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Edward Bird

Edward Bird (1772 – 2 November 1819) was an English genre painter who spent most of his working life in Bristol, where the Bristol School of artists formed around him. He enjoyed a few years of popularity in London, where he challenged the dominance of Sir David Wilkie in the genre painting field, before moving on to history painting, specialising in battle scenes.

Early years
Bird was born in Wolverhampton, the son of a carpenter. He received no formal artistic training, but developed his skills through apprenticeship as a japanning artist painting tea trays. In 1794 he moved to Bristol, where he married Martha Dodrell and pursued a career in artistic commissions: portraiture, book illustrations, and church painting.

Bristol School
At Bristol, Bird became the centre of an informal group which included other artists such as Edward Villiers Rippingille and Nathan Cooper Branwhite, and which developed into the Bristol School. Initially amateur artists dominated the group, and Bird's closest friends included the amateurs John King, who was also Bird's doctor, and George Cumberland. Cumberland, who moved to Bristol in 1807, became godfather to Bird's son. He had a large art collection from which he would lend items for Bird to study.

The group conducted evening sketching meetings and sketching excursions to scenic locations around Bristol. Landscape with Cottage was probably painted on one of these trips. However, Bird painted landscapes relatively infrequently and he would often accompany the excursions without joining in the sketching. Bird's greatest influence on the Bristol artists was in the naturalistic style and fresh colours of his genre painting, especially so in the case of Rippingille, who worked closely with him. In 1814 they both exhibited works at the Royal Academy with the same subject, The Cheat Detected. Francis Danby, who moved to Bristol from Ireland in 1813 and was to succeed Bird as a leader of the Bristol School, was also influenced by Bird's genre style.

Success
In 1809, he exhibited at the Royal Academy Good News, a genre portrait of an old soldier. Placed next to Wilkie's The Cut Finger, it attracted attention, and Bird's popularity grew when the Prince Regent bought his The Country Choristers and commissioned Blind Man's Buff. His works also include the Field of Chevy Chase and the Day after the Battle, which was pronounced his masterpiece.

Bird was elected an associate of the Royal Academy in 1812, was appointed historical painter to Princess Charlotte in 1813, and elected a full member in 1815.

Plagued by ill-health for over five years and unable to paint in the last year of his life, Bird died on 2 November 1819. He was buried in Bristol Cathedral. The following year a successful retrospective exhibition of his work was shown at the Bristol Fire Office, for the benefit of his family. His son George later became a midshipman, his equipment paid for by the subscriptions of Bird's friends. His daughter Martha became a Bristol watercolourist, and the younger daughter Harriet a governess.

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User talk:Ianilize

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Yi Eonjeok

Yi Eon-jeok (25 November 1491 – 23 November 1553), sometimes known by his art name Hoejae, was a Korean philosopher and politician during the Joseon dynasty. He was a public official and intellectual of the middle era of the Joseon period of Korea. He was born and died in Gyeongju, then the capital of Gyeongsang province. Like most intellectuals from Gyeongsang in this period, he was a member of the Sarim faction. He contributed to the polarity-nonpolarity (mugeuk-taegeuk) debate in classical Korean Confucianism.

A scion of the Yeoju Yi clan, he passed the literary section of the gwageo in 1514 and entered government service. He was twice expelled from service and then re-hired due to factional strife. He was exiled after Fourth Literati Purge of 1545. He spent the intervening periods teaching on Jaok Mountain in Gyeongju. After his death, the Oksan Seowon was erected on Jaok Mountain to venerate his memory. It still stands today in Angang-eup, Gyeongju City, North Gyeongsang, South Korea.

It was excoriated in Uijeongbu YeonguI Pavilion in 1568 and was established in Jongmyo Shrine in 1569 (King Seonjo 2), and was engaged in Mungmyeong in 1610 (Gwanghagun 2). In addition, the ancestral tablets were enshrined in 17 Seowon schools across the country, including Oksan Seowon in Gyeongju. Yi's main work is titled " Yi Eon-jeong's Old Baseon", and is designated as Treasure No. 586. Other writings are kept at Dok-rak and Oksan Seowon.

Through his adoptive son, Yi eventually became the maternal adoptive great-great-great-great-grandfather of Queen Inhyeon, the second wife of King Sukjong.

Family

 * Father
 * Yi Beon (1463 – February 1500)
 * Mother
 * Lady Son of the Gyeongju Son clan (1469 – June 1548)
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 * Older sister - Lady Yi of the Yeoju Yi clan (1486 – ?)
 * Younger brother - Yi Eon-gwal (10 February 1494 – 14 January 1553)
 * Younger sister - Lady Yi of the Yeoju Yi clan (1496 – ?)
 * Wife
 * Lady Park of the Hamyang Park clan (1493 – ?); daughter of Park Sung-bu (박숭부, 朴崇阜; 1476-?)
 * Issue
 * Adoptive son - Yi Eung-in (1535–1593); son of Yi Tong and Lady Yi
 * Concubine and issue
 * Lady Seok of the Yangju Seok clan (1495 – ?); daughter of Seok Gwi-dong
 * Son - Yi Jeon-in (1516–1568)

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Southern Mallee District Council

The Southern Mallee District Council is a local government area in the Murray and Mallee region of South Australia. The council offices are in Pinnaroo and Lameroo. It was established on 23 January 1997 when the District Council of Lameroo and District Council of Pinnaroo agreed to merge. Their predecessors date from 1908.

The largest towns are Lameroo and Pinnaroo; the council also includes the localities of Geranium, Karte, Parilla and Parrakie, and parts of Jabuk and Ngarkat.

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Avenue de Champagne

L'Avenue de Champagne (The Champagne Avenue) is a famous street located in Épernay, the 'Capital of champagne', in the Grand Est Région of France.

Its name derives from the presence of many leading champagne producers such as Moët et Chandon, Mercier and De Castellane. Located on a major historical trade route between France and Germany, the avenue attracted champagne merchants as early as the 18th century.

Residents say that this avenue is the most expensive in the world, more so than the Champs-Élysées in Paris, because of the millions of bottles of champagne stored in the kilometres of chalk cellars beneath it. The cellars and the above-ground part of the avenue were both inscribed on the UNESCO World Heritage List in 2015 (as part of the Champagne hillsides, houses and cellars site) for its testimony to the history of champagne, its development and sale, and the advent of a unique and preeminent agro-industrial system. The avenue also house a research center and Fort Chabrol that was founded to study and mitigate the effects of Grape phylloxera on the quality and production of champagne.

It has become a tourist attraction for Épernay and the Région; the biggest champagne producers organise visits to show how the drink is produced and stored.

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1) Complaint is regarding and his editing and interactions regarding Iglesia ni Cristo and related articles. The complaint was made by, ,  and .  complains regarding Onlytofind. See also Requests for comment/Emico.

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1.1) Iglesia ni Cristo is a Philippines based church which has strong advocates both pro and con. The Wikipedia editors on the talk page sometimes discuss internet forums which they are familiar with and seem to have participated in, see http://www.network54.com/Forum/70213 http://www.network54.com/Forum/84590 and the now deleted http://www.network54.com/Forum/70210 There is also reference to The Bereans, a Phillipines based anti-cult website which considers Iglesia ni Cristo to be a cult . See edit by Emico . The Bereans Iglesia ni Cristo forum, particularly this tread.

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2) complains of the following edits by :  which seems unexeptional except for the snide editorial comment, "Wonder why this guy is suddenly nice? Could it be my Berean article?."  which seems to accuse  of being a member of a Berean sect in the Phillipines. The next edit  is a restoration to Bereans of material reverted by Emico with this edit . Emico quiries Lbmixpro about his restoration emphasizing the trinity, see also  where belief by protestants in the trinity is emphasized. Emico complains of tag-team reverting, while making a mild personal attack. Lbmixpro responds, citing Get over yourself. defending tag team reverting. Emico continues to complain about tag team reverting. Lbmixpro brushes him off. Lbmixpro defends himself and threatens Emico with an Arbitration proceeding. Lbmixpro tries to explain himself. Emico then makes a very aggressive edit at Talk:Bereans. Emico in a post betraying emotional upset again raises the sockpuppet hypothesis. Emico charges collusion. Lxmixpro expresses his grievances and continues to threaten arbitration. Emico admits an unintentional error. Lxmixpro explains his intentions on Talk:Iglesia ni Cristo. Emico defiant. Emico expresses disgust and fear.

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3) By , ,. By , ,. By.

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 * - "...but I rarely reply to post by juveniles, I think it's a waste of my valuable time."
 * - "I think it would help if you admit you're a berean."
 * - "3 losers and a juvenile conspiring and ganging up on me, making threats left and right. did you notice though, that's about all they do."
 * - "Those know-it-alls"
 * - "The big cry baby is at it again."
 * - "The clique is now severely disabled. It's death will soon follow."
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4) focuses in his edits and talk on belief in the Trinity . Apparently belief in the Trinity is seen as a weak point in the beliefs of the Bereans who while focusing on bible-based beliefs continue, as most protestants do, to hold to the doctrine of the Trinity, which is arguably not based on Biblical text.

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5) Bereans was created on February 12, 2005 by, as created it treated only of the apologetics ministry in the Philippines.  was one of the early editors, focusing on the Ministries representations regarding Iglesia ni Christo  . On May 18, 2005  blanked the page without comment , replacing it with the material in the original article created by 203.76.196.236 . Emico restores his personal research .  reverts. Emico revises and restores. reverts. DJ Clayworth adds information about the ancient Bereans. Emico restores his original research. DJ Clayworth removes short list of groups targeted by the Bereans and replaces it with a general statement. Emico restores specific list. DJ Clayworth reverts. A series of reverts follows, a comment by Emico "Pointing out the lies put out by anonymous website. Mr Clayworth hellbent on propagating a lie." . CJ Clayworth removes Emico's original research and the link to the Bereans website. Emico adds info on Calvinist background [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bereans&diff=next&oldid=14276766. Emico adds contention that Calvinism was Catholic due to acceptance of the Trinity. More on the Trinity. removes references to Trinity and places the diverse items into context. Emico restores his original research and wrecks Raygirvan's improvements. Emico adds historical material. Raygirvan restores, but removes historical material added by Emico. Raygirvan adds material about use of "Berean" to represent reliance on scriptural authority. Emico restores but wrecks the contributions of others. Raygirvan makes a useful explanitory edit.

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Acts 17:11
5.1) The Bereans are mentioned in the New Testament in Acts 17:11, "Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true." Thus the use of "Berean" means to place emphasis on scripture as authority. This makes comprehensible Emico's emphasis on the Trinity which is poorly supported by explicit scriptural authority.

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Iglesia ni Cristo
6) Another focus of controversy is Iglesia ni Cristo, first created by on August 4, 2003 .  Many edits follow, most by anonymous editors. The first edit by the parties in this matter was on January 2, 3005 by   placing an NPOV template on the article and making the first edit on the talk page of the article . After some back and forth between anonymous editors Lbmixpro removes the NPOV template, After a few more edits  makes an aggressive edit adding critical material and external links with the comment "revert to restablish NPOV" . On March 1, 2005  made a series of edits removing negative information about the church with the comment "The previous articles had many INCORRECT information & many errors about our religion and our religion is NOT A CULT." . Deleted material was restored by. On March 21, 2005 restored the NPOV template  with this comment on the talk page. Lbmixpro replaced it with a bias template with this talk page comment. Lpmixpro then replaced the bias template with the attention template with a comment on the talk page. Meanwhile according to the talk page deleted a great deal of arguably biased material, signing his name "Glenn Cessor"  then created. and Lpmixpro make a series of useful edits. On March 27, 2005 makes his first edits. Ealva then reverted one of Onlytofind's edits with the comment "Removed donation bias." . Glenn Cessor is denounced by as a "member and deacon in the Iglesia Ni Cristo". Onlytofind identifies himself as a former member, pledging adherence to NPOV. Ealva responds. Onlytofind responds. Ealva responds back. Glenn Cessor responds. Response by Onlytofind. Lpmixpro identifies himself as a "former indoctee". Apologetics by Glenn Cessor. Onlytofind responds. Onlytofind throws some mud and defends his edit. Lpmixpro asks a question about Jesus. queries regarding sources. Ealva responds to attack on "blind faith". Onlytofind argues. Soft words from Ealva. Soft words from Onlytofind. Onlytofind supplies links and attacks E.lantaran. responds. Onlytofind attacks ; E.lataran responds. Ealva expresses sympathy. Onlytofind again attacks E.lataran. Onlytofind apologizes with soft words, but excludes E.lataran. Lpmixpro suggests a forum. E.Lateran again requests sources for the information in the article. Lpmixpro admits most information in the article is derived from personal experience. notes improvement in article and seconds "this is not a forum". questions fairness of Iglesia ni Cristo. Lpmixpro comments on difficulties of finding neutral sources for a polarized subject. Onlytofind notes church's discouragement of internet postings by church members. Ealva clarifies. (gcessor) again complains about balance. Onlytofind responds. comments on restoration of Catholic "con" site. Onlytofind threatens gcessor with Arbitration. Seeking authority. Onlytofind throws down the gauntlet.

Emico enters, apparently gcessor, makes his first edit responding to onlytofind's attacks. Lpmixpro starts poll on "con" links. Onlytofind links INC to Arius ; Emico reverts with the comment "Your personal opinion do not belong here". makes his first minor edit. Emico removed detailed information with the comment "Much better. non POV". deletes link to Harper article, and Category New religions. Restored, anon removes it again. Restored, Emico removes it repeatedly. Raygirvan removes another "con" link to make room for Harper article. restores. Emico deletes. Emico tries to discredit a critic. Emico insists on a POV {http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Iglesia_ni_Cristo&diff=next&oldid=15400690]. Emico removes information with the comment "Removed POV". Emico adds template based on his lack of time. Reverted, added it again repeatedly. Gcessor responds to attack by Onlytofind. 71.32.86.239 strikes through personal attack. 71.32.86.239 requests an explanation. Onlytofind threatens Emico with banning  (combined with personal attack). requests an end to the personal attacks. 71.32.86.239 (gcessor) recounts past grievances and counterattacks. Onlytofind takes thought  and promises respect. Gcessor cools down a bit. Onlytofind promises. Onlytofind requests help with Felix Manalo, Erano Manalo and Eduardo Manalo, denouncing Emico. Emico charges collusion between Onlytofind and Lpmixpro. Emico points out lack of sourcing. Onlytofind pop-poos Emico the expresses his love. Emico points out that both are critics. Lbmixpro queries regarding verifiability and whether it applies. Emico expresses the churches defensive position. Lbmixpro sympathizes. Query to Emico about Emico Lantaran. Emico makes his point, the information in the article is not "authorized" by the church. Onlytofind responds as does Raygirvan. Emico sees the light, but finds it dark. The pot Emico notes that Onlytofind is very black kettle. Gcessor gives his excuse for deleting information. Gcessor strongly justifies removal of information. Gcessor describes POV editing as his duty. Onlytofind raises some points.
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6.1) There are limited references available regarding Iglesia ni Cristo. An Amazon search for the subject yields 5 hits, but all are out of print. A subject search on ABE yields 5 hits in Spanish and Studies in Philippine church history ISBN 0801404851. There is some information on the internet, for example http://goasia.about.com/od/philippines/a/INC.htm but most Google hits treat Iglesia ni Cristo as a cult. The church itself has no internet presence . The result is that most positive information in Iglesia ni Cristo is material from either sympathetic or hostile former church members; current church members are advised to address inquiries to the church ., who appears to be connected with the church, added information on contacting Iglesia ni Cristo. See also http://www.apts.edu/jam/01-1/a-harper.pdf http://www.inc.org.ph and http://www.iglesianicristo.us/ (The last seems to be a spoof site, see http://www.iglesianicristo.us/bigfour.html ) http://www.taestensen.com/robert/fft_doc/2f_main.htm http://jesus-messiah.com/html/ross-tipon.html http://student631.tripod.com/biblestudentspage/ http://www.xanga.com/groups/group.aspx?id=11421 http://128.32.250.15:8080/pepesblog/2005/02/21

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shahara Islam

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep (no consensus), could probably be merged with the article on the terrorist attacks. I will leave that discussion to the talkpage. Sjakkalle (Check!)  08:50, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Shahara Islam
Sad as this is, Wikipedia is not a memorial. I cannot find any verifying of the claims of "poster girl"; sad as her death is, it's not encyclopedic. smoddy 15:17, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. I will provide provided citations from UK and International newspapers about the "poster girl" status --Zappaz 15:20, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. A Google search for "shahara islam" provides 15,800 results . She's notable. ulayiti 15:23, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * This is because she was mentioned on the news... it is now down to 13,700 in the 7 hours since you posted this, and I'd guess it will go down far lower during the next week...Phantomsteve 22:24, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Like it or not, Phantomsteve, she is not just a victim of terrorism. Being a devout Muslim in Britain, murdered by fanatics in the name of Islam, when her last name is Islam, makes her a powerful symbol that will not degrade with time. That is why the article needs to be kept. (btw, the google count is still 15,800) --Zappaz 00:39, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, certainly notable james gibbon  16:16, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep for reasons already stated. AdorableRuffian 17:01, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete not notable. Dunc|☺ 18:38, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge with 7 July 2005 London bombings article, showing a listing of all the victims? The 9/11 article doesn't list the victims, but does link to CNN's list of victims - perhaps something similar for the London Bombings?Phantomsteve 21:36, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge/delete. Not memorial. Pavel Vozenilek 22:15, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete wikipedia is not a memorial. JamesBurns 03:11, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as above. Somebody start the wikimorial already - Skysmith 09:39, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Deaths related to terrorism are tragic, but they are unfortunately far from unique enough to document each one individually.  People rarely become notable because of the manner of their death, and as tragic as this event is, the individual casualties of mankind's conflicts barely even register as a footnote in history.  Wikipedia is not a memorial. Indrian 15:46, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
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Talk:Terri Schiavo case/Mediation/summaries

NCdave's contributions belong here too:
Dave's submission, here is longer than 500-words, but additional points of others, where available were added above. These additional points are important or else the writers would not have purposely written more AFTER their 500-words was done.

FuelWagon 500 word summary
I think the article is pretty good as it is. There are no major disputable changes that I would suggest we make to it. (I recomend polish and some restructuring, but I don't think those suggested changes are disputed) I'm now taking the approach that the only thing to mediate is changes rather than my philosophy of a good article. and since I don't have any major changes, my 500 word essay can be removed. We can instead focus on the changes that NCdave, Gordon, etc, wish to insert into the article and mediate those. FuelWagon 7 July 2005 15:22 (UTC)

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At the Crying Witch diff.

Ann Heneghan 500-word summary
One problem is the idea that a court ruling (unless overturned by a higher court) become a fact, and is therefore automatically neutral. This seems to be contrary to Wikipedia practice elsewhere. For example, the article on Anne Boleyn does not say that she was guilty of witchcraft and adultery. Even though no court ever overturned the verdict, Wikipedia says that most historians believe the charges were false. Wikipedia does not say that Edmund Campion was a traitor. It says that Louise Woodward, Roy Whiting, etc. were “found guilty of” killing, not that “they killed”. It does say that Ted Bundy killed, but he did plead guilty.

There is a tendency to endorse Michael Schiavo’s version of events when presenting it. For example, in “Initial Medical Crisis”, we have, “The noise awoke Michael Schiavo, and he immediately called his wife's parents and 911 emergency services.” There were no witnesses – we don’t know if Michael’s version is true. Isn’t Jeb Bush trying to investigate a delay in calling 911? I’m not personally an advocate of the Michael-strangled-Terri position, but it was suggested by her family and at least one doctor, and we simply should not present his account as if it is a verified fact.

The opening section no longer says that she was PVS, but simply that she was diagnosed as PVS. Good. As stated in my first paragraph, Wikipedia doesn’t have a policy elsewhere of saying that something is so just because the courts said it was so – especially something controversial and disputed. However, in the “Initial Medical Crisis” section, it says, “and eventually resulted in a persistent vegetative state (PVS)”.

The article used to endorse Michael’s version by stating that he studied nursing because he wanted to learn how to take care of Terri. I deleted this motive, because we had only his word for it. It was reinserted on the grounds that the source had been found – a transcript of Michael’s testimony in the malpractice suit. Patsw agreed with me that that verified only that he said that, not that it really was his reason. Another user, following my complaints, changed it to “because, as he testified. . . I want to learn. . .” I pointed out on the user talkpage that this was still supporting Michael. (Think of the difference between “John said it was a nice day”, and “As John said, it was a nice day.” The speaker is endorsing John’s statement the second time, but not the first.)  The article still endorses Michael’s testimony with “as he testified”. That needs to be changed.

I’ve commented elsewhere on the abuse that takes place on talk pages. I believe also that we’re spending too much time (and space) arguing about whether Michael or the Schindlers were right. I’m guilty of that myself sometimes, but I think it’s not what those pages are for. Each party’s version should be clearly labelled as such. Whether or not we believe any version is entirely irrelevant. (499 words) Ann Heneghan 01:24, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Gordon Wayne Watts' 500-word summary
''Sorry I'm so slow to respond; the challenge to get every issue addressed within 500 words (even avoiding behavioral problems, which may need 500 more words —later) is a daunting task. I'm currently analyzing both the article and ALL other concerns by fellow editors and should be on task here shortly.-- G ordon W atts D ot C om 03:27, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)''

''UPDATE: I am still analyzing the raw data (mainly the article itself), and having to take breaks -because there is so much of it. Please be patient, because the main article is not as neutral as I once thought: There are so many factual errors and POV omissions that I'm in meltdown from the overload. With the help of my Higher Deity, I hope to be finished soon.-- G ordon W atts D ot C om 06:37, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)''

(Quoting Uncle Ed) "...please write a summary (less than 500 words, I will be counting ;-) of what you think needs to be improved in the Terri Schiavo article." OK: Here goes:-- G ordon W atts D ot C om 00:09, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * (Word count ticker of my piece below, focusing mainly on POV omissions: 500 words used out of 500 permitted; notes: I remove the invisible links before asking word counter for a figure because they are pasted -even after a "text only" copy and paste!)
 * Article mentions motion "...to Provide Terri with Food and Water by Natural Means," and Greer denial but OMITS main dispute opponents had with Greer's decision, namely that it violated felony law, arguably the most important dispute regarding Greer EVER!
 * Article mentions Terri_Schiavo by family but OMITS 744.3215(1)(i), the most relevant "rehabilitation" law, and MAIN dispute ALL opponents had with Greer's denial of rehab.
 * Article NOWHERE mentions when (or why?) handicapped Terri was put in hospice, nor does it mention critics repeatedly disputed as a violation of 400.6095(2), state law, which restricts hospice admission to patients with "diagnosis and prognosis of terminal illness." Since State Law (765.101(17)), doesn't define specifically, it would be POV to omit the federal law, TITLE 42 USC 418.22, which DOES define terminal (as "prognosis is for a life expectancy of 6 months or less if the terminal illness runs its normal course"). (Reasonable persons would want to know why crippled people are placed in hospice, and if it's against any laws.)
 * Intro "sparked a fierce debate over..." OMITS "Euthanasia," which (according to Google.com), was MOST fiercely debated regarding Schiavo of all terms listed. Also state law regarding Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide found NOWHERE in article!!
 * NOWHERE does article mention that Terri's parents tried to get a "trial by jury" in RECENT state AND federal cases for Terri. This is the most protected right of all: See e.g., Pages 18&19 for laws that should be cited to support Schindlers' claims.
 * Schindlers have questioned why Michael delayed litigating about Terri's alleged wishes and the legal reason preventing him from doing so. Article omits BOTH: Res Judicata prevents from litigating Terri's wishes because he had a chance during Medical Malpractice trial and didn't.
 * Article DOESN'T mention that “cerebral cortex missing” claims by Felos and Cranford were DISPROVEN!! by autopsy.
 * Autopsy states on page 17 that "persistent vegetative state and minimally conscious state are clinical diagnoses, not pathologic ones," and report doesn't rule out either, but this isn't stated in article!
 * Only ONE doctor was actually "court-appointed," not three: Factual inaccuracy.
 * Article mentions videos, but NOWHERE has links for them.
 * Dr. Wolfson recommended both "swallowing tests and swallowing therapy", but article DOESN'T mention this -and conveniently omits that "swallowing studies" were only conducted "ten years ago," not recently.
 * Article omits that Dr. Peter Bambakidis (the only "court-appointed" doctor) didn't say that Terri was PVS by “clear and convincing standard,” but merely by “preponderance of the evidence. Alt.Link
 * Factual inaccuracy: Article says Terri Schiavo HAD heart attack. (Thogmartin said she didn't.)
 * Most statements in 1st paragraph of "Initial medical crisis" are presented as facts, but are uncorroborated and should be qualified, "according to Michael Schiavo."
 * If we mention Cheshire is conservative Christian and Drs. Frist & Weldon have political motives, only fair to mention Cranford & Felos are liberal "right to die" activists *AND* that Cranford misdiagnosed David Mack and that Gambone, was picked by Michael’s attorney, not hospital/court/etc.
 * Add links, MRI/PET-denials, proof of 43% PVS misdiagnosis rate
 * [ http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38255 Article DOESN'T mention Terri lost five teeth!]

Gordon's additional points
At the Crying Wolf diff.

Ghost's summary
The Terri Schiavo case is tragedy. We have a responsibility to presenting a subject which stikes at the core of what it means to be human. Its reach into the subjects of life, death, privacy and marital rights is far reaching. Currently, the article is on the verge of being among the best. It has been pointed to as the most balanced, detailed, compassionate independant reference on the subject availible. We all acknowledge it can be better.

What is needed is a measuring stick. One that all can refer to and say, "...this does/doesn't belong." One we can reach about 80% agreement on. If we ever reach full agreement, we're ignoring someone else's POV. We should build on what we agree on: This is far from complete, but it's a start. An it harm none, do what thou wilt.--ghost 21:15, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Terri was a person. The events surrounding her were tragic.  Her's is the one POV that we won't know in this lifetime.
 * 2) The article's purpose is the educate and inform the reader(s). Not support or undermine any indiviual or group, with the possible exception of Mrs. Schiavo.
 * 3) The events surrounding Mrs. Schiavo have the potential to impact all our lives, and the reader should be informed as much.
 * 4) Extensive use of rhetoric and code words to manipulate public opinion. This is neither good or bad.  It simply is.
 * 5) The courts, while fallible, have a reliably documentable POV that must be presented.
 * 6) Doctors have a POV, and are as fallible and manipulable as the courts.
 * 7) Other POVs are less easily documentable and, unless confirmed by 2 other reliable sources, should be considered hearsay.
 * 8) Blogs are inherently POV. While providing vast material, they should not be considered reliable and viewed with skepticism because of that POV.  Blog links should be avoided as they convey POV.
 * 9) Parts of the article that fail to engage the average reader undermine #2. If we can, say it in two sentences + a link, instead of 3 paragraphs, do it.  Our goal is neutrality and depth in <36kb.
 * 10) Tone matters (see NPOV). This may come second to fact, but the reader(s) should not be sandbagged into any POV, even if those "facts" seem inevitable to us.
 * 11) Terri's relatives may read this (and probably will) at some point. A compassionate tone to both sides is appropriate.
 * 12) The article will never be perfect. Nor should it.  Such is the strength of open source.  There's always someone else who can make it better than us.
 * 13) Editors that are negative should be viewed as trying to improve the article. Abuse should be avoided, understanding that this is an emotional subject and people will express themselves in strong terms, so we must all have thick skins.  But those that demonstrate that they have nothing to contribute over time should be recognized, and dealt with accordingly.

Duckecho quacks
In the normal process of writing an article, one searches out background information and then drafts a narrative. With a committee-like environment such as wikipedia, the process is repeated—sometimes frequently—and becomes further and further refined. However, not every word has (or needs to have) a cite to prove its value to the narrative. As an example, the Ted Bundy article in the first paragraph below the introduction asserts at least three things that are not supported by any sort of cite. Not one of those things detracts from the overall story of Ted Bundy.

In an above essay the author cites our article as flawed in that it says, "[t]he noise awoke Michael Schiavo, and he immediately called his wife's parents and 911 emergency services." The essayist then says, "[t[here were no witnesses – we don’t know if Michael’s version is true…" Does it matter to the story of Terri Schiavo whether the utterly unprovable or disprovable above statement in the current article is entirely factual? We are truly trying to separate fly shit crap from pepper when we have gotten down to arguing about things like that.

The Michael-is-evil partisans have a history of tenacity in challenging every statement that even remotely casts anything more than gray hue to an event in the narrative. They don’t mind attempting to put in cat killing theses or innuendo about wedding vows, but they sure are quick to complain that we don’t know what Michael thought.

We have a party who thunders repeatedly that Michael didn’t remember for eight years that Terri had told him her wishes concerning a terminal condition and life prolonging procedures (and would put it in the article if he could get away with it). Why don’t the nitpickers attack that utterly unknowable comment with similar zeal?

There’s too much name calling and too much complaining about name calling while in turn calling names at the same time. There’s too much intransigence—too much entrenched thinking.

At some point everyone who truly wants to contribute to a quality product is going to have to step back from their position and reevaluate the other positions—not just positions of theory of the case, but positions of accuracy and seeing POV. I’ve already done that. Many others have, too.

We asked once for a peer review and got it. The consensus was that the article was about as neutral as it could be. We got outside, unsolicited accolades that went to both accuracy and neutrality. You may not like to hear it, but there are basically three or perhaps four people who are making it necessary to mediate. Outside of our circle, the world thinks we’re doing a good job.

What does the article need? Some polish. There is still some amateurish phrasing. A lot of work is being done on structure which will make it more readable. I have dreams of making the intro a compact, true introduction and not the mini article we've been forced to craft for the nitpickers. Duckecho (Talk) 02:44, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Input from Fox1
Hopefully no one minds me entering my 418 words of text at this point; I have some time constraints, and, quite frankly, I can only stomach spending a fairly small amount of time on this article these days. I originally went to the article to try and help mediate between participants a bit, unofficially, and my meager attempts at that were such a miserable failure that I left Wikipedia for a few months. Now, as then, I have almost Zero personal interest in the issues of the article, my interest was purely as a Wikipedian trying to help the Wiki.

I'll be blunt. This is a fine article, always has been, and has the potential to be a great example of Wiki writing. It will never reach that point, because we are constantly diverted from polishing the article. I believe the only problems with this article are that individuals with highly visible vested interest have turned this article into a warzone. Under the guise of being "inclusionary," this article has been assaulted with an epic flood of... crap. There is, quite obviously, an enormous amount of blogosphere activity on one side of this issue, and most of the article activity has been fighting over adding information that can only be defended as not original research when viewed through goggles of an extremely specific and pervasive tint. I am not an inclusionist, we cannot replicate the entire internet here, and eventually, parties interested in a topic will need to go elsewhere if they wish to continue studying a subject. This is the case with every single topic on Wikipedia. What this article needs is not more of anything, it needs quite a bit less.

Bottom line, this article is destined be a mediocre battleground piece with visibly substandard construction until such time as the editors are allowed to write concise prose in a structured framework that makes sense, instead of each and every sentence being obfuscated by its own weight in weasel words, insinuations, rebuttals to anticipated inferrals, and seven other kinds of unneccesary additions designed for a fictional reader whose first and only exposure to this issue will be this article. It's worth noting that even if this person exists, this article is still not being written for them, but for a highly impressionable mental construct of this fictional individual who, if not sheperded carefully by certain editors, may come away with "the wrong idea" (horrors!). Holy Cthulu, describing conduct on this $*%& is like writing science fiction.

Fox1 6 July 2005 15:40 (UTC)

 * Most constructive comment to date. Thanks. Uncle Ed July 7, 2005 15:01 (UTC)

Meeemories... Light the Corners of My Mind...
I just wanted to thank everyone for the great entertainment that has been Talk:Terri_Schiavo over the past few months. I had an inkling when I first saw video of the protesters in St. Petersburg, to myself I said: "I'll bet you the Wikipedia article for this is a real knockdown drag-out cage match!" ... So I checked it out, Wikipedia did not disappoint, and I've been a rapt spectator ever since.

It is, to me, a testimony to the eternally wonderful enigma that is Wikipedia that so many thousands of kilobytes, hundreds of thousands of keystrokes, thousands of man hours, hundreds of cold pizzas and warm beers, thousands of kilowatt-hours and billions of CPU cycles have been expended to bring us a well-vetted and (hopefully) "short and accurate" reference article on a person who, although beautiful and special in life, I'm sure time will tell will be as important in the grand scheme of history as "that little girl who fell down the well" or perhaps Kato Kaelin.

I'd like to thank NCDave for never giving up the dream, FuelWagon for valorously representing reality, and Gordon Watts for showing up late in the game to keep things interesting, and finally the Academy... "You like me, you really like me!" Music swells

70.146.39.18 05:40, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

 * No problemo, user 70.146...BellSouth.net Inc user in between NetRange:  70.144.0.0 - 70.158.255.255 (ala: http://www.arin.net/whois Lookup) -- better late than never! And, you never give up the dream. "Flash" -- GordonWattsDotCom  13:55, 11 July 2005 (UTC)


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Award of Garden Merit

The Award of Garden Merit (AGM) is a long-established annual award for plants by the British Royal Horticultural Society (RHS). It is based on assessment of the plants' performance under UK growing conditions.

History
The Award of Garden Merit is a mark of quality awarded, since 1922, to garden plants (including trees, vegetables and decorative plants) by the United Kingdom, Royal Horticultural Society (RHS). Awards are made annually after plant trials intended to judge the plants' performance under UK growing conditions. Trials may last for one or more years, depending on the type of plant being analyzed, and may be performed at Royal Horticulture Society Garden in Wisley and other gardens or after observation of plants in specialist collections. Trial reports are made available as booklets and on the website. Awards are reviewed annually in case plants have become unavailable horticulturally, or have been superseded by better cultivars.

Similar awards
The award should not be confused with the Royal Horticulture Society's Award of Merit (AM), given to plants deemed "of great merit for exhibition" i.e. for show, not garden, plants.

Since 1989, France has had similar awards called the Mérites de Courson, but these are drawn from a limited number of plants submitted by nurserymen to juries at the twice-yearly Journées des Plantes de Courson and awards are based solely on the opinions of the jury members as to the plants' likely performance in French gardens, rather than on extensive trials.

All-America Selections is an independent non-profit organization that tests new, never-before-sold varieties for the home gardener.

Plants of Merit are plants selected for their outstanding quality and dependable performance for the lower Midwest United States.

Reviews
The Award of Garden Merit was reviewed in 1992, to increase its usefulness and prestige. Field trial results gained weight in the assessments and existing AGM plants were reviewed in the light of more recent experience. The AGMs were to be reviewed at 10 year intervals from 1992, but this frequency has been increased to annually. The 2012/13 review, with advice from experts such as Royal Horticultural Society's plant committees, specialist societies, Plant Heritage National Collection holders and others, resulted in many changes. Nearly 1,900 plants lost their merit awards and more than 1,400 plants gained awards; the list included 7,073 plants after the review.

Rescission
Plants may be added to the Royal Horticultural Society "Sunset List" for rescission for several reasons, including unavailability to gardeners, better plants becoming available, affliction by pests or diseases, or insufficient uniformity.

Criteria
To qualify for an Award of Garden Merit, a plant
 * must be available horticulturally
 * must be of outstanding excellence for garden decoration or use
 * must be of good constitution
 * must not require highly specialist growing conditions or care
 * must not be particularly susceptible to any pest or disease
 * must not be subject to an unreasonable degree of reversion.

The "Award of Garden Merit" symbol represents a cup-shaped trophy with handles. It is cited together with a hardiness rating as follows:
 * H1 Requires a heated glasshouse
 * H1a Warmer than 15°C/59F: tropical plants for indoors and heated greenhouses
 * H1b 10°C/50F to 15°C/59F: subtropical plants for indoors and heated greenhouses
 * H1c 5°C/41F to 10°C/50F: warm temperate plants that can go outdoors in summer
 * H2 1°C/34F to 5°C/41F: plants that need a frost-free greenhouse in winter
 * H3 −5°C/23F to 1°C/34F: hardy outside in some regions or situations, or which - while usually grown outside in summer - need frost protection in winter (e.g. dahlias)
 * H4 −10°C/14F to −5°C/23F: plants hardy outside in most of the UK in an average winter

 * H5 −15°C/5F to −10°C/14F: plants hardy outside in most of the UK in severe winters
 * H6 −20°C/−4F to −15°C/5F: plants hardy outside in the UK and northern Europe
 * H7 Colder than −20°C/−4F: plants hardy outside in the severest European climates

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Charlie Miller

Charles Miller (born 18 March 1976) is a Scottish retired footballer. He started his career at Rangers, and was voted the SPFA Young Player of the Year in 1995 during his time with the club. After spells with English Premier League clubs Leicester City and Watford, Miller joined Dundee United in 2000 where he played for four seasons.

Miller played for Norwegian club SK Brann from 2004 to 2006 and won the Norwegian Cup with the club in 2004. After spells in Belgium and Australia, he returned to Scotland in 2011 when he joined Clyde.

Early life
Miller was born in Glasgow and raised in the Castlemilk district of the city; he was brought up by his mother and has never met his father. He attended Castlemilk High School before leaving early to join the staff at Rangers, having been on a youth contract with the club since the age of 11. He had been introduced to football by his two uncles, one of whom supported Rangers and the other Celtic; Miller has stated that he attended games of both clubs as a child and had no particular affection for either until he started to play regularly for Rangers' affiliated boys club.

Rangers
Miller made his senior debut in 1993 aged just 17, and showed he was talented enough to make an impression in the nine-in-a-row team under Walter Smith, winning three Scottish Premier Division titles between 1995 and 1997 (providing the cross for Brian Laudrup to score the championship-clinching goal in the latter), as well as lifting the Scottish League Cup in 1996 and starting matches in the UEFA Champions League against the likes of Juventus, Borussia Dortmund and Ajax, all by the age of 21. When David Beckham scored his famous goal from the halfway line against Wimbledon on 17 August 1996, he did so in boots custom-made for Miller ("CHARLIE" was embroidered on the boots), which had been given to Beckham by mistake.

However, a lifestyle of parties and an unhealthy diet (with both his old Castlemilk pals and others such as teammate Paul Gascoigne's entourage) accompanied this early success, even after he made attempts to start afresh by moving with his partner to Rutherglen where their daughter was born in 1994, and his career appeared to be on the wane. In 1996, after playing in an Old Firm match earlier the same day, Miller engaged in a pub brawl after allegedly singing sectarian songs. His accomplice, Jimmy Gardner, was convicted of assault in relation to the incident, while a verdict of not proven was recorded against Miller.

England and Dundee United
Having fallen out of favour at Ibrox with the emerging Barry Ferguson being preferred in midfield, Miller was loaned to Leicester City towards the end of the 1998–99 season (having played enough matches for Rangers to receive a fourth league winner's medal) before joining Watford for £450,000 in October 1999. Watford were relegated in their first FA Premier League season with Miller unable to make an impact, making only 15 league appearances. He played one more League Cup game for the Hornets in the 2000–01 before moving to Dundee United on a free transfer.

Miller enjoyed a successful four-year spell at Tannadice, becoming a firm favourite with the fans and making his international debut, but also losing two cup semi-finals to Celtic (2000–01 Scottish Cup and 2002–03 Scottish League Cup). Away from the pitch, an existing addiction to sports betting worsened, requiring him to attend Gamblers Anonymous meetings. In May 2004, a contract dispute saw Miller leave the club to join ex-United player Robbie Winters at Norwegian club SK Brann. He made 135 appearances for Dundee United in all competitions, which would be his highest total for a single club during his career.

Brann and Lierse
In Bergen, Miller became one of the supporters' favourite players, due to his technique and passing ability. Despite this, he was in and out of the team, according to manager Mons Ivar Mjelde because of defensive considerations. He had early success with the club in the 2004 Norwegian Football Cup Final, a 4–1 win over Lyn, coming on as a late substitute for Winters who had scored one of the goals. He played regularly in 2005, although the club finished only mid-table, and in 2006 he started off as one of the league's top players, but gradually received some attention off the pitch, apparently provoked by lack of confidence from the manager. He made it clear that he was unhappy as a right midfielder, the position he had played in most of the season, and eventually that he wanted to leave the club. Miller also criticised Mjelde's unusually close ties to his rival for the attacking central midfield spot, Martin Andresen. Miller refused to participate in the silver medal ceremony after the game against Ham-Kam on 29 October, following which he was ignored by the coach, and only played the last minute of Brann's Royal League match against Rosenborg on 7 December 2006, in which he contributed to the winning goal scored by Trond Fredrik Ludvigsen.

During his time at Brann he went on trial at English Championship club Cardiff City, but was not offered a full deal. In early January 2007, Miller began training with Scottish First Division club St Johnstone to top up his fitness during the Norwegian league's winter break. His contract with SK Brann was terminated after an agreement on 31 January.

On 9 February 2007, Miller signed a contract at the Belgian team Lierse S.K. On 20 April, he scored his first goals for Lierse against Germinal Beerschot in their (ultimately unsuccessful) fight to stay in the first division. On 27 June he signed a three-year contract with Lierse but was released less than a year later with the club having failed to gain promotion.

Brisbane Roar
On 31 July 2008, Miller officially signed a two-year deal with Australian A-League club, Brisbane Roar. On 14 September, against Perth Glory, Miller broke the A-League scoring record for the best start to a season by scoring four goals in the Roar's opening four fixtures of the 2008–09 season.

He was diagnosed with a hernia and underwent surgery. Miller returned to the first team on 17 January 2009 as a substitute against Sydney FC coming on late in the game, and made the pass that set up Sergio van Dijk's third goal of the match. On 5 December 2009, Miller's contract with the Roar was terminated by mutual consent in the middle of the 2009–10 season as the club could not guarantee Miller a contract for the 2010–11 season.

Gold Coast United
After leaving the Roar, Miller was linked with a move to Queensland rivals, North Queensland Fury FC and Gold Coast United. On 5 December 2009 he was a guest at a Gold Coast United fixture sparking rumors of a potential move. Miller signed with Gold Coast on a short-term injury replacement contract. While in Australia, he also had to declare himself bankrupt after an electronics business venture ran into difficulty.

Return to Scotland
It was reported on 12 November 2010 that Miller would spend the week training with Scottish Second Division club Ayr United. In February 2011, he signed for Clyde until the end of the season. He was released at the end of the season, after only making 5 appearances. After retiring from professional football, he began operating a youth football academy program in Castlemilk as well as playing in a local amateur team alongside Andy McLaren.

International career
Miller won his sole cap for Scotland in a 1–1 draw with Poland in 2001. Steven Caldwell, Kenny Miller, Barry Nicholson, Gavin Rae, John O'Neil and Andy McLaren (the latter a childhood friend of Miller from Castlemilk) also made their Scotland debuts in the same game. Scotland manager Craig Brown stated that 'Charlie Miller has always been a talented player and now I think his club manager Alex Smith has got the best out of him and this is a new challenge for him'. Brown resigned as Scotland boss later in 2001 after failing to qualify for the 2002 World Cup and Miller was overlooked by Brown's successor Berti Vogts. Scotland captain Barry Ferguson stated that Miller 'should be in the Scotland team', but Vogts did not take his advice.

Career statistics
After 5 December 2009

Rangers

 * Scottish Premier Division: 4
 * 1994–95, 1995–96, 1996–97, 1998–99

 * Scottish League Cup: 1
 * 1996–97

Brann

 * Norwegian Cup: 1
 * 2004

Individual

 * Scottish PFA Young Player of the Year: 1
 * 1995

 * A-League Foreign Player of the Year: 2008–2009

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Do you, by chance, have a source for the info you added about the Advance Wars Dual Strike camo DS that was given away? Kat, Queen of Typos 01:35, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm getting a photo from my friend who has one. Should be able to put it up this evening if needed.

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Wait till the end
Hello, just asking if you would wait till the end of the match before editing the van Persie page. Cheers. --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 14:33, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!
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