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Talk:List of soft drinks by country

Popular brands
Sould popular brands be listed in every country they are available? I assume drinks are only listed by country of origin - therefore shouldn't the 6+ varieties of Coke listed under Mexico be removed? The same goes for Pepsi in Norway, etc.? It would be redundant to list "Coke" and "Pepsi" in every country they appear, since that would pretty much be every country. - AKeen 01:32, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I have trimmed the list of these duplicate entries - each soft drink is now only listed in its country of origin - AKeen 23:01, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
 * The country of origin of Fanta and Sprite is Germany (see the respective Wikipedia article), so I corrected it. Mintaru 18:26, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I found this link today, I can not vouch for whether it is correct or not. I am absolutely certain that one of the URL's listed on it is inaccurate/not working. However, it lists some brands which are not listed at wikipedia, and I thought I should post it here. I felt it can provide a starting point for someone who later has time to improve the wikipedia article. You would have to verify each link and find better sources to cite for the drinks listed here. But I hope it is helpful in some way: http://en.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enwiki/1064866 Fallendarling (talk) 00:57, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

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Scope
The list includes items which are outside the scope of what a soft drink is. By definition (American Heritage Dictionary), a soft drink is "A nonalcoholic, flavored, carbonated beverage, usually commercially prepared and sold in bottles or cans" (emphasis added). It does not include apple cider, non-carbonated fruit drinks, fountain drinks, "sour power" - which is a mixer, not a soft drink, or other beverages served from taps.Irish Melkite (talk) 21:01, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

On the same note, the article is schizophrenic in its content. It either needs to be a list of soft drink flavors, soft drink brands (purportedly its scope, according to the descriptive lead-in), or soft drink manufacturers/distributors. Any of those might be doable. Presently, the article makes half-hearted efforts to be all of these, with the result being that it does not do justice to any of them.Irish Melkite (talk) 21:19, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

I deleted the following text which, regardless of the article's scope, is outright incorrect. Although one can find instances of bottlers who have carbonated it, the blanket statement that apple cider is a carbonated beverage in the US is incorrect.

 * Apple cider in the USA, cider is a non-alcoholic carbonated apple-flavoured drinkIrish Melkite (talk) 21:19, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Inconsistancy
Drinks like Red Bull are included in the Austria list yet not under Australia, I'm not even sure if Red Bull IS actually a real soft-drink anyway. There are more discontinued brands under Australia than there are current ones, and my own soft-drinks at home (I am an Australian) aren't even mentioned, Black and Gold, IGA Fury, etc...

Either totally redo the article, or just delete it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ipfreely555 (talk • contribs) 03:17, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

I hope I can help to redo/clean up this article. The main thing I noticed is that the article states a drink will only be included in its country of origin, but Fanta is listed under many countries. At the moment I am too busy, but I will put it on my list of hopeful future projects. Fallendarling (talk) 20:56, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Notability
"Back o' Bourke Cordials" are apparetly 'popular' in northern NSW Australia. That is where I live, and I have personally never encountered one of these in my life, and I do make effort to try new sodas. I think describing it as "popular" and especially one of the sodas as "delicious" is overstepping the objectivity mark - I am removing the word delicious, at least. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.212.148.171 (talk) 09:47, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

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Spanish Mascot help
I'm looking through the list of the ones released in Spanish speaking countries and i'm looking for a little bit of help on locating one that I remember, I remember this one having a cartoon chameleon mascot that was a downloadable screenmate on their website. Does anyone else know about this one or is it just me?

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Zuo Zhuan

The Zuo Zhuan, often translated The Zuo Tradition or The Commentary of Zuo, is an ancient Chinese narrative history that is traditionally regarded as a commentary on the ancient Chinese chronicle Spring and Autumn Annals. It comprises 30 chapters covering a period from 722 to 468BC, and focuses mainly on political, diplomatic, and military affairs from that era.

For many centuries, the Zuo Zhuan was the primary text through which educated Chinese learned their ancient history. The Zuo Zhuan does not simply explain the wording of the Spring and Autumn Annals, but rather expounds upon its historical background with rich and lively accounts of Spring and Autumn period (771–476 BC) history and culture. The Zuo Zhuan is the source of more Chinese sayings and idioms than any other classical work, and its concise, flowing style came to be held as a paragon of elegant Classical Chinese. Its tendency toward third-person narration and portraying characters through direct speech and action became hallmarks of Chinese narrative in general, and its style was imitated by historians, storytellers, and ancient style prose masters for over 2000 years of subsequent Chinese history.

The Zuo Zhuan has long been regarded as "a masterpiece of grand historical narrative", but its early textual history is largely unknown, and the nature of its original composition and authorship have been widely debated. The titular "Zuo" was traditionally believed to refer to Zuo Qiuming—an obscure figure of the 5th century BC described as a blind disciple of Confucius—but there is little actual evidence to support this. Most scholars now generally believe that the Zuo Zhuan was originally an independent work composed during the 4th century BC that was later rearranged as a commentary to the Annals.

Creation
Despite its longstanding status as the paragon of Classical Chinese prose, little is known of the Zuo Zhuan′s creation and early history. Bamboo and silk manuscripts excavated from late Warring States period (c. 300 BC) tombs, combined with analyses of its language, diction, chronological references, and philosophical viewpoints, suggest that the Zuo Zhuan composition was largely complete by 300 BC. However, no pre-Han dynasty (202 BC – AD220) source indicates that the Zuo Zhuan had to that point been organized into any coherent form. No pre-Han dynasty texts directly refer to the Zuo Zhuan as a source, although a few mention its parent text Spring and Autumn Annals. The Zuo Zhuan seems to have had no distinct title of its own during this period, but seems to have simply been called "Annals (Chunqiu)" along with a larger group of similar texts.

In the 3rd century AD, the Chinese scholar Du Yu intercalated the Zuo Zhuan with the Annals so that each Annals entry was followed by the corresponding narrative from the Zuo Zhuan. This became the received format of the Zuo Zhuan that exists today. Some modern scholars believe that the Zuo Zhuan was originally an independent work composed during the latter half of the 4th century BC—though probably incorporating some older material—that was later rearranged as a commentary to the Annals.

Authorship
Sima Qian's 1st century BC Records of the Grand Historian, the first of China's 24 dynastic histories, refers to the Zuo Zhuan as "Zuǒshì chūnqiū" (左氏春秋; "Master Zuo's Spring and Autumn Annals") and attributes it to a man named "Zuo Qiuming" (or possibly "ZuoqiuMing"). According to Sima Qian, Confucius's disciples began disagreeing over their interpretations of the Annals after Confucius's death. Zuo therefore gathered together Confucius's scribal records and used them to compile the Zuo Annals in order to "preserve the true teachings." The "Zuo Qiuming" whom Sima Qian references was traditionally assumed to be the Zuo Qiuming who briefly appears in the Analects of Confucius when Confucius praises him for his moral judgment.

Other than this brief mention, nothing is concretely known of the life or identity of the Zuo Qiuming of the Analects, nor of what connection he might have with the Zuo Zhuan. This traditional assumption that the title's "Master Zuo" refers to the Zuo Qiuming of the Analects is not based on any specific evidence, and was challenged by scholars as early as the 8th century. Some modern scholars have observed that even if the Zuo Qiuming of the Analects is the "Zuo" referenced in the Zuo Zhuan′s title, this attribution is questionable because the Zuo Zhuan describes events from the late Spring and Autumn period (c. 771 –476 BC) that Zuo could not have known.

Alternatively, a number of scholars, beginning in the 18th century, have suggested that the Zuo Zhuan was actually the product of Wu Qi, a military leader who served in the State of Wei and who, according to the Han Feizi, was from a place called. In 1792, the scholar Yao Nai wrote: "The [Zuo Zhuan] did not come from one person.  There were repeated accretions and additions, with those of Wu Qi and his followers being especially numerous...."

Commentary status
In the early 19th century, the Chinese scholar Liu Fenglu (1776–1829) initiated a long, drawn-out controversy when he proposed, by emphasizing certain discrepancies between it and the Annals, that the Zuo Zhuan was not originally a commentary on the Annals. Liu's theory was taken much further by the prominent scholar and reformer Kang Youwei, who argued that Liu Xin did not really find the "ancient script" version of the Zuo Zhuan in the imperial archives, as historical records describe, but actually forged it as a commentary on the Annals. Kang's theory was that Liu Xin—who with his father Liu Xiang, the imperial librarian, was one of the first to have access to the rare documents in the Han dynasty's imperial archives—took the Discourses of the States and forged it into a chronicle-like work to fit the format of the Annals in an attempt to lend credibility to the policies of his master, the usurper Wang Mang.

Kang's theory was supported by several subsequent Chinese scholars in the late 19th century, but was contradicted by many 20th-century studies that examined it from many different perspectives. In the early 1930s, the French Sinologist Henri Maspero performed a detailed textual study of the issue, concluding the Han dynasty forgery theory to be untenable. The Swedish Sinologist Bernhard Karlgren concluded, based on a series of linguistic and philological analyses he carried out in the 1920s, that the Zuo Zhuan is a genuine ancient text "probably to be dated between 468 and 300BC." While Liu's hypothesis that the Zuo Zhuan was not originally an Annals commentary has been generally accepted, Kang's theory of Liu Xin forging the Zuo Zhuan is now considered discredited.

Manuscripts
The oldest surviving Zuo Zhuan manuscripts are six fragments that were discovered among the Dunhuang manuscripts in the early 20th century by the French Sinologist Paul Pelliot and are now held at the Bibliothèque Nationale de France. Four of the fragments date to the Six Dynasties period (3rd to 6th centuries), while the other two date to the early Tang dynasty (7th century). The oldest known complete Zuo Zhuan manuscript is the "ancient manuscript scroll" preserved at the Kanazawa Bunko Museum in Yokohama, Japan.

Content
The Zuo Zhuan recounts the major political, military, and social events of the Spring and Autumn period from the perspective of the State of Lu. The book is famous "for its dramatic power and realistic details". It contains a variety of tense and dramatic episodes: battles and fights, royal assassinations and murder of concubines, deception and intrigue, excesses, citizens' oppression and insurgences, and appearances of ghosts and cosmic portents.

Each Zuo Zhuan chapter begins with the Spring and Autumn Annals (Chunqiu) entry for the year, which is usually terse and brief, followed by the Zuo Zhuan content for that year, which often contains long and detailed narratives. The entries follow the strict chronological format of the Annals, so interrelated episodes and the actions of individual characters are sometimes separated by events that occurred in the intervening years. The following entry, though unusually short, exemplifies the general format of all Zuo Zhuan entries.

"Annals

In the 31st year, in spring, a terrace was built in Lang. In summer, in the 4th month, the Liege of Xue died. A terrace was built at Xue. In the 6th month, the Prince of Qi came to present spoils from the Rong. In autumn, a terrace was built in Qin. In winter, it did not rain.

(Zuo)

In the 31st year, in summer, in the 6th month, the Prince of Qi came here to present spoils from the Rong: this was not in accordance with ritual propriety. In all cases when the princes achieve some merit against the Yi of the four directions, they present these spoils to the king, and the king thereby issues a warning to the Yi. This was not done in the central domains. The princes do not present captives to one another."

Style
Zuo Zhuan narratives have a famously terse and succinct quality that was admired and imitated throughout Chinese history and usually focus either on speeches that illustrate ethical values, or on anecdotes in which the details of the story illuminate specific ethical points. Its narratives are characterized by parataxis, where clauses are juxtaposed with little verbal indication of their causal relationships with each other. On the other hand, the speeches and recorded discourses of the Zuo Zhuan are frequently lively, ornate, and verbally complex.

Themes
The Zuo Zhuan overarching theme is that haughty, evil, and stupid people generally bring disaster upon themselves, while those who are good, wise, and humble are usually justly rewarded. The Confucian principle of "ritual propriety (禮; lǐ) is seen as governing all actions, including war, and to bring bad consequences if transgressed. However, the observance of li is never shown as guaranteeing victory, and the Zuo Zhuan includes many examples of the good and innocent suffering senseless violence.  Much of the Zuo Zhuan′s status as a literary masterpiece stems from its "relentlessly realistic portrayal of a turbulent era marked by violence, political strife, intrigues, and moral laxity".

The narratives of the Zuo Zhuan are highly didactic and are presented in a way that teaches and illustrates moral principles. The German sinologist Martin Kern observed: "Instead of offering authorial judgments or catechistic hermeneutics, the Zuo Zhuan lets its moral lessons unfold within the narrative itself, teaching at once history and historical judgment." Unlike the Histories of Herodotus or the History of the Peloponnesian War of Thucydides, with which it is roughly contemporary, the Zuo Zhuan′s narration always remains in the third person and presents as a dispassionate recorder of facts.

Battles
Several of the Zuo Zhuan′s most famous sections are those dealing with critical historical battles, such as the Battle of Chengpu and the Battle of Bi. The Battle of Chengpu, the first of the Zuo Zhuan′s great battles, took place in the summer of 632 BC at Chengpu (now Juancheng County, Shandong Province) in the State of Wey. On one side were the troops of the powerful State of Chu, from what was then far southern China, led by the Chu prime minister Cheng Dechen. They were opposed by the armies of the State of Jin, led by Chong'er, Duke of Jin, one of the most prominent and well known figures in the Zuo Zhuan. Chu suffered a disastrous defeat in the battle itself, and it resulted in Chong'er being named hegemon (霸; bà) of the various states.

"On the day ji-si the Jin army encamped at [Chengpu]. The Jin commander Xu Chen, who was acting as assistant to the leader of the lower army, prepared to oppose the troops of Chen and Cai.

On the Chu side, Dechen, with the 600 men of the Ruo'ao family, was acting as commander of the central army. "Today, mark my word, Jin will be wiped out!" he said. Dou Yishen was acting as commander of the left wing of the Chu army, and Dou Bo as commander of the right wing.

Xu Chen, having cloaked his horses in tiger skins, led the attack by striking directly at the troops of Chen and Cai. The men of Chen and Cai fled, and the right wing of the Chu army was thus routed.

Hu Mao [the commander of the Jin upper army] hoisted two pennons and began to retreat, while Luan Zhi [the commander of the Jin lower army] had his men drag brushwood over the ground to simulate the dust of a general rout. The Chu forces raced after in pursuit, whereupon Yuan Chen and Xi Chen, leading the duke's own select troops of the central army, fell upon them from either side. Hu Mao and Hu Yan, leading the upper army, turned about and likewise attacked Dou Yishen from either side, thereby routing the left wing of the Chu army.

Thus the Chu army suffered a resounding defeat. Only Dechen, who had kept his troops back and had not attempted to pursue the enemy, as a result managed to escape defeat."

The narrative of the Battle of Chengpu is typical of Zuo Zhuan battle narratives. The description of the battle itself is relatively brief, with most of the narrative being focused on battle preparations, omens and prognostications regarding its outcome, the division of the spoils, and the shifts and defections of the various allied states involved in the conflict. This "official [and] restrained" style, which became typical of Chinese historical writing, is largely due to the ancient Chinese belief that ritual propriety and strategic preparation were more important in determining the outcome of battles than individual valor or bravery.

Succession crises
Several of the most notable passages in the Zuo Zhuan describe succession crises, which seem to have been fairly common in China during the Spring and Autumn period. These crises often involved the "tangled affections" of the various rulers, and are described in a dramatic and vivid manner that gives insight into the lives of China's aristocratic elite during the mid-1st millennium BC. The best known of these stories is that of Duke Zhuang of Zheng, who ruled the State of Zheng from 743 to 701 BC. Duke Zhuang was born "in a manner that startled" his mother (probably breech birth), which caused her to later seek to persuade her husband to name Duke Zhuang's younger brother as the heir apparent instead of him. The story ends with eventual reconciliation between mother and son, thus exemplifying the traditional Chinese virtues of both and, which made it consistently popular with Chinese readers over the centuries.

Moral verdicts
Many Zuo Zhuan anecdotes end with brief moral comments or verdicts that are attributed to either Confucius or an unnamed. The chapter on the Battle of Chengpu contains the following ending comment: "The gentleman remarks: This alliance accorded with good faith. In this campaign, the ruler of Jin [Chong'er] was able to attack through the power of virtue."

These postfaces, which were added later by Confucian scholars, are directed toward those currently in power, reminding them of "the historical precedents and inevitable consequences of their own actions." They speak with the voices of previous ministers, advisers, "old men", and other anonymous figures to remind rulers of historical and moral lessons, and suggest that rulers who heed their advice will succeed, while those who do not will fail.

Fate
Several sections of the Zuo Zhuan demonstrate the traditional Chinese concept of —referring either to an individual's mission in life or their allotted lifespan—and attempt to illustrate how benevolent rulers ought to accept 'fate' selflessly, as in the story of Duke Wen moving the capital of the state of Zhu in 614 BC. "Duke Wen of Zhu divined by turtle shell to determine if he should move his capital to the city of Yi. The historian who conducted the divination replied, "The move will benefit the people but not their ruler." The ruler of Zhu said, "If it benefits the people, it benefits me. Heaven gave birth to the people and set up a ruler in order to benefit them. If the people enjoy the benefit, I am bound to share in it."

Those around the ruler said, "If by taking warning from the divination you can prolong your destiny, why not do so?" The ruler replied, "My destiny lies in nourishing the people. Whether death comes to me early or late is merely a matter of time.  If the people will benefit thereby, then nothing could be more auspicious than to move the capital."

In the end he moved the capital to Yi. In the fifth month Duke Wen of Zhu died.

The noble person remarks: He understood the meaning of destiny."

Influence
The Zuo Zhuan has been recognized as a masterpiece of early Chinese prose and "grand historical narrative" for many centuries. It has had an immense influence on Chinese literature and historiography for nearly 2000 years, and was the primary text by which historical Chinese readers gained an understanding of China's ancient history. It enjoyed high status and esteem throughout Chinese history because of its great literary quality, and was often read and memorized because of its role as the preeminent commentary on the Annals, which nearly all Chinese scholars traditionally ascribed to Confucius. Many Chinese scholars believed that the terse, succinct entries of the Annals contained cryptic references to Confucius' "profound moral judgments on the events of the past as well as those of his own day and on the relation of human events to those in the natural order", and that the Zuo Zhuan was written to clarify or even "decode" these hidden judgments.

From the Han dynasty (206 BC – AD 220) down to the present day, the Zuo Zhuan has been viewed as a model of correct, elegant, and sophisticated Classical Chinese prose. The Zuo Zhuan′s great influence on the Chinese language is evident from the fact that it is the source of more chengyu than any other work, including the Analects of Confucius. The well-known Qing dynasty student anthology Guwen Guanzhi included 34 passages from the Zuo Zhuan as paragons of Classical Chinese prose, more than any other source. These passages are still part of the Classical Chinese curriculum in mainland China and Taiwan today.

The 400-year period the Zuo Zhuan covers is now known as the Spring and Autumn period, after the Spring and Autumn Annals, but the Zuo Zhuan is the most important source for the period. This era was highly significant in Chinese history, and saw a number of developments in governmental complexity and specialization that preceded China's imperial unification in 221 BC by the First Emperor of Qin. The latter years of this period also saw the appearance of Confucius, who later became the preeminent figure in Chinese cultural history. The Zuo Zhuan is one of the only surviving written sources for the history of the Spring and Autumn period, and is extremely valuable as a rich source of information on the society that Confucius and his disciples lived in and from which the Confucian school of thought developed. It was canonized as one of the Chinese classics in the 1st century AD, and until modern times was one of the cornerstones of traditional education for men in China and the other lands of the Sinosphere such as Japan and Korea.

Translations

 * James Legge (1872), The Ch'un Ts'ew, with the Tso Chuen, The Chinese Classics V, London: Trübner, Part 1 (books 1–8), Part 2 (books 9–12). Revised edition (1893), London: Oxford University Press.
 * Séraphin Couvreur (1914), Tch'ouen Ts'iou et Tso Tchouan, La Chronique de la Principauté de Lou [Chunqiu and Zuo Zhuan, Chronicle of the State of Lu], Ho Kien Fou: Mission Catholique.
 * Teruo Takeuchi 竹内照夫 (1974–75). Shunjū Sashiden 春秋左氏伝 [Chunqiu Zuoshi zhuan]. Zenshaku kanbun taikei 全釈漢文体系 [Fully Interpreted Chinese Literature Series] 4–6.  Tokyo: Shūeisha.
 * Reprinted (1992).
 * Hu Zhihui 胡志挥; Chen Kejiong 陈克炯 (1996). Zuo zhuan 左传. Changsha: Hunan renmin chubanshe. (Contains both English and Mandarin translations)
 * Stephen Durrant; Li Wai-yee; David Schaberg, trans. (2016), Zuo Tradition (Zuozhuan), Seattle: University of Washington Press.

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

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Pioneer Park (stadium)

Pioneer Park is a stadium on the campus of Tusculum University in Tusculum, Tennessee. It is primarily used for baseball as the home field for the college's baseball team, the Tusculum Pioneers. It was built in 2004, and holds 4,000 people. It is also home to the Greeneville Flyboys of the summer collegiate Appalachian League. It was previously home to the Greeneville Reds Minor League Baseball team of the then-Rookie Appalachian League from 2018 to 2020 and the Greeneville Astros from 2004 to 2017.

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Talk:B.Y.O.B. (song)

Meaning
this song means that people in this video are all just robots basically. not robots to the government, but the higer authority or closest powers. and we all becom it. hello wisconsin

delete heavy metal off the genres
there's nothing heavy metal about this song. it's alternative + speed metal...Pilmccartney (talk) 21:43, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * lol what the fuck are you talking about, the WHOLE SONG is heavy metal lol.                    ~Rayvn  01:16, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * yeah sure it sounds SOOOO much like AC/DC or Judas Priest... right... they're like... twins.... right?Pilmccartney (talk) 14:42, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

heavy metal it's not only about being the same as AC/DC or big groups, the song is heavy metal and that's it.

Sample
This page needs to severely expanded upon, most of the pages for singles are hugely over-long. I came here trying to figure out WHAT THE HELL SONG IS BEING SAMPLED, lyrically, in the chorus...  since only one other human being on the internet seems to have heard of it and they don't remember what it's called either...   "Everybody's going to the party to have a real good time" (same  tune, non-metal) was the chorus of an 80's-or-so song about actually partying. ~Rayvn 01:16, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

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Not Thrash Metal
@SpaceHelmetX1Hi, you added "thrash metal" back into the genre but did not explain your reasoning. The source itself simply does not describe it as thrash metal. Please explain your reasoning or provide a better source that DOES describe it as thrash metal if you're going to insist on keeping it there. UlyssesYYZ (talk) 06:42, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

 * But I added a new material. SpaceHelmetX1 (talk) 07:56, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
 * my mistake, I did not see that. Even then, after looking I don't believe the new source justifies "thrash metal". The only mention is from this sentence on the article: "It's essentially a brutal clash between thrash-metal and a dance-music hook." It's not definitive language, if the mention of "dance-music" is not conclusive enough for you to add "Dance music" to the article itself I don't think it's conclusive enough to define it as thrash metal. UlyssesYYZ (talk) 08:16, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
 * "Dance-music" sounds weird. That's why it hasn't been added. The other one is fine. BTW reference only says "dance-music hook". SpaceHelmetX1 (talk) 09:20, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thrash metal is nonsense too btw, at least as a primary genre. Its still primarily alt-metal --FMSky (talk) 15:18, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
 * That's such flimsy reasoning. It sounds weird? Yeah, it does, so does "thrash metal" to me, but if a reliable source calls it that unambiguously and conclusively I cannot protest that beyond my own personal disagreement. You can't just cite it for one thing and not cite it for another. And yeah, it says "dance-music hook", but that's as inconclusive for defining it as dance-music as the whole sentence is with calling it a genre at all. If you really want to keep "thrash metal" in the article, either provide a reason for why it's conclusive or find a better source. UlyssesYYZ (talk) 18:08, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
 * About thrash still being nonsense, well, genres are based on what reliable sources say, not on editor's bias. Ref only says "dance-music hook", what makes the genre not fall into WP:EXPLICITGENRE since it says "hook". If you intend to remove thrash from the infobox you'll need to explain why it doesn't have to be there, 'cause I explained why "dance-music" shouldn't be. There's nothing wrong with Washington Post's ref and if you want to add any other genre to the infobox you'll need to provide a new sourced material. SpaceHelmetX1 (talk) 23:40, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I explicitly stated that it has nothing to do with bias, the sentence was quite clearly about basing it on reliable sources and not bias, I'm not sure how you flipped it to mean the exact opposite. Please explain how the sentence conclusively states it is "thrash metal", I've explained why I think it isn't and you have not. You can't just say there's nothing wrong with the ref, explain why you think that. As per EXPLICITGENRE, it is similar to the bad example "... balances the line between indie pop and electronica ..." on there, it's not simply stating it is "thrash metal" unambiguously. UlyssesYYZ (talk) 04:06, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * User:SpaceHelmetX1 I still argue the "thrash metal" is not unambiguously substantiated by the source provided, if you still wish to keep the page as is I ask that you provide your reasoning since it's been some time since you last replied. UlyssesYYZ (talk) 19:18, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

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William Forsell Kirby

William Forsell Kirby (14 January 1844 – 20 November 1912 ) was an English entomologist and folklorist.

Life
He was born in Leicester. He was the eldest son of Samuel Kirby, who was a banker. He was educated privately, and became interested in butterflies and moths at an early age. The family moved to Brighton, where he became acquainted with Henry Cooke, Frederick Merrifield and J. N. Winter. He published the Manual of European Butterflies in 1862.

In 1867 he became a curator in the Museum of the Royal Dublin Society, and produced a Synonymic Catalogue of Diurnal Lepidoptera (1871; Supplement 1877).

In 1879 Kirby joined the staff of the British Museum (Natural History) as an assistant, after the death of Frederick Smith. He published a number of catalogues, as well as Rhopalocera Exotica (1887–1897) and an Elementary Text-book of Entomology. He also did important work on orthopteroid insects including a three volume Catalogue of all known species (1904, 1906, 1910). He retired in 1909.

Kirby had a wide range of interests, knew many languages and fully translated Finland's national epic, the Kalevala, from Finnish into English. Kirby's translation, which carefully reproduces the Kalevala meter, was a major influence on the writings of J.R.R. Tolkien, who first read it in his teens. Kirby also provided many footnotes to Sir Richard Burton's translation of the Arabian Nights.

A short biography of Kirby, with particular reference to his work on phasmids, was published by P. E. Bragg in 2007.

Evolution
Kirby was an advocate of theistic evolution. In his book Evolution and Natural Theology, he argued that evolution and theism are compatible. He noted that creationism was scientifically untenable and refuted its arguments. He viewed nature as a "vast self-adjusting machine".

Entomology

 * Collaborative works, and other acknowledgements

 * , with index
 * , with index
 * , with index
 * , with index
 * , with index
 * , with index

 * , index and introductions
 * , index and introductions

Literary

 * , translator and editor

 * , compiled and translated from Estonian and German
 * , translator
 * , translator
 * , translator

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TVA Credit Union Ballpark

TVA Credit Union Ballpark is a stadium in Johnson City, Tennessee. It is primarily used for baseball, and is the home field of Johnson City Doughboys in the summer collegiate Appalachian League. It was previously home to the Johnson City Cardinals Minor League Baseball team of the Appalachian League. The field is named "Howard Johnson Field", after a local Johnson City recreation official. It was built in 1956 and holds 3,800 people.

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Geoff Howarth

Geoffrey Philip Howarth (born 29 March 1951) is a former New Zealand cricketer and former captain, who remains the only New Zealand captain to have positive win–loss records in both Test cricket and ODI cricket. He was the third most successful test captain for New Zealand winning 36.7% of games with 11 wins from 30 test matches.

Domestic
Howarth, after finishing school at Auckland Grammar School obtained six week trials at both Surrey and Gloucester in 1969. He took up a contract with Surrey and in his first year playing for the second eleven, he was informed in the last week of the season that he would not be re-engaged. He then scored 126 not out against Glamorgan in the last game of the season. Howarth was offered a full contract in 1973 and achieved the highest score (159) by any Surrey player that season. He was awarded his county cap in 1974.

His best season with Surrey was 1976, when Howarth scored 1554 first class runs and two centuries.

His highest first-class score was 183, for Surrey against Hampshire at The Oval in 1979, "a cultured innings lasting four hours" which helped Surrey to an eight-wicket victory. A specialist batsman, he was occasionally employed as a spin bowler; his best bowling figures were 5 for 32 for Auckland against Central Districts at Auckland in 1973–74.

Howarth played a total of 188 matches for Surrey County Cricket Club in England between 1971 and 1985, and was the first overseas player to captain the club, which he did in 1984. In 1985, he continued as a non playing captain as Surrey used Tony Gray and Sylvester Clarke as their overseas players that season. Howarth described this as a "...frustrating experience... and was disappointed not to have the opportunity to prove my qualities as a captain at Surrey..."

International
Howarth played some Test cricket with his elder brother Hedley, but most of his 47-Test career did not overlap with Hedley's. He played most of his career as a specialist batsman, captaining the team for 30 of those 47 Tests, and although his batting average of only 32 was not stunning, he did make six Test centuries. Four of those came while he was not captaining the side. He scored a century in each innings against England at Auckland in 1978. From 1978 to 1983, Howarth was rated in the top 10 batsmen in the world by the Coopers and Lybrand rating system.

In his debut series as captain, he led the side to their first Test series victory over the West Indies in 1980, when New Zealand won the first Test chasing 104 after being 73 for 8, then drew the second Test thanks to 147 from Howarth, and also survived an evenly fought third Test. He captained New Zealand between 1980 and 1985. New Zealand had a reputation for being hard to beat during this period, especially at home. Of the seven tests they lost under Howarth just one, against Australia in 1982, occurred in New Zealand.

In 1985, Howarth scored 84 over a five-hour period in his final innings in the fourth test against the West Indies at Sabina Park, Kingston. His partnership with Jeff Crowe of 210 runs was impressive given the New Zealand total of 283. He was subsequently dropped from the New Zealand team to play Australia. Howarth, on finding out he had been dropped, described it as "the lowest day of my life. My career had been destroyed. I did not know it was coming".

Ian Smith described Geoff Howarth as "Quite simply the best captain I've played under to date...I always found him approachable and generous...Geoff Howarth had the midas touch. He also came to grips with the ins and outs of the one day game very quickly, perhaps the most important factor in the initial boom and success of the [New Zealand] team in the early eighties".

Coaching and other activities
Howarth became coach for the New Zealand team in the early 1990s and was coach of the ill-fated tour of South Africa in 1994. His contract with New Zealand Cricket was terminated in 1995 with a clause preventing him from "going public" for three years. After that period had expired, he published his autobiography.

Now residing in England, Howarth returned to Wellington in 2012 as ambassador for the World Vintage Cricket Carnival; at that time he was coaching cricket at Haileybury School in Hertfordshire and continued to do so in 2017.

Honours and awards
Howarth was appointed a Member of the Order of the British Empire, for services to cricket, in the 1981 Queen's Birthday Honours. In the 1984 Queen's Birthday Honours, he was promoted to Officer of the Order of the British Empire, also for services to cricket.

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User talk:LarryMac

Welcome! (We can't say that loud/big enough!)

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Welcome as well!
Hello, LarryMac! Welcome to Wikipedia! I noticed your question on Clueless Newbies. To report 3RR violations, go to WP:AN/3RR (Wikipedia:Administrator's Noticeboard for Three-Revert Rule). To report general vandalism, go to WP:VIP (Vandalism In Progress). If something requires immediate action, see WP:AIV (Admin Intervention against Vandalism). In addition, the page WP:3RR also contains some useful information. Speaking of lame edit wars, Lamest_edit_wars_ever should give some laughs. (Bad Jokes and Other Deleted Nonsense (BJAODN) is also pretty funny.) I hope that covers your question! If you have any more inquiries or questions, do not hesistate to contact me (click on the "A note?" link in my signature and edit the page), or ask the Help Desk. Once again, welcome to Wikipedia, and happy wiki-editing! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 04:37, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

On your question about refereces regarding the usage for the term Pipe Dream. I fully agree with you that some authoritative sources give this term only the meaning associated with some of the more pleasant effects of opium use, but I have to say that I and other people too have been using it in the sense of "following a pipe that against all odds gets you where you thought it could get you" for years. http://www.onelook.com/?w=pipe+dream&ls=a lists 14 dictionaries that give it only the meaning of opioid induced delusions of grandeur, but I believe that it has evolved to mean the term I described.

The origin of this term (the dope smoking part) should be included in the article, but terms do evolve. The meaning I attempted my best to portray could stick if it is defined to be a Neologism (which happens in language all the time) --Juxo 19:17, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!
Just wanted to drop a note to say thanks for the help with the hard drives question that I posted on the reference desk. I should be ordering the hard drive as well as my copy of Slackware today. Maybe by the end of the month I'll be editing the wiki from my Linux box! Dismas|(talk) 10:04, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Argh! Cyphers
Tragic as it may seem, I'm stuck on Level 8 (the shame). It seems fairly clear that the plaintext reads "I wonder what the password is", but I get nonsense keys using the vigenere table. Am I missing something really obvious? Skittle 22:24, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

It worked, but it felt like cheating. But if he's using computer encryption, rather than hand encryption, then I suppose we have to too. Thanks for the hand. Skittle 22:35, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes. Beaten by you of course, although I claim it's only because I had to get some sleep :-) Congrats to you. Did you ever work out what 'I want my Gap' was all about? I had all sorts of programming theories, none of which seemed very likely. Skittle 18:22, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh right, that makes sense. I'd even actually tried different number systems earlier, adding up the binary in different ways. It just never occured to me that it was what it was... Skittle 18:40, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Regarding
Where== ==

Well, to anwswer your question, I live in Canada. But since I REALLY need/I guess want this stuff, I will do anything to get this shit. Maybe you could order this stuff for me?

Thanks, once again my email is iooiioioo@hotmail.com; please.

Thanks.

24.70.95.203 06:51, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm not really in the mail-order business; have you tried ebay?

 * Yes I have, thanks, but can't find what I'm looking for!:-P:-D

 * Please, iooiioioo@hotmail.com

 * Thanks

 * 24.70.95.203 22:55, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

RD
The only reason I changed the response is because it seemed to accidentally not illustrate what you wanted (you wanted to show that you could make the symbol appeal smaller, but you didn't actually do that because the baseline font size was already -1). It seems natural to me that you wanted it to be -2, so that it actually illustrated what you were trying to make it illustrate, but I guess I was wrong. Sorry about that, thought I was helping both you and the question-asked out, guess not. --Fastfission 17:20, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

 * OK, won't do it again. It just seemed like it was pretty clear to me what you were trying to do, and that it would have been more clear for me just to fix the one value that you had wrong (a mistake which would be very easy to make, of course), than to complicate things with a lengthy comment about it. I figured since I wasn't really changing the substance of the post it wouldn't matter much if there was a small correction (I honestly didn't even think anyone would really notice). But in any case I understand where you are coming from and won't do it again to any of your posts. --Fastfission 17:45, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

deletion of my Lake Superior question
Hi, I asked a question in the science reference desk. Now it is gone, apparently after you reverted it? Could you explain why, by no means am I a trouble maker but I do like to know what's wrong.

Thanks,

Evilbu 20:37, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Why do you keep deleting a relevant link on Sonicstage?
LarryMac,

I really don't understand why you keep deleting the 42hours.org link.

You seem to have a problem with "original research," yet you don't delete links to Sony web sites.

Are you suggesting that Sony web sites are more objective than 42hours.org?

Please don't delete it again -- the link is extremely relevant to Sonicstage users.

Thanks!

 * Since you didn't leave a signature (and if I'm not mistaken, don't even have an account) I have to reply here. I will delete it as many times as I see it.  Please read the Wikipedia policy WP:NOR.  --LarryMac 15:41, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Why? Are you a Sony employee? Perhaps you're related to a Sony employee? If you're not, there is NO reason whatsoever for your to take this stance. Is Wikipedia about licking the rear-ends of major corporations? What about the agrieved customer? Isn't their web site equally as valid as the corporate web site? Or perhaps you don't really believe in consumer rights?

 * OK yes, you've caught me, I'm actually Sir Howard Stringer. Or maybe I'm a concerned user/editor of Wikipedia who attempts to adhere to the guidelines that the community has set forth.  Since you don't seem to think WP:NOR applies, then how about WP:External Links?  Under "What should be linked to" I point to item 1, which should validate the inclusion of the links to Sony sites.  I also point to item 5, specifically drawing your attention to the word neutral.  I hasten to make clear that item 6 discusses "meaningful" and "relevant;" your site is primarily about your vendetta against Sony, caused by your failure to exercise due diligence while using their software, and making assumptions about its behavior.  I totally agree that the operation of SonicStage was non-intuitive and overly encumbered with attempts at "digital rights management."  Nonetheless, that does not mean that the user's responsibility for learning its idiosyncracies is lessened in any way.  Further down the External Links page, please note the section entitled "Links to avoid", particularly items 1 -- Do not add a link to one's own site.
 * The policies are clear. Your attempts to go against consensus are in violation thereof.  You should also be aware of the "3 Revert Rule" policy.  --LarryMac 17:05, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * After reading the External links page, I think there is plenty of room for the link to be included.
 * 1. "On articles with multiple points of view, a link to prominent sites dedicated to each, with a detailed explanation of each link"
 * 2. "Sites with other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article"
 * I also note that fansites are allowed to be included as links, so why not the opposite of a fansite?
 * This problem we're having is a flaw in the Wikipedia model. In an attempt to be fully objective, Wikipedia forgets that there is NO SUCH THING as full objectivity. The links to Sony websites are not objective, so why are they included?
 * I agree it does say "A website that you own or maintain, even if the guidelines above imply that it should be linked to..."
 * BUT, unless I'm mistaken, the objective of Wikipedia is NOT to promote commercial products. If a product is critically flawed, there is NO better place than the Wiki to say that. A site about a bad experience with a flawed product is equally as valid as a commercial site promoting that product.
 * It is not hurting anyone that the link is included -- if anything, it is offering Sonicstage users advice about a major problem. So why not to include it?
 * "that does not mean that the user's responsibility for learning its idiosyncracies is lessened in any way" -- You clearly know nothing about learning. I suggest you lookup "learn-by-doing" or "learning-by-using." Not everyone has time to read the manual from cover-to-cover, so they use basic techniques of learning (by using & by doing).

 * I submit that you are well beyond the point where you can judge whether your own site is meaninful or relevant.
 * That is a personal attack. You have no way of knowing if my judgment on this matter is flawed or not. As it happens, I get plenty of e-mails expressing support.
 * Whether you like it or not, Wikipedia operates via consensus. There seems to be plenty of consensus on the article's talk page that your content does not warrant inclusion.
 * What consensus? The fact is that about 300 or more people are visiting the site from Wikipedia each month, but only 2 people are consistently removing the link. To me that says consensus supports the link -- people use the link -- that is the proof of validity.
 * You also seem to have deliberately skipped over the first section I pointed out, where it very clearly states "Articles about any organization, person, or other entity should link to their official site, if they have one." This has nothing whatsoever to do with promotion of a specific product.
 * This is the flaw in the Wikipedia model that I am talking about. It seems that there is plenty of room for corporations to promote their products - by inserting a product page (and appropriate links) which will only ever include product details, with no criticism allowed because criticism is not NPOV. If this is the Wikipedia model, it is severely flawed, because no product description is NPOV without criticism.
 * Your description of SonicStage as a "product that is critically flawed" is completely subjective. User error is not a product flaw, no matter how much you want to make it so.  Your argument that there is no other place better than Wikipedia to say so is just completely off the mark.
 * There is a huge amount of material on the Internet to back up my claim. I am not alone in this by any means. Many people have e-mailed me with similar problems. By the way, do you use Sonicstage?
 * This is NOT a site for product reviews; there are hundreds of such sites, feel free to post your link at any or all of them.
 * Perhaps Sonicstage shouldn't have a listing at all?!! If there can't be valid criticism, then Wikipedia is utterly worthless.
 * And since you edited while I was composing this -- your last comment is dangerously close to a personal attack, and that will get you banned. I will take this to the administrators if it becomes necessary.
 * What personal attack?!!! Please don't threaten me. I can also go to the admins and complain about your behavior.

 * Bring it. --LarryMac 00:49, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Cryptic crosswords
Thanks for the feedback! In case you were wondering, "Boil center of the feast (4)" was "(h)eat" (center of the + to feast = to eat), and "Later, you and me topless in turf mix-up (6)" was "future" (u + (m)e in "turf" anag.). I don't know if the u and e are really "in" the anagram, as one of them goes at the end, but it seemed better than "Later, both of you in confused fret", which was my other choice.

I now have a stack of new ones (yeah, I get distracted from my job...), but I won't make you suffer through them.

Well... just three, I promise! How do these sound? Wart mix-up worth a thousand dollars first (6) A thought for me, endless Death (4) To stay sheltered before end of summer, weave twine (6)

Ok, ok... you don't need to answer them. Anyway, thanks for the feedback! Madd4 Max 18:29, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Whew, you're good! Ok, no more. "Wart mix-up worth a thousand dollars first" = (g)rowth (A "G" before "worth" anag.). Thanks for humoring me! Madd4 Max 20:23, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

What do you think about these?
Current: In addition, the episodes were shot in a documentary style, with hand-held cameras to give the feeling that the audience was with the characters, as if they were "found footage".

Proposed: In addition, the episodes were shot with hand-held cameras in a documentary style as if they were "found footage", to give the feeling that the audience was with the characters.

Proposed: In addition, the episodes were shot in a documentary style as if they were "found footage", and with hand-held cameras to give the feeling that the audience was with the characters.

Proposed: In addition, to give the feeling that the audience was with the characters, the episodes were shot in a documentary style with hand-held cameras, as if they were "found footage". Stanselmdoc 18:48, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I like your sentence a lot. It's much clearer and more succinct.Stanselmdoc 19:24, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Haha, no prob. I get frustrated when people use incorrect grammar all the time.  Even more so when it's myself, so I like being corrected. Stanselmdoc 21:07, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Number One
Thanks for remiding me, I'd forgotten about that. Yeah, if you can understand them I'd appreciate a transcription. How can I get hold of that other stuff? And BTW, why can't you give lyrics on the Ref Desk? Black Carrot 04:46, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the lyrics. If I can get hold of the movie again, and fill in the holes, I'll let you know. By other songs, I meant their recordings, and the music video you mentioned. From the way you say it, I suspect they're no longer free, though. Black Carrot 21:49, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Language Reference Desk

 * I'm a little bit confused about what you said in the Language Reference desk, what exactly do you mean? Kyle 18:05, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Re:Language Ref Desk
I was just useing that as an example. I guess I should have typed my question a little more clearly.

"what they're saying goes here,"said (name). or maybe they use an adjective like this below :

"what they're saying goes here," said adjective (name).

now, when we fill this in it might look like my example:

"Lets go home, it's too late," said angry and discouraged Jesica.

For some reason, this didn't sound right to me. To make it sound right I added the after said and before angry.

I wanted to know if this was correct, or they're both correct, or they're both wrong. -thanks Kyle 19:19, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Your imaginative suggestion for "Negative Proof"
...on the current discussion on Ref desk replies had me laughing so hard, our dog expressed concern for my well-being! Thanks for your support, but even more so: for helping me take things (and myself) a little less seriously. -- Cheers, Deborahjay 15:46, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I like to ratchet up the absurdity when I can :-) --LarryMac 15:50, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Now, that's a powerful suggestion I'll take to heart. In the land of hard reality where I live, absurdity is too often merely close kin to cynicism. Yours is a refreshing and welcome reminder of its being a source of sorely needed levity. -- Deborahjay 15:59, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Salix
LarryMac,

I just purchased a small Salix Caprea Pendula from our local Trader Joe's. It's a cute little willow so I bought it without even know how large this tree would grow. I'm happy to learn that it probably will only be about 6' at full maturity. This is really good news for a city dweller with not much yard space to speak of.

I was hoping you would have even more insight in your writings about this tree. Please do write something.

 * Unfortunately I don't know a lot, and my gardener's thumb is a very pale green, at best. I did learn from a botanist recently that "willows are weeds" so they're easy to grow.  --LarryMac 14:23, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Do you have time for a quick Java question?
Hi Larry, I noticed that you helped at the reference desk recently. Just wondering if you might know anything about this question, or if you know anyone who might. Best to you, Djbaniel 20:49, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Jack's Challenge
In response to the challenge posted on WP:RD/L, I came up with this. I did skip the whole post about "sound symbolism" with all the sl-, sm-, etc words, and maybe my usage isn't perfect in a few places, but at least it's a start.

 * One afternoon whilst studying maths at university, I grew restless. Exams were coming up, and it was crunch time, but I had to get out for a walk.  I stopped in at the nearest pub, and was assailed by the cacophonous sound of the jazz on the jukebox as I waited for my eyes to adjust to the crepuscular light.  A loud voice that was not at all amicable shouted a gripe about the plutocrats who were running the nation.  "They're all a bunch of cunts" he cried to his drinking companion.  "Don't be a sap!  We must overcome their treachery!"  My vision had cleared and I could see the man who was the source of this verbal cacophony.  He was tall and plump, perhaps one might even call him Brobdingnagian.  It was slightly amusing to listen to him rail and to watch his phlegmatic friend just sitting there listening, quietly sipping from his glass, but I felt the need to go elsewhere; his overbearing demeanor was preventing my usufruct of the pub.  I stepped outside and walked toward the library.  I glanced up at the gargoyles perched on the side of the old building, peering down like so many assvogels.  Not at all friendly, like the kakkak's I'd seen on my visit to Guam.  Looking down, I noticed that somebody had written "Dirk snorts smegma" on the sidewalk, as bizarre a grafitto as I'd ever seen.  I walked into the library and stopped to examine the ancient palimpsest they had on display in the lobby.  It appeared to be some kind of medical text and diagram, describing an operation to create a fistula for the purpose of draining bad humors. Although I'd been feeling a mite peckish when I set out, this certainly made my appetite flee.  From the lobby, I wandered to around a bit, quietly watching the other students going about their work.  After nearly an hour of this, I noticed it was getting quite late, so I set out for my rooms again, hoping my break would fructify my own studies.  As I stepped outside into the clear night air, though, I realized that my hunger had come back in force.  I was quite ready to eat anything, from a kumquat to a quahog, and anything in between.  So off I went to the Chinese takeout place.

-- LarryMac | Talk  19:15, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

 * I take my non-existent hat off to you, sir. --  JackofOz 02:17, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Bravo! Rockpock  e  t  05:56, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Ref desk question
Yes! That is him! Thank you very much!! I posted a couple more links that I was able to find now that I had his name. The links have images. Dismas |(talk) 02:25, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

You have no chance to survive make your time.
Lanfear's Bane

Steam Train Reference
Just wanted to say thanks for refering me to the the Strasburg and Essex railroads. However, I've been to both of them! They are both great. My favorite that I've ever been to is the SRR. Also, I have stayed at the Red Caboose, but if you go there again you should check out the Fulton Steamboat Inn.Grango242 22:45, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
For helping me with my maths question —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.36.182.217 (talk) 20:09, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

:)
I was wondering if anyone would notice! DuncanHill 20:36, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Welcome message
...crazy you had essjay welcome you. Jack THE Pumpkin KING 23:25, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank You
You rock thank you!Loperman2510 (talk) 01:36, 24 January 2008 (UTC)loperman2510

 * moved this here from my User Page. I'm not sure what I'm being thanked for, but it's always nice to get a compliment -- LarryMac  | Talk  14:16, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank You For Your Assistance
Thanks for assisting me with my query About the Reference Desk! Yeltsinfan (talk) 06:07, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Rollback
I looked through your contributions and I believe that when you have reverted edits, you have done so appropriately. So, I have added rollback rights to your account. Please note that rollback should be used only for blatant vandalism and does not leave a useful edit summary. I hope you find it useful, but if not, just ask and I will remove it. —Remember the dot (talk) 02:37, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Batch File
Hello, I tried your solution and created a file named rename.bat with this command : for %%i in (dir G:\ /ad /s /b) do ( trid %%i\* -ae ) Where G:\ is my first dir and trid is the program that autodetect the filetype and rename it appropriately.

But sadly I get C:\Documents and Settings\blabla\Desktop\trid_w32>.\rename.bat The syntax of the command is incorrect.

C:\Documents and Settings\blabla\Desktop\trid_w32>for %i in (dir G
 * \ /ad /s /b) do

C:\Documents and Settings\blabla\Desktop\trid_w32> —Preceding unsigned comment added by Esurnir (talk • contribs) 17:05, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

 * I found out that actually the problem was that the problem was that it doesn't seems to accept your ( command ). It need a command after the do... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Esurnir (talk • contribs) 17:16, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Tried that with a cmd /x (seems to activate it) but now the system can't find the file "dir" ^^;. Sorry to bother you with that. but renaming a thousand of file by hand in 750 subfolder is quite a hassle. Esurnir (talk) 17:27, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I found out how !
For /D /R G:\test %%1 IN (*) DO c:\trid_w32\trid "%%1"\* -ae that work perfectly.

Now just a last thing and I won't bother you anymore ^^;. How can I do "two command" in a row ? like cd %%1 then followed by a del *.thumb. Esurnir (talk) 17:33, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Didn't worked, but I found a workaround.

For /D /R G:\ %%1 IN (*) do del "%%1\*.thumb" Still don't understand the. But thank you very very much for your help !. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Esurnir (talk • contribs) 18:10, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Blogs
Thanks for your answer on the Refdesk, Larry. If you'll tell me where to find your blog, I'll click some ads for you! Mine (with no ads) is at. Retarius | Talk 06:50, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

stupid spellings

 * Look, whoever that guy is he is either doing it on purpose or is an idiot. Either way, someone should tell him to type properly. Its not that hard. user: green t-shirt
 * It is unacceptable to call someone a faggot. Period. End of discussion.  Queerbubbles  |  Leave me Some Love  15:48, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Good catch
Drop me a note if you see any more. Cheers! TenOfAllTrades(talk) 14:28, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Dr D et al and AGF
I see you found the proof that this guy is a troll - well spotted! Deleting his questions might only make it worse, though. As someone with experience in dealing with these things, what would you recommend? Zain Ebrahim (talk) 15:03, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

 * Oh my, I don't know that I'm all that experienced in troll-hunting. I just happened to see the suspicious edit earlier, and then when somebody supplied the answer it all sort of snapped together.  For now, I think we watch the contributions closely and involve an admin if/when necessary.  -- LarryMac  | Talk  15:07, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

 * Hope you don't mind I moved your response here.
 * Sounds good. Let's wait and see. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 15:15, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

 * I have no objections to your removal of Avril Lavigne questions, though I personally don't remove threads once editors have responded in good faith. I do think, however, that the treatment should be consistent, whether the querent is registered or an IP-address. Anyway, I won't respond to them anymore. Take care. ---Sluzzelin talk  15:36, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

 * I'm sorry for the collateral damage, but that section did nothing to improve the Ref Desk or Wikipedia. Perhaps I should go ahead and delete the preceding section as well. For the record, my action had nothing to do with registered vs IP, it was more of a "straw that broke the camel's back" situation.  -- LarryMac  | Talk  15:46, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

 * Lol, yeah that makes more sense. Sorry for being confused and soft-brained (it's hot here!). The main reason I never remove threads is the (sometimes) ensuing hilarity at WT:RD, but I certainly won't protest if the "I can write a song a day" gets removed as well. I guess it just might discourage the Avril showers in May, a sensible goal. ---Sluzzelin talk  15:55, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Harsh?
Hi Larry. That may well be true, but that doesn't of itself make this particular post an act of trollery. I couldn't see anything trollish about it. I don't believe in the "once a troll, always a troll" philosophy. Surely, when known or suspected trolls actually make useful edits and/or ask non-disruptive questions, we should be supporting that behaviour. Maybe not a gold star, but we can at least refrain from pointing the finger and assuming some evil ulterior agenda. That seems to breach AGF, which is arguably just as bad a behaviour as the trolling itself. Cheers. -- JackofOz (talk) 16:08, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

 * Thanks, Larry. I guess I'm still lacking any evidence that this question actually disrupted anyone, which for me is the only test that matters. Surely we can consider each question on its own merits, no matter who it's from, without judging it through the prism of our attitude to the questioner. I still say it was a reasonable question, and the folks who've provided answers obviously think so too. Everyone was happy and the system was working the way it was intended to work. Who has the right to intervene in that process? I'm not saying that we shouldn't be on the lookout for trolls or that we shouldn't take appropriate action when they do their darndest, but every now and then they might make a worthwhile contribution or ask a fair question, and when they do that they should be treated no differently from anyone else who asks a fair question. Maybe I'm naive, maybe I'm too trusting, but that's what makes me the wonderful and magnificent human I am. But then I don't agree with the view that whenever the same user asks more than one question on the same topic, that this is ipso facto trollish behaviour. I agree this user didn't do themself any favours by making that threat, but who knows what position they were defending? I certainly don't presume to know. I'll just finish by noting that this has taken up about 90 minutes of my valuable time, whereas if the Troll Alert flag hadn't been raised, that wouldn't have happened. So who's disrupting whom here? Sometimes we can be just a little over-zealous in our anti-trolling campaigns, and that causes just as much damage as the damage we're seeking to stamp out. -- JackofOz (talk) 17:18, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry
Sorry for the "discussion" on the reference desk. I'll try better next time not to put a "discussion" on the desk.

Always

Cardinal Raven

Cardinal Raven (talk) 17:31, 15 May 2008 (UTC)Cardinal Raven

Something to make you laugh
I know you said you didn't care anymore, but it looks like the resolution of our problems has culminated in this. Bear in mind that every account that edited that page is the same person. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 16:57, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

 * Thanks, that's very, ummmm, weird. I keep thinking I've seen it all, and then . . ..
 * I guess I lost my "Zen" attitude towards the desks for a bit there. I'm going to work on finding it.  -- LarryMac  | Talk  13:28, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

 * Glad to have broadened your spectrum of the bizarre. :) See you back at the RD soon! Zain Ebrahim (talk) 14:46, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

 * Your zen must be there somewhere, in that strong Google-fu. This one's in a Paris garden, so you never know where or when. : ) Julia Rossi (talk) 00:50, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

 * Ah, Julia, my sweet. We'll always have Paris.  -- LarryMac  | Talk  20:48, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ro-omaaance* +) Julia Rossi (talk) 08:53, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Pubes

 * I'm not sure if my "pubic" hair is considered normal. Because before then, plastics were not invented.68.148.164.166 (talk) 19:58, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Harvey (film) height
Hi. You seem to be the one most insistent on the height being 6'8.5", at least recently. Why is this? In the film, Elwood P. Dowd clearly says that Harvey is 6'3.5", as I recall from having just watched it and the IMDb quote page. I don't want to wade in on what is clearly an old-standing argument, but your explanation in the body of the article doesn't seem to fit with what is in the movie. Thanks! Kwedin (talk) 03:01, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

 * At this point, I'd have to go back and watch the movie again myself, as it's been awhile. I know that Jimmy Stewart was 6'3", there are plenty of references for that, and I know that a change was made to Harvey's height somewhere along the line.  But right now, the only thing I can find is this page, which states 'Though in the film, Harvey is 6'3 1/2", on the stage it was changed to 6'7 1/2", to be more of a contrast with Stewart's own 6'3". '  Not sure how reliable that source is, of course.  Since I'm now totally confused, I won't edit the page again until I can find some definite, and I'll take responsibility for not properly researching.  -- LarryMac  | Talk  13:23, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

 * Actually, that site makes some sense. I can't go back and look now, since I deleted it from TiVo, but I think in the intro to the movie on TCM, they discussed that Jimmy Stewart went on to star in a later production of the play the movie was based on. (And incidentally, that he played it as a much darker character.) Maybe they changed it in the later plays that included Stewart. But as the article is about the film, and the website you cited also says the 3 1/2" height was in the film, I'm going to change it back to that, unless you have some other information. Thanks! Kwedin (talk) 04:06, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

march the 14
and lo, god spoketh to perry and he sayth, march thine 14th will be'th thine day(th) for steak and a BJ - have marked the calender for next year, mrs mankster sez feb 14th better be bloody good! (dammmn right, baby can you dig it?) thank you larrymac!Perry-mankster (talk) 16:52, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Recent Edits
You recently removed an entire discussion from the humanities reference page in an apparent act of vandalism. Please explain your edit on said page's discussion area. If this dispute cannot be resolved, I may be forced to persue Wikipedia's other areas of conflict resolution. Thank you in advance for your cooperation. 216.239.234.196 (talk) 14:05, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

 * The removal was already explained; you reversion of the removal without checking the talk page is an apparent act of disruption. Your threats mean nothing to me.  -- LarryMac  | Talk  14:36, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Err...
I found your comment at WP:REFDESK rather rude. I talk like that. I wasn't yelling. What you consider yelling may not actually be. Please take the time to think before you speak in future.-- Editor510  drop us a line, mate  11:57, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

 * OK, so you "talk like that" but I'm not allowed to "talk" like I do? You have a strange concept of how to interact with people, so I won't bother any further.  -- LarryMac  | Talk  13:46, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * That's not what I said, I never forbade you to say what you say. I was explaining to you what I mean. I also pronounce it FrEEking, not FrICKing. That way it's doesn't sound so bad. Sorry we got off on the wrong foot. No hard feelings? :)-- Editor510  drop us a line, mate  21:08, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Award
I hereby award you a scrumptious cookie for helping me rediscover Celtic Thunder. - Mgm|(talk) 11:40, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

 * Om nom nom. Thanks!  -- LarryMac  | Talk  13:39, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Replying to your message
I didn't remove anything from reference desk..I only edit articles occasionally. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.95.110.48 (talk) 04:32, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Java and Portal
I recently posted the following text on Wikipedia regarding the creation of a new computing-related project: 'WikiProject Java is a Wikipedian community that aims to better organize information in articles related to the Java programming language and its platform. Please support this initiative,    A l a i n  R 3 4 5  Techno-Wiki-Geek     18:43, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * If I'm cor-rec-to, there are about 900 articles on Java technology in Wikipedia, which may be more than ALL other programming languages articles combined...
 * At least, it's more than for C++, and there IS a C++ WikiProject...
 * And it's MUCH more than the .NET WikiProject with 82 articles...
 * There is also a Ruby project and a Python portal so...
 * Now you can also see a proposal for the Java Portal (temp location).'

Looks familiar
I saw this one earlier (though again, after responses had been posted), and I reached the same conclusion. Watchful waiting may be the best strategy for now, but if you see anything similar in the future, I would endorse the use of both barrels. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 22:02, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

reply
Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 18:29, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Tatoo's guitars
That just made me laugh out loud. Thank you. --Dweller (talk) 13:51, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Glad to be of service :-)  I do try to keep on-topic, but just couldn't pass that up.  -- LarryMac  | Talk  14:07, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!
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ArbCom elections are now open!
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Steve D'Aquisto

Steve D'Acquisto (1943–2001) was an American disco DJ and record producer.

He started the concept of the record pool with David Mancuso, Paul Casella and Vince Aletti in 1975 in New York City.

D'Acquisto also collaborated with Arthur Russell in the disco group Loose Joints.

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Hunter Wright Stadium

Hunter Wright Stadium is a baseball park in Kingsport, Tennessee, named for the popular multi-term former mayor. It is the home field of Kingsport Axmen of the summer collegiate Appalachian League. It was previously home to the Kingsport Mets, a Rookie-level Minor League Baseball affiliate of the New York Mets of the Appalachian League from 1995 to 2020. Built in 1995, it seats 2,500 people.

The stadium's location, just a couple of miles from the Tennessee-Virginia line, allows Gate City High School in nearby Gate City, Virginia, to rent the field for its baseball games, making Hunter Wright the home field for its Blue Devils baseball team. The facility also hosts a few home games for Kingsport's Dobyns-Bennett High School Indians, returning the favor from when the K-Mets played at the high school's field.

Since 1998, it has hosted the Coca-Cola Classic, a series of baseball games between local high school teams.

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