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Talk:Southeast Raleigh Magnet High School

Vote for Deletion
This article survived a Vote for Deletion. The discussion can be found here. -Splash 00:11, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Expose Southeast
What about a list of teachers who are not returning next year? There must be atleast 20+ leaving.

stop being pc and spit the truth southeast sux and get over it unsigned edit by

I cannot believe the school would go so far as to trying to protect its already diminished image on wikipedia. That is as low as it gets. After bad publicity in the N&O, unpopularity among students at SRMHS, and a spot on WRAL's 6-o clock news regarding Calculus 3 and the school's clear "budget crisis," the school is attempting to sweep the dust under the rug. unsigned edit by

Wikipedia is a project of global scale. There are more than 500,000 registered users worldwide. There have been more than 26 million edits to this encyclopedia since its inception. It is not realistic to believe that administrators of Wikipedia are working in collusion with the faculty of your high school. We are applying policy only, especially with regards to the neutral point of view which the encyclopedia must maintain. Adding content such as the students being dismayed that one of the administrators of your school is not retiring is not neutral. I invite your positive, neutral and sourced contributions to the encyclopedia. If you can not do that, your changes will be reverted. This is not some conspiracy out to cover up whatever evils your high school is supposedly involved in. We are here to write an encyclopedia. --Durin 04:20, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

The Article Revisited...
The following are a list of facts that an anonymous author posted and are truly false.

Myth: "Beginning the 2004-2005 school year, the school changed it's name to Southeast Raleigh Magnet High School: Center for Leadership and Technology. The name change came with a new intiative on the part of former principal John Modest to encourage students through school activities to develop strong leadership skills. Furthermore, the institution felt the move represented an attempt to boost the school's success in academics."

Fact: Southeast has seen a steady decline in mathematics and science programs recently; consequently, the genious administrators felt a theme change would cover up the mess. It's very absurd that such a change would be implemented when the school has the science and math infrastructure.

I think I will do a revision a day since: the tip of the iceberg. unsigned edit by

It is rather unfortunate that the administration censors anything that it finds negative about the school; no matter how true it is. unsigned edit by

We are not censoring negative facts, we are following wikipedia's guidelines on keeping a Neutral point of view which means that negative statements can be made only if they are backed up with facts and personal opinions are not allowed in articles, if you continue to vandalize this page you may be blocked for editing for vandalism. Jtkiefer T - 23:09, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

I believe the previous user was referring to the SRMHS Administration. The school is truly falling apart. There is numerical data and such to support the claims. SRMHS Administration is the one blocking the truth. The administration is just upset and frustrated that students are sick and fed up with the school's overall atmosphere; however, I will abstain from invective language. -Nopc22

As I've said before that's not Wikipedia's problem and if you take them here by inserting blatantly point of view statements your edits will be treated as vandalism and reverted. Jtkiefer T - 23:43, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

About Calculus 3
In order to have a class at the school, there must be at least 8 people signed up to take the class. That is the reason that we do not have a Calculus 3 class. Now the School System should have worked out a deal with NC State to reduce or eliminate the tuition fees but they have not. This is not JUST the school. Mr. Modest would pay for the kids to go to state; however, it was against the wishes of the magnet board and he repeatidly had to "ask for forgiveness". Even though I whole heartidly agree that this school is falling apart, the Calculus 3 fiasco is not fully the school's fault. teh Mephisto 17:14, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

The new administration failed to inform this to incoming students and if there was no Calculus 3 class offered on campus, the class would not have appeared on the students' transcripts. Don't talk about what you don't know and I say if a class is PUT ON A STUDENT'S SCHEDULE BEFORE SCHOOL EVEN STARTS, it's the school's responsibility to fulfill the student's educational needs to which the school and the school system promised to satisfy. Why do we hold back students who are academically gifted just so those behind can catch up? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.163.122.225 (talk • contribs)

vprotected
this article has been protected to prevent vandalism. Jtkiefer T - 00:06, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

However, the fact that "SRMHSadmin" has been appointed by SRMHS to come on wikipedia to advertently reverse the truth is quite distasteful and very immature. If the school needs to appoint someone to log onto wikipedia to change the information, then obviously, SRMHS has something to hide. I know the students who were involved in the Calculus III case and can account the numerous tete-a-tetes the students have had with the principal. The school is truly in a budget crisis, cutting funds from all educational departments, and while the SRMHSadmin continues to make FALSE statements on the page, including changing: "cutting funds from math..." to "improving funds to math..." in the administration portion, it remains dispicable to see that because of SRMHSadmin's status, that this person is INFACT, treated as the true keeper of the word, when in fact, the truth is just being reversed. The students have gone to the Board of Education to complain, called an NC Senator, and even talked to the Superintendent who continue to have no response. With no response from the school board or the Superintendent, who is infact good friends with the principal of SRMHS, SRMHSadmin and this "admin's" superior, are truely blocking the truth that the public deserves to know.

If this so called "vandalism" continues, it is possible that local news coverage will cover SRMHS's task of covering the truth on a website like wikipedia. If we continue to allow the public to read all the commentary SRMHSadmin has been placing on the website, we cheat both ourselves and our right to the truth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.148.171.178 (talk • contribs)

 * I'm watching him as well, NPOV rules go both ways so if he unfairly adds opinion just to flatter the school he'll be violating the rules as well, and in terms of having to get the word out, go to the newspaper, protest just keep it off Wikipedia. Jtkiefer  T - 01:52, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

It's not the matter of opinion that SRMHS admin is adding its the fact that he reverses words. Reversing words from "cutting" to "improving," words from "decreasing" to "increasing," and many other references, opinion is not a matter involved with SRMHSadmin's actions, its the admin's act of REVERSING THE TRUTH. In doing so, opinion is not added, the school is just becoming "flattered" by lies that attempt at polishing the school's diminishing image after Mr. John Modest's leave.
 * Well he has been warned (click the history link to view the page history as he has blanked the content of the talk page several times in the past), blatantly flaunting Wikipedia's neutral point of view rules is a serious issue and as I said above even though blocks are to be avoided if possible (thus talking here rather than blocking all involved users and IP's) I have no problem blocking anyone who refuses to follow Wikipedia's rules and guidelines and that includes people on both sides of the issue. Jtkiefer  T - 02:04, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

One note, had the school truthfully increased funds to the math department, SRMHS would definately have a Calculus III teacher that would uphold the school's image as a magnet school. When that fact is supported by www.wral.com, and then the wikipedia article later goes on to say that the school is increasing funds, that is a bit contradictory, wouldn't you suppose? Therefore, I propose a change on that section from "increasing" to decreasing. Funds to the art department have been cut by 40%, a definate lie on admin's part.

support your info
On a similar topic to the above ones, I'd like to remind all the editors of this article that all information has to be sourced and that any unsourced info can and most likely will be removed, also opinions have no place in Wikipedia articles so please keep them to yourselves. Jtkiefer T - 02:18, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

I believe it to be hilarious that the previous poster is entirely hypocritical in requiring sources for the submission of fact. The fact that none of the current "sources" prove anything within the article is a riot. Are students not primary sources of everyday life at the school? Are administrators not? Is Wikipedia a source in and of itself? Does Wikipedia require sources for the posting of information? I propose, in order to relieve the tensions between the student body and the administration, a come to jesus moment. Obviously we are all biased in some way. Don't get on your high horse. Don't be hypocritical about sources (increasing funding!?!). Wikipedia is free source. Make it democratic. Make it as it is supposed to be. "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" (Palahuniuk). In 'vprotecting' this article, you disenfranchise the powerless. Let the voices be heard, and if it is "vandalism," you can always revert, report and ban.

Moral: Don't be a hypocrite with power. It never leads to a good rep. for anybody.

My MLK jr. moment for the week; not Malcolm X, but maybe next time.-GLove

 * Wikipedia is not a democracy. Further, single points of data from a single student does not constitute factual data. Biased comments in the encyclopedia based on anecdotal information will be removed.--Durin 14:57, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

A group of students, not one, agree that the school's overall atmosphere is declining. We all have experiences to buttress such a notion, so then how do we prove it? Several of the fixes made by srhsadmin are false, and it is difficult to quantify the students' facts when class enrollment data and such are withheld by the administration. -Nopc22

According to the article, the school has had a "strong emphasis on athletics, academics and extracurricular activities, like the FIRST team." In response to comments made by srhsadmin, the previous statement is a blatant lie. If we have had such a "strong emphasis," how come Science Olympiad nearly went extinct this year if it weren't for some students? If we have had such a "strong emphasis," how come our school only has one section of calculus? And if we have had such a "strong emphasis," how come our school does not have a FIRST Team as of this moment? There are some serious questions that need to be asked of the school. As for the signature, I prefer my style. -Nopc22
 * Your style of signature is improper because it does not time stamp your entries. As such, it can be difficult to follow where in the discussion your comment is taking place. Please use ~ . Thank you. --Durin 14:31, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

 * If you are inferring that SRHS's administration is here at Wikipedia changing this article to their point of view, I doubt you are correct. I am not aware of any such person. As to a group of students vs. one; it doesn't really matter in this context. What matters is neutral point of view (Neutral point of view) which can't be observed by culling content from observations by one or even a thousand students. How then do you prove it? Go to the local press, get them to write an article about the problems, and reference the article back here and then we'll have an independently verifiable source of information. Also, please note that you can add ~ to the end of your comments on talk pages and it will automatically sign for you. Thanks for your patience, --Durin 22:21, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Base vs. Magnet Students
Concerning the following, "SRMHS is a Magent High School, which means it has seats reserved for students that have been identified as Academically Gifted." This is not what a "magnet school" refers to, a magnet school is one in which has a certain specialty, in the case of SRHS, technology. You certainly do not have to be "Academically Gifted." Unless there are any objections, I will remove that entire paragraph.

It also contains the lines, "Such students historically do very poorly academically and bring down the quality of a school." in reference to students from the surrounding area. A comment like this has no place on Wikipedia unless it can be cited. OPaul 00:33, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


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I found out that gord is also a plant. A few pictures of it can be found at gord plant as jungle plant 44 KB and

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I recommend doing a search at Scroogle Scraper 7 because five Google results are missing from Yahoo's top 100.

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Chesapeake City Public Schools

Chesapeake Public Schools (CPS), also known as Chesapeake City Public Schools, is the school division that administers public education in the United States city of Chesapeake, Virginia. The superintendent is Dr. Jared A. Cotton. On July 27, 2020, the division school board voted a 100% online start to the 2020–21 school year.

History
In 2004 the school board revealed a building plan that stated that the renovations needed to the schools would total $500,000.

Schools

 * High schools
 * Deep Creek High School
 * Grassfield High School
 * Great Bridge High School
 * Hickory High School
 * Indian River High School
 * Oscar Smith High School
 * Western Branch High School

 * Middle schools
 * Crestwood Middle School
 * Deep Creek Middle School
 * Great Bridge Middle School
 * Greenbrier Middle School
 * Hickory Middle School
 * As of 2004 the official capacity is 1,500, but the school had 1,871. To deal with the overcrowding the school had 26 portable classrooms.
 * Indian River Middle School
 * Jolliff Middle School
 * Hugo Owens Middle School
 * Oscar Smith Middle School
 * In 2004 Matthew Bowers of The Virginian Pilot wrote that the building's condition was deteriorating and that compared to Hickory Middle, "is even more crowded".
 * Western Branch Middle School

 * Elementary schools
 * B. M. Williams Primary
 * Butts Road Intermediate
 * Butts Road Primary School
 * Camelot Elementary School
 * Carver Intermediate School
 * Cedar Road Elementary
 * Chittum Elementary School
 * Crestwood Intermediate
 * Deep Creek Central Elementary
 * Deep Creek Elementary
 * Georgetown Primary
 * Grassfield Elementary School
 * Great Bridge Intermediate
 * Great Bridge Primary School
 * Greenbrier Intermediate
 * Greenbrier Primary School
 * Hickory Elementary School
 * Norfolk Highlands Primary
 * Portlock Primary School
 * Rena B. Wright Primary
 * Southeastern Elementary
 * Southwestern Elementary
 * Sparrow Road Intermediate
 * Thurgood Marshall Elementary
 * Treakle Elementary School
 * Truitt Intermediate
 * Western Branch Intermediate
 * Western Branch Primary

title: Chesapeake City Public Schools


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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rose George

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Keep --Aranda56 06:32, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Rose George
There are very few citations or footnotes for this article. It reads like self-promotion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.76.8.93 (talk) 16:49, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

VfD not previously listed - no vote --Doc (?) 00:28, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Reads like a vanity page. Exploding Boy 00:13, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * KEEP - Perhaps, but she is very notable. One of Britain's biggest journalists (23,000+ hits on Google), who has written for Financial Times (equivalent to Wall Street Journal), Daily Telegraph (biggest broadsheet paper in UK), Independent etc. How many westerners are invited to Saddam Hussein's birthday party??? 62.254.64.14 16:56, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * This user has been blocked for vandalism. --malathion talk 23:54, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * That wasn't me! As the talk page clearly says, it is a proxy account used by an entire county of people (apparently 500,000+ people). So get your facts right before making such accusations. 62.254.64.14 09:39, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, there's no way of establishing that particular "fact." As I suggested on your talk page, if you want to contribute regularly and be taken seriously, you should create a user name.  Exploding Boy 16:47, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * No biting. At least here nothing this anon is saying shouldn't be "taken seriously." I'm keep and have tidied the page slightly. Marskell 17:37, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep This is one of the most well-known writers in the country. Shouldn't be deleted, but needs expanding / cleaning up a lot. MorganStanMan 19:50, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, notable journalist. Nandesuka 02:03, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, but it still reads like a fan gush. Geogre 03:26, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, notable journalist, but the article needs to be cleaned up. Carioca 01:35, September 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and delist, obviously notable. —RaD Man (talk 07:26, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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User talk:IceCreamAntisocial

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DYK nomination of Lupinus sericeus
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DYK problem
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 * Nice work. I once spent a morning helping poison a patch of the stuff by hand to keep it from beating out the local Stylisma pickeringii. Are you familiar with either Biodiversity Heritage Library or Botanicus? Between them, they have all but the past few years of American Fern Journal and many of the East Coast botanical journals available free online; maybe there's something there you'll find useful for your coast. Choess (talk) 07:25, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

 * Thank you! - IceCreamAntisocial (talk) 14:44, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Carex inops
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A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you! And thank you very much for doing all those DYKs! -IceCreamAntisocial (talk) 09:21, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Your plant in a quintuple hook!
Just an fyi. ;) Rcej (Robert) – talk  04:47, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * lol, very cool. Love those fungi. -IceCreamAntisocial (talk) 08:03, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Salix alaxensis
Greetings, IceCreamAntisocial! Just dropping by to let you know I've nominated Salix alaxensis for DYK. Cheers! :) Wilhelmina Will (talk) 07:25, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you! IceCreamAntisocial (talk) 19:22, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Smilax laurifolia
Hello! Your submission of Smilax laurifolia at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Mattythewhite (talk) 20:54, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

A Barnstar for you

 * Thank you!! IceCreamAntisocial (talk) 08:21, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

New Panicum repens article
Thank you very much! -IceCreamAntisocial (talk) 11:21, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Salix arbusculoides
Hello, IceCreamAntisocial & Rcej. Can any more info be added to the articles as suggested by the DYK reviewer, please? Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 19:35, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * "Salix arbusculoides" somehow got promoted by itself. Not sure what to do with the other 5.  I'll try to make hooks for them on Template:Did you know nominations/Salix richardsonii, Salix brachycarpa, Salix glauca, Salix hastata, Salix pulchra. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 02:14, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your efforts -IceCreamAntisocial (talk) 11:21, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Corema conradii
I've "sexed this up" with a little more info on the event that prompted Martine et al. to write their paper and submitted it for DYK. It was a pleasure to see you create this; I got to see one of the few other Pine Barrens populations in bud last year. Choess (talk) 23:56, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * That's great, thanks! -IceCreamAntisocial (talk) 01:00, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Carex petasata for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Carex petasata is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Carex petasata until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. WOLfan112 (talk) 18:43, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * lol. -IceCreamAntisocial (talk) 22:10, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks and a barnstar for you!

 * Thank you! I enjoy making the articles! -IceCreamAntisocial (talk) 21:02, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks again
...for making some unusual plants appear in Wikipedia, in this case Narthecium americanum. I should be able to get a photo for that this summer. (I'll try to get it in bloom at Webb's Mill, but I should be visiting Warren Grove in the fall.) I might just stumble across Euphorbia purpurea elsewhere (I'll be botanizing something else in an area with known populations), but that's likely to be harder to spot. Choess (talk) 06:48, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That sounds fun. You're welcome and thank you. -IceCreamAntisocial (talk) 07:59, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Precious

 * Thank you! -IceCreamAntisocial (talk) 06:24, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

 * A year ago, you were the 78th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, you are an awesome Wikipedian! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:06, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Science lovers wanted!

 * Hi! I'm serving as the wikipedian-in-residence at the Smithsonian Institution Archives until June! One of my goals as resident, is to work with Wikipedians and staff to improve content on Wikipedia about people who have collections held in the Archives - most of these are scientists who held roles within the Smithsonian and/or federal government. I thought you might like to participate since you are interested in the sciences! Sign up to participate here and dive into articles needing expansion and creation on our to-do list. Feel free to make a request for images or materials at the request page, and of course, if you share your successes at the outcomes page you will receive the SIA barnstar! Thanks for your interest, and I look forward to your participation! Sarah (talk) 01:49, 18 April 2012 (UTC)|}

Double DYK review
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Sanicula graveolens
Hi IceCreamAntisocial; Nice work on Sanicula graveolens. I added an image to the taxobox just now. Best wishes, --Walter Siegmund (talk) 04:44, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! IceCreamAntisocial (talk) 05:17, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Paspalum vaginatum
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:04, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Poa fendleriana
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DYK for Vaccinium oxycoccos
Thanks from Wikipedia and the DYK team Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:05, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Use of Italics
Greetings, I am visiting because I've noticed your contributions posted in Colorado Project articles; those pertaining to genus and species that are italicized (some genus italicized, some genus not italicized) and some article titles which are italicized have intrigued my curiosity. Why the italics are being used (in particular the list of recent articles and changes at the WP:Colorado section)? I am a recently new editor and so far I've found that the use of italics refer to book titles, and certain other policy/guideline factors discouraging use of italics for emphasis. This is just my need to know (biology taxonomically) about italicized species and genus. And as an end note - kudos on all your contributions, hopefully I might be able to emulate the efforts in my own contributions O = M C 4  17:01, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for writing. Both genus and species should be italicized; if I did not italicize, it was an accident and feel free to fix it. If the article title is a scientific name it should be italicized too. More info can be found at the page for WikiProject Tree of Life. There are also lots of plant experts watching the talk page for WikiProject Plants for plant questions. Thanks again, -IceCreamAntisocial (talk) 19:39, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Definately handy information to know. When handwritten, how are they denoted and why not the higher orders? Thanks for such a speedy response and for the links above. O = M C 4  21:43, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

While reviewing the links above, I made some edits. My boldness increases with every edit; so far I have no peer reviews or comments of such edits and would appreciate some feedback should you be so inclined. Thanks again, this has been a viable learning experience for this new editor. O = M C 4 22:53, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Neoparrya lithophila
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DYK for Urera baccifera
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DYK for Themeda quadrivalvis
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DYK for Triplaris americana
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Rollback
Hi IceCreamAntisocial, I have granted rollback rights to your account. After a review of some of your contributions, I believe you can be trusted to use rollback for its intended usage of reverting vandalism, and that you will not abuse it by reverting good-faith edits or to revert-war. For information on rollback, see New admin school/Rollback and Rollback feature. If you do not want rollback, just let me know and I will remove it. Good luck and thanks. Acalamari 22:02, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Mitella trifida
Hi IceCreamAntisocial; I finally obtained some images for Mitella trifida. Thank you for starting that article. --Walter Siegmund (talk) 05:26, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Calochortus palmeri
I liked your writing in this article. It is very simple, omits needless words, and has exactly the right wikilinks. I noticed you created many other articles in the Calohortus genus, but I can't tell what source you use. Do you remember? Sancho 18:11, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Nope I don't remember, but my info is from the sources listed there under the text. I should have sourced better. Thanks for your note. IceCreamAntisocial (talk) 22:45, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah thank you. They're listed as external links, rather than references, so I didn't realize. I'll take a peek through those and maybe update our articles if I find the sources. Sancho 23:32, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

WikiWomen's Collaborative: Come join us (and check out our new website)!

 * SuperCool. Tell me what you need and I'll help out. IceCreamAntisocial (talk) 02:59, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Atlantea tulita
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DYK for Symphyotrichum georgianum
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Eriogonum thymoides
Thank you for starting Eriogonum thymoides and Cornus unalaschkensis. Very nice work. Best wishes, Walter Siegmund (talk) 04:41, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Melic

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Horkelia congesta
Hi IceCreamAntisocial; I see you've been inactive. I hope it is only temporary. I just now uploaded images of Horkelia congesta to Commons:Horkelia congesta. --Walter Siegmund (talk) 03:59, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia Meetup
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You're invited...
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Hello. I saw your edits in Category:Endemic flora of Texas, and I was wondering if you'd be interested in helping me expand User:Zigzig20s/Old Gay Hill Red China? I will create a page for the plantation btw.Zigzig20s (talk) 08:52, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

How to explain to non-botanist admin that field guides based on Jepson, when used as sources, may look like copyright violations, but are not
Justlettersandnumbers tagged this as a "blatant" vopyright violation, without citing any examples. The articles as I been finding them (typically first written by you, IceCreamAntiSocial), are all essentially already in this format, but in narrative paragraph form, without inline citations. I have started breaking them into sections, putting in the inline citations, and adding in bits and pieces from other sources or different pages of the same source. I can see how this would look like a copyright violation to anyone that does not know that most field guides, when used as a source, all say about the same content, with variations on the wording.

To a non-botanist, this may look like a coyright violation. But it is not a copyright violation. The article cites three sources. The source I used in one example, Mojave Desert Wildflowers, is a field guide that is based on the Jepson Manual. Anyone who uses Jepson (the only thing going in California) would write essentially the same article. If someone had a different field guide, it would be based on Jepson, and result in essentially the same article, too. Plants are typically identified, e.g., in the Jepson Manual, by location (habitat and range -what kind of place, how far and wide they are found, etc.), and by a taxonomic description - overall growth pattern (e.g. shrub, tree, etc.), leaves and stems, flowers and fruit, and sometimes a history of the genus and species name, or of its use by humans or other animals (or plants).

Can you help explain this to Justlettersandnumbers, or explain how to write the above mentioned article without it appearing to be a copyright violation to a non-user of Jepson? (I am putting this same note on PlantDrew's talk page, since PlantDrew seemed to be watching my first few edits.) FloraWilde (talk) 01:35, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

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 * Hi Redwolf24, and thanks for the welcome! The links are proving useful, and the phtml on your page is interesting too ;o) --r.e.s. 16:04:25, 2005-07-23 (UTC)

Help with "Turing's Proof" page
Hi, I could use some edit help with the "Turing's Proof" page, especially "proof #3". (This page is meant to be interpretive, synoptic, i.e. I don't consider it "original work"). wvbaileyWvbailey 17:17, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Turing completeness
You reverted my copyediting of Turing completeness but did not stated why in the edit summary. So.. why? Cheers, —Ruud 21:50, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

 * P.S. you might be interested in WikiProject Computer science. —Ruud 21:52, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

 * P.P.S. I guess it was the misspelling of abstract machine. —Ruud 21:54, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

wvbailey here: I have a cc of Wang (1957) in pdf format, etc.
I have a cc of Wang (1957) A Variant to Turing's Theory of Computing Machines in pdf format. If you send me your e-mail address I will try to forward it to you. Also, I have an exerpted part of the first Davis paper. I was slightly in error -- it refers to Post-Turing programs on Turing machines. Oh well, what he calls a Post-Turing program is exactly what we think it is, excepting no STOP/HALT (!) He uses the same stop method I proposed to CMummert -- an instruction looping back to itself. I am going to try to use my copier to scan this, we'll see how that goes. If successful I could e-mail you that too. You can e-mail me at pierab@aol.com. wvbaileyWvbailey 18:56, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

new article: Wang B-machine
Hi, wvbailey here. I created a new article called Wang B-machine and a rediret-page called Wang machine B. Since you are the one who found this Wang-dude's reference, I say: edit to your heart's content! We could call it the Wang B model or Wang model B or whatever. If you want to move things around so Wang B-machine redirects to "Wang machine B" do whatever you want. I just picked B-machine because I liked the sound.

I did find a spiffy quote from Minsky (1967) page 200 that emphatically verifies your assertion that Wang was the first to model the Turing machine as a computer-like machine.

I've convinced myself that only one "conditional transfer" is necessary. That no "erase" is necessary is more remarkable. wvbaileyWvbailey 19:09, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Large numbers
Hi; I moved your comment to Talk:Large numbers. Tom Harrison Talk 13:33, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

-- Thanks for moving it where it belongs. Sorry for the mix-up. --r.e.s. 19:30, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Bijective base-k numeration
I posted this question on the talk page, but no one has answered, so I came to the original author of the page. Suppose that one changes the association of the numeral when changing sides of the decimal place, such that .A == .01 and .A9 == .001. Would this solve the problem of there being an infinite number of ways to express a number?

 * Short answer, as I see it: Yes, but the system is not bijective (e.g., still 1 = .A) and it can't represent most real numbers (e.g. irrationals). I've replied to your [original posting] in more detail.--r.e.s. 19:31, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

kolmogorov complexity
Dear R.e.s.,

I'm a math student and I'd love to ask you a quick question. I noticed your participation on the k.c. page and I'm confused:

By the definition of computable function it looks as though if there exists an algorithm for computing the function that's all "computable" means. Give me a (well formed) string X, I compare it to each of the (well formed) 255 letters (or whatever) in my symbolic alphabet and conclude it is equivalent to none of them, hence its complexity exceeds 1. I can do this until I have an expression that is equivalent to X, at which point it's complexity has been computed, can't I?

I feel like I am making a common error, but can't see it. Can you help me straighten it out? Thanks,

A.M. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MotherFunctor (talk • contribs) 09:11, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Yes, to say a function is (total) computable is just to say there is an algorithm that computes it. But no, there can be no algorithm such as you describe, if I'm understanding you correctly. The reason is that it can't complete all the comparisons you're wanting it to do: "comparing" successive strings (programs) P to the given string X, and supposedly determining in each case if P is "equivalent" to X, i.e. whether program P returns (outputs) X. If the procedure could do all of this, then the length of the first such P it found would indeed be the desired complexity of X. (In other words, the idea is the same as ordering all programs in shortlex order, simulating the execution of each one in succession, and returning the length of the first one that outputs X.)  This idea won't work, because non-halting programs P will be encountered, preventing the procedure from halting; and this can't be overcome by some clever weeding-out of the non-halting programs, because the Halting Problem is undecidable.--r.e.s. 14:31, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Small typo in the Post correspondence article
I corrected a small typo in Example 2 you added recently for this page

 * Good catch -- thanks. --r.e.s. (talk) 18:26, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Computable functions
Hi. Would you mind taking a look at this section? I have sketched a proof for most real numbers being uncomputable but would like to cite a peer-reviewed source. Perhaps you know one?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computable_function#Incomputable_functions_and_unsolvable_problems

Also, I am worried about this sentence (which I did not write):

"The set of finitary functions on the natural numbers is uncountable so most are not computable."

I'm not sure how to show that. Is this assumed to be equivalent to the powerset of the natural numbers? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Awaterl (talk • contribs) 00:37, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

 * My first reaction is that the content of that section ("Incomputable functions and unsolvable problems") has gone pretty far off-topic, and should be focussed on material more along the lines of this section (but stated more concisely for the undecidable/incomputable case).

 * I don't think it's the right place to discuss the fact that "most" reals and "most" finitary functions N^j -> N^k are not computable. For that purpose, in my opinion, it would be best to simply have a paragraph in the section "Characteristics of computable functions", to the effect that
 * (i) the set of computable functions is countable because a function is computable iff it is computed by some program in a Turing-complete language, and the set of such programs is necessarily countable (since each one is representable by a finite string of symbols from a finite alphabet — the set of such strings being countable because they can be listed in alphabetical (shortlex) order); on the other hand,
 * (ii) the set of all functions of the kind N^j -> N^k is uncountable, because the set of functions N -> N (infinite sequences of nonnegative integers) is uncountable. The latter point follows from the fact that the set of functions N -> {0,1} (infinite binary sequences) is already uncountable, as famously proved by Cantor's diagonal argument.  (The latter link also discusses the connection between real numbers and infinite binary sequences, which has to be handled with some care.)

 * That's just my 2cents; however, I don't foresee making any of those revisions myself in the near future.

 * --r.e.s. (talk) 23:29, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Green Paper
Hey res, send me an email if you're interested in a copy of the Green paper. Cheers, — sligocki (talk) 04:46, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

 * Thanks very much -- I have sent you an email. — r.e.s. 12:54, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Copyedits and math format
Thanks for the copyedits on the Goodstein function, it reads much more nicely. I noticed that you have been converting html functions (like S and Σ in Busy beaver) into TeX and forcing TeX to render as images for some very small expressions (as in Goodstein function). I have to say that I disagree. I think that html tends to fit into the sentence structure for most inline math better than TeX and that not all TeX needs to be rendered as an image (it usually looks better on my computer when it is rendered as text). I agree with forcing images on some lists for consistent formatting and when the math is not inline, but not always. Does the html not render well on your system? or is there another reason you prefer the image? (In a perfect world, I'd like to have all math entered as LaTeX and rendered as html ... maybe some day.) Cheers, — sligocki (talk) 22:17, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

 * The purpose of my forcing PNG rendering for various math items is to make the rendering for "most viewers" consistent throughout an article. This consistency is browser-dependent, and I'm thinking that however we do the formatting, it should not make an article visually ugly when viewed in any of the most-popular browsers.  The issue concerns browsers like MS Internet Explorer (which is a very popular browser, whether we happen to like it or not). If we want the (presumably very many) viewers who use MSIE to see a visually consistent presentation, then some forcing of png images seems necessary. To get an idea of this, just view the present Goodstein function article using MSIE — the math rendering is inconsistent, mixing html and PNG in the tables as well as in the text portions. I thought that my edits were solving some the "consistent rendering" problem for MSIE-like browsers, while having only relatively insignificant effects for the others.  In other words, I'm trying to find a happy compromise for the various most-popular browsers. — r.e.s. 16:10, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

 * Ah, I didn't realize there were problems with IE rendering. I'm afraid that I can't check how the article renders in IE (they haven't ported it to Linux yet :). However, I have no intention to snub IE users. My only concern is a sort of over-zealous conversion of minor math into PNGs which would make the formatting for the rest of us not so good. The folks at Manual of Style (mathematics) discourage using PNGs inline and without knowing what IE rendering looks like, I'd generally agree. So, if this is something you think is important, it'd probably be worth bringing it up there, so that future editors know as well. Cheers, — sligocki (talk) 19:21, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Busy beaver
Nice work on reworking the opening section of busy beaver. It reads much more smoothly now, thanks! — sligocki (talk) 14:09, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

copies of pertainent pages of Boolos & Jeffrey and Morales-Bueno
I bit the bullet and went to the library and got pdfs of the pertainent 2 chapters of B & J and then the Morales-Bueno article. Haven't purused them yet. I did verify that the two chapters of B & J are identical in the 1972, 1980 and 1989 editions. If you want cc's let me know at pierab@aol.com. BillWvbailey (talk) 16:57, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

 * Done. Thank you! — r.e.s. (talk) 18:24, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Complete Hereditary Representation
In the article Knuth's up-arrow notation, you added a numeration system that gave the "complete hereditary representation" of an integer, and attributed it to Goodstein. Is there any chance you still have the name of the book / article you got it from? I would very much like to read it. Either way, thanks for putting it on the article at all. :)

Freiberg, Let's talk!, contribs 01:27, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

 * The source is

 * R. L. Goodstein (Dec. 1947). "Transfinite Ordinals in Recursive Number Theory". Journal of Symbolic Logic 12 (4): 123–129. doi:10.2307/2266486

 * I believe Goodstein described this in other publications as well. I'll try to add at least the above citation to the article shortly.
 * — r.e.s. (talk) 04:30, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

 * Thank you very much. That article is behind a pay wall, but won't be in a few weeks when I start college.  This is very helpful.

 * --Freiberg, Let's talk!, contribs 13:23, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Shaw and "Creative [R]Evolution"
Here are some reliable sources to use in fixing this:

Shaw's actual will: ["creative evolution" search], ["creative revolution" search (no match)]. Text copywalled by Google.

NYTimes [correction], 5 days after typo. Text paywalled by NYTimes.

NYTimes correction, [quoted in full]. "11/29/50   An error of transmission in a dispatch from London led to an error in an editorial on this page last Saturday commenting on a passage from the will of George Bernard Shaw. Shaw wrote: "My religious convictions and scientific views cannot at present be more specifically defined than as those of a believer in creative evolution." The final word came through the ether as "revolution" instead of the "evolution" made famous in the preface to Back to Methuselah and elsewhere".

Independent [citation] from will in Manchester Guardian Weekly, six months later.

Independent [citation] from will in Shaw-dedicated scholarly annual, citing in turn Holroyd's biography.

[Blog entry] making fun of this, with open citation to Time error, NYTimes repeated error, and NYTimes correction. Only Time is outside paywall, and if they issued a correction, no one has spotted it yet.

Bottom line, the centrality of "Creative Evolution" to Shaw's religious view is obvious to any reader of Back to Methuselah; the "revolution" version is clearly nonsense. I can understand how, in this circumstance, a person can say (as I do), "not a Wikipedian, not my problem", OR (as I'd like you to do) "WP:RRULE, or WP:IAR, or WP:COMMON, or something, trumps WP:NOR}} here; let's figure out how to creatively rewrite to use these sources the anonymous poster supplied to get to the right answer" OR, perhaps, "no way around [[WP:NOR here, a Time Magazine typo is invincible under these rules, so I guess I quit." I honestly can't see how anyone with a conscience could take the fourth box in this truth table: "WP:NOR forces me to defend this silly mistake, and I cheerfully go on doing my duty on these terms."  But I'm willing to watch and learn, if that's the direction you need to go.  As a recruitment tool for "not a Wikipedian", I have to say this sort of thing is just splendid.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.81.149.135 (talk) 03:51, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

 * It seems I've really put my foot in it. Unfortunately, when I just now "undid" my initial uninformed edit, I probably further erred in commenting that Time had later corrected the cited article (in spite of your mention that they've apparently not done so). Gad! I'm going to step aside at this point so someone more capable can improve matters. Thank you for your efforts. — r.e.s. (talk) 12:47, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

 * Don't be discouraged! The article text got to the right place; anyone who cares about the submit comment will track it back to my earlier remarks on the article Talk page, and understand what happened. Thank you in turn, for responding constructively to my somewhat snarky WP:NOR baiting.  I've seen enough reverts of incontrovertibly "right" edits for hairsplitting and perverse wikilawyer reasons (see Chimborazo/Huascarán debate for a typical example) that I jumped on you at the initial edit, probably with more force than you deserved.  Sorry, and carry on!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.81.149.135 (talk) 16:22, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

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Nicholas Turturro

Nicholas Turturro Jr. (born January 29, 1962) is an American actor. Turturro is best known for his roles in New York City based films and on the television series Blue Bloods and NYPD Blue. He has collaborated with director Spike Lee since the late 1980s, starting with voice work for Do the Right Thing, and playing a supporting role in BlacKkKlansman. Nicholas is the younger brother of John Turturro and the cousin of Aida Turturro.

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Turturro was born in Brooklyn, New York. His mother, Katherine Florence (Incerella), was an amateur jazz singer, who worked in a Navy yard during World War II, and was born in the U.S., to Italian parents, with roots in Sicily. His father, Nicholas Turturro Sr., was a carpenter and shoemaker who emigrated from Giovinazzo, Apulia, Italy, at the age of six and later fought as a US Navy serviceman on D-Day.

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He received an Emmy Award nomination for playing James Martinez on the television series NYPD Blue and was on the series for its first seven seasons. He was a guest ring announcer at WrestleMania XI for the main event of Shawn Michaels vs. Diesel. His list of credits include portraying Al Capone in an episode of George Lucas's The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles and playing the role of Brucie in The Longest Yard and Renaldo in I Now Pronounce You Chuck & Larry. In July 2009, Turturro began co-starring in the comedy web series Dusty Peacock on Crackle. He played Sgt. Anthony Renzulli on Blue Bloods from 2010 to 2016.

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Bad unit conversion on gross tonnage
Uh, that ain't right. 5,324 kg is about 5.5 tons, not 2,420 tons. Does anyone know what's the right number here? --Doradus (talk) 04:54, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

 * According to information posted at the San Francisco National Maritime Museum, the gross tonnage is 2420. If memory serves, 1 kg = 2.2 lbs. 5,324 happens to be 2.2 x 2,420. So it seems to me that the conversion is wrong, but I'm no expert in how gross tonnage of a ship converts to kilograms. --Sanfranman59 (talk) 07:19, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of theme songs without lyrics 2

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. Sasquatch′↔T↔C 07:30, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

List of theme songs without lyrics
user:Tothebarricades.tk placed the vfd tag on this article on 9 July 2005, but was apparently confused when they came accross the previous VfD nomination for this article from January 2005. The comment left there was "urghhhh how can I renominate something for deletion? --Tothebarricades July 9, 2005 09:07 (UTC)".

I am just completing the nomination, not the nominator. No vote. Thryduulf 00:14, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Haha. Delete. I have since figured out how to do it but forgot about this one. --Tothebarricades 01:33, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

 * Strong Keep survived last time, and has seen significant expansion from numerous editors since then. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd 01:45, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep It survived the last vote and nothing has changed since then. There is no rationale for this VfD. --malathion talk 02:05, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep What reason is there to delete?  Tothebarricades voted, but gave no reason.  I'm not going to think up a reason for him.  CanadianCaesar 03:34, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * My reason was that just because we can list something, doesn't mean we should. This is useless and unmaintainable. --Tothebarricades 19:18, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * To the closing admin, please note my Keep vote still stands. He should have given that reason to start with.  CanadianCaesar 20:05, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete unmaintainable list. JamesBurns 05:03, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep - it survived its first VfD pretty strongly. --Idont Havaname 07:48, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - BMIComp (talk, HOWS MY DRIVING) 07:48, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Well defined and maintainable list. Flowerparty 11:44, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. - ulayiti 14:46, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and Rename to "List of theme music without lyrics" (just because 'song without lyrics' is a contradiction). Peter Grey
 * Delete Listcruft, plain and simple.  No encyclopedic value.  The Literate Engineer 05:35, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. --*drew 10:29, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete unmaintainable listcruft. --KFP 10:50, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, well-defined list, serves users interested in this type of music and attracts new contributors. Kappa 13:49, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
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WPRU-LP

WPRU-LP (channel 20) was a low-power television station in Aguadilla, Puerto Rico, affiliated with ABC and owned by the Caribbean Broadcasting Network.

History
The channel was launched in 2004.

The station did not produce its own local newscasts.

In September 2014, it was announced that ABC would move to WORA-TV on November 1 as a new subchannel. In late 2019, the ABC affiliation moved to the main channel of WORA-DT, after Telemundo discontinued its WKAQ-TV repeater on WORA-TV.

The station has been silent since January 2014. From that point until the ABC affiliation ended, it continued broadcasting on channel 18.1 of sister station WSJP-LD. At some point on March 20, 2015, WSJP-LD removed its simulcast of WORA-DT2/ABC 5 from 18.1 and moved its third subchannel to 18.1 from 18.3 to replace it.

Caribbean Broadcasting Network surrendered WPRU-LP's license to the Federal Communications Commission on January 14, 2021, who cancelled it the same day.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/R.A.B.

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus was reached, defaulting to keep. Sasquatch′↔T↔C 23:48, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

R.A.B.
Speculation. The only part of this article that isn't unverifiable, original research, or both is the first line: "R.A.B. is a set of initials from J.K. Rowling's book Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince." —Cryptic (talk) 00:15, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. WP:NOR --Allen3 talk 00:40, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep even nominator states that the subject isn't unverifiable or original research and the edit history of the article suggests an interest. If there are parts of any article that fall under original research then you delete those sections, not an entire article. --TheMidnighters 00:47, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * "XYZ is a set of initials from Book Q" is not an article unless it's expandable. This is not. —Cryptic (talk) 00:48, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Well judging by the size of the article and the amount of contributors I'd say it has been expanded. The initials refer to a character that is apparently notable. There is speculation and debate in other articles (Balrog for example) but when it is supported by citations and sources from the author I think it's allowable. --TheMidnighters 00:52, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Strong Delete I'm a HUGE Harry Potter fan. However, the number of HP related articles is already growing too large, and this article is ONLY about speculation.  It could serve no other purpose.  I urge anyone considering a keep vote to read WP:NOT and think about it.  Friday 01:52, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete or merge to some proper place. DES 02:21, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Too much crystal ballery. Although I have to say the book is quite amazing. But the article is unencyclopedic. Sasquatch′↔T↔C 02:43, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete I'm guessing this information is already in about five other articles anyway. Hansamurai 03:45, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong delete as unverifiable fancruft speculation. Postdlf 04:07, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep I edited it to make it more encyclopedia-like. Osu8907 04:20, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete until it's actually revealed who it is (presumably in the seventh book), and then merge into the article of that character. Cyclone49 07:00, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong delete - fancruft. --Idont Havaname 07:49, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Is there any good reason not to merge and redirect? Or at least merge?  I think the article as it stands is decent, and as a section in the HBP book article might be good.  Yes, the HBP article is getting long, but I think coverage of one of the book's most crucial mysteries is the sort of thing we do for more "classic" literature.  I don't see why it would be inappropriate here.  Let's preserve this reasonably well-written content, even though it is clearly not a free-standing article. Jwrosenzweig 07:51, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * The only part of the article not already in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince - Full Plot Summary is the new "R.A.B. Leading Candidates" section (which is still speculation) and the exact quote from the book (which is paraphrased). I don't think a redirect would be useful.  —Cryptic (talk) 11:07, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Please note that the full plot summary that Cryptic refers to is now part of the set of Harry Potter book notes on the annotated texts bookshelf, and can be found at Harry Potter plots/Half-Blood_Prince. Uncle G 11:23:33, 2005-07-28 (UTC)
 * Please watch the article for VFD notice removal. --Tim Pope 09:12, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - if redirecting then redirect to Rab Butler -or at least to the Rab dab page --Doc (?) 13:08, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge with List of characters in the Harry Potter books or something. - ulayiti 14:44, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to the dab page at RAB. Dunc|☺ 15:08, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep article has been significantly reworked since initial VFD posting Presnell 18:11, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment The article has been improved, but this only shows that it needs to go away. There's very little in there and little hope of expansion unless we go back to lots of speculation.  The only purpose I can see served by this is that people are encouraged to debate their theories on the talk page.  See WP:NOT.  There are forums for that sort of thing.  There's even an entire HP Wiki with different rules and standards than here.  Friday 19:08, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge the note(legit. fair use) into Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince then delete the article. Superm401 | Talk 22:07, July 23, 2005 (UTC) Keep. With the changes made(some by me), I think it has enough information to be a useful article without having speculation. (vote changed by me)Superm401 | Talk 21:41, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge -- this doesn't deserve it's own link by any stretch of the imagination. Nandesuka 02:34, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge -- R.A.B. by itself can mean manythings and nothing in particular from an encyclopeadia point of vue. So i uggest to move this article's content to an other article with more relation with HPotter (Horcrux or the 6th HP book for example) with the mention "SPECULATION" for the "question-able" part.
 * this vote placed by
 * Merge into horcrux. R.A.B. is highly significant, perhaps more so for book 7.  If it can mean many things, then it needs to be disambiguated, but as it is only this, redirecting R.A.B. there after information is merged will be fine. Sonic Mew | talk to me 15:09, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge. Even when Harry Potter: Book Seven comes out, we won't need a whole page for R.A.B., since that could be redirected to the character's real identity.
 * this vote placed by
 * Keep. This is likely to be the subject of considerable interest between now and the publication of the final Harry Potter book, a significant portion of which will be reportable and encyclopædic and not uniquely relevant to any other subject. This information should not be spatchcocked into some marginally-related article, it should be kept separate in the best interests of reducing duplication. —Phil | Talk 16:32, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep, don't merge per Phil freestylefrappe 19:10, July 25, 2005 (UTC).
 * Strong Keep, don't merge yet per Rob - Let the people have this until we know which character it is!
 * V.F.D. --Michael Snow 21:51, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, don't merge per above --John Hubbard 02:28, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge into horcrux. There really is no materal left to exapnd this article that woudl nto reduce it to a discussion fourm.  It seems that there is not a lot of dispute among fans as to the identy of R.A.B. anyway.  There is not enough enclipedic materal on this topic at the moment for it to be anythign but a heading in Horcrux. Dalf | Talk 04:26, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, possibly merge R.A.B. is likely to become a well-known and much-debated mystery figure as we wait for the seventh book, and so there should be a reference about him/her, however basic or seemingly trivial the information within the article may be. What's more, this is a definitive character whose identity will eventually be revealed, and when that happens, the R.A.B. article can then be merged appropriately.  SoVerySpiffy | Talk 07:06, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I rather think the inverse of that is true. Until there is enough content for an article it should be merged (it is already mentioned in no fewer then 4 other articles with essentially all the information here).  When (and if) it ever becomes a topic with enough for a full article then it can be split out. Dalf | Talk 05:57, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. I've stated many times in various places (and in different forms) that I dislike speculation and try to remove it from the Harry Potter articles. I think this article is completely clean of speculation and actually presents some good information on what is one of the larger sources of discussion. --Deathphoenix 14:49, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete -- This belongs on a Harry Potter message board, not on Wikipedia. Isotope23 01:24, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep This is an important article.  It will most likly grow once HP7 comes out and the rest of the details can be filled in.  But till then it is an important start to an important character page that will grow after the releace of HP7.--michael180 18:33, July 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * I find it hard to imagine a way that book 7 could make this article grow beyone confirmation of the name of the charicter in question. If it is very significat to the plot then the content belong in the pag on book 7.  If it is not that significant then it adds perhaps 2 sentences to this article.  This is at best a partial sub-plot of a book that is unpublished.  A book that already has a large number of articles where this information belongs.  Article fragmentation I into hundreds of one paragraph pages I think dammaged the Harry Potter articles in wikipedia. Dalf | Talk 01:06, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, I don't want to see it deleted now and end up heatedly re-created upon the release of Harry Potter 7. --Starryboy 22:13, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, even if just as a list of links to possibilities.--TH 13:06, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, I agree with the above users!--bagheera_101 13:28, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
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Combat reenactment

Combat reenactment is a side of historical reenactment which aims to depict historical forms of combat. This may refer to either single combat, melees involving small groups, or nearly full-scale battles with hundreds of participants.

Depending on the intended effect, performances may have the aim of presenting historical martial arts reconstruction, or just offer entertainment, and different groups have different standards of authenticity.

Historical martial arts demonstrations

Demonstration of historical fencing begins with Alfred Hutton in the 1890s.

The Association for Renaissance Martial Arts distinguishes the following modes of historical martial arts demonstrations:
 * Theatrical Fencing (stage-combat, performance fighting) in the sense of a performance art, not a martial art, although relying on a foundation of martial techniques and principles, serving the end of dramatic entertainment.
 * Arranged Performance Fighting, as distinct from both theatrical fencing and historical swordsmanship practiced as a martial art, having the purpose of demonstration and education. Such performances are offered by a number of museums, including the Higgins Armory Museum, Worcester, MA, USA and the Royal Armouries, Leeds, UK.
 * Mock-Fighting & Martial Sports, including simulated battle presentations and tournament bouts in living history or live-action role-playing games with special "combat rules".

Joust
Today, tent pegging is the only form of jousting officially recognized by the International Federation for Equestrian Sports. Ring jousting became the official state sport of Maryland in 1962 and was the first official sport of any American state. The Italian town of Arezzo continues to hold an annual jousting tournament, which dates to the Crusades.. Modern theatrical medieval-style jousting competitions are popular at American Renaissance fairs and similar festivals, and feature riders on horseback attempting various feats of skill with the lance, which may not always have a basis in history.

Battle reenactment
Reenactment of battles is a major and popular component of historical reenactment.

Due to the number of participants involved, most reenacted battles cannot be choreographed in any detail, and safety guidelines or "combat rules" are imposed on participants instead, prohibiting most realistic actions. Some reenactment battles take the form of a competition, where the two "armies" try to defeat each other within the actions permitted by the combat rules.

Battles in film are not inhibited by such restrictions, due to the possibilities of cutting and closeup. They are fully choreographed, and are not performed in a single go but divided into individual sequences.

Combat as interactive martial art
The Society for Creative Anachronism fighting is based on Medieval fighting on foot, in the spirit of tournament fighting with wooden swords. The armor is handmade and based on historical artifacts. Unlike most reenactment events, the events are not pre-determined. It's a participatory sport; the fighters win or lose a bout, much like Karate or Judo.

Combat rules

 * Codex Belli
 * Early Medieval Alliance

Equipment
Since the 1990s, an increasing number of companies offers replicas of historical arms and armour. Blade weapons used for combat reenactment are unsharpened, and specialized sparring weapons (e.g. Albion's "Maestro Line") also have rounded points. Blunt, flail and staff weapons are more problematic since the replica essentially has the same effectiveness as the "serious" version, unless rattan or latex weapons are employed, which in turn lack the characteristics of the originals and induce handling techniques inconsistent with the weapons they are supposed to represent.

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Authenticity (reenactment)

In historical reenactment, authenticity (sometimes referred to as the A-factor or simply A) is a measure of how close an item, prop, action, weapon, tactic, or custom is to what would actually have been used or done in the time period being depicted. For example, in most northern European medieval reenactment cotton is an inauthentic material—as opposed to wool or linen—though it would be authentic in more modern periods and events, such as American Civil War reenactment or World War II reenactment. Likewise, pop culture references and talking about modern events or objects (e.g., wrist watches, mobile phones, or contemporary politicians) is inauthentic.

Generally, the ratio of events and groups enforcing strict authenticity to those permitting (limited) in authenticity among the participating reenactors is estimated to be half-and-half, i.e., there are approximately as many groups enforcing historical accuracy as there are permitting a more liberal use of the term "authentic". This does, however, vary from country to country.

Degrees
In the US, reenactors are commonly divided (or self-divide) into three categories, based on the level of concern for authenticity.

Farbs
Some, called "farbs" or "polyester soldiers" are reenactors who spend relatively little of their time or money maintaining authenticity with regard to uniforms, accessories, or even period behavior. A "good enough" attitude is pervasive among farbs, although even casual observers may be able to point out flaws. The origin of the word "farb" (and the derivative adjective "farby") is unknown, though it appears to date to early centennial reenactments in 1960 or 1961. Some think that the origin of the word is a truncated version of "far be it from authentic." An alternative definition is "far be it for me to question/criticise", or "fast and researchless buying". Some early reenactors assert the word derives from German farbe, color, because inauthentic reenactors were over-colorful compared with the dull blues, greys or browns of the real Civil War uniforms that were the principal concern of American reenactors at the time the word was coined, or the German farbische, manufactured, indicating obviously modern items. According to Mr. Burton K. Kummerow, a member of "The Black Hats, CSA" reenactment group in the early 1960s, he first heard it used as a form of fake German to describe a fellow reenactor. The term was picked up by George Gorman of the 2nd North Carolina at the Centennial Manassas Reenactment in 1961, and has been used by reenactors ever since.

Many of the early Italian replica rifles were marked with what looked like "F.A.R.B" among the proofmarks. Removal of this would be to defarb, and the term came to cover other objects.

Mainstream
Another group of reenactors often is called "Mainstream". These reenactors are somewhere between farb and authentic. They are more common than either farbs or authentics.

Most mainstream reenactors make an effort at appearing authentic, but may come out of character in the absence of an audience. Visible stitches are likely to be sewn in a period-correct manner, but hidden stitches and undergarments may not be period-appropriate. Food consumed before an audience is likely to be generally appropriate to the time-period, but it may not be seasonally and locally appropriate. Modern items, such as air mattresses and sleeping bags, are sometimes used "after hours" or in a hidden fashion. The common attitude is to put on a good show, but that accuracy need only go as far as others can see.

Progressive
At the other extreme from farbs are "hard-core authentics" or "progressives," as they prefer to be called, sometimes derisively called "stitch counters". Hard-cores generally seek an "immersive" reenacting experience, trying to live, as much as possible, as someone of their chosen time period might have. This includes eating seasonally and regionally appropriate food, sewing inside seams and undergarments in a period-appropriate manner, and staying in character throughout an event. Hard-core reenactors generally value thorough research, and sometimes deride mainstream reenactors for perpetuating inaccurate "reenactorisms".

Historical persona
To make their equipment authentic, a reenactor must first decide on the time period, geographic location, and social status they wish to portray. The collection of clothing and equipment is typically called a "kit" and the fictional alter ego is called a "persona". Sometimes when a person has interests that a single persona can't reasonably encompass, for the sake of being authentic, they might create more than one persona. For example, someone might be interested in Norse ("Viking") cultures but also be interested in economics and social history that led to the Landsknecht, and might create two separate personae and kits. They can then choose the persona they will portray according to which hobby they want to do, the location of the reenactment, or the weather (cultures that wore a lot of wool and fur are more popular to reenact in winter than summer).

Authenticity

Since authenticity of certain equipment vary between periods and regions, it can be difficult to ensure an entire set or kit of clothing and gear is authentic for a particular historical persona. Most organized societies have recognized norms for kit and garb for their historic and regional specialty. A key philosophy is to research items in advance, vs. buying things and then trying to "fit them in" to the time and place being reenacted. For example, the Vikings are not known to have used plate armour, but some would try to justify it because the earlier Roman Army did. A person might try to pass off an interesting Polish hat by claiming their French persona had traveled to Poland. Such tactics serve to confuse an uneducated audience, however, since many will simply assume that if everyone is portraying Vikings, French pikemen, Prussians grenadiers, etc. that they are also wearing and using items common to that era and people. Authenticity can apply to other things. For example, a card game, song, or military tactic is authentic if known to be used during the period.

The quest for authentic clothes and equipment often requires archaeological evidence, archival research, and other historical sources that reveal what was used at the time. A reenactor may become an amateur historian (or even a professional historian) in pursuit of evidence and sources to create an accurate persona. Many time periods of reenactment have online discussion boards where reenactors and historians discuss the merits of various items, how to make them, or where to purchase them.

Several factors commonly limit the attainable level of authenticity. These include:

 * Safety considerations
 * Climate/weather
 * Available information
 * Cost in money and/or time

The German approach of authenticity (reenactment) is less about replaying a certain event, but to allow an immersion in a certain era. Historic city festivals and events are quite important to build up local communities and contribute to the self-image of municipalities. Events in monuments or on historical sites are less about the events related to them but as mere staffage for the immersion experience.

Enforcement
The strictness with which authenticity is enforced varies widely with different events and groups. While some consider only documented historical use to be authentic, and ban all inauthentic gear and behaviour from reenactment activities, others permit materials that plausibly could have existed, others permit inauthentic materials that can't be seen by the public, and still others only require that "it has to look authentic from 10 meters away" (i.e. from a distant audience's perspective).

Similarly, many groups permit equipment combined from a wider range of centuries than what could be considered historically accurate (e.g. 12th century soldiers wearing barbute helmets). This sometimes results from safety rules that require protective gauntlets and helmets, even when this interferes with historical accuracy.

In addition to mixing multiple centuries of a general period in a single event (usually to ensure a larger number of participants), some events feature more than a single period, especially if the event strongly focuses on combat displays or battles. In such cases, it is not unusual that the same reenactor participates in more than one show, sometimes with only slightly altered gear (depending on how strictly authenticity is enforced). A typical example is a clankie (a reenactor in full plate armour) removing his armour, picking up a round shield and participating in a Dark Age battle.

Many groups, especially in medieval reenactment, heavily promote the use of "market speech", i.e., talking in a way that sounds appropriate for the period. Inauthentic equipment and behaviour is often referred to via descriptive phrases like "pocket dragon" (for a lighter or box of matches) and "horseless carriage" (for a car or other engine-powered vehicle) to circumvent strict enforcement of authentic speech. Other groups expect reenactors to stay fully in-character throughout an event, and refrain from commenting on non-period items. To adequately explain activities to an audience, many such groups designate one or two people as "interpreters" who can step out of character to discuss things from a modern perspective.

Other ways to circumvent the need for authentic equipment include "hiding" plastic bottles (usually by wrapping them in cloths or furs), using "bindings" (long straps of cloth or fur) to make inauthentic footgear look more adequate, or simply hiding coolboxes inside wooden chests.

For safety and comfort, authenticity is usually restricted to designated public areas, thus allowing for the use of portable toilets and inauthentic tenting by reenactors outside these areas.

A typical issue among strictly authentic reenactors is the inclusion of female combatants, as this is a clash between authenticity (there were no female combatants in most reenacted periods) and modern concepts of sexual equality.

Similarly, some groups enforce authentic hairstyles (e.g., 20th century soldiers are usually not expected to wear long hair or beards) and often (inauthentic) jewelry is not permitted — although in combat reenactment this is often more of a safety issue than a question of authenticity.

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Zhang Xiaoguang

Zhang Xiaoguang (born May 1966) is a Chinese military pilot and taikonaut selected as part of the Shenzhou program.

Biography
He was born in May 1966 in Jinzhou, to a family of Manchu ethnicity and was a squadron commander in the People's Liberation Army Air Force when he was selected to be an astronaut in 1998. He had accumulated 1000 flight-hours as of 2004. He was selected as part of the backup crew for the Shenzhou 9 mission. In 2013, he was selected to fly Shenzhou 10, the third spaceflight to the first Chinese space station Tiangong 1.

Career
Shenzhou 10 was launched on 11 June 2013, at 09:38 UTC (17:38 local time) on a Long March 2F rocket. It docked to the Tiangong-1 space station, and the crew spent 12 days on board. Zhang returned to Earth on Wednesday, 26 June 2013 00:07 UTC. Total mission duration was 14 days 14 hours and 29 minutes.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/N.player

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The result of the debate was delete. CDC  (talk)  22:25, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

N.player
seems to be one of many mendia player applicacations for Windows. Is this really notable enough to justify an article? DES 00:22, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, does not indicate notability. Gazpacho 03:25, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, unless article can show notability (which might require at least one complete sentence). --Pagrashtak 06:37, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
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