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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kristopher Kubicki

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The result of the debate was delete. Joyous (talk) 17:16, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

Kristopher Kubicki
Not notable. TheCoffee 05:30, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

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 * Keep. Reputable author with noteable sources; Google search on Kristopher + Kubicki reveals 3400 hits, google search on kris + kubicki yields several hundred more. HackJandy
 * A more meaningful pair of search results: "kris kubicki" yields 54 unique hits, and "kristopher kubicki" yields 63. For comparison, searches for my name in this manner yield 22 unique results, and I've never published anything on the web besides a blog that nobody but my family reads. A и D я 01D  TALK  EMAIL  12:25, July 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. A journalist is journalist, right? User:Jarredwalton
 * Note: The above unsigned votes are from the creator of the article. TheCoffee 06:39, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Not quite true, though I did perform a slight edit of the article. The original author is Kristopher Kubicki. (--Jarred Walton)
 * Incorrect. I am not Kris Kubicki. HackJandy 16:48, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

 * But the article says you work with him, so hardly a third party affirmation. Average Earthman 08:47, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Vanity. -R. fiend 16:06, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete: Non-notable/vanity. --Ragib 07:02, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable, self-professed vanity. A и D я 01D  TALK  EMAIL  12:22, July 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * Incorrect. I am not Kris Kubicki. Not self-professed. HackJandy 16:48, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, even if his website were notable (no clue whether it is or not), there's no sign that he is individually notable. Dcarrano 16:28, July 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * AnandTech is indeed a notable website for computer hardware enthusiasts. A и D я 01D  TALK  EMAIL  16:33, July 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * Sun Microsystems seems to vouch for the author link Anandtech has it's own wikipedia entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.210.104.251 (talk • contribs)
 * Keep. and expand. He also discovered an important vulnerability in xlreader. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.210.104.251 (talk • contribs)
 * Second edit.

 * Keep This was the Beo-tch who raided all those xboxs..  His cunning intelect and suave demeaner demands attention, as well as his unique perspective of life. To delete a soul of this magnatude would be nothing less than ignorance, not to mention a crime against humanity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.167.210.113 (talk • contribs)
 * Second edit.

 * Delete as per comments above. Gamaliel 17:23, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Kristopher is a high-level contributor to the Anandtech website and has done much work in the online community of web journalists/reviewers. He recruited myself along with several others into this business.  Dave_graham
 * Third edit.

Keep. Kris has done a lot of good work and and his knowledege is well above his peers. I could even say that he will be better than. He's well known in the Computer World @ UIC and in many unversities.He's an editor in Anandtech, among the various things he does. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.252.245.183 (talk • contribs)
 * Keep . Microsoft reveals 2,235 entries 212.36.15.14 17:30, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * No, it reveals 184. A и D я 01D  TALK  EMAIL  17:36, July 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * No you are incorrect. That is 184 PAGES. Page 19 of 184 results containing "kristopher kubicki" (0.13 seconds) 144.118.196.165 20:14, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * If that's the case, then where's the link to get to the other 165 pages of results? This is just like getting to the end of the line on Google's search. Microsoft merely phrases this bit of info on its search page awkwardly. There are 184 results. 18 pages of 10 results each plus 1 page of 4 results equals 184. If there were 184 pages of results, that would indicate that there are around 1,840 results, not 2,235. The 2,235 figure is an estimate. A и D я 01D  TALK  EMAIL  21:10, July 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Kris has done a lot of good work and will likely become more famous than he already is.  Then again, maybe we need a Jonathan Rockway page too :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrockway (talk • contribs)
 * Delete. Non-notable and the "support hosiery" isn't helping. - Lucky 6.9 20:49, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete And block these sock puppet voters. --malathion talk 21:40, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. The socks have convinced me. Capitalistroadster 23:10, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn vanity. The socks, the socks! --  Etacar11   23:55, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. NN, and sockpuppet limit has been reached. --Calton | Talk 00:15, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong delete. Vanity, non-notable, defended by obnoxious sock puppets, etc. Binadot 22:44, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete with prejudice. Sockpuppet limit reached and exceeded. --Scimitar parley 18:21, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Albums
You put the album template in the talk page and not in the mainspace. Jobe6 05:33, July 22, 2005 (UTC)

Tarot
I put a comment about Tarot and Kaballah on the Tarot talk-page. Since you responded to my other edit, I'd appreciate your advice. As a newbie, I value others comments... helps me learn how not to screw up. Adistius 00:51, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Wigwag
Hi! Thanks for the message. I'm glad that the article helped you, although I admit in looking back that the term "wigwag" could apply not only to the headlight flasher on emergency vehicles but fishing lures as well! Might be time for a disambiguation page. :) To sign your name and leave a date stamp, the system will do that for you.  Just type four tildes ~ after your comment.  Give a yell anytime!  Best, Lucky 6.9 05:45, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Assault with a deadly weapon
Hi ILFoxtrot, I've added a tag to this article. You seem to have done most of the work. Could you please cite a source to back it up? -MrFizyx 18:17, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I've copied your complete note onto the article's top page and listed your source in the article. -MrFizyx 00:32, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

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Talk:Chatham-Kent

Heart Disease
I removed the line about Chatham-Kent being the Canadian leader for heart disease. I did some research, and although Chatham-Kent has a terribly high instance of heart disease, its not quite the leader.

These are by figures released from the Heart and Stroke foundation that points to Chatham-Kent being a hot spot for coronary artery disease... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.39.173.71 (talk) 17:17, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Stats Canada Numbers http://www.statcan.ca/english/freepub/82-221-XIE/2004002/tables/html/14282_01.htm

Heart and Stroke Foundation Study http://209.5.25.171/Page.asp?PageID=122&ContentID=547&CategoryID=

If you can quote stats to support this comment, feel free to add it back.

Defkkon 22:39, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Well, I hate to burst your bubble(and make poor StatsCan look foolish), but HERE is the truth on heart disease throughout the region: http://www.canada.com/windsorstar/news/story.html?id=012ae196-5d74-4b3b-9173-3e42d0c78859 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fault of bush (talk • contribs).

Interesting sidenote, Heart Disease rate in Chatham is mainly due to the aging population, and not to the health of the population. Not sure if this is article worthy though. (I heard an interview with a medical professional, not sure if you can cite "Heard it on the radio") —Preceding unsigned comment added by Donnyj (talk • contribs) 09:54, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Religion
I noticed this edit which changed the Catholic population of Chatham-Kent from 36% to 46%, and this edit by the same IP, which changed "No religious affiliation" from 12.2% to 2.2%, so I reviewed the StatsCan data. Here are the percentages I get out of a total population of 105,485: I've updated the article with those figures. -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs)  17:48, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Protestant: 50,980 = 48.3%
 * Catholic: 38,125 = 36.1%
 * Other Christian: 2,835 = 2.7%
 * Other religions: 780 = 0.7%
 * No religious affiliation: 12,775 = 12.1%

WRONG Jim. StatsCan(as usual) has their numbers skewed. My local library(which uses CITY data-not gov't manipulated numbers) has the figures I posted, so there! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fault of bush (talk • contribs).

Fair use rationale for Image:Chathamkentcrest.png
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What's in a name
It seems a little odd that there is no mention of where the town's name came from. Obviously this is wild stab in the dark but might it have some link to Chatham, Kent, a naval dockyard town on a tributary of the River Thames? Frankly I'd be very surprised if that was an accident. --LiamE 05:03, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree and I think that this would be correct, however I can't find anything saying this... http://www.chathamkentdirect.info/about_chatham_kent shows some history on Chatham which includes this: "The former city of Chatham began as a naval dockyard in the 1790`s, as it straddles the Thames River." Vtrickzv 04:57, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Speculation and Interpretation in the Article
In my opinion this article seems to contain a fair bit of speculation based on personal interpretations by editors of primary sources, such as census statistics and government reports, as well as anecdotal explanations which appear to be based on the individual observations of a given editor. In my opinion, whole sections of this article are badly in need of rewriting in order to escape some of the more obvious biases going on here. Deconstructhis 22:35, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Move here and you'll see for yourself...  This city is hazardous to your health.. In more ways than one!

 * Whether or not someone actually lives in a community that's the topic of an article has nothing to do with properly referencing the statements that appear in an article about that community. You have chosen to replace the following in the Chatham-Kent article :

"Chatham-Kent also has an extremely high density of restaurants and donut shops; their frequent usage, as well as the sedentary culture of the municipality, form another oft-hypothesized cause for the terrible state of local health."Chatham-Kent is bad because because they have nothing to do there is nothing to do there is some park but they are all the same i live in Chatham-Kent and probably the most fun things are the bowling and the pools but the pools are terrible because the ground either cuts up your feet or they are 3 feet deep.

I count a number of separate assertions in that statement, none of which have any referencing attached to them whatsoever and in fact appear to be based on nothing more than the personal observations of an individual. That part of the article has had a request for a proper citation attached to it for almost three months now, without anyone substantiating what it says. Wikipedia policy stipulates that unsupported assertions like these can be removed immediately, allowing three months for someone to properly reference claims is more than generous in my opinion. If you wish the section to remain in the article please provide a proper citation that demonstrates what's being asserted. Also, terms like "oft-hypothesized" are considered weasel words in Wikipedia articles and are not permitted. These editing issues are not going to just go away, responsible editors of this article are going to continue to do exactly what I'm doing here. If you agree with me that the goal is a properly researched article about Chatham-Kent, rather than a cluster of unsupported personal opinions, I hope you will attempt to see my point. I would appreciate support from other editors who agree with me. Like any community Chatham-Kent has its problems, but it deserves better than allowing its article to simply degrade into a bunch of unsupported claims. Deconstructhis 00:15, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

But you don't live here so how can you know? Look, this city has a population of 43,000. We've got 10 Tim Horton's, Three McDonald's, Two Wendy's, Two KFC's, and umpteen other burger/subs/fast food joints, and there's another one coming with the opening of Boston Pizza this fall. Everywhere you look in this city it's just restaurants, donut shops and overweight/obese people. I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm merely pointing out what I know to be a fact from experience. You don't know what this place is like until you've lived here. Just ask the myriads of people who used to live in Chatham--and left for greener pastures... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.39.173.71 (talk) 05:50, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It dosen't matter what *I* think OR what *you* think. It dosen't even matter where I live or where you live, you're missing the whole point of what I was trying to say. Wikipedia can't be based on unreferenced personal opinions, even if you were the local medical officer of health in Chatham-Kent and you posted personal opinions based on your own observations, it has no place in Wikipedia. The only material that can legitimately be used here is previously published materials from reliable secondary sources that can be referenced by others if they wish to check its reliability. Period. Nothing else belongs on here. I'm sorry if I sound a little harsh, but it gets pretty discouraging sometimes trying to edit these articles and lots of people don't even seem to get exactly what this or any other encyclopedia actually *is*, something they might understand more if they read the policies. This isn't a collection of personal opinions, even of those who happen to have personal knowledge of a given subject, unless previously published sources are provided here, the information is unverifiable and consequently it's *useless* in an encyclopedia. Deconstructhis 06:33, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Deconstructhis, I do agree with you and think that this should be removed from the article unless someone is willing to find a source for the information. To the replier @ 72.39.173.71, these things may be true, but you do still need sources.. What you know, from experience, is exactly what is not wanted in Wikipedia articles. (WP:OR) Vtrickzv 06:28, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Point taken. You want sources, so I added some. Hopefully this silliness can stop now. Although Wikipedia is a great place, it's hardly reliable, but I digress. Opinions differ, and I accept that. Cheers nonetheless.

 * I just had a quick glance, but some things stand out as being more in line with what one would expect from a travel brochure rather than an encyclopaedia, such as:
 * The long, white sandy beaches, the fabulous fishing, convenient water access, hiking trails and conservation areas make Erieau an ideal vacation getaway and a fantastic place to live.

Kid Bugs (talk) 04:44, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Spin
Since I last looked, rather a lot of negatively spun material has been added, mostly by people within the community, and without citations. Why is the glass half empty in Chatham? If you want businesses to locate here and give you jobs, stop talking the community down, and where there is a genuine issue, kindly post a citation to validate the information.

I'm going to edit the article in line with Neutral point of view. Feel free to repost material with citations to support it, but save opinion pieces for the letters page of the Chatham Daily News or letters to the Mayor or council.

69.159.230.251 14:00, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

It's an open secret why business won't locate here. It's called ABC: Anywhere But Chatham... High taxes, too much red tape, an akward downtown, and terrible infrastructure makes bringing any business here a gigantic burden... Anyone with even half a brain knows that, and this is EXACTLY why Chatham-Kent has gone down the tubes. It's not pessimism at all, it's called realism. Reality. Something that people don't like to deal with because it's too unpleasant... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.39.173.71 (talk) 05:43, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

As an employer, I beg to disagree. The one thing we really lack as a location is a fast, frequent rail service to nearby major cities. Three hours to Toronto makes a same-day business trip a bit taxing, though possible. Road and Internet infrastructure is actually pretty good - we have Highway 401 and a 10Gigabit node (Shaw cable, just east of downtown) for those whose business requires lots of bandwidth. From a cost-of-doing-business POV we are very competitive, although I won't deny that the Canadian Dollar's current oil-fueled rocket-ride is eroding this. The "big fixes" in terms of business attraction and retention are a building the sports centre and getting the Capitol Theatre finally open, because while some people argue that those are a waste of money, they are the kind of things that employers and managers look for when they decide where *they* want to live.

69.159.230.251 18:12, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Well I used to work up at the mall for a store(which has since closed), and I know all the inside "dirt" as to why nobody wants to bring any new business, industry, or stores here. I can't get into the specific details(that's an entirely different topic), but I can tell you that the entire mall has been a money loser for several years now. Ivanhoe Cambridge, the "title holder", has placed it up for sale time and time again. Nobody wants it, and I don't blame them. If Sears ever decides to pull out of there, they might as shut the entire place down and bulldoze it, because the land is worth more than the mall itself. Everything is going Northside anyway. Downtown Chatham has been a cesspool ever since the recession of the 90's, and it never fully recovered. And the Capitol Theatre? Give me a break. They might as well give up on that too. It's been what? Over ten years now, and after all the time and money that was pissed away on that thing, we still aren't any closer to it being finished, or having a final completion date. As far as Chatham as a city goes, I have never seen so many unsavoury, shady people in my life. Not everyone is like that, I agree, but yes it would seem as though Chatham does qualify as the welfare capitol of Ontario. Drugs, alcoholism, unwed mothers, crackheads, dropouts, second and third generation "welfare families", a plethora of health problems, and well you get the picture. Is it any wonder why the younger crowd is leaving in droves? I can't say that I blame them. The grass IS greener on the other side. Chatham's prime was over a long time ago. We're becoming a retirement community more than anything. It's London and points East that you want to be...

 * I removed some of the more obvious unsourced statements, including:

According to the Province's Ministry of Community and Social Services, Chatham-Kent has a high percentage of people receiving welfare and disability benefits. Some believe this is mainly due to the general poor health of the community, and the lack of well-paying, steady jobs for those individuals who are able to work.

 * "Some believe" - who? The Mayor?  The Minister of Community and Social Services?  The guy down the street?  These are generally considered weasel words.
 * "High percentage" - compared to what? What's average?  Is it higher?  Significantly higher?
 * "According to the..." - needs to be better sourced, with a link if available.

Also, I checked the August 05 Reader's Digest but couldn't find any reference to Chatham. Please provide a page number before re-adding the reference. Blotto adrift 23:23, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Made a number of changes to the article, including a couple of new categories (also moved around some content on the talk page so it's in chronological order). Does anyone have any objections if the notable persons list is done in alpha order?  There's one name with no birthdate and not everyone of note associated with C-K was actually born there.  Almost all of the content in the miscellaneous section has either been moved or deleted.  Will see what else I can do.  Blotto adrift 02:46, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Famous locals placed in alpha order. Blotto adrift (talk) 19:26, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Adding unsourced material
It was nice to see someone "being bold" and finally cleaning up all the unsourced material in this article. It's good to remember that according to Wikipedia policy technically *any* unsourced material can be removed by any editor on sight. I'm really hoping that the latest revisions can form a core for the article as a whole. It's obviously not right that any negative things about the community be censored out, but in my opinion, it's also not correct to allow large numbers of completely unreferenced points to just sit there and position the community in a negative light simply through innuendo without any supporting documentation through actual citations. If you believe that something is important enough to be in the article in the first place, then surely it can't take months to find an actual reference to back it up. Deconstructhis 19:30, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Recent edits
Message to anon editor - regardless of your opinion on the edits, you need to adhere to WP:Civil. Also, it would look better if you didn't just automatically revert simple things that are standard practice - alphabetical lists, eliminating miscellaneous categories, placing well-known resident listings at the end of the article and deleting mentions of a newspaper that has been out of business for a year. On top of that, the reference to heart disease is still in the article, with the citations you provided. And I used to live in the area, not that that matters. Blotto adrift (talk) 14:50, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

 * 72.39.173.71 If there's a specific objection to content behind what you're doing here, I think the onus is on you to spell it out so that it can be addressed. I'm having a hard time understanding what exactly you're attempting to achieve in choosing to continue to revert the material from its current version. Without justifying what you're doing it's getting increasingly difficult for other editors to determine what your objections in this situation actually are. Thanks Deconstructhis (talk) 03:30, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

More recent edits
I reverted the following passage:

In the last 10 years there has been increasing urban sprawl within some of the larger communities in Chatham-Kent (Chatham and Blenheim in particular), with the development of large, big-box corporate development. The development at the north end of Communication Road in Blenheim, and a large portion of St. Clair Street in Chatham are examples of this phenomenon. Although supplying some jobs to Chatham-Kent, this development has put pressure on the existing (and potential) smaller, independent shops and businesses which also costs jobs to residents.

Numbers from Statistics Canada’s 2001 Census demonstrate that the average number of people without a complete high school education is higher in Chatham-Kent than the province of Ontario. As well, the average earnings of full-time, full-year workers and families are significantly lower in Chatham-Kent than in Ontario as a whole. With and unbalanced industry based heavily in manufacturing, construction, and agriculture, many believe the phenomena of crime, drugs, and health problems are connected to the educational, cultural and industrial constrains of the municipality.

Most of this needs to be sourced. It is true that StatsCan data does indicate that the education levels are lower (it's mentioned elsewhere in the article, although a link citation should be added). Likely true for the income info as well. However, the extrapolation of this into an explanation for assorted social problems should be referenced. Blotto adrift 19:59, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

 * It's the "extrapolation" that's the problem. It's one thing to cite stats from StatsCan data, it's when the personal "interpretation" of that data begins that it becomes problematic in the context of Wikipedia, even if personally I happen to agree with what's being said. If the editor can find a reliable previously published source for what they're submitting, fine, otherwise as far as Wiki policy goes, it's their own opinion and doesn't belong in the encyclopedia. My question is: how many communities can you name whose problems couldn't be attributed to issues associated with poverty and lack of education if you want to look at it that way? Why is Chatham-Kent being singled out in this regard? You could say the same thing about London or Toronto. Deconstructhis 20:14, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Chatham-Kent Socialist Current Blog Link
I'm curious about something concerning the person who posted the link. Would you be in support of someone including a link to, let's say, a blog called the 'Chatham-Kent Neo-Conservative Tribune'? How about treating a blog with a title like that as suitable material for citation purposes in supporting someone's position here on Wikipedia? Deconstructhis (talk) 00:16, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

 * I would be in favour of that.
 * The fact that Wikipedia has a policy against allowing blogs to be posted is classist, as not everyone has the resources to purchase a domain and design a website. Those free domains are often the only resources for independent media to use. It is fine for Quebecor to own so much print media in Chatham-Kent, they are a coporation with ample resources. But for the independent media, whether conservative or socialist, it is an affront to democracy not to allow them (in whatever form they take, whether blog or conventional domain) to be visible on one of the most visited information websites. The trouble with news sources today is that they often have a clear ideological or partisan bias, but are unwilling to advertise it. It's very clandestine and suspect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.42.104.177 (talk) 23:53, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Related to the above....I have some concerns with recent comments added regarding media ownership. I don't necessarily disagree with the general sentiments expressed or with the facts, but I don't think this is really the place to express them.  First off, the newspapers listed aren't the only media available in C-K, newspaper or otherwise.  Second, we have a situation where one city paper and a bunch of small town newspapers found themselves within the boundaries of the same municipality due to amalgamation - the concentration of ownership wouldn't be so pronounced if these papers were listed under the separate communities they serve.  Third, and most importantly, the comments made on media concentration aren't unique to C-K and they are mostly unreferenced with POV (other Wikipedia articles are linked, but not referenced - references are for outside sources - changes have been made).  The comments made belong with references in the wiki articles on media concentration and/or media in general.  Blotto adrift (talk) 21:45, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

 * This entry only deals with "print media," as the heading suggest. Of course there are other media in C-K, and they are listed in other sections. The separate communites are listed in the article (and they have their own Wikipedia entries). Since this is an entry for Chatham-Kent as a whole, it is important to highlight the concentrated, corporate media ownerhsip. Media concentration is not unique to Chatham-Kent, but it is a fact. The links help solidify the adverse affects of this phenomenon.

 * Reputable third-party sources referring to the specific situation in C-K would be required, otherwise it's POV and/or original research. Blotto adrift (talk) 22:31, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Rewrote the section. The individual ownership references were replaced by a single sentence at the bottom and the comments about media concentration were removed.  Blotto adrift (talk) 16:50, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Canada/Ontario project rating
I have moved this article's importance rating to "Mid" to be consistent with most other Ontario cities. PKT (talk) 22:22, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Chatham-Kent, Ontario → Chatham-Kent
I apologize for moving this article without discussion. I think the hyphen is an obvious enough difference to distinguish from the comma in Chatham, Kent, but perhaps consensus holds otherwise, in which case the move should be reversed. –Pomte 20:03, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Not a problem. The Canadian naming convention does suggest that consensus be obtained before the move, but we all sometimes learn of these things after the fact. As for the move, I support it. Chatham-Kent is a unique name, and I don't think there is any need to disambiguate it so as to distinguish it from the disambiguation used for the title of Chatham, Kent -- to fallback on disambiguation so as to avoid confusion with another disambiguated term is to truly descend into the disambiguation circle of hell, in my opinion. The use of a DAB statement at the top of both articles would be more than sufficient in the unlikely event of any confusion. Skeezix1000 (talk) 21:15, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I also support the move here. I just find it odd that for once in Canadian geography we didn't name it a carbon copy of the English one (comma vs dash). I support the use of the double DAB statements on each page (Chatham, Kent already has one). -Royalguard11 (T·R!) 23:33, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, but we did carbon-copy the English on this one, actually. Chatham used to be an independent city within Kent County, perfectly replicating the one in England — a municipal merger during the Mike Harris years is the only reason there's a hyphen in it now. Bearcat (talk) 21:47, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Chatham is still a city. Many things proving it. MASTERBING21 (talk) 13:40, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

 * As the person who originally alerted Pomte to the fact that a consensus should be attained first, I'd just like to state for the record that I'm neutral about the move — if consensus is that dablines are sufficient, then I'm fine with that. But in a case like this it is best to clarify first how people feel about it. Bearcat (talk) 01:03, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Skeezix1000 (talk) 13:56, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Oppose, i.e. move back -- the disambiguator "Ontario" is necessary to distinguish it from Chatham, Kent in England. However, I am pleased to see that this problem is dealt with in a capnote.  Peterkingiron (talk) 00:14, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * See new discussion below. Johnbod (talk) 15:00, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Identity Problem?
I find it interesting that there is no individual wikipedia article for Chatham. There is only one for "Chatham-Kent". These are two seperate things in my opinion. Chatham was/is a city. Chatham-Kent is a Municipality that has a number of small distinct towns inside of it. It seems like there is a focus on the history, economy, education, and other sub-divisions of "Chatham Proper". If this article is going to be on "Chatham-Kent" I propose that future writers attempt to include stories from the smaller communities. It is just a humble suggestion. I would be interested to hear what other people think about this topic? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.39.98.184 (talk) 19:01, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I second this one, however, I think technicalities have us here. I'm not 100% sure how it works, but think all of Chatham-Kent (including Blenheim, Wallaceburg, Tilbury, etc) are included as one big city (as clarified in the first line of the article "city-status"). This makes it odd, because Wallaceburg, and Tilbury et al. have their own pages, whilst Chatham itself is left out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Donnyj (talk • contribs) 10:02, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

 * Chatham can have its own separate article anytime somebody takes the time to write up a properly written, formatted and referenced one. To date, nobody ever has. Bearcat (talk) 16:27, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

There's a stub now; people still do refer to Chatham as a place regularly. Particularlystatic (talk) 17:22, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

And what happened in Chatham between 1792 and 1998? I'm sure there's plenty to talk about. See how much has been provided for Dresden and Thamesville. But don't ask me--I was a Torontonian when I lived in Ontario. --Oldontarian (talk) 18:52, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Media attention
FYI, this article was recently mentioned in the media: 'Looney bin' label deleted; Wikipedia edits entry about C-K. Cla68 (talk) 23:19, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes I put in a RPP earlier today Here. The request was denied because the article hadn't been attacked. Just keep it in mind if there are a lot of attacks following the news report. -- Bp E ps -  t @ lk 00:20, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Requested move
move Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:30, 10 July 2009 (UTC) Chatham-Kent → Chatham-Kent, Ontario — Too similar to Chatham, Kent. see Categories_for_discussion/Log/2009_July_1 - Johnbod (talk) 03:49, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Survey

 * Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with  or  , then sign your comment with  . Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

 * Support as nom. Johnbod (talk) 03:50, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose as unnecessary. "Chatham-Kent" is not the same as "Chatham" which is disambiguated from other Chathams by adding ",Kent". Article titles need to be disambiguated only if they would be otherwise identical, not just similar. It's not all that likely that someone typing in or linking to "Chatham-Kent" would expect to land on the Chatham in Kent, but in any event the appropriate way to handle any possible reader confusion due to similarity of names is by use of hatnotes, which are already on each article (WP:PRECISION). If anything, Chatham, Kent might be moved to simply Chatham, if it's the primary use of that name. Station1 (talk) 05:14, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I am leaning towards Support most users oppose renaming the categories, to avoid confusion. And not to move from Chatham, Kent to Chatham. Steam5 (talk) 05:31, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. (And not to move Chatham, Kent to Chatham, but leave Chatham as a disamb page for the many Chathams around the world.) Occuli (talk) 11:06, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose. There is no reason for the categories to determine the spelling of the article. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 14:49, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Most of the articles in Category:Census divisions of Ontario are in fact disamed in this way, even when their names are unique. Johnbod (talk) 15:06, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Then Manual of Style (Canada-related articles) should be adapted to say this (and should be moved out to be a naming convention). Septentrionalis PMAnderson 16:05, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Only because they haven't all been moved yet, not because there's any requirement for them to stay that way. Bearcat (talk) 17:02, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This proposal is entirely in accord with that page. Note it is "can", not "must". Johnbod (talk) 21:35, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: Pmanderson, this is not being proposed because the categories are all called "C-K, O". If this page is at the right name, then the categories would be moved to suit. It's being proposed after discussion at CFD indicated that the current page name is unsuitable. The discussion may have originated in a discussion about categories, but that's not to say that the proposal is simply to make the page agree with the categories and for no other reason. Grutness...wha?  01:53, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm going to stay neutral on this one, since it was my comments on the category-move discussion that led to this in the first place. But I will offer the input that I was never really too keen on the page move in the first place, because I never really thought that a comma in the British one vs. a hyphen here was sufficient as a disambiguator — but at the same time, I remain unconvinced by the CFR argument that categories pose different disambiguation issues than article titles do. There's never any need for a category and its head article to be named differently from each other: if the category is genuinely ambiguous enough that it can't be renamed to match the article title, that's a suggestion that the article title shouldn't have been moved in the first place, not proof that matching category names to article titles is in any way a flawed practice that requires exceptions. Bearcat (talk) 17:11, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with that, but you will not get agreement to move Birmingham say (as there are dozens of Brummies who will object with vehemence, and similar numbers of Macunians who will support anything which Brummies oppose) whereas one can have a civilised discussion about category names. Occuli (talk) 19:32, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * (ec) The only reason to move the categories is that they are in fine print, and may be confused (although unless some article manages to belong to both cats, the likelihood of confusion is small). This reasoning may or may not be sound; but it does not apply to article names, with their large bold lettering. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 19:34, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Support You don't know what you don't know. I wasn't going to get involed in this but if you are unaware that there are two different places, it might be difficult to distinguish between Chatham-Kent and Chatham, Kent, and then there's Chatham—Kent which hasn't been brought up yet. Now we have two different kinds of dash to deal with! Secondarywaltz (talk) 17:59, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - On the article Chatham—Kent that is just an old Ontario provincial riding located in the former city of Chatham, Ontario from 1967 to 1999 I believe. So as of right now the new provincial riding name is Chatham-Kent—Essex and the new municipality in Ontario is Chatham-Kent, Ontario. Steam5 (talk) 19:02, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Support per Occuli and Johnbod. As Occuli said leave "Chatham" as a disamb page and keep the the article Chatham, Kent to avoid confusion. Steam5 (talk) 18:46, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Support move to add Ontario diambiguator. The difference in name between Chatham-Kent and Chatham, Kent would be too subtle for many casual readers. I'd also support the addition of a disambiguator for the em-dash form, if anyone wanted to bring that up officially. Keep Chatham as a dab page and Chatham, Kent at Chatham, Kent, though. I will note that this proposal has already gained more than twice as many comments as the previous move proposal, which only garnered three responses (and one of them was neutral). Though consensus is never an easy thing to judge on WP, I doubt that three comments in favour overall constitutes a major groundswell of support. Grutness...wha?  01:49, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Support despite the dab-hatnote, the present name is likely to be confued with the town in Kent, England. The suffix "Ontario" is thus highly desirable.  Chatham—Kent refers to an electoral district.  This should be renamed to soemthing like Chatham-Kent (electoral district).  I am not clear what the WP Canadian practice on this is,  the UK equivalent is "Foo (UK Parliamentary Constituency)".  "Chatham" should certainly remain as a disambiguation page.  Peterkingiron (talk) 19:35, 3 July 2009 (UTC)Peterkingiron (talk) 19:30, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The em-dashes in electoral district names weren't chosen by us just as a way to disambiguate electoral district titles from city titles; they're actually part of the proper, legal, official name of the thing. You can read electoral district (Canada) if you need clarification, but the correct title for the electoral district does absolutely, unequivocally require an em-dash, not a hyphen. If you get hung up on the "distinct geographic names" part of the explanation, keep in mind that Chatham and Kent were two distinct geographic names at the time; when they were merged into the single entity of Chatham-Kent, the electoral district became Chatham-Kent—Essex. Bearcat (talk) 20:54, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Even so, Chatham—Kent surely also needs disaming - many of us are notoriously unable to distinguish between em-dashes and hyphens. Johnbod (talk) 21:47, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, but you appeared to be specifically suggesting that the electoral district's article should be moved to a title with a hyphen in it. Bearcat (talk) 02:26, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That was Pk, who I suspect may have been proving my point there! Johnbod (talk) 02:30, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

 * I already made my final comments to the Chatham-Kent, Ontario categories at the CfD. On the CfD I said "I would like to withdraw the nominated categories for renaming". And maybe the title Chatham-Kent, Ontario will be renamed soon from the main article to be matched with the existing categories. Since I made the withdraw from the CfD. Could these categories resulted as a "no consensus" at the CfD? Steam5 (talk) 22:12, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This should probably be closed first. But I think we do have a consensus emerging: change the title here, & then close the Cfd as Keep, as they will then match the title here. No need to do anything further I think - let the closers handle it. Johnbod (talk) 22:21, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Support and fix Chatham—Kent to something that can be easily distinguished regardless. Given there is no "—" on most keyboards most people interchange "-" and "—", so I have no idea how people distinguish between Chatham-Kent and  Chatham—Kent. (I wish they would abolish WP:DASH anyway.) Aubergine (talk) 01:35, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The first part is easy it is by using redirects. Vegaswikian (talk) 16:04, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Any additional comments:

 * Nb discussion from 2007 a couple of sections up, with one recent comment supporting the move now proposed (ok, by Peterk, now repeated in this section). Johnbod (talk) 21:33, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

edit request - The Colored School
Intense (aka non-wiki-based) research on Martin Delany ultimately leads one to Chatham, Ontario, where he was allegedly in exile at "the colored school". Will someone please expand this topic? --mikomango (talk) 18:00, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Requested move 2

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The result of the move request was: moved  Ja Ga  talk 07:38, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Chatham–Kent, Ontario → Chatham–Kent —  ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ  τ ¢  22:43, 16 March 2011 (UTC) Relisted. — G FOLEY   F OUR  — 23:34, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

The above discussion is utterly rediculous. WP:CANSTYLE supports moving this back to Chatham–Kent, and absolutely no guideline or policy supports the current scheme. Similarity to another name is irrelevant, as Chatham-Kent redirects to this article; disambiguation is for article that are disambiguous, not articles with similar titles. The article itself explains where the place is, and that is not infact Chatham, Kent (which would never ever ever ever ever be written as Chatham–Kent). I was bold and made this move but it was reverted because of the 1-2/3 year old discussion above.

I can't even begin to explain the complete and total logical fallacy that the above discussion represents (making the title for this article more ambiguous because another place in the all-important primary-topic-hogging Britain is similarly named is ludicrous). It hurts my head too much. Use a hatnote (there already is one on Chatham, Kent) if you think readers are that bloody stupid; there is absolutely no reason that Chatham–Kent (which again, redirects to here) and Chatham, Kent can't both exist. -  ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ  τ ¢  22:43, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - A hatnote can always be used to avoid any confusion with the British town.  Dough 48  72  23:15, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support per nom and Dough4872, but shouldn't it be at "Chatham-Kent", with a hyphen? That's what the community itself seems to use. I really don't want a massive en-dash debate, but thought I'd raise the issue. Dohn joe (talk) 19:07, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The hyphen makes more sense for navigational purposes. The proper name, however, would be with the dash; the city was created by the merger of Chatham and Kent. -  ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ  τ ¢  19:56, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - I've never understood how disambiguation helps one whit here. If a confused reader ends up at the wrong article, the hatnote will direct them to the right one.  Since Chatham–Kent already (rightfully) redirects here, disambiguation doesn't help at all.  It's disambiguation for the sake of disambiguation, and the applicable naming convention at WP:CANSTYLE does not require disambiguation in this instance.  To assume that readers would be so confused by Chatham–Kent and Chatham, Kent, such that more than a hatnote is required and that we need to abandon our naming conventions, is to assume that our readers are stupid.  --Skeezix1000 (talk) 14:28, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
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Erie Beach is not Fort Erie

 * Erie Beach is not Fort Erie, but it redirects there.
 * And has since 2008.
 * Also, am I the only one who has never heard of Raglan? Kid Bugs (talk) 00:27, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I change the redirect to Chatham-Kent. You could have done that. Secondarywaltz (talk) 15:04, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Firstly, there is an Erie Beach in Fort Erie; just because you're more familiar with the one in Chatham-Kent doesn't mean it's the only one. Raglan, according to the MapArt Ontario Road Atlas, is just outside Shrewsbury — spitting distance, interestingly, from the Erie Beach in C-K. Bearcat (talk) 02:34, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

St. Clair St. image caption
How precise do we want to be on the image caption for St. Clair St? The caption indicates that it's Hwy 40, but where that image is actually taken, it has not become Hwy 40 at that point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MagikDragon (talk • contribs) 00:36, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Farm labour allegations?
Why is this line in here: In the past there have been allegations of low pay and poor living and working conditions for these agricultural labourers.[13] 'El Contrato', a film by The National Film Board of Canada, addresses these issues in depth. The citation goes to an article on Leamington, which, last time I looked, was in Essex, not Chatham-Kent. The NFB film appears to center on Leamington too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MagikDragon (talk • contribs) 01:22, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

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Population
Just a reminder to everybody not to conflate the population of the municipality of Chatham-Kent with the population of the census division of Chatham-Kent. They are not the same thing; the census division consists of Chatham-Kent and the separate First Nations reserve at Moraviantown. The correct population figure for the municipality in the 2016 census is 101,647, not 102,042 — the 102,042 is the census division. I've added a clarification to the article about the difference between the municipality and the census division, including the population figure for the census division — but the population of the census division is not to be conflated with the population of the municipality, because they do not represent the same thing. Bearcat (talk) 20:48, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

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Walloon Lake

Walloon Lake is a glacier-formed lake located in Charlevoix and Emmet counties, just southwestward from the northern tip of the Lower Peninsula of Michigan. It is now home to many vacation homes and cottages. Though the end of the west arm of the lake is less than 1 mi from Lake Michigan, Walloon Lake's surface elevation is over 100 ft higher. The Bear River drains from the east end of the lake in Walloon Lake village, winding east then north down to its outflow into Lake Michigan at the south end of Petoskey.

Ecology
Locals refer to their cottages as being on the "west arm", or the "foot", etc. The lake covers 4270 acre and is primarily fed from groundwater. Its maximum depth is just over 100 ft. Recently, the introduction of the invasive zebra mussel has made the clear waters even clearer. For a few months after the ice melts (usually in April), it is possible to see to the bottom of the lake at depths up to 30 feet.

Current use
Real-estate value has increased rapidly since the 1970s, and many large houses have been built around the lake. There are two currently active camps on the lake: Camp Daggett and Camp Michigania built on the site of the prior Camp Huntington/Sherwood which was purchased in 1962 by the University of Michigan's Alumni Association. Starting around 2010, the area on the foot of the lake began redevelopment. New condominiums were constructed. In the next few years, a restaurant was built, and a retail store was created on the site of the old SI's marine. In 2014 developers broke ground on a new hotel to sit in between the marina and condominiums.

Transportation
Indian Trails provides daily intercity bus service between St. Ignace and East Lansing, Michigan.

Windemere
Located on the north shore of Walloon Lake, Windemere was the childhood summer home of Ernest Hemingway. The house is still owned by the Hemingway family and is home to one of Hemingway's nephews.

The Walloon Lake Inn
Originally named Fern Cottage, the inn was a destination point for many visitors and also served as a docking point for the steamboats that would take the travelers to hotels or to their cottages on the lake. The inn has been renovated over the last thirty years and now serves the community as a fine dining restaurant. The inn also houses a French-style restaurant and a culinary school.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Descontrol

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The result of the debate was userfy/delete. Joyous (talk) 17:20, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

Descontrol
User:Descontrol created this article, on an alleged professional wrestling career. The only support for this is two geocities websites. "The Rabid Luchador," his alleged wrestling name, receives 0 google hits. I call b.s. on it. Delete jglc | t | c 05:34, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Oops. This is what you get when you make VfD entries in the early AM. I meant a vote of userfy all along. jglc | t | c 13:18, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

In my defense I would like to say that I am indeed a legit professional wrestler. I wrestle in the southeast reigion and am on many federation's websites. Both linked sites have photos of myself wrestling. —Descontrol 06:07, 22 July 2005
 * Userfy. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 05:38, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Vanity page. Luchador + wrestler returns 4 google hits by the way. —Tokek 05:43, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * comment My first impression was that you indeed are legit. However that doesn't automatically mean it is appropriate for Wikipedia. —Tokek 16:40, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Userfy. This is content that would be more appropriate on User:Descontrol's user page, rather than in the article namespace. Scott5114 09:17, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Userfy, aspiring wrestlers are not notable. Dcarrano 16:30, July 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn vanity. JamesBurns 04:12, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
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Talk:The Songs All Sound the Same

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Francisco Acuña de Figueroa

Francisco Esteban Acuña de Figueroa (September 3, 1791 – October 6, 1862) was a Uruguayan poet and writer. He was born in Montevideo, on September 3, 1791 and died on October 6, 1862. He was the son of the Treasurer of the Royal Treasury, Jacinto Acuña de Figueroa.

Education and career
Acuña's father sent him to study in Buenos Aires, Argentina. His early education was at the Convent of San Bernardino, and he completed his studies in Buenos Aires at the Royal College of San Carlos, from which returned in 1810, prompted by the invasion of the city, having pursued studies in Arts. He returned to Montevideo, where he wrote poems while working for his father. There was no printing press in Montevideo, so none of his works were published at that time.

He went on to become the author of the words of the national anthems of Uruguay and Paraguay. He did not subscribe to the independence cause, but remained loyal to the colonial governments of Francisco Javier Elío and Gaspar de Vigodet, and after Montevideo fell in 1814, at 25 years old, he was exiled to the Portuguese Court in Rio de Janeiro, where he performed diplomatic functions for Spain. His father, on the other hand, remained in Montevideo, where he was confirmed in office by the new government because of his capacity for the job.

He returned to Montevideo in 1818, after the fall of José Artigas, the city falling under Portuguese rule, under which it would remain. Besides his literary work, he occupied posts such as state treasurer (succeeding his father), a member of the committee on the censorship of theatrical works (in 1846), and director of the Public Library and Museum (1840–1847).

Works
In 1857, Acuña's poems were published in a book, and the national anthem of Uruguay, which dates from 1833, appeared. Acuña also had an extensive literary work, compiled by himself in 1848 and published posthumously in 1890 in 12 volumes under the general title of "Complete Works". It consists of numerous poems, stories, etc. Many of his works have a strong satirical tone.

An anthology of his poems was published in 1965 in the collection of Uruguayan classics by the Artigas Library.

One of his most curious poems is the Salve Multiforme (Multiform Salve), about which the author says: Salve Multiforme has two applications, two different objectives. The first, most essential and specific objective is purely religious, the second has a secular or political application. Under that first aspect it is a tribute of veneration and applause inexhaustible to the divine queen of heaven, it is the prayer of the Salve presented and reproducible in almost infinite ways: so many that many millions of years of continuous and incessant reading would not be enough to complete all possible paraphrases of this more or less diverse prayer, which, according to this method, can be formed. (...) The author has divided the salve into 44 fragments, placed successively in as many columns, numbered from 1 to 44.

Each fragment has, in its own column, 26 paraphrases of itself, or at least similar related words, and combined with any of the 27 fragments of the preceding and subsequent columns, without breaking the sense of the Salve, which always maintains its grammatical syntax, without repeating, in an entire Salve, a fragment already used in it. (...) As a result, therefore, taking at random any fragment from the 1st column, another one from the 2nd, another from the 3rd., etc.., continuing that way up to column 44, a complete paraphrase of the salve will always be formed, perhaps elegant, perhaps weak, but never inappropriate or incoherent in its meaning.

Having, therefore, 27 fragments in the 1st column, freely combined with any of the following 27 and these with the successive column, and so progressively and mutually with the other columns, it is evident that millions upon millions of Salves can be combined and merged, more or less differently, i.e., with more or fewer differences among fragments. On reaching column 44 the word amen is added, which is in the last or supplementary column, to properly end each of the prayers.

Acuña also wrote the lyrics for the national anthem of Paraguay. He died in Montevideo on October 6, 1862.

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Perplex City

Perplex City (wordplay on the term "perplexity") was an alternate reality game (ARG) created by Mind Candy, a London-based developer in 2005. Adrian Hon was the producer, designer and director of the game's first and only season, in which players searched for "The Receda Cube" (also known as "The Cube"), an artifact of spiritual significance to the inhabitants of a fictional metropolis known as "Perplex City" which had great scientific value. In the game, "The Cube" had been stolen and buried somewhere on Earth.

The game offered a cash prize of £100,000 (then approximately USD $200,000) to the person who found The Cube. Andy Darley discovered it in a wooded area located in Northamptonshire, UK, on February 2, 2007.

Clues were hidden in foil puzzle cards sold by Mind Candy. Each card presented a diverse puzzle, and even though they supplied extra story background, it was feasible to join the ARG without obtaining them. Mind Candy announced that the first set of cards for the new game season, called Perplex City Stories, would be released on 1 March 2007. In June 2007, Mind Candy announced that the release of the second season would indefinitely be put on hold.

Gameplay
Perplex City is an alternative reality game whose story unfolds through a series of collectible puzzle cards. Eventually, 256 cards total were released in four waves. The main objective of the game is to search for a cube named "The Receda Cube", a cube that is physically buried somewhere on Earth, whose location is hinted at through the collectible cards. Every collectible card had a scratch panel that hid a unique code that players can use to track their progress in solving the game. Additionally, each card has an individual puzzle that can be solved outside the main objective of the game.

Clues in the card may lead players to websites, blogs, emails, telephone numbers in the real world, and characters in the game "communicated" with players using blogs, such as in the case of Violet and Scarlett Kiteway, daughters of the Master of the Academy, the organization responsible for maintaining the cube. Players are also encouraged to contribute to the in-universe, online newspaper, The Sentinel, where players can communicate with each other and characters in the game to solve the puzzles.

Puzzle cards
Mind Candy marketed a range of puzzle cards as collectibles, which they sold in foil packs. Each foil pack contained six random cards which were selected from a pool of 256 cards. The cards were categorized into sets and further into subsets based on their rarity and difficulty levels. Unlike collectible card games such as Magic: The Gathering or Pokémon, the cards are not designed for competitive player-versus-player "combat." Instead, each card depicts a different puzzle, with the rarer cards also featuring more complex riddles. Cards were marked with unique identifiers, which could then be entered onto the Perplex City website, earning points and a place on a leaderboard. Many cards contained hidden features, such as ultraviolet or heat-sensitive inks, and they covered a broad range of themes, from pop-culture trivia to cryptography and logic brainteasers.

Each card was a member of a four-card set. If all four cards were solved by a player, they received double points for each card in the set.

Notable cards

 * Riemann (S1, Card #238) asks players to prove the Riemann hypothesis. As the solution to Riemann hypothesis is currently unknown, this card is currently unsolved and is the only remaining unsolved card. The Scientific Advisory Board of the Clay Mathematics Institute offers a USD 1 million prize for solving this problem along with others in the Millennium Prize Problems.
 * The Thirteenth Labour (S1, Card #251) asks players to solve a 352 character cipher encrypted with a RC5.64 cipher that was expected to take 30,000 computers working simultaneously for several months to solve at the time of its release. The cipher was cracked by a user Paraboloid13 in February 2010. While the solution was verified as correct, the user declined to share both the answer and the method they used to solve the puzzle.
 * Billion to One (S1, Card #256) features the face of a man with a caption in Japanese that reads 私を見つけなさい, which translates to "Find Me." A hint line for the game gave the further clue, "My name is Satoshi." His image was spread via social networking sites in an attempt to locate and make contact with this person as an experiment in exploring the concept of six degrees of separation. The card was solved in December 2020 when the man in question was found by Tom-Lucas Säger and reported to Laura E. Hall, who ran the website tracking information about the hunt. In an email, Satoshi explained that the original concept had been for him to ask a question of whoever found him. Since he had forgotten the question, the puzzle author Jey Biddulph posted a recording of the spoken question on SoundCloud. It was "Who died after giving birth to flames?" with the answer "Izanami."

Out of print cards
Two cards are no longer in circulation. The cards were excluded from wave-three print runs because they did not fit on the print layout. While these problems have been rectified, Mind Candy has no plans to replace or reprint these cards in the future. They are:
 * Riemann (S1, Card #238) was chosen to be excluded due to the complete inability of the card to be solved for the foreseeable future.
 * Relativity (S1, Card #245) was chosen to be excluded more or less at random, but the decision was likely influenced by the fact that the problem and solution are quite complex.

Plot
Perplex City is a fictional extensive imaginary hub, with an unspecified number of ties to Earth and futuristic attributes that include state-of-the-art mobile technology, neuroenhancing drugs, and kilometer-high skyscrapers. City life in Perplex City possesses a slightly more utopian feature than what is usually found on Earth. Puzzles and intellectual endeavors are distinctive characteristics of Perplex City's culture, which are deeply ingrained. The Academy Games, their foremost competitive occasion, is principally a contest of intellectual capabilities rather than physical strength. Almost, almost every aspect of their culture encompasses both the cryptic and mental dimensions.

According to the game, Perplex City's religion is centered around a mythology of buildings, constructions, and technology, none of which is explicitly theistic. In the plot of the game, The Receda Cube artifact (pronounced [reh-kay-duh]), which the players are made to find, is a revered and consecrated object. It possesses several extraordinary qualities that many people in this fictional world believe to be of supernatural origin.

At the beginning of the game, the cube is stolen from the Perplex City Academy Museum by Violet Kiteway, the daughter of Perplex City Academy Master Sente Kiteway, and taken to Earth. Until the cube is found, she posts cryptic messages hinting at its location under the name "Combed Thunderclap". The Cube Retrieval Team (CRT) is formed to find the artifact. Due to the unavailability of travel to Earth for the Perplex City citizens, Sente Kiteway requests Earth citizens' aid to locate the artifact and offers to share leads or hints he or the CRT may gather.

It has been discovered that another organization known as the Third Power, and a cult that worships a cube, named the Reconstructionists, are also in search of the cube. Whilst the residents of Earth are searching for the Cube on Earth, a group of individuals in Perplex City, specifically Kurt McAllister, as well as Scarlett and Violet, Sente's two daughters, are attempting to uncover more clues within the city and reveal the identity of Combed Thunderclap. The latter three eventually find the laboratory where the cube was created. It is discovered that Sente constructed the Cube, which can be used as both a weapon and a teleporter. The Cube is finally discovered in Northamptonshire, England; by the people of Earth. They also establish that Violet stole the Cube and concealed it on Earth to prevent the Third Power from acquiring it.

ARG features
The puzzle cards are intended as an introduction to the characters and story of Perplex City itself and the deeper mysteries of the cube theft. Clues found on the cards direct players to various websites, blogs, emails, phone calls, and SMS messages originating from Perplex City. These often feature puzzles of their own, whose solutions lead to further puzzles. Frequently, these puzzles require players to cooperate in reaching various goals.

Perplex City ran from late 2004 to early 2007, much longer than the traditional ARG, which typically runs for around 2 months. Some examples of items that were achieved due to its longevity include:

 * Players wrote a book to enable a character to become a "published author" and gain access to relevant archives.
 * A full-length CD of cryptic techno music was released by a Perplexian musician.
 * A banner plane flew across Manchester with a keyword that enabled access to a new area of the game.
 * Sixty players attended an in-game event in search of clues on Clapham Common, only for one of their own to be revealed as a mole and escape in a black helicopter.
 * 220 people participated in the first Perplex City Academy Games in London, a high-tech scavenger hunt across the capital. A month later, a similar event was held in New York.

Board Game
In late 2006, Mind Candy released Perplex City: The Board Game. Players solve anagrams, logic problems, visual puzzles, and trivia questions to collect a set of colored stones. Players can also challenge one another for their collected stones. To win, the last stone must be collected by challenging another player.

The rules insert maintains an in-universe approach to Perplex City, giving background about its puzzle-loving citizens and a fictional history of the board game.

Mind Candy
The Mind Candy cards were first released in select outlets around the world but are increasingly readily available from retailers both online and offline. On September 7, 2006, Mind Candy announced that GameStop was to begin carrying Perplex City cards in 700 stores in the United States. some 682,425 cards have been marked as solved on the Perplex City leaderboard, with 45,215 players registered.

Mind Candy received a round of venture capital worth $3 million from Index Ventures, an investor in Skype and other technology companies.

In June 2007, Mind Candy announced that it would be putting Season 2 of its ARG on hold indefinitely. Mind Candy's focus later moved to the Moshi Monsters franchise, and the Perplex City project was abandoned.

Reception
A reviewer from the online second volume of the gaming magazine Pyramid stated that "the object of the game is, well, that depends. The whole game is incremental. At its simplest, the idea is to solve the puzzle on a card. If you want to become 200,000 very real dollars richer (apparently they can do bank transfers across the dimensional gulf), you need to suck as much information as you can out of as many sources as you can, including the cards, some scattered websites, and even real people (or their cell phones), to unlock where on Earth the Cube has been hidden."

Reviews

 * Pyramid - Season 2

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Sonny Moorman

Cyril "Sonny" Moorman (born 1955) is an American power blues guitarist. His style is sometimes compared to that of the Duane Allman, Jimi Hendrix, Eric Clapton, Lonnie Mack, Gov't Mule, and occasionally Warren Haynes. Moorman's parents owned a nightclub called the "Half-Way Inn" located halfway between Hamilton, Ohio and Middletown, Ohio on Ohio State Route 4 where he was able to watch musicians who played there, such as Lonnie Mack, from an early age. Moorman attended Michigan State University and also graduated from the Musicians Institute in Hollywood. He also owned a music lesson studio in Fairfield, Ohio called Rock School, and now offers guitar lessons out of 3rd Street Music in Hamilton, Ohio. He has been a member of Warren Zevon's touring band and the Tomcats with members of Sly and the Family Stone. One of his signature tunes is his cover of Lonnie Mack's Cincinnati Jail. Moorman sometimes plays a Jamonn Zeiler crafted Acoustic guitar and a 2004 model Gibson Flying V Reissue. On some tunes Sonny plays Slide guitar either upright or laptop. The band has opened for Johnny Winter in 2012.

Former members

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 * Elmer Monk, drums
 * Gus Delao, drums
 * Brian Sergi, drums
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Current members
Moorman currently does solo acoustic performances and he also makes several appearances a week with his band, the Sonny Moorman Group. They are:
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 * Martin Romie, bass guitar

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 * Crossroads Motel
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 * Live as Hell
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Encryption software

Encryption software is software that uses cryptography to prevent unauthorized access to digital information. Cryptography is used to protect digital information on computers as well as the digital information that is sent to other computers over the Internet.

Classification
There are many software products which provide encryption. Software encryption uses a cipher to obscure the content into ciphertext. One way to classify this type of software is the type of cipher used. Ciphers can be divided into two categories: public key ciphers (also known as asymmetric ciphers), and symmetric key ciphers. Encryption software can be based on either public key or symmetric key encryption.

Another way to classify software encryption is to categorize its purpose. Using this approach, software encryption may be classified into software which encrypts "data in transit" and software which encrypts "data at rest". Data in transit generally uses public key ciphers, and data at rest generally uses symmetric key ciphers.

Symmetric key ciphers can be further divided into stream ciphers and block ciphers. Stream ciphers typically encrypt plaintext a bit or byte at a time, and are most commonly used to encrypt real-time communications, such as audio and video information. The key is used to establish the initial state of a keystream generator, and the output of that generator is used to encrypt the plaintext. Block cipher algorithms split the plaintext into fixed-size blocks and encrypt one block at a time. For example, AES processes 16-byte blocks, while its predecessor DES encrypted blocks of eight bytes.

There is also a well-known case where PKI is used for data in transit of data at rest.

Data in transit
Data in transit is data that is being sent over a computer network. When the data is between two endpoints, any confidential information may be vulnerable. The payload (confidential information) can be encrypted to secure its confidentiality, as well as its integrity and validity.

Often, the data in transit is between two entities that do not know each other - such as in the case of visiting a website. As establishing a relationship and securely sharing an encryption key to secure the information that will be exchanged, a set of roles, policies, and procedures to accomplish this has been developed; it is known as the public key infrastructure, or PKI. Once PKI has established a secure connection, a symmetric key can be shared between endpoints. A symmetric key is preferred over the private and public keys as a symmetric cipher is much more efficient (uses fewer CPU cycles) than an asymmetric cipher. There are several methods for encrypting data in transit, such as IPsec, SCP, SFTP, SSH, OpenPGP and HTTPS.

Data at rest
Data at rest refers to data that has been saved to persistent storage. Data at rest is generally encrypted by a symmetric key.

Encryption may be applied at different layers in the storage stack. For example, encryption can be configured at the disk layer, on a subset of a disk called a partition, on a volume, which is a combination of disks or partitions, at the layer of a file system, or within user space applications such as database or other applications that run on the host operating system.

With full disk encryption, the entire disk is encrypted (except for the bits necessary to boot or access the disk when not using an unencrypted boot/preboot partition). As disks can be partitioned into multiple partitions, partition encryption can be used to encrypt individual disk partitions. Volumes, created by combining two or more partitions, can be encrypted using volume encryption. File systems, also composed of one or more partitions, can be encrypted using filesystem-level encryption. Directories are referred to as encrypted when the files within the directory are encrypted. File encryption encrypts a single file. Database encryption acts on the data to be stored, accepting unencrypted information and writing that information to persistent storage only after it has encrypted the data. Device-level encryption, a somewhat vague term that includes encryption-capable tape drives, can be used to offload the encryption tasks from the CPU.

Transit of data at rest
When there is a need to securely transmit data at rest, without the ability to create a secure connection, user space tools have been developed that support this need. These tools rely upon the receiver publishing their public key, and the sender being able to obtain that public key. The sender is then able to create a symmetric key to encrypt the information, and then use the receiver's public key to securely protect the transmission of the information and the symmetric key. This allows secure transmission of information from one party to another.

Performance
The performance of encryption software is measured relative to the speed of the CPU. Thus, cycles per byte (sometimes abbreviated cpb), a unit indicating the number of clock cycles a microprocessor will need per byte of data processed, is the usual unit of measurement. Cycles per byte serve as a partial indicator of real-world performance in cryptographic functions. Applications may offer their own encryption called native encryption, including databases applications such as Microsoft SQL, Oracle, and MongoDB, and commonly rely on direct usage of CPU cycles for performance. This often impacts the desirability of encryption in businesses seeking greater security and ease of satisfying compliance by impacting the speed and scale of how data within organizations through to their partners.

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John Colson (1680 – 20 January 1760) was an English clergyman, mathematician, and the Lucasian Professor of Mathematics at Cambridge University.

Life
John Colson was educated at Lichfield School before becoming an undergraduate at Christ Church, Oxford, though he did not take a degree there. He became a schoolmaster at Sir Joseph Williamson's Mathematical School in Rochester, and was elected Fellow of the Royal Society in 1713. He was Vicar of Chalk, Kent from 1724 to 1740. He relocated to Cambridge and lectured at Sidney Sussex College, Cambridge. From 1739 to 1760, he was Lucasian Professor of Mathematics. He was also Rector of Lockington, Yorkshire.

Works
In 1726 he published his Negativo-Affirmativo Arithmetik advocating a modified decimal system of numeration. It involved "reduction [to] small figures" by "throwing all the large figures $$9, 8, 7, 6$$ out of a given number, and introducing in their room the equivalent small figures $$1\bar{1}, 1\bar{2}, 1\bar{3}, 1\bar{4}$$ respectively".

John Colson translated several of Isaac Newton's works into English, including De Methodis Serierum et Fluxionum in 1736.

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