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User talk:Megistias

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Maps
OK Megistias, I really don't understand why do you keep on pushing some ideas in your Illyrian related maps? We had discussion about it a long time ago and I can see some other people have criticized your work too in the meantime. Do you know that your map File:Illyrians.jpg is taken for a joke in some specialized history forums where many experts write.

Why do you mark Liburni as Venetic people? There is no any evidence of that kind. There is only possibility that in the very northern Liburnia there was presence of Histri, who were close to Veneti (Veneti-like names). Why do you mark Iapodes as the Celts? Why do you spread wrong info about "Celticized Dalmatae"? Can you understand difference between: being a Celt/being Celtized/having material exchange with the Celts??? Are you aware that for this "Celtization" you use almost 90 years old theories about "Illyarian Hallstat", abandoned 60, 70 years ago?

Now I'm watching this map File:IllyrianWars.jpg. What is that? I'm shocked. What is that territory bordered by brown line (Demetrius of Pharos)? What is yellow territory (Teuta)? Zenanarh (talk) 12:29, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you have some difficulty reading this for example?

 * Wilkes, J. J. The Illyrians, 1992,ISBN 0631198075,page 183,"We may begin with the Venetic peoples, Veneti, Carni, Histri and Liburni, whose language set them apart from the rest of the Illyrians"Megistias (talk) 19:09, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I am shocked as well by your odd claiming talk that the Iranian Medes had something to do with the Thracian Maedi.And on a 3 years old discussion at that.Megistias (talk) 19:26, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I ve made the maps simpler and more neutral regarding celt issues but i will work on them further when i can.Megistias (talk) 08:52, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

I'll start discussion in Liburnian language, about this, Wilkes is certainly not top authority on the matter and using only his specualation (citation from his book often used by you is not a fact) produces imbalance in related articles. My idea is not edit warring or pushing one idea against the others. We should cooperate on this. Zenanarh (talk) 10:17, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * About the Medes, well, actually there is possible connection. There's a large chance that the Medes contributted to ethnogenesis of the Illyrians, Thracians, Greeks in one episode of Indo-Europeanization in the Balkans. Zenanarh (talk) 11:00, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

User talk:Daesitiates
I am not sure you're helping matters at User talk:Daesitiates. The user is clearly upset about some activities by other users; you are possibly among them. Let's focus on the content rather than what someone's agenda may be. I think the content issue needs to be resolved on the page where the disagreement exists. Frank |  talk  15:18, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * ok, but he has never used the talk page and his edits are seen as inappropriate by other users as well. Megistias (talk) 15:27, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not making any judgment on his edits or whether or not others find them inappropriate. I told him that admin intervention is not appropriate and he needs to learn to find WP:CONSENSUS on the talk page of the article in question. That's a first step. If that is tried and it fails, there are other steps to follow in dispute resolution. Frank  |  talk  15:37, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Megistias,

I am kindly inviting you to cooperate so we can find some compromise on the text entitled " Ardian", for none of my 16 friends could see what was wrong with my contributions ( enclosed below) to "Ardian" and why you removed them.

I am inviting you ti once again read my additions that you have been continuously deleting and realise that they have no political connotations nor do they offend, assault or undermine anyone in any way. I am too old for this son. I guess you could show some respect to people who are  much older than you and people who have been dealing with these issues academically, doing their best to keep it at  the academic level, with as little as possible political interferences.

There are many people clled "Ardian" and when they want to show their parents, their children or their grandchildren the meaning of their name, the last thing they want to read is som epolitical background to that name, like" Thisi i sone of those imaginary Illyrian names imposed to Albanians by communist regime in Albanian". Communism vanished from Albania decades ago my son, and most Albanians (me being one) themselves prefer Ilylrian and Albanian national names. Nobody imposes that on us. I guess Albanians DO have a say about their own culture, right?

Why isn't there any Englishmen out there deleting  contributions to some Celtic name? I'll tel you son, because he is civlized enough to understand that nationalism is a disease that needs to be cured.

So for the sake of those civilized values, as a person much older than you, I kindly ask you to read again my contributions that you ar so much upset about (for reasons known only to you) and reaize that my contributions are in no way offending or undermining anyone, nor, most importantly, are they lacking reference.

Here are the contributions you deleted. Please, read them and tell me whcih parts you don't liek and why so we can find som ecompromise.

Again, please bear in mind that the text "Ardian", the way you left it on Wikipedia, DOES look indirectly discriminatory to Albanians, for two reasons:

1. It uses the undermining languge " the imaginary Illyrian names", and 2. It only emphasizes negative aspects of the history of that name ( "Illyrian names being imposed by communists", which dopes not affect the fact that Albnainas themselves prefer Ilylrian and Albanian national names. After all, they do not need to ask for someone's permission in order to do that, right?).

"Original Illyrian names found in the literature, as well as names made up of Illyrian words and etymologies in general, are still among the most preferred personal names among modern Albanians today, along with names deriving from Albanian language, the Albanian national names like Bardh/Bardha, ('white', 'pure', 'fair'), Hyll ('star'), Bora ('snow'), Dita ('daylight'), Drita ('light', 'illumination'), Gonxhe ('rosebud'; first name of Mother Teresa), Lule ('flower'), Pellumb ('dove'), etc. Indeed, there are some obvious similarities between the supposed Illyrian words (names of persons, places and things) and Albanian ones, such as the name of Illyrian king Bardylis and Albanian word for white, 'bardh', the name of Illyrian king Hyllus and Albanian "(h)yll", for 'star', Illyrian deity Bindo and Albanian 'bind' ('convince', 'make believe')[3], and dozens more. It also seems linguistically plausible to connect the name of Ardiaei with Latin "Ardea", meaning "Heron"[5]A small town located in the area adjacent to Neretva river (which was precisely the original homeland of ancient Illyrian community of Ardiaei)[6] is called Čapljina, deriving from "Čaplja", which in former Serbo-Croatian language (nowadays divided into Bosnian/Croatian/Montenegrin and Serbian) means precisely "Heron". This theory opens up many possibilities for the interpretation of the origin of this name, such as heron being present in significant numbers in that area since prehistory, and thus influencing the etymology, for example.However, this theory is challanged by the fact that the Ardiaei (although in a different form, Ardiaioi) were mentioned long before Romans conquered Illyrian lands, like, for example by Theopompus in the fourth century B.C., or in reference to their warfare agianst Phillip of Macedon, father of Alexander the Great. Vardiaei, one other variant of Ardiaei bears similarity with Greek word word ‘vardia’, meaning ‘watch/duty/shift’ (‘guard’ implicit), and if we allow for a possibility of Ardiaioi being some corrupt version (misspelling) of 'Vardaei', this may seem as a plausible explanation. [7] However, further research is undoubtedly necessary in order to reach any tangible conclusion.

There are some claims too, that in one of the ancient sources Ardiaioi was actually a mistaken emendation of Autariatae[8]. This is however most likely to mean that the author had mistaken Autariatae for Ardiaioi, rather than implying that they are one and the same people, for the fact that Ardiaioi were mentioned repeatedly and separately from Autariatae in several different ancient sources, as mentioned above. Whatever the case, the fact is that Ardiaioi (the Greek version of Ardiaiei or Vardaei) were mentioned before Romans came to exert any influence, including the lingusitic one among Illyrians. This so far rules out the Latin etymology of Ardiaiei, based on Latin 'ardea', for 'heron'."

All of them were well referenced, as you know.

I frankly hope we will manage to find a compromising solution, although, as I said, NONE OF US HERE  see what was wrong with  the above addition that I made. (Daesitiates (talk) 15:53, 5 February 2010 (UTC))

 * How about creating a version of the article at User:Daesitiates/Ardian, complete with references, so it can be discussed there? (Or a suitably named page; I'm not certain which article you are trying to make these edits to.) And remember, this isn't about you and your friends; it's about reliable sources Frank  |  talk  16:03, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough Frank, I will proceed with that instantly, although I might have to ask for your patientce if I am stuck somewhere in the process for, like I said, I am sure I am much older than many of you guys here and I may not be as skillfull with Wikipedia. Ok. I will propose my version on that page. (Daesitiates (talk) 16:23, 5 February 2010 (UTC)). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daesitiates (talk • contribs) 16:20, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * You have never used the talk page for years.And your edits were unconstructive. You removed references among other things.Megistias (talk) 16:43, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

megistias. I may have never used talk page, but like I said, I am decades older than most of you. Trust me, you can al lbe my children.in other words, i am not as skillful as you kids in wikipedia  and computer skills in general.

"your edits were unconstructive". Excuse me young man, but isn't this statemen slightly overambitious? I would be truly grateful if aou enlgihtened me on how my edits were unconstructive. After all, how constructive is it to change the text on a national name making it look like a mere political criticism?

is there any positive word you said about that name in that particular text or anythin positive you said about Albanian culture. Out of so many references to Albanian names (and culture in generaly) you only imposed the negative one, the one obviously undermining  Albanian culture by calling its names repertoire some communist construct imposed on people. Now, how constructive ( let alone unbiased) is that?

Image me going to some Greek name page and doing what you did on "Ardian"? Now, how fair would you consider that to be? I am sorry to say this, but you more than obviously have some serious unresolved issue in your attitude towards Albanian culture.

Finaly, I would be grateful if you remind me when and how I remeove references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daesitiates (talk • contribs) 17:14, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Please, sign your comments and take some time to read wikipedia rules.Megistias (talk) 17:16, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

This discussion is pointless. Let's focus on content moving forward. No need to look at the past; let's just get it right in the present. Frank |  talk  17:21, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

You're right Frank. I 'm sorry. I just flet I needed to tell the truth, but yes, let's move ahead now and see what we can do. I proposed my version on User:Daesitiates/Ardian as you advised. I had a little problem though for I couldn't use the references in a normal way so I copied them at the bottom. i hope that's not the problem. I think what matters is the content. (Daesitiates (talk) 17:28, 5 February 2010 (UTC)).

 * Further comment belongs at User talk:Daesitiates/Ardian. And remember: Wikipedia is about verifiability, not truth. Frank  |  talk  17:37, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Discussion
Your comments here are not helpful, and I've removed them. The purpose of that page is not to discuss the main article and whether or not the content is appropriate for the main article. The first things to be worked on are formatting, references, citation, removing original research, and all the basics. If we can't get past all of that, nothing can go into the main article space.

If you read what I've written thus far, I've been saying let's work in a safe, sandbox-type area and get the content up to Wikipedia standards first. After we get there, then we can talk about achieving some kind of consensus to put it in the article. If you (or anyone) start attacking the talk page of a sandbox work with reasons why the material can't get into a main space article, conflict will surely arise. Let's focus on proper writing, sourcing, and other policies first. Better yet - let me work on that with him. Thanks! Frank |  talk  19:52, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * i wont do anything to the sandbox but i redirected ardian to adrian name page that includes all such names.Clear and cut.Thats where the name derives from. Megistias (talk) 20:05, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * And I have undone that redirect from Ardian. The article contains content specific to the name Ardian. There may be sourcing issues with the article itself, but that's not a reason to redirect it elsewhere. Frank  |  talk  20:19, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

I hope I am following it up properly. I just want to say that I finally managed to resolve my referencing problem and I hope  my proposed text at my user page:Daesitiates/Ardiaei is now ready for negotiations.

If I may just kindly ask, are the three of us supposed to negotiate the issue on this page (this one here belonging to megistias), my talk page (Daesitiates) or somewhere else? Please forgive my ignorance. I am ensuring you I am doing my best  to learn on the go. Thanx for the patience.

--Daesitiates (talk) 20:45, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Other than Frank gracioucly having the good will to guide you through article editing, and you following... i have to repeat that many of the things you suggest in the sandbox have been proposed by albanian editors over the years on many articles, and they did not go in.They are not encyclopedic, to put it politely.Megistias (talk) 20:49, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Daesitiates - please stick to the sandbox we are working in. That content is nowhere near ready to be reviewed by anyone for inclusion anywhere else. Frank  |  talk  21:16, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Megistias - perhaps you can take a look at User talk:Daesitiates/Ardian to READ only, please without commenting. I think you'll find we're peeling back the layers a bit and we will eventually be able to get to the content. I don't want to predict how things will turn out, but I hope you will watch as things progress.

 * If I may say, your approach doesn't look to be so inspiring either; if you're going to call into question another editor's actions, especially when it's clear you already don't agree...it's usually not going to wind up in a good result. To be specific, it really doesn't help when you tell someone that "many of the things you suggest...have been proposed...and did not go in." This is going to inspire someone to argue, not to work with you to achieve consensus. And I would point out that if there is to be any peaceful editing and avoidance of edit warring, page protection, topic bans, and maybe even blocks, both sides are going to have to learn to find something to agree on. Consensus isn't about getting someone else blocked or banned. It's about finding something acceptable enough to both sides that they'll both leave it in even if neither thinks it is the 100% "right" way to word it. We certainly still need verifiable citations from reliable sources. That's not in question. But there comes a point where we have to understand that the best result possible may be based on consensus rather than full agreement from every party.

 * Hopefully we can start achieving good results all around. Frank  |  talk  03:41, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I am not going to comment on the sandbox, but i have yet to find a single reference on which to base a reason to consider Ardian anything else other than a variant of Adrian.Megistias (talk) 11:28, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

 * That is not the purpose of that sandbox exercise. The purpose is to understand how to edit, how to find sources, how to write an article, and how to discuss issues. Whether or not Ardian is anything more or less than a variant of Adrian is really quite beside the point. Eventually we will get to that. Frank  |  talk  11:41, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Beograd Atlas of 1970
Since you have been involved in Ilyrian related topics I have recently found these pictures, you might be interested to check: .Alexikoua (talk) 20:57, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow, suddenly albanians appeared 500+ years before they actually did, Byzantine Greeks are gone and non-Greek populations somehow have "absolute homogeny", and have have over all the region.Megistias (talk) 22:38, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Albanian name

 * Your edits in Albanian (name) are ridiculuous, Arba and Olbonenses have nothing to do with Albanian name. Position of Olbonenses is unkown, some scientists think that Olbonenses were Aluatae - citizens of Alvona, so Olbona would be error in writing or distorted toponym. And both Alvona and Arba were in the north of Liburnia, where Histri, Iapodes and Liburnians were mixing - a region historically and geographically not linked to Albania and Albanians. It is like to say that name of Bangkok came from "bannana". Or from sound produced by John Wayne's gun: "bang". ;P Zenanarh (talk) 13:43, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I know they dont, since you are certain please remove it. Megistias (talk) 13:46, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Olbonenses are not even mentiond in that article. What are you talking about?Megistias (talk) 13:53, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

ha? you're right, sorry. Zenanarh (talk) 14:06, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Maps... I will, I've already signed myself in Commons, one of these days I'll remove them there and upload a few new ones. At the moment I'm working some other maps too, Dalmatae, Dalmatae Tariotes, Iapodes, Roman Dalmatia, Iron Age burial tradition in the Western Balkans,... Zenanarh (talk) 14:25, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Reverted you in Shkoder
Please see this revert I made to your contribution to Shkoder. Hope that's ok. user:sulmues--Sulmues 18:38, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The very next sentence says the same thing, only better.Megistias (talk) 19:43, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Hyllus
Maybe you can help. Except Hyllus in Greek mythology and Hyllus (river), there was also Hyllus Peninsula at the eastern Adriatic coast. See Tariotes. This toponym was recorded in the ancient Greek sources. Can you find some data, like citations,... Zenanarh (talk) 09:11, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Megistias (talk) 11:37, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, i found Pliny,Naturalis Historia, Liburniae finis et initium Delmatiae Scardona in amne eo XII passuum a mari. dein Tariotarum antiqua regio et castellum Tariona, promunturium Dio-medis vel, ut alii, paeninsula Hyllis circuitu C, Tragurium civium Romanorum, marmore notum, Siculi, in quem locum Divus Claudius veteranos misit, Salona colonia ab Iader CXII. petunt in eam iura viribus discriptis in de...
 * Nothing yet on ancient greek texts.Will keep on looking.Could it be that an greek mentions this in a latin language text?

I doubt, I have some sources which mention ancient Greek sources exclusively, in my understanding those from Hellenistic era. Pliny the Elder and other Latin writers knew about this name. However, it seems that in the Greek scholarship there were some unsuccesful attempts to attach this toponym to Pelloponesus or some other peninsula in Greece. I'm thinking about new article: Hyllus Peninsula, so any data would be nice. BTW this is probably from where originally Hylleis arrived to Greece during the Dorian invasion. Zenanarh (talk) 12:17, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Which Hellenistic writers? Maybe they write the name in a slightly different manner, a variance, thats why its no popping up so prominentely.But then there are some writers from that era that are obscure and hard to find. Got any names?Megistias (talk) 12:39, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

What I have is this:, text is in both Croatian and English, check ref note no. 2. Zenanarh (talk) 12:47, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Stephanus of Byzantium 6th century AD, writes of the myth but adds in the bottom, though part of the text is not saved, "Υπερ δε τους Υλλους Λιβυρνοι και τινες Ιστροι λεγομενοι Θρακες. Και το θυληκον Υλλις προκειτα χερρονησος ηλικη. Μαλιστα Πελοποννησος, ως φασι …."

 * Something like they are above the Liburni, and then of Istri that are called Thracians. And then Yllis chersonese, like a female. In the end he says that it looks like Pelloponesus but then the text is gone no more elaborating. Then he goes on on blah blah.Megistias (talk) 12:54, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok from your link, it says "through the middle of the peninsula which Roman sources called Hyllus" so we know that Latin texts will most likely be using this term for it.And the reference inside it goes "According to an ancient Greek legend or, more precisely, propaganda, the Hyllus Peninsula was slightly smaller than the Peloponnese and there were 15 cities on it inhabited by barbarized Greek Hyllini, the descendents of Herakles’ son Hyllus (Suić 1955: 132-133; Katičić 1995: 91-98, 387-398; Mastrocinque 1996: 359-361; Čače 1995-96: 21-45)."

 * This is most likely from Stephanus of Byzantium. The Herakles myth and some non-mythic data that a place with a similar sounding name existed.Megistias (talk) 13:01, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, the data from your link is Pliny + Stephanus as after the missing text he writes what the pdf-reference writes.Megistias (talk) 13:06, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, the only parallel data from Stephanus seems to come from De prosodia catholica, by Pseudo-Aelius Herodianus 180-250,. It seems as if Stephanus had copied the exact data that Pseudo-Aelius Herodianus provided.

 * But i want to verify this more to be certain.Megistias (talk) 13:14, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Its the same, Stephanus copied from Herodianus.See also From political architecture to Stephanus ByzantiusMegistias (talk) 13:19, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Tnx :) Zenanarh (talk) 13:22, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Liburnians
Megistias what are you doing? After you have completely destroyed almost every Illyrian related article, now you keep on doing your special mission here too? You stupid arrogant little shit!!! Please report me!!!!! Zenanarh (talk) 07:19, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * There is no need to report this editor, they have now reported themselves and I have blocked them for a week for disruption. I have no idea what this conflict is all about, but please don't rise to the bait. Thanks. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 10:47, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

I will check them the following days. Nice job by the wayAlexikoua (talk) 08:38, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Names on 1854 map
No problem: The wanting names on that map are Zidon, Zoar, Arpad, Aram, Arphachsad, Mash, Carchemish, Calneh in the first area. There's one name in Canaan I can't make out, possibly Cheth. The word (Armenians) in parentheses is under Togharma. (Medians) should also be in parentheses. In the Sinai, you've got Ludim, Amalek, Edom, Midian and Sinim. Note that most of these are now thought to have been located outside of the Sinai peninsula. Cheers, Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 18:14, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, there's another area near the Caspian with the names: Kaspian, Kur R., Araxes R. Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 18:23, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Great job on the map! I do like the green version, though. Cheers, Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 16:54, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Origin of Albanians
I have continued this debates you began on the Origin of ROmanians talk page with Pannonia. Please feel free to comment Hxseek (talk) 22:46, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Yep. Its a shame the way Pannonian is carrying on. He accuses me being biased by my personal beliefs on Kosovo, which is rediculous. I think he has taken a personal offence because I agreed with you that his maps are anachronistic, and that his source Atlas of World History is hardly awe-inspiring. I am currently reading Epirus Vetus. Archaeology of a Late Antique Province by Bowden. I think its a very good piece of work Hxseek (talk) 04:52, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

The purpose of WP:AN/I
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 * Thats alot of stuff :)Megistias (talk) 00:46, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yup! But super handy. It's always good to know where you can go to get the quickest, most effective resolution. Cheers! Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 02:29, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Pashalik of Yanina
Please do not continue reverting back and forth; rather, discuss this civilly on the talk page of that article. Thank you. f o x  (formerly garden) 12:00, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

 * I have, Talk:Pashalik_of_Yanina, Megistias (talk) 12:11, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

You have a response in my talk page.
Regards. --sulmues (talk) 20:07, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Your request at RPP
Hi there! Just to let yuo know, I've declined your protection request for now, you can find my reasons at WP:RPP.

Just to let you know, for future reference, that you should put new requests at the top of the list, as that's where admins will look for it. When the list is short like it is today, it doesn't make much difference, but it can sometimes get to 20 or more requests waiting action, and ones at the bottom may well get missed. Cheers! Ged UK  12:31, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

 * ThankouMegistias (talk) 13:46, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Albania TF
Could you please respond here? --sulmues (talk) 23:43, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

 * No, after this insult of yours diff, of course not :) Megistias (talk) 23:52, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

 * It's not about me! You deserve to stand there, because you have written all the Albanian related articles. --sulmues (talk) 01:33, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

 * And please display this as you are a Grand Tutnum now. You deserve it! --sulmues (talk)  06:00, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

March 2010
You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours for edit warring on Vjosë,, , , . Please stop. You are welcome to make useful contributions after the block expires. If you believe this block is unjustified you may contest this block by adding the text below, but you should read our guide to appealing blocks first. Tiptoety talk 10:55, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Himara and Vasil Bollano
I am going to ask for a neutral person to settle this. You must work for the Greek government to have all the time in the world to revert to nonsense. '''I posted their names from the 16th century and you remove them? Why?''' How are they not relevant? Keep it Fake (talk) 17:34, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

 * Yes ask a neutral person, thats a good solution. Just dont remove sources. The rest of your accusation or claim against me is .....Megistias (talk) 17:36, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Vjosa common female name in Albanian: source is edit-warred
Hi there! You might want to be interested in seeing this, because you are involved. --sulmues (talk) 11:00, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Result of the 3RR case
Please see the result of WP:AN3, a 3RR case which you filed about the Dardani article. Both you and PANONIAN are edit warring. Try to get an outside view before you revert again. Sanctions are possible otherwise. EdJohnston (talk) 01:36, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Rv you
I reverted you on Zana e malit. You claim too much there without any sources. --sulmues (talk) 11:54, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Albanian nationalism
Did you revert me as IP on that article?-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 11:15, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

I am not a "sock" account and could you answer my question?-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 11:24, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Reverted you
I reverted your edits. You may be right about other names, but not Bardhyl, which has been around since Rilindja Kombetare time. --sulmues talk contributions 23:19, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Reported
You were reported here.-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 12:29, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

When I wrote my initial comments in the spi I didn't checked your userpage, in which you inform about the 'log out problems'. Personally, I've changed 4 routers recently.Alexikoua (talk) 20:20, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Dardani
Citing from the book you use as a reference : ''The dynasty which buried their kings and queens at Radoliste was certainly that of Encheleae, whom Hecateus mentioned at that time. It must have been on good terms with its richer neighbor, since Radoliste and Trebeniste are only some ten kilometres apart. A corrupt passage in Strabo which was probably derived from Hecateus, may help us; for it seems to record the combination of the "Peresadyes" and the Encheleae to create a powerful state. If so, the Peresadyes was the name of the dynasty at Trebeniste. The name suggest they were Thracians.......The areas to the north and to the west of the lakeland differed from it in an important respect, the practice of tumulus-burial...The largest concentrations of tumuli, often numbering several hundred, were in areas attributable to specific Illyrian tribes: in the Mati valley, home of some Taulantian tribes; in Zadrima plain, belonging probably to the Grabaei; in Scodra region, home of Labeatae, in the valley of Black Drin, where Chelidonii lived. The burials were those of warrior rulers and their women, and the weapons and the ornaments buried with them were related not only to each other but to those in the tumulus-burials of Metohija and Kosovo, home of the Dardani, and of central Yugoslavia, where a distinctive Illyrian culture has been call the Glasinac culture.''

So the reference is clear about
 * 1) There were two different dynasties at that time
 * 2) The dynasty in Radoliste was that of Encheleae
 * 3) Encheleae were the neighbours of Peresadyes
 * 4) The dynasty in Trebeniste was that of Peresadyes
 * 5) At some time they could (corrupt passage) have joined together
 * 6) Their burial practice were different of other Illyrians
 * 7) They are not related to Dardani whatsoever
 * 8) Dardani are related to other Illyrians

No complain about Peresadyes being a thracian tribe, but the reference is talking about precisely about Encheleans joining(?!) Peresadyes at some time. How it can be used as a reference for Dardanians?! Moreover if you go two pages before that you can see the map where were Dardanians at that time. Encheleans are surely different from Dardanians and the article itself does not link Peresadyes with Dardanians, so stop it. Misusing the sources is a very dangerous practice and unacceptable Aigest (talk) 10:34, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

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this edit is problematic and I reverted you. You can't make poor edits like that without discussing them first in the talk page. --SulmuesLet's talk 12:48, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
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A greek that pretends to know Albanias,Illyrians and their history????
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Andreas Metaxas

Andreas Metaxas (Ανδρέας Μεταξάς; c. 1790 – 19 September 1860) was a Greek politician, fighter of the Greek War of Independence and diplomat from Cephalonia. He was prime minister of Greece from 3 September 1843 to 16 February 1844. Some military leaders of the revolution (Makriyannis) gave him the ironic nickname of "Conte Lalas'" due to his injury during the Battle of Lalas.

Origins and personal life
Born in 1790 in Argostoli he belonged to the historical Metaxas family, which originated in Constantinople and moved to Kefalonia in the 15th century. He was the second son of Petros Metaxas and Violeta Loverdou and had three brothers, Anastasios, Paisios and Ioannis. Konstantinos Metaxas was his cousin. Although he did not receive any special education, other than Greek he was fluent in Italian and French and was a scholar of ancient Greek history. A few years before the Greek Revolution he married Marietta Vourvachi, sister of a Greek officer in the French army, Dionysios, with whom he had two sons (Spyros and Petros) and two daughters. In pre-revolutionary years, he worked as a solicitor.

Greek War of Independence

He was initiated into Filiki Eteria. When the revolution was declared, he rushed to Peloponnese and established, along with his brother Anastasios and his cousin Konstantinos, a military contingent of 350 men from Kefalonia equipped with two cannons, contribution of Evangelinos Panas. Among the leaders were Victor Gerasimos Fokas, Konstantinos Fokas Karandinos and others. Claiming that they were chasing pirates, they boarded a ship belonged to Anastasios and Fokas Theodoratou brothers, which was equipped with 18 cannons, 50 sailors and 50 gunmen. They disembarked in early May 1821 in Glarentza and marched to Manolada. There, they were joined by other military captains (Vilaetis, Sisinis and Plapoutas) and then marched to Lalas, which was the foothold of notorious Albanian fighters. During the battles that took place in the region and until 13 June, when all the people from Lalas had to resort to Patra, Metaxas was among the noteworthy. He even got wounded in both hands by bullets. Later, after Demetrios Ypsilantis' suggestion, he was sent, along with the rest of the army, to Patra. Soon, due to his injury, he was only active in the political part of the revolution.

On 25 May 1822, in a unanimous decision, the "Executive Body" passed an act by which Metaxas was naturalized as a Greek Peloponnese citizen for his service to his country. He was appointed Minister of Police in 1822, and Minister of War in April 1826. He took part in, and also organized the defense during, the Battle of the Lerna Mills.

He was a member of the National Assembly of Argos and member of the Provisional Government. Along with Georgios Mavromichalis and Germanos III of Old Patras, he was sent by the Government to Verona in search for financial resources but also to persuade the Great Powers to not act against Greece, in which he succeeded with the help of his friend Ioannis Kapodistrias.

Kapodistrian period
Andreas Metaxas was the prime mover behind Ioannis Kapodistrias' election. He was a devout supporter of Kapodistrias and remained his faithful ally to the end. In return Kapodistrias honored him by promoting him to high dignities. On his own initiative, he joined the Panellinion, was appointed head of the army and Emergency Commissioner of the Peloponnese. From this position Metaxas mainly helped organizing the tactical army. After the assassination of Kapodistrias in 1831, although pro-Russian, Metaxas opposed the election of Augustine Kapodistrias which he found disastrous. Nevertheless, he kept away from Ioannis Kolettis' disruptive tendencies. Despite that, he remained a member of the provisional government until the arrival of King Otto.

Period of King Otto
During the Regency he was appointed Prefect of Laconia, and later, in October 1835, member of the Council of State. Soon, however, he was exiled to Marseilles by the Regency for his liberal views. He was later called back and sent to Spain as ambassador of Greece. After his return to Greece in 1839, he was re-appointed to the State Council. He served as Minister for Military Affairs in the government of Alexandros Mavrokordatos during July and August 1841. He took over the leadership of the Russian Party after Theodoros Kolokotronis' death.

Following the 3 September 1843 Revolution, he received a mandate by Otto to form a government to prepare elections for a constitutional assembly. A few days later, under the threat that he would resign unless his proposal was accepted, he managed to convince the cabinet to broaden the government with the participation of Alexandros Mavrokordatos and Ioannis Kolettis, leaders of the English and French party respectively. Metaxas was the first government leader in the political history of Greece who was named "prime minister".

During his premiership, Metaxas managed to maintain order and conduct elections in order to form the First National Assembly. He was elected Honorary Vice-President in five regions and participated in its actions. In next year's elections for the First Period (1844–1845), he was elected Attica MP. He was appointed Minister of Finance in Kolettis' government, a position he held from August 1844 until August 1845, when he resigned after Kolettis' effort to overthrow the constitution. He served as a senator during the years 1846 and 1847 and from 1850 until 1859 as an Attica MP. In 1850, he was promoted to the rank of Lieutenant General and was decorated by King Otto with the Grand Cross of the Order of the Redeemer. On 15 September of the same year, he was sent to Istanbul as ambassador of Greece.

He resigned on 10 March 1854, after the start of the Crimean War, and returned to Athens where he retired from politics. It appears that he secretly supported the revolt movement of Thessaly and Epirus and changed the King's hasty decision to get involved, when he secretly rushed to the palace and convinced him not to go there, thus preventing any suffering for Greece. Shortly before his death, Otto assigned him to form a government but he refused.

Andreas Metaxas also served as president of the Society for the Promotion of Education and Learning and many charity foundations. Throughout his life he was brave, honest, patriotic and had a strong character.

He died in Athens in September 1860.

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Utica, Kentucky

Utica is a small rural unincorporated community and census-designated place in Daviess County, Kentucky, in the United States. The population was 208 as of the 2020 census.

Geography
The community is located in the south-central portion of Daviess County just north of the McLean County line. U.S. Route 431 (US 431) passes through the community, leading 12 mi north to Owensboro and 24 mi south to Central City.

Amenities
Utica has a post office (utilizing ZIP code 42376), a fire station, a cemetery, several churches, a gas station, and a couple of stores.

History
Utica was probably founded in the early 1800s and named after the City of Utica, New York. Mill Street, which is the first side road on KY 140, was named after the flour mill that was located behind JR's Market. The first property on Mill Street was a passenger train station in the late 1800s to early 1900s that ferried people to the river town of Owensboro across the border from Indiana. This cemetery consists of people from the local community as early as the early 1900s but most are from the 1930s and upward. It is still used to this day.

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Paul Brickhill

Paul Chester Jerome Brickhill (20 December 1916 – 23 April 1991) was an Australian fighter pilot, prisoner of war, and author who wrote The Great Escape, The Dam Busters, and Reach for the Sky.

Early life
Brickhill was born in Melbourne, Victoria to journalist George Russell Brickhill (1879–1965) and Izitella Victoria (née Bradshaw) Brickhill (1885–1966). He was the third son of the couple's five children, the others being Russell (1911–2002), Ayde Geoffrey (1914–), Lloyd (1918–2011), and Clive (1923–2009). When Brickhill was 11 the family moved to Sydney, where he was educated at North Sydney Boys High School. A classmate, and friend, was actor Peter Finch.

Brickhill left school in 1931 after his father had been made redundant as a result of the Depression. While his other brothers continued with their education it was necessary for Brickhill, who was regarded as the least academic child, to get a job to assist his older brother Russell in bringing money into the family. He was sacked from his first two jobs due to his stutter. He then got a job as office boy and then lift boy at the Adelaide Steamship Company. That job did not last long, as Peter Finch, who was by then working as a copy boy, was able to convince a news editor at The Sun to interview Brickhill in 1932. Brickhill was hired as a copy boy, and within a year was promoted to cadet journalist. Within a few years he had worked his way up to journalist, and by 1940 was a sub-editor.

World War II
Brickhill was unimpressed by war fever, until the shock of the invasion of France and subsequent withdrawal from Dunkirk, coupled with boredom with his deskbound sub-editor job, induced him to enlist on 6 January 1941 with the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF). His flight training commenced in March 1941 at the Number 8 Elementary Flying Training School at Narrandera, New South Wales as undertaken in Australia Under the Empire Air Training Scheme. Brickhill undertook advanced training as a fighter pilot in Canada and the United Kingdom before being assigned to No. 92 Squadron RAF, a unit equipped with Spitfires and part of the Desert Air Force in North Africa.

On 17 March 1943, he was shot down over Tunisia and became a prisoner of war. He was flown to Italy on 23 March, then sent by train to Germany. After being held at the Dulag Luft at Oberursel, a central receiving and interrogation station for captured enemy airmen for the Luftwaffe, he was sent to Stalag Luft III, in Lower Silesia, 150 km southeast of Berlin, arriving there on 4 April 1943. Brickhill became involved with organizing the camp's escape, initially as a lookout or "stooge", before volunteering to work as a digger on the "Tom" tunnel. He developed claustrophobia, so was put in charge of security for the forgers. Because of his claustrophobia and the risk that he would panic and block the escape of those behind him, he was not allowed to take part in the mass escape attempt, which is known as "The Great Escape".

Following the announcement of the murder of the escapees who had been recaptured following the Great Escape, Brickhill became determined to document the event. Discussing the subject with fellow prisoner Conrad Norton, they found that many of their fellow prisoners had other tales of daring escapes that would justify a book following the end of the war. As Brickhill had been involved in "The Great Escape", he concentrated on that story, while Norton collected individual tales. Since the prisoners were forbidden from writing anything other than letters and postcards, they collected every piece of paper they could find and, writing in as small a hand as possible, they collected stories and hid them from the guards.

Return to journalism
Following the end of the war, while the terms of his enlistment with the RAAF had been that he had to serve for 12 months following the cessation of hostilities, Brickhill was granted six months' leave without pay. During his leave he returned to journalism, working as a London-based correspondent for Associated Newspapers. Meanwhile, outside of working hours he had typed up his and Norton's stories and selected David Higham as their literary agent. With Higham's help the manuscript was accepted by Faber & Faber and published as Escape to Danger in 1946.

After working for Associated Newspapers for a period, Brickhill returned to Australia, taking a job as a sub-editor at The Sun newspaper in Sydney, Australia.

Brickhill and Norton had agreed that each would retain the copyright to the chapters that they had written for Escape to Danger. As a result, while awaiting for sufficient stocks of paper to be obtained to print the book, Brickhill was able to sell a condensed version of his chapter on the Great Escape to several newspapers in Australia.

The Great Escape and The Dam Busters
After the end of World War II, John Nerney, head of the Air Historical Branch of the British Air Ministry identified the need for a history of 617 Squadron. While trying to find a suitable author he discussed the issue with John Pudney, who was an editor at News Review. Pudney had liked Escape to Danger and suggested that Brickhill be considered.

Following up Pudney's recommendation, Nerney approached Brickhill in February 1949, who jumped at the offer. While doing all it could to assist his research the Air Ministry could only provide Brickhill with a small honorarium, and no guarantee of publication other than as a government produced publication. In an attempt to obtain an advance which would pay enough for him to leave his current job as a sub-editor at The Sun and relocate to England, Brickhill approached a number of Australian publishers to see if they were interested in an Australian edition of the book. None was interested, so Brickhill was forced to decline Nerney's offer. At the same time Brickhill had been approached by John Pudney, who had recently joined London based publisher Evans Brothers as an editor, with a proposal to write a book on the Stalag Luft III mass escape. This was eventually to be published as The Great Escape. With the advance that Evans Brothers offered Brickhill, he left his job and sailed to England in May 1949.

Once in England, Brickhill asked the RAF about the status of the proposed history of 617 Squadron, offering his services if they were still required. As the RAF had made no further progress in finding an alternative author, his offer was accepted. Brickhill approached Evans Brothers about an advance for the proposed book on 617 Squadron, but they were not interested in providing any advance until they saw a manuscript. Already working on The Great Escape, Brickhill also commenced simultaneous work on the 617 Squadron history.

The Great Escape was published in 1950 and brought the incident to wide public attention.

The history of 617 Squadron and in particular its involvement in Operation Chastise and the destruction of dams in the Ruhr valley was published in 1951 as The Dam Busters, which sold over one million copies over 50 years.

Following the success of The Dam Busters, Robert Clark the head of production at Associated British Picture Corporation approached Brickhill about acquiring the screen rights to the book. The company's production manager was of the opinion that there were too many people and raids involved, and that they would not be able to film the book in its entirety. As a result, he requested that Brickhill provide a condensed film treatment. Brickhill agreed to do it without payment, in the hope of selling the screen rights. To assist, Clark teamed him up with Walter Mycroft who was the company's Director of Production. Brickhill decided to concentrate the film treatment on Operation Chastise, and ignore the later raids.

Associated agreed with Brickhill on the film rights in December 1952 for what is believed to have been £5,000.

The subsequent film was released in 1954 as The Dam Busters.

Reach for the Sky
After reading The Dam Busters, Battle of Britain ace Douglas Bader approached Brickhill in 1951 about collaborating on his biography. Brickhill agreed to undertake the project.

Several publishers were approached about the proposed biography. Brickhill's agent found that William Collins and Sons offered the best terms, leading Brickhill to sign with them. However Brickhill felt guilty about not signing with John Pudney and Evans Brothers, who had previously been so supportive of him. He consequently offered to write an anthology of escape stories for them, eventually published as Escape – Or Die.

The biography of Bader was published in 1954 as Reach for the Sky. In the first few months alone, 172,000 copies were sold. The initial print run of 300,000 quickly sold out, and the biography became the best-selling hardback in post-war Britain.

The book was subsequently adapted for the screen and released in 1956 as a feature film. Starring Kenneth More as Bader, it topped the box office in Britain that year.

Later life
Brickhill spent the rest of his life working on unfinished film screenplays, novels and biographies, but was unable to repeat his successes of 1949 to 1954.

In 1969 he returned to live permanently in Australia. Brickhill died in Sydney, New South Wales on 23 April 1991 aged 74.

Personal life
After meeting on a ship from Australia to England in 1949, the 33-year-old Brickhill married 21-year-old Margot Slater, also an Australian, in St. Michael's Church, Chester Square, Pimlico on 22 April 1950. They divorced on 20 July 1964 after a tempestuous marriage. Margot later married Devon Minchin.

Paul and Margot Brickhill had two children: Timothy Paul (14 April 1954– ) and Tempe Melinda (August 1957–  ). After working as a fashion model Tempe became manager of Issey Miyake London, CEO of Issey Miyake Europe and a director of Fédération Française de la Couture.

Biographies about Brickhill
His life was the subject of a 2016 biography, The Hero Maker: A Biography of Paul Brickhill, by Stephen Dando-Collins and Flying into Danger: The Paul Brickhill Story by John Ramsland.

Film adaptations
Three books by Brickhill were made into feature films: The Dam Busters (1955), Reach for the Sky (1956), and The Great Escape (1963).

Deadline became an episode of the Bob Hope Presents the Chrysler Theatre anthology series titled War of Nerves that was first broadcast on 5 January 1964.

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John Bray

John Bray may refer to:

 * John Bray (physician) ( 1377), English botanist and physician
 * John Bray (composer) (1782–1822), composer of music for The Indian Princess''
 * John Bray (cricketer) (born 1938), New Zealand cricketer
 * John Cox Bray (1842–1894), Premier of South Australia
 * John Jefferson Bray (1912–1995), Chief Justice of South Australia, poet
 * John Randolph Bray (1879–1978), American producer, inventor, animator, director
 * John Bray (athlete) (1875–1945), American athlete and Olympic bronze medallist in 1900
 * John Bray (communications engineer) (1911–2004), British communications engineer
 * John Francis Bray (1809–1897), American social activist and political economist
 * John Bray (boxer) (born 1970), American amateur boxer-turned boxing trainer
 * John Bray (footballer) (1937–1992), English footballer who played in the 1960 FA Cup Final
 * John Bray (rugby league), New Zealand rugby league player
 * Jackie Bray (1909–1982), English footballer and manager

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Moyie Lake

Moyie Lake is a small, narrow kettle lake in southern British Columbia, located along the Moyie River. While building the Crowsnest Pass Railroad, this was the hardest part to build the tracks. The walls of the land around it are very steep and short. It is a lot like Swan Lake to the south in Montana. The lake is located between Cranbrook and Creston. The small town of Moyie is located at the south end of the lake.

Located 20 kilometres south of Cranbrook off Highway 3, Moyie Lake Provincial Park day-use area, boat launch, and 111 site campground provides the only public access to the deep blue mountain waters of Moyie Lake.

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Eidanger

Eidanger is a former municipality in Telemark county, Norway. The 136 km2 municipality existed from 1838 until its dissolution in 1964. The area is now part of Porsgrunn Municipality. The administrative centre was the village of Eidanger where Eidanger Church is located.

The municipality of Eidanger included a peninsula between the Eidangerfjorden and the Frierfjorden. Situated between the urban municipalities (towns) of Brevik and Porsgrunn. It also included the more rural areas to the north and east of the Eidangerfjorden. The municipality had excellent natural conditions for building harbours, it became the site of Norsk Hydro's plant at Herøya and the Dalen Portland (now part of the Norcem corporation) concrete factory just outside Brevik. More recently, a major industry in the area is Heistad Fabrikker, which makes products for diabetics. Isola maintains its head office and administration office in Eidanger. Isola has two factories in this area where bitumen-based products and steel roofing tiles are manufactured.

Eidanger Church (Eidanger kirke) is located in the village of Eidanger and was the main church for the municipality. The church was originally a relatively simple stone church in the Romanesque style, probably built ca. 1150. The church was extended in 1787 and received a new sacristy in 1981. The altarpiece, stained glass and the pulpit is from 1991 and made by Terje Grøstad. The baptismal font is of stone and is from the 1890s. The church has two bells, one from 1720 and one from 1940.

History
The parish of Eidanger was established as a municipality on 1 January 1838 (see formannskapsdistrikt law). On 1 July 1920, an area of northern Eidanger (population: 550) that was adjacent to the growing town of Porsgrunn was annexed and transferred into the town. During the 1960s, there were many municipal mergers across Norway due to the work of the Schei Committee. During the 1960s, there were many municipal mergers across Norway due to the work of the Schei Committee. On 1 January 1964, there was a major municipal merger where the following areas were merged to form a new Porsgrunn Municipality.
 * the town of Porsgrunn (population: 10,863)
 * the town of Brevik (population: 2,498)
 * all of Eidanger Municipality (population: 13,018)
 * the Bakke area (population: 75) of Hedrum Municipality in Vestfold county
 * the Enigheten, Høyberg, and Skavåsen areas (population: 12) of Brunlanes Municipality in Vestfold county

Name
The municipality (originally the parish) is named after the Eidangerfjorden (Eiðangr) since the historic Eidanger Church was built at the head of the fjord. The first element is which means "isthmus" or "neck of land". The last element is which means "fjord" or "bay".

Government
While it existed, this municipality was responsible for primary education (through 10th grade), outpatient health services, senior citizen services, unemployment, social services, zoning, economic development, and municipal roads. During its existence, this municipality was governed by a municipal council of directly elected representatives. The mayor was indirectly elected by a vote of the municipal council.

Municipal council
The municipal council (Herredsstyre) of Eidanger was made up of representatives that were elected to four year terms. The tables below show the historical composition of the council by political party.

Mayors
The mayors (ordfører) of Eidanger (incomplete list):

 * 1838-1839: Jacob Sørensen Hvalen
 * 1840-1843: Carl Nicolay Bugge
 * 1844-1845: Jacob Sørensen Hvalen
 * 1846-1849: Amund Tveten
 * 1850-1852: Jacob Sørensen Hvalen
 * 1853-1857: Amund Tveten
 * 1857-1857: Jacob Sørensen Hvalen
 * 1860-1865: Anders Olsen Langangen
 * 1865-1865: Nils V. Slevolden
 * 1865-1871: Ole P. Grava
 * 1871-1880: H.J. Hvalen
 * 1880-1882: Jacob Olsen Grava
 * 1882-1884: H.J. Hvalen
 * 1884-1886: Jacob Olsen Grava
 * 1886-1888: Peder Pedersen Røra
 * 1888-1889: Aasold K. Ørvig (V)
 * 1889-1895: J.S. Skrukkerød (H)
 * 1895-1901: Andreas Ramberg (V)
 * 1902-1904: K. Larsen-Røra
 * 1905-1910: Andreas Ramberg (V)
 * 1911-1916: Olav Versvik (V)
 * 1916-1919: Finn C. Knudsen
 * 1919-1922: Olav Versvik (V)
 * 1922-1922: Ole Petter Grava (Bp)
 * 1931-1935: Ole Petter Grava (Bp)
 * 1935-1937: Simon Sørli
 * 1937-1937: Gustav Hill

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Overkill (Motörhead song)

"Overkill" is a song by English rock band Motörhead. It was released in 7" and 12" vinyl pressings in 1979. It is backed with B-side "Too Late Too Late" which appears on the CD re-issues of the Overkill album. Early copies came with an "Overkill" badge. The single reached number 39 on the UK Singles Chart.

On 9 March 1979, the band played this song on the BBC TV show Top of the Pops to support the release of the single. The song was a live favourite and was frequently featured at Motörhead concerts, often in an extended version.

The artwork on the sleeve was created by Joe Petagno, based on his design for the album's cover.

The song is featured as a track in the video game SSX on Tour, and was re-recorded by Motörhead to be a playable track in the rhythm game Guitar Hero World Tour.

The track is notable for Phil "Philthy Animal" Taylor's use of two bass drums.

"Overkill" is widely considered one of Motörhead's best songs. In 2012, Loudwire ranked the song number three on their list of the top 10 Motörhead songs, and in 2021, Louder Sound ranked the song number one on their list of the top 50 Motörhead songs.

"Overkill" was used as the closing song for Motörhead's final tour, making it the last song the band ever played live.

On 13 April 2019, Motörhead re-released the original single edit of Overkill along with "Bomber" on picture disc as a celebration of the album's 40th anniversaries on Record Store Day. The single edit was made available digitally on 8 March 2019.

Personnel

 * Lemmy – bass, vocals
 * "Fast" Eddie Clarke – guitars
 * Phil "Philthy Animal" Taylor – drums

Covers
In 1995, during the recording of the album Load, "Overkill", "Damage Case", "Stone Dead Forever" and "Too Late Too Late" were covered by Metallica, as a birthday gift for Lemmy, and released in 1996 on their "Hero of the Day" single. The single was released as a two-CD single; "Overkill" is the second track on the first CD single, and was also used on the second disc of their 1998 cover album Garage Inc.. The single reached No. 60 on the US Billboard Hot 100 and No. 1 on the Hot Mainstream Rock Tracks, and No. 17 on the UK Singles Chart. Some of the songs were played live on a brief tour along with other tracks from Garage Inc. in 1998 which concluded at the Roseland Ballroom in New York City. The songs would finally be played again during the 2009 World Magnetic Tour.

The song was covered by Overkill, who took their name from the Overkill album by Motörhead, and appears as the first track on their 1999 album Coverkill.

In 2008, German heavy metal band Grave Digger included a cover version of the song on their EP Pray.

On 14 September 2011, members of Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, and Anthrax, collectively known as "the big four" of thrash metal, covered the song live at Yankee Stadium in the Bronx.

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Talk:Georgi Markov

Inaccurate statement
The article says Markov was jabbed on September 7, and later on that he died three days later. However, the first line says he died on September 11. How come? PeepP 16:23, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

 * An editor of mine asked me to do a piece on Markov today, and I think the story as it is typically told is more unsubstantiated than people realise, probably because what information we have was released from inteligence agencies who had agendas of their own.
 * Is there any concrete evidence that Markov was killed with an umbrella at all? From whence does this idea originate? Is the image of a poison-tip umbrella a purely hypothetical mock-up? If so, it should say so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RobertLewis (talk • contribs)

 * Is there any concrete evidence that Markov was killed with an umbrella? In a word, yes. It's not hypothetical. It happened just as described. Incidentally, the poison pellet that killed Markov is now in Scotland Yard's "Black Museum". --Nabokov 19:01, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Georgi Markov turned around to see a man bending to pick up a dropped umbrella. According to his widow, Georgi was of the opinion the dropped umbrella was just a ruse enabling the man to hide his face (by bending to pick it up) and that the pellet could have come from anything - most likely an air pistol of some kind. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.159.83.157 (talk • contribs)

 * I suppose Markov could been shot by a pea-shooter or a laser death-ray - depending on how far people want to speculate or want to deny the actual facts. Alternatively people can accept the fact that Markov really was shot by a modified umbrella - of the type which were discovered in Bulgaria when the iron curtain fell and which ex-members of the KGB have admitted were suplied to Bulgaria. An example of the umbrella used to assassinate Markov is now is a museum in the USA. The news website CNN have a news article on the topic . Nabokov 08:13, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, rather than being dismissive, people could actually provide evidence for the umbrella assertion. There doesn't seem much listed above. The existence of multiple poison umbrellas doesn't mean that Markov was killed by one. And this seems to me a propaganda fairytale. Surely after the notoriety of the umbrella, spy agencies would want a variety of options: pens, walking sticks, cameras etc.--Jack Upland (talk) 09:50, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Poison
The article states there were traces of ricin found in the pellet. I've just finished watching a documentary and those involved in the investigation (Scotland Yard and others) stated that they determined the toxin was ricin despite the fact that no traces of ricin were found in Markov or another dissident who was poisoned two weeks prior. Instead, they came to the conclusion based on circumstantial evidence (ricin was one of a few toxins known to be effective at such a low dose, and by examining a pig's organs after being killed with a similar dose, allowing them to compare the pig's symptoms and organs to Markov's). The whole process they undertook to determine it was ricin is quite fascinating and I believe should be included. At the very least the info stating that traces of ricin were found in the pellet should be redacted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.134.42.63 (talk • contribs) awwww its so sad he died poor guy

Merge proposal
There has been a formal request to merge this article with Umbrella Murder. For comments please see the article's talk page. MadMax 01:47, 17 February 2007 (UTC) They did not detect RICIN but the anti-body directed to RICIN, which is highly specific for detecting RICIN 84.158.47.64 (talk) 20:44, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

In absentia reports
The importance of "In Absentia Reports" is undermined in the article. It's generally considered the most important and concise documentary of the Communistic Era in Bulgaria (1944-1989). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 132.177.89.140 (talk) 18:44, 13 April 2007 (UTC).
 * I agree, this is extremely important, rather than the silly umbrella gun stuff. It was widely disseminated underground in Bulgaria and was very influential. 87.121.162.189 (talk) 12:56, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Alternative theory
http://cryptome.org/markov-file.htm

Weird Section
The section: ] KGB ricin attack was the only documented assasination attempt on U.S. soil, is of poor quality and not well though out. Should it be removed? Compoundinterestisboring (talk) 08:56, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I've killed it, feel free to do it up and put it back in, I suppose. Compoundinterestisboring (talk) 13:30, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Spoilers
In the "In popular culture" section there are a couple of spoilers (e.g. for Tom Clancy's Red Rabbit a major plot point is revealed). Should a spoiler warning be added? Belperite (talk) 21:43, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

 * I've removed the part which seems to contain most of the spoilers for me. The rest is the relevant part in my opinion. Compoundinterestisboring (talk) 07:20, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Statute of Limitations in Bulgaria
I have removed the following from the article:

 * The story goes on to note that the Bulgarian statute of limitations ended in 2008.

1. The story doesn't mention the statute of limitations and was written before 2008. 2. Statutes of limitations cover minor crimes, not murder. 3. While Bulgaria could have jurisdiction over the planning of the murder, you would expect the trial to be held in Britain where the act was actually committed.--Jack Upland (talk) 09:56, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Georgi Markov item - wrong slant
Hi. It seems to me that the wrong slant is given to Markov - with the emphasis on how he was killed rather than what he stood for and what he did as a Bulgarian dissident. When I ask my Bulgarian high-school students if they know of Markov, the very few who do relate his name to the 'umbrella murder' and not to his courageous voice against the communist regime. I'm happy to give detailed examples of my point of view but first, invite a reaction. Frankxq (talk) 17:01, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Ricin as a poison
The article currently states:

"Regardless of whether the doctors treating Markov had known that the poison was ricin, the result would have been the same, as there is no known antidote to ricin."

This conflicts with the Wikipedia article on Ricin itself:

"Rauber and Heard have written that close examination of early 20th century case reports indicates that public and professional perceptions of ricin toxicity "do not accurately reflect the capabilities of modern medical management."" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.45.198.134 (talk) 21:12, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Bad Diagram
Suggesting deletion of the image "A diagram of a possible umbrella gun."

It is unclear and makes little sense as to firing mechanism of the umbrella gun.

A completely redrawn labelled diagram should be made - ideally featuring a black and white line sketch with component hatching of the umbrella's cross section — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.26.48.253 (talk) 17:08, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

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New documentary
There's a new documentary, produced by Danish TV, about the Georgi Markov murder case. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/17/poison-umbrella-documentary-sheds-new-light-infamous-spy-killing-cold-war 173.88.246.138 (talk) 04:09, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

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AWOL (disambiguation)

AWOL means "absent without leave".

AWOL may also refer to:

Film and television

 * Absent Without Leave (film), a 1992 New Zealand film
 * AWOL (2016 film), a 2016 romantic drama, based on a 2010 short film of the same name
 * AWOL (2017 film), a 2017 Philippine action thriller
 * "A.W.O.L." (Arrow), an episode of the American TV series
 * Lionheart (1990 film), also known as AWOL
 * AWOL (TV series), a 1998 anime by Isamu Imakake

Music

 * A.W.O.L. (album), by AZ, 2005
 * "A.W.O.L.", a section of "B-Boy Bouillabaisse" by the Beastie Boys from the 1989 album Paul's Boutique
 * "A.W.O.L.", a song by Exodus from the 1990 album Impact Is Imminent
 * "A.W.O.L.", a song by Yellowcard from the 2001 album One for the Kids
 * "AWOL", a song by Jethro Tull from the 1999 album J-Tull Dot Com
 * AWOL (rapper), from the gangsta rap group Bloods & Crips

Other uses in arts and entertainment

 * Albert Awol, a fictional boat captain in Jungle Cruise

People

 * Mohammed Awol (born 1978), Ethiopian athlete
 * Awol Erizku (born 1988), an Ethiopian–American contemporary artist

Other uses

 * Alcohol without liquid, a method of administering alcohol

title: AWOL (disambiguation)