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Re: Audioscrobbler
Hi, I took a series of screenshots of the webpage, using the printscreen button. Fortunately it was easy to align the screenshots, due to the layout of the webpage. It is probably more time consuming for other webpages. I hope this is helpful. SimonMayer 22:02, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

 * ah right, fair enough. thought you might have some special app to do it for you ;) thanks anyway :) --MilkMiruku 16:51, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Last.fm
You've been making lots of edits, which I mainly have no problem with, but you really should be adding a comment to explain what you changed and, if there might be a question, why. If I see no reasoning for a change, I may just revert it because it didn't seem to have a good basis. If you say why, I at least can consider that and, even if I change further or revert, I can respond to it with my own edit comment. --Dhartung | Talk 22:32, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

 * i made the change this evening because i spoke directly with audioscrobbler admin RJ and one of the last.fm devs (who then made the edit to the history section) in the #audioscrobbler irc channel about the paragraph in question and they concured with the version i changed it to, but i apologise for not leaving a reason and will do so in future to avoid confusion :) --MilkMiruku 23:02, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Unnecessary Edit?
I noticed you removed the discography section on Lady Sovereign. I was just wondering why? Ackie00 12:04, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

 * doh, i must not have copied the full text from the previous version when doing the revert on the vandalism. i actually saw afterwards there were no links as well and went and added some ;) i've changed that back now --MilkMiruku 12:11, August 25, 2005 (UTC) :)

Re: Noize
Hi. In my experience, noise musicians don't use the term "noize", and they don't really consider industrial or techno music to be connected with "noise" any more than classical music, or the sound of a washing machine, or your cat being sick is connected with "noise". I think some industrial musician made up the term "power noise" to describe what was basically a kind of hard-ish techno, and hence things got confused. Of course, music is just sound regardless of what you call it, so the approach is probably what defines it. "Noise music" at heart is the most abstract and pure approach to making music with any kind of sound, or abscence thereof, regardless of considerations for dancing, understanding, or putting on a record. What gets played at "technoise" clubs is mostly just "noisy techno", occasionally edging towards more complex and abstract noise. I think the industrial music section already has some stuff on this kind of music, but they need help, because it's a terrible mess and everyone seems to want the definition of industrial to be "bands that I like". Even if that means electro-pop acts like "Skinny Puppy". (Or conversely - 70's experimental music that NEVER gets played at industrial clubs, but they think it makes them cool to call it "real industrial music"). You should help them out!

 * cheers for the info; noize now redirects to power noise --MilkMiruku

Industrial stuff
Just wanted to compliment your work cleaning up the industrial & related genre articles! Good job, man. =) Rynne 18:06, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

 * aww shucks, cheers. i'm hoping that if the 'subgenre' pages get sorted out that it will encourage more people to come along and contribute their knowlege, plus in going through the articles i get have an excuse to google around and research the subjects, something i've been meaning to do for a while now :) --MilkMiruku 09:40, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your support on the Mall Goth article, Ive been defending it from all comers singlehandedly for weeks now and It looks that it may finally pull through.--Pypex 15:05, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

 * np. i gave it a good cleanup too, now it just needs more references re it's usage in the media (and it'll need a photo if it's to become a featured article ;). --MilkMiruku

Electronic music WikiProject
Hi! Welcome to the WikiProject :) There's lots of work to do in the electronic music hierarchy. I'll keep adding updates to the talk page. Please add your own ideas on how to make improvements. Hagbard Celine 12:58, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

 * good to hear this. my main obsession on wikipedia is music genres and i've been cleaning up and expanding articles on the subject for a while now, but it's better to coordinate with others to help ease the workload and cover each others backs :) --MilkMiruku 10:22, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Hello, I have noticed that most of the mess and mistaken ideas regarding electronic music are due to you, among others. These articles lack consistency and logic. I appreciate that you are currently involved with various activities in your university, so, if you are not pretentious as some of youngsters today are, maybe we can still collaborate in order to make the Wiki Music Project something serious. If you are here just for fun, I guess that a blog would be better for you. The site Ishkur project is over quoted in many articles, and its reported as a not serious site, so, why you are quoting it? The music for nightclubs (literally "disco" or dance music) that is being produced in last 8 - 10 years is NOT the most important kind of electronic music. Possibly, some critics would argue that it may not be regarded as electronic music at all. Electronic music is exactly the genre that elsewhere is named Electronic Art music. The definition of electronic music as the music that is played by an electronic device could include virtually everything that is listened today (and that is not a classical music live concert). An exagerately large definition ("inclusive") is no longer a definition (I hope it will seem obvious and "logic" to you). So, I will put again in the article the "merge" notice. The article Electronic music must be deleted, and replaced with the one currently named Electronic art music. I am wondering how long it will take, and how many words I have to type here, in order to make it undoubtely clear that I am right and you are wrong. What is described in Electronic music is merely Techno, that has been renamed and cut into a hundreds of sub-sub-sub-faked genres by youngsters, DJs and some stupid press (not mentioning the mob, becouse their main interest is to sell "pills" at clubs) in order to inflate the "rave culture". Does Wikipedia support the mob? In 10 years none will remember the various DJs that are listened nowadays. K. Stockhausen, P. Schaeffer, B. Eno, Klaus Schulze, Kraftwerk, Tangerine Dream, just to name a few, will never be forgotten. skysurfer 6:00 AM, 28 April 2006

Featured article for December 25th
I noticed you have listed yourself in Category:Atheist Wikipedians. That said, you will probably be interested in my suggested featured article for December 25th: Omnipotence paradox. The other suggestion being supported by others for that date is Christmas, although Raul654 has historically been against featuring articles on the same day as their anniversary/holiday. — BRIAN 0918 • 2005-11-28 08:27

 * cool, i'll give it a check over in the next few days to see if i can help out --MilkMiruku 10:22, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

* Comment: to quote Straw polls
You wrote the following at Talk:Drum and bass
 * Comment: to quote Straw polls; "Wikipedia is not a democracy, and, in general, voting is evil (and stupid). Decisions should be made by consensus decision making rather than a strict majority rule." and "Even if a large number of people vote for one option but some don't, this doesn't mean that that's the "outcome". It means some people are disagreeing, and that has to be addressed.". there's already a on-going debate above re the merge which has still not reached a conclusion, and there are only 4 people actively discussing this atm so the results of a poll wouldn't really have any form of validity even if you were just to class it as an informal survey. this is an issue that should and imo can be resolved using consensus and verifiable sources. is it time to look to Dispute resolution for help? --MilkMiruku 12:46, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Straw polls are allowed. I said it was non-binding. I think your comment was rather unbecoming, and I encourage you to take a less combative approach and simply register your opinion. One love. Themindset 18:03, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

 * then exactly what was the point of the poll? as i said, there arn't enough people contributing to the discussion for the results to be worth anything. also, you can't exactly dictate the way someone replies to an unofficial straw poll. and "one love"? do you think wikipedia is some kind of point scoring game? that's just sad. --MilkMiruku 13:15, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

 * duuuude, you've gotta chill. No need for the passive-aggressiveness. The point of the poll is that the merge question is black-or-white. Either it will happen or it won't. There's no compromise. Therefore, it seems it will happen if the majority of concerned editors deem it so (think of this as a kind of VfD). Yes, voting is not the best way to go about it, but you know what? I don't think you're gonna change your mind, and those who want to merge (who also seem to actually know the most about this genre) are not going to change there's. --- And point scoring? How about this for point scoring: after going to raves and organizing them for 10 years, i can tell you that glowsticking is a fucking git-magnet. One love. Themindset 03:24, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

 * obviously there has to be one of two outcomes, but we need consensus not polls. i believe i owe you an apology re the "One love" thing; i totally took that the wrong way as i associated its use with the point scooring system where 'love' is used to refer to zero points, but that's hardly call for an obviously personal attack from yourself --MilkMiruku 20:48, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

 * The only game that love=0 is tennis, in which case 1 is not a possible score, it starts with 15. One love is a common term in jamaican and (by natural extension) jungle communities. Never for a minute did I suspect that someone affiliated to jungle music would not know this expression. Therefore I felt that you personally attacked me for trying use an expression of peace and understanding (and that you were portraying me as the type to try to "score points" with other users by acting nice). My response was to establish that I'm not such a type. If this was all confusion, I apologize, but it's probably too late to take back my comment. Themindset 21:58, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Jon The Baptist
Usuaully, articles about musical artists that rely on a collection of redlinks for their material's notability are speedy deletes as not asserting notability (see here). Although this one said he had released things on several names, all were redlinks. If you like, I can restore it and take it to AfD, where it was about to be taken when I deleted it. -Splash talk 01:27, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Response: EBM v. Electro-Industrial
Hi MilkMiruku, thanks for asking - in response to User_talk:Reaverdrop - I remember "electro-industrial" being used in the late '80's in the U.S., but I've read Front 242 claiming to have introduced the term "EBM" a few years earlier than that - so I don't have information necessarily placing the introduction of "electro-industrial" at or earlier than the introduction of "EBM". I also have a compilation I picked up around 1990 or so called "Electronic Body Music" which has 242's "Body to Body", Skinny Puppy's "Assimilate", etc., which is the first I heard the term "EBM", after I'd already been familiar with "electro-industrial". Other than that I don't have a reference. On the other hand, I am also actively hostile to genre classification in general - I think being able to be easily identified as fitting into a previously established genre is a strong indicator of loss of artistic or creative value. But the labels surrounding "industrial" have some historical interest, because it is so thoroughly a contradiction - ask a purist and anything after Throbbing Gristle is not really industrial. It's really more of a sequence of influences than any consistent style - which is just how it should be. There, my two cents. - Reaverdrop 02:24, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

 * "to be easily identified as fitting into a previously established genre is a strong indicator of loss of artistic or creative value" it's the artists fault for not being more original. my interest in music genres is both in their history; how different artists and producers influence each other and flock together around a certain sound or style, and educational; i just really like music and not only do i want to indulge in it as much as i can, but i'd also like to be able to reference it using just a word or two without having to resort to trying to name a whole load of artist, producer, band or label names to try and get my thoughts across to another party in simple conversation. cheers for getting back to me on this. i'll have another check for references online and see if anything new turns up that might help. --MilkMiruku 02:28, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

jungle bunnies
cheers for the cleanup... had to rewrite the whole article pretty much (found + included the quotes down the bottom re: jungle d&b being the same thing etc..).

til next time! ;P --210.50.236.183 01:38, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

 * cheers. i've just performed another couple of big cleanups on it. i'm afraid i had to drop a bit of npov text and the quotes (possible copyright issues there) but i've incorperated references and a shiny genre infobox --MilkMiruku 02:17, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

reference removal
ahh. copyright... yea, gotta love that.

I'm not into reverting etc.. so let me know what's going on. Either here or on my talk page.

and be careful not to clean too much, could lose info.

maybe the references could be in some way incorporated in a section devoted to the conflict. It is clearly a relevant part of both Jungle and d&b scenes. (maybe i should go get authorisation to use the references?)

easy --tactik 11:07, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

 * aye, i removed the quote for the time being to make the page as neat asap. don't worry, i'll be working on it more over the next week or so. i'm also going to make a start on ragga jungle which i've been doing research for this morning. --MilkMiruku 12:07, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Wicked! I'll get some old records out... Easy! tactik 07:43, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

editing== ==

I'm just re-writing some of the jungle article... when you added, cleaned bits, there is now repetition and half sentences. Please be careful. tactik 17:34, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Andrew Diey
Hello. I noticed that you are a participant on the WikiProject Electronic music. I have come across this article which may be a candidate for this project. I did not see how to add an article to the project, however. Can you take a look at it and possibly adopt this article to love? Thanks! James084 14:57, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Metal Articles
Hi, I've been visiting Wikipedia for a long time, but I've just created an account. I've visited many metal articles and one thing which is of concern is that a vandal by the username User:Leyasu is at large in Wikiworld and is tampering with established articles. Some of the articles are Classic metal, Gothic metal, Glam metal, etc. Since, he has also reverted edits by you, I am informing you that I have reported that user to the administration. Check out this page - Administrators'_noticeboard/3RR. I've also spoken on your behalf. Since he made some comments in the edit summary. The user thinks everything else is POV and just what he himself edits is correct. Also, he sent me a threatening message, that if I do not stop reverting, he will inform administration. I did his work myself. I wonder, why you're not reverting the edits. So, I request you to give testimony at the concerned arbiter's page. Your help would be very much valuable in keeping vandals at bay

Regards, Gothic Hero 16:45, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Please read this section of the 3RR noticeboard to see the ongoing discussion and proof i have of this users Sockpuppetry and vandalism. Ley Shade 17:51, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Florida breaks
I was random page hopping and landed on Florida breaks. I was going to replace all of the current instances of "florida breaks" with "Florida breaks", but looking through the history shows that you changed them all to the lowercase in a recent edit. Before I go ahead and change them, I wanted to make sure that changing them back would be correct. Is it standard to use a lowercase F when talking about the genre? Otherwise, I think they should probably go back to being capitalized, as Florida is a proper noun. You can respond here, I'll put your talk page on my watchlist. Thanks, Seqsea (talk) 06:35, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

 * yeah, that was a mistake on my part; you're right in saying that Florida should be capitalised. normally a genre name would be all lower case, but there is an exception for styles like Florida breaks and Goa trance. --MilkMiruku 08:26, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

 * No worries. I went ahead and capitalized the word throughout. Take care, Seqsea (talk) 16:50, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Indsutrial Metal
My reason for the revert is simple -- the user who's IP address always begins with "87.122" keeps removing bands to fit his personal musical beliefs and a personal vendetta he has against selected bands. Simply look at the user's edits and you will see what I mean.
 * Enfestid 18:46, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Milkmiruku slowshuttersync1c.jpg
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Save the Game!
Help us track down verifiable sources to bring The Game back! Go to SaveTheGame.org! Bkkbrad 20:05, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

IDM
There's a genre box at the bottom of the IDM page.

Your RfA
I've added a question to your RfA. If you have a minute, I'd appreciate if you would take a look at it. Thanks. JoshuaZ 05:38, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Energy Flash book
Worth checking out the Energy Flash book if you haven't read it? It explains a lot on rave, house, techno and breakbeat hardcore backgrounds. It covers a little on gabba, bouncy techno and happy hardcore (breakbeat) and from what I've read is fairly accurate.

Amazon link

--Revolt 12:41, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I've added a default parameter to the template, which links to Category:Unassessed music genre articles. You can change them to Category:No-Class music genre articles if you wish, but WP Cyclones uses that category to catch mis-typed assessments, so it's a little benefit I recommend for your project. Tito xd (?!? - help us) 01:21, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Beltane
Thanks for creating the article about Beltane Fire Festival - I had been planning on starting it for a while, but not got around to it yet. Its a nice description of the whole procession. The article could really do with more on the history of the festival, about its growth, and what happened in 2003 etc. I'll try and add something on this from what I know, and what I can find out from reliable sources. And the article really needs some photos - I've been looking for some freely licensed pictures, and found a few on flickr that are not bad. Thank you, and happy beltane from an earthpointer this year (we had glowsticks!). Vclaw 02:48, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, the beltane picnic this afternoon was fun, especially when the beastie drummers started playing. And yes, I do know Leila from torchbearing last year. Its a small wikiworld! --Vclaw 01:30, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

SP
I feel that the title of Industrial or Industrial Rock is much more appropriate than Elektro-Industrial for the band, as Elektro conjures up images of bands like Wumpscut and Leaether Strip which have little to anything to do with SP both sonically and physically. The only real connection that SP has with "Elektro" is Bill Leeb, and that was a very brief relationship. In addition, the new SP album can hardly be called "Elektro-Industrial", more of a hard electronic rock. Dr. Ke 19:05, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Pumpin' house
Read what I am saying. There is no such sub-genre as pumpin' house. The word is just a description as in 'bangin' or somesuch. The word itself (like 'funky' house) seems to stem from descriptions of tracks in record shops. You cant describe whether a track is 'pumpin' or not, its ridiculous. The specifics as described on the PH page could apply to more or less any sub-style of house music. Pumpin' house isnt recognised as a sub-style in any significant way - if its on CDs or whatever, its as a descriptive word like 'banging' or 'quality', not as a style...

While I'm here, can you please stop people quoting Ishtak's Guide To Electronic Music as a external source. The site is a piss-take. The creator freely admits to knowing little about dance music and the content is a mixture of guesswork, assumptions, hearsay and complete nonsense. Its tongue-in-cheek at best and shouldnt be taken as gospel. Its no use as a proper reference work and several entries amongst wiki's pages concerning sub-styles of dance music are taken verbatim from Ishtak's guide.

Disco & Electronic Arts?
Hey, I'm what you might consider a very small time musician, mostly in electronica, and I noticed you editted some stuff on the list of music genres page. I was just wondering if you had AIM so we could talk about a few of your changes. For instance, Disco is pretty much a type of house music. I wouldn't have given in it's own section. Also, I have no idea what Electronic Arts Music is, but it's not very prominent I assume. Anyway, I just wanted to mention that. Incase you wanted to see my stuff: http://www.acidplanet.com/artist.asp?songs=329564&T=3788 [NOT A PLUG!]

eyris (celldweller)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Celldweller#Eyris

http://sadchild.cjb.net/celldweller/wikipedia/eyris.jpg

repeated and persistant spamming on 'hardcore techno' page
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=81.77.169.224 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hardcore_techno&action=history

Help. I dont have a wiki account and im not really sure what to do. I saw your name in the discussion for the above page and thought you might be able to help.

The above user keeps on adding a link for (what I assume is) his website/forum and appears to be checking back regularly to re-add it if its deleted. It's verging on the obsessive. Is there a way to prevent this? Thanks in Advance 172.206.216.111 01:25, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Spam Links
I think the website in question www.poundingbeats.com has just as much right to be there as any of the other websites under the Hardcore Techno section.

Considering the www.gabber.org website just seems to consist of a page saying "It Works", I find it rather ironic and strange that you have choosen not to remove that website.

And the other website is a german website by the looks of it on an english language wiki page!

some people will not be told
As you can see above, he's still doing it despite being warned. And of course he thinks it should be there, it's his site!

Reply
Ok I believe I know who you are, and I know full well you have had a grudge against Pounding Beats and its owner for quite sometime.

If I was a spammer I would have spammed many other music genre related pages (Happy Hardcore, DnB etc), but I am not a spammer. I have read the rules and I do not see why I cannot post the link to www.poundingbeats.com on the page and the link is just as valid as any link on that page.

And you talk about my persistance, your entire history on wikipedia only involves removing that link, so do not pretend that you are a helper of wikipedia, like I say I know who you are and you are only doing it out of spite.

read the rules
I dont care if you think you know who I am. Thats not the issue. YOUR entire history consists of adding that site. Mine doesnt consist of removing it because Im on a dynamic IP. Your site (under wikipedia rules) shouldnt be there. And you've been told this repeatedly and yet continue to do it, thus breaking those rules. It's not a matter for debate here or anywhere else. It's as simple as that. Stop adding it or action will be taken to prevent you from doing so, I guarantee it 172.206.57.158 13:46, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

YOU read the rules
Ok for a start what rules am I breaking..... I do not see as I am breaking any rules, maybe you can explain what rules I am breaking, if you cannot then stop bothering me.

Second my link has just as much right to be there as any other link there.

Thirdly "you've been told this repeatedly and yet continue to do it" been told repeated by who? YOU, your not encharge of Wikipedia.

"It's not a matter for debate here or anywhere else" WRONG actually its highly debateable, only you would not see it that way, because you have biased view and opinion against the site.

Anybody with half a brain can just see your biased, for reasons as explained here: -

The www.gabber.org website just seems to consist of a blank page saying "It Works". http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MilkMiruku&action=edit And the other website is a german website on an english language wiki page.

But I do not see you removing those links.

read the rules AGAIN
Which bit of 'Wikipedia is not a mere directory of links nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Inappropriate links include (but are not limited to) links to personal web sites, links to web sites with which you are affiliated, and links that exist to attract visitors to a web site or promote a product' dont you get?. From what I can see your website is all but one of those examples given. How does your website help people understand the subject matter of the page better? What purpose does adding your link serve except as an attempt to entice people to join your website/forum? All I see is a half-dead forum and a few club listings. Regardless of any other subject you bring up, regardless of any other site you refer to, regardless of my bias, the site you are adding should not be there. This is very clear. And if it makes you happy I will delete those other links too which you correctly identified as equally irrelevant. Its strange that instead of removing them yourself, you sit and complain about them. Why didnt you remove them yourself if you didnt think they should be there? I have no problem with that - see? done. Now explain to me by what 'right' your link belongs there when you have been told explictly told by a full-time wiki member that it says in the rules that it shouldn't be? @MilkMiruku - Im sorry about this on your discussion page, I think whats been posted peaks for itself, I'll leave you to take whatever action you feel neccessary 82.42.98.242 18:26, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Fine
Well im happy so long as the other links are removed, cannot have double standards.

But if in future another user finds it helpful and decides to add to the Hardcore Techno I am sure you will not mind. As it will then be 2 (normal people) against 1 (mardy mustard).

"@MilkMiruku - Im sorry about this on your discussion page" So you should be, you dragged it here.

Still do not see why the link cannot be added but I cannot be bothered to justify myself.

"Its strange that instead of removing them yourself, you sit and complain about them"

NO whats really strange is that, you persistantly removed my link but not the other links. I never complained about them, I was just saying if your allowing those sites to be there (which you were), then my site has just as much right to be there.

And whats also strange is that, why have you choosen to target the Hardcore Techno page, and not gone about removing links from Happy Hardcore, DnB, Trance and the rest.

There are websites listed on those pages that have multiple listings under different music genres, but I do not hear you calling them a spammer? Like I say your biased.

Reply
Are you even paying attention to what I said? It doesnt MATTER what I or anyone else do or dont remove on other pages or what my motives for removing anything is. YOUR link should not be on THAT page. Stop trying to use precedent of other pages to defend your spamming. By wikipedia rules it shouldnt be there. And if you see other links that shouldnt be there on other pages, dont come running to me, just remove them yourself. Anyway, what if I am biased, you're still breaking the rules and thats the only things that matters. "Still do not see why the link cannot be added but I cannot be bothered to justify myself." I quote the particular section AGAIN for your benefit: ''Wikipedia is not a mere directory of links nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Inappropriate links include (but are not limited to) links to personal web sites, links to web sites with which you are affiliated, and links that exist to attract visitors to a web site or promote a product''. The reason that note was added to your talk page is because you were in violation of that rule. Thats why its there. Whether you choose not to agree with it or not is not the issue. 82.42.98.242 20:44, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Reply
Well I am not breaking any rules by putting the link there.

Lets see what rules I am breaking: -

Links to personal web sites - No

Links to web sites with which you are affiliated - No

Links that exist to attract visitors to a web site or promote a product - No (Well this one is abit ambigious as all links serve only to attract people to websites)

And what note on my talk page? Which note are you talking about?

FFF (artist)
A tag has been placed on FFF (artist), requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article seems to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable (see the guidelines for notability here). If you can indicate why the subject of this article is notable, you may contest the tagging. To do this, please write  on the top of the page and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself.

Please read the criteria for speedy deletion (specifically, articles #7) and our general biography criteria. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Missvain 04:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Electronic music

 * If you are receiving this message, you are currently listed as a member of WikiProject Electronic music. We need more active members at WikiProject Electronic music.  So please tell your friends who like electronic music and are willing to put in hours writing about it.  If there are any suggestions for features for this Wikiproject I will help out with them and see what I can do.  Please add any projects you are working on to the list - I will gladly help out with them as best I can.  Since the original project founder has been MIA for 9 months or so, I'm declaring myself pseudo-king and cheerleader of this Wikiproject.  Basically, that probably means that I'm just going to do the most work related to this project for now.  Please tell your wiki real-life friends who are interested in electronic music about this wikiproject!  We need active members!  Wickethewok 11:14, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Post-Industrial
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My name is EdisionShimarumy 23:00, 5 February 2007 (UTC).

I had read your article about the cyberpunk, I really love it. I need to know more on the fashion and music department as I am a fashion student, I am currently using cyberpunk as my final year project. I hope that you can really help me. I hope you could give me some information where I can buy those albums, I live in London so can I get them at Camden Town or HMV ? I really need a few web page that will link to the cyberpunk fashion.

Your help is really appreciate, I hope to hear from your early reply

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hallo milk

I'm trying to add references and common sense to this "urban myth" subject, and clean lots of advertising (specifically at the "abroad" section, european promoters) at the article baile funk, and add referenced info on this genre that has lots of influence on the dance scene today.

different from many other music genres that are 30 years old, this one has a special obscure story, pointed by all important medias such as BPM magazine, SPIN and others, as a result from brazilian society (and media) historycal issues, I'm brazilian and agree. I'm also a baile funk researcher, but not a writer, many formulas are new for me, and I just understood the PREVIEW button.

I do work with a label that are NOT in the article, altough some of the necessary and still not many external links are related to it, am I doing any wrong? Can I have the help from experienced guys like you? thankxx if you can help me interest real serious people, this piece now a days is abandonned at crazy promoters hands, I do have information but dont know much about wiki-ways or journalistic texts.

- I AM trying to read all the zillion intra-infos from wikipedia, dont plann to just be asking for help... but it will be really apreciated... Pittigliani 08:28, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

some new people entered the scene organizing it !! Now, looks more like a wiki article, I'll keep slowly adding a few references. Pittigliani 00:10, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

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Construction
HMS Whitshed's keel was laid on 3 June 1918 at the Swan Hunter & Wigham Richardson Ltd. at Wallsend on Tyne. She was launched on 31 January 1919. She was 312 ft overall in length with a beam of 29.5 ft. Her mean draught was 9 ft, and would reach 11.25 ft under full load. She had a displacement of 1,140 tons standard and up to 1,550 full load.

She was propelled by three Yarrow water tube boilers powering Brown-Curtis geared steam turbines developing 27,000 SHP driving two screws for a maximum designed speed of 34 knots. She was oil-fired and had a bunkerage of 320 to 370 tons. This gave a range of between 3500 nautical miles at 15 knots and 900 nautical miles at 32 knots.

She shipped four BL 4.7 in (120-mm) Mk.I guns, mount P Mk.I naval guns in four single centre-line turrets. The turrets were disposed as two forward and two aft in super imposed firing positions. She also carried two QF 2 pdr Mk.II "pom-pom" (40 mm L/39) mounted abeam between funnels. Abaft of the second funnel, she carried six 21-inch Torpedo Tubes in triple mounts on the centre-line.

Inter-War period
HMS Whitshed was commissioned on 11 July 1919 into the Royal Navy with pennant number FA7. She was assigned to the 3rd Destroyer Flotilla in the Atlantic Fleet. In October 1919 she was assigned the pennant number D77 under a simplification of the pennant number system. The Flotilla served in Home waters in the early 1920s. The Flotilla was first assigned to the Mediterranean and in 1926 to the China Station. She was involved in the Nanking Incident in March 1927. When the United States Navy gunboat USS Fulton (PG-49) was heavily damaged by fire while at sea off China on 14 March 1934, Whitshed, her sister ship HMS Wishart (D67), and the merchant ship SS Tsinan came to Fulton's assistance. Wishart and Tsinan took off Fulton's crew, three of whom had suffered minor injuries, and took them to the Royal Navy Dockyard at Hong Kong while Whitshed stood by Fulton until a salvage party could put the fire out. The United States Department of the Navy later passed thanks to British naval authorities for the assistance Wishart and Whitshed provided to Fulton and her crew.

Later in the 1930s, Whitshed was placed in reserve as more modern destroyers came on line.

World War Two
In 1939, HMS Whitshed was reactivated and assigned to the 18th Destroyer Flotilla at Portland for convoy defence in the English Channel and South-West Approaches. On 30 January 1940, in conjunction with the sloop HMS Fowey (L15) and an RAF Sunderland flying boat from No. 228 Squadron, Whitshed sank GS U-55 (1939) in the South-West Approaches whilst escorting convoy OA30G.

In April, she was transferred to the 19th Destroyer Flotilla at Dover to assist with support of operations off the Belgian and Dutch coasts. She took part in the demolition and evacuation of IJmuiden and Amsterdam (Operation XD(A)) in early May 1940. She then carried supplies to Dunkirk and embarked the Irish Guards before assisting in the evacuation of the Hook of Holland (Operation Ordnance) and Ostend in mid-May.

On 22 May, Whitshed escorted ships carrying troops of the 20th Guards Brigade to Boulogne in order to hold the town while evacuation operations took place, with Whitshed carrying anti-tank guns. On her return journey she carried RAF personnel, Prisoners of War and civilians back to England. She returned to Boulogne on 23 May as evacuation operations continued, picking up wounded troops and shelling German forces before being damaged by German bombers, with one killed and 13 wounded. Later that evening, when some air cover was available, Whitshed along with sister ship HMS Vimiera (1917), reentered Boulogne, with each ship embarking over 550 men, directly engaging and destroying several German tanks attacking the harbour in the process. On the 26th she deployed for the evacuation of Allied troops from Dunkirk (Operation Dynamo). At this time her pennant number was changed to I77 for visual signalling purposes. Upon release from Op Dynamo she returned to Harwich and convoy defence, and anti-invasion patrols in the North Sea and English Channel. She was one of the few ships not damaged at Dunkirk.

On 31 July she sustained serious structural damage after detonating a mine off Harwich. HMS Wild Swan (D62) towed her back to Harwich. She was under repair until December.

The year 1941 was one of continuing convoy escort and patrolling of the North Sea and English Channel. In February she escorted Motor Torpedo Boats for mine laying in the North Sea. The operation came under air attack with no casualties or damage.

In February 1942, Whitshed joined the destroyers HMS Mackay (D70) and HMS Walpole (D41) of the 21st Flotilla and HMS Campbell (D60), HMS Worcester (D96) and HMS Vivacious (D36) of the 16th Flotilla. On the 12th, she carried out a torpedo attack on the German battleships GERMAN BATTLESHIP Scharnhorst and GERMAN BATTLESHIP Gneisenau and heavy cruiser GERMAN CRUISER Prinz Eugen, which had broken out of Brest and proceeded via the Dover Straits to Wilhelmshaven in the Channel Dash.

For the remainder of 1942 and most of 1943, Whitshed undertook convoy escort duties and patrolled the North Sea and English Channel. In 1942, her ‘A’ gun was replaced with a twin 6-pounder army gun for engaging E-Boats. In November 1943 she was in action with E-Boats while escorting convoy CW221 off Hastings with two motor gun boats and four motor launches of the Coastal Forces. On 18 April 1944 she was in action again with E-Boats on a mine laying operation in the English Channel.

In June 1944 she joined Escort Group 104 with HMS Montrose (D01), HMS Borage (K120) and HMS Loosestrife and escorted convoy EIL1 comprising 12 Landing Ship Tank (LST) and 24 Landing Craft Tank (LCT) from Southend to the assembly area of the Eastern Task Force. Then she returned to Southend to escort the build-up convoys.

In July she was released from Operation Neptune and resumed mercantile convoy escort and interception patrols engaging E-Boats and submersibles employed in mine laying operations in the North Sea and English Channel through April 1945. After VE-Day she was deployed in re-occupation operations. In June 1945 she was reduced to reserve status.

Disposition
HMS Whitshed was not deployed again operationally and after the end of hostilities she was paid off and reduced to reserve status. The ship was placed on the Disposal List in 1946. She was sold to BISCO in February 1947 for demolition by TJ King. The ship arrived at the breakers yard at Gateshead in April 1948.

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Flag of Tenerife

The flag of Tenerife is a white saltire (or Cross of Burgundy or St Andrew's Cross) over a blue field. The arms of the cross are approximately one fifth the width of the flag and the field is navy blue (azul marino).

Significance
There is no official meaning to justify the colours of the flag, but blue and white colours have been identified with the island of Tenerife for centuries. Traditionally, navy blue has been identified with the sea and the white to the snow-covered peaks of Mount Teide in winter.

Juba II and Ancient Romans referred to Tenerife as Nivaria, derived from the Latin words nix, nivis or nives, meaning snow, in clear reference to the snow-covered peak of the Teide volcano.

The name of Tenerife is derived from the language of the Natives of La Palma. Tene(r) means 'mountain' or 'land' and ife means 'white' or 'bright'.

History
The flag was first adopted as a maritime registry flag of the maritime province of the Canary Islands. It was initially adopted in 1845 by Royal Order and was adopted as the flag of Tenerife by an Order issued on 9 May 1989, with the order appearing in the Boletín Oficial de Canarias on 22 May 1989.

The flag closely resembles the flag of Scotland, the difference being a darker shade of blue. There are two popular traditions on the island of Tenerife trying to explain the resemblance. One is that the flag was adopted as a mark of respect to the bravery of the Scottish sailors in the Battle of Santa Cruz.

An alternative theory is the most influential masters of the island of Tenerife chose a design similar to the Scottish flag belonging to the Masonic Grand Lodge of Scotland and proposed a similar flag for the maritime province of the Canary Islands, which later became the flag of Tenerife.

The blue color of the Tenerife flag is defined as Pantone 280. This specific shade of blue is known to be used by different national flags such as the flag of France; that of the United Kingdom; that of Australia; and that of New Zealand, among others.

Flags with the same origin

 * The flag of the province of Santa Cruz de Tenerife is the same, with the provincial shield in the centre.
 * The flag of Club Deportivo Tenerife is also the same, with the shield of the entity at the centre.
 * The Flag of Canary Islands, has two colours (white and blue) in representation of Tenerife and its province.

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Eroski

Eroski is a Spanish supermarket chain from the Basque Country with nearly 1,000 outlets spread across Spain (excluding franchises). It is run as a worker-consumer hybrid co-operative within the Mondragón Corporation group. The establishments vary in size from the largest hypermarkets, simply named 'Eroski' (of which there are 75 stores, including 40 with petrol stations), down to smaller 'Eroski Center' stores (473, including 2 petrol stations). There are also 219 'Eroski City' outlets and 234 'Eroski Viajes' travel agent centres. The group's total sales floor space is approximately 1500000 m2. The name Eroski is a combination of the Basque words "erosi" (to buy) and "toki" (place).

History
The company was founded in 1969 in the regions of Biscay and Gipuzkoa in Spain as a co-operative between ten supermarkets in the region. Its headquarters are located in Elorrio, Biscay.

Franchises
Aliprox supermarkets are not owned by Eroski, despite having a similar logo. Instead, Aliprox is the brand for franchises. These outlets are independently owned, but still maintain the same product ranges, sales policies and general standard expected throughout the company. There are presently 553 franchised outlets.

Finances
As of mid-2016, Eroski's operating income is 45% higher than in the first semester of the 2015 and kept improving up to 54 million Euros

 * Eroski has 442 new generation shops, 23 hypermarkets and 419 supermarkets, growing by 7% in sales on average
 * Turnover keeps stable at 2,965 million Euros
 * Investments reach 45 million Euros, mainly aimed at shop refurbishment and information systems
 * It reduced its financial debt by 169 million Euros during the first six months of the year
 * Between February and July this year, EROSKI generated 625 new jobs in its owned and franchised shops
 * The parent cooperative EROSKI S. Coop. reached a profit of 8.8 million Euros

Staff

 * In 2004, staff numbers exceeded 30,000 for the first time.
 * Nearly 7,000 new positions have been created in the last four years.

Brand
These names replace the former hierarchy of 'Eroski', 'Maxi', 'Consum' and 'Charter', the latter of which was the name reserved for smaller franchise stores. This rebranding took place during the course of 2003-2004 in an effort to re-focus the company as the many different names confused customers. Indeed, regardless of the name over the door, customers inevitably referred to the shops as 'Eroski', not Maxi or Charter. Under the new name, consumers are referring to the company correctly.

Spain
In 2007, Eroski purchased Caprabo, adding around 500 supermarkets to the chain.

France
Having taken a strong grip over the Spanish mainland, especially in the Basque Country from where the company originates. It is now expanding into France. They have three hypermarkets, eighteen supermarkets and seven petrol stations in the country at this time.

Alongside this, they also own the Forum Sport store chain, 172 perfume shops and six cash and carry outlets.

A merger with the Valencia-based co-operative Consum lasted only a few years. In 2005, each went their own way.

Figures correct as of July 2005.

United Kingdom
As of 2022, Eroski has four stores in Gibraltar.

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Talk:Emotions (Mariah Carey song)

Wrong image cover
This is the cover for the album, Emotions. The single cover is almost a zoom in of the album cover, which is just of her face. I won't remove it, but it needs to be replaced. Check here for proof. Ultimate Star Wars Freak 11:22, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

I didn't realize the same image was being used on the main Mariah page. I just thought someone incorrectly put the album image here instead of the single image. Well, I'll correct the link OmegaWikipedia 13:43, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

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Song Was The Subject of a Lawsuit
In 1991 songwriter Maurice White sued Mariah Carey and C+C Music Factory for plagiarizing The Emotions' song "Best Of My Love" for Mariah's #1 hit "Emotions". Mariah was trying to evoke the groove of the 70's song and C+C Music Factory attempted to come close without actually copying the song. Maurice White felt they had stepped over the line. The lawsuit was settled out of court. 72.130.43.20 (talk) 03:53, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

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So which is it? A terrorist unknown to the authorities or an uncover authority unknown to the terrorists. The press today is definitely presuming the former, but the recent anon suggests the latter. Pcb21| Pete 11:23, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

I've elaborated on cleanskin. I think it is more appropriate that a cleanskin refers to 'someone who does not fit the expected profile', which usually means someone who has not had prior association with a specific activity. 203.102.142.74

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Căile Ferate Române
Article about Romania's state railway carrier. I'm nominating it because I've worked on it, along with some other contributors, in the past week, and I feel that it is very comprehensive and well-formatted with a lot of information. The subject is also interesting, IMHO :) It's gone through peer review over at Peer review/Căile Ferate Române/archive1. Thanks, Ronline 11:23, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Support, great article, lots of information, well structured, a good model for rail transport articles around wikipedia. Should go on the front page.--Xanthar 12:49, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Question: Are the '✓' characters in the first table there on purpose or is it some odd font? I'll need to read fully before supporting or opposing. - Mgm|(talk) 18:06, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * The ✓ character is the Unicode tick character (see Tick (disambiguation). I asked in peer review about it and they said it's fine and it should also be the encouraged way of showing ticks. By the way, are you getting squares instead of ticks? The symbol should be a tick sign. Some browsers come up with a square bullet instead of a tick. Ronline 00:28, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

 Minor object , the lead should summarise the content of the atricle and bullet points in the lead are not necessary and should be turned to prose. Also I'm having problems with the images overlapping the tables, some may need to be moved and or removed.--nixie 23:28, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * What resolution are you viewing at? I've tested on 800x600 and none of the images (in the Locomotives section) overlap... (I'm using Firefox and have also tested in IE) As to summarising the article, should I actually talk about the different classes of passenger service in the lead? They're already summarised in the "lead" of the passenger services section... I've reformed the lead section by cutting out the bullets and adding a sentence about the date of founding. Is there anything else that should go in there? Thanks, Ronline 00:28, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm viewing at higher resolution, my work computer in 1024x768, not sure resolution the monitor at home is at, but in both cases (both with firefox) some of the images in the sections on diesel locomotives and diesel multiple units overlap with the table. The lead is heaps better now.--nixie 00:58, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Its because I'm using the Classic skin, in the default skin in works fine.--nixie 01:30, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * OK! Thanks. Is there anything else that should go in the lead? Ronline 01:56, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Not that I can think of, Support--nixie 03:28, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Support. Some minor issues per Nixie but all around a great article. Briangotts 02:59, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Support. Well done. I've fixed some grammar and links within the prose. slambo 10:52, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Support. Nice 'n tight. :D Phil s 11:49, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * comment The table in #intercity is empty! If it is not filled in, it should be replaced with a list, a map or a schematiics of some sort. Circeus 12:51, July 15, 2005 (UTC) Just noticed that this was answered aearilier. Still, most users won't be able to see them, even if it's the "correct" way to display them.
 * Empty? The rolling stock columns have a tick symbol (✓) to indicate what rolling stock each route uses. Are you having trouble seeing that (User:MacGyverMagic had the same problem too I think)? If yes, then they probably need to be changed to another symbol. Thanks, Ronline 12:56, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, I don't see the need for ticks at all. Why not simply use "yes" or something alike?Circeus 13:04, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * Implemented. The ticks have been replaced with "Yes" while the rest of the spaces are blank (putting "No" would clutter the table too much and would result in a slightly different meaning) 09:26, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

 * My personal preference would be to list the name of the rolling stock within the table, instead of using tick symbols, but I won't let that stand in the way of my support. JYolkowski // talk 21:45, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * The only problem with that would be that some routes have both classic and Desiro rolling stock, and therefore you wouldn't really be able to have just one column titled "Rolling stock" where you would list the rolling stock. To respond to Circeus' concerns, I am changing the ticks to "Yes". i am just wondering what people think... is placing "yes" instead of ✓ [tick symbol] better? Ronline 09:24, 16 July 2005 (UTC)