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Talk:Tom Coburn

Bias
What is in the article are not facts. They are twisted misrepresentations. The author of the article should be very ashamed, using Wikipedia for the political purposes of personal destruction. It is such a disappointment to be searching for unbias information on an individual an find such sugar-coated political propaganda.

This entire article was quite obviously written by someone with a negative view of Senator Coburn. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.163.22.23 (talk • contribs) 23:16, July 21, 2005

 * Yes, but the facts paint a rather negative picture of Senator Coburn. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.12.117.9 (talk • contribs) 00:17, September 15, 2005

 * These are campaign points used against Sen. Coburn. Not needed in wikipedia article. If you want to campaign against him, get out and do it. Don't deligitimize WikiPedia in your campaign. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.97.65.72 (talk • contribs) 01:10, October 26, 2005

 * Removal of the entire Controversies section is unwarranted because in most cases the negative light cast on Coburn is cast entirely by his own statements (see the Global warming and Homosexuality subsections). Those subsections don't even mention the views of the respective non-Coburn sides, much less sympathise with them. When political figures make themselves look bad with statements like "[the gay] agenda is the greatest threat to our freedom that we face today", the NPOV policy (which you, 68.97.65.72, should read) does not require us to bail them out by leaving their statements unmentioned. Doing so, in fact, would seem a very un-neutral thing to do.

 * I do agree with you that the section is in need of improvement. My main suggestion would be to mention Coburn's recent attempt to amend the transportation bill. Another would be to modify the section on the Roberts hearings to focus on the actual issues Coburn discussed with Roberts. And finally, I don't think the sterilization section is notable, because Coburn was not found liable for anything; it might be acceptable to say he improperly charged Medicare, but even that issue seems quite minor to me when compared to his other controversies.

 * I'm restoring the Controversies section in full, and I recommend that it not be deleted until we at least make an attempt to fix its problems.
 * — Elembis 09:20, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Wouldn't it make more sense to delete it until we atleast make an attempt to fix its problems. It only makes wikipedia look like it's full of political hacks... not respectful information. I would also like you to note how many controversy sections there are for Democrats versus Republicans. Why can't we put our politics aside, and just quit the SPIN. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.154.114.160 (talk • contribs)

 * Please use this page to identify the specific problems you have with the article. Also, please do not alter the comments of other editors on this page. Gamaliel 23:53, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

 * http://www.wackytom.com/ Wacky Tom, an anti-Tom Coburn Site This is the source for this material. Real unbias?

 * "attempted to gain some intellectual footing" rephrasing this. That is an not a neccesary attack. If you want to campaign against Coburn do it outside of wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.97.65.72 (talk • contribs)

"Coburn stopped working on a crossword puzzle and began speaking about partisan politics" Good Grief! Just delete controversy section since to many acedemic political hacks can't control themselves. 3 Bias sections! I suggest putting a dispute warning at the top, or deleting the controversy section until some people can learn self control. BTW don't delete people's comments on the talk page just becausee they make a good point

Breast Implants
It is my opinion that last paragraph of the breast implant section is biased.

Silicone is pretty much chemically inert, and it is not scientifically proven that silicone implants cause disease such as autoimmune disease (a disease that is often faked). Just about every other country in the world still uses silicone implants.

Simply stating that the study does not prove the women are healthier, implies either that lower rates of breast cancer is not a part of health or that the implants may have offsetting harmful effects. But it has never been proven that silicone implants are harmful in other than a cosmetic manner when they rupture.

I am going to try to word this in a more neutral manner (CHF 09:13, 21 September 2005 (UTC))
 * I'm going to revert your changes. It appears that your revision has introduced bias by concentrating on one controversial aspect and in effect mitigating Coburn's claim that silicone breast implants make you healthier.  Further your claim that "silicone breast implants have never been proven to be harmful" is slippery POV, and takes sides in a contentious debate.  Also, the fact that they are used around their world has no bearing on their saftey.  Tobacco is smoked around the world as well, and most industry advocates will tell you that it's impossible to prove that tobacco is harmful to your health, and in fact, they often make the same claims as Coburn, encouraging people to smoke to improve their health.  Let's stick to just the topic of what was said and avoid the POV.  --Viriditas  | Talk 00:21, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Also, I would add that this is NOT a correct statement: The health hazards claimed for breast implants have been largely discredited in recent years. Some people claimed that breast implants caused such illnesses as autoimmune disease, although both the AMA and FDA, as well as health organizations around the world, have found there to be no evidence of this. [1]. However, documented problems with breast implants include asymmetry, visibility, palpability, rupture, deflation, infection, scarring and hardening of the implants or 'capsule'. [2]

The fact is that the health hazard claims have NOT been discredited. IN fact, only one study has followed rupture, and that was the FDA study of 2001. That DID show a correlation between rupture and fibromyalgia. The FDA further acknowledges the limitations of earlier 'studies' that were funded by the manufacturer. Please see the FDA website, on the issues of the PMA, for information on this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jgwlaw (talk • contribs)

Controversies
I was reading this article and saw mention of the Schindler's List controversy which seemed rather strange. I put a brief mention into the article. After my edit I suddenly saw that there was a prior mention of the movie. I immediately edited my addition out wonder how did I ever miss it. Looking at history answered the question. During the time which I was doing my edit, another user reverted someone's deletion of a section of the article. I guess someone did not want anyone to know the things that Sen. Coburn is most famous for. MichaelSH 23:00, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * It is hard to portray someone who is inherently irrational in a reasonable light. The charge (probably credible) was made during the campaign that he sterlized a woman against her will so that she wouldn't have any more abortions. That should be mentioned. The fact that it is outragous doesn't stop it from being true. This guy IS a nut. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Politicaljunkie6 (talk • contribs)

As you pointed out... it is was a campaign hit. Every shot made at him during the campaign should not be mentioned. Don't forget that this lady already went to court and it was thrown out as a frivolous case. I believe the fact that you label U.S. Sen. Coburn as a "nut" goes to further prove the bias against him. Lets go for a NPOV article with wikipedia standards. --68.229.219.235 06:13, 2 May 2006 (UTC)Trav

Clean it up or delete it. People keep making great points in the discussion page but, no a few keep ignoring the talk. They just post their own political views. Please campaign somewhere else, leave wikipedia with some academic integrity. --204.154.114.124 15:33, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

It is high time the controversies section be removed (not the content, just the header). I plan to begin integrating the content itself into other sections this week. Labeling all the items below that header as a "controversy" is a form of editorializing that now, if not back when these comments were made in 2006, wikipedia at least generally frowns on. Some of them can go under Coburn's political positions, some of them under particular time headings (senate career, house career, etc). There's no need to use a header to try and tell a wikipedia reader how they should feel about the content that follows that header. This doesn't mean I think all of the wording represents NPOV and the header is the only issue, but one problem at a time. --Ur4evr (talk) 15:11, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

 * The controversies section has been renamed "issues", which is at least less facially biased than the previous header. But maintaining those items as a separate from the rest of the article seems inconsistent and without a point.  I'm still inclined, for example, to move Coburn's notable use of the Holds to his political positions, perhaps underneath fiscal conservatism.  Most of the rest belong integrated with the remainder of the article, in the biographical time periods that they took place in. --Ur4evr (talk) 19:58, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

 * I don't have anything against the name of the header, but this article is a bit sprawling an unorganized, and a chronological reordering could do some good. As for the holds, that should probably be in the chrono as well. Gamaliel (talk) 20:34, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Roberts Hearings
Why is there a Roberts Hearings section here? It is almost devoid of any intelligent content - a reference to being mocked over a crossword puzzle and a selective quotation of Coburn's actual statement. This needs to be cleaned up or deleted as unencyclopedic. --Ajdz 23:55, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Let me know what you think of the changes I just made. I removed all the references to late night comedy shows, but I disagree that the section should be deleted because his actions during the hearing did receive much media attention. Gamaliel 01:19, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

 * That is better. There's no reason to note every late night joke, there wouldn't be room for anything else!  I still have a problem with the treatment of the "the opposite of being dead is being alive" quote because it is so out of context.  I watched the hearings and that statement was part of a larger philosophical point, but here it is presented to look somewhat idiotic. --Ajdz 06:12, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Bias
Please rewrite or delete the section noted 'conroversies'. The section is way longer than any other sections ans paints a negative picture of coburn. One of the sites on there was even an anti-coburn site. Please do not be an academic political hack de-legitimizing wikipedia for personal/political gain. Make Wikipedia respected by both Republicans and Democrats by keeping it unbiased! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.229.219.235 (talk • contribs)

 * If you have specific ideas on how to improve this section, please suggest them on this page. Gamaliel 05:59, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

My idea to improve the page is to Delete the controversies section until someone can make it unbiased and intellectual. "http://www.wackytom.com/ An Anti-Coburn website" This just proves the bias against Coburn. This should not be a source. A campaign site against Sen. Coburn. Please leave deleted until it can be reworked to relevant and intellectual information. Not items like what he did for 12 mins out of an 8 hr confirmation hearing... Wikipedia is loosing legitimacy due to articles like this.

 * Multiple sections dealing with multiple issues will not be deleted. If you have any specific suggestions on how to improve each section, please offer them.  Just saying it is "biased" and not "intellectual" is not helpful.

 * The fact that an anti-Coburn site is linked to is not "proof" of bias. WP articles present multiple points of view, from both supporters and detractors.  If you have any pro-Coburn links to offer, feel free to add them to the article. Gamaliel 06:28, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

 * An "anti-coburn" site doesn't sound much like it would pass wikipedia's litmus test for reliable sources--that is, just because some hack starts a blog doesn't mean it's a useful source. While it is certainly true that some sources will present a negative light on any person and some a positive, and that is no grounds for removal, an average hack site should only be a source for that site's own wiki entry should it become popular enough to warrant entry--Ur4evr (talk) 15:09, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

 * The controversies section will never be unbiased or intellectual because Coburn's opponents will keep coming back to use this page to trash him. I've noted this problem previously and there has been zero interest in either removing riduculous sections (and keeping them removed) or doing the work to make the article more comprehensive.  I'm not sure if Wikipedia ever had legitimacy when it comes to articles like this. --Ajdz 16:18, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Coburn has become well-known precisely because of certain comments which are seen (at least in some sectors) as outlandish and extreme. We can hardly overlook the very things that have brought him to the notice of the wider public. --Lee Hunter 18:50, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

 * There has also been "zero interest" in the part of those who accuse this article of "bias" in identifying precise problems with these sections and suggesting potential solutions besides deleting information they find unfavorable to Coburn. Gamaliel 18:52, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

 * If so, that's likely because deletion is a reasonable solution to biased and otherwise useless sections, as with the section Roberts Hearings. (And where's the controversy over global warming?  The comments aren't even very unique.) At the very least, an introduction to these sections is needed.  Are these live controversies?  Major controversies?  Things only Oklahoma Democrats talk about? I've only heard of a few of them elsewhere, leaving the impression that much of it is just the typical wikipedia crusade. --Ajdz 22:21, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Just an aside: I came to this entry to follow up a reference to Colburn that was made in conversation and found the controversies section to be extremely helpful. It doesn't seem like a rather educational and useful section should be considered POV simply because it could be viewed unflattering. 71.197.131.190 16:31, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

"but expressed it poorly" thes is under the Schindler's list controversy. I am removing it because it is a matter of opinion. Please make article NPoV

This bias has been posted for 5 years, and still is not cleaned up. I cannot edit it so please either allow this site to be edited so it can be properly edited and made unbiased, or delete large portions of biased comments. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.36.45.123 (talk) 04:55, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

The Roberts Hearing
I felt that some of the language regarding Senator Coburn's presence at the Roberts Confirmation Hearings was somewhat slanted and mocking in some cases, particularly the picture and paragraph regarding the crossword puzzle. It seemed as though the author was trying to make the senator appear to be disinterested or even a bad actor (i.e., ". . . seemingly lamenting . . ." on his confusion with legal terms, etc.)

If the author was attempting to make Senator Coburn look like a bad senator by the thing with the crossword puzzle, need I remind him that watching a Senate Judiciay Committee Hearing is about like watching a toilet flush over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, etc. and it is understandable that he would attempt to break the monotonous atmosphere with something such as a crossword puzzle, while at the same time keeping an eye on the proceedings. Roygene 23:56, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

 * It's more like paint drying. This article is a good example of wikipedia being used to trash someone that the contributors just don't like.  Before I got here the section was also comprised of out of context quotes and pretended that late-night jokes are notable, but then again, notability is irrelevant when there's another agenda at work. --Ajdz 02:21, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Is this even noteworthy? Seriously... Congressman are usually playing games on their laptops or PDAs... Just because it was on the Daily Show with Jon Stewart does not make it noteworthy. Now if you put "On the daily show with Jon Stewart Sen. Coburn was parodied in this way..." Seriously, most of the controversy section is not noteworthy stuff. Reccomend deletion of that section with a possible exception of Crossword 'Roberts Hearing' if in reference to the daily show. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.229.219.235 (talk • contribs)

 * This is what happens to biographies on wikipedia. They become hate sites maintained by the person's enemies and "controversy" sections dominate.  People are more interested in attacking and spreading rumors than actually coming up with useful information. --Ajdz 18:23, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

"Coburn then began his questioning by revealing his confusion regarding the various legal terms bandied about during the previous day's hearings." Now I think that Coburn is a radical who should never been elected to the Senate, but what I just quoted simply does not belong in Wikipedia: it is not NPOV. Anyone have suggestions for a rewrite? MichaelSH 05:58, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

"Coburn stopped working on a crossword puzzle and began speaking about partisan politics" COME ON! Just delete controversy section since you acedemic hacks can't control yourselves!

Unbelievably Biased
This article is so biased, it's shameful. I always expected Wikipedia to be a better source than this, but maybe the public can't make a decent encyclopedia. How about a Washington Post article as a source, instead of someone's Anti-Coburn blog? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.122.126.149 (talk • contribs)

I agree... This is sad. I believe if you want to put a controversy section you should keep it only to the relevant controversies... not ever single campaign point that was used against him. I am deleting controversy section until somebody wants to re-work it and make an attempt at fairness and un-bias writing.

I added "	The neutrality of this article is disputed. Please see the discussion on the talk page." maybe someone can fix it later so that we can come to a consensus on a NPOV article for Sen. Coburn. --68.229.219.235 04:36, 2 May 2006 (UTC)Trav

 * POV tags are not intended to be left on an article indefinately so "someone can fix it later". Please identify what problems you have with the article now. Gamaliel 15:53, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Even the medical section ends up being a diatribe against the Republican party. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bt10ant (talk • contribs) 17:29, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Why does Coburn redirect here?
--Greasysteve13 13:49, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

 * It doesn't anymore; I've created a disambig page. Gamaliel 18:11, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Jack Abramoff Controversy
Is this really something that needs to be mentioned? It doesn't seem to be all the controversial, and I think if it belongs anywhere it would be in the Jack Abramoff section --TechTrav 19:09, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Crossword puzzle
It is ridiculous that people point out Coburn supposedly with a crossword puzzle in the article. How do we know he was completing a crossword? It was from the DAILY SHOW for pete's sake! I'm an Oklahoman and I dislike Coburn myself, but there is no excuse for extreme bias in the article (especially BS like this)! Scottmso 15:16, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

 * The Washington Post reported that he was working on a crossword puzzle. Gamaliel 16:23, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

It's still not noteworth if you want to put it in, put it in the Daily Show article. Every hiccup of a Senator does not need to be put into wikipedia. It's clear you don't like him... but don't ruin wikipedia just for your own personal campaigning! 68.229.219.235 04:33, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Because we have different opinions about the noteworthiness of a particular incident does not mean there is bias or personal opinion involved. Please keep it civil and productive here. Gamaliel 14:04, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Disputes
Here's the list of unresolved dispute(s) preventing the removal of the from the article. Once a dispute is resolved, it is crossed off the list. --68.97.71.92 21:02, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Contents

* 3 Controversies o 3.1 Abortion o 3.2 Breast implants o 3.3 Homosexuality o 3.4 Roberts confirmation hearings o 3.5 Schindler's List television broadcast o 3.6 Sterilization controversy * 5 References * 6 External links

 * When placing a POV tag, please give us more to work with than a list of sections that you perceive to be biased. We can't really address them, since we don't know exactly what your concerns are. Also, it's clear you're not new to Wikipedia, despite these being the first edits from your particular IP. I'm guessing you might be the same user as previously posted POV concerns from other Oklahoma City IP's (User:68.229.219.235, User:68.97.65.72); if so, the proper use of the POV tag has already been explained to you, and one of these users has been blocked for page-blanking vandalism to this page. It would be most helpful if you registered. Also, anonymous editing from multiple IP's can be problematic on controversial articles, as mentioned above. I'm going to remove the POV tag; when you replace it, please list your specific concerns on the talk page so that they can be effectively addressed. MastCell 00:57, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

POV
I am attaching a POV warning for the following reasons. I believe once each reason is resolved we can then remove the POV flag.

Bias Section (I would argue that these are just campaign points that were used against him) Roberts confirmation hearings - (Crossword Puzzle, not significant/noteworthy) Sterilization controversy - (Not noteworthy)

This article has come a long way from what it started out, but still seems to be a bit negative towards him. --68.97.71.92 03:52, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks for specifying; I think we can work with these. As far as "Bias section", I'm not sure which you're referring to. I do agree that the crossword puzzle issue is relatively non-noteworthy in the grand scheme of a House/Senate career. The quote used in the Crossword Puzzle section is also potentially extraneous, since Coburn's strong pro-life views are already summarized under 'Abortion'. As far as the sterilization issue, having read the cited source, it also seems relatively non-noteworthy - after all, the lawsuit was dismissed and Coburn was never found to have violated standard medical practice. What do the more regular contributors to this page think? MastCell 04:29, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

 * These were widely reported events and should be documented in the article. We can discuss how exactly to do so and to what length, but we can't simply ignore them. Gamaliel 18:05, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

 * I also agree that the Crossword part should be taken out, I think it is a sad day when what is reported on the 'Daily Show' is actually considered newsworthy if not historically notable. I believe Bias Section is referring to the above section called Bias which makes many arguments? Either that or they are saying that the Controversies section is bias? Referring to the court case, I don't believe it is right to put every frivolous lawsuit into wikipedia. Otherwise I could go sue the President for attacking me, and then put it on wikipedia... If it's dismissed, it is usually because they are innocent or unable to be proven guilty. 204.154.114.82 18:54, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

 * The crossword puzzle was reported in mainstream media outlets such as the Washington Post. Gamaliel 18:58, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

 * I think the article is very well balanced. It allows people to draw their own conclusions about Dr. Coburn. I read it and ended up thinking "Wow, what a great guy!!" The one thing I would do is remove the portion about the crossword puzzle. It is trivial and I fail to see how it adds or detracts from Coburn's life. In fact, the entire section about Roberts could very well be revised. 70.16.29.50 04:50, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

POV tag
I've been away from this page for awhile, but I see the eyesore of a POV tag is still there. If it's still an issue of the crossword puzzle, and we can't reach consensus on whether it's notable enough for mention, perhaps it's worth moving on to request a 3rd opinion from uninvolved editors, or an RfC on the topic. It seems unfortunate to tag the whole article as "POV" when the dispute seems to be about the crossword puzzle thing, which is really relatively minor. MastCell 17:30, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

 * I've removed the tag as there's been no discussion on this for a month. Gamaliel 17:57, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Hmm
This guy seems cool. Whatever POV problems there were seem largely fixed, IMO. Matt Yeager ♫ ( Talk? ) 23:46, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Sterilization "Controversy"
I don't understand. Why does wikipedia allow unsubstantiated claims that have been dismised in court due to lack of evidence to stay in the profile of a Senator? I thought this kind of untrue negative campaigning would be taken off the site once it was disproven. I haven't checked, but I hope the Obama went to Islamic Schools "Controversy" is not on his page as well. If wikipedia wants to keep its reputation, why doesn't it take off these false controversies?

 * I tried deleting the section twice, but it was added back. Please explain why it is on the site? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.166.228.211 (talk) 19:10, 4 February 2007 (UTC).

 * I agree; the charge was unsubstantiated and, therefore, unnecessary. I will report this to the Wikipedia "living persons biographies noticeboard." (P.S. Please, always sign your comments.) ProfessorPaul 00:43, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Genetic Discrimination Bill controversy
The link to information about Coburn blocking this bill doesn't mention Coburn. Did Coburn block this bill, and is he still blocking it? I'm deleting the bad link, if anyone can find a better one, perhaps explaining Coburn's position on the bill, it would help the article.A.V. 17:00, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind, I updated the section on the Genetic Discrimination Bill.A.V. 17:21, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Updated again today. Tim Vickers (talk) 23:35, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

POV phrasing?
"Coburn was considered one of the "true believers" in the Republican freshman class of 1995, and was one of the most conservative members of the House. For instance, he supported reducing the size of the federal budget and opposed abortion and supported the proposed V-chip legislation." This implies that all of the following initiatives are "conservative", while many legislators who are for the traditional conservative tenet of small government would not agree that V-chip legislation has anything to do with small government or states' rights, two large components of the traditional conservative movement. Perhaps a better example can be found than the V-chip?--Gloriamarie 18:21, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

There is a further problem with the V-chip phrase. Coburn didn't actually support it. He offered the Coburn Amendment which turned the issue of censorship technology over to industry and a GAO study and there was rulemaking so that his amendment would replace Markey's (D-Mass) V-chip Amendment. That is all detailed on pages 289-290 of "Channeling Violence: The Economic Market for Violent Television Programming" by James T. Hamilton. JamesPaulWhite (talk) 06:40, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Should give both sides of controversy
"On May 23, 2007, Coburn threatened to block two bills honoring the 100th birthday of Rachel Carson. Coburn called Carson's work "junk science", proclaiming that Silent Spring, "was the catalyst in the deadly worldwide stigmatization against insecticides, especially DDT."
 * This either needs to give more of Coburn's side or it needs to be taken out. Many have talked about how the ban of DDT has allowed cases of malaria to escalate in Africa.  It seems that that was what Coburn was referring to, and if so, a note needs to be made of it, or the whole story just isn't given here.--Gloriamarie 18:36, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

DDT is not banned in most countries and can still be used in controlling malaria. This is a complex issue, see the DDT page for more explanation. Tim Vickers (talk) 23:34, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

I plan to research this issue, with particular attention to the actual vote, and any other statements or actions pertaining to it. On the face of it, this section seems incomplete. Joetho (talk) 03:45, 23 May 2011 (UTC)Joe

Removals
On the Political Positions removals, was his opposition to the “Emmett Till Bill” the only position he has ever taken on “Civil Rights”? It seems that the sole source of this section was a press release from Christopher Dodd.

The lawsuit is also a no brainier. It was filed and dismissed. Does it really need a whole section devoted to it? This issue has been raised in talk before, and there was no opposition to removing it on the talk page, but some editors reverted every attempt to remove it.

The John Roberts confirmation is similar non controversy. Nothing in the cited text would seem to indicate any controversy, and the inclusion of the Daily Show’s take on this is notable how, exactly? Because it would seem to me that if the Daily Show is an appropriate source on this, why not on the Ted Kennedy article with regard to the Cape Wind Project? It would appear that some editors have a different standard with these two articles.

Anyone who decides to reinsert this material without addressing these issues on talk should refamiliarize themselves with WP:Weight and WP:BLP. Torturous Devastating Cudgel 20:22, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd even go so far as to say the statement from the attorney general should be removed. Relevant legal opinions about fraud are issued in the form of an indictment when it comes to attornies general.  lacking an indictment, the opinion is undue weight and false light and is most likely a political decree more than an indication of a crime.  This case has no legs and doesn't warrant any more mention than just saying he was subject to a malpractice suit that exonerated him.  --Tbeatty 06:34, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * If it was just some random lawsuit I would agree, but the fact is that it became a significant campaign issue, as verified by numerous sources. So I'm restoring it, with the other notable and sourced controversy material. If you want to discuss alternate wording, go for it, but ignoring it is not an option if this article is to be complete and neutral. Gamaliel (Angry Mastodon! Run!) 23:50, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Gonzales
The article states: "On April 19, 2007, Coburn became the first Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee to call for the firing of Attorney General Alberto Gonzales as a result of the controversy concerning the dismissal of eight United States Attorneys.[5][6]"

As the cited references indicate, Coburn called for Gonzales to resign, not for his firing.

63.170.35.89 19:46, 17 August 2007 (UTC)dzman49

Request for Comment:Controversy and Scandal Section
There currently exits several points of contention in this article. Several sections of this article serve no other purpose than to bias the article, giving non-notable events and information prominent places, skewing the tone and POV of the article and violating WP:WEIGHT. A quick overview of the talk page would seem to reinforce this, as many editors have objected to the POV issues in this article and asked for the material to be removed, to no avail. The sections are: Naturally, as in too many articles here, there is only one editor who is insistent on keeping the information in the article, and ironically enough, argues the exact opposite on another page where circumstances are similar, but that’s another issue for another article. So, yeah or nay for inclusion of the following: —Preceding unsigned comment added by TDC  (talk • contribs)  22:09, 22 August 2007
 * The John Roberts Confirmation. Nothing in the cited text would seem to indicate any controversy, and the inclusion of the Daily Show’s take on this is non-notable.
 * Homosexuality. The section on homosexuality is third hand quotations by fairly partisan sources, a serious BLP concern. Anytime I see …. In a quote, I have strong suspicions about the reliability and accuracy of that quote, most especially when the full source cannot be found and fully vetted. If this particular quote is so notable and prominent, why does it only have 268 hits on google, and is it not suspicious that the source was a partisan attack piece in Salon.com?
 * Allegations of non-consensual sterilization and Medicaid fraud. Once again, no charges filed by the AG, and the lawsuit (filed during a re-election bid) was dismissed as soon as it got to the
 * 1) The John Roberts Confirmation
 * 2) Homosexuality
 * 3) Allegations of non-consensual sterilization and Medicaid fraud
 * There is overwhelming evidence of the notability of this issue from a dozen reliable sources. Gamaliel (Angry Mastodon! Run!) 21:46, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * There is even more overwhelming evidence that this "scandal" was manufactured, as it went nowhere, and did nothing to impact the outcome of the election. One lawsuit in the career of a doctor who delivered 5000 babies (almost a rarity these days) brought up during a tight election, and allegations of “Medicare fraud” (also not acted on by the AG) does not seem notable, and giving the outcome of this, certainly seems to violate WP:NPOV, WP:WEIGHT and in all likelihood WP:BLP.
 * And the other sections? Do you have a reason for your blanket revision of these? Torturous Devastating Cudgel 03:00, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Perhaps this was a manufactured scandal, but it still happened, and there is ample evidence to show that it was widely discussed. It is part of the historical record and we have a duty to document notable incidents such as this one, regardless of the outcome or nature of the scandal.  Gamaliel (Angry Mastodon! Run!) 14:12, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Salon Magazine is certainly a reliable journalistic source. I do not take any other positions in this debate just yet.Verklempt 03:03, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[comments removed per BLP] However, his own quotes from reliable sources and his votes in the Senate can attest to that. We don't need to include manufactured stories and information from questionable sources that clearly tend to skew the article. Coburn doesn't need Wikipedia's help to make him look like a jackass, it only serves to comprimise the integrity of the article. I say nay to inclusion. (Rayraymitts 18:36, 10 September 2007 (UTC))

 * I was inclined to agree with you, when I first read the talk page, but looking at the article, I mostly don't see the 'manufactured stories and information from questionable sources' that you are referring to.... with the exception of the Schindler's list section, which is lacking sources. Dlabtot 22:08, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

I have no opinion on Tom Coburn, so I'm pretty neutral on the subject. The Roberts Confirmation Hearings section should definitely go. It can't be seen as a controversy just because The Daily Show mentioned it, and it's very minor. The Homosexuality section statements could feasibly be included if they have been reported on as controversial by reliable sources-- I'd like to see evidence of this. The Medicare section should be included because it was a campaign issue and has been reported on. It might be a better fit in a Campaigns section, though, since he was found to have committed no wrongdoing, so presumably the subject is no longer controversial.--Gloriamarie 22:11, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Whistleblower
I corrected these mistakes in the main article: Thank you. - CosmicPenguin (Talk) 02:56, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/washington/washington/entries/2007/06/14/hold_that_bill.html is not about S.274 <= It takes two actions one in the house that is HR 985 and one bill in the Senate S. 274 to make a bill for presidential signing.
 * Neither is http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Whistleblower_Protection_Enhancement_Act_of_2007. That link covers HR.985, which is similar legislation, but not related (according to THOMAS). <==Read above
 * Removed http://www.capwiz.com/whistleblowers/issues/alert/?alertid=9904676 which very clearly violates WP:NPOV and WP:EL. <== I called Senator Coburn's office and spoke with his staff they agree that they have this bill on hold! So what is your problem. Call the senator's office.

Abortion
I seem to remember one of the more notable controversies from the 2004 campaign concerned his comment that abortionists should receive the death penalty because Coburn himself had performed abortions as a family practice doctor. I don't see why that be unfair to at least mention that fact in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lockwood Like (talk • contribs) 16:20, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

 * I agree but you will need to find a reliable source for this information if you wish to include it. Gamaliel (talk) 16:44, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

 * It's interesting that you note he's a family practice doctor. He is, which I confirmed on his webpage here http://coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=AboutSenatorCoburn.Biography but which never appears on his wiki page.  This seems odd.  He apparently focuses on obstetrics (which you can do as a board certified family physician), but the only mention of "Family" is the controversial Christian group.  CEB  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.162.180.194 (talk) 02:17, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Sotomayor confirmation hearings
Senator Coburn gots some 'splainin' to do. 18:21, 18 July 2009 (UTC)lwwalker —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.75.247.9 (talk)

Senate Career
Ends with "Coburn's Senate voting record is as conservative as his House record. He received a perfect 100% rating from the American Conservative Union for the year 2005. Coburn has a reputation for stalling measures in the Senate, to the chagrin of members of both major parties and many people outside of Oklahoma.[10]"

However, the source cited (NYTs) provides no reference to "many people outside Oklahoma" finding fault with his use of holds. In addition to not being found in the cite, the clause doesn't really mean much, as "many people outside Oklahoma" could be said to find fault with virtually everything as well as finding good in virtually everything, and it appears to be a little editorializing on behalf of the original wikipedia user who wrote it, to frame the legitimate remainder of the sentence more to their own liking. I've removed the phrase from the article. --Ur4evr (talk) 04:18, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

The Fellowship
Can anyone describe to me a reason for mentioning Coburn's rooming at a place owned by The Fellowship (The Family) other than guilt by association (logical fallacy) to a "secretive" organization? I've seen zero coverage by reliable press raising any issue of wrongdoing related to Coburn's living arrangements, much less of the Fellowship itself having any role in the Ensign affair.

While discussion of Coburn's role in the Ensign affair is fair game given the coverage among reliable press outlets, there is no indication whatsoever that The Fellowship was involved or even tangentially related to Ensign's affair. All actions alluded to press coverage are those of Coburn and Ensign, and no relevant role is actually attributed to The Family. It appears to be as relevant as what they ate while discussing the matter, that is, not at all.

It smells like a smear attempt--which is fine on a blog, but shouldn't be a part of wikipedia--to try and tie Coburn to a group's beliefs when his only apparent connection is that they are his landlord. It relieves the accuser of having to actually provide reference or proof while still allowing them to get a shot in. It looks like cheap politicking, not NPOV.

I welcome feedback, but if there is no presentation of an actual role for the Fellowship in the events surrounding Ensign's affair, or of reliable news sources raising the fellowship's "relationship" with Coburn, I will remove the references or at least reform them so they do not pollute reliably sourced information with some wikipedia editor's opinion and spin. --Ur4evr (talk) 19:54, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Not sure what the deal is, but not needed in the lede. --Tom (talk) 17:19, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

With regards to The Family subheader under Issues, there seems to be some uncited info. Ex 1 "Coburn is affiliated with a religious organization called The Family." Not that I can find. He lives at a home alleged to be owned by a group somehow connected to some vague entity called The Family. Am I affiliated with all my landlords? The citation link is dead, but I'm betting there's wasn't anything there showing affiliation with the org. I'll try to find a new link for the remainder.

"Coburn, together with senior members of the Family," None of the links justify this. What is a "senior member" of the family? Who are these other "senior members" who were with Coburn? This appears to be made up out of thin air. Best I can find reading the links, the c street location provides rooms for rent to those interested in bible studies and having likeminded roomies. There is no allegation that renters/studiers are "members" of anything, much less some quasi-mythic organization that doesn't even appear to own the location in question. This is either really, really sloppy or really, really biased. I also renew my objection to citing Rachel Maddow which is akin to citing to Glen Beck (on things other than Rachel Maddow and Glen Beck, respectively).

I'll excise at least these two quoted statements shortly unless someone presents real sources supporting them. Ur4evr (talk) 03:32, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Accuracy under Political positions/Health Care Reform
Does anyone know if the following is an accurate analysis?

"Political positions/Health care reform

"Coburn co-authored the Patients Choice Act of 2009 (S. 1099), a Republican plan for Health care reform in the United States[13], the goals of which aimed to 1) prevent disease and promote healthier lifestyles, 2) create affordable and accessible health insurance options, 3) equalize the tax treatment of health care, 4) modernize the Medicaid and Medicare beneficiary choice, 5) ensure compensation for injured patients, and 6) establish transparency in health care price and quality.[14]" Mrs. Peel (talk) 04:48, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

C-SPAN comments on scandal coverup
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/43200441#43200441

So no longer refusing to talk about it. Hcobb (talk) 02:15, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

A so-called "Blog"
Would other editors please comment on this article found on a so-called "blog":

"U.S. Senator Calls Robot Projects Wasteful. Robots Call Senator Wasteful", POSTED BY: ERICO GUIZZO, TUE, JUNE 14, 2011

Can it be used as a source to extend the new section on National Science Foundation criticism? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.213.131.190 (talk) 20:30, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

 * WP:BLPSPS says no pretty unequivocally. –CWenger ( ^ •  @ ) 22:14, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * This guideline says yes the way I read it. According to your link "so-called blogs" (as I called them) with editors and news staff are allowed as sources.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.213.131.190 (talk) 19:28, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Protate Cancer wording question
>In November 2013, Coburn made public that he had been diagnosed with prostate cancer. In 2011, he had prostate cancer surgery while also surviving colon cancer and melanoma.

Can I rewrite this -- "In November 2013, Coburn made public that he was diagnosed with prostate cancer in 2011, and underwent surgery for it that same year. He has also been diagnosed and treated for colon cancer and melanoma"?

Thanks. Rissa, copy editor (talk) 05:45, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

gay rights
Kwisha reverted my properly sourced information about Coburn's positions, record and statements on gay rights. He left absolutely NO explanation on the talk page for doing so. There is absolutely no reason to exclude this information, so I'm reverting it back. Jhamilton303 (talk) 17:31, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Coburn and Medicare??
Coburn became eligible for Medicare Part A in his birth month in 2013 and could sign up for Part B, D, and or C in the 2013 Medicare open enrollment to go into effect Jan 2014 which could have provided better options than the available ACA exchange offerings that FEHB paid for in whole or part. Did anyone ask Coburn why he enrolled in ACA coverage instead of going with Medicare? Medicare Part A and B pay all providers except those who never take any Federal funding, which would I believe include FEHB which Coburn had been using. Supplemental plans then pay the same providers.

And how did he sign up under ACA at age 65? I tried looking at ACA plans even though I was on Medicare and until they added the features to browse without registering, I got kicked over to sign up for Medicare. Mulp (talk) 00:30, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * What about you comments is relevant to this BLP? Meatsgains (talk) 04:01, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

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Endohedral fullerene

Endohedral fullerenes, also called endofullerenes, are fullerenes that have additional atoms, ions, or clusters enclosed within their inner spheres. The first lanthanum C60 complex called La@C60 was synthesized in 1985. The @ (at sign) in the name reflects the notion of a small molecule trapped inside a shell. Two types of endohedral complexes exist: endohedral metallofullerenes and non-metal doped fullerenes.

Notation
In a traditional chemical formula notation, a buckminsterfullerene (C60) with an atom (M) was simply represented as MC60 regardless of whether M was inside or outside the fullerene. In order to allow for more detailed discussions with minimal loss of information, a more explicit notation was proposed in 1991, where the atoms listed to the left of the @ sign are situated inside the network composed of the atoms listed to the right. The example above would then be denoted M@C60 if M were inside the carbon network. A more complex example is K2(K@C59B), which denotes "a 60-atom fullerene cage with one boron atom substituted for a carbon in the geodesic network, a single potassium trapped inside, and two potassium atoms adhering to the outside."

The choice of the symbol has been explained by the authors as being concise, readily printed and transmitted electronically (the at sign is included in ASCII, which most modern character encoding schemes are based on), and the visual aspects suggesting the structure of an endohedral fullerene.

Endohedral metallofullerenes
Doping fullerenes with electropositive metals takes place in an arc reactor or via laser evaporation. The metals can be transition metals like scandium, yttrium as well as lanthanides like lanthanum and cerium. Also possible are endohedral complexes with elements of the alkaline earth metals like barium and strontium, alkali metals like potassium and tetravalent metals like uranium, zirconium and hafnium. The synthesis in the arc reactor is however unspecific. Besides unfilled fullerenes, endohedral metallofullerenes develop with different cage sizes like La@C60 or La@C82 and as different isomer cages. Aside from the dominant presence of mono-metal cages, numerous di-metal endohedral complexes and the tri-metal carbide fullerenes like  Sc3C2@C80 were also isolated.

In 1999 a discovery drew large attention. With the synthesis of the Sc3N@C80 by Harry Dorn and coworkers, the inclusion of a molecule fragment in a fullerene cage had succeeded for the first time. This compound can be prepared by arc-vaporization at temperatures up to 1100 °C of graphite rods packed with scandium(III) oxide iron nitride and graphite powder in a K-H generator in a nitrogen atmosphere at 300 Torr.

Endohedral metallofullerenes are characterised by the fact that electrons will transfer from the metal atom to the fullerene cage and that the metal atom takes a position off-center in the cage. The size of the charge transfer is not always simple to determine. In most cases it is between 2 and 3 charge units, in the case of the La2@C80 however it can be even about 6 electrons such as in Sc3N@C80 which is better described as [Sc3N]+6@[C80]−6. These anionic fullerene cages are very stable molecules and do not have the reactivity associated with ordinary empty fullerenes. They are stable in air up to very high temperatures (600 to 850 °C).

The lack of reactivity in Diels-Alder reactions is utilised in a method to purify [C80]−6 compounds from a complex mixture of empty and partly filled fullerenes of different cage size. In this method Merrifield resin is modified as a cyclopentadienyl resin and used as a solid phase against a mobile phase containing the complex mixture in a column chromatography operation. Only very stable fullerenes such as [Sc3N]+6@[C80]−6 pass through the column unreacted.

In Ce2@C80 the two metal atoms exhibit a non-bonded interaction. Since all the six-membered rings in C80-Ih are equal the two encapsulated Ce atoms exhibit a three-dimensional random motion. This is evidenced by the presence of only two signals in the 13C-NMR spectrum. It is possible to force the metal atoms to a standstill at the equator as shown by x-ray crystallography when the fullerene is exahedrally functionalized by an electron donation silyl group in a reaction of Ce2@C80 with 1,1,2,2-tetrakis(2,4,6-trimethylphenyl)-1,2-disilirane.

Gd@C82(OH)22, an endohedral metallofluorenol, can competitively inhibit the WW domain in the oncogene YAP1 from activating. It was originally developed as an MRI contrast agent.

Non-metal doped fullerenes
Endohedral complexes He@C60 and Ne@C60 are prepared by pressurizing C60 to ca. 3 bar in a noble-gas atmosphere. Under these conditions about one out of every 650,000 C60 cages was doped with a helium atom. The formation of endohedral complexes with helium, neon, argon, krypton and xenon as well as numerous adducts of the He@C60 compound was also demonstrated with pressures of 3 kbars and incorporation of up to 0.1% of the noble gases.

While noble gases are chemically very inert and commonly exist as individual atoms, this is not the case for nitrogen and phosphorus and so the formation of the endohedral complexes N@C60, N@C70 and P@C60 is more surprising. The nitrogen atom is in its electronic initial state (4S3/2) and is highly reactive. Nevertheless, N@C60 is sufficiently stable that exohedral derivatization from the mono- to the hexa adduct of the malonic acid ethyl ester is possible. In these compounds no charge transfer of the nitrogen atom in the center to the carbon atoms of the cage takes place. Therefore, 13C-couplings, which are observed very easily with the endohedral metallofullerenes, could only be observed in the case of the N@C60 in a high resolution spectrum as shoulders of the central line.

The central atom in these endohedral complexes is located in the center of the cage. While other atomic traps require complex equipment, e.g. laser cooling or magnetic traps, endohedral fullerenes represent an atomic trap that is stable at room temperature and for an arbitrarily long time. Atomic or ion traps are of great interest since particles are present free from (significant) interaction with their environment, allowing unique quantum mechanical phenomena to be explored. For example, the compression of the atomic wave function as a consequence of the packing in the cage could be observed with ENDOR spectroscopy. The nitrogen atom can be used as a probe, in order to detect the smallest changes of the electronic structure of its environment.

Contrary to the metallo endohedral compounds, these complexes cannot be produced in an arc. Atoms are implanted in the fullerene starting material using gas discharge (nitrogen and phosphorus complexes) or by direct ion implantation. Alternatively, endohedral hydrogen fullerenes can be produced by opening and closing a fullerene by organic chemistry methods. A recent example of endohedral fullerenes includes single molecules of water encapsulated in C60.

Noble gas endofullerenes are predicted to exhibit unusual polarizability. Thus, calculated values of mean polarizability of Ng@C60 do not equal to the sum of polarizabilities of a fullerene cage and the trapped atom, i.e. exaltation of polarizability occurs.,. The sign of the Δα polarizability exaltation depends on the number of atoms in a fullerene molecule: for small fullerenes ($$n<30$$), it is positive; for the larger ones ($$n>30$$), it is negative (depression of polarizability). The following formula, describing the dependence of Δα on n, has been proposed: Δα = αNg(2e−0.06(n – 20)−1). It describes the DFT-calculated mean polarizabilities of Ng@C60 endofullerenes with sufficient accuracy. The calculated data allows using C60 fullerene as a Faraday cage, which isolates the encapsulated atom from the external electric field. The mentioned relations should be typical for the more complicated endohedral structures (e.g., C60@C240 and giant fullerene-containing "onions" ).

Molecular endofullerenes
Closed fullerenes encapsulating small molecules have been synthesized. Representative are the synthesis of the dihydrogen endofullerene H2@C60, the water endofullerene H2O@C60, the hydrogen fluoride endofullerene HF@C60, and the methane endofullerene CH4@C60. The encapsulated molecules display unusual physical properties which have been studied by a variety of physical methods. As shown theoretically, compression of molecular endofullerenes (e.g., H2@C60) may lead to dissociation of the encapsulated molecules and reaction of their fragments with interiors of the fullerene cage. Such reactions should result in endohedral fullerene adducts, which are currently unknown.

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1962 in archaeology

The year 1962 in archaeology involved some significant events.

Explorations

 * Ian Graham makes first map of Maya site of El Mirador.
 * Historic American Buildings Survey records Johnson's Mill Bridge, a wooden covered bridge over Chickie's Creek in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania.

Excavations

 * Little Brickhill excavations 1962–1964 in Buckinghamshire, England.
 * Ongoing excavations at Aphrodisias in Anatolia begun by Kenan Erim under the aegis of New York University.
 * Excavation of Tel Arad by Yohanan Aharoni (continues until 1967).

Publications

 * Lewis R. Binford - Archaeology as Anthropology.
 * Peter H. Sawyer - The Age of the Vikings

Finds

 * January 15 - The Derveni papyrus, which dates to 340 BCE, making it the oldest surviving manuscript in Europe, is discovered at a grave site in Macedonia (Greece).
 * September 6 - Blackfriars Ship I discovered by Peter Marsden in London.
 * October 8 - Bremen cog discovered in the Weser.
 * Neolithic remains at Jiahu discovered by Zhu Zhi.
 * First evidence for human occupation of Australia during the last glacial period discovered at Kenniff Cave, Queensland.

Events

 * March - First Conference of Western Archaeologists on Problems of Point Typology at Idaho State College Museum.

Births

 * Nikolai Grube, German Mayan epigrapher
 * Li Feng, Chinese American sinologist

Deaths

 * William Duncan Strong, American archaeologist (born 1899)

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David Hartshorn

David John Hartshorn (born 17 May 1966) is a former New Zealand cricketer who captained the under-19 team to three 'Test' draws and three 'ODI' losses against the Australian under-19 team. A right-hand batsman and leg-break bowler he played 26 first-class matches, scoring 863 runs and taking 42 wickets. He also played seven List A matches.

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Nescio

Jan Hendrik Frederik Grönloh (born 22 June 1882 in Amsterdam; died 25 July 1961 in Hilversum), known by his pen name of Nescio (Latin for "I don't know"), was a Dutch writer. Grönloh was a businessman by profession, but as Nescio he is mainly remembered for the three novellas De uitvreter (The Freeloader), Titaantjes (Little Titans), and Dichtertje (Little Poet). His reputation as an important Dutch writer was established only after his death.

Biography
Nescio was born at Reguliersbreestraat 49 in Amsterdam, the eldest son of Jan Hendrik Frederik Grönloh, blacksmith and shopowner, with whom he shared his full name, and Martha Maria van der Reijden. Nescio grew up as Frits Grönloh, to distinguish him from his father.

He was educated at a secular primary school, after which he went to the three-year HBS high school. From 1897 to 1899 he went to the Openbare Handelsschool (a college level business school). After this he started work as an office clerk in Hengelo, but quickly returned to Amsterdam, where he held a succession of similar jobs. In 1905 Nescio married Aagje Tiket, with whom he would raise four daughters. Until his death in a Hilversum sanatorium in 1961, Nescio would remain in Amsterdam.

Frits Grönloh started writing as Nescio, as he wanted to keep his professional career and his writing career separate. All his stories bear witness to the conflict between his career and his ideals, as formed by the turn of the century utopian socialism. In 1900 he had started a commune inspired by Frederik van Eeden's Walden commune; the commune was wound up in 1903. He still kept his ideals but was no longer personally involved.

Instead he turned to writing, as well as long solitary walks in the countryside around Amsterdam. Not very prolific, much of his writing remained unpublished until after his death, and the stories he did publish went out of print quickly. His decision to use a pseudonym does not help with this: it was only in 1932 that Nescio revealed his true name. This led to a reprint of De uitvreter/Titaantjes/Dichtertje in 1933, as well as some critical attention.

It was only after World War II that he became reasonably well known, though his oeuvre is still small, roughly 160 pages. However growing critical appreciation led to him receiving the in 1954, as well as the publication of a new collection of stories just before his death in 1961.

His name lives on in the form of the Nesciobrug which enables cyclists and pedestrians to go from Diemen to IJburg over the Amsterdam-Rhine Canal.

Works by Nescio
Nescio was not a prolific writer, and it did not help that none of his stories had any success at publication. His reputation as an important Dutch writer therefore rests solely on three short stories, De uitvreter (1911), Titaantjes (1915) and Dichtertje (1918).

De uitvreter
De uitvreter (The freeloader) was first published in the Dutch literary magazine De Gids. The central character is Japi, who wants to be the perfect bohemian, but does not want to do anything with his life but just sit and look at the sea. He is a friend of Koekebakker, the narrator, who thinks Japi is, "apart from the man who thought the Sarphatistraat in Amsterdam was the most beautiful place in Europe, the strangest person he had known". He is also friends with an unsuccessful painter, Bavink, who like Koekebakker would return in Titaantjes. Japi sponges off both Koekebakker and Bavink, as well as other friends, but they do not mind greatly, as he is such an innocent.

The theme of the story is how ideals conflict with the demands of society, which Japi resolves by quietly committing suicide at the end of the book (by stepping from the Nijmegen railway bridge), when it is no longer possible for him to keep pursuing his ideal of doing absolutely nothing. Bavink as an unsuccessful painter is the best at not conforming, while the narrator is slowly seduced by material comforts.

Titaantjes
Titaantjes (little titans) was first published in Groot-Nederland. It is a semi-sequel to De uitvreter and again features Koekebakker as narrator, reminiscing about his time with Bavink, and the newly introduced characters of Hoyer, Bekker, and Kees, when he still had ideals. The opening sentence is "Boys we were – but nice boys". The story then leaps ahead several years. Koekebakker is now a successful journalist, while each of the others have failed their ideals in one way or another. Bekker has given up on changing the world, and works in an office again. Kees has a blue collar job. Hoyer is a mid range official in the SDAP. The most ardent adherent to their youthful ideals, Bavink, went mad after being unable to create the masterpiece he had striven after for so long.

Dichtertje
Dichtertje (little poet) was published in one volume with De uitvreter and Titaantjes in a printrun of 500 copies by the art dealer J.H. de Bois. It is the story of an idealistic poet, which unlike the other two stories, is told by Nescio himself. It is slightly daring in its frank discussion of sexual mores and adultery for the time in which it was written, as well as having the "God of the Netherlands" on stage.

The theme of the story is again the conflict between idealistic youth and bourgeois adulthood, with the main character both mourning the loss of his ideals and accepting in his fate as a bourgeois family man.

Other works

 * Mene tekel (1946, often published together with De uitvreter/Titaantjes/Dichtertje), the name inspired by the Biblical episode of Belshazzar's feast.
 * Boven het Dal en andere verhalen (Above the Valley and other stories, 1961, a selection of unpublished work, which appeared shortly before his death)
 * De X Geboden (The X Commandments, 1971, posthumously published)
 * Nescio, Brieven uit Veere, 2010

Translations
An English translation of most of Nescio's stories was published in 2012 under the title Amsterdam Stories.

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User talk:Leon Trotsky

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Hello,, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers: I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Where to ask a question, ask me on my talk page, or place  on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome! 172 | Talk 23:20, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
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You might want to consider changing your user name. Taking the name of controversial or recent political figures is frowned upon. Everyking 20:37, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice, but I intend to keep it. P.S. I'm not trying to sound sarcastic. User:Leon Trotsky 20:57 2 August 2005

Leon: what do you think about the leon_trotsky article...? The criticism's section is extremely POV... some people think that since someone determined that all articles are allowed to have a criticisms seciton (which is ridiculous) that this section is a freepass for writing the most assine attacks with *whatever* sources from *anywhere* or just simply what the author simply thinks to be true...

I think you right that the criticism of Trotsky on the Leon Trotsky article is POV and I am glad that it got amended. User:Leon Trotsky 9:49 22 September 2005

 * yeah i'm, going to remove the section if nobody objects to it. I woudn't mind *real* criticms of Trotsky though, but that section of very poor quality, the Talk:Leon_Trotsky page is where to discuss it, so if u object to me removing it say so.

There is similar slander on the vladimir_lenin article. User:Leon Trotsky 22:34 26 September 2005

 * Yes, I see the similarities: the criticism sections is unusually high on the ToC, it is written by various wikipedians righting their own prose, and not actual critics... This section should be broght to a higher quality.  First of all, the article is about Lenin, if criticism section is in there it must be about the subject of the article (Lenin), not "Lenin's Regime".  Second of all, it is incredidbly ridiculous to let wikipedians right their own prose and use it as criticisms... all criticisms must come from critics, not wikipedians and ofcourse not Lenin himself!  There are tons of past and contemporary critics of Lenin so they should have no problem finding sources... I would like to start an initiative in correcting that "criticisms" section sometime.  I'm sure you could write a nice critisms section, judging from your user profile.  I would like to write a good one for Trotsky and Lenin but the research would take too much of my time.--So Hungry 03:10, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Critics of Leninism
Criticism of Leninism are included in:

 * 1905 - Written by Leon Trotsky before he was a supporter of Lenin
 * Organanizational Question on Russian Social Democracy - Written by Rosa Luxembourg
 * The National Question - also by Rosa Luxembourg
 * The Russian Revolution - again by Rosa Luxembourg
 * My Dissillusionment in Russia - Written by Emma Goldman
 * The Dictatorship of the Proletariet - Written by Karl Kautsky
 * Terrorism and Communism - Written by Karl Kautsky
 * Social Democracy versus Communism - Written by Karl Kautsky

User:Leon Trotsky 10:15 29 September 2005

Problematic Username
I would like to encourage you to use a different username -- use of a username that's meant to resemble realworld historical figures is discouraged by policy. --Improv 21:34, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I also feel that you should follow this advice. --Duncan 12:16, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

How does one change their username?
 * See WP:RENAME. Also, please do not fill your user space with external links.  Wikipedia is not a link farm.  Thanks, Guy (Help!) 08:08, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Trotskyist League of Canada
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Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions. However, please be aware of Wikipedia's policy that biographical information about living persons must not be libelous. Any controversial statements about a living person added to an article, or any other Wikipedia page, must include proper sources. -- IP69.226.103.13 |  Talk about me.  02:08, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Why are you people removing links from my OWN page now? User:Leon Trotsky 18:36, 22 January 2005

 * "Any controversial statements about a living person added to an article, or any other Wikipedia page, must include proper sources." It's not really your OWN page, anyhow. It's your wikipedia user page, and here are some guidelines. In fact, reading them, I see another one of your links that should be deleted. However, please know that there is no place on wikipedia where you are allowed to post a disparaging comment about a living person or link to a source with that intention. I've pointed out the BLP box to you twice now, please read it to find out more about the policy. -- IP69.226.103.13 |  Talk about me.  02:40, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

 * IP69.226.103.13 has been removing the links. And I would agree once again the the Latimer one is inappropriate on your userpage. With the others I am not so sure I understand the reasoning. I suggest you read the talkpage guidelines that IP69 has linked to above, and see if you can understand why the links might contravene the guidelines.  If you cannot, try going to his talkpage and ask him... or you could probably ask the question here.  If you are not convinced by his answers you could ask for a third opinion.--Slp1 (talk) 02:56, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

How do I go about deleting my user page. I have no intention of making any more contributions to this website. I do not want to lend any credibility to it. User:Leon Trotsky 19:12, 22 January 2005

 * There is no problem deleting your user page. Wikipedia policy is that users can request for the deletion of their user pages and subpages (but not your user talk page). Simply blank the text on your user page and replace it with this: . Slp1 is an administrator and can then delete the page for you. -- IP69.226.103.13  |  Talk about me.  03:17, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

 * Also, although you can't delete your talk page, you can simply blank it. -- IP69.226.103.13 |  Talk about me.  03:19, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Appealing a Wikipedia Rule
How does one go about appealing or challenging a Wikipedia rule? What I mean is if I think a rule of Wikipedia is wrong or unjust is there any way to voice my opinion and lobby to try and have it changed? Leon Trotsky 9:20, August 8, 2011

Sock Puppets
Are sock puppets against the rules of Wikipedia or just frowned upon? Leon Trotsky 9:22, August 8, 2011

MfD nomination of Article Incubator/Trotskyist League of Canada
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User:Skyraider

Personal
Greetings! I have been an active Wikipedian since January 2005, and have been known as Skyraider for rather longer than that. I am named for the Atari coin-op, not the VCS cartridge or the Douglas aircraft. Among other things, I am an avid videogamer and beer enthusiast, having consumed over 3,000 different varieties on an ongoing local beer tour. I have a wide range of interests, and wish I had more time to pursue them here.

I have eclectic taste in music, but among my favorites are NRBQ and Frank Zappa. I am less active in the BitTorrent and tape trading communities than I used to be, but I still do occasional exchanges.

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FM Haro!

FM Haro! (JOZZ6AB-FM, 76.1 MHz) is an FM radio station based in Hamamatsu, Shizuoka, Japan. It is the seventh "community FM radio station" opened in Japan. Broadcasting area is roughly bounded by Kikugawa, Shizuoka and Omaezaki, Shizuoka in the east, and Toyohashi, Aichi and Shinshiro, Aichi in the west. It operates 24 hours a day, seven days a week, but more than a half of the programming is re-broadcasting of J-Wave and MUSIC BIRD.

History
FM Haro! started broadcasting in Hamamatsu as a mini FM radio station with a low output power to qualify as a community FM radio station. It increased the output power to 20 watts in 2000 and moved the antenna to Act Tower, the tallest building in Hamamatsu, in April 2004, resulting in much wider broadcasting area.

Features

 * The concept of the station is "navigating the comfortable life in the area." The majority of the programs target ages between 20s and 40s.
 * The station broadcast a Jubilo Iwata's soccer game (J-League away game), rugby (the top league away/home game) concerning the tournament.
 * FM Haro! interchanges programs with FM Toyohashi in Toyohashi, Aichi and Iida FM in Iida, Nagano.

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1916 in archaeology

Below are notable events in archaeology that occurred in 1916.

Excavations

 * Start of first excavations at Adelsö.
 * In Ireland, the burial mound at Grannagh, near Ardrahan in County Galway, is first excavated by R. A. Stewart Macalister (re-excavated in 1969 by Etienne Rynne).

Publications

 * Grafton Elliot Smith - On the Significance of the Geographical Distribution of Mummification: a study of the migrations of peoples and the spread of certain customs and beliefs.

Finds

 * Uaxactun and the first known Maya inscription from the 8th Baktun of the Maya calendar are found by Sylvanus G. Morley.

Births

 * January 1 - Paul Faure, French Mediterranean archaeologist (d. 2007)
 * June 14 - Joe Caldwell, American archaeologist (d. 1973)
 * August 23 - Sheppard Frere, British archaeologist of the Roman Empire (d. 2015)
 * August 27 - Halet Çambel, Turkish archaeologist (d. 2014)
 * September 15 - Vronwy Hankey, British Near Eastern archaeologist (d. 1998)
 * November 3 - Rúaidhrí de Valera, Irish archaeologist (d. 1978)
 * Matteo Sansone, Italian archaeologist (d. 1992)
 * Probable date - Tahsin Özgüç, Turkish archaeologist (d. 2005)

Deaths

 * May 25 - Jane Dieulafoy, French archaeologist, explorer, novelist and journalist (b. 1851)
 * October 3 - James Burgess, Scottish archaeologist active in India (b. 1832)

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Vee

VEE, Vee or Vees may refer to:

 * V, a letter

Given name

 * Vee F. Browne (born 1956), American writer of children's literature, and journalist

Surname

 * Jimmy Vee (born 1959), British actor, puppeteer and stunt performer

Stage name

 * Bobby Vee, American pop singer Robert Velline (1943–2016)
 * Cristina Vee, American voice actress Cristina Valenzuela (born 1987)
 * Krystal Vee, Thai model and actress Krystal Virulchanya (born 1987)
 * Tesco Vee, American singer and musician Robert Vermeulen (born 1955)
 * Vivien Vee, Italian singer Viviana Andreattini (born 1960)
 * Vee Mampeezy or Vee, Botswanan musician Odirile Ishmael Sento (born 1983)

Nickname

 * Vee Green (1900–1967), American football player, multi-sport coach and college athletics administrator
 * Vee Guthrie, American illustrator of children's books and cookbooks Viola Guthrie (1920—2012)
 * Vincent Sanford (born 1990), American basketball player nicknamed "Vee"
 * Florendo M. Visitacion (1910–1999), Filipino-born American martial arts instructor commonly called "Professor Vee"

Fictional characters

 * Vee, in the television series Chuggington
 * Yvonne "Vee" Parker, in the television series Orange Is the New Black

Sports

 * Formula Vee, a junior motor racing formula
 * Penticton Vees (senior), a former senior men's ice hockey team from Penticton, British Columbia, Canada
 * Penticton Vees, a junior "A" ice hockey team from Penticton

Other uses

 * VEE (voltage), VEE, a negative IC power-supply pin
 * Vee, Estonia, a village
 * Vee Gap, in the Knockmealdown Mountains of Ireland
 * Vee belt, a type of mechanical belt
 * VEE Corporation, now VStar Entertainment Group, a family entertainment production company
 * Keysight VEE, a graphical dataflow programming software development environment from Keysight Technologies
 * Venetie Airport (IATA code VEE), airport in Venetie, Alaska
 * Venezuelan equine encephalitis virus
 * Vee (v), an obscure unit of measurement in typography

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