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Thanks for the comment. I understand what you're saying, but there are only multiple years of the same ranking list for three sources (US News, Times Higher, Shanghai Jiao Tong University). Right now, I've included more than 50 different ranking lists, so it wouldn't make much sense for that to be the layout when 47/50 would just have a ranking for 2007 or 2008 and be blank for 1999-2006; that would be a lot of blank space. Also, you can sort each column as you see fit by clicking the column header, so readers can easily sort it by year if they'd like to see the year-to-year changes. I'm not sure if you knew that or not. Similarly, you can sort it by source to see the year-to-year changes for a particular source. This is the accepted convention in ranking lists. The sort feature lets readers display it in any way they please. I could also sort the list by year and source by first clicking the year column and then the source column. Then, the user sees each source separated with its earliest ranking first for easy comparison. See List of United States graduate business school rankings, a featured list, for the technique they employ. In that, they only include the most recent year for each ranking. I generally modeled the list off of List of University of Texas at Austin rankings, which I found to be the best of the previously created university-specific ranking lists. Feel free to make changes if you'd like and compare them, but I think using the method you described to me would make it look much less aesthetically pleasing as there would be a lot of blank spaces. On another note, technically, the article should be renamed to List of Duke University rankings since it's officially a list according to wikipedia protocol. Perhaps I'll rename it. I also wouldn't be shocked if this article was nominated for deletion as it's fairly specific...but who knows...the few other university-specific ranking lists have survived. Cheers, -Bluedog423Talk 15:12, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

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Hi Tinlash-- I noticed you saw my draft and made the changes I suggested. Just wanted to say thanks! --CBuiltother (talk) 15:12, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * If you're willing and able, I could use some feedback on two revisions to another article in which I again have a COI. The article is Occidental Petroleum, and my drafts can be found at:
 * User:CBuiltother/Occidental_Petroleum_Oil_and_gas (An update to the existing section in the article.)
 * User:CBuiltother/Occidental_Petroleum_Financial_performance (New proposal, this section does not currently exist.)
 * Any feedback would be welcome, or if you think parts of the draft are good as is to incorporate into the article, I trust your judgement. Thanks, --CBuiltother (talk) 03:35, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

 * Hi Tinlash-- I've proposed another revision to the Occidental article (found here - talk page here). If you have any feedback, I'd certainly welcome it! --CBuiltother (talk) 13:00, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

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Hi. looks like we've ended up with two John Hammergren pages. What would you prefer to do, delete the one I created or the one you did? NBeddoe (talk) 22:06, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

OK I've redirected my page to yours and added a bit about his 2011 pay package. NBeddoe (talk) 11:32, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Meyer Feldberg

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Hey tinlash, having trouble adding references and no editors are helping me. RJSutter (talk) 10:49, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

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Hey, noticed your efforts on the MIDI article; nice work so far, and welcome to Wikipedia! Side note: isn't "poly pressure" distinct from channel pressure in that it doesn't affect the whole channel but rather individual notes? Mindspillage (spill yours?) 06:07, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes - After googling "poly pressure", I think you're right - I admit I am mainly familiar with MIDI from the specification level, and I'm not quite as knowledgeable about the different implementations of MIDI. It looks like then poly pressure would be synonymous with aftertouch (because aftertouch messages contain note information) rather than channel pressure. To add to the confusion, I have an old Alesis MMT-8 sequencer - which it says it stores Aftertouch events but it doesn't associate a note with it - which means it really stores Channel Pressure events. Oh well... Computergeek84 12:31, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

By the way - I'd love to help start an article about the Alesis MMT-8 - despite them being manufactured over 15 years ago, people are still using them today because of their simplicity. Computergeek84 12:31, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

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Temporary North-West Council

The Temporary North-West Council, more formally known as the Council of the Northwest Territories and by its short name as the North-West Council, lasted from the creation of Northwest Territories, Canada, in 1870 until it was dissolved in 1876. The council was mostly made up of members of the Manitoba Legislative Assembly and members of the Parliament of Canada who were appointed to serve on the council.

No members appointed were allowed to sit on the council until December 28, 1872. The council ran the territories under the Temporary Government of Rupert's Land Act and the Manitoba Act. The council's mandate was renewed every year by the federal government until it was dissolved in 1876, to make way for the 1st Council of the Northwest Territories.

Early history
The territory formally known as Rupert's Land and the North-Western Territory were sold to the Government of Canada by the Hudson's Bay Company on November 19, 1869. The two territories were amalgamated to form the Northwest Territories. The creation of a government for the territories was delayed by Louis Riel, who led the Red River Rebellion, ultimately leading to the creation of the province of Manitoba.

The Northwest Territories joined confederation with Manitoba on July 5, 1870. Despite the provisions in law for setting up a council under the Temporary Government Act, 1870, the first council appointments by the Governor General of Canada would not take place until November 28, 1872. The first attempt at creating the council came with the appointment of Francis Godschall Johnson by Lieutenant Governor Adams George Archibald on October 21, 1870. Johnson lost his appointment after it was overturned by the federal government. The federal government ruled Archibald had exceeded his powers in creating the council.

The first session of the council began on March 8, 1873. The Council session was short sitting only two days. The Lieutenant Governor of the territory acted as Speaker, presiding over the council. All acts of the council had to be sent to Ottawa for approval by the Governor General.

The council had a poor relationship with the press of the day. Appointments to the council after 1872 were generally made in secret without official notification in some places and major publications were forbidden from covering early council proceedings. The Council met for meetings while it was in session at Early Government House in Fort Garry.

Council members

The Temporary North-West Council existed in law for a total of six years. An attempt was made to set up the council and appoint the first member by Lieutenant Governor Archibald on October 21, 1870. The federal government told Archibald that he overstepped his bounds and the appointment of Johnson was revoked days later. After the council was officially set up there were two main sets of appointments made, both by Lieutenant Governor Alexander Morris.

The first batch of appointments came on December 28, 1872. That date Morris would appoint a total of eleven members to the council. This was the single biggest number of appointments in the history of the Northwest Territories Legislative Assembly.

Less than a full calendar year later and despite only being allowed up to fifteen seats, appointments to the council exceeded that limit during the second round in October 1873. All but two members of the Council held on to their seat until it was dissolved in 1876. William J. Christie resigned his seat in 1873 and Robert Cunningham was the only member of the council to die in office on July 4, 1874. In addition to the death of Cunningham, the first secretary of the North-West Council William T. Urquhart died at his home on September 24, 1874.

Legislation
Over the course of three legislative sessions the council adopted legislation that formed the basis of Northwest Territories law. The legislation covered a wide variety of issues. The measures related to law and justice included customs duties, prohibition on liquor along with the establishment of a police force, the establishment of the stipendiary magistrate system.

The council was equally responsive in establishing social policy. Welfare programs for Indigenous populations was established. This included negotiating the first treaties to bring in the reserve system. Legislation regulating how masters treat their servants was also implemented.

In regards to infrastructure, the council passed regulations securing public rights-of-way including roads and waterways. Legislation was also implemented to send out survey parties to various parts of the territory. Resource management was also practised with the limitation of the buffalo hunt, and regulations on other hunts including banning poisons for use in hunting practices.

Prohibition
The most notable legislation the council produced came out of the second legislative session that began on March 11, 1874. The council banned the importation and manufacture of spirituous liquors and passed a motion to recommend the creation of the North-West Mounted Police (NWMP). The purpose behind the ban was to prevent settlers from trading alcohol to native populations, with the NWMP created to enforce the prohibition. The only liquor allowed in the territory was brought in with special permission by the lieutenant governor. The Cypress Hills massacre was the driving force for the council to implement prohibition and recommend a police force.

Indigenous people
The council implemented legislation to provide training programs and equipment to teach Indigenous people agricultural practices. This legislation included providing cattle and other livestock. Members of the council also proposed and negotiated the first treaties, creating the reserve system in Canada.

The council also set regulations in the final session to limit the buffalo hunt; this was a measure to address the sharp decline in the buffalo population. This was also a further measure to encourage Indigenous populations to adopt agricultural practices using programs that had been previously implemented by the government.

Justice
The council also proposed the appointment of stipendiary magistrates to the North-West Council to deal with most legal cases in the territory. Each appointed magistrate would take up residence in a certain area and be responsible for all legal cases. The magistrates were given the option of referring cases of an unusual nature to the Court of Queen's Bench of Manitoba. This became the prominent justice system of the territory until the Supreme Court of the Northwest Territories was founded in 1887. This court system played a major role in the development and history of the 1st Council of the Northwest Territories.

The final session
The last session of the Temporary North-West council was called on November 23, 1875. The throne speech outlined the need for regulation of the buffalo hunt, and peaceful and orderly settlement to the territory, and highlighted past legislative achievements of the council. The last council session closed on December 14, 1875 and did not meet again until it was dissolved on November 7, 1876.

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Electoral district of Bligh

Bligh was an electoral district of the Legislative Assembly in the Australian state of New South Wales. It was created in 1962, partly replacing Electoral district of Paddington-Waverley and was an urban electorate, covering 13.03 km2 and taking in the suburbs of Potts Point, Darling Point, Woolloomooloo, Elizabeth Bay, Rushcutters Bay, Edgecliff, Darlinghurst, Paddington, Surry Hills, Redfern, Darlington and part of Chippendale. It was a highly diverse electorate, as it contained both some of the wealthiest suburbs of Sydney, along the edge of the harbour, as well as some of the city's most disadvantaged areas, such as those around Redfern. This had the effect of making Bligh a marginal seat, although as the wealthier suburbs outnumbered the poorer suburbs, it tended to be -leaning. Independent Clover Moore defeated the incumbent Liberal member Michael Yabsley in 1988 (Yabsley subsequently reentered Parliament in the Vaucluse by-election later that year) and held the seat until its abolition in 2007, when it was replaced by the electoral district of Sydney.

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User talk:Marcuse

For Biff Rose related discussion, please see archive

Martín Luis Guzmán
Nice job. -- Jmabel | Talk 04:59, September 7, 2005 (UTC)

Mariano Azuela
Please see this edit of mine and the implicit question to you. -- Jmabel | Talk 04:31, September 9, 2005 (UTC)
 * The way that citing sources is supposed to work: if you used source A, which in turn derives from source B, you acknowledge both. Wikipedia's been kind of slack about that, but that is normal practice. So in this case, where the Spanish article didn't acknowledge its sources, it should be something like "This article draws heavily on [Spanish article], which appears to derive from [Colegio article]." -- Jmabel | Talk 16:55, September 9, 2005 (UTC)

Yes
Yes!! - Walter L. Newton 05:05, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Ally
I always considered your take the allied stance. now you've gone and taken another stance. It's not so. I'm not that guy. I wanted to work with you. When you complained I went back and changed what I had written, to more closely follow a sort of consensus. Oh well.Jonah Ayers 14:44, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Our friend
You may notice that the suspected sockpuppet or impersonator of Ayers, the anon IP, had his user page locked last night. He was also taking credit for Ayers edits.

I think the guy is a bit disturbed. It's hard to know how to deal with this... some say do not engage him. I'm not sure. If you have any ideas, let me know. paul klenk talk 11:53, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

There is little doubt in my mind that the IP user is the same as Ayers. If it were really an impostor, why hasn't Ayer's been up in arms about the fact that he has editied his own talk page heavily and gone around impersonating him? The one strange thing is that if you look up IP address it says it's in Atlanta and Ayers claims to live in New York. Something is going on, sort of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde kind of thing. Strange. I think not engaging him is better, but then its hard not to when one is being attacked. Marcuse 13:39, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I sent you an email, but I'd like to publicly apologize for accusing you of being a sockpuppet of a user I was in conflict with.

 * I'm sorry that I accused you of being the other guy. It really did get confusing there, and after weeks of that relentless stuff (including someone stealing my birth name for his username), I really didn't know which end was up.

 * You and I may not always agree, now or in the future, but I appreciate the edits and efforts you've contributed.

 * -Sojambi Pinola 03:40, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes, when you next visit NYC, you will get free noodles. :)  -Sojambi Pinola 15:16, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips...
I'm still new to wikipedia (I'm more of a reader than a contributor). The Peter Betz story is actually a story I wrote for one of my journalism classes so all the information has been from first-hand research.

Flag of Mexico
Wow...thank you for your additions to the article. They are pretty good. Zach (Smack Back) 02:46, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! Marcuse 02:56, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Overall, you really helped on the article. You probably know a lot about the flag, or that you done some pretty good research. For your efforts, here is your (maybe first out of many) Barnstar. Congrats, you desereved it. Zach (Smack Back) 22:01, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

My talk page
on other editors pages when someone writes something abusive or catty, it is removed. I removed it. I don't see what business it is of yours. i created that space to be a friendly spar and helpful spot. The posts I eradicated were not. So there you go. I thank you for not being abusive.Mary Hope

Peter Betz
Yeah I realized that his real name would still show up if someone looked through the history. I was actually urged to change the name at the request of the murderer himself, who has since been released from prison and has somehow found the article on Wikipedia. I will talk to an admin about deleting previous edits. Thank you.

help with old username
i have an old username which i need to remove. i foolished used the same username i have used in employment and it is rather unique. my identity may be exposed and cause me trouble at work. is there any way to alter my old username or remove my old edits?

thanks OnceUponATimeInChina 03:57, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

rose
my 1st edit of today is your last + thorri's picture move; no need to make thorri do it, just revert to that. i'd do it myself, but i'm already at 4 rv's for that page today. Derex 23:30, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

yes, please do remember simply editing an article is not a revert, nor is it vandalism it is a disagreement.216.244.3.79
 * Done, but remember that simply editing an article is not a revert. Also, I don't know how this apply to reverting vandalism. Marcuse 02:11, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

READ MY EDIT
I think you'll see it's almost exactly the same as yours, my most recent one- replete with mort sahl and george carlin...216.244.3.79

hey you quit that's your problem, the dea lis this, you said yourself there was a basis for the anti semitic charge. Sojambi keeps trying to write things that aren't true about Rose.216.244.3.79 04:40, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank You
Thanks for your efforts. I like the new user page graphics. Rock on.

--Sojambi Pinola 00:47, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Consistency
If you're going to remove only one external link from each of the locations you vandalized, I'll be replacing them. You'll need to remove all external links to schools if you're going to remove one. Personally, I think people are curious to know the legacy of each of these great master teachers. And they should see their contemporary manifestation in current training. Sgactorny 21:39, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Sgactorny is Jason Bennett. Please check out discussion of his Wikipedia stunts on http://bbs.backstage.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=22883&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1 Thanks. Tree trimer

Thanks for the Note
Thank you for the note. Your recommendation sounds like a good course of action. Also, would you check the profiles of famous acting teachers. Apparently Bennett is adding this website (jbactors.com) to their entries as advertsing. For example, he is listed on Lee Strasberg and apparently others whom he has no connection to. It is so sad when Wikipedia is misused in this way.

I am very new to Wikipedia. Could you tell me how to leave that name and time/date-stamp at the end of messages? Thanks.

Did you get a chance...
Hello, did you get a chance to post a vote for deletion of the Jason Bennett page? I looked for it but did not find it. Perhaps my inexperience on Wiki keeps me from finding it. Thank you for the helpful beginners info you put on my discussion. When I have some time (after midterms) I will study it in depth. You have been very kind. Tree Trimer 14:23, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Sign my Vote
By sign my vote, you mean add the 4 tildes (~ ~ ~ ~), correct? Ummm, thanks for holding my hand. Tree Trimer 17:14, 24 February 2006 (UTC) Wait, wait, wait - I think I figured it out. Check out the deletion page and see if I did it correctly. Thanks again, Tree Trimer 17:39, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

 * That looks good. Marcuse 18:00, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

 * It has been many days into this process. I was just wondering how many days the entry stays up for the vote and what the next steps are.  Thanks for all of your info.  I am looking forward to learning what happens next.  Tree Trimer 18:34, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks again. You have offered a friendly start to my Wikipedia adventure. Tree Trimer 23:11, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank You
Thank you for the heads up and for all of your help. I like it here at Wikipedia and might hang a while. Tree Trimer 05:42, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

 * BTW, the two of you may be interested an able to help improve the Nina Foch article. The subject has apparently asked that our version be replaced with her own "official" biography, but I've replied that that really isn't appropriate. Nonetheless, our article can certainly be made better. Given the past involvement with another acting teacher, I thought this might be of interest. If not, don't worry. Cheers, -Will Beback 22:04, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The official bio can be found in the article history. I tried to find it online with Google but it didn't bring up anything. -Will Beback 07:05, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

The Jason Bennett advertisers are back!
Is there anything we can do about it? The new name this promoter is using is Ucprof. I am pretty new to Wikipedia and am not sure what to do about this. Thank you. Tree Trimer 17:58, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Request
What I'm adding is info about the subject written about (method acting and archetype work), and a link to read an article about it. It isn't spam. Please allow readers to learn about how method acting has evolved in the last 20 years. Thanks so much. Ucprof 20:22, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your watchful eyes
I was away for a few days but your watchful eyes caught the return of the Jason Bennett spam-o-rama. Thank you! Tree Trimer 15:26, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

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Talk:Exocentric

"Bittersweet" is a noun? --Trovatore 05:10, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Ooops, good catch. Yeah, it's an adjective. OK, time to think of a new example... too tired at the moment. Hmm, does "hardscrabble" (adj+verb) ever function as a noun? How about "longstanding" as an adjective? Ah, got one - "shortcoming" - adj+verb, but it's a noun. Noel (talk) 05:25, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

 * As "coming" is a gerund, rather than a finite verb, "shortcoming" is not an exocentric word, just a humdrum hyphenated noun phrase. Neither, for that matter, is "humdrum", since "hum" is a participle, a contraction of "humming" (which is how a drum with a loose head sounds).  So what does it mean, if you have a grammatical distinction but can't think of an example?

Exocentric vs Egocentric
Don't you think that a difference here should be established between exocentric and egocentric compounds? Defining exocentric in a way of comparison? Egocentric- if the meaning can be deduced from the compound (millowner, sunbeam). Exocentric- the meaning cannot be deduced as contstituent parts of a compound have different meaning when standing in isolation. However, having been joined together a resulting compound obtains an essencially different meaning. (e.g pickpocket- not a pocket nor "to pick", but what is meant is 'thief'). What do you think of my proposal?

"In the doghouse"?
I didn't want to change this since it might just be some dialectical use I'm not familiar with, but in my dialect, 'in the doghouse' means roughly 'in trouble' or 'ostracized', not 'tired'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.233.122.12 (talk) 17:49, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

That's not the problem (the author was saying that "tired" and "in the doghouse" have the same kind of function in that they are both predicative complements). The huge problem is that "in the doghouse" in absolutely not an adjective! It's a prepositional phrase! Strangeguitars (talk) 13:50, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

For the dictionary
This is a definition page - it should move to Wiktionary - it's not encyclopaedic stuff Spanglej (talk) 14:22, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Keep the entry
There is encyclopedia content - but it may be obsolete. As with the entry for endocentric. I haven't uncovered any serious use of this in linguistic theory for, say, forty years. Then again maybe obsolete theory is especially important because it will not be covered anywhere else. I leave that to people running the show.

Incidentally the adjective "incoming" is from a preposition plus a verbal nominal. If that helps as an example. DKleinecke (talk) 03:48, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

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Bogor Palace

The Bogor Palace (Istana Bogor; Het Paleis te Buitenzorg) is one of six presidential palaces of Indonesia, it is located in the city of Bogor, West Java. The palace is noted for its distinctive architectural and historical features, as well as the adjoining botanical gardens. Istana Bogor was opened to the public in 1968 to public tour groups (not individuals), with the permission of the acting president of Indonesia, Suharto. The gardens of the palace covers an area of 284,000 square metres (28.4 hectares).

During the colonial era the palace became favorite residence of the governors-general due to Bogor's more adaptable climate. It was also favored by the late President Sukarno and became the official presidential residence until his downfall in 1967. The palace remained mostly unused until February 2015, when the new president Joko Widodo moved the president's office from Merdeka Palace to Bogor Palace.

History
The original colonial building on the site of Istana Bogor was a mansion named Buitenzorg, meaning "without a care" in Dutch (also Sans Souci, meaning "without a care" in French), which dated back to 1745 as a country retreat for the Dutch governors to escape the heat and diseases of Batavia. The location for the new palace was discovered by Baron van Imhoff on 10 August 1744, in a village named Kampong Baroe. On the site he ordered a mansion to be built, however the construction was not completed by the end of his term in 1750, and thus it was continued by his successor Jacob Mossel.

An extensive renovation of the palace occurred under Governor-General Herman Willem Daendels (1808–1811). The palace was further expanded into two floors, with a new wing added in the east and west of the original structure.

In 1811 Stamford Raffles led a successful invasion of Java and Britain took possession of the colony until 1816. Raffles had Buitenzorg Palace as his residence due to the temperate climate of the hills of Bogor, while conducting most of the council meeting in the Palace of Rijswijk in Batavia. During his stay he had the garden of the Buitenzorg palace transformed into an English garden, which became an inspiration for the later botanical garden.

Later the new governor general Baron van der Capellen (1817–1826) added a small dome on the roof of the main building and founded the botanical garden next to the palace ground. However, in 1834, an earthquake triggered by the volcanic eruption of Mount Salak, heavily damaged the old palace of Buitenzorg. The ruined palace was then demolished and rebuilt into its present form in 1856— this time with only one storey instead of the original two, as a precaution against further earthquakes.

From 1870 to 1942 the Istana Bogor served as the official residence of the Dutch governor general, however state affairs were still largely conducted in Batavia. Since its foundation, a total of 44 governors-general of the Dutch East Indies had resided in the palace. After the Indonesian independence, several feature of the palace was renovated in 1952. Major changes include an additional porch at the main entrance and connecting corridors for the main buildings to its wings. The palace became the main residence of President Sukarno, but was later neglected by Suharto when he came to office.

Feature
The grounds of the estate contain several buildings, the largest are the Gedung Induk (main palace) and its two wings. The main palace building contains private offices for the head of state, library, dining room, theater room, the ministers' waiting room, the Teratai room (the living room) and the Garuda room (the main reception hall).

Two wing buildings are located east and west of the main building. The eastern wing is used as a guesthouse for foreign heads of state; during the colonial period this wing was used for the governor-general's personal guest. Meanwhile, the western wing has two main rooms: one is used as a guesthouse for ministers who accompany the main guest during a state visit, and the other is used as a conference room; during the colonial period this wing was used by the staff of the governor-general.

The palace is decorated with an extensive art collection (448 paintings, 216 sculptures and 196 ceramics), 90% of which were accumulated by Sukarno. The original historic collection of the palace was looted by Japanese and Allied force during World War 2, leaving nothing but five mirrors in the palace.

Other buildings in the palace include six pavilions: Paviliun Dyah Bayurini, Paviliun Jodipati, Paviliun Amarta, Paviliun Madukara, Paviliun Pringgondani, and Paviliun Dwarawati. Paviliun Dyah Bayurini was built in 1964 and is used by the head of state and his or her family during a stay in Bogor, the pavilion also include a swimming pool. Other buildings are used as guesthouses for government ministers and officials. There is also a multi-purpose building which was built in 1908.

Gardens
The garden covers an area of 28.4 hectare and are adjacent to Kebun Raya Bogor (Bogor Botanical Garden). A herd of spotted deer can be spotted roaming around the palace garden; they are native to India and Nepal. The deer were originally brought by the governor-general Herman Willem Daendels for hunting and sport.

There are many sculptures of various origin decorating the palace garden, some of them are noteworthy:
 * Dhyani Boddisatta, from 9th century Central Java.
 * a replica of Hand of God by Carl Milles, a gift from Swedish government.
 * a replica of The Little Mermaid.
 * a replica of The Archer, made by Zsigmond Kisfaludi Strobl in 1914.

Hotel Salak The Heritage
In 1856, along with the rebuilding of the Bogor Palace, the Dutch government built a hotel to serve as a guesthouse in Bogor Palace. The hotel was first named the Dibbets Hotel for the founder, J. Dibbets. The hotel was also once known as the Binnenhof Hotel or Bellevue Hotel.

During the Japanese occupation (1942–1945), the hotel was used as the Kempetai Headquarters (Japanese Military Police). After Indonesia's independence, the hotel was handed over to the Indonesian government and was renamed the Hotel Salak The Heritage after the name of Mount Salak, the largest mountain in Bogor. The word "The Heritage" was used to express to the public that this hotel is indeed one of the heritages of the city of Bogor.

Hotel Salak The Heritage is currently managed professionally, with 120 rooms, 12 meeting rooms, 3 restaurants, the Kinanty Music Café, a swimming pool, and other facilities. Hotel Salak The Heritage is still preserved by the government as one of the historical witnesses supporting the existence of the Bogor Palace in particular and the long history of the city of Bogor.

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North Equatorial Current

The North Equatorial Current (NEC) is a westward wind-driven current mostly located near the equator, but the location varies from different oceans. The NEC in the Pacific and the Atlantic is about 5°-20°N, while the NEC in the Indian Ocean is very close to the equator. It ranges from the sea surface down to 400 m in the western Pacific.

The NEC is driven by the north-hemisphere easterly trade wind. In couple with NEC, there is another current called South Equatorial Current (SEC), generated by the easterly trade wind in the southern hemisphere. Despite the well-coupled name of the two equatorial currents, the distribution of the NEC and the SEC is not in symmetry at the equator, but slightly northward to the equator. This asymmetric distribution is aligned to the location of the Intertropical Convergence Zone (ITCZ), which is the area that the northeast and the southeast trade wind converge.

The Equatorial Counter Current
The NEC and the SEC will generate an Equatorial Counter Current (ECC), named as the North Equatorial Counter Current (NECC) in both Pacific and Atlantic and the South Equatorial Counter Current (SECC) in the Indian Ocean.

The NEC and SEC continuously flow westward. However, the seawater does not just pile up at the west basin surface. The advent water must have gone back to the east by some means. The Sverdrup balance can partly explain where the water ends up at. When the NEC and the SEC reached the west end of a basin, some of the water travels poleward to join the low-latitude circulations, while some travels equatorward to join the Equatorial Counter Current.

The Ekman transport
The Ekman transport is a wind-driven transport. It occurs due to the rotation of the globe. A transport is found to the right of the flow direction in the northern hemisphere, while to the left of the flow in the southern hemisphere. It is noteworthy that in the tropical regions, where NEC and SEC both flow to the west, a northward Ekman transport in the NEC and a southward Ekman transport in the SEC take place. Due to the fact that the Ekman transport is perpendicular to the flow itself, these Ekman transports contribute to the meridional branch of the NEC and SEC. However, the magnitude of the meridional component is of no comparison to the current itself.

Another subsequent result of the Ekman transport is the upwelling, which occurs in between the NEC and the SEC, where a massive water divergence at the sea surface takes place.

Interaction with climate
The NEC, the SEC and the ECC play an important role in the climate system causing various of climate patterns, such as El Niño–Southern Oscillation (ENSO), the Atlantic Meridional Mode (AMM), the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO) and the seasonal monsoon in the Indian ocean. Reversely, the climate motion also affects the behavior of the equatorial current itself.

Pacific NEC
The NEC is evident around 10°-18°N across the entire Pacific basin, from the Philippines to Nicaragua. Its typical zonal velocity is $$30 cm\cdot s^{-1}$$. The NEC shows little seasonal variability, but an interannual instability. The interannual instability of the NEC is strongly linked to ENSO. The NEC strengthens in La Niña years and weakens in El Niño years.

The meridional component of the NEC, also known as the Ekman transport, is evident northward at any location all the way along with itself. When the current reaches the west end, the Philippines, it splits into two western boundary flows. One of the branches flows poleward feeding the Kuroshio Current, another one flows equatorward feeding the Mindanao Current.

This North Equatorial Current Bifurcation (NECB) plays an important role in the south Asian climate system. As currently, climate change is more and more evident, thus, leading to a more amplified migration of the NECB. As a result, this amplification of the migration may lead to redistribution of the water mass and heat transport along the western boundary, and thus warm pool and monsoon climate.

Atlantic NEC
The NEC in the Atlantic is evident around 10°-20°N, spanning the longitude from 16°-60°W. The typical flow velocity is about $$10 cm\cdot s^{-1}$$, lower than in the Pacific. Instead of interannual variability, the NEC shows a strong seasonality, in which NECC is stronger from July to December, weaker from January to June. Besides, the NEC is more equatorward from January to June.

The NEC splits into two after reaching the north of South America, joining the North Brazil Current (NBC) and the NECC respectively. The northward meridional Ekman transport dominates the tropical Atlantic Ocean, playing a very important role in the northward heat transport. This strong northward surface transport is well known as the upper component of the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC). On a seasonal time scale, variability of the heat transport is responsible for the tropical sea temperature anomaly. The temperature anomaly at the sea surface is a possible cause that leads to Atlantic hurricane season.

On the interannual and longer timescales, the equatorial and tropical Atlantic ocean has a strong interaction with the dynamics of several patterns of variabilities, the Atlantic Niño, the Atlantic Meridional Mode (AMM) and the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO).

The Indian Ocean NEC
The NEC in the Indian ocean is strongly affected by the continent to the north. The NEC is more southward than the other two oceans, which drives the Equatorial Counter Current to the southern hemisphere. So, the counter current is called South Equatorial Counter Current (SECC) here.

The NEC sits right on the equator, across a longitude from 45°-100°E. The typical speed in the winter can reach up to $$50 cm\cdot s^{-1}$$, thanks to the northeast seasonal wind from the continent. In the Indian Ocean, the NEC is faster than the SEC. Multiple reasons are considered. The equator-located NEC receives more solar heat than the more poleward-located SEC, which leads to a much denser but thinner upper layer for the NEC. The current flows faster in the thinner layer. Another reason is due to the smaller Coriolis effect at the equator. The NEC, thus, is more aligned to the westward wind on the equator.

The NEC shows a very strong seasonal pattern. During January and February, thanks to the prevailing northeast wind, the NEC travels all the way to the east coast of Somalia and joins the Somali Current flowing towards the southwest to feed the SECC. As a result, SECC is strong during the winter. And at this time, the NEC carries surface waters from the southern Bay of Bengal to the southern Arabian Sea. While during July and August, the location of the NEC moves southward and the Somali Current reverses. As a result, the NEC and the SEC feed Somali Current instead of the SECC. So, the SECC becomes very weak. Due to the prevailing southwest wind in the summer, the surface waters move from the southern Arabian Sea to the southern Bay of Bengal.

During the transition of these two phases, specifically around May and November, the NEC becomes very weak, almost invisible in Figure 3. Instead of the NEC, a strong eastward current is found near the equator, known as the Wyrtki jets.

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Diadectes

Diadectes (meaning crosswise-biter) is an extinct genus of large reptiliomorphs or synapsids that lived during the early Permian period (Artinskian-Kungurian stages of the Cisuralian epoch, between 290 and 272 million years ago). Diadectes was one of the first herbivorous tetrapods, and also one of the first fully terrestrial vertebrates to attain large size.

Description
Diadectes was a heavily built animal, up to 3 m long, with a thick-boned skull, heavy vertebrae and ribs, massive limb girdles, and short, robust limbs. The nature of the limbs and vertebrae clearly indicates a terrestrial animal. The rib cage was assumed to be barrel-shaped, but new fossils show the ribs were actually sticking out to the sides.

Paleobiology
It possesses some characteristics of reptilians and amphibians, combining a reptile-like skeleton with a more primitive, seymouriamorph-like skull. Diadectes has been classified as belonging to the sister group of the amniotes. Among its primitive features, Diadectes has a large otic notch (a feature found in all labyrinthodonts, but not in reptiles) with an ossified tympanum. At the same time, its teeth show advanced specialisations for an herbivorous diet that are not found in any other type of early Permian animal. The eight front teeth are spatulate and peg-like, and served as incisors that were used to nip off mouthfuls of vegetation. The broad, blunt cheek teeth show extensive wear associated with occlusion, and would have functioned as molars, grinding up the food. It also had a partial secondary palate, which meant it could chew its food and breathe at the same time, something many even more advanced reptiles were unable to do.

These traits are likely adaptations related to the animals' high-fiber, herbivorous diet, and evolved independently of similar traits seen in some reptilian groups. Many of the reptile-like details of the postcranial skeleton are possibly related to carrying the substantial trunk; these may be independently derived traits on Diadectes and their relatives. Though very similar, they would be analogous rather than homologous to those of early amniotes such as pelycosaurs and pareiasaurs, as the first reptiles evolved from small, swamp-dwelling animals like Casineria and Westlothiana. The phenomenon of unrelated animals evolving similarly is known as convergent evolution.

Discovery
Diadectes was first named and described by American paleontologist Edward Drinker Cope in 1878, based on part of a lower jaw (AMNH 4360) from the Permian of Texas. Cope noted: "Teeth with short and much compressed crowns, whose long axis is transverse to that of the jaws," the feature expressed in the generic name Diadectes "crosswise biter" (from Greek dia "crosswise" + Greek dēktēs "biter"). He described the animal as "in all probability, herbivorous." Cope's neo-Latin type species name sideropelicus (from Greek sidēros "iron" + Greek pēlos "clay" + -ikos) "of iron clay" alluded to the Wichita beds in Texas, where the fossil was found. Diadectes fossil remains are known from a number of locations across North America, especially the Texas Red Beds (Wichita and Clear Fork).

Classification and species
Numerous species have been assigned to Diadectes, though most of those have proven to be synonyms of one another. Similarly, many supposed separate genera of diadectids have been shown to be junior synonyms of Diadectes. One of these, Nothodon, was actually published by Othniel Charles Marsh five days before the name Diadectes was published by his rival Cope. Despite this fact, in 1912, Case synonymized the two names and treated Diadectes as the senior synonym, which has been followed by other paleontologists since, despite the fact that it violates the rules of International Code of Zoological Nomenclature (ICZN).

Phylogeny
A phylogenetic analysis of Diadectes and related diadectids was presented in an unpublished PhD thesis by Richard Kissel in 2010. Previous phylogenetic analyses of diadectids had found D. sanmiguelensis and D. absitus to be more basal than other species of Diadectes, outside the derived clade composed of these species. In these analyses, Diasparactus zenos was more closely related to the other species of Diadectes than was D. sanmiguelensis and D. absitus, making Diadectes paraphyletic. Kissel recovered this paraphyly in his analysis and proposed the new genus name "Oradectes" for D. sanmiguelensis, and "Silvadectes" for D. absitus. Below is the cladogram from Kissel's thesis:

However, according to the ICZN, a name presented in an initially unpublished thesis such as Kissel's is not valid. Because the names "Oradectes" and "Silvadectes" have not yet been formally erected in a published paper, they were not, as of 2010, considered valid. A 2024 paper formally erected the genus Kuwavaatakdectes for D. sanmiguelensis. The same paper also named another Diadectes species, D. dreigleichenensis, which coexisted with D. absitus in the Tambach Formation of Germany.

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Criticisms Section
Made some grammatical and vocabulary changes to make the paragraph flow more smoothly. For example, "critical criticism" while not inaccurate is awkward, and is somewhat redundant. "At present" is better language than "right now" for an encyclopedia. Also the project makes "claims" supported by "evidence" (rather than "presenting evidence" supported by "evidence" etc... JimZDP 03:44, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Title part of name
I propose that the title of the people in the witnesses list be transferred to the occupation cell for visual clarity. __meco 06:48, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Sounds good to me (:O) -Nima Baghaei (talk) 16:47, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

From the archive
The human mind/soul needs 'ascension' and 'physical recycling'. Dec-22-2012 is supposed to be the date (end of Mayan calendar). Human minds/souls are in extreme disharmony with itself, with nature, and the rest of this 'physical' universe, and under suicidal worship of matter and physical. For sake of all the suffering (human) minds/souls (beyond comprehension and negating all possible definitions of justice), as well as the rest of the (consciousness in/of this) universe/infoverse..., humans need to be recycled. Whatever is willing and ready to ascend into pure-energy-vehicle (physical form) as one merged human consciousness (the mind/soul driving that pure energetic form in symbiosis with all the information, including that form itself) should ascend, naturally with the 'backup' of all the human morphic fields 'database', containing complete human experience through its entire 'evolution', and human bodies should all be destroyed not to abuse and pollute this planet any more. Ndru01 12:45, May 27, 2006 (UTC).
 * Let me eat your body. Genjix 23:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

And you are who/what?... Demons DO 'eat' human bodies (matter=quantum energy, but fueled by orgones as all organic forms are) in certain ways, faster or slower, either indirectly, via 'polluting' human thoughts, or more directly... But that won't be possible anymore after Dec-2012... Ndru01

And ascension is not 'destroying' human bodies! Only the physicial vehicle (which is an 'informational illusion' anyways) is 'transformed'. The human race as one merged consciousness will after ascension continue to exist, in a significantly better way. All the previous experiences of human race are already preserved in the Akashic Records. There will be no more entrapment in numerous various physical forms/bodies, but only 1 pure energetic form (capable of manifesting itself in all kinds of superiour ways) as a 'vehicle' for the whole human race, and all new experience will count as OUR/MY/YOUR experience of One super-(new)'human' being (super-conscious entity), whether gained through that (energetic) super-vehicle as a whole, or as some part of it (but always conscious of-, and in harmony with- the Whole)... Ndru01

documentation

 * 1) The specific quotes made in the table need specific documentation--it is not acceptable to make only a single general overall reference to an outside source--the original in each case should be found and cited. The quotes from the NPC conference must be documented either also by specific page numbers from a transcript, or from a specific 3rd party RS that reports the conference,  or specific time reference from the video if there is no available transcript.
 * 2) In the references section, references 1, 4, and 7 are unacceptable, and possibly ref 4 if it is self-published.
 * 3) But in a more positive way, from the further reading, the Fox item could be used as a reference, and possibly one or two of the others. DGG (talk) 18:14, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Unless someone can fix them, I am about to remove the unacceptable material. I will also place a fact tag after each quotation, and remove it if unsourced. DGG (talk) 06:25, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

NPOVing and trimming
I have conducted a massive purge of the article, in an attempt to make it respect WP:NPOV, WP:PSEUDOSCIENCE, and WP:N. Some of the material I removed may be suitable to be re-added, but please discuss it here before doing so. Michaelbusch (talk) 21:29, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

 * A preliminary question, why did you remove several obviously appropriate categories from the article, such as categorization by year of establishment? __meco (talk) 21:33, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Complete list of category changes: removed 'black projects', 'organizations based in the US', 'Advocacy groups', '1993 establishments', added 'conspiracy theories'. The Disclosure Project is very obviously not a black project and fits under conspiracy theory. I removed 'advocacy groups' because it isn't clear what the Disclosure Project's goals are - they may say they want Congressional hearings on UFOs, but since they've had no success in this, there's been a change of emphasis towards getting any sort of widespread recognition. You could make a case for adding back the last two, but remember that 'organizations based in the US' and '1993 establishments' are flagged for sub-category tagging rather than putting things in the main category. Michaelbusch (talk) 21:43, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I think you have misunderstood the implication of that tagging. It should not be understood to mean that articles should not be placed into those categories if an appropriate sub-category cannot be found. In fact, having an aggregation in those parent categories are exactly how sub-categories are incepted. __meco (talk) 21:53, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Well enough. Included 'organizations based in Virginia' and 'organizations established in 1993'. Michaelbusch (talk) 22:19, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

External Links Section
Although in this article it states: "A complete list of people supporting the Project and claiming knowledge of UFO-related activity and their employment history and testimony, is available in the "Briefing Document" in the external links", this is not the case, as no external links are present in this article. 121.44.215.132 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 04:14, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Looks like the External Links section was earlier removed, (justifiably IMO), thus the sentence refers to a link that is no longer there. I might support including the link to the "Briefing Document" in the references, if only so a reader can find the list being referred to.  Due warning, though, that list makes ludicrous claims as to claimed support for UFO's (quotes out of context, etc, etc). Thoughts anyone? The briefing document is here. Plvekamp (talk) 00:18, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

This is backwards
Why is that you take the word from that one man called James Randi, when Steven Greer has a list of over 400 withnesses in which a considerable amount of them relates or is directly connected to top government projects and high military posts, and also that the testimonies which has been recorded on tape is for everyone to see. I'll bet that most you who have written on this page hasn't even seen one of those testimonies yet, you don't consider the evidence and the status of the people who have told this, you have have just predetermined your mind like there isn't any evidence. This is what's called the status quo, and as long as you don't dear to look past what you've been told by the media and the politicans, you will newer be able to find the truth about UFO's and goverment cover-up's. Its up to you if you want to be open or not, if you want to know, you can do so. But if you don't, than nobody can force it upon you and you can continiue to be ignorant to the situation. --77.110.193.121 (talk) 08:09, 5 June 2008 (UTC) It was written by me :) --Nabo0o (talk) 08:10, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I have seen the testimonies. That is the entire total of Greer's 'evidence': testimonies of self-proclaimed witnesses who have some credentials.  Now, just to be clear on this: these testimonies were not taken under oath, so under the law the speakers can say whatever they want, even blatant falsehoods, without penalty.  That of course does not help us judge the validity of their testimony, because there is no other supporting evidence.  That is Randi's point: anyone can say anything, but that doesn't make it true.  If Greer would present a single functioning piece of alien technology, under conditions sufficient to reasonably exclude fraud, his claims might be believable.  That he does not do so, despite claiming that there is such, is good evidence that he doesn't have anything at all.  James Randi is an expert at debunking extraordinary claims, because he has spent much of his life doing so, and because he spent most of the rest as a stage magician, making him extremely good at detecting a fraud. Michaelbusch (talk) 02:22, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

 * "If Greer would present a single functioning piece of alien technology, under conditions sufficient to reasonably exclude fraud, his claims might be believable." I agree with your point, but your reasoning is wrong.  For instance, can YOU present a single functioning hydrogen bomb?  No.  Greer's not claiming he HAS alien technology, only that it exists.  Still an extraordinary claim, but not the one you implicityl ascribed to him.68.163.65.143 (talk) 18:57, 26 June 2008 (UTC)Googlegooglegoogle

 * I may not be personally able to produce a hydrogen bomb, but it's reasonable to say that one could be produced by a person with the authority to do so. We're not debating the existence of nuclear fusion. If alien technology exists, we need better evidence than unverifiable anecdotes. A physical example of it - "under conditions sufficient to reasonably exclude fraud" - is the standard of proof I would accept, whether the technology is in Greer's possession or someone else's. Plvekamp (talk) 21:08, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

 * I was asked for a comment by someone who is apparently rather sympathetic to the project. Although I totally disagree with every argument he makes about the validity of the project's claims,   I think it would in fact be better to avoid trying to quickly summarize what's wrong them here, which requires an analysis of  the evidence respecting ufos, over-unity devices, and alien technology. This is the article about the project, and that's difficult enough to do. To find out about the various topics that it deals with,  and the degree of credence that should be placed on the various theories, we have articles on them, which are tricky enough to handle individually by themselves, and this article  should just refer to them.  As an analogy, an article about, say, the Australian Communist Party need not go into the validity of Leninism.  Personally, for someone like myself with a SPOV, simply saying the project supports the reality of some of these things is quite sufficient condemnation of it and its supporters. I might want to find out about the specific activities of this group, and that's what the article is for. For someone who entertains seriously the possibility of any of these proposals, similarly all we can do is talk about the project itself. The arguments for their reality must be elsewhere. For anyone who does not know what to make of them, again anything here is too brief to do the controversy justice, and they must read our fuller articles. And, as I have said elsewhere, If those fuller articles are written competently and objectively, presenting the claims of the ufologists etc. as they make them, no reasonable person should fail to draw the correct conclusions, and, if not, we have no business telling them what they are supposed to be thinking. This article is not about trying to decide and tell people whether Greer is correct or is self-deluded. DGG (talk) 02:52, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

 * In the abstract, I'd agree that the reader does not need comprehensive arguments about UFOlogy in this article; rather, the reader should be referred to existing articles on the subject. Specific details, though - such as the witness list, Mitchell's objection to being included, and Randi's debunking of the project - belong here. They apply chiefly to the project, not UFOlogy in general.  Just my two cents. Plvekamp (talk) 03:25, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

The Project has been well-received by UFO enthusiasts,
I have just read this and would have to disagree. Many, if not most now, found this event to be one of the most harmful things to have ever happened in "ufology" in years. Firstly, among the some credible witnesses we find the usual "loonies" helping to greatly discredit the "good ones". Secondly, it was only after this conference that many of these poor fools discovered that Greer is not only a 21st century "space brother" but can remote view, teach the secrets of the universe and fly!

Before I include this - and provide sources to support this view - would anyone like to comment? The7thdr (talk) 09:00, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

I suggest we remove the wording 'UFO enthousiast', it doesn't really mean anything. In case it refers to scholars on ufos, it's a highly pejorative term. Maybe 'experts in the field of ufology' would be better. Thodef (talk) 10:36, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Bankrolled by the Rockefellers?
This article claims that the Disclosure Project was bankrolled by the Rockefellers. Is there any truth to this? __meco (talk)

Regarding removing non notable names/those without wikipedia articles
With respect I must disagree, it is not meant to be just a 'list of notable people' in general but rather witnesses that are notable in relation to the subject. It's meant to assert notability within this specific project and the diversity of military/governmental departments. -- œ ™ 06:01, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

 * and how do you plan to assert notability without any sources? the ones who have wikipedia articles are assumed to be notable, since notability is a criterion for inclusion. however, how do you assert notability for the ones i've removed who don't have an article? how do we know these people really exist? because one WP:SPS (the official website of the article in question) mentions them? How do we know their job title is accurate? the same WP:SPS? how do we know their job was even important and not just exaggerated in an appeal to authority? we don't. as far as i'm concerned, if a third party, reliable source doesn't mention them as being notable/important for the same reasons that the disclosure project's website says, then we are being bad editors. we have to be more discerning than that Theserialcomma (talk) 17:43, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

 * This article is about the project, and the project claims that those people are involved with it. It's not our job to try to prove whether these people exist or the accuracy of their job titles, but only to show what the project is claiming. For this list IN RELATION TO THE SUBJECT only the one source is needed, their notability outside of this subject is irrelevant. Read WP:SELFPUB, this list meets all points. I'll revert once more but I'm not going to violate 3RR, I suggest we get a third opinion to reach a consensus. -- œ ™ 18:46, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:BLP trumps WP:SELFPUB. i.e. "Never use self-published books, zines, websites, webforums, blogs or tweets as sources for material about a living person, unless written or published by the subject of the biographical material" and "Editors must take particular care adding biographical material about a living person to any Wikipedia page. " and "Material about living persons must be sourced very carefully. Without reliable third-party sources, it may include original research and unverifiable statements"  Theserialcomma (talk) 19:19, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * further "Material that may adversely affect a person's reputation should be treated with special care. In the laws of many countries, simply repeating the defamatory claims of another is illegal, and there are special protections for people who are not public figures. Any such potentially damaging information about a private person, if corroborated by multiple, highly reliable sources, may be cited if and only if: (1) the allegations are relevant to the subject's notability and (2) the Wikipedia article states that the sources make certain "allegations", without the Wikipedia article taking a position on their truth." saying people are involved in this project involving the truth about aliens could be considered disparaging. I would wait for third party sources to name any names. self published sources are not good enough. this could hurt someone's reputation, conceivably. Theserialcomma (talk) 19:21, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I saw this pop up on Third Opinion, and in taking a quick glance I am wondering, are there sources unrelated to the Project itself that says that any of these individuals are involved with the project (or alternatively, that they are uninvolved)? PGWG (talk) 19:36, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

(Found on WP:3) I'll direct interested parties to WP:NLIST - every person in a list of people must fulfill WP:Notability, and must have a WP:RS to merit their inclusion in the list. WP:SELFPUB criteria #2 then excludes The Disclosure Project's website as a WP:RS for said inclusion. So unless a reliable third-party source can be found for nearly everyone on that list, it needs to be trimmed down quite a bit. Also, FWIW, the list in question IMO does not add enough Encyclopaedic value to merit its inclusion in the first place (and it looks to be nearly directly plagiarized from the given source) - the article would be much better served by writing something like "The Disclosure Project backs up its claims with written statements and accounts allegedly from experts in the field, such as military personnel and defense industry employees" MildlyMadContribs 19:45, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * per the policy cited above, every name should be removed unless there is evidence of WP:N and mention of their relation to the project coming from a WP:RS Theserialcomma (talk) 20:53, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

OK, I could probably come back at ya with more wikilawyering, but at the risk of this article getting stubbified by falling victim to a strict interpretation of every guideline in the books, conflicting or otherwise, I think i'll defer to the third opinion and revert back to the trimmed list. :) -- œ ™ 01:00, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * i don't think it's wikilawyering. i think it's common sense. putting peoples' names in an article that says that aliens have been visiting earth and the government is hiding it = fringe, and possibly defamatory. if these people are substantiated as supporting this by a third party, reliable source, then it's not wikipedia's onus to prove or disprove it. and without a reliable source to state these names are connected to this project, we are editing contrary to wikipedia policy i.e. WP:BLP . Theserialcomma (talk) 01:54, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

removing notable witnesses section
as per the previous conversation, i believe that most of the section is a big BLP violation. i am removing the names for now, but feel free to add them back when there are third party, reliable sources for each name.

 * Before you removed these names, did you check to see whether any of these people were attendees at the 2001 press conference that the Disclosure Project trumpets? BWH76 (talk) 09:43, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Public reception
This section needs a rework. It's clearly written with a sceptical mindset, since only sources of such nature are cited. What is the worth for such a paragraph called 'public reception' anyway, if it doesn't include the fact that the press conference was, at the time, the MOST watched broadcast from the National Press Club EVER ;-) Thodef (talk) 10:43, 23 October 2009 (UTC)?

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