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Talk:Culture of Cornwall

Cornish people
This page has been chosen as the current UK Collaboration of the Fortnight. All welcome to join in. Secretlondon 17:12, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Register as a Cornish Wikipedian
At these two pages:

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Bretagne 44 (talk • contribs) 12:34, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Reduce the Cornwall pages
I think the Cornwall page could be reduced now that the Culture of Cornwall and Cornish people pages exist, why double up on the information? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bretagne 44 (talk • contribs) 12:36, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

cleaned up
I have tried to clean up this page, putting it into what I think is a more helpful order. I have also added a short paragraph to explain 'why' cornish traditions differ from the general english, I personally am not a fan of overuse of the word 'celtic' but I felt it was the easiest concise explanation here. I have also added some information on specific musical traditions and a paragraph on folkloric stories.131.111.8.100(WPM) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.8.100 (talk) 15:12, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

art? and dress? film? should be added
should there maybe be a section here about art? There are many artists from cornwall or inspired by cornish landscapes. Mention st. Ives Perhaps? Could also mention celtic knotwork ie. cornwall has the highest dennsity of 'traditional' celtic crosses in the world (acording to a general celtic art expert I talked to), don't know if there would be a reference online anywhere, and that these are still erected eg. for war memorials or millenium etc. Also noting that they are generally simpler than crosses in eg. ireland due to difficulty of carving granite.

There are a fair number of film makers who identify themself as 'cornish film makers', even if they're working in english, there's certainly a concept of a cornish film industry if you look online. Goel fylm kernow and the celtic film festival should prob be mentioned. Hwerow hweg is an abvious point, as is the Govynn Kernewek, perhaps mantion 'kernow's kick ass kung fu Queens'?!

Maybe a section about 'traditional dress?' or clothes originating here I'm not a fan of the idea of 'traditional dress' things but it probably should be mentioned. Theres stuff like fishermans smocks? bal maiden gear? kilts/tartans- prob needing to be unbiased sentence on that one.Don't really know much about that area.

Will add fledgling sections for these, but will leave most of it to others.(WPM) 131.111.8.103 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.8.103 (talk) 23:17, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

The section on cornish kilts should be completey rewritten, There is NO evidence whatsoever of the cornish wearing kilts for more than 60 years. The very obscure carving on a bench of what appears to possibly resemble a kilt is NOT proof, I have seen the carving and it could be a dress, blacksmiths apron etc etc. There is NO written testimony of kilt wearing in cornwall, there is NO eye witness accounts from internel and external sources in britain. The cornish never wore kilts, please change this and stop polluting cornish celtic culture with false histories and accounts, it weakens the cornish position as a celtic nation.

James louis —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.102.194 (talk) 14:55, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The best thing to do, if you know something about the subject, is to change the article yourself. That's what it's all about. If you do, please cite reliable sources to verify your edits. :o) Bretonbanquet (talk) 14:59, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Cornish Food

 * Cornish Food

Bretagne 44 09:55, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

literature
Could the list of books/ authors be reduced...?

Whilst jack clemo and the like are obviously cornish some just seem to be set in cornwall rather than produced by a cornish writer... I dont know what the definition is to be included here! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.8.99 (talk) 22:08, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree, the majority of these authors are/were incommers, the section should be changed to "Stories set in Cornwall" though they hardly seem to come under the heading "Cornish culture." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Serpren (talk • contribs) 05:44, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

We have a situation where 3/4 poets mentioned are not Cornish, and 14/15 authors mentioned are also from outside of Cornwall. Surely these have no place in the "Culture of Cornwall" section? Serpren (talk) 06:40, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

bible
wasn't there an old tranlsation of some bits of the bible? therefore could the word complete be used somewhere in the bit about this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.8.102 (talk) 21:37, 27 April 2006

England
I don't know whether its worth mentioning here that many/most cornish people popularily consider england to start at the tamer... Otherwise I suppose some of the article could be confusing? 131.111.8.98 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.8.98 (talk) 13:23, 04 June 2006 (UTC)

 * It's a small minority that think this and why would it be worth mentioning? Enzedbrit 04:54, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Would need a citation I think (personally I doubt very much if it is 'a small minority').DuncanHill 12:30, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

 * It is a well known thing, there are loads of references in encyclopedias and things its just choosing a good one I suppose. I agree that it is more than a minority, its just most people are fairly forgiving and light hearted with it, theres only a minority that get really annoyed by 'england' references. ( I think there was a survey recently that 60%?? of cornish children would identify as cornish not enlish, but there wouldn't be that many who were actuall campaigning for mebyon kernow or anything!) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.8.99 (talk) 17:52, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Cornish Economy
Where the idea of independence goes horribly wrong.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.151.89.71 (talk) 01:09, 26 June 2006

 * Hi 81.151.89.71, please elaborate. Talskiddy

 * Just ignore it Talskiddy, its just flame bating ;) Mammal4 07:21, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Potential as an English speaking tax haven? EU integration? Free trade areas? Bilateral agreements? Rocketing price of tin, a commodity craved by China and India? Third largest natural harbour in the world? Global satellite station? Larger population than 34 countries? What has Luxembourg got to offer that Cornwall hasn't? Or Montenegro? Or Andorra? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.107.4.214 (talk) 14:12, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Reference
Could somone with back catalogue of Cornish World magazines find the name/date of neil Daveys article on a timeline/history of cornish music, and ad this as the reference to 'a recent tally of bands playing mostly or entirely ccrnish music found over 100.' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.8.103 (talk) 10:53, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Opening paragraph
The opening paragraph;

''Cornwall, though within England, has many cultural differences from the culture of England.[citation needed] These cultural differences are central to the Cornish self-government movement, which advocates ceremonial independence from England. As Cornwall is home of one of the living Celtic languages, it is recognised as one of the six modern 'Celtic nations' by the Celtic Congress and the Celtic League. Many celtic-derived traditions were dying out in the early 20th century but have more recently increased in popularity.''

is rather unweildy and not indicative of the thrust of the article. Combining the 'sle governance" issue is confusing, and the emphasis on language odd. The "celtic derived tranditions dying out" again, just adds to the general oddnes. Could I suggest it should be reduced to"

"Cornwall has a cultural history, as well as cultural events and arts which are unique to the county, some of which are are believd to be celtic in origin." Serpren 05:51, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Cornish food
Isn't it a bit daft that the "Cornish Food" entry on the "Cornwall" page has more information, and is a more varied and informative section than the one on the "Cornish Culture" page? Shouldn't the information be transposed?Serpren (talk) 08:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Cornish sport
The following paragraph is rather illiterate, and contradicts itself;

''Rugby union has the largest following in Cornwall with the Cornish team often drawing very large crowds of supporters, dubbed Trelawny's Army. Football and Cricket are played more, with most villages and towns having clubs, but it is Rugby that captures the imagination and when the Cornish rugby team go to play in the county championships everyone in Cornwall takes big notice of the events. If the side reaches the finals at Twickenham Stadium, home of the English Rugby Union, as many as 50,000 Cornishmen (a tenth of the population) go to see the final. The last success was in 1999, when Cornwall beat Gloucestershire.''

Rugby union has the largest following, but football (soccer) and cricket are played more?

“If the team makes the finals”, which it last did in 1999, hardly makes it a regular event.

Everyone in Cornwall takes big notice of the events?!?

I think this section is in need of a rewrite!Serpren (talk) 07:02, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that "the largest following" refers to fanbase, while "played more" refers to actual players - that is to say, more people go to watch rugby than any other sport in Cornwall, but more people play football and cricket than play rugby. DuncanHill (talk) 13:49, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I think you're right Duncan, but the item is still illiterate, and not of 'encyclopedia" standard, don't you think? I'm happy to rewrite it if given the nod Serpren (talk) 04:54, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

I've changed it to ''Rugby union has a large following in Cornwall. The followers of the county side are dubbed Trelawny's Army. Football and Cricket are played in most villages and towns. Cornwall made the County Championships finals, played at Twickenham Stadium in 1999, with Cornwall beating Gloucestershire to win the cup. ''

I've omitted the estimated attendance by Cornish supporters, as I could find nothing online to back it up.

Anyone who would like to expand, or alter it, please do. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Serpren (talk • contribs) 03:18, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Talk page maintenance
Threads in this page had become rather confused. I have added signatures/timestamps to unsigned comments, and have also returned the threads to their natural order - oldest at the top, newest at the bottom. I have also added a "talk page header" to the top of the page, which has some useful reminders. DuncanHill (talk) 14:22, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Fallacy of historical cornish dress
The section on cornish kilts should be completey rewritten. There is no evidence whatsoever of the cornish wearing kilts for more than 60 years, not several centuries. The very obscure carving on a bench of what appears to possibly resemble a kilt is not evidence of cornish kilt wearing, I have seen the carving and it could be a dress, blacksmiths apron etc. There is NO written testimony of kilt wearing in cornwall, there is no eye witness accounts from internal and external sources in britain. The cornish never wore kilts, please change this and stop polluting cornish celtic culture with false histories and accounts, it weakens the cornish position as a celtic nation.

The accounts of cornish kilt wearing on this article also contradicts the article written specifically on kilts on wikipedia - Although not a traditional component of national dress outside Scotland, the kilt has become recently popular in the other Celtic nations as a sign of Celtic identity.[7] Kilts and tartans can therefore also be seen in Wales, Cornwall, the Isle of Man, Brittany, the Tras-os-Montes region in the North of Portugal, and Galicia in Spain, as well as parts of England, particularly the North East

I would also like to refer you to the curator of the kilt museum and kilt historian Matthew A.C Newsome - http://blog.albanach.org/2005/07/oh-dear.html, http://blog.albanach.org/2005/04/kilt-pan-celtic-garment.html

James louis 78.148.102.194 (talk) 14:59, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Who are you talking to? If you want to change something, change it. Bretonbanquet (talk) 15:20, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

The article has been changed to reflect the history of kilt wearing in cornwall more accurately 78.148.102.194 (talk) 18:21, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Cricket
Some more information about this would be useful: there is certainly a great interest in it in some areas.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 20:54, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * A little more found, but there should be a preference for more sporting content here, rather than under Cornwall given that Sport in Cornwall is a redirect.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 21:20, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * More recently the account of Sport has been made a separate article, with some paragraphs repeated here. Few additions are likely to be needed here.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 21:35, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Overlinking
"Tagging for cleanup - Cornwall et al don't need linking every time they appear". Jza84, Sept. 5 2009--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 21:35, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Cornish Art
should we create a new article on Cornish art, there's a lot more that can be said of it I'm sure, Cornwall is famous for it after all.Bodrugan (talk) 23:23, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

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Cousin Jack cousin Jenny?
What about "cousin Jack" and "cousin Jenny"? Why are these archetypes associated with Cornwall or Cornish culture? As I understand it, Jack and Jenny were the most popular given names at some point circa 1850-1900, but doesn't seem to be mentioned here. Anyone? Donama (talk) 06:20, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The terms are mentioned, but not properly explained, at the Cornish diaspora article. Apparently it's because Cornish emigrants to the US or Australia, mainly in the mining industry, used to claim that they had cousins back at home who were also needing work.  Sources here, here, here, here, etc.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:05, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Liyema Shinta
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Tin mine
I recently identified the mine in the photo at top as Wheal Owles. The file talk on Commons indicated that the photographer themselves didn't know it.

It occurs to me though that Wheal Coates is a much more common symbol of Cornwall and might be a better example for this article.

- Keith D. Tyler ¶ 23:46, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

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Duck sauce

Duck sauce (or orange sauce) is a condiment with a sweet and sour flavor and a translucent orange appearance similar to a thin jelly. Offered at American Chinese restaurants, it is used as a dip for deep-fried dishes such as wonton strips, spring rolls, egg rolls, duck, chicken, fish, or with rice or noodles. It is often provided in single-serving packets along with soy sauce, mustard, hot sauce or red chili powder. It may be used as a glaze on foods, such as poultry. Despite its name, the sauce is not prepared using duck meat; rather it is named as such because it is a common accompaniment to Chinese-style duck dishes.

Ingredients
It is made of plums, apricots, pineapples or peaches added to sugar, vinegar, ginger and chili peppers. It is used in more traditional Chinese cuisine in the form of plum sauce.

Name
It is speculated that the name "duck sauce" came about because its ancestor, tianmian sauce, was first served with Peking duck in China. When the Chinese emigrated to the U.S., they created Chinese dishes that would appeal more to the American palate, and developed a sweeter version of the sauce used in China.

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Talk:CB500T

I did some basic copy & paste actions... ;-)

Rewrite
This article needs to be rewritten with sentences and paragraphs. -- Kjkolb 09:00, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

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User talk:Mel Etitis/Archive 19

RFC on SlimVirgin

 * I have removed some entries under the "evidence of disputed behaviour" that had been inserted by another editor that went beyond the original intent of the RFC. I have ammended the summary of the RFC to list its two specific goals: that SlimVirgin's edit contains too many errors to be reinserted into the article and that she has held herself above any criticism of her edit. There seemed to be a misunderstanding of the scope of the RFC. Hopefully this clarifies. FuelWagon 18:18, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Jacques Derrida
Mel, thank you for your contribution to the ad hominem discussion. I would like you to answer my question regarding circularity there as well if you don't mind.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Derrida/Ad_hominem#All_Overtaken_by_Events_.3F Maprovonsha172 23:35, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

i think you just helped me! if so then thank you! !zddob dod Hamster Sandwich 00:30, 16 July 2005 (UTC

Song lengths
The length style now being exhibited in the "Too Much" section is acceptable as I have used it before. I've made edits to all Spice Girls songs. 64.231.154.102 00:48, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Sorry
You are now under personal attack. I am in over my head. As you can see I am not doing very well. --Melissa --Melissadolbeer 09:14, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Arbitration
Melissadolbeer has opened a request for arbitration that involves you as a member of "Party 1" (at WP:RFAR). 09:30, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Waiting
Hello there, you hypocrite. I'm going to get you soon. I'm gonna find out who you really are and then come over to your measly little university and get you. You better watch out. You didn't watch out for me, did you? Self-absorbed, greedy sysop. You just better watch out coz I'm really fed up with you. Fair warning. Hendyadyoin 10:22, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * This is fascinating stuff, Hendyadyoin. Addressing somebody as "Self-absorbed, greedy sysop" strikes me as an odd way of making friends and influencing people, but this may be attributable to my ignorance of the insights of the latest self-help books. Mel may have some difficulty answering "You didn't watch out for me, did you?" until you provide links to the relevant edits. And can you expand a little on what you mean by "getting" Mel? Inviting yourself over for a cup of tea in his office, perhaps? -- Hoary 10:52, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, quite right. I have some matters to settle with you, too, Hoary, once I figure out who you are (which I probably never will do). Still, I do suppose you've all figured out by now who I am, i.e. not a thirteen-year-old immature, mentally unstable, belligerent, arrogant adolescent. And I think you've got the sense in "getting" Mel - inviting myself over for a game of Russian roulette in his office. Hendyadyoin 12:45, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Gosh, Hendyadyoin, this is terribly exciting! Just remember to point your Russian implement at the fireplace. Don't point it at yourself; these things are terribly messy, and if suicide is on your mind jumping from a bridge is a much more romantic way to go. -- Hoary 12:53, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
 * It is exciting, but why point it at the fireplace when it's not even annoying me? There's a better target. Sarcastic o**. Hendyadyoin 12:59, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

I'm impressed that someone who isn't "a thirteen-year-old immature, mentally unstable, belligerent, arrogant adolescent" does such a good impression of one. I'm looking forward to reading about what happens when he's caught trying to bring a gun through British customs. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 13:02, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Sorry 'bout that, Mel. 'Twas me cousin. James   Bell  10:07, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * BTW, I truly appreciate the amount of attention I receive around here, not to mention the quick and well-written email you sent in reply to mine. Thanks, too, for all your farewell messages - really wonderful to know that I'll be remembered around here. Well, gotta go. James   Bell  10:19, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Your e-mail said that it was to be continued, with a promise of a mysterious confession; I was waiting to reply until I'd heard the whole thing. Still am, in fact. Give your cousin a kiss from me, if that's not a physical impossibility. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 10:32, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Could you help me out here please?
Hi there, I am a new wiki member. It appears that you are a very experienced editor and wikipedia user, so I am sure you will be able to help me out. My IP adress is clearly crossed with someone else's. It just so happens that this individual is a renowned vandal and is despised for adding nonesense to wikipedia. I have an account, and a user page, but I keep getting a new messages announcement. I read them, mostly complaints about "my" edits, but even then the "new messages" message does not go away. Any suggestions? Thank you very much for your time, I would sincerely appreciate any other useful tips you can give me. Please contact me at my user talk page. Banes 16:45, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

 * You seem to be doing all your editing without logging in (including the above message, which you must have signed manually); there are no edits in your contributions list, and nothing on your talk page. Consequently, you're getting messages to whichever IP address you're editing from at the time (you don't ahve a static OP address).  If you log in, you won't have the problem; I've left a Welcome message on your Talk page, which points to some useful links and gives a bit of general advice.  If you have any other problems, feel free to come back here and ask. --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 22:16, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Preston Makedonia Lions FC
Why would you delete a wikify tag with a summary of Reverted edits by Nabla to last version by Mel Etitis, and then go and wikify the article , which shows it was accurately tagged? - Nabla 18:13, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, first, removing a "wikify" tag is normal when you're wikifying the article, but secondly, the tag wasn't really appropriate in the first place. There were a few years that weren't linked (and many people would argue that it's best not to link them unless there's some special relevance to the article), and a couple of minor organisational links (most of the ones that I tried were red).  Disfiguring an article with a tag like that is sometimes necessary (I admit that I often do it myself), but should only be done when there's a serious problem (article in the form of notes, no bolding of the subject or Wikipedia-style summary, etc.)

 * Sorry if my actions seemed confusing, though; I hope that the result was OK anyway. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 22:08, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

 * The result is OK. But it is quite unpleasent to be reverted as if I were a vandal.
 * Sorry for the format mess... I was trying to solve it but you were faster, I got an "edit conflict" error. - Nabla 22:24, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Good job
Read the talk page. The article's called FRAPH, not "Evidence the U.S. was involved with FRAPH." J. Parker Stone 22:27, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

User:PetSounds
Mel, for an idea of what PetSounds considers minor, see Special:Contributions/PetSounds. Everything! Including vandalism (removing complaints concerning him) from talk pages (,, etc.) Just wanted to let you know you are far from being the only one annoyed by him. —  F REAK OF N URxTURE  ( TALK )  10:31, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

Presently, there are 2, and I don't believe Mel is one of them. I wouldn't classify that as a lot. And, to paraphrase another user's words: slagging me off on someone else's talk page is irresponsible and breaking decency codes on Wikipedia. And I doubt Mel wants this on his page. PetSounds 13:41, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Beach Boys/MIU
Hi Mel.... It must have been an accidental slip of the finger that caused me to click m for minor when creating that page. Sorry about that... Thanks for adding the single - indeed it should be part of the discography.

Cheers PetSounds 13:35, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Zora
Just wanted to make you aware of this: Votes for deletion/Shia view of Umar ibn al-Khattab. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Striver (talk • contribs) 17:15, 17 July 2005

song length
Length 3:57 Country House (song) Song Length 13:48 on Debra (song) Endless Love (song) Hello Goodbye Everytime One Sweet Day Wild Wild West (hip hop song)

all these pages, all that i've seen have it "0:00" way. So it seems to be a standard here. even iTunes. so do you want the others playing your rules.

and the next time you want to change the song lengh on the pages made by me. please, do it after you changed it on the hundreds of other song and albums pages if you want it your masterful way so much.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Beautifulstranger (talk • contribs) 17:21, 17 July 2005

Sorry, I thought you were a robot!
Hi, Mel. Congratulations on your 10,000th edit on an article. I came to you before with a question because your welcome to me invited me to ask questions on your talk page, but I don't think I really thanked you for welcoming me. Here's why: when I order a book on Amazon, I get an e-mail two seconds after I press "place your order". It never occurs to me that a real human being typed up that message with all my order details in the two-second delay. Similarly, when I registered with Wikipedia and made some edits and then found your message, it never occurred to me that a real human being had made a decision to welcome me. I've since figured out that it probably isn't generated by the computer, since some people get no welcome for months, and since many people re-use the welcome they got, to send it to another newcomer.

By the way - not now, I'm too busy - I will be asking your help sometime about how to stop Ergative verb from redirecting to Unaccusative verb. I'm not familiar with the latter, other than what the Wikipedia article says, but I studied ergative verbs at Open University - verbs like pour, roll, etc. that allow the same participant to be the subject or the object: I opened the door, the door was opened (by me), the door opened. Perhaps if I wrote a stub about ergative verbs, you wouldn't mind stopping the redirection for me (since you're not a robot)? Thanks. Ann Heneghan 17:59, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks. I will try that next week, when I'm less busy.  Ann Heneghan 20:51, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Will try to look at talk:Adi Shankara
Because of my interest, involvement, and knowledge of Hinduism, I think that I am the right person to comment on this Rfq. Will do so when I have time. At the same time, I am somewhat notorious in Wikipedia for my skeptical and critical attitude towards Hinduism, and gurus, and insistence of having this represented, see talk:gurus. Hope this is not a problem. Andries 21:54, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Besides the Point
It doesn't matter if you didn't understand the English properly or not, the fact is that you know that "Cool" has been released since you've been arguing about the "The song" header for a long time now. If it sounded confusing to you, then why did you not make it sound proper? Don't beat around the bush by saying you could not have done this; you knew the single had been released. DrippingInk 00:43, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

NOT confusing English
"...Being hailed the 'successor' of "Hollaback Girl", and has been put under much pressure to perform as well as its predecessor". These are just the facts. DrippingInk 01:05, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

Has time run out?
I believe the VFD (Authentic Matthew) was unfair. Is there anything that can be done?

--Melissa --Melissadolbeer 08:25, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Has time run out?
I believe the VFD (Authentic Matthew) was unfair. Is there anything that can be done?

--Melissa --Melissadolbeer 08:27, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

English is wrong
You make me giggle. The English is purely correct. We're not being told who is being hailed? "Cool (being hailed..." Hm, I think it says Cool beside the brackets. Please stop it with the excuses. If you didn't like it (which you always seem to feel when I make an edit), you should have just changed it. The song is not still "being released". Now please stop bothering me if you don't have anything else to do. DrippingInk 12:26, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends
Mel, I'm curious as to why you reverted the edits of 195.93.21.5 without explanation. I know the edit wasn't acompanied by sources on the article or talk page, but it looked plausable at least (I don't know whether it was true or not). In that situation a reversion with edit summary and a note on the article talk and/or user's talk would seem apropriate. I'm presuming you had a reason for using rollback? The user's talk page suggests the IP is dynamic as there are comments from two very short activity periods, one in March and one in early June, and the edits really don't feel like the same as the cartoon vandal would make. Thryduulf 22:53, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Mel
Mel, please stop it with your overall rude behavior and stop threatening me with your personal attacks. This isn't the first time I was told not to do such a thing? Excuse me, first of all, I don't tihnk I've ever changed a redirect before that dealt with you so stop accusing me of this, or I'll pull your personal favorite trick and accuse you of personally attacking me. Second, I'm going to have to move the articles back, because you moved them to the wrong title in the first place. The name of the song is "Crazy In Love". (That also applies to Me, Myself And I (not Me, Myself, and I). And please stop removing the headers. We already had an RFC discuss the matter for "Cool" and "Since U Been Gone" and you continue to be childish and revert back the songs like you do these songs, even though a third party already agreed that "the song" part was OK. OmegaWikipedia 23:53, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

User Soltak:Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars
You seem to have misplaced the punctuation with this page, so I moved it from article space (redirect remains). I just happened to see it on New Pages. I then noticed on User talk:Soltak that there appears to be some conflict concerning this page, which I really don't want to get involved in... --Uppland 10:00, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Colby Donalson
Please see my response in the talk section http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Colby_Donaldson. If you would like more examples, I would happy to provide up to 50 more, but anything beyong that point I think it would be a waste of my time. AriGold 12:42, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Crazy In Love
Mel. Mel. Mel. According the the history logs: You created an article called "Crazy In Love" and pointed it to "Crazy in Love". Then edited "Crazy in Love" into a self-redirect. The comments there and to OmegaWikipedia indicate you thought you were doing something very different. You are confused again. 4.250.132.22 14:08, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Reply
Mel, once again, I want to know what exactly do you think you're going to do if you keep threatening us. If you want to talk cool, fine, but I find it really rude how you always threaten some nasty action if we don't listen to your ways (and I've seen that you threathen a lot of other people too). Please stop acting like a bully, nobody appreciates it. We might listen more if you actually reasoned with us like a normal person.

As for the "song" heading, only 2 people? This is something I can't understand especially you as an admin doing. We had a dispute, we resolved it, yet you still had to have your way. What type of reasoning is that? And if you look at the Talk Pages, more than "2 people" have thought that some heading was needed. I know you wormed your way out of the RFC with some semantical jumble about to revert the articles (and thats the main reason, Im reverting the articles. If the admin can just revert back to the way he feels the song heading should be after the RFC is resolved, its hard to maintain any type of direction. You don't follow the rules either I guess. You just seem to do whatever you fancy. Like that time, you kept changing back the "Cool" article, even though everyone disagreed with you, or for Love. Angel. Music. Baby, you keep stating that Cool was not released yet, even though it already had a video and had been released to radio!

Some of your editing is just plain "bad". If the name of the remix is "Hero (Morales Dark Club Dub Mix)", please don't change it into "Hero (Morales dark club dub mix). I understand your naming conventions and all, but at the same time, please use some thought and understanding. I would hope you would look at an article for what it is, and not just correct articles like some bot with no soul or understanding what looks reasonable.

Now, as for the title, I think we really should change them back. Mel, please stop being such a stickler for the rules, and look at a song for how it is. The song is called "Vision Of Love", not "Vision of Love". This is really ridiculous, and Ive never seen anybody who would name the song like that. It's not a phrase, that is the name of the song. If there is a rule against this, there shouldnt be, because we are dealing with songs.

Can I ask, why are you even doing this? Tell me, do you honestly like the music or have an interest in this? I think you'll probably say something like no you don't, but of course the articles violate Wikipedia style, and you have to come rescue it. If you don't even like the music, you know, it would just be easier for everyone if you would walk away. OmegaWikipedia 15:06, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Re:Vandalism in progress
Someone has added your name to Vandalism in progress, which is clearly a set-up of some type. I know that you would never vandalize a page, and you should check that out immediately. There must be someone around here that wants you to get blocked, so please defend yourself. Horatii/Dbraceyrules 15:10, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Alright, now I have more info. The user was Soltak, and he left a message saying you vandalized "Woodrow Wilson International Center For Scholars on several occasions, redirecting to a page of inferior quality with much less encycolpedic value. The capitilization is in error, but was created via a link of the 'requested articles' page and certainly doesn't merit complete delete while the issue is being resolved." Take care, Horatii/Dbraceyrules 15:15, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Wikifying
Could you wikify the changes you made to the Spice Girls "Stop" to all of their songs? I can't seem to figure out what you've made adjustments to. 64.231.113.125 15:19, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism?
Can you please explain why you thought I was engaging in vandalism on May 8th? I have never done anything of the sort and sending general messages claiming as much without context is unhelpful and childish.

Hey
Hey, man, stop picking on and harrasing everyone. It's one thing when I have a problem with your edits. It's another thing when people actually complain to me on my page about your behavior. You're really causing a lot of problems trying to appoint yourself as some god sent "fixer" of those articles. So if you'd please stop, we'd avoid all this drama. OmegaWikipedia 16:20, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

You are ruining the Mariah Carey articles. There is no official policy stating that #37 cannot be used instead of number thirty-seven especially when in reference to a chart position, agreed that for other things No.37 seems more appropriate. Naming Conventions, yes, argues that words such as "and" and "at" should not be capitalised, but the chart positions remains something that is not considered unacceptable and is used widely in many articles. Please STOP editing this back to the words and if you have problems, start a discussion on a talk page where people can voice their opinions and hopefully some form of decision can be reached. Ultimate Star Wars Freak 00:47, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Page move
Hi, Mel. I was trying to move Persian Soviet Socialist Republic to the proper name Persian Socialist Soviet Republic, but as a result of a mistake I made the article is now Persian SovietSocialist Republic, and because of the redirects I can't move the article to the proper title. I listed it on the requested moves page, but no one has done anything yet. It would be much appreciated if you could fix this if you are able to do so. Thanks. SouthernComfort 19:18, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes, that's fine. Thanks again for taking care of this. SouthernComfort 22:08, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

John Hemphill
I realize it might change, I just feel rather weird not properly citing references. There is the bioguide, but that doesn't acknowledge the Handbook of Texas ref, and there's no one place in there for an inline citation. Although they are external links, that does not convey the fact that they are the sources of all the information. --Laura Scudder | Talk 19:47, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

 * What made me think I should do it is an ongoing discussion of what constitutes plagarism in Wikipedia and when sources should be explicitly referenced. It made me feel a bit self-conscious about just using External links instead of References, but I definitely understand your point.  --Laura Scudder | Talk 01:34, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Simon Dubnow/Dubnov
The Wiki entry for the great Jewish historian Simon Dubnov has his name spelt "Dubnow". However, in the references I have uncovered, including many history book I have, his name is spelt "Dubnov". I don't want to start any spelling edit war, so I need some input on this matter. Thanks!

TruthCrusader

Statement by gay biographer, David Ehrenstein
I sent David Ehrenstein, an expert on Hollywood's gay scene, this email:

 * Dear David Ehrenstein,

 * As you are an expert on Hollywood gays, may I ask you to have a look at the following Wikipedia articles and the related discussion pages:

 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Adams
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nick_Adams
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalie_Wood
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Natalie_Wood
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bret
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:David_Bret
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elvis_Presley

 * There has been a dispute whether actors such as Nick Adams were gay or Natalie Wood had contacts to many gay men in Hollywood circles. Some users have repeatedly deleted contributions to these articles which claimed that Nick Adams and other stars were gay. Perhaps you can help.

Here is Ehrenstein's quick but precise reply to my email:

 * "I can't access those links you sent me. But Nick Adams was gay and Natalie Wood was Grace to any number of Hollywood Wills."

You may ask him for further information: david AT ehrensteinland DOT com

I think this statement by an expert who had access to many primary and secondary sources undoubtedly proves that Adams was gay. 80.141.243.119 13:07, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Without reading the articles, he used exactly the same phrase that the journalist used in the piece you quoted originally? Is this in fact the same person?  (Incidentally, I find Will and Grace unwatchably bad, but my understanding is that being a "Grace to a Will" means sharing a flat and being a friend...)
 * In any case, I don't know enough to gauge the claim that he's an expert (if such an animal is possible here), and in any case his opinion doesn't really stand as an adequate source for Wikipedia. I personally don't care a flying fox whether or not any of these people was gay, but I bowed out of all this when you refused to accept the compromise when it was offered.  Wikipedia is about compromise and consensus. --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 13:24, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

 * David Ehrenstein is author of the book, Open Secret: Gay Hollywood, 1928-2000 and has written many other articles concerning Hollywood gays. See and  Many would call him a real authority and expert on the matter. I refused to accept the compromise because I was not satisfied with the arguments that had been urged by my opponents Wyss and Ted Wilkes and the totally mutilated information which misses some of the main points. The problem is that user Wyss has repeatedly deleted additional material I have included in the article, also material which has nothing to do with the claims of homosexuality. I think the following facts, supported by Wood biographers such as Gavin Lambert (2004) and Suzanne Finstad (2001), should be added to the article on Natalie Wood:

I stopped to include this material in the Wood article, as I would like to discuss it first, but the other users, Wyss and his alter ego, Ted Wilkes, do not discuss these facts which can be found in the biographies. They are only accusing me of vandalism, etc. As requested, I have now also written articles on The Boys in the Band (play) and Gavin Lambert. 80.141.235.16 14:14, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 1. Natalie Wood's mother controlled the young girl's career and personal life from her start in films at the age of five. Natalie's father is described as a passive alcoholic who went along with whatever his wife demanded.
 * 2. At the age of 16 she celebrated her release from child-star status by sleeping with her director on Rebel Without a Cause, Nicholas Ray, and her co-star Dennis Hopper. This is indeed confirmed by the biographers.
 * 3. Natalie Wood certainly was in close contact with many men in Hollywood circles who biographer Gavin Lambert emphasizes were gay, including director Nicholas Ray and actors Nick Adams, Raymond Burr, James Dean, Tab Hunter, Scott Marlowe and playwright Mart Crowley. All their names should be mentioned, as these men played an important role in her life. Her contacts with Raymond Burr and Tab Hunter, for instance, have not yet been mentioned in the article. I don't know why. Tab Hunter himself said he was a frequent companion of Natalie Wood at the request of Warner Brothers, which had both stars under contract. They would attend parties to promote films like The Burning Hills even though he was gay - not publicly at the time - and she was still in her teens. Suzanne Finstad, author of Natasha: The Biography of Natalie Wood (2001) who received the Frank Wardlaw Prize for literary excellence for her first book, says that Mart Crowley "worked for them for many years, many years. She also hired his boyfriend." Finstad also says that Raymond Burr enhanced Natalie’s life and that he loved Natalie. "When I was talking to Dennis Hopper about that, he was saying I just cant wrap my mind around that one. But you know, I saw them together. They were definitely a couple. Who knows what was going on there." That most of these men were gay, is a sigificant fact which should be mentioned in the article. Wood's fundamental sympathy for, and support of, gay people in Hollywood, at a time when many homosexual stars were forced to marry straight woman in order to provide a safe cover for their true sexual orientation, is a very important aspect of her life and demonstrates her social engagement for minorities.

Dear Mel, I am so sorry, but the edit war is going on. Yesterday, user Wyss has, without reason, deleted one short paragraph which made reference to Adams possible homosexuality and which was a compromise. This is not O.K. I have now included two additional passages in the Nick Adams article, but user Wyss has repeatedly deleted this text:

 * 1. At about the same time Adams was also a close friend to Elvis Presley. This is confirmed by Red West, member of the 'Memphis Mafia' (pals and employees of Elvis), and Judy Spreckels, the platonic girlfriend of Elvis in the early days of the singer's career.

 * It should be added that there are photographs showing Elvis together with Adams. So it is quite clear that Adams and Elvis had been close friends at that time. See and

 * 2. According to several sources, Adams had homosexual leanings. In his 2004 biography Natalie Wood: A Life, Gavin Lambert writes, "Her first studio-arranged date with a gay or bisexual actor had been with Nick Adams..." In 1972, Sal Mineo stated that Adams told him that he had a big affair with James Dean. The book Elvis: The Hollywood Years (David Bret, 2002) even claims Elvis Presley was intimate with Adams. That the singer had an affair with Adams is also confirmed by Elvis's stepmother, Dee Presley. However there are no court records, contemporary letters or statements attributed to Adams to support the rumours that Adams was homosexual.

 * The reputed biographer Lambert, who also worked for many years as a Hollywood screenwriter, was a lifelong friend of Wood's. Sal Mineo was in close contact with both Adams and Dean. It should also be noted that in the Hollywood world Adams is more widely known for his contacts and affairs with other well-known stars than his acting career. So his affairs with James Dean and Elvis Presley are of much importance.

 * In my opinion, the last sentence, written by Wyss, is not necessary as many Hollywood homosexuals did not "out" themselves, but I am willing to make this concession to user Wyss. I have only cited what is written in independent books and articles (see discussion page). I think this is in line with the Wikipedia guidelines. In addition, gay biographer David Ehrenstein, who has written a book on Hollywood gays, sent me an email in which he confirmed the assertion that Adams was gay (see above and Talk:Nick Adams. Further, user Wyss is unable to cite any sources which undoubtedly prove that Adams was heterosexual. Perhaps you can help. 80.141.255.226 23:11, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

 * The anon apprently does not understand that he's the only one who has to prove anything about his assertions.

 * The anon contiunually takes this discussion onto the talk pages of admins and bureaucrats, not on the related talk pages, where I think it belongs.

 * The anon almost always mis-represents my statements and actions to the point of misleading readers.

 * The anon has not provided reliable sources, only published, undocumented gossip, which has for the most part appeared only decades after the celebrities in question died.

 * I sincerely believe that the anon has been attempting to use the Nick Adams and Natalie Wood articles as a basis for seeding the Elvis Presley article with the ord homosexual in an attempt to distort search engine results.

 * The anon has refused all offers of compromise, he seems to offer a choice of his way, or his way.

 * The anon copies large quantities of his own repeated posts along with copy pasted WP policy statements onto the talk pages, slowing down and confusing reasonable discussion.

 * The anon seems to usually mis-interpret WP policy as to sources.

 * The anon is reminded that the absence of evidence is not that same as the presence of evidence, it is the opposite of the presence of evidence. Wyss 23:20, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Where are your sources, Wyss, which undoubtedly prove that all the independent sources I have cited are wrong? It is only your personal opinion that these sources may not be reliable enough. Interestingly, Wyss and Ted Wilkes again seem to take turns in doing repeated reverts in order to delete what I have written, presumably to escape violation of the three revert rule. See Nick Adams. This supports my suspicion that Wyss and his alter ego Ted Wilkes try to suppress specific references to homosexuality in some Wikipedia articles on Hollywood's gays. Significantly, I am the person involved in this edit war who frequently cites different sources which all prove that Adams was gay, and Wyss/Ted Wilkes is the person who is constantly disparaging these sources - in lack of further evidence supporting his view. Wyss even does not tell the truth as he has stated above that I have "not provided reliable sources, only published, undocumented gossip, which has for the most part appeared only decades after the celebrities in question died." This is what I call ignoring facts. Certainly the Wood biography by Lambert is a reliable source, as the author, who died some days ago, was a reputed writer and much involved in Hollywood's gay scene during the 1950s and 60s. He must have known that Wood's friend Adams was gay. See also this photograph showing Elvis, Natalie Wood and Nick Adams: . Further, there is a statement by gay actor Sal Mineo in a book which was published as early as 1972 that Adams had an affair with James Dean. And I am sure that there are further sources from the period which gay biographers such as David Ehrenstein must have used to support their view that Adams had homosexual leanings. Last not least, there is no absence of evidence as Wyss wrongly claims, because every source I have cited says that Adams was gay. 80.141.234.124 00:45, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

 * As I've said repeatedly, I don't need to provide any sources. If you would like to edit the above-described assertion into the article, please provide a secondary source which cites documented evidence supporting the assertion. As yet, you have not done this. Please see the talk page for details. Wyss 00:49, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Sue you sir
Has G Di Stef issued you with the threatened libel writ yet? And do we know it's actually him editing his page!!?? --mervyn 15:22, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Something for you to do
I have found a page that requires no new information, but heavy edits as most of its English is a mess. Since you're an English professor, I come to you assuming that you will correct the page, and wikify it if necessary. The page is the following: Termina. Yes, that's right. Termina. Have fun, if you do edit it! DrippingInk 16:04, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

Another reply
You're accusing me of anarchy? This is rich. Then explain this to me, Mel. (Although I'm guessing you probably won't respond to this, as you ignored me rudely when I tried to politely talk to you about this before). You put up an RFC concerning "Cool" and "Since U Been Gone". The issue also concerns "Behind These Hazel Eyes" and other various articles in which you keep removing the song header. Most people from the discussions page agreed that having a "Song" header was OK. You didn't like it, and went for the RFC. Fair enough. You said that the first section was too small for a header. So to compromise, I expanded the section and the third party agreed. However, you just decided to change it back anyway even after the compromise. Is this your what you call "community", Mel? And Mel, don't even think about worming out of this situation by claiming that the 3rd party was talking about the content of the article; no, you and I both know the issue was about having the first header. Am I "stubborn" and "agrresive" for trying to resist your "stubborn and "aggresive" edits? I know I'm not alone, and that you seem to be causing a great ruckus among many articles. It seems like when you make an edit, and people disagree, they're wrong, but when you make other people make edits, and you disagree, they're still wrong. You claim to be an admin, Mel and that you follow the rules. Then show it Mel, and follow through when a compromise has been reached, even if its one you dont like. Don't keep chaning the song header back because you don't like the way it looks.

And when dealing with music charts and stats, its normal dor people to use stats like #1 and #25 and so on. If you don't like numbers so much, why don't you go to an entry like Pi or a baseball player's entry like Derek Jeter and edit out all those numbers? But of course, you wouldn't because it would be ridiculous to spell out Derek's batting average of .306 as Point Three Zero Six. By the same token, it's outrageous that you actually want to spell out chart stats when its normal to list out the numbers like that. If entries involving math and science and stats from sports are allowed to use that notation, music stats should not be treated differently.

Editing the titles of the remixes is ridiculous too. Remixes have set exact titles. No, the name of the remix in TGTBAW is not "Alternative", it's exactly "Alt". At the end of the day, if you have an issue with some grammar, then fine. Go ahead, have fun, and lowercase some things, insert your commas, and enjoy yourself. I don't have an issue with that. But when, you keep taking out headers, using weird chart notation, and ruining the titles of remixes, and overall screwing up the articles, that's where I think I have to disagree with you. I've tried very politely to compromise with you before, but you always lash out personal insults and threats, and refuse to listen and think all your edits must stay. I hope you can get off your pedestal and we can reach some middle ground. But if not, hmm...

OmegaWikipedia 16:17, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Ernst Tugendhat
There's VfD running on philosopher Ernst Tugendhat. Could you please give your opinion and possibly fix the worst mistakes here? Thanks. Pavel Vozenilek 16:55, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for helping - seeing your Talk page I start to fully understand the word superbusy. Pavel Vozenilek 18:12, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

The greatest philosopher
El C drew my attention to this, though you probably know about it already. Which one of these would have your vote? SlimVirgin (talk) 17:28, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

 * Oh, I didn't know Marx had won. How odd. SlimVirgin (talk) 17:57, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

Armenian quote
Hi, I have posted a modified version of Armenian quote(Hitlers reference), at the talk page of the entry. I need your comment. Thanks. Fadix (My Talk) 18:49, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

RfC on Ultramarine
There is a RfC on Ultramarine []. I commented at some length on his behavior on DPT and cited your comments on his PoV. Septentrionalis 00:29, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks from Melissa
I have read your message and it makes a great deal of sense. The truth is that Poorman and I are husband and wife and we have decided to provide Wikipedia with documented proof of this via snail mail if necessary, or even use a web cam or conference call. The statements that Ril has made are false.

Our situation has been complicated by the fact that my mother-in-law has been in a life-threatening car accident and we are not going to be available for the next couple of weeks. Thank you once again for your help and good advice. --Melissadolbeer 05:26, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Got to go
I just noticed something very strange: when you blocked Ril on July 9th he was almost immediately unblocked by Theresa knott. I definitely feel something is not right here (see arbitration). Would you please look into this as quickly as possible? I believe she is about to do something. If I am wrong, I will apologize most humbly. --Melissadolbeer 08:12, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Mel I've replied to Melissa directly over this here Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 17:55, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Date format
I saw that you changed some dates in John Mercer Langston, by removing the ",". According to Manual of Style (dates and numbers): the previous style (with comma) seems better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cate (talk • contribs) 20:00, 21 July 2005
 * Day Month Year
 * February 17, 1958
 * 17 February 1958

Hurt feelings
Thank you. I stand corrected, insulted, and demeaned. You certainly have discouraged me from being a part of Wikipedia. greengrocer —Preceding unsigned comment added by RogerK (talk • contribs) 02:10, 22 July 2005

Irony?
You've repeatedly tried to get me to engage in civilisized mature discussion? Mel, I hope you were joking or being ironic, because nothing could be further from the truth. I've been trying to talk to you calmly, and all I ever got were threats and rants from you. I'm not sure where you were going with that, but all your comments seem to be filled with innuendo and threats, as those you're trying to intimidate us (which if you are is kind of weak), and if you aren't then your behavior is just plain unexplainable. Maybe I think you're redirecting your misplaced anger at the wrong subjects. Where is this anger coming from? Did you have a bad childhood or something? If you have some personal issues, maybe you should talk to someone, or I could even talk to you about them. But there is no need to misplace your anger with rants and threats on Wikipedia. I know you can do better than that.

So how many people do you want to comment on the RFC? Enough until you get your way?

And Mel, don't even try to insult me by thinking that I don't know how the human language works. Oh, I think I know how it works. But at the same time, you're showing a bias against music (not to mention a disrespect of the field of musical stats). And Mel, looks you avoided the point again...how does a number like Pi get spelled? And if you actually looked at the page of Derek Jeter, you'll see many numbers spelled out. Or maybe I shouldn't tell you this, then you'll go on a a frenzy and ruin all the pages of baseball players too. But the bottomline, this is standard practice for musical stats, and your edits show a lack of respect and knowledge about the field.

What? What part of "currently on the radio" don't you understand? No, that is not the "jargon of music journalism". How else would anyone interpret that? I would have to seriously question the intellgence of someone who gets confused by that statement. And I am trying to resolve this matter too, but when you keep changing things due to your style and inapporpriately hoarding articles, then we make no progress. I can only extend an olive branch, Mel, but I can't make you accept it, if you refuse to. OmegaWikipedia 10:02, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Hi9

 * 1) Our respective comments are a matter of record.
 * 2) I've answered your question about pi.
 * 3) I've no doubt that other Wikipedia articles include mistakes and non-Wiki-style; that's why many, many editors spend a lot of their time correcting them.
 * 4) "Currently on the radio" tells me little or nothing. Which radio?  Where?  What does "on the radio" tell me about the status of the single?  What's wrong with saying (as I did in my correction) that the single had been released in July 2005?
 * 5) I've corrected articles in line with correct English, encyclopædic style, and the Wikipedia MoS; you've repeatedly reverted my edits, usually without even an edit summary (even though other editors have intevened and pointed out that your actions are unreasonable). I'm not interested in olive branches, but in sensible, collaborative editing. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 21:47, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

1.) What? 2.) Where? 4.) No, it tells you all need to know. It's being solicited on radio stations. Everywhere. Release usually refers to a commericial release. 5.) Like who? Your actions have been called out by a lot more people as very unreasonable. You're not interested in an olive branch? This is the type of attitude and bad behavior from you that works compromise impossible. Everyyime, I try to talk to you, I get agressive and snobbish replies. OmegaWikipedia 11:21, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Yes, his actions would be called out by me as very unreasonable too. 84.142.167.206 22:44, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Langer
Hi, I don't understand your reason for describing "Langer" as a disguised personal attack. It's utterly baffling. There word is simply a part of Cork speech, and in my opinion the article is an exceptionally good one. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 23:27, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

When I first came across the article (which has been recreated a number of times in different forms; when I first saw it, its sole content was: "Person from Ireland, who is know as a bit of a fool. Slang word for idiot.") I asked a friend from Cork, who told me that he'd never heard the word, and suggested that the article was a heavily disguised attack on someone called "Lang", "Laing", or possibly "Langer". As I already had my suspicions, I was perhaps too quick to take his word. In any case, though, I see that the article was VfDed, and the vote was to transfer it to Wiktionary. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 08:41, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree that it was decided that the article should be wiktionaried (not deleted) nearly a year ago. Now please stop repeatedly deleting the Wikipedia article.   It's extremely frustrating to see you doing this for no discernible reason.  --Tony Sidaway|Talk 12:05, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm a bit confused; you seem to have recreated the article, against VfD, and added the "wiktionary" tag. I assume that that's not really what's happened, and that I'm missing something, but I can't work out what. --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 17:28, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * The VfD, decided last year before the recent vote on transwiki deletions, resulted only in a decision to transwiki. There was no deletion result.  Moreover the current article is patently more an encyclopedia article than a dictionary article. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 17:39, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

I take "transfer" to mean "move" — that is, removed from one place to another. That certainly is how I read the VfD debate. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 17:47, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Well that problem here is that another interpretation is possible--and indeed there was at the time, as far as I'm aware, no practice of deleting transwikied pages. The article was deleted out of process, and with no justification that I can discern. There were only two delete votes, and one of those expressed as "very weak".  It was also closed irregularly--Rossami had voted in the discussion and then went on to close it.  If there really is a terribly pressing reason to delete this perfectly good article, it should be VfD'd. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 19:02, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * The proposer can surely be taken to have voted "delete, which makes three — and one of the "keep" votes was also "weak". Another way of putting it is that there were only two "keep votes, one of which was "weak".  But the route to take if you really believe that the article was deleted out of process is to nominate it for undeletion. --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 20:29, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * No, bad speedies can be summarily restored. I do this daily, we'd lose a good many useful articles if I didn't. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 20:35, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I should have mentioned that I've raised this issue at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Langer, in an attempt to get other opinions, and I've copied our discussion there. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 20:33, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * No problems. Please feel completely free to discuss Wikipedia matters anywhere on Wikipedia. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 21:59, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

List of purported cults VfD
Mel: Please see the VfD on List of purported cults. I have participated heavily in this article, but now I am siding with supporting deletion. I think that it is being used as a way to throw mud at religious groups that are not mainstream and thus inherently POV. Read and vote if you wish at Votes_for_deletion/List_of_purported_cults/2 I think that it is an important precedent in regard to many lists in Wikipedia and their ability to attain NPOV. Thanks.--ZappaZ 04:43, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Wikilinking dates
Then why in the world did you wikilink the months in the "Stop" article? These actions resulted me in wikilinking the dates in each of the Spice Girls singles. And would you please leave that article alone? First you were picking to "Too Much", now it's "Stop". And "Stop" wants you to "stop". Thank you. DrippingInk 13:20, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

Dinks
Could you drop me a note on the history of this Dink individual that User:ChadBryant seems to be having so much trouble with? Thanks. Kelly Martin 22:02, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

It would appear that the only problem with your list is that it can't keep up with the speed and scale of these sockpuppets]], thanks for doing your part in helping out though, we're doing the best we can to stop these guys, I think we're up to 25-30 now by my count. Jtkiefer 22:55, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

Category:Early muckrackers
Mel -- this category is inappropriately titled. The term is obviously "muckrakers." Does this type of change take an admin's "powers?" If so, would you like to do the honors? Thank you for your work -- I see your name quite often around the site. WBardwin 06:03, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

 * In modern terms, the term is very POV. But there was a strong historic tradition of 19th century US journalists and activists proudly using the term -- raking up all the muck on the robber barons and corruption in  government. (---from my political point of view -- we need them again.)  It would probably be more POV to use "emerging journalists" - but I will look for articles using the term and see how it has been defined in Wiki. Could you delete "Category talk:Early muckrackers" too?

 * Sorry for the stuttering entries to your talk page. Almost every edit I made yesterday posted more than once.  Who knows why.  Thanks for your help.  WBardwin 18:01, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Image:AllamaIqbalyoung.jpg
Source U asked to the source of Image:AllamaIqbalyoung.jpg.--Sheikhu 09:57, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

:Category:Greek films
Are you sure that all "Greek films" are all "Greek language films"? Thet Greece did not and will not produce films in any other language? mikka (t) 16:51, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

RE: Music articles
You are the only one that is vandalizing the "Vision of Love" article. Nowhere on Wikipedia does it say that chart statisitcs should be written out in words. That is ridiculous. Even official Billboard and other music articles write chart positions as NUMERALS and not words. According to Manual of Style (dates and numbers), it says "Numbers may be written as words or numerals. Editors should use a consistent guideline throughout an article." The article was already consistent, and there was no need for you to change all the numbers into words. The article should also be consistent with the other 30 articles about Mariah Carey's songs where all the numbers are written out in numerals. Wikipedia rules never state anything against having a "Theme and influence" section. That section is also present in all Mariah's song articles, so there is no need for you to revert that. Also, the "Chart trajectory" section is included in all of Mariah's song articles and is a very interesting piece of information for chart fans. You are continuously removing that as well. While you keep reverting the "Vision of Love" article, you are reverting good edits as well. There are at least 10 edits dealing with links and additional info that you have reverted just because you want the article to fit your OWN personal style. You are the one that is vandalizing the article. Do not say that you are following Wikipedia guidelines when are not. And what are the NUMBER of articles that you are accussing me of vandalizing? You are unbelieveable. --Musicpvm 17:20, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

 * 1) I haven't altered the charts, only those parts of the article that are normal text. I've done this in accordance with normal Wikipedia prctice, and with every manual of style I've ever seen.  Journalists, being often pressed for space, use many abbreviations, including numerals for numbers, which we don't have to (and which normal reference works don't either).  Incidentally, the articles didn't use numerals consistently, but mixed them with spelt-out numbers (especially ordinals).
 * 2) We don't follow Billboard or other music-journalism style.
 * 3) The "Theme and influences" says nothing about the theme and influences (and a section is in any case unnecssary there).
 * 4) I have no idea what the "Chart trajectory section is supposed to mean, but as it stands it's a string of unexplained numbers. Wikipedi isn't fanzine, and its articles shouldn't be understandable only by fans.
 * 5) I've done my best to retain good-faith edits while revrting the bad-faith ones. As you've been reverting both wholesale, I believe the adage about throwing stones and living in glass houses is appropriate.
 * 6) I didn't accuse you of vandalising a number of articles; I said that you had joined the editors who are vandalising a number of articles. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 19:08, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Stop removing inuse
Hi, stop removing my inuse. It says As a courtesy, please do not edit this article while this message is displayed I'm reading that you make a lot of noise here. Stop it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.142.136.204 (talk • contribs) 11:10, 25 July 2005

 * You have placed this on two articles; in both cases you made a controversial edit at the same time, and then did nothing more. The template isn't a way of protecting your edits against interference.  If you do the same thing again, I'll treat it as vandalism, and block you from editing for a period.  If you want genuinely to make substantial edits to those articles then do so — but there's no need for the "inuse" template in any case, as neither article is being edited intensively. --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 10:17, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

British English vs. American English Punctuation
Thanks for the lesson, Mel. I had no idea. :) Fernando Rizo T/C 15:39, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Authentic Matthew
The previous VFD on this article was effectively sabotaged multiple (in some cases self-admitted) sockpuppetry, and was closed as "inconclusive" - i.e. it was not possible for the closing admin to determine what the votes actually were (as opposed to "no consensus").

Due to the sockpuppetry etc. involved previously, if you have under 200 edits prior to the re-opening of this VFD (which was at 00:40, 25 July 2005 (UTC)) your vote is likely to be discounted (particularly if you sign as another user, and make comments as if you were the other user rather than yourself)???????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikefar (talk • contribs) 17:01, 25 July 2005

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Ocee

Ocee may refer to two locations in the United States:

 * Ocee, Georgia
 * Ocee, Texas

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Know-It-All: One Man's Humble Quest to Become the Smartest Person in the World

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep -- Francs2000 | Talk 11:34, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

The Know-It-All: One Man's Humble Quest to Become the Smartest Person in the World
No vote. This was restored (I presume) as a result of the VfU debate, where most voters requested it be listed here. -Splash 17:21, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Real, non-vanity-press book. Given the stubbiness of this article and A.J. Jacobs (who appears to be a notable journalist), it might be best to simply Merge this into the author's article. I wouldn't oppose keeping it outright. android  79  17:28, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge Interesting description, not in A. J. Jacobs. Septentrionalis 17:37, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge or failing that, Keep CanadianCaesar 19:13, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge - I don't see the need to keep what little can be said beyond what is already in the author's article. - Tεx  τ  urε  21:34, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge to A.J. Jacobs.-Poli (talk • contribs) 23:49, 2005 July 25 (UTC)
 * Keep, or failing that merge. Worth keeping just to cite P.J. O'Rourke's endorsement: "The Know-It-All is a terrific book. It's a lot shorter than the encyclopedia, and funnier, and you'll remember more of it. Plus, if it falls off the shelf onto your head, you'll live." --Tony Sidaway|Talk 02:29, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, seems like people become deletionists because they want to be able to read the entire wikipedia. Kappa 13:38, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and expand your horizons. —RaD Man (talk) 14:46, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, the subject is notable enough on its own. --Sn0wflake 00:12, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Yes, it's a simplistic stub at present, but I think any book that sells widely is deserving of an article -- there's no reason to restrict ourselves to canon literature, and we certainly haven't done so in the past. Jwrosenzweig 00:51, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge, Pavel Vozenilek 02:56, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - Andrew Denton interviewed the author about this book on his Enough Rope show on ABC. Notable. - Ta bu shi da yu 03:50, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - A subject of such special interest to all encyclopaedians, should have an article of its own. Lumos3 13:28, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Why would you merge? Books always have their own articles by convention. It allows linking to the book title, adding pictures of the book cover, etc... Stbalbach 13:46, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep; notable enough. --Merovingian (t) (c) 08:16, August 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep; Books have their own articles, notable enough. Fbergo 08:20, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Periodic acid–Schiff stain

Periodic acid–Schiff (PAS) is a staining method used to detect polysaccharides such as glycogen, and mucosubstances such as glycoproteins, glycolipids and mucins in tissues. The reaction of periodic acid oxidizes the vicinal diols in these sugars, usually breaking up the bond between two adjacent carbons not involved in the glycosidic linkage or ring closure in the ring of the monosaccharide units that are parts of the long polysaccharides, and creating a pair of aldehydes at the two free tips of each broken monosaccharide ring. The oxidation condition has to be sufficiently regulated so as to not oxidize the aldehydes further. These aldehydes then react with the Schiff reagent to give a purple-magenta color. A suitable basic stain is often used as a counterstain.

• PAS diastase stain (PAS-D) is PAS stain used in combination with diastase, an enzyme that breaks down glycogen.

• Alcian blue/periodic acid–Schiff (AB/PAS or AB-PAS) uses alcian blue before the PAS step.

Uses
PAS staining is mainly used for staining structures containing a high proportion of carbohydrate macromolecules (glycogen, glycoprotein, proteoglycans), typically found in e.g. connective tissues, mucus, the glycocalyx, and basal laminae.

PAS staining can be used to assist in the diagnosis of several medical conditions:
 * Glycogen storage disease (versus other storage disorders).
 * Adenocarcinomas, which often secrete neutral mucins.
 * Paget disease of the breast.
 * Alveolar soft part sarcoma.
 * Staining macrophages in Whipple's disease.
 * It can be used to diagnose α1-antitrypsin deficiency if periportal liver hepatocytes stain positive.
 * Aggregates of PAS-positive lymphocytes are present in epidermis in Mycosis fungoides and Sézary syndrome, called Pautrier microabscesses.
 * Ewing sarcoma
 * Erythroleukemia, a leukemia of immature red blood cells. These cells stain a bright fuchsia.
 * Pulmonary alveolar proteinosis.
 * Fungal infection, the cell walls of fungi stain magenta; this only works on living fungi. In contrast, Grocott's methenamine silver stain (GMS) will stain both living and dead fungal organisms.
 * It is used to identify glycogen in lung biopsy specimens of infants with pulmonary interstitial glycogenosis (PIG).
 * It can be used to highlight super cross-linked lipids inclusions in ceroid lipofuscinosis (NCL).

Presence of glycogen can be confirmed on a section of tissue by using diastase to digest the glycogen from a section, then comparing a diastase digested PAS section with a normal PAS section. The diastase negative slide will show a magenta staining where glycogen is present within a section of tissue. The slide that has been treated with diastase will lack any positive PAS staining in those locations on the slide

PAS staining is also used for staining cellulose. One example would be looking for implanted medical devices composed of nonoxidized cellulose.

If the PAS stain will be performed on tissue, the recommended fixative is 10% neutral-buffered formalin or Bouin solution. For blood smears, the recommended fixative is methanol. Glutaraldehyde is not recommended because free aldehyde groups may be available to react with the Schiff reagent, which may result in false positive staining.

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Wikipedia:WikiProject Airlines/Airport clubs

How should airport clubs be listed?
My first reaction is to say a heading under the airline. That way it can be linked from other airlines that have access. I don't think that each club needs an article, though you could say that they are more important than schools due to the business transactions that occur in those rooms and deserve an article. Vegaswikian 17:21, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Well... I agree with you. We should have a section in the airline page for the club locations.  Many people have been arguing with me claiming that Wikipedia is not a Directory, which I believe is true.  However, since the information provided uses less pages and eliminates the need to visit the airlines' website, we should have the information on the page itself.  Having a link to the airline page eliminates the need for the section which therefore would mean that we wouldn't need the section whatsoever if we had a link to the airlines' website.  The way it is in most pages right now is the way it should be.  The whole point of putting the locations in the page was to eliminate the single pages just for the airline club.  We have discussed this a while back and I believe this issue is arrising once again with different views.  A few people who have thought that they should be on the airline page no believe they should not.  We need to reach an agreement.  View the discussion page as to how I still believe the section should be layed-out.--Golich17 02:12, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


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James Napier Robertson

James William Napier Robertson (born 24 March 1982) is a New Zealand writer, film director, actor and producer, who wrote and directed 2009 film I'm Not Harry Jenson, and 2014 film The Dark Horse, for which he won Best Director, Best Screenplay and Best Film at the 2014 New Zealand Film Awards, and which was declared by New Zealand critics "One of the greatest New Zealand films ever made".

Robertson also wrote and directed two episodes of the Logie Award winning crime drama Romper Stomper, and appeared earlier in his career as an actor in Shakespearean theater and several television productions including The Tribe and Being Eve, describing how his acting work "funded his early filmmaking".

Early life
Born in Wellington, New Zealand, but moving to Auckland at a young age, Robertson grew up in Devonport and attended Takapuna Grammar School, where he first started acting in Shakespeare productions and musicals.

His uncle is actor Marshall Napier and his cousin is Marshall's daughter, actress Jessica Napier.

Early career
Robertson joined a local outdoor Shakespeare Theatre Company in his late teens, which he performed with for a number of years, often at the Pumphouse Theatre Amphitheatre. He has described this time with the company as his favorite period of acting.

After this period he was cast in a number of local and international television shows which he acted in for the next few years, both in support and lead roles. He was first cast in Being Eve as Jared Preston, a wayward teenager at the titular Eve's school, then in Shortland Street, and Mercy Peak as Luke Bertram, an arsonist dealing with his mother's death by burning down local buildings until he is caught by the police.

In 2002 Robertson was cast for two seasons in UK show The Tribe, a post apocalyptic series about a virus that has wiped out all adults, leaving only young people to fight amongst each other. In 2004 he was cast for one season as a lead actor on US show Power Rangers Dino Thunder, playing Conner McKnight, a soccer player and the Red Ranger. The show was filmed in New Zealand and featured an almost entirely New Zealand cast, including friend and future film producer Tom Hern.

Throughout this period he said he was less interested in acting, instead using the money from these shows to fund the short films he was writing and directing in his early twenties and purchase film equipment.

Recent work
In his mid twenties, Robertson wrote and directed his first feature film, I'm Not Harry Jenson, with friends Tom Hern and Edward Sampson both taking roles as producers in the film. The film premiered at the 2009 New Zealand International Film Festival and was nominated for Best Picture at the 2009 AFTA Awards (New Zealand Film and TV Awards). It was picked up by Rialto Distribution for a New Zealand wide theatrical release from January to March 2010 to strong reviews, but low box office.

The Dark Horse
In 2010 Robertson started work on his second feature film, The Dark Horse, based on the life story of Genesis Potini, a Māori chess player who suffered from severe bipolar. Robertson stated he became very close friends with Potini, playing hundreds of games of chess with him while writing the screenplay. Robertson has been an avid chess player since a young age, which he cited as one of the things that inspired him to make The Dark Horse. The Dark Horse premiered as the Opening Night film at the NZIFF Film Festival on 17 July 2014, and was released across New Zealand on 31 July. The film was a New Zealand box office hit, grossing $2 million and receiving unanimously rave reviews. The New Zealand Herald rated it 5 stars, calling it "a great, deeply affecting movie", with "brave, assured and layered directing" and praising the "towering performance of Cliff Curtis". A review on Radio New Zealand declared it to be "one of the greatest New Zealand films ever made".

It premiered internationally at the 2014 Toronto International Film Festival. Variety called it "exceptional...the most deserving cinematic export to emerge from New Zealand in years". The Hollywood Reporter said it was "certain to attract awards attention", and Indiewire graded it an 'A', praising it as "moving and incredibly humanistic".

The European Premiere was held at the 2015 Rotterdam International Film Festival, where it won the Audience Award for Best Film. It also won the Best Actor Award for Cliff Curtis at the 2014 Asia Pacific Awards, and six awards at the 2014 New Zealand Film Awards, including Best Picture, Best Director and Best Screenplay. 2014 was dubbed the 'golden year' of New Zealand film.

The Dark Horse was released worldwide in 2015, and was released theatrically in the United States in 2016 where it was presented by director James Cameron.

Personal life
Robertson has stated in interviews he has been a vegetarian since the age of four due to his love for animals, and has been a member of Greenpeace for most of his life. Animal advocacy group SAFE named him 'Hottest Vegetarian of 2014' alongside Academy Award winner Anna Paquin as a way of raising awareness for reducing animal cruelty. Robertson is married and has two young children, a son born in 2016 and a daughter who lives with him in Auckland.

Film

 * Ishtar (Short, 2002) Writer, Director, Editor
 * By Way of LA (Short, 2004) Writer, Director, Actor
 * Two Cons, One Key (Short, 2005) Writer, Director
 * Foul Play (Short, 2007) Writer, Director, Actor.
 * I'm Not Harry Jenson (2009) Writer, Director
 * Everything We Loved (2014) Co-Producer
 * The Dark Horse (2014) Writer, Director
 * Whina (2022) co-writer, co-director
 * Joika (2023) Writer, Director

Television

 * The Tribe (1999) TV Series .... Jay (Series 4–5, 2001/02)
 * Being Eve (2001) TV Series .... Jared Preston (2001/02)
 * Shortland Street (1992) TV Series .... Glen McNulty (2001)
 * Mercy Peak
 * Light My Fire (2003).... Luke Bertram
 * Pride and Prejudice (2003).... Luke Bertram
 * Power Rangers Ninja Storm (2003).... Eric McKnight
 * Power Rangers Dino Thunder (2004).... Conner McKnight/Red Dino Ranger
 * Power Rangers S.P.D. (2005).... Conner McKnight/Red Dino Ranger (guest role 2 episodes)
 * Go Girls (2009) .... Mark
 * Romper Stomper (2017) .... Director, Writer

Stage

 * Joseph and the Technicolor Dreamcoat by Andrew Lloyd Webber (1997) – Role: Naphtali – Milford Playhouse
 * The Mikado by Sir Arthur Sullivan (1997) – Role: The Mikado – Auckland Music Theatre
 * The Tempest by William Shakespeare (1997) – Role: Antonio – Shakespeare in the Park – Outdoor Amphitheatre, Auckland, New Zealand
 * Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare (1998) – Role: Fabian – Shakespeare in the Park – Outdoor Amphitheatre, Auckland, New Zealand
 * A Midsummer Night's Dream by William Shakespeare (1998) – Role: Lysander – Shakespeare in the Park – Outdoor Amphitheatre, Auckland, New Zealand
 * Romeo and Juliet by William Shakespeare (1999) – Role: Benvolio – Summer Shakespeare - Shoreside Theatre
 * Much Ado About Nothing by William Shakespeare (2000) – Role: Claudio – Summer Shakespeare - Shoreside Theatre
 * Julius Caesar by William Shakespeare (2001) – Role: Gaius Octavian – Shakespeare in the Park – Outdoor Amphitheatre, Auckland, New Zealand

Awards and nominations

 * Best Director - The Dark Horse - New Zealand Film Awards 2014
 * Best Screenplay - The Dark Horse - New Zealand Film Awards 2014
 * Best Director - The Dark Horse - Art Film Festival 2015
 * New Filmmaker of the Year Award - SPADA Awards 2014
 * Best Film Jury Award - The Dark Horse - St Tropez International Film Festival 2015
 * Best Screenplay - The Dark Horse - New Zealand Screen Guild Awards 2014
 * Best Film - The Dark Horse - New Zealand Film Awards 2014
 * Best Film - The Dark Horse - Seattle International Film Festival 2015
 * Best Film - The Dark Horse - San Francisco International Film Festival 2015
 * Best Film Audience Award - The Dark Horse - Rotterdam International Film Festival 2015
 * Best Film MovieZone Award - The Dark Horse - Rotterdam International Film Festival 2015
 * Runner Up Best Film - The Dark Horse - Palm Springs International Film Festival 2015
 * Best Film - Nominated - I'm Not Harry Jenson - NZ Film and TV Awards 2009

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Natzwiller

Natzwiller (Natzweiler) is a commune in the Bas-Rhin department in Grand Est in northeastern France.

History
Built in spring 1941 on the territory of the commune, Natzweiler-Struthof concentration camp opened for prisoners in May 1941. It was the only Nazi concentration camp on French soil. The inmates originally were German who were to supply labor for building V-2 rocket factories in man-made caves dug out of the Vosges Mountains.

The prisoners lived in the cold, damp tunnels as they built them. The camp was expanded by the Nazis with the installation of a gas chamber in April 1943 and crematorium. Its main function was temporary detention of Resistance fighters from overrun European nations, although some Nazi experiments on Jews were carried out at the camp.

Museum
The camp site has been preserved as a museum and includes a monument to the departed.

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Lockheed T2V SeaStar

The Lockheed T2V SeaStar, later called the T-1 SeaStar, is a carrier-capable jet trainer for the United States Navy that entered service in May 1957. Developed from the Lockheed T-33 (itself derived from the Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star), it was powered by one Allison J33 engine.

Design and development
Starting in 1949, the U.S. Navy used the Lockheed T-33 for land-based jet aircraft training. The T-33 was a derivative of the Lockheed P-80/F-80 fighter and was first named TO-2, then TV-2 in Navy service. However, the TV-2 was not suitable for operation from aircraft carriers. The persisting need for a carrier-compatible trainer led to a further, more advanced design development of the P-80/T-33 family, which came into being with the Lockheed designation L-245 and USN designation T2V. Lockheed's demonstrator L-245 first flew on 16 December 1953 and production deliveries to the US Navy began in 1956.

Compared to the T-33/TV-2, the T2V was almost totally re-engineered for carrier landings and at-sea operations with a redesigned tail, naval standard avionics, a strengthened undercarriage (with catapult fittings) and lower fuselage (with a retractable arrestor hook), power-operated leading-edge flaps (to increase lift at low speeds) to allow carrier launches and recoveries, and an elevated rear (instructor's) seat for improved instructor vision, among other changes. Unlike other P-80 derivatives, the T2V could withstand the shock of landing on a pitching carrier deck and had a much higher ability to withstand sea water-related aircraft wear from higher humidity and salt exposure.

Operational history
The only version of the T2V was initially designated T2V-1 when it entered service, but was redesignated T-1A SeaStar under the 1962 United States Tri-Service aircraft designation system, the designation under which it would spend the majority of its career.

The T-1A was replaced by the North American T-2 Buckeye but remained in service into the 1970s.

Operators

 * United States Navy
 * United States Marine Corps
 * United States Marine Corps

Surviving aircraft
As of 2017, one T2V-1A airworthy, based at Phoenix-Mesa Gateway Airport (former Williams Air Force Base) in Mesa, Arizona, and being flown for experimental and display purposes. Two examples are preserved on public display in Tucson, Arizona.

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Talk:Stochastics

Is this redirect correct? Is "Stochastics" in English only about stochastic processes? LARS 17:24, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

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User:Rich Farmbrough/Paper Size

There have been many standard sizes of paper at different times and in different countries.

International paper sizes

International standard paper sizes are now used in all countries except the United States, Canada, and some South American countries.

The international standard is ISO 216, which defines amongst others, A4. ISO paper sizes are all based on a single aspect ratio of the square root of two, 1:1.4142. Basing paper upon this ratio was conceived by Georg Lichtenberg in the eighteenth century, made law in Germany in the 1920s, but did not reach its culmination until the prevalence of photocopy machines from the 1960s made having all paper with the same aspect ratio far more convenient in scaling than any other system.

The largest standard size, A0, has an area of 1 m². A1 is formed by cutting a piece of A0 in half, which retains the aspect ratio. This particular measurement system was chosen in order to allow folding of one standard size into another, which cannot be accomplished with traditional paper sizes.

Brochures are made by using material at the next size up i.e. material at A3 is folded to make A4 brochures. Similarly, material at A4 is folded to make A5 brochures.

It also allows scaling without loss of image from one size to another. Thus an A4 page can be enlarged to A3 and retain the exact proportions of the original text, photograph or whatever. Office photocopiers in countries that use ISO 216 paper often have one tray filled with A4 and one filled with A3. A simple method is usually provided (e.g. one button press) to enlarge A4 to A3 or reduce A3 to A4. Thus an A4 brochure when open is A3 and can be placed on the copier and either printed directly onto the A3 paper or reduced to A4.

The ISO B series is a scaling of the A series; B1 is half way between A0 and A1 in area. The C series is half way between the A and B series of the same number; for instance, C0 is half way between A0 and B0. This way, C0 is slightly larger than A0, and B0 slightly larger than C0. This was intended to allow one to fit inside an envelope of the other. For instance, a letter written on A4 paper, the standard for this role, fits inside a C4 envelope. A C4 envelope can fit inside a B4 envelope. Note that C2, C1, C0 are all larger than the maximum allowed by the Royal Mail.

The scalability also means that less paper (and hence money) is wasted by printing companies.

ISO 216 does not define any sizes larger than A0 and B0, but the German standard DIN 476 puts a factor in front of these (so 2A0 is twice the size of A0, 4A0 is four time A0, etc.).

See below for SRA and RA sizes.

Traditional paper sizes
Traditionally, a number of different sizes were defined for large sheets of paper, and paper sizes were defined by the sheet name and the number of times it had been folded. Thus a full sheet of "Royal" paper was 25 x 20 inches, and "Royal Octavo" was this size folded 3 times, so as to make eight sheets, and was thus 10 by 6.25 inches.

Some of the base sizes commonly used in the US were as follows (all in inches):
 * Atlas: 34 x 26
 * Imperial: 30 x 22
 * Elephant: 28 x 23
 * Royal: 25 x 20
 * Medium: 23 x 18
 * Demy: 22½ x 17½
 * Crown: (also known as Post): 20 x 15
 * Foolscap: 17 x 13½"

The sizes used in the UK were similar but in a few cases differed in detail.

The common divisions and their abbreviations include:
 * Folio, fo/f: 1 fold, into 2 pages
 * Quarto, 4to: 2 folds, into 4 pages
 * Sexto or Sixmo, 6to/6mo: 3 folds, into 6 pages
 * Octavo, 8vo: 3 folds, into 8 pages
 * Duodecimo or Twelvemo, 12mo: 4 folds, into 12 pages
 * Sextodecimo or Sixteenmo, 16mo: 4 folds, into 16 pages

Many of these sizes were only used for making books (see bookbinding), and would never have been offered for ordinary stationery purposes.

Current U.S. paper sizes
Current standard sizes of U.S. paper are a subset of the traditional sizes referred to above. Letter, legal, and ledger/tabloid are by far the most commonly used for everyday activities.

There is an additional paper size which has no ascertainable name, the 8-by-10½ inch paper that is used in America for children's writing and was prescribed by Herbert Hoover when he was Secretary of Commerce to be used for U.S. governmental forms. Apparently this would enable discounts from purchase of paper for schools. As photocopy machines later proliferated, citizens wanted to make photocopies of the forms, but as the machines did not generally have this size paper in their bins, they could not do so, thus Ronald Reagan had the U.S. government switch to letter size.

American resistance to the ISO paper sizes may be due to the larger resistance to the metric system, or the irrational fear that all existing paperwork would have to be redone on the new size paper, and stored in newly-purchased file cabinets.

Other Sizes
Other Metric Sizes Paper 	Width (mm) 	Length (mm) DL 	110 	220 F4 	210 	330 RA0 	860 	1220 RA1 	610 	860 RA2 	430 	610 RA3 	305 	430 RA4 	215 	305 SRA0 	900 	1280 SRA1 	640 	900 SRA2 	450 	640 SRA3 	320 	450 SRA4 	225 	320 A3+   305     457 (well defined?) Docutech max 364 435 (not printable) Other Imperial Sizes Paper 	Width (mm) 	Length (mm) Super-B 	330.2 	482.6 Govt. Legal 	215.9 	330.2 Legal 	215.9 	355.6 Govt. Letter 	203.2 	266.7 Letter 	215.9 	279.4 Half Letter 	139.7 	215.9 Tabloid 	279.4 	431.8 Executive 	184.15 	266.7 Broadsheet 	457.2 	609.6 Photo-3x5 	76.2 	127.0 Photo-4x6 	101.6 	152.4 Photo-5x7 	127.0 	177.8 Photo-8x10 	203.2 	254.0 ANSI Papers (Engineering Standard) Paper 	Width (mm) 	Length (mm) ANSI-A 	215.9 	279.4 ANSI-B 	279.4 	431.8 ANSI-C 	431.8 	558.8 ANSI-D 	558.8 	863.6 ANSI-E 	863.6 	1117.6 ARCH Papers (Architectural Standard) Paper 	Width (mm) 	Length (mm) ARCH-A 	228.6 	304.8 ARCH-B 	304.8 	457.2 ARCH-C 	457.2 	609.6 ARCH-D 	609.6 	914.4 ARCH-E 	914.4 	1219.2 ARCH-F 	762 	1066.8

Business Cards
The usual dimensions of a business card are 3-1/2" × 2" or 89 mm × 51 mm or A8 74 x 52.

Media
CD/DVD Jewel front covers CD/DVD Jewel Back covers CD/DVD short slips 245 x 135 CD/DVD long slips VHS slips

Credit Cards/Identity documents
ID-1 85.60 × 53.98 mm, = 3.37 × 2.125 in.

ISO 7813 => thickness of 0.76 mm and corners rounded with a radius of 3.18 mm.

ID-2

105 × 74 mm = 4.134 × 2.913 in. A7 format, for example, the German Personalausweis (Identity document).

ID-3

125 × 88 mm = 4.92 × 3.465 in. B7 format, used worldwide for passports and visas.

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