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Fred Shero

Frederick Alexander Shero, nicknamed The Fog (October 23, 1925 –November 24, 1990) was a Canadian professional ice hockey player, coach, and general manager. He played for the New York Rangers of the National Hockey League (NHL), but spent most of his playing career in the minor leagues. Following his playing career, Shero spent 13 years coaching in the minor leagues before making it to the NHL. As the head coach of the NHL's Philadelphia Flyers, Shero won the Stanley Cup in 1974 and 1975 and reached the Stanley Cup Finals a third time, in 1976. He also had four consecutive seasons of having a 0.700 or better winning percentage and remains the Flyers all-time leader in coaching victories. Shero controversially left the Flyers following the 1977–78 season to become the head coach of the New York Rangers, whom he led to the Stanley Cup Finals in his first season. He resigned from the Rangers after coaching for less than three seasons. Shero had a unique style of coaching that led to several innovations that are still used today. He was the first coach to hire a full-time assistant coach, employ systems, have his players use in season strength training, study film, and he was one of the first coaches to utilize a morning skate. In 2013 Shero was recognized for his contributions when he was elected to the Hockey Hall of Fame as a builder.

He was known for his enigmatic and introverted personality often appearing or disappearing from a room unnoticed, or being completely lost in thought. He often left philosophical sayings on a chalkboard as a way of provoking thought or as a motivational tool. Prior to game six of the 1974 Stanley Cup Finals, Shero wrote his now famous quote "Win today and we walk together forever" – a statement that continues to be quoted to this day. His son, Ray Shero, also pursued a career in hockey, serving as general manager of the Pittsburgh Penguins (2006–2014) and New Jersey Devils (2015–2020).

Playing career
As a 17-year-old, Shero was signed by the New York Rangers to a professional contract. He spent the first year of his contract in the minors splitting time between the New York Rovers and the Brooklyn Crescents in the Eastern Amateur Hockey League. The following season Shero served in the Royal Canadian Navy during World War II, although he continued to play hockey for the Navy as a member of HMCS Chippawa. Upon returning to the Rangers organization, Shero continued to play in the minors for another two seasons before reaching National Hockey League (NHL). On October 16, 1947, he made his NHL debut at the Montreal Forum against the defending Stanley Cup Champion Montreal Canadiens in the 1947–48 season opener. However, he only played 19 games with the Rangers that year while splitting time with the St. Paul Saints in the United States Hockey League. It was during this time that he would first garner the nickname "The Fog". Although more often associated with his loner personality and propensity for being lost in thought, the nickname actually began during a 1948 game in St. Paul, Minnesota. High humidity on indoor ice surfaces can result in fog. One night in St. Paul the fog was so thick that Shero was the only player who claimed to be able to see the puck thus earning him the name "Freddy the Fog".

The 1948–49 season saw Shero become a regular in the Rangers line up as well as his first NHL post-season action. The following season Shero set career highs in games played, assists, and points, while the Rangers qualified for the post-season in the fourth and final position. Despite being the lowest seeded team, the Rangers made it to the Stanley Cup Finals by upsetting the Montreal Canadiens in the first round. In the Finals the Rangers met up with the Detroit Red Wings, and on April 23, 1950, the Rangers lost game seven in double overtime. It was the last NHL game Shero ever played. On May 14, 1951, the Rangers traded Shero to the American Hockey League's (AHL) Cleveland Barons. Upon his return to the minors Shero enjoyed team success as a player winning back-to-back Calder Cups with the Barons in 1953 and 1954. Shero was also named an AHL Second Team All-Star in 1954. However, he only played one more season with the Barons before moving to the Western Hockey League (WHL) with the Winnipeg Warriors for the 1955–56 season. Shero captained the Warriors to the WHL championship, in his first season with the club. He played with the Warriors again during the 1956–57 season, but moved to the Quebec Hockey League (QHL) where he played for the Shawinigan Cataractes in 1957–58. During the 1957–58 QHL season Shero first began coaching. He served as a player/assistant coach for the Cataracts and helped them capture the QHL championship. He retired from playing in 1958.

Coaching career
After retiring as a player, Shero continued to coach and began a 13-year coaching career in the minor leagues. During his time in the minors, Shero proved to be a winning coach accumulating six first-place finishes, five second-place finishes and twice finishing third in various leagues. He also coached the St. Paul Saints to the IHL championship, The Turner Cup, in 1960 and 1961. In 1964, he coached the St. Paul Rangers to the CPHL championship finals. The following season Shero began his AHL coaching career with the Buffalo Bisons whom he led to a Calder Cup Championship in 1970, while winning the Louis A. R. Pieri Memorial Award as AHL coach of the year. For the 1970–71 season Shero again changed teams this time coaching in the Central Hockey League with the Omaha Knights, winning the league Championship. Although in the Rangers farm system for several years and winning at various levels, Shero was never seriously considered to replace Emile Francis as head coach, due to Shero's perceived alcohol problem and a belief that he was an ineffective communicator.

Philadelphia Flyers (1971–1978)
In 1971 the Philadelphia Flyers were looking for a new coach, and general manager Keith Allen suggested Shero to owner Ed Snider. When asked if he knew Shero, Allen admitted to only knowing him by reputation. He knew Shero always had a winning record, plus he had a "gut feeling" he was the right man for the job. Snider agreed to bring in Shero because he trusted Allen's judgment. Thus Shero became the third coach in Flyers history; he had high hopes for the season, predicting that the Flyers would finish no worse than second in the West Division. The 1971–72 season was disappointing for Shero as the Flyers finished in 5th place in the West with a 26–38–14 record. The Flyers 66 points were actually a decrease of 7 points in the standings and they missed the playoffs for the second time in three years. Shero's "Fog" nickname was also re-established during the year following a game at the Omni Coliseum in Atlanta when he left the arena through a door with no re-entry and became locked outside prior to the post-game press conference. At the press conference no one knew where Shero was and reporters unsuccessfully searched the arena for him.

In the off-season Shero decided that the team would be more successful if he coached them like he had coached his minor league teams. Upon being elevated to the NHL, he had decided not to employ systems like he did in the minors, stating that he had too much respect for NHL players. However, he decided that since he had the same kind of players on the Flyers as he did in the minors, he would use the same systems, becoming the first coach to employ systems. Shero insisted on having a scout for talent in Europe, and the club employed Aggie Kukulowicz who had played in the NHL and spoke Russian and Polish.

In 1972–73 Shero hired Mike Nykoluk as an assistant coach on a one-year tryout basis. Although assistant coaches are common today, Nykoluk was the first full-time assistant coach in the league, and the decision to hire him led to rumors that Shero must not be much of a coach if he needed help. However, with the additional help Shero guided the Flyers to their first winning season in franchise history, and Nykoluk stayed on as assistant throughout Shero's tenure. Prior to a game during the 72–73 season Shero wrote a quote about commitment on the dressing room blackboard, and the team won the game. From then on Shero wrote inspirational quotes prior to games. After finishing second in the West Division they faced off with the Minnesota North Stars whom they defeated 4–2 winning the first playoff series in Flyers history. In the second round the Flyers matched up with the Montreal Canadiens, who defeated Philadelphia 4–1.

Stanley Cup years
The following season Shero led the Flyers to a 50–16–12 record, first place in the Western Division. The 112 point total also placed the Flyers just one point behind the Boston Bruins for first overall in the NHL. It also marked the first time in franchise history that the Flyers posted a winning percentage over .700. The division title and high winning percentage accompanied by a 27-point increase from the previous season led to Shero winning the inaugural Jack Adams Award for coach of the year. In the 1974 playoffs the Flyers' first round match-up was against the Atlanta Flames. Following a game three win in which the Flyers went up 3–0, Shero was involved in an infamous incident. Known for taking late night walks and stopping at local bars and pubs for a drink, Shero decided to go for one of those walks following the game three victory. Though no one knows for sure what happened, Shero was allegedly mugged. Shero didn't divulge any information about what really happened but police responded to a disturbance call at 2 a.m. outside the Flyers hotel. Shero was found with a broken thumb and cuts and bruises to his face. Flyers' management sent him home to recuperate and assistant coach Nykoluk coached the team in the series winning game. In the Semi-final round the Flyers were considered underdogs to the New York Rangers. However, the Flyers had home ice advantage. In the seven game series the home team won every game, giving the Flyers a 4–3 series win. It marked the first time an expansion team defeated an Original Six team in a playoff series. The Flyers advanced to the Stanley Cup Finals where they played the Boston Bruins. Prior to game one Shero devised an unconventional game plan. The Flyers were to dump the puck to Bobby Orr's side of the rink. Orr was considered to be one of the league's best players, and the plan was to make him skate hard back to get the puck. In addition the team was to be physically hard on him. Any player who had the opportunity was to check, bump or put a stick on Orr, in an attempt to wear him down. Bobby Clarke later recalled that the strategy did work although it did take some time. Clarke stated that Orr was the best player on the ice in game five, but in game six Orr wasn't the factor he had been in other games. Going into game six, the Flyers had a chance to win the Stanley Cup. Prior to the game Shero wrote his famous quote "Win today, and we walk together forever" on the dressing room blackboard for inspiration to the players. The quote is still used today. The Flyers went on to win game six and the series, thus becoming the first expansion team to win the Stanley Cup. Following the series Flyers' goaltender Bernie Parent was named Conn Smythe as playoff MVP. During the official presentation Parent was given a new car, which he promptly gave to Shero.

In the 1974–75 season Shero led the Flyers to a 51–18–11 record. They won the newly formed Patrick Division, were first in the new Campbell Conference, and first overall in the NHL. In their opening series the Flyers swept the Toronto Maple Leafs, setting up a semi-final match-up against the New York Islanders. After taking a 3–0 series led, the Flyers lost three straight to set up a deciding seventh game. Before game seven, Shero wrote a quote by Dag Hammarskjöld – "Only he deserves power who every day justifies it." on the blackboard. Though Shero never admitted it, the quote was believed to be directed at centre Rick MacLeish who had underperformed in the series. MacLeish responded and in game seven he registered a hat-trick as the Flyers won the game 4–1. The win set up a Stanley Cup Finals match-up with Buffalo. Shero and the coaching staff again devised a game plan. This time it was to stop Buffalo's French Connection line. The first part of the plan was to keep Sabre's centre Gilbert Perreault out of the middle of the rink and to take away his passing options. The Flyers' centres were instructed to play close to Perreault and be physical against him, to the point where it bordered on a penalty. The second part involved wearing down the French Connection. Shero made numerous line changes to keep fresh players out against the Sabre's trio. A perfect example of this part of the strategy was in game one. The French Connection took a 97-second shift and the Flyers made three line changes during that time. Shero's strategy worked, and the Flyers won their second consecutive Stanley Cup.

In 1975–76 Shero guided the Flyers to a 51–13–16 record highlighted by a 36–2–2 home ice record. Again they won the Patrick division and finished first overall in the Campbell Conference. The season saw the club set franchise records in points and winning percentage. The season also witnessed an exhibition game, that would become one of the most famous games in Flyers history. In 1976 the Soviet Red Army team toured North America and played four games against NHL clubs. On January 11, 1976, the Russians matched up against the Flyers at the Spectrum in Philadelphia. Entering the game the Red Army team was unbeaten, defeating both Boston and the Rangers and registering a tie against the Canadiens. Shero had studied the Soviet style of play, even traveling to the Soviet Union during different off-seasons. Shero even implemented some of the Russian style into his own system, altering it slightly. With his knowledge of the Russian system, Shero devised a game plan. The Russian system involved making several passes often to where a player had just moved from. Shero instructed the Flyers' players not to chase the puck, but rather hold their positions. While in the offensive zone the Flyer forwards were to hold the puck as much as possible to avoid counter-attacks. The Flyers won the game by a final of 4–1 and outshot the Red Army 49–13. The victory led some to see the Flyers as the best team in the world. Following the playoffs that distinction would not last. Bernie Parent had suffered a back injury that limited him to eleven regular season games; he was able to return for the first-round series win versus Toronto. But the pain became too much for Parent to continue to play in subsequent series, and Shero was forced to use his back-up goaltender, Wayne Stephenson. The Flyers were also without second-line centre MacLeish, resulting in a depletion of scoring depth. Despite these setbacks Shero led Philadelphia past Boston in the semi-finals and back to the Stanley Cup Finals. However, the Flyers fell short of winning three straight cups, losing to Montreal in four consecutive games.

In the 1976–77 season the Flyers' win total slipped from 51 to 48, but they still managed a .700 winning percentage. This marked the fourth consecutive year of having a .700 or better win percentage – once again winning their division and finishing first in the Campbell Conference. In the post season the Flyers again reached the semi-finals, but lost to the Bruins in four straight games. The following season the Flyers' record fell to 45–20–15 finishing second to the Islanders in both the division and the Conference. Shero again led the Flyers to the semi-finals, where they lost to the Bruins once more. At the end of the season Shero, who had one more year left on his contract, submitted a letter of resignation stating that the Flyers needed a change whether they realized it or not. Flyers management had previously heard rumors about Shero wanting to leave Philadelphia and re-join the Rangers organization, and refused to accept his letter of resignation. Shero then signed a $250,000, five-year contract with the Rangers to be their new Head Coach and General Manager, believing he no longer had a contractual agreement to the Flyers. A few weeks after signing Shero, the Rangers gave the Flyers their first-round pick in the 1978 draft (Ken Linseman) and cash as compensation, allowing the Rangers to avoid tampering charges.

New York Rangers and beyond
In his first season with the Rangers, Shero led them to a 40–29–11 record – an increase of ten wins over the previous season. The Rangers excelled during the playoffs that year, defeating the Los Angeles Kings in their first round match-up, then knocking off Shero's former club Philadelphia. In the semi-finals the Rangers upset their cross town rival Islanders to reach the Stanley Cup Finals for the first time since 1972. The Rangers matched up against the Montreal Canadiens in the Finals. After upsetting Montreal in game one of the finals, Phil Esposito asked Shero to get the team out of town prior to game two, two nights later. Shero decided against such a move and several Rangers' players were rumored to have "partied hard" following the win. The Rangers took a 2–0 lead in game two before losing the game and eventually the series, 4–1. In the 1979–80 season the Rangers record dipped to 38–32–10, good for fourth place in the Campbell conference. In the playoffs the Rangers defeated the Flames in round one, but lost a playoff rematch to the Flyers, 4–1, in round two. After the season Shero was honored with the Lester Patrick Trophy for his contributions to the growth of hockey in the United States, an award he shared with the "Miracle on Ice" 1980 U.S. Olympic ice hockey Team. The next season the Rangers suffered injuries to key players resulting in a 4–13–3 start. Shero decided to step down from both his positions and was replaced by Craig Patrick.

In 1982, Shero failed in an attempt to become the Detroit Red Wings head coach. A year later he was diagnosed with stomach cancer. He underwent surgery but remained healthy enough to start his new position as color analyst for the New Jersey Devils radio broadcasts. In 1987, Shero decided he wanted to experience coaching in Europe and spent one season coaching the Tilburg Trappers in the Netherlands. He was recommended for the position in Tilburg by Lou Vairo, who had been an assistant coach with the New Jersey Devils.

With his health declining Shero returned to the Flyers' organization as a special assistant in 1989. The reunion was to help him with his medical costs, but it was also something that was very important to Shero on a personal level, as it was a return to the organization he had the most success with. On March 22, 1990, Shero was elected into the Flyers' Hall of Fame. Eight months later on November 24, Shero died at Cooper Hospital in Camden, New Jersey. He was 65.

Shero's passing did not diminish his popularity in Philadelphia and in a 1999 Philadelphia Daily News poll, he was selected as the city's greatest professional coach/manager, beating out other notable coaches such as: Connie Mack of MLB Philadelphia Athletics, Dick Vermeil, and Greasy Neale of the NFL Philadelphia Eagles. In 2010 there was a push to get him elected into the Hockey Hall of Fame, which included an online petition at Flyershistory.net. Shero was eventually elected to the Hockey Hall of Fame as a builder in 2013. He remains the winningest coach in Flyers history with 308 wins, plus 48 more in playoff competition.

Coaching style
Shero's introverted, enigmatic personality had an effect on the way in which he coached players. Shero often communicated with his players by way of notes left in their lockers. When he did talk to them, he was known for never yelling. He believed that when coaches yell they do it for their own sake. He always defended his player whether it was in the press or even against management. He always tried to make sure his players were focused during the game. He often asked them how much time was left in the period to force them to pay attention. He had a unique take on practice as well. If the team was winning then he worked the team hard. If they were losing then there would be a low key practice. He believed that he could get more out of players when they were winning. He often had drills designed to let the players have fun, stating that "Hockey is a child's game played by men. Since it's a child's game it ought to be fun". To have fun the Flyers occasionally had 12-on-12 games with the winning team earning a small monetary reward. He sometimes had the players perform drills that lacked purpose which the team performed until a player questioned the validity of the drill. At that point Shero stopped the drill and praised the player for being alert. Shero was notoriously bad with names. On one occasion it led to him trading for the wrong player. While GM of the Rangers Shero traded for Cam Connor believing it was Colin Campbell. Upon his arrival Connor had to explain that he was a winger and not a defenceman.

Often credited with using fighting and intimidation as a tactic, Shero never coached players to fight. He valued team toughness and insisted that players take the body and follow through with their checks. When it came to fighting Shero was quoted as saying "I swear I have never told a player to attack another player. In fact, I have told my players if they ever hear me saying something like this, they can break a stick over my skull. I ask only that they play aggressively." In an interview in the HBO documentary Broad Street Bullies Shero states that he had a team that liked fighting so he let them fight. Demonstrating his personal coaching philosophy that "You have to learn to win with what you got or you don't win at all."

Shero was an innovator, aside from being the first coach to employ systems, and known as one of the first Western coaches to study Soviet influences, he was the first coach to study film. His son Ray even recalls his father breaking down games from radio broadcasts. He was also the first to have his players use in season strength training, with the use of an Apollo machine, a precursor to Nautilus equipment., as well as one of the first coaches to adopt the morning skate. He was one of the first coaches to have a game plan specifically designed on how to attack opposing teams, although not all of them worked to plan. Bernie Parent recalls a game against Montreal in which Shero decided to outskate the highly skilled Canadiens. After the first period, during which the Flyers' goaltender faced 21 shots, he jokingly summed it up by saying, "the Zamboni didn't even need to resurface the other end of the ice." Yet it illustrates Shero's understanding that he didn't know everything about coaching and his pursuit to learn more.

Personal life
Shero was the son of Russian immigrants who moved to Winnipeg to avoid religious persecution. He was often bullied for being the son of an immigrant and went out of his way to avoid some of the other children in his neighbourhood. Shero credited his childhood experiences as a reason why he tended to be a loner. As a child Shero took up boxing and at age 13 he became a Canadian Bantamweight champion. His success gave him a chance to become a professional boxer, but he decided to play hockey instead. When he signed his first professional contract with the Rangers, his father cautioned him that "hockey players are looking for work when they are 30." When he left Winnipeg's Isaac Newton High School to go off to New York to play for the Rovers, he continued his education in his new surroundings.

In 1957, Shero was introduced to his future wife, Mariette, by his teammate Eddie Johnston in Shawinigan Falls, Quebec. Mariette was the sister of a woman Johnston was dating, at the time. Johnston recalled that Shero told him that he was going to marry Mariette after their first date, which he did shortly thereafter. Fred and Mariette had two sons, Rejean (Ray) and Jean-Paul. Ray Shero also pursued a career in hockey, serving as general manager of the Pittsburgh Penguins (2006–2014) and New Jersey Devils (2015–2020).

Fascinated by the law, Shero contemplated retiring from coaching to attend law school following the Flyers Stanley Cup victory, believing he had nothing left to prove in hockey. Although he remained in coaching he did take a correspondence course in law. Known to spend time at his local library, Shero enjoyed the works of William Shakespeare and Charles Dickens and prided himself for being "the very first New York Ranger ever to hold a New York Public Library card." Among other interests was playing the violin.

Awards and achievements

 * EAHL First All-Star Team (1947)
 * Calder Cup (AHL) Championships (1953, 1954, and 1970)
 * AHL Second All-Star Team (1954)
 * WHL Championship (1956)
 * Turner Cup (IHL) Championships (1960, 1961)
 * Louis A. R. Pieri Memorial Award for AHL Coach of the Year (1970)
 * CHL championship (1971)
 * Stanley Cup championships (1974 and 1975)
 * Jack Adams Award for NHL coach of the year (1974)
 * Lester Patrick Trophy winner (1980)
 * Inducted to the Manitoba Hockey Hall of Fame in 1985
 * Inducted to the Flyers Hall of Fame in 1990
 * Inducted to the Manitoba Sports Hall of Fame and Museum in 1999
 * Inducted to the Philadelphia Sports Hall of Fame in 2008
 * Inducted to the Hockey Hall of Fame in 2013

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Saint-Michel
Lists, Among others, Saint-Michel-de-Laval, a.k.a. "Ville Saint-Michel" Is the above statement correct? as well as Saint-Michel-Nord Does or did such an area accually exist? Two articles are currently linked to it, namely Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel and Viau. Would it really be part of Saint-Michel (Montreal), Quebec? Peter Horn 19:28, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I found this web site Ville Saint-Michel. I guess this answers most of my questions. Peter Horn 02:07, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Meetup/Montreal
For your consideration.... Please pass on to any Montreal Wikis you may be aware off and who are not yet listed as interested, may be interested, or not interested. Peter Horn 16:35, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Bell Centre
FYI - Suspected sock puppets/Joedon123. Skeezix1000 (talk) 11:47, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Terminus Côte-Vertu (AMT)
For the current locations of all of the bus stops see. Ref. no. 1 (no. 2 in the article) is not up to date. The entrance on rue Gohier at the corner of boulevard Côte-Vertu has been eliminated and Q17 on boulevard Décarie at the corner of rue Macdonald has been eliminated as well.

Take a walk around Terminus Côte-Vertu and you'll see that this reference and the note are still relevant. Peter Horn 15:53, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Response
The stops were up to date until today (the addition of 268 to the 17 stop). What I was referring to was the fact that the entrance on the corner of Cote-Vertu and Gohier has been removed.

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Terminus Centre-Ville (AMT)
The route numbers that you assigned do not correspond to the numbers that pop out of the website. Incidentally, the website does provide route maps! Example: 31 Timetable and [31/36 Map]. Please clarify. Peter Horn 20:59, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I was going to tell you that I figured it out myself, but you beat me to it. Only the local lines have a map... Peter Horn 00:45, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Terminus Centre-Ville (AMT)
Talk:Terminus Centre-Ville (AMT) Copy and paste: The Montreal Gazette of Friday Aug 8, 2008 reported that as of Aug 25, 2008 all the route information will be obsolete. Many routes will be sent to Boulevard René Levesque. Peter Horn 00:50, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Alex, Please see Talk:Terminus Centre-Ville (AMT). Peter Horn User talk 23:28, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Laval Metro
For the time being let's leave it. Peter Horn 02:49, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Let's make a == History section == from the time before the actual building was inaugerated. Prior there was a terminal of sorts at the NE corner Henri-Bourassa/Millen, where there is now a small park. Peter Horn 01:18, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Map Peter Horn 01:21, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Would this make sense??
Georges Gagné for CIT Roussillon Peter Horn 01:18, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Montreal suburban public transit
I have created articles for CRT Lanaudière (including details for MRC de L'Assomption and MRC Les Moulins) and CIT La Presqu'Île. For linking to the article, instead of using MRC de L'Assomption please use RTC de la MRC de L'Assomption (Réseau de transport collectif de la MRC de L'Assomption) and for MRC Les Moulins use MRC Les Moulins public transit(Transport en commun de la MRC Les Moulins). The current MRC red link names should only be used for the regions themselves not the public transit systems, which are now correctly titled. Other red links that I have eliminated are for Terminus Repentigny (AMT), Terminus Terrebonne (AMT) and Terminus Saint-Eustache (AMT), which now redirect to paragraphs within the articles on the bus services that use them. If you use the preferred redirect shown here, when the information is spun off to create a free standing article, only the redirect needs to be changed to still lead to the proper place. I think it would also be appropriate to create a similar paragraph for Autopark Georges Gagné within the CIT Roussillon article. -Secondarywaltz (talk) 17:48, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Monk (Montreal Metro)
What is it, is it a rail line, a subway, a bus line?PB666 yap 00:42, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Definitely not a bright question. I left a note on his talk page right beneath your reply to him. Peter Horn 17:18, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

WP:LEAD
(Copy and paste fom my talk page) Peter Horn 01:33, 23 August 2008 (UTC) "The lead should be able to stand alone as a concise overview of the article. It should establish context, explain why the subject is interesting or notable, and summarize the most important points—including any notable controversies that may exist. The emphasis given to material in the lead should roughly reflect its importance to the topic according to reliable, published sources. While consideration should be given to creating interest in reading more of the article, the lead nonetheless must not 'tease' the reader by hinting at—but not explaining—important facts that will appear later in the article. The lead should contain no more than four paragraphs, should be carefully sourced as appropriate, and should be written in a clear, accessible style so as to invite a reading of the full article."PB666 yap 20:57, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

I have appended the lead to add essential information it was lacking. I should also note that the page on the metro green line is also lacking adequate context, so that article was tagged with "too short". WP:NOTDIRECTORY WP:INDISCRIMINATE. In describing a railway station I would think its function comes first, the link you claim was in the article, not. I added it however. This guy should be told to leave Montreal Metro alone, because he does not know what he is talking about. Peter Horn 01:33, 23 August 2008 (UTC) Peter Horn 01:36, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Major changes
Re. As of this coming Monday Terminus Centre-Ville (AMT) as well as Terminus Brossard-Panama (AMT) will have to be revised. Ditto for Central Station (Montreal), Bonaventure (Montreal Metro) and perhaps even Lucien-L'Allier (Montreal Metro). Peter Horn 16:56, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Loose ends
(articles still needed)
 * CIT Chambly-Richelieu-Carignan
 * CIT Haut-Saint-Laurent
 * CIT Le Richelain
 * OMIT Ville de Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu A single-city authority (OMIT)
 * OMIT Ville de Sainte-Julie A single-city authority (OMIT)

The first three of them are each linked to a lot of articles. Peter Horn 17:35, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Intermodal stations on Line 2 and on Deux montagnes line
Bois-Franc (AMT)

Bois-Franc is a commuter rail station on the AMT Deux-Montagnes Line in the Greater Montreal, Quebec, Canada area. The Bois-Franc station was intended to be an intermodal station with the Orange Line which was to be extended to Rue de Salaberry at this end. Bois-Franc is in Fare Zone 2, and currently has 754 parking spaces.

The proposed Salaberry metro station would have been too far from the current Bois-Franc train station to be of intermodal use and the proposed Bois-Franc metro station would have been too far from ether the current Bois-Franc train station or the current Du Ruisseau (AMT) train station but it would rather have been next to the former Monkland Station. Agreed??

Peter Horn 03:02, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Bois-Franc (AMT) and Du Ruisseau (AMT) had already both been revised accordingly. Peter Horn 00:58, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Dangerous user
Hello Keller,

The following user User:Pdeitiker (User talk:Pdeitiker) should be told to stick with biology and leave transportation etc. alone. Agreed? Peter Horn 00:54, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Copy and paste from this dangerous user's talk page:
 * let's go through what a lead is. A lead describes breifly what is in the main article. The previous lead did not, as is true for most of the metro articles. The lead in this article did a green line but not even mention the rapid transit line, and yet it mentioned an art gallery and a balcone that is shut off. Do you go to a rapid transit station to pear over a shut off balcone, to stare at art, or perhaps to 'catch a subway'. I don't know who is writing these rail station pages, but a fundemental read of WP:LEAD is in store for all.PB666 yap 03:17, 23 August 2008 (UTC). When he asks "busiest with what?" He shows the shallowness of his "thinking" (Cows going thru???). He should be stopped ASAP. Peter Horn 01:08, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Did you see what User:Pdeitiker did to Line 1 Green (Montreal Metro)? Do you agree? Peter Horn 15:30, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

STL 902
Hello Keller,

Bois-Franc (AMT) STL 902 is still a "de facto" express in as much as no additional stops have been added in Laval since the STL took over. Peter Horn 20:37, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The STL itself still displays "Express 902" on the route display panel at the front (top) of the buses on the 902 run. I verified that this morning when I saw a 902 bus go by. Peter Horn 14:40, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I know, I removed the word Express back when the AMT let this route go. I assumed that the STL wasn't going to market this as an Express as it clearly isn't

Alex@MTRL (talk) 00:01, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The STL is run by twits who come to work in their own car, ditto for the AMT and the STM. The service on the 902 was never great because the AMT was unable and/or unwilling to synchronise the 902 completely with the train at Bois-Franc in both directions. And then they wonder why the park and ride at Terminus le Carrefour (AMT) is always empty. Another "brilliant" move was to close the Saint-Martin (AMT) station. Peter Horn 00:45, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Question of syntax and/or preference
Alex,

Before I go further ahead, please give me your opinion. Which one of the two versions would you prefer or would either one be equally acceptable?
 * 1) Frontenac is a station on the Montreal Metro rapid transit system in Montreal, Quebec, Canada, operated by the Société de transport de Montréal (STM).
 * 2) Frontenac is a station on the Montreal Metro rapid transit system, operated by the Société de transport de Montréal (STM) in Montreal, Quebec, Canada. (would not appear in main texts.) Peter Horn 15:15, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I would tend to agree. When a metro station has more than two entrances it becomes messy to put all of them in the paragraph after "It is located at Blank ," So lets revise the info box(es), provided they are not protected. Peter Horn 21:35, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Incomplete info
You (Peter Horn) recently added an incomplete and inaccurate table to Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu public transit. You should work on it in your own user sandbox that I created here: User:Peter Horn/sandbox When you have prepared it properly, only then should you move it into the article. -Secondarywaltz (talk) 22:46, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

What, if anything, is wrong with this list?
 * Bus routes
 * Corrected table:

Peter Horn 01:08, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

I left the following note on S's talk page Quote
 * The "offending" list was taken "copy and paste" from

Terminus Centre-Ville (AMT) OMIT Ville de Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu A single-city authority (OMIT

 * Corrected / updated table:

Peter Horn 01:08, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

No "sand box" needed nor required. Make the corrections as need be, but do not just delete. User:Kellergraham had found nothing wrong with it. Peter Horn 23:14, 16 September 2008 (UTC) Unquote Peter Horn 23:48, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * A single-city authority (OMIT

 * Thanks for your input. Peter Horn 13:36, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Île-Bigras Station
I created Île-Bigras (AMT) Station, because it was being consistently removed from articles. -Secondarywaltz (talk) 04:32, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

New AMT Express bus
The AMT has recently put into service a new express from Chevrier Park-n-Ride (AMT) to Nuns' Island via Terminus Brossard-Panama (AMT), but I can't find the details (schedule & route, etc). May be you have better luck. Peter Horn 15:23, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Île-des-Soeurs (AMT) Located where on Nuns' Island? Peter Horn 01:04, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Make that Terminus Île-des-Soeurs Peter Horn 01:16, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

McGill Street
McGill Street & Talk:McGill Street Lets at least make a stub for McGill Street (Montreal) so as to avoid future confusion. Peter Horn 01:32, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Island of Montreal
Hi, Please see Island of Montreal & Talk:Island of Montreal. The same outdated map, or a version thereoff, still "disgraces" many Montreal related articles. Peter Horn 19:52, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Papineau Avenue
Someone threatened to delete Papineau Avenue. I quietly removed. see "2008-10-18T02:20:28" in the revision history. Peter Horn 20:02, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Intercar
Please note the creation of a new article about this bus company. As someone who has a knowledge of transportation in Quebec, I would appreciate any input you could provide.-Secondarywaltz (talk) 16:18, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Siding on the Blainville line an double tracking on the Repentigny-Mascouche line
I recently updated the Blainville line section with the same changes I had made a while ago but you had reversed saying that they we're false. I updated the page's track schematic saying that there is a passing siding between Blainville and Ste-Therese instead of it being single tracked but you said this was false. But that is impossible. I just gave the example on the recent changes of trains 190 and 193 which both leave Blainville and Ste-Therese heading towards each other and they must meet because of their schedule. Train 190 departs Blaiville at 17:00 and arrives at Ste-Therese at 17:17 and train 193 departs Ste-Therese at 17:10 and arrives at Blainville at 17:21. Therefore there must be a passing siding and it's impossible it is only single tracked in that section. You can verify this using a program such as Google Earth. There is a passing siding just north of Chemin de la Cote-St-Louis E.

Secondly, I'm not entirely sure who first put this up on the track schematic but the schematic shows a double track section in between Eastern Junction and the overpass of the Blainville-St-Jerome line. There is in fact two tracks here but the switch at eastern junction does not allow eastbound trains to switch onto the northern track.There is only as switch that allows westbound trains to switch onto the southern track at the point right after the Blainville-St-Jerome line overpass therefore this double track sections seems useless to the AMT and they won't be using it. You can also verify this using a program suck as Google Earth. The only solution to this is for the AMT to build and extra switch to allow eastbound trains to transfer to the northern track but there are no plans in any AMT publications about this. Should this double track section be removed from the schematic since it is unusable by the Repentigny-Maschouche Line until the AMT says otherwise?

Boo2277 (talk) 01:16, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Reply
Well I haven't been up to Ste-Therese in a while either but when I look at that siding and it's configuration, it's looks like an inconvenience because of the switches yet again. It would seem much more logical for the AMT to use the siding further north since the Sicard siding can't be accessed by inbound trains unless they enter Ste-Therese station and then back onto the siding in reverse. I'll have to up to Ste-Therese and check it out. I'm off school now so I should have time to do it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Boo2277 (talk • contribs) 21:59, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

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Longueuil RTL
My French is crap, so I'm not going to get annoyed that my changes to the Longueuil RTL bus routes have been rolled back. I'm interpretting with a probably less than basic knowledge of the language. Anyway, for the sake of being concise, could you list the routes? I see that this is one of your interests, and all of the other MTL area transit providers have these on their pages. Mr. Vitale (talk) 00:26, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

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AMT and STL links on terminus articles
Keller, The AMT and the STL have revised their websites and the references no longer make sense. I have started with Angrignon (Montreal Metro) and have attempted te update the references on some of the termini articles yet a lot is left to be done. Peter Horn User talk 21:25, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

External links to the Société de transport de Laval
Re Bois-Franc (AMT) and all other articles (pages) that have bus links to the Société de transport de Laval let it be known that all external links and reference links need to be updated. Peter Horn User talk 00:09, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Strange civic number
Please see Talk:Bell Centre. Peter Horn User talk 22:06, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Dead links
The Agence métropolitaine de transport and the Société de transport de Laval have revamped their respective websites, leaving a "dog's breakfast" of "dead links" all over the place. Peter Horn User talk 03:12, 26 January 2012 (UTC) Peter Horn User talk 03:13, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
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Western Standard
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Centurion (Captain or Major)
Hello there,

On the Centurion page you say that the rank is the equivalent of a Captain or Major. I would have said they were much more similar to a Higher ranking NCO such as a Sergeant. Or possibly a lower ranking officer such as a Second Lieutenant. As Centurion's were the second lowest ranking officer. Loth 21:36, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, Centurions were just the officer rank - they could command as few as 60 or as many as a few hundred men, depending on what sort of centurion they were. Usually, they comanded between 100 and 300 men, like a Captain or Major today. Geoff NoNick 20:24, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Centurions were suppose to be incharge of a century that was their purpose, the were not suppose to take command of any more, other ranks were reserved for that, such as Senior Centurions, Chief Centurions, Prefects, Tribunes and Legates. A normal Centurion would not usually command more than 120 men (largest size for a century). Then again the Centurion rank was very flexible, Centurions who had been inservice longer outranked newer Centurions this is why i would consider it to be more of a NCO. Only out of their valour have they proved themselves worthy for the position. Loth 23:12, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
 * If they commanded groups of 120, they were analogous to army Captains or Majors who command companies of 120. Also, the rank was just Centurion not Chief Centurion or Senior Centurion - those others were positions assigned based on merit.  As you say, the rank of Centurion was very flexible, which is why even trying to compare it to modern ranks is a dicey prospect at best.   I have to say it's still not clear to me why you see this as being closer to a senior NCO. Geoff NoNick 15:06, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

List of Conflicts in Canada
Thought you might like to know about this page re your trouble with a certain user. 71.198.89.239 06:47, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Way ahead of you - I've got a Request for Checkuser in on him to confirm he's a sockpuppet of WritersCramp. Glad I'm not the only one who thought his reaction odd, though. Thanks, Geoff NoNick 12:40, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Geoff! -- re Railroad Speeds
Thanks for the good information you added to my query on Railroad track speeds on wikipedia:Talk:Rail_transport I appreciate it. Let's hope others add to it and we can eventually develop a good widipedia page on railroad speeds. N2e 05:46, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Toby Young
If Tyoung8 is removing unsourced negative material from this article, that is fine. I think Biographies of living persons trumps Conflict of interest in this case. If you want to retain information in the article, please verify it by citing of reliable sources. Thank you, Kusma (talk) 13:56, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
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Corvette K-225 happens to be one of my favorite WWII movies, hence why I created the redirect in the first place. I note that HMCS Donnacona was renamed to that in 1943, the same year as the film. Do you have any information on whether that is a coincidence or on purpose? Caerwine Caer’s whines 06:19, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Hmmm - that's interesting. I'm afraid that I don't know much about the movie, only the real Donnacona. To the best of my knowledge it's named after the native chief Donnacona. There are a couple of other facilities and a town in the Montreal area named Donnacona, and the Canadian Navy base in Halifax, NS is called Stadacona after another Iroquois chief. I see that the film was shot at HMCS King's, the naval school at the University of King's College; it's possible that some of the officers from the new Donnacona may have convinced the production team to use her name for their fictional ship; I can't see a Hollywood writer coming up with that by himself. Anyway, it sounds like the sort of mystery that will never be solved. Geoff NoNick (talk) 14:52, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Oka Crisis
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Licensing issue
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The article on Lachine, Quebec needs some serious attention
Hi. I noticed you were active on the discussion page for the article on Lachine, QC. I don't know if you've checked it recently, but it's absolutely monstrous. Someone has added quite a few embarrassing paragraphs about the "Lachine military" and the ruin of the "cultural establishments" on Ave. 45 (which apparently consisted of two greasy spoons), and all attempts at editing the article are reverted. Do you think something can be done about this? It is rather sad, especially since almost all other Montreal boroughs have decent encyclopedia-like pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.68.73.125 (talk) 21:34, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Again, the article is being attacked by that maniac; I reverted the changes, but I have a feeling he will resume his vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.68.72.129 (talk) 18:57, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Bruce Poulin
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 * Quite right; I'll make the change. Thanks for the heads-up. Geoff NoNick (talk) 15:44, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Your reversions on "model military man"
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Hi there. Re page move Question : Did the commander RCN lose the CMS title? Previously the title was Commander Maritime Command and Chief of the Maritime Staff, with the latter generally used. Obviously the former changed to Commander RCN, but since you moved Chief of the Maritime Staff to Commander RCN I wondered if the title was simplified and CMS removed. Otherwise I believe the CMS title still applies in precedence as not all maritime staff are RCN staff in the post-1968 unified structure, and the article needs to be moved back to CMS. Cheers, — CharlieEchoTango  — 18:07, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * MARGEN 036-11 (regret I can't find a link to it that's open to the rest of the world, but I'm looking at it now) indicates that the title CMS has been "replaced" by Comd RCN, which is the new combined title for both the Commander of the Command and the institutional head of service. Geoff NoNick (talk) 17:01, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Fair enough then! I have no reason to doubt your word. Are you aware if the same is true for Chief of the Air Staff / Commander RCAF? Cheers, — CharlieEchoTango  — 18:31, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, couldn't say (not disted on the other commands' orders) but I would guess the "Chief of X Staff" titles were all replaced with titles that merge the commander and institutional head - maybe Comd CA and Comd RCAF? Geoff NoNick (talk) 19:37, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

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James Frey

James Christopher Frey (born September 12, 1969) is an American writer and businessman. His first two books, A Million Little Pieces (2003) and My Friend Leonard (2005), were bestsellers marketed as memoirs. Large parts of the stories were later found to be exaggerated or fabricated, sparking a media controversy. His 2008 novel Bright Shiny Morning was also a bestseller.

Frey is the founder and CEO of Full Fathom Five. A transmedia production company, FFF is responsible for the young adult adventure/science fiction series The Lorien Legacies of seven books written by Frey and others, under the collective pen name Pittacus Lore. Frey's first book of the series, I Am Number Four (2010), was made into a feature film by DreamWorks Pictures. He is also the CEO of NYXL, an esports organization based in New York.

Early life
Frey was born in Cleveland, Ohio. He is a Denison University alumnus, a history major from the class of 1992.

Career
Frey wrote the screenplays to the films Kissing a Fool and Sugar: The Fall of the West, the latter of which he also directed. Both were produced in 1998.

Doubleday published A Million Little Pieces in April 2003, which Frey wrote and marketed as a memoir of drug addiction, crime, and an eventual journey to sobriety. Initial reception was mostly positive, with Amazon.com editors selecting it as their favorite book of that year; and Frey followed it up with the sequel My Friend Leonard in 2005. The second book centered on the father-son relationship which Frey formed with his friend Leonard, from the Hazelden addiction treatment program. My Friend Leonard was published in June 2005 by Riverhead and became a bestseller. Significant parts of the two books, initially promoted as factual, later were revealed to have been invented by Frey (see ).

Despite the controversy, Frey signed a new three-book, seven-figure deal in late 2007 with HarperCollins to release his novel Bright Shiny Morning, published May 13, 2008. Bright Shiny Morning appeared on the New York Times bestseller list and received mixed reviews. The  New York Times'  Janet Maslin, who had been one of Frey's detractors, gave the book a rave review.

In 2011, The Final Testament of the Holy Bible, depicted as "the last book of the Bible" was released on Good Friday, April 22, 2011. Frey self-published e-editions of the book. A self-professed atheist, Frey suggested this work has reflected his attempt to write about a god that he "might actually believe in."

In August 2012, Frey published "A Moving Story," chronicling the workplace organizing of a New York moving company, on the website Libcom.

On October 7, 2014, Endgame: The Calling, the first book in a trilogy of novellas by Frey and Nils Johnson-Shelton, was published by HarperCollins. It was turned into an augmented reality game by Google's Niantic Labs, and 20th Century Fox bought the movie rights. The premise of the novella is that aliens created human life on Earth and 12 ancient lines are destined to train a player to fight to the death for the survival of their line once Endgame begins. The book series will have clues, which will lead one lucky winner to a cash prize.

On November 18, 2015, Frey released "Black Knight Decoded," a fictional narrative imagining a conspiracy involving the Black Knight satellite legend. Frey was credited as the writer.

In 2019, Frey came up with the story idea for the film Queen & Slim, which Lena Waithe turned into a screenplay.

Media skepticism
On January 8, 2006, The Smoking Gun website published an article called "A Million Little Lies: Exposing James Frey's Fiction Addiction," alleging that Frey fabricated large parts of his memoirs, including details about his criminal record. One incident in the book that came under particular scrutiny was a 1986 train-automobile collision in St. Joseph Township, Michigan.

The website stated that Frey was never incarcerated and that he had greatly exaggerated the circumstances of a key arrest detailed in the memoir: hitting a police officer with his car, while high on crack, which led to a violent mêlée with multiple officers and an 87-day jail sentence. In the police report that TSG uncovered, Frey was held at a police station for no more than five hours before posting a bond of a few hundred dollars for some minor offenses. The arresting officer, according to TSG, recalled Frey as having been polite and cooperative.

The book's hardcover (Doubleday) and paperback (Anchor Books) publishers initially stood by Frey, but examination of the evidence caused the publishers to alter their stances. As a consequence, the publishers decided to include a publisher's note and an author's note from Frey as disclaimers to be included in future publications.

The Minneapolis Star Tribune had questioned Frey's claims as early as 2003. Frey responded by saying, "I've never denied I've altered small details." In a May 2003 interview, Frey claimed that his publisher had fact-checked his first book.

On January 11, 2006, Frey appeared with his mother on Larry King Live. He defended his work, claiming that all memoirs alter minor details for literary effect. Frey consistently referred to the reality of his addiction, which he said was the principal point of his work. Oprah Winfrey called at the end of the show, defending the essence of Frey's book and the inspiration it provided to her viewers, but said she relied on the publisher to assess the book's authenticity.

Appearance on The Oprah Winfrey Show
On January 26, 2006, as more accusations against the book continued to surface, Winfrey invited Frey onto The Oprah Winfrey Show. She wanted to hear from him directly whether he had lied to her or "simply" embellished minor details, as he had told Larry King. Frey admitted to several of the allegations against him. He acknowledged that The Smoking Gun had been accurate when the website reported that Frey only spent a few hours in jail rather than the 87 days Frey claimed in his memoirs.

Winfrey then brought out Frey's publisher Nan Talese to defend her decision to classify the book as a memoir. Talese admitted that she had done nothing to check the book's veracity, despite the fact that her representatives had assured Winfrey's staff that the book was indeed non-fiction and described it as "brutally honest" in a press release.

Several columnists weighed in on the controversy, including David Carr of the New York Times, New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd, Larry King, and the Washington Post's Richard Cohen.

Aftermath
On January 31, 2006, it was announced that Frey had been dropped by his literary manager, Kassie Evashevski of Brillstein-Grey Entertainment, over matters of trust. In an interview with Publishers Weekly, Evashevski said that she had "never personally seen a media frenzy like this regarding a book before".

On February 1, 2006, Random House published Frey's note to the reader, which was included in later editions of the book. In the note, Frey apologized for fabricating portions of his book. On February 24, Frey's publicist revealed that Penguin imprint Riverhead had dropped out of a two-book, seven-figure deal with Frey. Riverhead previously published Frey's bestselling 2005 book My Friend Leonard.

On September 12, 2006, Frey and publisher Random House reached a tentative legal settlement, whereby readers who felt that they had been defrauded by Frey's A Million Little Pieces would be offered a refund. In order to receive the refund, customers had to submit a proof of purchase such as pieces of the book itself (page 163 from the hardcover or the front cover from the paperback) and complete a sworn statement indicating that they had purchased the book under the assumption that it was a memoir.

On July 28, 2007, at a literary convention in Texas, Nan Talese verbally attacked Oprah for misrepresenting the purpose of the interview on January 26, 2006. Just before air time, both Talese and Frey were told the topic of the show had been changed to "The James Frey Controversy".

On November 2, 2007, the Associated Press published a story about a judgment in favor of readers who felt deceived by Frey's claims of A Million Little Pieces 's being a memoir. Although the publisher, Random House, had set aside $2.35 million for lawsuits, only 1,729 readers came forward to receive a refund for the book. The refund offer was extended to anyone who had purchased the book prior to Frey's disclosing the falsehoods therein. Chicago lawyer Larry D. Drury, who represented the class, received approximately $1.3 million for legal fees, distribution of the legal notice, and charitable donations to three charities, while total claimants' refunds issued to readers came to $27,348. The publisher also agreed to provide a disclosure at the beginning of the book, citing the somewhat fictitious nature of the text.

In May 2009, Vanity Fair reported that Winfrey had called Frey and apologized for the surprise topic change of the January 26, 2006 interview. She made a televised apology in 2011.

Following the events of Frey's Oprah appearance, South Park parodied the scandal surrounding the controversy in the episode "A Million Little Fibers".

Full Fathom Five
In 2009, Frey formed Full Fathom Five, a young adult novel publishing company that aimed to create highly commercial novels like Twilight. In November 2010, controversy arose when a Master of Fine Arts (MFA) student who had been in talks to create content for the company released her extremely limiting contract online. The contract allows Frey license to remove an author from a project at any time, does not require him to give the author credit for his/her work, and only pays a standard advance of $250. A New York magazine article titled "James Frey's Fiction Factory" gave more details about the company, including information about the highly successful Lorien Legacies series, a collaboration between MFA student Jobie Hughes and Frey. The article details how Frey removed Hughes from the project, allegedly during a screaming match between the two authors. In the article, Frey is accused of abusing and using MFA students as cheap labor to churn out commercial young adult books.

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The result of the debate was keep. Sjakkalle (Check!)  09:10, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Reddish Vale Technology College
From the same stable as Stockport cricket club, a school, which - wait for it - has pupils, teachers, and even an email address. Dunc|☺ 20:48, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and Wikify A curate's egg 21:10, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. Ahh the humor from Dunc, good one. It appears poorly written, so at the very least could use a cleanup, but shows no signs of notability. If Brookie (A curate's egg) could provide a reason for the keep vote, I might feel differently, but I see no reason why it should stay. -mysekurity 21:28, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Verifiable school. Can we stop nominating schools now? They all survive VfD. Pburka 21:36, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - notable enough subject, article in need of work without a doubt. Comment: article was very first article created by a new user who, with a bit of encouragement, has actually done some good work on it, albeit with much more to do. Look at the article history to see. It would be a shame to discourage him/her with a deletion unless it was very clearly obvious why. Naturenet | Talk 22:03, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, precedent is that schools are notable. Dcarrano 23:32, July 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, wikipedia should aim for comprehensive coverage of education, as with geography and mineralogy. See also Schools/Arguments. Kappa 23:39, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep per Pburka. Xoloz 09:11, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Shazbot. Gamaliel 15:39, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep per Kappa.  Un focused 17:16, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Fish. As above. --Carnildo 17:58, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * :) We've crossed a new surrealist frontier in voting here.  Xoloz 21:30, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * keep but please cleanup too even though this is not supposed to be a cleanup page Yuckfoo 22:38, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Bicycle as per the existing Wikipedia consensus on these type of articles.  —RaD Man (talk) 02:47, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. just another school. The school has contributed to many childs lives by giving them a good start in their lives with good discipline and educational oppurtunities... Quite the opposite of every other school, right? - Nabla 04:36, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Obvious keep. Nominator should be drawn and quartered. BLANKFAZE | (что??) 02:11, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
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