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Palaces
I simply think BuckP meets the featured article criteria; ergo it should be featured. BlenP needs a good polish, I fear - but thanks for the tip. -- ALoan (Talk) 12:52, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the expansion of the big pot (bass relief - chortle). -- ALoan (Talk) 13:56, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Indeed - have expanded the spendthrift. My external link thinks "thrift" means prosperity rather than miserliness.

 * See also urn - I have managed to add Greece and Rome, cricket, architecture, and the Royal Family, all in one go :) -- ALoan (Talk) 16:49, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Antarctic krill
did you see how much they like the mystic critter now - thanks again and best greetings Uwe Kils 00:15, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

Lawson
Hi Giano - I got a few pictures back from being developed today. Sadly the one of the Oamaru bank building is unusably bad, so I'd prefer to wait for someone else (or, failing that, try next time I'm up in Oamaru in about a month's time). I do have photos of First Church, Otago Boys High School, and "Threave" (367 High Street), although the last aren't very good (the house is surrounded by thick trees). I'll upload them over the next few days. Grutness...  wha?  28 June 2005 12:23 (UTC)

IRC
Maybe you were in #mediawiki or something with en. in the name? Avoid such, the channel to be is called simply #wikipedia. It ain't teeny at any time, and when the site is down it's big. I'm usually there--on the list--even if I'm physically out in the rain. As is customary, I change the name from bishonen to something like bish_away or bizzzzhonen if I'm away or asleep. Just try typing "bishonen" if you think you're in the right place, and the computer will send the driver for me with the limo! (Will beep, actually.) Bishonen | talk 28 June 2005 23:14 (UTC)

 * You might find me in there sometimes too (when I'm not in Greece) -- Francs2000 | Talk [[Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg|25px| ]] 28 June 2005 23:17 (UTC)

Buck palace
Thanks for the message; it's been quiet over at my place recently. I'm working slowly on the List of cultural references in The Divine Comedy and doing some Admin stuff. The Buck palace voting is strange; really not much different than when it got rejected twice before. As for the footnote thing, I think it's just a passing fashion to ask for these and I'd be inclined to ignore. Shows how good the article is when an Irishman has voted for it three times! Filiocht | Talk June 29, 2005 09:01 (UTC)
 * It won't. I'll stake the remaining shreds of my tiny reputation on it. Filiocht | Talk June 29, 2005 09:12 (UTC)
 * Well, for once I was right. Congratulations. Filiocht | Talk June 30, 2005 08:31 (UTC)

Thanks for the message, and well done. It is good to see your prose getting the praise that it deserves. Goodness knows why it had to be nominated three times: it is not as if the articles has been changed all that much. -- ALoan (Talk) 30 June 2005 09:35 (UTC)

Lawson pictures
Hi Giano - I've uploaded four Robert lawson pictures. Sadly the quality isn't too good, but hopefully they'll do until someone can come up with some better ones at least. There are two of Otago Boys High School and two of First Church. Grutness...  wha?  30 June 2005 08:28 (UTC)

 * Glad you liked the pictures. The one of the back of the church was almost an afterthought, and I was surprised it came out (it was nearly dusk when I took it, which is why there's a bit of a yellowish wintry sunset glow around the edge of the building). There's nothing left of Seacliff Hospital at all, as far as I know.

 * It's not that I like all the pictures down one side, although I do try to keep all the pictures in a particular section on the same side. It's more that I don't like the look of two overlapping pictures, one on the left and one on the right, with a skinny bit of text squeezed between them. Grutness...  wha?  30 June 2005 13:14 (UTC)

Hi Giano - I did get a couple of pictures of Threave, but there's so many trees round it it's hard to get a good view of it. And what's more it's just as gingerbreaddy as Larnach Castle. I don't know whether he did any classical houses. There are several classical buildings - jusy not houses. I'd need to run a whole film through my camera to get some photos of them though, so it could take a while (I must get a digital camera one of these days!) Grutness...  wha?  2 July 2005 11:56 (UTC)

No big deal
Heh, thanks. I appreciate the effort. I'm used to dealing with the oddities of FAC, though — I've written quite a few FACs in my time. See you around. :) Johnleemk | Talk 30 June 2005 11:27 (UTC)

Featured article candidates/Carl Friedrich Gauss
Hey, G'como, I think the author has addressed the concerns. He's only got one support yet (mine). At last a fair vote for Buckingham Palazione, congratulazione! Bishonen | talk 30 June 2005 11:36 (UTC)

Belie
Do you mean in a bad way, like defame or slander? Or a different kind of false impression? Maybe I can suggest something if you give me the context. As for the second question, ha ha, very droll. Bishonen | talk 1 July 2005 16:00 (UTC)

RE: Buckingham Palace
Hi Giano. Sorry I've took a while in replying to your question on my talk page (no good excuses handy). I've just sent an image to the guys at Destination-UK to see if we can get the throne room image on fairuse and hopefully we'll be allowed :-) Craigy (talk) July 2, 2005 19:06 (UTC)

Are you impatient to get rid of me or something?
I'm going later tonight, I'm only on here because it gets me out of ironing endless pairs of underpants. -- Francs2000 | Talk 2 July 2005 19:57 (UTC) (Nazi bookburner)

 * I like the way they feel - going commando in jeans is not an experience I cherish. Plus I think they look quite attractive.  And my mother always told me to iron them - you never know when they're going to get seen by other people... -- Francs2000 | Talk [[Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg|25px|  ]] 2 July 2005 20:04 (UTC)

Augustan literature
(Trying energetically not to read the above.) Ha, thanks! Those were my hedge-clippers, though, not my pen. I summarized the spun-off sections, a Sicilian haircut that grieved Geogre to the heart. But at least he didn't have to be his own hitman. Get Brutal Bishonen in for that! Bishonen | talk 5 July 2005 10:04 (UTC)

Lawson images from Oamaru
I was passing through Oamaru the other day, so I snapped these photos of the National Bank and the Bank of New South Wales. It was drizzling at the time, but you can't really tell. If you need them edited in any way for your article (or a different view), then feel free to ask me.

(Donovan|Geocachernemesis|Interact) 8 July 2005 07:09 (UTC)

My hair
Sadly, more grey than red. And I'm fatter. But otherwise, not a bad likeness. Filiocht | Talk 09:56, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

Robert Lawson (architect)
You certainly don't believe in keeping your new pages short do you? I'm used to seeing pages that average below 1,000 bytes when looking at Special:Newpages for erroneous edits, but 33,141? Is paid work a bit slow at the moment? -- Francs2000 | Talk 11:41, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I'll check the grammar when I have a spare hour or two. Do you want me to delete the draft page for you?  The sun tan is looking very good but is starting to peel off on the left shoulder.  Something to do with that side being more exposed to the sun or something.  Might be the way I was sitting on the beach... -- Francs2000 | Talk [[Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg|25px|  ]] 11:54, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm afraid actually I won't be able to delete that article: I may have to move it so that it sits under where the new one is. The reason is because you weren't the only editor to work on its creation up to this point: at least two others helped out.  In order to comply with GFDL their edits have to be recognised in the finished product.  Sorry about that. -- Francs2000 | Talk [[Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg|25px|  ]] 11:59, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Well I only bared all on the legal nudist beaches where we were. And made pleasing eye contact with various fit Greek men...  Anyway I'm going to move the old page so that it sits under the new one.  Don't be alarmed, it involved deleting the new one temporarily, but it'll be restored soon afterwards. -- Francs2000 | Talk [[Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg|25px|  ]] 12:08, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

 * My basic problem with anything more than eye contact is that I can't negotiate in my own language when abroad. I'll leave you pondering that comment while I have a read of your new article... -- Francs2000 | Talk [[Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg|25px|  ]] 20:13, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi Giano - haven't had much of a chance to look at the new page yet (the real world's been too busy this week), but I hope to in the next couple of days. Grutness...  wha?  12:37, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I've had time to do a but of copyediting on the first part of the article (down to the end of OBHS) - I'd like your opinion on one thing I've added: you compared First Church to late Norman English Cathedrals. I extended it to include Early English and gave Salisbury Cathedral as a good comparison - does that sound reasonable? By the way, if you look at the big Dunedin panorama here, Knox Church is very clearly visible to the left of the middle, and the spire of First Church is just visible (it's the only think which appears to break the shoreline towards the right of the picture). Not really usable for the article, but thought you'd like to see... Grutness...  wha?  13:34, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I see what you mean about Chartres - I'll modify the article a little... ironically, the butresses of Chartres remind me of Dunedin's anglican cathedral (designed from London and never finished to the required specification - a temporary section was added in about 1920 which is still there!). It has distinctly European flying buttresses. Grutness...  wha?  01:27, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Allthough they can't be used for the article, there are some good pictures of several of the Oamaru buildings here which you might like to look at! BTW, I'll check the star and garter when I'm in Oamaru - the word "hotel" in New Zealand often means a pub and restaurant rather than a hostelry. Grutness...  wha?  02:53, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * OK - that's it - I've done a copyedit on the whole thing. Have a look now and see what you think. Grutness...  wha?  04:34, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * It's close to FA standard, but you're right, there's something not quite there yet. Perhaps putting it up for Peer Review might sort out what's missing...? Grutness...  wha?  06:25, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * It's stunning. Just continue to amplify and improve it at the rate you've attained so far, and six months from now submit it as your PhD thesis. -- Hoary 07:53, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for replying on my page, Giano. I've replied there. But here . . . I have to say that I don't understand this bit: here an apse flanked by turrets, which are in turn dwarfed by gables, and further turrets, and the great rose window becomes a focal point. In brief, what's the subject of becomes? The rose window, I'd have thought -- but then what precedes and seems syntactically orphaned. Or perhaps I've misread. Wild guess: where the size of the building can be seen: an apse flanked by turrets, which are in turn dwarfed by gables, and further turrets, and of which the great rose window becomes a focal point. Incidentally, this is quickly followed by a link to Europe. I left this in, but I've always wondered about such links: has the author put them in as a kind of wikijoke, or instead might an intelligent reader think, "Ooh yes, Europe; I've always wondered about that" and click on the link? (I did take out a similar link to "city". Was I thereby being a spoilsport?) -- Hoary 10:31, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

Boring bloody page
I dunno, it had its interesting points. Anyway I've finished now. Feel free to add more commas at will. And do you really want to hear about the finer points of our holiday? -- Francs2000 | Talk 21:20, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

 * PS what do you want me to do with the redirect at User:Giano/Robert Lawson, draft? -- Francs2000 | Talk [[Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg|25px| ]] 21:26, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Aw!
Aw, the fittings, now as utilised by the Beatles! It just goes to show, people do have respect for excellent content. Shall I add a few erections? Bishonen | talk 21:26, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

 * We're back to what I did on my holiday again... -- Francs2000 | Talk [[Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg|25px| ]] 21:29, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

This is the use page of a true and decent Catholic youth please desist from leaving messages full of crude innuendo which, because of my great respectability I am incapable of understanding. Giano | talk 21:31, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Sorry I take that back, I've had one of those afternoons... -- Francs2000 | Talk [[Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg|25px| ]] 21:32, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

C'mon, there's a lot about construction work in Buckingham Palace!
Yeah! Bishonen | talk 21:33, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Amministratore
It strikes me I'm an amministratore — all right, no need to kiss my hand! OK, that's enough! Just stop! — You want I delete the crooked version of the image? Bishonen | talk 17:16, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Causing offense
Were you really very offended by my corse remarks above? -- Francs2000 | Talk 00:25, 21 July 2005 (UTC) (being dim)

Lawson's FA
Well, the worst that can happen is for it to be rejected with comments... in which case, we can use the comments to improve the article. I don't think it's quite as good as the previous ones, but it's still a very good article so it's got a fair chance of being a featured article. Grutness...  wha?  07:28, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Giano, here are some niggles about Robert Lawson (architect).

In: As the attractions of the gold rush and the precariousness of a career in journalism became a reality, he decided to return full time to his first chosen career and found a position as an architect in Melbourne.
 * I don't understand the first half. Wild guess: "As Lawson came to realize the low probability of success in the gold rush and the precariousness of a career in journalism, he decided. . . ."

The house is essentially a "castellated villa wrapped in a two storey verandah" — at no time was it ever intended to be a true castle, able to withstand a siege.
 * Doesn't this belabor the obvious?

Of Otago Boys' High School: Often referred to as Gothic, in fact it is a hybrid of several orders of architecture with dominant renaissance and Gothic influences: it would probably best be termed today as "Jacobethan" (although this is a vague and often inaccurate term applied to buildings thought to combine both the Jacobean and Elizabethan architectural styles, a complete example being Harlaxton Manor).
 * It seems odd to me to say both (a) that A would probably best be termed today as X and (b) ghat X is vague and inaccurate.

''the school itself has more the atmosphere of a prosperous Victorian country house. (The English prototype of this style is at 16th-century Hatfield House in Hertfordshire. Later, when the style re-materialised in the 19th century, it came to be known as "Jacobethan".)''
 * We're going off at a tangent here, I fear.

Lawson built in the local Oamaru stone, a limestone which is compact and hard, and ideal for building purposes, especially where ornate moulding is required.
 * By "compact", is dense meant?

HTH. -- Hoary 13:59, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

Dorothy Parker
Na I'm going to bed in a minute to read Harry Potter... -- Francs2000 | Talk 22:36, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I was sadly working last weekend, helping the police keep the peace among young people on streets of Aylesbury. The last one I finished in three days. -- Francs2000 | Talk [[Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg|25px|  ]] 22:40, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Images in lawson page
I'll confess to not understanding them that well myself, esp. when multiple images are placed together like that. I thought moving one to the next section would be fine, but apparently not. As it is right now, they're all three at the top, before any of the text, at least for me--not ideal, but I'll leave them there. Best wishes and good luck on the nomination, Meelar (talk) 15:22, July 22, 2005 (UTC)

 * I think it's a skill that's developed largely by practice. Try Image help, but I never found it that useful. You might do well to bring this up at Welcome Committee or Help desk. Good luck, Meelar (talk) 20:03, July 22, 2005 (UTC)

RE: Buckingham Palace
Hi Giano. Sorry I've took a while in replying to your question on my talk page (no good excuses handy). I've just sent an email to the guys at Destination-UK to see if we can get the throne room image on fairuse and hopefully we'll be allowed :-) Craigy (talk) July 2, 2005 19:06 (UTC)
 * Well they took a while in answering. They couldn't release it under GFDL as they didn't take it themselves and they either buy images or get permission to use them on their site. The only other thing I thought of was to release it under fairuse as I don't think you can actually take pictures when on a tour of the palace so this image is probably taken by someone who paid into the royal coffers so to speak. It's not putting the palace in bad light at all, displayed to exhibit what the interior is like (and therefore probably educational) and if anything it's showing the splendour that it is. The courtiers would probably take a hissy-fit if we plastered images of every room in the article (well the state rooms at least) so I suppose it all adds up to fairuse. And yeah I'd totally back this for featuring on the main page, just let me know how I can help! You've done tremendous and fantastic work on the article (amongst others), keep it up and thanks :-) Craigy [[Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg|15px]] (talk) 21:13, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

Tudor style
Which image of a Tudor style house do you mean, Giano, just to make sure? You are saying the house is "more Lutyensesque, arts and crafts". I mainly come in on this by including a "See also" link to "Tudorbethan", which was more generally a pastiche phenomenon of earlier revival styles. Dieter Simon 22:45, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Congratulazione!
Bob Lawson now a featured article, cool! And I see you're going for Rutland House as your next FA! Bishonen | talk 17:09, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, I knooow! I hate it when Raul curtails a parade! Bishonen | talk 17:22, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Aahhh, very nice edit! You always were the man for le mot juste ! Bishonen | talk 19:31, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Yet Another Bluelink, wonderful, very handsome page! Now do Albion and Albanius! Bishonen | talk 20:16, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Albion and Albanius
My eyes popped when I saw this header among New Pages. I wasn't so surprised tho' when I saw your name. Check the Monmouth Rebellion article: I think there was no French support for radical Protestant Monmouth at all. Parlous little Dutch support either. At any rate, the unquiet times closed the opera, not its Frenchness I think. I hope my tweaks didn't irritate you. Better links, eh! --Wetman 08:11, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Aw, Giano, how sweet is that! Thank you very much. Check out my addition. You're an opera-lover, have you ever seen anything half as cool as the guy with a tap of poison in his side? I expect not, modern operas are meh! Bishonen | talk 12:31, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Charming
How delightful, that reminds me of a line in The Relapse (1696). The young hero is back from his continental Grand Tour and talks with an old lecher, who keeps trying to grope him, and is indignant when he skips nimbly out of the way: "What? Hast thou been two years in Italy and brought home a fool at last?" The only buggered king in leather that comes to mind is Christopher Marlowe's Edward II, but that sure ain't no opera. Any play can be made into an opera, I suppose. But that's not your next little job, no, no! Take a look at the 1690s section, it's got three more redlinked operas in it! They're the last I've got, I swear it. The nightmare is ending! Bishonen | talk 21:27, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

State of virtue
Well, you're in a state of virtue anyway! I didn't know you were such an angel in human form, G'como, thank you so much. And you're not satisfied with stubs, are you, these are really cool articles. Watching with deep satisfaction how Restoration spectacular (my latest idea for the title) turns bluer and bluer! Bishonen | talk 08:00, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

why did you delete
my edits?

It was on Naming conventions (subnational entities). I made sections. I think the factors/goals should be analized in more detail an with example for each, before getting in Discussions about Venezuela states and so on. maybe you thought I made edit mistake becaue i left the orignal stuff. - i had to leave it becaue Hajor referenced it with "No3", "No4" and so on. Prussia was sunny today. ;-) Tobias Conradi (Talk) 22:05, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

I was referring to

oh, you live in L. Special place these days with the bombs. We were talking about the weather. In german it was "Bombenwetter" today. We sometimes say this if you have clear sky. Maybe it stems from good weather for bombings (for the pilots). But we also say Bombenstimmung if there is good mood/sentiment (e.g. in a party.) So I am not sure where this Bomben-stuff comes from. As you do in L I assume, you don't know were the bombs come from. Prussian capital still can be lucky.

Finally I check your contribs
Thank you very much, that's absolutely great! I can not believe the thing is subtitled "The British Worthy", that's hilarious. :-) Hey, it turns out Antandrus, who will I think eventually be somewhat accompanying me on the harpsichord, doesn't have time for any input at present. I'm thinking the page may be good enough for FAC as it is, as the music is kind of extraneous anyway. What do you think? Please take a look. It's a poorly illustrated article about visual gorgeousness, I know, but I can't help that. I've scoured the net and the library for relevant pics, and that's what I've got. Except I could put in a few more portraits, of course, but that frankly wouldn't add much gorgeousness. And it's an article about opera by a tone-deaf person, but, well, I can't help that either. Thanks, G'como, you're wonderful! Bishonen | talk 16:31, 28 July 2005 (UTC) (P. S. See the goats reverently replaced by monkeys!)

Thanks—yeah, seen 'em
Thanks! Yeah, I know that site, it's very good. I've pinched many an image from it in my day. But I hadn't thought about maybe using it as an external link, I'm gonna stuff it in. There's a lot of good stuff there. The Drury Lane image, yes. It's so frustrating, the web is choc-a-bloc with theatre images, but click on 'em and they always turn out to be Regency or Victorian or whatever. That Drury Lane pic is surely a 19th-century print, from the style. Hey, did you click on my external links to "machine" animations? Do they work? They do on my box. They're a little pathetic, I know—they move so little! But still, they're machines, they're 17th-century, I ain't picky. Bishonen | talk 17:23, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Oswald of Kent
Hi Giano,

I have looked into the Oswald of Kent issue in a number of sources and can't find any such reference outside the opera or King Leir.

Pity, because I would really like to have found a little-documented Saxon monarch to add to the list. I fear so far this is not to be the case. But I remain open-minded about the source of the character.

Regards --JohnArmagh 19:49, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Robert Cambert
Heh heh. Appreciate it! I was just thinking that red link looked really bad. Bishonen | talk 23:30, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Robert Lawson (again!)
Hi Giano - thought you'd like to know that I took a reasonable (not particularly brilliant) picture of the Star and garter, which I've added to the Lawson article. Grutness...  wha?  13:33, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm sure you'll appreciate The Fairy Toot at Nempnett Thrubwell... --Wetman 09:38, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Restoration spectacular
The peacocks and the flying eagle are live. You and Geogre had better keep en eye on the menagerie and any FAC objections for me, as I'm going into seclusion the country on Monday! Bishonen | talk 02:48, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

World Heritage Sites in Britain
Meanwhile, I saw your edit at Blenheim Palace—I've protested here against the well-intentioned addition to so many architectural pages, in case you want to weigh in. It's all very well to have a big infobox at the top of language articles and such, but with these pages, so visual as they are... ! Bishonen | talk 18:00, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Tudorbethan
Well done, Giano, the merge has been a brilliant piece of work. Many thanks Dieter Simon 20:05, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

User:Giano/Sicilian Baroque
Hi - I moved the page you created - User Giano/Sicilian Baroque to User:Giano/Sicilian Baroque; you need the colon to make it part of your user page space. Just wanted to make sure you can find it, because I'm going to delete the redirect from the main article space. CDC  (talk)  21:40, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Up and about I see
What article are you working on now? And what was that obscure reference in Buckingham Palace anyway? -- Francs2000 | Talk 10:48, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't have time to read articles! I'm an admin, we don't actually read the stuff posted here... -- Francs2000 | Talk [[Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg|25px|  ]] 10:55, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Holkham Hall
Casting my eye over your excellent stuff, I fixed some redlinks. The engraving I've just added at Portunes, inspired by you, may be useful to Holkham Hall as well. Good luck on your Featured Article ride. --Wetman 12:30, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Sicilian Baroque
Giano, I left a note at its separate Discussion page. --Wetman 22:38, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Ali Ashraf Whatsit
No idea, but his article was in the wrong place... -- Francs2000 | Talk 09:52, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Oh ho - who are you?
I am impressed by your great contributions.I just wish to say more power to your elbow.By RIDCSP.
 * I love anonymous messages, its a bit like receiving a valentine's card, one hopes it is sent by one person but knows the probability it is the girl with the greasy hair from the local garage. As for deciphering letters  "RIDCSP", very dangerous, for I have a mind like a sewer, and even that is boggling, so I need a clue! Giano | talk 23:02, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
 * This is a new user, Giano, please see . Bishonen | talk 09:10, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh you're back are you? As a matter of fact I had seen their only other contribution.  This user is obviously a person a great discernment and taste (admiring my contributions - shows a great intellectual development) and such a person is to be encouraged - I feel a kindred spirit out there. Why I remember when my dear late great aunt the Pri......... Giano | talk 22:03, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Ah, nice clean surface and "Please leave a mess", how could I resist? Give my best wishes to your aunt, and thanks for helping keep the FAC vote in order! You're a daisy! Bishonen | talk 19:02, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Planned "ideal" cities
Thinking of prototypes for post-earthquake Sicilian planners, how about a city I don't know, but which might have been familiar to planners—and to you— Città del Sole, laid out for Cosimo I de’ Medici by Baldassarre Lanci of Urbino. Construction started 8th December 1564, according to Turismoforlivese.it --Wetman 08:01, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Tudorbethan back in place
The reason you couldn't move it was that there was an edited redirect in the way: I had to delete the redirect first. I put a note on the talk page abut how Tudorbethan and Tudor architecture aren't the same thing, so we don't get a page move war. Bishonen | talk 09:38, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, welldone, Giano and Bishonen, absolutely true, Tudorbethan is pastiche and not the real thing at all. Thanks for putting it back. Dieter Simon 00:12, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Still going strong I see
No admins blocked you yet then? Has anybody got your illicit reference to toilets in the BuckPal article? I'm still missing the inside joke. -- Francs2000 | Talk 21:27, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

 * No. -- Francs2000 | Talk [[Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg|25px| ]] 22:00, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Fancy a challenge?
You have an interest in architecture, see what you can do with a more modern building... No. 1 Deansgate. Have fun! -- Francs2000 | Talk 20:23, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Tudorbethan again
It's common for Neutrality, I remember spending (wasting) a lot of time discussing the edits he'd done at Talk:John Vanbrugh, and him not taking the time to respond. If you'd like me to return the article to Tudorbethan, what shall I put on the talk page to explain that Tudorbethan architecture is a less good name for the page? Oh, wait a minute. That's not an edited redirect, it's a simple redirect. You should be able to move it back yourself, just a regular move, without any preparatory deletion. You'd better write something on Talk, I guess, though I agree it's getting boring to be so conscientious when the other person isn't. Let me know if there's a problem about moving it, but there ought not to be. Bishonen | talk 12:15, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * [Soothingly] Yes, yes, dear, please breathe into a paper bag, you're starting to hyperventilate! Bishonen | talk 12:25, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Check e-mail! Bishonen | talk 12:37, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Many thanks again, Giano, I have updated my watchlist re Tudorb. arch. Dieter Simon 00:24, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Baldassarre Lanci
What're you doing to me? :-( I've done a copyedit, but I got an edit conflict and daren't save. I don't even know how which of your versions I started with, I didn't look at the time. Bishonen | talk 16:32, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Very well, here it is, knock yourself out! It's a little ridiculous, as I haven't done anything much, it's mainly just punctuation. Note a couple of invisible queries, though. Anyway, it's very nice, very attractive article! I appreciate the link to Restoration spectacular. ;-) But... I guess it's a little dragged-in-by-the-heels, somehow. England was extremely backward in theatrical design, because of the close-down of the theatres during the Interregnum. Italy and France would have been ahead in any case, no doubt, but the Puritans made it worse. English scenic development did take off like a rocket in 1660, probably precisely because they were so backward, and had so much advanced foreign technology and design to imitate. So comparing with London isn't that much of a compliment for any Italian. It's up to you, of course. Maybe it would be better to compare BL to the domestic scene. Bishonen | talk 17:04, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, f***. I'm sorry, no wonder you couldn't find the invisible questions. I see I've pasted the wrong version on my subpage. It looks like your original version (no wonder you liked it! :-P). Just a bit of unreconstructed native stupidity. Never mind, I'll do a little proofread tomorrow instead. It didn't need anything much, anyway, neat little page! Bishonen | talk 23:22, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Beetham Tower
Hi there. You reverted a deletion I made to comments made on the Beetham Tower talk page. I just thought the guy's rantings sounded a bit silly, claiming that there was some sort of conspiracy by Mancunians to outdo Birmingham or something! But I guess I did overstep the mark in just deleting his comments, so fair enough, thanks for reverting it and pointing out my mistake.

And thanks for adding to the No. 1 Deansgate page that I originally started as well. I can't find a copyright-free picture of it on the 'net to add to the article unfortunately. If I had a camera of my own I could take a picture myself because I walk past the building every day on the way to work.

Anyway, take care

Duncan

Ramblings
Happens that I have a couple of images from Sicilly if I get around to make scans. User:bishonen told me to tell you. I guess it's interesting for you? perhaps? Its not many, and I'm not sure what I have. Its some years ago. Mostly bits and pieces on a roadtrip to Sicilly which ended in Licata. Agtfjott 00:07, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Your goat
Hello, Drac! Surprisingly, I have come to love Cecilia as if she were my own flesh and blood. She responds well to the new name I've given her, Sicilia Baroque, and is a most affectionate creature. I strongly doubt that you'll ever get her to return "home" to your page again! And why don't you finish polishing the Sic Bar page, already? You're not planning to abandon it in limbo, are you? Yours, Bishonen | talk 14:44, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Bureaucratship
Hi, Giano. Thank you so much for your support on my bureaucratship nomination. Unfortunately, it didn't pass, but I intend to run again soon. If you'd like to be informed next time around, please let me know on my talk page. Thanks again! Andre ( talk ) 05:29, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

Talman family
Drac, I deleted your Talman family image since I noticed you'd requested it, but Thuresson is quite right, it's PD. Sorry I was too quick off the mark there, please just upload it again if you want to use it. The National Portrait Gallery tag all their mean little scans as being copyright, but they're just trying it on, that's all. I've used lots of them in articles, including FA's, and nobody's ever objected. Bishonen | talk 17:41, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Please leave a message below:

 * Ah, Giano, you've missed the balloon ascension. --Wetman 08:54, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Kind words
You and Bishonen are welcome: I mean it, you know. You both add something unique that would be sorely missed, as badly as Filiocht is. -- ALoan (Talk) 08:59, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

For goodness sake...
... two things here: I'm going off the radar (except to reply to stuff like this) because of your comments to me - you appear to have refused to assume good faith. The GNAA page had nothing to do with anything - I put this back because ZScout took it off (see the history - he said he took it off because it caused me to leave - which was never the case). I want Raul to remove it, until of course the FA criteria change (which I have done). You should note that I believed your article (which I had no idea you wrote, btw) had issues that made it reasonable to remove it from FA status. There was never anything personal, and for you to assume this is what has really made me want to take off. - Ta bu shi da yu 03:10, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Hello Ta bu, I am breaking with my normal practice of replying on a correspondents user page, as I do not wish my message to you to be deleted unarchived from your page, as was my original. It is a pity you feel you have to edit incognito because of me, and quite frankly rather extraordinary too.  If you believe my (admittedly terse) message  accused you of editing in bad faith let us examine the facts. On the 4th September you place Matthew Brettingham on FARC  Apart from voting keep, (as to date has every one else)  I made no comment on your actions. Later I commented on your prolonged absence from the page.

 * Then on 6th September begins your most strange behaviour so far you place an info. box on John Vanbrugh. I revert, and you then revert with the message "you do not own the article". Please explain where I say I do? This page is popular and has many followers consequently others then come and revert you, until you break the three revert rule, at 7.56 on the 7th September. Finally the page is protected. Do you feel this is exemplary behaviour for an administrator.

 * You have added the same box to Francis Petre and Robert Lawson .  Both are FAs of which I have been almost the sole editor, no I don't own those pages. Yes, you have the perfect right to edit them as you see fit, and I truly welcome any improvements you or anyone could make, I created them to be improved,  but considering the circumstances surrounding your edits, which you knew were controversial not just with me but many other editors too, as you had to plead for help on many other pages regarding the subject, you leave people with no option but to question whether you made them to be provocative. At Francis Petre you had not even bothered to read the article as your info box misinformed stating that this New Zealand worthy died in Dunedin, Scotland, rather than New Zealand as is clearly stated in the article.

 * I don't believe before this date you and I have had any contact, if we have it must have been minimal and/or cordial, as otherwise I would remember it, this makes you current attitude and behaviour towards me very sad. You insinuate you feel persecuted, perhaps you should ask yourself some searching questions as to why this is. Did anyone report you for breaking the three revert rule? - No!  Has anyone attcked you over the whole matter ? - No; So why all this stomping and stamping off the stage, presumably to obtain sympathy, pleas to return, and  publicly foster a feeling of "Wicked horrid Giano being nasty to poor little Ta bu" - well I've news for you: the grown up world isn't like that. If you intended to make me feel guilty, for eventually daring to question your actions, you have failed miserably, such behaviour cuts no ice with me at all, especially as from reading your page it seems you have more departures and arrivals than Fiumicino, also it appears that many who visit your page receive discourteous replies and hints they have caused your departure if they are not in complete accord with your views, small wonder two or three correspondents choose to, avoid the guilt trip altogether  and, remain anonymous.

 * This latest outburst from you, seems to follow my voting against GNAA on FA, for reasons which I had the courtesy to explain to you. I can't see that you and I can have a great deal more to say to each other, but if you want some free advice, as you seem to be a sensitive flower in future try a note on a talk page first, followed by a little tact and diplomacy, then learn to be courteous, that way you won't need to feel driven away by nasty big bad men like me. Giano | talk 12:56, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Image deletion
Listed under Images and media for deletion/2005 September 12. Thunderbrand 21:02, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

 * I wrote "OR" which stands for "orphan" since it isn't linked anywhere. I was going through the Category: Public domain images when I saw 2 images of the same thing, and this one is not being used currently. Thunderbrand 21:19, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

My goats!
Sicilia! You monster! Bishonen | talk 23:00, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm sure I can think of a few
Names that is. But I'll refrain from adding profanities to your user talk page because I know what you Catholic types are like. As for vandalism to my user space, I generally keep comments left on my talk page for other people to see - I'm going to archive it as soon as I get to 70 messages anyway. Also if someone has edited User:Francs2000/temp I prefer it to be left until I've seen it (feel free to add what you like to that page). Any other user space revert on sight unless it's just a minor spelling or formatting edit. How are you anyway? What country are you in at the moment? -- Francs2000 | Talk 14:20, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Actually your description sounded a lot like me when I was at school. Are you sure you didn't go to school in Aylesbury? -- Francs2000 | Talk [[Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg|25px|  ]] 16:46, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Pitti Palace
I'm afraid the only thing I can tell you about classical Italian theatrical costumes is that I'm sure I'd look good in them. Love the lunette! What a beautiful page, Giano. But if you think it looks good now, just wait, it'll reach new heights as soon as I find a good big Palace Infobox to insert top right. Please consider the Firenze--Florence issue, especially as Firenze merely links to a disambiguation page. (A certain essayistic quality in the final section, yes, I do think so. Do you want it dulled down?) Bishonen | talk 16:41, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
 * soul --> spirit? essence? character? nature? (I've got wordsmyth.net on a speed button in my browser, it's very useful! ;-)) Yes, I totally agree about moving it to Palazzo Pitti. Checking out the redirect—look at that, it's got an extra edit explicitly intended to "prevent move". OK, it won't prevent me, though, if you've made up your mind about it? Bishonen | talk 22:27, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

What on earth are you talking about? I don't see anything about encouraging people to renominate it for FARC on my screen. The template says "This article is a former featured article removal candidate. Please see the archive to see why the proposal to remove its featured status failed." That's all. I quite agree it's bad enough, that one should have to look at a star with a point missing just because somebody did have a whim to FARC it—a request that nobody voted for! (I'll delete the stupid "FARC failed" template if you like.) Bishonen | talk 09:28, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Sorry, eavedropping again: FARCfailed is not passing a judgement on the article, only saying that someone thought its "featured article" status should be removed, and provides a link to the discussion (where, clearly, there was no consensus for that opinion, otherwise formerFA would be there instead).  If anyone else has the same idea, the template could help forestall their objections, since clearly the community thought otherwise last time.  I see that Worldtraveller has just edited the template to remove any suggestion that the article should be proposed at WP:FARC again. -- ALoan (Talk) 11:32, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Yep, I was eavesdropping too and agreed that the FARCfailed tag shouldn't invite new removal nominations so tried to tone it down a bit. As for Firenze/Florence, at least it wasn't anglicized quite as monstrously as Livorno/Leghorn... Worldtraveller 12:33, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
 * It is not just the English. My personal favourite is "Venedig", but perhaps Giano should tell about the famous French city of "Parigi" or the well-known English city of "Londra". -- ALoan (Talk) 13:28, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi
Back, kind of, quietly. Are all your English friends still drunk with cricket? Filiocht | Talk 14:49, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
 * An Italian cricket lover! Ever wonder if you have spent too long in England? Filiocht | The kettle's on 07:33, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
 * So, you're turning into John Major? Filiocht | The kettle's on 08:00, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

incivility
This is regarding your post here Even though you (and I} may not agree with his views please try to remain civil. Telling a user to shutup is very rarely warranted.  Thanks.  Jtkiefer  T - 16:15, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

 * "Latin, emotional and surprisingly forthright" - no (as it happens, I have never needed to stand up on my hind legs in open court). Iron fist and velvet glove, what. -- ALoan (Talk) 09:17, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

 * "Witticisms at [your] expense"?! I've been looking at PP from time to time, but I've been waiting for it to be completed before copyediting.  One thing I think it does need is a map and description of its location in Florence:  IIRC, it is on the less fashionable south bank of the Arno, near the Ponte Vecchio. -- ALoan (Talk) 10:29, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Jtkiefer is partly right. A remark such as that is indeed very rarely warranted. Yet on this very rare occasion, it was fully warranted. Giano, in its context (etc etc), your first message was excellent; I regret that you felt compelled to write the follow-up. -- Hoary 09:37, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Those comments were in relation to my concerns of editors refusing to totally adhere to policy -even in instances where they were well-intended mistakes. (We can change policy when we don't like it, and that is sometimes being done in regards to my concerns; Even if I don't like the changes, it is better to have it clarified.) Anyhow, I am sorry if I offended anybody, but I simply did not feel that the "process" was working in all instances -or in all facets. Maybe I went a little bit overboard, but let me be clear: When I am told to seek consensus on something, and then I try to seek consensus (in, say, an informal vote), and then have people not tell me their thoughts & help "form consensus," but merely complain -heck, anybody, might go a little "overboard," but all the same, I apologize if I offended anybody. Additionally, I've been a tad overworked and am going on an informal "Wiki-break," and wish to leave this place better off after I have left.--GordonWatts 18:12, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Re: User_talk:Cormaggio
Wow, that was quick! Thanks. Cormaggio @ 18:41, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

E-mail
Replied! Bishonen | talk 15:39, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Sketch for "Giano was here" template
What a good idea, does it have to be an actual photo of you? I've been thinking more in terms of symbolic representations of your importance to Wikipedia: something like this. Of course the frame needs to be enhanced by a few inches of whitespace, or pinkspace, all the way round, but maybe we can find some image wiz to fix that technical detail. (Disclosure: I originally uploaded the image of the amazing Charles Blondin for SlimVirgin's Tightrope Award.) Bishonen | talk 10:49, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I too like your idea, but I don't think it goes far enough. What about pages you haven't had time to think about? What about pages others think you should work on?  If your name crosses our mind, why shouldn't we be able to add it to a page, somehow?  And, hey, if you could integrate it somehow with the "Hot Slutty Jewish Actresses from Brasil" template, that would be great, too.    paul klenk talk 12:21, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I was once the Eastern seaboard. What a view!  paul klenk talk 12:47, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Pitti
Yes, I think you'll have another FA to your name soon. Never been to Florence, but I feel like I have, as the Italian city-state formed a large part of my degree in cultural history. Maybe someday. It is cold here today, outside this well-appointed office. Filiocht | The kettle's on 09:58, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I'll do what I can. Filiocht | The kettle's on 11:28, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

 * You could not invent it: discovered at the Pitti Palace:  "Grand Duchy of Tuscany toilet used as storeroom ... two of the world's first modern-style bathrooms".  -- ALoan (Talk) 17:58, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I would not wish to invent it. Thank you ALoan for your valued input here. Before you even think, have the slightest inkling, or brain murmur. to even hint at this on  Palazzo Pitti FAC (which any second NOW will become a FA) I suggest (strongly)  you keep your thoughts to yourself.  Do you have a family pet ALoan? a sweet little terrier perhaps, a darling little kitten, or even a horse, with a very big HORSE'S HEAD........well that's nice you take good care of them, accidents do happen so easily.  Kindliest regards Il Siciliano

PS: Did you notice in the page (not that I bothered to read it) referred to Palazzo Pitti, not Pitti Palace. Oh and " Ritirata della Granduchessa" does not mean "Lavatory of the Grand Duchess" as your article states but "withdraw of the Grand Duchess", ie Withdraw as in Drawing Room. Not as a method of contraception or anything else remotely lavatorial, which is a subject I strongly frown upon. Whatever it is your Royal family gets up to in their Drawing Rooms I can assure you the Italian do not! Just heed my advice ALoan.

Not!
Don't be silly, check your e-mail! Bishonen | talk 21:36, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Giovanni Vaccarini
R. Fiend turned Giovanni Vaccarini into a redirect, isn't that actually rather useful? I'm leaving it and deleting the AfD request instead. OK? Bishonen | talk 19:56, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Hello, goat thief. If you plan to have a section on the sic bar page that summarises Giovanni Battista Vaccarini, you can make it clear there, by writing "Main article: Giovanni Battista Vaccarini. Like this. If you don't have such a section, I don't know, exactly. Improvise, I guess. But if you mean make it clear on the subpage itself, no, not exactly. I think the standard is that you're not supposed to: you don't get to use a special name format, or to even call it a subpage. LEAVE MY GOAT ALONE. Bishonen | talk 23:20, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Cour d'honneur
Nice to be playing tennis with you once again, in the cour d'honneur... --Wetman 16:39, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Templates for deletion
Below has been copied here from Ta bu shi da yu's talk page, as he archived it hours after I posted it. Giano | talk 07:14, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Still with us I see, regarding your comment here That is not the place for one of your outbursts, but you force me to reply and defend myself. Your reverting a "few times" is here - you actually reverted 3 different editors who all disliked the template. You then posted all your friends, so that we had Netoholic come along and he reverted six times. My supposed non response to your talk page comment is here:. Regarding me being pissed off about the FARC debacle, I would have thought looking at the result it would be you pissed off rather than me. Regarding (your comment) : "I've gone off the air " You have not gone off the air. From the very moment you theatrically announced your departure you have been constantly popping up and down like an agitated infant. Now if you've nothing constructive to say it's better to say nothing at all. Giano | talk 13:36, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, I did archive it several hours after you posted it. Is this a crime? I reverted with the John Vanbrugh article because I felt that the bio infobox was a very good idea. Why would I feel pissed off that the FARC failed? FARC is not about winning or losing! If the article was improved and became less of an essay because of it, fantastic! If someone had added the exploding whale article to FARC I would not have been upset. I would have strongly opposed it on the FARC page, but not felt that I owned the article. That's the way I see you are editing things.
 * As for not going off the air: actually, I have. I have certainly popped up to defend myself and to vote on the TFD (only fair I would have though as I used the template being voted on quite often), but you'll notice that I have not made any article edits, which at the end of the day is really what counts.
 * Now you compare me to an agitated infant: that's a pretty disgusting thing to say to me when I'm obviously upset over the behaviour I'm seeing on this site. I would never make a personal comment like that if you ever decided that the stress was too much and you needed to leave. And I might point out that you never took into consideration that I was leaving due to a health problem (I get major depression at times) and the constant attacks were getting too much for me.
 * I want to clarify: are you saying that I should never have the ability to come back to this website? Are you implying that I should never edit a biography that you have been a major contributor to? Please clarify. You should also be aware that before I started getting into an edit war with you and you believed that I was unfair for listing your article on FARC I had no issue with you. Obviously there is bad blood now, I would very much like to put this away, but feel that you may not want to. My only goal on Wikipedia has been to build it and make it stronger. As I'm sure has been the case with yourself. So I'm asking you to please stop attacking me with things like comparing me to an infant, etc. It's really unpleasant and part of the reason I no longer want to contribute to this site in any great deal. - Ta bu shi da yu 01:38, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I shall be making no immediate response regarding my further thoughts as to this editor's allegations, conduct and behaviour; other than the comment and links I have already made here which explain my position fully. Giano | talk 09:55, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Gratuitous insults section
Yes, I'd imagine that inviting insult from Il padrino might not be the best idea in the world. Trust that the sickness isn't getting you down too much, you old goat. And congrats on the new FA. Your poets day is new to mee, I'm afraid. Filiocht | The kettle's on 13:38, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Nice one. So why am I still here? I'm going now. Talk to you next week. By the way, Bish if you read this, are you really mad at me?Filiocht | The kettle's on 14:00, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Giuseppe Venanzio Marvuglia
Totally new to me. He's "G. Venanzio Marvuglia" apparently in old references. Giano, you missed a church, Church of San Francesco di Sales There's a brief biography at that site with some more detail. But look at that interior: it's so English, so Palladian somehow. The arcade with paired pilasters, the plain frieze that runs all round the church. What am I remembering? what am I remembering? --Wetman 11:17, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Theodore Roosevelt
I made the changes we discussed already on FAC. Would you mind taking another look at the article and see if it meets your standards? Johnleemk | Talk 14:43, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Sic bar
Ah, the eccentric Sicilian baroque, it's fantastic! Bishonen | talk 23:36, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Alessandro Galilei
There must have been rivalry with Giacomo Leoni. Perhaps England was not big enough for two young Italian architects in 1714...--Wetman 00:00, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Apologies
Giano, I want to apologise for everything. I've talked to Bish, and apparently the Matthew Brettingham article was both her and your own first FA. I was not aware of this. I apologise for taking a while to get back to the FARC nomination. As for the templates, I was getting pretty defensive about that. I saw that someone (can't remember who) had gone and removed ALL the templates I added to the pages. They took quite a bit of time and on most of the articles I saw nothing on the talk page. This is why the edit war and the aggressive comment (which was probably out of line). Anyway, I'm sorry that there is bad blood between me and you - this was never my intention. However, I did feel that you were attacking me, and this is why I left. - Ta bu shi da yu 03:26, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
 * OK, I'm glad to hear that :-) I just wanted to make sure you understood what I felt happened, and for you to know that I'm owning up to any wrong-doing. I still, after all, want to make this the best site on the web! I'm sure you feel the same, and I just want to make sure we can have peace between the two of us so that we can continue working on the same site... I do very much value your contributions. - Ta bu shi da yu 14:17, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Slow, or what
It really is bad today. Not within my powers, though. Remember the old Sinn Fein slogan: Vote earlly. Vote often. Filiocht | The kettle's on 15:29, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Check sic bar now
Reload your page and take a look, I think it's ok now. Demi found an "unclosed" footnote template, with one instead of two curly parentheses at the end, and changed it. I think that was it, check it out. Bishonen | talk 20:50, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Oi!
What's going on with my Saint Christina she's only been live 5 minutes, I've never heard her called "on wheels" either, and I'm Sicilian too! Thanks for the revert, I was only filling in a red link for an architectural page, I know nothing much about the unfortunate woman - please expand of yo care too! Regards Giano | talk 11:56, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Hehe, that's just one of our regular vandals being a nuisance, you can ignore it, it's pretty high-visibility so it always gets reverted quickly. Thanks for the article, and happy editing! --fvw *  12:00, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Are you Martian?
Reading my Dante yesterday, as one does, and I came across this ond' ei per questo//sempre con l'arte sua la farà trista. Now the commentary says it refers to Mars, god of war, but I think I know who it really is. Filiocht | The kettle's on 12:38, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * That's it, now I know you're from Mars. And if you have money to give away, how about my Impoverished Irish Poets appeal? Filiocht | The kettle's on 13:06, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Are you a Baptist?
Fil: I suspect he was Martian, but remember: "la città che nel Batista mutò 'I primo padrone; ond' ei per questo …". I think he has now become Giano the Baptist! In any event he is certainly an alien. Paul August ☎ 16:49, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Non tutti quelli che hanno lettere dono savi, ogni regola ha un' eccezione.Giano | talk 17:04, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Question
You seem like the sort of person who may be able to answer this question - nothing to do with Wikipeda though you understand... Would the Rothschild family have records from when they owned their various properties in Buckinghamshire, particularly stuff like accounts books that would be of interest to family historians? If so, where is it likely to be held?

As an aside, if you can write an article detailing the many finer points of this building I know it's a project you'll enjoy. Apparently it is Grade two listed... -- Francs2000 22:58, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

 * That link is just what I was looking for, thanks! -- Francs2000 [[Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg|25px| ]] 16:25, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Spam
G'como and Fil and Geogre, and any others reading this (nudge, nudge), I'm sorry to be spamming, but I thought you might care to comment on this RfC. I wouldn't be bothering you if it wasn't for the skimpiness of the interest shown here. It's not a labyrinthine case, it's pretty much about one particular quarrel that went down yesterday, some of it on my talk page. I'm very much only suggesting you chip in if you've got the time and the interest, of course. NUDGE. Bishonen | talk 20:48, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

County Hall (a.k.a. The Battleship)
I'm intrigued to know, why is it a fascinating building? -- Francs2000 11:38, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I work in that building every day and I never knew that... -- Francs2000 [[Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg|25px| ]] 14:32, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Well if I do write an article for it I'm not as confident a photographer, and you can help! -- Francs2000 [[Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg|25px| ]] 21:38, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Slow burner
Believe it or not, voting take place in December. Being Wikipedia, we need enough time to change our minds. Thanks for your so eloquently expressed support for my comprehensive package of proposals. The new compulsory smiley-face/have a nice day logo will be added to your signature the day after I am elected. The automatic insertion of polite, friendly edit summaries may take some extra time to code. Filiocht | The kettle's on 12:31, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Indeed I do (move in mysterious ways). And indeed I will remind you. Filiocht | The kettle's on 12:44, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Why me?
Nobody but me seems to be watching this, for some reason. See how much vandalism it gets? See the Lone Ranger battling the forces of destruction? Bishonen | talk 16:42, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Architecture of Aylesbury
What I don't know about architecture could fill the Encyclopedia Britannica; what I do know could be written on the back of a postage stamp. How about we start with an architecture section in the Aylesbury article and work our way up? -- Francs2000 00:59, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

 * The building you are thinking about is the District Council office on Exchange Street, soon to be demolished if the plans to build the new theatre district go ahead. Buildings that I would say were interested architecturally are:
 * The Blue Leaney
 * County Hall
 * St Mary's Church
 * The Prebendal House (you mentioned it but I'm not sure why)
 * The Hickman Almshouses in Parson's Fee
 * The former Friar's Square before they demolished it
 * The prefabs in Southcourt that were only supposed to last ten years but are still there
 * Parrott & Coales's offices in Bourbon Street
 * The old Court House?
 * Any thoughts? -- Francs2000 [[Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg|25px| ]] 11:04, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

 * You beat me to it! There are some pics there now - more to come over the next couple of days (ran our of time!) - any questions about any of the choices then just ask. -- Francs2000 [[Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg|25px|  ]] 17:47, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Palermo Gesu
I added ] to Commons.wikimedia as you requested. Maybe you could add an extra line or two about it on the Wikitravel Palermo page. --elgaard 18:38, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Images
They won't download because the server's overloaded - all the American schoolkids writing articles about Pokemon no doubt. Which building has the Baroque doorway? I don't even no what baroque looks like...

County Hall was completed in 1966 and was designed by a bloke called T. Pooley. I'm sure the T stands for Tom or Thomas. He was the county architect at the time - I can point to one or two other places around Bucks that were designed by him but none as grand as County Hall.

I can find out who designed the county court - that shouldn't be too hard. Internally it's all brand spanking new because it was completely gutted by fire in 1978...

It's interesting what you say about Parrott and Coales' place. The building was the former friarage and was built in the 12th century - if you go round the back and look down there is a section of the original external wall still standing as a foundation for the newer exterior. The garden used to extend down as far as the railway station. So many things in Aylesbury are named after that one little building - Friars Square, Friarscroft Way, Friarage Road, Friarage Passage, the Friarscroft Car Park, the Friars Club - and very few people in Aylesbury realise that building is where it comes from. I think it might be possible to link the re-fronting of the building with the dissolution of the monasteries, when someone (will have to find out who) was given the building by the king and didn't like what it looked like so changed it. But yes it is possible to tell just by looking at the windows. I know someone who works there so if you ever fancy looking round inside let me know and I'll introduce you. -- Francs2000 19:40, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Can I test something?
Are you editing? Can I move a few sections around experimentally? Bishonen | talk 11:08, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, I have, hope it's not edit conflicting you. They ended up not moved around at all, only the heading hierarchy different, look at the TOC. Maybe the distribution of info across "Earthquake and patrons", "New cities", and "Give it a name" needs consideration if you go with the heading change. As in, GIAN shortened? Stuff moved from it to the others? I don't know, it depends what the focus of GIAN should be (this is assuming you do want all three subordinated to "SB from 1693"). Anyway, all easily reverted. --Bishonen | talk 11:31, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Away
I'll have to leave you to tweak and write to your heart's content over the weekend - I'm off to Normandy with a group of 55 teenagers. I hope the French know what's coming... -- Francs2000 17:43, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Je suis payé pour le faire! -- Francs2000 [[Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg|25px| ]] 18:03, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Non mais j'obtiens le temps de dans le lieu. -- Francs2000 [[Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg|25px| ]] 18:16, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Baroque and baroque
OK, so is there a distinction between Baroque and baroque, then? Reflected in the variations in Sic Bar, see e. g. the Lead? Please respond soonest. Bishonen | talk 18:13, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Me. Bishonen | talk 18:23, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
 * As in, I'll go with lowercase throughout unless you do intend a distinction between two ways of using it—like, 1) as a name, for instance "Sicilian Baroque" being the name of a style, and 2) not as a name, as in "Versailles had been completed in 1688 in the baroque style". Down with "The Queen" rubbish, long live lowercase! Note, incidentally, that the article Baroque suggests they're equally good choices. Are you dizzy yet? Just trust me. :-) Bishonen | talk 18:42, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Or not, of course. Mail. Bishonen | talk 20:38, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Tudorbethan Style architecture
Did you read the talk page and the discussions of the editors of this page before you, without discussion, changed it? Giano | talk 07:29, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I did, and the discussion was centered entirely around use of the terms Tudor vs. Tudorbethan which the move does not affect. Additionally, even before the move the opening sentence of the article began "The Tudorbethan style..." (italics added by me).--Lordkinbote 07:42, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Sick Bar
I wash my hands often. That's my sick bar. I'm working through the article slowly, obviously, but we'll get there. I take the point about the Bacchanal, and that would be a manic orgy indeed, what with the Maenads in attendance, but I'm still wondering if there is an antonym for it. If not, why not? Geogre 13:54, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, they haven't objected because they don't have enough experience of orgies to know whether it is possible to crank them up to 11, and those who have been to orgies are probably too busy to read the article! Mind you, an antonymn to an orgy is not the same as antimony, which would end an orgy in much the same way as matrimony.  Geogre 15:35, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Going through the prose now. It's slow, but I want to light the candle rather than curse the darkness, so, after doing the grammatical stuff, I'll be able to vote to support. No doubt at all that the article has more information per inch than any ten pop song or video game FA's. We just need to make sure that there are no flies on the surface that hide the juicy, succulent information from the hungry eyes of the famished readers (who die from lack of information on the Sic Bar). (An eelemoysonary metaphor!) Geogre 02:02, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Bezantee
Actually, I don't know better, but your edit summary was less than convincing. It seems unlikely that the term is referring to something besides the Norman period, which has been well-defined for several centuries. — BRIAN 0918 • 2005-10-23 19:38

It might be that the term is now called something else, but that still doesn't warrant removing the Norman period reference. The proper thing to do would be to find out what the term is referred to today, and redirect the current article to that term, keeping the Norman period reference intact. — BRIAN 0918 • 2005-10-23 19:41
 * I would rather not remove the reference until it can be found what the term for Bezantée moulding is called today. In 1911, it was called that, and was something used in the Norman period. Lack of evidence in your books is not evidence, whereas the exact words of the 1911 Britannica are evidence. — BRIAN 0918 • 2005-10-23 20:43
 * The 1911 Britannica entry means nothing to you? — BRIAN 0918 • 2005-10-23 21:26

County Hall etc
County Hall is fifteen floors that are in use as offices, if you count the ground, mezzanine and basement levels. In addition to being the main HQ for BCC it also houses the County Reference Library, Aylesbury Register Office and the Centre for Buckinghamshire Studies (what other counties call the Record Office). Construction began in 1964 and was completed by 1966 and I'm sure I read Tom Pooley, but will double check.

Ardenham House is still there but due to road planners being on crack at the time is no longer in Whitehall Street but in Buckingham Street. I will photograph it when I next get out with the camera.

Presently the big concrete wheatabix is known as County Hall, the older building across the road is known as Old County Hall, and the Vanbrugh-style building in Market Square is the County Court. The two county halls are not linked, not even underground. -- Francs2000 12:41, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

 * County Hall cost £956,000 in 1964. The officialy number of floors is 12 but I can tell you it's actually 15.  Often referred to as "Pooley's Folly" and yes it is Fred B. Pooley.  It stands at 200 ft in height.

 * Also the courthouse is called Aylesbury Crown Court. The Judge's Lodgings behind it was constructed in 1849-50 designed by Edward Buckton Lamb (1806-1869).  It was used as the lodgings for the judges of the quarter sessions between 1850 and 1971 (when the assize courts were abolished) and is now used as offices, conference rooms and the County Councillors' Lounge.  Interesting what you can find out on an afternoon when you're supposed to be working.  If youth services fail in Bucks it's your fault.

 * Churches: St John's in Cambridge Street was demolished years ago and there are few pictures of it. Only one solitary tower of the Congregational Church in High Street remains, and it's no longer used as a church.  What Wesleyan Chapel in Friarage Passage?  The RC Church is St Joseph's (I think). -- Francs2000 [[Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg|25px|  ]] 16:28, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Churches
I have found a picture here of the Wesleyan Chapel in Friarage Passage and can confirm that it has been demolished. That whole area was redeveloped when the Safeways supermarket (now Morrisons) by the railway station was built. I have removed mention of the chapel and of St John's in Cambridge Street out of the article. -- Francs2000 18:04, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Asymetry: oops -- Francs2000 [[Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg|25px| ]] 19:01, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

South Portico
Sorry to get into a silly argument. Anyway as I said I will go and take a better picture as it is really bad. Anything else at Blenheim you want pictures of while I am there? Its really rainy so it probably wont be before the weekend. Justinc 20:53, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Pooley's Folly...
...is what it was known as at the time, apparently. -- Francs2000 22:45, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Bezantee
You should see what my old message looked like. It started out as a joke, but people don't have senses of humor around here. I've emailed a few departments with people who wrote books on Norman architecture. They should know for sure. — BRIAN 0918 • 2005-10-24 23:26
 * I got a reply from one of the people I contacted. She believes that, "it is simply one decorative motif that was used in door and window surrounds--I do not get the impression that it was distinct in significance from other styles of molding. There is a reproduction molding available today that is very similar--perhaps it is known by another name now." She's going to send me an architectural drawing she found of the bezantée moulding style. — <b style="color:black;">BRIAN</b> 0918  • 2005-10-26 17:41

Sic transit
I don't know if you've heard about the new much stricter image copyvio and "fair use" policy, that's what's causing all this image trouble. Just look at the threatening new tag on old friend! Sad... GMaxwell just showed me a whole list of my old "fair use" crimes on IRC. I guess I'll go delete the ETPH-related ones myself. Be warned that your well-deserved, and I assume treasured, "ye olde bidet" award may suddenly disappear from your page! He melted when I showed him this evidence of my creativity with illegal images, though. I don't know if you've seen that. Well, the Adminship is actually quite properly tagged, released by artist and uploader (it's a painting by my mother, and I got her to upload it herself). Bishonen | talk 02:15, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

County Hall dates
1964 to 1966 is definitely correct, it says it on the foundation stone at the front and in every history book I have sat here by the computer for this project. -- Francs2000 16:48, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

illustration
Hi, 'illustration' is kind of long and unwieldy to appear so often, and has a wider meaning than 'picture'. The latter is more attractive, I think. I also removed the italic Tony 09:11, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Sure, you're the expert, and frankly, I was out of my depth in making those comments. Cheers. Tony 10:05, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Despite my preference for the short and unpretentious, "Picture" seems a bit silly somehow. How about "Illus."?
 * Forget about CSS for now. Did you see my comment in the discussion page about how the numbering was screwed up and the only slightly laborious way to fix it?
 * PS Giano, every time the blinkered obsessions of certain WP-creators starts to depress me, I take a look at what you're doing and I'm cheered and the whole implausible enterprise (or anyway most of it) seems worthwhile after all. -- Hoary 12:27, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

FA Candidate
Course this should qualify as a featured article, Giano. As I see it, the non-trivial problem is that it does still seem a bit baggy and digressive. So we'll work on that. Other problems (oddities of style, list numbering, etc.) aren't negligible but are pretty trivial.

New York is indeed an extraordinary city: I have two of the monster volumes by Stern et al (New York 1930 etc.) and occasionally think of picking up the others as well. Your desire as a ten-year-old wasn't utterly devoid of merit. Just about 98% devoid of it, that's all! (How does this architecture strike you?) -- Hoary 13:32, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Editorial recipe
If ever community edits seem to be running ahead of facts and sense, try this. Open the article in two tabs. Select "Edit" for one, but set the edit at a coherent baseline, perhaps your original edit. Ignore the "Warning: You are editing an out-of-date revision of this page." Using the comparative edit history feature to highlight the cumulative changes, generously select the genuine improvements: copy and paste them into the article. Save. --Wetman 17:38, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

the Baroque
I think it's much better with 'the'. Tony 19:34, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Category:Architects of the Sicilian Baroque
I agree. You can revert them to the Sicilian Baroque category. Could we write in French or Italian ? I live in Europe and I am not fluent in English, something I want to change in the next couple of years. --Stefanomione 23.31, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Mail
Mail. Bishonen | talk 21:38, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Sicilian Baroque
I think you're being a bit too dramatic on the FAC page. The point of FAC is to be the final step in collaboratively bringing an article to Featured Status. When I submitted Norman Borlaug (FAC page), I had it much worse on FAC. It took over a couple weeks to get everything worked out. Your's has only been in FAC for 5 days. I'm not sure why you gave up so quickly, you were nearly there. Submitting to FAC isn't make-or-break. You just listen to the objections, do what you can to fix them, keep talking to people, and get it all worked out. — <b style="color:black;">BRIAN</b> 0918 • 2005-10-27 01:20

Giano, some looking around in the history of this page brought up some examples of the kind of edits that, had I been you, would have irritated me a lot. I don't want to name names here or evaluate the edits; I merely say that I understand your position. At the same time, I'm acutely aware that I'm not Geogre, and thus infer that I've been one of the irritants. If that is so, I regret it. As I look at the article, I'm entranced -- but I also think it can be improved somewhat, and without any dumbing down whatever. It certainly deserves care, and this is one reason (another being all the WP-unrelated work I must get done) why I'm determined that my changes to it will be slow and careful ones, giving you time to decide whether to keep them or revert them.

Your abandoning this article would be a pity. What would be much worse would be your abandoning of long articles in general. These are terribly hard for most people to do, whereas you have the knack (talent, knowledge, and sheer stamina) for them. -- Hoary (your chum from Rousham) 03:06, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Giano, my irreligiosity extends to non-Buddhism (or is it non-Hinduism?), but I must derive some little amusement from the cold into which I sink, and perhaps find it in the notion that what's to blame is bad karma (or was it dharma?) from screwing up the numbering or whatever of S B. Anyway I'll have to reread your message a bit later when more of my synapses are firing. In the meantime, though: no, I didn't take offence at all. And take a break from S B if you like, but please don't desert it. (Ah, if I had your knowledge and stamina I'd do an article on Vilnius baroque.) Hoary 12:16, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Re this edit -don't get so hyped up. It's a good article and I have promoted it. I would have promoted it earlier but I've been a bit overworked this week. So just take a deep breath and chill.... :) →Raul654 21:02, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations! And as you'll see, I've done some twiddling to one more section. Again, I shan't proceed to the next section till I've seen that you've digested (adopted, rejected, improved on) my latest contribution/degradation. -- Hoary 23:32, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Giano, Grutness is (or rather was) in on the FARC nonsense as I pulled him into it. I'm sure that all this will be sorted out quickly. What's trickier (in places) and more important is expressing the correct meaning. Later, I'll do some web and perhaps even (gasp!) library research. Oh, a minor point: I previously "de-linked" "pier" because (as it stood when I looked at it) pier wasn't at all helpful, instead talking of structures built out to sea. I don't mind red links, but don't like useless blue ones, even when those links may later be made useful. -- Hoary 07:13, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

On ''Its looking very nice, I wonder how long you are to be left alone, I'd put the Inuse up if I were you. I probably will edit it again sometime, lets see what happens, at the moment speedy delete seems a good alternative. You are'' nuts (smiley). No, it's not at all "in use", at least from my point of view, which is that: While it's wonderful and all that, the article does indeed have its problems. A necessary but insufficient condition for me to help fixing these is that I should understand absolutely everything. I've going through it slowly, sentence by sentence, looking for oddities. Those whose fixes are pretty obvious aren't very important, but I might as well fix them as I go along. What are important are those whose fixes aren't obvious; for the most part, I'm asking about these bits in SGML comments. I don't see any need for a rush, and I think it's better for you, me, and anybody else (Bishonen?) if I do it in fairly easily digestible chunks: I do a chunk, then you (Bishonen, somebody?) checks the diff and confirms, reverts or improves my minor changes; I do the next chunk, another diff check, etc. I don't think of the article as "mine" for any period of over twenty minutes or so: of course, it's irritating when there's an edit conflict, but this is so for any article. Indeed, it's particularly not "in use" at this time, because I'm at a stage where just about every change is discrete (as well as discreet). If somebody with more knowledge, talent, stamina etc. than myself overtakes me and does the whole thing while I'm asleep tonight, I shan't complain at all. -- Hoary 10:02, 28 October 2005 (UTC) PS I've waffled a bit about the relationship between the E–W orientation and sunshine, but at least I've retained the indication that there was a relationship. -- Hoary 10:11, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

On although why you are doing this, I don't know: Simple, Giano -- it's a good article, but it can and should be slightly better. That it has led well intentioned and otherwise sane people to say some rather silly things will probably soon be forgotten and is beside the main point, which is for it to be one of the best sources (perhaps the best on the web) on Sicilian Baroque. But enough of this for a few hours: I'm going home. Meanwhile, if you'd like to refresh yourself with a different and not-yet-dramatized-by-anyone question, consider The Great Footnote Size Debate. Till tomorrow! -- Hoary 10:32, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

No Go Areas
I'v been resisting it because I feared you may swear at me like last time. Two words: Walton Court. I can't do any photos today but have some spare time at the weekend. I'll also try to get one of the prefabs too because they are pretty fab. Oh and the 1930s houses in Stonehaven Road are quite art-deco in style and run-down all at the same time... -- Francs2000 11:52, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Incidentally I'm going to try and get a piccie of the Blue Leaney and the other Eq. Life building   but it's quite difficult because there's no good vantage point to take it from without getting run over.  The company that designed it won international awards at the time so it's be silly to leave it out. -- Francs2000 [[Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg|25px|  ]] 23:50, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Re: RFA
Hi Giano. To keep the disussion coherent, I'll copy your reply to Tony's RfA. I hope you didn't feel I was attacking your vote. I respect your opinion (and enjoy your articles). I was just hoping you might have been able to offer more information on the behaviour you think is inappropriate for an admin. I know Tony is fairly adament in his views on style (as am I, I suppose), but I haven't personally witnessed anything that might be described as "bombastic". I asked only because the objections have made me feel uncomfortable with my support, and I'm now leaning more towards neutrality, even though I congratulate Tony's efforts. I wanted to know, basically, if you think he is persistently "bombastic". Thank you anyway, :)--Cyberjunkie | Talk 10:26, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Aylesbury Images
It was never my intention to use all the images uploaded for the Aylesbury article; it is nice, however, to have a choice of which building one writes about. -- Francs2000 11:19, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Apology
Hi Giano,

I'd like to offer my apology for claiming (in his RfA) that you may have come near to a personal attack on Tony1. I've removed the statement from my comments there. You did no such thing; my perceptions were a little blurred, mostly because I'm still not happy with you regarding the Sicilian Baroque rollback. But that certainly gave me no reason to say you personally attacked him or anyone. Again, sorry. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 04:28, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

WikiLove
Oh, Giano - (I feel myself becoming all vocative) - I hope we are and remain friends, but friends have to be honest with each other on occasion. I must admit that I just haven't seen the complete vilification you mention (and if I have missed it, then I am truly sorry - I am not around here much at the moment; please forgive my ignorance if I am misinformed).

The fact is that wikipedia is weak in two areas: verifiability, and typography. Tony is strong in the latter: he invariably suggests improvements on FAC. That it more or less the extent of my knowledge of him, but I value his contribution (along with all the others who do the massive amount of unrecognised grunt work). I was actually suggesting that both you and he walk away from confrontation; which is not to say that you abandon your principles or point of view, but that you should both respect each others' views, and forgive and forget. Far too much of everyone's time at this place is taken up with destructive in-fighting.

You know that I deeply respect and value your contributions; I hope you would also recognise that they can be improved - that is the very essence of this project (god knows, I am always surprised and grateful how, amid the slew of vandalism and other bad contributions, my contributions are improved by others). Sicilian Baroque is a stellar contribution, one of which you are justifiably proud, but surely you would admit that not every dot and tittle, comma and semi-colon is in the right place? Wholesale reversion is not the way to deal with good-faith attempts to improve an article. I would not want you to go any more that I would want Tony to go - if you were threatening to leave over this debacle, I would be encouraging you to stay. -- ALoan (Talk) 16:25, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Mail
Read your mail already, c'mon! Bishonen | talk 20:28, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Robert Lawson looking splendid on the Main page today. Filiocht | The kettle's on 14:04, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm busy myself
Can you remind me of the images you want for the Aylesbury architecture article? Time is precious at the moment, and I don't want to waste time taking unnecessary snaps. -- Francs2000 23:58, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Oh everything's ok, I've just got a busy week at work this week before jetting off to Belfast this weekend. And my horoscope said "don't have any important discussions at the weekend: cancel if you can".  Pity really, I've been looking forward to this weekend.

 * Anyway the photographs I was going to take (or at least try) were:
 * The Grapes (the blue and white Regency building)
 * Walton Court
 * The Blue Leaney
 * A prefab in Southcourt
 * One of the many new housing estates
 * Francs2000 [[Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg|25px| ]] 19:10, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks for the kind words -- that really made my day! I'm glad I could be helpful to you, and I'm pleased that you're having such a long and productive stint as a Wikipedia editor. Best wishes to you! — Catherine\talk 22:08, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Lawson & Mountfort
I note from the FACs that you were the principal editor in the Robert Lawson and Benjamin Mountfort articles. I was bold and copyedited them both even though they are FAs. Please feel free to revert anything you do not agree with. My boldness failed me in the Benjamin Mountfort article and I thought it best I bring my concern to an interested party. First, a minor concern is with the use of judgement calls (especially with architectural interpretations) such as "It appears..." or "this seems...". It would help the article to make these concrete statements by either referencing whose opinion this is or by making them into facts (it is or it isn't). Same with the "obvious renaissance, Tudor style, and Gothic influences" (if that is true please point out what led to that conclusion or reference that judgement). Secondly, my bigger concern, is the unreferenced quotations in the Mountfort article. There is a quote from a newspaper but it does not mention which newspaper or the date of publication. So, I guess it really isn't a quotation, but it is formatted like one. Is it possible to reference this (or re-format the sentence)? There is a second "quotation" down the page with no reference to which book or what page in the book it comes from. --maclean25 20:03, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I can live with your version of the "dearth of architects". I changed it for two reasons: (a) I just thought it flowed better this way and (b) I'm wary of unreferenced judgement calls. Whose potential explanation is that? It is similar (but not quite) to a weasel term. Also, concerning the Gothic, Tudor influences thing, my confusion came from not knowing what it was about the buildings that had these influences (pretend I'm a non-expert). Is it just a broad generalization? or was it the building materials? the roof-line? a series of pillars? I read the Palladian architecture article. I really liked that. I'll make a few minor edits on it tomorrow. --maclean25 07:47, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
 * As I'm sure you've seen I went through the Palladian architecture article. My edits were more about grammar (parallelism, verb-tense agreement, rm incomplete sentences from behind semicolons, etc.) I’m afraid I may have re-interpreted a sentence at “In 1734 William Kent and Lord Burlington designed one of England's finest examples of palladian revival houses with Holkham Hall” (please check this). I must say though, I’m not a fan of the one-paragraph section. I interpret the purpose of a section to discuss one theme and the purpose of a paragraph to discuss one idea (of a theme). As such, I don’t understand why “Palladian window” is separated from “Palladio's architecture” as its own section. Also, why “English Palladianism”, “Irish Palladianism”, and “North American Palladianism” are not subsections of “The spread of Palladianism” which seems to be a parent section, rather than an equal. Anyways, thank you for encouraging to contribute to architecture-related articles, but my interests and background lean more towards cities and urban planning. I write about what I know and criticize the rest. --maclean25 19:43, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Mediawiki broke our sigs again
Good to see you back, depressing to see you saying you'll do no more FAs, but I understand, I've gone off it myself, compare So, the sigs got broken again. You can get your "talk" sig back by typing the complete sig code — Giano | talk — in the nickname field in Preferences and ticking the "raw signatures" box. How's tricks? Bishonen|talk 11:33, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Wot, no more Giano FAs? I can't believe it. Maybe you'd look at Peer review/Objectivist poets/archive1 for me? Filiocht | The kettle's on 12:23, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I will include a few lines indeed. I withdrew from the ArbCom election because Jimbo seems to have decreed that there will not be one. He's going to chat with his mates and pick the people they suggest. Wonder how many of the people they suggest will be Jimbo's mates? Filiocht | The kettle's on 14:17, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

I got problems in editing the List of radio broadcasting companies of the United States
Antwerp, Belgium, 15 November 2005.

Hello !!!

After trying to edit the part XM Satellite Radio - List of radio broadcasting companies of the United States for a couple of hours, it seems I lack the knowledge of some details to edit it properly.

Whenever you got 5 minutes, could you edit it so I can see what I did wrong ?

Thanks !!

Stefanomione, 15 november 2005

Stefanomione@yahoo.fr 0032.497.20.19.79

Sicilian Baroque
Working on a translation of the article into Italian.

Hope you don't mind. --151.96.0.8 16:52, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Meraviglioso. Mi diletto. I hope it receives a better response than it did here. Giano | talk 17:11, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia!
Welcome!

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. Have you been been welcomed yet? In any case,, it's time you were again! Thank you for your contributions. Since you have been here for a while, we can pretty much assume you are not a troll, vandal, or clueless newbie. I hope you continue to like the place and don't get all grumpy and leave over nothing. Here are a few good links for newcomers, even though you aren't one:

 * How to edit a page
 * Editing, policy, conduct, and structure tutorial
 * Picture tutorial
 * How to write a great article
 * The Five Pillars of Wikipedia
 * Naming conventions
 * Manual of Style
 * Merging, redirecting, and renaming pages
 * If you're ready for the complete list of Wikipedia documentation, there's also Topical index.

I hope you still enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian, and won't get mad over something stupid and leave! By the way, please be sure to continue to sign your name on Talk and vote pages using four tildes (~~~~) to produce your name and the current date, or three tildes (~~~) for just your name. If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the village pump or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome, and I look forward to welcoming you many more times! --Bishonen|talk 19:59, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Bugger off! this is the page of a miserable old bastard! Giano | talk 21:44, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Love old newcomers even more! Ahimsa! --Bishonen|talk 22:34, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
 * How lovely, may I call you Oh Giano, Giano, Giano, too? Bishonen|talk 23:14, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Private chapel
Hiya Giano. I was wanting to add info. on the private chapel at Buckingham Palace but wasn't sure where to put it so I thought you might have a read of what I know and put it in?
 * The first chapel was originally a library on the south side of the palace called the Octagonal Library and built in the 1760s at the request of George III. Vicky didn't like it though and had one of the conservatories facing the garden made into a chapel (the one which was bombed) and it was consecrated by William Howley, Archbishop of Canterbury in 1843 (who, incidentally, also crowner her, but that's irrelevant here I guess). It was later restored (but I'm not sure when) and in the '50s most of it became part of the new Queen's Gallery and opened to the public on 27 July 1962.

Thanks Craigy (talk) 09:05, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Douglas Corrigan FAC
Hi: I have expanded the Douglas Corrigan with the intent of addressing your comments at Featured article candidates/Douglas Corrigan/archive1. Does it yet merit your support? —Theo (Talk) 20:23, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Go on, have a spasm
G'como, there's nothing to see on the October 23 of IFD that you linked to as what the photographer took umbrage at, it prolly wasn't a durable diff. I mean, it'll have been archived or whatever. You need to make the link via the history, not the heading on the page. I'd like to read it, I suppose it's the most important one (I had read the others before, though I didn't remember it clearly). Did you see the "list of administrators who say "fuck" in edit summaries" on the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/Duncharris Duncharris RFC talk? Look for me under "3". :-) I'm surprised, actually. I thought I'd only done it the once, on an occasion I remember with great clarity. But I suppose I may well have edited the article Fuck or something like that. Bishonen | talk 22:29, 22 November 2005 (UTC) [[Image:Wikimedal.jpg|thumb|For all the great [[WP:FA|FAs]] from Filiocht, 23rd Nov. 2005]] The place just wouldn't be the same without your nose stuck in somewhere it doesn't belong. Long may you continue. Filiocht | The kettle's on 14:00, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you Filiocht | The kettle's on 13:25, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

What would you like me to do?
Sorry, I really didn't anticipate that my comments in my RfA might be like salt in a wound - in my mind, you were vindicated after all that and are still a Good Guy, and certainly right about Tony1. The RfA question asked about stress and my response to it; that's the incident that has stressed me the most — even if I was mostly on the sidelines — and I truly regretted saying that about you.

What would you have me do? I'll edit that part out of my comments if you like, or retract my RfA and try again later if you feel it's going to cause you problems. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 22:47, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Barocco siciliano
Ciao Giano, passo raramente da EnWiki, per cui vedo solo ora il tuo post. Normalmente mi si trova su ItWiki. Non ho capito a cosa si riferiscono i tuoi complimenti, non mi pare che il mio piccolo contributo li meriti. Comunque lieto di conoscerti. A presto -- Arch Enzo 21:35, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

You can scan a book cover and use it under fair use in an article on, or containing a significant percentage of discussion of, that book in question. It's fair use, as I understand it. Yes, my talk page is getting very serious these days. I really miss the golden age of the toilet brush holder. Filiocht | The kettle's on 11:45, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

I Zingari
I've heard of them, but don't have much information at hand. I've cobbled together a stub from the scany online sources. -- ALoan (Talk) 12:14, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Definitely not a sub-stub. Filiocht | The kettle's on 12:17, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Arguably more than a stub, but there is always more to say. Better than Old Stagers, anyway. Frederick Ponsonby - what a card. -- ALoan (Talk) 13:53, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Go on Giano, ask him a hard one! Filiocht | The kettle's on 15:41, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Precarious health
OH NOES! Don't tell me you've got a blocked nose again! Try to rest, dear. Bishonen | talk 20:21, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Awards
Thanks for the nice Sicilian decoration and the cute goat. That was my first award (and my first goat). Here is some bonus information on PP, which I though perhaps a bit too crufty to put in the article:

In 1856, the shoemaker John Haine set fire to a barn and outbuildings belonging to a Mr Hawkins, for which crime he was sentenced to be transported for 14 years.(The Times, Saturday, Apr 05, 1856; pg. 12; Issue 22334; col B)

In the 1950s, a helicopter training school was located in the area, and the noise from the helicopters greatly annoyed Rosemary Thompson of Knapp Grange in Preston Plucknett, a local councillor, who wrote letters to the editor of The Times both in 1955 and 1959, expressing her complaints; the latter year she mentioned one low-flying helicopter which had actually nearly ignited the thatched roof on her house, and a crash occurring uncomfortably close to the village.

It seems that the Encyclopaedia Britannica doesn't even have an article on Preston Plucknett! Bah!

--Uppland 22:22, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Estate (land), Estate (area), Estate (house)
I have reviewed the changed made earlier today regarding Estate (disambiguation). Within the context supplied by the bot, I thought after my changes that they linked to the correct place. After further (in-depth) review of the articles there were a few that needed changes from Estate (land) -> Estate (area) and Estate (land) -> Estate (house). I reverted a couple of others as the article was ambiguous regarding land or house. I apologize for any changes made that pointed to the wrong definition of Estate. If you find any others or have suggestions please let me know. - Kaiserb 00:18, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

 * The Estate (land) article is illiterate rubbish (sorry to be so blunt!) and the meanings it attempts to define are covered far better by Estate (house) and Estate (area). Perhaps it would be better to merge them? (I spent some time redirecting some of the "land" links to "house", but then decided it was probably a waste of time...) I also added some "see also" links so that anyone happening to go to, or linking to, Estate (land) can find the better articles. Perhaps I should simply have cut-and-pasted the relevant parts of Estate (house) to replace the Estate (land) article completely? SiGarb 22:20, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Brympton d'Evercy
Another excellent tale. I tightened it up; you may want to loosen it a bit. Hinton House: isn't that the Poulett house called Hinton St George? I'd sharply reduce the Inigo Jones denial and focus on local builder, local stone, local network of patrons, resulting in "Country Jones". For Jonesy houses, there's also John Webb and Sir Hugh May. Dang, I can't find my Colvin. --Wetman 01:42, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Excellent "Country Jones" section. I added material from Nicholas Cooper and tweaked. --Wetman 14:17, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Jingle bells
Pre-congratulations! And good, defending the article against the inevitable rush of "improvements" by birdbrains will give me a good excuse to be glued to the computer that day, which I'd otherwise spend cleaning up our slummy old (and by then I hope mostly empty) apartment. (I don't mind at all not sharing the yo-ho-ho festivities, but I don't like to have my nose buried in dust bunnies and mildewy old tatami.) -- Hoary 05:26, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

ArbCom
We're still just talking about voting :( Filiocht | The kettle's on 08:42, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

My editing may be irregular for a couple of weeks.

Thanks
I meant to thank you for the decorative addition to my talk page. I trust it will not be too difficult to look after (unlike small children, I understand that they will eat almost anything, so I will try to keep it away from the roses...) Curried goat is rather popular in certain areas, I understand. -- ALoan (Talk) 17:00, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Re image: you are most welcome. Functional, rather than pretty, but a useful trick to know.

 * Do I discern a subtle pattern to your recent votes on FAC? -- ALoan (Talk) 14:19, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

 * "Some fool", eh? I also thought the Portuguese history page looked quite good but needed work.  It is not a topic I know very well or have much inclination towards, although I have dabbled with 1755 Lisbon earthquake (very topical this year) and the Portuguese Inquisition (No-one expects the Portuguese Inquisition ... amongst our weapononry as such items as bacalhau and port... ).

 * I should get around to looking at Sicilian Baroque. So much to do; so little time... -- ALoan (Talk) 14:47, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I must say, Giano, your userpage is looking splendid. ALoan, how could you accuse our beloved eccentric of producing anything as ordinary as a pattern? Filiocht | The kettle's on 14:40, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Oh, just a flight of fancy, I am sure. -- ALoan (Talk) 14:47, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Cobweb? I have dared to tread where other fools have come to grief.  Mostly turning black words blue (or red).  It looks fantastic, btw. -- ALoan (Talk) 16:49, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, it makes it a trifle difficult to verify the contents of the article if the researcher does not speak the language used in the reference! This is the English wikipedia, you know.  I gave similar advice to the author of the Battle of Vaslui recently - it is quite good, but the references were all in Moldavian, and I could see the objection coming... -- ALoan (Talk) 18:04, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

fr:Baroque sicilien
Dear Giano,

Greetings from Paris. I'm pleased to tell you that the translation of your impressive article is now complete ! Since you seem to have some good knowledge of the French language, feel free to come by and make comments on any aspect you like or dislike. The article is obviously going to be granted (or so I hope) the French FA status, which is fine. :=)

Keep up the great work !

 * Manchot sanguinaire, 2:25 PM, Dec 9th 2005
 * > You're quite welcome. :)

statue of Leon Battista Alberti
Dear Giano, You uploaded the image of statue of Leon Battista Alberti. I'm looking for the statue image for commerial use. It can be found nowhere. Do you have a high resolution image? Can take one? Any help/suggestion are going to be highly appreciated... and compensated :) Take care. Rossul (rossul@mac.com)

Collegio di Spagna
Hi Giano! I wonder if you could keep your eyes open for any PD images of the Collegio di Spagna in Bologna (photographs, old engravings, plans etc). Do you possibly know anyone in Bologna who could take some nice colour images? Any other medieval or later Italian colleges would be of interest too, but that one is the most important one, as it was a model for later foundations. I am working on a rewrite of College, which I intend to be more balanced and have more on colleges outside Angloworld. (I will also see if I can find something on my own here in my local library.) Uppland 20:59, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I just got a promise from User:Biopresto in Bologna, that he would take some photographs of the Collegio di Spagna and other university buildings. But in case you would happen to stumble on some historical image of the Collegio somewhere, it would still be of interest. Uppland 15:40, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Encore baroque sicilien
- Félicitations. Jean-Claude Hello again Giano. The voting process is going quite well since the article already gathered five supports without any opposition. Urban, while supporting the nomination, came up with a few remarks, especially about the "new cities" paragraph. He would like to know why new town plannings such as the one of Noto can be specifically called "Baroque". The rationality and the geometrical layout of the streets remind him rather of neoclassicism.

As a mere translator I'm quite embarrassed to answer that question and would be very much obliged to get your opinion on the issue.

Have a nice weekend,

 * Manchot sanguinaire, 2:34 PM, Dec. 10th 2005

Thank you so much for your help ! Your explanations will do just fine. I'll let you know when the article makes it to the FA status. (the vote must last at least one month)

Best wishes,

 * Manchot sanguinaire, 10:05 AM, Dec. 12th 2005

Block
Sorry, hadn't realised the IP ban was that broad. Homey 17:36, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

I've lifted the range block. Homey 17:38, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Arrangement of Images on the Delrina FAC
Hello! Just wanted to let you know that I have re-jigged the ordering of images somewhat. Not all in sequence, which would disrupt the in-context flow I am trying to set up, but I think I've come up with a better overall arrangement. And the addition of corporate template at the top was a suggestion from the Peer Review process. Please take a look at Delrina now and let me know what you think! Captmondo 03:14, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

The Doubtful Viscount
At Viscount the entry "Sir Christopher Johnson, KCAJ, KOV (1975) Viscount Dumas (2005)" has been self-entered, by a self-named User:Viscountdumas. "Viscount Dumas" does not register at Google. I suspect that this is the "Sir Christopher Johnson" of Knights of the Nwywre Order, one of those dreadful "Creative Anachronism" things. However, it could just be that the real Sir Christopher, the former chief economic adviser to Lloyds bank—O, unenviable position—has been gazetted in the past New Year's Honours. Now, I feel a bit like Helen Hayes in Anastasia in asking this, but, since I can't imagine even a viscount fresh-from-the-box signing himself "The Right Honourable The Viscount Dumas"— as if the Duke of Wellingon were to sign himself "My Grace,..."—, but would you check whether "Viscount Dumas" has been gazetted, perhaps in the New Year's Honours, 2005? You're a positive brick. --Wetman 01:15, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Sanity
I'm worried about my sanity... Now I can't get that damn song out of my head... -- Francs2000 02:17, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Corrigan revisited
Having finally obtained a copy of Corrigan's obituary from the New York Times I have made some changes to Douglas Corrigan. With your FAC hat on, what further changes would you seek to this article? —Theo (Talk) 19:04, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for the good wishes and the comments. I will continue to seek more sources of information about the man's life. His obituary in his local newspaper might be helpful: the NYT obituary afforded no extra information (but confirmed some details). Inevitably, most photographs will remain in copyright until c 2040 so unless I visit California to take my own photographs of his home and grave, we remain in the lap of the gods. —Theo (Talk) 23:04, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Merry Christmas
I'm not expecting to be online as much over the next few days so...

-- Francs2000 09:18, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

A soft toy, baubles, and a chainsaw

What more could a boy wish for at Christmastide. Please accept the St Nicholas-like papal headgear and greeting (left) in the same spirit. May your days be merry, and bright. -- ALoan (Talk) 19:47, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Sicilian congratulations
Do you know that your Sicilian Baroque FA is on the main page today? Should there not be a mechanism of drawing this to the attention of the lead author's friends and supporters? —Theo (Talk) 08:28, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
 * There is - Raul654 08:40, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Congratulations... and buon Natale. --Wetman 12:42, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

 * While I'm here - congratulations on the Sicilian Baroque article, it is easily one of the very best articles on a Sicilian subject in any language. Do you speak and write Sicilian by chance - we are always looking for contributors on scn.wiki!  [[Image:Flag of Sicily.svg|40px]] ρ¡ρρµ δ→θ∑ -  (waarom? jus'b'coz!)  12:49, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Picture
Stuffed dog with Christmas hat on, chainsaw, baubles, gingham pillow... Boy Christmas in your house must be a laugh riot! Congrats on the Sicilian Baroque article making it onto the main page by the way! -- Francs2000 17:12, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

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