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Repackage
Make a 40 pack and reduce package cost. Sell for $10 2600:1004:B261:E446:F5D4:47E9:62D6:5F7A (talk) 01:06, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Edit request
Can someone please remove the entire IQOS paragraph from the text? This product is owned by Philip Morris International (where is does account for about 30% of revenues), not PM USA (IQOS is not even sold in the US, and the two companies are entirely separate). The reference used is a bit misleading at it does mention "Philip Morris" but the interviewee is, in fact, Jacek Olczak - PMI's CEO. Thanks! Damien Shirley (talk) 09:25, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ after reading the Iqos article. GoingBatty (talk) 14:43, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Objectivity of the article
This article is saying nothing about the disastrous adverse health effects of their products, and looks like it was written by a Philip Morris USA PR representative. That NEEDS to change. 2601:84:8680:1F10:2C2E:D623:6905:CF18 (talk) 21:45, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

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Lord-in-waiting

Lords-in-waiting (male) or baronesses-in-waiting (female) are peers who hold office in the Royal Household of the sovereign of the United Kingdom. In the official Court Circular they are styled "Lord in Waiting" or "Baroness in Waiting" (without hyphenation).

There are two kinds of lord-in-waiting: political appointees by the government of the day who serve as junior government whips in the House of Lords (the senior whips have the positions of Captain of the Honourable Corps of Gentlemen-at-Arms and Captain of the Yeomen of the Guard); and non-political appointments by the monarch (who, if they have a seat in the House of Lords, sit as crossbenchers). Lords-in-waiting (whether political or non-political) may be called upon periodically to represent the sovereign; for example, one of their number is regularly called upon to greet visiting heads of state on arrival at an airport at the start of a state or official visit, and they may then play a role in accompanying them for the duration of their stay (for instance, on 3 June 2019 lord-in-waiting Viscount Brookeborough was in attendance at Stansted Airport to welcome U.S. president Donald Trump and First Lady Melania Trump on behalf of the Queen; he and Viscountess Brookeborough then remained "specially attached" to the Trumps for the duration of their visit). They are also occasionally in attendance on other state or royal occasions. "Extra" lords-in-waiting may also be appointed, supernumerary to the regular appointees, who fulfil a similar role; for example, the Baroness Rawlings, whose appointment as a government whip (and baroness-in-waiting) ceased in 2012, continued to serve as an extra baroness-in-waiting, and represented the Queen on certain occasions (for example on 27 February 2019 she was present at RAF Northolt to welcome the King and Queen of Jordan, while at the same time another baroness-in-waiting, Baroness Manzoor, was present at Heathrow Airport to welcome the President of Slovenia).

In addition, the honour of serving as a permanent lord-in-waiting is occasionally bestowed on very senior courtiers following their retirement. A permanent lord-in-waiting may also represent the sovereign, as often happens at funerals or memorial services for former courtiers.

Political appointments
Most baronesses and lords-in-waiting serve as government whips in the House of Lords. Being members of the government, they are appointed by the sovereign on the recommendation of the Prime Minister and invariably relinquish their position when there is a change of government.

Currently, there are eight lords and baronesses-in-waiting who serve as junior whips in the House of Lords:

Non-political appointments
Alongside the political appointees two non-political lords-in-waiting are always appointed, at the personal discretion of the sovereign (distinguished from their political counterparts by the designation 'Personal Lord in Waiting').

Those currently serving in this capacity are:

Additional appointments
Any additional appointees are termed extra lords or baronesses-in-waiting.

Those currently serving in this capacity are:

Permanent lords-in-waiting
Permanent lords-in-waiting are retired senior officials of the Royal Household. Those serving in this capacity include:

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Karekin II

Catholicos Garegin II (Գարեգին Բ, also spelled Karekin; born 21 August 1951) is the Catholicos of All Armenians, the supreme head of the Armenian Apostolic Church, since 1999. In 2013 he was unanimously elected the Oriental Orthodox head of the World Council of Churches for the next eight years.

Biography
Garegin II was born as Ktrij Nersessian in Voskehat, Armenia, on 21 August 1951. He entered the Gevorkian Theological Seminary at Echmiadzin in 1965 and graduated with honours in 1971. He was ordained to the diaconate in 1970. Later he became a monk and was ordained a priest in 1972. In the late 1970s the Catholicos of that period encouraged him to study outside of Armenia. This led to him continuing his studies in Vienna, Bonn University, and Zagorsk, Russia. On 23 October 1983, he was consecrated bishop at Echmiadzin. He became an archbishop in 1992.

Garegin II speaks fluent German from his time in Germany and Austria. In 1975 during his time in Cologne he was the spiritual representative of nine Armenian congregations in Germany.

In 1988 Garegin took an active role in helping his people overcome the Armenian earthquake. He oversaw the construction of a number of churches and schools in Armenia. He also showed an interest in using modern technology and telecommunications to help the life of his churches as well as dealing with the legacies of the Soviet era. On 27 October 1999 he was elected the 132nd Catholicos of All Armenians at the Mother See of Holy Etchmiadzin, succeeding Karekin I. His relations with Pope John Paul II were generally positive. When the Pope visited Armenia in 2001, he stayed with the Catholicos.

In October 2007, he began a second visit to the United States. On 10 October 2007, he offered the opening prayer for the day's session of the United States House of Representatives.

His ecumenical trip to India to meet Baselios Thoma Didymos I, Catholicos of the East in November 2008, helped strengthen relations between the Armenian and Indian Orthodox Churches.

The delegates to the 10th General Assembly of the World Council of Churches that took place in Busan, South Korea, on 4 November, unanimously elected Catholicos of All Armenians Garegin II, the supreme patriarch and head of the Armenian Apostolic Church, head of the organisation for the next eight years.

On 26 June 2016, Catholicos Garegin and Pope Francis signed a joint declaration on the family. It stated that the secularisation of society and its "alienation from the spiritual and divine" are damaging to the family, and affirmed that the Catholic and Armenian Apostolic churches share a marriage–based view of the family. The declaration also took note of various positive steps taken towards unity between the two leaders' churches, and "acknowledged the successful 'new phase' in relations" between them. It also lamented "immense tragedy" of the widespread persecution of Christians in the Middle East; the Pope and the Catholicos prayed "for a change of heart in all those who commit such crimes and those who are in a position to stop the violence".

Awards

 * Legion of Honour (France, 2001)
 * Order of Friendship (Russia, 2006)
 * Order of the Star of Romania
 * Order of Prince Yaroslav the Wise (Ukraine, 2001)
 * Order of St. Thomas (India, 2008)
 * Honorary member of the Armenian National Academy of Sciences

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William Antrobus Griesbach

Major General William Antrobus Griesbach, (January 3, 1878 – January 21, 1945) was a Canadian politician, decorated soldier, mayor of Edmonton, and member of the House of Commons and of the Senate.

Early life
Griesbach was born in Fort Qu'Appelle, North-West Territories, the son of Henry Arthur Griesbach, a North-West Mounted Police officer. Henry was on the NWMP's famous 1874 March West, finishing the march in Edmonton. In 1883, Henry was transferred to command Fort Saskatchewan; the family travelled on the Canadian Pacific Railway to Calgary and then by wagon train to Edmonton and Fort Saskatchewan, on occasion having to build or repair bridges in order to cross rivers.

William Griesbach left the rest of the family in 1891 in order to attend St. John's College in Winnipeg, from which he graduated in 1895. Upon graduating, he returned to Edmonton and worked in a law firm for two years and in the Imperial Bank of Canada for one year, before returning to Fort Saskatchewan to work in a milling business for six months. He returned to Edmonton to study law.

Boer War and legal career
Griesbach enlisted with the Canadian Mounted Rifles in 1899 to fight in the Second Boer War. He knew from being weighed in at boxing tournaments that he fell short of the minimum 140 lb weight to enlist, so on his way to being weighed he surreptitiously grabbed a large piece of coal from the enlistment centre's coal box and held it behind his back while he stood on the scales. During his service, he was awarded the Queen's South Africa Medal and received four bars.

Upon his return in 1901, he opened a law office of his own. An Edmonton Bulletin article in 1927 quoted him as saying of these early years

My rent was $12 a month. The first month I didn't make anything; the second I made exactly $12, and the third I went up to $17. Most of my callers in those days were people who wanted to sell me books.

Pre-war political career
Griesbach's first bid for political office took place in the 1903 Edmonton election, when he made an unsuccessful bid for election to Edmonton Town Council, placing fourth of nine candidates in an election in which the top three were elected. He was more successful in the 1904 election when he was elected to a one-year term as an alderman to Edmonton's first city council placing eighth of seventeen candidates (in that first election as a city, Edmonton elected four aldermen to two year terms and four to one year terms, with the idea that four of the city's eight aldermen would be elected to two year terms each year). He was re-elected to a two-year term in 1905, finishing first of ten candidates.

Previously that same year, he had run as a Conservative in the constituency of Edmonton in Alberta's first provincial election. He was defeated by Liberal Charles Cross, and continued his service on city council.

Griesbach resigned as alderman one year into his term in order to run for mayor in the 1906 election. He was victorious, collecting more than sixty percent of the vote in a three-person race and becoming, at twenty-eight years old, the youngest mayor in the city's history, before or since. He served a one-year term, but did not seek re-election and stayed out of municipal politics thereafter.

He ran as a Conservative in the 1911 federal election, finishing second of three candidates in the riding of Edmonton (the victorious candidate was Liberal Frank Oliver).

Griesbach's final involvement in provincial politics came during the 1913 election, when he ran as a Conservative in Edmonton. He finished fourth of five candidates, missing out on either of the city's two seats.

World War I
In 1906, Griesbach was commissioned as a lieutenant in the 19th Alberta Dragoons. He was promoted to captain in 1907

When World War I broke out, the Dragoons volunteered as a unit. In December of that year, Griesbach was promoted to major assigned to command the 49th Battalion. He was able to recruit 1000 men in eight days in January 1915. The unit served in various engagements, including the Battle of Vimy Ridge, the Battle of Arras, the Battle of Passchendaele, and the liberation of Mons. In 1917, Griesbach was promoted to Brigadier-General and assigned command of the 1st Canadian Infantry Brigade of the 1st Canadian Division.

He was awarded the Distinguished Service Order twice and the Victorian Decoration for long service. He was appointed Companion of the Order of the Bath and Companion of the Order of St. Michael and St. George. The citation for his DSO appeared in The London Gazette in June 1916 and reads as follows:

"For conspicuous gallantry and skill in the handling of his battalion during a heavy bombardment and subsequent attack by the enemy. On another occasion by his prompt action and fine example he was largely responsible for the rescue of several men who had been buried by shell fire."

He was later awarded a bar to his DSO, the citation stating the following:

"For brilliant leadership and great gallantry in the operations of 8th August, 1918, south-east of Amiens; 2nd and 3rd September, 1918, east of Arras; and 27th/28th September, 1918, west and north-west of Cambrai in the crossing of the Canal du Nord and attack on Bourlon Wood; and during operations 17th/21st October. He made several personal reconnaissances, and his presence amongst the attacking troops and his coolness under critical conditions were largely responsible for the success that attended the operations."

During World War II, he was made Inspector General of the Canadian Army for Western Canada and was promoted to the rank of major-general. He retired from that position in 1943.

Federal Parliament
William Griesbach was elected to the House of Commons as a Government member for the riding of Edmonton West in the 1917 election, defeating incumbent Laurier Liberal Frank Oliver. He served until September 15, 1921 (less than three months before the 1921 election), when he was appointed to the Senate, in which he served until his death.

Personal life, death, and legacy
Griesbach was an accomplished cyclist and played ice hockey and soccer for Edmonton teams. He was a member of the Masonic Order, the Oddfellows, the Edmonton Veteran Association, the Canadian Club, and the Northern Alberta Pioneer and Old Timers' Association.

In 1906, he married Janet Scott McDonald Lauder.

William Antrobus Griesbach died in Edmonton on January 21, 1945, of a sudden heart attack.

CFB Griesbach, the Griesbach Garrison (part of CFB Edmonton), Griesbach Masonic Lodge, and Edmonton's Griesbach neighbourhood are named in his honour. Mount Griesbach in the Victoria Cross Ranges of Jasper National Park is also named in his honour.

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Unna

Unna is a city of around 59,000 people in North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany, the seat of the Unna district.

The newly refurbished Unna station has trains to all major cities in North Rhine Westphalia including Dortmund, Cologne, Münster, Hamm, Düsseldorf and Wuppertal. There is also the Regional-Express 7 (Rhein-Münsterland-Express), which runs from Rheine via Cologne to Krefeld.

Geography
Unna is situated on an ancient salt-trading route, the Westphalian Hellweg. Trade on this route and during the period of the Hanseatic League came from as far as London. The city is located at the eastern extremity of the Ruhr district, about 15 km east of the centre of Dortmund. Unna also serves as a dormitory city, being home to many commuters who work in Dortmund and other nearby cities. Local dialects of German include Westfälisch and Ruhrpott. The recreational district of Sauerland is nearby. The River Ruhr runs just south of Unna through Fröndenberg, before heading through the main part of the Ruhr district.

Districts
Unna consists of the following districts:

 * Unna (city centre)
 * Königsborn
 * Massen
 * Afferde
 * Billmerich
 * Kessebüren
 * Mühlhausen and Uelzen
 * Lünern and Stockum
 * Hemmerde, Westhemmerde and Siddinghausen

Massen and Königsborn are former industrial and mining areas; the other districts have a more rural character.

History
The history of human settlement in what is now the city of Unna can be traced back to the Neolithic Era. In the Middle Ages, Unna gained significance as a way station on the Hellweg. It is first recorded by name in an ecclesiastical document of 1032. Around 1200, Count Friedrich von Altena-Isenberg was invested with the fiefdom of Unna, among other estates, by the archbishop-electorate of Cologne. Over the next few hundred years the town was repeatedly fought over, and burned down several times. In the 14th century the town became wealthy: a mint was established and regional trade blossomed. This is documented by the discovery of around 70 gold coins during excavation works in 1952. The coins originated from various countries and are thought to have been buried around 1375.

From the mid-15th century on, the city was a notable trade centre and member of the Hanseatic League. In 1597 more than half the population died of the Bubonic plague. In the early 17th century, the town changed hands several times in religious wars, and in 1666 fell under the control of Prussia. In the early 19th century, the primary character of the town started to change from agricultural to industrial, with improved communications by road, rail and waterways. Coal mining started in 1870, together with industries dependent on it. The population rose from around 2,500 at the start of the 19th century to 15,000 in 1900.

At the beginning of the 19th century, the city district Königsborn (then Bad Königsborn) gained prominence as a health resort with mineral springs. The cityscape of Königsborn still shows many historic buildings from that era, and the former spa gardens still serve as a recreation place for locals and tourists. In 2013, a geological survey showed that the mineral springs could still be used for health purposes.

During the Second World War, in 1943-45 there were major air attacks directed at the significant barracks and other military installations in the city. In the older part of the city, there are many half-timbered buildings built between the 16th and 19th centuries. Unna's economy was largely based on agriculture until the 19th century, when it became industrialised. After World War II, the artisan district which had survived bombing was largely torn down to make way for modern development; however many of the buildings have been restored.

Culture
Unna is seat of the world's only art museum dedicated exclusively to the collection and presentation of Light art, the Centre for International Light Art (CILA). It is located in the former Linden brewery, a red brick industrial building complex dating from the 19th century close to the heart of the city. Its landmark is an installation of Fibonacci numbers by Italian artist Mario Merz on the brewery's chimney (the thirteenth-century mathematician Leonardo Fibonacci lived in Pisa, twinned with Unna since 1996). The light art installations are integrated into the industrial structures of the brewery's former cellar vaults. The former brewery buildings are also home to the city library, the adult education centre (Volkshochschule), and the tourist information centre. Unna's Hellweg Museum, a regional history museum, is located in the medieval Unna castle. Many historic buildings as well as parts of the city wall, including towers near the artisan quarter, remain intact and in good condition. Unna holds the largest Italian festival north of Italy every two years (happily named Un(n)a Festa Italiana), when buildings are decorated with light installations by artists from Bari in Italy. An annual Christmas market and a city festival are located in the Old Market Square, stretching from there through the pedestrian area to the city hall. Unna is home to a large community of artists, some of whose works are on public display in the city. In the Old Market Square, e.g., there is a statue by painter and sculptor Josef Baron, depicting a man pulling a stubborn donkey, which is the city mascot. A common part of traditional German drinking culture, numerous breweries once formed part of the cityscape, of which the largest and most well known was the Lindenbrauerei (formerly Linden-Adler-Brauerei). It marketed its products under the name Lindenbier or Lindenpils. Most of the breweries have since closed down, but the Lindenbrauerei started a small-scale production again at the beginning of the 21st century. In common with other German towns, Unna also produces its own traditional herbal liquor, 'Herting Pörter', named after the city's Herting gate or 'port'. The liquor is produced near where the gate used to be, and is sold locally.

Economy
Until the mid-nineteenth century the focus of Unna's economy was on the region's agriculture. Industrialisation rapidly followed. In contrast with the switch to service sector employment in some industrial towns further west in the Ruhr area, most of the jobs in Unna are still in heavy industry (iron and metal work, machine manufacturing) or craft based. Since 1972, the nickel alloys producer VDM Metals operates a melting and casting plant in Unna, for example. Also known is Alexis Tsiami, who has developed new methods for opening car doors.

In recent years Unna has boomed as a logistics centre. It houses the former distribution centre for the (recently much diminished) Karstadt department store chain; the distribution centre has been acquired by the DHL division of Deutsche Post. There is also a DPD distribution centre along with a central distribution depot for the pump producer Wilo. Another large logistics complex belonging to DHL came into operation in 2008.

Twin towns – sister cities
Unna is twinned with:

 * Waalwijk, Netherlands (1968)
 * 🇩🇪 Enkirch, Germany (1969)
 * 🇫🇷 Palaiseau, France (1969)
 * 🇩🇪 Döbeln, Germany (1989)
 * 🇭🇺 Ajka, Hungary (1990)
 * 🇮🇹 Pisa, Italy (1996)

Notable people

 * Johannes von Soest (1448–1506), medieval musician, music theorist, poet, and composer
 * Philipp Nicolai (1556–1608), poet and composer, pastor in Unna in 1596–1601
 * Karl Andreas Duker (1670–1752), philologist, rhetorician, historian, professor and rector of University of Utrecht
 * Hermann Cremer (1834–1903), theologian
 * Hermann Osthoff (1847–1909), linguist, co-founder of the Junggrammatiker
 * Thea Rasche (1899–1971), artist
 * Paul Verhoeven (1901–1975), actor and director
 * Hermann Schomberg (1907–1975), actor
 * Inge Donnepp (1918–2002), lawyer and politician
 * Sibylle Knauss (born 1944), writer
 * Roland Pröll (born 1949), pianist
 * Peter F. Woeste (born 1950), cinematographer, director, professor at Capilano University
 * Rudi Rauer (1950–2014), handball player
 * Petra Reski (born 1958), journalist and writer
 * Peter Menne (born 1960), set designer, painter
 * Bernd Stelter (born 1961), singer and cabaret artist
 * Sönke Möhring (born 1972), actor
 * Giuseppe Reina (born 1972), footballer
 * Marco Jakobs (born 1974), bobsledder
 * Sabine Heinrich (born 1976), presenter
 * Christofer Heimeroth (born 1981), footballer
 * Christina Hammer (born 1990), boxer

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Yunna Morits

Yunna Petrovna Morits (Moritz) (Ю́нна Петро́вна Мо́риц; born June 2, 1937), is a Soviet and Russian poet, poetry translator and activist. She was a recipient of the Andrei Sakharov Prize For Writer's Civic Courage.

Biography
She was born in Kiev, USSR (present-day Kyiv, Ukraine) in a Jewish family. Her father Pinchas Moritz, was imprisoned under Stalin, she suffered from tuberculosis in her childhood, and spent years of hardship in the Urals during World War II. In the 1950s, she went to study in Moscow, where she was briefly expelled from college for her poems' critical stance and alienation from the Soviet system. Her poem was a tribute to Titsian Tabidze, a Georgian poet executed by Stalin in 1937. In 1961, she became widely known for her collection about the Far North, The Cape of Desire, based on her journey aboard an Arctic icebreaker, and she was among the few young poets favored by Anna Akhmatova.

Since the 1960s, she also became known for her poetic translations into Russian from many languages (these translations, commissioned by Soviet publishing houses, often employed an intermediary literal translator and a poet). She rendered into Russian verse such poets as Moisei Toif, Constantine Cavafy and Federico García Lorca.

In later years, she attracted many young readers with her children poetry, some of which, like her adult work, became known to mass audience through songs created by guitar singer-songwriters, especially by Sergey Nikitin. Her other published work includes short stories, op-eds and, most recently, graphics.

She has been founding member of several liberal organizations of artistic intelligentia, including the Russian section of International PEN. She is a member of Russian PEN Executive Committee and its Human Rights Commission. She has been awarded several prestigious prizes, including Andrei Sakharov Prize For Writer's Civic Courage.

Politics
After 2014 Morits became a supporter of the Russian occupation of Donbass and Crimea. Some of her recent poetry conveys anti-Ukrainian and anti-Western sentiments, and her invective at perceived anti-Russian campaign by the West.

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Blue Meanies (Apple Computer)

The Blue Meanies of Apple Computer was an engineering group primarily responsible for the architecture of System 7 during the early and mid 1990s.

The name references the evil characters of Pepperland in the movie Yellow Submarine, and originated with the Pink and Blue split in Apple's operating system planning. Pink was the further-out project that ultimately became Taligent, and Blue designated incremental improvements to the flagship System 7. "Meanies" describes the group's architectural role, which frequently entailed instructing or negating engineers in other groups.

Though the Meanies have sometimes been characterized as the "coders of System 7", the OS was by then sufficiently large that major subsystems such as QuickDraw and QuickTime were developed and maintained by specialized groups, and the Meanies primarily focused on orchestrating the components together.

The name appeared outside of Apple as an Easter egg starting in System 7.0.1, where the texts "Help! Help! We're being held prisoner in a system software factory!" and "The Blue Meanies:" were followed by a list of names. Subsequent releases were updated to track the comings and goings of people in the group.

The nickname became well known, because many of the Meanies were also the senior engineers interacting with developers at venues such as the Worldwide Developers Conference (especially on the Stump the Experts panel) and MacHack. This included Darin Adler and Lew Cirne.

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Welcome from Redwolf24
Welcome!

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. We as a community are glad to have you and thank you for creating a user account! Here are a few good links for newcomers:
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Yes some of the links appear a bit boring at first, but they are VERY helpful if you ever take the time to read them.

Remember to place any articles you create into a category so we don't get orphans.

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! By the way, please be sure to sign your name on Talk and vote pages using four tildes (~~~~) to produce your name and the current date, or three tildes (~~~) for just your name. If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the village pump or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome.

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P.S. I like messages :-P

Thanks for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thank you! Dan100 (Talk) 13:21, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

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Unna (disambiguation)

Unna is a town that is the seat of the Unna district.

Unna may also refer to:

People

 * Henry of Unna, proctor of the University of Paris in the 14th century
 * Jacob Unna (1800–1881), born in Hamburg, of German Jewish descent
 * Moshe Unna (1902–1989), Israeli politician
 * Paul Gerson Unna (1850–1929), German physician
 * Warren Unna (1923–2017), American journalist

Other uses

 * Unna (district), a district in the state of North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany
 * Unna, a captive orca
 * Unna, a long scarf worn by South Asians
 * Unna boot, a special gauze bandage
 * Unna, a word in Indigenous Australian lexicology meaning "ain't it?"

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WikiThinkings
''Here are some thoughts I've had about Wikipedia. Comments are highly encouraged; please post them on my talk page. Most recent WikiThinkings are at the bottom.''

It's great
Comment added 04:39, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

This is a seriously cool endeavor. I've been involved with the Internet since before the Web, and I've been happy to see how the Web as a whole is evolving into a storehouse of easily available information. But some kinds of information have been hard to get on the Web as a whole. Much of this is finding its way into Wikipedia (and similar projects). The result is an extraordinarily useful reference. It's great. I love it.

Actually, I'm surprised how well Wikipedia works. Allowing absolutely anyone to edit, without even requiring an ID, seems ridiculously naïve, a recipe for disaster. And yet it works, largely due (I guess) to the efforts of people who evidently have no lives, and spend all day reverting vandalism. Realistically, though, I imagine it will stop working soon. Automated vandalism is on its way; I predict that Wikipedia will begin requiring an ID (at least) to do edits within a couple of years (for the record, it is now 04:39, 25 July 2005 (UTC)).

Another thing that makes it all work is thousands of people that are utterly obsessed with some small fragment of human knowledge. These people make the details of Wikipedia accurate and authoritative. But when they do their work, completely oblivious of the world of knowledge around them, the results can be humorous. E.g., the CAPS page used to be a redirect to the Cirrus Aircraft Parachute System, of all things. Is that what "CAPS" means to you? Of course it is.

It seems customary to have a brag list of pages one has written. But I find I much prefer editing to writing. As of this writing, I have 134 edits in 103 days (is that a lot? I dunno), but I've only created one page (not including this one, talk pages, etc.), and it was on a topic I know nothing about, just a place for a broken link to go. But as Wikipedia grows, it will need a vast amount of tweaking. Pages that continually get extended will evolve into swampy messes. Someone has to clean these up. And I find I like doing this. Odd? Maybe. Flashy and heroic? Certainly not. But people like me, the hyenas (earthworms? dung beetles?) of the Wikipedia community, make it all work.

Finding the people
Comment added 04:39, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Many pages are part of a general cloud of pages being worked on by a sub-community of the larger Wikipedia community. How does one find these people? If there is a general discussion going on with guidelines decided, how does one discover what they are and help flesh them out? Talk pages are great for a single page, but, again, many pages are part of a coherent subcollection. Maybe this question has a good answer (if so, what is it???), but I can't figure it out. So even if you tell me, other new folks also won't be able to figure it out. What do we do about this?

Vandal watching
Comment added 08:04, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

In my brief time on Wikipedia, I have uncovered a fair amount of vandalism (or, more generally, clearly inappropriate editing, whether deliberate or not). Each time I have found this, I have looked at all the other edits made by the same person, to see if there are other things that need fixing. I have observed some patterns, most expected, but one rather surprising.

 * Vandals tend to make few edits.

We're all thankful for this. The record so far, for a vandal I've discovered, has been 14 edits total. [ ''News flash: Just found one with 30 edits, but it's an IP, so maybe multiple people are involved. 21:26, 9 August 2005 (UTC)'' ] This makes sense; the people who spend lots of time working on Wikipedia will be those who support it. Of course, vandalism is still a problem; both physical and Wikipedial vandalism is such a pain because it is so easy to do and such hard work to fix.

 * Vandals tend to edit inappropriately more than once.

Sadly.

 * Vandals tend to make positive contributions as well.

This is the surprising one. So far, every vandal I have discovered has, at some point, made an edit that was clearly beneficial to Wikipedia. There is definitely some interesting psychology behind this observation.

The 100-page challenge
Comment added 11:30, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

I recently gave myself the following challenge:
 * Look at 100 random Wikipedia pages, and see how many of them you can constructively edit.

I'm happy to say I met the challenge, but the result was surprising: 70 of them.

To make a short story long, I clicked on the Random article link 100 times and examined what I got. In 45 of the articles, I was able to make improvements that required no knowledge of the subject matter of the article. I corrected punctuation, spelling, grammar, or English usage, and I changed formatting to conform with the Wikipedia Manual of Style.

In another 25 articles, there were improvements that were clearly needed, and which I was able to make after a small amount of research, despite being unfamiliar with the subject matter of the article. I added internal and external links, restated sentences in NPOV form, etc.

In the remaining 30 articles I saw no changes that I could be sure were beneficial.

The scary part of all this is that 100 random pages makes a pretty good sample, for statistical purposes. We can conclude that about 45% of all Wikipedia pages can be improved by anyone who is familiar with English punctuation, usage, etc., along with Wikipedia editing procedures and the Manual of Style. An additional 25%, for about 70% total, can be improved by anyone who, in addition, knows a little about doing research. If you want to be a little more rigorous, you can toss in the fact that the margin of error in this number is about 10% (at the 95% confidence level). Thus, it is very likely that at least 60% of Wikipedia pages can be constructively edited by non-experts.

As of right now, there are 681,706 articles on Wikipedia. That means there are likely upwards of 409,000 articles that can be improved by anyone who can proofread and do a little research, who knows how to edit in Wikipedia and is familiar with the Manual of Style.

That's a lot.

There is work to be done, folks.

On quality
Comment added 22:57, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

In my last comment ("The 100-page challenge"), I noted that some 70% of random Wikipedia pages are in a state such that nearly anyone, regardless of knowledge of the topic, can improve them. I closed with a call to action.

But there is of course another spin one can put on this information: Wikipedia is full of awfully low-quality stuff.

To be fair, the average page viewed by a typical visitor to Wikipedia will tend to be of higher quality than those I looked at. This is because someone who is looking for information will not be viewing random pages. And pages that people are interested in, as well as pages with lots of links to them, will tend to be of higher quality (actually I'm just guessing here; I should check this out).

Still, Wikipedia is full of awfully low-quality stuff. I don't expect this to change. As the frontiers of Wikipedia move outward, people will expand it by adding poorly written articles. This is part of the price we pay for such great breadth.

In this, Wikipedia mirrors the Web as a whole. There is much that is useful on the Web. But the average Web page is of utterly abysmal quality. This has been true for over a decade. Possibly it will be true for centuries.

On the Web, we have solutions: filters, ways to find good stuff. Google is the quintessential example. Other search engines, pages of links, sites with reviews, etc., all help us find high quality content on the Web.

Let us now consider how to do something similar for Wikipedia: how do we help people find the good stuff? Again, solutions are already in place. Frozen articles, feature articles, Wikiprojects, and the simple fact that articles we actually look at tend to be of higher than average quality, all help us find the good stuff here.

Now, what else can we do?

Why do the salesfolk come?
Comment added 23:25, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

I wrote a little something on Wikipedia talk:Help desk that I thought was worth enshrining here. It was asked why people go to the Help desk to try to get Wikipedia to market their stuff. The general consensus was "stupidity". I wrote:

 * Some possibilities:
 * The idea of "open development" is a new concept, one that many people have not really grokked. So they see a huge thing like Wikipedia, and they figure there must be a large profit-motivated corporation involved somewhere. Thus: advertising.
 * They are stuck in their own little world, which they think everyone everywhere is terribly interested in. If that world revolves around some company or product, then they figure everyone is interested in it.
 * They have learned that if you are always a nice little boy/girl and always follow all the rules, you never accomplish anything or get any recognition or money or anything. So they learn to Take Risks and Break The Rules. Lots of people do this. After all, if certain people hadn't Broken The Rules a few years back, we wouldn't have Wikipedia, would we? Some people Break The Rules by founding an open encyclopedia. Others Break The Rules by saying, "Hey, wanna buy my cool product?" to everyone they meet.
 * They remember that there is a Real World. And in the Real World, a "help desk" is a piece of wood or metal furniture with a representative of some company or organization behind it. So they approach as a representative of their company/organization. And they do what organizational rep's do when they meet: they talk about collaboration between the organizations. (And then they wonder why we all hate them. "But these people said it was a 'help desk'," they think, "Why are they mad at me?")
 * They learned about the Web by watching TV commercials and reading Business Week in 1998. They think, "The web is a place where people sell things." Wikipedia is on the web. Logic dictates only one possible conclusion.
 * Or, yeah, maybe they're just stupid.

I can add a couple more now:
 * They know what Wikipedia is all about, but they don't care. They just want to sell stuff, no matter who they offend or what communities get messed up.
 * They know what Wikipedia is all about, but they disagree with the consensus on using Wikipedia as a marketing tool. Further, they feel that, as a Wikipedia editor, they have the right to point Wikipedia's purpose in new directions. They do this by talking about marketing their products.

Wow, that last one sounds almost noble, doesn't it?

Somewhat related, User:Dmcdevit has a personal page called Help desk funnies. I'm a little down on ridiculing people like this, but, well, these questions were public already, and some of them are worth a chuckle.

New baby
Comment added 02:02, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

After being a Wikipedia editor for some 124 days (and reading Wikipedia for much longer), I finally wrote myself a full-fledged article: Haber's rule. That's my edit # 376 (or # 333 if you only count edits of regular articles).

So now my dear little baby is out there on its own, and <sniff, sniff> all you mean people are just going to tear it up.

Please be kind to my baby. Make it your baby if you want, but be kind. Thank you.

Thoughts on tagline/disclaimer/whatever
Comment added 08:37, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

I wrote the following on Village pump (policy). It concerns the proposal to add a new tagline or disclaimer to all Wikipedia pages.

 * I think there are issues behind the tagline discussion that need some closer examination.

 * I note that people are speaking in terms of a "disclaimer". Disclaimers are legal devices. The idea is to cut through the PR nonsense and (using legal nonsense) indicate precisely what is being claimed. Usually contractual issues and protection from lawsuits are the relevant concerns. I think this is an issue for Wikipedia, and it needs some serious thought; however, this does not seem to be what is driving this discussion.

 * What is driving the discussion is the problem that people come to Wikipedia, read it, use it, maybe even edit it, without a clear understanding of what it is. Some of them end up using information from Wikipedia in inappropriate ways due to these misunderstandings. Others, when they discover what Wikipedia really is, feel deceived and angry. Others get angry due to their misunderstandings. Quite rightly, we want to address these issues.

 * So, first, I want to point out that we cannot be responsible for other people's actions. Many, many people are in the habit of grabbing some source, getting info from it, and leaving, without considering reliability or other important issues. Many of these people use Wikipedia. What can we do about them? Nothing. If someone does not want to give any thought to the source of his information, then all the explanatory text in the world will not help. Let us remember then, that some things are the reader's responsibility, not ours.

 * Second, Wikipedia is a new thing; the world has never seen its like before. We call it an "encyclopedia", and it is, I suppose. However, it is clear that many ideas that people associate with encyclopedias are not applicable to Wikipedia. But there is no word or phrase in any language that will concisely and thoroughly indicate to newcomers what Wikipedia is. So: how can we quickly give people a clear understanding of all the principles and process behind Wikipedia? We cannot. It is a waste of time to try.

 * Third, there is an annoying tradition, especially in the U.S., that every time there is an issue with some product, we tack on a notice in its documentation somewhere. I bought a soldering torch. It came with pages & pages of lists of things I should be careful of. And I read and thoughtfully considered every one, of course, wouldn't you? </sarcasm> This approach was invented by corporate lawyers as a way of stopping lawsuits. It is not about communicating information, and so it is not going to help us here. In short, don't think that tacking on gobs of little notices is going to eliminate everyone's misunderstandings about Wikipedia.

 * Fourth, there are people who are interested in checking their sources. Many of them do not understand Wikipedia, and could make better use of it if they did. Taglines & such are not going to help them. What might help is a short essay about who writes Wikipedia, and what approval processes an article needs to go through to be published in it. (Yes, I know, the short answer is "none", but we should still talk about the approval process, since that is what people want to know about.) The hard part is helping people find this explanation.

 * And that is what I think it is important to address. So, how about an actual concrete proposal: Instead of a tagline intended to communicate what Wikipedia is all about, how about a tagline that tells people where they can find such information, aimed at newcomers. Here's an off-the-top-of-my-head line: "Who writes Wikipedia?" Then make this a link to that short essay I mentioned earlier (or to a list of bullet points, or whatever). I'm sure someone can improve on this idea. Please do.

 * As I said earlier, I think disclaimers should be discussed as well, but that is a separate issue. Disclaimers are about contracts and lawsuits, not introducing newcomers and explaining things.

Splitting disputed articles
Comment added 15:12, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

It is amazing how thoroughly people can disagree on some issues. Anyone who does much browsing in Wikipedia will eventually run into some pretty nasty disputes. Look at pages like Book of Genesis, Macedonia, or Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and you find people who disagree strongly, not merely on what is good and what is bad, but also on how to write a factual, NPOV article.

An interesting solution to this, when there are clearly delineated factions, would be to let each side write its own article. We could still have the same nominal requirements: no insulting the "other side", no arguing for a position, no weasel words, stick to the facts, strive for NPOV. But still allow the separate groups to write separate articles.

Probably there would still be a main page on the topic, protected from normal editing, which would hold the Wikipedia article. The main page could link to the factional articles, but they would be marked as having somewhat lesser status. This would fit well with a larger trend, in which Wikipedia heads toward the recognition of varying levels of quality or importance.

Of course this idea may cause more problems than it solves. Once we let factions write their own articles, every little group with an axe to grind may start clamoring for the right to produce its own version. And of course this departs significantly from the common idea of an "encyclopedia", as well as many Wikipedians' vision for what Wikipedia should be like. Even worse, it effectively says that we simply cannot get along; we might as well not even try. So this may not be a good idea.

But I think it is an interesting idea.

[ ''News flash: It's been done. Essentially this idea is standard policy on Wikinfo (external link), a Wikipedia fork. 11:59, 20 August 2005 (UTC)'' ]

Maturity or death
Comment added 10:15, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia seems to be going through its adolescence now. Will it emerge as a grown up encyclopedia-or-whatever-it-ought-to-be-called? I really, really hope so. I think it has the seeds of something wonderful in it.

But it might die. And here is what might cause this.

 * A fight at the top

 * For all the accusations that Jimmy Wales and his pals get, based on my experience here I think they run this project very well. This is in part because they don't really seem to "run" it. They are largely a hands-off group. Wikipedia really is created by you and me. Nonetheless, these people are crucial to Wikipedia's continued existence. For example, Wikipedia runs on specific computers. Someone maintains these. If they stop, Wikipedia stops.

 * Now, if that happens, it is possible that someone else (some company, maybe) will take over the administration of Wikipedia. But suppose the folks at the top have a feud, and there is no clear winner, and other people start taking sides, and lots of people walk off together in a huff. Then Wikipedia, as a movement, splits, which probably means that Wikipedia is dead.

 * Lack of improvement

 * In recent months, a number of articles critical of Wikipedia have been published. For example, one noteworthy critical article was The Faith-Based Encyclopedia, by Robert McHenry, former Editor in Chief of the Encyclopædia Britannica. McHenry, and others, have argued that Wikipedia has serious problems. Predicably, Wikipedians seem to have responded mostly with rebuttals and self-promotion. But self-examination might be more appropriate.

 * Wikipedia does have serious problems. Its reliability and quality of writing are, to put it charitably, inconsistent. Its aims and policies are widely misunderstood. Some people are reluctant to use Wikipedia in public settings due to the possibility of page vandalism involving pornographic images.

 * We must make progress toward solving these and other problems, or Wikipedia's reputation will decline. And for projects like Wikipedia, reputation is everything. A bad reputation means the end of Wikipedia.

 * The GFDL

 * Wikipedia content is licensed under the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL). And this may kill Wikipedia.

 * Don't get me wrong; I think the GNU General Public License (GPL) and its cousins, which include the GFDL, are good licenses. I have released software under the GPL. I will probably do so again. But consider: is the GDFL the license that will be exactly what Wikipedia needs for the years (decades?) to come? Maybe, maybe not. I don't know. Neither do you. No one does. But the GFDL is the license we are irrevocably stuck with.

 * This is because the GFDL allows anyone to make derivative versions of works, but requires that, if they are distributed, they must be licensed under the GFDL. Now, any work can be released under other license terms with the consent of the copyright owners. But once two people have edited a GFDL document, they are both copyright owners for the final version; they must both give consent, for the final version to be released under other terms. The copyright for Wikipedia is owned, individually, by all the contributors. We can only choose a new license for Wikipedia as a whole if we can get the consent of everyone who has ever edited it. Obviously, that is not going to happen.

 * I am not the first to notice this problem. Various movements are afoot to get Wikipedia contributors to dual-license their contributions, usually using one of the Creative Commons licenses. Thus, one sees dual-license notices on many user pages (including mine). I support the aims of most of these movements, but I think there is no hope whatsoever of getting everyone to dual-license.

 * So we are stuck with the GFDL. But years down the road, the world will be different. If the survival of Wikipedia depends on changing the license terms, then Wikipedia will die.

 * Something better

 * This is the "good" way for Wikipedia to die: something much better might come along. I can't imagine what that would be, and I hope that, whatever it is, it doesn't make all our effort here wasted.

Wikipedia is one of a number of high-profile open development projects. Other examples are the GNU Project and the Linux kernel. However, these are software projects; Wikipedia is not. GNU and Linux now appear to be leaving their adolescence, becoming grown-up world citizens and proving that open development can and does produce high-quality software. It remains to be determined whether it can also produce an enduring, constantly evolving, respected collection of useful information.

Will Wikipedia grow up or die? We shall see.

Bringing in the experts
Comment added 07:58, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

In December 2004, Larry Sanger, former editor-in-chief of Nupedia (and thus, essentially, of Wikipedia), wrote an article (Why Wikipedia Must Jettison Its Anti-Elitism) in which he argued that Wikipedia fails to value sufficiently those contributions that come from genuine experts. He wrote that Wikipedia should "both prize and praise its most knowledgeable contributors".

I agree, but getting the experts here may be much harder than people think.

Consider: where are the experts? Some of them are out turning their expertise into fortunes, of course. Experts in law, management, engineering, or finance have lucrative careers available to them. Experts in, say, Victorian literature do not, however. Most of them can be found at universities. This is true of many, many fields. In particular, I think it is true of the kinds of areas in which Wikipedia tends to be lacking. In short, Wikipedia needs university professors.

Now, how does a modern university work? Certainly there are financial issues; universities have to pay the bills after all. But universities are not run like for-profit corporations; it is generally understood that many things a professor does will not bring in money. What they are supposed to bring in is credit for work certified as well done.

For example, there is journal publishing. Academic journal articles are "peer reviewed", meaning experts in the field evaluate each article to determine whether it is good enough. If an article passes the test, then it is published with the author's name on it (credit). The act of publication indicates that the article meets the standards of the journal (certified as well done).

Traditional encyclopedias meet both of these standards. Articles are published with a byline (credit), and hopefully, the encyclopedia has standards that must be met for an article to be included (certified as well done).

These criteria are why traditional academic journals continue to exist, despite how much easier it is — for both authors and readers — if an article is simply placed on a web page. The latter gets the author credit, but does not allow for certification.

An interesting flip side is a software project following an open-source development model, such as the Linux kernel. This has the certification, in the form of code reviews, but usually not the credit. However, the Linux kernel project has no need for the services of experts in Victorian literature.

Wikipedia does need them, but it fails both tests. Authors get their username associated with their work, but then others edit, move, and generally remake things until they are unrecognizable. No one person is The Author of a Wikipedia article, and so no one person gets credit. Further, the certification process is lacking, to say the least; certainly there is no such process that meets the standards of universities

What does Wikipedia have to offer academics? As of now, nothing but a bit of fun, really. How do we get real experts here? I am not sure, but Sanger has a suggestion. He intends to solve other problems, but I think he solves the certification problem as well. He writes:
 * ... if the project participants had greater respect for expertise, they would have long since invited a board of academics and researchers to manage a culled version of Wikipedia (one that, I think, would not directly affect the way the main project is run). But because project participants have such a horror of the traditional deference to expertise, this sort of proposal has never been taken very seriously by most Wikipedians leading the project now. And so much the worse for Wikipedia and its reputation.

If done properly, this would solve the certification problem. Unfortunately, it does nothing for the credit problem, unless a new kind of article were invented, one which could only be edited by its creator and others the creator approves. And that would change Wikipedia a great deal, perhaps far too much.

This problem is one to think about. Thoughts, anyone?

Some strong opinions

 * 1) The whole world, except the U.S., uses the metric system. Wikipedia is for the world. Learn to live with it, Americans.
 * 2) Context, context, include context. I just edited a page that informed me that all I needed to know about a fellow named "Dave Lister" was that "Rimmer usually calls him this, but Holly usually calls him Dave." No links, nothing. My goodness, is it that hard to say "Red Dwarf"?
 * 3) The first line of an article should be a definition or categorization of a term. It should be aimed at people who have no idea what the term means. For example, an article I edited said that Dr. Aloysius X. L. Pendergast is a special agent with the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation. Except that he isn't. Pendergast is a fictional character in various novels, and in those novels, he is an FBI agent. The first line needs to say he is a fictional character.

Multi-licensing
Below are the multi-license conditions I agree to.

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User talk:Stirling Newberry/04

Tonality reversion a good thing
For what it's worth, I support your reversion of Tony1's changes. All in all, I'm not sure what Tony1's motivation is for these changes. I am genuinely interested, and hopefully it will become clear through some discussion. — HorsePunchKid → 龜 18:25, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * "Tonality" is not a purely European concept. It clearly predates the church origins that Tony1 implies (Pythagoras, anyone?) and surely developed independently elsewhere (though I can't cite any specific examples).
 * "Chord" and "triad" can't simply be exchanged as Tony1 implied. I can invert a seventh chord just as well as a simple major triad, right? (My theory is, admittedly, a bit rusty.)
 * Regarding the "scale degree" table, roman numerals are vastly more commonly used, at least outside of jazz.

Sorry, where did I do that?
You wrote: "Please don't make statements about policy not being followed unless you are sure it is not being followed. Stirling Newberry - Bopnews 03:38, 30 July 2005 (UTC)"

Sorry, but I don't know to what statment of mine you are objecting to? Can you please provide the reference? "Bush move" I don't get? Thanks. Calicocat 03:44, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

"Simple vandalism" on Joe Scarborough?
Who exactly has added "simple vandalism"? J. Parker Stone 04:34, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

I hate to bring this up, but why do you consider the actions of editors who decide to not login simple vandalism? Several other editors who do not login have edited this article and do not have a history of vandalism, and they removed thesame paragraph. Please, look at the article discussion first. I'm not questioning your motives, I'm just asking for respect of the other editors in kind. Conradrock 07:23, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Excuse me? Your response is tettering close to bad faith. I made no mention of the RFC, only the edits and discussion that non-anonymous editors have made, and I also wanted to point out not all of the anonymous editors to this article are trying to engage in an edit war. The RFC is otiose, pure and simple, and you shouldn't be taking out your bad feelings on the RFC on editors who aren't even involved. You haven't contributed anything constructive; you just went in and reverted without even looking at the discussion by others. Plus, if you even bothered to read Talk:Joe_Scarborough, you would notice that myself and User:Rhobite have been trying to establish a compromise between the two parties, but we've both been honest and made our views clear. I'm sorry, but you've violated one of the cardinal rules of mediation, and have done nothing but increased the intensity of the situation. Conradrock 08:23, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

 * You opened the door to being uncivil, Mr. Newberry; then you made assumptions based on a limited basis of facts. You're just like the anonymous IPs that are constantly reverting this article, you're going into the argument blind. I treated you with no disrespect during my initial inquiry, and you fired away like I was attacking you. You attacked first Mr. Newberry, for no other reason other than a simple friendly inquiry. Now, you can either participate in the discussion or leave the article alone. Your decision, and I do not anticipate a response. Conradrock 15:18, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree with Conradrock. Many of us are trying to resolve this dispute on the Joe Scarborough talk page. Since you, Stirling Newberry, simply revert without participating in that discussion your actions are exactly the same as those you accuse of vandalism.--Heathcliff 23:07, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Again, you fail to see the point. For someone who feels "insulted" you do seem to resort to uncivil attacks and accusations at first, as shown by your history. If you bothered to research, you will see that I participated in reverting and bringing action Old_Right due to his lack of discussion, and he opposes the view that you have made strongly. You have shown your bad faith as of now, by resorting to insults and ad hominem attacks from the start of our, for lack of a better term, conversation. I asked you a simple question, and you have resorted to insults and personal attacks in order to avoid the question. No one else, besides the random anonymous trolls, have engaged in such behavior. Perhaps you should step back and review this matter before you engage in your current course. Also, please do not reply with your canned "uncivil" message that you have used on the numerous people whose views you disagree with. Conradrock 00:24, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

consensus
The Authentic Matthew VFD has closed. The results were
 * Delete - 21 (58%)
 * Keep - 11 (31%)
 * Merge - 4 (11%)

This was declared to have been no consensus, and therefore a new VFD has been opened at Votes for deletion/Authentic Matthew (consensus).

Would you be prepared to re-add your vote there? ( ! | ? | * ) 09:40, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Anonymous RfCs
I endorsed your comment that anonymous Requests for Comment should be closed without comment. I think that guidelines should be clarified to explain why anonymous editors are welcome, but do not have some of the privileges of logged-in users. In particular, I thinkt that they should not be able to request dispute resolution, and should not presume to think that they can vote in surveys. I also think that there should be a mechanism to allow admins to protect articles from all anonymous edits. At this time, there are at least two articles that are being subjected to attacks by anonymous editors. On the Senator Edward Kennedy page, an anonymous editor wants to put a link to a crude attack site against the Kennedy family. He claims that the vote is 12-11 in favor of the link. I think it is 11-1 against, because I count all of the anonymous edits as one vote if that. Also, there is an anonymous vandal called Dot-Six who thinks that NPOV and consensus are logical fallacies, and disrupts pages on philosophy in support of some argument. I think that those pages should be protected.

In any case, I agree that anonymous complaints should be discarded. Robert McClenon 00:55, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Editor issues with User:Mirror_Vax
Stirling, I've copied below a section of the talk page on Movement to impeach George W. Bush, which you can find here. The user, User:Mirror_Vax, is acting in bad faith and continually insulting other editors and he has not contributed a word of editing or research to the article, yet he continully places the "totallydisputed" there. Please, when time allows, have a look at the talk sections and see if you don't agree that this user is just there to cause trouble, his only effort seems to be directed at keeping a "negative" tag on the article. Thanks for checking this out. Cheers, Calicocat 21:28, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

(Copied from comment on talk page, link above) I have issues with the behaviour of Mirror Vax. He has contually replaced the Totallydisputed tag on this article, yet has made no substantive points as to why and has not contributed one word of editing to improve the article. I opened up two specific talk sections calling for him, by name, to contibute his exact examples of where the article is lacking in factually accuracy and neutrality. Rather than making use of those sections, he put them down as "empty" sections and then also put down a simple staw poll section I put in the talk section to get a reading from the other editors here. Mirror Vax's objections are nothing more than a few minor issues more in the area of clean-ups. Again, Mirror Vax, has done no editing at all on this article, other than to continually challenge its neutrality and accuracy. He has done no research or writing to help improve this article. His only contribution is to snipe and make uncivil remarks to other editors and I feel he is acting as a kind of agent provocateur. He has been highly uncivil to me and to other editors of this article. (He left a message with a highly insulting personal comment on my user talk page, which he weakly attemped to veil by phrasing it in the negative, "it's not like I'm saying X." I will not repeat what he said here, but it was completely inappropriate). Finding no substantive points in the article with regard to neutrality or factual accuracy, I have again removed the totallydisputed tag. Calicocat 21:13, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Authentic Matthew the Sequel
The POV that was in Authentic Matthew, an article you voted to delete, before it was NPOVed has been re-created at a new article - see Votes for deletion/The Original Gospel of Matthew. ( ! | ? | * ) 20:15, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

A message for you
Two questions: why do you consider someone who doesn't conform to your point of view a personal attack, e.g. Rhobite, Conradrock, Trey Stone? Also, why do you refer to your self as "notable" and in the third person when the only notable thing you have done according to Google is write a couple of blogs whining about Bush? Also, how are you a "Military Analyst" when you have done nothing with any aspect of Military operations? Please answer me, millions of other people would love to know. Ray Lopez 11:26, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

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Hoichi the Earless

Hoichi the Earless (耳なし芳一) is the name of a well-known figure from Japanese folklore. His story is well known in Japan, and the best-known English translation first appeared in the book Kwaidan: Stories and Studies of Strange Things by Lafcadio Hearn.

A version of this story appears in the film Kwaidan, as well as the play The Dream of a Summer Day, which are both based on Hearn's work.

The source text Hearn used has been identified as the work of Isseki Sanjin (一夕散人), entitled "The Secret Biwa Music that Caused the Yurei to Lament (琵琶秘曲泣幽霊)", in the series Gayū kidan (臥遊奇談), vol. 2, (pub. 1782).

Legend summary
According to legend, Hoichi was a blind minstrel (or biwa hōshi) with an amazing gift for the biwa (a loquat-shaped Japanese lute). He was particularly good at performing The Tale of the Heike, an epic describing the fall of Emperor Antoku, who is buried at Amidaji Temple. His performances were so wonderful that "even the goblins could not refrain from tears". Despite his talents, Hoichi was very poor and was forced to live at Amidaji Temple under the care of a friendly priest.

As the story goes, Hoichi was approached late one night by a gruff samurai who demanded that the minstrel play for his lord without the priest's knowledge. The retainer led the blind Hoichi into what appeared to be the home of some powerful daimyō, where a performance of The Tale of the Heike was requested. Hoichi's performance was met by high praise and moved his audience to tears, and he was asked to return the next evening for a follow-up recital. Before the retainer returned him to his temple, Hoichi was told that the nobleman for whom he had been playing was traveling incognito and was warned not to speak of the evening's events. The following evening, the samurai returned to Hoichi's quarters and led him back to the nobleman. However, this time Hoichi's absence was discovered by the priest. The priest then had searchers sent to find Hoichi; he was eventually found playing his biwa furiously in the middle of the Amidaji cemetery. When they dragged him back to the temple, Hoichi explained the previous night's events to the priest.

Realizing that Hoichi had been bewitched by ghosts, the priest vowed to save his friend from further trickery. He painted Hoichi's body with the kanji characters of the Heart Sūtra for protection and instructed him to remain silent and motionless when he is called upon again by his ghostly audience. That evening the samurai called for Hoichi as before and was angered when he received no response. The retainer, revealed to be a wandering spirit, approached Hoichi but was unable to see anything but his ears. The sutra had rendered the rest of Hoichi's body invisible. Attempting to comply with his orders, the samurai ripped Hoichi's ears off as proof that they had been the only portion of the lute player that he could see.

After the ghostly retainer had left, Hoichi was still too frightened to react, despite the blood gushing from the wounds on his head. When the priest returned, he realized in dismay that he had neglected to write the sutra on Hoichi's ears, which had left them vulnerable to the spirit. Despite his injury, Hoichi's ordeal had freed him from the spirit's power, and he went on to recover from his wounds and become a famous musician.

Setting and variants
The vintage text also names Hōichi as the biwa strumming protagonist, and is set in Akama-seki, Chōshū, at the Buddhist temple named Amidaji (all as in Hearn's version). This locale is identifiable as today's Akama Shrine in Shimonoseki, Yamaguchi.

A variant version collected by folklorists is called Mimikiri Dan'ichi (「耳切り団一」), taken down from Tokushima Prefecture (near Dannoura), and is mentioned by Kunio Yanagita in Hitotsume kozō sono ta (『一つ目小僧その他』).

Cultural references
Hoichi is often referenced in the book Blood Ninja and Blood Ninja 2, as the character Shusaku's choice to paint himself in order to hide from other vampires is compared to the tale of Hoichi.

In popular culture
A fictionalized version of this tale serves as an episode of the 2003 series 100 Tales of Horror (怪談百物語, Kaidan Hyaku Monogatari). In the particular episode, Hoichi's background was revised as having been originally a foot-soldier of the Heike, tasked to guard one of their princesses—one he eventually kills due to being maltreated. Afterwards, he presents the princess's head to a Genji commander, who rebukes him for betraying his charge and eventually blinding him as punishment. As his atonement, he began to perform The Tale of the Heike. The storyline follows the original elements of the folktale—with the twist being the ghostly court he performs to is eventually revealed to be his former Heike compatriots, and who finally takes his ears as a final act of spite before letting him go.

His reflection is also used by the yokai "Biwa Boku-boku" (a haunted biwa) in the video game Nioh and its sequel.

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List of television shows set in Wisconsin

The following television shows are set in the U.S. state of Wisconsin:

 * Adventure in Dairyland (set in Madison)
 * Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (set in Milwaukee and several fictional cities)
 * Aliens in America (set in Chippewa Falls)
 * American Dreamer (set in Kenosha)
 * Dahmer – Monster: The Jeffrey Dahmer Story (partly set in Milwaukee area)
 * The George Wendt Show (set in Madison)
 * Happy Days (set in suburban Milwaukee)
 * Laverne & Shirley (set in Milwaukee)
 * Liv & Maddie (set in Stevens Point)
 * Raising Miranda (set in Racine)
 * Step by Step (set in Port Washington)
 * Supernatural (multiple episodes set in various Wisconsin towns including episodes based in Milwaukee and Madison)
 * A Whole New Ballgame (set in Milwaukee)

Television shows set in fictional cities in Wisconsin

 * ChalkZone (set in fictional city of Plainville, which is possibly located in Wisconsin, as there is a very small town named Plainville located within the Wisconsin Township of Dell Prairie. However, this appears to be a mere theory, as at no point in the show is its fictional setting of Plainville ever stated to be located in the state of Wisconsin.)
 * Life with Louie (set in fictional Cedar Knoll)
 * A Minute With Stan Hooper (set in fictional Waterford Falls)
 * My Talk Show (set in fictional Derbyville)
 * Picket Fences (set in a fictional town of Rome, although there are two towns of Rome in Wisconsin, one in Adams County and the other in Jefferson County)
 * That '70s Show (set in the fictional Point Place, a suburb of Kenosha, Wisconsin)
 * The Young and the Restless (set in a fictional Genoa City, although there is a real town of Genoa City, Wisconsin; It also make references to Waukesha County, Wisconsin in several storylines)
 * That '90s Show (set in the fictional Point Place, a suburb of Kenosha, Wisconsin)


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Draco Dwarf

The Draco Dwarf is a spheroidal galaxy which was discovered by Albert George Wilson of Lowell Observatory in 1954 on photographic plates of the National Geographic Society's Palomar Observatory Sky Survey (POSS). It is part of the Local Group and a satellite galaxy of the Milky Way galaxy. The Draco Dwarf is situated in the direction of the Draco Constellation at 34.6° above the galactic plane.

Characteristics
Paul W. Hodge analyzed the distribution of its stars in 1964 and concluded that its ellipticity was 0.29 ± 0.04. Recent studies have indicated that the galaxy may potentially hold large amounts of dark matter. Having an absolute magnitude of −8.6 and a total luminosity of only, it is one of the faintest companions to our Milky Way.

Draco Dwarf contains many red giant branch (RGB) stars; five carbon stars have been identified in Draco Dwarf and four likely asymptotic giant branch (AGB) stars have been detected.

The Draco Dwarf is estimated to be 80 ± 10 kpc from Earth and span a distance of 830 ± 100 × 570 ± 70 pc.

RR Lyrae
In 1961, Walter Baade and Henrietta H. Swope studied Draco Dwarf and discovered over 260 variables, of the 138 in the cluster's center, all but five were determined to be RR Lyrae variables. From this work a RR Lyrae derived distance modulus of 19.55 is found which implies a distance of 81 kpc.

Metallicity
The Draco Dwarf contains primarily an old population of stars and insignificant amounts of interstellar matter (being basically dust free). From 75% to 90% of its stars formed more than ~10 Gyr ago followed by a low rate of formation with a small burst of star formation around 2–3 Gyr ago. It has a single Gaussian distribution with average metallicity of [Fe/H] = −1.74 dex with a standard deviation (sigma/σ) of 0.24 dex and a small tail of metal-rich stars. The central region of Draco Dwarf exhibits a concentration of more metal-rich stars there being more centrally concentrated red horizontal branch stars than blue horizontal branch stars.

Dark matter
Recently, dwarf spheroidal galaxies have become key objects for the study of dark matter. The Draco Dwarf is one which has received specific attention. Radial velocity computations of Draco have revealed a large internal velocity dispersion giving a mass to luminosity ratio of up to /, suggesting large amounts of dark matter. It has been hypothesized that large velocity dispersions could be explained as tidal dwarfs (virtually unbound stellar streams from dwarf galaxies tidally disrupted in the Milky Way potential). However, Draco Dwarf's narrow horizontal branch width does not support this model. This only leaves the dark matter explanation and makes Draco Dwarf the most dark matter dominated object known as of 2007. The dark matter distribution within Draco Dwarf is at least nearly isothermal.

At large radii, radial velocity dispersion exhibit strange behavior. One possible explanation for this would be the presence of more than one stellar population. This suggests the need for further study of Draco Dwarf population's metallicity and ages and of dwarf spheroidals in general.

In 2024, a group of scientists using the Hubble Space Telescope measured proper motions of Draco with 18 years of data, making it the first dwarf galaxy to have its 3D velocity dispersion profile radially resolved. The group of astronomers showed that Draco's dark matter distribution is in better agreement with the LCDM model, helping to alleviate the cusp-core problem.

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Richard A. Lupoff

Richard Allen Lupoff (February 21, 1935 – October 22, 2020) was an American science-fiction and mystery author, who also wrote humor, satire, nonfiction and reviews. In addition to his two dozen novels and more than 40 short stories, he also edited science-fantasy anthologies. He was an expert on the writing of Edgar Rice Burroughs, and had an equally strong interest in H. P. Lovecraft. He also co-edited the non-fiction anthology All in Color For a Dime (with Don Thompson), which has been described as "the very first published volume dedicated to comic book criticism"; as well as its sequel, The Comic-Book Book.

Early life and education
Born February 21, 1935, in Brooklyn, New York, into a Jewish family, Lupoff studied at the University of Miami, where he continued a career as a freelance journalist that began when he was 14.

Technology career
After completion of his degree and military service, Lupoff worked as a technical writer at Sperry Univac for five years, then at IBM for seven years, where his duties centered on directing informational films. The recession of the late 1970s caused him to return temporarily to employment in technology.

Writing career
He began his writing career in science-fiction fandom in the early 1950s, producing eight mimeographed copies of his own fanzine, SF52, and later working on others, including reviews for Algol and in the early 1960s, editing Xero with his wife Pat and Bhob Stewart. Xero's contributors included Dan Adkins, James Blish, Lin Carter, Avram Davidson, L. Sprague de Camp, Roger Ebert (then 19 years of age), Harlan Ellison, Ed Gorman, Eddie Jones, Roy G. Krenkel, Frederik Pohl, and Bob Tucker; it received the Hugo Award for Best Fanzine in 1963. In 2004, a hardcover anthology, The Best of Xero, coedited with Pat Lupoff and featuring a nostalgic introduction by Ebert, was published by Tachyon Publications. It was, in turn, nominated for the Hugo Award.

Lupoff was an editor of Edgar Rice Burroughs for Canaveral Press, and in 1965, at the request of the company's owners, wrote a biography of Burroughs, Edgar Rice Burroughs: Master of Adventure, his first book.

Science fiction
He began publishing fiction in 1967 with the novel One Million Centuries, and became a full-time writer in 1970. His next novels were Sacred Locomotive Flies (1971) and Into the Aether (1974); he is credited with more than 50 books, plus short fiction, nonfiction, and memoirs. He sometimes wrote under pseudonyms, such as Addison E. Steele, which he used for Buck Rogers novels, and Ova Hamlet, which he frequently used for parodies, collected in The Ova Hamlet Papers in 1975. Pastiche of other authors' styles and story settings and use of other authors and friends as characters are features of his writing.

Among his best-known novels are the duology Circumpolar! (1984) and Countersolar! (1987). His novel Sword of the Demon was nominated for the 1977 Nebula Award. Robert Silverberg described it as "a strange and austerely beautiful fable that cuts across genre lines."

His short fiction, which has often been collected and anthologized, includes the 1973 short story "12:01 PM", which was adapted into both the Oscar-nominated short film 12:01 pm (1990) and the TV movie 12:01 (1993). Lupoff appeared in both films as an extra. The major plot device is a time loop, and bears great similarity to that of 1993's Groundhog Day. Lupoff and Jonathan Heap, director of the 1990 film, were "outraged" by the apparent theft of the idea, but after six months of lawyers' conferences, they decided to drop the case against Columbia Pictures.

His novelette "After the Dreamtime" and his short story "Sail the Tide of Mourning" received Hugo Award nominations in 1975 and 1976. Steve Stiles and his collaborative graphic novel The Adventures of Professor Thintwhistle and his Incredible Aether Flyer, originally a series of comic strips in Heavy Metal, is considered a forerunner of steampunk.

Mystery
Returning to full-time writing, he turned, instead, to mystery. The Comic Book Killer. published in 1988, has several sequels. His first collection of short mystery stories is Quintet: The Cases of Chase and Delacroix (2008).

Radio program: Probabilities
Starting in 1977, Lupoff co-hosted a program on Pacifica Radio station KPFA-FM in Berkeley, California, that featured book reviews and interviews, primarily with science-fiction and mystery authors. Originally an occasional one-hour program called Probabilities Unlimited, after several months it became a regular weekly, half-hour program called simply Probabilities, which aired until 1995, and was relaunched that year as Cover to Cover; Lupoff left in 2001 to focus on his writing career, and the program was then again renamed to Bookwaves. Among the notable authors interviewed by Lupoff and his co-host, Richard Wolinsky, were Ray Bradbury, Octavia Butler, Richard Adams, Ursula K. Le Guin, and Kurt Vonnegut.

Personal life
Richard and Pat Lupoff were married from 1958 until her death in 2018, and had three children. They lived in Westchester County and then in Manhattan, and later in Northern California. He died in Oakland, CA on October 22, 2020.

Novels

 * One Million Centuries (1967)
 * Sacred Locomotive Flies (1971)
 * Into the Aether (1974)
 * The Crack in the Sky [vt Fool's Hill (1978 UK)](1976)
 * Sandworld (1976)
 * Lisa Kane (1976)
 * The Triune Man (1976)
 * Sword of the Demon (1977)
 * The Return of SkullFace (1977)
 * Space War Blues (1978)
 * Lovecraft's Book (1985)
 * The Forever City (1988)
 * The Comic Book Killer (1988)
 * The Adventures of Professor Thintwhistle and His Incredible Aether Flyer (1991) with Steve Stiles
 * Night of the Living Gator (1992)
 * Marblehead (Ramble House, 2006). The unexpurgated edition of Lovecraft's Book.
 * Buck Rogers in the 25th Century
 * Buck Rogers in the 25th Century (1978) [as by Addison E. Steele]
 * Buck Rogers: That Man On Beta (1979) [as by Addison E. Steele]
 * Philip José Farmer's The Dungeon (Dungeon series)
 * First book: The Black Tower (1988)
 * Sixth book: The Final Battle (1990)
 * Sun's End
 * Sun's End (1984)
 * Galaxy's End (1988)
 * Twin Planets
 * Circumpolar! (1984)
 * Countersolar! (1985)
 * Detective Fiction
 * The Comic Book Killer (1988)
 * The Classic Car Killer (1992)
 * The Bessie Blue Killer (1994)
 * The Sepia Siren Killer (1994)
 * The Cover Girl Killer (1995)
 * The Silver Chariot Killer (1996)
 * The Radio Red Killer (1997)
 * One Murder at a Time (associated short fiction) (2001)
 * The Emerald Cat Killer (2012)
 * Rookie Blues (one-off) (2012)

Short fiction

 * Nebogipfel at the End of Time (1978/1979)
 * Collections
 * The Ova Hamlet Papers (1979)
 * The Digital Wristwatch of Philip K. Dick / Hyperprism (1994)
 * Before ... 12:01 ... and After (1996) Fedogan & Bremer, pub. Introduction by Robert Silverberg.
 * Jubilee (1997) (collected in Mike Resnick's alternate history anthology "Alternate Tyrants")
 * Claremont Tales (2001)
 * Claremont Tales II (2002)
 * Terrors (2005)
 *  Quintet: The Cases of Chase and Delacroix (2006). Crippen & Landru, (2006)
 * The Compleat Ova Hamlet (2007)
 * Deep Space (2009)
 * Visions (2009)
 * Dreams (2011)
 * Killer's Dozen (2013)
 * Dreamer's Dozen (2015)
 * Anthologies
 * What If? Volume 1, Stories That Should Have Won The Hugo, (1980), stories from 1952–1958.
 * What If? Volume 2, Stories That Should Have Won The Hugo, (1981).
 * The Best of Xero, (2005), selections from Xero
 * What If? Volume 3 (2014)

Books

 * Master of Adventure: The Worlds of Edgar Rice Burroughs (1965, a 2005 reprint in the Bison Frontiers of Imagination series)
 * All in Color for a Dime (co-ed w/Don Thompson) (1970)
 * The Comic-Book Book (co-ed w/Don Thompson) (1973)
 * Barsoom: Edgar Rice Burroughs and Martian Vision (1976)
 * Writer at Large (1998)
 * The Great American Paperback (2001)
 * The Best of Xero (w/Pat Lupoff) (2005)
 * WRITER: Volume 1 (2010)
 * WRITER: Volume 2 (2010)
 * WRITER: Volume 3 (2016)
 * Where Memory Hides: A Writer's Life (2016)

Articles

 * "What's Left of the Science Fiction Market?," The Writer, May 1956

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Talk:Groove Is in the Heart

Radio stations need to play this song more! --SuperDude 04:42, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Mixes
I'm listening to a CDM titled 'Groove is in the heart' from 1990.

Tracklist is: (comments are mine)

 * Meetings of the Mind mix (with Bootsy & Q-Tip) (seems to the be the same as the music video)
 * Peanutbutter mix (same as the first, but without Bootsy Collins or Q-Tip)
 * Holographic Goatee mix (a slow house mix, hardly recognizable)
 * Rainbow Beard mix (chillout/lo-fi mix, hardly recognizable)

Sleeve notes:
 * Produced and Arranged by Dee-Lite for Sampla-Delic Productions.
 * Recording and Mixing Enginner: Mike 'Tweekin' Rogers at D.N.D.
 * Additional Enginner: Bob Power at Calliope
 * Dubbed by Tom Steele and Rick Essig at Frankford/Wayne Mastering Labs, 1697 Broadway, NYC 10019
 * Original version from the forthcoming album 'World Clique'
 * Executive Producer and Hooker Upper: Bill Coleman

I agree, radio stations do need to play this song more! 202.89.153.166 08:52, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Samples used
Some claimed that "Jam on the Groove" by Ralph MacDonald is in GIITH (Groove is in the heart). I'm doubtful. If the claim is referring to the cowbell heard at the end of JOTG (Jam on the Groove) and heard at the first break (1:30) of GIITH, I think it's wrong : GIITH's cowbell is different. It "rings" more. I don't think it's the cowbell from burch's "get up" either. What do you think ? --Fenring (talk) 19:24, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

 * What, technically, defines a "sample"? While the bass line is definitely from Herbie Hancock's "Bring Down the Birds," I don't believe it was lifted from that recording: I believe Bootsie is playing it on the record. Is this sampling, or simply an homage? —xanderer (talk) 19:16, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Can anyone explain this line
"infamous breakdown featuring a slide whistle." Why was it infamous? Was there something controversial about it?

-It's just poor writing/word salad.

Duration
I've changed the duration to 4:10 even though no version exists of that duration because a version I have, which is without the 32-second rap or the 6-second ending, is 3:32 - which, according to 202.89.153.166, seems to be a "peanutbutter mix" - whilst a version I have with both of those is 3:54 (which is the usual version) and, having listened to it, it is painfully obvious that cuts have been made about 3:00 in to the regular version, so I've changed the duration from 3:29 to 4:10 to take into account the cuts that have been made. Thank you.--79.68.222.135 (talk) 22:37, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Re-Entry in chart
It has re-entered the UK Dance chart and is currently at #24. Does anyone know why? http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/dancesingles Sweetie candykim (talk) 13:07, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

What is this line from?
What is the first line from? AmericanLeMans (talk) 16:47, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Tina Turner on trambouline?
A tweet from Lady Miss Kier suggests that Turner did not play the tramboline used for the song. As the source didn't only states the supposed fact as trivia and I could find nothing else about it from a cursory search, I removed the tidbit.

"Yaica" by a Russian pop-group Diskoteka Avariya
I recently reverted this addition a number of times, pending discussion here. But the IP editor was reluctant to start any discussion. The band is itself notable. The latter source here, which is a secondary one, may be sufficient to support inclusion. According to GoogleTranslate it says:
 * "Disco Crash in 2001 released the song "Eggs", which absorbed material from 3 well-known songs at once: "Mowing Yas Stable" performed by the Belarusian collective Pesnyary (1971), "Eggs" performed by DJ Nike (1994) and the hit "Groove Is In The Heart" by Deee-Lite (1990)."

But I am unable to determine if that source is WP:RS. The similarity of the two songs is self-evident, however, from the primary source (the YouTube video). Any views? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:48, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Inclusion of new samples
I recently found a sample in Groove is in the Heart (Roy Ayers - Love at 0:07 and 0:08) and so I was wondering whether I should include it here or not. Stupid question, I know, but any help would be thankful. Arfan Eka Diandra (talk) 11:45, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

 * See WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Just because something is true doesn't mean that it is important. Wikipedia is supposed to represent the important points of a topic as published by WP:SECONDARY reliable sources. If secondary sources talk about how a sample was used in the song, then the importance of that fact is increased.
 * Websites that collect samples (whosampledwho.com) are generally not allowed on Wikpedia because of WP:USERG.
 * Also, there is the hard policy of WP:No original research, which means that Wikipedia users listening for samples in songs and documenting them is not allowed. Binksternet (talk) 15:20, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Ned is wrong: Bootsy did not play bass on this record
Ned Raggett probably said what is written here, but he was wrong about Bootsy playing the base. I don't want to edit a quote, nor remove it, but it bothers me. Maybe that quote should be removed. Martijn Lievaart (talk) 21:07, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

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Blaise Pascal
I am interested in eventually placing this article on FAC. It feels fairly comprehensive at this point, but I am looking to improve it in any way possible. Thank you in advance for your help. Christopher Parham (talk) 04:43, 2005 July 25 (UTC)

 * The article looks really good, you may want to include Infobox Biography in the lead, like that on William Butler Yeats and many other featured biographies. Does the article need a legacy section like many other biographies have describing his impact on other people in his field and on society more generally?--nixie 04:58, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Added the infobox (good idea), will put together a legacy section later today -- should be no problem. Christopher Parham (talk) 17:25, 2005 July 25 (UTC)
 * It looks good, and seems to meet most FA criteria. The last works and death section seems a bit too short, and could use more content. I also question the need for the stamp image. It is an unfree image that contains the exact same portrait that is in the introduction. If another image is needed there are other contemporary portraits that are in the public domain. - SimonP 13:04, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * I've replaced the stamp image with another image of Pascal, though I'm unable to provide more caption information than is available at Commons. I've also expanded the death section with more info on speculation about what exactly his illness was. Christopher Parham (talk) 17:25, 2005 July 25 (UTC)


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 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. – ABCD✉ 23:54, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Ship of foolz
Non-notable posse. Gazpacho 04:44, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * What... the... hell. Google hits advance the case of non notability.  Delete CanadianCaesar 04:47, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Google is not the end-all-be-all of popularity -- Keep (vote by User:141.158.97.121)
 * Delete. Just a group of guys. I've belonged to several groups of guys, but most of the time we didn't give ourselves names. Oh, also delete Mad merv. And I'll cast pre-deletion votes for "Zipper",	"Hodge", "Rordge", "Special Agent Alonzo Moseley" and "Shorty McNostril", (and the others) should their pages appear. -R. fiend 04:56, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete the person who created the article is voting more than once to keep it and also its non notable and Mad Merv was deleted in february of last year.Jobe6 05:22, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Not Notable and largely gibberish.Hamster Sandwich 05:28, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Crush with postmodern deconstructivists, this is... um... yeah. Sounds like a fun enough group, but not here. :) GarrettTalk 11:22, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Loze the ship of foolz. WTF, mate? --Blu Aardvark | (talk) 11:24, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. BTW, what's a pleasure group of nihili-anarchists do, anyway? humblefool®
 * Drink beer? Watch porn flicks? I don't know... those two are probably spot-on though. :) GarrettTalk 14:55, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * A group of guys seeking pleasure together sounds pretty obvious, but I might be misreading this.
 * Delete nn, just some guys. -- Etacar11   23:31, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Atari2600tim 01:19, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn foolz. JamesBurns 07:49, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

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