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Category talk:Utopian communities

 * "A map of the world that does not include Utopia is not worth even glancing at."

-Lewis Mumford
 * Was it Epimenides, a Cretan, who said "All Cretans are liars"? What's the term for that?  Because in actual real-definition terms of Utopia as "nowhere", the sentence is a conundrum - conundrum, that's the word, or close to it.  Or is it a paradox?  If Mumford is taken out of his context - the application of utopian theory to social/cultural planning/undettakings (rather ilke engineering using physics...) - and the sentence is taken literally, the world of hte map must contain "nowhere" - more than one in fact.  Well, I guess I come from palces like that (backwoods Bc, where many places/creeks/mountains don't even have names, and likely never will....), but that's only utopia if humans don't move into it.  To me, utopia leads to all kinds of mad stuff like messianism - Jonestown, Guyana, was a utopian community until....well, 'nuff said that it's not even alone in that sort of thing, just more recent and televised.  See postscript below.Skookum1 (talk) 05:41, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Insolubility, found on Epimenides' page, where there's also Liar paradox. That the map must include nowhere is very John Cage-ish, and makes odd sense.  A map with nowhere on it is kind of like a Moebius strip; but instead of being only one-sided, it's no-sided....Skookum1 (talk) 05:46, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Purpose of Category
Researchers in the history of town-planning, regional planning, social engineering, social movements, the Englightenment, the Progressive Movement, architecture, industry and labor, or literature may all find some benefit into having an index to articles about planned ideal cities, intentional communities, proposed utopias, etc. That is my purpose in creating this category. Dystopos 22:07, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Subcat needed: Category:Former utopian communities
I just added Ruskin, British Columbia, which like Holberg, British Columbia and Hagensborg, British Columbia and various others - Sointula, Webster's Corners...so many in BC, really. Anyway there's no subcat yet for utopian communities that are no longer; "defunct" is what we use for electoral districts in another area, but it seems a bit morbid, and "failed" doesn't take in all possibilities; Ruskin BC like Ruskin Florida (which I also added the cat too), so "former" seems to work. I was also expecting, and maybe there is one, a cat or cats somewhere that took in or crossed over "neo-Fabianist" and "neo-neo-Raphaelite" communal expressions; similarly Finnish and Scandainvian communal experiences are different from those of Mormons, Doukhobors, Mennonites, and other "religious communists" (when strict); in other words there were different "flavorus" of commune, and in teh case of Ruskinite communities it's more like an artsy intelliectual bunch vs the religious hardcore of a truly communist/anarchist commune, or for that matter a Satanic or neo-Celtic one....was, for example, Aleister Crowley's villa a utopian commune? Depends on what you define utopia, and on behalf and in the name of whom....there were a number of British intellectual/socail/artistci movements/groups in BC at one time, particularly on the Island and in the Islands; but rarely formally organized as with the case of others, though most failed because of their rules, or the economic inviability of the location (e.g. Cape Scott, which Danes tried to settle), or all that damn rain and isolation ;-) Anyway it seems odd to see both DeCourcy Island and Ruskin Colony (that link's for the one in Tennessee, but there are a number of places and institutions foudned around him or his teaching...what would a cat be for writers who have founded, accidentally or intentionally, movmenents of this kind or other?).  G'nite.Skookum1 (talk) 05:31, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Postscript:re my comments in reply to the Mumford quote, maybe a "failed" subcat is a good idea for stuff like cult-utoipas like Brother XII and Jonestown; for those that ended ingloriously, rather than for those that just whimpered or faded away or died out. Monasteries and the like should be a subcat here, actually; Platonic theory was built into Benedictine social/monasstic doctrine, when you stop to think about it (Plato being one of the only ancient pagans allowed to be taught by the Church - within the Church/monastery only, for a long while). Some kind of religious utopias cat seems apprproiate for Amish, Hutterites, Puritans, Old Order Doukhobour and Orthodox Mormon and the like, but there were less religious but still religious ones like Hoblerg and Sointula et al. as well; terminology is tricky, I'd say.Skookum1 (talk) 05:41, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

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Movement for Democracy (Slovakia)

The Movement for Democracy (Hnutie za demokraciu) was a political party in Slovakia created in 2002 when it split from the Movement for a Democratic Slovakia. From 2002 to 2004 the first leader of the party was Ivan Gašparovič, who served as president of Slovakia from 2004 to 2014. The leader since 2004 was Jozef Grapa.

In the parliamentary election of 17 June 2006, the party won 0.6% of the popular vote and lost parliamentary representation. Movement for Democracy was part of the Alliance for Europe of the Nations from 2002 to 2009.

After 2010, the party became inactive, but not formally disbanded. Its shell was taken over by former founding member Peter Marček who renamed it to "Voice of the People" (Hlas Ľudu) in December 2018. The party was later renamed to Republic.

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 * Official website of the Movement for Democracy (archived in 2008)

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Juan Francisco de Molina

Juan Francisco de Molina (1779–1878) was the First President of Honduras from January 10 to April 13, 1839.

Childhood
Juan Francisco de Molina was born in 1779 in the city of Tegucigalpa, Honduras. His father was Juan Francisco Molina Esquivel and his mother was Cecilia Solís de Molina.

Politics and Presidency
Juan held the position of Counsellor of State and accessed to the position of president on January 10 of 1839 when José Lino Matute, having health problems, retires from it. Just 2 days after being in charge, he signed the approving document of the new constitution of Honduras that left the one of 1825 without validity and that gave the appointment of president to the chief executive.

During his mandate, he celebrated an Offensive Alliance Treaty with Nicaragua against General Francisco Morazán. The army of Honduras was headed by General Francisco Ferrera and the army of Nicaragua was in command of Coronel Bernardo Méndez, but were defeated by Morazán's forces on April 5 of 1839 in the Battle of the Holy Spirit, even though that in it, Morazán and General José Trinidad Cabañas were injured.

After that, in El Salvador they chose Morazán as president, who which took the decision to attack Honduras by the army led by José Trinidad Cabañas, who which later obtained resounding successes in Cuesta Grande and in La Soledad he took the city of Tegucigalpa, causing with this that Juan Francisco de Molina fled to Juticalpa.

He left his presidential duties on April 11, 1839 and was succeeded in office by Felipe Neri Medina, who at that moment held the position of Counsellor of State.

Death
Juan Francisco de Molina died in 1878 at the age of 99 in his hometown.

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Felipe Neri Medina

Felipe Neri Medina Valderas y Fernández de Córdova  (born 1797) was President of Honduras 13–15 April 1839. His parents were Petrona Idiáquez Cordova and Ignacio Medina Valderas.

He came from a family of wealthy mine owners and Hacienderos. His father served repeatedly as Intendente (prefect) of Danlí. He started school at the Colegio Seminario de Guatemala in 1810 and then studied at the Universidad de San Carlos de Guatemala. He married Dolores Serafin Gomez, in Comayagua, and was a member of the Liberal Party.

After serving as a member of the Constituent Assembly and the Parliament, he was appointed Supreme Director.

On 26 October 1838 Honduras declared itself a separate state under José María Martinez Salinas. Francisco Ferrera sought to separate Honduras from the federal government under Francisco Morazán. On 5 April 1839 Morazán defeated the combined forces of Medina and those of Nicaragua at the Battle of Espiritu Santo in El Salvador. On 25 September 1839, Francisco Ferrera surprised the troops of Honduras at San Pedro, the troops and Medina, wounded in the engagement, fled to Nicaragua.

On 15 April 1839, Medina came back from exile and the Parliament appointed Juan José Alvarado as his successor.

Medina then spent several years in exile in Guatemala.

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Juan José Alvarado

Juan José Alvarado (1798–1857) was Supreme Director of Honduras from 15 April 1839 to 27 April 1839.

Alvarado was born in Ciudad de la Esperanza, Intibucá, but later lived in Gracias a Dios in the department of Lempira, where he worked as a surveyor. There he became a judge of first instance and Jefe Político of Gracias.

He was a member of the Constituent Assembly and was elected President of this Parliament. On 26 October 1838 under the provincial government of José María Martinez Salinas, the province of Honduras had declared itself a separate state. Francisco Ferrera led the party of the federal government under José Francisco Morazán Quezada and resisted the separation. On 5 April 1839 his troops were defeated by Nicaragua and to the troops of Morazán in the battle of Espiritu Santo in El Salvador. On 25 September 1839, at San Pedro Perulapán, the troops of Honduras surprised Francisco Ferrera, who was wounded and fled to Nicaragua.

Although Alvarado stated that he withdrew for reasons of health, the political and military pressure from Morazán contributed to it. He died in Gracias.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of people born in the Kabaa

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was merge and redirect to Kabaa. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 05:01, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

List of people born in the Kabaa
Mostly procedural, filling a redlink on the Vfd page. That said, any article where the external links vastly outweigh the internal content gives me pause. Looking at the contrib's talk page has deep concerns about edit wars and POV editing. I have previously watched this editor because most of their new articles lack context to know what they are about (EG Salma Umm-ul-Khair), and are usually word-for-word from another website. I have only not marked them as copyvio in case they are based on some religous text(s), even tho' that seems unlikely as they usually only appear on one or two other websites. Bottom line, I don't really feel qualified to vote as I don't want to take the time to figure out what in blazes is going on here. Niteowlneils 01:16, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

 * If kept, the page needs to be moved to List of people born in the Kaaba. I don't feel that this is an amazingly encyclopedic list topic, but then again, it's more encyclopedic than a list of songs about drugs other than heroin, or Pokemons, so abstain. - Mustafaa 01:21, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Merge into Kaaba. As Mustafaa alluded to, we have much less encylopedic lists already extant on Wikipedia. The article is apparently well-researched, as well. My only concern is the name; "List of people born in the Kabaa" is a bit of an anti-climax once you see the article and realize that there's only two names on the whole list and its unlikely to ever grow. I'd say merge into the existing Kaaba article. Fernando Rizo 02:09, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge to Kabaa per Rizo. It never makes sense to have a list with two items.--Pharos 03:23, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge to Kabaa. To answer one of the points in the discussion below, if there is controversy over who exactly was or was not born there, that can be discussed too; the article doesn't have to claim everything as a fact, and shouldn't if something is disputed.  (Actually just another reason to have it not be a list.)  Dcarrano 05:04, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Kabaa. JamesBurns 09:41, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge to Kabaa per Fernando Rizo -Harmil 15:34, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Redirect to Kabaa, give a smal section to report the conradictions. --Striver 16:10, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Discussion
A Shi'a editor named Striver, upset at being told that he couldn't fill the Ali ibn Abu Talib article with Muslim oral traditions (hadith) proving that Ali was the only person in history born inside the Kaaba, created this article, List of people born in the Kaaba, and linked all the hadith to it.

After some controversy at the Ali article, Mustafaa added a sentence saying that Shi'a Muslims claim Ali was born in the Kaaba. This was not enough for Striver, who has created this inane and un-encyclopedic article. I think the sentence in the Ali article is enough. Zora 22:09, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Forget it Zora, Mustafaa said in my talk page that i could creat that!

--Striver 22:26, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Perhaps I don't agree with Mustafaa? Perhaps if there's any discussion of this issue, it should be in an article with a different name and a different format? The article's title is POV, in that it assumes the matter to be proved. The article's format is bad, in that it's your usual list of hadith, without any argument, explanation, background, anything. And I don't think it's OK for you to just wipe the VFD template off the page in question and assume that this settles the matter. Zora 22:50, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Then make a vote for making those changes, not a vote for deleting the article!

 * --Striver 23:10, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Guys, the actual VfD is on Votes for deletion/List of people born in the Kaaba for some reason. I've already explained my position there. - Mustafaa 02:27, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Merged. Previous history at Votes for deletion/List of people born in the Kaaba. - Mustafaa 02:29, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Question If we merge it to the Kabaa article will this links follow:

 * anwary-islam.com: Hakim was the only person born in the Kabaa

 * witness-pioneer.org: Ali was born in the Kabaa
 * witness-pioneer.org: Ali was uniquely born in the Kabaa
 * witness-pioneer.org: Hakim was the only person born in the Kabaa

 * was Ali or Hakim born in the Kabba?

 * umr.edu: only Hakim was born in the Kabaa

 * islamonline.com/: only Hakim was born in the Kabaa

 * Sahi Muslim says Hakim

 * yazehra.com
 * imamalinet.net
 * islamroots
 * ezsoftech.com
 * aljaafaria.com

 * slamicate.com says Ali
 * Wikipedia Says Ali
 * ismaili.net says Ali

--Striver 03:11, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * It is not Wikipedia's mission to provide unchanging article URLs to which external websites can link without needing maintainance. In particular, WP's purpose is not to serve as an authoritative reference for a topic which has no verifiability except millennium-old oral traditions.  Merge into Kaaba, explaining the (largely-theological-BS) dispute between factions.  If this point were a major reason that Sunni and Shi'a Muslims are killing each other in Iraq and elsewhere, then I would support a stand-alone article on the topic, but not a "list" of two people with dubious (and mutually contradictory!) verifiability.  Barno 15:12, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Cover
It'd be better the have a facsimile of the original title page than a modern book cover. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.156.49.248 (talk • contribs) 17:09, 13 July 2005
 * ✅ — Llywelyn II   04:40, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Sharing the letter I've referenced

 * "my object...is to indicate, in cheerful terms, that we are for the most part an abominably foolish and selfish people 'desperately wicked' and all eager vanities. Everybody is you see in that book,--for instance if I had made Amelia a higher order of woman there would have been no vanity Dobbins falling in love with her." ... "I want to leave everybody dissatisfied and unhappy at the end of the story--we ought all to be with our own and all other stories.  Good God don't I see (in that maybe cracked and warped looking glass in which I am always looking) my own weaknesses wickednesses lusts follies shortcomings?...We must lift up our voices about these and howl to a congregation of fools: so much at least has been my endeavour." WLM

I've typed this out in the interests of allowing others to review my new section. Lotsofissues 08:56, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Um... Thanks (?) but it'd be better to have a link or citation so that we could fix the obvious mistakes you introduced into (at minimum) the grammar of those sentences. — Llywelyn II   04:42, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Where are all my favorite characters?
I couldn't help missing little Rawdon, the O'Dowds, Lady Jane, etc., but I think it would get too confusing and boring to just plug them into the somewhat blow-by-blow plot summary we have at the moment - maybe if it got revised a lot and gave a less complete account of the main characters. But does anyone else feel their absence, or is it just my POV? Candle-ends 20:21, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's just your POV.

 * But, seriously, the main page should really be cleaned up to restrict its treatment to the main characters as listed by the author in the preface and the rest should go to a List of Vanity Fair characters that could be linked from the section. It is a major enough work to deserve it, especially since it's half roman a clef anyway. — Llywelyn II   11:50, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Becky's European wanderings
I made a minor change in the description of Becky's difficulties in staying one step ahead of her reputation. Steyne hounds her out of Rome, but it's just ordinary gossip that drives her from place to place, because too many people know about what happened, even if only second-hand. Anyway, Steyne dies in 1830, so he can't hound her for very long. Thackeray says: "Whenever Becky made a little circle for herself with incredible toils and labour, somebody came and swept it down rudely, and she had all her work to begin over again." (p. 818, OUP 1983 edition). Serandou 09:41, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Plot summary too long and intro too short
People shouldn't have to read a book report in order to get the gist of the novel. For a great example of an intro that combines a simple plot summary with the important historical and literary facts about the novel see Hamlet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.116.59.222 (talk) 07:21, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Involved storylines need involved summaries. For short "gists", we have the lead section.

 * Given the editorializing and POV of the current version of the page, it might be worthwhile to go back to the version this editor was complaining about and restore more of it. — Llywelyn II   04:43, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Not only the plot is too long. The main characters are described too fully. Timmytimtimmy (talk) 02:52, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Theorists
After reading some of the "Theorists" section, I started reading the Introduction to Vanity Fair called "Before the Curtain". After reading what Thackeray actually wrote and comparing it to what the author of "Theorists" wrote, I added Thackerays actual words as a reference. It clearly demonstrates that the author of "Theorists" is a charlatan. I have no intention of altering any of it but for my part, the whole section can be deleted with no loss to readers. Mike Hayes (talk) 17:37, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Rewrite of plot
I have made a massive change, by rewriting the whole plot section. This may be arrogant of me, and I quite understand if it is reversed, or (hopefully) heavily rewritten in turn. But I feel that the previous version was specifically in error in some places, and not clear in others. I started by considering changes, but ended up feeling a rewrite was easier!

My specific grouses were :
 * I don't think Thackeray ever states explicitly that Becky has an affair with Steyne. He seems to deliberately leave that as ambiguous. So my rewrite seeks to high-light that ambiguity.

 * I don't think that Dobbin fell out of love with Amelia at the end of the novel. True - they had a flaming row. But he came back immediately at her letter. Yes, it says that he loves his daughter more than Amelia, but he's a soppy old soul, and particularly fond of vulnerable people. Now - I do NOT seek to impose my own opinion in my rewrite. Rather I have left out the matter altogether.

I have also tried to give a much simpler account of this complex plot! I have concentrated on names and who is on what terms with who, rather than try to give the flavour of this sparkling satirical novel. I imagine the reader to be a young student wanting a crib on the story, so he/she could concentrate on the nature of the novel while reading it, instead of trying to sort out all those Crawleys, Sedleys and Osbornes!

Of course, you may feel that the plot summary is still too long. But it is quite a complicated novel. Joedkins (talk) 15:15, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your work but your points are badly taken. The ambiguity of the base text is undone by his statements that he is deliberately not discussing sex openly. They blatantly had an affair: Steyne isn't angry that Rebecca turned out to be virtuous but that she would be so shameless as to at this point claim to be virtuous. You can discuss Thackeray's coyness with the topic and the reasons for it, but you can't argue in good faith that she actually was innocent of that, of sleeping her way across the Continent, or of Jos's death. Dobbin is out of love at the end of the novel in any meaningful sense. He knows she isn't worthy of love (which the truly loving cannot see); he nonetheless carries on out of a sense of duty to his idea of love and the role he feels he should play. See Thackeray's own words above: it's part of the basic thesis of the work that Dobbin's love is also a vanity and not true. You can dislike that, sure, but it is what it is.

 * I'm sure it isn't perfect either but future editors might want to look at the 2008 and 2015 versions of this page to restore the useful material earlier (well-meaning) editors have removed before undertaking their own rewrites.

 * What the article could really benefit from, though, is not altered recaps but (a) spinning off a character page to deal with known roman a clef issues and help readers while limiting this page to the main characters as listed by Thackeray (viz., the girls, their respective boys, Dobbin, and Steyne) and (b) making sure we have (well-sourced) explication or links to the major allusions in the text such as charades in their 19th century context; Emmy/Georgie and Hannah/Samuel; Rebecca and the mermaid/siren; etc. I'm sure there's also quite a bit to add about social climbers known to and as understood by Thackeray's audience—Emma Hamilton and her penniless death in Europe after the great victory of Trafalgar; the governess of Maintenon and her (albeit secret) marriage to a king—that modern readers won't know but that made up a great deal of the initial understanding and reception of Becky Sharp. —  Llywelyn II   04:57, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Sequel
Some background here. Several of the original sources—like The Critic—are on Google Books but they're insanely being shown in snippet form despite being well out of copyright. In any case, Thackeray provided a "canon" continuation of the story in a letter to the 6th Duke of Devonshire on May 1, 1848, bringing the story up to date from the gossip he had previously heard from Lord Tapeworm: "My lord Duke Mrs. Rawdon Crawley whom I saw last week and whom I informed of Your Grace's desire to have her portrait, was good enough to permit me to copy a little drawing made of her 'in happier days', she said with a sigh, by Smee the Royal Academician. Mrs. Crawley now lives in a small but very pretty little house in Belgravia: and is conspicuous for her numerous charities wh. always get into the newspaper, and her unaffected piety. Many of the most exalted and spotless of her own sex visit her, and are of opinion that she is a most injured woman. There is no sort of truth in the stories regarding Mrs. Crawley & the late Lord Steyne. The licentious character of that nobleman alone gave rise to reports from wh. alas! the most spotless life and reputation cannot always defend themselves— The present Sir Rawdon Crawley (who succeeded his late uncle Sir Pitt 1832, Sir Pitt died on the passing of the Reform Bill) does not see his mother: and his undutifulness is a cause of deepest grief, to that admirable lady. 'If it were not for higher things,' she says, how could she have borne up against the worlds calumny, a wicked husbands cruelty and falseness, and the thanklessness (sharper than a serpent's tooth) of an adored child? But she has been preserved mercifully preserved to bear all these griefs and awaits her reward elsewhere. The italics are Mrs. Crawley's own. She took the style and title of Lady Crawley for some time after Sir Pitts death in 1832, but it turned out that Colonel Crawley Governor of Coventry Island had died of fever three months before his brother, whereupon Mrs. Rawdon was obliged to lay down the title wh. she had prematurely assumed. The late Jos. Sedley, Esqre. of the Bengal Civil Service left her two lakhs of rupees, on the interest of wh. the widow lives in the practices of piety and benevolence before mentioned. She has lost what little good looks she once possessed, and wears false hair and teeth (the latter give her rather a ghastly look when she smiles) and—for a pious woman—is the best crinolined lady in Knightsbridge district. Colonel and Mrs. W. Dobbin live in Hampshire near Sir R. Crawley: Lady Jane was godmother to their little girl: and the ladies are exceedingly attached to each other. The Colonel's 'History of the Punjaub' is looked for with much anxiety in some circles. Captain & Lt. Colonel G. Sedley-Osborne (he wishes he says to be distinguished from some other branches of the Osborne family and is descended by the mothers side from Sir Charles Sedley) is I need not say well, for I saw him in a most richly embroidered cambric pink shirt with diamond studs bowing to your Grace at the last party at Devonshire House. He is in Parliament: but the property left him by his Grandfather has, I hear, been a good deal overrated. He was very sweet upon Miss Crawley Sir Pitt's daughter who married her cousin the present Baronet, and a good deal cut up when he was refused. He is not however a man to be permanently cast down by sentimental disappointments. His chief cause of annoyance at the present moment is that he is growing bald, but his whiskers are still without a gray hair, and the finest in London. I think these are the latest particulars relating to a number of persons about whom Your Grace was good enough to express some interest. I am very glad to be enabled to give this information and am Your Graces very much obliged Svnt W. M. Thackeray P.S. Lady O'Dowd is at O'Dowdstown arming. She has just sent a letter of adhesion to the Lord Lieutenant, wh. has been acknowledged by his Excellency's private secretary Mr. Corry Connellan. Miss Glorvina O'Dowd is thinking of coming up to the Castle to marry the last-named gentleman. P.S.2. The India mail just arrived announces the utter ruin of the Union Bank of Calcutta in wh. all Mrs. Crawleys money was. Will Fate never cease to persecute that suffering Saint?" Note Thackeray himself lost most of his own inheritance through the failure of an Indian bank. The attached drawing shows Becky on a couch reading Altina, with a copy of Les Liaisons Dangereuses open on the floor nearby.

Separately, "Life Imitates Art Far More than Art Imitates Life", from Oscar Wilde's 1889 The Decay of Lying: An Observation, includes a (third-hand) history of the governess who supposedly principally inspired the character of Becky Sharp. — Llywelyn II   03:08, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Sources for future article expansion
Ok, if this goes on any more, I'll need to read through the entire novel and major pieces of Thackerayana and it'll be a year of my life gone. So, for the next editor who gets surprised that this story is much better than English teachers let on, here are the tabs I have open right now that still need going through:

 * More at Heiler's paper on the narration's disingenuousness
 * More at York's paper re: references and illustrations, particularly needed info on Clytemnestra as woman and avenging fury in Aeschylus and the other one, Mme Maintenon, Emma Hamilton, Trojan doubling for the Napoleonic wars, Aeneid/Odyssey refs and homecoming, allusions to Dobbin bearing some responsibility for George's death, &c.
 * More at Milne's book re: Thackeray's twist on Vanity Fair, particularly needed info on places where the narrator pointedly excludes the reader from some scene or information & the evangelical upbringing Thackeray's mom inflicted on him and his reluctance to openly espouse the religious views he nonetheless held in his literature
 * Much more at Sutherland's Appendix C, tracing the entire life cycle of Vanity Fair, with composition and publication details (incl. intended hostility to Carlyle and O'Malley and the original publication plans that fell through b/c Thackeray had satirized the writer who ended up taking over the original magazine), the mixed nature of early reviews (they were not universally positive as currently stated), and several important asides, including the origin of the title, the late invention of Dobbin and his function as a hero, the initial cover's shout-out to Jonathan Swift and Punch and mocking of Nelson and Wellington, centrality of Waterloo (it had been intended for the 30th anniversary) in the conception of the work and his preparatory visit to it but morality and contemporary lit influencing Thackeray's decision to stay with the noncombatants in his treatment of it and the success of Snob in shifting the work's focus; see also the listed Telegraph article for modern appreciation of that move, etc. etc. etc.
 * Sutherland's entry on Thackeray has more details on the publication history, initial sales and reception, and influence on Thackeray's own life that all need adding; it's also a source for him shifting from being a "penny a liner" (actually £60 for each vol. of VF) to a "serious" novelist and Victorian England's "second author" after Dickens;
 * has more on Rhoda and Jews in the work, particularly Thackeray's ability to refer to them coyly by using his illustrations as part of the text
 * . has discussion of Anne's mother's insanity, bits on inspiration for VF’s characters, Thackeray saying Amelia ended as a "tender little parasite", &c.
 * includes the "Sequel" letter given above, reviews, etc.
 * , reprinted 1996 & 2016 by Routledge as The Life of William Makepeace Thackeray.
 * , on the names and their background.
 * , like it says on the tin.

This isn't really a RS but it's well-sourced and -argued, so it's useful for considering and double-checking. — Llywelyn II   15:54, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

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Sol Tax

Sol Tax (30 October 1907 – 4 January 1995) was an American anthropologist. He is best known for creating action anthropology and his studies of the Meskwaki, or Fox, Indians, for "action-anthropological" research titled the Fox Project, and for founding the academic journal Current Anthropology. He received his doctorate from the University of Chicago in 1935 and, together with Fred Eggan, was a student of Alfred Radcliffe-Brown.

Early life
Tax grew up in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. During his formative years he was involved in a number of social clubs. Among these was the Newsboys Republic with which his first encounter was when he was "arrested" for breaking their rules. Tax began his undergraduate education at the University of Chicago but had to leave for lack of funds. He returned to school at the University of Wisconsin–Madison, where he studied with Ralph Linton. He later earned a doctorate at the University of Chicago in 1935. He joined the faculty of that institution in 1940 where he spent several decades teaching. Tax was a mentor to noted anthropologist Joan Ablon at the University of Chicago.

Career
He was the main organizer for the 1959 Darwin Centennial Celebration held at the University of Chicago. He was an organizer, along with the National Congress of American Indians, including Native American organizer Willard LaMere, of the 1961 American Indian Chicago Conference. He assisted in authoring the resulting Statement of Indian Purpose, the first major statement of the policy of tribal self-determination.

Honors
The American Anthropological Association presented to him and Bela Maday its Franz Boas award for exemplary service to anthropology in 1977. He was the association's president in 1959.

Action Anthropology
Sol Tax is known as a founder of "Action Anthropology", a school of anthropological thought that forwent the traditional doctrine of non-interference in favor of co-equal goals of "learning and helping" from studied cultures. As an example, he was a lead organizer of the influential 1961 American Indian Chicago Conference (AICC). The meeting brought together 460 American Indians from 90 tribes from June 13 to June 20, 1961, at the University of Chicago to help "all Indians of the whole nation to express their own views" and draft a shared "Declaration of Indian Purpose." President John F. Kennedy received the declaration in a ceremony at the White House in 1962. The spirit of self-determination expressed in the document became a cornerstone of Native activism in the years that followed, including the Red Power movement and the expansion of Native American gaming.

In 1974, when the Chicago Native American Committee established the Native American Educational Services College (NAES College), Tax served on its original academic review committee. As the college grew, the academic review committee was converted into a board of directors in 1978. Tax accepted an invitation to join, and he served on the committee until 1993, not long before his death. NAES credited Tax with playing a "key role in helping define a vision of Indian higher education as the basis for community development in culturally relevant terms." Tax's particular contribution was the core idea of field projects in the NAES curriculum.

Works

 * (1937, revised 1955) contributions to Social Anthropology of North American Tribes, ed. by Fred Eggan. Chicago: University of Chicago Press.
 * Robert A., ed. 2001. Doing Fieldwork: The Correspondence of Robert Redfield and Sol Tax, New Brunswick, NJ: Transaction Books.
 * (1953, revised 1972) Penny Capitalism; a Guatemalan Indian economy ISBN 978-0-374-97785-6. Tax is said to have coined the term 'Penny capitalism'.
 * (1988) and Puzzlement: A Retro-introspective Record of 60 Years of Anthropology'' Annual Review of Anthropology

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User talk:Lord Kerensky

Hi, Lord Kerensky, I'm a BattleTech fan as well, and welcome to wikipedia. Please feel free to look around, especially at the Community portal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Policies_and_guidelines

I noticed in your in-depth edits of MechCommander, you used first person quite excessively, which, in formal writing, is looked down upon.

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Cavalcade (disambiguation)

A cavalcade is a horseback procession, parade, or mass trail ride.

Cavalcade may also refer to:

Arts, entertainment, and media

 * Cavalcade (play), a play by Noël Coward
 * Cavalcade (1933 film), Academy Award-winning film adaptation of the play
 * Cavalcade (1960 film), Argentine film
 * Cavalcade (magazine), defunct British news magazine

Music

 * Cavalcade (Black Midi album), a 2021 album by rock band Black Midi
 * Cavalcade (Catamenia album), a 2010 album by metal band Catamenia
 * Cavalcade (The Flatliners album), a 2010 album by The Flatliners
 * Cavalcade (The Slow Readers Club album), a 2015 album by the Slow Readers Club

Other uses

 * Cavalcade (horse) (1931–1940), thoroughbred horse
 * Cavalcade (METRORail station), rapid transit station in Houston, Texas, United States
 * Suzuki GV1400 Cavalcade, a Suzuki luxury touring motorcycle available from 1985 to 1988 in North America

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European Foundation for Management Development

The European Foundation for Management Development (EFMD) is an international not-for-profit association based in Brussels. Europe's largest network association in the field of management development, it has over 890 member organizations from academia, business, public service and consultancy in 88 countries (as of September 2017). EFMD provides a forum for networking in management development.

EFMD operates the EFMD Quality Improvement System (EQUIS), which is one of the leading international systems of quality assessment, improvement, and accreditation of higher education institutions in management and business administration. It is comparable to its American equivalent Association to Advance Collegiate Schools of Business and provides a forum for information, research, networking and debate on innovation and best practice in management development.

The foundation also runs the EFMD Programme Accreditation System (EPAS) for programmes as well as the EFMD Deans Across Frontiers development programme (EDAF) and the Business School Impact System (BSIS).

Types of accreditation
While the EQUIS accreditation process, which is valid for an entire school (or faculty), is the main type of accreditation EFMD offers, there are a variety of other accreditations available. With EPAS it is possible for business schools to have certain degree programs accredited rather than the entire school. This variant somewhat resembles the AMBA (Association of MBAs) accreditation, as the London-based Association accredits the school's entire portfolio of MBA programs, but does not accredit the entire business school. EFMD also offers an accreditation for online courses (EOCCS) and for corporate learning (CLIP).

EFMD activities
EFMD is the European partner in the China Europe International Business School (CEIBS), a joint venture with Shanghai Jiaotong University established as the first international business school in China with autonomous status in 1994, under an agreement between the European Commission and the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Trade and Economic Cooperation. EFMD is also founding partner of the Global Foundation for Management Education (GFME), which is a joint venture with the US-based Association to Advance Collegiate Schools of Business (AACSB International). EFMD organizes conferences and seminars around the world for management development industry and published the Global Focus magazine.

In 2009, EFMD received an EU grant worth €2.2m for a project that aims to improve the efficiency of Cuban companies by providing training to senior managers. This project, called Consolidating and Strengthening Cuban Managerial Capabilities, is to be implemented under the leadership of EFMD together with ESADE, a business school in Barcelona, and the Cuban Ministry of Higher Education.


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Gemeindebau

Gemeindebau (plural: Gemeindebauten) is an Austrian German word for "municipality building". It refers to residential buildings erected by a municipality in Austria, especially the city of Vienna, usually to provide public housing.

Apartments in the building can be rented from the respective municipality.

History
Gemeindebauten have become an important part of the architecture and culture of Vienna since the 1920s. Up to 1918, the housing conditions of Vienna's growing working class were appalling by modern standards. City investigators routinely discovered unsanitary living conditions during inspections, with issues of overcrowding, excessive moisture, and a complete lack of light and air being among the most frequently cited problems. By 1877, the municipal health authority of the city (the Stadtfysikat) reported 1,113 instances of unfit dwellings, over two-thirds of which were cited for excess moisture. Overcrowding was also a perennial issue, and one case documented in the municipal health report of 1871 found that"In a shack which contained hardly enough space for six people, forty were crammed together, two of which were sick with typhoid. On the floor of this shack alone there were twelve beds. In another wooden shack covered on the outside with earth and provided with only a small, permanently closed window, there were thirteen people. There was no trace of any lavatories, and cooking had to be done with turbid water from dirty wells; otherwise no wells were available. Also several mud huts were discovered, hardly visible to onlookers, attached to the embankment of the newly-filled dam. These consisted of planks and posts, converging upwards at an acute angle, and externally covered with earth. Entry could only be achieved from a crouching position, and each of these hovels only received light and air through the one foot [12.44 inches] wide entrance ..."

When the Social Democratic Party of Austria gained control of the municipal administration during Austria's First Republic (1918–1934) (so called "Red Vienna"), it began the project of improving living conditions for workers. A large number of Gemeindebauten, usually large residential estates, were built during that time. Including those buildings that were finished after the events of February 1934, 64,000 apartments were completed, which created housing space for about 220,000 people. Apartments were assigned on the basis of a point system favoring families and less affluent citizens.

The classic interwar Gemeindebauten typically have a main entrance with a large gate, through which one enters into a yard. Inside, there are trees and some greenery, where children can play without having to go out on the street. Apartments are accessed from the inside.

This fortress-like structure made the buildings adaptable to military use. Several Gemeindebauten in Vienna, most notably the Karl-Marx-Hof, were sites of fighting during the Austrian Civil War of February 1934, when they were defended as Social Democratic Party strongholds.

Gemeindebauten continued to be built after 1945, but the style of architecture changed over the decades. During the 1960s and 1970s, the municipality began to build extensive residential blocks consisting of high-rise buildings such as Großfeldsiedlung.

Characteristics
Gemeindebauten in Vienna can be recognized by the following text (or similar) which can usually be found in large red letters above the main entrance:

Wohnhausanlage der Gemeinde Wien errichtet in den Jahren 1925 bis 1927 aus den Mitteln der Wohnbausteuer (Residential estate of the Municipality of Vienna built from 1925 to 1927 financed from the revenues of the Residential Construction Tax).

Larger Gemeindebauten are identified by their name. The names sometimes derive from the building's geographic location, but usually they are named after a person, sometimes after a famous freedom fighter (e.g., George Washington), but much more often after a famous socialist (e.g., Olof Palme) or a Viennese Social Democratic Party functionary.

Today, about 600,000 people (not necessarily poor ones), about a third of the population of Vienna, live in apartments owned by the city. As the Social Democratic Party has been firmly in control of the municipal administration since World War II, opposition politicians sometimes claim that party members are more likely to be assigned an apartment.

Notable Gemeindebauten
The most famous Gemeindebau in Vienna is the Karl-Marx-Hof, built between 1927–1933. Other notable buildings are:

 * Lassalle-Hof (1926, named after Ferdinand Lassalle)
 * Rabenhof (1927)
 * Metzleinstaler Hof (1920, named after the Matzleinsdorf suburb's old name)
 * Reumannhof (1926, named after Jakob Reumann)
 * Viktor-Adler-Hof (1924, named after Victor Adler)
 * George-Washington-Hof (1930)
 * Sandleitenhof (1928, named after former sand pits in the area)
 * Wohnhausanlage Friedrich-Engels-Platz (1933, named after Friedrich Engels)
 * Karl-Seitz-Hof (1933,, named after Karl Seitz)
 * Paul-Speiser-Hof (1929, named after Paul Speiser (Austrian politician))
 * Goethehof (1930, named after Johann Wolfgang von Goethe)

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Toldi trilogy

The Toldi trilogy is an epic poem trilogy by the Hungarian poet János Arany, inspired by the legendary Miklós Toldi, who served in the Hungarian King Louis the Great's army in the 14th century. The trilogy recounted the medieval stories of Toldi as the king's champion.

The trilogy comprises:

 * Toldi (1846)
 * Toldi szerelme (Toldi's Love) (1879)
 * Toldi estéje (Toldi's Night) (1848)

The trilogy was adapted as an animated film under the title Heroic Times in the 1980s, directed by József Gémes for the Pannonia Film Studio.

The first part of the trilogy was written for an organization led by Károly Kisfaludy.

Another animated film adaptation was released in 2022 by animator and film director Marcell Jankovics.

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"several shooting attacks against Israeli civilians and soldiers"

I wonder is there any source for the claim that the DFLP has attacked civilians during the second Intifada? I'm not particularly aware of this having happened.

"The DFLP conducts occasional guerrilla operations in Southern Lebanon."

Also curious about this - is it perhaps out of date since the Israeli withdrawal?

 * Can't find anything to suggest that this information is still accurate so am deleting it.Palmiro 17:45, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

The previous version of this article had a bit of a C&P look to it, especially the peculiar grammar.Palmiro 22:12, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

West Bank and Gaza Strip
I see the reference to "occupied territories" has been changed to "West Bank and Gaza Strip", separately wikified. I don't think this is a good idea; the occupied territories are effectively a single political/territorial concept and it's not very fair that anyone trying to look them up should have to go to two different entries. Furthermore the West Bank article referred to introduces potential confusion as to whether East Jerusalem is part of the West Bank. In the context of this article (and I suspect most similar articles) it clearly is. I propose to change this to occupied Palestinian territories. It would be both at odds with Wiipedia naming principles (use of common name) and ease of use to do otherwise, in my opinion. The term 'occupied Palestinian territories' is widely used, relatively concise, and refers to an existing article, all of which make it preferable to West Bank including East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip, which is the only unambiguous alternative.

If the problem is with the name rather than the reference, I'd be perfectly willing to point it at a West Bank and Gaza Strip article if there was one that explained the location and status of the two bits of land together, but as you can see there isn't.Palmiro 11:14, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * "Occupied Palestinian territories" provides express support for a particular POV, which one cannot do on Wikipedia. As well, it means different things to different people; large numbers of people, for example, include Israel in the "Occupied Palestinian territories".  "West Bank and Gaza Strip" is neutral, concise, and exact, and in used even more commonly than "Occupied Palestinian territories".  Thus on all counts it is the preferred usage. Jayjg (talk)  18:04, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

I don't accept that OPT provides support for any POV. While you might argue that it could logically include Israel, in the English language it's never used that way (unlike, for example "Occupied Palestine"); it has a clear, widely understood meaning. In any case, to be honest I'm not particularly hung up on the terminology, but I would like to find a solution that sends people who want to know what the territories are, or why it might be that the DFLP organises there in particular, to one place rather than two. Furthermore, as I remarked above, while you and I might well agree that "West Bank" is precise, the actual West Bank article muddies the waters. Can you suggest how we might address these two problems?Palmiro 12:45, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't see the actual West Bank article as muddying the waters in any way; can you explain why you think it does? Jayjg (talk) 06:23, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

The following is the third paragraph of the West Bank article.

The status of East Jerusalem is controversial. Israel, having annexed it, no longer considers it part of the West Bank; however, the annexation is not recognized by the United Nations or any individual country. In either case, it is often treated as separate from the West Bank due to its importance; for example, the Oslo Peace Accords treat the status of East Jerusalem as a separate matter from the status of the other Palestinian territories, to be resolved at a later undetermined date.

If that doesn't suggest to you that there is doubt as to whether East Jerusalem is part of the West Bank, I'll be surprised.Palmiro 10:07, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Why is that relevant, and why would adding the phrase "Occupied Palestinian territories" make it any clearer? From what I can tell, considering the 1947 Partition resolution, the "occupied" and "Palestinian" status of East Jerusalem is even more questionable than that of the West Bank. Jayjg (talk)  14:56, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

From your comment above it would appear that you yourself don't think the West Bank includes East Jerusalem. In that case, you certainly shouldn't have made the change you did in the article as it would render it misleading to anyone reading it with the same definition as you in mind. Incidentally the 'occupied' status of the West Bank including East Jerusalem has been established in the International Court of Justice ruling on the West Bank fence/wall/barrier (as you please): At the close of its analysis, the Court notes that the territories situated between the Green Line and the former eastern boundary of Palestine under the Mandate were occupied by Israel in 1967 during the armed conflict between Israel and Jordan. Under customary international law, the Court observes, these were therefore occupied territories in which Israel had the status of occupying Power. Subsequent events in these territories have done nothing to alter this situation. The Court concludes that all these territories (including East Jerusalem) remain occupied territories and that Israel has continued to have the status of occupying Power.  Anyway, you still haven't addressed my principle point, which I will repeat: I would like to find a solution that sends people who want to know what the territories are, or why it might be that the DFLP organises there in particular, to one place rather than two. If you have a problem with the content or name of the "Palestinian Territories" article, you should address that by seeking to resolve those problems directly, not by going around breaking wiki-links to it from other relevant topics as you did here and on Palestinian People's Party.Palmiro 19:23, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

 * The International Court of Justice's advisory rulings are interesting, though they are just that, advisory opinions. The 1947 partition plan certainly did not envisage East Jerusalem as being part of an Arab state. In any event, I see no advantage to the single link that is not outweighed by its disadvantages, especially because the links given are so neutral yet informative. Jayjg (talk)  02:03, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

You still haven't explained what the disadvantages are! The 1947 partition plan is of no relevance, by the way. It didn't envisage the rest of the West Bank becoming part of Jordan either. The fact remains that neither area was ever recognised as being part of sovereign Israel but rather both were occupied by Israel during the June 1967 war.

You don't seem to understand the status of the ICJ ruling either. It was an advisory ruling as to whether the contruction of the wall contravened internqtional law. That means that the court's decision is not binding on any party and does not of itself legally require action from any party to implement it. However, in the course of its ruling, it made a number of findings, including the finding that the OPT are occupied territories under international law. The fact that this was stated in the course of an advisory ruling rather than a binding one does not detract from its authoritative nature. The ICJ is the authorative judicial instance in questions of international law.Palmiro 16:13, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I clearly explained above the disadvantages; excess verbiage, ambiguity, and politicization/POV. The 1947 partition plan is certainly relevant to whether or not East Jerusalem is part of the "Palestinian territories". And finally, who says the ICJ is the authorative judicial instance in questions of international law?  It's just another international body which is attempting to extend its scope and jurisdiction into areas where it has no authority, by claiming it is the authority. Jayjg (talk)  18:01, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

I dispute your remark as to POV. This was a link to a page that exists on Wikipedia. If you don't like the name of that page, you should seek to resolve that issue on that page, not by preventing other articles linking to it. Excess verbiage: "Palestinian Territories" is two words, "West Bank and Gaza Strip" five. Ambiguity: no more than for West Bank, on the basis of the entries here.

As for the 1947 partition plan, perhaps I should have been clearer. What I meant was that it doesn't have any bearing on whether EJ is occupied or not. You could certainly argue that it means the Palestinian 'right' to it (and incidentally that would also mean to Bethlehem) is less clearly established than in the case of the remainder of the territories, but that isn;t in my view an adequate reason for rejecting the use of the term Palestinian territories, which can be justified in three separate ways (1) the last state they were recognised as belonging to was the British mandate of Palestine (2) they lie within the historic region of Palestine (3) they are inhabited primarily by Palestinians (4) most importantly it's widely used and understood. But I really don't want to get into a row about terminology.

Would you accept as a compromise turning the existing West Bank and Gaza Strip article into a redirect to Palestinian territories and linking that in the text? As far as I can see that would cover your objections (subject to noone objecting on that article's talk page).Palmiro 19:07, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Just because a page exists in Wikipedia doesn't mean linking to it isn't expressing a POV, much less introducing excess verbiage and ambiguity. As for your other suggestion, it would no doubt soon be changed to "Palestinian territories" in order to avoid re-directs.  I've added a link to Palestinian territories in the "See also" section to address your issues. Jayjg (talk)  19:42, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

OK. My objections to your edit stand. However, while I don't think this is a satisfactory approach, I'm not going to pursue the issue especially given the inadequate nature of the current PT article.Palmiro 19:57, 18 July 2005 (UTC) The DFLP did purposely commit terrorist attacks on israeli civilians during the second intifada. Even before the second intifada, the DFLP committed terrorist attacks on israeli civilians.-Dendoi

DFLP carried out terrorist attacks
I don't understand you people... The DFLP carried out the Ma'alot massacre, they took explicit responsibility for it! So why can't it be stated clearly in the introductory paragraph, that the DFLP carried out terrorist attacks? It's a fact that can't be disputed. Please read the article and you'll agree that it should be there. The terrorist attacks are also mentioned in the article itself, and were never denied. I don't understand why you keep deleting the sentence "...and military organization, which carried out numerous terrorist attacks". Please explain it to me clearly; I think it must be there. Thanks. --Gabi S. 07:10, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Please have a look at Words_to_avoid#Terrorist.2C_terrorism and WP:NPOV. Please note that no state or international organization (AFAIK) share your view, so stating it as a fact would not add to the Wikipedia's reliability. Furthermore, from a mathematical point of view it can be argued that one incident does not constitute numerous. Bertilvidet 07:24, 25 August 2006 (UTC), Please, Gabi S. is right. The DFLP has committed terrorist attacks on Israeli civilians. What you say would not add to wikipedia's reliability. The maalot massacre was just the first one.

what the ten point program really calls for
I see this article claiming that the ten point program calls for the two state solution. Hah. The progam calls for first a Palestinian state in the West bank and Gaza and then the Palestinian state to expand to replace Israel. Read the plan yourself. It also says that the PLO will strugle against any Palesitnian entity at the price of peace or recognition.-Dendoi December 19, 2006 Teusday 10:28 PM

DfLP goal is the destruction of Israel
The DFLPs goal is to replace Israel with a Communist Palestinian state. If you look at the map of palestine on their website, you would see that israel is not even on that map. That map does not show the border that distinguishes the West Bank from Israel and does not show the border that distinguishes Gaza from the Jewish state.-Dendoi

Repeated reinsertion of
Please read WP:WTA. Note too, that this discussion ended without concensus on whether such a category was useful or not. In order to include it here, consensus from other editors must be gained. This article is already categorized under. The reason for this is that no one officially classified the DFLP today as a terrorist organization. Indeed, the article explains that its attacks on Israel are limited to military targets within the Green Line. In other words, this is a militant group, but not a terrorist group.  T i a m u t talk 15:41, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

 * The discussion on Categories for discussion/Log/2008_November_4 ended with keeping that category. As such, arguments related to WP:WTA are irrelevant. The only thing which remains to be determined is if the group, the DFLP, meets the requirements of that category. The DFLP has carried out terrorist attacks, and is officialy designated as a terrorist organization - and thus meets the category requirements. NoCal100 (talk) 15:58, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

 * The link you gave is to a press release by the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs which calls a DFLP attacker "terrorist". That's not an official designation. Further, DFLP tactics as described in the article focus on militant activities against Israeli military targets within the Green Line (i.e. in the occupied territories) and therefore cannot be considered terrorist, as per international law, an occupied people have the right to resist their occupiers. That the category was retained due to a lack of consensus among Wikipedians as to whether it should or go, does no9t mean we have to use it. We certainly do not have to use it here, where there is very little evidence to suggest that the DFLP is considered to be a terrorist group by anyone other than Israel. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter which is why terrorist is a word to avoid. That is the reigning Wiki policy to date, the only to still enjoy consensus and until that changes, I will resist the inclusion on this category on this page and others.  T i a m u t talk 16:05, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * this category is not Category:Organizations formerly designated as terrorist, nor is it Category:Organizations designated as terrorist - it is Category:Palestinian terrorism. What you are doing is subverting the decision arrived at - which was to keep the new category, and by implication, use it. At the same time, the category Zionist terrorism was created and populated. I did not participate in the deletion discussion discussion, because I am ok with either deleting both these categories, or keeping them both (and then, of course, using them). If this is a principled stance on your part, I'd be happy to help you remove organizations in both categories. otherwise, it seems like pushing a certian POV, where only one nationality's terrorist organizations are so labeled. NoCal100 (talk) 16:17, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I have never added the Category:Zionist terrorism or Category:Jewish terrorism to any article, though I do support them being used if Category:Palestinian terrorism is to be used. Nor have I seen the other categories added to articles on my watchlist. If I did, I probably would have removed them as well, since as I said (please WP:AGF) "terrorism" is a WP:WTA. In any case, what we are discussing here is this article. The DFLP is not currently designated as a terrorist organization. It is also doubtful that there has ever been consensus regarding its former activities (resistance or terrorism?). Terrorism is a tactic and one used by many people. There is no such thing (in my mind) as "Palestinian terrorism" or "Zionist terrorism". Both Palestinians and Zionists have used terrorist tactics to be sure, but to pair the word terrorism with a nationality or ideology just crosses the line into unnecessary and inaccurate essentialization. That there was no consensus in the debate over the cateory leading to its being kept, does not mean we must use it. We have to discuss its application in each case if others want to use it, but we don't have to agree its use just because it exists.  T i a m u t talk 16:28, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree that Category:Zionist terrorism and Category:Jewish terrorism should be used if Category:Palestinian terrorism is to be used - and as a corollary, that if Category:Palestinian terrorism is being depopulated of its member pages, as you and Ceedjee are apparently doing, so should the categories Category:Zionist terrorism and Category:Jewish terrorism. I am really ok with either solution - so long as it is being done in an even handed manner. That is why I ask if you are going to be doing the same for those other categories (Check Irgun, Lehi, List of Irgun attacks during the 1930s, Gush Emunim Underground and others) - as a matter of principle, or if you are only going to be doing it for the Palestinian category. NoCal100 (talk) 16:51, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not doing it systematically for either. I did it for a couple of articles that appeared on my watchlist. When I noticed you had added the category to both, I checked you contribs to see where else you added it. I removed it from a couple of other articles (but not all of them that you tagged). I'm not really interested in being systematic about it. I prefer editing to categorizing to be honest. I can pledge that I will personally not add any of the categories anywhere and will try to remove those I see, but that won't really solve any problems here, since people will edit-war to get their way with these. That's why I think it's just better to get rid of them altogether.  T i a m u t talk 18:43, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I've started a discussion about this here, which is where the original categories were proposed and achieved consensus - you should probably take your comments there. I don't know if you and cedjee are doing this "systematically" or not, and it does not really matter - the end result is that you are depopulating the Category:Palestinian terrorism category, while leaving Category:Zionist terrorism intact, which is obviously not neutral. Please demonstrate your good faith by depopulating the  Category:Zionist terrorism articles I've pointed you to. NoCal100 (talk) 19:32, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

 * I explained why I removed the cats I did above and why I won't be doing anything systematic about it as well. I noticed from your contribs that you have removed cats of Jewish terrorism and Zionist terrorism from various articles while adding Palestinian terrorism. You seem to like categorizing so I suggest you take it upon yourself to do a systematic removal of all the cats, if you are so inclined. That doesn't change my position about the placing of that category on this page, where I maintain that it is inappropriate and does not reflect what the DFLP is about, and particularly not today. Happy editing.  T i a m u t talk 20:42, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You said you would 'try to remove those I see' - and I've shown you several. You are of course free not to do what you pledged you will do, and people will be free to draw their conclusions about this - whether you are acting out of principled opposition to "xxx terrorism" categories, or are pushing a certain nationalistic POV. I know I've drawn my conclusions, and will edit accordingly. NoCal100 (talk) 20:54, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't see Tiamut "pledging" to do anything in quite the definitive terms that you have suggested. If you wish to discuss the details of the English language again, I am more than willing to do so. In any event you seem to be complaining simply when other editors fail to do what you are suggesting, as if this is some sort of fundamental problem. And while you are here, please comment on content not on the contributor (Is that right? And what's the wiki-link? Where's Jayjg where you need him?)--Nickhh (talk) 23:15, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Here I am, thanks for asking. I find it hard to believe that people would insist that the group responsible for the Ma'alot massacre and Avivim school bus massacre are not "terrorist". In any event, here's a reliable source: "In 1974 it took responsibility for an especially brutal terrorist attack in Maʿalot, Israel, in which several dozen schoolchildren were taken hostage and a number of them killed, and another raid". Jayjg (talk) 01:55, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

(outdent) Ridiculous. We have a guideline called WP:WTA precisely because on man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. So please don't pretend that by providing one source (or even tens of sources) that designates some of the actions of this group as "terrorism" that the bar for including this group in the Category:Palestinian terrorism has been met. The category should not even exist in the first place, but just because it does, does not oblige us to use.

I can provide tens of sources that characterize this group as a "national liberation movement", "resistance movement", "freedom fighters" and we could create categories with those names as well. We don't do that here at Wikipedia though since it would lead to endless edit-warring across mutliple pages (as is happening here and at Fateh and elsewhere).

In any case, there is no consensus for including this category on this page. It is the editors adding something to the page who have to gain consensus for their edits. Since none has been attained, the cat shouldn't be here. Period.  T i a m u t talk 17:49, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, we do have WP:WTA, and yet, the category exists, and was not deleted at CFD. And I'm sure most of the organizations categorized as under the "Terrorism" categories could also be described as "national liberation" etc. We currently have a situation where categories such as Category:Palestinian terrorism, Category:Zionist terrorism, Category:Nationalist terrorism exist. You disagree with their existence; very well. However, you cannot resolve that disagreement by selectively depopulating one category. Either these categories should exist, in which case they need to be appropriately populated, or they should not exist, in which case they should be dealt with at CFD. Now, what criteria are you using for populating the categories? Jayjg (talk) 02:28, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't populate these categories, any of them. As I said above, categorization is generally not my thing. When articles on my watchlist have had these categories added to them and I've seen it, I've removed them. Otherwise, I have nothing to do with them since I think they are silly. Terrorism is a tactic, and should not be paired with national ideologies or national groups as though it were possible to essentialize people. It's not. If people insist on using a category with the word terrorism in it, I might accept Category:Use of terrorism as a tactic. Terrorism is a tactical means to end. No more, no less. It's not worse than any other form of violent intimidation. Unfortunately, its a much more emotive term as it is used colloquially and when paired with national groupings (as in "Palestinian terrorism") becomes borderline racist and de-humanizing.  T i a m u t talk 02:44, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I happened to agree with you, that none of these categories should exist. That said, they do, so they cannot be selectively de-populated. If you like, I could propose that they all be deleted at CFD. Jayjg (talk) 02:59, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

 * I think my jaw just hit the ground. Jayjg, we agree?!? How is that possible? ;) Anyway, I'd be happy to participate in a CFD on the issue. If, or when, you do set it up, let me know. I'll be their with bells on.  T i a m u t talk 03:02, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

A link might need review
In the section "Between Fatah and the rejectionists" it reads the DFLP "acted as a strong supporter of the 1974 Ten Point Program." The words "Ten Point Program" links to a website which might be malicious and I believe should be looked into. LoneWolf1992(talk) 01:48, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

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There is a dead reference to the 10 point program. There is now an article that can be used in place of the dead external link. PLO%27s_Ten_Point_Program

Marxist-Leninist-Maoist?
There are no citations for the claim that DFLP is MLMist. I have never seen anyone claim this with any evidence other than this article, which cites no evidence itself. If there is no evidence, this claim should be removed.2601:642:C481:4640:EDCD:145B:D668:C976 (talk) 03:17, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

In 2023, I’d say the fact that “DFLP partakes in no major operations” is no longer true
In 2023, the DFLP, under Hawatmeh’s leadership, joined the Hamas-led offensive Operation Al-Aqsa Storm against Israel, attacking multiple targets with their paramilitary wing, the National Resistance Brigades. The DFLP admitted to this involvement in their party news, Alhourriah, on October 8th. Solidarityandfreedom (talk) 00:51, 12 October 2023 (UTC) There is good evidence that the DFLP may have participated in the killing of civilians when Hamas invaded Israel. There is a video that suggests that. And I'm a supporter of Palestinians! But I believe in truth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:E070:A850:A03B:6717:F4A1:B764 (talk) 11:36, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Pieter Cleppe
Pieter Cleppe wrote on Twitter:

Funds from Sweden's "Left Party"'s aid organization have gone to projects with links to the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP), a group that participated in the Hamas terror raid on Israel.

The U.S. (and the EU) should now relist this group as a terrorist organisation, which it was until 1999:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Front_for_the_Liberation_of_Palestine

Do You know is the "Left Party" called the social democrats or what kind of Marxian party is it, i.e. what is the name today? Kartasto (talk) 05:58, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Oficial
https://www.kan.org.il/content/kan-news/global/664139/ 2.55.184.3 (talk) 07:53, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

 * Can You tell us have they ever discussed about that organization for to be defined as a terrorist organization in the West (EU, UK, USA etc.)?
 * आतंकवादी संगठन के रूप में परिभाषित किया जाए Kartasto (talk) 05:42, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
 * That article is weird. It seems to say they "admitted for the first time" in December? But the militant wing released video of themselves in Israon 7 October. Unless I'm getting mixed up and that was just the PFLP? MWQs (talk) 10:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Edit request - Typo
Please edit heading of first section of History. "Formation as the PDFLP" should read "Formation as the DPFLP." Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomas F. Scharff (talk • contribs) 18:53, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ Left guide (talk) 04:05, 18 July 2024 (UTC)


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Carpia

Carpia (Καρπία) was an Iberian city which is said to be the site of the ancient city Tartessos, which disappeared around 600 BCE, or the refoundation of the sunken city.

History
Pausanias, a Greek traveler and geographer of the 2nd century CE, wrote of a connection between Tartessos and Carpia after visiting Elis:
 * "They say that Tartessus is a river in the land of the Iberians, running down into the sea by two mouths, and that between these two mouths lies a city of the same name. The river, which is the largest in Iberia, and tidal, those of a later day called Baetis, and there are some who think that Tartessus was the ancient name of Carpia, a city of the Iberians."

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Francisco Zelaya y Ayes

General José Francisco Zelaya y Ayes (1798 – 1848) was acting President of Honduras from 21 September 1839 to 1 January 1841.

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Coronado Chávez

Coronado Chávez (8 November 1807–22 June 1881) was President of Honduras from 8 January 1845 to 1 January 1847. He was appointed by Francisco Ferrera as Vice President of Honduras from 1841 to 1843, and for the week prior to his taking office he had been a member of the council of ministers that was running Honduras along with Casto Alvarado. He was succeeded by Juan Lindo.

Early life
Coronado Chávez was born to María Mercedes Chavez in 1807. He was a carpenter by trade. He would return to this job after an exile in El Salvador with Ferrera. He died in 1881 at the age of 73.

Career
Chávez and Santos Guardiola, Francisco Ferrera, and Felipe Jáuregui formed a "clique" and operated in each other's interests. He worked in politics as Minister of Finance and both Minister of Exterior and Minister of War in 1843. In 1846, after Malespín's War, he took the title of Padre Conscripto, after the Roman title Pater Patriae. For this, he was ridiculed by some.

Presidency
His presidency began in 8 January 1845 after Francisco Ferrera's second term ended, being elected by the legislature. In that vote, he ran against José Santos Guardiola. Honduras' Constitution did not allow for a third term. However, Chávez is said to have acted as the puppet of Ferrera, who remained the effective leader. He defended himself, saying "not a single instance could be cited in which he [sic] allowed himself to be dictated to by any military leader or had acted subject to any such leader's will or caprice."

As president, he encouraged the growing of coffee and hat manufacturing. He exempted military veterans from paying their first fruits and tithes. He created the Literary Society of Honduras in 1846, which became the state university in 1850 under Juan Lindo. It was also renamed the Literary Academy of Tegucigalpa.

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Talk:Charles White

I think the original version of the Charles White article was articulate as well

Disambiguation
this needed to link directly to the disambiguation page, i've moved the charles white article to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/charles_white_(American_football_player) and set up this page to automatically link to the disambiguation page

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Talk:Space Shuttle Project

I can't believe this is archived somewhere —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.107.0.106 (talk • contribs) 22:14, July 13, 2005

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User:MathMan64/TrigConstants

Details showing that the two forms are the same
The two plans for solving a cubic equation give what looks like two different solutions. In both plans the formulas for P, Q, R, and S are the same.

Starting from $$x^3 + ax^2 + bx + c = 0 \ $$

 * $$P = \frac{3b - a^2} 3$$

 * $$Q = \frac{9ab - 27c -2a^3}{27}$$

 * $$R = \frac Q 2$$

 * $$S = \frac P 3$$

Cardano's method result is:

 * $$x = \sqrt[3]{R + \sqrt{R^2+S^3}} + \sqrt[3]{R - \sqrt{R^2+S^3}} - \frac a 3$$

Vieta's method result is:

 * $$x = \sqrt[3]{R + \sqrt{R^2+S^3}} - \frac S {\sqrt[3]{R + \sqrt{R^2+S^3}}} - \frac a 3$$

These two can be shown to be the same if the second terms of each are identical.

 * If $$\sqrt[3]{R - \sqrt{R^2+S^3}} = - \frac S {\sqrt[3]{R + \sqrt{R^2+S^3}}}$$

Starting with:

 * $$- \frac S {\sqrt[3]{R + \sqrt{R^2+S^3}}}$$

Multiply by a unit fraction:

 * $$- \frac S {\sqrt[3]{R + \sqrt{R^2+S^3}}} \cdot \frac{\sqrt[3]{R - \sqrt{R^2+S^3}}}{\sqrt[3]{R - \sqrt{R^2+S^3}}}$$

Carry through the sum and difference product in the denominators:

 * $$\frac {-S \sqrt[3]{R - \sqrt{R^2+S^3}}}{\sqrt[3]{R^2 - (R^2 + S^3)}}$$

Add like terms in the denominator:

 * $$\frac {-S \sqrt[3]{R - \sqrt{R^2+S^3}}}{\sqrt[3]{-S^3}}$$

Finally cancel like factors in the numerator and the demoninator:

 * $$\sqrt[3]{R - \sqrt{R^2+S^3}}$$

So the two methods yield the identical results.

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