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Wikipedia talk:List of Wikipedians by number of edits/Archive 3

Ram-Man
Is User:Ram-Man a bot?

Acegikmo1 16:03, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * That account contains a mixture of bot and hand edits, IIRC. Pcb21| Pete 16:15, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

What Day and Time?
The project page states that this information is updated weekly. Out of curiousity, about what day and time is this done?

ClockworkTroll 17:43, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * I've thought the same thing. You can get an idea from the page history, but it would be good to state it on the page. A little harder - it would be good to include it in the .csv file too. -- Solipsist 18:02, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * I believe, though am not certain, that the script is run on a download of the database and, may even be run manually. This script updates the CSV file. When I notice that the date has changed at the Wikipedia stats site this is my signal that the CSV has been updated. I then run my other script that converts CSV to wikitext and uploaded here. Thus there are at least one, and probably two, layers of manual work involved, thus no fixed day and time.

 * I am willing to send my script (in Python) to anyone who wants it - this should mean that the CSV -> wikitext conversion would happen more quickly after the csv becomes available. Pcb21| Pete 18:40, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. Muchly manual - I assumed as much. One more quick question: The page was updated by Pcb21 to read October 2nd as the revision date, but none of the data in the CSV or on the page itself seems to have changed. Please forgive my ignorance, but am I missing something, or was something overlooked? ClockworkTroll 20:26, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Yes. I saw that the stats pages had been updated to October 2nd, so assumed that the csv had been updated, and ran my script to update this page. Unfortunately the csv file had not actually changed. This seems to have been a temporary problem, as the Oct 10 update seems to be back to normal. Pcb21| Pete 16:28, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I was going to ask the same question. The data was put on the page in September, so it can't be from October. Acegikmo1 21:13, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Ack!
I'm less than a 1000 edits away from the #1 spot in the ==All namespaces== list! Honest, I'm not a bot. --mav22:31, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * So you think you are not a bot... Although you might enjoy activities outside of Wikipedia and memories of a full and rich life, can you be so sure you are not a replicant?   :-)   -- Solipsist 10:50, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * And to think, I was here to see it happen. -Litefantastic 23:52, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Do you have proof for that? :) -- Schnee 00:44, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I have many fewer edits than you, and I am a bot! ClockworkTroll 03:45, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * (No, I'm not.) ClockworkTroll 04:31, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Congratulations! Dori | Talk 03:59, Oct 20, 2004 (UTC)

Bots
What is the best way to treat bots in this table? Treat them like ordinary users as now, mark them as a bot but keep or remove them completely? The solution would need to deal with the fact that some accounts are mixed bot/manual. Pcb21| Pete 06:58, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I implemented one solution. Pcb21| Pete 17:11, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I think having the bots entirely separate from the regular users is a bit confusing, not to mention unfair to such users as Ram-Man, who (I believe) is only partially a bot. Supposing the word "(bot)" were added after the usernames of bots? Rdsmith4— Dan | Talk 00:24, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Could do it that way, and I did consider it. In the end I went the whole hog and separated them - your point about Ramman is fair but he is unusual because he created the first bot, all bots since have their own accounts as a matter of policy. Ramman's place in history is assured so I hope you wont be too offended. On the other hand, I don't that folks like Mav, Olivier, Bryan Derksen etc get their fair due when their are surrounded by a bunch of bots. What I don't like is the positional change information includes changes due to bots, I am thinking about how to avoid this. Pcb21| Pete 13:50, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * I've now implemented an alternative solution that I like much more. Pcb21| Pete 16:13, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * An anon suggested that Timwi should be counted as a bot, Schneelooke reverted, who is right? Pcb21| Pete 15:45, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Looks like a vandal to me. Timwi has a flesh-and-blood type user page. ClockworkTroll 16:27, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Timwi runs a Perl script, listed here, which automatically corrects double redirects. If you take a short look at his user contributions, it can be easily seen that these non-human edits (all marked with the edit summary "fix double-redirect") make up a significant portion, if not the majority of his edits. Since User:Ram-Man, who is a real person and an admin, is listed as a bot due to originally running what became "rambot" under his account, Timwi should also be so listed. Of course it would've been better if Timwi got separate bot account, but he has indicated no desire to do to get one (User_talk:Timwi/Archive/Apr_04).

 * Keeping bot edits separate is good for several reasons (e.g. it is easy to write a bad bot, however well intentioned you are, and sometimes the only way to stop the bot is to ban it, but we wouldn't want to be in the embarassing situation of banning excellent contributors like Timwi) thus I propose to keep Timwi and Ramman listed in grey - hopefully they won't mind too much - and this page will act, in some small way, to reinforce the bot policy. Schneelocke, Clockwork - is this ok? Pcb21| Pete 21:30, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * I think we should get a statement from Timwi (and Ram-Man) on this first. I know Timwi, and I do know for a fact that he is not a bot, so it would be unfair to label him as such, even if he utilizes a bot occasionally. In particular, it would be nice to get an idea of how many of Timwi's edits are bot-edits; if it's, for example, 90%, then it would clearly be justified labelling him as a bot, while if it's, for example, 10%, it wouldn't. -- Schnee 22:01, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

4148 of Timwi's last 5000 edits (83%) were bot edits. The percentage is probably lower overall, but I don't have the desire to check all of his edits.

 * How did you come up with that figure? -- Schnee 23:28, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I saved the 5000 edits to a text file and ran it through a Perl script that incremented for every line that contained the bot's edit summary of "fix double-redirect".

 * Then I don't see why you can't do the same for all of his edits. -- Schnee 23:58, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Well, the server times out when you set the offset too high... so I don't have time to try to get those pages to load. You are of course free to try.

 * If you give me the script... -- Schnee 00:14, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Ok: $count = 0; while(<>){ if($_ =~ /fix double-redirect/) { $count++; } } print "count=$count\n";

 * Ah, OK, thanks. I think that can be shortened to "perl -ne '$count++ if(m/fix double redirect/); END { print $count; }'" actually; in any case, I'll look through Timwi's history and see what happens. That being said, I think that even a large number of bot edits would not be enough to label him (or Ram-Man) as a bot. It would be appropriate to include a note about the bot edits, of course (something like "an estimated XYZ of these edits are bot-edits"), but it wouldn't be fair to totally neglect the manual work he did.

 * Anyhow, I managed to get the first 10000 of his edits without a timeout; let's hope the rest will work out, too. ^^ -- Schnee 00:30, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

How are bots identified? Is this being done manually, or is there a list somewhere?

Update
Is there any way that this page can be automagically re-generated every week? The date on the page now is from a month ago, though the list was updated at some unknown point after that. It just seems to me that there is too much required human interaction in this task for it to be reliable.

I'll be the first to admit that I don't know all of the factors against such a thing, but it seems to me that it wouldn't be a large undertaking to write a cron job to run every week or so during off-peak hours, and it would be a nice little thing for motivation purposes. Just a thought. ClockworkTroll 15:52, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Some thoughts and options. You'll know from the above talk how this page is updated. It firstly relies on a successful database dump. This step probably can't be trusted to cron without fail, because it involves chucking gigabytes of data around (I believe). However if lots of people like the data on this page - and more so than the more restricted list on the stats page (only has 50 users), then we should appeal to Erik to change his script. Then this latter script (my python script) would be redundant, and at least some time would be saved. What do you think? Pcb21| Pete 16:50, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * I feared there would be such an impediment as a large DB dump. Personally, I find the CSV much more useful than the page itself because I haven't yet earned a place on the main list, but I would assume that the larger (1000 wikipedian/list) page is more useful to many simply because earning a place on that list is much easier than making the "top 50", and therefore doesn't seem to be an impossible challenge and therefore a useful motivator. ClockworkTroll 17:49, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Yes the 50 is not enough, but I am sure it would just be one line to change in Erik's script. Incidentally when I arrived here 22 months ago, you needed about 600 edits to get into the top 200, then I changed it 500 entries in the list and then later to 1000. But the minimum requirements are still higher now (about 1000 edits) than then. I can change the number of entries by changing one line of my script if need be. Pcb21| Pete 19:54, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Archive
First of all, I would like to thank User:Pcb21 for taking on the task of updating the page. It's an important task that allows people to keep track of how much they've contributed, but it also seems to be a thankless job.

I have noticed one issue about the updates. The List of Wikipedians by number of edits archive isn't updated anymore. If I remember correctly, it used to be updating by actually moving this page to (for example) List of Wikipedias by number of edits until September 26, 2004 (if Sept. 24 were the date on which this page were updated). Then this page would be re-created with updated information.

Recently, this page has been updated by simply changing the data and the last archive that exists is from 16 June 2004. Older updates are now located in this page's edit history.

My question is: Should be continue to create archives by moving old versions of this page or should we leave old information in the page history?

Cheers,

Acegikmo1 23:45, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Moving the page did turn out to be a bit fiddly (in fact stopping doing it probably reduced the time it took me to update the page by about 75%!) and I did come to the conclusion that the value of doing it wasn't worth the effort considering, as you point out, the data is in history anyway. However if there is a strong will to have a full archive I could start doing it again no problem. Pcb21| Pete 23:52, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * If it makes updating more efficient, then not moving the page is no problem. What do you think about having links to older versions of this page on the archive page?  Acegikmo1 00:01, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Yes, let's do that. Pcb21| Pete 13:50, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Bots
Hey, I'm not a bot, nor do I have the bot designation, yet I'm listed as such on the list! To clarify a little bit, most of the edits that I performed under the account "Ram-Man" were actually done manually by hand. That may be hard to believe, but I used complex SQL queries and other data manipulation on my computer to create the article text, and then I manually cut and pasted the articles into Wikipedia. It was a long and tedious process, but the rambot itself (which automated the process) was not invented until some time later. As such, many of the "bot" entries are not actually entries added by a bot. It is true that the rambot used the "Ram-Man" account for a short time before moving to "rambot", but that represents fewer edits than at first assumed. -- Ram-Man 12:04, Oct 29, 2004 (UTC)

Any reason why Robbot has a ranking number when none of the other bots has? Perhaps, given Ram-man's human condition, Robbot's number should be removed, Ram-man should get a numbber, and the rest of the top 20 names should have their numbers changed. This is, of course, assuming that Robbot is a bot and Ram-Man isn't... Grutness 07:08, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)

We need a resolution
I've already reverted this page twice, and before breaking the three-revert rule, I'd like to ask what exactly is supposed to be going on with this page. I am inclined to revert the latest entry because it was this person's first edit, and is a repeat of another similarly garbage username's last edit here. However, that reverts to Ram-Man not being included in the list. What exactly is supposed to be happening here? [[User:Mo0|Mo0 [ talk ] ]] 20:06, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Is it important in the long term? If the script that makes this page is modified to correctly identify all the bots and part-bots and mark them correctly, then when the page is next updated (once a month - in a couple of weeks?) the problem will go away, right? Joe D (t) 20:29, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * In the end, you are correct, when it's updated it won't matter. However, if someone decides to continue vandalizing it if they don't get their way, then we're back to square one.  I'm just worried this fight will repeat every month. [[User:Mo0|Mo0 [ talk ] ]] 23:26, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Well, it's been almost a month this time around... kind of thought that's how long it's supposed to be. [[User:Mo0|Mo0 [ talk ] ]] 03:08, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Why don't you get off your backside and update it every week then, assuming it is physically possible?
 * That's not a very helpful comment, Mr. Anonymous. User:Mo0 was not complaining, merely commenting, I think. You possibly need to chill out and remember this is a volunteer effort. Quite why there is such a spat about who's edited more tham whom, the Lord alone know. (Though that said, one more edit to me...) --Tagishsimon, number 166 or nearest offer on the list that counts
 * It is rather naughty of you to re-format my comment to make it look like I was replying to Mo0, when of course my comment was directed to Ben - who was sharp about it needing to be weekly updates not monthly - and then take me to task for being rude to Mo0.
 * Because I don't know how, and don't even know if I can. All I am asking is that a consensus be reached on the issue that is causing so many edits and reverts here. [[User:Mo0|Mo0 [ talk ] ]] 21:19, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Odd results in the CSV
Something isn't right about this week's CSV...

This is the data I got last week:
 * Main namespace edits (last 30 days): 320 (214)
 * Non-main namespace edits (last 30 days): 735 (653)
 * Total edits (last 30 days): 1055 (867)

This is what I got this week:
 * Main namespace edits (last 30 days): 158 (114)
 * Non-main namespace edits (last 30 days): 150 (133)
 * Total edits (last 30 days): 308 (247)

My number of contributions is almost 1500, and I'm reasonably sure that I didn't make any negative edits, so it's safe to say that there's a little glitch somewhere.

Just a heads up to anybody that relies on the CSV results that hasn't noticed already.

ClockworkTroll 04:46, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Update - seems better now. ClockworkTroll 18:30, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I've noticed something similar in the listed more up to date but untabulated list  which credits me with 308 edits (my contributions list is currently around the 2000 mark). This could, of course, be related to exactly how much more up to date it is, but my 308th edit was on about Oct 20th. Grutness 06:42, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

WP:PNA
I'm flagging this page as needing attention as the data on it are now a month old and it needs updating. PedanticallySpeaking 17:17, Nov 11, 2004 (UTC)

Update script
zwitter has created (and released into the public domain) a python script for producing a list of users by edits which I've modified slightly to format in wikitax and uploaded here. I don't know python so I can't say if my changes will work. To use it you'll need to take the database dump and create a users table:
 * create table kate_curold users (select cur_user, inverse_timestamp from cur) union (select old_user, inverse_timestamp from old); create index user_timestamp on kate_curold_users(cur_user, inverse_timestamp);

and add the data from the db dump to run the script on it. I don't have the time (and probabaly don't have the expertese) to do this myself, so I've left the script up for somebody else to play with. Joe D (t) 17:51, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I just threw together a PHP script that parses the CSV data and creates the list. I'll see about posting it later after I tweak a few more things. - MattTM | talk 19:34, Nov 11, 2004 (UTC)

The list hadn't been updated in over a month, so I went ahead and ran my script. I tried to match the style of the previous output as closely as I could. If anyone notices a problem with new list, tell me. I'll update it again next week if no one else does. I'm not sure when the CSV data is updated, so I couldn't fix the date at the top of the page. - MattTM | talk 00:16, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)

Updates

 * Either the date at the top of the page is wrong, or I'm getting an old version of the csv. not sure which. --DMG413 03:59, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * The CSV wasn't updated this week, but it was updated last Monday. Even then, the contents seemed somewhat suspect to me (numbers were clearly a bit low, and the initial CSV contents that day were from 3 weeks prior). -- ClockworkTroll 04:03, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * As noted in the discussion above this one, I updated the list with the most recent CSV data, but I was unsure of how old the data was. Going by CT's above comment, I'm guessing the data I used was from November 8th.  I'll fix it. - MattTM | talk 04:15, Nov 17, 2004 (UTC)

Is this page still actively being updated?
It's been almost 3 weeks since the last update. Is anybody still bothering with this? [[User:Livajo|Ливай | ☺]] 07:15, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I was under the impression that it was updated once a month, so don't start worrying yet! Grutness|hello? [[Image:Grutness.jpg|25px|]]
 * I see. I misread the statement that says the raw data is updated weekly, thinking the page was. My bad. [[User:Livajo|Ливай | ☺]] 08:55, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * It used to be updated weekly; I hope to start doing that again. For now I updated the main namespace list using the Perl one-liner update script. Crude, I know... --Ben Brockert 01:10, Dec 17, 2004 (UTC)
 * I had been putting off updating the list because I didn't know when the CSV data had been updated. I'll just go ahead and do it anyway. - MattTM | talk 05:16, Dec 17, 2004 (UTC)

Removal
What happened to all the stuff like positional change, last thirty days, and colour-coding based on bot activity? →Iñgólemo←  (talk)  04:39, 2004 Dec 17 (UTC)
 * It's back. - MattTM | talk 05:17, Dec 17, 2004 (UTC)
 * It's only back for the "Main Namespace Edits" but not for ''All namespaces" Paul August ☎ 17:16, Dec 17, 2004 (UTC)
 * It never was there for that section. The data required doesn't exist in the CSV, so it would be a case of writing a script to compare pairs of (dated) CSVs, or have the (almost mythical :)) other script that generates the CSV updated. Pcb21| Pete 19:18, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Any likelihood that the pages linked to at the bottom of this page (most recent edits etc) will eventually be updated? Grutness|hello? [[Image:Grutness.jpg|25px|]] 05:39, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * There is a high probability that, at some point in the future, those pages will be updated. --Ben Brockert < 23:30, Dec 29, 2004 (UTC)

Suggestions
The ranks need leading noughts to straighten the columns. Can you add a list ..by speed of edits? lysdexia 01:32, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Adding spaces to even out the numbers shouldn't be difficult. There's no way to find people's editing speed without looking at each editor's contributions page, and even then it would be approximate. This page is generated from the CSV, which only contains the editor's username and their number of edits.

 * As a side note, do not edit people's comments. You are free to change anything in the article space, but please do not modify other people's text in the talk or user space. --Ben Brockert 02:47, Dec 22, 2004 (UTC)

Question
Without loading that massive list, and without actually counting them, is there any expedient way I can check on how many edits I have, to the minute? EventHorizon 06:49, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Yup - Kate's tools (wonderful to see them back in action!). go to, select "Count edits" and type in your username. Grutness|hello? [[Image:Grutness.jpg|30px|]] 07:19, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Currently out of action Stirling Newberry 03:45, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * True, sadly. However, as noted on the Village Pump, Kate has put an earlier version online at . Grutness|hello? [[Image:Grutness.jpg|25px|]] 09:21, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Statistical analysis
Has anyone ever done any analysis of the number of edits? For example, creating a histogram of the number of edits and comparing it to the normal curve, as well as finding mean and standard deviation? I, personally, think that would be fascinating. I'm sure someone out there could whip up a program that takes in the number of edits from the SCV dump every week and graphs it all, as well as finds those statistics. LockeShocke 02:22, Jan 9, 2005 (UTC)

I've done some work on it. Stirling Newberry 02:38, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * And? Got anything to show off? :) LockeShocke 18:01, Jan 9, 2005 (UTC)

A model of decision information using wikipediaStirling Newberry 17:38, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Case of _size matters_
This list should be based on amount of text (+allowance for pics maybe) submittet. Else, I'll submit any change in an article in tiny bits and climb up the list like that. --J heisenberg 11:53, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * And if you do do that, so what? Pcb21| Pete 13:25, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I meant it would be good if the list showed the amount contributed, not the number of contributions.--J heisenberg 15:10, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * This is simply a statistical list. It is not a "ranking" of Wikipedians by quality of edits or anything else. Some use the 'preview' button more than others, while some go out of their way to inflate their edit count, but the list should always (obviously) be taken with a grain of salt. Rdsmith4— Dan | Talk 16:35, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * How about a supplementary list_of_Wikipedians_by_text_submitted -- for example. Maybe I'd make the top 1000 then ,-) --J heisenberg 17:17, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * It sounds good to have, but it is not practical to implement. Before you can rank a list, you have to keep count of each entry's delta.  If such count was not maintained in the past, some processes must run through the database to "diff" each edit.  Just imagine the degradation to the server while you generate the counts.  I think I can do without it.  Kowloonese 01:24, Jan 15, 2005 (UTC)

 * It'd only have potential if it was done via a downloaded copy of the database, rather than off the live servers. If that was possible, I wouldn't mind it.

 * The SQL can't be that hard... a join on user id versus diff of edits (only the positive ones). Someone with the capacity to download the DB would have to do it

 * Anyone can download the database (normally). Rdsmith4— Dan | Talk 19:40, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I wouldn't mind seeing such a list either - but as a complement to this list, not a replacement. I realise my own placing is artificially high because I tend to write a bit, save, write a bit more, which lists me higher than if I saved all in one go once I'd finished, but it would be interesting to know how much the really prolific writers do write. it'd also have the advantage of removing a lot of the "change word X to word Y" bots. But, as I say, it would be nice to have that as well as this list. If it were possible. Grutness|hello? [[Image:Grutness.jpg|25px|]] 12:03, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Colour coding
The colour coding seems to have been switched off, but it's still there in the source. What's up? →Iñgōlemo←  talk    donate  06:05, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * It's there for the first list, but not the second. It's working fine for me on the first list. —Ben Brockert (42) UE News  00:54, Jan 21, 2005 (UTC)

Updating
Is anyone updating this list? Last data are from December 2004. User:Rsabbatini

 * It can only be updated when this page gets updated by the stats script. The stats script is not compatible with 1.4 version of Mediawiki. I believe the creator of the script (Erik Zachte) intends to re-do the stats script so that it works with 1.5. Pcb21| Pete 17:09, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * I await the upgrade of the script. I should be in at least the top 1000 now. This last version says I'm in 17969th position with 8 edits! -_-; —Mar·ka·ci: 2005-03-12 22:59 Z

 * I'd also like to see this updated. Any ETA for this? Anything we could help with? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 22:37, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * I guess part of the problem is that the full database with the change history has grown to well over 80GB. I believe that this list and the .csv was generated by running a script against a snapshot version of the database downloaded by a 3rd party. Now that the full database is so large it is probably impractical to download it in any reasonable length of time, and not so easy to find space enough to keep it. Perhaps it is time to have a word with the inclusionists - there is some harm in keeping every bit of information lying around. -- Solipsist 00:10, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Erm, no. The script was run on-site. The real problem was that the script assumed the database was in MediaWiki 1.3 format, whereas we now use 1.4. Since the database layout is changing again for 1.5, I don't think Erik Zachte plans to write a script for 1.4. Thus no stats. Inclusionists, as you were. Solipist, stop spreading the FUD! :). Pcb21| Pete 08:03, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Well that is the impression given by the discussion above (Update scritp and Case_of__size_matters_) both of which recommend people to download the database and run their own script to update this page. -- Solipsist 15:55, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

† symbol...
I have the impression that it tends to be used to signify someone has died, so at first sight it looked as if Ram-Man was dead but still made 143 edits in the 30 days beforehand... Not important at all, I know, but perhaps another symbol? -- KittySaturn 08:59, 2005 Feb 6 (UTC)

You're right about it being a death notice, among other things (see Dagger (typography)). Maybe astericks could be used for the bots. Dralwik 15:01, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I totaly agree to use anything else than the † symbol. In [] Ram-Man is the first user with that kind of symbol. I thought avid is dead...

Please use an astericks, or something like that.

 * I know it to be third in the heirarchy of that stuff. Once you've used one asterik, you use two for the second note, then a dagger for the third. --  user:zanimum

 * I don't see that as much of a problem. The symbol indicates a bot, which, being a bot, is not a live person.  Since it is not live, it is, well, dead.  Cheer up, people.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 21:57, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)

 * Haha! I laughed out loud when I read that. Very nice logic there. ^_^; —Mar·ka·ci: 2005-03-12 22:59 Z

Erik triumphs!
According to a message on wikipedia-l, Erik Zachte has mananged to do a stats scripts for 1.4... I'll try and change out the details soon and hopeful get this page going again.... Pcb21| Pete 21:57, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Yay! :) – ClockworkSoul 22:25, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Updated using my old script. Pcb21| Pete 10:51, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Bots not marked as such
The following are bots but are not shown in grey: HTH HAND --Phil | Talk 13:17, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * User:Pearle
 * User:Grammarbot
 * User:HasharBot
 * User:Snobot
 * User:NetBot

 * Thanks, added to the page and to the list of bots in my script, which is maintained by hand. Pcb21| Pete 14:49, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I generated pages
It's been bugging me that the HTML list hasn't been updated in some time, so I went and wrote a little app that generated tables from the CSV in the same format as we've had. I don't know how old the CSV data is, but it seems to be significantly more recent than the HTML page. Let me know if there's anything I forgot or otherwise got wrong, I'll be sure to update my code. – ClockworkSoul 22:16, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * It seems that the arrows are pointing in the wrong direction. Tom Radulovich 22:51, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * User:KevinBot honestly says it is Bot at its user page. Also, it brags that on April 19 it made 31,850 edits, while you show 1K less. Mikkalai 01:30, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I just take the data from the CSV: it may be outdated. I have no way of knowing when it was run. – ClockworkSoul 01:39, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * The previous version contained the date when the script was run. Mikkalai 01:30, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * The last page had the date when the CSV was updated: I have no way of knowing when it was updated, so I removed it for now. When the CSV is updated again, I'll know and update the page accordingly. – ClockworkSoul 01:39, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Indeed the arrows are pointing the wrong direction. I, personally, am now ranked 612th but it says I've droped 129 slots... even though I used to be in the 800s. ;) -- tomf688 (talk) 01:37, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * I can fix that! :D I'll update in a couple of minutes. – ClockworkSoul 01:39, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for catching that, Tom. It's all better now. – ClockworkSoul 01:46, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * By the way, nice job on the update. Also, you might want to mention somewhere that this list is as of April 21. -- tomf688 (talk) 01:57, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay: added that. Glad you like it. I figured that I would take to updating this page whenever the CSV is updated. – ClockworkSoul 02:07, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

"This is the list as of 27 April 2005". That doesn't seem right to me, unless I've suddenly doubled my tally in just over a week! I'd say it's more like data from early February. violet/riga (t) 22:28, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

 * All I can say is that this is the data that was present in the CSV update during the week of the 27th... – ClockworkSoul 22:32, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Perhaps it doesn't include edits to talk pages and the like? That might make it more accurate. violet/riga (t) 22:33, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

 * I see no reason why it would include data from main pages but not from talk pages: after all, all of the data is built from the same database... – ClockworkSoul 22:36, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Yeah, good point. Whatever it is, thanks for coming along and sorting this page out. violet/riga (t) 22:37, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

 * I do what I can, but unfortunately I'm limited by the frequency, format, and quality of the data I receive. :/ – ClockworkSoul 22:38, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Removed
The following section is full of meaningless data. For example, what the heck would mean the change of 62,730 in position? There is a methodological error somewhere for the case of gainers, since downgoers look reasonable. Mikkalai 20:48, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Without prejudging, 23149 wikipedians have edited EN at least 10 pages, and presumably many more people have edited less than 10 pages. Someone going from no edits to a low number of thousand edits in the 30 days would rise from the bottom of a very long list indeed to feature in the top 1000 ... a jump of 62k, though odd looking, is well within the bounds of possibility. --Tagishsimon (talk)

 * Indeed that's true. I was skeptical at first as well, but upon inspection everything turned out approximately correct. has made all of his now 5363 edits in the last 30 days. That's very impressive by any standard. – ClockworkSoul 22:23, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Impressive, or insane? ;) -- tomf688 (talk) 22:34, May 6, 2005 (UTC)

 * The two are not mutually exclusive, my friend. Quite the opposite, I have found. ;) – ClockworkSoul 22:36, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

That's what I have in mind when I say that there is something inherently wrong in this approach. It is clear that there is a HUGE tail of occasional contributors, and the first column merely shows that a number of newbies suddenly became active. I would be more interested in mover and shakers among already active contributors, i.e., among those who already had, like, 1,500 edits before the jump, not after. Then there would be no such a stark contrast between the left and right sides. As a replacement of the current left table I'd suggest a third one, kind of "Jump-starters", the ones who went from, say, less than 100 contribs to some impressive number. And since we are speaking about the movement with respect to a "dormant" tail, a more informative data would be the number of edits, rather than change in the position. Mikkalai 01:03, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

 * It would be easy for me to make the cutoff N edit before rather than N edits after, and you're right: it does make sense that way. I'll make the changes to my code now. – ClockworkSoul 01:29, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

 * I reran the scripting including only users who had 1000 edits as of 30 days ago. Guess who popped up as the #3 positional loser? – ClockworkSoul 01:42, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Your new chart does not match its description. You say "among users that had at least 1000 edits in all namespaces as of 30 days ago.". – Grm wnr who has risen 956 should be 44th or better. She or he is 282 => was not in the top 1000 30 days ago. --Tagishsimon (talk)

 * That is an anomoly caused by the fact that the raw database rankings count all users in all wikipedias: German, Spanish, Japanese, etc. I specifically extract filter out all of the users except the EN language ones for this list, but I don't change the database-supplied ranking changes. – ClockworkSoul 01:51, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Then the introductary wording needs to be changed. If you can sum Position + Rise then you could surely filter out any that givce a result > 1000, and exclude these from the table, non? Bit 'tis a lovely chart; thank you for the work. --Tagishsimon (talk)

 * I'm not sure what you mean by "filtering out any that givs a result > 1000". It seems unfair to remove any user that may have increased by a large margin that may not be a new user, although it seems perfectly reasonable to only consider users that had a minimum number of 1000 edits as of 30 days ago... I'm glad you like the chart though. :) – ClockworkSoul 13:16, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

Movers and Shakers
These lists show the users with the 15 largest jumps in main space edit rank, both up and down, among users with at least 1500 edits in all namespaces.

Regarding the "movers and shakers" table
The above table of movers and shakers, is, I think, not a very good idea, which is why I have removed it from the page. If someone wants to generate the data for their own benefit and keep it to themselves, by all means, go ahead, but I do not think it belongs on this page. The existence of this table will further encourage people to compete over getting the prime position on the gained table, which I do not think is necessarily good for Wikipedia (think lots and lots and lots of trivial edits). And why should we "punish" Wikipedians who took a break of a month or so by putting their names up near the top of the page? —Lowellian (talk) 14:57, May 7, 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree. Thanks for removing it. Shanes 15:14, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Also agree. Editcountitis is becoming endemic at RfA, too. -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 17:30, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

 * I disagree. It's very interesting. -- [[Image:Flag of Canada.svg|20px]] Earl Andrew - talk 20:04, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Then the author can move it to his user page and announce that it can be accessed there for the curious. As Lowellian said, it encourages the posting of trivial edits to see the numbers rise. Go count pigeons in the park instead. Throw them some peanuts and you will have done something nice for God's creatures at the same time. -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 20:45, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I disagree that it will encourage people to make trivial lists. What evidence do you have to back this up? -- [[Image:Flag of Canada.svg|20px]] Earl Andrew - talk 21:07, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Cecropia said this would encourage people to make trivial edits, not trivial lists. —Lowellian (talk) 07:27, May 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * It's called "herd mentality." We're seeing it on RfA right now with the massive number of votes for Bishonen, partly motivated by the desire to see a big number. People are often quoting edit numbers to justify (or sink) a nomination, yet numbers says nothing about the quality of the edits, or whether the editor is pumping up edits (intentionally or not) by failing to use the preview function. -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 21:36, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I confess I am failing to use the preview function while making small edits, for a simple reason: the database speed is pain in the ass. I am already wasting my time here instead of going and get myself a mug of beer in a good company, and I have to spend two minutes to fix a one-letter typo. Also, at times it is better save and be safe than to wait until wikipedia recovers from a crash. Mikkalai 22:59, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

(I have no oinion on the table, per se, but) Another reason that I will often make multiple edits is that I intend to make edits in a number of sections of the article but want to edit section-by-section rather than to take on an entire huge article in one gulp. So each secction gets edited and saved as a discrete entity, leading to multiple edits all-in-a-row. And yes, sometimes (often?) one simply diesn't see the typo or obvious possible improvement until one pushes the "Save" button, no matter how many times one has pushed "Preview". And, finally, as someone pointed out above, the longer one waits before saving, the higher the odds of an edit conflict coming up or Wiki going down.

Atlant 12:35, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Cross-post from talk:RfA
I'm cross posting this from a discussion on Requests for adminship, where it has been suggested that people are automatically nominated after a certain number of edits on Wikipedia:

 * ...I would recommend, however, that someone comes up with a list of non-admins who have produced high numbers of edits - it would give us some idea of who we are missing! Perhaps it would be worthwhile putting an asterisk after people's names on List of Wikipedians by number of edits if they are admins, to make that search easier. In fact - I'll cross post this to W-talk:LoWbnoe, see what people think there... Grutness...  wha?  01:02, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * See User:Rick Block/WP600 not admins. -- Rick Block (talk) 02:06, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
 * Excellent! Thanks! Do you update this regularly? Grutness...  wha?  02:21, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * No, I just created it. It was kind of a pain to do.  I gather admins can run arbitrary SQL queries which would make it somewhat easier. -- Rick Block (talk) 02:28, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
 * There was a time when we could, but that was at least a year ago. Most people who create specialised reports download their own copy of the Wikipedia database and can run queries on it to their heart's content.-gadfium 03:41, 31 May 2005 (UTC)


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Palmengarten

The Palmengarten is one of three botanical gardens in Frankfurt am Main, Germany. It is located in the Westend-Süd district. It covers a surface of 22 hectares. It is a major tourist attraction.

History
Like many public sites in Frankfurt, it was privately financed and implemented by the architect Heinrich Siesmayer. Work was completed in 1871 and opened to the public. One colorful visit was from the American entertainer Buffalo Bill who brought his Western show in 1890.

In 1931, it was taken over by the city of Frankfurt but was later transferred to the American occupation authorities after World War II. When the Palmengarten was returned to the city's hands in the sixties, a major reconstruction effort was begun. Halls destroyed in the war were redeveloped and expanded. In 1992 the reconstruction finished completely and the Palmengarten shined in its new form.

Directly next to the area of the Palmengarten is the Frankfurt Botanical Garden, which formerly belonged to the biology department of Johann Wolfgang Goethe-Universität Frankfurt and is now administered by the Palmengarten.

Collection
The botanical exhibits are organized according to their origin in free-air or climatized greenhouses, which also contain numerous tropical and subtropical plants. At the entry to the garden half of the original social building of 1905, which was rebuilt again, currently serves as the main entrance to the Palmengarten. To the right and left of the entrance we find exhibition rooms and teaching rooms. On the first floor in the south wing are some carnivorous plants, in the north wing are some American pineapple plants, which are grown indoors. The visitor is "in situ", information points on the ecology and geography of everything on display.

The Rose garden
Once the entrance building is left behind, we find the "Rosaleda", with a characteristic geometric style of plant distribution. A pergola gives the formal touch of rose garden, with its paths and its flower beds carefully cared for. The Rosenbrunn house is located in the middle, built in the early garden style of 1884, it had been part of the office buildings. Themed gardens (for example: with scent roses or the so-called "classic roses") delimit the rose garden to the north and south.

Palmenhaus
This is the main core of the original Palmengarten, it was built in 1869 and is one of the largest buildings of its kind found in Europe. Along with a large number of subtropical palm trees, and covering the lower part of the forest canopy are tree ferns, plants with long and tender stems, and broad-leaved plants, which together produce an image of great subtropical exuberance. There is also a stream that cascades down from the high back of the hill-shaped structure. In a grotto-like passageway under the hill, it is shown in aquariums, a colorful tropical underwater world.

Rhododendrongarten
In the western part of the gardens and bordering the lake located there, the  Rhododendrongarten  ('Garden of Rhododendrons') was created in 1989. Here a large variety of hybrids of species from eastern Asia and North America were planted side by side. These plants need a soil rich in humus and very acid for their development. This area is a spectacle of color in late May and early June when they bloom.

The rockery
It is located at the highest point of the garden, a rocky hill with an imposing waterfall, from here you get one of the best views. The rockery (Der Steingarten, or Garden among the stones), is located on the flanks of the rocky hill, and it was completely renovated in the 80s. With acidic soils and Alkaline in small gaps between the rocks are these plants from all the mountainous regions of the planet.

Heather garden
Where the rockery ends, in the east, the heather garden begins with its attractive color in the blooms of late summer. Also appealing is the gradation of shades of green presented by the rest of the year, this collection of wild and crossed species of the genera Erica and Calluna.

Bush garden
It is located in the northern part of the garden. This part of the garden has puddled areas, with abundant water and a stream accompanies along the main path of the walk. Here the plants grow grouped in bushes along the stream. Plants are found as green herbs, where the brushstrokes of color are provided by Asteraceae.

The flower house
An enclave worth visiting in the garden is the "Flower House". The house has about 200 m2 and is divided into hot and cold zones. Here the visitor can find flowering plants at any time of the year. Here the plants are periodically renewed.

The alpine house
This is the house  Leonhardsbrunn  flanked on both sides by striking greenhouse towers, it was rebuilt according to old plans. Here the plants are shown with the provenance and the expedition in which they were collected. In the western tower we find citrus, the eastern tower is dedicated to plants from the island of Tasmania. Plants from the Southern Hemisphere are grown in the central structure.

Steppe meadow
In the western part of the  Tropicarium  in a flat and drier area than in other parts of the garden, there is a collection of plants that develop in full sun. They are plants from the steppe estuary regions of Eurasia and the America s. In the middle of the garden is a glade. Here you will find a selection of forage grasses and among them meadow flowers develop, just as they can be found in any meadow in a field that has been left uncultivated.

The subantarctic house
These facilities were inaugurated in 1992, bringing together plants from the cold regions of the southern half of the globe. The characteristics of the vegetation are forest, shrub, and swamp areas. The red sandstone dominates on the left, where the plants of Patagonia, the Tierra del Fuego archipelago and the Falkland Islands are located, being delimited by a small swampy area. On the right side with a firm gray, are plants from New Zealand and neighboring islands.

The Tropicarium
The plants of the Tropicarium are not shown according to their continents or countries, but are grouped according to their biotope. What is attempted is to show the variety and richness of the tropical zone. The northern greenhouse "humid tropics" (Nordstern) includes plants of mountain rainforests, cloud forests and evergreen lowland rainforests. The southern greenhouse "arid tropical regions" (Südstern) contains plants from semi-arid zones, savanna, and foggy desert. The Tropicarium includes a total of 14 glass houses.

Cactus garden
This area deserves a special mention. Shown during the warm months from May through September, it is a collection of succulent plants that withstand harsh winters. They come from America, Africa and from the Canary Islands. In between these plants a large variety of fuchsias are displayed at the same time.

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Allan Davis (cyclist)

Allan Howard Davis (born 27 July 1980) is an Australian former professional road racing cyclist, who last rode for UCI ProTour team. Born in Ipswich, Queensland, Davis resides in Bundaberg, Queensland and in Spain. Known for his sprinting ability, he started competitive cycling at the age of 10, and turned professional in 2002. He is also the brother of fellow cyclist, Scott Davis, and was an Australian Institute of Sport scholarship holder.

Career
In 2004 and 2005 he participated in the Tour de France, coming fifth in the points classification at the 2005 Tour de France behind the winner, Thor Hushovd of Norway, and fellow Australians Stuart O'Grady (2nd) and Robbie McEwen (3rd), and Kazakh champion Alexander Vinokourov (4th).

In 2006, Davis was one of the riders of the team implicated in the Operación Puerto doping case. However, on 26 July 2006, Davis was cleared by Spanish officials.

He made his debut with Quick Step on 3 September 2008 in the Memorial Rik Van Steenbergen – Aartselaar race after reaching an agreement with Patrick Lefevere for the following two seasons and obtained a definitive free pass from his former team, Mitsubishi–Jartazi.

His 2009 season got off to an excellent start with three stages and the overall of the 2009 Tour Down Under.

Davis moved with brother Scott to for the 2010 season. He remained with the team until the end of 2011, when he moved to the new team.

Davis won gold in the Road Race in the 2010 Commonwealth Games.

Orica–GreenEDGE opted not to renew Davis' contract for 2014. After attempting to find a new team, Davis announced his retirement from competition in February 2014.

In February 2018 Davis joined as the team's lead directeur sportif.

Major results

 * 2000
 * 7th Road race, UCI Road World Under-23 Championships

 * 2001
 * 6th Road race, UCI Road World Under-23 Championships

 * 2002
 * 1st Stage 1 Giro del Capo
 * 2nd GP Istria
 * 3rd Road race, National Under-23 Road Championships

 * 2003
 * 1st Trofeo Manacor
 * 1st Stage 4 Circuit Cycliste de la Sarthe
 * 2nd Road race, National Road Championships

 * 2004
 * 1st Giro del Piemonte
 * 1st Trofeo Alcudia
 * 1st Trofeo Manacor
 * 1st Stage 5 Deutschland Tour
 * 5th Overall Tour de Pologne
 * 1st Stage 3

 * 2005
 * Vuelta a Murcia
 * 1st Stages 1, 3 & 5
 * Eneco Tour
 * 1st Jersey green.svg Points classification
 * 1st Stage 3
 * Vuelta a Aragón
 * 1st Jersey green.svg Points classification
 * 1st Stage 5
 * 2nd Overall Tour Down Under
 * 3rd Paris–Tours
 * 3rd HEW Cyclassics

 * 2006
 * Tour Down Under
 * 1st Stages 2 & 5
 * 3rd Bronze medal blank.svg Road race, Commonwealth Games

 * 2007
 * Tour of Qinghai Lake
 * 1st Jersey green.svg Points classification
 * 1st Stages 1, 3, 5, 6 & 9
 * 1st Stage 3 Volta a Catalunya
 * 2nd Milan–San Remo

 * 2008
 * 2nd Overall Tour Down Under
 * 1st Stage 3
 * 2nd Overall Geelong Bay Classic Series
 * 1st Stage 4
 * 3rd Vattenfall Cyclassics
 * 4th Overall Tour de Pologne
 * 1st Jersey green.svg Points classification
 * 1st Stage 2

 * 2009
 * 1st Jersey orange.svg Overall Tour Down Under
 * 1st Jersey green.svg Points classification
 * 1st Stages 2, 4 & 5
 * 2nd Paris–Brussels
 * 2nd Grand Prix de Wallonie
 * 4th Milan–San Remo
 * 4th Vattenfall Cyclassics

 * 2010
 * 1st Gold medal blank.svg Road race, Commonwealth Games
 * 1st Jersey blue.svg Points classification Tour de Pologne
 * 3rd Bronze medal uci.svg Road race, UCI Road World Championships
 * 5th Vattenfall Cyclassics

 * 2011
 * 9th Overall Tour Down Under
 * 10th Cancer Council Helpline Classic

 * 2012
 * 1st Jersey yellow.svg Overall Geelong Bay Classic Series
 * 6th Road race, UCI Road World Championships

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Reg Grundy Organisation

Reg Grundy Organisation (founded as Reg Grundy Enterprises, later known as both Reg Grundy Productions and Grundy Television and known informally as Grundy's) was an Australian-based multinational mass media company, primarily involved in television as a production company but also in distribution and licensing.

Reg Grundy, the company's namesake founded the media enterprise locally in 1959, It branched out internationally in the late 1980s under the banner Grundy World Wide Limited with divisions in Europe, United Kingdom, the United States and Asia

The company first produced game shows, then branched into soap operas in 1973. In 1995 Reg Grundy sold the company to Pearson Television, now known as Fremantle, part of the RTL Group (in turn 90% owned by Bertelsmann). In 2006, Fremantle merged Grundy Television and Crackerjack Productions to form the localised arm Fremantle Australia. Until 2013, the Grundy name still existed internationally in Germany as Grundy Light Entertainment and in Italy as Grundy Productions Italy.

Company history/foundation
Reg Grundy's started his media career in radio, before moving to television producing Wheel of Fortune which launched on Nine Network in 1959. Another show with this title, although based on the USA version celebrated its 25th anniversary in Australia, a week before its cancellation in July 2006.

In the late 1980s, Reg Grundy established 'Grundy World Wide Limited. He created and operated local, independent television production and distribution companies in Europe, Asia and North and South America.

Pearson Television (now Fremantle) acquired the Grundy group of companies on 3 April 1995. On 30 August 2006, FremantleMedia announced they would merge Grundy Television with their other Australian production company, Crackerjack Productions, to form a single "super" production company called "FremantleMedia Australia". The new company is now managed by the management team from Crackerjack, with Mark Fennessy as chief executive officer and his brother Carl Fennessy as chief operating officer.

Simon Spalding (Fremantle Director of Asia Pacific Operations) said in an interview that Grundy Television's premises in Sydney are to be refurbished and that once complete, all Sydney based staff will be located there. He claims that this will help to create a 'deeper' production facility and is not a cost-cutting exercise. Spalding also said that although the Grundy name would be disappearing, he was looking at how FremantleMedia could retain the Grundy name and the heritage associated with it.

Programmes
See Fremantle Australia

Divisions
The company had several divisions in other countries:

France
Grundy France EURL – the now defunct French division (later Pearson Television France in 1999) which was best known for producing Questions pour un champion, along with other programs Le Juste Prix and La Gym de Neurones, now known as Fremantle France SAS.

Germany
Grundy Light Entertainment – the German division, which produces such shows as Ruck Zuck (best known of Grundy's German game shows), Das Quiz mit Jörg Pilawa, Q-Boot, along owing and producing German versions of RTL Group formats Family Feud (Familien-Duell), Sale of the Century (Hopp oder Top), and The Price Is Right (Der Preis ist heiß). Since September 2013, the company has been renamed "UFA Show & Factual".

Italy
Grundy Productions Italy – Italian division, which was founded in 1980 and produced programs like Furore and Un posto al sole, now known as Fremantle Italia SpA.

Mexico
Grundy Productions Mexico S.A. de C.V. – Now known as Fremantle Mexico S.A. de C.V..

Spain
Grundy Producciones Spain – Now known as Fremantle España S.A..

Sweden
Their Swedish operation produced a local version of Sons and Daughters – Skilda världar. It also produced the Swedish version of Card Sharks – Lagt kort ligger.

United States
Reg Grundy Productions was the American wing of the worldwide television production company Grundy Worldwide, founded by Australian television producer Reg Grundy. Reg Grundy Productions was responsible for the production of two highly successful daytime game shows on NBC during the 1980s, Sale of the Century and Scrabble, and produced a revival of Scrabble in 1993. The company also produced Time Machine (a history-themed game show similar in format to The Price Is Right) and Scattergories for NBC, Bruce Forsyth's Hot Streak for ABC and Small Talk for The Family Channel. Of the game shows Grundy produced in America, only Sale and the original Scrabble were hits; Time Machine lasted 16 weeks, Bruce Forsyth's Hot Streak, and Small Talk had 13-week runs each and Scattergories and the revival of Scrabble were cancelled after five months (the latter returning only on a limited basis). Frequent announcers of the company's game shows included Jay Stewart, Don Morrow, Gene Wood and Charlie Tuna.

Bill Mason (who was EP of Sale of the Century, Jeopardy! and Wheel of Fortune New Zealand) operated the American-based Grundy operation, and was the executive in charge of production for all of the Grundy-based game shows in the States. Former co-creator of game show Concentration, Robert Noah was also the driving force behind several of the aforementioned game shows, including Time, Sale and Scrabble.

The company also produced re-edited versions of the highly successful soap operas Prisoner and on some markets Neighbours

In the United States, RGP was headquartered in west Los Angeles, near Century City, and was responsible for launching the career of television and talent agent entrepreneur, Sean Perry, whose father Jim Perry, hosted Sale of the Century, the company, along with Mark Goodson Productions, is now defunct and folded into Fremantle North America.

United Kingdom
Reg Grundy Productions opened up a UK branch in 1975 known as "Reg Grundy Productions (G.B.) Limited".

The UK branch produced two big BBC programmes – Going for Gold and Small Talk. They also produced three cult shows for ITV called Keynotes, Celebrity Squares and Man O Man.

In 1997, Grundy UK began producing a majority of Channel 5's launch programmes, producing shows such as 100%, Whittle, Night Fever, Fort Boyard, Win Beadle's Money, One to Win (a revival of Going for Gold), Greed and The Desert Forges.

In 1999, the existing programmes produced by Pearson Television subsidiary Fremantle (UK) Productions were moved to Grundy UK, which included the two Bruce Forsyth game shows such as Play Your Cards Right and The Price Is Right as well as a Tim Clark game show called Give Us a Clue, a Michael Barrymore game show called Strike It Lucky, a Paul O'Grady game show called Lily Savage's Blankety Blank, a Dale Winton game show called Dale's Supermarket Sweep and Liza Tarbuck's version of Blockbusters.

By 2006, all remaining shows produced under the Grundy name were transitioned off to Talkback Thames.

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elmindreda does categorisation, formatting, wikification, spelling corrections and other gnomish things.

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Raa Atoll

Raa Atoll (also known as Northern Maalhosmadulu Atoll or Maalhosmadulu Uthuruburi) is an administrative division from the Maldives. The capital is Ungoofaaru. It includes Northern Maalhosmadulu Atoll proper and the island of Alifushi. Raa Atoll has the highest amount of populated islands in the Maldives.

1. Alifushi and Etthingili (Powell Islands in the Admiralty Chart) stand on a detached reef of their own with very deep waters (no sounding) between this faru and the northern end of the main atoll.

2. Northern Maalhosmadulu Atoll is 35 mi in length from N to S, and 15 mi across at its broadest part. Its western fringe is composed of a series of round or oval reefs (farus) irregularly placed (a feature peculiar to all the larger Northern Atolls). The centre is heavily dotted with coral patches (giri), some submerged and some awash. The concentration of giri is especially dense towards its SW quarter, close to Kandholhudhu Island (where there is the place most crowded with small reefs and shoals in the whole Maldives), but its narrower northern end is quite clear of reefs. The general depths of the lagoon are from 23 to 27 fathom.

This Atoll marks the start of the east–west divide of the Maldivian Atolls between Kaashidhoo Kandu and Kudahuvadhoo Kandu.

The capital of Northern Maalhosmadulu Atoll is Ungoofaaru. Recently, the island has been reclaimed up to the edge of the reef in order to provide land for social and economic activities for the growing population.

By 1942, there were 18 inhabited islands in the atoll. However, the residents of these 18 islands were relocated to nearby islands. By 17 October 1968, there were 17 inhabited islands in the atoll. In 1968 and 1967, the people of Ufulandhoo were relocated to Alifushi in the atoll under a government project. The project was to relocate people from islands who were under 50 years of age of mandatory prayer to other islands. People were relocated from Kudafushi because of the Second World War people died due to food shortages and hunger. The atoll chief governor found out that If people were not relocated to another island, they could not get more help, people would die and the village would become empty. The people of Kudafushi were relocated to their relatives islands by their requests. The islands that they were relocated are Meedhoo, Ufulandhoo and Maduvvari. On 17 October 1968 after people of Ufulandhoo transferred to Alifushi, they asked the government for permission to be relocated to Maduvvari. The government agreed and they moved to Maduvvari with their families. After the island of Ufulandhoo became uninhabited island, one of the 16 inhabited islands such as Ugulu and Gaaudoodhoo having difficulty of the lagoon for departure and because of the damages happening to the sea vessels and there is no space for housing as the islands become overpopulated, because of these reasons the people of Uruguay and Gaaudoodhoo wanted move to the island of Hulhudhuffaaru with compensation of having their personal belongings move to the island. The project of relocating the two island people to Hulhudhuffaaru started in 1992 and completed on 13 March 1993.

Following 2004 boxing tsunami, the living condition of Kandholhudhoo became too deplorable, and the ruins were beyond repair, The government let them choose a new home, Either Ifuru or Dhuvaafaru, the majority of them chose Dhuvaafaru, and while Dhuvaafaru was under construction, the people of Kandholhudhoo were distributed among other inhabited islands in Raa Atoll.

NOTE: ''Haa Alifu, Haa Dhaalu, Shaviyani, Noonu, Raa, Baa, Kaafu, etc. are code letters assigned to the present administrative divisions of the Maldives. They are not the proper names of the natural atolls that make up these divisions. Some atolls are divided into two administrative divisions while other divisions are made up of two or more natural atolls. The order followed by the code letters is from North to South, beginning with the first letters of the Thaana alphabet used in Dhivehi. These code letters are not accurate from the geographical and cultural point of view. However, they have become popular among tourists and foreigners in the Maldives who find them easier to pronounce than the true atoll names in Dhivehi, (save a few exceptions, like Ari Atoll).''

Alifushi, located at the northern end of the atoll, is an island which has been traditionally famous for its skilled boatbuilding carpenters. It now houses shipyards.

Moresby Channel (Hanikandu)
Hanikandu is the channel between Northern Maalhosmadulu Atoll and "Fasdhūtere" Atoll, beyond its southern border. This channel is also known as Moresby Channel in the honor of Robert Moresby, an almost forgotten captain and draughtsman, who with much patience and hard work charted all the Atolls of the Maldives.

Tourism
Formerly this atoll was off-limits for tourists; since the late 1990s there was a change in government policy. The main tourist resort islands are Loama Maamigili and Meedhupparu.

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Talk:Illimani

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For the song "Illimani" that is referred to in the article - does anyone know whom it is from? That would be useful to know... Fangchen 06:43, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Volcano?
I really don't believe the claim that Illimani is an extinct volcano. That's contradicted by the Yossi Brain reference I just added, for one thing. The article includes Simkin and Siebert, which is pretty authoritative, as a source, but I have a hunch that the source has been misinterpreted. So I'll try to get my hands on a copy of S&S myself and see what it really says. -- Spireguy 20:45, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Surprisingly enough, my local public library had S&S, and guess what, there is no mention whatsoever of Illimani, or any peak in the Cordillera Real---because they are not volcanic! Since that "source" was bogus I also deleted the other one. I think they were copied from somewhere without the original author of the article knowing that they had no relevance. I wonder how many other non-volcanic peaks are misidentified on Wikipedia as volcanoes, just because they are big mountains---Huascarán used to be another example. -- Spireguy 22:02, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Eponym
The meaning of Illimani is given as "Golden Eagle," but this conflicts with the story given in Cantua buxifolia (the national flower of Bolivia). While Bolivia certainly has gold and probably has eagles, it doesn't have Golden Eagles, the range of which doesn't reach South America. Does anyone have a reference? —MiguelMunoz (talk) 08:49, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't see the conflict. "Golden eagle" is just the current name given to Aquila chrysaetos in english, and that fact has nothing to do with this story. The king in the Aymara legend is named "Eagle Made of Gold", thus "Golden Eagle" is a proper translation. That is without reference to an actual kind of eagles, just as Crazy Horse was named without reference to an actual kind of horses.Comu_nacho (spanish speaker) (talk) 01:38, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Height
Why is the elevation not given in the lede? --D Anthony Patriarche (talk) 19:06, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

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Cranberry sauce

Cranberry sauce or cranberry jam is a sauce or relish made out of cranberries, commonly served as a condiment or a side dish with Thanksgiving dinner in North America and Christmas dinner in the United Kingdom and Canada. There are differences in flavor depending on the geography of where the sauce is made: in Europe it is generally slightly sour-tasting, while in North America it is typically more heavily sweetened.

History
The recipe for cranberry sauce appears in the 1796 edition of American Cookery by Amelia Simmons, the first known cookbook authored by an American.

In 1606, the Mi'kmaq people introduced the French settlers in Port Royal, Nova Scotia to Cranberries. They would have been sweetened with maple sugar and served at the settlers first Thanksgiving in North America that year. The settlers described eating what they called “small red apples" in letters send back to France. Port-Royal reports contained menus describing cranberries. They are still called “pommes de prés”, or meadow apples, today in Acadia.

Although the Pilgrims may have been aware of the wild cranberries growing in the Massachusetts Bay area, it is unlikely that cranberry sauce would have been among the dishes served at the First Thanksgiving meal. Cranberries are not mentioned by any primary sources for the First Thanksgiving meal. The only foods mentioned are "Indian corn", wild turkey and waterfowl, and venison. The rest remains a matter of speculation among food historians. Although stuffings are not mentioned in primary sources, it was a common way to prepare birds for the table in the 17th century. According to a "Thanksgiving Primer" published by the Plimoth Plantation, cranberries may have been used in the stuffing recipes, but it is unlikely they would have been made into a sauce because sugar was very scarce.

Cranberry sauce was first offered to consumers in North America in 1912 in Hanson, Massachusetts. Canned cranberry sauce appeared on the market in 1941, allowing the product to be sold year-round. Cranberry sauce can be used with a variety of meats, including turkey, pork, chicken, and ham.

Cranberry sauce is often eaten in conjunction with turkey for Christmas in the United Kingdom and Canada or Thanksgiving in the United States and Canada, and it is only rarely eaten or served in other contexts there.

Preparation
The most basic cranberry sauce consists of cranberries boiled in sugar water until the berries pop and the mixture thickens. Some recipes include other ingredients such as slivered almonds, orange juice, orange zest, ginger, maple syrup, port, or cinnamon.

Commercial cranberry sauce
Commercial cranberry sauce may be loose and uncondensed, or condensed or jellied and sweetened with various ingredients. The jellied form may be slipped out of a can onto a dish, and served sliced or intact for slicing at the table.

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Aboriginal Multi-Media Society

The Aboriginal Multi-Media Society (AMMSA) is an Aboriginal publisher in Canada. AMMSA was established in 1983 under the Alberta Societies Act and launched its first publication in March 1983 – simply titled AMMSA. The name of this publication was later changed to Windspeaker in March 1986.

Publications
AMMSA abandoned producing paper products, making the decision to set up a news website.

History

AMMSA published a number of monthly publications listed below
 * Windspeaker – Featuring national content; publishing from March 1983 - 2016

AMMSA published the following provincial publications on a monthly basis: Published monthly from December 1993 - 2016 Published monthly from January 2000 -2016 Published monthly from March 1997 - 2016 Published monthly from October 1996 - 2016
 * Alberta Sweetgrass – News and events from Indigenous communities in Alberta
 * Ontario Birchbark - News and events from Indigenous communities in Ontario
 * Raven's Eye - News and events from Indigenous communities in British Columbia and the Yukon
 * Saskatchewan Sage - News and events from Indigenous communities in Saskatchewan

AMMSA digitized all of the published articles in its paper products dating back to 1983 and makes them available online as part of an archive of 20,000+ news and information articles. These archives have grown to more than 30,000 articles.

Radio
AMMSA also operates a radio network, Windspeaker Radio, for Indigenous listeners throughout Alberta. The network studios were originally in Lac La Biche, but are now based in Edmonton. A new transmitter in Edmonton was licensed by the CRTC in 2008, and became the CFWE network's primary station when it launched in July 2009.

On June 14, 2017, the CRTC granted AMMSA licenses to operate Type B Native FM radio stations aimed at urban Indigenous audiences in Edmonton at 89.3 MHz as the Raven CIWE-FM (which signed on in 2021), and in Calgary at 88.1 MHz as CJWE-FM (which began broadcasting in 2018). Both frequencies were previously licensed to Aboriginal Voices Radio Network but were revoked in 2015 due to compliance issues.

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Talk:Avobenzone

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I'm sure Wikipedia has a formal method of presenting chemicals, with formulas, etc. but I don't know it right now. Page needs some cleaning up. Carax 05:15, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Is it really safer than oxybenzone???
" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.247.199.50 (talk) 13:52, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Stability issues
Unfortunately, Paula Begoun is not a good source when it comes to avobenzone as she refuses to aknowledge the photo(in)stability issues. Will add sources and do a writeup as soon as I finish the Tinosorb article. -- Emp² 19:40, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

What about all the research that shows that Avobenzone is stable? I have only seen a few original studies that suggest Avobenzone isn't stable, and dozens of studies that suggest it is. 203.214.84.81 07:31, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

the part about the titanium dioxide and avobenzone combination is wrong, i have a thing of banana boat spf 50 in front of me that has avobenzone 1% and titanium dioxide listed in the ingredients.

 * I agree that avobenzone and titaium dioxide are ued in combination. i will remove this from the article.

should mention of helioplex be made here? EBMdoc (talk) 01:02, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

removal of stains cause by avobenzone on white vinyl?
Have an issue with staining from suntan lotion (particularly the chemical avobenzone) on white vinyl on my boat. Have not come across any article that would help in removal of these. Does anyone know or know of a source to help in this case?

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Patent & approval issues
In the Safety section, it is claimed that avobenzone "is still the only FDA approved UVA filter (up to 3% concentration.[8]" However, the reference denoted by [8] is this article, which contradicts the claim when going over a list of the FDA's currently approved sunscreens: "The UV-A filters are avobenzone and zinc oxide, which is also a good UV-B filter."

Also, in the History section, there are several uncited patent and approval dates: "Avobenzone was patented in 1973 and was approved in the EU in 1978. It was approved by the FDA in 1988." Thus, I believe this page needs to be edited to fix the false claim that avobenzone is the only FDA approved UVA filter and add sources to the patent and approval dates. I'm new to Wikipedia, so I'm hesitant to make these changes independently, but I'd be happy to learn how or at least prompt someone else to do so. YunoAlexia2001 (talk) 22:18, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/American Championship Wrestling

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Sasquatch ↔讲↔看 05:36, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

American Championship Wrestling
Not too sure about this one. "American Championship Wrestling" gets 3,420 google hits, however, the article specifically mentions Utah, which when added to the google search, only turns up 30 hits. The googling is definately a problem, for instance, there is a "North American Championship Wrestling" and a "American Championship Wrestling Association", etc. I am actually going to Abstain from voting, but another editor suggested that this was VFDable, so here it is. func (talk) 05:15, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, nonnotable. --Angr/undefined 05:41, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete notability not established. JamesBurns 09:06, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, NN. Micro tonal ... (Put your head on my shoulder) 09:08, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, NN.TruthCrusader
 * Abstain - I edited the article after it was created using inflammatory and factually incorrect material for the ACW-Utah entry that was deleted several weeks back. The "(an)other editor" who suggested the deletion is a known disrupter/troll of Wikipedia under the guise of being a "white hat", and had a hand in creating the material used at the deleted entry and the original entry for this page, but that's a subject for a different rant. I'm not incredibly opposed to the article being deleted, but I have chosen to provide the relevant facts regarding the page's creation and suggestion for deletion, and I would hope that those would be taken into consideration. Chadbryant 18:11, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Non-notable, "in negotiations" for television sounds euphemistic. Xoloz 04:36, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

 * DELETEorganization does not exist.

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Baa Atoll

Baa Atoll (includes Southern Maalhosmadulu Atoll or Maalhosmadulu Dhekunuburi, Fasdhūtherē Atoll, and Goifulhafehendhu Atoll) is an administrative division of the Maldives. It consists of three separate natural atolls, namely southern Maalhosmadulu Atoll (which is 42 km long and 32 km wide and consists of 9 inhabited islands), the Fasdūtherē Atoll (wedged in between the two Maalhosmadulu Atolls and separated from north Maalhosmasdulu Atoll by Hani Kandu or Moresby Channel) and the smaller natural atoll known as Goifulhafehendhu Atoll (Horsburgh Atoll in the Admiralty charts).

Situated on the west of the Maldives atoll chain, it consists of 75 islands of which 13 are inhabited with a population of over 11,000 people. The remaining 57 islands are uninhabited, in addition to eight islands being developed as resorts.

Thulhaadhoo Island is traditionally well known for lacquerwork handicrafts.

Geography
Baa Atoll consists in two roughly circular sub-atolls, separated by the narrow Kudarikilu Kandu channel. The total measures approximately 38 km wide (east-west) for 46 km long (north-south), covering a surface of 1 127 km2 surface.

The atoll is formed by 105 coral reefs, representing a reef surface of 263 km2. This reef surface is 61 islands provided with vegetation, and a variable number of sandy bays (between 4 and 14). Half (38) of these islands are less than 10 hectares, constituting less than 20% of the atoll lands.

The biggest island is Dharavandhoo (45,5 ha), followed by Kunfunadhoo (35 ha). The highest point, although difficult to establish, is situated in Funadhoo., with 3,19 m over the sea level.

Biodiversity and ecology

Maalhosmadulu Atoll is also considered as a good example of the rich biodiversity found in the Maldives, including large mangroves and a unique diversity of fauna, such as the benthic fauna. Furthermore, the ring-shaped reef forms known as faru in the Dhivehi language is a reef structure which is unique to the Maldives.

The southernmost uninhabited island of Olhugiri in the North Maalhosmadulu Atoll lies 13 km north of Goifulhafehendhu Atoll. Olhugiri is well known for its unique natural vegetation and for providing two of the only perching sites for the great frigatebird in the Maldives. Likewise, other marine creatures such as sea turtles and hawksbill turtles can be encountered.

The Fisheries Ministry of the Maldives has banned catching turtles or taking eggs from Olhugiri, which also applies to 11 other islands.

Biosphere reserve
The Maldives harbors globally-significant biodiversity in its numerous reefs and demonstrates a long history of human interaction with the environment. Covering approximately 139,700 ha of coastal/marine areas, the site is representative of the Maldives’ high diversity of reef animals, with hard and soft corals, reef-associated fish species, marine turtles, Manta Rays and Whale Sharks. In addition to its 12,170 inhabitants, some 350,000 tourists visit the biosphere reserve annually. As part of a Global Environment Facility (GEF) project, the site has great potential for demonstrating sustainable development throughout the Maldives and the region, while relying on a green economy.

Hanifaru Bay which is known locally as Vandhumaafaru Adi is thought to be one of the few places in the world where whale sharks congregate to mate, although recent research suggests otherwise with the vast majority of the whale sharks seen there being young males. The bay however regularly sees some of the largest gatherings of manta rays worldwide with up to one hundred individuals in the small inlet when the tide pushes plankton into the bay.

The designation of Baa Atoll as a UNESCO World Biosphere Reserve in June 2011 was a significant achievement for the Maldives. placing it in the company of world famous sites such as Komodo island in Indonesia, Uluru (Ayer’s Rock) in Australia and the Galápagos Islands.

Voavah
Voavah (also known as Hafnas) is the first island designated by UNESCO as an exclusive use island. Voavoh is owned by the Four seasons company and is available for hire.

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Jon Kinnally

Jon Kinnally is an American television writer and producer, most notable for his work on the multi-Emmy award and Golden Globe Award nominated TV show Will & Grace.

Life and career
A graduate of the State University of New York at Oswego, Kinnally also appeared as Mitchell in the Will & Grace episode "One Gay at a Time". He wrote for and produced the hit ABC show, Ugly Betty.

Along with fellow producer Tracy Poust, Kinnally began as a writer for the show and later became executive producer.

Kinnally and Poust penned the famous episode "A Chorus Lie" starring Matt Damon as Owen, Jack's heterosexual rival, pretending to be gay to vie for a spot in the Manhattan Gay Men's Chorus.

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Dion McGregor

Dion McGregor (1922–1994) was an American songwriter known for talking in his sleep. He was born in New York City. An LP of his dream diatribes – The Dream World Of Dion McGregor (He Talks In His Sleep) – was released to minor acclaim by Decca Records in 1964. A book of the same name, containing the transcripts of a wider selection of McGregor's dreams, and with illustrations by Edward Gorey, was also published in 1964.

McGregor would essentially narrate his dreams at conversational volume. As a narrator of his (often terrifying) dreams, Dion adopted various personas but frequently established a fey, argumentative, insolent approach to the subject at hand – be it a hot air balloon trip to the moon with a group of multi-ethnic children, a frantic journey around New York, or a tattooing job on a woman's tongue.

As a songwriter, McGregor's biggest success came when his song "Where Is The Wonder" (cowritten with roommate Michael Barr) was recorded by Barbra Streisand on her hit album My Name Is Barbra (1965). He was unable to find much success afterwards, however, and by the 1980s had given up on songwriting. Critic Joslyn Layne writes that "Despite his lack of success as a song lyricist, McGregor's narration of his vivid dreamlife provided a more unique artistic contribution than any usually recorded."

McGregor died in 1994, but researcher Phil Milstein gathered recordings of McGregor's dream-speech considered too risque to be released in the 1960s and assembled them for the 1999 album, Dion McGregor Dreams Again, released on Tzadik Records. A third album, The Further Somniloquies of Dion McGregor: More Outrageous Recordings of the World's Most Renowned Sleeptalker was assembled by Toronto poet Steve Venright and released in August 2004 on the Torpor Vigil Industries label. A previously unreleased recording, "Naughty Pussy", was released in April 2011 as part of Awkwardcore Compilation #1 on the Awkwardcore Records label. A fourth album was released in July 2014, again assembled by Venright for Torpor Vigil, called Dreaming Like Mad with Dion McGregor: Yet More Outrageous Recordings of the World's Most Renowned Sleeptalker.

Another of his roommates in the 1960s was filmmaker and fellow Edward Gorey enthusiast Peter de Rome. McGregor appears in de Rome's film "Mumbo Jumbo" (1971).

In 2017 Verena Paravel and Lucien Castaing-Taylor made an experimental documentary film about McGregor's dreams called Somniloquies. It was accepted by several renowned film festivals including Berlinale, Karlovy Vary International Film Festival and IndieLisboa International Independent Film Festival.

Book

 * The Dream World Of Dion McGregor (1964, Bernard Geis Associates; distributed by Random House)

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