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Asylum (Kiss album)

Asylum is the thirteenth studio album by American rock band Kiss, released on September 16, 1985. The album marked a continuation of the glam metal sound of the preceding album Animalize.

Recording
Asylum is the first album to feature lead guitarist Bruce Kulick as an official band member. Kulick had replaced former guitarist Mark St. John on two tracks on the previous album Animalize (1984), during the latter's absence due to reactive arthritis. Subsequently, Kulick filled St. John's spot on most segments of the Animalize tour. This new lineup of Paul Stanley, Gene Simmons, Eric Carr, and Kulick would last until Carr's death in November 1991, while Kulick would stay with the band until the reunion of the original lineup in 1996.

The song "Love's a Deadly Weapon" credits Plasmatics members Rod Swenson and Wes Beech as it borrows heavily from their band's song "Party". The title and lyrics are however taken from a 1981 Kiss demo written by Paul Stanley that was officially released on the 40th Anniversary remaster of Destroyer (1976).

Another Plasmatics member Jean Beauvoir is also credited as songwriter and plays bass on at least two songs.

Cover
The album cover depicts the four band members with colored lips, mirroring the colors of the 1978 solo releases: red for Simmons, purple for Stanley, blue for Kulick (replacing Ace Frehley) and green for Carr (replacing Peter Criss). The placement of the band’s faces also mirrors 1979’s Dynasty cover: (clockwise from top left) Stanley, Simmons, Carr (replacing Criss), & Kulick (replacing Frehley). The artwork for the back cover is similarly stylised and colourful, depicting Kiss against a white background. The cover art of the remastered 1998 CD release of Asylum featured slightly altered, bolder colours than that of the original release.

Singles
"Tears Are Falling" was the only track to be released for retail sales as a single and was a hit for the band, with the video, in particular, proving popular on MTV. A total of three music videos for the album were filmed on set in London, England, for the songs "Who Wants to Be Lonely", "Uh! All Night" and "Tears Are Falling".

Reception
The album was certified Gold in November 1985 by the RIAA.

Track listing
All credits adapted from the original release.

Personnel

 * Kiss
 * Paul Stanley – vocals, rhythm guitar, bass on "Tears Are Falling"
 * Gene Simmons – bass, vocals
 * Eric Carr – drums, percussion, backing vocals
 * Bruce Kulick – lead guitar, backing vocals

 * Additional musicians
 * Jean Beauvoir – bass and backing vocals on "Who Wants to Be Lonely" and "Uh! All Night"
 * Allan Schwartzberg – additional drums overdubs

 * Production
 * Dave Wittman – engineer, mixing
 * Ed Garcia, Ken Steiger – assistant engineers
 * George Marino – mastering at Sterling Sound, New York

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User:SpectrumDT/DreamTyrant

Dream Tyrant is a heavy metal band from Denmark. They play a combination of power metal, black metal and death metal.

Dream Tyrant is currently "on hold".

Statistics

 * Genre: Power metal, black metal, death metal
 * Country: Denmark
 * Status: On hold
 * Record label: Unsigned
 * Time: 2003-...

Biography
Dream Tyrant is founded in 2003 by vocalist Claus Appel and guitarist Jacob Collstrup, with Claus being the primus motor and main songwriter. Claus' musical vision is a combination of power metal, black metal and death metal.

Lyrical themes are philosophy, politics, fantasy and science fiction. While the lyrical message may be real-life based, the form/aesthetics of the lyrics is always mythological and fantasy-inspired.

In August 2005, band leader Claus decided to disband Dream Tyrant for the time being, since they had had very little success in finding competent and enthusiastic musicians, and also because Claus felt unable to fill the role of band leader (for personal as well as economical reasons). Dream Tyrant now lies dead but dreaming, waiting for the day when the stars are right in the sky, so that the band may rise again to inherit the Earth.

Discography
Dream Tyrant has yet to record any material.

Current Members

 * Claus Appel - vocals - (2003-..., founding member)

Former Members

 * Jacob Collstrup - lead and rhythm guitar - (2003-2005, founding member)
 * Marianne Lund - bass, vocals - (2004-2005)
 * Simon Heiberg - guitar - (2004)
 * Carl Johan Hanberg - drums - (2005)
 * Tim Nederveen - lead and rhythm guitar - (2005)
 * Hasse Kristensen - drums - (2005)

Extra information
The layout of this page was based on the page for Nile.

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

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Talk:Kyrgyz som

denominations as of 2008
As of 2008 there are now coins in the 10 tiyin, 50 tiyin, 1 com, 3 com and 5 com denominations.

There is also a 5,000 com bill which I don't see here

 * , who wrote the above, neglected to put a section heading, so I've added one. And they were apparently thinking in Cyrillic, where som is сом. --Thnidu (talk) 23:27, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Sign as similar to that of ruble
I am using Windows 8.1 and, in several fonts, I see ⃀ as very similar to the ruble sign ₽, but while the som sign has serifs, the ruble one doesn't. Is it a known error? --Error (talk) 00:20, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

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Colmán of Lindisfarne

Colmán of Lindisfarne (c. 605 – 18 February 675 AD) also known as Saint Colmán was Bishop of Lindisfarne from 661 until 664.

Life
Colman was a native of the west of Ireland and had received his education on Iona. He was probably a nobleman of the Conmaicne Mara. Colman succeeded Aidan and Finan as bishop of Lindisfarne, being appointed in 661. Colman resigned the Bishopric of Lindisfarne after the Synod of Whitby called by King Oswiu of Northumbria decided to calculate Easter using the method of the First Ecumenical Council instead of his preferred Celtic method. The change to the Roman Method led Colmán to leave and travel back to Scotland and eventually, back to Iona.

Later tradition states that between the years 665 and 667, Colman founded several churches in Scotland before returning to Iona. However, there are no seventh-century records of such activity by him. From Iona he sailed for Ireland, settling at Inishbofin in 668 AD where he founded a monastery, the School of Mayo. When Colman came to Mayo he brought with him half the relics of Lindisfarne, including the bones of St. Aidan and a part of the true cross. This was reputed to be in Mayo Abbey until its vanishment during the Reformation in 1537.

Colman was stepping into a landscape that had been decimated by the plague of 664–665. He may have been reviving an earlier church on the island or one in the area in central Connacht where Maigh Eo was founded later. On Inishbofin a rift occurred between the Irish and the English "because in summer the Irish went off to wander on their own around places they knew instead of assisting at harvest, and then, as winter approached, came back and wanted to share whatever the English monks had gathered."

What was the reason for their intermittent absence? Earlier commentators suspected that the two nations came from different agricultural backgrounds and that the Irish intermittently removed themselves from the island with the monastery's livestock for the purpose of ‘booleying’, a form of transhumance. It is also possible that the Irish visited their kinsfolk on the mainland. Returning to the island in winter, they helped to consume the fruits of the Saxons' labours. This situation inevitably led to tensions within the community. Disputes arose between the Saxon and Irish monks after a short time. Colman brought his Saxon followers onto the mainland and founded a monastery for them at "Magh Eó" - the Plain of Yew Trees, subsequently known as "Mayo of the Saxons".

Colman's last days were spent on the island of Inishbofin, where he died in 674. His feast is celebrated on 8 August and on 13 November.

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Talk:Meretz

Name change
It appears this party is called the New Movement-Meretz. This is also how they are called in Haaretz. I propose the name be changed. --Shamir1 (talk) 03:30, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Meretz and Yachad
What does "Meretz" and "Yachad" mean? --Checco (talk) 12:54, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Meretz Vitality and Yachad Together respectively, - C mon (talk) 20:05, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

The New Movement
We should get more information specifically on The New Movement (Hatnua haHadasha). Here are some links. A section should be made in the article describing their principles.

--Shamir1 (talk) 05:56, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * As Israel’s Labor Party Declines, a Rival Emerges on the Left
 * New dovish faction shaping up in Israel
 * As Labor fades, new leftist movement steps into the breach
 * Leftists say 'no choice' but to seek new political leadership
 * Meretz and Hatnua Hahadasha unveil their joint Knesset list

--Shamir1 (talk) 05:35, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Feted author Amos Oz says new leftist party will replace Labor
 * Barak to Haaretz: I was hurt by Amos Oz's words
 * Meretz chief looks to galvanize left wing with new political party

Far left label
is trying to insert the claim that Meretz is "far left". To support this claim he brings four opinion pieces that used the label. Of these the ynet piece appeared in a general media outlet - the others in more or less biased outlets. Establishing whether a party should be labeled as left or far left is a tricky business and it not clear whether Wikiepdia should engage in it and what is the value of such a label. Just for comparison, in the Hebrew Wikipedia Meretz is characterized as "left". Mashkin (talk) 16:09, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The article now describes Meretz as "far left" and "social democratic". Rather contradictory as social democracy is an ideology leaning towards the centre.--Autospark (talk) 16:34, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Sources were provided by two non-partisan sources and two other sources that are nonetheless RS from Ynet (mainstream Israel), IsraelNationalNews (Jewish), CBN (Christian), and the National Post (mainstream Canada). I'm not trying to insert a label, and the sources are news articles not opinion pieces as you claim. Establishing the label is not the business of you or me, especially to construe that from the news, unless is it explicitly used as in the sources provided. --Shuki (talk) 13:30, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Exactly. It is not your business to put labels on the party, but give the best possible description. Therefore source that are opinion pieces (that is exactly what they are) are not appropriate. Please do not insert the claim until the end of the discussion. Mashkin (talk) 13:44, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Three of those four sources have a clear right-wing bias (INN is very right-wing). The real test is if left-leaning media sources also describe the party as far-left (this is the criteria I used for far-right parties - i.e. did a right-wing source (e.g. the Jerusalem Post) desrcribe them as far-right). пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  13:46, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The Jerusalem Post is a right-wing paper? I don't see too much weight for that right label in its article. If you are going to use the litmus test (your POV OR litmus test only) that only 'like' organizations can describe like-parties, then you will have to find right-wing sources for your 'far-right' claims as well since you brought that subject up. WP is about equal conventions. --Shuki (talk) 14:04, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The Post is well-known to be right-wing in the same way that no-one with any sense of credibility could deny that Haaretz is left-wing. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  14:20, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Jpost is not well-known to be right-wing at all so I brought an additional source written by an Arab journalist. Are you going to claim that he is right-wing? --Shuki (talk) 14:30, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Jpost is very well known to be right-wing; either you are deliberately lying to try and win an argument, or your clear rightist bias is showing through again. And are you seriously trying to claim all Arabs are left-wing. Anyway, I've asked for a couple of editors who are able to keep their POV in check to comment here. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  14:34, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Number57, how can you claim that I am lying. I don't think Jpost is a right-wing joint. I wish it were. I am not claiming that all Arabs are left-wing, why do you put words in my mouth? I am bringing multiple RS to source the article and it is YOU who is getting quite hyped up about your baby. How else is one to explain your abuse of your admin permissions to protect the page so quickly? Many pages that are suggested at WP:RFPP never get approved with much more frequent and on going vandalism. It's your POV that your are denying RS.--Shuki (talk) 14:43, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't state that you were definitely lying, I said lying or allowing your bias to show through.
 * As for accusing me of abusing my admin status, I suggest you actually look at the article logs. I started semi-protecting the article a long-time ago (along with several other articles on left-wing parties like Hadash and Maki) because it is constantly attacked by sockpuppets of User:Runtshit if left unprotected. This article is not "my baby". Yes, I support Meretz, but I haven't really contributed much to this article beyond an expansion of its history section; I'm far more interested in historical parties and MKs than trying to fluff up this article.
 * Anyway, as noted in an edit summary, this far-left category looks like a pathetic response to my insistence that Kach et al are kept in the far-right parties category. There are a few far-left parties in Israeli political history (e.g. Progressive List for Peace and Meri), but Meretz is not amongst them (it's not even communist for a start). пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  14:59, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I think "left wing" is probably the best description. Meretz is a Zionist party and is social-democrat. This makes it more centrist than radical. Hadash or Balad would be considered far left on the Israeli political spectrum. Citing op-eds on political labels is problematic. Also, those labels are not purely factual, but are partly analytical (WP:ASF). -- Nudve (talk) 15:39, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Comment: I was asked to comment here by Number 57 after also being asked to do the same on the article about Likud. I have only read the most recent discussion (this section), so maybe some of the things said here are lost with me. Having said that, I would suppost saying that the party is left-wing in the lead/infobox, but with a clear explanation that it's also often considered far-left in the article (similarly to how it worked with Yisrael Beitenu).

The reason for the 'left-wing' label is that it's more common, and also that Meretz is the only pure left-wing party in Israel—Avoda and Kadima are center-left, and Hadash is clearly far-left. Meretz's policies are all universally left-wing, and it claims to be the "true left", but it's hard to call it far-left today because its current members are Zionist, support military service, etc.

The reason that it should be explained clearly about the far-left opinion is that, firstly, there is a significant number of individuals and secondary sources calling it far-left (Shuki provided some sources, such as Ynetnews, which are not 'right-wing'), and secondly, because in the past the Meretz party was clearly far-left (especially with Shulamit Aloni as leader). Notably, it was against mandatory military service, which is widely considered far-left and anti-Zionist in Israel.

On a side note, The Jerusalem Post is not inherently right-wing like Haaretz is left-wing, and it's incorrect to say that it is. Haaretz is staffed by left-wingers and publishes only the columns of those who agree with a left or extreme-left point of view. On the other hand, JPost publishes columns from both sides of the spectrum. IIRC they even published an OpEd from the Hamas-affiliated Norwegian doctor who was accused of staging a medical treatment (along with a Palestinian doctor) to create sympathy for the Palestinians. It's also the only major English-language newspaper in Israel, so it has to be mainstream and can't really afford to take sides on most issues, while Haaretz (offline) is in Hebrew-only and has catered primarily for leftists in Israel for many years now. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 23:20, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Not sure why you think Haaretz only publishes columns by left-wingers - today's has a piece by Moshe Arens, hardly a dove I'm sure you'll agree! пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  09:32, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

 * FWIW, the term is used worldwide by different writers and editors. It can't be claimed that it was a slip up by a partisan source. --Shuki (talk) 07:53, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * These opinions are not appropriate for the lead (where a succinct description of the party should be given) and do not deal with a significant enough issue to be included anywhere. Also in general these sources do not give reasons and hints as to how they diefne the term "far left". Mashkin (talk) 08:41, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * That's a poor argument. Neither do the references for 'left' describe what makes Meretz 'left'. And we are not asking for your POV, the discussion is about RS describing the party with a certain term. Please provide a RS why Meretz is not left or far-left.--Shuki (talk) 09:47, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

 * Please continue discussion on the Israel project page here. This is going nowhere without more visibility. --Shuki (talk) 09:55, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Quite the contrary, we have had four editors (myself, Nudve, Ynhockey and Mashkin) state that left-wing is the best description for the party, and only one editor (yourself) thinking that far-left is appropriate for the introduction. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  16:49, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Oy vey, so if you want to be nitpicky, yan did remark that he thinks that Meretz was far-left. 3 against one? How come no one else you invited came to support you? --Shuki (talk) 17:08, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you suggesting that I only invite editors I know will support me? Perhaps you should look at the Likud talk page, where Yan offered an opposing opinion to mine after I invited him. In fact I invite Nudve and Yan to discussions because they are amongst the few editors in this sphere who are knowledgeable and able to stick to NPOV. As I said on the WP Israel page, I'm fine with it being mentioned in the article, but not in the introduction as you seem to insist on. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  18:27, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Relax, not suggesting that at all. There is a term for that on WP, and I did not mention that or even now. --Shuki (talk) 18:42, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Just to clarify, I don't think think that it is in place to discuss whether there are people who label Meretz "far left". As I sadi, such a discussion should entail the definitions of the terms and is just too long and unrelated to the article. In any case the "source" that Shuki is using are really not to the point, since they just mention it in passing and do not explain how they arrived at the claim. (Several of Shuki's edits suffer from this problem.) Mashkin (talk) 18:41, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

 * Using that opinion, we should remove all left/right adjectives from articles because it is rare to find an academic paper explicitly labeling as such and justifying it. So we are relegated to pulling this description from the way the party is referred to in the media and dependant on their POV. The discussion is definitely not suitable in the article, that is why there are articles for left, far-left, as well as ultra & radical left as well. I suggest you read them all. --Shuki (talk) 22:28, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

 * You are making it very difficult to discuss things with you. You asked for a general discussion in the Israeli page and I voiced my opinion. Now you want a repetition here? First, the purpose of the labels is to give a quick mapping of the views of the party and therefore there is little point in delving too much on the subject. Specifically in the Israeli case I described what I think is the separator between left and far left (Zionism). so when you write a sentence some ... are you saying that they are claiming that Meretz is non Zionist? Maybe there are some who claim that, but I doubt that there the sources you are trying to insert claim it (it is hard to tell, since they are mentioning it in passing). Mashkin (talk) 05:42, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * A) the discussion there is meant to be general. B) You gave your opinion. So? I gave mine. I included sourced information that is relevant to describing the party. You disagree. I understand. Again, information from the international and local media no less is sourced, I am not making this up. Please stop removing it. --Shuki (talk) 19:17, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Stop trying to insert it until the end of the discussion. This is pretty elementry. Please addres the points I raised. Mashkin (talk) 21:20, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

 * If you haven't noticed, the discussion is over. I have inserted legitimate info that is directly relevant to giving a proper background to the article that is sourced to various different media from different countries and times. The info is not majority or the main item, yet significant enough nonetheless. If you insist on continuing to oppose this, please bring up the WP policies that you think might be relevant. In the meantime, the onus is on you now. Thank you. --Shuki (talk) 23:12, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The discussion is not over and it is not clear why you suddenly make this claim. You are violating various guidelines for editing articles in your behavior. Please do not insert the disputed sentence until the end of the discussion. Mashkin (talk) 23:16, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

 * Ain't it kind of funny that even here, there are six sources (including the NYT) and you refuse to accept it, while on another article you are editing, a lone partisan Ynet source seems to be enough for you. Is this another one of the articles you have assumed WP:OWNERSHIP --Shuki (talk) 23:17, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You have turned this into a personal issue and this is not helpful for Wikiepdia and point out that you edits are not good faith.
 * The reason that all these sources are not worthy of mentioning in this context is that there are off the cuff comemnts where the reasoning behind the label is not given.
 * We had a long discussion and all these points were made. Mashkin (talk) 23:29, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Should secularism be added as an ideology
Meretz, and their mythological leader Shulamit Aloni are known for their secularism, they even had a religious-secularist MK. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scarfac3 (talk • contribs) 01:56, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

 * The Congressional Research Service includes its secular ideology as part of the party's basic platform, as well as the fact that it represents peace activists. I have added both. --Shamir1 (talk) 06:46, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Move to "Meretz" and keep it there
All signs show they've completely forgot about "New Movement" (official site, facebook). There are no google news results for "New Movement – Meretz" (or any variation). I therefor propose that the page be moved to "Meretz". Furthermore, even if they should again rename themselves in the next election, the page should remain "Meretz" per (most likely) WP:COMMONNAME.  Rami  R  16:46, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd support this. It seems to be their only consistent name. Number   5  7  17:37, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support.--Autospark (talk) 18:11, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

OK, I've done it. Also I found that back in 2006 someone did a cut and paste move, so that history is no longer orphaned. Number  5  7  21:10, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Meretz supporters abroad
The organization Meretz USA is no longer affiliated with Meretz the political party in Israel. Meretz USA officially changed its name to "Partners for Progressive Israel" on August 11, 2011 (Nhersh (talk) 19:55, 1 August 2013 (UTC))
 * I've removed reference to Meretz USA. Number   5  7  20:12, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Meretz supporters abroad
In the section, "Meretz supporters abroad, the organization "Partners for Progressive Israel" should be added as the American affiliate of Meretz. Partners for Progressive Israel used to be known as "Meretz USA," and is still formally associated with the World Union of Meretz. Source: Nhersh (talk) 20:49, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Nhersh (talk) 20:49, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

 * ✅ Epicgenius (talk) 00:35, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Isn't this mention of her tweet WP:NOTNEWS? Seems extremely trivial. The other items in this list are at least organizations, not particular people. But I could be wrong. --gejyspa (talk) 15:56, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Page protected
Due to the slow motion edit warring, I have fully protected the article. The issue seems to be whether Meretz is socially liberal party. My own viewpoint is that this is a valid description of the party, as it is wholly unrelated to the party's economic policy (which is not liberal). However, no source was provided to back this up. Please provide/discuss. Thanks, Number   5  7  17:15, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Political position
I've removed this good-faith edit by someone I consider a very responsible editor. While I appreciate the use of scholarly sources, Meretz very clearly represents the left of Israel's political spectrum, and it is very consistently described as left-wing by both journalistic and scholarly sources alike. Indeed, the party has an extreme leftist image. To address the sources used, the first briefly mentions Meretz and Labor in the same sentence as the center-left opposition. The second describes Meretz as "left of center" (which means just that, anything left of center) and the Zionist Union and Yesh Atid as "center-left." If anything, this source, by using a different descriptor for Meretz than for center-left parties, also puts Meretz to the left of center-left—i.e., left-wing. Scholarly sources describing Meretz as left-wing are far more plentiful and authoritative.

Furthermore, including such sources opens the door to the opposite problem—describing Meretz as far left or radical left—which editors have done in the past. Scholarly sources saying this do exist. I oppose including this just as much as including the former. On balance, leaving it as left-wing is the best course action. --Precision123 (talk) 23:00, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree that it should be described as simply "left-wing". The party also has no problem with this description - it ran under the banner of "Israel's left" in the most recent elections. Number   5  7  07:30, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Fair enough reasoning; can't really disagree.--Autospark (talk) 18:22, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Isn't this mention of her tweet WP:NOTNEWS? Seems extremely trivial. The other items in this list are at least organizations, not particular people. But I could be wrong. --gejyspa (talk) 15:56, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

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Political position
reverted here my edit where I added several references and changed the political position from left-wing to far-left. He cited previous discussions, but I want to say that the last discussion ended nine years ago. All of my sources were published after the last discussion on this talk page had ended. w umbolo  ^^^  08:42, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
 * 2015 is nine years ago? I overslept more than I thought. Number   5  7  08:46, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
 * that discussion focused on whether Meretz is left-wing at all. Far-left politics is a subset of left-wing politics so we're still saying that Meretz is left-wing. That discussion concluded that Meretz is in fact left-wing but didn't gain consensus that it isn't far-left. w umbolo   ^^^  08:57, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Well let's get Autospark and Precision123 back here to continue the discussion. The fact that sources can be found referring to the party as centre-left and far-left suggest that it might be somewhere in between. I would put Hadash down as the far-left of Israeli politics, whilst I would say Meretz are roughly equivalent to the Green Party. Number   5  7  09:04, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
 * can you give me a source which says that Meretz is center-left? w umbolo   ^^^  10:16, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Sure: "The opposition consisted of Labor and Meretz, centre-left parties, that had together only 25 seats". Here's an example of them being referred to as both "centre-left" and "far-left" by different contributors to the same journal. Number   5  7  10:32, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Although the book was published in 2003, so prone to WP:RS AGE. w umbolo   ^^^  10:41, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Fair point. But as I said, "left-wing" is probably the most accurate description of the party, and all these sources are from the Israeli media within the last year (most of them to do with the very recent leadership election):
 * Massive Shake-up as Heads of Israel's Left-wing Meretz Party Quit Leadership Race Haaretz
 * MK Tamar Zandberg elected head of left-wing Meretz Party Israel HaYom
 * Left-wing Knesset faction seeks to force government to implement deal with UN cancelled by PM Netanyahu through Knesset bill Israel National News
 * Meretz leader resigning, says left-wing party must change to stay afloat Jewish Telegraph Agency
 * Tamar Zandberg’s surprise decision to join the left-wing party’s leadership race created a huge swing in her direction Ynetnews
 * The new head of the left-wing Meretz party, Tamar Zandberg... Times of Israel
 * MK Tamar Zandberg is the new leader of Meretz after she won the first ever leadership primary held in the left-wing party on Thursday Jerusalem Post
 * Number  5  7  10:47, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I am still not convinced that we should refer to the party as left-wing when we have sources which say that it is far-left (and left-wing). w umbolo   ^^^  11:34, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
 * do you have any objection to me changing it back from left-wing to far-left? w umbolo   ^^^  12:50, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Meretz is a party which is referenced as being primarily social-democratic, and is a member of transnational social-democratic organisations (PES, Progressive Alliance, Socialist International). Describing it as a "far left" party is factually inaccurate.--Autospark (talk) 13:03, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Meretz is a party which is referenced as being primarily social-democratic Meretz is also a party which is referenced as being primarily far-left.
 * and is a member of transnational social-democratic organisations (PES, Progressive Alliance, Socialist International) coalitions are formed with negotiation. If Meretz is far-left, it can still enter social-democratic organizations by compromising a bit to the right.
 * Describing it as a "far left" party is factually inaccurate. If you can't give me any source that explicitly denies that the party is far-left, it is WP:DUE coverage to say that it is far-left. Per WP:YESPOV policy, Uncontested and uncontroversial factual assertions made by reliable sources should normally be directly stated in Wikipedia's voice. Saying Meretz is left-wing doesn't contest the fact that it is far-left.
 * By your logic, "Nazis were a party which is referenced as being primarily national-socialist. Describing it as a 'far right' party is factually inaccurate." Yet there are many references in that case and here that we are talking about far-right and far-left parties, respectively. w umbolo   ^^^  13:42, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I do have a problem with it being listed as far-left. I don't see how the sources I've presented above which describe it as simply "left-wing" can be ignored. Meretz is the type of party that would largely be referred to as far-left pejoratively by people on the right of politics seeking to delegitimise them (as the English Green Party is occasionally). Number   5  7  14:16, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * breaking it down for you. It is an uncontested fact that Meretz is left-wing, and it is an uncontested fact that Meretz is far-left. Per WP:YESPOV, Avoid stating facts as opinions. Uncontested and uncontroversial factual assertions made by reliable sources should normally be directly stated in Wikipedia's voice. Now that we know that Meretz is both far-left and left-wing, we should describe it as far-left, as it is more specific. Here's why: if we describe it as left-wing, people won't know that it is far-left; however, if we describe it as far-left, people will know it is left-wing. That is because far-left is a subset of left-wing, as evidenced by being a subcategory of . Your last sentence is irrelevant and non-neutral, and I'm not going to respond to it.  w umbolo   ^^^  14:40, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't think you understand that "far-left" is not usually a sub-set of "left-wing" in describing political parties. It's part of the spectrum that typically goes: far-right, right-wing, centre-right, centrist, centre-left, left-wing, far-left (for example in the UK, this would be BNP, UKIP, Conservatives, Liberal Democrats, Labour, Green Party, Communist Party); "right-wing" and "left-wing" are positions on the spectrum between the centrist and extreme versions of their respective wings. If you look at UKIP and Green Party, you'll note that the parties' positions are simply "right-wing" and "left-wing". Number   5  7  14:45, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * thank you, but we could've concluded this earlier. Far-left is absolutely not a defining political position for Meretz. Some RS have described it that and that can go elsewhere in the article. w umbolo   ^^^  15:20, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Described as far-left
reverted here my edit where I added that Meretz is internationally described as far-left. Wikipedia is not a place to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS; and per WP:DUE, If you can prove a theory that few or none currently believe, Wikipedia is not the place to present such a proof. so don't waste your time on doing that. Cheers, w umbolo   ^^^  17:04, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Far-left revisited
I still disagree with that "far-left" is simply further left than "left-wing". There's a reason that is a subcategory of. w umbolo  ^^^  15:44, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * If you don't understand a concept as basic as this difference, then I would suggest it may be best not to edit politics-related articles. Number   5  7  21:05, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

 * reverted here my change that Meretz is far-left, saying that there is no consensus on the talk page for the change. Do you think consensus is formed with the personal attack above, and the personal attack in the revert edit summary? I was following WP:BRD, which is an explanatory supplement to policy. w umbolo   ^^^  08:21, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
 * You weren't following BRD, because we've already been through that cycle, resulting in the discussion above in which there was no consensus for your proposed change. This is why you were called out in the edit summary. Number   5  7  10:47, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

 * "The source given is created by right-wing extremists" actually the "far-left" claim is supported by about a dozen sources, both left- and right-wing, and including the New York Times! w umbolo   ^^^  18:01, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
 * If that is so, why are nobody adding them to the infobox? If various sources from different pages can confirm it then they should be in the infobox rather than just two sources from a single news-outlet ran by settlers. Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 18:03, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I added them here and they were removed by Number 57 here. w umbolo   ^^^  19:19, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, because as anyone can see by scrolling up this page, we've had several discussion on whether the party should be described as far-left in the introduction or infobobx, and the consensus so far is that it shouldn't be. Of course, consensus can change, but until we have a clear consensus, then the status quo remains in place. Number   5  7  19:32, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Post-Zionism????
This is not what the source says. The question of whether a party that includes non-Jews can be called Zionism is part of an internal debate in the party, but no one claims that Meretz is a post-Zionist or anti-Zionist party--E.F Edits (talk) 13:21, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Edit
I was too quick when reading a tweet which said Meretz was not allowed to use mem-resh-tsade as they used the Labour symbol in 2020. They use it for local elections, thus it is allowed. Sorry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:1C03:D15:C000:914:F7AB:3EAA:3A91 (talk) 19:36, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Social Democratic?
The party is Democratic socialist. or at least that's what they state. יונתן שושן (talk)
 * Third party descriptions are more reliable than self-descriptions. Cheers, Number   5  7  10:48, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Ideology in Infobox
If anyone does not object, I will reduce the eight Ideologies listed in the Infobox to just three. The eight currently listed is overkill, and contains vague philosophies and policy platform goals, or simply redundant ("secularism" is clearly redundant when describing a social-democratic party). The three "social democracy", "green politics" and "Labor Zionism". Anything else can be described in the Ideology section.--Autospark (talk) 15:27, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Sounds reasonable to me. Number   5  7  16:08, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I support this move, although I would prefer if "progressivism" stays in the infobox since they are noted for their egalitarian and socially progressive views. --Vacant0 (talk) 18:45, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I have to admit, I would find it a bit redundant to list "progressivism", given that that's generally a generic term for centre-left politics, and we already would have social democracy and green politics as broad ideological terms. I'm not completely objecting, just bringing up that issue. Perhaps list "social democracy", "green politics" and "Labor Zionism", and describe in the article lede that the party is known for its strong socially progressive views – what do you think, Vacant0?--Autospark (talk) 22:09, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Sure, that can do too. --Vacant0 (talk) 22:11, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
 * At this moment, the infobox seems to be bloated with "ideologies", should I clean it up to only include ideologies that we agreed on in this discussion above? --Vacant0 (talk) 12:36, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Go for it! Cheers, Number   5  7  23:44, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Done. Vacant0 (talk) 12:08, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I notice that the two-state solution appears in the ideology inbox of the following parties: Labour, Yesh Atid, Hadash, Mada, Ta'al, Joint List, Ra'am.
 * 5.102.204.143 (talk) 20:43, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
 * thanks for reducing it down to that core three. TBH, the articles for most Israeli parties list too many ideologies in their Infoboxes (we don't need six to eight listed per article, as seems to be the usual).--Autospark (talk) 14:46, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * It would be even better if we could reach consensus for other parties. Vacant0 (talk) 15:30, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Position-far left
Why isn't this party to be considered as a party, representing a fringe group on the political sphere, whose positions and policies have shifted to extremism 2A0D:6FC7:212:7F94:76B5:531:1E0E:C90D (talk) 22:18, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

 * they might be the furthest party on the left but this doesnt make them far-left Braganza (talk) 06:42, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Hadash is arguably far-left - Meretz certainly isn't. Wellington Bay (talk) 00:54, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Rebranded logo
In July 2022 the Meretz logo was rebranded by Re-Lavant studio and they made a switch with the party colors: They explained it with: In order to graphically express the great change that took place when Meretz entered the government, and the change we want to take place in the way Meretz voters perceive the party as a result, we will perform a "reversal" in the party's colors. From the lead of the green color, which is traditionally associated with Meretz, to the entry of green into surfaces of "state blue" (Meretz itself is the bright and strong green that entered the system) I updated the article with the new logo, but I think, according to this, that we should also update the main meta color of the party accordingly Sokuya (talk) 11:09, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
 * 1)  r22 g32 b102, Pantone 2746c
 * 2)  white
 * 3)  r35 g225 b100, Pantone 7479c
 * Just saw the party color was updated by PLATEL, thanks. Sokuya (talk) 23:00, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh no, I just figure out the change in the moudle also changed and override all the past use of the party logo. So now Meretz color in article of Israeli general election (infoboxes) is not matching the color of Knesset results diagram images. Sokuya (talk) 22:09, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

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Maury Van Vliet

Maurice Lewis (Maury) Van Vliet, (August 3, 1913 – April 4, 2001) was a USA-born Canadian academic who taught physical education and fitness.

Born in Bellingham, Washington, the son of Frank D. and Nellie (Booker) Van Vliet, he was raised in Monrovia, California. He played baseball and football at the University of Oregon where he received a B.Sc. in 1935. He received a Master of Science from the University of Oregon in 1940 and a Doctor of Education from the University of California, Los Angeles in 1951.

He declined an offer from the New York Yankees in order to accept the newly created position of physical education director at the University of British Columbia and started in 1935. He was a coach of the Varsity basketball, football, track, boxing, and wrestling teams.

In 1945, he moved to Edmonton, Alberta to become a professor. He was Head (1945 to 1954), Director (1954 to 1964), and Dean (1964 to 1975) of the Faculty of Physical Education and Recreation at the University of Alberta. He was the president and CEO of the organizing committee of the 1978 Commonwealth Games.

Honours

 * In 1978, he was made an Officer of the Order of Canada.
 * In 1993, he was inducted into the University of British Columbia's Sports Hall of Fame.
 * In 1997, he was inducted into Canada's Sports Hall of Fame.
 * He received honorary degrees from the University of Western Ontario (1973), University of Windsor (1978), University of Alberta (1979), Dalhousie University (1979), Queen's University (1980), and University of Victoria (1982).

title: Maury Van Vliet


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Talk:List of comics publishing companies

Cleaning up the list
I recommend that we break each section into two subsections (major publishers and minor publishers), for the sake of ease in dealing with the list. The problem is, how would we classify major vs. minor? I would recommend a criteria of more two imprints, but under this idea, Comico was a minor publisher, and Studio Ironcat a major one. So we'll have to think on this one. Any ideas?--Mitsukai 19:43, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * An example of what I'm talking about, based on a major/minor criteria of at least two imprints, can be found here.--Mitsukai 20:00, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I dunno, mate. The distiction between major and minor publishers seems dangerously subjective to me. For example, if we're going by manga sales, Tokyopop is the major publisher while DC is a minor one. If we go by original comics, the ranking is reversed. Furthermore, it gets confusing when one tries to account for the Image evolution and reorganization. I say we leave it alone. --Strannik 22:01, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I came here looking for any mention of the need for a legend for the Active list, presume the first date is when the publisher began operations and the second is when operations ceased, and Red BG is for defunct and green is for active, and the green check mark is redundant to the green BG and the red X mark is redundant to the red BG. Not having had anything to do with this, I am just guessing.
 * However, I would suggest that a way to classify major and minor publishers in a way that would not be OR or subjective would be to pick a date and use the sales numbers that Diamond uses for comics they distribute. Then the list could be sorted by the number if units distributed, without making a call as to what is "major" or "minor".
 * Additionally, the list needs to have Country broken out. Could be on the same page, or different pages, but having the publishers from the whole world thrown together makes things confusing, especially for publishers who are not available outside their regional markets.
 * Finally, regarding the Column for "Titles" section, I would suggest that the top two issues from the Diamond list noted above would be reasonable for most publishers. Possibly use the issues from their Annual list instead of Monthly, due to some aberrations like #1 issues throwing off the month. --Kid Bugs (talk • contribs) 21:42, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Picking a Diamond date, while allowing a subjective analysis in some form, would cause qualifications for publishers that have been major but ceased to exist before that date (EC, Valiant), those which do most of their business outside of the US direct market (whether that be foreign publishers or US publishers like Scholastic and Archie), and for the longer term maintenance of the list, any publishers that may became major after that date. Frankly, I don't see that the distinction is needed; the list should already sort out ultra-minor publishers by having blue-linked publishers only.
 * As for relying just on the color to highlight certain items, that would be an accessibility issue, as some reader are color blind, and others may be working with a monochrome web device. --Nat Gertler (talk) 22:50, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

 * could someone add Place of orgin? USA or Japan or Euro etc. --[Me] 25 June 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.202.43.53 (talk) 03:10, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, I don't see why not. --Strannik (talk) 07:47, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Is 4Winds, publisher of Scout, still in business?

Added Custom Comics of America, who made the RaceWarrior series. Anyone but me have them?--Alexrules43 20:08, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

omission
FYI, Event Comics is missing from the list. (Not an active publisher AFAIK)

What is a comics publishing company?
We include companies like Dell and Fawcett, which had comics branches of larger publishing firms. Should we include, say, Pantheon or Scholastic Books, book publishers with substantial squarebound comics lines? Certainly, Scholastic with Bone, Amulet, Adventures of Super Diaper Baby, and so forth gets a lot more pages of comics into people's hands than a lot of the smaller publishers listed here. --Nat Gertler (talk) 06:53, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it might be reasonable to include them if the company has an arm devoted to comics, as Pantheon does. For companies that just happen to have published comics, I don't think you could ever hunt them all down, and I don't think it would be useful to readers to have the list populated with nearly every known publishing company on Earth, most of which only published one or a handful of comics.   C üRly T üRkey  Talk Contribs 22:28, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Claypool is not defunct
Claypool continues to publish new comics material - just as an online publisher rather than a print publisher. The put up some new material today, in fact. --Nat Gertler (talk) 18:46, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Combine lists?
Now that the lists are tablified, why not combine them? We could see which companies were defunct by the "defunct" column, and by sorting by column you could get all the defunct companies together automatically. It would require less maintenance, and be more helpful to readers, I think.  C üRly T üRkey  Talk Contribs 22:24, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I support that. I've done something like that at List of animation studios--Cattus talk 22:49, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Are you volunteering to do it, or should I go ahead? It's a bit of a job, and I'd hate to do it just to find out it's already been done.  C üRly T üRkey  Talk Contribs 03:51, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
 * You can do it :)--Cattus talk 12:23, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Okey dokey. I'll probably do it tomorrow.   C üRly T üRkey  Talk Contribs 13:00, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done.  C üRly T üRkey  Talk Contribs 02:26, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Delete companies that have no info?
There are an awful lot of companies listed here that are nothing more than an external link---not even a founding date or any other data on them. Would it be so terrible just to delete them?

There is also an awful lot of redlinks. Should we be preserving them?  C üRly T üRkey  Talk Contribs 02:26, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Good work on the list. As for your question, I guess we should keep the red links as long as they have reliable sources. Red links without reliable sources should be deleted.--Cattus talk 18:32, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

 * Part of the problem is that we've not defined "comics publisher" for the purposes of this list. Is someone who does online comics a comics publisher? Someone who does minicomics? It's hard to judge what to include without that. (For problematic cases, the best thing to do is to flag them as Citation Needed, then if no data is added for a few months, delete.) --Nat Gertler (talk) 19:05, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, someone who self-publishes a minicomic is certainly a publisher, but not a publishing company, and this is a "List of comics publishing companies". Further, something like Chester Brown's "Tortured Canoe" was never used for publishing anything but the Yummy Fur mini, so it will never be notable apart from YF.
 * I agree we should decide on what a "comics publisher" is. A few sections above, I suggested that we shouldn't include companies that only incidentally have published comics.  I think that leaves the door open to a company like Pantheon, which does not focus on comics, but does have  "Pantheon graphic novels" section (although not an imprint.  I think they're stamped "Pantheon" like their other books).  C üRly T üRkey  Talk Contribs 21:57, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * So is notability to be a drawing line? (That's not inherent; notability is a standard for having articles, not for being included in an article.) You say that the person self-publishing isn't a company, presumably relying on the "group of people" definition rather than "a business" definition, but there have been lots of comics-publishing businesses of reasonable place in the field that were just one person. Heck, to avoid unflagged WP:COI concerns, I'll cite myself as an example -- I am the only person here at About Comics, we've (that's the royal, corporate "we") been publishing for more than a decade and even though we've worked with over 100 freelancers, none of them have been an employee of About Comics. It's hard to see that my being just one person makes About Comics less significant than some two-person company that turned out two issues each of two titles; dividing the list on that basis seems arbitrary. --Nat Gertler (talk) 22:30, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Companies can be sole proprietorships (they're not defined as "a group of people"). Aardvark-Vanaheim is now (Gerhard sold his stake in the business to Sim).  AV definitely belongs on the list.  Tortured Canoe does not, and Brown's best-selling stature isn't going to change that.
 * I wasn't thinking notability per se, but notability apart from a single publication. If we included every label every minicomic has ever been published under, well, we'd end up with a list of one-shot minicomics publishers, with the odd incorporated publisher here and there (hey, we'd get to include my own Acid Toy Productions, the label I published a bunch of minicomics under when I was 19! Yay!)
 * I think we should look at this as: "What would be most useful to readers of this list"? I think, if the publisher doesn't already have a page (which would automatically warrant inclusion), then we should at least be providing a reference to show that the publisher is not 100% tied to one title.  C üRly T üRkey  Talk Contribs 23:58, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I see it simply - no article, no links to legitimate articles, remove them. If they only have a link to their website, but no article? Delete them. This is what I did on my own this afternoon as I was unaware of this discussion. However, I'm about to WP:BEBOLD and re-remove the ones I removed this afternoon, as they have no place in the article. MikeWazowski (talk) 00:44, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, the problem is: is this a list of articles about publishers, or a list of publishers? If any of those publishers can be slapped with a reliable reference, I think they deserve to stay.  If there's not enough info to warrant an article, then the link should be removed so we don't have a pile of redlinks.
 * Check out Manual of Style/Lists before removing things.
 * Part of being BOLD is discussing things and coming to a consensus. You've deleted, been reverted, and now we're discussing things.  We haven't come to a consensus, so you'll just get reverted.
 * I suggest slapping a cn on every one of the items listed (even the links). Even lists need citations.  Any of them that doesn't get a citation after a reasonable amount of time should be removed.  C üRly T üRkey  Talk Contribs 00:54, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not a list of articles. It's a list of publishers. Stop removing them. Curly's suggestion to slap on those without links is appropriate. Note the need for support and then leave it alone for QUITE a while. After all this time, the list deserves some patience.  Doczilla  STOMP! 04:17, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I noticed some of the sources aren't independent ones. I hope we'll be able to replace those with independent sources as we go. I'm thinking for now those should get tagged so we remember to fix those and don't think the clean up is done. Cloveapple (talk) 05:22, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Dates in sortable table
I've been reference hunting and I have more precise dates for when some of the companies launched, folded, or were bought. In a number of cases I have a month and year and in a few I have an exact date. Is there a way to add this to the table without messing up the sorting feature for the dates? Cloveapple (talk) 19:01, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

 * There are a number of ways to deal with it:
 * My preferred way, and by far the easiest and most logical, is to list the dates YYYY-MM-DD. Many cultures do this already, and it's widespread in computing as it makes sorting easy.  Unfortunately, most English speakers are allergic to this style, and chances are extremely high that another editor will come along and "fix" it for you.
 * As per Help:Sorting, you can enter it either YYYYMMM DD, DD MMMYYYY, YYYYDD MMM or MMM DDYYYY, and Mediawiki's date formatting feature will display the date base on user preferences (so that, say, British and Americans will see the date displayed differently). This feature automatically sorts by year.  If all you have is a year, don't link it, though.  Only link if you have the full date.
 * You could also just use the year, and put the full date information in the article itself.

Thanks for helping, by the way.  C üRly T üRkey  Talk Contribs 22:01, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the explanation. That page makes my head spin, but I think I get the basics. If I understand correctly, if I started adding months and days then I would have to add in hidden zero values for all the dates that are just plain years? I'd be ok with doing that but it would make the table even harder for other editors to add to, so I think I better not. Option number three is looking more attractive by the minute! :-) Cloveapple (talk) 20:17, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * No, that's not true. For the dates that are just plain years, you just put in the plain year (not linked) and it's supposed to sort itself by magic.  I do think the page on sorting could be written more clearly.  Although option 3 certainly is the most straightforward.  C üRly T üRkey  Talk Contribs 21:10, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I've just decided to leave it be. If you decide to tackle it, I'll follow your lead but I'm just dense when it comes to this stuff. Cloveapple (talk) 22:06, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Required change
The logos column on this list needs to be removed. It violates WP:NFLISTS. Further, this article now uses 88 non-free images. This is more non-free images than any other article on Wikipedia, in fact more than TWICE the number of the 2nd highest user. This is unacceptable under WP:NFCC #3. Further, every single non-free image has no rationale for use on this article, which is a violation of WP:NFCC #10c. Would someone please remove this column? Thank you, --Hammersoft (talk) 03:55, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, it appears far too many of the logos have been tagged as being under copyright when they actually don't qualify. I've removed the clear violations, and retagged the rest with PD-textlogo.  You might want to check these things out before "requiring" an entire column be removed.  C üRly T üRkey  Talk Contribs 13:31, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I have removed the remaining logos still tagged as under copyright per WP:NFLISTS. Even the free logos should be removed, as they violate the Logo Manual of Style. Alpha_Quadrant   (talk)  01:33, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, the logos weren't being used as icons as such, but it's pretty obvious the column's going to be pretty empty, so I've removed it.  C üRly T üRkey  Talk Contribs 00:31, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

About Comics
I won't edit it in myself out of WP:COI concerns, but yes, About Comics is still (mildly) active - you can see a listing for a book we published late last year here. And we are US-based. --Nat Gertler (talk) 05:30, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the information and thanks for the sensitivity about COI. Cloveapple (talk) 05:35, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Independent sourcing
I posted this next note as part of the conversation above, but I think it got lost in the larger conversation so I'm reposting it.

I noticed some of the sources aren't independent ones. I hope we'll be abyle to replace those with independent sources as we go. I'm thinking for now those should get tagged so we remember to fix those and don't think the clean up is done. Cloveapple (talk) 03:26, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

If the sources aren't independent, then they don't need to wait for a replacement. Such "sources" should be obliterated with extreme prejudice.  C üRly T üRkey  Talk Contribs 04:23, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

 * No, there's no reason to obliterate WP:SELFSOURCEs for the relatively non-promotional statement that they exist. This isn't to say that we shouldn't replace them with an independent source when possible, but we should not delete the existing source until we do so. --Nat Gertler (talk) 05:27, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Citations per column or per publisher?
I'm about to go through and add a bunch of citations for publishers that I can match up to the GCD (and add a few missing U.S. golden age publishers, with citations). I notice some rows have multiple citations for the country, start date, end date, etc. Is this always required, or can I put a single citation for the whole row in the notes column or on the publisher name? Ixat totep (talk) 18:59, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

 * If you look closely, some of the entries have different sources for, say, the founding date and the date they went defunct. Personally, I throw the citation on each column to make the source for each piece of data totally unambiguous, but I don't think there's an actual rule that it has to be done so.  C üRly T üRkey  Talk Contribs 01:17, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Column for "Titles"
In my opinion, it makes sense to list the best-known titles for every publisher, say, two, or three at most. This would be a benefit for someone recognizing a publisher by title only, or searching for a title specifically. There are some instances where titles are already listed in the "notes-section", like Matrix, or 12 bis. Looking at entries like Rolf Kauka or Dark Horse, i don′t think titles added to the notes section are all too useful (Arrow Comics, Adventure). Would a new column "Title(s)" make sense? Do best-known published titles at all? Regards, Gott 17:57, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I think that would fall under Original Research. Also, the titles that companies are best known for change over time—for instance, DC's cowboy comics were amongst their best-selling titles in the 1950s, not Superman or Batman.  I don't think titles should be added to the notes section, either—that section should be for info such as mergers, company name changes, etc.  For Aardvark-Vanaheim, for instance, the note is "Most titles moved to Renegade Press in 1985". Curly Turkey (gobble) 21:45, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I think that most things that were a likely to list that anyone would be looking for would have their publisher more efficiently identified through other means. That isn't to say that some reasonable descriptor of the publisher might not be in order, but a few titles may not serve that, particularly as folks who do not know the publisher already are likely to not recognize the title. It's clearer to note that a publisher specializes in Japanese comics translated into English than that they put out Neon Genesis Evangeline and Ranma 1/2. --Nat Gertler (talk) 23:50, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm in agreement with Curly Turkey and Nat Gertler on this, for the reasons mentioned above. -- stoshmaster (talk) 15:37, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I don′t think that′d fall under OR in every case, but the concensus is clearly "no titles". Thanks for your opinions, regards, Gott (talk) 16:05, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Ardden Entertainment
Ardden Entertainment has changed names to Scout Comics and Entertainment. Here's the new website link: http://www.scoutcomics.com/index.html#about Hope this helps! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.196.200.120 (talk) 22:26, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

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Victims of the acute paper rationing of 1945-1949 which bankrupt many U.S. Publishing Companies during WWII, O.W. Comics, Inc., was a short-lived house consisting of two comic veterans, William "Bill" Woolfolk, who had worked for MLJ and Facett, and John Gerard "Jack" Oxton, Sr., a film editor with Paramount in NYC. Anything after 1945 is not "during World War II", someone should fix that history. (Also, a single "house" should not be a plural "victims", "Publishing Companies" should not be capitalized.) -- Nat Gertler (talk) 16:38, 18 October 2023 (UTC)


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Lorenzo Zepeda

Lorenzo Zepeda (24 October 1813 – 20 December 1858) was president of El Salvador from 1 to 8 February 1858. Going down in history as one of the President of the Republic of El Salvador for an extremely short period, since due to the absence of the then president, Miguel Santín del Castillo and the current vice president, Eufrasio Guzmán, he had to assume command from 1 to 8 February 1858.

Biography
Lorenzo Zepeda was born in Sonsonate on 24 October 1813.

In 1848, Lorenzo was elected alternate Deputy for the District of Metapán and with Mariano Hernández being the owner.

In December 1857 he was elected senator to manage Santa Ana. His executive command was transitional and he received a post from Don Rafael Campo, where he was sent to serve as absent in the capital under the president.

On 7 February 1858, he handed over the government to the elected president, General Miguel Santín del Castillo. When Santín decided to retire to his estates in June, the vice president was called to take over the executive branch. But when the vice president excused himself from office, after that Zepeda was invited, who also excused himself for his progressive disease.

He died in Metapán on 20 December 1858 due to his lung illness.

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Miguel Santín del Castillo

Miguel Santín del Castillo (1830–1880) was President of El Salvador from 7 February 1858 to 7 June 1858, and again from 18 September 1858 to 19 January 1859. An army officer himself, he founded the Military Academy of San Salvador. At age 28, he was the youngest ever president of El Salvador.

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In God's Country

"In God's Country" is a song by the rock band U2. It is the seventh track from their fifth studio album The Joshua Tree and was released as the album's fourth single in November 1987 in North America only.

Recording and composition
"In God's Country" was a difficult song for the band to record, which they attributed to not being trained musicians, and they do not speak very highly of it. During The Joshua Tree sessions, they knew it was not going be one of their best songs but they needed more uptempo songs. It was developed out of Bono's frustration at trying to get "a bit of rock 'n' roll out of [U2 guitarist] the Edge". Bono tried to inspire the Edge by teasing and playing on his competitive instincts by claiming to be a better guitarist. Of the song, Bono said "[My] lyric was really good, the tune is pretty good, and the hook is pretty average - thanks to the Edge."

"In God's Country" was recorded in the basement of the Edge's house, which producer Daniel Lanois called a "muggy little room where everything sounds dead" and "not a particularly inspiring place". Despite the location, he said the recording worked because of the "spontaneity and lack of pressure", which contributed to a good take, a quality Lanois favours to overplanning the recording setup. In producing the song, he used a collection of channels in the mixing console designated as sound treatments to adjust the tone of the Edge's guitar to give it a "beautiful shimmer", which he thought contributed to the song's mood. Lanois said, "What was a fairly straightforward rock track is now undermined by a mood of unrest", which inspired lead vocalist Bono to change his lyrics to give them more dimension.

Bono has stated that he originally didn't know whether the song was about Ireland or the United States, but eventually dedicated it to the Statue of Liberty. The song characterises the United States as a "desert rose" and a siren whose dress is torn in "ribbons and bows," a depiction both "sad and seductive". The lyric speaks of a lack of political ideas in the West which Bono later contrasted to the revolution in Nicaragua where he had travelled during the recording of The Joshua Tree. Along with "Where the Streets Have No Name," the lyrics and sound of "In God's Country" reference the desert in accordance with the band's wish for The Joshua Tree to have a "cinematic" sense of location.

Played in the key of D, the verses of the studio version alternates between D and A minor chords. The first chorus repeats an Em–G–D chord progression while the second chorus repeats a C–G–D progression.

Release and critical reception
"In God's Country" was released as a single in Canada and the United States in November 1987. The cover art (photographed by Anton Corbijn), sleeve (designed by Steve Averill), and B-sides ("Bullet the Blue Sky" and "Running to Stand Still") were identical to those used for U2's 1988 single "One Tree Hill," released only in New Zealand and Australia. The Canadian release was available on 7", 12" and cassette, while the US release was limited to 7" only.

"In God's Country" reached number 44 on the Billboard Hot 100 and number 48 in the United Kingdom as an import. It was slightly more successful in Canada, peaking at number 25 in 1988. Sales of the single may have been hampered by the fact that its B-sides were two tracks from The Joshua Tree album instead of the usual non-album tracks. An abridged live version of the song recorded on the Joshua Tree Tour appeared on the band's 1988 rockumentary, Rattle and Hum, but did not appear on the accompanying album of the same name.

The single's video appears on Outside It's America, a documentary tracking the band's first few weeks on tour through the American Southwest in 1987. The music video visualized the Irish immigrant experience and the complexities of the American Dream. It was ultimately not released to MTV or other outlets. The video was finally released on the band's YouTube channel on 19 February 2021.

Hot Press editor and long-time U2 supporter, Bill Graham, described the song as "... U2 cruising, a starter and not a main course ..." and referring to the lyrical cliches, he said the song was "... saved by the fact that [Bono] does Bono better than anybody else." Cash Box called it a "haunting rocker [that] is led by Bono's passionate, stirring: vocal ability."

Personnel

 * Bono – vocals, acoustic guitar
 * The Edge – guitar, backing vocals
 * Adam Clayton – bass
 * Larry Mullen Jr. – drums, percussion

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José María Peralta

José María Peralta (December 1807 – December 6, 1883) was born in San Salvador. He was President of El Salvador from 15 February to 12 March 1859.

He died in San Salvador. His descendants include son José María Peralta Lagos (1873–1944), writer, military engineer and politician, grandson José María Peralta Salazar (1908–1964), president of the Salvadoran Senate and diplomat, great-grandson José María Peralta Salazar II (1947–1999), Salvadoran lawyer and law professor at the National University of El Salvador, and great-granddaughter Ana Carolina Peralta Bierman, American lawyer and academic (1974).

title: José María Peralta