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Talk:Gawain

July 2005
68.50.147.190 has an clear pro-Gawain, anti-Lancelot bias, as seen in his edits here and on the Lancelot. This is awesome, considering they are fictional characters, but his edits are little POV. I kept some of them but reverted the rest.--Cuchullain 00:48, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

Good many of the articles around here are too opinion based (look at the Disney page guy thought he was being funny or something). Any ways its nice that someone is cleaning it all up.

Leon Evelake 03:05, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Gawain's strength
The article says this of Gawain: "His strength waxes and wanes with the sun; his might triples by noon, but fades as the sun sets." I changed it to "In some works, his strength waxes and wanes with the sun; in the most common form of this motif, his might triples by noon, but fades as the sun sets."

What the article originally said is true--often. But not always. First, the question of his changing strength is not even mentioned in a great many texts that feature him. Moreover, there are conflicting versions of this motif; the French Vulgate Cycle offers several versions: in some his strength increases until noon and wanes thereafter (as indicated in the article), but in other places it is the opposite: weaker until noon and stronger thereafter. Thus, “his strength always ebbed at the hour of noon, and as soon as noon had passed, it came back doubled, and he regained courage and confidence and strength.” And in one case it increases until just noon, when it suddenly reverts to the original state and remains that way for the rest of the day.

Of course, not all such variants need to be spelled out in the article; I could be picking nits. So my changes are minor: just a few words added in the interest of accuracy.Njl2 16:36, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

 * Your edits are minor, but they make the sentence more correct. Clearly not all works include the strength thing, and some include some variation on the idea of his strength being tied to the sun. Good catch.--Cúchullain t/ c 19:47, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Somewhat amusingly, in T. H. White's "The Once and Furutre King, Bors theorizes that Gawaine's nane "up north" would be pronounced "Cúchullain." Thought you might want to know that.... 70.114.146.227 (talk) 17:22, 13 March 2014 (UTC) Eric
 * Thanks, 70.114.146.227 - that's definitely one of the great modern portrayals of Gawaine.--Cúchullain t/ c 17:26, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Gwalchmai of Gododdin
There was a historical Gwalchmai son of Lot, both of which were kings of Lothian, then called Gododdin. Check this site. ---G.T.N. (talk) 23:30, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Irish Origins / Celtic Origins

I think this entire segment needs to be re-written, as first it implies The Welsh are not Celtic then implies Celtic = Irish. Celtic encompasses a lot more than just Ireland. The segment then proceeds to give examples of Celtic influence to show why it could be of Irish origins but the majority of examples given are common amongst all Celtic myth, not just Irish myth. Irish = Celtic but Celtic <> Irish! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amaginon (talk • contribs) 13:06, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Volcumagios
Noted Celticist John Koch has suggested the name could be derived from a Brythonic original *Wolcos Magesos, "Wolf/Errant Warrior of the Plain" but consider the possibility of the name being derived from *Volcumagios, the 'great one of the wolves,' 'the great one of the errant warriors' which, had it have existed, would likewise have rendered the form Gwalchmai in Middle Welsh by the regular phonological developments in Celtic.
 * A second element *-magios would have produce early Old Welsh *-mai (later -vai), Middle/Modern Welsh *-fae (compare MnW cae "hedge" from *cagios. See Peter Schrijver, Studies in British Celtic Historical Phonology, Rodopi, 1995) .Cagwinn (talk) 22:17, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Historia Regum Britanniae
Cagwinn is quite right, Lancelot is not mentioned in the Historia. In a sentence about what the Historia says about Gawain, it is irrelevant that other, different sources mention Lancelot. Let's let this be the end of it.Cúchullain t/ c 00:27, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you - I was beginning to lose all faith in Wikipedia! Lancelot first appeared in the works of Chretien de Troyes, which were written several decades after Geoffrey's Historia Regum Britanniae (written c. 1136); he is first found in Chretien's tale Erec et Enide, written c. 1170. Cagwinn (talk) 01:18, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, the phrase specified is specifically summarising Historia, it doesn't have to mention how other sources describe Gawain's fdeath and the way it was written it misrepresented the text of Historia. Other stories about his death can be summarised in the parts treating those sources specifically. Also I am a little worried that some editors may not appreciate that Gawain is a legendary figure and there is no way to ascribe greater or weaker truth to any of the sources. ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 19:40, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Reliable sources
I have already told User:Cagwinn how there are many theories to how Gawain died and the user just deleted a theory and believe it is the actual own theory. There is  nothing "idiotic"(as User:Cagwinn talks about being idiotic) how Gawain died and it is a reliable source from Howard Pyle's translation from Geoffrey Chaucer, and there should not be any edit warring.--GoShow (...............) 18:32, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Howard Pyle adapted and illustrated Arthurian legends for young readers—a fine and wonderful pursuit, but not a scholarly source. You need to be using secondary sources that interpret the evidence for you. Please review WP:PRIMARY and WP:SCHOLARSHIP. Cynwolfe (talk) 19:31, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

 * Well, this IS idiotic! The passage in question is discussing Gawain in the Historia Regum Britanniae - not other, later texts! Some foolish people keep trying to insert Lancelot's name here, when the character of Lancelot does not appear in Arthurian literature until decades later! Cagwinn (talk) 19:34, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I will refrain from using the otherwise apt description of the inserted sentence and simply notice that Cagwinn is right. The sentence is about Historia Regnum Brittaniae, and the way the sentence was written it made it look as if there was disagreement about what this text particular says, which to my knowledge there isn't.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 19:42, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

The phrase appears to have no apparent source and looks like WP:OR. "although, some sources claim ...", seems like a WP:WEASEL to justify inserting a fringe viewpoint. GoShow, editors are expected to reach consensus on the talk page when inserting new content and not edit war for its inclusion, see WP:BRD. IRWolfie- (talk) 19:56, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Regarding the content point, Cagwinn is of course right, and GoShow wrong. However, when I saw GoShow's post at the RS noticeboard and dropped a friendly reminder that he review the relevant guidelines, Cagwinn deleted my comment, which WP:TPO explicitly advises against. That and the incivility in edit summaries aren't helpful in a collaborative environment—though again I would emphasize that Cagwinn is entirely right on the content point, and GoShow doesn't show a command of RS for this topic and needs to stop editing until he does. Cynwolfe (talk) 20:27, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

 * True, however, there are different points to his death before the regnum, some might say he vanished with Arthur to Avalon, but, it is not to assume other edits as idiotic, until then Cagwinn should not step into some users who believ it was from earlier sources, let us say we let this one go, however if you do let this one go,there is a source showing it was from Lancelot, however in any case all users must respect sources from earlier documents, or there is not anything "idiotic" as some user's naive opininated fact maybe. Thank you, Cynwolfe--GoShow (...............) 20:32, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

 * Um … surely you don't want to thank me. I think Cagwinn is right. And you, GoShow, are the one who's edit warring, because you keep restoring the same thing without proper sourcing. In my view, Cagwinn is in compliance with the guideline that Reverting to enforce certain overriding policies is not considered edit warring. Your edits fail the "overriding policy" of verification. Cynwolfe (talk) 20:45, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

 * I am not trying to edit war, it was trying to adjust the sources, I kept the user's bargain, but was not in any circumstance edit warring, as you may have seen trying to quotation mark the book. If Cagwinn wasn't in a furious mood, the user may have tried to address the user about the sources and come to a conclusion, without tolerable acts on edit warring, as I came to address enough is enough. --GoShow (...............) 20:53, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

 * GoShow, you need to stop. Multiple users have explained why that edit is problematic. What other works say is irrelevant to a passage on the Historia.Cúchullain t/ c

 * Excuse me, I have the right to speak on this talk page, you dare not tell me to stop, every user has the right to voice their opinion and express their facts. It's even more more problematic how Cagwinn didn't delete the rest of Howard Pyle's sources in the article, it was offically, used by an administrator, thus it was used for WP:IRS, and WP:Notability, otherwise both Cagwinn's and Howard Pyle's source translated from Geoffrey Chaucer would be both WP:BOLLOCKS, since both are fictional, thus it is a fictional, character, read more on the Matter of Britain, don't ever tell me to stop, because I was in the middle of just making a suggestion and pointing out the problematic situations, you haven't even edited on.--GoShow (...............) 04:55, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Talk about overreactions! Can't you chill out? I mean, if you are having to resort to complaining to several users about perfectly reasonable edits to the Gawain article, are posting a screed on |the Wikipedia Reliable Sources Noticeboard, are posting on |Jimmy Wales' talk page to ask people how Gawain died, and are referencing Geoffrey Chaucer, you probablt shouldn't be editing any Arthurian articles until you have conducted a little more research on the subject. Just saying. Cagwinn (talk) 14:09, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

I have restored Cynwolfe's comment which Cagwinn evidently removed accidentally. It's abundantly clear that inserting material that doesn't occur in HRM into a passage about the HRM is not workable. This whole discussion brings up a good point, that Pyle appears to be seriously misused here. I wrote the majority of this article long ago, back when footnotes were still optional on Wikipedia, and didn't include them; in the meantime GoShow has inserted citations to Pyle's book in various places where they don't verify what is said in the text. They all need to be removed and replaced with superior sources.Cúchullain t/ c 18:51, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem. I have enormous respect for Cagwinn, and I often chafe against the courtly etiquette required on talk pages, having once seen an exceptionally erudite editor blocked for pointing out the need for another to seek remedial education, which I myself regarded as a mere statement of fact. Nor am I unaware that I can be tiresome, but I didn't quite think I'd reached the level of deserving expungement. On some occasions, regrettably rare, new editors have benefitted from having policies pointed out to them, because they really didn't know what was required. Such editors, however, are usually quick to see where they've gone wrong. (About footnotes: I see this often in some fairly fundamental articles within the scope of Classical Greece & Rome, because they were written so early in the history of Wikipedia. The omission can allow POV editors or habitual deletionists to remove vast swathes of content that anyone who actually knows the subject would regard as "common knowledge" even in the restricted WP sense. So you have my sympathies.) Cynwolfe (talk) 22:55, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I too have a huge respect for Cagwinn and understand the frustration, but this never should have gotten to the point of inadvertently antagonizing a good editor who agrees with him. At this point I hope all this energy can be channeled into improving the article.--Cúchullain t/ c 13:38, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

 * Like I said, I shared the user's bargain, thus, there is alot of (fake)sense of deleting a source which was one is still already in the article since June, while deleting one source, than the other(which was the same source) source comes from the same author from Howard Pyle's version. However, in any case the sources from Howard Pyle comes into a translation from Geoffrey's sources, not overreaction, once again, just stating facts, about equality, not just whose information is more accurate than, later traditions, for a false warrior, any WP:IRS is, of course, common knowledge, such as Geoffrey's, thus, if the user was intelligent enough to know there are a few sources from Howard Pyle's book in this article, in any case the user did not delete, it is no wonder why Wikipedia, sometimes is not successful in it's publishing, just because of someone believe someone else's other sources, are "idiotic" (from Cagwinn), and deleting the one source, although, forgetting to delete the other same WP:IRS sources at the bottom of some paragraphs. Just a note --GoShow (...............) 03:21, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I literally can't understand a word of that. If what you're getting at is that the other citations to Pyle's book should also be removed, I've now done so, as they don't verify any of the material they're attached to.--Cúchullain t/ c 13:38, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

 * Cúchullain stop baggering other users, GoShow is correct some of you user don't have the time to respect other user's sources, and thus this website is a failure for it's purposes.--74.34.83.111 (talk) 18:38, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Are you seriously trying to claim you're not GoShow? Please understand Wikipedia's policy on sockpuppet accounts, which prohibit using such accounts to create an illusion of support.--Cúchullain t/ c 18:59, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Look at their respective contributions pages - they are editing some of the same articles - clearly we have a sockpuppet! Cagwinn (talk) 15:23, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

 * We both live near the same district, but thirty miles apart, so stop think it is whatever you call it sockpuppetry!--Mr.AwesomeMrAwesomeMrAwesome (talk) 21:01, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Don't try to think you have the last talk I do live in the midwest but I do not know who Goshow is, but I do know you are making a fool of yourself by edit warring comments on this talk page, from your contributions, you have always deleted reliable sources from other users. I am relatively new here, but different IP address, but I am interested in mythology.--Mr.AwesomeMrAwesomeMrAwesome (talk) 15:00, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Gawain and Robin Hood influence
Could their be some kind of similarity between the two, I know Geoffrey took some of the ideas of Arthur and Knights of the Round Table used ideas from the Magna Carta to use as a basis for a better society for England, some of the writings in the Magna Carta:

"....Custos autem, quamdiu custodiam terre habuerit, sustentet domos, parcos, vivaria, stagna, molendina, et cetera ad terram illam pertinencia, de exitibus terre ejusdem; et reddat heredi cum ad plenam etatem pervenerit, terram suam totam instauratam de carucis et waynagiis, secundum quod tempus waynagii exiget et exitus terre racionabiliter poterunt sustinere.

Heredes maritentur absque disparagacione, ita tamen quod, antequam contrahatur matrimonium, ostendatur propinquis de consanguinitate ipsius heredis.

Vidua post mortem mariti sui statim et sine difficultate habeat maritagium et hereditatem suam, nec aliquid det pro dote sua, vel pro maritagio suo, vel hereditate sua, quam hereditatem maritus suus et ipsa tenuerint die obitus ipsius mariti, et maneat in domo mariti sul per quadraginta dies post mortem ipsius, infra quos assignetur ei dos sua.

Nulla vidua distringatur ad se maritandum, dum voluerit vivere sine marito, ita tamen quod securitatem faciat quod se non maritabit sine assensu nostro, si de nobis tenuerit, vel sine assensu domini sui de quo tenuerit, si de alio tenuerit. ''"

In English:

"....caught from the land of an heir who is under age, shall not take from the land of the heir nothing but reasonable produce, reasonable customs, and reasonable services, and that without destruction and waste of men or of things, and if we have committed the wardship of any such land to a sheriff, or to any other who is is responsible to us for its revenues, and he has done of prison, or the destruction of waste, we take of him amends, and the land shall be committed to two lawful and discreet men of that fief, who responsible for the issues to us or to him to whom we have assigned them, and if we give or sell to anyone the the wardship of any such land, and he has therein made destruction or waste, he shall lose that wardship, and it shall be transferred to two lawful and discreet men of that fief, who shall be answerable to us in like manner as is aforesaid.

But he that keepeth, so long as the custody of land, he shall maintain the houses, parks, preserves, ponds, mills, and other things that belong to that land, from the revenues of the same land, and restore to the heir to the full when he comes of age, to have been rebuilt to their own land with plows and the whole of husbandry, according to the that the season of husbandry requires and the revenues of the land can reasonably bear.

Heirs shall be married without disparagement, yet so that before the marriage is contracted those nearest in blood to the heir.

Widow, after the death of her husband, shall forthwith and without difficulty have her marriage portion and inheritance; pay nothing for her dower, or her marriage portion, or of his inheritance, the inheritance which her husband and the same is held on the day of the death of her husband, and let him abide in the house of her husband for forty days after his death, within which time her dower shall be assigned to.

No widow shall be forced to marry, long as she wishes to live without a husband, in such a way, however, must give security that she will not marry without our consent, if she holds of us, or without the consent of the owner of which has kept it, if she holds of another."

It kind of reminds me of the characteristics of Gawain for use of a true hero and a need of good quality and peace in the land. Robin Hood has many characteristics with Gawain as well, defender of the poor, and rightful Baron of his lands which were stripped from his own title, after coming through the crusades, and both gained allies in order to subdue tyrants, sounds familiar.--74.34.86.196 (talk) 15:12, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

 * Geoffrey of Monmouth released the Historia Regum Britanniae c. 1136; The Magna Carta was issued in 1215. Cagwinn (talk) 18:27, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Trivia
The pop culture trivia section is unnecessary and detracts from the article. It is just a random list of pop culture depictions of the character without any sources of any kind. Per Wikipedia policy, the burden of evidence is on the editor adding or restoring the challenged material to defend it. In reverting the material back in (twice), Mediatech492 claimed that "this is normal for character articles of this type". That's simply not true; as per WP:TRIVIA, trivia sections are deprecated and have been for years, especially when they're just bulleted lists of random pop culture ephemera. If you can find an appropriate way to incorporated cited, noteworthy depictions of Gawain in prose, please do, but the current presentation is inappropriate.Cúchullain t/ c 23:13, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * At the risk of repeating my self yet again: If you check other articles on fictional characters you will similar sections in almost every one. These references are not "trivial" they serve to show where and how the character has been depicted in various media and are therefore very relevant. Mediatech492 (talk) 23:55, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Repeating yourself? As far as I can tell you haven't brought this to discussion before, though the burden of evidence is on you to defend material you add or restore. Can you respond to the policy and style points I've brought up - specifically that this is a WP:TRIVIA section, the material is uncited, and gives no indication at all why it's significant to the article subject or receiving proper weight? In its current state it's a indiscriminate collection of information. Additionally, the suggestion that other articles have a similar poor sections is irrelevant; decent articles never have such a section, for instance the Featured Articles King Arthur and Batman do not have them.--Cúchullain t/ c 13:01, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * As I see someone is interpreting the policy wrong. Either it is the hundreds of editors of those articles referred to, or it is you that is getting it wrong. I'm simply on the side of the majority. Nuff said. Mediatech492 (talk) 18:47, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * What in the world are you talking about? Are you going to respond to any of my points, or just write it off? For the third time, the burden of evidence is on you to defend material you restore.--Cúchullain t/ c 19:19, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm following established precedence. Mediatech492 (talk) 20:23, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * What does that even mean? I've already demonstrated that pop culture trivia sections have been deprecated for years and that no GA or FA has one, even on other fictional characters such as King Arthur and Batman. The section needs to go.--Cúchullain t/ c 20:48, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Mediatech, I reiterate once again that the burden of evidence is on *you* to defend and find consensus for your challenged material. Please respond to the policy and style issues above, and do not edit war. Cúchullain t/ c 00:44, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The format is consistent with every other character article on Wikipedia. I require no other proof than that. Mediatech492 (talk) 03:42, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Uh, you most certainly do. burden of evidence, WP:BRD, and all that. Can you find a single policy or guideline page that recommends introducing an indiscriminate collection of uncited, improperly weighted trivia into articles? Because those ones specifically recommend against it. Can you find any Featured Article or Good Article that includes such a section? Please answer these questions directly. And I'd really stop edit warring and slinging baseless accusations of vandalism around if I were you.Cúchullain t/ c 19:08, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Fact: You are the one trying to change the article, not I. The burden therefore is on you, to show why this article should be any different than all the others. You have utterly failed to give a reason for this. Provide a valid reason why this article should be unique in this way and I will allow it. Mediatech492 (talk) 23:04, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, you don't allow anything. There is no unilateral editing on Wikipedia; decisions to introduce or re-introduce material are made by consensus. There's just not any for your changes. Please revert yourself immediately to avoid an edit warring violation, and please see the articles cited above, King Arthur and Batman, for examples of FAs and GAs that disprove your claim that these sections are ubiquitous. Also read, and respond here to, the policies and guidelines I've linked multiple times now.Cúchullain t/ c 03:15, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
 * To repeat, I am not the one attempting to make changes to the article. You are. The reason you give for your changes are not valid. If you need supporting references try the articles for Superman, Jean Valjean, Huckleberry Finn, and Kermit the Frog, I can easily supply many more.And you'd better recheck on King Arthur and Batman while your at it because they do have it. And thank you for proving my point. Mediatech492 (talk) 04:51, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
 * For the umpteenth time, WP:BURDEN doesn't say anything about changes to the article, it says "The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material". You are the one restoring the challenged material, you need to defend it, and you have not. Please respond to this directly.
 * As for other articles, I said I highly doubt any FA or GA has one of these uncited, indiscriminate lists of trivia. Despite your claims, neither the FA King Arthur nor the GA Batman have uncited, indiscriminate material in them. Green Knight is another Arthurian GA that has no such section. Of your examples, the best one, Superman, has no trivia section. The other articles are all in a poor state; I have no idea why you think they are good examples to follow.--Cúchullain t/ c  13:10, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I noticed you've also reverted out a bunch of other work I did to the article. My edits added and rearranged material and was cited to an eminently reliable source. Was this your intention? Please explain yourself.--Cúchullain t/ c 13:29, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

I've filed for a third opinion to try and resolve the dispute. To reiterate, as someone who has done a lot of work on this and related articles, I believe that the section Portrayals in media is an unnecessary and indiscriminate collection of information. It is uncited and there is no indication that the items are receiving their due weight. As I've pointed out, WP:TRIVIA sections are deprecated, especially considering that we have multiple other sections dealing with portrayals of the character. Such sections do not appear in any FA or GA that I can find, for instance in King Arthur, Green Knight, or Batman. As the one re-adding this challenged material, the burden of evidence is on Mediatech to defend it, but in my opinion they have not been particularly responsive.--Cúchullain t/ c 13:49, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Response: The section in question in this article is consistent with other articles on fictional characters that I have cited, and many others besides this. In fact some character articles have dedicated articles solely for the purpose of listing information of this sort. This information is not trivial as it shows the use and impact the character has in popular culture. Cuchullain has offered no valid reason why this article should be any different than all the others in not having this information provided. Though he seems quite adamant beyond reason to make it so. Quite frankly if he thinks the section needs more sourcing he could have been proactive and simply provided it instead of arbitrarily blanking the section and resorting to all this nonsense. Mediatech492 (talk) 20:44, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

 * Sigh, well, I was planning to do some more on this article today, but was waiting to hear Mediatech's explanation for why they blind reverted all my work from yesterday.--Cúchullain t/ c  20:01, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

 * I understand your position Gigs, however there is no way that that Cuchullain's aggressive section blanking can be called "Good Faith", even if the objective was well intentioned. It was inconsistent with good faith from the outset. That is why I was obliged to resort to tagging it as vandalism. That said I consider the matter closed as long as such tactics cease. Mediatech492 (talk) 03:19, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

 * Are you really going to sling even further false accusations of vandalism and bad faith immediately after you were told this could be a personal attack? In what way is that productive? The matter is certainly not closed so long as this challenged, trivial information is left in the article.--Cúchullain t/ c 12:44, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
 * And for the third time, are you going to explain why you revert all my recent work? Do you have some reason for that or are you just blindly reverting every edit I make?--Cúchullain t/ c 12:47, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Mediatech492, it's not unusual to completely remove sections that are lists of trivia, if none of the trivia is significant enough to be incorporated into article prose. I think the only productive way forward is for you to make a case why the trivia is important enough to the topic, from an encyclopedic perspective. Gigs (talk) 13:09, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Mediatech, are you going to respond to these various comments? As I said I was planning to work on the article.Cúchullain t/ c 22:44, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

As it's clear that Mediatech has no intention of answering these comments or doing anything to improve the article, I'm going to continue work. I plan on restore the work I began previously that Mediatech blind reverted and continue from there. First, however, I'm going to remove Mediatech's pointless list and replace it with a brief section about Gawain's portrayal in modern literature and media. This is hardly the most important thing this article needs, and ideally it should be reliant on earlier sections that have not yet been written, but I'll get started on it to get past this obstruction. For now the material will focus mostly on film and be taken from the chapter in the book Cinema Arthuriana, as I don't have access to scholarly works on Gawain in other media, such as what's found in Gawain: A Casebook. At any rate it will be a start.--Cúchullain t/ c 16:00, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I have given your commentary full response, repeatedly and in detail. My concerns about your intentions remain. The section in question is a normal feature of articles of this type and useful data. Arbitrary removal of useful data is not constructive. Edit the article if you will, by all means please, but I, like all other wiki editors, will make such adjustments as necessary to preserve the the article's integrity. The objective here is to optimize the information available for the reader. Mediatech492 (talk) 17:59, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Except some hand-waving references to similarly pointless sections in poor articles, you didn't respond to anything that was asked, and it's been weeks. You've made it clear you don't intend to do anything to improve the article. I'm going ahead with the changes.--Cúchullain t/ c 18:33, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. I trust Mediatech will not revert war over these changes.--Cúchullain t/ c 22:41, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Recent work
Now that we've moved beyond the above silliness, I've been doing a good bit of work on the article. I've found a number of problems in going forward. Many of these are do to my edits from many years ago, back when inline citations were a suggestion and not a requirement. While all of that material was verifiable, the lack of citations evidently led other editors to add their own over the years. I've discovered that a lot of the citations that have been added are incomplete, inadequate, or otherwise problematic. Where I'm able I've tried to incorporate valid material into my revisions, either by keeping valid citations or replacing troublesome ones. Additionally, the presentation is all over the place. I think I've made a good start, and I'll do more this week, but any input is welcome.Cúchullain t/ c 03:40, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Portrayals in media

 * James D'Arcyin Gawain and the Green Knight (2002 animated film)
 * Murray Head in Gawain and the Green Knight
 * Miles O'Keeffe in Sword of the Valiant
 * Liam Neeson in Excalibur
 * Robert Gwyn Davin in First Knight
 * Anthony Hickox in Prince Valiant
 * Joel Edgerton in King Arthur
 * Noah Huntley in The Mists of Avalon
 * Sebastian Roché in Merlin (film)
 * Eoin Macken in Merlin (TV series)
 * Clive Standen in Camelot (TV series)

 * Although, above are all well related actors, if there was ever a really close interpretation of the character Gawaine, some have speculated to be Orlando Bloom as his portrayal as Balian of Ibelin, in the film Kingdom of Heaven, fiercely loyal to his promises and defending his kingdom throughout more than one war, and finally keeping the peace and fortune of the kingdom to his death, to be by far a more accurate character of Gawaine as some would say. --74.34.74.56 (talk) 08:33, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

 * We don't need a list like that in the article. We already have a section on the more noteworthy portrayals.Cúchullain t/ c 17:28, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Other than the revert from user, Sdgegewgd or whoever you are, I'll delete my own discussion thank you, yes I know there's a list in the media section I am just comparing characters. Although this list would me more productive and similar to other media sections in articles of knights such as Lancelot.--74.34.74.56 (talk) 00:40, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Sir Gawain does not appear whatsoever in Monty Python's Holy Grail. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.23.39.19 (talk) 19:14, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Dutch & Other Folklore
Why in the world is he related to Dutch French folklore when he originally Welsh and Scottish folklore. Is there any legit source of folklore about him coming from France. --Oh goes the waterhole (talk) 04:49, 22 January 2013 (UTC) Search for Book sources:
 * Book 1
 * citebook|title=Arthur of Britain|last=Chambers| first=Edmund Kerchever|year=1927|publisher=Sidgwick & Jackson, Ltd.|
 * citebook=Knights of the Round Table:Gawain|last=Rowley|first=Gwen|year=2007||publisher=The Penguin Group|

--Oh Goes the Waterholes (talk) 23:07, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Never mind. There are sources of Celtic folklore traveled down into France and into Germany and there are sources coming from Italy as it is shown in the beginning of the article. True there is a similar stories in Greek mythology about the Theseus relation to the sword and the stone and Arthur as both founders of new nations.--Oh goes the waterhole (talk) 15:37, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

 * While Gawain was big in Dutch literature, I don't believe he was very prominent in folklore per say. The two are different things. I'll remove that category.Cúchullain t/ c 20:53, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

 * I really don't understand what you are trying to say, Oh goes the waterhole...the article very clearly states that one scholar, Lauran Toorians, believes that Gauvain is a Dutch name in origin and that the character was introduced into Arthurian literature by a substantial number of Flemings who were settled in Britain in the middle ages. This theory has not gained wide acceptance among Arthurian scholars, but you do often find it being mentioned these days as a possible alternative explanation for the character, other than the standard line of thought that he is derived from Welsh Gwalchmei. Cagwinn (talk) 15:31, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Gawain Gwalchmei, does respect with other nations such as Dutch mythology, so I rest my case, it's a melting pot of ideas Geoffrey made, although I hope the source above may help more about his mythology.--Oh Goes the Waterholes (talk) 19:30, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Introduction: Gawain as the Green Knight
"In some spin-offs, Sir Gawain is the Green Knight." I've never heard of this, and the lack of examples and citation given makes this a throwaway sentence that, while interesting, offers little substantive information. All adaptations mentioned later in the article make no reference to Gawain as the Green Knight, as far as I can tell. Can anyone find these spin-offs back up this sentence? (Apologies for my lack of Wikipedia editing knowledge)--140.104.201.101 (talk) 12:44, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

 * I also question this, I've never heard of it. The term "spin-off" is also strange to me. Did the person who originally wrote this mean modern, non-faithful works like Monty Python, or did they mean older derivatives like The Greene Knight? Either way, I think that it probably doesn't deserve to be in the opening section since the later article doesn't follow up on the idea. -- DrDoog (talk) 00:32, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

 * I've removed the sentence. Rojomoke (talk) 11:36, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

"Florence, Lovell, and Gingalain" and Gawain's sisters are only mentioned in the lad, nowhere in body
It obviously should be fixed by adding the relevant content that is otherwise exclusive ton the lead section. The references should also be moved to the body, as the lead should bhe only a short summary of the actual article. --94.246.150.68 (talk) 15:55, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

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The lead contains exclusive content, instead of just summarizing the article
It and the article need to be rewritten. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 20:24, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

I expanded the article with content based on a Wikia article
Namely https://kingarthur.wikia.com/wiki/Gawain so someone might check it out for validity (much of this stuff has been entirely unknown to me), and add refs or request them when needed. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 22:18, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Speaking of references, purged the bibliography the entries not used directly:
 * Benson, C. David. "The Lost Honor of Sir Gawain." De Gustibus: Essays for Alain Renoir. New York: Garland, 1992.
 * Gustafson, Kevin. "Sir Gawain and the Green Knight." Companion to Medieval English Literature and Culture. Ed. Peter Brown. Malden, MA: Blackwell Publishing, 2006.
 * Davenport, W. A. The Art of the Gawain-Poet. New York: Athlone, 1985.
 * Reichardt, Paul F. "Gawain and the Image of the Wound." PMLA 99.2 (1984): 154–161. 	JStor. Modern Language Association. Web. 14 November 2009.
 * Shoaf, R. Allen. "Green Girdle." College of Liberal Arts and Sciences | The University of Florida. Web. 14 November 2009. Online
 * Weiss, Victoria L. "Gawain's First Failure: The Beheading Scene in ‘Sir Gawain and the Green Knight.' ” The Chaucer Review 10.4 (1976): 361–366. JStor. Penn State University Press. Web. 14 November 2009.

La Familia de Gawain
Este tema me confunde mucho. Porfavor hagan el esfuerzo de hacer un árbol genealógico o algo. Christian Alexis Arroyo Ortiz (talk) 07:16, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

 * A genealogical family tree might help. However, it would require that someone take the time to construct one. That's the hard part. Dhtwiki (talk) 08:44, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Westside (Los Angeles County)

Moved this text
I moved this text here from West Los Angeles because that name refers only to one neighborhood while the article was about the whole region (The Westside). View the history of that page for this text before I pasted it here. We decided to paste (rather than move) in order to keep the old page around with the topic of the more specific neighborhood. There may have been a better way to do it, I apologize if this messes anything up. See Talk:West Los Angeles. EmergentProperty 00:48, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

OK - so now the page is titled "West Los Angeles (region)". Why don't we have a discussion to decide what the name should be. When I hear "West Los Angeles" I think the particular neighborhood. When I hear "The Westside" I think of the region. This seems to hold true with most people I talk to. So I vote for some variation of "Westside". EmergentProperty 03:03, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

'Hollywood' business
I removed the sentence, "Indeed, far more "Hollywood" business is conducted on the Westside than in Hollywood itself." from the business section because it's not entirely true. It depends what kind of "Hollywood" business you're talking about. There's still a lot of editing, props, effects, and other ancillary industries in Hollywood. And don't forget Burbank. EmergentProperty 22:57, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Rappers' nomenclature
Rappers do not say "Westside" because they are from West Los Angeles, but from the West "coast" of the USA. Which refers to the word Westside as well. No? (21 November 2006)

Criteria for inclusion?
According to the description at the top of the article, the cities of Hawthorne, Manhattan Beach, and Torrance should not belong. Unless someone can provide a good justification for their inclusion, I will delete them. Blank Verse  ∅ 20:32, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's the South Bay. User:Zoe|(talk) 22:51, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

"The" 310
I have never heard this area refered to as "The 310." Unless we can get a good reference for this "fact," I propose removing the section — say, on December 29, which will make a good start to the new year. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 00:16, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The term exists, even though it is not completely accurate - as Beverly Hills and Culver City, while mostly in the 310 area code, do have areas that are part of the 323 area code (although very few residents of Culver City live in the tiny part of that city within the 323 area code)

"East of the Pacific Ocean"
No kidding? bearstory  07:26, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Exposition Light Rail
Should we add mention of this project to the transportation section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.10.41.94 (talk) 23:37, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Request for sources
I am beginning a project to source all of this information and to remove that which cannot be verified. I removed the asserted "boundaries" of the Westside as unsourced, but I am retaining it here in case anybody wants to find sources and work it into the article.

 * West Los Angeles (also known as West L.A. or the Westside) is generally considered to be the portion of Los Angeles, California that lies east of the Pacific Ocean, west of La Cienega Boulevard (or, by some, Fairfax or even La Brea Avenue), south of the Santa Monica Mountains, and north of the Los Angeles International Airport (LAX). (Compare to East Los Angeles or South Los Angeles.) It is bordered on the west by the Pacific Ocean, on the northwest by Ventura County and the Conejo Valley, on the north by the San Fernando Valley, on the east by Hollywood district and the Wilshire area, and on the south by South Los Angeles and South Bay.

Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 00:13, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I found a source, rewrote the above description (which could not be backed up), added the source, and somebody removed it (no reason given). So I put it back in a modified form. Yours sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 18:41, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

 * I'm not an Angeleno, so excuse me if I get some of this wrong, but isn't one problem with sourcing this article the fact that "westside" is not an official designation, but an informal one, used (for instance) by real estate agents and in everyday conversation, but not supported by any kind of governmental delineation? The closest thing I can find to an official area which is close to "Westside" is County Supervisorial Area #3 (map), and even that encompasses much more to both the east and west than is meant by "westside" as defined here. Without an official designation of what "westside" is, I think it's going to be difficult to find support for the many claims made about it in the article, since every potential source is going to use a slightly different definition.  I hope I'm wrong, but that's how it looks to me after some amount of poking around. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz)  (talk / cont)  21:53, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

For any of the statements, we might want to include the exact geographic area that the Source is talking about, if we can find it. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 03:38, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Requested move
This article has been renamed from West Los Angeles (region) to Westside (Los Angeles County) as the result of a move request. - Move.

It is confusing to have two articles titled "West Los Angeles," one for the city region and one for the general region including Santa Monica, Beverly Hills and Culver City, which are not part of L.A. at all. The usual term for this district is "The Westside." A 'West Los Angeles" article should confine itself to the neighborhood council which has adopted that name. I am proposing to rename this article as The Westside (region of Los Angeles metropolitan area). Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 06:00, 9 January 2008 (UTC) Yes, Westside (region of Los Angeles metropolitan area) would be better. But it is more than Los Angeles. It also includes Culver City, Beverly Hills, Santa Monica (all independent cities) and Marina Del Rey and the Sawtelle Veterans Hospital (both unincorporated). Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 20:04, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I have no strong opinion on a title but oppose the use of the definite article ("the") before the name. Plus, wouldn't Westside (Los Angeles) be simpler?  I doesn't conflict with anything at Westside. —   AjaxSmack   08:19, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The parenthical should serve as a disambiguator, not a descriptive. "Region" doesn't disambiguate becuse other Westsides are also regions.  "Metropolitan area" doesn't disambiguate because there is only one Westside in the L.A. area.  The parenthetical only needs to set it apart from the other entries at Westside and Westside (Los Angeles) is sufficient.  —   AjaxSmack   20:56, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Westside (Los Angeles) might be sufficient, but it would not be accurate. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 22:03, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I was thinking Los Angeles/West. How about that? Agtax 00:53, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Or Westside (Los Angeles County). Reginmund (talk) 04:25, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Westside (Los Angeles County) would be just fine. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 06:42, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Westside (Los Angeles County) is grand. —   AjaxSmack    16:32, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I moved the page to the new title. GeorgeLouis (talk) 22:59, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Is Malibu in the Westside?
I couldn't find any sources that say Malibu is part of the Westside. In fact, the Malibu Times seems to be fairly consistent that it is not. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 04:52, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Result of No Sources
I removed all the unsourced material as a compendium of hearsay, speculation, rumor and stereotype. This has been tagged for quite a while and nobody has stepped forth to verify any of these supposed facts. I sent messages to most of the editors who have worked on this article over the past year or two. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 17:24, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

 * "Tagged for quite a while"? - those tags are dated December 2007, I'd hardly call a couple of months "quite a while". And speaking of that, your call for sources dates from about a week month or so ago (corrected - I was mistaken, the notice of the sourcing problem was posted on my talk page about a week ago) - I think it would be appropriate to give it a little more time before deleting a lot of material. It would be different if you suspected that the information is not true, as opposed to not supported by citation, which is not the same thing.  Is that the case?  If so, then I can understand your deleting material that you know to be false.  But this is not a courtroom where black is white if the judge or a stipulation says it is, we're allowed to use our common sense to decide which material is factual and which is not, regardless of the state of its sourcing. in the long run, yes, all factual material should be sourced, but the grim fact of the matter is that a significant percentage of the material on Wikipedia is not sourced.  That means it's more productive to work toward sourcing it then it is to delete it on sight simply because it's unsourced. I hope I'm being clear in what I'm saying. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz)  (talk / cont)  17:34, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I assume the author of the above note is writing in Good Faith, although the wording is quite peremptory. Let's give it a while longer! Cheers! GeorgeLouis (talk) 17:44, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I had to intent to be peremptory. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz)  (talk / cont)  17:50, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I've moved this discussion down to the bottom of the page, where it will be more easily seen by people. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz)  (talk / cont)  17:38, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Incorrect borders
Being a lifetime member of the Westside, I have to say, I was a little appalled to see the northern border as Sunset. The Northern border is definitely Wilshire, not sunset, because if it's sunset you're adding a huge chuck of north beverly hills, and quite a large amount of west hollywood territory, not to mention brentwood and the pallisades, which are the furthest thing from the Westside. Ask any West LA resident, and they would tell you that to include those ares as "Westside" is a joke. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.1.242.7 (talk) 23:10, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Tell that to the IP user who edited those boundaries. Agtax 00:07, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Let us be clear: The only paragraph that cites sources of areas to include within the Westside is the first one. The others have been added later, with no sources or with a poor one, I refer to http://travel.yahoo.com/p-map-191501884-map_of_los_angeles_ca-i, which simply gives a generic map of Los Angeles, with no boundaries marked. Thus I am removing the two paragraphs without sources. If anybody wants to add them back, kindly do so, but with good citations to good sources. Yours very sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 03:54, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

'Overview' section
The section marked "Overview" is not needed because the lede is supposed to be an overview of the entire article. In addition, this section is faulty because it is mostly WP:Original research. Some of the particular problems are: (1) The MGM Holdings document is original research because it is a primary document. Not sure why all the addresses are given as part of the citation. Please explain. (2) You can't link to another WP article and consider that to be a citation ("World's Busiest Airports by Passenger Traffic"). (3) The news release by LAWA is self-serving and not a reliable source. (4) The information pinned to the LA Business Journal (King, Danny (September 1, 2003). "Projects move forward on Westwood's Golden Mile". Los Angeles Business Journal. p. 3.) could be valid, but please post the text on the Talk Page so we can verify it. See this diff. GeorgeLouis (talk) 04:54, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 10:28, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

=Historical boundaries== It's weird that all of these boundaries are based off of 2009 Los angeles times, when boundaries were defined well before that. I remember seeing maps back in the 90s describing westchester as part of the southbay area. I've moved away from la, but maybe someone can do some research at the local planning department to see where all these boundaries are really set at rather than where everyone "thinks" they should be because like it or not, boundaries are set by people who have political power and wealth and boundaries were set intentionally to segregate and control people and LA definitely has a history of geographical discrimination. I think maybe both can exist, like cultural boundaries vs political boundaries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:12F0:5DF0:4594:987F:8C44:72EC (talk) 13:37, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

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Heartland Hockey Camp is located on highway 7 in Deerwood...rumor has it the facility was once a tuberculosis treatment center. Can anyone verify this, or assist me in finding the name of it?

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The result of the debate was keep. - Sikon 10:52, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Gloria Carter Spann
Sister of Jimmy Carter. Not notable in her own right. TheCoffee 00:50, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. Immediate family of a U.S. President is borderline notability it its own right. Pburka 01:01, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, we keep first ladies, I mean all they did was be married to the president, no? Not to mention we keep the Kennedy and Bush political families... Redwolf24 01:34, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Revolución 02:34, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete: Family of presidents are not necessarily candidates for biographies. Let's see what's in this one.  Hmmm, avoided getting in the news.  Let's see...used to be a Hell's Angel?  Really?  You'd think someone would have said something about that during his presidency.  Interesting that they didn't, isn't it?  Had big parties for Hell's Angels?  Wow.  Another case of the press being too stupid to do a hatchet job, I guess.  No citations, no verification?  Isn't that fascinating?  No indication that there is anything worth a bio, here.  Geogre 03:44, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. Seems to be borderline, but I think she's notable enough for inclusion. — Bcat (talk | email) 03:54, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, per Redwolf24. -- BD2412 talk 04:08, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, I learned that everybody in the Carter family (maybe not everybody but a lot of people) have died from pancreatic cancer. Thus, may we speculate President Carter will die from pancreatic cancer.  Very encyclopedic. 24.1.97.187 04:23, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, direct family of (former) world leaders are either all notable enough or they should all be on a collective page. Lomedae 12:07, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, immediate family of Presidents have a very easy time becoming famous, but it doesn't automatically happen. Dcarrano 18:10, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Notable enough to warrant inclusion, however could be expanded.--Irishpunktom\talk 19:15, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and expand. Notable enough. JamesBurns 03:35, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Presidential families are notable and encyclopedic, pretty much by definition. Micro tonal  (Put your head on my shoulder) 03:39, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable. First ladys are inherently notable not only because of their relation to the President, but for other initiatives. Virtually every first lady has been in the spotlight, for fundraising, socializing, or their own career. Not so with sisters who "shunned the spotlight". --Scimitar parley 16:12, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, Mrs. Spann was very much active in both campaign/elections for her brother, making numerous phone calls and mailings that she should be noted. Spann was also noted for her high standards of religion as was the standard of many other members of the Carter family. She also was a leading biker-girl for Harley Davidson riders and easily climbed the ranks long before her brother became president of the United States, so in a way, she actually was a popular person years before her brother was involved in public office. I think the article on Mrs. Spann should definitely be kept. I also noticed that much of the information in the article came from Carter's An Hour Before Daylight, which should be incorporated in a citation. Being the last sibling of the former president is also notable enough. There was an incident back in 1978 when Gloria was arrested for playing a harmonica in a cafe down in Plains, Ga, while brother Billy was having is own problems at or around the same time. Although it is said that Gloria Carter Spann shunned the spotlight, she was in a way actually forced to be in the spotlight. 11:29, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, notable within her own right, not borderline at all. Hall Monitor 18:44, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lillian Gordy Carter

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The result of the debate was Keep --Allen3 talk 00:46, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

Lillian Gordy Carter
Mother of Jimmy Carter. Not notable in her own right. TheCoffee 00:51, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. Immediate family of a U.S. President is borderline notability it its own right. Pburka 01:01, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect. Denni ☯ 01:25, 2005 July 17 (UTC)
 * Keep, we keep first ladies, I mean all they did was be married to the president, no? Not to mention we keep the Kennedy and Bush political families... Redwolf24 01:34, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep My memory of the Carter years (confirmed by Google) is that Lillian Carter had significant notability and was used by the Carter administration on a number of diplomatic missions particularly to India.--Porturology 01:37, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Memorable as mother of Jimmy Carter and is of some note both for her membership of the Peace Corps in Indiaat age 68 and her role as a nurse. A nursing school at Emory University is named after her. I will expand this article after lunch. Capitalistroadster 01:52, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Revolución 02:30, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Send to clean up: There is no article here.  This has birth and death dates and an indication that she was Jimmy Carter's mother.  There is nothing in this article that couldn't be gotten by a redirect to Jimmy Carter.  Unless it actually has a biography, it performs less than zero function on Wikipedia. Geogre 03:46, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep She was prominent at the time, future generations will need to look her up. -EDM 03:47, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. Have expanded article with biography and references. No change of vote from Keep. Capitalistroadster 03:49, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Important person behind important person. She has been noted by many, including at least one president of the United States.  The current wording of the article is as good or better than most the same type and size.  --rob 04:07, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, per Capitalistroadster. -- BD2412 talk 04:09, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep I would not automatically regard all close relatives of presidents as notable, but my recollection is that she did have a significant profile during her son's time as president. PatGallacher 11:13, 2005 July 17 (UTC)
 * Keep. Author as well as presidential mother.  Almafeta 13:07, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge. Notability is personal, doesn't rub off to relatives. Radiant_ >|< 13:19, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep per Capitalistroadster and PatGallacher. Dcarrano 18:13, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong keep - Inherently notable --Irishpunktom\talk 19:16, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. I don't think relatives of famous people are inherently notable, but she did enough to make the cut. Gamaliel 19:20, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and expand. Enough notability. JamesBurns 03:36, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Accomplishments in addition to being a relative of the president. --Scimitar parley 16:13, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
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Free Zone (film)

Free Zone is a 2005 film directed by Amos Gitai. Shot in Israel and Jordan, the Israeli-Belgian-French-Spanish production stars Israeli Jewish actress Hanna Laslo, Palestinian actress Hiam Abbass, and Israeli-American actress Natalie Portman. It is the second film of Gitai's "Border" or "Frontier" trilogy.

The film made its debut at the 2005 Cannes Film Festival on May 19, 2005. It was released in Israel on June 9, 2005, and then appeared at numerous other film festivals throughout the rest of the year, with a limited release on December 16, 2005, in the United States.

Plot
Rebecca (Natalie Portman) is a young American woman who has lived in Jerusalem for several months. She has just ended her marriage with a Jewish man, Breitberg after he tells her of having raped a Palestinian woman while he was a soldier. Rebecca herself has a Jewish father but a gentile mother and so, despite her Jewish upbringing, is not considered a Jew according to religious tradition. Crying openly, Rebecca enters a tourist cab, driven by a Jewish Israeli woman, Hanna (Hanna Laslo), who is the daughter of Holocaust survivors. Hanna's destination, to which Rebecca agrees to accompany her, is the free-trade zone or "Free Zone" near Jordan's borders with Syria, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia to collect money owed to her husband, who has recently been wounded in a rocket attack. Upon reaching the Free Zone, they meet up with Laila (Hiam Abbass), a Palestinian woman who serves as the contact for Hanna's husband's black market partnership with a man known as "the American." The three women set off on a tense journey to retrieve Hanna's money and to find the American's son, Walid, who may have absconded with the money.

The film is bookended by a rendition of the traditional Passover song "Had Gadya", performed by Chava Alberstein. The song "Ain Ani" by Shotei Hanevua also plays in the taxi at the end of the film.

Cast

 * Natalie Portman as Rebecca. Partly Israeli, partly American, she left New York City to live in Jerusalem but has no family of her own there.
 * Hanna Laslo as Hanna. After being expelled from Sinai, she established with her husband in the Negev.
 * Hiam Abbass as Leila. A Palestinian Arab, rejected by her own son for her modern mores.
 * Carmen Maura as Mrs. Breitberg. The mother of Julio. In the final cut, she only appears in a superimposed flashback.
 * Makram Khoury as Samir, the American. A Palestinian orphan who was a refugee in Texas. Now living as a car trader in a Free Zone oasis.
 * Aki Avni as Julio. Rebecca's former fiancé of Spanish-Jewish origin. They separated after he told her that he had raped a Palestinian refugee during a military operation.
 * Liron Levo as military officer in the border with Jordan.

Reception
Free Zone received negative reviews from critics. Review aggregator Rotten Tomatoes reports that 26% of critics gave the film a positive review based on 46 reviews, with an average score of 5/10. The website's consensus reads, "The symbolism in this cinematic metaphor on conflicts in the Middle East becomes so overbearing that it's hard to care about the characters or their plight."

Awards
In the 2005 Cannes Film Festival, Hanna Laslo won the Best Actress award, and the film was nominated for the Palme d'Or. The president of the jury said afterward he considered honoring all three Free Zone actresses with an award for best ensemble acting.

Controversy
During filming at Jerusalem's Western Wall on February 23, 2005, the Israeli police asked actors and film crew to leave after protests from Orthodox Jews who were praying there while the crew filmed a kissing scene between Natalie Portman and Israeli actor Aki Avni. The scene was not included in the final cut of the film.

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User talk:Linkofazeroth

Message Archives

 * Archive 1

Welcoming
I've looked at Polotet's talk page and you supposedly welcomed him, but the page appears to be empty. Are you sure you correctly capitalized the code and are you sure the page for your own welcome message still exists? - Mgm|(talk) 07:32, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Digi-stub
Just left a request for input on what to do with Digi-stub on WikiProject Digimon Systems Update. Caerwine 18:20, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Deleting subpages
According to the Criteria for speedy deletion, user subpages are speedy deletable at the request of the author and do not need to go through AFD. I've tagged it as such and it will probably be deleted within the next few hours. Thanks, Alphax τεχ 06:08, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

RuneScapeWiki
I must admit that I don't spend as much time on there as I should. I will check in later and I'll be happy to talk to you there. --Merovingian (t) (c) (e) 12:13, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Esperanza elections
Hi : This is a quick note just to let you know that there's an election under way at Esperanza. If you'd like to become a candidate for Administrator General or the Advisory Council, just add your name here by 15 December 2005. Voting begins at 12:00UTC on 16 December.

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News from Esperanza
Hello, fellow Esperanzians! This is just a friendly reminder that elections for Administrator General and two advisory council positions have just begun. Voting will last until Friday, December 30, so make sure you exercise your right to vote! Also, I'm pleased to announce the creation of the Esperanza mailing list. I urge all members to join; see Esperanza/Contact for more information. All you need to do is email me and I will activate your account. This will be a great way to relax, stay in touch, and hear important announcements. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note? )

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Wiki: New Group
Hi, my name is Wikizach, and I am starting a new Wiki-organization. I think you would be a great help to make it as big as all the others. Make up your own mind, but please visit it's page:

To become a member:

Thank You,

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Wikizach 22:39, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

WikiProject Digimon Systems Update, again
I'm trying to get some stuff done over at the digimon wikiproject, and have reorganized the project page. I also added a To-do list. In hoping we can collaborate. Circeus 17:09, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

re: Delerium albums and naming conventions
''In deference to Wikipedia:Naming_conventions#Album_titles_and_band_names and Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums#Style, I'd like to suggest renaming the disambiguated Delerium albums; /*snip*/  -- Unint 21:11, 2 February 2006 (UTC)''

 * I found some of the naming conventions were difficult to implement because I didn't know if there are other albums out there by that name (or that there *will be*). Some conventions read like a 10x nested if/else statement. Therefore, I tried to be consistent. And I realized later we might not want to link the song names... but on the other hand, we might (lyrics etc.) My main focus after an hour of slogging it was just getting the content up. I did read up on some conventions, but knew tweaking would have to be done later.  I will tweak later when I have more time.  Also, thanks for helping tweak! --geekyßroad 08:30, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Erm, never mind, I did all the renaming for the albums. Please let me know if I did them improperly. TY --geekyßroad 09:25, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Another Esperanzial note...
Hi again Esperanzians! Well, since our last frolic in the realms of news, the Advisory Council has met twice more (see WP:ESP/ACM2 and WP:ESP/ACM3). As a result, the charter has been ammended twice (see here for details) and all of the shortcuts have been standardised (see the summary for more details). Also of note is the Valentines ball that will take place in the Esperanza IRC channel on the 14th of February (tomorrow). It will start at 6pm UTC and go on until everyone's had enough! I hope to see you all there! Also, the spamlist has been dissolved - all Esperanzians will now recieve this update "newsletter".

The other major notice I need to tell you about is the upcoming Esperanza Advisory Council Elections. These will take place from 12:00 UTC on February 20th to 11:59 UTC on February 27th. The official handing-over will take place the following day. Candidates are able to volunteer any time before the 20th, so long as they are already listed on the members list. Anyone currently listed on the memberlist can vote. In a change since last time, if you have already been a member of the leadership, you may run again. Due to the neutrality precident, I will not vote for anyone.

Yours, as ever, Esperanzially,

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Happy Birthday!!

 * Happy Birthday on behalf of the Birthday Committee! All the best! +Hexagon1 (t) 23:41, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

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Michael Cuesta

Michael Cuesta (born July 8, 1963) is an American film and television director, best known for his independent films, specially for having co-written and directed the 2001 film, L.I.E. He has directed and produced television series including Six Feet Under, Dexter, Blue Bloods and Homeland.

Life and career
Cuesta was born in New York City. He received a BFA in photography from the School of Visual Arts in 1985. Cuesta co-wrote (with Stephen Ryder and Gerald Cuesta) and directed the 2001 independent film, L.I.E. which starred Paul Dano, Brian Cox, Billy Kay, and Bruce Altman. L.I.E. received critical acclaim and two Independent Spirit Awards at the Sundance Film Festival.

His film L.I.E. led him to become a regular director for the HBO original series, Six Feet Under which aired from 2001 to 2005. According to executive producer Alan Poul, "During the second season, we had hired a director for the fourth episode, but he fell out one week before the start of pre-production. Alan Ball and I were alarmed, but that night we went to see L.I.E., and it was a revelation. The next morning we booked Michael. He's a fantastic fit for the show." Michael Cuesta became a regular director during the 2002 season of Six Feet Under and directed five episodes of the series including the fourth-season premiere, "Falling into Place".

In addition to Six Feet Under and L.I.E., Cuesta has also directed the film, 12 and Holding, which premiered at the Toronto International Film Festival in 2005 and was released by IFC Films theatrically in 2006. Other projects include an adaptation of the novel, The Miracle Life of Edgar Mint.

In 2006 Cuesta directed the pilot episode of the Showtime series, Dexter. The show reunited him with former Six Feet Under star Michael C. Hall in the lead role, Dexter Morgan. Cuesta joined the production staff for the first season and also directed further episodes including the season finale. He left the crew at the end of the first season.

He also directed the second-season finale for the HBO series True Blood which was created and executive produced by Alan Ball, creator and show runner of Six Feet Under.

Cuesta would have executive produced Babylon Fields, a CBS television series about zombies proposed for the 2007–2008 season. The show was not picked up. In 2013 NBC bought the rights to Babylon Fields, choosing Michael Cuesta as the director because of his familiarity with the prior pilot. A pilot was filmed in 2014 but the show was not picked up.

Cuesta directed and executive produced the pilot episode for CBS drama Blue Bloods in 2010. The series was created by Robin Green and Mitchell Burgess and focuses on a family of New York police officers. He returned to direct the eighth episode of the first season "Chinatown".

He was nominated for a Primetime Emmy Award for directing Homeland's Pilot episode.

In 2011, he directed the film Roadie starring Ron Eldard as a man who returns home to Queens, NY after twenty years on the road with Blue Öyster Cult. Co-written with his brother Gerald Cuesta and featuring supporting roles by Jill Hennessy, Bobby Cannavale, Lois Smith and David Margulies, the film was screened at the Stony Brook Film Festival, Vancouver International Film Festival and Austin Film Festival in 2011. It was released by Magnolia Pictures on January 6, 2012.

In February 2013 Cuesta was set up to direct the film Kill the Messenger for 2014 release date, Jeremy Renner will be leading the film. Filming started in the summer of 2013 in Atlanta. In January 2015 was named as the director, of the pilot episode of Fox Television Studios drama horror series Frankenstein, based on Mary Shelley's novel Frankenstein.

Filmography
Film
 * L.I.E. (2001)
 * 12 and Holding (2005)
 * ''Tell-Tale (2009)
 * Roadie (2011)
 * Kill the Messenger (2014)
 * American Assassin (2017)

Television

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User talk:David47~enwiki

Welcome!
Hello, David47, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thanks for your contributions; I hope you like it here and decide to stay. We're glad to have you in our community! Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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Image Tagging Image:Whelans 0904 05.jpg
Thanks for uploading Image:Whelans 0904 05.jpg. I notice the image page currently doesn't specify who created the image, so the copyright status is therefore unclear. If you have not created the image yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the image on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the image yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page.

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Image:Whelans 0904 05.jpg
Thanks for uploading Image:Whelans 0904 05.jpg. I notice the 'image' page specifies that the image is being used under fair use, but its use in Wikipedia articles fails our first fair use criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed image could reasonably be found or created. If you believe this image is not replaceable, please:

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Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called David47. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name David47~enwiki that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name. If you think you might own all of the accounts with this name and this message is in error, please visit Special:MergeAccount to check and attach all of your accounts to prevent them from being renamed.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:21, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scott M Fisher

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete --Allen3 talk 00:49, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

Scott m fisher, Scott M Fisher and BIO OF SCOTT M FISHER
(there is also a link in Fisher to be deleted)

Looks like a fairly large article focusing on a subject that is not as notable as it claims --Mysidia 00:52, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. Copy-and-paste of a non-notable individual's resume. - Thatdog 01:01, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete both, resume dump. Dcarrano 03:18, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * An impressive CV, 2besure, but the Queen would still not salute him. Delete. Denni ☯ 03:58, 2005 July 17 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-notable and on principle because of lack conformity to Wiki standards. -- RHaworth 06:32, 2005 July 17 (UTC)
 * Delete. Per RHaworth. Lomedae 12:08, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete. IIRC, we've already deleted this article before.  Almafeta 13:08, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Strong Speedy Delete Vanity MicroFeet 00:48, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete as blatant spam and vandalism. jni 07:40, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Hurlingham

Hurlingham may refer to:

Places

 * Hurlingham, Buenos Aires, a city in the Buenos Aires Province of Argentina
 * Hurlingham Partido, a department of Buenos Aires Province, Argentina
 * Hurlingham, a suburb of Johannesburg, South Africa
 * Hurlingham, a suburb of Nairobi, Kenya
 * Hurlingham Gardens, a suburb of Johannesburg, South Africa. It is located in Region B
 * The southern part of Fulham, London, United Kingdom

Sports

 * The Hurlingham Club, a sports club in the southwest of London, England, world headquarters of polo
 * The Hurlingham Club (Argentina), a sports and polo club in Argentina
 * Hurlingham Open, a polo competition in Argentina
 * Hurlingham Park, a multi-use stadium in Fulham, England
 * The Hurlingham Polo Association (HPA), the governing body for polo in the United Kingdom and Ireland
 * Hurlingham Club Ground, a cricket ground in Buenos Aires, Argentina
 * Hurlingham Trieste

Music
Hurlinghum, Cyber, Chaka Place

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User talk:Malkinius

Welcome!
Hello, Malkinius, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thanks for your contributions; I hope you like it here and decide to stay. We're glad to have you in our community! Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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I hope you enjoy editing and being a Wikipedian. Although we all make mistakes, please keep in mind what Wikipedia is not. If you have any questions or concerns, don't hesitate to see the help pages or add a question to the village pump. The Community Portal can also be very useful.

Happy editing!

-- Sango  123  00:52, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

P.S. Feel free to leave a message on my talk page if you need help with anything or simply wish to say hello. :)

Kajira
Your most recent edits to that article were utterly incoherent, leaving random links and personal signatures lying around in random places (not to mention leaving the article without any categories at all, which is against Wikipedia rules). If you can't do better, then please just don't bother. AnonMoos 06:53, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

P.S. It's a logogram, not an "ideogram"[sic]. AnonMoos 18:31, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

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The name invalid is reserved by the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) as a domain name that may not be installed as a top-level domain in the Domain Name System (DNS) of the Internet.

Reserved DNS names
In 1999, the Internet Engineering Task Force reserved the DNS labels example, invalid, localhost, and test so that they may not be installed into the root zone of the Domain Name System.

The reasons for reservation of these top-level domain names is to reduce the likelihood of conflict and confusion. This allows the use of these names for either documentation purposes or in local testing scenarios.

Purpose
This top-level domain is sometimes used as a pseudo domain name in Uniform Resource Identifiers (URIs) to convey either an error condition or in use of privacy protection. A notable instance of this usage is in the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) where the domain name anonymous.invalid in a SIP URI indicates hiding of a caller's identity.

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B. J. Ward (actress)

Betty Jean Ward (born September 12, 1944) is an American actress. She is the creator and the star of Stand-Up Opera, a musical one-woman show.

Personal life
Ward was first married to Donald Trenner in 1966, they divorced in 1978, She was later married to director Gordon Hunt from 1995 until his death in 2016.

Early career
She made her debut on the stage in 1960, in the original off-Broadway production of The Fantasticks, where she was an understudy for the role of Luisa/the Girl. B.J. Ward had gotten the part by calling the producer of the show.

She toured with the Groundlings for a short while before starting her own voice over career starting with Hanna-Barbera's Jana of the Jungle in 1978.

Singing career
Ward also worked as a singer. She is well known for her acclaimed one-woman show, "Stand-Up Opera", which became a massive success with critics and audiences alike. She has released seven albums throughout her singing career.

Though Ward is best known as a voice actress, she has also appeared on television. In 1985, she made a rare film appearance in the television film Malice in Wonderland alongside Elizabeth Taylor and Jane Alexander. She has guest-starred on television series such as Frasier, ER, and In-Laws.

Ward has also done voices for video games and theme parks, including:
 * Voices for EPCOT and Disneyland Paris, including the safety narration for Spaceship Earth from 1994 to 2007.
 * The narration of the former PeopleMover attraction at Disneyland.
 * Mother / Sarah in the 1993 version of the Walt Disney's Carousel of Progress.
 * Some of the singing voices ("Burrow's Rabbit", opossums and rabbits) in Splash Mountain
 * The current voice guide for "It's a Small World" and the refurbished Tomorrowland Transit Authority PeopleMover attraction at Magic Kingdom Park.

Discography

 * Vocal Ease (1970)
 * Queen Of The Night (1994)
 * Stand-Up Opera (1995)
 * Syrinx: Voice of the Songbird (2003)
 * B.J. Ward Sings Marshall Barer (2005)
 * Double Feature: Love Songs From The Movies (2015)
 * Double Feature 2: More Songs From The Movies! (2016)

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User talk:Kama

Welcome!
Hello, Kama, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thanks for your contributions; I hope you like it here and decide to stay. We're glad to have you in our community! Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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I hope you enjoy editing and being a Wikipedian. Although we all make mistakes, please keep in mind what Wikipedia is not. If you have any questions or concerns, don't hesitate to see the help pages or add a question to the village pump. The Community Portal can also be very useful.

Happy editing!

-- Sango  123  00:53, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

P.S. Feel free to leave a message on my talk page if you need help with anything or simply wish to say hello. :)

Re: dealing with contested entries?
Exclusion and ridicule between editors on Wikipedia is outrageous. Please give me examples of the mentioned behavior (point out edits on the Devadasi history page), and I will definitely look into this further and try my best to help. Regards, Sango  123  01:27, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

Kama and the Devadasi
I did not make a link to my business pages but to a page that dealt with the Devadasi on my website, however I have not replaced that link but put a link to an interview that is not on my website and has no link to my personal business website. I have no wish to use this site for self-promotion and as such I will not put that link back, but it was not linked to my business pages but did have a link to them, and as such I am happy not to put that link.

I could have understood it if just that link had been deleted as that is a matter that deserves consideration but to delete my other contributions is senseless and I think that it is obvious to see from your other comments that you have come here after harassing me on my blog just to cause trouble.

I can sing very well and I can dance so stop the silly games and offer something that is constructive.

If you can offer well referenced contributions then do so but do not delete my contributions just because you have a problem with me.

Revert
I'm deeply sorry for any difficulties you've experienced because of this. I've reverted the Devadasi article to your last version on 08:59, July 17, 2005, with the exception of removing one link to see if the anonymous user ceases the harassment. The article is now on my watchlist, so changes can be monitored. Regards, Sango  123  15:24, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

 * First off, stay as calm as possible; it is not your fault if others cannot adhere to Civility and No personal attacks. It was very wise of you to list Devadasi at Third opinion. I've left notes on JuliaJ's and Santap's talk pages asking them for their explanations and viewpoints. Please alert me if anyone violates the WP:3RR rule; let's hope things are resolved soon. Regards, Sango  123  17:01, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

 * How do you like the current version of the Devadasi article? Sango  123  14:56, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

Devadasi
I'm glad you find it somewhat acceptable. And please... if you aren't satisfied with that paragraph, go ahead and revise it. That's why the edit this page tab is available to everyone. :) Sango  123  15:19, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * You're right; let's leave the article a bit and see how it settles. The last sentence you left on my talk page— "I think this episode shows how wikipedia can really work"— very eloquently summarizes this occurrence. :) Kindest regards, Sango  123  15:46, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * Don't worry; I'll make sure to keep an eye on it when I'm on Wikipedia. Sango  123  20:18, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

Sango's RfA
Hi, Kama. Thank you very much for supporting my RfA! I am honored to have your endoresment and hope to live up to your praise as an administrator. Sango 123  01:29, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

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User:Sykil

I'm normal.

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Photo by John Arundel, November 2004.

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Talk:Thomas Noe

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"Among those whose donations have caught the attention of investigators are:

City Councilman Betty Shultz; former state representative Sally Perz, her husband, Joe, and her daughter, Allison; former county elections director Joe Kidd; county Auditor Larry Kaczala and his wife, Gina; County Commissioner Maggie Thurber and her husband, Sam; and two of Mr. Noe’s co-workers at Vintage Coins and Collectibles, partner Tim Lapointe and executive assistant Susan Metzger. Mr. Lapointe’s wife, Linda, also donated."

Bernadette Noe
Ms. Noe's Own Scandal: Wife of Ohio GOP fundraiser does some election reform of her own, Raw Story, August 1(?), 2005

=References= Most references can be found at www.coingate.info. References which may not be included there are listed below.

Ohio quarter dollar takes flight, April 1/Jan 4, 2002 (Coin World)
 * "The Ohio Commemorative Quarter Program Committee attended, including chairman Noe; Coin World Editor Beth Deisher; and Bill Kamb, president of the Columbus Numismatic Society."

Ohio Quarter Concept, June 12, 2000
 * "Tom Noe, Chairman of the Ohio Commemorative Quarter Program Committee points to a design during discussion by the committee, in Columbus, Ohio, on Monday, June 12, 2000. Five finalists were announced today." (JACK KUSTRON/photoj.com)

''New Member of Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee Appointed. Member Noe Tenders Resignation'', May 31, 2005
 * "CCAC Member Tom Noe submitted his resignation, effective May 26, 2005. Mr. Noe served as Chairperson since October 1, 2004."

Newly-Established Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee Welcomes Members, May 16, 2003
 * "Mr. Thomas W. Noe of Maumee, Ohio was recommended by Speaker Hastert of the United States House of Representatives. Mr. Thomas W. Noe is the founder and president of Vintage Coins and Collectibles, and served as the Chairman of the Ohio Commemorative Quarter Committee."

Federal grand jury indicts GOP contributor; Prominent donor charged with funneling $45,400 to Bush re-election bid
 * "A coin dealer and major GOP donor at the center of a scandal in Ohio state government was charged Thursday with illegally funneling $45,400 in contributions to President Bush’s re-election campaign. Thomas Noe was accused in a federal indictment of giving money directly or indirectly to 24 friends and associates, who then made the campaign contributions in their own names. In that way, he skirted the $2,000 limit on individual contributions, prosecutors said."

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VF-2

VF-2 could refer to one of a following US Navy squadrons that carried the designation:

 * VF-2 (1927–1942)
 * VF-2 (1943–1945)
 * VFA-2 - established as VF-2 in 1972.

title: VF-2


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Caffeyville, Missouri

Caffeyville is an unincorporated community in Laclede County, Missouri, United States, along the former U.S. Route 66. It is located approximately five miles (8 km) southwest of Lebanon on Route W, adjacent to Interstate 44.

The community has the name of Jessie Floyd Caffey, the proprietor of a gas station.

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User talk:Hiphopgame

Welcome from Redwolf24
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