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User talk:Mel Etitis/Archive 17

U.S. English
It's "storey"/"story" that gets changed, actually. Plus there's the whole thing about "Ground Floor" vs. "First Floor".... --JohnDBuell | Talk 6 July 2005 16:23 (UTC)

 * Just that (aside from metre/meter) I thought the only thing I corrected was 'storey' to 'story' in terms of levels of a building. If you really want confusing, the taller buildings (example: the Mathematics Department building) at the Purdue University main campus in West Lafayette, Indiana have their "first floor" ON the ground, the "Ground floor" is the level just BENEATH the ground, and the floor below THAT is the "Basement." --JohnDBuell | Talk 6 July 2005 16:55 (UTC)

 * Merriam-Webster Online (my US English Dictionary of choice) gives storey as a "Variant" spelling. --JohnDBuell | Talk 6 July 2005 17:26 (UTC)

Fabartus

 * What are you using for a Browser. This has got me paranoid! User:Fabartus || Talkto_FrankB 6 July 2005 20:16 (UTC)

 * I just tried it again, and it looses the whole history trail (I'd killed some time editting). Now at least I can get in to make a change, so something is unstable — died again on Preview. I think I better cut the link off the top since it's redundant with the '+', and see what happens then. Cheers, and thanks for the assist! User:Fabartus || Talkto_FrankB 6 July 2005 20:21 (UTC)

 * Ok, I'm running IE6 as well. I moved the fancy block stuff below the joke, and Preview still crashes. But we're junking up your page. User:Fabartus || Talkto_FrankB 6 July 2005 20:25 (UTC)

 * I guess you have enough Browsers. I'm surprised you didn't test with AOL. Just to confirm, you are doing FULL PAGE EDITS (sts) (I hate CAPS LOCK! It costs me more time,,, grrrrr) User:Fabartus || Talkto_FrankB 6 July 2005 20:29 (UTC)

 * I thought it was someone I know as a socket puppet mode, but apparently not, too much history/contributions, so I posted back under a line that said 'Vandalize below the line' (User: Yo Mama 5000) — I haven't a clue as to why he posted above your tests. (My sig needs fixed again)| Fra || nkB 6 July 2005 20:47 (UTC)

I don't need this crap. I can full edit on articles, and other peoples talks, but not on my own talk. The symptoms change, sometimes I can edit and it manifests at Preview, sometimes as soon as I try to edit, it goes back to my blank page default IE screen. Scratchin' me head I am! Thanks for the help.
 * I just reverted to JUST after the archieve, but before I refactored and cut some stuff back in. (After which things went to hell).
 * I'll have to see if I can pin it down by adding back small sections of the difference between this version and the next one.
 * For a moment, I was thinking it was an IE6 update at fault, but then I remembered I rebooted when the problem manifested, not the other way around. I don't shut this machine down very often (even using it as a file server from one of the laptops), and MS-autoupdate wanted to add 10 security updates after a larger add where it needed to reboot.
 * But that puts the cart in front of the horsey. There's got to be some characters in sequence that are screwing up the browsers synchronization or html parsing. (Java?) I guess I should refer it to the SW gurus. It seems like I spend half my time getting a handle on new Wiki-procedures, and unless they are atypical, bug reporting is usually a pain in the ___!
 * Fra nkB  6 July 2005 21:17 (UTC)

 * IE sucks. Get a decent browser like Mozilla Firefox!  *Dan* July 6, 2005 22:57 (UTC)

I've tried Firefox, and found it very, very slow. I usually use Opera or Lynx, but I have Opera set up to reject all cookies and IE6 to accept them, so IE is what I use on Wikipedia. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 7 July 2005 09:29 (UTC)

 * RU still around, and if so, do you have preferences set to 'Preview' when entering edit mode? I suspect that was part of my problem, which I've documented here: Problem
 * Have a good night either way, This blew my day! Fra  nkB  6 July 2005 23:13 (UTC)

Serendipity?
Your repeated croppings-up on my watchlist this p.m.? I assume not. Thanks. –Hajor 6 July 2005 22:38 (UTC)

Revert
I didn't know you had done all that. But I'm not going back through and adding those section stubs back by hand, so if the baby goes out with the bathwater, I'm sorry. You knew that I was translating the Greek article, and the section stubs were obviously based on the Greek model. --Jpbrenna 7 July 2005 13:23 (UTC)

Sorry
I was in a hurry to get somewhere (had to take my car into the shop because of an unexpected brake problem) and I was annoyed about the section stubs. I'm not trying to start a revert war. I hadn't actually looked, and there were far fewer than I thought so it's not much trouble. I'll revert to your version and add my changes to that. --Jpbrenna 7 July 2005 15:06 (UTC)

Calvinist Church, USA
The articles you are referring to were copied from a satire page. They are not about real entities; they lampoon their subject, through distortion for humorous effect. They mention membership in well-known organizations, in which obviously (being fictional) they are not listed. They are nonsense. We don't copy articles from the Onion, and let them stand, do we? Not just because they are copyrighted, but because they are satyrical nonsense. Mkmcconn (Talk) 7 July 2005 17:37 (UTC)

Everyking's odd claim
Do not use rollback in content disputes. Only use it against vandalism. As an admin you should have known this from day one. Everyking 7 July 2005 17:48 (UTC)

Question about Cassandra Claire revert
Hi, I'm sorry if it looked like a bad-faith edit; I don't think I blanked the article, or if I did it was by accident. I did mark for speedy deletion, but that was because I thought it should be replaced with an article on the VSDs. I know Cassandra Claire and I also know that the material repeatedly posted by 68.0.214.59 is both factually inaccurate and defamatory, and that she will not stop posting- her lawyer, who has posted on the discussion page of the article, agrees and has contacted Wiki, but I would like to know what to do in the meantime. Is there any way to lock the page while I place the article on VfD and/or suggest a redirect on the Talk page? Cylion 7 July 2005 18:12 (UTC)Cylion

The information was not factually inaccurate. It was the other perspective. It just is generally... mmm... how do you best put it? In the interests of political correctness in fandom, it isn't brought up. There have been serious considerations in putting together a paper exploring the opposite perspective. It is about 50 pages. It contains the documentry evidence which supports those statements. You may not like that perspective but unless you're 1) A former member of FanFiction.Net staff, 2) The person who reported it, 3) Pamela Dean, 4) In contact with those people who are in points one to three, then you really don't know what you're talking about here to dispute the veracity of those claims other than your say so of "I know Cassandra Claire!" --PurplePopple 7 July 2005 22:07 (UTC)

In response to message: Erm, no...
...just someone who is sharing an internet connection, and therefore an IP address, with Cylion. Why do you ask? Tromboneborges 7 July 2005 18:29 (UTC)TromboneBorges

(In response to next message) Heh. Well, she, but good point. I've been keeping an eye on the conversation, and I said, "Hey, you didn't sign it! Wait, I'll do it," and did it.

Of course, in my haste I did it incorrectly (I made the the user link directly instead of using the 4-tildes signature) but it's the thought that counts, no?

Sorry for the confusion. Tromboneborges 7 July 2005 18:52 (UTC)Tromboneborges

:)
Thank you for your contribution :)

-user:Striver

User:Michael999
''Could you supply proper diffs for your 3RR report? You've instead provided links to four versions of the article''

 * Sorry about that, doing it now. Thanks.   <> Who ? ¿ ?  7 July 2005 20:50 (UTC)
 * Done. Thanks for the heads up, rather than ignoring the malformed request.  <> Who ? ¿ ?  7 July 2005 20:58 (UTC)

Jew York Times
Apologies are unnecessary. It was not at all obvious but the "nominator" never posted the page to the VfD list so it's never gotten the proper 5 days of community scrutiny. I only got suspicious because I've been keeping watch of the closure of the VfD/Old pages. An unclosed discussion would/should have been caught long before this and I wanted to try to figure out what failed in our process. As it turned out, nothing failed in the closure process. The failure point was in the nomination. Rossami (talk) 7 July 2005 21:18 (UTC)

Help!
Hi again. As you can see from my Special:Contributions/Striver, im a extremly active user.

I have a problem: People want to delet my articles just because they dont get it.

I would be greatfull if you would care to take a look of what im doing and see if you agree with me that all articles are worth to have. Whel, not all, but the ones that are up for voting for delition:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Abdullah_ibn_Harith http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Qutaylah_bint_Abd_al-Uzza http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Events_with_Muhammad:_1

If you would agree with me that this things need time to grow, please expres it att the voting. If you dont agree, i would be happy if you asked me to motivate their existance for you

Thank you for your time, --Striver 7 July 2005 22:52 (UTC)

Tidy talk
By the way, you have a well-conceived layout on your talk page; evidence of an orderly mind. Very nice. Mkmcconn (Talk) 8 July 2005 07:44 (UTC)

I've left a brief answer on my (less tidy) talk. Thanks for the interaction. Mkmcconn (Talk) 8 July 2005 08:33 (UTC)

Nick Adams
Sorry for the whole trouble concerning the edit wars in the articles on Nick Adams, Natalie Wood, etc., but I don't want to give up because one editor is so keenly interested to suppress what I have written. I have wasted much time to find independent sources cited on the discussion pages to support my view. But this does not seem to be enough to convince user Wyss.

I think the following passage is O.K. and neutral enough to be included in the article on Nick Adams, as these remarks are based on several independent sources:

 * Adams and actor Natalie Wood were close friends. Author Gavin Lambert in his 2004 biography Natalie Wood: A Life writes, "Her first studio-arranged date with a gay or bisexual actor had been with Nick Adams..." Some tabloid and other reports with similar characterizations were published decades after his death. According to these accounts, before his success as an actor Adams was a male prostitute catering to men. James Dean is also said to have claimed that he worked with his friend Adams as a street hustler when he first arrived in Hollywood <!—See http://andrejkoymasky.com/liv/fam/biod1/dean2.html -->. The book Elvis: The Hollywood Years (David Bret, 2002) even claims Elvis Presley was intimate with Adams. However, there are no court records, contemporary letters or statements attributed to Adams to support these rumours.

Significantly, my opponent Wyss has again deleted parts of this paragraph. His only argument is that my sources which I have cited according to the Wikipedia guidelines are not reliable enough and not peer-reviewed. This seems to be his personal opinion. On the other hand, he has included several other "facts" in the Trivia section and other parts of the article, which are also based on dubious internet sources which are not peer-reviewed. To my mind, he's applying double standards to accept findings which are in line with his personal view and suppresses those which are not. I don't know what I can do, as the edit war is going on. Why is this editor so stubborn concerning the inclusion of some details which can be found in independent sources? Administrator Ed Poor said on the discussion page, "just say that X wrote a book which claims Y is homosexual / bisexual / whatever. One or two lines ought to be enough." This is what I did, but user Wyss does not accept sources such as Hadleigh's Hollywood Gays.

 * It's true, I don't accept Hadleigh as a reliable source. Regardless, I would like to resolve this editing spat without locking the page or putting up a disputed tag again. Disclaimer: The anon has posted an identical message over on Uncle Ed's page, and I've asked Uncle Ed to make a suggestion. Any input's appreciated. I was hoping to wait for a consensus either way... (I did try to compromise by putting in the Lambert quote). Thanks! Wyss 8 July 2005 10:10 (UTC)

Tsushima Islands
Hi there! User:Fabertus asked me to interfere in a POV dispute regarding this page. However, from his descriptions I am really not sure what is going on - except for the fact that you are handling it. So I'd like to ask you what's up. I'd be happy to help if needed, I'd also be happy to leave it to you if you prefer. Off-hand the easiest solution seems to be to file an RFC. Yours, Radiant_ >|< July 8, 2005 11:20 (UTC)
 * Actually, I asked for help with Tan. Fra  nkB  8 July 2005 22:17 (UTC)

Teach the Controversy
Yeah, it's one of those things that I know I shouldn't get sucked into, but I couldn't stop myself. The same way that I know I shouldn't spend so much time on wikipedia, and yet here I am. --Laura Scudder | Talk 8 July 2005 13:21 (UTC)

Talk:Intelligent_Design
Hey Mel, I just discovered that there is an orphaned talk page at Talk:Intelligent_Design. The "real" talk page is at Talk:Intelligent_design. Should I put this up for vfd, or what? --goethean ॐ 8 July 2005 15:24 (UTC)

The Lady of Shallott
What is the source for the claim that the poem is based on the story of Elaine of Astolat? According to a note in my copy of Tennyson's Selected Poems, he supposedly based the poem on an Italian Novella called 'Donna di Scatolla', though he also apparently said "The Lady of Shalot is evidently the Elaine of the Morte d'Arthur, but I do not think that I had ever heard of the latter when I wrote the former". Clearly Tennyson must have read it by the time he wrote Idylls of the King; however what I am unsure of is whether he had before the 1842 revision. --Altair July 8, 2005 17:15 (UTC)

Sturmgrenadier
Never properly nominated? Probably true. Looking through the edit history of Sturmgrenadier, it seems the VFD notice was added here, possibly as a result of the then-ongoing revert war. On the VFD, User:Magen claims credit, and says to be a newbie, which would explain why he never made the VFD voting page (that was done by User:Habap who voted to keep) and why this was never put on any day's VFD page as far as I can tell, and the fact that none of the VFD regulars voted on this also points in that direction. It would be possible to blank the votes and restart discussion on today's page; the alternative would be to let the matter lie. Most votes on the VFD are to keep, anyway. Yours, Radiant_ >|< July 8, 2005 17:11 (UTC)

Personal Attacks
I apologize for my obscure insult, but, if I may add, you called me a disturbed adolescent, which is a personal attack. You should look at No personal attacks.Respond.--Anti-Anonymex2 8 July 2005 18:01 (UTC)

What do you mean by "undly generous"?--Anti-Anonymex2 8 July 2005 21:31 (UTC)

I just checked out the article, and I was not advertising, nor am I a disturbed adolescent.--Anti-Anonymex2 8 July 2005 21:37 (UTC)

I would prefer it if you would stop insulting me. I am not worse than a disturbed adolescent. Please stop bothering me.--Anti-Anonymex2 8 July 2005 21:44 (UTC)

 * ??? --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 8 July 2005 21:57 (UTC)

Uncle G rfa
Hi - Have you noticed Uncle G's explanation at WP:RFA for not more promptly accepting his nomination? Unless you have some other reason for opposing, you might want to reconsider. -- Rick Block (talk) July 9, 2005 16:53 (UTC)

Wikipedia:No Personal Attacks
You have a history of making personal attacks against me in the past and a number of others, since. Now, referring to a fellow contributor's edits as "Absurd" in your Edit summary broadcast for all to see (Natalie Wood) is unwarranted and improper conduct at Wikipedia. Your cooperation in participating at Wikipedia in a the spirit of the community's positive goals is appreciated. Thank you. Ted Wilkes 23:25, July 9, 2005 (UTC)

 * Replied. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης )

 * I have still a problem with contributing to the articles on Nick Adams, Natalie Wood and Elvis Presley. My opponents User:Wyss and User:Ted Wilkes (whose opinions, significantly, are usually expressed in similar words), have provided little evidence for their view. They are only questioning the reliability of my sources without furnishing proof that these sources are really wrong. They have accused me of vandalism, being a troll, etc. for no reason at all. Not to mention that they seem to take turns in doing repeated reverts, presumably to escape violation of the three revert rule. Indeed, they are unable to cite relevant sources supporting their personal judgement. As everybody can see, Wyss and his "fellow combatant" Ted Wilkes have continually used commentaries on the discussion pages to discredit me and the sources which I have cited according to the Wikipedia guidelines. To my mind, all they have to offer is no more than a biased opinion. Wikipedia wants information based on independent sources. I have cited these sources (books, articles, reviews, web pages). Until they have something worthwhile to offer, i.e. solid sources that will really support their view or disprove my view, I think they should keep their personal remarks to themselves, for such remarks do not help matters at all. The whole edit war is boring as the parties concerned are wasting their time. I would encourage all readers to spend as much time as they see fit on reading from the beginning what is written on the related discussion pages, as the whole talk proves that I have provided a lot of evidence (based on independent sources) to support my assertions. I don't know why users Wyss and Ted Wilkes are constantly questioning the reliability of my sources and reverting the articles to their last edits. 80.141.224.58 14:17, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

 * The anon is distorting the history of this issue to the point of being misleading. First, WP isn't concerned with independent sources, but with secondary sources which means secondary sources drawn from primary sources in the documented historical record.

 * Are you sure? You should read what is written on the Reliable sources page:

 * "If you can provide useful information to Wikipedia, please do so, whether or not you have a reliable source."

 * "... the idea that a certain person or group of people holds a certain opinion is a verifiable fact."

 * "A primary source provides direct evidence for a certain state of affairs. This may mean that the source observes a state of affairs directly, or that they observe indirect evidence of it. In other words, a primary source is a source very close to the original state of affairs you are writing about. An example of primary-source material would be a photograph of a car accident taken by an eye witness, or a report from that eye witness. A trial transcript is also primary-source material."

 * "A secondary source summarizes one or more primary sources."

 * "When reporting on objective facts, Wikipedia articles should cite primary and secondary sources whenever they exist."

 * Your information doesn't qualify as useful because it's mostly pulled from sources criticized for being made up. I don't see the word independent anywhere, by the way. Wyss 17:35, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

 * This is what you claim. There are positive reviews of the independent sources I have cited. The fact that these sources are independent certainly supports my view.

 * The anon's sources, with the possible exception of Lambert, are published books of undocumented gossip decades after these people died. There is no documented evidence Nick Adams was gay.

 * This is your personal opinion. There are several independent sources supporting the claim that Adams had homosexual leanings.

 * No, my statement is quantified fact. The sources you cite are for the most part not credible. There is no documented evidence Nick Adams was gay. Wyss 17:35, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

 * No, your statement isn't quantified fact. There is enough evidence that Adams was gay, as several independent sources prove.

 * You're arguing in circles. Please sign your posts. Wyss 20:23, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

 * To insert these assertions into a biographical article, even as rumour, completely distorts the permanent record. I care not a whit who was gay and who wasn't. I care much about using secondary sources drawn from the documented historical record. The anon's complaints about personal attacks and so on are not accurate in terms of chronology, motivation, context or substance. The anon has shown an obsession with only four articles (Nick Adams, Natalie Wood, Elvis Presley and James Dean) and with inserting the term homosexual or gay into these articles as frequently as is syntaxically possible with complete disregard to editorial balance, context or documented fact.

 * Sorry, this is not true. I have contributed to several other articles using my dynamic IP address, 80.141.xxx.xxx. One of my recent edits is the new page on TrustRank.

 * An article related to misleadingly seeding search engines does seem to fit with your interest in placing the word homosexual as many times as possible into the Elvis Presley article on Wikipedia, which is widely mirrored and has significant impact on Google searches. 17:35, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

 * The anon has refused to cooperate with Mel's latest compromise proposal on the Natalie Wood talk page.

 * This is also not true. On the talk page I have given a short information package that included arguments and supportive evidence that Natalie Wood's contacts with Hollywood's gays played a significant part in her life.

 * You have not accepted Mel's compromise. Wyss 17:35, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Mel says, "I'm happy with this if the anon. is." And I'm not happy with what Wyss calls a compromise, as relevant information is missing.

 * I didn't like it either but was willing to go along if it would resolve this. Please sign your posts. Wyss 20:24, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

 * The anon's language implies some sort of insidious conspiracy between myself and user:Ted Wilkes. Previously, the anon accused me of being a sockpuppet of that user (developers are strongly encourged to run an IP and sockpuppet test on my account if there are any doubts, I have ever edited only from this account).

 * You may know that it's easy to disguise your IP address by using an anonymizer. It's also possible to come in from different IP addresses and post something different at nearly the same time.

 * You seem to know a lot about that. Wyss 17:35, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I propose it's the anon who is wasting the valuable time of contributing editors. I personally had to take much time away from my work on the Haymarket riot (which I largely rewrote) and Monica Vitti (which I created) articles over the weekend to deal with this issue. I was unable to begin expanding the Michelangelo Antonioni article as I had hoped. These and all of Wikipedia are damaged by the insertion of not-credible, undocumented, agenda-ridden material like the anon's into its articles, and all content suffers an erosion of credibility thereby. I can say one positive thing about the anon, however. The research he has forced me to do on Nick Adams has allowed me to expand on the documented secondary source content of WP's article about him but I likely would have gotten around to that anyway, I clicked into this mess because he had a supporting role in Picnic (movie). So far as the anon's tactics go, I can only characterize them as badgering, circular and baiting along with Gaming the system. If saying this is interpreted as a personal attack by some, they are mistaken. I refer to the anon's edits, not the anon personally. Wyss 14:43, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I would interpret this as a personal attack, similar to attacks against me by Ted Wilkes. 80.141.248.221 16:54, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

 * That's because you'd like to manipulate the system however you can in order to include the word homosexual as many times as possible in the Elvis Presley article. Your interest in writing an article on TrustRank suggests to me that your persistence here is motivated by an understanding of the Wikipedia mirror effect on search engines. Wyss 17:35, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Did you say, "I refer to the anon's edits, not the anon personally"? 80.141.248.14 20:10, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Please see Gaming the system. Wyss 20:14, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

In the future, please don't break up my posts. It makes following the thread much more difficult. Wyss 17:46, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

The problem with USER: 80.141.etc.etc. is simple and perfectly clear. None of its edits have credibilty because it has fabricated information and inserted "fraudulently doctored text" into more than one article. That User:Mel Etitis has come to defend it several times makes me wonder. Ted Wilkes 20:13, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

 * Mel has offered a compromise but the anon declined. Wyss 20:16, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Mel only says, "I'm happy with this if the anon. is." And I'm not happy with what you call a compromise, as relevant information is missing 80.141.242.217 20:34, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

See this small posting pattern by the anon: Special:Contributions/80.141.249.246 Wyss 20:31, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Please leave Jewish Task Force alone
Mel, please don't edit this article. The ONLY thing we all agree with is that you are incompetent as a mediator in this dispute. If you can't do the job right, please don't attempt it at all. 168.209.98.35 16:48, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't see how you have any business telling somebody not to edit a particular article, especially when (as in this case) he seems to be the most neutral and nonpartisan of the people involved (which may be why all the rabid partisans, pro- and anti-JTF, hate him so much). *Dan* 17:21, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

 * Given that the edits (which he reverted wholesale, in the process reverting another editor's disambiguation of a link) were merely tidying and wikifying (external links, punctuation, dashes, etc.), it's clear that this anon. is simply reacting to me rather than to the contents of the article. That fits well with the infantile squabbling that Talk:Jewish Task Force page has been full of for some time; when the main article was protected and a temp version supplied for editors to try to reach consensus, most of them continued their sniping and insults on the Talk page, and ignored the article altogether.  --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 17:58, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Uh, can you point out diffs to support your false claim?? If you would have bothered to look more closely you would have noticed that my "wholesale reverts" were not so. If you had spent a few seconds looking you would have noticed that 66.14.104.198 was the one who removed the unrelated external link, yet you give me credit for removing it (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jewish_Task_Force&diff=18533597&oldid=18522791).  You also claim that my "wholesale reverts" also removed other users tidying efforts (punction, dashes, etc).  Uh, can you please post a diff that shows this?  I did remove one wikification link which wikified "Northern" in "Northan Samarian".  Having the word "North" wikified and pointing to an article that says nothing about Northan Samarian is not useful.  If we wikified every single word in the article that has a corresponding wiki page the article would be difficult to read.

 * Actually, if you look at the history of the temp page of the article you had on your on your user page (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Mel_Etitis/JTF&action=history) You will notice that I was participating in it until you started your wholesale reverts to my changes (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Mel_Etitis/JTF&diff=18123226&oldid=18110587).  Once you started your wholesale reverts, with no explanatoin given, I knew that you were not neutral and nonpartisan in regards to this article and any other efforts on my part were wasted.

 * Mel, from the beginning of this debate until I gave up I have tried to get this resolved the right way. I put in a RfC and nothing happened.  When I was being called every insult under the sun on the discussion page you did nothing.  I left a message for you on your talk page asking you to ask them to stop calling me a racist, nazi, anti-semite, etc and you ignored my request and allowed the personal attacks against me to continue.

 * Then you started your wholesale reverts to my contributions and I then knew I was wasting my time. I stopped editing the JTF article and now you have, as I predicted, a JTF article that calls muslims Nazi Terrorists and a bunch of other POV terms.  Seeing the condition that you have the article in right now I can clearly understand why schools refuse to allow students to source wikipedia in their work.

 * Again, if you aren't going to do the job right, don't do it at all. You are good at copyediting and such, but when it comes to your admin duties you have proven to be worthless on the issue of JTF. 168.209.98.35 01:35, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

 * 1) The Talk page was nothing but insults traded between you and others; I did indeed try to calm things down, but you were all having too much fun.
 * 2) I made one rollback-revert of one of your edits, because it simply started to introduce exactly the PoV stuff that had caused the problem in the first place.
 * 3) It's true that your ludicrous edit summary misled me as to the nature of your edit; you in fact only reverted two other edits, both by other editors, in neither case for good reason.
 * 4) It's clear that your main reason for being here is the excitement and pleasure you get from posting long rants against other editors. From now on, I shall simply delete such rants from this page; get your jollies elsewhere. --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 10:08, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Edits to Utada Hikaru page concerning singles
Just so you know, "Be My Last" is officially her forthcoming single, as announced on her official website (the link is to the English news page of her site). --Soulsteelgray 05:49, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Population transfer
In the Population transfer article an editor has replaced a paragraph describing anti-Greek ethnic cleansing with one attributing ethnic cleansing to the Greeks. Based on the editor's contributions, this editor appears to be presenting a Turkish POV. Could you comment? Jayjg (talk) 03:49, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Human rights in the United States
I know you're busy, but could I ask you to take a look at my work here, and perhaps add this to your watchlist?

I am trying to rewrite the introduction to reflect events of the last four years, and was quickly reverted. BrandonYusufToropov 14:24, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

"Dick Witham" returns
Same joker, new screen name - User:Concerned Citizen. He's causing trouble on the talk page for StarrCade, simply because I removed references to a backyard wrestling promotion in an article about a World Championship Wrestling event. He messed up the first time and forgot to log in, exposing his IP as being an Alltel IP in rural Georgia - the same IP block used by "DickWitham" and related socks. Chadbryant 15:04, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Malta Labour Party
Hello! When you change the name for the subject of an article in the text, could you move the article too? Otherwise, as in this case, the title and the article don't match. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 09:18, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I was slowly leading up to that to see if I would get a response, first in the talk page, then in the article, and finally a page move. You shot my fox on the third, for which thanks. --Henrygb 16:55, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
After a good stiff drink, I think I understand. ;-) Jayjg (talk) 18:31, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

You might get your chance to do the other revert anyway; User:Mansour seems determined to keep the word in. Jayjg (talk) 19:29, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

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User talk:DINGOTI

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KQEH

KQEH (channel 54), branded on-air as KQED Plus, is a PBS member television station licensed to San Jose, California, United States, serving the San Francisco Bay Area. The station is owned by KQED Inc., alongside fellow PBS station KQED (channel 9) and NPR member KQED-FM (88.5) in San Francisco. The three stations share studios on Mariposa Street in San Francisco's Mission District and transmitter facilities atop Sutro Tower; until January 17, 2018, KQEH's transmitter was located atop Monument Peak.

History
The station first signed on the air on October 19, 1964, as KTEH, originally intended to serve the South Bay. In the late 1990s, KTEH bought KCAH in Watsonville, which was founded in 1989 to serve as the PBS station for the Santa Cruz–Salinas–Monterey market. Before being acquired by KQED, KTEH maintained a Technical Volunteer program, which allowed volunteers to learn how to operate cameras, audio, shading, directing, and other production and technical responsibilities, while minimizing its costs. These volunteers made up the technical crews for all of their pledge drives and auction programming, as well as other occasional live broadcasts.

In 2006, KQED Inc. and the KTEH Foundation agreed to merge to form Northern California Public Broadcasting. As a result of the merger, KCAH changed its call letters to KQET on August 12, 2007. Subsequently, on October 1, 2007, KQET, which became a satellite of KTEH following its acquisition of the station, switched programming sources from KTEH to KQED. KQET's programming is carried on the second digital subchannel of KQED.

In December 2010, the Board of Directors of Northern California Public Broadcasting changed the organization's name to KQED Inc. KTEH shut down its studio on Schallenberger Road, moved its operations to the KQED studio in San Francisco, changed its call letters to KQEH, and rebranded itself as "KQED Plus" on July 1, 2011, after research found that most viewers were unaware that KTEH was related to KQED; other aspects of the station's operation, including programming and staff, were not affected by this change.

Programming
In April 1981, KTEH started showing the British science-fantasy show Doctor Who, which ran on the station until January 2003. On April 10, 2007, Doctor Who returned to the station with the airing of the program's 2005 revival. KTEH has also aired another British sci-fi show, Red Dwarf. In 1998, KTEH aired the entire eighth series of Red Dwarf in one night. In doing so, many episodes were shown on KTEH before their broadcast on British television.

In the mid-1990s, Scott Apel hosted airings of The Prisoner with commentary, using an episode ordering he devised. The ordering is still a popular one in the Prisoner fandom, referred to as the "KTEH order".

KTEH also has a history of airing anime. From 1996 to 2003, the station would air various anime series on Sunday nights. KTEH was notable as the station that saw the broadcast premiere of the English-subtitled Neon Genesis Evangelion, as well as the dubbed version of the Tenchi Universe TV series. Other anime aired on KTEH include Bubblegum Crisis, Key the Metal Idol, subtitled versions of Dirty Pair Flash, All Purpose Cultural Cat Girl Nuku Nuku, Urusei Yatsura, and Sakura Wars, and dubbed versions of Serial Experiments Lain, City Hunter, Ruin Explorers, Please Save My Earth, Ranma ½, Robotech, and Generator Gawl.

Karen Roberts was the person responsible for acquiring the programming for both British television series and Japanese anime.

Local productions
KTEH has produced many television programs over the years, some of which have been nationally broadcast. Its current production schedule includes:
 * This is Us – an Emmy Award-winning show featuring profiles of remarkable people and places in Northern California.
 * Saving the Bay – an Emmy Award-winning documentary about San Francisco Bay which went on to a national release in 2011.
 * video i – an award-winning showcase of documentaries, dramas, and experimental films.
 * KTEH Cooks with Garlic – local viewers preparing their favorite garlic recipes. Winner of the first PBS Interactive Innovation of the Year Award.
 * Moneytrack – an ongoing series on investment management.

KTEH was the production company for several other productions:
 * The War: Nisei Soldiers (2007)
 * The War: Soldados (2007)
 * Dave Tatsuno: Movies and Memories (2006)
 * Cosmopolitan (2003)
 * Return to the Valley (2003)
 * Rich Dad, Poor Dad with Robert Kiyosaki (2001)
 * Adventures with Kanga Roddy (1998)
 * The First Seven Years (1998)
 * Cadillac Desert (1997)
 * The Battle for Mono Lake (1997)
 * The Men Who Sailed the Liberty Ships (1994)
 * When Abortion Was Illegal: Untold Stories (1992)
 * The Day After Trinity (1981)
 * Tomorrow/Today (1981)
 * Kaleidoscope (1979)
 * Fluorocarbons: The Unfinished Agenda (1977)
 * The Aerosol Factor (1975)

Analog-to-digital conversion
KQEH (as KTEH) shut down its analog signal, over UHF channel 54, on June 12, 2009, as part of the federally mandated transition from analog to digital television. The station's digital signal remained on its pre-transition UHF channel 50, using PSIP to display KQEH's virtual channel as 54 on digital television receivers, which was among the high band UHF channels (52-69) that were removed from broadcasting use as a result of the transition. On January 17, 2018, KQEH ceased broadcasting on UHF channel 50 from Monument Peak Tower near Milpitas, and moved to UHF channel 30 broadcasting from Sutro Tower in San Francisco, a frequency shared with KQED.

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Erwin Vandenbergh

Erwin Vandenbergh (born 26 January 1959) is a Belgian retired professional footballer who played as a forward. Between 1979 and 1991, he finished six times topscorer of the Belgian First Division (a record as of 2020), with three clubs (the first three with Lierse, the following two with Anderlecht, and the last one with Gent). In 1980, he was European topscorer with 39 goals out of 34 games. As a Belgium national team regular, Vandenbergh scored a memorable victory goal against Argentina in the opening game of the 1982 World Cup in Spain.

Vandenbergh also played for the French club Lille with his Belgium national team partner Filip Desmet under the management of another fellow Belgian Georges Heylens. His son, Kevin Vandenbergh, has also become a professional football striker.

Honours
Anderlecht
 * Belgian First Division: 1984–85, 1985–86
 * Belgian Super Cup: 1985
 * UEFA Cup: 1982–83; runners-up 1983–84
 * Jules Pappaert Cup: 1977, 1983, 1985
 * Bruges Matins: 1985

Belgium
 * UEFA European Championship: runners-up 1980
 * FIFA World Cup: fourth place 1986
 * Belgian Sports Merit Award: 1980

Individual
 * Belgian First Division top scorer: 1979–80 (39 goals), 1980–81 (24 goals), 1981–82 (25 goals), 1982–83 (20 goals), 1985–86 (27 goals), 1990–91 (23 goals)
 * European Golden Shoe: 1979–80 (39 goals)
 * Ballon d'Or nominations: 1980, 1983
 * Belgian Golden Shoe: 1981
 * UEFA Cup top scorer: 1982–83 (seven goals)
 * UEFA Euro 1984 qualifying: Group 1 top scorer (four goals)
 * Best AA Gent-Player of the Season: 1990–91

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Pete Rose Jr.

Peter Edward "PJ" Rose Jr. (born November 16, 1969) is an American former professional baseball player and manager. The son of Major League Baseball's all-time hits leader Pete Rose, Rose Jr. played in the minor leagues for most of his career except for a brief stint in for the Cincinnati Reds. Rose has since worked as a manager of multiple teams in both affiliated and independent minor league baseball.

Childhood
Rose was often shown on national television during his childhood years as a batboy for his father's teams. When his father joined the Phillies in 1979, Rose spent time with Aaron Boone, Bret Boone, Ryan Luzinski, and Mark McGraw in the Phillies clubhouse. He appeared on a 1982 Fleer baseball card (#640) titled "Pete & Re-Pete; Pete Rose & son" with his father; he was twelve at the time. As a teenager, on September 11, 1985, he made an emotional on-field appearance live on ESPN to celebrate with his father after Rose Sr. broke Ty Cobb's record for most career hits.

Baseball career
In his youth, Rose played baseball for Bridgetown, a suburb of Cincinnati. He would later become a fixture in baseball's minor leagues. He began his pro baseball career when he was drafted by the Baltimore Orioles and was assigned to the Erie Orioles of the New York–Penn League in 1989. In 1990 he joined the class A Frederick Keys of the Carolina League. In 1992 he played for the Columbus Red Stixx of the class A South Atlantic League. In 1993 he returned to the Carolina league this time playing for the Prince William Cannons (Woodbridge, Virginia -White Sox affiliate). In April 1994 Rose was signed by the Chicago White Sox.

Rose's best minor league season was in 1997 at Chattanooga, for the Chattanooga Lookouts, at age 27. He hit .308 in 112 games with 25 home runs, 98 RBIs, 31 doubles and 75 runs scored for the Lookouts. Later that year, Rose was called up to the Cincinnati Reds for his only appearances in the major leagues. He hit .143 in 11 games for the Reds, but was widely shown on popular sports highlight shows when he copied his father's famous crouching batting stance during the first pitch of his first Major League at-bat. The junior Rose's two MLB hits give him and his father 4,258 combined hits, the fourth-most ever by a father and son behind Bobby and Barry Bonds, Ken Griffey Sr. and Jr., and Gus and Buddy Bell. The Roses are also the only father-and-son combo to get over 6,000 hits in professional baseball, including both majors and minors, with 6,467 at the end of 2009.

In 1998, while playing for the Indianapolis Indians of the International League, Rose and three teammates hit for the rare "homer cycle" in one inning; Rose opened the inning with a solo home run; Jason Williams, three at-bats later, hit a three-run home run; four batters later, Glen Murray hit a grand slam; and two hitters later, Guillermo Garcia hit a two-run shot to complete the cycle.

Rose played for the Tigres de Chinandega, a Nicaraguan professional baseball team during the 2007–2008 offseason. In 2007 and 2008, he played for the Long Island Ducks of the independent Atlantic League. He signed with the York Revolution on June 27, 2009, and was released on September 14.

Coaching career
In 2011, Rose joined the White Sox coaching staff and became the manager of their Appalachian League (rookie league) affiliate in Bristol. In 2013, he moved up to the Pioneer League with the affiliate in Great Falls, Montana. After one season, he advanced to the lower-A South Atlantic League team in Kannapolis, North Carolina.

On February 16, 2016, Rose was named manager of the Wichita Wingnuts in the American Association of Independent Professional Baseball. In 2017, the team announced that his contract would not be renewed.

Conviction for GBL distribution
In November 2005, Rose was indicted for distributing gamma-Butyrolactone (GBL) to his Lookouts teammates in the late 1990s. GBL is known to be sold under the counter at retailers as a sports performance enhancer as well as a sedative. When taken orally, GBL is converted to the "date-rape" drug GHB [gamma hydroxybutyrate]. Rose pleaded guilty to this charge on November 7, 2005, claiming that he distributed GBL to teammates to help them relax after games. On May 1, 2006, Rose was convicted and sentenced to one month in federal prison and house arrest for five more months after release from prison.

During that time, he started with the Bridgeport Bluefish on July 25, 2006, and played for them through the remainder of the 2006 season.

In December 2007, Rose's name was released in Kirk Radomski's unsealed affidavit as an alleged user of performance-enhancing drugs. Rose was one of only four baseball players listed in the affidavit who was not referenced in the Mitchell Report, together with Sid Fernandez, Rick Holyfield, and Ryan Schurman.

Minor League

 * Games: 1,918
 * At Bats: 6,938
 * Hits: 1,879
 * Runs: 897
 * Doubles: 357
 * Triples: 30
 * Home runs: 158
 * Runs batted in: 1
 * Batting average: .271
 * Bases on balls: 723
 * Strikeouts: 825
 * Stolen bases: 36
 * Caught stealing: 27

Major League

 * Games: 11
 * At bats: 14
 * Runs scored: 2
 * Hits: 2
 * Doubles: 0
 * Triples: 0
 * Home runs: 0
 * Runs batted in: 1
 * Total bases: 2
 * Bases on balls: 2
 * Strikeouts: 9
 * Stolen bases: 0
 * Caught stealing: 0
 * On-base percentage: .250
 * Slugging percentage: .143
 * Batting average: .143

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There's No Other Way

"There's No Other Way" is a song by English band Blur, released on 15 April 1991 as the second single from their debut album Leisure.

Content
The song utilises a beat and tambourine sound typical of songs of the Madchester and baggy scene.

Release and reception
The song was the band's first top 10 in the UK, reaching number 8 on the UK Singles Chart. The single was also a minor hit in the US, reaching number 82 on the Billboard Hot 100, and number five on the Billboard Modern Rock Tracks chart.

Alan Jones of Music Week awarded the song his 'Pick of the Week', writing: "Blur are bound to break big with this organ-bleeding, guitar-powered, post-psychedelic delight, a dancefloor and radio-friendly monster in the making." Linda Ryan of the Gavin Report called it a "trippy pop song with breathy vocals set to a groovin' housebeat... It's a perfect '60s meets '90s vibe with an undeniable hook that begs for another play." In Smash Hits, Miranda Sawyer said: "[The] song is fab! Lots of guitars and it sounds like the '60s, with a tune that's so catchy that it was very nearly Single Of The Fortnight."

Music video
There are two music videos for the song, both videos were released in 1991.

UK video
The UK video for the song was directed by David Balfe, the former keyboardist for The Teardrop Explodes and owner of Blur's label Food Records. The video was produced by Anita Staines through Radar Films.

The video begins with a close-up shot of a worm inching through the grass. A pink ball is dropped next to the worm and a young girl picks it up, throwing it to her identical twin sister nearby. The scene cuts inside the dining room/kitchen of a suburban house, with Albarn and the rest of the band sitting down at a table. A woman, assumed to be the mother (actress Karen Ford) sets out dishes on the table with the help of the girls. Soup and bread rolls are the first course, this is followed by chicken pie, carrot batons, broccoli florets, gravy and new potatoes.

During the first course the family is then joined by a man assumed to be the father, and the whole group digs into the meal. During the meal, Albarn will occasionally stop eating, look up at the camera, and sing along to the lyrics.

After dinner has ended, the mother gets up from the table and retrieves a trifle from a cabinet, which she holds up in front of her face. The camera then gets distorted and jerky, the view filling up with a variety of colorful, loud filters applied to the film. The family looks at the mother with a mixture of apprehension and excitement as the film gets more distorted and layered with effects. As the song ends, the camera cuts back to a clear shot of the worm crawling in the grass again.

US video
The US video for the song was directed by Matthew Amos, the video consists of the band playing the song in a private pool, with colorful and psychedelic effects shown in the video.

Legacy
A playable version of the song is available for the Rock Band video game series, and it is available to download for Guitar Hero 5. Kurt Cobain of Nirvana told NME that "There's No Other Way" was his favourite British song of 1991.

This song was used as background music in the 11th episode of season five of Buffy the Vampire Slayer entitled "Triangle".

Track listings
All songs were written by Blur.

7-inch and cassette
 * 1) "There's No Other Way" – 3:14
 * 2) "Inertia"

12-inch
 * 1) "There's No Other Way" (extended version) – 4:04
 * 2) "Inertia" – 3:51
 * 3) "Mr Briggs" – 3:59
 * 4) "I'm All Over" – 2:00

CD
 * 1) "There's No Other Way" – 3:14
 * 2) "Inertia" – 3:51
 * 3) "Mr Briggs" – 3:59
 * 4) "I'm All Over" – 2:00

Remix 12-inch
 * 1) "There's No Other Way" (Blur remix) – 5:09
 * 2) "Won't Do It" – 3:19
 * 3) "Day Upon Day" (live) – 4:02

Credits
Blur
 * Damon Albarn – lead vocals, organ, production on "Inertia", "Mr Briggs", "I'm All Over" and "Won't Do It"
 * Graham Coxon – guitar, backing vocals, production on "Inertia", "Mr Briggs", "I'm All Over" and "Won't Do It"
 * Alex James – bass guitar, production on "Inertia", "Mr Briggs", "I'm All Over" and "Won't Do It"
 * Dave Rowntree – drums, production on "Inertia", "Mr Briggs", "I'm All Over" and "Won't Do It"

Additional personnel
 * Stephen Street – production on "There's No Other Way"

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User talk:Bruguiea

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Question on Talk:The Economist
I have replied to your question on the above page, in case you are still interested. --Oldak Quill 20:12, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Merging References into External Links
I had reservations about your recent edit to the Car battery article. Citing sources states:

 * Further reading/external links

 * An ==External links== or ==Further reading== section is placed at the end of an article after the References section, and offers books, articles, and links to websites related to the topic that might be of interest to the reader, but which have not been used as sources for the article.

I have tried to stick to this myself for as long as I have been aware of the distinction. I did indeed rely on the links I put in the References section as sources. I wanted to request your take on this before reversing your edit, in case there is something I have not considered. -thanks, -Onceler 19:26, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

 * I didn't know about this policy. Actually, I used the articles as a reference too, but they have more information over there. Do whatever you feel is appropriate.

Tony 02:27, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

If that is the case, you might want to change some of your ==External Links== to ==References== as well. I leave that to your best judgement. -Onceler 02:04, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Dred Scott's death
You have removed a claim Dred Scott died of consumption, alleging it referred to AIDS. Why?

--

Leandro GFC Dutra 15:20, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

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Tony 15:58, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

User:Descry
Thanks for experimenting with the page User:Descry on Wikipedia. Your test worked, and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks. JHMM13 (T | C)  23:00, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

80 members of parliament
Hi. Someone is trying to delete the article you created on "les 80". Could you please give your opinion here. Merci beaucoup. -- JJay 15:06, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

False discovery rate
Hi Tony. Regarding your message on my user page, I'm afraid that it's a bit beyond my expertise, though I can make some general comments that might be helpful. I also find myself a bit too busy with work at present to do much wikification. I think the opening paragraph is good, but there should be more exposition in the sections that follow, explaining the context in more detail. There also seems to be some jargon about activation in the table there. Is that from signal processing? Finally, since the formula (\forall k \leq i) etc. is quite simple, I wondered if there might be some simple derivation or explanation for it. Cheers, Ben Cairns 09:41, 3 April 2006 (UTC).

TeX
Hello. Note that in TeX, you don't need to write \operatorname{min}; you can just write \min. This not only prevents italicization, but also affects spacing and the position of subscripts. Thus if you type \min_i x_i, you get this:

 * $$\min_i x_i\,$$

whereas with \operatorname{min}_i x_i, you get this:

 * $$\operatorname{min}_i x_i\,$$

Notice both the smaller space between "min" and "xi in the second version, and also the difference between the positions of the subscript i in the two versions. Michael Hardy 02:03, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Forshaw
As a heads up, I deleted your link to his number in the AfD. It's just not safe, I know you meant no harm and were just making a point. Happy editing! T e  K  E  02:38, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Your nominations
Could you consider giving more reason then "nn" in your nominations. It takes time to create articles, and people are owed an explanation, as to why they should be deleted. There may be a perfectly valid reason why you think something is "non notable", but it should be stated. I feel this is an issue of showing respect for the time of others. --Rob 10:31, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Another way to show respect for the time of others would be not to nominate high schools. It is around a year since an article about a genuine high school was deleted, but in that time there have been hundreds of failed nominations, which between them have wasted a great deal of time. Nominating high schools serves no purpose except making a point and it creates ill feeling in the community, so please don't do it again. CalJW 10:19, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I know that the threshold for wikipedia is at high school and we delete anything below. This nomination is about something that is a mix of middle school, junior high and high and, in this case of a mix, I honestly thought it should be deleted. Sorry for not putting that in the nomination. Tony 15:42, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Actually, that's not the threshold anymore. What you say was partly true in 2004.  Please review Watch/schoolwatch/Schools for deletion archive and Watch/schoolwatch/Schools for deletion archive/2005.  The standard for a year is to keep virtually all elementaries and middle schools.  Most deleetions have been for copyright violations, attack content, or verifiability issues.  But not "notability".  Netivot Hatorah Day School and York Hill Elementary School were the last verifiable real elementary schools deleted on Wikipedida, back in August 2005 (they were the exception at that time).  Things like preschools and unaccredited schools continue to be deleted of course.  But not verifiable real elementaries and middle schools.   -Rob 17:53, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

RE-The Vichy 80
Hi,
 * Original message :

I am a bit puzzled by your edit on The Vichy 80 article. Why did you remove the wiki to fr:Loi constitutionnelle du 10 juillet 1940? Although it's not exactly the same subject, it's fairly close. Actual, there was some Talk:The Vichy 80 to split the English article if enough material gets included, but in the meantime, isn't better to keep the cross wiki? Tony 14:08, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Réponse/Answer :

I can anderstand you idee. But i prefere that links are good. Maybe we could advise the reader that it isn't the same subject. However i don't speack english very well, so you can do as you want. --Pseudomoi 19:22, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

advertisement
"advertisement on wikipedia.....Why not make it optional, so that each user decides if he/she wants to see the advertisement"

It seems like it would be very easy to provide users with this choice in the Wikipedia user preferences, a check box that would say "support Wikipedia by turning on ads." An advertisement system such as that used at this website could be activated. --JWSchmidt 14:13, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Shadowrun
Actually, there is an article called Shadowrun (Xbox 360) that has been in existance for some time. I saw your merge tag and thought I would tell you. Thunderbrand 03:03, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

 * I don't play videogames so thank you for correcting my mistakes. Tony 03:06, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Rosario Isasi
I'd wait a while. There needs to be enough time between the last AfD and the next one so that people don't complain that it was re-listed too quickly. Plus I'm still holding out hope that maybe somebody will produce a decent source that vouches for her notability although it looks like the two main supporters have given up at this point. — GT 20:24, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Your sandbox
Please move it to a subpage. It is actually a regestered user. The Republican 02:14, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Huh? Tony 02:17, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Eagles
You recently added a {verify} tag at the top of this article. Much of the content in the article is factual (band members, discography, etc), so I suspect you are questioning content in specific sections and/or paragraphs. It would be helpful to those of us who monitor that article if you could move the {verify} tag to the section you feel needs work, and/or add some specific comments to the article's talk page. -- Engineer Bob 17:51, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Sorry about the confusion. I posted the thing here. Tony 01:49, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

VandalProof 1.2 Now Available
 After a lenghty, but much-needed Wikibreak, I'm happy to announce that version 1.2 of VandalProof is now available for download! Beyond fixing some of the most obnoxious bugs, like the persistent crash on start-up that many have experienced, version 1.2 also offers a wide variety of new features, including a stub-sorter, a global user whitelist and blacklist, navigational controls, and greater customization. You can find a full list of the new features here. While I believe this release to be a significant improvement over the last, it's nonetheless nowhere near the end of the line for VandalProof. Thanks to Rob Church, I now have an account on test.wikipedia.org with SysOp rights and have already been hard at work incorporating administrative tools into VandalProof, which I plan to make available in the near future. An example of one such SysOp tool that I'm working on incorporating is my simple history merge tool, which simplifies the process of performing history merges from one article into another. Anyway, if you haven't already, I'd encourage you to download and install version 1.2 and take it out for a test-drive. As always, your suggestions for improvement are always appreciated, and I hope that you will find this new version useful. Happy editing! --AmiDaniel (talk) 02:10, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

About ESIEE
Bonjour Tony. J'ai essayé de modifier l'article sur l'ESIEE pour y faire figurer l'apprentissage qui débute en septembre : un formation d'ingénieurs réseaux en alternance. Mon niveau d'anglais étant ce qu'il est, si vous trouvez une meilleure traduction n'hésitez pas à l'y mettre à la place. En tant qu'élève de l'ESIEE, je peux vous certifier la validité de l'info. De plus elle est aussi disponible sur www.esiee.fr Boris SCHAPIRA (GroquiK-GK)

regarding your edits to the WP:AFD
please try and avoid accidental blankings of large pages--205.188.116.9 20:46, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It's very messy and time consuming to cleanup, especially when other people don't notice it and go on adding things to the page, making a simple revert impossible--205.188.116.9 21:40, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, there was an edit conflict and things got messed up. Tony 15:26, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It's fixed, I think, though someone may want to check over my work. BigDT 21:22, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Hotelling T square distribution
I think you may have misread the first sentence of Hotelling's T-square distribution. It only says that the T-square distribution is used in multivariate hypothesis testing. Nowhere does it say that the distribution itself is multivariate. In fact, you just need to look at the definition of the $$T^2$$ test statistic to see that it is a scalar (essentially, a weighted inner product of two vectors). Also see the corresponding entry on MathWorld. Cheers, --MarkSweep (call me collect) 18:48, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Yes, you are right. Sorry about the inconvenience. Tony 01:51, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Band plurals
I just saw your message at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style, but as that was a few weeks ago, I'm replying here in case you aren't watching that page any more. American_and_British_English_differences probably explains this better than I can, but British English uses are a band and American English uses is a band. Bands named the Somethings such as the Eagles, complicate matters. I always thought that the plural is used in these situations in Am Eng, but as a Br Eng speaker I may be wrong. Possibly both are acceptable. The general rule of thumb is to use is a band for American bands, are a band for British bands, and whichever was used first for bands from non-English speaking countries. Oldelpaso 10:59, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Online Tutoring
Thanks for removing the online tutoring providers link (several times) on this page. I started this page and took on the lofty task of trying to provide a useful summary. Later experience on Wikipedia informs me that this kind of link does not belong on this page. I'm happy to note that the page hasnt changed much content-wise besides this.

Your request for arbitration
As a Clerk of the Arbitration Committee, I noticed that in your request for arbitration concerning Online Tutoring, you did not indicated that you had notified the other parties of your request. You are required to provide a notification to each of the other parties and provide a link to it in the request. Please do this as soon as possible.

The arbitrators who have commented so far have suggested that this matter is not suitable for arbitration because earlier steps in dispute resolution have not been explored. You may want to consider withdrawing your arbitration request and trying to address the issue you are concerned about through other means. Newyorkbrad 13:42, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Because 4 arbitrators have rejected your case, I have speedily removed the case from request for arbitration page. You should try to use request for comments, third opinion, and/or request for mediation first. - Penwhale | Blast him / Follow his steps 07:43, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Although I have voted to decline, and your case seems unlikely to be accepted, I have restored your request for now, as I believe its removal was a bit premature. Regards Paul August ☎ 16:52, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

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We use the shorthand notation to denote the joint probability of $$(X, T(X))$$ by $$f_\theta(x,t)$$. Since $$T$$ is a function of $$X$$, we have $$f_\theta(x,t) = f_\theta(x)$$ and thus:

 * $$f_\theta(x) = f_\theta(x,t) = f_{\theta | t}(x) f_\theta(t) $$

with the last equality being true by the definition of conditional probability distributions. Thus $$f_\theta(x)=a(x) b_\theta(t)$$ with $$a(x) = f_{\theta | t}(x)$$ and $$b(x) = f_\theta(t)$$.

Reciprocally, if $$f_\theta(x)=a(x) b_\theta(t)$$, we have

\begin{align} f_\theta(t) & = \sum _{x : T(x) = t} f_\theta(x, t) \\ & = \sum _{x : T(x) = t} f_\theta(x) \\ & = \sum _{x : T(x) = t} a(x) b_\theta(t) \\ & = \left( \sum _{x : T(x) = t} a(x) \right) b_\theta(t) \end{align}$$

With the first equality by the definition of pdf for multiple variables, the second by the remark above, the third by hypothesis, and the fourth because the summation is not over $$t$$.

Thus, the conditional probability distribution is:

\begin{align} f_{\theta|t}(x) & = \frac{f_\theta(x, t)}{f_\theta(t)} \\ & = \frac{f_\theta(x)}{f_\theta(t)} \\ & = \frac{a(x) b_\theta(t)}{\left( \sum _{x : T(x) = t} a(x) \right) b_\theta(t)} \\ & = \frac{a(x)}{\sum _{x : T(x) = t} a(x)} \end{align}$$

With the first equality by definition of conditional probability density, the second by the remark above, the third by the equality proven above, and the fourth by simplification. This expression does not depend of $$\theta$$ and thus $$T$$ is a sufficient statistics.

Theophile Bruguier
It's really not easy to judge at present - clearly you need time to get together more material. But what there is so far looks promising, and potentially quite a lot more interesting than the average city founder who did nothing except acquire land and leave children. We'll just have to see what it looks like when you've had a chance to research a bit further. HeartofaDog (talk • contribs) 00:35, 20 September 2007 (UTC) sorry, saved too soon) If you add in the extra information from the links you give, that should be enough to warrant taking the tag off again.HeartofaDog (talk • contribs) 00:40, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

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Hi I took an "unprofessional" look at your article on False Discovery Rate. I made some changes to the first paragraph. Looked good to me other then that. {*TEE DUB*} (talk) 18:56, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

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-- This typo is still present--221.191.250.171 (talk) 06:14, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

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Online Tutoring Redirected to Virtual Education
Thanks for your efforts on the original page Bruguiea. I noticed Jbmurray, Mark Quigley and Bazzargh have successfully killed this page and redirected it. Those guys really do good stuff but as I are fallible sometimes as in this case, in my opinion. Only in a world in which professionals in one area try to increase the breadth of their contributions through catch-all aggregation would online tutoring be subsumed under virtual education. Is tutoring and education the same thing? Tutoring is an activity that implies action by some professional human or agent while education exists in a broader context that might not even include tutoring for a successful attainment of its purpose. Its ok to request improvement to the Online Tutoring page and if I had the time (and might in future) I would improve it. But directing users to Virtual Education when they request information or description of Online Tutoring weakens Wikipedia and does not serve seekers well. It also does not help them find the content well as it does not rank on good engines since it is not the same thing.

The problem I had with the Online Tutoring page (which for full disclosure I created) was attempts to turn it into a web directory. Otherwise, it provides (or should) the information seekers need on online tutoring and that specifically. And more professional work needs to be done also (nothing on research on effectiveness of virtual education, new work on speech recognition in browsers and disability etc) on that Virtual Education page rather than going around copying or aggregating related but different contents from other pages and minimizing Wikipedia. Just my opinion but I still love what you guys do seeing I cant even commit a tenth the time. --keal (talk) 18:30, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

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I noticed some of your comments on that page and think they were quite relevant. The entire article reads like a sales pitch for her books. Evolotutionary sociobiology is quite controversial in scientific circles and yet there is no mention of any problems in the entire article. I don't have on hand the resources to delve deeper into this. But you'd be on the right path if you did... cheers--Tallard (talk) 03:00, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Image added at QR decomposition
Hi Bruguiea, I have a few comments on the image you just added: Also, there are some grammatical issues in the caption; I suggest you replace "... a vector of same length by collinear to e1 ..." with "... a vector of same length which is collinear to e1 ..." and replace "Instead the Householder reflection do a symmetry along the dashed line" with "Instead, the Householder reflection reflects through the dotted line (chosen to bisect the angle between x and e1)." Also, it's not clear to me what the significance of the last sentence of the caption is. Thanks for adding the image! (And sorry for nit-picking.) --Joel B. Lewis (talk) 02:04, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Something seems wrong with the arrows at the topmost vertex
 * Is it possible to make the font agree with, e.g., the LaTeX math font? (This is just personal taste.)
 * Why is there so much empty space at the top of the image?
 * The fact that the dotted line is dotted is not visible in the article; maybe make it dashed instead?

 * Hi Tony, thanks for your changes -- it looks very nice now! (I would have tried to help, but I don't know the first thing about either uploading files to Wikipedia or using Inkscape.)  --Joel B. Lewis (talk) 03:37, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

VATSTATS
Hi. VATSATS is a website for virtual airlines/flight simulator pilots - they are not real. It is connected to Virtual Air Traffic Simulation Network. Not a reliable source for articles. Secretlady (talk) 07:49, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

 * I indeed made a mistake. Thanks for fixing it. Tony (talk) 17:09, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

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Jean Reynaud

Jean Ernest Reynaud (February 14, 1806–July 28, 1863) was a French mining engineer and socialist philosopher.

He was a member of the Saint-Simonian community. He was a co-founder of the Encyclopédie nouvelle.

Life
He was born in Lyon on 4 February 1806. He graduated from the Polytechnic School in Lyon in 1827 and joined the School of Mines. In May 1829 he began a four month study tour of Germany including the Harz Mountains, Black Forest, Saxony, Hanover, Oldenbourg and Westphalia. He then spent a further two months studying mines in Belgium and the Netherlands. He graduated from the mining school in 1830.

He was briefly imprisoned in the uprising of 1830. In 1854 he invented a new religious philosophy regarding the transmigration of souls which he saw as compatible both with traditional Christian views and modern ideas regarding reincarnation.

He died in Paris on 28 June 1863 and was buried there in Pere Lachaise Cemetery.

Publications

 * Minéralogie des Gens du Monde (1836)
 * Histoire Élémentaire des Minéraux Usuels (1842)
 * Terre et Ciel (1854)

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