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Talk:Central Coast Mariners FC

Sections within "History"
I think that the history section could do with some organisation. I suggest it might be a good idea to place the period up to early 2010 under a heading along the lines of "Lawrie McKinna Era". Any opinions on that? I'll also try to update some of the history.Mcpaulrus (talk) 11:03, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Manager details and figures
I have been trying to keep the figures for Lawrie Mckinna up to date but I think that they might be very incorrect! What can we do to correct it? I would personally go back and count it all up but I don't get on much. Any suggestions would be helpful! Cheers  Drizzt  Ja  mo  22:41, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * does the mariners' site have the info? Dibo T 00:58, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Good Idea! I will check! Cheers Dibo!  Drizzt  Ja  mo  22:33, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Nope, It's not there. Any other ideas?  Drizzt  Ja  mo  22:37, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Final Summary
I added a summary of the final at the end of the breif bit at the start of the article. It needs to be cut down to make it a bit more short. Any help doing so would be helpful! Cheers  Drizzt  Ja  mo  01:56, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Update
This page appears to have been kept up to date until it achieved FA status, and is now outdated in almost all sections Stu.W UK (talk) 18:03, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

 * I would like to include mention of the clubs first appearance at the AFC Champions League in 2009.

 * Would like to add that Argentinian Patricio Perez will be on board for the next two Hyundai A-League seasons. SeekerAfterTruth (talk) 16:19, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Michael McGlinchey
As anyone watching the page has probably figured by now, Michael McGlinchey is a Scottish footballer. He may not be considered Scottish, but a New Zealander, however, per the guideline on the use of flags for sportspeople, the flag displayed next to his name in football articles must be a Scottish one, as he has played matches for the Scottish national U-20 team. If anyone feels that he most definitely is a New Zealand footballer, I strongly encourage you to speak up here. Thanks, timsdad   (talk) 09:02, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

There was talk earlier this week, about McGlinchey being called up by Ricki Herbet for the NZ NT for their next game. Nath1991 (talk) 05:57, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, McGlinchley has now played games for the senior New Zealand team. Mcpaulrus (talk) 07:36, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Chairman
The chairman position is inconsistent in the article. In the right hand summary it's still listed as Ian Keirnan, yet we all know (as validated by Mariners site) it is Peter Turnbull, as it is listed in the article proper. (davidab (talk) 00:35, 19 March 2011 (UTC))

Current A-League squad
The current A-League squad is leaving out the players with numbers 7 - 14. I have tried to fix this myself, but in the edit section everything seems to be in order even though when I preview the change, it is still wrong. I would ask that a more experienced Wikipedian please fix it themselves, as I have tried and failed :( —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cbowden9000 (talk • contribs) 09:07, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed...Superfluous ! at the end of the block-- Club Oranje T 10:19, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

 * Shouldn't Usain Bolt's short term trial contract put him in the squad list or should it wait until we know if they offer him a more permanent contract? He's already made an impact by scoring 2 goals in a test game.
 * Here are some source information:
 * https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/jul/17/usain-bolt-trial-australia-central-coast-mariners
 * https://www.si.com/soccer/2018/10/12/usain-bolt-goal-video-central-coast-mariners — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.114.242.120 (talk) 10:56, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

 * The convention is not to list trial players. Whatever arrangement he has at the moment isn't enough to be eligible for competitive games. He may well sign soon (so worth watching this space of course), but until if/when that happens he shouldn't be added to the squad. Macosal (talk) 00:26, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Marinators
This group is defunct now right? Replaced by one named "The Coastie Boys" as far as I know? Anyone got any sources? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.174.139.217 (talk) 14:21, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe something like that is the case. There are a few sources that say they exist but I haven't seen anything considered reliable that say they replaced the Marinators or that the Marinators are defunct. Camw (talk) 19:25, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Patrick Zwaanswijk
He was added to the squad a while ago, but there's no profile of him on the CCM website, and i can't find any source claiming he's signed for them. What's the deal with this guy? not even his page has any source saying he's signed for the club. Nath1991 (talk) 07:29, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Article concerns - FAR issues
This article has been nominated to appear as WP:Today's Featured Article but it is far below current standards. Per the first stage of the Featured article review process, I am posting a list of concerns here. If these are not addressed, the article may lose its featured status. In no particular order:
 * Deadlinks marked since January 2013
 * Unsourced statements marked since January 2013
 * Seasons are referred to using slashes, hyphens and dashes, and sometimes using six digits and sometimes eight (e.g. 2008/2009, 2010–11, 2012-2013)
 * "The Mariners are currently competing in the last 16 phase of the Asian Champions League." No they are not.
 * "The Mariners Centre of Excellence is currently being constructed in Tuggerah and will then become the clubs headquarters." This is only in the lead, not the rest of the article, shouldn't use "currently" and needs grammar fixing.
 * "Lawrie McKinna era" - the last five paragraphs of this sub-section have one reference between them, and peacock/POV phrases such as "the many fine Youth Academy players", "following a remarkable final round", "match ended in controversy", "this was controversially referred to as a strike", "The 2008–09 season was disappointing compared to the standards set in the previous season"
 * "Graham Arnold era" - problems include "On the 21st of April 2013" (wrong type of date format) and "remarkable debut season"
 * "Colours and badge" - choppy prose, grammatical errors, unsourced statements.
 * "Stadium" - "As of December 2007" shows this FA's age.
 * "Rivalries" - shouldn't be just an unexplained list; ditto for "affiliated clubs"
 * "Club officials" - unsourced
 * "Managers" - needs updating
 * "Individual honours" - "most prestigious award" POV, all awards uncited

I haven't looked at the sourcing. Other people may find other problems. BencherliteTalk 11:39, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Changes from "Socceroos" to "Australia national association football team"
In this and several other articles Macktheknifeau has unilaterally changed the word "Socceroos" to "Australia national association football team". (Sometimes with the word "player" tacked on for sanity, but hardly for clarity and simplicity.) I see these changes as pointy, confrontational, and not in line with the agreed naming of Soccer in Australia There is a centralised discussion on this matter underway at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Football in Australia). HiLo48 (talk) 22:49, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

The "fullname" parameter in the Infobox.
Rather than edit warring here, I have begun a thread at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Football in Australia) to discuss how we should use the "fullname" parameter in the Infobox template. Unfortunately it seems to be being used by some to continue to now sneakily press the claim that their game is called football. HiLo48 (talk) 08:36, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Is the club a plural or singular entity?
My English teachers would have failed me if I had written things like "The club were founded in 2004..." It had to be "The club was founded in 2004..." because a club is a single entity. I know language standards change, but we are not totally conistsent. The second paragraph begins with "The club plays matches at...", not "The club play matches at...", so it's being treated as a single entity there.

If we want featured article status, we must at least get the grammar consistent. Obviously I would prefer what I was taught to be the standard (it's far more logical), but might be willing to accept an alternative consensus. What's there now is ugly. HiLo48 (talk) 00:33, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

 * ✅ Thankyou for the thorough response.--2nyte (talk) 01:53, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

 * Cool. Unfortunately, there's a lot more places where the club is treated as a plural entity, e.g. the very first sentence. Maybe I'll go ahead and change them all. I don't think it's controversial. HiLo48 (talk) 02:23, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I just noticed that one too. Feel free to go through and correct it.--2nyte (talk) 02:41, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I switched everything that I could to plural because I've seen this be an issue in several soccer team FACs before. This is one of many examples where this has proved to be a key issue, and I thought going for plural usage throughout would prove to be the least painful approach. Otherwise, you'll run into situations where the grammar becomes ugly due to the usage of the Mariners nickname as a shorthand. If you still want everything singular, though, let me know and I'll be happy to go through the article and change everything. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 00:16, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, the changes should be done now. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 02:34, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

 * I noticed in the lede sentence it says "in the Central Coast of"...I've never heard of that before. I've only ever heard "on the Central Coast" used. Was this a typo or is there a grammatical rule that everyone seemingly disregards for that? Daniel (talk) 03:00, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
 * It's fixed now. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 23:07, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Ta. Daniel (talk) 01:36, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Premiership
The A-League uses the term Premiership differently to all other sports, having it mean 'top of the table' rather than overall champions. Without any explanation this term is confusing. Howabout "Central Coast Mariners has topped the table and won the A-League Premiership twice and claimed one A-League Championship from four Grand Final appearances." Mdw0 (talk) 01:06, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
 * That wording makes it seem as if topping the table and winning the A-League premiership are two separate achievements (which they are not). I suggest an easy fix would be linking "premiership" to Minor premiership, as I have done in Western Sydney Wanderers FC.--2nyte (talk) 03:13, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I think it needs more than just a hyperlink. How about "Central Coast Mariners have claimed one A-League Championship from four Grand Final appearances, and has topped the table to win the A-League Premiership twice." Mdw0 (talk) 03:51, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I just saw these comments and can see why that might be confusing. I edited the sentence to be similar to Mdw0's proposal (with a couple tweaks), and added a minor premiership link. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 18:13, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Youth players in Current Squad section
claims that youth players Reece Papadimitrios, Steve Whyte and Lachlan Wales should be listed in Current Squad section per WikiProject Football/Clubs. This does not seem at all the case as they do not have a first team shirt number, and have not played first team football for the club in the past. Macosal responded "they clearly do have first team shirt numbers... 24, 26 and 27", though I'm not sure where he's referencing this from as, apart from Steve Whyte they weren't even named in a squad this season, and Whyte was an unused sub. When youth players get called up to the senior team (usually because there is a shortage of senior players due to injuries or national leave) they get a temporary number for the game. Feel free to glance through season pages and you'll often see on the squad stats more than one youth player listed with the same shirt number. Why? because it's a temporary number, not an assigned number for the season like players with senior contracts have. Whyte is the only one of these 3 players who might warrant being in the Current Squad section, and even that doesn't seem to make sense to me as he didn't actually play. --SuperJew (talk) 10:04, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

 * I suspect you haven't looked into this particularly much. In fact, the opposite of what you say is true. Youth players, once given a shirt number, retain that number for the entirety of the season. Papadimitrios was listed as number 24 in November. Whyte as 26 in round 17, round 20, round 25 and round 26 and Wales in round 26. Do you have anything to support your statement "Feel free to glance through season pages and you'll often see on the squad stats more than one youth player listed with the same shirt number"? Certainly for the A-League itself in recent seasons I have never observed this to be the case (although they do sometimes vary for other competitions, as is not uncommon worldwide). In fact the opposite is true - notice the number 25 for the Mariners is blank. That is because it was used by Ryan Peterson earlier in the season. When Wales came into the squad this week, I suspect he was given 27 because it was the lowest number not already registered for another player (1-23 for senior contracts, 24 is Papadimitrios, 25 was Peterson and 26 is Whyte). Or look at Sydney FC this season. They have used 2 youth 'keepers in matchday squads - one given the number 30, the next given the number 31. This all pretty clearly indicates that when youth players are given numbers, these numbers are retained as their first team number for the remainder of the season. The guideline is fairly conclusive that players who have first team numbers (as these players do) should be listed. Macosal (talk) 10:50, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

 * Here's a few examples for you: Caletti and Theodore both wore #29, Garuccio and Petreski wore #19, Ingham and Dover wore #23, Trajkovski and Youlley wore #36.
 * This was also mentioned by on my talk page. (Youth players do not have numbers, youth players may play for the senior team, but only if the player is signed to the senior team do they receive an official shirt number.)
 * And finally, but most importantly, what is the value of adding players who weren't even in the match-day squad to the Current Squad section? --SuperJew (talk) 11:37, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

 * That comment by 2nyte is from a few years ago now and unsourced - from memory he may have been right at the time but certainly it is no longer the case. As for the examples you give, I flagged this in my earlier comment. Neither Caletti or Theodore were in A-League squads for the Roar in 2015–16 (these numbers were from other comps); nor was Petreski in 2015–16; nor was Dover in 2015–16. As I mentioned, there is nothing unusual about players taking different numbers for different competitions - but all players have had one and only one number for A-League purposes (this is the same for senior players). As for the fourth, Trajkovski was at Sydney Olympic by early 2015, before Youlley took his number for a match in April 2015 (there is nothing unusual about another player taking a number once its previous owner has left). I'm still seeing nothing to suggest once a player takes an A-League number that isn't "his" number. Any e.g.s of a player changing number mid season? As to your broader point, that is something more relevant to discuss at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Clubs, which gives quite a clear guideline. However, my answer would be that their possession of a number is evidence that they are members of the "current squad" properly named, and are therefore of note to those reading about that subject. 's comments in this discussion express it pretty well.  Macosal (talk) 12:01, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

 * I recall Caletti, Theodore and Dover (and Ingham) being named for A-League squads. Now that I think of it, seems to me that Petreski was named only for Cup squad. On what are you basing your claim that Caletti, Theodore and Dover weren't named in an A-League squad?
 * The user you mentioned in that discussion says A squad list should be a list of players available in contention for selection. Well, all youth players are available for selection, but yet it would be ridiculous to include all youth players. --SuperJew (talk) 12:43, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

 * Alternatively, we could remove the ambiguity by using the format used in the Premier League and call the section "First team squad" and then it will indeed include only senior-contracted players, and the youth players will be linked with a "See also Team FC Youth". --SuperJew (talk) 12:45, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

 * Firstly, the players soccerway profiles. Soccerway adds a row and statistic for seasons even if the player only makes it onto the bench but not the field. None of the players I mentioned have rows for the 2015-16 season.
 * Secondly, you're right, of course it would be ridiculous to add all youth team players to this list. That is why the guideline which has been set in the past is helpful in limiting the number of youth players to be listed here, and reflective of those closer to selection, if not already being selected.
 * Thirdly, I dislike your alternative. We do already use the same format as the premier league, do we not? The same guideline certainly applies. But likewise, when a player from a premier league acamedy moves into a first team, they will be / should be listed in the squad. But to omit youth contracted players would be counterproductive I think. That distinction is a technical one, and given youth contracted players frequently feature week in-week out for the first team I think it would be unhelpful to omit them. Macosal (talk) 13:38, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

 * Neither Papadimitrios or Wales even have Soccerway pages, since they never made it to a matchday squad. So, by that logic we should not show either of them (I agree with this logic btw). Whyte sat twice on the bench but didn't play. IMO, it should show, as you said, players who "feature week in-week out for the first team".
 * The difference between the Premier League is that we have "current squad" and they have "first team squad" (which is much more clear definition). Youth players who sign professional contracts have first-team contracts. That's the point. --SuperJew (talk) 14:09, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

 * You've misunderstood me. I don't think soccerway is in any way related to who we should / shouldn't show, it's just evidence that the players you mentioned earlier didn't receive numbers for A-League games. Also the relevant subsection here is "first team squad" I think you're seeing some abstract difference where there isn't one. Also you're now arguing against a guideline, not about anything related to this page specifically. This is not the place to do that. If you have anything else to say about whether or not these players have first team numbers, do that here; if not, I'll revert back and you can take this discussion to the talk page I linked above. As I see it the current guideline and its application are pretty unambiguous in this case. Macosal (talk) 14:22, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

 * You missed my point mate. Just as the players you mentioned (Caletti, Theodore and Dover) aren't listed as subs on Soccerway because they were selected for the extended squad, but not the matchday squad, so Papadimitrios and Wales aren't listed as subs on Soccerway because they were selected for the extended squad, but not the matchday squad. You can't argue one way for Caletti, Theodore and Dover and another way for Papa and Wales. --SuperJew (talk) 22:05, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

 * I'm not "arguing one way" for those players... You raised them as examples of more than one player having the same number, and I'm merely explaining that there was no inconsistency there, they received different numbers for other competitions than the A-League (which, as I said, is standard practice worldwide). The fact remains that youth A-League players, once given a first team number, retain that number for the season. Macosal (talk) 22:21, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

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Keep claimed titles, or not
why is there no information on this man in Wikipedia. Censored information is B.S.

Should we really keep his claimed titles (I mean, Knight Templar, right) as if they were actually true. I mean, he's the author behind the Michel Lafosse claims, and his material is mostly ignorant tripe based on the fact that there are ignoramuses who will take it as face value because they have as little clue on actual early Imperial scholarship as he probably does. Because of personal bias (made clear above), and because I am physicaly far from being able to access primary sources, or reliable secondary ones, I am reluctant to edit it yet. Those titles which he claims to have, thus far, been unable to be confirmed, except for those which require nothing other than simply joining the listed organization, which anyone could do. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.81.36.33 (talk • contribs)

(Wraithcat) - His claim on his webpage as of 27 Jun 2006 to be a "Professional Member of the Institute of Nanotechnology" have been refuted directly by them. I emailed them directly and they indicated that "Laurence was a member of the institute for a short while until we found out about his unfounded claims and his membership has not been renewed since." This if nothing else casts great doubt upon the veracity of his claims, and indeed his very honesty in continuing to claim membership of this organisation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wraithcat (talk • contribs)

 * Why not take it as true? The majority of people in the Western world, and particularly America, seem willing to believe the far more preposterous idea that the son of God came to earth, before being killed and then coming magically to life after three days. Yes he makes the claim that some things that have been recorded as fictional or legendary may have basis in reality. Does he back these claims up with evidence from several sources? Why, yes, it appears that he does. Try actually reading the books, or something. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.63.61.2 (talk • contribs)

 * We aren't operating at the standards of "the majority of the people in the western world" here. We're operating according to the the standards and policies of Wikipedia, particularly the five pillars of Wikipedia.  Even when it comes to articles about Christianity we strive to maintain NPOV and keep assertions verifiable.  --Jackhorkheimer 20:58, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Me Again; amusing summary of his writings, which do get stranger in time (he is claiming that LOTR is non-fiction and much of his theories require that the Priory of Sion exist, and might be the single least outrageous proposal needed to make his ideas work) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.81.36.33 (talk • contribs)

 * He is NOT claiming that LOTR is non-fiction; he is claiming that it is a fiction based on customs and traditions that have long been forgotten thanks to the oppression and persecution by conservative Christian society.
 * Laurence Gardner’s Bloodline of the Holy Grail steals from Barbara Thiering’s book explaining the pesher technique of New Testament interpretation (she believes that scions of the Judaic royal houses had to abstain from having sex with their spouses for six years between each conception) with efforts to track the Grail lineage in British (as opposed to French) history. Gardner seems to have the strange dual goals of anointing Prince Michael of Albany the current Stewart (and hence Grail-Messianic) king, and to convince Americans that they were once (and probably should thus be again) willing to accept a Stewart constitutional monarchy as a viable form of government. Gardner’s motives seem tied up with the mysterious Dragon Order which he is a member of — a chivalric group which may or may not be in some way allied or tied into the PoS. In recent articles in Nexus magazine, Gardner has suggested the secret of the Grail bloodline may be some sort of mysterious elixir, "StarFire," which provides immortality and the ability to travel through space and time. He has also hinted that the Grail ‘bloodline’ may, in fact, consist of albinistic elflike extraterrestrial beings that feast in a vampiric fashion on pineal glands. Gardner’s writings seem to be getting stranger and stranger — I wish I was making that last sentence up.
 * and me again. Who are you to say that that does or doesn't happen? Have you proof that it's not true? Did you do extensive research both archaelogical and historical? You have to love skeptics. 'I don't believe this, therefore it must be wrong'. It's not even as if he hasn't tried to prove it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.63.61.2 (talk • contribs)

Yet Again: http://graal.co.uk/affiliates.html ; claims to verify (HIRH Otto von Habsburg-Lothringen doesn't seem to know this European Council of Princes he's supposed to have presided) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.63.61.2 (talk • contribs)

--- Someone else entirely here, and, you cannot prove a negative, you can however rationally dismiss anything nonsensical that is claimed to be true with no supporting empirical evidence.

And then there's the 'gold powder' thing.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chryx (talk • contribs)

"Presidential Attache to the self-styled European Council of Princes" also "Prior of the self-styled Celtic Churches Sacred Kindred of Saint Columbia" The words 'self-styled' in these quoted titles are misleading. Gardner did not refer to 'the European Council of Princes' as 'self-styled', nor 'the Celtic Churches...etc.' The 'self-styled' may be true, but Gardner never said it, so should not be within the quotation marks. Radex09 (talk) 19:45, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Encyclopedic?
Most of this article is nothing more than a cut and paste of Gardner's articles so I'm going to delete them. Even if the author put them here himself they would still be extremely unencyclopedic for the purposes of this site and would need to be thoroughly reworked in order to be Wikified.--65.113.254.207 23:01, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I'd also suggest reverting to last October's version (which I'll do in one week pending an answer), as the part about his top-10 position seems somewhat sycophantic, especially in that records of a top-10 position have yet to produce verification. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Snapdragonfly (talk • contribs)

 * The top-10 business is copied off Gardner's website: http://graal.co.uk/index.html Mrdallaway 11:34, 25 January 2006 (UTC.

Has anyone actually disputed his sources? chrisporker@hotmail.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.178.8.2 (talk • contribs)

 * He has no sources. It's purely conjecture with references that having nothing to do with his speculation.  There is not a single reliable source that, for example, ties together his "white powder gold" theory.    —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.188.98.26 (talk) 07:26, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

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I happen to think that Gardner is on to something, and the fact that you speak so strongly against his claims is only proof to the sensitive nature of the material under scrutiny. People don't enjoy having their comfort zones messed with. Daily routines, familiarity and a certain sense of predictability are what help people to find peace and direction. If the world woke up one day to find out we'd been living a lie, wouldn't we be pretty angry about it? Confused? Discomforted? If this was such "tripe", you wouldn't have anything to worry about, would you? You wouldn't mind that an academic who's willing enough to take his work away from the norms of mainstream academics, and ask some difficult questions that most people are too afraid to ask, wanted to write a few books and share his finds with the general public. You mention Gardner's work on the monatomic gold... everything I've read and seen has been completely supported by the most modern EMPIRICAL scientific testing procedures that Gardner discusses. If you can't disprove his claims any more than you say he can prove his, then you have no right to edit this entry in a grossly negative manner, supporting only your own seemingly self-righteous beliefs. Thanks for your opinions, though. Always welcome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.108.83.98 (talk • contribs)

Agreed, but 'reconsidering' his findings or methods does not necessarily have to mean you do it because he's messing with your comfort zones. It's easy to imply, but it doesn't have to be the reason. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Toomanyprotestsingers (talk • contribs)

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If you want to keep this article neutral, it's very simple. You list him as an author, you list the books he's written, and describe what each book is about. Not how you feel about the book, or wether you think what he's written is a bunch of BS. You simply put the facts down, and let people come to their own conclusions.

What about the so called "White powder gold"?
What about this supposed panacea against age effects, illness, etc., "reputed" to be the "Food of Gods" and nutrition of souls?. Mr. Gardner appeards to be linked in any way to this stuff (http://www.whitepowdergold.com/). Anybody can scientifically say what really is this?.

Please email to malpy2004@yahoo.com

Enrique De Tomás —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.39.141.166 (talk • contribs)

While I do not have easy access to sources on hand (all my books are packed away. My mother had a stoke and I was forced to move back home to help my dad with her, so everything I own - all 5 rooms of it, is spread through their house. It looks like we're hoarders! LOL) I ingested Monatomic Gold (i.e., "White Powder Gold") daily for 7 years. What did it actually do for me? I'm not sure that I can easily explain that. I no longer sleep for long periods of time. I tend to stay up all night and sleep during the earlier part of the day. I was later told this was one of the side effects of ingesting it. Lovely. They couldn't bother telling me that beforehand? It has to do with the cycle of Melatonin & Serotonin production in the brain, but I don't know the science behind it - just that I've had a screwed sleep cycle since around 2002, which is when I officially began taking it on a daily basis. I most definitely seem to have a better grasp of things. What I mean is that I seem to find better solutions when problems arise. Like the sleep cycle issue - the easiest solution was for me to take a night job. As for it being an anti-aging thing, or any of that. Perhaps in it's purest form, made directly from Gold - that may be true. What I was taking was not made from converted gold, it was made from crystals and minerals that had formed where a meteor struck the Earth. (Look for a product called "Etherium Gold". That was the brand I took. The company has quite a bit of the research on their website.)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thosewhocallemtim (talk • contribs) 12:43, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Delete?
Right now the page has only one line, and even that is disputed due to neutrality. Should we just delete the whole thing?68.239.209.107 17:17, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

POV
I just read the page, he is a real author, I have most of his books. That is the neutrality dispute about? Chikanamakalaka 04:30, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I for one have no reason to conceal my IP address,(as others have done here by logging in) and as such I claim that Laurence Gardner is much more detailed as an investigator, linguist, and historian, than many whom I have read. I have personally researched early christian history for 35 years. There is quite a difference between reading some half baked "expert" who have published some christian literature on the subject, and taking an objective view of the subject. In order for that to happen, you need to reference hundreds if not thousands of literary works. When you do, the picture becomes perfectly clear. Its not a picture that any "organized religion" wants to be made public. Remember that there is no dispute among historians that "those that win the battles write the history you read". I caution everyone to use their own brains and do the work. Its called DUE-DILLIGENCE. Its the stuff that creates science in every form. You must be dilligent, do your homework, otherwise you could easily be sold a bill of goods. That bill could be your support of a war that might not be legitimate, or it could be the support of a religious establishment serving their own purpose. Laurence Gardner has done his homework. Research his life history, do your homework. As someone who has traveled this earth and visited over 36 countries, and has a personal library of over 3000 books related to Theology, and belief system, I can assure you that unless you are dilligent, you can be sold anything. Why have you spent so much time researching this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alex56l (talk • contribs) 21:01, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

 * Please point me to scientific evidence that shape-shifting reptilian aliens once ruled our land. If you think science is basically about footnoting everything you read, you need to educate yourself. --124.188.98.26 (talk) 07:31, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Citations removed
They simply didn't meet WP:V. Two of them didn't even cite the reviewers real name. --notJackhorkheimer (talk / contribs) 18:55, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Paranormal tag
To be a conspiracy theorist is not necessarily to be a paranormalist, or vice versa; plenty of people who believe JFK was shot by a US government cabal roll their eyes at the notion of extraterrestrials...and likewise, vice versa. What connection is there to The Unexplained other than that? --Chr.K. 10:20, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I see your qualms, but you'll note that he's not catted under paranormal. I think the header is just there because the paranormal project decided they'd look over and maintain the page.  --notJackhorkheimer (talk / contribs) 17:24, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Not good enough
This is an utterly paltry article for a fairly high profile author who writes detailed books on complex subjects. Whether you agree with his ideas or not you can't deny that there should at least be information here as to what they are. Deleting huge swathes of text on the basis that "Most of this article is nothing more than a cut and paste of Gardner's articles so I'm going to delete them" is not the kind of attitude to take at all. If you think something is unencyclopedic then either take the time to re-write it carefully or leave it alone. Sachabrunel 10:51, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

 * I completely agree with Sachabrunel. The sensorship and negativity directed towards this article is appalling.  The purpose of Wikipedia is to inform the reader about facts.  An article about an individual may contain description of the individual's beliefs.  It is a fact that the individual holds a particular belief and that fact should be presented on Wikipedia.  This does not mean that the belief is true or false.  The claim is not that the belief is a fact, simply that it is a fact that the person believes it.  It is up to the reader to decide for themselves what to think of the individual(Laurence Gardner)'s beliefs; not an over zealous Wikipedian deleting everything he/she dislikes.  sloth_monkey 09:35, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. This article makes Mr Gardner out to be some sort of David Icke figure, not the respected author he is. The article as it stands is a totally biased hatchet job and not impartial at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.18.167.87 (talk) 17:29, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Facts on author?
Does anyone have any facts on the author e.g. where/when he was born, working history etc? I thought he was English but I'm reading one of his books and he uses the US English spelling of words instead of UK English.Burns flipper 11:25, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * If you are reading a US issue of one of his books it has likely been edited grammar- and spelling-wise for a US audience. Xanthippe 03:58, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Laurence Gardner was British. His books were published by an American Publishing company, so their editors would have used American English rather than British English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thosewhocallemtim (talk • contribs) 11:48, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Parentage
Is Laurence Gardner the son of Gerald Gardner (as alleged here)? Theelf29 17:24, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

This has been alleged numerous times by the same types of people who claimed Laurence Gardner was a "shape-shifting reptilian alien". There has been no proof put forth that he was Gerald Gardner's son, just the allegation. I would say that, considering his friendship with Nicholas de Vere and his views on Genetic Witches (i.e., Witches as a race) vs. the religion called "Wicca"(founded by Gerald Gardner), I would find it highly unlikely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thosewhocallemtim (talk • contribs) 12:28, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Revising History - Recovering Knowledge
I have read Laurence Garner's books, have gone as far as possible in verifying his numerous and valuable references, and have followed a similar path in examining the evidence of our history.

This has led me to conclude that Laurence Garder is as close to the truth on his many subjects as any other comparable researcher and author.

In attempting to cover so much ground, it is enevitable that some of his work has been subject to revision, which he has not hesitated in carrying out.

Over some twelve years I have noticed the same pattern of arrogant, repetitive and shallow critizism from a group of individuals who are clearly incensed by the revelation of truths, which deeply challenge established religious teachings.

The fact that Laurence Gardner attracts those who denigrate his character and smear his scholarship, without any genuine level of examination of the subjects he covers, tells the world that this books should be taken very seriously.

These works represent serious historical research, supported by a very large section of the informed book buying public as interest and sales of his books demonstrate.

The infantile statements and discriptions of Laurence Gardner and his scholarship, which imply otherwise on this website are a disgrace.

Edkidu —Preceding unsigned comment added by Edkidu (talk • contribs) 20:52, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

 * Genuine examination of his work shows that his research is NOT scholarly. Scholarship is about method, not volume. The fact that he present what are clearly forged documents (a high school Latin student could see flaws in the document) in support of "Michael of Albany" suggests further purports the notion that his methods are very dubious.--124.188.98.26 (talk) 07:38, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Unsubstantiated claim
The below Arizona Milder, which is interviewed in the movie "The Biggest Secret, tells that Laurence is one of the Humanoid Reptilians that conspire with the Illuminati controlling the politics and finance of the world..  I have today removed here, unless it can be fully substantiated in a comprehensible form -- SockpuppetSamuelson (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:23, 8 July 2009 (UTC).

Death
It's being reported in forums and Whitley Strieber's site, but not in the news. The Daily Mail gave him an award, but searching its site turns up zilch. Dougweller (talk) 11:31, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Death
Oh it's Dougweller super cyber cop at it again. ...how about I have direct confirmation from Laurence Gardner's wife within two-three hours of his passing...as did his webmaster and a few others around the world. Or do you want us to produce his marraige certificate for you, just to prove that the announcement came from his wife? Doug, again you have taken things too far and shown real insensitivity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.82.160.237 (talk) 17:00, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

 * Why use reason why a personal attack will do? You're almost as bad as the person whose name you wisely removed from here. We've have this funny policy of wanting reliable sources for articles, particularly biographies. We've had our fingers burned before with fake death notices. This is an encyclopedia, no one will get hurt if it takes a few hours or even days to report a subject's death. It's a bit more insensitive to report a live person as being dead, wouldn't you say? We aren't going to take an IP's word for it. If his website has been changed, then you should note that here. Dougweller (talk) 19:26, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Doug is about to get his come-uppance when his last book 'The Origin of God' publishes and blows Kharsag worldwide... ;-) (watches the ticking timebomb) p.s. big respect for sticking to the rules at the same time! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.111.22.245 (talk) 21:25, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

 * Lol. I don't think it will have any more impact than any of his others, he's a niche writer. It may have an impact in his niche, and maybe that's 'worldwide' in one sense, but... And thanks for the compliment. I have taken this to WP:BLPN by the way for other editors to comment on. Dougweller (talk) 07:07, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

 * - Its simple, as Dougweller correctly says,  we need a strong quality report to add such a claim, WP:RS . Please do not add such claims without one.  Thanks Off2riorob (talk) 14:55, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Off2riorob asked for my view. I think that with the statement on his official website by Karen Lyster, and with two posts on sites run by people who knew him, this is confirmed. I'm not sure mainstream press are going to pick up on his passing. Fences  &  Windows  11:45, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Gardner was pseudohistory
What is there to discuss? Has anyone here actually read the works by Laurence Gardner? They will never be seriously entertained by any serious researcher. Take the first two statements in the article - Chevalier Labhran de Saint Germain was a Fake Title and the European Council of Princes never existed. His works certainly do not fall under the category of historical revisionism. Lung salad (talk) 20:47, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * He certainly did not write or lecture on historical revisionism or pseudohistory, He wrote pseudohistory (or 'bogus history'), I can find a cite for that, Damian Thompson's Counterknowledge. Is the 'historical revisionism' bit something we created? Dougweller (talk) 21:17, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Can everyone cool down and keep it non-POV. Garder's ideas may well not have been correct, but the venom displayed here is really something else. I've read a couple of his books, and while most of what he wrote is unsubstantiated by any evidence, and much is highly speculative, there is nevertheless a lot of interesting stuff in there, whether it's true or not. Compare this to Bill Bryson, for example, a fairly well respected and very popular writer who, if anything, does less research and makes more up. Is his page comprised of personal attacks? Obviously not. Save it for a 'criticisms' section. By the way, all this nonsense about "Fake Titles" - as if this matters! Who has the right to give out a title anyway? Who cares? Utterly irrelevant. Yours, Baron Bienfuxia (talk) 15:43, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Cheeseman and Williams, Rebels, Pretenders & Impostors, footnote 20 to Chapter 4 (Dreamers and Hoaxers). Lung salad (talk) 17:20, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * What is this? Are you expecting everyone to go and buy this book to find out? Bienfuxia (talk) 23:51, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

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Laurence Gardner
Obit of Gardner, The Independent, Aug 2010:. "He was born Barry Laurence Gardner in Hackney, London. In 1943". He in fact worked with Dr Whitman Pearson (US), while in Dulverton, UK, formed the Anglo American Lorna Doone Society, and helped commission the LD statue there. Both explored the Doone or Doune name as connected to Scots nobility. His books on LD were authored as Barry Gardner, eg. Lorna Doone's Exmoor, later he used  Laurence as he focused on the Grail bloodline. Bloodline of the Holy Grail is dedicated in memory of Pearson a "fellow pilgrim". Ronblackmore (talk) 18:50, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Stale Google Videos Link should be replaced
Could someone update the video link that is given in the article?

I am watching the original video now re-uploaded to YouTube. I found this by searching YouTube for these keywords... monatomic gold ark covenant secret

and found the video listed about the third or so down the YouTube search results.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLFytyjV7h4 ORMUS | Lost Secrets of the Sacred Ark | Laurence Gardner [FULL 480]

I recalled vaguely that sadly this man had died, so wanted to know more details about this so came to Wikipedia to get the unfortunate details and discovered that this video was linked in its very old form from de funked Google Videos link that should be replaced with its YouTube videos counterpart above. Thanks. Oldspammer (talk) 14:17, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

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Breakout (military)

A breakout is a military operation to end a situation of investment (being surrounded) by offensive operations that achieve a breakthrough—escape from offensive confinement. It is used in contexts such as this: "The British breakout attempt from Normandy". It is one of four possible outcomes of investment, the others being relief, surrender, or reduction.

Overview
A breakout is achieved when an invested force launches an attack on the confining enemy forces and achieves a breakthrough, meaning that they successfully occupy positions beyond the original enemy front line and can advance from that position toward an objective or to reunite with friendly forces from which they were separated.

To be categorized a breakout, an invested force is not necessarily required to be completely encircled by an enemy force. Rather, they may have their movement partially restricted by a terrain feature or potentially the use of an area denial weapon such as the VX nerve agent. That was the case in 1944 in the Saint Lo Breakout in which a large portion of the force's movement was restricted by water and not in fact by enemy positions.

While that may be true of a beachhead, it is not necessarily true of a bridgehead. If the bridge is sufficient in capacity compared to the size of the force and does not significantly restrict its movement, it does not represent a sufficient barrier for the force to be considered encircled. Similarly, open water may not be a barrier in the same right.

Consider a small detachment of marines with more than sufficient amphibious transports and a significant military presence at sea, such as the beginning stages of the Gallipoli Campaign of the First World War. Had they evacuated to sea, they would retain a significant military presence, as they were principally a naval military force. Conversely, consider the military evacuation of British troops at Dunkirk during the Second World War. The force clearly was pressed by the enemy, and it broke out but lost their effective strength as a fighting force. It was, at the base of it, a land force escaping, not an amphibious force maneuvering.

The key feature is the loss of freedom of maneuver. If a force can easily overcome a terrain feature and maintain its fighting strength, it is not breaking out but maneuvering in the same way that any force would over nonrestrictive terrain.

A breakout attempt need not result in a breakthrough, such as the 4th Panzer Army suffered during Operation Winter Storm or the British 1st Armored Division suffered at Campoleone. That is referred to as a failed breakout. A breakout may be attempted in conjunction with relief, which may be essential especially if the invested force has already experienced failed breakout attempts (again, as in Winter Storm).

First World War
As the situation on the Western Front during the First World War has been widely regarded as a single continent-long siege, rather than a series of distinct battles, it is possible to consider offensive action from the Allies as a type of breakout. In that sense, the Allied armies may be considered encircled, albeit on a hitherto-unheard of scale, with the German army to their east, the Alps and the Pyrenees to their south, and the sea to their west and north. Indeed, as the Dunkirk evacuation illustrated, despite having by far the largest navy in the world, those armies' amphibious movements were nearly impossible logistically. Similarly, as is seen at the Battle of Sarikamish, mountainous terrain remained a significant obstacle to military movement and could inflict numerous casualties.

Strategy and tactics
The classic breakout strategy involves the concentration of force at one weak point of the encircling force. In the case of the Battle for North Africa, a variation of the tactic was used by German Field Marshall Erwin Rommel, who secured both his flanks before quickly penetrating into the enemy's rear. During the Second World War, British General Bernard Montgomery also adopted the strategy by attacking the enemy's narrow front.

Breakout maneuvers, despite their own myriad risks, may become necessary by a number of disadvantages encircled forces suffer:

 * They are vulnerable to concentrated artillery fire.
 * They are vulnerable to use of weapons of mass destruction.
 * They, at some point, exhaust their supplies if resupply is not possible by air.
 * They cannot evacuate the dead and the wounded.
 * They are vulnerable to loss of morale and discipline.

The invested force suffers from the disadvantages resulting from occupying a confined space and also from those resulting from a lack of resupply. Therefore, the encircling force has a significant tactical advantage and the advantage of time. It may, in fact, choose to not engage their enemy at all and simply wait it out, leading to eventual exhaustion of ammunition if the invested force gives battle or to the eventual exhaustion of food and water otherwise.

The US Army lists four conditions, one of which normally exists when a force attempts a breakout maneuver:

 * The commander directs the breakout or the breakout falls within the intent of a higher commander.
 * The encircled force does not have sufficient relative combat power to defend itself against enemy forces attempting to reduce the encirclement.
 * The encircled force does not have adequate terrain available to conduct its defense.
 * The encircled force cannot sustain long enough to be relieved by forces outside the encirclement.

Of necessity, the broad concept is subject to interpretation. In The Blitzkrieg Myth, John Mosier questions whether the concept as applied to tank and other warfare in the Second World War was more misleading than helpful to planning, on account of the numerous exceptional conditions faced in war and also whether evaluation based largely on how well breakout or breakthrough potential was realized is appropriate

Examples
An example is the battle of Hube's Pocket on the Eastern Front in the Second World War in which the German First Panzer Army was encircled by Soviet forces but broke out by attacking westward and linking with the II SS Panzer Corps, which was breaking into the encirclement from outside. The breakout effort focused on the west because it was thinly held by the 4th Tank Army. The maneuver was an improvisation after Soviet General Georgy Zhukov concentrated his blocking forces southwards, where the German breakout had been anticipated. The German forces escaped relatively intact.

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Pre Season Challenge Cup
Can people please stop forgetting Victory has won the original Australian Cup (A-League Pre-Season Challenge Cup!!!! Victory won the last one in 2008, and for some reason it is not being properly recognised. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Victoryboy (talk • contribs) 03:21, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

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As it currently stands, the heading for Team of the Decade looks like it supports no text (because the diagram is off to the left & appears unrelated). Could it be moved? ...  CJ [a Kiwi] in    Oz   08:26, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Youth players
I removed youth players Ben Carrigan, Thiel Iradukunda, and Majak Mawith from the first team squad section and was reverted by who said "these players have senior team squad numbers". However I see no evidence of this anywhere. The references of the section (Soccerway squad list and Melb V squad list) don't mention them, while their individual pages on Soccerway (Carrigan, Iradukunda, Mawith) only mention a handful or 2 of caps in the NYL. Where is the evidence they have senior team squad numbers? --SuperJew (talk) 05:22, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Took me about 2 seconds to see that Majak Mawith is No.40 on the Victory website ditto Iradukunda  and Carrigan  ...   CJ [a Kiwi] in    Oz   05:33, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Also Iradukunda was an unused sub in a FFA Cup match with the same number ...   CJ [a Kiwi] in    Oz   06:08, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Yet still they are not on the Melb V senior squad list.
 * And the fact that he was an unused sub in a FFA Cup match against a semi-professional team doesn't mean he's in the senior squad for the season. A) FFA Cup is a pre-season competition for A-League clubs. B) Even if he would've played he wouldn't pass our WP:NFOOTBALL guideline for notability. --SuperJew (talk) 19:23, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

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Brisbane Roar
I heard the club is being renamed to Brisbane Roar because of the fact Gold Coast Galaxy and North Queensland Thunder will also be Queensland Teams. Probably to early to rename article. ronan.evans (talk) 12:43, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It has been announced today that it will happen, but it is still too early for the page move -  the A-League site says Queensland, the qldroar.com.au site says Queensland, wait until it actually happens before moving.  Some people think there is a prize for being the first one to move it. -- Chuq (talk) 02:14, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree - keep in mind I made that comment more than a year ago now! 58.178.16.73 (talk) 03:05, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Renaming takes place from today. Will need help changing player info-boxes and changing Queensland to Brisbane throughout the article... Ck786 (talk) 02:53, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * VAMOS BRISBANE ROAR 200.114.247.207 (talk) 04:35, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Away kit
Anyone know the colours of the away kit? I just had a stab at it, not sure if it's right. --Jimar 13:30, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I think all A-league away strips are white shirts. Not sure about the shorts. AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 09:17, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

They are generally white but having seen a couple of them they all have a little colour in them. I think there may be two away designs shared by the club (4 & 4 is the split). They are in the shops now. --Tancred 00:01, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

Guys, we have them in blue at the moment, but I'm pretty sure they were in white at the weekend. Luther Blissett 05:45, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

All A-League teams away strip are white. The only thing that differentiates them are the club colours on the neck and arms of the shirt.

 * Due to an apparent mix-up (OK whose mum got it wrong?) Qld Roar played an Adelaide away game in white socks and their *home* tops on 20/1/08. Not sure if this is worth a mention in the main article. 1dragon (talk) 12:49, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Player positions

 * Stuart McLaren's position needs to be confirmed. Because he is Josh McCloughlan's replacement he may be a Center Back or Left Back. 144.140.31.5

Stu Mclaren's position is central back. Although he is about to leave the club due to work commitments very shortly.

 * Isn't Jordan Simpson a forward? I've only ever seen him play up front. 144.140.31.5 06:27, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

He was played up front, but his position is defensive midfielder. Another who will probably leave the club shortly.

Reinaldo Elias da Costa
Reinaldo Elias da Costa never played for Corinthians. Actually, he played for another team called Corinthians: Corinthians Alagoano, a club from Alagoas state. Read this link. The link has a brief biography of the player before his move to Queensland. It is Portuguese, unfortunately. I fixed the article. Regards, Carioca 20:30, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Restructuring
Hi all. I've restructured this article, according to the guidelines at WikiProject Football. Please help expand the sections that are empty or lacking in content. Also, please discuss the proposal to merge the article on former players into the 'Noted players' section. Normally, this would only include players who have had a significant impact (e.g. played over 100 games), but with only one season under their belt, most/all former players can be included. Fedgin 20:36, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

 * hey... kinda like the way it is now but what about having a honour board kind of idea where lists exist for the 2005/6 season, the 2006/7 season etc. then the noted players section will grow and a record will be kept of all players. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Veed (talk • contribs) 00:54, 21 January 2007

 * Hi Veed, I like the additions you have made, but could you please provide references for many of the statements? (Even if you know it is true, people who read the article need to be able to easily verify statements made.)
 * Also, can someone verify the details about the supporters groups? I have only really heard of "The Den", which from reading the article appears to be the name of the supporters bay, not the group itself.  Can someone clarify? -- Chuq 22:56, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Club History
Does anyone have any details on the club's history pre-A-League, i.e. original formation, pre-NSL, NSL, Brisbane Premier League etc.? Football in this country did not magically appear with the creation of the A-League, so it would be nice to have some information from the "prehistoric times", before football was cool. Greekfire 11:21, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree, this article is stupid. Queensland roar has been around since 1957 under the names Hollandia, Brisbane Lions and Queensland Lions, why is there no history on the past of club. There is no other football club on wikipedia which has so little on its history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.237.180.38 (talk) 11:11, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Several years later and still nothing? Surely there's some info about the team somewhere. 86.135.127.43 (talk) 16:07, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Surely the Roar is not as old as perported. It was a new club when formed, it was never the Queensland Lions playing at a higher level as it was only an ownership investment unlike Perth and Adelaide who have not changed at all since NSL days. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.176.105.147 (talk) 08:58, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

 * Technically the club were founded in 1957, though they became owned by the QLD Lions and had their name changed for the purpose of the new league to not clash with the owning club. Once Oudendyk left, they became their separate club when they dropped all relations with the Lions. Protenpinner (talk) 14:47, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Crowd comparisons
Should we indicate how many home matches were played by each Brisbane team? For example, I’m sure the Queensland Reds didn’t play as many home games as Queensland Roar. --Executive.koala 11:59, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Official kits
http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/78980,stripped-exclusive-pictures-of-new-aleague-strips.aspx

Official kits for A-League 2007-08. Please do not revert The Frederick 15:48, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Updated with a reference --Squilibob 10:31, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Nationalities
Stuart McLaren is Scottish and Hyuk Su-Seo is South Korean but both are shown in the players list with Australian flags alongside their names. Anyone know how to change this? Awotam 12:27, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

 * McLaren has Australian citizenship and Seo will be naturalised soon, making both players Australian in the eyes of the A-league, hence their Australian flags. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.165.153.194 (talk • contribs).

 * That is correct and besides, Queensland would be breaking the 4 foreign player rule otherwise. --Squilibob 10:31, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

In regards to Sergio van Dijk, I request that his nationality stop being changed. The nationality flag, at least with my understanding, represents the nation FIFA recognizes the player as being eligible to represent. While yes Sergio does have Indonesian heritage I have read that he is ineligible to represent Indonesia because of residency issues. Could someone please help me confirm this as I believe he should only have a Netherlands nationality flag attached to his name.Trent McCrow (talk) 03:25, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

History
Is there a demand for a history of the club page as there is alot of history stuff, alot of figures, previous season positions, stats, etc. Think it is definitely worth looking into. Alexsanderson83 (talk) 06:48, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Good idea. Portillo (talk) 10:29, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Notable Former Players
Towards the end of last year someone deleted the Notable Former Players section due to it not having a clear induction policy. I have remade it, deleteing some of the players that were on there, who in my eyes were not notable. I have also cleaned it up, and made it more presentable then what it was last time. Nath1991 (talk) 23:30, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Seperate Records and Statistics page
Most of the A-league team articles are made up of mostly statistics and records. I'd like to propose that a seperate page be crated to keep track of these things and have a sumerisiong paragraph that links to the main records article.Trent McCrow (talk) 23:51, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Good idea. Portillo (talk) 10:24, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

 * definitely should happen. way too much statistics stuff on here which could go on a new article. i'll tag the article for splitting. — Limabeans 23:03, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

 * When the link's are posted, even if they're posted here, I'll edit the stuff in as I have all the stats on my computer so it won't take much time to fix. — Protenpinner 17:58, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Agree. Is anyone working on this??? It's been 8 months since it was suggested and two months since it was tagged... Ck786 (talk) 21:32, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll be doing it within the next couple of days. As I let you know, I'm a bit busy with a few other things (staffing the Roar forum among other things) but it should be up by the end of the week (Friday) Protenpinner (talk) 12:35, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

 * I've made the page (Brisbane Roar FC records and statistics). I've left the other records bit on the page as I feel it should be left there. I've only moved the other bits over to the page like the head to head, awards and what not. As you can see via the Victory's page (Melbourne Victory & Melbourne Victory records and statistics), the edits I've made are pretty much identical. Please let me know of any changes. I'll be adding in the player records bit once I add up a bit on the info I have. Protenpinner (talk) 12:45, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Flags
On the 2011-12 season page under fixtures i've noticed that there are country flags on each of the teams as opposed to the team coulours as used previously. I've just loaded the fixtures onto the Wellington Phoenix page but haven't included the flags as i'm not sure which ones to use. Can anybody clear this up? Thanks in advance Pereirab04 (talk) 01:49, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

 * With the A-League being comprised off teams from Australia and one from New Zealand, a lot of people prefer to use the flags of the country in which the team are based. Hope that helps. Protenpinner (talk) 08:21, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

 * Great help! Thanks, i'll update this today! Pereirab04 (talk) 02:01, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Cross-code record for unbeaten streak
There is a clear need to define precisely what leagues and/or sports are included in the otherwise vague 35-match record for an unbeaten streak in "any Australian code". It is known (for example) that this record includes the VFL/AFL history, but excludes the SANFL, WAFL, etc., which have at times in their history been roughly equal in standard to the VFL; likewise the BRL as compared with the NSWRL/ARL/NRL. Are national soccer league predecessors to the A-League included? Is it just team sports? Aspirex (talk) 08:50, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

It is just team sports as the streak defines "unbeaten streak for an Australian club". National Soccer League streaks are included, hence the 27 game unbeaten streak by APIA Leichardt being included, which did the rounds in the media when the team surpassed it. All top level codes in Rugby League and AFL are included. Protenpinner (talk) 19:55, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

 * The only source I have found which spells out this record in specific detail is the FFA page, which mentions only the VFL/AFL, NRL & predecessors, NSL/A-L and Super Rugby. I have not seen any source that specifically claims any sport outside of football, nor any other leagues included. As I said before, there is a clear need to define exactly which leagues are included in the record, and to make this explicit within the article, within a footnote like the one you removed; otherwise, it is a non-encyclopedically vague statement. Aspirex (talk) 07:02, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

 * Are you able to post the link? I'm not sure where it is on the FFA site. Don't get me wrong though, I agree there should be something to define which leagues and clubs are taken into account in regards to the streak, I just feel it should be fully figured out before it is put up permanently. Protenpinner (talk) 12:15, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

 * This is the link: http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/news-display/brisbane-ready-for-phoenix-battle/42441 .Aspirex (talk) 10:04, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Melbourne Victory rivalry.
Hello i was wandering if i could have the consent to adding Melbourne victory as a rival not only were melbourne the only team not to lose to roar while they were on there unbeaten streak they were also the only team to beat the roar in the 2010-11 season.Ange signing with MV will no doubt add to this and there will be big crowds for the games next season. I no as a personal fact the two sets of fans hate each other.

Something like this, Feel free to edit.

 * Melbourne Victory - Melbourne Victory were the only team to beat Brisbane during the 2010-11 season, When Brisbane Roar were undefeated on there 36 game winning streak during the 2010-11 and 2011-12 seasons, The only team they had not defeated were the Victory most notably Victory had hanged on for 2-2 draw with nine men. On 17 April 2012 Former Brisbane Roar head coach Ange Postecoglou signed with Melbourne Victory. Aussie4ever4 (talk) 18:56, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Although a good idea, there isn't much there to begin with. I can see where you're coming from but the being the only team to beat the Roar in the streak and 11/12 season doesn't make a rivalry, neither does one coach defecting from one club to the other. The fans can hate each other, and it's a known fact they do for a number of reasons, but that's really the only rivalry. A rivalry isn't created from the stands. Protenpinner (talk) 09:55, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Hmm i would say a rivalry is a mix of things with the fans being the key but ok we'll see how it goes next season and thank you for replying. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.221.225.80 (talk) 11:14, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Changes from "Socceroos" to "Australia national association football team"
In this and several other articles Macktheknifeau has unilaterally changed the word "Socceroos" to "Australia national association football team". (Sometimes with the word "player" tacked on for sanity, but hardly for clarity and simplicity.) I see these changes as pointy, confrontational, and not in line with the agreed naming of Soccer in Australia There is a centralised discussion on this matter underway at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Football in Australia). HiLo48 (talk) 22:52, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Jamie Young
Why is Jamie Young down as English in the squad section? He moved to England from Australia when he was 16/17, which makes him an Australian first, surely? Not sure why he's got "English football players" cat on his player page either to be honest - I suppose he might have citizenship. HornetMike (talk) 17:24, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't doubt that he does have Australian citizenship, too. It's because he played for the England Youth International teams that this is his nationality shown. Brazilian players who gain Spanish citizenship are still shown as Brazilian. I think until he plays for Australia, it's safe to call him English. - J man708 (talk) 03:03, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

What does the F in FC stand for?
I'm confused. Is this a Football Club or a Soccer Club? --Pete (talk) 17:47, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The text says Brisbane Roar FC is a professional soccer club but the part soccer is misleading. It should be football not soccer. They identify themselves as a FC obviously. It is even in their logo FC. QuackGuru  ( talk ) 22:51, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
 * In North America we call the sport in which you kick a ball into a net 'soccer', but the rest of the world calls this sport 'football'. In North America we use the term 'football' to describe the 'grid-iron' sport where the ball is carried across a goal, but only North America plays it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.181.201.237 (talk) 03:43, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

The wording "association football" is accurate. Their name is "Brisbane Roar Football Club". That shows they identify themselves as a football club. QuackGuru ( talk ) 04:09, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

 * This has been discussed at length ad nauseum before. see WP:Naming conventions (Football in Australia) and the extensive talk page discussions, particularity the March 2014 RFC - Nick Thorne  talk  05:49, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
 * It should be pointed out that although it has been discussed ad nauseum, the discussion recurs every few years. In previous years the association football or football (soccer) wording has been the standard.  It all depends on which group of editors gives in soonest.  Personally I've grown tired of spending considerable time getting it corrected only for it to be reverted back later when I'm not paying as much attention to the project. -- Chuq (talk) 06:14, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

 * User:Nick Thorne, I have seen RfC closing many times where the closer ignores the comments made by other editors. The wording should be association football or possibly association football (soccer). QuackGuru  ( talk ) 17:48, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
 * The fact that there was a dispute - a very heated dispute, with editors being pulled out through one tactic or another, generally because they grew too heated - makes any technical solution problematic. We now have the most dogged defender of the deprecated (at least out in the real world of sweaty bodies and balls) term "soccer" publicly announcing that he has withdrawn from the fray, and I suggest that if we hold another RfC it will go a different way. --Pete (talk) 19:33, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

The first change in this sequence was this edit by 220.239.167.26 which was to replace the word "soccer" with "Association Football". I reverted this and since then two other editors have ignored the BRD cycle and are seeking to impose their POV in opposition to the currently established consensus which was arrived at via RFC as mentioned above. Until and unless that consensus has been changed - and this is not the place to do that - I will continue to insist that the current consensus be respected. We surely do not wish to return to the anarchy and bitter acrimonious fighting that disrupted this topic area before the RFC. - Nick Thorne  talk
 * Given that the most bitter and acrimonious participant has apparently departed, I don't think we'll get to that point. We're reasonable people. We can take turns. --Pete (talk) 05:29, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Full name = Brisbane Roar Football Club. Aren't they still a "football club"? QuackGuru  ( talk ) 01:16, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Using that logic, then football must mean Aussie Rules. See Essendon Football Club and Collingwood Football Club. - Nick Thorne  talk  02:38, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I think the text should be sourced according to WP:V. The previous RfC did not address unsourced text. Now the text is sourced. QuackGuru  ( talk ) 02:48, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Are you seriously suggesting that every word needs to be from a source? I think not, that would be plagiarism. Of course as I said in my previous post using your own logic, with sources, that "football" means Aussie rules. Do you really want to go there? - Nick Thorne  talk  03:57, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * There is a requirement for the text to be sourced. QuackGuru  ( talk ) 03:52, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Please point me to the policy that says every word needs to be sourced. - Nick Thorne  talk  03:57, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * WP:V. We don't quote every word verbatim, but we do need to source all our material. The best sources we have for this article say it's a Football club. --Pete (talk) 05:37, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

RfC: What does the F in Brisbane Roar FC stand for?
Should we call Brisbane Roar Football Club:
 * 1) a Football club,
 * 2) an Association Football club, or
 * 3) a soccer club?  --Pete (talk) 05:37, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Well, soccer starts with an s and not an f so it definitely doesn't stand for soccer. Simione001 (talk) 05:52, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

I've kept away from this conversation for a few months now, mainly because I think a decision has been made on Naming conventions (Football in Australia) and there is no real reason to contest it other than because I don't agree with it. I've said everything I could or needed to say on the subject, but I still have the opinion that the sport should be refereed to as 'association football' on Australian wiki articles. If there is a swell of opinion toward change then I will support it, but otherwise I don't think we should be edit waring on sing articles. We should respect the process taken place even if we don't agree with it.--2nyte (talk) 05:58, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * That process was so rancorous, and so many interested editors were unable to participate, that there was nothing like a consensus. With the departure of the most dogged and problematic campaigner, we may resume polite discussion, and here is as good a place to begin, starting with the question just raised about sourcing our text, something understood to be a fundamental pillar of Wikipedia. --Pete (talk) 06:04, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Whilst 2nyte and I sit on opposite sides on the substantive question here, I agree that this is not the place to be discussing it. Naming conventions (Football in Australia) still applies. Whether individual editors like it or not, that is what the current state of play is. The decision was arrived at after a long period of discussion and IMHO it is way too soon to be revisiting this issue. Time to abide by the referee's decision. For what it's worth, I believe that this proposed RFC should be shut down as an abuse of process. Oh, and just because an editor has chosen to not participate for whatever reason, does not exempt you from NPA, be vary careful, do not comment on other editors. -  Nick Thorne  talk  06:12, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * If we are talking personal opinions, i disagree with you, Nick, most respectfully. You are entitled to your opinion, and I to mine. I think the point made about verifiability is a pertinent one, and I'm interested in your comments on this point. --Pete (talk) 06:47, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * This is beyond ridiculous. Are you seriously suggesting that the word soccer is not used to refer to this sport in this country?  Sources supporting that have been supplied in the appropriate forum, which is not here.  Here we should abide by the rules which include following the agreed consensus on the relevant naming convention.  Don't pretend you don't know about those, you have already commented on them.  The whole point of having a convention is precisely so that we dont have to go through the same process article by article till we are all blue in the face.  Trying to overcome the established consensus by attacking it piece-meal on individual articles is disruptive.  Cease and desist. -  Nick Thorne  talk  06:58, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * With all due respect, Nick, the best sources we have for this football club don't say that it is a soccer club. If we say it is a soccer club, and we don't have a source for it, but rather some sort of chain of logic, then that is WP:SYNTHESIS. I refer you to the club's home page and that of Football Federation Australia. "Soccer" is not a word used in either place to describe the club. We need a source, and we need a source external to Wikipedia. Do you have a source that we can use to support our text? --Pete (talk) 08:46, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Irrelevant nonsense. This issue is exactly what the naming convention is for. Get over it. -  Nick Thorne  talk  09:39, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * In other words, you don't have a source for the statement. Fair enough. Any other views? --Pete (talk) 14:05, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Not at all. I just refuse to dance to your tune.  This talk page is not the correct forum to be discussing this issue.  The decision to use the word soccer in the Australian context was (correctly) made elsewhere.  That decision still applies. -  Nick Thorne  talk  00:39, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

I would call the Brisbane Roar Football Club an association football club or simply football club. A possible compromise can be an association football (soccer) club or a football (soccer) club but we need a source that says it is also a "soccer" club. QuackGuru ( talk ) 19:02, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree completely with what you are trying to say QuackGuru, but I think you're going about it the wrong way. This evidence would be better used as a part of trying to change the Naming conventions (Football in Australia) policy... but good luck with that.  Consensus has been settled on association football in the past but if you aren't careful it will changed back again when you aren't paying attention - which is why I haven't bothered. -- Chuq (talk) 21:21, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Not for a second do I agree that association football should be referred to as 'soccer', but as has been said above, you are going about it the wrong way. I think this is ridiculous - for every source you find saying Brisbane Roar is a "football club" you'll find one say it's a "soccer club". Like it or not, in an Austrlian context the word 'soccer' or 'football' is acceptable to refer to association football. However, may I remind you that a rose by any other name would smell as sweet. The change not to use 'soccer' on Australian wiki articles is a valid one but this is not the way and here is not the place to do so.--2nyte (talk) 23:59, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

 * Comment. I was vaguely aware of the previous RfC (and other discussions) on the football/soccer terminology debate, but had no desire to participate in them. Without actually reading any of the points made in the previous RfC, I see that it ran to a grand total of 14,000 words, so I imagine every possible argument has been presented. There aren't generally many circumstances where a closed RfC can or should be resurrected after less than two months, and I don't think this is one of them – consensus isn't going to change in that amount of time, so I think this RfC is at best pointless and at worst disruptive.  IgnorantArmies  (talk)  08:44, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Additional comment - 14,000 words, plus however many in the two threads here now, plus however much time in reverting and re-reverting those who dare change the phrasing! Imagine how much better australian football / spccer articles would be if all the editors involved had used that time and all those words to improve and expand existing articles or create new one. It's this sort of pointless bickering that means I no longer bother to edit any articles relating to Australian football / soccer. Fenix down (talk) 13:44, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
 * User:IgnorantArmies, I'm not seeing this recentlyclosed RfC you mention. Could you post a link to it, please? --Pete (talk) 18:41, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Looking at the various responses, I'm seeing advice to move this to a more appropriate forum. Nick, I've read your comments carefully, I'm seeing a desire to evade any further discussion because you're happy with the status quo, because it's your favoured position. I'm seeing others saying we have a better place for it, and I'm seeing others weary of the discussion. I think, that with the apparent departure of one of the most dogged campaigners, further discussion would be more focussed on the issue and not on personalities. This isn't an issue that's going to go away. Because it hasn't, and the reason for that is that there hasn't been any real consensus. I think that this discussion should be continued at a higher level. Comments? --Pete (talk) 18:41, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
 * There was a very strong consensus in August 2013 to use soccer for the 'Soccer in Australia' article and consensus in March 2014 to standardise to soccer.Spinrad (talk) 20:33, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't call either result consensus, and certainly not "very strong". Counting noses, perhaps. The noses have changed now. And the "soccer" tide continues to recede, looking at media usage. --Pete (talk) 20:38, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
 * "Consensus: a general agreement"Spinrad (talk) 20:57, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Exactly. I certainly wasn't seeing that in the discussions mentioned! --Pete (talk) 21:16, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Pete, don't you dare to presume to know what my desire are. Whatever they may be is entirely irrelevant to this discussion and from where I sit your words come across as a subtle ad-hominem.  Please refrain from commenting on editors and instead confine your comments to content issues.  As for the subject of this RFC, as I have said before more than once, this is not the correct time nor place for such a discussion. -  Nick Thorne  talk  04:37, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Nick! My perception of your motives may, of course, be different from yours. That's fine. Just letting you know that I haven't been ignoring your contributions. If you read mine, you'd have seen I'm intending to move this to a different page. Giving a bit of time to let others contribute before closing off. --Pete (talk) 10:21, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

It appears editors are having a difficult time following V policy. Following the source should matter. What is the argument for keeping unsourced text? QuackGuru ( talk ) 00:28, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
 * For every reliable source saying Brisbane Roar is a 'football' club, you can find one saying it is a 'soccer' club. Without doubt, both terms are commonly used in Australian. As has been said above, you don't need to cite that the sky is blue.--2nyte (talk) 00:48, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
 * You don't need to cite that the sky is blue is not applicable when we do have a source for the claim football club rather than soccer club. QuackGuru  ( talk ) 01:38, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Just to clarify, official names of organisations are not affected by the current naming conventions. No-one suggests that BR's full name is anything other than Brisbane Roar Football Club, just as we don't call other organisations Football (soccer) Federation Australia or Australian Australian rules football League. -- Chuq (talk) 04:09, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. Soccer? Nope. Football would be what I would vote for, but a lot of people will kick up a stink about ambiguity issues. Association football is the best compromise. Perhaps "wogball"?
 * In all seriousness, imagine someone referring to Johnny Warren as "Mister Soccer". It's pretty offensive. Yes, back in the NSL days, he was known as Captain Socceroo, but I think the tide has certainly changed. The national body calls itself football, betting websites differentiate the two as "football" and "Australian rules".
 * I think surely if Wikipedia can call Adelaide Crows an "Australian rules football club", then a team like Adelaide United should surely be called an "Association football club" at very least. - J man708 (talk) 03:38, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

 * Comment. Summoned here by bot. I think that it should be categorized as either a football club or a football association club.  Best,  Comatmebro  ~Come at me~ 00:11, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Breaking news
See. QuackGuru  ( talk ) 01:38, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
 * This is a great example of the sort of problem we have... even each media outlet can't be self-consistent.  -- Chuq (talk) 04:33, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

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Spliting discussion for List of Brisbane Roar FC players
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Demise of the Roar
From Suncorp to Redcliffe. Train on tje Gold Coast, play in Redcliffe. From Berisha to Lescano. From Broich to ???. So dismal i cant enjoy to even watch on TV...i mean paramount. Shambles. 139.216.214.237 (talk) 11:13, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

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