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Syncrude

Syncrude Canada Ltd. is one of the world's largest producers of synthetic crude oil from oil sands and the largest single source producer in Canada. It is located just outside Fort McMurray in the Athabasca Oil Sands, and has a nameplate capacity of 350000 oilbbl/d of oil, equivalent to about 13% of Canada's consumption. It has approximately 5.1 Goilbbl of proven and probable reserves (11.9 billion when including contingent and prospective resources) situated on 8 leases over 3 contiguous sites. Including fully realized prospective reserves, current production capacity could be sustained for well over 90 years.

As of 2021, Syncrude's Mildred Lake site remains the largest single greenhouse gas emitter in Canada.

History
Syncrude was formed as a research consortium in 1964 by Ryan Sheppard. Construction at the Syncrude site began in 1973, and it officially opened in 1978. Starting in 1996, Syncrude has been expanding its operations. Between 1996 and 1999, the original mine was expanded and the plant was "debottlenecked", increasing production from 73.5 Moilbbl per year in 1996 to 81.4 million in 1999. The total cost of this stage of expansion was $470 million. Between 1998 and 2001, a new mine, Aurora, was opened 35 km north of the original site, and further debottlenecking was undertaken. Production started in Aurora in July 2001. Syncrude's production increased to 90 Moilbbl per year by the end of 2001. Total cost for this stage was $1 billion.

A third stage of expansion was undertaken between 2001 and 2006, in which a second train at the Aurora line came online and the Mildred Lake upgrader was expanded. The expansion added 100000 oilbbl/d to Syncrude's production (36.5 Moilbbl a year assuming this is average). The cost was $8.4 billion, a substantial cost overrun over the original estimate of $5.7 billion.

On April 12, 2010, ConocoPhillips agreed to sell its share to Sinopec, a Chinese state-owned oil company. The sale, for $4.65 billion, was completed on June 25, 2010.

The second tallest smokestack in western Canada, 183 m (600 ft) in height, is located at its facility.

In April 2016, Suncor announced that they had reached a $937-million deal to acquire Murphy Oil Corp.'s five per cent stake in the Syncrude project north of Fort McMurray, Alta. This follows the hostile takeover of Canadian Oil Sands less than a year ago, and will increase its interest in Syncrude from just under 49 per cent to nearly 54 per cent, making it the majority shareholder of the project.

The 2016 Fort McMurray wildfire forced a complete shutdown of Syncrude's facilities.

Ownership
The company is a joint venture by four partners (Suncor Energy (58.74%), Imperial Oil (25%), Sinopec (9.03%) and CNOOC (7.23%)). As a result, Syncrude is not traded directly, but rather through the individual owners.

The ownership board must approve all annual operating budgets and proposed capital spending projects, and are required to provide the funding for said activities based on their ownership share.

Pollution
Air releases of combined gases without volatile organic compounds (VOCs) by Syncrude Canada in 2005 were 129,741,321 (kg) in total, including ammonia (4,302,361 kg), sulphuric acid (1,129,425 kg), xylene (501,461 kg), etc. The company was also ranked as having the seventh highest air releases of combined gases (without VOC) in Canada in 2005. Syncrude's Mildred Lake Plant Site is the largest greenhouse gas emitter in Canada emitting 12,359,420 tonnes of CO2 equivalent in 2012. It remains Canada's largest greenhouse-gas emitter in 2021. Research published in 2019 indicated that the intensity of CO2 emissions at the Syncrude Mildred Lake site may be 123% larger than calculations from publicly reported data would indicate.

Oil sands tailings pond water
Syncrude is a member of Canada's Oil Sands Innovation Alliance (COSIA), an alliance of oil sands producers formed in 2012, who share research on Environmental Priority Areas (EPAs) such as tailing pond water and greenhouse gases. One of the major challenges facing COSIA is the treatment of oil sands tailings pond water. "Tailings are the sand, silt, clay and water found naturally in oil sands that remain following the mining and bitumen extraction process." The problem stems from the hot water process used by Suncor and Syncrude to extract bitumen from the Athabasca Oil Sands which produce large quantities of tailings pond sludge which remains stable for decades. By 1990 it was considered to be the "imminent environmental constraint to future use of the hot water process." Syncrude also contributes to the industry-funded Joint Oil sands Monitoring Program which was created in 2012 and managed by the federal and Alberta governments. According to a 2013 article published in Environmental Science: Processes & Impacts, the tailings ponds contain toxic chemicals such as "naphthenic acids (NAs) and process chemicals (e.g., alkyl sulphates, quaternary ammonium compounds, and alkylphenol ethoxylates)." The study used the computer program (CXTFIT) to evaluate the transport behaviour of these contaminants through the foundation as well as underground. The chemicals seep "through the foundation of the tailings pond to the subsurface, potentially affecting the quality of groundwater."

In an article accepted for publication in Environmental Science and Technology journal in January 2014, Environment Canada's Richard Frank and his team of scientists confirmed that, using new technology, they were able to "fingerprint the mix of groundwater chemicals in the area" proving that oil sands tailings pond water had leached into groundwater and the Athabasca River. The study undertaken by a new federal-provincial oil sands monitoring program used new $1.6-million technology acquired in 2010. The equipment is able to "fingerprint chemicals and trace them back to where they came from."

Greenpeace lawsuit
In August 2008, Syncrude Canada filed a lawsuit against Greenpeace Canada for $120,000, plus costs, after 11 Greenpeace activists went on to the company's Aurora North oil sands site July 24, 2008, to unfurl anti-oil sands banners and unsuccessfully block a tailings pipe. Company spokesperson Mark Kruger said the company filed the lawsuit—which also names the activists individually—largely because of safety concerns as the activists were "unfamiliar with an industrial operation, and unfamiliar with some of the safety hazards that can be present... We just want to ensure that, in the future, nobody is putting themselves at unnecessary risk."

Greenpeace chose the Syncrude site for the protest because in April 2008, 1600 migrating ducks died after landing on a tailings pond at the site (Syncrude was fined $3 million.)

Keyano College
In 2004, Syncrude announced an $800,000 multi-year donation, $500,000 of which was dedicated to the new community Syncrude Sport and Wellness Centre and the balance to Keyano Theatre’s Arts Alive Series and student scholarships. In 2005, Syncrude invested another $200,000 and took the naming rights to the Syncrude Sports and Wellness Centre at Keyano College.

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Talk:Lola Bunny

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I'd just like to point out a possible correction to the article. In 'Looney Tunes back in action', Bugs doesn't state that he doesn't need Lola, he states that he normally plays the female love interest but will work with girls. Here's the quotes...

Kate: "Answer, we team you up with a hot female co-star."

Bugs: "Usually, (spin changes into drag queen outfit and starts talking in high, female vioce) I play the female love interest."

Michigan: (in backround) Hello, my baby, hello, my darling, hello my ragtime doll...

Kate: "About the cross-dressing thing. In the past, funny.  Today, disturbing."

Bugs spin-changes back to normal attire except for lipstick as Michagan stopps singing.

Bugs: (while wiping of lipstick) "Lady, if you don't find a rabbit with lipstick amusing, you and I have nothin' to say to each other."

--Looneyman 21:00, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

--Edited by Wack'd About Wiki 23:34, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Baby Looney Tunes
Lola Bunny is in Baby Looney Tunes, so she's not out, yet... --Geopgeop 08:25, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Not to mention that !@#$-%^^ peace of ^&*( they're trying to pass of as a revampment of the Looney Tunes. --70.104.133.162 20:20, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

You spelled "to pass" wrong. If you're going to dump on Loonitcs Unleashed, at least do it right. --Wack'd About Wiki 23:36, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Age Difference
If Lola was born in 1972, Bugs (born in 1940) is 32 years older than her, quite a huge age difference... 惑乱 分からん 10:27, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Fandom
The fandom section is very very very very informal, so much so that it sounds more like an advertisement for this Ramirez gu. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.32.116.227 (talk) 00:12, 27 February 2007 (UTC).

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Two Lolas´ image
It have an image in Andy Fox´s. (User:Kado) 5 Feb 2008

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Redundant sentence in Space Jam
I'm removing the sentence "Lola first appears in the film Space Jam, in which she is voiced by Kath Soucie." because the previous sentence gives the same information. - Bkid Talk/Contribs 17:29, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Confusion
What does "ref group" mean and how is it different from a ref name? --72.68.1.136 (talk) 13:46, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Development/Prototypes/Character biography
Where's the Development, Prototypes and Character biography? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.255.216.208 (talk) 23:36, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Earliest version Honey Bunny
She had appeared as Honey Bunny in the original cartoons before Lola Bunny's appearance in Space Jam: Hold the Lion, Please as Mrs. Bugs Bunny, Bugs Bunny Nips the Nips as a hawaiian rabbit, Hare Splitter as Daisy, Bewitched Bunny, even though Bugs throws a bomb and transforms Witch Hazel as a female rabbit (resembles Honey Bunny) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.255.216.208 (talk) 19:44, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Correction
Lola's rubber band or elastic band is BLUE, *not* PURPLE in Space Jam! You're thinking of The Looney Tunes Show for the season one look!!! What are you, colorblind!? Maybe a man wrote that, because women, especially such as me, are able to be genetically colorbind; women DON'T get genetically colorblind! --72.68.2.104 (talk) 09:59, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

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Ashburnham

Ashburnham may refer to:

 * Ashburnham, East Sussex, England
 * Ashburnham Place, a country house in that village, the ancestral home of the Ashburnham family
 * Ashburnham, Massachusetts, United States
 * Ashburnham, Ontario, Canada, a village annexed by the city of Peterborough in 1904
 * Ashburnham (surname)
 * Earl of Ashburnham
 * John Ashburnham (disambiguation)
 * Ashburnham baronets
 * Ashburnham House, London, place of the 1731 Ashburnham House fire.

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Talk:Plato of Bactria

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I am - as usual - a bit behind here, since I cannot read Bopearachi's French works. My apologies. No other site has any coins of Plato, nor have I seen any reference except to that unique coin. I am thankful for your addition here. However, I have checked the coin date on the Seleucid Yahoo Group and accordingly changed the time of Plato's rule - and his relationship with Eucratides.

Have you checked my entries for Demetrius III and Heliokles II? Do the suggestions stand? And finally: what should be done about the geographical duplicates (Taxila is said to be a city in both Punjab and Gandhara) on the main Indo-Greek page? Best Regards User--Sponsianus 21:00, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi Sponsanius. Again, as you're clearly interested in this subject, I really recommend the Bopearachchi book. The French text is actually few, and most of the book is about coin descriptions and pictures. It is available on Amazon.fr
 * Overall, three dates are known to appear on the coins of Plato: MZ, MH and MN.
 * Thanks for your additions on Demetrius III and Heliokles II. When you look at all the coins available, separate attribution seems more probable, but this is an area where various interpretations are always possible.
 * For the locations in the main Indo-Greek article, after many attemps following Tarn, I have finally followed Bopearachchi and taken the same structure. The Indo-Greek main article should be consistent is that respect. This is not always reflected in the text of all individual kings (sorry, lack of effort on my part). Please feel free to correct any discrepancy you may find. Best regards. PHG 22:04, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick reply. The main issue on the Indo-Greek page is: who ruled in Eastern Punjab between 100-80 BCE? Here is a sketch for a timeline in accordance with the site as I perceive it. The Y-axis is read more or less like a map going from west to east (even though Arachosia is rather south than east of Kabul). "&" are assumed corulers, "/" are competing kings.

Year           (Kabul---Arachosia--Gandhara/W Punjab--E Punjab)

130		Heliokles I-Strato I & Agatokleia--

120		Zoilos & LysiasStrato I--

110            Antialkidas & Lysias-Strato I--

100            Antialkidas/Polyxenos---Heliokles II & Dem. III-

95             Amyntas & Diomedes--Philoxenos--?

90             Theophilos?/Nikias--Arkebios-?

85             HermaiosArkebios? 80             Hermaios(Maues) & Artemidoros?

75             Hermaios---Apollodotos II--

65             (Scythians)Apollodotos II---

60             (Scythians)--HippostratosDionysios--

50             (Scythians)Zoilos II---

40             (Scythians)Zoilos II---

30             (Scythians)-Apollophanes

20             (Scythians)--Strato II  Some minor kings are not included: in Gandhara/Arachosia (Menander II, Telephos) and in Western Punjab (Epandros, Thrason). So, what is the catch? Do Philoxenos and Arkebios rule eastern Punjab, or are Polyxenos, Epandros or Thrason (three kings associated with the house of Menander I) misplaced and should rule further east? The rule of Maues is shortened - 80-65 BCE are generous estimates.

However, I don't want to disturb the structure by changing individual kings without your consent. Apart from the question above, here is what I suggest: --Sponsianus 00:28, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) The territory of Antialcidas and Lysias should be extended to include Gandhara.
 * 2) Artemidoros comes after Maues, since he claims to be his son on one of his coins.
 * 3) How do we know which kings are "Eastern" or "Western" after 100 BCE? Philoxenos looks rather "Eastern" to me.
 * 4) Finally, something should be done to separate "Gandhara" from "Punjab". If these two areas are used side by side, Taxila could only be part of one of them. BTW: the Indo-Greek territory stretched into Kashmir as well.

Hi Sponsianus, Thank for your chart. Here it is revised exactly according to Bopearachchi (please look at it in Edit mode for exact alignement):

Year  Kabul---Arachosia---Gandhara---W Punjab---E Punjab

130   Zoilos->Agathokleia-->

120   Lysias-->Strato I>

110   Antialcidas->Heliokles II->

100   PolyxeneDemetrios III

100-95 Philoxene->

95-90 Diomede--><--Amyntas><--Epander

90    Theophile><--Peucolaos--><--Thrason

90-85 Nicias---><--Menander II><-Artemidore

90-70 Hermaois-- --><-Archebios>

Maues-->

Telephos---><-Apollodotus II->

65-55                                            Hippostratos   Dionysios

55-35                                              Azes I        Zoilos II

35-25                                                        Apollophanes

25-10                                                          Strato II                                                                 Rajuvula

So this would mean nobody ruled Eastern Punjab between Menander and Apollodotus II (although the Greek are recorded in Mathura until around 100 BCE) On your other comments: PHG 13:48, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Menander II and Telephos are indeed included in Gandhara/Arachosia
 * 2) Epander and Thrason are indeed in Western Punjab.
 * 3) "The territory of Antialcidas and Lysias should be extended to include Gandhara" > Not according to Bopearachchi.
 * 4) "Artemidoros comes after Maues, since he claims to be his son on one of his coins" > Do you have an image of this coin? I do not know it.
 * 5) "How do we know which kings are "Eastern" or "Western" after 100 BCE? Philoxenos looks rather "Eastern" to me" > Right. I just kept Bopearachchi.
 * 6) "Finally, something should be done to separate "Gandhara" from "Punjab". If these two areas are used side by side, Taxila could only be part of one of them. BTW: the Indo-Greek territory stretched into Kashmir as well." I think Taxila is technically in Punjab, but is also said to have been one of the capital of Gandhara.

''Thanks! I give my comments in italics.''
 * Hi Sponsianus. My comments throughout your text (with ident). Regards.PHG 22:24, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

So this would mean nobody ruled Eastern Punjab between Menander and Apollodotus II (although the Greek are recorded in Mathura until around 100 BCE)

Very interesting. ''On my ancient maps (I use mostly Atlas zur Welt Geschichte by Westermanns) Punjab ends far west of Mathura, and even with a liberal definition Mathura only just touches the south-east border. So what Bopearachi means with eastern Punjab is the area east/south of Hyphases, as far as Mathura.'' ''So if Strato held Mathura, he held eastern Punjab as well as areas east of Punjab. When Strato died, Mathura and Punjab east of Hyphases was lost (if it had not been lost when Menandros died.)''

''In around 80 BCE, parts of this area were reconquered by Apollodotus II, who hence took the title Great King. IIRC, he has this title on all his coins, so he ruled two kingdoms from the start of his reign. The most probable explanation is that Maues conquered eastern Punjab, and when Maues died the Greeks took back the entire area immediately - by simply putting a Greek back on the throne of the Scythian empire! Apollodotus II was the son of a king (he calls himself Philopator) but who? Epander or Thrason who have similar Athena reverses? Or Philoxenos - Apollodotus II also has the king-on-horseback coins, even if his horse is walking, not galopping like Philoxenos and Menander II. Hippostratos - very probably the son of Apollodotus II - has both types so one wonders what the difference was.''
 * Maues apparently never went as far as Eastern Punjab, so a better explanation might be that the Indo-Greek fled and resettled in Eastern Punjab after his attacks.PHG 22:24, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Menander and the next kings apparently ruled in Mathura (and therefore probably also in eastern Punjab, beyond the limits set by Bopearachchi), which was held until 100 BCE when the Indians claim to have taken the area. The area of eastern Punjab may have been evacuated, until it was taken again by the Greeks when they had to take refuge from Maues circa 65BCE. PHG 22:24, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

''But the sequence rulers of Sialkot, the capital of Menander I, should be as follows: Strato I, Heliokles II, (Demetrios III?), Philoxenos, Epander, (Thrason ?), Maues, Mahen (his queen), Artemidoros or Apollodotos II, Hippostratos, Azes. Or is Sialkot counted as an eastern Punjab city, with Dionysios, Zoilos, Apollophanes and Strato II ruling there as well?''
 * I think Sialkot is in Eastern Punjab.PHG 22:24, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

''A final comment on the list: Zoilos II is misplaced. If he overstruck some of Apollodotus IIs coins, he was a contemporary or close follower.''
 * I am not sure I see your point. He is indeed following Apollodotus II on the above list(s).PHG 22:24, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

''Sorry. When I wrote "some minor kings are not included", I simply meant there was no place for them in my chart.''
 * 1) Menander II and Telephos are indeed included in Gandhara/Arachosia
 * 2) Epander and Thrason are indeed in Western Punjab.

''Antialcidas is described on this site as reigning in Taxila. His ambassador came from Taxila, as stated in the ancient inscription, and there is also a convincing discussion about his elephant coins which are said to represent that city. Lysias crowns himself with an elephant scalp like Demetrius I - he is obviously claiming to be the conqueror of parts of India. And since Heliokles II/Demetrios III - if they exist, and I am getting more convinced - struck coins which are very similar to those of Antialcidas/Lysias, it is not unlikely that the latter at some time were masters of the entire Indo-Greek realm, even if they put relatives as rulers in Punjab''
 * 1) "The territory of Antialcidas and Lysias should be extended to include Gandhara" > Not according to Bopearachchi.
 * I think you're right, especially for Antialcidas in Taxila, since the evidence is clear there. We should probably do this modification. PHG 22:24, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

''I have only read of it. Here is a link: Artemidoros son of Maues coin''
 * 1) "Artemidoros comes after Maues, since he claims to be his son on one of his coins" > Do you have an image of this coin? I do not know it.
 * Thanks for the link, but I think we'd have to see an actual reproduction of the coin.PHG 22:24, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

 * 1) "How do we know which kings are "Eastern" or "Western" after 100 BCE? Philoxenos looks rather "Eastern" to me" > Right. I just kept Bopearachchi.

''Did Philoxenos ever strike coins with only Greek legends? Otherwise, it seems probable that he never ruled the entire Indo-Greek kingdom; instead the westernmost areas were held continously by the "Eucratides-like kings": Antialcidas and his followers Amyntas and Diomedes. All these kings struck Greek coins, as did Hermaios and Theophilos, though the latter was probably a usurper. This might be how Bopearachi defines western and eastern kings - not from where they came. But what disturbs me is why neither Zoilos nor Lysias struck Greek coins when they ruled in the west - or did they?''
 * Yes, Philoxenus, King Lysias and Zoilos I did strike attic coins. I added images on their page. PHG 22:24, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

The problem is that Gandhara and Punjab are overlapping because they are names introduced at different times. --Sponsianus 18:27, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) "Finally, something should be done to separate "Gandhara" from "Punjab". If these two areas are used side by side, Taxila could only be part of one of them. BTW: the Indo-Greek territory stretched into Kashmir as well." I think Taxila is technically in Punjab, but is also said to have been one of the capital of Gandhara.

 * I think that pretty much sums it up. As for Zoilos II: I meant that his reign should begin no later than 64 BCE (the year after Apollodotus II died and thus the last chance to overstrike his coins) not 55 as is said now.

Here is where the Artemidoros coin was published.

I shall get the Bopearachi book. One last question: Are there any more kings who struck Attic coins without it being mentioned on this site? Strato I, Polyxenos, Menandros II, Apollodotus II, Hippostratus, Epandros, Nikias & Peucolaus are not accounted for.
 * I checked Bopearachchi: none of them seems to have struck Attic coins.PHG 12:02, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

BTW - do you work with numismatics? I am an amateur historian, almost through with writing a book on the hellenistic age in the east.
 * No, just an amateur who happened to be hooked by this subject. Nice to discuss with someone else who shares this interest. Tell me when your book is out! PHG 12:02, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

--Sponsianus 02:02, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Inscription
ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ ΕΠΙΦΑΝΟΥΣ ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ or ΠΛΑΤΑΝΟΣ

I think I see an A alfa instead of an Ω omega.

Does anybody see the same? Are there any other inscriptions elsewhere or better preserved / better cut coins?--FocalPoint 21:31, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

(erroneous) Page title
Hello, @Furius I was wondering why this article is titled "Diodotus III Plato" — this is completely erroneous – none of the coins bear the name "Diodotos", only Platon. Please could you consider this and possibly move the page? thanks 2A00:23EE:1400:1F14:416D:F8A9:CF3A:CA73 (talk) 09:34, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

 * You're absolutely right. "Diodotus" seems to have been introduced by a sockpuppet in 2021. Furius (talk) 23:06, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

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Stanisław Radziszowski

Stanisław P. Radziszowski (born June 7, 1953) is a Polish-American mathematician and computer scientist, best known for his work in Ramsey theory.

Radziszowski was born in Gdańsk, Poland, and received his PhD from the Institute of Informatics of the University of Warsaw in 1980. His thesis topic was "Logic and Complexity of Synchronous Parallel Computations". From 1976 to 1980 he worked as a visiting professor in various universities in Mexico City. In 1984, he moved to the United States, where he took up a position in the Department of Computer Science at the Rochester Institute of Technology.

Radziszowski has published many papers in graph theory, Ramsey theory, block designs, number theory and computational complexity.

In a 1995 paper with Brendan McKay he determined the Ramsey number R(4,5)=25. His survey of Ramsey numbers, last updated in March 2017, is a standard reference on the subject and published at the Electronic Journal of Combinatorics.

authors: قنديل البحر ليس لذيذًا

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Talk:Nö Sleep at All

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Detailed facts on date and location from "Illustrated Collectors Guide to Motorhead" and "White Line Fever" (Lemmy's autobiography). Alf 14:06, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Slightly confusing
However, these were not bonus tracks to the original CD release (GWR GWCD 31 in the UK), as shown above: the reissues, oddly, had the original vinyl and cassette running order and tacked the two cut tracks onto the end.

I can't figure out what is this supposed to mean. If the original CD didn't have the bonus tracks, and the re-issues have the bonus tracks on the end (as 11 and 12), then which edition has the two as tracks 2 and 4? Roda 21:19, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

It's like it says: the reissue CDs claim to have bonus tracks. However, they're not bonus tracks, as they WERE on the original CD release on GWR AND in their original running-order. They were only bonus tracks cf the original tape and vinyl LP release - see the track-listing for those. The reissue 'bonus tracks' are on the end of (what was) the vinyl issue, which makes one wonder which mastertape was used for the reissue. In other words, the original GWR CD has the songs as 2 & 4 and is, IMO, the only version worth getting. Another example of reissues not necessarily being better than the original issue (Ozzy Osbourne, I'm talking to you!) Hope this clears it up. Alister, UK —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.129.10.125 (talk) 15:33, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Track listing
"The second CD release, on Castle Records as CLACD 285, omitted track 2 "Metropolis" and track 4 "Stay Clean" for unknown reasons."

Unkown reasons? Have you people ever listend to No Sleep at All. Both tracks have some really nasty audio feedback. 5.147.146.175 (talk) 20:35, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

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Masadan

Masadan is a village in Jalal-Abad Region in Kyrgyzstan. It is part of the Suzak District. Its population was 2,391 in 2021. It is the birthplace of the former president of the Kyrgyz Republic, Kurmanbek Bakiyev. Masadan is also called Teit. The village is located to the south-west of Jalal-Abad city, near the border with Uzbekistan.

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Paul Griggs

Paul Griggs (born 20 November 1944 in St. Albans, Hertfordshire, England) is a British musician. He first played professionally in the band The Cortinas, formed in 1963. The Cortinas released one single in 1968 on Polydor Records called "Phoebe's Flower Shop" and were renamed Octopus the same year.

Octopus, which included Griggs' brother Nigel, supported many well-known groups including Cream and Yes and they released one LP (Restless Night, Penny Farthing, April 1971) and several singles. During its existence, Octopus had several members who later joined famous groups: Drummer Brian Glascock, John Cook and Tim Reeves of Mungo Jerry, and brother Nigel Griggs and Malcolm Green, both later of New Zealand group, Split Enz. According to the Nottingham Post, "There was a point – when Octopus cut a single and album – when it looked like fame would be theirs ... but it didn't happen."

When Octopus disbanded, Griggs joined vocal group Guys 'n' Dolls and their first single "There's a Whole Lot of Loving" reached number two in the UK Singles Chart. Griggs did not feature on this recording. It had been pre-recorded by session musicians. This was followed by other chart placements.

In September 1978, Guys 'n' Dolls supported Frank Sinatra for a week of concerts at the Royal Festival Hall in London and in the same year they took part in the Yamaha Song Festival in Tokyo. Guys 'n' Dolls spent their last years in the Netherlands and during that time Griggs released two solo singles, the first a medley of Shadows instrumentals under the title of "Guitar Collection" for EMI Holland. The second a cover of The Beatles song "You Won't See Me" for "Dureco". After the group disbanded in 1985 Griggs assumed responsibility for Everyday Music Ltd in England, and concentrated on writing and producing. In 1986 he was a finalist in A Song for Europe with his composition, "I'm Sorry" which was performed by Chad Brown, and a year later his song "No More Tears" was runner-up in "The Buddy Holly Song Contest" that was organised and judged by Paul McCartney. Griggs received his award from McCartney at a dinner in London. Griggs has also released a solo CD on his own Fenman label called My Songs (Fen 001CD), on which he played and composed every track. In 1997, he made a guest appearance on the BBC Two quiz show, Never Mind the Buzzcocks.

Griggs' song "I Don't Wanna Lose You" was recorded by Lonnie Donegan, and featured on Donegan's album Muleskinner Blues.

In 2008, Griggs self-published a memoir, Diary of a Musician (Fenman Paperback) based on the diaries he kept from 1960.

Discography
The Cortinas Octopus Guys 'n' Dolls
 * "Phoebe's Flower Shop" / "Too Much in Love" (Polydor, May 1968)
 * "Laugh at the Poor Man" / "Girlfriend" (Penny Farthing, Nov 1969)
 * "The River" / "Thief" (Penny Farthing, May 1970)
 * Restless Night (Penny Farthing, April 1971)

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 * Radio 1 feature listed in "The Collectors Guide to Motorhead" page 62. Alf 18:28, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Added reference to "Hellraiser" being in the movie, Hellraiser 3. Moved anything after that into separate section, "Overview", to break the paragraphs up. Updated track credits with Wikilinks. Added comprehensive production personnel credits (added producer to infobox also). Added external link to official website. Bubba hotep 08:16, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Drums
Do we know which tracks Philthy played drums on? --kingboyk 17:58, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

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Parsons Arboretum

The Parsons Arboretum (19 acres; 7.6 hectares ) is an arboretum and garden located adjacent to the corner of 21st and Briggs Avenue in Glenwood Park, Parsons, Kansas, United States.

Built on the former location of the Parsons & Pacific Railroad yard, the Aboretum consists of a daylily bed, wetlands, gazebo, and a wildflower bed. Its history dates back to 1987 when the city established the Parsons Tree Advisory Board. When the Union Pacific Railroad deeded approximately 19 acre of land to the City in 1991, the commission was able to organize an arboretum. The Arboretum was developed in 1992, and in 1993 the Parsons Arboretum Foundation, Inc. was established as a not-for-profit organization.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Morgan Stanley Capital International

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was REDIRECT to Morgan Stanley. Postdlf 05:01, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Morgan Stanley Capital International
Same thing as Morgan Stanley except much shorter and less informative. StopTheFiling 21:03, July 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was thinking redirect myself, but I wasn't sure what the right protocol on that was, not that there was much history to delete if I had, but as a noob I was chicken...I was looking for the right thing to put up on it, and VFD's the closest I got. StopTheFiling 22:50, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

 * In that case it would be quicker and easier to just redirect. -Aranel (" Sarah ") 21:25, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect, agreed james gibbon  21:35, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect would be o.k., but I just found this article by entering MSCI. Maybe a redirection for this abbreviation to Morgan Stanley would also be helpful?--Filosof 22:26, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. MSCI is a business unit of Morgan Stanley. It is not, itself, Morgan Stanley. At least comparing Morgan Stanley and MSCI is the sort of thing that one should do before voting, I think. Ben-w 23:43, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect. Just another business unit, not notable on its own. --Calton | Talk 07:13, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Morgan Stanley. JamesBurns 09:54, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Ryan Franklin

Ryan Ray Franklin (born March 5, 1973) is an American former professional baseball pitcher, who played in Major League Baseball (MLB) for the Seattle Mariners, Philadelphia Phillies, Cincinnati Reds, and St. Louis Cardinals. Franklin currently works in the Cardinals’ front office.

Early life
He was born in Fort Smith, Arkansas, and grew up in Spiro, Oklahoma. He graduated from high school in Spiro in 1991 and was named to the All-State baseball team. He went to Seminole Junior College, in Oklahoma, where he had a 20–0 win–loss record over two years.

Seattle Mariners
Franklin was drafted by the Seattle Mariners in the 23rd round of the 1992 MLB draft but chose to return to school. He signed his first MLB contract with the team on May 21, 1993. He made his MLB debut in 1999, appearing in six games. In 2000, he began the season in Triple-A, and then decided (with club permission) to not play in MLB during September in order to participate in the Olympics. During those Olympics in Sydney, he and his teammates won a gold medal, defeating Cuba 4–0 in the title game. After missing the 2000 season in the big leagues, Franklin posted a strong spring training and won a job in the Mariners bullpen, appearing in 38 games. The next season, Franklin began the season in the bullpen but after the first half of the season, was moved to the rotation. He finished with a record of 7–5 in 41 appearances, 12 starts. In 2003, Franklin began in the rotation and was one of the Mariners most consistent starters, posting an ERA of 3.57 in 212 innings. He tied for the Major League lead in home runs allowed in 2003, with 34.

In 2004, Franklin and the whole Seattle team struggled, losing 99 games. Franklin for his part went 4–16 with a 4.90 ERA in 200 innings. He struck out a career high 104. In 2005, he went 8–15 with a career high 5.10 in 190 innings. He struck out 93. After the 2005 season, Franklin filed for free agency.

Philadelphia Phillies
On January 13, Franklin signed a one-year, $2.5 million contract with the Philadelphia Phillies. Franklin shifted back to a bullpen role, appearing in 46 games.

Cincinnati Reds
On August 7, 2006, Franklin was traded to the Cincinnati Reds for a player to be named later, who turned out to be minor league pitcher Zac Stott. Franklin pitched the rest of the season out of the bullpen, appearing in 20 games.

St. Louis Cardinals
On January 22,, Franklin signed with the St. Louis Cardinals on a one-year, $1 million contract. He signed a two-year, $5 million contract extension with a $2.75 million club option for 2010 on July 5, 2007. He was promoted to closer on May 17, 2008. Franklin was named to the 2009 All-Star Game roster. On September 1,, Franklin signed a two-year, $6.5 million contract extension with the Cardinals. In 2009, he finished the regular season with a 1.92 ERA, and 38 saves.

On April 19, 2011, Franklin (who blew two saves in 29 chances in the 2010 season) was removed from his closer role after (among other struggles on the mound) blowing four saves in five chances to start the 2011 season.

He was released on June 29, after recording an 8.46 ERA, giving up 44 hits (.367 batting average against), nine home runs, walking seven and striking out 17 in 27 2/3 innings for a 1.84 WHIP in 21 games with the Cardinals in 2011. He retired on December 9, 2011.

International career
Franklin was a member of the gold medal-winning Team USA at the 2000 Olympics, where he had a 3–0 pitching record in four appearances.

Personal life
He is married to Angie Romberg, and the couple has four children: Logan, Teegan, Casen, and Kaylin. He and his family live in Shawnee, Oklahoma. His nephew, Kohl, is a professional baseball player in the Chicago Cubs organization.

On August 2, 2005, Franklin became the eighth MLB player, and second Mariner, to test positive for steroid use, receiving a 10-day suspension. On December 13, 2007, he was named in the Mitchell Report.

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Staphylococcus hominis

Staphylococcus hominis is a coagulase-negative member of the bacterial genus Staphylococcus, consisting of Gram-positive, spherical cells in clusters. It occurs very commonly as a harmless commensal on human and animal skin and is known for producing thioalcohol compounds that contribute to body odour. Like many other coagulase-negative staphylococci, S. hominis may occasionally cause infection in patients whose immune systems are compromised, for example by chemotherapy or predisposing illness.

Description
Colonies of S. hominis are small, usually 1–2 mm in diameter after 24 hours' incubation at 35 °C, and white or tan in colour. Occasionally, strains are resistant to novobiocin and may be confused with other resistant species (e.g. S. saprophyticus).

It is one of only two species of Staphylococcus to display sensitivity to desferrioxamine, the other being S. epidermidis. Unlike S. epidermidis, S. hominis produces acid from trehalose, so the two tests together serve to identify the species.

Biology
Numerous coagulase-negative staphylococci appear commonly on human skin. Of these species, S. epidermidis and S. hominis are the most abundant. While S. epidermidis tends to colonize the upper part of the body, S. hominis tends to colonize in areas with numerous apocrine glands, such as axillae and the pubic region. In a certain study, S. hominis was calculated to account for 22% of the total staphylococcal species recovered from individuals, second to S. epidermidis at 46%. S. hominis is the predominant species on the head, axillae, arms, and legs.

S. hominis, as well as most other staphylococcal species common on the human skin, is able to produce acid aerobically from glucose, fructose, sucrose, trehalose, and glycerol. Some strains were also able to produce acid from turanose, lactose, galactose, melezitose, mannitol, and mannose. Most strains colonize on the skin for relatively short periods of time compared to other Staphylococcus species. They, on average, stay on the skin for only several weeks or months.

The cell wall contains low amounts of teichoic acid and glutamic acid. The cell wall teichoic acid contains glycerol and glucosamine.

S. hominis cells are Gram-positive cocci, usually 1.2 to 1.4 μm in diameter. They appear normally in tetrads and sometimes in pairs.

Resistance
Based on a total of 240 strains, all were resistant to lysozyme, some were slightly resistant to lysostaphin, 77% were susceptible to penicillin G, 97% to streptomycin, 93% to erythromycin, 64% to tetracycline, and 99% to novobiocin.

Multi drug resistant strains of s. hominis have been isolated from blood and wound cultures in humans.

Culturing
When grown in agar cultures, colonies are usually circular, 4.0 to 4.5 mm in diameter. Agar colonies usually have wide edges and an elevated center. They are commonly smooth with dull surfaces, and are yellow-orange pigmented in the center of the opaque colonies. They grow both in aerobic and anaerobic conditions, but tend to grow significantly less in the latter. Optimal NaCl concentrations of the agar culture for the growth of S. hominis seem to be around 7.5%, and a salt concentration of 15% yielded poor growth to no growth at all. The optimal growth temperature range was around 28 to 40 °C, but good growth is still observed at 45 °C, while no growth is observed at 15 °C.

S. hominis can be differentiated from staphylococci by its colony morphology and pigmentation patterns, predominant tetrad cell arrangement, poor growth in thioglycolate, low tolerance of NaCl, and carbohydrate reaction pattern. Each species is also significantly different in cell wall composition, lactic acid configuration, temperature extremes of growth, coagulase activity, hemolysis acetylmethylcarbinol production, nitrate reduction, and phosphatase, DNase, and bacteriolytic activities. Similarities in these properties between S. hominis and several other species suggest a close relationship between S. hominis and S. epidermidis, S. haemolyticus, and S. warneri.

Antibiotic-resistant subspecies
Staphylococcus hominis is normally found on human skin and is usually harmless, but can sometimes cause infections in people with abnormally weak immune systems. Most, if not all, strains are susceptible to penicillin, erythromycin, and novobiocin, but a divergent strain, S. hominis subsp. novobiosepticus (SHN), was isolated between 1989 and 1996.

This strain was named so because of its unique resistance to novobiocin and its failure to produce acid aerobically from trehalose and glucosamine. In addition, the 26 isolated strains of this new subspecies are resistant to nalidixic acid, penicillin G, oxacillin, kanamycin, and streptomycin. They were also somewhat resistant to methicillin and gentamicin, and most strains were resistant to erythromycin, clindamycin, chloramphenicol, trimethoprim/sulfamethoxazole, and ciprofloxacin, as well. In addition, S. hominis hominis is commonly found isolated from human skin, but as of 1998, no SHN isolate from human skin had been reported.

The SHN is so similar to the original S. hominis, now called S. hominis subsp. hominis, that in 2010, a MicroScan system that clinical microbiology laboratories used, identified 7 of 31 S. hominis novobiosepticus cultures as S. hominis hominis. The relationship between the two was unknown, but antibiotic-resistant isolates of S. hominis belonged only to SHN.

SHN strains seems to have thickened cell walls, which can be the result of a genetic background that also allows for vancomycin resistance. The thickened cell walls exist in subspecies with and without vancomycin resistance which suggests this subspecies did not originate from the acquiring of resistance genes.

Origin
The combined resistance to novobiocin and oxacillin is hypothesized to have originated from a simultaneous introduction of genes controlling the resistance to the two. These genes were believed to have been acquired originally through heterologous DNA from a methicillin-resistant strain of one of the novobiocin-resistant species belonging to the S. sciuri or the S. saprophyticus groups. The larger genome size of the SHN compared to that of S. hominis hominis may be the result of the acquiring of heterologous DNA. This new, divergent strain was first described in 1998, and was first implicated in causing bacteremia in 2002.

Another hypothesis is the insertion of the mec A gene and its flanking sequence into the chromosome of SHN might have affected the expression of a closely linked gene, which converted the host to become novobiocin-resistant.

Recent cases
In 2002 and 2003, 32 isolates of SHN were found in 21 patients. Twenty-three of these were from blood cultures, six from catheters, one from cerebrospinal fluid, one from a wound, and one from external ear fluid. Eighteen of the 21 patients from whom these isolates were recovered were neonates, one was a 13-year-old boy, and two were adults.

Thirteen of these cases were confirmed as sepsis in neonates resulting from SHN infection. These were the first clinical reports of SHN causing bacteremia in hospitalized patients. SHN infections were high in morbidity, but had a low rate of mortality. More undocumented instances of SHN infections may not have been reported because not all coagulase-negative staphylococcal infections are identified to the species level.

Molecular epidemiology was successful in tracing 13 cases of sepsis in neonates to a single clone of SHN during a two-year study period in neonatal ICUs. Formal investigation regarding the mode of transmission this microbe uses were not conducted, but infants are believed to serve as reservoirs for the microorganism, and transmission takes place with contact between health workers and the infants. In addition, staphylococcal isolates from the nasopharynges and hands of health care workers were shown to be genetically similar to those that colonize or cause disease in neonates. This supports the idea that health workers serve as a form of nosocomial transmission of coagulase-negative staphylococi.

If SHN indeed takes residence on human skin, it probably exists in small numbers and would require enrichment for detection.

SHN has also been responsible for nosocomial outbreaks elsewhere. SHN strains have been causing bloodstream infections, but have still been classified as vancomycin-susceptible.

In May 2015, two babies from Simojovel rural communities of Chiapas, Mexico, were killed and about 30 required medical attention after receiving vaccines for Hepatitis B, the Mexican Social Security Institute (IMSS) launched an investigation to identify the cause of such events, the preliminary results showed that the cause was external contamination with Staphylococcus hominis.

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It Takes a Family

It Takes a Family is a 2005 book by then Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum. The title is a response to the 1996 book It Takes a Village by then-First Lady Hillary Clinton. In the book, Santorum states that the family structure is necessary. He argues that liberal social policies have devastated the family structure and that prevailing socially liberal attitudes have systematically devalued families across the board. He argues that government should take a proactive role in promoting strong families.

Summary
Santorum criticizes alike laissez-faire conservatives and liberal proponents of social welfare for promoting a radical view of autonomy. In particular, he criticizes the "bigs" -- "big government, big media, big entertainment, big universities." He also says that radical feminists are responsible for undermining the traditional family.

He explained his views in an interview with National Public Radio:

"They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do. Government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulation low and that we shouldn't get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn't get involved in cultural issues, you know, people should do whatever they want. Well, that is not how traditional conservatives view the world, and I think most conservatives understand that individuals can't go it alone, that there is no such society that I'm aware of where we've had radical individualism and that it succeeds as a culture."

Reception
Many sympathetic reviews came from politically and religiously conservative organizations and leaders, who welcomed the book as refreshing and bold. The book was praised by conservative Christian media leaders James Dobson and Pat Robertson and promoted through their organizations, as well as by the conservative magazine National Review, which printed a series of excerpts from the book. The magazine's book service called the book's ideas "innovative" and "based on sound values — including the centrality of the family to all social and political life." A review by Keith Fournier in Catholic Online likewise praises the book, saying, "The author's discussion of how to create a family friendly public policy which promotes fidelity and encourages motherhood, fatherhood and intact families is well thought out and practical."

Many reviews were critical of Santorum's work. Claiming that Santorum's social vision was anything but innovative or refreshing, one reviewer for The Philadelphia Inquirer referred to Santorum as "one of the finest minds of the Thirteenth Century". Writing for American Prospect Online, reviewer Mark Schmitt argues that the book fails to present a unified case for how social conservatism is served by laissez-faire economic policies, yet urges readers to commit to both; he also asserts that the author offers several solutions already proposed by his opposition, while criticizing the opposition's failure to provide solutions.

Ruth Conniff, reviewing the book for The Progressive, comments that certain arguments and examples in the book are seemingly at odds. As an example, the reviewer points out that a success story cited by Santorum as an example of a single mother getting off welfare actually showcases a number of strategies the senator opposes — leaving the children's father, use of public shelters, and use of welfare to support the family while getting an education, rather than leaving school to take a job.

Passages from It Takes a Family generated controversy during Santorum's 2006 reelection campaign, as well as during his 2012 presidential campaign.

In 2005, when Santorum was on Capitol Hill, then-Senator Hillary Clinton teased him, "Remember, Rick, it takes a village!" Santorum took it in stride, telling Christian Science Monitor, "She was joking - but in every joke there's something," he says. "So was it a little dig? Yeah, it was both. But it was nicer. ... I took it in good spirit."

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Double dribble

In basketball, an illegal dribble (colloquially called a double dribble or dribbling violation) occurs when a player ends their dribble by catching or causing the ball to come to rest in one or both hands and then dribbles it again with one hand or when a player touches it before the ball hits the ground. The dribble also ends when the dribbler palms/carries the ball by allowing it to come to rest in one or both hands. This is a palming/carrying the ball violation if the player continues with another dribble.

There is no violation during the jump ball, a throw-in or a free throw.

Official NBA rules
In the National Basketball Association, a dribble is movement of the ball, caused by a player in control, who throws or touches the ball into the air or to the floor.

The dribble ends when the player:
 * 1) Touches the ball simultaneously with both hands.
 * 2) Permits the ball to come to rest while the player is in control of it.
 * 3) Touches the ball more than once while dribbling, before it touches the floor.

FIBA rule
Art. 24.2 of the FIBA rules provides that:

A player shall not dribble for a second time after his first dribble has ended unless between the two dribbles he has lost control of a live ball on the playing court because of:
 * 1) A shot for a field goal.
 * 2) A touch of the ball by an opponent.
 * 3) A pass or fumble that has touched or been touched by another player.

Penalty
Under NCAA, NFHS and FIBA rules, if an illegal dribble violation occurs, then the ball is awarded to the opposing team out of bounds nearest the point where the violation took place. Under NBA rules, the ball is awarded to the opposing team at the nearest spot, but no closer to the end line than the free throw line extended.

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Queen Saovabha Memorial Institute

The Queen Saovabha Memorial Institute (QSMI) (สถานเสาวภา; ) in Bangkok, Thailand, is an institute that specialises in the husbandry of venomous snakes, the extraction and research of snake venom, and vaccines, especially rabies vaccine. It houses the snake farm, a popular tourist attraction.

The origins of the institute can be traced back to 1912 when King Rama VI granted permission for a government institute to manufacture and distribute rabies vaccine at the suggestion of Prince Damrong, whose daughter, Princess Banlusirisarn, died from rabies infection. It was officially opened on 26 October 1913 in the Luang Building on Bamrung Muang Road as the Pastura Institute after Louis Pasteur, who discovered the first vaccine against rabies. In 1917 it was renamed the Pasteur Institute and placed under the supervision of the Thai Red Cross Society. The institute also produced vaccine against smallpox. The Travel and Immunization Clinic is now located here. If offers vaccines and pre-travel consultation.

In the early-1920s the king offered his private property for the construction of a new home for the institute on Rama IV Road. The new buildings were officially opened on 7 December 1922, now named for the king's mother, Queen Saovabha Phongsri. At the same time, the institute's first director, Dr. Leopold Robert, requested contributions from foreigners living in Thailand for the establishment of a snake farm, which would enable the institute to manufacture antivenom for snake bites. Reportedly the second snake farm in the world after Instituto Butantan in São Paulo, Brazil, it was opened on 22 November 1923 by Queen Savang Vadhana, then President of the Thai Red Cross, on the institute's premises.

Research into snake venom is highly important, since many people fall victim to venomous snake bites. Normally only an antidote that is based from the same snake's venom can save the individual's life.

The snake farm houses thousands of some of the most venomous snakes in the world, such as the king cobra and all sorts of vipers. Visitors can see handlers interact with pythons, and venom extractions can be seen. There is also a museum, and lectures are given.

The QSMI and the snake farm are near Chulalongkorn Hospital, on the corner of Henri Dunant Road and Rama IV Road.

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Talk:Vaikunda Avatharam

This doesn't just need copyediting or wikifying, it needs a major rewrite. I can't make heads or tails of what's going on here, otherwise I'd do the rewrite myself. Christiant 21:06, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree; unfortunately, this whole series of articles is mostly being added (with badly-formed titles, categories, etc.), and often written very obscurely) by one eitor whose first language isn't English. I'm trying to keep up, but he's producing a lot of stuff, and sometimes (as here) I'm like you — unable to do much because I can't make sense of it. --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 06:48, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Ayya Vaikundar
I just copy edited a page called Ayya Vaikundar that apparently is about the same character (no disrespect intended). The two articles need to be combined, but I am unaware of this history, so I do not feel comfortable doing it. Steven McCrary 15:04, 07/13/05 (UTC).
 * it looks like it's been done - Christiant

 * Oh, that was me — sorry. I did it before I noticed this comment. --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 21:49, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Steven McCrary retrieved the following message from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Stevenwmccrary58", "Title Vaikunda Avatharam-I am here to suggest that though the two titles seems alike they were extremely different. While the topic Ayya Vaikundar tells the Incarnation of Vaikundar which follows the the life of Muthukutty, the title Vaikunda Avatharam narrates in a mythical way following the life of Sampooranathevan. According to Akilattirattu Sampooranathevan was one among the Devas, who takes birth in this world. Mind you Sampooranathevan was a mythical figure while Muthukutty was an ordinary man in the society who was also noted in the history. Also the name Muthukutty was not even mentioned once in Akilattirattu. So in brief the title Ayya Vaikundar views the incarnation in a historical point while the title Vaikunda Avatharam views it from a mythical point. So better the title not to redirect. If you still feels uncomfortable please send me messages . Iam the one who created that article and as Mel Etitis says in the discussion page Iam not a native to English and not so fluent with the language. So please understand my difficulties and try to do your best in helping me in writing articles. -Vaikunda Raja" 19:59 14 July 2005 (UTC) Steven McCrary 01:35, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * I believe that I must continue to advocate for the combination of the articles Vaikunda Avatharam, Ayya Vaikundar, Muthukutty, and Sampooranathevan, into one article. Although these characters (again no disrespect intended) are viewed as separate entities in the minds of the faithful, and indeed that may be true, nevertheless these individuals are represented by only one (and the same) human being on earth.  To me, separate articles on them is confusing.  Any other opinions?   Steven McCrary 01:52, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

(from my Talk page:) You had redirected Vaikunda Avatharam to Ayya Vaikundar. I am here to suggest that though the two titles seems alike they were extremely different. While the topic Ayya Vaikundar tells the Incarnation of Vaikundar which follows the the life of Muthukutty, the title Vaikunda Avatharam narrates in a mythical way following the life of Sampooranathevan. According to Akilattirattu Sampooranathevan was one among the Devas, who takes birth in this world. Mind you Sampooranathevan was a mythical figure while Muthukutty was an ordinary man in the society who was also noted in the history. Also the name Muthukutty was not even mentioned once in Akilattirattu. So in brief the title Ayya Vaikundar views the incarnation in a historical point while the title Vaikunda Avatharam views it from a mythical point. So better the title not to redirect. If you still want to do please send me messages before and place the reason. - Vaikunda Raja

(my reply:) But your article on Vaikunda Avatharam starts by referring to him as Ayya Vaikundar — it's unclear why you think that two different articles are needed about one person. He may well have existed in reality as well as having mythical status, but that's something that can be brought out and discussed in the single article, surely? The same sort of thing has been discussed at Jesus; there was probably a real person to whom that name refers, but much of what's said about him by Christians is mythological in character. The suggestion that the article be split into Jesus and Jesus Christ (in what's known as a PoV fork) was rejected, and Jesus Christ merely redirects to Jesus. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 09:10, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Considering the precedent set with the Jesus article, I agree with you & Steven. Christiant 14:26, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Princess Augusta of Saxe-Gotha

Requested move 2006

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inconclusive; I've moved pursuant to current WP naming standards. — Nightst a  llion  (?) 09:26, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Augusta of Saxe-Gotha → Princess Augusta of Saxe-Gotha … Rationale: Move back to correct name given current WP conventions on the naming of royals (Augusta never became queen-consort). Charles 01:25, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

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 * Support As nominator. Charles 01:25, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose. She is generally well known by this name version; and the version "Princess Augusta of Saxe-Gotha" is quite bad, as it implies only to her childhood and is actually against the usage of so-called historical names for dynastical women. Moreover, I doubt that the title "Princess" was not yet at that time in an established use in these "courtesy" cases - that century is a borderzone. Shilkanni 01:35, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Support Wikipedia rules are quite clear on non-queen consorts. Gryffindor  10:21, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Support as above. Craigy (talk) 11:01, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I realise that those who are supporting the move do so in the belief that there is a guideline covering this situation, but they are mistaken in this case.  The suggested title, "Princess Augusta of Saxe-Gotha", would be completely incorrect.  She was only a Princess of Saxe-Gotha until her marriage, and ceased to be one afterwards.  She is universally known as "Augusta of Saxe-Gotha" because of her almost unique position as a Princess of Wales who never became queen.  Princess of Wales was the highest title she ever held, and thus the one we would use on wikipedia, but we cannot use this in the title of the article because her title was "The Princess of Wales" (not, as some may mistakenly believe, "Augusta, Princess of Wales").  The Princess of Wales is not the same as a Crown Princess, because the title is associated with a territory -- in Augusta's time, the Prince of Wales still received the revenues from Wales.  The only other person in an analogous position to Augusta was Joan of Kent, who is correctly located at "Joan of Kent". Deb 19:36, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment Where in any of the Saxon house laws does it state that a princess loses her title upon marriage? That is up to you to prove. Other royals, number 11: Use the most senior title received by a royal personage. Augusta was not granted the title of Princess of Wales. She became one by marriage. If she had held a title in her own right, she would be titled as such (E.g. Victoria, Princess Royal, not at German Empress Victoria). Joan of Kent is from an era where women were referred to by their father's title in lieu of a surname. Remember, Joan of Kent is from mediaeval England (no set surnames, no specific titles for agnates of the English royal house) and Augusta is from much later Germany. Charles 19:56, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * This is what is known as sophistry. Deb 20:16, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Support As the maiden name rule applied generally involves reverting to the pre-marital title and it is monarchical consorts who are referred to without title designation (ie, princess, etc, with the exception of early mediaeval personages, both non-royal and royal, who used the format also), IMHO Augusta should be at Princess. Sorry Debs, we disagree on this one. (Is this a first??? lol) FearÉIREANN [[Image:Map of Ireland's capitals.png|15px]]\(caint)|undefined 20:55, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * No, not a first, but I'm amazed that you could think this is a possible option. Had you said it should be at "Augusta, Princess of Wales", I might have understood, but for you to suggest that we should revert to the pre-marital title is beyond my comprehension. Deb 21:28, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * But dear Deb, I've always been advocating using the MT format. That is the standard biographical format for deceased spouses of royalty and has been for over 600 years!!! That is why historians refer to Catherine of Aragon, Mary of Modena, Mary of Teck and why they now increasingly refer to Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon, etc with the lack of the princess in the earlier ones indicating that they were monarchical spouses rather than merely royal spouses. FearÉIREANN [[Image:Map of Ireland's capitals.png|15px]]\(caint)|undefined 23:59, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Oppose Augusta, Princess of Wales would have some point and reflect actual usage (390 hits). The proposal has no advantage whatever; and is an example of why the maiden name rule is a guideline only; it can guide us over a cliff, as here. Septentrionalis 21:49, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm astonished you wrote that. Augusta, Princess of Wales means Augusta, former wife of the Prince of Wales. Was she divorced from him? No. Then that title is a non-runner. , is exclusively the format for divorcees, hence Diana, Princess of Wales after her divorce. Just because a few illiterate morons on websites misunderstand Diana's title and think it is the title of a Princess of Wales, not an ex-Princess of Wales, and then apply their screw-up to the previous Princesses of Wales, does not justify us making a similar faux pas. After all hundreds of websites insist that the heir apparent to the British throne is some guy called Charles Windsor!!! One dares say that Charles Mountbatten-Windsor, the guy's actual name according to the Palace, is less than amused.  FearÉIREANN [[Image:Map of Ireland's capitals.png|15px]]\(caint)|undefined 23:59, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I wrote it too (see above). The point Septentrionalis is making is the same - that this title, though incorrect, would be more in keeping with our understanding of the guidelines.  For me, Crown Princess is not at all the same thing as Princess of Wales. Deb 11:52, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Discussion
The move of this back to Augusta of Saxe-Gotha was rather silly. The current naming conventions state that the form Name of Place is reserved for sovereigns and the consorts of sovereigns. Augusta was neither a queen-consort nor was she the duchess of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg. Charles 01:25, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

 * I find the wording "silly" quite offensive. My experience about its writer tells quite many similar, or even more severe if possible, epithets about doings of the said writer. Shilkanni 01:40, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Be offended elsewhere. This is not the place for discussion about me. Charles 01:41, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Could I request you Charles to actually be elsewhere altogether. As this encyclopedia is actually intended for editors who make contributions to the contents of the encyclopedia and are somewhat knowledgeable about subjects they write about. Shilkanni 01:45, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Take it to my talk page if you have anything to say to me. Charles 01:46, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

 * There is no consensus over such naming convention Charles above indicates to. Possibly some mistakes had been made in formulation of wordings in certain guidelines, but never ever anywhere has there been a consensus to abandon the historical naming system regarding consots who did not become queens. Deb has in this case been quite correct in applying the historical naming practice, well-established in respectable works of reference; and particularly in undoing a move to a quite bad form of name. Shilkanni 01:40, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

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Saxe-Gotha
AFAIK there has never been a Frederick II, Duke of Saxe-Gotha. Maybe Frederick II, Duke of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg is meant? Känsterle 21:06, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Move to Augusta of Saxe-Gotha
Please note that this page was recently moved to "Princess Augusta of Saxe-Gotha" without consultation or being raised on the requested moves page. I have moved it back to the title which it has been at for several years. If anyone else thinks it should be moved, please let's have a proper discussion first. Deb 19:38, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

 * The name "Augusta of Saxe-Gotha" goes against current naming conventions for royals on Wikipedia. The name it was at for years was so because a) she may be of little interest and b) naming conventions may have changed since the article was started and she was overlooked. Charles 19:47, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Even if the above statements were correct, it would not be a reason to move the page without consensus. Deb 22:01, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

 * I can't help but turn it around and say the exact same: You moved the page without consensus to a form reserved for consorts and sovereigns. Charles 23:05, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Augusta was the consort of the Prince of Wales. This was the highest title she held, therefore to place her at "Princess ___ of Saxe-Gotha" would be contrary to the naming conventions. QED.  Deb 23:12, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

 * The Prince of Wales was not a sovereign. Consort is taken to mean the consort of a sovereign. That is how it is practiced on Wikipedia. Please do not cite royal naming conventions on Wikipedia when you are haphazardly applying them with no regard to the distinction between a Prince of Wales and a king, emperor, grand duke, etc. Charles 23:16, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

 * I won't dignify this with a response. If you have a proposal for a valid move, then please place it on the Requested Moves page and we will put it to the vote. Deb 10:18, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Requested move
CLOSING: Not moved. Courcelles 17:00, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Princess Augusta of Saxe-Gotha → — because the state that her father ruled was the duchy of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg not the duchy of Saxe-Gotha. - Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy 23:10, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

 * Comment For what it is worth, the British Monarchy website states: "George III was born on 4 June 1738 in London, the eldest son of Frederick, Prince of Wales, and Princess Augusta of Saxe-Gotha." (| George III (r. 1760-1820)) Generally, Augusta appears to be called "Augusta of Saxe-Gotha" more often than "Augusta of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg," but both names appear in sources. You could say that "Saxe-Gotha" is just a shorten version of "Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg" just as "Saxe-Coburg" is sometimes used in place of "Saxe-Coburg and Gotha." In the end, I do not have strong feelings about the matter as long as a redirect remains at whichever name is not used for the article.AaronTheTypoWarrior (talk) 08:15, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Unfortunatly, the British Monarchy website is not as reliable as people believe it is. If we trusted it completely, our list of Kings of Great Britain would start with James I & VI. Anyway, I do not have a particularly strong opinion about the title either but those who choose to voice theirs should consider both common name principle and accuracy. Surtsicna (talk) 13:10, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The duchy of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg and the members of its ruling family were never actually called that.  They were dukes of Saxe-Altenburg as well as Saxe-Gotha, but they never actually used the title "Prince of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg".  (This is unlike Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, which was actually used).  Personally, I'd prefer just moving her to Augusta, Princess of Wales to avoid the whole issue - it is a unique name, and it is the one she is best known by.  The tyranny of maiden names ought to be brought to an end.  As it stands, I will not support an even longer name for this article. john k (talk) 13:30, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * BTW, to address jtdirl and Deb's point in the early RM in response to Septentrionalis's identical suggestion of "Augusta, Princess of Wales," that title does not in the slightest imply the divorced wife of a prince of Wales. Obviously Augusta would have been referred to as HRH The Princess of Wales during her lifetime, but after she had died, "Augusta, Princess of Wales" would absolutely be what people said to distinguish her from other princesses of Wales.  If there are multiple dowagers for a single peerage title, they are referred to as "Mary, Countess of Westingham" and "Anne, Countess of Westingham" to distinguish them from each other.  We have numerous articles on peeresses at such forms, and it doesn't even vaguely imply that they are divorced.  Note also that our article on the Countess of Wessex is at Sophie, Countess of Wessex, and well it should be. john k (talk) 13:37, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Support per NCROY. FactStraight (talk) 08:10, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose She just isn't called that - and Wikipedia shouldn't invent names for people. I concur with john k about ending the "tyranny of maiden names".  In spite of the fact that I am a devout Jacobite and don't believe for one minute that this lady was actually "Princess of Wales", I would support a move to "Augusta, Princess of Wales" since that is what she is commonly known as. The Dictionary of National Biography doesn't mention Altenburg. Noel S McFerran (talk) 13:47, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose I agree that the royal website is not an ideal source but the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (article written by John Bullion) calls her "Princess Augusta of Saxe-Gotha", and it does appear to be the favored form in academia: 78 google scholar hits for current title 0 google scholar hits for proposed target. DrKiernan (talk) 10:46, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - this variation is absolutely never used in real life. Deb (talk) 11:26, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Per john k's statement. [tk]'   XANDERLIPTAK  14:41, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose the proposed move for the reasons already given. But either dropping the "Princess" from the present title, or changing to "Augusta, Princess of Wales", would apparently lead to a significantly more commonly used name (per Google Books, at least). And as I read WP:NCROY, it actually implies Augusta, Princess of Wales - could the guideline have got it right for once?--Kotniski (talk) 17:49, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

What is issue?
Issue... had issue... no issue... what does this mean? There is no explanation nor a link to an explanation. I'm well read and I can't believe I've never heard this term. Looking it up, it appears to mean offspring or progeny. For this reason, I am going to add "...or progeny" for others who are a confused as I was when I first read this. MagnoliaSouth (talk) 05:52, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Issue = biological children, i.e. excluding adopted children. Progeny = descendants. Thus, "issue" is not synonymous with "progeny". Even if it were, there would be no need for both words. Surtsicna (talk) 09:33, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

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Kew
The article says: "Princess Augusta enlarged and greatly extended Kew Gardens after her husband's death. Sir William Chambers built several garden structures for her. One of these, the lofty Chinese pagoda built in 1761, still remains.[6]." But actually several remain, the other big one is the Orangery. Davidnugget (talk) 22:53, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Precedence
Do we know what precedence she held during her son's reign? She had never been a queen consort, and there is no place for the sovereign's mother otherwise. Robin S. Taylor (talk) 18:24, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 21 September 2022

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 13:53, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Princess Augusta of Saxe-Gotha → Augusta, Princess of Wales – The title is consistent with other people that have held the title such as Catherine, Princess of Wales and Diana, Princess of Wales. She was never queen and upon the death of her husband, her title was Augusta, Princess of Wales. Interstellarity (talk) 15:12, 21 September 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 17:45, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

 * Oppose. This is a totally different case from Diana, Princess of Wales - who was called that only after she ceased to be "The Princess of Wales", and I'm not convinced that the article for Catherine is at a good title either. Joan of Kent is a more appropriate analogy. The article on Augusta should properly be at Augusta of Saxe-Gotha, which is what the history books call her, but was controversially moved many years ago. Deb (talk) 15:40, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

 * Support – the Royal Collection Trust refers to her as Augusta, Princess of Wales. cookie monster   755  16:24, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * That's not a great example. They actually "refer to" her as simply "Augusta". The article title is "Augusta, Princess of Wales (1719-72)". If you're looking for examples, the NPG calls her "Augusta of Saxe-Gotha, Princess of Wales", as do some history books. This would be a better title but is rather long-winded. More recent books, like Mary Beacock Fryer's 1996 book, call her simply "Augusta of Saxe-Gotha". Deb (talk) 09:21, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Support EmilySarah99 (talk) 05:51, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The standard for historical royal woman seems to be to refer to them by their birth titles.2601:241:300:B610:C479:CF14:9F1:F4F2 (talk) 22:33, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose: Per arguments above Unlimitedlead (talk) 02:30, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

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 * Comment - Actually, upon her husband's death, she became Dowager Princess of Wales. GoodDay (talk) 17:48, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - per WP:COMMONNAME - I've read many articles about her that I've found on the internet and many (but not all) historical sites do label her as "Augusta, Princess of Wales", maybe just change/move the page name to "Augusta, Princess of Wales" but keep the text in the main description as "Princess Augusta of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg" or "Augusta of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg" similar to the pages of Albert, Prince Consort and Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother. Pawpaw442 (talk) 17:48, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Ignorance appears to be at work here. Albert was consort of a monarch, as was the Queen Mother. Neither was ever either Prince or Princess of Wales. Deb (talk) 14:21, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per above comments. Rreagan007 (talk) 18:22, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Shwcz (talk) 20:04, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose As Deb mentioned, Joan of Kent was also Princess of Wales, but we tend to keep the page titles at the subjects' maiden names especially if they are deceased, because there's a chance that someone with the exact same first name might carry the title in the future. So at this point this move would go against WP:TITLECON as it disrupts an established pattern. Other examples include Princess Victoria of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld who was Duchess of Kent and Strathearn, Princess Marina of Greece and Denmark who was Duchess of Kent, Princess Helen of Waldeck and Pyrmont who was Duchess of Albany, etc. Not to mention that there's a high probability that page on Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother will be moved in the future, as deceased consorts have to be referred to by their maiden names per WP:NCROY, and her maiden name appears to be common enough and will be more commonly used now that her daughter's reign is over. Keivan.f  Talk 05:53, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose. Both forms of the name are common and in use, so common name arguments don't apply, but neither does the consistency argument. The current article title is consistent with other royal brides, who are at their maiden names. Consequently, the opening rationale has no strength and there's no reason for a move. Celia Homeford (talk) 07:54, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 9 June 2023

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus that the existing title is preferable under WP:NCROY and WP:CONSISTENT. (closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:13, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Princess Augusta of Saxe-Gotha → Augusta of Saxe-Gotha – This is the proper title of the article. Interstellarity (talk) 11:13, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

 * Strong (procedural) Oppose - No policies or guidelines were given to support the move, which contradicts WP:NCROY. estar8806 (talk) ★ 02:30, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose That is a format mainly used for queens consort (WP:CONSORTS) not the wives of princes. It would disrupt the consistency (WP:TITLECON) with Princess Margaret of Connaught, Princess Märtha of Sweden, Princess Marina of Greece and Denmark, etc., two of whom were actually married to men who later became kings, unlike Augusta's husband. The suggested title violates WP:NCROY which states If a prince(ss) holds a substantive title but is not widely known by it, use "Prince(ss) {first name} of ...". or When dealing with a Crown Prince(ss) (however not consort) of a state, use the form "{name}, Crown Prince(ss) of {state}" unless there is a formal title that unambiguously implies their status as crown prince. Thus, the name for this page could either be Princess Augusta of Saxe-Gotha or Augusta, Princess of Wales. An attempt to move the page to the latter failed a couple of months ago, as it violated WP:TITLECON (among other reasons). Keivan.f  Talk 12:05, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose per above.2601:249:9301:D570:29BD:A34B:248A:C785 (talk) 13:11, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Support. This is how she is normally known and is thoroughly appropriate. It should never have been moved to its present title. Deb (talk) 17:42, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Her name was "Augusta of Saxe-Gotha"; no one is disputing that and those words are part of the article title already. The prefix "Princess" is necessary to keep the page consistent with articles about wives of other heirs to the throne who either died before their husband's ascension or the husband himself died before sitting on the thron (examples include Princess Frederica Charlotte of Prussia, Princess Margaret of Connaught, Princess Märtha of Sweden, etc.). We really do not need to violate WP:TITLECON and WP:NCROY to create an exception just for Augusta. Keivan.f  Talk 17:50, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Not correct. Wikipedia tries to avoid titles, and the title "Princess...of Saxe-Gotha" is the one she held before she became Princess of Wales, thus the "Princess" part of it ceased to become valid once she achieved higher rank. See other Princesses of Wales, e.g. Caroline of Ansbach, Joan of Kent. None of your examples are relevant in this case, as all were princesses by marriage. Deb (talk) 08:40, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * thus the "Princess" part of it ceased to become valid once she achieved higher rank. The title of Princess did not exist in its current form when Joan of Kent was around. Even though she was the granddaughter of a king, she was not referred to as "Princess Joan" to the best of my knowledge. Also, unlike Augusta, Caroline of Ansbach became a queen consort thus WP:CONSORTS applies to her. None of your examples are relevant in this case, as all were princesses by marriage. That is factually incorrect. Princess Margaret of Connaught was the daughter of Prince Arthur, Duke of Connaught and Strathearn and upon marriage became "Crown Princess of Sweden" which is a higher title than "Princess…of Connaught". Princess Märtha of Sweden was also the granddaughter of Oscar II and became "Crown Princess of Norway"; again a higher title than her previous one. The way their pages has been titled is exactly in line with how WP:NCROY outlines how the pages of crown princesses or wives of heirs to the throne should be named. Keivan.f  Talk 11:59, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

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