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Talk:Makybe Diva

Wikification
This article badly needs wikification and to conform to standard layout. I'm inserting the wikify tag. --K. 23:55, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

The above wikify tag was taken out after very little improvement, I'm putting it back in because it is still nowhere near up to scratch. Remy B 06:51, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

GO MAKYBE DIVA!!!! WIN THE CUP TOMORROW!!!!!

Expansion
I feel the article needs some major work commited to it aswell as a major expansion due to the hourse now being regarded as a sporting icon in australia, --Munnday 05:42, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Re write with full race record (dark horse 03:15, 5 July 2006 (UTC))

Extra
Its even bet pharlaps record..

What a bloody amazing horse. Three Cups!!! Unheard of. And I had money on her to win!!! Take that bookies!

--- Yes Im sure your $5 brought the bookies to their knees.

Copyright free photo
Anyone got a photo we can use???

Done(dark horse 02:50, 6 July 2006 (UTC))

Post Race reactions
I've added a reference to Lee Freedman's great comment after the race that only a small child will likely live long enough to see another horse win three. Cite: http://www.sportal.com.au/horseracing.asp?i=news&id=73454

I've also added a paragraph about the trak watering issue as well. Cite: http://www.ozeform.com/site/news/news.aspx?id=1903

Sorry for not putting the cites in the article as I'm not sure how to do that. Lisiate 02:01, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Is the comment regarding the track watering issue necessary ? Following injuries related to the hardness of the track at Flemington during the 2002 Melbourne Cup the VRC have had a consistent policy of preparing its racetrack to a condition on the morning of the race that will allow it to improve to the ideal "Good" condition by race time. This was done for the 2005 Melbourne Cup, and for every other meeting held at Flemington this season. Melbourne was forecast it's first 30+ degree day in 6 months on Cup day, and additional water was added to prevent the track drying too quickly (as Flemington is want to do). The track was upgraded to a "Good" rating at 3.25pm and the time for the race was 3.19.79  It is worth noting that in the State of Victoria, the ruling body has a firm policy of not racing on racetracks rated harder than 'Good' and the preparation of the Flemington track on Melbourne Cup day 2005 was fully consistent with that policy. There was some controversy at the time, so Lisiate's edit is not factually incorrect, but it seems a pity to grubby the achievement of the mare with an account of what amounts to an unsubstantiated conspiracy theory. Tontonan 23:23, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Perhaps the solution would be to note the VRC's track policy in the article to clarify the issue?Lisiate 23:44, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

 * i think that tontonan makes a very good point. Whilst there is a certain amount of controversy with many famous race victories whether that be interference, track state, whatever, it has to be pointed out that the track was fully consisttent with the VRC policy. (dark horse 05:03, 6 July 2006 (UTC))

 * Okay, I've added the following at the end of the relevant section: "However these criticisms ignored the fact that it is the Victorian Racing Club's policy to water tracks to avoid racing on overly hard surfaces." - Perhaps Tonton might like to expand Lisiate 23:42, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Lisiate - that is fine by me. I am a Wiki dunce and have made several attempts to comment but my messages have been going nowhere.  Nice edit, balances things well.Tontonan 03:36, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Better yes, but it gives the impression of post race sour grapes when in fact some owners complained the previous day about track watering, not after the race. Moriori 03:44, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm with Tonto on this. Let's look at the facts.

1. The race time was 3min 19.17sec which was 2.9 seconds outside of Kingston Rule's 1990 track record. Hardly what you could call a "doctored" track. In the fifteen years since then there have been 8 races which have been run in slower times than Makybe Diva's 2005 run - see List of Melbourne Cup winners.

2. It would be an unusual Melbourne Cup which did not have some pre and post race comments and and a bit of spin doctoring. Gai Waterhouse and John Hawkes had vested interests in the race and are hardly shrinking violets when it comes to providing the racing hacks with a comment or three.

3. Leaving those comments in the article detracts from the mares achievement. I think they should be removed. - Cuddy Wifter 07:00, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Please remove the conspiracy theory it will only detract in latter years from a truly remarkable achievement. She would have won on any track!

 * i have had a think and i'm all for removing the comments. There are controversies / comments everywhere in racing that at the end of the day should not detract from the winner, they do not even need to be mentioned. (dark horse 01:17, 13 July 2006 (UTC))

Really don't like the section about the track watering conspiracy. The club has watered the track before other Cups, but there's no mention of that. There's also no mention of the fact that the track was suitable for ALL horses, or that punters heavily backed several other horses in betting on the race, or that most of the controversy seemed to spring up - as sour grapes - after the race. Nor is there mention that the reason for watering is to prevent injury.

Objective?
Isn't this meant to be objective? These are not:

"Makybe Diva stamped herself as the champion stayer of the modern era."

- "The"? After only the 2nd Cup?

"She proceeded to take Sydney's most important WFA race, The BMW, with a sensational last-to-first burst."

Yes, but it was arguably a rather weak race. Grand Armee had no form at 2400m. The horses behind him were not great.

"In driving rain the mare defeated one of the strongest Melbourne Cup fields in years,"

"strongest"?

" featuring multiple Irish St. Leger winner Vinnie Roe, Caulfield Cup winners Mummify and Elvstroem, highly regarded European stayer Mamool from the Godolphin stable, as well as the 2002 Melbourne Cup winner Media Puzzle. "The judge and jury 23:59, 18 October 2006 (UTC) The Judge and Jury

Mummify had a poor record on wet tracks. There's no proof Elvstroem could get the distance. There's no proof Mamool properly acclimatised to Australian conditions, similarly to many others of the highly touted overseas runners (e.g. Oscar Schindler and Drum Taps). Also didn't Mamool break down during the race? Media Puzzle had had a very bad injury which meant he had raced only 2 or 3 times since his Cup win.

"By her victory on the rain affected Flemington track, Makybe Diva stamped herself as the champion stayer of the modern era."

The champion? Very subjective!

"The mare further enhanced her reputation as one of Australia's greatest turf icons with a comfortable victory in the 2005 Cox Plate,"

"Australia's greatest turf icons" is rather subjective too.

However these criticisms ignored the fact that it is the Victorian Racing Club's policy to water tracks to avoid racing on overly-hard surfaces.

But have they not left some of these surfaces unwatered since? I have seen people on Australian racing forums claim this to be the case. The judge and jury 00:01, 19 October 2006 (UTC) The Judge and Jury
 * Because of stuff like you have mentioned, I added POV-- HamedogTalk|@ 13:42, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Half the article is subjective at best. The track watering issue is something that did happen and should be included in any accurate record of the horses career. Several other race meetings have gone ahead without the track being watered, that is fact and it makes the whole track watering policy an absolute farce.
 * I really can't agree with the above comments. The fact that the horse won the Cox and three Melbourne Cups speaks for itself. Not many would dispute, say Kingston Town being named as an "Australian Sporting Icon". Yet he did not win even one Melbourne Cup. The same applies to Tulloch. Makybe Diva simply captured the heart of the nation. I know people who were in Australia for a year, know absolutely nothing about racing, and yet are very familiar with the Diva's exploits. To my mind, she certainly deserves all the accolades in this article. It is not biassed. Wallie 23:59, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * You strayed off the point Wallie, which was well made by the previous poster. Something happened, it doesn't happen in all cases, and to not mention it is censoring history. A factual report is all that is needed. Moriori 03:04, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

The article is more subjective now. : The Judge and jury.

The "watering" controversy
Reading material across the web and particularly in the marketing/merchandising side of the Diva, it appears that many people believe the track watering controversy is frivolous and overblown. Curiously, however, many of these are the exact same people elevating the Diva to a level with Phar Lap. I am skeptical.

Dare to compare: Phar Lap crossed the Pacific Ocean and beat a class American field, running on a dirt track for the first time in his career, and winning by going away after trailing the field by seven lengths. The owner of Phar Lap did not expect the best horses in America to come down and beat him on his track; he went up there and beat them on theirs.

The same can hardly be said of Makybe Diva. Her handlers were extorting the VRC and threatening not to run her unless they gave her preferential treatment and watered their track. The VRC complied, and then made up a fictitious story about it being normal proceedure, which was later exposed as a phony story.

I love the Diva. But facts are facts, and opinions are opinions; and as long as people continue to express the opinion that the Diva is another Phar Lap, then facts need to be examined, and for that reason alone the "track watering" debacle should be a permanent sticky.

Besides, what we are talking about here is a handicap race. The Melbourne Cup is a terrific race, the one that stops the nation. But champions are decided at WFA, not handicaps. Phar Lap destroyed a top-class American field, in their backyard, at a championship distance, running on a dirt surface for the first time, and doing it at WFA. He was an Australian AND an American champion. The Diva's accomplishment is one for the ages, but it does not rise to the level of Phar Lap. If anything, the Diva should be compared with Sunline, who won one more Cox Plate than the Diva, and that race is considered the true championship of Australasia. I can't say which girl is better; those two sheilas are the two greatest mares to race in Australia in the past 25 years, and perhaps of all time.

 * The facts speak for themselves. Old timers overblow a horse's reputation over the years. When I was younger all you ever heard about was Gloaming and Nightmarch. Later, it was Phar Lap. Makybe Diva has done far more than these animals put together, and is now up there with the likes of Secretariat, Man O' War and Nijinsky. Wallie 09:05, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Right on. It's also worth remembering that a lot of Phar Lap's races had less than 10 starters (some as few as 5 or 6).

Keir59.167.51.240 (talk) 09:32, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

If anything, the Diva should be compared with Sunline, who won one more Cox Plate than the Diva, and that race is considered the true championship of Australasia. I hate to say it but this is an utterly ridiculous comparison. Sunline contested 3 Cox plates and won 2. Makybe contested only One Cox Plate for a convincing win. There is absolutely no evidence to say that if she had contested 3 of them too, she would not have won them. Not just that, comparing a middle distance horse to a stayer is considered absurd anyway. I could just as easily argue that Makybe won 3 more Melbourne Cups than Sunline. "She run further carrying 2.5kgs more, so is clearly superior! So what if Sunline never tried!" It's a pointless and stupid argument.

I get you don't like the Makybe/Phar lap comparison. Some people don't. But making absurd comparisons like Sunline v Makybe does not help that argument at all. Phar Lap was easily Australias greatest gelding, and Makybe is easily Australias greatest mare. Of which is better is a question that can never be answered, and nor should anyone be as presumptuous as to try. But the Makybe/Phar lap comparison will always make more sense than Makybe/Sunline because they were both stayers with impressive Melbourne Cup wins.

Onto the Track Watering thing. Blaming the Diva and her handlers for that is absurd. It does not take a genius to remember that Dermot Weld threatened to boycott the Cup in 2003 because of the condition of the hard track in 2002.

Weld threatens cup boycott over hard track

By John Schell August 20, 2003

"If you expect to get European runners again to run in the race, you are going to have to do something with your track," he told 2KY.

Racing Victoria equine business development manager Mark Player said he would contact Weld to discuss his concerns.

"I sent off a fax to Dermot outlining RVL's policy on the preparation of tracks. It clearly states that safety for the horses is the priority and that means that if an error is to be made, we should err on the side of preparing tracks with more cushion in it," he said.

Godolphin trainer Saeed bin Suroor said: "Our horses got beaten by the ground. It was too fast for them."

Weld said Media Puzzle was likely to resume racing over 2800 metres at Fairyhouse next weekend. He said Vinnie Roe was "less likely" to travel to Melbourne.

"Look, I'd love to come back but there is no way I'm going to bring horses to race on a track that's as firm as it was on that day."

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/08/19/1061261154430.html?from=storyrhs

Something he continued to advocate in 2005, the Diva's last win. Watering puts stayers on safe ground

By Adrian Dunn October 31, 2005

The renowned Irish trainer made an impassioned plea for the Victorian Racing Club to present a track at Flemington for the Melbourne Cup that offers safe ground.

Weld said he was not asking for a soft track, but one that allowed all horses to return safely and continue their careers.

Weld, who will walk the track today and again tomorrow, said his position was no different to last year.

Weld said Vinnie Roe would not run if he wasn't happy with the track.

English trainer Mark Tompkins echoed Weld's sentiments about watering the track so it would be prepared with safety as a priority.

Tompkins said he wanted every horse to come out of the race without injury.

He said the Flemington track was perfect when Franklins Gardens galloped last Tuesday, but noted the track had dried out.

"It was quite firm ground on Saturday. I hope they do water," Tompkins said. http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,17087941-32343,00.html

Feel free to think it gave her an unfair advantage - but to accuse her handlers of extortion over it when it was very widely publicised that it was the international trainers who were unhappy with the hard track is going overboard. As you say though, facts are facts, and opinions are opinions, and thankfully for the handlers of the Diva, the facts are well published. That Policy existed prior to November 2003, as is shown in the above article. --Inflexus (talk) 01:12, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

General
Can you please be careful with your additions? It is extremely obvious you're a huge fan of the Diva. But that's not the idea - encyclopedias are meant to be objective. Yes, MD ran well in Sydney in Autumn 2004 (it's hard to disagree) but moreso I think her form improved up there. As for the Sydney Cup being her main goal...well, do you have proof? Why aim at a 700k race which is ok on the CV when the BMW is worth 2 million, is wfa and puts the horse in HOY contention? Even then if a MC-wining BMW fancy pulls up well from the BMW it could continue on to the Sydney Cup. (I suspect this is what happened.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by The judge and jury (talk • contribs).

--The judge and jury 07:09, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

The Sydney Cup was never her main aim in the Autumn of 2004 at all. It was widely stated at the time that the BMW was the aim. Infact, the horse was floated back to Melbourne following the BMW and only came back to Sydney for the Cup as an afterthough when the true weakness of the race was confirmed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.100.32.145 (talk) 23:32, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

When are people going to stop vandalising this talk page?
Surely that's not too hard to do?--The judge and jury 08:20, 4 November 2007 (UTC)--The judge and jury 08:20, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Neutrality and Unsourced
The horse is not "Australian". She is a British-bred racehorse. Wallie (talk) 08:01, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * This is another disruptive edit by Wallie, who is on an anti-Australia crusade. Look in the info box. It shows the country of foaling as Great Britain. There is no dispute here except in your mind.Cuddy Wifter (talk) 22:51, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * This is not true. I am definitely not on an anti-Australian crusade. The horse was foaled in Britain, and this should be pointed out in the first sentence, as it is in nearly all other articles related to horses. By calling the horse Australian to my mind is POV. I have placed a tag. This is a legitimate dispute over supposed bias. Please do not revert item. Wallie (talk) 11:37, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Where a horse is foaled is not why it is notable, so why does it need to be in the lead paragraph? Please provide a citation which states that Makybe Diva is anything other than an Australian horse. Cuddy Wifter (talk) 23:18, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Cuddy Wifter. There has to be a format. Nearly every horse article starts out saying where it was foaled and the date. Any professional organization gets it right. For example, the Australian Racing Museum. To call the horse "Australian" is highly POV, and wrong. When someone challenges this, you say "This is another disruptive edit by Wallie, who is on an anti-Australia crusade.". Please try to be professional. Thank you. Wallie (talk) 08:46, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Update. The horse now has foaled in UK. I will remove the POV tag. :) Thanks. Wallie (talk) 08:38, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You have no right to impose any format on articles without proper discussion. The articles from the Australian Racing Museum appear to vary in format from horse to horse anyway. You can't just cherry pick one that is to your liking. Makybe Diva belongs to the category of Australian racehorses. It is of course correct that she was bred in the UK, and that fact is duly pointed out in the article. It is interesting that a Kiwi editor should object, especially as Makybe Diva was also widely reported as being an Australian racehorse by the popular press in NZ. I’ve yet to see any objection from UK editors. Indeed, Makybe Diva does not appear to be included in the category of British racehorses. This article should be geared towards the average layperson, not aficionados of horseracing. For those with a special interest in horse bloodlines or pedigree there are other online references which are far superior to what Wikipedia can offer. I could say a little more about the reasons that have motivated this one particular editor to embark on his particular path of revisions, Makybe Diva is certainly not the only example, but I shall hold back on that for the present. Ernest the Sheep (talk) 21:06, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * OK. I have corrected it. The horse is now in the cateogory you mentioned. Wallie (talk) 09:20, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * LoL Ernest the Sheep (talk) 10:49, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Blanket reverts
Once again, there has been a blanket revert. Please do not do this. Thanks. Wallie (talk) 16:50, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * What! Another one, Ernest. :) Please discuss things one at a time. Wallie (talk) 13:53, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Feel free to respond to my above comment. Ernest the Sheep (talk) 19:50, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Prior to racing
These sentences in the article "The filly was offered for sale at the December 2000 Tattersall's sales but did not make the reserve. Called Makybe Diva, the filly remained at Britton House Stud until August of 2000, when she and Tugela were shipped to Australia" may contain one or more errors because it doesn't make sense that she would have been offered for sale, in Britain, in "December 2000" if she had already been shipped to Australia in "August of 2000"

 * Good point. I found this reference to the 1999 Tatts Newmarket foal sale, which seems more logical. Cuddy Wifter (talk) 05:51, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Distances in feet
Can someone please either let me know what the go is with a number of the race distances being espressed in feet or just delete them? I haven't found any other horse racing pages on Wikipedia that express distances in feet, and it just looks stupid.Pittsburghpenguin (talk) 12:17, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Weight carried relative to the weight-for-age scale (Third Cup)
I believe there may be one or more errors in these sentences: "Makybe Diva carried 58 kg during the record third Melbourne Cup, 2.5 kg above the standard weight-for-age scale. The last horse to carry more than weight-for-age and win was Rain Lover, who was 2 kg over when he won his second cup in 1969, with 60.5 kg." This is a complex area because the weight-for-age scale has undergone a number of changes over the years, especially in the last few years. I have also found it as good as impossible to find copies of the scale, for the different eras, on the web. Nonetheless, I wouldn't be surprised to find that weight-for-age for five-year-old stallion, as Rain Lover was in 1969, at two miles may have been the equivalent of 59.5 kilograms, which would make the weight he carried one kilogram, rather than two, above the scale. As to Makybe Diva, could somebody please confirm what weight-for-age was for a seven-year-old mare over 3,200 metres in 2005? Pittsburghpenguin (talk) 12:53, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

 * Miller's Guide shows weight-for-age for 5 year old+ over 3200 metres in November 2005 to be 58.5 kg (less mares allowance of 2.5 kg) = 56.0 kg. There is no allowance for horses foaled in the northern hemisphere which are 5 years old and upwards. The weight-for-age scale shown at Australian Rules of Racing - Weight for Age Scale - see AR.104 was amended on Jan 1 2007. Cuddy Wifter (talk) 04:52, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

 * Thanks for that. It would appear, then, that the article should read that she carried two kilos (rather than 2.5) above weight-for-age, but I am still unconvinced that the Rain Lover reference is correct because I know that from, 1977, at least, weight-for-age for a five-year-old stallion was 59.5 kilos, so I would be surprised if he was two kilos over weight-for-age when he won Pittsburghpenguin (talk) 08:08, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

 * I found an old scale for 1969 which shows WFA for a 5 year old at 2 miles in November to be 9 st 5 lbs or 59.5kg. So Rain Lover did carry one kilo above WFA. Cuddy Wifter (talk) 21:17, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

 * Thanks - have updated the article accordingly Pittsburghpenguin (talk) 10:58, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

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Who. That.
These 2 sentences would make much more sense with a “who” (instead of “that”);

 * The last horse to carry more than weight-for-age and win was Rain Lover, that was 1 kg over when he won his second cup in 1969, with 60.5 kg. Makybe Diva, that broke her own weight-carrying record for a mare of 55.5 kg, which she set in 2004, was the highest-weighted winner of the Cup since Think Big won his second Melbourne Cup with 58.5 kg in 1975.

Is there a reason a horse can’t be a “who”? If so, consider dividing each sentence as;

 * The last horse to carry more than weight-for-age and win was Rain Lover. He was 1 kg over when he won his second cup in 1969, with 60.5 kg. In 2005, Makybe Diva broke her own weight-carrying record for a mare of 55.5 kg, which she set in 2004. She was the highest-weighted winner of the Cup since Think Big won his second Melbourne Cup with 58.5 kg in 1975.MBG02 (talk) 00:48, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

 * Agree. Certainly in UK & Ireland we would always use "who". I wonder if this is a feature of Australian English.  Tigerboy1966  05:44, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

 * I checked some other Aussie horses, and they get a “who”; and found the “that” author was an IP address in May 2014; so looks (to me) like it was changed to see if it would remain. The next edit was stupid too, and when reverted, returned to the (stupid) “that” version. MBG02 (talk) 08:50, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Lumiya

Back in the Real World...
Could someone maybe add in details of where all this stuff comes from? If it's comics, which comics and who published them and when and where? Cite sources and all that....

 * Yes, she is indeed a character from the 1970s "Star Wars" comics published by Marvel. According to the last external link on the current version of the article, the references are the old Marvel Comics, issues 60-61, 63, 88, 95, 96, 100 and on, and "Lumiya: Dark Star of the Empire", a West End Games supplement published in Star Wars Galaxy Magazine #3. Luis Dantas 17:48, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Vong apprentice
Where is this info on a Vong apprentice? --Psi edit

Here Although as far as I know right now the fact that Lumiya is the master is just fan speculation at the moment. --JoJoTrue 15:39, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

 * That isn't canon. --User:Jedi6 11-1-05

 * It is in the Jans Orr section ("There is a dangerous Force-strong Yuuzhan Vong loose in the galaxy, and judging from her powers, it is clear that she hasa master . . ."?), and it is canon- Wizards, and more generally, RPG/Games info on characters is canon except for game mechanics. That is story, so it does not fall into that exception. --Maru (talk) Contribs 05:08, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't think he was saying that the info isn't canon, but rather that the fan speculation isn't canon. Which would be correct.

Accurate History
In the succession box it lists Darth Krayt as the succesor of Lumiya after she rules as Dark Lady by herself. What happened to Jacen Solo becoming her sith apprentice?

 * What source has Jacen as her apprentice? --Jon Hart 20:04, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

 * 'e's probably referring to Betrayal. I haven't read it, so I can't comment further... --maru  (talk)  contribs 23:53, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

 * It goes like this, I believe. Lumiya --> Jacen Solo --> Darth Krayt I've changed is as such. Also, Flint and Carnor Jax were not Dark Lords of the Sith. They were apprentices. I have changed it as such. R  e  lentless  Rouge  16:35, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Correct me if I'm wrong, but as of the end of Betrayal, Jacen had agreed only to further explore the teachings of the Sith. As far as I know, he had not pledged himself as Lumiya's apprentice, and certainly had not become a Dark Lord of the Sith. As to Flint and Carnor Jax, yes, they were apprentices, but so were Maul, Dooku, Vader, etc. Lumiya's order appears to be maintaining Darth Bane's ruling that both Master and apprentice are Dark Lords of the Sith. Jon Hart 19:26, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Well, he hasn't formally pledged himself, no. But c'mon, it strains credulity to think that after murdering a fellow Jedi, tempering with Ben's brain, believing Lumiya, and drawing on the Dark side that he isn't on her side now. Luke never officially became Palpatine's apprentice either, as I recall. --maru  (talk)  contribs 01:30, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Redirect
This is entirely in-universe plot summary, with not citations to third-party sources to establish notability. I am redirecting this to List of Star Wars characters. --EEMIV (talk) 14:27, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

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Enid Woodring Regional Airport

Enid Woodring Regional Airport is a city-owned, public-use airport located four nautical miles (5 mi, 7 km) southeast of the central business district of Enid, a city in Garfield County, Oklahoma, United States. It is also referred to as Woodring Airport and was formerly known as Enid Woodring Municipal Airport. This airport is included in the National Plan of Integrated Airport Systems for 2011–2015, which categorized it as a general aviation facility. It is mostly used for military training flights based at Vance Air Force Base.

Scheduled passenger flights on Great Lakes Airlines to Denver and Liberal were discontinued in August 2006. The service was subsidized by the Essential Air Service program. From the early 1950s well into the 1960s, the airport was served by Central Airlines.

A new terminal building was built in 2019 and now contains the FBO service area, a Flight Planning Room, a Pilot Lounge, and conference room. There is also a restaurant in the terminal building. Outdoors is the Woodring Wall of Honor and Veterans Park, which honors Oklahoma veterans. Ceremonies are held annually on Memorial Day to honor fallen soldiers. A veterans museum at the site is open Thursdays through Saturdays.

History
Enid was the first city of Oklahoma to have a municipally owned airport. The airport was dedicated in 1928, and built on 80 acres of land donated by a citizen backed by the American Legion, and Enid passed a $50,000 bond, making it the first city in Oklahoma to use bonds to fund an airport.

I. A. Woodring
Enid's Airport was renamed Enid Woodring Municipal Airport on May 30, 1933, after Lieutenant Irvin A. (Bert) Woodring, born February 1, 1902, in Enid, Oklahoma. Irvin A. Woodring was one of the U.S. Army Air Corps' "Three Musketeers of Aviation" along with fellow pilots John J. Williams and William Lewers Cornelius. The group performed aerobatics at the National Air Races. J.J. Williams died in practice at Mines Field, Los Angeles on September 11, 1928. Charles Lindbergh, for whom the three had served as escorts, filled in following Williams death. Two weeks later, W. L. Cornelius died when his plane collided with another plane. On January 20, 1933, Bert Woodring fell 2,000 feet to his death over Wright Field in Dayton, Ohio, when his Consolidated P-30 fighter exploded in mid-air.

Historical airline service
Enid Woodring Regional Airport was served by commercial airlines from 1949 through 2006 with flights to Dallas, Denver, Kansas City, Oklahoma City, Tulsa, and Wichita. Central Airlines was the first carrier beginning in 1949. In 1967 Central merged with Frontier Airlines (1950-1986) which continued service until 1979. Several commuter airlines then served Enid which included: Air Midwest (1979-1981), Metro Airlines (1981-1986), Lone Star Airlines (1986-1998), Midcontinent Airlines dba as Braniff Express (1989), feeder carrier for Braniff (1983-1990), Big Sky Airlines (1999-2002), Mesa Airlines (2002-2005), and Great Lakes Airlines (2005-2006).

Facilities and aircraft
Enid Woodring Regional Airport covers an area of 1,256 acres (508 ha) at an elevation of 1,167 feet (356 m) above mean sea level. It has two runways: 17/35 is 8,613 by 100 feet (2625 x 30 m) with a concrete surface; 13/31 is 3,150 by 108 feet (960 x 33 m) with an asphalt surface.

For the 12-month period ending April 24, 2019, the airport had 35,000 aircraft operations, an average of 96 per day: 66% military, 32% general aviation, and 2% air taxi. At that time there were 73 aircraft based at this airport: 64 single-engine, 5 multi-engine, 3 jet, and 1 ultralight.

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Zartan

Zartan is a fictional character from the G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero toyline, comic books, and animated series. He is one of the main villains in the franchise as the leader of the Dreadnoks, and a mercenary who often worked directly for Cobra Commander. His character was voiced by Zack Hoffman in the 1985 TV series, and he was portrayed by Arnold Vosloo in the live-action film G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra and its 2013 sequel, G.I. Joe: Retaliation.

Profile
Zartan is a master of make-up and disguise. Very little is known of his background, but he is suspected to have received European military academy training at St. Cyr. Zartan can alter his skin color at will to blend in with his environment, and is a practitioner of several mystic martial arts. He is also a ventriloquist, a polyglot (speaking over 20 languages and dialects), and an acrobatic-contortionist. Zartan and the Dreadnoks have also been known to use holographic technology and other means to disguise themselves. He has a younger brother and sister, twins named Zandar and Zarana,   as well as a daughter named Zanya.

The Dreadnoks are a fictional biker gang from the G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero toyline, comic books, and cartoon series. They are affiliated with Cobra as shock troops, offering their mercenary services as subordinates of Zartan.

Toys
When Zartan was originally released in the toy line, it stated on his file card that he suffered from paranoid schizophrenia and multiple personality disorder. After a complaint from a mental health organization, Hasbro removed this information from the file for later print runs, and was not referenced on file cards for future releases of the character. In early development, he was called Captain Chameleon. He was later named Zartan, an anagram of Tarzan, by writer Larry Hama.

Vintage
The 1984 Zartan action figure featured UV reactive plastic. In its natural state, Zartan appeared white, but when exposed to sunlight, Zartan's skin changed to a dark blue. The action figure also came with thermal sensitive stickers that were applied to Zartan's chest- and thigh-armor. These stickers changed from maroon when cold, to aqua at room temperature, and blue when hot. Zartan was sold with an accompanying "swamp skier" called the Chameleon, which also contained thermal reactive plastic. The Chameleon could be disassembled into several parts and loaded into a small cart that was included with the action figure; the cart, loaded with the vehicle's parts, would act as part of a disguise, making Zartan appear to be a parts or junk dealer. A small face mask, included in a detachable backpack, completed the disguise. The action figures for Zartan's brother Zandar and sister Zarana were also constructed of the same UV reactive plastic.

Zartan was updated in 1993, as part of the Ninja Force line. A complete departure from his classic uniform, Zartan wore a leather jacket and neon green pants. Instead of a cowl, he wears a short orange mohawk on his otherwise bald head. All the Ninja Force figures were designed with a "real ninja move". Zartan was designed with a spring-action hip; if Zartan's right arm was pushed back, his upper torso turned right. When the arm was let go, the torso sprang back forward, resulting in a punching motion with the right arm.

After the line was canceled in 1994, Hasbro made several attempts to resurrect A Real American Hero through repaint series. Zartan was released only once in this four-year period (1997–2001) at the tail-end. Because of difficulty obtaining the original mold, Hasbro compromised, and repainted the 1990 SAW-Viper body with a modified Zartan head. Although true to the classic look, both this figure and the Ninja Force release are unpopular reinterpretations of the character.

Modern
When Hasbro revamped the Real American Hero toyline in 2002, Zartan made an appearance as a figure again. Zartan sports his trademark hood and an open vested shirt. This figure was offered with a variety of paint schemes including with disguises in the Spy Troops line.

In 2004, Zartan was redesigned again for Valor vs. Venom. Trading his hood for a ski cap, Zartan is the furthest from his biker roots here, retaining only the recognizable face markings to make him stand out.

Sigma 6 figures
In a new 8" scale, Sigma 6 figures were heavily stylized and inspired by Japanese anime. Zartan released in the "Commando" collection in 2006, featuring his Sigma 6 outfit. A repaint of this figure was released in 2007, featuring a new version of Zartan called "Toxic Zartan" featuring a new purple uniform, and green highlights.

25th Anniversary
2007 was the anniversary of the launch of G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero, the third major reinvention of the brand since 1964. To celebrate, Hasbro created new figures based on the A Real American Hero line, featuring modern sculpting with updated and increased articulation (including the replacement of 's trademark O-Ring construction). Zartan was unveiled at the 2007 San Diego Comic-Con, and the figure, based on designs from the Devil's Due comic series, included a removable mask and also changes color like its 1980s counterpart. A second 25th Anniversary-era figure, more closely hewing to the original figure from 1984, was released in 2008 that does not change color, but came with a scaled down version of the Chameleon swamp skier and two removable masks. Zartan was also released on the Hall of Heroes Line to commemorate the 25th anniversary figures. He came with three face masks, his trademark pistol and a sniper rifle.

Pursuit of Cobra
Zartan was released in the second wave of figures for the Pursuit of Cobra line in 2010. In a review of the action figure, MTV said that Zartan "one of the few JOE-verse characters that weren't stripped of all their coolness in the recent film", though still praised the action figure for not referencing the film, calling the figure "all-around amazing".

Marvel Comics
Zartan first appeared in issue #24 of the Marvel Comics series. He was fully introduced in : A Real American Hero #25 (July 1984). Zartan can imitate anyone he wishes to an exact physical and vocal likeness.

Zartan was featured in issue #48, where he had been brought into The Pit, the Joe's Headquarters, disguised as an injured Joe, Ripcord. He almost escapes, by impersonating various Joes, such as Doc, Tripwire, General Hawk and Gung-Ho. Zartan is confronted by Sgt. Slaughter while impersonating Gung-Ho, as the real Gung-Ho is standing next to him. Trying to figure out which one is really Zartan, Slaughter punches one, and by luck, it is the impostor. Zartan eventually does escape, with the help of the Dreadnoks. This leads to Cobra Commander's assault, which destroys the Pit.

Zartan is famous for delivering the killing blow to Serpentor during the Cobra Civil War, by shooting the Cobra emperor in the eye, with the same longbow that he used to kill the Hard Master years ago. After the war, Zartan leaves Cobra and the Dreadnoks, while his sister continues to work with Cobra. Zartan disguises himself as the Arashikage Blind Master, in order to mentor a boy named Tyrone. He eventually returns to Cobra Island, along with Billy, Captain Minh, and Tyrone, to expose Fred VII as an impostor pretending to be Cobra Commander. The mission is interrupted by the return of the real Cobra Commander, who traps Billy, Zartan, Fred VII, Tyrone, Captain Minh, Raptor, and several others in a landlocked freighter, which he then buries under a volcano. After several months of digging, Billy and Zartan manage to escape, while most of the others die from tainted food.

Action Force
Zartan also faced off against Shipwreck in the UK Action Force series.

Devil's Due
Devil's Due comics expanded on Zartan's origin and introduced his daughter, Zanya. Zartan and his siblings, Zandar and Zarana, grew up sometime during the early 1970s. As a child, he was diagnosed with an unknown mental health condition requiring medication. They were raised by their French actress mother and movie-mask sculptor father. They grew up in a broken home with a temperamental father.

Sometime after he began working as an assassin and mercenary, using his disguise abilities. Zartan also worked for a government agency under the name Amauri Sanderson. He underwent a top-secret French genetic experiment, which infused him with chameleon DNA, giving him the ability to blend into his background. During an arms deal with Destro, Amauri Sanderson met the leader of a motorcycle gang who was the original Zartan. Amauri joined the Dreadnoks and reunited with Zandar and Zarana. He was later approached by several Dreadnoks for the purpose of overthrowing the leader, who considered all the members expendable. When the insurrection was exposed, the leader planned to have Amauri executed by dismemberment. Zandar and Zarana incited a rival gang to attack, which gave them the opportunity to free their brother. The traitorous Dreadnoks teamed up with the rival gang, and Amauri fought and overpowered the leader and his rivals. With no one left to back him up, the leader was killed by Buzzer, Torch, and Ripper, and Amauri assumed the identity of Zartan.

IDW
Zartan is introduced in Origins. He was orphaned as a young boy, and made his way by pickpockets on the street. When he was confronted by the local police, he gave them the name "Zartan" that he saw on a movie poster behind them, eventually adopting it at the beginning of his named career. Years later, Zartan is a Cobra agent answering directly to the Baroness. He was tasked with infiltrating a presidential airliner, to ensure the continued cooperation of President Rumanapar. His mission is a success, and he contacts Baroness for extraction. Displeased with Zartan, Baroness sends him to be a test subject for Destro's teleportation device. Destro sends him to assassinate Nico Mandirobilis; however, the teleportation process was not finalized, and Zartan's body quickly disintegrated.

With Zartan's complete genetic map stored in the M.A.S.S.' Relay Star Satellites, Cobra geneticist Doctor Taggac was able to brew a plasmid medium, which injected into a blank clone body, reformatted the slug into a copy of Zartan. The body was corrupt, with unstable skin lividity, numerous cancers, renal failure and more. Taggac used bio-magnetic pads to stabilize the body, and began teaching Zartan how to live again. This instruction included both physical elements and basic language and math skills. Zartan's unique biology gave him the ability to change his appearance and skin tone, a skill which Taggac attempted to keep secret from Cobra. Eventually the magnetic pads were surgically implanted beneath the skin, giving him a normal appearance. He expressed a desire to leave the lab and go to the outside world, and days later he kills a guard and poses as wait staff, to escape before anyone notices he was gone.

Cobra agents track him using a subcutaneous transmitter, but he evades them, fakes his own death, and sneaks back into the lab. He pulls a gun on Taggac, and forces him to contact Cobra Commander. Zartan negotiates his services as an assassin, and when the terms are agreed upon, he kills Taggac.

Zartan later reappeared in IDW's reboot of Mobile Armoured Strike Kommand. Here, he identifies as "Emil Zartan" and infiltrates the MASK team to steal their technology so he can sell it.

Sunbow
Zartan appeared in the original G.I. Joe animated series. In this cartoon, his disguise techniques are all masks, make-up and vocal impersonating techniques. Zartan is also initially able to change the color of his skin to perfectly blend in with his background. Zartan's camouflage abilities are negated by the sun, causing his skin to turn blue (much like his action figure), and weakening him significantly. However, both aspects were dropped almost immediately after the first season began. "Jungle Trap" was the last episode to showcase this particular ability. Zartan was usually loyal to Cobra Commander and had a rivalry with Destro, who considered Zartan a petty criminal. He was also a more cowardly character, often fleeing battle when things turned against him.

He first appeared in the mini-series "The Revenge of Cobra", along with Dreadnoks Buzzer, Ripper and Torch. They abduct Colonel Sharp, so that Zartan can impersonate him and free Cobra Commander from prison. Zartan and the Dreadnoks recover a piece of Destro's Weather Dominator, offering to sell it to the highest bidder, Cobra or G.I. Joe.

Zartan had a prominent role in the first-season episode "Countdown for Zartan", in which he impersonates a French scientist and places a bomb within a defense center, where scientists from all over the world are meeting. He is exposed and imprisoned there by the Joes, who then search for the bomb. Zartan is pressured into giving its location by watching the time on his watch running out, allowing the Joes to disable the bomb in time. Zartan also had major roles in "The Synthoid Conspiracy", in which he creates the Synthoids, with which he helps Cobra replace Duke and several other G.I. Joe military commanders; and in "Cold Slither", in which he and the Dreadnoks form a heavy metal band in a Cobra plot.

In the second season, he expanded the Dreadnoks to include his younger siblings, Zarana and Zandar, as well as Monkeywrench and Thrasher. As part of Doctor Mindbender's plot to create Serpentor, Zartan stole the DNA of Aztec Emperor Montezuma, but his loyalty to Cobra Commander remained even after Serpentor took control of Cobra.

G.I. Joe: The Movie
In G.I. Joe: The Movie, Zartan is seen being angry with Cobra Commander, for blaming his lacking courage on the troops. Zartan is given a valuable gem by Pythona of Cobra-La, so that he and his Dreadnoks will aid them in freeing Serpentor. They accomplish their task, but Zartan himself is absent from then on, and is not seen during the final battle at the film's climax.

Spy Troops
Zartan appeared in the direct-to-video CGI animated movie G.I. Joe: Spy Troops, voiced by Colin Murdock.

G.I. Joe: Sigma 6
Zartan appeared in G.I. Joe: Sigma 6. His disguise techniques are due to hologram generators in his suit.

Resolute
Zartan makes two appearances in the G.I. Joe: Resolute series. He first appears in a flashback at the beginning of the series, where he injures Snake Eyes, and assassinates the Hard Master. He later appears near the end of the series, where he is leading a security force guarding a Cobra base. He manages to corner Duke and Scarlett, when Scarlett gives him the option to just leave, as Zartan is only a mercenary and not part of Cobra. Zartan refuses, saying that he enjoys killing people, as he aims to kill Scarlett, Duke shoots him in the back.

Renegades
Zartan first appears in the G.I. Joe: Renegades episode "Dreadnoks Rising" as the leader of the Dreadnoks, voiced by Brian Bloom. He reappears in "Knockoffs" and "Cutting Edge." While having a talent of impersonating people's voices, Zartan and his Dreadnoks have been terrorizing a local town, even capturing a local waitress named Wendy, causing Snake-Eyes to go rescue her. The other G.I. Joe members teach the town how to stand up to Zartan and the Dreadnoks. When the Dreadnoks present the captured Snake-Eyes bound in chains, Zartan fights the Joes. Zartan is taken down a notch when Snake-Eyes easily escapes at the right moment, and uses the chains as a weapon. Zartan is tackled by Sheriff Terry, who manages to defeat Zartan and arrest him. When Flint and Lady Jaye arrive in town to arrest Duke's team, they end up capturing Zartan and his Dreadnoks.

In "Knockoffs," Flint and Lady Jaye use Zartan to help them track down the Joes. He has Flint lend him a GPS, since he had a tracer on the motorcycle that Snake-Eyes stole from him. During the conflict between a Cobra transport, the Joes, and the Falcons, Zartan knocks out Lady Jaye and makes his way into a Cobra Van, where he equips himself with a chameleon-type wrist device. This outfits him in a suit (resembling the one used in the other cartoons), which will enable him to mask his appearance, by taking the form of anyone it scans. Zartan uses it to take the Cobra van and to get away from Flint. During the conflict, he tried to dispose of Scarlett by disguising himself as Duke. When the real Duke arrives, Snake-Eyes takes down Zartan, as his heartbeat is different from Duke's. Scarlett touches the suit, which results in a surge that leaves black burns around Zartan's eyes as she removes it. Zartan is taken back to prison while Baroness takes the chameleon mold to Cobra Commander. Due to the device acquiring the DNA of the first wearer, as part of the chameleon mold's "fail safe imprinting feature", Baroness ends up visiting Zartan in jail, where she makes a "get out of jail" offer that Zartan accepts.

In "Cutting Edge," Zartan posed as Cobra Commander in order to fool Jinx when she was hired to assassinate Cobra Commander.

Live action films
Zartan is played by Arnold Vosloo in Stephen Sommers's film G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra, with a drastically different appearance than his television counterpart. He is a master of disguise, able to mimic other peoples' mannerisms and characteristics. Sent by McCullen with the Baroness and Storm Shadow, Zartan breaks into the Pit and disguises himself as a G.I. Joe Pit member. He murders Cover Girl with a knife as she reports to General Hawk, taking them by surprise. When the two Cobra agents fight their way out soon after, Zartan takes an alternate route and kills off a nearby Bedouin, donning his clothing to escape detection by Pit members.

Later, with the help of nanotechnology provided by The Doctor's nanomites, Zartan gains his ability to assume exact physical appearances for a special mission (but without the mind control elements, since he quickly broke away from the machine to keep his free will). During the final battle, Zartan is sent to America using the missile crisis as a cover, where he infiltrates the White House as part of Cobra's plans for world domination, and assumes the identity of the President of the United States. Several times in the film, he whistles the tune "For He's a Jolly Good Fellow", including at the end of the film, confirming that he has taken the place of the President.

Vosloo reprises his role as Zartan in the 2013 sequel G.I. Joe: Retaliation, with a much larger role. According to Vosloo, Zartan is still in disguise as the U.S. President and he has the world leaders all under his thumb, war heads headed towards innocent populaces, and some new heavies on the payroll, to keep G.I. Joe at bay. Zartan orders air strikes on the G.I. Joes, killing a majority of them. He is later revealed to have been the one who killed the Hard Master and raised Storm Shadow as a ruthless assassin. Zartan is eventually killed by his former student, at which time his guise as the President finally fades.

Video games
Zartan is one of the featured villains in the 1985 G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero computer game.

In other media

 * Zartan has been featured in episodes of Robot Chicken. He first appears in "Joint Point." He returns in "More Blood, More Chocolate" voiced by Seth Green and "P.S. Yes, In That Way."
 * Zartan is mentioned in the Jamie Madrox song "Hey Phatty".
 * Zartan appeared in the 2009 parody video The Ballad of G.I. Joe, portrayed by Billy Crudup.

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4...exd4
Although I wrote the original text suggesting 5.c3 in response to 4...exd4, I'm not sure where I got that idea (maybe it was original research) and I don't think it's correct. After 5.c3 Black can play 5...Na5 and seems to get an acceptable position. I used MCO-14 as a source for some of the article and it doesn't recommend (or even mention) 5.c3, instead giving 4...exd4 5.Nxd4 d6 6.Nc3 Nf6 7.0-0 0-0 8.h3 Nxd4 9.Qxd4 c6 10.a4 with advantage to White (Spassky-Hort, Reykjavik 1977). Maybe this part should simply read something like "If Black abandons the center with 4...exd4 White gets an advantage in space" ? Quale 00:01, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Huh, that is an interesting point. The 5.c3 line definitely didn't originate with you. The 5...dxc3? 6.Qd5! line is well-known (including a game in Chess Life a few months ago, where W managed to lose horribly after 6...Nh6! 7.Bxh6 0-0! 8.Bc1!? Nb4! 9.Qd1? c2 10.Qd4?? cxb1(Q) 11.0-0?! (11.Rxb1 Nc2+ winning the Q) Qxa1). Your 5...Na5!? is an interesting idea I've never seen before. Krakatoa 00:25, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

I edited the text as per your suggestion. Krakatoa 01:32, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. 5...Na5 isn't my idea, Fritz 8 spit it out when I fed it 5.c3. Searching the games database that came with Fritz, it shows two games with 5...Na5, both Scotch Gambits. In the second game White plays 6.Bb5 which looks more promising to me than 6.Qxd4 as played in the first, but the large rating difference means that the outcome isn't necessarily significant in trying to evaluate the position.

Palm, Nicolai (2255) - Furhoff, Johan (2320), Politiken Cup 1998.07.04

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Bc4 Be7 5. c3 Na5 6. Qxd4 Nxc4 7. Qxc4 Nf6 8. e5 d5 9. Qa4+ Nd7 10. Be3 O-O 11. Nbd2 f5 12. g3 f4 13. gxf4 Nc5 14. Bxc5 Bxc5 15. Rg1 c6 16. f5 Bxf5 17. Qf4 Bg6 18. Qg4 Qe7 19. Rg2 Rf5 20. O-O-O Raf8 21. Rdg1 Rf4 22. Qh3 R8f5 23. Qg3 d4 24. cxd4 Bxd4 25. Nxd4 Rxd4 26. Qb3+ Kh8 27. Re1 Rxe5 28. Rxe5 Qxe5 29. Qxb7 Qe1# 0-1

Plukkel, Sjoerd - Van der Peet, Harry, Nova College op 2002.07.05

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Bc4 Be7 5. c3 Na5 6. Bb5 c6 7. Ba4 Nf6 8. e5 Nd5 9. cxd4 d6 10. O-O Bg4 11. a3 Nc4 12. Re1 O-O 13. Bc2 dxe5 14. Qd3 e4 15. Rxe4 Bf5 16. Qxc4 Bxe4 17. Bxe4 Bf6 18. Qc2 g6 19. Nc3 Re8 20. g3 Qa5 21. h4 Rad8 22. Kg2 Re6 23. Bd2 Nxc3 24. bxc3 Rde8 25. Bd3 h5 26. Bc4 Kg7 27. Bxe6 Rxe6 28. Bg5 Bxg5 29. Nxg5 Qd5+ 30. Kg1 Re7 31. Qd2 f6 32. Nh3 Qe4 33. Nf4 Qf3 34. Re1 1-0

Quale 02:51, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, interesting games. It was impressive how Black smashed White in the first game. Black played terribly in the second. I wouldn't want to play 5.c3 in light of 5...Na5! I can see why Hort invited 5.c3 and Spassky didn't take him up on it. Krakatoa 03:25, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

I just looked this up in NCO instead of MCO-14 and found that Nunn et. al. cover both 5.c3 Na5 (=, they say) and 5.c3 dxc3? 6.Qd5 (big White advantage). Quale 16:31, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

The line is covered in Danish Dynamite and can indeed arise from the Scotch Gambit (1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 Be7 5.c3). They give 5.c3?! Na5! = without making any further comments, in my opinion White's best may well be to continue in gambit style with 6.Bd3 though I don't have any sources for that- I analysed the line some time ago with the help of Fritz 8. The position after the dubious 5...dxc3 can also be reached via the Goring Gambit (1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.Nf3 Nc6 4.c3 dxc3 5.Bc4 Be7), which I mentioned in the Wikipedia section on the Goring Gambit. In Danish Dynamite, following 6.Qd5 Nh6 7.Bxh6 0-0, Muller and Voigt give 8.Bc1?! Nb4 9.Qd1 c2 =+ (and I agree with that assessment), and 8.Nxc3 gxh6 9.Qh5 += as well as 8.Bxg7 Kxg7 9.Nxc3 +=. The position is notorious for the number of cases people have mis-analysed it as winning a piece for White. Tws45 (talk) 14:34, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

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Talk:Angela Hitler

Death
What did she die of, and where did she die (and buried)?

Mental illness
Angeblich war sie das einzige Familienmitglied im Stammbaum der Hitlers, die keine psychische Stöhrung hatte. Simon 4. August 2005

(Allegedly she was the only relative of Hitler's who didn't have psychological "problems.") Translation by Wyss 13:45, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

 * This is unsupported. Wyss 13:45, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

At the bottom here, although "seems" is quite weak.

Surname in article title

 * Notice that English Wikipedia is the only interwiki that titles her article 'Angela Hitler'. The others use her married name.  GilliamJF 03:09, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I noticed that, too, Gilliam. I had a difficult time finding her in the English version of Wikipedia. I had to follow a link from the Berghof to get to this article.--JGC1010 (talk) 03:38, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

What happened to her second daughter?
What became of Elfreide. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.206.165.18 (talk) 23:58, 20 January 2007 (UTC).

 * Elfriede died supposedly in 1993 (aged 83) in Linz, Upper Austria.

 * Did Elfriede have any children? Best name (talk) 08:44, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes at least one, a son named Heiner.

Why is Elfriede's husband referred to as German here and elsewhere? He was born in Austria. Maybe he received his Doctorate in Germany? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stirling7 (talk • contribs) 19:09, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Another matter
The following sentence appears near the end of the article: "Also he let her and her younger sister Paula hand over 100,000 Reichsmark for further life." I could make a guess as to what this sentence means. But it might be a wrong guess. Maybe the word hand should be have. The phrase "for further life"...maybe that means for the future. --JGC1010 (talk) 03:44, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree, the sentence as it stands is meaningless. Replacing "hand" with "have" would certainly make it meaningful; or else, one could replace "hand" with "handed"; that would also clarify the meaning (the meaning in either case would be that Angela and Paula would receive the 100,000 Reichsmarks). I would also say "Reichsmarks" instead of "Reichsmark" (twice in this paragraph). -- User: Mateatt, 22:09, June 9 (UTC)

Second husband
On what basis is the claim in this article made that Martin Hammitzsch was Jewish? Looking at this grave marker of his parents would seem to indicate he had a Roman Catholic background: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Grab_von_Carl_Otto.,_Anna,_Heinrich_Hammitzsch.JPG. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stirling7 (talk • contribs) 22:14, 4 January 2014

 * Of course he wasn't. He was a member of the Nazi party. Someone made him Jewish last year Paul B (talk) 19:15, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

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Orsay

Orsay is a commune in the Essonne department in Île-de-France in northern France. It is located in the southwestern suburbs of Paris, France, 20.7 km from the centre of Paris.

A fortified location of the Chevreuse valley since the 8th century and agricultural domain of wealthy and influential people, the development of Orsay is marked by the introduction of a railroad in the second half of the 18th century (today the RER B of which two stations are located in Orsay) and donations which allow the construction of a hospital still active to this day.

Orsay is the main home to the Paris-Saclay University. The university significantly shapes Orsay's economy as it employs about 10,000 academic workers. The city's economy is also centered on high technology, with several companies drawn to the area by the Paris-Saclay's research and development infrastructure.

Seat of the Orsay campus of Paris-Saclay University, crossed by the 118 national road, Orsay has become a residential city of the Paris metropolitan area and the Chevreuse valley, easily accessible and with a preserved environment at the heart of the Paris-Saclay scientific cluster with laboratories of the CNRS and the Curie Institute on its territory.

History
There has been a village called Orsay on this site since 999, and the first church there was built in 1157. From the sixteenth century, the town and surrounding area were owned by the Boucher family, and it was in honour of this family that Louis XIV gave the quai d'Orsay its name. This is the reason that the Musée d'Orsay is not in Orsay. In the eighteenth century, the family of Grimod du Fort bought the land and received the title of comte d'Orsay. In 1870, during the Franco-Prussian war, Orsay was occupied by the Prussian army. 88 young "Orcéens" were killed in the First World War.

In 1957, largely due to the influence of Frédéric and Irène Joliot-Curie, the Institut de physique nucléaire (nuclear physics institute) was opened in the Chevreuse valley, and the region, especially Orsay, became an important scientific centre. Another development was the creation of the University of Paris-Sud, whose most important faculty is the faculty of science.

On 19 February 1977, a part of the territory of Orsay was detached and merged with a part of the territory of Bures-sur-Yvette to create the commune of Les Ulis.

Population
Inhabitants of Orsay are known as Orcéens.

Higher education
The Paris-Saclay University, former University of Paris in Orsay, dominates the city of Orsay, providing the city with its distinctive college-town character. University buildings are located in the north of the city and the campus is divided between several other cities such as Gif-sur-Yvette, Bures-sur-Yvette and Palaiseau.

Colleges that are part of the Paris-Saclay University in Orsay:

 * ENS Paris-Saclay;
 * CentraleSupélec;
 * Paris-Saclay Faculty of Sciences;
 * Paris-Saclay Polytechnic School;
 * Orsay University Institute of Technology;
 * Paris-Saclay Undergraduate School.

Transport
Orsay is served by two stations on Paris RER line B: Le Guichet and Orsay-Ville.

Neighbourhoods of Orsay

 * Le Guichet
 * Mondétour
 * Le Petit Madagascar
 * Corbeville
 * Le Moulon

Nearby towns

 * Bures-sur-Yvette
 * Gif-sur-Yvette
 * Saclay
 * Palaiseau
 * Villebon-sur-Yvette
 * Les Ulis

Places of worship
The territory of the city is divided in two catholic parishes which depend on the diocese of Évry–Corbeil-Essonnes and the deanery of Yvette-Gif-Orsay. The parish of Ulis-Montdétour-Montjay serves the neighborhood of Montdétour, bois du Roi and bois Persan, while the parish of Orsay serves the rest of the city. These parishes have the main church of Saint-Martin-Saint-Laurent, the chapel of la Clarté-Dieu and the chapel of Notre-Dame-de-la-Plaine at Mondétour. Additionally, the city has a Portuguese evangelical parish and an international evangelical church: the église évangélique vie et paix. A Buddhist Khuông Viêt pagoda is also located in the city.

Forested areas

 * The Bois des Rames around the university campus
 * The Bois Persan
 * Parc botanique de Launay

Architecture

 * la Grande Bouvêche
 * la Pacaterie
 * le Temple de la Gloire
 * le château de Corbeville

Notable residents

 * Adam Allouche, swimmer
 * Mickael Antoine-Curier, footballer
 * Moussa Badiane, basketball player
 * Guy Demel, footballer
 * Edward VIII of the United Kingdom, later Duke of Windsor after abdicating the throne and marrying American divorcee Wallis Simpson
 * Pierre-Gilles de Gennes, Nobel prizewinning physicist, died in Orsay
 * Sega Keita, footballer
 * Sir Oswald Mosley, Bt., leader of the British Union of Fascists
 * Lady Diana Mosley, one of the Mitford sisters and wife of Sir Oswald Mosley
 * Angelique Spincer, handball player
 * Teddy Venel, athlete
 * Wallis, Duchess of Windsor, American wife of Edward VIII of the United Kingdom

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WNVZ

WNVZ (104.5 FM "Z104") is a commercial radio station licensed to Norfolk, Virginia, serving Hampton Roads. WNVZ is owned and operated by Audacy, Inc. It airs a  rhythmic contemporary  radio format.

The studios and offices are at Audacy's Hampton Roads headquarters on Clearfield Avenue in Virginia Beach. The transmitter tower is off East Pembroke Avenue in Hampton.

History
The station first signed on in July 1967 as WTID-FM. It was the FM sister station of WTID (1270 AM, now WPMH) in nearby Newport News. (The TID call letters stood for "TIDewater", another name for the Hampton Roads section of Virginia.) For much of its history, 104.5 was a Contemporary Hits/Top 40 radio station, picking up the format in 1973 as WQRK. In August 1982, it subscribed to noted programmer Mike Joseph's "Hot Hits" format, as WNVZ, playing only songs from the current Top 40 charts. Through the 1990s and early 2000s, it leaned toward a more rhythmic contemporary direction. In 2015, it moved back to a more mainstream Top 40 approach. After failing to make impacts with the return to CHR, mostly staying below a 3 share, the station quietly returned to a rhythmic CHR format in the summer of 2023.

WNVZ's morning show originated the Unexpected John Cena meme, where a snippet of a popular film, TV series, song or other form of media is interrupted by John Cena's entrance video and song, often played loudly.

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Talk:Gordon Rennie

Does describing Martin Emond as "talented" violate NPOV policy?
It seems to me that it would be a value judgement.--Nick xylas 19:24, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Makes sense - feel free to remove it. (Emperor 21:14, 16 November 2006 (UTC))

"a grumpy Scottish git"
While possibly true, do we have a source for this? If he hasn't said that then it should be removed asap. (Emperor (talk) 19:27, 11 February 2012 (UTC))

Uncited or dead
Vast portions of the Gordon Rennie section do not have a citation, similar to the comment above. Most of the remainder relies on a single dead citation of a 14-year-old article (as of this comment) in the Sunday Mail of Scotland. Jmg38 (talk) 04:57, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

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Some Kind of Bliss

"Some Kind of Bliss" is a song by Australian recording artist Kylie Minogue, for her sixth studio album, Impossible Princess (1997). The song was released as the lead single from the album on 8 September 1997 through BMG, Deconstruction and Mushroom. Minogue co-wrote the track with James Dean Bradfield and Sean Moore while Bradfield and Dave Eringa produced it. Backed by guitar and drum instruments, "Some Kind of Bliss" is a Britpop track in which Minogue sings about feeling happy.

Critical response to "Some Kind of Bliss" was mostly mixed; earlier reviews were critical towards her image and sound transition to rock music, while retrospective reviews are positive towards her songwriting and sonic experimentation. "Some Kind of Bliss" performed relatively poorly on international charts peaking at number 27 on the Australian Singles Chart, at 22 on the UK Singles Chart (her first solo release to miss the UK Top 20) and reaching number 46 on the New Zealand Singles Chart.

To promote "Some Kind of Bliss", she performed the track on Top of the Pops, MTV Australia live and the Australian TV series Hey Hey It's Saturday. It was later included on her 1998 concert tour Intimate and Live Tour. David Mould directed the music video to the single, featuring Minogue and actor Dexter Fletcher robbing a gas station. The song was later included in the track list of Minogue's compilation albums including Confide in Me (2002), Kylie Minogue: Artist Collection (2004), Confide in Me: The Irresistible Kylie (2007) and Step Back In Time: The Definitive Collection (2019).

Background and release
After releasing the single "Where the Wild Roses Grow" with Australian rock band Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds on 2 October 1995, Minogue received acclaim from critics for her experimentation with rock music, who praised her transition from being the once-dubbed "singing budgie" to a mature woman. Because of this, Minogue, with the support of her then boyfriend Stephane Sednaoui, decided to experiment with her music for the upcoming album. Welsh musician James Dean Bradfield contacted Minogue's A&R Pete Hadfield, asking him what their current project was where Hadfield replied "Kylie Minogue's new album". He asked Hadfield if he could work with Minogue and was approved.

After Bradfield sent her a demo of the album track "I Don't Need Anyone", Minogue was dissatisfied with the lyrical content and re-wrote the track herself. Despite this, Minogue found it "difficult" to write the song so Bradfield had taken pieces of the original demo lyrics and mixed them with other lyrics she had written to create the finished product of "I Don't Need Anyone". She found this method of writing "intriguing" and wanted to do it again, so she decided to do this with "Some Kind of Bliss", writing it alongside Bradfield and Sean Moore. Minogue commented about this method, saying "He took one half of one set [of lyrics] and took another half from another set of lyrics and merged them together, which I found interesting because it was something I wouldn't have done because, in my mind they're two separate things." She later commented that she felt it worked together.

While in production for the album, creative production was handled by Minogue and producers Brothers in Rhythm. Deconstruction Records' A&R Pete Hadfield was concerned with the lack of single choices, where he felt the songs written by Minogue were not up to commercial standards. Because of this, a potential January 1997 single release was postponed to make the album "perfect". "Some Kind of Bliss" was released as the lead single from Impossible Princess on 8 September 1997. There are two songs on the CD editions off "Some Kind of Bliss": "Limbo", a track was rejected as a single, and a new song "Love Takes Over Me".

Composition

"Some Kind of Bliss" was written by Minogue herself alongside Welsh performers James Dean Bradfield and Sean Moore, while the production was handled by Bradfield and Dave Eringa. It was recorded at Mayfair Studios, London, England in 1997 and was mixed by Alan Bremnar at Roundhouse Studios. It is a Britpop song with alternative rock and "rock-tinged" elements that lasts a duration of four minutes and thirteen seconds on the album. Instrumentally, "Some Kind of Bliss" features bass, electric and acoustic guitars, drums, string sections, flute, and a saxophone. Lyrically, the song is about Minogue's experiences while away from people and being happy, saying: "To me the song is about being able, not necessarily shut your eyes and feel that someone is there but they way where you are close to someone [...] the ability to feel like they're with you even if they are a million miles away."

A reviewer from Sputnikmusic said "'Some Kind of Bliss' is one of the more pop-rock songs that could have been part of her earlier work. This gem breaks up the dominance of the sleepy trance vibe to a more upbeat feel." Michael R. Smith from The Daily Vault felt that it was "surprisingly a strong and straightforward rock" song. Nick Levine from Digital Spy labelled the music as "Motowny Indie", while Sarah Smith from FasterLouder called it "pure pop". Priya from NME said "Some Kind of Bliss" is "a brassy 60's influenced number which has a totally Everything Must Go vibe to it." Martin Power, who wrote the biography Nailed to History: The Story of the Manic Street Preachers (2012) for the Manic Street Preachers, commented that "Some Kind of Bliss" was "far away from Minogue's glory days of 'I Should Be So Lucky' and 'Better the Devil You Know' as it was possible to get." A reviewer from The Australian noticed the transition from Minogue's earlier work by saying "The new single is not as heavily produced as her past songs, leaving her voice sounding edgier, and guitars take the place of the drum machine beats of earlier efforts."

Critical reception
Initial reviews toward "Some Kind of Bliss" were mixed. Writing for NME in November 1997, Ben Willmott called it "supremely irritating" and stated "Kylie belts out the lyrics like she's reading from an autocue. Any soul is lost in a slurry of bought-in brass and a ropey guitar solo that's be more at home on a Shakin' Stevens record." John Magnan from The Age said while the song was a stand out to the album, it "is actually one of the album's clunkier tracks". A reviewer from Music Week awarded the song four stars out of five, stating "Kylie changes musical tack again with this dense, big sounding single, co-written with two of the Manics, which loudly announces she's back in style." Gareth Gorman said that while the song showcased Minogue's "thin vocals", he followed saying "it still works due to one of those melody lines that is inevitable stunning, simple and effective." Michael Dwyer from Western Australia magazine stated "Some Kind of Bliss and Did It Again have already proved our Kylie has more tricks up her sleeve this time that Stock, Aitken and Waterman ever dreamed of and her sixth album harbours more strings to her carefully-cultivated bow." Larry Flick from Billboard was positive, saying "Ms. Minogue has been reborn as an alterna-pop vixen to be reckoned with."

The song received more positive reviews in retrospect. Allmusic's Chris True had selected the song as an album stand out and a career stand out track. While reviewing her 2002 compilation Confide in Me, True stated “Impossible Princess, both of which found her stretching and growing beyond the pop princess image she had previously. Dark, noisy tracks like "Limbo," the trip-hoppy "Jump," and the more rock-oriented "I Don't Need Anyone" and "Some Kind of Bliss"—both of which were co-written by the Manic Street Preachers' James Dean Bradfield—found her trying on different styles to replace the bubblegum pop of the past". A reviewer from Who Magazine called the song "Funky, Spunky, Rocky, Big." Jaime Gill from Yahoo! Music reviewed her Ultimate Kylie compilation album, and criticised the musical composition by calling it an "awkward faux-rock". Matt James from PopMatters reviewed her compilation The Best of Kylie Minogue and was disappointed with "Some Kind of Bliss"' absence, labelling it a "lost classic". In 2017, Billboard ranked it as the 76th greatest pop song of 1997; Andrew Unterberger wrote that "the song's string-soaked guitar-pop remains surprisingly alluring, a fascinating glimpse at an alternate reality in which the disco diva is better remembered for ripped jeans than golden hot pants, and sounds no less like herself for it". Writing for the Herald Sun, Cameron Adams placed it at number 21 on his list of the singer's best songs in honour of her 50th birthday, calling it "the peak of 'Indie Kylie' [...] a modern retro '60s girl band garage pop heaven, filled with brass, sass and class".

Chart performance
The song entered at number 27 on the Australian Singles Chart and fell to number 39 the following week. "Some Kind of Bliss" stayed in the chart for six weeks, and resulted as her lowest-charting lead single from an album until her single "Into the Blue" from Kiss Me Once (2014) peaked at number 46. The song entered and peaked at number 46 on the New Zealand Singles Chart for a sole week, her lowest charting single after her 1988 single "It's No Secret". In the United Kingdom, "Some Kind of Bliss" entered at number 22 on 20 September 1997, which broke Minogue's consecutive top twenty hits and became her lowest solo single until "The One" from X (2007) at number 36 on 9 August 2008.

Music video
The music video was directed by David Mould and was shot in the Desert of Tabernas in Spain. The music video features Dexter Fletcher as Minogue's lover. The video is set in non-linear structure, as it opens with Minogue and Fletcher in a blue Pontiac Firebird at a gas station, with Minogue staring inside the gas station while Fletcher sits in the car after being released from jail. Several scenes feature Minogue and Fletcher in different outfits in different areas, driving and running around a hotel. There are scenes with Minogue and Fletcher fighting, being happy, and playing around in their hotel room.

During the bridge sequence, Minogue and Fletcher park in front of a shop, and Minogue seductively tries to distract the cashier outside by staring and posing at him, while Fletcher tries to steal money from the till. In the last scenes, Minogue is in another outfit trying to walk out of an alley with a bag of money, but sees a police car driving towards her and tries to walk off. Fletcher is caught by police and is escorted into the police car while yelling at Minogue. Minogue, who see the alteration, drives off with the money and looks back at Fletcher while driving down the street.

Robbie Daw from Idolator listed the video at eight on their Kylie Minogue's Sexiest Videos. Daw said "There's something so casually sexy about this Bonnie and Clyde-themed video. Kylie spends a lot of time wearing skimpy denim dresses while dealing with the fallout from her criminal love interest." The public had voted in which Minogue's video was the sexiest. Conversely, "Some Kind of Bliss" was put in last place with 1% of the votes (15 votes). The music video was featured on the first CD single of her November 1997 single "Did It Again", and was included on her video compilations: The Kylie Tapes 94–98 (1998), Greatest Hits 87–99 (2003) and Artist Collection (2004).

Live performances
To promote the single, Minogue performed the song on several televised shows. Her debut live performance of the single was on the Australian variety program Hey Hey It's Saturday. She went on to perform the single on MTV on 4 October 1997 and in the UK on both TFI Friday and Top of the Pops. "Some Kind of Bliss" was included on the set list for her 1998 concert tour Intimate and Live. The song was featured on the opening act for the tour and featured Minogue singing the track on stage, wearing a black long-collared shirt and three-quarter pants, similar to the costume off "Did It Again". Like the rest of the costumes on the tour including the performance off "Some Kind of Bliss", it features Minogue with a lot of "princess"-inspired outfits.

Legacy and other usage
"Some Kind of Bliss" has been recognised by critics as Minogue's most "indie"-influenced song to date and one of her least successful singles to date. Author Lee Barron, who wrote the book Social Theory in Popular Culture, discussed the Impossible Princess period and further stated that "Some Kind of Bliss" was one of the main aspects for her "Indie Kylie" label in the media. Craig Mathieson, who wrote the book Playlisted: Everything You Need to Know about Australian Music Right Now (2009), stated about the song "It was a statement of intent, but not as planned. A sense of freedom, a belief in the lure of happiness, did not suit Kylie. She's best defined by constriction ad reduction, an her music has subsequently become a soundtrack to lack of choice."

The poor reception prompt Hadfield to release an apology to Minogue, blaming himself for not being in control of the promotion; "I loved her voice, got on with her and I am embarrassed that I failed her." Tom Parker, who wrote the liner notes for the 2003-release of Impossible Princess, had observed that critics slated "Some Kind of Bliss" due to Minogue's approach to "obtain lyrical and production credibility, which was overshadowed in whole". Minogue publicly commented about the single's aftermath "I think the static was that Elton had 75 percent of the sales that week, so mine didn't get off at a good start." She went on to say "I've told not to be frustrated, but I was frustrated because the album should be out [...] The point of it is to get it out and maybe people will like it, they may love it or they might hate it, but it was in my hands." She also felt guilt for parting with Stock Aitken Waterman after her production team with Deconstruction was not in good terms; she later commented that she departed on "good terms".

"Some Kind of Bliss" has been featured on many of Minogue's compilation albums. Its first appearance was on her 2000 Deconstruction greatest hits Hits+ and on her 2001 BMG greatest hits compilation album Confide in Me, a compilation consisting majority off her singles and tracks from her Deconstruction period; Heather Phares from Allmusic praised the Impossible Princess tracks including "Some Kind of Bliss". It then appeared on her 2004 compilation albums Artist Collection and, which included most of her Impossible Princess era. The appeared on the first disc of Confide in Me: The Irresistible Kylie released in July 2007 by UK independent label Music Club and her K25: Time Capsule by Warner Music Australia in October 2012. The song also appears on the third disc of Step Back in Time: The Definitive Collection released in November 2019. The Quivver remix appeared on her 1998 remix compilations Mixes and Impossible Remixes.

Formats and track listings
CD single
 * 1) "Some Kind of Bliss" – 4:13
 * 2) "Limbo" – 4:06
 * 3) "Some Kind of Bliss" (Quivver remix) – 8:39

7-inch single
 * 1) "Some Kind of Bliss" (Radio edit) – 3:50
 * 2) "Love Takes Over Me" – 4:14

12-inch single
 * 1) "Some Kind of Bliss" (Quivver remix) – 8:39
 * 2) "Some Kind of Bliss" (Quivver remix) – 8:39

Cassette single
 * 1) "Some Kind of Bliss" – 4:13
 * 2) "Limbo" – 4:06

Personnel
Song credits
 * Kylie Minogue – lead vocals, backing vocals
 * James Dean Bradfield – guitar, bass
 * Nick Nasmyth – keyboards
 * Sean Moore – drums
 * Andy Duncan – percussion

Visual credits
 * Kylie Minogue – stand-in
 * Stephane Sednaoui – photographer
 * Farrow Designs – design

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Talk:VISTA

I say merge it into Vista, and redirect VISTA to Vista. There isn't much content here. --SirNuke 00:07, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Sounds like the best idea to me too. -- Chuq 03:41, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

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Attic Entertainment Software

The Attic Entertainment Software GmbH was a German video game developer and publisher that was founded in September 1990 by Hans-Jürgen Brändle, Jochen Hamma and Guido Henkel in Albstadt, Baden-Württemberg. Attic has been inactive since 2001. The founder, Hans-Jürgen Brändle, was reported to have died in Las Vegas during the month of August, 2005.

Attic's breakthrough was the so-called Northlands Trilogy (Realms of Arkania: Blade of Destiny, Realms of Arkania: Star Trail and Realms of Arkania: Shadows over Riva), a series of role-playing video games based upon the popular German tabletop role-playing game The Dark Eye.

List of games

 * 1990 - Lords of Doom (Amiga, Atari ST, C64, MS-DOS)
 * 1991 - The Oath (Amiga)
 * 1991 - Spirit of Adventure (Amiga, Atari ST, C64, MS-DOS)
 * 1991 - Drachen von Laas (Amiga, MS-DOS)
 * 1993 - Realms of Arkania: Blade of Destiny (Amiga, MS-DOS)
 * 1994 - Realms of Arkania: Star Trail (MS-DOS)
 * 1995 - Fears (Amiga) publisher only
 * 1995 - Druid: Daemons of the Mind (MS-DOS) German: Der Druidenzirkel: Im Netz der Träume
 * 1997 - Herrscher der Meere (MS-DOS)
 * 1997 - Realms of Arkania: Shadows over Riva (MS-DOS)

Unreleased

 * The Lady, the Mage and the Knight (with Larian Studios)

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BD+20°307

BD+20°307 is a close binary star system approximately 300 light-years away in the constellation Aries. The system is surrounded by a dusty ring, and probably orbited by a 0.48 white dwarf on a wide (980 AU) orbit.

The dust that orbits around several hundred main-sequence stars is cold and comes from a Kuiper-belt analogous region. In the Solar System the ongoing collisions between asteroids generate a tenuous cloud of dust known as the zodiacal light. When the Solar System was young such collisions were more common and the rate of dust production was probably many times higher. Zodiacal dust around stars much younger than the Sun has been rarely found. Only a few main-sequence stars have revealed warm (>120 K) zodiacal dust.

An exceptionally large amount of warm, small, silicate dust particles around the solar-type star BD+20°307 (HIP 8920, SAO 75016) has been reported. The composition, quantity and temperature of the dust may be explained by recent, frequent or huge collisions between asteroids or other planetesimals whose orbits are being perturbed by a nearby planet.

Spectroscopic binary
Both stars of the close binary are considered to be Solar-type stars that are slightly more massive than the Sun. The two stars differ in effective temperature by only ~250 K and have a mass ratio of 0.91. The two orbit a common center of mass every 3.42 days. Within the spectra of the two stars the Li lines show different equivalent widths. The Li 6707 Å line though weak is detected only from the primary star, suggesting that it is older than 1 Gyr. If so, the large amount of zodiacal dust around the binary must be from a very large and recent collision of planetesimals.

Age
Recent measurements indicate that the binary star system has an age of several billion years — comparable to the Solar System.

Dust cloud
The dust cloud orbiting BD+20°307 has about 1 million times more dust than is orbiting the Sun. Furthermore, the dust is made up of extremely tiny particles, and its temperature is over 100 K, which is unusually high. It is hypothesized that, within the past few hundred thousand years and perhaps much more recently, these particles were formed by a collision between two bodies similar to Earth. "It's as if Earth and Venus collided," said Prof. Benjamin Zuckerman, UCLA professor of physics and astronomy. "Astronomers have never seen anything like this before. Apparently, major catastrophic collisions can take place in a fully mature planetary system." This hypothesis explains why the bulk of this dust has not spiraled into BD+20°307, or been pushed out by stellar winds yet. The National Science Foundation (NSF), NASA, Tennessee State University (TSU) and the State of Tennessee funded the work by Zuckerman and his collaborators.

Sun-like stars with hot dust
As of 2006 there were 7 sun-like stars that have hot dust at < 10 AU. These are

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Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/New York Percussion Trio

This is precisely the reason I created the article. This group did do pioneering work in new music, performance on traditional Indian percussion instruments, and in promoting percussion music to general audiences, yet little information is available about them. I am interviewing surviving members of the group via telephone in order to find out more about the various composers (many) who they commissioned for new works for percussion. Wiki serves an important function in providing interlinked information unavailable elsewhere. This article will be continually expanded and I hope others don't feel it is a waste of bandwidth. Badagnani 19:37, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Respectfully, I don't believe the purpose of Wikipedia is to create notability, but instead to document that which is already notable. The results of the vote clear things up if I'm mistaken. - Chairboy 19:57, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

I disagree; your "research" seems to consist solely of Google searching (a very incomplete/impartial and selective "history") while mine deals with printed sources as well as primary sources (the performers themselves). Respectfully, in this case I'll ask you to defer to those who are sincerely using Wiki to further cultural knowledge and bark up another tree, as the contents of this article has more cultural significance than a great many other articles that you are (justifiably) attempting to have deleted. There are many more worthy candidates and your time would be better spent going after those, or creating new articles of your own on subjects in your own particular expertise. Badagnani 20:40, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your interest in this article. WP:MUSIC states that an article must meet at least one *criterion*, not "criteria." If you re-examine both the article and WP:MUSIC guidelines you will see that the article does do this. Badagnani 23:31, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Please state which WP:MUSIC criteria it meets. - Chairboy 23:39, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your continued interest in the New York Percussion Trio article. Please continue to keep in mind that the Internet/Google is not the be-all and end-all of the world's knowledge, and that you will not always be able to find the answers to everything there. Here is the answer to your question:

Has had a Top 100 hit on any national music chart, in a large or medium-sized country*

NO - This generally doesn't apply to classical music, and particularly contemporary classical music, which appeals to small numbers of listeners (hence a greater need for Wiki coverage as information is not readily available elsewhere, as with popular musics)

Has gone on an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in a large or medium-sized country*

YES - Toured India c. 1959, where they gathered Indian percussion instruments, becoming among the first American percussion ensemble to use such instruments (I am still gathering information from the surviving group members about their tours throughout the U.S.)

Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable)

NO, BUT - Released one LP on a major label (Vox) and one 16mm educational film

Has been prominently featured in any major music media

UNDETERMINED - The group was probably featured in music periodicals of the time; more research is needed, and will be done

Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise extremely notable; note that it is often most appropriate to use redirects in place of articles on side projects, early bands and such

YES - Two members were also longtime members of the New York City Ballet Orchestra (one retired this year) as well as other major New York City classical music ensembles

Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style or the local scene of a city (or both, as in British hip hop); note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability.

YES (qualified) - Most percussion ensembles are quartets or larger; this group was a notable percussion trio in its time, and the most important percussion trio in the city of New York (arguably the most important North American city for classical music; musical activities that take place there often become known around the country). Although they are not well known today, they were during the 1950s and 1960s, enough to get an appearance on national TV on a program hosted by Steve Allen. (In comparison, I can't recall any percussion ensemble besides STOMP performing on the Jay Leno, David Letterman, or Conan O'Brien programs, so this was quite a notable appearance indeed.)

Has won a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno or Mercury Music Award

UNCERTAIN - more research is needed

Hope you'll now consider moving on to the deletion of more inane articles, which are much worthier of deletion, or to enriching Wikipedia by writing articles in your own area of expertise.