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Talk:E-meter

To add to article
To add to this article: at least a brief mention of the "floating needle" (F/N) phenomenon. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 17:26, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

 * Why? What is the connection to the E-meter and which reliable source makes that connection? --Hob Gadling (talk) 20:20, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

 * The floating needle is one of the needle reactions of the meter. It indicates a few things, but mainly it is "the" needle reaction that is required to manifest in order to end an auditing session. It is described in various books. I found this one today.   ▶ I am Grorp ◀  10:54, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Confusing
With what seems like earlier editors' attempts to ridicule the topic of the e-meter, this article has become more "what it is not", and fails to clearly describe "what it is". The article was (and should be) intended to describe the Scientology device (WP:DUE)—keep its title in mind. Though it could still mention "other similar devices" or "non-Scientology uses", one must keep in mind WP:DUEWEIGHT.

I made some changes (rearranged sections) with the goal of an outline like this:
 * Lead (need rewriting)
 * Overview (keeping it brief, cover what is it, who uses it, how is it used, why it was invented)
 * History
 * Mathison (cover Mathison's invention)
 * Hubbard (cover Hubbard's association/participation with the invention or ongoing modifications)
 * Earlier use of potentially similar devices (as an aside, because none were part of the e-meter's invention)
 * Use in Scientology (put a little more detail than the overview of how it is used)
 * Technical description (put all the electronics/geeky stuff here)
 * Legal issues

That last section titled "Scientology beliefs and theories" is mostly uncited, heavy on the quotes, and I'm not really sure what the purpose of it was. Other things of note: The constant use of "EDA" is odd, since all the sources called it a "galvanometer"; I suspect EDA is coming from the "what it is not" category of sources. The article is also heavy on quotes.

▶ I am Grorp ◀ 09:51, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Capitalization
The trademarked term is spelled "E-Meter". I thought that "e-meter" would be the general term as written, but no. Every Hubbard or Church of Scientology source, from very early to recent, seems to have capitalized it as "E-Meter". There are 104 instances of "e-meter" in the article, with varying capitalization. Perhaps we should standardize it to "E-Meter", unless it is used in a quote which capitalizes it differently. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 10:47, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Interesting source
I found this source today. Very interesting. Lots of photos. It looks like a composite of excerpts from many other sources. Doubtful it could be used as a citation (non-RS), but it might be useful for information... and then a more reliable source found. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 11:03, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
 * https://jamieallen.com/media/pages/activities/recomposing-the-e-meter/ddaac16268-1641507562/recomposingtheemeter.pdf

A 'secular' or 'scientific' perspective is needed.
Whilst explaining Scientologist's perspective and understanding on the device is an important part of the article, as a Wikipedia article, it needs a 'secular' or 'scientific' section to this page too which I find is lacking. This is something that really needs to be expanded upon. 203.211.79.70 (talk) 12:06, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the page is an over-detailed monstrosity in much need of simplifying/clarifying. Can you elaborate on what you mean by 'secular or scientific'?   ▶ I am Grorp ◀  20:45, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The article is all too credulous and seems to not achieve the balance that other fringle articles do when documenting quackery 66.41.165.13 (talk) 06:55, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

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List of Dacian plant names

This is a list of plant names in Dacian, surviving from ancient botanical works such as Dioscorides' De Materia Medica (abb. MM) and Pseudo-Apuleius' Herbarius (abb. Herb.). Dacian plant names are one of the primary sources left to us for studying the Dacian language, an ancient language of South Eastern Europe. This list also includes a Bessian plant name and a Moesian plant name, both neighboring Daco-Thracian tribes, as well as a clear Albanoid name. According to linguist Vladimir I. Georgiev, the suffixes -dela, -dil(l)a, -zila and -tilia indicate names of medicinal plants.

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Martin Sacks

Martin Colin Sacks (born 16 October 1959) is an Australian actor who is chiefly known for his 12-year role on Blue Heelers from 1993 to 2005.

Life and career
Sacks was born in Sydney. He got into acting after a bit part in an episode of The Love Boat when it was filming in the Pacific. His first role came about in the series The Restless Years in 1977, which started him on the television circuit in Australia. He emigrated to Hollywood in the 1980s, guest starring in series such as thirtysomething, but preferred Australia, and so he returned there after a few years. Also had guest appearances in: Love in Limbo, Encounters, Irresistible Force, Fields of Fire III, All the Way, Touch the Sun: Princess Kate, Slate, Wyn & Me, Sentiments, Emoh Ruo, Stock Squad and The City's Edge. Also Jake and the Fatman.

Sacks took the role of Detective P.J. Hasham in the 1993 series Blue Heelers. The show rocketed him to fame, most notably his 7-year "will-they-or-won't-they" relationship with Constable Maggie Doyle (Lisa McCune) which ended with her death in the programme's seventh season.

During the time he starred on the show, Sacks married Kate and had two children, Jack and Ned and had leading roles in two major Australian miniseries: Do or Die and My Husband, My Killer (both 2001).

After playing P.J. for twelve years, and being one of only three original cast still on the show in the twelfth season, Sacks left Blue Heelers in August 2005. Sacks asked the producers not to kill his character, so that he could return for a guest spot in the future. He did not get the chance, however: the show was cancelled in early 2006.

Sacks is also a director, having directed episodes of Blue Heelers, All Saints and a short film called Crushed.

Sacks also starred in the 2008 Australian TV hit, Underbelly, portraying underworld loanshark Mario Condello. In 2010, Sacks guest starred in three different shows – City Homicide, Rescue: Special Ops and Sea Patrol. In 2013 he appeared in Wentworth.

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Niuatoputapu

Niuatoputapu is a volcanic island in the island nation of Tonga, Pacific Ocean. Its highest point is 157 m, and its area is 16 sqkm. Its name means sacred island. Older names for the island are Traitors Island or Keppel Island.

Niuatoputapu is located in the north of the Tonga island group, 300 km away from Vavau near the border with Samoa. Its closest neighbours are the small island of Tafahi, which is only 9 km to the north-northeast, and the island of Niuafo'ou. Those three islands together form the administrative division of the Niuas. Niuatoputapu Airport accepts international flights. The population was 719 in 2021. Until several centuries ago, the inhabitants spoke the Niuatoputapu language, but it was replaced by the Tongan language and went extinct. Nevertheless, the variety of Tongan spoken on Niuatoputapu contains elements of Samoan, Uvean, and Futunan.

Geography
Niuatoputapu's highest central area, just beside Vaipoa, is a hill only 157 m high. It is the eroded remnant of a large volcano, which last erupted about 3 million years ago. The island is almost entirely surrounded by a large reef, uplifted, and largely covered with volcanic ash, which has proved an island with fertile soil.

In late September or early October 1886 the French steamer Decres notified authorities in Fiji that it had witnessed a volcanic eruption on Niuatoputapu.

Niuatoputapu consists primarily of three villages: Hihifo (meaning "west" in Tongan), Vaipoa, and Falehau. Hihifo is the largest village, and, as its name suggests, it lies in the western part of the island. It has most of the local governmental facilities, including the post office, telecommunications, police station, and a high school. There are primary schools in all three villages. Vaipoa lies in the middle of the island. Falehau, which is east of Vaipoa, fronts on the island's only harbor, on the northwest coast.

History
The traditional line of lords of the island is the Māatu dynasty. According to the legends, an early member of them became the fish god Seketoa.

Niuatoputapu was put on the European maps by Willem Schouten and Jacob Le Maire during their famous circumnavigation of the globe in their ship the Eendracht (Unity) in 1616. After successful bartering with the inhabitants of Tafahi, but not finding a suitable anchorage there, they proceeded to its bigger southern neighbour. There their reception was less peaceful. Natives boarded their ship and attacked the Dutch with clubs, until they found out what muskets were and could do. After that an uneasy truce existed, enabling the barter of more coconuts, ubes roots (probably ufi (yam)), hogs and water. A 'king' of the island came along, but not on board. "He was equally naked with all the rest", only distinguishable by the respect the islanders paid to him. The next day the Dutch felt that something was in the air, and indeed when the king came along again he suddenly ordered his people into an attack. There were about 700 to 800 of them in 23 double canoes and 45 single canoes. But the Dutch fired their muskets and 3 cannons, and the islanders then quickly made themselves scarce. Schouten and LeMaire continued their westwards trip, leaving Verraders (Traitors) island behind.

In popular culture
The 2001 film The Other Side of Heaven depicts the LDS missionary efforts of John Groberg on Niuatoputapu. The film was, however, filmed on Rarotonga in the Cook Islands and in Auckland, New Zealand.

2009 tsunami
The island of Niuatoputapu was affected by the magnitude 8 2009 Samoa earthquake and resulting tsunami that occurred in the region of the Samoa Islands region, at 06:48:11 local time on 29 September. (17:48:11 UTC). 46 percent of the island was inundated, and more than half the buildings on the island were destroyed. Nine people were killed in Hihifo.

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Petrovsky Stadium

The Petrovsky Stadium (стадион «Петровский») is part of a sports complex that consists of a number of buildings, with the stadium being used mostly for football and sometimes athletics. The Grand Sport Arena of the Petrovsky Sport Complex was the home of Zenit Saint Petersburg until 2017 and Tosno in 2017–2018.

The complex also contains another football stadium, Minor Sport Arena (MSA). MSA of Petrovsky, as of 2022, was used by several teams that compete in lower professional leagues: Dynamo Saint Petersburg and Zenit-2 Saint Petersburg (selected matches). The capacity of MSA is 2835. The whole complex is located in the Petrograd region of central St. Petersburg on Petrovsky Island – an island in the Malaya Neva River connected to the adjacent Petrogradsky islands through Zhdanovsky bridge. The nearest metro station Sportivnaya is around 150 metres away from the stadium.

Capacity
The Grand Sport Arena of the Petrovsky Sport Complex has a capacity of 20,985 people.

History
The first stadium at this location was designed by Czech architect Aloise Wejwoda and was built in 1924–1925. During World War II, the stadium was completely destroyed. In 1957–1961, it was rebuilt by architects N.V. Baranov, O.I. Guryev and V.M. Fromzel. At that time the capacity was 33,000 seats. Before the 1980 Summer Olympics, the Petrovsky Stadium went through the reconstruction.

Zenit Saint Petersburg was based at the Petrovsky Stadium from 1994 to 2017. Tosno used the Petrovsky Stadium for one season.

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Talk:The Coronation (novel)

Untitled
The book title in English is Coronation, not Crowning. Mike Chereisky

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Moved
Article moved from "Coronation, or the Last of the Romanovs" to "The Coronation (novel)", because "The Coronation" is the title of the English translation coming out next year, and because there's a 17th century English play also called "The Coronation". Vidor (talk) 23:55, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:Simon Dubnow

Spelling
Correct me if I am wrong, but isnt his name spelt "Dubnov"????

TruthCrusader

 * Theoretically you are orrect and I think we do have a redirect. But, as Yogi Bear once said, in theory there is no difference between theory and practice but in practice there is. I guess it is because he lived in Poland & Germany, his Germanized name came to be known much better. Try Google and you'll see the difference.  ←Humus sapiens←Talk 10:04, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

The vast majority of the hits and websites and references I have seen spell it "Dubnov". How is the non-Hebrew spelling handled in Israel? Is it with the W or the V?

TruthCrusader

Ok an admin advised me its ok to add the other spelling in brackets, so I did. Dubnov is a great man, by the way.

TruthCrusader

"halfs"
This misspelled word appears inside quotation marks.

If that is intentional, should it be marked with a [sic]?

Or if it is a simple error, shouldn't it read "halves"?

Varlaam (talk) 04:19, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

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User talk:Koffieyahoo

Archive 1

Major General C. M. Barber
Hi, I am looking for some biographical information on Major General C. M. Barber for an article in the German Wikipedia on the Barber-Lyashenko-agreement which realigned the border between the English and the Soviet zone in Schleswig-Holstein. Can you help? Thank you --Concord 15:00, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Concurrency wikiproject
I have put up a proposal for a concurrency wikiproject at User:Allan McInnes/Concurrency project. Input from all interested parties (especially those who will actually contribute) is most welcome. --Allan McInnes 21:30, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Johannesburg
THe Johannesburg website permits you to use all content as long as you acknowledge it, which I have done.  Páll  (Die pienk olifant) 18:11, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

VWN en WCN
Beste allemaal Al enige tijd is er een Nederlandstalig chapter in oprichting, te vinden op http://nl.wikimedia.org. Dit wordt de Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland (VWN). Je kunt je interesse om lid te worden van deze vereniging hier aangeven.

Deze vereniging gaat eind augustus/begin september een Wikimedia Conferentie in Nederland (WCN) houden, volgend op Wikimania in Boston, gedeeltelijk erop inspelend middels een aantal discussiegroepen. Om iets dergelijks te organiseren is imput erg gewenst. Dus als je wilt meehelpen, of als je interesse hebt om bij een dergelijk evenement aanwezig te zijn, geef dat dan aan op nl.wikimedia. Ik hoop daar snel je imput tegemoet te zien! Met vriendelijke groet, effeietsanders 16:27, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

WebGrafix
You nominated WebGrafix for speedy deletion, giving the reason "non-notable". Unfortunately, "non-notable" isn't currently one of our criteria for speedy deletion. I have removed the speedy deletion tag. Please use prod (see also WP:PROD) to propose the deletion of an article, or { {subst:afd}} if you expect the deletion to be controversial. Thanks for your work! Stifle 13:25, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Ragnaville
I see you restored the prod tag on Ragnaville after the article creator removed it. Actually, because prod is only for uncontroversial deletions, you shouldn't do that. If someone objects to the deletion, you may move the discussion to AfD. See Proposed deletion.

I went ahead and did this for you: Articles for deletion/Ragnaville. NickelShoe 14:29, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I understand your reasons for changing the prod tag to a AfD on the Ragnaville. However, I don't see this covered in Proposed deletion. I'm guessing you refer to the first point, but I'm unsure. My personal interpretation is that this only applies as long as the original author is not the one who removes the prod tag or the prod removal is motivated. -- Koffieyahoo 14:39, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Your interpretation is wrong, sorry. The guidelines do not state that, and I will promptly change them to clarify the meaning as discussed on the talk page. Uncontroversial means nobody disagrees.  It doesn't mean nobody except the author disagrees, and it doesn't mean that nobody disagrees with good reason.  Anything with controversy should go to AfD. NickelShoe 14:42, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * So, how does this relate to the speedy delete text saying that the original author may not remove the tag? -- Koffieyahoo 14:45, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The speedy delete tag says for the creator not to remove the tag. The prod tag says for anyone who objects to the deletion to remove the tag. Simple as that. NickelShoe 14:47, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

144.134.35.242
User:144.134.35.242 is taking the AfD tags off of more articles, he moved on to Keith Carrigan. This guy should probably be banned. He is almost certainly User:Connorx. --Descendall 10:46, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Brooklyn latin
I removed the speedy tag from this article. It's a real school, scheduled to open this year. The rather clumsy "class of 2010" mention means, I think, that's when the first class is scheduled to graduate. Joyous! | Talk 02:45, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

 * (from User talk:Joyous! ''This brings up a question: What is the policy on the inclusion of articles on schools?
 * Oh golly, you don't know what you ask. There were many bitter ugly battles over the question of whether or not to include schools. It was eventually decided, (but with much disagreement), that schools may be included. To get an idea of the history of this debate, you might start with the information and links here.  Joyous! | Talk 03:08, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for moving my Browning Hill research to my userspace. I thought it was in my userspace, and was wondering why it had a white background like an article, and not a blue background like a userpage. Not quite sure what I did wrong when I first tried to create the user subpage, but thank you very much for fixing it for me! ONUnicorn 13:46, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing!

Neuropsychoeconomics
hi -- my apologies; you're right, I didn't notice the wikify tag. thanks for taking it to AfD, though -- that will be more definitive. best, bikeable (talk) 01:43, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Pores of Kohn
Hi. Thanks for the catch of my wrong sub-stub on Pores of Kohn. StubSense suggests as a good suggestion, so I've put that on for now. It can always be sub-stubbed by an expert if needed. Cheers --Pak21 08:33, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/List of online Christian pop radio stations
Regarding the edits on this page, CltFn had mistakenly edited that AfD article in attempting to create the article for another AfD, Articles for deletion/Minaret of Freedom Institute. I saw the error and cleaned it out, and updated the other AfD with the needed information. Neither of us expressed any vote or opinion on the Christian pop radio article. Fan1967 18:03, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Yeah, I saw it happen. Anyway, thanks for the heads up. -- Koffieyahoo 02:22, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

AFD
Well, in my opinion high schools are of borderline notability. Usually high schools have tens of thousands of graduates, each one spending hours and hours there for a four year period with countless memories during a time of transition in their lives. Some have more students than say Bryn Mawr College. Also, to try to delete every article on a high school is an unspeakably futile act. It just can't happen, and even if they were deleted they'd just pop right back up like weeds. AdamBiswanger1 15:12, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

FAGS
In response to the message you left on my talk page, it was just an assumption I made that at some point they changed their name by adding the words "Data Analysis". But I don't really know; you might be right that those words were in the name all along and it was just a small error in the Guinot paper. --Mathew5000 07:38, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Portal:Thinking
Regarding your deletion nomination of this page, AFAIK, we don't have a portal approvals process, and this appears to be a new portal. Would you consider withdrawing your nomination for now; if this portal isn't used for say a month, that's a generally accepted reason for deleting portals. If you deicde to w/d please note it on the MFD page. Thanks, — xaosflux  Talk  04:55, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply, I do little work with Portals, and was working off an early comment on the MFD, (I do do lots of MFD's). Happy editing, — xaosflux  Talk  13:27, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Lists of TV programs
Erm, did you even look at any of the lists before voting? None of the lists listed are current schedules (or anything in any way resembling one), so why are you claiming that that is all that would be lost? Rebecca 08:46, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I did look, otherwise I just had said make into categories. And I would call the top of List of programs broadcast by A-Channel and half way of List of programs broadcast by American Broadcasting Company schedules. -- Koffieyahoo 08:51, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

 * What about the nine tenths of them that are not in any way schedules? Rebecca 08:54, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

 * The main parts of these pages are list, so make a category for each of the lists and include each of the enties in the respective category? -- Koffieyahoo 09:06, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I mislisted an AfD you voted in
I listed Articles for deletion/Fertility Retreat imperfectly. I should not have included the following nominations within it:

 * Articles for deletion/Fios, Inc.
 * Articles for deletion/Novas Software, Inc.

I have now, on advice, left Randine Lewis in the original nomination and broken the other two out. This message is to ensure that you see this and have the opportunity to comment upon the other nominations. I have sent it to you and th eothers who had already commented on the original bundled AfD only.

My apologies for the confusion.

Fiddle Faddle 10:47, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Please explain your reasons for the AfD at...
Articles for deletion/List of food topics.

--Transhumanist 20:40, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Portal approval
Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Portal approval process counter to Wikipedia's aims? Discussion opened. SilkTork 08:30, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Kaemi
Funny, the history of the page (and my contributions) seem to have eaten that edit. Anyhow, maybe it'd be better to say the JMA re-designated TS06W as TS Kaemi? Chacor 11:01, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * As I posted this it re-appeared. Wacky. Chacor 11:08, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

St Fidelis College, Lucknow
Why are you placing the deletion warnign each time ? St. Fidelis is not a minor institution. I've not violated any copyright. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.134.235.194 (talk • contribs).

 * Because I believe that inclusion of this article violates WP:NOT, as you can see in my AfD nomination. If you do believe that there is a place for this article in Wikipedia please leave a keep vote, including valid arguments on that page. Also, please do sign your posts with four tildes. -- Koffieyahoo 00:54, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

List of similarities between Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy
Just a note to let you know the article has been completely rewritten in the time since you voted on AfD. dryguy 15:52, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Directory entry transformation
Please refresh the page at The Evergreen School, the article is now four paragraphs and still being expanded. This school is recognized as an environmental leader and has received notable news coverage and an award to that end. Silensor 18:20, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Farmington Senior High School
I see that CSD A3 "no content whatsoever.... a rephrasing of the title" could be seen as applying to this article, but my judgement was that extra information was added, albeit slight, namely "public" and "Missouri" which did make it a valid stub. Also admins "may" delete when requested under CSD, but aren't obliged to. But keep up the good work. Tyrenius 16:01, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: CHEAL-Bibliography
Thanks for the notification, Koffieyahoo. All the articles that were part of the nomination have now been deleted. Regards,  Sango 123  02:52, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Grand Theftendo
Hi, you asked about my "Delete Recreate the article if/when the game is actually released and has gotten some press coverage. Wp:not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_crystal_ball" comment. I didn't mean that the game hadn't gotten any press coverage now, I meant that if it is released, we could then use any press coverage after it comes out to base an article on. Being that it is a fan made mod in development, there's a good chance it will never be finished. If it is finished and released, I'm guessing it will be quite popular and will get press. --Xyzzyplugh 01:23, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

About The Crims Article
Hi I wanted to say that i can't have any other sources for the game(article) except what is written on the official site and the community fansites.All I have written there(the game specifications) are taken from the game developers(server information, number of players, available languages etc...).And the rest is a description of the game characters(taken from the official site) and game features taken from the game itself.I have ended the article with information about the prizes(wich is not a bad thing cuz all the web based MMORPG give prizes at the end of the game) and links to the sites related to the game.So all this being said what do u think I should do for the article to not be considered as advertising anymore? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kirk1987 (talk • contribs)

Re:AfD
Sorry, problem fixed :) The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 03:04, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

 * The best place is Deletion process. Don't worry, many admins don't know how to close an AfD properly. The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 14:21, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

DR ABC AfD
Am I allowed to cancel the AfD since its obvious the result will be merge? -- St.isaac 17:23, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Citation?
Regarding the article Alarfaj group, what needs to be cited? All the information on that page was taken from the official website at the bottom of the article. -Zer0fighta 01:00, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Anita Blond article/ Wikipedia:Copyright
In the very first sentence of the wikipedia's description is written " Wikipedia is a multilingual, web-based, free content encyclopedia project. Wikipedia is written collaboratively by volunteers from all around the world". Since when the entire world should comply with US laws and regulations? I'm not an U.S. citizen, therefore I don't feel obliged to comply with US laws.

Userbox
Here's a userbox for you: Template:User eschews userboxes. Yours aye, Buaidh (talk) 14:33, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:04, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

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Polidocanol

Polidocanol is a local anaesthetic and antipruritic component of ointments and bath additives. It relieves itching caused by eczema and dry skin. It has also been used to treat varicose veins, hemangiomas, and vascular malformations. It is formed by the ethoxylation of dodecanol.

Sclerotherapy
Polidocanol is also used as a sclerosant, an irritant injected to treat varicose veins, under the trade names Asclera, Aethoxysklerol and Varithena. Polidocanol causes fibrosis inside varicose veins, occluding the lumen of the vessel, and reducing the appearance of the varicosity.

The FDA has approved polidocanol injections for the treatment of small varicose (less than 1 mm in diameter) and reticular veins (1 to 3 mm in diameter). Polidocanol works by damaging the cell lining of blood vessels, causing them to close and eventually be replaced by other types of tissue. Polidocanol in the form of Varithena injected in the greater saphenous vein can cause the eruption of varicose and spider veins throughout the lower leg. This procedure should be done with caution and with the knowledge that the appearance of the leg may be forever compromised.

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Note that this article meets all the requirements for a class B but due to a disagreement with the assessor it is being held at C. Moreover the quality scale states "For robotics articles, B-class will mean anything that's definitely better than the "Start" category, but doesn't fit the description of "GA" above." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robotics1 (talk • contribs) 10:26, 24 February 2011 (UTC) Since everyone has gone home I am rating this article B myself. Robotics1 (talk) 11:30, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Only Content regarding industrial robots due to International Federation of Robotics and ISO definition (e.g. no service robotic, no automation systems, no mobile platforms), only articulated robots, cartesian, parallel, scara robots, flex picker. For other robotics content see robotics, robot, Autonomous_robot, Laboratory_robotics, Battlefield_robot, social robots or ludobot.

external links: only one link per industrial robot manufacturer (either link to headquarter or to english speaking page), no links to their distributors or integrators. note this section has been removed entirely due to editor conflicts. Robotics1 (talk) 12:46, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

comment on focus of article
''Jdietsch 10:06, 19 June 2006 (UTC) You say that there should be no mobile platforms, yet the Future section explicitly refers to mobile platforms:

"Other developments include downsizing industrial arms for consumer applications and using industrial arms in combination with more intelligent Automated Guided Vehicles (AGVs) to make the automation chain more flexible between pick-up and drop-off."

Certainly IEEE considers AGVs to be industrial robots; their Robotics & Automation group focuses on mobile platforms, as does their Industrial Activities Board. ''

Stanford arm
The reference to the Stanford arm is in error. The Stanford arm was not the prototype for the PUMA. Scheinman designed a second arm for the MIT AI Lab. That was called the "MIT arm" and that's the one that evolved into the PUMA.

History
This looks like a good idea by the Bangladeshi student but he embedded his name even his phone number in the text. Plus the text was one long paragraph and needs to be made into a readable list. There had been so many edits with his name and phone number I just had to revert right back to the 18th august version. Removing each bit would have taken too long. The list can go back providing it is properly organized and has no name address and phone number. Robotics1 08:57, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

In fact there already is a list of the history of robotics in ROBOT. All this person has done is cut and the text out of that neat table and paste it into this article without any heading or any table. Robotics1 09:02, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Rework of this article.
I want to make some major changes but I don't want to step on the toes of the original writer.

My main concern is 'movements and singularities'. I think this should move up above 'robot programming'. Then the part of 'movement and singularities' which describes point to point programming should be moved down to below and part of 'robot programming'. Then I would like to copy the part of 'robot software' which describes how this point to point program would actually be programmed using various languages used in industrial robots.

Coming back to what will be left of 'movement and sigularities' I would like to expand a little on robot movement. I can't actually see any singularities at all in this section but I may have a different understanding of the word singularity. I would like to put in an example of a singularity in terms of what can go wrong.

Any comments please. Robotics1 21:47, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

pictures & focus
the article is about more then just about robot arms; the pictures must include other robots, other robots must be mentioned and perhaps some of the info can be moved to the robot arm article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.66.48.38 (talk) 09:37, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Removal of Robotics Design Inc. from list of industrial robot manufacturers
I found a commercial link and removed it. The originator restored it. Any opinions please on the following exchange:

No reason was given for the removal, except in the page history, where you claim that this compan does not manufacture industrial machines. I invite you to go on you tube and search for ANATROLLER robots, some industrial duct cleaning robots featured on youtube, or visit http://www.roboticsdesign.qc.ca/ for complete information on all Robotics Design's industrial robots. You change has been reverted, please notify me of an changes being made to my posts when doing so. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Canadiansteve (talk • contribs) 21:44, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

 * Sorry I disagree. The article is all about industrial robots. The robot manufacturers listed make industrial robot arms like the ones described in the text. I went to your company's website and I must say I was impressed. Some fantastic products, innovative and useful but not the sort of industrial robots that are described in the text. If you disagree with me then post on the discussion page and let's see what other opinions are. Maybe I am wrong. Maybe we will need to elevate this to an administrator. I would have discussed this with you but you don't have a page. Robotics1 (talk) 22:22, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

 * I have once again restored Robotics Design Inc. to the list and ask you not to remove it again. The ANATROLLER ARI-100 is an industrial duct cleaning robot that carries up to 100 pounds that can also be used for materials handling in the industrial workplace, made by Robotics Design. The ANATERGOARM AEA-15 manipulates up to 15kg manually and a new arm for Hydro-Quebec called the ANATERGOARM TMA-500 will manipulate 1,200 kg, and is set to be released this month. We also make the ANAT AMI-100 which is a robotic snake-arm manipulator that is used for assembly, welding and materials handling. The are all industrial robots, if you think there is another category Robotics Design should be presented in I encourage you to talk to staff and find it, but leave it be for now, it does fit perfectly into this section. Thank you. And you may discuss with me on my talk page.Canadiansteve (talk) 21:59, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

 * OK to prevent an edit war we should consult admin. However the status quo is that entries that are not agreed to fit should be left out until agreed. So I have deleted it again. I will now ask for admin opinion. Robotics1 (talk) 22:14, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * and now I see TOSY with their pingpong robot in there. And they have even created their own page. I am reporting that. Robotics1 (talk) 22:40, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Robotics Design products like Anatroller do not conform to the definition at the top of the article or in the talk page see above "Only Content regarding industrial robots due to International Federation of Robotics and ISO definition (e.g. no service robotic, no automation systems, no mobile platforms), only articulated robots, cartesian, parallel, scara robots, flex picker. For other robotics content see robotics, robot, Autonomous_robot, Laboratory_robotics, Battlefield_robot, social robots or ludobot." It is quite unambiguous. The Anatroller is a good machine but it does not belong here. Robotics1 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:54, 27 November 2009 (UTC).
 * The ANAT AMI-100 is an hybrid scara articulated robot that is controlled by a central master controller, and individual modules can continuie to work without dirrections from the central controller. This is an industrial robot as defined and i never mentionned the ANATROLLER ARI-100 on this page so i am reverting your edit because the reason you provided was not relevant. For more information visit http://roboticsdesign.qc.ca/ami-100.html, or see a mention in the popular media at http://roboticsdesign.qc.ca/EPT%20Magazine%20sept%2009%20complete.pdf.
 * but you wrote the article. It even looks like the kind of article that you pay to have printed. Not that I am saying you did but it certainly does not count as media attention.Robotics1 (talk)
 * I must say I am really impressed with the ANAT modules. It is a super idea. Maybe is ok to mention in robot. But the ability to make the modules into an industrial robot is a gray area. We need other opinions. The ISO definition is clearly defined right at the top of the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robotics1 (talk • contribs) 16:28, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

First commercially available micro-processor controlled industrial robot.
First let me introduce myself as I am new to Wikipedia & declare an interest. I am working for ABB and notice that the ASEA IRB 6 robot does not get a mention in the Industrial robot entry. For completeness I think this should be considered. I would propose to add the following just BEFORE "In 1973 KUKA Robotics ....

In 1973 ABB Robotics (formerly ASEA) introduced the worlds first commercially available all electric micro-processor controlled robot. The first two of these IRB 6 robots were sold to Magnusson in Sweden for grinding and polishing pipe bends and were installed in production in January 1974.

Reference: Pages 51-54 The Extended arm of man by Lars Westerlund ISBN 91-7736-467-8 Robot Legend (talk) 09:33, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

 * ha! I see you did it anyway. However it looks fair to me. Sorry I didn't get back before. I try to look after this page but it is generally a very safe page i.e. very little vandalism so I get a bit lazy. The first micro-processor controlled robots would indeed be a milestone. Robotics1 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:33, 9 January 2010 (UTC).

New to this so I did wait a while but then my impatience got the better of me. Seems like a fair edit. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robot Legend (talk • contribs) 08:28, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Regarding early industrial robots: The Norwegian company "Trallfa" produced robots for internal use in 1964 (painting of wheelbarrows etc.) and these robots where commercially available by 1969. Production of industrial robots became the company's main product through the seventies and by 1985 they had ca 50% of the world market for robots for painting and surface treatment, according to their own hompage - www.trallfa.no (Norwegian only....). During the years 1985-1989 the company's robot-division was aquired by..... ASEA, of course (the later ABB and ABB Robotics). A picture of one of there models can be found here: http://www.norskdesign.no/industridesign/trallfa-robot-tredelt-versjon-article1706-287.html (the site of the Norwegian Design Council regarding Trallfa's price for excellent design i 1973). Their robots were all electric, but whether they were micro-prosessor controlled as early as in 1969, I don't know. Maybe user Robot Legend can help out here, since (s)he is working for the company that aquired Trallfa Robot? --Tinymonty (talk) 21:36, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Tinymonty - The Trallfa robots you refer to from the mid 60's to the early 80's were hydraulic not electric.129.35.204.162 (talk) 16:04, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

 * What's a "microprocessor" ? Given the usual interpretation of the term, and the general acceptance of the 1971 Intel 4004 as the first, that would rule out anything before the early '70s. Most early microprocessor robots were also using the RCA 1802 (and mostly Forth) which dates them to 1976 and after, rather than the very early Intel chips.
 * Mostly though, these first "microprocessor" robots were nothing of the sort, and were hosted by minicomputers instead - notably the PDP-8 family. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:18, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

ABB Robotics has its headquarters in China
Just to be clear.Please DO NOT reset the ABB Robotics HQ to Switzerland. Whilst ABB is headquartered in Zurich, ABB Robotics HQ is in Pudong, Shanghai, China. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robot Legend (talk • contribs) 08:10, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I just researched it and you are right! I thought that was vandalism. My apologies. Robotics1 (talk) 19:36, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I thinks there are still some problems (in the article) though. Regarding these matters :-
 * Their own magazine from 2008 lists the head of robotics as "Anders Jonsson Head of Division - ABB Robotics" in Sweden, making him probably from ASEA, and has it's address as ABB Robotics AB, 721 68 Västerås, Sweden.
 * In 2010 the head of robotics is now "Mark Kingsley President, Robotics" and the address is ABB Robotics AB, 721 68 Västerås, Sweden
 * I think the problem you are suffering from is the production centre for Automation tech, as per the quote below, and its head office and the actual robotics division which had its head offices in Sweden, not Switzerland until Jan 2010.
 * "Anders Jonsson was appointed Executive ... In 2005, he was the head of the former Automation Technologies division in China." "The Robotics division’s manufacturing and research and development locations are organized globally, with headquarters in China." (pp. 59)
 * Can all people who have researched this and found contradictory evidence please provide their results so that we can move forwards with this
 * Chaosdruid (talk) 16:15, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I emailed ABB and got this reply:
 * David thanks for your concern on the subject of the correct location of the ABB Robotics HQ.
 * I am David Marshall Head of Communications for ABB Robotics (& Robot Legend on Wikipedia) and I can confirm that the HQ is in Shanghai.
 * We have the Swedish (Vasteras) address in the magazines bacuase it is produced & edited from there but it is not our HQ.
 * Robotics1 (talk) 08:27, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Robotics Certification Standards Alliance (RCSA)
An external link was put in for this organisation by MartyRobar then removed by Andy Dingly as spam. I had a look t seems to be a non profit organisation and just the sort of external link that would contribute to this page. Doesn't look like spam to me. Any comments? Robotics1 (talk) 14:12, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

 * If you think it's legit, then re-add it. I removed this (and a batch of others) as it appeared to be a spam run across a number of articles, related to RCSA. It may well be that RCSA is reasonable as either or both an article, and as an EL. At the time it didn't demonstrate appropriateness for some of those to which it was added. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:31, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

 * OK, thanks for the heads up. I didn't know about the others but I'll restore this one. Robotics1 (talk) 17:58, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

+++ Why does Motoman seem to absent from the conversation? They have obtained #1 in U.S. Sales a couple of times over the last decade. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.54.146.4 (talk) 03:28, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Yaskawa Motoman Robotics and Nachi Robotics
Yaskawa robotics home page says:

Yaskawa Electric Corporation Head Office 2-1 Kurosaki-Shiroishi, Yahatanishi-Ku, Kitakyushu, Fukuoka 806-0004 Japan

the US subsidiary is a subsidiary.

Nachi homepage lists the Tokyo HQ and the robotics division also HQ Tokyo.

Nachi-Fujikoshi Corporation Shiodome Sumitomo Building 1-9-2, Higashi-Shinbashi Minato-Ku, Tokyo, 105-0021 Japan Tel: 81-3-5568-5240 Fax: 81-3-5568-5236

Nachi Robot Engineering Co. Ltd Shiodome Sumitomo Building 1-9-2, Higashi-Shinbashi Minato-Ku, Tokyo, 105-0021 Japan Tel: 81-3-5568-5240 Fax: 81-3-5568-5236

Robotics1 (talk) 22:12, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Commercialism - List of Suppliers
This section has been tagged since March 2010. It is clearly commercial with links to Wikipedia pages and webpages of preferred suppliers. See WP:ELNO. Wikipedia does not support commercialism. This section must go. Rlsheehan (talk) 01:37, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you.  With these changes I have assessed the  article as a B rating.  Rlsheehan (talk) 16:35, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Reference section
See |WP:REF. References and sources can be footnotes, in-line citations, and general references such as books. Grouping them makes sense. This makes it clear that the books are indeed general references to support the article. Rlsheehan (talk) 16:47, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

 * If you feel strongly about it, go ahead and revert me. I'm just not keen about using "general references", because they end up cluttering up the article. These references have been here so long that the original editor that added them is probably long gone and will never end up applying an inline ref. But like I said revert me if you like. Wizard191 (talk) 16:59, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. This is a good article.  The references are a little weak, yet not to the point of tagging it.  This inclusion of general references strengthens the article so  I could assess the article  as a B in Technology.  Rlsheehan (talk) 18:04, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I hadn't realized there was a discussion about this, sorry. But general references dot books does not seem to me to be any kind of improvement. This article is not a good article at all. It is already 8 years old and has changed very little. I added the paragraphs about repeatability but really it needs total restructuring. Tagging it or changing odd words here or there are not what is needed. That's just pruning, what we need is a creative effort. Robotics1 (talk) 22:30, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Rlsheehan if you are in the mood for pruning please take a look at robot software. It's a complete mess - a playground for every kid with a pet programming project. Half the article is external links. I just removed another asinine contribution by leaderpro but really it needs someone to wade in there with a flame thrower. Robotics1 (talk) 22:47, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, consensus seems to be that the article should not include books as general references. The lack of references now stops the article from earning a B Technology rating.  Rlsheehan (talk) 02:36, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm getting a bit confused here. I don't know how or when it happened but the section entitled "notes" used to be called "references" and it currently contains the reflist. So assuming no-one objects I will rename it references. I confess my reversion was incorrect on that one. Seems I have contributed to the confusion and my apologies to Wizard191 with whom I have collaborated in the past. I hope this is ok with you Wizard191. Notes is now references that are referenced from the article in the usual way. The list of further reading can be called anything you like but they are not references because they are not referred to in the article. Or am I missing something? They are further reading, no more and no less. As for the grade I don't think it matters if it is a B or a C grade. As far as I am concerned it is not a good article but it is accurate, unlike robot software. If anyone wants to know what industrial robots are about this is it. There isn't anything better. As soon as I get time I will start to make suggestions about restructuring and I hope others who are interested in robotics will join me. Robotics1 (talk) 12:22, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Movement and singularities
I have two improvements I would like to make: First is to split this into two articles. Originally the section had movements and singularities mixed together with examples of programming steps. I already edited it a while back to put sinularity in its own paragraph. I would like to split off the software part and edit the remaining so that movements are discussed in just a bit more detail, for example how 5 and 6 axis robots move which in turn leads to the problem of singularity. It could also include the differences between pick and place and continuous path motions.

The second (additional) section would be more about the programming and would list all that P1 P2 stuff. So as not to rock the boat I wrote a lump about how this programming is actually done in the most popular robot labguages. I researched the major manufacturers for examples of programming to make that lump, but I ended up putting that into robot software to try to give that article some support and maybe a bit of grounding. The article is rather ethereal for the most part. However someone already removed the link, that I had to restore and the robot software article is already under attack as being too ambiguous (see that talk page). I am inclined to bring that lump back to industrial robot in this new section. Any thoughts? Robotics1 (talk) 13:04, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

 * DONE Robotics1 (talk) 17:03, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

manufacturers list on Industrial Robot
I have removed this entire section for 2 reasons: 1 it's a foot in the door for people to add more and more companies - see earlier discussions above - 2 the numbers quoted can not be verified - or if they can then we need references. Robotics1 (talk) 17:09, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

/* Reference section */
I see the statistics from IFR for reference 4 are no longer available. I have written to them to see if they have an alternative reference. Robotics1 (talk) 11:01, 25 March 2011 (UTC) New reference supplied and edited. Robotics1 (talk) 09:04, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

video added to defining parameters
The video didn't seem appropriate. It had nothing to do with defining parameters. There was no explanation of what the robots were supposed to be doing, neither could you see what they were doing. By all means put in a video but put it in a better section and explain what it is that we are seeing and what part of the article it illustrates.Robotics1 (talk) 09:08, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

 * media doesn't have to be directly relevant to the section it's next to. The description is provided by the caption not the section. In this case "A demonstration of a pair of industrial robots" which is accurate. They are not actually doing anything. They are decommissioned car construction robots that are now museum pieces.

 * After years of writing manuals I would say it does. People do expect the picture next to a paragraph to have some relation to the content of the paragraph. Robotics1 (talk) 22:34, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

 * Wikipedia is not a manual.©Geni 01:55, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * of course not. But in a manual the picture is placed near the text to help explain the text. Same in a magazine article. Same in an encyclopedia article. Wikipedia is not a picture book. Just because someone has a nice picture doesn't mean they can insert it anywhere they want. The reader is reading a section, sees the picture or video right next to it and wonders what the hell it is for. I did, others did. So I removed it. If someone has a great video a propos of nothing in the article that is what youtube is for. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robotics1 (talk • contribs) 23:22, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Howerver it is unlikely we will get a pic to show "Defining parameters" and we don't have one at the moment. The pics on the article all show robots as static items and thus it is useful to show robots as moving objects.©Geni 19:19, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * ok, put the video back. It was a good video. But can we put it under the pictures at the top of the page. It was just so out of context where it was. Robotics1 (talk) 20:20, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The problem with that is that we already have a solid bank of images down the right of the page at the start and I'd prefer if that wasn't extended further.©Geni 21:18, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I think I have comfused myself. The video already is at the top of the page. I didn't delete it. Or am I confusing with another video? Robotics1 (talk) 08:37, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * extra confusion - it's not even a video. It's a picture. I don't know who created this section in talk. I thought it was me but my original paragraph has been deleted. There is also one paragraph above that is not signed. How did that happen? Anyway I suggest we leave the page as it is. But if some video were forthcoming it would be a good addition in place of one of the pictures. Robotics1 (talk) 08:51, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The video is File:Industrial robot thinktank.ogv.©Geni 16:52, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Going to add something on electric motor types used.
Is this ok? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericg33 (talk • contribs) 09:27, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

 * Sounds good to me. — ¾-10 22:02, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Pick and Place ambiguous?
Not familiar with robots, and new to editing wikipedia, but there is a type of soldering surface mount components referred to as "pick-and-place" (which involves a pick and place machine), the article is here: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/SMT_placement_equipment -- when the main article refers to "pick and place" and links to the word "pick", I was a little confused. I suggest altering that statement in a way that removes the ambiguity between "pick-and-place" soldering and picking up objects and placing them down (seriously, there has to be a better phrase for that.)
 * First of all, re-factoring other peoples posts can be regarded in a bad light, as one is not really supposed to do that. I realise that your intent may have been simply to help by making obvious corrections, but please remember that some may take offence at being corrected.
 * The term pick and place is correctly applied to robotic machines and robots that perform that series of actions, picking up and placing down - be they a P&P machine such as those used for components on a soldering board, Freddy II or for palletising, or indeed for any other robotic device that uses such a process some examples at the bottom, pic is of one such application. Pick-and-place is not limited to PCB construction, in fact most SMT machines are robotic machines rather than robots. The picture of the German robotic arms used for palletising bread products is a good example of a large pick and place robotic system (top of the page on the right).
 * The article SMT placement equipment is limited to PCB construction. I am assuming you are talking about the first paragraph of the article, I have corrected the links for clarity. Chaosdruid (talk) 19:11, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

What Percentage of Total World Manufacturing is Done by Robots? Also, what is the Breakdown By Industry?
Such figures would be the best concrete description of where robot manufacturing stands in relation to the human workforce. The rate of growth at a net level, and in key industries would also be very relevant figures for the article. 65.102.241.122 (talk) 01:25, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

repeatability vs precision
My edit was reverted by Andy Dingley with the comment "no this is quite wrong". Andy, you could be right, but rather than leave me guessing as to why could you not have put in an explanation? I have looked after this page for some years; most of what you see here are incremental edits by myself. If I make a mistake I am open minded enough to agree but surely some explanation would be only polite? Robotics1 (talk) 23:09, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

 * The difference between accuracy and precision is widely described, even if not so widely understood. The distinction with repeatability is a little less clear: sometimes being regarded as a form of accuracy, sometimes as a third measure in its own right. However what's very clear is that it isn't the same thing as precision. Of the two, repeatability is closer to accuracy than it is to precision. Andy Dingley (talk) 23:49, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

 * I see your point. However certainly accuracy and repeatability are not the same and that is covered in ISO 9283. Sure people do think that they are the same but they are not. I had to actually purchase my copy of ISO 9283 to refine that section. Repeatability is not close to accuracy according to that paper. The description of precision vs accuracy is virtually the same. When I came across that article I could see the similarities and thought a cross link would be good. Looking back through the accuracy vs precision article history I see at one time it was descibed using targets. That is exactly the same as in robotics. So it is not true to say "no this is quite wrong", maybe "I think this is wrong" with explanation. Maybe put something in the talk page. Why didn't I put something in the talk page first? Because whenever I do I rarely get a response from anyone so I go ahead anyway. Can you give me more information on your POV please. Robotics1 (talk) 00:41, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

 * done some more research and thinking. Although as you say the distinction with repeatability is less clear the standards do make it very clear and it is those we should write about, not perceptions. However I think the mathematical/statistical approach is different so they are not the same exactly. The accuracy and precision article is so clear and understandable I think it is a valuable link from repeatability. I have changed it to "similar" rather than "same as". It's worth keeping the link because the precision article explains things so well. If I were to try to explain repeatability with diagrams etc. I would probably end up with the same thing. Robotics1 (talk) 08:53, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Comau
I have removed the references to Comau in the last paragraph of history of industrial robotics. Even though they are a major provider of robot arms they are not part of the history of robot arms in the way that Staubli and ABB are. We used to have a list of robot manufacturers and removed it by agreement between various editors. If we allow Comau in this paragraph next we'll have Kawasaki, Reis, Epson, Tenso, Denso, etc etc. Please leave this paragraph alone. Robotics1 (talk) 21:24, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Manufacturers
It will be good if someone can create "World's largest industrial robot manufacturers" page, something similar to Automotive industry page.-.@Photnart. (talk) 23:45, 18 September 2012 (UTC).

 * trouble was we had a simple table of manufacturers and more and more were added until it got ridiculous. If we have a largest manufacturer table then we have to set a criterion. Also largest may not be the most interesting or noteworthy. Robotics1 (talk) 08:25, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

I removed the edit by Andreas-B because it is a return to the chaos of the original table of manufacturers. If you look back you will see we had a list that grew and grew and became a table complete with flags that grew and grew until it became a big advertising forum. Please see manufacturers list on Industrial Robot above. The table was finally removed by agreement with other editors in Feb 2011. I will block a return of such a table unless other editors will agree it can be used. Robotics1 (talk) 12:17, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

 * A table of manufacturers should not be included.  This would be providing commercial links and advertising.  Wikipedia is not a shopping list.   Rlsheehan (talk) 15:40, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Understood and accepted. My intention was not to make an adverstisemnet list. But for me it is interesting who are the industrial robot manufacturers, if we have an article about industrial robots. And for shure nobody buys robots like consumer goods- so no danger it is a shopping list. Any ideas? I like .@Photnart. idea to create a seperate list like for car manufacturers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automobile_manufacturers. I am looking also for such informations - like car brands - in wikipedia. Andreas-B Andi 15:50, 21 December 2012 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andreas-B (talk • contribs)

 * I understand where you are coming from. That's why initially I supported the list. But gradually more and more names were added including the great many companies making hobby kits. That left us with deciding criteria for inclusion and that got contentious. A separate list like the one you quoted might be good if other editors support it and if criteria can be agreed. Robotics1 (talk) 12:42, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Robot Simulation
Someone added a whole section titled Robot Simulation. But there was already a paragraph "Offline Programming" which is the same thing near enough and there was some duplication. The new section was also wordy and large and seemed to promote Robologix. I have removed some of the text into the paragraph about offline programming and removed the new section entirely. The text by the author of the new section are largely still there but in the old section with some duplication and repetition removed. Robotics1 (talk) 23:08, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Comparison of offline and online programming by Cwlin9011112
Cwlin9011112 added a substantial section on the advantages and disadvantages of offline and online programming that I have temporarily removed as it needs discussion. Offline programming is described already in the article. The addition by Cwlin9011112 is factually correct but is top heavy compared to the rest of the article. It is almost an article in itself. It should perhaps be shortened and integrated into the existing article. It needs to be discussed before a section this big is added to the article. Robotics1 09:47, 15 March 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robotics1 (talk • contribs)

I also notice that people have been adding to the paragraphs on offline programming and robot simulation. The Offline programming paragraph refers more to robot simulation than the robot simulation paragraph. There are two apparent citation references [8] and [9] that are not linked at all. I think the best thing is to rewrite these two paragraphs and include in them some of the advantages and disadvantages mentioned by Cwlin9011112. Robotics1 09:58, 15 March 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robotics1 (talk • contribs)

Robots in other industries than manufacturing
There is a problem with the lead section because manufacturing is the only industry described as using robots. Why not include robots in the mining and agricultural industries? For example this page from MINING.com refers to the use of automated trucks to haul iron ore. - Fartherred (talk) 14:27, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

It's a good point. I will tackle that soon. However I don't think automated trucks is part of the industrial robot category. Robotics1 08:11, 28 August 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robotics1 (talk • contribs)
 * What about automated trucks makes them incompatible with the industrial robot category?  May be that what is really needed is a renaming of the article to Robots in Manufacturing.  - Fartherred (talk) 23:27, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
 * "Unimation robots ... called programmable transfer machines" are referred to in the article. They were used "...to transfer objects from one point to another..."  It seems to me that automated trucks are just as much robots as those Unimation robots and mining is just as much an industry as manufacturing.  - Fartherred (talk) 19:18, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I have decided to put the issue right in the hands of the reader. My edit of the article shows what I think.  If there is a better solution, have at it.  - Fartherred (talk) 18:47, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Norman Heroux
Unfortunately I didn't log in enough and my notifications expired. Consequently I did not see the addition of Norman Heroux as being the inventor of the Unimate robot. I have searched the internet and his obituaries and I see he was a field service engineer at Unimation. George Devol holds (held) the patent so George Devol invented the industrial robot. Devol employed engineers and Heroux was no doubt one of them. Maybe Heroux *designed* the Unimate while working for Unimation and George Devol. That does not make him the inventor. The only references I can find to that connection are extremely vague, for example one link is 404, one link ends up with "pecfest15 Girl is gone rap in battle"; next goes to iq option trading; wikiomni is a page of code and pictograms; next goes to binomo trading; next is a link to hitchhikers guide to the galaxy but it's some German spoof and heroux was only added in August and what's more all the content is "redirected from Wikipedia". Many other links such as wordaz simply refer back to wikipedia. It looks to me like a deliberate attempt to get google coverage to bring people from Wikipedia to these various trading sites. There is certainly evidence that Heroux worked for Unimation and the Bridgeport news mentions he gave a talk in 1972 but that is only genuine article and it does not mention inventor. Therefore I intend to delete all references to Norman Heroux and if anyone has any genuine evidence please discuss it with me. Robotics1 (talk) 14:05, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

more: the two references are suspect. One is legacy.com which is highly respected but it's only 1 line. I would like to see much more concrete evidence that Heroux was the actual "inventor". The word inventor is very powerful and would completely undermine what is written about George Devol. Robotics1 (talk) 14:16, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

more: I tried searching for Normal Heroux. There is only the one picture. One result is Revolvy with all content taken from Wikipedia and all the rest are Wikipedia itself including commons. Try using image search for that picture of Heroux. Again limited results. One is a French blog and the picture is dated september 30 2016. Robotics1 (talk) 16:50, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

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Felix Zollicoffer

Felix Kirk Zollicoffer (May 19, 1812 – January 19, 1862) was an American newspaperman, slave owner, politician, and soldier. A three-term United States Congressman from Tennessee, an officer in the United States Army, and a Confederate brigadier general during the American Civil War; he led the first Confederate invasion of eastern Kentucky and was killed in action at the Battle of Mill Springs. Zollicoffer was the first Confederate general to die in the Western Theater.

Early life and career
Felix Zollicoffer was born on a plantation in Bigbyville in Maury County, Tennessee, a son of John Jacob and Martha (Kirk) Zollicoffer. He was descended from emigrants from Switzerland who had settled in North Carolina in 1710. His grandfather, George Zollicoffer, had served as a captain in the Revolutionary War, and had been granted a tract of land in Tennessee as payment for his military service.

Zollicoffer attended the local schools and studied for a year at Jackson College in Columbia, Tennessee. He left at the age of sixteen, became an apprentice printer, and was engaged in newspaper work in Paris, Tennessee, from 1828 to 1830. When the newspaper closed, he moved to Knoxville in 1831 and worked for two years as a journeyman printer at the Knoxville Register. Three years later, he became editor and part owner of the Columbia Observer. Zollicoffer was elected State Printer of Tennessee in 1835.

On September 24, 1835, he married Louisa Pocahontas Gordon, with whom he had fourteen children, of whom only six survived infancy. Gordon was the daughter of Captain John Gordon who had fought alongside Andrew Jackson at Horseshoe Bend and Pensacola. She was a direct descendant of Pocahontas through her mother, Dolly. Louisa Zollicoffer died in 1857.

Zollicoffer also edited the Mercury for a time in Huntsville, Alabama. He volunteered for the army in 1836 and served as a second lieutenant in the Tennessee militia in the Second Seminole War in Florida. He then returned to Tennessee and became owner and editor of the Columbia Observer and the Southern Agriculturist and in 1843 the editor of the Republican Banner, the state organ of the Whig Party.

This brought Zollicoffer into political circles, and he was Comptroller of the State Treasury from 1845 to 1849, as well as Adjutant General for the state. He was a member of the State Senate from 1849 until 1852, and was a delegate to the Whig National Convention in 1852, supporting General Winfield Scott. Zollicoffer was himself elected as a Whig to the Thirty-third United States Congress and was reelected as a candidate of the American Party to the Thirty-fourth and Thirty-fifth Congresses (March 4, 1853 – March 3, 1859). During his first campaign, he fought a duel with the editor of the rival Nashville Union newspaper. He declined to be a candidate for renomination in 1858 and retired to private life. He supported fellow Tennessee moderate John Bell (CU) for president in the election of 1860.

Following the secession of the Deep South in 1861, Zollicoffer served as a delegate to that year's peace conference in Washington, D.C. in an attempt to prevent the approaching civil war. A strong supporter of states' rights, Zollicoffer nevertheless opposed Tennessee's secession from the Union.

Civil War
Tennessee voters rejected the call for a secession convention in February 1861. Tennessee Governor Isham Harris soon began to maneuver the state into a position where secession would be inevitable. On May 6, 1861, the Tennessee General Assembly, urged on by Harris, adopted a "Declaration of Independence and Ordinance." The people were to vote on the ratification of this measure on June 8. A separate vote on the same date would determine if Tennessee should join the Confederacy if the voters approved the measure asserting independence of the State. On May 9, a joint committee of the legislature issued an explanation sponsored by Harris of the military alliance Tennessee had entered into with the Confederacy on May 7. During the period between April and July, Harris organized a state army, the Provisional Army of Tennessee.

Upon the announcement of the formation of the Provisional Army of Tennessee, Zollicoffer offered his service to the state army. Despite only having brief combat experience, he was appointed as a brigadier general in the Provisional Army of Tennessee on May 9, 1861, by Governor Isham Harris.

On July 9, 1861, Zollicoffer was commissioned a brigadier general in the Confederate States Army. Although the Confederate States Army began to absorb the Provisional Army of Tennessee on July 31, 1861, Zollicoffer's troops were not mustered into Confederate service until the end of October. For almost four months, Zollicoffer was in the strange position of being a Confederate Army general in charge of state troops.

Harris initially tried to sway eastern Tennessee's pro-Union population with a lenient policy and the stationing of only fifteen companies of troops in the region. On July 26, 1861, Harris, who was still in charge of the Tennessee state force, ordered Zollicoffer and 4,000 raw recruits to Knoxville to be in position to suppress resistance to secession in East Tennessee, appointing him to command the District of East Tennessee. Harris was re-elected governor on August 8, 1861, and on August 18, he ordered Zollicoffer to arrest and, if necessary, banish leaders of pro-Union factions from the state, changing his policy from leniency to force.

Cumberland Gap
In an effort to prevent a Union Army incursion into east Tennessee, Zollicoffer took the initiative and occupied Cumberland Gap on September 14, 1861. Zollicoffer then was responsible for guarding the 128 mi of Confederate line between Cumberland Gap and Tompkinsville, Kentucky. For 71 miles, this line crossed the Cumberland Mountains. On September 15, 1861, General Albert Sidney Johnston assumed command of Confederate forces in the Western Theater between the Appalachian Mountains and the Mississippi River. He retained Zollicoffer as district commander in east Tennessee.

On September 17, 1861, Zollicoffer sent a force through the Cumberland Gap along the Wilderness Road to drive the Union Army from Barbourville, Kentucky, relieve pressure on the recently established Confederate line at Bowling Green, Kentucky and thwart an expected drive by Union Brigadier General George H. Thomas into eastern Tennessee and the Cumberland Gap by forcing him to retain his force in Kentucky. On September 19, 800 of Zollicoffer's men under Colonel Joel Battle ambushed the Union force of about 150 home guards while they were foraging and pushed them out of Barbourville at the minor Battle of Barbourville. Another detachment of Zollicoffer's force under Colonel James Rains dispersed an encampment of Union recruits at Laurel Bridge, Kentucky, on September 26, 1861, while the Goose Creek Salt Works were attacked by a second Confederate unit under Colonel D. H. Cummings, which carried off 200 barrels of salt. Zollicoffer's force was essentially on a raid and soon withdrew.

In mid-October 1861, a large part of Zollicoffer's force marched 40 mi from Cumberland Gap to London, Kentucky. At the Battle of Wildcat Mountain on October 21, Zollicoffer's force was stymied by a prepared Union force fighting on rugged terrain, and he soon retreated into rural eastern Tennessee, which remained rife with Union sentiment.

Encampment at Mill Springs
In November 1861, Zollicoffer changed strategy and advanced westward, then back into southeastern Kentucky to strengthen Confederate control in the area just south of Somerset. He hoped this would put him in a position to be reinforced by Confederate forces from Bowling Green and to drive Thomas's force from the area. Before he moved west, Zollicoffer left forces to guard the Cumberland Gap and three other approaches to east Tennessee.

Zollicoffer moved west and established an encampment at Mill Springs, Kentucky, (near present-day Nancy, Kentucky) on the south bank of the Cumberland River. By December 6, he had moved his force to the north bank of the river, where he thought he could better support the supply of his men, build fortifications and keep watch on Thomas's force. This was a risky tactic because Zollicoffer's men were poorly equipped, ill-trained and ill-disciplined. They were not properly prepared to meet the growing Union threat and Zollicoffer's expectation that he would solve this problem by receiving supplies and reinforcements at Beech Grove, opposite Mill Springs, was too optimistic. Many of the men in Confederate service in Tennessee who could have reinforced Zollicoffer remained unarmed. Zollicoffer's own reserve force at Knoxville was mostly unarmed.

Under the circumstances in December 1861, without needed supplies or reserves, Zollicoffer was in no position to move against the Union force. On December 20, 1861, Zollicoffer did not respond to a movement by a force under Brigadier General Albin F. Schoepf, who was attempting to provoke Zollicoffer to commit his force to an engagement in the open. Colonel William H. Carroll did not leave Knoxville with his brigade to join Zollicoffer until January 16, 1862. Ultimately, he could bring only a single regiment to Mill Springs, having been ordered to send the rest of his men to Bowling Green.

Unaware of the situation in east Tennessee and of Zollicoffer's plan, on December 8, 1861, Confederate President Jefferson Davis appointed Major General George B. Crittenden to command the district of East Tennessee in order to lead a force into Kentucky. Crittenden assumed command of the district, only to find that the ten regiments he expected to find there did not exist. Crittenden retained Zollicoffer as commander of the 1st Brigade in his army. On December 15, Zollicoffer sent word to Crittenden that Thomas had ten regiments under his command. While lingering at Knoxville for two more weeks, Crittenden sent word to Zollicoffer to move back to the south side of the Cumberland River. Zollicoffer now had only two rafts to cross the swollen river which was nearly at flood stage, so he stayed at Beech Grove on the north side of the river.

On January 1, 1862, Thomas moved from his camp at Lebanon, Kentucky, to join with Schoepf's troops from Somerset. On January 2, Crittenden arrived at Mill Springs and decided the Confederates should attack Thomas before he could join with Schoepf. The Confederate force of about 6,500 men might have withstood an attack within their fortifications, but Thomas's larger force would have the advantage in the open field. Because of the incessant rain and resulting mud, Thomas needed 18 days to move his force and equipment from Lebanon to Logan's Crossroads.

Battle of Mill Springs
On January 18, 1862, Crittenden ordered an advance at midnight, while the two Union forces under Thomas and Schoepf were separated by the rain-swollen Fishing Creek. Zollicoffer led the first brigade toward Logan's Crossroads, while Carroll commanded the following brigade.

After marching 8 mi in a driving rain, Zollicoffer's skirmishers attacked the Union pickets 1 mi south of the intersection of the Mill Springs and Columbia-Somerset roads. The Battle of Mill Springs, sometimes called the Battle of Fishing Creek or the Battle of Logan's Crossroads, a three-hour fight in driving rain, fog and the smoke of battle over thickly wooded ground, followed. The untrained Confederates were totally confused in this situation and their organization was lost. Adding to the confusion, some of the Confederates were wearing blue uniforms.

The 15th Mississippi Infantry Regiment mistook the Union 4th Kentucky Infantry Regiment for blue-clad Confederates. In the confusion, the near-sighted Zollicoffer, wearing a white raincoat, rode into the lines of the 4th Kentucky and began to discuss the problem with the Union colonel, Speed S. Fry. A Confederate aide then rode out of the fog firing at the Union force. Union soldiers returned fire, killing Zollicoffer who had begun to ride away as the incident unfolded. Historian Larry J. Daniel follows some other accounts which claim that Fry recognized and shot Zollicoffer. He further stated that Fry, not Zollicoffer, had ridden into the enemy lines and had begun the conversation, only turning upon Zollicoffer when the Confederate aide rode up. Historian Stuart W. Sanders discusses the encounter at the greatest length and also quotes a subsequent account by Colonel Fry. He states that both officers rode out from their lines and that Fry initially thought Zollicoffer was a Union officer. Fry claimed to have shot Zollicoffer. Other accounts state that Fry also called to a few of his men to fire, although Fry later denied this.

Many of the old Confederate flintlock weapons would not fire in the wet conditions and Zollicoffer's death caused his demoralized men to start a retreat. Thomas sent six regiments against the weak Confederate flank, causing the Confederate line to collapse and retreat to Beech Grove. Crittenden moved the remaining force across the Cumberland River overnight on a small steamboat and a few barges. He left his artillery, mules, equipment and most of his food supply on the north bank, shattering his ordnance and logistical strength

Interment
Federal officials treated Zollicoffer's body with respect. He was embalmed by a Union surgeon and was eventually returned to Tennessee and interred in the Old City Cemetery in Nashville.

Zollicoffer Park
Zollicoffer Park, a Confederate cemetery containing a mass grave of the Confederate fallen, lies just outside Nancy. (There is also a Union cemetery located in Nancy, Mill Springs National Cemetery, the oldest of all National Cemeteries still receiving burials other than Arlington National Cemetery.) This public park receives at least two memorial events each year, one on January 19, and the other on Memorial Day. There have also been re-enactments of the Battle of Mill Springs.

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