it is given in the Academia, I have mno problem with that, but don't expect me to delete arguments because one sides arguments are stronger, obviously there is one sides argument that is stronger, that's why most academics take that position against the other. I can't help it, this has nothing to do with "proving" the genocide. This has everything to do with presenting important points regarding an issue. You still havn't droped your "Two positions as equaly valid." I told you countless numbers of times, that until you don't drop that anti-Wikipedian policy, there is no way to discuss with you about the issue.

 * And yes! I see your reasoning, your reasoning is to dissolve the genocide entry. Your reasoning is to dissolve strong arguments from one side to make it appear as the entry present two equivalent and equal proposition. Another thing Mr. Coolcat, yesterday I have seen you finding other members and continuing your petitioning, that is a disgusting behavor that you still continue, you've been alleterting now I believe 10 or close to 10 members. Fadix 16:12, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * I pulled back all my requests (that I remeber). I was asking them help on how to manage you, I never requested a block or anything, I asked them how to handle you by porviding them how you "acted", I am also a newbie in handling newbies, I asked for how they did it. The more hsotile you get with me the more hostile I get with you. You want to promote facts regarding to the genocide, that is fine. You have to word it in the most powerfull and politicaly correct way. I am not dictating anything, I am suggesting things you can do what the heck you want. If you cant agree on anything with me you cant achieve anything either. Work woth me not against me.

 * Sugeestions:
 * Drop the accusations such as "to dissolve the genocide entry", If I wanted that there would be an overwhelming Turkish side, I can get multiple IP's on campus and only a selective group of them can find out. You must understand that technology is my field, I appear as one person, I could have posed as 10 or 20 or more to overwhelm you off the discussion.
 * Refer to me as Coolcat, drop the Mr. I do not like formal Mr. to be used with my nick
 * Dont tell me I am not ready to discuss, this isnt the first contraverisal topic I discussed, I clearly know the methods to be used, I can practice them when I am accused of hidden agendas and so fourth. I am trying to expose you to the proper methods which you see as me trying to dictate how article will be edited. I gave you numerous examples how we can discuss without drowning each other.

 * Discuss anything regarding the article in the article talk, no where else, If I apear inactive for more than a day notify me on my talk page, I am busy with a lot of articles. Most notabley NATO ranks, I pride that one. As well as causal vandalist whatch, and hunt for stubs.
 * Two sides are equaliy valid when you are forexample defining the Organisation "Teşkilát-ı Mahsusa" the definition should accompany both sides views. Both sides agree criminals were involved, both sides do not agree that the organisation existed to kill armenians. I am not saying it will be presented 50-50. I am saying there is no ration we will establish. My objective is not to purge science fact, my objective is to hide science fiction created by genocide. If you start researching genocide by believeing in it you results will not be as accurate as you want them to be. Dont interperete meanings, I an not trying to acuse you, I am suggesting bear with me lets hear your case. You wont be able to "prove" genocide, you wont be able to present it as a fact, article however may end up supporting your case, or maybe declining it at certain points. --Cool Cat My Talk 08:44, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * You're ignored. Fadix 01:00, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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AMAZING pic change on the Dio page. It's been a long time since I last looked at the page, but I noticed it was new immediately. RIP. SSBDelphiki (talk) 13:53, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

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User talk:Jbminn

Welcome!
Hello, Jbminn, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thanks for your contributions; I hope you like it here and decide to stay. We're glad to have you in our community! Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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Happy editing!

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Freepository
The last editor to the page tagged the article as db-web, citing its Alexa Web Traffic Ranking. If you go to Alexa.com and search Freepository, you get a web traffic ranking of 4,449,067. This definitely fails WP:WEB criteria. If you do a Google search, you get only 11,900 hits. If you look at "What links here", you see that the article was only linked to one other article. All this led to my decision to delete the article. I doubt that Freepository really handles that many accounts when it has that low of a Alexa ranking, and I also doubt that it really is compared to SourceForge at all. SourceForge is ranked #88 on Alexa, and Google generates nearly 80,000,000 hits for "SourceForge". How does 4,449,067 compare with 88? How does 80,000,000 compare with 11,900? Upon reviewing all these items, I still believe the article was correctly deleted. Nish kid 64  13:07, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your reply. There are two factual and/or logical errors in the approach you've outlined:

 * 1. Freepository and Sourceforge are either compared, listed together or discussed on 1340 pages (Google 8:15am MST 22-Oct-2006).
 * 2. Freepository's usage as a source control tool - on a daily basis - is via sserver & https traffic that isn't measured by Alexa, or any of the other traffic sites.

 * By our internal measures (not externally verifiable), there is approximately 8 times more direct traffic to the site via sserver connections than https (all traffic is either sserver or https, http is immediately redirected to https so that no tranmission of source code goes across the wire in clear-text).  Freepository manages over 12,000 very active projects for engineers worldwide, the majority of whom access the service via a direct sserver connection.

 * Trusting Alexa's ratings is widely disputed in general, so citing Alexa rankings as a factor in making a speedy delete decision is unsound. See  Alexa - Amazon's Most Flawed Idea  for one example of the analysis of Alexa, and conclusions about its usefulness.  From Alexa itself:

 * "The Alexa Toolbar turns itself off on secure pages (https:). Sites with secure page views will be under-represented in the Alexa traffic data." - source Alexa- Traffic Learn More

 * May I suggest you take a look at the paper that was cited in the original article - [[ http://www.ibiblio.org/fosphost/eval_fosphost090.pdf | Construction of an Evaluation Model for

Free/Open Source Project Hosting Sites, Haggen Hau Heng So, RMIT Univeristy ]] to learn more about the FOSHosting. Becoming more well-inforemd on this topic will allow you to make better editing decisions. "Doubt" as you express above, especially when it can be easily and immediately muted, should at a minimum place the article as a Candidate for Deletion, subject to the 5 day review.

 * I am challenging the Speedy Delete Decision.

 * John Minnihan --Jbminn 15:23, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Touché. Okay, I changed my mind. You can recreate the article. If it does get tagged for speedy deletion again, you can remove the tag and make an AfD for the page, and that way we can get a community consensus on the issue. Good arguments; you won me over. =) Nish kid  64  16:55, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

 * I already restored the page for you. See Freepository. Now you can edit it and fix it up however you please. Nish kid  64  17:35, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

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Danny Sandoval

Danny E. Sandoval (born April 7, 1979) is a Venezuelan former infielder in Major League Baseball. Listed at 5' 11", 190 lb., he was a switch-hitter and threw right-handed.

Career
Sandoval spent seven seasons in the Minor Leagues with the Chicago White Sox and Colorado Rockies organizations before signing with the Philadelphia Phillies in November 2013. He started 2005 at Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre Red Barons and was promoted to replace Geoff Geary after the All-Star Game.

At time of the call, Sandoval ranked second in the International League with a .349 batting average, while hitting .423 (55-for-130) with 11 doubles, three home runs, 16 RBI and 23 runs in his last 31 games. Along with Bobby Abreu, Ugueth Urbina, Tomás Pérez, and Endy Chávez, Sandoval became the fifth Venezuelan player on the Phillies roster.

Sandoval appeared in three games with the Phillies and went 0-for-2 with a run scored. On July 23, he was optioned back to Scranton/Wilkes-Barre in order to bring up a right-handed reliever.

The fact that Sandoval was able play several infield positions was a definite plus. He then fought for a spot on the Phillies roster during the 2006 spring training, but was demoted after the team kept both Alex Gonzalez and Abraham Núñez.

In 2008, Sandoval played in the Cleveland Indians and Toronto Blue Jays minor league systems. He became a free agent at the end of the season, and then signed with the York Revolution of the Atlantic League. In June 2009, the Colorado Rockies purchased his contract from the York Revolution.

After that, Sandoval was acquired by the BBC Orioles Grosseto of the Italian Baseball League for the 2010 season.

In between, Sandoval played winter ball with the Águilas del Zulia, Pastora de Los Llanos and Tiburones de La Guaira clubs of the Venezuelan League in a span of 11 seasons from 1998–2008.

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Hello, Bark-Archive001, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thanks for your contributions; I hope you like it here and decide to stay. We're glad to have you in our community! Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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Stargate Atlantis Airdates
Hi. I would just like to tell you that it was decided that canadian airdates should be listed at Stargate Atlantis episodes, since the show aired there first. Regards, --Tone 21:03, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

A Bridge Too Far
Good day, I'm your mediator regarding A Bridge Too Far if you have no problems with me taking the case, please let me know so we can start. -- Drini 20:56, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Please take a look at Requests for mediation/A Bridge Too Far -- Drini 00:58, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

200 (Stargate SG-1)
While I appreciate your hard work in adding CN tags to this page, nearly everythi ng you cited as "needing citation" is common knowledge for sci-fi fans, especially when regarding internals of the show. Everything that is in this article is one or more of these things:

 * Speculation ("This might be a reference to...") which does not need citation.
 * Knowledge gained from SG documentaries ("...Dan Shea, who is in fact also the Stunt Coordinator...") which does not need citation.
 * Knowledge about other series ("...which is what occured when fans of Firefly...") which does not need citation.
 * Info from actors themselves, usually from documentaries and behind-the-scenes ("...Amanda Tapping, who said...") which does not need citation.

Please keep in mind that any information that is right at hand, like a documentary or simple common knowledge, is sourced material, as long as it is actually from a source, not made up. As long as someone can say "That came from that documentary" then it counts as being sourced. Thank you anyway, for showing that you DO have an interest in verifiability of articles, just be moe frugal with that tag. ~  Porphyric Hemophiliac   §  04:29, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

I've replied to some of User:PHDrillSergeant's comments on his talk page, which you may be interested in reading. If necessary, I'll go through the article and add citation needed tags where needed, but as an awful lot of them will be needed I'm a little reluctant to do so unless they are definitely needed. Mike Peel 20:49, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Howard Stern vs. Circumcision
You deleted, among other stuff, the mention of Howard Stern's anti-circumcision stance, which he repeatedly made clear on his shows. At numerous points he explicitely stated that in his opinion circumcision "should be outlawed", that "it's child abuse" and that he "would never do it to a son of mine" etc. You may want to hear it from himself. I do not think that this info is so absolutely trivial, taking into consideration the number of occasions he mentioned his strong opinion on the matter. 84.44.170.42 00:58, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Wikipedia discourages trivia items. It encourages incorporating items into the body of text. Feel free to register.  --Bark 14:23, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

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Netoholic's comments

 * Before I state anything else, I would like to thank Netoholic for taking his time to evaluate this problem and offer suggestions that might bring it to a pleasant and constructive closure. No one has sincerely negatively evaluated him in anyway. Sometimes differences of opinion can lead people to say things they don't mean. As adults, we have to rise above that and look at how the people we are interacting with behave most of the time, instead of focusing on the one incident where they made an error. So far I strongly disagree with Netoholic on many points and feel that many of his ideas about this discussion are not entirely sound or consistant with the context, though so far his suggestions have all been quite rational. Its just that, for the most part, they are suggestions which myself and others already thoroughly exhausted in this matter before he ever voiced any opinion in this discussion. ScifiterX 03:13, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

'''So, let me get this straight. Nightscream wants to add more information to our encyclopedia, and there are other editors that don't want that information. Since noone seems to be disputing the factual basis for the information, that doesn't seem to be a problem. Some have contested the NPOV status of the additions, but I don't really see a problem and even if I did that can be fixed with editing, not blanket removal.'''

'''I suggest the initiators of this RFC re-evaluate whether they have been accommodating during this. There are plenty of solutions than simple reversion. One could edit the Nightscream's section down a bit. One could even reduce it to a summary and split it off into its own article. I for one find information about the super powers far more interesting than boring storyline information.

'''So, ALL of you stop edit warring, and find some balanced way of presenting this information. -- Netoholic @ 14:15, 18 July 2005 (UTC)'''
 * I am compelled to respond to this. No. That is not it at all. No he is not trying to add good objective information to the encyclopedia. He is trying to add bad information (NPOV, biased, opinion, conjecture, etc). He is trying to add the most nebulous kind of fan cruft. And people have been disputing his facts. If you look on the discussion page you can see where I specifically took apart his edit and did exactly that. Believe what you will but you are wrong. We tried to find something valid in his edit and were not able to find anything. There was a very good reason that he was blocked. His accusation that it was unfair and that he had no idea the discussion was even taking place or where it was taking place shows you just how honest and reasonable Nightscream is. Look a little closer at the dialogue. ScifiterX 22:16, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I also do not appreciate your contention that a group of people advocating thier side of an argument in a discussion is the same as edit warring. We did not knowingly break the 3 revert rule. Nighscream did. We did not ignore the discussion that was going on or pretend we didn't know about it. Nightscream did. He is the one who has been breaking the rules and sticking his nose up at both the democratic process inherent in this site and those who abide by it such as yourself. ScifiterX 22:24, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments. Unfortunately, had you read Talk:Wolverine (comics), or even this page, you would have realised that the other editors on the page have edited Nightscream's section down a bit, accomodating every piece of notable information. We already have a balanced way of presenting the information. I suggest Netaholic familiarise himself more intimately with the matter at hand. The matter at hand is how to get to Nightscream to reach a consensual position rather than blanketly refusing to discuss the issue and simply inserting his own version onto the page. Hiding talk 17:07, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

 * I'll try not to be insulting by the insinuation that I haven't read the relavent pages or that I need to familiarise myself more with the dispute. I would not have commented had I not looked at it closely.
 * Nightscream has not been welcomed to the article. His lengthy information has in some ways been incorporated, but the fact that practically every edit of his from the start was reverted out-of-hand, is frankly insulting.  Rather than being a collaborative environment, it is one of exclusion.  You (collectively) revert out his changes, and then place back what you see fit?  How can he possibly feel he is part of the collaboration?
 * Next time you get into this situation, leave the added material in. If reducing it makes sense, do so in small increments and use lots of Talk page communication. Show that you appreciate his additions and welcome more.  -- Netoholic @ 17:30, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Nightscream wasn't welcomed? That doesn't even make sense. We tried to use the talk page with him he just ignored us for the most part or stuck his nose up. Again he was the one that wore out his welcome (which he was definately given) by breaking the 3 rule revert rule and generally being rude.
 * Leave the added material in? Regardless of its accuracy, quality, authenticity, or context? Well, whether or not that should be done kind of speaks for itself. If someone wants to contribute to an article they have to accept the fact that what they write may not be considered acceptable to the rest of the community. And if someone adds information that is clearly not acceptable there is nothing wrong with removing it. ScifiterX 01:51, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * The current version incorporated his material from it's start. I wrote it as a compromise with Nightscream and a couple of other users months back, and he was the only one not to accept the compromise.

 * And I dispute the accuracy on the basis that it is not possible to be as precise as he desires. It's like averaging a set of results with five significant figures and arriving at a result with ten figures. There may be "additional information" in claiming the additional figures, but it's meaningless. - SoM 17:34, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

 * You did as good a job at not being insulted as I did by the line One could edit the Nightscream's section down a bit. when that is exactly what has been done. But this isn't about my wounded pride, nor yours.  As to your comment about it being one of expulsion rather than compromise, how can it be aything other than that, if Nightscream refuses to engage.  Are we simply supposed to allow Nightscream's edit to remain, sacrosant and untouched?  What precedent is that to set?  How far in line with Wikpedia policy is that?  As to how welcoming people have been, since this has been going on since before March, how welcoming are we supposed to remain? Hiding  talk 18:10, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

 * Completely reverting his changes, and then adding/changing only those things you wish to see is not a welcoming atmosphere. As I said, you should leave his entire, bloated entry, and then edit it down little by little, encouraging him to participate.  -- Netoholic @ 18:23, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. You could be right there. Thanks. Hiding  talk 08:46, July 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't agree that we should leave his entire bloated entry. You suggest editing it down little by little and hoping that will be all right with him. What did he do to deserve that kind of power? We have welcomed him into this and we have tried to use his contributions. I really looked for something we could keep from his version of the edit and I, and others, simply found that it was innapropriate. And in some places, such as other areas on the Wolverine (comics) entry his contributions were clearly used. ScifiterX 01:58, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I also note that the only "external" response to the article RFC so far @ Talk:Wolverine_%28comics%29, who reminded me of a point I mentioned on the Talk page itself and should have included as part of my last point here, which is that this is not exclusively about the Marvel Universe Wolverine, but also needs to be valid for four other continuities. - SoM 18:16, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

I pared down my edit to get rid of words like "opinion" that ScifiterX didnt' like, and reduced the detail overall, leaving only the elaboration on the strength of his healing factor, and the times it's been challenged (which are signfiicant points, given that it's his main signature power), details on his senses, his bones, etc. ScifiterX complained his bones were "laced", not "coated" with adamantium, and I changed it yet again. His comments about the hair and the particle beam are based on his taste, and saw no reason to delete them. SoM's terse "Just no" when reverting it back certainly evokes an atmosphere of exclusion, as these few seem to want to decide the content based on their sense of taste. I don't like the costume section, since it's not a signature trait, but rather than delete it, I just accept it as someone's addition. Why can't you do the same? The idea that I do not engage in discussion is clearly false, as our Talk pages show that whenI try do engage, ScifiterX and others respond with insults, false accusations and lies, calling me "pretentious," accusing me of being willfully antagonistic (without explaining how he knows my intent), calling my work "vandalism" (when it's really a content dispute, and any look through my contributions shows that I don't vandalize), claiming he doesn't insult me, but accuses me of doing so to him (offering as the only example a post in which I pointed out the fallacies he was employing--as if that's an insult), and refusing to respond directly when I refute his arguments. He talks about rolling on the floor with laughter because I use words that he needs a dictionary to understand. Is this the level of "engagement" being prescribed here? It's claimed that the three or so reverters constitute a "consensus," and ScifiterX acts as if the fact that I do not have others "backing me up" is some type of valid point, but when someone--Netoholic--chooses to agree even partially with me, he is derided by Hiding as a "pillock" (though Hiding thankfully apologized for that.) My latest edit is fine the way it is, and adds a nice amount of detail on his powers that some readers might want or need in their research. Nightscream 7.20.05. 4:29am EST
 * I apologise once again for using the term Pillock, and would like to withdraw my signature on this RFC and back Netaholic's view if such a thing is allowed. Hiding talk 08:46, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

 * Okay, first off Nightscream is implicitly insulting and condescending and the fact that Hiding, at some point, accidentally slipped and called him a naughty name only makes Hiding human. Nightscream deliberately tries to antagonize people into saying something nasty in order to use it against them. He tried it with me. Not only is he rude but he straight out puts words in your mouth and accuses you of doing and saying things you haven't. Its really frustrating dealing with him. And he is not averse to calling people idiots either, he just makes sure to do it without signing in.ScifiterX 02:13, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

"He talks about rolling on the floor with laughter because I use words that he needs a dictionary to understand." Here is an example of Nightscream's typical juvenile antics. That was not my statement to begin with. What I said was that when I read his statement "Rhetoric and argument by fiat is veridically invalid" to my friends, they thought it was funny and laughed, not because they didn't know what he meant, but because of how silly it sounded. He was throwing as many 10 dollar words into a simple sentence to describe something as mundane as his difference of opinion with me over a superhero. In other words, desperately trying to seem intelligent. And no I was not laughing at him or being cruel. My friends weren't even familiar with the argument. But here he takes the time to attempt to insult me by taking something I have said out of context and distorting it. The first time he slips and does it with you, Netoholic, you'll understand. I have no idea why anyone would be taking his side.ScifiterX 02:13, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Okay, Netaholic, I see now. It wasn't Nightscream someone called a pillock. Okay, I believe I can speak for all parties involved in this when I say that no one has evaluated your intelligence negatively. Someone just got frustrated and said the wrong thing at the wrong time. As far as I can discern, everyone involved in this is grateful to you for your time and attention on this matter even if we may strongly disagree with you. I have seen many of your contributions and can honestly say that you are a very intelligent, logical, and articulate person. I would probably be aggravated and biased against a certain camp in here if someone brought such a statement to my attention, and I were in your position. None-the-less, please try not to let that color your judgement.ScifiterX 03:01, 21 July 2005 (UTC)


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Isaac Snowman

Isaac Snowman (1873 – 11 February 1947) was an Anglo-Jewish artist who made Jewish cultural themes his subject.

Early life
He was educated at the City of London School. In 1890 he entered the Royal Academy School, where he gained a free medal, and afterward a scholarship in the Institution of British Artists. He showed his interest in Jewish matters by his drawings A Difficult Passage in the Talmud and The Blessing of Sabbath Lights, as well as by his Early Morning Prayer in the Synagogue.

His older brother Jacob Snowman was a London medical doctor and prominent mohel, who circumcised Charles, Prince of Wales and possibly other members of the British Royal Family. His younger brother was Emanuel Snowman, the jeweller, politician and community leader.

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In the year 1897, he formed a group of English Jews known as the Maccabaeans, including Israel Zangwill and Herbert Bentwich, which undertook a pilgrimage to Palestine in the same year.

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Isaac, in the meantime, continued to build his career. He was commissioned to paint portraits of King George V and Queen Mary, and it was said he was one of the Queen's favourite artists. 21] Serious artworks enabled him to commission the first house on the now know Hocroft Estate to be built in Ranulf Road off Finchley Road. The house, now number 3, included dedicated artists work space: completed in about 1911, was for many years simply known as ‘The Studio’. Isaac sent five works to the R.A. from this 3 Ranulf Road. This area would have been well known to him, as it was just a few minutes walk from his old home in Fortune Green Road.

Isaac Snowman moved to Jerusalem, where he had a studio over the Damascus Gate. In the riots that occurred in Jerusalem on 2 November 1921, Snowman encountered a mob and, while trying to make his way through with two friends, was stabbed.

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The result of the debate was no consensus, leaning towards transwiki. humblefool®Deletion Reform 03:09, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Release Management
Not encyclopedic 66.216.68.28 17:11, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep While this is a dreadful article, the topic is encyclopedic. Keep and rewrite (and rename to correct capitalisation). By the way, anon's shouldn't be making VFD nominations, I believe, but let's leave this here. DJ Clayworth 17:18, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
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 * I stand corrected. DJ Clayworth 17:41, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Transwiki Though only after complete rewrite. --Several Times 13:18, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Cleanup. I agree with DJ Clayworth that this is a dreadful article, but worth trying to cleanup. Daedalus-Prime 18:24, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * After the cleanup that has been done so far (thanks Jbminn), I'll agree with Harmil and change my vote to Transwiki to wikibooks. Daedalus-Prime 20:28, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Transwiki I'm contacting the author of the original article now and asking him if he intended to release it under the GFDL, and if the submitter was really him. If I get a good answer there, I'll clean up the article, otherwise it needs to be speedied. -Harmil
 * Having contacted the author, I am satisfied that this is not a copyvio. However, in reading it more fully in preperation for an NPOVification and cleanup, I realize that this is actually a manual / HOWTO, not an encyclopedic entry. Thus, it makes more sense to simply transwiki this to wikibooks as it's a published article that has some relevance to the evolution of free software development. -Harmil 22:30, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete unless rewritten into proper article. To keep such drivel makes no sense. Pavel Vozenilek 23:23, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Revision control. Pburka 00:48, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Note: This redirect would not be approrpriate given the incorrect caps. -Harmil 12:03, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep having worked in SE and SQA I am convinced an entry is useful. Merely redirecting to Revision control understates the importance of release management. Looking through job ads you will also see this is a specific role for which people are employed. 85.164.76.75 22:05, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

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