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User talk:Whateley23

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Re:Alchemy
'still has nothing to do with alchemy'. Who said alchemy had anything to do with being still ? This is my material to you. If this does not suffice, I might just make you aware of some other materials 'out there'. GLOO for example. Or what about H2GO ? Or what about Compl.Eat ? Now I will ask. What is your position on genius logo or genius loci?

What I am getting at here, is that any material that I make you aware of, is assimilated by your brain chemistry. This is an observable fact. How this process exists in reason is yet to be decided by researchers of the brain. So, you have the chemistry of any material, as well as the chemistry of the brain. Everything is chemical, apart from space and light, and even Einstein suggests that these things are chemical. (Photon particle and Aether). See relativity. In order to see and remember materials, it requires chemical material changes in the brain. Even after you stop looking at something, like a word or a box, the chemical change in the brain allows you to store that image. If alchemy is defined as material transmutation, then the brain can be seen as a material transmuter; that is if you respect that materials outside of the brain exist, and that your brain is also made of matter. Alchemy is not a medieval pseudo-science. It just goes to show what you know. Alchemy is the core of most scientific pursuits at current. Nanobots are a very real panacea on the cards at present. Newton ensured this fact by his creation of calculus in partnership with Leibniz. The purpose of calculus was to reach resolutions in alchemical goals. When Seaborg transmuted lead into gold, it was the calculus of nuclear physics that reached this resolution in mathematical function.

So, re-read what I have written ; 'material transmutation' if alchemy is defined in this way. i.e turning the material of something into the material of another thing. This is exactly what the brain does. How it is done, is largely unknown.

Why do you feel the need to commit alchemy to history when it is still VERY much a work in progress and allot of actuarial sciences are still fulfilling the goals of alchemy ? Please be considerate to those who have obviously studied alchemy allot more than you have. Your obviously likely to box alchemy into scientific history, because you are after-all more interested in pagan and Celtic history. Please stick to what you know. Alchemy is not Pagan or Celtic hocus-pocus. It is a very real, and very serious core of science.

Re:Welcome
Hi Whateley23: I'm a part of the welcoming committee, and one of the things we do is watch the Recent Changes list for users who have red talk links; if a user's talk page is redlinked, they haven't received any messages yet, and it's a good indication that they are new and haven't been welcomed yet. I welcome a lot of new users, so I'm sorry to say I don't specifically remember which RC entry I saw, but that's the gist of how I found you. If you have any questions I can help you with, just leave me a message. Welcome to Wikipedia! -- Essjay ·  Talk 18:17, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

My Dear Fellow Whateley,

you ask me whether there was a purpose behind reverting the Mabon link on Celtic polytheism to the neopagan festival (Mabon) instead of the Welsh mythological character (Mabon ap Modron)(Whateley23 00:19, 22 July 2005 (UTC)). I am not aware of such a confusion of links and I am upset that browsers may well confuse the embodiment of young masculine vitality with a festival held in the honour thereof as a result of this apparent overlapping. I trust that I can rely on your handsome self to rectify this oversight. Yours lovingly, GeoffMGleadall 08:40, 22 July 2005 (UTC).

Splendid, my dear boy!GeoffMGleadall 09:06, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Neopaganism
It certainly has been a learning experience for me so far - and NPOVing isn't something you can do alone. It's the sort of thing that happens eventually if you get a big enough group of people with a wide enough range of POVs together. I, after all, have my own perspective on things... So you're welcome to help. *grin* - AdelaMae (talk - contribs) 05:27, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

TDD/Danube
Hi, I've no idea how accurate the idea is but it's pretty widespread - do a search for Tuatha Dé Danaan and Danube. See e.g. Danu on. Dl yo ns 493  Ta lk  14:18, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Lamiae?
Hi Whateley, I see that you added a reference to "Lamiae" (identified with the Morrígan) on Celtic polytheism "due to existing early medieval translations". I'm certainly not disputing this, but I'm extremely curious: what translations are these? QuartierLatin1968 17:13, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Moved From Info Page
My Dear Fellow Whateley, you ask me whether there was a purpose behind reverting the Mabon link on Celtic polytheism to the neopagan festival (Mabon) instead of the Welsh mythological character (Mabon ap Modron)(Whateley23 00:19, 22 July 2005 (UTC)). I am not aware of such a confusion of links and I am upset that browsers may well confuse the embodiment of young masculine vitality with a festival held in the honour thereof as a result of this apparent overlapping. I trust that I can rely on your handsome self to rectify this oversight. Yours lovingly, GeoffMGleadall 08:40, 22 July 2005 (UTC).

Vandalism by User 72.10.124.202 == ==

You posted:
 * == Vandalism by User 72.10.124.202 ==
 * Link to User's Talk Page
 * this user has received a number of warnings about vandalism and being blocked, but has not been blocked to date, yet continues to vandalize articles. what is the procedure for blocking that user? Whateley23 20:55, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * this user has received a number of warnings about vandalism and being blocked, but has not been blocked to date, yet continues to vandalize articles. what is the procedure for blocking that user? Whateley23 20:55, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * this user has received a number of warnings about vandalism and being blocked, but has not been blocked to date, yet continues to vandalize articles. what is the procedure for blocking that user? Whateley23 20:55, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Useful links:

Administrator intervention against vandalism to get administrator attention for obvious and persistent vandals

Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents or reporting and discussing incidents that require the intervention of administrators

--Sean Martin 23:03, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Well, looks like Sean beat me to saying exactly what I was gonna say! Best place to start: WP:AIV -- Richard D. LeCour ( talk / contribs ) 05:34, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

 * You have to warn the user/ip using {subst:bv}} then if the user vandalizes again you report that at Administrator intervention against vandalism but 72.10.124.202 is a shared ip, they will only block it for a few hours and only if vandalism is recent. JRSP 01:59, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

 * I agree with all of the above links. Administrators are the best people to help. Tamajared 16:45, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Vernian Process
In your recent edit on Steampunk: "sadly removing one of the seminal steampunk bands because the article was deleted." Ignoring for now the red link policy, I also thought it was a shame that the band nearly everyone considers the first Steampunk band (Hell I'm interested in the stories not the sub-culture and even I know that ;) ) so I have been pushing to get it back in a form that avoids deletion next time. You can find the sandboxed version here and there is a discussion on the main user talk page. Obviously if we can get it looking solid first it should stand a better chance of surviving the AfD.

PS: Good work stopping the Steampunk entry fom becoming listified - we have explained the poitn a time or two (key examples to help explain points, the list is there for the completists) but it clearly needs policing. (Emperor 13:17, 4 May 2007 (UTC))

Circle Sanctuary article
Hello there, I believe from the talk page at Neopaganism that you are interested in this topic. I've set up a drafting page here which will let us assemble a good-looking, well-referenced article so that we can release it into the mainspace with a chance of surviving. I'm happy to 'host' the page but have no knowledge of Circle Sanctuary myself, so will rely on others with more knowledge for material! Please come and join us if you would like to. Many thanks, Kim Dent-Brown   (Talk to me)  09:38, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Baha'i stuff in Alchemy
Good edit. This was on my to-do list to either delete entirely, or try to figure out some way to fix it. MARussellPESE 02:49, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Deleting Category:Wikipedians who don't own automobiles
The category, Wikipedians who don't own automobiles, in which you are listed, is being considered for deletion. You may share your thoughts on the matter at this category's entry on the User categories for discussion page. --DieWeibeRose 20:36, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

You are being accused of being a Puppet Master by IPSOS
After an edit war with IPSOS he has concluded that you are a sock puppeteer and are in fact me! Requests for checkuser/Case/Emnx. See also Suspected sock puppets/Emnx

He claims you are the :-
 * most likely culprit (real puppetmaster)

You might wish to defend yourself and point out the true nature of this particular editor.

This current sad affair centres on Mandrake Press and there are a few brief details on my discussion page!

Just thought you ought to know.

Perhaps we should trawl through his edits and combine forces. (Unfortunately he edited his talk page and then archived it to permanently remove criticism and prevent access to the pages history, etc.) I guess we would need to go through his contribs history to find evidence of other 'edit wars'? --Emnx 10:20, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Please don't
Please don't post on my talk page again. Thanks. P.S. you haven't an effing clue about exactly what a double-barreled name is and why it is listed the way it is. You are trying to work from sources which you are misinterpreting. A catalog will attempt to assist the ignorant to find what they want even when they don't know what the actual last name is. Doh! IPSOS (talk) 01:34, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

 * coward. deleting any discussion which might be unfavorable to you? and you are wrong about citing. i have no idea why this is such a serious subject for you, either way. Whateley23 02:35, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

A favour?
Would you consider resurrecting an AFD for me. I am not asking you to judge the matter on any other basis than the merits of the article.

The original reason for the nomination was entirely valid — the article clearly does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion.

As a member of good-standing you are able to reopen the discussion (I can't!!!) The closure was procedural and makes no judgement on the notability of the article; it may be renominated without prejudice by a user in good standing!

All I ask is that you judge the Mandrake of Oxford article SOLELY on its merits.

The AFD and all the details for a proposed deletion are on Articles for deletion/Mandrake of Oxford.

You might find a familiar name or two! best wishes ;-)--86.141.97.97 22:38, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

 * thank you for bringing this to my attention, whoever you are. personally, i've become opposed to AfDs and the Notability criterion (for articles) on principle (there's practically-infinite space available on wikipedia, so it could theoretically maintain articles on every person alive or dead, along with every business there ever was, every sport that's ever been played, every game ever designed, et multiple cetera; democracy of information would determine which articles get linked to). if i were to involve myself with this particular issue, unfortunately, it would mean that i was involved just to tweak User:IPSOS. since i really don't care about him, that's not a sufficient inducement. Whateley23 03:53, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Red link in List of martial arts
The list is primarily for navigation purposes many of the readlinks added are to not, or questionably, notable subjects such as single school styles, the easyist way to decide notability for inclusion in the list is: Does it have an article? If so discus the notability there, if not then it's not notable. It has also been used as a spam location where external links have been added to the list in the same format as the articles. Hope that explains why the link was, and has been again, removed. --Nate1481(talk/contribs) 08:27, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Alchemy FAR Review
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Mandrake of Oxford AFD

 * ABUSE OF PROCESS
 * I wish to draw your attention to a serious abuse of process and blatant COI by IPSOS

 * The Mandrake of Oxford article has been marked for deletion for the second time and has also had PROD tags added twice.

 * The situation with Mandrake of Oxford started with an edit-war on Mandrake Press article in which IPSOS featured heavily. Whilst this edit war raged IPSOS worked hard to build up the page of a rival company (the page was started by GlassFET. It should be noted that Mandrake Press and Mandrake of Oxford are competitors.

 * I have just discovered that in a desperate attempt to circumvent the AFD, IPSOS is moving the Mandrake of Oxford material to the Mandrake Press article. This flies in the face of all his previous arguments regarding the Mandrake Press article.

 * Mandrake of Oxford does not belong in an article about Mandrake Press. IPSOS contributed to (and created disambiguation pages) and added distinguish tags linking both articles.--86.131.37.169 01:03, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: IPSOS
Please understand this is NOT to be construed as an attempt to canvas your support, to encourage you to take any action or to become involved in anyway whatsoever.

I just wanted to inform you that your user name is being cited in the following recently created (or modified) articles.

 * Suspected sock puppets/Emnx (3rd)

 * Articles for deletion/Mandrake of Oxford see REQUEST TO ADMIN TO SUSPEND AFD

 * Requests for comment/IPSOS

I would ask that if you do decide to act that you do so completely independently (though you are welcome to leave messages on my talk page).

 * --Arthana 22:34, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Transhuman Space
An article that you have been involved in editing, Transhuman Space, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/. Thank you.--Gavin Collins 08:48, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Celts
Should be up your street, if you want to join in. Q·L·1968 ☿ 23:47, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Cult
following your recent comment at Cult I hope you would be interested in collaborating towards making that page give a better and more neutral presentation of the academic consensus on cults. We will need several editors to be able to balance the POV that the rather pronounced POV that the article currently has.·Maunus· ƛ · 01:05, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Greyhawk
Thank you for your recent help with cleaning up Greyhawk related articles. If you haven't already visited WikiProject Dungeons & Dragons, we have resources that you may be interested in! Thanks again, and happy editing. :) BOZ (talk) 16:52, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Article desperately needs help from fair-minded, intelligent editors
Would you mind taking a look at List of cult and new religious movement researchers and encouraging other fair-minded, intelligent editors you might know to do the same? An editor who may not know much about the topic seems to have taken "ownership" of the article and is ignoring criteria for inclusion that have been in place for years. Admittedly, it is a controversial topic, but it seems obvious that someone actually being a researcher (having both had the requisite training as well as actually conducting at least one research study on the topic) would be required. - Do c  t  orW  02:35, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Paul Vunak
An article that you have been involved in editing, Paul Vunak, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/. Thank you.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. jmcw (talk) 10:07, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Polytheism in Kernewek
Thank you for your interesting message. I will be studying polytheism and I hope that Wikipedia does the subject justice.

There is no word for polytheism in the Gerlyver Meur ("Great Dictionary") but many of these celtic words are simply constructed from elements like in the English poly+the+ism.

Words that begin with poly- in English start with lies- in Cornish. Words that end with -ism in English end with -ieth in Cornish. The word for god is duw. Therefore the Kernewek is probably Liesduwieth, similar to the Brezhoneg Liesdoueadegezh. Coming to think of it, I just tried typing Liesduwieth in Google Search and it came up with several results from Cornish language web pages (albeit as the more older Liesduwyeth spelling).

I don't know what other words you are interested in but paganieth means paganism. One of my favourite pagan words is neves which means sacred grove. Some of these sacred groves still exist in Cornwall and Devon. There's one in Devon near a village called Nemeton.

I wish I knew more about more Cornwall-specific gods but I only know about Penglaz. There are some lovely (but scary) pictures of Penglaz at the Montol celebrations in Penzance.

--ResYwDhymmDybriChoklet (talk) 00:01, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

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Joan Chaworth

Joan Chaworth (died 29 August 1507) was the heiress of the manor of Alfreton. Her father was Sir William Chaworth.

Life
Joan Chaworth was the daughter of Sir William Chaworth (d.1467) and Elizabeth Bowett, daughter and coheir of Nicholas Bowett of Rippingale, Lincolnshire. She was the granddaughter of Sir Thomas Chaworth (d.1459), who had four sons, Sir William Chaworth (d.1467), John Chaworth (d. 1464), Sir Thomas Chaworth (d. May 1465), and George Chaworth (d.1466).

In 1465 Joan's father, Sir William, was described as 'a sickly man', unable even to ride, and died within two years. Joan's only brother, Thomas Chaworth (1457–1483), married Margaret Talbot, daughter of John Talbot, 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury, and sister of John Talbot, 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury, but he suffered a mental illness and died without issue in 1483.

Sir Thomas Chaworth's three younger sons had all also died by that time, and only the fourth son, George, left surviving male issue. John Chaworth was murdered in 1464, leaving an only son, Thomas, who died without issue in December 1485; Sir Thomas Chaworth died without issue in May 1465; and George Chaworth died in 1466, leaving a young grandson, George Chaworth (d.1521), who inherited the manors of Wiverton and Edwalton, and was ancestor of George Chaworth (d.1639), created Viscount Chaworth of Armagh in 1628. With the death of Joan's brother Thomas in 1483, the male Chaworth line was thus all but extinguished, and Joan, as her brother's heir at law, inherited most of the extensive Chaworth estates.

By her marriage to John Ormond (d.1503), Joan had three daughters, among whom any barony of Chaworth which had been created by a writ in 1299 to her ancestor, Thomas de Chaworth (d.1315), is considered to have fallen into abeyance.

Joan died 29 August 1507. In the chancel of the parish church of Alfreton a memorial tablet inlaid with brass plates bears the engraved effigies of Joan and her husband, John Ormond. The arms of Chaworth of Alfreton were Barry of ten, argent and gules, three martlets sable.

Graves Park, Sheffield, part of the Norton estate, was included in the lands of the former manor of Alfreton.

Marriage and issue
Joan Chaworth married, in 1458, John Ormond (d. 5 October 1503), esquire. John Ormond and his two brothers, Sir James Ormond (d. 17 July 1497) and Edward Ormond, were illegitimate sons of John Butler, 6th Earl of Ormond (d. 14 October 1476), by his mistress Reynalda O'Brien, daughter of Turlogh "The Brown" O'Brien, King of Thomond. By John Ormond, Joan had three daughters:

 * Joan Ormond, who married firstly Thomas Dynham, illegitimate son of 'John, the last Lord Dinan', by whom she had several children, and secondly a husband surnamed FitzWilliam.
 * Elizabeth Ormond, who married Anthony Babington, by whom she was the great-grandmother of Anthony Babington, executed for treason during the reign of Elizabeth I.
 * Anne Ormond, who married William Mering of Nottinghamshire, but died without issue.

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No Aphrodisiac

"No Aphrodisiac" is a song by Australian band the Whitlams, released in December 1997 as the second single from their third album, Eternal Nightcap. The song peaked at No. 59 on the Australian Singles Chart. The lead track was written by the band's founding mainstay, Tim Freedman, together with Pinky Beecroft (Matt Ford) and Chit Chat Von Loopin Stab (Glen Dormand): both from the band, Machine Gun Fellatio. It was produced by Freedman with Rob Taylor. "No Aphrodisiac" won Song of the Year at the ARIA Music Awards of 1998. It was listed at No. 1 on the Triple J Hottest 100 for 1997. Former Australian Prime Minister Gough Whitlam, for whom the band was named, announced news of their win on air. One of its B-sides is "Gough". Machine Gun Fellatio provided a re-mix of "No Aphrodisiac" for the remixes version of the single.

Details
"No Aphrodisiac" was written for Freedman's then-girlfriend, who was living in Melbourne, while he was in Sydney. He later recalled, "We were growing apart, not writing to each other so much... Pinky Beecroft and Chit Chat had just played me a demo of theirs, which consisted of very funny personal classifieds, and we used 6 lines of that to finish the song." One of the lyric lines is "truth, beauty and a picture of you", Freedman later explained "their role in the song is just to be comedic. I'm saying 'I miss you but the universe will turn me on in your absence'. Truth of course doesn't exist, and beauty is all."

The single mix version adds more electric guitar and is almost a minute shorter than the album version. This version does not appear on the band's 2008 compilation album, Truth, Beauty and a Picture of You – the title is a line from the lyrics – instead the album version was used, which was also the preferred radio version.

Reception
"No Aphrodisiac" won Song of the Year at the ARIA Music Awards of 1998 and was also nominated for Single of the Year but lost out to Natalie Imbruglia's cover version of "Torn". The track was performed by the band at a ceremony in Sydney before the Millennium. It was also performed live during the closing ceremony of the Sydney 2000 Paralympic Games.

AllMusic's Jonathan Lewis felt it was "a melancholy, piano-driven song about long-distance relationships". According to Bernard Zuel of The Sydney Morning Herald, it was "A ballad about infidelity, or even masturbation – 'there's no aphrodisiac like loneliness' – it became a national love-song request. The single was released independently by Freedman's own label, had no film clip, no commercial radio airplay and no marketing budget."

The Guardian said, "No Aphrodisiac is a demarcation in the Whitlams’ sound: gone were the boyish songs about mates and girls, replaced by melancholic, clever songs about being lonely and drinking too much (and girls). In a neat encapsulation of the band’s shift, Lewis even swapped his double bass for an electric bass halfway through the track."

Track listings
There are four releases of the "No Aphrodisiac" single, one that consists of different mixes of the lead track and three versions which have different bonus tracks as detailed below:

CD-Maxi: BYO-E8 (C) / EAN 9398603201025 (14 December 1997)
 * 1) No Aphrodisiac (single mix) – 3:32
 * 2) Winter Lovin' – 3:22
 * 3) 1995 – 4:44
 * 4) Charlie No.3 – 4:24
 * 5) No Aphrodisiac (edit#1 mix) – 3:28

BYO-E8 "No Aphrodisiac – The Remixes" (1998)
 * 1) No Aphrodisiac (Single mix) – 3:29
 * 2) No Aphrodisiac (Room for your Dog mix) – 5:54
 * 3) No Aphrodisiac (Machine Gun Fellatio mix) – 4:23
 * 4) No Aphrodisiac (Headspace Caisidorpha mix) – 5:25
 * 5) No Aphrodisiac (Album mix) – 4:20

BYO-E8 (A) "No Aphrodisiac" (1998)
 * 1) No Aphrodisiac (single mix) – 3:29
 * 2) Gough – 3:16
 * 3) Met My Match – 3:36
 * 4) Up Against the Wall – 5:28
 * 5) No Aphrodisiac (edit#1 mix) – 3:28

BYO-E8 (B)
 * 1) No Aphrodisiac (single mix) – 3:29
 * 2) Where is She – 4:17
 * 3) I Make Hamburgers – 3:36
 * 4) You Sound Like Louis Burdett – 4:01
 * 5) No Aphrodisiac (edit#1 mix) – 3:28

Awards and nominations

 * rowspan="3" | 1998
 * rowspan="2" | ARIA Music Awards of 1998
 * Song of the Year
 * Won
 * Single of the Year
 * APRA Music Awards of 1998
 * Song of the Year
 * }
 * APRA Music Awards of 1998
 * Song of the Year
 * }
 * }
 * }

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Master electrician

In theatre, the master electrician (or chief electrician in the UK) is responsible for implementing the lighting design for a production drawn up by the lighting designer. This involves overseeing the preparation, hanging, connection and focusing of stage lighting fixtures.

This can be done on a show-by-show basis, or as a resident position of a specific theatre. The tool of the trade of the theatrical master electrician is the adjustable spanner or crescent wrench, used to secure stage lighting instruments from lighting positions in the theatre. This wrench is typically attached to the belt or wrist with a lanyard, which is important because the master electrician tends to work at great height, from ladders, lift tables, catwalks, or lighting trusses, where a falling wrench may hurt people or damage property below.

Duties
The master electrician supervises and is responsible for all other electricians working on any construction or installation project. Only the master electrician can pull the permits with the electrical authority, and they can only be registered with one electrical contracting company at any one time. Other electrical duties performed by any electrician include:
 * Inventory and repair and maintenance of all lighting fixtures, cables, effects, power distribution, dimmers, networking and lighting control consoles.
 * Organisation and purchasing of all consumables including color gel, gobos, Sharpies, and gaffer tape.
 * Planning and implementing of the cabling (circuiting) of lights and electric power distribution.
 * Documenting and tracking of all circuiting, addressing, and system configuration in cooperation with the Lighting Designer.
 * Patching assignments of the control console based on the paperwork generated by the lighting designer and the planned circuiting.
 * Occupational safety and health of workers and operational decisions as the head of the electrics department.

Training, origin, and professional affiliations
Master electricians go through extensive on-site and classroom training, with work in more formal settings such as schools or colleges. The designation "master" is only given to electricians who can display extensive job knowledge and are tested to have an extensive understanding of the electrical safety code.

There are no formal certifications of the "theatrical title, master electrician", as there are in some of the more mainstream trades, but in March 2003 ESTA developed a certification process. Those who pass this rigorous test will become ETCP Certified Entertainment Electricians - and will be recognized as the industry's best. The stagehands union, IATSE, come close in that they offer apprentice and journeyman levels of certification. In the future, IATSE, or some of the larger local affiliations may form a more formal method of certification, which may include the title of master electrician. In the meantime, almost every production, from high school shows to Broadway uses the term to describe their primary electrician, regardless of their skill level or experience.

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User talk:Nroets

Welcome
Welcome! (We can't say that loud/big enough!)

Here are a few links you might find helpful:

 * Be Bold!
 * Don't let grumpy users scare you off.
 * Meet other new users
 * Learn from others
 * Play nice with others
 * Contribute, Contribute, Contribute!
 * Tell us about you

If you have any questions or problems, no matter what they are, leave me a message on my talk page.

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optimal erasure codes with arbitrary parameters
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March 2009
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Bikemap & OSM
Hi, just saw you list and wanted to mention that Bikemap.net also has OSM (and Opencyclemap) support. --Helge (talk) 08:50, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

South African Wikimedia Chapter
Hi there. The idea of setting up a local Wikimedia chapter has been discussed by South African Wikipedians (and those associated with other Wikimedia projects) for some time now, and we want to help turn this dream into a reality. There are currently over 25 chapters established around the world, and several more planned and being discussed, but so far, none in Africa. A South African chapter, should it become a reality, would be a continental first. If you're interested in being involved in the creation of a South African Wikimedia Chapter, could you please [mailto:wikipedia@africancommons.org email me] directly :). Thanks and have a great World Cup Opening day, Kaydee 68 (talk) 07:29, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

South African Wikimedia Chapter update and mailing list
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Scanning photos/pages from a donated Dutch/Afrikaans bundle?
The Wikimedia foundation has received an email from someone in Pretoria, offering to donate a 1912 book with news articles and photos. Would you be interested in accepting it as a volunteer of the foundation, and either scanning it in for Wikisource and Commons, or handing it to someone else who would? Afterwards maybe donating it to a local library? -- Jeandré, 2010-09-29t04:32z

Crime in South Africa
Hi. I saw that you reverted an anonymous IP edit that removed content from the Crime in South Africa article. I was tempted to do this as well, but it seems that the removal was correct. The references provided didn't support the claims being made, so I have removed the material again. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:14, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The reference shows that the murder rate has gone from under 10 per 100,000 to 34 per 100,000. How is it possible for the murder rate to increase that much without a "dramatic increase in crime" ? I've changed the wording slightly to appease you. But instead of just deleting stuff, it would be better if you actually go and look for references. -- Nic Roets (talk) 10:26, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, the murder rate and the overall crime rate are not the same thing. Also, the second reference did not support the assertion that the crime rate in the rest of the world has fallen over the same period. It just says that the violent crime rate in the US has fallen. I have been looking for references in the meantime, but haven't found anything reliable yet. I did find this, however, which has some interesting material on South African crime statistics and their reliability. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:42, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * This source might be a good one to use. Published in 1997, it points out that crime had been steadily rising since 1980. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:45, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for all your excellent contributions ! I live in South Africa and I know many people who lost a loved one. So a good article place those events into perspective. My guess is that the drop from 60 to 34 murders per 100,000 is not due the government solving the problem, but rather changes to the demographics (e.g. AIDS, urbanization), communities initiatives and individuals avoiding dangerous locations. But guesses can't be included in the article. -- Nic Roets (talk) 21:56, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Brandon Topham

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Speedy deletion nomination of File:Brandon Topham.jpg

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 * The image is credited to Sarah Makoe, not Stan Louw as you claimed. Fences  &  Windows  00:13, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry for uploading the image. This guy (Stan) emailed it to me saying there was no copyright on the photo, asking me to write the article and asking me to call him on his phone. -- Nic Roets (talk) 20:56, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

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Good Riddance to Bad Rubbish
Thank goodness that useless article about the baboon (that is Topham) has been removed. He is a nobody with no political influence or future. (Personal attack removed) if you thought the DA would win in Tshwane. (Personal attack removed) 41.133.140.140 (talk) 16:55, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

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John Varty
Dear User, -- LesnarMMA (talk) Cheers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LesnarMMA (talk • contribs) 03:21, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

 * I responded at Talk:John Varty -- Nic Roets (talk) 00:29, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Bengal Tiger
What you are doing at the Bengal Tiger page is not valid. Just because the first few sentences is not accurate, it doesn't give you the right to remove the entire article. Please do take note that there are still many strong information, and points in the subsection itself. There is no need to purge everything, and replace them with 2 sentences. This is not how wikipedia works. Please take a look at what you are doing. I know you don't like what you read, but you cannot just remove the whole chunk of it. Wikipedia is about editing, stop creating such wars. Give me some time, 2 weeks or something, i will edit the subsection accordingly, clean it up, shortern it. But not remove it completely, if it was a 2 sentence subsection, we might as well don't have it. So i will edit it, leave this to me. You are just deleting the whole thing because you don't like it. There is something wrong with your intention. Just give me 2 weeks. And stop deleting it. How can anyone edit it, or clean it up if you remove the whole chunk away?

We need a more conducive subsection, i agree with you, so i will edit it, along with other users of wikipedia. Please just do not remove the whole chunk of it. There are still many relevant points, just keep it there for awhile while i edit it with other fellow wikipedia members. What do you gain from removing the whole subsection? 2 weeks is all i ask for.

China's Tiger (talk) 02:32, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Save China's Tigers
Not only on the Bengal Tiger page, the Save China's Tigers page is also the same. Please note that i WAS a volunteer from the SCT, and one of the biggest concern the public have about the project is about how it affects the ecosystem and biodiversity of South Africa. That part of the article should not be removed. I am not siding the other user, but its just that you are really removing the wrong things. To be honest, that section is perhaps the Most important section in the entire SCT article, and you are removing it because you are upset?

Do not remove whole chunks of things. Why are you doing all this? You feel better and eat better making the article shorter and less informative? We can edit it together, supporting each other, have discussions. But you must understand that we need the section to be there to edit it or to update it, or to even correct it. If you remove the entire section, what can we do about it? Wikipedia is not about purging things you don't like. I find it very difficult to communicate with you. I bet you will undo everything again. Why?

China's Tiger (talk) 03:04, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Please look at the various discussion page of Save China's Tigers and Bengal Tiger before doing anymore edits, i have request for some time to edit the various subsections, stop the editing wars, we can end this nicely with some edits. =) Cheers. China's Tiger (talk) 06:23, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Conflict of Interest on NoticeBoard
Dear NRoets, why are you doing this? I came to you, being friendly, explain my reason for reverting your edits and finding good references and sources to support what i am saying and my reverts. While you simply went on to the conflict of interest page on the Noticeboard to report me? I came to your talk page, went to Bengal Tiger's talk page to try and talk things out. But when you cannot reply to my arguments, you simply revert my edits and went on to report me. What kind of user are you? China's Tiger (talk) 11:33, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I want an encyclopedia that is useful because it's trustworthy and a pleasure to read. People don't want to read about the dispute you (SCT) are having with John Varty, esp. not on the Bengal Tiger page. -- Nic Roets (talk) 11:40, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

I want an encyclopedia which tells the truth, which let people knows what the debate is about. People can choose not to believe what is said there, but for you to remove everything is just weird. Look at what i have been doing for the past few days, trying to edit and erase away many poor statments which have not been fully referenced. Look at the Bengal Tiger page now, i am just editing like normal, what conflict of interest is there? I just wanted the truth to stay there, I am no longer part of SCT, i volunteered there 3 years ago as a student studying biology, i also volunteered at Tiger Canyons before. There is no conflict, at least not that i know of, but of course the negative points of each project must be brought up. Wikipedia should never be one sided, and JV's project is filled with flaws, we know it, then why hide it by removing everything? I just want everything to be fine and with good reference. Instead of removing the facts, why not edit it by adding counter-debates? That's what i did on the SCT page, and rewilding page. We can just have other discussions here, why do you have to be this under the notice board? I am urging you to remove your complaint on the noticeboard. We can discuss in other platforms. Is that okay? China's Tiger (talk) 11:51, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

All right, we need a cease-fire here. There is no need to have such a huge debate over cyberspace. I have nothing to gain, but time to lose. You are a good editor, seeing from your past contributions, but recently you are beginning to start becoming a JV fan and removing every information which is even slightly against him. I can remove my complaint of you from the Noticeboard page on "Editing Wars", and i hope you do the same for mine on the "Conflict of Interest" war. We have to come to a consensus. Let the articles stay like this for a while. Both of us try and do something about it, editing, updating etc. Do not remove whole chunk of information. If poorly sourced, just ask for citation. If you find it bias, say it in the talk page and remove that particular line after that, don't remove the entire chunk. We can work together and edit the information accordingly. There is no need for this huge war and complaint on each other. Are you fine with this? We can only agree to disagree, i have no bad feelings against you. China's Tiger (talk) 11:59, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Being 'unfair to Mr Varty' as motivation for removing content
I would like to again contest your motivations for removing Wikipedia material. I emphasise that it is the motivations you are providing that concern me, not necessarily the removal of content itself. I furthermore stress that this is not an isolated incident — this continues my discussion on the Save China's Tigers talk page regarding edits there.

On the Bengal Tiger page, you removed material that included valid criticisms for the Tiger Canyons project. Although I agree that this material need not appear on the Bengal Tiger page (since the "Re-wilding" project subsection aught to remain concise), my concern was that the reason you provided was as follows:

 * "Criticism added already appears verbatim on John Varty. Adding it to a second page is unfair to Mr Varty. [emphasis added]"

I wish to express my concern that Wikipedia is intended as a neutral source of information. Hence, being "unfair" to someone is not a valid reason to remove content. The contents of an article need only be relevant to the article. Again, I emphasise that it is not necessarily the edits themselves that concern me, but the reasons you provide that suggest a lack of neutrality on your part.

--

I furthermore wish to repeat my concerns expressed on the Save China's Tigers talk page regarding your frequent removal of content there. Although removing content that lacks neutrality timeously is sometimes necessary, please consider that editors should avoid using the lack of neutrality as an excuse to delete. It is often preferable on Wikipedia to wait before removing content to give other editors an opportunity to edit and refine that content. Only in extreme or special circumstances should text be removed immediately (e.g. vandalism and articles on living persons).

Thank you for your time.

Dremagon (talk) 21:17, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I think I explained earlier on this page that I want to keep WP 'healthy'. It must be a pleasure to read and a pleasure to edit. If you look at the history of the John Varty article, it clearly has not been a pleasure. From my experience on WP, I came to understand that one way of preventing or defusing an edit war is by keeping the material that contains criticism to a minimum.
 * There are a few specifics about this case that I will share with you offline (I recently read the section on dealing with harassment) -- Nic Roets (talk) 22:16, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

 * I understand that you prefer to maintain the verifiability of pages on Wikipedia. The John Varty page was particularly problematic since it demands verifiability, being an article on a living person — users frequently made edits to the page without maintaining its verifiability. More importantly, users were very reluctant to discuss their edits on the talk page.

 * I do not agree with you on your views of defusing edit wars. I believe that ceasing all edits on the material and discussing it in the talk page, or alternatively moving particularly contentious material to the talk page to be discussed, is a far better solution to averting further conflicts. From my experience, users become upset when their contributions are removed. My criticism of your approach is that it provokes users by repeatedly removing their content. Moving it to the talk page gives them an opportunity to refine it there; or starting a discussion in the talk page (and referring to it in the edit summary) gives users an opportunity to defend their contributions there.

 * As for there being "specifics" about this case, I can only remark on what I have seen myself. Based on my understanding of the conflicts, I see no reason why this dispute cannot be resolved in the talk pages without intervention from the Wikipedia staff. However, let me know if there are special circumstances that you feel I should be aware of and we can discuss them somehow. I am only trying to serve to avert unnecessary conflicts.

 * Dremagon (talk) 00:12, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Dremagon (talk) 00:12, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

 * Well, you are not setting a good example in this regard. On the 24th of July User:Salvio_giuliano (an administrator) denied the speedy deletion of John Varty. Less than an hour later you replaced the article with a redirect to Running Wild. -- Nic Roets (talk) 00:36, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

 * I am glad that you bring this up, since I had a feeling at the time that this edit would receive negative attention. Firstly, you will note that the exception to my aforementioned suggestion is that of articles on living persons. Therefore, any contentious material in an article on a living person must be removed immediately. Naturally, this policy was followed and carried out by Tbhotch, an administrator. Thereafter, the Tigeralert reverted the article back, but with some added content. The article still contained the non-neutral material, however, which is — as stated — not permitted on articles on living persons.

 * Secondly, note that a speedy deletion is quite different to stubbing an article and adding a redirect. The speedy deletion policy applies to articles that lack notability (amongst other unrelated criteria). Since the article was clearly notable (having many news articles and other refs), it failed criteria A7 for speedy deletion. Hence, Salvio giuliano removed the Db-person tag from the page to indicate that it was not a candidate for speedy deletion.

 * Unfortunately, the neutrality and verifiability of the article was still lacking. If you review the talk page on day in question, 24 July, you will notice that I made the suggestion of temporarily relocating the page into userspace to be edited safely until the article could be considered as neutral. (See Suggestion.) This is a common Wikipedia strategy for handling problem pages. The reason for my reverting the edit was simple: the page was changed to the redirect by an administrator since it had received complaints about its lack of neutrality and verifiability. Tigeralert reverted this edit with the lack of neutrality and verifiability in tact. The stubbing of the article was disputed by Tigeralert on more than one occasion: 1 and 2. On both occasions, administrators identified the reason for stubbing the article as being a lack of neutrality and reliable sources.

 * In conclusion, the reason for my edit and the edits the administrators were all motivated by the fact that the article was a biography of a living person and lacked verifiability and neutrality. Wikipedia policy is very strict on the verifiability/neutrality of articles on living persons. On other articles, verifiability/neutrality expectations are not as strict. I hope that this clarifies my actions. Unverifiable and non-neutral material on articles on living persons DOES need immediate removal, and I would never contest otherwise. On other articles, it is up to discretion (unless it is very heavily biased on clearly vandalism, or course). I have only referred to edits on pages that are not on living persons (Save China's Tigers and Bengal tiger). I am always make very careful considerations in any edits I make on Wikipedia. However, I do appreciate your concerns and wish to emphasise that I do not doubt that you are making valuable contributions to Wikipedia. I furthermore appreciate that you are willing to go to such lengths to ensure the integrity of Wikipedia articles and users.

 * Thanks for reading.
 * Dremagon (talk) 02:09, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, you convinced my 99%. Just note that most of the BPL rules and guidelines do not just apply to the biography, but any information about living persons on WP, i.e. in Bengal Tiger. -- Nic Roets (talk) 08:55, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

 * Yes, that is certainly true and I'll keep that in mind. Thanks for your understanding. Cheers and happy editing. [[Image:Smiley.svg|24px|:-)]]
 * Dremagon (talk) 14:19, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

ATKV
Hi Nic,

Thanks for your input on ATKV. I've incorporated some of your ideas:

 * The Witwatersrand Gold Rush of 1886 and Anglo Boer War (1899 – 1902) resulted in an influx of foreigners to the Zuid Afrikaanse Republiek. Because the Boer Republics became British colonies right after the Anglo Boer War, the Afrikaners felt marginalised and stigmatized. You will see that I'm calling "a spade a spade" on the stigmatisation issue (I've also added a reference to that fact). The combination of the above factors caused the Afrikaners to fear erosion of their culture and language. In 1930 Edwin Robert Carney...

 * I already covered urbanization - if you have anything you think I should include please let me know.  "This culminated in the mass urbanisation of unskilled Afrikaners during the great depression years."

 * Regarding: Afrikaans is one of the newest languages, e.g. it only became an official language in 1925 and the first official Afrikaans bible only appeared in 1933.

- I think any person clicking on Afrikaans will be able to find the relevant info.

- The Bible in Afrikaans...  Why should this be included in an article about the ATKV? Did they contribute to the translation or any subsequent translations thereafter?

Then lastly, how did you find out I was writing the article? Were you contacted by the ATKV after I made contact with them?

Kind regards,

Bertus Esterhuysen 12:20, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

GPS tracking
Hi, still interested in this? GPS tracking server seems a good place to list things, perhaps later add some category. GpsGate has its page now. Richiez (talk) 19:30, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

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Sawatdee krap. As you're in Thailand, I am sure the Thailand-related topics notice board will be of interest for you. I hope you'll enlarge the article on Chiang Rai more, right now it more looks more like a list of geographical coordinates of some notable places than like an encyclopedic article. Maybe a few photos would help to make it more beautiful? andy 21:49, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

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Another Place (sculpture)

Another Place is a piece of modern sculpture by British artist Antony Gormley located at Crosby Beach in Merseyside, England. It consists of 100 cast iron figures facing towards the sea. The figures are modelled on the artist's own naked body. The work proved controversial due to the naked statues but has increased tourism to the beach. After being exhibited at two other locations, it was put on display at Crosby on 1 July 2005. After some controversy, Sefton Metropolitan Borough Council decided on 7 March 2007 that the sculptures should be permanently installed at the beach.

Construction and history
The work consists of cast iron figures which face out to sea, spread over a 2 mile stretch of beach between Waterloo and Blundellsands. Each figure is 189 cm tall and weighs around 650 kg. The figures are cast replicas of Gormley's own body. As the tides ebb and flow, the figures are revealed and submerged by the sea, and are subject to corrosion by seawater and colonisation by marine animals. The figures were cast at Hargreaves Foundry in Halifax, West Yorkshire and the Joseph and Jesse Siddons Foundry in West Bromwich by foundryman Derek Alexander.

Public reception

Another Place was first exhibited on the beach of Cuxhaven, Germany, in 1997 followed by Stavanger in Norway and De Panne in Belgium. It was the subject of much controversy in Merseyside, although many people considered the figures to be beautiful pieces of art, and tourism in the local area increased.

Originally, the statues were due to be relocated in November 2007. Those who use the beach for watersports were among the most vocal in their resistance to the figures remaining, citing safety concerns. The coastguard also expressed safety concerns, fearing that tourists could become stuck in soft sand and get cut off by the tide. Conservationists, meanwhile, complained that bird-feeding areas had been compromised by the increased tourist traffic. Art lovers and local businesses, on the other hand, lobbied for the statues to stay. Gormley himself supported the proposal to keep the statues at Crosby Beach, saying the location was "ideal".

In October 2006, the local council refused to give permission for the statues to stay. The company Another Place Ltd was established to campaign for the figures' permanent installation and appealed the council's decision.

In March 2007, permission was granted for Another Place to remain at Crosby Beach permanently. The approved plan provided for 16 statues to be moved from contentious areas and decreased the installation's area from 232 to 195 hectares. The cost of the work was estimated at £194,000, to be paid by Another Place Ltd with funding from sources including The Northern Way and Northwest Development Agency.

In a press release, the Chief Executive of Sefton Metropolitan Borough Council, Graham Haywood, said, "Despite some controversy, this internationally renowned artwork has aroused national and international public and media support ... The Iron Men have placed Crosby and Sefton firmly in the spotlight and the knock-on benefits of this should be felt for years to come."

In 2012, biologists from the University of Liverpool studied the colonisation of the statues by sessile intertidal organisms, such as invasive species of barnacles.

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Grove Park, Atlanta

Grove Park is a northwest Atlanta, inside-the-perimeter neighborhood bounded by:
 * Center Hill on the west
 * Dixie Hills, West Lake, and Hunter Hills on the south
 * Bankhead on the east
 * Almond Park, West Highlands and Rockdale to the north

History
Grove Park was named for Dr. Edwin Wiley Grove, president of the Grove Park Development Company, a pharmaceutical magnate who also built Atkins Park near Virginia-Highland in northeast Atlanta, and many Asheville, North Carolina hotels including the Grove Park Inn. Grove Park was developed in the 1920s and 1930s by various developers, but primarily by the Grove Park Development Company. The community was initially known as Fortified Hills, a name stemming from the Civil War. Grove named the streets for his second wife, Gertrude, his daughter Evelyn (from his first wife, Mary Louisa Moore Grove., and his son, Edwin begat from Gertrude. Other street names are believed to have been inspired by his grandchildren: Matilda, Hortense, Emily, Elizabeth, Francis, Eleanor, Florence, Margaret, and Eugenia. Many of the side streets created in the 1930s, 1940s and 1950s are wide, tree-lined avenues with well-tended frame cottages, brick Tudors and ranches.

Grove Park and Center Hill were both developed during the early part of the 20th century. Prior to 1960 Grove Park and Center Hill were all-white communities. African-Americans began to move into these areas during the 1960s, primarily as an offshoot of growth in the Collier Heights neighborhood. Collier Heights was developed in earnest in the late 1950s and early 1960s as a public-private effort with African Americans handling most of the "hammers and cash." The City of Atlanta published its "Neighborhood Plan for Collier Heights" in 1961. The neighborhood would accommodate 7,000 residents and help solve the shortage of quality homes for African Americans.

Donald Lee Hollowell Parkway, one of the major corridors in Northwest Atlanta, was in its splendor during the 1960s, and the area was stable until the early 1970s when suburban growth began to drain the area's vitality. As a result, many longtime businesses closed and were replaced by low-rent business; and as population decreased the area began to deteriorate. In fact, through the turn of the 21st century, the entire area witnessed a steady decline in population, property conditions and the local economy.

However, conditions in the area have changed over the past few years as the current trend towards in-town living gains popularity. Neighborhoods throughout the City and especially Northwest Atlanta are experiencing a resurgence of development including new infill residential units and subdivisions as well as major renovations. Grove Park and the Donald Lee Hollowell Parkway Corridor are poised to experience some of this resurgence. The Grove Park area has been dramatically affected by the nation's foreclosure crisis. However, real estate investors expect the proposed development plans to spur the neighborhood's revitalization. In 2018, Mark Teixeira and a development team announced plans to build a 70 acre mixed-use development in the neighborhood called Quarry Yards, adjacent to the planned Westside Reservoir Park.

In September 2020 the planned mixed-use development Quarry Yards was sold to a undisclosed buyer. In February 2021, Microsoft President Brad Smith announced at a news conference, with Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms and Gov. Brian Kemp, that the tech company was making a longterm commitment to Atlanta, including the 90-acre campus at Quarry Yards in the Grove Park neighborhood. This Grove Park campus was projected to be the second largest Microsoft campus in the world with over 15,000 employees once fully complete. However Microsoft never broke ground and in February 2023 announced the project is paused indefinitely after eliminating 10,000 jobs, making changes to its hardware portfolio and consolidating leases. Also in February 2023, Microsoft stated the land is not for sell and still planned to start using 25% of the 90 acres for community needs as initially promised. Grove Park's real estate prices and sales significantly increased with the 2021 Microsoft announcement, so the indefinite pause left many Grove Park homeowners concerned about the trajectory of the neighborhood and the future status of the land purchased by Microsoft.

Demographics
The population in 2000 was 6,410. The neighborhood is more than 95% African-American. Median household income in 2009 was $31,073 versus $49,981 for the city of Atlanta as a whole.

Notable residents
Grove Park is the original home of Andre 3000, and the Cleveland Browns Pro-Bowl halfback Jamal Lewis.

Parks
Grove Park falls on the western edge of the BeltLine. On the northeastern boundary of Grove Park is the Westside Park at Bellwood Quarry which is the largest public park in Atlanta. Amenities include tournament-quality baseball fields, a skate park and rink, hiking and mountain biking trails, an amphitheater which takes advantages of skyline views, a dog park, community gardens and many others attractions. Additionally the neighborhood features several small pocket parks and boulevard parks including Edwin Place Park, Matilda Place Park, North and South Evelyn Place Park, and Elinor Place Park. Finally the neighborhood namesake park Grove Park itself.

Grove Park is also home to the Proctor Creek Greenway Trail. The multi-purpose trail strings together more than 400 acres of greenspace, spanning from Maddox Park along the Beltline Westside Trail all the way to the Chattahoochee River. The first phase of the project included more than two miles of trails, connecting Bankhead MARTA Station to the existing River Park Trail, connecting to the Westside Quarry Park. Ultimately, plans call for work on the entire trail to be completed in six segments, according to a master plan finished in April 2017.

Transportation
Grove Park is located along Hollowell Parkway, US highway 278. Grove Park is also served by MARTA buses that transport riders to the West Lake MARTA station and the Bankhead MARTA station.

Education
The schools that serve the neighborhood are Woodson Park Academy, John Lewis Invictus Academy, and Frederick Douglass High School.

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Belinda Lee

Belinda Lee (15 June 1935 – 12 March 1961) was an English actress.

A profile for the British Film Institute's Screenonline website asserts: "of all the Rank Organisation's starlets, Belinda Lee stands out as the most notorious, yet paradoxically anonymous, British actress of the 1950s."

Often cast in demure roles in her early career, she was able to demonstrate her dramatic abilities, but she found more constant employment when she began to play "sexpot" roles. Typecast as one of several "sexy blondes", she was often compared, unfavourably, to the popular Diana Dors. Typical of these roles was a supporting part in the Benny Hill film Who Done It? (1956).

Early life and career
Lee was born in Budleigh Salterton, Devon, England, to Robert Lee, a former British Army captain and owner of the Rosemullion Hotel, and Stella Mary Graham, a florist. She studied at St. Margaret's, a boarding school in Exeter in Devon, and then at the Tudor Arts Academy in Surrey. She was a self-described "spoiled only child" who wanted to be an actress from the age of nine.

Lee joined the Nottingham Playhouse repertory company for a year, then won a scholarship to the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art (RADA) in Bloomsbury in London. In 1953, Lee made her stage debut in a production of Point of Departure.

Early film roles
While at RADA, she was seen in a production of Lady Windermere's Fan and recommended to Val Guest, who was looking for a girl to play in support of comedian Frankie Howerd in The Runaway Bus (1954). (Eric and Blanche Glass were the ones who spotted her, according to one account. ) According to The New York Times, she was the "seventy-seventh" girl to audition for the role and her casting was announced in September 1953. Lee played a dumb blonde and later said "I really was dumb too – didn't know where the camera was half the time." For a time she shared a flat with Anna Kashfi. Guest arranged to have publicity photographs for The Runaway Bus taken by Rank's still photographer Cornel Lucas, who Lee would marry in June 1954.

She had another small part in Meet Mr. Callaghan (1954), a B-picture crime drama for director Charles Saunders at Eros. Then Guest used her a second time in a small role in Life with the Lyons (1954), for Hammer Films. Filmink said the latter contained one of her broadest performances. Lee was cast as a lead in only her fourth film, Hammer Pictures' Murder by Proxy (1954), with Dane Clark, shot in late 1953, and released in the US by Lippert Pictures. She had an eye-catching role in The Belles of St. Trinian's (1954), a hugely popular comedy from Frank Launder, at British Lion, where she seduced a jockey (Michael Ripper), in order to get information.

In December 1954, Lee was cast as the second female lead in a thriller Footsteps in the Fog (1955), supporting Stewart Granger and Jean Simmons, directed by Arthur Lubin for Columbia.

The Rank Organisation
In 1955 Lee signed a contract with The Rank Organisation – she was under 21 so her husband had to sign it. Rank put her in a comedy Man of the Moment (1955), with Norman Wisdom, the biggest comedy star in British cinema at the time. She then made No Smoking (1955), for Tempean Films, with Reg Dixon.

Stardom
Rank cast Lee as a nurse in a medical drama The Feminine Touch (1956), produced through Ealing under the direction of Pat Jackson, shot in mid 1955. After a week at the Venice Film Festival she went straight in to a comedy, Who Done It? (1956), for Ealing, where she was the leading lady to Benny Hill. During the filming of this she said she would prefer to be in romantic parts like Footsteps in the Fog. These two films were among the last made at Ealing Studios.

Lee was a nurse again in a thriller with Donald Sinden, Eyewitness (1956), directed by Muriel Box for Rank. Lee replaced Diana Dors in The Big Money with Ian Carmichael, a film shot in April 1956 but which Sir John Davis of Rank disliked so much they delayed showing it for two years.

By June 1956 she had made nine films, six of which were for Rank. She said being a film star was "really 90 percent luck and only 10 percent ability" and accredited her success to "being at the right place at the right time."

In June 1956 she played Rosalind in a production of As You Like It in an open-air theatre at Regent's Park. The same month she said "I want people to think of me as a serious actress and not just a glamour girl... It's rather hard to go from the films to Shakespeare on stage – it is easier the other way around. I left myself wide open for criticism." Reviews for her performance were mixed, but she received some positive notices. The Spectator said "she combines eloquence of voice and gesture with a pleasantly un-leading-lady-like approach." The Telegraph said "I don't suppose there has ever been a more high speed Rosalind in the history of the play... her gaety and vitality are spontaneous and charming. But all the time she was in her boy's disguise I kept thinking what a good Peter Pan she would make." The Financial Times called her "brown as a nut, fresh as a daisy and pretty as a buttercup" saying she "made a spirited alfresco Rosalind even if a little too much on the cute side."

During the play's run she said "my ambition is to make a great film. I am trying to break away from glamour parts. I love comedy but I don't want any more films with custard pies. And I don't want to stooge for comedians again." In October 1956, John Davis, managing director of Rank, announced her as one of the actors under contract that Davis thought would become an international star.

Lee was top billed in a crime drama The Secret Place (1957), directed by Clive Donner; she also had the female lead in Miracle in Soho (1957) with John Gregson, filmed in early 1957, and in the period drama Dangerous Exile (1957), opposite Louis Jourdan; during the filming of the latter she was injured when her hair caught fire. Miracle in Soho was a flop but British exhibitors voted her the 10th-most popular British film star at the box office in 1957 (ranked in front of her were Dirk Bogarde, Kenneth More, Peter Finch, John Gregson, Norman Wisdom, John Mills, Stanley Baker, Ian Carmichael and Jack Hawkins – Lee was the only woman on the list).

Italy
Towards the end of 1957 Lee went to Italy to play a model in the Ancient World in The Goddess of Love (1957). During the course of the shoot she had a highly publicised romance with a married noble, Prince Filippo Orsini, head of the Orsini family. This resulted in Lee leaving her husband Lucas in September. In October 1957, Lee told the press "I had a strict and very ladylike upbringing. When I went to Rome it was the first time I had been abroad on my own. It was marvelous. I even learned to swear."

Lee returned to Rank to make Nor the Moon by Night (1957), which was shot in London and on location in the Union of South Africa. During the shoot she told a reporter she liked to play "passionate exotic parts. I don't want to be the girl next door or somebody's sister. I don't really like being a simple outdoor girl either- good at heart, even when she's swept off her feet."

Suicide attempt
During filming, Lee went to Italy to visit Prince Orsini, her married lover. Italian newspapers reported that Lee had taken an overdose of sleeping pills. Three days later, Orsini, a Papal prince, was reported to have been hospitalised after slashing his wrists. Police refused to comment on the newspaper reports linking the two romantically. Prince Orsini, whose injuries were minor, refused to tell the police why he had done it. Lee said that she had been suffering from insomnia and had taken an overdose by mistake. Both were married to others at the time. The Vatican said that Orsini would lose his title if it were proven that he had attempted suicide, and the elderly Pope Pius XII removed Orsini and the Orsini family from their hereditary position of Prince Assistant to the Papal Throne. The Pope also made a speech condemning suicide, which was thought to be a reference to the Orsini–Lee scandal, although neither were named.

Lee was smuggled out of Rome to return to South Africa in February to complete Nor the Moon by Night. (Questions were asked in the Parliament of South Africa about whether Lee was given special treatment to enter the country, as a customs and immigration officer met her on the plane at Johannesburg airport so she could avoid the press. She transferred to a plane to Durban, stayed in the crew cabin and was allowed to disembark later. ) "I regret any harm I have done to anyone in Italy", she said.

According to Filmink in 2020, "Rank seemed unsure what to do with Lee. A well-publicised adulterous affair can increase an actor's popularity – as Elizabeth Taylor would soon prove when she "stole" Eddie Fisher off Debbie Reynolds. However, in the British film industry of the 1950s, which liked its women sensible and/or straight bananas, it seemed to scare producers."

In July 1958, she was announced for Love is My Business with Raymond Pelligin, directed by Ralph Habib. It was never made but while still under contract to Rank, Lee went to France to play the female lead in This Desired Body (1959), a romantic melodrama. The Monthly Film Bulletin later said "Lee gives an uninhibited but sympathetic performance in a part she was to make her own, the prostitute reformed." Also in France she did Les Dragueurs (1959) starring Charles Aznavour, later released in the US as The Chasers.

In October 1958, Rank announced they would not pick up its option on Lee's contract at the end of the year, the same day they announced they would not pick up the contracts for Patrick McGoohan. (A fortnight earlier, they made a similar announcement for Ronald Lewis.) "We cannot be certain of parts in the immediate future for these two artists", said a Rank spokesperson. "But that does not mean that they would not be very welcome if any suitable parts did arise. Miss Lee has often said she would rather not work in this country." The spokesman added "the dropping of Miss Lee's contract has no connection with events earlier in the year." Lee, then in France making a movie, said "I had an idea that something of the sort was likely...Naturally, I am not pleased but neither am I too disturbed." Rank had cut its contract list to 23, when it had been 100 a few years previously. "This will give me more time to make pictures in Italy and France", she added. She relocated to the Continent and Rank subsequently put its efforts into promoting Anne Heywood. The month before, John Davis of Rank had said "Young artists today won't work. They are given a big build-up by the press and it goes to their heads. We get others who say 'We don't want to leave Britain for a year'. They lose all sense of proportion."

In December 1958 it was reported that Lee and Prince Orsini had moved in together in Paris.

European star
Lee's first film post-Rank was The Nights of Lucretia Borgia (1959), shot in Italy, playing the title role. In early 1959 she made The Magliari (1959), an Italian film shot in Germany directed by Francesco Rosi. She stayed in Germany to make a local movie, Love Now, Pay Later (1959), playing Rosemarie Nitribitt, a prostitute who was murdered.

In June 1959 she said "Now all the time I make films One after the other. It won't last but now I am in demand. I might as well cash in on it. For the first time I make money. Always am I asked now to play wicked women... On the Continent I'm thought of always in connection with parts like that. Bit of a change from the old Rank Orgy. But I'm not ambitions anymore. I don't care any more to be a big star. I used to be so ambitious – now it means nothing to me. Now I just wanted to make some money. So I can live the way I want to."

In August 1959 Lee was in Marie of the Isles (1959), a French-Italian adventure tale where she played the real life Marie Bonnard du Parquet. This was followed by Vacations in Majorca (1959), an Italian comedy and Messalina (1960), an Italian Ancient history epic where Lee played the title role, shot in late 1959. In December she was in Munich to film Satan Tempts with Love (1960) when she announced her relationship with Orsini was over. Orsini later wrote that when Lee went to Germany to make a movie "she felt would be important to her career" he refused to come, which ended their relationship.

Lee went back to Italy to make Long Night in 1943 (1960), a critically acclaimed war drama, and had a cameo in Love, the Italian Way (1960), a comedy with Walter Chiari, shot in mid 1960. In May 1960 she said "all they wanted when I was filming in England were dewey-eyed little innocents and sexy big-bosomed blondes and I didn't think I fitted either bill."

She appeared opposite Cornel Wilde in Constantine and the Cross (1961), playing Fausta, and had leading roles in Blood Feud (1961) and Ghosts of Rome (1961), the latter with Marcello Mastroianni.

Lee's last film was the Biblical epic The Story of Joseph and His Brethren (1961). An article after her death said Lee made £150,000 from her European films.

In December 1960 Lee announced her engagement to filmmaker Gualtiero Jacopetti. Shortly afterwards he was charged with molesting three girls under eleven years of age in Hong Kong. He had also once been married to a thirteen year old who had accused him of rape, and was waiting for his divorce from her. She took several months off to accompany Jacopetti around the world to shoot footage for a documentary. "When she loved a man she loved him completely", said one friend.

Death
On 12 March 1961, Belinda Lee died in a car crash near San Bernardino, California, on her way to Los Angeles from Las Vegas, on Highway 91, nine miles east of Baker, California. She was a passenger in a car going 100 mph when a tire blew, causing the car to skid. Lee was thrown from the car and found lying 63 ft away and was pronounced dead at Barstow Community Hospital. Three Italian men with her in the car were injured.

Her ashes are interred in the Non-Catholic Cemetery (Cimitero acattolico) in Rome, Italy.

After her death at age 25, the Monthly Film Bulletin called her "an actress who will now always be remembered with affection as a star in the Crawford and Mercouri class."

She left the bulk of her estate – thought to be £20,000 – to the Rome Centre of Experimental Cinematography to be used for establishing scholarships for promising students of the Motion Film Academy of Rome.

Legacy
The 1963 semi-documentary Italian film The Women of the World was dedicated to Lee with a written announcement at the start of the film (which interrupts the title music): "To Belinda Lee, who throughout this long journey accompanied and helped us with love."

The Daily Telegraph wrote an obituary which said "She was considered at one time to be a potential star of international status. Although she continued to play leading roles she did not fulfil her earlier promise. Her career was hampered by a stormy private life which led to unfavourable publicity."

The Daily Mail, reviewing Joseph in 1964, said "we come away sadly reflecting that properly handled, which she so rarely was, Belinda Lee might have been groomed into some kind of English Loren."

Selected filmography

 * The Runaway Bus (1954) – comedy with Frankie Howerd, directed by Val Guest
 * Murder by Proxy (1954) aka Blackout – thriller with Dane Clark, directed by Terence Fisher
 * Life with the Lyons (1954) aka Family Affair, directed by Val Guest
 * Meet Mr. Callaghan (1954)
 * The Belles of St. Trinian's (1954) – comedy directed by Frank Launder
 * 'The Case of Canary Jones (1954)
 * Footsteps in the Fog (1955) – thriller directed by Arthur Lubin
 * Man of the Moment (1955) – comedy with Norman Wisdom
 * No Smoking (1955) – comedy with Reg Dixon
 * Who Done It? (1956) – comedy with Benny Hill
 * The Feminine Touch (1956) aka The Gentle Touch – drama with George Baker
 * Eyewitness (1956) – thriller with Donald Sinden
 * The Big Money (made 1956, released 1958) – comedy with Ian Carmichael
 * The Secret Place (1957) – thriller with Ronald Lewis
 * Miracle in Soho (1957) – romantic drama with John Gregson
 * The Goddess of Love (1957) – shot in Italy
 * Dangerous Exile (1957) – costume drama with Louis Jourdan
 * Nor the Moon by Night (1958) aka Elephant Gun – romance adventure directed by Ken Annakin
 * This Desired Body (1959) aka Ce corps tant désiré aka Way of the Wicked – French film with Maurice Ronet
 * Les Dragueurs (1959) aka The Chasers – French film
 * The Nights of Lucretia Borgia (1959) aka Le notti di Lucrezia Borgia – Italian film
 * The Magliari (1959) aka The Swindlers – Italian film
 * Love Now, Pay Later (1959) aka She Walks by Night, Die Wahrheit über Rosemarie – German film
 * Marie of the Isles (1959)
 * Brevi amori a Palma di Majorca (1959) – Italian film with Alberto Sordi
 * Messalina (1960) -costume drama
 * Satan Tempts with Love (1960) aka Der Satan lockt mit Liebe – German film
 * Long Night in 1943 (1960) aka It Happened in '43, La lunga notte del '43
 * Love, the Italian Way (1960) aka Femmine di lusso
 * Constantine and the Cross (1961) aka Costantino il grande – with Cornel Wilde
 * Blood Feud (1961) aka Il sicario
 * Phantom Lovers (1961) aka Fantasmi a Roma aka Ghosts of Rome
 * The Story of Joseph and His Brethren (1961) aka Giuseppe venduto dai fratelli

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Good edits to List of Magic: The Gathering terms! Hope to see you continue your good work. Mr Bound 01:08, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

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You are reverting good edits that are not vandalism. You changed my fix of "deploymen_logs" for no reason. Also, the JavaScript does refresh the page. There's no debate about that, so stop trying to say it 'might' happen. --TheEmulatorGuy 23:16, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
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