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User talk:TShilo12/Archive 3

"Get well soon"
Hey Tomer, hope you get back soon. Like you told me before: don't let trolls get to you. Cheers. --Moritz 09:27, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

FrenchPolynesia-geo-stub
Hi Tomer - Geo-stubs are often being debated for possible further split at WikiProject Stub sorting/Criteria, and I seem to have become a sort of de facto "keeper of the geo-stubs" (I did a lot of the initial splitting by countries, and have kept track of how many there are in many of the larger "grouped" geo-stubs need splitting into smaller regions. In the case of French Polynesia, over 30% of the Oceania stubs were from these, so it made sense to split it that way (splits tend to go ahead when a new category would have 60-80 stubs minimum). As to the name, the abbreviation would have been easier to use, but the wikiproject tends to avoid them in case they're ambiguous. Thanks for your offer of help, BTW - if you're willing to help move stubs between categories any time, the WikiProject criteria page I mentioned above is the best place to see what is being split and will need moving! Cheers, Grutness...  wha?  07:21, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * :) That happens sometimes when there';s one busy editor working on a particular country. If Trinidad and Tobago gets its own stub template (which it may do - there are about 60 geo-stubs from there), it'll all be User:Guettarda's doing - so it doesn't surprise me if there was a busy FP editor at work! Grutness...  wha?  07:43, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Hi again - I think, since all the Marquesas are part of French Polynesia, those articles should just be marked with the Marquesas category, and that whole category should be a subcategory of the French Polynesia one, rather than the individual articles being linked directly to both categories. As to the threshold, that's not for categories overall, that's just for stub categories (and it's a guideline rather than a hard-and-fast rule), since stub categories are used by editors rather than general readers, there are different guidelines for them. There's no point having a stub category with only a handful of articles in it, and there's also no point having one that's so big that editors can't find what they want to edit, so the stub sorting wikiproject uses approximate guidelines of between about 60 and 600 articles as being reasonable size for a stub category that's going to be helpful to editors. If a stub category has over 600 items, we look to split it into more useful subcategories. If a potential category has under 60, it doesn't get made. That's why the oceania stubs were all in one category rather than having separate ones for all the individual countries. Grutness...  wha?  08:57, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * It's all discussed over at the page I mentioned before - WikiProject Stub sorting/Criteria. But, to be honest, I don't know how much support you'd get for the idea. It's a good one, but so much of the geo-stub splitting's already been done that I'm not sure how the splits you're proposing would fit in with the current scheme. And with over 40,000 geo-stubs in total from all countries, it would be a hell of a job to re-do them all! I agree that it means some countries will probably never get their own categories, but they'll still be in small enough categories that it will be easier to find them The three Tokelau ones, for instance (which I wrote, BTW :) will be in a category with only about 150 other stubs, so they should still be easy for editors to find, and they're there with other closely connected countries like Niue and the Cook Islands.. Grutness...  wha?  09:14, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Vandelism of the antisemitism page
I am extremely disgusted with your recent vandelism of good work on the antisemitism page; especially your erasure of scholarly links from the link section. I demand that at the very least you reinsert the links immediately!!! I will post this on the talk page as well. Sirkumsize 06:38, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Rfa
Okay, I'll bite. Yes, you probably would be a good candidate for rfa. You do seem to be a trouble-magnet, but that's partly the areas you work in (comments like the one immediately above here, for instance). You seem to remain calm in most situations, although a couple of them are a little bit of a worry (Wikipedia:Administrators%27 noticeboard#Jayjg - Tshilo12, for instance, although The Unforgiven does seem trollish). Having looked at your edits, though, there's nothing that either my current partner's ancestry or my ex's would complain about (Alice's matrilineal line's surname is Rosenbrock - east London Jewish; Lisa's father - a Polish Catholic - spent WWII in Dachau). If you want to be nominated, I'd be happy to do so... oh, and what is the "Igor test"? Grutness...  wha?  08:42, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

VFD
You voted at VFD on Authentic Matthew.

You said "Disputes about the additions to Matthew etc. go back to the time of the canonization of the NT".

I agree.

This is already discussed, or should be, at Biblical canon and Gospel of Matthew and Gospel of the Hebrews and Gospel of the Ebionites and Gospel of the Nazarenes.

But Authentic Matthew does not discuss this. It is an original research essay. All the worthwhile content (of which there was very little) has already been merged to the above articles, and the vast source text (which shouldn't go in articles anyway) is already at WikiSource.

I would appreciate it if you gave some thought to revisiting your vote. 20:03, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Template:Coor
can you look into reducing the spacing between the dimensions (°'") and the directions (NEWS)? for example, 10.05°N, -8.25°W shows up as [redacted], instead of 10°3′E 8°15′S although I think even that amount of spacing is a bit excessive.  Tomer TALK  21:18, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

 * It looks like the current format actually matches the Manual of Style for coordinates. I tend also to agree with that standard, as I think it is very clear.  You might want to bring this up on the talk page of the MoS. Otherwise, I'd be happy to help :). -- Netoholic @ 21:35, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Prime and double-prime are the standard symbols for minutes and seconds. ' and " are just approximations used frequently. -- Netoholic @ 22:14, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Jews in China
Nope, not yet. -- ran (talk) 12:45, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

Responded to your comment
Responded to your comment on my talk page. Kurt Weber 01:11, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

TfD on Template:Sofixit
First of all, I'd like to say that I am sorry that the trolls are getting to you. That is one of the bigger problems on the Wikipedia (along with a few regular Wikipedia editors who are problem editors and revert warriors). The list of subject matter that seems to be "troll bait" on the Wikipedia seems to be rather large and growing. Sometimes even what I would have thought was the most innocent of topics can attract wackos, kooks and trolls.

As for Template:Sofixit: Although the rewrite is better, I would personally rather see it die and then be resurrected as something much kinder and gentler (and with a new, less snide name). My wording would be something like:

 * Thank you for your suggestion. Since this is a Wiki that anyone can edit, one of our regular, helpful user-editors will probably take up your suggestion, but what you've suggested is also something that you can fix yourself. Editing a Wikipedia page is very simple—just click the "Edit this page" tab—and there are only a few essential formatting codes that are very easy to learn. Here's a good page for learning the Basic essentials of editing the Wikipedia and if you have any questions feel free to contact me on my Talk page. Blank Verse   ∅  07:23, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

As far as I know, there isn't a really good page on the Wikipedia that presents the minimum Basic essentials for editing the Wikipedia, so that page may have to be created. I see that as something probably very similar to some of the Welcome templates different users have created. The most important thing (and the biggest difference from the sofixit template), is that at the end of the template it has the person adding the template go the extra step by offering to help. Blank Verse  ∅  07:23, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

 * My big problem with the template, and the reason that I was the one who nominated it for deletion the first time, is that I have seen it used too many times where it was obvious that the intent of the use was to say "Hey clueless Noob, fix it yourself". Since I'm the only non-anon editor who has voted to delete during the current TFD sofixit is not going to get deleted this time either. What's worse, a few more people have found out about it and are going to start using it. With that in mind, I will support any and all efforts to rewrite, redesign, and gentlefy that template.

 * You can see in my version that I've tried to keep it as simple as possible, and with as few links as possible. I think that even the latest rewrite has too many links which I think will just confuse and intimidate new editors, and it has too many in-phrases like Be Bold, which I think will also confuse any new editors. All of that information, layed out in a simple, bulleted format, should be on the Basics page (Basic editing information?). Blank Verse   ∅  08:02, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Also, I agree with you idea that there really needs to be some basic GUIDE for editing on the Wikipedia. I can remember first making suggestions on article Talk pages because I was too intimidated to try to do the edits myself (and the editors on those pages were much too nice to use sofixit)). And then later trying to find out how to do things where you learned a little bit on one page, and then a little bit more on another page, and then you were referred to a page that explained absolutely everything you needed to know about XYZ as long as you already knew a little about ABC.

Well, this being a Wiki, the only way that page is going to be written is if you write it, or you and I write it. ;-) Blank Verse   ∅  08:02, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I am willing to help out, but right now I am trying to get the Southern California WikiProject going, so I will be spending more time on that effort. The Welcoming committee is the most logical place to look for more participants. Blank Verse   ∅  06:36, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Wisc-stub
''Hey Grutness (do you have a less abrasive sounding name?), you may or mayn't have noticed I created Template:Wisc-stub and a corresponding Category:Wisconsin stubs, based off Texas-stub and the corresponding category. If that was completely out of line, please thwap me GENTLY.''
 * Consider this a gentle thwap, then! You should go through WP:WSS/C, and at the very least keep to the naming guidelines. Which would make it Wisconsin-stub (hope you don't mind - I've redirected your template there). I've added the new template to the big list, though. Most of the region type stubs are more hassle than they're worth to get rid of once they're made. Just make sure you don't use it for geographical items like towns, river, etc, but only for items relating to the state in general (state history, symbols and the like), in the same way as Texas-stub and Hawaii-stub. Geographical templates are all XX-geo-stub, and are all more strictly controlled as far as their creation is concerned (Wisconsin is still a long way down the list of next creation there, too - have a look at User:Grutness/Geo-stub tallying. Oh, and it's James, BTW :). Grutness...  wha?  09:39, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

''OK, then, James. I think it should be pretty clear from the work Sasquatch and I have done, that the Wisconsin template is not meant to be a substub of US-midwest-geo-stub. I highly doubt that the time will ever come that there will be enough Wisconsin geo-stubs to ever support an independent geo-stub cat. That said, however, I don't think it's beyond belief to imagine that there are potentially sufficient stubs to warrant a separate Wisc-stub. That said, I only chose Wisc-stub instead of Wisconsin-stub bcz Wisc is basically univerally recognizable (for people who care, at least) as a shortened form of Wisconsin-stub and in that light, as a convenience to contributors, I went with it. In that light, while "Texas" is pretty-easily spelled, I would be willing to guess that the vast majority of Americans would be befuddled were they asked to spell "Wisconsin", to say nothing of "Massachusetts" (Massatwoshits), "Connecticut" (Conneddicut), "Tennessee" (Tennis Sea), and/or even "Rhode Island" (Road Island). Without going out of my way too far to belittle American typographiqueurs, nor wishing to stand trial for my belittling certain (Mass of Two Shits) states, so I chose to go with an abbreviation that is not only widely used, but almost universally recognized. Where do you live, btw? Kwinslund?''
 * Oh dear... I'm already in trouble with one Argentinian because I put his redirect at AR-geo-stub up for deletion... It's just standard stub-sorting practice to use the full name... and Wisconsin's certainly no more difficult than many states and places. "Universally recognised" is always a tricky one, too, because you may think so, but I'm sure that a lot of people in different parts of the world have never heard it used. I've had a look at the category, and there are a lot of geo-stubs there - I'd ask you if possible to do the same thing I've asked at Texas stubs and other categories like that - double-stub. Wisconsin could well eventually get its own geo-stub category, but as stub sorters we won't know it needs one unless the geo-stubs are in the US-midwest-geo-stub category to be counted (oops - didn't notice you'd already dealt with that. Good - thanks!. it's got over 40 geo-stubs, and we're using 80 as a cutt-off mark, so it's already more than half way there, and stubs are created at a huge rate. Also, a lot of people search for articles to improve based on geography, so it's useful for the editors. if you want to mark them as wisconsin items too, that's fine. But as for "Kwinslund", that's a gross insult! Never accuse a New Zealander of being Australian! Bleargh! (I'm from here) Grutness...  wha?  09:55, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Apologies if my tone seemed insulting - it was not intended to be so. And it does look like everything about the category and the way it is used is perfectly good as far as everything stubsortingesque is concerned, for which much thanks. I still believe that Wisconsin-stub is a more natural name, since the state's full name is the one most likely to be recognised everywhere, but it looks like we'll have to agree to disagree on that. The easiest way to see whether a category exists, BTW, is to look at the list of stub categories, either at WP:WSS/ST or Template messages/Stubs, or in Category:Stub categories, rather than using trial and error on a template name. (More beautiful than Dunedin? Never! ;) Grutness...  wha?  10:14, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you're right - it would be easier if there was some sort of link to all the templates/categories, but there's only so much you can do to a stub template before it gets unwieldy. it does link to Stub, which has all the info, but it's sort of "click here to click there so you can link to that", which isn't exactly the best way of doing things. As to lawyer-prone Jewish support for precedence, can I that plead my support for what doesn't instantly seem logical is due to my irish ancestry? :) (I thought you were going to bed...) Grutness...  wha?  10:32, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

''Going to bed laddy? Woat in bloaddy ell da geeven ye det eddia?''
 * Oy vey - to bed, already ;) Grutness...  wha?  10:54, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

WikiProject Wisconsin
Good job on the implementation of the Wisconsin-stub. What do you say we start WikiProject Wisconsin? Cheers. --BaronLarf 21:15, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

RE: Wisc Area Codes
Howdy. I wrote most of the info from personal knowledge. (I currently live in the 414 area code, have all my live, so I remember when 920, 262, and 414 were all 414.) As far as the dates, I don't exactly remember my sources, but I found them with a google search. As far as the rest of Wisc, unfortunatly, I don't know that much about them, so I would have to do as much research as the next wikipedian, unless they happen to live in those areas... -slowpokeiv 22:27, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Hmmmm...
... that's cool. I only ever divide up the vote when there is significant contention over the article :-) Ta bu shi da yu 05:04, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Cemetery
Obviously typing on here with a spell checker breeds spelling mistakes, at least for me. You know any way of changing the spelling of a category without starting over? (see my page for the misspelled categories. --Noitall 15:13, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

 * You were very helpful. Thank you and well done!  --Noitall 21:53, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

Poland-bias
Do you really think that it would just be prudent to warn people not to believe anything about Poland or Poland-related articles on WP? As an editor who has brought up more then 10 Polish-releted articles to FA (including fairly controversial subjects like Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, Polish-Soviet War, Władysław Sikorski, Polish September Campaign and History of Poland (1945-1989)) I cannot agree with such an accusation that Poland-related articles are biased. You are devaluating close to two years of my work, and many more by other contributors. Or are you implying that Polish-biased editors have taken over Peer Review, FAC and VfD sections? If you see bias in articles, there are ways to correct it - via editing preferably, VfDing and FARCing in other cases. If VfD or other voting goes not to your liking, please consider that it is not a global conspiracy targeting your views, but that possibility exists it was you who was in error. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 18:32, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

 * As I wrote, I took the 'Prokonsul' nickname because of a poem, not becouse it implies authority. Long time ago I thought whether to use nick or real name on the net, and decided to use the 'best of both worlds' instead. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 20:39, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Check your facts
Tomer, check your facts and edit history: 1) the edit you made was broken and didn't work - I see now for sure that you forgot a hyphen, but it's not my job to read your mind; 2) I am trying to deal with a 344 edit noob who doesn't understand how categories work, and has clogged the pedia with Copyvio articles. So cool it. Fawcett5 05:50, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Apologies about being slow getting back to you, the User:LaLa situation has been a big timewaster, I've hardly made a constructive edit all day. In your instance, I conceed I was a bit too hasty with the rollback button, but I was honestly unsure of your intentions. Notice that I did NOT subsequently rv any of the properly formated stubs that I subsequently noticed popping up on other rail articles I monitor (I have ~5000 pages on my watch list so sometimes it takes awhile to notice things). In User:LaLa's case, indication was clearly made on his talk page why numerous rollbacks were being made. It is still my opinion though that it is a bad idea to add the Wisconsin stub to things like railroad articles. My rationale is guided by the following quote from WP:Stub:

 * In general, the naming convention for stub templates is topic-stub; for a complete list of these templates, refer to Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub types. When marking articles as stubs, please be as precise and accurate as you possibly can - it saves other editors a lot of work further down the road. If an article overlaps two potential categories, two different stub templates may be used, but using more than two is strongly discouraged.

The problem, of course, is that some railroads might travel through 20 states...and it is certainly undesirable to have a geographic stub for each state. And having a state-stub for a railroad is in any case terribly imprecise. Cheers, Fawcett5 04:23, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Learn something everyday
Interesting, I had no idea that Miscellania is not a word, although it gets many hits.. but you are right, it is not in OED. Instead I find "miscellanea", which doesn't seem to be much used in modern usage. But I'll make the change. Fawcett5

Sickle Cell Anemia
So as not to get drawn into the User:Titus70AD debate (nice, non-provocative name), I thought I'd mention it here. Sickle cell anemia does not only affect Black Africans - it is prevalent everywhere around the Medeterrianian, including Greece, Italy, and Saudi Arabia. --Goodoldpolonius2 21:18, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Your friends and your kickbacks...
User_talk:Thorsten1 Are you already made an admin by Jayjg and affiliated Jew-posse(pussy)? TheUnforgiven 23:10, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

If you only pursued the benefit of Wikipedia by NPOV additions and without the consolidation of a faux "community consensus" by your friends with like mind, then I would have no objection to your presence at this website. Claiming that you are aggrieved by my actions, are like some kid smacking a dog, getting bit and then having his kids sue the owner. While you and your friends who are here to push your POV for whatever self-opinionated reasons, you also don't stop attacking other edits that deviate from your ideal. I did not come to this website to attack you, just to add NPOV and subtract POV informations. You and your agenda-bound posse are here with your feuds a la Middle East soap operas. Why can't you people just leave the rest of us alone? Why is your business always in our lives, in the media and why can't you learn consideration for others? For all the times you cry persecution and demand compensation, you cannot fathom how you are undeserving of any care for such woe. I don't want to hear about Jews, Muslims and Nazis. I want to hear about things that matter to me, which have nothing to do with your teenage drama plastered all over and about the world. I don't want to hear about you and your kind in my face. Freud(sex freak) and Einstein(WMD inventor) were shams, just like Wolfowitz and Sharon. I am a descendent of Crusaders and thus find no interest in any Muslim either. Nazi eugenics are just as bad as miscegenation. You lot are histrionic idiots in love with your own attention. What would you all do in a world that did not focus on your bullshit? You'd think G-d would have forsaken you? User_talk:Grutness

http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2667822?htv=12 TheUnforgiven 23:32, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Hey Jude, I am not Polish as Witkacy is. I'm just a guy concerned in how people are treated and wish for it to be done fairly. You and your ethnocentric fascists get what's coming. You can't honestly be so daft and try to ruse me over. Playing stupid earns no friends. Got it? TheUnforgiven 23:42, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Like I said, you personally encouraging unhappy circumstances should garner no sympathy, unless it is your ambulence-chasing friends and left-liberals who will attack anybody not falling into step with the party line. Do what you like...but don't whine when feeling sorry for yourself. TheUnforgiven 23:50, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

While you incite this hatred, be sure to tease a real lion while inside its cage. Everything will be all right...Seriously, you won't grow up and be a man. Waah! Tattletales aren't cool! Did your parents drop you on your head as a child? Or, is this Tay-Sachs disease? Please enlighten my ignorance as to what drives you to bring on the heartbreak... TheUnforgiven 23:57, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

 * You've got to be f'n kidding me. --Briangotts (talk) 03:11, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Category:Burials at the United States Naval Academy Cemetary
Just for the record, you actually followed the correct procedure for this; the CFR tag is for categories where the renaming is potentially a matter of debate. It's not for categories that need to be renamed to fix a spelling error; the proper procedure in those cases is to just make the change. Bearcat 17:38, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Simeon ben Shetach
I copied this over with a few minor changes and wikification from the Jewish Encyc. I could use some help with it when you have time, and please pass it on to whoever else might be interested. --Briangotts (talk) 00:48, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Sjakkalle's dictatorial move
Hello Tomer: Can you please research and re-open the ridiculous move by User:Sjakkalle. I have sent him this message: Hi Sjak: Kindly explain your math please at Votes for deletion/Religious persecution by Jews: 34 "keeps" is better than 66 "deletes"...the "deletes" had almost DOUBLE the votes and you decide against them? This makes no sense! I will call on others to object to your dictatorial move! IZAK 10:57, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Reopening the VfD

 * Hi, User:Danny has called for the VfD to be re-opened. See Talk:Religious persecution by Jews, please voice your opinion. Thanks, and be well. IZAK 12:22, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Found Home
Thanks, TShilolz, found the project and the time stamp. Kyle Andrew BrownTALKKyle Andrew Brown 23:26, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Anti-Semitism
Thank you very much. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 04:34, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Yiddish Wikipedia
Hi TShilo12. As a Yiddish speaker, you might be interested in my half-baked plan to revitalize the moribund (only 121 articles) Yiddish Wikipedia. Please see my idea at Talk:Yiddish_language, and thanks.--Pharos 05:10, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

He's back
At Christianity and world religions. Jayjg (talk) 05:43, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Well, he's adamant. Maybe you can do something. Jayjg (talk) 06:30, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Bible verse - motion to close
I have proposed a formal closure of the poll - I wondered if you would care to second it --Doc (?) 10:15, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Ta, yes I missed the irony of voting not to vote anymore. --Doc (?) 10:21, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

eras
look, I'm not aware I have attacked anyone personally, or made a remark that was tangential or offtopic. I may not be informed on the entire history of this, but my impression is based on recent events, especially on Elam. Anyway, I am off to a brief wikibreak now, and I authorize you to remove or strike out my comment as you see fit, just cite this diff. dab (ᛏ) 11:05, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

new vfd
The prior VFD that you voted at ended with no consensus, a new VFD has been opened at Votes for deletion/Historical persecution by Muslims. 18:52, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * In that case, I suppose it's only appropriate to open a new VfD on the others, too. HKT talk 19:18, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, I believe the "Christians" one was a clear keep. Just the "Jews," then. HKT talk 19:24, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Authentic Matthew - boring, but again

 * I recognise that there was no consensus to delete this article – and that is unlikely to change. But I still have grave concerns about it. The author’s insistence in linking it to other Biblical studies articles, is giving the impression of a scholarly theory that simply does not exist I did warn –Ril- that his involvement in the second re-listing was likely to be counterproductive  but to no avail. I am left wondering how many of the ‘keep’ votes were influenced by –Ril-‘s antics. But getting this article right is more important that –Ril-‘s behaviour.

Looking at the last vote Votes for deletion/Authentic Matthew 21d, 12k, 4m – I note that 4 of the ‘keep votes’ expressed a desire for a renaming. So that would indicate a 29-8 feeling that it was undesirable to have this article at this name. Is there room for an acceptable compromise? I’d like to move it to Possible origins of Matthew’s Gospel and place it the context of the real scholarly debate on Matthew. There would some overlap with both the Gospel of Matthew and Synoptic problem – but that I for one could live with. I could just ‘be bold’ and do this, but it is likely to be reverted, and I’m likely to get abuse, – so I’m looking for some agreement that this has a consensus – preferably from some of those who didn’t vote ‘delete’. Any comments? --Doc (?) 17:55, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Discuss at Talk:Authentic Matthew

Vandalism of History of South Africa in the apartheid era went undetected.
Hi -- I just noticed that some wholesale vandalism of the History of South Africa in the apartheid era a couple of days ago went undetected until today. An anon replaced the entire text of the article with the old text of the Apartheid article, including the bit about "diaspora Jews." Since this seems to have slipped under everyone's radar (including mine), and I don't know who has History of South Africa in the apartheid era on their watchlist, I thought I'd give you a heads up. --Bcrowell 18:26, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. I don't know why the article has suddenly been subjected to so much abuse in the last couple of days!--Bcrowell 03:22, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Black books
Both of them seem to be forgotten now, even Witkacy haven't edited any of them for almost a month. And good riddance, I say. Why raise the dead now? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 09:52, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

 * They have not been resurrected. One is simply a copy I made to protect it from admins who deleted it twice without any discussion and outside of the deletion procedures. The other was moved to my namespace by someone I don't know. Anyway, what's wrong with those archives being in my namespace? Halibutt 10:34, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

 * Tomer, I can't be held responsible for pages I'm not even watching through my watchlist. Whether such a page is needed or not is disputable. Some of us thought that such a project would be helpful in organizing racist remarks and communicating with their authors. The community decided otherwise and it's fine with me. However, if the page is still being used - it's none of my business, really. If you're so disturbed by that page and your name being listed there - contact the person to list you there. And you yourself probably admit that there is a grain of truth in that accusing the authors of the Anti-Polonism page (including yours truly) of being "brain-washed" just because they are Poles is not 100% right. Or perhaps that fits your moral scheme? Halibutt 12:21, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

 * Tomer, I did not mean to offend you in any way, just like you probably did not want to offend me by saying that I was brainwashed. If you feel you should not be listed there or feel all Poles are indeed brainwashed and you've been accused wrongly of racist remarks - contact User:Witkacy. If you feel that page shouldn't have been moved to my user space - contact User:Nohat who moved it there. If you feel that page should not be a part of wikipedia at all - contact the ones to take part in the deletion process. If I were an admin, I'd probably delete that page, but I'm not and indeed one of the admins moved it to where it is now. If you want to set the whole thing straight, I won't oppose to move that page to anywhere else. User:Witkacy/Black book? Halibutt 12:45, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

 * I am not suprised nobody has replied there. As Halibutt notes, after the VfD and move, the idea was mostly dead and most of us haven't even added them to watchlists, until today I didn't even know they were presereved anywhere. I understand you want to clear your name, but nonetheless you did made some sweeping generalisations regarding Poles (not that you were the first and only one, but it was your bad luck to be the wrong person in the wrong place near Witkacy's :D). I wouldn't count them as anti-Polonism, and a simple aplology would suffice (if I cared much... if I get a cent for every time I was offended on the net I would be rich...then, which one of us wouldn't :D). I would have no objections if after such an apology you would erase your name from those pages. Perhaps Halibutt, whose namespace they are now in, can merge and archive them somehow - or if he doesn't want them, I can simply delete them (although I think the intro and such can be saved for Jimbo's education idea, but since it seems nobody wants to work on this...well, I don't know what to do with this. I wont object to whatever you decide. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 13:18, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Couldn't say it better myself. By the way, I asked Jimbo for clarification on what he actually means, but his idea of turning that project into some educative page is still obscure to me. Halibutt 14:34, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

Your offending behavior
yeah, it's clear that you have a problem with me - you are offending me again and again, since the Anti-Polonism voting (personal crusade that you have started with some other users). See all your quotes in my little sneaky notesik.--Witkacy 12:47, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

 * To make it short.. what is your problem now (the anti-Polonism voting is about one month ago) ?
 * P.S. please dont vandalize my notesik, thx.--Witkacy 21:26, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Zoroastrianism
You may be interested in participating in this vote. KHM03 15:36, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Witkacy et al.

 * Hi Tomer, I replied to your message on my user talk. Sorry about the delay. --Thorsten1 20:48, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Lincoln
I don't understand the distinction that is made between "named Lincoln" and "Lincoln in the name" if one does not refer to Abraham Lincoln, because all of them are named Lincoln and have Lincoln in the name. Was there some other distinction that I am not getting? --Noitall 22:48, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your supportive words. Jayjg (talk) 00:28, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Are you anti-polish?
I ask this because you are listed at User:Witkacy/Black Book     ( ! | ? | * ) 22:32, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

A Pleasure

 * Always a pleasure, as a new Wikipedia user, I am really chuffed to see my (rather minor, so far) edits acknowledged by another user. I hope to do as much as possible for the Apartheid article as it is such a huge part of my country's history. P.S. How do you speak so many languages?! Thanks. --Banes 21:36, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Good work
I told you good work before for Lincoln. I put you on my User:Noitall page. I hope you don't mind. --Noitall 07:08, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

Busy night
You don't say! That latest one is done, by the way. Onwards and upwards. . SlimVirgin (talk) 12:18, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

Adminship
I have been nominated for adminship. Hope you will weigh in at. --Briangotts (talk) 23:41, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Vote for deletion
Hi, see Votes for deletion/Ritual Decalogue. Thank you. IZAK 09:32, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

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Rude Boy
Any particular reason why you called Mandela a putz without signing. You are entitled to your opinion, no need to be ashamed. Banes 12:55, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Zoroastrianism
I think the term Indo-Iranian is just another way of claiming lineage. He responds to my last point acknowledging the Persians are the normal reference in general usage. As to his Ancient Egypt argumment, the West has always referred to it at that (ancient to distinguish from the country -- perhaps if it was called Ancient Iran I would not have the problem with it), and it is not a new term. Anyhow, what to do? --Noitall 02:42, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

"Indo-Iranian" is the formal term in Indo-European linguistics. It covers the period of time before Vedic (North Indian, pre-Hindu) and Persian culture seperated (i.e. immediately pre-Zoroastrian) - e.g. Indo-Iranian languages. It is extremely relevant in the article. ( ! | ? | * ) 14:11, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Babel
Just saying Congrats! You know more languages than anyone else who uses Babel. Redwolf24 07:16, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Ok
Ok, thats fine. I thought is was deliberate at first, it seems not. Banes 07:58, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Image:Niftymosque.PNG
Because it's a small, badly drawn picture that has no use in an encyclopedia. Put it in an article where it's useful, and I'll withdraw my nomination. --Taejo 12:00, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I was overzealous. IFD withdrawn. I thought I'd checked the links. --Taejo 12:09, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Anti Polonism
I just saw, that the whole crap is back on Wiki again. This disturbs me, cause the thing is wrong at all. Do I have to life with that? As a German studying history its disgusting what I have to read about middle- and eastern European history here. Its very interesting that they bring up so silly stuff when they have something serious in that section to offer. The funny thing is that they blame everyone in the western hemisphere! There must be a deep lack of self confidence in some Polish heads. I have learned to life with the stereotype of being a Nazi- grandchild, but I will not accept the picture painted about Germany today! Tell me what I can do to bring that “off the table”. However, I have something about the “facts” mentioned in the article.
 * 1. Its not forbidden to teach, learn or use Polish language.
 * 2. You can use any kind of language in Germany, cause this is a free country.
 * 3. Harald Schmidt is a comedian, and he tells jokes for living. He makes jokes about everything. He didn't receive awards for being anti-Polish, but for being funny.
 * 4. There are jokes about Poland in German society, but there are much more jokes about Holland, and I never heard them cry like they do. Maybe its cause they have self respect, confidence and humour! By the way, I have friends from Poland and they told me some jokes used against Germans and they where rude too, but even funny - that’s the way humour works. It would be interesting to see what you would say if the subject of “Austin Powers” wasn’t Dutch but Polish.
 * 5. Go to witch war you like nobody cares.
 * 6. Nobody in Germany says that Poland started the war, cause we know well about history - it's on you now to learn something about the modern German society.
 * 7. We know even about the 5 million Poles that lost their life’s during war, and we know even that it was nearly 25% of the population - this was terribly wrong, and we apologized for that with deep respect for the victims.
 * 8. Erika Steinbach isn't a famous politician nor is she popular. In fact she isn't a politician at all.
 * 9. You don't know anything about German history or present Germany, so don't try to teach.
 * 10. This article is anti- German and it doesn't help in establishing good relations between our nations.
 * 11.Writing articles like that can really cause some Anti- Polonism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.89.66.2 (talk • contribs) Aug. 9, 2005

 * I don't know why you're writing this to me...you're preaching to the choir. Tomer TALK  02:39, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

 * Just wanted to say thanks, once again, for your recent comments on Talk:Anti-Polonism. --Thorsten1 20:03, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Hello, Tomer, I've just read your comments in []. I agree with some points there, but I did not find anything that could enhace my refactorisation in the talk page. You seem to be strongly in favour of No, it doesn't and The article should be short sections. Could you add any additional arguments to these sections? In particular, contrarguments for those in the opposing sections? Alx-pl 21:03, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Belarusian Ridge
To answer your question, the last group of uplands do not have a name AFAIK. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 05:34, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your support
Thank you for voting to support my RFA. I've been promoted, and I promise to wield the mop with good faith, patience, and fairness... except when I'm exterminating vandals with the M-16 recoilless nuclear Gatling mop. --malathion talk 08:01, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Passover disambig or what?
Hi Tomer: Please take a look at Passover, which someone has decided to make into a "disambiguation" page so that anyone looking for the link to "Passover" on Wikipedia (and there are many areticles with links to it) will now get a Jewish and Christian version/choice. Do you agree to this move and what can be done? As far as I know, Passover is strictly a Jewish holiday and it is most certainly NOT an official Christian holiday AFAIK. Thanks. IZAK 11:56, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thank you so much for the mazel tov! I truly appreciate it. After that RfA, I need a real vacation. :) See you 'round...stay in touch! - Lucky 6.9 20:05, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your support on my recent RFA, and your nice comemnts, too. Please let me know if I can help you out with any administrative tasks, or if you have any problems with the use of the admin tools. It's been fun working with you on WP:WPWI. Cheers. --BaronLarf 13:03, August 12, 2005 (UTC)

Suitable viewing for English Wikipedia?
Food for thought: I've just stumbled across Category:Japanese television series, Category:Polish television series, and Category:German television series. As far as I know, English Wikipedia doesn't have categories for any other non-English-language television series. Should it? I'd consider only the Japanese series cat. notable, given that many Japanese cartoons end up in English-speaking countries. Aren't the others cruft? I'm questioning whether this is indeed en.wikipedia, despite the web address at the top of my browser. :\ HKT talk 22:06, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I see that there are also categories for Finland, Greece, Mexico, Korea, Singapore and Sweden (and lions and tigers and bears, oh my)! "Hector the multi-nationaphobe" talk01:38, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Tawbah and Islamic phrases
I saw your edit summary on Tawbah ("there is no such thing as an Islamic phrase"). You might want to check out List of Islamic terms in Arabic. Thanks. freestylefrappe 00:25, August 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * I didnt disagree with your edit per se, I just thought you should know that there is such a thing. :) freestylefrappe 00:48, August 11, 2005 (UTC)

Nablus
I've responded on the Nablus page, although I'm a bit confused about what you're arguing for: The re-direction of the Shechem page to the Nablus page, the inclusion of Shchem with Nablus in the opening paragraph on equal footing, or both? Thanks Ramallite (talk) 01:49, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I definitely wasn't calling you an American Jewish religious zealot because, as you rightly claimed, I don't know you at all. So my apologies if I came off sounding harsh that way. We do have a sensitivity about American religious Zionists, however, because the majority of the religious settlers who are adamant about their exclusive claim to the land (and transfer of Palestinians) who appear on Israeli TV have American accents, and are sometimes called (the Brooklyn people) by both Palestinians and Israelis (at least the ones I know). And boy do they demonize us to no end. So I guess I had those thoughts in the back of my mind while writing, but was not in any way trying to be personal at all and I apologize once again for that. Ramallite (talk) 03:23, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I should also clarify on the Nablus page. Thanks Ramallite (talk) 03:44, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Bible verses
Why did you move Bible verses to an archive page, and then redirect the main page to the archive? The vote isn't even over. This makes no sense, I suggest undoing your move or at least commenting at the discussion page. Christopher Parham (talk) 04:13, 2005 August 11 (UTC)

 * Nevermind, it's been undone. Christopher Parham (talk) 04:25, 2005 August 11 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the explanation, how stupid of me not to check the history. Anyway, I would chip in but I don't see much future for any such proposal right now; I think there's just no consensus on the issue to be found and it's simply going to be a matter of the weight of VFD precendent creating a de facto standard. I may be wrong about this, however, and a poll that comes out of a discussion will certainly do better than the deeply flawed survey there now, so I look forward to seeing what you come up with August 23. =) -- Christopher Parham (talk) 17:18, 2005 August 12 (UTC)

I would also like an explanation. ( ! | ? | * ) 16:40, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks :-)
I appreciate the Barnstar :-) Ta bu shi da yu 07:11, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

-Ril- and mentorship
I have to take my hat off to you for your courageous offer. I think there is no change of –Ril- agreeing, but I salute your courage for trying. --Doc (?) 12:01, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I believe your work has been very useful. Let me comment though on the things you stated on another page.  First, you might be an unemployed college student, but you have a role in Wiki that is entirely different from mine.  I am not out to be an Admin or rise in the Wiki ranks, but I recognize those who do and who I think are respectful to others.  So I respect your efforts.  I also think you are pretty good editor, but that is not what this is about. My only goal is editing.  That said, -Ril- was preventing me from editing, intentionally and with a lot of malice.  "What to do?" I respectully disagree with your prior suggestion to avoid -Ril-.  It is not possible, except to change User names, to avoid someone who trolls your edits and prevents you from editing.  I can tell you, there are thousands of pages and lots of little issues here.  I went for months without ever running into -Ril-.  If -Ril- is not targeting me, we might not run into each other much if at all.  My solution: -Ril- does not edit any of my edits, which includes reverting my edits.  He can edit on the same page on a different subject, but he does not edit my edits.  If he thinks I have a bad edit, he raises the issue on the talk page and gets someone else to revert (yuck) or preferably change it to make it acceptable. --Noitall 14:08, August 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Not acceptable. POV pushing is not in the spirit of Wikipedia. Leaving POV pushing standing when hardly anyone is watching for it is even worse.     ( ! | ? | * ) 16:37, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Re: -Ril-'s counterproposal on his talk page: I have never once edited a single comment -Ril- has originally made on any article page. I don't intend to do so in the future. Obviously, I would agree to not edit any of -Ril-'s edits as long as he is not changing my edits. It is also obviously not part of the problem, but I would certainly agree to not edit his original edits. But even the proposal you made would not resolve any problem that any of the other editors have with him. Also note that he has gone beyond reverting and, on George W. Bush replaced my edit (and the one accepted) with one saying the opposite, but not germane to the issue. -Ril- knows how to play the game. --Noitall 20:19, August 11, 2005 (UTC)

 * -Ril- knows how to play the game. That's because -Ril- has over 8000 edits, and 5000 article edits, and all the edit conflict, dispute resolution, discussion, consensus, rules of the game, policies, etc. that go with making that many edits. The question is - Do you know the rules of the game?     ( ! | ? | * ) 21:27, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

OK guys, let's take this to User:TShilo12/-Ril- and Noitall dispute. Thanks. Tomer TALK 21:30, August 11, 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, but that isn't the right answer. ( ! | ? | * ) 22:56, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

User:TheUnforgiven
Check it out: User_talk:Briangotts

 * Please, will you both stop trying to incite more needless disputes? Brian, I didn't know that you existed until now and it was through you baiting me out of nowhere.  Remeber, first impressions are lasting impressions.  TheUnforgiven 14:00, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Aelia Capitolina
Please take a look at User:TheUnforgiven's latest outrage against litarature and history. I am at my revert limit. --Briangotts (talk) 19:47, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Toda, habibi. I imagine it won't be long before he reverts again though... how is it he's never been banned? --Briangotts (talk) 19:53, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Resh Lakish
Started another of those articles-from-the-Jewish-Encyclopedia-that's-been-heavily-modified-and-wikified-but-could-probably-use-more-work. Feel free to weigh in ;-) --Briangotts (talk) 20:51, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Should it exist?/about the form
You did not respond to my message above, so I make a new section. Please, respond. As I see, you can understand Polish, so this article may be accessible and of interest for you. I guess you try to point out some of Polish myths, that are mentioned in the article, which I consider good. You insist on deleting or reducing anti-Polonism. What about writing more about exertions to stop anti-Polonism? It is perfectly within the topic and can make the article more NPOV. Alx-pl 10:28, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Hello, I am still unsure about your attitude to the article anti-Polonism. I found recently this article in which Laurence Weinbaum (an Israelite historian from Jerusalem) admits that there are Israelites who resent Poles. (It's in Polish, but I can translate for you some portions.) I found also this interview where you can find an explicit mention of the word 'antypolonizm'. Note that the people who took part in the interview are people who did many efforts to make Polish-Jewish relations better - KS. MICHAŁ CZAJKOWSKI is a member of the International Oswiecim Board and STANISŁAW KRAJEWSKI is a member of Polish Jewish-Christian Board. I realise of course that the current content of the article is inacceptable.

I am also sorry for pointing to you these articles on Polish-Jewish relations, but these are the most credible Polish sources I know that mention 'antypolonizm' (in fact the sources are often labelled as Jewish by the Polish nationalists). Alx-pl 22:59, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

The kind of arguments you use means that it is not the meaning of the word anti-Polonism that makes you react like this but the anxiety caused by what may happen because of the people who edit the article. Am I right? Alx-pl 19:48, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

OK, I realise that the remaining 8% is the problem with the balance in the history section and general description. What do you think about the alternative approach that I proposed here. I know that your concerns are mainly due to the shape of the history section, but I regard my proposal as just a starting point. Alx-pl 20:18, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Let me be a little bit more precise. What about the section The span and origins of anti-Polonism? Alx-pl 21:51, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for letting me know. I was in too much of a hurry (as usual). --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 10:18, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

RFA/FM
I generally try to avoid doing anything that encourages people to think that bureaucrats have some sort of special authority beyond being able to perform promotions, but I'll leave a note somewhere and see if it helps. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 12:43, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Taking it to talk
Sure, no problem. If it's ok with you, I'd prefer if we didn't change the actual content of the vote, or the totals anymore, because that's what the bureaucrat took his descision on. I don't mind leaving a note that the totals were tallied wrong though.

This way, people looking at the page will know that we've made a change, will have a clue that they need to review the page history for a minute too.

Would that be an ok compromise?

Kim Bruning 12:56, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Nm, Univitedcompany came up with the other option that's fine. Thanks for being communicative :-) Kim Bruning 14:12, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Admin stuff
Thanks for the mazel tov! The new buttons are pretty cool. Must... restrain... self... --Briangotts (talk) 23:38, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

History of anti-Semitism
Please review the edits by Jayjg <sup style="color:darkgreen;">(talk)  03:32, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Many Thanks
Thanks for supporting my RFA. It couldn't have happened without your effort. And thanks also for the kind words on my promotion left at my Talk page. I hope I live up to the faith you and others in the community have placed in me. FeloniousMonk 17:39, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Al-Andalus
The edit war has flared up again; would you mind taking a look? Jayjg <sup style="color:darkgreen;">(talk) 19:22, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

User:TheUnforgiven
''Dammit. I thought I was the one who had baited him. In other news, I think that we should continue to work on this RFC proposal page so that it can be presented to the powers that be, and he can be hardbanned. He's been nothing but a detriment from the day he first showed up. Tomer TALK 21:28, August 15, 2005 (UTC)''
 * Ah. I see from this that he blames you for his attrocious behavior.Tomer TALK 21:47, August 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry, habibi, better luck next time. Actually if you think about it it's kind of ironic, as my interaction with him was limited to basically two hours's worth of back and forth whereas you and Jay and other members of the evil Zionist cabal have been hounding him for months. I guess you guys should get SOME credit. ;-)-Briangotts (talk) 01:35, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Tzadik
Please see the page that I made for Tzadik and my comments to the talk page of chabad regarding ther merging of the section "Relationship between God, the Rebbe and his followers" into Tzadik. Thanks. --Eliezer | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€  04:19, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

thanks and help
i am trying to get the Wu-Wo "possible COPYRIGHT VIOLATION", canelled. am member has seen on the web and shown that the Wu-Wo contents on wikipedia are the same or similar, they should be the other website "a homepage/blob" is ours and the listing on wikipedia is ours to therefore there is no copyright infringement. I am still new at this great site and i dont know if you remember you appear to help many, but i want say thanks for helping me before, if you could can you help fix this ploblem, if you know how to give it back please be my guess any help would be appreciated. feel free to edit the Wu-Wo entry, this is the one i want to get back its the last one before it was flagged. for any verification look at the listing discussion and the homepage/blog thanks alot any help would be great....

i want this last entry revert back []

[] []  --Sherdwen 10:00, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

 * just wanted to say thanks for helping, when i first found out about wikipedia, i was overwhelmed, i think i am getting a handle now, thanks again.

--Sherdwen 05:50, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Dhimmi and Ger Toshav
Please see User:Heraclius latest edits pointing the articles to each other. Jayjg <sup style="color:darkgreen;">(talk) 00:31, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Block
Jay's already done it, I see. ;-) SlimVirgin <sup style="color:purple;">(talk) 21:33, August 19, 2005 (UTC)

Please stop
Please stop your vandalism on the sub-pages in my userspace. And please try to avoid personal attacks. Thx--Witkacy 21:43, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Feel free to add your comments on the talkpage of the Black Book (in the context of your Anti-Polish quote), however i will remove any personal attacks. Cheers--Witkacy 21:57, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
 * And again.. Feel free to add your comments on the talkpage but.. any personal attacks will be removed.--Witkacy 23:40, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi! I know it is hard to believe but I have never used a sockpuppet (however I may be a bit clueless). What really scares me is I am becoming more and more like Ril! I have taken your advice. Every good wish --Melissadolbeer 07:13, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Outdated user page
Hey. I was reading your user page, and you wrote:

''I returned to UWEC in January of 2003 with the intention of completing a second degree, this time in Computer Science, in two years' time. This should be completed by June of 2005.''

And now I'm curious: is it completed? LizardWizard 00:32, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

PS You might consider archiving your talk page, it's getting long.

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Pat Mitchell

Pat Mitchell (born January 20, 1943) is a media executive. She was the first woman president and CEO of PBS. She is editorial director of TEDWomen.

Early life and Education
Pat Mitchell graduated from the University of Georgia with bachelor's and master's degrees in English literature. She received a drama scholarship to attend college.

Career
Pat Mitchell started her career as an English instructor at the University of Georgia and Virginia Commonwealth University. During this time, a freelance article she wrote about student movements came to the attention of an editor at Look, starting her career in journalism. Nine months later, in 1971, Look published its final issue, and Mitchell was advised to "try television." After several auditions, Mitchell was hired at WBZ in Boston as a full-time television reporter.

Over the next three decades, she worked as a news reporter and news anchor, national talk show host, and White House correspondent. She also created and produced documentaries and series, many of which focused on women. She was a co-host on the daily NBC daytime talk show America Alive! in 1978. Around the same time, she was a co-host on the CBS primetime series based on the People magazine.

In the mid-80s, she left a position at NBC to establish an independent production company to create, produce and host the daytime series Woman to Woman, which was the first national program produced and hosted by a woman. Woman to Woman also became the first television series to be added to the Schlesinger Library on the History of Women at Radcliffe College.

In 1992, Mitchell approached media entrepreneur Ted Turner about producing a documentary series on the history of women in America. The 6-hour series, A Century of Women, was broadcast in 1994 on Turner cable networks and received three Emmy award nominations.

In 2000, Pat Mitchell left Turner Broadcasting when she was appointed the first woman president and CEO of PBS. Mitchell left PBS in 2006. After departing PBS, Mitchell was appointed the President and CEO of the Paley Center for Media, an American cultural institution in New York.

In 2010, Mitchell launched TEDWomen, an annual three day conference under the umbrella of TED Talks. Mitchell became its editorial director, curator and host. The conference, described as being "about the power of women and girls to be creators and change-makers", had speakers including former presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, ex-Facebook COO Sheryl Sandberg and former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

In 2022, Mitchell was one of the producers of the documentary Refuge, which followed a Syrian Kurd, a former Klansman, and a town of refugees in Clarkston, Georgia. As of 2021, she was chair of the Sundance Institute and the Women's Media Center, and a trustee of the VDAY movement, the Skoll Foundation and the Acumen Fund.

Awards and honors
Documentaries produced under Mitchell's direction have won more than 100 major awards, including 41 Emmy Awards, seven Peabody Awards and 35 CableACEs. She personally received a Prime-Time Emmy Award in 1996 for Survivors of the Holocaust on TBS, and was personally nominated for four other Prime-Time Emmys.

In 2008, Mitchell was inducted into the Broadcasting and Cable Hall of Fame. She was also named one of the "Most Powerful Women in Hollywood" by The Hollywood Reporter and featured in Fast Company’s special report, "The League of Extraordinary Women: 60 Influencers Who Are Changing the World".

In 2012, The Women's Media Center honored Mitchell with their first-annual Lifetime Achievement Award. Mitchell has also been recognized with the Sandra Day O'Connor Award for Leadership, and was honored by the Center for the Advancement of Women for her accomplishments and contributions in the world of communications in creating a more equitable society for women. She is also one of 12 Americans awarded the Bodley Medal from the Oxford University. Mitchell was appointed by House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi as one of nine commissioners to develop a plan to build a National Women's History Museum in Washington, D.C. The commission delivered its report to Congress in the fall of 2016.

Personal life
Mitchell and her husband, Scott Seydel, have six children and 13 grandchildren and reside in New York City and Atlanta, Georgia.

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Chris Anderson

Chris Anderson may refer to:

Sports

 * Chris Anderson (baseball) (born 1992), American baseball player
 * Chris Anderson (cheese roller), 23-time winner of annual cheese rolling
 * Chris Anderson (footballer, born 1925) (1925–1986), Scottish footballer
 * Chris Anderson (footballer, born 1990), English footballer
 * Chris Anderson (golfer) (born 1970), American professional golfer
 * Chris Anderson (high jumper) (born 1968), Australian high jumper
 * Chris Anderson (rugby) (born 1952), Australian rugby league player and coach, rugby union coach

Music

 * Chris Anderson (trumpeter), American trumpet player, with Southside Johnny and the Asbury Jukes
 * Chris Anderson (pianist) (1926–2008), American jazz pianist

Other

 * Chris Anderson (entrepreneur) (born 1957), Pakistan-born British publisher, entrepreneur and head of TED
 * Chris Anderson (writer) (born 1961), American business writer, former editor-in-chief of Wired Magazine, popularized "The Long Tail"
 * Chris Anderson (politician), American politician and Democratic Party political activist

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Infiltrate•Destroy•Rebuild

Infiltrate•Destroy•Rebuild is the second studio album by American rock band CKY. Recorded between November 2001 and February 2002 at studios in Hawaii, Pennsylvania and California, it was produced by the band's lead guitarist and backing vocalist Chad I Ginsburg with lead vocalist and guitarist Deron Miller and released on September 24, 2002, by Island Records. The album was the band's first to chart, reaching number 99 on the US Billboard 200.

In contrast to CKY's 1999 debut album Volume 1, the songwriting for which was originally credited solely to the band's frontman Miller, Infiltrate•Destroy•Rebuild featured equal songwriting credits for all three members of the band, including lead guitarist Ginsburg and drummer Jess Margera. Once again, bass on the album was performed by Miller (as well as some by Ginsburg), with live bassist Vernon Zaborowski (who replaced Ryan Bruni in 2000) left off the record completely.

Much like its predecessor, Infiltrate•Destroy•Rebuild was praised by a number of music critics for its wide range of musical styles, as well as specific elements such as its guitar riffs. Music videos were produced by Bam Margera and Joe Frantz for all ten tracks on the album, which were released on the video album Infiltrate•Destroy•Rebuild: The Video Album in 2003. "Flesh into Gear" was released as a single in 2002, reaching number 38 on the Billboard Mainstream Rock chart.

Recording and production
Recording for Infiltrate•Destroy•Rebuild took place at Audio Resource in Honolulu, Hawaii, Studio 4 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and 4th St. Recording and Westlake Audio in Santa Monica, California; mixing was completed at Westlake Audio. Production was led by guitarist Chad I Ginsburg, with vocalist Deron Miller credited as a co-producer. Ginsburg also mixed the album, which was mastered by Howie Weinberg. Recording began in November 2001 and was completed by February 2002.

Many of the songs featured on the album were written and recorded in the form of demos years previously: early recordings of "Flesh into Gear" (originally titled "Sinking Fast"), "Sink into the Underground", "Attached at the Hip", "Plastic Plan" (originally titled "No Such Thing"), "Inhuman Creation Station" and "Sporadic Movement" were featured on the videos CKY2K and CKY 3, and an early version of "Close Yet Far" (under the title "Fairman's Song") was included on the original pressing of Volume 2.

Unlike on Volume 1, where songwriting was credited to Miller alone, writing for Infiltrate•Destroy•Rebuild was credited to all three band members: Miller, Ginsburg and drummer Jess Margera. The album is also the band's first to feature synthesizers, which were performed by Miller and Ginsburg. At least five additional songs were recorded for potential inclusion on the album. At the end of the albums closer, "Close Yet Far", the 4 drum stick count-in for a hidden song can be heard, but the album ends after the fourth count. The tracks did not make the final cut: "Dropped and Doublecrossed", "Testing", "Woe Is Me", "Just Quit (Sarcasm)", and "Step to CKY" (an early version of "Dropped") was released on Volume 2, which was later reworked and released officially on the band's 2009 fourth studio album Carver City under the name "Plagued by Images". "Testing" is a song by Margera's and Miller's previous band, Foreign Objects, and was intended to be a hidden track. "Woe Is Me" was released on Carver City under the same name. The 2002 recording of "Just Quit (Sarcasm)" was later released on the band's 2005 album An Answer Can Be Found as "Deceit Is Striking Gold".

Promotion and release
CKY continued its affiliation with the video series of the same name, as several early recordings of songs from Infiltrate•Destroy•Rebuild were featured on the videos CKY2K and CKY3 prior to the release of the album. The album was released on September 24, 2002, as an enhanced CD featuring music videos for "Flesh into Gear" and "Attached at the Hip", although the original pressing had a glitch which prevented the videos from playing. "Flesh into Gear" was also released as a single, reaching number 38 on the US Billboard Mainstream Rock chart.

The group began touring the US in promotion of the album, but in November was invited by Guns N' Roses frontman Axl Rose to perform in Vancouver as the opening warm-up act for the Chinese Democracy Tour, just three days before it was due to begin. However, due to a delayed flight blamed on "mechanical troubles", Rose failed to arrive to Vancouver in time and the show had to be canceled, inciting riots started by audience members. It was later announced that CKY would return to perform on the remainder of the United States leg of the tour, which was ultimately canceled almost a month early. CKY toured extensively in promotion of the album, with high-profile slots supporting bands such as Metallica.

In November 2003, the band released Infiltrate•Destroy•Rebuild: The Video Album, featuring music videos for all ten tracks on the album, as well "96 Quite Bitter Beings" and "Disengage the Simulator", behind-the-scenes footage, a photo gallery, and a documentary titled "CKY: Chopped & Sliced".

Lyrics
Speaking about the lyrics on Infiltrate•Destroy•Rebuild, PopMatters writer Nikki Tranter proposed that many of the songs on the album are written about "the decaying state of humanity", in contrast to the possibly more common themes of "odes to ex-girlfriends or a corrupt governmental structure". The reviewer also noted that many songs "deal with [a] need for some kind of freedom", noting "Close Yet Far", "Attached at the Hip", "Frenetic Amnesic" and "Sink into the Underground" as examples of this description.

"Escape from Hellview" is the third song in the band's "Hellview" song series, which started with previous band Oil's "Thanks for the Ride" and Volume 1's opening track "96 Quite Bitter Beings". The track is described by Bradley Torreano of music website AllMusic as an "infectious tale of friends hanging from trees and the deafening silence of loneliness".

Music
Many reviews of the album noted the variety of musical styles present on Infiltrate•Destroy•Rebuild, which was described in a positive manner. AllMusic's Torreano dubbed "Escape from Hellview" a "metal anthem", suggested that "Plastic Plan" showcased a "disco beat and lifting melodies", and described "Sporadic Movement" as "gothic metal". Tranter of PopMatters offered many of the same descriptions in her review, also describing "Close Yet Far" as a "sultry pop-rock ballad" and including "Flesh into Gear" and "Frenetic Amnesic" alongside "Escape from Hellview" in the bracket of "neat heavy rock tunes". She concluded that the album is "impossible to label".

A review on Punknews.org suggested that many bands mix musical genres and "end up sounding pieced together and unnatural", contrasting that CKY's attempt gave them "a sound distinctly their own", highlighting the guitar riffs, electronic elements, and distortion effects as contributing factors. Billboard magazine described its sound as "sometimes reminiscent of classic metal ... [with] a jagged punk edge", describing the material as "aggressive, yet melodic".

Commercial
Infiltrate•Destroy•Rebuild was the first album released by CKY to register on a music chart, reaching number 99 on the US Billboard 200. Outside of the US, it also reached number 108 on the UK Albums Chart and number 10 on the UK Rock & Metal Albums Chart. According to Miller, as of August 2015 the album had sold over 315,000 copies, making it the best-selling CKY album.

Critical
Media response to Infiltrate•Destroy•Rebuild was generally positive. AllMusic's Torreano awarded the album four out of five stars, describing it as "an irony-free exploration of heavy music that goes straight for the gut and keeps on punching". He praised the band's variety of styles on the release, highlighting tracks such as "Escape from Hellview" and "Sporadic Movement". PopMatters writer Tranter was similarly positive, describing IDR as "an album of expert modern rock tunes, bursting with intelligent ... lyrics and first-rate, progressive musical experimentation".

Punknews.org's review praised the album's writing and production, noting that it is "a definite progression from their previous work" but claiming that it "has some brief moments that become almost too poppy for its own good", namely on "Plastic Plan".

CKY

 * Deron Miller – lead vocals, guitars, bass, Moog synthesizers, co-production
 * Chad I Ginsburg – guitars, vocals, bass, Moog synthesizers, production, mixing, photography
 * Jess Margera – drums

Production

 * Donat Kazarinoff – engineering, mix engineering
 * Marty Bolin – engineering
 * Phil Nicolo – engineering
 * Joe Fisher – additional engineering
 * Jeff Kahn – additional engineering
 * Jesse Gorman – mix engineering
 * Roger Lian – digital editing
 * Howie Weinberg – mastering

Artwork

 * t42design – art direction, design
 * Jina Dierolf – additional artwork
 * Adam Wallacavage – photography
 * Lance Dawes – photography
 * Ryan Gee – photography
 * Bam Margera – music video direction
 * Joe Frantz – music video direction

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What's the point of saying Ashkenazi? The point is partly that most readers don't know the difference. What, should we have to say now that Albert Einstein was Ashkenazi, that Michael Bloomberg is Askenazi etc.?--Pharos 06:54, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Why not? It helps people understand the cultural differences between Benjamin Disraeli and Sigmund Freud.  Not all Jews are the same in outlook and orientation.  Most Ashkenazi are socialist and most Sephardi are capitalist.  I never knew much about them until comparison.  TheUnforgiven 07:15, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I think you have a real misunderstanding here. -"Most Ashkenazi are socialist and most Sephardi are capitalist." You would not say that if you were more familiar with, for example, modern Israeli politics, where the strongest supporters of social programs are the Sephardic Shas and the strongest supporters of free market economics are the almost-all Ashkenazi Shinui.--Pharos 07:39, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Well then, we need to keep matters clear. Why would you object to clarification?  TheUnforgiven 07:49, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

The point is, theUnforgiven is making factually wrong statements. this goes against the point of an encyclopedia. The paragraph about Freud and Disraeli, capitalism and socialism is nonsense, if not anti-semetic. Slrubenstein  |  Talk 22:24, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I'd like to draw your attention to the fact that Pilz's Jewish origins—something I've never heard before and a fact which is completely irrelevant anyway—was added by an anonymous user whose only other contribution is Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.  23:52, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

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Maitrī

' (Sanskrit; Pali: ') means benevolence, loving-kindness, friendliness, amity, good will, and active interest in others. It is the first of the four sublime states and one of the ten  of the Theravāda school of Buddhism.

The cultivation of benevolence is a popular form of Buddhist meditation. It is a part of the four immeasurables in (divine abidings) meditation. as "compassion meditation" is often practiced in Asia by broadcast chanting, wherein monks chant for the laity.

The compassion and universal loving-kindness concept of is discussed in the Metta Sutta of Buddhism, and is also found in the ancient and medieval texts of Hinduism and Jainism as  or.

Small sample studies on the potential of suggest potential benefits. However, peer reviews question the quality and sample size of these studies.

Etymology and meaning
is a Pali word, from which was itself derived from  which, states Monier-Williams, means "friend". The term is found in this sense in the Vedic literature, such as the Shatapatha Brahmana and various early Upanishads, and Vedanga literature such as Pāṇini's Aṣṭādhyāyī 5.4.36. The term appears in Buddhist texts as an important concept and practice.

Buswell and Lopez, as well as Harvey, translate as "loving-kindness". In Buddhist belief, this is a (divine abode) or an immeasurable that leads to a meditative state by being a counter to ill-will. It removes clinging to negative states of mind, by cultivating kindness unto all beings.

The "far enemy" of is hate or ill-will, a mind-state in obvious opposition. The "near enemy" (quality which superficially resembles but is in fact more subtly in opposition to it), is attachment (greed): here too one likes experiencing a virtue, but for the wrong reason.

meditation
meditation, or often "loving-kindness meditation", is the practice concerned with the cultivation of, i.e. benevolence, kindness, and amity. The practice generally consists of silent repetitions of phrases such as "may you be happy" or "may you be free from suffering", for example directed at a person who, depending on tradition, may or may not be internally visualized.

Two different methodological approaches have been discerned in recent review papers: practices that focus on compassion, and practices focusing on loving-kindness. Focusing on compassion means that meditation consists of the wish to relieve a being from suffering, whereas focusing on loving-kindness means wishing a being happiness.

The practice gradually increases in difficulty with respect to the targets that receive the practitioner's compassion or loving-kindness. At first the practitioner is targeting "oneself, then loved ones, neutral ones, difficult ones, and finally all beings, with variations across traditions".

Origins
According to Martin Wiltshire, prior to the advent of the Buddha, there existed traditions of and of meditation with the four virtues of loving-kindness, compassion, empathetic joy, and equanimity. The early Buddhist texts assert that pre-Buddha ancient Indian sages who taught these virtues were earlier incarnations of the Buddha. Post-Buddha, these same virtues are found in the Hindu texts such as verse 1.33 of the Yoga Sutras of Patañjali, wherein the word is synonymous with.

Loving-kindness, along with compassion and equanimity, are found in the early Upanishads of Hinduism, while loving-kindness is found in early Sutras of Jainism along with compassion, empathetic joy and equanimity. The ancient Indian Paccekabuddhas who are mentioned in the early Buddhist Suttas, those who lived before the Buddha, mention all "four immeasurables" and Brahmavihara, and they are claimed in the Suttas to be previous incarnations of the Buddha.

According to Ian Harris, the Buddhist scriptures acknowledge that the -concept containing four meditation practices "did not originate within the Buddhist tradition". The Buddha never claimed that the "four immeasurables" and related -meditation were his unique ideas, states Harvey Aronson, in "cessation, quieting, nirvana".

The pre-Buddha Chandogya Upanishad, states Jayatilleke, in section 8.15 teaches metta and ahimsa (doctrine of non-harm, esp. non-violence) to all creatures claiming that this practice leads to. The shift in Vedic ideas, from rituals to virtues, is particularly discernible in the early Upanishadic thought, and it is unclear as to what extent and how early Upanishadic traditions of Hinduism and Sramanic traditions such as Buddhism and Jainism influenced each other, on ideas such as "four immeasurables", meditation, and Brahmavihara.

In the Jain text, the Tattvartha Sutra (Chapter 7, sutra 11), which is accepted by all Jain sub-traditions as authoritative, there is a mention of four right sentiments: Maitri, pramoda, karunya, and madhyastha: "Benevolence towards all living beings, joy at the sight of the virtuous, compassion and sympathy for the afflicted, and tolerance towards the insolent and ill-behaved."

Buddhist texts
In the Pāli Canon, the term appears in many texts such as the Kakacupama Sutta and Karaniya Metta Sutta. Other canonical materials, such as in the Paṭisambhidāmagga, elaborate on it as a practice. Yet other canonical sources, such as the Abhidhamma, underline the key role of benevolence in the development of wholesome karma for better rebirths.

can also be found in several other canonical discourses.

Karaniya Metta Sutta (Sn 1.8)
"May all beings be happy and secure, may they be happy-minded. Whatever living beings there are—feeble or strong, long, stout or medium, short, small or large, seen or unseen (ghosts, gods and hell-beings), those dwelling far or near, those who are born or those who await rebirth may all beings, without exception be happy-minded. Let none deceive another nor despise any person whatever in any place; in anger or ill-will let them not wish any suffering to each other. Just as a mother would protect her only child at the risk of her own life, even so, let him cultivate a boundless heart towards all beings. Let her thoughts of boundless lovingkindness pervade the whole world: above, below and across, without obstruction, without any hatred, without any enmity. ⋮ This they say is divine abiding here. She will surely not come again to any womb (rebirth in the sense-desire realm)."

- Metta Sutta

or lovingkindness here, states Harvey, is a heartfelt aspiration for the happiness of all beings. It is different from "lack of ill-will", and more an antidote to fear and hatred. It is the precept to conquer anger by kindness, conquer the liar by truth, conquer the stingy by giving, and conquer evil by good, says Harvey.

Vatthūpama Sutta
In over a dozen discourses, the following description (in English and Pāli) is provided for radiating loving-kindness in six directions:

In the canon, this basic formula is expanded upon in a variety of ways. For instance, a couple of discourses provide the following description of how to gain rebirth in the heavenly realm of Brahmā :
 * "What... is the path to the company of Brahmā? Here a bhikkhu abides pervading one quarter with a mind imbued with benevolence, likewise the second, likewise the third, likewise the fourth; so above, below, around, and everywhere, and to all as to himself, he abides pervading the all-encompassing world with a mind imbued with benevolence, abundant, exalted, immeasurable, without hostility, and without ill will. When the deliverance of mind by benevolence is developed in this way, no limiting action remains there, none persists there.

 * "Just as a vigorous trumpeter could make himself (or herself) heard without difficulty in the four quarters, so too, when the deliverance of mind by benevolence is developed in this way, no limiting action remains there, none persists there. This is the path to the company of Brahmā."

Patisambhidamagga Mettakatha (Ps. 2.4)
In the Khuddaka Nikāya's Paṭisambhidāmagga, traditionally ascribed to Sariputta, is a section entitled Mettākathā (Ps. 2.4, "Story on Loving-Kindness"). In this instruction, a general formula (below, in English and Pāli), essentially identical to the aforementioned Cunda Kammaraputta Sutta verse (especially evident in the Pāli), is provided for radiating benevolence:

In addition, this instruction categorizes twenty-two ways in which "the mind-deliverance of benevolence" can be radiated with
 * five ways of "unspecified pervasion" : all beings, all breathing things , all creatures , all persons , all with a personality
 * seven ways of "specified pervasion" : all women, all men , all Noble Ones , all non-Noble Ones , all deities , all humans , all born in lower realms ,
 * ten ways of "directional pervasion" : of the eastern direction, of the western direction , of the northern direction , of the southern direction , of the eastern intermediate direction , of the western intermediate direction , of the northern intermediate direction , of the southern intermediate direction , of the downward direction , of the upward direction.

Moreover, the directional pervasions can then be applied to each of the unspecific and specific pervasions. For instance, after radiating benevolence to all beings in the east, one radiates it to all beings in the west and then north and then south, etc.; then, one radiates it to all breathing things in this fashion , then all creatures, persons, and so forth until such is extended for all those born in the lower realms.

Benefits
The Pali canon says that there are a number of benefits from the practicing of meditation, including:
 * One sleeps easily, wakes easily, dreams no evil dreams. One is dear to human beings, dear to non-human beings. The devas protect one. Neither fire, poison, nor weapons can touch one. One's mind gains concentration quickly. One's complexion is bright. One dies unconfused and—if penetrating no higher—is headed for [rebirth in] the Brahma worlds.

The canon also upholds fully ripened development as a foremost antidote to ill will:
 * "No other thing do I know, O monks, on account of which unarisen ill will does not arise and arisen ill will is abandoned so much as on account of this: the liberation of the heart by benevolence. For one who attends properly to the liberation of the heart by benevolence, unarisen ill will does not arise and arisen ill will is abandoned."

 * "Monks, whatever grounds there are for making merit productive of a future birth, all these do not equal a sixteenth part of the liberation of mind by benevolence. The liberation of mind by benevolence surpasses them and shines forth, bright and brilliant."

meditation is regularly recommended to the Buddha's followers in the Pali canon. The canon generally advises radiating in each of the six directions, to whatever beings there may be. A different set of practical instructions, still widely used today, is found in Visuddhimagga; this is also the main source for the "near and far enemies" given above. In addition, variations on this traditional practice have been popularized by modern teachers and applied in modern research settings.

and
is found in pre-Buddhist Vedic Sanskrit texts as, , and , which are derived from the ancient root (love). These Vedic words appear in the Samhita, Aranyaka, Brahmana, and Upanishad layers of texts in the Rigveda, Samaveda, Yajurveda, and Atharvaveda.

"Speaking the truth I desire this: May I enjoy her lovingkindness as do ye, May not one of you supplant another, She hath enjoyed my lovingkindness, the all-knower."

- Taittiriya Samhita 4.3.12

Similarly, the term appears in hymn 55 of Book 19 of the Atharvaveda, and various Upanishads. A major early Upanishad of Hinduism, named Maitri Upanishad, discusses universal kindness and amity. The Maitri Upanishad, states Martin Wiltshire, provides the philosophical underpinning, by asserting, "what one thinks, that one becomes, this is the eternal mystery". This idea, adds Wiltshire, reflects the assumption in the ancient thought that one influences one's own environment and situation, causality is equitable, and "good volitional acts conduce pleasant situations, while bad volitional acts conduce unpleasant situations". The Maitri Upanishad teaches, states Juan Mascaró, that peace begins in one's own mind, in one's longing for truth, in looking within, and that "a quietness of mind overcomes good and evil works, and in quietness the soul is one: then one feels the joy of eternity."

The Isha Upanishad similarly discusses universal amity and loving-kindness, but without the term. These teachings of universal influenced Mahatma Gandhi.

In Jainism, Yogabindu – the 6th-century yoga text by Haribhadra – uses the Sanskrit word in verses 402–404, in the sense of loving-kindness towards all living beings.

meditation research
Some pilot research studies on the effect of meditation indicate an increase in positive emotions for practitioners. In particular, an immediate impact on positive emotions after practice as well as a long-term effect could be shown, though these effects might not hold true for everybody. In one proof-of-concept study, uncontrolled in sample selection and benchmarking, the researchers report therapeutic potential for psychological problems like depression or social anxiety, when combined with other reliable treatments.

Therapeutic potential
The application of meditation for the treatment of psychological and other healthcare-related problems is a topic of research. Hofmann et al. discuss the potential use for therapy and report insufficient data, with some promising studies so far. Those studies could show a positive impact on problems such as schizophrenia, depression, and anxiety. According to Hofmann et al., there needs to be more rigorous research, especially with the application of Buddhist approaches to loving-kindness and compassion meditation.

In an eight-week pilot study in 2005, loving-kindness meditation led to reduced pain and anger in people with chronic lower back pain. Compassion meditation, a Science Daily article states, may reduce inflammatory and behavioral responses to stress that have been linked to depression and a number of medical illnesses.

meditation is a central practice within mindfulness-based pain management (MBPM), the effectiveness of which has been supported by a range of studies.

Meta-analysis
A 2015 meta-analysis, synthesizing various high-quality experiments on loving-kindness meditation, found a medium-sized[quantify] improvement to daily positive emotion, with meditation on the loving-kindness aspect of mettā having a greater effect than practices with a focus on compassion. The length of time meditating did not affect the magnitude of positive impact of the practice.

Caution and reviews
Bishop, in a 2002 review, suggests caution on claims of benefits, and states, "what has been published has been rife with methodological problems. At present, we know very little about the effectiveness of this [mindfulness-lovingkindness-compassion meditation] approach; however, there is some evidence that suggests that it may hold some promise."

In a 2014 review of multiple studies, Galante et al. reach a similar conclusion, stating "results were inconclusive for some outcomes, in particular against active controls; the methodological quality of the reports was low to moderate; results suffered from imprecision due to wide CIs (confidence intervals) deriving from small studies" and that "the kindness meditation methods show evidence of individual and community benefits through its effects on their well-being and social interaction".

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Zettai Kareshi
I suspect that this is just the new account of a more experienced User, but welcome anyway. Just one thing: when you report a copyvio, remember to remove the text of the article — don't just add the copyvio template to the top. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 06:58, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Killesbergpark
Hello again. A couple of points: first, when making internal links (Wikilinks), always make sure that the link is direct,and if not, make a pipe (for example, your links acres, fairgrounds, and horticultural needed to be acres, fairgrounds, and horticultural). Secondly, British English shouldn't be replaced by U.S. English (and vice versa) unless there's good reason — usually that means that the article is about a specifically U.S. topic. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 10:13, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. - Christiant

About Vaikunda Avatharam
I am here to suggest that though the two titles seems alike they were extremely different. While the topic Ayya Vaikundar tells the Incarnation of Vaikundar which follows the the life of Muthukutty, the title Vaikunda Avatharam narrates in a mythical way following the life of Sampooranathevan. According to Akilattirattu Sampooranathevan was one among the Devas, who takes birth in this world. Mind you Sampooranathevan was a mythical figure while Muthukutty was an ordinary man in the society who was also noted in the history. Also the name Muthukutty was not even mentioned once in Akilattirattu. So in brief the title Ayya Vaikundar views the incarnation in a historical point while the title Vaikunda Avatharam views it from a mythical point. So better the title not to redirect. If you still wants to do please send me messages and place the reason. Iam the one who created that article and as Mel Etitis says not a native to English and not so fluent with the language. So please understand my difficulties and try to do your best in helping me in writing articles - Vaikunda Raja

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About Vaikundar Article
Yes I think so. Any how Steven McCrary had combined both the articles and also I made few corrections and now go through the article Ayya Vaikundar and suggest me if you have any thing. - Vaikunda Raja

stuy
Greetings, Consider adding the Stuy userbox, User Stuy. Regards, - the.crazy.russian   (T)   (C)   (E)  19:30, 26 March 2006 (UTC) (Class of 99) P.S. Failed gym class, eh? lol.

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Why is geek humor included in the Pedia? (O-range)?

Pseudoranges some remarks and suggested alterations.
Remarks.

Pseudoranges are relative distances, the ranges (distances) to known position where all ranges with the same error. Also called relative distances. Distances can be expressed in the measure of distance (m) or in the timedelay time (s). distance = c*time. (The assumption here is that the speed of light is always c. Errors caused by the layers around the earth are ignored).

Triangulation, is calculating with triangles base on the knowledge of angles (and at least one side) of the triangle. In surveing this was a standard technique, whole area's could be measured and mapped using this system.

Trilateration, is calculating with triangles base on the knowledge where the length of the sides is known. When used for positioning some people assume (or require) that Trilateration is based on exactly three known point and a fourth unknown point.

Pseudorange calculation is Not based on Trilateration, because the length of the sides of the triangles is Not known. In Pseudorange calculation in 3D at least 4 positions are needed with the relative distance to each, to determine a point. In GPS these four positions can be supplied by 4 satellites or by 3 satellites and a known hight. (The know hight is not realy a pseudo range, but the distance to the middle of the earth without the relative error, the other signals/distances have the same error).

Implementation. A fairly simple and effective method to implement the pseudorange calculation works as follows.
 * 1.Use an estimated position as a starting point, this can be the last known point, but for example for GPS the middle of the earth can be choosen.
 * 2.Measure the relative distance to the known locations (With GPS these are the satellites). This measuring is often done by measuring the time a signal travels. All measured distances should have the same error.
 * 3.Calculate the distance for all the known locations to the estimated postition.
 * 4.For each of the satellites calculate the difference between the estimated position (from 3) and the actual ranges (from 2).
 * 5.Now find the (relative) x,y,z coordinate which would give such an error. (Explained further on).
 * 6.Now correct the estimated position with this information.
 * 7.After a second repeat the process with new position information. (After a few seconds you should have a fix where the mathematical error is almost zero even if you are moving fast, offcourse other errors remain).

 * 5. Finding the x,y,z which would give the error.

We are seeking for an x,y,z and the error, this is four parameters. We also have four signals from four known location. This means we can make four equations. So we have four equitions and four unknowns. Four equations with four unknowns are easy to solve if the equations are lineair. But equations with distances (spheres) or with distance differences (hyperboloids) or not lineair. But the pheres which we are working with are huge, at least 3 times the size of the earth, as long as we look locally the earth is pretty plane. So for our equitions we are going to assume the the signals arrive as a plane. Doing this we have four equitions with four unknown. This can easely be solved. This results in an how much our estimate was wrong in x,y,z and the relative distance. But this result is not exact, because of the assumption of a plane. If we start of with an near enough place to the point which is the actual point, one iteration is enough. Otherwise a few iterations can be used.

Pseudorange calculation implemented with lineair equations has the following advantages.
 * 1. It is simple to implement.
 * 2. The result is very close to the actual point.
 * 3. The calculation is relative simple and fast.
 * 4. Using a fairly close approcimation only one iteration, gives an accurate result.
 * 5. For GPS use the centre of the earth can be used as a first estimate. So no actual location is needed.

Are there alternatives to do the same calculations?

Yes, the calculation can be done with intersecting spheres and estimated timing errors.

Yes, the calculation can be done with the intersecting of the hyperboloids formed by the time differences from known location.

Yes, there are some other methods which can be used. Four example an analogue mechanical way would be building a model of four known positions. Make ropes with the relative length of the distances all with the same extra length. Connect the ropes at one point, each rope goes from this connecting point towards the know location, and from there to a central point where a weight is pulling the rope tight. (The length of each rope has to be adjusted by the distance from the known location to the central point.) If all ropes are tight the position where the ropes meet should be the actual location. it could be that you have to pull the rope to get it in the relative position. (This could be done by a weigth, but then the location should be below the know locations.) A pulley system then has to make sure that the other side is also using a weight. (this method is completely rediculous, because it is not practical and does not give detailled information. But it would work in principle.).

But, none of these methods can deliver a result as fast and as accurate as the shown implementation can.

WORK IN PROGRESS. Crazy Software Productions 13:32, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

title: Talk:Pseudorange