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Detected ... lists
What's the purpose of the "Detected ..." lists – or more exactly: what's the problem with the categories linked there? I can see how those with red links could likely be problem cases. But what seems to be wrong with the blue links? I see that some of these apparently have been found in no page at all - how can this be? And what on earth do the black non-links do there - how can something be linked and not appear as link? Lastly, how do I know which of these have been checked for false positives? (Maybe a list for correct positives would be in order.) — Sebastian (talk) 22:09, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

 * I added some explanation and instructions to the project page. Hopefully that answers your questions.  Thanks for asking; a lot of people wandering by here were probably wondering those things. -- Beland 05:25, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Help?
I've been trying to clean up some of the categories listed on the project page. But I and others have run into a problem at Category:Agriculture. Pollinator is on a revert campaign. Maurreen 06:11, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Hi, I have created Category:Kollam templates for adding the Templates related with the city of Kollam and Kollam district in India. But now I found that some of the other pages are also there in the category. I would like to keep this category as an exclusive category of "Kollam Templates". I tried many times to remove those articles, but failed. Can anybody help me in this?? Arun 08:47, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Character problems?
Is this still a problem: These can't be fixed until non-ASCII characters can appear in category names? I've checked a few of them, and the categories seem to be holding up just fine with non-ascii characters. --Kbdank71 17:15, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
 * You are correct..certainly since MediaWiki 1.5 went live, we have full Unicode support. Thanks!  -- Beland 00:39, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Difference?
Is there any meaningful difference between the two last sections of the project page ('Articles in category "Wikipedia categories in need of attention"' and 'Subcategories')? Apparently, categories can be tagged and added with either a template or a category. Should we settle on one and get the other deleted? Maurreen (talk) 02:52, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
 * It's actually that category talk pages end up under "Articles", categories tagged directly end up under "Subcategories". I usually add the tag to the talk page, so I can write a note as to exactly what needs cleanup.  Usually this breaks down to "This is a mess" or "Too many articles".  The benefits of adding the tag to the category page itself include greater visibility and reader awareness.  Personally, I find no pressing need to enforce consistency, but if someone else wants to, that's fine with me. -- Beland 00:38, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

badly named categories which are linked from several places
Can I rely on the listed 'linked from' articles as being exaustive? I am comparing in particluar. The first says 'etc.' - so I asssume I'll have to check every article in Category:Alumni of the École Polytechnique to make sure that none of them are abusing URL encoding. Category:São Paulo state is only lised as being badly linked to from one article - do I just have to check Embu, or every one of the 200+ articles in the category? SeventyThree(Talk) 05:12, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Category:Alumni_of_the_%C9cole_Polytechnique linked from: André-Marie_Ampère Auguste_Comte etc.
 * Category:São_Paulo_state linked from: Embu

Slashes in Categories - question
Many of the categories with slases definitely need cleanup, but some, like Srem/Srijem seem appropriate. In this case, these are references to the same place in the 2 prevalent languages of the area, and other constructions would be awkward. Is this still an issue, it seems to work fine. SailorfromNH 00:52, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Alma mater categories
I went through and cleaned house, putting a CfD on all the empty categories (see the log). Semiconscious · talk  01:10, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Question: nationalities: English vs. British
(reposted from Categories needed): For some categories of people by nationality (for example, Category:Economists by nationality), there exist categories for both British and English fill-in-the-blanks. This seems odd to me; if someone is British but not English, wouldn't there be other subcategories of British in which to file them? Should British just be a holding category for subcategories, or what? And should both the British and English categories be under Fill-in-the-blanks by nationality, or just British?--ragesoss 05:06, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

 * The best place to ast is probably Categories for Deletion, since they deal with that sort fo thing a lot. As far as I can tell, it's done on a fairly ad-hoc basis at the moment. SeventyThree(Talk) 14:59, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Page split
At the moment, this page is trying to do two things at once - be a category, and be a list of bad title found through database scans. I propose we split the database scan part to a different page (e.g. Bad category names, to match the entry on Active Wiki Fixup Projects). That will leave this page as a category for pages with the cleancat tag. It also makes the new page more suitable for Active Wiki Fixup Projects, which is for projects which are "systematic (e.g. problems are found using software, not by humans)". Any objections/suggestions? SeventyThree(Talk) 01:05, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

 * OK, I'm going to go ahead and do this now. SeventyThree(Talk) 23:03, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Enquiry. "Indigenous, First Nations, or Aboriginal Canadians?
I have found three categories that appear to me to be duplication and/or overlapping. I wouldn't know what is the correct term, Anybody any idea whether the following should be joined, merged, or even left alone? I'm sure there's more... Probably Native if I looked further. --Richhoncho 23:41, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Category:Aboriginal peoples in Canadian Territories
 * Category:First Nations in the Northwest Territories
 * Category:Indigenous peoples of North America

Self-reference
I may be missing something - but doesn't this category self-refer? Was this intended? Does it need attention?? Thanks, Ian Cairns 13:39, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I have created Category:Kollam templates for adding the Templates related with the city of Kollam and Kollam district in India. But now I found that some of the other pages are also there in the category. I would like to keep this category as an exclusive category of "Kollam Templates". I tried many times to remove those articles, but failed. Can anybody help me in this?? Arun 08:47, 27 November 2014 (UTC)


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The reference in the main article about creosote causing cancer of the scrotum is rather incomplete. The British chimney sweeps developed cancer of the scrotum, but German chimney sweeps did not because the Germans' personal hygeine was better. This has been long known publically (at least 20 years). The development of scrotal cancer in British chimney sweeps was a combination of long term exposure to creosote AND AND AND AND AND not bathing for weeks at a time.

Wooden Telephone Poles
The article mentions that wooden railroad ties are generally treated with creosote. Aren't wooden telephone poles also normally treated with creosote?--McDogm 21:45, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Molecular Structure and Chemical Nature
Don't most Wikipedia articles about substances such as creosote; ie ammonia, saltpeter, lye, etc, normally include something written from an expert chemical science point of view?, including material relating to why creosote is what it is and does what it does?--McDogm 21:49, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Creosote is blend of varying heavy polyaromatic compounds. It's chemical composition is undefined. Usually it's made from the residue from napthalene distillation mixed together with lighter coal tar pitches and smaller amounts of light oil. Mohammed al-Khawal 04:46, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

The article keeps restating that creosote is a compound. It is not, it is a mixture of many compounds the composition of which is source and strength dependent. Charlie Pierce 20 August 20124. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.108.181.11 (talk) 06:48, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

PRACTICAL USES OF CREOSOTE POLES
COULD SOMEONE PLEASE ADD SOME FUNCTIONS AND STRUCTURES OF CREOSOTE POLES

THANKS JJ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.208.48.176 (talk) 06:28, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Overhaul
I overhauled the article, adding a lot more pertinent information about the chemical structure, history, uses, and commonality between different types of creosote compounds. I'm working on making a longer article on its medical use, and later when thats done, separating the two subjects, bear with me until then. Brianshapiro (talk) 04:51, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the notice. Some initial questions and comments.

 * First, why are the references arranged as they are vs just ordinary in-line references. For me at least, it is unhelpful not to get the ref by clicking the citation number.  That format is most widely used in Wikipedia.
 * Second, the references are ancient and the article emphasizes history. Here I am being critical (hopefully constructively) of the current draft.  The lead paragraph opens with a statements supported by very old references.  In this era of modern analytical chemistry, readers would benefit from more modern references that support the claims.
 * Third, the article also seems to over-emphasize the role of creosote in food and folk-medicine, whereas my sources suggest that wood preservation completely dominates the use of creosote. Stating the case otherwise verges on undue emphasis (WP:undue).
 * Other comments - the article in places seems to include informal personal views, example: "There are several other names for such fluids, but most aren't trustworthy, being regional,..."
 * About your plans to expand the medical parts, be cautious and consultative. Articles can get very controversial with the inclusion of medical advice and anecdotes.  The standards for referencing are thus more stringent as discussed in WP:MEDRS: "Ideal sources for such content includes general or systematic reviews published in reputable medical journals, academic and professional books written by experts in a field and from a respected publisher, and medical guidelines or position statements from nationally or internationally recognised expert bodies." So primary sources are not good enough, the sources need to be secondary.  Good luck and thanks for listening, --Smokefoot (talk) 17:41, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

 * Sorry about not responding right away, if you were hoping for a response. I took a break from this article for a while, so wasn't checking the discussion page.

 * I arranged the references that way because in some instances I needed to cite more than one page in the same source... looking at other Wikipedia articles, that seemed to be a common way of doing that (referred to as Harvard notation). If you click the citation number and go down to the notes, clicking on the link again should bring you to the source that has that page in it. I just checked, and it looks like one or two of those links seem to be broken, some sort of author name mismatch, and would need fixing.

 * I cited a lot of old sources, because they just happened to be the most complete and clear I've been able to find, and comparing them with new sources, none of the information in them appear to be obsolete. The science about creosote simply hasn't changed much. Old sources used, in particular, in the chemical description of wood-tar creosote, refer to classic studies that I've found continue to be cited even today, because their usefulness hasn't been superseded. The old sources simply discuss those studies in more detail, so I was able to cite more facts from them. I've seen modern studies that have produced a more detailed, precise breakdown of the chemical compounds, but it isn't very readable by laypersons.

 * The most widely known use of creosote today is wood preservation, because that's when you'll find it specifically sold under the name "creosote", but its history in other areas is long and very significant -- it was once just as much used in food and medicine as with wood -- and it continues to be used in those areas very broadly, but not as much as in the past. Its medicinal use isn't ancient; it was still common on drug store shelves as late as the 1950s -- I've been getting ready photos of creosote medicines from the 1800s to the 1950s to use on an article about its medicinal use. Many of the over-the-counter products of the 50s are still available today; and derivatives of it (guaiacol) are common in widely used medicines. If you get liquid smoke in any supermarket, it mainly has creosote in it (anyone that preserves food by smoking is relying on the creosote). It was also widely used as a food preservative earlier in the century. Wines are often flavored with creosote to give them a smoky taste, though I didn't get to add that in. Wood-tar creosote, itself, isn't very widely used in wood-preservation today either, simply because oil-tar creosote is much more effective. Its hard to find wood-tar creosote in a pure form today, because it isn't produced as much ; instead, particularly with wood preservation, you'll find mixes of wood-tar and coal-tar. Its a way of diluting coal-tar creosote to make it less expensive and less toxic.

 * All of this seems very relevant to the subject, and the only proper way to de-emphasize the historical uses, in my view, would be to split the article apart; so you have separate articles on the history that you move all of that excess material into.

 * I'll be able to move the medical history into a separate article, like I was planning, and after that I'll move some of the history on wood preservation into an article on wood treatments and processing. That should excise a lot of the historical information (and cites of older sources) out of the article, and have it more focused on current use. It'll at least shrink those sections.

 * As for how its written now, I was planning on putting all of the historical information that's currently there into a separate section at the end of everything else, titled "History" and that would have de-emphasized the history, but it felt like it would make the article structure too complex. The problem was that the article has to cover separate substances; wood-tar creosote and coal-tar creosote are different, but need to be talked about together ; and the only way to include the history of both would be to put them in the sections on those creosote types, or to make the history section redundantly list them both.

 * Anyway, once I get done with the other articles and move the information out, I think the article will be easier to reorganize, if it needs to be.

 * Brianshapiro (talk) 02:29, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Article needs a photograph
I never thought properly about creosote and imagined it to be a black tar, but now I realize I was thinking of bitumen. Could we have a picture of creosote so we can see what it looks like? Pictures on the internet show the grey, ashy interior of a chimney. What does creosote look like when it is collected in a bucket? — O'Dea (talk) 18:33, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Anti-septic?
I have never seen the word "anti-septic" before. Is that a regional usage?

Of course, "septic" does not mean "microorganism" - it means several other things, but not that.

I believe "antiseptic" would be a more suitable word for use in this article. Thoughts? Dratman (talk) 06:14, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Creosote in meats?
As a person that smokes meat as a hobby, and used to follow the methods, I'd like to point out that creosote is not a principal "ingredient" in smoking. It's to be patently avoided. It leaves a nasty metallic taste in your mouth, and numbs your lips and tongue. So, Whomever wrote this on the wiki is a moron. -Isakill-

Color photograph from 1943?
The caption states: "... in Albuquerque, New Mexico, in March 1943. This U.S. wartime governmental photo ..." -- I don't think so. Color photography was pretty crude back then, and this is not. Somebody is scamming or scammed -- or just confused. Grammar'sLittleHelper (talk) 02:42, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Look at the information for this on Commons, and especially look at the uncropped version with all the detail of the edges. It certainly looks authentic to me. Chuck Entz (talk) 00:20, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Creosote Bush is not Creosote
Creosote bush (Larrea tridentata) is a desert shrub that is said to superficially smell like creosote. Without presenting evidence that creosote bush actually contains creosote, it should not be even mentioned in this article, except perhaps to note that it got its name because it smells like creosote. Including a whole paragraph on the medicinal uses of creosote bush here is seriously wrong. After all, we don't discuss the physical properties of ironwood at Iron, nor tarweed at Tar, etc. Chuck Entz (talk) 23:33, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

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Effectiveness of tar or creosote
I simply want to have the authors of the articles on "tar" and "creosote" address the issues about the lack of effectiveness of coal tar on the preservation or waterproofing of wood raised in this article (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/coal-tar-and-its-products-as-preser/?redirect=1). None of those concerns appear in either Wikipedia article, and I don't know if they are spurious (,because the scientific american article is a little confusing with a lot of typo-graphical errors) or not.Amoss1985 (talk) 20:53, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

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N16 road (Ireland)

The N16 road is a national primary road in Ireland. It begins in County Sligo in the northwest of Ireland, and ends at Blacklion, County Cavan, at the border with Northern Ireland, where it becomes the A4 road. At 47.49 km, The N16 is one of the shorter national primary routes, as it forms only part of a major route from Sligo to Enniskillen and onwards to Belfast.

Route
The N16 begins at the junction of the N15 at Cartron, Sligo, and travels northeast, past the Institute of Technology, Sligo and onwards, passing above Glencar Lake and entering County Leitrim. Manorhamilton and Glenfarne are the only towns passed through in County Leitrim, until the road reaches Blacklion in County Cavan, and crosses the border into County Fermanagh at Belcoo, where the road becomes the A4. The route continues to Enniskillen and further east towards Belfast as the A4 and the M1 Motorway.

Compared with many other national primary roads in Ireland, long sections of the N16 are narrow and twisty which can make travelling on it slow and difficult. In recent years improvements have been made to short sections of it but the geography of many of the areas it passes through (deep valleys and steep hills) places some limits on the improvements that can be made without a wholesale realignment of parts of the route (i.e., finding less difficult terrain nearby to build a new road through).

As of December 2019, upgrades to further sections of the N16 were planned.

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Donnie Steele

Donnie Steele is an American musician, best known as one of two original guitarists of the heavy metal band Slipknot. Steele co-founded Slipknot in 1995, performing on the band's debut demo Mate. Feed. Kill. Repeat. He left in 1996 and was replaced by Craig "133" Jones, but later rejoined in 2011 as the touring bassist following the 2010 death of Paul Gray. Steele was part of the recording sessions for the band's 2014 album .5: The Gray Chapter, but left at some point before the album was finished and was replaced by Alessandro Venturella. According to Jim Root, some of Steele's bass tracks were used for the album though he did not specify which tracks feature Steele on bass.

1993–1997: Early career and Slipknot
Donnie Steele began his career as a member of Des Moines, Iowa-based death metal band Body Pit, in which fellow future Slipknot members Anders Colsefni (vocals), Mick Thomson (guitar) and Paul Gray (bass) had all performed. He later co-founded Slipknot in September 1995, alongside Colsefni, Gray, second guitarist Josh "Gnar" Brainard, drummer Joey Jordison and percussionist Shawn "Clown" Crahan. He was described by Brainard as "a pretty technical guitar player" and "one of those multi-talented guys". Author Joel McIver partly credits Steele with the introduction of jazz elements to the band's sound, describing the guitarist as a "self-confessed jazzbo".

In early 1996, after the recording of the band's debut demo Mate. Feed. Kill. Repeat., Steele began to miss a number of Slipknot rehearsal sessions. The other band members attempted to track the guitarist down, but had to continue on without him, until one of them later saw him by chance and was told that he no longer wanted to be in the group. According to Brainard, Steele "felt that playing with Slipknot was against his Christian beliefs"; the rest of the band respected the guitarist's reasons for choosing to leave, although both Brainard and Colsefni have criticised his lack of communication regarding his decision to do so. With concerts forthcoming, Steele was quickly replaced by Craig Jones who later became the band's sampler.

2011–2014: Return to Slipknot
Following the death of Gray in May 2010, Slipknot took a brief hiatus and later announced that Steele would replace the bassist for upcoming tour dates. In an official statement, the band explained that "Donnie was in the band at the very beginning, and rather than get an outsider, we thought it would be a fitting tribute to Paul to play with someone from within the family". Speaking about his return to the band, percussionist Shawn "Clown" Crahan explained that the decision to invite Steele to replace Gray "felt completely comfortable", adding that the band was "not gonna have some jackass from another band come into our world ... Donnie's family. Donnie's from the stone of the 'Knot".

During live performances, Steele remained backstage out of sight of the crowd. Despite praising him for fitting back into Slipknot well, Crahan justified this decision by asking "What gives him the right to be onstage with us right now?", elaborating that "When we're going through an experience like this with our fans, they need to concentrate on the eight members that are grieving, not on someone new". Steele decided to leave the band during the recording sessions for ".5: The Gray Chapter", and was replaced by Alessandro Venturella in 2014, but he recorded some bass parts for the album according to guitarist Jim Root.

Other projects and contributions
Aside from Slipknot, Donnie Steele formed the death metal group Killpact in 2001 with vocalist Rick Funderburk, bassist Steve Pundzak and drummer Ernie McGinn (who had previously performed in Body Pit). In an interview with MFKR1, a website dedicated to the early incarnations of Slipknot, he described the band as "a mixture of death metal, 80's thrash and shred with a strong emphasis on hooks". In 2016, Steele made a guest appearance contributing some solos for the debut album by Des Moines-based groove metal band Murder Earth, Waiting (For the End of Man), following the departure of guitarist Ryan Thornton.

Discography

 * with Slipknot
 * Mate. Feed. Kill. Repeat. (1996)
 * .5: The Gray Chapter (2014)
 * with Murder Earth
 * Waiting (For the End of Man) (2016)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peg Kerr

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep -- Francs2000 | Talk 02:30, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Peg_Kerr
This is a vanity page written by one livejournal user for another, as evidenced by reading this blog posting about it. I could easily write myself up as equally sensitive and ambitious. Alterego 22:13, July 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete proof that vanity doesn't absolutely always have to be written by the article subject. Good catch, Alt. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd
 * Keep - I thought it'd be crap too, until I saw that she's published two novels, one of which was nominated for a Mythopoeic Award, pushes her above the line of notability. DS 23:46, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Having two novels published is a claim to notability especially when one was nominated for a reasonably significant award. Article is now in reasonable shape. Capitalistroadster 00:01, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and expand. Appears to be notable. JamesBurns 08:35, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - it may have been started by a friend but that doesn't mean that she doesn't have a reason to be on here. Certainly, it is in need of expansion, but not deletion. Tinderblast 17:37, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - it was started by a fan of the author - but surely that's to be expected? Agree with DS that PK is notable enough to deserve an entry. Zhasper 00:26, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

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Norman Coleman

Norman Coleman may refer to:

 * Norm Coleman (born 1949), United States Senator from Minnesota
 * Norman Jay Coleman (1827 – 1911), United States Secretary of Agriculture under President Grover Cleveland in 1889

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Talk:Dunstan

961
I noticed the date 961, when Dunstan became archbishop of Canterbury, is inconsistent with the article 960. So I checked other websites, but there is no consensus - 1 said 958, 6 said 959, 12 said 960, 5 said 961, and although some left the year out, none said anything like "about 960" - they were all sure. The history of this page is that it was changed from 960 to 961 by "Harry Potter". Art LaPella 22:15, July 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, from the research I just did it seems that most agree that it was 960. The discrepancy it seems comes from the fact that there were a series of either incompetent or somehow shortlived archbishops between 957 and 960, a period where therefore a few sites conted that Dustan exhibited more control and should be called the start of his "reign." I would say though that 960 is the better year to call the official start of his tenure. RShnike 01:27, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I think you mean 960 not 560. Art LaPella 02:13, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah I did changed it thanks.--RShnike 01:37, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

There has been no further comment, so I just changed it to 960. Art LaPella 20:49, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Dunstan was made ABC in 959 and traveled to Rome to recieve the pallium from the Pope the following year. His reign shound be dated from hiss elevation in 959. -- SECisek 00:23, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Popular culture
None of this has anything to do with this article:

--SECisek 22:29, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * In the Dark Horse Comics series Hellboy by Mike Mignola, the legend of St. Dunstan is referenced in the story Box Full of Evil (a two-issue tale included in the graphic novel The Right Hand of Doom). The story is embellished upon so that not only did St. Dunstan pinch the devil's nose with tongs, he also hammered the devil's head on an anvil before sealing him away in a box. A thousand years later, in the present day, the box and its key are recovered by the scam artist Igor Bromhead, who opens it. In doing so he unleashes its captive devil Ualac, a minor demon of Hell who covets Hellboy's Crown of the Apocalypse.
 * In Robertson Davies' novel Fifth Business, at the prompting of his lover, the protagonist changes his name from "Dunstable" to "Dunstan" Ramsay based on the saint's life and personality. Ramsay is meant to personify Saint Dunstan in the novel, especially considering the saint's meeting with the Devil.
 * Manly Wade Wellman often made reference to St. Dunstan in his stories. His occult detective character Judge Pursuivant carried a sword cane with a silver blade forged by the saint.  A later character, John Thunstone, had even closer connections to the character.  The name "Thunstone" was meant to evoke "Dunstan."

 * I don't see why this shouldn't be included in the article. He was a popular saint, and shows up in popular culture. It's not as though this information is particularly more irrelevant than any 'in popular culture' section. It's not a list of miscellaneous items. That said, nothing wrong with making them less lengthy. Thoughts? Geno-Supremo (talk) 16:47, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Catholic Encyclopedia
There are several paragraphs in the body of this article that are reproduced almost verbatium from the public domain Catholic Encyclopedia. This needs to be cleaned up. -- SECisek 03:25, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

 * I have some other material to add and I have to make cites, but it probably getting close to "GA" class. -- SECisek 09:14, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Churches dedicated to St Dunstan
I question the value of this material - listcruft in this article:
 * Saint Dunstan Orthodox Church of Poole, Dorset, UK
 * St Dunstan's, Mayfield
 * St Dunstan's, Stepney
 * St Dunstan-in-the-East, London
 * St Dunstan-in-the-West, London
 * St Dunstan's East Acton, London
 * St. Dunstan's, Auburn, AL
 * St. Dunstan's Church of the Highlands Parish, Shoreline, Washington
 * St. Dunstan's Episcopal Church, Madison
 * St Dunstan's Parish, Fredericton, NB, Canada
 * St Dunstan's, Canterbury, Kent
 * St Dunstan's, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
 * St. Dunstan's Basilica, Charlottetown, PEI, Canada
 * St. Dunstan's Episcopal Church, Waitsfield, VT
 * St. Dunstan's Episcopal Church, Atlanta, GA
 * St. Dunstan's Anglican Church, Camberwell, Victoria, Australia
 * St. Dunstan's Episcopal Church, San Diego, CA

-- SECisek 16:57, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

GA candidate
Really rather more should be included about his artistic activity. Although attributions cannot be firm, the consensus seems to be that he was quite a significant artist, with several surviving manuscript illuminations, including what is probably a selfportrait (kneeling below a large figure of Christ). I've not managed to find a version online, but there should be one somewhere. Johnbod 17:57, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

 * I DID find this image last week, but I was uncertain if it could be used due to C-right issues:

 * I also agree that more could be speculated (with credible citations) about his artistic legacy. That said, I think this article goes into enough detail for GA. When the day comes to take this to FA perhaps that area of his legacy could expanded. Again, I think this is GA.  If I thought it was the best it could be, I would have put up for FA instead.  -- SECisek 18:11, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

 * (edit conflict)Actually I missed the bit I partly did myself, so I think the art is covered ok. This is GA standard, though it would be nice to get the selfportrait. More diversified and modern sources, and some work on the style, would improve it further. Johnbod 18:17, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Further. Well done! - you can use the pic, because under US (and German) law it is public domain because of its age, & WP has its servers in those countries & does not regard UK law as applicable. The bottom is cut off, but I would certainly use it. Are you able to crop to just Dunstan? Johnbod 18:17, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes and yes check back in a few. -- SECisek 18:20, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * That's great. I would make it the main pic, as at the least it is a contemporary portrait, but up to you. It gives a rather different image from the art nouveau one. Johnbod 18:46, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Yes, the info box pic is clearly fanciful, but I am inclined to leave it as is for now. The self portrait I think serves the page best in the context of the article. That said, if somebody else feels strongly about this by all means be bold. -- SECisek 18:53, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

It's always best to upload pics to Commons btw, and include as much detail as possible, so other people can identify & use them. Johnbod 18:56, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Can you point me to details on how to do this? -- SECisek 19:15, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The basics (I don't find their help very helpful):Either pick up Commons from the bottom of the main page, or from the "description page" link on any image file from Commons in an article. Its best to set up an ID, but you can repeat your WP one, & password. Then hit "upload" at left. Any medieval 2-dimensional painting/drawing qualiies for the "painting in PD because of age" licence. add a link to your source & as much detail as possible (within reason). Also try to add Commons categories to the image, so others can find it. It would be good to have the uncropped image there too, so why not practise on that? It should at least go into the C10 illuminated MS category. Johnbod 10:39, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I got it loaded but couldn't find the category you mentioned. It is under cat:saints for now. Oh, if you think this is GA can you score it as such? -- SECisek 11:01, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Search on "illuminated manuscript" & its a sub-cat of that. I have edited the article so can't pass it. No doubt someone will turn up eventually. Johnbod 11:26, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Found the cat. - done! Thanks for the Wikicommons lesson. -- SECisek 11:34, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

GA review
I have taken on Dunstan for review under the Good Article criteria, as nominated on the Good article candidates page by Secisek. You'll be pleased to hear that the article meets none of the quick-fail criteria, so I will shortly be conducting an in-depth review and will post the results below.

Where an article is not an outright pass, but requires relatively minor additional work to be brought up to GA standard, I will normally place it on hold - meaning that editors have around a week to address any issues raised. As a precaution to prevent failure by default should this occur, if editors are likely to be unavailable over the next ten days or so, feel free to leave a message on my talk page so we can arrange a more convenient time for review. Regards, EyeSereneTALK 09:08, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Lets begin the work!!! -- SECisek 18:04, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

GA on hold
I have now reviewed this impressive article under the six Good article criteria, and have commented in detail on each criterion below:

1 Well written FAIL on MoS; see below

1.1 Prose

The prose is generally good, flows logically and is pleasant to read. There are a few parts that might benefit from a minor copyedit to improve the flow (some paragraphs consist of lots of short sentences with no transistions that come across as rather abrupt), but not to the extent of a GA fail.

1.2 Manual of Style

The article complies with the MoS in its style, and is well-wikilinked to add depth. Headings and citations follow the correct format (and templates are use for the references, which although not a GA criteria is a nice extra touch!). Only one minor point here:

* The accepted section order is: Article body; See also; Notes; References; Further reading; External links. The See also section needs relocating to fit this order. ✅

2 Factual accuracy PASS

The article is well cited, and makes good use of reliable secondary sources. I found no evidence of original research.

3 Coverage PASS

The life of St Dunstan is very comprehensively covered, and the article remains focused throughout.

4 Neutrality PASS

The article is written from a neutral point of view, and contains no evidence of bias.

5 Stability PASS

The article history shows no instability or evidence of recent edit-warring.

6 Images FAIL

All images used are appropriately captioned. However:

 * Image:Eadwig.jpg has a depreciated copyright tag that needs to be updated ✅

As a result of the above minor concerns I have placed the article on hold. This gives editors up to a week to address the issues raised (although in some circumstances the hold period can be briefly extended). To help with tracking, editors may like to strike through each comment as it is dealt with, or use the template ✅ after each comment.

Feel free to contact me if you have any questions or are ready for a re-review. In any case I'll check back here in seven days (around 27th August). All the best, EyeSereneTALK 10:15, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Nitpicking:
 * "The king ordered him to leave the court" ... the last king mentioned is Æthelstan, but in fact this happened after Edmund became king.

I looked at it and it SEEMS correct. Dunstan gets almost booted twice: Aethelstan kicks him out (which I beieve is refered to by you. Edmund almost throws him out until he has the incident with the cliff. Are you confused or am I?

 * The section on Eadwig ("Changes in fortune") is misleading regards Edgar (historians are less certain than this article that there was an open revolt...) and fails to mention that "Ethelgive" (Ælfgifu or even Elgiva) became Eadwig's wife.

If you feel you can correct the POV go for it. The material I used is cited. There is no mention in the Eadwig article about his marriage, so I didn't feel it would be worthy of mention in Dunstan's.

 * Dunstan was one of the key figures in C10th Benedictine reforms in England, but the article doesn't bring this out at all.

Perhaps you missed these passages: His work restored monastic life in England and reformed the English Church....Dunstan, now abbot of Glastonbury, went to work at once on the task of reform.[1] He had to re-create monastic life and to rebuild the abbey. He began by establishing Benedictine monasticism at Glastonbury.[6] That the Rule of St. Benedict was the basis of his restoration is not only definitely stated by his first biographer, who knew the Dunstan well, but it is also in accordance with the nature of his first measures as abbot, with the significance of his first buildings, and with the Benedictine leanings of his most prominent disciples.[3] Dunstan's first care was to rebuild the church of St. Peter, rebuild the cloister, and re-establish the monastic enclosure. The secular affairs of the house were committed to his brother; Wulfric, "so that neither himself nor any of the professed monks might break enclosure."[3] A school for the local youth was founded and soon became the most famous of its time in England...The count of Flanders, Arnulf I, received him with honour and lodged him in the Abbey of Mont Blandin, near Ghent.[3] This was one of the centres of the Benedictine revival in that country, and Dunstan was able for the first time to observe the strict observance that had seen its rebirth at Cluny at the beginning of the century...With their aid and with the ready support of King Edgar, Dunstan pushed forward his reforms in the English Church.[1] The monks in his communities were taught to live in a spirit of self-sacrifice, and Dunstan actively enforced the law of celibacy whenever possible.[8] He forbade the practices of simony (selling ecclesiastical offices for money) and ended the custom of clerics appointing relatives to offices under their jurisdiction. Monasteries were built, in some of the great cathedrals, monks took the place of the secular canons; in the rest the canons were obliged to live according to rule.

More?

 * Of course, I may be being too picky. Angus McLellan (Talk) 11:43, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

No, you are not too picky, I hope I have addressed your concerns.

 * I've changed the article slightly regarding Edmund/Athelstan. I will try to go through the article and reference it to, e.g. Lapidge's "Dunstan" in the Blackwell Encyclopedia of Anglo-Saxon England. I'd still like to see more on the Benedictine reforms...I'll see if I can do something there. I think there is stuff in Campbell's Anglo-Saxon State which is relevant, and there are five and a bit pages on Dunstan and monastic reform in Blair's Introduction to Anglo-Saxon England.
 * Stubbs' Memorials of Saint Dunstan, while the documents are in Latin, has a lengthy introduction in English. Rather tatty scans can be downloaded from Gallica (link to download page). On that point, the article doesn't try to explain how we know what we know about Dunstan. A section on the various lives, and other sources, would be useful. I was surprised to find out while googling that there is an Icelandic Dunstan's Saga. But perhaps this kind of thing is for Featured Article Review. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:02, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Are you certain about Edmund sending him away both times? Am I confused? Are these the same event? All other changes are great!!! -- SECisek 14:06, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

 * I fixed that, eventually! The attempted drowning was indeed in the reign of Athelstan. I have Lapidge's "Dunstan" article from the Oxford DNB, and it says: Dunstan came to the attention of King Æthelstan, and became a member of the royal court. At Æthelstan's urging, Dunstan was ordained priest and professed as a monk by his kinsman, Bishop Ælfheah. But Dunstan's membership of the royal court was short-lived: his self-righteous piety so aroused the envy and enmity of his colleagues there (including some of his own kinsmen) that he was thrown into a muddy pool and was lucky to escape with his life.
 * There's lots of interesting stuff in the DNB article. Angus McLellan (Talk) 15:54, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

GA pass
Congratulations on an excellent copyedit on the suggestions provided. I have now passed Dunstan as a Good Article, and listed it as such on the Good Articles page under Philosophy and religion > Religion, mysticism, and mythology > Religious figures and leaders. For the record, Secisek, Angusmclellan and Wassupwestcoast contributed significantly to this GA pass (with five or more major edits in the last 50).

Well done all! EyeSereneTALK 19:37, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

ARTICLE UNCRITICAL OF DUNSTAN'S FLAWS

 * I suggest that there are several failings due to a largely uncritical acceptance of Christian orthodoxy and in particular the Catholic Encyclopedia.
 * Sir Francis Palgrave - an otherwise quite credulous Christian apopolgist- refers to Dunstan as being "partially insane" in that he would see visions that nobody else could & would today be called psychotic- such as the devil laughing at him from the arch of his monastery as he was forced to flee, quite apart from the devil appearing to him disguised as a woman or a wolf or snake.
 * The role of Dunstan and Odo in the persecution of Queen Elgiva is understated. Elgiva was within exactly nine degrees of consanguinity of Edwy, for which reason the marriage was annulled. She was also his foster sister and the sister of Aethelweard the Historian. Edgar also married the daughter of his foster father, Athelstan Half-King, to whom he was related in exactly the same degree. Elgiva was disfigured and sold into slavery in Ireland, where they took pity upon her and she returned to England to find Edwy once more but was ambushed and murdered. edwy died shortly after in circumstances which have never been explained. In the accession of Edgar, Dunstan attained such a position of dominance that he was de facto King of England- which hwe was by heredity as senior direct descendant of King Ethelred I. Given this position it is impossible to believe that the shameful treatment of Edwy and Elgiva were not by his knowledge and consent.
 * Dunstan showed his dominance by refusing to allow King Edgar to be crowned until he had reigned for seven years as penance for murdering his foster brother in order to take his wife- somewhat more serious an offence than Edwy's pecadillo.
 * Dunstan's championing of the Benedictine cause, and celibacy of the priesthood and displacing of married priests, split the country almost to the point of civil war, since armed followers of Bryhtnoth turned out to protect the monasteries in East Anglia.
 * The incidents at Calne and other places were not Witans but Synods and preceding the debacle at Calne, Dunstan had claimed before a hostile audience of priests that a crucifix had spoken in his support and this was a miracle. The priests however exposed this as ventriloquism on Dunstan's part. The meeting at Calne was unusual in that it took place indoors and on an upper storey prompting the suspicion that the collapse was due to Dunstan's men removing the supports, killing several priests in the process.
 * In Dunstan's favour he would have made a better king had he not been a priest. His de facto reign was the high point of Anglo Saxon culture. A campaign of wolf eradication was carried out and in order to stop fights in pubs by men who shared pint pots, Dunstan decreed they should be marked into quarters- thus inventing the gill- which shows a concern for the minutiae of working class life.He was a renowned metal smith and actually made the Crown of England himself (probably not the first as Athelstan had been sent a diadem as a gift and this is referred to in the account of Dunstan's row with Edwy as "lying on the floor"). What happened to it we do not know, but King John lost his baggage in the Wash (not the laundry but... well you know)around 250 years later & it was probably in it. He is one of the most fascinating characters in English history and pivotal in the Anglo Saxon period for good and ill, but I think he deserves a  more rounded assessment than the orthodox hagiography.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Streona (talk • contribs) 15:03, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

 * If you have suitable sources for this, why not write it into the article? There's some interesting stuff here ;) EyeSerene TALK 16:32, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes! Be bold, but please cite any new material. Some of this I was aware of but did not feel it was relevant, some of it adds a welcome POV to the existing material, and some of it is new. Please add and cite! -- SECisek 16:53, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Thanks. I was a bit reluctant to muck up the GA article without some kind of permission. I will have to check the sources to cite them which may take a bit more time (I am impressed the swiftness of your replies)Streona 08:37, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry
Sometime ago I put in ad edit that Dunstan was the grandson of King Ethelred I, which was reverted as I did not source it. Recently I began to work on this point and found that the article with my edit in it was copy & pasted on to Wiki Answers and I cannot remove it.

Basically the argument is thus- Dunstan's uncle is given as Athelm, Archbishop of Canterbury in the Catholic Encyclopaedia, from Vita Dunstani and his father as Heorstan and his other uncle as Alfheah the Bald. The sons of Ethelred were Princes Aethelwald and Aethelhelm. Aethelwald was passed over in favour of his uncle Alfred the Great and fought Alfred's son Edward the Elder in 901. He threw in his lot with the Danes and his son was named after the Danish leader Hastan- in English Heorstan. If Prince Aethelhelm was the same as Athelm, the Archbishop and Heorstan was the same Heorstan as was Dunstan's father, then Dunstan was the grandson of Ethelred's eldest son. Heorstan must have been as popular an English forename as Adolf after WW2, so how many could there have been, especially with uncles- or rther greatuncle's called Aethelhelm ? Athelm is said to have been a monk of Glastonbury, local to Dunstan, but Prince Aethelhelm had a son, Aethelthyrth. However this is not impossible as it seems likely that after the debacle of Aethelwald's rebellion, other family members would take up the cloth to eliminate themselves from the running, until the fuss had died down and then left their vows behind. Before Dunstan's Benedictine reforms clerical vows were very lax and Alfheah himself had a son when Archbishop.

This is important as it gives a new perspective to the career of Dunstan. Quite clearly his ecclesiastical career was very much fast-tracked by his connections and eventually he exercised even greater than Royal authority- regarding Edwy and Edgar. Just who did he think he was? And that is the question- maybe he thought he was the King of England. The identification of Heorstan and Athelm is not confirmed in PASE but it seems suggestive. Whadya think guys? Can we ever be sure? This would also indicate the relationship between Dunstan and Edric of Washington and Athelstan Half-King- the respective foster-parents of Edwy and Edgar. I know that Angus was not impressed with the King Ethelred-King Harold connection, of which I suppose this is a sub department.--Streona (talk) 23:48, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

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Infobox used in this article
I have no idea what the attributes parameter in the Infobox Archbishop of Canterbury is meant to be, but it initially looked to me to be "alt" text for consumption by screen readers. On investigation I discovered that this template doesn't yet support an alt parameter, so I've requested that one be added here. When it is, the present attribute text can easily be copied aross. --Malleus Fatuorum 15:42, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

 * DUH. Attributes is the "symbolism" of the saint. It's the heraldry/icons associated with the saint. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:46, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Is the text correct then? Still seems to me to be "alt" text describing the picture. FYI, I came across this article during a GA Sweepa reassessment; obviously it still meets the GA criteria, and I'll update the article history to say so. --Malleus Fatuorum 15:57, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Honestly, I think so, but am not sure. That sort of information is kinda hard to source, and I'm on the road anyway so my books aren't here with me, so call it good. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:19, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Dunstan and bells
Hi all - while creating the article clock chimes, I found a little cache of Dunstan info in the lovely book Church Bells of England. Full text available on the internet archive - I don't have time to add any here, but perhaps someone else will!

--Vivisel (talk) 23:41, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Dunstan's uncle(s), bishop(s) of Winchester?
This is a relatively minor point but I am confused about Dunstan’s family on his father’s side. In the 3rd sentence of the “Birth” section it states that Dunstan’s "father Heorstan was the brother of Athelm, the bishop of Wells and Winchester". This means of course that Athelm was Dunstan's uncle. Later, under the section “School to the king's court” in the last sentence of the second paragraph, it states that Dunstan “journeyed to Winchester and entered the service of his uncle, Aelfheah, Bishop of Winchester". The wiki entries for these two clearly describes them as two different men. Therefore, it appears that Dunstan had two uncles both of whom served as Bishop of Winchester. However, stating unequivocally that Aelfheah was Dunstan's uncle may be inaccurate because his wiki entry says only that he ". . . MAY have been a relative of Dunstan". Perhaps the confusion comes from the fact that there are different citation for them, Green and Toke. Or what is also very possible: I am missing something. Terence (talk) 16:41, 30 November 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Terence (talk • contribs) 16:36, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * This article relies far too much on old and doubtful sources. Athelm was Archbishop of Canterbury, not Bishop of Winchester. I have corrected Dunstan's birth and relatives based on the most reliable source, the DNB entry for him, but the whole article needs updating. Dudley Miles (talk) 10:06, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 9 February 2022

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Favonian (talk) 18:30, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

– Britannica uses "Saint Dunstan of Canterbury" but MOS:SAINTS says "Saint" is generally not preferred if the title without it is available but otherwise Saint Dunstan of Canterbury can be used. Also I'm not convinced that there's a clear primary topic for just "Dunstan" per views, Dunstanburgh Castle getting 1,188, Chestnut getting 16,604 compared with 2,590 for the saint[].  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 18:05, 9 February 2022 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Dunstan → Dunstan of Canterbury
 * Dunstan (disambiguation) → Dunstan
 * There may very well be no primary topic here, but the numbers being cited here aren't useful for determining that -- it is one thing to argue that, say, the page views of someone named "Bill X" should be considered when looking at a primary topic for "William X," but looking at the entire page views for chestnut as a 1:1 comparison here because there is a Dunstan chestnut is just silly. Likewise for Dunstanburgh Castle, which is on the DAB page in the see also section but isn't a reasonable factor in considering what we should have for the base name Dunstan.--Yaksar (let's chat) 19:49, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Dunstan is clearly the primary topic. A clear indication of this is that most of the entries on the disambig page are named after him and the other ones are all obscure. As Yaksar says, the castle name is a different word. Dudley Miles (talk) 20:40, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. This is the primary topic, per above. He gets 100+ times any of the other actual "Dunstan"s. Johnbod (talk) 01:07, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per above. Srnec (talk) 16:17, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Unreliable sources
This article relies heavily on unreliable sources, especially Toke's 1909 article, and I have marked it accordingly. Dudley Miles (talk) 07:33, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

oritur is possibly orator.
He had gifts in language, such as writing, and could extend to speaking too. Historyghecko (talk) 07:23, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Takizawa Bakin

Untitled
There was a mixup between Bakin's pen name and actual name, which I've fixed. I've also poked a few other bits, but have a question. The ja.wikip page on the hakkenden novel uses the modern 伝 character, but the novel itself uses the old 傳 source, which would be correct when giving the title in japanese? --zippedmartin 22:15, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Solved it by writing an article on the book, and giving both trad and simplified titles. I'd not noticed the 總/総 switch anyway, fonts too small... --zippedmartin 00:03, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Kyokutei or Bakin
I've seen this page been changed back and forth between Kyokutei and Bakin. Various reasons have been given. One in particular was WP:NAMES. However, Kyokutei was not his surname and I have tried to clarify this point. It was Takizawa. Modern scholarship generally refers to him as Takizawa Bakin or more commonly just as Bakin. Kyokutei by itself just does not seem natural. Whatever the argument, I think WP:IAR may be most applicable here. Bendono 14:00, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

 * That MoS section takes pseudonyms into account already: For people who are best known by a pseudonym, they shall be referred to by their pseudonym surname, .... Having said that, I definitely don't feel strong about it; just fixing what was broke (according to the MoS).  If there is a feeling that it ain't broke (despite the MoS), that's a separate matter.  This discussion is a good place to start. Neier 15:19, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as stub, and the rating on other projects was brought up to Stub class. BetacommandBot 21:28, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Kiong te Bakin
A Google search for "Kiong te Bakin" reveals this author has been mentioned in a myriad American newspapers under this name. It's also how I came to be here. Should this be mentioned? I'm not familiar with Japanese customs, so perhaps "kiong te" simply means "the author"? Thanks. – Kerαu noςco pia ◁ gala xies 18:42, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

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James Sinclair (footballer)

James Alexander Sinclair (born 22 October 1987) is an English former footballer who played as a full back or winger.

He played in the Premier League and the UEFA Cup for Bolton Wanderers.

Career
As a schoolboy, Sinclair was both a promising track and field athlete – he came second in the English Schools' championships at 200 metres, won a Scottish decathlon title, and set an under-15 United Kingdom indoor record for the 50 metres – and a prolific goalscorer. He played for Alnwick Town Juniors, Northumberland Boys – for whom he set a schools record, scoring nine goals in a county under-16s match against South Yorkshire – and the youth academies of Sunderland and Newcastle United, prior to signing scholarship forms with Bolton Wanderers in summer 2004.

Bolton Wanderers At 16 he scored on his first team debut in a pre-season friendly game against Sheffield Wednesday F.C, and was then an unused substitute the next day against Inter Milan. He broke his leg the same year, but quickly returned to fitness. During the 2006–07 season, he converted from the role of attacker to right wing back with success. Sinclair agreed his first professional contract shortly before making his first-team debut for Bolton, on 28 April 2007 in the 2–2 Premier League draw away to Chelsea, coming on as a 77th-minute substitute to replace Idan Tal. He drew praise from player-coach Gary Speed both for his play and for his character.

Sinclair also played in the 2007 Peace Cup pre-season tournament, under Sammy Lee's management, He played in every pre-season match for the club that summer as both right back and in midfield. He made his first competitive appearance of the 2007–08 season as a very late substitute in the UEFA Cup group stage away at Red Star Belgrade, in December 2007 as the Wanderers secured a victory. In May 2008 he was offered a new deal to stay at the Reebok Stadium, but was released at the end of the 2008–09 season.

Gateshead F.C. Sinclair joined Conference National side Gateshead on non-contract terms on 26 January 2010, making his debut the same day in a 2–0 defeat to Kettering Town. Sinclair scored his first goal for Gateshead on 9 February against Barrow in the FA Trophy. In May 2010, once his non-contract deal expired Sinclair decided to look at other options abroad.

Sektzia Nes Tziona In October 2010, Sinclair signed for Israeli club Sektzia Nes Tziona. He made his debut on 26 October 2010 against Hapoel Ironi Rishon LeZion in the Toto Cup. He scored his first goal for Nes Tziona on 9 November against Maccabi Ahi Nazareth, also in the Toto Cup. Financial reasons stopped the club from obtaining a longer work visa for Sinclair to carry on playing in Israel

Sevilla FC Puerto Rico In March 2011, Sinclair registered with Sevilla FC Puerto Rico, a sister team of the Spanish club Sevilla FC based in Puerto Rico. The team were playing in the newly created USL Pro league in the United States. However, after the club folded from the league early during the season on he was unable to make an appearance for the club as his Visa wasn't resolved.

Polonia Bytom In July 2011, he joined the Polish club Polonia Bytom on a two-year contract. He made his debut on 31 July 2011, against Warta Poznan. On 29 October 2012, he mutually terminated his contract with the club.

Ljungskile SK In January 2013, he signed a 1-year contract with Swedish Superettan club Ljungskile SK after impressing the coaching staff during his trial period. On 5 September 2013, Sinclair signed a new 1-year extension at Ljungskile SK.

Östersunds FK In January 2015, he joined the Swedish Superettan club Östersund

GAIS In December 2015, he signed a two-year deal with the Superettan club GAIS, based in Gothenburg.

Morecambe Having missed most of the season through injury, Sinclair was released by Morecambe FC at the end of the 2018–19 season.

Oskarshamns On 28 July 2019, Sinclair returned to Sweden to join Division 1 side Oskarshamns on a $2 1/2$-year deal. On 31 January 2021 he announced his retirement on Twitter.

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William Peel (colonial administrator)

Sir William Peel (27 February 1875 – 24 February 1945) was a British colonial administrator who served as Governor of Hong Kong.

Early life
Peel was born in Hexham, Northumberland, England. He was the son of Rev. W. E. Peel of Boston Spa in Yorkshire. He attended Silcoates School and later Queens' College, Cambridge.

Early Colonial Services
He became a cadet in the Colonial Service in British Malaya in 1897 and was soon promoted to Acting District Officer of Nibong Tebal in 1898 and Bukit Mertajam in 1899 and Province Wellesley until 1901. His next appointment as Acting Second Colonial Secretary took him to Singapore in 1902 until his return to Penang in 1905 to serve as Acting Second Magistrate and Coroner. After serving as Acting Auditor in 1908 in Penang, he continued his service in various capacities in the Federated Malay States such as Acting Secretary to the Resident of Selangor in 1909 and Acting District Officer Lower Perak in 1910, before returning to Penang as President of the Municipal Commissioners Penang in 1911. He became Acting Resident Councillor of Penang from (26 February – 5 October 1917). Later, he became president of the municipal commissioners of Singapore in 1918. In 1919, he was appointed as joint passage controller of labour for the Federated Malay States and Straits Settlements in 1920; and chairman of European Unemployment Committee in 1921. In 1922, he became British Adviser for the Government of Kedah. He became Acting Resident Councillor of Penang from 10 May to 9 July 1925. In 1927, he acted as officer administering the government and High Commissioner for the Malay States, having been promoted to be Chief Secretary to Government in 1926.

Governor of Hong Kong
On 9 May 1930, Peel was appointed as Governor of Hong Kong. During his tenure, the telephone system in Hong Kong was automated, and the first permanent flight between China and Hong Kong was established. Also, Peel presided over the construction of a Governor's Retreat in Fanling, in the New Territories.

Peel retired in May 1935.

Personal life
Peel married to Violet Mary Drake, daughter of the late W. D. Laing by whom he had two sons.

Places named after him
Peel Rise in Hong Kong is a hiking trail connecting Aberdeen Reservoir Road and Peak Road. and Peel Avenue in Penang were named after him. In addition, the Violet Peel Health Centre was named after his wife. The Peel Block of King George V School is named after him. Jalan Peel (Peel Road) in Kuala Lumpur was named after him too.

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Luna E-8-5M No. 412

Luna E-8-5M No.412, also known as Luna Ye-8-5M No.412, and sometimes identified by NASA as Luna 1975A, was a Soviet spacecraft which was lost in a launch failure in 1975. It was a 5300 kg Luna E-8-5M spacecraft, the second of three to be launched. It was intended to perform a soft landing on the Moon, collect a sample of lunar soil, and return it to the Earth.

Luna E-8-5M No.412 was launched at 04:04:56 UTC on 16 October 1975 atop a Proton-K 8K78K launch vehicle with a Blok D-1 upper stage, flying from Site 81/23 at the Baikonur Cosmodrome. The Blok D stage experienced a failure of the LOX turbopump and so the probe did not reach orbit. Prior to the release of information about its mission, NASA correctly identified that it had been an attempted sample return mission. They believed that it was intended to land in Mare Crisium, which was the target for both the Luna 23 and Luna 24 missions; which landed a few hundred metres apart. Since its launch was unsuccessful, it was not acknowledged in the Soviet press at the time.

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1955 in Norwegian football

The 1955 season was the 50th season of competitive football in Norway.

Championship final
June 5: Larvik Turn - Fredrikstad 4-2

Group Sørland/Vestland, A2
5. Djerv 1919 14 6 1 7 21-27 13

Play-off Sørland/Vestland
Jerv - Bryne 2-2 (extra time) Bryne - Jerv 2-1 Bryne - Varegg 2-3

Varegg promoted.

Play-off Møre/Trøndelag
Kvik - Kristiansund 4-0 Kristiansund - Kvik 2-1 (agg. 2-5)

Kvik (Trondheim) promoted.

District I
1. Greåker (Promoted) 2. Selbak 3. Lisleby 4. Tune 5. Torp 6. Hafslund 7. Mysen 8. Tistedalen

District II, Group A
1. Drafn (Play-off) 2. Mjøndalen 3. Spartacus 4. Solberg 5. Grüner 6. Jevnaker 7. Stabæk 8. Hard

District II, Group B
1. Aurskog (Play-off) 2. Sagene 3. Aasen 4. Sandaker 5. Steinberg 6. Grue 7. Drammens BK 8. Birkebeineren

District III
1. Hamar IL (Play-off) 2. Vang 3. Gjøvik SK 4. Fremad 5. Mesna 6. Vardal 7. Brumunddal 8. Storhamar

District IV, Group A
1. Sem (Play-off) 2. Borg 3. Storm 4. Brevik 5. Kragerø 6. Holmestrand 7. Borre 8. Stag

District IV, Group B
1. Herkules (Play-off) 2. Skiens BK 3. Urædd 4. Ulefoss 5. Drangedal 6. Rjukan 7. Fossum (Skien) 8. Sp.klubben 31

District V, Group A1 (Aust-Agder)
1. Nedenes (Play-off) 2. Rygene 3. Risør 4. Arendals BK 5. Trauma Lillesand (withdrew)

District V, Group A2 (Vest-Agder)
1. Vigør (Play-off) 2. Mandalskam. 3. Vindbjart 4. Farsund 5. Torridal 6. Lyngdal

District V, group B1 (Rogaland)
1. Varhaug (Promoted) 2. Jarl 3. Klepp 4. Vaulen 5. Egersund 6. Ganddal

District V, Group B2 (Rogaland)
1. Kopervik (Promoted) 2. Buøy 3. Torvastad 4. Haugar 5. Randaberg 6. Sauda

District VI, Group A (Bergen)
1. Fjellkameratene (Play-off) 2. Sandviken 3. Trane 4. Hardy 5. Laksevåg 6. Minde 7. Bergens-Sparta

District VI, Group B (Midthordland)
1. Fana (Play-off) 2. Voss 3. Erdal 4. Ålvik 5. Fyllingen 6. Florvåg 7. Eidsvåg (Åsane)

District VII, Group A (Sunnmøre)
1. Herd (Play-off) 2. Ørsta 3. Aksla 4. Volda 5. Skarbøvik 6. Hovdebygda 7. Spjelkavik 8. Stranda

District VII, Group B (Romsdal)
1. Træff (Play-off) 2. Isfjorden 3. Kleive 4. Eide 5. Åndalsnes 6. Olymp 7. Frode

District VII, Group C (Nordmøre)
1. Braatt (Play-off) 2. Halsa 3. Dahle 4. Enge 5. Sunndal 6. Goma 7. Nordlandet 8. Averøykam.

District VIII, Group A1 (Sør-Trøndelag)
1. Hommelvik (Play-off) 2. Heimdal 3. Flå 4. Steinar 5. Leik 6. Børsa

District VIII, Group A2 (Sør-Trøndelag)
1. Troll (Play-off) 2. Løkken 3. Orkanger 4. Svorkmo 5. Rindal 6. Dalguten

District VIII, Group B (Trondheim og omegn)
1. Wing (Play-off) 2. National 3. Tryggkameratene 4. Trond 5. Ørn (Trondheim) 6. Nidar 7. NTHI Nidelv withdrew

District VIII, Group C (Fosen)
1. Opphaug (Play-off) 2. Stadsbygd 3. Beian 4. Rissa 5. Uthaug Lensvik disqualified

District VIII, Group D (Nord-Trøndelag/Namdal)
1. Stjørdal (Play-off) 2. Malm 3. Nessegutten 4. Namsos 5. Blink 6. Varden (Meråker) 7. Skogn 8. Bangsund

District IX
1. Bodø/Glimt 2. Brønnøysund 3. Saltdalkam. 4. Mo 5. Grand 6. Stålkameratene

District X (Unofficial)
1. Harstad 2. Narvik/Nor 3. Tromsø 4. Mjølner 5. Finnsnes

Play-off District II/III
Drafn - Aurskog 2-2 Aurskog - Hamar 1-2 Hamar - Drafn 1-1

Championship District II
Aurskog - Drafn 3-2

Play-off District IV
Herkules - Sem 1-0 Sem - Herkules 0-1 (agg. 0-2)

Herkules promoted

Play-off District V
Vigør - Nedenes 1-2 Nedenes - Vigør 3-1 (agg. 5-2)

Nedenes promoted.

Championship District V
Varhaug - Kopervik 2-2 Kopervik - Varhaug 0-2 (agg. 2-4) Nedenes - Varhaug 0-5

Play-off District VI
Fana - Fjellkameratene 4-1 Fjellkameratene - Fana 1-3

Fana promoted

Play-off District VII
Træff - Braatt 5-2 Herd - Træff 0-2 Braatt - Herd 4-2

Play-off District VIII
Hommelvik - Stjørdal 1-2 Stjørdal - Wing 1-2 Wing - Hommelvik 1-0

Table
4. Opphaug withdrew

Relegation play-off District IV
Holmestrand-Rjukan 1-3

Holmestrand relegated

National team
Note: Norway's goals first Explanation:
 * F = Friendly

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Charles Villiers

Charles Villiers may refer to:

 * Charles Pelham Villiers (1802–1898), British lawyer and politician
 * Charles Villiers (actor), Australian actor and director
 * Charles Hyde Villiers (1912–1992), British businessman and chairman of British Steel
 * Charles de Villiers (born 1953), South African chess player

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Kaya, South Sudan

Kaya is a city in Central Equatoria, South Sudan.

Location
The city is located in Kimba Payam, Morobo County, Central Equatoria State, in extreme southwestern South Sudan. It is located near the international border with the Republic of Uganda. Kaya is located approximately 78 km, by road, southeast of Yei the nearest large city. This location lies approximately 220 km, by road, south of Juba, the capital of South Sudan and largest city in the country. Kaya sits directly across the border from Oraba, in Uganda.

History
Kaya was a battle scene during the Second Sudanese Civil War and was conquered by the Sudanese People's Liberation Army during Operation Thunderbolt on 10 March 1997.

Foreign help
On October 6, 2017, Uganda pledged to supply power to two South Sudanese border towns as part of the Eastern Africa Power Pool agreement. The agreement calls on all member states to connect electricity to each other. Uganda's energy minister Simon D'Ujanga said "400 kilo-volts of power will be supplied to the towns of Kaya and Nimule to boost socio-economic activities in the border areas".

Demographics
There are no reliable population estimates for the city because:
 * The Second Sudanese Civil War (1983–2005) forced many citizens to flee the city. Since the signing of the Comprehensive Peace Agreement in January 2005, a constant stream of South Sudanese returnees use the city as a transit point to re-enter the country
 * Kaya is a busy commercial center, attracting traders from South Sudan, Uganda and the Democratic Republic of the Congo

Economy
The city's infrastructure was badly damaged during the civil war. However, since the cessation of hostilities in 2005, commercial life is gradually returning to the city. The road between Kaya and Yei was repaired. It was financed by the United Nations Human Settlements Programme and the World Food Program. With those repairs completed, the travel time between Kaya and Yei was reduced from five hours to one. The city is served by a branch of Equity Bank South Sudan Limited.

Points of interest
The following points of interest are found in or near the city:

 * The offices of Kaya City Council
 * The administrative headquarters of Kaya Payam
 * Kaya Central Market
 * A presbyterian church, built in 2003
 * The Kaya HIV/AIDS Health Center - built in 2010 with USAID funds, the center offers counselling testing and treatment
 * The precise tripoint of the international borders of South Sudan, Uganda, and the Democratic Republic of the Congo lies a few kilometres south of Kaya

Tribes in Kaya

 * Irava
 * Mujuru
 * Itori

Common languages spoken in Kaya

 * English
 * Kiswahili
 * Juba Arabic
 * Kakwa
 * Lugbara
 * Pojulu
 * Kuku
 * Mundari
 * Lingala
 * Dinka
 * Nuer
 * Sulk
 * Zande
 * Abukaya
 * Lugand

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Memethics

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete -- Francs2000 | Talk 02:31, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Memethics
Neologism for new philosophy. Google brings up only 19 unique hits for it, none of them including the names of the philosophers who supposedly inspired it. . Willmcw 22:20, July 20, 2005 (UTC) PS The article on Nathan Braun, an activist/writer/philosopher/theologian/ethicist in his mid-20s, was written by the same editor. It says, "He founded memethics, the art and science of analyzing ethical and moral ideas, though it is not an academically-regonized discipline." [sic] If even the editor/subject(?) admits that it is un-"regonized", who are we to change that? -Willmcw 23:12, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

Delete. There is nothing notable or exceptionable about someone inventing a word. The topic itself goes back to Plato. KSchutte 02:20, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Neologism. Kaibabsquirrel 02:32, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

suggest not delete, but limit access to the page. the field will eventually spawn something. might as well keep it in to allow for documentation of the fields growth. (this writer suggest memethics could encompass fields such as racism and other "isms"/humor/hate/love/anthropology/social dynamics/information exchange/...ect)

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Talk:List of NFL champions (1920–1969)

Comments
1935 game reads play at Titan Stadium states the U of Detroit Stadium was the name of the stadium the Lions used. Is Titan stadium a different stadium? Smith03 16:09, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I have no idea either, so I removed the "Titan Stadium" for now. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 17:03, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
 * They are the University of Detroit Titans, so I assume it is the same. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.80.84.247 (talk) 19:18, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

The sporting news complete super bowl book 1995 edition, in which I got some of the information for the records, list the stadium as University of Detroit Stadium. Smith03 19:37, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

The Vikings never won the super bowl, as listed for superbowl IV. The game was not against Cleveland it was against Kansas City and the Vikes lost. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.240.223.12 (talk) 13:38, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

The Vikings won the NFL championship against Cleveland and then went on to lose the SuperBowl to the AFL Champion Kansas City. Why is Green bay winning 11 championships but is listed as 10-2? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.197.66.249 (talk) 00:18, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

This article should be a listing of all NFL Champions. The listing for the 1966-1969 seasons is confusing and incorrect. The game listed is actually the NFL-AFL World Championship Game, which was later renamed the Superbowl. The proper champions (i.e., the Colts for 1968 and the Vikings for 1969) should be listed with who they defeated in the NFL Championship game, and the results of who they played in the Superbowl should be addressed in comments. Also, why is there no listing of Superbowl winners from 1970 to the present? This is supposed to be a complete listing of NFL Champions, and the Superbowl winner since the 1970 NFL-AFL merger IS the NFL Champion. Gregdanielsonjr (talk) 13:15, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

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